Last updated2020-06-20T11:02:03



31541 HawkAnalyst, replying to HawkAnalyst, 4, #1 of 511 🔗

How To Check If Your iPhone Is Secretly A Coronavirus Tracker


A similar setting has been installed on Android phones.


31586 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to HawkAnalyst, #2 of 511 🔗

Installed with recent 13.5.1 update on iOS.

Seems to be turned off by default, although that could be my settings.

31628 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Dave #KBF, #3 of 511 🔗

my old iphone 6 keeps prompting to update IOS but i have ignored for the last year. best thing as it also stops apple slowing it down

31632 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to mjr, 1, #4 of 511 🔗

Problem is, you’re also leaving yourself exposed to whatever security issues have been found in the course of the last 12 months – which will be many. It’s a judgement call – do you want to give apple more access to information about you, or do you want to give every Tom, Dick and Harry who fancy themselves as a hacker potential access to your data?

31589 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to HawkAnalyst, #5 of 511 🔗

Looks like its time to get a phone which you can root and install an custom AOSP rom onto. Take back control of your smartphone!



31594 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to HawkAnalyst, 2, #6 of 511 🔗

Much better, this is how it should be done. No more war and peace articles please, you’re killing us!

31598 ▶▶ Digital Nomad, replying to HawkAnalyst, 5, #7 of 511 🔗

Every single “smart” phone is a tracking, tracing and listening device, regardless of the apps installed. It really is that simple.

31944 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Digital Nomad, #8 of 511 🔗

Mine’s not smart.

31601 ▶▶ annie, replying to HawkAnalyst, #9 of 511 🔗

Can they use tablets too, or only phones?

31688 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to annie, 1, #10 of 511 🔗

Most tablets just are giant phones. If you don’t want anyone tracking you it’s probably fine to put the device in “flight mode” when you aren’t using it, or to turn it off. Either requires you to trust Apple or Google to some extent (since you can’t usually physically take the battery out you don’t know if it’s really off). You could also take the SIM card in and out (but this is very fiddly and it’s a matter of time before you drop it and it vanishes into thin air) and turn off WiFi.

I don’t think the Covid thing has appeared on my (Android) phone yet but I think it will be fine just to turn it off in the settings. I won’t be installing NHSX as I don’t have enough free disk space– it’s taken up with higher priority apps such as plants vs zombies.

31809 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to guy153, #11 of 511 🔗

Thanks, flight mode it shall be.

31839 ▶▶▶▶ DoesDimSyniad, replying to guy153, 1, #12 of 511 🔗

You don’t actually need to do anything with the setting. With Bluetooth off it won’t work no matter what, and it clearly states that you need to download an app to even activate the setting. It’s just greyed out. Considering that we’re talking about a setting specifically for a virus that for the vast majority who even get it (far from even a bare majority of people) barely rivals a cold in its effects, I’m not happy about it, but nor am I worried. Just don’t install any tracker app they bring out. Seems like a pointless setting really – it has no function without a relevant app being installed, and if someone actually installs the app, why would they want the setting turned off?

31960 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to DoesDimSyniad, 1, #13 of 511 🔗

I think it’s just part of the design of Android that you have to give permissions to things explicitly. Otherwise you might download a game or something that was using the Covid stuff for some sneaky purpose (although as you say Bluetooth has to be on as well, but you might have that on anyway for example because you were a BMW driver).

31949 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, #14 of 511 🔗

I don’t have one of those either.

31950 ▶▶ John P, replying to HawkAnalyst, #16 of 511 🔗


31546 OKUK, 27, #17 of 511 🔗

The tide has turned on 2 metre social distancing…a small victory but an important one since it will spread scepticism about other claims made by a weak Government, a powerful scientific cabal and the left-liberal political-media elite (whose hatred of Conservatives and Brexit, goes beyond all rational limits).

31549 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #18 of 511 🔗


Our latest estimates indicate that at any given time during the two weeks from 31 May to 13 June 2020, an average of 33,000 people in England had the coronavirus (COVID-19) (95% confidence interval: 12,000 to 74,000)¹. This equates to 0.06% (95% confidence interval: 0.02% to 0.13%) of the population in England or around 1 in 1,700 individuals. This estimate is based on swab tests collected from 24,413 participants, of which 10 individuals tested positive for COVID-19.

0.4% of the population infected is the definition of an epidemic I believe (happy to be corrected). So doesn’t this mean a coronavirus epidemic is NOT in general circulation?

31556 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #19 of 511 🔗

Either that figure is absurdly low and therefore wrong or it means the epidemic is over.

But what do they mean by “had”, first off? If the virus is in your nose or at the back of your throat you’ve “had” the virus but many people are able to deal with the virus there.

31561 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to OKUK, 1, #20 of 511 🔗

I took it to mean that “had” means “would have tested positive”. As for what “tested positive” means in real terms… that’s a totally different question!

31565 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #21 of 511 🔗

But if it’s just an antibody test then we know it’s missing huge swathes of the population who have various immune responses (including from other non-Covid19 viruses) that allow them to combat the virus without producing antibodies.

31568 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to OKUK, 2, #22 of 511 🔗

I think, given it says swab tests, that it’s PCR antigen testing.

31954 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to A. Contrarian, -1, #23 of 511 🔗

I really don’t care. It’s over.

32019 ▶▶▶ djaustin, replying to OKUK, #24 of 511 🔗

Pcr positive swab during the teating interval. There is also antibody serology for ever “had” the virus, but this is not it. And it’s definitely falling based on this data. It’s a trial for a much larger 300k study.

31578 ▶▶ SaveTheShops, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #25 of 511 🔗

Looking at the recent death rates, around 50 per day and with known fatality rates of about 0.26% we can guess that three weeks before those deaths occured about 20K people were catching covid per day. So this fits those ONS figures within an order of magnitude (much betetr than Ferguson’s models ever fit real figures), seems pretty plausible.

You’re right about not an epidemic. I don’t know if the 0.4% is the boundary for definitions’ sake, but covid-19 has very much spread across the whole world without getting particularly large proportions of people in any given country infected.

31609 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #26 of 511 🔗

I seem to remember reading somewhere that this either stopped being an epidemic early on or never got to the level of an official epidemic.

Think it’s more likely the former but can’t remember how long the epidemic lasted.

32276 ▶▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Nobody2020, #27 of 511 🔗

I think this may be what you mean? Mid March, the government downgraded the virus and it was no longer a High Consequence Infectious Disease.


32254 ▶▶ DoesDimSyniad, replying to A. Contrarian, #28 of 511 🔗

You are correct about the definition of an epidemic. In the UK it has been below that for weeks (at least known cases), so the alert level should have been 2 for ages, but it’s only just been lowered to 3.

31552 OKUK, 11, #29 of 511 🔗

“Head of University Hospitals Birmingham says those infected ‘don’t seem as sick as before’” Similar to comments from Italian doctors. Maybe as some have argued, as the lockdown is eased, it becomes easier for more moderate mutations of the disease to dominate.

31559 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 3, #30 of 511 🔗

“A school near Bradford” ? Hmmm…there may be some other motivation for banning blazers there, possible.

31573 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, 1, #31 of 511 🔗

Keighley isn’t Bradford – though both are pretty dire.

31563 Jonathan Castro, replying to Jonathan Castro, 10, #32 of 511 🔗

Just saw this video (one of many by Carl Vernon): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2DZDrbbbPU

We are being run by idiots. I won’t be going into any places until all the guff and antisocial distancing is removed.

If you like you could send a comment to the “Conservative” party via their website “Contact Us” link. I’ve just told them they’re all stark raving mad.

31962 ▶▶ John P, replying to Jonathan Castro, 2, #33 of 511 🔗

“We are being run by idiots.”

Jonathan. I have known this since March.

31564 Mark, 3, #34 of 511 🔗

A schoolboy corporally punished at Eton for not smoking!

I have to say, that’s got to be pretty high up on the political incorrectness Top Trumps. If it were a working class black boy singled out for his colour and because he/she/whatever identified as a girl, it would pretty much take the (soggy) biscuit….

31566 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 26, #35 of 511 🔗

OMG there’s a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.

Here’s a comment from a Torygraph bedwetter:
Originally I was livid about the cheek-by-jowl BLM protests (not the many well organised, physically distanced ones I also saw) but now I’m coming around to the possibility that if there is no upsurge in cases over the next few weeks, they might have done the rest of the country a favour by volunteering themselves as human guinea pigs in an experiment that could free us all from this lockdown.

Keep posting your comments in the MSM guys. It’s like water dripping on a stone but don’t give up!

31654 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #36 of 511 🔗

Especially all those BAME protesters who are supposedly more susceptible to the virus!

31702 ▶▶ Guirme, replying to Cheezilla, #37 of 511 🔗

Could that letter perhaps have been written by a sceptic seeking to influence those who might believe him/her to be a genuine follower of the lockdown orthodoxy?

31869 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Guirme, 1, #38 of 511 🔗

Does it matter?

31732 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Cheezilla, #39 of 511 🔗

herd immunity by the back door

31870 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to crimsonpirate, #40 of 511 🔗

Well the herd bit certainly applies to the bedwetters.

31567 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 20, #41 of 511 🔗

Received this email from my newly opened local independent optician, after I made it clear I would not be happy to wear a mask throughout my consultation next week (ideally I wouldn’t attend at all until it’s all back to normal, but I can’t ignore my vision issues any longer).

“Thanks for your reply, it has caused quite a debate in the optical world.

If you wish I am happy to see you without a mask given you do not have symptoms.

The issue we have is that we have to get a lot closer than 2 metres during a sight test and hence we have had to agree to a raft of protocols so that we can recommence sight tests.

We will be and have to wear full PPE.”

A “raft of protocols”. How are these small, independent businesses supposed to continue to operate like this? They are only able to see one person per hour, whilst dressed in full, fresh PPE for every consultation, and seemingly have to disinfect the entire premises between clients. I get the impression they aren’t completely happy about my mask refusal, however the last two paragraphs suggest that they are also less than happy with the requirements forced upon them…

31574 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A. Contrarian, #42 of 511 🔗

Does it mean that if you don’t wear a mask, they’re forced to don a full hazmat suit?

31575 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #43 of 511 🔗

And what if the overuse of disinfectant triggers asthma, eczema etc in staff and/or patients?

31616 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #44 of 511 🔗

That’s a very good point. Several people in my shop yesterday were slathering themselves in hand sanitiser. Not only does it stink to high heaven, it causes an allergic reaction in me. Not just saying this because of my lockdown scepticism, it really does. Both if I get it on my skin (contact dermatitis) and if I inhale it (breathing difficulties). So, every time someone uses the stuff, I have to go outside to get some fresh air. Not sure how I stand on requesting that people don’t use it – I’ll probably get lynched!

31871 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, #45 of 511 🔗

Erect notices saying that for health reasons, the use of hand sanitiser is not permitted on the premises.

31576 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #46 of 511 🔗

I think they will be in hazmat regardless of what I do…

31583 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #47 of 511 🔗

@ A. Contrarian

I unfortunately smashed my specs, so took a trip to see my independent optician earlier this week.

I got the feeling the owner / optician was not happy about the costs off PPE, on top of being closed for three months.

My optician wore a medical mask and a light weight disposable apron. No full face shield etc. No over shoes.

As for only seeing one person per hour, I think that may apply to dentists, but not opticians, as I had an 09:00 appointment and the next person was seen at about 09:20.

As much as we do not agree with the constraints being put upon us and the professionals we need to see, we still need to look after our health, but keep fighting this stupidity.

One thing that did interest me was the optician used the tool which tests pressure in the eye, surely this creates an aerosol which goes into the air?

31744 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Dave #KBF, #48 of 511 🔗

Mine has specifically stated 1 person per hour for sight tests. 45 mins for the test, the I guess 15 minutes of disinfection.

31745 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Dave #KBF, #49 of 511 🔗

Yes, it does create an aerosol and one of the opticians I looked at was refusing to use them for that very reason.

31643 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #50 of 511 🔗

Have you asked what would happen if you’re feeling faint or dizzy while wearing the muzzle at the same time you’re being examined? Because that could be a possible get out clause.

31658 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #51 of 511 🔗

Yes, hypothetically, let’s say you faint while wearing the required mask and get injured as you fall – can you sue them, because you would not have fainted otherwise? Or say the mask induces a major asthma attack, you land up in hospital where you catch the virus – whose fault is that?

31669 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Carrie, 1, #52 of 511 🔗

There was some discussion about that yesterday or the other day in this same blog but with regards to transport. I reckoned that it could be TFL or the relevant company could be sued if say you were in a bus or tube and the driver passes out because s/he was wearing a mask or you as a passenger faints due to the mask or face covering that you could be wearing.

In this case I suspect the practice would be responsible but I’m not sure. Any lawyers here who can answer this?

31746 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #53 of 511 🔗

I gave some basic info about why masks are not actually that effective. Then I said that they make me feel panicky and faint. Job done.

31747 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #54 of 511 🔗

Well done. Hope the optician takes that into account.

31653 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #55 of 511 🔗

If masks work, then surely only one party really needs to wear one? Because the worker wearing it will be protected from any virus the patient might be carrying and the patient can’t catch anything from the worker who is wearing the mask? Or am I missing something? As far as the optician, dentist, or whatever is concerned, they cannot be sued for passing a virus to you if they are wearing ‘protection’ – if you choose not to wear a mask for ‘protection’ yourself then that is surely up to you?

31750 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Carrie, 2, #56 of 511 🔗

Some mask advocates say that masks don’t protect the wearer, but they protect others from the wearer’s germs. But I think that only applies of the wearer is symptomatic i.e. coughing and sneezing, and I despair if someone would still go to the optician in that state.

I think at the moment it’s up to the optician whether or not they insist you wear a mask. According to his “instructions” from on high, it’s discretionary, but he seemed fairly keen that I wear one (for my protection, you understand). He’s using the guidelines given to GPs, but sitting in a crowded waiting room full of sick people seems quite different to me from a one-on-one scenario like an opticians.

31873 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, 1, #57 of 511 🔗

I don’t think you’re missing something. It just demonstrates how stupid this is.

31569 Mark, replying to Mark, 20, #58 of 511 🔗

Stu Peters, the Manx Radio host who’s been suspended by his employer and referred to the Isle of Man’s Communications Commission – the equivalent of Ofcom – because he had the temerity to challenge the concept of “White Privilege”.

Someone (possibly Toby) linked the article by William Clouston (SDP leader) in Spiked the other day, which included a pithy comment about the idea of “white privilege):

I recently spoke to some members of our party, the SDP, about the concept of ‘white privilege’. Among our many working-class members, I heard terrible stories of ancestors who died of pneumonia and TB, people losing fingers in industrial accidents, grandfathers who died coughing up coal dust, and families of six living in two-room Tyneside flats. These stories don’t fit into BLM’s crude racial narrative because our society is far more complex than these ideologues would want to describe it as. This racialisation of politics and its assertions of ‘white privilege’ only serves to erode the historic and current struggles of Britain’s working class .”

Spiked, The BLM movement could not be more wrong

31652 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mark, 7, #59 of 511 🔗

Good example above of someone quoting a selected portion of an article plus a link, rather than posting the article in its entirety!!!

31763 ▶▶ Edgar Friendly, replying to Mark, 3, #60 of 511 🔗

According to these neo-Jacobins, even a homeless white man has white privilege. It’s nothing to do with reality. It’s a purely theoretical mind vice, used to discredit people who may have an opposing view, to dismiss them on the basis of, quite literally, their skin colour.

The British men who were maimed and killed in the two wars, and those Germans they were fighting who received the same, all were bearers of ‘white privilege’.

Every white person in jail has ‘white privilege’. Every white rape victim has ‘white privilege’.

31777 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Edgar Friendly, 4, #61 of 511 🔗

Absolutely. There should be no hesitation in calling out BLM activists as what they are – dishonest, manipulative scum promoting racial hatred, and their sympathisers and defenders as dupes and worse.

Those who give them craven submission by “taking the knee” or by giving credence to their supposedly noble cause should be likewise viewed with straightforward and open contempt.

31969 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Edgar Friendly, 2, #62 of 511 🔗

It’s childish. Lazy governments have allowed this rubbish to proliferate.

31965 ▶▶ John P, replying to Mark, 1, #63 of 511 🔗

lol, people lost a lot more than fingers in industrial accidents. Fatalities in coal mines were a weekly occurrence in the nineteenth century. You can check this page for a selection of the injuries sustained by “white privileged” coal miners in nineteenth century Scotland:


31570 Cheezilla, 11, #64 of 511 🔗

And I’d welcome a chance to tell him to his face to F*ck off!

31571 Mark, replying to Mark, 25, #65 of 511 🔗

Always thought Parris was a complete c**k, and it’s nice to see it confirmed.

Rather than “over-55s” paying for all the costs of this, it should be all supporters of lockdown, of whatever age.

31581 ▶▶ SaveTheShops, replying to Mark, 1, #66 of 511 🔗

Supporters of the lockdown should stay in it forever, and financially pay off ALL the debts and damage it caused.

31604 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mark, 7, #67 of 511 🔗

He’s really going to suffer if they slash his state pension, isn’t he?
Unlike the rest of us, including today’s youngies, when they become oldies.

31572 Cheezilla, 2, #68 of 511 🔗

Well presumably the parents have gobs of dosh to buy spare school clothes and they obviously have a washing machine at home.

“It would be a great shame if a combination of unfounded fears over the virus and a proposed well-meaning change in the law were to consign yet another of our traditions to the scrapheap.”

Vomit vomit vomit.

31579 SaveTheShops, 1, #69 of 511 🔗

I read a copy of The Times about a week ago, M.Parris had a column on the first page of the opinion section, he was starting to realise then that lockdown was the wrong move.

31580 Biker, replying to Biker, 5, #70 of 511 🔗

Surely there can’t be anything wrong with the Tranny film Lawrence of A Labia.

31767 ▶▶ Edgar Friendly, replying to Biker, #71 of 511 🔗

I think you must be talking about the Japanese version?

31582 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 15, #72 of 511 🔗

Jeez man, these are meant to be comments not fucking war and peace. If you want to keep posting like this for god’s sake start your own blog or join a forum, as it slows down the whole damn comments section!

31603 ▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, 7, #73 of 511 🔗

Disagree.bIt would be hard for most of us to get hold of this relevant stuff if it wasn’t posted here.Toby’s list is invaluable, but can’t jump us over paywalls etc.

31623 ▶▶▶ daveyp, replying to annie, 5, #74 of 511 🔗

Problem is though that this is a comments section, not a blog or whole article section. This person has posted over 5,400 word in total straight away after Toby has blogged, and he does it each day making a shit experience for anyone trying to read through these comments, and it slows down the comments sections as comments of this length is not what the comments section is designed for.

31703 ▶▶▶▶ South Coast Worker, replying to daveyp, 4, #75 of 511 🔗

I rarely come to the comments now trying to wade through it all is too much, and these essays certainly don’t help.

31951 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to South Coast Worker, -1, #76 of 511 🔗

You came today though … ?

32021 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ South Coast Worker, replying to John P, #77 of 511 🔗

Would you like a dictionary?

31953 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to daveyp, #78 of 511 🔗

I didn’t read it, though I have no problem with it. You don’t get to police content here.

31584 SaveTheShops, 3, #79 of 511 🔗

They might as well abandon uniform. For the last decade or so it’s been nothing but a money spinner for authoritarian crooks masquerading as head teachers in schools that are less and less interested in teaching and more and more in just brainwashing children into obedience and rote learning for exam grades, being made to take the subjects that will make the school look best in league tables not what would actually help the children in the careers they desire.

