2020-06-16

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/mass-coronavirus-testing-in-quarantined-beijing-mzsnwmzxp

Came from Europe

New snooping epidemic will outlive Covid-19

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/new-snooping-epidemic-will-outlive-covid-19-297nsqx20

Jobs figures look strong until you scratch the surface by Philip Aldrick Economics Editor

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/jobs-figures-look-strong-until-you-scratch-the-surface-xqflx208c

Wales is truly a shambles with us restricted to local travel which the guidance says is 5 miles. Anyway tomorrow I am making a break for the UK to spend time with my sons and Grandson in England.

The police in Wales have indeed been acting as if it is a police state and the Welsh Government have been tightening the legislation as time has gone by.

Interestingly I believe that there is nothing to stop someone from England travelling to Wales for a day trip (despite the Welsh police turning back a 1000 vehicles from England a few weekends ago). I’d be interested in any legal views on this but:

The legislation, here, restricting travel etc. is The Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (Wales) Regulations 2020

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/wsi/2020/353/contents

Section 1 (2) says “These Regulations apply in relation to Wales”

Section 8 (1) restricts travel ” During the emergency period, no person may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.”

Thus, I would contend, that anyone visiting Wales from England cannot have their travel restricted as they do not live in Wales for this section to apply. i.e. The Act does not restrict travel per se in Wales, it just restricts people leaving the ‘place where they are living’. If the do not have a home here in Wales it cannot therefore apply.

Thoughts anyone?

How is the famous “5 miles” restriction codified in law, if at all?

‘Five miles’ us a slightly flexible term for some people where I come from ( won’t specify in case the Gestapo are listening), but to anybody running a business it’s.ruination, because the Gestapo really will be after them if they don’t conform. And all ‘tourist’ activities, i.e. practically all activities hereabouts, count as ‘unnecessary travel’.

My town already looks like a ghost town, and if Stalin Drakeford has his way, it will become one and stay one fir the foreseeable future. Ruined hopes, ruined lives.

Toby put up the website for a Welsh sceptics site sometime ago but I can’t find it. Did anyone bookmark it, please?

https://wethepeople.wales/

Unlike London which gets year round tourist trade the tourist industry in Wales is dependent on the summer trade. If tourist dependent businesses miss the summer trade, I don’t see how businesses can be viable. All Shops in England can open but here in Wales we can’t.

All our tourist businesses in West Wales depend utterly in the summer season. With the winderful weather, this year ought to have been a bonanza.
Instead: Drakeford’s apocalypse.
I could strangle him with my own hands. I could really.

If large numbers of hotels, B & Bs and campsites go bust, this will permanently kill off our tourist trade because who will want to come and visit wales or anywhere else in the uk if there is nowhere to stay. Remaining hotels can charge higher if they have less competition.

They can charge higher but who will stay in them?

Indeed because people won’t just bother going.

The people of Wales must NEVER forget

I feel deep concern on behalf of all the local owners of cafes, hotels, BandBs and other holiday lets, and tourist attractions here where I live in West Wales. They work themselves to the bone all summer to make enough money during the “season” to keep body and soul together from October to April. I tremble to think how they are going to survive the next one with no summer income in sight as this absurd, irrational lockdown drags on and on.

The Irish legislation was held to not cover those who live in Northern Ireland on similar words as their place they were living was not in the Republic of Ireland. This resulted in NI residents having full freedom of movement in the Republic.

I happened to stray over the border into Wales a couple of weeks ago. I live in Hereford and drove to Llanthony Priory to walk through the empty valley and up onto the hills. But I was accosted by the young female farmer and her familiar. I was asked if I was ‘local’, and given a really hard time. They were furious that I might have touched a gate etc. Although they couldn’t quote the legislation, I too was unsure if it was actually legislation or just ‘guidance’, this has been the source of much confusion I think. Anyway I did leave, but vowed never to buy Welsh lamb again. It doesn’t encourage you to think of Wales as a holiday destination.

There are thick people everywhere, Emma. We received a FPN from Sussex plod a few weeks ago. I’ll probably keep drinking Harveys though …

Such a bad advert for Wales. Disaster. They are really doing themselves no favours.

It’s not just Wales, Cornwall has a dreadful attitude. Lake District too. I was thinking of escaping to Ireland but a friend there said in the smaller remote places, we wouldn’t be welcome.

Long time since I did my law degree but I would hazard that your assessment is probably correct Schrodinger .

I’m lucky to live within 7 miles of the English border, so we take that as being local and are merrily hopping across the border whenever we feel like it. I think a lot of people are just doing what they like now – feels like it on the roads and seeing people out and about, there doesn’t seem to be much social distancing going on. Apparently both Severn Bridges were very busy on Monday with the English shops opening. Good on all those Welsh folk eager to start shopping. Whether Dragfeet likes it or not people have decided that lockdown is over. He seems paralysed with fear and unable to lead or make any sort of decision. Hopefully his days are number – Welsh elections next year and Labour will not be getting my vote.

If enough of you just get out there and defy them, what are they going to do- arrest you all?

It would seem that the more “progressive” the local government, the stricter the lockdown.

I just sent this to Drakeford and took the liberty of using some of your text, hope you don’t mind:
Dear Mr Drakeford,

I am writing to seek clarification on the law regarding travel into Wales from England.

The legislation, here, restricting travel etc. is The Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (Wales) Regulations 2020

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/wsi/2020/353/contents

Section 1 (2) says “These Regulations apply in relation to Wales”

Section 8 (1) restricts travel ” During the emergency period, no person may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.”

Thus, I would contend, that anyone visiting Wales from England cannot have their travel restricted as they do not live in Wales for this section to apply. i.e. the Act does not restrict travel per se in Wales, it just restricts people leaving the ‘place where they are living’. If they do not have a home in Wales it cannot therefore apply. Please can you inform me as soon as possible if I have understood this correctly. I intend to visit Hay on Wye this week-end, as I do frequently under normal circumstances, contributing to the Welsh economy.

Unless you intend to ruin the tourism industry for Wales, which has a short enough season, I urge you to abandon the extreme restrictions and really damaging social distancing measures currently in place.

Putting a patient on a ventilator is near enough a death sentence. Why are they still doing it at all? Trying to make that poor practice less deadly seems like backwards thinking to me. Preventative measures like HCQ would surely be more appropriate.

Well the same trial showed HCQ had no effect. The data show that the most severe patients benefit most from steroid treatment. And not putting them on a ventilator? There is little data on that course if care in those so sick that there are no options left.

The guy heading up the dexamethasone study was clear in not ruling out positive effects of HCQ for patients with mild symptoms or as a preventative drug.

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Ye gods, today has been truly awful – idiots in supermarkets seem to be doubling in number every week: I nearly lost my rag today. Yet we see that EVEN William Hague has finally twigged what has happened. Just what sort of asinine f**kwit does one have to be to still support this insane lockdown – and how come the government is still behind it? Hmm, I guess the first part of my last sentence answers the second part!

“Just what sort of asinine f**kwit does one have to be to still support this insane lockdown”
I hope this is a rhetorical question otherwise it’s going to be an awfully long list……

Just reading this thread and laughing makes me feel SOOOO much better – thanks both

You’re welcome! Come back tomorrow and the day after….it’s certainly kept me sane over recent weeks. !

Start off with those who are against the lockdown, less writers cramp!

Whenever you hear someone quoting the latest deaths remind them

“It practically guaranteed attribution of COVID 19 mortality on the flimsiest of evidence. For example, the ONS stated:

If before death the patient had symptoms typical of COVID 19 infection…it would be satisfactory to give ‘COVID-19’ as the cause of death.”

As the ONS acknowledges, these symptoms could have been caused by a range of respiratory illnesses. The obvious consequence of the guidance they issued is over, not under, diagnosis of COVID 19. Doctors have to follow policy like anyone else. They are not to blame for this problem. State legislators and policymakers are.“

https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/13/lockdown-regime-deaths-the-true-cost-of-lokin-20/

I habe seen people running at night on empty streets with a mask on, people with masks and gloves at supermarkets, people avoiding people like dog shit on a very wide pavement and walking on the road instead. I have seen people putting masks on their children etc.. i have lost it quite along time ago and am very pessimistic about all these ocd ridden hypocondriac people

Just let the silly buggers get on with it. Help them, indeed: Darwinian selection to remove the hopelessly moronic. Walk straight towards them and force them under a bus. Talk loudly about the dangers of maskwearing. Jeer. Snigger. You’re quite safe, how can they
possibly touch you?

Exercising with a Mask could prove fatal:

https://infosurhoy.com/science/exercising-with-a-face-mask-on-could-prove-fatal-expert-warns/

Maybe a few well placed posters on popular running routes may help?

‘the safety of the sporting community’, eh?
No hope, you guys. Mask on, you drop dead from CO2 poisoning. Mask off, you drop dead from the Covibug.
Much better to keep unfit.

Just done my weekly foray to the shops. Busier than of late.

Waitrose – no queue, all as per normal inside. No bloody molasses sugar though !

Homebase – no queue, totally deserted. I asked a manager if they had ever been full. Oh yes, she said. She told me their limit is 20 people (in a place the size of a hangar). When I pointed out that the smaller Waitrose takes 32, she explained that the 20 poor sods need to be managed. She by now was giving true believer signals, so I laughed & walked on. At the till, asked if the loos were open. No, but I could use them ! Left to staff discretion, apparently. We agreed the guidelines allowed for loos to be open.

Stationers (small chain) – lady at door had a visor. This is voluntary, to “make people feel safer”. Thereafter no problem.

Health Food shop (Independent) – asked if I would mind sanitising. ‘Yes’, I said. Then feeling a bit more was called for, said ‘Allergies’. Thereafter no problem.

No leapers, only a few maskers. This nonsense is on its way out.

Oh I hope so.

No molasses, how can we bear it?

(Only joking. Your message has cheered me.)

As it happens, Annie, my wife found a bag or organic coconut sugar in Lidl. So all is well with my coffee once again.

My wife just got a delivery of porridge oats from amazon.

Holy god, but I’ve never seen so many oats together in one place in my life.

Aldi’s organic oats are fantastic.

Delighted to hear it, enjoy!

Some shopstaff really relish thier new powers of authority, high vis, mask, two way radio earpiece, wrap around shades etc.. Comical really. Reminds me of stewards at a local music festival rugby tackling me for smoking near the main stage marquee when the idiotic smoking ban was enacted. Asshats)

Not only is Hancock taking what amounts to personal credit for the dexamethasone discovery, it was only possible at all because of developing, backing and being guided by “the science”, of course…

“Thanks to the brilliant scientists at Oxford University, working with the NHS, funded by the government, we’ve been able to develop the science that shows that dexamethasone reduces mortality by between a sixth and a third. This is huge step forward and it’s because we’ve backed the science , and because we’ve taken an approach that’s guided by the science that we’ve been able to deliver this result.”

When will he go away??

Not soon enough. He is so smug and arrogant. These people think they’re above the law, oh wait…

Please, please, please let Hancock have broken lockdown. I live for the day that any indiscretion, however minor, is exposed…

He’s a pre-programmes robot. It’s the only explanation for the way he walks and talks.

pre-programmed not pre-programmes! Oh for an edit button for those of us whose eyesight is no longer up to standard and whose auto correct has a mind of its’ own.

Here he is at world economic forum 2019 getting his programming:

https://www.facebook.com/matthancockofficial/photos/a.523654854422238/2010641649056877/?theater

The Duracell Bunny, complete with cloth ears and stuffing inbetween.

He’s certainly one of the strangest individuals I’ve ever come across. I would suggest redeployment as Headmaster to a minor public school in Surrey (should any be left solvent if/when this is all over).

Maybe catch him on public transport, eg getting out of a taxi, without a mask?!

A member of the Cabinet? Use public transport??? The very idea!
I think they should summon the rest of the layoffs back to Parliament and see how they like a several-hour journey by train, wearing a mask!
And while they’re at it, they should superglue one to Kahn’s face.

If masks were compulsory in Parliament, how long would it be before the rule was scrapped? If they try to make it compulsory in shops and other places where people mingle, then surely it has to also be compulsory in Parliament?

Especially with all the hot air being generated in there

Parliament isn’t sitting.

Yes of course, we know all about the brilliant scientists at Oxford University, from the meticulous attention paid by Hancock to Sunetra Gupta and her work!

Carl Heneghan too

https://www.cebm.net/oxford-covid-19-evidence-service/

Spot the ever increasing bumber of hospital trusts reporting no deaths. Surely this should be healine news. Oh wait . . .

I’ve said it before – he loves this. Every minute of it. Little did he imagine, on that disappointing morning when he got the call and it was only health secretary, that he would – only a few months into the future – be virtually the most important man in the UK and able to strut around almost every day (except when those inconvenient irritants, Johnson, Raab and Sunak hogged the limelight) telling the British public what was good for them and being able to refer to _actual_ NHS workers as “colleagues”!

And threatening to take away people’s exercise time. Remember that one? Stuck up fascist pig.

I certainly do. It reminded me of nothing more than a primary school teacher threatening to keep the whole class in if the naughty boys don’t behave.

Doing that on a national scale to civilians is classed, if my memory serves me, under the Geneva convention as a war crime.

..while having shares in a pharmaceutical company..

He’s the frontman for an AI infiltration scheme – see his past jobs.

That’s what worries me – is that why he got that particular ministerial post, given that we know the EU have been planning immunity passports since at least 2018? Even after Brexit people will still travel..

He actually hold them on behalf of the UK Government as Secretary of State for Health. When the person in the job changes so does the named shareholder.

The only thing I couldn’t find out while researching this last month is why our Government would part-privatise Porton Down laboratories (where they do germ warfare and cold/influenza research for the Government and military), hold 100% of the shares then take contracts to do anthrax vaccine research for the US Government?

Fishy, looks like a way to get round bans on certain research by Governments so that both the UK and US can say “not me boss, it’s a private company doing it”.

Is that the same Oxford University that says there is no scientific basis for the 2m rule?

Hmm, you know what – I think it just might be…

Ooo have they just become flavour of the month? Oxford Uni even had their own man at the pedestal today during the government update I understand.

I very much hope so. Anything is better than bad old Imperial College.

To Hancock: Then lift the lockdown you blqqdy cretin.

This is all you need to know about Hancock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrgCYK9xrRw

What a creep. He wouldn’t know what social distancing was if it punched him in the nose…

He’s not going away any time soon!

https://twitter.com/russellhoward/status/1264179614051700736

Russell Howard has done something funny. Amazing!
And he’s not wrong, either.

And yet the reports from doctors (not medical bureaucrats) from around the world have said that HCQ+zinc has had a near universal success rate, so the 20% cited for dexamethasone seems rather lame.

Develop the science? Because nobody knew that giving an anti-inflammatory steroid might mitigate and inflammatory cascade. It’s pleasing that the data show such a clear response on mortality, but I imagine it’s been de facto standard of care for the most sick patients already.

If I remember rightly (and it’s not guaranteed!) at the beginning of the panic, they were advising not to use steroids.

When we hang him.

(Seriously guys……. I don’t normally condone violence but I think I can make an exception for this weasel)

I’d make an exception for all of them. No problem either in proving their guilt. They confess to their crimes on a daily basis.

Does treason only extend to overthrowing the government rather than the entire country?

In history, violence over the years has solved a lot of problems so don’t apologise.

Sometimes it’s necessary to fight, even Ghandi agreed. He was not the true pacifist that “mainstream history” makes him out to be. He believed that you did not start a fight but could use violence to defend yourself and others if you or they were attacked.

Don’t forget that its also because we’ve carried out our ‘civic duty’….

Hague – good he has realised what’s coming.

But ‘listen to Blair’ ? Large scale testing ? Dear me, no, no, no.

Agreed, let’s not listen to Blair eh?’

On anything, anything at all. Odious, odious man.

Odious and dangerous.

Testing will do no good. Test to find what exactly? That most people are asymptomatic and not contagious?

They are really just wanting to track people..any excuse..

And the test isn’t cv-19 specific anyway!

