2020-06-17

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30172 Biker, replying to Biker, 47, #1 of 473 🔗

Everyone of them wankers shouting at Peter Hitchens wants to fuck right off. Imagine being such a tosser that you’d hang around just to shout at the man when he’s going for a walk. A world led by these people will lead to death camps. We are in a fight for our lives and i can’t fucking wait.

30201 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Biker, 36, #2 of 473 🔗

It is quite astonishing that this is allowed to happen, and in the presence of police officers. If this is not intimidation with the threat of violence, I don’t know what is. I would expect to see it of Putin thugs, or in Zimbabwe. It is pure, unadulterated, blackshirt fascism. And we tolerate it!
If it were a group of men following a woman, or Brexit protestors following an MP, they would be banged up in an instant. There is only one conclusion: the police are colluding in it. And the reason? ” I would not go out if I were you, for your own safety you understand”. Pure fascism.

30261 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to WhyNow, 17, #3 of 473 🔗

So called “moderate” MPs are among the worst offenders. Sarah Campion laughed when told about Farage being held in party offices (during an election campaign) by a violent Far Left mob outside. Numerous commentators, principally on the left but not exclusively so, found it funny when milk shake attacks were launched against people like Farage, Carl Benjamin, Tommy Robinson and others and no charges were ever brought against the attackers. Jo Brand’s BBC career suffered no damage whatsoever when she called for acid attacks on Farage. When a violent mob starting throwing stones at people gathered for a campaign rally the Police watched and did nothing (having escorted the violent mob to the location from which they could throw missiles at their opponents).


30300 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to WhyNow, 14, #4 of 473 🔗

Indeed, they were a disgrace.

Hitchens deserves credit for his good humour in the face of abuse, in that case and generally, and for trying to argue on a rational basis.

I have huge respect for his approach and the stand he has taken, and agree with a lot of his positions. However, somewhere (Twitter I think) he said they (the protesters) were not really fascists. I think I know what he’s getting at, in so far as they didn’t look like they had the stomach for much more than bullying a lone old man, but I don’t think it’s right to dismiss or minimise the effect those people, their campaigns and attitudes have on individuals.

As Hitchens well knows, if you are in almost any walk of life now and you question in any way the agenda of those people, or fail to show sufficient enthusiasm for it, you risk being publicly shamed attacked, ostracised AND YOU RISK LOSING YOUR JOB AND MAY NEVER WORK AGAIN IN YOUR CHOSEN PROFESSION – and many DO actually lose their livelihoods – career over.

If that isn’t a form of fascism, I don’t know what is. I have to conclude at this point that those people have declared war on me and that they are my enemy, and this will have to be a fight to the death.

30318 ▶▶▶▶ paulito, replying to Julian, 10, #5 of 473 🔗

Agree. Those scumbags harassing people like Peter Hitchins have to be challenged. They have nothing to offer society except vile, hypocritical virtue signalling. Hitchens is worth more than the lot of them put together.

30385 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Julian, 4, #6 of 473 🔗

Yes, although I feel he is sometimes treated as a licensed clown by the BBC (who think his fusty fifties Lewisian aura will put young people off, and they may be right), he is undoubtedly brave and on the side of the angels in all this.

Where are the MPs ready to speak out against Far Left Fascism? Not a single one prepared to come out and tell the truth.

30205 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Biker, 1, #7 of 473 🔗

Have a look at this scum bag hypocrite. Just shows what kind of brain dead morons these bullies are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-A-d1f3oFI

30296 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to T. Prince, #8 of 473 🔗

I’ll take your word for it. I don’t want the stomach acid to be churning this early in the morning!

30353 ▶▶▶▶ Scapes, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #9 of 473 🔗

No, Nick, it’s really worth a look!

30294 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Biker, 2, #10 of 473 🔗

Yes bring it on. This is a bit O/T, so I apologise for that, but I’m sure one of the reasons the government rushed through legislation to prevent gatherings of more than six people is because they are terrified that otherwise there may well be a LOT more ex-Forces people and assorted patriots visiting London this weekend.

30359 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #11 of 473 🔗

1000 teams of six…
Help achieve focus of Westminster

30521 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Biker, 3, #12 of 473 🔗

Indeed; come the October mass redundancies, civil war beckons strongly.

30174 Biker, replying to Biker, 36, #13 of 473 🔗

anyone who downloads these apps are a threat to humanity and have my utter revulsion and contempt.

30175 Stephen McMurray, replying to Stephen McMurray, 43, #15 of 473 🔗

I am afraid the nightmare will never end. There are various stories in the Telegraph pushing the compulsory mask idea. First of all if the 2m rule is reduced to 1 metre then we should all be wearing masks apparently. Then if any employer has a BAME employee then all staff need to wear masks ( I knew they would start using this one even though they have done no research whatsoever as to why BAME members of the public are more susceptible – vitamin D levels perhaps). Then there is also the British medial Association pushing the theme for anywhere where social distancing is impossible. All this when masks have been proven not to have any effect at all in preventing the spread of the virus because the viral particles are so small they will always get through even the best designed mask

I think the masks are simply to dehumanise us and, as they cover the mouth, are there to remind us we have no voice. This may sound a bit insane but I think this is apart of the transhumanist agenda. People like Elon Musk have stated that they believe they will be able to link the human brain to computers by 2030. As part of this push they want us to feel less human so we will be happier to become more computer like.

Bear with me on this. Mass immigration was designed to destroy one’s cultural identity as various cultures would flow into one another and dilute them. Then there is the EU pushing to get rid of idea of nation states, which is why the media and social media hated the idea of Brexit so much. So they take away your idea of your culture and then your nationhood,. Then came the idea that you may not even be the sex you thought you were as men can say they are woman and vice versa. So we will be confused as to what makes us us – our culture, our nationhood, our sex. Now we have our history being torn down so we wont know about that part of us either. Masks then will take away or visual identity and the loss of freedom of speech is taking away our very voice.

Then from the other side, we have the advancement in technology. First we had devices we carried around like mobiles and tablets. Now we are coming to wearables like jewellery and watches that can pay our bills electronically. Next will be implants where we will be implanted with chips that means the mere wave of a hand can open doors in your house or pay the bill in a restaurant. Microchipping has already been suggested for prisoners and Alzheimer patients and has been pushed at parents to have their kids chipped in case they get abducted

In case you think this idea of microchipping humans is far fetched it has already begun. Some big companies have persuaded their staff to have microchip implants and up to 20,000 Swedes already have implants.

We also have the fact that robots will soon be taking over the jobs of some humans so you may find yourself working with a robot. Some people are actually advocating that robots should have robot rights like human rights

So, eventually when you have your culture, nation, sex, and visual appearance destroyed and made to have a microchip implant some people may will think the next step of having your brian linked up to A.I. is fine. It may even make you ‘immortal’.

On small problem, who has access to the off switch?

Bit of circuitous rambling from the idea of compulsory mask wearing but as it can’t be about stopping the virus as masks simply cannot do that then there has to another agenda.

30188 ▶▶ annie, replying to Stephen McMurray, 28, #16 of 473 🔗

I’m afraid we will have to risk arrest by refusing to wear masks, if the tyrants try to impose them.
We may need a legal fighting fund. I think that can be provided. (Crowdfunding?)
Hope it doesn’t come to that.

30209 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, 34, #17 of 473 🔗

I will never wear a mask no matter what these creatures do to me, never. This is my world, my life and my choice.

30214 ▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Biker, 15, #18 of 473 🔗

Yep, I’m with you Biker

30220 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Winston Smith, 13, #19 of 473 🔗

Cheers Winston, i get the feeling you’re levels of pissed off-ness are pretty much in line with mine

30396 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Biker, 1, #20 of 473 🔗

Yep, I just need an excuse.

30250 ▶▶▶▶ Evelyn, replying to Biker, 15, #21 of 473 🔗

I feel exactly the same and I won’t be vaccinated too.

30313 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Evelyn, 1, #22 of 473 🔗

agree

30374 ▶▶▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Evelyn, 1, #23 of 473 🔗

You might not be able to resist if you need an immunity certificate to go to work, use public transport or enter any publicly-accessible building, such as a shop.

Given the way things are going, you might also find yourself being arrested and then forcibly vaccinated.

30398 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Simon Dutton, 1, #24 of 473 🔗

It pretty much says that in the Coronavirus Bill, at least the copy I read before it went through.

30407 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Evelyn, -1, #25 of 473 🔗

‘97% of Corona vaccine recipients will become infertile’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLM-wV1PMH8

Or have reduced testicular size!

30712 ▶▶▶ Stephen McMurray, replying to Kate Wilmslow, 1, #27 of 473 🔗

Yes, I am aware of this David Icke has mentioned him a few times

31597 ▶▶▶▶ Kate Wilmslow, replying to Stephen McMurray, #28 of 473 🔗

Quite interesting that one of the points made back in 1969 is that one day everything will stop and society will wake up to a new system.

Or in today speak; “a new normal.”

Worth a listen to tapes 1 and 2.

I challenge anyone to disagree with the majority of changes outlined having NOT come true!

30247 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Stephen McMurray, #29 of 473 🔗

To be honest we’re pretty limited on the survival of humans front. Within the next 20-30 years there will be a huge development in AGSIP’s (Artificial General Super Intelligence with Personality). This will eventually have the job of making the decision as to whether we live or die, as it’s intelligence power will that much greater than ours it will really not have any need for us.

It may let us live like domestic pets, or it could be like the Matrix and we become batteries to power this intelligence.

30351 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to JohnB, #30 of 473 🔗

Poppycock!

30524 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to JohnB, #31 of 473 🔗

Yes? I have seen that ‘within the next 20-30 years’ for a long time; also in the context of climate change and various other scams.

30383 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Stephen McMurray, 5, #32 of 473 🔗

One of the main reasons the 2-m rule should be dropped (apart from the fact it is stupid) is to allow pubs, restaurants, cafes etc to function more normally. Surely, surely even the idiots in charge can see that compulsory mask-wearing in places where you eat and drink is a non-starter?

On second thoughts, perhaps not…

30437 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Stephen McMurray, 7, #33 of 473 🔗

At the start of LS when I was merely hinting, not expressing outwardly for fear of ridicule I’m afraid, that the real agenda was not about a virus there were very few here who agreed. I didn’t get any flak but there wasn’t much agreement that my fears were well founded. And to be honest I was reluctant to be compared to a David Icke acolyte. But the whole thing with masks bears me out. Everyone knows they don’t work but I have friends who willingly wear them, almost as if they have been hypnotised against all their common sense notions. More to the point, there is plenty of evidence that masks are a danger to health. So why now? If masks weren’t a necessity back in mid-March when this ‘thing’ was at its most infectious then why now? Any why did authorities wait two weeks after announcing masks would be worn on public transport to make them mandatory? Was the virus on holiday for two weeks? Can we now call this for what it is? A massive hoax. A coup. And can we please rise up.

30176 Paul B, 2, #34 of 473 🔗

My T-shirt arrived today Toby and I love it! Should explain my feelings on muzzles without having to be asked! 🙂

30179 HawkAnalyst, replying to HawkAnalyst, 1, #35 of 473 🔗
30661 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to HawkAnalyst, -1, #36 of 473 🔗

Would you like to be treated by a dentist who has a migraine due to hyper-cautious mask-wearing?

And how about the recent graduate who doesn’t seem to understand about how pathogens spread (or don’t!), immune systems etc. Worrying!

30180 HawkAnalyst, #37 of 473 🔗
30182 Laura, replying to Laura, 12, #38 of 473 🔗

How do we respond when people say (because they do) – there hasn’t been a spike because everyone was wearing masks at the protests. This is total BS, but you know it’s being said now. I really might enter a deeper pit of despair if 1 meter “rule” comes with “mandatory mask.”

30223 ▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to Laura, 7, #39 of 473 🔗

HawkAnalyst’s picture above clearly shows non mask wearing protesters

30314 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Laura, 1, #40 of 473 🔗

Masks are a great way to conceal your identity as protests – mainly those in the front, not so at the back

30183 Andrew Clapton, replying to Andrew Clapton, 7, #41 of 473 🔗

I’m just watching the Premier league at the moment. There are lots of masks being worn for show. Ridiculous. However now we have been able to have protests how about some open air concerts as there has been no negative effect? Hyde Park perhaps? We could make it all politically correct so that the police would allow it.

30202 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Andrew Clapton, 4, #42 of 473 🔗

Why no Wimbledon? Can tennis players not play without applause between each pointt?!

30208 ▶▶▶ Seamonster, replying to Carrie, 4, #43 of 473 🔗

Because they had a big insurance payout , same with the British open golf. Not saying it’s right…but suspect that’s the real reason.

30186 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #44 of 473 🔗

Hancock, totally unable to follow his own stupid rules.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1i1M5zK1nE

30203 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #45 of 473 🔗

He has a bit of a habit of doing this sort of thing – didn’t he greet the parents of Harry Dunn with a ‘hug’?

30254 ▶▶ Invunche, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #46 of 473 🔗

Do as I say not as I do

30301 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to A. Contrarian, 15, #47 of 473 🔗

The man’s a total bellend. He earned my ire with his threat to take away the outdoor exercise. A threat, incidentally, was collective punishment, illegal under international law, never mind domestic law.

30302 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #48 of 473 🔗

Sorry for jumbling up the sentences, for some reason I’m especially angry at the lockdown today. Not people on here, I hasten to add.

30304 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #49 of 473 🔗

Me too. I’m having a fury day.

30402 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #50 of 473 🔗

I think it’s all part of the same psyop. ‘They’ continue to flout their own draconian rules (muzzles, 2m, lockdown visits etc) in full sight of us all, while turning the screws on the rest of us, backed up by the continuing fear/threat campaign. The inconsistency over BLM v lockdown protests is also part of it.

All we can do is resist as much as we can and keep talking to people. I suspect that there are more of ‘us’ than we think. That’s why we have to be kept down, so don’t be!

30675 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #51 of 473 🔗

We need the t-shirt, or similar identifier.

Pity I’ve never been able to stand the British Bulldog nonsense, or I’d have got one of Toby’s.

I can’t abide nationalism in any form and Churchill was an arrogant tosser, which is why Bloris identifies with him.

Besides, the breed is particularly prone to ear infections, skin infections and obesity.

Sorry Toby! Back to the drawing board.

30191 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 45, #52 of 473 🔗

I remember in March talking to a member of staff and saying well in a months time we will either be bringing out the dead or the government will have called the whole thing off. I would never have imagined three months later the whole charade would be still in full play, the country still in effect closed down and less than 5 % of kids in the UK receiving a school education.

The mass media and the BBC have been instrumental in purveying hysteria and conveying the message that this deadly virus is just waiting for you to leave your house.In reality if you asked most people if they knew anyone who had died of coronavirus they would say no although a small minority might say one of the little and large comedians.

Anyway today was the day I ventured to visit a ” non essential ” shop to buy a part for my bike. There was the Soviet style queue outside the shop, the hand sanitiser , the assistents in their rubber gloves and the reprimand for not following the one way system through the aisles. I ve decided the new normal shopping isn’t for me and i will be using Bezos ‘s company with regret from now on.

30193 ▶▶ Laura, replying to Peter Thompson, 30, #53 of 473 🔗

I totally agree. Cannot believe it is mid-June and we are here. The one-way system is just absolute insanity. I went to Kew Gardens and couldn’t leave the main entrance, but had to walk to an exit far away from where I needed to be (the tube). Outdoors! For what reason? We cannot be the only sane ones!!

30198 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Peter Thompson, 26, #54 of 473 🔗

Peter, I too thought it would be all over in a few weeks (once the NHS had been ‘protected’. The more I read and see the more I think there must be more to it all. I think I’m reasonably intelligent but, because I can.t figure it out, I’m beginning to believe in ‘shadowy figures at work’.

If everyone is ‘following the science’, h ow on earth on this small island of ours can we have 4 different ways of dealing with this ‘deadly virus'(Sturgeon is now suggesting that this pantomime will continue in Scotland until 11 August unless she/they can keep the numbers of weekly cases in double figures). Why are there not more people asking just this one simple question? I really do despair for the future of my kids….

30306 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to T. Prince, 14, #55 of 473 🔗

They seem hellbent on reducing this country to being the first cold-weather third world country. They want us in poverty and utterly reliant on them. But they will lose, because more of us are waking up now. The country is astir. The BLM protests are one manifestation of it. But only one.

30387 ▶▶▶▶ Tony Prince, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #56 of 473 🔗

The backlash is gaining ground in the US, take a look at Dr Steve Turley’s twice daily blogs on YouTube

30206 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Peter Thompson, 21, #57 of 473 🔗

Agreed, the role of the media (fuelled by Remainer resentment and Borisophobia) has been shameful: talking up 500K death models, ramping up fear, arguing for draconian measures (and then at the first sign of Far Left protest, not condemning their complete disregard of the law on public gatherings), referencing excess deaths as though they are all Covid-19 as opposed to Lockdown related (then ignoring excess deaths when they start to fall dramatically and go into negative in London), uncritically accepting the racism explanation for excess deaths in the BAME communities and, finally, now criticising the Government for the effects of the Lockdown on the economy, having argued for the Lockdown all along.

This was fundamentally a media-generated crisis. That politicians cravenly colluded in it shows how useless our politicians are. They failed to call out the media.

30232 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to OKUK, 9, #58 of 473 🔗

No mention at all in the media of the 1,200 excess deaths at home for week 23

30408 ▶▶▶ microdave, replying to OKUK, 2, #59 of 473 🔗

This was fundamentally a media-generated crisis


And now some of them have the brass necked cheek to complain that
 “We’ve all been infected with an excessive fear”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8434087/STEPHEN-GLOVER-Britain-shake-morbid-funk-wake-coronavirus.html

30555 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to microdave, 2, #60 of 473 🔗

Daily Mail being one of the very worst offenders!

30248 ▶▶ Invunche, replying to Peter Thompson, 29, #61 of 473 🔗

Have to say that I’m frustrated to the point of depression with this now.

Cannot believe that people are just taking this without question or fight.

Three months ago we were told “flatten the curve”. It’s been flat for two months and yet here we still are. Waiting for Herr Cummings to accept that the 2nd Spanish-flu like wave isn’t coming.

Why are there no mass protests against something that is patently a load of utter made up bollocks?

How is he getting away with this?

30308 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Invunche, 5, #62 of 473 🔗

Wait until the money runs out, and furlough ends. That’s when you’ll see the change en masse.

30312 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #63 of 473 🔗

And I seriously doubt that it will be pretty. BLM is the sideshow for now but when the main attraction comes – i.e. ordinary people who have had enough and have nothing to lose then that day of reckoning has arrived.

30446 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Nick Rose, #64 of 473 🔗

Can’t wait that long. Martial law will be in place by then.

30859 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella, #65 of 473 🔗

I’m afraid you’re probably right.

30352 ▶▶▶ Laura, replying to Invunche, 3, #66 of 473 🔗

No – and I wonder why we keep comparing to something in 1918 where health and cleanliness was vastly different.

30557 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Laura, #67 of 473 🔗

Not to mention that flu acts very differently from coronas.

30563 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Invunche, 3, #68 of 473 🔗

I don’t know, but start with little acts of defiance – tear down a Civinotice, go the wrong way along the nasty little arrows, tell a mask- wearer not to run in it he will drop dead from CO2 poisoning, etc.- and the defiance will snowball.
One thing is certain: if nobody does anything by way of resistance, They have won. And They cannot be allowed to win because They are the killers of the human soul.

30265 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Peter Thompson, 16, #69 of 473 🔗

There are other online shops apart from Amazon its worth supporting the smaller sites otherwise eventually there will only be Amazon.

30404 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #70 of 473 🔗

Agree. We never use Amazon.

30450 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #71 of 473 🔗

I use ebay when I can, but are there other ‘hubs’ to go to like Amazon, rather then juts online versions of high street shops? I would support a company competing with Amazon.

30861 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella, #72 of 473 🔗

Amazon is a good way to locate the independent companies who sell online. Then you can buy direct from them.

30303 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Peter Thompson, 12, #73 of 473 🔗

Nothing less than a crime against humanity is being conducted in this country (and in others, but I only worry about the one I’m living in). There will be a day of reckoning.

30315 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #74 of 473 🔗

I’m loving your positive sounding posts, NR but I’m unable to see any kind of coordinated resistance movement being planned anywhere by anyone.