31585 SaveTheShops, 1, #80 of 511 🔗

Don’t let all the zealots see this, they’ll try to use it to promote the horrors of veganism, even though we all know that the virus definitely won’t survive cooking.

31587 JohnB, 1, #81 of 511 🔗

Another fucking war and peace, jeez mate just start your own blog and post a link to it!

31590 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 1, #82 of 511 🔗

Stop posting whole fucking articles, just post the bloody link to them.

31641 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JohnB, 1, #83 of 511 🔗

Unfortunately its behind a paywall so we can’t all read it. HA has posted the link before the article so you can click on that.

31934 ▶▶▶ daveyp, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #84 of 511 🔗

Problem is you still have to trawl through all the articles he’s posting, and the oldest posts by default always appear at the top of the comments.

31961 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #85 of 511 🔗

Then PAY UP if you really want to read it. It surely doesn’t cost the earth!!

31958 ▶▶ John P, replying to JohnB, 1, #86 of 511 🔗

Have to say, I’m beginning to see your point …

32020 ▶▶ Shep, replying to JohnB, 1, #87 of 511 🔗

long poems are tedious too)

31591 JohnB, 2, #88 of 511 🔗

Not another whole article, give us a break man. Are you posting the whole of today’s Telegraph?

31592 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 1, #89 of 511 🔗

FFS, another whole article, just do the link to it.

31605 ▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, 2, #90 of 511 🔗

But could they do us for copyright violation?

31957 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, -2, #91 of 511 🔗


31593 JohnB, 4, #92 of 511 🔗

Yet another full article posted, this is ridiculous

31595 Saved To Death, replying to Saved To Death, 26, #93 of 511 🔗

I came across a very interesting comment regarding social isolation on a off-guardian article here:


Its all very interesting but I draw your attention to the following part

When a person is isolated for long enough, Lilly wrote, they tend to absorb signal data on demand. Under these conditions there can be an “injection of outside data” into the “inside generators,” with re-programming developing. [1]

Put simply? One can turn human beings into brain-washed robots simply by socially isolating them for short periods of time.

Perhaps then this can help to explain that while the risk posed to most from the virus recedes from very little to essentially zero we see people seeming to become ever more insane and neurotic. Not only have they been bombarded via the MSM with covid terror their social isolation has made them more likely to absorb this information without question. They have been very effectively brainwashed by the combination. The cynic in me even considers if this was intentional from the start.

31606 ▶▶ annie, replying to Saved To Death, 9, #94 of 511 🔗

Wasn’t that Stalin’s technique during the Purges? Isolate the victim ( a resolute and courageous opponent – would have had to be) p, bombard him with bullying propaganda, make him fear for his life, and after a few days he will shamble into court and confess to anything.
But even Stalin didn’t practise this fiendish technique on the entire population.

31656 ▶▶▶ daveyp, replying to annie, 14, #95 of 511 🔗

The “Clap for the NHS” is very much like the clapping at Stalin’s speeches, which went on for ages as the first person(s) seen to stop clapping would be shot as they weren’t true Communists. Compare this to the outing of neighbours on social media for not supporting the NHS by not clapping on a Thursday. The next one will be labelling people for not taking a knee on the doorstep or at work.

31681 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to daveyp, 5, #96 of 511 🔗

They had to ring a bell to make them stop clapping and sit down again.

31733 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to daveyp, #97 of 511 🔗

if it gets to the point that you must take the knee I will comply a la Bruce Forsyth

31738 ▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #98 of 511 🔗

Bend the knee, not ‘take the knee’

31973 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Winston Smith, #99 of 511 🔗

I prefer taking the p

31783 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to daveyp, 1, #100 of 511 🔗

Spot on.

31972 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, #101 of 511 🔗

“But even Stalin didn’t practise this fiendish technique on the entire population.”

Might I suggest that you read up on the gulags?

I’m a Russophile, but even I have nothing good to say about Stalin.

31607 ▶▶ Marcus, replying to Saved To Death, 12, #102 of 511 🔗

Probably pretty valid, although terrorisation through propaganda, or as SAGE put it “ the perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging” appears to have been effective enough on the gullible 90% isolated or not

31624 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Saved To Death, 15, #103 of 511 🔗

We also think this lockup has many of the features of torture. So many of the techniques are there: the isolation, the fear, the lies, the suspicion, the snitching, the arbitrary and conflicting information, the horrible rituals – the briefings, the clapping. Even this bizarre ‘woke revolution’ seems to be part of it, somehow.

It’s subtle and insidious and, we’ve found, it makes you doubt your own judgement. It can also make you think you’re alone in it. We constantly have to remind ourselves that we’re not. There’s this site, off-Guardian, UK Column, dear old nutty (but basically right) Vernon Coleman and many, many more online. We have to keep reminding ourselves that, although in a minority, we do come across other LSs unexpectedly in queues, at bus-stops (before we had to stop using PT) etc.

BTW, don’t fall for the idea that the ludicrous ‘alert levels’ are anything to do with incompetence. If they meant anything, we’d be at Level 1 but they were never meant to make sense, just to control and confuse us, 2m rule and ‘following the science’, likewise

We are in the conspiracy not cock-up camp, there’s too much evidence of planning (Event 201, the Govt’s ‘repurposing’ documents, the Behavioural Insights Team, Bill Gates’ buying off of so many institutions and much more.)

If you haven’t already done so, read the excellent ‘hyper-rationality’ article in the sidebar links. It makes a lot of sense in the context of how people behave after their heads have been done in!

31648 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #104 of 511 🔗

Still a lot of people out there who just maintain we are all conspiracy theorists, though, despite the mounting evidence that this is a long-planned and coordinated attack on the world’s population (with harder attack on what Andrew of ‘Peerless Reads on youtube would call ‘seats of power’ – ie countries with global political influence, like the UK).

31925 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Carrie, #105 of 511 🔗

That’s a really interesting point, Carrie. It shows that there’s much analysis still to be done!

31796 ▶▶▶ ianric, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #106 of 511 🔗

I agree there is an agenda behind the lockdown and coronavirus is not the reason behind lockdown. What makes me suspicious is that lockdown is a disproportionate reaction to a disease which is not very dangerous and the threat from coronavirus has been massively exaggerated.

There are theories as to why the lockdown was introduced and what is striking how the effects of lockdown match these theories exactly. David Icke suggested the plan is to kill small and medium businesses so that big businesses have a monopoly and buy the assets of bankrupt businesses. The lockdown has crippled businesses as they have gone for at least almost three months not being unable to operate. Smal businesses don’t have the cash reserves to go for long periods unable to trade. The supermarkets and Amazon are getting trade from closed businesses eg supermarkets get increased alcohol sales as people can’t use pubs. David Icke also suggested the plan is to deliberately create mass unemployment and take people’s financial independence and make them dependent on the state through a basic income which will have conditions. If the conditions are broken eg you protest your basic income is taken away and this will be used as a tool to control the population. Tony Benn argued unemployment is used as a tool of social control. The lockdown is a perfect way of creating mass unemployment. The Scottish government have suggested bringing in a basic income.

Vernon Coleman suggested that oil is becoming scarce and the lockdown is designed to preserve oil supplies. The lockdown has reduced the demand for oil.

31824 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to ianric, 1, #107 of 511 🔗

I am convinced this virus is a convenient weapon to use against us. The facts are the majority are completely taken in by it. Whether it will work a second time remains to be seen.

31994 ▶▶▶▶▶ ianric, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #108 of 511 🔗

Lockdown is a nasty tool used against. The term lockdown is used in prisons when prisoners are confined to their cells. Under lockdown your life is taken away from you. Many can’t run their business or go to work. Until recently you couldn’t meet family and friends from outside your household and now you can only meet in limited circumstances. Leisure activities such as pubs, eating out, concerts, festivals and travel are not allowed. The country has become a giant prison.

32032 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Bella Donna, #109 of 511 🔗

I’ve thought this from the word go and sometimes on here felt pretty isolated. You know: ‘one of them conspiracy theorists’. Gratified to see that others are expressing this to one degree or another in greater numbers now.

31861 ▶▶▶▶ Marion, replying to ianric, 2, #110 of 511 🔗

I don’t think oil is becoming scarce- there is an awful lot of it, even in countries like Venezuela, so I’ve been told by a friend who has worked in the industry all his life, and also through my reading around the subject of energy.

I do try to hope that this is just a massive panic and that the government is simply, dishonestly, desperately trying to save face, because otherwise I would absolutely despair and somehow we have to keep our spirits up. Sometimes I think I shouldn’t read this site as it’s like being constantly reminded of how idiotic everything is at the moment. But I enjoy the comments and the articles…

Went for a nice long walk in the lovely sunshine today and almost home, having forgotten about all the nonsense, here comes a youngish man in mask and gloves. It was like a slap in the face.

31988 ▶▶▶▶▶ ianric, replying to Marion, 1, #111 of 511 🔗

I personally don’t agree with Vernon Coleman’s view oil is scarce but if you wanted to preserve oil by reducing demand lockdown is the perfect way of doing this.

32031 ▶▶▶▶▶ Shep, replying to Marion, #112 of 511 🔗

I am not afraid of the future, hope that sentiment is shared by everyone on this forum)

31881 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ianric, 1, #113 of 511 🔗

Good but extremely chilling summary of the situation.

32029 ▶▶▶ Shep, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #114 of 511 🔗

last american vagabond is a youtube channel that covers the American angle well.

32015 ▶▶ A leaf, replying to Saved To Death, #115 of 511 🔗

Of course it was intentional

31599 A leaf, 5, #116 of 511 🔗

Up up up ! ( Clapping )

31600 CarrieAH, 17, #117 of 511 🔗

This is likely horribly selfish but I won’t pay for something I didn’t ask for and utterly disagree with – lockdown. I need what money I have to look after myself in my old age because I won’t trust any government to do that. Any government which tries to steal from my savings account like Cyprus did a few years ago, will immediately lose my vote and what money I have left will be transferred abroad. Of course, next on the list would then be capital controls. Watch out for those. In the early 70s we could only take a small amount of money on holiday abroad with us.

31602 annie, 9, #118 of 511 🔗

So they might start thinking about treating more trivial maladies, such as cancer?

31608 Marcus, 11, #119 of 511 🔗

Loved the How to stay safe video, absolutely nails it and really funny. Loads I could quote, but in particular:

(2:37) “And the only thing I have to sacrifice is my freedom, human connection, adventure and my personal sovereignty”

“Your protection has become your prison, you’re definitely safe in there. And it looks good on you”

“Thank you!”

As it’s looked to a sceptic since day 1 (whenever that was)

31611 Tim Bidie, 9, #120 of 511 🔗

The government’s defence against the lockdown legal challenge is that wide margins of legality are acceptable in respect of government decision-making based on scientific evidence.

Hmmmm……wasn’t lockdown based on a model?

The computer model was huge—it analyzed every river, sewer treatment plant and drinking-water intake (the places in rivers where municipalities draw their water) in the country.’

‘When I presented the results to the EPA official in charge, he said that I should go back and “sharpen my pencil.”

‘After three iterations I finally blurted out, “What number are you looking for?” He didn’t miss a beat: He told me that he needed to show $2 billion of benefits to get the program renewed.’

‘I realized that my work for the EPA wasn’t that of a scientist, at least in the popular imagination of what a scientist does. It was more like that of a lawyer. My job, as a modeler, was to build the best case for my client’s position.’


31612 Nobody2020, 4, #121 of 511 🔗

Found this on Quora, article isn’t available in UK so I took a screenshot.

“The U.S. Army tested a cohort 640 new recruits and instructors for COVID-19 upon arrival at Fort Benning, Ga. All but four tested negative. Eight days after training started, 142 of them retested positive.”

142/640 = 22.18%

Could be coincidence but I’m sure we’ve seen this 20% saturation figure before.

31615 Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 9, #122 of 511 🔗

Well he might just as well argue that the lockdown was instigated to protect the morbidly obese so they should give up all the money they spend on pies to help the recovery

31620 ▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 2, #123 of 511 🔗

Or even (whisper it), the BAME “community”! Wonder what would happen to Parris if he so much as hinted at such a thing?

31617 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #124 of 511 🔗

For anybody looking to get past the paywall for articles copy and past the URL here:


Sometimes you need to shorten the URL using this first:


I’ll leave it up to your conscience as to whether it’s ok to do or not.

31625 ▶▶ daveyp, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #125 of 511 🔗

Thanks for posting this, hopefully it will stop people from posting the whole damn article.

31644 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to daveyp, 4, #126 of 511 🔗

Yes, a link plus brief quote from article, or summary of what it is about is sufficient, especially when the article is long. However, I do appreciate articles behind a paywall being reproduced in full – Allison Pearson and Sherelle Jacobs, for example, usually write articles that are worth reading.

31647 ▶▶▶▶ daveyp, replying to Carrie, 4, #127 of 511 🔗

These full articles should be removed as they are breaking copyright law too, which could land Toby in a load of trouble.

31657 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to daveyp, 1, #128 of 511 🔗

Is he aware? I know he sometimes comments here, but I doubt he has time to read everything..

31661 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ daveyp, replying to Carrie, 3, #129 of 511 🔗

I thought he had some minions who administer the site? This is why you need administrators to police the posts, like on forums, so that you don’t end up getting done for libel or copyright.

32038 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Nobody2020, #130 of 511 🔗

Doesn’t work for the Telegraph anymore, at least for me and it did once.

31618 TJN, replying to TJN, 8, #131 of 511 🔗

A few weeks ago I suggested on The Spectator site that the lockdown was the worst British government policy since 1930s appeasement.

Can anyone here suggest anything worse, or equivalent?

Granted, the Iraq War was bad, and led to many hundreds of thousands of collateral Iraqi deaths. But if what we read is correct then the Western lockdowns are going to lead to countless Third World deaths.

I don’t know enough about the 1947 Indian Independence to offer an informed comparison; but again, if we consider the effect of the lockdowns on the Third World it may be hard to make the comparative case for lockdowns.

31621 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to TJN, 26, #132 of 511 🔗

I can’t remember a time in my 40+ years of life where I instantly thought “WTF are you doing?” when they implemented a lockdown. Every instinct within me thought it was the stupidest thing I’d ever seen and as time has passed this feeling has only gotten stronger.

31697 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #133 of 511 🔗

For me, joining the ERM was one such moment – like lockdown, right away, as soon as I heard about it, I instinctively felt it was wrong.

But the negative consequences of the ERM were trivial compared with the soon-to-appear economic fallout from lockdown.

31708 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #134 of 511 🔗

Yes, same here – and it was such a disappointment after FatBoJo seemed to have started so well down the Sweden-like pathway. For the first time since the general election, I felt encouraged by one of his policies – then I woke (no quote marks, note!) up.

31885 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to IanE, #135 of 511 🔗

He, Whitty and Vallance were all on the same page, then suddenly it was just like witness tampering.

32036 ▶▶▶▶▶ Shep, replying to Cheezilla, #136 of 511 🔗

can’t have government tangled up with Bill Gates, end up in the shit as we will see….

31724 ▶▶▶ Mike Smith, replying to Nobody2020, 10, #137 of 511 🔗

I assumed it would be for a week or two, three at the most. “To give the NHS time to prepare”. Not the end of the world.
Now after three months I just have contempt for the government, and for the opposition. Nothing is based on science or reason. It’s like they gave everybody in the country an exam, and the very best were supposed to get to run the country. But something went wrong and the ones in charge are now the ones who did worst at the exam. Who even are these people?

31633 ▶▶ daveyp, replying to TJN, 7, #138 of 511 🔗

Like you said Iraq war and “The War on Terror” was a major mistake and still affects the instability of the world globally today.

The major one during my lifetime was the “Poll Tax” and the riots, but nothing has been as long and as nonsensical as this lockdown which has destroyed the economy, killed 60,000 people, destroyed normal social interactions, caused people to report each other to authorities, lost huge amounts of our civil liberties, sown the seeds of division between races, and all without virtually no protest at all from the population.

31670 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to daveyp, 7, #139 of 511 🔗

I can’t think, misconceived though they were, the Poll Tax, and The War on Terror were actually as bad, in terms of lives lost and economic and political damage. The lockdown is in a class of its own.

31639 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to TJN, 22, #140 of 511 🔗

Yes, I keep hearing people adding qualifications like “…in peacetime”. Really, I don’t think it needs qualifying. This is the worst decision made by a British government ever, made worse by the fact that they initially put forward the best plan ever: herd immunity tempered with a bit of social distancing. Boris had his Churchill moment handed to him on a plate and he just curled up in a ball and whimpered. I don’t believe he had a bad case of Covid, but simply a mental breakdown.

Anyone else struck by the oddness of his “litres and litres of oxygen” description? It’s like saying of being shot at, “grammes and grammes of lead were heading towards me”. To me it sounds exactly like a person trying to convince a listener that they’ve been ill by invoking “the science” rather than a person describing an actual experience.

31642 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #141 of 511 🔗

How long will ‘peacetime’ last, if the lockdown continues? Already not really peaceful any more.. I am more and more beginning to believe that Boris was ‘got at’ while he was ill..

31671 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Carrie, 3, #142 of 511 🔗

I think the problems were already there, embedded, long before Johnson got ill.

31675 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Carrie, 2, #143 of 511 🔗

I seriously doubt that it will last. Give it another month or two people will have enough and what will happen can make the 2011 riots look like a picnic.

31711 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Carrie, 4, #144 of 511 🔗

Although he had already let HS2 progress; given a green light to Huawei; pushed Net Zero; and decided to ban sales of petrol and hybrid cars from 2030/2035: what a Carrie-on!

31666 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #145 of 511 🔗

I agree with much of your first paragraph, but much as I despise the lockdown surely the 1930s appeasement was worse!

I will have breathed a few litres of air while typing this, which will have included about a litre of oxygen.

31727 ▶▶▶▶ Mike Smith, replying to TJN, 6, #146 of 511 🔗

Well done on the breathing. We’re lucky, of course, to have the science to back us up on this. How our ancestors managed to breathe without the science, and without metrification either, I will never understand.

31888 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TJN, #147 of 511 🔗

You’re not wearing a mask then?

32012 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Cheezilla, #148 of 511 🔗

I actually wore a mask for a short while yesterday – while sanding painted woodwork in a very enclosed space. I’ll make the concession for that. I don’t understand how anyone can wear them for long periods, at least without realising they must be doing harm.

I’m certainly not wearing one to appease prats like Shapps or Hancock though.

31689 ▶▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #149 of 511 🔗

A doctor writes , If you go into hospital with any respiratory or cardiac problem on go the nasal specs with two litres a minute of oxygen given..so everyone gets litres and litres . You will find these nasal specs often hanging around the neck when you visit the patient as they leave then there after tucking into their not so tasty NHS fish pie and peas.

I suspect the reason that bojo was moved to ITU was because the private wing in St Thomases was a long way from where he could be safely dealt with. ie logistics.

31704 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Peter Thompson, 5, #150 of 511 🔗

I also think the choice of his carers was not an accident.. two non-Brits, at least one of whose residency rights (the NZ one) could easily have been ‘threatened’ if they did not agree to keep quiet..

31645 ▶▶ mjr, replying to TJN, 10, #151 of 511 🔗

the direction this government is taking us re zero carbon by 2050 which will basically bankrupt the economy if it ever gets past this covid debacle.
anyone who is sceptic about covid should also be sceptic about the whole “climate disaster” issue and should read up.
This is an excellent blog
or refer to GWPF

31646 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, #152 of 511 🔗
31678 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mjr, 5, #153 of 511 🔗

The Climate nonsense was nonsense in the 1970s (when the next ice age was coming by 1980) and it’s still nonsense now (when we’re all going to die from heat exhaustion).

