2020-07-23

Stagecoach fears many passengers may never return after lockdown | Business | The Times

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/drop-in-passengers-leaves-stagecoach-on-shaky-ground-8kr292x89

Cycle lanes up the M6 it is then.

Going down is not too bad. Going back up is the problem.

If I stop peddling in Preston, do you think I could freewheel to Watford?

I know someone who loves cycling do not let him see this or that will move in-front of HS2/3 or whatever it is called.

As long as journeys on public transport are made as unpleasant as possible with mandatory muzzles (particularly on trains with their non-stop muzzle announcement garbage), no – they won’t.

Home Bargains sees no value in worker bonus plan | Business | The Times

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/home-bargains-sees-no-value-in-worker-bonus-plan-fqmvlrxv3

Paywall!

Letters: Teachers are not the public-sector workers who most deserve a pay rise

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/07/22/lettersteachers-not-public-sector-workers-deserve-pay-rise/

Be *very* wary of succumbing to tactics that set one group of victims against another.

It’s one of the oldest tricks in the book (See : ‘Enforcement of mask wearing’)

Hah, spot the teacher!

Here’s another victim. It’s another letter from AH’s link above:

I rang my surgery last week to request an injection in my knee. I have severe arthritis and need a total knee replacement. Steroid injections and painkillers are part of the management plan to delay the operation as long as possible as I am “only” 56 years old.
I was told that I cannot have another steroid injection until a vaccine is available , as these injections suppress the immune system and put me at risk of contracting Covid.
If this is PHE’s advice it is very short-sighted and will cause immense pain and stress to all those like myself who are dependent on them to maintain a normal and active lifestyle.

So if the person in question was opposed to having the vaccine as soon as it becomes available, does that mean they wouldn’t be able to have another steroid/painkiller injection?

Sounds like it!

Spot the teacher spotter!

Wrong. A lot of us work hard to not reinforce the idea that people who oppose this government aren’t just stupid twats who make this sort of brainless remark.

Stick to the evidence and the argument – not the dickhead prejudices.

well… the teacher’s unions, at least in the US, are doing a lot to deserve our contempt. Not a prejudice against them as a class of people, but as an organization, they are doing a lot of harm. I say that as a parent.

Viral second wave fear will drive us into another lockdown

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/07/23/viral-second-wave-fear-will-drive-us-another-lockdown/

In a strange way, then, the “second wave” concept has become a comfort blanket; it’s a little more acceptable for the world to lock down and hide under the stairs if it can kid itself that it’s just for this one last time, to see the virus off. But such an attitude becomes infantile as soon as you accept that coronavirus may be endemic – we cannot, for three months every year, shut down the entire planet.

But instead of looking us square in the eye, the Tories have chosen Big Brother’s panopticon; No 10’s new Joint Biosecurity Centre, which will drive “whack-a-mole” local lockdowns, is slickness posing as strategy – and, as it happens, reporting into track-and-trace app failure Dido Harding. When the public twigs that the infection is unlikely to be controlled in this way, the sheer panic could send us back into national lockdown. Three scenarios might help avoid the latter: a vaccine comes along; the Government gets its act together with a plan to protect the vulnerable; or we put in place safety valves against mass hysteria.

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Imperial College’s research needs to be particularly scrutinised, as its international influence grows. Dr Seth Flaxman – the first author in the paper that notoriously claimed lockdowns may have prevented over 3 million deaths in Europe – this week won fresh funding to model the pandemic across several countries.

Revelations that disrupt the narrative also need to find a stronger voice: within 24 hours, the scandal of PHE’s inflated daily death figures was running out of mileage. This week’s London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine modelling on the impact of the pandemic on cancer deaths never gathered steam. So too a paper by Oxford’s Prof Sunetra Gupta, which elegantly combined those uneasy epidemiological bedfellows – theory and evidence – to find some parts of the UK may already have reached herd immunity.

Finally, instead of mindless second wave tracking on a 24-hour loop, the broadcast media should put its energies into probing the dishonesty of politicians and assertions of scientists.

And pigs might fly? When the solution is as fantastical as the problem, it ain’t exactly a good sign. And so a summer most strange looks set to develop into a thoroughly dark winter’s tale

Here’s the problem with the whole second wave narrative, as I see it. This may be stating the obvious and I’m sure it has been discussed before, but this idea began with Fergusons shameful model.
Re reading it again, it’s difficult to not see, that he based his modelling on the H1N1 pandemic of 1918. It’s there, referenced in the opening summary.

The last time the world responded to a global emerging disease epidemic of the scale of the current COVID-19 pandemic with no access to vaccines was the 1918-19 H1N1 influenza pandemic. In that pandemic, some communities, notably in the United States (US), responded with a variety of non- pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) – measures intended to reduce transmission by reducing contact

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rates in the general population .

Various scientists predicted, based on coronavirus models, that this would become, or was endemic. They were completely ignored. Why?

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/mrc-gida/2020-03-16-COVID19-Report-9.pdf

The parallel often made with the 1918/19 pandemic is entirely inaccurate and irrelevant. It’s over 100 years ago – you might as well use Eyam and the plague as a model Even its alleged ‘second wave’ has been questioned as being an epidemic of another virus.

“ Imperial College’s research needs to be particularly scrutinised,”

Jeez! That must be the understatement of the decade The only useful thing about ICL research is to help work out the most unlikely scenario and what *not* to do.

What is interesting is how the epidemiological/virus science community has thrown up two groups. The first is the ‘Ferguson’ class of experts in hysterical and unbalanced exaggeration who like playing with useless computer models and seek suddenly rewarded attention like a child at Christmas.

The other group is represented by real scientists like Professors Henaghan, Gupta and Ionnedes and Dr Wittkowski who speak in measured, rational tones about the actual evidence – as opposed to fantasies constructed from bits and bytes.

The man from Mars descends and examines which group has been shown to be more accurate.

There is no contest : the attention seekers, often with honorary O.B.N credits to their names, have an incredible record …. events have rarely proved them right as sound data has emerged. Their main skills have been in re-fabricating propaganda-driven rationales, like the ‘Second Wave’ theory and the elusive ‘R’ number, based on quantum-like entities such as ‘Covid’ ‘cases’. (Although, dead or alive, there was at least a cat when Schrodinger’s box was opened).

On the other hand, the ‘proper’ ‘stick-to the knitting and stop attention seeking politics’ scientists with their record of measured proportion and scepticism about wild claims had long been vindicated in their analysis and forecasts about this fairly usual virus.

But the Man from Mars then looks to see who gets airtime, and whose advice is followed …. gets back on board his craft and f.s off back home as quickly as possible, having decided that there is no hope for this planet as long as the lunatics are allowed to play with dangerous toys.

If one didn’t know better, one could be forgiven for thinking that the media have more than a vested interest in keeping people unnecessarily scared, rather than reporting news and asking the right questions.

Good of you to remind us of how honest the media is. Thank you.

There is a day coming very soon when our elected elites issue yet another insane rule demanding we proles obey and a majority of us will finally just shrug our shoulders and say, “meh, just go away”. We’ll get on with our lives and they will have no way to make us obey. At which point the rest of the country will realise the emperor has no clothes. Of course, the media will freak out saying the peasants are revolting when actually we are finally regaining our composure.

Unfortunately, I very much doubt it. Too many people have been scared stupid.

That day should have been tomorrow if not earlier, but it won’t ever happen. Strolling round Morrisons today, the place was littered with around 50% of shoppers being mask wearers, who just couldn’t wait to jump the gun. If the corona-scam is ever to be gotten of our backs, it will be by the actions of a militant minority who will not be cowed. We remain, for the foreseeable future, in very deep trouble.

What we “should” do is just forget the whole thing and go back to normal. But if we HAVE TO adopt measures based on any kind of modelling then obviously we look back at who was right about Covid and who was wrong and listen to those who were right going forward.

Somehow I think they’re going to listen to broadly the same people!!!

The truth is ,at least for me, if it had not been for the media and the government I would never have known about the virus and would have carried on working and socialising exactly as before. And guess what…it would not have made a blind bit of difference. A bit like my two cats did!

It’s an excellent article. Just dipped into the ocmments. The recents ones are thoroughly depressing!
Maybe some of you would like to do a bit of redressing?

IC’s research needs to be buried in a deep abyss.

No Midsummer’s Night Dream this year. It has been CANCELLED. Postponed on account of incompetence and greed.

“Three scenarios might help avoid the latter: a vaccine comes along; the Government gets its act together with a plan to protect the vulnerable; or we put in place safety valves against mass hysteria.”

Scenario 4: We/you develop herd immunity and also work on beefing up our own innate immune systems via vit. D, zinc, quercitin, sunshine, plenty of exercise, healthy diet (no trans fats, fresh veg, organ meats [minerals], grass=fed meat, milk, eggs, and cheese [sources of vit. A]).

People with treatable cancers will die due to Government scaremongering, warns NHS nurse

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/23/people-treatable-cancers-will-die-due-government-scaremongering/

Excerpt from the above:

“We have PPE now, at the beginning there was a bit of a scramble for it but by mid-April I would say most Trusts had enough PPE to have continued to have least to run beyond the skeleton Covid system.
“I think there was a middle ground to be struck between keeping the hospitals safe and when it became apparent that we weren’t going to get this overwhelming first wave I think we should have started up services sooner and they still not being started,” she said.
She went on to criticise GPs who had been doing telephone and video consultations exclusively who she said were a “massive piece missing”.

Yeah. We know. We’ve been saying this for months, but the media have been too busy leading the weekly clapathon to notice or care. They’re a bit late to the truth…

Isn’t the key phrase in the Welsh mask advice “healthy people”? The point is masks is to help prevent *infected* people spreading the virus to others.

If you’re infected but asymptomatic, you’re healthy. In the same way that all those times in your life you were carrying around a ‘flu virus or a cold virus and didn’t even know it, you were healthy.

I have sneezed twice in 4 months.

Try snuff …

mummmm snuff, I gave that up ages ago

Useful on trains and planes.

Oh you must have had covid!

Lucky you.
I’ve had hay fever and couldn’t stop sneezing.

I’m not infected, so I don’t need to wear a mask.

How many times in your life might you have unknowingly been infected by a virus which you passed on by touching a doorhandle, which then spread to some old dear coming after you who it severely affected and ultimately killed? You never know, and we can’t live as a society in constant fear that at any interaction we ever have could kill someone eventually. People die all the time, I’m sure if we try hard enough we could all somehow be linked!

How many times throughout her life did said old dear do likewise?

The first certainty of life is ultimate death.

And with a prevalence of somewhere in the region of 1 in every 3000 (likely less, given false positives…) it therefore clearly makes no logical, economical, environmental or moral sense to enforce the masks on the healthy 2,999 in every 3,000. This is not a contestable conclusion, and yet, idiots think it’s those who don’t wish to needlessly suffocate themselves who are the selfish ones.

Stay under your bed. It’s safer there.

What if you have a divan?

There are magicians who have turned that into a stage act, it takes a saw…

Stay on top of it – but get a mosquito net!

Except they fail to do even that (the ‘face coverings’ in question neither protect the wearer nor any who said wearer comes into contact with), so the point becomes what exactly?

If masks work (which they don’t), then the Covoids can avoid getting infected by wearing one. After all, they like to tell us that masks work.

Ah, the old vaccine argument! They won’t accept that, sadly.

They are not “infected”.
You are talking about positive test results from asymptomatic people.
Those positive results are becoming so hard to find that it’s clear the only problem is the insistance on perpetuating pointless lockdown conditions.

Yes but ths point is, *nobody* is healthy any more, according to them.
You’re either a) dead of Covid b) noticeably ill and therefore dying of Covid or c) a potential, probable, harbourer of the deadly plague whilst showing no symptoms. If you’re alive, you’re a *risk*.

It’s batshit crazy. The funniest thing is when you go do something which actually WOULD be risky if you were in fact ill. Like giving blood. They are perfectly happy for me to go and give my two pints, two pints which will go into a little premature baby in my case – but I can only do so if I wear a mask. They want my blood – because it’s the ichor of the Gods. And yet, apparently I’m a biohazard. Surely if I’m a biohazard the LAST thing I should be doing is giving blood?

So tell me, am I healthy, or not?

You, like me are probably O- and never had cytomegalovirus?

Schrödinger’s blood donors?

The home-working revolution will derail the middle-class gravy train AND COMMENTS

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/22/home-working-revolution-will-derail-middle-class-gravy-train/

The article’s headline:

The home-working revolution will derail the middle-class gravy train Complacent office workers don’t realise that their jobs can now be done by anyone, anywhere in the world

Here’s a recent comment. What do people think of the hypothesis?

Yes people are going to love getting up in the middle of the night in Australia to clock on in England….
The future holds the demise of the control structure. Your house will generate power, small scale hydroponics means it will feed you. You wont need so much money. You wont need to work such long hours. Big corps spread across the planet are also useless, small scale manufacturing will take over. This is what they are scared of. You wont need big government, banks and global corps. They are dinosaurs. This is why they are getting big on taking away your freedoms and trying to make you part of a grid. It wont stop it

Hmmm. Not sure about that scenario.

“Off the grid!”
This was the battle cry of the sixties and seventies (Whole Earth Catalogue).
Also the Survivalist movement. Maybe that is just in the USA.
It sure is a good start to have more land.
Here is a plan: California, Washington, and Oregon secede from the USA after 2020 election. British Columbia secedes from Canada and joins forces with them to form Cascadia. B.C. is notoriously underpopulated. Brits who want to get off the grid can emigrate to BC and mix it up up there with Left Coasties who want to get away from the former U.S. states and breathe free. Maybe they can start fishing, farming, and pot/hemp cooperatives. They can get some big greenhouses from Holland (as the Russians are doing).

The Californian government at present is into mandatory vaxxes, Those adversely affected won’t be doing much free breathing.

Have worked in the City since 1996, we abandoned our offices in the second week of March. Went back today for the first time – it is shocking the train companies must be bankrupt – less then 10 people in an intercity service.
Some simple maths – most businesses I know are immediately saying 35% don’t need to be back of there other 65% it’s probably 2 days a week ish. So a working population of 500,000 is going to be maybe 60,000 if you really squint. That’s before any additional muzzle wearing madness. The lockdown killed my business but even going back at a very senior level into a corporate has never even contemplated being there five day’s a week.
Pretty much everything closed apart from Pret and some Turkish. Only people in are receptionists/security and premises. The lloyds insurance trading floor still closed – I think that’S the only year in nearly 400 of there not being a physical market operating.
Separately when challenged on not wearing a muzzle on the train and claiming medical expecting – I was presented with a brightly coloured lanyard and badge loudly proclaiming hidden disability – I can not imagine anything more humiliating for anyone suffering from this.

Affirmative Bowen 77. Bye all!

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An update

Five days out now

Day 1 A trip to the newsagent
Day 2 Waiting for kneel (he still hasn’t turned up, staring to get worried, will check the canal again)
Day 3 The police are a mirage
Day 4 A visit to the seaside

Sundowners

Yesterday evening we sat on the patio of the village rugby club. A group of refuseniks gather each evening to take in the sun. Mine is a pint of cider on ice. It’s BYO, as the club has still not reopened .

Our group gets larger each day. We all take our litter home with us and leave it as pristine as we found it. In an act of defiance we drink from pint glasses that we bring with us (yes women too, it’d that kind of place)

Sat next to me is my partner of 40 years (Jesus, I’ve started doing it, she’s not my bleeding partner, a partner is someone you play cards with, she’s my wife)

Things been cooking round her for a long time. Neolithic axe heads, an iron age hill fort, roman remains and a Norman castle

On the village square the union jack flies next to the war memorial. Three ancient inns front onto the square. None of them have reopened (inside or out), threatening phone calls from the local Stasi soon put paid to that

The then Lord of the Manor gave the land for the rugby club to the villagers in 1882.
He also gave the land for the cricket, tennis, and bowls clubs. His other contributions were the Scouts Hall and a lovely Parish Hall built in 1907, in the Arts and Crafts style

He was a General in the British Army in India (thank god there are no statues to him)
In the Great War he came out of retirement to set up the local red cross hospital for casualties

When he passed on the Scouts lined the funeral route to the 14th century church. Heads bowed resting on their staves

My thoughts drift off. I think about John Owen Jones, my great uncle. He died of his wounds in Flanders in July 1917 aged 24. (funny how they are nearly all great uncles, few living long enough to have children of their own). I visited his grave a few years ago and placed flowers upon it. Possibly the first person ever to do so

His memorial plaque and victory medal sit in a display cabinet at home. They sit next to my late mother and fathers wartime medals. My father used to joke that the war would have ended two years earlier if my mother had not been involved. I wonder what it was like to be a 19 year old on D Day, and resolve to pass on his Legion Du Honnour to our eldest son

Then my thoughts turn to the betrayal and the lying, my feelings spin out of control

“What are you thinking about”

“Nothing”

“Yes you are I can tell”

“No nothing”

Another thought crosses my mind, if he’s shagged everything that’s moved, he’s not likely to stop at us

I am back in the room, and the conversation turns to ice packs, the fact that none of us will give our names in order to go into a pub, and what’s for dinner

Tomorrow: Rishi Sunak sponsors the bowls Club

Thank you for such a reflective post; all the best, and have one for me too!

The big countdown is on. Less than 24 hours till lift off.
This time tomorrow the mighty England, once ruler of the seven seas, the nation that invented the modern world, who’s art’s, music, science and literature dominates popular culture on nearly all parts of this blue marble will be subjugated, broken, torn apart and rotten.
And most of the English will be just fucking dandy with that.
The country that stood alone against the evil Bosch, who took Africa from the lions and made America have become cowards sitting back watching their country destroyed by outside forces.
With smart phones in hand and masks on their faces
they take their places
in the faceless society.
The mask of the beast on every street and in every home
the sun has set on the empire, it’s gone
With parliament disbanded now an empty building,
haunted and totally ruined
The good ship Albion has hit the rocks
Boudica’s children will wear masks in shops
will it ever stop? I hear some cry
but with a whimper she dies.
No longer the common man under common law
without the heart to fight for
liberty, at any cost
Englands Paradise lost.

Churchill quote (there’s always a Churchill quote), slightly adapted:

What he [Johnson] has done is to kindle a fire in British hearts, here and all over the world, which will glow long after all traces of the conflagration he has caused in England have been removed. He has lighted a fire which will burn with a steady and consuming flame until the last vestiges of Woke tyranny have been burnt out of Europe, and until the Old World — and the New — can join hands to rebuild the temples of man’s freedom and man’s honour, upon foundations which will not soon or easily be overthrown.

Good one

Thought you’d given up posting here?

It’s only lost if we don’t stop it, Biker. We must dissent and fight tooth and nail against this.

