2020-07-19

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56997 Edgar Friendly, replying to Edgar Friendly, 5, #1 of 1029 🔗

I think this woman should be cancelled as she is clearly not apologetic about her slave-owner ancestor:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53444752

57033 ▶▶ Jane, replying to Edgar Friendly, 6, #2 of 1029 🔗

“About 1.5 million Igbo slaves were shipped across the Atlantic Ocean between the 15th and 19th Centuries.”

Long before the 15th century there was an active trade in slaves in East Africa with Arab traders. This trade started in the Middle Ages and continued into the 20th century. White slaves were also sold in the premodern slave markets of the Middle East, India, North Africa, Constantinople, and elsewhere. Most of these white slaves were Slavs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_medieval_Europe#Slave_trade

57048 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jane, 3, #3 of 1029 🔗

Seems the New York Times needs cancelling itself as, according to the New York Post, the family of its founder owned slaves (18/7/20 sorry, can’t do links from s phone).

Suggestion for Covid theme song
‘It’s All Over Now baby blue.’

57342 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Jane, 2, #4 of 1029 🔗

John Newton composer of ‘Amazing Grace’ was a former slave trader. Being himself enslaved by Princess Peye of the Shebro of Sierra Leone may have helped reform his ideas.

57101 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Edgar Friendly, 4, #5 of 1029 🔗

Are the BLM movement and apologists going to claim compensation from her? Surprises me that the BBC actual admit that the africans were responsible for creating the slave trade. Noted however that the huge diagram only refers to slave movements from africa to the americas. Doesnt mention any slave movements internally within africa of from africa to the arab areas . Coincidentally, C4 news had a piece on black/people of colour (delete as necessary) relocating from USA to Ghana (going back to my roots) because there is no racism there. Really? The African states have such a recent history of brotherly love

57508 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to mjr, 1, #6 of 1029 🔗

Rwanda.

57337 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Edgar Friendly, 5, #7 of 1029 🔗

Typical BBC BS in the box at the end

  • ‘How the UK abolished slavery
  • 1833 Parliament outlawed slavery in most British colonies
  • 1834 Law took effect
  • 800,000 slaves were freed
  • £20m allocated to pay for “damages” suffered by owners
  • 0 compensation for freed slaves

No mention of RN West Africa Squadron (incl. HMS Black Joke) expending blood and treasure from 1808 to supress the slave trade.

57027 Jane, replying to Jane, -1, #8 of 1029 🔗

“including the 153 signatories of the Harper’s letter, and Bari Weiss, who recently resigned from the New York Times . (You can read the Harper’s letter here and Bari’s resignation letter here .)”

Sorry, Toby, you’ve been had by Bari Weiss.
She has spent her whole career “canceling” others, starting when she was in college and attempted to get professors tossed out whom she and her pals didn’t approve of.

Please inform yourself—check out her canceling record— before you make a heroine of some kind of Bari Weiss.

I do hope that you are not in favor of shooting peaceful protesters in Gaza, including young female medics, children, and unarmed youths, as is Bari Weiss. It would be a huge disappointment if that were the case–if you were a supporter of the apartheid state of Israel, as is Bari Weiss.

Most likely Weiss’s exit from the NYT is a strategic move of some kind, as dissected here:
https://consortiumnews.com/2020/07/17/did-neocon-cancel-queen-stage-nyt-exit-to-fuel-her-next-move/

57042 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jane, 2, #9 of 1029 🔗

Don’t know the particulars of this case but there are lots of these ex cancellers becoming anti cancellers. We really need a sincere mea culpa from them accepting that they should have supported the Voltairian Principle all along.

57059 ▶▶▶ Jane, replying to OKUK, #10 of 1029 🔗

If you want a laff break, watch This—Weiss is a car wreck:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpurFfcSNfU

Jimmy Dore (a comedian with a politcal show) takes her apart here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/samharris/comments/d4mysi/jimmy_dore_humiliates_bari_weiss_for_badly/

57063 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jane, #11 of 1029 🔗

Dore’s a dumb Trumpophobe as I recall. I don’t give much time. Seems to follow a Russia Today kind of narrative.

57064 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jane, replying to OKUK, #12 of 1029 🔗

Hmm, sounds l like you think there are some smart Trumpophobes!
I don’t think you are right, though, regarding Dore qua Trumpophobe.
Dore has it in for the whole political establishment. Dore lambasted the Russiagate fabrication.
Can be quite funny, sometimes tedious.

Anyhow, this is about Bari Weiss, not Dore.
Misdirection?

57076 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Jane, 7, #13 of 1029 🔗

If i lived next door to the monsters that run Gaza i don’t think i’d be inviting them round for tea but i guess like all anti Israel you live nowhere fucking near the clitoris cutting monsters that run Gaza.

57093 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Biker, #14 of 1029 🔗

you approve of foreskin cutting monsters then?

57168 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to anon, -1, #15 of 1029 🔗

He wrote the reverse of that!

57279 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to IanE, #16 of 1029 🔗

Whoosh!

57298 ▶▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to IanE, #17 of 1029 🔗

he did?

I think I’ve lost my mind some days with everything that’s going on right now

57239 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Biker, 1, #18 of 1029 🔗
  • There might be some that applaud this sort of irrelevant crap in a Lockdown blog – like 77th Brigade.
57299 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to Jane, 5, #19 of 1029 🔗

People are allowed to grow up! And change, and learn, and evolve. By that standard I should be cancelled for stupid views I held as a student, and if that was the standard we most certainly wouldn’t have heard of Toby Young. The problem with wokeness if there’s no redemption, it’s like the Spanish Inquisition, your only option is the dunking stool or the rack.

57031 Ryan, replying to Ryan, 20, #20 of 1029 🔗

Self certify as not having to wear a face nappy…. job done.

Simple as that.

Dunno why that is not a headline for Friday.

Self Certify as Exempt.

It stops on Friday if enough people SELF CERTIFY AS EXEMPT

57036 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Ryan, 2, #21 of 1029 🔗

Hi Ryan how do you mean self certify?

57040 ▶▶▶ Ryan, replying to Dave #KBF, 10, #22 of 1029 🔗

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own#exemptions-to-wearing-a-face-covering-where-they-are-mandated

5. Exemptions to wearing a face covering where they are mandated

if putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress

57041 ▶▶▶▶ Ryan, replying to Ryan, 18, #23 of 1029 🔗

Wearing a face nappy will cause me severe distress.

Prove otherwise.

Put one on, collapse on the floor, get the manager of M§S or Tesco to call you an ambulance.

500 folk did that and it would stop in 24 hours.

57044 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ryan, 13, #24 of 1029 🔗

I tried one and it caused me severe distress. I will deffo use that.

57051 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to OKUK, 8, #25 of 1029 🔗

You just have to tell them you have a medical condition that is none of their business and you do not need a doctors note; should they then refuse you entry you could try calling ‘Disability Discrimination’.
It will work for me since at some point in the legal process I will show my medical record which includes COPD and asthma (not that it affects me much as yet).

57119 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to karenovirus, 10, #26 of 1029 🔗

I had to wear a muzzle to be allowed to have an MRI at a private hospital (that the NHS wanted doing) and wasn’t allowed to remove it the entire time. They made the MRI procedure even more claustrophobic

57206 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Chris John, 5, #27 of 1029 🔗

I bet it did. Having a MRI is pretty nasty anyway. Masked up, I bet it was really horrible.

57274 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Chris John, 14, #28 of 1029 🔗

I had a CT scan last week, and am a frequent flier in hospitals.

It is the one situation in which I don’t make a fuss about wearing a mask, since the poor bloody infantry have to wear them all the time – and there is *some* rationale.. But I have sat next to a brother Old Fart who, despite severe COPD was wearing a mask!

One thing is proven beyond doubt, however : they are extremely uncomfortable and undoubtedly inhibit natural airflow (since when is that a good idea except in exceptional circumstances). For wearers of glasses, it’s even more inconvenient.

The counter-argument I heard this morning is that it’s ‘to make people feel more comfortable’. As if it’s a good idea to confirm delusionary and anti-social behaviour!

No doubt solid citizens of the Third Reich felt ‘more comfortable’ when Jewish neighbours were taken elsewhere?

57378 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to RickH, 7, #29 of 1029 🔗

Yes, even as the Jewish people felt more comfortable wearing the yellow star – for the protection of others in the Third Reich you understand.

57576 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to RickH, 1, #30 of 1029 🔗

Well, it doesn’t make me feel comfortable, nor MOH, or a lot of other people.
If that’s the best argument they come up with, it’s a pretty poor one.

57062 ▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Ryan, 2, #31 of 1029 🔗

Funnily enough I was thinking along the same lines! Spot on Ryan!
DavidC

57124 ▶▶▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to Ryan, 19, #32 of 1029 🔗

They definitely cause me severe distress, even seeing others in them causes me distress.

57515 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Moomin, 2, #33 of 1029 🔗

For the past several weeks in Montreal I have noticed more and more motorists wearing masks in cars, trucks, vans, ambulances, etc. Last year at this time these same people would have been flagged by the police and be told to pull over and most likely would have received a ticket.

58013 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to richard riewer, #34 of 1029 🔗

I don’t think they ever thought what would happen if they passed out due to hypoxia or hypercapnia.

57086 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Ryan, 2, #35 of 1029 🔗

Didn’t the earlier version of the regs have a specific exemption for asthma sufferers? That seems to have quietly been removed.

57173 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to davews, 7, #36 of 1029 🔗

It’s become much more general now as even the likes of the British Heart Foundation has recommended that those with heart problems or had undergone a procedure should not be wearing muzzles.

57208 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bart Simpson, 18, #37 of 1029 🔗

I didn’t have a heart problem but if I come through this current horror show I almost certainly will have. The stress has made my hair start to grow grey. I am constantly in fight or flight mode 24/7. I go to sleep with my heart pounding and wake up with my heart pounding.
Interacting with the PPE clad maniacs out there and dealing with the mental rules causes my extreme stress.

57229 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Two-Six, 9, #38 of 1029 🔗

I won’t be surprised if stress has gone up the roof. Where I work reopens this Thursday and to be honest, I’ve not been sleeping well because despite the fact that I know we won’t be swamped with visitors, its the OTT “safety” procedures we have to follow that’s doing my head in. Not to mention the potential of being snitched on by some colleagues to management.

57278 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #39 of 1029 🔗

I think that there is little doubt that now, the ancillary consequences of Lock-Up and other measures are causing far more damage in many ways than anything done by this mild and selective infection.

57476 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to RickH, 1, #40 of 1029 🔗

That true although I seriously doubt if my Rip van Winkle colleagues are aware of this development. I have been for a long time now and yet everytime I mention this I always get the plaintive “but what about the second wave?” question

57513 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Azoumi, replying to Two-Six, 2, #41 of 1029 🔗

spot on….me too. It’s bad enough that I have to wear them for certain aspects of my job…but I’ve done my bit and carried on….but this ridiculous lunacy has to stop! I’ve got myself a badge and lanyard to say I’m exempt and they can go f*** themselves!

57516 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to Two-Six, 1, #42 of 1029 🔗

same here.

honestly feels like they might be feeding off all this fear and anxiety as mad as that sounds

57772 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Bart Simpson, #43 of 1029 🔗

Do you have a link to that advice? I’ve had a look on the BHF website and they just quote the government guidelines.

58015 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lms23, #44 of 1029 🔗

Tried looking for it, its possible that they changed it under pressure from certain quarters.

However someone else here posted a video from a Canadian doctor who does clearly mention those with heart problems should not wear them.

57269 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ryan, 7, #45 of 1029 🔗

Might be mentioning that there are two relevant clauses in this pile if garbage :

  • if putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress
  • to avoid harm or injury, or the risk of harm or injury, to yourself or others

I guess that many stores will not want to get the jackboots on : they’re under no compulsion to do so, and even so, we should be sympathetic to any staff member who gets trapped by the stupidity of all this nonsense.

That said – my first move will be to simply state that I’m exempt under both of those clauses. Which is true.

Should that be questioned, I am quite happy to demonstrate why. Graphically.

57136 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #46 of 1029 🔗
57146 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #47 of 1029 🔗

Great link thanks. Clearly set out

57159 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, #48 of 1029 🔗

I think there’s a video too but this one is great as you said clearly set out plus jargon free and not patronising.

57164 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Victoria, 1, #49 of 1029 🔗

I’m not sure it’s actually accurate though.

57398 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to matt, 2, #50 of 1029 🔗

It’s not – mask wearing is mandated by statute, not guidelines. The line to take on masks is that you’re exempt on health grounds (restrictions to breathing, distress, anxiety, etc).

57464 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Ed Turnbull, #51 of 1029 🔗

Thanks for answering that. I asked that question here yesterday. It is statute and not guideline?

57614 ▶▶▶▶ Jane, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #52 of 1029 🔗

Great link! Thanks.

57100 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Ryan, #53 of 1029 🔗

Buy the lanyard off Amazon if you can’t be bothered to discuss it with the sanctimonious idiots. Flash it in their faces with a smug smirk if challenged 🙂

57157 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Ryan, 3, #54 of 1029 🔗

I will just tell them I disagree with the government and now is the time to rise up against it.

57288 ▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to Ryan, 5, #55 of 1029 🔗

Does Asperger’s syndrome count as a medical exemption. And has anyone ever seen Greta wearing a mask?

57290 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, 7, #56 of 1029 🔗

The rules are sufficiently vague that virtually anything could count as a medical exemption as long as you say it does. Someone said that asthma seems to have been dropped – it hasn’t – it’s there under physical impairment.

57039 richard riewer, #57 of 1029 🔗

If you can still access the Bloomberg Opinion page with Pankaj Mishra, the article just below was written by Michael Bloomberg, trashing Trump’s handling of the CDC. I started reading it but was blocked by a message telling me that I had reached my limit.

57043 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 45, #58 of 1029 🔗

All you have to say on Friday if challenged is ” I am exempt for a medical reason ”
You don’t have to give the reason to anyone as it is confidential .

If you wish to tell someone you can say it causes you severe distress. You can give them some story of post traumatic syndrome from childhood. Don’t give any further information.

Before March 2020 we lived in a free country , now we live in a medical directed authoritarian state

57047 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Peter Thompson, 17, #59 of 1029 🔗

I think my distress is genuine but wouldn’t anyone who knew about the negative health effects of masks be distressed?

57295 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, 10, #60 of 1029 🔗

A crucial point.

Remember – this measure reverses both medical ethics and the normal basis of risk assessment.

i.e It is corrupt.

57158 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Peter Thompson, 4, #61 of 1029 🔗

I will just tell them I disagree with the government and now is the time to rise up against it.

57404 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Jonathan Castro, 2, #62 of 1029 🔗

That is what I would like to do, I m not sure I ll be brave enough though. Maybe if I don t have my children in tow, otherwise I will probably avoid all confrontation. Our town fbook page users have been talking about how they will take photos of people not wearing them and post the pictures to publicly shame them..this fills me with horror. I don t wish to collaborate with all this nonsense though.

57438 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to watashi, 5, #63 of 1029 🔗

Don’t believe anything you read on Facebook. It is patrolled by 77th Brigade and 13th Signals to whip up the fear porn.

57471 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to watashi, 5, #64 of 1029 🔗

Don’t worry about them. They are setting themselves up to be threatened with two things:

  1. a fist being slammed against their face especially if they try doing that in a rough part of Glasgow
  2. a possible court case for harassment and breach of privacy law.

They should be really thinking hard because I don’t think they will be feeling so self-righteous if they got beaten up or taken to the cleaners and having to pay a huge compensation.

58090 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to watashi, #65 of 1029 🔗

Which town isn’t that?

57050 Ryan, 15, #66 of 1029 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-53462514

And the readership of the Grauniad and the Daily Mail think plod will be attending every incidence of non mask wearing on Friday.

Deluded on so many different levels.

57054 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 31, #67 of 1029 🔗

Toby, thank you for the update yet again, you are a machine!

I’m sure the good people below the line would not begrudge you a few days off away from posting, you’ve provided an exceptional space here for a thriving, self-sufficient community of sceptics who I’m sure are all toasting your good health as you enjoy some quality time with the family.

Again, thank you for all that you do for us. Now recharge those batteries and return to the battlefield fighting fit!

57057 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Scotty87, 32, #68 of 1029 🔗

Scotty. I agree that we here are all very, very grateful for the exceptional work that Toby et al does every day on our behalf. But I am becoming increasingly despondent that the mounting mountain of evidence that we see is having zero effect on anyone in government/MSM. They just keep on churning out the Covid deception on a daily basis. Can anyone give me just a tad of reassurance that things will change anytime soon….please?

57067 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to T. Prince, 65, #69 of 1029 🔗

I agree with you on this. I am also becoming increasingly despondent that people just don’t see the truth. I can’t understand whether it is their inability to employ critical thinking or that they just can’t bear the fact that they may have been ‘had’.

As I’ve said before, I could understand the hysteria if people were dropping dead in the street. Or, if supermarket/shop staff were dying at a rate of knots. But they’re not so why the continued hysteria? I’ve been back at work since the government graciously *allowed* me to commence earning a living (working longer hours to try and claw back my losses) and other than having severe allergic reactions to that effing gloop people are slathering all over themselves, I have been fine. Surely by now, if this thing were so virulent, I would have succumbed.

People just don’t get the concept of the loss of liberty and the impact it will have on all our futures. And I find that profoundly depressing.

57078 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 20, #70 of 1029 🔗

Things will turn, with a vengeance against those who have done this.

When you look at what people have done in the past to fight for and establish the freedoms which, until a few weeks. ago, we all took for granted as being immutable, we really aren’t up against much are we? We really don’t have to endure that much in comparison.

There’s someone who posts on here calling themselves John Lilburne (haven’t seen them for a bit). Many people may not realise that there was a seventeenth-century John Lilburne. Have a brief read about his life and see what he went through, and others of his era (John Eliot is a favourite of mine). And the Eliots and Lilburnes went on struggling for years and years, both probably being brought to an early grave by what they went through.

Were John Lilburne alive today he’d plonk himself at the doorway of any supermarket which wouldn’t allow non-muzzle-wearers in and go on hunger strike until they did, and think little of it.

I know what we are seeing now is depressing, and it’s depressing to think that on Friday I have to make a point of going to a shop un-muzzled. But then I remember that I’m really not asking that much of myself. Rather than struggling, it’s just a laugh.

57137 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 14, #71 of 1029 🔗

Thanks very much for this.

Oh gosh, I certainly wasn’t equating this crapfest with historical struggles.

My concern is focussed on the fact that no matter how much you reason with those who are convinced by the scare-mongering , they just look on blankly, and parrot the mantra that they have been force-fed, without for a moment stopping to think about it rationally. When I tried to reason with a (now ex) friend she wailed “but it’s killing baybees”.

I know to us it’s a “laugh”, it’s just the other buggers that worry me. The ones who really are convinced that this is the plague. And I really do not relish being branded a “murderer”.

57154 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 18, #72 of 1029 🔗

Yes, it’s just my way of putting this all in perspective. I’m not a confrontational person, and I agree with the rule of law – but this is all too much. Every time I wonder whether it’s worth the hassle of fighting against this garbage (not very often) I think back to those people.

My posts are usually me thinking aloud, debating things with myself as it were.

Like you, I’m astonished and depressed that my fellow citizens appear to have have pretty well swallowed this pile of crap all the way. But then again they’ve been force-fed it by the MSM and almost every politician. That’s why for me this doesn’t end with the end of covid measures – the MSM and our whole system must be sorted.

I’m still depressed that more people can’t see through it though – although maybe increasing numbers can, and we just don’t see it yet.

As regards being brandished a murderer, well it it was only a few weeks ago that we were being called the same for being lockdown deniers and saying that to avoid the disease people should get outside in the fresh air and daylight. ‘You’re killing people’ was the retort we all had. Well now it is generally accepted that lack of vitamin D makes covid worse, and that it spreads worse indoors. Even that prat Hancock accepted last week that it was better we get outdoors – after all his garbage back in March/April. So who, in retrospect, was ‘killing people’?

If the compulsory muzzles gets through without too much trouble, then the next is compulsory vaccinations.

57160 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to TJN, #73 of 1029 🔗

And then what? Compulsory confiscation and euthanasia of our pets? After all they ‘might’ transmit this ‘disease’ for which the evidence is fast disappearing. This fiasco become more terrifying g by the day.

57170 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJN, 7, #74 of 1029 🔗

A govt spokeslady was on R4 Today saying just that, at the end of an item about various vaccines being trialled, the interviewer asked about the third of the population said to be against vaccination she replied the current regulations would stay in place until they did. Just as predicted 6-7 weeks ago.

57201 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to karenovirus, 9, #75 of 1029 🔗

I heard that interview – ominous sounding in places, especially as at one point Justin Webb appeared to be pushing compulsory vaccination.

But I did laugh at the bit where she admitted that it wouldn’t be possible to test the vaccine in he UK because there wasn’t enough covid around.

57335 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 5, #76 of 1029 🔗

That was no lady, that was a govt spokes creature.

57177 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 1, #77 of 1029 🔗

Really appreciate your comments TJN. And thanks for the recommendation to read up on John Lilburne. About to read a biography on John Stuart Mill.

57188 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to kh1485, 5, #78 of 1029 🔗

On Liberty is my bible

57210 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 7, #79 of 1029 🔗

Didn’t know about J S Mill – just googled him. There were hundreds and thousands of such people in the past to whom we owe so much – it leaves me feeling very humble. Seems a shame to throw it all away …

57520 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to TJN, 1, #80 of 1029 🔗

Fahrenheit 451.

57876 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to TJN, #81 of 1029 🔗

We won’t, we mustn’t.

57222 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TJN, 8, #82 of 1029 🔗

I got branded a murderer on local Facebook for handing out anti covid psy-op leaflets. The muppets were saying we should get charged with MANSLAUGHTER.

57235 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Two-Six, 11, #83 of 1029 🔗

Did you reply by telling them, if this is now the legal definition for manslaughter, then they will also be responsible for manslaughter for the infections they’ve had in the past such as measles, mumps, flu, streptococcus, common cold viruses, all diseases that they would’ve had over the years and passed on which somewhere down the chain would lead to someone dying.

Also, have they ever brought shares or do they have a pension? As it likely they have shares it companies that operate dubious practices or deal with countries that dodgy human rights records and persecute citizens or fund terrorism.

Then there is banking, virtually all banks provide money to buy and sell arms, so if you bank with them you are complicit in manslaughter in this way.

Their logic does not stand up.

57254 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to JohnB, 3, #84 of 1029 🔗

Guilt by association is now entirely acceptable.
Freedom of association however, is not.

57340 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, 1, #85 of 1029 🔗

Buying or selling arms does not necessarily lead to manslaughter. It is the uses to which arms are put that might. 🙂

Only replying as a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment, and because you signed off mentioning logic. 🙂

58029 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to JohnB, #86 of 1029 🔗

The 2nd amendment was drafted in case there was a need to to fight against resurgent tyranny, or defend your property from attack. It wasn’t envisaged it would give people the right to amass an armoury of automatic assault weapons.

58081 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bella, #87 of 1029 🔗

Tish and piffle, Bella. Can you really see a benefit in proposing people should be armed, but less well-armed than the tyrants ?

57248 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Two-Six, 11, #88 of 1029 🔗

Mrs TJN was regularly accused of ‘killing people’ for saying on other platforms that we should all ignore the official advice and get outside in the sunlight.

I can’t even deal with morons like that. They aren’t worth arguing with. Part of Mrs TJN does however seem to find them amusing.

57534 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, 1, #89 of 1029 🔗

I received an official letter from my social housing unit (HLM) administration in the final days of April, 2020. The letter accused me of letting strangers in my building, thereby endangering the lives of all the residents living in it, including myself. The following day the OMHM agent who wrote the letter (masked) knocked on my door. He was accompanied by a policewoman (unmasked). They repeated the same accusation to my face. Basically, they were accusing me of manslaughter. Right?

57542 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to richard riewer, 1, #90 of 1029 🔗

Conspiracy to commit manslaughter (yes, I know that’s not a thing).

I can’t decide whether it’s comforting or discomfiting to hear that the little stasi informants are active in Canada and not just the UK

57882 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to matt, 1, #91 of 1029 🔗

It is definitely discomfiting. Some of the people here are really enthusiastic about it, starting with the Premier of Quebec. Frightening.

57789 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Two-Six, 6, #92 of 1029 🔗

If they think you’re guilty of manslaughter, what do they have to say about Public Health England, who told hospitals to discharge patients to care homes, and killed residents tgere?
Or the cancer, stroke, heart attack victims who have died because of no treatment y the NHS?

57162 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to kh1485, 15, #93 of 1029 🔗

Early on LS Toby published a study by a psychologist (I think) that made it clear that you cannot argue with these people. The more facts you give them, the more resolute they become in their views.

Instead of providing facts maybe some of the following could assist.

  • Ask ‘why’ repeatedly
  • Ask how many people they know that died from covid
  • Ask why they haven’t seen their children/grandchildren
  • Ask how many people they know did not get the healthcare they desperately need
  • Ask how many people they know in care homes that were neglected or died because their families were not allowed
  • ask them if they improved their immune system
57341 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, 6, #94 of 1029 🔗

They’ve been deliberately hypnotised into extreme fear. Love is the cure, in whichever way one is able to manifest it.

Humour’s great. Facts and questions can help, if they start the discussion. Otherwise I stick to generalities such as “It’s all bollocks, this xxyyzz, isn’t it ?”.

57181 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 10, #95 of 1029 🔗

I think that’s the problem. You try to reason with someone and its always the same old tropes being trotted out – “what about the second wave?”, “what about infections?”, “you won’t be so sure when you’re inside the ventilator”, yadda, yadda

And its no better with the muzzles because they will try to guilt trip you and brand you for being uncaring and not concerned about the “safety” of others.

57343 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #96 of 1029 🔗

They are not really ‘worthy opponents’. But we do need to repair them, somehow.

57467 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JohnB, 1, #97 of 1029 🔗

Agree. However I sometimes think that they need to be hit by a reality check themselves like a redundancy or tax raid or know someone who ends up in a bad way because of delayed or postponed screening or treatment for the likes of cancer. If our warnings won’t wake them up perhaps being hit on the pocket or stomach or health wise will.

58032 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Bart Simpson, #98 of 1029 🔗

Well disarm them by saying they are right, you absolutely don’t give a shit about anyone else. And when they get in their car (doesn’t matter if you have one or not) shout that they don’t either, otherwise they wouldn’t be driving.

58020 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to kh1485, 3, #99 of 1029 🔗

You could do worse than equate this’ crap fest’ with historical struggles. Lilburne had very few allies as do most agitators at the beginning. (Very few people want to rock the boat.) People won’t join you unless they think they can win. We’re at the beginning of this, what happens when the loss of GDP takes its toll? In the last ten years UK economy has grown by 1.5% – 2% a year. In April alone this year GDP fell by over 20% (in one month!) So I wouldn’t underestimate this ‘crapfest’. No healthy lawful person in Lilburne’s early protesting was ordered to stay at home, told what to wear (muzzles) or who they could have sex with. No theatres or pubs were closed before the Civil War. And although he was a Puritan he came to see them as tyrants because he believed in ‘freedom.’ Come October, if not earlier, that is what we could be fighting for, if we are brave enough. Before our very eyes our civil liberties are being dissolved. Are we going to wait until they force us into orange jump suits before we do anything?

58106 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bella, 1, #100 of 1029 🔗

Fair point Bella.

On your last sentence, I am trying to do something. I engage with most people in my shop who have absolutely no concept of what is on the horizon economically speaking. I think there is this delusion, certainly amongst the professional/retired middle classes, that this will not touch them. They are in for a very big shock.

58114 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bella, #101 of 1029 🔗

An astute post I think, with lots of important points – especially about Lilburne starting out largely alone.

Interestingly, he became a Quaker later on.

Before we get to orange jump suits I reckon we’ll be issued with different colour muzzles to identify our status in the New Normal.

57330 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TJN, 8, #102 of 1029 🔗

Gives you five days to change the prospect of not wearing a mask on Friday from depressing to something else, TJN. 🙂

Exciting, liberating, rebellious, honest, sensible, helpful to others, necessary, a good example, etc. etc.

I’ll pop to the local supermarkets unmasked on Friday, and the prospect does cause butterflies in the stomach sometimes. But compared to some previous challenges such as defying the Sheriff of Nottingham, beheading our monarch, creating the Bill of Rights, and defeating Hitler, I think we can cope. 🙂 🙂

57357 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JohnB, 4, #103 of 1029 🔗

Yes, pretty well my thoughts exactly. I’ve got other things to be doing in my life aside from dealing with this shit, but this takes priority right now. I’m actually looking forward to it.

Of your adjectives, honest is about the closest to my feelings about it. Or at least not being a coward.

As you say, I’m sure we can cope.

57884 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to JohnB, 1, #104 of 1029 🔗

Thank you John, for those words. I oscillate between defiance and fear of seeing so many masked drones, which is making me feel physically sick. Nothing compared to those young boys who were told they were dying for our freedoms. We must not let them down.

57875 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to TJN, #105 of 1029 🔗

TJN, you’ve really put it into persepctive. I’ve been dreading having a battle but it’s nothing to what those young men and boys did for us in two dreadful wars. Youve really encouraged me to brave it out, thank you.

57926 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Lili, #106 of 1029 🔗

It’s a question that the thought of not having the battle is far, far worse for me than facing up.

Thanks for your thanks! Perspective is everything, and difficult when you’re close up as we all are. Looking back into history is a good way of gaining perspective and identifying principles.

58033 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to TJN, 1, #107 of 1029 🔗

I think the worst thing is facing everyone else with masks. I went into a local hotel the other day that I used quite a lot before lockdown – great for coffee. Been using it for years so I know most of the staff. Apart from the young Chinese girl (obvious even with a mask) I didn’t recognise any of them because they were all masked up. These were all people I could refer to by name in March. It was embarrassing having to ask them who they were. (Addendum: I didn’t buy anything in there, told them I wouldn’t on a point of principle. Just went in there because I wanted to see the lie of the land.)

58111 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bella, #108 of 1029 🔗

‘Ghoulish’ is the word that occurs to me.

57082 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 11, #109 of 1029 🔗

I can’t understand whether it is their inability to employ critical thinking or that they just can’t bear the fact that they may have been ‘had’.

You beat me to it as I was mulling this over the weekend. I think a lot of people are embarrassed or ashamed to admit they have been had.

57088 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to stefarm, 7, #110 of 1029 🔗

Quite simply, they think (if you can call it that) “This is what we have to do.” No question, no consideration.

57346 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #111 of 1029 🔗

Brainwashed.

57348 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, 1, #112 of 1029 🔗

(Them, not you Sam). 🙂

57106 ▶▶▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to stefarm, #113 of 1029 🔗

I think most of them are too stupid to realise. I wonder if they’ve been infected with something that has completely destroyed their ability to apply critical thinking or judgement.

57107 ▶▶▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to stefarm, 6, #114 of 1029 🔗

Critical thinking: Cognitive biases seem to have been in play very strongly, especially, the zero risk bias, and the regret aversion bias.

57283 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 2, #115 of 1029 🔗

Also the Sunken Cost Fallacy as well as Commitment and Consistency, a really powerful one. Often called the Car Salesman Situation.

57114 ▶▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to stefarm, 14, #116 of 1029 🔗

Don’t know who said it but it seems to be a case of “less of the critical thinking, more of the obedient servant”

I certainly agree with your last point, Steven. I spent an hour on the ‘phone to a friend this weekend feeding her information about PCR tests, numbers, death registrations by PHE and collateral damage. Her only response was to ask “Well, what about what doctors in ICUs were saying?” She is intelligent and well educated but seemed to be shocked when I said that I expected deaths as a result of lockdown to be far, far worse than Covid numbers.

57123 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Margaret, 7, #117 of 1029 🔗

I think the ICU propaganda softened a lot of people up. It seems nowadays nearly every programme is a fly on the wall hospital show, 24 hrs in A&E etc and people have been scared (and fooled). I’ve seen these shows with patients involved in car accidents, we all still drive and ride motorbikes.

57145 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 8, #118 of 1029 🔗

I agree sprcifically about ICU footage being shown affected people.

Quite often the ICU footage looked dramatic but when looked at dispassionately it looked false or staged. Whether it was or it wasn’t the sense of dread such reports were designed to generate did not work on me. Perhaps it was because I found the reports manipulative and unreal looking I responded with contempt for the channels that broadcast such reports.

I never watch hospital drama so perhaps missed all the queues of reality I was to pick up the dread from.

I found ICU reports equally to the staged speech made by one NHS nurse being clapped out of hospital after weeks herself in ICU as a patient. That was scripted.

Via social media I certainly saw faked footage of an pop up hospital with lots of actors on beds in a giant hall. No medics just a conference hall full of people writhing in bed. Took a lot to arrange that footage but did not show people suffocating or suffering from any symptoms such as a cough. The timing of this footage was just before nighting gales announced. I believe it was from alleged to have been in China.

57174 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 3, #119 of 1029 🔗

Yep and the miraculous hospital built in China within 2 days. Scaremongering at it’s finest….whatever happened to that or am I just too far down the rabbit hole??

57192 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 3, #120 of 1029 🔗

Such footage cannot have been recent, all the local hospitals send covid cases to the main one here; last week they had 1 patient, down from 80 at Easter.

The only scary story the beeb could come up with today was an outbreak of SEVEN cases in a Scottish call centre ironically being used for Track’n’Trace.

57230 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 3, #121 of 1029 🔗

The “nightingale” field hospitals were all about a photo opportunity. They were a global phenomenon. One of the main tools to re-enforce the fear narrative. Nothing more.

57370 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, #122 of 1029 🔗

So maybe they never existed? Just the one photographed from different angles and sent out via reuters or the PA?

58092 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, #123 of 1029 🔗

no they did build them. EVERYBODY did, all over the world.

57349 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to stefarm, 3, #124 of 1029 🔗

It’s not called the ‘idiot box’ for nothing. 🙂

57140 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Margaret, 5, #125 of 1029 🔗

Don’t forget that we call it lockdown but the MSM still call it covid.

Until the real cause of the deaths and unemployment is labelled properly, many will remain convinced we’re in the middle of a terrible pandemic, rather than a disastrous lockdown.

57345 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to stefarm, #126 of 1029 🔗

That will certainly be a phase of their de-hypnosisisation. 🙂

57366 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, #127 of 1029 🔗

Or it’s a truth too dreadful to contemplate?

57090 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 1, #128 of 1029 🔗

The three points in your last para are the truth, and would be the view of any sane person.

57134 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to kh1485, 18, #129 of 1029 🔗

Late night ‘win’ here. A message came in from a relative – good nes for you, it said, you are right about masks they are no use. This is after much examination by tgem and family conversatiin with others who are brainwashed. One brain did manage to throw off the lies, others can do it.

57135 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to kh1485, 9, #130 of 1029 🔗

What you don’t put in the equation is the millions been paid fully in the case of Public Sector to sit at home and work (or maybe not work). Going back to the workplace would make then worse of in travel costs etc. Yes they will willingly take as long as can be milked off, thank you.

57406 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to kh1485, 1, #131 of 1029 🔗

Same here. It`s incredibly depressing.

57143 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to T. Prince, 13, #132 of 1029 🔗

Job losses, bankruptcies, repossessions, undiagnosed and untreated illnesses will soon become the focus of public concern. I wouldn’t be surprised if Boris ends up responsible for as many lost lives as Tony Blair. Perhaps he could think about this and change direction.

57191 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bugle, 6, #133 of 1029 🔗

And don’t forget an increase in mental illness and suicides especially due to what you’ve just mentioned. One of my colleagues has a neighbour who has mental health issues and just recently has disappeared from her flat. The police and her case worker were contacted and have launched a search for her but she hasn’t been found. They are now fearing for the worst.