30458 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to bluemoon, 3, #75 of 473 🔗

That’s because we’re all being watched. I don’t know how you get round that one. Here’s a question I would love answered. Don’t the 77th Brigade and all those who muster them want to live in a free society too? Is it worth the price of living in a joyless world just so that you can control a few people? Joy is infectious and if those who would control you create a grey, drab little world a la 1984 don’t they realise that they have to live in it too? It is a self-inflicted wound. Don’t they understand that control over others isn’t the aphrodisiac they assumed that it would be? That creating laughter and not tears, love not hate is the natural human dynamic? They must know that to be loved is more pleasurable than to be hated. Unless, as I have always suspected, those who seek power are mentally ill.

30570 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to bluemoon, 1, #76 of 473 🔗

That’s because such things rarely are co-ordinated or planned. Resistance does not require you to do something, it requires you to not do something. Just don’t play the game using their rules. That’s how these things always begin. Or do you think that every single resistance movement just fell out of the sky, fully organised already?

30324 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Peter Thompson, 7, #77 of 473 🔗

This is a massive experiment to see how you can influence and control the masses. Imagine what you can do with this information in future – just scare the people and feed them garbage via the media and you can do what you want.

There are definitely some other hidden agendas at play. Hopefully some investigative journalists (i know they are scarce) will eventually get to the bottom of this.

In the meantime make sure you guide your children to always question facts and then make an informed decision.

30682 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Peter Thompson, #78 of 473 🔗

More choice too!

Console yourself by realising that Bezos provides more shop fronts for hundreds of small businesses than any high street has been doing.

Many are mums with small kids, working from their kitchens. Other examples are passionate artisan coffee roasters, able to reach a wider market.
Etc. Etc.

30192 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 17, #79 of 473 🔗

With regard to these ‘woke’ companies, just boycott them as far as possible. When society has been destroyed by the leftist loons, don’t they realise that they won’t exist any longer anyway? So, BBC licence fee-gone, Netflix-gone, Kellogg’s-no more, SKY-teetering. LEGO – never again.

Suppose there will come a time soon when there’s eff all else to boycott but it does make one feel good (and I’m saving a small fortune….!).

30391 ▶▶ Tony Prince, replying to T. Prince, 1, #80 of 473 🔗

Just read an article at ‘Conservative Woman’ so…National Trust membership card-shredded!

30196 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 22, #81 of 473 🔗

I am thankful that these doctors have coordinated for such an important letter but what has taken them so long? Yet, it really should not have been necessary, as the negative outcomes from a lockdown might reasonably have been predicted by anyone with an ounce of common sense.

30316 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #82 of 473 🔗

agree

30197 RDawg, replying to RDawg, 6, #83 of 473 🔗

Wait a minute; Toby is 56 years old. No way! Is that a typo?

30325 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to RDawg, #84 of 473 🔗

Nope

30199 Alice, replying to Alice, 4, #85 of 473 🔗

Some humour from Daily Mail message board:

Important new advice just issued on avoiding a second wave: Wear a mask, stay 2m apart, wash your hands frequently and keep well away from any fish that suddenly start coughing.

And social distance from your own dinner plate. Do not allow stomach to meet food.

30215 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Alice, 3, #86 of 473 🔗

and to be really sure, take 32 paracetamol 500mg tablets……….

30412 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Winston Smith, 2, #87 of 473 🔗

To make sure add in bottle of vodka or other favourite tipple and get into a hot tub.

30309 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Alice, 3, #88 of 473 🔗

And if you flush too soon, you’ll die from covid. Flush too late, you’ll die from cholera.

30200 Carrie, replying to Carrie, 13, #89 of 473 🔗

It is amazing that the government have not opened schools – do they think parents are stupid and are not aware that schools in other countries are open (without social distancing!)? And that there have not been mass deaths of teachers or pupils?

30299 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Carrie, 10, #90 of 473 🔗

Yet many people are saying they won’t send their children back to school. To which I say: Fine, that is your choice. Because of the extraordinary circumstances we have had this year, we won’t even charge you for failure to comply with the Education Acts. But don’t you bloody well dare interfere with my right to ensure my children receive the education that I pay for through my taxes. How dare you make that choice for me?

30320 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Carrie, 1, #91 of 473 🔗

Agree. Also Labour has really shot themselve in the foot by not supporting the opening of schools. Zero points to Starmer – this will come back and bite them!!

30323 ▶▶ paulito, replying to Carrie, 9, #92 of 473 🔗

The problem is that many people are just that stupid. I’m disgusted by all those who refuse to find out the truth about this huge scam.

30666 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, 1, #93 of 473 🔗

As long as they hang on to the 2m rule, the government is stuck. God knows why they won’t relax it but that’s the major obstacle here, as everywhere.

The rule sends out a message that there’s something to be scared of, so the scared ones won’t want to send their kids.

Those who know it’s hoax don’t want to send their kids to a gulag.

Stalemate!

30204 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #94 of 473 🔗

https://www.gilmorehealth.com/chinese-coronavirus-is-a-man-made-virus-according-to-luc-montagnier-the-man-who-discovered-hiv/

In a follow up interview Prof Luc Montagnier (Nobel prize winner for HIV) insists that Covid-19 was a man made virus possibly used for production of a HIV vaccine. Most likely an accidental release and not a deliberate release. The good news is
“In any case, this thesis, defended by Professor Luc Montagnier, has a positive turn. According to him, the altered elements of this virus are eliminated as it spreads: “Nature does not accept any molecular tinkering, it will eliminate these unnatural changes and even if nothing is done, things will get better, but unfortunately after many deaths.”“This is enough to feed some heated debates! So much so that Professor Montagnier’s statements could also place him in the category of “conspiracy theorists”: “Conspirators are the opposite camp, hiding the truth,” he replies, without wanting to accuse anyone, but hoping that the Chinese will admit to what he believes happened in their laboratory.To entice a confession from the Chinese he used the example of Iran which after taking full responsibility for accidentally hitting a Ukrainian plane was able to earn the respect of the global community. Hopefully the Chinese will do the right thing he adds. “In any case, the truth always comes out, it is up to the Chinese government to take responsibility.”

30260 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to swedenborg, 6, #95 of 473 🔗

The problem is we do not require the Chinese to do the right thing – there are many good Chinese people like in any race but we require the Chinese Communist Party to do the right thing a bunch of psychopaths who have been brutalising the Chinese people for decades. Why would anyone expect them to do ‘the right thing’ ?

30310 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to swedenborg, #96 of 473 🔗

The man-made elements aren’t being knocked out fast enough for me. Come on nature, get yer finger out.

30395 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, 2, #97 of 473 🔗

OK I’m not an expert in genomics, but I have downloaded the actual genomes of SARS1, SARS2, NL63 (another human coronavirus but that entered the human population about 1000 years ago), and HIV, and written a bit of code to compare them for myself. The code looks for subsequences of a given codon-length (a codon is just a run of 3 nucleotides and codes for a single amino acid) in another genome and counts how many times they appear.

If I compare SARS1 and SARS2 I find lots in common. The longest subsequence in common is 39 codons, with 2 more shared sequences at 38 codons, hundreds at 10 or 15 codons or so, and several hundred down at 5 codons. We know these viruses have a lot in common so this appears to validate my crude comparison technique.

If I compare the more distantly-related NL63 with SARS1 or SARS2, I find much less in common, but it is still noticeable. There are 105 4-codon sequences from NL63 in SARS2, 7 5-codon sequences, and 2 6-codon sequences. I get a very similar result if I compare NL63 with SARS1.

Now if I compare HIV with all three other viruses, there is practically nothing in common with any of them.

I find 8 4-codon length subsequences of HIV in NL63, 8 in SARS2, and 20 in SARS1. And nothing else (I didn’t look for sequences shorter than 4 codons as they are unlikely to be meaningful). In fact according to this metric HIV has much more in common with SARS1 than it does with SARS2 (but I doubt the result is meaningful at all).

So I remain skeptical that SARS2 is any kind of a deliberate chimera involving HIV.

30566 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to guy153, 1, #98 of 473 🔗

I too doubt the manufactured hypothesis. Indeed, the only instances of biological warfare research consider existing conditions only, rather than invent new ones. And viruses that kill their host tend not to last very long. It is far easier to concoct chemical weapons than bio weapons.

30582 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Nick Rose, #99 of 473 🔗

I think you probably could create an extremely nasty bioweapon by genetically engineering viruses if you wanted to. But I don’t see why the Chinese would be doing this.

The main drawback of using something like Covid as a weapon is how do you stop it infecting your own side? It’s the kind of thing terrorists might be mad enough to do (but fortunately most of them are also pretty clueless) but not the Chinese government. At their level the point of weapons is to threaten people with which means they have to be legit. That rules out chemical and bio but obviously colossal thermonuclear bombs are totally fine.

The HIV story doesn’t have to have been weapons of course. It could have been vaccine research gone wrong or something. It could even have arisen naturally. But there’s no smoking gun in the genome.

30207 Biker, replying to Biker, 28, #100 of 473 🔗

i wonder which one of us lockdown skeptics will become the prisoner standing for humanity in a six foot cell. I will never surrender my right as a living animal on this planet to any of their restrictions. These vile creatures are hell bent on destroying humanity and it will take an average man to beat them. Churchill didn’t win the war it was some dude from a village someplace fighting that did. So now i am openly confronting anyone with a mask. I highly recommend it. They absolutely shit themselves. It may be because i’m six four and not scared of anyone anywhere but fuck them. The time has come for Lockdown Skeptics to show some bottle. We can’t allow the weak to win.

We shall go on till the end
We will confront them in the shops
We will confront them in the pubs and the clubs
we will fight them with growing confidence and growing strength in the air
we shall defend our island whatever the cost will be
We shall fight on the terraces, we will fight them in the parks
we shall fight on the beaches and in the duty free,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets
we shall fight them on Ben Nevis
we shall never surrender
and if, which i do not for a moment believe, this island or a large part of it were vaccinated and mask wearing, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the Satan Slaves would carry on the struggle, until, in Lemmy Kilmister’s good time, the metal heads, the bikers, the junkies, the whores, the lost, the vacant, the dispossessed, the guitar players, the dope fiends, the ravers, the casuals, the long term unemployed, the trolley boys, the new romantics, the Pet Shop Boys, the Stooges, the Sex Pistols and the Fields of the Nephilim, with all their power and might, steps forth with a fat joint and a beer in hand to the rescue and the liberation of the old.

30210 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Biker, 24, #101 of 473 🔗

Indeed. I tore down my first antisocial distancing notice today.

30218 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Jonathan Castro, 26, #102 of 473 🔗

it might not seem much but it’s this kind of thing that we must do. I applaud you and wish you well in all your efforts. This is the time to make a stand. The enemy isn’t in Germany or France, it’s not a million troops or an air raid, it’s the compliant people doing the bidding of those that have taken our country from us. We now live under occupation and i fear it’s not gonna end well for any of us but i will die with my boots on not sitting in my house cowering from the wankers who think they control us because once every five years we can vote.
I want to get back to racing my dirt bikes, my kids at school, afternoon drinking sessions, illegal raves and all the things that make my life enjoyable. I love living, i love doing all the things a human can do. What they are proposing isn’t life it’s hell and i ain’t about to go down without a fight even if it ends in flames.

30338 ▶▶▶▶ paulito, replying to Biker, 8, #103 of 473 🔗

Governments are getting away with their crimes against humanity because a large part of humanity are letting them. Weak, ignorant cowards who are digging their own graves.

30219 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Jonathan Castro, 5, #104 of 473 🔗

I did that a couple of weeks ago, it felt good!

30252 ▶▶▶ Paul B, replying to Jonathan Castro, 9, #105 of 473 🔗

Hah, I passed a few ‘park closed’ laminated warnings on a walk yesterday and rue not taking a pair of snips out with me, time for another walk!

30275 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jonathan Castro, 7, #106 of 473 🔗

Keep it up. Tear them all down.

30410 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to annie, 6, #107 of 473 🔗

We now carry scissors, secateurs and a permanent marker with us when we go out!

30336 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Jonathan Castro, 5, #108 of 473 🔗

Some regular readers of LS may recall that I mentioned a pebble shrine to the NHS that had been installed outside our Parish Hall (yes, really!). Oh dear, I think some of the more obsequious pebbles may have ‘disappeared’ … (my more robust message to lockdown was swiftly censored so I thought it only fair to do the same!).

30405 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Jonathan Castro, 2, #109 of 473 🔗

Good for you! We take any opportunity to do the same.

30216 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Biker, 2, #110 of 473 🔗

I am close……

30217 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Winston Smith, 7, #111 of 473 🔗

anger is an energy!

30221 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #112 of 473 🔗

John Lydon is the only PIL i want to take

30222 ▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Biker, #113 of 473 🔗

😁 👍🏻

30259 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Biker, 4, #114 of 473 🔗

The Government seems pretty vacant at the moment.

30281 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 1, #115 of 473 🔗

‘Blind acceptance is a sign of stupid [or fucking] fools that stand in line.’

‘When there’s no future, there cannot be sin.’

‘Claustrophobia, there’s too much paranoia. There’s too many closets, so when will we fall?’

‘A cheap holiday in other people’s misery.’

‘Ah ha ha, ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?’

‘I’m not a discharge. I’m not a loss in protein.’

30311 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Biker, 6, #116 of 473 🔗

I had a word with three security guards in a local-ish (indoor) shopping precinct on Monday. All three bigger than me. They wanted me to walk on the left (fine), but they were having a conversation. They were all correctly distanced, so I could either a) walk around them or b) walk through the middle of them. I chose a). I think most people would, you don’t walk through other people’s conversations.
“Walk on the left sir.”
“Love to, but you’re in the way.”
“Sorry sir.” Shuffle, shuffle.
FFS. Next time (if there’s a next time), right through the middle.

30213 Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #117 of 473 🔗

Fecal plumewise Toby Young has indeed been doing some unintentional recycling if he hasn’t been closing the lid before flushing but unsurprisingly with no obvious harm.

30228 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #118 of 473 🔗

Did nobody ever ask why toilets have lids before? Well now you know. Lid down and flush.

30238 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to djaustin, #119 of 473 🔗

Presumably you don latex gloves before lifting the lid again.

30276 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to OKUK, #120 of 473 🔗

And a WW2 gas mask as recommended by Peter Hitchens.

30317 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to djaustin, -1, #121 of 473 🔗

There was me thinking they were to make it easier to settle down on. More support for upper legs than a narrow piece of porcelain. Sorry matey, sounds like more sh1t to me.

30363 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #122 of 473 🔗

The Scottish invented the toilet seat in 1709.
In 1801 the English perfected this device by putting a hole in it…

30225 Carrie, replying to Carrie, 12, #123 of 473 🔗

Great list – shows just how farcical things have become! Think someone should post it on all MPs Twitter accounts, or at least email it to them…

30244 ▶▶ HawkAnalyst, replying to Carrie, 7, #124 of 473 🔗

Sent to someone who is connected to Government/MPs earlier

30227 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #125 of 473 🔗

Does anyone know what’s going on with Sweden at the moment? According to wordometer, which I know is less than accurate, daily new cases have shot up over the last few days. I’m assuming this is due to increased testing, although I can’t find anything to confirm that. Deaths have been steadily decreasing, but today are up to more than 100 again. I’m hoping this is just an anomaly? Perhaps deaths from days or weeks ago being added on to today’s total? Otherwise, this is not good news.

30231 ▶▶ Biker, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #126 of 473 🔗

one day nobody will die again, ever, of anything, then we can get back to normal, until then…………………

30234 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to A. Contrarian, 22, #127 of 473 🔗

I’m in Sweden. It’s just increased testing – Anders Tegnell said so today. Numbers in intensive care today are 72 less than this time last week..

30241 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Carrie, 4, #128 of 473 🔗

That’s great, thanks for letting me know. It’s what I thought – I had a feeling I read something about it a week or so ago, but as always it’s impossible to find the truth… So most people out there are probably rubbing their hands in glee at this evidence of Sweden’s failure.

30321 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #129 of 473 🔗

They always do.And they’re always wrong. Remember the panic-mongering over “second wave” in Japan, Korea and (Nationalist) China?

30240 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #130 of 473 🔗

https://www.thelocal.se/20200617/has-sweden-passed-its-coronavirus-peak-yet
https://www.thelocal.se/20200310/timeline-how-the-coronavirus-has-developed-in-sweden
There is an anomly in reporting deaths ith certain dates coming with cumulative reporting.
The incresed pos cases are mass testing and mostly asymptomatic cases and young. The deaths declining each day but backlog are older deaths not changing the peak of death ealier in April.ICU down steadily and also hospitalizations.The links above explain i detail

30242 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to swedenborg, 1, #131 of 473 🔗

Thanks, I thought I’d read something about an increase in testing a while back. Those links are really helpful. Glad it’s nothing to worry about!

30319 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to A. Contrarian, #132 of 473 🔗

It’s usually to do with increased testing, or figures being added that were either under reported or reported late. Happens here, which is why we have low numbers at the weekend, then a sudden “spike” Tues/Wed.

30466 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nick Rose, #133 of 473 🔗

I assumed it was partly due to the weekend backlog, it just worried me as it was higher than it has been in a long time even taking weekends into account.

30332 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #134 of 473 🔗

Sweden is fine. ‘They’ are all trying to discredit Sweden because they failed to follow the WHO instructions to lockdown.

30334 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Lucy Q, 2, #136 of 473 🔗

Thanks. All drugs have side effects.

30235 RDawg, 3, #137 of 473 🔗

👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 😂 😂 😂

30236 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #138 of 473 🔗

A very big study from Italy testing close contacts of cases. Amazing how many asymptomatic persons aged less than 60 years 70% !!!
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2006/2006.08471.pdf
Among the selected 4,326 close contacts (i.e.,excluding index cases),2,351 (54%) had been infected(median age: 54; IQR 33-65; 55.7% females). Of these, 1,675 infections (71%) were identified by the serological assay, and 676 (28%) by the RT-PCR.
“69.1% of all infected individuals aged less than 60 years did not develop symptoms (95% confidence interval: 66.7-71.4%).The risk of symptoms increased with age.6.9% of infected subjects older than 60 years had critical disease, with males at significantly higher risk.”

30257 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to swedenborg, 4, #139 of 473 🔗

I believe this but would point out this is now at variance with the WHO’s “revised” opinion on asymptomatic cases. They used to say 25% across the whole population but then revised that way down…

I think the huge number of asymptomatic cases explains why there is a sudden fall in the rate of infection. I very much doubt we have to be so hysterical about “second spikes”. They are likely to remain very limited I think.

Of course a lot of people fight off the virus with first line defences – in the nose and in the throat and so probably wouldn’t even feature as asymptomatic.

30335 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to swedenborg, 2, #140 of 473 🔗

They should stop testing – it serves no purpose

30239 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #141 of 473 🔗

Our political parties have clearly failed us. They are stuffed with people who have no concern for the greater good, but only see as far as the trough.
First-past-the-post always means that new political parties have a mountain to climb for any representation. But this situation has shown that it is now no longer valid to vote Conservative to avoid the greater danger of Labour.
So what should we do on the longer-term? Take action and create a new party, or follow an existing smaller party? Personally I find that the policies of the SDP closely match my own ideals – mainly policies of community responsibility. I have always felt that concepts of left and right are massively over-simplistic and the SDP seem to mirror that. I don’t agree with all SDP policies, but I can compromise on the differences.
Keen to hear what other free-thinkers here think about the longer-term way forward, and what they think of the SDP.

30251 ▶▶ Stephen McMurray, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #142 of 473 🔗

They abhor democracy. They wanted a second referendum after the biggest vote in British history resulted in a vote for Brexit. So why would you trust anything they say when they said, like every other party, they would accept the outcome of the Brexit vote. Clearly they despise the common man and woman and only want democracy when it is convenient for them.

Come the next election I am quite sure, they, Labour and all the non-entity parties will probably ask for the result to be made null and void if the Tories get in on the grounds of meddling by some foreign power or because the voters are clearly racist because if you vote Tory you must be and racist’s votes shouldn’t count. They will probably do research to find out what age demographic votes for them and try to bring in a law that prohibits anyone outside that bracket to vote. Maybe they can get the age one is allowed to vote reduced to 5 and then the SDP supporters can vote themselves and on their children’s behalf as well. That may raise their votes a bit. Obviously if the 5 year olds vote themselves they would rather vote for fireman Sam than the SDP. He would obviously do a better job.

30255 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Stephen McMurray, #143 of 473 🔗

“They wanted a second referendum” Are you confusing the SDP with Lib Dems?