Spot on Biker but the process of destroying Old Albion has been a hundred years in the making , It is only obvious now due to how brazen the last arch traitors have become
( Blair , Brown , Cameron , May and Johnson ) .
The chaps i work with on site would rather talk about the return of the football and last nights game than talk about resisting our coming enslavement . It’s pathetic what the descendants of the anglo saxons have become.
I hope i am wrong but i don’t see any real hope for Albion.
I am very black pilled right now after an awful journey home from work in central London through the east end to Essex.
Dystopia doesn’t even begin to describe it .
I Need a drink…………………..

I’m in the USA.
I would be interested to read the story of your dreadful train trip.

I was driving Jane as i am an Electrician and i need to transport my tools to and from work every day and using the tube ( London underground / Metro )
is only a viable option for me if i am on a job longer than a week or more so i can leave the tools on the job.
Agenda 2030 is kicking into gear this week with lots of lane an road closures on the main routes out of London to the east thus compressing all the traffic.
Formerly quick routes in and out of London are being deliberately strangled to punish drivers and put small business’s out of London.
Couple that with all the cameras , speed limit warning signage and constant road changes / closures it makes driving really a traumatic experience.
All this while viewing the masked mind controlled slaves walking the streets and driving through some of my old east end neighbourhoods that now resemble the set from Escape from New York.
Just Horrible

What in the world is Agenda 2030?

UN Charter 2030 The planned destruction of the western world as we know it. It’s happening in the states to , I don’t know if you in a major US city , if you are surely you must have noticed all the masses of high density housing being crammed onto any available land near to any metro line station ? They are trying to force people out of the countryside into highly surveilled gulag tech cities.
Most western nations are signed up to this, see the work of Mark Windows at ” Windows on the World.net ” he lays this out clearly what we are up against and the corona hoax is just one facet of agenda 2030.
Also he now does a weekly show on an American radio station,
RBN Republic Broadcast Network.

https://windowsontheworld.net/live-shows/

Thanks for the link Two-Six . I am not very tech savvy so have difficulty
posting links.
Cheers

Maybe look up PNAC and Agenda 21 as well.

Families must choose one member to visit elderly relatives in care homes, Government says

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/22/families-must-choose-one-member-visit-elderly-relatives-care/

The government guidelines are very detailed and even include a get out that if the care home don’t think it is safe to allow a resident to see family they don’t have to allow visiting. I am hopeful it gives care homes some kind of permission to allow visiting but I am not hopeful of much contact with my dad and I don’t think this will change until the winter Covid deaths do not happen. So very sadly for Dad, me and many other separated families this long time scale will likely mean a resident will die as they come to the end of their life having endured a year of forced separation from family. I remain very sad and very angry.

Just go in anyway. They have no legal grounds to stop you

Quote Section 3 of the Criminal Law Act 1977 which says you can use such reasonable force as is necessary to protect family members

How do you know what’s going on in there unless you go in and check?

Yes. For a non-existent virus, this really is extremely cruel.

I don’t blame you. It is inhuman.
Why can’t the set aside an area for visiters, like in a prison.
One visit at a time. Then ventilate.
Or, set up little booths. Or something.
If they wanted to solve this problem they could.
These visits will prolong some lives and contribute to seniors’ quality of life. What is the point in being alive if you are stuck in solitary.
Will to live will dissipate.
Many seniors live just to get a glimpse of their grandchildren.
It is very, very cruel.
Where there is a will there is a way.
What has happened to that British Bulldog?

This seems to have been “disappeared” from the website. I saw it early this morning, but can’t find it now. Explains the low volume of comments.

I’ve just accessed it at 14.30.
The comments are angry – and heartbreaking!

Here’s part of one:

Last week my wife and I visited her mother in her care home, the first time my wife had been able to meet with her widowed 86 year old mother in four months, the longest separation by far in her entire life. The arrangements were not ideal (over 4 hours travel for a 25 minute meeting) but were quite safe, socially distant and had a tremendously positive effect on both my wife and mother-in-law. We’re due to visit again on Fri 24 July but…..the new PHE guidance would prevent a similar meeting!
The new PHE guidance seems to be a very misguided, knee-jerk reaction in response to PHE’s earlier failures. My mother-in-law is in a care home, not a prison, and shouldn’t be prevented from seeing her relatives and close friends by these bizarre new guidelines. Care homes themselves are quite capable of managing their own visiting arrangements without interference from PHE. But it appears that PHE is now allowed to effectively control the management of privately owned care homes funded by self-funding residents. This is totally unacceptable and has led to very capable care homes and their residents being badly damaged as a result of PHE policy……

There at 10:14. But paywalled.

I hate this government with all my being.

And I. I never knew the real meaning of the word until now.

Face nappy might be useful ere. Who’s to say which family member is behind it?

Notice how flexible the advice is.

The advice recommends “limiting the numbers of visitors to a single constant visitor per resident, wherever possible”. ….

Relatives will be told to wear face coverings and follow advice on social distancing as much as possible

It will depend on how draconian the carehome gestapo want to make it. What are they going to do – stand watch and guard the door while someone’s visiting?

Answering my own question, here’s one of the comments to the above:

After allowing tens of thousands of airline passengers into the country since Feb with no checks, the Govt allowed PHE to put infected people into care homes with no checks.
They now have the audacity, now the damage has been done, to pretend we family members are a risk. I am speechless!
I visited my 92 year old mother last week. The care home took my temp and blood oxygen level, made me wear a bib and mask and sit outside 4 metres away from her, whilst insisting that a member of staff watch me all the time ( whilst listening to my muffled conversation) in case I dare embrace my mother.
To top it all. She had the virus 6 weeks ago, felt a bit unwell but was fine within a week.

The mother of a friend of mine is in a care home. Only one family member allowed to visit, masks required, and they did indeed stand guard during the visit to ensure no contact took place. The very antithesis of caring.

Here’s a corker of a reply!

We’ve had elderly genocide, now elder abuse through social isolation and affection deprivation
Cancer patient genocide through withdrawal of medical care
Learning disabled genocide though DNR
And mandatory child abuse through psychological torture (isolation, withdrawal of education, social distancing and muzzling)
Economic terrorism and controlled demolition of small and medium business.
Now Chris Witty admits lockdown wasn’t even needed because the virus was already declining.
Johnson and Hancock should be facing life imprisonment for these crimes against humanity.

All in the space of 5 months, phenominal.

Too late, my relative is dead.

That is terrible. Very sorry to read it.

Disgusting!

Liverpool Fans Celebrate

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=liverpool+fans&&view=detail&mid=9A24360873B6D448BF549A24360873B6D448BF54&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dliverpool%2Bfans%26FORM%3DHDRSC3

Yep, I called this the other day, fa cup final next, football fans will save the day.

To quote bill shankly
Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don’t like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that

Excellent, delighted to see it. The hysterical lunatics will be absolutely pissing their pants that they weren’t just gathering and not wearing masks, they were doing that now criminal thing of singing, and talking loudly! How dare they have a good time and enjoy their teams success.

So disappointing to see all the political figures and club spokespeople coming out before the day telling them to celebrate at home and not gather – absolutely pathetic.

Yep. That fans gathered in numbers, despite their adored club and adored manager telling them to ‘stay at home’ speaks volumes. Deep down, an awful lot of people know it’s bollox.

Here’s to number 20.

6 or was it 9 (?) got arrested according to R2 news for “ignoring instructions to stay away and celebrate from home”:
so that’s another new law is it ?

Probably Everton supporters

Not bitter, not at all.

I saw a great clip yesterday where someone doorstepped Everton names of the past – Peter Reid, Tony Cottee, etc., asking if they wanted to pass on congratulations to LFC. Cottee’s response was almost entirely bleeped out.

Sadly, they did put a “dispersal zone” in place, so probably legit.

Disappointed to see some masks. But, hey, you can’t have everything.

I was too. Doubt there’d be many left by 3 in the morning though.

wish i was in liverpool – i would have joined them even though i don’t like football!

Now that’s setting an excellent example!

McDonald’s reopens 700 stores for dine in – see if your local restaurant is on the list – Mirror Online

https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/breaking-mcdonalds-reopens-700-stores-22395428

Well, according to the Telegraph, they’ll have to shut them tomorrow. So which story is true?

Why ?

I guess maybe that is good news, but not really for those who are serious about building up their own immune via healthy eating, lifestyle, etc.

So they caught it in hospital. Who knew? An exercise in creative accounting if ever there was one

Who’s clapping now?

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/hospital-coronavirus-infections-deaths-transmission-18642170?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Matt Hancock will spend billions on a track-and-trace system that is about as effective as two tin cans connected by a piece of string

I’m sorry, but two tin cans connected by a piece of string actually works, as opposed to this tracking system.

And no government will ever be able to say they can prove whether their T&T system works or not, because they are created to preserve the users’ privacy by not to creating a centralised record! Although they’ll be able to claim what they like, you will always be able to say ‘how can you possibly tell?’.
Germany’s Robert Koch Institute says they can’t at present, and ‘Switzerland has the same issue’.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/technology-53485569

I run my family’s small convenience store in the North West. We have no intention of enforcing this ridiculous Mandatory Muzzle Law when it drops tomorrow. I recently tweeted a picture of a poster that I’ve put at the entrance to our store, and the support for our policy has so far been excellent!

https://twitter.com/Scottty87/status/1285674463820906497?s=19

I encourage all small business owners to unite against this fascistic government and their liberty-sapping edicts, simply say NO to the forced muzzling of our valued customers!

I`d like to visit a sane shop. Where can we find you?

I would love to visit your shop!

I’d be there in a shot if I wasn’t in the South West well done for the sensible approach

My local shop has the front page of the Daily Mirror pinned up. We won’t shop you.

Brilliant and well done you. I hope it earns you lots of well deserved additional business. Shame more businesses in the SE don’t take this approach.

I have a similar nearby store that I visit most days, can’t see them taking any notice.

My local shop has been completely laid back and sane throughout the last 4 months. I’m hoping they’ll be the same from tomorrow.

Unfortunately, though the shop is a veritable Aladdin’s cave (they sell everything from cauliflowers to electric fuses), they don’t sell much that I would buy, other than their bacon, eggs and an uninspiring non-organic wine selection.

Still, if they remain sane, I’ll do my best to support them, even if I have to live on bacon, eggs and Yellowtail Malbec for the next few months!

Three big cheers for you!I hope you make a mint!

It is time for a 21st Century Peasant Revolt.

Maybe a pitchfork would be a good symbol for this revolt. Like, pitch the masks, and the bastards, overboard!
Everyone kmows what a pitchfork means.
A fist holding a pitchfork. Running a mask through with its tines.
I think that would look quite lovely!

Draw it up, post it here and distribute it.

Scotty, that’s awesome.
Pity about the accompanying comments though!

Good for you!!

Well done and all the best for tomorrow!

http://laworfiction.com/2020/07/face-covering-for-6-to-12-months-from-24th-july/

Thank you all for the kind comments. We’re based in Liverpool, I do hope those further afield will all find sensible small businesses to support during this period of abject madness!

I received back the FOI request from the DHSC about the medical advice prior to the serious and imminent threat declaration being issued.

My original FOI request was to the Government’s legal department and they said this would be too expensive to find so refused the request.

Attached the reply from the DHSC and it is very interesting. The main bit of the reply is a link to this page on the gov.uk website:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/statement-from-the-four-uk-chief-medical-officers-on-novel-coronavirus

Apaprently the information has been in the public domain since 30th January 2020 – I’ve searched the DHSC website a few times prior to submitting the request and could never find this webpage or announcement and it was not linked to on the serious and imminenet threat webpage either.

There is nothing on it to suggest any major threat, just the comment:

“ the 4 UK Chief Medical Officers consider it prudent for our governments to escalate planning and preparation in case of a more widespread outbreak.

For that reason, we are advising an increase of the UK risk level from low to moderate. This does not mean we think the risk to individuals in the UK has changed at this stage, but that government should plan for all eventualities.”

Nothing scary there and nothing to justify what happened next on February 10th 2020 with the start of The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020 – which is actually a Statutory Instrument, not an Act of Parliament so the naming is done to confuse you.

Wayback machine or archive.org may just may help you see if tge page was there or if it changed.

Which part of the legislation is the Enabling Act, the bit that allows them to make it up as they go along ?

Everything is supposed to be under the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 with the S.I.s supplementary to this.

The first Coronavirus “Act”, which is now revoked, was on February 10th 2020 with the “serious and imminent threat declaration” which kicked the whole thing off after the Government received the “medical advice” I’ve listed above.

here is the introductory text:

The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020 (revoked) 2020 No. 129

PUBLIC HEALTH, ENGLAND

Made at 6.50 a.m. on 10th February 2020

Laid before Parliament at 2.30 p.m. on 10th February 2020

Coming into force in accordance with article 1(1)

Article 1 (1):

Citation, commencement and application

1. —(1) These Regulations may be cited as the Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020 and come into force immediately after they are made.

As it is a S.I. no Parliamentary oversight or debate required.

I read last week that custom says that Parliament should get 2 weeks to review and discuss but this is not a legal requirement and is not written down anywhere it can be done away with without any consequences.

This first “act” has now been revoked an all the others and following amendments starting about March 26th are the supplementary legislation.

The Government and councils should have been using the Public Health Act to impose operating restrictions onto businesses and to isolate individuals but there are a lot of steps to go through and compensation to be paid but instead they have used psychology, guidelines etc to get you to self isolate voluntarily, put measures in place at your business and so son so no need to follow the long-winded legal process and pay compensation that way.

The new “framework” from Government to councils basically says “from now on, follow the public health act, anything else that crops up will be dealt with by parliament and done properly” or long-winded words to that effect.

Thank you, I understand that is why The US avoid the word ‘Quarantine’ as that would similarly involve hoops and Compensation.
Is it just a coincidence that the Govt. has passed even more powers to Local Authorities just as they go on their extended holidays or are they trying to shift the blame ?

And then in March

Status of COVID-19
As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK.

The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.

The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID.

Then they instigated lockdown and now at the end of July mandatory masks.

I thought they downgraded Covid from HCID to avoid legal complications of that status.

“To say the least, it will be riveting to see what developments take place on an empire-collapsing and/or world government level as 2019 ends and 2020 continues heating up as the American Empire is shaken to its core by a gang of saboteurs and infiltrators with fascist tendencies resulting in a further disintegration of democracy and ultimate collapse of the US government if the hollowing out of our traditional institutions is allowed to continue.
And yet as world history shows, old orders must always give way to the new . But what species of ‘new’ will be implemented should be the choice of humanity, and not of those who are determined on the destruction of civilization!”

Originally posted October 12 2019

American institutions certainly seem to be under sustained attack over the past few month. I know it is always written off as being conspiratorial but it really looks like this is the dawn of the New World Order.

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2020-07-22T11_18_32-07_00

Simon Dolan interview from yesterday. Starts about ten minutes in. Good to hear.

Neil Oliver says, basically: Comedy is currently impotent.
We desperately need irreverence in comedy.

Depressingly true! Thank goodness for Andrew Lawrence.

21 MINUTES IN. LISTENING RIGHT NOW.

If I fill up my car with petrol and then go to pay in the kiosk (=shop?) without a mask, will they let me in

In answer to the question, probably not unless you are wearing a mask. I saw people filling up and then putting mask on to pay and then taking it off outside.

Me being me I thought I would deliberately pay in the kiosk without.

I was ordered to wear a mask and was pointed to a table in the corner on which was a pile of masks that had been sitting there for God knows how long attracting dust and germs and ordered to wear one.

Needless to say I refused as I am medically exempt and then had to listen to the lady launch into a rant about people faking symptoms blah blah.

The charade took about 5 minutes when all I had to do was walk in and touch my card to pay contactless (I do normally pay cash but wanted to avoid a confrontation which I had anyway).

Good for you.

I have started to use the Shell App – you can fill up and it is automatically paid for (via your phone) – no need to go into the shop anymore – think you can also get such an App for Esso and BP.

Another nail in the coffin of cash.

Good day yesterday on training course. Everyone a sceptic – delegates and staff – and a few people wanted a badge so pointed them towards e-bay and Two-Six.

We even managed to convince a lecturer that the virus was nowhere near as dangerous as she taught and put her mind at rest on why we couldn’t be arsed with the social distancing and a she’s ex-military is going to look into the 77th as she says the British Army should not be at war with their own population.

One guy was telling us the stories he had from his girlfriend who works in a care home (they only had 2 deaths “with” the virus then refused to take patients from hospitals) and how GPs would not come out and refused point blank to attend any patient, ambulances were refused by 999 and hospitals refused to take patients no matter what they had wrong with them so the staff had to treat them the best they could.

General consensus is it’s all a scam, government policy was to deliberately kill off the old and sick, it’s gone, positive tests mean nothing, sanctimonious wanker mask wearers are going to get a hiding, everyone on the course has an exemption – either distress or harm – someone else is calling the shots and our lot just following orders and the questions who? and why? were asked a lot but no answers as yet.

Driving back through Norwich 25 mins in traffic and only one face mask seen and that was by a late 20 something and it matches their outfit so was a fashion statement. Pub gardens full, no social distancing, no masks.

I really get the feeling that if the bastards dropped all the stupid rules and masks things would instantly look way more normal across the board.

They wouldn’t look normal, things would be normal.

That’s the point!

The care home accounts keep getting sadder by the day

And these people have been paid a pittance to try and mitigate the effects on the vulnerable of deliberate government policy.

Great post. It gave me a vision of masks been a handy way to stop loose teeth from being lost during a scuffle.

Simon Dolan yesterday in the Allen Show radio interview suggested there is a silent majority of reasonable people seeing through the fearing and mandatory measures. I think Simon Dolan is correct. Talking to people we din’t know is a way to raise awareness of our majority.

Or they talk to us. Mablethorpe last weekend and it was busy. Donkeys on the beach, sun shining, positively normal. I said to a shop owner how busy it was and her reaction was..not after Friday. Folk will come to the beach but not into town. The Government & their experts sit in the London Bubble and haven’t a clue what happens in the rest of the country. We only have a four month season at best, probably finished now. The next day got talking to an elderly lady (was admiring her dog) and she told me that she thought the mask thingy that was happening at the weekend was “very silly” now. There are a lot of us out there

Yes, that’s our impression too – we keep talking to people as much as possible. OH and I have been pleasantly surprised by how many people seem to get that it’s a scam. These include even older people living on their own who only get MSM fear-porn day-in, day-out.

In our experience it’s middle-class people on furlough, well-heeled pensioners (some with a legitimate health reason at first but surely not now) and silly woke youngsters being dictated to by social media who are the most zealous to buy-in. Oh and jobsworth little Hitlers of course like Awkward Git’s petrol station sparkler!

By the way, if you’ve ordered a badge from 2-6 etc, while you’re waiting for it, you can tide yourself over with a free downloadable one from bus companies, TfL and Asthma UK plus many more.

This is a must-read from Dr. Michael Osterholm, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the U of Minnesota. Very high profile institute, and he is universally respected. Below is a link to his podcast from June 3 (transcript), a special podcast on mask wearing. Obviously he prepared this document carefully in advance because, as he acknowledges, there is a lot of peer and political pressure out there to “fit the intelligence to the policy” (my words).

