2020-05-15

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8232 LGDTLK, replying to LGDTLK, 6, #1 of 366 🔗

Thanks as ever Toby. A sane voice in an ocean of insanity. My tweet of the day appeared in a cricketing thread discussing England cricketer’s restarting training and ECB chief Ashley Giles stating the player’ training environments would be safervthan being in the supermarket. I’ve yet to decide whether this was a spoof!

“I certainly hope so. Going to Sainsbury’s is a bleeding death run. Everyone under 25 thinks Covid-19 does not apply to them and totally ignore the 2-metre rule. Then there are the old farts, who simply don’t care coz it. I literally have to shout at folk for invading my space.”

8290 ▶▶ South Coast Worker, replying to LGDTLK, 27, #2 of 366 🔗

Common moan is how the old people don’t adhere to any of the new rules. Could it be that they have been around long enough to know when they’re being conned. The under 25s, skew from complete indifference to being utterly petrified. I haven’t encountered any that are actively engaged in the topic one way or the other though.

8336 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to South Coast Worker, 35, #3 of 366 🔗

This is amazing.

“Go back inside, you’re killing old people!!”
“But…. I am an old person.”
“Well then you’re KILLING ME!!”

Funny how they suddenly care about all the old people they wished dead after referendum result.

8311 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to LGDTLK, 35, #4 of 366 🔗

I don’t engage in social distancing. Most people (nearly all actually) move away from me like frightened little sheep.

8349 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Castro, 26, #5 of 366 🔗

Yes! I find it quite worrying.
I used to step into the road out of consideration but, as I think the social distancing is an unnecessary farce, I now choose not to and if it bothers them, they can jump in front of passing traffic.

8356 ▶▶▶▶ paulito, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #6 of 366 🔗

Hello Cheezilla. Exactly. If they think that jumping in front of a speeding car is safer than a fellow human being there’s no help for them.

8345 ▶▶ GetaGrip, replying to LGDTLK, 10, #7 of 366 🔗

God how I miss getting my space invaded.

The answer is to get a dog. I have a Beagle and he clearly doesn’t give a toss whether I’m carrying Covid or not.

8407 ▶▶▶ ianp, replying to GetaGrip, 4, #8 of 366 🔗

Surprised no one has said dogs have got covid. Guess that just a rung down too far for the media, as if they haven’t stoop low enough

8233 BobUSA, replying to BobUSA, 7, #9 of 366 🔗

Greetings from Sunny Southern California,
The mayor of Los Angeles has extended the shut down through July.
Here’s a skeptical item about the unsustainability of lockdowns in a recent Foreign Affairs that endorses the Swedish model:
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/sweden/2020-05-12/swedens-coronavirus-strategy-will-soon-be-worlds?utm_medium=newsletters&utm_source=twofa&utm_campaign=Only%20Saving%20Lives%20Will%20Save%20Livelihoods&utm_content=20200515&utm_term=FA%20This%20Week%20-%20112017

8237 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to BobUSA, 2, #10 of 366 🔗

No chance you guys can do a Wisconsin, Bob ?

8238 Mark, replying to Mark, 18, #11 of 366 🔗

Administrative memo

Lessons from the 2020 Covid19 panic
Implementing neo-nudging to preserve constructive and rational discussion of policy proposals

Circulation: Dept heads, team leaders
Date: 15th May 2030

[Usage note; reference to “nudging” was widely viewed as in very poor taste in the immediate aftermath of the chaos create by the panic policies implemented during 2020 and the economic collapse, famines and unrest that followed. The term was associated with government opinion manipulation policies widely blamed for encouraging the mass delusion. However, we consider enough time has now passed since the Coventry mass trials of the perpetrators and the subsequent exemplary (and, some have argued, excessively harsh) punishments handed down, for the term to be rehabilitated in this modified form.]

Continuing the process of disseminating the results of analysis of the causative factors In the 2020 Panic and implementing procedures designed to protect against any recurrence, these guidelines set out policy discussion meeting management protocols for staff and advisory meetings, for immediate implementation.

A major factor in the 2020 failure of governments and societies to protect rational discussion from disruption by immature sentimentality was identified as the failure to robustly shut down particularly damaging, irrational but emotionally manipulative assertions and lines of argument. Accordingly, management and leadership staff are required to respond strongly and rapidly to any of the following examples whenever encountered, as specified in each case. Treating the perpetrators like children is considered an appropriate response to their failure to reason like an adult, but since the perpetrators are not actually children, the use of mild corporal punishment widely considered to be no longer acceptable with actual children, is authorised, in accordance with policy document 4258763 Reasonable Chastisement of Junior Staff.

Outburst: “you can’t put a price on human life”
Required response: ”Go stand in the corner”
Outburst: “but herd immunity is just darwinism – the survival of the fittest”
Required response: “Be quiet while the grownups are talking”
Outburst: “if it saves one life it’s worth it”
Required response: “You’ve been told!”
Outburst: “but safety is everything”
Required response: “Life isn’t safe. Grow up!”
Outburst: “you wouldn’t say that if it was your grandmother dying”
Required response: “What do you think this is, a nursery class or a policy discussion?”
Outburst: “But it’s not about fear, it’s about responsibility for the vulnerable”
Required response: “You’re not fooling anyone, you know.”
Outburst: “Won’t somebody please think of the old people!”
Required response: “Get out! And don’t come back!”

8239 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 2, #12 of 366 🔗

A bit of light-hearted, politically incorrect science fiction….

8259 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, 2, #13 of 366 🔗

Very good, Mark.

But I was waiting (hoping) for the SCHWACK ! at the end.

8264 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to JohnB, #14 of 366 🔗

Actually there were s all through when I dashed it off, but I forgot the software would treat the as HTML and didn’t leave spaces, so they all disappeared. Duh!

8266 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, #15 of 366 🔗

Looks like > and < disappear even if you leave spaces. Huh! I'll try that again with square brackets:

Actually there were [slap]s all through when I dashed it off, but I forgot the software would treat the brackets as HTML and didn’t leave spaces, so they all disappeared. Duh!

8241 Biker, replying to Biker, 7, #16 of 366 🔗

i don’t care about the virus, i don’t care if i’ve had it, i don’t care if i haven’t, i don’t care if you’ve died from it, i don’t care if i die from it, i don’t care if you’re scared, i’m don’t care about the NHS, i don’t care about the community, i don’t care about the Beatles, i don’t care about dead presidents, i don’t care about Boris Johnston, i don’t care about my neighbours, i don’t care what the law says, i don’t care about masks, i don’t care about vaccinations, i don’t care about pollution, i don’t care about other countries, i don’t care about the council, i don’t care about the internet, i don’t care about Africa, i don’t care about polar bears, i don’t care about islam, i don’t care about christians, i don’t care about jews, i don’t care about far out religions practiced by Hollywood Superstars, i don’t care David Bowie is dead, i don’t care about global warming, i care about me, Yoko and me, and Great Britain.

8246 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Biker, #17 of 366 🔗

Don’t your neighbours live in GB, Biker ?

8249 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to JohnB, -1, #18 of 366 🔗

yeah but i don’t care about them because they’re here with their three kids and their mother from Poland all of them on benefits using our schools and the piss poor NHS, they’re not British and their not welcome and i don’t care for paying for them when you consider my wife, my daughter and my self have a combined working life of 75 years and yet they come and sponge of me so No i don’t care about them.

8591 ▶▶▶▶ ianp, replying to Biker, 2, #19 of 366 🔗

Sorry, can’t agree with you there. You’re as furious as the rest of us here but are misdirecting your anger.

My parents were both from Poland, they arrived after WW2, now passed away. I was born here in England. Both my parents worked hard to give me a future, and I myself have worked my entire life as well, contributing to the government and economy. People just want freedom and opportunity.

Better directed at those who want to divide us and injected the population with fear i say

And no, I am no tree hugging hippy… I work in a more corporate world.

8314 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Biker, 2, #20 of 366 🔗

I care about pollution, and is polar bears went extinct it would be a shame.

8326 ▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to Jonathan Castro, 12, #21 of 366 🔗

Me too, I care about most things, and currently I really care that the strategy we are following is hurting all the people it purported to care about.

8684 ▶▶ Quentin, replying to Biker, #22 of 366 🔗

You should probably start caring about the internet, it has proven ratehr vital for us sceptics to share our views and kp each other sane. A censor free unsurveilled internet which is not buried under layers of advertising crap (so we’ve got quite a few things to fix) is vital to a civilised future. Wikipedia is a good project. Technical forums are very useful. Blogs are good fun to read. And where else are you going to find a wide enough range of products on sale to be able to buy some rare little special component necessary to fix your car/fridge/computer? Faecesbook on the other hand is not worth caring about.

8243 RDawg, replying to RDawg, 36, #23 of 366 🔗

Wow Toby! Where do you find the hours in the day? Amazing stuff, I dare say award-winning journalism. You and Simon Dolan are the reasons I still have hope the truth will come out eventually, and the lockdown will be ruled as both unlawful and critically, as causing far more deaths than the virus itself.

I have really had enough of this lockdown. I even designed my own t-shirt to wear in protest. It doesn’t hold back. Check it out here…

https://twitter.com/wewillbefree82/status/1261302261042622471?s=21

8327 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to RDawg, 5, #24 of 366 🔗

I’m also mulling ‘Human, Social, Not Distant’

8328 ▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to BecJT, 11, #25 of 366 🔗

Or
Humans are social
Not distant

8244 Will Jones, replying to Will Jones, 7, #26 of 366 🔗

The 19 million claim is almost certainly wrong. The Cambridge model used by the government that is being reported on today predicts 20% of Londoners infected https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/londons-r-rate-now-lowest-in-country-as-city-records-24-new-coronavirus-cases-a-day-a4441216.html , which sounds about right and is the same as New York. It also chimes with the 10% infections in London back in mid-April that Patrick Vallance says preliminary antibody survey results show. It would be very surprising if more than 20% of London has had the virus, and that is the UK’s worst affected area. You are right to say that herd immunity has been reached though – the Liverpool model shows why that would be true.

8271 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Will Jones, #27 of 366 🔗

Are you adjusting for how long it takes antibodies to appear (4 to 5 weeks) and for how rapidly the percentage immune grows after about 5%?

8292 ▶▶▶ Will Jones, replying to guy153, 4, #28 of 366 🔗

Current research suggests antibodies appear around 7 days after symptoms and given the now widely accepted 5-6 day incubation it means antibodies appear on average 12 days after infection. See the Swedish antibody survey https://www.scilifelab.se/news/new-study-confirms-that-10-percent-of-the-stockholm-population-has-antibodies-against-sars-cov-2/ and this study
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7184973/

8391 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Will Jones, 4, #29 of 366 🔗

Thanks. I was basing my figures off a professional-looking graph someone sent me but I don’t have a better reference than that.

The picture that seems to be emerging is that this disease tops out at around 0.1% PFR in the worse affected places with an immunity level of perhaps only 30%, which will have been affected by the changes in behaviour.

Based on what I said above about how halving your infectious time with something as simple as staying at home for a couple of days when you’re ill, and how this reduces the herd immunity threshold from 60% to 20%, I think we can explain the apparently mysterious result that the lockdowns don’t have much observable effect.

As soon as R is below 1 it doesn’t make much difference how much it is below 1, because at that point you kill the growth.

The lockdowns were “too” late in most places by which I mean by the time they started R was already reduced by partial population immunity. It then takes only very mild behaviour changes to get below 1. This is why Sweden has the same results as Italy. Maybe R was 0.8 in one place and 0.2 in the place with stricter controls. It doesn’t make much difference to the outcome once they’re both below 1. That same difference of 0.6 would be much more significant if you had 1.5 in one place and 0.9 in the other.

This is why if we did go right back to normal life as it was in January we probably would get a bunch more deaths as things reached a higher herd immunity threshold. But to prevent that we only need very minor adaptations, which will happen automatically anyway because of all the fear created around this thing.

8441 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will Jones, replying to guy153, 1, #30 of 366 🔗

The Sweden antibody survey I link to suggests 10% infection in Stockholm county at the end of March. That works out to be the peak of infection there suggesting the final antibody rate will be a bit more than double that as the curve is slower on the way down. If so that makes Stockholm higher than London or New York despite being less dense, suggesting you may be right about HIT being higher without lockdown. I’ll be really interested in what Belarus’s antibody rate looks like, where social distancing has been even less observed.

8464 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Will Jones, 1, #31 of 366 🔗

We’ll find out more about London when things are properly published, and also when testing has been done after the epidemic has settled down, where it’s less sensitive to estimates of how long it takes for antibodies to appear and you’re not having to predict final outcomes. But yes whatever it is at the peak it should be about double that at the end.

I think the ONS are going to be doing regular testing, and other governments around the world will be as well, with big sample sizes.

They’re also doing regular random PCR testing to get an idea of numbers currently infected and how it’s changing.

The government’s policy of “Alert Level = R + Num Infected”, or more precisely, “Alert Level = Some vague unknown function of R and Num Infected” is actually encouragingly rational. If the ONS keep doing those surveys, they will have good data to estimate both of those variables (using the same simple method as the Manchester guys used to estimate “average daily infection rate”, but their data will be better).

This will be the first time the policy is based on actual evidence not spooky speculation or modelling. The challenge for them will just to be not to overreact (fine-tuning of that vague function that they call “+”). Those variables will tell them directly what the actual epidemic is doing.

Comparing what we get from antibody testing with the regression analysis that the Manchester guys did (which will be improved in accuracy as we have more tests) may then actually be able to give a hint as to whether there is an innate immunity effect (significant numbers of people who are immune but don’t test positive for the antibodies).

8564 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to guy153, 4, #32 of 366 🔗

Nicola Sturgeon said a classic – “we don’t know what the R number is but it is too high”. Not one journalist (haha) in the briefing even questioned her comment.

8906 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will Jones, replying to guy153, #33 of 366 🔗

I’ve found more accurate Stockholm death data https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7184973/ and that puts peak deaths on 6 April so peak infections (on 21 March) come well before the 10% antibody survey relating to 31 March. This means Stockholm may come in below 20% antibodies. They’re doing another survey at the moment so we’ll see what that shows.

8313 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Will Jones, 3, #34 of 366 🔗

“The 19 million claim is almost certainly wrong.” Are you saying it’s too high?

Maybe too high for the antibodies test, but I don’t think too high for people who have been ‘exposed’ to the virus, or who have even ‘resisted’ the virus.

8363 ▶▶▶ Will Jones, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #35 of 366 🔗

Yes too high for antibodies. Agree, too low for exposed probably.

8245 Mark, replying to Mark, 17, #36 of 366 🔗

Wow, Luke Johnson was great on QT, to judge from that Mirror summary and clip. Almost makes me think about reconsidering my longstanding decision to stop watching the BBC state indoctrination channel. Then I see the performance of Bruce and the straightforwardly mendacious references to Sweden by Devi Sridhar, and I think: nah, I’ll just rely on people like Toby to let me know if I miss anything.

8293 ▶▶ South Coast Worker, replying to Mark, 32, #37 of 366 🔗

I started watching and the same old tired nonsense of “tell that to the families” etc. That is such faux sincere bollocks. Millions of people die everyday, it’s human nature to effectively ignore it. Otherwise we’d be in a state of perpetual terror and grief. Which is basically where we are now I suppose.

8343 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to South Coast Worker, 15, #38 of 366 🔗

Yes, it’s the dishonest sentimentality – fake emotion – that really burns.

8251 Cheezilla, 10, #39 of 366 🔗

I steeled myself to watch Question Time last night. Luke Johnson managed to get the important questions in, though they were unfortunately quickly eclipsed by the nauseating Tory self-congratulation of Stephen Barclay, the pointlessness of Bridget Phillipson’s comments and the semi-articulate ramblings of the seriously uninformed Mick Cash. I have to watch Devi Sridhar through gritted teeth. She (and her confederates) has a LOT to answer for.

Luke Johnson currently ranks as one of my heroes!

8252 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 50, #40 of 366 🔗

Well Done Holywell Village First School in Whitley Bay. Your proposed treating of small kids amount to child abuse. As you are well aware there is no evidence of children infecting others, but you prefer to believe that they are germ ridden and should be treated as such. Shame on you.

8258 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 37, #41 of 366 🔗

I agree. The last point about ‘toileting accidents’ really, really? So you’re an adult and a child in distress has an accident and you just leave them. Disgusting and disgraceful.

8274 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Victoria, 23, #42 of 366 🔗

Tell you what, this shit is really brining home how much most teachers actually hate children.

8284 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Farinances, 4, #43 of 366 🔗

See my post of a few minutes ago, which is a link to a site highlighting what a Quebec school is mandating for their pupils. It’s scary, dystopian stuff.

8310 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Farinances, 13, #44 of 366 🔗

You have to understand that teachers believe that the perfect school should be modelled on the Nightingale hospitals – i.e. without any users!

8355 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Farinances, 11, #45 of 366 🔗

I honestly think they’re so busy being scared for their lives that they’ve forgotten about the children.
Those rules can’t possibly have been devised by someone who works with reception kids.

8329 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to Victoria, 28, #46 of 366 🔗

Plus, it is NOT children’s job to make adults feel safe, it is adults’ job to keep children safe. Anything else is child abuse.