30389 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to OKUK, #144 of 473 🔗

Yes indeed, I think the original post was referring to Social Democratic Party (UK, 1990–present)
Policies here:
https://sdp.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/SDP-Policy-2019.pdf

They are sort of “Blue Labour”. Socially conservative, nationalistic, favouring some nationalisation and a welfare state but a mixed economy.

It’s worth a read. They are a bit too pro-state intervention to be wholly to my liking, but seem pretty sound on immigration, the importance of the nation state, the family and our culture, and also on avoiding stupid foreign wars, and the need for a constitution to protect/restore freedoms.

A couple of big negatives for me are their support for PR and that they’ve not said much that I can see about the virus response being a mistake. And I tend to agree with Biker that more emphasis should be placed on the individual.

But they couldn’t be any worse than the choices we have now.

30253 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #145 of 473 🔗

Yes, the SDP would probably reflect by own approach being left of centre, in accepting a reasonably strong role for the state in creating a good society, but understanding the importance of free speech in a democracy. However, they are miniscule.

You’re right that FPTP is a barrier to progress but it is not an insuperable one. A party that could gather 35% of the vote and concentrate the vote in certain parts of the country could actually win a majority, whereas in many European countries we see grand coalitions of traditional enemies being erected to stop populist parties getting into government.

The Conservatives appear to have completely lost their way, so the opportunity is there for a new populist party to come to prominence. I am not sure Farage’s Brexit (non) Party is the vehicle. It might be a case of cometh the hour, cometh the man or woman.

As a first step though we need a genuine alternative to the PC media. I’d love to see Toby Young crowd-fund a new radio/TV station. I am confident that crowd-funding would raise an initial £1million to get this going.

If people could “feel” a different sort of media – one based on principles of sanity, continuity, love of country and our culture, one that was not ashamed to celebrate our huge achievements in ending slavery, promoting democracy, producing sublime music, world-famous literature, giving birth to the greatest dramatist that ever walked the Earth, creatin comedians who have delighted the world, and having raised scientists and innovators who have changed lives all around the world – then I think the political climate would begin to change.


30284 ▶▶ Biker, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #146 of 473 🔗

when you do away with the first past the post system we end up with the lunatics of some fringe party like the Greens holding the balance of power when virtually no one voted for them. FPTP is the only way to hold an election. The SDP were useless. There is only one way to organise society and it’s free trade every man for themselves otherwise we end up like now with the lunatics locking us in our houses to try and “protect” everyone. When you try that you end up protecting no one. It may seem harsh to those who rely on the government for everything but the reality is the government is the problem, the people who want a government are the problem and we will never be free people while we have a government that regulates, imposes and dictators every single aspect of life. Christ these people have made so many laws and regulations no one knows them all. Who knows now what we’re “allowed” to do under lockdown? Some muppet from the Government gets up every day and mumbles some shit, the media ask them if it will affect blecks more and we all have to stay in while the Gestapo patrol the streets arresting people because they didn’t watch the 5 o clock new laws you must follow show.

30331 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Biker, #147 of 473 🔗

The government has been the problem for a long time. Closely followed by the public sector.

30369 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Biker, #148 of 473 🔗

Biker, when this is all over I’d like to have a beer or six with you. If you’re ever near the People’s Republic of Brighton and Hove holler up

30376 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Chris John, #149 of 473 🔗

If you bring Chris Eubank with you. That dude is a hero of mine

30825 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Biker, #150 of 473 🔗

I’m up for this too. 12 miles from Brighton, also a big Eubank fan.

30329 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #151 of 473 🔗

Choices. Myself, I prefer any party over those currently represented at Westminster. All parties at Westminster are complicit – either by voting for or demanding that the government enact the lockdown – in the human rights atrocity being visited upon the people of the UK. The SDP is not represented at Westminster, not the one you’re referring to anyway.

30340 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to TheBluePill, #152 of 473 🔗

Agree, we want a new political party that look after our freedom and liberties

30667 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to TheBluePill, #153 of 473 🔗

I’ve written to Nigel Farage about forming a new party

30246 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 13, #154 of 473 🔗

The cultural revolution is genuinely alarming, indeed. But this is what you get when mainstream politicians abandon free speech principles, tolerate electoral malpractice (including attacks on candidates) and change the normal rules of democratic debate.

All we hear is childish equality of outcome demands, the equivalent of “It’s not fair, Mummy!”
Rather than reply “Life’s not fair, darling.” our politicians attempt to mollify the child.

There is nothing in law stopping anyone in the UK from working hard, to gain academic qualifications and pursue a rewarding career. We see many recent migrant communities, includes people of colour, doing exceptionally well in this country in law, business, education, medicine, science, media and so on. Most organisations, rightly or wrongly, deliberately seek to achieve ethnic and gender balance in their staff and their leadership. It’s obvious that where communities are not doing well, there are deep causal factors. Sadly, no one wants to discuss those, prefer to signal their virtue and promote conspiracy theories, while simultaneously taking an axe to our culture and our history. The Conservative Party seems incapable of conserving anything apart from itself.


30262 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to OKUK, 7, #155 of 473 🔗

There is nothing in law stopping anyone in the UK from working hard, to gain academic qualifications and pursue a rewarding career

Sadly there is now.

30263 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Saved To Death, #156 of 473 🔗

Yes, good point STD (sorry for the acronym)!

30441 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to OKUK, 4, #157 of 473 🔗

Absolutely correct , my Mrs is the daughter of immigrants who were largely dirt poor for most of her childhood but through her Talent , intelligence and sheer hard graft she is now a director of a major city finance firm ( Quite what she is doing with some two bob sparky from Essex is beyond me ) . There was no prejudice holding her back and neither was she given a leg up , everything she has achieved has been through her own hard work .
Those opportunities are there for everyone if you have the brains and will to work hard , as it should be in a true meritocracy but all we here is the constant whining about how awful we are and our terrible history of oppressing others.
Despite not seeing herself as truly English she loves this country with all her heart for the opportunities it gave to her and her family and cannot stand to see what is happening to England right now with the constant anti White and anti English rhetoric in the media.
This whole BLM horseshit is a diversionary tactic to steer people away from the fact that the corona HOAX narrative is falling apart.
This is clearly designed to provoke a reaction out of the indigenous peoples of this island and its getting pretty hard not to bite.

30266 Mark, replying to Mark, 5, #158 of 473 🔗

Flushing the loo can propel the virus 3ft into the air according to Chinese scientists. So if you’re worried about catching Covid, and you’re in a public lavatory that someone has left in an ugly condition, make sure you close the lid before flushing.
Actually, hang on. Maybe you should do it after you’ve done a number two yourself. Why hasn’t anyone told me about this before? Have I been breathing in tiny fragments of my own poo for 56 years?

I suppose that could be a problem for people under about 4′ tall who don’t bother to close the lid. I’ve never been particular obsessive about closing the lid, though I think I usually do, but what I am pretty certain of is that my head has never been within 3 feet of the water in the bowl when flushing….

30333 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mark, 1, #159 of 473 🔗

I thought they used squat toilets in China.

30556 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mark, 1, #160 of 473 🔗

Just stop a minute while I contemplate the idea of Mark Drakeford’s head being within three feet if the water while flushing…

30267 Allen, 3, #161 of 473 🔗

Would like to see a country by country breakdown of how many “covid deaths” were those who were from nursing homes/care centers- should be easy for each country to tabulate these figures. Anyone know of such records?

30270 Mark, replying to Mark, 5, #162 of 473 🔗

Interestingly, people who identify as being on the left have less trust in the media than people on the right. Splitting the UK sample of more than 2,000 adults by political leaning, only 15% of those on the left agreed with the statement: “I think you can trust most news most of the time,” compared with 36% for the right. Odd, considering the left-wing bias of the BBC .”

This is something I was thinking about a few days ago, and I was assuming that cynicism about the honesty of the mainstream media is greater on the left than on the right despite the very evident left-wing bias of said media, which is something that is very obvious without needing to see a formal survey result for it. My presumption is that it is basically to do with the default position of respect for authority being higher among people who are on the right, and with the political left having formed traditions of being “rebellious” from their predominantly C19th and early C20th rise to power. They have not fully adjusted to their almost complete political triumph and still have some attitudes left over from when they were dissenters rather than what they are now – themselves being the overbearing establishment seeking to control dissent from their established orthodoxies, that prevail almost totally, throughout the social, cultural and political high ground.

For those who doubt the left’s almost total victory, consider the main political objectives on the left of western politics a century and a bit ago, and then notice that almost every one of them is not only achieved by now, but constitutes established orthodoxy from which it is personally costly to meaningfully dissent. Women’s lib, unionisation, universal suffrage, state welfarism including in education and healthcare. Even more fringe ideals of the ideological left such as internationalism, the defeat of Christianity and “bourgeois” institutions such as marriage and the family, the normalisation of homosexuality and sexual promiscuity, all are far advanced and generally uncontroversial amongst societal elites. In a couple of cases progressive causes such as eugenics became unfashionable due to intervening events, and in others such as direct state control of productive industry the left’s goal was basically tried and failed too obviously to continue with and so has been dropped. And along the way they’ve opportunistically picked up a few new dogmas like antiracism, mostly in order to achieve political goals that are enabled by demonising related defensive attitudes. But broadly a leftist of the late C19th would listen to a list of what today’s western societies have introduced and pretty much check off almost all of his political objectives one by one.

The right needs to adjust to its position as dissenting out groups, before it can begin to fight back rather than to manage retreat, as it has been doing for several generations now.

30273 ▶▶ BobT, replying to Mark, 1, #163 of 473 🔗

Mark, It seems that you are thinking your way out of your right wing box. This is very good because imprisoning ourselves in a right or left wing box is, actually, imprisonment.

30427 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to BobT, #164 of 473 🔗

There might be people who are boxed in by a political definition, but personally I’ve never been one. I form my opinions based upon my assessment of issues and context. Nevertheless, it is clear that on my assessment of issues I usually find myself in sympathy with the position held by the political right – loyalty to nation rather than internationalism, individualism (or family loyalty) rather than collectivism, small government rather than big government, social conservatism rather than political correctness.

That I think is probably because I am instinctively a moderate, but I live in a society that has moved very sharply to the left over my lifetime, leaving me very clearly on one side of the political divide. As I’ve suggested before, I am a moderate living in an extreme society, a description that also applies to all lockdown sceptics, on that particular issue.

I see left/right as a clearly useful descriptive term for broad similarities in attitude across a swathe of issues. Broad similarities, not identities, nor uniform. Such similarities are the underlying basis of our party political system, and are clearly very real, albeit also very problematic in some areas.

30280 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Mark, 4, #165 of 473 🔗

People fall into the confirmation bias trap regularly when it comes to the media.

For example, in Scotland Sturgeon is never pressed on anything she says, ever, by the media. However, on Twitter her rabid supporters pick up on anything other than pure media genuflection as “anti-SNP bias”.

30288 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 2, #166 of 473 🔗

Yes, I agree – people who take those positions often don’t seem to realise or concede that they have “won” and are always ready to quote instances or areas where their aims are thwarted or their views are challenged as evidence that they are being “kept down” in some way by the “establishment”.

Maybe it feels better to think you’re a rebel. Maybe they think things have not gone far enough (certainly some do). Maybe some believe in true communism, though I struggle to take the ones I know too seriously on that as they are usually comfortably off and send their children to private schools.

As for what the “right” should do (and really I would say it’s what “moderates” should do), we could start off by being much less complacent that things will turn out all right in the end.

30339 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mark, #167 of 473 🔗

Women’s lib as we understand it is a much more recent addition to the Left’s demands. “Suffrage for All” (meaning all adults) was certainly a demand of the Left 150 years ago, but not quite the same thing as women’s lib.

30455 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nick Rose, #168 of 473 🔗

Both female suffrage and general sex “equality” was always a feature of the ideological/radical left, and you will see it in the writings of most of the major C19th political figures of the left. What you are drawing attention to is the fact that the left that triumphed politically in the early-mid-C20th was basically an alliance between the ideological left and the working class trade unionist movement. The latter’s base was never much interested in the ideological issues of the left (in fact was notoriously conservative on many issues), but sought direct and real improvements to the situation of working men and their families.

This alliance lasted until the late C20th when the ideological left reached a position where the enthusiastic support of trade union members was no longer needed and in fact was more of a hindrance to their goals. Nowadays it is less an alliance than a more or less openly parasitic relationship whereby the trade unions provide finance for the ideological left, and sinecures for its members to rest in while pursuing their own personal and political goals rather than anything that really relates to the members’ desires or needs.

30442 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mark, #169 of 473 🔗

I know there are going to be shouts of conspiracy theory, nutter, fake etc but have a read of “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” and see how it matches your views in your 3rd paragraph.

You can believe it’s fake, it’s a set-up and so on – I’m on the fence as I’ve not seen enough evidence either way to say it is real or a fake but it is uncannily accurate in it’s “predictions” and scenarios:

https://archive.org/stream/TheProtocolsOfTheLearnedEldersOfZion/ProtocolsOfTheEldersOfZion_djvu.txt

and the Georgia Guidestones:

https://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/sinister-sites-the-georgia-guidestones/

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely – improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion – faith – tradition – and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth – beauty – love – seeking harmony with the infinite.
10. Be not a cancer on the earth – Leave room for nature – Leave room for nature.

Or I have no idea where this website gets it’s population predictions from but they have not really changed in years so what do they know? UK population to reduce to 15 million in 2025:

http://www.deagel.com/country/United-Kingdom_c0209.aspx

Some really interesting forecast as well s you root through the countries.

30271 BobT, replying to BobT, 22, #170 of 473 🔗

Greetings from the Third World.

We did suffer a few weeks of our Government following the First World into shutdown but now it is all over!
Most importantly, the pubs have been open for the past couple of weeks and I have to report from my ‘backward’ country that its all back to normal.
No spots on floors, no Karens, no masks, no perspex, no gels, no intimidating signs. I did see one in a bar / restaurant which said ‘Masks should be worn at all times except when you are eating, drinking or talking.’
The girls are pretty and I can hug or kiss them without fear of instant death. Loads of people crammed together with less than 5mm social distancing. There is live music and the place is full of despicable people having fun. How dare they? Do they not realise that fun has been banned and is now illegal in the rest of the world.
As before, I can smoke a cigarette in the bar, hell, I can even smoke a joint if I want.
No drink driving laws here, so I can even drive to and from the pub.
Ahh…..civilization.

Ever such a slight problem though….our businesses rely on tourists and none are coming because the First World have taken away their citizens rights to travel freely and have a good time.

Ah well, I am going to thoroughly enjoy my pub………until the money runs out.

30272 ▶▶ aes, replying to BobT, 6, #171 of 473 🔗

Smoke in the bar – where is this? I’m coming there!

30290 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to BobT, 3, #172 of 473 🔗

I’m moving, sounds like normal. Save me a seat, a bed and a drink.

30451 ▶▶ anon, replying to BobT, 1, #173 of 473 🔗

Which country are you in?

30454 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to anon, 1, #174 of 473 🔗

An island in the Caribbean I think, not sure which one

30274 CarrieAH, 8, #175 of 473 🔗

That is fabulous – her best column yet on this ridiculous situation. Shows how farcical things become when you allow your country to be run by mad scientists. And Dominic Cummings.

30277 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #176 of 473 🔗

Coronavirus: Social media ‘spreading virus conspiracy theories’
Unregulated social media platforms like Facebook and YouTube may present a health risk to the UK because they are spreading conspiracy theories about coronavirus.

That’s the conclusion of a peer-reviewed study published in the journal Psychological Medicine, which finds people who get their news from social media sources are more likely to break lockdown rules.

The research team from Kings College London suggests social media news sites may need to do more to regulate misleading content.

“One wonders how long this state of affairs can be allowed to persist while social media platforms continue to provide a worldwide distribution mechanism for medical misinformation,” the report concludes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53085640

That final paragraph doesn’t look very “scientific” to me. Just like Neil Ferguson and ICL, these “academics” are openly attempting to influence policy decisions. In this case they wish to close down free speech. (Unless the conspiracy theory is that people with one skin colour are being conspired against by people with a different skin colour. If you believe that, then you’re more than welcome to ‘break lockdown’).

30285 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Barney McGrew, 10, #177 of 473 🔗

i for one look forward to having the the journal of Psychological Medicine reading and watching everything for me just to make sure i get the right facts and how i know how to feel about things. These people have lost the plot and are the Technological Fascist elite

30341 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #178 of 473 🔗

The Nazis continually reinvent themselves don’t they? Must be something very wrong with human nature.

30278 annie, replying to annie, 3, #179 of 473 🔗

I gather from Twitter that the govt asked a PEST CONTROL firm to produce face masks. Seems likely. If likely, shows what British citizens have now become: pests, to be controlled.

Anybody able to authenticate the story?

30279 Barney McGrew, 8, #182 of 473 🔗

From the round-up:

‘De Blasio Tells Covid Contract Tracers Not to Ask Positive Cases If They’ve Attended BLM Protests‘ – One from the “you couldn’t make it up” department

And in one fell swoop, any claim that the BLM “protests” don’t have any place in this discussion are rendered moot.

30282 WillemKoppenhol, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 6, #183 of 473 🔗

A technical suggestion with regards to the functioning of this website: how about not only creating one long page per day, but individual pages for individual points made? That way people can react to specific stories instead of having one enourmously long list underneath one page ever day.

Technically this can be done with WordPress (the system behind this website) quite easily, but it would help reading the comments because they are more closely connected to what the comments are about.

30417 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to WillemKoppenhol, #184 of 473 🔗

Yes, please, if possible!

30283 Albie, replying to Albie, 20, #185 of 473 🔗

There are currently big radio campaigns highlighting issues such as poor mental health and poverty brought about by the lockdown. We did try to tell them (as in the public) this well over two months ago, we pointed out the incredible damage a lockdown would do in so many ways but did they listen?! If anyone uttered or typed a sentence that wasn’t enthusiastically pro-lockdown it would be strongly insinuated they wanted people to die of coronavirus. There was absolute tunnel vision by the majority, blind to any other repercussions. The irony is that our stance was the one that minimised misery and death.

30286 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Albie, 12, #186 of 473 🔗

Appalling narrow mindedness from the vast majority and you are right, most of us have faced ridicule and insinuations that we are mortally bankrupt. An acceptance somewhere along the line that we might have been right would be nice but I can see the tide slowly turning so that everyone gets to save face. Toby deserves a lot of credit in all of this, as do Peter Hitchens and the very few who stood up against the horrible COVID hegemony. STILL – I work with professionals in health and social care who think if only the lockdown was one week earlier, everything would’ve been alright. There is still work to do

30553 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #187 of 473 🔗

Well, if they’d locked down a week earlier it would have coincided with the genuine bug-peak, and they would of course have given the credit to their universal jail scheme. So I’m thundering glad they didn’t, for that reason among others..

30343 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Albie, 3, #188 of 473 🔗

I know. Felt the love back in March with my disbelief in the BS we were being fed concerning coronavirus.

30344 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Albie, 4, #189 of 473 🔗

Prior to lockdown mental health NHS treatment/care was very weak / basically non-existent. There is no way that the NHS can cope with the huge numbers now. If your mental health has taken a tumble due to lockdown your are on your own!

30287 mjr, replying to mjr, 7, #190 of 473 🔗

so this morning, BBC tv a piece on hairdressers and when they might open. treated it as a bit of joke showing home done haircuts and flippant interviews. then a serious talking head about how many will go out of business. BBC final comments was about opening “when the danger from covid has gone”. What tosh. if there is a danger now (which we all believe there is not) then it will never go as the virus . Just seen them interview Rabb who also discussed this and said he needed a haircut … .

also slightly off topic but consistent with BBC. Re Rhodes must fall and the removal of his statue, They interviewed a labour councillor (of pakistani/muslim background) from Oxford, and that historian David Olusoga (who incidentally is mixed – white mother – but is vehemently black and has the silly attempt at dreadlocks to emphasise this). So where is the balance and impartiality. Shouldnt the BBC have an opposing view? And shouldnt the two BBC sychophantic cardboard puppets actually ask a challenging question or two.

but then that is the BBC.. I was listening to world service at 5 am – i wake early . programme called Newsday . Item 1 John Boltons new book criticising Trump. Item 2 – long interview with an NAACP person from Atlanta about the killing of Rayshard Brooks (drunk black man resisting arrest) last week (apparently no racial motive but treated as a BLM issue). Again no critical questioning .

And football .. at the games last night . the footballerw all stood for the NHS and then they all kneeled for BLM. Games were watched live in 170 countries.. What must they think of us!