He goes through the history of the mask wearing thing since ca. February. Comes down hard on MASKS4ALL as a misinformation campaign; on the New York Times for disseminating this wrong info; on the CDC for “documenting” their mandates with ropy evidence that does not show what they say it shows; etc.
And states clearly that cloth and surgical masks don’t protect anyone, neither source nor recipient.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/sites/default/files/public/downloads/special_episode_masks_6.2.20_0.pdf

Unfortunately, he has trimmed a bit since then, possibly because of a wrangle with the well-dodgy Masks4All crew:

Again, I want to make it very clear that I support the use of cloth face coverings by the general public. I wear one myself on the limited occasions I’m out in public. In areas where face coverings are mandated, I expect the public to follow the mandate and wear them.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/07/commentary-my-views-cloth-face-coverings-public-preventing-covid-19

I saw this and I think the relevant phrase here is “I expect the public to **follow the mandate** and wear them.” Obviously he has to be careful within the political context. But the logic is quite circular.

Earlier he stated that of course once the CDC issues their guideline, which he stated quite clearly was dodgy, local entities had little choice but to go along with it. He also stated clearly that scientists are coming under pressure, including peer pressure. Why should he be excluded from that? He is caught in the same trap. Now he is basically admitting that he also has to go along with the mandate to avoid trouible—maybe even losing his job.

He walks a fine line.I think the situ is obvious to all who actually follow his posts—he has to recant enough to stay in business. Just as he followed the posts of the CDC, etc. To me this constant posistion changing, when there has been no change in the scientific data and it remains clear, is just more evidence that the mask wearing is part of a political, not a medical, agenda.

Good work AG and allies.

Postcard from Aldeburgh

It was my wife’s birthday yesterday and we went for a day at the coast. Aldeburgh was pretty busy and the first thing we noticed was the massive queue for the fish & chip shop. Luckily we’d bought our own lunch.

There were a few mask wearers about but they were in the minority. Why would you were a mask outdoors on a sunny day?

I wanted some beer from the Adnams shop. I wandered in and was told they were full (only 4 people in there) and should wait outside. Almost thought “sod it” but I waited until some customers had left and then was allowed in. Was told to use the hand sanitiser. I got in trouble for picking up some beers and then changing my mind – had to put them on the floor by the till so they could presumably be quarantined.

Normally I love beer shopping but this didn’t feel enjoyable at all. If I’d had to wear a mask as well it would be unbearable. So I’m not visiting any more shops until all these stupid measures have been removed.

Oh and today I’m suffering a bit from sunburn!

Oh God no, I would’ve walked out.

Theme tune suggestion for tomorrow: Submission by the Sex Pistols

“I’m on a submarine mission with you baby, I can’t get enough of your watery love…”

From Toby’s summary
“Finally, NHS workers with beards have been asked to shave them off because if they don’t their masks won’t work, according to the Nursing Times . Does this mean the Government will soon slap a ban on beards, with police empowered to issue on-the-spot fines? Won’t go down well in Hoxton.”

Seriously – with the number of Sikh and Muslims employees within the NHS who have beards for religious or cultural reasons, this should be interesting. Are they going to make it compulsory? Will there be religious exemptions? Whole can of worms being opened here. Are they seriously going to ask a Sikh or a muslim with a 10inch beard to shave it off? Good luck with that one!!!

Agree. Wait till we get to mandatory vaccines.

Not me, they can take a hike off a tall building.

With no safety net.

Noticed a mask perched on top of one fulsome beard yesterday one of the sughts of 2020. Completely useless – I know clean shaven masks are useless to – this was an extra level.

Also there is a fine, fine thing I notice around town. Asian muslim establishments are not washed of brain. They are free with facial expression and use of oxygen clearly more important than observing silly little politicians diktats. Really something to admire. Perhaps it is illustrative of a divide already present. Its a cultural duversity that is most enjoyable.

just the usual “your rules dont apply to us… ” attitude that the authorities ignore because they dont want to be accused of racism

Perleeese!!

Whiny little Englander stuff isn’t what will counter the stamp of jackboots.

not at all.. there are many examples of people going their own way. I am happy that they are visibly treating these rules with disdain – as i am T he main criticism is regarding how the authorities generally deal with differing cultures but if this means these breaches will be overlooked and it makes the rest of the population also ignore them then all the better

TROLL ALERT!

I think its fair to say these rules shouldn’t apply to any of us.
Speaking with three separate shops who I regard as friends the attitude is no dufferent to mine – its effing nuts to wear masks and lockup etc. Not an attitude of superiority. I’m impressed by the unassuming confidence to say bollocks to bad laws. I am sure there will be other muslims with all kinds of attitudes. It is noticable as I say how dispersed muslim businesses are acting as skeptics. I’m not talking a particular area – this is city wide. It’s truly good.

But they do want to be accused of discriminating against the disabled and inciting violence against them?

Yeh right I can see that happening, they’ll be given a special dispensation!

And if they have exemptions saying masks won’t work with beards then what’s the point of anyone else wearing them either?

i doubt they would ask those who have beards on religious/culturaal grounds to remove them – they’ll be exempt i suspect. it’ll probably be like sikhs don’t have to wear a helmet on a bike if have a turban on.

Doesn’t this beg the question, what have they been doing for the last century or so? If you’ve had an op or procedure done by a surgeon or consultant with a beard have they been negligent in their PPE all this time?

Who will be there to record these encounters and tweet them out?

I’ve already leafleted my local shops pointing out that they are under no obligation to enforce the nappy-law (it is the customer’s liability only); and that a customer does not have to give the shopkeeper any explanation, nor provide any evidence for ‘reasonable excuse’, not to wear a face mask (too, you can ‘self-certify’ – so no need to bother our busy doctors if you want to provide medical exemption).
More subversively, I’m considering stickering any Covid-Nazi shop-posters ‘refusing entry without a mask’ with a yellow star – I expect those of us who had family fighting in the 2nd World War will get the point. (You can get these at a stationary store; or make your own from sticky white labels, paint with yellow acrylic).
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Ok up to yellow star bit – I wouldn’t do that. Maybe instead a ‘Not all disabilities are visible’ sticker.

How about a Swastika

Well that may be in breach of Godwin’s Law?

From wikipedia:
Godwin’s law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship , fallaciously miscasting an opponent’s argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate. [10] Mike Godwin himself has also criticized the overapplication of Godwin’s law… “I wanted folks who glibly compared someone else to Hitler to think a bit harder about the Holocaust .”

The yellow star (in this case not with a ‘J’ on it) is a reminder of the Holocaust, how the Nazi’s came to power, and how the German people allowed it – “ “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”― Edmund Burke.

This is what our families fought for – to keep the country free from the evils of a dictatorship.

I am thinking along the lines of a poster with a masked human and the words: “Face Of Fascism 2020”

Perhaps plaster all the mask-Nazi shops with those instead?

I still like the pitchfork idea . . .

My allusion to Godwin’s Law was a somewhat flippant comment! Clearly there are some situations in which the comparison is apt.

Everyone knows that the Nazis were bad, but not everyone realises that they rose largely out of the ashes of a destroyed economy. Which is where we are heading of course. My fear is that Nazi analogies may become far more apt than hey are now.

Perhaps a sticker with ‘Heil’ on it?

Or one with ‘V’ or ‘Victory’ on it? (too subtle, perhaps?)

‘V’ easily done and universally understood.

Hi, TJN:
It’s not about disabilities; it’s about civil liberties.
Many of our families fought against the Nazis so that our country could be free – it would be a betrayal of what they stood for to meekly accept these diktacts from shopkeepers and government.

Hi James,

Yes, I agree entirely with your reply. But it’s my feeling that Star of David analogies are something we should be careful of. What those people went through is beyond compare.

Yes, understand your sensitivities to this, TJN. It takes some thinking through, and I can see that if they don’t then people might misinterpret it, and Jewish people might see it as an insult to their sufferings to adopt this as a protest symbol too lightly.
Has anyone a better idea on how to make this Civil Liberties point without giving offence to those who have suffered?

Yes, I think you’ve captured my thoughts on this – I’m not Jewish but I wonder if some Jews might find the allusion distressing. I feel as if we have a winning hand here, on the muzzles business, and that the next step is to get more people on side, until we reach a critical mass of civil disobedience.

I can also understand why some shops might feel in a bit of a bind, not being able to keep everyone happy (e.g. lots of unmuzzled customers may irritate the muzzles), and therefore they feel the need to tread a fine line.

I should have said, well done for leafleting those shops.

Thanks, TJN. Leafleting the shops might have done the trick. Had a friendly word at both Sainsbury’s and the Co-op locally today about not wearing a mask – said I won’t be wearing a mask and gave no reason why – but both indicated they wouldn’t be bothering customers on this.

Had a similar thing at two independent shops near me this morning. Seemed surprised I even asked. Clearly they don’t give a toss.

Might be a major distraction requiring much too much explaination and a detour into the twilight zone.
I would come up with your own symbol.
Angry pitchfork still available!! People’s revolt against the PTB.

… although this is the way it started.

I suspect some people will just wonder if the shop owners are Jews and miss the point completely – or it could trigger another, unintended, problem.

I made an allusion to my MP that science shows (to the same level as face masks!) that people with big noses spread more droplets than small nose people. Therefore shouldn’t – for the common good – all big nose people be segregated to their own communes.

The only real way to get this reversed is to only shop where face masks are not enforced – and shop online otherwise. If it hits shops hard enough – it will have to be reversed.

LOL. Another excellent idea.

Not powerful enough. The star is a massive statement. It reminds us how brutal and violent totalitarianism is. Your suggestion is fine but it isn’t defiant. It doesn’t say beware: this is just the beginning. The discrimination will grow expansively.

Yes, but the problem isn’t the shops, or even the masks or lockdown. It’s a Parliament that has done sweet FA to prevent, question or even comment on this. I can’t goad my own MP into making any comments on muzzles, in favour or against. He has said and done nothing, just sat on a fence (a very comfortable one, as I understand it, down here in Devon).

Fundamentally, it’s Parliament and MPs who are the problem. The MSM are chaff. Shops are in the cross fire.

And without Parliament we have executive totalitarianism – prats like Hancock making up decrees on the hoof which we are all supposed to adhere to. If anyone needs marking up it’s our MPs.

I think we would have to wear the stars, not stick them on shops where they could be badly misinterpreted.

Heard on the radio that face masks are mandated to pick up a take away. Like that’s going to happen at the local kebab shop

Progress, the customers are now more deadly than the donner. As our host has pointed out you probably wake up next morning with most of the vague symptoms.

I’m surprised people are making face nappies out of t shirts when you can make two out of every old bra. (My husband is the model -not that either of us are wearing muzzles)

im sorry but he looks like a right tit

or left , cant really tell

It is the right!

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Not it’s a right one!

Ha ha!
Seriously, that is the problem with the new “molded” brassieres.
What happened to the decent M&S cotton models?
Showing my age, I guess. When I lived in jolly old England . . .

Readers wives

Just shown Mr TT. He said he was just thinking this earlier, so we could have either a his and hers or indeed, a shared couple version (the youngsters might want to take note as they are no longer allowed to be in close proximity to each other!)

And perfect solution for Siamese twins . . .

You haven’t read the advice have you?. There is no need to cover your eyes

That’s next week

only if you are looking at the picture

i tried that but my tits are of generous proportions and the cup too large for my face! i thought in a dire emergency i could take my bra off and shove it on my face – would get a few looks i imagine (but think i’m past caring what people think of me frankly!)

My son suggested we convert one of these:

https://www.pinkqueen.com/Womens-Minions-Printed-Top-Side-Tie-Bottom-Bikini-Set-Yellow-g76640?currency=GBP&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlKD24tzj6gIVj7d3Ch2RbwmOEAQYASABEgIlcfD_BwE

Warning – it’s quite an eyeful.

love it – get one of those bras and stick on my snout – would be highly amusing! i think the trick is to wear something that kindof meets the requirements but is so blazenly anti or provocative just to wind people up!

Professor Carl Heneghan’s Spectator article linked in ‘Round-up’ is excellent, thanks. ‘Even in a purely hypothetical situation that the virus is not circulating, a test specificity of 99.9 per cent would be associated with an expected number of positive tests that is approximately equal to what we observed over the entire study period.’ (ONS)

Re masks, just watched this excellent unherd interview with Carl H and another Oxford scientist calmly presenting why there’s no evidence that masks outside a clinical setting are effective. But most notable is what they say about the inability to test this theory now – as the cases of Co Vid in population are so low, would have to test many, many thousands. So, Why are we still calling this a killer virus? As we all know, there’s no doubt now the crisis is of our own making and a lie. The Emperor has been naked for a while – and he’s still starkers. Just don’t understand why others cannot see it and most importantly, why MSM isn’t reporting it.

https://twitter.com/bristolbeing/status/1286181014772080642?s=12

excerpt from email from local council (on the mail list due to previous bins issue)

From this Friday (24 July), you must follow the government’s guidelines and wear a face covering in shops, supermarkets, public transport and hospitals.
Additionally, we are making it mandatory for everyone visiting  Libraries to wear a face covering.
This is for your safety and that of our staff. A face covering may protect others and helps to reduce the spread of coronavirus .
Librarie s are open but with reduced opening hours.
Here’s a reminder of what you need to know when visiting:
Wear a face covering
Use the hand sanitiser unit at the entrance to each library
↔️ Follow the directional signage for social distancing
Only return, browse & borrow books
Keep your visit to around 15 min, to ensure everyone has a chance to access the service
The use of public computers, printing, photocopying and all Council First Point services will NOT be available
Reminder – wear face masks in shops and supermarkets from Friday From Friday 24 July, it will be mandatory to wear a face covering when:

• in supermarkets and shops
• using public transport
• visiting a hospital

Remember to wash or sanitise your hands when putting on, or removing your face covering. Disposable face covers need to be bagged and placed in your waste bin – NOT in your recycling bin! Reusable face coverings should be washed regularly.
Exemptions include young children, people with breathing difficulties and people living with a disability.

Why am i imagining a dalek saying “exterminate!”
they do provide a link to the government guidelines so people could see the “cause distress” exemption get out but how many will read that!

Ignore the effin’ lot.

I’ve already had a row with our library and won’t be using it ever again. Besides if you cannot browse what is the bloody point!

Keep your visit to around 15 min, to ensure everyone has a chance to access the service

Like people are going to be queuing up in droves!

I think people will just boycott their libraries as well and just buy books off Amazon.

If people are putting paper masks in their recycling bin, it means the entire lorry-load will have to go to landfill.

This is the sort of public service info that could usefully be broadcast!

The half wit is going to Scotland today. Lets hope he fecking stays there

Is it a ruse? Is he going to fly from Prestwick to a country with no extradition agreement with the UK?

Which one?

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

Don’t confuse us all with actual facts or we might start to question the words of the Almighty which would be heresy.

HSE did a study back in 2008 and found surgical masks allowed ‘flu virus through, they only had a decent reduction with proper respirators: https://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrhtm/rr619.htm but hen again, why would the government even think about considering research by their own Health and Safety Executive?

In a previous BBC interview, I noticed the interviewer was desperate to get Lord Sumption to admit he had broken lockdown rules – which he declined to do at that time.

I suspect that they have a plan to discredit him with headlines if he does admit to it.

He has since admitted he has broken some rules as he sees them as absurd.

Ms Munchetty didn’t like that bit of speaking truth to power!

Once the Government received the Ferguson model predicting 500k deaths if they did nothing, the die was cast and lockdwon was inevitable. Why do i say this?

Let’s imagine two scenario’s:

(a) The government had not done lock-down and deaths were 60k but the nhs functioned normally and the peak came and went – just like in Sweden. They still made the fuckups with the care homes and they still cancelled non-lifesaving operations as a precaution.

(b) The government acted as it has, followed the model and we have 45k deaths + the fuckups + the backlog due to cancelled operations.

Now we get to the public enquiry.

In scenario A the government are responsible for 30k deaths because they didn’t lock down when advised – even thought the total is 85% less than that predicted by the mode. For evidence of this I submit that there are already attempts to pin the ‘one week’ delay between getting the SAGE advice and implementing lockdown on them for us having a high death count – imagine the pressure had we not locked down at all.

In Scenario B the government can reasonably claim they saved up to 250k lives despite the discredited model because they locked down, but they did so ‘reluctantly’ and with a ‘heavy heart’ for our freedoms in order to ‘save lives’.

So you see it was inevitable. Government killing it’s own citizens vs heroically saving lives. There was only ever one choice once they got that model whether it is bollocks or not, it is the impression that counts not the facts, particularly when you have a rabid left-wing press out to crucify you at any opportunity.

I showed my ‘Diabilty Mask Exempt’ card to a woman whose Asperger daughter and Learning Difficulties son aree very worried about wearing masks. She immediately ordered 3 from Amazon, one each & a spare.

I recall reading somewhere yesterday that the secret Joint Biosecurity Centre, set to take over all of SAGE’s activities, will report into the government via Dido Harding. Does anyone know if that is that true?

Perhaps you have been away on holiday:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/senior-civil-servant-and-former-lecturer-in-medical-statistics-appointed-to-joint-biosecurity-centre

Oh FFS. Even the Covid tracker app is showing a drop in cases nationally to below 1,900 a day. Why is this torture continuing? I am really ready to break. I’m wasting hours to sheer anxiety.

As far as I can see they are now aiming for complete eradication, so it won’t be ending any time soon.

Since the eradication idea is a nonsense … you can work out the implications for timescales.

The Spectator article linked in ‘Round-Up’ shows that there will always be false positives so elimination is impossible. It also shows that all the current positives are likely false.

You and many many others feel like this too. Its just that we are all so compartmentalised now we wouldn’t know that. GO NOW and do something nice today. Go for a walk or a cycle, do some gardening, sit in the park and have a pic-nik.

Try to find some faith that the people will work this one out for themselves eventually and that the bastards who have done this too us will be pilloried in the near future. Look forward to this and being on the right side of truth, justice and liberty.

These bastards can’t stop the time.

I’m not knocking the idea of ‘Doing something nice’ – but the problem with this induced situation is that it has little to do with temporary alleviation – even if that helps.

The point is not that I can still, for instance, go for a walk or enjoy our comparatively fortunate situation of having a comfortable house and a good garden and lots of things to do.

No – the point is that I am still in a prison,in a country which has become one large totalitarian entity run by the insane (by normal standards) emulating the Stasi or Brownshirts.

I’m really beyond the point of doing something nice. I’m now at the point that if lamp posts were being repurposed I would very likely be in the crowd cheering. That is a truly frightening thought. This is what we’re being pushed to by these idiots.

In the crowd cheering? I’d be hauling on the rope.
There’s a description in A Tale if Two Cities that used to horrify me. Now I relish it.

