2020-07-27

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65590 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 30, #1 of 1542 🔗

Just seen my neighbour (never said 2 words to them) and her I assume to be daughter leaving, daughter carrying her mask in her hand ready to wear it.

Are people thick?? A mask that is being contaminated by her and getting wet as it’s raining.

I give up.

65599 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to stefarm, 31, #2 of 1542 🔗

Just been to a supermarket…I think I was the only customer not properly masked up…the check out woman was virtually throwing the stuff at me! She seemed v irritated – not just with me but colleagues as well – but wearing a mask as she was for hours on end would do that to you.

65667 ▶▶▶ Richard Dale, replying to OKUK, 15, #3 of 1542 🔗

I’ve not witnessed that myself. Only customer not masked up but no one battered an eye lid.

65674 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richard Dale, 12, #4 of 1542 🔗

Same here, been into several shops over the weekend as the only unmasked customer, no reaction from the zombies, sometimes a knowing smile from the staff (exempt card stayed in-pocket since Friday).

65763 ▶▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Richard Dale, 11, #5 of 1542 🔗

Same here no problems in Tescos

66004 ▶▶▶▶ alw, replying to Richard Dale, 8, #6 of 1542 🔗

Same here. Only two of us in Tesco. The other was masked but had taken off his mask to speak to assistant and left it off. The checkout girl who I know wearing mask but as friendly as ever.

66269 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to OKUK, 7, #7 of 1542 🔗

If they throw stuff at you down the conveyor, I find, do not say anything, but load your bag(s) reeeeaaallly slllllooooowwwly.

They do not like that, and seem to slow down naturally.

66636 ▶▶▶ John Mirra, replying to OKUK, 3, #8 of 1542 🔗

Popped into my local small Tesco today, first time shopping since the mask mandate came into effect, person entering before me had no mask on and a woman and her kids didn’t either.

This store was pretty normal last time I entered but today there were zombies walking around. That’s the only way to describe them. Walking like they were lost, following signs on the ground very surreal. Felt like going back in time to March when the lockdown first happened with the nervousness of people.

I had my headphones in because I didn’t want to bother with people but had to get assistance at the self service (the machines complain about your own bags, alcohol etc) the only staff member who seemed to be at the tills looked over and grinned at me when he had a chance. I have been shopping here multiple times a week for months now (avoiding big stores), and shopped there on and off before hand for a year so I expect he recognized me and found it amusing to see “a regular” being regular among the great confused.
I don’t know if anyone was angry or scared of me as I didn’t really bother looking for it, it’s shopping after all, who cares what the other shoppers think.

65654 ▶▶ Julian, replying to stefarm, 40, #9 of 1542 🔗

Are people thick?” Some people certainly are, but not all. What has happened is that people have gone MAD – they cannot see reality any more, they are delusional. Covid is a belief, not a rational opinion.

65676 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Julian, 6, #10 of 1542 🔗

Well, they don’t have the C of E any more.

65768 ▶▶▶▶ John B, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #11 of 1542 🔗

NHS?

65829 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to John B, 7, #12 of 1542 🔗

Wake up!
Its the CHS!

66300 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, 4, #13 of 1542 🔗

MAD used to mean Mutually Assured Destruction. Maybe it still does.

66246 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to stefarm, 2, #14 of 1542 🔗

Not necessarily thick but likely 1) thinks they’re stupid and pointless and 2) doesn’t want the self appointed coronapolice giving her hassle

66294 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stefarm, 7, #15 of 1542 🔗

A few of us unmuzzled at M&S, plus no staff muzzled at all. Duty manager had to help me as the self check out was being temperemental. No antisocial distancing and he was nice and friendly – it was good stuff.

65594 Gallagher, 4, #16 of 1542 🔗

By insisting shoppers wear face coverings the government has opened the door for the teaching union to have a go.

65595 smileymiley, replying to smileymiley, 42, #17 of 1542 🔗

Back from a quick shop to our nearest Lidl. First time since mask day!
Walked straight in, no one on the door, there were only my wife, myself & 2 others un masked in the shop. Nobody stared at us other than at the checkout when the masked bloke in front kept turning round giving us the evil eye! I just smiled back.
Only one young women, with a floral mask on tried to climb the shelving to get out of our way.
So a pleasant enough trip but we were in the minority.

65600 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to smileymiley, 13, #18 of 1542 🔗

Keep smiling

65602 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Victoria, 23, #19 of 1542 🔗

Because smiling really pisses them off!

65609 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to OKUK, 12, #20 of 1542 🔗

Because smiling is human. It’s becoming a lost art.

65625 ▶▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to Basics, 6, #21 of 1542 🔗

my dog used to smile I’m sure of it

65644 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to anon, 3, #22 of 1542 🔗

Because it is a mammalian reflex. It’s becoming a lost art.

65678 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to anon, 4, #23 of 1542 🔗

With dogs, it’s a warning! Same with some women.

65819 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to James Leary #KBF, #24 of 1542 🔗

My dog smiles, then he bites.

65681 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edna, replying to anon, 1, #25 of 1542 🔗

Our dog gives the biggest grin ever! Whilst wagging his tail madly. But then, the breed is known for it (Dalmatians).

65696 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to anon, 2, #26 of 1542 🔗

Mine too – but sadly it was usually after rolling in fox dung!

65766 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to IanE, #27 of 1542 🔗

Dogs do smile.

66305 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basics, #28 of 1542 🔗

So is conversation, discussion, testing one’s knowledge …

65615 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to smileymiley, 22, #29 of 1542 🔗

They really, really hate it when you smile at them.

We must all live in fear and muzzledom.

65661 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to smileymiley, 17, #30 of 1542 🔗

The ones in the floral masks are THE WORST

66298 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Two-Six, #31 of 1542 🔗

Plus they look miserable as well.

65671 ▶▶ Richard Dale, replying to smileymiley, 18, #32 of 1542 🔗

Thats been my experience too. I went my my Mum on Saturday to Marks and Spencer. Entire shop muzzled but none of the staff. No one said a word. Then we went to Sainsburys. All staff wearing them in there but one or two shoppers not muzzled. I will never wear a muzzle.

65815 ▶▶ Edward, replying to smileymiley, 16, #33 of 1542 🔗

I said this the other day, but it’s worth repeating. In advertising the pictures often show people with happy smiling faces. Generally I’m a bit cynical about advertising, but it shows that a smiling face is a feel-good thing, and suppressing that option is anti-human. Advertising which tries to normalise mask-wearing disgusts me. So stay unmasked and keep smiling, folks!

65822 ▶▶ Bella, replying to smileymiley, 8, #34 of 1542 🔗

The only comfort I take from this is that they are probably wearing them because they have to, not because they choose to. Hence the escalation since last Friday.

65996 ▶▶ annie, replying to smileymiley, 9, #35 of 1542 🔗

Well done, keep it up, WE HAVE FACES.

66308 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #36 of 1542 🔗

Bring back The Small Faces!

66303 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to smileymiley, 2, #37 of 1542 🔗

Maybe they should install one of those vertical climbing walls.

66633 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to smileymiley, 5, #38 of 1542 🔗

Was in the local Co-op yesterday. Three or four masked zombies roaming around and there was just the unmasked me. A very overweight masked shelf stacker was sweating profusely and seemed really pissed off. The unmasked checkout bloke though, was very helpful and totally unphased by my facial nakedness. As I walked out of the shop about a half dozen unmasked teenage girls came in, giggling and chatting loudly as teenage girls should do. That small bit of normality made my day.

68148 ▶▶ Dong, replying to smileymiley, #39 of 1542 🔗

Hope you are pleased with yourself…scaring the regulars! Just hope you are not responsible for a spike!

65598 Riffman, replying to Riffman, 25, #40 of 1542 🔗

Just back from Tenerife..fabulous fortnight worth every second of the government’s timely 2 week prison sentence. Many hundreds of miles and a big ocean from Catalonia. 80-90% of locals muzzled outside as well as in, youngsters are the worst ‘twitchers’ and do gooders reminding me if mine ‘slips’ off my nose 🙄 . Strangely very little distancing, I think they are brain washed into feeling ‘safe’ as they’re muzzled?
Anyway..awful to be home so as soon as paroled will be off somewhere else..’twats’ permitting.

65606 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Riffman, 2, #41 of 1542 🔗

Out of selfish interest, did you see any enforcement of masks outside? Any incidents with other members of the public regarding masks outside?

65617 ▶▶▶ Riffman, replying to Julian, 16, #42 of 1542 🔗

No not really. To confirm we didn’t wear in public outside with not too many bad looks. Got hauled up on a bus by couple of Gestapo, but there were other locals not wearing them who hastily complied! A ‘child’ at checkout in Primark was sterilising himself after each customer 😂 . He pointed at me to raise my muzzle..should have thrown clothes at him but was buying for my good lady! Much worse on mainland and bigger towns I believe. They wouldn’t serve us in hotel unless muzzled, but quite a few staff had then ‘dropped’. It’s just startling and threatening to see EVERYBODY wearing them outside..it’s really unpleasant and unhygienic in 30c!

65657 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Riffman, 6, #43 of 1542 🔗

Thanks for that. Still hoping to get out that way myself later in the year, but I draw the line at wearing masks outside.

66084 ▶▶▶▶▶ Riffman, replying to Julian, 9, #44 of 1542 🔗

One of the saddest sights I saw was an old man, maybe in his 80’s, shuffling along a quiet pavement…he had a muzzle hanging off one ear, and as we approached (giving him distance) he gently raised it to his face, and as I looked round he dropped it again. I wanted to hug him. What the hell have we done to these poor people.

65823 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Riffman, 3, #45 of 1542 🔗

50 years ago Spain was a fascist dictatorship, albeit more benign than some. Do they still have the Civil Guard? – they never stopped being fascists.

66000 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Edward, 2, #46 of 1542 🔗

Compared with the present lot they were teddy bears.

65601 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 39, #47 of 1542 🔗

I note that HMG, having failed to hang the blame on SAGE, or PHE or care homes, are now moving to blame the obese. Hancock: if every overweight person lost 5lbs, it would save the NHS £100m over five years. That’s pocket money Matt, compared with the extraordinary sums you have wasted on track and trace and PPE.

65607 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Bugle, 13, #48 of 1542 🔗

Isn’t it! Like 100m has meaning from mister “I’ve just wioed out 12.5 Billion of NHS because it feels good… you all have to pay and your grand children, but a least I feel good. And now for my next trick…”

They think we are buttoned up the back.

65679 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #49 of 1542 🔗

Update. The figure is actually is £13.4 billion. Cinverted to Government Dividends Capital at 3.5%. Meaning NHS trusts will need to pay dividends to Dept of Health.

65621 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bugle, 25, #50 of 1542 🔗

Hancock is living in a fantasy world! The wearing of masks by more than half of the population will result in a massive increase in illnesses that will cost 10x as much as his supposed saving.

We all need good levels of oxygen to be healthy especially to fight cancer (cancer loves low oxygen bodies).

65635 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Victoria, 16, #51 of 1542 🔗

I agree. Will be interesting to see if there is a spike in lung disease among those obliged to wear masks.

65854 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Victoria, 6, #52 of 1542 🔗

What are Matt Hancock’s medical credentials? Zero?

65623 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Bugle, 12, #53 of 1542 🔗

What fat people in masks don’t realise is that if my breathing is a medical issue then their weight certainly is. They are often happy to be self righteous about mask wearing but would never make any effort to lose a few pounds – something which would much more credibly “save lives” if every fat person in the land did so.

65630 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bugle, 6, #54 of 1542 🔗

There is a real problem with this doubling-down in that it equates the eminently sensible idea that obesity is a major health issue with the fantasy health issues around Covid.

That is what is dangerous.

65648 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 3, #55 of 1542 🔗

It’s also complete b*llocks, as they say not being obese saves money but that isn’t correct as you will most likely live longer so you would need care, maybe treatment for dementia, more pension or other benefits, housing, etc. That £100m soon gets eaten up fast.

65658 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to JohnB, 7, #56 of 1542 🔗

I made that point on the Telegraph, along with the point that if people are taking drugs for diabetes before retirement age they’re probably paying more in prescription charges than the drugs cost, and was accused of giving people an excuse to live unhealthily.

65668 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Andrew Fish, 2, #57 of 1542 🔗

Andrew diabetes is classed as a chronic illness and people with it are exempt from prescription charges.

65690 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #58 of 1542 🔗

Wasn’t aware of that. My wife has a chronic illness (PKD) and doesn’t get her prescription free. Does it matter whether it’s type 1 or 2?

65699 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Andrew Fish, 2, #59 of 1542 🔗

My wife gets free prescriptions.

Info on here:

https://www.nhsbsa.nhs.uk/exemption-certificates/medical-exemption-certificates

Speak to your GPs and they will send the form to you, complete your bit then send it back to GP who will sign it.

65708 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Awkward Git, #60 of 1542 🔗

Wasn’t trying to get a free prescription for ourselves (we can afford to pay) – it just surprised me that one chronic condition would be elligible and another not. According to the asthma society you can’t get that prescription free unless you’re already entitled to free prescriptions. I wonder what the rationale is?

65729 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Andrew Fish, 3, #61 of 1542 🔗

There is no real rationale, it’s put together by a bureaucrat or committee.

I don’t get much for the taxes and NI paid over the past 40 years so I make a point of applying just in case or claiming if eligible regardless even if I have the ability to pay myself or not as a matter of principle – as an example I don’t qualify for any coronavirus assistance schemes so screwed but they still want my tax in full this year or else even though I’m a laid-off key-worker.

You can also do prescription pre-payment which brings the cost down instead:

https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/help-with-health-costs/save-money-with-a-prescription-prepayment-certificate-ppc/

65739 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Awkward Git, #62 of 1542 🔗

All very helpful, thanks.

65714 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Montag Smith, replying to Andrew Fish, 2, #63 of 1542 🔗

Here’s the exemptions:

  • a permanent fistula (for example, caecostomy, colostomy, laryngostomy or ileostomy) which needs continuous surgical dressing or an appliance
  • a form of hypoadrenalism (for example, Addison’s Disease) for which specific substitution therapy is essential
  • diabetes insipidus and other forms of hypopituitarism
  • diabetes mellitus, except where treatment is by diet alone
  • hypoparathyroidism
  • myasthenia gravis
  • myxoedema (that is, hypothyroidism which needs thyroid hormone replacement)
  • epilepsy which needs continuous anticonvulsive therapy
  • a continuing physical disability which means you cannot go out without the help of another person
  • cancer and are undergoing treatment for either:
  • cancer
  • the effects of cancer
  • the effects of cancer treatment
65707 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to RickH, 1, #64 of 1542 🔗

Agreed.

65849 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bugle, #65 of 1542 🔗

What was the amount? 18 Billion?

65604 David Mc, replying to David Mc, 40, #66 of 1542 🔗

A report from the field. I visited my local Tesco (other supermarkets are available), big garden centre, and Hobbycraft (other hobby shops are available) over the weekend.

Didn’t wear a mask. Tesco was fine – just walked in and did shopping as normal. I would say I saw about a dozen unmasked people. Garden centre was also fine, and I even had a nice chat with the woman at the counter who said she thought masks were pointless but was forced to wear one by her boss.

Hobbycraft were insistent on masks and there was also a queue to get in still (why??), so I we didn’t give them our custom.

One observation: masks make the atmosphere funereal. This will kill shops almost for good. I expect when there is eventually a pushback (which there will be) it will actually be from retailers.

65612 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to David Mc, 31, #67 of 1542 🔗

Yes unless retailers start pushing back it will be the end of them.

I also feel very sorry for retail staff that are forced to wear masks. Why, especially as they do not have to?

Do these retailers understand that it is harmful (physical and mental) to their employees? It will lead to excess staff being off sick and a total collapse of goodwill to the employer.

65656 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Victoria, 37, #68 of 1542 🔗

I had a fairly long argument on social media with someone I was at school with yesterday. He’s now running a small shop and had posted an attack on people who were entering his shop without masks. I made the simple point that some of those people might have exemptions and he just wasn’t having it – from a starting position of expecting the disabled to have to broadcast their problems to the world he ended up arguing that if everybody followed the rules he wouldn’t have to assume that anybody who wasn’t wearing a mask wasn’t following the rules.

With the people commenting on newspapers who seem to be pushing this not as a temporary measure but a permanent change (after all, people wear them in Asia), I’m seriously worried that people with hidden disabilities are going to be othered in our society. Already, Boris has gone from claiming we’d be back to normal in November to still wearing masks next summer. When does this madness end and how much damage is it doing to the social fabric while it continues?

65721 ▶▶▶▶ Montag Smith, replying to Andrew Fish, 13, #69 of 1542 🔗

They don’t care about the damage because it’s all about politics. If govts really took their responsibilities seriously then the NHS would have been better prepared with some form of fever hospitals. After all, the probability of a pandemic is always 100% (the only question is when and the type of pathogen) and a pandemic is a top threat to national security according to the govt.

65832 ▶▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Montag Smith, 17, #70 of 1542 🔗

The only thing we have to be genuinely thankful for is that this thing isn’t a genuine pandemic. If we had more bubonic plague and less common cold, then we’d really have a situation on our hands.
Having said that, we wouldn’t be going insane because people’s fear would be justified.

65861 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Farinances, 4, #71 of 1542 🔗

History is written after the event by the victors who wish to use it as a basis from which to continue to maintain control.
Whatever the actual causes of what fear interprets and magnifies, it is the fear-mind that is contagious and this was no less true ‘back in those days’.

66005 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Binra, 6, #72 of 1542 🔗

So we keep on resisting and don’t give in and WE will write the history and it will be the TRUTH.

66373 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Montag Smith, 3, #73 of 1542 🔗

But there wasn’t a pandemic!

65848 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Andrew Fish, 6, #74 of 1542 🔗

Have a browse of the World Economic Forum.
Its not a bug – its a feature – indeed a meticulously planned future.

66393 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Andrew Fish, 7, #75 of 1542 🔗

I wonder how many of these pro-mask people are really prepared to wear one all the time for the rest of their lives. I guess we’re all different, but I’d have thought that would be very firmly in the weird fetish category, and even then most people with weird fetishes don’t indulge them all the time.

65614 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to David Mc, 23, #76 of 1542 🔗

Me too. Give them a few weeks to realise their takings are even worse than they were before they brought it in.

66384 ▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Farinances, 8, #77 of 1542 🔗

Yes, doing my best to give no money to big shops.
I bought all food before mask day, and now will try and buy the bulk from markets, farms and small shopkeepers. The ‘Before’ and ‘After’ mask day should show a big decline in store profits – this should put pressure on the government to rapidly u-turn.
However, still pop into stores frequently just to browse, or buy a bag of sweets, just to show my handsome unmasked face to the idiots, and give courage to the dissenters.
Keep smiling.

65634 ▶▶ RickH, replying to David Mc, 8, #78 of 1542 🔗

It is to be hoped (for once) that national corporate money will outweigh the pressure from global capital at the root of this disaster.

65605 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 8, #79 of 1542 🔗

Anxious about going to the shops because you are told you have to wear a mask?

If so watch this video from Carl Vernon:

https://youtu.be/WMexQjzjYTg

65610 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #80 of 1542 🔗

Its hilarious

65642 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 1, #81 of 1542 🔗

Yes, I love his dry humour.

65632 ▶▶ anon, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #82 of 1542 🔗

he’s a good chap our Carl

enjoyed his live stream last night – needed cheering up and it certainty cut the mustard

65702 ▶▶ Mike Smith, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #83 of 1542 🔗

Good video, but I don’t get why people find it funny.

65734 ▶▶ microdave, replying to Dave #KBF, 39, #84 of 1542 🔗

Anxious about going to the shops?