30289 ▶▶ Biker, replying to mjr, 12, #191 of 473 🔗

No they footballers didn’t kneel? fuck sake. I guess footballs out the window now. What a bunch of utter wankers

30291 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Biker, 3, #192 of 473 🔗

and on their shirts, Black Lives Matter was written instead of their names, . and as you havent watched it , the kneel was choreographed . .all nicely positioned around the centre circle (2 metre intervals!!)

30373 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to mjr, 5, #193 of 473 🔗

i don’t want to see that with my own eyes. I’ve been going to the football since the 70’s and i’m afraid it’s all over for the big game. Real football lives in the lower leagues. For the last 20 years it’s become a nonsense. You’ve got players kneeling while their teams are owned by despotic villains from countries where they execute gays and abuse woman.
We really are living in the Twilight Zone.

30443 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Biker, #194 of 473 🔗

too right. the middle east owners have such an enlightened view on racial harmony!!!! i couldnt be bothered watching the games. EFL is the place to be …

30478 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to mjr, #195 of 473 🔗

my team plays in the Scottish Championship and the games are old school up and at ’em, even the scottish premier is good to watch. You can keep your EPL and Champions league, it’s boring.

30500 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Biker, #196 of 473 🔗

boring and so predictable. EPL top 6 and champions league semi finalists always the same.

30360 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Biker, 5, #197 of 473 🔗

I love sport but am watching less and less as they are all getting so bloody sanctimonious.

30295 ▶▶ matt, replying to mjr, 19, #198 of 473 🔗

I don’t know if you caught their interview with a GP? It’s been a regular 6:30 slot for months now. Today they had one of their less stupid, less bed wetting GPS on. Nonetheless, the talk about reducing the 2m rule was all basically accepting that it would mean compulsory face masks. No questioning the value of face masks. No discussion of the fact that – just a couple of weeks ago – the whole message was “they don’t make any difference anyway”. Nobody making any kind of point about the negative health effects of a mask.

I think we can see where the whole face mask issue is going and it really concerns me. I _will not_ wear a mask, but it’s beginning to look like that will mean that I’m locked into my house more surely than I was in the height of the lockdown.

30326 ▶▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to matt, 10, #199 of 473 🔗

I won’t ever be wearing a face mask either. I have a headband/bandana which is loose at the bottom, to use as a face covering on planes (I fly a lot normally and I accept that unless I do, I won’t be allowed on a plane). At least I should be able to breathe better with that than a face mask, as my breath will simply go downwards and I won’t be breathing in my own carbon dioxide. But in ordinary out-and-about life in Britain, I absolutely refuse to wear one. Looks like I will be sticking to online shopping then.

30424 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to matt, 3, #200 of 473 🔗

I am in the same boat. We refuse to wear a muzzle. As we live in a village and don’t run a car, anywhere we want to go will be on foot or by bicycle. We are both technically exempt but we don’t want to share PT with the Muzzled Ones and any way we’re ‘okkerd’.

We stand to be helluva fit 67 and 71 year olds. 🙂 If this muzzle hell is brought in all our shopping will have to be delivered.

30297 ▶▶ Julian, replying to mjr, 10, #201 of 473 🔗

BBC news has for some years been in full-on SJW mode. It’s not really a question of bias any more, it has just become a campaigning organisation for certain political and social positions, funded by the taxpayer.

30393 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Julian, 3, #202 of 473 🔗

Not just BBC news of course – BBC drama, BBC comedy, BBC sport, BBC local radio, BBC lifestyle programmes, BBC nature programmes, BBC specialist radio stations. I heard a presenter on Springwatch allude to the murder of George Floyd. Not sure what it had to do with Spring in the UK…but that’s the PCBBC for you.

30415 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to OKUK, #203 of 473 🔗

Very good point. The other stuff is easier to avoid (for me) but probably equally if not more damaging.

30698 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, #204 of 473 🔗

Every employee of the bbc, since it’s inception, has been vetted by MI5.

30337 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to mjr, 2, #205 of 473 🔗

With regard to the Rhodes statue that is being removed, an article stated it was in response to a petition. There are counter petitions but these just get ignored?

30292 Nick Rose, 5, #206 of 473 🔗

Notice this man is still kowtowing to the lockdown lie, I mean line. Sorry, typo.

30293 WillemKoppenhol, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 12, #207 of 473 🔗

Headline in the Dutch newspaper NRC: “ Weer besmetting in ‘coronavrij’ Nieuw-Zeeland “, or “Another infection in ‘corona-free’ New Zealand”. I have translated the rest of the article. Please read it, I had to read it several times myself to believe this was actually even mentioned at all in a Dutch newspaper:

Another infection in ‘corona-free’ New Zealand

In New Zealand, which declared itself virus-free last week, a third person tested positive for Covid-19. It concerns a man between sixty and seventy years old from Pakistan, who flew to New Zealand via Qatar and Australia. The New Zealand Herald reported this on Thursday.

The man flew from Pakistan to Doha, the capital of Qatar, and on June 11 to Melbourne, Australia. From there he arrived in New Zealand on June 13 and was tested for corona on June 16 after he had symptoms.

During the trip the man was wearing a mask. He was accompanied by someone else with whom he had close contact. The two are both in quarantine. The New Zealand Ministry is now tracking the rest of the plane’s passengers.

After New Zealand declared itself corona-free, the virus was again detected in two women earlier this week. They had returned from the United Kingdom.


Can you image reading in those less enlightened times of oh say 2010 about one person flying from maybe Uganda to perhaps Kamchatka, making a few stop overs in Cyprus and Mongolia, and then arriving with the flu and everybody in the whole of Russia would panic…? Can anyone explain why on earth a Dutch newspaper would even consider writing about this?

Why is this even being picked up by a “quality” newspaper on (literally!) the other side of the world? I mean, there are things I can explain and there are things I can’t explain and then there are things which are so idiotic I couldn’t make them up myself and then there is this article. Can anyone explain this to me? Anyone? Please?

(No points for answering “leave a comment underneath that article” because you conveniently can’t leave comments there and also no points for saying “email them and ask them” because they won’t answer because they are apparently “too busy”. Yeah, too busy creating stories about the remotest possibilities on earth…)

30345 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to WillemKoppenhol, #208 of 473 🔗

Not sure New Zealand has got any “quality” newspapers. Quite a bit like here.

30355 ▶▶ Marcus, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 2, #209 of 473 🔗

Because a complete failure – and unwillingness – to retain perspective means that coronavirus has been – and still is being – reported as a “deadly global pandemic”

30298 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 7, #210 of 473 🔗

Any news on how Boris went on last night with the 1922 committee? I do hope they gave him a hard time.

Glad to see that my MP is giving the teaching unions what for. I have written to him several times during the last four months and last week it was to ask him why my grandchildren could now visit Chester Zoo, Legoland (and I could have added Primark from this week) but were unable to go to school.


30305 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Margaret, 1, #211 of 473 🔗

You have to be careful. Their reaction to your point about Legoland and Primark would probably be to close down Legoland and Primark rather than hasten the opening of schools.

30307 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Margaret, 3, #212 of 473 🔗

I doubt they’ll have given him a hard time. I’ve just written to Sir Brady again asking the 1922 Committee to ask the real questions that no-one will ask.

30322 ▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Margaret, 3, #213 of 473 🔗

From today’s Telegraph:

Pull down the ‘iron curtain’ at No10, MPs urge Prime Minister
Officers of the powerful 1922 Tory backbench committee on Wednesday told the Prime Minister he must listen to feedback from experienced MPs

Boris Johnson has been urged by senior Tories to tear down the “iron curtain” encircling Downing Street after complaining that he has stopped listening to his own backbenchers.

Officers of the powerful 1922 Tory backbench committee on Wednesday told the Prime Minister he must embrace feedback from experienced MPs, following criticism that he has become overly reliant on a small circle of advisers led by Dominic Cummings.

They believe a failure to engage with backbenchers has resulted in a series of policy errors that have forced him into embarrassing about-turns, most recently over free school meals.

It is understood that it was the Prime Minister who raised the importance of the links between Number 10 and backbenchers going forward.

It came as a Tory MP quit his Government role days after criticising Downing Street for failing to take a stronger stance in defence of British values following the desecration of public memorials.

In his first meeting with the executive of the 1922 committee this year, Mr Johnson was told there was widespread frustration among MPs over his failure to heed their concerns on key issues.

They include the decision to impose a 14-day travel quarantine, widely opposed by MPs and business leaders, and the failure to relax the two metre rule.

Senior Conservatives believe the fact that Mr Johnson only became aware of England footballer Marcus Rashford’s widely publicised campaign on school meals hours before he decided to extend the scheme highlighted a lack of political awareness in Number 10.

In recent weeks, he has also been forced to change course on an NHS surcharge for migrant healthcare workers, as well as extending a scheme of indefinite leave to remain to families of frontline staff who die from Covid-19, described by one former minister as “unforced errors”.

Separately, MPs elected last year, including those in the “red wall” of former Labour seats, say they feel increasingly cut off from the Prime Minister and treated like they are “cannon fodder”.

One MP said that new colleagues were left infuriated after they were forced to defend the Government’s initial decision not to extend the free school meals scheme earlier this week, only for Mr Johnson to change course days later.

“Boris really needs to get the message that his liaison with parliamentary colleagues needs to get better and better quickly,” said another. “There seems to be an iron curtain around Downing Street.”

They also claimed that a creeping culture inside Number 10 of “keep your head down rather than speaking up” was contributing to bad decision making and risked leaving Mr Johnson unaware of potential pitfalls.

Referring to the widespread backlash last month over Mr Cummings’ trip to Durham during lockdown, a third added: “It all started back with the Cummings thing. They left the new intake to fend for themselves in a very difficult situation. We didn’t even have the facts to begin with, let alone to defend it.

“This U-turn yesterday was another chink in the armour for those new MPs who have majorities of just a few hundred votes.”

Speaking to The Telegraph after meeting Mr Johnson, a 1922 executive member said: “When they [newly elected MPs] are left hanging out to dry…people like myself and others are keen for that not to happen again.

“That requires the Number 10 machine to have two-way flow of information. There is a concern that the backbench MPs need to have a bit more love and attention.

“If you believe the Government’s position is saying one thing and then secretly they are likely to do another, you can’t have the foot soldiers sacrificing their political credibility. I think it’s fair to say that the Prime Minister recognises this.”

On the two-metre rule, Mr Johnson is also said to have been pressed on the need to slash the distance in half in order to aid the economy recovery.

However, figures in 1922 believe Mr Johnson remains torn between his personal instincts to cut it and the advice of his scientific advisers, who continue to maintain that it is too early to move.

Ben Bradley, the Tory MP for Mansfield, on Wednesday quit as a Parliamentary Private Secretary to the Department for Housing, Communities and Local Government.

Last weekend, in the wake of attacks on public monuments including the Cenotaph and the statue of Churchill in Parliament Square, he wrote in The Sunday Telegraph that voters expect a Conservative Government to be a “staunch defender” of culture and heritage “otherwise it is not a Conservative Government at all”.

Whilst Mr Bradley has insisted he made the decision to spend more time with his children, a colleague told The Telegraph: “There is a view across the country we’ve been weak in dealing with this issue with the Cenotaph and Winston Churchill’s statue.

“These are the kind of things that are making life difficult.”

30347 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to CarrieAH, 5, #214 of 473 🔗

Difficult for back benchers to moan that much now, after meekly conceding all the power to ministers and No. 10.

30409 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to CarrieAH, 2, #215 of 473 🔗

Perhaps all those unhappy MPs should resign from their party and sit as Independents.
Somehow methinks their noses have acquired the smell of the trough and won’t do much for their constituents until the next general election.

30474 ▶▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to CarrieAH, 2, #216 of 473 🔗

This all smells – why isn’t the PM aware of these things – the ‘Christ!’ comment re the hospitality and catering redundancy numbers – the lack of knowledge of the school meal voucher campaign – what on earth is he doing? Is he being ‘shielded’ from he rest of the world – who is meant to be briefing him because they are not doing a great job?

30330 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #217 of 473 🔗

Wonder if this comment will get past the Daily Mail unmoderated comments censors:


“Tell Boris to get out of his “bubble” of experts and advisors and actually listen to the normal people. Tell him to read some of the questions sent in to him and the MPs (who very rarely ever deem to answer), read the messages via the contact No10 webpage and look at the questions sent in via the gov.uk/ask webpage. Read the independent research that is daily being published own independent media (unlike the mSM) that contradicts everything his “experts” are telling him. And most importantly – stop treating us with contempt as if we do not matter and reign in the power mad councils. Let the unions destroy themselves, country is screwed now for a while, a few major strikes won’t make that much difference. He is acting like a schooled trying to run with the big boys (in his case Bill Gates et al)with a bit of a reputation and they using him for all they are worth and setting him up for a fall.”

30354 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #218 of 473 🔗

Well said. And nether strikes nor BLM should be the least of his worries, it should be Joe Public who could riot before the end of summer or October.

30346 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 16, #219 of 473 🔗

Just been in the local bakers. Two rufty-tufty-looking builder types in there and then, another pitches up (completely ignoring the two customer rule – naughty). He says to the other guy in there “I would shake your hand but …” I was so tempted to say “oh, please do just shake his hand” but thought better of it!

What I don’t understand is a) he is a builder so he probably faces a bit of risk (indeed he was talking to the other guy about building an extension for him, surely an occupation not without its risks) b) he completely ignored the sign on the door about having only two customers in at a time c) he was actually returning to the shop because they hadn’t got his sausage butty just to his very exacting instructions and d) he was quite happy to take the risk of the girl behind the counter handling his food without gloves. But … he wouldn’t shake his mate’s hand. Bonkers.

NB. This is a shop I will return to – lovely, helpful and cheerful young woman behind the counter who didn’t treat me like diseased scum.

30663 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to kh1485, 1, #220 of 473 🔗

I would have suggested he shake it

30348 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #221 of 473 🔗

UK public health bodies reviewing vitamin D’s effects on coronavirus https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/17/uk-ministers-order-urgent-vitamin-d-coronavirus-review

“A delayed Public Health England review into the reasons why BAME people are disproportionately affected, which pointed to historical racism , did not review the role of diet and vitamin D.”

What? It is a well known fact that people with darker skin need more exposure to sun to make Vitamin D. So the mainly white PHE group decided that racism is the cause and due to this delay in getting the message out that Vitamin D is required many more BAME health professionals are condemned to death. What a disgrace!! Now it looks as if they are going to do a trail with vitamin D levels/supplementation – this is good. However why are they waiting before telling all BAME that they must take vitamin D supplements in the mean time to protect them? There are tons of research on vitamin D and viral infections.

Sufficient safe sun exposure normally results in the body producing 10,000 IU (250mcg) Vitamin D per day – PHE recommends 25mcg which is only enough to prevent rickets and definitely not enough for good health and fighting viral infections. It is however imperative to expose sufficient skin (face and hands only will not do), to take it with fat (fat soluble) and to have sufficient cholesterol in your body to convert it (Statin users beware). Keep in mind that sun exposure in the UK from October to March will not ‘make’ vitamin D as the sun is too low in the sky. Also people with darker skin needs to spend more time in the sun to produce vitamin D – Therefore more BAME covid deaths?

Always take vitamin D supplements with vitamin K2 and Magnesium and this will reduce the build up of calcium in the blood (when conventional medicine refer to vitamin D toxicity/dangers they refer to Calcium build up in blood). You do not want Calcium in your blood but in the bones and teeth.

It is recommended that we get a baseline of our vitamin D levels (vitamin D test) and this will then guide us on how much to supplement. Keep in mind the UK laboratories ranges are much lower than the 40 – 60 ng/mL (100 – 150 nmol/L); see my comment above. Your doctor will therefore warn you against achieving higher levels and scare you into oblivion.

If you are very deficient you will need to supplement with Vitamin D3 (not synthetic vitamin D2 that is normally prescribed by your doctor). Consider 20,000 IU per day until your levels improve and then you can reduce to around 4,000IU per day (always with vitamin K2, Magnesium).

Unfortunately Vitamin D rich foods are not sufficient to improve very deficient levels up to optimised levels.

All of the LS readers should also supplement with Vitamin D, Vitamin K2 and Magnesium.

Unfortunately the NHS is in cahoots with skin cancer charities to scare us to death about the dangers of sunlight and this results in people never getting any sunlight on their skins (indoors all the time or covered with toxic sunscreen all the time). If we are healthy/healthy nutrient levels then daily SAFE sun expose will not lead to skin cancer. Suggested resources to improve knowledge and know how to improve your levels safely are http://www.mercola.com , https://vitamindwiki.com and many others.

30350 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Victoria, #222 of 473 🔗

Yet Delores Cahill was vilified for mentioning just that:

http://tapnewswire.com/2020/05/scamdemic-debunked/

Just how many faces do these monsters have?

30397 ▶▶ Oldschool, replying to Victoria, #223 of 473 🔗

Victoria
Are you by any chance a sufferer of cluster headaches?
Your vitamin regime sounds very similar to a regime I follow to help with my cluster headaches, I also take Vit D3, Magnesium and K2 but I also take high strength fish oil and a good quality multi-vitamin
I take 5000 UI of Vit D daily now, when I was loading to get my levels up I was taking 20000 UI.
I used to get awful cluster headaches twice a year but since I have been taking Vit D I have not had an attack for 4 years
It is worth noting I have not had a cold or bout of flu since starting taking the vitamins so I think there something in it.

30356 WhatsGoingOn, #224 of 473 🔗

Google “losing” Churchill’s image and shutting down discussion about it:
https://support.google.com/websearch/thread/53297714?hl=en

30357 Biker, replying to Biker, 11, #225 of 473 🔗

are we to be policed as if we lived in the lands of the Inquisition?
Are we ruled over by automatons, who were produced by other automatons, long ago, and now they have forgotten what it is to be human and are engaged into turning us into automatons in turn?
Nobody dares questions if it is fair or not, because we are all becoming automatons here and automatons don’t ask questions. They move as the gears move them.
Maybe they’re not automatons but don’t know what they are doing. The beating our lives are taking like a cane over the bare buttocks of a 70’s child bleed their virtue all over the legs of those of us who want nothing more than individualism.
They are the hangman and are perfect, when they flay a whore, they use perfect whips.
Part of us are dying. No more a convenient station to enjoy the fruits of our own labour but just a projection of a human. A shadow of a life. A life when the lights are on you don’t exist.
But saying all that i’m quite agnostic about the whole thing.

30370 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Biker, 2, #226 of 473 🔗

I am in complete agreement with you Biker.

30358 Andy Riley, replying to Andy Riley, -6, #227 of 473 🔗

There is another explanatory hypothesis to answer: that masks are effective.
I estimate that over 50% of protesters were wearing masks.

30418 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Andy Riley, 8, #228 of 473 🔗

Yes,but we know they’re not..There is not one clinical study out there which provides evidence that masks contain any virus, so even if you are being ironic — and I note you use the word hypothesis – you are still providing some comfort to the zealots who insist on mask wearing despite the science because they want to control you and what you might say or want to say. There’s nothing more powerful as a symbol of oppression than thousands of people being muzzled.. And it’s why I won’t wear one.

30426 ▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Bella, -2, #229 of 473 🔗

Bella,
I have no intention of providing comfort to the zealots nor to be ironic. I wish strengthen HawkAnalyst’s post by suggesting an additional hypothesis that ought to be addressed and refuted.

30491 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #230 of 473 🔗

Point taken.I was responding positively to what you said by endorsing it even as I oppose the (not your) reasoning behind wearing masks.

30361 Bart Simpson, 1, #231 of 473 🔗

Well said. We are still in the theatre of the absurd.

30362 PD, replying to PD, 6, #232 of 473 🔗

Scrolling the Graun’s homepage on my iPhone this morning – Sixteen articles were given priority before their first ‘rona story.

Game is up.

30378 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PD, 2, #233 of 473 🔗

Italy and Spain have disappeared from the news and even that supposed “second wave” in China seems to be nowhere.

30380 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #234 of 473 🔗

Dominic Raab, interviewed on BBC breakfast this morning, defending the quarantine, talked about how other countries “in Europe and in Asia” were seeing a second wave. It was stated as if a matter of fact and (obviously) left unquestioned.

Er…. where?

30438 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to matt, #235 of 473 🔗

Admittedly I was scrolling down the Times and there didn’t seem to be anything there.

I don’t have a telly so have not seen anything Raab has said.

I apologise.