Im with you.I cannot see how they can roll back the use of masks.There seems to be no end

I sympathise. Take a day, or several, completely free from news, even from us. Go out into the country, or anywhere that’s quiet and sane, or if you prefer, just have a lie-in and listen to your favourite music, or watch a favourite dvd, or read a favourite book. Drink p,enty. Eat well. Remember: THEY. hate happiness and enjoyment. So give them what they hate.

My family are, unfortunately, Covoids and assured me that the UK is seeing 20,000 infections a day. I am half thinking of moving house and changing my phone number.

I don’t blame you I think I would too. I have a sister who didn’t step outside her door for 3 months or more. Her husband does all the shopping, she’s always been a bit of a hypochondriac. I hear she’s booked a holiday abroad so she’s obviously feeling less fearful.

Does the app record every sneeze and hungover headache as covid?

“ Meanwhile, in North Korea …”

I jest not … Last night (before reading this), I dreamed I was escaping from North Korea.

The effects of this insanity often emerge symbolically in sleep – as others have noted.

I dream of escaping to North Korea

personally I`d choose Sweden to escape to.

Yes – much better than becoming a state of the US, given the intention of giving away sovereignty to Trumpland.

me too

especially since big brother keeps telling us how bad it is over there

I have today decided we do not have democracy in this county.
A local farm shop has been a relative bastion semi painless shopping but this morning all the staff are now masked up zombies.

I asked the girl at the till “are they now making you wear those”

She replied “ we feel hypocritical when everyone else has to”

This sends totally the wrong message. It’s like telling someone it’s safe to go on holiday but you had better wear a bullet proof vest.

The masked up Covidiots just have their fear reinforced and the vicious cycle continues.

Vote time
Thumbs up = the entire parliament (con and lab) have been utter useless shits and this will be a generational lasting economic and social disaster #prayfor_asteroidstrikeonparliament
Thumbs down – “this will be over by christmas”

E mail to my MP

Dear Tom
We are utterly opposed to the compulsory wearing of masks in shops or elsewhere. This, as with other policies such as the 14 day travel quarantine, may have been useful during the height of the pandemic, but is now in our view a complete overreaction and will serve only to prolong the economic and social damage caused by the lockdown. The level of infections is now so small that there can be no justification for it. The government needs to take steps to restore public confidence.
Yours Sincerely
Bill Hickling/ Helen Holt

Pinched a bit of that to include in my email to my MP. Sadly the MPs don’t seem to give a stuff. I’d like to say I’d vote against him, but since elections are suspended I doubt he’ll care about that either

I reckon we should place (imaginary) bets on how long it’ll take before we see some sort of disorder or violence regarding masks, whether in person or in the news. My guess is it’ll be before the weekend is over.

As my mum works for Sainsbury’s, I’m also intrigued to see who snaps first; a customer or member of staff. My money is on some sanctimonious prick of a customer

Definitely, supermarket workers are the ones we should be applauding for just getting on with it (no time to spare for sanctimonious TikToking)

Supermarkets took no time out at all, chucked in some perspex, a few stickers on the floor, made it a nightmare with queuing and the like, but stayed open.

School unions meanwhile, somehow couldn’t find a way to open in 4 months – sod the kids’ education hey!

And the fact that no evidence has been found anywhere in the world of a child at school infecting a teacher.

Thats because they get paid regardless whether they teach or not. We need an education voucher scheme…then if pupils are not taught parents dont redeem their voucher and the buggers go unpaid.

It happened in France recently – a bus driver was assaulted and later died because he tried to enforce mask-wearing. I know nothing about the perpetrators though, but I guess you were alluding more to the muzzle zealots attacking someone.

The number of dispersal orders are rising

I’m actually really worried about my mum. She’s 82 and says she won’t wear a mask to shop – she genuinely does feel extreme anxiety. I am worried that she will get lynched in Sainsbury’s by some sanctimonious muzzealot. She doesn’t want to shop online as she likes to get out – she is fit and healthy. I’ve told her what she needs to say, but I’m worried that there are some really nasty people out there that will follow Ms Dick’s insane advice.

My dad is quite deaf and will now be completely unable to understand what people are saying to him as he relies heavily on lip reading. I worry for him too.

Your mother will be fine. She must either ignore them or tell them to go away.

With a few fs and cs in for good measure!

We may need to bet together for safety. Bear it in mind.

I had a similar conversation serving a customer in Sainsbury’s today. She had been wearing a mask but took it off and started complaining to me about how warm and uncomfortable it was making her face, so I gave her the talk: “Just don’t bother with it. Here are all the ways in which you can claim to be exempt and Sainsbury’s has no power to enforce the rule, &c.”

She went on to say that she wasn’t worried about employees telling her off but was instead worried about being chased and hounded by gangs of zealots. That, to me, represents an irrational fear of a different kind, but there wasn’t much I could say to convince her that it wouldn’t happen, or that she should take pride in standing up to the muzzle Stasi if it did.

I’ll chaperone them if they live near Lichfield.

If there’s a y disorder I shall cheer.
I can’t believe I just said that. Ma, a law-abiding citizen – when there was such a thing as a citizen, with a citizen’s rights.I know now how revolutions happen.

One has to laugh — Jeremy Kyle show – Dawn Butler is on. Apparently she is on the parliament’s “science and technology” committee. to which i thought wtf. Then in the discussion she said “I am not a scientist….” She also confirmed that mask wearing was for psychological reasons when confronted with info that masks dont stop the virus.

She’s not a scientist? Who knew?

If they admit it is purely psychological then surely should be 100% voluntary regardless?

Exactly. Even Dr. Osterholm said he wears a mask to shop, but ONLY because it makes others feel better . . .
So, there is NOTHING to it. The mask zealots have nothing to fall back on when informed of the relevant evidence, namely, none for mask wearing.
They double down on guilt-tripping and accusing one of being a Trump supporter. It is incredible.

If my memory serves, the government have always said masks are for “confidence”.

It’s the “scientists” who suddenly started to claim that masks can stop viruses.

Correctly remembered.

And these are called out by Dr. Osterholm.

Psychological reasons my ar&e! The are muzzles, chains, a leash to control us.

The control IS psychological!

What psychological reasons did she state?

she is an MP – you expect reasons? none but the assumption was that it was the standard comment that wearing masks makes people feel safe

Just had a chat with our lovely window cleaner. He’s on our side too and told me he is planning a holiday in September, he knows we are off tomorrow. We talked about muzzle wearing and how it would be compulsory tomorrow. Not for me it won’t, I told him, as I am claiming exemption. He wasn’t aware that there were exemptions, so I put him right. Keep chipping away.
Next, a chat with the very pleasant lady in the PO while she was checking grandson’s passport renewal form. One man muzzled at the next counter and another with what looked like a big rubber fish on his face waiting outside. Again our talk got on to masks and how horrible they were. I said that I had watched a Spanish scientist conducting experiments with masks worn by various people. She rubbed them onto petri dishes and left them for a while. The results were horrific-streptococcus and a whole host of bacteria that I had never heard of. Keep chipping away.
Finally, a response from my MP who tells me that he is making representations on my behalf to the PM regarding the effect that compulsory wearing of masks will have on local businesses. He has also asked the Dept. of Transport for their risk assessments in place for wearing face masks for long periods of time. Have they even done one yet? Keep chipping away.

Good chipping! That is the encouraging noise from an MP I have neard.

Chipping Camden. Chipping Norton.

That s very positive. My chat with neighbour s window cleaner yesterday (turns out like me he dislikes dishwater coffee so I made him a strong one) was almost the complete opposite. He was only young 20s but seemed to have been completely brainwashed. He and his girlfriend had only just started meeting up again but came home early from a date in nearby pretty riverside theatre town as there were too many people not social distancing ..he said it was just too scary. He seemed to take everything I had to say and discard it. He just wanted to perpetuate the cycle of fear. How can rational intelligent people be so blind to it all? Although he wasn t keeping his distance and didn t sanitise before or after touching the cup I handed him. maybe a chink of hope?

Thus us the cotton wool generation. Never been challenged, never taken any risks, never done a thing for themselves, never been asked to exercise their grey matter,
.
Darwin’s law will thin ’em out.

Never left home either lol.

There really is no hope for much of the young…I know…I teach them!

Chink of hope? No he’s just a dope!

Gold star for your MP!

Yes to the mooted People’s Public Inquiry. I will volunteer to be a dogs body and/or gopher with no skills to be able to contribute in the intellectual activities.

For historical purposes if nothing more (and there is so much more) I feel the adults of our world need to put a marker down. A notice to the future that reasonable people did speakout/standup against the tyranny.

If needed, I’m a dab hand at photocopying

We make a fine team then – I can carry bundles about. That’s my specialism!

I’m good on a keyboard (& can bake cakes)

I can answer the phone – anything more technically challenging than a phone then I’ll have to go and have a lie down.

You’re in!

Was Stalin the last Dictator to advocate a policy of denying food to a large section of the population?

Just received a message from a friend who’s a hospital nurse in Ethiopia. Her collegues at the Covid ward are treating patients with cough sirop…that’s how lethal this virus is!

In the Worldometer stats, the UK is reporting 500-800 ish new cases a day. Looking at countries with comparable new cases, they have an order of magnitude lower number of daily deaths. We are also carrying out and order of magnitude more tests. I don’t understand. If the UK is carrying out far more testing, then I would expect us to find more marginal, less severe, cases, and hence have a lower death rate than the other countries. Also, countries with similar daily deaths are reporting many thousands of new cases per day. Are we getting our data wrong, or is everyone else?

Best wishes to all in England ahead of tomorrow’s mask tyranny. I hope we see more grit and backbone than we managed north of the border.

Boris should be sectioned! Is there no one in the Establishment that thinks our Human Rights are being trashed? With all the lawyers in politics is there no one to halt this insanity? Are they all in this Scam?

In my view senior politicians are either in it or think they are. Ordinary MPs don’t seem to have a clue what’s going on. Whatever the level of politician, a totalitarian group-think has them in its grasp.courtesy of SPI-B.and, above them, whoever is really pulling the strings.

With very few exceptions, as we know, it’s the same story in every country. They have even got Trump in a muzzle now.

Yep, my (Tory) MP is a cretin. When prodded he always emits the same bleat: “I support the government.”

Most new Tory MPs are just Blairite dross.

He’s paid very handsomely to support them. What do you expect, that he’d act on behalf of his constituents?

I am contacting supermarkets to ask if I can enter their stores with out a mask. I need to get some shopping for my Mom tomorrow so doing this for practical reasons. So far responses in case useful to others. Mark & Spenser’s say everyone will have to wear a mask with no exemptions (even when I challenged with gov exemption reasons) – told me police would be enforcing and fining – very unfriendly! Sainsburys however say came back in minutes on facebook messager with “we won’t be challenging customers without a mask when they enter or when they are in store since they may have a reason not to wear a mask”. Asda can’t and won;t ever be able to answer the question fyi “ Due to the high volume of calls we are currently receiving we are not able to monitor this mailbox at present. We apologise for any inconvenience caused by this” as too busy.

Spread the word: Boycott M&S. They don’t deserve anyone’s custom with a attitude like that!

M&S aka Militant & Snobby

Byeeeeee

You should send M and S Francis Hoar’s tweet (Simon Dolan’s lawyer). Twitter.com@Francis_Hoar.
It makes it clear that if you refuse entry to disabled people you are prima facie liable to them under the equality act. He cites the example of those for whom masks would cause “serious distress”. Even if the person does not tell the shop that they have an exemption, Hoar says it is unlikely to be a defence for the shop. “By the nature of their disability, someone with depression (etc) will be reluctant to tell you about it. Indeed, being asked in itself is likely to exacerbate fear symptoms”
”The only way a shop can avoid the risk of many expensive law suits is to order its staff not in any circumstances to ask why a person is not wearing a mask and not to bar entry if they aren’t”

Out of my experience of four, I found M&S most “militaristic” during the lockdown, they went as far as physically enforce through mandatory trolleys and “wardens” social distancing in the store (they won’t even let you enter an isle if there were two(? can’t recall exactly) people already there!)… needless to say, I just walked out when I saw how ridiculous they conducted themselves.

I didn’t even bother going into Tesco when I saw that while they had hardly anyone inside, they had a long dense queue outside, when I said to them that there is patently a more significant risk of catching something waiting in a static queue than in a seemingly “abandoned” shop I was told I didn’t have to wait nor go in; well, thanks for telling me the obvious, cretins!

Waitrose were a bit stiff at first, but pretty soon even the staff abandonned PPE for most part (I suspect their policy toward the staff was “if it makes you feel better, wear something,” and hardly any shop floor staff do). Now, I perceive the Waitrose I go to to be on par with Sainsbury Local (or whatever they name them) who so far are the most laid back about this sheer idiocy (ironically, they’re next door to M&S!).

M&S have been struggling financially for years. This could be the end of the road. I agree with those who say that it’s probably illegal as they will be breaching government guidelines.

And good riddance.

M and s have taken a decision to protect their profits by creating a ‘covid-safe’ zone that their main customer demograph can rely upon – this is how it feels to me. The staff were chatty unmasked before mand masks. After mand masks I have not entered because of door staff.

Wrong decision. Bye bye M & S.

On the few occasions I have been into M&S since this lunacy started, one striking thing I have noticed is that the average age of M&S customers is around 20-30 years higher than average age of customers in other supermarkets. Many more muzzles being worn as a result but this could perhaps be why M&S are more militaristic with it all, given the vulnerability of their customer base. Not to mention all the wealthy middle-class Karens that the shop attracts who will want all this rubbish enforced to the hilt. Perhaps a generalisation but M&S definitely has a much more unpleasant vibe than other supermarkets.

Its expensive and older people have more money. Not everyone likes being ripped off though.

Hear back from Waitrose ( We are not required to enforce the face coverings law, nor will we challenge our customers; that responsibility lays with the police.  We will not be asking for proof of exemption from the new face covering requirement”). and Tesco response “ Please be assured our staff will not challenge you about a face mask, this isn’t for Tesco to enforce.” So for now at least I can still shop outside!

Stuff M and S then…..their cafes are shite anyway.

Received this morning an E-mail from ‘Bettys’ tea rooms in Harrogate concerning their reopening, Bettys is an institution in Yorkshire and my wife and myself have been patrons for many years.
Here’s my reply:

Thank you for your E-mail. I note with interest that you’re doing your best to accommodate the Government’s ridiculous ‘rules’ regarding social distancing, markers on floor, sanitising etc. but my wife and I will not be coming to Betty’s to be treated as if we have the plague.
We have always enjoyed our visits to your cafe but we will NOT to visiting again until and unless you get back to ‘normal’. Sorry, but that’s the way it is with us and I’m sure we’re not alone.

There is a large and increasing groundswell of opinion that is saying enough is enough with this ridiculous charade. Rather than trying to jump through every evidence free hoop that this government hands down, businesss like yours should be getting together and pushing back. We seem to have reached a position whereby witchcraft and superstition have replaced common sense and logic. I don’t believe that you really think that footprints on the floor will help protect against a non existent killer virus. But they sure as hell will be contributing to the destruction of very many companies, businesss and livelihoods. I ask you? What decent self respecting person wants to pay good money to be treated worse than an untouchable?
Hoping you survive this government induced abolition of our economy but it won’t be with our patronage under current conditions.

Regards,
Harry Hopkins

Always felt I was being ripped off there, then again it’s a free country,,.. oops no it’s not

Buy a couple of cakes from Gregs, walk into Bettys whilst eating them and ask to be seated. Tell them you won’t eat their food as it could be virused up. Threaten to call the police if they refuse

They are a rip off I agree.

I wrote something along these lines to my hairdresser who has proudly been e-mailing to advise of the Covid security measures – hazmat suits and face nappies. The terse reply received advised me that if I didn’t want to hear any more from them I should unsubscribe from their mailing list. Better find myself another hairdresser then!

Should be a pleasure! Tell ’em where they can stick their brushes!

And their scissors too lol.

Well, n ow I cut my own hair. Much quicker and cheaper. I always had to “fix” the haircut anyhow. It is pretty easy to cut one’s own hair if shoulder length. Especially if one has a bit of a wave.
There are also very good basic instructions out there on how to cut hair. Just get a good-quality pair of hair-cutting scissors.

Excellent!

Well said. I am so utterly sick of all these business’s just slavishly following every nonsense that the government puts out, without any apparent thought to the logic of it all, and indeed the impact on their trade. Why on earth do none of them want to push back?
The other week we went out for a meal with friends, where apart from the waitress who was muzzled, all was fairly normal. However a surreal moment occurred when, having ordered drinks from the table, the waitress brought the tray across, but instead of setting our drinks down for us, put the tray on the table and said due to the virus, we would have to pick up our glasses from it ourselves. Completely bonkers, unless of course she had levitated the drinks onto the tray in the first place without handling them herself?? I really despair.
I will not be wearing a mask anywhere at all, already told my hairdresser I couldn’t, which was accepted without issue. And anywhere I have been that wanted to know personal details for ‘track and trace’ have I’m afraid, been given totally erroneous information. They can get stuffed!

Well here’s another pointless distraction for Boris:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/07/23/boris-bridge-linking-scotland-northern-ireland-could-essential/

A bridge linking Scotland and Northern Ireland could become as critical a part of UK infrastructure as the M25, a Cabinet minister has said.
Boris Johnson is expected to announce his decision to finance a feasibility study into the construction of a bridge between the two nations during his visit to Scotland on Thursday.
Brandon Lewis, the Northern Ireland Secretary, told Sky News on Thursday morning that the so-called ‘Boris Bridge’ would boost connectivity for the regions and was “a good thing, not just for Scotland and Northern Ireland, but for the whole of our economy”.
It was an “exciting project”, Mr Lewis added, noting that big infrastructure projects like this were always “controversial, difficult but the right thing to do”.

I did’nt know the Torygraph was much into satire, so what on earth did Brandon Lewis have for breakfast?

I think we need a reversal of who is locked down in an asylum.

Bridges + Mr Toad = Fantastic waste of space and money.

Meanwhile, this headline ought to be hilarious, except that its consequences aren’t.

UK’s mixing of messages on coronavirus arose ‘almost by accident’, MPs find
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/23/uks-mixing-of-messages-on-coronavirus-arose-almost-by-accident-mps-find

And this about sums it all up:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/23/uk-failed-to-plan-for-economic-impact-of-flu-like-pandemic-says-watchdog

There was an “astonishing” failure by government to plan for the economic impact of a possible flu-like pandemic, parliament’s financial watchdog has said.
MPs on the cross-party public accounts committee concluded that government schemes were drawn up “on the hoof” in mid-March by Rishi Sunak’s Treasury, weeks after the first case of coronavirus was detected in the UK. The delay risked leaving sectors of the UK economy behind, according to a report published on Thursday…..

“We are astonished by the government’s failure to consider in advance how it might deal with the economic impacts of a pandemic,” the committee said in a statement.

A ‘flu like pamdemic’ so if it’s the flu why is the country being bankrupted and people locked indoors?