57234 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #134 of 1029 🔗

One ouf our family members is STILL detained under the mental health act. Sectioned. She had a good job she was doing well pre-lockdown. The lockdown made her go totally psychotic.

57250 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Two-Six, 5, #135 of 1029 🔗

That neighbour used to take her meds and they did work but my colleague speculated that the lockdown has made her condition worse to the point that she stopped taking her medication and became progressively paranoid and depressed as the lockdown went on. I think that fact that its nearly 4 months now has pushed her over the edge.

57202 ▶▶▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to Bugle, 7, #136 of 1029 🔗

He doesn’t appear to be thinking about it and he’s not going to change direction now – he’s already moved on to the next event (Brexit?) – don’t forget none of us actually know unless there’s a close friend of his lurking here to correct me – but he doesn’t come across as empathetic or concerned about the millions of lives that are going to be so much poorer in so many ways for ever. It’s so depressing to think that he’s in charge (or is he?)

57363 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to T. Prince, #137 of 1029 🔗

Don’t become despondent! There are increasing numbers of us gaining momentum and we need to press on.

The fact that the Mail hyperbolically claimed that “hundreds” of people turned out for the the anti-mask demo yesterday will make a few more think and question.

Drip, drip, drip.

58005 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to T. Prince, #138 of 1029 🔗

I’m afraid that – like the homeopathic principle – it’s going to get worse before it gets better. I have yet to see anyone change their mind and say the measures taken were a bad idea after all. And by the time people realise what is going on they would have relinquished all their power.

57058 ▶▶ Jane, replying to Scotty87, 1, #139 of 1029 🔗

I second that!
Just finished reading the whole Commentary from CIDRAP (Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota—very respected American source).

It is brilliant. So glad these people are sticking to their guns. I have linked in our local comments page and told the mask bullies to stop it now. We’ll see what happens!

Your crush on the dimwit and intellectual midget Bari Weiss is forgiven . . .

57077 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Scotty87, 8, #140 of 1029 🔗

‘Terrifying? Let’s hope the journalist who wrote this story doesn’t encounter a spider in his bath.’

That had me spilling my tea with laughter.

57060 Basics, replying to Basics, 37, #141 of 1029 🔗

If masks are so important why is our UK Government and the devolved governments not buying and distributing them to all?

Billions spent already. PCR tests at £200 each, vaccine at £400 each, crap-track app at £X billion but our government isn’t settng up free mask distribution. Why not?

Our government leaves up to us to use cotton, wool, or dust masks. All in an effort, they say, will stop us killing a granny.

If this situation is all that they say it is, the Governments would be issuing masks to our country.

By their own rules it is criminal neglect to leave us to use poor quality face coverings when life is at stake.

Engineering firms mobilised themselves for ventilators before it was widely recognised that ventilators cause harm. A similar effort could easily have been carried out to manufacture the numbers of masks to the correct government quailty – whatever that may be.

Why is your government telling you to wear a mask yet not providing them? They say it is a matter of saving lives after all.

57061 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Basics, 4, #142 of 1029 🔗

Interesting point!
DavidC

57068 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Basics, 6, #143 of 1029 🔗

Excellent point.

57069 ▶▶ annie, replying to Basics, 20, #144 of 1029 🔗

So, if they graciously provided them, we’d be morally bound to wear them?
Be careful what you wish for.

Are they perchance made in China?

Also, don’t forget that our Fascist oppressors know perfectly well that face nappies are useless. They are needed to ‘reassure’ emerging zombies, who evidently find nothing alarming about emerging into a world of faceless shambling mummies.

57110 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to annie, 11, #145 of 1029 🔗

I’m issued a plastic food bin, it’s used to mix paint. There’s no obligation to wear a suffocating mask.

I think for some there is a strange terrifying quaility to being told you will kill people by not wearing a mask yet been left entirely to your own devices.

Seat Belts! Ok folks you all need to wear seat belt to save lives, of you go and make your own.

Terrifying madness.

57247 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 5, #146 of 1029 🔗

Knitted seat belts…

57268 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 3, #147 of 1029 🔗

I seriously might don a pair of my underpants over my head to go shopping in.

57352 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 1, #148 of 1029 🔗

We use our food bin to store kindling. 🙂 A nice securing handle, and totally watertight.

57796 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to annie, 1, #149 of 1029 🔗

Yes, precisely – just like When the Wind Blows.

57147 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, 1, #150 of 1029 🔗

Don’t give them ideas!!

57227 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Basics, 6, #151 of 1029 🔗

If they really cared, and really wanted to reduce deaths, they would provide all elderly and vulnerable people with the best medical grade masks that actually have some chance of protecting the wearer.

57356 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #152 of 1029 🔗

But then the truth about the dangers of mask-wearing would be inescapable.

57443 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #153 of 1029 🔗

Yes. I am confortable they don’t care in the least about people.

My thought was that the folk literally stitching together harmful homegrown masks haven’t realised the fatal flaw – if masks mattered their Government would surely provide 95 masks for all, at such a small cost compared to what has been wasted already.

Thanks to you and all for comments its an interesting point.

57242 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 16, #154 of 1029 🔗

If the really gave a flying monkey wank about old people they would give them more pension money, pay for good home care, pay for good residential care, encourage a healthy diet and make sure they could afford one. Encourage vitamin supplements and exercise.

They would put in effect policies in place to enhance social interaction with the elderly. They could pay for respite care and health holidays.

All the cash they have spent on this pantomime could have gone a very very very long way to significantly improving the health and well being of everybody, especially the elderly.

However I am sure the goal was to actually KILL as many people as possible to inflate this death stats to make what is a pretty crap and not very dangerous virus look deadly.

The bastards.

57410 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Basics, #155 of 1029 🔗

See Face Masks Mandated bk UK Govt. Specifically Say They Don’t Protect Against Covid 19, warning on packet

57827 ▶▶ Splendid Acres, replying to Basics, 4, #156 of 1029 🔗

Due to the complexity of the different contexts in which Covid-19 can spread and the rapidly changing and growing evidence base on the effectiveness of face masks and coverings, there are currently no UK product standards for face coverings.

This quote taken from section 7 of the document published 14 July available here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/

Now, considering the masks are supposed to prevent the spread of a virus (which they don’t, but that’s another matter) shouldn’t the UK Government, Public Health England or the NHS be providing correct sanitary disposal for biohazardous waste, or at least be banging on relentlessly about how to use masks, and correctly decontaminate re-usable ones?

Farce.

58004 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Splendid Acres, 2, #157 of 1029 🔗

You cannot make it up. It’s so clear the evidence shows them up at every turn. Every use of logic reveals an issue. Because it is a Farce.
Has there ever been a situation like it with so much directly provable junk across the entire board?

58078 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Basics, #158 of 1029 🔗

Don’t give them any ideas!

57065 Tony Rattray, replying to Tony Rattray, 23, #159 of 1029 🔗

CHARLATAN OF THE CENTURY!

Lockdown may cost 200,000 lives, Government report shows

link to report below:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/892030/S0120_Initial_estimates_of_Excess_Deaths_from_COVID-19.pdf

Basically, this is the belated cost versus benefit analysis done by the uk government for lockdown. The imperial / ferguson modelling is without doubt the key to it all. That is, still referencing circa 500k deaths with no action and circa 50k with action (lockdown).

So the utterly flawed modelling of ferguson completely undermined by the actual experience / data for sweden, means 50k deaths was actually just as likely with more limited voluntary social distancing and the full shielding of care homes (science and common sense).

Interestingly, the report does say:

“More targeted measures, such as shielding vulnerable people, will have a large benefit… but only a small negative impact on the economy. Measures that can be targeted are the most desirable by these outcomes.”

In other words, sweden with better shielding of care homes.

Ferguson should therefore be recorded by future historians as the CHARLATAN (W**KER) OF THE CENTURY!

Or to use a 16th century metaphor, burn him at the stake for speaking in tongues!

57066 ▶▶ Tony Rattray, replying to Tony Rattray, 9, #160 of 1029 🔗

4% infection fatality rate is the basis for the report. Oh dear!

57097 ▶▶▶ Invunche, replying to Tony Rattray, 7, #161 of 1029 🔗

PHE have the IFR at 100%

So just be thankful that Bozza & Dom didn’t go to them for advice.

They’d have ended up nuking the country.

57083 ▶▶ Mark B, replying to Tony Rattray, 7, #162 of 1029 🔗

This report was published in April so we now know the government lockdown was based on flawed advice but the repercussions are devastating.

57116 ▶▶ Invunche, replying to Tony Rattray, 9, #163 of 1029 🔗

There’s a lot to wade through in that report.

This is a particularly doozy.

“The average years of life lost for COVID-19 excess deaths are estimated to be 9.1”

How on Earth did they come to that figure?

UK average age of covid victims is what? 79/80.

And that’s not new. We already knew it would be in that ballpark from early figures of Diamond Princess and Northern Italy.

It’s not just that who ever wrote that report was cooking the figures. It’s also that thicko Boris didn’t know or realise that they’d cooked the figures.

57509 ▶▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to Invunche, 2, #164 of 1029 🔗

The 9.1 years of life lost comes from the average life expectancy of someone who has already made it to 80, rather than at birth. But that would include the majority of 80 year olds who are still healthy and leading a full life. For a fair comparison we should be counting people with the same mix of life threatening and life limiting conditions shared by 95% of people who have died “with” Covid19. I would guess their average age at death is much closer to 80 than it is to 90.

57148 ▶▶ Marcus, replying to Tony Rattray, 9, #165 of 1029 🔗

Notwithstanding the argument that attempts to control a virus with a sweeping lockdown are futile, in summary it’s clear they weighed up the expected deaths of lockdown (~150,000) versus the expected worst-case-scenario deaths of not locking down (~500,000).

Some large fraction at least of the lockdown deaths is of course inevitable when you suspend large swathes of healthcare services, so why was this compared with the apocalyptic unlikeliest outcome of the virus?

It’s just an obviously catastrophic failure in cost-benefit analysis and decision making.

57236 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Marcus, 6, #166 of 1029 🔗

How did they pick 150K without knowing how long the lockdown would continue for?

57070 CarrieAH, replying to CarrieAH, 12, #167 of 1029 🔗

Coronavirus: England’s test and trace programme ‘breaks GDPR data law’ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53466471

57071 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to CarrieAH, 5, #168 of 1029 🔗

I suppose you only have to look at who is in charge of this to be not surprised by that headline!

57072 ▶▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to kh1485, 1, #169 of 1029 🔗

Too true!

57081 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to CarrieAH, 8, #170 of 1029 🔗

Well that’s not surprising isn’t it? Given that the persona running it had to pay a massive fine for a major security breach that led to customer data being compromised.

57089 ▶▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #171 of 1029 🔗

Exactly.

57103 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to CarrieAH, 7, #172 of 1029 🔗

My missus has BBC on. I detest the thing. They are salivating for vaccines now and they are making up all these excuses that somehow the vaccines rapidly developed is okay and safe.

On the GDPR question the reporter was saying that the UK department doing Test and Trace assured the regulators that the data collected wasn’t used for any nefarious purpose.

Interesting because that is not sufficient excuse to keep the data under GDPR. A person must be able to have data destroyed.

Do I think this is a NWO conspiracy? Nah I just think it’s greed. This is like the commodities run that happened when MBS failed. Remember when the Philippines had to trace rice for oil? That kind of thing.

Pharma companies making money and people shortcutting things. Tamaflu II.

57073 james, replying to james, 2, #173 of 1029 🔗

Where did the Nottingham meet get advertised. I’m Leicester and would have most likely attended

57079 ▶▶ anon, replying to james, 2, #174 of 1029 🔗

me too

57215 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to james, 3, #175 of 1029 🔗

I discovered this website last night. More events coming up. Sheffield every week!

https://www.standupx.info/

57074 Maritsa Solares, #176 of 1029 🔗

Greetings from Navia, Spain! I follow this page as there is almost nothing similar in Spain. In fact, the sheeple of my country are mostly applauding the harshest measures. In my region, with a population of roughly 1 million inhabitants, there are 8 active cases of which only 2 require hospital care. We have to muzzle up everywhere outdoors, with the exception of small villages and on the beach unless there’s too many people (which the police determine). I’m very sad and discouraged by the attitude of my fellow Spaniards, as well as many Brits who live here. It’s heartening to read the column and know I’m not alone.

57075 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 47, #177 of 1029 🔗

It’s abundantly clear to anybody with half a brain that the Muzzle Law is nothing more than a compliance test. The Government are watching with a beady eye how readily these draconian edicts are being swallowed by the British public, and this is why it’s so important to engage in acts of defiance.

Wearing a muzzle essentially validates the actions of the state and broadcasts the wearer’s submission to the totalitarian New Abnormal.

The terrifying consequence for sceptics like ourselves is this – once the Government are confident of the numbers, they will have the backing to press on with an even greater assault on our civil liberties. Mandatory Covid vaccines will surely be on the menu early next year.

Those who say otherwise are nothing more than frogs submerged in slowly boiling water.

57128 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Scotty87, 15, #178 of 1029 🔗

Vaccination is the end game. Evidence: the rush to develop the leading candidate(s) here, Boris and co’s adulation for Gates/Gavi, the fact that we are ready to go with kits available and pre-ordered vaccine to do the entirety of the UK population. It seems clear to me that the UK population constitutes the Phase 3 trial. Watch the ‘revolving door’ at the end of this year, and follow the money – how many of the protagonists have skin in the game?

57893 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Scotty87, #179 of 1029 🔗

Ribbit!

58091 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Scotty87, #180 of 1029 🔗

100% agree

57080 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 28, #181 of 1029 🔗

At £2.80 for 4, Asda’s Preema disposable face coverings will probably be the go-to purchase for an awful lot of muzzle zealots on Friday. It is on displays at Asda entrances. I do hope they read the blurb before they buy, however:

Not to be used as PPE or for medical purposes.
The product is disposable and not intended for re-use. Please replace the face covering when it is moist.
Used face coverings should be disposed of in the general waste.
Face coverings should be removed by pulling away from the face as the outside may be contaminated. ( but of course, you can still put them in the general waste!)
Wash your hands thoroughly after discarding.
If you have any medical, heart or respiratory conditions, consult your doctor before use. (that’s assuming you can even get an appointment!)

Oh and the final insult.
Country of origin-China!

You couldn’t make it up.

57084 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Margaret, 8, #182 of 1029 🔗

And to think that Asda are going to demand a doctor’s note if you’re going into their store unmuzzled.

The bloody cheek of them.

57087 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #183 of 1029 🔗

That will be a problem for ASDA as doctors are being told by the Department for Health and Social Care that they don’t need to supply exemption notes, so doctors are telling people not to ask for them.

Have just been on another site where they were talking about CEBM’s discovery that no one is allowed to recover from Covid. There’s a brilliant comment from “Pat” who asks if people realise that if Bojo got shot tomorrow, he would go down as a Covid death under PHE’s system, as of course would George Floyd.

57091 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Margaret, 8, #184 of 1029 🔗

And Asda will be in for a nasty surprise if a customer decides to take them to court for disability discrimination and breach of privacy laws and GDPR.

That’s a good point and shows how shambolic all of this has been. I’ve twigged from the beginning that the way the deaths being recorded are a sham.

57418 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Margaret, #185 of 1029 🔗

And as I have just posted Face Masks Mandated by UK Govt. Specifically Say They Don’t Protect Against COVID 19, info on packaging

57095 thedarkhorse, replying to thedarkhorse, 30, #186 of 1029 🔗

Yesterday I had the task of convincing my son that it was not wise to drive his car while wearing a mask. “Have you thought about the fact that you’re breathing in your own CO2, back into your body?” I said. Mmm. He thought about that then said yes it did seem a bit silly. Might get headaches. He’d already tried shopping wearing a mask and didnt find it at all comfortable. He’s a highly intelligent guy, but seems to be ultra-nervous about this virus. His mother (moi) has a microbiological background and still can’t lift the veil from his eyes.
People are deluded. Some here were talking about this further down. The blindness is massive.

57251 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to thedarkhorse, 5, #187 of 1029 🔗

That must be hard to take. Your son being scared of this virus and feeling he has to wear a mask.

57321 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to thedarkhorse, 3, #188 of 1029 🔗

Speak roughly to your little boy …

57377 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to thedarkhorse, 6, #189 of 1029 🔗

Cuddle him, tell him you love him, and tell him ‘Mother knows best !”.

If that doesn’t work, move on to a slap ! 🙂

57096 Ethelred the Unready, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 11, #190 of 1029 🔗

Sly News playing up the vaccine story hard this morning. Question, will it be ‘compulsory’? I have in mind that not to participate will render one an ‘Unperson’, unable to participate in society

57111 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 3, #191 of 1029 🔗

Accessing nhs health care without having had the vaccine may be quite awkward.

57245 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, 4, #192 of 1029 🔗

Accessing NHS healthcare is quite awkward for most people at the moment anyway.

57320 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Basics, 2, #193 of 1029 🔗

You make that sound like a bad thing.

57125 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 7, #194 of 1029 🔗

The BBC are also pushing the vaccine story according to mhcp’s comment below. No coincidence. The virus narrative is falling apart at the seams (test kits unreliable, death figures overstated), so attention needs to be switched. The vaccine will not be mandatory, but I am convinced that once enough have received it voluntarily (there will be millions queuing up), digital certification that you have taken the shot will be required to use public transport or enter any commercial premises. The only question is when does the vaccination programme commence?

57213 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to mjr, 6, #196 of 1029 🔗

*Shock*

One would think that with a remotely free press, the news of these past few days (dodgy figures, test kits not working, GDPR breaches) that it would be a field attacking the competence of the governments.

Instead we get one or two buried articles.

57099 mjr, 6, #197 of 1029 🔗

Notice on breakfast tv this morning that BBC are starting to soften us all up for Friday , A piece on how people in retail and service sectors have been subject to abuse and violence because of them trying to impose social distancing (and all the other rules). Clearly preparing for the abuse that they will get this friday when they try to impose the mask rules…. and how we must therefor be nice little sheeple and do as we are told

57105 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 31, #198 of 1029 🔗

Our local bakery, the one that is threatening to call the police if we go in to collect our bread order without wearing a mask, now has their staff decked out in full welder’s gear.

The thing is, wearing this precludes them from wearing the hats that are necessary to stop hair getting into the food they are preparing. So, it looks like their ‘safety’ trumps customer safety.

P.S. I am not the only lockdown sceptic in the People’s Republic of Royston Vasey. Someone has (yay) put up a ‘Keep Britain Free’ poster up on the quasi notice board.

57108 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to kh1485, 20, #199 of 1029 🔗

I’ve started decorating local lampposts with various stickers. It is important to see visible symbols that we are not alone.

57149 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #200 of 1029 🔗

Excellent Tom

57409 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #201 of 1029 🔗

Is there a good source for such stickers? I would like to put them up in my locality.

57413 ▶▶▶▶ John Mirra, replying to watashi, 4, #202 of 1029 🔗

I too would also like to know about stickers.

I feel isolated in my local area and seeing such things might spark some people to think a little.

57109 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, #203 of 1029 🔗

So, Mr. Modo lives in Royston Vasey *and* has his own notice board? Cool.

57430 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 6, #204 of 1029 🔗

I’m starting to find those wearing the stupid plastic visors are annoying me even more than those with face nappies.
The bakery’s attitude to you,a loyal customer,is abhorrent,I bet there isn’t an alternative you can use either.
On Friday I will be using a couple of businesses I have dealt with for many years where I know the staff quite well and it will be interesting to see what their response to my muzzle – less fizog will be.

57694 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 3, #205 of 1029 🔗

We’re going to check things out with the manager there, but I am pretty pissed off about it. Thankfully, we do have another bakery supplier (who delivers) so that’s an option.

On my way home I just walked past a hairdressers complete with chairs outside on the pavement for any disease-ridden customers to sit on and wait before they are graciously permitted access to the hallowed chambers of the salon. I saw an employee come out with full welder’s kit on, instructing two hapless customers to fill in various forms. God it’s so damned depressing. Meanwhile, we’ve had a stonking day, which sort of tells you something!

Good luck on Friday …

58093 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Paul, #206 of 1029 🔗

I saw a full-on lycra lout cyclist with a visor on the other day but he’d had to abandon his crash hat that might actually have done him some good.

57117 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 13, #207 of 1029 🔗

Not the newest idea, but you’d think it would convince the bedwetters. This is the government advice, with “face covering” replaced with something more factual:

Do not touch the front of the snot filled rag , or the part of the snot filled rag that has been in contact with your mouth and nose.
Once removed, store reusable snot filled rag s in a plastic bag until you have an opportunity to wash them. If the snot filled rag is single use, dispose of it in a residual waste bin. Do not put them in a recycling bin.
Make sure you clean any surfaces the snot filled rag has touched using normal household cleaning products. If eating in a restaurant, for example, it is important that you do not place the snot filled rag on the table.
Wash your snot filled rag regularly and follow the washing instructions for the fabric. You can use your normal detergent. You can wash and dry it with other laundry. You must throw away your snot filled rag if it is damaged.

Or maybe just don’t carry a snot filled rag around?

57151 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #208 of 1029 🔗

Working to the power of 3

If you…

Touch it
Bin it
Change it

Might stop people fiddling with the bloody things if they know it is to be treated as a sterile mask and has to be changed every time it is touched and contaminated or people might even think fuck it can’t be arsed to keep changing the bloody thing and not bother

57161 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to stefarm, 8, #209 of 1029 🔗

Yeah, that echoes “Catch it , Bin it, Kill it” for tissues, where you were told to throw the tissue away asap. Now you just keep it fixed to your face. Much easier!
Brought to you by the Ministry of Self-Contradictory Advice.

57198 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #210 of 1029 🔗

The irony is tissues are much more effective for the simple reason that we don’t go around wearing them and we bin then after one use.

How no-one has realised this is bizarre.

57200 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #211 of 1029 🔗

It’s all well and good having these rules like “don’t touch your face.” But they’re autonomous actions, you have an itch and you scratch it. It takes an enormous amount of will power to stop doing something that you aren’t even conscious of.

57209 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cicatriz, 4, #212 of 1029 🔗

That’s right. And with something strange and irritating on your face, there’s no way you will avoid it. But, we’re all going to die, so…

57120 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 27, #213 of 1029 🔗

Update

As you know this is day two of me venturing out. Went to the newsagents yesterday

Things appear to be getting better

Only 40 covid deaths in our block of flats overnight. This brings the total for our street to just shy of 1.7million

The Council are now asking us to sort our covid corpses before we put them out, and have provided us with coloured bins for that purpose

Green Over 65 years
Blue Under 65 years
Red No underlying health conditions
Yellow Not died of covid, but covid on death certificate

Get it wrong and the Council will issue a fixed penalty notice. If when the Council collect they discover a covid corpse is in the wrong bin they take it out and dump it in the middle of the road. This creates a terrible mess as they get run over by cars etc

Anyway, I’ve volunteered to take on the sorting task (little do they know that I’m selling their now redundant facemasks and Oyster cards on e bay…..keep that to yourself if you can)

Despite Council warnings some households are dumping their covid corpses next to the litter bin on the green. They do it at night. This is the same bin that the dog walkers drop their doggy poo bags in. Couple of hundred there this morning when I looked. I try not to get too close

Earlier, Brian (he lives at no 10) and I were cleaning up the mess when a strange thing happened. We were approached by a German bird. She said that she had heard I was a good man and could I help

She explained that a friend of hers named ‘kneel’ was in a spot of bother, and that ‘gangsters’ wanted to silence him. She explained ‘kneel ‘ had been hiding in lofts for the past few months but now needed to move on

I asked what he had done and she garbled something to the effect that he made models for a living, but his last model had upset some big cheese (I know the creative industries are cutthroat but I didn’t realise things had got that bad)

I said I would certainly like to help but we don’t have lofts in the flats. I told her our food stocks are running low, and depending on how big ‘kneel’ was he could hide in our chest freezer. She seemed pleased with this and left

I asked Brian what he made of all this, and he replied that she “had a cracking pair of tits’

I told him that was a completely unacceptable thing to say, and an outrage to all humankind

I told him if he ever said such a thing again we would up the service charges on his flat to pay for him to go on a course

‘kneel’ has not appeared yet.

I will check the canal in the morning

57196 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Cecil B, 1, #214 of 1029 🔗

Do they take the red bin off you if you don’t use it?

57214 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cicatriz, 1, #215 of 1029 🔗

They do, but trust me there ways round it

57241 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Cecil B, 3, #216 of 1029 🔗

Very worrying. Looking forward to updates concerning muzzles. Are you related to Kafka?

57276 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to TJN, 3, #217 of 1029 🔗

The answer to that is held in another department, and I’m not at liberty to tell you the location of that

57360 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Cecil B, 1, #218 of 1029 🔗

I reckon you have read him. More scary than Orwell I think.

57122 Peter Newton, #219 of 1029 🔗

My view is “Do what you like govenment” I will just remove myself and go on strike, I will not be visiting the high street, any shop, be ordering my food on line and then collecting outside, The good thing for me is the wife always likes to shop and wounder around buying this and that, plus eating out from time to time, for once in my life she is fully on my side and that has now ended, more countryside walks BBQ’s friends around and no compulsive buying, friends and family that use to eat out and shop and travel have stopped, stores that become the governments dictators and enforce masks etc will be banned from future visits and sales.

As an Ayn Rand fan, I, my family and friends are fully “Shuggered” ie On strike.:-)

57126 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #220 of 1029 🔗

BBC: Govmt. has bought 90 million doses of vaccine… That are still in development.
“A vaccine is widely seen as the best chance of getting our lives back to normal.”

57129 ▶▶ matt, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #221 of 1029 🔗

90 million? Why 90?

57130 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to matt, 1, #222 of 1029 🔗

65 for now and 30 for the ‘second wave’?

57131 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, #223 of 1029 🔗

25!

57133 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #224 of 1029 🔗

Are they just addicted to spending money?

57138 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to matt, 1, #225 of 1029 🔗

That’s usually it. I used to work for a council, they are mad at it, and you can just scale up for Big Gov.

57186 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to matt, 1, #226 of 1029 🔗

Failure is the reason, by 30 million doses from each company, as then they’re hoping at least 1 of the 3 is successful so they’ve 30mn for the country.

57199 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to matt, 1, #227 of 1029 🔗

Because what’s a few million extra pounds between friend? That’ll be the mates rates.

57490 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to matt, #228 of 1029 🔗

65 million for the known population, and 25 million for the illegal immigrants crossing the channel.
Or maybe the population is 90 million already – judging by the motorways on a friday i wouldn’t be surprised!

57881 ▶▶▶ PAUL TURNBULL, replying to matt, #229 of 1029 🔗

.

57156 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #230 of 1029 🔗

My husband has an autoimmune condition, and he gets the flu jab every year. He received a text from the doctor’s surgery about a month ago, reminding him that he will get his jab in October. Surprising, as he normally gets the text a week or so before appointments are available. This has been in the planning for some time, and it is almost certain that once you are in the doctor’s for your annual flu vaccine – or anything else for that matter – you will be ‘gently’ asked whether you would like the CV vaccine at the same time ‘to save you the trouble of having to come back’.

57163 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 10, #231 of 1029 🔗

I’m all for efficiency. So, in the same visit, you can gently ask them to shove it up their arse, “to save me the trouble of doing it for you”.

57167 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Sam Vimes, #232 of 1029 🔗

Quite.

57314 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #233 of 1029 🔗

The magic word ‘Pandemic’ triggers the confidential contract apparently.

57132 Emma, replying to Emma, 4, #234 of 1029 🔗

Kate Bingham, chair of the UK’s Vaccine Taskforce, on the Today programme at 8.10 suggesting we won’t get back to normal unless there is widespread uptake of the vaccine(s). It almost sounded like we might be asked to have more than one of the multitude that are under development. Justin Webb broached the topic of mandated vaccines but she wasn’t to be drawn on that. She is married to Jesse Norman, my MP, and the only one to ask if a cost/benefit analysis had been conducted on the lockdown strategy at that Sage meeting.

57142 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Emma, 15, #235 of 1029 🔗

I find it scary that this people want everyone to have their new potentially harmful vaccine for a virus that isn’t massively harmful to the majority of people.

57152 ▶▶▶ Emma, replying to ambwozere, 5, #236 of 1029 🔗

One also wonders why they need 90 million doses for a population of 65 million, if they are not intending for everyone to get at least one dose. Her girl’s school headteacher tone made it sound like we’d all been naughty and if we want our privileges back we better take our medicine.

57169 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Emma, 2, #237 of 1029 🔗

Daughter of the former Lord Bingham, and product of St Paul’s Girls School, what do you expect!

57179 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Emma, 1, #238 of 1029 🔗

I think they’ve brought 30 million from three pharma company, so as to hedge their bets because most will fail to make it to make it to manufacturing.

57331 ▶▶▶ Alec in France, replying to ambwozere, 5, #239 of 1029 🔗

I find it even scarier that such an apparently high proportion are willing – even eager – to take it.

57415 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to ambwozere, 3, #240 of 1029 🔗

none of this makes any sense.

57381 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Emma, 1, #241 of 1029 🔗

We need to have an investigation into what they are getting out it, ie connection to pharma, however far it stretches

57141 Humanity First, replying to Humanity First, 16, #242 of 1029 🔗

IMF Made Loans to Belarus Conditional on a Lockdown. Lukashenko Turned Them Down”We will not dance to anyone’s tune” was the precise response
https://www.anti-empire.com/imf-demanded-lockdown-as-a-condition-of-loan-to-belarus-lukashenko-turned-it-down/

57382 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Humanity First, 4, #243 of 1029 🔗

Explains why a lot of African countries (and others) introduced lockdowns despite very low number of infections. They were FORCED!

57909 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Humanity First, 1, #244 of 1029 🔗

You can add the World Bank to the list of international blackmailers. There are probably many more that we don’t yet know.

57144 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, #245 of 1029 🔗

Have a look at this, while repeating to yourself “Hospitality Industry”…
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1285110748730003457

57153 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #246 of 1029 🔗

“it” has to sit down. Do we now refer to disabled children as “it”?

57165 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cecil B, 5, #247 of 1029 🔗

It’s just quicker than “Annoying defective carbon based life form”. For your comfort and safety.

57172 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #248 of 1029 🔗

The manager refers to the child as ‘it’

57178 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cecil B, 2, #249 of 1029 🔗

And I used a joke to agree with you… also:

“He’s autistic”… “Doesn’t matter”

Pretty much sinks it!

57237 ▶▶ Andy C, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #250 of 1029 🔗

Watching that makes me feel sick as an autistic adult. I won’t be visiting any Greene King establishments any time soon as I’m clearly not welcome.

57392 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Andy C, 1, #251 of 1029 🔗

Didn’t they do that when they sent a bribe to BLM ?

57394 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, #252 of 1029 🔗

Sorry, was meant for Bart Simpson’ below.

57521 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, #253 of 1029 🔗

They did but this incident will accelerate their demise.

57252 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #254 of 1029 🔗

I think Greene King has just signed their own death warrant with that.

57255 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #255 of 1029 🔗

Yet another idiot enforcing these idiotic rules. Sod them, sod their pubs and restaurants. They were crap anyway.

57257 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #256 of 1029 🔗

That’s disgraceful attitude!

This is the best comment:

if She/It wants to live an extra 10 yrs? She should wear her mask at feeding times.

57262 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #257 of 1029 🔗

But we won’t see Greene King being ‘cancelled’ for this, will we? Disgusting attitude

57380 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #258 of 1029 🔗

Shocking! “Does not matter if your child is autistic, he must sit down”.

Greene King you better apologise quickly – not good business to discriminate against disabled especially if a child.

57155 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 35, #259 of 1029 🔗

Something the vast majority seem to overlook is that this is the baseline that has been set for Government control of our lives.

A virus with less than 1% IFR.

Which means just about anything else that comes along in future could mean Lockdowns, mandatory masks and possibly mandatory vaccines.

Basically the general public have said they are willing to accept any preventative measures even if it costs them their life for anything that exceeds this baseline.

As the Manic Street Preachers sang – If you tolerate this then your children will be next

57171 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Nobody2020, 12, #260 of 1029 🔗

Lok at the ‘Alert Levels’:

  • Level five (red) – a “material risk of healthcare services being overwhelmed” – extremely strict social distancing
  • Level four – a high or rising level of transmission – enforced social distancing
  • Level three – the virus is in general circulation – social distancing relaxed
  • Level two – the number of cases and transmission are low – minimal social distancing
  • Level one (green) – Covid-19 is no longer present in the UK – no social distancing

L1 can’t happen. L2 will be lied about. So, L3 is the status quo, so we are always one step from enforcement, which would take about, oh say six ‘cases’ being found. Bingo, lockdown.

57176 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #261 of 1029 🔗

The false positives alone of the seriously flawed PCR tests will ensure an always sufficient, bogus number of infected to stay in L3. Everywhere.

57246 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #262 of 1029 🔗

The reality is we are in Level 2 and will be forever. These levels are a not very thinly disguised herd immunity strategy.

If it was an eradication or containment strategy L2 would need severe intervention, not “minimal social distancing” and tracking and tracing that was actually competent.

I think they are trying to get out of this mess.

The vaccine will probably be ready soon, perhaps in a few months. They’re going ahead with challenge trials and it will be fine (at least in the trials, I hope also when it’s deployed more widely).

The reason vaccines usually take years is waiting for all these trials. They actually designed the vaccine very quickly as it’s similar to others they have done recently. If you accelerate the trials with volunteers who don’t mind being infected you can cut years off.

The vaccine will save a few hundred lives in the UK (depending how you count) over the next year or so. Johnson will claim half a million of course and this will be painful to watch. But it will save many thousands of lives around the world in places that are still behind the UK.

57253 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to guy153, 2, #263 of 1029 🔗

Guy, I know you are closer to this than many of us on here. A genuine question, which, if any of the vaccines currently in various stages of trials, would you feel most confident about giving to those of child-bearing age and younger?

57256 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #264 of 1029 🔗

Add, I mean boys and girls.

57313 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #265 of 1029 🔗

Why the hell would you give any sort of vaccine to children when they are barely affected by this disease?

57387 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Chicot, #266 of 1029 🔗

Quite. Because the vaccinators and the covid-fear-crowd have been differently brainwashed, is my guess.

57421 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #267 of 1029 🔗

don`t risk the toxic slurry. stay well away.

57315 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #268 of 1029 🔗

The people participating in the mRNA vaccine trials are advised against engaging in reproductive activities…

57603 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jay Berger, #269 of 1029 🔗

Was the reason for this ‘Evolution of the Species’ ?

57541 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #270 of 1029 🔗

ChAdOx1, which is the “Oxford” one, which will also probably be the first available. But it’s in a race with a couple of Chinese “inactivated whole virus vaccines”.

The big risk with all these vaccines is they make the disease worse (“enhancement”).

Vaccines of the Chinese design enhanced for RSV, SARS1, and MERS. They say the monkeys they tried it on were fine, but they had a Th2 dominated response (lots of antibodies but hardly any killer T) which is not an encouraging sign as this seems to fit the pattern of those other vaccines which enhanced.

ChAdOx1 works by actually infecting cells (but not replicating) and then getting the cells to make the antigens. This gives a much more balanced response with antibodies and killer T. Vaccines of that design seemed to be OK for RSV and MERS and I think both of those are in trials (certainly the MERS one is). So this seems like a bit of a breakthrough. BUT, this design still enhanced for SARS1, and SARS1 is the closest known relative of SARS2. Add to that nobody really understands fully how or why you get the enhancement which means we also don’t know how valid it is to extrapolate from monkeys or from the young, healthy volunteers they will use in the challenge trials.

RSV is a cautionary tale because that (inactivated whole virus) vaccine was actually deployed in the late 1960s and created a vastly increased number of hospitalizations and two dead children. RSV is a nasty virus for children (much worse than SARS2) and we’re still waiting for an approved vaccine.

