Last updated2020-05-06T22:41:39



3044 Gracie Knoll, replying to Gracie Knoll, 10, #1 of 243 🔗

I hope the moderator will let me re-post this, my last comment on the previous thread, as one of the first comments on this one. We could all do with some positivity right now and this is one of the most positive things I’ve read –

Charles Eisenstein’s stunning, powerful, deeply moving, and ultimately inspirational essay about this crisis: “THE CORONATION”.

I will link to both written essay and audio version:



Let me add……..

Since this crisis started, a whole series of dominoes has been falling in my mind, almost daily. This time is, I believe, an extraordinary turning-point for humanity, and if we can navigate our way through it without the would-be tyrants succeeding with their power grab, we may emerge with an entirely new (and massively saner) vision for ourselves and our planet.

Here’s one “domino”:

The trigger for the crisis was a DISEASE from CHINA

The CHINESE pictogram for “DISEASE” translates literally into English as “DANGEROUS OPPORTUNITY”.

I’ve been telling my ‘chronic pain’ physio clients this for years. “Mrs. Bloggs, the Chinese word for ‘disease’ means ‘dangerous opportunity’. The ancient Chinese were clever people, they knew that an illness is often an opportunity to fix the things that caused it in the first place.”

Now, suddenly, (and uniquely) we are in a time of global DANGER. But it is also an unprecedented OPPORTUNITY for the whole of humanity to come together and understand the causes of our diseased society, and the diseased worldviews that have helped to create it.

If nothing more, humanity will have learned the priceless value of a hug.

(I’ll post some more thoughts on this from time to time. The moderator is free to kick me off if I’m getting too metaphysical!)

3199 ▶▶ Nigel Baldwin, replying to Gracie Knoll, 1, #2 of 243 🔗

Years ago (it stuck with me) I read somewhere that the Chinese say ‘a crisis is an opportunity on a dangerous wind.’ So much the same as you Gracie, thus this is my endorsement of your post.

3216 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Nigel Baldwin, 1, #3 of 243 🔗

And there behaviour vis a vis the attempted aquisition of foreign companies during this shitshow would bear that out….. 😉

3045 Mark, replying to Mark, 32, #4 of 243 🔗

“The mistakes these liberal policy-makers have made are depressingly familiar to anyone who’s studied the breed: overestimating the ability of the state to solve complicated problems as well as the capacity of state-run agencies to deliver on those solutions; failing to anticipate the unintended consequences of large-scale state interventions; thinking about public policy in terms of moral absolutes rather than trade-offs; chronic fiscal incontinence, with zero inhibitions about adding to the national debt; not trusting in the common sense of ordinary people and believing the only way to get them to avoid risky behaviour is to put strict rules in place and threaten them with fines or imprisonment if they disobey them (and ignoring those rules themselves, obviously); arrogantly assuming that anyone who challenges their policy preferences is either ignorant or evil; never venturing outside their metropolitan echo chambers; citizens of anywhere rather than somewhere… you know the rest. We’ve seen it a hundred times before.”

Spot on, I think. And a number of other zingers in today’s piece, as well.

4060 ▶▶ Nick, replying to Mark, #5 of 243 🔗

I’d add ‘collapsing scientific knowledge into dogma’ and failing to understand that ‘science is believing in expert ignorance’, as Richard Feynman so masterfully put it

3046 Tim, replying to Tim, 13, #6 of 243 🔗

Another excellent read. Thank you so much.

Just listened to the Brendan O’Neill show with Lionel Shriver. She brilliantly articulates everything that is wrong about the Lockdown and the British peoples’ attitude to it. Well worth a listen.


3053 ▶▶ Cbird, replying to Tim, 7, #7 of 243 🔗

Brilliant Toby. Our sanity thanks you. How many hours are there in your day?

3085 ▶▶ Thomas Murphy, replying to Tim, 8, #8 of 243 🔗

I;m listening to the same broadcast. she brilliantly encapsulates everything I have been posting on social media for weeks.

As a middle-aged man who has no respect for Ferguson (heard his doomsday, Leftie scenarios one too many times), I knew exactly how this story would play out … except that I didn’t see the lockdown coming. why should I have done? We have never reacted this way before in the face of a virus which, it turns out, is not as deadly or even as transmissible as we have been told.

To anyone reading this post, I strongly recommend that you click through to the link Tim provided. Lionel Shriver talks for about an hour but she is well worth listening to.

3274 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Tim, 3, #9 of 243 🔗

Brilliant. Risk aversion is the new credo. Emoting has replaced rationality.

4061 ▶▶▶ Nick, replying to wendyk, #10 of 243 🔗

In tandem with the replacement of scientific knowledge by dogma.

3047 Bob, replying to Bob, 1, #11 of 243 🔗

Keep up the excellent work, Toby! Slightly pedantically – the spelling is Staats.

3049 ▶▶ Bob, replying to Bob, #12 of 243 🔗

YouTube already has a handy ‘how to pronounce’ video up!

3048 IanE, 6, #13 of 243 🔗

So true about the sort of advice on offer to government by Lefty advisers.

Perhaps even more significant is what it says about the governments that choose such advisers. If we ever do get a Conservative government, it will be fascinating to see whom they approach for advice. Mind you, I don’t expect to see that issue answered in my lifetime!

3050 Gracie Knoll, replying to Gracie Knoll, 9, #14 of 243 🔗

“Nor do I believe in any of the conspiracy theories linking these public health panjandrums to Bill Gates and Big Pharma and some diabolical plan to vaccinate 7.8 billion people.”

Dr Judy Mikovits would disagree. Another re-post, this one is highly disturbing:


– but as the written intro below the movie suggests, the final outcome of understanding – and rectifying – what appears to be going on behind the scenes, might be hugely positive.

3061 ▶▶ Pebbles, replying to Gracie Knoll, 17, #15 of 243 🔗

The Bill & Melinda Gates foundation has hugely monopolised global health systematically and strategically in the last 10-15 years, ever since he decided to go “philanthropic”. To assume that BG isn’t trying to sway things his way in this Coronavirus crisis is nothing short of naive.
That is not to say he released a virus in order to make money or sell a vaccine, no, it’s about the most cut throat and second wealthiest entrepreneur of all times buying – read: funding – his way into state health systems and ultimately governments worldwide through enormous sponsorship campaigns, overtly and covertly, to influence governmental policies.
He (among others) has short-term as well as long-term agendas and all companies involved in this have the words digital dictatorship written all over them. Everyone needs to get off the “this is a conspiracy theory” crap and simply follow the evidence…

From cut-throat computer entrepreneur to big wise daddy; a report in The Nation:
Short term agenda – monopoly on global health – have a look at Corbett report: https://www.corbettreport.com/gateshealth/
Longterm agenda – ID2020 / a totalitarian state of the world:

Why exactly is the British government flinging about ideas of immunity passports and tracking apps etc…? Because the care about our health and wellbeing…? LMAO.

3159 ▶▶▶ Willow, replying to Pebbles, 15, #16 of 243 🔗

And in case anyone is in any doubt what a digital dictatorship looks like, here is a sneak preview


There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that this is where Gates et. al. intend to drive this pandemic of opportunity if they possibly can. They have been infiltrating global organizations and state governments as well as the charity sector, non profits and academia for at least 2 decades.

The playbook was already written and when Covid19 pressed the start button the machinery ground into action. It’s no coincidence in my view that the response of so many sovereign nation states has been to uniformly and simultaneously construct the infrastructure for the digital dictatorship. Even the language “New normal” is being spoken by almost all Western governments. This kind of homogeneity doesn’t happen by accident. Palantir is now busy building the database for both UK and US. and Onfido is building the immunity passport software also for both countries. I’m certain the UK and US at least will end up joined up.

I believe the new normal they want to usher in is a communist technocracy and we will be very lucky if we can derail the process now it’s underway. I don’t think it’s any accident that Western economies have been thrown under a bus either. Putting half the population on the teat of the state and either destroying or partly nationalising business is creating the perfect environment for a slide into communism.

The suspension of democracy, the abject failure of every single MP to raise even a little finger in protest and the alarming upswing of censorship are not warnings we should ignore. Lifting the lockdown will be a great start but putting a stick in the wheel of what’s being rolled out is a whole other matter.

My conspiracy theory, given that Knut Wittkowski showed China’s epidemic had peaked before lockdown, is that China’s lockdown was theatre through and through. It was fully intended to appear effective and decisive so that the West would follow suit. I don’t think it’s any coincidence at all that most of the pressure to lockdown has come from a largely left wing press. Bill Gates has made no secret of the fact that he thinks both democracy and capitalism are failed ideologies he’s also a fervent admirer of China. I don’t want to even begin to speculate about the origins of the virus, personally it would take a lot to convince me that he was involved in that. But he is definitely involved in rolling out the vaccines, immunity passports, contact tracing (surveillance) and censorship that are being put into place. These are all straight out of the Event 201 playbook. He was a very vocal advocate of the lockdowns that have crashed both the US and UK economies. He also bunged, sorry donated, $100 million to Xi Jinping. Was that the price for the bit of theatre (lockdown) that convinced the West to throw their capitalist economies under a bus and has led to the worst assault on democracy and civil liberties we’ve ever seen in our country? 🤔

3244 ▶▶▶▶ Willow, replying to Willow, 1, #17 of 243 🔗

Oh look, the supreme ruler of the universe wants into education next


3638 ▶▶▶▶ chris c, replying to Willow, #18 of 243 🔗

A couple of articles on this here


3373 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Gracie Knoll, #19 of 243 🔗

It’s been removed. Surprise, surprise …

3051 Mark, replying to Mark, 31, #20 of 243 🔗

“People in Britain are more scared of coronavirus than those in other countries because they care more about their fellow citizens, the first international study into fear of the disease has concluded.

The research carried out by a team from the University of Cambridge found that a British sense of social responsibility was fuelling the highest levels of concerns over the risk posed by Covid-19.”

Don’t believe this for a moment. I mean, I can certainly believe we might nowadays be the most scare-mongered, fearful, cowardly nation of pussies in the world (on this issue at any rate – there’s ample evidence to support that), but I don’t for a moment believe such a cosily convenient, self-aggrandising cover story as the idea that it’s all – or even most – out of noble, altruistic concern for “others”. I know that’s what people are told to say, and often what they do say, and I don’t doubt many might even believe it. We human beings are famously good at deluding ourselves as to our own motivations.

But reality tells me it’s not the case. The constant evidence in the streets of people shrinking away from each other in evident personal fear. The endless fearful nonsense about “keeping safe” and workers insisting they need PPE “to save lives”. The angry confrontations over people getting “too close” that clearly betray actual fear.

Even if we were so absurdly scared over this objectively not very dangerous virus only out of “concern for others”, all that would mean is that the British as a nation are just stupid and grossly misled, rather than stupid and cowardly and grossly misled.

The evidence of this coercive lockdown and the almost universal support for it even as the evidence justifying it goes from non-existent when it was initiated to ever more negative by the day, tells me that either description will do.

3082 ▶▶ ChrisH29, replying to Mark, 20, #21 of 243 🔗

I agree wholeheartedly.

I have noticed on Social Media that there appear to be vast numbers of people who have swallowed the Lockdown-ista propaganda Hook Line and Sinker, forever quoting “You don’t care about lives” or “Lives before money” or some other irrational nonsense. That observation is confirmed by the recent opinion polls concluding that the majority of the country want the lockdown to continue, .

It occurs to me that the majority of these poltroons are below the median age of the UK, 40, and know they are at materially no risk from this disease (how stupid do you have to be not to have gleaned, even if by osmosis that the young are not in danger), the people they are claiming to be protecting are the old since the vast majority of the victims are past retirement age. The truth is that they are suffering from Coronophobia and are only interested in themselves, their concern for the old being slaughtered by this virus is as bogus as Mrs Staat’s fidelity. These Coronaphobics are not endeavouring to protect the lives of those actually at risk, rather they are trying to mitigate the minuscule risk to themselves that they will contract the disease, with not the slightest concern for the cost in money and the lives of others. One work springs to mind – HYPOCRITES

I wonder if anyone would dare conduct a poll of the vulnerable age groups, let’s say everyone over 65 or 70, with the question:

“Which would you rather:
(1) Reduce the risk of you catching Covid-19 by shutting down the economy and harming the economic future of your grand children or
(2) Open it up and accept the consequences”.