8368 ▶▶▶ paulito, replying to BecJT, 19, #47 of 366 🔗

Hello BecJT. This typifies the utter hypocrisy of those people who support the lockdown because “you can’t put a price on human life”. when they are only concerned about their own. These people are prepared to traumatise defenceless kids to protect themselves. They make me vomit.

8387 ▶▶▶ Nigel Baldwin, replying to BecJT, 7, #48 of 366 🔗

Having them sit in chalk squares is also abuse. Reminds me of some very weird, distressing Play(s) for Today from the sixties and seventies. (Showing my age. )

8358 ▶▶ paulito, replying to Victoria, 13, #49 of 366 🔗

These people should be barred from the teaching profession for life. Utter monsters.

8408 ▶▶ ianp, replying to Victoria, #50 of 366 🔗

Had to be a spoof surely? As much as the primitive sheep were manipulated into Fear, be equally watchful of the righteously pissed off (us) being manipulated down the slope.

Don’t put anything past these MSM creatures once they know which side their bread should be buttered.

8260 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 36, #51 of 366 🔗

Wow!!! Is that post from Holywell Village First School in Whitley Bay for real or a spoof?

Reading this is depressing – its tantamount to child abuse and a return to the bad old days of orphanages and schools that Charles Dickens described so vividly in novels like Oliver Twist. In addition this regime of excessive cleanliness and OCD disinfecting will ensure that children will have even weaker immune systems and catch every cold and bug going.

Just let them be kids for God’s sake. As that washing powder advert said it best – “dirt is good”

8294 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bart Simpson, 35, #52 of 366 🔗

Just to remind people that here in Sweden schools have stayed open, and there have not been mass epidemics or deaths in schools. To the best of my knowledge (from newspaper reports & TV) only ONE schoolchild has died – a child who already had leukaemia…

8298 ▶▶ Carausius, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #53 of 366 🔗

It appears to be for real. The exact wording of the toilet section is:
‘If they fall over or have a toileting accident they will be encouraged to change themselves and clean their scrape or cut. We have sourced PPE … which is for use only for staff protection should a child vomit, not for trips, falls or scrapes . If it is not possible for the child to clean themselves in the event of an accident the parent will be called to collect them so they can do that at home’ The document is signed by the current headteacher of the school. Worth remembering these provisions all apply to Reception and Year 1 children – that’ll leave them with some enduring memories of their first experiences of school.

However, on the plus side it would seem that thanks to a fusillade of negative comments from parents the original post has now been removed.

8427 ▶▶▶ paulito, replying to Carausius, 8, #54 of 366 🔗

Have the Government nothing to say about these inhuman proposals. The facts taht children don’t get infected nor infect adults should be rammed down those people’s miserable throats. They should be told in no uncertain terms that if they impose this monstrous plan, they’ll be out of a job and baaned from teaching. And if they still don’t get the message, a prosecution for child abuse will be brought. If anybody refuses to do the job they’re paid for to avoid a nonexistent threat they should be immediately removed.

8555 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to paulito, #55 of 366 🔗

Of course children infect adults – or do you imagine the virus has some magic way of interrogating its new host about their age before it activates itself?

8448 ▶▶▶ paulito, replying to Carausius, 6, #56 of 366 🔗

Hope the parents took screenshots. The Headteacher who signed this odious document should already be seeking alternative employment.

8315 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #57 of 366 🔗

It certainly passes the sniff test of truth in this paranoid society overrun with hysterical tabbard-wearing Karens.

I listened to this week’s Sounding Board podcast, one of the guys on there was talking about what his kid’s school is proposing, and it’s very very similar.

8261 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 16, #58 of 366 🔗

James Delingpole’s article (link above) ‘why I won’t clap for the NHS’ is brilliant

8263 ▶▶ freddie, replying to Victoria, 1, #59 of 366 🔗

Sorry, where is the link – would really like to read that piece.

8307 ▶▶▶ RDawg, replying to freddie, 2, #60 of 366 🔗

In Toby’s main newsletter (today’s update). Not in the comments.

8316 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Victoria, 8, #62 of 366 🔗

It is. James is having a good war, to the extent that he’s almost made up for being so bad on Boris over the last year. Some of us always knew BoJo would be a useless invertebrate liberal. We just liked that he’s funny. Now he isn’t even that.

8376 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to AidanR, 15, #63 of 366 🔗

I foolishly voted for Johnson and the Conservatives at the election because I was worried about Corbyn.

I thought Corbyn would drive the country off the cliff, crash the economy, escalate the national debt, create an overbearing state, crush civil liberties and care for nothing except the sacred NHS. Johnson did all those things to a far greater degree than I ever thought possible under Corbyn.

8416 ▶▶▶▶ ianp, replying to James007, 3, #64 of 366 🔗

Ok, I know it’s crap but this is and always was a world political game, not just UK on its own. What would cuddly corbyn or starmer have done? We would be in an even stricter lockdown, for even longer.. Labour don’t have a leg to stand on here

Exhibit for expected behaviour before backing down , one N Sturgeon

8435 ▶▶▶▶ South Coast Worker, replying to James007, 8, #65 of 366 🔗

This lockdown was going to happen regardless, even if no one died. Countries where there have been zero deaths have had lockdowns in fact. Something else has driven all this.

8481 ▶▶▶▶▶ A Meshiea, replying to South Coast Worker, 2, #66 of 366 🔗

The crisis of the nation state legitimacy in the face of debt.

8420 ▶▶ nat, replying to Victoria, 2, #67 of 366 🔗

Very funny “Clap for the NHS” spoof by comedian Will Hislop

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/comedy/news/will-hislop-clap-for-carers-nhs-parody-video-lockdown-a9506541.html

I apologise if it has been posted already.

8262 Jane in France, replying to Jane in France, 31, #68 of 366 🔗

Here in France they passed a law a few years ago prohibiting women from wearing the niqab (the face covering with only the eyes showing) in the street. You could be fined for covering up your face like that. On the way back from my walk today I passed an Algerian woman in head scarf and covid face mask. As far as I can see, headscarf plus face mask equals niqab. All you could see were her eyes. Yet soon they might start fining us for not covering up our faces. I was rather pleased with myself for spotting the irony – there aren’t many bright spots in my day at the moment.

8269 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jane in France, 8, #69 of 366 🔗

contradiction. Imagine how crime in certain areas will increase, nobody would blink when they see masked people

8280 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Jane in France, 8, #70 of 366 🔗

This is why I think wearing a balaclava would be a good leveller. Are they gonna fine me for NOT looking like a criminal?

8320 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Farinances, 8, #71 of 366 🔗

Don’t forget to accessorize with a chainsaw

8371 ▶▶▶ paulito, replying to Farinances, 3, #72 of 366 🔗

Hello Farinances. I read your comment about wearing balcalvas this afternoon and I still laugh when I think about it. I’m seriously thinking about doing it.

8268 Victoria, 8, #73 of 366 🔗

What You Need to Know Before & After Vaccination – Ask 8 questions.

Under the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 [USA], nearly $3.6 billion has been awarded to children and adults for whom the risks of vaccine injury were 100%. Vaccines are pharmaceutical products that carry risks, which can be greater for some than others. NVIC encourages you to become fully informed about the risks and complications of diseases and vaccines and speak with one or more trusted health care professionals before making a vaccination decision.

1. Am I or my child sick right now?
2. Have I or my child had a bad reaction to a vaccination before?
3. Do I or my child have a personal or family history of vaccine reactions, neurological disorders, severe allergies or immune system problems?
4. Do I know the disease and vaccine risks for myself or my child?
5. Do I have full information about the vaccine’s side effects?
6. Do I know how to identify and report a vaccine reaction?
7. Do I know I need to keep a written record, including the vaccine manufacturer’s name and lot number, for all vaccinations?
8. Do I know I have the right to make an informed choice?

If you answered yes to questions 1, 2, and 3, or no to questions 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 and do not understand the significance of your answer, you may want to explore information on NVIC’s website to better understand the importance of your answer. These questions are designed to educate consumers about the importance of making fully informed vaccine decisions. Click here to learn more about the role of informed consent in vaccination.

https://www.nvic.org/Ask-Eight-Questions.aspx

8270 Cheezilla, 25, #74 of 366 🔗

From the German summary: “The collateral damage is meanwhile greater than any detectable benefits of the measures. The collateral damage is now gigantic. Much will become evident only later or in the more distant future.

The resilience of critical infrastructure, the veins and arteries of modern societies, is no longer a given. Our society is now vulnerable, for example, if there were a real pandemic.”

Sobering stuff and I’m sure it applies to the UK too.

8272 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 32, #75 of 366 🔗

I did wonder whether our painfully politically correct progressive education establishment would follow Quebec down the rabbit hole, and sure enough, it seems that they have, going by the report from Toby.
Here’s a link to an article that just five years ago would have been thought to be something out of a dystopian science fiction novel:

https://www.theorganicprepper.com/schools-after-covid-prison-camps/
What Will Schools Look Like After COVID? Prison Camps. They’ll Look Like Prison Camps.

“Schools in Quebec, Canada are reopening on May 19th and one school released its guidelines. This list was submitted by a parent to the Facebook page, Kate for Education. The school was not named for the privacy of the parent. (All emphasis is mine.)

Now if you’re saying to yourself, “This is in Canada. There’s no way this nonsense will happen here in America,” I urge you to remember that the lockdown restrictions in Canada are far less stringent than those in the United States. Look around at the ridiculous rules we already have like stores choosing what items are essential for us to buy. Then tell me “It can’t happen here.”

Here are those reopening guidelines.

To minimize movement, we forecast assigning students to classes nearest the Berlin Street entrance (on all 3 floors if needed only);
Once assigned to a class, students will spend their entire day (including lunchtime) in their assigned seats;
Students must expect to be regrouped based on the number of students returning;
Students must not expect to return to their regular class with their classmates;
Your child may not be with the same teachers as before as several members of our staff will not be returning to school;
Teachers not returning to school will continue working and keeping close contact with students remotely from home as recommended by the government;
Activities completed while in school will not be evaluated or graded;
No physical materials will be transported back and forth between home & school;
Students must include a mini garbage and recycling bag with their lunch in order to collect their personal garbage and dispose of it at home;
All students must bring in their personal, labeled, and filled water bottle as water fountains won’t be available;
Sharing of ALL items (pencils, pens, sharpeners, wax crayons, rulers, toys) is not permitted;
When weather permits, recess breaks will be held outdoors and will entail of walking outside safely distanced from one another in a prearranged pattern;
Gatherings (groups of students together) will not be permitted;
Limited travel throughout the school by all during the day;
Bathroom visits will be monitored/escorted so that proper disinfection by our caretakers can follow before another student uses the facilities;
As per government recommendations, masks and gloves will not be provided;
Students are certainly welcomed to bring these items from home. They are also invited to carry their own personal disinfecting wipes with them if they wish;
Lockers will no longer be used. Students will place their spring/summer jackets behind the chair they will be using & their school bags under their assigned desks;
There will be no cafeteria service or Home & School pizza & frozen yogurt days.
There will be no physical activity taking place in the gym, no art classes (although art and craft projects can be promoted as home suggestions), no library periods, and no drama classes;
No fundraisers or after school activities will take place;
Parent volunteers will not be permitted in school;
We recommend your child brings a book or two of interest from home to read;
Students with fever or flu-like symptoms will be returned home.”

I’d like to know the scientific and epidemiological rationale behind these kinds of rules for a section of the population that the virus barely touches, and if it does, in such tiny numbers that without the constant reporting we’d never even notice it.
If there’s a way to terrorise our children, and make them constantly afraid of being near other people, other children, this is it. The people who have come up with these rules are dangerous idiots, and should have absolutely nothing to do with the education of anyone, let alone vulnerable children.

8300 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Lms23, 16, #76 of 366 🔗

..and yet schools in Sweden have remained open, but there have been no reports of hoards of dead children or their relatives.. And do remember that Sweden has quite a lot of children of foreign-born parents, living in multi-generational households..

8351 ▶▶ James007, replying to Lms23, 13, #77 of 366 🔗

What a depressing list of regulations. The authors of these dictats have a responsibility to provide evidence to justify them.

Yet only evidence I’ve seen so far regarding children and COVID-19 is that risks are negligible. Children are far more at risk of serious illness due to a road accident travelling to the school.

To frighten children, withdraw their education and then produce these pedantic regulations they must obey is a shameful, incompetent and damaging.
This is a huge failure. It must never be forgotten.

8362 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lms23, 8, #78 of 366 🔗

“When weather permits, recess breaks will be held outdoors and will entail of walking outside safely distanced from one another in a prearranged pattern;”

Ar “recess breaks” what used to be called PLAYTIME?
Scary stuff!!!

8273 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 24, #79 of 366 🔗

Insanity still escalating exponentially in states like California. The rulers there say a cure needs to be found before the serfs can expect to be ‘allowed’ to get back to normal.

The state of Georgia re-opened 3 weeks ago though. Guess what? No impact!

More here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIf2audbX0Q

Thank heavens for Tucker Carlson.

8285 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #80 of 366 🔗

AN other lockdown sceptic: Indeed. Tucker Carlson Tonight is the only show I watch.

8342 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Lms23, 6, #81 of 366 🔗

I thinks it was someone on Tucker’s show that said ‘the virus goes when Trump goes’…definitely a political pandemic over there…

8275 Tim Bidie, 9, #82 of 366 🔗

I picked up a twitter link on yesterday’s thread which led me to this early pre-print draft of a report (‘accepted’ 07 May 2020):

‘Importantly, we detected SARS-CoV-2−reactive CD4+ T cells in ~40-60% of unexposed individuals, suggesting cross-reactive T cell recognition between circulating ‘common cold’ coronaviruses and SARS-CoV-2.’

https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(20)30610-3.pdf

Why is this important?

‘Cross-reactive immunity to influenza strains has been modeled to be a critical influencer of susceptibility to newly emerging, potentially pandemic, influenza strains (Gostic et al., 2016). Given the severity of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, it has been modeled that any degree of crossprotective coronavirus immunity in the population could have a very substantial impact on the overall course of the pandemic, and the dynamics of the epidemiology for years to come (Kissler et al., 2020).’ (Ref. above)

So rough order of magnitude 50% of Britain already has immunity to Covid 19 from other common cold coronaviruses.

How completely counterintuitive that circulating common cold coronaviruses could potentially have cross reactive immunity with another circulating coronavirus with mortality closely corresponding to common cold mortality by age group……..or not really, if Covid 19 is another common cold coronavirus….

Oh! Didn’t somebody already say that is what Covid 19 is…..on 06 Feb 2020…in Hong Kong (only 4 Covid 19 deaths to date) and who was he…Prof John Nicholls, Professor of clinical pathology and coronavirus expert, University of Hong Kong.

Oh for heaven’s sake!

Professor John Nicholls details and opinions Here:

http://www.patho.hku.hk/staff/list/nicholls.html

https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/coronavirus-expert-says-the-virus-will-burn-itself-out-in-about-6-months/679415

https://www.fwdeveryone.com/t/puzmZFQGRTiiquwLa6tT-g/conference-call-coronavirus-expert

https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/higher-temperatures-affect-survival-of-new-coronavirus-pathologist-says/700800

8276 guy153, replying to guy153, 16, #83 of 366 🔗

An observation about R0 and immunity thresholds that I think is worth making:

Most data about the virus (and what models assume) indicate that you are infectious for about 4 days.

This means that if you “self-isolate” for only 2 of them (or take a couple of days off work because you’re feeling ill as we used to call it) you halve R0.

If R0 was 2.5 under normal circumstances, just those two days off would take it to 1.25 and reduce the population immunity threshold from 60% to only 20%.

This would more than halve the total number of deaths in the population, and be more than enough to suppress the virus even under some of the more pessimistic estimates of current immunity levels going around.

Never mind two weeks of “self-quarantining”, if you only manage to stay at home for a couple of days, the effect is profound.

This is literally all we need in the “new” normal. I always take a day or two off work when I have a virus anyway. I find I feel a bit ill and don’t much want to work anyway. It’s not a great cost to the economy or to liberty to do this.

8279 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to guy153, 20, #84 of 366 🔗

EXACTLY!!

Peoole just er…. need to stay at home if they’re ill until they feel better!

LOL. Why does common sense feel so revolutionary now

8454 ▶▶▶ ScuzzaMan, replying to Farinances, 5, #85 of 366 🔗

in the empire of lies, truth is treason

8319 ▶▶ Albie, replying to guy153, 22, #86 of 366 🔗

Would it be correct to place pro-lockdowners into 2 broad groups: a) those furloughed and think they have a job to eventually return to, enjoying being paid 80% for nothing, privately punching the air when death numbers and the R rate rises but publicly make out they are deeply compassionate and abuse anyone who dares question the context or validity of SAGE and Government statistics, and b) uncritical, gullible, panic-consumed “I’m terrrrrified!” cowerers, those of whom, when they do venture outdoors, look like they are going to an astronomy themed fancy dress party as Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin off on an Apollo mission.

8322 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Albie, 6, #87 of 366 🔗

Yes, I think that analysis is spot on.