If ye look, ye shall find…..

So basically, they want to find more cases… justifying continuation of madness.
Or, they want to use testing to fuel covipass or some other track & trace dictator’s wet dream.

Either way, it’s not great. (My money is on BLiar wanting covipass or some similar scheme cause digital ID systems have been *his* wet dream since the 90s)

When will people realise that Johnson hasn’t saved thousands of lives but has condemned thousands to death?

Maybe 100s of thousands indeed – and that is ignoring the fact that if the UK had stuck with the Sweden approach many third world countries (where 10s of millions may die of starvation etc following their lockdowns) to avoid the lockdown trap!

Insert :- ‘would have been encouraged to [avoid the lockdown trap].

Yes, note that William Hague (see Toby’s post above) mentioned a few countries where the social distancing is less than 2m, but failed to include Sweden, likely deliberately!

In many of those thrid world countries the lockdown enforcement forces have killed many more than the virus has, or ever could. And that’s before the lockdown induced famine begins.

It will come Kevin. I promise you. People may sometimes be a little slow about it, but they tend to get very angry when they realise they’ve been had. And the people of this country – among others – have been had in a big, big way. If the government had ended lockdown when they had achieved the purpose for which they claim they applied it – to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed – they would have got away with it. Too late now. This government is doomed.

Agree – we’ve been sold a pup. What worries me is that some people can be so sensitive that they’ve rather go along with the illusion than own up to being duped

Very true Tom. But the longer they cling to a delusion, the louder the pop when it goes. In turn, the greater the anger.

Pop goes the pup?

Hello, RSPCA ?

“It’s Easier to Fool People Than to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled”

Unfortunately, so are we.

I think I even heard a BBC R4 presenter challenging a minister on the 2m social distancing and lockdown this morning.

On BBC R4?! Sure you weren’t hallucinating?

Bbc and challenging ? Two words i can’t seem to put together…

Asking why it isn’t 3m?!

Even that “Save the NHS” was weird. It’s the NHS that should be saving us!!

What is the point of a health service that works by telling people not to seek medical attention.

If you’re frail and elderly it’s currently the National Death Service.
For anyone needing routine stuff, it’s the Naitonal Covid Service.

Not so sure about that. Just had a row with a mate on Facebook (wife of a university HoD where I was a Visiting Fellow) who is furious that I refuse to wear a mask. Even now, in mid June, when the damn thing is on the wane she is saying I’m neglecting my civic duty. These are not stupid people but believe the lie. I’ve given her three lots of material about how masks don’t work and she’s having none of it and considers me a selfish fascist for not protecting other people. And she’s had three months to do a bit if research to unearth the real story but believes the mainstream narrative. Another friend down.

Did she also believe we were going to run out of sandwiches if we Brexited?

All this just…. really, really reminds me of super gonorrhea scaremongering

Really interesting how this crisis has revealed many people for who they really are. It’s like what Walter Bagehot has said, letting daylight into magic.

Check out Yuri Bezmenov: The Four Stages of Ideological Subversion where he explains:
The goal of these active measures campaigns, “is to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that, despite the abundance of information, no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interests of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.”

Once we hear of more job losses (as I don’t see many shops that have reopened yesterday surviving beyond this month at the bare minimum) and as the furlough scheme is rolled by July and finally wound down by October then I won’t be surprised if there’s rioting in the streets. As I’ve said before if Johnson and co thinks that its only the Tarquins and Jemimas jumping on the BLM bandwagon they have to worry about, they should be even more afraid of the ordinary Joe Public. When he’s lost his job or business and home then realises that he has nothing left to lose by rioting then the government is doomed.

That’s why they passed the ban on gatherings of more than 6 people, to prevent protests! Incidentally, Toby writes above, that there is a sunset clause in that bill, but Mason Mills on Twitter says not…and whoever he really is, he does seem to have insider info.. Simon Dolan needs to investigate that pronto!

If people become so angry I don’t think that’s even going to work and it will become violent. It could make the 2011 riots look like a picnic.

Mason Mills is Dominic Cummings isn’t he?

He claims he is not, and that he is not a member of the ‘team’, but I think he protests too much… He clearly has insider info, whoever he (she?) is. His posts today drove me mad!

Funnily enough, “I’m not Dominic Cummings” is exactly what Dominic Cummings would say, while operating under a Twitter pseudonym

Many suspect Mason Mills is Dom Cummings.

As do I, but he keeps claiming he is not…

Incidentally, Mason also seems to be hinting that the 6 person limit to protests by law means now that the police will *have to* enforce it and cannot just take a knee and ignore BLM protests, or indeed selectively ignore any particular types of protest that they (or their bosses) secretly approve of. Also that Khan can be ‘put back in his box’ by this law… Interesting…

There’s a BLM event going on where I am today, stalls, music, picnic blankets. They are untouchable.

I don’t think the approval from senior police or their political masters is “secret” – quite open, actually.

Yes, I’m starting to think about the French Revolution. “Let them have furloughs” may work for a while … until it ends.

Exactly. The number of people being on some form of benefits or another as well as having been added to the unemployment register is extremely worrying.

I’m getting a good slagging off over in Guido after remarking that this government might not survive. The committed Conservative supporters must be frightened I might be right.

Just a matter of time Bart. Maybe not of rioting (though I’m not ruling it out), but certainly some serious questions being asked up and down the country. It’s the public enquiry (I favour a full Royal Commission with plenary powers of interrogation, but we’re unlikely to get that) the government will fear. All will be laid bare then.

Hopefully but I suspect the government will try to weasel out of a royal commission to cover their backs. I still think there will be rioting, if the government won’t listen or are still asleep despite all the evidence and figures, Joe Public taking matters into their own hands should wake them up.

I don’t think we should be too gleeful about this. We are, after all, talking about the breakdown of civil society.

I am not gleeful and actually I am worried about the breakdown of civil society but what will it take for a tone deaf government to wake up listen? If they don’t want the economy to collapse and the civil society breakdown that could go with it then they should know what to do…..

And if they do want civil breakdown and the collapse of the economy?

They want it to collapse. Then we have martial llaw.

Exactly! As UK Column keep telling us, we’re no longer a democracy, we have a government of occupation.
They’re just waiting for (and systematically engineering) and excuse to fully show their hand.

Quite honestly we don’t have civil society at present, we have totalitarianism, the question is not how to avoid the collapse of civil society, but how to get civil society restored, and in a way which doesn’t have to involve any of the bloody inconvenient violence. Needs to start with quick restoration of the economy, returning everything to the proper old normal, and revoking all the laws passed since March.

The MSM will turn, wait for the headlines… “ Johnson hasn’t saved thousands of lives but has condemned thousands to death”

Yep, the message to ‘isolate’ also meant that thousands of people alone needing cancer treatment stopped going to hospital. How many that could have been successfully treated will now die??

I’ve been blown away by some of the stuff I’ve read over the last few weeks, but.. but… but… WHAT THE ACTUAL F**K……..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-53059487?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=5ee8e48fb0db660668cd45dc%26A%26E%20appointments%20%27may%20become%20permanent%27%20in%20UK%262020-06-16T18%3A03%3A26.858Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:df22caeb-9be3-40e5-b6d4-023489c00905&pinned_post_asset_id=5ee8e48fb0db660668cd45dc&pinned_post_type=share

So you have work out when you are going to fall off a ladder. Beyond belief.

Almost as important as (maybe more so than) making the public realise that they’ve been duped on the corona narrative, how do we make the public realise that the NHS is basically enjoying an extended, over-funded holiday?

And the educational freeloaders.

Nobody is worshipping the educational freeloaders. Close run thing, I’ll admit and I’ll also concede that they’re utterly despicable, but they are not currently enjoying an all expenses paid holiday with adulation and burnt offerings thrown in as a perk (only the all expenses paid holiday bit)

Touche.

..plus free parking, and their shopping done by people who volunteered to support the community during the ‘pandemic’…

Working flat out say the teacher’s unions while 2.4 million kids have done no work.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-2-3-million-children-have-done-almost-no-schoolwork-in-lockdown-study-finds-12007649

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8373663/Summer-holidays-NOT-cancelled-teachers-working-flat-out.html

It feels to me like they’re working to rule.

The answer my son is, instead of taking yourself off to AnE, you phone for an ambulance instead. More expensive to the government that way, but it does get you seen.

If this is true, I want my tax money and NI contributions back. I’ll just take my chances thanks.

The weblink just takes me to the Beeb’s daily update. What was the news item?

Apparently, you now have to make an appointment to go to A&E. but it’s fine – that broken leg will still be broken in September.

Took me to this story –

… the head of the Royal College of Emergency Medicine told MPs that requiring patients to have an appointment before attending hospital casualty departments may be necessary in the UK …

Just keep your finger on the artery and phone with the other hand,

The asswipes are still wring bout this corona pet bullshit….cats should stay home, no petting ather animals..ffffff off already..yes cats get their own corona cat corana(there really is something like that) covid from pet to human has never happened ever and only 3-4 cases around the world which at best are not scientifically proven..so why o why they are putting out idiotic stuff like that..my neighbour who loved my cat and sometimes let the cat stayat home at night never touches it anymoreyet taking her home..thae cat numerous times went there miawed but was declined a sad sight to see..i hate msm for turning people into maniacs..i will never ever forgive them my msm adventure is definately over for good

One day they’ll discover that slugs can carry the virus and must be individually tracked.

Hahaha!

Good grief!!!!!!!

The blessed Jacinta received bad news today with the return of covid19 to the gentle shores of New Zealand courtesy of the arrival of two poms who had been fast tracked through quarantine to visit a dying relative. She acted quickly and closed down compassionate swift quarantine in exceptional circumstances.

She actually is in as much of a pickle as Boris . She has gaslighted the people of New Zealand into believing that they will perish if covid19 returns by saying look what happened to the UK where thousands of people have died . She puts nothing in context and fails to mention that nearly half were residents of care homes.

Now she will either have to maintain her borders closed for years and the resulting mass unemployment or she will have to back down and let nature take its course. Tricky decision.

Ah yes, New Zealand, the mini-me version of sanctimonious Canada. You would have to have a heart of stone not to laugh. Not of course that FatBoJo’s UK has much to boast about, of course!

You never here that Australia has less cases per million than New Zealand.

Australia
Population = 25,486,843
Deaths = 102

New Zealand
Population = 5,002,100
Deaths = 22

Wow! What an interesting stat Andrew…no I didn’t know that because our media chooses not to tell us…it’s the same with Europe, it is hardly ever mentioned that Belgium is top of the DPM death league in Europe and the whole world.

Very close though, only about 10% higher

Australia 1 death per 249871 people

NZ 1 death per 227368 people

So is NZ being in permanent isolation worth it?

As Kiwi author Jeremy Harris points out on hectordrummond.com New Zealand has failed to acquire herd immunity. Politicians, as well as people frightened of their own shadows and cowering in their homes need to learn, or relearn, nature will always take her course. You can delay her, perhaps even frustrate her for a short while, but she is unstoppable.

Nature always wins.

Yes, the though being able to see St Jacinda, the patron saint of covid zealotry, being forced to gobble up a massive load of a certain type of pie is one of the things that keep me going.
It will happen sooner or later.

*the thought of being able

it’s just too exciting for me to be able to type correctly

I have been filling out a survey for the British Library and have said no to the following:

Pre-booking desk space in the Reading Rooms
Restricting access to the building to those with a valid booking and a Reader Pass
Staggered entry times to reduce queueing
A one-way system around the building
Changes to Reading Room layout to allow space between Readers
Pre-ordering collection items to view
Quarantine of collection items after use
Protective screens at key service points
Providing digital first services wherever possible

Availability of hand sanitiser
Enhanced venue-cleaning procedures
You are required to wear a face mask
You are required to wear gloves
Staff are required to wear face masks
Staff are required to wear gloves
On-site health monitoring (e.g. taking temperature)

And when I was asked about any other thoughts about returning to the Library, I wrote this:

I will strongly consider boycotting the library if you install all of the measures above in place. I have always appreciated how the British Library staff have treated me with kindness and courtesy and will not allow your institution to treat me as if I was a leper. I also believe that having readers and staff wear masks and gloves is a bad idea due to health and communication reasons. Long term mask wearing can lead to problems associated with the lack of oxygen going into the brain, that viruses and bacteria can saturate the mask which means that the user re-inhales all those viruses and bacteria that the body is naturally meant to exhale and that our respiratory system needs fresh air as part of healthy living. Although I am neither hearing impaired nor do I have any hearing difficulties, I have found it hard to understand what people who are masked are saying and I daresay that people who have hearing impairments or difficulties will find it even more challenging to communicate with your staff.

I had an email from the British Library this afternoon, ‘Preparing to reopen’. I guess this is the survey you’ve replied to. If so, I’ll be replying pretty well as you have.

Meanwhile, I’m making he most of the free document downloads from the PRO while they are still closed. One of the very few benefits of this insanity …

That’s the one yes.

The gloves bit made me laugh because new conservation practice has established that the fibres from gloves actually harm old books and manuscripts more than if you were bare handed.

Didn’t they have a few problems with laptop thefts a little while back? Widespread muzzle use will do that the world of good.

I actually should have mentioned that as well – muzzles will lead to a whole load of security issues like theft.

They did and of course a few years ago, some valuable manuscripts were stolen as well if I remember correctly.

I’ve just done the survey, and finished with the comment:

Please get back to the ‘old normal’ as soon as possible – tomorrow if possible. The virus has just about gone. There’s no need whatsoever for the sort of measures outlined above, any more than in an ordinary flu season.
If you mandate face-muzzles I will not be visiting. The British Library is supposed to be a beacon of enlightened thinking, and thus of liberty itself. Muzzles are the antithesis of this – the parallels with Orwell’s boot stamping on the human face forever are chilling. They are also extremely unhealthy and greatly enhance the wearers’ chances of catching a respiratory infection.
Of course, if some readers or staff think themselves vulnerable then they should be allowed to wear coverings, full hazard suits, or whatever. But such measures shouldn’t be mandated.
And the use of hand sanitiser certainly should not be mandated: some people have skin allergies, and they should not be, in effect, precluded from visiting the reading rooms.

Well said. Hope they take note of our feedback.

Oh god,it just gets worse and worse,another part of the pushing everyone to use the internet for research and information plan,every organisation is doing it’s level best to make life as unpleasant as possible for their users,also this bloody obsession with one way systems for human beings !.

Unfortunately the Internet doesn’t have everything. I’ve been unhappy about my recent research work which IMO has been subpar because I’ve been unable to access physical books.

Well actually I would definitely recommend you use the web. Stay off most MSM content is a good start… start asking Questions given what you know has been bullshit so far regarding covid and the BLM organisation

I had a telephone follow-up with my maxillo-facial consultant yesterday morning. It ought to be hilarious because it was about a big op inside my mouth last year. Pointless exercise.

To add insult to injury, I received a text this afternoon from my local NCS (National Covid Serice) trust, asking how I rated my outpatient’s appointment. Outpatients, WTF??

Wouldn’t surprise me if they are claiming that outpatient services have been resumed. Don’t you believe it!

I wonder how they can keep a straight face over that….

Deserves more up-ticks …

Same radical reduction in deaths is France.

If you go to the Euromo site you that that France had a record low in death rates with a z score of -3.36 for Week 22. However that record was smashed in Week 23 with a z score of -8.85.

What we are seeing in many places (NYC, UK, Belgium, Spain. Italy, France) is a bulk rate of death with that sharp spike and a severe drop off in death rates due to the “low hanging fruit” being plucked by Death. It is important to stress that those who comprise those premature deaths are primarily nursing home/care center deaths.

And even more important to understand and stress is that those large, concentrated numbers were decidedly not caused by any virus- rather it was criminal negligence and administrative euthanasia- those are crimes.

They are. We knew, we blqqdy *knew* that the elderly with co-morbidities were the most vulnerable in our society. And yet we locked down and quarantined the healthy and dumped the hospitalised elderly into care homes. We’re not alone in that, other countries did the same.

