2020-07-25

A catalogue of errors on every front. An abject lesson in how to spend political capital very quickly. Pandemic over reaction, total inability to control rubber boat arrivals, allowing a trial to be concluded where questions of jury interference remain, and now the final indignity, heading towards a ‘level playing field’ fake Brexit…He is only getting away with it for lack of a credible genuinely centre-right alternative…so far….nature hates a vacuum…

Nearly forgot, plus wanton throwing around of tax payers hard earned cash and vote destroying‘ tax reviews’. The funny thing is that when they lose their majority at the next election, they won’t understand why, it will be the voters fault…simple lesson in life, never bite the hand that feeds…when did the Tories morph into New Labour?

Mandatory gloves coming next apparently, it’s almost as though a group of liberals somewhere in a darkened room are amusing themselves by seeing what they can get away with next…

Well – it’s surely much harder to claim ‘exemption’ from gloves, so this is even deeper stasi tactics!

I suppose we could paint/dye our hands a light turquoise blue …

Impetigo

Dermatitis

Sorry Karen, didn’t notice your reply before replying myself. My bad…

Love the name, an Irish Karen.

wear boxing gloves and look as though mean to use them!!
i used to go to bootcamp and in the boxing exercises had a mean right hook and upper cut!! ha

I look like I’m going to use them even without gloves.

Didn’t the wearing of boxing gloves used to be a ‘cure’ for onanism?

That was Corn Flakes, I believe.

Contact dermatitis.

Scabies.

Leprosy.

Those blue gloves are super allergenic and can be quite systemically toxic, they have a lot of NASTY chemicals in them.

Do like Michael Jackson did, only wear one.

Great comment in the Sun “ The healthy sheep will comply as they always do. They would wear a dog turd on their heads if Dr. Hilary told them it would prevent a sniffle.”

Not what I hear. The next edict is to persuade people that walking backwards helps prevent inhalation of the virus.

Presumably to prepare us for the mandatory insertion of the gloved finger up the netherhole while shopping Why not? It will probably “save lives” just as much as masking does.

wear the kenny everett gloves – that would be funny!
What happened to comedy/comedians – they’re so dull these days i can’t watch

“ What happened to comedy/comedians – they’re so dull these days i can’t watch “
“How I Got Cancelled” – Andrew Lawrence

They got cancelled. Except for the ones you can only watch through censored electronic media.

They went woke, sadly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX03hgf_LcM

Brotherly love…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YamEZ_d4eNs

Ryan Long US comedian is doing some good stuff. His ‘snitches for riches’ piece reflects the mask shaming we are seeing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxD-3J9Wvz4

There is no fun or humour allowed we might as well be living in East Germany

Have they got a job lot of “work experience” kids working for the civil service? Maybe they have just left university or are temping. That’s the only explanation that I can think of because whoever is making up these rules clearly has no common sense nor experience of life. They are living in a fantasy world.

They have just discovered Monty Python and are trying to outdo the Ministry of Silly Walks sketch.

Totally unreal. I can’t work out whether most folk deserve pity or contempt for keeping up with the BS.

Contempt for some, pity for the others.

Sigh. Most civil servants work at a computer terminals and have now discovered, like the rest of the world, that it’s perfectly possible to do this at home. Now Boris wants to herd them all back in to stuffy offices to breathe on each other all day long – while business has realised that it can save a bomb by stopping renting office space! The forthcoming debt crisis for property magnates may be what’s driving Boris, rather than anything else. The City of London will not return to normal and that will be worrying him.

Probably the kids of these new nomenklatura who never had to shop because they have minions doing it for them, never take public transport as they’re always being chauffeured, never have to fly commercial because they fly via private jet. In other words they never have to come across the likes of us riff-raff so they have no idea how we live!

Especially when all this is being led by lobby groups, not scientists or politicians. Might be gloves next, it will definitely be masks everywhere outdoors….

masks4all.org.uk

If these people want to change society on our behalf then they should enter politics and get elected instead of sculking in the shadows

Exactly. Weird, oddball cult.

Sensory processing issues? I hope we are all going to wear fingerless gloves!

Well you can’t use a smartphone with nitrile gloves on.

Gloves in healthcare are worn to protect the person wearing them from body fluids/chemicals. Handwashing is done to protect the vulnerable from invisible pathogens. Wearing gloves prohibits and discourages hand washing and increases risk. I will not be gloving up or masking up ever. Until such time as this changes, I stay out.

“The most terrifying words in the English language are: I’m from the government and I’m here to help.” – Ronald Reagan

Well, I have a lovely pair of white crocheted gloves used for a wedding. Lots of holes in them due to being crochet. I’ll use those

Are we allowed to wear Freddy Krueger gloves?

I love it when people blithely talk about ‘the next election’ …

I agree.I can’t see how they will ever let us vote again.And I believe they have not intention of ever paying the money back that they have wasted.

Agree too. We’ll never be allowed to vote again.
But there has to be some way to get rid of bojo (and his complicit chums) and have a leader who will give us our freedoms back.
MPs don’t seem to give a stuff.

There is. But you need a lot more people behind it than we have now. Too early yet.
Edit: And it won’t be looking for someone to “give” us our freedoms back. We’ll have to take them back.

My view entirely. If Blair/Brown et al get their way, we’ll have world government by next year. The US is the tipping point in November

Next year is Council elections in England, and Scottish and Welsh elections for the respective devolved governments. I suspect those will go ahead – put extremists in. That’ll shake the government.

If in Scotland, hold your nose if you must and give the SNP a clean sweep. Boris will hate that.

In Wales, same with Plaid.

I’m never voting Plaid after this – they wanted a more extreme Lockdown than we got with Drakeford. That said, I’m never voting Labour or Tory again. Lib Dems – no. Green – no. I’ll vote for whoever says they would have followed the Swedish model, if anybody is brave enough to put that on their manifesto.

I think I’d rather vote for the Monster Raving Looney Party or None of the Above.

If all I get in my area to pick from is the usual Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, Green… rubbish options I’ll be spoiling the ballot with a ballad on how we should have copied Sweden.

We will be allowed to vote.
But it won’t make any difference. All the parties are as bad as each other. The Tories have co-opted the worst possible policies from each of the other main parties.

Under David Cameron

…when did the Tories morph into New Labour?

Hitchens book ‘The Cameron Delusion’ sheds light on this.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cameron-Delusion-Peter-Hitchens/dp/1441135057

It already has. Blair was Major Mark 2, Brown was Major Mark 3, Cameron #4, May #5, so we are up to Major Mark 6 for Fatso.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53525470

Tony Blair: We will need to learn to live with coronavirus

“The reality is that we’re going to be living with Covid-19 – we’re not really going to be able to eliminate it,”

In fairness I’d agree with that comment. Which is why we need herd immunity. The only way to achieve that is to catch the damned thing. If it really exists, of course.

Scientists e.g. Prof. Sunetra Gupta think we may have already got herd immunity. Certainly, by any reckoning, the epidemic is over so the mask mandate is a psyop to test obedience. So far, we’re doing well . . . .

It doesn’t need to be eliminated. You do. Buzz off Tony!

That bastard wanted ID cards for everyone in the UK, he’s loving this panicdemic as a chance to push his tyrannical ambitions.

Gahhh why are none of them stopping to think, ‘hang on… Do we actually _need_ to eliminate this?’… Them and the general public, how has the consensus become accepted that we can’t go back to normal til its gone, when it’s provable not that fucking bad anyway

What we are doing is definitely not living with it. It’s the collective equivalent of hiding under the bed.

We live with fucking colds too, big deal

His idea of ‘living with the virus’ is biometric ID cards tied to vaccination and health records. He bloody LOVES this shit. It’s his life’s work realised.

Isn’t it tragic when you stand in the voting booth and have to hold your nose and vote for the least worst? I have been doing exactly that since Thatcher, the last PM I voted for with positivity

Ha! you’ll have to wear your mask and gloves and goodness knows what else to vote at the next election

Other way round – New Labour was a Tory virus (a real one). Meanwhile it’s nutters of the right, not ‘liberals’ who are responsible for this shambles, although many seem to be in denial of the bleedin’ obvious.

HS2 go-ahead
Huawei go-ahead until current situation forced a u-turn (maybe)
Immigration

I thought Boris might be a bit flakes, except on Brexit, but he’s exceeded my low expectations.
Talk about finding a deep hole and keep digging. He’ll be all the way to China at this rate.

Not just face mask filth in the sea, but hand poison filth too. Countryfile ( now a nest of zombie zealotry) ran a piece last year on possible polluting effects of antibacterial gel – and that’s long before the zombies started swilling it.

Travelling today, I am not wearing a mask. Autistic son extremely angry and agitated that I am not obeying the rules. Neuro-typical children also made to feel anxious by non-conformance. A great deal of discussion of morality and law required.

My 22 year old daughter told me yesterday that I am a “horrible person” for using my exemption card upon entering a shop. (I have no disability but am a libertarian and lockdown sceptic.) She could offer no evidence for needing a mask but simply believes the UK gov propoganda. I’m saddened and really concerned that such an intelligent individual as she hasn’t researched the counter evidence and is so ready to condemn me.

I regularly post things about the lockdown on Facebook, including one about refusing to wear a mask, accompanied by a link to an article from here. One son agrees with my stance (and went on the anti-mask protest in London) the other, who has lived abroad for several years, completely disagrees, either on Facebook or via more private means. He always quickly counters my posts, usually with some comment that the article is not reliable, with other articles opposing what I’m saying (and I often think his articles are far less reliable than mine) and worries that I am thinking wrongly. He’s an engineer with a 1st class degree. I try to discuss it all calmly but it’s difficult. My husband also disagrees with me. It’s upsetting when your family gets divided, but this will happen.

Would think, from knowing several people with similar conditions, that someone autistic would be more streesed by the PRESENCE not absence of masks. From what I’ve seen lockdown scepticism is pretty common among those with autism, the high functioning ones see through all the bullshit and recognise that the viral risk is neglible (and always has been), the low functioning consider this whole lockdown charade a disastrous disruption to routine without any cause they can understand (and truth be told there is no proper reasoning behind the panic we’ve seen).

Nice to see the VIRUS and the SPREADER sitting together.

And those ar*e-licking Tory blue shoes…

Boris is being disingenuous about his mistakes, and I think he knows it. I live in hope that the truth will eventually out, but it looks like the Government is giving itself plenty of time to create an alternate reality – masks until the middle of next year? Really?

“Disingenuous”. What a very genteel word that is.

And people will accept the forced vaccination program if it means dispensing with masks and other restrictions. As Boris says, we’d be nuts to refuse the jab this winter

I think he’s referring to the flu jab. But erm, wasn’t that believed to be a partial cause of bad symptoms reckoned to maybe perhaps be the virus?

That is what Dolores Cahill suggested on a podcast not too long ago. Some vaccines precipitated adverse reactions that led to contracting Covid-19, especially in Northern Italy. Those vaccinations were given way before the outbreak after Christmas 2019.

And see here -Dr John Campbell explains “Flu Vaccination and Covid 19 risk” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utMREADbtAc

Some time ago (I am doing this from memory, so cannot provide a link) the US army found that multiple flu vaccines on an individual could cause vaccine interference and result in a person suffering more sever reactions to viruses where otherwise a mild or asymptomatic response would have been expected.There is a good video on ‘Perspectives on the pandemic’, Judy Mikovits and Robert Kennedy Jr, 3 in total. Good insight into viruses, retroviruses and dementia,negative effects of masks, her work in HIV, her findings regarding the negative effects of some vaccines grown on mice brain cells etc. Basically a huge range of stuff and very interesting.

Lying out of his arse you mean? C’mon, some of us only went to a bog (sub-)standard comprehensive.

If people wear them for long enough, they become habit, then psychologically necessary.

You’re right, that is what worries me. I have to wear them at work all the time. It now feels like something is wrong without one, you find yourself covering your mouth. It’s so bloody bad.

New normal mentioned at the 2019 Economic Policy Symposium in Jackson Hole.

https://kansascityfed.org/publications/research/escp/symposiums/escp-2019

From the speech by Chair Powell:

“Era III, 2010 and After: Monetary Policy and the Emerging New Normal
The third era began in 2010 as the recovery from the Great Recession was taking hold. My focus in discussing this era will be on a “new normal” that is becoming apparent in the wake of the crisis. “

From Mark Carney’s speech:

IV. Medium term: reshuffling the deck by reforming the existing system
In the new world order, a reliance on keeping one’s house in order is no longer sufficient. The neighbourhood too must change.
There can be innocent bystanders but there should be no disinterested observers. We are all responsible for fixing the fault lines in the system.

There are a few more comments in his complete speech that are very similar:

https://kansascityfed.org/~/media/files/publicat/sympos/2019/governor%20carney%20speech%20jackson%20hole.pdf?la=en

Very, very worrying.

I know this is off topic, but this is so depressing, I needed a laugh.

what these fine upholders of law and order need….

Supports for Copper’s knees..

Brilliant Ethelred!

“I used to be a police officer, but then i took a woke arrow to the knee.”

Was that a Billy Graham rally?

Looking at the disposing of hazardous waste, i.e masks, they can only be dropped or discarded by mask wearers.

Certainly isn’t our fault :>)

Silly boy, it is, obviously, Trump’s fault!

Ministers ‘looking at’ whether public should wear gloves to stop spread of coronavirus

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/24/gloves-may-next-step-masks-battle-against-covid-19-infection/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/12216052/public-wear-gloves-coronavirus/

That is the most disgustingly unhygienic measure they could possibly come up with!
Let’s hope the Lords go back to sleep and it gets forgotte about!
Maybe summer recess isn’t such a bad idea.

They have gone completely bonkers.
Like the Belgians today.
Or, it’s all part of a really cunning plan.

NEXT…..

Hazmat Suits For Air Travel Sold Out-But Will They Be Allowed Onboard?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexledsom/2020/07/16/hazmat-suits-for-air-travel-selling-fast-but-will-they-be-allowed-onboard/#f162cf777719

Retail therapy a thing of the past as shoppers face Mask-Up Friday

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/24/retail-therapy-thing-past-shoppers-face-mask-up-friday/

So if the government wanted people to be more confident about going out shopping, mandating masks is the worst choice possible.

Got bored so sent this e-mail to some national newspapers, the BBC, Sky, ITV etc yesterday.

So far not one – no surprise there. I feel like letting rip at my MP one last time.

“On the 21st July 2020 the Chief Medical Officer of England, Dr Chris Whitty, appeared before a Parliamentary select committee for health and social care.

Under questioning he stated the following on record:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

This, in effect, means that “the virus” infection rate was dropping drastically BEFORE the incarceration of the population started and that the existing precautions – wash hands properly, coughing etiquette, stay at home if you feel ill – were effectively controlling the spread of “the virus”.

It also means that the peak of the infections occurred PRIOR to the population incarceration commenced and as the average time from catching “the virus” to death has been widely stated as 23 days with the peak numbers of deaths occurring approximately 10-14 days from commencement of the incarceration it means that the imprisonment of the population and destruction of the economy has had NO effect whatsoever.

My question especially in light of the above quote is:

Why is this not reported in the MSM?”

Great video
12 Reasons not to Mandate Masks
https://www.anhinternational.org/news/behind-the-masks/

“It is no longer about health or science but it became political. The establishment wants to convince us to wear masks because personally wearing a mask psychologically cements in the person this idea that we live in a world where there are dangerous viral pathogens and that the only way you can be protected is to accept that the state is going to control your life and is going to give you vaccines . It is fear based. It is a frenzy, its like a call to war. It is irrational.”

— Prof Denis Rancourt PhD —

Agree.
And I also think that wearing masks and SD are really omly implemented to squash face to face conversations, particularly in groups, to prevent any dissent from coming up and spreading untraceable and uncontrollable.

I really agree with you. I’m not on board with the whole Agenda Whateveritis stuff, but I am on board with the fact that people are trying to make lots of money, in perpetuity, from ‘obligatory’ annual strain-based vaccination for every common ailment (flu, cold, eventually vomiting bugs etc.) A jab for everything you could possibly catch. No more illness. Ever. (In theory, because nature always finds a way).

Anything natural that butts up against this idea must be suppressed until it can be implemented. That includes people talking about what a scam Covid is.

Will Boris’s war on obesity succeed?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/podcast/will-boris-s-war-on-obesity-succeed-

Also on the podcast: when is normality going to return, and are anti-vaxxers ‘nuts’?

SV40 – no.

Truly depressing. They should be ashamed

I posted yesterday

We absolutely cannot trust any nutrition advice by the Government. They still use the outdated food pyramid. At the bottom of the pyramid they recommend that we stuff ourselves with a lot of carbohydrates. They even recommend low fat diets that have been debunked. We need good quality fats in our diet and good quality proteins (the building blocks of our bodies).

We are all different and our bodies react differently to different foods – it is not as simple as calories in and out. Some people are very sensitive to carbohydrates and gain weight weight quickly.

The Government’s war on obesity is therefore a red herring

Or yet more opportunism from the seed companies, the frankenmeat manufacturers and the makers of artificial sweeteners.

The Govt has no intention of conducting a war on obesity. Obesity, and the diabetes it invariably leads to, are good for the economy. Cheap junk-starch makes megabucks for PepsiNabiscoKelloggCorp, then when we get sick the medical and pharmaceutical industries step in – generating employment for doctors and nurses, and a lot of profit for Glazo & co. Obesity is good for the politicans too, because sick, dependant people are in no position to challenge them or hold them to account.

If you’re waiting for the authorities to make you healthy then you’ll be waiting a long time. I’ve been low-carb for a decade now. I’m 62, no illness, no tablets, and I wiegh ten stone zero. You’ve got to do it for yourself – fatso Johnson ain’t gonna help.

That’s it. I eat plenty of fresh green vegetables, meat, fish or eggs, with the occasional week when I eat only soft fruit. I avoid (but have not completely cut out) complex carbs such as bread, potatoes, and pasta, and any chocolate I eat is min 70% cocoa. I avoid processed sugar like the plague.

PS Gents, I recommend broccoli for good prostate health.

You’ve got it, Nick. Stay with it mate.

Why the fruit weeks? Fructose fest!