8331 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Albie, 4, #88 of 366 🔗

Spot on

8332 ▶▶▶ South Coast Worker, replying to Albie, 16, #89 of 366 🔗

You’re giving a lot of people too much credit. Unfortunately they really are thick enough to believe we are on the brink of the apocalypse and this lockdown strategy is the only way to avoid it,

8335 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Albie, 6, #90 of 366 🔗

People I know on furlough would far rather be working

8380 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Albie, 8, #91 of 366 🔗

To be fair a lot of how people respond depends on the information they’ve received and also on their underlying inclinations.

Those naturally given to a bit of hypochondria worry about the virus which has a low chance of hurting them. But some of us (including myself at times), more predisposed to anxiety about society and government overreach, worry about things like compulsory tracking and vaccination. Rationally these things have an equally low chance of happening. So we aren’t that different, we just get vexed about different things, and it’s important to see both sides.

There’s also nothing wrong with a bit of ranting. I’m just saying don’t take it too seriously.

But anyone, whatever they think about this virus, should be able to see that lockdowns are a catastrophically bad reaction to the problem.

8415 ▶▶▶▶ ianp, replying to guy153, 4, #92 of 366 🔗

I wouldn’t be so sure about the tracking being low chance y’know…, Forget the vaccine crap, even if there was one, that feels like a stalling tactic at moment. Check your phone location settings and there’s a rather interesting option on there to do with Bluetooth (Android). Already.

We are in the world of big data and surveillance. Don’t put it past any of them

8455 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to ianp, #93 of 366 🔗

Agree smartphones are already a bit worrying. But nobody’s forcing us to carry them. If they cross that line I’ll join you out in the street burning things!

8525 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ianp, replying to guy153, 1, #94 of 366 🔗

Well, I don’t think you can, realistically. After all I am replying to this on my smartphone… Otherwise, I would be indoors which is where you don’t want to be. Catch 22

There’s a single goal being played out here for sure, but I reckon there are 2 paths to it at least

Stay alert and follow the money I say.

And… Another coincidence? During lockdown, I see all the local lampposts have been replaced with energy efficient ones else I am dreaming and they weren’t there before or didn’t notice how quickly it happened.

Easy to get paranoid these days…;)

8570 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to guy153, 1, #95 of 366 🔗

Yes but if you voluntary self-isolate or self-quarantine you will not qualify for the compensation from your local authority as stated in the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984.

Under this act there are quite a few hoops the doctors, the local authority and a Justice of the Peace have to go through to isolate or quarantine you as an individual including you have the exact illness specified in the Statutory Instrument the Coronavirus Act 2020 but the test does not exist – this legislation is misnamed, it is not an act of parliament).

Premises also have to be closed individually after similar hoops have gone through and compensation is also payable.

In the legislation:

In the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 it states in Section 20:

Stopping of work to prevent spread of disease

(1)With a view to preventing the spread of—
(a)a notifiable disease, or
(b)a disease to which subsection (1) of section 23 of the [1955 c. 16 (4 & 5 Eliz. 2).] Food and Drugs Act 1955 applies,the proper officer of the local authority for any district may by notice in writing request any person to discontinue Ms work.
(2)The local authority shall compensate a person who has suffered any loss in complying with a request under this section, and section 57(2), (3) and (4) below shall apply to any dispute arising under this subsection.

And in a different section:

PART VI
General

57General provision for compensation
(1)A local authority shall make full compensation to any person who has sustained damage by reason of the exercise by the authority, in relation to a matter as to which that person has not himself been in default, of any of their powers under a relevant provision of this Act; but this subsection does not affect the discretion of a local authority under section 31(4) above in a case to which that subsection applies.
(2)Subject to subsection (3) below, any dispute arising under this section as to the fact of damage, or as to the amount of compensation, shall be determined by arbitration.
(3)If the compensation claimed does not exceed £50, all questions as to the fact of damage, liability to pay compensation and the amount of compensation may, on the application of either party, be determined by, and any compensation awarded may be recovered before, a magistrates’ court.
(4)In an arbitration under this section, the reference shall be to a single arbitrator appointed by agreement between the parties or, in default of agreement, by the Secretary of State.
58Form of notices and other documents
(1)All notices, orders and other documents authorised or required by or under this Act to be given, made or issued by a local authority, and all notices and applications authorised or required by or under this Act to be given or made to or to any officer of a local authority, shall be in writing.
(2)The Secretary of State may by regulations made by statutory instrument prescribe the form of any notice, certificate or other document to be used for the purposes of this Act, and, if forms are so prescribed, those forms or forms to the like effect may be used in all cases to which those forms are applicable.

9117 ▶▶ steve__m, replying to guy153, #96 of 366 🔗

But R is an empirical figure calculated after it was understood by many that the virus is infectious.

People were washing hands, avoiding hand-shakes and staying home when ill long before the lockdown began. Yet R was above 2 right up until the start of the lockdown.

8277 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 13, #97 of 366 🔗

Further to Toby’s comment about using the ruse of having a house-viewing to see friends I have just discovered the reality of attempting to organise an actual house viewing: you have to sign a ‘Health Assessment Form’ and read an eight page document. After reading this drivel, I am having heart palpitations. I despair …

8281 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to kh1485, 1, #98 of 366 🔗

And, if you do not comply with the “strict viewing protocol”, the viewing will be suspended …

8306 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to kh1485, 4, #99 of 366 🔗

“Viewing protocol”. It’s comical.

So you get chucked out for standing too close to a wall or using a door handle?

8333 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to James007, 12, #100 of 366 🔗

That’s what it looks like. And you know what, the couldn’t give a shit* part of me really wants to test that out. I forwarded the instruction manual to a friend and he said he gave up the will to live by page 3. I’m sorry, but this is getting bloody ridiculous. Leaving young kids who have an accident to their own devices and being given an 8 page instruction manual just to go and look at a house.

*s’cuse language but I am now getting angry.

8337 ▶▶▶▶▶ James007, replying to kh1485, 2, #101 of 366 🔗

I’m really unclear what the distinction between government advice and the law is.
It seems to be very blurry. If the government advises something, all organisations and people seem to follow as a legal text.

8369 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to James007, 2, #102 of 366 🔗

That’s easy. The law is considered for a time, then written down. The government make up the guidelines on the hoof, to answer journalists quesitons.

8384 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #103 of 366 🔗

Sadly with an 80 seat majority that’s pretty much how lawmaking works as well. Somebody was talking or petitioning about whether we needed a constitution the other day.

All this is going to be torture for the millions of people who will be trying to get new jobs in this environment. Having to pay lip service through gritted teeth to all the BS that got them sacked in the first place is going to cause its own epidemic of apoplectic rage.

8445 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ James007, replying to guy153, 4, #104 of 366 🔗

In a police state law enforcers take their orders directly from government ministers. There is no debate there is no discussion.
In other words government advice becomes law and all organisations follow it without question.

8377 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, 1, #105 of 366 🔗

Anything that doesn’t kill us, makes us stronger. 🙂

8399 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TheRisksITakeAreNoneOfTheirBusiness, replying to JohnB, 1, #106 of 366 🔗

It only makes us stronger AFTER we’ve had the experience of throwing it off and telling the hi-vis Hitlers where to put the more ludicrous of their “guidelines”.

8367 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, 2, #107 of 366 🔗

And only one viewer, which will make couples less than enthusiastic.

8303 ▶▶ James007, replying to kh1485, 14, #108 of 366 🔗

Is it SAGE advising on these rules?

Perhaps they have decided that houseviewings are more dangerous than tradesmen visiting a property. I had someone round today to quote for repairing windows. He said his trade association advised he respect all social distancing rules(/laws) but he was otherwise free to visit properties.

By the way, if I wrote a dystopian novel, I would think “SAGE” would be the perfect name for an organisation who represent “The Science”, The single truth, the light of the world, by which all things are illuminated and whose advise is final and automatically law.

8317 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to James007, 4, #109 of 366 🔗

I keep trying to think of a joke about SAGE and stuffing, but it won’t quite come …

8344 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to JohnB, 7, #110 of 366 🔗

Ferguson know all about the latter, that’s why he had to resign…

8438 ▶▶▶▶▶ South Coast Worker, replying to T. Prince, #111 of 366 🔗

Ferguson was pushed because he was undermining the credibility of this whole operation. A computer modeller should never be as famous as he had become.

8373 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, 2, #112 of 366 🔗

We’ve certainly been stuffed.

8372 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to James007, 1, #113 of 366 🔗

My friend had an appointment for BT engineers to fix her line. She was warned not to be alarmed because they would come wearing the near equivalent of hazmat suits. Unfortunately they fixed it outside, so she missed all the drama.

8365 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, #114 of 366 🔗

I understand the house owner has to leave the premises. (Ironic that!) Should go down well (not!) when the weather is less than idyllic.

8278 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 21, #115 of 366 🔗

“People should stop walking in the road to avoid fellow pedestrians, police have said, adding that “momentarily crossing paths with someone” will not give you coronavirus.”

Hooray! We need this trumpeting from the rooftops. Let’s hope the MSM start to point this out regularly till it eventually sinks in.

8289 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #116 of 366 🔗

Yes – I got a very dirty (and completely terrified) look from a lady who was weeding at the end of her drive as I walked past yesterday without stepping into the road.

8282 Cody, replying to Cody, 7, #117 of 366 🔗

TFL congestion charge rises to £15 from £11.50 next month,a 30% increase.Also now active from 7am until 10pm 7 days a week.A sign of things to come methinks.

8287 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Cody, 3, #118 of 366 🔗

Someone needs to tell those in power about the goose that laid golden eggs!

8414 ▶▶ ianp, replying to Cody, #119 of 366 🔗

Oh yes….

8283 James007, replying to James007, 23, #120 of 366 🔗

I had a response from my MP today. It seems I must “bear in mind” that most of his constituents want more lockdowns, because they worry they may die of a terrible plague.

“Yes we know we’ve been governing in a state of blind panic, but the essence of leadership is to terrify the people, work how the people feel, and then to follow them”

8406 ▶▶ RDawg, replying to James007, #121 of 366 🔗

Mine still hasn’t replied in two weeks.

8411 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to James007, 4, #122 of 366 🔗

Total silence from mine and I’ve been emailing every day.
So this is why people don’t vote.

8443 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to Farinances, #123 of 366 🔗

There was also a copy-paste of a summary of the government’s 5 criteria for easing the lockdown with links to government webpages, to reassure me that yes indeed, they do know what they’re doing, and I ought not to worry about it.

8601 ▶▶ ianp, replying to James007, #124 of 366 🔗

That’s a very crafty response… It is telling you to do what you think is right

8291 mantrid, replying to mantrid, 9, #125 of 366 🔗

Bajak and Howe are clearly going through Denial Phase of 5 Stages of Grief model. Just as MSM went through it right after Brexit or Trump’s victory. The joke ultimately will be on them because science is on our side – or rather we’ve been on science’s side from the beginning. In a year they’ll all have to eat their words.

Note also that more and more powerful entrepreneurs and millionaires are stepping up as skeptics too. They’d lost gargantuan amounts of money and they know it was for nothing.

8301 ▶▶ South Coast Worker, replying to mantrid, 5, #126 of 366 🔗

I admire your optimism but they’ll just double down like they are now and we’ll forever be known as mad conspiracy theories by people living in a world inexorably changed for the worse.

8312 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to South Coast Worker, #127 of 366 🔗

Still, mustn’t grumble ! 🙂

8352 ▶▶▶▶ South Coast Worker, replying to JohnB, 1, #128 of 366 🔗

That’s the spirit!

8302 A Meshiea, replying to A Meshiea, 26, #129 of 366 🔗

DIARY OF A COVIDIOT Friday May 16th

My trip to B&Q was significantly enhanced by the new one way traffic system and inevitable 2 meter floor tape as well as the unenthusiastic and fat store guards intimidatingly masked and grunting where and when I can move.
Whilst there a woman almost careened into a stack of paint cans while scowling at me for daring to go the wrong direction down a 4 meter wide isle for an item I had to restock. Of course I ignored the instruction on the wall “Please do not touch or pick up items unless you are going to purchase them.” I suppose it’s a bit like the ‘you broke it’s you buy it rule, only during the New Normal.
Inevitably I saw a police car put his lights on to pull over a van driver INSIDE the B&Q parking lot. Doubtless checking to see if he had a real reason to be there.
Thankfully I was pleasantly surprised to meet a stranger who had brought her adorable twin 1.5 year olds to play in the park and didn’t seem in the least concerned about getting close to me, my wife or our dog, happily interchanging petting of said dog and said kids with smiles. At least everyone hasn’t gone mad.

8324 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to A Meshiea, 15, #130 of 366 🔗

Yeah, B&Q is really something isn’t it? The Karens working in ours are like the trolley-dollies just after 9/11 – they imagine they’re the thin blue line between you and certain death, and they want everyone to know it.

I went to click and collect a bag of coach bolts. They forced me to use a trolley, so they could do contact-free fulfilment, because they’d run out of baskets. Naturally I dumped the thing as soon as I was out of sight of Karen3072-B.

8305 Fiat, 1, #131 of 366 🔗

Now I know I’ve gone mad. Johnny Logan – heavy metal! 🙂

8309 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 14, #132 of 366 🔗

You were very good on the IAI debate, Toby. I found Anne Johnson a bit infuriating (they all were to some extent) because she could only keep saying “It’s complicated” and seemed incapable of engaging with higher *ideas*. The mention of tens of millions of people starving versus the number of thousands that might die from the virus didn’t seem to register. No hint of any worry about what is going to happen to the global economy. No recognition that life for the entire world has been transformed into the real dystopian deal over a problem that she didn’t even deny was pretty much on the same scale as flu – and something she is complicit in, even if just through her passivity over the whole issue.

But the guy asking the questions was good.

The comparison between a flu-like illness (even if it was ten times worse than actual flu) and shutting down the entire economy is such a huge disparity, and such a huge idea, that it should animate anyone who considers it. It should not be dismissed as the result of “uncertainty” or “panic” – the validity of such excuses has long since past – but should make anyone who thinks about it very, very angry.

8323 ▶▶ Sceptic, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #133 of 366 🔗

Agree Toby made an excellent argument regarding the Lockdown cause. Interesting that Anne Johnson should finish by saying we will look back and decide the virus just ran its course and that some of the measures ‘may’ have been useful here and there. Looks as if she agrees with LS!

8325 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Barney McGrew, 8, #134 of 366 🔗

Agreed… I’m very glad Toby is doing all that he is.

8364 ▶▶ FiFiTrixabelle, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #135 of 366 🔗

Agreed! It was a great watch and Toby did the sceptics proud.

8318 BTLnewbie, #136 of 366 🔗

… nce to see if he has seen it there

8321 BTLnewbie, 3, #137 of 366 🔗

Sorry – comment got distorted. I was saying – loved the trousers/Tube photo, which would normally be a natural for mainstream media to pick up – wonder if any are brave enough. Ditto the spooky North Korean image of the French primary schoolchildren in their chalk squares the other day, which I’ve sent to my brother in France.

8330 BecJT, 3, #138 of 366 🔗

This is quite handy when discussing, five minutes of Chris Whitty telling you what not to do in a pandemic (from 2018) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBiGk4ORjhQ&t=182s

8334 grammarschoolman, replying to grammarschoolman, 5, #139 of 366 🔗

‘One thing that makes me slightly sceptical about these anecdotal reports is that I don’t get what the motive is.’

Surely to increase the death toll artificially, in order to pin more deaths on Boris. If every doctor added just one death to the list, just think how much bigger the overall toll would look.

8339 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to grammarschoolman, 4, #140 of 366 🔗

I’ve been looking, but the CQC have a points system, points mean prizes £££, this is why GPs drive Aston Martins. I’ve yet to get to the bottom of the CQC points system for Covid.

8418 ▶▶ nat, replying to grammarschoolman, 4, #141 of 366 🔗

I think it is to keep the public frightened and compliant.

8444 ▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to nat, 3, #142 of 366 🔗

I think it’s political backside covering. To justify what they’ve done.

8439 ▶▶ South Coast Worker, replying to grammarschoolman, 2, #143 of 366 🔗

The doctors are following the guidelines. Covid goes down on the DC if suspected or any symptoms shown. If someone is found positive, regardless if it contributed, it has to go down as it is a notifiable disease. Both these methods will inflate the numbers, and all will be included in the figures. We’ll never know the real figures, Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a third the total.

8562 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to South Coast Worker, 4, #144 of 366 🔗

I read the guidelines and concluded that if I got knocked down and killed right now, because I have hayfever symptoms they would probably register it as a covid death and parade me round on tv as YOUNG PEOPLE DIE TOO! !!

WHAT A BLOODY JOKE

8338 Anonymous, 2, #145 of 366 🔗

I received an interesting letter this morning, inviting me to take part in a Chinese Virus study, run by Imperial College and some global marketing firm. Anyone else receive the same?

8340 RDawg, replying to RDawg, 18, #146 of 366 🔗

Was thinking, once the cafes/pubs/restaurants open up again, and they WILL open up again, would anybody be open to meeting up? Would be great to put some faces to the names…

I live in London, but I’m not sure how practical that would be for people to get there. 🤔

Oh and how do you add a pic to your profile? I can’t work it out. 🤷🏻‍♂️

8346 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to RDawg, 3, #147 of 366 🔗

Totally. If anyone’s in the Shire of York I’d be up for it.
Re: profile pics you have to have a wordpress account. I just logged into my old dead account again, complete with ultra old pic lol. In the account settings it lets you change it etc.