This people, is what happens when you let panic take over your show. It turns into a sh1tfest, because panic is the enemy of logic, of order, and of critical thinking.

after a flu outbreak the next few months are always below average

Making that mistake with shipping hospital patients to care homes, just like the UK did, is close to the only reason Sweden has had measurable covid deaths at all.

A crime requires a criminal…who was or were the criminals her? I think you’re being hysterical. The same thing happens every year in a bad flu epidemic – the grim reaper’s hand passes through care homes with great alacrity.

Yes, maybe there’s a lesson here about how we need to start redesigning care homes to ensure there is less cross infection but trying to stop people with dementia from infecting each other is difficult to say the least and depriving them of family contact is probably a leading cause of death in itself…is that criminal as well?

There is nothing hysterical in the least- it’s factual and documented.

Are you opposed to investigations on this matter?

There were direct orders that caused these premature deaths both from politicians and health officials. Start there- this isn’t too murky or difficult to uncover.

In the US we could start with these criminals: Andrew Cuomo J.D., Howard A. Zucker, M.D., J.D. , and Sally Dreslin M.S, R.N.

“It” is factual you say. What is the “it”? That a lot of people have died in care homes? As I said before that has happened at regular intervals during bad flu years. Were you calling for criminal prosecutions – or I should say are you calling (since the UK has no statutory limitation in cases of homicide) for such prosecutions – in relation to bad flu years over the last 50 years? If not, why not?

I wrote my first sceptical piece on March 17, the day I realised the government weren’t going to let me just ignore all their stupid rules and carry on as normal. https://faith-and-politics.com/2020/03/17/coronavirus-is-the-cure-worse-than-the-disease/

When people started jumping up and down demanding a lockdown and that schools should shut, I pointed out such measures were unnecessary. I was pretty much howled down. When the lockdown came and I said (on Guido among other places) that this would end in tears, I was howled down.

I’m far from alone now. Not just here, but on Guido’s site too. Where in March I received a couple of upticks and lots of downticks for a critical comment, now it is the other way round.

Yep. Back in March I actually thought there would be rational discussion. On my work discussion board I said surely there were better ways of addressing a possible shortfall in hospital capacity than taking everything from everyone. Which seemed obvious? Also, that COVID couldn’t possibly be as deadly as everyone was saying based on the tiny numbers of deaths in two isolated places (Wuhan and Lombardy). More fool me.

But it’s just that I want people to die.

Anyway, I remain astonished that we’re in this situation, and that people haven’t worked as hard as possible to make lockdowns etc. as SHORT as possible. And now that so very much known, that they’re not constantly revising measures to more accurately reflect the deadliness (not) of the dread disease.

I suspect a totally different tune will be playing when the ‘free money’ runs out)

Wow, this is great and great to see it from another Christian author too. I’m not an Anglican but I’ve really struggled with the response of the church as a whole in this country, including my independent fellowship, no one seems to be standing up against the lies and the enormous damage it is causing nationally and how their members have been so misled. I’m not as astute as you with respect to when and why I knew it was wrong, I just had a gut feeling all along that something was amiss and started questioning and looking into it about a week after it all started. I’d have gone mad without this website.

The churches have been totally supine. I thought they were supposed to obey God rather than men. The hypocrisy becomes more apparent by the day. Antisocial distancing and Christianity? I don’t think so!

Jesus healed lepers.He got close.

I am an Anglican, and there are no words to express my horror and disgust at the way the Church has behaved. Jesus Christ did not tell his followers to keep safe, turn their backs on the people, and hide in the scullery.

Well Christ led by example.

Unfortunately, fat Boris did so by shaking hands in hospitals and it backfired on him. That was very unfortunate for all of us.

Pity more wasn’t made of Wankock running up the steps in Westminster after a few days off with the killer virus!

Good article Will, the implications of which our great and good are only just beginning to catch up with. Congratulations on such an early call.

My first piece lockdown scepticism appeared as late as 26 March, as a comment on Ron Liddle’s Spectator article ‘How reliable are the coronavirus figures?’. I broke my own rule of never posting anything online and for the first time in more than a decade put up a thread comment:

‘Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.’
Charles Mackay, Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions, 1841.

It was clear to me that, whatever the seriousness of the disease itself, as a society we had already descended into a hysteria worthy of a section in Mackay’s famous book.

The following day I was stopped while driving at a police roadblock down here in Devon. I refused to tell them where I was going or why, and after a few minutes they had to let me go.

And so a lockdown sceptic was born …

https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2020/06/16/explosive-more-uk-covid-experts-facing-serious-data-manipulation-charges/

The Government’s leading body for Covid19 drug trials – led by the controversial character Professor Peter Horby – stands accused of grossly misleading negative trial results for the coronavirus management drug Hydroxychloroqhine. Will this at last be a wake-up call for Boris Johnson?

I hear him now, “Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz”.

He’s in a coma so it’ll take a while for him to wake up.

Are epidemiologists usually in charge of clinical trials?

I don’t believe the regular suggestions that most people favour lockdown. The latest ONS figures say 40% feel safe or very safe going out whilst only about 25%say they feel unsafe. If you feel safe or very safe going out I would imagine you don’t support the lockdown.

They favour a prolonged holiday, pretty much on full pay, enjoying themselves at home. Trouble is, reality always comes to call. Sooner or later, you have to wake up.

And there’s no such thing as a free lunch. Sooner or later we all have to pay one way or the other.

Unless you feel safe because of the antisocial-distancing measures, masks etc. I suspect the questions were rigged that way!

I’m very proud of being Welsh. I’m Welsh born, rather than born Welsh, I know some here understand this important distinction.

However, I am far from proud of the Assembly (now calling itself a government, lol). The non-entity running this corner of the UK is hellbent on destroying it. He’s terrified of lifting lockdown, not because of the mythical “R” number, but because of the economic devastation that will be revealed under his stewardship. And it is under his stewardship, as he said himself that the way forward in Wales concerning the lockdown was down to him. He’s taken ownership.

Even in Wales, I don’t fancy Labour’s chances in next year’s elections. Especially if opposition parties get their act together. Because it’s not first-past-the-post in Wales, it’s pretty much PR.

Poisonous representation!

IF it can kick out an authoritarian it doesn’t sound a bad voting method to me.

Latest from BBC fearmongering productions. On first page of website since this afternoon
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53047819
flushing toilet might spread covid virus in faeces so put the lid down.
Really the only thing full of sh!t is the BBC.

They’ll have us crapping outside next. Pathetic.

They DO have us crapping outside. Have you seen an open public toilet recently?

Closed public loos have already sorted that one.

DT reported last week that sewage farms would be searched for signs of the bug.
Nice employment opportunities for some of our young people, eh?

Perhaps everyone who denounced a neighbour for lockdown violations should, for their dedication to “the cause”, be given such sewage checking jobs (and be banned from doing any other job or claiming any unemployment benefit should they quit) so they can keep experiencing the load of sh*t they’ve been so happy to unleash on the world.

Maybe they should all be rounded up and made to live in “safe” reservations for the rest of their lives while the sane get on with our lives.

In Spain they took samples of sea water to test for the corona flu.

Some local lads who were dobbed in by nearby curtain-twitching residents for surfing off the West Wales coast were told that due to their selfish actions the sea would have to be tested for coronavirus!

Well, if it got a bit of a temperature I wouldn’t complain.

Flushing creates an aerosol. So this is basic antibacterial common sense, nothing new and nothing to do with the covid virus.

Having said that, people haven’t bothered about toilet lids for decades – they keep their toothbrushes near the loo too. No sweat!

yes , i know that… my point was that BBC were linking this to covid and asserting that the virus could be in faeces so just adding to and perpetuating the scare stories

I understood that, MJR.
My intention was to back up your point by showing that the BBC were fearmongering by pretending this is something new. Failed miserably, sorry.
Scraping the bottom of the barrel, aren’t they?

Lol… this is so laughable that it must be psy-op deliberate. They are practically begging readers to wake up and do their own research away from the the BBC and other MSM.

Seriously, you got to do it… most illuminating…

I work in Belfast City Centre and all shops were permitted to open from yesterday. The people were about one third the normal amount yesterday and today but the main shopping centre had more people yesterday but was virtually empty today. This suggests that people went in just because it was newly opened but that novelty has already worn off after 24 hours.

It’s not just social distancing that is going to kill off town centres, it is the amount of people working from home. Belfast has a lot of office workers and a very high percentage of civil servants, at least 50% of which are now having to work from home whether they want to or not. That’s a large drop in potential customers going into shops already. Combine that with the people who have been terrified to death by the propaganda and the enormous amount of people who will soon be unemployed and there isn’t a hope in hell of survival for many town and city centres.

I fear that even if they scrapped the 2 metre rule tomorrow many shops would still implement it voluntarily because they or their workers still live in fear. I also think that even if the government wanted to lift it, the minute they did so, the MSM would be full of big pharma shills saying there will be another wave and the government are going to be responsible for a lot more deaths. The government really need to jettison the scientists at this point, who have been consistently wrong throughout, and just do what is best for the country – end all lcokdown measures immediately.

New figures for “footfall” in UK shops have been published. Things are dire; it seems the much-anticipated death of the high street (not to mention shopping centres) is finally upon us. 50+% year on year decline for both. Retail parks have done slightly better, down 23.6%.

Shoppers have got the online habit and it might be permanent. Who can blame them?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8425717/High-Streets-England-saw-50-rise-shoppers-yesterday.html

Well, you can see how shoppers are treated now. Hardly surprising is it?

This doesn’t surprise me. Treat people as lepers this is what they get.

My local shopping centre in London was very quiet today. Waitrose and Waterstones both quieter than I expected.WH Smith not open (but they looked like they were on their last legs before the pandemic). Primark was popular.

William Hague says we “must test on a large scale”, but does he understand that the covid-19 antigen test doesn’t actually test specifically for cv-19, by for *ANY* rna based virus. The test simply amplifies any rna that’s present regardless of whether it’s cv-19 or a.n.other.

He’s not very bright so the answer is probably no.

Unless we stop acquiescing to the government, nothing will change.
We must all ignore the rules or we won’t get our freedom back. The government may reduce the antisocial distancing to 1m but they won’t give up full control, because this Covid farce has given them the opportunity they want to dictate to us.
Don’t run your life based on what other people think of you. Stand against the BS and the cards will come crashing down!

It’s still a little bit early for this. Keep resistance to a low level for now, especially while we are in our ones and twos. No matter how right, we’re still easy pickings. Organisation will come, is coming. The protest must be calm, but with large numbers. A campaign of civil disobedience towards all the corona regulations, but in numbers. Such as twelve refusing to wear masks on a train as an example. A mass walk on the hills of Snowdonia or the Brecon Beacons, where such activity is still banned. Things like that. Still too early, but the time is close.

Oh well, I’ve already started lol. Actually I started at the beginning.

if social distancing does go to 1m it will be so close to where people would normally stand near someone without invading their space the social distancing may fade away naturally – as long as all the shops are not afraid to introduce it.

It may..or may not

Good stuff Jonathan. You’re sounding just like Icke.

I’ve just seen a video of his, lol. I think he’s wrong on his Covid “hoax” theory and I don’t agree with new age stuff, but there was a lot of sense in the rest of it.

He does talk a lot of sense – if you can get past the lizards.

I think the way to look at it is like troubleshooting any problem where you don’t know what the answer is, eliminating what you know and feel is untrue despite what you are being fed by others, one by one…

I don’t agree with this guy’s new-agey stuff or his extreme Coronavirus “hoax” view, but I found this very interesting (best to start @ around 1 hr 23min):
https://freedomplatform.londonreal.tv/rose-icke-iv-we-will-not-be-silenced/

Someone recommended this on the Carl Vernon channel. Its an American website but it has most if not all known information about the dangers of mask wearing:

https://www.thehealthyamerican.org/masks-dont-work

She also has a YouTube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwC7VpIHS2uJzJ0q5I11oQA

Perhaps better not to demonise mask wearing too much, if it gives the coronanists some confidence enough to start opposing the more severe threats to freedom then it can be ok. If wearing a mask is enough to get them demanding shops accept cash and don’t try contactless fascism, get them demanding workplaces reopen as normal without extra bureaucracy, have them refusing to queue outside shops (especialy as the weather turns, which it surely will as lockdown is lifted), have them refusing spying apps… Then an uncomfortable and largely useless strip of cloth over the face isn’t so bad.

It is if the muzzled demonise those who don’t wear them.

They do. The grey mush in their heads oroduces the following: l1. I. I

Sorry, hit wrong button.

1. I do not have the bug.
2. Everybody else has the bug.
3. Therefore I must wear a mask to protect myself.
4. Therefore everybody else must wear a mask to protect me.
5. Therefore anybody who does not wear a mask is a criminal and must be punished.

Damp rag which is a breeding ground for germs. Restricts intake of oxygen, inhale your own exhaled co2, restricts communication verbal and nuanced visual cues. sign of conformity. Godsend for those that have ocd. All round crap idea in a western ‘democracy’- Just sayin…)

If you want to wear a mask because it makes you feel safer, you should be free to do so.

If I don’t want to wear a mask because I know it’s unnecessary, then I should also be free not to.

Scotland in it for the long haul lol

Every time she is interviewed on TV, she says all manner of things that one might politely characterise as ‘alternative facts’, yet she always get as free pass from the interviewer.

She’s a supersnake and I doubt you’ll have to look far to find who’s sponsoring her.

When she spouts alternative facts it is the duty of every Scot to obey alternative government, whether they wish to choose England, or better yet Sweden, is up to them.

Is the “under 20 cases” for the WHOLE of Scotland? How flat does the bloody sombrero have to be?

Today in Scotland (population 5.5 million), 15 new cases. So flatter than Flat Fred’s Flat Feet, it would seem. Maybe she’s talking about active cases, but regardless, the virus, in effect, is no longer present in Scotland.

I could well be wrong but I think it’s supposed to be 20 new confirmed cases per day (which is what we’re hovering around at present – there were 146 positive tests in the last 7 days yesterday up from 127 in the 7 days up to Saturday).

20 per day in a population of 5.5million is, I think, odds of 275,000:1

Coronavirus Contact-Tracing Apps Launch Across Europe – The Wall Street Journal.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-contact-tracing-apps-launch-across-europe-amid-hopes-for-broad-adoption-11592319612

Unfortunately behind a paywall..

Welsh tourism is in huge trouble. We spend 2-4 weeks in the Snowdonia/Lleyn area every year but the paranoia which has seeped down from the Welsh Assembly has made us think again. Even with Welsh friends and family, having English accents and an English number plate, becoming the target of hostility from officialdom or locals is not an appealing prospect. I’m sorry to tell the Welsh (and residents of other tourist destinations), the “go home” signs will not be quickly forgotten. Assuming we can get a holiday at all this year, it will likely be either here in beautiful Derbyshire, or perhaps Yorkshire or East Anglia. The danger for the Welsh tourism industry is we may not go back as much in future, or at all.

I’ve read reports about the same in Cornwall too – well I ain’t going there even if they paid me a million pounds. It’s funny that they don’t seem to realise that they’re committing economic hara kiri.

Sorry to say that I’ve been put off Derbyshire, Cumbria, Cornwall and Wales fo life, I think.

Actually, in our defence, Derbyshire has been OK since the first week of lock-up when the cops sent up their drone and made that dire ‘anti-social distancing’ video of people minding their own business on Curbar Edge. We think the public reaction along with Sumption’s bollocking.spooked them enough to back-off for the duration.

If they opened the pubs, cafes and toilets it would be almost normal here (!) Actually a drone flew over us up on top of Kinder on Sunday. The OH and I both vigorously gave it 2 fingers and then we realised it was being flown by 2 lads from Manchester on top of the Woolpack rocks, nearby. Oh, we laughed1

I’ll give you that, and that the message from the peaks has been less insistent than elsewhere. Wish I could think of a single reason why – in law or in principle – going for a lonely walk in the Peak District might ever have been a problem. But since you’ve pointed it out, I’ll forgive Derbyshire. But not Cumbria, Wales or Cornwall.