Given that the risk of death from Covid-19 is very low (especially now that people have got much better at treating it) I would not recommend the vaccine to anyone outside a high-risk group. Better to wait a year and see what happens. But it’s a close call and people should make that choice for themselves. Although Covid-19 is very unlikely to kill someone young, and in most cases is just a cold if that, you might still get a pretty nasty viral pneumonia. So some people might want to risk the vaccine to avoid that. It’s a bit like the decision to get your eyes lasered– small risk of being blinded vs. inconvenience of having to wear glasses– except the “small risk” of death from enhanced Covid-19 is more unknown.

I believe the UK is close to herd immunity already, which means both that you don’t need the vaccine, and also that it is less likely to do you any harm (since the harm arises if you get infected). The real test of it will be in a place like Hong Kong. It’s going to be seriously tragically awful if it does enhance given that unenhanced Covid-19 is really not that bad.

57294 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to guy153, 9, #271 of 1029 🔗

There is no need for a vaccine if treatments like HCQ work for those who are at risk and if that was established correctly instead of manipulatively dismissed due to conflicts of interest (Oxford).
If the vaccines are similarly inefficient as those against the flu, they are just an expensive, additional annual health risk for most people.
mRNA/DNA vaccines are a complete unknown with regard to long term side effects/reverse transciptase, some professors (censored, of course Hockertz) even expect a short term death rate of 1% on top of that for them.
Standard vaccines are now planned in conjunction with an unproven, or when once used dangerous, adjuvant.
All those vaccines development is now rushed, often not even undergoing animal testing for safety.
They seem to be ridiculously expensive at the cported cost of £650 dose, and that likely p.a..
Shall we treat for Covid 20, 21, 22ff similarly?
If so, we’ll have to get vaccinated two or three times p.a. forever, at annual costs of about £200 billion (1.5x total current NHS budget) for the UK alone, before their respective lockdowns cost.
The ethical questions of making it mandatory or not, and whether we should use the elders as Guinea pigs for these rushed vaccines first, remain, even if debated and answered.

In short, I am no anti-vaxxer at all, just got one last year against FSME, but on Covid, this really smells, and it is made even worse by governments and the Media’s refusal to address all these valid and many other concerns, in place of openly calling for censoring them like in yesterday’s Graun.

57306 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Jay Berger, 6, #272 of 1029 🔗

If nothing else, the cost question makes me highly doubtful that the vaccine could possibly be mandatory for the entire population.

57316 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edna, replying to matt, 3, #273 of 1029 🔗

That’s a chink of sunlight in an otherwise dark and gloomy landscape – thank you !

57326 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alec in France, replying to matt, 1, #274 of 1029 🔗

Just give the magic money tree another shake – job done!

57351 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to matt, #275 of 1029 🔗

That would be great news!

57350 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #276 of 1029 🔗

Flu jabs are pretty useless for the over 65s, so that wouldn’t be valid proof.

Testing on a less vulnerable age group doesn’t give useful info for the vulnerable elderly group.

Conclusion, it’s all pointless.

57572 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #277 of 1029 🔗

Agree the treatments (including HCQ) are much better now, but they won’t cure everyone.

I think the problem with flu vaccines is the viruses mutating all the time. Coronaviruses mutate much less but there has never been a successful vaccine before because of enhancement (which nobody really understands). So I think it’s a different set of potential problems.

I don’t expect mRNA vaccines to do anything sinister like rewriting the host DNA like an endogenous retrovirus. But if you have any links explaining this post them here!

They have done animal tests (at least for ChAdOx1 and the leading Chinese candidates). But they were rushed and they all seemed in a bit of a hurry to kill the monkeys after only 7 days (sometimes the enhancement takes longer to appear).

The treatments also cost money mainly because of days in hospital. Vaccination (assuming it worked) would work out cheaper in a country that was far from herd immunity. But probably more expensive in one that wasn’t.

I am also no anti-vaxxer but I think you’re right to be wary of these Covid vaccines.

57911 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #278 of 1029 🔗

Looks like a vaccine won’t be necessary after all, although the Telegraph has buried the story agains the news of the Oxford trials. This newly discovered application of ‘Interferon Beta’ MS drug reduced chance of illness in 80% of Covid patients It looks far more promising than a vaccine that will probably have questionable protection. Interesting to read the comments below Celia Walden’s ‘anti-vaxxer’ tirade today were mostly from pro vaxxers questioning the safety of a vaccine that has taken just a few months to produce. They’re not wrong.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/20/coronavirus-treatment-synairgen-hailed-game-changer-trial-results/

57324 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alec in France, replying to guy153, 7, #279 of 1029 🔗

I very narrowly escaped death from Guillain–Barré syndrome following a routine vaccination in my teens. I will need an awful lot of persuading to take a rapidly rushed-out vaccine, even if “it will be fine”. Although I mostly recovered from the almost total paralysis, over half a century later I still have breathing difficulties – enough to make mask-wearing extremely unpleasant.

57384 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to guy153, 2, #280 of 1029 🔗

The vaccine will save a few hundred lives in the UK (depending how you count) over the next year or so.

Tish. That is a Ferguson/government/bbc/who level of statement, guy.

57573 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to JohnB, 1, #281 of 1029 🔗

Well except they would claim a few hundred thousand lives!

57607 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to guy153, #282 of 1029 🔗

🙂

57240 ▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #283 of 1029 🔗

We are so clearly at ‘2’, which should actually mean ‘no social distancing’ (or any other lifestyle changes). L1 is impossible.

It’s the same BS used with the terror alert system, which is almost always at amber I believe, so they’ve never removed the stupid restrictions on liquids on flights, or ability to detain people without reason etc. Same playbook, they’ve just gone much harder on it now.

57265 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #284 of 1029 🔗

Latest figure for England, Scotland Wales and N Ireland is a terrifying total of 726 NEW CASES.
That’s 0.00001084 of the UK population.

57327 ▶▶▶▶ Alec in France, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #285 of 1029 🔗

= positive tests? How many are false positives?

57477 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Alec in France, #286 of 1029 🔗

How many are asymptomatic??

57338 ▶▶ John Ballard, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #287 of 1029 🔗

Problem is the youngsters will be so brain washed they will expect lockdowns to be the normal. You see them in the supermarket already, all masked up but with more chance of death from tripping over a shoe lace, falling into the freezer and freezing to death.
When the students realise that a big chunk of jobs have been lost and their micky mouse degrees count for nothing without an economy, maybe they will appreciate what has been lost due to Government and MSM stupidity and can demonstrate about that instead.

58068 ▶▶ Kristian Short, replying to Nobody2020, #288 of 1029 🔗

I think they also sang ‘Another Invented Disease’!

57166 IanE, replying to IanE, 29, #289 of 1029 🔗

I see that the even a government report now admits 200,000 deaths likely due to lockdown (and the rest!). This appalling government’s desperately egregious behaviour just keeps my temper at incandescent levels and they aim to ‘calm’ the public by making us wear muzzles!

My latest MP email :-

“I am a constituent of yours (Name, address and post-code).

Another damning article about the government equivalent of corporate manslaughter has just come out – https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/19/lockdown-may-cost-200k-lives-government-report-shows/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

Your government, to its eternal shame, has now been shown guilty of the equivalent of corporate manslaughter on a massive scale – 35000 excess cancer deaths alone are now virtually inevitable because of lockdown. I have never felt more disgust at any British government during my lifetime (even that of Blair). It is now clearly time to reverse this insanity and fully open up society, rather than continuing in this reign of fear. It is time for decent MPs to stand up and tell the government the truth.”

57211 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to IanE, 7, #290 of 1029 🔗

It’s OK though, because if would have been half a million dead with no lockdown, they proved it with a model and everything.

57221 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to IanE, 10, #291 of 1029 🔗

It’s good to see that some recognition of the cost in human lives from the lockdown is starting to seep into press. It would be better if that article referred to the 500,000 as being the product of Neil Ferguson’s expensive random number generator than declaring it to be some kind of uncontestable declaration of reality from an omniscient entity.

57231 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to IanE, 4, #292 of 1029 🔗

Whilst I do expect some deaths (and a lot of depression & hardship) to come about as a consequence of lockdown and the painfully slow ‘easing’ of it, we should treat predicted excess deaths due to it with almost as much scepticism and scrutiny as the predicted Covid deaths. All are a calculation from computer modelling, the difference in this case, at least, is that there is historical data upon which to base those models, but that’s doesn’t mean we should take them as gospel, just because they validate our anti lockdown stance.

57260 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Mark II, 4, #293 of 1029 🔗

It’s an easier calculation. Look at past recessions, estimates based upon deaths for certain conditions (e.g. cancer). Ferguson’s model is a lot more speculative as it attempts to determine the vector of the virus and it did so with substantially incomplete data on the virus’ behaviour, and it’s a buggy mess of a model.

Besides, the key thing is that the lockdown will, and has, cost lots of lives. This is something that is largely being ignored. The policy at its heart is the ethical dilema of allowing some people to live at the cost of others. This is always dangerous territory and not somewhere I’d want to go without absolute certainty of the outcome of either path.

57416 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Mark II, 3, #294 of 1029 🔗

No – excess cancer deaths, for example, can easily be accurately predicted from previous history; ditto for heart attacks, strokes and many missed diagnostic tests and delayed operations.

57594 ▶▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to IanE, #295 of 1029 🔗

Not sure what you mean by ‘No’ … I already said the data will be better, as you have then said, I’m simply saying a ‘prediction’ is just that, a prediction, and so it’s important to not treat one prediction as guaranteed (even if it has historical evidence to give it far higher chances of being accurate) whilst totally dismissing others, it is inconsistent to do so.

57175 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #296 of 1029 🔗

For any spotters of stupidity. Variety: mask nonsense.

Gavin Williamson. Skynews burley. He produces his mask from his jacket pocket waves it to burley in a moment of you do/don’t need to wear in sandwich shops and then puts back in pocket. He smirked obviously from the moment burley produced a white snood, a prop to bring up the subject of mask wearing.

A smirking education sec (is he?) isn’t going to sell me any health message, sorry.

57193 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Basics, 3, #297 of 1029 🔗

Why did he wave a virus soaked mask? Perhaps he knows it’s all a con job

57203 ▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to Cecil B, 14, #298 of 1029 🔗

They *all* know it’s a farce, they’re all being carried along by media hysteria.

I change my mind regularly on weather gov is leading or media is leading as it’s hard to tell who is more dangerous and more culpable. I think i’ve settled on my conclusion though

Covid is real, just not very dangerous. Media blew it out of all proportion
Gov got carried along and caught off guard by how much panic media caused
Gov then caused more panic
Gov saw opportunity for greater surveillance and control, takes it
Media continues panic
Gov sees economy crashing, tries to reverse a bit
Panic has taken uncontrollable hold on population, media loves it (highly suspect they’ve never had such high reader/viewer engagement), continues it
Gov now just along for the ride, terrified of public/media backlash for any straying off course, and given up trying to be adults.

57228 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark II, 6, #299 of 1029 🔗

You are very kind, Mark. What about gov/media working to the same set of orders ?

57238 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to JohnB, 2, #300 of 1029 🔗

Of course it’s a possibility, and I’ve considered it, but I am discounting it as the media are taking any and every opportunity to stick it to the government (except on dodgy death counts as that suits their agenda too) whichever action they take. I don’t doubt for one second, we now have a state sponsored propaganda arm in BBC as well as some friendly journo’s at numerous publications. However I think by and large our media outlets are nasty and calculated of their own free will, driven only by clicks & revenue – and what sells for them?

57270 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark II, 4, #301 of 1029 🔗

The Govt bought the press at the outset with vast amounts of social distancing/save the NHS advertising. I last bought a paper 3 months ago and don’t watch telly, are they still doing it ?

57424 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 2, #302 of 1029 🔗

Oh yes.

57218 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basics, 2, #303 of 1029 🔗

Of course, anyone who’s been around a while would automatically question anything recommended by Williamson who has long been nothing but a joke figure.

57463 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #304 of 1029 🔗

Update. UK Column cover this very burley williamson moment. They put forward the vagueness is an attack on the public mind. UK Column then cover mask dangers excellently.

ASTHMA UK have a printable form on their website. Coverage also includes letter written to MP.

Ukcolumn.org
Live now on youtube the programme in full on youtube in a few hours.

57466 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, #305 of 1029 🔗

Article 6 Universal declaration of human rights. – ukcolumn suggests that as a way to avoid mask wearing. Sorry live now so missed the wording.

57483 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #306 of 1029 🔗

http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=31058&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

Article 6 – Consent

1. Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice.

2. Scientific research should only be carried out with the prior, free, express and informed consent of the person concerned. The information should be adequate, provided in a comprehensible form and should include modalities for withdrawal of consent. Consent may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without any disadvantage or prejudice. Exceptions to this principle should be made only in accordance with ethical and legal standards adopted by States, consistent with the principles and provisions set out in this Declaration, in particular in Article 27, and international human rights law.

3. In appropriate cases of research carried out on a group of persons or a community, additional agreement of the legal representatives of the group or community concerned may be sought. In no case should a collective community agreement or the consent of a community leader or other authority substitute for an individual’s informed consent.

57180 Ed Phillips, replying to Ed Phillips, 11, #307 of 1029 🔗

Last week I wrote the following email to my local Conservative Association. Under that is their response. Weak doesn’t really cover it does it?

My initial email :
I am writing to ask that you inform the national Conservative Party of the deep disquiet many people are feeling at this time with regard to the actions of the government.
Over the past three months we have seen the erosion of our rights and the destruction of the economy far beyond what we would have seen under a Jeremy Corbyn administration. And now we find out that the government is mandating what we must wear. All this when the impact of the coronavirus has faded to almost nothing. The government’s actions have caused unemployment, added billions to the national debt and added to severe health impacts thanks to the cancelling of operations and other medical interventions.
I am a natural Conservative voter but I will never vote Conservative again in my lifetime as the party has made it clear that it has no desire to conserve anything about our great nation.

The response :
Thanks for getting in touch. and I will of course pass on your concerns. The pandemic has been an unprecedent challenge, with lots of developing scientific and wider advice leading to some very difficult choices, which I know many people have questions about.

The key now is avoiding a second wave so we can get back to implementing the Govt’s programme.

57185 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Ed Phillips, 4, #308 of 1029 🔗

That’s just boilerplate crap. And probably automated.

57190 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #309 of 1029 🔗

Yep.

57216 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Ed Phillips, 5, #310 of 1029 🔗

Try a simpler question next time, like:
“Which part of Elected Repesentative are you struggling with?”

57223 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ed Phillips, 3, #311 of 1029 🔗

Obviously lifted from a template and didn’t bother to address any of what you’ve written and you’re concerns. What a disappointment.

57182 Humanity First, replying to Humanity First, 10, #312 of 1029 🔗

President of Burundi said Coronavirus was “nonsense” and kicked out the WHO team from his country…a few weeks later he died of “sudden heart attack”…new President of Burundi said Covid was “No 1 enemy” of his country (a total of 1 person has died from Covid in Burundi) . Hope the President of Belarus has better ‘luck’ than the former President of Burundi!

https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/14/coronavirus-and-regime-change-burundis-covid-coup/

57204 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Humanity First, 3, #313 of 1029 🔗

Does the WHO have a covert ops hit team? Just asking.

57428 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, 1, #314 of 1029 🔗

Not sure, possibly.

Big pharma almost certainly does though. Look up alternative medical professional deaths in the USA lately. Might well be sub-contracted out, of course.

57383 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Humanity First, 3, #315 of 1029 🔗

Did they give Boris the ‘warning’

57458 ▶▶▶ Humanity First, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #316 of 1029 🔗

based on his sudden u turn from the herd immunity strategy I think it is a reasonable assumption that some kind of pressure was applied

57194 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 6, #317 of 1029 🔗

Office of national statistics, deaths in June. Apart from Covid all major causes of death DOWN on the 5 year average in June. If that isn’t obvious proof of the NHS/Government making up the numbers for their own reasons I don’t know what is.
But…..get your mask out for Friday, stay alert to Government lies, don’t share misinformation and feed the beast, ping ! Be a sheep……baaaaaa…….and stay under your bed where its nice and safe !!! Have a good day sceptics….
Come the next election we can all get our own back on the halfwits.

http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/cause_of_death_20jul.html

57205 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to John Ballard, 8, #318 of 1029 🔗

I had some chancer charity guy come to my door last year telling me they’d found a cure for cancer. I didn’t realise he was talking about COVID-19.

57897 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to John Ballard, #319 of 1029 🔗

The others are below average because they are being classified as COVID deaths instead to keep those numbers up.

57195 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 6, #320 of 1029 🔗

I am now the owner of a “Covid 1984-Not Brainwashed” badge. Many thanks to Two-six@twang.co.uk – I shall wear it with pride.

57304 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Margaret, 1, #321 of 1029 🔗

Mine are in the post!

57322 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Margaret, 1, #322 of 1029 🔗

YAY! only two left but another 100 on order!

57856 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Two-Six, 1, #323 of 1029 🔗

Mine working great, will see how it goes over the next 2 days in Norwich when trying and in meetings.

Hopefully the hotel isn’t too miserable.

57219 Mark II, replying to Mark II, 16, #324 of 1029 🔗

In keeping with some others on here, a little real life update to soothe some minds/annoy:

Visited national park with several family members this weekend (all just going along with msm narrative, but not passionately, but they dont like my vocal scepticism)

  • Delighted to say no walkers in masks across 2 days, including visit to an National Trust park which had full car parks (several hundred people)
  • Stupid queues at NT toilets, people observed, but no masks
  • No masks to get inside to get ice cream, but queue causing issues. Though that is always the case in summer at NT cafes anyway to be fair, it’s not just longer in length, not longer in time.
  • The apartment we rented had no extra stupid precautions taken, so was a totally normal stay

Had a very sad conversation with my 6yr old niece who said she wasnt able to have a birthday party in 2 weeks ‘because of the virus’, I told her not to worry and there was no virus, it was gone. She told me I was wrong (her mum/my sis has obviously unintentionally scared her into thinking there’s some great threat out there) but when I said that meant she could have friends over she was buzzing… sister not impressed with me – also seems I may have been wrong, as although you _can_ have 30 people over, it appears to be limited to 2 households by law (is this correct?? Sorry to my sis if so!).

Overall though, an almost normal weekend, except for conversations coming up about impending masks mandate, which just seems more and more stupid with every passing day of reduced prevalence and people trying to, and being happy to, get back to normal life. It’s really nice to avoid the news for a few days, it’s a shame avoiding news doesn’t mean the stupidity actually goes away, you’re just unaware of it as much, I’m not sure if it’s better to be unaware and happy (ignorance is bliss) or aware and depressed and angry.

57233 ▶▶ Suitejb, replying to Mark II, 12, #325 of 1029 🔗

Visited Richmond on Saturday. Lovely town, warm day, busy market place. Few masks but everyone was polite, considerate, stepping aside, allowing one another space going in and out of shops. Smiling! It was a pleasure to be there.
Masks aren’t needed by most, just common courtesy.

57536 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Mark II, 1, #326 of 1029 🔗

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (No. 2) (England) Regulations 2020 Restrictions on gatherings

5. —(1) During the emergency period, unless paragraph (3) applies, no person may participate in a gathering which—

(a) consists of more than thirty persons, and
(b) takes place—
(i) in a private dwelling

This was the new law from 4 July.

I can’t see a restriction in the Act to ‘two households only’. I think the two households restriction is government guidance, not the law.
I’d like to get some certainty on this, though. Is there a lawyer in the house?

57608 ▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to BTLnewbie, #327 of 1029 🔗

Appreciate the effort, I’ve also found it hard to find the _law_ set out clearly (what a surprise) vs the guidance. Fullfact.org have made a complete mash of it too, and that’s supposed to be something priding itself on providing clarity.

58017 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Mark II, #328 of 1029 🔗

I usually take alternate days, one with news then one without.

57232 davews, 7, #329 of 1029 🔗

Just back from our Tesco, just a little shop today. They have taken away all the barriers and all other signs of queuing outside, straight in. Still distancing lines at the tills but that is all. But troubling increase in number of masks. The woman on the till had recently returned after having the lurgy and was having a long chat with the lady in front of me. She looked pretty well if she had really had it – the rest of her family had been tested and all negative. I didn’t hear all the details and didn’t really want to ask but it does seem there have been cases among the supermarket staff.

57243 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #330 of 1029 🔗

This line on page 14 of this report
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1n_EuIhfsKYPdPgJ60gqt1tz9jV48a-aI/view :

“Recommendation 1: World leaders must commit to system change” is a bit scary.

The whole report reads to me like a set of orders to the world’s governments.

It’s from these people:

https://catalyst2030.net/catalysing-change/

57271 ▶▶ Humanity First, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #331 of 1029 🔗

Yes it is scary…also saw this:

“…world leaders must make an unequivocal commitment to use their responses to this crisis to change our systems for the better”

  • who has the authority to give orders to all world leaders?
  • who is speaking for “our”?
  • what are “our systems”?
  • who decides what is “better”? “better” for whom?
57302 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Humanity First, #332 of 1029 🔗
57300 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, #333 of 1029 🔗

Here’s a list of their 17 “sustainable development goals”

https://www.un.org/development/desa/disabilities/envision2030.html

57854 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, #334 of 1029 🔗

And the original ;link I followed is at the bottom of this page:

https://www.weforum.org/covid-action-platform

World Economic Forum

57249 matt, replying to matt, 31, #335 of 1029 🔗

I have been thinking about the wearing of masks. I think the conclusion I’ve come to is this. Either:

1) we are in the middle of a totalitarian takeover (which I don’t believe), in which case I have a moral duty to resist it
Or
2) the government is either criminally deceitful or monumentally stupid, in which case I have no moral obligation to follow their arbitrary laws or pretend to swallow their mendacious propaganda.

So – no mask it is, then.

57266 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to matt, 7, #336 of 1029 🔗

Yep, that works for me.

Be interesting to compare notes after Friday!

57267 ▶▶ James007, replying to matt, 9, #337 of 1029 🔗

Agreed. I think the second is far more likely. The boldest of us ought to resist, the rest of us ought to claim exemption. We also ought to be willing to provide a reasoned argument when asked why we have the views that we have.

When discussing masks and all things lockdown related, a lot of people raise the argument that lots of governments have taken similar courses of action around the world, so therefore the governments and assemblies of the UK are not likely to be wrong on this issue (implicitly suggesting that other views ought to shut up and get on it with it!)

I think this is a logical fallacy – assuming that trusting in a group of things (governments) is always safer than a trusting a single (government) because the members of the group are independent and de-correlated. There is good reason to think that there is a trend towards governments thinking the same things, and making similar mistakes, due to the influence of pan global organizations. It’s not a conspiracy theory at all – it’s just saying that supranational organizations (like the WHO), can make mistakes occasionally, and because of their influence – governments can make the same mistakes.

It reminds me of the pre-2008 argument for why securitized debt was such a magical low risk thing. If you sell debt, that that has actually been lent out to many people it is low risk, because lots of people can’t all default. Lots of people can default, and lots of governments can get things wrong.

Sorry for going off on the “all governments can’t be wrong [about masks]” line, it’s just I’ve heard it so many times now, and I don’t find it very persuasive.

57273 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to James007, 2, #338 of 1029 🔗

Spot on.
As the FC, Subprime ( Paulson, Dr. BURRY…), GREENSPAN (no bubble because that would require thinking that the judgment of all others was wrong….) and let alone fascism show, the opposite is usually true in such cases.
If everyone us thinking alike, not much thinking is going on.
Reason has only ever been with a few.

57287 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to James007, 11, #339 of 1029 🔗

Well, two things (I really need to think of a third to exploit the power of 3).

Firstly, as I said in the thread about Rod Liddle’s article yesterday, the argument that the government can’t be wrong because lots of other governments did the same thing is easily refuted with the old parenting line “if Johnny jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?”

Secondly, it is exactly the kind of thinking that caused the problem in the first place. The public and the press were positively clamoring for lockdown precisely because other countries had done it (a real domino effect) and the fact that government was prepared to do it at all, in itself amplified the fear effect. If the government is prepared to take such drastic steps, then it _must_ be bad. It’s wrong-headed, but it turns out that most people are wrong-headed.

57344 ▶▶▶▶ James007, replying to matt, 9, #340 of 1029 🔗

Rod Liddle like many assumes that is right because other countries have independently evaluated the evidence and come to a similar conclusion, but it is not so.
It’s true about the clamoring for more lockdown being about hysteria. It was a positive feedback loop, more fear, more action, more fear.

How brave Johnson and his government would have been to stand up to it. Could have been a genuine “Churchill” moment. If at the time when the fear was spreading, he had given a big speech about liberty and inalienable rights. Well organized interventions around hygenine and health, with protection for the vulnerable. He massively panicked, like other governments did.

57457 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to James007, 2, #341 of 1029 🔗

Bloris is a coward and incapable of giving a big speech.
Bluster, bluster, bluster wouldn’t quite cut it!

57581 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ James007, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #342 of 1029 🔗

True. He is evidently and empty vessel and always has been.

57258 smileymiley, 2, #343 of 1029 🔗
57272 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 14, #344 of 1029 🔗

From the Grad:

The Daily Mail splashes this morning on the bureaucratic backlogs built up while millions have been out of work during coronavirus restrictions , citing campaigners who have said they are “paralysing the country”.

According to the paper:

  • Thousands of elderly motorists are housebound and isolated because of chaos at the DVLA
  • Travellers are waiting more than four months for passports to be processed, causing families to cancel holidays
  • Grieving relatives are suffering the extra heartache of long delays in obtaining probate to administer estates
  • Backlogs are placing huge pressure on the NHS, with nearly 200,000 suspected cancer cases waiting for key tests – a rise of 44%.

The Daily Mail quotes Sir Iain Duncan Smith, the former Conservative leader, as saying:

“The side-effects of the lockdown are astonishing and dangerous. Lockdown for the economy and public services has been a total unmitigated disaster.
We’re now in a race to get everything up and running before everything crashes completely and unemployment soars. We have got to persuade the public that we have to get back to work, that if they take reasonable precautions the vast majority should be OK.”

Well said IDS – apart from the “reasonable precautions” rider.
However, it would be best if the government dared to to set an example. House of Commons with all MPs mandated to attend with no distancing – and forget about the summer recess!
All public servants ordered back to work pronto.

Unfortunately, they’ve made the virus into such a bogeyman that a stalemate would be inevitable. Sigh.

57285 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #345 of 1029 🔗

Unfortunately, if he didn’t say mention anything about precautions, the headline would be something like “The Quiet Killer of Politics.”

57305 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #346 of 1029 🔗

I’ve lost count of how many times MPs have ducked off work over the last couple of years, they always seem to be just a couple of weeks away from yet another recess.

57311 ▶▶▶ Alec in France, replying to Mark II, 3, #347 of 1029 🔗

Probably because they are not much more than cosmetic now. Nothing to do!

57334 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Alec in France, 1, #348 of 1029 🔗

Well they’re paid an obscene amount of public money to do nthing – including a recent bung.

57336 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alec in France, replying to Cheezilla, #349 of 1029 🔗

Too true!

57373 ▶▶▶▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to Cheezilla, -2, #350 of 1029 🔗

Not true. The £10,000 “bung” announced in the early days of the pan***ic was for their STAFF to purchase equipment to enable them to work at home if they did not already have it. Every penny was accounted for and not a penny went into an MP’s pocket.

57453 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, #351 of 1029 🔗

The £10,000 was four months ago. They’ve been handsomely paid to stay out of the way since then.

June 26 All spelled out here:
https://order-order.com/2020/06/26/ipsa-gives-another-taxpayer-boost-to-mps-budgets/

57479 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alec in France, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, #352 of 1029 🔗

Hey, I’ve got a bridge I can sell you…

57475 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #353 of 1029 🔗

Talking to a lad yesterday who works in a supermarket distribution centre, he really needs his moped licence to cut down his journey to work time on buses.
He passed his theory test a while back and was due to take his road test when lockdown struck.
He now has to join the back of the queue for a road test by which time his theory test will be time expired.
The DVLC apparently will not extend this despite it being them that have cancelled road tests for 4 months.
All he wants to do is get to bloody work.

57571 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #354 of 1029 🔗

I don’t have a problem with reasonable precautions, just unreasonable ones like making everyone cover their faces in public forever more just in case one person might have a virus with no symptoms.

57275 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 14, #355 of 1029 🔗

Looking at the projections for deaths from cancer due to the effects of lockdown, as well as other diseases, this is becoming more and more like figures for Collateral Damage.

I appreciate that these are estimates, but they are also a bit more grounded seeing as we have reams of historic data. A close aquaintance of mine who works with bowel cancer was saying that departments are now seeing much more advanced cancers than before. And these are cancers that could have been removed through endoscopy a few months ago. Incidently for bowel cancer screening there is a whole procedure from recognising cancer (from the fecal test) to getting treatment. It’s supposed to take something like 3 weeks.

So when you see the 200,000 deaths figure, I’m not actually sure now. I think it will be worse.

Often there is debate on Collateral Damage, because it depends on the person or group producing it. One group’s damage is another’s massacre.

But it is not a nice subject to talk about in general and I think this is the term to be used, especially if Boris is using “nuclear deterent” and often we hear about the “fight” or “war” against the virus.

57282 ▶▶ MDH, replying to mhcp, 16, #356 of 1029 🔗

I had bowel cancer screening at the start of this year, thank god. The experience (at King’s College Hospital) was a credit to the NHS – friendly and efficient. The test was being offered to all over-55s. No doubt this excellent programme will have saved many lives and the NHS lots of money.

No doubt the backlog is now huge. Repeat that with every other preventative programme that’s been held up for four months of play-acting at pandemic, and the NHS won’t be fit for purpose for years. If ever. No matter how much money is thrown at it.

57308 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to MDH, 10, #357 of 1029 🔗

Yes, the breast cancer screening programme has been halted too, I think. The other illness that presents very late, is ovarian cancer, and I worry about young men who do not seek a consultation on testicular cancer. Most of these cases are treatable if caught early, and if even a little later than ideal, younger people can tolerate the chemo better than older people.

Sorry, but Boris, Cummings, SAGE members are all fully aware of this. Continued lockdown and denial of medical treatment is deliberate. They need to be at The Hague for mass murder, in my view. It is no different to the 600k lost lives – collateral damage – in the illegal war in Iraq.

57310 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mhcp, 2, #358 of 1029 🔗

My routine post-operative screening check has been delayed for three months. I am not particularly over-concerned given my individual circumstances – I’ve been playing the probabilities game (bullet-dodging) for quite a while (the up-side is that it gives me a good insight into the statistics of risk of this disappearing virus) . But there are thousands for whom such a delay may be crucial

… And this is but one area of collateral damage – the justification for which is a usually mild virus, the rate of incidence of which is unknown, and is clearly conflated with a multitude of other diseases.

57323 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to RickH, 2, #359 of 1029 🔗

I imagine this is the same with Prostate cancer. When I was diagnosed five years ago it was just three weeks from referral to diagnosis. I had my annual PSA blood test in April, can only assume it was OK but no chance to discuss with GP. This is another cancer where early diagnosis is critical.

57277 Julian, replying to Julian, 14, #360 of 1029 🔗

Not sure where she saw this but my Mrs was saying there was an opinion poll showing 71% support for masks, presumably in relation to making it mandatory in shops

Last time she went to the supermarket there was more like 1% wearing one

So either that 70% are lying hypocrite or the polls are nonsense

That got me thinking about how much it would cost commission a poll on behalf of sceptics- something with well designed questions and controls for sampling bias

It might be helpful

I wonder if Mr Young and/or Simon Dolan have some contacts. It could be crowdfunded

What do people think?

57280 ▶▶ matt, replying to Julian, 5, #361 of 1029 🔗

Yes, I think this is the danger of relying on polls and focus groups to guide decision making. When pressed and especially when in a social situation (a focus group) most people will say what they think they are supposed to think, rather than what they actually think.

57291 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to matt, 7, #362 of 1029 🔗

It depends mostly on how the questions are phrased.

57303 ▶▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #363 of 1029 🔗

Also the order in which questions are asked! They can easily funnel people into certain answers with careful ordering.

57568 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mark II, #364 of 1029 🔗

And who they ask. If they only ask people wearing masks, then presumably 100% will be in favour.

57307 ▶▶▶▶ Alec in France, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #365 of 1029 🔗

E.g. the Daily Wail’s vaccination poll: “…if a high-quality vaccine were available” (my bold).
How would results compare “…if you were forced to take a rushed, not properly tested vaccine” I wonder.

58012 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #366 of 1029 🔗

Would you rather
(a) wear a mask, or
(b) kill your granny

57292 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to matt, 3, #367 of 1029 🔗

That’s true I think. I don’t understand why polling is given the prominence that it is. It relies only on off-the-cuff responses, yes/no, agree/disagree type answers. Most people don’t think like that. I think people sympathetic to the skeptical point of view are shy about it when asked.

57296 ▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to James007, 3, #368 of 1029 🔗

And often replying with the ‘acceptable’ answer. 1992 election, EU referendum, Trump etc. The more demonised a position is, the less likely people are to voice it.

57359 ▶▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to matt, 1, #369 of 1029 🔗

Maybe that was so in the old times when a focus group meant a bunch of people physically meeting in a room. But not when a “focus group” means sitting at home filling in a questionnaire on a screen.

57281 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 1, #370 of 1029 🔗

Just sign the petition.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331174
Pass it on.

57286 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Julian, 1, #371 of 1029 🔗

The polls are nonsense, Who knew?

57293 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, 1, #372 of 1029 🔗

A lot of these polls are rigged and possibly fake. Trouble is when TPTB believe them and use them to frame their decision making process.

57317 ▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Julian, 12, #373 of 1029 🔗

Polls are rigged. I saw one the other day which said: Face coverings are compulsory in shops from Friday. Will you feel safe to shop or will you feel unsafe?
Well, no option for “I feel perfectly safe without a face covering!”
Select “safe” and you’ll be put down as agreeing with muzzles. Select “unsafe” and you give them more ammunition for even more draconian measures!

57391 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to CarrieAH, 1, #374 of 1029 🔗

Polls *can* be rigged – and the framing of questions is crucial.

But I can’t help feeling that the c. 70% support for mask-wearing is about accurate.

The UK has always basked in myths about democracy and liberty – ‘First of the Few’/ White Cliffs of Dover/ Magna Carta/ Mother of Parliaments etc. etc.

Meanwhile – citizens are actually termed ‘subjects’ of a ramshackle flummery that, far from being a distinctive national ‘long tradition’ is a modern, inheritance of a fairly recent interest group of Germanic origins.

The reality has always been different. There is no all-embracing essential freedom-based instinct – let alone institutions to reflect such ideals embedded in these Isles – as we now see.

Liberty is always hard won and has to be actively maintained. A large proportion of the electorate of the UK often simply confuses whining victimhood with the preservation of freedom of speech, and servile media-driven group-think with democratic wisdom.

My reason for not wearing a mask might be ‘terminal jaundice’ 🙂

57399 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Julian, 1, #375 of 1029 🔗

all you need to know about polls (courtesy of Sir Humphrey)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA

57448 ▶▶ annie, replying to Julian, 2, #376 of 1029 🔗

I think most people just want to go back to the real normal, and would instantly, if the Fascist oppressors would ket them.

57459 ▶▶ davews, replying to Julian, #377 of 1029 🔗

The Telegraph poll is currently showing 70% against mandatory in shops. See https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/20/saying-never-wear-mask-has-put-pickle/ (probably paywalled). Right under the poll in that article it says ‘Polls show overwhelming support for masks and making them compulsory’!!

57297 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 14, #378 of 1029 🔗

Probably a silly question, what is going to happen during summer recess. No MSM coverage of our inept leaders, no soundbites, no scaremongering. Are we being left alone to fend for ourselves so the masses can slowly work out there is no real danger and back to normal???