To be perfectly frank…Yes.

Since this horrendous requirement was introduced I have been suffering mental battles over whether to “Brave” the Zombies or bottle out and wear one – even though I will definitely NOT cover my nose with it. I don’t think I’ve ever been particularly risk averse – I rode motorbikes for 25 years, and set off (on my own) for a holiday “Down Under” despite having never set foot on a commercial airliner before. I also worked “aloft” for over 20 years, but I’ve not suffered anxiety like this in all my 60+ years.

I do occasionally wear a mask for jobs I do, but that’s my choice (and appropriate given the environment). But the sight of hundreds of brain dead muzzle wearers, and the risk of confrontation, makes me feel really uneasy. As others have said, I just want to get on with my life, and resent being treated as some kind of diseased nut-job. I fear that if such a situation arose I would likely lose the plot (verbally, if not physically), and probably get thrown out and possibly banned.

Considering my fragile mental state, wearing an exemption card is an option, but don’t want to feel like a fraud rather than someone making use of the rules. I could use online shopping for everyday items, but having a “browse” while walking round is part of the experience, and even a few words with the checkout operators is beneficial when you live on your own.

What the hell has this country become?

65748 ▶▶▶ Montag Smith, replying to microdave, 14, #85 of 1542 🔗

You aren’t a fraud. The govt exemptions give anyone a get out from wearing a mask if it causes them distress.

65906 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Montag Smith, 5, #86 of 1542 🔗

The government card doesn’t even say why you’re not wearing a mask, it just says ‘I am exempt’.

I would just print one out and keep it in a pocket. Nobody, by law, is allowed to ask you why you are not wearing a mask; just tell any shop staff who asks you you’re exempt and that’s:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/903453/Exemption_from_face_covering_badge_to_print.pdf

‘Some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign.

This is a personal choice, and is not necessary in law.

If you would like to use an exemption card you can use the PDF attachments on this page.

Those who have an age, health or disability reason to not wear a face covering should not be routinely asked to provide any written evidence of this. Written evidence includes exemption cards.’

68997 ▶▶▶▶ Mrs Two-Six, replying to Montag Smith, #87 of 1542 🔗

I have an exemption card which I think is good to have just in case but my experience on the two occasions that I went into the shop was that no one was bothered! Might not bother even taking the card with me and if the need arises just say ‘exempt’. It was depressing today, I sat in town and watched sooo many people walking around in masks. It’s a beautiful day, what is wrong with people?

65749 ▶▶▶ Mike Smith, replying to microdave, 15, #88 of 1542 🔗

Personally I think you end up believing what you do. If you decide for whatever reason to wear a mask you will end up believing what you need to believe in order to carry on wearing it without all the stress. I plan to say that there is no scientific evidence that masks work, that the virus has almost gone, that if we wear masks in shops the next thing will be masks in the open air (eg Spain) and also possibly gloves.

Also that it gives a terrible example to young people to teach them to be so afraid all the time.

If you know what you’re going to say in detail before you set out then you can just keep calm and say it if challenged.

Or you can say you’re exempt because it causes you “severe distress”. Nothing in the legislation about having to prove it. But I think you will be be less stressed by sticking to your guns.

65790 ▶▶▶▶ Mike Smith, replying to Mike Smith, 8, #89 of 1542 🔗

Jordan Peterson talks about anxiety. Basically, if we avoid situations that make us anxious we will get more anxious. We have to confront them, and the way to do that is bit by bit – slowly.

This is a good one of his, but I don’t think it has the bit by bit section. I can’t find that at the moment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijdr4eJcdHQ

69003 ▶▶▶▶ Mrs Two-Six, replying to Mike Smith, #90 of 1542 🔗

I agree. In my case I knew if I didn’t do it (go in bare face) I would feel like I had let myself down and then it would weigh on me until I actually did it.

65773 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to microdave, 14, #91 of 1542 🔗

Dave, I would suggest some “de-sentising” first, try a small shop, a friendly local late at night. Then work up, a big busy supermarket is level 6 bare-face.
Honestly the shop staff 100% will not give you any problems. The sheeple just ignore you, it blows their minds that you are unmasked. They want you to just disappear. You almost go invisible to them.
You don’t have to justify your self to anybody, you are exempt. End of story. Everybody is.
Don’t worry, it’s bad but not as bad as you are building it up to be.

65981 ▶▶▶ Wickwar Bob, replying to microdave, 14, #92 of 1542 🔗

I’m with you microdave. I feel the same. I really don’t want to wear a mask, but I’m a non-confontational person and I don’t relish the prospect of being verbally abused in public. As a sceptic and a contrarian, I’ve been able to go against the flow in my own quiet way until now. But this is a real challenge.

I also take your point about the browsing experience. I live alone too, and sometimes a friendly chat with a checkout operator can make your day – as sad as that sounds!

So I’m weighing up my options. Do I reduce my opportunities for (albeit masked) social interaction even more and just shop online?

God, what a nightmare.

At least I’ve got the pub, even if I have to tolerate its ridiculous one-way system (which in a small act of resitance I have managed to flout a couple of times without incident!).

65993 ▶▶▶▶ Cody, replying to Wickwar Bob, 4, #93 of 1542 🔗

To both you and microdave;As a way of getting around the mask wearing but still being able to have some social interaction,you could try using click and collect. Order online,no hassle with queues or anyone giving you daggers and you can have a civilised chat in the fresh air with the supermarket staff.At least that way you’re sticking to your principles without any confrontation.

66141 ▶▶▶▶ Mike Smith, replying to Wickwar Bob, 3, #94 of 1542 🔗

You might also be able to strike up a conversation with other unmasked strangers in the supermarket. That’s my intention. I don’t think normal reticence will apply at the moment!

66170 ▶▶▶ Gtec, replying to microdave, 5, #95 of 1542 🔗

Feel very similar to yourself; it is extremely unpleasant anticipating a possible confrontation and a real source of anxiety to do so – and over something so pointless.

Not an easy option, though unless we show our opposition, we will just get more of the same, and this nonsense will never end; it seems too many love controlling us to give it up!

66625 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Gtec, 1, #96 of 1542 🔗

From my recent experience there is no need to fear confrontation. Remember the purpose of a muzzle, it works especially on the sheep.

66273 ▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to microdave, 9, #97 of 1542 🔗

Gosh, I’m so glad I found this little pocket of a thread today!

I feel almost identical to MicroDave’s sentiments and other commenters.

My mental stress and anxiety levels have started to manifest themselves physically now – I’m slightly trembling typing this.

My day is generally shot before noon now, as I contemplate with rising fear and bile my responses to the increasingly non-sensible, ever-changing government arbitrary government diktat.

I have always shy-ed away from confrontation, and it’s a difficult, core trait to suddenly abandon.

But I have to try.

As others’ have said, I’ll attempt an approach of desensitisation first. I’ll pop into my small, local Co-op which is friendly and I know the staff there by face, if not name as well. I’ll carry my lanyard but I don’t expect to get it out, and I’ll mention to anyone who directly asks me that I have an exemption and promptly walk away, depending on the situation. And I’ll smile and make eye contact as much as possible.

We’ll see. I also have a scarf, snood and ski neck warmer which I can wear come the colder months, if need be.

How bloody stupid is it to be contemplating this possibility existing into the winter, and my ridiculous train of thought in response; so high is my state of anxiety. What. The. Fuck.

Good luck, from one fellow Dave to another 🙂

Cheers

66687 ▶▶▶ John Mirra, replying to microdave, 1, #98 of 1542 🔗

30 years your junior and you have summed up how I feel to a tee.
I live on my own too and it has played havoc with my own mental state.

68994 ▶▶▶ Mrs Two-Six, replying to microdave, #99 of 1542 🔗

Hi microdave, I can identify completely with the emotions you are going through re ‘to wear or not to wear’. I too had a similar experience on Monday. Was not planning to do any shopping, ever, whilst the abhorrent face mask measures are in place (like you online is what I will be doing) but the need to pop into the local pharmacy (Superdrug) arose. I walked into town after work on Monday and was feeling a mixture of doubt, nerves, anxiety, lunacy, -do I wear a scarf or not – actually started giggling out loud such was my nervousness. Decided that I would feel bad if I didn’t just go in bare face and so went for it. It was quite quiet, about 3.30pm/4pm, said hello to a member of staff (who was not in mask) and was dealt with by pharmacist – no problems, neither of them said anything. Came out elated…except I had to go back the next day as the medication was not in stock! Felt even more nervous the second time as it was really busy, Tuesday lunchtime. Followed an unmasked man in and again it was fine. Phew. Not something I am going to be doing that often – fortunately I have never got the shopping for leisure thing. It is scary, I hate confrontation and the thought of someone having a go freaks me out.

66338 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #100 of 1542 🔗

Great video. Should be circulated more widely.

65611 Farinances, 17, #101 of 1542 🔗

“Apparently, the Government developed the [vaccine] “at such pace and scale” that [citizens’ rights and protections] were not a primary focus.”

Replace the words and it gets scary.

65613 matt, 27, #102 of 1542 🔗

Quick trip out to the greengrocer and the dog food shop this morning.

Greengrocer “do you have a mask, buddy”?
Me “I can’t wear one” (pretty much true, though ‘principles and standards’ aren’t strictly included in the official list of exemptions)
Greengrocer: “no problem”
NB – I’ve been shopping there for 15 years. Otherwise I’d object to “buddy” but it’s fine.

Dog food shop – nobody said a word about me being unmasked. I did actually _need_ to get dog food as we’d completely run out and I didn’t realise we had until yesterday. My dog has had a raw food diet since he was tiny, which isn’t always easy to buy, so if I’d ended up having to leave empty handed, the only alternative would have been Pets at Home, which I’ve been boycotting since long before the corona nonsense, so phew.

Amusing anecdote though – the two young guys in the shop floor were both wearing masks. The one serving me pulled down his mask to shout to his colleague across the floor that the customer before me needed help carrying stuff to his car. Protecting me, you see.

65618 RDJ, 2, #103 of 1542 🔗

What an absolute tool Patrick Roache General Secretary of NASUWT is for suggesting that masks are worn in school. Have just sent Him an email expressing my annoyance. So so annoyed.

65620 Montag Smith, replying to Montag Smith, 62, #104 of 1542 🔗

Face masks were made mandatory on public transport from June 15th. Between then and July 23rd most people didn’t wear a mask in shops, but now the govt has mandated them some people think that anyone not wearing one is some kind of selfish Typhoid Mary. If they believe masks are so necessary then why didn’t they wear one before?

This country, and the rest of the world, continues to descend into ever weirder mass neuroses with previously sane people suddenly showing moral outrage at others doing something they were also doing up until now.

All this nonsense is strengthening my misanthropic streak.

65622 ▶▶ David Mc, replying to Montag Smith, 45, #105 of 1542 🔗

Just after the announcement was made that masks would be made mandatory in shops, I was at a shop behind a couple in the queue. They were having a chat with the girl at the till, and I was listening in. I heard the man say “They should have been made mandatory a long time ago if you ask me!” while his wife nodded sagely along. But, the thing was….. none of these people were wearing masks.

It was all I could do to stop myself tapping him on the shoulder and saying, “What is going on inside your brain? If masks are so brilliant and making them compulsory is a wonderful idea, why aren’t you wearing one?”

65662 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to David Mc, 31, #106 of 1542 🔗

I think I would have tapped him on the shoulder and said “if they are so bloody wonderful and you are so smart you could have worn one voluntarily before now, it wasn’t illegal”.

I hate sanctimonious wankers like that.

65733 ▶▶ peter, replying to Montag Smith, 2, #107 of 1542 🔗

Misanthropy is the plan so when the vaccine murders millions we will laugh in relief at all the Karen’s killed.

66012 ▶▶▶ Pum100, replying to peter, 2, #108 of 1542 🔗

Peter, please stop using my name in this way. My parents chose to call me Karen in 1963 and I cringe every time I see comments like yours. I dislike masks, and everything about this new rule, and visit these pages for the same reason you do.

66405 ▶▶ steve, replying to Montag Smith, 2, #109 of 1542 🔗

A 45 min video on Facebook.

A load of doctors in the US ranting about the political fear stored up over CV.
Better watch it before it gets removed!

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1376146442759558&id=95475020353&sfnsn=scwspwa&extid=zXus6YYjDPsnMn5G&d=w&vh=e

65624 Simon Dutton, replying to Simon Dutton, 5, #110 of 1542 🔗

‘Angry holidaymakers vent over new 14 day quarantine rule for Spain‘ – Poor buggers

Yes, but GRANT SHAPPS is among them, so there is that consolation.

65629 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Simon Dutton, 3, #111 of 1542 🔗

No, politicians are exempt form quarantine

65636 ▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Victoria, 1, #112 of 1542 🔗

O really? Drat!

65638 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Victoria, 3, #113 of 1542 🔗

waaaaat?

65655 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to anon, 3, #114 of 1542 🔗

C’mon think it through. You are corona virus, would you choose to crawl all over a politician, especially a sweaty one freshly back from a hot country. The point resteth there. Proof politicians are the lowest form of life.

65718 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Simon Dutton, 9, #115 of 1542 🔗

Could this be a political stunt? Even if Grant Shapps has to quarantine it is hardly an imposition as he can work from home with no possibility of loss of pay. But it gives the impression of MPs being caught up in the effects of government diktats (ie. we are all in it together).

Others in Spain are less lucky and may return to loss of pay if they have to stay home for 14 days.

As some holidays are cheaper in Spain than the UK (from what I can see) this directly impacts many who are lower income earners and may have been working right through the crisis (eg. NHS, supermarket, delivery workers) and in need of a holiday.

65791 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Ozzie, 2, #116 of 1542 🔗

Of course it is a political stunt…

65627 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 19, #117 of 1542 🔗

It has frequently been observed that terror can rule absolutely only over people who are isolated against each other and that therefore one of the primary concerns of tyrannical government is to bring this isolation about. Isolation may be the beginning of terror; it certainly is its most fertile ground; it always is its result. This isolation is, as it were, pretotalitarian; its hallmark is impotence insofar as power always comes from people acting together, acting in concert; isolated people are powerless by definition.

— Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism —

https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/27/the-ultimate-divide-and-conquer/

65641 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Victoria, #118 of 1542 🔗

It is also interesting that a tenet of totalitarianism is a charismatic leader .

67615 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Nsklent, #119 of 1542 🔗

Well we don’t have one of them.

66008 ▶▶ annie, replying to Victoria, 3, #120 of 1542 🔗

Well, thanks be to God, we are not isolated. We have one another. We know sanity exists, and what it is.

65631 Mark, replying to Mark, 15, #121 of 1542 🔗

The General Secretary of the National Union of Bed-Wetters – I mean, the NASUWT – has called for face coverings to be mandatory in schools and colleges.

Let’s just remind ourselves here that this coronapanic is, we are told by fellow sceptics here, a “far right” agenda pushed on us by some apparently “far right” people secretly running the government (contrary to all the appearances that make them look like a bunch of snivelling, NHS-worshipping apologists to woke political correctness).

So let’s look at this particular pusher of this “far right” agenda: NASUWT leader Patrick Roach. A former “equal opportunities officer” (surprise, surprise), teacher of politics and sociology to 16- to 19-year-old students in FE colleges, and university lecturer on social policy issues, with a PhD in sociology . All well known hotbeds of fascism and breeding grounds for far right ideology.

Let me guess: he’s an MI5 plant? A (very enthusiastic) dupe for the fascists on this issue?

Or perhaps, just perhaps, the coronapanic that’s been and continues to be so enthusiastically pushed by the lefties at the Guardian and BBC, is actually not a “far right” agenda at all, and this supposedly “Conservative” government are actually just the bunch of bumbling, panicking soft left incompetents and hysterics that they appear to be.

65647 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, -8, #122 of 1542 🔗

Is it an effect of CoranaPanic that rationality goes out the window.

You don’t have to pamper complicit idiots running unions to know that this is – pure and simple – a TORY disaster, perpetrated by a right-wing TORY government, under a lying psychopathic TORY leader, elected by TORY Party members to his position.

Anything else is as big a distortion as the evidence suggesting that masks are a good idea.

Get real.;

65663 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 11, #123 of 1542 🔗

Yes, yes, all those complicit lefties in the trade unions, at the Guardian, the BBC, the Independent and all the other lefty publications vigorously pushing the fear agenda, all those Democrat Trump-haters in the US, all those establishment “long march through the institutions” types such as the Lancet editor Richard “Extinction Rebellion” Horton, and the hordes of “woke” social media coronapanickers – they’ve all been fooled by those sneaky government fascists.

My issue is not with the suggestion that this “Conservative” government has full leadership responsibility for the catastrophic decisions they’ve taken and for all the consequences. I think I’ve made that pretty clear, repeatedly. My issue is with this grossly implausible idea that the drive for it is coming from some secret “far right” government faction. That is, frankly, pretty stupid.

65670 ▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Mark, 8, #124 of 1542 🔗

Yes indeed. Pretty sure all the BLM protestor would have been arrested on the spot if this gvt. was in any way fascist.
I mean they are. But not in any traditional sense of the word.

65693 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Farinances, 3, #125 of 1542 🔗

Damned sure no “far right” government would have let senior policemen “take the knee” to such nonsense.

Fascist in the limited and apolitical sense of authoritarian, perhaps. Or in the way juvenile lefties have for generations now slung the term at anyone whose politics they disagree with even slightly.

The thing is, to some extent I’d actually be reassured if I thought there were any truth at all in these rather silly claims. At least it would indicate a so far unimaginable level of actual basic competence, self discipline and moral fortitude in some individuals involved in government, and hold out the potential for some kind of long term plan to roll back the woke political correctness nonsense. Since the left has abandoned even a pretence at protecting dissent and freedom of speech in exchange for the evil rationalisation that is “hate speech”, I am forced to take seriously now the issue of whether the authoritarian right might actually be the least bad option, out of those available.

65740 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, 1, #126 of 1542 🔗

Johnson the Marxist. Another Covid delirium?

65747 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 1, #127 of 1542 🔗

No more delirious than people who believe Anthony Blair was “right wing”.

65800 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 3, #128 of 1542 🔗

Did someone call Johnson a “Marxist”? I certainly didn’t – but you knew that.

I did call him what he is – soft left, which is the correct term for someone who is so obviously in favour of collectivised healthcare, welfarism, political correctness in all the various forms still funded and promoted by the government he runs, and all the rest of the stuff imposed by the left through the long C20th and enthusiastically adopted by the hierarchy of the “Conservative” Party.

65736 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, 2, #129 of 1542 🔗

Nothing ‘secret’. My simple point is that *here and now* it’s coming from the right wing Tory government, via the will of the Tory Party.

Just a fact. But, hey-ho, a government run by the irresponsible Johnson and a Party that has been in power for a decade has to have some excuse, I suppose.

You won’t find me gullibly excusing obvious culprits who I might nominally agree with on some issues.And apologias for totalitarian behaviour *are* about excusing it and being complicit.

And …beyond poor ickle victim Mr Toad …. if not ‘the far right’ – where in general is this monstrosity coming from? Left wing global capital represented by Big Pharma? Or marxist Big Data? Do tell – I’m interested in sophistry.

65744 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mark, 11, #130 of 1542 🔗

Quite. Labour and the LibDems wanted a harder lockdown, earlier. Every bit as complicit in the disaster as the Conservatives. The *entire* establishment, whether of left or right or centre, is equally guilty. No hiding place for them.

65666 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to RickH, 5, #131 of 1542 🔗

I think you’re spending too much time in this vile far-right nest of Tory vipers.