31693 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to mjr, 3, #154 of 511 🔗

Clearly, climate policy has the potential to be a disaster, either way. But we are talking about the future, and those policies aren’t actually reality yet. Lockdown and its consequences are now firmly baked in the pie.

Perhaps one good thing to come out of lockdowns is that people will be far more sceptical about climate models.

31771 ▶▶▶ Marion, replying to mjr, 2, #155 of 511 🔗

I have read many, many books, articles and blogs and watched many presentations on line about the man made climate change hoax. I have a great interest in this, that’s why I read and watch so much about it, but really, anyone would only have to spend a few hours looking into it to know that it is all absolute lies and idiocy. My neighbour who was a engineer now retired (he is 92 – very sound of mind and body) will sometimes talk to me about it but as he is quite ‘woke’ for an old person I don’t really let rip about how foolish it all is. All the same he says that well, one group of scientists say one thing, another lot say another thing, so how is the lay person to know? I have been thinking about his view lately as I have heard it more often, and I’ve concluded that you have to look at the backgrounds of the particular scientists and also the cut of their jib, as it were. It seems to me that the most sound, knowledgeable and learned are saying what a load of lies the man made warming baloney is. And the other side’s scientists are supported by Tony Blair, Al Gore and Al ‘Boris’ Johnson and any other inept and mendacious politician around the world you could care to mention. So there we are.

31672 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to TJN, 3, #156 of 511 🔗

The only thing I can compare the imposition of the lockdown to is the decision by Hitler to attack the Soviet Union in 1941.

31690 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #157 of 511 🔗

Yes, that was rather silly. But I did limit my post to British governments!

31784 ▶▶▶▶ Marion, replying to TJN, 2, #158 of 511 🔗

The worst was the creation of the nhs. Many people think that before 1948 people were dying in the streets, totally unable to afford a doctor. This isn’t true, many people paid insurance, and the poorest were helped by the many charities that were set up for this purpose, no one was denied medical care, no one was bankrupted by a medical emergency.

Also, by 1948 the general population was becoming much healthier and there were fewer diseases that killed young children (this is before mass vaccination – diseases like measles and whooping cough were dying out anyway because of better diets and housing and more knowledge about hygiene over the previous century). Nye Bevan the labour politician in charge of it all boasted that ‘I stuffed their (the doctors’) mouths with gold,’ when he nationalised all the hospitals that had been caring for the country’s sick successfully until his government’s intervention. The doctors had argued against the implementation of the nhs, but Bevan told them they could carry on seeing private patients…so from the start the nhs was a two tier system, and one, because of mass bureaucracy, that is very much more inefficient than the locally organised one it replaced.

The nhs is a socialist system that relies on rationing, hence the queues for treatment, just as we had to queue for everything during the war. I believe it is a terrible legacy of the ideas and mind set of those 1940’s labour (many near communist) politicians that set it up and that is why it is so inefficient to the point of cruelty.

32006 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Marion, #159 of 511 🔗

The NHS. That’s an interesting one I hadn’t thought of. I suppose the counterfactuals of the NHS never having been formed are difficult to argue through without an awful lot of research. But if the case could be proven that it was bad for the nation’s health then it could be shown to be a policy error on a par with the covid-19 fiasco.

Even then though, the harm would have been almost entirely limited to the UK – unlike the lockdown policies which we are plausibly told will cause havoc in the Third World.

31699 ▶▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #160 of 511 🔗

Maybe but i think he felt that a quick victory would solve all his problems. Underestimating the resolve of the Russian people was his mistake. A better parallel is the Great War , easy to start but impossible to stop, and this destroyed societies .

31735 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to TJN, 2, #161 of 511 🔗

in situations like this my late Father would say it was “the biggest balls up since Mons”

32008 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to crimsonpirate, #162 of 511 🔗

Yes, but the covid-19 policies have surely been worse than a ‘balls up’ – rather they have revealed something fundamentally wrong and purifying at the heart of our institutions.

31781 ▶▶ annie, replying to TJN, 5, #163 of 511 🔗

Worse than anything I can remember hearing about in the entire history of mankind.
Because Man is a social animal, and if you destroy that, you abolish mankind.

32007 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, #164 of 511 🔗

Yes, probably you can’t actually destroy mankind as a social animal.

Repress in the short term perhaps, as the lockdown has; but eventually he or she finds other ways. I’ve socialised since the lockdown, except in different ways, and it’s meant building up new contacts – this site for example.

In many ways even muzzle wearing is a sort of socialising – essentially people saying ‘look at me; look how virtuous I am’.

31619 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #165 of 511 🔗

Yesterday I went out for a walk for the first time in a few days. Today I have a sniffly nose. Highly anecdotal but there’s a good chance everyone who’s been confined for a while will be catching minor bugs simply through lack of exposure once they start venturing out more.

31636 ▶▶ daveyp, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #166 of 511 🔗

Water samples in Italy have shown that the virus was present in December 2019:


31683 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to daveyp, 4, #167 of 511 🔗

weren’t they also found in french blood samples taken in December

As someone in here suggested – maybe March was the long anticipated second wave

31705 ▶▶ Graham, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #168 of 511 🔗

Probably pollen.

31762 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Graham, #169 of 511 🔗

Possibly but I’ve never had an issue with pollen/hayfever before. The idea of being allergic to nature seems odd to me but that’s probably just me.

31780 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #170 of 511 🔗

Hay fever can come in you at any age. A nuisance ,but not fatal.

31793 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Nobody2020, #171 of 511 🔗


31626 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #172 of 511 🔗

I would be more than happy to see whole articles from the DT – which I can’t quite justify subscribing to. I keep seeing references to Sherelle Jacobs’ articles that I wish I could read…

31662 ▶▶ daveyp, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #173 of 511 🔗

Problem is it ruins the user experience on here, and makes a mockery of the comments section, plus copyright laws which could end up getting the site taken down or lead to the banning of comments.

31742 ▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #174 of 511 🔗

I subscribe for the moment just whilst this nonsense is still going on! If you want me to take a screen shot of any article and post it here for you, I will – providing Toby is ok with that. I’m not sure if that breaks any rules or not?

31875 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #175 of 511 🔗

I recently took out a 3-month intro subscription to the Torygraph. It cost £3 total for the three months.
I disagree strongly with paywalls, so I won’t be continuing the subscription but it’s handy for now and hopefully lockdown will be over when it expires.

I don’t know if HA is deliberately being a troll, or if the thinks he’s being helpful by posting paywalled articles. It would be more useful if he bothered to just post the relevant bits instead!

31932 ▶▶▶ daveyp, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #176 of 511 🔗

I’ve noticed that he always posts about 10 of them as soon as Toby posts his daily update, so you always end up having to trawl through shit loads of text each time to find any posts. Total pain in the arse!

31627 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 2, #177 of 511 🔗

Somewhere in comments yesterday there was an an article pasted about a horrific-sounding new law passed in the Netherlands about older people not being allowed to touch their grandchildren inside their own homes for a year. It also mentioned a lockdown protest of 10,000 people being banned in a major city. I have googled this for confirmation but it doesn’t come up anywhere. Anyone know if this was fake news…or what??

31640 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Melangell, 1, #178 of 511 🔗

Think the bit re the protest being banned is true – someone posted an article on this comment board last night (possibly on yesterday’s comments board? Can’t remember..)

31629 daveyp, 4, #179 of 511 🔗

I was doing some work for a company yesterday and a woman in the office was constantly coughing. People in the office were worried about this, and many chinese whispers were going on. They convened a meeting, without this woman’s knowledge, at which is was discussed, and it was decided that the woman’s manager would approach her to tell her to go home and told her that she needs to be tested for Coronavirus as well.

She is now not allowed to return until the results of the test are done, and if it’s positive, I was told they will probably have to close the business as all office staff would’ve been within close proximity of her at some point.

31630 mjr, 7, #180 of 511 🔗

can you post the spurs v man united match report.. I would also love to read this here as well . and maybe the crossword.

31631 mjr, replying to mjr, #181 of 511 🔗

FYI .. Any Questions last night (repeated later today)

31638 ▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, 3, #182 of 511 🔗

whoops… anyway, Any Questions last night. Worth a listen. decent panel, increasing scepticism.
first question from a doctor and mother “why cant we get the kids back to school tomorrow?” some ifs and buts from panel.
also a black london school head who completely dismissed the BLM movement .
only damp patch was the conservative minister who could not give a positive or definite answer to any question and basically summed up the current government
As does this clip of the last cabinet meeting (thanks spike)

31892 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mjr, #183 of 511 🔗

That would be a more efficient Cabinet.

31634 Hoppity, replying to Hoppity, 2, #184 of 511 🔗

About the idea that smoking tobacco can protect against certain afflictions:

When I was growing up (I reached the age of 18 in 1974), I suffered so badly from hayfever (eyes like tennis balls, weals on my skin if I walked through long grass, etc.), that I used have to stay indoors a lot. It was the easiest (and least sleepy) thing to do — as anyone with a bad allergy knows, the symptoms can be exhausting.

Anyway, at 18 I went off to university, and eventually started smoking, in an effort to be as cool as I thought everyone else was. It wasn’t until many years later, watching my son going through the same seasonal miseries, that I realised that, somewhere along the way, I had as good as ‘grown out’ of hay fever altogether.

When I thought back, I realised that the hayfever had disappeared as soon as I’d started smoking. I think I still put this down to the likelihood that the allergens could no longer get into my system, because of the lining of soot, tar, etc. throughout my respiratory tract. I stopped smoking about 30 years ago, but I still don’t get hay fever.

31765 ▶▶ Marion, replying to Hoppity, 2, #185 of 511 🔗

I think it is something your either grow out of, or grow into. I never ever had any allergies until last year, when I was 57. None this year, perhaps it was a particular pollen in the air that is not so prevalent this year…

31635 Awkward Git, #186 of 511 🔗

Same playbook used in the USA a few months ago, wondered how long ti would take to the UK to do the same.

31637 Mark, replying to Mark, 11, #187 of 511 🔗

Canal tow-path exercise: ‘I can’t socially distance’
It’s easy to laugh at these people who are so irrationally concerned about “social distancing”, which even if you take the covid disease seriously should never have been taken as more than aspirational guidance to be achieved when not disruptive to do so. It should never have been taken as something that should be allowed to interfere with actually important issues, such as getting on with work and life. And it was always literally ridiculous to worry about it outdoors, in the context of passing people by, in any case.

The sanctimony and obnoxious zealotry of these fear-filled people is annoying. But the real villains are still the government, first and foremost, and close behind them their enablers in the media, including, in the first rank of villainy, the BBC itself, who have endlessly and repetitively pushed this misinformation on people who are stupid, ignorant or irrational enough to fall for it.

31651 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to Mark, 11, #188 of 511 🔗


which I find one of the most chilling articles I have read throughout the whole coronapanic business. It describes how a governmental advisory group,the ‘Scientific Pandemic Influenza group on Behaviour,’ or SPI-B, advised the government to instruct the media to go all out in terrifying audiences into abject obedience.

31668 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Melangell, 4, #189 of 511 🔗

And the great thing is that the smoking gun is on a government web site, so can’t be dismissed as ‘conspiracy theory’.

31700 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #190 of 511 🔗

I’m presuming Simon Dolan has been given all this info? Useful for his case!

31709 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Carrie, 2, #191 of 511 🔗

Can someone get him (or other people with large followings) or tweet the bit that is on the government website? Might wake a few people up?

31778 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Carrie, 4, #192 of 511 🔗

It’s been public for some time, thanks to Simon D.

Most nauseating of all is the complete indifference to people as individuals.They are seen as an amorphous, unresisting mass to be poked and prodded into the correct shape.
Even more nauseating: that’s exactly what the zombies turned out to be.

C.S. Lewis foresaw it all in the 1940s. See, inter alia, That Hideous Strength , in which a repulsive (female, sadistic, lesbian) police chief assures the anti-hero sociologist that ‘the great heart of the British public’ can be made into ‘whatever we want it to be’.

31659 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 23, #193 of 511 🔗

Just had one woman swerve into the road with her child in a pram to avoid me. Pavement was plenty wide enough for both of us and the pram.

I just feel complete and utter contempt for someone who would rather they and their child be hit by a car than momenatarily share a bit of air with another human being.

31677 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to kh1485, 4, #194 of 511 🔗

Unfortunately natural selection is nature

31741 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to kh1485, 4, #195 of 511 🔗

I had a mum with 2 kids accuse me of not valuing my child’s life because rather than standing in the middle of the road waiting to be hit by a truck, we continued to cross despite the fact there was another human being on the other side.

31667 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mark, 5, #196 of 511 🔗

Yup. Can’t socially distance on the canal towpath? Don’t use them then. Problem solved.

31895 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #197 of 511 🔗

The article explains the lack of alternative green spaces.
I think that woman should be on intravenous valium though. She has “anxiety” about everything. How precious!

31739 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mark, 12, #198 of 511 🔗

Why the f**k are people who are terrified of walking past other humans at close quarters taking their exercise on a narrow canal tow path??

My best and most ridiculous social distancing experiencing – walking along a long narrow alley, a family of 4 approaches. As they get closer, the father barks “Everyone, look right!”. The family dutifully crane their necks over their right shoulders to get their faces as far away as they can from my obvious contagion…

31759 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #199 of 511 🔗

where according to the traditional joke, there should be a couple of dogs making puppies …

31649 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #200 of 511 🔗

With the social distancing 2m “guideline” looking more an more likely to be reduced does this mean Whitty and Vallance are going to resign as they threatened to last week or do they think the masses memory is that short it’s been forgotten?

How do we remind them?

Or were they just bluffing to try and keep things going as they were to continue Bill Gates narrative?

31655 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #201 of 511 🔗

Probably the latter, protecting their future jobs – isn’t Whitty supposed to be moving to the WHO soon? And Vallance worked for GlaxoSmithKline – probably still getting money from them and I believe they are also linked to Gates. Mind you, is there anyone who ISN’T linked to Gates?????

31737 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Awkward Git, #202 of 511 🔗

I didn’t know they’d threatened to resign. Over the 2m rule?

31790 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to A. Contrarian, #203 of 511 🔗

Yes, it was reported in the Daily mail last week – i know, not the greatest place for info.

Trying to find the link that actually stated they did threaten to resign it is not appearing and most hits seems to be worded that it all happened behind the scenes:


31897 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #204 of 511 🔗

The typos suggest it’s not the most professional publication?

However, it suggests that essentially they are trying to blackmail Boris by threatening to resign?
Good riddance I say. He can put all the blame on them and we can get on with salvaging what’s left of the economy.

31896 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, #205 of 511 🔗

If you read the article about the psychological effects of social isolation, you won’t be surprised if people’s memories turn out to be that short.
Don’t forget there was a normal flu epidemic during the election and people have completely forgotten about that!

31650 Carrie, 3, #206 of 511 🔗

YES! A short extract will do, plus link, then people can decide whether or not they want to read the whole thing. Certain exceptions for important articles that are behind a paywall – as someone else mentioned, Sherelle Jacobs’ articles are always worth reading! Spectator articles are often good too.

31660 daveyp, replying to daveyp, 10, #207 of 511 🔗

A company sent me an email yesterday bigging up their commitment to BLM, showing a picture of a list of commitments held by their Chief Exec of People (yes, this really was the persons job title!).and that staff were so supportive of the cause that 2,000 employees attended the online meeting.

The thing is though, 2,000 employees didn’t attend the meeting because they were supportive of the cause, 2,000 people attended the meeting as if they didn’t follow the narrative they knew that their ticket would be marked and they would be labelled as a racists, whose views don’t supposedly match their virtuous employer and would be likely to lose their job if they didn’t, or have to go re-education!

31748 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to daveyp, 1, #208 of 511 🔗

Remember a year or two back: “Pigs in blankets fry them like bacon”. Yes a BLM chant, and the sniper shootings of police as well. Funny how all that got forgotten.

31663 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 7, #209 of 511 🔗

So we are now half way through the year and the keen fans of the festive season start ringing round to find a suitable venue for the Christmas bash except…it will be a little different this year.Will Whittey and Vallance allow us to celebrate Christmas or will it be only if it is held in the local park with strict social distancing and the crackers disinfected?

You may think that it is 6 months away but I found out today that another organised social event I had intended to go to in late September had been cancelled because the organisers were told from police sources that ” social distancing ” would probably still be in place.

The univeristies, sports organisers and schools are under the impression that social distancing is mandatory for another year.

Anyway Saturday today ; anyone going shopping ? Being treated as a leper sort of puts me off.

31673 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Peter Thompson, 2, #210 of 511 🔗

Christmas is too be banned under the ‘new normal’ regulations to protect the vulnerable – we will instead celebrate NHS-mas arround easter (also banned due to type 2 regs) time by clapping and banging and looking like dicks – just outside our front doors. No presents, that might spread the fun virus

31782 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Major Panic, #211 of 511 🔗

It’ll probably being the the fucking idiots by me who moo out their windows at 6:30pm every night. Thankfully it’s stopped now but a few lunatics still persist.

31680 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Peter Thompson, 7, #212 of 511 🔗

Never been a big fan of shopping trips anyway, and I simply won’t do any while all this coronapanic nonsense lasts. I can manage with online purchases and daily walks to my local coop – fortunately one where the coronapanic bollocks has never been intrusive and I haven’t yet had to queue to get in like some Soviet Bloc supplicant.

31682 ▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Peter Thompson, 5, #213 of 511 🔗

I will certainly be social distancing in September. I’ll be in Greece so approximately 1800 miles socially distanced 😉 Seriously, that’s ridiculous. I truly do think it will all have fallen apart by then, with maybe the occasional exception of someone who goes shopping in full Hazmat gear. Not going shopping. I may possibly attempt Cheshire Oaks sometime next week, but only the one shop that I really need to go to, and even then it will only be if they don’t treat me like a leper. I have my “why I’m not shopping with you today” notes ready to leave in various shops!

31698 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Peter Thompson, 3, #214 of 511 🔗

Who are these ‘police sources’? All this is worth passing on to Simon Dolan – if there is evidence that all this is set to continue come what may – whatever the R number – then that will help his case..

31731 ▶▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Carrie, 6, #215 of 511 🔗

The police have been told that any planned mass gathering whether that is a festival, rally or sports event is not permitted until October at the earliest when the coronavirus act is up for review. this doesn’t of course apply to the BLM who are exempt under the said act.

31749 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Peter Thompson, 1, #216 of 511 🔗

I’m not too fussed by what “dim” Whitty and Vallance advise re Christmas I just know that my Christmas present shopping list is easy- you will either receive a toilet roll or a mask. Would be handy if I could insert a suitable slogan on them

31900 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to crimsonpirate, #217 of 511 🔗

WGAC toilet paper comes already giftwrapped….

31664 Bart Simpson, 2, #218 of 511 🔗

Found this on a friend’s social media page:


Looks like its a new site which launches today. They also have a twitter account:


Let’s spread the word and keep up the pressure folks.

31665 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 11, #219 of 511 🔗

I have a feeling that the 1m rule will come with citizen Khan’s dream of compulsory muzzles in every shop. While I’ll happily boycott Debenhams, HMV etc , I do need a paper and some food from time to time.
On the school social bubbles, I think the idea is the same 30 pupils (when did they become student?) do all lessons together . But while they might do history, geography and English together, they will be set for sums and sciences -so that goes out the window.
On a brighter note hopefully in two weeks time I’ll be busily downloading apps for every pub chain that I intend to visit, umbrella at the ready as it will be raining and noone will be allowed inside the pub lest they “spread the virus”.
On the bus this week, woman in the full kit demands to open all windows to “lower the viral load”. “My” window remained firmly shut.