Thanks and you’re welcome anytime!

I know, it’s horrible, but it isn’t all of us. It’s because Stalin Drakeford’s ear (without any attachment to a brain) is being bent by anglophobes who have always resented English people having second homes in Wales, etc., etc., and who see this as the ideal opportunity to get rid of them. (Who sold them the second homes, for a fat profit? Don’t ask that question.) These extremists don’t give a toss for the wellbeing of anybody in Wales, so long as they can vent their hate.
You can’t possibly loathe them half as much as all decent Welsh people do. But our protests are ignored, our counter-postings are immediately deleted from Welsh sites, and the yammerers have it all their own way.

As someone from Wales I am concerned that the impression is given that Wales is somewhere hostile to outsiders as the Welsh economy is heavily dependent on visitors. I don’t work in tourism but I would hate to see our economy ruined.

Of no interest to Labour, Plaid or the Lib Dems. They just want to signal their virtue and hope to help trip up Boris.

Then please, please resist, pester your MP. and AS ( member of the Welsh Assembly), and help to show that not all the Welsh are anglophobic morons.

Apparently people in the Dales have been hostile to visitors- BUT the guy from Welcome To Yorkshire has been doing his best to plug Yorkshire tourism and encourage visitors to beauty spots from both within and without the county.

People need a pick a side. Do they want to have a tourism industry left in their area, ro do they want perpetual ‘safety’ and unemployment?

Did the boss of Visit Yorkshire leave post within the last couple of weeks?. Maybe he could see the sh1t at end of all this

I’m Welsh and angry, what the hell are they dong to Wale? I despair

DON’T. Act instead. See my reply to Ianric sbove.

What Will Business School Look Like in the Fall? – The Wall Street Journal

https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-will-business-school-look-like-in-the-fall-11591881710

What business school?

What Business? What School?
Sweden of course shows you can have both, and have civil liberties, and lose less lives per million to a pandemic than countries where zealots took charge.

I fear that Hague isn’t quite as much on our side as we’d like. While he does, admirably, oppose the lockdown he has made noises in that article supporting what Tony Blair has been recently saying. The same Tony blair who has made numerous disturbing comments about how we should be willing to give up hard won freedom and privacy in the name of delusional attempts at safety. I’m glad to see the anti-lockdown cause spreading wider, but we need to ensure we get a free world afterwards, not a world enslaved by surveillance which is supposedly preventing the next pandemic but really preventing any kind of change to the authoritarian thugs at the top (be they right or left wing at that time).

Exactly – this.

i was just going to post something similar. What he’s actually saying is “Lockdown is bad, but we need all the Orwellian bullshit to set us free!”

Boo. Hiss.

Any demos planned for this weekend in light of more than six gathered together incurring the death sentence|?

I’m still not seeing why you can’t have multiple gatherings of up to six in a very similar place.

Riot sticks, police horses, tear gas, kettling, …

Sorry, I tend towards cynicism at times.

No apologies, I hear where you’re coming from

It means two “normal” families, (ie him, her +2 kids) can’t get together, let alone have the grandparents along. It makes the 10 per funeral look generous!

Hopefully it will be a red rag to a bull for those able to mobilise against it.

Private schools set to ignore Government and open in September ‘come what may’
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/16/exclusiveprivate-schools-set-ignore-government-open-septembercome/

Well done for the defiance. Hope more organisations follow that proud example. Especially in Wales and Scotland might give those two lunatic leaders something to think about.

Think? It’s beyond their capacity. As my old headmaster used to say, ‘Why do you have a head? To keep your ears apart?’

Ignore the guidance, according to Boris it was never mandated just a ‘suggestion’ what a weasel.

So we are already (figures now nearly two weeks old) into negative excess deaths in London…I think this will now be the pattern of the summer, across the country, meaning the touted 50K excess deaths will likely reduce as much as 50%. This is of course a cause for rejoicing, but don’t expect our Red Meanie Media to rejoice. At some point the “collateral damage” deaths resulting from Lockdown will begin to show through.

Does ‘negative excess deaths’ mean that the sheeted dead are returning to squeak and gibber in London’s streets?
If so, such things are a portent of the fall of great men.
Or in this case, of petty men. I hope.

There is no benign purpose for that kind of technology. No need for debate, we need to ban it, and mobilise to ensure it is useless to anyone who would wish to deploy it. Enough false readings, enough officials at the regime’s top framed for disloyalty…

Exactly. I’m in one of those businesses myself.

No lockdown is a success story. Sweden is a success story, and everyone should be embarassed to admit that Belarus, almost a relic of the cold war, is handling it better than Britain or the usually sane countries of Western Europe have.

Yes, it’s sad we can’t really trust the Belarusian figures (same with China and Russia of course), since they kind of went out of their way to spread it round…If their figures are to be believed then it has been a stunning achievement.

But of course all the East European countries have very low DPMs I believe. Does that reflect the fact they have very low migrant populations? There seems a strong correlation but our media would never tell us that…it’s only of relevance internally (where it can be used to further the PC agenda).

Telegraph cartoon 17 June 2020
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In case you young sprigs don’t realise, this refers to a famous poster in the 1978 general election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Isn%27t_Working

Thanks for the reminder of my age :o((

lol

Oops! But in Scepticland there is no old or young, only sceptical.

I ran a Labour committee room during that election.
The odious Norman Fowler told the Tory conference that they would “put the peasants back in their place.”
I was only 18 but that did it for me.

True, but the PC Media always have to have a star female politician to genuflect to. So Ardern the Emoter it is for the moment. Once it was Aung San Suu Kyi…till she blotted her copybook. Hillary Clinton wanted the accolade…almost got it, but failure is not tolerated.

https://vancouversun.com/health/local-health/a-tale-of-two-b-c-events-why-a-dental-conference-became-a-covid-19-hotspot-but-a-rugby-tourney-did-not

Article looking at the rugby 7s held in early March in Vancouver and a dental conference the same weekend, one of which became a hotspot for Covid and which one didn’t

Good stuff again.
Question: why does a judge, or an anaesthetist, or a BBC journalist, get 100% pay while not working; while a hairdresser (who pays their salary) gets 80% up to a max of £2,500? Could it be as simple as, because they can?

I don’t think it’s a max of £2500. Where did you get that from? I think the rationale for the 80% is that (as an average) you’re not paying travel costs, buying sandwiches for lunch, or having to buy clothes for work, so you’re saving on your usual costs, especially if you are on lockdown in any case. I think people are reporting they have found they have been saving money during lockdown – about the only positive effect!

The one I couldn’t understand is why the BBC cancelled its news staff redundancies. Is it claiming it’s getting more output from staff during lockdown? I don’t believe it. It was purely political. They never wanted to make the redundancies and now they think they can defy common sense…and the “effing Tories” of course.

“Where did you get that idea from?” From the government I expect. Helpful (i.e. private sector) summary here:

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/04/employed-help-coronavirus-furlough/

“The state pays your employer 80% of your salary, up to £2,500/month. Once the cash arrives with your employer, it needs to put it through the normal payroll process to ensure it’s taxed.”

Well WhyNow didn’t clarify it as “per month” did they? Seems perfectly reasonable to me. You’ve got to have a cut off somewhere, That’s per person. For some households that could well mean £60,000 per annum. Yes, the cut off will cause problems for some people – they may have to dip into savings or borrow. But then that’s no different from actually becoming unemployed. I am much more concerned about that long term effect – people now losing their jobs permanently. .

The Government should be focussing now on stimulus measures, not funnelling more money to people who in all likelihood will just use it to bolster their savings accounts.

It was made clear it was £2500 max. If your rent is best part of £2000, it doesn’t leave much. If that’s your mortgage, it’s going to bite hard later.

It costs so much to put a roof over people’s heads nowadays, that many younger people don’t have any savings. You are obviously old and sitting pretty.

That max is from Sunak, it’s up to 2.5k.

Furlough maximum is £2500 monthly.

“You are not crazy and your views are not evil.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZLH077cE7Y

Tucker Carlson speaks the truth. Google not responsible for comments on its platform (thanks to a legal get-out their lobbyists have secured)…but Googles makes sites responsible for comments on their sites.

It’s great the way he is taking on Google.

Is it not hugely shameful that there isn’t a single MP in our Parliament who will even utter a mouse-speak of objection to Google’s lockdown on free speech.

Mice roar compared with MPs.

What Parliament?

I have posted the first part of this before, as a bit of a joke, but the news coming out of China today makes me thing I am not far from reality. I have added my theory about the recent news from China at the end.

Love, Bob


BEIJING, February 2020

President is having breakfast. His head of intelligence (HI) walks in excitedly.

Pres: What do you want?
HI: Boss, I have come up with a brilliant idea
Pres: Yes..and?
HI: You know about this virus outbreak in Wuhan….
Pres: Oh yes, we did a brilliant job controlling that, shut down a whole city, scared the shit out of my loyal followers, nobody complained or argued. In fact if I remember right we did not execute many detractors and we only had to imprison a few. One of my better moments don’t you think?
HI: Yes, yes Sir, of course but listen, the virus is spreading, not here of course, but around the world.
Pres: Thats a shame. I hope they can control it like we did.
HI: But, Boss we see an advantage here to help us expand our power worldwide.
Pres: Oh yes, I like that idea! Tell me, tell me more.
HI: Listen carefully, this is the plan. We eggagerate the danger of this virus and claim it kills, lets say, 10 or 15% of everyone who catches it and publicise that in the western world’s press. Then, you may remember that we invested a whole ton of money in Ethiopia, secured most of their minerals, only had to bribe a few of their politicians……
Pres: Yes, good move that. But what’s this got to do with the virus?
HI: Sorry Sir, but one of their politicians is now head of the World Health Organisation and he owes us a favour. We will ask him to to declare this virus a global pandemic. Not only that but we have invested a lot into Imperial College London and about half their students are Chinese so we will ask them a favour too. They can make up some wildly exaggerated predicted numbers of deaths and put them in a professional looking document and present it to their Government to scare them.
Pres: OK, OK but get on with it……the world domination bit.
HI: Bear with me Sir. You know the western press can publish anything they like, the scarier the better, and they cannot even execute or imprison their journalists.
Pres: Yes, I always thought that was strange, ha ha ha.
HI: Yes, funny that. So they will definitely publish the exaggerated figures from ICL along with their recommendations to lockdown their whole economies. The WHO pandemic announcement will be music to their ears. Think of the sales, think of the advertising revenue for them! They will terrify their people. But this is the best bit……The western leaders are terrified of being criticised by their press so they will follow what the press say. They will lockdown all their businesses, put their citizens under house arrest and impose drastic restrictions on their freedoms.
Pres. Just like us, ha ha. I bet they will go against their own silly human rights laws they bang on about too.
HI: And voila! We have destroyed their economies.
Pres: I get it, I get it now. We go in and buy up all their broken businesses for a song. We put their workers on 7 day working weeks for half their present pay……we clean up……at no cost to us ….and not a shot fired! Your plan is beyond brilliant. You must execute it immediately. I will recommend you for a State Honour and your pay will be doubled to 20 dollars a month.
HI: Thank you, thank you, you are the greatest Dear Leader. (lots of bowing and adoration).

BEIJING, June 2020

HI: Boss, the western press are getting the idea that the lockdowns we engineered are starting to fall apart.
Pres.: What can we do?
HI: We cannot give up with this, we really do need world domination, so I respectfully request that we start another crisis. We tell the western press that we have another very serious, devastating, outbreak of the virus and we lock down some of our people again.
Pres.: Why would we do that ?
HI: We are not quite finished with those westerners yet, world domination is close, so we have to hold firm. They have destroyed most of their industry, taken away their personal liberties, broken all their silly human rights laws, ……
Pres.: Yes just like us eh…ha..ha..
HI: We just need to convice them of a second wave of the infection, and then voila, (excuse my french) we have achieved our goal.
Pres: Great! Lets fuck em!

Oh nononono ifr rate is NOT %1. it is much much lower with all the age groups in the estimation it’s 0.3 ish. Even lower for healthy individuals under 40, ridicilously lower for individiuals under 18..

Then why the fffff china is closing schools in beijing again ????

Times columnist Jawad Iqbal criticising Cornwall’s less than friendly attitude towards tourists and visitors:

Cornwall will suffer if tourists follow advice and stay away
Jawad Iqbal
Wednesday June 17 2020, 12.01am, The Times


On the face of it, Cornwall county council’s advice that visitors should stay away reads like the shortest suicide note in the history of tourism. About four million people visit the region every year; the tourism industry is worth more than £1 billion to the local economy; and a third of the local workforce, about 70,000 people, depend for their livelihoods on the tourist trade each summer.
Warning people off visiting Cornwall puts these jobs in jeopardy and risks killing off Cornwall’s thriving tourist business in the longer term. Yet Tim Dwelly, the council’s cabinet member for the economy, insists it’s the right move. Instead he wants the county’s tourist industry to be bailed out by unspecified “grants and support” this year. It’s an argument that has provoked ridicule and outrage for suggesting that tourists are only welcome when it suits locals and that Cornwall should in effect be given public funding for turning holidaymakers away.
Dig a little deeper though and it’s hard not to feel some sympathy for the impossible dilemma facing tourism chiefs and councillors. Cornwall has one of the lowest number of coronavirus cases of any area in England — just 591 — and an infection rate of just 104 per 100,000 population. But the region has only one hospital with critical care facilities and there are legitimate fears that facilities could be overwhelmed quickly if outside visitors cause a spike in infections.
There are fears too that maintaining physical distancing rules would become virtually impossible once the tourists start to pour in. Not that it will be business as usual anyway. Tourist attractions, if open, will be operating timed ticket entry; takeaways will have to be collected at prearranged times and restaurants will be reservation only.
The tourism industry has been left in the lurch by a lack of clear national guidance. Tourism chiefs are right to accuse the government of “penalising” the sector by failing to confirm a definite date for holiday and hospitality facilities to reopen. Campsites and holiday park owners had hoped to be given the green light to open from July 4. There’s still no official word yet. That’s damaging because tourism businesses need time to prepare facilities and inform their staff.
Cornwall needs to stay open to visitors this summer: that’s the only way to save critical jobs at a time of rising unemployment. Ministers keep insisting they are keen to get tourism back up and running. The only way to do that is to provide clarity — and quickly — and not leave local politicians and officials operating in the dark.

And some readers’ comments:

We should not go to where we are not welcome. Cornwall can’t have it both ways. Perhaps if they are short of cash they should reopen the tin mines or search for lithium which should fill a big hole (literally) in their economy.

We go every year for 3 weeks, sometimes more, and spend a great deal of money eating out in the excellent restaurants. Based on the negative comments from the council we have binned our holiday this year and will spend the money in France instead. Life is full of risk and there should be no more bail outs. If businesses go under they should turn on their risk averse council…..

Why is Cornwall different from any other region?
I think tourists should comply for the next 10 years – leave the pitchfork inbred yokels to fend for themselves.

Under the public health camouflage the main driver is that most reliable English one, snobbery. Which is not to excuse the government’s dithering and indecision in this and much else.

Cornwall Council spent an obscene amount of money on a temporary mortuary at Newquay airport – a departure lounge of 900 ‘beds’ – and it’s of course stayed empty. The UK government is supposed to be footing the bill for that expenditure I think and although I live in Cornwall, I strenuously object to these constant calls for the government to support this and underwrite that.
The local population seems to be relishing the lockdown situation. Comments are still being made like “we don’t want them down here with their nasty germs”. Vigilantes have happily been dobbing second home owners arriving in our little town.

That’s precisely the attitude that Iqbal above is criticising. I have to say that if the Cornish economy collapses and the Treasury can’t bail them out then I’m sorry but they will get their just desserts.

It won’t collapse, but like everywhere else there are uncertain times coming.Obviously. My little town is booked out from mid-July onwards and I would expect other tourist destinations will be the same….

My only hope is that this madness would end and we can return to normal. Unfortunately the damage is already done I think.