I wager there would be an overwhelming majority, near 90%, voting (1)

3111 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to ChrisH29, 4, #22 of 243 🔗

Yes, I agree. I get the impression there’s a lot more real fear of this disease in the younger groups, though there are a fair few nervous oldies about. I suspect your poll would be a lot closer than the general polling anyway.

3117 ▶▶▶ Polemon2, replying to ChrisH29, 11, #23 of 243 🔗

Aged 75, I vote (2)

3191 ▶▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to ChrisH29, 2, #24 of 243 🔗

Change the wording of (1) to Reduce the risk of you catching Covid-19 by spending the rest of your natural life in solitary confinement, shutting down the economy and harming the economic future of your grand children

3623 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to ChrisH29, #25 of 243 🔗

They must all think they’re being so virtuous.
Pass me the sick bag!

3641 ▶▶▶ chris c, replying to ChrisH29, 1, #26 of 243 🔗

They may change their minds too late when they find they can’t get a plumber, electrician, builder, decorator, gardener etc. because they were all driven out of business.

3108 ▶▶ Laura, replying to Mark, 6, #27 of 243 🔗

Agreed – if everything was open tomorrow, people would be “shocked” with how many “fearless” citizens there are…

3119 ▶▶ GetaGrip, replying to Mark, 11, #28 of 243 🔗

If the furlough scheme’s 80% does drop to 60% as suggested in the media, I predict a 25% drop in this ‘level of concern for others’.

3132 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to GetaGrip, 1, #29 of 243 🔗

Following my discussion with my mate the other day, it’s evident they use community mindedness as an excuse – I quote – “but you live in a community” – bit when pressed dissolve into what what they actually think – “Well if anyone I lived with was regularly going outside I’d make them live in the shed”.

3150 ▶▶▶ Csaba, replying to GetaGrip, 4, #30 of 243 🔗

I think that is the exact reason. People can think i can get 80 %for doing nothing then why i would work for 20%. It is bad, isn’t ?

3622 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Mark, #31 of 243 🔗

Spot on. Every time someone walks away from me now, I walk towards them 🙂

3052 Locked down and out, 1, #32 of 243 🔗

Surely, Sander van der Linden is male not female. Sander is a pretty common Dutch male first name!

3054 GLT, 5, #33 of 243 🔗

Thank you, Sue, for your fascinating report on the code behind the ICL model! I know very little about coding and I suspect that our leaders know even less.

3057 Jane in France, replying to Jane in France, 4, #34 of 243 🔗

Piers Corbyn is a lockdown sceptic. In fact, he is a pandemic sceptic. I wonder if Jeremy Corbyn, as Prime Minister, would have listened to his brother and resisted pressure to panic, and what people’s reactions would have been. Alas, we shall never know.

3107 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Jane in France, 2, #35 of 243 🔗

He didn’t pay much attention to the fact that Piers is also a climate skeptic. I think politics would have trumped science on this issue as well.

3135 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to guy153, #36 of 243 🔗

Personally I think Jezza would’ve loved to have the economy (evil evil capitalism) at his beck and call a bit too much and we’d still be in the same situation.

3487 ▶▶▶▶ Fred, replying to Farinances, #37 of 243 🔗

Regardless of Jeremy Corbyn’s personal views, we’ve seen very litle commitment to liberty in the tory, labour, lib dem, snp or green parties. I don’t think there are enough people in politics who care about quaity of life, in any party, for any plausible administration made of members of any current party to have taken a sane anti-lockdown course through this. Whoever was PM, even if it was someone rational, too many in their party and every other party would be pulling toward the lockdown apocalypse.

3059 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 3, #38 of 243 🔗

According to the Daily Mail more people have died from Covid19 than died in the blitz . They probably got this idea for a line of attack from the US media which led the attack on Trump with Covid19 had killed more Americans then the Vietnam war.


Actually the number of UK fatalities from Covid19 occurs every 3 weeks from all cause mortality and on a fun fact note more people died on the roads of Britain during WW2 , probably due to the blackout than actually died during the blitz . Nearly 10,000 were killed in the worst year on the roads 1941.

3137 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Peter Thompson, 2, #39 of 243 🔗

My great grandad used to drive trucks during the war and said it was the most dangerous job you could have. It’s why I’m still much in adiraion of the Queen and her driving job during the war.

3060 Ilma, 4, #40 of 243 🔗

Toby, thank you for your contribution to the GWPF webinar yesterday, it was very interesting. I had hoped the moderator would have highlighted the essence of a question I posed, amongst all the others, which was echoed by some others, and that is why the group of people who can weigh up real world pros & cons to a theoretical hypothesis (such as Ferguson’s model) are never present at the policy table, i.e. ENGINEERs, or in the medical world, practitioners. Would love to see your thoughts on that.

3062 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 15, #41 of 243 🔗

Toby Young, you’re a legend. Thank you once more for your great work.

We may be just starting the second half but I sense that we Lockdown Sceptics have the wind in our sails now …*

(*not sure if this works, being neither a football fan or a sailor, but I’m sure you get the gist of what I’m saying!’

3063 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 9, #42 of 243 🔗

Also, I do hope that you write a book about all this that you mentioned on London Calling.

The following may provide interesting background research on how we got here:

– Scared to Death: From BSE to Global Warming: Why Scares are Costing Us the Earth by Christopher Booker
– Groupthink: A Study in Self Delusion by Christopher Booker (thanks for posting quote from it the other day), and
– How Fear Works: Culture of Fear in the Twenty-First by Frank Furedi

3080 ▶▶ Fiat, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 4, #43 of 243 🔗

Brilliant today, Toby.
Let’s hope this doesn’t go to extra time or penalties. The agony….

3064 Mimi, replying to Mimi, 10, #44 of 243 🔗

Toby, thanks again for curating your special island of sanity! I LOVED your piece in the Spectator this morning! Dear me, the jokes do write themselves, don’t they!

I have been wondering about the role of climate activism in lockdown zealotry. I have a hypothesis. Lots of people have their pet fears – climate change, immigration, overtourism. And they desperately wish those problems would go away, but they are powerless to do much to stop them.

So when a phenomenon comes on the scene that actually allows them to force everyone to stop doing the thing they hate, they jump on it. Climate activists want to end airplane travel (flygskaam) and use of fossil fuels for transportation – well, COVID has granted them that wish! Millions of people would like to see an end to immigration from poor countries into rich ones – hey presto, COVID has closed the borders! Want to visit Venice and actually be able to walk freely? You can’t, but if you could, Venice is delightfully uncrowded!

Anyone who has ever driven in Atlanta has imagined what it would be like without 5 million cars on the highway all at once. Driving there during the COVID shutdown is a literal dream come true.

So I’m not surprised to see that Ferguson has a side motivation (hee hee) that would play toward Thunberg-style climate activism. Keeping the world shut down for the good of the planet is an excellent side benefit, if that’s where your heart lies.

And here’s Johan Giesecke taking down lockdowns in the oh-so-reputable Lancet. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31035-7/fulltext

Also this tube map of Lockdown economics: http://www.infodesigncentral.com/LE_150-20.jpg

3075 ▶▶ maudboggins, replying to Mimi, 6, #45 of 243 🔗

Exactly Mimi. The suggestion that nobody would do things for a political motive under the guise of science or medicine is preposterous and devoid of historic memory…. does anyone recall a little period in history called the Cold War? Scientists, academics and subversives ahoy parading as one thing it wearing red underwear at all times.

This is mankind. Since when did mankind never do anything for political or personal gain that involved insidious methods ? Have we all of a sudden become angels ? Was Blair completely innocent of his filthy untruths over WMD? It seems nowadays nobody screws up or tries to hide anything. Nonsense.

Nothing’s changed. People are still underhand and will try to hide their mess ups. People still want to push their agenda using any means necessary in certain cases. It’s our perception of these things that’s changed and the fact anyone who questions those in authority’s methods is automatically labelled a crackpot conspiracy theorist. Cue people getting away with whatever they like…..

The epitome of counter-productivity….and we will come to regret it if we keep this up.

3093 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Mimi, 9, #46 of 243 🔗

Just quoting the summary in this brilliant,short and straightforward article by Giesecke in the Lancet
“In summary, COVID-19 is a disease that is highly infectious and spreads rapidly through society. It is often quite symptomless and might pass unnoticed, but it also causes severe disease, and even death, in a proportion of the population, and our most important task is not to stop spread, which is all but futile, but to concentrate on giving the unfortunate victims optimal care.”

3120 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Mimi, 1, #47 of 243 🔗

The tube map is wonderful! And highly depressing.

3129 ▶▶ Amy, replying to Mimi, #48 of 243 🔗

Not to mention how excited they must be about the impending meat shortage!

3168 ▶▶▶ Willow, replying to Amy, 1, #49 of 243 🔗

I’m sure Bill Gates is. He’s heavily invested in lab grown meat after all..

3625 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Mimi, #50 of 243 🔗

I love the tube map! A shame “currency” is spelled wrong…

3627 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Jonathan Castro, #51 of 243 🔗

…and passes!

3070 mogg42, replying to mogg42, 3, #52 of 243 🔗

Who did the model for the 6.3 million additional cases of TB and 1.4 million deaths which you seem to accept withtout scepticism? Researchers including those from Imperial!

3122 ▶▶ Caswell Bligh, replying to mogg42, 10, #53 of 243 🔗

The irony was not lost on me: models competing with each other to predict disaster. However, the TB modelling is, I think, based on more straightforward, mundane facts than the Covid one.

It does make me think: if you purport to be modelling the world, and to know the effects of something like a virus, then before you go making policy recommendations like lockdown, shouldn’t you also plot graphs for the other diseases, the effect on the economy, food supply, mental health, etc. etc.? Then a proper reckoning of the various death counts can be drawn up…

For me, it illustrates what scientists are good for, and what they are not. They have no business recommending policy! And even politicians should keep their noses out of people’s real lives as much as possible, for they, too, cannot begin to quantify what their meddling will do.

3071 Old fred, replying to Old fred, 3, #54 of 243 🔗

Not the best of days, media-wise, for Neil Ferguson, it seems. The hatchets are well and truly out everywhere apart from the BBC, of course.

Having worked in a university for many years, I do wonder what the VC and governing body of Imperial College will be making of the current situation re Fergie, particularly in relation to how it affects the university’s international reputation?

Will they be thinking:

a) ‘there is no such thing as bad publicity’ and leave him where he is?

b) promote the guy to get him out of the way?

c) invite him to lunch with the VC (we know what that means – I have seen it happen more than once)?

d) something else?

In view of the onslaught he is currently undergoing Ferguson could decide to escape by joining the Bill Gates Foundation (or similar), (on big bucks, no doubt), but whether Gates would want ‘soiled goods’ may now be an issue.

Any views?

3077 ▶▶ maudboggins, replying to Old fred, 1, #55 of 243 🔗

How could Gates be worried by soiled goods when he’s in bed with the Deputy Vaccine Antichrist himself, Anthony Fauci?

Bit late for that now !

3089 ▶▶ ChrisH29, replying to Old fred, 6, #56 of 243 🔗

I think the evisceration of Ferguson’s model, linked to in this article should be sufficient for Imperial and everywhere else to wash their hands of him.
Moreover, I would not advise any of his Post-Grads to put him on their CV when moving on. They’d be better off putting the 3 year gap in the resumé as “doing a spot of bird in The Scrubs for selling weed” than mentioning the Harbinger of Hell.

3105 ▶▶▶ Old fred, replying to ChrisH29, 2, #57 of 243 🔗

The post just now by ChrisH29 listing what Imperial has received from Bill Gates means my questions are irrelevant as IC seems to a subsidiary of the BG Foundation. Nuff said.

3256 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Old fred, #58 of 243 🔗

Perhaps a ‘sabbatical’ with the WHO?