30379 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PD, 2, #236 of 473 🔗

If by “game is up” you mean that it’s old news and we have moved on, that may be the case but it could be good or it could be bad.

I think to properly move on, daily reporting of deaths and all the other nonsense needs to drop out of the news, and we need to accept the virus as a fact of life, for the foreseeable future.

The danger is that this acceptance is accompanied by an acceptance of the “new normal” as a necessity for as long as the virus is with us. I think that’s where we are heading.

30422 ▶▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Julian, #237 of 473 🔗

What bothers me is that councils are widening pavements and putting up what look like fairly permanent signs for the anti social distancing 2m. Now they’re not going to do that if it wasn’t going to be around for long time period.

30467 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to ambwozere, 5, #238 of 473 🔗

One of the unusual features of this coronapanic is that we are not merely wasting money on a huge scale, we are actually spending money on measures that will actively reduce our productivity and quality of life quite significantly. At some point we will have to spend more money to remove all these things, or live with the reduced efficiency, productivity and quality of life, permanently.

30507 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Mark, 2, #239 of 473 🔗

but that is normal for this country. we handicap ourselves industrially by having the most expensive electricity in the west. because we subsidise by £billions the inefficient renewables – and who pays? Same with gas. We have huge supply which we wont touch. again this is the BBC MSM and metropolitan elite that are leading this . this is why we have no industry left. We have made it uneconomical and uncompetitive (whilst the chinese build another couple of 100 coal fired power stations to provide cheap power).
Just wait for the fuel poverty to bite

30526 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to mjr, #240 of 473 🔗

Fair point, well made.

30476 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to ambwozere, 3, #241 of 473 🔗

Many councils waste money so, in itself, this may not be significant. It’s probably jobsworth panic. However, I do think that only lobbying from business + casual ignoring of the bollix by everyone who still has their brain might bring it to an end.

30364 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 23, #242 of 473 🔗

Greetings Fellow Sceptics!

Yesterday had a meeting with my team and to cut the long story short – our putative reopening will resemble what the shops have been doing – queues, hand sanitisers, one way systems, parts of the attraction closed ergo potential visitors won’t get to have the full experience.

There were also lots of talk about bubbles and how our staff places will be severely limited in order to comply with antisocial distancing protocols.

I didn’t ask a question but I made a comment at the end where I pointed out that people were staying away from the shops and I quoted from a comment in a newspaper where the reader said that he didn’t want to be treated like a plague victim due to all the antisocial distancing and petty frogging rules and that’s why he’s boycotting the high street. I then concluded by saying that we will end up like these shops – we will run the risk of alienating visitors and either they will not want to come or never return again.

Sad to say that apart from 1-2 people I don’t think anyone really got what I said.

Jesus wept. I am really despairing of humanity.

30371 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #243 of 473 🔗

Yes – it looks like our world will end with a whimper, not a bang.

30377 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to IanE, 10, #244 of 473 🔗

At the risk of sounding like I want to cut my nose to spite my face, I think people should also boycott museums, heritage sites and visitor attractions like they’re doing with shops. Hopefully that will force the likes of Hartwig Fischer (British Museum), Tristam Hunt (V&A) and the head of Madame Tussauds among others to develop the cojones to lobby the government to put an end to these insane regulations that will hasten our sector’s demise.

30482 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #245 of 473 🔗

I cut up my membership card for the National Trust this morning after reading this….

https://conservativewoman.co.uk/woke-virus-infects-the-national-trust/

30498 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to T. Prince, 2, #246 of 473 🔗

That doesn’t surprise me. At that same meeting a colleague was gushing how she and her husband were chatting to a NT volunteer and how they were happy to see her and husband. I wanted to interrupt her to say you know why that is? Its because they’re losing members and money in droves!

This jumping on the BLM bandwagon will be another nail in their coffin.

30522 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #247 of 473 🔗

My local NT ‘Stately House’ removed a statue of a black prince that has always been there. I can’t help feeling that ‘the mob’ will come for the house next….

30386 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #248 of 473 🔗

They soon will understand when their down the dole office signing on along with the rest of the unessential.

They’re gonna understand good.

30433 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to John Smith, #249 of 473 🔗

Indeed. Plus if their museums and attractions are in danger of closing.

30365 Victoria, #250 of 473 🔗

How a not-so-dangerous virus created a global crisis https://www.anhinternational.org/news/how-a-not-so-dangerous-virus-created-a-global-crisis

“Why our failure to adequately deal with our deteriorating resilience set the world on a crash course.

The majority of people in the world – it would seem – are gagging for a vaccine. A magic bullet – or injection – that we’re told could release us from the social and economic nightmare brought about by our response to a novel coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2. One enacted by governments, mostly with no recourse to public viewpoints or the democratic process. The public’s minds are being conditioned by sophisticated media messaging to expect that the liquid injected into their bloodstream will have the capacity to single-handedly rob the virus of any ability to cause harm to our bodies.

The reality is something different. If one or more of the current vaccine candidates ends up working, something that is as yet an unknown, it will be our immune systems that deliver the real goods – the antibodies that inactivate the virus. Contrary to what the public is often told, uncertainty over both efficacy and safety is high, especially given the most hurried development and evaluation of a vaccine the world has yet known. We’ll apparently get some data on safety from the earliest prototypes that are already in trials later this year, but assuming there’s enough of the virus still knocking about through this coming northern hemisphere winter, some data on the effectiveness against real world infection might be noisily fed into the public domain next year at the earliest. However slim the purported benefit as declared by a Gates Foundation and pharma-funded system that cannot be trusted to deliver transparent science, there will undoubtedly be people lining up regardless of the quality or certainty of the results, such is the power of the propaganda machine.

For a vaccine to ‘work’ – or for us to survive infection in the absence of an effective vaccine with nothing worse than mild disease – depends on how well our immune system functions when challenged by the real virus or a copy of a snippet from its spike protein. That’s a function of our immune system and general resilience. So what is resilience? It’s a term, first developed to describe psychological resilience ; the ability of a person to bounce back from adversity, stress or trauma. It is now also used to look at other aspects of our function, not just our psychological responses. Therefore, we now can think about physiological resilience , and that will include our ability to respond to physical stress, chemical or EMF exposures, or even poor diets, eating patterns and habits. The stressor can take a multitude of different forms and may include our social or familial environments, including our inability to be nurtured by them if we’re isolated, our employment, or lack of it, and our financial status.”


So here’s an important, potentially life-saving message: whatever you do, and whatever the universities and pharmaceutical companies dream up between them, focusing on developing resilience should be somewhere near the top of your list of health priorities for the coming year.

30366 Mike Smith, replying to Mike Smith, 10, #251 of 473 🔗

Coronavirus latest news: Two-metre rule will be scrapped before September Unfortunately they don’t say which year. Hopefully this year, but it’s hard to be confident.

30384 ▶▶ John Smith, replying to Mike Smith, 2, #252 of 473 🔗

It’ll be scrapped long before September.

30519 ▶▶▶ Dinger, replying to John Smith, 1, #253 of 473 🔗

If they’re forecasting minimal infections and deaths in UK by end of June that gives Doris (because Boris has no balls) three months to make a decision

30367 Mike Smith, 3, #254 of 473 🔗

Peter Hitchens video:
We are fascists, we don’t care
We spread hatred everywhere

30368 Victoria, 3, #255 of 473 🔗

Summary of article ‘awaiting approval’

How a not-so-dangerous virus created a global crisis https://www.anhinternational.org/news/how-a-not-so-dangerous-virus-created-a-global-crisis

So here’s an important, potentially life-saving message: whatever you do, and whatever the universities and pharmaceutical companies dream up between them, focusing on developing resilience should be somewhere near the top of your list of health priorities for the coming year.

30372 Victoria, #256 of 473 🔗

Be careful what and where you search https://www.anhinternational.org/news/be-careful-what-and-where-you-search

PubMed – one of the most widely used databases in the biomedical sciences – is next to useless if searching the kinds of areas that are central to our mission. That includes topics ranging from diet/heart disease relationships, to studies on natural medicines including vitamins and herbal medicines, GMOs, and even Covid. You’ll also discover how search engines are funnelling people into PubMed and we suggest that the removal of a drop-down menu will discourage researchers from checking other databases like PubMed Central (PMC) that often reveals many more relevant articles from the peer reviewed literature. We suggest this might be deliberate sleight of hand, and we can’t discount the role of the Gates Foundation in making this happen.”

30375 Moomin, 7, #257 of 473 🔗

Please stop this madness now!

30381 IanE, replying to IanE, 4, #258 of 473 🔗

Jerome K Jerome was a fan of the 2-line precis
(e.g. Romeo and Juliet :
Lass and lad, loved like mad,
Silly muddle, very sad. )

In that vein, may I offer :-

Millions of sheeple, driven mad by fear;
End of civilisation, within the year.

30400 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to IanE, 4, #259 of 473 🔗

Virus-spread, PM nearly dead
Now whole country turning Red.

30542 ▶▶ annie, replying to IanE, 2, #260 of 473 🔗

It’s worse than the end of civilisation. It’s regression to beyond the earliest history of mankind as more than a slightly brighter type of ape. Or worse than that: apes have social groupings.

30382 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, #261 of 473 🔗

Someone posted about the same number of cases/deaths being used multiple times in the UK (I think it was 333). The same has occurred in the US with 33 being used in multiple States:

https://dollarvigilante.com/blog/2020/06/17/covid-19-is-the-biggest-psy-op-in-human-history/

Watch from 9.40 mins. Surely not coincidence that many different places could have 33 new cases?

30490 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sarigan, #262 of 473 🔗

It was 322 cases.

30388 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 3, #263 of 473 🔗

Check this out on the whole toilet seat ‘crap’!:

On 12.06:20:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/science/brits-should-leave-toilet-seat-22180414

On 16.06.20;

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11880218/toilet-seat-down-flushing-spread-coronavirus-scientists/

Not exactly reputable newspapers I know but which is it – down or up?!

Bunch of muppets.

30401 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Moomin, #264 of 473 🔗

Does it not also depend on the damage you’re planning on wreaking in said toilet? Which is dependent on whether it’s chemical biological or sheer volume of ‘materiel’ being deployed.

30390 OKUK, 10, #265 of 473 🔗

I feel sorry for those Covid-19 victims who were put into an induced coma while on a ventilator and have only just been woken up.

They will have gone into their coma thinking they lived in a parliamentary democracy.

They now wake up and find their country utterly transformed, now living through some crazed replay of Mao’s cultural revolution…all while Boris Johnson, Conservative, is Prime Minister.

They will be very confused!


30394 Paul B, replying to Paul B, 4, #266 of 473 🔗

“Stock market down amid concerns of a second wave and more restrictive lockdowns in Beijing” – The first wave finished apparently, yay! I thought this pandemic was global?! They obviously missed the fact that the world hasn’t had the virus yet as some countries decided to shield all of their citizens from it temporarily, dragging this debacle out over years rather than weeks…

30406 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Paul B, 2, #267 of 473 🔗

Exactly, many places have not even had their first wave, China is an enormous country and I don’t imagine that literally locking people in their homes was very conducive to herd immunity.

30403 dewi pritchard, replying to dewi pritchard, 5, #268 of 473 🔗

Only 46 patients have used the Dragon’s Heart field hospital, in the millennium stadium Cardiff. The other 16 have been unused. Good old Welsh Government, not the first time they’ve wasted public money. £166 million pound spent on 46 patients.

30544 ▶▶ annie, replying to dewi pritchard, 3, #269 of 473 🔗

And the entire Welsh economy sacrificed on the same altar.

30411 The Spingler, replying to The Spingler, 9, #270 of 473 🔗

Revealed today that of the 17 field hospitals set up in Wales only one was used (Cardiff) and that only treated 46 patients. The field hospitals cost £166million, making that around £3.6 million per patient treated. Bargain!

The Welsh government, like most others, panicked and knee jerked into this decision. Easy to criticise in hindsight but surely as it has now been shown that these 17 hospitals, which doubled the NHS bed capacity in Wales, can be quickly set up it is now safe to completely end lockdown. Lockdowns were only ever about ensuring the NHS had the capacity to cope. So why are we still in lockdown?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53082404

30430 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to The Spingler, 3, #271 of 473 🔗

It is like throwing bundles of money into a fire pit. All this money could have been used to improve current NHS output and care home facilities.

30499 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to The Spingler, #272 of 473 🔗

Does anyone have similar information for England regarding the Nightingale hospitals and temporary morgues please?

30413 Charly, replying to Charly, 2, #273 of 473 🔗

What the NHS should do:

http://covexit.com/get-tested-asap-receive-early-treatment-save-your-life/

…and no need for lockdown.

30428 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Charly, #274 of 473 🔗

Thank you for the link to this site. Some really interesting articles. There is a page dedicated to the Oxford findings:

http://covexit.com/tag/oxford/

30414 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 2, #275 of 473 🔗

I’v just listened to Melanie Phillips on Sky News, someone i often agree with. She correctly called out the left for shutting down debate and demonising anyone who disagrees with their views.

Unfortunately Melanie then shut down the Covid debate by demonising the evidence based scientists from multiple universities that disagree with ”the science” from SAGE.

Apparently its ‘the right’ that are trouble making over the unintended consequences of the panic lockdown. The scientists that have been highlighted in this website who clearly disagree with the ICL ”science” do not come accross to me as politically motivate, they seem more motivated in investigating and discussing the science.

Melanie clearly is not ”Going wherever the evidence leads” as her website suggests – but is instead suffering from ”easily fooled – but can’t be convinced you’ve been fooled” syndrome.

Practice what you preach!


On a seperate sky news article – the presenter was discussing air bridge discussions between Boris and Macron. Can ferrys and trains fly?

30480 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Major Panic, #276 of 473 🔗

Yes, I’m surprised at Melanie’s stance on this, she usually very balanced and talks a lot of sense

30416 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #277 of 473 🔗

Justs eat my support to Dominic Raab, maybe he can give Boris a slap round the head and get him to grow some cojones:

“Sir,

Good for you, standing up for what is right.

Don’t apologise after this, stand your ground as all right thinking, non-brainwashed people are agreeing with you.

Look at the comments in the Daily Mail to see how much support you have. The peopel are certainly at odds and totally diametrically opposed to what the mainstream mockingbird media would like to portray.

Probably the first sensible thing a politician has said in months if not years.

Now can you please speak to Boris to grow a pair and get rid of the cohorts of “experts” and “advisors” who are driving this country into the ground on the orders of certain billionaires?”

Don’t expect much though. Viva the Revolution.

Did get a couple of people in the DIY store today (staff and customers) to pull their masks down when they had been earwigging surreptitiously to me and someone I’d bumped into and we both complained about the bullshit.

We started discussing the dangers of long-term wearing of masks, has anyone seen or read a risk assessment on them, the independent research stating how they did not protect you, the warnings on the boxes and so on.

I guess not one of them had done any research themselves but believed hook, line and sinker the crap from our illustrious leaders and valiant MSM.

30423 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #278 of 473 🔗

Dominic Raab – I didn’t think he had it in him.

Really though it’s a matter that the PM should address – he has had plenty of airtime and opportunity, and he should explain why the direction we’re going in is not helpful and that this kind of thing isn’t going to be allowed to take hold in this country, in our institutions, and that it will be strongly opposed because we believe in freedom of speech, rule of law, and treating people as individuals with agency and not putting people in categories or boxes.

And they should keep pressing that line, unapologetically, whenever asked, and speak up whenever the occasion arises.

That’s what a true Conservative government with a huge majority at the start of its mandate should do. Who are they afraid of upsetting? They’d broadly upset people who hate them anyway, so why on earth do they care what those people think?

30425 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Julian, 2, #279 of 473 🔗

I’ve clearly missed something. What’s Raab said or done that’s of any use?

30459 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Julian, #281 of 473 🔗

Thanks, beat me to it.

30462 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Awkward Git, #282 of 473 🔗

Ah right. Got it.

30502 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to matt, 2, #283 of 473 🔗

Didn’t last long. He’s already back-pedalling (from Twitter):

“To be clear: I have full respect for the Black Lives Matter movement, and the issues driving them. If people wish to take a knee, that’s their choice and I respect it. We all need to come together to tackle any discrimination and social injustice.”

I wonder if he actually knows what the publicly stated aims of that movement are? If he doesn’t, he has no business saying he respects them. If he does then how on earth can he be taken seriously as “conservative” politician.

Isn’t there a single one of them who can explain why this stuff is going to lead to trouble, in a calm and rational way, and then stick to their guns and not be apologetic if people are “outraged”?

30503 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Julian, #284 of 473 🔗

Indeed – and I wonder if he is putting in an early bid to replace FatBoJo! I hope he is sincere and not just pre-electioneering: I have been taken in, and been subsequently rapidly disabused, by too many potential Con party leadership candidates (Cameron, May and FatBoJo to name a few!) over the years. Still, it is encouraging.

30561 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to IanE, 1, #285 of 473 🔗

Now is his chance to play the minority card – he’s Jewish so can use the “I am a persecuted minority, anti-semitism, you’re picking on me” ploy against them.

Play them with their own rules as being a Jewish minority beats being a white privileged male any day in the “woke” playbook.

Why call themselves “woke”? They are the most sleepwalking, closed brain people I know.

30577 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Julian, 2, #286 of 473 🔗

Just looked at twitter’s reaction to the Raab thing. They really believe he thinks that the recent ‘taking the knee’ gesture comes from Game of Thrones. It’s quite revealing really. They are not able to parse humour or wit, but can only take statements as literally true. This is presumably why politics has become so turgid: no one can use subtlety or humour any more because these morons don’t actually get it. Was it always like this, or is it a more recent IQ failure?

30596 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #287 of 473 🔗

I vote for recent IQ failure. I’ve seen what passes for final exams nowadays.

30419 Louise, replying to Louise, 13, #288 of 473 🔗

My kids are back to school before summer! For the first time in a while I have felt optimistic about a return to normality. Funny though, in sharing this news, some of my Corbynista/ Remoaner friends are mightily pissed off that I am pleased about this. It’s as if they want society to remain in limbo and increasing chaos.

30421 ▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Louise, #289 of 473 🔗

That’s good news Louise! Pleased for you

30436 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Louise, 6, #290 of 473 🔗

Schools out here until September (thanks to the ‘Unions). Neighbours, both teachers were passing by last week (with masks) and both said they wee’ frightened to death’ at the thought of returning to school.Middle aged cowards…..

30447 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to T. Prince, 3, #291 of 473 🔗

My d-i-l is a teacher and informed me a few weeks ago that she wouldn’t be going back to school when they opened at the beginning of June “because it is too dangerous”. When the time came, she did go back and has become far more blasé about the whole thing, according to my son and is far less worried! I did point out to her at the time that she was working throughout February and March when infections were at their highest!

30468 ▶▶▶ Louise, replying to T. Prince, 3, #292 of 473 🔗

Ridiculous! What a terrible attitude. See how ‘frightened’ they would be if they stopped getting paid.

30479 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Louise, 1, #293 of 473 🔗

Annoying that we’re imprisoned in our own homes because of the ‘science’ but ‘teachers’ are taking ‘advice’ from their unions…

30420 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #294 of 473 🔗

Toby, I understand why you think the BBC has a left-wing bias, but it hasn’t. The BBC is not and never has been left-wing. Its biases are the biases of the establishment. So its attacks on anyone to the right of “main stream thought” come from the left; and its attacks on anyone left-wing come from the right. But as part of its rhetorical repertoire it likes to characterise ideological challenge as far right, …phobic, populist, fascist, …denier. This rhetoric is nothing more than an element of its virtue signalling vain narcissism. The BBC’s values are much like the Guardian’s: neoliberalism.

30429 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #295 of 473 🔗

I guess it depends how you define left wing I suppose. The BBC is certainly not conservative with a small c on social or cultural issues, in fact as I said somewhere else if you look at the BBC news website it is barely recognisable as a news site – it is basically an agitprop site pushing what seem to me extreme views on social and cultural issues, masquerading as a news site.

Lots of people share those views, undoubtedly, and those views are shifting over time, but I think they are a fair bit more extreme than the views of the median Briton, on these subjects.

30435 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #296 of 473 🔗

Absolutely correct. ‘Left/right’has been superseded, long-since. The so-called left died out years ago. Corbyn was a Marxist, anti-Brexit throwback which is why ‘New Labour’ assassinated him.

The old left was replaced by neoliberalism. There is nothing to choose between the main parties. They are run by the 0.01%, the likes of Gates.

BLM is not left-wing, it’s another psyop.