Funny that you’re here instead of on one of your favourite ‘Left-Wing’ sites, isn’t it?

65745 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Farinances, #132 of 1542 🔗

I’m just intrigued by the sophistry going on here, and not much interested in anything aimed at excusing the obvious culprits for the current authoritarian regime because of party political; loyalties – let alone the right wing one actually in power.

66037 ▶▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to RickH, 3, #133 of 1542 🔗

In case you haven’t been reading very well- nobody is excusing anyone for anything here.

66647 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RickH, #134 of 1542 🔗

So why has government reaction to coronovirus been variations of the same thing all over the world from ‘liberal democracies’, Corporate Communists, gangster kleptocracies, religious dictatorships to absolute monarchies ?

65692 ▶▶ PowerCorrupts, replying to Mark, 4, #135 of 1542 🔗

Looks like globalist totalitarianism. Big pharma, big tech (working together with government & their ‘Health Passport’ tracking/surveillance, the state combining with multinational corporations, call it communism, call it fascism, the end result is the same: crush the individual

66425 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PowerCorrupts, 2, #136 of 1542 🔗

I agree. Waste of time arguing left and right about it. It’s much bigger than that and totalitarian whichever way it leans.

66660 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PowerCorrupts, #137 of 1542 🔗

Is Soft Totalitarianism a thing ? How about Totalitarianism By Consent ? Dunno but maybe that’s the plan.

65836 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Mark, 4, #138 of 1542 🔗

They’re not left, they’re not right, they’re just bloody idiots.

66039 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Edward, 3, #139 of 1542 🔗

Exactly they’re neither and that’s a big part of the problem.

65633 Steve Hayes, 20, #140 of 1542 🔗

The article in the Standard referred to in the Round Up section carries an advertisement for face masks from a company called Smug, which is beyond satire.

65637 Victoria, 13, #141 of 1542 🔗

Our bodies need oxygen to thrive. Masks not good

65640 Victoria, 17, #142 of 1542 🔗

Dropped car off at garage this morning. Customer infront of me donning a mask before entering (from his pocket) looking very uncomfortable. I obviously entered without a mask and so were the friendly staff. No signs at the door and there won’t be any in future.

65645 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #143 of 1542 🔗

£100 million over 5 years if each of us fatties lose 5 lbs. Is he joking?

To save a lot more than an accounting rounding error of £20 million year all he has to do is get rid of the known incompetents:

http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/gp-topics/legal/cost-of-nhs-clinical-negligence-payouts-continues-to-soar/20037086.article

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51180944

and this was 2 years ago so now it’s more than £2.3 billion a year for negligence payouts plus legal fees

And I know it’s the Daily Mirror:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-sets-aside-56-billion-8481673

65649 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #144 of 1542 🔗

What’s £100million these days anyway…. 1 additional day of locking down an entire region?

65659 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mark II, 11, #145 of 1542 🔗

Bored so number crunching.

Estimated NHS budget for 2019/20 before the pandemic was £134 billion.

https://fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/

£20 million is equal to 38 minutes of NHS budget.

If I was him I wouldn’t bother annoying us anymore.

Probably took him longer to get ready for his announcement.

65887 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #146 of 1542 🔗

Quebec’s annual health budget is over $40 billion Canadian dollars a year. Its population is 7 times smaller (8,500 million) than Great Britain.

66686 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #147 of 1542 🔗

Eliminate Public Health England, save 4 billion.

65650 NonCompliant, 1, #148 of 1542 🔗

I’ve been thinking about the mask wearing from another angle.

I’ve ordered a military grade gas mask. Once I’ve test drove it in the home to ensure I don’t die from crabon monoxide poisoing i’m gonna pick up a T-Shirt with ‘Biohazard’ emblazened on the front and stitch on some Biohazard badges on the sleeves etc.

I’m on the lookout for some ‘elderly crossing’ road sign stickers so I can stick a few on my back to be displayed as confirmed kills like the RAF used to do in WWII.

Last up, to complete the effect, I’m gonna pick up a red, revovling emergency light to strap on my head.

It’s not like any bed wetters can pull me up for not taking it seriously is it? Will probably have to attach the light when i’m passed the poor security guy though lol.

65652 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 19, #149 of 1542 🔗

Mrs Biggles had an unfortunate incident yesterday at the local Sainsbury’s. Although a sceptic, she now has a mask for the supermarket shop but hadn’t put it on when getting a trolley. Another woman wearing a homemade mask came up really close and glared at her. No attempt at social distancing and all very intimidatory. How long before someone gets assaulted because of this ridiculous ruling?

65665 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Biggles, 9, #150 of 1542 🔗

How long before someone gets assaulted because of this ridiculous ruling ?”

Already happened on day one , apparently. Well done, Johnson.

65726 ▶▶ Montag Smith, replying to Biggles, 11, #151 of 1542 🔗

Also, how long until someone with glasses has an accident because the mask caused their glasses to steam up?

65914 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Montag Smith, 15, #152 of 1542 🔗

Who cares?!
We are living in times and countries where 1 person who died with Covid is apparently worth to society as much as 100 people who died of cancer, and as much as 10.000 people who died of hunger.

65664 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #153 of 1542 🔗

MHRA has apparently cut short the clinical trial requirements etc for covid-19 related trials:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/clinical-trials-applications-for-coronavirus-covid-19

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mhra-regulatory-flexibilities-resulting-from-coronavirus-covid-19

So that’s alright then, can be fast tracked through but it’s still safe(ish).

65683 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #154 of 1542 🔗

The UK government has, like many other governments, shown a lamentable inability to understand science and has thereby been unable to work with the science to establish a balanced sensible policy. With this vaccine they are like Harry Potter looking for a magic potion that will solve all our problems. The governments actions over recent months have shot their credibility to pieces and so it will not be surprising if there is some skepticism about this vaccine, if it comes into use.
Flu vaccines have a checkered history and we have never had a vaccine for the common cold, so you would be right to wonder if this vaccine is effective and if it is worth the risk for Coronavirus unless you are in a very vulnerable category. Even then I am a pensioner and thus vulnerable and I will take some convincing!

65688 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #155 of 1542 🔗

One might also point out that if you are in a very vulnerable category for covid, you are, a fortiori, in a very vulnerable category to any downside side effects of any early-released vaccine! I foresee a very major global medical scandal in the making.

66443 ▶▶▶▶ Catherine123, replying to IanE, #156 of 1542 🔗

History might repeat … google swine flu 1976 vaccine 60 minutes.

65697 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #157 of 1542 🔗

The UK government has, like many other governments, shown a lamentable inability to understand science ” Possibly at the start, they didn’t court opinion widely enough. Now they just don’t care about science.

65705 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #158 of 1542 🔗

If it goes wrong it could be another cause of their undoing.

65738 ▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to DRW, 5, #159 of 1542 🔗

It will be much harder to hide this time as well. It’s easier to hide the mistake of lockdown by ratcheting up the fear and measures to make it look justified, but if there ever was such a medical scandal it would surely be the largest in history (if they really do want to vaccinate a massive portion of the world population with an experimental vaccine) and impossible to avoid blame for millions if not billions of vaccine-damaged people.

65759 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Poppy, 1, #160 of 1542 🔗

Indeed, they all seem to me like high rolling gamblers on an unbelivable streak. Aside from the ran-up debts (furlough, NHS backlog deaths etc.) going ‘all in’ on this collosal bet might be one too many.

66674 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Poppy, #161 of 1542 🔗

Could the Vaccine Mongers include a Corporate non liability clause against side-effects for the slush they provide?

65711 ▶▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #162 of 1542 🔗

My mum is 74 and refuses the flu vaccine every year. She’s against this wonderous new vaccine too.

65786 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to ambwozere, 2, #163 of 1542 🔗

Good for her.

65715 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #164 of 1542 🔗

I am a pensioner and thus vulnerable and I will take some convincing!”

I would hope so : it at least proves that your brain is functioning and that it’s not clinically dead like that of a large proportion of the population.

65720 ▶▶ Drawde927, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #165 of 1542 🔗

It’s surreal that, having taken “safetyism” and the precautionary principle to the extreme with Covid-19, to the exclusion of any other short- and long-term risks, society seems to have thrown any concept of risk and caution out of the window when it comes to the vaccine.

Having read the article on the 2009 swine flu panic ( https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/reconstruction-of-a-mass-hysteria-the-swine-flu-panic-of-2009-a-682613.html ) I have an uncomfortable feeling that “big pharma” may be behind the whole “the vaccine is the only way out of this” narrative. This is getting uncomfortably close to conspiracy theory for me, but it is a worrying plausible theory, based on the straightforward factors of money and greed.

65727 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Drawde927, 4, #166 of 1542 🔗

It’d argue that’s not conspiracy, just huge political/financial investment and vested interests.

65770 ▶▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to DRW, 7, #167 of 1542 🔗

This comment suggests the WHO’s recommendation of masks was influenced by “political lobbying”: https://twitter.com/Tolstoy36538752/status/1287474574918025223/photo/2

It seems disturbingly plausible that the sudden push for mask-wearing in so many countries, is an attempt by “big pharma” to maintain the fear and abnormality until a vaccine is available by the end of the year, via lobbying/string-pulling in the WHO and possibly national governments.

In this case I wonder if money might also be a factor in so much of the media immediately and unquestioningly becoming pro-mask, as well as not asking awkward questions about the safety and efficacy of the vaccine.

65814 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Drawde927, 3, #168 of 1542 🔗

I agree with this but big pharma/WHO/govt corruption is no secret, probably seen as “just business”.

66353 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to DRW, #169 of 1542 🔗

But they don’t don’t talk to each other ?!

65735 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Drawde927, 5, #170 of 1542 🔗

That’s the only thing which explains the volte-face from SAGE. When the lockdown started some of them aligned their financial interests so that now any lifting of the panic is a threat to them. I don’t think the Government themselves are involved, but with the way they have been “captured” by one group of experts they are basically serving their wishes. That’s why they were shocked by the representations from the hospitality industry about potential job losses and why they were thrown by the CEBM’s report on statistical deaths (which they didn’t even notice until the newspapers picked it up).

65669 RDawg, replying to RDawg, 8, #171 of 1542 🔗

Just ordered this on eBay. Looks pretty good and plastic/credit card sized.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/402338254095

My plan is to go about my daily activities unmasked and only present the card if challenged.

66018 ▶▶ annie, replying to RDawg, 2, #172 of 1542 🔗

It’s great.
I look to the day when nine out of ten people have one. I suspect that nine out ten people really don’t want fo wear nappies, but dare not resist. . At the moment.

65673 Humanity First, replying to Humanity First, 17, #173 of 1542 🔗

“That’s remarkably similar to your chances of dying in a road traffic accident in the UK – and remember, that’s all ages, so if you just look at under-65 year-olds your chances of dying from COVID-19 are far, far lower than your chances of dying in a road traffic accident, even if you’re morbidly obese.”

knowing the above, which of the following is most the likely explanation for the increasingly ludicrous measures being inflicted on the people of this country?

  1. The government is not aware of the real risk posed to the population by this virus?
  2. They are aware of it but have suddenly developed a overwhelmingly love for the general population, which goes beyond what any over-protective parent would have for their own children, and cannot bear to see a single one of us being exposed to any kind of risk in our lives?
  3. They are ALL mad?
  4. The virus is the best (semi) plausible explanation they could come up with for a pre-agreed global re-engineering/reset of the economy and society?
65680 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to Humanity First, 12, #174 of 1542 🔗

Or 5 – the government see the majority of the population have been terrified by the media and that draconian policies – lockdowns, face masks etc – are popular and make them look like strong leaders who will then be reelected when the time comes. If the majority of other governments are doing the same then it’s easier to do what they do, rather than stick their necks out and do a Sweden.

They can’t lose. If there is no second wave then they can claim it’s because of the strong measures they took. If there is a second wave then they can say – but it would have been much worse if we hadn’t taken all these measures and now we need to take even stronger measures.

So the question isn’t why are they taking all these measures, but why wouldn’t they?

65695 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to The Spingler, 7, #175 of 1542 🔗

3 and 5. People are mad and the government are taking advantage (having helped them go mad in the first place, and are now helping keep them mad, quite deliberately)

65730 ▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to The Spingler, 6, #176 of 1542 🔗

I would say 5 with a bit of 3, another possibility (not totally incompatible with either) is that they are aware they made a lot of wrong decisions – and have been for some time – but admitting to them by now would mean the end of a lot of people’s career and reputation (not least the PM), so the only thing they can do is attempt to keep the narrative going for as long as possible until a vaccine is available.

Put in other terms, the government have dug themselves such a deep hole that all they can do is to keep digging in the hope they’ll emerge on the other side, as soon as they stop the opposition and media are going to get their shovels out and well and truly bury them. Though this might be giving too much credit to the latter!

65737 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Drawde927, 4, #177 of 1542 🔗

I read some comment yesterday along the lines of “The great wait for a vaccine is just leaders hiding in the herd from their big mistakes.”

66680 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Drawde927, #179 of 1542 🔗

Norway’s PM apologised for Lockdown many weeks ago, it would be only fair if he survives politically while johnson! and his nobodies sink.

65856 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to The Spingler, 2, #180 of 1542 🔗

I agree, mostly 3 & 5. Also the general public aren’t very good at assessing and comparing relative risks, and they swallow the nonsense being pumped out by most of the media.

65687 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Humanity First, 3, #181 of 1542 🔗

I vote for 3.

65704 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Humanity First, 2, #182 of 1542 🔗

Definitely 3

65728 ▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Humanity First, 13, #183 of 1542 🔗

If it were only Britain that was going mad you could move somewhere else. But it’s the same everywhere. On French radio this morning we were treated to Dr Arnaud Fontanet of the Institut Pasteur ratcheting up the fear. The Institut Pasteur is hand in glove with Imperial College by the way. Fontanet belongs to the Scientific Council that gives poor Macron bad advice. The numbers of people testing positive are going up – in fact there are as many people infected now as at the end of the house arrest on the 11th May. So even though we have been going about our business without masks since then, we must put masks on now in order, he hints, to avoid another confinement. The man is an idiot. He says that most of the new infections are among younger people who don’t usually have a severe form of the disease, but they could pass it on to granny. 150,000 people died in old folks’ homes in France in 2015 and there wasn’t a peep out of Fontanet. Then he reminds us of how hospitals in Paris and the Grand Est were overflowing in March. He doesn’t mention that most hospitals everywhere else were quiet and private hospitals with empty beds were never requisitioned. Surely if there’s a lesson to be learned from the first confinement it’s that it wasn’t necessary. He worries about next winter since respiratory diseases are worse in winter. But that’s the very thing that’s unusual about covid19 – it arrived in force in March once the weather was warmer. At least in France we have Dr Didier Raoult, the hydroxychloroquine man, head of a clinic for infectious diseases in Marseilles, who has his own youtube channel (luckily, since he isn’t invited to speak on the radio) which attracts hundreds of thousands of views. I might write another comment about Didier Raoult one of these days. I wrote this one to relieve my feelings, because Fontanet is the man who caused me to fall out with a good friend, who lives next door to his sister. I used the three-letter c word to describe him (he deserves worse) and we haven’t spoken since.

66270 ▶▶▶ DJC, replying to Jane in France, 3, #184 of 1542 🔗

I live between Ireland and France and have lived in the UK and the one thing that I can’t get my head around is how so amazingly similar their governments’ responses have been to this when they are usually poles apart. I read lots of criticism on here of the UK government but it’s not like they are acting differently from the majority of other countries. It’s eerie. Is it because of blind obedience to WHO guidelines?

66330 ▶▶▶▶ Kristian Short, replying to DJC, #185 of 1542 🔗

More evidence for 4.

66840 ▶▶▶▶ Humanity First, replying to DJC, #186 of 1542 🔗

WHO is an unelected body. It has formally no authority over sovereign governments. It is funded mainly by money from Bill Gates’ organizations and big pharma. Yet it is undeniable that governments the world over are indeed implementing its recommendations (orders?).

So any thinking person will rightfully wonder who’s really calling the shots on the response to this ‘pandemic’?

65782 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Humanity First, 2, #187 of 1542 🔗

I would go for 4 with a dollop of 3.

65675 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #188 of 1542 🔗

https://corona-transition.org/jetzt-wegen-rhinoviren-osterreich-fuhrt-die-maskenpflicht-wieder-ein
Austria’s heath minister says that recent increase of isolation of rhinovruses (one of the common cold viruses) makes a good excuse to increase mask wearing among the public.At least he doesn’t hide his motives“Of course it is about a psychological effect, and I say this honestly and openly. It’s about to increase at the moment a too much reduced risk consciousness. We need to increase this so we don’t have any surprises this autumn and we can really stop a second wave”.

65723 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, 1, #189 of 1542 🔗

Good grief!!!!!

66024 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #190 of 1542 🔗

Does this man have a brain?

66439 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 1, #191 of 1542 🔗

Not if he’s anything like our health minister!

65677 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 5, #192 of 1542 🔗

Took my Dad (85) to the hospital nearly two weeks ago for an eye injection. These are the steps
1 Sun – early morning drive to hospital testing centre – swab taken
2 Self isolate at home till Wednesday
Attend appointment if we hear nothing.
Drive to hospital
Walk to Desk in foyer
Dad needed to put mask on (I had chatted with him that he did not need to but he wanted to)
Temperature taken
So even if you have been tested and been in self isolation after the test you still need to wear a mask just in case!
Proceed with care to department
I wait outside the hospital.
The positive – there is no messing now – in and out in under 40 minutes, it used to be anything from 60-120 minutes!

65722 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steeve, 2, #193 of 1542 🔗

Yes.
My recent dental x-ray: Needed no appointment, was sent to wrong department, found the right location – in a disused room at the other side of the hospital. Short wait. In and out in 20 minutes.
Thank goodness because I had to wear a face nappy!

66694 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steeve, #194 of 1542 🔗

Our supposedly autonomous Eye Hospital got turned over to ICU for Covid 4 months ago, never used. Still is, waiting for the elusive ‘second wave’ apparently.

65684 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 12, #195 of 1542 🔗

Seriously thinking of going into my local bank today just to see if they ask me to mask up. If they do, I’ve a mind to ask them if it’s OK to bring in my sawn off shot gun seeing as traditionally the two go together.

65685 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to Harry hopkins, 7, #196 of 1542 🔗

Have a mask made saying ‘ this is a hold up, hand over the money’. Bet that would go down a treat.

65794 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Harry hopkins, #197 of 1542 🔗

Balaclava.

65686 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #198 of 1542 🔗
65691 ▶▶ Julian, replying to A. Contrarian, 14, #199 of 1542 🔗

Well, it would be interesting to know, if it could help us when next faced with a choice of leader. I am sure his natural inclination is not towards a nanny state, but the inclination to save his political career and try to appear glorious and save us from covid have overridden this. I guess we have to conclude he is a man of weak principles and character.

65698 ▶▶▶ Montag Smith, replying to Julian, 3, #200 of 1542 🔗

And intellectually more slippery than an eel soaked in KY jelly!

65712 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Montag Smith, #201 of 1542 🔗

Surely that’s Gove?

65762 ▶▶▶▶▶ Montag Smith, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #202 of 1542 🔗

Actually I think no one in govt is more slippery than Johnson. I’m glad about what he’s done with Brexit but I think he’s more untrustworthy and has even less integrity than any other PM in decades.

65778 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Montag Smith, 4, #203 of 1542 🔗

Not so sure about their Brexit negotiations. We hear very little and I think lots of this virus noise is a ruse for us not to question what is going on.

65789 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Victoria, #204 of 1542 🔗

Wouldn’t surprise me.