3072 Andy, replying to Andy, 4, #59 of 243 🔗

The man is scum but the idiots are the ones that listen to him without having different views from other scientists. If the government do not dismiss him immediately then god help us all. My question is why are our doctors so quiet when doctors from all over the world are speaking out against this massive scam.
All watch plandemicthemovie.com

3078 ▶▶ maudboggins, replying to Andy, 1, #60 of 243 🔗

Totally true whoever you are. Bang on.

More please …..

3128 ▶▶ GetaGrip, replying to Andy, 15, #61 of 243 🔗

As a doctor I’m disappointed to inform you that almost all my medical colleagues are lockdown enthusiasts.
My theory is simply that this is due to having a world view focused entirely through a medical prism, and the kind of ignorance and disinterest in wider economic realities which only well paid public sector employees with unmatched job security and superannuated pensions can afford.
Oh, and that Thursday evening clapping adulation thing doesn’t exactly encourage any dissent from medical Groupthink.

3165 ▶▶▶ Mimi, replying to GetaGrip, 4, #62 of 243 🔗

A number of doctors in the U.S. think the lockdown is BS. A number of them are also currently furloughed, which probably helps, but not all. They just keep their heads down to avoid offending – doctors generally being good at following rules and not interested in political action.

3205 ▶▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to GetaGrip, 5, #63 of 243 🔗

As a doctor myself I would agree there is a certain groupthink and I thought better of replying to a group letter from a colleague on the LMC extolling the virutes of the lockdown in bringing the hospital death toll down. However I do detect murmurred scepticism as well. as a rule of thumb the younger and less experienced the medic the greater the enthousiasm for the lockdown.

3368 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to GetaGrip, #64 of 243 🔗

Their pensions won’t be worth anything shortly …

3073 AntisepticSkeptic, replying to AntisepticSkeptic, 8, #65 of 243 🔗

First off, I believe matters pertaining to this shutdown transcends the political spectrum.

I’m left of centre; and I fervently oppose this shutdown.

Please, can someone explain to me how supporting a shutdown of livelihoods and freedoms is at all left of centre? Authoritarianism is not left of centre. It is right of centre. I’m surrounded by people who lean so far to the right they’re grazing their shoulder on the ground, and these people are the most fearful. Supporting government involvement in our lives is not left of centre.

Can someone please shed some light on this endless, deplorable obsession with left and right in relation to this shutdown? Because, quite obviously, I’m not understanding it.

3083 ▶▶ Fiat, replying to AntisepticSkeptic, 15, #66 of 243 🔗

I hope what unites us here is a love of freedom, a healthy skepticism of authority and plain common sense.

3086 ▶▶▶ AntisepticSkeptic, replying to Fiat, 2, #67 of 243 🔗


3084 ▶▶ ChrisH29, replying to AntisepticSkeptic, 10, #68 of 243 🔗

In extremis there is but a fag paper between Left and Right, they’re both tyrannical nightmares.

3100 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to AntisepticSkeptic, 6, #69 of 243 🔗

As I’ve said before, I think a much more useful analysis would be social class and age, I think that’d tell us a lot, I think it’s a posh panic by those who can afford to panic as they are cushioned, and those perhaps insulated from the harsher of some of life’s realities. I mean if you drive a van for amazon on zero hours, how is your life any different really? Feel any safer?

3103 ▶▶ Mark, replying to AntisepticSkeptic, 2, #70 of 243 🔗

According to this Atlantic article, there is a clear left/right divide in the US, with Democrats seeking to play up the covid threat and Republicans to play it down:
That gibes with my own impressions, that leftists tend to like it because it plays into their general enthusiasm for big government, collective healthcare, social solidarity etc. That was also suggested by a US study Toby linked to last Saturday:
I don’t think it’s as easy to do that kind of study here because there is less dissent generally. But I still think there is a leaning to the right in the resistance here, it’s just that it is suppressed a bit by the fact that we have a “Conservative” Party government in charge at the moment, so there’s a degree of suspension of dissent for partisan reasons.
Left libertarians tend to balk at the liberty crushing aspects but they most likely still feel a bit warm and fuzzy about the other aspects despite those concerns.

3121 ▶▶▶ AntisepticSkeptic, replying to Mark, 4, #71 of 243 🔗

Good article. There is certainly something to be said for the epicenter location and attitudes towards the virus, especially given the fact republicans obsess over firearms and protection. Perhaps they’d feel differently if it was on their doorstep, perhaps not.

Anyway, right and left are amorphous labels of entirely questionable utility. Surely, only a moron could categorise every single one of their beliefs at one end of the spectrum. Sod absolutes!

Whatever the political position is, I don’t care. I’m anti-lockdown, and I want a pint of cask ale with my chums.

Great work on here.

3134 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to AntisepticSkeptic, 1, #72 of 243 🔗

I agree, anti-lockdown is what matters.

The labels are useful, but as you rightly say, only up to a point, they’re just generalisations after all. It’s a bit like when I was dissenting over the Iraq war back in 2002/3, the government label rather confused the opposition to the war because normally conservatives quite like a good war, are more likely to be pro-US, and are very easily persuaded that an Arab dictator is a legitimate target, whereas leftists are harder to persuade on all three (not left-labelled governments – they warmonger with the best of them, Harold Wilson aside, from Wilson, FDR and Johnson in the US to Blair in the UK, but actual leftie voters).

In the end the leaderships of both parties pushed the war, shamefully for all concerned, and I had to rub shoulders with a lot of mostly perfectly decent lefties in the only political demo I ever went on in my life (conservatives don’t do demonstrations, generally). Mind you, the utter ineffectiveness of that demo rather confirmed my prejudice against demonstrating in general.

3145 ▶▶▶▶▶ AntisepticSkeptic, replying to Mark, 5, #73 of 243 🔗

My first comment on this website was concerning my desire to protest publicly against this lockdown, though I don’t have a propensity for activism. No doubt such a protest would involve me rubbing shoulders with people whose opinions I disagree with. So long as they are reasonable, what matters eh?

This site has been terrific for rational conversation, and hasn’t at all stooped to ranting quarrels.

3115 ▶▶ Mimi, replying to AntisepticSkeptic, 7, #74 of 243 🔗

IDK, maybe this is changing alignments. I thought of myself as pretty much on the left in the U.S., sort of by default. I’ve found most Republican rhetoric pretty repugnant for the past couple of decades, and was appalled when Trump was elected. I don’t love all of the Democratic platform, though. I’ve often wished for a party that split the difference – socially liberal but fiscally conservative. Maybe that’s libertarian now, but they’re mostly a fringe element here.

The people who most passionately own their Democratic allegiance seem to be the most dogmatic lockdown zealots. They’re the ones who immediately dismiss any contrary story as “not news.”

This experience is giving me an appreciation for Tucker Carlson, of all people, and has actually had me saying “Thank god for Fox News.”

And it’s not just me. My husband and sister and her husband, too. We have science degrees (actual science, not the kind you “follow”) and have never seen why people are getting excited about the numbers of cases/deaths or the way they’ve been portrayed. It seems that the NYT, the Post, and CNN are just plain lying. They are engaging in advocacy of a specific viewpoint re COVID, and they’re blatantly ignoring any contrary evidence, of which there is much!

Sooo…. though I can’t see myself ever voting for the Donald, I now feel grateful to live in a Red state. At least we now have some restaurants open, though they’re so packed you can’t get in.

3118 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mimi, #75 of 243 🔗

I agree about Tucker Carlson, he was great I remember back during the Republican Presidential nomination campaign. He’s quite bright and unusually freethinking for a political commentator I think.

“socially liberal but fiscally conservative”

Yes, that was the Libertarian Party, back in the day. but as you say, they aren’t going to win any elections.

3123 ▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to Mimi, 10, #76 of 243 🔗

I’m the same, but with Brexit, then the appalling performance of Labour activists during the election just trying to ‘cancel’ everyone, like some kind of mob (ditto the fringe loonie Brexiteers, I think Nigel Farage should be fired into outerspace along with Momentum, all crack pots), and then this, I came to be just grateful for what an unlikely but rather miraculous thing democracy and civil debate can be, and how grateful I felt for decent, honorable, honest, well reasoned views, how we need that debate, and middle ground and give and take, and respect for other views. I think our political class on both sides been taking the p*ss out of the social contract for quite some time, and all that upheaval made me realise we shouldn’t take it for granted, it’s more fragile than we think.

In short, I realised I needed to grow up, and accept I might passionately feel this, that didn’t negate someone else’s right to passionately feel something else. And how disagreement is important and good, as is listening, it’s how we solve problems. It’s the dogmatism (whatever the issue) I can’t bear. I’ve never voted Tory in my life (then again as part of the above, I admit I didn’t really know what being a tory even meant, just that they were the ‘wrong’ team, when I was a student Thatcher was just the devil, that was just a fact), but all this ‘never kissed a Tory’ stuff is just stupid, I know loads of lovely tories, they just have about a 5% different view on tax and spending than I do, they’re not frothing monsters, they just have a world view, that they’ve really thought about, and it’s sincere and held with integrity, who am I to roar they are WRONG, or heartless, it’s just stupid. Ditto Brexit, big mistake in my view, but the whole debacle of remain really made me think, I don’t care how passionately you believe something, no need to utterly denigrate people.

This lockdown stuff, it’s a kind of identity politics, a tribal thing, like football hooligans, it’s perfectly possible to say, ‘well I agree with you there, but have you thought about this’ or indeed to think ‘well is that true?’ but we simply can’t seem to have that conversation. It seems to be ‘team save lives’ or ‘team economy’ with no awareness that those on the notional ‘team economy’ have kids, and grannies and loved ones, and health issues. I shared an article by Lord Sumption the other day, ex supreme court judge, very erudite and respected man, and people wouldn’t read it because it was in the Mail, and therefore was already contaminated with ‘wrong’ before the ink was even dry. It’s really maddening.

That probably didn’t make any sense, ^^^^^^ that is the inside of my head 🙂

3136 ▶▶▶▶ AntisepticSkeptic, replying to BecJT, 10, #77 of 243 🔗

I believe all of Sumption’s commentary on this has been exceptional.

Also, I don’t have anyone in my life I agree with completely. And I have many people in my life.

3139 ▶▶▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to AntisepticSkeptic, 2, #78 of 243 🔗

Exactly, so do I, but I’ve had lots of conversations with friends about how they vote, or what “team” they are on about various issues, it’s amazing how much of it isn’t really what they believe, but they’ve sort of arrived at that ‘team’ because they are the ‘good’ team, it’s more emotional, or tribal than actually considered. Then lockdown came along, and I realise I’ve how far I’ve moved away from things I just reflexively accepted as ‘right’ or ‘true’. (which is why I’m not explaining it very well, still figuring it out).

3147 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to BecJT, 1, #79 of 243 🔗

In case you haven’t seen it, this is quite a good book on the general issue of to what extent our moral judgements are preset to put us in one team or the other, and how much we can overcome that:

3371 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, #80 of 243 🔗

Or ‘Groupthink’ by the late Christopher Booker.

3149 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AntisepticSkeptic, replying to BecJT, 4, #81 of 243 🔗

I’m disappointed with some of my friends currently too. They are just not interested in flexing their questioning muscle. I didn’t mind providing articles and data, and some sensible analysis, but it proved useless, because they can’t get over that first hurdle of skepticism. They trust the government and its advisors unequivocally. So, I’ve stopped providing information. No doubt there will be some exchanges in the pub about it all later, of which will consist of, I believe, me bragging about being correct! – hopefully. That relies on this all being exposed as a giant farce, of course.

3160 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Gracie Knoll, replying to AntisepticSkeptic, 1, #82 of 243 🔗

It will also depend on whether there are any pubs left open and viable after all this lot. If there are, you may have to produce your Orwellian tracking device to get in, and a sign on the wall will remind you that “all conversation is monitored and recorded by HM Government.” Best to just talk about football. (If that’s still happening.)

3318 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Annabel Andrew, replying to AntisepticSkeptic, 11, #83 of 243 🔗

I don’t think that there is any doubt at all about this being a giant farce- the biggest farce is that HMG have not looked at any of the blindingly obvious results of leading scientists worldwide. They insist on pumping out inflated numbers and then Facebook is full of people sharing and insisting that we all stay in for another hundred years or so. I have never felt so desperate or helpless in my life.