30444 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #297 of 473 🔗

The neoliberals use some of the language of the left, but there is nothing left-wing about neoliberalism.

30470 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #298 of 473 🔗

Apologies!! Corbyn was pro not anti- Brexit. I slipped a cog, as OH has just pointed out. It must be my age 😉

30486 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #299 of 473 🔗

BLM is not left-wing

BLM is absolutely the very epitome of left wing extremism.

Its modus operandi is the spreading of race resentment and hatred, but its core ideology is very specifically radically leftwing:

Behind the slogan, however, BLM’s organisers have snuck in a radical set of proposals which include dismantling capitalism and ‘patriarchy’ and defunding the police. BLM also advocates disrupting ‘the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure ’.”

Spiked

If that’s not leftwing then absolutely nothing is.

30465 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #300 of 473 🔗

Yes, you are correct that the BBC’s basic bias is pro-establishment, but the whole point is that the establishment is nowadays objectively very left-wing. This is certainly as true now as it ever was true in the early C20th that the establishment was right-wing/conservative, which was the general opinion back then.

On almost any issue you pick – internationalism/national loyalty, welfare statism including education and healthcare, political correctness issues from race to sexual politics – the BBC hierarchy is strongly biased towards believing the left view is inherently good and the conservative view inherently bad.

It is a measurable fact that most BBC staff vote Labour or LibDem, as Jeremy Paxman conceded a few years back.

This is not really open to honest denial.

It might be that you mean that the BBC hierarchy is not radically left-wing on economics, but this is an issue that was largely closed off in the late C20th and is really a division between the Blairite and Corbynite (to use current terms) left factions, on which the BBC generally seems to take the Blairite view.

30485 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mark, #301 of 473 🔗

And the Blairites are neoliberals and there is nothing left wing about neoliberalism.

30492 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, #302 of 473 🔗

That’s a matter of opinion, but regardless the issues covered by neoliberalism proper are very limited. So you are highlighting one minor issue and trying to use it to define a far greater whole. There are an awful lot more political issues in a country than just how the economy is run and how much direct state ownership there is.

That’s why your conclusion on this (that the BBC and the establishment are supposedly “not left-wing”, contrary to the clear evidence of our own eyes) is so obviously, glaringly incorrect.

30487 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #303 of 473 🔗

The BBC’s entire coronavirus output has reminded me of the recent Royal wedding. Entirely one-sided. If you don’t agree, you are a subversive, an idiot or both. At least during that episode they rolled out the occasional dissenting voice, if only to then caste them as an offbeat, silly irrelevant who isn’t down with the programme

30517 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #304 of 473 🔗

I would suggest that the constant hammering of, and lying about, Jeremy Corbyn for the best part of four years would suggest the Beeb does not have a left wing bias.

30534 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bella, #305 of 473 🔗

The fact that the BBC hierarchy takes a side in the Corbynite/Blairite internal division on the left obviously does not mean it is not left-wing.

Again, the simple reality is that most BBC staff are Labour or LibDem voters. Not even the centrist “Conservative” Party, which supports all the major planks of the left except Brexit, pretty much, (nationalised healthcare, state welfare, state controlled education, mass immigration in practice, universal suffrage, social and political manipulation on “political correctness” issues by law, etc), is sufficiently leftist to attract support from more than a mostly subdued minority of BBC staff.

30432 Paul, replying to Paul, 17, #306 of 473 🔗

There is a growing revolt at my daughter’s hospital over the mandatory wearing of facemasks at all times,I fear such dissension in the ranks of the almighty NHS will be ruthlessly crushed.
One of her colleagues passed out and my daughter and another person came close to it,they all say wearing the bloody things all day is unbearable and is making them ill.Occupational Health is supposed to taking the matter up with management but in three days hasn’t even attempted to.
There is also a strong ‘do as I say not as I do’ culture that exists in all levels of the management .My daughter went to the Senior Sisters office to find several of them packed closely together with no masks,being a sceptic she wouldn’t mind if it weren’t for the fact that these same people are always telling the underlings off for doing the same,also a surgical manager has been stopped by security several times for not wearing a muzzle.
Quite a few patients arriving for appointments are refusing to be muzzled aswell.

30434 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Paul, 7, #307 of 473 🔗

I just hope more people keep pushing against the mental rules/guidelines. To have employees passing out surely is not something an employer wants. Thought employers were supposed to take care of all of their workforce.

30440 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 8, #308 of 473 🔗

Good to hear that there is “growing revolt”. How disgusting though that the powers that be don’t take the dangers of mask-wearing seriously even when the evidence is right there in front of them. Fainting is pretty scary especially when you sustain injury because of it. Sorry to read that your daughter is working in such an environment and I hope more of her colleagues band together to refuse to wear these things.

I saw someone wearing a mask while driving this morning (he was alone!). I wonder what will happen when a motorist faints at the wheel. Surely it is only a matter of time before this happens.

30461 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sarigan, 6, #310 of 473 🔗

I wonder how this affects insurance. Surely, wearing a mask (totally unnecessary in a car) potentially impairs your ability to drive safely. I can’t believe (OK, I can) that this practice hasn’t been prohibited.

30497 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to kh1485, 3, #311 of 473 🔗

And, what if it is a bus-driver!?

30508 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to IanE, 1, #312 of 473 🔗

Funny as a friend was asking about that as well. Or what about a passenger on the underground.

I suspect TFL or the relvant bus company would be resposible if they were sued.

30513 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 3, #313 of 473 🔗

There’s been an increase in people driving in my town with masks on,I’m expecting one of them to pass out and drive into one of the shop queues.I worry that these unnecessary queues are also a potential easy target for terrorism.

30630 ▶▶▶ Marion, replying to kh1485, 3, #314 of 473 🔗

I saw an ambulance driver wearing a mask as he was speeding down our street, siren blasting, of course. Makes me sick to the stomach. Can’t say how much I hate the nhs and all its stupidity.

30452 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Paul, 9, #315 of 473 🔗

Occupational Health has a responsibility to address this matter urgently especially if someone passed out – she would have a major claim against the NHS for endangering her life. If nothing happens then she must submit a grievance and this must be addressed in terms of the grievance policy.

The staff should submit a collective grievance about the endangering of their physical and mental health.

30481 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Paul, 5, #316 of 473 🔗

Best of luck to their complaint and that they take it seriously. Workplace management keeps on bleating on about “safety and well being” and this is clearly a case where both are being compromised.

Something like this should also be publicised because this is one concerete example on the dangers of mask wearing.

30512 ▶▶ Dinger, replying to Paul, 5, #317 of 473 🔗

Put her colleague in touch with the solicitors who advertise at the end of Toby’s blog. It will also be great publicity for Simon Dolan.

30518 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Paul, #318 of 473 🔗

Visiting a hospital yesterday, I’d say around 60% of NHS staff were wearing theirs on the corridors

30546 ▶▶ annie, replying to Paul, 9, #319 of 473 🔗

I really, really hope they will continue the revolt. Indeed, I am praying that they do. It isn’t about masks, or not fundamentally: it’s about the killing of human souls.

30628 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to annie, #320 of 473 🔗

So agree, Annie! I like your posts and apparently you live in West Wales like me. Are you interested in connecting off-line?

30629 ▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Melangell, #321 of 473 🔗

I mean off this website line!

30445 Victoria, #322 of 473 🔗

Another of my articles ‘Awaiting for approval’

Here is link and some information

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/news-alerts-week-25-2020

This is one of many reasons why ANH and the doctors in the UK represented by the British Society for Ecological Medicine (BSEM) are calling on governments around the world to engage in a new transparency narrative around vaccines.

Such transparency is essential for people to give properly informed consent to vaccination – particularly Covid-19 vaccines which have been developed at warp speed .

30449 PaulH, 2, #323 of 473 🔗

More corona madness:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/world/asia/coronavirus-china-salmon.html

Better watch out for those salmon.

Maybe one will swim up your toilet!

30453 mjr, replying to mjr, 8, #324 of 473 🔗

Had a chat with my barber this morning – who is planning to open on 4th july (although government have not confirmed this is definite yet). I have haircut and beard trim. He says he has all the gear . screens, gloves, masks. we did discuss how he is supposed to do the beard whilst i am wearing a mask . Fortunately he has the same attitude as me to all of this and as he is a small operation we will both ignore all the rules. I did see this morning that bigger salons are only using half the chairs to enable adequate spacing . that will do wonders for the customer backlog and revenue generation .

30457 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to mjr, 5, #325 of 473 🔗

and they are all still paying rent for their premises and are prevented from making an honest living.

30456 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 14, #326 of 473 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-53081922

Rather sad article interviewing young people whose future plans have been totally pole-axed by this lunacy, to coincide with today being deadline day for acceptance of university offers. Young people have been completely let down during this crisis and some will be dealing with the after-effects for a very long time.

30493 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Poppy, 8, #327 of 473 🔗

Yes, it is a disgusting state of affairs. And imagine being a school-leaver or university graduate about to hit the jobs market – just as millions have been made jobless and mass job-destruction begins. It is mind-boggling the damage that is being done.

30545 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Poppy, 2, #328 of 473 🔗

I have a very nasty feeling this is going to be worse than the 1980’s.

30547 ▶▶ annie, replying to Poppy, 4, #329 of 473 🔗

Sad, but why are they just sitting there and taking it?

30460 Tony Rattray, replying to Tony Rattray, 3, #330 of 473 🔗

LOCKDOWN SCEPTICS – ALWAYS FIRST WITH THE REAL NEWS

Headline in the Herald today in Scotland that social care workers are more than twice as likely to die from covid as their “super hero” colleagues in the nhs. And that nhs workers actually have a lower than average mortality rate for the virus than the general public.

Well I never!, we were discussing this fact here on the sceptics website a month ago! Keep up mass media.

Keep clapping…Oh I forgot, the tyranny of the majority has stopped this practice now. However, as the rainbow pictures are still evident in windows across my town, perhaps the masses are now dreaming of a pot of gold to save the Scottish economy at the end of this all.

Oh dear….as I predicted over a month ago here, initial figures have confirmed that Scotland is heading for higher unemployment rates, etc. than England.

Perhaps Toby and all the sceptics should set up as a government advisory body with the title “Ca ssandra complex”.

30543 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tony Rattray, 1, #331 of 473 🔗

I trust you hoped you were wrong in your economic analysis. I certainly did. Hoped and might have prayed if I was religious. Friends in the hospitality sector in the Highlands (which directly or indirectly seems to involve almost everybody. Highlanders are very industrious folk, often with two or more jobs at once) are pulling their hair out by the roots…

30463 smileymiley, replying to smileymiley, 33, #332 of 473 🔗

Just sent this to my surgery.

I received a text the other day stating that I must wear a face covering if attending the surgery. Let me state now that I will not wear one. You must be aware that the need for face masks are only applicable in a medical setting when the patient has Covid 19 & these have to be of the specific type approved by the clinical authorities. The wearing of paper mask, scarf or any other covering will not decrease the risk of the virus being transmitted. If I have symptoms of Covid 19 I would be self isolating at home, just like I would with Influenza or a bad cold. If I do not have symptoms a mask is even less use. I could be asymptomatic? But as I’m sure you’re aware the chances of such a person transmitting the virus are very low. The virus is over as a major threat, if it ever was, 80% of the population has been in contact with it. Herd immunity has already been reached. 98% of people affected recover with no ill effects. This virus particularly attacks the elderly & especially those with comorbidity’s. These are the people who we should be caring for but in the panic we let them die alone. As stated in the text message the wearing of masks & also the 2 metre rule are only guidelines with no legal status whatsoever.
The medical profession in this country are there to look after us not the other way round.

30464 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to smileymiley, 11, #333 of 473 🔗

I wrote something similar to my GP yesterday. We should all do the same if we disagree. I doubt it will do any good but it might help the message get out there.

30471 ▶▶ Sceptique, replying to smileymiley, 22, #334 of 473 🔗

Wear this. If questioned say the guidance wasn’t clear.

30550 ▶▶ annie, replying to smileymiley, 5, #335 of 473 🔗

Excellent. I endorse every word and I will NOT WEAR A MASK. Let them jail me, what difference would it make to my life now?

30551 ▶▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to annie, 3, #336 of 473 🔗

I’m a lady of a certain age, retired, and if they want to jail me too that’s fine. The Daily Mail would have a field day!

30469 mjr, replying to mjr, 6, #337 of 473 🔗

just seen on news that Greene King are apologising because one of their founders had a plantation and Lloyds Insurance are apologising because they used to insure ships that carried slaves.
Also Oriel college has decided to take down the Rhodes statue (although subject to planning etc).
In the words of the great Victor Meldew, i dont believe it.

I have just read up on Rhodes to refresh my memory.. and it seems that his ethos and his actions in Africa were normal for Victorian times. However, they are totally reflected in the Chinese ethos and actions in Africa today. Where is the protest there?

30472 ▶▶ Mark, replying to mjr, 3, #338 of 473 🔗

Much easier and safer to go along with the zealots and hope they leave you alone and go string up someone else (preferably a business or political rival).

In the short run.

30475 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 2, #339 of 473 🔗

Indeed. That’s not really working out for us though.

30477 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 2, #340 of 473 🔗

Well it’s a large part of how we got were we are. It’s just becoming more and more open and obvious.

And as you say it is hard to see it ending well.

30473 ▶▶ Julian, replying to mjr, 2, #341 of 473 🔗

I can’t see any way in which this ends well

30496 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Julian, 7, #342 of 473 🔗

I suppose you could say the bubonic plague ended well…there was, after all, a significant rise in real wages.

People who think this will end well: BBC staff, Senior Police Officers, MPs, callow youths on a vegan diet, the Guardian, Church of England Bishops, people who think they will get some personal advancement out of this without having to put any effort in, academics in non-scientific subjects, American tech billionaires, MCB, SWP and George Soros (a representative list).

People who don’t think will end well: Sensible people just about everywhere.

30514 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to mjr, 4, #343 of 473 🔗

Because it’s not about slavery, it’s about deconstructed our history, cultural identity and our stories and replace them with a global generic herd identity.

In the same way that the lockdown has never been about the virus.

30536 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to mjr, 1, #344 of 473 🔗

…. and there is a Rhodes Scholarship . Following information copied from Wikipedia (not a good source of reference as information can be changed by about anybody) but quickest for now.

The Rhodes Scholarship is an international postgraduate award for students to study at the University of Oxford . It was established in 1902, and soon became the most famous of numerous international scholarship programs. The founder diamond magnate Cecil John Rhodes wanted to promote unity between English-speaking nations and instill a sense of civic-minded leadership and moral fortitude in future leaders irrespective of their chosen career paths. [1] Although initially restricted to male applicants from countries that are today within the British Commonwealth , as well as Germany and the United States, today the scholarship is open to applicants from all backgrounds and from across the globe. [2] Since its creation, controversy has surrounded its former exclusion of women (thus leading to the establishment of the co-educational Marshall Scholarship ).
Many Rhodes recipients have achieved fame as politicians, academics, scientists, authors, and entrepreneurs. Notable American political recipients include president of the United States Bill Clinton , the United States Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice , [3] Governor of Louisiana Bobby Jindal , United States Senator from Louisiana John Neely Kennedy , [4] Congresswoman Heather Wilson , and United States Secretary of Health and Human Services Sylvia Matthews Burwell . President of Pakistan Wasim Sajjad ; prime minister of Malta Dom Mintoff ; [5] Australian Prime Ministers Tony Abbott , Bob Hawke , and Malcolm Turnbull ; and Deputy Prime Minister of Canada , Chrystia Freeland , are also Rhodes Scholars. Other notable Rhodes Scholars include journalist and American television host Rachel Maddow , author Naomi Wolf , Senator Cory Booker , [6] mayor of South Bend Pete Buttigieg , president of Planned Parenthood Leana Wen , Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Ronan Farrow , and president of the Walmart Foundation Kathleen McLaughlin . The current Warden and CEO of the Rhodes Trust, Elizabeth Kiss , is also a Rhodes Scholar. [7]

30537 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to mjr, #345 of 473 🔗

Another of my posts ‘awaiting approval’

…. and there is a Rhodes Scholarship . See Wikipedia (not a good source of reference as information can be changed by about anybody) but quickest for now

30686 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Victoria, #346 of 473 🔗

I think there’s a limit on the number of links you can have in a post before it requires manual approval.

30541 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to mjr, 3, #347 of 473 🔗

I am so much looking forward to all those Rhodes Scholars giving the scholarship money back – Bill Clinton, Cory Booker, Mayor Pete (Buttigieg), Devi Sridhar, to name a few – with an accompanying plea for forgiveness from the BLM movement with the ‘I had a momentary lapse of virtue when that money hit my bank account and I will match whatever Greene King and Lloyds make as a donation from my own funds’.

30483 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 5, #348 of 473 🔗

I think the weeee Kranky, peace be upon her, has just said antisocial distance may be reduced to 1.25meters on monday – presubanly thats what we’ll be getting on Monday too – they could just make it 1meter. (I wasnt watching! I accidently overheard it in the background)

In the evenings theres some old fellas who congregate in our town in a seating area near the monument, some with mobility scooters, some slirping from cans of larger (drink scootering?) – just jibber jabbering away enjoying life – I have noticed they are using more of a 75cm distancing rule – seems to work for them

30489 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Major Panic, 6, #349 of 473 🔗

If they do keep that 25cm, it just proves further – not that we need it – that we are having the piss taken out of us

30530 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Tom Blackburn, #350 of 473 🔗

They’re not ‘taking it’ most are giving it away!

30511 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Major Panic, 3, #351 of 473 🔗

ifthey think we don’t understand what one metre is why the hell are we tasked with working out what 1.25 metres is? Insane.

30515 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Bella, #352 of 473 🔗

1,25 metres is almost exactly 4 feet . for most of us that still think in real measurements that is easy to imagine

30529 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mjr, 1, #353 of 473 🔗

Yes, it puts anarchy/antifa protesters just outside punching range.

30533 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, #354 of 473 🔗

just thought. 4 feet is imperial measurement. am i still allowed to mention the word imperial or anything related to this ? should i now prostrate myself and seek penance and denounce my colonial whiteness?

30560 ▶▶▶▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to mjr, 2, #355 of 473 🔗

Please do use imperial! I cannot visualise 1.25 metres but I can visualise 4 feet. In fact if anyone tells me to move back 2 metres i deliberately look puzzled and move 2 feet 😜

30516 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Major Panic, 7, #356 of 473 🔗

She’s only saying that because she thinks England will go for 1m and she wants to look bigger and better.

30603 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Major Panic, 2, #357 of 473 🔗

1.25m is not brilliant but it’s a start and would hopefully put Boris on the backfoot and maybe galvanise some sensible action further south.

It’s a very pedantic number, isn’t it? Probably so it doesn’t look as if they’ve given in to public pressure!

30484 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #358 of 473 🔗

Looks like we need to give Sadiq Khan a lesson in Biology 101 – the Respiratory System:

https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/1273528082981363712

30488 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #359 of 473 🔗

Maybe he cares deeply/believes all this stuff but it seems to me more like attention-seeking, felt he’d been out of the limelight too long.

30504 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, 1, #360 of 473 🔗

That’s the trouble with Khan – if its knife crime or any other real problem he’s nowhere to be found. But if its some bandwagon or something “easy” he’s there giving his 2p worth.

30509 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #361 of 473 🔗

Sadiq Khunt needs teaching a lesson full stop!

30595 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #362 of 473 🔗

“There is an increasing body of evidence that the use of non-medical face coverings by the public can help reduce the spread of coronavirus.”

The “evidence” he cites is not empirical at all but hypotheses backed by some number-crunchers.

I would say that, given the virus had run its course, being virtually
non-existent in London, before the introduction of compulsory muzzles,
there is no empirical evidence whatsoever.


Isn’t it time some actual medically-qualified people spoke up about this nonsense, so the academics should be told to shove their computers somewhere that would yield an empirical result?

Yesterday, I wanted to superglue a muzzle to Khan’s face. Today I would happily use a nailgun!


30626 ▶▶▶ Marion, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #363 of 473 🔗

I don’t know why medically qualified people haven’t spoken up about all this, unless I have missed something. Is there anyone currently working for the nhs publicly protesting about any of this nonsense? Are they all scared for their jobs?

30720 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #364 of 473 🔗

At least Ken was awful but entertaining. Khan is a self-publicising sanctimonious, inactive prick. Even under Johnson the posters just said “mayor of London” now every single one of them says “mayor of London, Sadiq Khan”

30494 smileymiley, replying to smileymiley, 7, #365 of 473 🔗
30520 ▶▶ Julian, replying to smileymiley, 1, #366 of 473 🔗

Yes, he has stuck to his guns.