This attitude has reared its ugly head in Wales and Cumbria also. Possibly other places, but I haven’t heard anything. If the attitude has transferred to locals, then in a tourist-dependent area, they will have shot themselves with both barrels in both feet. And folk elsewhere should remember, and “vigilantes” push them back home when they try to move around the country for work.

Agree. Attitudes like that will kill domestic tourism stone dead as people would rather go abroad where they will be welcome and the weather more reliable.

All true, but please remember that not all the people in these areas are such selfish pigs. As far as most of us are concerned, tourists are our life blood and we need you. What’s more, I work – used to work – part time at a tourist attraction and meeting the visitors was interesting and fun. I do. IT. want to treat people like lepers. Not. Not.

Maybe they should have used some of the £1 billion earned from tourism and built a couple of new hospitals. Just to be on the safe side.

The BMJ on the problems with face masks

https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1435/rr-40

Saw that article. Thanks.

Down below, I posted a link to a website that has more links to the dangers of mask wearing, its called “The Healthy American”

further down – sorry!

Further up – AAARRRGGGHH!!

Re the HAIG article: It’s fine, but…
Why does nobody ever mention my home town of Hong Kong , when they talk about places having done well?
We’re pretty much the gold-standard . We’re a city of over 7 million, extremely densely packed and right next to China, the source of the infection. Yet we’ve managed to control infection rates and keep deaths to just four . (That’s a total , not daily).
We’ve done WAY better than the ones Haig mentions, Denmark, France and Germany. [let alone Italy and Spain].
We never went into Lockdown Max, instead doing what I call a “ Lockdown Lite ”. We closed only gyms and pubs (ok, and schools), all now reopened. Social distancing is encouraged, but not mandated, masking is widespread (because it’s in our culture since SARS), but not mandated. Disinfectants are everywhere. And people are way more tolerant with each other than I’ve seen elsewhere (Britain and the US mainly). We have no “Karens”…
Things are now pretty much back to normal, but we practice extreme vigilance, with an obsession about testing and tracking.
There are plenty of lessons for others to learn from us.
But I guess we’re “China adjacent”, and these days China = bad, so no-one talks about us. [Self-pity emoji]

PS: Comparative info re Lockdown stringency vs infection/death rates .

I’ve added that link to my favourites. I use such information all the time in arguments and linking to the source is invaluable. Thank you for the research.

PS I mention HK as an example for *not* locking down.

Patting myself heartily on the back, I have pretty much mentioned Hong Kong and your splendid Professor, coronavirus expert John Nicholls, non stop, no doubt causing extreme boredom in others.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/coronavirus-expert-says-the-virus-will-burn-itself-out-in-about-6-months/679415

https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/higher-temperatures-affect-survival-of-new-coronavirus-pathologist-says/700800

Given that he had no idea that the virus had crossed over to humans possibly as early as mid September 2019 (that Cambridge University (Prof Peter Forster) had not yet taken place) his 06 Feb assessment has stood the test of time well.

Are flights to Hong Kong from the rest of China banned, may I ask? How much of the success is due to quarantine, would you say?

We are looking forward to welcoming Hong Kong citizens to this country. We need them very badly indeed, particularly any gifted leaders.

We seem to be a bit short of those.

So we shut down everything for the common cold (see first link above.) Now tell me there isn’t a hidden agenda.

Is it possible for you to find out how the deaths are counted. One of the reasons the Uk is high up the media driven death pool winner lost is because the doctors here were told to could everyone with a cough and having CV19

Only yesterday, a young mother grew tearful as she told me that her placid three-and-a-half-year-old son has become incredibly aggressive. “He says he wants to go to nursery. He shouts, he hits his face.” Her husband, a scientist, is trying to work from home, but he can’t cope. There are millions of families like theirs.
Alison Pearson – today in the Telegraph.
I now just feel contempt for our leaders.

I was speaking to someone yesterday whose 99 year old mother was admitted to hospital after a fall. She was told she couldn’t accompany her (very confused and disorientated) mother to hospital.

Yesterday, trying to get information on her mother’s condition it took her several hours to get to speak to someone. She said to me that she hoped the staff “were taking care of her properly …”. She is out of her mind with worry because her mother didn’t understand why she had to go to hospital on her own.

Really, is this what we have come to? A devoted and caring daughter can’t be with her elderly and frail mother. This is sad beyond words …

This government and NHS are a disgrace. I think they are trying to drive us all to drink or madness or both!

I know. This lady’s mum is blind, she had just shattered her collar bone and she is confused and these bastards wouldn’t allow her devoted daughter to go to hospital with her to provide comfort and reassurance.

How those implementing this cruel policy look themselves in the mirror each morning, I do not know.

Too angry to write anything coherent in reply.

Which hospital, kh ?

Addenbrookes in Cambridge …

Who, I heard yesterday, tested 10% of their staff – 1,000 -over a wide cross-section of staff and only 2 tested positive and they were asymptomatic!

It was always a horrible dump. My elderly father was treated vilely there. Lots of ‘world-beating’ research, zero patient care.

Really sorry to hear that. My mum was in Broomfield – that too is a horrible place …

In Australia they won’t allow anyone to go to hospital and visit loved ones unless they have a flu innoculation (that has been shown to make Covid worse). These are elderly people alone fending for themselves. Madness.

And this is the vile devil that the sheeples worship.

I know. And are also quite willing for the economy to be ruined for …

It’s weeks since I felt anything else, except in the case of First Sinister Drakeford, for whom I feel a boiling, blazing, murderous hatred.

I think its safe to say that visitor attractions are also committing suicide. Who will want to do a day out with rules like these?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53070380

Why bother going? It won’t be pleasant or fun

I work in the museums and heritage sector and believe me measures like this will ensure that people will boycott us just as they are boycotting the shops.

It is so sad. Part of me feels I SHOULD go just to keep museums and art galleries open, but in all honesty I genuinely feel I’ve had all I can take now after months of this and just want to sit in a corner and cry. Though perhaps if the majority of us do boycott shops, museums, attractions etc. the government will be forced to think again about these measures. Or rather, they will simply announce that the measures were only “guidelines” and the attractions didn’t actually have to follow them

I love going to museums and art galleries and would love nothing more than to go now if only to escape the monotony of being at home and my dreadful neighbourhood. However I have my principles and would boycott them as like with shops, I do not want to be treated like a Biblical leper but a proper human being.

Though perhaps if the majority of us do boycott shops, museums, attractions etc. the government will be forced to think again about these measures.

That’s what I’m hoping. If the Great British Public boycott shops, museums, heritage sites, visitor attractions, etc then the heads of these businesses and institutions would find the cojones to pressure the government to end this insanity now.

Unfortunately – and I speak as someone who works in the arts – if you go you are playing right into the hands of the government’s agenda. They want you compliant and accepting of the new ‘rules’. Resist.

Exactly. I work in heritage and as much as I love going to museums and heritage sites I’m not going. It would be problematic once my workplace opens but have decided not to go elsewhere.

I certainly won’t be going, fuck ’em.

If they want to swallow a couple of packets of paracetamol, I’ll pour the vodka to wash them down.

I so agree: it feels like I am being driven to violence. Much more of this insanity and I might get there!

However we need to get the message out that we boycott places due to the nonsense rules and not because we are afraid.

I agree. I think it was CarrieAH’s suggestion the other day that if retailers insist on us using anti-bac gel and implement other infringements, we just say “no thanks, that’s a pity, I will just go elsewhere”. Let’s see how long they treat customers like pariahs then.

I hate shopping at the best of times but I would far rather line Jeff Bezos’s pockets than be treated in the way I have been over the past weeks.

That’s what I’ve said in my letter to Waterstones and my reply to the British Library survey. I think we’re not alone, I’ve come across comments below news articles where people have said that they’re boycotting the high street because of the nonsensical rules.

It’s been extended to end August in Gulag Wales. My old man is getting a supply of bricks ready to throw at any Labour canvassers next year!

So some people have been locked in their houses since March and will stay licked in them till August.
I was formerly under the impression that a six-month or more sentence was for a fairly serious crime.

Thinking of posting this on my FB page – what do you think, anything to add/take away?:

I’ve been thinking about the word ‘apathy’ in light of the events that have occurred in this country since March.

Apathy means behaviour that shows no interest or energy and shows that someone is unwilling to take action , especially over something important .

Consider the following important things:

We’ve endured a total lockdown based on results from astronomically wrong Imperial College modelling and following the example of a Chinese communist dictatorship and without proper parliamentary scrutiny and seemingly without following the science – we’ve remained largely apathetic

Ministers and scientists have repeatedly lied to us or misrepresented data and facts – we’ve remained largely apathetic

Despite evidence that the elderly and vulnerable needed the most protection they were neglected and people were even discharged to care homes – we’ve remained largely apathetic

People have been forced to inhumanely die alone without their loved ones and then have draconian restrictions placed on funerals – we’ve remained largely apathetic

Weddings, etc. have been cancelled, shattering hopes and dreams – we’ve remained largely apathetic

Places of worship have been forced to close, with it being illegal to gather together – we’ve remained largely apathetic

Thousands of lives have been unnecessarily lost and endangered (many more than have died with Covid19) due to missed diagnoses, suicide and fear of going to hospital – we’ve remained largely apathetic

A state of fear and panic has been cultivated by the government and the media through misleading news stories and headlines and propaganda and fear mongering resulting in untold anxiety and psychological damage – we’ve remained largely apathetic

Education has been undermined and exams have been unnecessarily cancelled – we’ve remained largely apathetic

Teachers, health workers and emergency services have been unnecessarily burdened with extra work and worries – we’ve remained largely apathetic

Face masks have become compulsory on public transport despite the health risks that they pose – we’ve remained largely apathetic

Supermarket workers have largely evaded the virus, further evidence that it’s not as bad as we’ve been told – we’ve remained largely apathetic

We’ve been controlled and conditioned to believe that we’re in the midst of a great threat – we’ve remained largely apathetic

Our civil liberties have been curtailed – we’ve remained largely apathetic


The list goes on and on!

In short, we have been subjected to repeated, gross injustice, negligence and incompetence that affects every single person in the UK – every single person – yet we’ve remained largely apathetic!

Wake up from your apathy and slumber Britain!

Seriously I think Boris is mad!

He is certainly appearing that way now. I wonder if his brush with Covid actually did affect his brain.

I think he blagged his way to PM, then it was revealed to him what a puppet he is in whats actually going on here. If he truly is a libertarian, he may well be broken.

He is certainly making me mad. An appalling scoundrel for whom a very special place is being prepared in Hell!

He’s certainly a scoundrel.

Hear, hear!!

During this lockdown many older people in care homes died from dehydration – family no longer there to help and not enough carers to make sure they drink fluids.

Go for it, Kevin. Sums up the bonkersness perfectly!

We are being played, and no-one gives a damn.

I know. Other than my little ‘bubble’ (sorry, couldn’t resist that) of lovely regular customers, no-one seems to be showing any wish to rise up against this crap …

We do – and a handful of others but the numbers are growing.

OK. But perhaps add specific things we could be doing. I guarantee people will do them.

Very good.

It’s the apathy that I think is going to lose me friends here. Many, many of my friends completely see through all of this, but just don’t seem to care. I can’t understand. How can you know that the whole thing is a hugely destructive mistake and not care? If they were actively supportive of the lockdown and thought it was a good idea, I think I could forgive them, but just to not care…?

New Zealand puts Covid-19 quarantine in hands of military after border fiasco
Prime minister says release of two overseas arrivals without being tested ‘should never have happened and it cannot be repeated’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/17/new-zealand-brings-in-military-after-covid-19-quarantine-fiasco

2 cases! This is what we would could look forward to after “eradicating” the virus. Perpetual fear and paranoia lest the deadliest virus known to man comes back.

Meanwhile people are dying in far greater numbers from other causes. I’ve said it before but it needs to be repeated. People who think “one death is one too many” are a danger to the human race.

New Zealand is another country that has a totally bonkers PM.

It seems that the politicians’ virus is spreading and there is no cure.

It’ll be Martial Law next. ‘Woke’ liberals like Jacinda Ardern seem all to happy to imprison their own people while condemning authoritarian regimes elsewhere!

I have a friend in NZ, formerly a courageous woman who re-made her life after going totally blind in her twenties.
She us now a twitching wreck who dare not stir from her house even though the bug has supposedly been ‘eradicated’.
That’s what fear porn does to you.

Copied from Simon Dolan Criwd Find site

Our second victory
Late on Friday afternoon, 3 minutes before their deadline expired, the Govt filed with us their defence against our claim. All 58 pages of it.

We will publish the whole thing on the site shortly, but the main story is that we have finally exposed that the whole schools shutdown was a lie. The Govt have admitted that they had no legal basis to close schools, and that they simply ‘recommended it’.

This was something we suspected all along. The Govt says is is nonsensical for us to say that schools were closed because they remained open for key workers and there had only been a ‘request’ that schools should shut their doors to other pupils, yet the PM announced on March 18th that “schools will remain closed until further notice”

This is really quite an extraordinary lie, and one which never would have come out if we hadn’t started this Judicial Review.

The Government lies? Who knew?

An edit button would be good Toby!

And so say all of us, with typos.

Let’s declare this pandemic over and get on with our normal lives – Karol Sikora
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/17/declare-pandemic-get-normal-lives/

We must prepare for the worst, but we can hope for the best. A second wave is not impossible. But so far, our gloomy epidemiologists have been wrong on virtually everything.

We can’t sacrifice decent healthcare, our children’s education and continue to blow the economy based on their apocalyptic predictions. Our frightened politicians dance like puppets under the spell of a large committee of discordant advisors. We need far stronger leadership to get us back to the old normal. There is simply too much at stake.

Every past pandemic, from ancient Greece through to the Black Death in medieval Europe only ended when society said it was so and started returning to normal. This time, too, we have to move forward carefully, but confidently.

I know he’s not perfect – are any of us – and he has his detractors, but honestly Professor Sikora does often come across as a sensible, down to earth guy. The only problem is that he is using common sense, which our politicians completely lack as they are just hung up on votes and being popular.

Little chance of this though; FatBoJo is MUCH too busy giving away tax-payer’s money every time a Leftie virtue-signaller says somebody doesn’t have enough of something or other.

There are days when I wonder if there is any solution to the so-called ‘Conservatives’ other than extreme violence!

Smart guy. It has been clear to me from day one that he is a full on sceptic but has had to gently coax people around. He’ll get there

This is an interesting Twitter from Brazil:

https://twitter.com/AOECOIN/status/1272712575537438720

Reminds me of the empty hospital in New York some weeks ago . . .

The problem with this thread is that the instigator puts it down to a communist plot but in the UK it is the Tories who are implementing it. Now, I know a lot of them are thick, Littlecock, Pratell (sic) but they’re not that thick. So who actually is pulling the stings here? I have been saying for weeks that this is an opportunist power grab on the back of a virus, but if it is even worse and a huge hoax then who is ultimately behind it? .

That’s what I want to know as well – who is behind it? Too many countries with too many politicians who may be highly educated but are complete idiots following the same script to be them all taking individual action so someone must be giving them orders.

Same when they all read the same script for anti-smoking, new green deal, global warming, anti-drinking alcohol, anti-diesel, anti-petrol, pro-vaccine, air pollution is killing us all and so on.

It’s always the (add in your favourite theory here – aliens, communists, capitalists, Conservatives, labour, Greens, socialists, Russians, Trump, Gates, Khazarians and so on – whatever is the one for your country/region).

To me it’s either blatantly obvious and in the open (Bill Gates and George Soros) or something really machieavallian, hidden, twisted and convoluted and I cannot decide what.

People whom are running this show don’t know how to make money hence they think we can all sit around on our arse’s doing fuck all for ever. They don’t know how to make money, they don’t know science, most of them are illiterate, in fact i can’t think why any of them are in power. What good do they do? We are a nation of people under the control of useless tossers. Ignore their laws and fuck the lot of them

I’m with Biker!