The OH (other half) and I are low carb too. I can thoroughly recommend it. Intermittent fasting is also good. We both have health issues (cancer, asthma) but despite that we’re actually in very good nick at 67 and 71, pretty slim and we are keeping as fit as we possibly can so we can stay out of the hands of big pharma and the ‘health professionals’.

In my opinion you’ve got the politics right too. There’s big money to be made from keeping everyone fat and ill. We’re now in the interesting situation that , as people become increasingly poor, they will only be able to afford junk food. Tax that and we’re looking at mass starvation. Our perception is that people really have got fatter during the Lock-up (apart from the manic cyclists!)

So, it’s really just another psyop. Make it seem as if they really care about our health and well-being as they take away everything that makes life worth living and destroy communication between us.

Thanks for your comment, Miriam and good health to you and your OH with your low carb regime. Your politics is spot-on, too! There’s a correlation between lower incomes and obesity, for the reason you have explained. So the lockdown is going inevitably to lead to more obesity – yet another negative result of the current nonsense.

They love to come up with one size fits all directives. A waste of time and a waste of taxpayer monies.

Those directives are a goldmine for those businesses who profit from them.

the government have been doing wonders for obesity so far this year . All those kids not at school and not participating in sports and P.E ( for those schools that still do it) and sitting at home eating junk food .. Same goes for many of the parents.
Unfortunately a proportion of the population are feckless and stupid and will eat junk food. Many say they cannot afford decent food…. but what they are saying is they cannot be bothered to spend time cooking a meal and sitting at a table to eat it. And they think that removing adverts for junk food before the watershed will stop this? If that was the case then i would eat my horse (with vegetables – healthy and nutritious)

Doesn’t sound too healthy for your horse though…

Good read as ever, Toby.

Unperturbed by Toby’s store debacle, would anyone else like to see more great pieces of great art available as T-shirts & Tote-bags – a great addition to attire for any sane non-mask wearers?

I do so wish more artists and their publishers could be persuaded to marketing such merchandise to spread sane messages a little wider.

These are my 2 favourites – has anyone else others to recommend?

Bob (Telegraph):
https://www.bobmoran.co.uk/shop-originals-2020/250720

Luca D’Urbino (Economist):
https://www.behance.net/gallery/94567475/The-Economist-Cover-Big-State

London Underground closer to capacity at weekends as people look to ‘break monotony’ of staying home

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/24/london-underground-closer-capacity-weekends-people-look-break/

I find I can no longer watch or listen to Johnson. The anger that boils up is simply too uncomfortable. Like Blair or Cameron after their wars of choice, he has become worse than dead to me. At least in the case of Blair he was nominally a leader of the political “other side”, for me. The betrayal by supposed “conservative” leaders has been by far the more damaging, because it means there is nowhere left to turn, politically.

“ So Boris is (sort of) admitting that he should have imposed a lockdown earlier, even though he shouldn’t, and claiming the reason he didn’t is because he hadn’t realised back then that scientists studying the disease wrongly assumed asymptomatic transmission was a key driver of the pandemic, even though every man and his dog thought that back in March. However, he has now embraced this assumption – just when we have good reason to doubt it – and is now fully prepared for the next wave, i.e. the Government will repeat the same mistake it made in March and indiscriminately lock up the sick as well as the healthy this winter . ”

A pretty good assessment of the personal qualities of the man.

Never forget. Never forgive.

Absolutely with you on that, Mark. He is indeed one of the growing list of PMs through my life that I would like to cancel!

Same goes here for the USA presidents.
Can’t bear to watch or listen to ANY of them.
Since 1980, Reagan election.
Nixon was a Cicero compared to what followed.

I had such high hopes of him, now dashed on the rocks of uselessness…

likewise mark – i can’t listen to the bloke – he just spouts soundbites in that irritating bumbling eerr errr hhmmm hmmm and patronising manner – it’s highly irritating and raises my blood pressure too much.
He has a very over inflated ego, self-belief and arrogance and is so characteristic of the public school elites who look down on the little people. Reminds me of the generals in the WW1 who were so out of their depth and experience and ignorantly sent thousands to their deaths with no shame.

I kind of went along with his election bumblings with the positive spin etc … but this shitshow i cannot listen to him or any government minister with their diabolic spin on it – they must think we’re flippin idiots!

Unfortunately, with respect to a huge chunk of the population, they are right!

It is his version of the Weapons of Mass Destruction … Programmes subtle (but not so subtle) nudge. He needs to be at The Hague for what he has done to his fellow citizens.

I hear that Nuremberg has an empty diary . . .

He’s more muddled than Winnie the Pooh.

How dare you.I happen to think Winnie the Pooh would make an excellent Prime Minister. Especially given the competition.

I agree. Pooh would say ‘bother’ and go searching for a pot of hunny. Boris would probably say ‘bother’ and pass a law banning hunny.

Last year I bought hundreds of Pooh/Piglet/Tigger/Eeyore stickers on Amazon, stuffed them in my Winnie the Pooh tote bag and gave them away to children walking down the street with their mothers, on buses, nursery schools, etc. I put them on bus shelter adverts, lamp posts, here there and everywhere. I was a self-appointed Pooh propagandist. Whenever I crossed the street at an intersecition I made sure that Pooh’s face was facing the vehicles waiting for the light to change. Several times last year a child would get on the bus I was riding, see my bag and exclaim ‘it’s Pooh Bear! This year I would have been thrown off the bus and taken into custody for endangering the lives of the chiiiiillllldren.

Hope you sent some to China, encourage the locals to rise up against their dictators. The evil piece of work running that totalitarian state is said to look like to Pooh (and get very angry when the comparison is presented), not odd that Boris should be the same as Jinping in this respect, as well as all the ways he’s signed away our rights.

Is this the real Boris? Or do we have a “doppelganger” put in place by the Deep State when the real Boris was “ill” with coronavirus. Asking for a friend!

Luton’s mayor broke lockdown rules as town’s coronavirus infections surged

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/24/lutons-mayor-broke-lockdown-rules-towns-coronavirus-infections/

On the one hand, good for him exercising his own judgement on the other hand another example of a “do as I say but not as I do politician”.

He’s a very naughty boy! Yawn.
Is this news, or a load of scandalmongering that’s past its sell-by date?
They’re scraping the bottom of the barrel – or is Luton next in the firing line for a local lockdown?

They could save time and trouble by just locking down the mayor.
Note: Luton, like Leicester, is very very Effnick.

Hopes for ‘game-changer’ coronavirus antibody test sinking fast | News | The Times

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hopes-for-game-changer-coronavirus-antibody-test-sinking-fast-cd06fwc7j

Now there’s a surprise!

It doens’t matter any more because they’re going to put “it” into the flu jab.

Coronavirus testing may end travel quarantine | News | The Times

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-testing-may-end-travel-quarantine-39v38qfmc

wrong place

Why Sweden remains face mask-free

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/24/sweden-remains-face-mask-free-world/

Enough moaning about masks. The wartime generation would think we were babies
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/07/25/enough-moaning-masks-wartime-generation-would-think-babies/

The wartime generation here think this is stupid and “a lot of nonsense” they also think they should carry on as normal looking after themselves and being careful. Which is exactly what they do.

Brave, brave Sweden. Such a shame Anders Tegnell isn’t our Chief Scientist.

I posted this on yesterdays page before I realised today’s was out,sorry if you’ve already seen it !

I was surprised to be asked why I didn’t have a mask on when I went in my local takeaway last night,they have always been sceptical of all the CV crap and I told them that I would never wear a mask when we were talking a couple of weeks ago.The conversation went,
‘sorry,you need a mask ‘.
‘no,I am exempt’
‘ oh,okay,exempt,didn’t know about exemptions,why are you exempt ? ‘,
‘I don’t have to give you a reason or proof of a reason’
‘ Okay,that’s fine with us,no problem ‘
To be fair to them they weren’t pushy and I have known them quite a while so,afterwards,even though I didn’t need to,I did explain my genuine health reason for not wearing a mask as well as my conscientious objection to being forcibly muzzled and I did show them the exemption card I had in my pocket.
They were very interested as they didn’t know much about exemptions and how to react to someone who claims exemption,in fact it turns out one of the chaps wives has a severe disability and has been struggling badly with wearing a mask so he was pleased he could now tell her she didn’t need to wear one.
I was pleased that the first time I have been confronted about being maskless went well and I was able to have a decent sensible conversation with people about it.
It seems the owners of the takeaway are worried because the local council have implied that they are liable if any customer does not wear a mask,I told them this is not true,it is the person without the mask who could get a fine,they have no obligation to enforce the law.

Had a telephone conversation with my hairdresser yesterday about her policy of mandatory masks for clients. Salon decided to adopt face nappies because to paraphrase, if we have to wear visors to protect you, it’s only right that you wear a mask to protect us. Undaunted I continued. I am exempt I said. Oh in that case just prove it and you can come in. How do I prove it I asked. The reply was get a letter from your doctor or something. The rest of the conversation is irrelevant to the main points. These being the ignorance displayed by the salon re the efficacy of masks, and the arrogance to think they have a right to demand proof. So much for being a valued customer!

I was told by my local Toni and Guy place (a couple of weeks ago) that it was company policy that customers must wear masks. I said I didn’t want to, but they insisted. After four months of my 19 year old son cutting my hair, I needed a haircut badly so I complied. But I later contacted the head office and was told this:
Thank you for your email.

I can confirm you will not be refused service if you choose not to wear the mask provided however, we do encourage our clients to wear the face masks we provide, this is to ensure the Health and Safety of our clients and staff members.

If you have any other queries please do not hesitate to contact us.

Kind Regards

Danielle
TONI&GUY Client Care

Since masks are not required in hairdressers under the new regs I look forward to going back for my next appointment and enlightening the manager there.

Visors are a hoot. I saw a hairdresser cutting the fringe of a customer. Customer in chair. Hairdresser standing behind and reaching over the top of the customer to cut/fiddle with fringe – normal and typical. Every breath the hairdresser exhaled was funnelled onto the head and shoulders of the customer.

Goof old customer was happily unaware ‘safe’ behind their mask.

Which was probably also funneling the customers breath back towards the hairdresser…

Wow, the government have told the truth about this, no doubt to cover their posteriors, but the council are downright liars!

Had to fill car up today. Had no mask (obviously!). 2 other people maskless out of 5 went into pay without a mask, plus me of course. No questions asked, no interest shown. Man behind perspex screen was sporting a mask. 2 blokes stacking shelves – one with who mask at all and the other with his round his neck!

Use pay at pump. Pump doesn’t give an oil fart what you are wearing.

Found this article that quotes a 2018 article on the link between mask wearing and blood clots:

https://thefreedomarticles.com/hypoxia-blood-clot-connection-study-cdc-who-study/

A depressing article if ever there was one:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jul/24/the-masks-are-everywhere-today-englands-shoppers-finally-cover-up

Pretty much one-sided, as you would expect from The Guardian (glad to see everyone in Stratford had got the “memo”).

Propaganda and psychological warfare increasing daily in leaps and bounds.

Are that LDS emails still going out? I haven’t had one for days.

yes

Yes

Went to local supermarkets yesterday – Waitrose, Tesco, Aldi. Not a word spoken, no problems at all. A couple of ‘Please wear a face covering’ posters. Gel/mask lady at Tesco, but optional. Queue at Aldi, fairly busy, Waitrose/Tesco quieter than normal. A few people without masks in Waitrose and Tesco; none in Aldi – was a very brief visit though.

I overheard (was possibly meant to) one woman in Waitrose asking ‘But I thought everyone had to wear a mask ?’. Response was good, not if they are exempt, we’re not allowed to ask them.

Pubs in the evening – asked to leave one, more later – 2nd pub great, paid cash at bar , then Harveys, outside, handshakes, ciggies, much hilarity.

Haircut this morning, barber wore visor, didn’t do full beard trim just the edges, otherwise fine.

Noticeably more mask-wearing in public. It is hard to think of suitable treatment for those who put them on children.

Quite agree re children. There are some f**king idiots out there.

Roughly what part of the country are you in?

Sussex, near Lewes.

Good info if anyone questions you stance:

https://thefreedomarticles.com/busted-11-covid-assumptions-based-on-fear-not-fact/

When, eventually, the hysteria dies down and the people wake up and survey the wreckage I think Boris will be seen as a tragic figure, as well as a clown.  Despite his obvious and plentiful flaws he had an unlikely but clear opportunity to act like his beloved Churchill – he could have followed his first, correct, instinct to “be like Sweden” and emerge as a hero who took a decision that was unpopular with the masses (remember appeasement was the clear will of the country at the time) but completely vindicated by events.  But as we know that requires character, strength of will and any number of other qualities that the despicable charlatan lacks.

Can’t remember if this website has been posted on here before so I’ll put it on anyway just in case:

https://evidencenotfear.com/evidence/

Opening words from the BBC website a couple of days ago evening:

“There is now almost no excuse for not wearing a face mask while out shopping in England – covering your face is as essential as remembering your cash or bank card.”

not the government – the BBC. But is there a difference?

“excuse” is very telling: it puts us in the role of misbehaving children who can be punished;

“reason” would be a better word, but that would put us in the role of thinking adults capable of presenting sensible arguments. Not desirable.

Government proposes – BBC disposes. This is the most shockingly open expression of the BBC’s totalitarian instincts I’ve yet seen.

‘ The Four Quadrants of Conformism ‘

That’s an interesting essay, which for me represents a(n apparent) leftist beginning to have to come to terms with the consequences of the more or less complete triumph of the left and its transformation into the ruling elite and the ruling dogma, over the past few centuries (gaining speed throughout so that most of the visible movement has been in the past few decades).

Just as conservatives struggle to work out how to address a situation in which society has been changed so radically that there is nothing left to conserve, so radicals struggle when the nominal radicals are in fact the entrenched elites suppressing dissent from their dogmas.

This doesn’t mean that, as many like to claim, left and right are no longer relevant. These terms represent profoundly significant and fundamental aspects of human nature, and of beliefs about some of the basic aspects of reality. but it certainly complicates their application in practice.

That’s excellent. Many thanks.

We have lived through a PC revolution in our times. It has similarities with some other revolutions in mass consciousness e.g. the switch from Georgian creativity and openness to stifling Victorian prudery, the Maoist cultural revolution (so hating of the past) and the Protestant Reformation (far
More and destructive than most people realise).

And to that collection of revolutions I would add the islamic revolution since 1979, when fundamentalist islam started to throw its weight around. The middle east is unrecognisable now compared with 30 years ago.

Excellent.
Bari Weiss of the NYT, apparently admired by Toby Young, is an aggressive conformist type:

“[4] There has been progress in one area: the punishments for talking about banned ideas are less severe than in the past. There’s little danger of being killed, at least in richer countries. ***The aggressively conventional-minded are mostly satisfied with getting people fired***.’

Weiss has gotten a lot of people fired. Her own “self-firing” is some kind of stunt—a lateral career move of some kind, to get into a position at a difference “influence silo” than the NYT.

BTW, there seem to be very few USA-ians here at LS. This is surprising.

Don’t forget a “conservative” in Russia is a dyed-in-the-wool unapologetic Stalinist.

Not necessarily. There are plenty of conservatives who are also authoritarian and in Russia they often do hark back to Stalinist times, but more commonly a conservative in Russia is a Christian.

For “quiet” rebels may I recommend the wearing of the mask under the chin while out shopping. It’s still an annoying infringement of one’s civil liberties but at least you know you are directly contravening the government’s commandment and you are also annoying a lot of self-righteous Maskies. Also if like me you can claim any sort of exemption that will further stir the pot if you do get challenged. .

Also you are not endangering your own health apart from possibly developing a chin rash!

This was my reply to your same comment yesterday:

Mmm not sure I understand what you are saying. If you say you are exempt there should not be any confrontation. We either stand up for our ‘rights’ or follow instructions.

If you have a mask around your neck, you indicate that you are willing to wear a mask or have been wearing a mask so in affect you are complying.

Things have changed. We all have to stand up and fight for our rights and liberties.

I agree. Also if you wear mask round neck, more likely to get virtue signallers passive aggressively telling you it how to wear it.

Hasn’t happened to me yet.

Might be good to get the virtue signalers speaking to you, then you get an opportunity to speak back, and while you might still have one round your neck you’ll be the one who can talk at full volume without being muzzled.

I don’t agree. You are undermining conformism.

I agree.
And there are a LOT of people adopting this strategy here.
Call it maybe “passive aggressive noncormity.”
The mask-around-neck look has almost become a fashion statement. Esp. among men. I expect it to have some influence on “actual” fashion in the near future. In the winter, when people are wearing warmer clothes, I bet there will be a neckwear look based on the noncompliant mask “scarf” or “necklace.”

The more people see that others, too, are just going through the motions, the more (I hope) the whole charade will start to be tacitly recognized for what it is and will fall of its own weight.

This doesn’t make sense, though surely? The law is only about wearing it inside shops, so the obvious conclusion when you see someone with it around their neck outside is precisely that they are conforming and are wearing the mask ready to pull it up when they enter a shop?

The only time it would represent dissent is if you were to leave it pulled down when inside a shop, in which case why wear it at all?

In my town, on my island, in my county, USA, one is directed to wear a mask all the time. So any form of noncompliance undermines the narrative of maskwear. The governor of Mass—sorry, that’s Massachusetts—has also introduced NEW quarantine directions for people who visit from states that have high postiive “cases.” Since this is a tourist area with many one-week-or-less stays, the whole thing makes little sense and probably cannot be enforced. But does give greater scope for scolders of various sorts.

Setting a great example here on correct mask-wearing and 1m social distancing.

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Sorry, suspect paywall.

I’m a quiet rebel too (actually a coward because I think that our town has a high proportion of mask zealots if the past few weeks are anything to go by )

My face mask is made from a patterned net curtain with lots of holes, and is more like a very short ‘niqab’ that does not reach to my chin and allows loads of air to circulate. Also the elastic straps are a bit long so it keeps slipping down below my nose….

I’m seriously wondering about going down the exemption route though. I suffer from claustrophobia and after about 5 mins in a more normal mask I was starting to get really anxious as it got all hot and damp around my nose and mouth.

Reading the article about the disabled girls who were harangued by a mask-wearing moron on a train, I strongly suspect that people here hoping to use “exemption” from wearing masks will be disappointed in the long run. From the article:

‘We welcome the Government’s introduction of ‘exemption cards’, but more must be done to raise public awareness of who is exempt from wearing face coverings, so the public are on board and disabled people feel supported.’