57364 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to stefarm, 2, #379 of 1029 🔗

I’ll have a go at making a prediction. Ramping up of the coverage of the situation in the US, all the way up to the elections there. Boris ( deliberately? ) said in Parliament the other day, that the earliest we’ll see anything like normal, would be November.

57434 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to stefarm, 5, #380 of 1029 🔗

If the MPs are having their usual break then that proves further – not that we needed it – this is the most made-up national emergency, ever

57452 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #381 of 1029 🔗

Said it before, how do you end lockdown this Wednesday? Furlough MPs tomorrow.

57565 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to stefarm, -1, #382 of 1029 🔗

The media will keep it going in their absence.

57301 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #383 of 1029 🔗

As each new imposition is imposed on us I intend to refuse to comply with it, but also refuse to comply with one previous edict

When face nappies is imposed, I intend to stop washing my hands

Below is the list I intend to impose on the Dictator on a one for one basis

I will:

1 Stop shaving
2 Stop washing
3 Stop changing my pants
4 Stop shaving (pubic)
5 Stop wiping my bum
6 Stop changing my clothes
7 Stop brushing my teeth
8 Stop using the wc and start pooing my pants

After two or three weeks ‘on the blanket’, I intend to visit and get thrown out of every supermarket in the UK

It will be a smelly version of the Jarrow March

57309 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, 3, #384 of 1029 🔗

Social distancing no problem!

57379 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Cecil B, #385 of 1029 🔗

i think 2 or 3 days should be sufficient to make you ripe enough to be noticed

57312 PaulK, replying to PaulK, #386 of 1029 🔗

Has the forum been removed?

57329 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PaulK, 1, #387 of 1029 🔗
57333 ▶▶▶ PaulK, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #388 of 1029 🔗

Thank you Cheezilla 🙂

57325 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #389 of 1029 🔗

Police waited until next day to break up party after being alerted to a gathering on a disused airfield.

Ch Supt Ian Wylie said the force had managed to stop a rave, possibly planned by the same organisers, earlier on Saturday in Frome, south of Bath. It is believed the organisers had a number of sites for the rave that allowed them to keep a step ahead of the police.
Wylie said it had not been possible to break up the rave immediately, partly because it was pitch dark and raining.
…. Wylie said that the impact of the rave was felt by other emergency services, with about eight 999 calls to the ambulance service linked to the event.

8 calls for 3,000 people. How terrible!

This is simply a pressure-cooker reaction. There is so much pent-up energy. If they stopped the stupid lockdown stuff, these rebellions would not take place.

57372 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #390 of 1029 🔗

They should have called in Insp. Det.Serg’ Constable Peter Piss Pott of Twat Valley Police!

57402 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to kh1485, 5, #391 of 1029 🔗

I understand that they did, but he was too busy taking the knee and applying body make-up.

57442 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, 2, #392 of 1029 🔗

Somerset Constabulary should be crowdfunding some nice torches, yes ? Ooh, they could even ask for help with hats and waterproof jackets at the same time. 🙂

57582 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JohnB, 1, #393 of 1029 🔗

Let’s start one up! Poor lambs!

Get DCI Gene Hunt in there, he’d have sorted it out!

57332 kbeanie, replying to kbeanie, 10, #394 of 1029 🔗

Just thought of something: if your issue with masks isn’t so much the wearing of it yourself, but that seeing so many people wearing them will leave you feeling distressed/panicky/unnerved/freaked out, what’s the guidance for that? Or is it just a case of fuck you, you’re on your own?

57339 ▶▶ PaulK, replying to kbeanie, 7, #395 of 1029 🔗

My understanding, based on the details on gov.uk, is severe distress covers everything and you are not legally obliged to say anymore than that.

57361 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to kbeanie, 5, #396 of 1029 🔗

Just say you are medically exempt, if pressed tell them it causes you distress and anxiety and then walk in the shop. They cannot question you, it is not their job to diagnose you.

57401 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to stefarm, 2, #397 of 1029 🔗

Yes – but they can (legally) refuse to let you in. It will be interesting to see which of the supermarket chains decide to refuse entry. Other shops will live or die according to their level of entry protection!

58095 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to IanE, #398 of 1029 🔗

Claim Disability Discrimination and ask for their name.

57564 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to kbeanie, 2, #399 of 1029 🔗

They freak me out too. And you’re right, no one will care in the slightest.

57347 peter, replying to peter, 29, #400 of 1029 🔗

Refused entry to brewdog in leeds over weekend as refused to track and trace, this from the company that makes Punk IPA and Nanny State. What a shameful bunch of cretins.

Then attended Leeds FC victory celebrations in Millenium Square last night. 7,000 turned up and got really pissed, not a muzzle in site and as for social distancing….LOL

These crazy football fans restored my faith in people after months of madness.

57354 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to peter, 6, #401 of 1029 🔗

I mentioned earlier in the week that there will be further celebrations in Liverpool this week. Why can’t those 7000 defy lockdown every day???

57358 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to peter, 6, #402 of 1029 🔗

And let’s not forget fa cup final, north London and west London will be packed with football supporters watching the game and celebrating. Can’t forsee masks being worn on public transport that day.

57431 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to peter, 2, #403 of 1029 🔗

Northern Quarter in Manchester was nicely full of revellers on Saturday night

57437 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to peter, 1, #404 of 1029 🔗

Didn’t Brewdog jump straight on the hand sanitiser bandwagon?

Funny how the 7,000 fans weren’t reported but the 3,000 naughty ravers were!

57556 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Cheezilla, #405 of 1029 🔗

Yeah. They make OK beer, but at hear pt they’re just self-publicists and scam artists (their share scheme is breathtakingly blatant and completely legal scam). It surprises me not at all if they’ve jumped wholeheartedly onto the latest bandwagon

57353 Will, 7, #406 of 1029 🔗

I can’t decide whether the lockdown fanatics have blood on their hands or were they simply useful idiots who believed the government/ Ferguson’s lies and took to social media to bully us all into the the corona hysteria. It was rather sad speaking to my daughter’s physio this morning; she will never know whether she would have spotted my daughter’s issues sooner if she hadn’t been forced to cancel all those appointments. At least the NHS was protected though……

57355 Brian D, replying to Brian D, 8, #407 of 1029 🔗

There’s been much discussion of the psychological and behavioural tactics employed these last few months but one other thing has had me thinking. It’s only been in the last few years that any cordoning off for a police incident has been dramatically referred to by the local and national reporters as that place being put into lockdown.

Early on in this affair (the week or two before the great shutdown) I theorised wrongly that this overuse of the word lockdown would mean that people had been desensitised to the word and so people would take no notice. Lately I’ve realised that I was half right, but in desensitising the word and idea of a lockdown people have learned to accept the idea as a rational reaction.

Is it just that the hyperbolic language used has simply been carried on? Or have they been preparing us for this for a few years?

57435 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Brian D, 2, #408 of 1029 🔗

Good point. Lockdown sounds very dramatic and might have helped people comply during the anticipated only three weeks of draconian measures.
However, I think shutdown is a much more appropriate word under the current circumstances because it applies to the economy and the NHS.

57362 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 1, #409 of 1029 🔗

Received this today:

If you had a say in what’s most important for South Oxfordshire or Vale of White Horse District Council s to focus on, what would you say?

Would it be…

  • tackling the climate emergency
  • providing the homes that people need
  • helping businesses to thrive
  • protecting and restoring our natural world
  • working in partnership
  • or healthy communities?

Our councillors have identified six main themes for each council for what they feel are the most important areas they need to focus on. They would like to know how residents, council staff and local organisations such as community groups, businesses and Town and Parish Councils feel about these themes.

The survey will run until 13 August and is looking for feedback on the council’s priorities over the next four years. Simply click on the links below to have your say.

Lots of free text bits so composing my answers now!

57365 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sarigan, 3, #410 of 1029 🔗

How bizarre
If there is a climate emergency, I’m not sure that South Oxfordshire council is quite the body to tackle it
I guess if a Council is managing schools, refuse and highways perfectly then they can afford to be more ambitious…

57390 ▶▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to Julian, 3, #411 of 1029 🔗

Local authorities mostly don’t build and manage homes, or manage schools, any more. They have far fewer real functions than they used to, so that’s why a) turnout for local elections is so poor because voters know they are not voting on anything of any real consequence to their lives, and b) councils try to get involved in things outside their control.

57403 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, 3, #412 of 1029 🔗

Indeed. Taking pot-shots at local authorities is just playing into the hands of the current bunch of central government Spivs (led by – remember – someone whose main qualification is lying through his teeth) who are *actually* corrupting what democratic functioning exists

57393 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Julian, 2, #413 of 1029 🔗

Well, the climate loons seem to think the UK, with its 1% or so of world anthropenic-CO2 emissions, can sort it all out, so, at 1% (or is it 0.1%) of UK emissions, it should be a doddle for South Oxfordshire to save the world!

57376 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Sarigan, 4, #414 of 1029 🔗

so where is “emptying the bins and providing normal services efficiently and cost effectively”.
why do these councils try to get involved with things that are not their responsibility or are outside their control

57512 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Sarigan, #415 of 1029 🔗

Presumably ‘none of the above’ ?

57522 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to bluemoon, #416 of 1029 🔗

That and then some. You can skip through the questions without having to answer to see how ridiculous some of it is but plenty of opportunity to fire both barrels anonymously with questions like this:

2. In your own words, describe a happy and successful community:

57367 Hoppity, replying to Hoppity, 1, #417 of 1029 🔗

Radio 2 Jeremy Vine prog. Some professor going to argue case for compulsory vaccination, apparently…

57368 ▶▶ Hoppity, replying to Hoppity, #418 of 1029 🔗

On now

57436 ▶▶▶ Hoppity, replying to Hoppity, 3, #419 of 1029 🔗

The powers that be and some in the media seem now to be thundering down the tracks towards us with a selection of vaccines for us and talk of whether or not it/they ought to be compulsory. I think I’m beginning to feel that Rome has started burning. Dr Sarah Jarvis said on TV this morning that people will “ have to volunteer” (i.e. the 500,000 they want to register for the 3 vaccines’ trials). On the radio, Jeremy Vine audibly sneered at one comment made by someone who was against the idea of compulsory jabs. The prof’s subject was ‘practical ethics’. Just another ‘glory boy’ from Oxford. I have no idea what they thought he might contribute, because I didn’t think he had anything at all to say that was worth broadcasting. A number of depressing comments from citizens who’d like to see C-19-vaccine-refusers clapped in irons, etc..

57456 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Hoppity, 2, #420 of 1029 🔗

Vine has standard BBC bias .. On his C5 tv programme this morning (he is a busy little bee. – does C5 then scoots across to BBC to do his radio show and then fits in Eggheads) had piece on masks and had Dr Ellie pontificating about them .. Pure propaganda from a media quack

57487 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hoppity, #421 of 1029 🔗

I heard that part of Jeremy Vines show today, naturally the clinical expert was in favour of compulsory vaccination as were all but one of his phone respondents and he said “nah it shouldn’t be compulsory but those wot don’t should pay more taxes and only them need be put in local lockdown”.

57425 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hoppity, 3, #422 of 1029 🔗

Notice how the vocabulary is changing. We’ve gone through deaths, to “cases”, now its masks in offices and vaccines, vaccines, vaccines.
Lockdown is being used as a threat more than pandemic too. Interesting to watch where the sheeple are being nudged.

57369 RDawg, replying to RDawg, 27, #423 of 1029 🔗

Gonna take a break from Twitter for a week. Too much personal abuse, hatred and vitriol targeted at me. I’ve removed any posts featuring my photo or full name, to avoid becoming a poster boy for targeted hatred.

It’s a worrying world we live in, in 2020.

57374 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to RDawg, 8, #424 of 1029 🔗

So sorry to hear that Dawg. It is a bitter and twisted world we live in and I fear so much for my children’s future. I would take a permanent break if I were you, your mental health is worth far more than any pathetic troll that has bought into all the crap.

57528 ▶▶▶ RDawg, replying to Sarigan, 1, #425 of 1029 🔗

Agreed and thanks to you all.

58070 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to RDawg, #426 of 1029 🔗

I ‘liked’ your photo on Twitter yesterday. Nice to see a face to a name WWBF

57375 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to RDawg, 9, #427 of 1029 🔗

Much as I like to fire off my own thoughts, I have always refused to join any social media channel like Twitter etc. This virus has exposed all the crap in our country (and world)…it’s an apocalypse, for sure. I think many people’s minds are now so far gone they are unsaveable.

57386 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to RDawg, 3, #428 of 1029 🔗

I created an anonymous Twitter account just because of how toxic social media is now. It’s like the Wild West.

57414 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RDawg, 2, #429 of 1029 🔗

I’m on 3 facebook forums – one a readers’ club, one a wildlife group, the other about food. All politics-free by mutual consent.

I rarely visit my home page. Recently, I’ve been posting anti-muzzle pictures there, which usually get a couple of likes, and sometimes forwarded but I never look for comments and I wouldn’t dream of posting my life on there.

57417 ▶▶ Basics, replying to RDawg, 9, #430 of 1029 🔗

If we take nothing else from this we now have a greater understanding of what it must have been like to be WW2 conscientious objectors.

57419 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, 4, #431 of 1029 🔗

And the white feather receivers previously.

57445 ▶▶ annie, replying to RDawg, 7, #432 of 1029 🔗

I’ve quit twitter.It’s a cesspit.

57455 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to RDawg, 2, #433 of 1029 🔗

Its understandable. That’s why I don’t post anything political on my Facebook account because the vast majority of people I know are very pro-lockdown. Not to mention that I have to maintain family harmony and it means biting my tongue when I see the horror of my two nieces muzzled up while playing and going out and about.

58065 ▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #434 of 1029 🔗

It’s a shame isnt it, to have to hide your true thoughts on this for fear of backlash from people who are supposed to be friends. I’ve watched on and ignored their nonsense pro-lockdown pro-masks posts, but if I did anything to the contrary I’d get a load of abuse (as I’ve seen some give to others).

There in lies the crucial difference in position. I’m not trying to force anyone to remove their masks, they are free to wear them. I don’t understand why they feel they have a right to force the rest of us to wear them too, and I also can’t wrap my head around how they all choose to pretend to not get why this matters.

57628 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to RDawg, #435 of 1029 🔗

That’s preciselywhy I don’t have an account. I also ditched Facebook. Life is too short! I don’t watch live TV either!

57371 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 16, #436 of 1029 🔗

I attended the anti mask protest on Saturday and what a surprise the Daily Mail basically writes of everyone as conspiracy theorists and irresponsible. Absolutely no balance to the article and the lovely Daily Mail readers in the comments section seem to overwhelmingly wish us all dead. Also the Sky New presenter took off his mask once of camera / the film crew didn’t wear masks and they didn’t socially distance. Really wish more people had attended there is strength in numbers.

57422 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Darryl, 5, #437 of 1029 🔗

Thanks for representing us. I’m too far away.

57447 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #438 of 1029 🔗

Agree. These things are almost always in London. I’m one of the 87% of the population that doesn’t live there. You know, the folk that MPs have never heard of.

57679 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Sam Vimes, #439 of 1029 🔗

I think a few more are being planned for around the country in the next few weeks – I would guess they will be quite low key.

57686 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #440 of 1029 🔗

Trying to get the message out that we don’t all consent. Have to be honest it is a pretty depressing and soul destroying experience traveling to London at the moment. Those black masks which hide half your face are very popular particularly with under 20s.

57687 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Darryl, #441 of 1029 🔗

They think they look cool. Whereas. . . . .

57472 ▶▶ Alec in France, replying to Darryl, 1, #442 of 1029 🔗

Was the chap in the Flat Earth T-shirt a plant, just for the photo?

57677 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Alec in France, 1, #443 of 1029 🔗

No he definitely wasn’t a plant. But you can’t police what people wear to a protest. It wasn’t the wises of wardrobe choices – I knew what the media would focus on straight away when I arrived (and they did!).

57514 ▶▶ Ryan, replying to Darryl, 2, #444 of 1029 🔗

Yip – I noticed the toss pot Sky presenter standing milling about with his colleagues taking no care about masks or distancing (quite right too) then behave like the sanctimonious clown he is when he had to address the camera.

Do these people have a spine?

57684 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Ryan, #445 of 1029 🔗

Also the Black Lives Matter protest across the road wasn’t technically socially distancing or complying fully with government rules. I think we had a wider range of protestors than them. They mostly looked under 30 white, dressed in black, masked and miserable.

57385 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #446 of 1029 🔗

Regarding untreated cancer and waiting lists. How do we work through the backlog?

If we prioritise urgent cases then the less urgent cases may well turn into urgent cases by the time they’re looked at.

If we prioritise the early onset cases to prevent them becoming more severe (giving people the best chance to survive) then we won’t be able to treat the already severe cases.

57388 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #447 of 1029 🔗

No, no, no: you are missing the point – these are not covid cases, and consequently just don’t matter! [end sarc – if any doubters!]

57389 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Nobody2020, 16, #448 of 1029 🔗

Basically a lot of people are going to die due to the most damaging policy ever implemented by a government in peacetime.

57395 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Poppy, 10, #449 of 1029 🔗

And everyone who warns against it gets accused of being a murderer.

57397 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Poppy, 6, #450 of 1029 🔗

.. whilst a good proportion of the population don the gag and sit on their hands whilst mumbling about ‘saving lives’!!!

Beam me up, Scottie.

57407 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to RickH, 2, #451 of 1029 🔗

If only!

57693 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Poppy, 2, #452 of 1029 🔗

More damaging than many implemented in wartime too.

57408 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #453 of 1029 🔗

Prioritising won’t be a problem. They will all become urgent cases, then lost causes. The National Covid Service will not revert to being the NHS.

Granted, this is a disgraceful push for universal mask-wearing and vaccination, feebly resisted by Bloris and Wankock.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/19/coronavirus-senior-doctors-warn-second-wave-could-cripple-nhs

Senior doctors are pleading with the public to help prevent a second wave of coronavirus that could “devastate” the NHS , amid concern at mixed government messages about face masks and returning to work.

….The British Medical Association said a second peak, combined with a seasonal flu outbreak, could be “devastating for the NHS” and voiced criticism of government guidance on the use of face coverings.
Masks will be compulsory in shops in England from this Friday, with a £100 fine for those who flout the law. But they are not being required in offices…

57697 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #454 of 1029 🔗

Trouble is, doctors complain about ingrowing toenails “devastating” or “overwhelming” the NHS, especially between September and March. Funnily enough, these complaints always stop just before the fresh budget comes available in April.

Peculiar that.

57872 ▶▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Cheezilla, #455 of 1029 🔗

Is there anything that doesn’t devastate the NHS (except money, of course)

57412 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #456 of 1029 🔗

How will they hide the sad numbers? I don’t dispute any of the senario, cancer deaths will rise, but how can they keep the numbers under wraps, it’s going to be easy to see the plot of cancer increase before and after March-August 2020.

57454 ▶▶▶ Rick, replying to Basics, 2, #457 of 1029 🔗

They will test and chalk up to C19. Hidden in plain sight.

57557 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #458 of 1029 🔗

They can wait until the urgent cases become unwell enough for hospitalisation, whereupon they will catch covid and be recorded as a covid death. That’s the cancer problem sorted.

57396 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 13, #459 of 1029 🔗

I cannot believe where we are right now and we are all still talking about this 4 months on from the original ‘3 Weeks’ to flatten the curve.

We have seen moments of hope but I fear those are fading.

I hope the masking is a step too far but it seems we are still in a minority that is tarnished with the same brush i.e. facists, tinfoil nutter etc. etc.

I thought this country had a backbone but it seems the UK is officially now an invertebrate. Even when the job losses mount and the deaths caused by lockdown grow, I think the masses are still going to bumble on in fear and trust that it is all for the greater good.

My hope rests on a cock-up that once and for all exposes the lies that no-one can dispute. Whether it is a leaked document or a senior whistleblower, anything will do!

If that does not happen, I really cannot see our lives ever returning to anywhere near normal in the UK.

57449 ▶▶ anon, replying to Sarigan, 3, #460 of 1029 🔗

at this point I would like to leave. trouble is I’m not sure where on earth to try

57507 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to anon, 2, #461 of 1029 🔗

We are planning on Costa Rica and buying a small hotel there up in the rainforest away from everything. Fell in love with the country and although they do have measures in place, we could get largely off the grid there very easily.

57623 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Sarigan, #462 of 1029 🔗

That sounds devine!

57886 ▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Sarigan, #463 of 1029 🔗

that sounds great – i’ll come and visit!

57462 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Sarigan, 3, #464 of 1029 🔗

I’d so love just to wake up tomorrow to a normal world for everyone. Also apart from a few places like Sweden there is nowhere that’s any better than here currently.

However as the saying goes “it’s always darkest before the dawn”.

57691 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sarigan, 3, #465 of 1029 🔗

When the job losses start to mount and people are hit in the pocket. I knew a Communist in the 1970s who used to tell me that the only way there would be a revolution in the UK was if the powers that be took away the working man’s holidays, his fitted carpets and his colour TV. Things have obviously moved on since then, but once the powers that be are seen to be taking things away and making people worse off, you’ll see a sudden shift in opinion.

I hope.

57846 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Sarigan, 1, #466 of 1029 🔗

Even when they put us in orange jump suits (for everyone’s protection of course) there will still be massive compliance.

57400 Gillian, 5, #467 of 1029 🔗

Have to laugh. Today is a local public holiday in the Glasgow area:- Glasgow Fair Monday (third Monday in July). Traditionally GP surgeries in the Glasgow area are closed for the day, with NHS 24 (out-of-hours GP service) dealing with calls and any urgent needs. You would have thought that with the surgeries effectively having been working on “locked doors” since March, with phone service only, the surgeries would at least have foregone the holiday to provide a limited service today. Wrong! All surgeries locked with notice on door to phone NHS 24 in case of emergency. Hope all the GP’s are enjoying their unearned “day off”.

57405 kbeanie, replying to kbeanie, 15, #468 of 1029 🔗

Message from my mum who works for Sainsbury’s:

Masks: Sainsburys are providing us with masks….in August! It is ‘strongly advised’ that we wear them on the shopfloor, but we don’t have to behind the till. Difficult when on till though because we don’t just stay at the tills. We cannot enforce it in customers, so if a customer comes in without a mask we let them. We are not here to police them. If other customers take issue with a customer not wearing a mask we can advise them to call the police. This is going to be fun!!! 😂 🤣 😂

57460 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kbeanie, 8, #469 of 1029 🔗

I don’t think Sainsbury’s should be telling staff to advise customers to call the Police about other customers,staff should keep out of it,this is going to end very badly for someone very soon with the vindictiveness and spite that is growing rapidly in a lot of the public of this country.

57473 ▶▶▶ kbeanie, replying to Paul, 5, #470 of 1029 🔗

It’ll come down to non-compliance, police not having the time/resources, staff being abused, customers abusing other customers + taking it upon themselves to act as judges etc.

The gov will soon realise it’s utter bollocks when the economy struggles even more + somebody undoubtedly gets hurt because of this shitty mandate

57501 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kbeanie, 4, #471 of 1029 🔗

I don’t think the government cares about the economy or if people get hurt.
What they do care about is beyond my comprehension.

57505 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to kbeanie, 3, #472 of 1029 🔗

The government knows its utter bollocks.

57537 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Saved To Death, 4, #473 of 1029 🔗

As I’ve just said above, they clearly do, because otherwise it wouldn’t be so easy to self certify as exempt and the categories of exemption wouldn’t be so broad and open to interpretation

57411 Humanity First, replying to Humanity First, 6, #474 of 1029 🔗

“A vaccine is widely seen as the best chance of getting our lives back to normal.”

I have a feeling that we’ll be seeing the “Normal Life = Vaccine” message a lot more in the coming days…

Coronavirus vaccine: UK government signs deals for 90 million doses
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53469269

57423 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Humanity First, 7, #475 of 1029 🔗

Inevitable. Make people’s lives such a misery with masks, distancing, job losses, vilification of non-wearers, lack of schooling, lack of health-care (non-covid), local lockdowns, the elderly banged up in care-homes, ad nauseam, and they will practically BEG and SCREECH for a vaccine. It’s nailed-on. And what comes next, once we’ve all been jabbed? So far, sceptics have been able to work out the goal, i.e vaccination of the masses….but what comes next? We have to work that out as well.

57432 ▶▶▶ Humanity First, replying to thedarkhorse, #476 of 1029 🔗

Actually the WEF have very helpfully laid it all out for us on their website:

https://www.weforum.org/covid-action-platform

If you don’t have 2 spare days to go through all their plans, Spiro Skouras has a 20 min video on some of the “highlights”

https://www.bitchute.com/video/9msmLcN0oFTr/

57836 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to thedarkhorse, 1, #477 of 1029 🔗

I heard one guy (Andrew Kaufman?) ask that since they can’t correctly identify the virus you have to ask what the vaccine is exactly for.

57426 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Humanity First, 7, #478 of 1029 🔗

Yes – it’s hard to dodge the conclusion that this is all driven by a fallacious vaccine agenda.

As I’ve asked before : who needs an unproven vaccine for a generally mild virus that is at sub-epidemic levels in the community (and I speak as a relatively vulnerable Old Fart)?

57446 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Humanity First, #479 of 1029 🔗

Back to work? Get your shot!

57420 RickH, replying to RickH, 8, #480 of 1029 🔗

Thought it might be useful to repost the summary of points made in the ‘Unherd’ interview with Carl Heneghan and Tom Jefferson.

The interview is powerful because both participants are understated and keep to the protocols of proper scientific discourse (as opposed to the brown-nosers who are wheeled out to justify insupportable government positions).

They don’t need to overstate – the evidence-based case is a devastating indictment of policy if you just read the implications that lie between the lines :

See : https://youtu.be/Z3plSbCbkSA

  • for the full interview.

On masks:

  • Tom Jefferson: “Aside from people who are exposed on the frontlines, there is no evidence that masks make any difference, but what’s even more extraordinary is the uncertainty: we don’t know if these things make any difference…. We should have done randomised control trials in February, March and April but not anymore because viral circulation is low and we will need huge number of enrolees to show whether there was any difference”.
  • Carl Heneghan: “By all means people can wear masks but they can’t say it’s an evidence-based decision… there is a real separation between an evidence-based decision and the opaque term that ‘we are being led by the science’, which isn’t the evidence”.

On the life cycle of the pandemic:

  • CH: “One of the keys of the infection is to look at who’s been infected, which shows a crucial difference when comparing the pandemic theory to seasonal theory. In a pandemic you’d expect to see young people disproportionately affected, but in the UK we’ve only had six child deaths, which is far less than we’d normally see in a pandemic. The high number of deaths with over-75s fits with the seasonal theory”.

On Covid seasonality:

  • CH: “The stability of the virus is far less when the temperature goes up but humidity seems to be particularly important. The lower the humidity, the more stable the virus is in the atmosphere and on surfaces… It’s now winter in the southern hemisphere, which is why places like Australia are suddenly having outbreaks.”

On lockdown:

  • CH: “Many people said that we should have locked down earlier, but 50% of care homes developed outbreaks during the lockdown period so there are issues within the transmission of this virus that are not clear… Lockdown is a blunt tool and there needs to be intelligent conversations about what mitigation strategies can keep society functioning while we keep the most vulnerable shielded”.

On Nightingale hospitals:

  • CH: “They are the wrong structure. What you need is fever hospitals which were here until around the 1980s or 90s. They were on single floors and had isolation within isolation. Theere were no lift shafts and staff were trained, which meant that everyone was protected from each other… It looks like at leats 20% of people got the infection while they were in hospital”

On suppression strategy:

  • CH: “The benefits of the current strategy are outweighed by the harms…When it comes to suppression, only the virus will have a determination in that. If you follow the New Zealand policy of suppressing it to zero and locking down the country forever, then you’re going to have a problem… This virus is so out there now, I cannot see a strategy that makes suppression the viable option. The strategy right now should be how we learn to live with this virus”

On the response to the virus:

  • TJ: “I am a survivor of four pandemics and for the other three, I didn’t even realise they were going on. People died but nothing changed and none of the fabric of society was eroded like this response… Do I see steps being taken at a European level about learning from our mistakes and changing policies? The answer is no…

On the politics of the virus:

  • CH: “We as individuals are part of the problem because sensationalism drives people to click and read the information. So it’s a big circle because we’ve created the problem — if we put the worst case scenario out there, we will go and have a look. If you want a solution, you’ve got to get people to stop clicking on this sensationalist stuff”.

On IFR:

  • CH: “We will be down about where we were with the swine flu: around 0.1-0.3% which is much lower than what we think because at the moment we are seeing the case fatality”.
  • TJ: “If you look at the whole narrative, it was distorted from the very beginning by the obsession with influenza which was just one or two agents and nothing else existed. We’re no different now”.
57439 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to RickH, #481 of 1029 🔗

Can anyone explain to me why a seasonal infection would impact the elderly more than children, but less so for a pandemic? I don’t understand his point.

RSV is a seasonal infection that has a disproportionate impact (at least in mortality terms) on the very young (although does kill some older adults as well) . So this is not always true.

57585 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Sophie123, #482 of 1029 🔗

Seasonal infections such as cold and flu tend to pick off people who are particularly vulnerable. The straw that broke the camels back so to speak. COVID-19 would seem to fall into this category.

A true pandemic wouldn’t necessarily be seasonal in nature and would also prove deadly to old and young and healthy people.

57451 ▶▶ Humanity First, replying to RickH, 7, #483 of 1029 🔗

Thanks. Very useful summary. To anybody who still retains the ability to think for themselves, it is now beyond obvious that the steps taken by most governments around the world are not a legitimate or proportionate reaction to a virus.

And the same governments must know this themselves but seem to be expending more and more energy and time into hoodwinking their populations about a ‘lethal virus’ which is anything but.

If you point out the truth, you are accused of being a liar; if you believe the lies, you are a good and responsible citizen.

What is going on?

57619 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Humanity First, #484 of 1029 🔗

We will be Microchipped like a domestic pet.

57831 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Humanity First, #485 of 1029 🔗

Divide and rile. Twas ever thus.

57497 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, 1, #486 of 1029 🔗

Thanks for the quotes. I found especially interesting the fact that the Nightingael hospitals were an inappropriate design. All for show then, as suggested earlier today?

57427 Hopeful, replying to Hopeful, 7, #487 of 1029 🔗

Just a gentle reminder. As an anti-lockdown comments section it would be a shame to get distracted by stuff that has us looking left when we ought to be watching what’s going on in the other direction. In particular the effects of this lockdown on our quality of life, way of life, health, and livelihoods. Whilst also waking up to what’s in the so-called covid19 vaccine (aka cybervac), the powers given to PHOs, and super-surveillance through nano technologies.
Got to wake people up to this stuff. It isn’t a film script. Sadly it’s all very real. While they keep us socially distanced, muzzled and working from home they are able to implement their mad plan for our world.

57440 ▶▶ Hoppity, replying to Hopeful, 1, #488 of 1029 🔗

Yes, I feel they’re stealing a march on us now. As of this morning, the whole vaccine thing is now up and running.

57444 ▶▶ anon, replying to Hopeful, #489 of 1029 🔗

well said

57429 swedenborg, 6, #490 of 1029 🔗

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/21/health/child-flu-deaths-105/index.html
 A record-breaking 105 US children have died from flu so far this season By Gina Yu, CNN
Updated 1834 GMT (0234 HKT) February 21, 2020
Has MSM/BBC forgot that report?
So far in the US 31 persons below the age of 15 have died of Covid-19 in the US.
Just shows the insanity of school closures now.

57441 Laura Suckling, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #491 of 1029 🔗

An very informed and interesting You Tube video by a Canadian doctor regarding the social and medical impacts of face covering: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FFTiwjqxBs

57488 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Laura Suckling, #492 of 1029 🔗

Good video. Watch at double or 1.5 speed!

58023 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Laura Suckling, #493 of 1029 🔗

Watched it as well. Very good.

57450 Mark II, replying to Mark II, 13, #494 of 1029 🔗

I just made the mistake of venturing onto the Guardian to see if they were giving any coverage to the scandal of death numbers (couldnt see anywhere on first page) and to my horror saw:

  • Masks now mandated ‘indoors’ in Hong Kong, as they’re allegedly in a ‘critical’ situation (100 cases). I thought they were all already wearing the magic masks anyway?
  • Masks now mandatory outside the house in Victoria, Australia
  • Masks now mandated in all public places, under threat of fines in France for some reason, which until now seemed to be taking a relatively civil path out of their ridiculously strict lockdown
  • You’d also think America was about to fall, completely, as a country.

The big mask lie continues, when cases rise in already masked countries, more mask wearing is the answer, rather than admitting they do jack shit. When cases rise in unmasked countries, more masks. When cases dont rise in unmasked countries, mask them anyway!

57468 ▶▶ Alec in France, replying to Mark II, 4, #495 of 1029 🔗

It’s actually mandatory in ‘enclosed’ public spaces (so far!) in France – bad enough though.

57616 ▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to Alec in France, #496 of 1029 🔗

I’ve been contemplating a visit to my old home (only lived there for 2 years, but was bliss) in the Tarentaise Valley, for a cycling holiday, but the new mask mandate has put me off.

57733 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Alec in France, #497 of 1029 🔗

What’s an enclosed public space? Does that mean the Bois de Bologne?

57469 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Mark II, 2, #498 of 1029 🔗

You need a lot of protection to venture to the Guardian. Kevlar under plate armour inside a space suit may do it.

“Masks now mandated ‘indoors’ in Hong Kong, as they’re allegedly in a ‘critical’ situation (100 cases). I thought they were all already wearing the magic masks anyway?”

What’s that, 0.001% of the population, or something?

57496 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Cicatriz, 1, #499 of 1029 🔗

They’re on a completely different strategy in HK. They have successfully suppressed the virus and have no herd immunity. So what they’re doing is worth a shot.

57481 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Mark II, 1, #500 of 1029 🔗

Yes but where will it end?

I’ve seen more articles recently which mention becoming infected through your eyes and the image I posted yesterday where everyone’s wearing gloves.

What are the odds on full face/eye masks and gloves everywhere by Christmas!

Ho Ho Ho!

57485 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #501 of 1029 🔗

No need for that. They know the virus is gone/not deadly/etc,etc. There will be a lot more sore throats and eye infections though.

57482 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark II, 1, #502 of 1029 🔗

This fits with the way they are being pushed for general use in this country.

57735 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #503 of 1029 🔗

Doesn’t matter that the virus is gone. Until we push the narrative that they want us all enslaved (because what other reason is there?) and get people to believe it (almost impossible) nothing is going to change. Unfortunately the impression I get here at LS is that people around the world are meekly compliant. Surely there has to be more opposition than that?

58072 ▶▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to Bella, #504 of 1029 🔗

Doesn’t seem it and having now discussed with family (tentatively) this weekend just gone and some colleagues last week, from my small sample it seems we’re a long long way from people reaching any sort of ‘final straw’, I really thought people valued their personal freedoms a lot more but it seems to be very much an ‘i’m alright jack’ situation.

Was particularly surprised at my sister and a friend who have both said ‘it (lockdown) hasn’t really effected me anyway, I’ve actually quite liked having more time at home with the kids’ and ‘I don’t go shopping much anyway so dont really care if I have to wear a mask once a week’ – well then, I guess you guys have nothing to worry about then :/

57461 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 12, #505 of 1029 🔗

If the government want to coax us back out onto the streets and into the offices, shouldn’t they start by telling their own employees to get off their arses, rather than foist masks and other privations on the rest of us? Sorry, rhetorical question.

57474 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to James Leary #KBF, 10, #506 of 1029 🔗

They don’t want us back on the streets or offices or they would just undo project fear which is still at full throttle.