30559 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to smileymiley, #367 of 473 🔗

How I imagined day-to-day life for a member of the Fox dynasty in the 1960s and 70s:

Divide your time between your large country house and a flash pad in London; when in town, drive your Bristol to your gentleman’s club; cigars, brandy, roaring fires, witty conversations with refined rogues; often invited for the weekend by aristocrats for a spot of hunting; frequent parties attended by the likes of Richard Burton, Mick Jagger and Princess Margaret; fall about at a joke Peter Sellers tells you; earn a crust during the week doing a bit of the old acting – Roller provided to drive you back to your London pad each night; occasionally go to Eton where your kid is boarding and watch him play a spot of rugger; St. Moritz for the ski-ing every year…

Laurence’s experiences are shattering my illusions…

30572 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to smileymiley, 1, #368 of 473 🔗

Great article Laurence Fox is so right to say “Every single human life is precious. The End.” and then he gets villified for that. Shocking!

30574 ▶▶ Mark, replying to smileymiley, 1, #369 of 473 🔗

Fox has been remarkably courageous on this. Sticking to your guns in the face of aggressive intolerance by powerful and influential groups is inherently admirable.

“No human being could fail to be appalled by what happened to George Floyd. We were united in our outrage.”

I disagree with this. Floyd was a thug who lived the life of a thug, a big man who was a criminal and a drug abuser, and physically aggressive. A policeman in a foreign country tried to control him using standard control techniques that he would have been trained to use. Floyd died, either as a result of particular personal vulnerabilities or a misapplication of the technique.

Until someone produces any evidence of malice or intent on the part of the policeman, for me this is just another unfortunate mishap that occurs when you have policing of the US kind and behaviour of Floyd’s kind. Unfortunate, but a consequence of Floyd’s own choices of lifestyle and behaviour and a foreign country’s choice of policing style. It’s not “appalling” to me, it’s just unfortunate.

But I feel no need to signal my goodness by devaluing terms like “appalling” by over-use.

30594 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, #370 of 473 🔗

Mishap is exactly the correct term if there was no intent, and if the technique was an approved one.

You can apply other descriptive terms as well according to how seriously you choose to regard the issue, but that doesn’t change the underlying applicability of that term.

30495 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 8, #371 of 473 🔗

What I would love to see here is an FAQ page. Over the last weeks I have copied and pasted the most informative points made both by Toby and commenters into a document with a view to educating/de-conditioning the coronaphobic. But it would be so much easier if we had a page with subject headings for masks, 2m rule, cases and death statistics etc etc (obviously needing regular updating) that could be readily to hand. I would willingly chip in some money to anyone willing to create this.

30583 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Melangell, #372 of 473 🔗

Me too.

30501 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 1, #373 of 473 🔗

Just want to check with the covid cognoscienti: Is the document published on this website purporting to show the collusion between the govt and the MSM to whip up fear in the population valid? https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid-coercion-boris-johnsons-psychological-attack-uk-public?fbclid=IwAR0SZg3HuyehTwX4VeP1h5HME55EYVc3wigUZdssLIDQRDXpE5rpDhjjXn0
I’d really appreciate a response before I have egg on my face!

30510 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Melangell, 4, #374 of 473 🔗

It is official document and the wording certainly indicates that:

Persuasion
2. Perceived threat: A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened; it could be that they are reassured by the low death rate in their demographic group (8), although levels of concern may be rising (9). Having a good understanding of the risk has been found to be positively associated with adoption of COVID-19 social distancing measures in Hong Kong (10). The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging. To be effective this must also empower people by making clear the actions they can take to reduce the threat (11).

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/882722/25-options-for-increasing-adherence-to-social-distancing-measures-22032020.pdf

30568 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Sarigan, #375 of 473 🔗

Thank you Offlands – I hope as many people as possible read this. From the very start I knew there had to be collusion between the government and the MSM. At first I thought maybe the media were using scare tactics for click-bait, but this confirms that there is way more to it than that.

30523 Tony Rattray, replying to Tony Rattray, 8, #376 of 473 🔗

Just tracked about 400 comments on the bbc website about the snp / scottish approach to the virus – just a pathetic two week delay to what the uk government is doing. 5 to 1 supporting the following:

“What this forum is “riddled with” are comments from Scots who are thoroughly sick of being told what to do by a second rate politician. I remember when I lived in a free country. If those who are afraid to leave their homes or walk alongside others on a pavement, fine, but let the rest of us get on with our lives.”

Once the scottish population is able to mix again in person to confirm the greater cost of lockdown than any benefit including the care home and schooling shambles, nicola will be crying into her porridge over the winter just in time for next scottish elections in may.

30527 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tony Rattray, 3, #377 of 473 🔗

The Welsh Assembly (I refuse to call it a “government”, no matter what those in Cardiff are ego-tripping on) is about to get the same wake up call. I cannot even recall the name of our non-entity allegedly in charge.

30539 ▶▶ simon hill, replying to Tony Rattray, #378 of 473 🔗

They wont vote her out, the Scottish people has shown that nationalism is more important than anything else.

30610 ▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to simon hill, 3, #379 of 473 🔗

The SNP are the largest and most vocal minority in Scotland. However, they are still a minority and certainly do not represent the views of the majority of Scots.

Unfortunately, the SNP benefit from a fragmented opposition and an uncritical media. Some of you may recall the FM saying ‘Judge me on education’. What education might that be, exactly? Could it be the part-time ‘blended’ learning that may resume in September, if the Dear Leader deems the levels of risk acceptable? Yet her own CMO (before she disgraced herself) effectively conceded as long ago as March that children were not at risk:

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/scotland/1234237/scotlands-youngest-people-not-being-seriously-affected-by-coronavirus-says-chief-medical-officer/

So, schools remain closed, parents can’t return to work and the Scottish Government, which now presides over the highest unemployment rate in the U.K., wants the furlough scheme extended… it’s infuriating, to say the least.

30525 Mark, 3, #380 of 473 🔗

The very epitome of intolerance

Racial slur councillor suspended from Cheltenham Lib Dems


Tolerance is much abused as a concept these days. People have forgotten that in order to tolerate something it is necessary first to disapprove of it, and to continue to disapprove of it. What people mean these days by tolerance is usually coerced approval, and that applies in pretty much all the “political correctness” areas.

The profound intolerance, to the level of absurdity, for the use of what we must now (again, absurdly) call “the n word” is a fine example of the extreme intolerance that characterises modern British society (and most of the societies in the US sphere, generally).

The lengths to which this intolerance goes are highlighted by cases such as this, where the term is used without any intention of expressing any “offensive” political opinion or personal abuse, but is nevertheless harshly punished. The people who insist on such punishment are intolerant people, by definition.

The argument that it is an inherently “offensive” term that we should refrain from using in order not to offend people is simply encouraging intolerance. People can choose whether to dwell on being offended by a word or an opinion for themselves, but their choice should not be used to impose controls on other people’s choice of words. If people are offended by a person’s choice of words, they can choose whether to be tolerant and to tolerate it, or they can choose to be intolerant and to try to force a retraction or punishment. In general it is simply unreasonable to make a big issue out of being offended by a term if there was no clear intention to offend.

If it were an expression of a substantive political opinion that is opposed to the principles of his party that the councillor had made, then it would be legitimate for members or supporters of that party to try to punish him. But in this case it appears he was merely drawing attention to the change in mores around the use of this word, and if anything encouraging tolerance, which is something that the modern LibDems pay lip-service to, but in actual practice (as clearly evidenced by this case) oppose.

So the only way to justify this kind of incident is by accepting that intolerance is a core part of LibDem policy, and indeed of most of our political parties and institutions. And that is very evidently the case.

30528 mjr, replying to mjr, #381 of 473 🔗

NHS finally ditched the in- house centralised tracing app and gone for the Apple/Google off the shelf option.
https://order-order.com/2020/06/18/nhs-switches-to-apple-google-model-for-contact-tracing-app/

30535 ▶▶ simon hill, replying to mjr, 3, #382 of 473 🔗

So a health authority thought it was better at tech than the biggest tech companies in the world. I mean who decides this in the first place?

30552 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to simon hill, 1, #383 of 473 🔗

Official line is that the apple/google version didn’t allow the integration into NHS records. Sounds like a credible reason, but it’s that centralised integration that causes the concern around privacy.

This causes concern over data privacy with regards to giving data to apple and google – but since they’ve already got all the data about you that they could ever need anyway, probably not worth losing sleep over.

30554 ▶▶▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to matt, #384 of 473 🔗

I trust Apple with my data far more than I trust the NHS. I suspect Apple know a teeniest bit more about software than the NHS do. 😄

30584 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to matt, #385 of 473 🔗

There aren’t many apps that integrate easily with well thumbed manila folders.

30564 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to mjr, 6, #386 of 473 🔗

STOP the tracing app

30565 ▶▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Victoria, 2, #387 of 473 🔗

Oh I wouldn’t install it. I’m just amused that the NHS thought they could do better than Apple or Google 😂

30586 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mjr, #388 of 473 🔗

How much has that cost us all?

My local HCS (National Covid Service) trust can’t even manage to communicate between its own departments.

The prospect of the NHS being able to produce a tracing app of any description, let alone world-beating, was frankly an expensive joke.

30593 ▶▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Cheezilla, #389 of 473 🔗

This was inevitable. Has the NHS ever created, either directly or via a sub-contractor, a national computer system that actually worked?
They have, however, spent millions of our money on failure.
Give them all a clap tonight!
https://www.taxpayersalliance.com/_system_failure_11_billion_nhs_it_system_finally_abandoned_but_not_before_slamming_a_high_bill_on_taxpayers

30538 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, #390 of 473 🔗

Just had a quick look at the Keswick High Street webcam. The street market is back. This is usually heaving with people. Usually.

https://www.visitcumbria.com/webcams/keswick/

You may have to copy and paste the link, sorry.

30540 ▶▶ steve, replying to Nick Rose, #391 of 473 🔗

Have you just been posting/replying on Guido?

30588 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nick Rose, #392 of 473 🔗

Poor traders! At least those out and about seem to be behaving normally – and I only spotted one muzzle.

30632 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nick Rose, #393 of 473 🔗

Thanks Nick. I saw 3 people and a crow.

30674 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Nick Rose, #394 of 473 🔗

There’s literally nobody there

30548 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 18, #395 of 473 🔗

Got bored watching the rain so sent this to my local Council’s Chief Executive.

I may tweak it a bit and send it to the local town councils and the surrounding county councils as well:

Sirs,

I have been reading some of the stories on your NewsNBC website and have found misleading information on it that needs corrected.

The story is titled “The countdown to reopening the town centres begins” and it states in the main body of the text (2 quotes):

“All businesses in XXXXXXX have been sent a letter by the Borough Council, as part of the ‘countdown’ to borough-wide retail reopening on June 15 in a move to support their safe return.
The communication includes a checklist detailing some of the control measures needed in order for businesses to be COVID-19 Secure.
The guidance includes self-distancing, cashless payments, safe deliveries, risk-assessment, hygiene and cleaning regimes and details of further advice that is available online.”
and

“In preparation for this Council Officers have arranged for signage and pavement marking to be installed where appropriate to emphasise the need for social distancing.
Cllr. XXXX Added: “It is important that as people return to the shops they do so safely and stay alert and practice social distancing to protect not only themselves but also their family and friends from the spread of the virus.”
Retailers and other businesses who are unable to make the necessary COVID-19 Secure arrangements, however, must stay closed until they can.”

I have a few questions that require answering as there are a few items that are not correct.

1 – “Guidance” and “advice” are not legally enforceable and does not have to be followed. The Government has reiterated this in the past week in their legal reply to the Judicial Review request by Simon Dolan and his legal representatives Wedlake Bell as part of their defence on school (non)closures.

With this in mind please state what piece of legislation or legal basis your are using to force retailers and other businesses to stay closed if they cannot make COVID-19 Secure arrangements as per your checklist?

2 – Was a risk assessment used to generate the guidelines you issued? Please supply the risk assessment.

3 – What “science”, Government backed or independent, was researched to generate the risk assessment on which the checklist is based if the answer was “yes” to point 2? Please supply the research and the evidence.

3 – The Government and the National College of Policing have both stated on numerous occasions that social distancing is not law, nor is it legally enforceable in England. Social distancing also has no basis in science, cannot be backed up by science and was plucked out of thin air using no evidence whatsoever as stated by Professor Dingwall.

With this in mind, please state what piece of legislation or legal basis your are using to force retailers and other businesses to abide by social distancing “guidelines” as if it has force of law?

5 – The Government and the National College of Policing have both stated on numerous occasions that social distancing is not law, nor is it legally enforceable in England. Social distancing also has no basis in science, cannot be backed up by science and was plucked out of thin air using no evidence whatsoever as stated by Professor Dingwall.

With this in mind, please state what piece of legislation or legal basis your are using to install street signs, pavement markings and so on that misrepresent social distancing to be law? Were the words “if possible”, “guidance only” or similar included in the signage?

6 – How much is this costing and where is the money coming from, Council finances or central Government.

7 – The social distancing guidelines are under review and look increasingly likely to be changed very soon.

With this in mind will you be changing all the signage, pavement markings, guidance to shops and businesses etc immediately any changes are made? If not, why not.

8 – If you have given written guidance restricting operations at a business or premises or stating they must remain closed, and as you seem to be giving the impression to business owners and operators that your written guidance has force of law then under the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 the local authority is liable to pay the businesses compensation for any losses incurred from the time restrictions were put in place until they are lifted.

Is the Council aware of this? Has the Council followed the legislation on issuing of written notices to the affected businesses?

Here is the relevant section:

Stopping of work to prevent spread of disease(1)
With a view to preventing the spread of—
(a)
a notifiable disease, or
(b)
a disease to which subsection (1) of section 23 of the [1955 c. 16 (4 & 5 Eliz. 2).] Food and Drugs Act 1955 applies,

the proper officer of the local authority for any district may by notice in writing request any person to discontinue Ms work.

(2)
The local authority shall compensate a person who has suffered any loss in complying with a request under this section, and section 57(2), (3) and (4) below shall apply to any dispute arising under this subsection.





All this information should be readily available and immediately to hand at the Council in numerous departments including the Chief Executive’s office, the Trading Standards department and the Environmental Health Department as it has apparently been given in writing to businesses according to the story on NewsNBC.

I look forward to your reply within a reasonable timeframe.

Yours sincerely

30558 ▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Awkward Git, #396 of 473 🔗

Nice one!

30562 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Awkward Git, #397 of 473 🔗

Well done. More people should do that

30580 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Victoria, 1, #398 of 473 🔗

Everyone out there is sceptic land feel free to copy and plagarise it to suit your needs.

30581 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, #399 of 473 🔗

Wow that’s awesome. Do let us know the response!

30591 ▶▶ annie, replying to Awkward Git, #400 of 473 🔗

Superb. Congratulations. I shake your wholly non-socially-distanced hand..

30670 ▶▶ steve, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #401 of 473 🔗

I think you hit on a corker there.

The legislation is here. If all businesses closed down wrote to their council to demand compensation this would start a shitstorm of epic proportions

1)With a view to preventing the spread of—

(a)a notifiable disease, or

(b)a disease to which subsection (1) of section 23 of the [1955 c. 16 (4 & 5 Eliz. 2).] Food and Drugs Act 1955 applies,

the proper officer of the local authority for any district may by notice in writing request any person to discontinue Ms work.
(2)The local authority shall compensate a person who has suffered any loss in complying with a request under this section, and section 57(2), (3) and (4) below shall apply to any dispute arising under this subsection.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1984/22/section/20/enacted

Any lawyers here can confirm?

30816 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to steve, #402 of 473 🔗

Maybe send it to Francis Hoar? (contact details on his Twitter account)

30814 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, #403 of 473 🔗

Great letter! Show it to Simon Dolan 😉

31101 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Carrie, #404 of 473 🔗

I included a lot of this in the reply to Wedlake Bell when they sent out that e-maila asking for how it has affected us.

I also asked about the dates and timings as none of it makes sense.

30549 CarrieAH, replying to CarrieAH, 19, #405 of 473 🔗

A nice visit this morning – in spite of heavy rain – to our local farm feed merchants shop. The maim entrance door had been divided in half to give an “in” and an “out” and there was a sign about distancing and respecting each other . . . and that was it. Other than that, it was the usual friendly, jolly place with a helpful family serving of all ages. None of them were bothered about keeping their distance from me, not a muzzle in sight on either staff or customers, and there were no perspex screens around the checkout. I picked over the fruit and vegetables without feeling like a leper, ordered my animal feed which was put into my car for me, and asked if I could pay in cash. “Of course” came the surprised reply “We like cash!” The moral is – if you want to enjoy your shopping, go to a farm shop or agricultural suppliers. We all live amongst bacteria, dirt and poo, experience birth and death every day through our animals, and the little matter of a virus isn’t going to bring us down and make us fearful!

30571 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to CarrieAH, 5, #406 of 473 🔗

Totally agree with this, having spent all my life around ponies and worked on a farm as a teenager exposed to heaven knows what diseases and germs. Going to shows with ponies and eating sandwiches with grubby hands.

I’m sure that’s why none of my immediate family are ever seriously ill.

30605 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to ambwozere, 5, #407 of 473 🔗

We have always been a ‘play in the dirt family’. If the kids wanted to play in the dog water bowl, we let them (possibly not drink it though). Sure they have been ill and it tends to be a knock for 6 when it happens but they have always bounced back quickly. Climb that tree and if they fall, they learn. My brother is a cotton wooller and his kids have always had snotty noses and succumb to every bug there is and were afraid to do the things that kids should do. I am not saying there is a right or wrong but life is risky and you have to live it.

30726 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Sarigan, 1, #408 of 473 🔗

My philosophy has always been “little boys bounce”

30579 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to CarrieAH, 4, #409 of 473 🔗

Fantastically sane people. Glad you can support them!

30569 Bella, replying to Bella, 5, #410 of 473 🔗

According to the London Calling podcast referenced at the end of this update James Dellingpole cites ‘a friend, of a friend, of a friend who knows someone in government’ (I’m not quoting verbatim) who says that there has already been planned a new lockdown in October. Not because of the virus, but to save the government’s blushes.from having got it wrong in the first place. (It’s about the 20-25′ mark if you want to listen to it.) If there is any element of truth in this then the government is committing wilful murder for the sake of salvaging their reputation. And if it has been planned already this is deceit of the first order. It may be rumour, it maybe scaremongering, but if true I would suggest that is a capital crime and a firing squad should be commissioned. I really cannot believe what I heard. Dellingpole says it’s depressing. It’s not depressing, it’s government sponsored violence and murder. (Weird, before lockdown I would never have listened to a podcast with those political leanings.)

30573 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bella, #411 of 473 🔗

If true, casus belli to me.

30576 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bella, 1, #412 of 473 🔗

Delingpole, regarding the Woke/BLM/Antifa: “I think what they want is civil war.”

Keep going you little sh1ts, and you’ll get one.

30578 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella, 4, #413 of 473 🔗

I’ve suspected the 2nd wave mantra was leading to a fabricated event. Also explains the prevarication on the 2m rule, which bears no scrutiny but would save on new stickers.

It’s beyond just about any emotion I can come up with, besides frustration and disempowerment – which will ultimately lead someone with nothing to lose to feel somewhat murderous!

If the video of the mob menacing Hitchens is anything to go by, we might not be so far off.

30597 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cheezilla, #414 of 473 🔗

Yes, that mob could do with meeting a group wielding baseball bats some time really soon.

30585 ▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Bella, #415 of 473 🔗

That is appalling if true! I’m not surprised in the slightest – though doesn’t Johnson keep going on about not wanting to risk a second wave and a further lockdown? Isn’t he going to look pretty stupid anyway if there is one, having said that many times? That said, I haven’t really been paying attention any more to what he says, so I could be wrong on that and it may be something else he’s done a U turn over recently.

30600 ▶▶▶ Jodie S, replying to CarrieAH, #416 of 473 🔗

They’ll struggle to justify it if no one’s actually got the disease….

30607 ▶▶▶ Nic, replying to CarrieAH, #417 of 473 🔗

To be fair I cant believe many people would accept a second lockdown it wont happen.