I predict that anyone who waves a card bought off the internet may, in fact, be subject to more self-righteous abuse from the mask-wearing public than if they didn’t have a card at all. Not only will the mask zealot be feeling virtuous about the mask, they’ll be feeling virtuous about their ‘awareness’ and tolerance of genuine disabled people. When they see you with your laser-printed card, they’re not going to like it.

The saddest thing from the article is that the girl subjected to the abuse says:
‘
Not enough people are taking this pandemic seriously but this behaviour is never acceptable.

That’s my concern about claiming exemptions – it inherently concedes the legitimacy of the rules themselves, even if that is not our intention.

But not everyone is in a position to openly confront authority, or the mob.

What if Rosa Parks had a badge to say she had a bad leg! Joke

Rosa Parks had more courage than few others ever manage. Else what she started would have happened before. Someone to admire.

I’ve thought about her a bit recently and absolutely someone to admire.

Mark, the nasty woman on the train would almost certainly not have challenged a man. Middle-aged women in particular will be very nasty to other women, younger women, and teenagers/children, boys and girls alike.

As I posted yesterday. A plea to all men – please lead the way in thwarting the mask nazis.

A plea to all women – search your soul, support your sisters who were given Primodos or who had vaginal mesh implants, and shun the vaccine bandwagon by boycotting this winter’s Flu jab if you are not on the pre-existing list.

I agree,seven out of the eight times in the past months someone has had a go at my wife about distancing in shops it has been a middle aged woman.No-one has ever said a word when I have been with her.

These are the “Karens.”
My definition of this term is women who see themselves as proxies for authority, self-appointed as being given a right—a duty—to enforce rules promulgated by authorities of various kinds on strangers, including other adults.
Thus, in the lingo of seventies, “authoritarian personality” enforcers.

It also comes from centuries of having no voice.

I don’t think any of them are centuries old. Just middle aged, at most, and never personally experienced any society other than a universal suffrage one.

Nah it comes from however long they’ve been alive with a self-esteem problem that they project onto other women who don’t have one.

A fair point, and we all need to do as much as we feel able, to confront and to undermine this disgusting situation, and to help and support others who try to do so.

The concern, though is that there is a much higher risk of actual violence when men are involved in such confrontations.

My first experience under the latest regime was going into my local Co-op yesterday. Previously almost nobody wore masks there. Yesterday, I was one of only two not wearing whilst I was in there. I know the management will not enforce the requirement, so there is no need to hide behind any exemption tag.

As I walked in (briskly because I don’t enjoy shopping and had no intention of wasting any more time at it than absolutely necessary) I was challenged by a man on his way out who chirped up “you’ve to wear a mask, mate” in an aggressive tone, so I just growled “no, I don’t” to him as I swept past. If I had stopped to argue with him it could easily have developed into a physical confrontation, and now is not the time for such in my judgement. Wait until the initial rush of compliance has died down and people start to become more jaded about the whole thing.

For the moment, just the sight of people not wearing these badges of submission is what is most important.

I agree with that. Yes, man-on-man challenge is more likely to escalate to physical abuse than woman-on-woman. My mother has challenged men in the past for very bad language in public places, and a woman once for hitting her child in public, but that was in 1970s Newcastle, and times were different. I once challenged a youth ‘of colour’ on the Tube many years ago in a similar manner, and a very large lady ‘of colour’ grabbed me and intimated to be careful. She was genuinely concerned, I took the cue, and we smiled at each other. You have to read the situation.

Hmm, the feminazis will use masculinity as a badge of shame – and be doubly attacking!

True.one of these women had a go at my 17 yo daughter yesterday,she was laughing at her friend over something then was admonished with the words your wouldn’t be laughing if you were in ICU’
What sort of world are we now living in?

Get your daughter to answer along the lines of “I didn’t know xxxxx had the monopoly on being arseholes”.

XXX being whatever your daughter wants – as she is 17 I’d say she says “young women”.

Well said TT.

Yup. Karens frigging LoVe me!!

Just print the government one then. I have a legit reason but I’d have done it anyway. GPs who aren’t able to conduct routine screenings or see patients certainly won’t have the capacity to issue exemption letters so I think it will remain self certified. And tbh I think the government is deliberately offering people a way out because they know this is not about “stopping the spread” but about getting the most scared out of their houses.

I certainly agree with that last part. The broad wording of the exemptions and the fact that self-certification is the only process says to me that the government know it’s a nonsense and are trying to avoid it causing confrontation.

If they want to get the terrified out from their houses, the thing to do is lift ALL restrictions and let us get on with our lives. When the overly timid see we’re not dying in the streets, they’ll come out.

I don’t think they want people to come out. I think they want to maintain the illusion that there’s a terrifying virus out there.
Sometimes, the Cabinet members’ blatant mendacity makes me wonder if they’re disappointed by how gullible the public has been and getting rather bored with the whole thing.

‘Hey! chaps, I’m bored, shall we have another laugh and force the zombies to hop around supermarkets on one leg?’
‘Too obvious, Ken, we want something really, really funny.’
‘Face masks on babies?’
‘Good one!’

I’ve got the hidden disabilities badge attached to the bright Sainsbury’s green & sunflower lanyard. Visited to 2 Boots stores for friend, small village one immediately asked I just held up badge and said I’m exempt. Bigger branch wasn’t bothered. No hassle.

The other point is that it was a female teenager who was being bullied. If the victim had been a six foot shaven-haired muscly male with tattoos, not a word would have been spoken.

My friend and I had a slightly similar encounter in a church in the City of London where we were forced to sanitise our hands and leave our details for the NHS T&T. We refused so walked out.

I can guarantee you if we were two 6 foot tall blokes built like Arnold S or two black men or even two black women, we would never have been forced to do any of the above.

You guys deifnitely have a point. It reminds me of the Tv Licence goons and the fact that the people who are prosecuted for not paying are invaribly women. Because women are easy targets who are easily bullied into letting them in their houses and don’t argue with them.

Yep. We just sent a letter of complaint to the Bishop of London for this appalling behaviour.

Just went to my local Morrisons (North-West England). Besides me, the only others not masked there were 2 teenage boys, 1 man with his masked wife, 1 middle aged woman, a few had their masks round their chins. No dirty looks, no comments. Will be shopping there again.

Keep up the good work Toby. You’re doing this country a great favour

SCIENCE FRAUD: Florida Gov. calls for investigation into why people are testing “positive” for coronavirus tests they never received
“According to reports, Gov. DeSantis has asked the state’s Department of Health to look into the situation further. He announced that it makes no sense whatsoever that people who were never even evaluated by a practitioner are now receiving anomalous positive test results that are being used by some to push for more lockdowns and mask-wearing.

Now it appears as though people who were never even tested are being told, possibly at random, that they have the coronavirus, which further skews the official statistics and makes it seem as though “spikes” of infection are occurring when they are actually not.”

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-07-24-desantis-investigation-people-testing-positive-coronavirus-never-tested.html

Because this is a political scam and Johnson must know it is, so he’s doubly bad in my eyes! He’s a fake!

Why are they in it?
Why are people like Trump and Johnson U-turning and acting against all their prior beliefs?
Why has Toennies skimped on retesting his infected workers for free to whitewash himself after a talk with PM Laschet?

It doesn’t make any sense.

I have seen no evidence either the PM or Trump have much in the way of beliefs, other than in their own greatness

I suspect Bloris didn’t know what he was getting himself into until he was up to the neck. Maybe that’s why he looks so haggard nowadays.

Why doesn’t he get out or come clean? I’m sure the real powers that be have a powerful hold over him.

The good news is – if you prefer Trump to ‘sleepy Joe’ Biden, as I do – De Santis is a Trump ally. Florida is the swing state in this election. Texas looks as though it is well past the worst of the virus, and in any event, the oil industry has had its second bailout, and California is Democrat heaven. A scandal in Florida to make the virus appear worse than it is, must be a few extra points on the Republican ticket? The best chance of the corona madness ending is if Trump gets a second term, in my view.

Agree.

I agree on all counts. Trump is hands down better than Biden (who is just basically being primed to be Hillary Clinton’s sock puppet). You can tell what Trump really thinks because that’s the first thing that comes out of his mouth (i.e. Covid is just flu, masks are bullshit, HCQ works) – 50% of the time he’s right (he was with Covid). After that he’ll flipflop as it suits him politically – but his FIRST statement (before the media advisors get to him ;p) is always what he really thinks. This to me is way better (and way more predictable – despite what everyone says about him being a wildcard) than some lying bloody Democrat who talks the game and means absolutely nothing they say.

Well done ‘Mask Man’ for not stepping on the cracks and so avoiding the bears.

I am a bear.
This is not fair.
A bear has to eat.
Masks are a cheat.

Early start for me this morning, bus passed me 07:30, chap on the top deck on his own wearing a black mask and huge headphones.

1st thing I thought was guantanamo bay inmate. Sad days.

Overheard a conversation at the golf club, chap literally salivating at the thought of a vaccine. Sad days

I hear a lot of that, along the lines of “Can’t wait for the vaccine so this can all be over”. This is exactly the objective – make life so miserable that people will be desperate for the vaccine.

nuts to big pharma

• The last link under “Round up”
• ‘ Official exemption card for face masks rolled out to stop abuse ‘ – The Government has started issuing mask exemption lanyards according to the Sun. Get ’em while stocks last folks

Is this government rowing back? Realising they’ve unleashed something very nasty, getting people to turn on each other and they have got to do something about it?

If I understand the matter correctly you go on a government website – this one:-

( https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own )

download perfunctory looking exception “notice” which you can print off paste on a card and wear round your neck – or just download on your mobile!. No doctor’s certificate required. One certify’s oneself!

Isn’t “extreme anxiety” a ground for exemption? And isn’t anxiety being inflicted on anyone who doesn’t want to wear a mask?

Ah! – but it has to be “extreme” – how does one prove that? Profuse sweating?

Absolute Charlies

There’s too much charlieism around for me to buy into it. What evidence do we see of a cock-up? None. Plenty of apparent results of cock-ups but never evudence or explanation. One of our great problems is thinking these people in charge have similar morals as us and so we judge them according to our own morals. It’s a simple explanation that suits our belief system. But at some point, without evidence of mistakes, it will be realised we give them a free pass every time. What’s more, they know we do.

Not a jab at you 2-6. A general comment brought about by your word. Thanks for your great comments.

I was being polite, like in the war. It’s code for C*&^s

Charlies. Gotcha! Twosixer Oscar and out.

What does “Charlies” mean?

According to 2 6 it means cunts. But i took it to mean chumps.

That’s always been my take on it.

How would one DISprove that one’s anxiety is extreme?!

It’s absurd but I don’t imagine the government care much as they are relying on propaganda and peer pressure to do the bulk of the work

The exemptions are there to deflect criticism from people who would otherwise support this but are hot opposing disability discrimination-these days a real taboo. I’m sure it’s all been carefully calculated

Its absolutely not a rolling back. Its simply them exerting more control and bringing ‘rebels’ into line. Requiring people to carry an official exemption card is as bad as requiring face coverings. How do people not see this??

At least the card carriers aren’t literally de-facing themselves!

It’s a tricky one, this, isn’t it? I’ve read several comments on this and other sites, plus a couple of articles that make the point that having an exemption card/badge/lanyard is playing the Government’s game as much as wearing a mask. I have to agree with this but then, it’s a wearing prospect to go into battle every time you need to shop for the foreseeable future. Shopping online is also playing the government’s game.

I don’t have any good answers. Our M.O. at the moment is to walk in, maskless, and then, if challenged, say we’re exempt. We’ve got a card in our pocket just in case but it shouldn’t really be needed, by law. We’ve had no grief from members of the public and we’ve seen a few other people without masks but we haven’t been in many shops yet.

I actually think the Government card is a collector’s item, assuming we survive this hell. One one side it says ‘I’m a leper, keep your distance’ and on the other, ‘be kind’. Woke, whiny and totalitarian all in one go. Superb job, SPI-B!

p.s. My husband thinks an exemption card could be a way of marking out us as untermenschen. Since we’re also old, we’re doomed either way!

“ We’ve got a card in our pocket just in case but it shouldn’t really be needed, by law. “

I think that’s the right approach. Nothing really wrong with having the card in case it’s useful to defuse a situation, but the key is not to display it publicly all the time, or use it automatically as you go in.

The important thing is for people to just see other people not wearing masks, and without having any obvious “authorisation” not to do so.

600,000 people sign petition calling for Bill Gates to be investigated for crimes against humanity
The petition is hosted on the White House’s We the People website, which is a public relations platform that allows citizens to express themselves. The site enables people to create a petition calling on the White House to take some action on a particular issue. According to the White House, any petition that receives 100,000 signatures in 30 days will be seen by the appropriate policy experts and will receive an official response from the White House within 60 days.

The petition’s description says that many questions remain unanswered about the Gates and the global push for vaccines and biometric tracking.

The petition’s author, who is identified only by the initials C.S., points out that Gates has publicly stated in the past that he would like to reduce population growth by 10 to 15 percent through vaccination. Along with the World Health Organization (WHO) and UNICEF, Gates has been accused of purposely sterilizing children in Kenya via an antigen in a tetanus vaccine.

The petition goes on to state that Congress and other governing bodies are “derelict in duty until a thorough and public inquiry is complete.”

[Gates have been connected] to many different vaccines and other medical experiments that have damaged the health of African women and children. For example, their foundation funded the phase 3 trial of an experimental vaccine for malaria in 2010 that left 1,000 African infants with serious side effects like seizures and paralysis; 151 of the infants died.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-07-23-600000-signatures-call-for-bill-gates-investigation-crimes-against-humanity.html

Thanks for this. Signed and sent to my (small) email list.

BTW, have you seen this? (:-))

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-mask-pictu/man-parades-down-oxford-street-wearing-nothing-but-mask-idUSKCN24P288

The best Statement ever!

He should have continued to #10 Downing Street and given PM Boris the Full Monty. Maybe that’s where he was headed?

Behind the masks – 12 Reasons to NOT mandate masks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B15Q1uJ-69w&feature=emb_logo

Forget the masks—coming to your nearest Tesco soon!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12220302/spray-kills-viruses-coronavirus-hypochlorous/

Because what could possibly go wrong with people inhaling hypochlorous acid? Oh look: https://www.atsjournals.org/doi/full/10.1513/pats.201001-009SM

Not to mention entering the eyes. And what if some of that (probably conductive) liquid makes it in to the guts of a phone, criminal damage by the tunnel operator to people’s property too.

Interesting chart on the page, a chart with a line indicating target level cases per day – 1k, the chart clearly shows cases have been below it barring a couple of small spikes since June

… and it seems they got the science part wrong, this is for H7N1 influenza subtype: “In [indirect spray] form, the 200 ppm solution inactivated AIV within 10 min of contact , while 50 and 100 ppm could not inactivate it .” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4363024/

Couldn’t do the shops yesterday so this morning was the first venture out. Hello face, nice to see you, said the man behind the counter. I mimed kisses in an (anti) socially distanced manner. We agreed it was a right load of bo***ocks. He said he was worried that he’d had some people come in who genuinely seemed to believe from midnight on Friday they could catch it again.

OMG, keep remembering what George Carlin said about stupidity.

As my friend in Melbourne said a few weeks ago, the military operating in Victoria on anti-covid track and trace operations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=TwViCa9aT9c&feature=emb_logo

Coming to the UK soon as the next stage of track and trace?

that’s very scary … if T&T can’t contact the person over 2 hour period they will send the army to their house. Seems rather reminiscent of a little man with a moustache and inferiority complex some years ago!!

Maybe if all this stop the virus at all costs nonsense is going to Boris’ head, and he thinks he is succeeding, maybe someone can suggest to him that he could stop the tide coming in…

To be fair to the grand old king, he was making a point about the stupidity of his advisors

Our tragedy is that we have not just foolish advisers but a foolish leader as well…

It goes beyond that. The end game is the vaccine, and someone/persons have enrolled us, the UK population, as the Phase III trial for the world. Call me old fashioned, or a conspiracy theorist, but when the SoS for Business is out promoting the vaccine, and the vaccine czar is a biotech financier, what else should we conclude? Follow the money!

TT. Saw the Boris walk you refered to yesterday. He is not well. As you said. Something is badly amiss. Reminiscent of killary’s neurological problems on stage in 2016.

Anyone not liking the expression killary might like to view https://youtu.be/6DXDU48RHLU to understand why I used tge name.

Ask Huma!

Don’t mind at all.

i reckon end-game is vaccine and digital id which will track everything and limit where you can go/do. It’s happening now in china. I posted a video above from youtube – i find it very disturbing agenda even if not all achieved.

Strewth! I knew we were too close to China but really! Is there any political party not too close to the prc? I suppose their people are monitoring these sites, unfortunately – I await a knock – or worse

You mean he’s a Cnut?

Copy from earlier this morning as new comment page started – we need to encourage each other!

Nervous – Needed to pick up a Hoover from Argos this morning. Deep breathing exercises before I left. Walked around a little because I was early, surprised everyone wearing a mask going into local Tesco – local butchers looked hopeful! Anyway down to Sainsburys – 8am and not busy – walked straight in and asked two members of staff(wearing masks) what time Argos(inside store) opened “8am” “Thank You” – Walked down to Argos Section – all good so far, lady came to serve me – not wearing a mask Hurray! Nice chat about hoovers etc – Smiled at each other walked out with my Shark Hoover. Mission accomplished! Co op later for my parents.

Daily Mail story about the incident on the Merseyside train includes this:

“He [some kind of official] said: ‘These experiences cause distress and anxiety, and lead many disabled people to feel they have to stay at home, where they become isolated.”

Hey, you don’t say! Isolation is BAD.
Hey, what about that Lockdown!
For everyone!

Now they are lying their pants off about the efficacy of mask wearing.
Is that to try to cure Lockdown Syndrome while avoiding the obviously needed CLIMBDOWN? Climbdown Avoidance explains Johnson’s twisting and turning as detailed by Toby, above.

Ryan Christian, at LastAmericanVagabond.com, has a guided tour through the current suppression of scientific papers on mask INefficacy in a recent Daily Roundup.