For example they STILL have the hazard warning signs on the rostrum during press conferences.

There are dozens of examples.

57480 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #507 of 1029 🔗

Definitely rhetorical – unfortunately.

57465 davews, replying to davews, #508 of 1029 🔗

Regarding church reopening, our church minister forwarded me this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=utBc3EGVMhU#menu
Can’t make up my mind whether it was taking the whatsit or if that is really how that church is going to do it. Telling the preacher to get back behind the pulpit really sums it up!

57478 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to davews, 1, #509 of 1029 🔗

They are following the actual guidelines! It would be hilarious – except the situation isn’t funny!

The actors obviously think it’s ridiculous and struggle to keep their faces straight.

I liked they way the mask was used as punishment for trying to sing hymns of praise – subtle(ish) comment.

Good for your Church Minister. He’s probably quietly despairing but is clearly a lockdown sceptic and this is a great way for him to speak out.

57559 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Cheezilla, #510 of 1029 🔗

Our minister is a lady and most definitely not a sceptic. We seem to disagree on all sorts of things sadly. At least she did comment that she thought we could do better…

57470 Lydia, #511 of 1029 🔗

Since begining of lockdown I have been shopping in my local shopping centre, never worn a mask and have not seen many people wearing one. Friday I went shopping as usual with my two children and met my 70+ mum, still not many people wearing masks so I felt confident that on this Friday I can walk around as usual without my mask. However, today when I visited there as been a big uptake in mask wearers – even little kids! I was told by the security guard that if people do not have a face mask on they would be refused entry. Explained that I was exempt and was told that I would need a medical letter to prove it. I explanined that GP’s aren’t issuing medical certificates and he didn’t have a clue what would happen if people say they are exempt. Useless. I’m very nervous about going shopping on Friday and do not feel confident to argue back if I am confronted. I have seen exemption cards on the internet and I can print them off but will they work or do you need anything official?

57484 matt, replying to matt, 15, #512 of 1029 🔗

So, we can be pretty certain that the compulsory wearing of masks will have no actual effect on the spread of the virus. However, there a two possible ways that infection numbers can go after Friday:
– most likely down, just because that was what they were going to do anyway
– possibly up, most likely as an artifact of testing, or maybe just because sometimes people catch viruses.

Unfortunately, either scenario provides an argument for compulsory masks in all public spaces. If numbers go down – clearly masks in shops have worked and so think how much better it will be if we have to wear masks everywhere. If numbers go up – national disaster, looming second wave, we must all wear masks everywhere to avoid another lockdown.

I can see the media have now moved on from their victory over masks in shops and are pushing the universal masks narrative,, and we’ve seen this pattern before. I’m in despair at the thought. I honestly think something will snap inside me if this happens. I may just never leave my house again.

57494 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to matt, 3, #513 of 1029 🔗

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/one-month-after-statewide-mask-mandate-california-daily-case-average

Despite this, we have passed the point of no return. Governor Newsom will no doubt mandate masks at all times on private property in response to this.

Reality is melting. We are through the looking glass.

57533 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Richard O, 2, #514 of 1029 🔗

“Homemade masks can help the spread of COVID-19 in addition to other social distancing measures. Take action now to save lives”

Founders of the lobby group masks4all.org.uk include.

A member of XR Doctors and Doctors in Unite

A Green City Councillor in Carlisle and staunch climate and environmental activist

A digital activist using her background in digital marketing to campaign for real societal and political change.


Now if these twonks what to ‘change society for the better’ then they should all enter politics and try and get elected.

57499 ▶▶ Julian, replying to matt, 1, #516 of 1029 🔗

Agree, they can spin it either way.

Instead of not leaving your house, leave the country?

57547 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to matt, 1, #517 of 1029 🔗

Or infections could stay the same, thus proving that masks make no difference either way.

57486 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #518 of 1029 🔗

Of interest re masks.

http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=31058&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

Article 6 – Consent

1. Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice.

Posted lower down this LS page also.

57492 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Basics, 1, #519 of 1029 🔗

I’m not sure that would apply to masks, but would certainly apply to mandatory vaccination.

The government would squirm their way out of it by saying that the masks are only mandatory in certain environments and that does not constitute them being mandatory.

57500 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Cicatriz, 1, #520 of 1029 🔗

It crossed my mind this is why masks are not being issued. As it is I believe we are being told to make a medical intervention without full information. I realise I operate on a different plain from the legal world. A reasonable person may find there is a case to include face coverings under article 6 above.

57511 ▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Basics, 1, #521 of 1029 🔗

I agree with you in principle. My argument would be that forcing people to wear them while shopping would constitute enforcement as otherwise it is preventing access to food. The government would just dissemble it’s way out of it like it did with the school closures in Simon Dolan’s legal case and say that shopping in stores is optional.

It doesn’t have the wiggle room with vaccination as it is a persistent intervention and not a temporary one.

57548 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Cicatriz, #522 of 1029 🔗

I understand and accept reasonable is not a standard appearing in court rooms currently.

57535 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Basics, 3, #523 of 1029 🔗

The facts that the exemption rules are broad and therefore open to interpretation and that it comes down to self certification (without the need for even an official card or certificate) is a pretty clear indication the the government themselves know this particular rule is a farce. If they actually thought it was important, it wouldn’t be so easy to get out of.

57553 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to matt, #524 of 1029 🔗

If it was important I would be all for it. I have a mean discipline enough to see out black death without problem.

I suppose the governments argument might be similar to the schools, they were never closed. We were never forced to wear masks.

57544 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cicatriz, 4, #525 of 1029 🔗

A non-pharmacological intervention is still an intervention, and subject to the same risk/benefit assessment.

Which blows compulsory mask wearing out of the water.

57502 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, #526 of 1029 🔗

Free!

Gah! This gets right under my skin.

57519 ▶▶ Scotslass, replying to Basics, #527 of 1029 🔗

I think the government has been very canny in allowing so many exemptions from mask wearing (effectively allowing you to self-exempt) because they know that if challenged in court, they would lose. How can they mandate people to wear masks but not stipulate to what quality these face coverings must adhere, ie any old piece of tat will do. Can you imagine on building sites, people wearing baseball caps or cycle helmets? No, they have to comply to certain standards which have been rigorously tested.

57491 Panda, replying to Panda, 15, #528 of 1029 🔗

It’s going to be absolutely hilarious if President Trump gets re-elected in November. I’m no fan of his, but certainly no fan of the democrats or what they currently stand for either (censorship, toxic identity politics, etc).

I’m increasingly coming to the conclusion that this massive covid overreaction and the apparent intention to want to spin it out for as long as possible with zero justification, is in fact everything to do with trying to unseat Mr Trump.

Anything that gives a bloody nose to these globalist totalitarians will get a thumbs up from me at this point!

57498 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Panda, 10, #529 of 1029 🔗

It’s a hobson’s choice, but Trump really winds up the people I dislike the most.

57503 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cicatriz, 6, #530 of 1029 🔗

In a nutshell, he doesn’t play the game therefore must be brought to book. Heaven forfend someone do things differently or think for themselves – as we all know only too well.

57527 ▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Tom Blackburn, #531 of 1029 🔗

He doesn’t play the game as he can’t be bought! The rest of them have sold their sorry behinds and are completely amoral. Notice the number of “world leaders” without children?

57563 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Cicatriz, 4, #532 of 1029 🔗

And, anyway, does anyone REALLY want a near-dementia has-been in charge? If the best the dumocrats can produce is Hillary followed by Uncle Joe, the US lefties must be in a pretty parlous way!

57595 ▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to IanE, 1, #533 of 1029 🔗

Indeed. They’re in the midst of a civil war between the centrists and the socialists. The centre left/social democrats that make up most of the voters on the left have no real representation. Labour and the Democrats have yet to figure this rather simple thing out and instead whine about thick working class people.

57493 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, #534 of 1029 🔗

The Independent: My patients are so worried about coronavirus that they’re dying to save the NHS – literally.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-excess-deaths-doctors-hospitals-stillbirth-rates-gp-surgeries-a9627921.html

57555 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #535 of 1029 🔗

I don’t sympathise all that much. You can die of stupidity. Stupidity can be deadly. As here.

57495 Lockdown Truth, 5, #536 of 1029 🔗

Hi all

I’m seeking a judicial review against HMG directive on mandatory face coverings.

I need some help.

If you have some spare time please email me here and describe what sort of help you might be able to give. https://www.lockdowntruth.org/about

This isn’t a request for money. That will follow soon.

Thanks

LT

57504 silver, #537 of 1029 🔗

Listen to Sarah Montague on The World at One, at around 17 min 00 sec, A rare truth almost slipped out on the BBC.

57506 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 4, #538 of 1029 🔗

This is what we need to be wary of while distracted by masks and second waves:

“We have a golden opportunity to seize something good from this [COVID-19] crisis. Its unprecedented shockwaves may well make people more receptive to big visions of change,”

Prince Charles
WEF June 2020

https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/20/the-great-reset-fraud/

57510 ▶▶ anon, replying to Lockdown Truth, 3, #539 of 1029 🔗

this whole thing is planned

old big ears is too thick – clearly being fed this imo

eurrgh it’s all so sickening watching this play out

will they wheel out one of big ears’ brothers next? /sarc

57518 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Lockdown Truth, 5, #540 of 1029 🔗

One of the biggest problems with this whole charade has been the long line of complete whoppers queuing up to explain how they’d like the ‘new world’ to be shaped.

57517 Drawde927, replying to Drawde927, 1, #541 of 1029 🔗

BBC article about T-cell immunity (saw the link on Karol Sikora’s Twitter page):

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200716-the-people-with-hidden-protection-from-covid-19

Certainly good that this research is starting to be covered, and in depth too, by the BBC. However! The focus of the article seemed to be entirely on vaccines and related subjects. No discussion of how this research affects the actual lethality of the virus, or herd immunity. I suppose I shoudn’t be surprised!

57561 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Drawde927, 1, #542 of 1029 🔗

Yes indeed, the vaccine bit is rather a non-sequitur. They don’t need to be so puzzled – just look at Sweden.

57649 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Julian, 4, #543 of 1029 🔗

Or history. It’s amazing how they present these studies as if the human immune system was only discovered yesterday.

57525 Ryan, replying to Ryan, 9, #544 of 1029 🔗

Just back from a jaunt into my local town centre with #1 son.

Lovely day and muzzle wearers must number about 10% of people out and about.

How this is turned into 100% by Friday I can’t see.

What I did notice is a number of the larger stores had staff very discretely at the doors clearly marking off the number of muzzle to not muzzle wearers entering their stores.

I have a feeling they are simply looking at the numbers and will make a decision on their response one Friday based on the numbers entering their stores.

If their decision was based on cold economic logic as far as I can see most stores will not be enforcing this nonsense.

Having said that we’re all exempt as wearing a mask would cause extreme distress.

57538 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ryan, 2, #545 of 1029 🔗

Your last point is an important one – but we can also all claim exemption on the basis of the risk of harm from hypoxia and hypercapnia etc. Since there is no established benefit, the potential harm rules.

57552 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ryan, 5, #546 of 1029 🔗

Having said that we’re all exempt as wearing a mask would cause extreme distress.” I wish I was a better liar. I am extremely distressed by the mandating of masks, because it means that idiocy is winning. And I think that the law is an appalling one, because it’s political theatre and based on a lie, and enabled by a deliberate campaign of misinformation. This too distresses me. But wearing one is just mildly uncomfortable, and not distressing, for me. And sadly the government’s overall policy so far has broad public support, albeit based on misuse of government power to frighten the people. But people should have been paying more attention. The government and media are malevolent, but the people let them be.

Regarding masks in shops, I guess it will vary. Some large stores and shopping centres already employ security guards and I expect many of them will be barring entry if you don’t have a mask.

57558 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Julian, 3, #547 of 1029 🔗

Then vote with your feet and support a shop that allows non masked individuals.

No need to declare anything, walk in, if questioned say you are exempt. If they then ask you to leave do so.

57562 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Victoria, 5, #548 of 1029 🔗

I loathe shopping but will do so, when I need to shop (not that often thankfully).

I feel sorry for the staff, who didn’t ask for this shit, some of whom are now being made to wear masks, which is just awful.

57609 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Julian, 7, #549 of 1029 🔗

I think making workers wear masks for a virus that has all it died out is not only criminal but an attack on their human rights!

57574 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Julian, 6, #550 of 1029 🔗

it’s quite clearly distressing for you to wear a muzzle.

and remeber you are not lying wheras THEY ARE LYING

it honestly scares the shit out of me just seeing the zombies wear them

57589 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to anon, 1, #551 of 1029 🔗

They are indeed lying.

I wish it was distressing for me, but it’s not, or not in the way that the exemption is intended.

57596 ▶▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to Julian, 4, #552 of 1029 🔗

well consider not wearing one in protest!

please also consider not giving in and conforming.

I think we are past considering whether exemption rules are being honourably followed or not.

this is ultimately about our freedoms, few of which remain

57601 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, 1, #553 of 1029 🔗

The exemption doesn’t state intentions, Julian.

My variety of distress sounds pretty similar to yours, and I shall state ‘medical exemption’ as the reason I am not wearing one.

57629 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to JohnB, #554 of 1029 🔗

Thanks. I should really have learned after all these years to be less honest now and again.

57721 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to anon, #555 of 1029 🔗

Me too

57529 RDawg, replying to RDawg, #556 of 1029 🔗

Folks, is this document from the CDC legit?

57545 ▶▶ Drawde927, replying to RDawg, 2, #557 of 1029 🔗

There seem to be quite a few spelling/grammar/syntax mistakes, and the general writing style doesn’t look very official/scientific – it reads more like a rather ranty blog post. So I’d suspect it isn’t legit (unfortunately)

57570 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Drawde927, 1, #558 of 1029 🔗

It was the CDC’s position back in March, but that reads worse than one of my angry drunken posts on anti-Lockdown forums.

57676 ▶▶▶ RDawg, replying to Drawde927, #559 of 1029 🔗

I suspect you are right.

57546 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to RDawg, 1, #560 of 1029 🔗

Well the way it’s written seems amateurish.

57530 CarrieAH, replying to CarrieAH, 2, #561 of 1029 🔗

Current poll in the Telegraph if anyone wants to go over and vote.

57540 ▶▶ Julian, replying to CarrieAH, #562 of 1029 🔗

Do you have a link for that?

57554 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to CarrieAH, #564 of 1029 🔗

Would love to. Is there a link that I can go behind paywall to do it?

57590 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to CarrieAH, 1, #566 of 1029 🔗

Encouraging – over 11,000 votes so far, 70:30 against masks.
11,000 may give a lot more balance than looking at the comments below the line on their articles (where the sceptics are rational and the mask-wearers are nannying).

57531 MDH, 6, #567 of 1029 🔗

Just in time!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53469839

For a nation of Media Studies graduates, the under-40s seem remarkably naive as to when they’re being played like a f***ing fiddle.

57532 RickH, replying to RickH, 4, #568 of 1029 🔗

If you haven’t clocked it, this latest posting on the ‘InProportion’ website is fascinating, not least, terms of the implications re. the recording of death data to potentially boost Covid numbers :

Nine out of ten leading causes of death were below average in June – or were they just wrongly attributed to covid?

http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/cause_of_death_20jul.html

57539 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to RickH, 7, #569 of 1029 🔗

I f***ing knew it! How can this be denied… if it’s true?

My theory all along has been that ALL Covid deaths are fake but even people here had a go at me about that… 🙁

They couldn’t release a genuinely deadly disease (in case it went rogue and killed their own families) so they release a unique mild one and then repurpose other deaths at whatever rate/location they want to fit whatever narrative they want.

The reason it kills the old and ill is because that’s who would be dying anyway.

57549 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Lockdown Truth, 6, #570 of 1029 🔗

The reason it kills the old and ill is because that’s who would be dying anyway.”

Indeed. *Any* respiratory infection will do the same – and probably is.

And don’t forget the larger than usual vulnerable population that has survived an extra year because of low infection in 2018/20.

57569 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to RickH, #571 of 1029 🔗

Exactly

57586 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, #572 of 1029 🔗
57597 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to RickH, 4, #573 of 1029 🔗

No surprise – 100% of all the deaths I know of with Covid on the death certificate (all 3 of them!) were described by the next of kin as ‘definitely not due to Covid’.
In one case, it was a hospice presumably wanting an easy out, in the second (died at home) it was a quick way of having the body released for burial than than a p.m. – although the reason she’d been relased to gom home was that she had had two negative tests. Don’t know about the third.
There was an Irish Youtuber, right at the start of all this, who had a site with photos of emails and tweets about deaths which were not Covid but were ascribed to it – it would be good if he had kept it going.

57626 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to RickH, #574 of 1029 🔗

+53/100,000 for C-19 but -118/100,000 (below 5 year average) for the rest so nett minus 65/100,000 which suggests that staying away from doctors is good for you. Makes sense, that’s where all the sick people are. Death rates dropped in Israel following a 2000 strike by doctors. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1127364/

57654 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to RickH, #575 of 1029 🔗

If this is true it appears to be a smoking gun. I was undecided whether the virus had killed any significant number, not any more. This needs to be verified and republished everywhere.

57567 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Victoria, #577 of 1029 🔗

comment image

Is that Prince Harry!

57706 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Lockdown Truth, #578 of 1029 🔗

H ha. Good question!

I like the one with the car air filter on his head

57849 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Victoria, #579 of 1029 🔗

Brilliant – had a good laugh. I like the lady wearing mens’ Y fronts on her head. Actually i saw a video few months back of how to convert your knickers into a face mask – i might try that!! 🙂

57855 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Victoria, #580 of 1029 🔗

Hahahaha!!!

57560 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 2, #581 of 1029 🔗

Remember Boris’s Greenwich speech way back in February?

”When we’re starting to hear some bizarre rhetoric, when barriers are going up and where there is a risk that new diseases like Coronavirus will trigger a panic and a desire for market segregation that go beyond what is medically rational-to the point of doing real and unnecessary economic damage-then, at that moment humanity needs some government somewhere that is willing at least to make the case powerful for freedom of exchange”

He continues:
”Some country ready to take off its Clark Kent spectacles and leap into the phone booth and emerge with its cloak flowing as the champion of the right of population to buy and sell freely among each other” (is that as long as they wear a muzzle?)

I realise this was all about Brexit but if the cap fits for Covid ………..

57566 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Margaret, 4, #582 of 1029 🔗

Hi Margaret, I included this quote in a letter to my MP and to Kier Starmer, with the following comment:

‘Whilst presumably trying to hint that his government would be the government to make the case for freedom of exchange, the fact remains that the Prime Minister did panic in the face of coronavirus and did make decisions that go beyond what is medically rational, namely never before have the healthy been ‘quarantined’, to the point that he has brought real and unnecessary economic damage onto this country, not to mention the social damage that has been caused. Therefore, what is the reasoning behind quarantining the healthy?’

It still had absolutely no effect whatsoever!

57610 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Moomin, #583 of 1029 🔗

I also sent this to my MP, Kevin and suggested that Boris was intimating that his government would be the “Some government, somewhere”

Unfortunately it wasn’t.

57575 kbeanie, replying to kbeanie, 6, #584 of 1029 🔗

How do you get across your argument when people keep on just saying it’s common sense to wear one + basically dismiss every thing you say in response?

57577 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to kbeanie, #585 of 1029 🔗

Or that you’re just ‘being silly, it’s only a mask’…

57584 ▶▶ matt, replying to kbeanie, 12, #586 of 1029 🔗

It’s common sense in the sense that it seems logical that wearing something in front of your mouth will stop things that come out of your mouth from going too far. It’s essentially the same argument as saying it’s common sense that the earth must be flat, because I’m standing on it and I can see that it’s flat.

It’s anti science. Not sure you can convince anyone who thinks this way, but if you can actually persuade them to take at look at the almost complete lack of supportive evidence for mask wearing, then you might get somewhere.

57707 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to matt, 6, #587 of 1029 🔗

you won’t cos these people ae totally brainwashed. I had the misfortune of talking to a GP today, I gave him both barrels. He is brainwashed too. No reasoning with him at all. A full on lockdown fanatic.

57588 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to kbeanie, 9, #588 of 1029 🔗

You can’t argue with someone who dismisses all your points, rather than engaging with you in rational debate. I wouldn’t even bother, they sound beyond the point of persuasion.

57621 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Poppy, 2, #589 of 1029 🔗

Yes, they only come back at you with absurd statements like ‘if it only saves one life’ blah, blah. I just call ’em ‘anti-factsers’…

57598 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to kbeanie, 4, #590 of 1029 🔗

You could try saying that a soggy facemask is as disgusting as nose picking and, if online, send them a link to the Dr Jenny Harries/BJ video from March putting this point in more polite terms

57658 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Strange Days, 2, #591 of 1029 🔗

Oh – it’s far worse that nose-picking!

57599 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to kbeanie, 6, #592 of 1029 🔗

Common sense is evidence based otherwise it’s just an opinion.

Tell them to look at Scandinavia and ask why they’re not wearing masks and why the infection rates haven’t ballooned.

57605 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #593 of 1029 🔗

Indeed. And ask them why infection rates here have not ballooned since we opened up, without masks. And point out shops have been open all along, without masks. And if we need masks now in shops, we will need them forever, and if we need them in shops why not everywhere in public, and why not in schools, otherwise why did they close? Do these nitwits really want to wear a mask all the time, forever? Some might, most won’t.

57624 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Julian, 3, #594 of 1029 🔗

The main argument given is that we are opening up more now so there will be more people mixing. Scandinavia, in particular Sweden, have been mixing in numbers for a while so the argument that more people mixing now is moot.

57613 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #595 of 1029 🔗

And point to California where they have worn masks and cases have spiked.

57646 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Sarigan, 4, #596 of 1029 🔗

I’m sure they’ll find one non mask wearer to blame it on.

57659 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #597 of 1029 🔗

The problem is that rationality is a very weak tool when push comes to shove. People have a natural tendency towards the emotion of Fairy Stories.

57664 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 5, #598 of 1029 🔗

I get that not everyone is super rational, but why don’t people want to believe the NICE stories about covid, rather than wanting to believe the NASTY ones. Weirdos.

57865 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #599 of 1029 🔗

And if they point out China or Japan, etc counter by saying that mask wearing hasn’t helped their high flu rates year on year. Plus don’t forget too the psychological problems associated with mask wearing that are becoming an issue in Japan.

57604 ▶▶ PaulK, replying to kbeanie, 23, #600 of 1029 🔗

I quite liked one which someone posted on FB:

Random person: “Wear your damn mask”

Me: The viral particles are much smaller than the pores of the mask, so the mask is ineffective at filtering them. Right?

R: No, they travel on droplets and the masks keep the droplets out. Or they keep them in if you’re sick.

Me: So wait, how is the virus transmitted?

R: Through droplets. Wear the mask.

Me: Droplets?

R: Yes, like droplets spewed through a cough or sneeze.

Me: So through people who are showing symptoms?

R: Yes

Me: So why do healthy people need to wear masks?

R: Because of asymptomatic spread. Listen to the experts.

Me: I am listening to the experts. Many studies show, and even the WHO announced, that asymptomatic transmission is exceedingly rare. Did you read that?

R: WHO walked that back to clarify that its pre-symptomatic spread that’s concerning.

Me: Pre-symptomatic?

R: Yes, like they are infected but showing no symptoms.

Me: Symptoms like coughing or sneezing?

R: Yes.

Me: So how is the virus spread again?

R: Just wear the mask.

Me: Are you going to answer the question?

R: It’s like pants.

Me: Pants?

R: If a person pees in public without pants on, you have a greater chance of getting pee on you. Your risk is reduced further if you are wearing pants too.

Me: First of all, people don’t pee in public. Second, if they did pee in public, the only way someone’s stream of urine would hit me is if they were directly aiming for me and standing close enough to hit me. And third, I don’t care if you wear pants. How does this relate?

R: If someone coughs on you in public you’ll care.

Me: People don’t just cough on each other. The last time someone coughed directly in my face was when I had toddlers and they didn’t understand common courtesy and germ transmission. The only way someone would cough directly on me in public is if they were aiming. Anyway pants don’t keep the pee in, it’s still going to get everywhere. Pants just change the direction of the flow. Same with masks.

R: Common courtesy?! You don’t have common courtesy if you’re refusing to do something as simple as wearing a mask!

Me: How is it courteous to ask me to do something I disagree with (based on research) especially when I’m not sick or showing any symptoms when the virus is spread through the droplets of people who are showing symptoms?

R: You’ll think differently if you get sick.

Me: If I get sick, I’ll stay home. But if I must go out I will be happy to not cough on people. But just to clarify, would you stand near me in public if I were wearing a mask and coughing?

R: No, I mean, if you get sick, you could die.

Me: The virus has a 99.9 something percent survival rate.

R: It’s not about you, it’s about protecting the vulnerable.

Me: If I am not sick or showing symptoms how am I further protecting the vulnerable by wearing a mask? Studies also show these masks put the wearer at increased risk of illness.

R: You can’t listen to those studies, you need to listen to professionals in the fields of medicine and science.

Me: These studies ARE from professionals in the fields of medicine and science.

R: They are obviously flawed.

Me: How so?

R: It wouldn’t be a mandate if it weren’t important.

Me: Why is it a mandate now that the death rate has plummeted when it wasn’t a mandate during the peak?

R: Because of new studies on masks.

Me: So masks have never been studied before, in the entire history of medicine?

R: It’s a new virus.

Me: A new virus that is transmitted in the same way as other viruses. How is it transmitted again? Through droplets of people showing symptoms? So, if I’m not sick or showing symptoms and I have no fever and I’m not coughing, how would my wearing a mask further prevent transmission?

R: Stop being an asshole and wear the mask.

Me: So, you’re asking that I stop thinking critically, accept a totalitarian mandate, join the herd of mindless sheep, and walk blindly into a dangerous abyss of ever increasing control over my self sovereignty that violates my rights, all while signalling my virtue?

R: I’ll report you if you don’t.

Me: What country am I in again?

57606 ▶▶▶ PaulK, replying to PaulK, 3, #601 of 1029 🔗

Alternatively you simply state they cause you severe distress and refuse to engage with them in debate 😉

57625 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to PaulK, 3, #602 of 1029 🔗

Me: Pass me my migraine tablets……

57655 ▶▶▶ Suitejb, replying to PaulK, 3, #603 of 1029 🔗

Not only will I not cough on people when I’m out I won’t sneeze, spit, engage random strangers in controversial debates involving raised voices. I won’t suddenly break into song and I won’t whistle. I’ll just keep my mouth shut, that should work!

57680 ▶▶▶ Humanity First, replying to PaulK, 4, #604 of 1029 🔗

By this ‘logic’ nobody should ever drive a car again because of the risk they may kill or injure someone (actually, just realized that’s also part of the plan..!)

58418 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Humanity First, #605 of 1029 🔗

Perhaps we should all wear full scuba gear – just in case we should fall into a swimming pool.

57799 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to PaulK, 1, #606 of 1029 🔗

R: “If you don’t wear a mask you could kill people”
Me: “Would you prefer I use a handgun or sword instead?”

57627 ▶▶ Mike Smith, replying to kbeanie, 5, #607 of 1029 🔗

Tell them the WHO says that the only effective masks are surgical masks, so there is really no point.
Tell them the viral load from someone in a shop or cafe will be very low, since it’s such a brief contact, so you’d hardly get ill if you did catch the thing from them.
Ask them when they think the masks edict is going to end. The lockdown was for a couple of weeks, but we’re still not back to normal.
Ask them if they’d be happy with masks on the street, as in Spain.
Ask them if they’d be happy with gloves in public.
Where do they draw the line? A virus that has virtually gone, that killed very few people, and so we wear masks and gloves every time we leave the house, for the rest of our lives?

57579 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #608 of 1029 🔗

Oxford University have made a joke out of the whole pharmacutical industry up until this point. They have today declared their covid/cronona vaccine is ‘safe’. An absolutely monumental moment in history since vaccines are now the work of but a few short months. Any argument about long term safety is old fashioned twaddle and not worth suffering. It is safe and they hope will be ready to go in arms in the first half of 2021.

Covered by msm this afternoon.

57580 ▶▶ kbeanie, replying to Basics, 10, #609 of 1029 🔗

If people want to accept the vaccine, that’s their choice. But I certainly won’t when vaccine production generally takes 10-15 years…

57593 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to kbeanie, 5, #610 of 1029 🔗

The precedent this sets is historic.

Trust Science to identify new virus.
Trust Science to fix the problem in a few months with a vaccine.

From now on. An lobbying organisation just needs to create the ‘healthy’ market, to cause the clamour in populations, and governments will feel good about spending billions to cover the costs.

57618 ▶▶▶▶ Mike Smith, replying to Basics, 6, #611 of 1029 🔗

And the lockdown came as a result of following the science, as I recall.

The word “science” seems to be changing its meaning. Not sure what it means now, and who knows what it will mean in a few months time.

57747 ▶▶▶▶▶ Gracie Knoll, replying to Mike Smith, 1, #612 of 1029 🔗

“Science” is now a control system like “Religion”. Same modus operandi – white coated “authority figures” spouting unintelligible clever-sounding jargon and promising THEY have the only way to salvation. And the masses fall in line as they always have.

57583 O.D., #613 of 1029 🔗

Not on socials so I can’t talk to the good Doctor from Oregon. At least I can get some info out somewhere, and LS will do! I too have a less than positive view of Oregon’s masks and the “science” its Health Authority is using to support mask use.

dissentersandskepticsoforegon.wordpress.com/2020/07/06/oregon-health-authoritys-mask-embarrassment-disproved-by-their-own-evidence/

Bad things are afoot in this state, more posts to come as the next few weeks’ events play out, from Portland to the rural counties.

57587 Ms Maxine Shaverin, #614 of 1029 🔗

Patrick Vallence talking about the report at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_OzaycwRwo

57591 MDH, 18, #615 of 1029 🔗

Fundamentally, I think, and why us sceptics cannot win, is that we’re being smothered by specifics. It’s a trick you see all the time among “progressives”. The only consideration all along should have been is the response to the existence of Covid-19 PROPORTIONATE. And by ANY measure, this has not been the case since March 23.

Thousands dead from non Covid-19 ailments, a whole generation denied education for six months, millions unemployed, a dire effect on mental health, societal norms turned on their head.

There is no justification for anything other than the protection of the vulnerable. And there never was.

57592 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #616 of 1029 🔗

Can’t verify the veracity of this article but interesting if true. The implication being that there’s no hiding away from the virus:

57 sailors in Argentina get coronavirus after weeks at sea, despite quarantine
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/americas/article/3093102/57-sailors-argentina-get-coronavirus-after-weeks-sea-despite

57600 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #617 of 1029 🔗

Yes swedenborg posted a link to this the other day.

What it demonstrates is the vast difference between lowering the herd immunity threshold a bit with taking a few days off work when ill, washing hands etc, and eradication.

The former is easy and can have a dramatic effect on the herd immunity threshold. The latter is close to impossible. It’s no longer about reducing transmission on average, but catching _everything_ including situations like this ship where it just pops up apparently out of nowhere.

People like Sturgeon seem to think that if cases are almost at zero it should be easy to go the extra mile. Nothing could be further from the truth.

57636 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #618 of 1029 🔗

Or that SARS-Cov-2 is not the cause of COVID-19. Or that they stopped off somewhere for a bit of R&R.

57656 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #619 of 1029 🔗

The problem is that no-one knows anything much about this virus and its effects because the data has been totally screwed by the promulgation of the myth – as the sudden mysterious decline in other fatal diseases shows by implication :

http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/cause_of_death_20jul.html

57602 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 10, #620 of 1029 🔗

I can perhaps buy the speed at which this Covid vaccine has been developed – it is truly unprecedented and many scientists have been working around the world full throttle to fast track it. I’m not a scientist myself but I would sincerely hope that because they’re doing it in such a short space of time, they’d have some special new-fangled way of ascertaining long-term side effects that they haven’t got the time to wait to manifest. I’ve always been of the view that we must learn to live with Covid without inoculation given its low severity, but if a successful and safe vaccine is developed for it, great. It’s a bonus but it certainly shouldn’t be mandatory because in most cases the immune system is perfectly fine at fighting off the disease, and the vaccine should probably be distributed in a similar way to the yearly flu jab, i.e. strongly recommended and free of charge for vulnerable folks/health workers, and small charge for everyone else who wants it.

However, I find it interesting that a vaccine is being developed so quickly for Covid, a disease which isn’t that dangerous at all. There are far more deadly diseases in existence, or which have the potential to become very deadly, and we’ve never seen science develop a vaccine in such a short space of time or with such urgency for these diseases.

I wonder whether the speed of the Covid vaccine’s development is a result of governments at the beginning of the pandemic/lockdown insisting that the only route back to normality was through the vaccine, back when everyone was panicking about a supposed 3.4% death rate, which would have really been a cause for concern. Of course as time has gone on, the data backs up that Covid isn’t nearly as deadly as previously thought with an IFR of 0.2% and perhaps even lower, but governments can’t back down and admit fault because they’ve caused so much damage through their lockdown policies. So I wonder if the vaccine is just going to be an arse-covering exercise in order to get us back to ‘normal’ as soon as possible and save the government’s blushes. They might not even need to make it mandatory because so many terrified sheep will be queueing up for it, but I bet many of those people don’t bother getting the yearly flu vaccine.

57611 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Poppy, 4, #621 of 1029 🔗

There is no way they can determine the effectiveness of a vaccine when by their own admission they don’t know very much about the virus itself.

A virus so smart that it has left scientists baffled and all the cumulative knowledge gained to date has been forgotten or deemed useless.

At this stage the vaccine could be nothing more than a placebo and it would be accepted as the key to getting us out of this mess.

57633 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #622 of 1029 🔗

Nobody has yet satisfied Koch’s postulates to show that SARS-Cov-2 causes COVID-19. Hard to believe but check it out for yourselves.

57644 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #623 of 1029 🔗

Is that the system for identifying a relationship between symptoms and cause?

SARS CoV 2 has not been indentified or shown to cause symptoms we now call Covid-19.

57667 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #624 of 1029 🔗

Apparently they have but it’s dodgy at best involving mice

57760 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #625 of 1029 🔗

Humanised mice or did I dream that

57728 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #626 of 1029 🔗

We know a lot about the virus and how to make a vaccine. But there are important gaps in our knowledge about the immune response, how that may be implicated in severe disease, and therefore what the risk is of enhancement from the vaccine.

57617 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Poppy, 1, #627 of 1029 🔗

It would make sense to only prioritize the vaccine for those most at risk. I would be very suspicious if it was to be mandatory for all.

57653 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to T. Prince, 2, #628 of 1029 🔗

I wouldn’t be ‘suspicious’ – I’d be certain of jiggery-pokery going on.

57671 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to T. Prince, 5, #629 of 1029 🔗

Unfortunately, those most at risk — the elderly — are the least likely to mount the immune response necessary to make any vaccine effective. There will be no understanding of any long-term effects of the vaccine, it won’t be safety tested (no vaccine has been if you delve into the literature) and the human trials have thus far only included young, healthy people. It’s got the potential to be a disaster of epic proportions.

57631 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Poppy, 4, #630 of 1029 🔗

These vaccines are only on stage 1 and a couple on stage 2 of the testing process. If they make it though stage 2 then they have to go through the final stage three. If everything looks good after the first three stages of human trials, then you have a year of testing to find out the how long the vaccine antibodies will work for, then if that is all good there will be a minimum of 2 years to identify side effects.

So based on this and the vaccines getting through the stage 2 and 3 human trials, there will not be anything ready for at least 4 years at the minimum.

57638 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to JohnB, 3, #631 of 1029 🔗

Tune into msm today. Oxfird University are aiming to get vulnerable arms vaccinated by early next year, with a fully licensed vaccine.

I agree it sounds ridiculous but that is the timeframe they are giving.