You are too much of a softie, Biker!

is that right?

Just a joke! ;-}

I am fully on-board with you.

Imagine you in parliament giving those idiots both barrels then chasing them out into the mobs gleeful embrace so we can film their Tiktok Tyburn jig

George Orwell wrote that Britain was like a family with the wrong members in charge. Nothing changes, unless to get worse.

Song suggestion, not sure if it’s been suggested before:

Suspicious Minds by Elvis Presley

We’re caught in a trap
I can’t walk out
Because I love you too much baby

We can’t go on together
With suspicious minds (suspicious minds)
And we can’t build our dreams
On suspicious minds

Listen to ‘More or Less’ on Radio 4 right now…….

i’d love to but i couldn’t stand to hear the smug voices of the people who read the noises out on that channel

while i agree that the BBC news output is (along with the rest of the MSM ) is complete sh1te “More or Less” is actually a damn good programme and generally doesnt follow the BBC party line, and has provided some good analysis

We are stuck in a self-made trap and things like this will be what keeps us in it:

Tory councils warn coronavirus second wave could bankrupt local authorities
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jun/17/conservative-councils-warn-covid-19-second-wave-could-lead-to-bankruptcies

There may or may not be a second wave.

If there is we’re trapped until a vaccine is found or the virus is eradicated.

If there isn’t we’re still trapped because of the fear of a potential second wave.

Just had this morbidly obese fat fuck tell me in the CO-OP that i walked by him too close on my way to the till. He was wearing a face mask so i felt it was my public duty to help keep people safe that maybe he didn’t know but Obesity causes cancer, heart attacks, stokes etc and will kill you so this idea that your fat ass wearing a mask will keep you safe is bullshit. I suggest you deep fry your mask put it on a roll with some tomato sauce and eat it for all the good it is doing you. The very fat lady on the till didn’t look best placed when she scowled at me disapprovingly. So i joked with her the bizarre nature of obviously very fat, unhealthy and unfit people suddenly being concerned about their health. I went on to say to her that it must be a real worry for people like him and you to know that the virus is killing very fat people more easily than normal sized people. She didn’t like that either.

Yes – I increasingly feel that I am being driven to tell the useless, paranoid, ill-informed sheeple just what they are. Yesterday, also in a co-op, I unleashed a few words at one of them and felt close to physical violence for the first time in a very long time.

What is it? With the co-op i mean.

Their staff seem to be the most brainwashed. Inluding the ‘managers’. Same experience in *multiple* co-ops.

Fucking karens!

Well done

Ooh you are naughty! I can imagine your day could end up like that great film Falling Down!

Last week I asked a middle-aged man walking towards me on a county lane why he was wearing a mask outside. He said ‘Why not?’ I told him because they are useless and he was fear-mongering. He said, ‘Oh ok, ok.’ Then I walked on and a woman saw me walking towards her many yards away and starting walking backwards with her pushchair. I said, it’s ok, I haven’t got this stupid virus and she said that she was in infection control and that she had been polite to me (she had a face on her like a smacked backside). I said that if she was in ‘infection control’ (?) then she should know how this virus was spread. A few yards further still I saw my neighbour and I burst into tears. He said he would hug me if it weren’t for, well, you know the virus….I cry quite a bit because my daughter lives in Paris with her new born son and I have no idea when I will see them. I just feel that idiots behaving like this with their idiotic masks and their idiotic side-stepping is making it even more difficult for things to get back to normal.

Today on my dog walk I noticed that the council have put up a notice, not very big and quite above eye-level, warning the reader to keep 2m apart from others. Now they do this, after all these awful weeks! Why? It’s a labour council, burning through the tax payers’ money, not realising that there won’t be so much to burn soon. I loathe them, in fact at the moment I loathe everyone except for all of you posting on this site.

Also today two short chunky police women coming out of the village butchers (a shop that makes everyone queue outside with little bollards keeping the sheep apart whilst a young woman wearing a welder’s mask (that’s what they look like to me) directs them in. I will never shop there again). Anyways, these police women were not, of course, keeping 2m apart, and waddled off to their police car with their big bag of pies. I wanted to stick two fingers up at them. Hatred and loathing are taking over my heart. Sorry for this long rant.

I’d hug you Marion, I’d hug anyone in emotional distress.

This inhumane regime is really pissing me off

Thank you

Me too! Shame on your neighbour …

No need to say sorry Marion. I’m becoming a bit of a misanthrope myself. Hadn’t realised before how many truly ignorant, obnoxious people there are in the world.

Have you been in the comments section of the Torygraph? Ugh!!!

Most of those notices are only stapled on, and can be ripped off very easily. They are laminated, but you can use the staple holes to get a purchase, and rip the notice apart. Alternatively, carry nail scissors to cut them up. Dispose of the remains in a dogshit bin.Try it. It’s therapeutic.

Don’t lose heart.Up with us!!!

Not Stapled as it is a metal lamp post, but tied on with thick plastic ties, too high for me to reach, although I did have a look to see if it could be easily removed. I think they thought of that. I have in the past taken down planning applications that have been left on lamp post for months and months, becoming yellow and unreadable. No one takes ownership of the eyesores, they are all over our village. Can’t see many going up in the future when no one can afford new windows or whatever. But thank you everyone for your kind words. I am becoming resigned to not seeing my daughter and grandson for some time and haven’t cried for a little while. Did however tell a man in the long, slow queue for Boots (I had to pick up a neighbours prescription again) that this was all a hoax. He looked at me as though I am mad. Well, I am, mad as hell.

The councils have been given grants. I suspect the time is coming to an end and they are forced to use them.

Biker, you are a breath of air.
Don’t know how ‘fresh’ you want to be…?

Yesterday I told a lad in a mask that he looked like a sick pig (which he did).
He looked nonplussed.Obviously not a accustomed to such language from old bats like me. But there’s going to be a lot more of it where I come from.

The petition ( https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/315979 ) currently stands at 7419….

Signed

Signed ages ago. Why oh why aren’t more people signing it? Why are the masses just rolling over and accepting destruction of their lives? Makes me desperately sad and depressed.

From the newspaper La Razon, The European Parliament’s Petitions Committee decided yesterday to investigate whether restrictions imposed by the Spanish government during the state of alarm violated the rights of the Spanish people. Expert in international law, Professor Fernando Lozano Contreras, argues that the state of alarm does not permit the infringement of the right to work, freedom of businesses to function and the rights of citizens to gather and protest. The legal basis for denying these rights is covered by a state of exception rather than the state of alarm imposed by the government. When asked about the implications of this at an international level he said that organisations charged with the protection of human rights must be careful to avoid measures taken to deal with a health problem like corona virus becoming “an excuse to unjustifiably and disproportionately violate or limit rights and freedoms”. He goes on to say that when legal means are exhausted at a national level cases can be put before international organisations, such as the European Court of Human Rights or the United Nations.

In Portugal we had a similar situation – we first had a State of Emergency, which must be declared by the President and approved by the Parliament, which in theory allows the restrictions such as curtailing freedom of movement and right of assembly. But then it was “downgraded” to a state of calamity, which in the opinion of most constitutionalists allows no such generalized restrictions and can be used only in limited regions (for instance, if there was a fire or a flood). However, most restrictions continue and no one seems to care.

Also, if you want to travel to the autonomous regions of the Azores and Madeira, you are now forced to quarantine for 14 days and / or take a COVID test, which has effectively established an internal border in Portugal, and is most likely unconstitutional.

We’ve managed to create a state of calamity over here in the UK – more of an upgrade for us, we were doing fine before 23rd march

Fine up until the 23rd apart from the complete tools clearing the supermarket shelves.

William Pitt the Younger, from a speech he gave
in the House of Commons on the 18th November of 1783:

‘Necessity is the plea for every breach of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.’

Human rights?
Only illegal immigrants have those.

Excellent and penetrating summary of the scandal so far and the crumbling/reshaping of the narrative:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/17/audio-the-collapse-of-the-covid-1984-narrative/

Whatever happened to “flattening the curve”? Anyone remember that?

turned out flattening the curve was too easy – its all about the ”Rrrrrrr” number now

Written by a 12 year old. A brilliant, and incredibly insightful short story:

https://shortfictionbreak.com/the-isolated-kingdom/

That’s an amazing story, good to see a child that can see through the lies.

That’s brilliant and goes to show that there is hope with our young.

Realised why the young (under 30 to me as I’m getting old) are generally so unquestioning and dopey.

A generalisation I know as there are some youngsters who do question etc and are wise to it all so to these people continue questioning and making a nuisance of yourselves. Don’t become a social media sheep but stay a goat (If you have ever raised goats you’d know what I mean – sheep are ordered around and lead, goats are individuals and have to be convinced to do what you want).

I looked at the exams they are taking after 12 years of education, what an eye-opener. They are, to put it bluntly, pathetic and full of propaganda and indoctrination.

This is a link to the AQA website where you can find the exam papers from previous years.

https://www.aqa.org.uk/find-past-papers-and-mark-schemes

I knew modern education was and but didn’t realise how bad it had become.

Agree. It is our duty to guide our own children to question facts and make an informed decision. Start them young.

I was told quite a number of years ago that those studying English Literature don’t even have to read the whole text. Not sure how you understand a work of literature if you are not expected to read it in its entirety.

You read a potted summary, and download your essays from a cribbing website.

Until recently you could also take the books with you into the exam, whereas ‘in my day’, we had to learn by heart any quotes that we might want to use in our exam essays!

“If your plan is for one year plant rice. If your plan is for ten years plant trees. If your plan is for one hundred years educate children.”— Confucius

the left seem to have a longterm plan…

i recall a few years ago my daughter was taking gcse’s and had past papers.. I looked at quite a few and i reckon i would have got good grades in all of them .. and this is just from basic knowledge. Then i think back to my o levels and how difficult they were by comparison..

Exactly! I was once covering for another teacher and for fun decided to attempt a GCSE Spanish reading comprehension paper. Ok I am a linguist, but I was able to pass it even though I have never studied Spanish!
I’ve also tried other subjects and can easily pass them just through common sense, general knowledge and some life experience! What’s that they say now, ‘Common sense isn’t very common any more’!!!!

Here is why. This is a question and the answer from my child’s April Fools Day homework:

It was trusted in those days.
Long sgo.

I always thought that there was a horrible BBC smugness about that film, as though they believed that ordinary people in the U.K. didn’t eat foreign food and so they could easily be made monkeys of using the excuse of a harmless April Fool Joke (such ‘jokes’ are often a bit nasty, in my opinion).

Very much like a public school joke, to mock someones class.

Yes, also a while back I chatted to an 17 year old (who was doing Maths A level) and happened to remark on some aspects of Maths that I did not enjoy when at school myself. He looked quizzically at me and said ‘But I thought you said you stopped doing Maths at 16?’ ‘Yes, that’s right’, I replied, whereupon he said ‘That can’t be right though; those topics are part of A level maths’!!! Just a little example of what has happened in education over time..

I’m once again fascinated and perplexed.With the Marcus Rashford/food voucher issue Boris and his assorted clowns have once more caved in to a populist narrative. Wouldn’t it have been more sensible to ease the ridiculous social distancing in schools, get all the pupils back and scrap the summer holidays (whilst honouring pre-booked vacations for parents and teachers). No doubt we would have had protracted howls of protest fron the blob but this would have put the govt on the front foot for once and been an opportunity to get things moving. Doing the right thing isn’t always popular but caving in to every single social media trend is no way to govern.

Agree, even Hancock jumped on this bandwagon and included it in his latest televised speech. Vomit!!

The schools should be back by now. Every single child, every single day. Two weeks later – no spike – right, EVERYONE back to work

Great joy watching Royal Ascot on TV yesterday as a race finished and the camera switched to a shot of the two lasses (grooms) who looked after the winner, they grabbed each other in bear hugs, face masks pushed onto their necks, unadulterated joy. It will have given the lockdown zealots heart attacks to watch.

Other than that Ascot is a very sad imitation of what it should be No crowds cheering and having fun, everyone decked out in face muzzles – though many people had them pushed under their noses and many jockeys push them down completely when actually racing. The masks are clearly just there to tick a box to allow racing to restart – what happened to common sense and assessing the real risk. Jockeys are pretty much all under 40, all very skinny and all very fit – probably the lowest risk group you can get.

I’m just surprised that racing has not yet been banned – after all, EVERY event has a winner and losers!

Racing had to restart as Ikea had re-opened at the same time, so where else would the get the meat for their meatballs from?

If football can go ahead without spectators, then why was Wimbledon cancelled? Is the TV revenue not high enough? Or are the players psychologically dependent on being constantly clapped and cheered? Genuinely interested in the thinking behind this..

Wimbledon was cancelled because cancelling became a virtue signal.

Incidentally, the Wimbledon 2020 memorabilia that had already been manufacture is making a tidy sum of money. And the All England Lawn Tennis and Croquet club was insured to the eyeballs, so they’re just fine.

So the Premier League restarts today no fans,no handshakes,no ballboys and worst of all no names on the back of shirts replaced by the name of an organisation that advocates for defunding the Police and judicial system, emptying prisons and radical redistribution of wealth, if you ever needed proof of how thick wealthy football players are there it is I expect they will be chuffed to bits to share their fortunes out and carry on playing for the same income as everyone else if said organisation ever got power, as someone who held a season ticket for 25 years up until 2 years ago I’m done with it they can shove their virtual signalling where the sun don’t don’t shine

There will be a 1 minute silence for all the “victims” of COVID-19 too.

How are they going to keep 2m apart when tackling? One rule for one etc…..

They can tackles each other and grab hold of each other whilst the ball is in play, yet stupidly they have to observe the 2m social distancing rules when they celebrate a goal!!!

Fucking ludicrous!

Won’t be a problem for your guys …

Saw a sign the other day that said something like It’s not football that has returned but

Sorry, Pressed post before I’d finished. It’s not football that has returned but profiteering. They don’t care about the fans as long as they continue to rake it in from TV revenue and marketing.

Sky & BBC news propaganda is depressing obvious to me now I’v started to flick over to RT to be indoctrinated by Russia’s propaganda.

Is the western media propaganda so far from reality that RT are using facts (in their western coverage) for their propaganda?

Crazy idea for crazy times…..

We need an agenda/activism free news channel – there currently isn’t one!

LOL – RT currently discussing…British public trust in news falling in last 5 years

I’v been heard!!

“Forced” to shield? I might be wrong but I thought it was advisory, not compulsory, at least according to a shielder I know (who was, naturally, ignoring the advice). Not that the government would want anyone to know that. Another piece of advice that has been presented as compulsory but turns out not to be the law?

Yes indeed, guidance not law but presented by government and media as if it were law. I wrote to the BBC about this, just got a reply (usual boilerplate crap, not engaging with arguments I made) which was basically saying “no we didn’t” without giving reasons.

Just like the 2 metres thing – guidance not law.

Good point. I was also under the impression it was ‘advice only’.

I was thinking the same.

I have just witnessed something so disheartening. Two elderly ladies (one having to walk with two sticks) trying to get out into our takeaway seating area and being treated like pox-ridden amoebas by two young women (this went far beyond just giving someone a bit of room to get by). You can guess which party is slathering themselves with anti-bac gel …

Oh dear! and yes, we’ve noticed, as oldies, how many young people treat us as if we’ve got the plague. I can only assume it’s social media telling them that all old people have ‘got it’ and if they come near us, they’ll die. Profoundly depressing. Meanwhile, thanks for your sane posts and for sticking to your guns with your business!

Thanks, doing my best …:)

And … you can guess which party was talking about wanting to get back to their Tai Chi classes, which made me smile as one of them could barely walk. But I thought “good on you …”!

Actually, I don’t think it is that way round. My feeling is that young people are terrified of giving the plague to oldies! They think they are doing their ‘civic duty’ and ‘protecting the vulnerable’, even though not all oldies want to be protected.
Might I suggest that you ask them why they swerved – were they frightened of you or did they not want to frighten you?

I wonder what the UK’s “true deaths” number is by now.