3483 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Annabel Andrew, 1, #84 of 243 🔗

Ditto. And why do they keep pushing the ‘announcements’ along a few days every time? After the first three-week lockdown, they pushed it on to the Thursday and now they’ve pushed it along until the Sunday. I have e-mailed my MP imploring the government to lift this insane lockdown. Why can’t they treat us like adults? And has someone done some ‘modelling’ to determine at what point the people are going to rebel?

3522 ▶▶ OpenCorona, replying to AntisepticSkeptic, #85 of 243 🔗

In the US at least, the breakdown is hard left vs. right for the zealots vs. skeptics. Unfortunately this has been conflated with support or hatred for the President. Politics should never have had anything to do with this.

I firmly believe zealots in the US are towing the party line because they dislike the President. That matter plus their personal investment in the lockdown and propensity for virtue signaling results in an almost unbeatable wall of zealotry. These are intelligent, educated people who believe this because they wouldn’t even consider questioning it let alone be open-minded.

3079 BTLnewbie, 8, #86 of 243 🔗

Excellent as ever – thanks Toby – and from a fellow ‘R’s supporter to boot 🙂

It seems to me that things are starting to unblock – on my (wholly unnecessary) trip to my local town today, it was evident that there were far more people about (and no social distancing at the local carwash).
The Swedish advice on social distancing is spot-on – I’ve been advising one local organisation not to include reference to SD in their advice to members as to when they can reopen, as the Gov’t will create face-saving Rules which will be honoured only in the breach.

Keep on keeping on!

PS – Here’s a Latin tag for Boris: Tacitus (on the Roman subjugation of the Scots):
“Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant” – “where they create devastation (this also translates as isolation), they call it peace”.

3081 Jerry Nerts, replying to Jerry Nerts, 3, #87 of 243 🔗

It’s trivial, but I am very glad Matt Ridley is a fellow skeptic. Always seemed like a dependable chap.

3130 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Jerry Nerts, 5, #88 of 243 🔗

But I was stunned (and saddened) to discover that Melanie Philips is a lockdownista. Quite extraordinary – perhaps she has a crush on Boris [there is, after all, no accounting for taste!].

3087 maudboggins, replying to maudboggins, 16, #89 of 243 🔗


Toby… as you know and as I have told you you are my favourite lockdown crusader extraordinaire….

But I’m afraid your point re Gates being the benevolent altruistic Saviour not wanting to vaccinate 7.8 billion people…is ….. incorrect.

The little darling openly states that IS his intention on his blog…which reads:

‘We need to manufacture and distribute at least 7 billion doses of the vaccine.’

Here’s the link to his blog and that article as I am sure you want to be as informed as you can:


And no the Russians didn’t create the page. Nor did aliens or Paddington Bear. It’s quite real.

Readers may wish to keep up with Gates’ musings of global medical megalomania…whilst he proffers himself as the man about to save the world he also openly admits there are too many people in it, along with his weaselly bum-pal Antony Fauci.

Please all watch


Before it mysteriously gets taken down (again) by Stasi-Tube. It’s 26 minutes but have a G&T while you’re watching ……

We are sadly and dangerously getting to a stage now where rigorous and legitimate information is being totally ignored by highly intelligent people on the basis that it may be a “conspiracy theory”, which they are ridiculed for believing so avoid to save face, and which in turn perversely allows those who wish to act in an underhand manner the absolute clear run to get on with it. Reverse psychology at its best. This judgementalism must stop and we all need to ask one simple question ; is what the person is saying true? It doesn’t matter a toss whether it doesn’t fit with the narrative we seek. The point is the truth not the political standing or even past history of the speaker …. as Toby’s own “Offence Archaeologists” point duly illustrates.

Since when did mankind not act in an underhand way in certain circles? Since when did mankind not remove certain members of society who got in the way of what they wanted? From Rome to Henry VIII’s court the gerrymandering of facts and figures and creation of hideous lies has been a part of our entire being. This is how empires were built and destroyed in equal measure, but then you all know this….

As for the trail for this BS…it’s easier to follow than a freshly laid drag hunt by the Beaufort…anyone who wants the flow chart of brown envelopes should contact me directly. Unless Toby posts it here at some point.

If this kind of stuff existed in a planning application the public and local authorities would be all over it. If it existed with oil company lobbying for fracking sites the same would apply. So why don’t we issues the same suspicion and scrutiny to Gates? Because we’ve been made to feel stupid for doing it.

Recall the Big Lie, create a lie so bizarre sounding that people will just stand there and say, “Nooooo? They wouldn’t be so brazen or ridiculous to do THAT would they?”, Hitler, blaming Jews….remember? This was also a World War Two intelligence tactic favoured by the British … and we succeeded in many operations because of such ruses.

Whitty’s department received funding from Gates. So did Fergusons. Nobody’s saying they’ve been eating babies in a ritualistic Satanic cult..just that they have questions to answer, hideous conflicts of interests and a whole lot of a stench around them. And to believe they are all well-intentioned hapless buffoons is denying the human condition, which can be most unpleasant, as any history book will tell us. Sometimes incompetence is accompanied by an intention that’s unplesant and self-serving.

I guess anyone who’s come close to this stuff and experiences it for themselves is more likely to believe it goes on.

Enough said. But do think on it all.

3094 ▶▶ ChrisH29, replying to maudboggins, 12, #90 of 243 🔗

I for one would like the flow chart.
For the sake of completeness it is worth noting that Gates has paid the following to Imperial:
2020 $ 79,006,570
2019 $ 2,646,785
2018 $ 2,696,803
2017 $ 3,448,111
2016 $ 48,046,547
2015 $ 17,710,069
2014 $ 391,988
2013 $ 14,518,642
2012 $ 7,741,002
2011 $ 2,924,038
2010 $ 7,385,664
2009 and prior $102,266,365

3213 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to ChrisH29, 3, #91 of 243 🔗

YES. As far as I’m concerned “follow the money” is the most modern manifestation of Occam’s Razor.

3427 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Farinances, #92 of 243 🔗

‘cui bono ?’ preceded Occam, yes ?

3096 guy153, 2, #93 of 243 🔗

It’s interesting how people’s political starting point influences their interpretation of this!

Some of us see in the lockdown the continuation of a pattern that started last year with the B word: that this government is defined by its willingness to crash the economy in return for popularity.

Although many people do believe that Brexit is a good thing and I respect those views, I don’t think Johnson ever believed that any more than he paid any attention to Ferguson or his bad science.

Of course Ferguson and his girlfriend are awful lefties with everything that implies (and your rant is spot on) but don’t tell me he was anything other than a prop in this. He was the justification for a populist lockdown and subsequently for the claim that Johnson saved half a million lives. I’m sure they made it worth his while.

3097 Gracie Knoll, 4, #94 of 243 🔗

Earlier I mentioned my “falling dominoes”.

Time for another one.

This has long been one of my favourite poems, and I wasn’t sure why it resonated with me so much. But a few weeks into this crisis it hit me with full force.

It could almost have been written for THIS very point in human history, with its themes of prisoners (lockdown!), springtime, awakening, wrongs and evils (Gates? Rights violations?) and its clarion-call for a transformation of the human psyche into something that can “go the lengths of God”.

A SLEEP OF PRISONERS. Christopher Fry (1917-2005)

The human heart can go the lengths of God…
Dark and cold we may be, but this
Is no winter now. The frozen misery
Of centuries breaks, cracks, begins to move;
The thunder is the thunder of the floes,
The thaw, the flood, the upstart Spring.

Thank God our time is now when wrong
Comes up to face us everywhere,
Never to leave us till we take
The longest stride of soul we ever took.

Affairs are now soul size.
The enterprise
Is exploration into God.
Where are you making for? It takes
So many thousand years to wake,
But will you wake for pity’s sake!

3106 Steve Carter, 9, #95 of 243 🔗

I agree with your many other readers; you have helped me stay sane too! Please keep up the great work; our voices will need to be heard just as clearly in the next few weeks as they have in the last few.

3109 Laura, replying to Laura, 26, #96 of 243 🔗

Here’s a great stat: the median death age of coronavirus (82) is greater than average human life expectancy (79)

3112 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Laura, 4, #97 of 243 🔗


3125 ▶▶ ChrisH29, replying to Laura, #98 of 243 🔗

Strange, my source has the numbers reversed, Median age 81.4, coronavirus death 79.5. It was some time ago so I would be interested to know the timing and source of your stat.

3127 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Laura, 2, #99 of 243 🔗

82.9 for women; 79.2 for men (who suffer much worse of course!)

3131 DickieA, 2, #100 of 243 🔗

Song suggestion: “Death Walks Behind You” by Atomic Rooster. Great site and information – much appreciated.

3146 Gracie Knoll, 3, #101 of 243 🔗

Interesting video by one of many “amateurs” looking at the stats, namely a certain Andrew Mather, businessman and mathematician.

He makes the point that the “virus” is now acting in a very “un-virus-like” way; inexplicable by any known microbiology; totally explicable if Governments are inventing/massaging figures in order to prolong the lockdown – to serve whatever agenda they (or their overlords) have planned for us.


How accurate this is I don’t know, being hopeless at maths and graphs, but maybe other maths/stats graduates or even a professional medical statistician could review Mather’s conclusions to see if they’re valid.

Mather has no doubt about what to do if his suspicions are correct. In his words, “it’s pitchfork time” and those responsible should spend the rest of their lives in jail.

3155 Csaba, 9, #102 of 243 🔗

Ferguson did what he did and it was wrong but the real mistake was done by others who listened him without challenging him. How a country could rely on a single adviser more than on others.

3163 Tony Rattray, replying to Tony Rattray, 9, #103 of 243 🔗

Our prime minister has twice now refused to use the ‘austerity’ word to sum up the next 5-10 years of government. So, could we make up our own suggestions for what he might call this period of his premiership and thereafter?
Based upon my own ‘scientific modelling’ (not subject to peer review or wider rational thought), it will in all probability involve the following:
• A prolonged recession (50% probability of a depression).
• Mass unemployment (100% probability).
• Significantly higher taxes for middle and high earners – there is a high probability in my modelling that this will initially be blocked (60%), but a 90% probability of materialisation.
• Government debt to gdp more akin to those previously recorded by italy and greece. There is a high probability (90%) that unlike the previous period known as ‘austerity’, the government will instead accept this manifestation as the ‘new norm’ of economic behavioural management. This will raise two key scientific questions – what was the point of the previous period of austerity?; what if we face another ‘critical event’ in the near future (the ‘oh dear’ scientific and moral conundrum).
• Although interest rates will be lower, a 100% probability that there will be an exponential growth in public debt interest payments (note for the scientific community, I have a graph with a very sharp red line to the sky for those that wish to view it). For the mass public (non-scientific and highly emotional) ‘our’ (remember its public debt, not the governments!) annual interest payments will be akin to the building of over 100 cancer treatment centres every year (in fact, as many as you want), or saving x10 the number of civilians that died during the ww2 blitz! Or in the words of a proposed metro newspaper headline for later this year – “hitler would turn on his grave”.
As I myself am also a fan of the classics, I have the following suggestion for naming the next 5-10 years:

nocere se, non a iocus (self harm ain’t a joke)!

3171 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Tony Rattray, 14, #104 of 243 🔗

This can’t be true. I have it on high authority that the magic money tree will pay for everything and our economy will boom, with unlimited public spending and free jam for everyone. I mean we all know that governments can just make as much money as they want to just by typing on a keyboard, right? What could possibly go wrong?

3174 Csaba, 2, #105 of 243 🔗

Well, 100 billions have been spent on economic support. For me, it means £ 1500 per each of us. That’s a lot of money to pay back in the system. Who is gonna pay for it?