57699 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 1, #632 of 1029 🔗

Jeez, that is going to be seriously dangerous.

Anyone who goes anywhere near that vaccine needs their head looking at. The will just be guinea pigs. I bet they will not publish any of the worst case scenarios either for the vaccine.

57705 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 3, #633 of 1029 🔗

It makes no sense either. Ebola vaccine was rushed through in 5 years but that is because the CFR for Ebola is 25-90% so the benefits of a vaccine outweighs the risk.

COVID-19 has a CFR between 0.1-1% so there is no need to rush through a vaccine, but instead we are trying to rush through a vaccine in less than a year. I could maybe understand it if we were doing it to save the global economy but we aren’t, it’s been destroyed already, so what’s the real purpose for this?

57741 ▶▶▶▶▶ Gracie Knoll, replying to JohnB, 4, #634 of 1029 🔗

The real purpose is to make the vaccine COMPULSORY. This transfers ownership of our bodies to the State and Big Pharma. Thereby simultaneously:
1) giving the Drug Lords a licence to print money (they will recommend whatever compulsory vaccines they want, whenever they want)
2) removing the most basic of our human rights – right of sovereignty over our own bodies – and setting the scene for removal of all our other rights (returning us to pre Magna Carts serfdom); and
3) possibly paving the way for psychopathic megalomaniac eugenicists like Bill Gates to assume the power of life and death over the global population (euthanise the old; sterilise the young.)
IOW this is about MONEY, POWER and CONTROL. It’s got bigger all to do with healthcare.

57742 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Gracie Knoll, replying to Gracie Knoll, 2, #635 of 1029 🔗

Bugger. Bugger all.

57753 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Gracie Knoll, 1, #636 of 1029 🔗

Great to see you back GK.

I agree, the power BigPharma has and has had for many years is truly terrifying.

57797 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to JohnB, #637 of 1029 🔗

They are vaccinating against a fear they caused. Covid has no real part in it. But thats just one of my sneaky low blood sugar opinions.

57751 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to JohnB, #638 of 1029 🔗

Exactly, I have no idea how the hell they’re going to rush this thing through in under 2 years, for an illness which isn’t even that severe. It makes no sense which is why I think it’s to help the government arse-cover.

57652 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Poppy, 3, #639 of 1029 🔗

I find it interesting that a vaccine is being developed so quickly for Covid, a disease which isn’t that dangerous at all.”

Indeed, indeed!

But, above all, there is no way that proper RCTs can be conducted in a rush.

A risk assessment for – say- an Ebola-type infection might come up with the conclusion that short-cuts are justified. But for Covid????

57674 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to RickH, 3, #640 of 1029 🔗

No RCT has ever been conducted with respect to vaccines! No safety testing either. Some studies in Africa have demonstrated that vaccinated children had a higher all-cause mortality than unvaccinated children. More of a post-hoc analysis than a RCT, but nonetheless illuminating.

57704 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #641 of 1029 🔗

Also they have never had a study that compared vaccinated against unvaccinated. We need that.

57847 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Poppy, #642 of 1029 🔗

From the 1970s the last time a vaccine was rushed through and given to the general population:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I0hIC6GqMc&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop

back when journalists actually researched things.

57612 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #643 of 1029 🔗

This is a brilliant twitter thread from Prof Francois Balloux about comparing covid-19 with flu pandemics well worth reading. Much pointing to similarities in total IFR with Asian flu 1957-1958 https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1284513420851781633This is interesting in itself but also the vicious attack from his colleague now being afraid it’s going to be used against the accepted agenda!! https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1284996402813304832“I don’t believe I wrote anything irresponsible in my thread comparing epidemiological features of Covid-19 and past influenza pandemics.I further disagree there are thoughts that can be shared between scientists but not the wider public.I find such an attitude questionable”A reply to thishttps://twitter.com/LucaFerrettiEvo/status/1284990565726248961 “Please do not forget that you are one of the most respected researchers in the field of infectious diseases, and with a large public following you. The thread you sent would have been perfectly OK within the scientific community as a slightly provocative thought, but… …and I guess you wrote it as such, but right now, it will be reported and used in very different ways. As you know, with great authority comes great responsibility.”

57620 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 7, #644 of 1029 🔗

Good for him!

A lot of this madness seems to have been enabled or caused by bullying and not standing up to bullies.

57635 ▶▶ Edna, replying to swedenborg, 1, #645 of 1029 🔗

I just tried to look at both of those links and, ominously, it says ‘Page Not Found’ 🙁

57637 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Edna, #646 of 1029 🔗

Hmmm. UK Column addressed twitter’s censorship in today’s boradcast: https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-20th-july-2020

57643 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Edna, #647 of 1029 🔗

Swedenborg didn’t put a space between the URL and the next word he typed. For the first one you need to use the link but remove “then” and for the second remove “I”

57645 ▶▶▶▶ Edna, replying to matt, #648 of 1029 🔗

Ah! Thank you! They both work fine now 🙂

57650 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Edna, 1, #649 of 1029 🔗

Indeed. Noted – the Stasi on the march?

I had to laugh drily at the pompous **** who wrote “ As you know, with great authority comes great responsibility.”

… The O.B.N brigade in the scientific community certainly don’t recognise that stricture – let alone the government itself!

57661 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 1, #650 of 1029 🔗

I was encouraged by the replies which were mainly supportive of Balloux.

57660 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Edna, #651 of 1029 🔗

Actually it says this page doesn’t exist… they should know

57663 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, #652 of 1029 🔗

Oh… found it! 😊

57670 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #654 of 1029 🔗

Obviously can’t get it right delete second and third!

57615 Edna, replying to Edna, 3, #655 of 1029 🔗

I’ve just seen this on the Law Or Fiction website and it has an interesting point about the measures shops can take (at the moment) regarding social distancing/virus restrictions. It also says:

“Legislation in relation to facial covering from 24th July, assuming it will be introduced, has not be published yet.”

http://laworfiction.com/2020/07/lower-prices-and-no-queues-here/

57632 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Edna, 5, #656 of 1029 🔗

Interesting

57634 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, 2, #657 of 1029 🔗

Or worrying?

57639 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #658 of 1029 🔗

Neither, particularly in my opinion. The Scottish situation was the same – I believe it cam out the morning that it went into force.

Again, the exemptions show that the government isn’t particularly serious about it. They’re not going to enforce it and they’ve given everyone who wants one an easy out. They’re just expecting most people to comply because they’re told to and many more to comply for fear of social pressure and that’s all they need.

57647 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ryan, replying to matt, #659 of 1029 🔗

I think that’s it in a nutshell.

Self exemption for those that want it.

57930 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to matt, #660 of 1029 🔗

Why would they have threatened us all with £100 fines then? Who’s pulling their strings if they don’t want us to wear them?

57622 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #661 of 1029 🔗

Damn that pesky CorRetailoVirus!

“UK High Street stalwart Marks and Spencer is to cut hundreds of jobs as coronavirus continues to hit trading.”

57630 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sam Vimes, 19, #662 of 1029 🔗

“UK High Street stalwart Marks and Spencer is to cut hundreds of jobs as lockdowns and ridiculous measures continue to hit trading.”

57640 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #663 of 1029 🔗

Thousands of jobs going at Tata Steel

57696 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, #664 of 1029 🔗

Same a RR Aviation, I’ll lose 4 months work from it too.

57665 ▶▶ John Ballard, replying to Sam Vimes, 10, #665 of 1029 🔗

Covid…sponsored by Amazon and Ebay !!! But the Government is really helping retail with the new rule on masks, well done Boris and the halfwits.

57675 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to John Ballard, 2, #666 of 1029 🔗

You forgot Microsoft, Pfeiser and Astra-Zenica.

57641 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 11, #667 of 1029 🔗

The most ridiculous thing about the vaccine is that it may well turn out to be no better than the flu vaccine. The flu vaccine is not 100% effective and even with a vaccine many people still die.

There is a very good chance that people will still die even with a SARS-COV2 vaccine.. Unless it’s 100% effective what are those people who think that “one death is one too many” going to do?

Will they reluctantly get on with life and accept some level of death? Or will they demand that we keep restrictions indefinitely until nobody can ever die from COVID-X?

If the former then they will reveal their hypocrisy and it’s something we could be doing already. If the latter then they will reveal their delusion.

57642 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #668 of 1029 🔗

Last year the flu vaccine was around 20% ‘effective’, whatever effective means.

57666 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Victoria, 8, #669 of 1029 🔗

What’s worse is that there are some scientists who have suggested that the flu vaccine given in 2019 made Covid-19 even more virulent in those who took the vaccine — particularly the elderly in Italy. Not to mention that there has never been a vaccine developed for a corona virus, and attempts to create one have been a disaster. Just because they achieve an immune response in trials doesn’t mean it’ll work in the real world. In fact, when those vaccinated come into contact with the “wild” virus it creates the cytokine storm we’ve heard so much about. See the dengue vaccine in particular. In my view, any vaccine (particularly a rushed one) will cause far more misery than the virus ever could.

57734 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 2, #670 of 1029 🔗

The headlines about flu vaccines making Covid worse are only substantiated (as far as I have seen) by studies about viral interference.

This is a phenomenon where having one virus makes you a bit less likely to catch another one at the same time.

So the argument only works if you think Covid is so much more deadly than flu that it’s worth having flu to protect you from Covid.

Vaccines making the disease worse however is a very genuine concern with the Covid vaccine candidates.

57662 ▶▶ John Ballard, replying to Nobody2020, 9, #671 of 1029 🔗

The maniacs seem to have missed the fact that about 10,000 people die in England and Wales every week, week after week. That’s why the population isn’t 100 million plus – its how it is supposed to be. Deaths offset by births. Bigger issue is why we keep people alive who would sooner not be here in the state they end up in as mentally or physically gone. We take a dog to the vets when the time has come, but people are kept going with no quality of life month after month, even year after year. So cruel.

57702 ▶▶ Mark B, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #672 of 1029 🔗

As it is predominantly the elderly that are already ill that are at risk from this virus, how effective will this vaccine be on an already weak immune system. It has been tested on healthy people and this is what was written:

Participants were also asked to record any adverse events throughout the trial.
Fatigue and headache were the most commonly reported reactions. Other common side effects included pain at the injection site, muscle ache, malaise, chills, feeling feverish and high temperature.
Participants taking paracetamol around their vaccination had reduced pain, chills, feverish feelings, muscle ache, headache and malaise in the two days following vaccination.

57648 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 5, #673 of 1029 🔗

People from Wales now bootlegging. Since Dripford has imposed minimum pricing on alcohol people are crossing the border to buy

Can of Morrisons own brand cider (5,5% seeing as you ask)

50p in England
Minimum of 110p in Wales

57651 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #674 of 1029 🔗

Correction minimum of 120p in Wales

57657 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cecil B, 5, #675 of 1029 🔗

Yep. My ‘house’ Oz chardonnay is £4 at Aldi here, but £4.87 at Aldi Llangefni. Took plenty with me when we stayed on Anglesey this year.

57669 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #676 of 1029 🔗

Next time take a pallet, you will make enough money to buy a detached house in Merthyr Tydfil ( A town with only three statues, all dedicated to people who punched other people for money)

57689 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, 1, #677 of 1029 🔗

Same thing happens in Scotland, they nip over to supermarkets in Berwick and Carlisle, and fill them vans and cars up with cheap booze.

57672 Kelly deacons, #678 of 1029 🔗

For the last 4 months,most mask wearers have worn them in the belief that the masks have stopped them breathing in covid/virus particles.
Out of the blue,they are now told……nah,they only stop you breathing them out!
How can that be?….Were they sold at only half price?

57673 RickH, replying to RickH, 19, #679 of 1029 🔗

A close family member has just returned from a school staff meeting detailing what is to happen in September.

I couldn’t get my breath at (and can’t even remember) all the steps in a programme of blind idiocy aimed at dealing with a vanishing virus amongst a non-susceptible population (school kids). Sustained child (and adult) abuse aimed at some sort of weird fairy dance about a myth.

I feel as if I’ve been transported to Planet Zog, peopled by total idiots.

At least the rulers of the Planet of the Apes had intelligence above that of a below-average chimpanzee.

57682 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 11, #680 of 1029 🔗

It’s a worry. Where’s the reset button? How did the human race get this far, if we now seem to be collectively this daft?

I’ve said this before, but when all this started I was quite worried, so I spent a fair bit of time trying to get a handle on what the likely risk was TO ME (being a fairly selfish person). In the process of establishing the risk wasn’t significant, I came across lots of other information and viewpoints which led me to the views I have now.

Don’t understand, when the stakes are so high, why everyone who was slightly worried wouldn’t do that.

57756 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, 1, #681 of 1029 🔗

Because most people are not as sensible as you are, Julian.

Laziness, the MSM, and paid holidays also played a part.

57681 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 17, #682 of 1029 🔗

I’m not a manic depressive – I have never been manic in my life, but the other half of my personality has taken over today.

250 people at a London rally against masks.
296 signatures on a petition to stop compulsory mask wearing in shops.
MSM agenda already moving on to blanket masking outdoors.

This battle is lost my friends.

Covidism is the new nazism.
Scepticism is the new Judaism.

Hitler identified his enemy with compulsory yellow badges, covidism is more cute, it identifies the believers instead, in order to assert their overwhelming numbers, but the outcome will be the same. Get ready to be spat at in the street, get ready to be made to walk in the gutters, get ready to be forcibly experimented on with vaccines. Get ready to be starved to death through the inability to buy food. The new reality is already here people, we have lost, and there is no going back.

57690 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Old Bill, 12, #683 of 1029 🔗

They can’t spit from within their masks, Bill. 🙂

Negative waffle. Go for a walk, dig the garden, cook a meal. It will pass.

57695 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Old Bill, 11, #684 of 1029 🔗

It does often feel that way. The government propaganda team are clearly in overdrive trying to demonise non mask wearers and skeptics. There are people who are secretly skeptical but perhaps don’t have the courage to come out. Don’t give up, all is not lost yet.

57700 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Darryl, 11, #685 of 1029 🔗

I think there are also lots of people who are just apathetic and haven’t given it much thought, or know it’s probably nonsense but go along with it for now for a quiet life, assuming it’s being done to reassure the fearful and will be rolled back in due course. Once they realise that’s not how it is, I think they will start to get fed up. There are mask nutters out there, for sure, but I do not believe they are anything like a majority, because when you go to the shops they are not full of people wearing masks.

I think we get an overly negative impression because we spend time on social media and comments on websites, and reading evil journalists, and these are not reflective of reality.

So while things are bad, I think they are not quite as bad as all that.

57701 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Julian, 7, #686 of 1029 🔗

The government can only control the population as long as they voluntarily comply – once the majority of people get fed up it will be over, it’s just how long it takes to get to that point, and the amount of damage done along the way. Unfortunately, the British are very good at propaganda, and the media narrative is very controlled.

57738 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 6, #687 of 1029 🔗

I told my gardener this morning that he wouldn’t have to wear a mask if he didn’t want to. I explained about the medical examption and the Equalities Act.
He was very enthusiastic about giving it a go!

We just need to talk to people whenever we can. Don’t waste your time on those who don’t want to know but there are plenty out there who would love to have their own suspicions confirmed and know they are not alone.

Look here: https://www.standupx.info/
Join a demo. Meet the others of us.

57750 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #688 of 1029 🔗

StandUpX are a very enthusiastic and passionate group – entirely peaceful. I had never been along to a protest in my life until a few weeks ago, it was great to be around fellow sceptics for a change.

57698 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Old Bill, 5, #689 of 1029 🔗

All this is in the Bible. Just read about who won.

57731 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Old Bill, 3, #690 of 1029 🔗

I fear that you are right. I am daily coming across people who I really respect who have hung out the white flag and think that such analogies are ‘extreme’.

Little do they know. Little do they remember how totalitarianism grows quietly like a cancer.

Remember Martin Niemöller : ‘They came ….”

57754 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 1, #691 of 1029 🔗

Revise your ‘respect’ criteria. Think of this as one of the few positives of it all. 🙂

(My worst known lockdown fan is my brother – but he’s always been a bit different.).

57736 ▶▶ Fiat, replying to Old Bill, 1, #692 of 1029 🔗

Petition now up to 338….

57809 ▶▶ annie, replying to Old Bill, 1, #693 of 1029 🔗

Don’t despair. It’s what they want. Hang on in there.
The MSM are not the people. I see the people every day and they act normally whenever they get the chance.

58067 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Old Bill, #694 of 1029 🔗

You can’t really spit that effectively with a mask on.

58075 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bella, #695 of 1029 🔗

Quiffer. 🙂

57683 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #696 of 1029 🔗

How’s this for a theory

The corona virus law expires on 23rd September

The dictator has had a guts full of all this and is looking for a way out

Do as many stupid things as possible before the 23rd (face nappies being a prime example). MP’s will rebel and refuse to renew the legislation

Pass the buck to local authorities (already done) and let them take the flak in the future. Any measures they take will be required to be funded from existing budgets

The jobs a good un

57688 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cecil B, 7, #697 of 1029 🔗

It’s been quietly extended to January, and no doubt will be extended again. Possibly with the muzzle law, when they publish that.
Still like your idea, though.

57692 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #698 of 1029 🔗

When did that happen?

57703 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cecil B, 8, #699 of 1029 🔗

I could be wrong, can’t be arsed looking again, but the original Stay Home or Die law expired as you say, six months after 23rd March. Then the amended Have a Pint, But Don’t Get Too Excited law came out on 4th July, and runs again for six months.

57709 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edna, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #700 of 1029 🔗

It does indeed say that. I hadn’t realised that, I thought that as they were amending the first lot that came out on 23rd March, they too would expire in September. How I hate this government!

57715 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to Edna, 8, #701 of 1029 🔗

It’s basically never ending and it never has to be subject to scrutiny (not that the opposition would scrutinise it in the correct way anyway)

57723 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Mark II, 8, #702 of 1029 🔗

We’ve been done

57726 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark II, 10, #703 of 1029 🔗

Sadly – there is no ‘Opposition’.

I’m not interested here in party political stuff (if we ever get back to it, I’ll argue my corner when it matters) – just the fact that a functioning oppositional democracy requires a *functioning* opposition. The alternative (what we currently have) is *not* a democracy, but a consensus dictatorship of time servers (until something more lucrative comes along).

Starmer is clearly in opposition to nothing much that the government is doing. His (easy peasy) making the blustering Mr Toad look a twat is simply about the implementation of totalitarianism, not its fundamental basis.

As to the LibDems – the only question is ‘Who?’, and the Greens seem to have been all on-board with the opportunities offered by a Scary Fairy myth.

What a crock of shite is the ‘Mother of Parliaments’!!

57729 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, 4, #704 of 1029 🔗

what we currently have is *not* a democracy, but a consensus dictatorship of time servers

Billiantly put and chillingly accurate.

57739 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #705 of 1029 🔗

Lord Hailsham called UK government an elective dictatorship

57746 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to RickH, 7, #706 of 1029 🔗

A functioning democracy need a well informed population who aren’t brain dead propagandised morons who know nothing about anything. We don’t have an informed intelligent citizenry, just brainwashed f*&ktards.

57727 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Cecil B, 1, #707 of 1029 🔗

It “ends” in March 2022 but is still reviewed by parliament every six months. That means nothing!

In March 2022 the whole act can then be extended by a minister of the crown on a whim basically.

Given Boris’s majority and the spineless opposition any review will get the nod and future extensions will be uncontested baring a major u turn in public opinion.

57870 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Cecil B, #708 of 1029 🔗

Government’s emergency powers are for two years, aren’t they?

57685 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 19, #709 of 1029 🔗

If this/these vaccines are politically pressed into service before the standard 2 year side-effect checking period, they will be at best BETA versions. I used to be signed up for BETA programmes from Apple. I stopped that when I found, after a time, other stuff on the phone acted strangely or stopped working altogether. I’d rather have my immune system working as it is now, however imperfectly, thank you very much. So sod off.

57717 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to James Leary #KBF, 7, #710 of 1029 🔗

The Covid-19 vaccine being developed at the University of Oxford is safe and induces an immune reaction, findings of the first phases of the study suggest.

Isn’t it the victim’s over-enthusiastic immune reaction that kills people?

The volunteers have been followed up for eight weeks so far after immunisation.A further question is how long any immune response will last – if for only six months or a year, people might need regular booster shots.
There are also big questions over whether it will work in older adults – flu vaccinations do not give as much protection to older people, whose immune systems function less well than younger people’s. The trial participants were between 18 and 55 years old. The risk of dying from Covid-19 rises dramatically with age from about 65. Trials are now being undertaken in an older age group.

Do the older guinea pigs know they’re in a trial?

Considering there’s no pandemic and the virus is pretty harmless to most people, the need for regular booster shots points very strongly towards ££££££££££ for someone.

Quotes from the Grad.

57708 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 14, #711 of 1029 🔗

What a surprise!

Test and trace in England less successful in poorer areas, figures show https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/20/test-and-trace-in-england-less-successful-in-poorer-areas-figures-show

“It’s almost like doing a map of which are the richest areas – they’ve got the fewest cases. Which are the poorest areas? They’ve got the most cases. That’s a sad fact. This is a disease that hits the poor,” he said.
…. The data for the north-west shows that people in poorer communities are also more likely to have been in close contact with more people than those in wealthier areas, possibly owing to cramped housing, working conditions and multi-generational families.

The real reason is more likely to be that, unlike the furloughed middle classes, poor people can’t afford to be off work:

One theory is that some people in poorer areas may feel unable to self-isolate because they cannot afford to live on the statutory sick pay of £95.85 a week, and so do not respond to the calls.

So what’s next? Being accosted in your doorway by the military, like the guys in the Netherlands on last Wednesday’s UKColumn? ( 20 minutes in – https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-15th-july-2020 )

Under the current system, contact tracers attempt to reach close contacts of an infected person by text, email or up to 10 times by phone call. However, if people do not answer or return the calls, there is little else the system can do. Without named patient data, councils are unable to direct a door-knocking exercise that might have more success.

Considering the virus has all but disappeared, this gets more sinister every day.

57711 ▶▶ matt, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #712 of 1029 🔗

“The real reason is more likely to be that, unlike the furloughed middle classes, poor people can’t afford to be off work”

The real reason? Is that the real reason, or is it an explanation wot you just made up that fits your agenda?

57713 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to matt, 3, #713 of 1029 🔗

In case of doubt, the above pointed at stupid journalist, not at Cheezilla

57718 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to matt, 2, #714 of 1029 🔗

I always put quotes in italics.
The furloughed middle classes were all my own work.
Love from stupid Cheezilla

57722 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #715 of 1029 🔗

Oh, in which case I take it back. I always assume the worst of guardian journalists, but will give you the benefit of the doubt because you’re not stupid and your point may be valid.

57724 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to matt, 1, #716 of 1029 🔗

That’s very gracious. Thanks xx

57716 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cheezilla, 11, #717 of 1029 🔗

The footage on the UKColumn of what is happening in Holland and Germany shocked me. I know it is an over used term nowadays but it has a strong look of fascism.

Ordinary citizens are being beaten and abused by authorities around the world simply for going out for food and water in desperation. Dark times.

57725 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Darryl, 5, #718 of 1029 🔗

Dark indeed – and getting darker!

57710 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 26, #719 of 1029 🔗

Here in the only sane business in The People’s Republic of Royston Vasey had two customers in, in pretty floral face masks (Liberty print … ooh er.. very posh, but still effing useless!).

Anyway, as is the wont of the perennially up their own arses, they placed their muzzles on my table (yuk, thanks for that) and flinched when I took them their food, which is an odd reaction to the person who not a minute earlier had handled said food. Another puzzle is that when one of the women paid, instead of taking the credit card receipt (as any normal person would do), she proffered her open handbag so as not to come into contact with the nasty human being who had touched it with their disease-ridden digits.

These ruddy people who are more than happy to take advantage of me treating them like humans, and they then turn round and treat me like a medieval plague-merchant, they make my blood boil.

57712 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to kh1485, 17, #720 of 1029 🔗

Add a stupid supplement to their bill.

57714 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to bluemoon, 11, #721 of 1029 🔗

Stonking idea! 😉

57720 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to kh1485, 12, #722 of 1029 🔗

“10% discretionary* stupid surcharge

*At proprietor’s discretion”

57805 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 3, #723 of 1029 🔗

Yes, make the bastards pay, literally!

57757 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 3, #724 of 1029 🔗

Kick them the fuck out your shop for being such ^%$£”(*&

57764 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to kh1485, 5, #725 of 1029 🔗

I notice that reaction from people I pass on my walks, when they take a large swerve around me, as if they were cargo ships taking evasive actions around a U-Boat. I just smile at them. Or perhaps they swerve because of the smile?

57791 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #726 of 1029 🔗

I’ve started smiling maniacally when someone does the ‘swerve’. I enjoy the added look of unease on their (already) petrified faces!

57807 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #727 of 1029 🔗

The other day I said to a swerving couple,, ‘Yes, you’re right to avoid me ’cause I stink. I expect you stink too.’
They grinned! Clearly they weren’t zombies but were trying to be polite to this old biddy. May be the case more often than we think.

57787 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 2, #728 of 1029 🔗

You must have the patience of a saint and a lot of self-restraint Kh to put up with these people !,I couldn’t !.I think you need to have a separate menu with much higher prices on for those you expect will treat you rudely.
It happened to my wife but the other way round,she went to pay in a small department store in our town and when she proffered the assistant a ten pound note she rudely jabbed her finger on the counter and wouldn’t take it from her,she picked it up from the counter though !,she then pretty much slammed my wife’s change down on the counter.

57803 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 5, #729 of 1029 🔗

Oh, Paul, I have no patience, believe me. Today somone asked me in that annoying breezy sort of way “Oh, and how are things going?” I’m afraid by then I was wrong side out and I said “Well, apart from having my liberty snatched away from me; my business being forcibly closed for several months and being governed by a totalitarian dictatorship, I’m fine thanks” You know what, she didn’t bat a bloody eyelid! I half expected her to respond “That’s nice” The two women on the next table had a sort of sucking lemons expression on them as if to say “how rude” but they’d pissed me off also by asking if their flat white had any milk in, so I was in in full ‘don’t mess with me’ mode!

Your poor wife, how bloody awful. God, I hate these people. I mean, do they really think if they touch someone else’s hand they are going to die. Tossers …

57996 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 1, #730 of 1029 🔗

You should wear a bodycam like the coppers,I’d love to see the expressions on some of these prats faces !.

57788 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 2, #731 of 1029 🔗

You should of reached in and took her purse

57879 ▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 2, #732 of 1029 🔗

Can’t you put up a sign outside saying ‘Mask exempt welcome’?

A bit provocative, and you probably don’t want the hassle, but it would be a nice touch.

57946 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 1, #733 of 1029 🔗

Actually, we did think of putting one up saying “No Masks Here” which could be read either way!

58113 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, #734 of 1029 🔗

‘Straws are available for customers wearing masks’

57916 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 2, #735 of 1029 🔗

Like the idea of a surcharge. What about a special Covid 19 service charge?

57948 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #736 of 1029 🔗

I could have a whole ‘menu’ of additional charges! Use of gloop; mask-wearers; swervers; people who ask if “everything is back to normal”, the list is endless!

57719 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 27, #737 of 1029 🔗

Posted this late last night, think it got lost during the switchover –

A couple of things happened today (Sunday).

1) Was in the garden when next door’s paper was being delivered. Brief chat re the weather, then the bloke started on a long rant about the Plandemic, Gates, mandatory jabs, government incompetence (or worse), cashless society etc. He makes mugs about all this, is going to drop one off for us. 🙂

2) As my wife likes to spend her leisure time and our money in Hove tkmaxx, I found myself in the adjacent Burger King. Nice coffee, and a toilet. Leaving the gents, I was treated to a furious outburst from a very angry chap, about distancing, pub closures, masks, economic troubles ahead, etc. Wonderful.

These two encounters cheered me up, as usually it is me bending the ears of total strangers. We must not believe polls, social media, msm, the government, local councils, whatever. Most people are waking up to the nonsense, and turning against those who purvey it.

Saturday, Farmer’s Market, only one stall holder in a mask. (Vegan snacks). Was prepared to try a courgette and cauliflower pastie (noble of me, I know) if she would remove mask. No dice. Settled elsewhere on a free range pork pie. Other stallholders were unanimous in their attitude – “it’s over” “ludicrous” “load of bollocks”.

Vandalised a few posters, left sticky labels re LDS.org around, and continued my street art improvements to the latest distancing posters. Quite a few chuckles for the latter. 🙂

57737 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to JohnB, 7, #738 of 1029 🔗

Excellent work John, I particularly hate all the Covid warning notices everywhere, nanny state gone mad.

57913 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Darryl, 1, #739 of 1029 🔗

I no longer walk through the high street because of these. Instead I walk through the park where there aren’t any and head straight into our small Iceland store. Then it’s back home with no popping into shops on the way like I always use to. I’m saving £300 a month.

58064 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lili, #740 of 1029 🔗

Lend us a tenner, Lili …

58062 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Darryl, 1, #741 of 1029 🔗

Thanks Darryl. 60+ years, and it’s now ok for me to behave like a drunk teenager and ignore everything my parents taught me. 🙂

For those who haven’t been paying attention, our local council via eu money has erected many thin plastic ‘distancing ‘ posters. A man and a woman with “2M” in between. If one is finishing one’s cigarette, one can stub it out in the man’s groin area, embed it in the plastic, and leave it there. Yeeaahhh, fuck you, alien overlords ! 🙂

57740 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to JohnB, 13, #742 of 1029 🔗

Blimey JohnB, I bet you were relieved that the vegan stall-holder wouldn’t remove her mask: courgette and cauliflower pasty – that was a close call!

Think you’re right though, most people think it’s a load of crap. Happy to report, apart from a few isolated incidents (see below), most punters in my shop were behaving normally. And … a couple of mask-wearers from last week were today mask-free.

57804 ▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, 2, #743 of 1029 🔗

Good work, John, keep it up! Covinotice rippers of Britain unite! We are public benefactors, getting rid of the constant ‘be afraid’ crap that is making people … well, afraid, and needlessly miserable.

57806 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, #744 of 1029 🔗

Oh yes, done my own bit for the cause … 😉

58066 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, #745 of 1029 🔗

Thanks Annie. (I’m still telling the plod it was you set me off if I get nicked, mind.).

57808 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to JohnB, 3, #746 of 1029 🔗

John, why don’t you set up a stall selling face coverings….Masks4Morons. Catchy eh?

57832 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to JohnB, #747 of 1029 🔗

Don’t forget to vandalise the BLM stickers around town. Can you actually imagine what we might have to endure if Hanjob delegates local lockdown action to B&H council? They say it might go Green again. At least they can’t make decisions.

58074 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to James Leary #KBF, #748 of 1029 🔗

I’m nearer Lewes, James, though I do cross into B&H when I can’t avoid it. 🙂

No BLM posters here, though the Extinct Rebels do the occasional bizarre but well-distanced protest.

57730 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 2, #749 of 1029 🔗

Have you heard of the emerging theory of what viruses might be: exosomes? Are you absolutely certain that COVID-19 is contagious? How confident are you in the results from the test?

PCR Test – potentially meaningless test. Should you have it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Im7jsW9_Y

57822 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Victoria, 2, #750 of 1029 🔗

I’m happy to be corrected but I believe that SARS-Cov2 hasn’t fulfilled ANY of Koch’s four postulates yet. Does SARS-Cov2 even exist as a discrete and isolatable organism?!
DavidC

57838 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to DavidC, 1, #751 of 1029 🔗

Not yet as far is I know.

The exosomes theory certainly makes a lot more sense that the current theories.

57732 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #752 of 1029 🔗

Great site for information

QUESTIONING COVID

Clinicians, Researchers, & Health Experts from Around the World Interrogating the Mainstream Narrative Around the Pandemic

https://questioningcovid.com

57745 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Victoria, 2, #753 of 1029 🔗

heck there’s a lot on that website. Interesting; bookmarked (as if I don’t see enough virus stuff already but it looks, on the surface, intelligent.)

57784 ▶▶ Mike Smith, replying to Victoria, 1, #754 of 1029 🔗

Excellent site. I just watched this video on it, showing how quickly oxygen levels fall to an unsafe level if you’re wearing a mask. It doesn’t take long! (about two seconds).

https://www.bitchute.com/video/cG2S8pl378Yk/

57820 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Mike Smith, #755 of 1029 🔗

R-i-g-h-t. I will not wear a mask but that video is awful! He takes an ambient reading and then goes straight to the mask wearers! How about about taking a reading from someone’s exhalation who isn’t wearing a mask?! Exhaled air has a higher concentration of CO2! Ridiculous video.
DavidC

57743 IanE, replying to IanE, 10, #756 of 1029 🔗

Currently feeling exceptionally irate. A typical form reply to an email to my MP about the government’s latest ruling on masks. After a standard and very tedious reply, he chose to end with the following text – amounting essentially to a threat! How dare he?! I told him what I think of that, but am having trouble calming down now!

“I should highlight that, in situations where it is mandatory to wear a face covering (including in shops and supermarkets from Friday, 24 th July) under the new rules, should an individual refuse to wear a face covering they could face a fine of up to £100.”

57759 ▶▶ Julian, replying to IanE, 2, #757 of 1029 🔗

My MP has long since given up replying to me. Probably her assitant filters most/all of it out anyway.

57821 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Julian, 3, #758 of 1029 🔗

Mine has gone into hibernation since he fell off the front bench. Apparently he, and his ‘diverse’ staff are taking time out to recover from the trauma of growing up. Slightly.

57761 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to IanE, 3, #759 of 1029 🔗

Sorry: pompous twat!

57768 ▶▶ Paul, replying to IanE, 4, #760 of 1029 🔗

Another MP that is an obnoxious arsehole with complete disdain for their electorate.

57783 ▶▶ Basics, replying to IanE, 1, #761 of 1029 🔗

‘Rules’ – your geezer doesn’t know his/her arse from elbow.

57918 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to IanE, #762 of 1029 🔗

Another one who deserves to be lose his seat. Tosser.

57744 James H, replying to James H, 2, #763 of 1029 🔗

I’ve been invited by the DHSC, Imperial College, and IOSIS MIRI to take part in their “COVID-19 testing research study. (There is a website, reactstudy.org/antigenreg)
Apart from the fact that I have no idea why they would choose me at random (and that I gave a belly-laugh when I saw the Imperial College header) I am uneasy about this.
A genuine question: ought I “volunteer” to take part?
Instinctively I want to set fire to the letter.

57748 ▶▶ IanE, replying to James H, 11, #764 of 1029 🔗

Unless you have a suicide wish (hardly surprising given what is happening in this country), I would personally be very unwilling to let any of their needles within anti-social distancing of my person!

57755 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to IanE, 10, #765 of 1029 🔗

Agree. Avoid like the plague. One wonders whether Hancock is volunteering seen as though he is so keen for everyone to do it

57814 ▶▶▶ James H, replying to IanE, #766 of 1029 🔗

Thank you (and others) for confirming what I thought. I shan’t respond in any form. 👍

57835 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to James H, #767 of 1029 🔗

My friend received one – straight into the shredder it went.

57763 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to James H, #768 of 1029 🔗

set fire to the letter just before you post it through their letterbox and wrap it round a petrol bomb
*Disclaimer* Just “joking”

57905 ▶▶ Lili, replying to James H, #769 of 1029 🔗

Don’t put yourself at risk, James.

57941 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to James H, #770 of 1029 🔗

Suspect you are on a list of people to get rid of.

57998 ▶▶▶ James H, replying to Cecil B, #771 of 1029 🔗

I’m not at all surprised. 🏴‍☠️

57749 Fiat, replying to Fiat, 1, #772 of 1029 🔗

Listening to John Lennon’s Walls & Bridges album. “You don’t know what you got until you lose it”.
Lennon wouldn’t have stood for all this madness.