San Diego says their’s is 6 out of 194 so about 3% – so was the lockdown worth it there?

https://www.dailywire.com/news/san-diego-supervisor-says-only-6-of-194-coronavirus-recorded-deaths-pure-coronavirus-deaths

As more people speak out the narrative falls apart except for in the minds of Bill Gates, our idiots in charge, the establishment and councils.

The problem is, the fewer lives lost, the more lives “saved” by the lockdown 3% of 41,000 is 1,230 (interestingly – that’s not a million miles off the number that we know to be current deaths with _only_ Covid on the death certificate). However, 500,000 minus 41,000 is “only” 359,000, but 500,000 – 1,230 is 498,770.

“My timely action putting you into lockdown saved nearly half a million lives”

Sorry – 459,000. Failure of typing, rather than maths.

It all reminds me of when I was doing a job in India.

before starting operations the Hindu priest came to the office an performed a pooka to bless the job.

Absolute disaster from start to finish due to poor planning, bad engineering and so on and us operations guys and major struggles to get ti all done properly but we did in the and – over budget and over time of course so it was all our fault.

Up comes the 2nd phase and here comes the same priest.

After the ceremony I had a chat with him and asked him why did we do this a 2nd time when last time the job as a shambles.

His answer – “just think how worse it would have been if I hadn’t of done the ceremony”.

Yes, it’s the Elephant Powder Syndrome.
Man seen scattering powder in London streets. Is asked why.
‘It’s to keep the elephants away.’
‘But there aren’t any elephants in London.’
‘Shows how well the powder works, then, doesn’t it?’

Looking at the 90.4% with 2-3 other illnesses on the death certificate, it’s most likely between 1 – 4,000. I’d estimate that in total though it’ll be less than 2,000.

What we do know though is that the Lockdown itself has caused nearly 20,000 non Covid-19 death now of people up to week 23 of this year.

The ban on gatherings of more than 6 people in London, linked to by Toby leads me to make the following observations:

* Whatever is behind the BLM protests, it has provided the Govt a great reason to shut down all legitimate protest and people gathering in the same place. Note that they are still peddling the ‘serious and imminent threat to public health [] posed by the incidence and spread of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus”, It will be interesting to see what happens this weekend!

* Look at the photos in this report (also on the Express w/s):

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1296721/Boris-Johnson-dfid-international-development-aid-foreign-office-merge-anne-marie-trevelyan

Notice anything? No muzzles, no 2 metres distance (‘could be the camera angle ) They know it’s all bollocks and, no, ‘Boris’ is not going to wake up and sort it out. This is the plan, this is the future. We are getting screwed down tighter and tighter by the day and they will carry on as normal.

*Unless I’ve really gone senile, I can’t find much else online about this new ‘law’. Is it not getting reported? Even the Govt website doesn’t see to show it but I haven’t looked at Hansard.

Gatherings outside your household group were made illegal on March 23rd under the The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350

At some point you were then allowed to meet one other person, and then up to 5 from another household, which is where we are now.

The law referred to is just the latest amendement which I think was the one from June 1st, but was only laid before parliament on the 15th

The government has been issuing decrees which have legal force in advance of them being approved in parliament, as it is allowed to under the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 becuase of the “emergency”.

IMO it’s a non-story, and has NOTHING to do with the BLM or counter-BLM protests. The BLM protests are certainly continuing and will not be stopped by this government, ever.

Thanks; your reply and Matt’s post (below) clarify that it was actually a ratification of an exisitng rule.

However, I don’t agree with how it will or won’t be used against protests (BLM or otherwise). My guess is that application of the law will be selective.

Sorry, read your last sentence again! I agree it won’t be used against BLM protests.

Hancock #patgate:

https://news.sky.com/video/coronavirus-health-secretary-slaps-back-of-mp-12008738

UK Column covered this today. Fake news c/o the Express, apparently:
Here’s the link: https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-17th-june-2020

FFS!

Boris Johnson crushes hopes of early end to quarantine PM Boris Johnson has indicated that there will be no early end to the UK’s mandatory quarantine for people entering the country.

https://www.travelmole.com/news_feature.php?c=setreg&region=2&m_id=bvT_T_bm&w_id=37656&news_id=2043132

Well I suggest we row accross the channel in rubber dingies and claim asylum in France – on the basis that we can’t go to the pub!

We could warn anybody in dingies heading in the opposite direction of the tyranny that awaits them.

Wow Boris and Jacinta Ardern are equally stupid!? Just shows how the “left” and “right” have merged?

Jacinta today apologised for letting a person fly in to NZ to attend a funeral and then test positive. (As not tested by a bureaucrat who forgot). Who cares?

Attending a funeral should be a human right.

Al (Boris)Johnson was never on the right. He is an unprincipled globalist idiot and this faked crisis is showing him up for who he really is- if anyone had the slightest doubt remaining after all the green foolishness earlier in the year.

Boris isn’t left or right – he’s of the ”Boris” wing

FatBoJo has never been on the Right – indeed it is questionable, between him and Blair, who is further Left.

If i take an empty van down to south of spain, spend a week or two negotiating over the purchase of a box of oranges, and return to the UK to sell the oranges at market….

Would I be exempt from quarantine in both directions?

You can bet that all politicians will be exempt..

I fail to see how I am importing the virus if I am coming back from a Greek island with zero virus cases. This is literally a deal breaker for me as I need not only to go and see my aged family before one member dies, but also to sort out my residency papers over there. I don’t have time to quarantine when I get back, before I have to return again! I have really had enough of Johnson and Patel’s nonsense. They are beyond all hope. I am never voting Conservative ever again.

o’leay and the other airlines are laying on loads of flights to europe – I think that they are relying on Britain not being a nation of bed wetters and saying ‘fuck it’ to the quarantine, defeating it with numbers.

Just get on a flight to Greece, take the risk – Here’s a little secret to get out of UK quarantine – put your name down as Micky Mouse, and make your address Buckingham Palace – that should keep them off your trail

Aw, it will be a nuisance to Her Majesty if the police keep knocking on her door asking for Micky Mouse.

As long as she’s wearing a mask and jumps into bush when you arrive.

I’m Surprised I’m this hasn’t been flagged as a class war issue.
Basically if you have a nice over seas job you are exempt. So if you are doing lots of flying all over the world that’s ok.
But you want to take your family to Benidorm = Verboten

Getting depressing this now ! I would love a holiday this summer but just looks like more and more unnecessary restrictions are being put in place !

Oh hang on … ok this is only the Daily Fail, but …..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8431165/Holidays-Matt-Hancock-says-minister-publish-air-corridor-list-JUNE-29.html

Yes, but what’s the betting it will then have to be cleared by Sage and implementation to begin on Sept 30th, if it is at that point judged ‘safe’ to do so!?

Just in time for when schools go back, thereby preventing anyone going on holiday than..

If NHS ‘Test and Trace’ says SELF-ISOLATE, pay and travel works like you’re ill.

The UK’s NHS ‘Test and Trace’ schemes are all now up and running. If you’ve been in close contact with someone who tests positive, you may be told to self-isolate for 14 days. If so and you can’t work from home, here’s what you’re due…

• Employee earning an average £120+/wk. Statutory sick pay (SSP) of £95.85/wk, though if your work normally offers more generous sick pay, you may be able to get that.
• Employee earning under £120/wk. If you already claim universal credit, log in to your online journal, update your details and your award should be boosted in line with your drop in earnings. If you’re not already claiming, apply for universal credit and if you need cash urgently, request an ‘advance’ payment.
• Self-employed. You can apply for universal credit as above, though what (if anything) you get depends on your costs, savings and income.
• With regards to travel, if you’re told to self-isolate – which means you can’t go on holiday – you should be able to claim on your travel insurance (if it covers coronavirus, as most got pre-March do) as if you were unable to travel due to sickness. See self-isolation travel insurance help .

PS: Quarantining on return from travel abroad? You can’t claim SSP or owt else over and above the normal.

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They won’t say ‘SELF ISOLATE’, because I won’t pick up the phone

Exactly.
I was told this is the number they call you from.
0300 013 5000

It could be wrong but I’ve filed
It in the phone as don’t answer just in case!

Block it instead, then you don’t have to even think about it.

I did think about it but want to see if anyone actually does call from that number.

Is there anyway not to be involved in this ? Not sure I really understand how it will work TBH if anybody know and would be happy to explain I would appreciate it – I do not want ppl contacting me forcing me to self isolate !

I’m going to direct my number to an answering service

There’s no law forcing you to self isolate, at present, though ministers have said they may consider one, presumably if compliance is low.

I guess your options are:
1) Block the number
2) Don’t answer
3) Answer, say you’ll isolate then don’t
4) Answer, say you won’t isolate
5) Answer, say you’ll isolate and do

I can’t imagine there’ll be any comeback on (3), and on (4) you’ll probably go into the stats as someone who said no

I tend to think that information is good, so if a friend of mine tested positive or had pretty suspicious symptoms I would want to know about it, and consider my position, based on my own health, what contact I had had with that person and what contact I was likely to have with others. If I had it, I would tell people who I had come into contact with myself. All of this is basic common sense and common courtesy and what most of us would do, without government help.

I am not sure what value the government adds to this. Do they try to track down the person who sat next to you on the bus? How on earth would they do that?

I am also not sure if the caller is at liberty to say who it was that came into contact with you. That would annoy me – I would want to know so I could evaluate how much contact I had and what the risks were.

Person on the bus will be traced via mobile phones. No phone, not traced. They will not be saying who the infected person is.

Switch off your phone while on any form if public transport.

The GPS on a modern smartphone still registers your position even if the phone is turned off. You would have to take the battery out to stop this. I just carry an old Nokia with PAYG sim now if I go out into the public domain.

Really? Did not know that…how can it do that if the phone is off?

Battery …….

Apparently, you can’t just remove the battery from an iphone – they’re soldered in!
Old Nokia sounds like the new must have!

Good idea!

Just found this. Where to now??
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/06/17/contact-tracing-app-will-not-ready-winter-admits-health-minister/
Britain’s delayed contact-tracing app will not be ready until winter and “isn’t the priority at the moment”, a government health minister has said.
Lord Bethell, the Junior Health Minister, told MPs of the Science and Technology Select Committee the contact-tracing app was not the focus of Test and Trace’s efforts.
When asked for an exact date, he added he was “managing expectations” by saying winter, although said the government had not scrapped the app and still planned to launch it.
He told MPs:  “We are seeking to get something going for the winter, but it isn’t the priority at the moment.”

Interesting article on Inproportion2 website

http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/case_trends_13jun.html

Yes, it is interesting, but it’s sort of not relevant. While it’s true that the more testing you do, the more cases you’ll find, it’s also true that the absolute number of cases (not necessarily in proportion to tests) is more important in terms of working out the degree to which the thing is in the community.

Yes but you can only estimate the absolute number of cases by dividing the number of positives over the number of tests and extrapolating that to the whole population. So ratio of positives to tests (and in what population) is the only figure anyone should ever be quoting.

Yes, but the tests are only covering a distorted picture of the population anyway, since they cover 1) people who believe they might have symptoms and 2) a smaller number of random population sampling. Because of 1) the actual proportion of positives will be skewed towards suggesting higher infection numbers. But if you discount 1 and only use the results from 2 then you also need to answer the question of what proportion of people are asymptomatic to the extent that their infection won’t be picked up as a positive test.

Well Said. I’ve had this discussion with a few lockdown zealot neighbours.

Right from the start the ramp up in deaths and recorded infections was

a) changed rules almost guaranteeing everyone in hospital who died (Of anything ) with an CV infection because and statistic
B) more testing just mean more cases discovered. A self fulfilling exercise.

The peak infection Date was end March before lockdown started. This has been infered from an estimated 3 week incubation period before symptoms. From the Peak deaths occurred 8th April.

This is so early on this is more like the peak of recording of the deaths because we were Actually looking for it.

If the virus was around October/nov/ dec then the peak was actually back then.

The assumption we were clever enough to actually start testing and catch the peak is rubbish.

When I saw Toby had pointed out that he wrote his first sceptical piece on 31 March 2020, I could not resist the temptation to point out that I wrote my first sceptical piece on 20 March 2020. https://viewsandstories.blogspot.com/2020/03/coronavirus-mortality-and-fear-mongering.html
When this madness is all over, I suspect many people who were all in favour of the lockdown measures will suddenly re-write history and will never have been in favour of the draconian measures.

We’re saving all the photos people send us of them in masks. My favourite so far is a Milwall FC one …

I’ve got to the point now, with no end in sight, if anybody engages with me, out of work, with anything do with the measures to combat the war on the Chinese Killer Virus, I will, politely, ask them to fuck off and die.

Me too. As pensioner and a lady, I never really thought I’d become a criminal, but this lot are fast making me break every rule they dream up. Had enough.

Wholly agree.I used to be a peaceable and law-abiding individual. I’m now a habitual criminal ( in Wales you are one more or less if you breathe without permission) with an abiding hatred of the police and a lust for revolution.

Yes – I reached that point yesterday in the co-op, although my natural politesse stopped a bit short. I am now feeling very, very close to boiling point. There is quite clearly a large powder-keg building in society now. I don’t think it will take much to cause detonation.

Just one tiny spark…

“A new law was waved through Parliament late last night, banning gatherings of more than six people ,”

So was this law in force between 1st June when it was posted on the legislation.gov website as the “current” version of the regs, or was it not law until the Commons had voted on it?

If it was not law, then presumably the law was the previous version of the regulations, which was even more draconian (and enforced as such against anti-lockdown demonstrators), stating:

” 6. —(1) During the emergency period, no person may leave [ F8 or be outside of ] the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. ”

and:

” 7. During the emergency period, no person may participate in a gathering in a public place of more than two people ”

So this big announcement is clearly just misleading spin, to try to make people think there has been some change to the law making demos illegal. And while I might like something that reduces the prevalence of these noxious BLM mobs, I still would prefer media people who decline to engage in promotion of misleading government spin, on principle. Was the purpose to try to make demonstrators think again, or to protect government and civil authorities from criticism of their willful failure to respond to BLM mobs, by making people assume they didn’t have the power to do so until now?

This kind of manipulative propaganda played a large part in enabling the whole coronapanic.

UK Column showed this was fake news today. I thought it was odd that the other papers hadn’t covered it.

Following Monday’s post describing my visit to the local market town here in deepest Devon, this morning I’ve been to the nearest city. Similar scenes to Monday, except worse. At a guess I’d say that fewer than half the shops were open. Crazy and scarcely comprehensible one-way markings and signs everywhere, and loads of hand gel. Few people about. Lots of germ-rebreathers (i.e. muzzles). Don’t these people care about their health? Although I think a fair few of them are hospital drama Walter Mittys.

Of course, the shops can’t possibly go on like this. Ironically, I guess the ones that are closed are doing better, as they are actually losing less money (no staffing costs and reduced bills).

But we down here in the South West must be the exception, as we read and hear about how busy shopping centres in the rest of the country have been.

Loads of buses, most of which were empty. And the one train I saw, as far as I can tell, had no one aboard its four carriages except the driver.

The one good thing is that Hotel Chocolat had loads of stuff at half price, as the sell-by dates are nearing. Presumably they have to either sell it at a loss, or bin it.

On Monday’s post I offered my congratulations to Boris and Hancock and the others for all their efforts in bringing this about. On reflection, I should extend my compliments to all of our MPs, who have been almost without exception entirely complicit in all this. It’s nice to forget party politics for a while, and pay homage to the lot of them.

Yet, of course, special mention must, as always, go to Hapless Hancock. This morning on the Today Programme he was sounding even more smug and supercilious than usual. And who can blame him? After all, he’s been absolutely central to the development of that new steroid treatment for covid patients; and it’s largely down to his efforts and sagacity that we are, at last, ‘beating the virus’. Well done Matt! Hopefully you’ll have time for a shopping trip soon.

The thought of Hancock ‘beating his virus’ is not a pleasant one!

New batteries for the Duracell Bunny. Cloth-eared with stuffing in between.