8374 ▶▶ A13, replying to RDawg, 6, #148 of 366 🔗

Totally up for that. Londoner here.
I realised today that I don’t know anyone in person who would be sharing my views regarding lockdown so it would be nice to have face to face conversation with other like-minded people. My quite intelligent and well-educated friends will listen politely to what I have to say and admit that I might be right (time will tell), but their curiosity ends there.

8385 ▶▶▶ bluefreddy, replying to A13, 6, #149 of 366 🔗

I live in London and would be happy to meet up. My household of four adults are all now pretty fervent sceptics. We are going to investigate and potentially support the mass gathering in Hyde Park tomorrow.

8379 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to RDawg, 3, #150 of 366 🔗

Another Londoner here and will be happy to have a coffee with like minded people here.

Apart from my husband and a close friend, I don’t know anyone else who is a lockdown sceptic like me, most of my work colleagues seem to be pro-lockdown.

8394 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to RDawg, 2, #151 of 366 🔗

Not in London, but on a fast train route (do it all the time) and can’t imagine hotels will be turning away my business by hiking prices should they open, so I’m up for it.

8451 ▶▶ Gossamer, replying to RDawg, 6, #152 of 366 🔗

I live in London, and will certainly need some new friends. Many of my existing ones have proved disappointing, to say the least.

8496 ▶▶▶ Letmeout, replying to Gossamer, 1, #153 of 366 🔗

Mine too. Not too bothered about relaxing social distancing to see friends as not in a rush to see anyone after seeing their comments on WhatsApp and FB. Some of them are just plain nasty.

8453 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to RDawg, 1, #154 of 366 🔗

Agree. I’m in North West Essex (or South Cambridgeshire as some round here prefer to call it!)

8341 Oaks79, 10, #155 of 366 🔗

Journeyman Pictures with a 11 minute film about the Swedish approach, how lucky are these Swedes just getting on with life and drinking in bars eh ?

https://youtu.be/0UvFHDaVRQo

8348 Paul Steward, replying to Paul Steward, 37, #156 of 366 🔗

I feel the need as a primary school teacher here in the UK to say we are not all panic stricken and desperate to stay closed. My colleagues and I have spent today trying to work out how to allow the children to return to a enjoyable environment however the government is adding layer apon layer of regulations by the hour which is making this difficult. We would like to open to more year groups than suggested but this is not allowed. We are so keen to have the children back for a few weeks to allow them some kind of normality before the summer holidays. I and many like me cannot stand the ridiculously militant unions but I fear they may win the day.

8350 ▶▶ grammarschoolman, replying to Paul Steward, 6, #157 of 366 🔗

Presumably the extra regulations are solely the result of union pressure, not because the government actually wants them. Am I right?

8353 ▶▶▶ Paul Steward, replying to grammarschoolman, 15, #158 of 366 🔗

Yes I think so, mixed with parental pressure whipped up by media!

8359 ▶▶▶▶ James007, replying to Paul Steward, 11, #159 of 366 🔗

I think this is a government that follows rather than leads. Their main aim is to be popular protectors of the people.
The media and the government have been in a positive feedback loop fuelling this panic. For the first few weeks every press conference was ‘why are you not regulating more? Why are you not intervining more?’

8357 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Paul Steward, 12, #160 of 366 🔗

Stuff the regulations. Stuff the government.

8400 ▶▶▶ Stuff, replying to Jonathan Castro, 2, #161 of 366 🔗

Stuff the Media who caused the panic. Stuff the Government who listened too much to their bleating. Stuff the Bureaucrats who take guidelines to be laws. Stuff the Eichmann like Jobsworths who follow their rules. Stuff them all because Stuff needs to be got on with.

8370 ▶▶ FiFiTrixabelle, replying to Paul Steward, 16, #162 of 366 🔗

Great to hear from you Paul and no doubt there will be many brilliant teachers out there thinking and feeling the same. Unfortunately, once again, we are not hearing those sane voices above the noise and hysteria.

8393 ▶▶ Adele Bull, replying to Paul Steward, 2, #163 of 366 🔗

Exactly this.

8442 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to Paul Steward, 7, #164 of 366 🔗

Really feel for you, I appear to have (or have had) lots of teachers on my FB friends list, they are milking it to the nth degree. Hold firm if you can, there must be some sensible parents out there, or parents you can persuade to be sensible. What they are suggesting is imposed on children is cruel, it is not children’s job to make adults feel safe. It’s not their job to play along with an adult health pantomime to score political points. All this crowing about ‘key workers’ they are doing, whilst blithely failing to notice all those shop workers have managed to keep going, to service their lockdown, but they feel no obligation to do it themselves. They don’t want to hear about job losses, because people who could work (usually low paid, insecurely employed women), can’t work as they have no childcare. Or the attainment gap. Or at risk kids or SEN kids. I think it’ll boomerang on them eventually, particularly when it becomes apparent what this really is, and when other people start losing their jobs and they continue to split hairs whilst sat at home on full pay.

8559 ▶▶ James, replying to Paul Steward, #165 of 366 🔗

I have many gripes with the education system and it’s incessant tinkering by Politicians. After Toby’s newsletter yesterday including the ‘new normal regime’ to be adopted by a local primary school, it beggars belief they can’t see the long term damage this will do to children.

The UK not being known for its experimental or progressive nature could’ve changed that by trying other things such as outdoor classrooms to combat the dreaded lurgy. Not only is there ample evidence about the benefits of Vit D but it helps with myopia and breathing in all the problems with indoor air (VOC’s, Sick Building Syndrome etc etc).

An interesting article that notes the history of such schools:

Outdoor Classrooms – Time For A Comeback?
https://www.movementum.co.uk/journal/2019/9/4/outdoor-classroom

8360 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 29, #166 of 366 🔗

I find it so hilarious how lockdown zealots are still bleating at people to stay away from beauty spots. They’re enormous open areas and these people act like they’re tiny enclosed spaces. I can think of nothing better for health than going for a long, bracing ramble in the fresh air, getting the heart rate up and boosting one’s mood.

I live in a beauty spot and I welcome all visitors. Once shops/restaurants/cafes start opening more, visitors will need to be actively encouraged to come, as these businesses rely on tourists. I desperately don’t want to see my local economy tank and my home become a shabby ghost town.

I already find it devastating walking through the centre of a nearby town – shops not just shut but properly boarded up; some completely gutted of contents, and all devoid of life, light, vitality. It really is like those empty shopping centres you seen in zombie apocalypse films.

8378 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 14, #167 of 366 🔗

This is precisely what I was thinking when I saw that announcement from Northumberland Tourism pretty much telling non locals to stay away. I don’t think they realise what will happen as this goes on and on – businesses will collapse and people will be forced to move away leading to whole towns being depopulated and turned into ghost towns.

8392 ▶▶ Paul Steward, replying to Poppy, 14, #168 of 366 🔗

I too live in a ‘beauty spot’. Cornish coast, countryside and riverbanks all around. I’m horrified by my neighbours narrowing minds and growing hatred of ‘outsiders’ who’ve probably only left one of 2 local towns between 3 and 5 miles away. They seem to think they own the surrounding areas and bleat on about protecting ourselves. I walk my dog 4-5 miles locally on different routes daily and never meet more than a few people, there’s plenty of room for us all and I welcome them. I fear for when restrictions are lifted and tourists (and family members) are allowed to visit, what welcome will they receive?! We have already lost our village cafe (which was the hub of the place, especially for the elderly) and a restaurant we all loved, what else will go?

8422 ▶▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Paul Steward, 11, #169 of 366 🔗

It’s very much the same on the Greek island where I live in summer. The full time expats are shouting and screaming about keeping everyone away from “their” island. They don’t want visitors, tourists or even semi-residents like myself to encroach on their “safety”. However the true islanders, the Greeks who were born there, want to open up. Their livelihoods and families’ ability to be able to eat throughout winter are at stake. The Greek welfare system is not good, you couldn’t survive more than a short while on it. In vain I tell friends over there that the true mortality rate is around 0.05% of a whole population & the majority of those would have died anyway of other medical conditions, but they don’t want to know. I realise there are no intensive care facilities on the island but even so it is a vast over reaction. Stirred up as always because they read the British online newspapers and watch British tv. I truly despair.

8429 ▶▶▶▶ Csaba, replying to CarrieAH, 4, #170 of 366 🔗

I see the same problem with the media. They focus on news that grabs attention more and because of this makes more money. So the reality stays hidden and hard to find. You should probably put an advert about this website in a local newspaper. 🙂

8381 Riffman, replying to Riffman, 20, #171 of 366 🔗

For what’s worth my view is this.
Data from NHS England website;
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

With no pre-existing conditions total deaths on May 13th stands at 1245 (all ages) and 220 (aged 40-59). The population of England is approx 57,000,000 and in the 40-59 age group is approx 15,200,000. If you assume Witty is correct then 5% of the population has been infected with Covid to date.
According to PSNC (Pharmacy Services Negotiating Comittee) website across all age groups 26,000,000 have at least one long term condition, although not all are relevant to Covid pre-existing conditions mortality numbers but lets assume 30% of the population are susceptible.
Please check my maths but in our predominant age group (40-59) with no pre-existing conditions your chance of becoming a Covid fatality is 0.04%. For balance lifetime chance of dying in a road fatality is 1:240 or put another way 0.4%. Flu generally sits at 0.1% with 70% of vulnerable being vaccinated.
With pre-existing conditions it can be more severe but no we have decided to lock down the whole of society because that’s what public opinion demands (having spent two months scaring them all).
What we are witnessing is bordering on mass hysteria.

8386 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Riffman, 14, #172 of 366 🔗

Totally agree except we’re way past “bordering on”

8382 ScuzzaMan, 21, #173 of 366 🔗

I don’t really care what politicians say about why they do stupid and evil things. I don’t even bother trying to figure out if they’re stupid or evil. Or both.

I just look at what they do and I hold as a principle of political analysis that the obvious consequences of their actions are the results they desired when they acted , and I don’t waste my time trying to figure out why .

What does this have to do with anything?

A twitter acquaintance plaintively asks, as so many are now beginning to do, why his government has just destroyed over 100,000 businesses that will not re-open as the lockdown ends, for no reason at all?

I tell him this:

More pertinent are two facts that the people making government policy understand very well, and that we must also understand if there is to be any chance of counteracting them:

1. They have just shown that they CAN destroy the global economy, for no reason at all . They have the power and (mostly) the people’s permission.

2. That have just shown that they WILL destroy the global economy, for no reason at all .

Learn.

8383 Amy, replying to Amy, 18, #174 of 366 🔗

73% of Brits think limiting the spread of C-19 is more of a priority than the economy……egad! They must feel awfully secure in their jobs.

Thanks for posting the Kevin James video Toby. Now I’m going to find me the most pro lockdown place on the internet, post the video link there, and then wait for the inevitable meltdown from the lockdown droids. Yes I know it’s immature trolling, but God, I could do with the laugh.

8402 ▶▶ reyfrfgveyrbgygrbygryb, replying to Amy, 2, #175 of 366 🔗

It isn’t trolling if just one of the zealots can be brought round to reasoning by your actions.

8437 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Amy, 4, #176 of 366 🔗

I’d take everything the polls say with a large pinch of salt. Any government that can do what they have done to our lifestyles and country’s economy are capable of anything! Yeh even manipulating polls!

8452 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Amy, 2, #177 of 366 🔗

Really? Apart from being awfully job secure they must have a really huge nest egg stashed away and no rent or mortgage to worry so yeah, they can afford to think that limiting the spread of this virus is more important than the economy

However as Bella Donna says I will take those polls with a pinch of salt. They must have used only a small sample, people can lie in surveys and the results can be doctored to fit agendas.

8388 Csaba, replying to Csaba, 21, #178 of 366 🔗

As I see, the coronavirus could have been anything else as well. It was just the manifestation of the problem laying in the social media-driven societies and a failed democracy.
Democracies, where the politicians were the leader of their country, did much better and will come out from this situation with significantly less damage. On the contrary, globally, most of the politicians were led by their nations and not on the other way around. They just did what the actual polls said about the will of the majority of the population. I have a slight feeling that this technic won’t work well when they need to introduce tax increases and financial restrictions.
The other contributor is and was social media. In an ideal world, social media could be a great representation of a perfect democracy, but this would be a false hope. As all of these media are run by private companies whose first and most important goal is money-making. I think we cannot blame them for that. However, I’m sure you have noticed this typical movement that people do with their fingers when they scroll down or up on these social media websites. For me, this movement represents the real problem of our world today. Can you see it? People will only read anything that grabs their attention in 3 seconds maximum. So these companies will priorities the news and type of story that brings more view for them. And people only read these pages in our modern world as they don’t have even more time to do anything else as they spent almost all of their spare time on these pages. Eventually, people stop reading anything that boring and dry, which is very said because usually, the reality is less exciting and thrilling than the artificial world. I see it as an addiction. Of course, it is not the responsibility of anybody else but the individuals themselves. Nonetheless, this is a severe problem in the world today.
These people connected to social media on this level are not different from people in the fantasy world of the well known Matrix movies. They are fed with “things” that makes most of the money not that they should know to be able to make serious real life decisions and take responsible steps.
I’m so happy that I found this website and small community who, obviously, read and think and use their brain and common sense. I hope we can expand this further and open more and more eyes.

8519 ▶▶ Edna, replying to Csaba, #179 of 366 🔗

Very well said!

8389 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 14, #180 of 366 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-52686325

I read this article with incredulity as it implies another medic died of coronavirus .
The poor chap had a dissecting aortic aneurysm which in laymens terms mean your major blood vessel from your heart
just burst . As even the most simple of folks would understand it has a huge mortality. If you can add covid 19 to the death certificate well why not ?

8396 ▶▶ Sally, replying to Peter Thompson, 9, #181 of 366 🔗

“died after testing positive”

Here we go again. Will they ever sort out who’s really died FROM this virus? The IFR would be even lower.

8397 ▶▶ coalencanth12, replying to Peter Thompson, 6, #182 of 366 🔗

I agree, most unfortunate but could happen to anyone of similar age. As you say this is one of them sinister black swans we fall face. The fact he had the ‘rona is immaterial.

8412 ▶▶ ianp, replying to Peter Thompson, 9, #183 of 366 🔗

Beware of being manipulated. MSM are now goading the normal people, that’s for sure. Setting it all up

The jokes about man run over by bus and died of Corona will be going around soon

8723 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to ianp, 1, #184 of 366 🔗

Man Eaten By Shark Dies Of Corona virus

That sort of thing???

8446 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to Peter Thompson, 4, #185 of 366 🔗

I have an aortic aneurysm and a bicuspid valve that will require surgery – my last checkup in February recommended another CT scan to check measurements. Subsequent appointment for it then cancelled and no sign of when it will be. I could become collateral damage myself!

8478 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Schrodinger, 3, #186 of 366 🔗

Sorry to hear that. I sincerely hope that’s not the case. I think if I was in a situation such as yours I’d implode from my own feelings of frustration/anxiety/injustice about it. This complete and utter disregard for the ongoing health concerns of the majority of the population for the sake of prioritising just this one virus is bonkers.
I wonder if any NHS trusts will have to pay compensation in the future to people who have suffered as a result of cancelled procedures.

8724 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Schrodinger, #187 of 366 🔗

Time to chase it up. Don’t leave it, and don’t let them fob you off. You could consider saying that your family could sue for medical negligence if you’re not treated urgently.

8395 coalencanth12, replying to coalencanth12, 26, #188 of 366 🔗

I’ve found out one of my PhD students is an anti-lockdowner and has been brazenly going against the holy teachings of St’s Boris, Dorries and Raab. This is a proud moment, and to be fair of all my students, it’s the one I expected. This one has also reached their own conclusions on the words of the False Prophet, Ferguson and the Image of the Beast, Hancock.

8404 ▶▶ Very_Irritated, replying to coalencanth12, #189 of 366 🔗

What subject discipline are you and your recent convert in? Given your name I’m guessing palaeontology, after the fish found as a “living fossil”? As a PhD student myself who is damn pissed off at the lockdown lunacy its nice to know there are others out there, can’t help but wonder how similar their field is to my own.

8608 ▶▶▶ coalencanth12, replying to Very_Irritated, #190 of 366 🔗

Biophysics/structural biology, although I’m a chemist by training!

8401 RDawg, replying to RDawg, 9, #191 of 366 🔗

Really tempted to go to the protests in Hyde Park BUT I’m worried they might attract the wrong crowd. E.g. anti-5G peeps, far right EDL type folk and those just wanting to start a bit of a riot.

I attended the 2010 anti student fee hike protest in London. Started off brilliantly but then a load of idiots turned up and undertook a mass vandalism. Such a shame.

If there is any negativity, the media will use it to discredit anti-lockdown campaigners and could be v damaging to our plight. Thoughts?

8409 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to RDawg, 4, #192 of 366 🔗

The right crowd will always outnumber the wrong crowd 😊

8410 ▶▶ ianp, replying to RDawg, 2, #193 of 366 🔗

Sure will, unfortunately. You don’t want to be in a crowd with a bunch of EDL knobs. Manna from heaven for the guardianistas.