57758 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Fiat, 1, #773 of 1029 🔗

Dunno, he liked to appear as someone who cared for humanity – at present those types seem to be fuelling the madness.

Are there any famous musicians, or celebrities of any kind, who are known sceptics?

57762 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Julian, 2, #774 of 1029 🔗

I agree Julian, I really can see John & Yoko is masks. Never could understand what Yoko said and a mask wouldn’t make it any easier so maybe not a bad thing.

57873 ▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to bluemoon, #775 of 1029 🔗

Surely Yoko would be wearing a sanitary towel as she did once on Top of the Pops.

57765 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Julian, #776 of 1029 🔗

This has been a major disappointment (to me at least). The lack of loudmouth musicians. Not one of them has piped up. This is despite RATM’s Bullet in the Head describing this EXACT scenario. Your Henry Rollins, Jello Biafra etc of the world…. all schtum

57767 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #777 of 1029 🔗

I was very disappointed that Jello has swallowed the covid cock all the way down to the balls.

57771 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Two-Six, #778 of 1029 🔗

I wasn’t aware of that Two-Six. Thought he had maintained silence. How dispiriting….

57776 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tom Blackburn, #779 of 1029 🔗

Yes, very

57777 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Tom Blackburn, #780 of 1029 🔗

Demographics Tom. People who listen to their music are the ones buying into the muzzling perhaps?

57790 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to bluemoon, #781 of 1029 🔗

Possibly however I feel like zealots have a very close resemblance to the suede/denim secret police Jello talks of

57954 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tom Blackburn, #782 of 1029 🔗

They have come for you UNCOOL niece!

57781 ▶▶▶ Ben Shirley, replying to Julian, 2, #783 of 1029 🔗

I read something a few weeks ago about Howard Donald speaking against face masks and Big Pharma. Who’s Howard Donald, I hear you ask? Someone from Take That.

Yeah, sorry it’s no one cooler. I’d like to have Ian Anderson or Richard Thompson on our side.

57811 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Julian, 2, #784 of 1029 🔗
57816 ▶▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to dpj, #785 of 1029 🔗

The greatest footballer ever – and he’s a sceptic. Joy!

57773 ▶▶ matt, replying to Fiat, 5, #786 of 1029 🔗

John Lennon – much as I like some of his songs – would have been the wokest most virtue signalling bugger of them all if he were still alive today.

57792 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to matt, 1, #787 of 1029 🔗

Agree. He’d be like a souped-up Chris Martin on herbal crack

57823 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Fiat, #788 of 1029 🔗

Imagine there are no borders,
Its not hard to do
Imagine all the people
Living life as one.

Globalist ideal or genuine sentiment

57766 Mike Smith, replying to Mike Smith, 5, #790 of 1029 🔗

I still think the best thing with pro-mask people is to talk about the viral load. Even a very small chance of getting the virus is scary if you think it’s going to kill you, or at least make you very ill. Whereas a very small chance of getting slightly ill, if that, is not scary at all. Immediately shops, cafes etc become places you don’t have to worry about. You only have to worry about people with symptoms who you are close to all the time.

57769 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Mike Smith, 2, #791 of 1029 🔗

Sorry, but I don’t believe many people know what a viral load is. Or what asymptomatic means. They’ve got a symptom of COVID?!!! OMG!!

57786 ▶▶▶ Mike Smith, replying to bluemoon, #792 of 1029 🔗

So explain it!

57800 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to bluemoon, 3, #793 of 1029 🔗

Recent report in the Mail said a third of people questioned didn’t know what any of the Covid symptoms are. They only know that you die of it instantly, aaaargh.

57802 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to annie, 9, #794 of 1029 🔗

Aren’t the symptoms of covid just about anything you want them to be now?

57830 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to annie, #795 of 1029 🔗

Aaaaargh indeed. Sigh.

57945 ▶▶▶▶ Mike Smith, replying to annie, #796 of 1029 🔗

Is that your impression of them dying of it instantly?

57770 Two-Six, 9, #797 of 1029 🔗

Tune for today:
Ordinary World by Duran Duran. This song *almost* made me cry, it might well do that again under the right circumstances.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqIACCH20JU

57774 Brassmonkey, replying to Brassmonkey, 5, #798 of 1029 🔗

I see Boris is still looking poorly, it’s odd that he got so ill given his age and general healthiness. I’d like to see his medical report and find out what they’ve been giving him. I have a strong suspicion that inappropriate treatment landed him in intensive care and now he is a prisoner of the NHS

57780 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Brassmonkey, 1, #799 of 1029 🔗

Lets hope he gets well soon. Really really well.

57782 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 9, #800 of 1029 🔗

Like, sane?

57785 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, 1, #801 of 1029 🔗

something like that, maximum sarcasm applied here.

57793 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Brassmonkey, 5, #802 of 1029 🔗

At the beginning of all this, the NHS were prescribing paracetamol and oxygen only.
Ventilators are now known to have caused lung damage.
The NHS did not use hydroxychloroquine and zinc to treat patients, which are now known to help.

57826 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Lms23, #803 of 1029 🔗

Not according to Horby, who administered Hydroxychloroquine on its own, in large doses, late in infection and then claimed it didn’t work!
(Sarcasm off!)
DavidC

57833 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Brassmonkey, 2, #804 of 1029 🔗

He was/is quite overweight however, which is a risk factor for more severe illness.

57904 ▶▶ Nottingham69, replying to Brassmonkey, #805 of 1029 🔗

He is 5 9 and was 17.5 stone at time of illness. He is a perfect warning sign, if you are late middle age and banging on timber, maybe do something about it. Of course the buffoon still has gym’s forced shut.

58010 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Brassmonkey, #806 of 1029 🔗

He’s supposed to have been on a diet for the last several weeks but he’s still fat.

57775 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 31, #807 of 1029 🔗

Greetings from Prague! Escaped from the UK this afternoon, and I’m happy to report that if you had been in a coma for the last 4 months and just woken up, you wouldn’t notice any difference here. Hardly any masks, no social distancing, very normal indeed. Masks only required on the underground, nowhere else, and nobody seems interested in wearing them.

London should take a leaf out of Prague’s book before it’s too late.

57798 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 2, #808 of 1029 🔗

I will even if London doesn’t….

57857 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #809 of 1029 🔗

Interesting. We were thinking about Prague, now that the government has scuppered our planned holiday in Portugal. What was the airport experience like (already miserable even before bat flu), and the flight? Enjoy your holiday.

58002 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #810 of 1029 🔗

The airport was OK. We didn’t wear any face coverings on the tube to the terminal and nobody questioned it. We had them on when we went into the terminal to check in and go through security then just pulled them down so we could breathe. Saw many staff and passengers doing the same.

The flight was alright, had a drink on the go for most of it so no problem there.

Many shops are now open at the airport, the overall experience was fine, well worth it for a few nights in a more relaxed atmosphere. I don’t think many genuine coronaphobes are flying at the moment.

58047 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #811 of 1029 🔗

Ah, sounds a bit better than I thought it might be. We’re seriously looking at Prague now. Hotel Rot (not that it is – stayed there before 🙂 )

58819 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Tenchy, #812 of 1029 🔗

Yeah it was fine, and everything is seriously normal here! It’s almost unbelievable just walking down the street considering all the weird swerving and diving going on back home.

Sounds good, I can also highly recommend both the Hotel Cosmopolitan and the Art Deco Imperial.

57779 Basics, replying to Basics, 9, #813 of 1029 🔗

Quick shopping update.

Lidl cintinues to be no trouble. Except that being tge only one in the shop you feel like Desperate Dan with everyone looking at your chin. Many people look with jealousy from behind their mask. Its haunting actually and something to prepare for – feels to me like the shop lights are dim. Nice chat at tills.

Post office. Clear instructions given to staff which amount to as normal, don’t care what customers do or don’t wear. Behind the bank side they don’t wear a visor on the shop side they wear a visor. They know the issue about bank vs shop and simply say we aren’t challenging anyone. Only the police can enforce and staff won’t be ever phoning.

It’s a matter of get on with it. Unlikely anyone will confront you. The thing to prepare for is the strangeness of everyone’s expression vacant.

Julian said earlier he wishes he could lie better. That’s a feeling we all perhaps know. But no one has tge right to ask us not to breath oxygen to our fullest ability. Keep it simple.

For anyone interested.
Scottish numbers (This WILL be an underestimate (haha)): 20 July 2020
7 new confirmed cases of COVID-19
0 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive

A total of 323,452 people in Scotland have been tested through NHS Scotland labs and UK Government Labs to date. Of these:

305,000 were confirmed negative
18,452 were positive

This will be an underestimate of the number of cases. Not everyone with the virus will display symptoms and not all those with symptoms will be tested.

Of the people who have tested positive:

4,146 inpatients have been discharged from hospital since 5 March (this is a decrease of one from the previous cumulative total, resulting from ongoing reviews and further analysis of cases by PHS and Health Boards)
299 were in hospital last night: 3 of whom were in intensive care; plus 7 more person in intensive care with suspected COVID-19
2,491 have died

57795 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Basics, 3, #814 of 1029 🔗

Telegraph today….

“Today, Sarah Knapton, our science editor, reveals that official research from April put the potential cost of the lockdown at 200,000 deaths due to delayed healthcare.

57794 annie, replying to annie, 17, #815 of 1029 🔗

Just some thought for food, if the idea of zombying round the supermarkets makes you feel ill:

  1. Click and collect.Book well ahead. Tesco is the most efficient, but also the most popular.
  2. Open air markets.
  3. See if your local corner shop will deliver, or make up a box for you to collect.
  4. The usual takeaway people will all deliver. We find that their portions do us for two meals!
  5. Roadside stalls for fruit, veg, eggs.
  6. Farm shops – often more or less outdoors anyway, and unlikely to be nappy-frantic. Some will deliver.
  7. All sorts of internet companies will deliver anything from specialist ingredients to complete meals.
  8. Amazon sell groceries. OK, nobody really likes this idea, but needs must when the Devil drives, and the Devil is driving now.
  9. Buy lots of drink. Stops many worries.

Hopefully none of the above will prove necessary, but one thing’s for sure, they win’t starve us out!

57834 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to annie, 1, #816 of 1029 🔗

50% of Gousto boxes with the code SAVE1950M. https://www.gousto.co.uk

57839 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to annie, #817 of 1029 🔗

Ocado have delivery slots at the moment though you have to pay £6.99 for delivery.

57917 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to ambwozere, #818 of 1029 🔗

Really? I paid £2.99 on Saturday. (And they emailed out of the blue to say they had slots available.)

57885 ▶▶ matt, replying to annie, 5, #819 of 1029 🔗

My plan:

– I need to do a shop tomorrow, because we’re running low on fresh things. I will go to the greengrocer I’ve used for 15 years (and almost exclusively for fruit and veg since the middle of March), the butcher I’ve used for 15 years (and almost exclusively for meat since the beginning of March) and assuming the owners are in, which they weren’t last Tuesday, I’ll make a point of saying that I won’t be wearing a mask and asking will they serve me after Friday. Ditto the cheese shop and deli next door (run by a very sensible seeming Frenchman). Ditto the Italian Deli near me. If they’re worried about what ather customers will say, I don’t mind that too much – I’m happy to wait till the shop is empty (which it usually is anyway in the middle of a weekday morning..
– I’ll go to The small Marks & Spencer’s up the road on Thursday and thoroughly stock up.
– Store cupboard and freezer stuff goes online from then on. No question and I don’t care if individual supermarkets are going to be nazis about it or not, my business is going to Amazon, not because I have any fondness for Amazon, but because I want to make an absolute point of withdrawing my money from British chains until this nonsense has ended and they start lobbying to end it.
– If the butcher, greengrocer etc are happy to take my money, great. Otherwise p, for fresh stuff, I’ll look at farmdrop or something instead.

I WILL NOT wear a mask. I appreciate that there would be more bravery in going about your usual life and doing it unmasked so that the sheeple can see there is another way and I genuinely don’t give a damn for the idea that I might be shamed on social media (I’m not on social media) or for anyone who wants to take me to task in public, but I’ve come to the conclusion that the only worthwhile protest is going to come from the businesses. Those businesses that are prepared to behave normally are welcome to my cash. Those that aren’t are only ever going to learn the hard way through boycott. Tesco’s gets your money whether you turn up at the shop, or you use click and collect, or you get them to deliver to your home.

But – by the way – I realise I’m very fortunate that I can even consider shifting my shopping to independents to feed a family and that, for cost reasons, not everyone can do this. It’s not going to make life cheaper, but if I can do it, I think I should do it and I judge nobody who can’t.

57900 ▶▶ Lili, replying to annie, #820 of 1029 🔗

I won’t buy from Amazon or any of the big supermarkets who supported BLM. Lidl and Iceland seem sound at the moment but we’re using a small local food delivery company, the greengrocer (boxes out the front) and our nearest outdoor market, ten mins away.

57927 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to annie, 2, #821 of 1029 🔗

Doing click and collect since this madness started,drive in drive out in 2 minutes. Good tips for the rest. I will never wear a face rag, ever

58003 ▶▶ DRW, replying to annie, 1, #822 of 1029 🔗

Our household gets most shopping delivered from a locally-sourcing supplier now. It was mainly a fruit and vegetable market stall but its delivery business has soared lately and I’ve heard its now branching out into meat and dairy. Long may it continue.

I might visit some rural shops though, I expect they won’t be fussed and so deserve some support.

57801 Jonathan Castro, replying to Jonathan Castro, 10, #823 of 1029 🔗

Mask fanatic: “If you don’t wear a mask you could kill people”
Me: “Would you prefer I use a handgun or sword instead?”

57810 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Jonathan Castro, 5, #824 of 1029 🔗

MF: “Do you want to kill people?”
Hoppy:”Well not kill, but maybe give them a resounding slap”

57813 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Jonathan Castro, 8, #825 of 1029 🔗

Mask fanatic: “If you don’t wear a mask you could kill people”
Me: “Bollocks”.

57937 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Tenchy, 1, #826 of 1029 🔗

I would just answer:
You don’t follow the science then? I do.

57992 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tenchy, #827 of 1029 🔗

Yup ! 🙂

57819 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Jonathan Castro, 2, #828 of 1029 🔗

Pity we cam’t do this to them regularly

57921 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jonathan Castro, 1, #829 of 1029 🔗

Third world version:

Mask fanatic: “If you don’t wear a mask you could kill people”
Me: “Would a machete or AK-47 suffice?”

57987 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Jonathan Castro, 2, #830 of 1029 🔗

It’s amazing how somebody with zero symptoms of a deadly disease can now be considered a killer of somebody they may never meet just for breathing.

57812 Ben Shirley, replying to Ben Shirley, 23, #831 of 1029 🔗

I had to drive through Farnham town centre in Surrey today and was appalled to see the new ‘protection’ in place, i.e. barriers in the road to make the road narrower and pavements wider, so bed-wetters can run away from each other more easily, and militant propaganda signs barking at you to be very afraid.

People in London will already be familiar with such sights. Indeed my own local High Street (outer London suburbs) became ‘protected’ around the same time as everywhere else in the county, but what struck me is that Farnham’s town centre would ordinarily look quite pretty, whereas most shopping areas in outer London suburbs aren’t anything special to look at.

The scheme in Farnham, and I understand a similar one has been implemented in Reigate, amounts to nothing more than institutionalised vandalism. How can this be justified when it was being so widely publicised back in May that the risk of transmitting Covid outdoors is virtually nil?

Very little is more important in life than beauty. For rational beings, life without beauty is not worth living. But after our enforced hibernation, we come crawling back into the world to find its beauty boarded up, fenced off and rebranded as a threat to our existence.

The Covid scheme is the ultimate sadism. All the things that make life worthwhile must be stopped, but under no circumstances is anyone allowed to die.

57815 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Ben Shirley, 5, #832 of 1029 🔗

They’re a bit ‘Guardian’ in Farnham. My daughter lives there. She ain’t.

57938 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Ben Shirley, 2, #833 of 1029 🔗

Surrey has idiotic councils. Woking is another one.

58007 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Castro, #834 of 1029 🔗

Kirklees – I despair!

57988 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Ben Shirley, #835 of 1029 🔗

Inverness, Edinburgh and everywhere else. Needs to be done now because by winter people woukdnt stand for it. Choke the roads get people out of their cars save saint greta, c19 is just the excuse the UN 2030 plans needed.

58006 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ben Shirley, #836 of 1029 🔗

What struck me was that Bloris said we could cut the social distancing down to 1m – which is pretty standard between strangers anyway. It’s since then that the councils have narrowed the rods to “facilitate social distancing” on wider pavements. It’s causing vehicular chaos in some towns!

57817 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 10, #837 of 1029 🔗

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-mexico/
Look in Daily New Cases . New Mexico has had mandatory mask in public spaces since May 14th.The same picture in Los Angeles ,Poland. Best article today about evidence for masks (rather non evidence) ishttps://coronavirusbellcurve.com/science-and-common-sense-in-the-debate-about-masks/
Remember that until autumn 2019 there was no evidence for lockdown nor any evidence masks were effective among the mainstream epidemiologists, WHO, ECDC. China introduced lockdown in January and Big Pharma quickly imposed it almost everywhere.
Mask is pure politics. From March when only 10 countries mandated masks now 130.Japan has tradition of masks since Spanish flu 1918. Masks can only stop, partly, massive spread from a symptomatic patient but can never stop spread of the virus. Japan has not abolished flu in fact a few years ago a severe flu outbreak. It is impossible to stop a spread of a respiratory virus. Never happened before in mankind. Nothing has changed from the PHE advice in the Swine flu outbreak 2009, wash your hands, blow your nose, use paper handkerchief and bin it. Mitigate. The only difference is that Big Pharma this time around is in full control of the handling of the pandemic.

57981 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to swedenborg, 3, #838 of 1029 🔗

Why do people think this? Big pharma isn’t going to do well from the economic fall out from this.
who do you think pays for drug company profits? Mostly US companies through Employee insurance plans. That’s where pharma companies make their best money. But if tons of people lose their jobs because of idiotic lockdown policies, they lose insurance coverage. In which case they have no way to buy medicine or have to rely on government programmes like Medicaid that have much lower pricing. Pharma will be hurt by this – not as much as travel and leisure sectors admittedly, but hurt nonetheless.

And if you can make a vaccine…well, great. But not all pharma companies are vaccines companies.

58039 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Sophie123, 1, #839 of 1029 🔗

https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1284940146970853377
Interesting short video showing the enormous profit of Big Pharma of the Covid-19 pandemic.Most of the SAGE group have connections to Big Pharma. I think Hancock has also connections with Big Pharma and many in government circles.Who is going to profit from fear mongering, mask wearing, closed schools and continuing hyped up reporting in BBC/MSM?Vaccines are profitable especially if mandatory.No advertising costs done by MSM/BBC.Indemnity covered by the government like in swine flu pandemic. Expensive treatment the best for Big Pharma and supress any cheap treatment which they have done constantly.Almost all involved in the pandemic response in the US have connections with Big Pharma. Total public health response to the pandemic totally missing(see cancer crisis,mental health,starvation in Africa etc),The biggest scandal ever.

57818 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 22, #840 of 1029 🔗

Today I had a good example of what we are up against.

Went to the village chemist to pick-up the wife’s repeat prescription. It’s a small place and has the post office in it as well and fits at best 4 people at the best of times without rubbing elbows.

The pharmacist assistant was behind the counter wearing a mask. She was panting heavily and above the mask looked pale and ill.

Asked if she was OK.

Reply – I’m asthmatic and cannot breathe.

Me – Why wear a mask? You are exempt.

Reply – because it’s a small space.

Me – but your are asthmatic plus it is causing you distress so you are exempt

Reply – but it’s a small space

Me – but you are exempt on 2 counts plus it is now aggravating your conditions and making you anxious so you have 3 exemptions so take it off

Reply – but it’s a small space

Me – the mask law doesn’t start until Friday and you will still be exempt on at least 2 counts

Reply – but it’s a small space

At this point I decided discretion is the best part of valour before I started getting angry and to retire with the bag of pills.

57828 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #841 of 1029 🔗

Sorry to say this but she sounded like a parrot just repeating the same “reason” over and over again. Not to mention that I’m wondering if she’s forced to wear it by management which if that is the case is negligence on the part of the employer not to make reasonable adjustments to someone who is clearly exempt.

57829 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #842 of 1029 🔗

Yep, no independent thought, no questioning, nothing.

And she is “medical” staff.

We’ve got an uphill struggle ahead of us.

57924 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #843 of 1029 🔗

Indeed we do. As I have learned last week to my sadness.

57950 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #844 of 1029 🔗

Yep mental I went to Sainsburies to do OUR LAST SHOP £300 of stuff. A young woman walked in blue face nappy, gloves, two young guys, one very beardy no mask his mate, very sporty, black mask that was way too big for him, two young ladies blue masks, a few normal people one lady in her 60’s no masks. It was too hard to watch, I literally had to not look.

57934 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #845 of 1029 🔗

KZ Guard material.
They all are.

57986 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Awkward Git, #846 of 1029 🔗

At some point somebody may end up dying wearing a mask and they’ll become a martyr.

58071 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, #847 of 1029 🔗

*be considered a martyr

57824 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 4, #848 of 1029 🔗

Have a look at these graphs from the government:

https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/

Now can someone explain to me why the hysteria over Wuhan Lab Flu is getting worse, not better?

57841 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Tenchy, 2, #849 of 1029 🔗

Why are 143 still in ‘mechanical ventilator beds’ when it is widely known as the wrong treatment regime? Are they perhaps ‘with Covid’ and another condition?

57845 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 1, #850 of 1029 🔗

Looking at the testing page, we also now have pillars 3 & 4 as the other 2 clearly weren’t providing enough cases:

https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/testing

57920 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Sarigan, #851 of 1029 🔗

Positive tests as % of tests carried out – almost the only meaningful stat IMO. Positive tests as a number is meaningless.

57843 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tenchy, #852 of 1029 🔗

Typical mass hysteria. I think we saw that on the comments section of the Standard last night, lol.

57825 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #853 of 1029 🔗

Going through my “record” collection this evening and thought these ones are relevant for today:

Nickelback Edge of a Revolution https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYnuSsM7tRw

Meatloaf In the land of the pigs the butcher is king https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-SLN3whXW0

Lynyrd Skynyrd – Still unbroken https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMfzZxIt9bA

57890 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #854 of 1029 🔗

Jobseeker – Sleaford mods

57955 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, #855 of 1029 🔗

California Uber Alles-Dead Kennedys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIqESwzCGg4

Jello ran for governor of California, I went to see him do a spoken word tour in Amsterdam, the MelkVech

57958 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, #856 of 1029 🔗

If we are doing a music round, try this one. My drown out the NHS clapping tune of choice.
CRASS Big A Little A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apQQAYJZKLc
Probably my favourite tune of all time ever and will be played at my funeral, probably.

This is the guy behind Crass, Penny Rimbaud, that’s my comment below, looks like extinction rebellion left or the 77th left me a comment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2FHsjZ9IK4

57837 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #857 of 1029 🔗

http://www.int-soc-clin-geriat.com/info/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Dr.-Lees-paper-on-testing-for-SARS-CoV-2.pdf

“New peer-reviewed paper by Sin Hang Lee of the Milford Molecular Diagnostics Laboratory. He analyzed state of Connecticut PCR reference samples and found 2 true positives among 10 reference negatives and 3 true negatives among 10 reference positives.
Gives you confidence in the current mass testing?

57931 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to swedenborg, 2, #858 of 1029 🔗

The inventor of the method has already stated that it was never designed for testing, but for production.
The German virologist who came up with the test has a similar track record like Ferguson, became a professor without a proper habilitation and has a huge conflict of interest here in light of his longstanding cooperation and friendship with the boss of the company that rakes in millions with these tests currently.

And even these two admit a 1.4% failure rate of their test, which is obviously ignored, or, more likely, used deliberately by the government to keep the population panicked and muzzled.
Merkels’s lap dogs Braun and Altmaier have stated that masks might be done away with if total new infections in the country fall below 100 a day, which means that as long as they test just 8.000 people each day, they are assured of this number even if the virus had disappeared completely.
And that testing is now being rolled out for free and for anyone, ideally (mandatorily) everyone and regularly.
It should be obvious why really.

57840 Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #859 of 1029 🔗

Tobias Elwood is another who has notes or support behind the camera. I wonder if whips will stand in some of these webcam interviews steering answers.

57964 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 1, #860 of 1029 🔗

You can often tell from eye movements (watch with the sound off, as you notice all sorts of things that the talking distracts you from)!

57985 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #861 of 1029 🔗

I find Tobias doesnt need the sound turning off he has such a disingenuous manner i automatically shut down listening. Yes, there is a lot going on in the rooms of these web cams – even possible second screens with think tank advisers steering answers.

57989 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 2, #862 of 1029 🔗

with think tank advisers steering answers waving a cattle prod.

57842 Mike Smith, replying to Mike Smith, #863 of 1029 🔗
57844 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Mike Smith, 2, #864 of 1029 🔗

Sinister = the new normal

57858 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Mike Smith, #865 of 1029 🔗

Yep, seen that – by Piers Morgan’s other half.

It’s clear where this is going.

57867 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Mike Smith, 2, #866 of 1029 🔗

Vaxxers the spelling is a phsycological trick in itself. XX it looks negative bad wrong agressively.

57902 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mike Smith, #867 of 1029 🔗

Fuelled by social media ……they privilege witchcraft-like whimsy over fact. And they may be OK with being labelled conspiracy theorists.

…..what differentiates adults from children is our ability to assimilate all the information out there – the historical facts, science and statistics – and use those things, along with our logic, to form intelligent judgements.

So anti-vaxxers are not forming intelligent judgement based on facts?

She should be pilloried!

57907 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #868 of 1029 🔗

Some of the comments are brilliant though! here’s one:

Coming to a doctor’s surgery near you – a police van bringing a load of handcuffed anti-vaxers for their compulsory jab.

Welcome to Britain, the home of democracy and personal liberty.

History is absolutely littered with examples of minorities proving to be wiser than majorities. Often enough the minority numbers a single individual.

People like the author have hounded the non-conformist for millennia. Officious, self-righteous, far too certain of themselves. The bane of thinking people’s lives.

58034 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mike Smith, 2, #869 of 1029 🔗

Interesting how this theme is emerging from the induced chaos and hysteria.

Only a second’s reflection is needed to see what a fraud the argument is, given the mildness of the disease except for the multiply vulnerable population (who have been notably neglected by the teary crocodiles over the last few months as the health services shut down).

Then there is the absurdity of the idea of rushing out a novel vaccine, anyway, without a lengthy process of RCT trialling and examination of long-term effects. We aren’t talking about the sort of infectivity and seriousness that warrants short-cuts as a desperate measure.

The stench of corruption grows.

57848 Mark, replying to Mark, 22, #870 of 1029 🔗

Opinion: Where is the grief over COVID-19 victims?
The real modern pandemic: sentimentalism. Here, an example of it at its worst. Dishonest, manipulative, virtue signalling. TV and now social; media have enabled a basic human flaw (vulnerability to exploitation in this way) to be hugely exacerbated

The depths of sentimentalism to which the UK in particular has fallen in the tv age were first illustrated for me by the gross, disgusting national performance over the death of Diana Spencer in 1997. Today, few major news stories involving death in any form are complete without a revolting display of faux feeling and an attempt to create manipulative public performances to pressure people into publicly signalling approval. Where the political goals require it, outright dishonesty will be employed, as with the mainstream media pretence that George Floyd was a “gentle giant”, or that late teenage thugs who fall victim to the consequences of their own thuggery are “children”.

The way I look at these things is that every single day, on average, around 4000 people that we (usually) don’t know, die violently around the world, and in the case of disease deaths, tens of thousands. Most of those, one way or the other, are tragedies to the individuals concerned or their families. For any of us to fall into deep emotional sadness over any selected minority of those deaths represents a choice on our part. We always have the choice to pay them no great mind, as we do, perforce, the vast majority of them. Those who try to draw particular cases to our attention, are trying to manipulate us, usually for political reasons. It’s up to us whether we allow ourselves to be manipulated in that way, but regardless it is profoundly wrong to criticise as somehow heartless or lacking in humanity, those who decline to be manipulated in this way. In fact, the virtuous approach is to resist this kind of manipulation

In this case, the writer is trying to manipulate us into treating one, not particularly exceptionally large, group of respiratory virus deaths as especially upsetting, in order to try to manoeuvre us into complying with the global coronapanic.

57850 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Mark, 2, #871 of 1029 🔗

What can I say except ‘Yup’?!

DavidC

57919 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, #872 of 1029 🔗

Indeed. To what should we attribute this? Insufficient true suffering in the lives of people living in rich, peaceful countries?

I’d rather compete with a planet full of unapologetically selfish people than with people who pretend to be unselfish but are nothing of the sort, who get their kicks from screwing up other people’s lives and who don’t seem to have much idea of what life is all about.

57983 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Mark, 3, #873 of 1029 🔗

One of our national newspapers here in Canada printed a retrospective today on some of the people we’ve lost to Covid. Two were migrants farm workers from Mexico and most of the rest were over 70. Not to take away from any death, but a) do we print these stories every flu season when thousands die?, and b) will we see a similar story on all the people who die from not getting their cancer treatment, heart surgery, etc. I did write a comment in the comments section to this effect and stated we won’t see the latter kind of story because it doesn’t fit the narrative.

58028 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, 2, #874 of 1029 🔗

disgusting national performance over the death of Diana Spencer in 1997.”

An interesting parallel.

I remember it well, because my wife had died suddenly earlier that year, and I had two children to continue bringing up – so I understood the real issues and emotions at first hand.

I clearly remember watching in disbelief as the histrionic display of emotion unfolded in a weird and disturbing way. It made me very aware of the openness of crowds to hysteria through suggestion – and, yes, we are seeing something similarly plastic and manipulated now, with fear as the key this tie round.

57851 Hammer Onats, replying to Hammer Onats, 17, #875 of 1029 🔗

I am watching Panorama just now on the Biased Broadcasting Corporation. I have had to switch off otherwise the TV will be wrecked by the stuff I throw at it. Suffice to say, it’s a parade of the usual suspects: Ferguson, Richard, Navarro, King and others. Not a skeptic to be seen. The BBC is a fucking disgrace and I really, really hope they are defunded or the licence fee is decriminalised.

57863 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Hammer Onats, 1, #876 of 1029 🔗

Would prison be too harsh for some of them?

57892 ▶▶▶ Hammer Onats, replying to Julian, 2, #877 of 1029 🔗

In less enlightened countries they would be swinging from lampposts by now.

57912 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Julian, 1, #878 of 1029 🔗

Wouldn’t be harsh enough.

57871 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Hammer Onats, 1, #879 of 1029 🔗

and with sombre background music … just to increase the tension. followed by a government test and trace advert
I just caught Ferguson – and wondered what the f*ck they are using him for – as he is totally discredited

57894 ▶▶▶ Hammer Onats, replying to mjr, 1, #880 of 1029 🔗

Exactly what I thought – all the dramatic tricks in the book.

57877 ▶▶ Brian D, replying to Hammer Onats, 1, #881 of 1029 🔗

It was almost a parody of itself…they even kept having that poisonous black image creeping across the screen virus like…

57896 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hammer Onats, #882 of 1029 🔗

You can cancel it any time!

57939 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Hammer Onats, 2, #883 of 1029 🔗

The BBC are just totally EVIL ON STEROIDS. The bastards. If you work for them you have no moral compass, you should be ashamed of yourself. AN utter disgrace. I will never watch or listen to ANYTHING THEY PUT OUT EVERY AGAIN. ITS JUST POISON.

57852 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #884 of 1029 🔗

DERMOT Sky news guest Beate Knafman(?) Wow!

Dermot asks about safety of vaccines given the shortened timeframes. Beate says hes absolutely right especially so because the kinds of vaccine being developed are new kinds of vaccines – RNA and so on. [There’s never been a vaccine against cirona virus] Beate then says because it is all so new it will be absolutely right to record any issues as we go forward over tgen next 4, 5, 6 years so that we learn.

Regardless of what comes in 2021 you will be a guinea pig who’s subsequent health matters will feed into research about the effects of the corona vaccine.

Dermot interview at about 19.30 pm bst. Sky news.

57889 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, #885 of 1029 🔗

She’s been on Sky before – very good. She’s at The Vaccine Centre (note she used to be at ICL – did she fall out with anyone I wonder?

https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/aboutus/people/kampmann.beate

57899 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #886 of 1029 🔗

Thats her. Quite comfortable with releasing an improperly tested suite of vaccines on the public so long as the negative outcomes are tightly recorded. Not for me thank you. But yes, a better communicator that tge one with glasses kate something the hedgefund manager come uk gov vaccine guru “its only money you lose by buying billions of completely unknown vaccines so don’t worry”.

It must be quite a thing to know all these players and their back stories.

57915 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, #887 of 1029 🔗

Married to Jesse Norman, MP, (son of Torquil Norman, founder of Bluebird Toys). Daughter of the former Lord Bingham, educated at St Paul’s Girls School, then Christ Church College, Oxford (Biochemistry, Ist).

57923 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #888 of 1029 🔗

Its like a talking version of wikipedia!

57929 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 2, #889 of 1029 🔗

And of course the Track & Trace adviser, Dido Harding, is married to another Tory MP, John Penrose. Conflicts of interest?

57935 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #890 of 1029 🔗

Its a web isnt it a complete network eniterly removed from genuine health care.

Could you offer up a family tree to Toby?

57942 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, #891 of 1029 🔗

Pretty sure he knows three of them, and how they are linked to others in the wider network from his Oxford days.

57980 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #892 of 1029 🔗

He might but the world needs a diagram!

57956 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #893 of 1029 🔗

And then you’ve got Dido being in charge and covering up one of the biggest hacks ever at TalkTalk. Makes a complete botch up at one company but then just walks into another high profile job!

57959 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to JohnB, 1, #894 of 1029 🔗

I know, you couldn’t make it up, but then again, when you take disease modelling advice from ICL…..

57853 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 1, #895 of 1029 🔗

Cruise and Maritime cruise line collapsed:

https://www.ttgmedia.com/news/breaking-news/cruise–maritime-voyages-enters-administration-24065

“ceased trading with immediate effect and its international sales offices in Australia, France, the United States and TransOcean Kreuzfahrten in Germany have also ceased trading.”

I do not know how many jobs but it will be a lot.

57936 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sarigan, 1, #896 of 1029 🔗

Good! just think of all that horrible carbon those cruise ships pump out. If the life of ONE DOLPHIN is saved it’s worth it.

58014 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Two-Six, #897 of 1029 🔗

DLM….

57859 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 19, #898 of 1029 🔗

6 days in the High Peak – I hope this cheers a few people up.

Wednesday: The hairdresser re-opened and my husband had his number 0 and beard trim with no mask and she didn’t wear a visor. She will wear it if the terrified come in (we saw her in it on Saturday along with 2 very miserable-looking old ladies waiting in muzzles) but otherwise, business very nearly normal.

Thursday in a small shop: asked the owner if she’d enforce masks. She said she had no intention and then treated me to her views on the plandemic which were very similar to mine i.e. totally sceptical. I also chatted to my neighbour who is not a sceptic but who is not at all happy. She told me a local chemist requires its staff to put their masks in a box at the end of each day and after a week they have to wear them again because they have become ‘safe’. Could you make this up?

Friday in the Coop. Asked the mask exemption question. The woman didn’t know Coop policy but then told me what a load of bollox it all is, has no doubt about the politics of it all and she is really pissed off at staff being made to wear them as she’s asthmatic. I showed her my exemption card and she’s very keen to get her own. She didn’t give a stuff about the 2 idiot virtue-signallers in ‘designer’ muzzles waiting behind me and neither did I.