Re: the sunset clause. The Coronavirus Act 2020 Part 2 Section 90 gives the government the power to alter any power and extend any provision by ministerial fiat.

I feel like that little rabbit in Watership Down that could smell the oncoming danger but everyone ignored
All us troublesome types will be fed to the pigs as part of the final solution – the rest will end up as morlock foder
I’m learing the lyrics to ”Owwww Jeremy Corbyn” – I may be able to blag being one of them

We should all remember that the law was passed without a vote, so every MP from every party supported this. I would save none of them.

Yes indeed; I keep thinking of that schoolboy ditty (slightly editted) : –

Build a bonfire, build a bonfire,
Put the MPs on the top,
Put the teachers round the middle
…..

A law that had the effect of:

the suspension of juries,
the cancellation of elections,
the suppression of the right to freedom of expression,
the denial of the right to assembly,
the suspension of the right to protest,
the limitation of the right to engage in legitimate economic transactions,
the removal of the right to receive or refuse medical attention,
the limitation of the right to freedom of movement within the country,
the limitation of the right to practise religion,
the suspension of the right to an education,
the violation of the right to family life,
the denial of the right to a livelihood,
the institution of a police state by giving the police and others the right to detain indefinitely on mere suspicion,
the removal of the right to privacy,
the undermining of the rule of law.

And not one MP objected.

Yep, it’s going to a inexorable slide into a totalitarian regime. I was telling my friends, relatives and work colleagues this in March I read the proposed coronavirus bill.

I’m scared and depressed.

We are not sliding into a totalitarian regime. It is already here. And the vast majority are completely in favour. The Coronavirus Act 2020 is our version of the Enabling Act 1933. The difference is in Germany there was some organised opposition. Here there are only isolated, unorganised voices of dissent – and the government and the tech giants are busily shutting down dissent.

That doesn’t help

I reckon it does. To solve any problem, ascertaining the facts is usually a great first step.

I was laughed at on Guido in March for suggesting this. Now I don’t especially believe this will happen under this government (some believe it already has). However, our laws love precedent, and that precedent for dictatorship is now set.

This is a point I’ve made – the courts need to speak so that the precedent is expunged.

The above ought to be pasted on every noticeboard, billboard, hording,
website and other conceivable location in the country.

One of the ironies of this madness is the spectacle of the bishops all supporting the lockdown measures and the violent, non-social distancing Black Lives Matters protesters. According to the bishops, people going into a church to pray is far, far too dangerous, but people gathering in thousands to destroy property, hurl missiles, beat people up, attack police and horses is entirely good and completely safe.

These people are destroying satire.

Yes, they are beyond disgusting. Bishops who don’t believe in God but do believe in woke.

I knew it was bad but it looks so awful when you spell it out like that.
Because it is awful!!

Oh dear: yet more worrying info.

If this doesn’t scare you, it should. The last Act that I’m aware of that bestowed this kind of power on a government was the 1933 Enabling Act in Germany. The benificiary? One A. Hitler, leader of the NSDAP. That Act also had a “sunset” clause (of four years), and was duly renewed in 1937 and 1941.

Just sayin’.

Mason Mills wrote yesterday that it would take a new Act of Parliament to repeal the ban on gatherings of more than 6 (ie that there is no sunset clause).. But maybe that is because they are also using another law, the Public Health one, for some of these actions?

I had a feeling there’d be a catch.

Eminent sceptics and by this I mean Professor Dingwall, Lord Sumption, Suneptra Gupta …. have all gone a bit quiet, haven’t they? I was hoping we were approaching the kairotic moment for lockdown scepticism

They probably don’t get much of a platform. I don’t know much about Dingwall. Sumption said he would rather others better placed, like serving politicians, took this up, but sadly none have. Probably also feels he’s said everything he wanted to say. Gupta is a scientist and possibly feels she shouldn’t be waging a single-handed campaign, but again that others better placed ought to take this up, at which point they could call on her for support.

Uptick for ‘kairotic’! Had to look that up.

As Moloko sang: The Time Is Now

Sorry, can’t resist telling you this. Just got someone in who is wearing one of those 3m masks. Doesn’t look all that vulnerable to me – more a “oh, look at me, I’m doing this for your benefit type” Anyway, she wafts in, in her floaty dress all “oh, I don’t suppose you do gluten-free do you?” – we don’t. “Oh, I’ll have a weak coffee then” And then, one of my regular customers comes in and says “have you seen that woman, she’s only wearing bloody leather gardening gloves” And then, she takes her mask off and goes and has a fag … (perhaps she thinks that smoking will minimize her risk of catching the virus!).

Of course she is right about smoking, though you won’t ever hear that from the MSM or politicians. Personally, I hate being close to smokers and see very little positive about it, BUT covid-protector it clearly is!

I always assumed that by the time smokers reached 70+ or had aquired severe medical conditions they had packed in smoking – hence so few smokers dying of covid19

You know what they say about assumptions, Major … Puff puff.

He He – i recently got intouch with someone i’v not seen for over 10 years – when I said who I was he said ”Ah, John the fag” – I had been a heavy smoker back then – well I think thats what he meant…

Funny about smokers – smoking was the cause as to why disproportionately more men than women died of Sars especially in China. But with this Covid 19 its different.

Or else died from other smoking-related diseases before they reach the required age to die from covid?

Yup it does, very early on an Italian doctor said (sort of) mama mia it’s funny smokers seem to be recovering a lot quicker than non-smokers.
Then a recent French study found the same thing.

There was a French senior doctor who prescribed vapes to some people. Pitié-Salpêtrière I think it was.

Sorry, unclear. Pitié-Salpêtrière is the hospital.

Perhaps it’s psychological: they are used to defying dire predictions, so they don’t die of Covifright?

Or only the robust ones remain?

I have seen several interviews with mask wearers who admit they don’t think it makes any difference but they are happy to do it if it makes other people feel safe !,it doesn’t make me feel safe,quite the opposite,it is sinister and shows how unbelievably stupid a lot of people are.Have you noticed how most mask wearers have an air of superiority about them ?,that’s the impression I get anyway.

It’s not just the air of superiority but its also patronising. If I saw someone in a mask, I would not feel safe but would run away thinking that they’re wearing it for some nefarious reason.

My sister posted a photo of herself wearing a mask on social media. I was tempted to comment “virtue signalling twat” but for the sake of family harmony, I simply looked away.

A few weeks ago waiting in my car in a supermarket car park I saw three people get out of a car with large empty bags who then pulled black winter type scarves up over their faces and I thought,now they will get the ‘shooters’ out of the boot !,well it amused me.

LOOOL!!! That made me laugh, thanks a lot!

Post one back of you wearing a snorkel

“Just doing my bit to keep you guys safe #safesnorkelers” or some such bs

You should get off fb by the way. Like giving up television you’ll feel much better very shortly afterwards

Hahahahaha!! Am sorely tempted to buy one of those plague doctor masks off the internet.

I’m barely in it now anyway and same with Instagram – its simply a waste of time, I mostly use it for the messaging function now.

Agree with you both (Paul & Bart), it’s the moral superiority that gets me too. Plus, it was very difficult to understand what she was saying. The situation was straying very close to one of those Two Ronnies -type sketches! And when she pulled on the leather gardening gloves well …

I get some masked people give me strange looks and I stare back at them. I gave one woman at M&S a manic grin and she looked away quickly probably thinking I was psycho.

I might try that! Just got a WhatsApp message, we can rest assured in our town as our local bra shop has done a risk assessment and it is now safe to go there!

Its effective. They think I’m bonkers but they don’t know that I’m laughing at them.

Fork handles

ha ha! A friend sent me this the other day: https://www.google.co.uk/search?sxsrf=ALeKk02zf_JQdqQEhcL5pQlrjYgsG_XdXA%3A1592406471754&source=hp&ei=xzHqXpDTKs2ckgXO_4aIAQ&q=two+ronnies+sweet+shop+sketch&oq=two+ronnies+sweet+shop+ske&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAxgAMgIIADIGCAAQFhAeOgQIIxAnOgUIABCxAzoFCAAQgwE6BAgAEAo6BAgAEA06BggAEA0QHlD7tAFYrcICYPrLAmgGcAB4AIABwAGIAe4XkgEEMjUuN5gBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXo&sclient=psy-ab

Oh I think I’d have made a really big deal of not hearing her because of the mask – especially given the nature of her orders!

There’s a lot of trashing of mask wearers going on, calling them stupid etc, and while I agree with that assessment I must say that IMO a large proportion of the population seem to be enjoying the situation hugely.
This is the most exciting thing that’s ever happened to them. Better than anything on Emmerdale or Corrie.

The beige fuddy duddies are living their best lives in the shadow of the ‘rona.

they are stupid

Peak Mask Moronification

They all have bit parts in the hottest movie of the day !

I’m currently watching the televised racing from Ascot. Jockeys, trainers and stable staff all wearing masks. I’ve never seen anything so ridiculous in my life. The jockey has more chance of being injured or killed falling off the horse. Frankie dettori parading around in his designer mask and the amount of propaganda spouted by the presenters and pundits about social distancing and the need to wear masks is making me feel quite Tom n’ dick. It can’t be healthy for an athlete to be riding a horse wearing a cloth mask.

Side effects of Dexamethasone are pretty gnarly:

https://www.drugs.com/sfx/dexamethasone-side-effects.html

all drugs have side-effects

And the full list is always pretty gnarly

Some of those side effects is why you take them drugs in the first instance

Hi Toby
It’s looking like the Lockdown is unraveling quite quickly now. The beach is rammed, huge queues for fish and chips and ice cream. Kids and families playing in the sea, dogs all over the beach as there are no jobsworths on duty to enforce the dog restrictions. Things are starting to look much more ‘old normal’. No face masks can be seen anywhere on the beach, a few are still being worn by the timorous in the dismal queues outside of the bargain stores.

Thank you for your sterling work over the last few months, you have genuinely kept me sane with your research and updates. I am very eager to receive my LS mugs that I ordered as I would like to use them to drink a toast to the end of lockdown, which I can sense is imminent.

I will of course drink a toast to your good health.

Best of British!

I hope you are right, but I will not be holding my breath!

But until they stop the 2m idiocy so everyone can stop queuing outside shops I don’t care how many people go to the beach – I’ve been going to a beach since day 1 of this insanity. But the queues and the masks and the pubs and restaurants being closed still is really getting to me, and I see no sign of that unravelling.

Apologies for the crudeness but:

Did Beijjing have a 1st outbreak?

This needs reiterating!

This is exactly what I’ve been wondering too… No doubt New Zealand will one day have a second wave, despite never having had a first, and that will be taken as proof that second waves exist.

Toby, can’t you start a hashtag on Twitter, namely whereisthesecondwave? As you pointed out in a recent podcast, with 300,000 demonstrating at BLM, we should now be beginning to see the rise in infections in London and elsewhere. But where is it? I think this should be raised and highlighted on daily basis.

Apparently there’s one at the KFC processing plant?

Chickenshit!

Any event involving BLM has clearly been deemed by the medical experts and the virus itself as being risk-free. There’s a BLM gathering today where I live, complete with stalls, music, other entertainment. It’s like a mini music/cultural festival, albeit socially distanced.

Remember, never vote Conservative again (for those that have done in the last) until every last one of those responsible for the mess we are in has been purged from the party.

Do you have Twitter? Please post this info (with photos if possible) to Mason Mills – he seems to be following up police forces that are not upholding the new law.

Yes! Let’s get that trending!

So now that the epidemic is over, and they’ve already concluded that worse outcomes for BAME people are due to pale-skinned people’s racism (of course) they’re finally going to investigate the role of Vitamin D:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/17/uk-ministers-order-urgent-vitamin-d-coronavirus-review

No doubt Hancock will take the credit should it be “discovered” to be helpful…

I’d like for HandsonCock to be put in a box and ‘discovered’ in fifty years time.
He can take Boris the Spineless with him

This is unbelievable:

“Across the UK, as many as 750 frontline NHS staff have received free immune support packs including liposomal vitamin C, vitamin D and zinc from a voluntary initiative, and there has been some frustration that a more holistic approach to the pandemic has not been implemented.”

So NHS staff are advised to take it, whereas we the great unwashed are told it’s no good?!

Being a nutritionist and clinical herbalist, I have been taking all of these since February. Plus iodine. I have been incensed by the lack of information given to the general public by the NHS medics because they have to toe the “vaccine Big Pharma” line.

Aha so NHS staff given Vitamin C -D& Zinc yet when Prof Delores Cahill advised this she was accused of witchcraft

Out of interest, where did that information come from? Would like to share it..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/17/uk-ministers-order-urgent-vitamin-d-coronavirus-review

At the bottom of the article.

Thanks!

From the Telegraph. More than 90 Coronavirus laws passed without proper parliamentary scrutiny.
Hopefully more fodder for Simon and his lawyers

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/06/17/90-coronavirus-laws-rules-imposed-without-parliamentary-scrutiny/

Go it, Simon!
And I’m sure he will.

Good shout. I have tweeted this to Simon and his lawyer Francis Hoars.

Great, thank you!

Bring back Bercow

Boris Johnson to be told to scrap the 14 day quarantine and reduce the 2 metre rule by the 1922 Committee

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/06/17/boris-johnson-told-reduce-2m-rule-axe-quarantine-meets-1922/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

better late than never, but should they be telling the ventriloquist

should’nt

Cummings?

He’s probably locked up in his dads estate after reading about the Beijing “explosion” in cases.

I’m sure that he’ll soon be getting Sage to recommend another 3 months of strict lockdown.

Cummings needs to step out of the shadows and explain his great plan to fix civil servants and politics issues.
At least let us hang and draw a few of them too

Great comment on this:

Unforced errors? Where do you want to start? (i) Not contextualising, not explaining that 1800 people died every day in the UK anyway; (ii) continuing lockdown even when it was obvious the NHS was not at risk since the Nightingsle hospitals were barely used; (iii) conflating ‘died with’ and ‘died of’ to get the numbers of dead up to justify the claim to calamity and hence the extreme response; (iv) leaping on the care home corpses as a tragedy when (a) in many cases the very old and sick finally dying is by no means a tragedy (b) being finished off by a virus is basically inevitable when you are one or all of very old, very frail, very sick – once again, as (iii) a numbers-boosting exercise; (v) continuing to claim we are ‘all at risk’ after it became totally obvious it was the very old/frail/sick who were the only ones at risk; (vi) maintaining lock-down and wage subsidy in the light of (v). Thats without thinking too hard either. Or even considering the economic calamity thats coming in on the back of all these errors.

Can they also tell him to open up fully…
– Schools, colleges and universities
– Pubs, restaurants, bars, nightclubs and cafes
– Gyms, leisure centres and swimming pools
– Hotels, BnBs
– Allow spectator sports to have, you know, actual spectators

Also allow everyone freedom of movement and forget this bullshit “bubble“ nonsense.

The whole thing is bullshit

Became obvious to me this was 95% BS and panic mongering weeks before the lockdown started!

And hair dressers hair dressers hairdressers!

Dentists, dentists, dentists…they have behaved abominably, if only we could boycott them…

And only providing a limited selection of services! Why?! But a friend tells me “they could loose their licence to practice if they don’t comply with the regulations”. AAAGGGH

Would love to know who has been cutting the hair of all the politicians and TV types for the last few months; Boris is about the only one whose hair looks not to have been cut for some time..

Totalitarian elites rarely follow their own rules.

But lock in and deny sunlight to the wastrels in Westminster. At least until 2022

Basically, go back to normal. The normal normal. NOTHING ELSE WILL DO.

The Guardian (or rather, SAGE) have excelled themselves today.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/16/dont-blame-public-for-covid-19-spread-says-uk-scientist

“The team argue that better explanations for the high Covid-19 death toll in the UK than public behaviour include lockdown being implemented too late because of under-reaction by politicians, as well as systemic problems such as poverty and other inequalities putting certain groups at risk, and failures of communication, including an early focus on self-protection rather than on protecting others.”

An under-reaction ??