3179 rossum, 1, #106 of 243 🔗

For the playlist: Killing Joke “I am the Virus” https://youtu.be/A4wdbibV3IM

3187 The Spingler, replying to The Spingler, 18, #107 of 243 🔗

More news from my partner’s 83 mother, who I have mentioned before when her and her fellow inmates at her assisted housing apartment block liberated their communal garden. She has been flicking the V’s at the lockdown again, walking all the way across town yesterday to go to the post office, when she could have bought a stamp from Sainsburys next door, and spent a couple of hours in a local launderette doing her washing. There is a communal launderette in her apartment complex but she resents being allocated a specific day and time when she can use it, so out into the wilderness she goes. The madness is that all the residents go out to Sainsburys and into town each day but are then forcibly kept apart when back in Colditz.

Locally to me it seems that the residents of this corner of South Wales have had enough of lockdown. More cars on the road, more people out and about. I did the high risk supermarket shop this morning – except it’s not risky at all is it?! so why do I have friends scared to go in a supermarket!! – and whilst in the pointless queue waiting to go inside I got chatting to the woman in front of me, who shook her head at an acquaintance that came past and said a muffled hello to her through his face mask, ‘I hope they don’t make us all wear masks’ she said, ‘we can’t avoid germs forever can we’. I agreed with her of course. Face mask wearers were still in the minority but definitely more around than last week, which is worrying. More worrying another member of the queue had wrapped a scarf round his face, he then proceeded to have a conversation on his mobile but of course his voice was so muffled he had to shout. Is this the future that beckons us – the return of Dom Jolly phone conversations on trains, and in the street?

3193 ▶▶ coalencanth12, replying to The Spingler, 6, #108 of 243 🔗

Glad to hear she is still up to her tricks, you can bet your bottom dollar these acts of disobedience and rebellion are going on all over the UK! I see the same round here.

3221 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to The Spingler, 13, #109 of 243 🔗

I too have happy news to report. I was in a large warehouse today servicing the pooters.

There were few people wesring masks. Loose ‘social distancing’ measures had been introduced, but the majority of people were actually ignoring them! – realising that they couldn’t properly communicate in a high pressure, noisy environment if they were two metres apart at all times. They already have to shout over machinery, so shouting over 2m isn’t really gonna happen.

Everyone was in high spirits, and not a shred of fear was shown. People were laughing and joking.

It cheered me up so much. 🙂

3194 coalencanth12, 5, #110 of 243 🔗

I was very interested to read the take-down of Ferguson’s code. This is worse than I thought possible. I would like to re-assure readers that not all academic code is this bad, in my own field there are many open packages which are subject to unit tests and cross-validation.

I would bet good money that this particular code would yield completely different results run on different chipsets or operating system builds. I’ve run into this problem in my field as certain software I use scientifically rely on generating a ‘random’ input. Usually you would expect reasonably good convergence between colleagues using say Windows vs Mac though, enough to average out any differences. Not the er, 80000 from Ferguson’s code.

3210 JRG, replying to JRG, 10, #111 of 243 🔗

Is there a lawyer in the house?

Question: Given that a worrying number of Covid-19 free people have died as a result of these draconian measures, a byproduct of which has been to scare people s***less so as to deter the reporting of life threatening medical conditions or the deferring of essential medical treatment, could the government be accused of gross negligence manslaughter?

3228 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to JRG, 4, #112 of 243 🔗

I imagine so. Maybe Simon Dolan will go a little into this in his lawsuit

3298 ▶▶ IanE, replying to JRG, 2, #113 of 243 🔗

Not to mention the vast outbreak of suicides that will now inevitably hit the country as people lose businesses, jobs, livelihoods, houses … After the much less severe 2008/2009 economic crash the suicide rate doubled and we can now expect at least 10 thousand of excess suicides over normal years.

3302 ▶▶ GLT, replying to JRG, 3, #114 of 243 🔗

If Simon Dolan’s action is successful and the government’s action is declared unlawful then I think we are likely to see all sorts of actions. For instance, there is an old concept where a wrongful act by a third party that interferes with performance of a contract may result in the parties to that contract having an action against that third party. It was the original basis for limiting trade union action before legislation was enacted. I think it’s an area that hasn’t been explored much since.
In the absence of a declaration that the government has acted unlawfully, then it would be down to proving that the government was negligent in its actions. This would be a very high hurdle, although the longer this goes on the more negligent it seems!

3440 ▶▶▶ Nel, replying to GLT, #115 of 243 🔗

Let’s hope whoever they present it to is unbiased

3238 ianp, replying to ianp, 12, #116 of 243 🔗

Having my eyes wide open on all of this has been so weird at work, hearing that sinister phrase ‘stay safe’ more than once. Not seen anyone send ‘#staysafe’ for a few days else they will get ‘#fuckoff’ back at them. The word is everywhere in corporate prat land like ‘when it’s safe to do so’, ‘if it’s safe’… safe safe safe safe!

It feels like I am on a conference call with a bunch of gibbering monkeys who are so far down the evolutionary scale that I pay even less attention to their fucking ‘quarter 3 targets’ than I usually do. They have a long way to go until the lightbulbs switch on. I did cure a couple of colleagues though – simple maths, logic and not a R number in sight.

I have a kind of admiration for what must be the most evil genius propaganda phrase of all time. ‘Stay at home. Stay safe. Protect the NHS’… Makes me sick writing it.

What if it had simply been ‘Stay at home. Protect the NHS’ …? Still all manner of fucking wrong but the sheep would soon have been asking why the hospitals are so bloody empty. We would not have this feardemic that needs to be exterminated asap. That’s the control that must be broken, then govts will start to feel the wrath.

People will see the facts in front of their eyes, it will happen eventually, it has to as you simply can’t keep counting deaths that didn’t bloody happen, I just hope it won’t be too late.

3278 ▶▶ sunchap, replying to ianp, 11, #117 of 243 🔗

Yes . You are totally right. Staying at home is not “staying safe”. As my new hero, epidemiologist Wittkowski has stated, sheltering at home with other people in a cramped space increases the transmission of a respiratory virus. Going outside is safer, these bugs do not like UV.

New York Governor Cuomo said today that he is “shocked” that 66% of recent admissions were from people sheltering at home. Is he joking!!!??

3297 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to sunchap, 1, #118 of 243 🔗

No – he IS the joke!

3265 wendyk, 1, #120 of 243 🔗

From ‘Round The Horne’ : Lady Counterblaster’s prescient butler Spasm -‘Doomed! We be all doomed!’ Played by Kenneth Williams.

3279 wendyk, 9, #122 of 243 🔗

Yesterday afternoon a patronising text from the NHS landed in my phone: decidedly bossy and warning me not to order more than the medicines that were actually needed.

It assured me that supplies were plentiful but that ordering everything on the repeat list at once should not be done at once.

How much more of this nannying will we have to endure?

And up here Sturgeon is resuming her role as she who must be obeyed, while subtly distancing herself from Westminster.

Yesterday an old man swathed to the eyeballs in a grubby scarf glared at me as I stood aside to let him pass.

Lionel Shriver’s discussion with Brendan O’ Neill is a shining example of the good sense and rational judgement which appears to have deserted our risk averse society; although of course, we don’t seem to be averse to destroying the economy and people’s livelihoods.

Rant over for now.

3280 Hoppy Uniatz, 1, #123 of 243 🔗

To celebrate today (VE Day), there’s only one possible theme song for this site, “I’m Going to Get Lit Up When The Lights Go On In London” by Carroll Gibbons and the Savoy Hotel Orpheans.


3286 Oaks79, replying to Oaks79, 1, #124 of 243 🔗

Great new in depth interview with Dr Wolfgang Wodarg who was one of the first to come out against this.

3348 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Oaks79, 4, #125 of 243 🔗

Fascinating, thanks. A very good interviewer and a very interesting interview subject, though not someone whose views I would have been particularly interested in before this coronapanic forced me to pay attention to such matters.

It’s an interview of a German doctor and former politician (mainstream left as far as I can tell – the equivalent of a Labour Party MP and party admin type here), who used to run a public health authority, who seems to have a lot of relevant background but has apparently been discredited as a result of his views on this crisis.

As far as I can tell, his view is that this is basically just an uptick in seasonal pneumonia that has been mis-portrayed as a big new pandemic. I don’t take some of his specific conspiracy theories on the supposed origin of the panic particularly seriously, but I’m interested in his medical experience and technical points, as well as his obviously deep inside knowledge of the politics of healthcare.

It’s quite detailed and slow moving, but this guy is obviously an intelligent man with immense, directly relevant knowledge and experience. A particularly interesting point for me is at around 39 minutes, where he talks about herd immunity, he asserts that it’s normal for rhinoviruses to get up to 70-80% prevalence before achieving herd immunity levels, but influenza and coronaviruses always top out at much lower levels, around 20-30% for coronaviruses – which would explain the patterns for this virus we’ve seen. Unfortunately the discussion derails when he’s asked why it only needs 20% or so – I would have liked that point to have been pressed in more detail by the interviewer. I assume it’s because of existing partial and cross-immunities and perhaps variations in susceptibility for other reasons. And towards the end he gives some fascinating personal experience-based knowledge on high level corruption in healthcare politics.

For me, the story of his sudden personal destruction when he spoke up about this latest panic is very telling. I assume this is an issue that will have been quite widely followed in Germany, but I didn’t hear about it here. The Wikipedia summary says:

“Wodarg gained notoriety during public discussion of the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic in early 2020 when he argued that SARS-CoV-2 was only one of many similar viruses which usually go undetected as part of an ordinary seasonal period of respiratory infections, and that the worldwide activities to stop the pandemic were “hype” caused by the selective perception of researchers.[4]

His comments on the COVID 19 pandemic drew criticism from German scientists and some German media outlets. According to the critics, Wodarg’s claims largely contradicted the verifiable facts; some of his statements were neither verifiable nor falsifiable; and because the facts Wodarg presented had nothing to do with each other, his statements had proved to be misleading.”

And concerning his abrupt removal as a Transparency International Germany board member:

“Transparency International Germany, on whose board of directors Wodarg serves, distanced itself from his statements on 17 March 2020: “Transparency International Germany rejects the sweeping criticism of board member Dr Wolfgang Wodarg of the government measures to protect the population from the corona virus. (…) Wolfgang Wodarg is speaking on this matter as a private individual and not in his capacity as a member of the Management Board.”[10][20] On March 25, 2020, the board decided to suspend his membership in the association “until further notice”, which means that Wodarg can no longer exercise any functions on the board or as head of the health working group for the time being. The Board of Directors will commission an independent committee to look into Wodarg’s statements about the Corona virus and to determine whether his behaviour has harmed the interests of Transparency International Germany. Transparency Chairman Hartmut Bäumer said that the reason for this was that Wodarg had expressed his views on “radical media” such as KenFM, Rubikon, Geolitico, and in an interview with Eva Herman; all of “which regularly work with conspiracy theories, with anti-democratic and sometimes anti-Semitic prejudices” and “oppose the basic democratic principles of Transparency”; while “some of them are personally close to the AfD”.”

(I always like to see lefties getting hoist by their own demonisation petard, when their habit of delegitimising political enemies as beyond the democratic pale is used against them. But in this case, that’s obviously very minor next to the big issues at stake here.)

3287 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #126 of 243 🔗

Professor Pantsdown has revealed this fandango as ‘Carry On Covid!’, alerting the public at large to the need for a long overdue inspection of the credibility of the major protagonists.

Had the government stuck to its guns, imagine what a position it would have been in: Margaret Thatcher after The Falklands……

The clues were there, and the experts that provided them. Consider this from 06 February

‘People are saying a 2.2 to 2.4% fatality rate total. However recent information is very worthy – if you look at the cases outside of China the mortality rate is <1%. [Only 2 fatalities outside of mainland China]. 2 potential reasons 1) either china’s healthcare isn’t as good – that’s probably not the case 2) What is probably right is that just as with SARS there’s probably much stricter guidelines in mainland China for a case to be considered positive. So the 20,000 cases in China is probably only the severe cases; the folks that actually went to the hospital and got tested. The Chinese healthcare system is very overwhelmed with all the tests going through. So my thinking is this is actually not as severe a disease as is being suggested. The fatality rate is probably only 0.8%-1%. There’s a vast underreporting of cases in China. Compared to Sars and Mers we are talking about a coronavirus that has a mortality rate of 8 to 10 times less deadly to Sars to Mers. So a correct comparison is not Sars or Mers but a severe cold. Basically this is a severe form of the cold.'