65875 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to DRW, 3, #205 of 1542 🔗

Mason Mills is now protecting his tweets so I cannot see what he posts. He has been accurate on everything so far, whoever he is..

66147 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Carrie, #206 of 1542 🔗

I have signed upt o the Patreon site out of curiosity and I have some specific travel related questions I want answering. Some really interesting stuff. Condition of membership is not to disclose info in the public domain though unfortunately.

65710 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 3, #207 of 1542 🔗

Conclude?
His character and principles were obvious during the election campaign – if you hadn’t spotted it before then!

65703 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #208 of 1542 🔗

He got power but realised he doesn’t know how to wield it.

65706 ▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #209 of 1542 🔗

Nothing. He always was a pathological liar, wastrel and blusterer, with the narcissist’s characteristic of saying anything that would be to his own advantage.

Why anyone would have thought he was suited to leadership, I really can’t imagine – given his plain track record.

65743 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #210 of 1542 🔗

There was a psych op on him – Carrie.

What is so great about the internet is the totally useless information you can find, such as this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Cates – grandfather of Ms Arcuri.

Now what was it Rod Liddle wrote in The Times a few months ago – something about Boris and his ‘inquisitive p….’!

65779 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #211 of 1542 🔗

What you write re Carrie actually sounds plausible… I see parallels here with Meghan Markle – trap a guy, have his child, persuade guy to follow your agenda…

65787 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Carrie, 4, #212 of 1542 🔗

That’s my thinking too – oldest trick in the book.

65792 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #213 of 1542 🔗

What do we know about when and how they met?

65801 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Carrie, 1, #214 of 1542 🔗

After she left her Theatre Studies course (Warwick University) in 2009 she joined CCHQ as a Press Officer then campaigned for Boris Johnson in the 2010 London Conservative Party mayoral selection . See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrie_Symonds

65879 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #215 of 1542 🔗

Interesting.. so she’s a luvvie… Must look up her family background, usually informative…

66335 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Carrie, #216 of 1542 🔗

Luvvie-duvvie.

66365 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Carrie, 1, #217 of 1542 🔗

CIA

65689 daveh2, 1, #218 of 1542 🔗

I visited the open-air market in Abingdon this morning. Not as many stalls as usual but the fruit & veg seller was doing a lot of business. Insisted on payment in cash, which was great. The downside was that quite a few people were wearing muzzles.

65700 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 43, #219 of 1542 🔗

When will the bed-wetters in general and the teachers in particular get it into their thick heads that no amount of ‘self-isolating’ or masks or gloves is going to Save Them from The Covid.
It will come and go annually having another go at those vulnerable (into which group we all go closer with each passing year) which it missed last time.
The only justification for Lockdown was to save the NHS from being overwhelmed. Well we did that and now the NHS is underwhelming Us as is johnson and his unlikely crew.

65765 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to karenovirus, 14, #220 of 1542 🔗

Teachers have been a disgrace

66050 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to karenovirus, 4, #221 of 1542 🔗

I doubt that they are all genuinely scared, for the unions it’s just a good ruse to make it as difficult as possible to go back to work, so they can stay home (and still get paid). Especially now the government has awarded them a nice pay rise. Those union barons are certainly earning their dues.

Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.

66699 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to zacaway, #222 of 1542 🔗

They have less reason than most to fear Covid since most of them are young(ish) and female(ish).

65701 4096, replying to 4096, 28, #223 of 1542 🔗

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-is-back-with-a-vengeance-in-places-where-it-had-all-but-vanished-11595842202

Oh, really? You are telling me that if you spend millions on track and trace or lock everyone up so that herd immunity is not reached the virus doesn’t simply get tired and go away somewhere else !?!? I am shocked, shocked, I tell you.

The levels of stupidity on display in the mainstream media are simply overpowering now.
I admit that I naively hoped that this would all be winding down mid-summer at the latest. Sure, people got themselves in a bit of an irrational panic and most have an incredibly strong aversion to admitting mistakes, there was some awful ‘expert’ advice etc., so it all ‘sort of’ makes sense but after a few months more and more people will look at the data, see that, never mind the Hong-Kong flu, there were 50 000 excess deaths in the UK in 2017/2018 flu season (covid about 60k) see that Sweden is doing fine, that the chances of dying after being infected for healthy people with no pre-existing conditions are minimal etc., etc. but no, the insanity just pretty much continues unabated. What on earth is wrong with people?

I am beginning to think that this will really not end well at all. There is, apparently, already a spike in homicides in the US not seen since the 60s and no mainstream media is reporting it. This is madness.
https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1287704697558781953
I fear that we will not just have a huge recession when this is over but that it might not be a silly hyperbole to say that we may be entering a new dark age with wars, state collapses and all the other fun stuff.

65719 ▶▶ Sue, replying to 4096, 5, #224 of 1542 🔗

You could well be right – usa is very unstable at the moment and in the run up to the elections could get worse. Who knows what will happen depending on the result.
I read somewhere that in US there is a black militia armed upto the eyeballs with mean looking guns who are demanding their own independent state/country – this could be the catalyst for something rather nasty (maybe civil war?) between rival groups as they have weapons and probably not take much to trigger.
There is some very destabilising forces across the world at the moment which is fairly scary.

66166 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sue, #225 of 1542 🔗

These videos might give you some hope:

https://www.youtube.com/user/X22Report/videos

66377 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sue, #226 of 1542 🔗

None worse than governments though, sue.

66398 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, 3, #227 of 1542 🔗

Heh, just spotted this on Mike Adam’s NaturalNews site –

An armed Black Lives Matter rioter in Austin found out over the weekend what happens when you shoot into vehicles in Texas… people shoot back.

The assailant is now dead after firing his AK-47 five times and missing all five times. The intended victim of the shooting pulled out their own handgun and fired three times, killing the assailant.

65724 ▶▶ DRW, replying to 4096, 2, #228 of 1542 🔗

There’s always the chance of a complete memory-hole next year though.

66347 ▶▶ Kristian Short, replying to 4096, 1, #229 of 1542 🔗

I think this is the objective.

65709 Awkward Git, 14, #230 of 1542 🔗

Saw something on TV last night that brought shivers down my spine.

It was on Dave or UKGold (but could be wrong) and it 30 seconds of dogs trying to wear masks, at the end one was wearing it right and the comment came on screen “wear a mask” and that was it. It was done by the channel, not the NHS or Government.

More propaganda. More and more blatant by the day.

65713 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #231 of 1542 🔗

https://www.leadersleague.com/en/news/covid-19-success-stories-how-uruguay-curbed-the-spread-of-the-virus
Interesting to compare a Southern Hemisphere country, Uruguay with New Zealand. Uruguay did not have a lockdown, but massive testing etc and low cases.But do they think that both of them can cheat Mother Nature?

65797 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 9, #232 of 1542 🔗

The idea that you can ‘dodge’ or ‘eliminate’ an infection by mickey-mouse measures like lock-up and masking is ludicrous. Always was. Still is.

The main reductions in illness have been through *proper* public health measures – not ducking and diving.

Increases in sanitation , improvements in living conditions, reductions in poverty etc. are the key.

As to inter-country comparisons in relation to this mythical beast : it is pretty obvious that situational and environmental differences (along with varying degrees of dodgy data) are key elements – largely undefined at the moment.

NZ is an exercise in mass deliusion – not an unqualified success, since you can’t keep a country in eternal lockdown. Well – you can try, but the parallel is with attempts to keep animals in sterile environment. They die – because of the complexity of eco-systems at the microbial level.

66048 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 1, #233 of 1542 🔗

And New Zealand has half a globe of water to the east of it, which helps with isolation. NZ does not produce all its requirements however, so time will tell.

Herd immunity is the only way.

65716 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #234 of 1542 🔗

NHS negligence payouts, £2.3 billion last year plus legal fees last year and getting worse:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-sets-aside-56-billion-8481673

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51180944

http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/gp-topics/legal/cost-of-nhs-clinical-negligence-payouts-continues-to-soar/20037086.article

So to save £100 million over 5 years it would be better to get rid of the incompetents rather than pester people to lose 5 lbs in weight.

https://resolution.nhs.uk – if you want to claim.

66184 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #235 of 1542 🔗

£100 million over 5 years is £100mln / 5 / 52 / 7, i. e. just under £55K a day, divide that by 217 NHS trusts, leaving just over £253.20 per trust per day… How much is this drive going to cost again?.. Love it when people use huge figures to sound impressive and on the grounds it means Jack…

65717 TJN, 27, #236 of 1542 🔗

Face muzzles are filthy rags which help to spread disease.

65725 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 39, #237 of 1542 🔗

https://twitter.com/colella_josie/status/1287535093469380608
 “1 case of the virus in Nova Scotia Canada, a province of 970 000, a land twice the size of Belgium. Just one case and the person is at home. Yet, the govt has brought in a province wide mandatory mask bylaw. Friends…it’s not about health…it’s about something else!

65788 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to swedenborg, 5, #238 of 1542 🔗

Very true! And now this: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/24/gloves-may-next-step-masks-battle-against-covid-19-infection/

Remember I wrote the other day about the MSM signalling the next restriction by means of starting to show pictures of supposedly ‘normal’ life, but with the next stage of the ‘plan’ subtly indicated in said pictures..?

65732 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #239 of 1542 🔗

Are we just going to ignore Boris turning his back to Trump, the only person that was on his side when he became PM?

65754 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #240 of 1542 🔗

What has the PM done with respect to Trump? Is there some recent development? I have largely stopped looking at the news as it is too depressing and most of it seems irrelevant at the moment. Trump has been of very little help to our cause, other than defunding the WHO. He has provided no leadership to bring us back to sanity.

66452 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, #241 of 1542 🔗

Lost hope in Trump when he caved to muzzle-wearing.

67205 ▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Julian, #242 of 1542 🔗

Seems like Boris is backing Biden for president. You may argue that Trump hasn’t done much (even though i think that’s wrong), but to support Biden is pure madness.

65741 PWL, replying to PWL, 28, #243 of 1542 🔗

First trip to shop since policy started. Lidl. Just me and some children not wearing a mask (and two of them had been made to). Breezed around confidently. Whistled “Jerusalem”, sarcastically. Went back in because forgot something. Chatted to lad in queue (mask). Cracked jokes with the girl on till (no mask). On leaving the second time, came across a second non mask wearer. Gave him the thumbs up.

65760 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to PWL, 8, #244 of 1542 🔗

YAY!

65742 Montag Smith, replying to Montag Smith, 13, #245 of 1542 🔗

Here’s one way to look at the risk from Covid. Every year we experience the flu season with no face masks, social distancing, sanitisers on every street corner etc. In fact, society relishes in activities which bring people together. If Covid hadn’t occurred then we would have carried on living like that, and that includes all the outraged Covid bedwetters who think they occupy some kind of moral high ground.

At the moment the Covid death toll in many countries is less than that of 2 bad flu seasons combined. So given the above, why would anyone become hysterical about the equivalent risk of experiencing an extra two years of normal life which coincide with bad flu seasons?

65750 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Montag Smith, 10, #246 of 1542 🔗

Indeed. We need to employ some head doctors to help us come up with ways of coaxing the hysterical back to sanity. Tricky when the levers of power and control of information in most countries in the world are in the hands of evil people who are working against us. Second Dark Age.

65756 ▶▶▶ Montag Smith, replying to Julian, 13, #247 of 1542 🔗

A dark age indeed. I feel like a lot of what’s going on is just a 21st century version of the medieval mind. It’s a salutary lesson about the power of fear in even otherwise sensible people.

65769 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 8, #248 of 1542 🔗

“Coaxing” is a large part of the problem – this disaster has really rammed home what a problem we created for ourselves by allowing our own governments to propagandise and manipulate us, supposedly for our own good.

It started decades ago, seemingly harmlessly, with BBC broadcasting designed to send out “public information” and reinforce it with “educational” storylines in soaps about basic hygiene, uncontroversial dietary advice etc. It grew into cynical but ostensibly well intentioned and massively funded political indoctrination against supposedly evil dissent such as “racism” and all the other isms of political correctness. Now we have full blown “behavioural insight” manipulation and we are funding our own systematic transformation into obedient generic serfs.

66704 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark, 2, #249 of 1542 🔗

What surprises me is that it is the supposedly well educated that fall for this manipulation so whole heartedly.
It’s the girls on the shop tills and blokes on building sites and in the motor trade who see it for the bollocks it is.

65803 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, 14, #250 of 1542 🔗

My tactic with my mother, has been to point out in a jokey way the illogicalities of the rules, by taking the line that ‘this virus is really clever, it knows not to infect policemen and supermarket workers, it took a holiday between when the announcement re masks was made and when the rule came into force’ and so on..(there are plenty of examples we can use!!!) I can say that she ended up in fits of laughter and I think she got the point!

The reason we ended up having the conversation was that she thinks it is good to comply with rules, because she thinks we should set a good example to younger people and children about respecting authority and obeying the law.. Whilst I understand what she is trying to say, in this case I do not think that applies – as in any case these rules are guidelines, not criminal law..

65883 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Carrie, 12, #251 of 1542 🔗

I made this up the other day. Maybe it’s a bit pompous, as if I was pretending to be an 18th century philosopher, but anyway: “A bad law deserves to be ignored, and an oppressive law demands to be resisted.”

66399 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Carrie, 1, #252 of 1542 🔗

I always mention about the virus travelling only in one direction and doesn’t like BLM protesters or VE day. It usually raises a chuckle and some of them start to get it.

65764 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Montag Smith, 3, #253 of 1542 🔗

Good post from Andrew Neil,
My rudimentary working out makes it
0.00837% global deaths.
March 2020 7,800,000,000 world population.

https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1287718352375488513?s=19

65795 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to smileymiley, 2, #254 of 1542 🔗

Or just under 2% of the total number of people who have died this year in the world (33m), from here: https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ (and bear in mind a lot of the covid deaths would have died anyway)

66207 ▶▶▶ Riffman, replying to smileymiley, 1, #255 of 1542 🔗

Yep.. approaching (only) 1/3 of world deaths from 1968 Hong Kong flu. I actually had that as a kid, screwed up everybody’s Christmas! 😂

66460 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Riffman, 1, #256 of 1542 🔗

I remember that one. I was a kid. Parents both ill in bed for a couple of days. Brother and I left to fend for ourselves. No idea what we ate. Probably jam sandwiches and cheese. Didn’t kill us!

65780 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Montag Smith, 1, #257 of 1542 🔗

You are so right!!!!

65806 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Montag Smith, 2, #258 of 1542 🔗

less than that of 2 bad flu seasons”

It’s less than one moderately bad ‘flu season in the great scheme of things.

… and I caught ‘flu in two of the very worst – c. 1957 and 1968 – so I don’t need any lectures about a mild infection for most people.

66320 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Montag Smith, 4, #259 of 1542 🔗

I’ve been peddling this line of questioning lately…
Dear mask wearers. Over the course of your lifetime you have probably already indirectly killed someone during influenza season. Why don’t we all mask up for four months every year to protect those vulnerable to the flu? Plenty of people die every year from an infection that many of us shrug off after week or so. How is coronavirus any different? Why do you believe it will just go away and things will return to normal? (that normal being where we all think nothing of spreading influenza around and care even less for those who die of it).

65752 GetaGrip, replying to GetaGrip, 12, #260 of 1542 🔗

Depressing.
Out and about today and I see more people than ever wearing face-sieves walking down the STREET.

65757 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to GetaGrip, 4, #261 of 1542 🔗

Getting crazy. Glad we’re still free from this in Wales. For now.

65761 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to GetaGrip, 14, #262 of 1542 🔗

They think it protects them. They think the virus has got worse, because we all have to wear masks now. Even though the gov told them otherwise. hence the bullying in shops, and hence they walk down empty streets with the mask on.

65812 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #263 of 1542 🔗

They think the virus has got worse, because we all have to wear masks now.”

Precisely.*That* is the motive.

65841 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 5, #264 of 1542 🔗

So Johnson can say “we have beaten it”. Load of bollocks.

65853 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Will, 3, #265 of 1542 🔗

Bastard will want his “VE day” next year- I can imagine huge parades of NHS staff through London, thousands of watching sheeple dutifully applauding.

65936 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to DRW, 3, #266 of 1542 🔗

In muzzles, presumably.

66035 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to DRW, #267 of 1542 🔗

I thought super saturday was a moth-eaten flea-ridden VE day.

65947 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to RickH, 1, #268 of 1542 🔗

Oh, yes. And of course, the government “didn’t say it had got worse”.

65753 PWL, replying to PWL, 8, #269 of 1542 🔗

The State nannying and interfering and blamy ing obesity is nothing to do with Covid-19.

The question to ask is why is there an abundance of the protein ACE2 at the lung. More of it facilitates the reacting with it by SARS-COV (which causes the pneumonia). At the start of this travesty, some newspapers reported that the cause was prescription drugs for illnesses that obesity was the gateway to. ACEIs and ARBS over stimulate ACE2.

So here we have the situation where people are going to be ensnared into the pharma/NHS drug dependency because of obesity, and it’s the drugs, potentially, that causes Covid-19.

http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/04/more-on-sars-cov-to-ace2-binding-and-true-covid-19-that-discredits-uk-governments-pretext-for-creating-economic-disaster/

66705 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PWL, #272 of 1542 🔗

How many obese people have died from Covid? Any numbers?

65767 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 26, #273 of 1542 🔗

I’v just taken my nappy free face for a shop around sainsburys, everyone else was face nappied up.

I had intended to make a ”Baaa…” noise (my impression of a sheep) if anyone showed an interest – people would have had to ask themselves if I was taking the p*ss or I was bonkers – but unfortunately no one bothered.

Then nipped into bargain booze for some chilled booze – again no one bothered.

Lead by example – its not scary – just do it…

65774 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Major Panic, 11, #274 of 1542 🔗

I’ve done it a couple of times now since my run in with phobophobia guy the other day. I’m unbothered- but I’m now in my local area and have faith in the common sense (and un-nastiness) of people round here. But hey I’ll be doing it from now on wherever I am. Balaclava reserved for desperate scenarios (Doctors opticians etc), when I will mumble inaudibly and hopefully be ordered to take it off 😉

65894 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Major Panic, 6, #275 of 1542 🔗

Yes, the British reluctance to make a fuss is helpful. But there will be those who give you a nasty look or verbal abuse. Best to ignore them if you can, or have your own reply ready.

65908 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Edward, 8, #276 of 1542 🔗

Tyneside Tigress has come up with the perfect response to the noisy ones, just say ”shame on you” firmly and with conviction…

Should confuse the sh*t out of them

65771 Kelly deacons, replying to Kelly deacons, 14, #277 of 1542 🔗

Friday at Morrisons I was quizzed at door and the only maskless shopper.Today at Morrisons differant guard didn’t say a word,or even cared…..2 other maskless shoppers!I was fair giddy with excitement.Also saw a bare face coming out the chippy with his purchase…and it is still early days!

65776 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Kelly deacons, 8, #278 of 1542 🔗

I’ve defo noticed more maskless dudes since friday. But then again- as I said- local area. Hardly anyone wears them around here.

65785 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Farinances, #279 of 1542 🔗

Without wishing to fish for where you live, what is it, do you think, about your area that means people don’t wear them?

65859 ▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Julian, 2, #280 of 1542 🔗

One word :
Yorkshire. 😎

65867 ▶▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Farinances, 3, #281 of 1542 🔗

Actually no three words.

Rural/suburban Yorkshire 😎

66047 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Farinances, 2, #282 of 1542 🔗

Sounds idyllic to me right now! Might put it on the list if Sweden don’t let me in. Maybe the county could be given over to Lockdown sceptics and made autonomous

66469 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, #283 of 1542 🔗

We’ve tried that for centuries. Both King Harold and Henry V111 had to travel up to York to put down rebellions.