31679 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to arfurmo, 4, #220 of 511 🔗

If there’s rioting you can bet that Citizen Khant will do a U turn faster than you can say “Covid 19”

He’s proved to be incompetent and useless when it comes to dealing with crime so why advocate muzzling up when it will make solving crime and catching criminals even harder than it already is?

31696 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bart Simpson, #221 of 511 🔗

I do think the government are fed up with Khan – see Mason Mills’ Twitter post last night. What they do (or don’t do) about it is another matter..

31715 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Carrie, #222 of 511 🔗

Watch this space I suppose…

31694 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to arfurmo, #223 of 511 🔗

Pupils are usually set for Modern Languages as well..

31761 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to arfurmo, 5, #224 of 511 🔗

re the pubs opening- I have spoken to one or two landlords and am encouraged that there will be some resistance to some of more outrageous demands of a “safe atmosphere”. Maybe we can start a link on this site to these friendlier pubs when they open. I do realise it might mean the enforcement police can narrow their targets!

31774 ▶▶ annie, replying to arfurmo, 3, #225 of 511 🔗

The viral load consisted of one woman.

31902 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, #226 of 511 🔗

Did people actually respond to the woman’s request? Good grief!!!

32049 ▶▶ Shep, replying to arfurmo, #227 of 511 🔗

really need to demand that the woman gets off the bus)

31676 Mark, replying to Mark, 8, #228 of 511 🔗

The dishonesty of “hate speech” accusations

These were apparently Katie Hopkins’ final offences against the politically intolerant limits of discourse imposed by the social lefties at Twitter. Note that describing them as “promoting hatred” or any such nonsense is pure dishonesty. If anyone is “promoting hatred” it is BLM, and you don’t see Twitter censoring that group’s advocates and apologists. Hopkins’ comments are robust statements of political positions that the leftie elites can’t stand and would like to see it made impossible for anyone to say or to hear said.

On Wednesday Hopkins tweeted: “Today is #whiteoutwednesday. I will shortly be posting a picture of my arse. Thank you. “”

The former Sun columnist wrote : “Dear Marcus Rashford, do you think women should think about how they are going to feed a child before they decide to have it?

“I do not want to pay to feed other people’s kids. You are welcome to. Thank you, Katie Hopkins .””

Twitter explained; “”In this case, the account has been permanently suspended for violations of our Hateful Conduct policy.””

The final tweets that led to Katie Hopkins being kicked off Twitter for good

Of course “hateful conduct” is one of those weasel terms that sounds reasonable but in practice is wide open to being selectively misinterpreted against disliked political positions, as in practice almost invariably occurs. This is exactly what has occurred here, and is the main flaw in the whole disingenuous concept of “hate speech”. Hate speech is just free speech that someone powerful really, really dislikes and wants suppressed.

Lefties try to defend this kind of censorship by claiming it’s just “people” policing their own space. Which of course misses the whole point, besides being rank hypocrisy – if it were a big communications corporation excluding the opinions of a leftist from the public square, most of these.same people would be up in arms.

But conservatives must accept their share of the blame if they allow this to occur without responding. Conservatives have a tendency to decline to defend people like Hopkins because they say uncomfortable things that many conservatives think go a bit far. The result is that we live in a society in which the terms of legitimate debate are limited by the left, and moderate conservatives are defined as extremists because they find themselves at the new limits of what is permissible. And this will continue until conservatives start to take direct action against it, by refusing to accept bodies like Twitter, Facebook and the BBC, that are openly biased in this way. This would require a complete overthrow of the social and political trends of the C20th, in which the right allowed itself to be portrayed by the media establishment as nasty, in contrast to the niceness of the left. That was the weakness, ultimately, that lead to the long victory of the left through the C20th.

Is it going to change? Eventually it will, undoubtedly, but there seem few signs atm. It appears most conservative and neutral figures will again in large part just meekly accept the defenestrations of people like Hopkins and Fox for saying things unacceptable to the left. The further they push unopposed, the harsher will be the backlash. Of course, lefties spent decades claiming that warnings of a backlash against their dominance were just conservative scaremongering, but then came Trump (not even much of a backlash, more just a tiny bit of resistance) and they’ve been distraught to the point of derangement ever since.

31975 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mark, #229 of 511 🔗

Apparently Katie Hopkins has now moved to parler.com, and already amassed a large following there. Seems quite a few people have also started parler accounts, including the Bruges group, James Delingpole, Mason Mills and others – most likely in case they get banned from Twitter!

31982 ▶▶ John P, replying to Mark, 1, #230 of 511 🔗

I started reading her twitter page recently and could see nothing in it for anyone to get upset about.

I suppose it’s possible she toned it down a tad since getting a warning in February, but twitter is policed by left wing PC fanatics.

I was struck when reading replied to her posts by how many individuals thought it reasonable to make some really nasty comments about her.

One characteristic of this mob is that they think their disapproval gives them carte blanche to be abusive. Her critics were a lot more nasty than she was.

31684 Emma, replying to Emma, 3, #231 of 511 🔗

My 19 year old son was summonsed for jury service a couple of weeks ago. In the documents that came with the summons, they explained that jury trials were suspended but they were nevertheless calling people so they would be ready to start in the eventuality that jury trials recommenced. Now he has had another letter saying he is definitely required, on 27th July. This is just our local crown court.

31685 ▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Emma, 6, #232 of 511 🔗

Interesting. So basically the way ahead is already known to some, just not us “normal” folk.

31687 ▶▶▶ Emma, replying to CarrieAH, 1, #233 of 511 🔗

Yes, looks that way. I’ve not seen anything reported or any announcements on this.

31692 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Emma, 4, #234 of 511 🔗

Might be interesting for him to ask *how* they know courts will *definitely* be open on 27th July? Worth passing that info on to Simon Dolan..

31686 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 12, #235 of 511 🔗

A friend just queued for the privilege of shopping in Waitrose. He’d been in previously in the day. The security guy commented “Weren’t you in here earlier?” So, are they now clocking how many times you have been shopping? My friend had the foresight to respond “Yes, I enjoyed the first experience so much, I thought I’d come back” Cue dumbfounded security guard!

Another point about the local Waitrose. There is a lady who works there who is of a certain age. Because of this, they told her to not come to work for 12 weeks (she’s now been away for 13 weeks). What’s more she is not allowed to shop in there either. Not surprisingly she is pretty angry about the way she has been treated (she is a huge asset to their supermarket and has worked there for many years). I am disgusted at their treatment of her, is this any way to treat a loyal and hardworking ‘partner’? Another retailer to add to my list!

31691 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to kh1485, 6, #236 of 511 🔗

Are *either* of those actions actually legal? Has she been officially furloughed or not? Can they really ban her from shopping there?

31707 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Carrie, 2, #237 of 511 🔗

Not sure. I suppose their *justification* is that she’s in the ‘vulnerable’ group. Ordinarily, she is the beating heart of that shop and I’m disgusted on her behalf at the way she has been treated.

31723 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to kh1485, 4, #238 of 511 🔗

Can someone ask Francis Hoar or another lawyer? Furlough aside, they should not be legally able to stop her shopping..

31701 Colin MacDonald, 4, #239 of 511 🔗

You have to dig pretty deep to find a study that suggests smoking is a covid 19 prophylactic. I found one! In a journal called Smoking Related Disease. It says that smokers with covid are more likely to require intensive care. This was based on a study of 140 covid patients in a Wuhan hospital. All the smokers in the study needed intensive care. Both of them. It’s suggestive that less than two percent of covid admissions in this studies were smokers, in a nation where half of the adult male population smoke.
I’m not saying that you should take up smoking by the way! Your risks of dying from covid must be small compared to that of dying from smoking, albeit smoking will kill you in 20 years time, covid might kill you now.

31706 steve, replying to steve, 5, #240 of 511 🔗

Interesting piece about how the Test for CV is done and why it’s so inaccurate.
Apparently the inventor of the test won a novel prize for it but said himself that is cannot be used for testing exactly who has CV!

The test basically amplifies a specific sequence in your blood.

Initially the same so small so they amplify it.

Once it’s amplified about 36 times there is enough in the sample so show a positive test result in say 5% of cases.

However when you amplify it 60 times. EVERYONE -100% of people test positive!!!

From about 27 mins in


31718 ▶▶ jrsm, replying to steve, 2, #241 of 511 🔗

Exactly. That also means that the tiniest contamination of the sample can be amplified millions of times and detected as a positive test result, and that different countries/states can manipulate the number of positive tests by changing the number of rounds of the PCR test, since as far as I know most authorities do not publish the technical specifications of the tests.

32042 ▶▶ djaustin, replying to steve, #242 of 511 🔗

Not quite the definition of what is positive is based on the number of amplifications. That defines sensitivity and specificity. About 32 cycles if I recall. Fun fact, each amplification needs an enzyme (polymerase) and heat. Polymerase isn’t heat stable so the technician had to add more enzyme for each cycle. Eventually after some time searching, a heat stable enzyme was found in a bacteria, and that’s used now in automated machines instead.

31710 Mark, replying to Mark, 41, #243 of 511 🔗

Opening time! Pubs are given the green-light for al fresco garden and street drinking – while hotels, cafes and gyms get set to reopen as scientists clear the way for Boris Johnson to slash two-metre rule
We are being spun by government supporters in the media to be grateful for a reduction in the ongoing gratuitous economic and social self-harm inflicted by this government, and to believe that we must be thankful to “Boris” for insisting that recalcitrant scientists stop being overcautious and allow him to generously reduce this devastating and purposeless rule from 2m (where it never should have been) to 1m or so, where it will still inflict colossal costs, albeit far less than 2m would.

This is simply false. Johnson’s imposition of this social distancing rule has been a huge failure of judgement and leadership on his part, and continuing it at 1m will be as much his personal error and his personal responsibility as was imposing it in the first place.

Never forget. Never forgive.

31712 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 2, #244 of 511 🔗

But would you want to go to a pub that enforces all this crap?

Sorry, off topic Mark, but on Shirtinator how do you increase the font size? Just done my design but can’t see a way of making the font larger. Thanks (sorry, bit of a technophobe!)

31716 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to kh1485, 1, #245 of 511 🔗

Looks like you have to change the box size, by pulling the corner “resize” tab in or out.

I can’t see a way to have different font sizes in the same text box. So if you want different font sizes you’d have to add additional text boxes (which you can do just by clicking “add text” again).

31756 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 1, #246 of 511 🔗

Thanks very much …

31717 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to kh1485, 7, #247 of 511 🔗

And no, I won’t be going to a pub that enforces this nonsense anytime soon.

Though I suspect it won’t be hard to find places that pay lipservice only and ignore it in practice.

31719 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mark, 3, #248 of 511 🔗

I usually go to pubs to have a nice meal but looks like that’s off the menu as well.

My list of places to boycott is getting longer and longer and longer……

That said I think its the smaller places or those outside the centre that will pay lip service.

31725 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #249 of 511 🔗

I agree. And local knowledge will be key to finding the decent places.

But over time it will be harder and harder for the coronapanicking businesses to survive. Only official harassment of the rebels will allow the coronapanickers to keep enough customers.

31728 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mark, 5, #250 of 511 🔗

Many businesses have folded and unfortunately this lockdown and antisocial distancing will hasten the demise of more shops, pubs, restaurants.

If the government wants to halt that, they know what to do.

31772 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 5, #251 of 511 🔗

Well, I can tell you here in our neck of the woods, no-one is doing any social-distancing. The bike-themed cafe across the road from mine is heaving with cyclists and, just a guess here, I don’t think they are from the same household/bubble or whatever the hell it’s called now!

And in my own place, people are getting a bit narky because I am not doing a full menu: first world problems and all that!

31813 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 2, #252 of 511 🔗

According to today’s Times they’ve got to, or they will be swooped on by police patrols and closed down. In other words, every pub landlord is being treated as a hostage to ensure that his customers adhere to rules which he and they know to be effing ridiculous.

31890 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 1, #253 of 511 🔗

There’s going to have to be a mass of police patrols to check each and every pub (or at least the ones that re-open) is adhereing to these rules. And what happens to ‘real’ crime while they’re going about apprehending some poor sod publican who hasn’t ensured that his punters are 6′ apart?

31898 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 1, #254 of 511 🔗

Christmas would have come early for real criminals because the police are diverted elsewhere.

32000 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, #255 of 511 🔗

Police Officers haven’t done real crime for years. They are too busy arranging what to do on pride day, and arresting people for looking and talking to someone in the wrong way.

32060 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Shep, replying to JohnB, 1, #256 of 511 🔗

Sad to say, the British police have got their work cut out earning our respect after their recent lamentable performances.

31736 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Mark, 3, #257 of 511 🔗

Completely agree. You could be forgiven for thinking we had gone back to the 1910-1920 era when the Temperance-friendly Liberal government was enamoured of US Prohibition, having failed in attempts to tax alcohol to death.

31773 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #258 of 511 🔗

Yes, and I think we will be creeping to pub speakeasies where the horrid rules are disregarded.
How long did Prohibition last? It didn’t become the effing ‘new normal’, that’s for sure.

31786 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to annie, 3, #259 of 511 🔗

In the US, from 1919 until it was repealed in 1933! Little known cost (aside from the well-documented criminal behaviour associated with bootlegging) was the thousands who died a slow and terrible death from state-sponsored adulteration of industrial alcohols used in home-made moonshine:


The cure was infinitely worse than the ‘ailment’ – a bit like lockdown!

31814 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #260 of 511 🔗

Eek! Well, I hope the revolution of the sane takes less time than that hereabouts!

31766 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Mark, 1, #261 of 511 🔗

just wait for the trouble that will emerge when you enter a pub-it’s table service only and you find a 20% service charge added to your bill.

31811 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mark, 5, #262 of 511 🔗

Al fresco? Cue the wettest July and August since records began.

31823 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Mark, 8, #263 of 511 🔗

I agree with every word of this except that I do not believe any of it has ever been in Johnson’s gift. It is way above his ‘pay-grade’ otherwise why have so many countries and US states done more-or-less the same? The scientists are just paid-off useful idiots and they are not running the show either.

Anyway, on a lighter note, the OH and I have just returned from a cycling trip to a local small town – first visit since the lock-up. OH was having his bike fixed and the owner is a full-on LS! We then visited a cafe owned by a friend. We had to sit outside obvs, but he is worried about a spiteful Arsebook campaign to get him closed down for not anti-social distancing (he is). We advised him to play the woke card full-on as he is not white. 🙂

Anyway, we had loads of really good discussions with people and one guy insisted on giving me a massive hug. A few muzzles but a normally popular bus went past with an unmuzzled driver (hurray!) and no passengers. The local council has wasted shedloads of money widening the footpath on one side of the street only with special signs, you know the drill 3+months after lock-up all the bus-stops have stupid laminated signs. too.

We had a good set-to outside Boots (1 person at a time allowed in) with a ‘Karen’ who said she was an ICU nurse and told my husband off for laughing at the 4 young women crammed in behind the counter with their visors up (1 wearing a muzzle). He has leukaemia so we enjoyed ourselves a bit. We were not the oly LSs in the queue either. Very few muzzles around, most not being worn correctly, some looked pretty filthy.

I’m saving the best till last: the stupid COOP has installed trafffic lights to control entry, much to the contempt of an old lady behind us who said ‘haven’t they got anything else to spend their money on?’ Quite. On the way back we had an ice cream at the canal basin shop. People everywhere, no muzzles and everyone smiling. I dare to hope and we’re off to the ‘pub’ i.e. pop-up drinking party tonight to celebrate!

32053 ▶▶ Shep, replying to Mark, 1, #264 of 511 🔗

Just like the ‘five a day’ bullshit!

31713 Mark, replying to Mark, 9, #265 of 511 🔗

Tucker Carlson blasts Big Tech after show segments flagged: ‘Censorship is now everywhere’

Tucker Carlson blasted Big Tech Friday night after Twitter flagged a fake tourism ad for Seattle’s Capitol Hill Organized Protest (CHOP) that aired on “Tucker Carlson Tonight” last week.

“I want to apologize if you found what you just saw, hateful, disgusting, [or] if you were traumatized by watching it,” Carlson said sarcastically after playing a portion of the satirical video. “Twitter’s very concerned you might be. We posted that fake ad on Twitter. Twitter flagged it as potentially sensitive content’ and then they hid it from view.

Tucker also noted that the opening of his June 1 show , a response to riots across America that sprang from protests over the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis police custody, “has a warning now on YouTube.”

It says this, ‘The following content has been identified by the YouTube community, whatever that is, as inappropriate or offensive to some audiences,”‘ Carlson said. “By offensive, they mean that the left doesn’t like it.

Time (long past) for Twitter, Youtube and Facebook to be formally recognised as politically biased organisations, and for mainstream conservatives to actively build and promote alternatives.

31827 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 4, #266 of 511 🔗

I wonder where exactly it went wrong. Where I live the average person is fairly moderate, tending to small-c conservative in their views and their handling of their own lives, but prepared to liberal with others choices as long as it doesn’t impinge too much on them.

This “average person” is not a white supremacist, and in general treats people as they find them, but neither would they dream in a million years of signing up to the kind of agenda BLM promote.

There are a lot of these “average” people in this country still – probably fewer than there were, and the average age would be higher than the average age of the adult population, but there are enough of those people to have voted in a Conservative government with a huge majority (albeit as we know they are not very conservative, but I think the people who voted for them in general wanted them to be so).

So how is it that their views are so poorly represented in the public discourse? We know about the BBC, and the way other institutions have been gradually dominated by people who don’t like my “Mr Average” or his views, but how on earth is it that above all our politicians are so mealy mouthed and apologetic when they should go on the attack and proudly defend freedom of speech and British tolerance and values? What is wrong with them?

Maybe the way it works is this: Most of us like to be thought of as nice. We like to avoid conflict. We’ve been brought up not to kick a man when he’s down. We like everyone to be happy. So when the subject of race comes up, or some similar subject involving some group or other that feels it’s been unfairly treated, our instincts are to not want to upset them. We may well not agree with most of what they are saying, but we don’t articulate that. Instead we say nice things, trying to be as bland as possible, and hope they go away. But they don’t. I suppose it’s not really niceness at all ultimately, but cowardice (and I am guilty).

31865 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 3, #267 of 511 🔗

Identity lobbies, like all political correctness causes, lean heavily on politeness to suppress dissent. That and the “squeaky cog gets the grease” principle.

And antiracism was always the worst of them, because as I’ve pointed out before they use the vagueness of the definition of the term to operate a “motte and bailey” fallacy, so that when they want to establish that racism is evil they pretend it only applies to the worst kind of race hating thuggery (the white equivalent of BLM), so they can establish slogans like “no compromise with racism”, “no neutrality on racism” etc. But then they quietly extend it to apply the term to all kinds of perfectly reasonable opinions and actions so that they can claim that racism and racists are “everywhere”, and accuse anyone backing all kinds of causes they dislike (opposition to mass immigration, Brexit, resistance to positive discrimination, etc) of being “racist”, and therefore, as they’ve already established, evil. Then if they are challenged about their attempts to shut down “racism, they retreat to the fortress of their narrower definition and claim you are trying to defend skinhead thuggery.

The reality is that either racism is evil but confined to a tiny minority and far from all of them white, or racism is actually fairly common but is not necessarily a particularly bad thing, or a ad thing at all. Contrary to modern dogma, there certainly can be reasonable racism, and moderate racism.

But because racism was established as being what skinheads and Nazis think and act on, people were terrified of being accused of racism even before it became actually career threatening. We have been so heavily indoctrinated on it for so long that people find it awkward and embarrassing even being near anything that might be “racist”, and also because racism tends to be censored, people have found that accusations of racism are an excellent way of getting political opponents or people saying things they dislike censored or banned. This has been commonplace in online discussion and media for decades now. You saw it in action here when I and others first pointed out the truths about BLM, that the first reaction of some was to try to imply that we should shut up about these things because racism, even though Toby himself had said the same things. Others simply found the whole discussion uncomfortable and backed away. In many ways talking honestly about racism and antiracism was the equivalent of talking about lockdown scepticism, since decades ago.