I just think you go about your normal life. I am finding that a head nod and smile let’s people know you are not one of the fear infected.

This will continue to ease, no fear about that, it will take a long time and far too much money 🙁

8413 ▶▶▶ RDawg, replying to ianp, 16, #194 of 366 🔗

Sadly I think the U.K. will be the last country in Europe to ease up the restrictions. It’s really got me down over the past few weeks. Mental health has taken a battering. But I expect if I am feeling like this, we all are right? 😔

8419 ▶▶▶▶ Gillian, replying to RDawg, 6, #195 of 366 🔗

Know how you are feeling, Mr Dawg. But you have written some wonderfully positive things on here which I’m sure have helped many readers through dark moments. Your post about all of us being at a NYE party on 31 December 2020 and seeing the year out at 2359 hours with the thought “Thank God that’s over” saw me through a particularly bad day. Keep on keeping on!

8490 ▶▶▶▶▶ RDawg, replying to Gillian, 2, #196 of 366 🔗

Thanks Gillian I’m glad that was helpful. I still believe that you know. Within six months I truly believe life will be at least 90% back to normal. And by that I mean the OLD normal. 😉

8502 ▶▶ Mark, replying to RDawg, 2, #197 of 366 🔗

Should go anyway, can always leave if you don’t like the vibe. I imagine there will be some EDL etc people there. Credit to them for opposing this, imo, but I don’t have any particular problem with the fringe nativist parties even if I disagree with them on some of their views and attitudes. No worse than the socialist worker types on the other side. But I suspect the crowd might be more hippy trippy types. Hopefully numbers will be big enough to dilute the fringes, but if not well it’s still better than no resistance at all.

8509 ▶▶▶ bluefreddy, replying to Mark, 1, #198 of 366 🔗

Yes, if you can get there, just turn up and see what it’s like. If you don’t like the look of it you can leave. No-one seems to know who’s behind it, but the fact that they say bring some food and music bodes well.

8720 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Mark, #199 of 366 🔗

EDL weren’t far right when they got started, but soon were infiltrated.
Are they even still going? I really can’t see them turning up to that kind of protest. The main problem will be the antifa types, who turn up to protest the non-existent “far right” at any opportunity.

8405 ianp, replying to ianp, 11, #200 of 366 🔗

This will be a slow descent down the hill for sure. Governments have all locked themselves in, but just be thankful there is no compulsory mask rule in the Uk, the ultimate subjugation symbol in my eyes. If a shop demands you to wear one to go in, boycott it.

News from corporate world today, during the health and safety briefing section, was that ‘coronaphobia’ was now a recognised condition. Lol! But progress nonetheless. And no mention of ‘new normal’ either

I like to think it was thanks to me letting rip (anonymously of course) during an earlier meeting this week when it was said right at the beginning of the call that they didn’t know what Boris’s message meant.

So I let em know, as did dozens of others I hope.

Keep spreading to word to those too worried to speak out, and this ridiculousness will hopefully end and we see more of what the endgame is, and I assure you it’s not about a bloody virus.

8423 ▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to ianp, 13, #201 of 366 🔗

I won’t go in any shop that has a mask requirement or marks on the floor to stand behind or even a one way system with staff telling you to move on if you pause to decide what you want to buy. I now write – proper letter – and tell them so. I don’t mind a hand sanitizer at the door because that’s not intrusive and I can choose whether to use it or not.

8417 BobT, replying to BobT, 43, #202 of 366 🔗

Apologies for the rant but I have had a couple of drinks.

I have never posted anything on a forum until a few days ago. I was angry enough that I had to express myself somehow and this forum allowed me to do so for which I am grateful.

A few days ago I was angry, now I am livid. I am not a natural writer but I am a numbers person and the numbers just do not make sense. I have tried to discuss this with friends and family but everyone I speak to are hypnotised by the false information being spewed out by the media and the politicians.

The numbers tell me that, yes, there is a spike in the expected annual recorded deaths but it is very small in the great scheme of things. I have said before that in the UK 66 million plus or (99.95%) of people have NOT died from this fucking virus but they are paying the price. (I am not making up figures here).

Worse, for me, is that the influence of the nutty decisions taken by the UK government are not lmited to the UK. Srange as it may seem the UK is still respected worldwide for their system of government and its ability to make sensible decisions. Well, that seems to be no longer true.

While you guys have been sitting around clapping and being paid for not working, the economy of my little Caribbean country has been fucked by the decisions taken. I have wriitten on this blog before of the effects, but take it from me that our airports and sea ports, hotels and most businesses are closed until a time that we cannot determine and almost everyone is out of work, soon to be impoverished. No money, no furlough scheme, nada, nothing, the square root of fuck all.

Most of what I see on this blog are people pushing back on the restrictions put in place, social distancing, mask wearing, etc etc. which needs to be done and is honourable but the time has come to consider the global effects of this. I talk about my little island but the rest of the world is also dependent on the Western world’s economies being successful. Of course this is because, through Colonialism , they have secured the minerals and raw materials and cheap labour to build their luxurious economies at the expense of others but until now that was OK because everyone’s standard of living was improving.

Imagine now (and I do not think I am eggagerating) that if the Western economies collapse because of this, not only will the West’s standard of living drop but the associated econonies will collapse and the people will be impoverished. This of couse will reflect back and amplify the collapse of the Western economies. We are all interrelated.

This situation is very very serious and nobody seems to be paying attention.

8447 ▶▶ South Coast Worker, replying to BobT, 8, #203 of 366 🔗

Plenty of people are paying attention but they get zero platform on the M5M. Your point has been explored, with studies suggesting 10million will starve in developing countries. Again no coverage.

8717 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to South Coast Worker, #204 of 366 🔗

More than ten million. Could be in the hundreds of millions.

“The United Nations World Food Programme, or the WFP, states that by the end of the year, more than 260 million people will face starvation — double last year’s figures. According to WFP director David Beasley on April 21: “We could be looking at famine in about three dozen countries. … There is also a real danger that more people could potentially die from the economic impact of COVID-19 than from the virus itself” (italics added).

That would be enough to characterize the worldwide lockdown as a deathly error. But there is much more. If global GDP declines by 5%, another 147 million people could be plunged into extreme poverty, according to the International Food Policy Research Institute.”
https://www.dennisprager.com/column/the-worldwide-lockdown-may-be-the-greatest-mistake-in-history/

8494 ▶▶ Mark, replying to BobT, 4, #205 of 366 🔗

You are absolutely right to be angry and there are a fair few who share this recognition of just how disproportionate and inappropriate this fear-based response has been.

If nothing else it should be a wake up call for those who are aware of this disaster, of the profound dysfunctionalities in our political and media systems, and in aspects of our core culture. We seem unable to sustain rational analysis in the face of emotional response and manipulative emotive arguments.

Further this is, to a surprising degree, a global phenomenon,when I would have expected it to be mostly a consequence of American cultural influence (the worst aspects of Hollywood/East Coast American culture – shallow sentimentality and undisciplined emotional immaturity). Perhaps reflecting the surprising degree to which elements of American culture has been disseminated worldwide (at least amongst elites) via the Hollywood and global news and social media operations. Most likely other things are at work alongside that.

8506 ▶▶ FiFiTrixabelle, replying to BobT, 4, #206 of 366 🔗

BobT – thank you for this post. It’s a sobering reminder to us all and as I sit here this morning despairing at what we are doing in the UK, your post has resonated with me hugely. I’m so frustrated and getting angrier by the day, but my primary focus has been on what I know and see here. I cannot even begin to imagine what it must be like where you are and the ridiculous postering going on in the UK re social distancing, mask wearing etc seems so inconsequential. We need to get your message out. Throughout all of this it has felt that the worlds nations have taken a view of ‘Everyman for himself’ with a complete lack of coordination. We are, as you say, all interlinked and connected – I’m ashamed of our actions and the implications those actions are having on a global basis.

8514 ▶▶ bluefreddy, replying to BobT, 6, #207 of 366 🔗

BobT, I have been desperately anxious and livid about this from day 1. I wrote to the Prime Minister about it in the first week. I have written to my friends ridiculously locked down on small islands where the risk of death from Covid-19 is relatively tiny, and apologised for the terrible example our government has set. They don’t really engage: they seem to be as brainwashed as everyone else. Meanwhile the wealthy lockdown left bleat endlessly about how terrible it is if even one 89 year old with dementia dies, ignoring the stories from the IFO that 250 million people may starve, and from unicef that 2 million children may die as a result of these lockdowns. The disconnect between the belief in their own virtue and their utter inability to understand the devastation this situation is causing is beyond my understanding. They are being paid, enjoying an easy life, “saving lives”: what’s not to love?

8526 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BobT, 1, #208 of 366 🔗

No need to apologise, I like a good rant now and again as well. Legion on underdogsbiteupwards lets you post them as well as he enjoys them himself.

It stops me buying a 2.5 m stick, marking it as 2m then going round hitting the idiot believer sheeple then screaming “you are too close” at them.

8602 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Awkward Git, #209 of 366 🔗

Buy a 6ft sjambok and beat them. Beat some sense into them!

8528 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BobT, 1, #210 of 366 🔗

Which little Caribbean island? I like nearly all of them except Dominican Republic (Haiti half doesn’t count as it’s doomed after the Clinton’s helped it).

As soon a work picks up and I get money again my wife and I will be back in that sunny little piece of the world.

8715 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to BobT, #211 of 366 🔗

https://www.tfp.org/the-most-monumental-social-engineering-and-ideological-transshipment-effort-in-history/
The Most Monumental Social Engineering and Ideological Transshipment Effort in History
April 26th 2020

“The global result will be an exponential increase in extreme poverty. “I see no historical equivalent to the threat that COVID-19 poses to the most vulnerable populations,” said Robin Guittard, Oxfam campaign manager in France.29 In a study released on April 8, researchers at King’s College London and the National University of Australia predict that the pandemic could bring extreme poverty to half a billion of the planet’s inhabitants, destroying the progress made in the past three decades.30

The Increase in Deaths From Hunger in Poor Countries Will Be Much Greater Than That of COVID-19 Victims
The World Food Program predicts that the loss of tourism revenues, the decrease in remittances and travel and other restrictions related to the coronavirus pandemic will double the number of poor people suffering from acute hunger, adding 130 million to the approximately 135 million already existing in that category. “‘COVID-19 is potentially catastrophic for millions who are already hanging by a thread,’ said Arif Husain, chief economist and director of research, assessment, and monitoring at the World Food Programme (WFP).”32 David Beasly, WFP Executive Director, exclaimed in an interview with The Guardian: “Now, my goodness, this is a perfect storm. We are looking at widespread famines of biblical proportions. ”

https://m.youtube.com/watchv=uaswsqtjarm
Cruise Ships Banned For Two Years
“Published on 14 May 2020
Cruise Ships Banned For Two Years. That’s right a popular cruise stop off the coast of Africa has decided to ban cruise ships for two years. While at the same time opening up their International Airport to Tourists.”

You’re right to be furious and concerned about the future. The leaders of the island group that has just banned cruise ships says that the inhabitants there will have to learn to be more innovative to survive the loss of income from cruise ship tourism for the next two years.
At least one small boat tour operator there, who gets 80-90% of his business from cruise passengers, says that all the innovation in the world won’t make up for the loss of business.
This will be repeated the world over, and the fallout is going to far, far worse than this virus outbreak.

As Denis Prager says, this could be the biggest mistake in history:
https://www.dennisprager.com/column/the-worldwide-lockdown-may-be-the-greatest-mistake-in-history/

8421 nonewnormal, 2, #212 of 366 🔗

Robert O Young DSc, PhD: ‘That is why years ago I offered any scientist in the World a finder’s fee of 5 million US dollars if they could prove the existence of the HIV virus using Koch’s postulates. It has now been over 20 years and I am still waiting’ https://www.drrobertyoung.com/post/dismantling-the-viral-theory
Dr. Andrew Kaufman: ‘Evidence (or Not) that Viruses Cause Disease or The Rooster in the River of Rats’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU7HHhPYJkI
*****A NEW $$,$$$,$$$ REWARD CHALLENGE NEEDED FOR ISOLATING THIS COVID-19 VIRUS*****

8424 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 23, #213 of 366 🔗

Over 10,000 people have been killed by an overreaction to a minor common cold coronavirus epidemic; a major humanitarian disaster by any standards.

A significant proportion of the somewhat higher seasonal mortality has derived directly from government policies to move the elderly and infirm out of hospitals to make way for Covid 19 patients who never showed up.

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1931

I cannot see how any Prime Minister or government can survive that.

But we live in unusual times.

8477 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #214 of 366 🔗

A root and branch inquiry of the NHS is required, to include medical practices. As I know from my own experience as someone who had major medical interventions in my 30s, once doctors start along a certain treatment strategy, they rarely turn back. It is well intentioned, but sometimes doctors need to think outside the box, but that is not what their training teaches them. It must have been pretty obvious quite early on that the order to stay at home and self isolate for 7-14 days was the wrong strategy for a significant minority of people. At day 7, if you have not recovered appreciably, waiting the extra two or three days before calling for urgent medical treatment means you are more or less dead on arrival at hospital. At that point, if you are intubated, the odds of death are extreme. Evidence from New York emerged quite early that intubation was the wrong treatment option. How many lives might have been saved (over and above the poor souls who were released to care homes) had the advice not been to ‘stay at home’ even when very ill and just keep calling 111, and had there not been the obsession with mechanical ventilators and intubation.

8517 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #215 of 366 🔗

I’ve had the misfortune to be tangled up in the NHS machine for the past 2.5 years now. Doctor’s don’t really make free decisions any more. Treatments are often based on a limited set the hospital provides and even then they are governed by flow-charted protocols. Fortunately, I have the time, energy and wherewithal to push back, find the treatments I want and then fight the battle to get them. Needless to say I don’t do the Thursday night seal performance.

8700 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Jonathan Smith, #216 of 366 🔗

Don’t many of the drug protocols come from NICE? And many procedures, treatment protocols are laid down. In some cases, it’s stopped malpractice, but in others, it’s reduced discretion.

8543 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #217 of 366 🔗

Agree.Throwing a lot taxpayers money into a big black hole. We deserve better treatment.

8628 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 1, #218 of 366 🔗

I agree. Sadly though, the public has been lead to believe that prescription drugs are a panacea for all ills. They feel short-changed if they come out of the doctor’s surgery without a prescription. I feel the exact opposite: if I can do something for myself without recourse to some sort of chemical intervention, then I will. Furthermore, people take little or no notice of the myriad side-effects which, although they are in tiny print – sort of suggesting that they are really nothing to worry about – can have devastating consequences. And what’s more, the pracitce of polypharmacy, especially in the elderly, is very worrying.

8695 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #219 of 366 🔗

I would suggest that Public Health England, plus the numerous, very well-remunerated hospital administrators, Chief Executives, etc, anyone party to this policy should face a full criminal enquiry.

8425 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 19, #220 of 366 🔗

To pick up on the withdrawal of essential dental services, which has been one of my main concerns since this lunacy started: A couple of days ago, I stopped to speak to the nice lady in charge of the sanitising station in our supermarket.

Her husband has lost a front tooth in his upper jaw and now refuses to leave the house. Thus his physical condition is being steadily aggravated by rapidly growing anxiety and distress.

This couple have made numerous calls to 111, only to be told that they should seek referral to a local hub, which are limited to performing extractions , so no point.

This is being replicated across the UK.

Dentistry is an essential service and rates of dental infections, loss of teeth and associated co morbidities will undoubtedly increase.

My excellent dentist has told me in the past about the dreadful oral decay he has seen while on emergency duties at local hospitals; also that rates of decay are rapidly rising amongst young children.

Another senior dentists and oral surgeon and her daughter,who is a dental nurse, have told me that they see no hope of normal services resuming in the near future because of the panic about aerosols and lack of PPE.

Too many dentists have been furloughed and many practices now face an uncertain future.

When they eventually do reopen, massively long waiting lists will ensue, as decisions are taken about whom to treat first, how to operate mad distancing directives and how to operate the essential aerosol generating procedures.

Thus, we can expect dental decay to be added to an epidemic of mental illness, missed cancer tests and treatment, delayed operations and missed eye tests-(which also detect many potentially serious conditions).

Is this really worth it?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/16/uk-lockdown-causing-serious-mental-illness-in-first-time-patients

https://bda.org/advice/Coronavirus/Pages/latest-updates.aspx

8450 ▶▶ sunchap, replying to wendyk, 3, #221 of 366 🔗

In NZ we have escaped lockdown now and my mental health has picked up. Hold on Brits. The first coffee will be good.

In NZ it was summer so no one died. We have just had mass hysteria, which is embarrassing.

What confuses me is this; SARS died out partly as it did not mutate whereas this novel corona virus seems to be mutating – does this mean it will probably come back?

8518 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to sunchap, 2, #222 of 366 🔗

Watch the excellent interview with Professor Dolores Cahill on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Avc6_ftzk3w&app=desktop It’s called ‘Debunking the narrative’.

8470 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 5, #223 of 366 🔗

I came across something similar where many dentists are raising the alarm over dental health especially those who require operations and such. And I can imagine that the lockdown is also wreaking havoc with many people’s teeth.