66622 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Farinances, #284 of 1542 🔗

Last of the Summer Wine.

66466 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Farinances, #285 of 1542 🔗

Yay!!

65775 Polemon2, replying to Polemon2, 11, #286 of 1542 🔗

Further to to Toby’s comments on “weight-loss”…..

As sceptics we will have been aware of the NHS/PHE anti-food and anti-alcohol propaganda over the last few years. These campaigns can now be re-invigorated by suggesting a COVID linkage . Since any COVID pronouncements from NHS/PHE cannot be questioned by an “right-thinking” person this is an almost inevitable development.

The new PFE report is entitled “Insights from new evidence on the relationship between excess weight and coronavirus (COVID-19). The press release is headlined “”Excess weight can increase risk of serious illness and death from COVID-19”” and the first line of the press release states ”Being obese or excessively overweight increases the risk of severe illness and death from COVID-19, a new Public Health England (PHE) report confirms.”

Now if we actually look at the report (with my added italics) it actually says:-

  • There is also some evidence to suggest that disparities in excess weight may explain some of the observed differences in outcomes linked to COVID-19 for older adults and some BAME groups.
  • there remain limitations with the evidence to date
  • At this time, however, conclusions on excess weight and COVID-19 severity are tentative and more research is needed to build the evidence base.
  • There is currently no high-quality research on the effects of weight loss on COVID-19 risks,
  • There are a number of limitations in the evidence to date,
  • However, there are limitations in the current evidence base linking weight status to COVID-19 (outlined earlier in this section) which means that only tentative conclusions can be drawn
  • At this time, it is not possible to be sure if it is excess weight that is directly causing the reported increased risk of COVID-19 for patients who are living with overweight or obesity compared with those of a healthier weight, or another factor not taken into account, or identified, in the currently published studies. There are a number of limitations in the evidence to date, including sampling and testing strategies, unequal exposure to COVID-19, sample sizes and limited number of COVID-19 infections. Further research is needed , including more systematic reviews and meta-analyses.
  • However, at this time a more definitive conclusion on excess weight and the severity of COVID-19 cannot be made.

I could quote further but that is probably enough to demonstrate the depth of the sand upon which this house is built.
Nevertheless the report still concludes that “

  • Evidence published during the pandemic, despite its limitations, consistently suggests that people with COVID-19 who are living with overweight or obesity, are at notably increased risk of serious COVID-19 complications and death.

So, the report concludes by saying merely that there is a only a suggestion of an increased risk. Not quite the press release headline! However this is clearly good enough to advance the broader weight loss agenda by latching onto COVID paranoia supported by the mainstream media.

65954 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Polemon2, 1, #287 of 1542 🔗

Nothing about the obesity-related medicine that potentially creates the perfect environment for Covid-19? See above comment:
https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/07/27/latest-news-86/#comment-65753

66707 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Polemon2, #288 of 1542 🔗

Cheap journalism. Shameful.

65777 Nigel Fox, 1, #289 of 1542 🔗

Excellent stuff. Keep it up.

65783 Mimi, replying to Mimi, 6, #290 of 1542 🔗

For what it’s worth – I had a lovely day in north Georgia yesterday with my sister’s family. We went to Lake Lanier and spent the day on the beach there.We did have to submit to a temperature check on entry, but honestly, that at least is a targeted measure that might actually spot people who COULD spread COVID. Lots of people enjoying the sunshine and social interaction, hardly any masks in sight, even on the young people manning the ticket booths. It was very reassuring, a sign that there are plenty of folks who just want to enjoy their lives.

OTOH, my sister’s kids are ages 5 and 7. Despite overwhelming desire from parents that schools open up in person, the schools are going to spend the first weeks of the year entirely virtual. Because you obviously can’t place an illiterate 5-year-old in front of a computer screen and expect any meaningful education to occur, the professional parents in this area (a wealthy part of Atlanta) are now forming “pods.” Each pod will contain three to five children plus a “facilitator,” who will run them through their daily lessons at a cost of $300/week/child.

I will point out that most of these parents are progressive in their politics and strongly support BLM. I will also point out that Atlanta has a very large black population, many of them underprivileged, and that this group is not going to be able to basically create their own mini-schools and foot the bill for it. They are also not going to be able to stay home to teach their children themselves. What is most likely to happen is that the most underprivileged kids will learn nothing at all.

65807 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mimi, #291 of 1542 🔗

This has always been a problem. It’s almost as if the authorities are determined to create an underclass. A servile class, maybe?

65784 Basics, replying to Basics, 12, #292 of 1542 🔗

Anyone following the saga of the Fife Hairdresser who stated masks were not required in his salon may be interested to learn tge police have now paid him a visit.

Yesterday a politician who doesn’t deserve publicity wrote in the press about how terrible the hairdresser was.

Today the police go to investigate.

“Police officers visited Glenwood Salon on Saturday after Edinburgh Live reported that the owner would not enforce face mask laws.”

“A spokesperson for Police Scotland, said: “Local officers called at the salon and found the appropriate safety measures in place at the time.”

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/police-visit-hairdresser-refusing-follow-18669447

As we all know it is not for the hairdresser to enforce. He is a hairdresser not a politicised Police Scotland goon-lacky-officer.

People may like to reflect on Scotlands CMO going back and forth to Fife during supposed peak days transmission. It is hard to walk the line the Scottish idiocracy want you to walk, not having a string running upwards from my head.

65808 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 10, #293 of 1542 🔗

I emailed him to congratulate him, got a good reply.

We are Fighting a war right now
The time is now to unite as one
We win btw

65793 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 8, #294 of 1542 🔗

Does the government’s new obesity campaign tell us anything about cock-up versus conspiracy?

As someone above points out, the government is seeking to blame the population for the Covid death toll thereby deflecting blame from themselves while maintaining the fiction of Covid having been genuinely dangerous to the UK population. But for a newly fit and healthy population, it seemingly offers something along the lines of a way out from lockdown while maintaining that fiction.

Doesn’t that look like the tactic of a weak, pathetic, spineless government rather than a would-be totalitarian one? The totalitarian government would surely simply maintain the fear rather than offering any sort of way out of it..?

It also tells me that if they can pull this anti-obesity stunt for obviously cynical reasons then everything else is clearly cynical too. The local lockdowns, the masks, the quarantine…

65828 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Barney McGrew, #295 of 1542 🔗

I believe Boris is a reluctant Covidian, appearing to run with the crowd but messing it up deliberately.

65855 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #296 of 1542 🔗

Hardly a credible position, though. You’d have to believe that he’s somehow being held hostage, perhaps blackmailed. I mean, it’s possible I suppose, but stupidity, dishonesty and cowardice seem more plausible, frankly.

65885 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Mark, 3, #297 of 1542 🔗

Has Boris ever wanted to be credible, I dont think he cares about things like that. After his ‘covid attack’ he came back looking as if he was in shock, although looking almost back to normal now, something happened to him at that time.

66494 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #298 of 1542 🔗

I think he was TOLD.

I remember Robin Cook looking as if he’d just learned the Truth Of How Things Really Work Around Here in a photo of the Cabinet taken just after Blair took over. He looked seriously disillusioned.

66721 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #299 of 1542 🔗

One hears conspiracy-oriented tales of newly sworn-in US Presidents being shown the real footage of what happened in Dealy Plaza. Followed by “Any questions ?”.

66714 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #300 of 1542 🔗

He and Dom never had the Covid, just a bad acid trip after watching 28 Days/28 Weeks back to back.

66934 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, #301 of 1542 🔗

Au contraire I think like most politicians he craves popularity, but above all power. He has made no effort that I can see to steer us back in the right direction – masks, Leicester, quarantines – no-one made him do these things. They have an 80-seat majority, and no election for 4 and a half years. At the start it was cowardice, now it’s fear for his career and craving for power.

65869 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #302 of 1542 🔗

Barney, they are my thoughts exactly. I’m telling everybody who cares to listen, exactly that.

66306 ▶▶ GetaGrip, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #303 of 1542 🔗

There’s no conspiracy, and they’re not ideological totalitarians. They are a bunch of panicky, scientifically illiterate light-weights who have been led by public opinion since this whole pantomime kicked off.

You need to remember that:

(1) The Tory party (and I am ideologically a Tory) would happily guillotine the Queen in Leicester Square if they thought that was needed to keep them in power.

(2) All politicians everywhere only have eyes on the Corona Nuremberg Trials. Judgements will be based on Covid death-numbers and success in “supressing the virus”.

Unfortunately the jaw-dropping stupidity of every aspect of this is only apparent to, at most, 20% of the population.

66720 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to GetaGrip, #304 of 1542 🔗

(2) our government seeks to bump the death toll up to make lockdown measures seem more proportionate, Spains pulls them downwards to avoid looking incompetent (and save their tourism industry, fat chance).

66929 ▶▶▶ Catherine123, replying to GetaGrip, #305 of 1542 🔗

How do you account for pretty similar measure being taken by governments all over the World?

67121 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Catherine123, #306 of 1542 🔗

You certainly can’t blame it on incompetence. It’s been bery well-orchestrated.

66489 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #307 of 1542 🔗

I think it’s just a red herring for the summer.
The press, bored with muzzle fashion, will have a lovely time publishing exercise routines and suggested diets.
Lots of smokescreen potential!

66710 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Barney McGrew, #308 of 1542 🔗

Once johnson! has milked the fatties for blame he’ll start on the smokers and drinkers next.
Increased tax on junk food, alcohol and tobacco “all in the fight against the covid”.

66711 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, #309 of 1542 🔗

Risky – he’d be targeting the main mask-wearing groups there ! 🙂

66717 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JohnB, #310 of 1542 🔗

I drink and smoke, eat what I like, never exercise for the sake of it, still slim though, fast metabolism they used to call it.

65796 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #311 of 1542 🔗

How travel reporters are turning in to vile, granny killing scum..

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/12235048/this-morning-travel-expert-encouraging-break-quarantine-ruth-langsford/

The 64-year-old travel pro was branded a “danger to public health”

65820 ▶▶ mjr, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #312 of 1542 🔗

read some of the twitter comments that the sun article references .
there are so many villages in england who must be missing their idiot

65798 watashi, replying to watashi, 2, #313 of 1542 🔗

Just been chatting with my brainwashed (once rational and intelligent) muzzle loving neighbour.
She is delighted (!!!?!) with the muzzles having been made mandatory in shops as she
totally believes there is a killer virus out there. My points to the contrary just washed over her, it was like she couldn t even hear me.
Her sister got ill in April (no positive covid test, not that that would tell us anything anyway) and is still suffering. Neighbour thinks this is some kind of covid post viral fatigue attacking her sister
s heart? (sister is in her early fifties)
Is anyone aware of any such reported long term affects of this so-called virus?

65802 ▶▶ Hannahbanana, replying to watashi, 1, #314 of 1542 🔗

I know a couple of people who work in hospitals who were pretty unwell and had positive COVID tests (as you say, doesn’t necessarily prove anything) but they have both been experiencing after effects – chronic pain and fatigue. It is being attributed to post -viral fatigue.

65811 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Hannahbanana, 3, #315 of 1542 🔗

ie after affects of flu or any virus really.

65831 ▶▶ kbeanie, replying to watashi, 2, #316 of 1542 🔗

I got post viral fatigue after glandular fever back in my last year on secondary school. Was off solidly for 6 weeks + then only went back part-time. Had fully ‘recovered’ within about 8 months or so.

Very strange regardless. And am hoping that it’ll put some attention on M.E/chronic fatigue syndrome too as it’s so often dismissed. (For background, I was actually diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome about a year after I’d ‘recovered’ from my post viral fatigue. Sigh. No one told me I could get ill again 😂 )

65870 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to kbeanie, 3, #317 of 1542 🔗

Friend of mine developed chronic fatigue not long after becoming vegetarian. I am not sure the two were completely unrelated…
Twenty odd years later she is still not 100%. She is currently sewing and selling flowery masks for the paranoid…

66033 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to kbeanie, #318 of 1542 🔗

L-Lysine is effective in getting over ‘glandular fever’.

66507 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Victoria, #319 of 1542 🔗

Medics reckon 12 months to recover from a bad case of glandular fever.

65863 ▶▶ GLT, replying to watashi, 3, #320 of 1542 🔗

Agree with kbeanie. Post viral fatigue is nothing new but mostly dismissed by NHS. We’ll never know how this virus compares to flu or glandular fever as no records kept for those viruses whereas this one will be ‘under the microscope’. If the scientists who say that this virus seems to be the product of accelerated evolution are correct and it is therefore peculiarly capable of infecting human cells then maybe it does have greater potential to cause ongoing immune issues? Would be better to use our resources for proper treatment and research not ineffectual lockdowns and distancing that trash our economy.

65921 ▶▶ sarnskeptic, replying to watashi, 3, #321 of 1542 🔗

I was tired for weeks after having “a virus” (which I picked up from someone who was in and out of Parliament in early March….). My father (67) had it too. He too was fatigued afterwards and it took a few weeks to get back to normal.

Flu does that too though, it’s not that unusual…

66030 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to watashi, 4, #322 of 1542 🔗

People experience fatigue because they are deficient in many nutrients especially Zinc, Vitamin A and Vitamin C (Your body uses a lot of these to fight viruses).

66119 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Victoria, #323 of 1542 🔗

thank you, I`ll recommend these to the neighbour.

66041 ▶▶ guy153, replying to watashi, 3, #324 of 1542 🔗

There was a good MedCram video on this recently. https://youtu.be/tFXr14xmuGw

It looks like ongoing fatigue is quite common in about half of severe cases where there was pneumonia– it probably takes the lungs a bit of time to recover. Not necessarily specific to Covid-19, any pneumonia can do this.

I’m a bit concerned however that all the hysterical reporting may be creating semi-imaginary cases in people who only had mild Covid.

66510 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to guy153, #325 of 1542 🔗

Some local coronavirus outbreaks could be ‘mass hysteria’, Joint Biosecurity Centre warns
Organisation co-ordinating UK’s virus response said it would be alert to possibility of ‘local episodes of mass psychogenic illness’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/25/local-coronavirus-outbreaks-could-mass-hysteriajoint-biosecurity/

66502 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to watashi, 1, #326 of 1542 🔗

The Grad regularly wheels out someone who has post viral syndrome, supposedly caused by covid.

65799 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #327 of 1542 🔗

More on the anti – something* border protests. No comment from me as the whole situation is blatantly obvious. Posting just so people outside of Scotland hear about the very nasty side of SNP led ideology.
*SNP Yousaf claimed these protesters were racists for standing in the border with signs telling English cars to fuck off home.

“Coronavirus in Scotland: Nationalists behind protests at the border ‘plan Edinburgh Airport demonstration’
The plans could see protestors ramp up recent movements seen at the borders and take demonstrations to Scots airports and train stations

“In the video, Sean Clerkin says: ” There is going to be an expansion of these non-violent peaceful direct action protests where we are saying to people south of the border ‘Stay south of the border’

“Covid-19 is five point five times higher in England than it is in Scotland and we have to protect the public health of Scotland.”

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/coronavirus-scotland-nationalists-behind-protests-18667165

65804 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 6, #328 of 1542 🔗

Yep, how long before she closes the border???

I moved to Scotland for a better life, it’s a horrible place to be at the moment.

65889 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 3, #329 of 1542 🔗

It is properly horrible. Sinister undertones. I struggle for words but completely agree.

If you talk to those who know the SNP are propped up by properly clueless useful idiots who bulkout the party. The disgusting opression comes from a small clique at its core, who are happy to feed in agendas from foreign parts to keep power.

I’m sure you know all this Steven! More than me, Scotland is an unpleasant place to live.

65977 ▶▶▶ peter, replying to stefarm, 5, #330 of 1542 🔗

Dumfries & Galloway hate the SNP. We would never close the border to our English brothers and sisters.

65809 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Basics, 2, #331 of 1542 🔗

As if Covid is the biggest health problem in Scotland!!

65897 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #332 of 1542 🔗

With the co-morbitities hear aplenty I think it proves covid “isn’t all that”!

NHS Scotland had, may still have, a phrase ‘the Glasgow effect’ this their label for the unexplained low everage life expectancy in Glasgow. Lowest in Europe at times – always unexplainable. Always interventions about this and that but never a good outcome. I think possible 20 years lower average life in some areas of Glasgow compared to other parts of Europe. Tragic.

65990 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Dan Clarke, #333 of 1542 🔗

isnt the wee Krankee Scotland’s ‘biggest’ health proble?

65847 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Basics, 6, #334 of 1542 🔗

How about we protect public health in Scotland by stopping giving them our money?

65901 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Farinances, 3, #335 of 1542 🔗

I think that would create a lean mean fighting machine on Englands border! Barnett knows best!

Their would be no nation without the money. Tourism gone and oil no more says Greta of Arc. Windy isn’t going to make a happy nation.

66512 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, #336 of 1542 🔗

Scotland 2 cases. England 5.5 times higher = ??

65805 Bella, replying to Bella, 4, #337 of 1542 🔗

Vietnam evacuating 80,000 from city after three positive COVID-19 tests ‘ Says it all really about another agenda. Totally out of proportion. I mean do you evacuate Wembley Stadium after three people sneezed?

65928 ▶▶ ted, replying to Bella, 2, #338 of 1542 🔗

The specifics in the story make it even better, 431 total cases in the country, 430,000 tests! All 11 new cases from the same hospital. Good lord. Sounds like a unbelievable raging epidemic to me. State capitalism (aka communism) in true form. Sadly, this is our future (present) in the west. Mao is laughing his busty ass off, wherever his spirit rests.

66515 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella, #339 of 1542 🔗

Wait till winter ……

65813 Chicot, replying to Chicot, 2, #340 of 1542 🔗

Can this farce get anymore ridiculous?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53552557

65837 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Chicot, #341 of 1542 🔗

Face mask for that cat! Lock it up!

65846 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Chicot, 9, #342 of 1542 🔗

They come for my cat, someone is getting killed.

65943 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Farinances, 1, #343 of 1542 🔗

My cat says that about me.

66630 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nick Rose, #344 of 1542 🔗

Your cat better make sure first that you stashed its food in an accessible place before committing such a rash act..

65864 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Chicot, 1, #345 of 1542 🔗

Well if a pawpaw and a goat can have it…

66724 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Chicot, #346 of 1542 🔗

Early in lockdown it was reported that a lion at Wuhan zoo had caught Covid from its keepers, UK press spent a few days urging people to keep their moggies indoors but soon got bored with it.

65816 PoshPanic, 4, #347 of 1542 🔗

A good article from 2015, for anyone interested in the mass hysteria theory…

https://www.aafp.org/afp/2000/1215/p2649.html

This paragraph is particularly noteworthy..

Nonetheless, ordering large numbers of tests can be problematic. The well-known adage, “If you order enough tests, something will come back abnormal,” can leave a physician having to explain an abnormal result to a patient who has symptoms that may be completely unrelated to that parameter. In addition, extensive testing can fuel perceptions that a physiologic or toxic cause of the illness is suspected and may be interpreted as inconsistent with reassuring messages.

65817 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 5, #348 of 1542 🔗

Saw this today (from Jon Rappoport’s email) – chilling when one looks at the date –

“Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self preservation?”
(CIA interdepartmental memo, Project ARTICHOKE, January 1952)

65833 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to JohnB, 2, #349 of 1542 🔗

Bloody hell. They would try to get someone to commit suicide?

66519 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to thedarkhorse, #350 of 1542 🔗

Kids’ facebook friends can do that easily – without training.

66038 ▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, 1, #351 of 1542 🔗

of course you can. Easy.