Antiracism has been a distorting plague on our society for decades.

31921 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 1, #268 of 511 🔗

Uncomfortable, yes. I can only see two ways out – we confront it head on, and get most people onto the same page, or we all agree to stop talking about race at all. The first will lead to big trouble, but may be necessary. The second is unlikely to get agreement as it will be seen by some as a defeat, though it’s the option that would lead to less conflict.

31929 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 1, #269 of 511 🔗

Given that it is in the nature of zealots to push ever harder, while ever they are not being confronted and resisted, it’s going to have to come to a head before your second solution could be effected anyway. Why would the left just stop using a tool that has been so effective for them for so long, and that continues to take political scalps for them (see Katie Hopkins just yesterday)?

Also you have to remember that this is a huge industry now. There are “equality and diversity” officers, “educators” and consultants, as well as straight lobbyists, all over the place. A lot of people’s careers, wealth and personal power depends directly on the continuation of racism (and the other identity lobby issues) as a top level issue.

I wouldn’t recommend confronting it head on irl, yourself. That will just get you sacked and “cancelled”, most likely, unless you are in an unusually strong position. Just do what you can when you see an opportunity. Don’t feel any need to play fair – antiracists and other identity lobbyists are lying, bullying scum who will take away your livelihood at the drop of a hat, merely for disagreeing with them. They deserve no sympathy and no quarter, politically speaking.

31883 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Julian, 1, #270 of 511 🔗

There are a lot of “Mr. Average” out there. That s why, despite an intensely hostile media and, against all polling predictions, The Donald is President of The United States Of America. Likewise the Brexit result, taking the media by surprise, not to mention Mr Farage s astonishing successes in those elections despite his party being only months old. I like to think that many people can see through all the smoke and mirrors presented by the leftist media and the above examples seem to confirm this. To my unceasing delight.

31919 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to stevie119, 1, #271 of 511 🔗

Indeed, but complacency has allowed and continues to allow a takeover of institutions, and public forums, by those who despise Mr Average, and wish to see his downfall. I’m guilty as charged.

31714 daveyp, replying to daveyp, 2, #272 of 511 🔗

Does anyone know Toby’s email address as I’ll email him to ask if we can put a limit in place such as 500 characters per comment, as this can be done with WordPress which this site is using. That would than stop these ridiculously long posts.

31876 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to daveyp, 1, #273 of 511 🔗

It’s in the contact me here bit near the bottom of his post.

31933 ▶▶▶ daveyp, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #274 of 511 🔗

Thanks for that, I’ll send it in as the comments sections are way too large on here.

32025 ▶▶▶▶ Shep, replying to daveyp, #275 of 511 🔗

I just scroll past a comment that is too long, so for me, it is a waste of space)

31720 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #276 of 511 🔗

after the proposed ban of “Swing Low,Sweet Chariot” what next? A re writing of “You’ll never walk alone ” as “You’ll walk alone” to comply with social distancing

31721 ▶▶ Mark, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #277 of 511 🔗

“Blue moon you saw me standing alone ” doubleplusgood!

31722 Colin MacDonald, 2, #278 of 511 🔗

Funny to see an old codger like Parris advocating this kind of teenage intergenerational conflict. Thing is, he’s right. I’m 52 myself but my elderly parents had, I think, 15 pretty good years after retirement, not rich by any means but holidays abroad every year, really no worries about money at all, although frailty stopped them doing a lot of things latterly. I cherish no illusions about a cosy retirement, my plan is to keep fit into my 70’s by which time I might have the squirreled away enough to keep me out of old age poverty. Things are worse for the generation coming up behind me, student loans to pay off, unaffordable housing, how are they supposed to have kids when they’re broke? And without kids, what future? We’re screwed if carry on with this system.

31726 Colin MacDonald, 3, #279 of 511 🔗

Well that would be be bloody tragic if Brit kids had to forsake monochromatic nylon clothing. Our schools would resemble those of the ghastly Continentals

31730 Tyneside Tigress, 1, #280 of 511 🔗

Dear Toby

A song for you, from a misspent youth at Northern Soul discos on a Saturday night at the Wrekenton Boys Brigade. The lyrics seem pretty apt when applied to Boris and this shambles of a government, now on borrowed time.

The Joker Went Wild (Brian Hyland):
‘Once I was a king
I thought always a king
‘Cause I just captured someone’s heart
But may I explain, I treated her mean
And then my kingdom fell apart….
The joker went wild and he couldn’t smile
‘Cause he had lost everything
The joker went wild and he couldn’t smile
He felt no longer like a king’

31734 smileymiley, replying to smileymiley, 1, #281 of 511 🔗

Another company failing to stand up to the woke brigade

31740 ▶▶ Mark, replying to smileymiley, 7, #282 of 511 🔗

And another victim of the mob. Fire one, silence a thousand.

There can no longer be even a pretence that we in the US sphere are politically free, when there is open harassment of dissenters and their exclusion from effective speech.

The Head of a PA Charter Schools Group was Forced Out Over These Three Words About the George Floyd Riots
This is the horrific hate speech (in response to rioting and looting) that this woman lost her job over:

This is not okay, friends. None of this is okay. Not the murder of an innocent person no matter the color of his skin. Not the looting. Not the attacks on the police. My husband is a retired trooper and he defended Pennsylvanians from a lot of evil during his time serving. We know many, MANY PA State Troopers. They are all good people who lay their lives on the line of duty daily to keep us safe. Every sector has bad apples…let’s not forget including the church. We cannot generalize and make it seem like every police officer is bad. I guarantee that if your house is robbed you will be calling the police to protect you. Think about THAT. These protesters disgust me. All lives matter !”

31877 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to smileymiley, 2, #283 of 511 🔗

L’Oreal representative has just slagged off all whites – think they will be going the way of Gillette…go woke go broke..

31743 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, #284 of 511 🔗

I don’t know if anyone else has posted this but this looks like another recipe for economic suicide this time by leisure centres:


Look forward to when Carl Vernon does one for a museum or heritage site.

31760 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #285 of 511 🔗

Good post.

We know what the real, real reasons were. It was little to do with “protecting” the public. Much more about image.

Firstly, they (Government, devolved and regional governments,. NHS, Public Health England) had completely failed to plan for such a pandemic. They had no adequate store of PPE or respirators. So, they could easily imagine the scenes as NHS hospitals were overwhelmed – hence the need to “slow down” the virus spread. Now, whether lockdowns do “slown down” the spread is very open to question but I think they genuinely believed they do.

Secondly, our craven government live in fear of the media and could see what the media were going to do with this story if they didn’t opt for lockdown.

Has the government yet said what it will do in 2021 if another similar novel pathogen of equal lethality emerges? Are they really going to shut down the whole of our economy, society and education system a second time? I don’t believe for one moment they will…they know that will be political suicide second time round….so that gives the lie to their claims that they had to introduce a lockdown to save lives first time round. They didn’t – it was a political choice.

31764 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to OKUK, 3, #286 of 511 🔗

Well said.

I don’t think the government will go for another lockdown. Despite all these “staying safe” and antisocial distancing measures its clear that its not luring people back to the shops. Whether its to do with people’s fear or comsumer boycott is anyone’s guess but I think its a mix of both.

Another take I have is that there is already an awareness that the unemployment and bankruptcy figures for this month will be worse and it will be interesting to see what will happen when shops will have to pay their rent on 24 June.

Then as the furlough scheme is further rolled back by July-August and finally ended in October then we will have a true picture of the economic and psychological cost that this lockdown and antisocial distancing has caused.

31971 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bart Simpson, #287 of 511 🔗

I’d like to believe that, but James Delingpole does seem to have inside info that there will be another lockdown in October… probably just as the vaccine is rolled out, to increase take-up..

32052 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Carrie, #288 of 511 🔗

The question is will they be able to afford that? There are predictions that unemployment, debt and bankruptcy will soar even more.

Unless Joe Public does riot and it all turns nasty and violent.

31917 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, 1, #289 of 511 🔗

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I understand that, before hysteria took over, in hospitals PPE was used almost exclusively in operating theatres and possibly ICU.

There probably was more than suffucient PPE but the insistence on everyone wearing it soon caused a problem. Who advised on the wearing of PPE for dealing with the plandemic?

Who/what really caused the PPE scandal? It certainly became a handy tool for the media to bang on about at every turn, so creating a useful smokescreen?

31751 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #290 of 511 🔗

Just a thought. “Taking the knee” is the same as “Assuming the position” isn’t it?

31789 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Nobody2020, 9, #291 of 511 🔗

And each and every person who does so should be regarded with contempt for it, given what they are kowtowing to and the fact that they are doing it either out of cowardice, or culpably stupid ignorance, or genuine adherence to violent political zealotry.

It should be a dismissal offence for any policeman no matter how senior, and it should be forbidden along with all political gestures at sporting events.

31795 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Mark, 1, #292 of 511 🔗

If people want to do it then it’s their choice but they shouldn’t be obliged or made to feel guilty for exercising their right not to.

Forcing/pressuring somebody to do it is akin to making them “assume the position”.

31806 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #293 of 511 🔗

It’s utterly inappropriate for police officers to be making political gestures of any kind while in uniform, voluntary or not. Let alone gestures of submission to a cause based on an outright lie, and that is as extreme and divisive as that pursued by BLM.

Likewise it’s a long established principle that sporting evens should not be used for political gestures.

Otherwise, you are correct of course that people can choose to do so if they want. but a gesture of support for BLM is a gesture of support for the lie that it is based on, that there is systematic racist police killing in the US. It is a gesture of support for the BLM’s extremist political causes (smash capitalism, defund the police (and put policing into the hands of political militias), promote “non-western family structures”, etc, and for the BLM’s basic modus operandi, which is encouraging race resentment and classification of people by race.

If a person chooses to make the gesture, the three alternative motivations I described previously would seem to exhaust the plausible possibilities.The choice should be judged accordingly.

31920 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark, #294 of 511 🔗

It’s utterly inappropriate for police officers to be making political gestures of any kind while in uniform, voluntary or not. Let alone gestures of submission to a cause based on an outright lie, and that is as extreme and divisive as that pursued by BLM.

Hear! Hear!

31830 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Mark, 2, #295 of 511 🔗

If people in any walk of life want to do this they should not do it wearing a employers uniform as if they are representing police, nhs, rac, army, Air Force etc. If those organisations want to formally support a cause, they should do it at a corporate level. Maybe get ceo etc. Down on one knee.

31752 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 10, #296 of 511 🔗

Another defence of lockdown that the government’s lawyers are making is that of: ‘The precautionary principle’.

For that defence to be effective, the precautionary principle should have included an estimate of mortality resulting not just from risks associated with the covid 19 common cold coronavirus itself but risks from measures that would have to be taken to try and mitigate the covid 19 risk: lockdown, hospital bed clearances, school closures, lack of exercise and fresh air, shortage of fresh foodstuff and so on

The defence lawyers also say that relatively little was known about the virus; that is why the precautionary principle was applied. That seems, frankly, batty. If the country is to rush into lockdown every time a matter about which relatively little is known might possibly threaten us, we might just as well stay locked down forever. We know little of the recent border clash between India and China. It might lead to nuclear war. Should the country lock itself into a nuclear bunker for the time being, as a precaution?

And the precautionary principle defence undermines the first claim the defence lawyers make, that the lockdown decision was based on scientific evidence. If the evidence existed, no need for the precautionary principle. If the evidence did not exist, then the precautionary principle should have based itself on a comprehensive risk assessment including risk of deaths directly caused by the lockdown measures themselves.

It was in fact abundantly clear at the time of UK lockdown that good evidence did not exist to support the lockdown: between 15 Jan and 03 March Chinese covid 19 case definitions changed seven times. It is inconceivable that the British government, with the intelligence gathering resources it has at its disposal, could not have been aware of that.


By March 20th, Italian covid 19 mortality figures had been investigated, reduced to 12% of the original figure and associated with old age, pre-existing morbidities.


But UK lockdown, and, with it, measures to discharge the elderly and infirm (some of them infected with covid 19) back, in many cases, to nursing homes, still went ahead on 23 March.

The results are there for all to see.


31757 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Tim Bidie, 7, #297 of 511 🔗

The precautionary principle is the first refuge of the scoundrel, and should always be viewed with suspicion because it is almost always selectively applied.

Precautionary about covid but not about lockdown.

Precautionary about Brexit but not about EU sovereignty dissolution.

Precautionary about climate change but not about mass immigration.

Etc etc.

31779 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Tim Bidie, 13, #298 of 511 🔗

There’s an even more important principle that is overlooked. It is the idea of the Noise of Nature.

Nassim Taleb coined the term “antifragile” where systems can survive small probabilty large impact events. However in much of what he says he doesn’t go into the small matter of noise.

Very low probabilty events often have a very high probability of being misattributed. The signal to noise ratio is extremely low, especially in natural occurences. So what can skew a distribution, and hence possibly cause a catastrophic effect can also be absorbed into system as part of the everyday functioning of the system.

Essentially the Do Nothing approach.

What this current invented crisis has shown is that politicians, the media and the like are very selective in what gets the Do Nothing approval and what doesn’t.

If we had done nothing then yes people would have died, but they always do. What we wouldn’t have is the secondary and tertiary effects. The problem is that those who proclaim the Precautionary Principle often believe in its righteousness.

31787 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #299 of 511 🔗

great post

31828 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #300 of 511 🔗

Matt Hancock on 10 April 2020 admitted that the government had not made any attempt to assess how many people would die as a result of the government’s lockdown measures.

31991 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #301 of 511 🔗

Meaning they didn’t care.
But does help to explain all those lying death certificates. Can’t blame us for Covideaths, man.

32035 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Steve Hayes, #302 of 511 🔗

Any honest government would have changed tack at that point..

31753 Bella, replying to Bella, 3, #303 of 511 🔗

Dunno if this has been posted elsewhere, but just in case: why wearing face masks can be deadly.

31791 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Bella, 6, #304 of 511 🔗

Yep, as he points out, muzzle = germ rebreather.

If you want to increase your chances of getting covid-19 badly, then wear a muzzle.

Even in the litany of government garbage that has characterised the covid-19 affair, the compulsory muzzle wearing stands out for its ignorance and irresponsibility.

32023 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TJN, #305 of 511 🔗

And for it’s weirdly recent introduction …..

32033 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, #306 of 511 🔗

Mason Mills tweeted as far back as 3rd April that mask advice would change – he got a lot of negative comments and then went ‘silent’ for a long while. But as an insider this all seems very coordinated and planned; as you imply, the timing is odd..

31882 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bella, 1, #307 of 511 🔗

Very well explained – he’s not only highligted the physical consequences but also the psychological effects of muzzling up.

31754 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 9, #308 of 511 🔗

You will have to excuse me if I am repeating something that has already been said, but I have been out of touch just recently whilst holidaying in the lovely resort of Civil-Disobedience-on-Sea for the last two weeks, and the internet hasn’t been invented there yet!

It struck me that with the recent death of Vera Lynn there may be a rekindling of her music, but in Wokeworld we will have to sing ‘There’ll be bluebirds over the ethnically neutral cliffs of Dover’ from now on. Doesn’t scan as well, but at least it won’t cause trauma to the professionally offended huddled masses.

Just remember folks – BLM because ALM but LMM.

(black lives matter because all lives matter but liberty matters more).

31835 ▶▶ KarlH, replying to Old Bill, #309 of 511 🔗

Good slogan, especially like that LMM

31758 Tony Prince, #310 of 511 🔗

Hearing stuff on MSM how ‘bad things really are in Sweden’… does anyone have any links to real data please?

31770 ianp, replying to ianp, 1, #311 of 511 🔗

Oh yeah… Here comes the vegan Nazi climate change angle… See through it

31788 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to ianp, 1, #312 of 511 🔗

And who is a really big investor into lab-manufactured meats?

You guessed it, Bill Gates.

Is there nothing he has not got his grubby little paws in?

32050 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Awkward Git, #313 of 511 🔗

Wonder what BLM would think of this. Do you think they would cancel Gates and his missus? Thought not. Worth a watch

31775 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #314 of 511 🔗

In the supermarket today and one of the members of staff was really paranoid and about to kick off with people getting within 2m of here even though she did not really know what 2m looked like as there were no markings in that area.

I tried to explain to her that the 2m rule was made up out of thin air with no scientific backing or evidence whatsoever so.

Her reply? “The company says so and I’m vulnerable as I don’t have any PPE”.

I tried to explain how few under 60s with no other serious health problems had actually died in the past 4 months, how the PPE she was on about would not stop a virus and tried to show her the warning on the back of a box of masks that states “not protection against cover-19″ but she wasn’t interested in listening or looking.

I tried another tack and asked her that did she think the company, a large multi-national chain, would leave it’s self open to a big lawsuit by not supplying PPE if the virus was as dangerous as she seemed to think it was?

Blank look.

I asked her if she had raised her concerns over lack of PPE with her supervisor and manager as per her rights under health and safety at work legislation?

Another blank look and the answer “No”.

I asked her if she had raised her concerns over, in her opinion, an inadequate risk assessment that confirmed no PPE was required for her job with her supervisor and manager as per her rights under health and safety at work legislation?

Yet another blank look and the answer “No”.

In the end I just shook my head sadly, said “Pathetic” and walked off laughing with her glaring at me.

No wonder the world is screwed.

31797 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #315 of 511 🔗

It is screwed, this social distancing is a dream for big companies. It will eventually lead to the closing down of all theses supermarkets, and just home deliveries being done. Massive savings for these companies as they can cut the workforce and get rid of the real estate, plus it eliminates all the small independent shops so more people use the big boys.

31776 ianp, replying to ianp, 11, #316 of 511 🔗

And so the madness on covid continues. Surely we can all see that it’s now done to deliberately provoke a WTF reaction to anyone with half a brain? I can. Went to one of the large Tesco’s yesterday, unpleasant experience queuing but a small mask minority thank god. The plastic around the tills was horrendous. Tip : you get those tescoviews reviews for having a clubcard, fill it in and give them hell.

Oh and onto the increasingly ridiculous BLM wokey shit. Notice that it’s following the same levels of hysteria as covid? I certainly have.

Finally, having done my own research I am going to go ahead and say it : the George Floyd death is a hoax video. Find original footage on YouTube and watch it for yourself… Very very carefully.

Basically the ‘cop’ in the video is not the same person as the chauvin guy arrested (check the ears), and err… Take a very close look at the moment that George’s ‘body’ is placed on the stretcher… 🧐 😳 😆 . There’s a couple more things too which you can easily find the truth on.

If you want to downvote, go ahead. I am level headed and sensible and none of these 2 events makes sense, but the most recent BLM is easy to debunk. Look for yourself, question it and then think why all this is happening…

31785 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to ianp, 7, #317 of 511 🔗

I agree with you on George Floyd – different Policeman arrested, different badges on each “policeman”, the way the paramedics did not follow correct protocols on arrival but just carted him off, then ay he could speak but never said the name of a person who he had worked security with for quite a while while this person was kneeling on him, how the same pose by white policeman on a black suspects neck while looking into a camera also took place in madrid and Paris (I think it was) on the 28th and 30th March as well, how the 3 “policeman” in the video and been filmed working together in the past – at sandy hook and the Boston marathon.

As ianp says – downvote all you want but look it up for yourselves, it’s all in the independent media online.

And very few of the woke BLM supporters have actually read the “what we believe” page have they?