I required deep cleaning early this year and it was fortunate that I was able to complete the treatment before the lockdown (the dentist was leaving anyway to join her husband who was being posted abroad). The excellent dentist who did my cleaning has said that more and more people have needed advanced periodontal treatment and I can imagine that this trend will accelerate when this is all over.

8487 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #224 of 366 🔗

Absolutely; gum disease will become increasingly common, and it can cause tooth loss.

8493 ▶▶ FiFiTrixabelle, replying to wendyk, 8, #225 of 366 🔗

It’s ridiculous. The pain some people must be in will be horrendous and the long term implications on dental health another public health disaster to add to the list.
As a family I have a daughter (21) with recurring toothache who has been told ‘just take painkillers and only call us back if it gets really unbearable’. A son (15) with braces which need attention and me (age not being revealed) with a brace that was due off at the start of lockdown. Wonder how many years I’ll be sporting this look?!!

8500 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to FiFiTrixabelle, 4, #226 of 366 🔗

Dreadful! And this will undoubtedly affect people’s future prospects: imagine returning to work or study-should this ever be allowed!-with rageing tooth ache, gum disease or sever pain,or abscess.
This is unacceptable.

Having suffered,many years ago, from dental abscesses, I know that urgent treatment is necessary.

8694 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to wendyk, #227 of 366 🔗

And hence the anecdotal reports of people taking out their own teeth because of the pain. (Mentioned on Nick Ferrari’s show). This is the sort of thing that happened in past centuries, before dentistry. The situation is appalling.

8693 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to wendyk, #228 of 366 🔗

I’ve heard the same thing, i.e. that currently the dental hubs will either prescribe antibiotics for infections, or will perform tooth extractions, but no other procedures. The same will happen for the foreseeable future when dentists finally reopen, if they ever do.
As was pointed out by someone else, we’ve gone backwards to the 1800s…..

8428 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 16, #229 of 366 🔗

It’s almost as if the writer of this article stole my thoughts:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/this-is-not-a-natural-disaster-but-a-manmade-one

8432 ▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #230 of 366 🔗

Good article

8466 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #231 of 366 🔗

A virus is a virus is a virus; let’s get over it and get the herd to get over themselves

8474 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to Nobody2020, #232 of 366 🔗
8550 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Nobody2020, #233 of 366 🔗

Great article. Indeed, why do the Government continue with a failed ‘strategy’ based upon the discredited modelling and forecasts by Ferguson (Prof Pantsdown according to the article)?

8689 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Nobody2020, #234 of 366 🔗

https://m.youtube.com/watchv=a6yyi7npy-0
The cruelty of social distancing, with Lionel Shriver — The Brendan O’Neill Show

I haven’t managed to watch this as yet, but i thought this would be an apt companion to the article posted.

8430 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 15, #235 of 366 🔗

Most human beings still think like slaves. Instead of asking questions or using critical thinking skills to ask if something is right before doing it, they simply obey perceived “authority”. The truth is, this lockdown is the fault of everyone who complied and everyone who used forced to exact revenge on those who disobeyed. It was the same in all tyrannical takeovers in history.

The mainstream media keeps blaming the economic devastation on the coronavirus, but it wasn’t the fault of a virus. It was the fault of the government and the slave mentality of the police and the public willingly obeying their commands. / courtesy of Unherd

How true us that?

8459 ▶▶ Riffman, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #236 of 366 🔗

Oh so true. My misanthropic leanings have now fallen over the cliff. I have decided that when this over I’m going to move to a cottage in the country at least a mile from another human being to live out what’s left.

ALTERNATIVELY… how about every reader and contributor to this site agrees we all move to a small town or village so next time ( and there will be sooner than you think) we can all lock ourselves down and have mass social disobedience with pubs, restaurants and shops open…oh Shangri La!

8433 Riffman, replying to Riffman, 19, #237 of 366 🔗

Reading about the H3N2 Hong Kong flu in 1968, I now realise I had it. I was 10 years old, and was put to bed at my aunts house for a few days after becoming ill on the way to enjoying Christmas at my grandparents. They told me I had pneumonia. It really wasn’t that bad, but I bet today I would have been on the front page of a tabloid or two! 3 times as many people died in the UK and worldwide with a 20% lower population. Barely scratched the media of the time.

During roughly the same period I also had chicken pox, measles, German measles, and mumps. I’m still here…although I’m beginning to not care anymore. In those days we wrapped our Christmas decorations in cotton wool, not our minds and bodies. A passing ‘snowflake’ outside the window was something to wonder and behold.

Yes I’m glad I was born in the 50’s (sadly missed The Beatles though!).

8683 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Riffman, #238 of 366 🔗

My flu experience was around 1977-80. I was bed-bound for about a week, and left feeling very low for another week. I’ve not had the flu since, though have had the usual bad cold, etc, since. The on time I’ve had anything resembling flu was this March, where I had a raised temperature for just two days, but a cough that lasted seven weeks. I have no idea if it was a mild version of CV19 or just another viral infection.

8434 cornubian, replying to cornubian, 7, #239 of 366 🔗

Yesterday Toby said that he gets lots of emails from people complaining about how the deceased are being registered as dying from Covid 19 when all the evidence suggests they did not. He then expresses disbelief that this might be happening. He does draw attention to the fact that in the US, doctors are financially incentivised by the federal government to write Covid 19 on death certificates, but says that is not happening here. He concludes that as there is no obvious motive in the UK, it cannot be happening.

However, by stating that the US government is encouraging doctors to write Covid 19 on death certificates, Toby has inadvertently drawn attention to the underlying question both here and in the US. What is motivating the US, and indeed the UK government, to inflate the Covid 19 death toll? Before answering this question I need to point out how this is achieved in the UK.

We know that in the US there is a direct financial reward for doctors writing Covid 19 on death certificates, and that is how death rate inflation is achieved there. In the UK, the same result is achieved by the new Coronavirus legislation instructing, encouraging and indeed coaching doctors to write Covid 19 on death certificates. This legislation, and associated guidance, make the registration of Covid 19 deaths, and ONLY Covid 19 deaths, unusually flexible and imprecise. Here I highlight just three of the changes made:

New ONS policy states that “a Covid 19 death” is any death that mentions Covid 19 on the death certificate. ONS then qualify this statement by saying “If a death certificate mentions COVID-19 it will not always be the main cause of death, but MAY be a contributory factor.” This is how we arrive at a situation where no distinction is made between people dying FROM Covid 19, or WITH Covid 19. Declaring a death as a Covid 19 death on grounds that Covid 19 ‘may’ or may not have contributed in some miniscule way to a death is not proper grounds for declaring that death to be a Covid 19 death. This practice is giving rise to the Covid 19 death toll being inflated.

Moreover, a ‘death in the community’ can now be registered as a Covid 19 death if a doctor filling in the death certificate simply telephones a relative, or a care home provider, and is told the patient coughed before dying. I think most reasonable people would acknowledge that this leaves scope for the cause of death to be wrongly attributed to Covid 19.

Lastly, patients suffering any number of end stage comorbidities who die in hospital and subsequently test positive for Covid 19 have to be registered as a Covid 19 death even if Covid 19 did not cause the death. This is clearly wrong, and will lead to inflation of the Covid 19 death toll.

I have given three circumstances where the new rules leave scope for the Covid 19 death rate to be inflated. The question now is, why is this happening?

In a world where ‘safety-ism’ has become the new socialism, serious attempts are being made by our political class to make a version of Lockdown, which outlawed ‘non-essential’ travel and goods, permanent on environmental grounds.

For example, in its recent letter to the Prime Minister, the UK Climate Change Committee said the Covid crisis must be used to reshape society and reduce carbon emissions. They argue that those businesses that were destroyed by Lockdown must not be given government support and only new carbon friendly business must be helped. And in a move straight out of the communist playbook, the committee say workers from the old businesses must be retrained to work on the land planting trees and restoring peatland.

The CCC say cars must be abandoned and people must walk or cycle. Hence Johnsons new multi-billion pound ‘transport policy’ focussing on road closures and cycle ways. Because cars are to be abandoned, all new road schemes must be scrapped with the money spent on broadband to encourage people to stay home. Visits to doctor’s surgeries are to become a thing of the past, with all consultations done online. Likewise schools are to be closed with all learning done online. Lockdown conveniently devastated the High Street, so purchases must continue to be made online. Lockdown also collapsed the aviation industry, which must now fall by the wayside. Hence Johnsons plan to introduce a now useless two week quarantine – which will finally kill off the airlines.

When looking at the big picture, people need to remember that the entire UK political class have signed up to Lockdown AND Net Zero. From ‘Stay Home – Save Lives’ to ‘Stay Home- Save the Planet’ in one seamless move. Welcome to your ‘new normal’. Welcome to your green dystopian future.

8515 ▶▶ ianp, replying to cornubian, 3, #240 of 366 🔗

Yes, precisely that. But what sort of green future? A voluntary one or strictly enforced? With the whole world in lockdown I think there are definitely two paths being undertaken here at least.

Can you imagine the kind of civil disorder in the US for example. Gun toting historical distrust of big government has always been prevalent.

The one path no one, not even the sheep, wants is to be like is China…

The narrative is changing now, slowly.

8521 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to cornubian, 3, #241 of 366 🔗

Precisely! This has been discussed in detail on UK column (11th May), with information from a government source.. As regards death certificates, a guy on Twitter called Ronan Maher has written in detail about the huge loopholes in changing death registration by allowing only one ‘check’ as regards the death certificate – potential for Shipman-like criminality. For more on this see: https://hectordrummond.com/2020/05/08/ronan-maher-clauses-in-the-coronavirus-act-changed-how-we-record-deaths-its-time-to-change-them-back/

8889 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to cornubian, #242 of 366 🔗

Good post.

8456 Hammer Onats, 6, #243 of 366 🔗

Well, once again the MSM have excelled themselves. What’s on the front page of The Times this morning? An insightful article about the stupidity of the government perhaps? No – it’s a photo of Monty Don pointing to his first interview since his dog snuffed it. No wonder the British public is so poorly informed.

8457 CarrieAH, replying to CarrieAH, 6, #244 of 366 🔗

There is something that has been confusing me, and maybe somebody can come up with an explanation. We know that what used to be known as the Conservative Party (but clearly is anything but now) has many very rich business backers. So where are their voices in all of this? Surely they should be threatening to withhold all future donations to the Party if lockdown isn’t cancelled and their businesses allowed to run properly. It worries me because if they aren’t controlling the strings . . . who is? Something one hell of a lot more sinister in the background I guess . . . Big Pharma & Co. or those who have seen their chance to go for the New
World Order? I’m not usually given to conspiracy theories about lizards, but I’m starting to think David Icke isn’t all wrong. Boris cannot just be pandering to his voting public by keeping lockdown surely. That would be pretty pointless as he has a huge majority for the next 5 years, by which time (hopefully) all this nonsense will have been consigned to the history books and forgotten.

8462 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to CarrieAH, 1, #245 of 366 🔗

I agree with you on this, I keep wondering what is actually going on cos all governments bar a few around the world are saying the same message and running their countries along the same lines.

Except Sweden so then I wonder if the whole conspiracy theory is not true.

This YouTube video has an explanation which is very conspiracy theory and may or may not be true. Its worth a watch though is an hour long.
https://youtu.be/j33O-USISz0

8465 ▶▶ Gracie Knoll, replying to CarrieAH, #246 of 366 🔗

Graeme Norbury gives you the answer here:
https://youtu.be/j33O-USISz0

8512 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to CarrieAH, 2, #247 of 366 🔗

You just don’t need to posit shadowy ill defined figures pulling the strings to recognise a classic social panic when you see it. I’m with the cock-up theorists more than the conspiracy theorists…. Besides which wealthy Tory donors are chelping about the lockdown.

8885 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jonathan Smith, #248 of 366 🔗

140 countries in unison though ?

8609 ▶▶ coalencanth12, replying to CarrieAH, 1, #249 of 366 🔗

Shortly after the address last sunday from the Dear Leader he apparently attended a web conference with business leaders. I don’t have the article to hand (it was either Times or Torygraph) but leaks suggested they weren’t impressed…

8886 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to CarrieAH, #250 of 366 🔗

“David Icke isn’t all wrong.”

He’s written many enormous books over the past 30 years. I’d say he was around 85-95% right about things.

Have you read any/many of them, or are you repeating ‘common knowledge’ ?

8460 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 8, #252 of 366 🔗

Update on the public mood : having been for my usual early morning walk along the sea front, primarily to observe the large eider duck nursery-a source of wonder and appreciation!- I’m sorry to report that I was glared at twice by the female half of a couple walking past; studiously ignored by another female, but greeted with a cheery wave and smiles from a very friendly couple.

2 men managed half smiles and acknowledgements.

Men seem to be friendlier on the whole.

This is becoming seriously irritating now; for years we’ve been exhorted -chiefly by the lib/left commentariat-to welcome absolutely everyone ,regardless of race, gender, nationality, religion ,or lack of, etc, but now these same movers and shakers have caused this frankly ridiculous outbreak of hostility and wariness.

OK ,we’re all wary and reserved when deemed necessary-I am-but this is obliterating hitherto accepted norms of polite behaviour . It doesn’t bode well for the future.

End of rant, but on a happier note, the eiders are flourishing with many cheeping ducklings guarded closely by their attentive mothers.

8482 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to wendyk, 6, #253 of 366 🔗

Ducks are such amusing and fun little creatures. We have eight hens, ‘the ladies’ who are also a constant source of laughter too. Sounds like a nice walk. I’ve lost all patience with people now, it’s a form of self-indulgence I think, this fear, it’s extremely self-centred. People need to think about what it’s doing to others now, not about themselves. Although pointing this out wins me no admirers (I checked yesterday, 100 people have unfriended me on facebook!)

8484 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to BecJT, 1, #254 of 366 🔗

My sister has a flock of hens;they are hilarious! Now known as the New Ladies, as several of their predecessors have sadly succumbed.

You should give up FB, BecJT; you’re patently too well informed and intelligent for the average user.
Is there not another avenue for your professional contacts and networks?

Cognitive bias here,as I’ll frely admit to being allergic to social media across the board.

8530 ▶▶ Edna, replying to wendyk, 9, #255 of 366 🔗

I thought you might enjoy hearing about the experience my husband had this morning at a tyre replacement business.

He got a puncture in the front tyre of his motorbike yesterday and as this sort of tyre has an inner-tube he needed a new tube. He took the wheel along to the place in the car which and explained what was required. He said that the chairs in the reception area were spaced out and that there was tape on the floor to indicate where people should stand.

Because he just had the wheel (as opposed to it being on the bike) the tyre-fitter said my husband should go into the workshop with him. The fitter took out the old tube and my husband told him that he couldn’t find where on the tyre the puncture had happened. So the fitter inflated the old tube and listened for the air escaping. When he heard it he beckoned my husband over and they stood, ear to ear, to hear the hissing! They then inspected the tyre to find the foreign object that had punctured it and ended up practically hugging as they did so, so close together were they! My husband was so delighted with this complete disregard for any social distancing he now refuses to go to any other tyre replacement business!

8534 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Edna, 2, #256 of 366 🔗

This has made my day Edna!

8540 ▶▶▶▶ Edna, replying to wendyk, 2, #257 of 366 🔗

It cheered us up no end as well!

8554 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Edna, 1, #258 of 366 🔗

Great stuff. Well done to the tyre fitter for exercising common sense!!!

8461 Markus, replying to Markus, 3, #259 of 366 🔗

Bill Gates really wants to test everyone. Everywhere you look, there is Gates.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/498104-fda-halts-bill-gates-coronavirus-testing-program

8522 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Markus, 6, #260 of 366 🔗

…which is extremely worrying – he has ‘bought’ so many people in power and has a large finger in every organisation.. In the UK he has direct financial links to Chris Whitty, Patrick Vallance, Matt Hancock and Neil Ferguson, and those are just the ones I have read about so far..

8533 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Markus, #261 of 366 🔗

Yep, all links lead back to Bill Gates aided by Soros.

Finding his dirty little fingers on everything is so easy, my friend sent me a link from NPR in the USA debunking the pandemic videos by that female whistleblower who used to work with foci. 10 seconds research, who is one of their main sponsors? You guessed it.

8463 Oaks79, replying to Oaks79, 2, #262 of 366 🔗

This is a good read, a real in depth look at the numbers that are being reported and the coding of Covid on the death certificate

https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2020/05/01/manufacturing-consensus-the-registering-of-covid-19-deaths-in-the-uk/

8469 ▶▶ Sally, replying to Oaks79, 1, #263 of 366 🔗

Seconded. There are several long pieces on the coronavirus pandemic on that website and they’re all worth reading.

8467 Gossamer, replying to Gossamer, 9, #264 of 366 🔗

I was hoping to visit one of my favourite country parks, about a 20-minute (now legal) drive away. Along with a neighbouring garden centre which has recently re-opened.

Except that turns out to be unfeasible as all the toilets there, and indeed in the entire borough, remain closed for “hygiene” reasons.

So … desperate people may well end up using the park itself as a toilet. Very hygienic indeed.

The law of unintended consequences is not exactly unknown, so why can’t people think things through before imposing mind-blowingly stupid policies?

8479 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Gossamer, 2, #265 of 366 🔗

Unfortunately people are currently stuck with their tunnel vision. They are currently obsessed with the virus to the exclusion of everything else and thinking about unintended consequences has gone out of the window.