65818 Hannahbanana, replying to Hannahbanana, 19, #352 of 1542 🔗

Just returned home after a morning working in a reopened gym. Thrilling to see people only half-arsing the distancing/’safety’ measures and simply getting on with restoring their health, fitness, socialising with each other – it will do so much good to everyone’s quality of life. A lot of 50+ people too. People are not as afraid as I had thought. Lots of scepticism, loved it! Just 2 wearing muzzle while exercising (idiots.)

65825 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to Hannahbanana, 6, #353 of 1542 🔗

I can only assume they weren’t exercising very hard, if they didnt rip the masks off – like you say, idiots!

65940 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Hannahbanana, 5, #354 of 1542 🔗

I think if the restrictions have adversely affected you – in my case hillwalking, in your case gyms – then I think you are more likely to be sceptical.

Those who enjoy sitting around at home, drinking, DIY, gardening, not having to go out for 80% salary are probably a wee bit more ecstatic about the situation.

The difference is that for you and I, life can only get better as we return to the things we enjoy and love. For them, life is about to get harder, poorer, nastier.

65821 richard riewer, 5, #355 of 1542 🔗

Remember Weapons of Mass Destruction? The new daily mantra is Protect the NHS.

65824 Dan Clarke, 15, #356 of 1542 🔗

The world is being run by psychopaths, it is contagious, and affecting the general public more than covid

65826 Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #357 of 1542 🔗

Latest advice about the Spanish quarantine as it applies to Scotland.

Colin Mathieson, knowledge co-ordinator with Scotland’s national consumer advice service, consumeradvice.scot –

“This new guidance from both the UK and the Scottish government means anyone who travels to Spain and then returns to the UK will have to self-isolate for 14 days.

“As well as completing the passenger locator form, there may be additional checks to ensure you are adhering to the rules and staying at the location you’ve declared on the form.

“Failure to adhere to this may result in fines for non-compliance, and even court or legal action for repeated breach of the regulations.
“Even if you travelled to Spain before the change in guidance, you will still have to self-isolate.

“Anyone who cannot return to work as a result of self-isolating should discuss this with their employer in the first instance.

“Options include working from home or requesting additional holidays or unpaid leave from your employer.

“But it’s important to clarify that if your employer does not agree to this, you are still not allowed to return to work.

“In that case, you may be required to take a period of sickness from work, which would need a doctor’s note, and should be requested by telephone.

“Further information about employment rights is available at our website or call our freephone number 0808 164 6000.”

65834 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #358 of 1542 🔗

An opposition MSP has called for fund to be set up to help those effected by the measure. A ‘fund’, that signifier of failure.

The message is do not travel. You are free. Don’ think you are not. But di not travel. Ever.

65891 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Basics, 11, #359 of 1542 🔗

Well, my wife was worried whether we should cancel our trip abroad later this year, following the news concerning Spain. Indeed not! We go, and if we come back and face quarantine we ignore the strictures and then face the music (if indeed it will be policed, which I don’t think will happen). We will NOT let these little bully boys dictate our lives for one second more.

65905 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #360 of 1542 🔗

Glad to hear it Mr Dee and think likewise.

65934 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #361 of 1542 🔗

That’s what I’ll say if ever challenged over a mask. I’ve had enough of the BS, you can buy into it if you want to, but I recommend you do your own research. But no more for me thank you…

66479 ▶▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #362 of 1542 🔗

Nobody checks at the moment.
I am going to ignore quarantine.

65957 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to Basics, 7, #363 of 1542 🔗

It’s hard to actually believe what is written here it’s so cruel.

“Options include working from home or requesting additional holidays or unpaid leave from your employer.”

Request the benefit of unpaid leave… wow, thanks government!

“But it’s important to clarify that if your employer does not agree to this, you are still not allowed to return to work.”

If they won’t agree to it, tough shit… dont even think about trying to earn a living.

“In that case, you may be required to take a period of sickness from work, which would need a doctor’s note, and should be requested by telephone”

You’ll need a doctors note to enjoy the benefit of unpaid enforced time off work, for having had the audacity to go on holiday. Good luck getting in touch with your GP LOL

65827 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #364 of 1542 🔗

Here we go. Can we expect a surge in animal cruelty now? Yet more government bullshit:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/covid-19-confirmed-in-pet-cat-in-the-uk

65838 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Nick Rose, #365 of 1542 🔗

Coming soon to gov.uk …”Love Island starlets in bust up!”

65840 ▶▶ Edna, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #366 of 1542 🔗

Those were my thoughts exactly. As though cats were not villified enough, cat owners now will have this to contend with. I feel I should add that I don’t own a cat (though I used to) but anything that encourages animal cruelty is abhorrent.

65844 ▶▶ Hammer Onats, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #367 of 1542 🔗

Will the cats now have to wear masks?

65920 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Hammer Onats, 1, #368 of 1542 🔗

The cat and all their household will have to self-isolate for fourteen days.

65961 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Hammer Onats, 1, #369 of 1542 🔗

We couldn’t even get ours to put up with wearing a flea collar – seriously cats are far too intelligent to fall for this mask guff.

65988 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Hammer Onats, #370 of 1542 🔗

That was my first thought when I heard the report. If you have pets, you now have to wear masks at home.

65865 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #371 of 1542 🔗

Again.. another chance to wake people up. Cat lovers have lived alongside there cats… get this official gov link to them. Already in debate with one pet owner after Nick posted. It’s an opportunity to point out the nonsense.

65878 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #372 of 1542 🔗

That’s so strange you bring that up today. I had a dream last night that we had armed militia going from house to house to seize all pets and destroy them, on account of a fear of them spreading covid.

65902 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Mr Dee, #373 of 1542 🔗

Anything’s possible in this insane world. The Spanish are killing 100,000 mink because they are apparently carriers of this virus.

65904 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Chicot, 2, #374 of 1542 🔗

good time to get a new coat ………..

65939 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Chicot, #375 of 1542 🔗

if they are not indigenous to spain then they are probably doing a lot of harm anyway

65953 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Chicot, #376 of 1542 🔗

Apparently 1 million also killed in Holland . At least it will stop the animal lib people liberating them to cause havoc with indigenous wildlife as they have done in UK

65960 ▶▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to Chicot, 2, #377 of 1542 🔗

I don’t see any difference between mink and dogs or cats personally, if they use it to justify killing 100,000 innocent creatures, whether they’re indigenous or not is irrelevant, of one species, then it should apply to others – and so, I’d like to see the government mandate the slaughter of millions of cats and dogs – it’s one thing that would definitely at last get people to wake the fuck up and full on riot

65986 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mark II, #378 of 1542 🔗

Yes, would make any other kickback look like a fluffy picnic.

66528 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Chicot, #379 of 1542 🔗

If they are wild mink then they are a pest.

65932 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mr Dee, #380 of 1542 🔗

It’s a scary thought. The world is insane enough at the moment.

As a rather more flippant aside, I can never remember my dreams. I’m especially disappointed with a dream I forgot that was about six numbers. So vivid at the time, but when I woke… gone.

66640 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mr Dee, #381 of 1542 🔗
65919 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #382 of 1542 🔗

Most likely improper use of rtPCR to “diagnose,” yet again…

65926 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to IMoz, #383 of 1542 🔗

Agreed.

65830 Bella, replying to Bella, 10, #384 of 1542 🔗

I’ve not seen this anywhere, but presume if you wear a cloth mask you are in danger of inhaling fibres from the material. Fibres on your lungs can be very bad news.

65839 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Bella, 2, #385 of 1542 🔗

A fine point.

65842 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bella, 3, #386 of 1542 🔗

There is mention of this on a new video on the Anna Brees yt channel.

Some very good videos starting to pop up on the channel

65835 Hammer Onats, replying to Hammer Onats, 17, #387 of 1542 🔗

I’m involved with youth work and have just received some “guidance” from our governing body. It includes: maximum group, including leaders, fifteen, no contact sport or indeed any activity that might involve touching share equipment, the meeting place to be thoroughly cleaned before and after use, the kids expected to not shout or laugh (in case it spreads “the virus”). And if you fail to follow the guidance you may not be covered by insurance. Well, as much as I like working with the kids, they can stick this firmly up their arse. I don’t think I will be the only volunteer unwilling to go along with this absurd “new normal”.

65858 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Hammer Onats, 7, #388 of 1542 🔗

Young people, but no shouting or laughing allowed? What kind of idiot devised this guidance?

65862 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Carrie, 6, #389 of 1542 🔗

Oh, the usual…

65872 ▶▶▶ Hammer Onats, replying to Carrie, 5, #390 of 1542 🔗

The guidance is mainly a copy and paste from Government guidance. So brought to us by the same fucking cretins who are responsible for the other idiocies forced on the population.

65871 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Hammer Onats, 11, #391 of 1542 🔗

We’re living under the New Puritans. Where’s Charles II when we need him?

65959 ▶▶▶ Ethelred the Unready, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #392 of 1542 🔗

“Great Boo’s up”

66042 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 2, #393 of 1542 🔗

Ha! Nice reference.

66158 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 2, #394 of 1542 🔗

Showing your age now.

65890 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Hammer Onats, 7, #395 of 1542 🔗

Remember, it’s not the “new normal”, it’s the “new abnormal”.

65843 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 27, #396 of 1542 🔗

We shall fight in the supermarkets, we shall fight for the cafes and takeaways, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the high street, we shall defend our boozers, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight for our liberty and sanity, we shall fight for our lives back, we shall fight for the butchers and for the bakers, we shall fight for the schools; we shall never surrender…. We shall go to the end…

65851 ▶▶ Hammer Onats, replying to Major Panic, 4, #397 of 1542 🔗

Unfortunately Major, I fear we may be defeated by the collaborators and Quislings within our society.

65868 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Hammer Onats, 13, #398 of 1542 🔗

We won’t have any of that defeatist talk around here!

First they ignore you , then they laugh at you , then they fight you , then you win.

65884 ▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #399 of 1542 🔗

Now they’ve reaches fight stage.

But so have we.

66155 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Hammer Onats, 3, #400 of 1542 🔗

Like living in Vichy or Occupied England at the moment.

When we win (optimist) everyone would have been in the resistance though.

66198 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #401 of 1542 🔗

nature of the beast

65876 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Major Panic, 3, #402 of 1542 🔗

I’m truly hoping that when they have been wearing disgusting face masks for a solid week whenever they go into a shop EVEN the most fervent masketeer will be fed up?

65845 Mark, replying to Mark, 5, #403 of 1542 🔗

Bringing the nation together in harmonious unity. Well done, Johnson, and all the rest of the buffoons in the Cabinet. And all the Labour, LibDem, SNP etc politician muppets whose only disagreement with it all is that they want to see it pushed further and harder.

Moment furious row breaks out on a Liverpool bus over masks as driver is forced to step in to stop passengers arguing about woman refusing to cover her face

65857 ▶▶ Will, replying to Mark, 1, #404 of 1542 🔗

Matter of time before someone is murdered.

65880 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, 5, #405 of 1542 🔗

I’m hopeful that the worst is now and that enthusiasm for the whole poisonous nonsense will reduce fairly rapidly, as people get experience with the things.

But I wouldn’t bet my life on it.

(Based on that brief clip, by the way, I like the bus driver. The woman with the glasses who seems to have set herself up as the mask police came across as the very worst kind of busybodying authority-worshipper, trying to boost her own self-image by virtue signalling and by using (she hopes) the external power of authority to impose her will on others. The eternal state snitch and collaborator.)

66535 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Will, #406 of 1542 🔗

Well at least that way they won’t have to trouble the NHS.

65852 Dan Clarke, 11, #407 of 1542 🔗

Never have so many been controlled by so few mentally unhinged

65860 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #408 of 1542 🔗

Holby City to restart filming. “First episodes will show people fighting the pandemic”. Good old B ring B ack C atastrophe. Keeping the Fear out there.

65873 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #409 of 1542 🔗

Even in the unlikely event that this crap stops before I die, the TV shows will be full of it for years. Glad I have shelves full of books written before 1968. I’m turning into my dad. He’d be spinning in his grave at all this shit. What did he fight in the war for?

66645 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, #410 of 1542 🔗

See if you can find books written by Alexander King.

65912 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Sam Vimes, #411 of 1542 🔗

Wonder how long it’ll run and how it will end?

66056 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Dan Clarke, #412 of 1542 🔗

apparently professor neil ferguson has a good track record predicting the future

65916 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #413 of 1542 🔗

Oh God! They’re all going to think it’s real life!

66171 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mr Dee, #414 of 1542 🔗

Yep. That is how these things work, sadly.

65918 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #415 of 1542 🔗

Will they show intubation killing people? Will they let us see the discharging of covid to care homes? How about a storyline showing an alarmed person with suspected corona that turns out to be just a sore throat. Oh! How about a story showing us how masks saved a granny ~~ ooh, better yet how about showing thugs not wearing a mask killing a granny!

65948 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Basics, 4, #416 of 1542 🔗

and i hope they show those areas of the NHS not concerned with covid ignoring other sicknesses and treatements … cancer wards with tumbleweed blowing through them, porters wearing masks all day and after 10 miles having to go to A&E for treatment for hypertension (happened to my mate last week_

66036 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #417 of 1542 🔗

It’ll just be an hour long TikTok dance routine.

66083 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #418 of 1542 🔗

They will likely have been given scripts to follow, to keep the psy-op going. I have substantial experience of working on film sets – social distancing is not possible – so I would suspect that re-starting filming is *only* being allowed if they send the ‘correct message’ re Covid 19, ie toe the government line..

65866 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 7, #419 of 1542 🔗

The connection between obesity and severity of Covid19 has been well known for months .It also explains why Boris ended up in hospital . Anyone with basic observational skills would have noticed the increasing prevalence of obesity in the British population over the last 30 years . The causes are multiple but include the reduction of jobs requiring physical labour, the increased use of cars instead of walking, cycling, the increased consumption of junk food.

Obesity is not good for anyone and is linked to diabetes type 2, heart disease, strokes and cancer. Unsurprisingly it is also linked to poorer outcomes from infections including Covid19 .

The recent paper from the pro lockdown magazine the Lancet pointed out that obesity in western countries like the UK and US would explain the difference in morbidity and mortality of Covid19.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30208-X/fulltext

This peer reviewed paper also noted that lockdowns had NO EFFECT ON COVID MORTALITY rates .

65877 ▶▶ GLT, replying to Peter Thompson, 2, #420 of 1542 🔗

See also research by PANDA in SAftica. Voluntary group of scientists and other specialists analysing data and calling out bad government policy. They have done some interesting regression analyses….obesity is a big factor as is the amount spent per capita on health (after accounting for age) and curiously blood type. They are calling for hypotheses from immunologists on the blood type correlation.

Obesity could be size, medications etc but also links between metabolic syndrome and inflammation in endothelial cells which Covid attacks.

65881 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Peter Thompson, 3, #421 of 1542 🔗

It’s only a matter of time before fat shaming becomes “the right thing to do”. Typical reasoning will be long these lines:

We are going through all this shit to protect the likes of you. The least you can do is stop stuffing your face out of gratitude.

65892 ▶▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #422 of 1542 🔗

Well at the moment we have ” fat pride ” .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_acceptance_movement

Sorry but obesity is a significant risk factor for many medical conditions and that is the reality.

65907 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Peter Thompson, 6, #423 of 1542 🔗

Yes I realise that obesity is a major strain on the NHS and needs addressing. We’re probably one of the worst nations for health here in Scotland.

My personal view is that we provide too many safety nets to people so that regardless of the choices they make in life they think that there will always be somebody there to save them.

The NHS is one such safety net. If it wasn’t there at all I wager people would make more of an effort to keep themselves healthy. I’m not saying we shouldn’t have it but people should be taught that it’s better to have it there and not need it than to think it will be there to save them nomatter what.

65958 ▶▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #424 of 1542 🔗

Not guilty fat person here – I did not eat all the pies – my thyroid packed up entirely when I was in my slender mid 30s. The same thing happened to a lot of my women friends at that time. My weight doubled in the few months after the birth of my 4th child.
Despite the T4 hormone replacement/exercise/careful diet its never shifted. My GP suggested it wouldn’t and that I work on being a ‘fit fat.’
It has been a grief – to be twice the woman I was – and I’ve never properly adjusted – in some degree due to the societal prejudice that I must be stupid, greedy and lazy to be fat. Please don’t make assuptions about fat people.
You have no idea…

65969 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kate, replying to gina, #425 of 1542 🔗

Yes, I want to defend the fat, as well. No-one would be fat if they could avoid it, the social disadvantage is immense. The people I see who are overweight nowadays really look ill to me, I think there is much more going on than overeating to cause this kind of disability, the weight distribution on the body is very abnormal, not at all like the fatties from the past..

67129 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Kate, #426 of 1542 🔗

I don’t think it’s overeating in most cases. Poor food choice is the main driving factor – exacerbated by government dietary guidelines.

65983 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to gina, #427 of 1542 🔗

People are unhealthy for various reasons but many people can do something about it. There are no assumptions here gina. I just don’t feel the need to point out every exception when discussing a topic.

The NHS should be there for people who need it, like yourself. Would you agree that if those who can put a little bit of effort into being healthier the NHS could provide a better service for those who can’t help themselves?

65999 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #428 of 1542 🔗

Ah – the ideal world…where people don’t do drugs, smoke, have unprotected sex with strangers or multiple partners, have babies they can’t care for or keep, don’t drink too much or go pot holing, climb moutains in inadequate gear or dangerous conditions, drive too fast…

66054 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to gina, -1, #429 of 1542 🔗

Would you rather people not try at all because that is the other extreme. If you don’t see that some sort of balance is necessary then there’s no discussion to be had.

66087 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #430 of 1542 🔗

Yes, if by “people” you mean government (which seems right from the context) then I would much prefer they keep their noses out of other people’s private choices and stop using collective healthcare as a pretext for bossing people around. And I’m neither fat nor a smoker or drug abuser, nor in general a big risk taker in any area (other than ceasing to habitually wear a seatbelt in response to the imposition of the law about it – I used to put it on automatically when getting into the car, but now I make a conscious rational assessment of the kind of driving I’m going to be doing and decide for myself in each case).

Private individuals and their organisations can do all they want to try to persuade others to live better and good luck to them, provided they stay within lawful and reasonable bounds.

66228 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Mark, #431 of 1542 🔗

So how did you disable the beeper?

66584 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to guy153, 2, #432 of 1542 🔗

I drive a 15 years old vehicle with no beeper (either not fitted or wasn’t working when I picked it up). Also have a newer one with the beeper and I just get nagged into submission by that one, but I prefer to drive the older one around mostly, except for long motorway/cross country journeys, for which I’d wear the seatbelt anyway.

66167 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to gina, 2, #433 of 1542 🔗

No drugs, ciggies, or driving fast ? How exactly is this an ideal world, gina ? 🙂

66656 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to JohnB, #434 of 1542 🔗

I was kind of being ironic – or trying to be…

65995 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to gina, 3, #435 of 1542 🔗

You are so right. The reason is that the NHS (and others) approach to thyroid problems is wrong. They fail to order the correct tests (mainly focus on THS and T4) and then treat it incorrectly.

Thyroid Madness Definition according to many reported patient experiences:

  1. Treating most hypothyroid patients with T4-only meds; offering no options.
  2. Dosing solely by the TSH and the total T4, or using the outdated “Thyroid Panel”.
  3. Prescribing anti-depressants in lieu of evaluating and treating the free T3.
  4. Telling thyroid patients that desiccated natural thyroid is “unreliable”, “inconsistent”, “dangerous” or “outdated”.
  5. Making labwork more important than the hypo symptoms which scream their presence.
  6. Failing to see the OBVIOUS symptoms of poorly treated thyroid, and instead, recommending a slew of other tests and diagnoses.

https://stopthethyroidmadness.com
https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/uk-thyroid-news/

66088 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Victoria, 3, #436 of 1542 🔗

Those sites are great and very helpful. T4 only is *not* suitable for all, you need T3 too. Gina, I would look for another doctor who can prescribe that – there are some about, who you will find on the ‘Stop the thyroid madness’ website.