Unfortunately, Christian is a terrible online talent. He wanders, he is voluble to no purpose, he wanders off into very long digressions and detours while the screen jumps up and down of the document he is showing, which one cnnot read because his voice doesn’t ever cease its machine-gun action, is a terrible speaker and doesn’t use a script, which he definitly needs. If only he would channel Freddie Sayers or James Corbett! Or, Whitney Webb.

And Christian does have Whitney Webb, who has signed on to Last American Vagabond (Christian must have some cash to pay her). And he has compiled a great deal of evidence of the science-censorship crime under way in the USA and elsewhere.

I hope this whole mask farce is an attempt to back down from the crimes and errors of lockdown, but I fear it could just as easily be laying foundations for more (and more fanatically tyrannical) lockdowns to follow.

Went just over the border to Monmouth for my shopping, very few masks! I will carry on unless they make them mandatory there too. The bonus was Green & Jenks ice cream

seriously, how long do you reckon for Wales? two weeks? less? my preferred holiday stopovers in Wales are still closed from what I’ve heard. I fear for that country

Sky News Australia:

People are entitled to think there is an ‘agenda to destroy western society’: Alan Jones

great video – he tells it as it is.

Superb

Excellent!

Thanks Mark, he is absolutely right. Could do with many more people like him.

I saw in ZeroHedge that the next big thing will be the full declassifying of UFO data. Some has already been admitted, recently. But more to come.

So the “Aliens” narrative will probably be with us October just before the US election.

I saw this also, weird timing.

nothing to do with the CIA obviously…

Ronald Reagan in the speech at the end of his presidency (if I remember correctly) said, to paraphrase, an alien invasion was what was required to unite the human race.

No surprise it’s being raised now what with the US space force and the RAF now doing space defence – I was looking at their websites a few days ago.

If there was an alien “invasion”* the human race as it stands has no chance. While we faff about making speeches and uniting for a brave mission the aliens would have just set a few hundred lumps of tungsten at >95% c (light speed) on course to hit Earth. We’d barely even have time to see it coming. If we ever get attacked by real aliens their technology to have crossed the interstellar voids will be so superior to ours that we’ll be like ants before a bulldozer, the intelligence and independent mindedness those aliens will need to have to develop such tech will be so stunning as to show up all humanity as moronic conformists. The only reason there would be an “alien attack” of a strength we could unitedly oppose is if some human was running a setup for poliical gains.

*invasion implies they’d want out planet, they wouldn’t, they’d just want to make us extinct before we could be a threat able to compete with them

Masks. Faceless friends and family. Dehumanising. Politicians are sinister and evil. Why we fight. Has any man said as eloquently what many of us know and feel as John Waters from Ireland.

John Waters. https://youtu.be/rcQSnUCzjfc

3 minutes of extraordinary powerful comment

You and I are but a festering mass of bacteria to them.

Thank you John Waters for standing so tall. Inspirational.

Brilliant. Thanks.

Great!

Politicians are sinister and evil.

They are destroying individuality

Many of you will be aware of Eye Spy MP, where people post pictures of MPs to Twitter, for example, when spotted travelling first class on public transport. Suggest we all do the same for MPs or anyone else famous spotted anywhere sans mask (as per the clip of Dr Fauci the other day)

I shared this yesterday or day before about the golfer Andrew Johnston

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/golf/article-8554411/amp/Life-bubble-not-says-Andrew-Beef-Johnston-withdraws-British-Masters.html

He has had previously admitted to having anxiety issues, seems lockdown has clearly exacerbated them.

Brave of him to speak out, the fall out from this ludacris lockdown is immeasurable.

Good luck to him

Interesting that the golf authorities have engaged mental health consultants and this seems to be seen as normal

Logically therefore we all ought to have mental health consultants available to us….

Petition the government. We want shrinks!

Just looking at the web page for the anti-mask petition :

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430

Particularly, the map, on the next page is a sad commentary on the idle compliance of the Great British Public.

Ah, Hitler, thou shouldst be living at this hour – England would be a walk-over!

Rugby and Hastings apparently Resistance hotbeds.

16731 signatures atm.

My wife was number 16731!

Up to 16831 now – 100 in 30 minutes. Needs to step up to get to the 100,000 mark in a reasonable time!

Only 24 minutes for the next 100 (you know you’re getting desperate when you have to look to the second order differential for encouragement…)

just out of interest, was there a petition calling for this rule (compulsory masks) and how far did it get?

Better send for Hancock to do a few tests and lock them down.

He has a team driving there right now!

The petition hasn’t had much publicity – none that I’m aware of on Radio 4. But, that said, the numbers signing are disappointingly low – especially in Scotland. Note how no one has sign it in the Hebrides or in Orkney – is that because they don’t bother to wear them there?

The petition is about mandatory face coverings in English shops. Why would the Scots care?

Yes, I realised that subsequently. Though people in Scotland have signed it.

Contact community radio stations and independent media outlets. Podcasts. Anything you can think of.

Funnily enough there’s a 16K signature petition on the .gov website for a ban on face coverings in public places. Old enough to, I suspect, be referrring more to religious headgear. Still, we’re not against masks, just against mandatory rules, we support freedom of choice so I couldn’t really advocate for using that petition as a sly way to get the coronanist bed wetters banned from muzzling themselves.

Right, now I’m really angry. Not only has the poet Brian Bilston utterly disappointed me by joining the mask zealots, and mocking dissent, but this has just tipped me over the edge.

Oxford Rape Crisis has written a handy post for rape survivors on how to cope with having a fucking rag pressed over their faces (note ‘cope’) https://www.osarcc.org.uk/coping-with-a-face-covering-as-a-survivor-of-sexual-violence/

Violence against women and children has gone off the charts under lockdown (it was fairly epidemic before all this) and services are really under pressure (not least from transactivists who think women subject to violence are not entitled to a female only spaces from from dudes who think they’re ladies, but I digress).

Also imagine if you are suffering from PTSD, which means you are in a state of ‘hyper arousal’ to any threat, if you are surrounded by mask wearers, you cannot read facial expressions which is how we largely unconsciously read ‘intent’ and whether someone is going to hurt us.

I could cry.

I don’t know the first thing about Brian Bilston or what he writes, but by your disappointment I gues you used to like him before he fell into coronazealotry. I’ve had similar things happen with authors I’ve approved of, they were so big on civil rights before and now their (personally run, not by some corporate middle man desperate not to offend) blogs are hiding any comment which suggests that Britain would have been better off following Sweden.

Right, now I’m really angry. Not only has the poet Brian Bilston utterly disappointed me by joining the mask zealots, and mocking dissent, …

Had never heard of the dude, so looked him up. Did nothing say (or shout) psy-op to you, Bec ?

could I possibly mock mask zealots? “don’t panic captain mainwaring, don’t paniiiiiiic! There’s a bug on the loose! Fix bayonets! They don’t like it up them, they do not like it up them!!!

Oh boy this video is pretty scary about digital identity coming along next year with your medical records etc …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1EVs2GMsRg

I think i’ll emigrate to a small island and live off-grid – seems the only way forward!

at this point I would like to do the same

My two sons have taken it upon themselves to learn Swedish during the lockdown – that will be their third European language!

Sadly, from what you’ve said about their political leanings, I doubt they will find Sweden generally much to their liking other than on the coronapanic issue.

It’s a huge irony and a source of particular sadness to me that the only real resistance to this broadly leftist-inspired (Guardian/BBC/US Democrat etc) panic was from a famously left-leaning country.

Though there is resistance to the leftist consensus in Sweden and one can hope that a more patriotic and conservative time will come there.

Shows that our left aren’t the proper left any more. Our left have become nothing but small minded authoritarian turds. Leftism used to be about liberalism, live your life your way and let others do as they will. I fell disgusted every time a lockdown zealot claims to be “liberal”. Sweden’s biggest problem, to my undrstanding, is that good honest cash is close to extinction there and most payments have moved to sinister middleman-middleman transaction methods.

Johnson is convinced about one thing only: he ought to be Prime Minister. “There will be plenty of opportunities to learn the lessons of what happened.” Except for those who are dead, of course, and those who will suffer premature deaths due to denial of treatment.

“What happened” sounds a bit like Nixon’s “Mistakes were made.” As if Boris was just a hapless bystander while all these things just “happened” around him, and not that he as PM made the politically driven decision to save the NHS at any cost, the mistake from which all the other mistakes flowed: care home deaths, the deaths of the undiagnosed and untreated, the crashing of the economy.

Then this gem: “What people want to focus on now…” Exactly what we might have heard from Blair or Cameron. There was a time when I really thought Boris would be different, a breath of fresh air. But no, the same calculating, callous, let’s move on BS we’ve had from every other government, which shows this is just another government.

“What people want to focus on..” or “here is what I want to talk about”.

Johnson is a void. Where there should be ideas, leadership and courage, he only has frivolous lines and focus grouped slogans.
In another life he could be a Labour Prime Minister. He would follow any cause if it meant he could be popular.
I am afraid that any inquiry will be a stitch-up, designed to come to an answer within the bounds of acceptability. No lessons will be learned, except those the government decides it wants to learn.

If the enquiry is a stitchup (inevitable), the obvious thing for the government to learn will be that they can get away with murder – literally.

Charlatan Boris.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.23.20160762v1Just published not peer-reviewed
“Our inferences result in herd immunity thresholds around 10-20%, considerably lower than the minimum coverage needed to interrupt transmission by random vaccination, which for R_0 higher than 2.5 is estimated above 60%. We emphasize that the classical formula, 1-1⁄R_0 , remains applicable to describe herd immunity thresholds for random vaccination, but not for immunity induced by infection which is naturally selective. These findings have profound consequences for the governance of the current pandemic given that some populations may be close to achieving herd immunity despite being under more or less strict social distancing measures. ”

Page not found?

Take the ‘Just’ off the URL

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.23.20160762v1

“ We emphasize that the classical formula, 1-1⁄R_0 , remains applicable to describe herd immunity thresholds for random vaccination, but not for immunity induced by infection which is naturally selective. “

A very important point that people should take on board…

By the time one reaches the conclusion they aren’t anti-lockdown, they regrettably think that lockdowns may have prevented overwhelming hospitals (their original purpose, for which Sweden seems to show they can’t be necessary), but they do come out and say, in other words, that we shouldn’t be locked down any longer and should by this point stop with this stupid fear.

One of my cousin’s who lives just outside Cape Town caught the virus because of enforced mask wearing. Was in ICU for 2 weeks and hospitalised for a further week. His wife fortunately did not contract the virus.

And this from a South African friend yesterday; “Yesterday they closed the schools again and yet they allowed a huge funeral for Zindzi Mandela where there was no social distancing and they also just announced another state funeral next week for Andrew Mlangeni, last of the Rivonia triallists. No doubt there will be no restrictions on that one either”.

Apparently a guest house in the Cape receives R18.3 million per month since March as an isolation centre. Never had a person in it.

Don’t want to be difficult here – and I will go to prison before I wear a mask – but how does he (or anyone) know they got the virus because of enforced mask wearing?

Sorry if this has already been flagged.
https://www.keepbritainfree.com/so/42NDxxFQt?cid=6dfb649c-5985-43e9-b0ed-b7d9027ea7a9#/main

Retail Report.

B&M wife went for some paint. No mask no hassle either from shop staff or other shoppers, store was busy with possibly 80% of people wearing masks. No store staff wearing masks.

Couple overheard at the till, woman, “oh this is so uncomfortable” man “you only need to keep it on until you are outside”

Wife was not close enough to advise about medical exemptions, and could not see them outside the store when she had paid.

Saturday food shopping without a mask: I had an exemption card, the blue & yellow one from the government website. I don’t disagree that this in effect means I’m accepting the policy as legitimate, but my immediate aim was to do my essential shopping without a mask and without hassle. Indoor market hall run by the city council, asked on entry “Would you like to wear a mask?”, “No, I have an exemption on medical grounds”, indicating lanyard though card was hidden behind jacket, carried on unhindered. On to indoor shopping centre, I used a less frequented entry and got in without being spoken to. With card visible, I bought fruit & veg from my favourite independent, then on to Sainsbury’s where I was waved in without hesitation. About half of staff masked, maybe to avoid hassle with masked customers saying “Why do I have to wear a mask but you don’t?” Anyway Sainsbury’s seem to be applying their already stated policy of not questioning non-wearers. So my personal aim was achieved.
Now the bad news, but I have to tell it as I saw. Almost 100% mask compliance by customers in the shopping centre. Shop staff don’t have to, but about 50% were, maybe to encourage customers or to avoid hassle. Moderately busy, apparently supporting the government’s notion that compulsory mask wearing will encourage hitherto timid people to come out. But it could also be down to curiosity to see how it works out, along with young women keen to show off the latest flowery fashion item. No police to be seen, not even the community sort. Out in the streets some people keep their masks on but more don’t. I was absolutely disgusted to see a masked (albeit loosely) toddler in a pushchair. With young kids there may be an element of wanting to be like mummy & daddy, but even the official line is that masks are definitely not recommended for children. This may be a good line to push: if they’re bad for children how can they be good for adults?
It looks like being a long hard struggle to get rid of this oppression. Don’t give up!

It’s a sight to remember isn’t it. Really bad or really motivating depending on how you think. But it is a sight I won’t forget, everyone but you in a mask. No need for hitchcock thrillers anymore, I’ve lived the real thing.

In a strange way I found it motivating. The exemption card is a bit like waving a cross to ward off a vampire, I don’t have to believe in it if they do. I’m not ready to try it without the card yet – maybe I will when I’m away from my usual area and don’t really care if I’m not allowed into the shops.

Try just saying you’re exempt without brandishing the card. Legally, they’re not allowed to challenge you anyway.

That’s true, I just think the card is a useful hassle reducer. Another thought I may as well put in here, so much advertising features happy smiling people. I’m generally cynical about advertising but it does show that a smiling face is a basic ingredient of making people feel good, and suppressing it is anti-human. Advertising featuring mask wearers repels me.

Invasion of the Bodysnatchers.

Well i’m just going to stay home – I can’t bear to go out into the zombie apocalypse.
Thankfully i’ve never been much of a shopper, but have in recent weeks tried to go out and spend in local shops – I won’t bother now and do a flying weekly visit to supermarket.

Only the Swedish thought about and still love their children.

Mmmm. The Belorussian dictator said masking kids was child abuse.

It’s ok for dictators to be right on some things.

Ours get things wrong every time.

Had a wander through Chester, Foregate and Eastgate Streets. Not entirely reassuring and not entirely depressing either.

I’d say compliance with the Diktat is roughly 100%, but I think a lot of that compliance is reluctant. Just something in the body language. I don’t know if the nudgers can get away with many, if any, further nudges.

Got a few looks on the street as I had no mask at all. Most on the street were putting on their mask as they walked into a shop, and took it off again when they left. Everybody I saw with a mask was fiddling with it.

Streets were emptier than on previous visits, so I’m guessing that other than essential shopping, most people just aren’t bothering.

Two PCSOs walking along outdoors, both wearing masks. As authority figures I just scowled at them, they avoided eye contact and wandered on.

Stopped from entering the Precinct by “security” due to no mask.

“Noticed that it’s quieter out?” I asked.

“Yeah,” replies one of them.

“Not wondering why?” I ask, before walking away.

For the moment, we’re still free to shop barefaced in Wales, but I do wonder for how much longer. After all, the Turtle’s Head caved in over masks on public transport, so another week or two and we’ll be in line with the rUK.

The Welsh Chief Scientific Officer Frank Atherton did say they wouldn’t introduce mandatory masks unless infections started increasing and that the first place they would probably come in would be tourist hotpots. But of course just because he said that a couple of weeks ago doesn’t mean it will be true next week or the week after. And what does ‘increase’ mean. There’s a small outbreak in a food plant at Ebbw Vale, and in my county most days we have zero new cases, so a day with one case would count as an increase.

Interestingly I was at the first services on the M4 as you come into Wales this morning. Lots more masks in evidence than previous visits – made me wonder if they were all English folk coming for their holidays and not realising they don’t have to wear masks here. I did catch a few mask wearers glancing at my naked face but there were plenty of us not wearing them. One guy joined the queue I was in (McDonalds – I admit a weakness for a sausage and egg McMuffin) about to put a mask on, saw that most people weren’t wearing them and put it back in his pocket. Result.

Just come back from shopping at Aldis in Llangollen. Much busier – most of shoppers there seem to be English tourists. Quick survey at tills – out of 23 people, 9 and a half were mask wearers (the half was a young lad with the mask hanging off one of his ears). Big increase from last week, where it was only about 10% masked.

As I entered, I passed 3 women worried about when to put their masks on (“Do we put them on now or do we do it when we step inside?”) I told them they didn’t have to wear masks in shops in Wales, “Welcome to the Land of the Free”. They actually cheered as they stuffed the disgusting things back into their pockets!

I tried the same thing with an old woman standing near the entrance. “You know you don’t need to wear a mask in here?” She gave me an evil stare and rasped at me “I can wear a mask if I want to!” Nasty piece of work. I left her to it.

Funny thing was, her husband was maskless. I tried to see the logic of it. If she was wearing hers out of virtue, in order to stop herself spreading the virus to others, why was she not worried that her husband was displaying such selfish behaviour? If she believed that the mask protected her from certain death, why did she not insist that her husband shield himself with a similar such magickal charm?

Anyway, I do think a lot of the mask wearing was due to outsiders not realising that they are free to breathe the pure Welsh air unimpeded by face-rags, and unaware that the evil Covids bounce off the border twixt England and Wales, thanks to the nightly rituals performed in the light of the moon around the Cardiff’s Gorsedd stone circle in Bute Park by Drakeford, Gething and his fellow druids.

I told them they didn’t have to wear masks in shops in Wales, “Welcome to the Land of the Free”. They actually cheered as they stuffed the disgusting things back into their pockets!

The cheering of course was highly illegal !

I tried the same thing with an old woman standing near the entrance. “You know you don’t need to wear a mask in here?” She gave me an evil stare and rasped at me “I can wear a mask if I want to!”

“Probably best with that face”.

Magical thinking seems to be the order of the day with masks. It goes something along the lines of ‘if I wear this germ ridden, hideous looking (or landfill filling/polluting/expensive disposable) mask then I won’t die’.

I saw quite a few nappies here in Pembs yesterday. Today, nary a one.