This reminded me of my sister who I had a bit of an argument with and it dawned on me if she ever thought of the consequences for her own business and that of our parents’ (which she helps run) – that they will be in for a rough ride because of this or heaven forbid, be forced to close down as economies everywhere crash.

8491 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #266 of 366 🔗

Absolutely true. I have furloughed family members and friends who haven’t yet worked through the logical consequences for the SMEs who employ them. There’s an idea that the government will underwrite losses in perpetuity, as if that too has no consequences.

8501 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jonathan Smith, 3, #267 of 366 🔗

The funny thing is my sister is in a country in SE Asia (that’s where I come from) and there is absolutely NO furloughing much less government assistance there so again I am wondering if my family has really thought this through or they’re simply being ostriches at the moment – burying their heads in the sand and pretending that its all OK and finding the magic vaccine is the priority not the economy.

8510 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #268 of 366 🔗

I think you are right. Here it’s probably a mixture of ‘government will make everything right’ and whistling a happy tune that all will be well in the end.

8572 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #269 of 366 🔗

I doubt that most people really will want to think through the consequences of all this, so metaphorically speaking, they will have their heads in the sand. To do otherwise is a very black pill indeed. I suspect many of us have already been through that process over the course of the last four to five years or so. It’s not pleasant, and most will avoid it if they can.

8576 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lms23, 1, #270 of 366 🔗

Good point. My sister has two daughters as well so its likely that the ostriching is to shield her children from the eventual fall out and that they will have to make certain sacrifices over the next few years or so. This might also mean a replay of our childhood where we couldn’t afford things like foreign holidays and being a target for bullies because we didn’t have the latest gadgets and things with the latest “hot” cartoon characters.

8480 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to Gossamer, 16, #271 of 366 🔗

Back in the day public loos were a huge feminist issue, women’s toilets weren’t provided as women belonged in the home. It was called the ‘urinary leash’, as you could only travel as far as your bladder permitted, and women had to plan convoluted routes of friends and family so they could leave the house at all. If you are caring for elderly relatives, have small kids (kids pee A LOT), menstruate, or are pregnant and pee every five minutes, you cannot participate in public life if you can’t go to the loo. Indeed it prompted the ‘Ladies Sanitary Association’ and men were so affronted at the suggestion that women may go where they liked, they sabotaged the first women’s public loos. This is also why a lot of the third world charities campaign for girls’ loos in poorer nations, as girls cannot get an education, or work, or do anything, unless they can go to the loo.

And now, here we all are, on the ‘urinary leash’. Public sanitary facilities are actually a really big issue (same for disabled people, which it was such a huge plank of disability equality campaigning).

8520 ▶▶▶ Gossamer, replying to BecJT, 2, #272 of 366 🔗

BecJT, thank you for posting. That’s really interesting – I’d never heard of the ‘urinary leash’ before. Absolutely spot-on: access to sanitary facilities is an essential human right.

What a nasty and insidious way of ensuring we stay home, not through fear of a virus, but simply because we all have a bladder that we can’t leave behind.

8568 ▶▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to Gossamer, 1, #273 of 366 🔗

I know, public sanitation is not the dull subject we all think! I remember reading years ago that when Maggie Thatcher was elected PM there was one ladies toilet in the House of Commons. Not one suite of loos, one toilet. Every female MP, secretary, cleaner or assistant had to share one loo. Plus it was in some obscure part of the building, so you had to troop for miles if you needed to pee. It says quite a lot about how women were valued at the time.

It also says quite a lot that what you’ve described is happening now too.

8574 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to BecJT, 1, #274 of 366 🔗

And why few women went on exploratory expeditions around the world, etc, and it was left to the men.
Try trekking to the North Pole on foot when you have a heavy period…..

8635 ▶▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to Lms23, 1, #275 of 366 🔗

Exactly, in an era when they hadn’t invented the sanitary towel even. It’s still happening now, it’s why so many girls bunk school, particularly now they’ve gender neutral-ed the loos, who’d been a teenager girl rustling a wrapper in a loo where boys might shove a mobile phone camera under the door?

People don’t think about it, but we have a lot to thank those Victorian ladies for!

8616 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to BecJT, 2, #276 of 366 🔗

This is why I bought a SheWee – mostly to get out and use in public when there aren’t any toilet facilities 🙂 Nearly got me arrested once. Takes some practice but man are they useful!!

8629 ▶▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to Farinances, #277 of 366 🔗

I’ve heard women swear by them, not been brave enough to try (plus I live in the country, we just pee behind a hedge!)

8622 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Gossamer, #278 of 366 🔗

So did you ‘go with the flow’ then? I hope you used the correct vegetation, men in the trees and women behind bushes

8468 BecJT, replying to BecJT, 6, #279 of 366 🔗

College of Policing have issued guidance to forces that the ‘guidelines’ are unenforceable – that means social distancing, and various other suggestions from our overlords – and only the law is enforceable, and even then only ‘as a last resort’. https://www.college.police.uk/What-we-do/COVID-19/understanding-the-law/Documents/Health-Protection-Regulations-Amendments-England-changes-130520.pdf

Here’s the law: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350/contents/made

My reading of this is it’s against the law to leave my home without reasonable excuse, but amendments now seem to give me lots of reasonable excuses should I be asked where I’m going. Plus given I can now travel unlimited distances, exercise as much as I want, sit and watch the world go by, and go to work, the police would have very little reason to stop me and ask me why I’m leaving my home.

College of policing say leaving your home to visit another home isn’t a reasonable excuse, but leaving your home to go and exercise with someone from another home is a reasonable excuse, as is going to a garden centre, exercising, going to work, helping someone out, etc etc etc.

“To visit the homes of friends and family (exceptions include to protect a vulnerable person, for medical purposes or to escape risk of harm)”.

The law on gatherings is it is only illegal for two or more people not of the same household to gather *in a public place*.

I take that to mean that with a ‘reasonable excuse’ – a bottle of calpol, my fraying mental health due to loneliness, in my joggers to exercise with someone there – no one’s going to stop us if we go and visit people at home?

8476 ▶▶ Hammer Onats, replying to BecJT, 3, #280 of 366 🔗

I think most chief constables have realised the “only following orders” excuse will not wash when the inevitable Royal Commission gets under way.

8483 ▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to Hammer Onats, 6, #281 of 366 🔗

Agreed, I also think perhaps our backed into a corner Government made them contradictory and vague on purpose (not saying they’ve had a cunning plan all along, it’s clear they didn’t, but having got into a fiasco, they are now angling on the most politically expedient way to get us out of it, which is make it unenforceable).

8560 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Hammer Onats, 4, #282 of 366 🔗

It’s called the Nuremberg Principle – I was only following orders is not a valid defence. Established during the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials.

8472 Albie, replying to Albie, 23, #283 of 366 🔗

Overheard conversation in shop between two men earlier:
1st Man: (upbeat) Hello mate. Getting better isn’t it?
2nd Man: Is it? Wait until the second wave.
1st Man: (still upbeat) Well the Bundesliga is restarting today, I’m looking forward to watching a game.
2nd Man: That’s another stupid thing, football restarting at a time like this!

I walked off at that point. I actually felt angry at the utter wrongness, gullibility, and cowering negativity of the second man. If he wants to live his life like that, more fool him! I’m with first man every time. He wants to enjoy life, watch a football match today for example. Second man is symptomatic of the majority at the minute, just consumed in misery, unfounded misery. It’s almost like they can’t wait for a second wave. I’m sure they actually do want it.

8489 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to Albie, 25, #284 of 366 🔗

They want it to justify their fear, and the way they’ve treated doubters, and to salve their growing awareness of what lockdown is doing. A very astute friend and colleague of mine (he’s lived an incredible life, he’s an entrepreneur and proper adventurer) always says to me ‘never forget, nobody is that stupid, nobody is that naive’. It’s the reason why people I’ve always got along with have attacked me in the most personal and insulting ways recently, not my arguments, me. They need me to SHUT UP, otherwise they have to face that their role in all this is not ‘saving lives’ but themselves, that they weaponised and politicised it to score points, and doing that killed people who were blameless.

So a second wave (let’s be honest, that means they are willing more people to die) or Sweden ‘failing’ (ditto) is their comfort blanket. It lets them off. I take that to mean they know they are morally dishonest, moral cowards. F**k those people.

8492 ▶▶▶ Albie, replying to BecJT, 4, #285 of 366 🔗

Spot on, BecJT. Great post!

8516 ▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to BecJT, 8, #286 of 366 🔗

Spoke to a friend, a fit, active elderly lady on the phone this morning. She has been walled up in her flat for the past two months, terrified to go out. Her sciatica has got worse since she had to stop doing aquagym. Hasn’t seen her grandchildren for two months. They’ve gone back to school, two days a week, thrilled to meet their friends – she’s a bit worried though, as is their mother. I say children don’t catch covid. Ah, but they might give it to somebody else. Surely if a person is so enfeebled that they would be struck down dead by the breath of a child, then they are on the way out anyway. Didn’ t dare say that. Another grandchild in Arizona going stir crazy. No trip to Arizona for granny this year. She was invited to her brother’s barbecue just along the road. Afraid to go in case she catches covid. At a funeral in the Dordogne someone with covid infected 27 people. A bit like typhoid Mary. Brother, whose father-in-law was a doctor, showed some sense. This was a lie. Impossible for one person to infect 27. So she’s going to the barbecue armed with mask and gloves. Don’t know how she’ll manage to eat anything. She has personal experience of the physical and mental damage this scare is causing. She is beginning to realise that she is being told lies. Yet before lockdown there were all these people on skateboards and scooters beneath her window – how else were they going to be frightened into staying at home? She hasn’t yet made the step in her mind – why did they need to stay at home at all?

8588 ▶▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Jane in France, 6, #287 of 366 🔗

Further to the funeral in the Dordogne – I can’t believe I’m taking an interest in the funeral of someone I’ve never heard of in the Dordogne – I’ve found out that someone went to the doctor with flu-like symptoms after the funeral and was tested positive for covid. All 127 people who had anything to do with the graveyard were then tested and nine were positive. Did any of these people die? No. Did any of them have to go to hospital? No. Did any of them even have symptoms? Most didn’t. And it was because of this story that my friend was afraid to attend her brother’s barbecue. I can’t believe what this virus is doing to the minds of normally reasonable people.

8473 Awkward Git, 3, #288 of 366 🔗

This is they website from the government for putting forward questions for the daily briefings:

http://www.gov.uk/ask

I put in questions every few days even though I doubt any will get through the vetting, I think everybody should as well and either overwhelm the system and eventually 1 awkward one may sneak through as someone who reads them wakes up out of the stupor they are in.

My last question:

“You say you are “following these science”. After doing quite a few hours of research myself the past few weeks of enforced imprisonment even though I have committed no crime all I can say is that “the science” that you and your expert advisors are using seems to be agenda driven to achieve an unknown goal whereas all the independent science its showing that your actions were wrong. Please explain how the upcoming poverty, the debt levels, excess deaths and societal breakdown was worth it or even why you followed this course of action as it is incomprehensible?”

Today’s question:

“In the legislation you are using to enforce the restrictions imposed on us the emphasis on the proper person of the local authorities and for Justices of the peace to actually do the enforcement on individuals and on premises. This is not happening as the edicts and diktacs go direct from a press conference to the general public. Self-isolating is not mentioned anywhere. isolation is enforced as above. Self-isolation is voluntary. Is this because no erst exists s required to be given and so that the local authorities do not have to pay compensation a stated in the legislation?”

Hav emun with them.

8475 Awkward Git, 5, #289 of 366 🔗

This is what government use to “nudge” the population’s thinking:

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/publications/mindspace

Like reading all “manifestos” – Agenda 21/2030/new green deal/global warming/climate change/anti-brexit etc – you need to read what it means, not what it says.

There is a big difference at times between the 2.

8485 karate56, replying to karate56, 20, #290 of 366 🔗

The BBC a showing that the R0 is higher, therefore the disease will increase rapidly and spread quicker in the “community”. This is despite the government stating that R0 has increased purely due to care homes and hospitals. The BBC are even subtle with their misinformation and scare mongering. Its unreal. Pricks

8486 ▶▶ karate56, replying to karate56, 5, #291 of 366 🔗

aren’t even subtle

8532 ▶▶ IanE, replying to karate56, 2, #292 of 366 🔗

Time for some extensive Beeb reduction surgery!

8569 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to karate56, 1, #293 of 366 🔗

The R0 has increased purely because the hospitals infected the care homes, just as they’ve done in other countries. Funny that….

8488 didymous, #294 of 366 🔗

Is your IFR calculation correct?? 50,000/ 19,000,000 as a % is 0.26% – about where many others have it.

8495 Jane in France, replying to Jane in France, 9, #295 of 366 🔗

Again, here in France, we thought we could take all the garden rubbish that has accumulated over the past two months to the town dump. Not so simple. First you need to make an appointment and give them your car registration number. First appointment in two weeks’ time. When you turn up you have to present your identity card, you town dump card and your appointment number, and then they check you are who who say you are and you have the same car (can’t have people trying to get rid of stuff for their neighbours). Of course you must be wearing a mask and gloves. The town dump for heaven’s sake. These people work among dirt and germs all the time. How long is this madness going to go on?

8503 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Jane in France, 6, #296 of 366 🔗

She Who Must Be Obeyed is considering opening the dumps again, as, needless to say, fly tipping is on the rise, with associated rats and gulls.You couldn’t make this up!

It’s starting to remind me of ‘Blackadder’ and cunning plans

8529 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to wendyk, 1, #297 of 366 🔗

Yes indeed – when I think of caviare and Sturgeon, I often wonder if she is from a punning clan!

8567 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Jane in France, 2, #298 of 366 🔗

This madness will continue as long as they can get away with it, and until there’s serious pushback from people. Unfortunately, the majority have been so effectively terrified of this virus, I don’t see things changing any time soon.
I’d like to move to a US state where there’s a Republican governor in charge, but as I’m not allowed out of the house except for essential journeys, no flying, etc, that’s not going to happen.

8497 A HUG IS HEALTH, replying to A HUG IS HEALTH, 16, #299 of 366 🔗

Susan Aitken, leader of Glasgow City Council has called the people planning to attend the gatherings in Glasgow today selfish, right wings bams. Yes this is the calibre of our public servants.

The council is of course in dire financial straits, which will only be exacerbated by this corono terrorism.

Scotland the brave? No, Scotland the quivering, bed wetting disgrace of a nation.

I would strongly recommend all of you to watch the coverage of this lunacy on UK Column, especially their report on SAGE’s behavioural insights group.

Please remember

A HUG IS HEALTH GIVE ONE WHILE YOU STILL CAN

It really grieves me to think that many old people will die lonely and without the human touch of their families because cowardly, ill informed families have been ordered by the government not to visit.

What sort of humanity is this!!!!!!

I would love to meet up with some of you when this madness is over. We could all gather at the Nightingale Hospital in London and at least put it to good use.

8544 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to A HUG IS HEALTH, 2, #300 of 366 🔗

Brave hardy humorous Scots! What a joke! We have overweight public servants telling us what we can and can’t do; a bossy little person issuing guidance which must, by default, undermine the equally daft Westminster advice, and anyone who objects and displays independent powers of thought and deduction is automatically labelled ‘right wing’: the favoured go-to insult for the SNP’s cohorts, who supposedly promote independence-provided it’s their sort of independence.
This is pathetic.
On STV there is an annoying advert by a diminutive so called comedian ,who assures us that Scots don’t take themselves too seriously!

8565 ▶▶▶ Hammer Onats, replying to wendyk, 1, #301 of 366 🔗

Agree. Did you see the faux caring chief nurse with Sturgeon? More chins than a Chinese telephone directory.

8573 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Hammer Onats, 1, #302 of 366 🔗

Yes Hammer, seeing her last night prompted my comment on yesterday’s thread. Coincidentally, not a few of the SNP contingent at Westminster are decidedly rotund.

8586 ▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to wendyk, 1, #303 of 366 🔗

I would give Wendyk ten thumbs up if I could. I would have a lot more respect for SNP politicians if instead of doing their compassionate routine they actually tried to take a stand against Westminster by getting Scotland back to work.

8587 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Jane in France, #304 of 366 🔗

Thank you Jane

8498 Oaks79, replying to Oaks79, 7, #305 of 366 🔗

Now this is interesting: we detected SARS-CoV-2−reactive CD4+ T cells in ∼40-60% of unexposed individuals, suggesting cross-reactive T cell recognition between circulating ‘common cold’ coronaviruses and SARS-CoV-2.

https://twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1261573795334303745?s=19

8504 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Oaks79, 2, #306 of 366 🔗

Raises a lot of potential questions about some of the info we’ve been getting.

8537 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Oaks79, 3, #307 of 366 🔗

This is very important. Explains why we never need herd immunity at 60% level. Also that the “roof “ to reach for the pandemic in each country is much lower than thought. Finally fits very well with Prof Levitt’s graphs for the pandemic. There is a resistance in the population and we don’t need that high level of antibodies in the population as predicted to stop the epidemic.