Answers on a postcard please

Over halfway now. Wonder how many signatures will be added once people realise just how shitty masks are to wear?

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430

Thank you, kbeanie – have signed and shared the petition.

Can you help me get clarity on the issue of the legality of the face mask mandate?

In his statement to the House, Matt Hancock stated that it would be law.
Is it? Will it be? Is it a change to the statutory instruments or is it an amendment to an Act of Parliament?
Has there been Parliamentary oversight or is it pushed through the Health Act which turns the Health Secretary into a dictator?

It’s really simple, Ed. They can, and will, do what they want. They just push out SI’s without scrutiny, and certainly without regard for whether they make sense.

E.g., you can’t go into a shop, order a sandwich and sit down. But, you can sit down then order a sandwich. Got it?

Oh, I know Sam. It’s utter madness. Always has been from the very beginning. I have got to the point now where I believe this government is illegitimate and is in opposition to the people.

Better late than never, Ed.

Ha! I’ve thought it from the beginning, really. I’m just saying it ‘out loud’ now.

In the pub staff must muzzle up but you don’t, next door in Tesco it’s the opposite, clear joined up gummerment.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/07/22/parliament-has-ducked-duty-hold-government-account/

According to the DT yesterday:

“There will be no vote either on the extension of public health laws to require the wearing of face coverings in shops from tomorrow. The regulations will only be published today when the House will not be sitting. It is hard to believe that a Government diktat enforcing the wearing of masks is to take effect with nary a peep from parliament.”

That’s what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation.

The opposition have been even more disappointing than the government if that is possible

Opposition? Not one of the bastards has said “Don’t do that” or “Why are you doing this?” or “Time to stop it now”. Not one word from any of them.

No – the best they can come up with is why the Tories aren’t doing more of what they are doing.

We just did our last ‘big shop’ for a couple of weeks. My hope is that the mask hysteria subsides in a week or so, and the idea of enforcement is realised to be completely unworkable.

My grandma (79) has just been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. Yes she is old, but she is otherwise fit, active, looks after herself, no dementia. However, She is a big reader and watcher of mainstream news, failed to go to the doctors when she got extremely ill due to the propaganda. she is too nice, couldn’t bare to be a burden.
Push came to shove, she was taken to a and e, and here we are. I accept that she is old and pancreatic cancer is largely untreatable, but the emotional manipulation is unforgivable.

Yes – Just one personal situation amongst thousands.

There has to be a reckoning – but I don’t know when, given the general widespread gullibility and ignorance.

With muzzles for shopping coming in tomorrow in England to encourage the frightened to come out and shop, I wonder whether an exercise in non muzzle shopping might be a good idea to test Boris’s theory, and the efficacy of the damned things is also widely disputed. Since the centre of London is currently described as a desert why not make Oxford Street from Tottenham Court Road to Marble Arch and Regent Street from Portland Place to Piccadilly Circus a non muzzle shopping area and see over a month whether shopping footfall rises as non muzzlers flock to Central London.

Michael, great point and it could have been done ages ago.

No my plan for the next few years is to try and preserve any wealth I have and pay the absolute minimum in tax. Because that’s going to go skyhigh.

We are fully in the Sunken Cost Fallacy right now.

I have been to Oxford street on a couple of Saturdays (without going into shops) and apart from the odd store they pretty much look like there are more staff than customers and they all have the strict restrictions in place. I think a shopping centre or high street without any of the stupid restrictions would do thriving trade.

“ to encourage the frightened to come out and shop” YouGov poll showed that masks are likely to have a net negative effect on numbers – by 8 percentage points. Anyway, masks have nothing whatever to do with encouraging the frightened and everything to do with perpetuating the Big Lie that covid is dangerous and all this nonsense was necessary. It’s evil. I really don’t think you can ascribe any good intentions to what the government are doing.

Non Muzzle sounds too much like Non Muslim.
Obviously can’t go there.

Just back from the local shell petrol garage with a pint of milk (unleaded)

Young chap inside stocking the fridge – maskless

‘excuse me can you pass me a 2 pinter’

Chap stepped back and beckoned me to take one.

‘it’s ok I’m not contagious, honest’

‘i didn’t think you were but you won’t believe how stupid people are and are scared to come near me’

‘ha, well seeing as you have been working here all this time if it was that dangerous you should be dead’

‘ha right on brother’

Paid at the till, 2 masked 50+ being served, bit of confusion with their order (mostly chocolate, chronically obese, more likely to die from heart attack), she was wearing that can only be described as a dirty nappy he was wearing a manky bit of t-shirt which he didn’t stop fiddling with.

Finally sorted their bill, she was eligible for a free coffee and she kindly offered it to me, politely declined.

On my way out said to young chap how crazy people are re masks.

He couldn’t agree more and not to get him started, same here I said.

Bid farewell with a spring in my step.

Not to get him started – how wonderful to read that!

I wrote another blog post, on Cognitive Dissonance at the End of the Pandemic: https://medium.com/@civitasperegrina/cognitive-dissonance-at-the-end-of-the-pandemic-9d3dcc6bfc99

Unfortunately, for most part people will never experience that. There was a great essay written on the subject of “fear” albeit in Environmental Sciences, but it is so true about COVID-19. A passage from the abstract pretty much sums it all up:

Once a false claim that something awful might happen gets put into the community’s mind it is almost unshakeable, regardless of how clear the science is for the contrary view. A scary claim’s echo bounces around the community and gets heard again from different angles, reinforcing the claim’s grip (“many independent people, including the celebrity witch doctor, think that the rock is a lion, so that’s clearly what it is”).

— Ignorance is contagious (2008)

Every morning I am shocked by what I read in the papers, but the government really seems to be playing with fire when I read things like this in the Telegraph today –

Cressida Dick, the commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, said she hoped people would be “shamed” into leaving stores if they did not comply with the rules to wear masks.
She told LBC radio: “Calling the police should be a last resort for dealing with a mask issue. But the law is a law.
“My hope is that the vast majority of people will comply and people will be shamed into leaving the store.”

To me shaming can easily proceed to violence. This is very sinister stuff from the government, actively turning citizens on each other (it has never turned out well in the past!). I expect they will use the same tactic with the vaccination, truly dystopian.

already been discussed on here (control F on Dick) summary of feelings is that this is promoting harassment (a crime) and also potential breaches of disability discrimination laws in not recognising valid exceptions

Thanks, sorry I didn’t go back far enough on the comments today. Very annoyed at being censored by the Telegraph when I tried to post on their site. Freedom of speech is really being restricted at the moment.

They censor bad language. Not other things, in my experience.

Yes, just about anything considered a swear word within the text will result in a failed attempt to post.

Attacking my Protected Characterstics, that ridiculous concept working for me for once.

Government policy as dictated by Spi-b.Uk Column very good on this

Went to my local Co-op supermarket this morning and, despite new “please wear a face covering” signs on the doors, only one shopper out of about 20, and no staff, were wearing masks. It will be interesting to see what things are like in a weeks time.

I did have an exemption badge with me but didn’t wear it, seeing as the law doesn’t actually start till tomorrow there’s still no obligation to even prove you’re exempt.

It is clear to me that there is a good 80-90% of people not at all interested in wearing masks. I find it hard to believe that tomorrow this will revert to 100% compliance.

Guess we shall see !

I feel a Ceausescu moment looming. Don’t know what will trigger it. Dispersal Orders are rising. I suspect Mrs Dick will run for the hills at the first whiff of grapeshot

Oh, yes, yes!!! I feel that, too!

Hope so

Truly hope so. The trouble is there is more or less consensus media backing of the government actions and they have managed to propagandise the population so well that most of the people I see look like fearful zombies.

I’d like a howitzer please.

Attached to the best tank that money can buy.

I hope so because you can March,write letters sign petitions all you want.The only thing they ever listen to is force.I.e.poll tax,Brixton riots.Short of mass disturbances or their magical vaccine I can never see the end of this.

We live in hope.

Bring out the pitchforks!

I was convinced its October now I’m thinking it might be August – the bank holiday could possibly trigger something.

I have just telephoned Cardiff Bus to ask whether I can use their bus service from Monday (27th), explaining that I am medically exempt from wearing a mask. The person I spoke to said that I will be able to use the bus, he explained that the driver may enquire why I am not wearing a mask – but all I have to do is explain that I am medically exempt.

Just don’t read your newspaper.
Actually, considering the s…t that’s in most of them, it’s probably a good idea anyway.

https://journal.sketchingscience.org/users/333926/articles/460021-living-with-covid-19-balancing-costs-against-benefits-in-the-face-of-the-virus
Lockdown is not cost effective even avoiding the worst scenario Fergusson’s 500 000 deaths. The whole NHS, screening programs etc is built upon quality-adjusted life years (QALY) value of £30,000 (maximum under NICE guidelines). Anything over that is not cost effective and would crowd out other resources for NHS. Any inquiry into the lockdown to conclude that it should have been implemented earlier is meaningless as lockdown is not affordable. What is the costliest in the lockdown? The most likely is the furlough scheme and stop people working. What is most cost effective in social distancing etc? That is the task for any normal public health minded scientist. The price tag is clear and evidence based £30,000. Quotation from article “ Application to potential future scenarios showed in the best case a QALY value of £220k (7xNICE guideline) and in the worst-case £3.7m (125xNICE guideline) was needed to justify the continuation of the lockdown.” This is an impossible sum of money which would wreck the NHS and crowd out all other treatment.
I think this government and all others in the world realize these figures. They all must know it was not cost effective but they cannot survive revealing this. Hence the theatre with masks and threating us with a new lockdown if the sheep are not obedient. How on earth cannot any opposition party realize the golden opportunity to bring down a government making such a disastrous mistake?

They all know they backed the wrong horse but dare not admit it because the result of lockdown is so catastrophic. The whole charade of face nappies, local lockdowns, test and trace is a ludicrous exercise to try and deny the possibility that herd immunity has beaten the virus and our governments have ruined the western world for nothing.

The opposition were equally guilty of going along with it, partly out of incompetence and apathy, partly I suspect because it suited their own agenda. Labour is well positioned to take over next time, as life here will be crap and people will want a change.

And communism will be half installed by then by the tories.

Reassuring stuff

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1286241526587195392?s=20

Unfortunately, I suspect there’s a problem with selection bias there, so I’d take that with a huge grain of salt…

People often moan about things and disagree but 99% will usually go along with any government diktat. The pressure to conform in society is strong and the media enforce the government message no matter how stupid.

Not so sure. Speeding ? Drunk and incapable in town centres ? The sacred weed ?

Great Thanks.
“87% plan to boycott shops that enforce face mask rules from Friday”

Another post on this thread
“Serious question. Why are there no biohazard bins for mask and gloves if this virus is so contagious and deadly”

News just in from Reverso World:

Government acts on mask wearing in public .

There has been an alarming rise in people wearing face masks in shops, building up a concentration of snot, spit and possibly germs on their face. The mask wearers constantly touch their masks and then handle goods in shops, including food.

The Health Secretary said “This is obviously a serious health risk and we will ban masks in shops from Friday 24th July, by law.”

If only!

Once furlough finishes and mass unemployment is upon us along with repossession’s ,debt,and rising prices these same people demanding you wear a mask will be demanding a ban on face coverings due to the violent crime epidemic taking place

Welcome to Tanzania!!

I’ve just returned from my local M&S Food Hall. I’m pleased to report that masks were few and far between. I did overhear a sarcastic comment from a mask-sporting old couple (presumably aimed at me) when I was in the vegetable aisle, but aside from that, everyone was friendly including staff. I didn’t get the impression they’ll be enforcing mask wearing any time soon. I saw one employee wearing a plastic visor but that was all.

Just been in Morrisons, Teesside Park. I would say at least 30% face nappy submission. Obviously they can’t wait for Hell Day, tomorrow.

If any customer in a shop gets ratty with me for not wearing a mask. I will take out my ‘phone and ask for their name and address. If they ask why, I will tell them that I do not have to discuss my medical condition with them and that their harassment of me is an offence under the Equality Act of 2010 and they should expect a letter from my solicitor.

I’m planning something similar, incorporating the phrase ‘hate crime’ should it become necessary

I will just give them my psycho look…they will soon scuttle off!

Face coverings in shops: it’s all about store policy and its reward or punishment – so don’t make excuses to be allowed in

Face coverings in shops: it’s all about store policy and its reward or punishment – so don’t make excuses to be allowed in
frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/07/face-coverings-in-shops-its-all-about-store-policy-and-its-reward-or-punishment-so-dont-make-excuses-to-be-allowed-in/

Really hope this is not the future for any groups or individuals who challenge the government/official narrative. If the government can justify shutting the country indefinitely due to health concerns regarding its citizens, why do they come down like a ton of bricks on anyone who expresses health concerns about the lockdown itself, 5g or vaccines?

“Richie Allen
Howya friends. Little bit of news. I’ve a couple of mates who work for Google. They both must remain anonymous of course. They drip feed me bits of information from time to time. Around four years ago, one of them told me that the demonetisation of alternative news channels would become standard. He was right as I learned when my original YouTube channel, which had nearly 100,000 subscribers, was deleted for no reason, three years ago.
I heard from him this morning. He told me two things. He said that when the covid vaccine is ready, or shortly before then, Google/YouTube is planning to take down thousands of channels that have traditionally hosted open discussion around vaccine safety. They will do this he said, in tandem with Facebook and Twitter. According to him, discussions between all three have already taken place. He reckons it’ll be the biggest culling to date, of content creators and independent vloggers/commentators.
While this may be unsurprising, it is important news and I trust him implicitly. He also said that it is his belief (and I’ve said as much myself) that Russian interference claims are nothing but a smokescreen for mass censorship. They (the royal they), know damn well that the Russians are not responsible for spreading anti-vaccine information online, pro-Brexit propaganda or information about 5G. They KNOW he said, that these initiatives are grassroots organisations, set up by genuinely concerned citizens, but that the easiest way to legislate for them and ultimately to censor them, is to blame Russia. Problem Reaction Solution. He’s right. Again I have said as much many times.
Last year, Professor Julian Petley, one of the UK’s finest journalists and teachers, told me before an interview that he was worried about me. He’d been attending journalist conferences and one or two conferences on fake news. Julian is an unswerving proponent of free speech. He said my name was coming up a lot and that there may be some movement against me or the show. When I told him that I wasn’t working for anyone and was broadcasting from a home studio rather than a radio station, he was somewhat relieved, but nonetheless told me to watch my back.
This morning, my Google mate said that The RA Show is on a shortlist of programmes to not only be removed from YouTube (which I don’t care about at all), but also to be removed from Google search results too. He said the RA show replacement channel, which has 31,000 subs, has in reality many more, but they’re not being counted. Worse still he said, the viewing numbers are fixed so that less than one in ten views are shown. The point of this he went on, is to dissuade people from watching, people apparently being more inclined to watch content that’s showing hundreds of thousands of views.
Now I couldn’t give a fiddlers about YT viewing figures or subscribers as you well know. The bulk of my audience listens live as it is a live radio show, or they grab the podcast from iTunes, Spotify, Podomatic etc. And viewing/listening numbers say nothing about the quality of a show in any case, but it’s important to note this, cos they ain’t just doing it to me.
Asked if there’s any concern among his fellow employees about what is happening, my mate said no. Or at least nobody has said anything. Maybe they are like him, worried about the prospect of losing a tech job, being labelled a troublemaker and struggling to get another one. Share this widely as your favourite Youtubers need to know that this mass cull is coming to coincide with the arrival of the covid-vaccine, so that they can back up their videos, something which they should be doing, but many don’t. Anyhow, thanks for reading. I’m on air at 5. Loads to do. Speak later.”

Simon Dolan interviewed by Allen yesterday https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2020-07-22T11_18_32-07_00
Interview begins about 10 mins in.

I already posted this same link lower down the page. Feels reasonable to attach to Humanity First’s comment.

Our local travel companies response in Mid Wales “ CELTIC TRAVEL
Important notice/reminder: As from Monday 27th July 2020 it is mandatory that 3 LAYER FACE MASKS (not scarfs etc) are to be worn on all public transport in Wales, please ensure you have a face mask before getting on our buses, you will be asked to provide a medical note if you cannot wear a face mask”

Medical note, who thought that Welsh bus drivers are all trained GP’s

Couldn’t make this shit up.

Are they going to check that your medical note from ‘Dr Schnabel von Rom’ is genuine?

So how does the driver count the number of layers to check without getting his hands impossibly coated in miasma?

He asks you to take the mask off and demonstrate its composition.

Wow! No layers to three layers overnight in the future.
What kind of clever prophets are now working for the Welsh government?

3-ply Andrex wrapped around the face then, eh? Only the best will do.

“You will be asked to produce a medical note…”
That’s (illegal) bollox since you do not need to provide a note from your Doctor, or your Mum, to be excused and your Doctor is too busy/isolating to provide you with one anyway.

One person concerned that they would not be able to get a note in time asked then on facebook if an up-to-date prescription would suffice!

After customer “feedback” they will now also accept Hidden Disability cards https://hiddendisabilitiesstore.com/shop/cards.html . I have contacted our local GP surgeries to ask what there views on this are. Will update here in case useful to anyone and whether we are able to get them to back down on this,.

A comment on You Tube:

If our benevolent overlords were really interested in “social distancing”©️™️ and making sure that we were widely dispersed when out and about for the sake of “safety” and “public health” they would make sure that as many small businesses as possible would stay open, instead of directing us to Walmart and Target where we’re mingling with hundreds of people with magical, non-biohazard, face diapers on.

If you still haven’t figured out that this isn’t about the Big Scary Boogeyflu, but about a controlled demolition of the global economy, the deliberate destruction of small business and handing over complete control of the economy to a handful of giant mega corporations, all in preparation for the “Great Reset.”… and if you still believe that life will return to a semblance of normal if we would all just OBEY and do what we’re told

If all that is the case then you’re a [$%%] retard. Sugar coating that fact is not going to change it. But you don’t have to stay tarded out forever.

Hi folks.

I’d like to join in and point to material that I’ve published about wearing face coverings in shops, but it appears that comments containing links to my site are moderated. There are two articles, if you’d like to search to find them: “The coronavirus police state (5): the wear-a-mask-to-shop deception” and “Face coverings in shops: it’s all about store policy and its reward or punishment – so don’t make excuses to be allowed in”

Hi folks.
I’d like to join in and point to material that I’ve published about wearing face coverings in shops, but it appears that comments containing links to my site are moderated. There are two articles, if you’d like to search to find them: “The coronavirus police state (5): the wear-a-mask-to-shop deception” and “Face coverings in shops: it’s all about store policy and its reward or punishment – so don’t make excuses to be allowed in”

YELLOW MASKS
A suggestion. Before I make it, all this is taking a big toll on my mental health, so I’m trying to avoid too much involvement. If others think my suggestion is good, perhaps someone could kindly run with it.
I’m mindful of the French “yellow jackets” protest, though I’m not sure what it was about. The best protests start from the grass roots, rather than being too orchestrated. I think those of us who object to mask wearing but feel forced to wear them in shops to avoid fines, abuse or violence (as may be the result of Cressida Dick’s sinister encouragement of shaming to ensure compliance), should wear PLAIN BRIGHT YELLOW MASKS. Eventually, word will get around what the meaning of this colour mask is. We don’t need words on them, as slogans might cause abuse, but the bright yellow background would make words easy to read if individuals did want to write on them. People have many reasons for objecting, so the absence of a slogan or message would be a positive. They would be easy to make. Possibly you could use a cut-off from an old hi-vis vest (?breathable?). Someone here might want to raise a bit of money by making and selling them as a business. I would buy one.