I asked on what this meant after getting them to open the site on their mobile (they never even knew the site existed):

“We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).”

They couldn’t explain it.

All I can think of is they want females and children in communes and everyone a homosexual.

32097 ▶▶▶ ianp, replying to Awkward Git, -1, #318 of 511 🔗

We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).”…. Maybe they are preparing the world for the ‘Big Mike’ truth to come out … 🙂

31794 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to ianp, 3, #319 of 511 🔗

Something that is very out of place is the reaction of the paramedics. They seem to check his pulse on his neck, but not very thoroughly. Then if he’s not breathing or there’s no pulse, why do they not start resucitation and start pumping his chest, and even use a defibrillator. As it is there is no urgency, they just put him on the trolley and go, so no work was done in the van to resuscitate. Ambulances can’t work on someone whilst the ambulance is moving, so it doesn’t ring true to me.

In my eyes I think it was staged to cause division and just to give more leverage to remove civil liberties. Those in power no of they follow this more and more will get pissed off, and lead to more civil disobedience, which allows them to put even more restrictions in place.

31821 ▶▶▶ ianp, replying to JohnB, #320 of 511 🔗

Also, there’s a brief glimpse of a petrol station with the price. An eagle eyed person on twitter compared that price to what were the prices of petrol on Minneapolis on the day of the ‘murder’. It’s absolutely miles out…about 40 cents or something

Ergo… The footage is actually from an earlier date than may 25th was it? Simple.

More lies.

31863 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to ianp, 1, #321 of 511 🔗

I saw a video where they were lifting the stretcher and the paramedic in shot was only using one hand – very difficult to lift the supposed weight of an adult male that way. Looked like a resuscitation dummy – only top half of body.
I also saw another film taken from the other side of the street, showing the pavement from where the ‘knee on neck’ footage was taken, and there is *no one* standing there – the pavement is empty! Must have been filmed on different days..

31987 ▶▶▶ ianp, replying to JohnB, #322 of 511 🔗

You got to ask yourself who is in power? Look at the USA , this is where it’s all about. It’s all a game, but I honestly believe it’s a hugely important one and you just have to trust which side to be on.

The restrictions will be temporary, it’s all part of the plan in my opinion.

Am I too trusting? maybe/maybe not but I now believe I know what’s happening. I can’t say what will happen too far down the line as it truly can get bizarre but just look at what’s in front of you : coronaphobia and BLM : both are bullshit.

31817 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to ianp, 1, #323 of 511 🔗

Agreed re. The cop in the video and the cop in the mug shots. Different guy, for sure. And yes, it’s the ears, which are as unique to each human as our fingerprints.

31825 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to ianp, 2, #324 of 511 🔗

If any good comes out of this cv19 farce it is that some people are waking up to the fact that our leaders frequently use lies direct our actions.

31862 ▶▶▶ ianp, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #325 of 511 🔗

Yeah but who are the genuine leaders. I think there is a huge battle going on, to ‘drain the swamp’ so to speak 😉 . I hope that truth wins out in the end because I know what is bullshit, we all do. But people have to speak out about the lies ASAP

32566 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to ianp, #326 of 511 🔗

X22 Report says the same but I’m divided -would lie to think the swamp is being drained but maybe we’re all being paled for fools.

Only time will tell.

31923 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ianp, #327 of 511 🔗

I agree with you. Looked dodgy from the outset and I thought suspiciously convenient rioting straight afterwards.

32002 ▶▶▶ ianp, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #328 of 511 🔗

Timing timing timing… just when it was obvious that covid was dying a death. NOT a coincidence

32010 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to ianp, #329 of 511 🔗

Timed to coincide with Hillary Clinton’s court appearance! So expect another diversionary event just before Sept 9th, when she is due back in court 😉

32093 ▶▶▶▶▶ ianp, replying to Carrie, -1, #330 of 511 🔗

Climate change and that evil looking Greta swedish kid? Aliens?

Nothing would surprise me… but Clinton’s in trouble.. just wait until the contents of those emails come out . It’s beyond horrific

31792 annie, replying to annie, 27, #331 of 511 🔗

Had a good morning. Long walk, met nothing but pleasant, sane people. One man stood aside for me, murmuring (not nastily) ‘six feet and all that, politeness’. I said (not nastily) that it was a funny sort of politeness that made people avoid one another, and we parted amicably.

Met a chap strimming bracken. He stopped and stood aside for me. I remarked that he was the only person I’d seen recently who actually needed to wear a visor. Don’t know if he got the point, but keep on harping on it, I say.

Tore down three footpath-closed notices in quick succession. The Welsh weather had done part of my work for me by weakening the plastic laminate so that the notices tore very easily. Rather an anti-climax. I mean, I like a challenge when I rip notices, like those chaps who used to tear telephone directories in half. (I have tried this, but it’s a bit awkward with an electronic directory.)

Could not wrap notices round dogdirt, as dog refused to oblige, so merely binned them. Annoyingly, dog obliged about ten minutes later. Bagged result, and imagined I had Drakeford’s head in there with it. Chucked bag in dogshit bin with great satisfaction.

Also tipped over National Unworthy-of-Trust ‘car park closed’ A-board notice. When I returned, A-board had been set up again. Chucked it over again. Sadly, unable to shift enormous stones blocking car park entrance. Am thinking of borrowing a Liddle Tank from army range.

Fear life of crime may escalate. First Covinotices, then planning notices, then danger-of-death notices on pylons, and when you see me climbing onto motorway gantries to sabotage ‘lane closed’ notices, it may be time to impose some mild restraint. I’ll take it from you, friends.

Thought up a limerick, A poor thing, but mine own:

A gentleman named Abercrombie
Found himself turning into a zombie.
He said ‘They bemuse
Me with lies and fake news:
Sceptics, please take this agony fromb me.’

31928 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #332 of 511 🔗

Way to go Annie!

31798 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 15, #333 of 511 🔗

Found this page on the Advertising standards Agency website:

https://www.asa.org.uk/make-a-complaint/quick-report.html – it’s for making a complaint about covid-19 advertisements so I submitted one against the Government and all businesses that advertise the measures they are taking to meet social distancing guidelines.

In the box where it asks “Tell us why you are reporting this ad” I put:

“The Government has used in it’s defence against the Judicial Review request by Simon Dolan that guidelines and advice are not law, have no force of law and are not enforceable.

In the advertisements aired on behalf of the Government they are worded so that the assumption is that when guidelines are issued or advice given from Government it MUST be followed or adhered to when this is not actually the case and is at best a badly worded advertisement, at worst a deliberate effort to mislead the public.

This is also being followed by local councils and they are also giving fliers and posters to businesses that are advice but mislead them into thinking it is law and must be followed – for example all the social distancing 2m signs everywhere – not 1 have 1 seen with them words “guidance only” or “if possible” or “advice only” on them.

This means that every single company that advertises their steps to meet social distancing guidelines and make the customer think ti is law and not guidance and not enforceable are also deliberate attempts to mislead everyone who sees that advert.”

Don’t expect much but every little helps.

31801 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #334 of 511 🔗

They only limited me to 500 words so got this one in:

The Government has stated that guidelines and advice are not law, have no force of law and are not enforceable. In the advertisements aired by Government and companies the assumption is that guidelines from Government it MUST be followed. This is not actually the case and is a deliberate effort to mislead the public. This means that every single advert from by anyone stating steps to meet social distancing guidelines are also deliberate attempts to mislead everyone who sees that advert.

31804 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #335 of 511 🔗

A lot of the shops here have the same posters,given out by the council,they are all you must do this,you mustn’t do that,very intimidating in design,the wording is stern and officious and there are no please or thankyou on any of them.Without saying so they do give the impression it is law.

31820 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #336 of 511 🔗

This is good, I think I’ll do the same then. It seems like that is going to be the government’s defence then for all this ‘Oh, it was only guidelines.’ It is absolutely despicable and I hold them in deepest contempt.

31844 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #337 of 511 🔗

My wife and I were discussing this. When someone collapses on the Tube or has a serious respiratory incident on a train or bus, who’s liable? Because I can bet that all of a sudden all the “small print” will come out and they’ll say “Oh but you see it’s only guidelines”

31887 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to mhcp, #338 of 511 🔗

Does the mandatory muzzle-wearing have the force of law? If so, it would be harder for them to wriggle out of this one.

31901 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mhcp, 2, #339 of 511 🔗

I was talking about that with a friend too – bet they’ll deny it if you point out the posters and the irritating announcenemts – “you must wear a face covering, blah, blah…..”

Another thing is what happens if its the driver wearing a mask passes out and causes the bus to crash into a building or a tree causing injury and deaths of passengers. What then?

31935 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mhcp, 2, #340 of 511 🔗

If they’ve stated that non-compliance will result of refusal of service, then surely they will be liable if someone suffers as a result of complying?

31857 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #341 of 511 🔗

Very good!

31799 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 16, #342 of 511 🔗

A couple of Crazy-Covid-Consequences anecdotes: a couple of days ago I met a very nice care worker with whom I regularly exchange greetings: her daughter, who worked very hard to gain an offer from Edinburgh University for the coming academic year-(ha, ha!)- is now suffering increasing anxiety and disappointment, as her hopes seem likely to be dashed.
Vague deferrals from Edinburgh’s admissions office are causing endless distress.

Secondly, a family member finally managed to get a dental appointment last Monday following HMG’s announcement that dentistry in England could resume from that date.

Firstly, the practice knew nothing about this; secondly, she had to negotiate endless telephone messages advising that the practice was still closed, thirdly, she had to email her dentist directly, having been dismissed by an officious receptionist.

Appointment made; she would have to report 10 minutes before the allotted time and let the staff know.

She got to the surgery, only to find no door bell , no notice and no one in sight.

After her banging on the window and raising her voice, a woman eventually appeared in the doorway demanding to know what she wanted. She was then told to wait outside in the rain for 15 minutes,with nowhere to sit or shelter.

Door opened, person wielding thermometer on the end of a long extension took her temperature and she was then admitted.

Hands into sanitiser machine, phone and wallet placed in box; led into corridor, hands washed again, mask then put on.

Hands sanitised for 3rd time.

Finally went into surgery where her dentist and his nurse awaited, swathed in layers of PPE plus vizors and resembling a bomb disposal or biohazard team.

Result, my relative was unable to understand the what the dentist was saying.

Confusion resolved, mask removed-mask wearing and dentistry not a good mix- infected tooth examined.

A large rubber bung which blocked the rear of the oral cavity entirely, was then inserted ostensibly to protect the dentist: (my relative teaches yoga,so was able to relax and do slow nasal breathing).

This could cause extreme panic in many less fit individuals, along with choking and gagging spasms..

Treatment completed and then the payment farce began. Receptionist -behind safety screen-reluctant to even look at card, so machine pushed under barrier, payment completed and then card removed: the receptionist said she could not, under any circumstances, risk touching the card.

Is this what we can now expect? Not only are dentists forced to see no more than 10 patients per day, they also have to do a deep clean between each treatment and are encumbered by layers of PPE, with the result both that their patients cannot understand what they’re saying and their freedom of movement and dexterity is compromised.

Added to this is the rather alarming experience of having a rubber bung inserted into the back of the oral cavity.

I suspect that all this will prove to be too much to bear for both practitioners and patients and that our teeth will deteriorate accordingly.

Finally, the Beeb has done a fact check on false information to prove that mask wearing carries no risks.

31802 ▶▶ Paul, replying to wendyk, 6, #343 of 511 🔗

Good grief !,that sounds bloody awful , I would not be prepared to go through all of that at the dentist and the rubber bung thing sound dangerous.

31807 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Paul, 5, #344 of 511 🔗

Absolutely! Most people would not be able to cope; I struggle when the X ray thingy is put in my mouth.

31816 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to wendyk, 3, #345 of 511 🔗

God, that is barbaric. That bung thing sounds positively medieval!

31856 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to wendyk, 3, #346 of 511 🔗

That sounds very much like Carl Vernon’s dentist video yesterday… Sympathis re the bung in the throat – found it hard not to gag while having mouldings done for braces years back – never forgotten the feeling..ugh! Please see Simon Dolan’s Twitter post re the dentist/mask delusion – makes a lot of sense..

31886 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 4, #347 of 511 🔗

Good grief!!! This reminded me of a comment I saw in the Carl Vernon video about dentists – “I’m going for a routine check up not open heart surgery” or words to that effect.

I think I’d rather take my chances with a barber/surgeon thank you very much!

31938 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wendyk, 1, #348 of 511 🔗

Good heavens! Didn’t your dentists learn anything about pathogen transfer during their expensive training?! Surely they could suitably educate the receptionist?

Good news about the beeb. Let’s hope they make a massive deal of it and the rest of the MSM pick it up.

32034 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wendyk, #349 of 511 🔗

The beeb factcheck contradicts all the facts about the the dangers of mask-wearing: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/53108405

31800 Paul, replying to Paul, 4, #350 of 511 🔗

The small carpet shop near me has just reopened but now you need to book an appointment to go and browse the carpets and only one person is allowed in at a time,so no couples.

31803 ▶▶ Albie, replying to Paul, 14, #351 of 511 🔗

Hopefully, very soon companies being ridiculously over zealous will realise they will go of business if they continue with this charade and treat potential customers like humans again.

31845 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Albie, 5, #352 of 511 🔗

It’s depressing that it will only be when their bottom-line is affected that it may finally dawn on them!

31855 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Paul, 5, #353 of 511 🔗

So totally impractical if one half of a couple has to view proposed carpets at a separate time..Are couples supposed to liaise on their thoughts re different carpet options in the car park outside, once both have gone in to look???!!!!

31939 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Paul, 2, #354 of 511 🔗

No couples, no choose carpet then!

31805 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 22, #355 of 511 🔗

I’ll now have to boycott public transport as I WILL NOT WEAR A MASK. More walks,but less custom for the shops in the nearby town where I used to go.

31815 ▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 21, #356 of 511 🔗


31829 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to annie, 4, #357 of 511 🔗

Us neither! I am quite sure now that we’re not alone.

31834 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 12, #358 of 511 🔗

Just had two come into my shop – made a big thing of putting their masks on and are now slathering themselves with that god-awful gel stuff. Missed part of their order because we couldn’t hear their muffled speech under their wretched masks. Perhaps we need a new sign:

“Please note, your orders may be incorrect if we cannot hear mask-wearers’ speech properly”

31884 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to kh1485, 5, #359 of 511 🔗

You must have the patience of a saint! As part of our fun and games outside Boots today, one of the assistants came out, I think to apologise for their insane policies, wearing a vizor and it was impossible to understand a word she said!

31912 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #360 of 511 🔗

I haven’t, believe me! What pisses me off is the arrogance of these people: making a big song and dance around putting their masks on, just in case the diseased bit of filth serving them, gives them something. And then, to add insult to injury, he starts trying to make the people who are sitting outside my shop enjoying their takeaways feel uncomfortable because he wanted to sit down (we were full at the time).

I think that will be our policy – just keep saying “pardon” until they take the blasted things off.

31946 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to kh1485, 2, #361 of 511 🔗

Last time I was on a bus i.e. before they brought in muzzles*, there was a sweet old dear on it trying to tell us a tale about how there’d been an awful bus crash earlier in the day. We said, ‘Pardon’ so many times that in the end it was down by his chin! 🙂

*I thought the police were supposed to be enforcing them rather than the transport staff so does that mean it’s the law to wear them unless you’re exempt? Does anyone know?

31985 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 2, #362 of 511 🔗

Remind them that masks protect other people from the wearer, not vice versa. Thank them for keeping their nasty germs to themselves.

31889 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 5, #363 of 511 🔗

Go for it! I must have annoyed a check out assistant at my local Coop when I pretty much asked her to repeat everything she asked me. She was masked so I could barely understand what she was saying. I’m not even deaf or have hearing difficulties.

31918 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #364 of 511 🔗

I think I just might, just for my own amusement! The other thing is, even if you have good hearing, I think there is still an element of lip-reading involved in communicating effectively with others.

Just been to my local shop which has some sort of affiliation with the Coop and what a dreary miserable experience that was. Usually later in the afternoon, it’s staffed by the blokes who tend to be more relaxed. But not today: all women, all masked up, one giving me a filthy look because I dared to go down the aisle she was in. And a very bossy notice to use hand sanitiser which I ignored. I think someone mentioned earlier that it is the sheer nastiness in the tone of all these bloody notices that is so appalling: do this, stand there; sanitise yourself over there; do as we say, pleb. If they just employed a bit of courtesy or, heaven forfend, humour, it might be a bit easier to take, but they don’t, so it isn’t!

31974 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 2, #365 of 511 🔗

That’s what I’ve been doing. Either I move closer and make a facial expression that denotes that I can’t understand what they’re saying or I say “so sorry…can’t understand what you’re saying please repeat, thanks”

31945 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, 1, #366 of 511 🔗

It occurred to me that, if we mumble gibberish while wearing a mask, they will have to keep asking us to repeat ourselves until we feel the charade has gone on long enough to remove the bloody thing and speak normally.

Conversely, pretend you can’t make out what they’re saying behind theirs and make them repeat ad nauseam until forced to remove theirs to speak.

31947 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, #367 of 511 🔗

(Of course I assume we will only be sporting a muzzle if it’s absolutely unavoidable.)

31948 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #368 of 511 🔗

I genuinely can’t. I have to lip read unless someone speaks very loudly.

31836 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to wendyk, 2, #369 of 511 🔗

Our doctors now has a rule that if you visit the surgery you have to wear a mask

31853 ▶▶ IanE, replying to wendyk, 3, #370 of 511 🔗

I like the idea of a Lone Ranger mask (ooops, showing my age there). Does it say, anywhere, that the mask has to cover mouth and nose?

31872 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to IanE, 2, #371 of 511 🔗

I like the full-on plague doctor mask

32044 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wendyk, #372 of 511 🔗

It’s ace – however it would be a bit uncomfy for the wearer.

32074 ▶▶▶▶ Adam, replying to wendyk, #373 of 511 🔗

That’s what I’ll be getting if it become mandatory in shops.

32043 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to IanE, #374 of 511 🔗

One of the online papers showed a notice from one of the train services saying it had to cover your nose and mouth. I suppose it depends how bright, or otherwise, their PR department is.

31812 Ian, replying to Ian, 25, #375 of 511 🔗

So next week Johnson will announce further easing of restrictions, that will be heralded as ‘coming out of lockdown’. But it’s not, it’s further completely unnecessary restriction on our freedoms. No more impromptu trips to the pub, to a restaurant. Theatres and cinemas remain shut. Schools still not back to normal, classroom ‘bubbles’ mean no all school or interschool activity, no sport, no after school clubs. I still don’t get it. Why ffs? The virus has all but gone. It was never as dangerous as we were led to believe anyway. There must be Conservative party members, maybe even MPs who read this site. Can you please just get Johnson to get a grip and LEAD us out of this continuing nightmare.

31833 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ian, 29, #376 of 511 🔗

Johnson has to go I think, as do ideally all the cabinet. If one or two of them can produce meeting minutes that show they’ve ben trying to restore sanity, given the paucity of talent they may get a reprieve for a year or two to try and clear up the immediate mess, and then go.

But Johnson needs to resign or be forced out, accompanied by a recognition that this was wrong.

He had his chance to lead, and blew it.

31851 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Julian, 4, #377 of 511 🔗

So true – but in my Cassandra mode I predict it will take 4 and a half years to get rid of FatBoJo!

31852 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, 7, #378 of 511 🔗

I’d rather he stayed till Brexit is ‘done’ – he can go after that. At the moment he isn’t really PM, Mark Sedwill is pulling the strings. I am worried they will ditch Boris then renege on Brexit, and we will then be on the EU hook for mega post-covid bailouts..which will be given to every country apart from us.