8549 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Oaks79, 4, #308 of 366 🔗

If this means what I think it means (that many of us have cells from the immune system which can recognize and kill Covid-19 because of the similarities between it and the common cold- another coronavirus) then this tells us why the epidemic is already petering out all over the world; it is running out of susceptible people to infect. We wondered why so many people had symptomless infection to a so-called novel coronavirus and this also explains that.

8499 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #309 of 366 🔗

This is an absolute thing to view, two videos published by Michael Levitt just on you tube describing the epidemic curve with I think will have enormous consequences
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCgPf1SuPNY&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=65&v=Uw2ZTaiN97k&feature=emb_logo

Think if we had Prof Levitt instead of Neil Ferguson?

8558 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to swedenborg, 2, #310 of 366 🔗

Instinctively it’s very hard for a virus to continue spreading exponentially. Models seem to assume we’re all uniformly stood side by side like chess pieces and don’t move. People will automatically take action to stay at home or whatever without needing to be told if they see that there’s a deadly virus spreading towards their area.

8505 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 13, #311 of 366 🔗

This is from https://twitter.com/venivici27/status/1261377128186159105

Germany’s Robert Koch Institute: 84676 infected under age of 50. Of these: 83 died. CFR for under 50 ~ 0.1%. For people under 40, CFR is 0.01%. IFR is even lower than CFR at least 10 times according to antibody tests. Only 30 people under age of 40 died. https://rki.de/DE/Content/Inf

This information must be spreading like wildfire in Germany. Even politicians must understand (never admit) that they have made the worst mistake ever crushing the German economy because of this.

8507 ▶▶ Sally, replying to swedenborg, 6, #312 of 366 🔗

Right, so the IFR for almost everyone would be lower than that for swine flu (0.02%), which – rightly – no one panicked about, at least not to the extent of wrecking lives and economies worldwide.

8535 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Sally, 4, #313 of 366 🔗

Swine flu affected more young people as well, whereas SARS-CoV-2 barely touches this age group – and yet the CDC still didn’t recommend school closures in 2009! What on earth are we doing to our children in 2020? I was 10 years old during the swine flu pandemic and my school did not close, I was not confined to my house, and there was no lockdown. All I remember were those blue ‘Catch It, Bin It, Kill It’ public information posters.

8661 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 1, #314 of 366 🔗

If anything those “Catch it, Bin it, Kill it” posters were actually good because they’re more effective than face masks. Its a mystery why no-one has thought of bringing them back.

8508 swedenborg, #315 of 366 🔗

https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1261454284488691712/photo/1

Somebody now classifying two type of deaths one with Covid-19 and one from Covid-19
Colorado. Good idea to do this in the UK?

8511 Gossamer, replying to Gossamer, 8, #316 of 366 🔗

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/15/we-could-open-up-again-and-forget-the-whole-thing/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

He is excellent.

“I frankly still cannot fully understand how our governments can be so stupid … And it is going on and on and on, just because governments are afraid of admitting an error. They are trying to find excuses.”

8536 ▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Gossamer, 1, #317 of 366 🔗

I honestly hope that it IS just stupidity and over reaction on the part of all the governments. And not something more sinister. Or whether it was initially over reaction and now the more sinister faces such as Gates have seen their chance and gone for it.

8571 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to CarrieAH, 2, #318 of 366 🔗

Me being a jaded and cynical awkward git, I think it is all planned and the governments either willing participants, bought off or threatened into going along with it. Probably all the independent research videos I’ve watched over the years.

8877 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, #319 of 366 🔗

Me too. 140 countries don’t act in unison unless some pretty serious pressure is being applied.

8523 Count Ignatieff, #320 of 366 🔗

Surely the only song that truly sums up all this is ‘I can feel the fear in the western world’ by Ultravox.

8524 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #321 of 366 🔗

I think they are starting to backpedal, download it for when it gets deleted from youtube again:

https://youtu.be/adj8MCsZKlg

So why all the scaremongering and media hype?

As us un

8531 ▶▶ Adele Bull, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #322 of 366 🔗

Was this the briefing on 11th May? I don’t watch them anymore! Why aren’t the MSM running with this? My husband bought the Times today, so depressing, banging on about a second spine etc etc. I just don’t get it…

8538 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Adele Bull, 8, #323 of 366 🔗

Yep so it says at the beginning,

I don’t watch them either but this was put on the off-guardian website apparently, my son sent it to me as him and his mates are having fun reposting things that are deleted from youtube and Facebook, winding up the sheeple and posting lots of the things I send him that shows it’s all crap. They enjoy winding up the censors as they are all furloughed as they are chefs in proper restaurants and destination eating pubs so it’s giving them somethings o do.

He was contacted by one of his old teachers on facebook who turned out to be a rabid pro I’m waiting for the vaccine nut. I sent the son a few links about Bill gates plans, how he has killed and maimed lots of people and the teacher never appeared again.

My son and his friends have learnt that beating them with facts is good fun as they sulk and disappear.

8876 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, #324 of 366 🔗

Well done, AG.

8542 ▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #325 of 366 🔗

I remember Whitty saying all this last Monday. I don’t normally watch the briefings any more but this one, I did, as I wanted to see what they would say about raising the lockdown. My mouth dropped open when Whitty said this – at last, people will wake up and listen! Nope …. not one part of the MSM picked up on it.

8556 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #326 of 366 🔗

There was a momentary glimpse of behind the curtain, perhaps, at 1.46.

Chris Whitty says “…this is perfectly open data; perfectly possible for people to get hold of if they want…” in a way that suggested that in his world the default is for data not to be ‘open’. He said it in a way that suggested we might be surprised to find that the data was open – because he knows that at the moment, openness and truthfulness from the government is very unusual. I took it to mean that the government is currently studying other data that reveals the actual truth, and that we cannot be allowed to look at that.

8579 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #327 of 366 🔗

This is worth a listen, it’s 5 mins of a one hour lecture Whitty gave in 2018 entitled ‘how to control a pandemic’, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBiGk4ORjhQ

8527 Hammer Onats, replying to Hammer Onats, 3, #328 of 366 🔗

Why don’t the cops just have the honesty to say they don’t believe this nonsense they are enforcing? “ The chief of British Transport Police in Scotland is facing criticism after making two trips from Glasgow to Yorkshire to visit his family home during lockdown.

British Transport Police (BTP) have confirmed to The Daily Record that Eddie Wylie made the 480-mile round trips between his Glasgow flat and his other home in Holmfirth”.

8547 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Hammer Onats, 6, #329 of 366 🔗

Please. If they didn’t all have double standards, they wouldn’t have any at all.

8539 Gillian, replying to Gillian, 5, #330 of 366 🔗

Can anybody provide a view on why the BMA are backing the teaching unions that it is too early to partially open primary schools in England from 1 June as it is not “safe” (hate that word) to do so. I feel sure that this will mean a postponement until September. I thought the BMA (as compared to the teaching unions) are quite sensible, as a rule.

8545 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Gillian, 12, #331 of 366 🔗

The BMA were sensible, about thirty years ago, but they’ve gone left-wing in recent years, just as the teachers have. It’s all part of the long, slow March through the institutions. Most younger doctors will also be very left wing because they’ve undergone years of indoctrination in our schools and universities. Finding anyone vaguely right wing in the education establishment is like finding the proverbial needle in a haystack. They’re out there, but they keep their heads down and opinions to themselves for the sake of their jobs and families.
It’s how socialism takes hold.

8552 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Gillian, 1, #332 of 366 🔗

Same reason that all these quangos, association, companies, governments do these are stupidity – common purpose useful idiots.

8553 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Gillian, 1, #333 of 366 🔗

It is not about what is good for the children but what these organisations think would be good in terms of political standing and what they can get out of it. Monsters!

8546 Oaks79, 4, #334 of 366 🔗

“The more the Government appears to be out of control, incompetent, panicking, to be placing the lives of the populace at risk, the more that populace clammers for the extension of the lockdown, for stronger measures, more intrusive solutions, for better protection from the invisible threat. Whether this crisis has been manufactured by the Government and its corporate clients and to what purpose should no longer be questions except for those who refuse to read the data and legislation I have presented and analysed in my last two articles: the question we must answer is how to oppose the totalitarian measures this crisis has ushered in”
This is a long read but a must read.

https://architectsforsocialhousing.co.uk/2020/05/12/the-state-of-emergency-as-paradigm-of-government-coronavirus-legislation-implementation-and-enforcement/

8548 johnnymiles1, #335 of 366 🔗

Brilliant keep the pressure on, this will be exposed as the greatest con on the British people ever seen.
We are a nations of bedwetters with no challenge to the mainstream media with their constant and very successful mission of peddling fear and anxiety.

8551 Awkward Git, #336 of 366 🔗

Very good article on Fauci’s history and career:

http://stateofthenation.co/?p=13812

8557 Snarly, #337 of 366 🔗

Have just spotted this comment in a facebook post asking for recommendations for roast dinner deliveries:
“Sorry, but I keep seeing posts about takeaways and restaurants. Surely it’s safer in this current climate to cook in your own home? Enjoy the excellent restaurants, cafes and takeaways we have to offer when this is over, I know I will.”
I just totally despair!

8561 Awkward Git, #338 of 366 🔗

The beginning of this video “newscast” from X22 explains there are more people fighting back than you think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgXl-8I_pkE

These guys have some very interesting videos as well:

https://www.youtube.com/user/NextNewsNetwork/videos

8563 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #339 of 366 🔗

From the Lancet https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S1473-3099%2820%2930314-5
Investigation of a COVID-19 outbreak in Germany resulting from a single travel-associated primary case: a case series
Quote
The present investigation enables us to determine secondary attack rates based on closely monitored high ¬risk contacts. The secondary attack rate thereby decreases with the intensity of contact: among members of the cohorted household, the secondary attack rate was 75%, but decreased to 10% among household contacts that were only together until isolation of the case. Although the experience with the cohorted family is based on a single observation, it shows the high risk of close household contacts—ie, sharing a room—of a case in home isolation and calls for strong measures within households to prevent transmission, particularly if susceptible people are present. Among 217 non ¬household high ¬risk contacts that were cumulatively followed up because of direct contact with a confirmed case, 11 were infected. The resulting secondary attack rate of 5% seems low, indicating little spread in this cluster.

What does this mean? High risk for infection in cohorted contacts. Low risk outside household.
When the lockdown started in the UK many were already incubating the disease. You can be sure of that the lockdown made it pretty certain they really infected the household members. Good idea of the lockdown?

8577 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to swedenborg, 1, #340 of 366 🔗

Well that was bourne out in New York city where a lot of cases were from people hunkering down at home.

8566 Mark, replying to Mark, 2, #341 of 366 🔗

Well I nipped out the back door and across the park (one of those mentioned in the flyers, but not in London) before 12 to see if anything was going to happen,but no sign of any demo here, so came back in few minutes ago. If anything kicks off I’ll hear it, with the windows open, and go back down for a look.

A fair few people around just enjoying the park, a couple of police cars parked in an access road, and a couple of hivis jacketed patrollers. That was it.

8575 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Mark, 3, #342 of 366 🔗

I’m in Hyde Park in Leeds (even nearer than Sheffield). No bugger here lol. Although, this park is MASSIVE (one of the biggest in the country) so maybe people are spread out. Actually there are quite a few people here milling about just nobody is ‘organised’ or anything. Oh well ima plonk me deckchair down and read me buke.

8583 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Farinances, #343 of 366 🔗

Big nothing it looks like atm. Maybe London will see something happening.

8596 ▶▶▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Mark, #344 of 366 🔗

The Mail Online are reporting protests and arrests in Hyde Park, London. Though whether you trust the Mail ….!

8597 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to CarrieAH, 1, #345 of 366 🔗

Well if there’s going to be any protest in any of these parks, that’s where you’d expect it to be.

8613 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Mark, #346 of 366 🔗

Everyone in Leeds is too busy putting suntan lotion on heh – sun’s not even out!

8619 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Farinances, #347 of 366 🔗

Suntan lotion, in May on a day like this!? I prefer to let my skin soak up the UV and create some vit D. Mind you, I don’t usually hang around in the sun for more than an hour or so.

8580 rforsixpence, #348 of 366 🔗

How are you calculating the IFR as 0.076% in the opening paragraph? 50,000 deaths divided by 19 million infected gives 0.26%. Must be missing something. Thanks.

8581 Nobody2020, 9, #349 of 366 🔗

As more and more countries start opening up to be more like Sweden I’ve noticed a marked drop in news sources on Sweden. Sweden got it wrong but now we’re getting like them we’ll just ignore them because that would just be awkward.

8584 Mark, replying to Mark, 5, #350 of 366 🔗

Why does common sense feel so revolutionary now?

– Farinances in the comments down-thread. That should be your blog’s motto, Toby.

8585 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Mark, 1, #351 of 366 🔗

*bows*

8589 CarrieAH, replying to CarrieAH, 8, #352 of 366 🔗

From the Telegraph:
The coding that led to lockdown was totally unreliable and “ a buggy mess that looks more like a bowl of angel hair pasta than a finely tuned piece of programming”, says David Richards, co-founder of British data technology company WANdisco.

“In our commercial reality, we would fire anyone for developing code like this and any business that relied on it to produce software for sale would likely go bust.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/05/16/coding-led-lockdown-totally-unreliable-buggy-mess-say-experts/

8593 ▶▶ GLT, replying to CarrieAH, 3, #353 of 366 🔗

If I had incurred a large financial loss as a result of the lockdown, I would definitely be tempted to sue ICL for negligence on the back of the reviews that have been done on the model itself. It seems that it falls far below the standards that one would expect of a model from an institution of that calibre. Especially with regard to basics such as reproducibility. Also in view of the fundamental errors in the report to the government itself, as per the review on this site.

8647 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to GLT, #354 of 366 🔗

Class action suit against them and the nutty professor

8599 Mark, #355 of 366 🔗
8600 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #356 of 366 🔗

Things are getting more weird by each day
Bizarre EU-Funded Comic Book Predicted Pandemic, With Globalists As Saviours

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bizarre-eu-funded-comic-book-predicted-pandemic-globalists-saviours

8611 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to swedenborg, #357 of 366 🔗

Wowsers !!

Have they forgotten who the last lot of globalists were?

8867 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to swedenborg, #358 of 366 🔗

Why the flying fuck are the eu producing comics ?

8603 Mark, replying to Mark, 2, #359 of 366 🔗

The ultimate covidiots: Scuffles break out as police lead away anti-lockdown activists in Hyde Park as hundreds attend protests against restrictions across the UK
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8326161/Police-arrest-activists-anti-lockdown-protesters-gather-Hyde-Park.html

Would be nice to have names for those responsible for the evident editorial decision at the Mail to keep on using the childish abuse term “covidiots” on their front page.

Still, useful to be reminded regularly that the Mail is a gutter rag at heart, however reasonable its politics might seem (assuming you are on the “establishment right” side of politics, obviously).

Some of “our guys” here at lockdownsceptics.org had said they were going to be at Hyde Park in London, so hopefully we can get some more honest reporting on it here later.

8606 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Mark, 1, #360 of 366 🔗

Loving the policewoman using a piece of cardboard as a shield

8607 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #361 of 366 🔗

I’d buy the “freedom over fear” guy a beer.

Not so impressed with the “this is fascism” shouter – people are so quick to trot out the “f” word at these demos.

“David Samson, 50, who said he works in finance, told the PA news agency he came because ‘I never thought I’d see in my generation the suppressing of civil rights’ over a ‘fake virus’.”

Good man!

8653 Farinances, replying to Farinances, #362 of 366 🔗
8659 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Farinances, 5, #363 of 366 🔗

“The decisions that were taken were as follows- and they were taken to PROTECT THE FACE OF THE NHS AT ALL COSTS.

1) You stop all forms of surgery and diagnostic testing completely. Cancer, heart disease – the lot. The National Health Service becomes the National Covid Service.
2) You clear every bed that you can. This is when the patients, so-called ‘bed blockers’, get sent back to care homes.
3) You shut down all private medicine – and you do a deal to use their resources for Covid only.

The result of this is that Britain is spared that humiliation – we did not have the scenes they had in Italy or Spain. But- there is a terrible price to pay, because there’s the deaths of the people that should have been treated. Or are terrified to go to hospital for other things and are therefore dying in droves.
As the deaths go down in hospitals, they go up in care homes. Why were we so cavalier about care homes? BECAUSE THEY’RE NOT PART OF THE NHS. They’re not covered by that magic label.

That joke about the NHS being the nearest thing to a national religion has actually come true. The NHS behaved exactly as the Catholic Church did under the threat of child abuse – IT TRIED TO PROTECT THE INSTITUTION, NOT THE PATIENT.”

8703 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Farinances, 1, #364 of 366 🔗

“I would sack Hancock, he would have to go”

8708 ▶▶▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #365 of 366 🔗

Hancock is looking a shadow of his former self anyway now. He looks like a startled rabbit caught in car headlights, knowing that sooner or later he is going to be run over.

9112 steve__m, #366 of 366 🔗

Do people understand where the 19 million figure in the headline comes from? It wasn’t from testing people.

They calculated the reducing rates of reinfection, and found a vague correlation between different groups of people (different cities and so forth) that fit the best if the rate of infection was 150 higher than the number of positive tests.

But if you wiggled the line a bit, it would be equally plausible for it to be just 10 times higher (which seems more likely).

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