Professor John Nicholls, Clinical Professor in Pathology at the University of Hong Kong

But, really, who is Professor John Nicholls?

'In 1997, following the first outbreak of H5N1 influenza in humans, he commenced collaboration with the Department of Microbiology to study the pathological effects of avian influenza viruses in the respiratory tract. In 2003 he was a key member of the research team at the University of Hong Kong which isolated and characterized the novel SARS coronavirus which was associated with the global outbreak of 2003.

His work on SARS and avian influenza has been published in prestigious journals such as Lancet, PLOS Medicine and Nature Medicine as listed in part of his selected biography. His current investigative work is looking at the viral binding sites in the respiratory tract and determining susceptibility to avian influenza in humans and other animals. Together with staff from the School of Public Health he has established a lung and bronchial ex vivo culture system to investigate tropism and pathogenesis of emerging viral infections, as well as potential novel antiviral agents such as DAS181 in these systems. In 2009 he was awarded a Croucher Senior Medical Fellowship to work on novel therapeutic strategies for influenza.'


So Professor John Nicholls worked in China (Hong Kong) during the Covid 19 outbreak and specialised in emerging viral infections……….

Hong Kong deaths from Covid 19? That would be 4 exactly.

I note that even an article in The Guardian is calling for an immediate public enquiry.

3305 ▶▶ BrianJR, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #127 of 243 🔗

Don’t misunderstand me, I am a raging sceptic and furious at the UK government. But unless I misread the full article linked here from Prof Nicholls the last para would just play to those wishing to discredit him ? The last sentence being “So it should spread far less outside of Wuhan”

Given the clear and obvious need for anyone involved in the decision making that has lead to our catastrophic over-reaction in the UK, any evidence will need to be irrefutable.

Truth is I fear, that much as we all want to hold someone /many to account we have little or no chance of achieving it realistically.

3307 ▶▶▶ BrianJR, replying to BrianJR, #128 of 243 🔗

oops – should have written:
Given the clear and obvious need for anyone involved in the decision making that has lead to our catastrophic over-reaction in the UK to wriggle off the hook, any evidence will need to be irrefutable.

3464 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to BrianJR, 2, #129 of 243 🔗

As Professor Nicholls points out, so little was known at the time he gave his interview 3 months ago. Since then, it has become clear that the virus had already spread to France at least a month before he gave his interview. So the mitigation measures he mentions were already too late. He could not know, since the Cambridge University virus timeline work only itself started in February, that the virus could have switched to humans as early as mid September 2019.

All of this is, by now, academic but any enquiry must surely ask why the most experienced coronavirus experts within China, including Hong Kong, were not consulted in detail for their best advice, at the very least to better inform the modelling in Britain.

3294 Paul, replying to Paul, 2, #130 of 243 🔗

Surely the site theme tune should be “Isolation” by Joy Division?

3508 ▶▶ Fiat, replying to Paul, #131 of 243 🔗

Or Toto? 🙂

3295 daveyp, replying to daveyp, 10, #132 of 243 🔗

Looking at the ONS figures that have been released this week the “Stay home, stay safe” mantra is not true at all.

Normal figures for death rates before COVID-19 for people at Home were around 2,500 a week and the same in Care Homes too. The figures from the ONS for the Weeks ending 3rd April, 10th April, 17th April and 24th April give a total of 17,386 death at Home from all causes of which 1,289 are COVID-19 deaths. This means that during this time there were 6,097 excess deaths at Home during this four week period, just under 5,000 more that COVID-19 deaths.

The overall excess non COVID-19 deaths in Care Homes is even worse. For the same 4 week period there was a total of 23,923 death from all causes of which 5,865 are COVID-19 deaths. This gives 8,058 excess deaths in Care Homes over the four week period, just over 2,000 more than COVID-19 deaths.

Therefore, during this period there has been around 14,000 excess non COVID-19 deaths at Home and in Care Homes which is around 7,000 more deaths than from COVID-19 in the same locations. As there would normally be around 5,000 death pre-COVID-19 per week at Home and in Care Homes, we are looking at the 14,000 deaths equating to 3 weeks of normal deaths.

So, “Stay home, Stay Safe” is complete and utter rubbish, as the figures for being locked down are showing that in fact it is more dangerous to be staying home. The lockdown isn’t working as it is causing a significant increase in excess non COVID-19 deaths which are significantly higher than COVID-19 deaths. These deaths are also being completely ignored by the Government and MSM as well, and at these levels surely this needs investigating as they are either due to the lockdown, and thus removing the lockdown would reduce these deaths, or there could possibly be another virus or illness causing these deaths that we are unaware of.

3301 ▶▶ IanE, replying to daveyp, 6, #133 of 243 🔗

Well spotted – and, now you mention it, not totally surprising – homes are not that safe and care homes run by panicked staff are almost inevitably less safe than in ‘normal’ times. It just amazes me that anyone can support this catastrophic lockdown – and that ignores the (to me at least) equally important loss of freedoms: ending the Lockdown is much like Brexit – the restoration of freedom and independence!

3313 ▶▶ ianp, replying to daveyp, 6, #134 of 243 🔗

Yes, this has to get out there, but my experience is that the brainwashed are utterly fucking thick as pigshit and will ignore it completely. It has to be distilled into the most shorteest, simple, official, cartoon like representation possible.

We are playing out a real life version of the film ‘Idiocracy’ folks, and we are simply Luke Wilson

3319 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to ianp, 1, #135 of 243 🔗

Judging by the look I got from the old boy swathed Lawrence of Arabia like in his grubby scarf yesterday, I’ll have to agree with you.

I tolerated this fairly well initially but now the numbers of people sporting utterly useless face coverings and stepping off the pavement is becoming increasingly tiresome.

‘Stay home, stay safe’ is going to qualify as an oxymoron shortly, if not now. Grrrrr!

3320 ▶▶▶ daveyp, replying to ianp, 4, #136 of 243 🔗

You are absolutely right, it needs to get out there. Unfortunately, the majority of people believe what’s on Facebook, Twitter, and the MSM, and are so blinkered by what is on there that they take it as gospel and never actually look at what’s behind the story.

3344 ▶▶▶▶ ianp, replying to daveyp, 12, #137 of 243 🔗

It’s just extraordinary. The BBC in particular has been the most culpable, absolutely no critical questions of the government whatsoever. A large proportion of the population has probably turned to them as ‘trusted source’ of ‘impartial’ information. Even the brain-dead realise that the papers have a political bias in all that they report.

The public lynching is coming soon.

Kuntsberg and her fucking ‘new normal’…

I note that the dirty rag The Sun are now turning and continuing the campaign against Ferguson. It must continue!

When the truth comes out and oh it will, the BBC are finished. Facebook and YouTube and the other MSM will get away with it.

At the end of the day, it’s the general public who should also hang their heads in shame. They have let this happen, through their selfishness and apathy

3353 ▶▶▶▶▶ daveyp, replying to ianp, #138 of 243 🔗

Unfortunately, the truth wont come out for a long time as the MSM are getting record viewing figures and selling more papers/digital services than ever. So, even more people watching who can be brainwashed.

3367 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to ianp, 3, #139 of 243 🔗

Actually, The Sun has a very wide readership and excels at puncturing the pompous and pious pretensions of our so-called betters.

Nothing and no one is sacred.

Their punning headlines are irreverent,funny and memorable.

So,if The Sun really gets behind time to end the lockdown, I predict that the public mood will start to change from abject fear aand compliance to a more combative approach.
We can but hope and Brendan O’ Neill and Rod Liddle write regular pieces .

3423 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bob, replying to ianp, 1, #140 of 243 🔗

I’m never going to look at the BBC content again after this (the Gell-Mann amnesia effect in action!)

3446 ▶▶▶▶▶ Gracie Knoll, replying to ianp, 3, #141 of 243 🔗

Perhaps we should be referring to “Brave New Normal” which might wake a few literary types up!

3331 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to daveyp, 3, #142 of 243 🔗

I think that lockdown, like the iconic mask, is a gesture. In fact it is like a religious sacrifice or self-flagellation. It gives helpless people a feeling that they have done something; that the gods will be kind to them because they have suffered something. They don’t really care whether it ‘works’ as such.

3358 ▶▶▶ daveyp, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #143 of 243 🔗

Too right, there is more than enough people at the moment with the “holier than thou” attitude.

3363 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to daveyp, 1, #144 of 243 🔗

Haloes are being polished and masks donned.

3493 ▶▶▶ Rick, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #145 of 243 🔗

They’ve forgotten that the real world is not a movie or a novel, redemption does not come from suffering. No author is going to say “our characters have made themselves suffer hard enough, lets pul them out of this”. The only way out of problems is to confront them, to accept risk as a part of life.

3501 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to daveyp, 1, #146 of 243 🔗

Have you emailed this to Toby, as not sure he sees all the comments, as I agree we really need to join all this up and get to the bottom of it. And the testing, WHO guidelines say they can test for any old coronavirus, plus death recording is really dodgy also. I’m trying to find out if there’s a CQC points system here, where points mean prizes ££££, there is in the states, I think everything bar a gunshot murder is going in the stats as covid as the hospital gets paid.

3562 ▶▶▶ daveyp, replying to BecJT, #147 of 243 🔗

I was wondering too whether there is some benefit financially to the doctors for attributing the cause of death to COVID-19, such as being able to claim a certain level of expenses for COVID-19 diagnoses which is meant to be spent on PPE.

3518 ▶▶ karate56, replying to daveyp, 2, #148 of 243 🔗

I despair, I really do. I thought just maybe, the disappearance of Ferguson was somehow the start of the government realising he work was actually crap and the start, albeit slowly, of rolling back this lockdown. Alas, not a chance. We get promised an announcement on Sunday, hints of sanity being restored, yet this afternoon’s leaked government meetings suggest that actually, nothing will change.
I’m now frightened to death this will never end. I like to think I’m intelligent, so why is it so few people can see my point of view? I don’t claim to have all the answers, nor am I announcing my righteousness on my lockdown opinion but so many people cannot see the disaster that it is. It’s not hard to fact find, read between lines, look what likely future scenarios are yet we who doubt this lockdown are a massive minority, why? You shouldn’t need that much intelligence to see the devastation the lockdown has caused and will cause, it’s not hard to envisage and rationally predict a bad future due to bad pandemic mitigation strategies.
All I want is to go for a walk without worrying who’s coming the other way down the path. I want to not swerve around someone for no good reason, I want to play golf, not be scorned for not clapping the NHS, want my daughter to see her friends other than through a screen, sit on a bench and do nothing without some idiot staring at me like I was a potential murderer. I just wish, for no more than common sense and rationality, but I can’t have it. It is utterly unreal.

3635 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to karate56, 1, #149 of 243 🔗

If someone walks away from you, walk towards them. That’s what I’ve started doing 🙂

3697 ▶▶ karate56, replying to daveyp, #150 of 243 🔗

I despair, I really do. I thought just maybe, the disappearance of Ferguson was somehow the start of the government realising he work was actually utter shit and the start, albeit slowly, of rolling back this fucking lockdown. Alas, not a chance. We get promised an announcement on Sunday, hints of sanity being restored, yet this afternoon’s leaked government meetings suggest that actually, fuck all will change.
I’m now frightened to death this will never end. I like to think I’m intelligent, so why is it so few people can see my point of view? I don’t claim to have all the answers, nor am I announcing my righteousness on my lockdown opinion but so many people cannot see the disaster that it is. It’s not hard to fact find, read between lines, look what likely future scenarios are yet we who doubt this lockdown are a massive minority, why? You shouldn’t need that much intelligence to see the devastation the lockdown has caused and will cause, it’s not hard to envisage and rationally predict a shit future due to shit pandemic mitigation strategies.
All I want is to go for a fucking walk without worrying who’s coming the other way down the path. I want to not swerve around someone for no good reason, I want to play golf, not be scorned by twats for not clapping the NH fucking S, want my daughter to see her friends other than through a screen, sit on a bench and do fuck all without some idiot staring at me like I was a potential murderer. I just wish, for no more than common sense and rationality, but I can’t have it. It is utterly unreal.