30587 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Bella, 1, #418 of 473 🔗

I’ve no doubt that will happen. The MIT published an article about “the new normal” back in March and it clearly outlined everything we’ve seen take place so far. It included a wave graph showing lockdowns happening every two months or so until a “vaccine is found”.

30598 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mark H, 3, #419 of 473 🔗

All we have to do is ignore them. If we do this en masse, there’s absolutely sfa the so-called “authorities” in this country can do.

30612 ▶▶▶▶ Marion, replying to Nick Rose, -1, #420 of 473 🔗

They can arrest us, or take away sale of alcohol licences (and arrest the licensee). Would a landlord or restaurant owner risk that, or even a large fine? Perhaps. But taxes/fines are ultimately collected by men with guns – if you refuse to pay up (or in any way refuse to do as you are told) and if you keep refusing and refusing, then the men with guns will come for you. I know the police in this country aren’t armed, generally, but if you put up sustained disobedience the guns do come out. Many people on this site, and others I read, comment that we should all just ignore their stupid, malicious rules, but…there is only so much we can do unless we really want to put our livelihoods and even our lives – or a least our freedom from prison – on the line.

30679 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Marion, #421 of 473 🔗

Don’t despair Marion. There will always be people able and willing to do stuff like this. Everyone just needs to do what they can.

I wouldn’t mind going to prison for resisting this coup. But I would want it to be meaningful/worthwhile in some way, not just a statement.

30640 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Mark H, #422 of 473 🔗

Yes, but if there is no evidence of a resurgence of the virus (and I believe there won’t be, it’s all but gone anyway) what is their excuse going to be? Marion (below) says people won’t rise up because they won’t want to be sent to prison. But if you have nothing because the lockdown(s) has destroyed everything you had what’s there to lose? The French Revolution started that way and then the ‘men with guns’ (again Marion below) turned on the king.

30672 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Bella, #423 of 473 🔗

I would be ok going to prison because of my beliefs

30709 ▶▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to Bella, #424 of 473 🔗

Who controls the data? Government run organisations like the NHS. Very easy to suddenly report spikes and new cases and misdiagnose a pneumonia case. Hasn’t that already been the MO?

And back in lockdown we go.

30812 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mark H, -1, #425 of 473 🔗

I think it would now be hard to get away with regular lockdowns, even if that was the original plan – because too many other countries have realised that they need not have locked down. I do think though, that there is a plan to release a new virus – Amazing Polly on youtube had some information on this, and I believe a second virus was part of the event 201 pandemic simulation held in October 2019..

30631 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Bella, 3, #426 of 473 🔗

No words for this stupidity anymore. Given that at least two European countries have stated that they won’t bring in another lockdown even if there is a second wave, Johnson would look even more of an idiot to impose another one here.

I think there will be trouble as by then the furlough scheme will have ended so there will be potentially loads of people unemployed with nothing to do and an anger for what the government has done.

Time will tell I guess.

30734 ▶▶ coalencanth12, replying to Bella, #427 of 473 🔗

I guess that at least portions of the civil service will be doing ‘war games’ on such scenarios, like they do for many national emergencies. It does seem to go against the ‘mood music’ of the government – I thought the reason we were edging out of lockdown so slowly was to prevent Bojo’s mystical second wave – and as others have pointed out it could be catastrophic for the Tories as they have staked ‘no second lockdown’ on their testing systems. I’m not sure a second lockdown would actually be obeyed – there will be many, who, like me, have ‘obeyed’ these restrictions through gritted teeth who will move into active resistance if they try it again… With any luck Tory backbenchers would stage some kind of move..

30575 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #428 of 473 🔗

Christ on a bike!!!

It’s already been three fecking months so why send another one of these patronising emails:

Dear XXXXX,

We’re committed to keeping you and our Partners safe when you shop with us. So we wanted to remind you of the ways that you can help protect yourself and others.

Please shop alone if you can, unless you need a helper or have young children with you. We’re limiting the number of customers in our stores, so this will help everyone do their shopping more quickly.

Keep two metres apart from other people – that’s about the length of two trollies. Look out for the floor stickers to help you. As a myWaitrose member, you can use Quick Check to scan and pack your items as you shop – all of our handsets are thoroughly cleaned after every use. Then just pay at one of our self-service tills.

Thank you for following these measures, and helping to keep us all safe.

Take good care,
BÉRANGÈRE MICHEL
Partner & Executive Director, Customer Service
John Lewis Partnership

I can feel another urge to write a strongly worded reply to tell them to stick it where the sun don’t shine.

30606 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Bart Simpson, #429 of 473 🔗

Yes I had one too, just hit delete.

30614 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #430 of 473 🔗

I’ve just come back from my local (but not within 5 miles here in Wales – slap my naughty wrist) Waitrose. Have to say throughout this farce this particular branch have been pretty relaxed and pragmatic about the ‘rules’ they have to follow from HQ. The vast majority of the staff have opted for no PPE and no one shouts or has a break down if you walk past someone else not at a 2 metre distance. They do limit the numbers in the shop but it’s a branch that is always pretty quiet so you rarely have to queue to get in (unlike Asda round the corner). There’s no one way systems in the shop and you don’t feel like a pariah if you pick up things and put them down again.

As for my fellow shoppers – face muzzle count today was zero, as it was last week from a max count of 3 the prior week. Mind you there was one old gent in a full face visor and gloves which I’ve not seen before.

30618 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to The Spingler, 2, #431 of 473 🔗

I went to Waitrose thrice before my self-imposed boycott and I’ve noticed the same, no staff in PPE, everyone ignoring the arrows and no-one giving a rat’s ass about the 2 metre rule.

They have been relaxed more or less and its really bizarre why they send this email which I take it as insulting my intelligence.

30622 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #432 of 473 🔗

Delete.

I no longer shop at John Lewis online since they introduced fees to pick up a package from Waitrose. Much easier to shop at Amazon despite the fact that i do not like to support them.

30624 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, 1, #433 of 473 🔗

At this rate I feel that Amazon treat me more like a human being than the high street stores.

30627 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, #434 of 473 🔗

God’s way of punishing ‘myWaitrose’ members. 🙂

30809 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bart Simpson, #435 of 473 🔗

How dare they tell people they should shop alone!

30589 Threepartslogan, replying to Threepartslogan, 3, #436 of 473 🔗

I was thinking about the SAGE minutes (oh what an exciting life I currently lead) and it occurred to me that they seem fairly sparse in detail (none of the minutes appear to be longer than 5 pages in total).

The SAGE minutes from the Swine Flu epidemic in 2009 seem a lot more detailed (see link below) and that epidemic did not lead us into lockdown…..

https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20120907150455/http://www.dh.gov.uk/ab/SPI/DH_120535

30807 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Threepartslogan, #437 of 473 🔗

Have the recent SAGE minutes been redacted?

30599 Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 3, #438 of 473 🔗

Town centres in Swale; Faversham, Sheerness and Sittingbourne are to be closed to traffic for ‘social distancing’. The dobbers-in, crab-scuttlers and hedge-jumpers don’t feel safe apparently despite the absence of evidence of transmission in the open air. The businesses bravely trying to survive are now forbidden deliveries. The Town Clerk tells me this is happening all over which I doubt. Any news from elsewhere?

30611 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #439 of 473 🔗

I believe Ross-on-Wye has come up with a similar plan to close some roads to traffic and remove free parking bays (including most of the disabled bays) in order that pedestrians can keep apart where the pavements are too narrow. This is on top of the pedestrian one-way system plan that is already in place i.e. you walk up the high street on one side all in the same direction and cross over to walk the opposite way down the other side. Madness as reports are that there is hardly anyone out shopping anyway.

30620 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #440 of 473 🔗

There’s one road part-closed in our town centre, otherwise normal. But we have limited access anyway, and the roads remaining are needed for residents to access certain parts of town, so closing them would be very difficult.

30722 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #441 of 473 🔗

We have a similar ridiculous scheme along the main road by our local shops (which no one in their right mind would queue up to get inside). Parking bays blocked off with orange roadworks barriers (and reducing the width of the road significantly), and a literal forest of yellow social distancing signs. Most of the shops are still closed anyway, and at least half of the barriers have been removed by someone enterprising and people are parked up as usual!

30601 Threepartslogan, replying to Threepartslogan, 3, #442 of 473 🔗

Just searched for the term “social distancing” on the archive pages and filtered to 2009 and this article came up about the swine flu epidemic of 2009…

https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20180620162646/https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/dirty-brits-are-worlds-worst-flu-spreaders/

This paragraph stood out!

In conclusion, it is not possible to say why the UK tended to report lower uptake of the various hygienic behaviours. However, it is possible that differences in the media portrayal of the threat of swine flu between the UK and other countries may have contributed to blasé (or perhaps stoical) British attitudes. Much of the UK reporting of the swine flu pandemic was excellent, being both measured and responsible. However, after the initial shock of the swine flu outbreak, attention moved on to other stories, such as whether the NHS was wasting money buying stocks of the antiviral drug Tamiflu.

30695 ▶▶ matt, replying to Threepartslogan, #443 of 473 🔗

Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive, But to be young was very heaven!

30602 Awkward Git, 1, #444 of 473 🔗

Court case initiated in the USA by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons against the FDA over Hydroxchloroquine:

https://aapsonline.org/hcqsuit/

Then on the same website this one:

https://aapsonline.org/covid-19-and-the-universal-health-scare/

The medical system is finally waking up maybe?!

30604 LGDTLK, replying to LGDTLK, 5, #445 of 473 🔗

I had a generic “No Mask, No Ride” email from Uber before the latest round of madness. So I wrote to them via my account telling them that I would no longer use them as long as they insisted on muzzle-wearing. Didn’t expect a reply so surprised to receive this today. Looks like if you make it clear in the notes when booking that you cannot wear one as it would cause “severe distress” you can ignore it. Not a fan of the policy but it does look like they’re being pragmatic – text below . 3 observations on my walk today – Sutton Coldfield. Town centre once again dead as a doornail. No queues anywhere – looked like Xmas Day. I assume now the novelty has worn off and the “new normal” is in place most people can’t be arsed. Passed by 4 buses – sum total of passengers 6. Only 1 muzzle wearer. 1 refusenik sat on the bus right under the “Mandatory Muzzle sign”. 2 local pubs now unboarded and unshuttered – first time since April. Assume the landlords and breweries have been tipped the wink by someone.

Hi ,

We apologise for any frustration caused.

The requirement to wear a face covering or mask when riding with Uber does not apply where it is not appropriate for a rider or driver to do so due to mitigating circumstances such as their age, medical condition and/or disability. This includes:

A child who is under the age of 11 (although any accompanying adult should wear one if it is appropriate for them to do so)

Anyone whose circumstances mean they cannot put on, wear, or remove a face covering (e.g. because of any physical or mental illness or impairment or disability, or that doing so would cause them severe distress)

Anyone travelling with, or providing assistance to, someone who relies on lip reading to communicate.

If a rider is exempt from this requirement, they should explain before pick up via the app that they are exempt based on Government guidance. In this scenario, we recommend after booking a trip, messaging the driver and telling them your situation. We are confident the drivers will not have a problem with this.

If you have any other issues, please feel free to get in touch.

30613 ▶▶ James007, replying to LGDTLK, 2, #446 of 473 🔗

This is really useful to know. Thanks for sharing.

“…mitigating circumstances such as their age, medical condition and/or disability.”

It does seem like a fairly high bar, but at the same time I guess no one is yet requiring any proof or evidence of such medical conditions?
Good that they leave it up to the driver. Might get more questions when traveling in a shared space like buses and trains

30625 ▶▶ Julian, replying to LGDTLK, 1, #447 of 473 🔗

Interesting. I am not a fan of mask wearing but think it should be up to the driver. Perhaps they could incorporate that into the app – drivers who are happy to accept maskless passengers can offer their services to passengers who signal they prefer not to wear a mask.

30608 Nobody2020, #448 of 473 🔗

Useful data for excess death from BBC:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-53073046

30609 James007, replying to James007, 9, #449 of 473 🔗

I’ve been limiting access to news/blogs/media for mental health reasons. I’m afraid that I’m not resilient enough to cope with the level of insanity around Covid and BLM/race hysteria. Keeps going round and round in my mind like I’m loosing it. Instead I’m trying to deal with more pressing matters such as family and job issues. Perhaps others feel/do the same?
Son did a painting at pre-school today and was really pleased with it. Been struggling for a long time to get him in to crafts. Sadly I am not allowed to see it until the end of term. It was confiscated from him on his way out, because of the risk that the paper may be carrying Covid. This is a bit odd to say the least, given he is in a “social bubble”, and all crafts activities have to be done alone. However there is no use complaining about any Covid related rules (eg masks etc…) it seems everyone is swalling government rules without question.

I have emerged briefly from my self-ban to see whether anything had been said about masks. I was forced to wear one taking son for a medical appointment the other day, and I may have to make a train journey next week. I gather that I have to say that I suffer from “anxiety” to avoid being kicked off a train if I don’t wear one? This wouldn’t be stretching the truth very far in my case.

I also note that the latest most-read media story that I don’t give a toss about, is that Dominic Raab thought that “taking the knee” sounded like something from “Game of Thrones”. I would love to see a politician tell the media what they are, how stupid and irrelevant many of their questions are, and how entirely blind they are to the concerns of most people in this country. But that’s not going to happen.

30617 ▶▶ Julian, replying to James007, 4, #450 of 473 🔗

Masks on trains are legal requirements unless you have a reasonable excuse – asthma might be easier to sell than “anxiety”

I am not aware of any law on masks in doctors surgeries, though they would probably give you a hard time if you refused. I don’t know about hospitals, they may be able to refuse to treat you.

Avoiding news, social media etc sounds like a good idea.

Good luck.

30619 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to James007, 2, #451 of 473 🔗

Raab’s has been the ballsiest response to this nonsense so far.

That pic of Starmer and Rayner makes me want to vomit!

And as for the police grovelling in front of a crowd of youngsters. WTF!

Raab would have done better if he’d not dropped the Game of Thrones clanger. He should have used that as a simile and put it all into perspective.

30623 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #452 of 473 🔗

Yes, the GOT thing was silly and of course the BBC made that the headline.

But sadly he backpedalled anyway, said he respected BLM. As I posted elsewhere, that’s a shocking statement whether he knows what the policies are or not. BLM have been clever – basically they’ve manipulated people into thinking that if you say you don’t support BLM it means you hate black people. I find that very depressing indeed.

30633 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 1, #453 of 473 🔗

BLM have been clever

Not clever – no need to give these scumbags any more credit that is required by the real fact.

It’s not hard to achieve what they have when you have the ground so thoroughly prepared for you and the media, political class and institutions so thoroughly penetrated by cowards and fellow travellers. It wasn’t the BLM scum who did that. They just reap the benefits.

[Dominic Raab] said he respected BLM

If we had honest news media they would immediately and confrontationally question any supposedly conservative figure who said such a thing on exactly which parts of “dismantling capitalism and ‘patriarchy’, defunding the police, and disrupting ‘the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure’” he approves of, and also why he “respects” a movement that is based on a lie about supposed systematic racist police killings that is not supported by the evidence.

But we do not live in a country with an honest news media.

30635 ▶▶ watashi, replying to James007, 3, #454 of 473 🔗

stay strong. I also have to limit my time online..it`s all too depressing.

30616 The Spingler, replying to The Spingler, 5, #455 of 473 🔗

There have been ‘outbreaks’ of infections in two food processing plants in North Wales, causing much hysteria here. It got me thinking – aren’t face masks worn routinely in food processing plants, even before covid 19? Anyone know? If they are then doesn’t it support the argument that face masks are pointless?

30621 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to The Spingler, 1, #456 of 473 🔗

Certainly makes the case for handwashing instead!

30634 ▶▶ Bella, replying to The Spingler, 1, #457 of 473 🔗

Do they really mean ‘outbreaks’ or do they mean cases discovered through testing? BTW, back in my tender years a ‘case’ meant someone who was treated by medics not someone who tested positive for something but had no symptoms. Still, bad luck Wales, Comrade Drakeford has an ‘outbreak’ and therefore reason to keep the Celts in the Dark Ages for considerably longer.

30637 ▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to The Spingler, #458 of 473 🔗

In most factories before all this you would have needed to wear face covering for beards and moustaches and always hairnets/protective outerwear but not every face covered. working in ‘high risk’ areas may require more and these days it’s the full PPE and visors I believe (I’ve not been in a processing plant for a while).

30638 ▶▶ coalencanth12, replying to The Spingler, #459 of 473 🔗

I originally hail from the area of at least one of these plants, which I have to say did not have a stellar reputation as an employer or the quality of the operation! There has been a theme internationally of outbreaks in these environments, possibly something to do with the average temperatures and humidity.

30636 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #460 of 473 🔗

Matt Hancock at press conference. If I understand correctly, those of us over 50 are first phase guinea pigs for the AstraZaneca/Oxford University vaccine. Can’t wait!

30639 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #461 of 473 🔗

Just Say No.

30655 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Mark, 2, #462 of 473 🔗

Oh, don’t worry. I won’t be having it through choice. I have no doubt, however, it will be aligned to insurance cover and all manner of other things as per Lord Hague/Tony Blair comments the other day. This surely is the only reason for lockdown still in place. Makes you wonder who else is getting a cut from this.

30658 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #463 of 473 🔗

Yes, the only question for me is how much harassment I’m going to have to experience as a result of refusing this unwarranted, disgraceful imposition.

30710 ▶▶ matt, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #464 of 473 🔗

Missed it today. Went to meet the dad of one of my little one’s friends in a local park with the boys (Wylam brewery jakehead- highly recommended). Something just close enough to remind me what normality used to be like.

What was said?

30744 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #465 of 473 🔗

You get those types that will be too willing to get the vaccine (no question about ingredients or side effects) as it will safe them BUT if you tell them about vitamin D they will tell you how dangerous it is. Ah well!

30641 coalencanth12, replying to coalencanth12, 6, #466 of 473 🔗

Here in my Thames Valley town, several shops haven’t bothered to re-open. Those that have don’t seem to be doing roaring trade. I got the impression a few of these were prepared for bigger crowds that, frankly, never came. This doesn’t bode well but does fit the pattern I expected of people having a limited tolerance threshold for these social distancing measures. I noticed in Oxford some cafes putting up Max Number of Patrons notices, most of which are down in single digits even for large-ish establishments… This will be an economic calamity!

An amusing anecdote from a trip down the Thames path – a young child insisted her mother stop and give me a 2m berth. The mother was a 30 something Scandinavian lady who actually apologised and said ‘They fill her head with this social distance rubbish in nursery’!

30644 ▶▶ Mark, replying to coalencanth12, 2, #467 of 473 🔗

Too many people in positions of authority clearly have no understanding of basic concepts such as productivity and profitability.

The mother was a 30 something Scandinavian lady who actually apologised and said ‘They fill her head with this social distance rubbish in nursery’ !”

Encouraging.

30713 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Mark, 1, #468 of 473 🔗

Not encouraging. What the hell are we doing to our children? We’re teaching them not to be human.

30642 StevieH, 6, #469 of 473 🔗

Left South Wales on Sunday for Liverpool to do a final sort and clear-out of the wife’s late sister’s effects as her house has been sold. Drove up through the borders, expecting to be challenged at some point – but nothing. Wednesday morning, a couple of Poles in a van showed up and loaded up. No anti-social distancing. We got back to our house 10 minutes before them (not a police car in sight on the way back). After unloading, we all shook hands. Like normal! Great!

30645 Mike Collins, replying to Mike Collins, 1, #470 of 473 🔗

You couldn’t make this up, your kids will be going to school in a tent next winter?

Can’t wait to ask the question, ‘how are you going to heat the flammable classroom safely?’ – yet another reason for the scrapping of social distancing. If 300k protestors have not caused a 2nd spike then kids in a classroom won’t.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1297773/schools-reopening-uk-school-open-socially-distanced

30806 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mike Collins, #471 of 473 🔗

Wouldn’t get away with tents in Sweden – far too cold!

30681 steve, #472 of 473 🔗

Someone here dig out the legislation that the council are responsible for paying compensation if they close down a business to stop a spread of a disease.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/06/17/latest-news-58/#comment-30670

If enough business do this ASAP it will cause an utter shit storm.

31538 Louise Porter, #473 of 473 🔗

Hi Toby, I’m totally in support of what you’re doing with Lockdown Sceptics. But the photograph of the road being reclaimed by the desert in Dubai: my friend who lives there is sure it’s photoshopped. According to her, the roads are completely busy, not deserted like that. She also says that “no roads go to Burj Khalifa like that”. Just thought you should know.

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