No way will I wear a mask in a shop. I have an exemption badge but will use a flimsy scarf or a midge net if a face covering is unavoidable.
The midge net is best because it lets you breathe reasonably freely.

What about a beekeepers hat??

Same thing really.
Type midge net head into Amazon for a huge choice and to get ideas.
(Apparently black is the easiest to see through!)

Wearing a face mask even if yellow means that you are willing to wear one.

Take control of your life. Use an exempt badge if questioned.

Yes, I know I could do that, but it’s the principle of the thing. I shouldn’t have to declare that I’m exempt. We should all be exempt.

I know what you mean, I don’t see I can rightfully claim an exemption though the whole social distancing/mask wearing makes me feel stressed out.

It should have been left as a choice, if you choose to wear one fine. But don’t force people.

Stress / distress – same root. So you can rightfully claim an exemption.

If anyone asks why you’re not wearing one just say something neutral like ‘I have my reasons’. They have no right to enquire further because of medical confidentiality, and even if you don’t have a medical problem you’re not lying.

Claiming exemption legitimises what the govt is doing. See here . If you cannot avoid using a shop that insists on masks, I would suggest buying as little as possible there and maybe telling the proprietors why (in writing afterwards if you wish to avoid any sort of scene).

Hmm, yes and no. It’s quite a verbose piece which would benefit from a pruning, and a clarification of its central message. Some of the assumptions dubious too.

I don’t see stating an exemption as legitimising anything. I see it as buying beer and biscuits in a normal fashion. (Also as setting a good example to others as a side-effect.).

Good article, make sense to me. Shopkeepers are under no legal obligation to enforce the rule, so if they choose to that is their policy and so the most effective thing you can do is walk away and take your custom elsewhere (assuming you can find a shop that isn’t collaborating with the government).

This puts economic pressure on the shop to change policy, with no legal problem for them. The just have to calculate whether they gain more business than they lose based on what policy they adopt. I suspect mandatory face masks aren’t going to increase business in most cases, ego boycotting shops that enforce it is the most effective way to challenge this.

This is a really good idea.

First stop. Not wearing ever.

Plan B for when gun is against head – this. Yellow vest masks. That could easily grow in scale – compliance and protesting. For others to see far and near. Brilliant Idea Aremen.

Plan B for when gun is against head – this.

Knock gun aside, seize from goon, ventilate goon. What a way to go !

Thank you. At the time of writing, my original comment has 11 thumbs up. I’m in no fit state mentally (because of all this) to take this further. I just wanted to sow a seed. Can anyone who likes my idea please take it a step further (I’m not sure how, but I know there are clever people out there with good contacts)? Thanks.

Its up the sleeve and ready to deploy. To use at the right moment. Plan a first!
It is a genuinely good idea. I will keep mentioning it.

Perhaps protests could ask for flo masks.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Face-Mask-Double-Layered-Cotton-Washable-Reusable-Unisex-Face-Protection-Mask/174332096269?var=473525773172&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item289700af0d:g:qVsAAOSw5JFe-THs&amdata=enc%3AAQAFAAACcBaobrjLl8XobRIiIML1V4Imu%252Fn%252BzU5L90Z278x5ickkSG%252BOFgrj2Yvbvmrj2TAdM9pmjkLHEjmHR4dEBN55dWNAXQXYv4uPQuKL8MydgWXmbojOfmFldjIfbSL8DlJS5oP6QNMZH2ENney9Pe4chz7tjctR653%252BButU6mQnUZdfjMCKBBzCr%252FTRaCbWkDng47JvhaHg74DI4OOVpTSjcDdBKwCR54V8WsiqMYl1lWr%252F79pBSeDD5T%252FZSaemOPzU3gChvOFBTSjn3M8R6aEy7LDm1B565zhWiBQr9fd3UxAz6ijPk%252F6KIE7sD9EVj8VcmoR6YnHjY5qM6TJxwR%252BYK5lJB7lYgZKNwCRGL%252FAb%252FxMta2285oaAxfxsBkEBrYh%252BmHB1uzeMXR9T2DZAU2HXzP0%252Bffa6zv3pnM41zjUsbzyQfTLvIvnt4fw1mAEkV9ZxHTwNoTKOrjmpTsGs8gwIUhTCKn8HPkmQlBvQ9Kect7P2vrd32AqsCltvSbHQ21%252FbxK1wEG4HHM%252BxscM0Ym1I%252Fo0227CagZYQUQpPgJHa6BTBqq5af13moadZOeYNzTyHT0ZPCfEl0vw%252BwDVKUhoBcgXvhS0xP0cp8RsEVtm1Ff0VgTZcdlTj30Y2JGObWIQMtYV3RGJLjS1ua%252FtPxnD89zTeC%252BcUzYRXAz3Rtxato%252FTsQp6w4wC8j%252FadWwRvmPLE2P123%252FPGmFOX%252BcaWSwEx2vHPzNCEHMaMbnXyTCkC4AhR%252FQ4LSSxu6Ka6aFyhrK6c%252BxIW8Fvs%252B%252Bq5%252FF7wE3BOylZT0u5utlYKWPUkq7kLf%252FVL0UyUBt3a0YMu8e6%252FXDFeAw%253D%253D%7Ccksum%3A17433209626940f21f0cec9945eaaa67f931c5bcf884%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2334524

No, that’s a bit too much like voluntarily wearing a yellow Star of David for my liking. Just don’t wear a mask. At all. And if anyone questions why you’re not going along with the diktat simply tell them it’s none of their damn business (which it’s not). As the mask nonsense is taking a toll on your mental health (ditto) you have a legitimate exemption from it. Do not submit. Do not go gentle into that good night.

What’s interesting with masks is something I have seen a lot in my career and is called the Fallacy of Composition. A single effect when added to a chain of effects does not imply the system (chain of effects) will do what the single effect does.

The term in science is ceteris parebus (all things being equal). Real systems don’t work on that. They work on the minimum energy principle. Do what is efficient but not necessarily effective.

And so masks if anything deal with stopping droplets. Okay, but does stopping droplets prevent you from catching a virus? Does catching a virus in itself result in you getting ill?

On it goes. Nature is actually rather complicated and extraordinary claims, as Carl Sagan says, require extraordinary evidence.

The seat belt one is funny as well. Seat belts do prevent you from getting as seriously injured in a car crash and countless dummy tests can show this, along with real crash evidence. But they also make you drive faster and especially in 30 miles an hour zones, where 70% of all deaths occur.

Things are not linear and simplistic. All you can do is build contigency. Masks haven’t been shown to rise above the noise. And as we’ve seen it has been deemed to add the air of “safety” with the outcome being that people will then go about their business. So if that causes things to change then the argument is that the science doesn’t matter.

But what if no-one goes into the shops and economy further tanks?

what if no-one goes into the shops and economy further tanks?

That’s the idea.

“ And as we’ve seen it has been deemed to add the air of “safety” with the outcome being that people will then go about their business. ” I don’t think for a moment the government believes it will add to the air of safety, in fact they want the opposite to happen – they want people to be frightened, so that the Big Lie that we face an extraordinary challenge that requires extraordinary measures is cemented into people’s minds, permanently. This is a coup.

I don’t think the seat belt argument is valid. I think we’re so used to using them that a psychological safety effect is unlikely.

On the other hand, 30MPH zones are in residential and built-up areas, where there is a higher concentration of vulnerable bodies, on foot or on two wheels.

John Adams is the goto for the seat belt argument. He analyses the figures and shows that the a trend in falling deaths then plateaus since 1983 when seat belts became mandatory. He has other examples, one in which he cut his hedge (he lives on a dangerous bend) only to see car speeds increase. (Edit: it wasn’t his hedge it was from 1907! but the point stands)

His point is that measures to enhance ‘safety” often do not include the whole system dynamics especially the users of that system

Just back from my last weekly shop as a free Englishman. Home Bargains first: no masks on staff, customers about the usual quota of late. Watched a woman pull hers down while talking to a pal, then put it back up and wander round the store playing with it. No signs about impending doom, although, interestingly they had a till labelled as ‘cash only’, which is new for there. Usual pleasant, no hassle visit.

On to Asda: All staff muzzled, maybe more customer muzzles noticeable, but not too bad. Again, playing with them. No signs or anything regarding Black Friday.

Aldi next: Guy on way in pulling down his mask to use vape thing. Staff not muzzled! Apparently, though, policy will be all staff must wear on shop floor. Again, you wouldn’t think something monstrous is due to happen tomorrow. Stocked up on my ‘house’ Oz Chardy, in case problems do arise this weekend.

Finally, quick trip to Lidl, which will replace Aldi for me, if they get bolshy. Decent selection of beers here. Generally stress free, two staff on tills, one with, one without. Interestingly, the ‘with’ was a young lad, you know, from that demographic that are pretty much immune. Customers about 20%.

Didn’t actually ask any of them about policy, cos I’m depressed enough with it. Overall, you wouldn’t think anything bad was coming, but I’m sure it will.

Hi folks.
I’d like to “join the discussion” and point to material that I’ve published about wearing face coverings in shops, but it appears that comments containing links to my site are moderated. There are two articles, if you’d like to search to find them: “The coronavirus police state (5): the wear-a-mask-to-shop deception” and “Face coverings in shops: it’s all about store policy and its reward or punishment – so don’t make excuses to be allowed in”

Testing. Will this be auto moderated.

Surely Cressida Dick’s incitement to vigilanteism shows her to be unfit to be a police officer? After all, the reason why we have police is so we do not need to have vigilantes.

Apart from her probable black mass initiation ( ), I’m unaware of any attributes she has that make her fit to be a policeperson.

She’s got an appropriate name

She is very tall.

I complained, but my complaint was rejected as I am not a direct victim – seeing it on the news doesn’t count apparently.

Mine too was rejected and I will not be allowed a review.

Does that mean that if I get harassed, I have legitimate grounds for complaint?

Just stepping back a bit :

Article 6 of the United Nations Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights states:

“Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice.”

This, of course is central to any attempts by the Mengele Academy of Public Health to enforce vaccination with a – by definition – inadequately trialed concoction. Proper RCTs will take a span of years – forget the bullshit about speedy production, especially when the target is an infection whose virulance and lethality is well within what might be considered unexceptional. Especially when it has effectively vanished (although watch out for mythical ‘second waves’.

But that declaration also covers non-pharmacological interventions, such as masks.

Now, of course, such documents have a questionable relationship to law, but that statement covers what is accepted as basic medical ethics in most countries. As a BMJ article points out :

“Proving a breach of the Hippocratic Oath’s ethical obligation to “do no harm” was central to the conviction of the Nazi doctors at the Nuremberg Trials after the second world war for non-consensual, brutal experimentation, sterilisation, and active non-voluntary euthanasia. Those proceedings spurred creation of a tripartite collection of documents that remain central to medical ethics: the Declaration of Geneva, (or the modernised Hippocratic Oath), the Nuremberg Declaration on Human Experimentation, and the International Code of Medical Ethics.”

… and my parents’ generation gave six years of their lives to establishing the wider rule of law summarised above in a ‘never again’ act against the jackboot.

Now we have, by diktat (not even proper law) Mr Toad and the Spivs trampling all over that heritage (no wonder they want to trash the concept of hard-won human rights like spoiled children).

What is the recourse in law (given the usual barriers of wealth)? Can the essential basics of medical ethics (obviously breached in the current situation) be tested in law?

I know we are now seeing the dire state of constitutionally defined rights,l which clearly indicate the pathetic inadequacy of the British ‘heritage’. But, for those former generations, the nation needs to properly sort out these self-serving bastards of even intent who are corrupting even those slender threads.

If so-called “debates” like these are anything to go by, there will be a concerted attempt to vilify and socially ostracize (the matter of fact way they were agreeing on excluding unvaccinated children from schools was chilling ) anyone who expresses genuine doubt and concern about what they are being told to inject into their bodies…

https://youtu.be/25LbHn3byI8

I don’t see what the difference is between having an unwelcome needle pierce your body followed by an unwanted substance entering your bloodstream, and having an uninvited penis entering a vagina and similar eventualities. Now imagine the outcry if the government was to tell women the latter was going to be ‘an instruction’ especially by an appropriately named useless bastard of a minister.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/20/watch-your-body-their-choice/

Perhaps oddly, perhaps not, the majority of the pro-abortion people see no ‘My body, my choice’ issue at play re vaccines.

I’ve pondered this too – it’s very odd, the cognitive dissonance is astounding at times.

United Nations Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights

That’ll be another one without a 2nd Amendment, yes ?

That’d be the “gun lobby’s cash cow amendment”?

No. I think this Declaration is about saving lives.

Not a minute ago, Rick, you posted about ‘dickhead prejudices’. I happen to agree with you, as I realise the divide and rule tactic is a big part of the bad guys’ playbook.

Then off you go repeating MSM bollocks about the ‘gun lobby’ and their ‘cash cow’. Ffs. I’d recommend talking to some ordinary people in the US of A about the 2nd Amendment. keepandbeararms.com is very good. Or read a few books – John Lott’s are some of the best.

But please stop dividing anti-lockdowners based on their thinking re the right to bear arms.

I was watching an interesting video on YouTube last night about how the WHO and authorities are using celebrities, musicians and social media influencers to put out their message to their followers. The idea of doing something just because a celebrity says so is completely alien to me. But the strategy clearly works otherwise they wouldn’t be pursuing.

I wondered if any people on here have relatives and friends who are that easy influenced into behaving a certain way?

The video is well worth a watch if you get chance – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmWDUmFV6yY

Oh I think this definitely happens people love to follow what their favourite celeb does in terms of fashion etc so why not with masks.

I have a brain and think for myself but an easily influenced teenager might well just follow the celebrity culture.

Guess who is paying for those celebrity testimonials? We are! Defund the World Health Organization! Put money back in your pockets.

Muzzles in takeaways now ?,that was obviously going to happen,pubs and restaurants next.Speaking to restaurants and pubs around here I get a consistent narrative that the first week of re-opening was busy but since then business has fallen quite a lot and that’s in establishments that treat customers normally without all of the bullshit.Most of them are quite worried and think the £10 off per person next month will make very little difference.

Masks in restaurants will surely be the final straw in exposing them as nothing more than a psychological ploy to help people feel ‘safe’, while also perpetuating the sense of fear and abnormality. You’d have to take them off to eat/drink, so does the virus suddenly become less virulent as soon as you tuck in to your meal? They just cannot be worn at all times in restaurants etc.

Masks are mandatory in restaurants in Spain I believe. Mind you Spain had taken mandatory mask wearing completely to another extreme as you have to wear them in every public place indoors and outdoors. Even walking the dog.

The future here I’m afraid.

Fear = failure, JP.

We have followed the french ,Spanish in everything they have done.face masks are compulsory when you leave your house in Spain bar Madrid and the Canaries.

Do you have to put one on the dog?

Que

The virus only circulates above the height of approximately 1.5 meters. Therefore, when sitting at a table at a restaurant you should be safe. The moment you stand you must immediately put on your mask or risk killing the remaining customers and staff.

Masks outside will be a policy at some point, too.

We’re following sunk cost fallacy.

The only way to stop this charade is not to wear a mask in any of these establishments.

BBC News just reported that an ONS survey shows 71% now wearing a mask when leaving home. Where are all these people? Certainly not on any of the streets I walk down.
Another case of playing with data?

Just been at my local Tesco; about 20% were muzzled – certainly increasing a bit over the last couple of weeks, but a million miles from 70%!

If its BBC those results could have been fed to them by the govt or pulled out of thin air. I hardly see anyone round my way, south coast, with masks on, certainly not 71%.

Only saw a maximum of 12-15% of people wearing them in town yesterday. And even then the number of people actually being out has increased massively, so more masks doesn’t really mean there actually was

Oh yes.

It’s what they do.

71% of BBC staff?

Just walked to my local shop; no face masks en route (saw about 5 people) and of the 6 customers and 2 staff, only 1 customer was wearing a mask. He looked to be old and possibly not in the best health though.

The BBC and the ONS peddle lies? Who knew?

BBC are evil, lying bastards.

They are the virtue signalers who have nothing to do now Points of View has gone and they have already written to Ofcom because Naked Attraction had nude people on the show.

Not true

Dont listen to BBC, everything they say is not true or skewed.

Lots of people lying I’d say. I honestly don’t blame them, you’re probably going a register somewhere if you say ‘no’. Face mask offenders register or something. It gets posted on Facebook and to The Daily Mail so you can be publicly shamed for murdering old people.

Selective survey groups. This was members of the Royston Vasey Lucha Libre Associations going to their weekly tournaments

Its complete baloney.

Just about sums up the idiots in power. Department of Health and social care can’t say when mask wearing will end.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-long-will-we-have-to-wear-masks-for-

It won’t end. Even if the requirement is lifted, people who don’t wear them in everyday circumstances will be treated like social pariahs.

That’s their choice to do so, it’s just not my choice.

The story of my life …

Why would the government want to end it? Unless it gained them votes – unlikely as Opposition are more pro-mask. Only chance is the Anti-mask equivalent of UKIP to frighten the Tories with lost votes – even then not sure they’d do more than promise a referendum…

Since the incidence of the virus is so low (0.04 per cent of the population as of last week and falling) to the extent that there is no longer an epidemic, the protective effect is likely to be almost zero.

What sort of government treats one section of the governed as instruments to alleviate the fears of others?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-problem-with-mandatory-face-masks/amp?__twitter_impression=true

‘Ere, ‘ave that. We’re off on holidays innit?

The only rational explanation that I can drum up is that aliens with a weird sense of humour are now in charge of the planet and our crushed, terrified governments around the world are carrying out psychological tests on behalf of their new over-lords!

I repeat – the Overlords await round the back of the moon until the grooming & preparations are complete.

Childhood’s End
Arthur C Clarke.

David Ikes Lizards ?

Someone here linked to and quoted a study yesterday Where the calculated that, with the prevalence of the virus so low, 200,000 people would have to wear a mask to prevent 1 infection (the study queried whether they made any difference at all, but allowed that they might, for the purposes of the calculation.

With an IFR of 0.25% that means that 800,000,000 people would have to wear a mask to save a single life.

We just don’t have enough people in the country for masks to save lives.

One could also add that any of those mask wearers would have to have been in close contact with at least one other person for 15 minutes to have risked viral infection of the other person.