3312 Mark, 6, #151 of 243 🔗

In future years, academics will study 2020 not for the relatively minor uptick in global disease deaths, but to analyse the way mass panic affected policymaking, so as to understand how the huge political, economic. cultural and strategic consequences came about.

3314 ScuzzaMan, replying to ScuzzaMan, 5, #152 of 243 🔗

“ICL’s computer model is a great illustration of the coders’ golden rule – “garbage in, garbage out”.”

It’s a lot worse than that.
(Isn’t it always?)

If the code consistently produced garbage outputs when given garbage inputs then that would indicate some degree of reliability in the code itself. It doesn’t guarantee it will produce useful outputs when given useful inputs but it raises the probability somewhat.

But the code in question produces useless garbage irrespective of the inputs. The implied conclusion is that the code itself is garbage – exactly in line with the review – but that conclusion is woefully understated as “garbage in, garbage out”.

3322 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to ScuzzaMan, 3, #153 of 243 🔗

It sounds like a mutating code -a sinister Coronacode : this is a silly suggestion but we have to try and find some humour in all this stupidity.

3494 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to wendyk, 1, #154 of 243 🔗

My own silly suggestion – a pity there is no-one like Kenny Everett, donning over-sized polystyrene hands and and imploring “Let’s all get back to work”

3504 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to kh1485, #155 of 243 🔗

O yes! He was a favourite of mine

3530 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to wendyk, #156 of 243 🔗

The trouble is, right now, that would be as radical an idea as his original proclaimation!

3328 swedenborg, 7, #157 of 243 🔗

One of the most interesting information from Gov Cuomo’s press conference about New York Covid-19 epidemic yesterday. Although deaths, ICU admissions and general hospital admissions were declining he was shocked that 60 % of the new admissions were directly from home. Not a very good advertisement being locked down for weeks. Perhaps not so surprising. Closed environments (nursing homes, hospitals, prisons, homeless shelters etc) have high transmission rate and household in lockdown is by definition a very closed environment. You can be sure that in a lockdown household, especially in a poor, multifamily setting, a single asymptomatic would certainly have the best opportunity to transmit to the others. Lockdown sceptics can’t be surprised.

3334 daveyp, replying to daveyp, 20, #158 of 243 🔗

I just had an interesting chat with a family friend who Grandmother in her late 80’s has just died and it was diagnosed as COVID-19.

I asked her if she’d was allowed to go to the hospital to see her, but she said “Oh, she was never in hospital, she died at the Care Home.” She then told me that her Grandmother had been in the Care Home for 10 years as she had Dementia and could no longer recognise anyone. I asked if her Grandmother was tested for COVID-19, she said “No, but the doctor says she had it”. I asked her if she had any symptoms, she said “No, she just passed away in her sleep”

I’m really not getting the diagnosis here, a lady in her late 80’s with dementia who dies in her sleep, and with no COVID-19 symptoms yet a Doctor is allowed to class the cause of death as COVID-19. There will be no autopsy or inquest into the death so there is no way to disprove it.

There is really something wrong big time with this!

3336 ▶▶ Steve Austin, replying to daveyp, #159 of 243 🔗

See the link I posted above….

3351 ▶▶▶ daveyp, replying to Steve Austin, 1, #160 of 243 🔗

It would be interesting to actually find out how many death certificates include “presumed COVID-19” on them.

3354 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to daveyp, 1, #161 of 243 🔗

As I understand it, the death certificates for Covid-19 has been simplified for just Covid-19. The new precautions we had in place after Shipman is not in place for Covid-19.So a new Shipman rampaging around would be difficult to spot.

3361 ▶▶▶ daveyp, replying to swedenborg, 1, #162 of 243 🔗

Yes, I was reading that the procedures put in place to stop another Shipman have now gone.

For the people that have died, I wonder if wills are being examined to see if they have been changed over the last two months?

3536 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to daveyp, #163 of 243 🔗

It’s standard procedure for care home deaths. Doctors have to put a cause and in the absence of a definite (eg she rolled down the stairs in her wheel chair and broke her neck) they put the most probable. Last year my Mum passed away in her care home. No idea from what. She had dementia and a month earlier had what was suspected to be a stroke. No actual diagnosis because you don’t send people in her position to hospital but it was considered most likely due to her medication and age. To everyone’s surprise a couple of days later she woke up, bright as a button, back to ‘her’ normal. A month further on she started refusing food and water and eventually passed away. Again no hospital and no diagnosis, but her death cert said cause of death stroke. If they can’t put a cause they have to do a PM, so it doesn’t surprise me that Doctors are using CV19 for people whose cause of death is unknown.

3349 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Steve Austin, 6, #165 of 243 🔗

The US and the UK leaders need the highest death rate as possible as fig leaves for a disastrous lockdown. Therefore the criminal, unethical and shameless falsification of deaths attributed to Covid-19 in both UK and US is in full swing.

3356 ▶▶ GLT, replying to Steve Austin, 2, #166 of 243 🔗

It’s a great summary, thanks.

3338 Steve Austin, 1, #167 of 243 🔗
3350 Mark, 3, #168 of 243 🔗

There’s a great interview on Off-Guardian with a German doctor and politician Wolfgang Wodarg linked in Oaks79’s post just below, and in it he mentions the way these viruses tend to see off older people. An important concept to bear in mind generally at the moment is the old description of pneumonia as “the old man’s friend”:


3362 Tim, replying to Tim, 6, #169 of 243 🔗

The site has been very slow, last night and this morning. Is there a problem?

3375 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Tim, #170 of 243 🔗

I’m finding the same sluggish response. Hope it hasn’t been hit by a DDoS

3382 ▶▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to wendyk, #171 of 243 🔗

I think it’s just sheer weight of traffic. Make a donation so we can afford more bandwidth.

3390 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, #172 of 243 🔗

I already have

3404 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, 3, #173 of 243 🔗

Yours is a good point since it might mean that more people are starting to question the limbo in which we’re stuck.

Perhaps the Prof’s debagging has done some good

3392 ▶▶ ianp, replying to Tim, 3, #174 of 243 🔗

More and more people being unplugged from ‘The Matrix’ I would presume

3420 ▶▶ Mimi, replying to Tim, #175 of 243 🔗

I suspect it’s people clicking on the link about Ferguson’s code, which has been widely reposted.

3369 Mark, 16, #176 of 243 🔗

As I was engaged in yet another futile discussion with an acquaintance of broadly mainstream leftist leaning, I was struck again by the remarkable disinterest these people suddenly seem to have in the issues of government powers, civil liberty and state intrusion into people’s lives. These are people who usually have what I generally regard as a rather over-sensitive and almost paranoid obsession with defending against anything they perceive as encouraging big government in these areas (not of big government in terms of social spending, obviously, but certainly in terms of civil liberties). And especially so when, as with healthcare, there is any whiff of suspicion of big corporations being involved.

And yet here, in the midst of some of the grossest such intrusions we have ever seen [according to Lord Sumption: “the lockdown is without doubt the greatest interference with personal liberty in our history” – and that’s before we even start to consider the menacing long term implications of the threatened “new reality”], there’s a general air of disinterest, and a rather casual dismissal of it as just “necessary” to deal with the “emergency”. (Which frankly should in itself be ringing alarm bells for any student of history!)

We endlessly heard in the distant past (BC – Before Coronapanic) how the great danger is that fear will be used to justify power grabs of this kind. Many of the lefties I’m talking about were in the habit of darkly making exactly that point, fairly regularly, before the current panic arose. Then, silence.

We are living through a rather dramatic illustration of just how effectively fear makes people accept things that they would never normally accept, how it can fundamentally change popular perceptions of issues, almost overnight. Even for people who absolutely are forewarned, and who fully ”know” that giving in to fear in this way is disastrous.

A hard lesson in reality for us all, and a very expensive one.

3386 Tim, replying to Tim, 2, #178 of 243 🔗

The site has been playing up this morning. I hope it will accept my comment this time. Or rather … it’s a question.

Is it moral to borrow money from people who haven’t been born yet?

3389 ▶▶ Tim, replying to Tim, #179 of 243 🔗

Actually … that’s the wrong question. The question should be ….

Is it moral that we should borrow money and expect it to be paid back by people who haven’t been born yet.

BTW … who are these people that are lending us all this money?

3405 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Tim, 1, #180 of 243 🔗

One of them’s called Gutenberg, I believe.

3399 Disgruntled, 15, #181 of 243 🔗

I see a few of the papers are this morning running with the supposedly leaked government timetable for ending lockdown, culminating in finally getting bars and restaurants open by September (like there will be any left in business by then), just in time for next winter flu season to throw us back into lockdown. Give me strength.

My only hope at this point is that the tide of scientific evidence that is currently turning will finally break in the coming weeks, such than neither the government nor the MSM can obfuscate the fact that lockdown measure are as unnecessary as they are ill conceived.

It seems to me abundantly clear that the only people who need any form of shielding are the over 85s who, according to the ONS figures, make up 40% of all Covid deaths. Add in the 75-84 age group and it’s 70%, while deaths under the age of 45 are running at 1% of total. Even then, if I were a fit and healthy 75 year old, I’d want to decide for myself whether I needed “protecting”.

3411 daveyp, replying to daveyp, #182 of 243 🔗

This story has just broken on Sky Sport “No fans at Dutch games until there is a vaccine, says health minister”

It says supporters cannot attend football matches until there is a vaccine.

The Health Minister said: “We cannot yet mention a date for the last step, the mass gatherings. That is actually only possible if there is a vaccine and no one knows how long it will take. We hope of course soon, but a year or more is very real.”

So, it looks for definite that we will only be able to go back to normal once we have all had the vaccine, and no doubt have our app on our phones with our vaccine certificates on.

3436 ▶▶ Josh, replying to daveyp, 4, #183 of 243 🔗

Just noise making. Once the danger is negligible they will have to relent. Especially because it’s highly unlikely a vaccine will present itself.

3455 ▶▶▶ ianp, replying to Josh, 2, #184 of 243 🔗

Or… When the realisation that bang on cue that the public have turned completely, then a vaccine will magically ‘appear’ and thus begin the propaganda cycle of forced apps and ‘immunisation’… Dear god I hope I am wrong

3548 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to ianp, 2, #185 of 243 🔗

I hope so too… Why not just inject everyone with a placebo to cure the coronaphobia and job’s a good ‘un?

3551 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to guy153, #186 of 243 🔗

You do realise that placebos aren’t just composed of distilled water?

3564 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Cheezilla, #187 of 243 🔗

What? Don’t say that!

3452 ▶▶ ianp, replying to daveyp, 5, #188 of 243 🔗

This is horrifying. We must fight tooth and nail on this until the bitter end.

3412 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 1, #189 of 243 🔗

FYI, I have sent a letter to Sir Graham Brady (1922 Committee chair) and his office responds very promptly. They’ve said that they are only responding to constituents currently, which is fair enough, but that they will pass my comments on to Sir Graham. I’m just sharing to encourage you that you will get a response if you do email them.

3413 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Moomin, #190 of 243 🔗

I don’t usually, even after contacting my local MP.

3418 ▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to IanE, #191 of 243 🔗

I did get a reply from my MP too, but it wasn’t as prompt as the one from Sir Brady. We just need to put some pressure on even though most people still seem to be oblivious to what’s going on.

3421 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to IanE, #192 of 243 🔗

Neither do I;she’s an SNP stalwart

3424 Oaks79, replying to Oaks79, 12, #193 of 243 🔗

Is it only ‘lockdown sceptics’ that are seeing the data here ? Seriously you would think this was killing 20 year olds that are fit and healthy within hours of being infected the way Piers ‘bed wetter’ Morgan is acting. He is literally driving fear into people.

3428 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Oaks79, 6, #194 of 243 🔗

It’s become a self-sustaining fear fantasy that needs no further input and is immune to reality.