Saturday. Booked to have breakfast in a local cafe next week. Seems to be free of stuff and nonsense so looking forward to it! Also had a brief chat with the total LS who runs a restaurant where we’re going to take our daughter for a 40th birthday meal in September.

Sunday. Daughter and grandson (9) arrived to find Grandma in tears because I’d just read a very harrowing article in OffG about the deaths in care-homes which left me feeling like a 1930s ‘Good German’. ‘Recovered from that with profuse apologies and we had a lovely day hiking in the hills. Not one mask in sight and lots of happy young people linking arms and taking our photo and vice versa. Our daughter’s scientist friend works for PHE. She wrote a paper on the uselessness of masks and she’s been told to re-write it to say the opposite.

Monday: Husband went to a shop with a 1-at-a-time rule. 2 people waiting outside so he asked the manager – another total sceptic – if he’d let them in. He said it’s OK, they’re NHS. Well it seems they were, but not as we currently know it!. They are full-on sceptics, told my husband the hospitals are half-empty and there’s nothing going on. Apparently they have given the manager loads more dirt so we’ll get some more from him and pass it on!

I’m sure Friday onwards will be a zombie-fest round here but it has helped us tremendously to realise there’s a few cracks appearing. If supermarkets won’t accept our exemption or we get hassle we’ll follow Annie’s example. We’ll have to go online for hard-to-find-groceries and spend as much time out in the countryside as possible.

57864 ▶▶ Lili, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #899 of 1029 🔗

That sounds very heartening. What part of the Englabd are you in?

57868 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Lili, #900 of 1029 🔗

North West.

57891 ▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #901 of 1029 🔗

The down to earth north. I guessed as much.

57883 ▶▶ Ben Shirley, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #902 of 1029 🔗

Lots of good news there. Your daughter sounds like she’s got some pretty damning evidence right there. Any chance she might be persuaded to write an article for LS or Spiked? Under a pseudonym, naturally.

57887 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Ben Shirley, 1, #903 of 1029 🔗

Hi, it’s a friend of our daughter’s but I’ll ask.

57910 ▶▶ Bella, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #904 of 1029 🔗

If they won’t accept your exemption tell them you’ll sue them for discrimination against disability.

58016 ▶▶ RickH, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #905 of 1029 🔗

Our daughter’s scientist friend works for PHE. She wrote a paper on the uselessness of masks and she’s been told to re-write it to say the opposite.”

So the fairy stories sussed out by the CEBM team are part of a pattern?

Quelle surprise!

57861 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #907 of 1029 🔗

Can someone put it on Simon Dolan’s twitter please?

I don’t have an account.

57862 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #908 of 1029 🔗

They obviously need bigger masks

57866 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Julian, 4, #909 of 1029 🔗

or to stop calling positive tests ‘cases’?

57928 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #910 of 1029 🔗

If another casual acquaintance says to me “oh, there are a lot of cases in X today” I might just punch them. These are people with 120+ IQs with access to information who just read shit in the news and parrot it out and move on with their lives, and contribute to screwing up the planet. They deserve everything they get, but I don’t. I should be punished for other sins, but not mental and moral hebetude.

57901 ▶▶ kbeanie, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #911 of 1029 🔗

Just put it on his Twitter 👍🏻

57914 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Awkward Git, #912 of 1029 🔗

Wow, Newsom sounds crazed.

57966 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #913 of 1029 🔗

They’ll either claim that not enough people are wearing masks or it would have been much worse without them.

57976 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #914 of 1029 🔗

Exactly right and the sign of an incoherent argument. I’m expecting the same thing in my county — the mask mandate came in last Friday and we had zero cases here and no more than a handful since the start of this (zero deaths). And yet even though there were no cases, if asked the authorities will spout the same nonsense that the masks will prevent cases or we got to zero (from one case the day before) because of masks. We can’t win with these hysterics.

58056 ▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #915 of 1029 🔗

I think the Governor has already instructed _MORE_ mask wearing is in order, rather than accepting they clearly arent having any positive effect and so roll back the ridiculous infringement on peoples rights.

57869 Julian, replying to Julian, #916 of 1029 🔗

Sorry, being thick here, any idea how to insert an image without getting an error saying the input is too large?

57874 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Julian, #917 of 1029 🔗

Have you signed in? I have found adding images works best when signed in.

57922 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Sarigan, #918 of 1029 🔗

Thanks for that. In the end the option I needed to choose was “attach as an image to this comment” – bottom right icon in the input box. Rather than pasting it in to the body of the comment.

57878 Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #919 of 1029 🔗

Sky news footage showing the human trials being jabbd for the trial vaccine from Oxford Uni. Each human trial was slim, young one 45 max others 25-35. All notucably healthy in appearance.

57888 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Basics, 5, #920 of 1029 🔗

It wouldn’t surprise me if the whole thing was just theatre for the masses.

57906 ▶▶ GetaGrip, replying to Basics, 5, #921 of 1029 🔗

Sounds like the right target group for the vaccine.
Maybe just need to splice it with some valium and they’ll finally relax enough to get back to work.

57952 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 1, #922 of 1029 🔗

They have to be that way for Stage 1 trials. It because they will have the best chance of surviving any side effects.

Other ages, those with different BMIs, and those who have tested positive for C19 will be part of Stage 2 and 3 trials.

57957 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to JohnB, 1, #923 of 1029 🔗

They are also running trials in South Africa, Brazil and India (?) so that should cover various ethnicities and different genetic profiles.

57978 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #924 of 1029 🔗

I didn’t hear India but there is a third country. The USA is going to have a British trial, possibly Oxfords trial or maybe another.

57974 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to JohnB, 1, #925 of 1029 🔗

Gotcha. Would not like to have a underlying condition with this on the horizon.

57880 Linda B, #926 of 1029 🔗

I am completely opposed to masks – but did not know about this protest – where is the information where and when they are taking place?

57895 Sarigan, #927 of 1029 🔗

It’s from the beginning of it all and has a bit of a virtue signalling message but funny nonetheless:

Covid Rhapsody – https://youtu.be/8KPbJ0-DxTc

57898 tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 3, #928 of 1029 🔗
57932 ▶▶ Sceptic, replying to tonyspurs, #929 of 1029 🔗

Very funny thanks for the link!

57903 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 6, #930 of 1029 🔗

This is what we are up against:

https://twitter.com/MichaelVinsen/status/1284773819350163458

A new one I heard today – Mask it or casket! FFS

57908 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Sarigan, 6, #931 of 1029 🔗

And this disgraceful article from Mrs Piers Morgan:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/anti-vaxxers-selfish-lives-shouldnt-put-conspiracy-theorists/

They have certainly got the attack dogs on the comments section, which are not exactly supportive of her fluff piece!

57944 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #932 of 1029 🔗

An absolute piece of shit. Unbelievable. To go with a few other pieces of shit from the Telegraph recently. I thought the muzzle etiquette article of a few days ago was about as low as they dared go, hopefully the nadir of Telegraph sucking up to No 10 – but this is worse.

And about what you’d expect from Mrs Piers Morgan.

57951 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to TJN, 1, #933 of 1029 🔗

I thought this was her killer comment:

‘what differentiates adults from children is our ability to assimilate all the information out there – the historical facts, science and statistics – and use those things, along with our logic, to form intelligent judgements. It’s called informed consent, and it can take a moment. Anti-vaxxers of any kind, however – from the 14 per cent identified in this survey, to the estimated 7.4 per cent and rising in the UK (that’s one in 30)’ – perhaps she didn’t have the calculator to hand when she tried out percentages! … until I read this:

‘if the plan is to kill us all off, why wouldn’t the government be letting a virus that has already successfully eliminated 6 million people worldwide’ – but she can’t even read numbers off a website!

58019 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #934 of 1029 🔗

6 million is an echo from the past. Isn’t that a very interesting mistake to make. Isnt that a dearly crooked way to chase a message secretly into the synapses of the population. An echo from the past…

58112 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #935 of 1029 🔗

It takes a rare combination of arrogance and ignorance to write an article like that. Perhaps her husband lent a hand.

57999 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #936 of 1029 🔗

Lots of comments on the piece – almost all negative (including mine!).
Long may she keep writing – crap journalism makes the case less arguable.

57997 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to Sarigan, #937 of 1029 🔗

I think the most depressing thing about that is the amount of replies saying ‘brilliant’ and ‘genius’, it highlights just how low the bar is for these people. It’s no wonder they lap up the propaganda when they consider this genius.

58037 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Mark II, #938 of 1029 🔗

Couldn’t agree more. Utterly depressing

57925 Brian D, replying to Brian D, 4, #939 of 1029 🔗

And just when you thought it couldn’t get any sillier … er actually no-one thinks that now … The Telegraph is reporting this:

New rules from England Athletics will see female runners banned from participating in 5km competitions as their slower race times mean they stay in contact with other runners for too long.

In the reading it appears it is top level competition they’re talking of so we’re not even talking parkrun but as men can run the 5k under 15 minutes and apparently women can’t they will spend more time around their competitors so will obviously breathe all over each other etc. They’ll be allowed to race shorter distances though.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/19/woman-told-cannot-run-5k-races-will-contact-others-long/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=CampaignMonitor_Editorial&utm_campaign=LNCH%20%2020200720%20%20Lloyds%20%20SM+CID_2c153324104ee560a1188435f9cf4068

57933 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Brian D, 2, #940 of 1029 🔗

Surely genderist by croni. I want the job of timing corona transfering from one athelete to another while in long distance run. Sounds to me like a job for algebra. I imagine you would also need a pub, a lot of boredom and a lack of education to do the calculations justice. I have them all.

I wonder if women promise to breathe every second breath racing could commence.

I joke, but the deliberate nonsense of their rules is an attack on our minds. Give me a more plausible answer.

57949 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Brian D, 2, #941 of 1029 🔗

Isn’t the answer to this to take more steroids, then they will easily be under 15 minutes!

58025 ▶▶ jrsm, replying to Brian D, #942 of 1029 🔗

I suppose someone who can run 5k in close to 15 minutes is certainly not dying of COVID, and so is extremely unlikely to spread it?

57940 Mark Wayne, replying to Mark Wayne, 10, #943 of 1029 🔗

To add to Toby’s Italy update from yesterday: I’ve just arrived in Calabria with my wife and son and it’s great. Some signs up but minimal covid measures – apart from there being barely any other foreigners it feels pretty normal. Teenagers flirting, tables full, everyone happy. Unless you go to a bigger shop almost all do not wear masks. Would definitely recommend! Certainly more than Spain which sounds like a covid measures hellhole at the moment.

57953 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Mark Wayne, 4, #944 of 1029 🔗

It is. Both sons are there at the moment and everyone is wearing masks. You don’t have to when eating/drinking at a restaurant but have to put the mask on when you go to the bathroom. You don’t mess with the Guardia Civil (remember Barcelona referendum protests).

58048 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #945 of 1029 🔗

Hmm. When 70.000 Scousers took over central Madrid last year, we had very few problems. 🙂

57943 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 23, #946 of 1029 🔗

Anyone feel like they are losing it. The thought of rags blocking mouths and noses is horrendous, think I have a real phobia. Why are they doing it, how are all the politicians in the world, complicit. How has the Pharma industry got such a hold??

57947 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Dan Clarke, 18, #947 of 1029 🔗

I’ve also felt unsettled and upset the past few days at the thought of it. No need for all this nonsense.

57963 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to watashi, 8, #948 of 1029 🔗

I think its partly because we don’t know what’s going on. The mortality rates are low worldwide but they are ruining lives and economies and no one seems able to stop it. Who are the people with so much power?

57972 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #949 of 1029 🔗

I believe calling it torture helps. Give it a name and understand what it is takes some of its power.
https://youtu.be/3yk3xezML8Q
Is a step by step look at the mechanics of this torture. It is uplifting towards the very end, honest!

I’ve shared the link before here several times. I hope it is helpful.

57977 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Basics, 1, #950 of 1029 🔗

Thanks I’ll look at that. Its a new feeling for me, never having had a job or anything where I’ve needed my face covered. I’m booking shopping and don’t intend going anywhere if a mask is required

58043 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dan Clarke, #951 of 1029 🔗

Sigh. Little green aliens from Alpha Centauri …

58041 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to watashi, 1, #952 of 1029 🔗

There will be some unusual and possibly unsettling vibrations emanating from people wearing masks, who underneath feel the same way we do.

57970 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #953 of 1029 🔗

I think I have a phobia as well. Not being able to breathe properly is very disconcerting to me (to say the least) and seeing people all around me wearing them gets me very anxious and agitated. The closest I have ever been to feeling anything remotely like this is being stuck in a middle seat of an airplane for too long — but that’s “only” a physical issue and not a psychological one. I’ve been ordering more online and my husband is willing to spare me by going out and doing the shopping. I’ve also moved from our city place to our country home on 60 acres so I don’t need to be around other people. This county was great until they mandated muzzles last Friday, a day which registered ZERO cases. There had been one active case for a while, and now we’re down to zero which somehow they’ll spin as a “masks are a miracle” story. So I feel for you and just want you to know you’re not the only one who feels like they’re losing it!

57979 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 5, #954 of 1029 🔗

Thanks Lisa, it does help to know about all of those who feel the same, its a sort of claustrophobia, but worse, having something clamped over your face doesnt bear thinking about.

57982 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 7, #955 of 1029 🔗

I find it so sad that people wear them, they are totally useless and will make people ill. Covering up your face is just totally anti-human, what it does to inter personal communication is devastating. It totally kills me these people are just….insane. literally.

57984 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #956 of 1029 🔗

Nothing to do with your Dear Leader’s spot of trouble?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-trudeau-a-no-show-in-house-after-saying-he-would-answer-questions/

Of course, our own Dear Leader is not out of the woods yet:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52755473

Guys like this won’t waste a crisis, nor will their handlers allow them to!

57990 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #957 of 1029 🔗

That’s not all of our dear leader’s trouble. He’s also got himself tied up with another self-dealing scandal. But of course nobody’s all that concerned about corruption or the suspension of parliament because they’re too busy wetting themselves over the virus and virtue-signalling by depriving their brains of oxygen!

58038 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #958 of 1029 🔗

Wayhay ! 60 acres ! We can all go and live at Lisa’s place. 🙂

58040 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to JohnB, -2, #959 of 1029 🔗

30 of those acres will be full of grizz and the other 30 full of fear….

Jealousy talking!

58053 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Basics, #960 of 1029 🔗

It’s been my sanity. If I’m going to be caged like an animal, I can’t complain about my cage! We’ve got hiking trails so I’m trying to stay in shape and get lots of fresh air. No bears, but lots of deer. July is my least favourite month because of the insects, but I’ll take insects over sheeple any day.

58121 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #961 of 1029 🔗

It sounds likexan ideal we all woukd like. Two thumbs down don’t understand dry humour. I would be very at home putting up a smudge and enjoying the tranquility.

58049 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to JohnB, 1, #962 of 1029 🔗

No muzzles allowed and no social distancing!

58099 ▶▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #963 of 1029 🔗

I feel the same Lisa. I nearly drowned some years ago and a mask somehow gives me the same feeling. My adrenaline goes through the roof, heart hammers, and I get really panicky. At a push I can just about use a bandana, but I have to fly this week which will mean using a full mask whether I like it or not. I’ve checked with the airline – Jet2. I’m already in a cold sweat at the thought of a mask for hours in the air. As if flying isn’t stressful enough at the moment. I can only imagine what the energies at the airport are going to feel like too – sinister, helpless, uptight.

57973 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to Dan Clarke, 14, #964 of 1029 🔗

Yes, after my dog had to be put down and had a panic attack and screamed at the masked vet, that was me over the edge. I then proceeded to get very drunk on red wine twice in a week, and then gave myself a slap. I’ve turned off the news, radio etc. I scan the papers, check in here and I’ve installed an app on my pc that blocks social media and unistalled apps on my phone. I spent the whole day outside yesterday strimming nettles, looking after our menagerie of animals and pulling ragwort (toxic weed to horses). I’ve been going to bed early, getting up at six, walking the dog, reading, doing a guided meditation, and now feel semi sane. It’s my contempt that is doing me in, I am just disgusted with it all, felt like I was going round the bend.

57994 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to BecJT, 2, #965 of 1029 🔗

Good work, Bec.
Gotta look after yourself first before you can give support to the rest of us!

PS – only drunk twice in a week shows severe self-discipline in these times 😊

58100 ▶▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to BecJT, #966 of 1029 🔗

I’m like you Bec. I have horses, some sheep and a couple of goats on my own smallholding and they are my saviours. I don’t watch live tv or the news or listen to radio. I watch only Prime or Netflix. I spend my time on my land with my animals. I come on this website to feel sane and to know I’m not alone, but I have been losing it mentally. I get so depressed and tearful at what the world has become over a stupid virus. I can hardly believe it. I have a cabin on the smallholding and stay there as much as I can.

58158 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to BecJT, #967 of 1029 🔗

Another horse person here! I was at an event last weekend – horse fell and needed to be attended to by vet. Vet appeared in mask. Horse went bonkers. Horses and dogs smarter than your average human!

57993 ▶▶ LyndsayHopkins, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #968 of 1029 🔗

It does feel like the world has gone mad. I feel like I am living in a parallel universe. I can’t believe the government are making face masks mandatory and that people are going along with it without questioning anything. The virus has all but gone. I’m not wearing one and won’t go in a shop. I will be buying everything online.
Tonight on Facebook,Yarm news which is run by bmt media I think posted that nobody should try and go into a shop in Yarm from Friday without a mask. It’s just awful. They didn’t mention exemptions or anything.
i complained to my local MP and he came back with the we wear a seat belt line and people wear motorbike helmets. Is this the standard line Conservative MPs are supposed to take?I am just so sick of the attempts of bullying and shaming of people to try and get them to conform to what is completely abnormal. There was enough division and nastiness with Brexit and now through direct government action they have caused it again. When is this nightmare going to end?

58008 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to LyndsayHopkins, #969 of 1029 🔗

I’ve just been watching the latest instalment of the documentaries on Iraq.

Although a different setting, we again have corporate interests,the establishment and big money backing a myth (WMDs instead of a VMD) and exaggerating a problem so that it becomes an unholy disaster.

The main difference is that this time, the war is waged on domestic populations.

58011 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to LyndsayHopkins, 1, #970 of 1029 🔗

Both the seat belt and the motorcycle helmet have been designed to allow breathing. A seat belt would clearly be more effective if it had a mask element that caught your head and prevented whiplash. Your MP is a lunatic.

58036 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to LyndsayHopkins, #971 of 1029 🔗

Taxi drivers do not have to wear seat belts.
Sikhs do not have to wear bike helmets.

Should you be considering talking to your MP again. 🙂

58046 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #972 of 1029 🔗

If you have to wear a mask for any reason, get one with a strip of metal on the top (bit like an underwire in a bra). This way you can simply bend the wire out away from your face so the mask sits like an open cup allowing you to breath. To a casual observer it looks like a regular mask being worn.

57960 BecJT, replying to BecJT, 3, #973 of 1029 🔗

Call for evidence, deadline tomorrow https://appgcoronavirus.marchforchange.uk/

Call For Evidence We aim to ensure that lessons are learned from the UK’s handling of the coronavirus outbreak so that the UK’s response and preparedness may be improved in future

The All-Party Parliamentary Group is calling for evidence to be submitted to inform its recommendations to the UK Government. All evidence received will be reviewed, and submissions of particular interest may be followed up with an invitation to submit oral evidence.”

57962 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BecJT, #974 of 1029 🔗

Is this preparedness for the second wave by any chance?

57967 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Cheezilla, #975 of 1029 🔗

Is the 2nd wave that they are confident is going to happen because they know how many people have had treatments delayed or stopped and could now be fatal because of their neglect. and protecting the NHS

57969 ▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to Cheezilla, #976 of 1029 🔗

No doubt, I still used it to give them both barrels.

57961 DRW, 8, #977 of 1029 🔗

Went into Bristol today for the first time this year. Worried it’d be a zombified
muzz-hell but pleasantly disproven. Noticed more headphones than masks-
only about 10% had the latter and they mainly seemed to be the old (and possibly vulnerable). Stopped for a while in a park and found plenty enjoying the good weather. Most were young adults sharing stories and laughs, whilst a few older people were reading and sipping drinks. No swerving, not even from the masked minority passing by. What an uplifting experience in these dark times.

57965 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #978 of 1029 🔗

Vernon Coleman has made an extraordinary contribution to humanity and reason throughout this torture. His latest contribution is a 30 minute retelling of what we have all endured since February. With so much happening daily that day of 500,000 to die in UK and 2.2 million to die in U.S. seems a long time ago. A very easy to listen to recap of just what has gone on. Perhaps one of Vernon’s most powerful videos.

Vernon Colman’s latest:
https://youtu.be/EhYX8RzyMC4

58022 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Basics, 2, #979 of 1029 🔗

He seems to have a large following with 125k subscribers on Youtube. He tells it straight which I like!

58024 ▶▶▶ MrPudgy, replying to Sue, 2, #980 of 1029 🔗

His subscribers have gone up from 79k to 126k in the last few weeks, which is really encouraging.

58026 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Sue, 1, #981 of 1029 🔗

I like the genuine aspect too. I am aware of his criticism as he is too. He’s a far sight more trustworthy than any creature you need to pay a license to watch!

He’s growing too.

Uk column suggested the skeptic side needs to get hundreds of thousands in support to effect any change to what is going on. 125k is a freaking good job by one man. He deserves to be shared.

58105 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 1, #982 of 1029 🔗

Been top of my YouTube feed for some weeks now.

57968 Steeve, 1, #983 of 1029 🔗

Can I recommend the LEPARK Nylon Mesh Dog Muzzle with Overhead Strap for Small,Medium and Large Dogs, Prevent Biting, Barking and Chewing. Now corona virus resistant Tested in Imperial kennels by the local Lab. Pack reviewed all good.

57971 microdave, replying to microdave, 13, #984 of 1029 🔗

If anyone is visiting the Norfolk Broads I suggest you pay a visit to the Post Office & stores at Ranworth Staithe – assuming you can find a parking or mooring spot, that is! I had to wait for some time to get an ice cream, as there were lots of people and children ahead of me. I didn’t see any obvious Anti-Social Distancing signs, and most folk were being sensible anyway. I also didn’t see any muzzles, although many of the kids were wearing life vests, which is understandable if they’ve just arrived by water.

After the shop had quietened down I was able to have a few words with the owner, and asked if I would have to wear a muzzle should I came back next weekend. He gruffly replied “It’s not my job to enforce – that’s a police matter” . I pointed out that it’s civil law and they can’t take action in any case. He said “Good, the only time I see them here is when they want to hassle me” . He said that trade the last couple of weeks had been “Manic”, which is good, although he said he won’t recoup the losses of the first 3 months of lockdown. There’s also a pub opposite, with several outside tables occupied, but I didn’t go in, so can’t report on the situation there.

Both these businesses rely heavily on the seasonal tourist trade, so should be helped out where possible, particularly if they aren’t going to enforce Fuhrer Hancock’s ludicrous directive.

57975 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to microdave, 3, #985 of 1029 🔗

I am out of the town centre for the next 4 months.

57991 ▶▶ Basics, replying to microdave, #986 of 1029 🔗

Thanks for the civil law point. You’ve clearly got that across to me. Police do criminal law not civil law. Thanks.

58031 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Basics, 1, #987 of 1029 🔗

Be really careful. There is a difference between civil law and criminal law, but I’m not at all sure that any claims that the police can’t enforce the former are true. I’ve no doubt at all that the police _could_ enforce the wearing of masks if they chose to and that they could legitimately impose fines and arrest you for refusing to give your details if they chose to. I strongly suspect that they won’t bother and I think it’s still more likely that you could just saunter off between the police being called (if they’re called) and the police arriving (if they arrive), but please make sure you’re completely happy that you’ve understood the enforcement situation for yourself before you rely on this.

58051 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to matt, 1, #988 of 1029 🔗

Quite happy no police will be going anywhere. My comment relates to a previous chat. Criminal and legal (civil) law. It appears to me strange a constable can give a fine – perhaps a police officer can. Its not going to be happening in any case. But the academic side is interesting, the use of the police ‘brand’ is being used to give power to social shamers. But just how a police constable can work within civil law is interesting. I wish I had this tied down. Thank for concern matt. Really though, no one is being lifted or fined.

Irony is I supposed that folk who are calling mask wearers scared of an exaggerated scare are themselves falling for another. Think there’s some merit in that thought and not too much abuse!

58044 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Basics, #989 of 1029 🔗

As far as I understood it masks wearing is law and not guidance so if they were bloody-minded enough the Old Bill could arrest you.

58055 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Bella, #990 of 1029 🔗

Civil – police officer
Criminal – police constable

Its better to leave this comment for next week since people may get worried by such talk.

In reality no one is going to even see a police man except if there’s a life sized sticker in the shop window telling you not to steal.

58087 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Basics, #991 of 1029 🔗

I don’t think there is any such distinction.

58089 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to OKUK, #992 of 1029 🔗

Quite. What you smokin’, Basics ?

58085 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to microdave, #993 of 1029 🔗

Civil law? I don’t think so? The fines might be outside criminal law, more like parking and speed fines…but they are surely part of public law not civil law.

Unless you are determined to be a mask martyr surely either an exempt badge or a loose fitting scarf that can be lifted over the nose temporarily are better strategies than escalating confrontation?

58088 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to OKUK, 1, #994 of 1029 🔗

Nah, escalate the fuck out of them.

57995 kbeanie, replying to kbeanie, 4, #995 of 1029 🔗

Another article I can’t read as it’s behind the paywall, but this opening says enough:

‘Officers too busy to deal with calls about masks unless violence or disorder involved, Devon and Cornwall commissioner says’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/20/police-force-says-will-not-respond-calls-shoppers-refuse-wear/

58001 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kbeanie, 2, #996 of 1029 🔗

That seems pretty much to be the stance across the board. The police IMO have more pressing cases that they are attending to – rise in domestic violence, stabbings, increase in crime brought about by drug and alcohol abuse, etc.

58009 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to kbeanie, 3, #997 of 1029 🔗

There’s a picture too in which it states that 19% of people oppose masks in shops and 67% are for wearing masks in shops. I’d love to know who they asked!

58021 ▶▶▶ Charles, replying to ambwozere, 6, #998 of 1029 🔗

Indeed. It might be reasonable to assume that, if over two thirds of people are in favour of wearing masks in shops, more than 1% of them would have been doing so already.

58000 Dave #KBF, 1, #1000 of 1029 🔗

Journalist Sam Sholli interviews people in the North London suburb of Mill Hill.

I find this non MSM journalism interesting.

https://youtu.be/y3h3f2oL8Xs

58018 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1001 of 1029 🔗

Just found an email from the CEO of Aldi, doing an update on their “safety” measures.

I found this bit encouraging:

It has been heartwarming to see customers remembering that not all disabilities and health conditions are visible, and being considerate of others who may not be able to socially distance or wear a mask.

I reckon that’s a green light for us!

58027 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1002 of 1029 🔗

The logic of mask wearing:

“Wear a mask, you might kill somebody otherwise.”
“What if I have a disability/health condition that makes me exempt?”
“That’s ok, kill away.”

58045 ▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #1003 of 1029 🔗

It’s all bollocks. I will never never wear a muzzle. Bit apprehensive and imagining situations where I may be confronted with violence. Wearing a muzzle is mandatory in Wales next Monday, I will not be wearing one.

58054 ▶▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to Kath Andrews, 1, #1004 of 1029 🔗

Only on public transport (for now) Kath, not in shops etc… unless something has changed and the CMO caved on his very firm position on this already.

Edit : I don’t mean to be flippant saying ‘only only public transport’ – any mandatory mask wearing is a disgrace, but at least, for now, it is only on public transport which hopefully you can just avoid.

58073 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mark II, #1005 of 1029 🔗

Yes…not being to buy food takes it to a totally different level.

58082 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nobody2020, #1006 of 1029 🔗

“What if I’m attending a largely violent Far Left protest?”

“You’ll be wearing a mask anyway, so no problem. “

58030 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1007 of 1029 🔗

Please report on aldi visits. Was my encounter with door mask thug a one off?

58086 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, #1008 of 1029 🔗

Our local Aldi has been relaxed throughout. Apart from very annoying recorded messages, that is.

58035 Charles, replying to Charles, 5, #1009 of 1029 🔗

‘The Vaccine’

0810 Today Programme interview was with head of govt vaccine task force. It sounded somewhat like a spoof.

Develop vaccine to combat a mutating virus that has never been precisely isolated.

Design vaccine to lessen symptoms, but not to prevent infection (or, presumably, transmission).

Write up vaccine as a roaring success when recipient fails to die.

Then, Justin Webb teed her up for the big one by asking what would happen if a significant number of people refuse the vaccine.

Answer; we would have to remain in lockdown.

Worth listening to as it is one of the least well baked plans cooked up so far, and that’s saying something.

58059 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Charles, 7, #1010 of 1029 🔗

Plan for yearly boosters. A rolling payday is more effective than a single hit.

58042 Maccynic, #1011 of 1029 🔗

Look, I’m not the brightest on here, however even I can appreciate masks have no scientific/ medical benefit in the relatively open spaces of Tesco etc. As a resident of the Scottish part of our nation, I can tell you I have not worn anything on my face on visits to shops, malls etc. No one has said a word. I studiously distance from others and nothing, NOTHING has happened. Including death and plague. The biggest disappointment is with those who agree the whole thing is bollocks etc, AND THEN CONTINUE TO PUT ON A FACE COVERING down the Tesco/ Waitrose just to be safe, avoid confrontation, what harm can it do etc. Please, if you believe the mask thing is bollocks, follow it through. It’s quite scary at first, however the Masked are not aghast, rather they display the unfulfilled wish to follow suit in most cases .. Tis only by leading by example we can expect others to follow!

58050 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 3, #1012 of 1029 🔗

Just noticed this in the Telegraph…

Two articles on the site at the same time…

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58052 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to Lockdown Truth, 3, #1013 of 1029 🔗

They should ask all 76% who said they support it the simple followup question of ‘why?’ and if they couldnt back up their position with scientific justification their answer should be thrown out.

58061 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark II, 4, #1014 of 1029 🔗

I always resort to A L Mencken’s cynicism whenever I see displays of the ‘wisdom’ of crowds being used to justify the promotion of idiocy.

58069 ▶▶▶ Adam, replying to Mark II, 2, #1015 of 1029 🔗

They should ask all those who support them whether they already are wearing masks. I suspect there wouldn’t be very many, judging by the amount of mask wearing I am seeing lately — conclusion: they support masks, but only for other people.

58299 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark II, #1016 of 1029 🔗

Their answer would be that their pal Boris recommends it and the BBC says it’s necessary.

58058 ▶▶ Charles, replying to Lockdown Truth, 3, #1017 of 1029 🔗

A referendum would sort this out……

58063 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Charles, 1, #1018 of 1029 🔗

Sly brain here thinks why two? Why not three? Two actively causes confusion. Destabilising.

58104 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1019 of 1029 🔗

You should repost that today since not many will see it here now.
Comes to something when the Telegraph misrepresents it’s own survey.
A couple of years back they ran an item about an Auz beach bar having a promotion featuring serving seafood directly from the bodies of female models (several pics of said contorted ladies).
The accompanying poll declared 90% in favour. The Graph still had a sense of humour then.

58060 James Bertram, #1020 of 1029 🔗

Any chance of giving these falsehoods more exposure, Toby?

‘…We want to give people more confidence to shop safely, and enhance protections for those who work in shops.
Both of these can be done by the use of face coverings. Sadly, sales assistants, cashiers and security guards have suffered disproportionately in this crisis.
The death rate of sales and retail assistants is 75% higher among men, and 60% higher among women than in the general population. So as we restore shopping, so we must keep our shopkeepers safe….’
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/face-coverings-to-be-mandatory-in-shops-and-supermarkets-from-24-july

Good analysis: https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2020/07/fact-checking-matt-hancocks-figures-on-covid-deaths-among-shop-workers-analysed-.html

My comment: It seems Hancock has deliberately misled parliament, and should be made to apologise to the House.
The survey lists by registered occupation those who died between 9 March and 25 May.
[Too, of use: ‘The US Bureau of Statistics – labour force statistics from the current population survey’ gives a good breakdown of numbers occupied in different retail categories – The UK will be similar.]
Over this period MOST shops were closed. Thus the VAST MAJORITY of those retail workers who were registered as dying of Covid-19 over the period of the survey COULD NOT HAVE CAUGHT THE VIRUS AT THE WORKPLACE.
(Or are we to believe that only those shopkeepers who went to work died?)
Thus, to justify and impose a workplace safety measure on that basis, in Hancock’s words to ‘keep our shopkeepers safe’, is completely dishonest.
Hancock needs to be booted out.

58076 OKUK, 3, #1021 of 1029 🔗

That Tom Bradby guy on News at Ten is v annoying. A “complete drip” as my wife calls him – a woke warrior who stays awake at night worrying (he’s bored the rest of us to sleep with tales of his insomnia). He declares that progress on the Covid vaccine will be greeted by all with great joy. Not so Tom. Some of us believe such vaccines are creating opportunities for novel pathogens and that one day as a result we might find ourselves facing a truly deadly virus – far, far worse than this Covid kitten. Tom’s jingoistic talking up of the Oxford vaccine failed to disguise the fact that the actual report that followed was so laden with caveats, exemptions and limitations as to resemble the text of an insurance policy.

58077 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #1022 of 1029 🔗

Stockholm Syndrome – My addition/emphasis below. I’m now convinced that this is a genuine condition. There’s no other way to explain the destruction/devastation of everything we thought was normal and for people to then thank those who caused it for saving them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

Stockholm syndrome has been defined as a condition in which hostages develop a psychological alliance with their captors during captivity. Emotional bonds may be formed between captor and captives, during intimate time together, but these are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims.

Stockholm syndrome is a “contested illness” due to doubt about the legitimacy of the condition. It has also come to describe the reactions of some abuse victims beyond the context of kidnappings or hostage-taking. Actions and attitudes similar to those suffering from Stockholm syndrome have also been found in victims of sexual abuse, human trafficking, terror, and political, religious oppression and Coronavirus interventions.

58094 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #1023 of 1029 🔗

Aren’t we “all in this together”? (sarcasm). It’s absolutely Stockholm Syndrome.

58079 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 6, #1024 of 1029 🔗

Does anyone agree with me that the Prime Minister looks a bit, well, mad.

58080 ▶▶ Athanasius, replying to OKUK, 4, #1025 of 1029 🔗

I don’t know if he looks it, but if by their fruits ye shall know them, he is a stark raving loon.

58098 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to OKUK, 1, #1026 of 1029 🔗

Bozo and Dom didn’t get Covid just a bad acid trip after watching 28 Days + 28 Weeks Later back to back.
Could someone tell them they are just pretend ?

58083 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #1027 of 1029 🔗

Oxford scientist: Impossible to say how many shots of the vaccine each age group would need
Prof Andrew Pollard, of the Oxford Vaccine Group, said it was impossible to say yet how many shots of the vaccine each age group would need to be given to gain and then maintain levels of coronavirus immunity.

Speaking at a webinar organised by the Science Media Centre, he said: “We have seen encouraging response with one dose.

“But in the small subgroup that you see in the Lancet paper, there are better responses with two doses – that is not totally unexpected.

“We know that human populations are completely naive to this virus and so you need quite a heavy lift in order to get a really good immune response from this vaccine, which is what we are trying to achieve with the two-dose schedule.”

He added the team would be closely evaluating the immune responses in older age groups to see if two doses gives stronger protection than one

From edinburgh live.

58084 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 2, #1028 of 1029 🔗

I suppose he (Pollard) might be a seriously brave chap, admitting all this malfeasance, and under his real name too.

58191 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Basics, 1, #1029 of 1029 🔗

They can’t possibly have any independent thinking when they are having billions pumped into their ‘research’ by ‘foundations’

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