66659 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to Carrie, #437 of 1542 🔗

thank you both for the heads up. Much appreciated.

66031 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to gina, 1, #438 of 1542 🔗

I’m fit, fat and happy – good place to be…

66044 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to Major Panic, 1, #439 of 1542 🔗

Bless ya!

66662 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #440 of 1542 🔗

All you people are complaining about the government intruding into your lives and here you are singing the praises of the Nanny State’s next target: obese people. They would love for you to support their latest crusade. It won’t be the last either. Be forewarned, you might find yourself on their hit list one day. Surprise! Go to their websites, like I did for Public Health in Quebec, and you will be shocked to see what they want to eliminate, what they want to control next. You better tell them now that you are not interested in their plans because they are just getting started and you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

66726 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to richard riewer, #441 of 1542 🔗

Enhanced Revenues from tobacco, alcohol and petrol coming soon with compulsory gratitude every Thursday evening.

65896 ▶▶ davews, replying to Peter Thompson, 3, #442 of 1542 🔗

I met the chap down the road the other day. He has been working at home during the pandemic. He looked very fat and he actually commented that he needed to lose some weight. So if working from home comes the new abnormal it is bad news for the obesity statistics.
(and as an aside, I realised the other day I have had an afternoon walk or similar every single day during the time. Not a single day where I have stayed in. So much for lockdown.)

65915 ▶▶▶ MDH, replying to davews, 13, #443 of 1542 🔗

Good for you. I have been out of the house at least once a day, most often twice. I’ve walked between four and eight miles a day. My weight is stable, and up until the facemask insanity, my mental state was pretty good, too.

My gut feeling from the outset was that this was a mass hysteria brought about my constant media exposure. My concern was that, if it really was an existential threat, I would have no ability to recognise it as such. So gut instinct was what I went on. at least to start with. But with every passing day, it seems that my instinct was correct.

I think that had I followed the government’s advice and stayed indoors (we have no outdoor space) I would be a gibbering wreck by now. And I wonder how many previously healthy people are in this very situation.

65956 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to davews, 2, #444 of 1542 🔗

Same here, although we do have a dog who needs to go out. Have come across many dog walkers who have mentioned how grateful they are to their pets for helping their sanity as well as health.

65909 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Peter Thompson, 4, #445 of 1542 🔗

My favourite Garfield

65913 ▶▶ sarnskeptic, replying to Peter Thompson, 6, #446 of 1542 🔗

This is absolutely true – but the question is how you fix it. Unsurprisingly, there’s a lot of differing opinions about what constitutes a good diet. During lent I fasted using a combination of a ketogenic diet, intermittent fasting and some longer water-only fasts. Lost 2 stone in six weeks, but I was eating a lot of saturated fat, salt, red meat, etc. All “bad” for you.

Surely people must recognise that obesity has significantly increased as government has become more interested in diet? Correlation doesn’t imply causation, but the last thing we need is the government getting “scientific” in another area of life. They’re still proving they don’t understand viruses, let alone diet.

65989 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Peter Thompson, 4, #447 of 1542 🔗

It’s more to do with overall health and lung function than just obesity.

My BMI with gone to seed rugby player build is 39. Recent work spirometry (we have to wear SCBA regularly due to poison gas) gave me between 97 and 134 and the pass mark for my age and ethnicity is 70.

Fat and unfit – problem; fat and reasonably fit, healthy(ish) diet, high bit C and Vit D3, good cholesterol levels (lung coating is mostly cholesterol plus lots of essential its like D require fat to work) and good lung function – OK.

Not as simple as Handjobs makes out.

Worst thing for you – processed vegetable oils.

66055 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #448 of 1542 🔗

BMI is a very crude system. Why oh why don’t the NHS use new technology such as Bioimpedance Analysis?

“A recent research exercise conducted by the HealthReach Clinic in Dublin has shown that Body Mass Index (BMI) could be very misleading in relation to the obesity levels in Ireland. The recent study conducted on 495 patients from Jan 2013 to November 2013 showed a significant difference between BMI and Tetra Bioelectrical Impedance Analysis (TBIA) test results.

BMI is the ratio of height (m) to weight (kg) in units of kg/m2 and is recommended by the World health Organisation (WHO) because it requires little skill, is cost free and is readily available. It does not differentiate between lean body weight, body fluid and fat body weight.

Bioimpedance testing will differentiate between these three components that make up a body’s total weigh. Biopemdedance testing has been used to determine the amount of body fat in a body. The type of bioimpedance equipment used and the skill of the operator play a significant role in getting accurate results.

The HealthReach results showed over 30% of patients who where within safe BMUI limits but who were shown to have excessive amounts of body fat when tested with TBIA. The use of BMI as a personal guide should not be recommended in testing on a weight management programme as it is too misleading.

It is of critical importance to anyone on a weight management programme that they fully understand the relationship between weight and body mass composition. Many people who make dietary changes can reduce the amount of lean body mass while maintaining unwanted body fat. To determine the effectiveness of lifestyle changes in a body weight management programme the importance of Body mass composition testing can not be understated.”

http://www.healthreach.ie/bia-v-bmi.html

66148 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Victoria, 1, #449 of 1542 🔗

Use a better system – can’t do that.

65874 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 55, #450 of 1542 🔗

Had my first venture out maskless with 7year old. All fine in the bank, a craft shop called “the works” and in the baker.

However a most awful experience in Waitrose. All shoppers masked. One man with wife said loudly “why is it all these people are walking around without masks”. He said it loudly and directed it at me. I went towards him and said as you have mentioned this very loudly, I have to tell you very loudly that I’m exempt. “Well I didn’t know that. You should wear a lanyard to make it easier for us”.

Easier for you? For you to be less of an aggressive judgemental arse? So I said “we are all supposed to be kind to each other and I find this aggressive, I don’t need to wear a lanyard”. “Well it would make it easier”. His wife piped in “come on Tony, just leave it”. At which point I asked for his surname and then said I’d make a complaint about him.

His wife did jump back at that point put her hand up and said “stay away from me”… like I was infected and would immediately cause her death.

I did complain to a staff member and he said if I feel threatened again then it would be dealt with. I’m not sure I handled it all extremely well but I’m looking out for threatening behaviour from others now and I will report it. That means being very calm, clear and assertive myself. I can do it mostly but it will take practice.

65882 ▶▶ GLT, replying to Country Mumkin, 11, #451 of 1542 🔗

Congratulations!

66150 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to GLT, 4, #452 of 1542 🔗

Thank you everyone. I feel very supported in doing my best to de-normalise mask wearing and call out aggressive behaviour.

I’ve also sent the school What’s App for mummies the online ‘us for them’ petition against mask-wearing in school.

It’s a fine balance between not getting into confrontation with those that feel they can behave aggressively and also doing what we feel is right.

66809 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #453 of 1542 🔗

Just to add, my sharing of petition from “us for the them” re masks for kids on facebook has been destroyed!

1 angry teacher wrote to me to send a picture of her autistic son wearing a mask “if he could can, all kids can, I’m petrified about going back to teach”.

Then another from a scientist (she’s a marine biologist) to say she thinks the school bubbles won’t work for highly infectious disease and she’s worried about sending her kid back to school. She thinks it unfair her child will lose school place if she doesn’t send back.

So I responded to them with compassion but also pointed out that as nosocomial disease, no social distancing when kids of key workers were in school and rest ofEurope in school already, so unlikely to see problem.

I suggested the scientist contact me privately for discussion and said I’d love like to understand her fears. Must reach out to the most anxious to help I feel.

I can’t find my evidence for nosocomial disease now tho… so if anyone has a handy link, I would appreciate you sharing ….

Thank you

65886 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Country Mumkin, 15, #454 of 1542 🔗

This is staggering, not so much for the wholly unnecessary and staggering verbal assault from the man, but that he did this when you had a child with you. Yes, we should all be kind to each other in these times, but the bar has to be set at a very high level when children are involved. Shame on them!

65895 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 11, #455 of 1542 🔗

thats a good idea – if anything like that happens just state firmly, ”SHAME ON YOU!”

Drops the ball back in their court…

65899 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Country Mumkin, 16, #456 of 1542 🔗

One man with wife said loudly “why is it all these people are walking around without masks”. He said it loudly and directed it at me. I went towards him and said as you have mentioned this very loudly, I have to tell you very loudly that I’m exempt. “Well I didn’t know that. You should wear a lanyard to make it easier for us” .”

Wish I’d been there. Nothing like defending an innocent to make one feel justified in a physical confrontation….

Easier for you? For you to be less of an aggressive judgemental arse ?”

That sums it up nicely.

65910 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Country Mumkin, 15, #457 of 1542 🔗

You did really well. It is hard to land into conflict without warning. You kept calm and stood firmly. Being calm is all that is needed. Your conduct more important than what you say. Five out of five!

65917 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Country Mumkin, 21, #458 of 1542 🔗

Let’s be clear.

This sort of confrontation is deliberately constructed by government. It’s not a by-product. It’s an inevitable result of the psy-ops.

65973 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to RickH, 6, #459 of 1542 🔗

Yes, it is really important to remember that. It’s straight from the SPI-B playbook and it works a treat on so many people.

I think you did brilliantly, CM, and such people have actually been made mentally ill. If this happens to me, I have decided to say, calmly, ‘you know, you are breaking the law by saying/asking that, don’t you?’ (Even the Government has actually spelled that out.)

You could also try the ‘Shame on you!’ tactic!

65923 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #460 of 1542 🔗

“Easier for us.”
Inadvertently, he gave away what this is really all about.
Well done, you reacted perfectly!

65935 ▶▶ JYC, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #461 of 1542 🔗

Is this what Cressida Dick wanted when she talked about mask-wearers shaming non mask wearers?

65974 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to JYC, 4, #462 of 1542 🔗

‘Seems like. Thanks for reminding me to write to our MP about her.

65949 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #463 of 1542 🔗

The guy sounds a bit of a bully too, assume you’re female – ask yourself if you were a 6ft tattooed biker type would he have said something so you’d hear it? I bet not.

66003 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #464 of 1542 🔗

Well done! How dare they treat innocent people like that? They are such biggots discriminating against people.

66420 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Country Mumkin, #465 of 1542 🔗

Well said.People should really just mind their own business.

65888 MaggieDew, 2, #466 of 1542 🔗

I am so glad you have published today. I was worried you weren’t going to and Lockdown Sceptics is the ONLY thing keeping me sane. I have been determined not to wear a mask and ignore ridiculous rules but it is a nightmare out there!! As one of your contributors said there are fewer and fewer people not wearing masks and some embracing it wholeheartedly. It is a very lonely and sometimes scary world for us Sceptics at the moment.

My best story so far was on Saturday evening when I was at Stratford (London) station returning from a day out with my son. It was pouring with rain and we arrived at the station to discover that they had closed the entrance nearest to the Shopping Centre. That meant a hike right round the station in the pouring rain to go through the one entrance to the station. By the time I got in I was furious and soaking wet. I marched up to one of the staff and demanded to know why they had shut one of the entrances, to be told it was due to “Social Distancing”, there were about 10 people on the whole of the concourse, which I pointed out. The response was to be told to put my mask on. I refused and was threatened with being thrown out of the station. I reminded him I was a customer and should be treated with respect. I demanded to see a manager. When the manager turned up I again questioned why they would close the entrance to the station that would be most convenient to the majority of travellers to again be told it was what they had been told to do so had to do it. I replied that they should open it anyway and argue with whoever told them to close it that it was ridiculous. I pointed out that I had more chance of dying from pneumonia due to the soaking I had got getting into the station than some virus that was in retreat. I have to say that the manager (who wasn’t wearing a mask) practically agreed with me but just shrugged his shoulders. He told me that they would be reopening the door on August 3rd!! I told him this nonsense would continue unchecked unless sensible people made their views known. I had a similar experience on Thames Clippers the next day! But I’m still fighting the lonely fight.

65893 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 24, #467 of 1542 🔗

So the government has shot itself in the foot again. Which one of the numpties who mandated facemasks in shops failed to see that it would quickly be demanded by teachers in the classroom? Yet another own goal by our spectacularly useless government. Johnson kickstarting the economy? He should be kicking himself.

65900 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Bugle, 5, #468 of 1542 🔗

can we kick him?

65903 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Major Panic, 12, #469 of 1542 🔗

Hey, there’s a queue here, you know…

65944 ▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Mark, 3, #470 of 1542 🔗

2 Metres apart in that queue if you do not mind.

Thank you.

65971 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bugle, 3, #471 of 1542 🔗

I’m not sure that the government is too worried about masks in schools – in fact they’d welcome it, wouldn’t they?

65991 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Julian, #472 of 1542 🔗

Yes, the more masks the better and it’s another one they can blame on the unions. Unfortunately, the unions are as brainwashed as everyone else.

66136 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 8, #473 of 1542 🔗

To make schoolkids of any age sit in classrooms for hours with masks on will amount to child abuse.

66127 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Julian, 5, #474 of 1542 🔗

The present policy in schools is no masks. I think many parents will see the introduction of masks as bad for health and therefore will not return their children to school – which will mean they have to stay away from work to look after them.

If the government maintains its present policy, many teachers will not return to school, which will have the same effect. If you see what I mean.

66728 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Julian, 1, #475 of 1542 🔗

Miss MISS! ! jonny tomkins took me to the bike shed pulled his mask down and flashed his FACE at me miss am i gonna die ?”

67165 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bugle, #476 of 1542 🔗

I don’t think they want the kids back in school. It would save a fortune and disempower the teachers’ unions at a stroke.

Theoretically we’ll soon have millions of unemployed parents, so the school babysitting service will be redundant.

Online is the name of the game.

Same with the NHS. They’re already doing it for consultations whenever possible.

65898 ted, replying to ted, 3, #477 of 1542 🔗

Hi Toby, re: Stop the press. US colleges and universities became totalitarian training grounds sometime in the past two decades. Though, until now, this was mostly in regard to the culture wars and policing the political and sexual aspects of campus life. Now, we see the great vim and vigor with which many if not most faculty and administrators seek to control literally every breath and movement of students on and off campus.

As an example, https://www.chronicle.com/article/students-are-spreading-covid-19-off-campus-heres-how-colleges-can-stop-it

Good grief! I am advising all youths I talk to to take a gap year, there is going to be a high need for all sorts of volunteers given the economic devastation that is gaining momentum at the moment. Colleges and Unis need a good bloody nose for their role in amping this madness from the beginning.

65968 ▶▶ Julian, replying to ted, 3, #478 of 1542 🔗

Sadly I have heard that at UCL in London they will insist on masks while moving around campus. I think that gives an indication of how they intend to approach the covid issue going forward – “safety” first, distancing, masks, bars closed, no singing, no social life, society activity restricted – regardless of anything the government rows back on, universities will be the last to get back to normal, unless students vote with their feet – but they’d need to have the choice of a “normal” student experience and I can’t see anyone offering that.

66011 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Julian, 2, #479 of 1542 🔗

Online Universities will become more popular. Most of them provide better ‘academic training’ in any case.

Yes I know you won’t get the student experience but maybe in these circumstances it is overrated

66090 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Victoria, 4, #480 of 1542 🔗

Indeed, from what I have seen educationally a lot of unis are not really value for money, but I think at least some offer a great social and life experience for the students who want that, and that just won’t be on offer any more, at least “officially”. I hope they rebel and break all the rules. Sex and drugs and rock’n’roll may save our youth.

66132 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Julian, 4, #481 of 1542 🔗

The whole point of going to uni is to get drunk a lot, and have fun, and s*x.
Most of that seems to be off the menu. It’s a shedload of £debt, for probable unemployment afterwards.
They’d be better avoiding universities and doing an apprenticeship instead, in something not easily replaced by someone working in another country.

66582 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Julian, #482 of 1542 🔗

One of the cambridge oxford ones have said all will be online for next academic year, deferring not allowed.

65911 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 25, #483 of 1542 🔗

We’re on stage 2:

Truth Passes Through Three Stages: First, It Is Ridiculed. Second, It Is Violently Opposed. Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident

We will be vindicated, eventually.

65945 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Awkward Git, #484 of 1542 🔗

I sincerely hope so – the heady days of locking down for 3 weeks to “save rNHS” are a distant memory now.

65970 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #485 of 1542 🔗

Not too eventually I hope. Would like to be vindicated soon. Like before the News At Six.

66078 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #486 of 1542 🔗

Oops I speed read and thought you said you’d like to be vaccinated soon! 😅 😅

66138 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Bella Donna, #487 of 1542 🔗

No had my glasses on and checked the auto-correct so it’s OK.

Normally you’d be right though.

65922 Kate, #488 of 1542 🔗

Hi My first post here. This interview with Robert Kennedy Jr on the capture of all our public health regulatory agencies by industry (Big Pharma) makes it clear that however this so – called pandemic started the outcome they are gunning for is increased, possibly mandatory vaccination, liability free at a profit of billions to the vaccine giants.

He mentions that the pharmaceutical companies fabricate pandemics in order to sell vaccines at 10.32
I think our politicians are so ignorant that possibly most of them understand very little of the medical issues and will simply do their advisers bidding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CfLDXpC324

65924 Sam Vimes, 2, #489 of 1542 🔗

Bon Jovi song just on radio, wasn’t really listening, until I heard “PPE” and “succumb to this disease”. FFS! Radio off.

65925 Mike Collins, replying to Mike Collins, 5, #490 of 1542 🔗

I’m pleased that somebody has put some sense to the risk from C19 to us oldies who may be carrying a little more timber than they’d like. More worryingly, I hear that when investigated everybody who has died had seen a bus at least twice in the last 12mths, it’s amazing what you can stupidly link to things if you give it a try.

66057 ▶▶ annie, replying to Mike Collins, 3, #491 of 1542 🔗

You are at greater risk if you have

  1. freckles
  2. warts
  3. a stye in your eye
  4. projecting teeth
  5. flatulence
  6. bad breath
  7. ants in your pants
  8. a bee in your bonnet
  9. piles
  10. anything else.
66104 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to annie, 2, #492 of 1542 🔗

luckily i havn’t got anything else

65927 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 3, #493 of 1542 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/global-report-china-reports-biggest-covid-19-surge-in-months-as-australia-sets-new-infections-record

Don’t you just love The Guardian? Bad news, bad news, all the way down the article, until the very last line, when the situation in NZ is reported. And in Papua New Guinea is we have:

Papua New Guinea
Coronavirus cases in Papua New Guinea double in days

Which translates to:

A fortnight ago, the country had recorded just 11 cases of Covid-19. This jumped to 32 by Friday last week, and to 62 by Sunday.

65998 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Tenchy, 13, #494 of 1542 🔗

…..Because they did 250,000 tests.

I cannot express how much I hate the media right now. With all my being.

“Cases jumped from 11 to 33 (usually 😉 ) to 62!! OH MY GOD!!

….. out of 200,000 tests. But we’re not going to tell you that!”

65929 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 18, #495 of 1542 🔗

No problems shopping maskless in SW6 today, not even in the post office. I avoided the Waitrose like the plague, of course.
Positively surprised that about 30% of customers didn’t wear one either in the Coop.
Maybe there’s hope that the tide has started to turn, at least in some places….