Haha! Have you noticed he’s got a head like a turtle too! Google an image of him speaking, and google an image of a tortoise with its mouth open. Compare the two. Hours of hilarity.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/duration-isolation.htmlInside this document“ Although replication-competent virus was not isolated 3 weeks after symptom onset, recovered patients can continue to have SARS-CoV-2 RNA detected in their upper respiratory specimens for up to 12 weeks (Kore a CDC, 2020; Li et al., 2020; Xiao et al, 2020). Investigation of 285 “persistently positive” persons, which included 126 persons who had developed recurrent symptoms, found no secondary infections among 790 contacts attributable to contact with these case patients. Efforts to isolate replication-competent virus from 108 of these case patients were unsuccessful (Korea CDC, 2020). ”
So you could be PCR pos for up to 12 weeks although no active virus. Although you could have recurrent respiratory symptoms(another virus?) they did not transmit Covid-19 and no Sars-Cov 2 virus could be isolated.So PCR pos cases now could be 3 mth old and even if they have respiratory symptoms you can’t be sure it’s caused by Sars-Cov 2.Imagine the problems with interpretation of masstesting.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/duration-isolation.html

The asymptomatic aspect really worries me now.
There’s an outbreak in Mathon, Herefordshire, amongst the Romanian fruit pickers that I have been keeping an eye on. Initially, when a very small number started to show symptoms, they started testing them, as they live cheek by jowl in caravans on the farm site.
At first, it was reported that about 50 of them were positive, with the vast majority being asymptomatic. To me, that was wonderful evidence that the virus is really nothing to worry about. But when I mentioned it to a friend, their response was along the lines that this was a very good reason not to lift the lockdown in case vulnerable people were infected.
It’s now being (quietly) reported that over 130 of them are testing positive. With the introduction of masks, I predict that this type of info will be used to increase the compulsory use of masks to even more areas of life and for way longer than the 1 year of the guidelines.
And people will happily go along with it.

I read something that the Greek authorities are testing Brits coming in to the country, and they’ve not had one positive case. The Greeks think our tests are duff. There was something on CEBM (and I think Carl Heneghan’s interview on UnHerd with Freddie Sayers) that false positive could be responsible for the entirety of our new cases.

Well don’t the tests depend on putting the swab through an arbitrary number of cycles? Too few cycles and nothing shows but too many and we’d all test positive. Does anyone know how the cut-off point of around 37 cycles was decided upon?

It’s not the swab, it’s the number of amplifications of the protein fragments by the PCR (which is a qualitative, not quantitative test) in order to get ‘something’ that be picked up. Even its inventor Katry Mullis said it was no good as a diagnostic tool.

Yes, it was intended as a manufacturing process, I think-but who decided on the number of amplifications?

CH, LUX, Austria, Germany etc.: the recent spike in the number of positive test results equal pretty much exactly the 1.4% false positive rate of the flawed PCR tests done.

Thanks, I’m not very good at maths or science, so I’m glad to hear it wasn’t just me being thick, and I understood correctly.

‘… vulnerable people…’

Vulnerable people are those with serious conditions normally found in the elderly. Such people are in care, on geriatric wards, bedridden in their own homes.

They are not out picking fruit! They are not among the general population.

How effective the Government propaganda has been that no matter the mountain of evidence to tte contrary, it does dispel from people’s minds, that the virus’s victims are not among the general population, but a distinct cohort, localised, immobile mostly, close to death.

Plus around 50% of positive tests are false.

yup i think you’re right to be worried – i think this face fiasco will go on probably for over a year. It will be the excuse to protect vulnerable and outbreaks in confined places – and if these don’t happen or the “second wave” it will be because the masks were so wonderful so carry on wearing them. Most people are too stupid to see the underlying narrative.

Over 1500 workers in a meat processing plant were infected (as per the flawed test) in Germany.
Nine died, few got sick, 5 needed ICU.
We now know that this happened at work and that they all had to wear masks at work…

He doesn’t mention biggest fundamental error, ignoring the first principle of infection control, never mix infectious people with non-infectious people. Yet the NHS (clap) did just that. Covid patients were admitted into hospitals, not quarantined, so infection could spread via staff, equipments, other patients, surfaces, airborne. Then from those Petri dishes patients were decanted into care homes whose populations were most susceptible to the disease.

Meanwhile the general population for most of which the virus was harmless were put under a quasi-quarantine regime which breaks second rule of infection control, quarantine must be 100%, and third rule don’t quarantine non-infectious people – it serves no purpose.

But… lessons will be learned. Not the lessons learned from over 200 years dealing with infections.

Even back then, COVID-19 was to “virulent” that “Special environmental controls, such as negative pressure isolation rooms [ed: something that you have to use when you have dangerous airborne pathogens], are not necessary to prevent the transmission of COVID-19.” Page 3, NHS COVID-19 SOP, 1st Apr 2020 (nope, not April’s fool) — https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2020/03/C0131-Design-note_COVID-19-ward-for-intubated-patients_1-April-MR2.pdf

Not sure if this has been shared before.

Singapore had a horrid problem with PPE in their hospitals like everyone else when Covid hit and their health care workers were getting Covid just like everywhere else. Rather than screaming at people they took what they learned from SARS and instituted militant hand-washing before and after every contact with a person or thing.

https://market-ticker.org/cgi-mt/akcs-www?post=239747

Never mix infectious people with non-infectious people

Exactly the point made by Tom Jefferson in this recent “UnHerd” video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3plSbCbkSA&feature=emb_logo
It’s at 25:20 if you don’t want to watch all of it – although you REALLY should!

Another Churchillian moment for Boris:
We shall fight them in the sweet shoppes, on the shelves of our grocers, both big and small, tea shops, in the homes of consenting adults watching a bit of telly, in our children’s lunch boxes … Take that, Winston!

‘ Boris Johnson’s absurd nanny state crusade ‘ – Christoher Snowdon in the Spectator warns of a raft of new anti-obesity measures the Government is intending to introduce on Monday, including a ban on advertising sugary, salty and fatty food on television before 9pm.

That should get the economy up and running at full tilt in no time at all. Money that could be spent fixing the economy will be siphoned off to subsidize more Nanny State advertising, public relations and marketing campaigns. Boris had a childhood dream to one day become British Prime Minister and the result so far is ineffectual Super Nanny Boris.

doesn’t their lunch voucher scheme offering cheaper lunch in restaurants come out in august which starts next week? utter shambles … go out and stuff your face cheaper but wait you’re all too fat and need to listen to nanny on what to eat – you couldn’t make it up!!

Thought I’d post about the positive and negative things about holidaying abroad at the moment as Spain is desperate to get its tourist industry back.

Positives:

Airport very quiet-plenty of seats available
Plane not completely rammed as it would normally be at this time of year. Five or six spare seats in our immediate vicinity.
Resort very quiet, plenty of empty sun beds around pool and on beach.
Traffic and parking no problem. Normally you would be driving round looking for a sixpence on which to park.
Restaurants desperate for your custom so service is better than usual.

Negatives:

Told that only one person is allowed to queue for the toilet on the plane-that rule soon went by the board.
Zombie Town. The few people that are here are well masked up but thankfully, we haven’t had any hassle so far. No one smiles at us though from behind those muzzles so it feels a bit threatening at times.
Trying to persuade friends who have travelled all over the world that the whole thing has been a massive overreaction and that we are all being manipulated psychologically. They are still too scared to get back on a plane and think that we are brave (or privately think that we are mad)for doing so. This is in spite of the fact that they and their family have lost virtually all their income because they rely on tourists coming here. I can’t see things getting any better for them.

Just as in the UK, if businesses want our custom and our money, things will have to change-and fast.

Think I’m posting this in the wrong place but don’t know how to move it!

I’m in the south of Spain. Total nightmare. Masks compulsory not just indoors but also on the street – except when doing sport. (Some) police acting like Gestapo officers.

I have personally witnessed the following:

• a person walking briskly along seafront who was told by the police in a very authoritarian manner to either start running or put on a mask.
• a policeman asking a person who had his mask covering his mouth but not his nose to pull it up to cover his nose.
• police patrolling the seafront calling out every single person they see not wearing a mask properly. (Many walk with a mask under their chin, because it’s just too hot and unbearable.)
• beach patrollers (not police) telling people walking ON THE BEACH to put on a mask. (The rule is you have to wear a mask even on the beach, except when you are sitting on your towel or in the water.)

It is a dystopian hell. Don’t come to Spain.

This makes me so sad. My husband and I were in Spain for a month and cut our time short in mid-March to get home just before they locked down the whole country. Spain is our go-to place and now I’m not sure I can ever go back. I won’t soon forget the extent to which each country flexed its’ authoritarian muscles as a result of Covid and would prefer to spend my travel dollars in more democratic countries. Too bad Iceland and Sweden aren’t my top choices to escape the Canadian winter! But since I won’t wear a mask on a plane I won’t be traveling anywhere for the foreseeable future anyway.

In the first month of confinement, the Spanish police handed out half a million fines.

Everyone has either been fined or knows someone who has been fined. Very few know anyone who has died from the virus.

Lisa, I can recommend Iceland in winter. It doesn’t get terribly cold, and even in December there are a good few hours of daylight. The scenery is stunning.

The fascist, denunciatiin and obedience genes never disappeared from people joining the police and from most of the people in Spain, Italy, Austria & Germany.
Neither the respective commie ones in Eastern European states.
The really new, sad, and strange developments in this respect are happening currently in the UK, France and the USA.

Why the hell do they put up with it?

Historical… due to the old Napoleonic Laws – which are based on specifying what you can do. Hence European countries tend to be far more obedient and the police more authoritarian
In this country .. until recently, the legal position was that we can do what we want unless there is a specifically law to prevent it. i.e. we are told what we cannot do

They like it. It makes them feel safe.

Which airport did you fly from please Margaret ?

My second post of the day, then I have other things to do. Looking solely at the effects of a mask on the wearer’s health, without the broader psychological implications, I’ve been thinking (it happens occasionally). Discomfort is an indication to the body that something needs to change, but is not necessarily bad – strenuous exercise makes your muscles ache but they react by becoming stronger (no pain, no gain). Discomfort from wearing a mask may make you breathe faster or your heart pump blood harder to compensate for the reduction of oxygen intake, and may be a problem for those who already have high blood pressure. But I think these are probably small effects. Likewise I don’t think that re-breathing in a small proportion of carbon dioxide is much of a problem. But nobody’s breath is completely odourless; halitosis is merely the far end of a spectrum. So there must be organic compounds in exhaled air, whether arising from teeth, gums, tongue, throat, or within the digestive system. Accumulation of these compounds in a mask and/or re-breathing them in is probably more of a health hazard than the oxygen & carbon dioxide issues. Would any medically knowledgeable people like to comment on this?

You need to watch the YouTube video of the Spanish scientist which someone posted on here the other day. She tested various masks into which someone had sung. The results on the Petri dishes were disgusting.

First use a handkerchief to blow your nose, then spit onto it. Now wrap it around your face. Mmmmm bet that feels good doesn’t it?

Why breathe through a festering mass of bacteria?

Just a thought.

I think that Margaret’s point!

I know it was. I was summarising into a simple memorable point. Well done Margaret.

Sometimes you need to do studies just to confirm things one take mostly for grantedIn this study for Stockholm they looked at Covid-19 deaths in 274000 persons over 70 year of age.
https://su.figshare.com/articles/preprint/Residential_Context_and_COVID-19_Mortality_among_the_Elderly_in_Stockholm_A_population-based_observational_study/12612947/1

Stockholm with 30% of all Covid-19 cases in Sweden and 41 % of all Covid-19 deaths.Similarities with immunity at 20% level as New York and London.The biggest population density in Sweden.1.5 million people.“Compared to living in only-old households, living with someone of working age is associated with elevated COVID-19 mortality (HR = 1.6; 95% CI = 1.3-2.0). Living in a care home is associated with a 4-fold (HR = 4.1; 95% CI = 3.5-4.9) risk of COVID-19 mortality compared to living in independent housing. Living in neighbourhoods with the highest population density was associated with higher COVID-19 mortality (HR = 1.6; 95% CI = 1.1-2.4) compared to living in the least densely populated neighbourhoods.”

Not very surprising but definite result. Living in care home 4 times risk, living with someone in working age 1.6 times risk, living in densely populated area 1.6 times risk.
Rather pessimistic for the future possible second wave as reducing risk by moving from care home does not seem plausible, considering the reasons that they are there in the first place. You might consider temporary moving out the working age person in the household but moving single household in a densely populated area to somewhere else temporary must be very difficult.

“ Living in care home 4 times risk”

But causality shouldn’t be confused with this number :

(a) There is no way now of accurately diagnosing the *main* cause of death
(b) Care Homes contain some of the most vulnerable people in society – many of whom will die in a relatively short time span.
(c) The low mortality of 2018/19 created a *much* larger vulnerable population in 2019/20, who were susceptible to *any* infection a year later.

Got my supermarket delivery yesterday. It all arrived in plastic bags!! Plastic Bags for chrissakes. They used to be very very bad and we couldn’t have them, but now they are OK because they will prevent the transmission of a virtually non existent virus between delivery driver and me. At the expense of our oceans. FFS!

It’s alright, the plastic bags can’t get into the oceans to pollute them any more – the outlets are choked up with discarded masks…..

See my comment above about the potential weight of mask waste alone!

DavidC

A friend of mine has just calculated, that smart meters use up electricity worth around €1billion p.a. once installed in every household, the equivalent of a third of a nuclear power station’s annual output.
Like the masks: sick.

Easily worth it for the enhanced surveillance and control capabilities. Oops, sorry, wrong forum …

Another good article on AIER on the politics of lockdown (from a US perspective):
https://www.aier.org/article/governments-credibility-crisis/

I get the feeling that when/if we see organised, large scale dissent against the current dystopian farce, it will start in the US. It feels like the UK is lost at the minute. All the mainstream media seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet – the left have been enthusiastically pushing fear, alarmism and conformism from the start (and have now applied their zealotry to mask-wearing), whilst the right now seem wary of doing too much to undermine the Conservative government responsible for the mess.

Not many on the right believe that we have a Conservative government, of course!

We don’t. They are cast from the Liberal metropolitan elite – look at their parents, wives/partners. Many are not very pleasant people with many skeletons in their cupboards. Most have never worked in the real world outside of the media bubble.

Let’s see what happens when furlough ends. A neighbour enjoyed his three month paid holiday but came back to find no work. He’s been re-furloughed and will be probably laid off next month. I expect millions will have similar experiences.

I have some hope in our football supporters.

Would be nice. The Premier League consortium is pretty sewn up though – ‘White Lives Matter’ gets you a lifetime ban. Players are still kneeling. Serious amounts of money.

Do stop all this shite about ‘it wasn’t me, guv’ as an attempt to redefine the ‘right’.

I’m of what is commonly and broadly termed ‘the left’, but I don’t go around defending any of the compliant belly-crawling from others who also claim to be so. I’m willing to nail the current crimes on anyone who is complicit. Actually – I’m a Blairite of the ‘Eric’ variety.

The hard fact is that the right-of-centre have been in power since 1980 (I include the Blair/Brown period), and this present scam is to be owned by the right. It flows in a continuous thread from Thatcher’s obeisance to uncontrolled financial markets and global capitalism, through the financial crash (another ‘weren’t me, guv’ moment) to this present domination of society by the unconstrained deadly trio of Big Pharma, Big Data and Big Finance. All are products of unregulated capital – not some dastardly ‘Marxist’ plot.

So – the Tories got taken over by the psychopaths and total spivs. Just tell it as it is, but don’t pretend that the responsibility lies elsewhere than in that dysfunctional collective.

Do stop all this shite about ‘it wasn’t me, guv’ as an attempt to redefine the ‘right’.

I hope this wasn’t a direct reply to my post! If so you’ve misunderstood me. I wrote it from a perspective of not really sympathising with either side of the political/media divide.

I’m of what is commonly and broadly termed ‘the left’, but I don’t go around defending any of the compliant belly-crawling from others who also claim to be so.

The above would also more or less describe my political views. I didn’t have any sympathy for the current government and PM even before the coronamadness and lockdown, and have never voted Conservative.
I’m just sick – and have been since the beginning of the lockdown – with the general attitude of most of the left-leaning media, so much so that I’ve stopped reading them even to check out the headlines. I certainly wasn’t attempting to defend them!

Sort of agree, except you omit the corporate adoption and promotion of socialism.

Still at it, I see. So we’ve had the “centre right” in power for 40 years, and we now have a government run by the “far right”, according to you, but we still have collectivised state healthcare, we still have our children compulsorily indoctrinated in political correctness and massively funded bodies policing said political correctness along with laws to enforce it, we still have no halt to mass immigration, we still have a state-subsidised national broadcaster that overwhelmingly employs Labour and LibDem supporters and pushes their leftist ideas, we still have government support for divorce and for pushing homosexual behaviour.

I suppose your excuse is that these “right-wingers” are just too incompetent to actually do anything actually right-wing.

I suspect you’ll find we don’t have collectivised state health care for much longer.
It looks to me just like the way Thatcher & Co ran down British Rail so they could sell it off cheap to their buddies.

Oh dear the railways were privately owned before the government stole them in the first place. Oh and we can dream that we get rid of the NHS. The less the government does the better. It’s so disheartening to find virtually no one seems understand what is going on.

The railways were bust and would have closed if not nationalised.

I’ve seen 11 elections since the socialist attempt to strangle the country in the mid-1970s. At every single one of them, to my certain knowledge, it was claimed the Tories planned to run down and sell off the NHS if they were elected. (I was too young to notice or recall now if that was true of Heath as well, but I suspect it was). They actually won 7 of those elections.

Yet here we are, with the state not only still accounting for an ever larger amount of spending in real terms, but with a PM who makes a cult of NHS-worship and a point of protecting the NHS even to the extent of plunging the nation into a catastrophic lockdown to avoid any possible risk of being accused of risking harm to it.

In fact since the aforementioned socialist disaster of the mid-1970s, there has never been a year in which state health spending declined significantly in real terms, and only two (one under the coalition and one under Thatcher) in which it was even static.

And yet it’s not even particularly radical to suggest that there are better ways to organise healthcare than state central control, which has proved so disastrously incompetent in this crisis that it has quite possibly caused as many or more deaths by its response to the new coronavirus than would have been inflicted by that disease with no centrally organised healthcare response.