We could increase immigration by 2,400% to get us to a population of 800,000,000. It could save just one life.

Don’t suppose anyone has the link to hand?

“ to the extent that there is no longer an epidemic”

Infection hasn’t been at ‘epidemic’ levels for some considerable time.

(See the CEBM in June : https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/what-does-rcgp-surveillance-tell-us-about-covid-19-in-the-community/ )

You are absolutely right about the nonsense that is being perpetrated and the way in which a scientifically (and media) illiterate public just suck it up.

I fact the average person would have to work extremely hard to even encounter an infected individual – let alone get infected themselves. I think your infection rate is in actuality probably a bit high, because it’s based on those unreliable testing figures. I reckon it may well be between .01% and .025%.

But that’s angels on the head of a pin stuff – the basic fact is that it’s a ludicrously low figure to command the sort of disruption that we see going on. Only a *moron* would seriously recommend shutting down society on that basis. Or recommending a fast-track vaccine.

Of course, that’s why we now have the ‘Second Wave’ development of the Scary Fairy as the official narrative falls apart. To which the answer is – read the ever reliable CEBM :

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-epidemic-waves/

“We do not know for certain whether COVID will recur in phases, or sporadic outbreaks or disappear altogether …

… Making absolute statements of certainty about ‘ second waves’ is unwise, given the current substantial uncertainties and novelty of the evidence.”

What about wearing a clothing sign of solidarity with fellow lockdown sceptics – the bandana? There is no way I will wear any any kind of purpose-made face mask but I will wear a bandana around my neck. Any requests or even threats to wear a face covering can then be headed off at any time by just raising the bandana temporarily over mouth and nose. Then it can be immediately lowered when the normie has lost interest. Just repeat to get the messge across if the normie persists. Normies would soon get the message when they see the vast majority of people wearing bandanas. And, to see the majority of the population wearing a bandana would be great for morale. There is no need to even buy something sold as a bandana. A bandana is just an ordinary mens handkerchief folded over on itself and the two opposite corners along the fold are tied around the back of the neck. Suit shops are a good place to look if you dont have a mens handkerchief – some even stock purpose-made bandanas. #BandanaSceptics

Question: where is the pressure coming from so that shops would implement face coverings as store policy? Face coverings in shops: it’s all about store policy and its reward or punishment – so don’t make excuses to be allowed in

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Don’t be fooled by the press again, tranny Sturgeon is as hated in Scotland as England.

Well, I won’t oppose what you say – but it is hard to believe that that is possible!

It is possible. The people who support her are men who don’t get sex from their wives and drunken arseholes in track suits who hope she’ll keep funding their scum lifestyle.

According to beeb R4 today Sturgeon is +40 popular compared to Boza -30, can’t remember the exact figures since it’s clearly nonsense but close enough.

A bit off topic but another bit of research by our friends at Imperial College London in association with the University of Glasgow so that is why it is posted on their website.

They are researching meteoroids, fireballs etc using cameras apparently.

Then a friend sent this link about a “debris field” the earth is about to enter and asked are the 2 items linked somehow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkvj_J85rhE

I’d say if they are linked and based on ICL’s record with Ferguson we’ll end up building a huge big meteor protection dome over the compelket world except Sweden and Tanzania or all be told to live underground forever then a small pebble will be discovered and they will all shout “see we told you so, we were right”.

Here is the University of Glasgow link:

https://www.gla.ac.uk/news/headline_712908_en.html

Given the absurdities of what is going on and the constant need to draw it out as long as possible, I would not rule anything out and this could therefore very well be true.

A Spitfire has just flown over my house. A British government is telling me to wear a face-mask for no demonstrable reason. I am struggling to reconcile these two events.

All those who comply are traitors to our ancestors who fought so bitterly and sacrificed their lives over centuries to build and preserve what we inherited, and are now wilfully relinquishing for nothing in a matter of months. They sacrificed their lives for our freedoms, and we have sacrificed these freedoms for our lives. Actually not even that, because this is not living.

We’ve booked a few days away in August staying with a friend of the OH who has just opened a café with accommodation. With these new regs I’m wondering if we’ll have to don the burka while on public view.

I’ve just been to the Sainsbury’s Local to get plenty of milk so I don’t have to worry for a few days (ha!). No masks on staff, but several among customers. Some 20-something did the scalded cat routine.

One thing that is so dreadful about the mask situation is it is humiliating . The government is forcing its citizens to play along with a ruling that they know to be useless. It is literally driving me mad.

“ One thing that is so dreadful about the mask situation is it is humiliating .”

Of course – a classic tactic for enforcing subservience.

It was a common practice in the old soviet union. Lets people know who is the boss…the more absurd the ruling the greater the humiliation.

There is only one way to get my freedom back

Non violent civil disobedience

I will not be telling porkies in order to get out of wearing a face mask. I will look them straight in the eye and say no

Let the state do it’s worst

I will get on a bus and sit down. If the driver says get off, I will refuse. If they threaten to call the police I will say say go on then. If the police arrive I will refuse to leave and refuse to give them my name and address. That will force them to arrest me

I will go into a shop, if they refuse me entry I will walk in anyway. If they threaten to call the police I will say go on then etc

I will not carry any identification on me. I will stay in custody for as long as I can by refusing to co-operate

Mrs Dick is pushing the shame thing because she knows she can’t enforce face nappy wearing. Every Police Officer will be off the streets queuing up outside custody suites within a couple of hours

What you do is up to you

Good luck to you – it’s the right approach, though it won’t work for everyone.

I would propose one variation – I tend to feel that if I own a shop I should be able to decide who comes in or not. I know that’s not the law as it stands (discrimination legislation etc) but I think there’s a case for it – my shop, my rules. Same with a taxi. You are free to go somewhere else who doesn’t refuse you entry. With bigger shops it’s a bit different, and obviously if it’s the only shop of its kind, or they all refuse you, then you run out of options.

But I’m nit picking.

It’s the right of a shop owner to refuse you entry, but not for refusing to wear a mask as it is not the shop’s edict and they wouldn’t normally be demanding it: for why would you turn business away.? If you’re drunk, yes, on drugs, yes (if you can tell) for being abusive, yes, but not for refusing to wear a mask anymore than you can refuse someone entry for being in a wheelchair.

Well done. Great approach and that is what all should do that are against compulsory mask wearing. Obviously adapt this approach to suit the individual.

I’m with you and I do have a reason to be exempt. I’m not going to use it. If we don’t start now we will be under the yoke forever. Face masks will not be stopped at shops. Soon everywhere. In some countries even in your own damn homes. Start the fight back now!

Wow. Stunning and brave, as they say. Bravo.

And here’s a slogan. It’s brand new and I made it up, honest: Just Say No.

Fifty years ago Monty Python gave us The Ministry for Silly Walks. Today PM Boris Johnson has given us The Ministry of Wearing a Mask and Taking a Knee.

Agree.

Unfortunately members of parliament is so useless that legislation is implemented without them being consulted or voted on it. Wake up people this is no longer a democracy.

Terry Pratchett had the right quote for whose that wear the face-nappy. I paraphrase it here as I can’t be bothered to locate the actual words.

Who needs whips and chains when their minds are successfully subdued.

Indeed and note that the face covering edict is tomorrow and not last Friday as Parliament is now in recess for the summer.

My husband and I have just agreed that we feel like Rick & Ilsa (Casablanca), drinking all the Champagne before the Germans arrive in Paris. We’ll be having a  farewell drink to freedom to-night!!

Updated 17th July. You seriously could not make this up.

“It is important to know that the evidence of the benefit of using a face covering to protect others is weak and the effect is likely to be small”

https://t.co/C1o60iQqb9

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/working-safely-during-coronavirus-covid-19/offices-and-contact-centres#offices-6-1

Pre print but explosive. New Study: https://advance.sagepub.com/articles/Comment_on_Flaxman_et_al_2020_The_illusory_effects_of_non-pharmaceutical_interventions_on_COVID-19_in_Europe/12479987/1

Flaxman et al. (Nature, 8 June 2020, https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-020-2405-7 , 2020) infer that non-pharmaceutical interventions conducted by several European countries considerably reduced effective reproduction numbers and saved millions of lives. We show that their method is ill-conceived and that the alleged effects are artefacts. Moreover, we demonstrate that the United Kingdom’s lockdown was both superfluous and ineffective.

Hmm… Not sure about the validity of the argument or how seriously it can be taken. See, for example, the BTL comment on another of the author’s corona related articles:
.’Alleged statistical errors, an unsuitable calculation method combined with vague doubts about the way in which fatalities are counted, seem to aim to create confusion and raise doubts with seemingly “scientific” arguments backed up by spurious arguments.

This impression is matched by the fact that the author of this article has published a similar article (in German and with further arguments whose evidence refutes his own theses) in several online media.[1][2]

Both of these publications state that this article was “submitted for publication to a professional journal and has already appeared as an un-reviewed preprint”. The according link refers to this page.

I have the strong impression that the purpose of the publication here is merely to give both versions of the article a “scientific” touch.’

With regards to the seat belt analogy and masks:

A long standing critic of wearing seat belts to improve road safety is John Adams. Now you may think he is mad but the data backs up what he says: road deaths plateau after the introduction of seat belt laws. In fact a reducing trend is often curtailed once seat belts become mandatory. It is all to do with our perception of risk but also something called Cultural theory:

“All this is fertile ground for Cultural Theory. The hundreds of thousands of people killed world-wide every year in road accidents constitute a large problem. Large problems and inconclusive information make people uncomfortable. The debate about seat belt laws appears to be as far as ever from resolution despite more than two decades of experience and volumes of statistical evidence. Cultural Theory suggests that in the face of such uncertainty the informational vacuum will be filled with contradictory certitudes; belief and conviction serve as substitutes for factual knowledge. Cultural Theory further suggests that these beliefs and convictions assume distinctive and predictable forms depending on their adherents.”

From http://john-adams.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2006/failure%20of%20seatbelt%20legislation.pdf

We have seen a lot of this over the last months with Covid. But in this case measuring Covid has been very difficult

here is link to the transcript of the Parliamentary Committee for Health and Social Care on 21 July 2020 when Whitty was questioned:

https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/747/pdf/

He did not exactly impress.

Few quotes from Whitty:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

“frankly I was not expecting that question” – more than once

That’s a very interesting set of minutes, in that it reveals the fundamental problem of a social elite of scientists (i.e the OBN’s with ‘Sir’ etc. attached) have had a game of Chinese whispers and convinced themselves about the level of threat posed by this virus.

It’s not just Whitty -the group-think exhibited – the very antithesis of good science – is immense, with no-one (admittedly after a quick read-through) seeming to say

“Hang on a minute : is that right?”

All are piling onto the bandwagon of agony, and *want* to believe the narrative of extreme seriousness and the nature of the ‘exceptional times’ that enhances their importance.

If this is the narrow spectrum of advice that remarkably dim politicians have been given, it’s hardly surprising that we are so far up shit creek.

One of the main error traps they fall into is that because this virus has travelled across the world, mimicking pandemic spread, then that equates to seriousness. Which it doesn’t. It’s a widespread mild virus that can affect the vulnerable in a serious way – just like other viruses that induce respiratory infections.

Rarely have epidemiologists and related branches received so much attention. Look to that for the reasons for all this hyperbole and hysteria, whilst listening to those who kept their eye on the real science in the wider sense.

Is a global pandemic really excellent for these guys just on a personal career level? Like a soldier with a campaign medal. Is there an incentive to want a pandemic if you are in these positions?

This is a separate thought to the clear corrupted interests and financial incentives.

There’s a global coronovirus pandemic every year called the common cold. The media are happy for us to believe that Pandemic means more virulent or hurty when all it means is occurring in a given number of countries at the same time.

Schroedinger’s Cafe – I think I get it now.

I was baffled last night with the buying a sandwich thing, but now I’ve unravelled it. If you go into a cafe and buy a sandwich to take out, you are ‘shopping’ (cafe is now shop), and so must wear a mask. But if you sit down and order, you are ‘dining out’ (shop is now cafe), and so no mask.

How close to the counter can you go before you become a ‘shopper’?

All because “we say you have to have a mask in shops and we don’t want you making us look silly(er)”.

And this is UK law??

If you bring your own chair does that count?

Then you are a shopfitter, there for ‘work purposes’ and probably exempt? Alternatively, mhcp, just make some shit up. Works for government!

Wheelchair user wishing to take out ?

What happens if you go in not wearing a mask? Do they assume you’re eating in or choose to stop serving if you say you’re taking out?

Is it a little like the petrol/kiosk conumdrum?

Richie Allen interviews Simon Dolan (21min in) – already mentioned by someone else earlier.
Excellent stuff!

• Re appeal case – if not allowed to appeal we are not in a democracy but a dictatorship
• Silent majority do not agree with the lockdown and masks, but not able to make their voices heard
• Report drafted in April projecting that 200,000 people will die from non-coved if they implemented lockdown (based on a 3 week lockdown) v the 45,000 that died (this number is questionable). So Government knew this massive death number upfront. Despite this, lockdown continued for months and this number will increase
• If people do not understand numbers, then they have an emotional response because the Government did a great job in scaring them
• Many people no longer divided along traditional political lines such as labour, conservative but now more ito rights & liberties, no lockdown, no masks v lockdown and masks.
• There is a massive void in politics. Simon again confirmed that he will sponsor a party that stands for freedom of speech, liberties, responsibly for own life and pursuit of happiness
• If going to an establishment without a mask and get questioned about your right not to wear a mask, film the encounter and send that to Simon. They will do a prima facie case for discrimination against the disabled, a test case
• Great believer in rights. if they do not allow you to shop at the establishment without a mask it is within your rights to shop elsewhere

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2020-07-22T11_18_32-07_00

“ Silent majority do not agree with the lockdown”

I’m not sure about that – but that’s the problem with alleged ‘silent majorities’ they tend to have nothing to say.

“ no longer divided along traditional political lines”

I think that yo’re absolutely right on that, in the sense that the old (and pretty crude) left/right axis of political definition has shrunk into the background over Covid, whilst the salience of the libertarian/authoritarian axis has grown tremendously.

I feel the issue has been divisive for some time.

Good work victoria. Appreciate you providing summary.

If the people putting questions to the “experts” can say something like this and believe it then no wonder we’re all screwed:

“We all know that voluntary social distancing was introduced on 16 March, and it was made compulsory a week later on 23 March.”

This classic from the Chair of the Committee – all this time and he still does not know guidelines are not law.

I mean ‘voluntary social distancing’ has been in place for the whole of time if they really stop to think about it, it certainly wasn’t ‘introduced’ on 16th March. Wording is important, exposes them for not caring about accuracy immediately.

SW London town.1%wearing masks.

Asked Scope charity shop could I come in mask less.Two assts. said no (nicely),explained exemptions,they knew nothing about them!called manager who said I would be welcome mask less.

Morrisons,asked first man on door who said I could shop maskless from tomorrow.The 2nd assistant chap queried this because he too knew nothing about exemptions.

Told my local conv.shop I would not wear a mask,he too said I was welcome anytime-but also seemed to know nothing about exemptions.

So,let’s be bold, get the word out there…..about exemptions,futility of masks etc……but most of all,let’s give the mask wearers what they cannot give us……..a lovely happy smile.

Ha, have just posted my little story of trip in Wimbledon today too, witnessing same, very little voluntary mask use on show, and those that are are doing so are a danger to themselves.

Thanks Mark,….I live just down the road from Wimbledon….Mitcham! Early days I know,but I am getting a really relaxed vibe from shops.

Yeah I’m in Wimbledon Chase so very near Mitcham too, also seems very relaxed by ours, but it has done so for a long time now.

I’m pretty sure if they just re-opened everything in London _normally_ tomorrow, people would be back to it, the virus has long since finished with our City… so much for ‘local measures from now on’ approach that we were supposed to be getting – in with a blanket muzzling for no reason.

This is so obvious it’s a great part of what’s driving me nuts. What possible reasoning can there be for, just as people feel like getting back out there (and spending money FFS), imposing a completely useless law which intimates that everyone’s life is at risk if they so much as breathe clean air?

Pleased and amused by my little lunch break trip to Wickes (Wimbledon, London) just now. No masks on staff, though woman who was helping me said a couple of staff do, she said the perspex is stupid as they and customers always lean around it to actually hear each other. She said they’re not being forced to muzzle up from tomorrow, and she wont be. Very pleasing to hear, and she sorted my issue in 15 minutes, when other colleagues have been dragging their heels for months too so double win.

Amused because driving there (in horrendous traffic, I should’ve cycled but thought it might save me time, forgot everyone is driving again now that public transport is still advised against) I saw the farce of mask wearing in full flow. From youngsters inexplicably masked up, to people at bus stops with them dangling round their necks, to one womans falling off and onto the floor as she walked (which she then picked up and put back on her face, lol!) and to couples with 1 masked and 1 unmasked (surely they both see the stupidity in that!). This rule is not just ridiculous, it is really obvious that despite what Media Polls keep claiming, the large majority of people do not really support it, whatever they might say to a pollster. Maybe in their heads they think they should support it, but actions speak louder than words, and certainly around here it is a tiny minority of people choosing to wear them or wear them ‘properly’.

“everyone is driving again now that public transport is still advised against”

There’ a massive irony here, since about the *only* benefit from Lock-Up that I can divine is that pollution in the atmosphere has massively declined, and the clarity of the air is visibly improved.

“Horrendous traffic…” around my way there is still no morning rush hour but come late morning the approach roads and city centre are as busy as the olden days. People might be afraid to go to work but they’re not afraid to go shopping and this lot are not working from home either (County Hall staff car park still empty).

The law on face soverings is now there to read:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/contents/made
And it doesn’t expire for 12 months.

Lots of people out and about. I passed at least a hundred, maybe more. Eight wearing masks and three equipped but not wearing. Mostly young, and a few middle aged. We’ll see what happens tomorrow.

Here it is…

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/contents/made?utm_source=hootsuite&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=post

12 months expiry!! 12 months! for fuck sake… They’re not even bothering to hide the fact they have no plan whatsoever anymore.

Also review only required within 6 months:

9. The Secretary of State must review the need for the requirements imposed by these Regulations before the end of the period of six months beginning with the day on which they come into force.

I looked at my MP’s website; she has a page with her generic “responses” to things her constituents have contacted her about. She had this to say on masks: “ For now, I would implore all XXXXXXX residents to continue to comply with all of the rules so that normal life can return to us soon ”
So in her world, soon is at least 6 months, probably more like 12, or forever. I don’t know much about her. I wonder if some backbench MPs are really pretty thick and apathetic and lazy and actually believe that it’s all for public health.

I’ll go with thick.

The powers that be are testing our mettle. Show them who’s boss with Graphene.