31864 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Carrie, 7, #379 of 511 🔗

Well, given that a lot of us probably voted for him for that one single reason, I suppose it’s a defensible position to say he should stay until that is done. But I struggle with that. What he’s presided over is so egregious that he should never be allowed near politics again and be utterly shamed.

I suppose the nightmare scenario is that he resigns because of care homes or PPE or not locking down early enough, and is replaced by some other useless lockdown collaborator, who then doesn’t even deliver Brexit.

I was fairly strongly pro-leave, because I thought we could make more of ourselves outside the EU, but present company excepted I wonder if that’s really true.

31992 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, 1, #380 of 511 🔗

Yes we can. But not with the present establishment in place. They must be destroyed and replaced.

32018 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Nick Rose, #381 of 511 🔗

I hope you’re right and hope we get to find out.

32046 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 1, #382 of 511 🔗

I never voted for the Bloated Bulls*itter.

31880 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Julian, 5, #383 of 511 🔗

Do we think everything’s really ‘above board’? Is the government really doing its best to minimise the economic damage? Is this really a natural pandemic coupled with a real, spontaneous grass-roots reaction to terrible racism that Britain is clearly riddled with? Is our free press really doing its independent, objective best to report the facts?

Can the government really not be aware of the damage they’re doing. Can they really not be aware that BLM is a front for Marxists? We seem to have a government that is committing suicide for us on our behalf.

31914 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #384 of 511 🔗

I’m sure some/most of them are aware, maybe just subconsciously, of all this, to an extent.

But I wouldn’t underestimate the ability of people to believe their own publicity.

I’ve not seen much evidence of great guile, or capacity for self reflection.

I think they panicked in the face of events, have to an extent realised they screwed up but don’t know how to get out of it.

As for how much they know about BLM, goodness knows. I’d put a fiver on them not knowing much.

31893 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Julian, 1, #385 of 511 🔗

Just need to get got Brexit done done – then him n his handler can get thrown under a bud

31894 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, #386 of 511 🔗


31915 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Major Panic, #387 of 511 🔗

If he gets Brexit done, he will be a hero, to some. I don’t think that would be helpful, because it will mean that the enormous blunder they have made will not be fully recognised.

The damage done dwarfs every other political decision ever made in this country, at least any I can readily think of.

At this stage, if you gave me a choice between staying in the EU but having a full reckoning of the folly with the guilty shamed and banished, and a recognition that this must never happen again, and leaving the EU but allowing the PM and others to save face, I would take the former. And I was definitely pro-leave.

31989 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, #388 of 511 🔗

The *entire establishment* has to go. The whole bloody lot are useless and incompetent. Every political party represented in Westminster must be shut down, the “managers” and pen-pushers in the civil service must go, the entire MSM put out of business. The whole lot has let us down. They are the enemy.

31850 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ian, 3, #389 of 511 🔗

One reason may be that it might work in the government’s favour to have already eased the lockdown, particularly with regards to schools, before Simon Dolan’s case reaches the courts? The article yesterday re musicals restarting without any singing (?!) though, shows they still want to restrict freedoms..

31818 ianp, replying to ianp, 3, #390 of 511 🔗

Masonmills has just joined Parler by the way. Twitter without censorship.

Easy to install and sign up, get a new email address, and skip the bit about phone number.

I think it’s right to be on twitter to redpill as many people as possible. The truth is on there re BLM at the very least. Covid is muddier but we all know it’s a farce right??

31848 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to ianp, #391 of 511 🔗

Am I right in thinking that unlike Twitter, you can’t see/read anything posted on Parler without signing up?

31859 ▶▶▶ ianp, replying to Carrie, 1, #392 of 511 🔗

Think so yes. But it’s easy to do so.

31983 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to ianp, #393 of 511 🔗

Not that easy. I set up the account, entered the captcha, then that was it. Logo kept on rewriting itself. After an hour, gave up.

32028 ▶▶▶▶▶ ianp, replying to Nick Rose, #394 of 511 🔗

I would advise a new email address – set one up. takes 5 mins. Then when signing up do not give your phone number, skip that. then.. you’re in

31860 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Carrie, #395 of 511 🔗

Off topic, but if speculation is true and Mason Mills is actually Dominic Cummings, isn’t a bit odd for a senior member of staff with direct access to the PM to posting on social media under an alias?

31867 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, -1, #396 of 511 🔗

Maybe someone from the 77th brigade?

31913 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Carrie, 3, #397 of 511 🔗

Who is downvoting here? I see the Mason Mills account as being slow-paced psychological ‘massaging’ of the public, nudging them towards acceptance of the ‘new normal’…eg he posted on 3rd April that the mask advice would change.. We know SAGE are advising psychological ‘manipulation’ of the public, and 77 brigade are involved in this.. I would love to know who Mason Mills really is, if indeed he is not Cummings..

31964 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Carrie, #398 of 511 🔗

I don’t follow Twitter much and don’t go much for political gameplaying. It just seems odd that such a person, who also has a blog, would post anonymously. He’s articulate, intelligent, why wouldn’t he post what he really thinks, in his own name, and stand by it?

31986 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Julian, #399 of 511 🔗

Sorry, are you talking about Dominic Cummings?

31999 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to John P, #400 of 511 🔗

Yes, if indeed it is him. At first I believed him when he said he was not DC, but the other week he posted that he had reserved the Twitter handle SirMasonMills, which was a bit of a giveaway, given the rumours of DC’s impending knighthood! But then as Julian wrote above, why not post under his own name? I begin to wonder if it is an assistant or relative of Dominic’s who is doing the posting, but being told by DC what to write..?

32016 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 1, #401 of 511 🔗

I have no idea who this Mills person is, I am just going by what many others say – that it’s Cummings. If it’s not then I don’t care who Mills is. If it is, it seems frankly odd, inappopriate and somewhat childish for a senior officer such as him to post anonymously.

I used to think Cummings had promise and might help our country, but his role in the virus reaction can’t be forgiven.

31998 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, #402 of 511 🔗

Exactly.. it is odd.. the only thing he has been wrong about (unsurprisingly) is that he said Rebecca Long-Bailey would be the next Labour leader. He got Angela Rayner right as deputy though.

31978 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ianp, replying to Carrie, 2, #403 of 511 🔗

Maybe it is, you have a right to be suspicious and feel you have been manipulated, we all have. However, and I believe this : this is a much BIGGER game being played across the world, it’s not just the UK is it? Think about it.

To me, I know the virus is bollocks, I know BLM are fascists/marxists so I simply have to go against all of that in my heart.

If I am wrong, fair do’s and I have been fooled. But I am not being fooled by coronapanic and BLM and the censorship and am willing to trust in ‘the plan’ for the longer term.

The ‘new normal’ won’t be what you think it is (plastic, 2m etc etc…)

31990 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to ianp, 2, #404 of 511 🔗

“this is a much BIGGER game being played across the world”

No, I disagree. I don’t believe that the world is run by super intelligent, super malevolent people. Just over privileged village idiots like Johnson.

And the masses behave like pliant sheep. Just how hard can it be to be a shepherd?

32026 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ianp, replying to John P, -1, #405 of 511 🔗

Honesty, look into what I am saying. You’ll be shocked… It only took me a couple of weeks on twitter to start to make sense of it. Up until 2-3 weeks ago I wouldn’t have touched social media with a shitty stick.

It is mindblowing but makes sense to me, and too much to explain here. Take it a step at the time remember – virus is nonsense, BLM is coordinated marxist shite and go from there

UK and USA (in particular) are the centrepoints

31996 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to ianp, 1, #406 of 511 🔗

Oh, I wasn’t saying this madness was limited to the UK – it’s clearly coordinated worldwide. I was just guessing as to the point of Mason Mills, whoever he/she is, having an account and giving advance notice of what is coming…

32055 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, -1, #407 of 511 🔗

Depends what their agenda might be.

31822 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 36, #408 of 511 🔗

Quick-ish update from Scotland.

We drove 45 minutes to take our 13 week old pup for his first visit to a beach. We arrived around 10am and were pleased to see the car park at the beach was now open, albeit with a sign saying “Car park open, please observe social distancing.”

What a great time the 3 of us had, he met lots of new humans and plenty of dogs. Loads of people stopped to chat with us about him. One woman clearly wanted to pet him, and kinda muttered something about “I know I can’t pass it on and I know I don’t have anything”. I said, “don’t be daft, it’s fine.” She said, “I know, but you can’t help feel paranoid.”

Anyway, she gave our pup some attention, petted him as you normally would when you meet a cute Cocker Spaniel puppy.

Other folk stood chatting with us for an age, no one seemed to be bothering with social distancing. We stayed at the beach for 2 hours and it got busier and busier. Fantastic.

It’s just a shame that Sturgeon doesn’t want shops and pubs open. Troon would have made a killing today.

On the drive back to Glasgow we decided to stop off at Glasgow Green. Again, very busy and even more attention for our pup. Two girls in their early 20s approached us and said “we don’t want to sound weird, but can we say hello to your puppy?”

At the centre of Glasgow Green we saw the red pill folk who’d put up posters to protest the lockdown. Around 8 police officers were standing around, I’m not sure what they though was going to happen.

We only saw 2 people wearing masks, but they looked to be in their early 80s. That was it. No other muzzles.

All in all, apart from all the shops and pubs being closed, it was a typical lovely sunny day in West Scotland. Honestly, you wouldn’t know were in the middle of a deadly pandemic where our Dear Leader is urging is to Stay Safe.

No one gives a fuck.

31837 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Mark H, 18, #409 of 511 🔗

Glad you had a nice couple of hours at the beach with your puppy, and enjoyed some fairly normal interaction with others.

We like to visit Wester Ross (far North West of Scotland). Looks like your dear leader is going to prevent that happening this year. Generally we eat out for almost all meals, we generally buy a few decent gifts for people and a keep sake for ourselves to remind us of the holiday. We try to go away outside of school holidays, in Scotland the summer break is not far away & no sight that we will be able to visit any time soon.

We have had emails from hotels that we have stayed at in the past saying they are open and we are welcome to stay with them, but I thought that was against orders & instructions? I think hotels are open for key workers?

Certainly we cannot rent a holiday cottage at the moment.

She is a very dear leader, she is costing your economy a fortune.

31963 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #410 of 511 🔗

I usually enjoy four week-long visits to the Highlands – two at Fort William, one at Ullapool and one anywhere-else-in-Scotland-I’ve-never-stayed-before. Last year that was Tongue.

I do not usually pass comment on Scotland’s politics, but I would strongly urge every Scots lockdown sceptic to vote against the party currently in power there. I intend the same here in Wales, where we are led by another megalomaniac, just with a lot less personality than Sturgeon.

31842 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Mark H, 11, #411 of 511 🔗

Driving more than 5 miles -naughty naughty. Edinburgh Zoo reopens 29th June but only to those within 5 miles. How many people who live nearby are going to rush back? What is it with Wee Jimmy and her Welsh equivalent? Are they really really convinced that the virus is so deadly ?

31878 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to arfurmo, 9, #412 of 511 🔗

Of course not.
It’s an egofest. Before this almighty cockup, not one person in a hundred in Wales even knew who the First Minister was, and not one in a thousand cared a bean about what he was doing. Now, we convicts and concentration camp inmates have to hang on his lightest word.
Nuff said.

31966 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, 1, #413 of 511 🔗

Still find it difficult to remember his name. More grey man than even John Major, and that’s saying something.

31980 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #414 of 511 🔗

drake = male duck, as in ‘duckspeaker’ or ‘quacker’
ford = very shallow water

Sums him up.

31942 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to arfurmo, 3, #415 of 511 🔗

The key fact that everyone always misses is: Sturgeon and the Scottish Parliament are not responsible for the economy. If it all goes completely to hell, then that is Westminster’s fault. The worse she can make it, the better it plays to the cause of independence. That and the fact that she loves the opportunity to appear on everyone’s TV every afternoon.

Drake ford isn’t quite in the same position, because I’m not sure he has the same separatist agenda, but the rest applies.

31849 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Mark H, 1, #416 of 511 🔗

Extraordinary, in 4 or 5 days time the world will clearly end after such cavalier behaviour. You’ll be giving Krankie a heart attack at this rate (well, there is always a silver lining!).

31937 ▶▶ Sheltielass, replying to Mark H, 9, #417 of 511 🔗

Hi Mark. Have to say North East Scotland seems to be the same way.

This morning went to asda. Still had to queue outside but only couple minutes. It was alot busier than usual. They are definitely letting more folk in at a time. No stupid social distancing announcements. They had more staff on the manned checkouts instead of just every 2nd one. People generally ignoring one way system. Not one staff member wearing masks but around 10% of customers. But mostly older folk. It did feel more like a “old normal” and definitely more enjoyable than of late.
This afternoon went for a 20 mile drive to a beauty spot by a river. There were a few families there too. Our son swam in the river. (Nicola will be shuddering thinking what germs he was exposed to) and shock horror played with another boy from a total random family!! Neither of us cared. We then headed back into the centre of the town and queued for an ice cream. There was no 2 metre markings on the pavement and we were all certainly less than 2 metres apart. The shop did have a sign up saying only 2 people or 1 family in at a time. But to be fair it was a tiny place anyways. It also had hand sanitiser as you go in but I think it was mostly for show. I certainly think everyone is just fed up with it all and today felt definitely more normal than it has done in the last few weeks.

31826 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 32, #418 of 511 🔗

This morning on BBC News Annita McVeigh presented a piece of deaths because of COVID 19, which she pointed out are not counted as COVID 19 deaths, so COVID 19 deaths are under-counted, she asserted. The BBC provided examples of these because of COVID 19 deaths. A child in Columbo with leukaemia who was denied treatment. A woman in Italy who had stroke and was denied treatment. According to the BBC, people who die as a result of being denied medical treatments are all COVID 19 deaths.

These people are destroying satire.

31832 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #419 of 511 🔗

Indeed. This needs knocking on the head asap by ridicule before they can manage to establish the idea that lockdown-caused deaths are “due to the disease”.

31838 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Steve Hayes, 14, #420 of 511 🔗

Deaths due to medical negligence. The real story is why are people not being held to account for this.

31841 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Saved To Death, 5, #421 of 511 🔗

In terms of the health care professionals, their defence is obviously “Just following orders”. Where have we heard that before?

31858 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Saved To Death, 5, #422 of 511 🔗

Medical and governmental negligence, caused by panic, fuelled by the shameless BBC and other TV and print news media.

31840 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to Steve Hayes, 9, #423 of 511 🔗

Indeed – those deaths are caused by lockdowns and the irrational fear stoked by the media not covid

31955 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #424 of 511 🔗

It’s worse – they are trying to create a new narrative. But on behalf of whom?

32231 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Nick Rose, #425 of 511 🔗

I think it is a case of collective madness, rather than a conspiracy.

31831 Julian, replying to Julian, 1, #426 of 511 🔗

What a crock of shit.

Does he want a Nobel prize for pointing out that printing money doesn’t work?

“The moral case is unanswerable” Really? I’m not aware that a referendum was conducted on the matter among the over-55s. I think there was broad support for lockdown among all age groups.

Pensioners have done their bit to build what we have now, they deserve to enjoy that. I’m not saying that there are definitely not imbalances that ought arguably to be corrected, but that’s got nothing to do with covid-19.

We’ll all end up paying for it, for a long time. Sadly stripping the cabinet of their personal fortunes isn’t going to scratch the surface.

32017 ▶▶ Shep, replying to Julian, #427 of 511 🔗

Need to get the economy moving ASAP. Forget all the contact tracing,social distancing signs on lamposts, perspex visors and all the rest of the theatrical over the top nonsense, yeah, the gov fucked up and just because everyone is being paid by them at the moment seems like nobody can get over the fact that they have. we gotta just get moving and do the bitching about who did what later. We are sinking fast. Action.NOW!

31843 The Spingler, replying to The Spingler, 32, #428 of 511 🔗

Why is Piers Corbyn being prosecuted for attending two protests when no one, as far as I’m aware is being prosecuted for attending the BLM protests? Surely that can’t be right? I’m no fan of Corbyn and his weird weather forecasting or his 5G conspiracy theories but there has to be equity in the law doesn’t there?

31846 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to The Spingler, 2, #429 of 511 🔗


31847 ▶▶ Mark, replying to The Spingler, 14, #430 of 511 🔗

but there has to be equity in the law doesn’t there?

You and your quaint old fashioned notions…

31931 ▶▶▶ The Spingler, replying to Mark, 1, #431 of 511 🔗

I’m a dreamer, it’s true

31943 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to The Spingler, 4, #432 of 511 🔗

Perhaps if Piers Corbyn turned up in Hyde Park with 5 or 10 thousand supporters, there might for some strange reason be equity in the law. It has a lot to do with the level of cowardice the so-called “Police Service” displays, depending on how many they have to face.

31977 ▶▶ Marion, replying to The Spingler, 3, #433 of 511 🔗

He’s spot on when he talks about the idiocy of man made global warming though, and of course right about this present foolishness.

31854 T. Prince, 8, #434 of 511 🔗

Extract from interesting article on American Thinker

“It appears the biggest spike is in California , a state that is substantially closed, not in the states that have reopened. Why don’t reporters do their job and tell the truth?

The actual numbers are readily available to reporters if they want the people to see them instead of spreading talking points, but we won’t see them because the public wouldn’t be scared into submission.

Here are some actual numbers through June 18th:

States with very strict restrictions

  • New York, Population 19.5 million, deaths 31,861 Last seven-day deaths 390.
  • New Jersey, Population 8.9 million, deaths 12,819Last seven-day deaths 376.
  • Illinois, Population 12.7 million, deaths 6,537 Last seven-day deaths 352.

States that are less restrictive and substantially open

  • Florida, Population 21.5 million, deaths 3,061 Last seven-day deaths 213.
  • Texas, Population 29.0 million, deaths 2,103 Last seven-day deaths 191.
  • Georgia, Population 10.6 million, deaths 2,605 Last seven-day deaths 230.
  • Colorado, Population 5.8 million, deaths 1.402 Last seven-day deaths 90.
  • Arizona, Population 7.3 million, deaths 1,271 Last seven-day deaths 144.
  • Wisconsin, Population 5.8 million, deaths 719 Last seven-day deaths 37.
  • Missouri, Population 6.1million, deaths 909 Last seven-day deaths 52.
  • Indiana, Population 6.7million, deaths 2,491 Last seven-day deaths 111.
  • Iowa, Population 3.1 million, deaths 679 Last seven-day deaths 39.

In all these cases the states that are less restrictive have had better results from the start, including the last seven days, yet that is not the story the media is presenting. Facts clearly don’t matter. They are continuing to support the continued strangulation of the economy”

31866 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, #435 of 511 🔗

This is a must watch, very brave lady. Now I wonder if BLM will go afterGates?


31868 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to T. Prince, 2, #436 of 511 🔗

Great video, though maybe unwise to give it the title she has because youtube will likely take it down. Someone needs to save it on bitchute quickly!

31874 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to T. Prince, 3, #437 of 511 🔗

You are right. I have just watched it.

This lady is impressive, she accused the Gates Foundation to be involved in Philantropic Racism, illegal experimentation on on African women, vaccinations laced with HcG to make women infertile etc. #ExposeBillgates

31879 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Victoria, 2, #438 of 511 🔗

All true though – I read about the sterilisation issue years ago (early 2000s..). Came to light when someone noticed it was only women that were being vaccinated, and only those of child-bearing age – bit of a giveaway..

31891 RDawg, replying to RDawg, 14, #439 of 511 🔗

Kingston riverside today, SW London. People actually living their lives and no hint of antisocial distancing. Was about as busy as it has ever been, even in the “old normal”.