The long march thru the institutions by the left have a MASSIVE part to play in this

I agree. Started with Thatcher’s ruthless lot. Blair and co were pink tories.

Don’t forget Big Ag!

The Blair government was one of the most revolutionary governments we have ever had.Its a misconception that they were tories with a red rosette.So many of its members were ex communists of some persuasion who when in power,had the M15 files on themselves destroyed.

Would that be destroyed in the way that the Guardian had hard disks destroyed? As a former public servant, I doubt that the files were actually “destroyed”.

Sorry Ewan, just seen your post.

One strongly suspects they were ‘told’ their files had been destroyed.

You must be living in a parallel universe if you think the financial markets are uncontrolled. We live under a communist system and have done for decades. Mrs Thatcher tried to free us but was removed in a coup.Big Pharma, Big Data and Big Finance are backed and protected by the state. Your analysis of the situation is typical of someone who understands didlly fucking squat about economics. It’s one of the dumbest posts i’ve read here.

500.000 people expected/hoped for at a demo in Berlin on 1.8..
Fingers xd.

The resistance has to organize itself better and that, IMO, internationally coordinated.

Respected figureheads of the criticism and advocates of alternatives, like Tegnell, Ioannidis, Gupta, Sumption, Kreiss, Homburg, Raoult etc. must gain prominence everywhere.

Good luck!

Masks are just a political weapon disguised as a public health concern.

Below are some data points to make a flyer with and distribute:

– Randomized controlled trials of face masks have shown no detectable effect against transmission of viral infections;

– There has never been a single randomized control trial done that proves the efficacy of masks for the prevention of viral transmission;

– 2019 study of 2862 participants showed that both N95 respirators and surgical masks “resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory confirmed influenza”;

– 2016 meta-analysis randomized controlled trials and observational studies of N95 respirators and surgical masks used by healthcare workers did not show benefit against transmission of respiratory infections;

– Schlieren imaging showed that both surgical masks and cloth masks had farther brow jets (unfiltered upward airflow past eyebrows) than not wearing any mask at all, 182 mm and 203 mm respectively, vs none discernible with no mask. Backward unfiltered airflow was found to be strong with all masks compared to not masking;

– A study of 44 mask brands found mean 35.6% penetration. Most medical masks had over 20% penetration, while “general masks and handkerchiefs had no protective function in terms of the aerosol filtration efficiency.” The study found that “Medical masks, general masks, and handkerchiefs were found to provide little protection against respiratory aerosols”;

– N95 respirators are made with a 0.3 micron filter, Coronaviruses are approximately 0.125 microns in diameter;

– Cloth masks were found to have low efficiency for blocking particles of 0.3 microns and smaller. Aerosol penetration through the various cloth masks are between 74 and 90%;

– Healthcare workers wearing cloth masks were found to have 13 times the risk of influenza-like illness than those wearing medical masks;

– Surgical mask wearers had significantly increased dyspnea after a 6-minute walk than non-mask wearers;

– Research shows facemasks increases burden on pulmonary, circulatory and immune systems, due to oxygen reduction and air trapping reducing substantial carbon dioxide exchange;

– Healthcare workers were found to have a loss in volume of oxygen consumption by 13.8% compared to controls when wearing N95 respirators. 17.7% less carbon dioxide was exhaled As a result there is a shift to metabolic acidosis;

– Various respiratory pathogens are common on the outer surface of used medical masks, which could result in self-contamination;

– Surgical masks were found to be a repository of bacterial contamination. The source of the bacteria was determined to be the body surface of the surgeons. Without the protective garb of surgeons, laypeople have even more exposed body surface to serve as a source for bacteria to collect on their masks;

– The data show that masks serve more as instruments of obstruction of normal breathing, rather than as effective barriers to pathogens. Therefore, masks should not be used by the general public, either by adults or children.

On top of that, people don’t know that there are two types of N95 masks: industrial and medical, and they filter in different directions

Industrial are for filtering dust.

… and designed to ensure that everything else goes straight through in both directions.

A good summary.

“ Masks are just a political weapon disguised as a public health concern.”

… as are lock-ups and mad exaggerations of anti-social distancing. You have to be a bear of little brain to believe the advertising!

Spot on Allen. Well done!

DavidC

Nice summary, but, as Lebon stated well over a hundred years ago:
You can’t reason with a fanatic, let alone one who is part of a crowd or a/that crowd.

Great stuff!!! Thanks for this!

https://m.facebook.com/lancspolice/photos/a.187144407983524/3426604470704152/?type=3&scmts=scwspsdd&extid=OLzRiZvY4B262SOd

Bollocks

Can you see the misery in that dog’s eyes?

Not misery….. just embarrassment that the world now knows he works for the same outfit as Cressida Disk

I thought it was Cressida dick

Content not found. That was quick!

for those that missed it, it was a photo of a police alsatian wearing a mask .

I have a friend who is a hospital porter. Young and fit (walks 15 miles a day on his job) He had a good moan when told he had to wear mask and said how uncomfortable it was.
Today he told me that he was working evening shift last night – masked up – and ended up having to go to A&E as he finished his shift as he had breathing issues and a ridiculously high blood pressure. Took 4 hours to get treated (no staff favouritism). He is working again tonight (so not allowed to be sick). Be interesting to see what happens.

Interesting. When masks appeared as a sine qua non in hospital settings (well after the peak of any viral infection), I had a conversation with a stoical male nurse about the effect of wearing one all day. He said he frequently ended up with a headache by the time he got home, and yes, even without that, it was extremely uncomfortable.

You would be hard pushed to rationally defend more general and constant wearing of masks by normal health criteria.

Worrying if lots of people are driving home suffering from face nappy headaches. Now there’s a health risk!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8256631/New-Jersey-driver-wearing-N95-mask-hours-crashes-passing-out.html

That’s ridiculous that he can’t go off sick when he works in a hospital. The NHS is supposed to look after people.

Hahahahaha – but not funny.

The NHS today only looks after people with covid-19, if you have anything else you’e f***ed

I posted the other day about if the UK, with a population of 67 million, has one in four people wearing ONE disposable mask a day (and disposing of it at the end of the day), at a weight of 3.5 grams, will produce 64 TONS of waste EACH DAY.

Given the bit in Toby’s piece above, I’ve done a recalculation.
World population around 7.7 billion.

Assume ONE IN ONE HUNDRED people wears one 3.5 gram disposable mask a day and throws it away at the end of the day.

That’s 269.5 tonnes or 273.9 UK tons of MASK waste PER DAY!

And that’s before any other waste such as sanitizer bottles, hand sanitizer wipes, nanaoparticle waste or any other waste is considered. That is frightening.

DavidC

In a few months time, when the waste becomes news, some idiot will come out and say that mistakes might have been made and that lessons can be drawn, but of course, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

In a few months time, when the waste becomes news

It was headline news on my local Beeb the other night! And that when the new requirement was barely off the starting blocks. There has also been a story about a Seagull with it’s legs bound together by the ear straps of a muzzle – it was only caught when too weak to evade the wildlife rescue people…

Someone needs to get that into the ear of holy greta. if she is serious about the planet she can’t stand by and watch surely…!

Good work, I might quote you on that.

I’ve unfortunately had a few floaters ( masks, a glove, wet wipes ) go past me in the sea, especially a few weeks back. Clear today thankfully

The Jehova’s Witness response.

Over the years I’ve honed my response to the Witnesss to a polite: ‘No thank you, I’m not interested’.

Shopped at Waitrose earlier on. Masked lady vigorously wiping down trolleys pushed one at me and said: ‘ you need to wear a mask’.—Que Witness response— ‘No thank you, I’m not interested’ and in I went. This was the Otley branch and once inside I would estimate that 80% of shoppers were masked. But hey! 20% weren’t. No aggro from masked folk but I made a point of smiling at the unmasked and one or two responded in kind.

This reminded me of when I was a kid and my dad was the proud possessor of a Reliant Robin (think Del boy’s van in Only fools and horses). There weren’t many of them on the road (thank goodness) but those that were had a certain camaraderie that was expressed with a gentle wave as they passed each other on the highway. It was as if they belonged to a club of like minded souls and my dad would get very excited at the site of another Reliant as it came into view.

Now I’m not saying that I’m going to get excited when I see a person not wearing a mask in a shop but I do intend to smile at every shopper I see NOT wearing a face dressing. Not everyone will respond I’m sure but they must be like minded souls and the goal must surely be to increase the membership of this, at present, minority but very select club.

This morning I went to Waitrose, Sainsbury’s and Home Bargains, all in Wantage. I was pleased that in the town there were not so many people wearing masks as I had seen earlier in the week. Maybe the Saturday shoppers were different, I thought. But guess what, I was the ONLY shopper in all three shops not wearing a mask. I did not get challenged by the staff on the way in, or even spoken to at all. They are clearly doing what they’ve said they’ll do and not challenging anyone. If there had been any others, like you I would have given them a matey smile, but there were none. I didn’t get any nasty looks but oh boy did I feel like I was the weird one. I just couldn’t believe how they were all so COMPLIANT. Young and old alike following like sheep. I have to say that shopping has become a horrible experience and I don’t know whether I want to do it again, but I probably will, because I like to do my food shopping in real shops.

Beware though – amongst the bare faced, there will be some who are ‘genuinely’ exempt and believe very strongly that everyone else should be muzzled.

Still, smiles are very infectious.

Just receive this email from Waitrose

FACE COVERINGS

From Friday 24 July, we’re asking you to follow the new government legislation on face coverings while shopping in our stores.

All customers, apart from children under 11 and those who have reasonable cause, such as a health condition, disability, physical or mental impairment, should wear a face mask, scarf or other covering. Not all exemptions are visible, so please be understanding of other shoppers.

You will also see our Partners in both Waitrose and John Lewis stores will be wearing face coverings. These will be worn by all Partners who are not exempt when they are in areas where two metre social distancing cannot be achieved or where other measures, such as screens, are not present.

So first we have the long list of exemptions to muzzle wearing: physical illnesses, mental illnesses, severe distress, need to be able to lip read, to avoid harm or injury, to eat and drink or take medicine etc..
Then we have an even longer list of places where masks are not required:cinemas, theatres, gyms, museums etc..
Then we have the government kindly providing exemption cards for us to print out in case we really can’t wear a mask.

After all of these get-out clauses, is there anyone left in the UK who actually IS required to wear a face mask? Is that the real intention behind all this-a bit like breaking lockdown was? The government can thus abdicate its responsibility and say, “It wasn’t us”

I do wonder if that’s the point deny all responsibility by the govt.

I suspect so. They’ve been perfectly clear about this all along, It’s the MSM and the local council hitlers that give the opposite impression.

New get-out clause: suffering from sanity.

Just guidance really.

But.. in a museum apparently you don;t need a mask, unless there is an in-store shop – then you apparently need to wear a mask when you cross some mystical line to enter the shop, and can remove it when you repass the line – not sure what happens to you as you cross the line which means you need a mask

I like the part where they say the queues are reducing and no queues at many shops… D’uh, that’s because fewer people are going!

Not all exemptions are visible says Waitrose. True but which ones ARE visible? Very few – most are not discernible to the eye …just another Fake Tale.

No all examples of blatant FASCISM and a near A psychopathic view towards humanity is visable either eh JOHN LEWIS? John Lewis and Waitrose totally suck in so many ways. Actually their customer service right now is a total joke, almost totally non functional.

Got that email too.The bit about smaller queues made me laugh, don’t they know why that is?

Most odd.

Just back from a sea swim. Foggy, drizzle, and a bit rough, so miserable really; but water was warm which always helps. Will be doing more sea swims now, as we learn today (gym reopening day) that most pools won’t be open for a long while yet. That will help with obesity, especially as the weightlessness of swimming is easy on overstrained joints. I wonder how long it will be before I spy my first muzzle in the sea or washed up on the beach.

Called in at Tesco on the way back. Didn’t need to but I wanted to buy a token item on Day 2 of Muzzleland. Quite busy, and I was the only un-muzzled adult. One woman avoided me as if I had bubonic plague sores or something. Then again, I was in my beach clothes (i.e. rags), 6-month uncut hair still wet and sticking out like Ken Dodd, and I probably smelled of piss (having peed in my wetsuit several times). I probably wasn’t giving us exempts a very good image.

Thing is though, I was actually enjoying being there, the only un-muzzled person. I wonder if any other sceptics have experienced the same? And a message for any sceptics who haven’t been shopping yet un-muzzled: go for it! You’ll be pleased you did.

And don’t forget that the very best ‘clubs’ and those most worthy of joining are those with limited numbers.

“I wonder if any other sceptics have experienced the same? ”

Yep: I had huge fun in Asda yesterday

I had you down as a bona fide hero, TJN … till you mentioned the wetsuit …

I admit, I am a wimp with cold water. But they do help with jellyfish and getting knocked about on rocks. And I’m nearly always on my own, so if I get back and my beach stuff is gone I don’t have to get home nearly naked.

It’s a scandal that most pools won’t be re-opening any time soon. And this is announced on the same day they announce their obesity drive. More long-term damage from the lockdown.

What the freekin hell makes swimming pools so dangerous? This just goes back to superstition, some snooty old hypocondriac dame probably thought this one up, “on no the plebs are just TOO unclean to allow them to go to swimming pools”. The B*(^%$ds.

Isn’t that what CHLORINE is for?!?

It isn’t that they are dangerous. It’s that if they reopen under the current ‘guidelines’ they won’t cover their costs and will thus be losing money. This goes for many businesses. The economy is a basket case.

I should say, are you a swimmer too? Surely you don’t do loads of sea swimming with no wetsuit!

Very occasionally TJN. Mid-Sept to mid-Oct, if the weather is hot.
But no wetsuit.

There’s nothing quite like sea swimming to clear and freshen the mind.

Question:
Has the Chinese economy suffered as bad as ours?

No, but if I was in their shoes I would be a bit concerned that I had $3-4 trillion in the US Treasury market given the way the wind is blowing.

Who makes face nappies, hand poison, plastic gloves….?

“”What people really want to focus on now is what are we doing to prepare for the next phase.”” Boris Johnson

No, Boris, I and many others are not playing your game any more. I’ve taken my ball home. I couldn’t give a toss about your preparation for the next phase, because as far as we are concerned, there won’t be one. We are more interested in when you are going to bring this whole charade to an end.

AGREE!!

Totally agree or I think a lot of people will be willing to end it all for him.

The men in grey suits will be on the case in the autumn, IMO

I hope so or I’ll be doing it for them!

New Covviesymptom discovered: irresistible suicidal tendencies, developing about four months after the first infection. Affects fat, stupid politicians.

How about reversing that and ending him for all?

I demand an opt-out clause.

There’s no way I’m going back into any form of lockdown.

Hear, hear!!! So fed up with this now.

I feel like I am living in some sort of parallel universe, in my world there was a bit of a virus a while back but the weekly death rate is now back to normal (below average in fact) and the hospital are doing OK and a long way from being overwhelmed and life can now get back to normal. But in the universe many people seem to be living in there still seems to be some need for panic and fear and people see doom and gloom around every corner, I do not understand their universe and really do not want to live there!
Someone today had tied a rather old grotty hanky around his mouth as a face mask, goodness knows what it had been used for? (wiping his hands after mucking out?) but it would certainly have been better for everyone’s hygiene if he had kept it in his pocket.

You win the prize for “comment of the day”. Nice one.

I feel like I am living in some sort of parallel universe

I wish I bloody well was – one devoid of Messrs Johnson & Hancock for a start, and with no zombies wearing face nappies in sight. One where “The Science” can not be constantly evolving for Covid, yet is resolutely “settled” when dealing with Climate Change. One where politicians don’t constantly lie (not that we can even see them doing it now), and occasionally admit they’re wrong.There’s lots more on my list, but these starters would allow me a tiny weeny bit of hope for the future, something I don’t have right now…

I walked up the hill to the pub earlier and I realised after I walked past the masked zombies at the bus stop that I felt completely detached from them. Like they were occupying a different world. Maybe I’m going mad or maybe the world is.

As I commented elsewhere – Invasion of the Bodysnatchers.

Carl Vernon on magic cloths:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjCI4XTsPLk

1/ It’s not a surprise that UK Government is blaming obesity for Covid-19. This is a gold mine for the pharma/NHS complex.
http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2017/12/the-beneficent-nhs-where-corporate-government-makes-a-buck-from-population-control/

They’re using that study that’s come out, but the problem with that study is that it only considers unadjusted univeriate analyses, which is not the proper way to do such studies, but then again, all of science has been thrown down the drain with this mild-to-medium severity ‘flu.

Haven’t a clue what this means, but upticked anyway.

For example, an obese person can have hypertension, or diabetes, or some CVD, in a proper adjusted analysis, you’d jusxtapose rates for obese people with no health conditions and those for obese people with either all of those or each of those and compare rate ratios for all; if there is no significant difference for rate ratios, then obesity is a factor, if there is significant difference between rate ratios for obese-healthy and obese-chronically ill, then obesety is not a factor. What they appear to have done is just lumped all obese people (both healthy and with chronic health issues) and said: “et voila!”

Would have asked, IMoz, would have asked. But ta anyway.

Why have a study? You just have to look at them.

Has it occurred to.anyone that being fat makes people more likely to have a bad outcome with ANY disease?

So why does it suddenly.matter NOW?

2/ However, it’s more likely that there is a correlation between obesity and Covid-19 because ARBs and ACEIs (the prescription drugs ladled out for obesity, high blood pressure, etc) appears to create more of the protein that SARS-COV binds to at the lung; this is leads to the infection and the pneumonia.

http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/04/more-on-sars-cov-to-ace2-binding-and-true-covid-19-that-discredits-uk-governments-pretext-for-creating-economic-disaster/

Thanks I wondered from the beginning if the problem was caused by the drug treatment, not the condition!

These are the sort of questions journalists ought to be investigating!

Also the reduced lung volume in a fatty and probably much weaker breathing muscles and more pressure on the lungs in general due to excess body fat might well lead to complications if they did come down with SARS2-Cov.

Good point. Obese people tend to be breathless to start with.