3434 ▶▶ GLT, replying to Oaks79, 10, #195 of 243 🔗

Every single individual who has subscribed to the narrative has an enormous vested interest in maintaining it. The alternative is that they have to accept some degree of personal responsibility for the devastation that comes next. Much easier to say it is an ‘inevitable consequence’ of what ‘had to be done’

I have to admit that I feel increasingly responsible, given my belief that the narrative is severely flawed, for not speaking out further and louder.

3439 ▶▶ Disgruntled, replying to Oaks79, 7, #196 of 243 🔗

I see that #keepthelockdown is trending on Twitter today. I honestly think some people have lost the plot.

3445 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Oaks79, 6, #197 of 243 🔗

Stories like this don’t help:

Joe Public sees a story like this and thinks “Oh my God, even healthy 20 year-olds can die from this!”. They don’t bother to check the stats and come to realize that the threat to the healthy young is absolutely miniscule. There seems to be a complete inability among most of the public to actually assess levels of risk. The attitude seems to be that if something can happen once then you should panic about it regardless of the actual probability of the event.

3488 ▶▶▶ Gracie Knoll, replying to Chicot, 6, #198 of 243 🔗

Any and every pandemic and / or flu season takes out a few young people, some of whom were previously healthy (or at least, they weren’t obviously ill – there’s a difference).

Articles like this https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21030071/
are easily available from PubMed. These should be collated and used as ammunition against the fear mongering (“OMG!! OMG!! A YOUNG person has died from a viral pandemic! This has NEVER happened before in the whole history of medicine! We’re all going to DIE! OMG!! OMG!! OMG!!” You get the picture.)

3533 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Gracie Knoll, #199 of 243 🔗

I think flu can be quite dangerous for young children, as opposed to this which doesn’t affect them at all. I think I read somewhere that’s true of all coronaviruses not just this one.

I hate to think what the media bleatfest would be like if this one was influenza and was affecting children.

3534 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Gracie Knoll, 1, #200 of 243 🔗

And there are no similar eruptions when young people sadly die of meningitis.
Outbreaks occur fairly regularly at universities and colleges; I saw it happen when studying at Surrey University some years ago.

3528 ▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Chicot, 5, #201 of 243 🔗

The article says that the girl had a kidney infection and initially tested negative for covid. I’m sure what she went through was traumatic, but if nobody had ever heard of covid then she would have been ill with a kidney infection.

3437 GLT, replying to GLT, 11, #203 of 243 🔗


Update on Join the Legal Challenge to the UK Govt Lockdown

We have today accused Boris Johnson of “dragging his heels over the burning embers of the economy” after the Government said it needed more time to respond to his legal challenge to lockdown.
Our lawyers sent a Letter Before Action the Government on Thursday April 30, setting a deadline of May 7 for them to respond.
The legal challenge calls on the Government to urgently action the allowing of gatherings of up to 100 people, the reopening of schools, and to commit to a review the lockdown restrictions every two weeks
However, government lawyers have now written to our legal team requesting a further week to issue their response.
The initial deadline was also the time PM Boris Johnson was due to announce a review of lockdown. That announcement has also been pushed back – reportedly until Sunday evening.
“The Government is playing for time in asking for more time to respond to the Letter Before Action. Time is something ministers really do not have the luxury of – every day is estimated to cost the economy £2.5billion.

3447 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to GLT, #204 of 243 🔗

Just received my copy; grim. Lockdown extended up here by FM Sturgeon, who has said that ‘ she won’t be pressurised into lifting measures’.

3527 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to wendyk, 2, #205 of 243 🔗

“I won’t bow to sanity!!” Lol

3442 Annabel Andrew, replying to Annabel Andrew, #206 of 243 🔗

Have just seen on the DT ( which is more sensationalist every day) that the lock down is going to be formally another 3 weeks- have I read that wrongly?

3444 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Annabel Andrew, 1, #207 of 243 🔗

FM Sturgeon has extended house arrests up here for another 3 weeks, but, she might consider letting us out more than once a day.
Whether we’ll have to convince her that our elf and safety won’t be at risk remains to be seen.
This is like being in detention after school.

3520 ▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to wendyk, 3, #208 of 243 🔗

Some well-known Scottish independence bloggers have gone into full stay home to save lives mode and conclude with a leap of logic that since Boris Johnson did not follow Neil Ferguson’s advice soon enough, Scotland should become independent. Gordie Broon has been dusted off to tell us that we should come out of lockdown when London says so. The Scots aren’t having that. We’ll stay in our houses till Nicola tells us to come out and let that Boris try and stop us! It’s depressing.

3532 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Jane in France, #209 of 243 🔗

You’d think that the Nats, could, just for once, see the sense in having a unified policy for the entire UK.
Some hope.
And how on earth would they manage the stupendous costs of this lockdown if they achieved independence?
EU hand outs? Don’t think so.

3542 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jane in France, 1, #210 of 243 🔗

Scotland the Brave!

3546 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Mark, #211 of 243 🔗

If Boris does relax the house arrest criteria and allows more folk out on licence, how will Nicola respond?
After all, she’s never lost an opportunity to have a go at Westminster and she might find that her followers start to get restive.

3539 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to wendyk, #212 of 243 🔗

She has an obligation to do the opposite of Westminster so this might be good news in disguise for England at least.

Starmer is saying we need to do TTT which is kind of obvious really if you’re in opposition. The facts that it’s hopelessly impractical and too late aren’t problems if you’re in opposition because you only have to talk about it not do it.

3698 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to wendyk, #213 of 243 🔗

She has an obligation to do the opposite of Westminster so this might be good news in disguise for England at least.

Starmer is saying we need to do TTT which is kind of obvious really if you’re in opposition. The facts that it’s hopelessly impractical and too late aren’t problems if you’re in opposition because you only have to talk about it not do it.

3450 Gracie Knoll, 1, #214 of 243 🔗

New video of Knut Wittkowski being interviewed by Dr Daniel Erickson:


Apologies if someone else has already flagged this up.

3453 Mark, replying to Mark, 3, #215 of 243 🔗

In these dark times, we must cling tight to every snippet of good news:


3473 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Mark, 1, #217 of 243 🔗

Yes – a smile came to my face when I saw that!

3456 Annabel Andrew, 3, #218 of 243 🔗

Have sent copies of the ‘evidence not fear’letter to both my MPs – my business MP is Rishi- hoping that he wants this fiasco to end as much as anyone!

3462 Oaks79, replying to Oaks79, 1, #219 of 243 🔗

So that Mason Mills posted this:
Barring a second wave, the lockdown will be fully lifted by mid July.

Focus on saving lives and the NHS, let government worry about the Economy and the future of the country.

If you don’t believe they are fighting for you and your livelihoods, you are wrong.

Have faith.

3463 ▶▶ Oaks79, replying to Oaks79, 1, #220 of 243 🔗

Reason I’m sharing his tweet is because during the whole Brexit will we/won’t we before the election he was pretty much spot on with his tweets like he attends meetings etc, some actually think he is Cummings

3490 ▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to Oaks79, 3, #221 of 243 🔗

I don’t like the cut of his jib!

3521 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Oaks79, 1, #222 of 243 🔗

I think you are right.Looking at his tweets looks very suspicious.Intresting to know that Boris Johnson’s two most eminent public health advisors were Neil Ferguson and Dominic Cummings

3489 Dylan Jones, replying to Dylan Jones, 8, #223 of 243 🔗

“Nor do I believe in any of the conspiracy theories linking these public health panjandrums to Bill Gates and Big Pharma and some diabolical plan to vaccinate 7.8 billion people.”

For us to take that sentence seriously there would have to be no linkage between “these public health panjandrums” and “Bill Gates” and “Big Pharma” and “plan to vaccinate 7.8 billion people.”

No one can seriously deny such linkage so all that is left to deny is that it is “diabolical.”

Therefore I think you were joking there.

The philanthrocapitalistic pharmaceutical network is currently blackmailing the world to accept mass vaccination or remain under lockdown in one form or another indefinitely. Honestly, now, what is not diabolical in THAT sentence?

3506 ▶▶ Steve Austin, replying to Dylan Jones, 1, #224 of 243 🔗


Plandemic – watch it quick, before they remove it again.

3502 Snake Oil Pussy, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, #225 of 243 🔗

Does Sweden have any equivalent of the weekly total death statistics we get from the ONS? If so could someone post a link or better still a translation?

3523 Cbird, replying to Cbird, 11, #227 of 243 🔗

This from our local council re the coming weekend:

“Please remember to follow the government’s guidelines over this bank holiday weekend and only travel for one of the three essential tasks – to work, to get food or for medical treatment.”

Wrong! I for one will be making a point of going or where I like, when I like and for whatever reason I like

3526 ▶▶ Cbird, replying to Cbird, 4, #228 of 243 🔗

Sorry, should add: as often as I like

3541 ▶▶▶ stevencress43, replying to Cbird, 1, #229 of 243 🔗

I couldn’t agree more and I believe that there are a lot of people that feel exactly how we are feeling, but what do we do about it to make the rest of the country wake up to what is going on ? During the run up to the last election the anti Brexiteers staged a rally in London that received global recognition, how do we try and achieve something similar on behalf of lockdown sceptics ?

3550 ▶▶▶ Cbird, replying to Cbird, 1, #230 of 243 🔗

Really trying to resist the temptation to write to the council and ask whether, if any of us has an open marriage (or indeed not), we will also be allowed to nip out for a quick shag

3699 ▶▶▶ stevencress43, replying to Cbird, #231 of 243 🔗

I couldn’t agree more and I believe that there are a lot of people that feel exactly how we are feeling, but what do we do about it to make the rest of the country wake up to what is going on ? During the run up to the last election the anti Brexiteers staged a rally in London that received global recognition, how do we try and achieve something similar on behalf of lockdown sceptics ?

3702 ▶▶▶ Cbird, replying to Cbird, #232 of 243 🔗

Really trying to resist the temptation to write to the council and ask whether, if any of us has an open marriage (or indeed not), we will also be allowed to nip out for a quick shag.

3543 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 1, #233 of 243 🔗

Service expected in Phase 1 after Boris speach on Sunday.Watch.

3557 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to swedenborg, #234 of 243 🔗

Thank you. I own a coffee shop and this has given me my only laugh of the day!

3544 Gabrielle Bauer, #235 of 243 🔗

What a great resource! Kudos to the host of this website.

3561 Gracie Knoll, 1, #236 of 243 🔗

This video from Eric Berg is well worth watching and sharing, especially in view of lockdown and its totally counter-productive effect on “staying safe” – not!


Berg is a chiropractor which has made him the target of detractors – he’s not a “proper doctor” according to those who believe that health comes out of a drug bottle or a syringe. The comments on this particular video are almost universally positive; times are changing.

In the current pandemic we see that people such as Berg, who have long advocated the use of simple non-drug remedies – diet, sunlight, exercise, meditation etc. – may actually be presenting the BEST defence against a novel virus. A vaccine, if one ever comes, may arrive after we’ve achieved herd immunity nature’s way; cruel but effective as Mother Nature has always been.

So one thing that may come from this crisis is a re-evaluation of these cheap, simple methods to massively reduce the financial burden of healthcare. Charles Eisenstein, in his wonderful essay about the pandemic (“The Coronation” – I highly recommend visiting his site to read it, or watch his narration on YouTube) also suggests this approach, together with other methods of healing our broken connection to the Earth and to each other.

3621 Jonathan Castro, #237 of 243 🔗

The government is at fault for accepting Ferguson’s model. Ferguson’s track record should have been a big red flag.
There should never have been any lock-down. It was a massive error that I believe will bring down the government in due course.

3693 alfred58uk, #238 of 243 🔗

Man, don’t make excuses for these damned idiots – they are evil, no ifs no buts, just follow the money. The T-shirt with “AVAAZ” printed on it is a clue.

3694 alfred58uk, #239 of 243 🔗

I for one have no intention of taking any vaccine developed by Bill Gates and his ilk to me it’s akin to being told by Nazis to climb onto a cattle wagon not knowing it is going to Auschwitz and being told not to worry what we are doing is good for you.

3695 alfred58uk, #240 of 243 🔗

This is interesting https://youtu.be/HzJpRvSUbl4

3700 Gabrielle Bauer, #241 of 243 🔗

What a great resource! Kudos to the host of this website.

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