Also on Ritchie Allen show – a google source told him that they (Google, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter) are planning to purge all pages of dissenting voices of so-called misinformation (anything against the current Covid scenario i.e no masks, no vaccinations, alternative remedies, etc).
Protect yourself and make backup copies of all your information, video’s etc

Re the Russian interference / spy thing – the fact that Russia is behind this is nonsense, it is just an excuse to legislate for mass censorship.

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/richieallen/episodes/2020-07-22T11_18_32-07_00

Breaking NEWS: Medical journal reveals a 6-step plan to implement a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine
 “In the paper, published on June 26, 2020, the authors admit that a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine is likely “months to years” away. However, they assert that officials should waste no time in setting out guidelines that will help determine how and when to implement mass COVID-19 vaccine mandates.

Why?
Because without “ensuring a high enough vaccination rate to achieve herd immunity,” the authors claim, the country remains highly vulnerable to the so-called ravages of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, despite the fact that even the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) admits that most people who get COVID-19 will have only a mild illness at worst.

How to convince public to get on board with mandatory mass vaccination: Cook the books to make the COVID-19 pandemic worse than it really is”
https://www.naturalhealth365.com/required-sars-cov-2-shot-3489.html

The above average death rate occurred after lockdown and fell back below average after lockdown was eased. The lockdown measures caused the above average death rates.

Whilst you may be right, correlation does not indicate causation

Correlation does not prove causation, but absence of correlation does disprove causation.

That name you use is the WHO excuse not to use China in the virus name. Should never be used CCP Virus is far more apt.

A hair salon who has allowed staff not to wear masks or visors been dobbed in by a nice friendly local!

https://twitter.com/vickyintheuk/status/1286267949536481282?s=20

Not sure how you can be ‘dobbed in’ for something that isnt breaking the law… yet.

Well the owner has been sent a letter giving her 28 days presumably to comply with the guidelines which aren’t law so none of it makes any sense.

If the letter says anything about health and safety legislation then do a risk assessment including all the info from on here proving face masks not required and use that against them.

Councils cannot enforce HS&E legislation if the business risk assessment goes against guidelines – I have that in writing from them and posted their actual replies on here previously.

It will have been one of the conditions for allowing her to re-open her business.
So in addition to half the population already in thrall to the state (benefits, state sector employment, pensions etc) can be added a couple of million independent operators now firmly in the grip of LAs, no vaccine, no permit.

Sorry to use this board as group therapy, but… The guidance re: care homes is farcical (no suprise there). One visitor per resident. No physical contact.

FFS My mum is 87, bedridden, blind, and has dementia. My greatest fear during this whole f*ck-up is that she would die without me seeing her. Now I find I’m going to have to stand in the doorway to her room and shout at her. And no-one else – my sister, my mum’s 85-year-old cousin, her friends – will even get near her.

If this isn’t criminal, what is? HAVE THEY NO ******* DECENCY?

It’s the one area and issue where I have changed my mind since April.
Shielding and isolating the vulnerable is important, but inhumane if they or their relatives aren’t also given the choice to take more Corona risks instead.

This is only happening because people are going along with it instead of fighting it. Its ‘guidance’ not ‘law’, and even if was law theres still grounds to fight it. If everyone just gives up their personal power and does as theyre told then all is truly lost, and vulnerable people will die alone and terrified.

Speak to the social worker involved and ask for a best interests meeting. Explain that – if your mother had mental capacity – she would likely make the ‘unwise’ choice to have close contact with her loved ones despite the risks (I know).

I suspect you will be met with more empathy than trying to go through the care home who *sometimes* run these places like little fiefdoms.

Alternatively, raise a s21a challenge as RPR. Search your local IMCA service if you need help with this.

We are dealing with sociopaths they are not normal human beings.

They do not have any decency, they are murdering swine and we need to return in kind.

The answer is ‘no’. Dozens if other stories confirm it.
Walk into the room and take your mother’s hand, and if they protest, record the interchange on you phone and put it on social media, send it to Peter Hitchens, send it to Simon Dolan, play it on loudspeakers in the street, let the world know what vicious sadists are ruling the lives of the old and helpless.

No they haven’t.

They’ve published the SI today to cover shops (amended the older regulation over transport):
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/regulation/5/made
Unless I’m reading that incorrectly, only a ‘relevant person’ can ask you to put a mask on or ask you to leave a premises, a relevant person being police or transport staff – ie. there’s no power under this regulation for shop staff to either ask you to mask up or leave. So the staff can only ask you to leave their premises with their rights under civil law.

If anyone asks you to mask up or leave, I guess ask them to give you their legal position for requesting this and then confuse them even more… give you something to do while you’re waiting for the cop that will never arrive.

500.000 participants planned/hoped for at a mass demonstration against all the Corona responses in Berlin on 1.8..
Bus operators very supportive and diligent in organising it and transport.
Thrifty Swabians the most active.

When will the Brits of Reason and Enlightenment get their MOJO back?!

Muddy Waters – Got my Mojo Working
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhTCYqJsfqs

God knows. When they all realise they’ve been fooled. An easy job with many of them.

Very best wishes for the demo. Sock it to ’em..
Let us know how it went, because you can bet our media won’t be reporting it. The bastards.

I’m unsure if this is a good thing or a bad, but Brits are generally slow to be stirred. Often mistaken for placidity, they can be pushed, prodded, goaded, taunted, threatened and teased.

There is however a limit. Sooner or later, somebody makes that little push too far, and the dam fractures. It does not happen gradually, but collapses all at once and the anger, for so long bubbling under the surface, spills out.

When that moment comes, only God knows how it will end.

But that moment will come.

Should the Covid-19 vaccines be compulsory?

A tv depate from GMB 2 days ago
Oxford Scientist Julian Salvuescu
RS Public health Duncan Stevenson
Dr Bahat Pankhania Exeter Uni
Sarah Jarvis ‘dr’ GP

6 minutes
https://youtu.be/25LbHn3byI8

Oxford guy is horredous in his arrogance. Offensively in my view. To be effective all need to take the vaccine for herd immunity. He uses the lockdown death rates to guilt trip his arguement and uses the stupid comparion to seat belts. He is quite a man. The other views argue a more moderate stance about informed consent.

By “informed consent” they usually mean brain washing.

Absolutely. They are sure of thrmselves they can inform you to get their will. For a growing number on this particular dangerously warpspeeded vaccine many will not be willing – more than ever before I would say.

The “informed consent” is the phase after a thorough brainwashing.

Yes the seat belts comparison is less stupid than the ventilator one the virtuous ones espouse. Both are ludicrous and annoying.

Best of British proudly presents, The Pretenders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDeHAM93fuc

Great article by Rob Verkerk, Alliance for Natural Health:

“I’ve not hidden my dismay about what’s happening in the world of covid vaccines that we’re all meant to be eagerly awaiting as a means of releasing us (next year?) from the covid restrictions that threaten to destroy livelihoods and economies.

Let’s not condemn people as anti-vaxxers or vaccine hesitants when many of us are simply concerned about risks that we can’t evaluate because the data are hidden. We might be accused of being ignorant for not blindly accepting untried genetically engineered technologies, but let’s flip the coin and suggest that if governments and vaccine companies want us to build trust in their technologies, they better start sharing their data openly and transparently.”

Covid vaccines – like apples and oranges
“As we start to digest the flurry of Phase 1 and 2 clinical trial reports coming out in some of the world’s most prestigious journals, we’ve been increasingly shocked. It’s a million miles from the kind of transparency we believe is in the public interest that we outline in our Vaccine Transparency Manifesto .

Which data are hidden?
Here are our three top concerns:

1. Data disclosure is definitely not transparent . Even in the case of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine trial with its 130 pages of supplementary data, there are huge holes in the data – including about which subjects suffered which adverse reactions, and no breakdown of the adverse reaction data for the biggest groups tested.

2. The trial designs are not standardised . Take the two non-replicating viral vector vaccines, the Chinese CanSino Biologics/Beijing Institute for Technology one and the Oxford/AstraZeneca one. Both trials are published in the same journal, The Lancet , one of the world’s most prestigious medical journals. The CanSino one is double blind, the Oxford one single blind. Adverse events for the two trials cover entirely different time periods: 14 days for the CanSino vaccine, and solicited adverse event reports in the first 7 days following vaccination in the case of the Oxford vaccine and 28 days for unsolicited reactions. Apples and oranges.

3. Prestigious journals have dropped their standards for research reporting . Tell us how The Lancet allows the Methods in the CanSino trial to mention that the control involves only the adjuvant, yet fails to mention what it is – even broadly speaking, assuming some might argue for confidentiality to protect intellectual property. Wasn’t this all meant to be for the greater good, and open book? Why wasn’t the detailed data for the CanSino trial published in the The Lancet , when in the same journal, the Oxford trial included 130 pages of supplementary data? But in this, why is the detailed breakdown of adverse event reactions for the most important Group 2/4 plain missing? Why is it we can’t work out which subjects suffered from multiple adverse reactions?”

https://www.anhinternational.org/news/covid-vaccines-like-apples-and-oranges/

Skynews live interview.

SAGE professor. ROBERT DINGWELL has made a report and is interviewed aboht it.

Absolutely arguing against masks stating no evidence – negligible to none existent at best. Should be a matter of choice. Not appropriate to make law. He will comply with the law but says its not helpful or appropriate.

15.35pm today.

Psychology of mask message too wont get folk out to shop and actually hinder restart of economy he says.

Glad to hear a voice of sanity piping up, but such is my level of optimism I’m already assuming they’ve 10 other voices lined up to take him to task, without ever actually addressing anything he says. Did you watch it? Were the presenters any less rude than I’m imagining?

Saw Dolan being interviewed by some absolute c**t on TalkRadio earlier, playing with his phone, flicking through papers, whilst Dolan was talking and then just dismissed anything he said and tried to turn it into an argument of residency.

Was polite and he was not harrassed or interupted. It was good. Sky news followed soon after with an interview of a ¿federation of covenience stores? Reprasentative who was on to talk about how their members will NOT be enforcing the ruling.
All good vibes really.

Think Dingwall was NERVTAG, not SAGE, but I might be wrong. He’s been relatively sceptical from the start, but sadly no one in government seems to listen to him.

NERVETAG reminds me of TAGNUT, dunno why.

He nodded to being part of SAGE

Yes you’re right Dingwall is nervtag

Compulsory face nappy summary here:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/23/face-masks-mandatory-shops-takeaways-stations-england-friday

The health secretary, Matt Hancock, said: “As we move into the next stage of easing restrictions [imposing restrictions] for the public, it is vital we continue to shop safely so that we can make the most of our fantastic retail industry this summer [bugger it up to the extent that it goes out of business].

“Everyone must play their part in fighting this virus by following this new guidance. I also want to thank the British public for all the sacrifices they are making to help keep this country safe.”

What an absolute tosser that man is!

How fucking stupid are they? In banks but not theatres? In takeaways but not concerts? I know there is no logic but I want to say where is the logic? I cannot believe this country can become so Kafkaesque.

Bella, you’re not alone in violent feelings. It’s inevitable when you’re surrounded by behaviour which every fibre of your being tells you is idiotic. Remember what Mr Lydon sang: “Anger is an energy…”.

They are totally disconnected from the real world. Do they really think that all the late-night takeaways are going to turn away people without masks coming out of pubs? If we don’t make a stand here, we will be stuck with compulsory mask-wearing for years, maybe forever.

It’s a totalitarian technique.Get you to agree to something you both know is a lie.

I’m not agreeing to it. I won’t ever agree to it. I see no point in living in subjugation. I’ve been happy to stand corrected in respect of my ‘soft’ conspiracy theories being too extreme up until recently. But not now. Not when they are forcing us into facemasks, because we all know it won’t stop here. It will soon be an edict to be worn everywhere. So can we please stop pretending that this anything about a virus now and man the barricades? So angry I can’t string a sentence together.

Im with you.Until the mask edict I wasn’t sure whether it was a cock up or conspiracy.There is no doubt now but what do we do.I share your anger and frustration

It was actually visible as a lie back in April/May when it was possible to see the same media techniques being used that were used against Corbyn and the Labour Party (I’m writing about facts – not quotidian party political wrangling)

Two aspects are key :

1. The distortion of events – to the point of direct lies
2. The exclusion of contrary information

You also tend to see the paw-prints of establishment channels of information, such as the security services, feeding distortions to the media. The Guardian and Beeb are always a good litmus to examine if you want to know what’s coming down the tube; you can see the vaccine narrative shaping up at the moment. Watch your backs.

However – when you dig and see that the April spike in mortality was nothing particularly exceptional, and yet the ‘story’ is one of mayhem and disaster – you know that it’s all a confection.

It’s a conspiracy alright. We see with our own eyes who’s one of them and who’s not. Unfortunately it’s almost all of them. No matter where you go in society it’s being controlled by people who don’t work for Britain but are part of a New World Order. They were doing it all in secret for years but for some reason they’ve let themselves be known. This for me is worrying because it suggests that they have in fact secured total control and they don’t see themselves losing. Basically we’re all screwed. I wonder when these leftists are gonna work out that they too are under their jackboot. leftists think they are revolutionaries but are so deluded they’re leading the flock over the edge into total tyranny. Surely some of them must see this.

More now than every Biker, the have entered the room now, the light is on them, we can see them clearly and the door has shut behind them.

Too dim to realise.we have a fascist government who have taken nearly all of our rights away and they attack them for not doing it soon enough and beg for more.The frightening thing is there is zero opposition in Parliament or media and this is worldwide.

Bella, I wrote this to another sceptic just a few minutes ago. I was trying to give some hope and confidence to the person I was writing to.

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Re the shopping/mask thing, I have just been into town. My general impression is this. Lots of small shops won’t be enforcing anything and probably neither will the bigger ones. My attitude is the rules are insane and I ignore them. Anybody who think there are necessary is insane. I actually am starting to find it funny. Perhaps its because I have gone past caring now. I can’t stop people being idiots. If they want to be idiots, well more fool them.

I really don’t care and most of the time I genuinely don’t know what the rules are as I really can’t be bothered to find out. I am starting to find them quite funny actually and taking the piss does cheer me up and helps me cope with it all.

I am going to take the position of just not wearing one, if they stop me from entering, well fair enough, I will find another shop. I might argue my corner and I think this will be pretty easy to do as well.

Don’t forget that you will be dealing with a young shop assistant person, totally demoralised and PPE’ed up the wazzooo and who has already spoken to loads of other customers who won’t wear a mask either. They don’t care and they have been told not to challenge anybody. If you meet a proper zelot well perhaps talk to their boss if you want a fight, or just go somewhere else. There are a few independent shops round here and I am sure most of them won’t be enforcing anything either.

Don’t forget the exemption card and landyards, you could deploy them in a jiffy. I am not going to wear one on display. If having one gives you confidence then wear one. Or just keep it in your pocket.

I would also say, don’t worry about other people giving you problems. It’s easier for me to say that as I a big hairy beardy bloke but honestly I just cannot see anybody threatening you unless you are really really really unlucky. Sure you will meet zealots that might tut at the worst say something but honestly, my response will most likely be to say “duh EXEMPT!”. However I do need to be careful to make sure I am in “my best frame of mind”, calm and collected and in a good mood to deal with this. The worst thing that could happen with me is that I get angry. I really need to watch this one.

I do get angry with these people who think all this madness is a good idea and have no patience what so ever for people who try put their bullshit on me. The police will not be handing out fines either and even if they do its no worse than a parking ticket or driving in a bus lane. So what.

I am getting used to seeing masked up people now too. IT does freak me out because its a very visual sign of the psy-op and compliance with it but actually I am starting not to give a shit either. Don’t get me wrong, I do feel sorry for them too and pity and sympathy is way better than anger. Hopefully any such interaction will go along the lines of a calm few words and I will be off.

That said, I am going to avoid shopping for a while until everybody calms down. Dashing out on Friday for some militant maskless shopping probably isn’t the best approach for me. I will leave that up to the fighty people and they can be in the first wave!

Hopefully in a week or two nobody apart from the very mental will be persisting with it all.

Also, don’t forget just a scarf will suffice IF YOU REALLY REALLY HAVE TO WEAR ONE. I got the air of pirateyness last night as a lot of the guys sitting about in the town square in the Weatherspoons were wearing pirate kneckscarves to pull up when needed, not such a bad look really. I even dug out my PLO scarf, a good excuse to wear it! Looking like a jihadi is a look I can go for.

One other thing I have noticed, there is lot of normal now going on which is very nice to see, masks aside. The mask thing is an attempt to get us all out and about again. Which we really need to do.

Don’t panic, its bad, but its really not as bad as you might think.

Thanks Two-Six. If I had a Keffiyah scarf I might wear it, though then I’d be worried about being assassinated by Mossad

lol

I appreciated it Two-Six, thank you.

Absolutely, though in USA not UK, IMO it is obvious that the mask thing is a political, not medical, agenda, in both countries. Science doesn’t keep slipping back and forth like that.

The PTB keep stating that we “don’t know enough yet.”There is, actually, plenty of evidence on the permeability of cloth and surgical masks to aerosols. In effect they are pressuring scientists, also, to go along with an agenda that they know is false. So, yes, time-proven totalitarian frog in pot of water heating up method: When you have gone along with one absurdity, at what point do you stop? It gets harder and harder to draw any line. So, important to draw the line at this absurdity.
So, I am not wearing a mask out of doors here—only to actually go into the supermarket. .

Wait wait – in banks?

I smell ARMED ROBBERY

Lol imagine it, “999, we’ve just been robbed!

No, no, it’s not urgent. They were wearing masks”.

I think you are insulting tossers by calling him one,I don’t think there is a word strong enough to describe what an utter oozing piece of slime that man is.

I shall be collecting our weekly takeaway tomorrow from the place we have used for 13 years,of course I will be without facial covering,I would hope not to get a negative response,I will have to see.

Do they want to do business or not?

Fuck Mat Handcock and the governments easing restrictions while imposing suffocation. As ever in the clown world it’s always the opposite of what they say. If they say there’s a virus, there’s not, if they say masks save lives, they don’t.

I hate him SO much!

I HATED HIM FIRST!!!

I HATED HIM _MOST_!!!

NO YOU DIDN’T, I DID!! AND I STILL DO!

Well I LOATHE him – so there!

lol

Just been to my local village (suburb of coastal southern town) and was despondent to see ten times as many masks as I have seen before (no exaggeration). I got so miffed that I shouted at one woman what was she so frightened of?.Ashamed to say I coughed my way round the Co-op, driving at least two people out. I’ve never had these feelings before, even when two sheets to the wind, I feel violent now. I feel I want to badly hurt someone. Can we please get this revolution started?

Hi Bella. Are you Sussex based by any chance? I’ve started a group on Keep Britain Free for freedom fighters

I am PaulK yes. Tell me more.

I am PaulK, yes. Tell me more

Cool. Direct chat between members has been added to Keep Britain Free. I’ve started a group called Sussex meet up, currently six strong including The Good Statistician who did a talk last Sunday at Hyde Park. We’re keen to meet up, possibly in Brighton, provide support and see what we can do to help. Interested?