It probably due to lung function more than being fat. I have a gone to seed rugby player build (BMI 39) and just had to have full spirometry as part of a work medical. For a man of my age and ethnicity the pass mark was 70 (doctor explain did all really well), I scored between 97 and 134 on the tests so very good lung function. Lots of guys who are lower BMI and age than me were only just squeaking through.

Forgot to say – just saying “it’s because you are obese” is an easy get out though. No more explanation needed and it’s easy to see.

3/ Some more on the obesity scapegoat here:
http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/05/the-covid-19-science-problem-part-two-obesity-theory-wont-provide-a-solution-no-matter-how-hard-its-pushed/

The best argument against masks:- “if something like that was helpful, life on Earth would have long evolved to have that”

Doesn’t quite trump “They look stupid and they’re fucking dangerous”. For me, anyway.

Funnily enough, following a question earlier today from a friend of mine on F***book about something Covid-19 related I’d said exactly that!

Spot on!

DavidC

But Life somehow evolved Handjob…

There are always some throwbacks…

It did.

It’s called the immune system.

I think there is a connection between this Covid-19 baloney and the late last year Greta Thunberg global rallies. Children were given the day off, usually accompanied by their mothers. Five year olds were carrying signs that read ‘Save the Earth’. It was all government sanctioned/approved/promoted, with free transport. The entire City of Montreal was shut down, streets cordoned off, the police at their stations. The streets were teeming with thousands of people, elbow to elbow, all marching to the same drummer. Six months later, in March 2020, we had empty streets, children not going to school and not carrying signs, people wearing masks, swerving into the street to avoid getting too close to another human being … all marching to the same drummer. All government sanctioned/approved/promoted. Three months after that, Black Lives Matter took over the streets of Montreal with young people carrying signs, mostly designer dressed middle class black, white and tan college/university students, no children, walking elbow to elbow, unmasked, taking over the cordonned off streets, not swerving out of the way, all marching to the same drummer. A few weeks later the All Clear was given and pubs began to fill up. All government approved/sanctionned/promoted. That was shortlived, though and since yesterday, we are back to the imposition of masks, more swerving pedestrians, mask wearers in motorized vehicles … All government sanctionned/approved/promoted.

Cultural Marxism. The Marxists were ready and waiting for the Covid pandemic. Last year’s Climate protests (Extinction Rebellion) were the trial run. Yes, it is orchestrated through middle class women and their kids. Like you, we have a soppy Liberal Dear Leader – look at Boris’s father, sister and current girlfriend – they are easy targets for the Cultural Marxists behind the scenes.

I went to an Extinction rally in town last year, not to join it just to have a look. I was absolutely ENRAGED, shaking with rage. I could see clearly what was going on. It really did look like a Hitler youth rally, flags and all. There were about 80 school girls and a few boys and an even fewer ordinary people. I knew a lot of them, old local greenies.

They even were mostly in school uniforms. Their posters stayed for months on empty shop fronts. The councill would have gotten rid of any other political posters immediately. I was intensely aware of the DANGER it posed. I was the only person to see this. I said to my friend there that I thought this was DANGEROUS.

I was particularly aggreived at the way some lefty/green party people who are very well know in the local area had hitched their political wagons onto this march and were literally using schoolgirls to bolster their political bullshit. The same bullshit they have been spouting for years and nobody listened to them at all.

Moreover, the press was really behind them, saying stuff like the march was led by the head girl from one of our posh girl’s schools. This is how The Corona Project has been enabled. They are targeting the young systematically with intense propaganda. State sponsored “demonstrations” so transparent.

Scottish parliament set up an enclosed camp ground for extintion rebellion crapistas on the lawn at parliament – they wanted them there. For a week of disruption – much publicised before hand. Did not last a week. Such poor turn outs no local engagement it was embarrasing to see 5 or 6 radicals sitting beside a pile of rubbish, an old chair some plastic and a bit of cardboard… a protest! Edinburgh completely ignored the establishment funded fake protestors extintion rebellion.
The school children were given council approval to stay off school one friday to protest. Better than school some did. Many others fucked off and had a long weekend.

Fake. Contrived. Bullshit. Enemies of the people.

Vernon Coleman – good overview so far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhJL6RDo9XA

Vernon Coleman is right on the money, getting more angry with each video, trying to tell people they need to wake up.

The bit about social credits sent shivers down my spine!

Dr Malcolm Kendrick on form

‘ Why the scaremongering about COVID?’

Extract:

The reality is that COVID-19 has all but gone in the UK and Europe. The slow, but inexorable rise in deaths in the UK is being driven by the fact that anyone who has ever had a positive COVID-19 test, who dies, is recorded as dying of COVID.

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/07/25/covid-fear/

So true.

Don’t get these tests, they are unreliable, lots of false positives and should you die long after from another reason you will be a Covid statistic

The tests are currently a perverse incentive. If you get one and test positive you risk incurring the wrath of a local lockdown upon your area, now with trumped up council busybodies able to enforce one without needing the say so of a brainless minister. One should refuse all testing until such point as the government scraps its ability to order lockdowns, and repeals all other authoritarian measures in the 2020 covid act. Once the govrnment are willing to work with virus containment measures which are compatible ith magna carta, human rights and civil liberties then, and only then, should we consider doing anything which would let them get the data they need to have a full picture of covid’s (now negligible) spread.

Yes, well worth reading. Here’s a highlight

A biomedical scientist in the UK sent me an e-mail two days ago, about the testing they had done.
‘In the week 9th – 16th July we carried out 2800 PCR tests (across three different platforms: mainly on the Hologic Panther, but some on the Cepheid GeneXpert and Biomerieux BioFire) and had only 4 positives. These 4 positives were all patients who had previously tested positive. We had NO new cases, and after checking back a few weeks, the only positives we have had have been from repeat swabs from these same 4 patients – they were almost acting like QC samples to ensure that our tests were actually working properly! ’
Two thousand eight hundred tests and none positive. This scientist contacted other laboratories, and they were seeing the same things. ‘I have contacted a couple of nearby NHS Pathology Labs and they reported the same findings as us: zero or near zero new cases for several weeks.’
What on earth is going on?

Coup, coup …

[Bill Hicks, pigeons]

How long before our leaders are wearing military uniforms?

For gods sake why doesn’t this make ANY bastard news outlets. This is just POISON.

Malcolm Kendrick’s article originally appeared on rt.com.

So how are they reporting hundreds of new cases every day? I’m sure some of them are repeat/double counted tests, but not that many surely?

Today they performed 157,229 tests and found 767 positives. That is 0.49% which could well be in the range of false positives.
They also list antibody tests and it’s not clear if a positive in this is counted as infected which would totally confuse matters.

Kendrick rocks!

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First we need soldiers in the supermarkets, in the veg shop, butchers and chippy! Don’t hide behind the online shopping malarkey (unless you really have a good reason) We need -courage. Lets make 1 – 2 and 2- 4 and then 4-8 and then 8-16 and then 16-32 and then 32-64 and then 64-128. We need 100 soldiers of freedom in every town by next week. ONLY YOU CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN!

Yep, agreed. One of the few (and most important) things we can do is maintain our normal routines / way of life.

Spot on. Normal is poison to the Fascist devils. Feed ’em tons of it.

Yep that has been my way throughout all of this, just carry on as normal. The more ridiculous the rule, the more important it is to completely ignore it. Like this face mask shit.

Has anyone else observed the “expert” opinions that are making click bait are getting more and more ludicrous? It’s as though all the academic egos that haven’t been stroked yet realise they need to make more ridiculous and more ambit claims of disaster to get their names in the media. Dear old Fauci is not even immune from it. Wake up world, “science” is very far from infallible and impartial – they are pushing their own narrow like never before!! Anything for a grant, or it’s back to unemployment for them!

Unemployment? Freekin JAIL is what these bastards need.

These “scientists” are behaving more shamans and witch doctors. The scientific methods has gone out of the window.

No need to disrespect shamans and witch doctors !

The problem is because no one is now getting sick the so called experts can’t say there’s no point in wearing a mask because nature is in control and the virus will infect you with a mask or no mask.

The plebs now wearing masks are too thick to work this out.

Sadly I broke up with gf today, after realising the long distance thing is making it unsustainable. It has been on the cards for a while. I didn’t think it would be possible to feel any lower in 2020, but today I managed to hit that new low.

I think what makes it harder is that all of my usual coping mechanisms have been ruined by govt interference. My gym is not the same. My favourite cafe is not the same. My favourite pub has no live music and dancing anymore.

A defining moment for me is the fact that my local cafe is no longer providing newspapers/magazines anymore to read. This is due to the local authority banning them because of the risk of cross-contamination between customers. All businesses serving food under the Richmond LA have been told that all staff must mask up.

I will have to turn to my faith now more than ever, and pray that I can be strong and life finds a way to return to some sort of normality. Today has been a real punch in the guts

So sorry to hear this RDawg.

Very sorry to hear what you’re going through RDawg

So sorry RDawg. We will all try to help you through this.

Sorry to hear this RDawg. Lots of people are feeling very dark now, so you aren’t alone.

My advice is to do lots of shopping unmasked. One, you’ll feel better straight away. Two, sooner or later they’ll be some gal doing the same and you’ll click immediately as having something in common. I reckon shops could become the new dating sites.

And remember, always look out for the crazy and absurd. Lockdown sceptics are winning the humour war by a country mile (not that we have much competition).

Shops have always been a good dating site – years ago, hovering over the chilled food in M&S… ah….

Sorry to hear this RDawg.

Pray. Be strong. Tribulation comes, then redemption.
I lit a candle for us all today in our brave Catholic church.Whatever your religion, or even if you have none, , you have faith in Good against Evil. We all hold to that.
Bless you all.

Sorry about the gf, keep strong. I don’t understand all the cross contamination bulshit. If that’s the case with publications surely it’s the same with seats, people do put their hands on seats. Maybe everyone should stand instead.

Don’t give them ideas!

Thank you all for your kind words and support guys. In a world of pain right now and very confused about everything. Nothing makes sense anymore.

RDawg, I’m sorry to hear that. It’s one of those other risks of life, I know it quite well.

I will quote the great Spencer Conway, who once said (and this goes for all of us on here) “no matter how bad things get, this momment will pass”.

He was lying in a ditch in Africa having been shot by an automatic weapon and waited two days to see if they’d come back to finish him off when he thought of that. Then he got up and walked many miles to find a hospital.

Go out with a smile on your face and others will smile back. You’re not on your own.

Really sorry to hear this. Tough to deal with losing a relationship in normal times.
Completely understand about the coping mechanisms. Dont know if you’re the church type, but for me church was a coping mechanism, and loosing that community has been tough, as well as swimming, spontaneous day trips etc.. all stopped or sanitized.

I enjoy your posts and updates. Thanks for sharing

This is exactly how I feel (without the breakup luckily) and I’m now resolved. The gvt. have until Christmas to row back on this insanity – or, at least quietly let it gracefully melt away – or I’m gone from these shores. Still compiling my list of where I’ll be going (getting longer by the day as more and more countries cancel the apocalypse). I refuse to live in a country where living normally is pathologised.

I haven’t spent all these years learning languages and travelling for nothing. It’s time I used my skills.

Do it. Wish I was a bit younger, but am a little too old to start over again.

Any suggestions as to where might be good? Would be much appreciated. Not sure I can hang on until Christmas.

Sweden?

Its on my list. Also France which I know quite well – as they have promised not to lock down again. Trying to think more widely though. Could be an opportunity for a marvellous adventure.
Saw your news. Tough time eh. Hope you can find things to do for yourself, the small things like a warm bath, a walk, a gaze at the sky, something nice to eat, that make you feel better in the moment. Small pleasures can make the days bearable. Wishing you well

Agh soz I never replied!

Current list:

1. Most of Eastern Europe. They seem to be back to normal. – Bar Poland which went a bit batshit crazy with their quarantine enforcement selfies. I may be a bit biased because I’ve alway wanted to travel here – particularly Romania and Transylvania which are just stunning.
2. Serbia & Croatia. Serbia rioted and got their way. Croatia seems to have never really succumbed to the nonsense and has really low (AKA non-fake) death rate. (I also have a few Croatian friends and can muddle along in the language)
3. Greece. See Croatia. They did panic and go into lockdown but seemed to relent pretty quickly when they realised the nothingburger status of their ‘outbreak’. I am basically an adopted Greek and can speak Greek so…. this would be pretty easy for me.
4. TANZANIA! – Seriously, I love Africa (never been!) so if I could get a decent job this could actually be an option. Dude banned face masks and tested a papaya and is my hero for life.
5. Scandinavia – more specifically Sweden (of course), Norway, Finland and Iceland. The reason they are lower down on my list is that they’re pretty hard to survive in if you don’t have a really well paid job – high cost of living etc. They are just such sensible, sound people though by the sound of it. My Dad (extensive traveller for work, been everywhere) says the Fins and the Icelanders are “completely insane” but in a good way.
6. Germany and Italy are also on the list but only because of personal convenience (friends and family, I can muddle along in German and speak Italian, contacts etc.) But I’m not so confident about them with regards post-Covid madness. At least there are stirrings of dissent in these countries though via protests and some governmental agitation (Italian MPs calling Covid a fraud, German government departments inititally strongly against lockdown – but were ignored). I’m pretty confident neither of these nations would nationally lock down again.

Oooh. Also maybe 7. The Netherlands/Switzerland. I have heard positive stirrings for both countries (The Swiss were apparently VERY disparaging of lockdown and only had moderate measures like Sweden) but also negative ones (they appear to be very mask happy in both countries).

What is still closed in England? Theatres, live music, comedy venues & night clubs is that everything?

Pools.

Sports stadia.

Some museums and heritage sites are still closed.

A lot of people’s minds!

DavidC

Got to agree with that, sadly.

Parliament

Is parliament in summer recess yet? For all the good they are doing they may as well be.

Yes. Bunked off just before the mask edict came into force.

My retail report:

Covent Garden – super dead, even Apple store so looks like people are waking up to how draconian they are and are voting with their feet and wallet. Had lovely lunch with takeways from Wahaca and Santa Nata – very positive experience from both

Mr Bart wanted to go to a garden centre so we headed off to one in North London, fairly close to where we used to live. Small sign outside about mandatory muzzling but we ignored it and inside no-one challenged us. Other customers constantly touching their faces and adjusting muzzles. Mr Bart overheard one woman complaining about being uncomfortable and having trouble breathing. Woman who rang up our purchase constantly fiddling with her muzzle and glasses.

Sainsbury’s – doorman asked if I had a muzzle, I said I was medically exempt and he smiled and gave me a thumbs up. Once inside I had no problems but staff looked rather unhappy and demoralised wearing the muzzles.

I won’t be surprised if the takings this weekend will be so bad to non existent and will hasten the demise of more shops.

Wife just got back from Teesside Park near Middlesbrough. Just about everyone in M&S wearing a muzzle, and the retail park was packed out like any other Saturday before the hysteria started. I rate this as bad news.

Indeed. That said I wonder if this is because people who are still employed have just been paid.

I believe we are on Stage 6 of the 10 Stages of Genocide. ?cb=1444338307

To follow up a post I made earlier in the week, in which I explained that many of my colleagues in Sainsbury’s had no intention of adhering to Sainsbury’s diktat that all shop-floor employees must wear masks, I have just come back from a shift this afternoon.

I walked into the shop without a mask, started work and at no point was I given any trouble by a manager. Two department managers weren’t wearing one and the store manager herself was wearing one, but as a chinstrap. I was the only shelf-stacker not masked, except for Colleague A from Tuesday who had gone to great pains to prove herself exempt on medical grounds.

Many other colleagues were making a mockery of the rule by wearing their masks as chinstraps, although sadly at least 50 per cent persisted in wearing their masks in the correct Orwellian fashion, even though they were constantly fiddling with them or taking them down to talk.

I think I’m extremely lucky to be working in a store where the management has taken such a laissez-faire , common-sense approach, but what disappoints me is that, with this in mind, half its employees are muzzling up of their own free will. It just goes to reinforce Aldous Huxley’s warning that “A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.”

Cheering. Keep it up.
By God, they gave to coerce people like us. And it isn’t working. If the whole population were truly enslaved they wouldn’t need to bother obliterating faces.

A few observations of customers from an afternoon spent working on the shop floor.

The Saddest Irony Award goes to the masked woman carrying a bag emblazoned with the legend ‘Free Soul’.

The “Please Don’t Hurt Me, I’m a Good Boy, Honest!” Award went to the man who was having a conversation on his mobile ‘phone and tried desperately to tuck it inside his face mask.

The Best Piss-Take Award went to the young unmasked woman who just held her sleeve across her face if she thought someone might be looking at her.

Got back from the Czech Republic yesterday.

Did many normal things there that are strictly verboten in England such as eat a buffet breakfast everyday, visited a swimming pool (without any butterfly stroke restirctions) and even listened to some live music in a bar! The coronaphobes would have a heart attack if they found out!

We’re thinking of Prague for October, but after what’s just happened regarding Spain – we’re thinking again. What a bunch of gits we have running this country.

I don’t blame you. We went on a bit of a whim because we’re both airline staff so we get cheap fully flexible tickets as a perk. If I was paying full fare without flexible cancellation I’d certainly think twice.

Did you have to wear a mask when you went up to the buffet to choose your breakfast though? On holiday in the north of France things were normal except for the masks, so I would put on my mask when I went up to the buffet then take it off and leave it on the table while I was eating my breakfast. Which wasn’t a very hygienic thing to do but nobody seemed to mind all the germs I might be leaving on the table.

If Johnson still doesn’t know a thing about the virus – moron – maybe he should have listened to those that do, people like Knut Wittowski (this back in April).

WITTKOWSKI: Of course! I don’t know where these (huge) numbers are coming from—they’re totally unrealistic. There are no indications that this flu is fundamentally different from every other flu. We know what happened in China, we know what happened in South Korea, we know what happened, or is happening, in Europe. There are no indications that anything is different from a regular flu. Maybe it’s a bit worse than other flus—could be?
For a respiratory disease, the flu ends during springtime, that people spend more time outdoors because outdoors, the viruses cannot easily spread. That is a form of containment, spending more time outdoors.
INTERVIEWER: So, we’re now spending more time indoors. We’ve been told to go indoors. Isn’t that—doesn’t that help keep the virus going?
WITTKOWSKI: It keeps the virus healthy, yeah.
INTERVIEWER: So we should be told to go outdoors?
WITTKOWSKI: Yeah. Going outdoors is what stops every respiratory disease.