About 15-20% of idiots wearing masks in the town centre still, but I do think people are starting to see through the BS.

31908 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RDawg, 6, #440 of 511 🔗

Very few masks where I live – low single digit %
M&S relaxed
Town centre fairly relaxed – not too many silly signs
Football and fitness training on the common – kids in football training distanced, then go off and play together with no distancing – box-ticking mentality is part of what got us here
Looking around, seems hard to imagine there are still so many allegedly supportive of all this – suppose those people are still inside most of the time?

31899 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 14, #441 of 511 🔗

Visited a friend this afternoon: I initiated a friends’ hug! We’re still alive! I don’t think that either of us will need to be ventilated, locked away or dosed up with Remdesivir/ dexamethasone or hydroxychloroquine. Who’d have guessed?

On a darker note, her daughter has just had to make 2 of her staff redundant.

31905 ▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to wendyk, 18, #442 of 511 🔗

I did that yesterday – I got invited inside friend’s house, we hugged and hugged and cried because neither of us have had proper human touch for weeks, and then sat and drank tea and chatted and hugged again. My friend has now been brought over from the dark side as we couldn’t have done this two weeks ago! So happy.

31907 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to CarrieAH, 4, #443 of 511 🔗

Well done!

31979 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to CarrieAH, 3, #444 of 511 🔗

Great – puts me in mind of that quote about people going mad on mass but only recovering one by one!

31922 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to wendyk, 3, #445 of 511 🔗

You’re only both alive because other people are wearing masks. They do it for your safety and also wish you dead for not sticking to the rules. Funny lot they are.

31903 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 16, #446 of 511 🔗

new track and trace update!

31910 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to crimsonpirate, #447 of 511 🔗


31904 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #448 of 511 🔗

Simon Dolan has retweeted this. Should go viral:


31906 ▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #449 of 511 🔗

I’ll pop over to Twitter and retweet. It won’t make me popular amongst my followers but I’m past caring.

31909 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #450 of 511 🔗

If only *one* transport company looks into this and realised the possibility of them being sued, then I think it will be dropped very quickly everywhere. On another subject, how are the latest BLM protests going in London? Technically there should have been arrests if they are not in socially-distanced groups of 6… Not seen any media as yet…

31911 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Carrie, #451 of 511 🔗

Agree. Transport companies (even TFL) are struggling financially, the last thing they would want are lawsuits from people who have collapsed or had a major ashtma attack or anxiety due to wearing a mask or face covering.

Not seen anything about BLM protests in London but Piers Corbyn has been arrested again.

31916 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #452 of 511 🔗

Here’s what TFL is planning to do, according to the Evening Standard:


So will everyone be able to download or print the badge? How does that make sense? (rhetorical question).

By the way, I had a message from my GP (via receptionist) as a reply to my inquiry about exemption certificates: “It is government policy that doctors should not issue exemption certificates to the public.” Could any doctors or lawyers here shed some light on this?

31970 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Alice, 1, #453 of 511 🔗

Good question. I wonder if this is a desperate move by TFL because they know that its unenforceable.

31995 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #454 of 511 🔗

I rather expect 99% of the UK population to develop asthma, under the same ‘rules’ that BLM rallies without social distancing no longer cause transmission of the virus..

32027 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, #455 of 511 🔗

Agree. Or other respiratory issues.

31924 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #456 of 511 🔗

He’s been charged in relation to the previous two arrests

31959 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #457 of 511 🔗

I think it has been established that any BLM related event is untouchable. With the knowing blessing of our government.

31993 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, #458 of 511 🔗

Yes, but in that case how come Mason Mills tweeted critically about the policing in London last night?

32013 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Carrie, 1, #459 of 511 🔗

Mason Mills, whoever he is, can Tweet all he wants but I see no evidence of any political will to disperse BLM gatherings.

There was one where I live a few days ago, know about in advance by police and councillors, who apparently “planned” for it – I suspect the “planning” was basically to be ready in case it got violent, perhaps as a result of the gathering being confronted by some opposing group. The event went ahead, peacefully, and the police looked on.

I don’t know enough about the interface between the police and central government to be able to say the extent to which central government is able to direct the police to do something, but I struggle to accept that if the PM really wanted those gatherings to stop, and had the will to enforce that, he wouldn’t.

During the 2011 riots, I seem to remember there was a period in which the police lost control and didn’t react, and then there was a massive show of force, arrests, convictions, heavy sentences. I think it’s a fair bet that some of the impetus came from the top for that, and it wasn’t just a case of the police waking up of their own accord. By the way, not having a go at rank and file police here, just senior leadership.

Why do you think Mills tweeted critically about the policing in London last night?

32030 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, #460 of 511 🔗

I don’t know…that is why I asked! Mason gets a lot of feedback on his tweets, both positive and negative and people do ask him a lot of questions, which he mostly does answer, even if cryptically. On some topics he is completely ‘silent’ (ie no tweets), presumably because there would be a backlash of criticism. If the government are seriously intending not to do anything, then I would’ve expected him to just not tweet, in order to not get a load of negative comments. This is what he tweeted last night – I am honestly curious to why he would write this, if no action against Khan (with regard to policing) is planned??? Or is he just blame-shifting? ‘ Police officers and the lawful citizens of London have been failed by a weak Chief of Police and spineless Mayor. No officer should ever flee from acts of abuse or violence.Criminality should be met with firm action & consequences.’

32062 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, #461 of 511 🔗

Exactly. I can see why some people are suggesting that we sceptics should carry something BLM related as that’s the only way we’ll be let off the hook when it comes to these “guidelines”

31926 smileymiley, 2, #462 of 511 🔗
31927 matt, replying to matt, 8, #463 of 511 🔗

I’ve just got back from Greenwich Park. I went there to meet my brother for some beers – it’s a lovely day in London and it was his birthday on Thursday. I haven’t really been to Greenwich Park much since The Day The World Went Mad, because it’s pretty busy and my dog likes to investigate people sitting down (and steal things from picnics) and people seem to treat dogs like they _are_ the virus nowadays, so I’ve avoided the stress.

Anyway, the point is, I discovered the flower garden is closed and has been throughout.

The flower garden is a fairly large area at the south edge of the park. It’s a really lovely place, especially to sit and have a few beers in the sun. Here’s why it’s closed:

There are no dogs allowed in the flower garden
Because there are no dogs allowed in the flower garden, the flower garden has gates and they have to stay closed
Because we can’t trust people to touch gates and live anymore, the gates must be locked.

So the flower garden is closed.

31930 ▶▶ Mark, replying to matt, 8, #464 of 511 🔗

The logic of the insane asylum. Such utter, foolish waste.

31940 ▶▶ Mark, replying to smileymiley, 4, #466 of 511 🔗

Far too much credit given to the government’s absurd non-case there. “Mounting evidence against”!? The case should have been closed back at the beginning of May, when the ridiculous truth about the origin of the calamitous 2m advice was revealed:

Government has ‘terrorised’ Britons into believing coronavirus will kill them, says adviser
Prof Dingwall said he had been told by a senior public health specialist that “we knew it was one metre but we doubled it to two because we did not think the British population would understand what one metre was and we could not trust them to observe it so we doubled it to be on the safe side “.

31984 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mark, 4, #467 of 511 🔗

..which means the vast majority of workplaces need not have closed, and the furlough scheme would not have needed to be used as widely.. Good point for Simon’s case that the actions were out of all proportion to the potential danger of the virus..

32048 ▶▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Mark, #468 of 511 🔗

Pr Dingwall. A professional academic with no apparent experience of the commercial world. Of course he knows best.

31941 John P, replying to John P, 14, #469 of 511 🔗

“It’s not just a cynical old Tory like me saying this, incidentally.”

Surely, it’s time to call “time!” on this pseudo-conservative rabble infesting the Palace of Westminster. They give conservatism a bad name.

I know that Boris is popular with some here because of what he apparently did to promote Brexit, but I always suspected that – like being Prime Minister – it was just his elitist way of killing time in his overprivileged and otherwise boring life.

You can be a conservative with out being a dick, surely?

31967 ▶▶ IanE, replying to John P, 1, #470 of 511 🔗

And you can be a Cressida without being (remotely) conservative!

31976 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to IanE, #471 of 511 🔗

Or indeed a police officer!

31997 ▶▶ Mike Smith, replying to John P, 4, #472 of 511 🔗

Voting Conservative clearly doesn’t work. They simply are not conservative. How obvious does it have to be?
The question is no longer whether to abandon the three traditional parties, but how this is to be done.

32004 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mike Smith, 1, #473 of 511 🔗

A party needs to be set up with the right kind of high profile and deep pocketed backing and the right policies to catch the attention and enthusiasm of genuine conservatives. Doesn’t necessarily need to win many seats, at least early on. Just threaten enough “Conservative” constituency majorities to force the “Conservatives” to actually stand up to the leftists occasionally and maybe to actually push through the occasional actual conservative policy. Such as breaking up and disestablishing the BBC, which is a necessary precondition to liberating the country. And to make it personally dangerous for “Conservative” MPs and ministers to be too obviously and publicly submissive to the likes of the BLM.

Also trying to appeal to both sides will probably just end in repeating the compromise and surrender experience of the “Conservative” Party, so probably two parties are needed. Maybe the Greens can do the job on the left.

32009 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mark, #474 of 511 🔗

Do you think it would be too early to set up such a party now?

32014 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Carrie, 1, #475 of 511 🔗

Not too early for people to start talking about it and preparing the ground. Might be a better time later to announce it, tactically.

Personally, I’d like it to be one where apart from a very few basic principles and policy commitments, the rest was left to local constituency organisations. You’d have to accept some local embarrassments, but provided you prepare for that by publicly committing to constituency independence, answerable only to local voters, the national party could ride it out.

Centralisation of party political power and increasing US-driven presidentialism is a big part of our problems I think. Maybe if we could have the prospect of positions for MPs who could actually think and act for themselves, we might get some candidates a little less sheep-like than the current denizens of the Commons.

31952 OKUK, 9, #476 of 511 🔗

(Mr Britain approaches the breakfast table)

Kindly Housekeeper: What’s up with you Mr Britain? You look like you’ve seen a ghost….

Mr Britain: I had this terrible dream, a really bad dream. Everyone in the country had been put under house arrest. They said there was this terrible plague and that 500,000 would die. The Prime Minister and all his closest colleagues got sick. Then people started protesting in their thousands about the death of a convicted criminal somewhere in the USA, somewhere thousands of miles away – for some reason, everyone thought it was important. I know it doesn’t make sense, because everyone was still under house arrest at the same time! The people protesting tried to demolish Churchill’s statue and burn down the Cenotaph. And – this was really weird – the people from Yorkshire Tea said it was a good idea, and then the people from PG Tips said the exact same thing! I know!! It makes no sense!!! And then they started banning and arresting anyone who said it was a bad idea to protest like that. And Piers Morgan came on TV and said that was quite right because they were the real monsters, not the people trying to burn down the Cenotaph.

Kindly Housekeeper: There, there. You sit down and have your breakfast…you’ll feel better after you’ve eaten something…

Mr Britain: (Hopefully, as he sits down) So it really was just a bad dream then? …none of this actually happened…

Kindly Housekeeper: Ah well, I didn’t say that, did I? I just said you’ll feel better after you’ve eaten your breakfast…

31956 Jaguarpig, #477 of 511 🔗

Dean Vernon Wormer played by the late great John Vernon

31968 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 10, #478 of 511 🔗

I thought the attached was interesting, bearing in mind many of us will be ‘encouraged’ to be guinea pigs for a new vaccine coming to a store near anyone over 50 this autumn:


When the government tried to get out of compensation on grounds there was no causality (back in 2017), that report was roundly criticised by none other than Professor Heneghan:


Of course, these are all just mere coincidences, but, as per comments on yesterday’s thread, we need to stand aside and let the Cabinet, their partners, children, parents, civil servants and Common Purpose types be in the first guinea pig round!

31981 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #479 of 511 🔗

The Cabinet and their friends would see to it that they were not injected with the real thing.. Gates does not vaccinate his own children! He has already said that we can expect 700,000 deaths from any new vaccine and said they must have indemnity from prosecution for any deaths/damage the vaccine causes.. Go figure, as they say…

32001 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Carrie, 4, #480 of 511 🔗

Quite. Remember the furore over Tony Blair’s youngest son and the MMR vaccine – there was a ‘non-confirmation’ confirmation!

32065 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to T. Prince, #482 of 511 🔗

That second one is terrifying, couldn’t watch it all… how on earth do the military know that by 2025 the UK population will only be 10 million???

32082 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Carrie, #483 of 511 🔗

They don’t, see below.

32067 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to T. Prince, 1, #484 of 511 🔗

2nd one: Deagel.com is a model based on the collapse of the American economy and is likely no more accurate than Neil Ferguson was

32003 annie, replying to annie, 26, #485 of 511 🔗

Here’s a parable for Sunday, if the bishops haven’t succeeded in abolishing Sunday yet.

A certain man went down from Piccadilly to Hyde Park Corner, and fell among BML thugs, which beat him up, because he was white, leaving him half dead.

And by chance there cam down a certain C of E rector that way; and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.

And likewise an NHS nurse, when she was near the place, looked on him, and saw he wore no face mask, and passed by on the other side.

But a certain human being, as he journeyed, came where he was, and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,

And went to him, and raised him up, and put him in his car, and drove him to A and E, and insisted that he be given treatment then and there.

And when he departed, he exhorted A and E, saying, Take care of him, and see that ye say not that he died of Covid 19.

Which now of these three, thinkest thou, did right?

And they all answered, the rector and the nurse, for they observed social distancing, and acted in accordance with the New Normal.

Go, and do thou likewise, and forget all that ‘human being’ nonsense.

32005 ▶▶ Mark, replying to annie, #486 of 511 🔗

Time for a Newer Testament and a new Covenant. The rock having clearly failed.

32022 ▶▶ IanE, replying to annie, #487 of 511 🔗

Yeah, not much humanity about at the moment, and none in this vile government (and only the odd hint, here and there, in Parliament).

32024 ▶▶ Dave Tee, replying to annie, #488 of 511 🔗

Many are they that pass by on the other side as I approacheth, thinking me to be an leper and accursed of the Lord. truly, they commit the sin of Onan with Tamar.

32011 Shep, 9, #489 of 511 🔗
Dont't know what everyone else thinks but I am getting really pissed off with this government and all the other businesses and organisations that seem to be activley trying to fuck us all up for no reason  and getting us to pay for it all through future taxes. Fuck them all!
32039 Sarigan, #490 of 511 🔗

!4 injured, 3 dead in multiple stabbings in Reading. Possibly terror related:


32040 Mark, 1, #491 of 511 🔗

Looking at the “community guidelines” for this Parler Twitter alternative, it looks as though they are about as good as we will get. No provision for “hate speech” or for people complaining about “offence”, and nothing that looks as though it will be easily twisted into such. So there’s some protection from what happened to Twitter, Facebook etc.

Nothing to stop the management deciding it has to be “responsible” once it gets big enough to want to appeal to the mainstream, but it’s pretty much impossible to guard against that anyway. Just have to be ready to jump ship when it happens. Vehicles for p rovision of information and the expression of opinions are perhaps the only areas where diversity is actually an unalloyed good. Knowing who the owners are would be useful as a guide to how things might go.

Having to comply with the US’s definitions of “terrorist groups” is a problem, since that is usually determined by the US’s interests and the interests of those who can influence the US regime, but since the US is pretty much the only country in the world with even a plausible pretence of genuine protection for free speech generally, it’s the best we will get I think.

Expect lots of huge rows with “racists” and “antisemites” and “homophobes” and “sexists”, but hopefully at least they won’t be able to easily ban them, so the debates will at least take place.


Then again, it’s easy to be free when you are small. The identity lobby groups haven’t even started to put the pressure on.

32041 Rabbit, 7, #492 of 511 🔗

Watching the football right now on TV, can’t really believe what I am seeing.

On the plus side, have had children’s friends over for several hours today and I find this encouraging that even if we might not be saying it out loud the other parents must be like minded. No social distancing, just normal life.

32045 Tony Rattray, replying to Tony Rattray, 8, #493 of 511 🔗

Lockdown isn’t working. Britain’s better off without sage, boris, nicola and mark.

32058 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Tony Rattray, 4, #494 of 511 🔗

This clearly isn’t about any pandemic, deadly virus, second third or fourth wave. It is has clearly all been manufactured for some reason to destroy society in it’s current form. After all this time in isolation, paranoia is setting in because it doesn’t make any sense to me whatsoever

32063 ▶▶▶ Tony Rattray, replying to T. Prince, 3, #495 of 511 🔗

Its the final coronation of the nanny state, but the crown will fall. Stay sane.

32047 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #496 of 511 🔗

More antisocial distancing lunacy, this time the pub:

At this rate how many pubs will still be there before October?

32056 ▶▶ Rabbit, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #497 of 511 🔗

So many hard earned businesses, my nearest local had only recently been taken over, doing such a good job as well. I will be there on the 4th supporting them even if I have to stand outside in an umbrella in the rain.

32064 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Rabbit, #498 of 511 🔗

Good luck. Hopefully your local won’t be as bad as this one.

32112 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Bart Simpson, #499 of 511 🔗

i can see that working well after 5 or 6 pints

32207 ▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Bart Simpson, #500 of 511 🔗

Oh goodness I couldn’t even finish watching that! How on earth does the lady presenter keep a straight face explaining all that garbage?

32051 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 2, #501 of 511 🔗

I made a comment about the rather unusual background of the former head of NHSX. This is the unit of the NHS that came up with the plan to develop an in-house mobile app.
A degree in Divinity followed by 13 years at the Foreign Office does not sound the most likely background for a technology innovator.
My comment was removed!

32059 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to WhyNow, #502 of 511 🔗

Where did you make the comment?

32061 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Hail, 2, #504 of 511 🔗

It’s great having all this data, but thoroughly soul destroying when you see MSM still doubling down with the hysteria

32057 Polemon2, 5, #505 of 511 🔗

Visited local garden centre today.Not particularly busy but had some vicarious pleasure in walking in the opposite direction of every “one-way” floor mrking.

32066 Mark, replying to Mark, 1, #506 of 511 🔗

Prince Harry backs move to ban Swing Low, Sweet Chariot: Duke of Sussex signals his support for review of England rugby anthem linked to slavery despite huge backlash from fans
More establishment cowardice. When even the likes of Johnson is showing signs of a spine on an issue, you’ve got to be pretty invertebrate to do what this “Prince” has done.

32092 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mark, #507 of 511 🔗

What a nasty little louse.

32206 ▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Mark, #508 of 511 🔗

As far as I can understand, this is a political issue and Royals don’t get involved with politics? Or as he’s left the Royal family I suppose he thinks it’s ok to do so now. Lost all respect for him a few months ago I’m afraid. Very sad, as he’s been led up a very thorny garden path.

32078 WhyNow, #509 of 511 🔗

Interesting. A second post deleted, containing a simple factual comment about NHSX.

32211 CarrieAH, #510 of 511 🔗


Coronavirus has downgraded from a “tiger to a wild cat” and could die out on its own without a vaccine, an infectious diseases specialist has claimed.

Prof Matteo Bassetti, head of the infectious diseases clinic at the Policlinico San Martino hospital in Italy, told The Telegraph that Covid-19 has been losing its virulence in the last month and patients who would have previously died are now recovering.

The expert in critical care said the plummeting number of cases could mean a vaccine is no longer needed as the virus might never return.

32259 James Plevick, 2, #511 of 511 🔗

Great site Toby. This whole virus schlock is greatest crock of all time. Media fomented and greedily grasped by power-crazed psycopaths.


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