Full interview here: https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/04/15/herd-immunity-expert-explains-why-covid-19-lockdown-social-distancing-doesnt-actually-work/

One of the many posters from back then

This one was posted around the children’s play equipment near my mum’s house!
No wonder it’s hard getting the children back playing there!

I may be pointing out the obvious to some but still worthwhile. The nhs image has been consciously colour shifted to cause a emotional response.

Compare it with the angelic photo of ferguson. Another deliberate choice of imaging.

https://www.google.com/search?q=neil+ferguson&client=ms-android-samsung&prmd=inv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi8-OiogunqAhVHyaQKHdvPAEsQ_AUoAXoECB0QAQ&biw=360&bih=560&dpr=2#imgrc=NE44fy-48mjQ4M

The NHS briefed and approved an image that causes stress and anxiety. All throughly obvious I know. But no less shocking for that. I cannot express how ^&£_$@&(* this is.

Clearly the words are rotten too, we may see this image in history books of propaganda. The contrast between the NHS logo – a caring organisation, yet such brutal aggressive messaging causes the stress. The NHS public health officials are scum.

Yep, perfectly set up, with a colour grade straight from a dystopian movie.

From memory, they actually used the words ” STAY INSIDE” at the start of lockdown, this was replaced widely with ” STAY HOME”. I wonder why?

28 days later. Funny because it was boyle who directed olympic opener too.

In britain we use the word ‘at’ interesting ommision in both. Then corbett rocks up with his video https://youtu.be/EmWDUmFV6yY

And so we have a marketing campaign to instill fear and panic in our population. Folk are saying they aren’t going to vote for them again. We need to be locking these people up.

People furloughed or not working in offices any more?

‘Home’ has a much deeper emotional resonance than ‘inside’ ?

They really are, that’s pretty shocking. No wonder people are mental.

Red and yellow. Interesting!
Colours of the Chinese flag as pointed out on Friday’s UK Column.

https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-24th-july-2020

Red and black – Mars, nazis.

Yellow and black – wasps.

Both I think danger signals in nature.

All the authorities achieved was to push the infection spread into people’s homes, where they could spread it more easily to each other. I remember hearing/reading about it at the time, but it never got any traction in the media or with politicians.

Wasn’t that one of the big amplifiers in Italy, with all its extended family households?

Not sure on that. I think care homes being abandoned in panic was one of the issues there. But most of the areas, that had out of proportion numbers, were areas with dense populations and poor air quality at the time…Madrid, Lombardy, New York, London etc

I was shouted at on another site for pointing this out. The old TB hospitals had south-facing gardens and verandahs, not to kill off the patients, but to help alleviate their symptoms. Sometimes think the government is trying to reinvent the wheel, just as it tried with the Foot and Mouth outbreak in 2001.

The Foot and Mouth scandal, that had millions of livestock needlessly destroyed, had a lesser known effect.

Prior to that, pigs were fed pigswill, ie leftover food from school dinners and restaurants. Very effective recycling and quite healthy for the pigs.

After F&M, DEFRA mandated that pigs must not be fed on swill. Like cows, they now eat commmercially-produced food that is not particularly suitable for their digestive systems. Pellets made from grain and soy – another win for Big Ag and the hugely powerful seed companies.

Of course, we eat the pork, which is less healthy for us because of the pigs’ unnatural diet.

I suspect that’s one reason Ferguson keeps being mandated to create his disastrous models. Cui bono?

Discarding used masks indiscriminately is as disgusting as discarding used condoms the same way, these fucking zealots need to get a grip (anger increasing day by day)

And I have to wonder how many of those carelessly discarding their PPE also believe in the climate change catastrophe nonsense?

I believe we are on Stage 6 of the 10 Stages of Genocide:

1. Classification: people are divided into “us and them.”
2. Symbolization: people are forced to identify themselves.
3. Discrimination: people begin to face systematic discrimination.
4. Dehumanization: people equated with animals, vermin, or diseases
5. Organization: the government creates specific groups (police/military) to enforce the policies
6. Polarization: the government broadcasts propaganda to turn the populace against the group
7. Preparation: official action to remove/relocate people
8. Persecution: beginning of murders, theft of property, trial massacres
9. Extermination: wholesale elimination of the group. It is “extermination” and not murder people the people are not considered human.
10. Denial: the government denies that it has committed any crime.

Source: Stanton, Gregory (2012). 10 Stages of Genocide. Genocide Watch.

The impact of the mask edict on infection figures in Ireland so far.

These are the words the Irish Taoiseach, Michael Martin, used just over a week ago when he announced he was going to make the wearing of face masks mandatory in Ireland.

My government and I have received very sobering advice from the National Public Health Emergency Team. The concern about the rise in the number of cases over recent weeks is very real.

The R number, which we have all become familiar with, has now risen above ‘1’ in this country.

And the international situation, with almost a million and a half cases reported in just the last week, represents a growing worry.

Using the Irish government’s own website I’ve been able to put the following concrete figures on the Taoiseach’s statement.

The lowest number of “cases confirmed” in a single week since mid-March was towards the end of June – from the 22nd to the 28th June to be exact. In that week there were 67 cases. (In mid April there had been more than 4,000 cases a week.)

As Martin spoke on the 15th July the rise in cases which disturbed him must have occurred in the previous two and a half weeks. What was the size of this increase?

In the week after the 22nd to the 28th June (i.e. up to the 5th of July) there were 94 cases.

And in the week after, up to the 12th of July, there were 127 cases.

An increase certainly – but it was in no way similar to the thirty-three fold increase which occurred over a two week period back in March which led to a lockdown.

In the week Martin made his statement there were 142 cases.

In the week just gone, including today, there were 119 cases – i.e. less that second week of increase earlier this month that caused Mr. Martin and his government so much concern.

What should we make of these figures?

On the face of it it looks like over four million people masking up in the past week has prevented a few score infections occurring? Or has the ‘benefit’ been far greater than meets the eye?

Or could this decline in cases have happened anyway?

Funnily enough, I saw something on Yahoo yesterday claiming the so-called “R” number was “probably” above 1 in every region of England. Hmm.

Ireland, population 4.9 million (republic), currently has 10 people in hospital with the Wuhan Lab flu (five critical). There are 741 active cases, and I’m guessing a lot of these will be asymptomatic. Put another way, the virus has all but disappeared in Ireland. However, it seems the Irish Establishment is, like its British counterpart, stuffed full of wankers. As the pandemic retreats, they claim ever smaller numbers of deaths, cases, positive tests or whatever, are “troubling developments”. It does not bode well for a return to the “old normal”.

Hi Tenchy – do you have those type of stats for Spain?

Hi Steeve, unfortunately not. I source the Irish data from Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

But the equivalent article for Spain doesn’t have that detail and is not quite up-to-date:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Spain

However, you’ll note that each day there are just a handful of deaths in Spain, and the rate of increase in case numbers is below 1%. The article has no information on test numbers as far as I can see, but I bet testing has recently increased significantly.

BTW, face masks are compulsory at all times when outdoors in many parts of Spain. It doesn’t seem to be making a difference.

Thanks! I follow a Swedish site – mainly because I like the graphs + have always have been interested in their policy. On the international graph they do not include Spain.

If populations can be kept witless with fear they won’t question so much the lockdown disaster. I think this might well prompt a keenness for mask wearing edicts, or at least a disposition to enact them.

Might well? It’s exactly what is happening.

What is meant by a “confirmed case?” Is it based on the test or are people actually feeling unwell and turning up in hospital? In which case, what are there symptoms? And how are they treated?

What should we make of these figures?

Your leader’s a cunt, like most of the others ?

Breaking News:

U.K. residents returning from Spain will have to quarantine for 14 days from Monday!

I note a few contributors are there now, if you cannot quarantine coming back, I would get out now.

Actually, if not back by midnight tonight!!!! FFS this is insane

No, just ignore the quarantine

Travel via another country if you can, i.e France

Seems that they’re determined to destroy the airline and travel industries. Might as well hand over the keys to my house now!

Me too, 18 years of running a successful small travel company. Destroyed

But if holiday makers bring the virus back to the UK what on earth else is there to do? Spain are seeing increase in cases, do you want that here? This is a repeat of half term ski trips which started it all last time.

Test them? Ask to stay home for few days and see if there are any symptoms? Not worry that 4500 news cases may be due to increased testing and is only 0.009% of the population of Spain.

Thank you. Great answer. The government are clearly panicking as see this now as purely a vote winner.

And not only due to increased testing, but false positives doubtless in there, if not the mass psychosis referred to above (or below, depending on your options).

Can’t be true anyway, Spain has been nappied up for months, stops transmission don’t it?

Rather than adding thumbs down how about answering my point.

We can’t keep locking down in perpetuity, hotrod. Think about it.

Isn’t this move to stop more lockdowns being necessary? IF infections rise from returning holiday makers then Lockdown may need to return. Hence this step to help avoid. What else could be done if there is a new risk?

Lockdown was NEVER needed and has achieved nothing except to terrify many citizens and destroy a very significant portion of our economy (and of course set in chain hundreds of thousands of avoidable deaths). Do you not yet realise that this is simply a flu-level virus which almost noone would have noticed without the government-sponsored project-fear?

Ok if what you say is all true why on earth are the government sponsoring this? What are they doing all this for exactly?

International peer pressure. Starting in China, then spreading to Italy, and from there to most of the rest of the world. If those clowns hadn’t embarked on their draconian lockdowns the rest of the world wouldn’t have done so either.

Yes but China never had a total national lockdown.

Lets hope the next pandemic starts somewhere libertarian, then in copying the local strategies used to combat it the world can become a more free place. Would be funny to see China forced to adopt fair elections and a ban on censorship as tools against a disease.

Try a bit of independent research, Hotrod. The answers are waiting for you.

See my post up near the top with the new comments on here about the journalist predicting the futhur. That is why they are doing this.

A risk from what? A virus so deadly that you need to be tested to be told that you have it?

People could just be asked to do a test not quarantine.

I didn’t thumbs down you as respect your opinion and thought I answered you perfectly well. I guess the only other answer is to shut down the world completely until the virus is eradicated or we have a vaccine – is that better?

Sorry I know you didn’t and I thanked you for your reply but in between someone else did give the thumbs down.

Living for likes eh?

Hotrod needs an endorphin hit. Posting pro-lockdown and government supportive messages on here probably isn’t the right strategy.

Strategy. An interesting word. . . . .

There is a quote that is (incorrectly) attributed to Ronald Reagan viz:

“Don’t just do something, stand there”. It is appropriate for the moment in time.

Groucho Marx ?

Given the low IFR of this virus, I believe the correct course of action would be to do nothing. Continuously opening and closing things in response to positive test numbers is tail chasing in the extreme.

The tests are totally crap. They give more false positives than accurate results. Especially the PCR test. They cannot be relied upon. The virus is endemic in the UK, in the wild, most people have immunity to it, most people will not even notice they have it, the vast majority will have only very mild symptoms, only a tiny tiny few will have any problem if they have it and even fewer of them will need any kind of medical support to help them get over it. one or two might die if they are already very ill and old.

ITS ALL BOLLOCKS!

Everything you have heard about this virus is a lie.

Short, sweet & to the point.

It’s too worldwide for that. The keyword, as already noted is “Lockstep”.

My son spotted back in April that all the countries were using exactly the same vocabulary. This has been co-ordinated across western economies.

Yes to a script. its easy to see. Same with WMD’s there are loads of videos on youtube showing all world “leaders” saying the same words in relation to Iraq and WMD’s. I saw another video recently that showed the same thing, hundreds of TV stations repeating the same scripted news items using the same intonation. Crazy.

Why the lie. Who is gaining from this in HMG?

That’s a matter of debate.

My own opinion is that they panicked back in March, and policy since then has been driven by the overriding priority of avoiding getting the blame for that while (as a secondary objective) trying to limit the damage to the nation. So they absolutely cannot admit that this was a virus not noticeably more dangerous than past cold/flu epidemics (as the figures demonstrate incontrovertibly) and that the damage inflicted by lockdown was unnecessary, but they need to get people back shopping and working.

Hence all the ludicrous dancing around pretending there’s a dangerous disease still lurking out there.

(I also suspect that one or two key individuals in government (Cummings at least) are literally irrationally afraid of this disease or diseases in general and have been driving policy in irrational directions throughout, but that’s more speculative.)

The new corporate global communitarian governance structure that is king of the world now.

Check this out hotrod:
EVENT 201
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoLw-Q8X174

Everybody should watch this.
The Corona Project is a global corporate coup d’e’tat

You only need to look at this list to know it stinks to high heaven:

…. hosted by The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation ….

ITS ALL BOLLOCKS!

Great post. So True

Indeed, I have worked with PCR testing in another area and whilst they are an extremely useful and powerful technology, they need to be used in conjunction with a full professional assessment of the symptom. They should not be taken as ‘Gospel Truth’ in their own right. The residual RNA scraps from a cured case can trigger a +ve result. So, as it is. the Pillar 2 testing farrago is becoming a Hotel California, ‘you can get cured any time you like but you can can never leave (lock-down).

“what on earth else is there to do”

Hide under your bed, making sure you seal up all windows and doors beforehand.

The fact that the virus has pretty much disappeared in the U.K. with no spikes when lockdown ended suggests we already have herd immunity. So I doubt travelling to Spain will make much difference.

The virus was with us for months before lockdown. It was only when lockdown was imposed that deaths increased above the five year average. It’s a pattern that repeats in many other countries too. As though lockdown has a direct connection to increased deaths.

Currently UK in under the five year average as we were just prior to lockdown.

There’s no virus to bring back!

Is it? What’s the increase in hospitalisations in Spain? Or is it just increased testing means you find more people testing positive?

And did the half term ski trips “start it all last time”? If that is true, we would have seen the beginning of the spike of cases before the end of February, peaking in mid-March. February half term too early to be the start of that.

We don’t mind an increase, just as long as we take the Swedish way of handling it. Keep clam, carry on, never lock down. Although I would doubt an increase is likely, the virus is wiping itself out, if a few cases get imported then the virus within the Uk will still keep trending towards extinction.

It doesn’t make any difference. We’ve already had the epidemic here in the UK. It’s been and gone. There are a few thousand or maybe tens of thousands of cases in the country and will be forever (probably going up a bit each winter and down again in the summer). The virus is endemic in the UK.

There’s no way that our late and half-arsed lockdown followed by ludicrous and widely-ignored “social distancing” and laughable track and tracing effort is what’s keeping the virus at practically undetectable levels. Such measures are certainly able to lower R0 a bit but are a million miles from what you would need to actually suppress or eradicate a respiratory virus.

According to an ONS statistic mentioned here the other day, there are now 3x as many deaths from other viruses as from Covid-19. In their recent Covid-19 Infection Survey, around 20x as many people reported cold or flu-like symptoms as tested positive for Covid-19. If the distancing, masks, etc. are so effective how are people catching these other viruses?

Those other viruses probably are at lower levels than they would be normally– the measures probably are reducing transmission– but if a large percentage of the population were still susceptible to Covid-19 we would be seeing a real second wave. I don’t mean phony outbreaks like in Leicester. I mean hospitalizations and deaths.

Look at Romania on worldometers: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/romania/ . Don’t just look at cases. Scroll down and look at deaths. That’s what it looks like if you had a real lockdown and then relaxed it. Romania isn’t the only place, I’m sure you can find others. I don’t know what their restrictions are but it’s very likely they are still stricter than anything the UK ever imposed.

The UK has very similar seroprevalence levels to Sweden, who also have almost no cases. Seroprevalence is lower than initial estimates of what was required for herd immunity, but we now have actual evidence of cross-immunity from other coronaviruses. Several people have done the math to estimate the effect on herd immunity threshold of pre-existing immunity, and links have been posted here. This, combined with what we know about how rapidly antibody levels drop in mild cases (this is nothing unusual, nothing special about Covid, and does not people are not still immune), means that the measured levels are entirely consistent with the UK having reached herd immunity.

So has Sweden, so has New York, and so have many other places, probably including all of Spain and Italy, although there is a chance the virus has a little way to go still in Catalonia and the south of Italy, we shall see.

Nobody in the UK has anything to fear from this virus and it’s one of the safest places to be right now. There is no reason for the UK to restrict migration from any country on Earth because of Covid-19 or quarantine anybody. It might be worth Iceland or New Zealand doing that, but not the UK.

Covid-19 can be a nasty disease even in younger people, although it is very rarely fatal. All the same I can certainly understand if people want to avoid catching it. In which case the best advice if you are in the UK is just to stay put for a while because your chances of catching it here (if you haven’t already had it) are minimal.

Just ignore it cos its a normal illness, you hysterical fucking boob.

It is a small increase in cases in some part of Spain, most of them could be asymptomatic.
It is unlikely people returning to the UK will be infected.
And also the government could have offered free tests at airport if they are so concerned.

Terrible. It seems as though we’re just yet more acceptable collateral damage to this government, and we’re far from the only ones. Most haven’t even realised it yet.

It feels like each day there is a fresh drama as though events are scripted in sequence like pages of a book.

Yes, the Mammoth Book of Lies.

i think someone in government has loads of cards each with a ridiculous action written on it .. and every so often they shuffle them and pull one out … and suddenly its the new rule

Or something like this:

https://youtu.be/4H-6HTKNgV0

Classic!

great! A must watch

Never thought I’d see the day when the next world war could be fought with withdrawal of tourism as a weapon

Economically it’s a very powerful weapon.

If it’s anything like the “quarantine” you were supposed to have earlier in the year, lots of companies just told their staff to come in.

This is to prevent the realisation that things will be fine if they just go about their business. if they are quarantined and there’s no rise in cases you can say “look the quarantine worked”.

Has this been posted before? It’s very good.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/jeVf8Bq1knk/
July 21. Amazing Polly: Your body is their weapon.

Very thought-provoking. (You can watch at double speed.)

It’s a follow on to her other video about how what governments are doing to us fits the definition of torture according to Amnesty International. Watch that one first! It starts off a bit slow, but OMG is it dead on. Sometimes I feel like I’m the one being hysterical in my reaction to all this since my life is good by all accounts, but when she systematically explains how this is psychological torture I realize I’m not overreacting.