65938 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Jay Berger, 7, #496 of 1542 🔗

I’m just back from the supermarket, all barring me were masked.

A question.

If any of you cut yourself and need a plaster.

If I gave you a plaster that I’ve unwrapped and handled would you happily put it on your wound?

66026 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to stefarm, 2, #497 of 1542 🔗

Is this a trick question? Yes, of course. As far as the chance of you having Covid goes, it’s highly unlikely. Even in the unlikely event that I caught it I would have a very small chance of dying from it. Of course, there’s always the possibility of other infections but I don’t think I would worry overmuch.

66045 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Chicot, #498 of 1542 🔗

Not a trick question, I’m thinking along the lines of putting a sterile plaster on a wound, not a manky plaster I pulled from my pocket.

Rather like the people in the supermarket wearing manky home made masks or constantly fiddling with their mask.

66086 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to stefarm, #499 of 1542 🔗

If you washed your hands first and you did not touch the sterile bit. We all need a little help sometimes!

66253 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 3, #500 of 1542 🔗

This is now a highly complex operation similar to paracetamol being given by an employer to an employee. I believe the correct answer is bleed to death because you may have an alergic reaction to the plaster and sue, if my red cross training is up to date.

65942 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Jay Berger, #501 of 1542 🔗

It may just be dawning that not only are they EXTREMELY nasty to wear – the “reasons” behind sudden mask promotion are just a little bit fishy?

65930 Oldschool, replying to Oldschool, 26, #502 of 1542 🔗

Just spent 5 minutes enjoying myself screwing with the Romanian police
One of the draconian measures introduced here is that if you been in contact with someone who has tested positive you need to quarantine at home for 14 days and the police will check on you to make sure you are not out killing everyone, if they catch you out they can issue you with a fine, if they catch you twice they can move you to a “supervised” quarantine location
They need to issue you with a paper officially telling you this and the police need to come to your house and issue you with the papers
The police have just been here to issue my paper and the papers for my three 9 year old kids, yes they issue papers to 9 year olds
I saw them come, 2 of them in a car, I have a long drive with no intercom at the gate so I could see them wondering how to contact the house, they obviously did not have a phone number for me
They decided to tape the notices to my gate, I let them get one on there then operated the gate, so it started to open, I let the gate get fully open and then went on balcony and told them to drive up to the house, they told me they didn’t want to do that and I should come and get the papers. I walked down the drive unmuzzled and coughing theatrically, the both jumped back in the car and told me to put a mask on, I told them I hadn’t got one plus I was on my own property so didn’t need to wear one.
The told me they are here to issue the papers and I had to sign for them, so I told them to hand them to me, they looked terrified and told me that I should let them tape them to the gate and then I could pick them up from there, sign them and return the copy to them
I agreed to this and made sure I coughed theatrically the whole time while signing them.
I put them back on the gate and waited while they debated who was going to get the obviously contaminated papers off the gate, eventually the older copper took an executive decision and sent the younger one to get the signed papers, he put on gloves and very gingerly took the papers and got back in the car, obviously terrified. The young copper was around 25 and looked as fit as a fiddle
They will probably need to come every day to check I am here, so there will plenty of opportunity to screw with them more I am sure, I might the kids involved next time

65933 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Oldschool, 2, #503 of 1542 🔗

sounds like they need to quarentine for 14 days

65937 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Oldschool, 2, #504 of 1542 🔗

Keystone Cops meets real-life.

Well done. I’m impressed.

65992 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Oldschool, 9, #505 of 1542 🔗

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck me this shit is dystopian

66565 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Oldschool, #506 of 1542 🔗

That was utterly hilarious Oldschool!! Best one I’ve read all day.
This comment section is pure gold, thank you all for contributing

65931 RickH, 2, #507 of 1542 🔗

If anyone is interested in developments re. vaccines, I suggest a read of the following :

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/the-ethics-of-covid-19-treatment-studies-too-many-are-open-too-few-are-double-masked/

65946 smileymiley, replying to smileymiley, 9, #509 of 1542 🔗

Latest from Leicestershire
Coronavirus: Leicester infection rate drops again

Amy Orton

Local Democracy Reporter

Leicester’s seven-day infection rate has significantly dropped again – less than a week before a decision on the local lockdown is due.

It still has the second highest rate in the country, but it has seen a decrease in cases in the week before 24 July.

The city’s rate has dropped from 77.7 per 100,000 people in the week before 17 July to 58.6.

The current rate is less than half of what it was when the lockdown was extended at the end of June, when the 135 cases per 100,000 people seven-day rate saw Health Secretary Matt Hancock put the city and some surrounding areas into a localised lockdown.

A total of 208 cases were confirmed in the week before 24 July, in comparison to 276 in the seven days up to 17 July.

In Leicestershire, which includes the locked-down Oadby and Wigston, the seven-day infection rate is 11 per 100,000 people, with 63 new cases identified in the week before 24 July.

11 per 100,000!

65950 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to smileymiley, 3, #510 of 1542 🔗

Did anyone end up needing to go to hospital after all that?

65962 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Major Panic, 6, #511 of 1542 🔗

Did anyone even have any symptoms?

65963 ▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Major Panic, 9, #512 of 1542 🔗

Nope… no increase in hospital admissions or deaths!

65985 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to smileymiley, 1, #513 of 1542 🔗

Is that rtPCR “cases,” IgM “cases,” or IgG “cases;” they all mean very different things…

66027 ▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to IMoz, 1, #514 of 1542 🔗

Dunno….

Just from East Midlands BBC…

Yes I know the beeb are economical with the truth!

66135 ▶▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to smileymiley, 1, #515 of 1542 🔗

That’s the problem with the media: they’ve gone from getting people who know about science to report on science to mere stenographers who have no clue what they’re reporting on 😉

65987 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to smileymiley, 10, #516 of 1542 🔗

We keep getting reports of infections but they are only reports of +ve dodgy pillar 2 Covid tests. An infection is someone with clinically diagnosed symptoms, possibly backed up by a test.There are reports from Canada and Italy of people who recovered from Covid ages ago but are still testing +ve, because the Covid PCR test looks for RNA particles that it can amplify, it can do this with infected material or remnants of virus RNA that are still present after the infection has been ‘zapped’.
The test and trace system has become a monster to which we are all being asked to bow down, it was supposed to be helpful but it is more like an exercise in self flagellation. It is turning Covid 19 into a ‘Hotel California’ scenario, you can get well anytime you like but you can never leave!

65994 ▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #517 of 1542 🔗

Yup, the Koreans got in a right mess when they “proclaimed” that you can get COVID-19 again even after you recover (made huge news rounds even here), they had to backtrack because they realise that rtPCR was picking up fragments from dead epithelial cells (that have a half-life of three months) [1], but that hardly made it into the news here.

1. http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200429000724

66061 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #518 of 1542 🔗

Yes so true. Do not get tested

66109 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Steve Martindale, #519 of 1542 🔗

Didn’t these tests also get positive results on stored serum samples (from blood donors – whole blood can’t be frozen, but the plasma or serum can) from two years ago??

66071 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to smileymiley, #520 of 1542 🔗

That’s mental!

65951 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #521 of 1542 🔗

I am an amateur photographer and receive an online newsletter from Canon, one has just arrived via email, all looks very interesting until I got to:

FOOTAGE FROM THE FRONT:
DOCUMENTING CORONAVIRUS

No escape

65980 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Dave #KBF, #522 of 1542 🔗

Why I’ve cancelled most subscriptions – and told them as well but no reply from any of them.

65952 NickR, replying to NickR, 14, #523 of 1542 🔗

The link with obesity has been known for months, watch some of the stuff Ivor Cummins has been posting.
Likewise, it’s been known for months that vitamin c, d & zinc helps. All the doctors I know take these vitamin supplements daily.
The key question is why hasn’t Chris Whitty & co been saying this. How much more useful it would have been to encourage people outside than to stay inside. To get fresh air not wear a mask, to walk for an hour a day not sit stuffing your face on the sofa. This really isn’t rocket science.

65965 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to NickR, 6, #524 of 1542 🔗

Are you a betting man? I’ll wager it will be masks whenever outside soon….

66023 ▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to T. Prince, 3, #525 of 1542 🔗

I regretfully think you are right on that.

But I’ll never wear one!

66139 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to T. Prince, 2, #526 of 1542 🔗

No, first it will be gloves – the MSM are already planting pics of people in both masks and gloves in newspapers and web articles.. just like they did to ‘soften us up’ for masks..

66179 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to T. Prince, 1, #527 of 1542 🔗

if they want people to lose weight making them wear masks to go for a walk/jog would be a big turnoff. i simply would refuse to wear a mask in the middle of the countryside walk – utter tosh not matter what stazi fines they may threaten with. This is really turning into a shitshow and we need to get out and protest or something.

65976 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to NickR, 16, #528 of 1542 🔗

Yes, that is the big question.

Why has the Government and NHS failed to mention that improving your immune system is critical to fight Covid-19 (and all other viruses, bacteria and pathogens)? Many lives would be saved and the whole population will be healthier and the pressure on the NHS will be much less.

Vitamin C, D and Zinc are highly effective but is heavily censored by the authorities with the assistance of social media. Anyone dare to mention these nutrients are made out as lunatics that spread false information.

So please be advised at this stage the Authorities do not care about our health.

If we are serious about our health we unfortunately cannot depend on Government health propaganda or our doctors as most of the advice is wrong and sometimes dangerous. We will need to become interested in health and this include reading information on non-mainstream sites, many of which are unfortunately mislabeled as spreading misinformation (same approach as all of us reading information on this and other non-MSM sites).

66009 ▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to Victoria, 1, #529 of 1542 🔗

Exactly this…not a SINGLE mention of immune system wellbeing.

For me it shows that the past four months have been nothing to do with public health at all.

I’d like to give your post multiple thumbs up, but then again, I would be just as bad as the way CV cases are being counted.

66069 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Victoria, 2, #530 of 1542 🔗

Yep we are already upping our vitamins in our household.

66980 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Victoria, #531 of 1542 🔗

Private Eye ,I think it is the recent one, has a piece in it called National Sickness Service, and other stuff on many factors ,environmental, lifestyle ,diet etc. can conrtibute to low immunity to such as the ‘virus,’

65979 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to NickR, 4, #532 of 1542 🔗

Because those are cheap and they (plus many others) are all linked to Bill Gates and expensive vaccines.

65982 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 1, #533 of 1542 🔗

Obesity is just one of many indicators of physical malfunction – the fact that such is linked to vulnerability isn’t news.Nothing to do with Covid per se.

66014 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to NickR, 7, #534 of 1542 🔗

Along similar lines, why the complete silence over who was behind the fraudulent study that discredited Hydroxychloroquine? You would think that someone faking data to discredit a drug that might possibly save the lives of people suffering from The Great Plague would be a very serious crime and big news. Yet it has been quietly forgotten and as far as I know no one has even bothered investigating this.

66067 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Chicot, 1, #535 of 1542 🔗

Interestingly those voicing opinions contrary to what government thinks is rightthink are called conspiracy loons. There is a definite conspiracy and its against the people.

66064 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to NickR, 6, #536 of 1542 🔗

Hydroxychloroquine and Zinc were recommended right from the start but Big Pharma had other ideas. They don’t want a cheap and effective drug they want to vaccinate and microchip us. An interesting fact in Italy 60,000 were taking Hydroxychloroquine for existing ailments and it was found none died from Covid.

66096 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to NickR, 3, #537 of 1542 🔗

Why is no one also talking about the medication that’s been shown to be successful elsewhere, including the much-maligned (because Orange Man Bad) hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin with Zinc? Survival rates have improved and symptoms have been alleviated by doctors prescribing those drugs (HcQ being very cheap).

66144 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Lms23, 3, #538 of 1542 🔗

Because they want to vaccinate and chip us…

67337 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Lms23, #539 of 1542 🔗

Re. The Hydroxychloroquine issue is covered magnificently by Front Line Doctors Speak Out on Covid,cues and misinformation , banned but hopefully still on David Ickes site.

66137 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to NickR, 2, #540 of 1542 🔗

Easy answer – you cannot patent a natural substance like vitamin D. Big Pharma will never promote anything it cannot patent and make megabucks from. Further, they deliberately ‘rubbish’ any studies showing natural substances work..

66202 ▶▶▶ PowerCorrupts, replying to Carrie, #541 of 1542 🔗

Or even pharma ones that work, like hydroxychloroquine when they are really really cheap:the NewsWeek article is really essential reading:
Yale Professor Risch says the key is hydroxychloroquine & we need to start using it: (in case NewsWeek take the article down I have a copy I can email)

https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535

65955 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 12, #542 of 1542 🔗

Looks like the Goblin’s bed wetting focus groups like the latest absurd quarentine – so we will be getting more of this pointless nonsense.

Real people having their holidays ruined by pathetic corrona-pussies

65964 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Major Panic, 4, #543 of 1542 🔗

France, Germany next. Just another day in clown world

65966 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 3, #544 of 1542 🔗

It’s plausible conspiracy time. Let’s assume that someone spiked PM Boris Johnson’s food with a virus. He ends up in hospital. ICU. While there did he have any visitors? Any phone calls? Incoming/Outgoing? CCTV footage and cellphone records would give us the answer. Let’s pretend that some of those phone calls were being monitored from who knows where (MI6, the W.H.O.) who knows? Let’s now pretend that after said phone call(s), Boris received an anonymous, or veiled threat, phone call(s), telling him that his herd immunity idea was a no go. Drop it. Capiche! Let’s also pretend that Boris has something in his past that could lose him the PM job, like Citizen Kane. Dirt on cabinet members is also plausible. If any of this is true, then we need to find out who it was and expose them. The latest media blitz about glove wearing, mask wearing. still stubbornly protecting the NHS, contact tracing, a new attack on obesity, quarantining vacationers, etc etc, looks very similar to the blueprint from The World Economic Forum manifesto and its latest developping goals and plans for the human race:
https://www.weforum.org/

65972 ▶▶ peter charles, replying to richard riewer, #545 of 1542 🔗

All this seems more plausible than they can be this stupid and incompetent

65975 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to richard riewer, #546 of 1542 🔗

I did think at the time he might be getting an offer he couldn’t refuse, ie he wasn’t in hospital at all and locked up somewhere to chew over an ultimatum.
I thought Brexit developments would be an indicator as to whether something like that had happened but ‘so far’ we seem to be holding course in that regard.

65978 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to richard riewer, 4, #547 of 1542 🔗

”that someone spiked PM Boris Johnson’s food with a virus. He ends up in hospital. ICU”

Good idea – whats the plan?

65984 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to richard riewer, 1, #548 of 1542 🔗

Great idea but he went into hospital several days after the lockdown.

66007 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #549 of 1542 🔗

we are thinking more of the ebola virus this time – not a nasty cough

66010 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #550 of 1542 🔗

He rose on Easter Sunday too. Was it deliberate symbolism? He’s certainly arrogant enough.

66125 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #551 of 1542 🔗

Now that bit – the timing of his discharge – was DEFINITELY deliberately chosen for the symbolism!

What happened to the 2 nurses who looked after him? Wasn’t one from NZ? I always wondered if she was deliberately chosen, because she would likely have been on a work visa that the government could threaten to revoke if she did not keep schtum…

66173 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Carrie, 2, #552 of 1542 🔗

carrie the 2 nurses one woman from NZ and a bloke nurse from Portugal i believe. Probably chosen to demonstrate how much reliance we have on commonwealth / external staff.

66256 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #553 of 1542 🔗

Talking about symbolism, I can’t believe that I am the first to notice that ‘muzzle up day’ was July 24th – ie 24/7 – symbolising how long you will be expected to wear them for the rest of your lives.

Sometimes being old and only a few years away from death has definite advantages.

66028 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to richard riewer, 1, #554 of 1542 🔗

He had two extra-special visitors to Downing Street on May 19.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-call-with-bill-and-melinda-gates-19-may-2020

66128 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #555 of 1542 🔗

That is the relationship I am most concerned about…

66131 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #556 of 1542 🔗

He was receiving his new orders.

66074 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to richard riewer, 1, #557 of 1542 🔗

Let’s assume that someone spiked PM Boris Johnson’s food with a virus. He ends up in hospital. ICU.

Why not assume that Boris and his inner circle realise that lockdown was a mistake and need a plausible story to justify having plunged the country into disaster. What could be better than the PM himself having Covid? No need to actually have it of course: just hide away for a couple of weeks at Chevening like he did a few weeks previously for black eye-gate.

Or maybe Western leaders draw straws to see who will be the one who ‘has Covid’ for PR reasons. Boris is that leader.

Or that he has a mental breakdown and needs ‘rest’? A story is put out that he has Covid and is in an ICU.

66130 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Barney McGrew, #558 of 1542 🔗

I also think it was a bit suspicious that Prince Charles got it…

66718 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Barney McGrew, #559 of 1542 🔗

What I would like to know is who came to visit him, who called him on the phone while he was convalescing and whether his calls were being wiretapped or intercepted. Also, given that he was, and still is, relatively new to the job, whether his first impulse to go with herd immunity was just the result of not yet being totally in the loop and that he was told in no uncertain terms that would have to be taken off the table, so to speak. When the Quebec Liberal Party won the provincial election six years ago one of the first people to visit our new Premier was Christine Lagarde.

66093 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to richard riewer, 2, #560 of 1542 🔗

Also from the WEF webpage:

“How the media and entertainment industry is addressing systemic racism
Marcus Burke 24 Jul 2020″

Football commentary has a racial bias problem, a new study says
Charlotte Edmond 21 Jul 2020

5 ways racism is bad for business – and what we can do about it
Adwoa Bagalini 14 Jul 2020”

One good way to stop racism: STOP TALKING ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME!!!

66187 ▶▶ PowerCorrupts, replying to richard riewer, #561 of 1542 🔗

Sadly, Johnson is signed up to the authoritarian takeover, he is fully on board with Gates’ mass vaccines, trackings/urveillance, ideally together, the 5G is essential for that to work. He’s apparently had 3-4 meetings with Gates, including at the UN Summit. He’s been a convincing actor, I was taken in:
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/who-controls-british-government-response-covid19-part-one
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/covid–19-big-pharma-players-behind-uk-government-lockdown

66196 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to PowerCorrupts, #562 of 1542 🔗

Read Johnson’s article about depopulation, he’s in it up to his neck:

https://www.boris-johnson.com/2007/10/25/global-population-control/

66209 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #563 of 1542 🔗

Coming from somebody who has about 15 children I’ll file this together with his advice about losing weight.

66719 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to guy153, #564 of 1542 🔗

Does he know all their names?

66243 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Awkward Git, #565 of 1542 🔗

Those are some heavily moderated comments.

66268 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Awkward Git, #566 of 1542 🔗

Wow! something from BJ that I can actually agree with.

(apart from the shit about global warming).

BTW 70 years old, devoutly heterosexual, married and zero children, by choice, so you can call me whatever names you like, but hypocrite is not one of them.

66370 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to richard riewer, #567 of 1542 🔗

They threatened him with the withdrawal of financial support. Do as we say or we pull the plug on the UK’s debt.

65967 stec, #568 of 1542 🔗

In Spain, returning to UK in a couple of weeks (driving via france and tunnel). Does anyone know the legality of these newly announced 14 day self-isolation decree. Is it guidance/advise/law? Is it just for airbridge travellers?

65997 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #569 of 1542 🔗

Richie is joined by the filmmaker and journalist Richard Willett. Rick came on to chat about his new film “Primed For Panic,” a feature length documentary that investigates the real life effects of the lockdown and asks the following questions; was it essential and what are we left with in terms of our future? Filmed during the Lockdown as it happened and where it happened, Primed For Panic documents the lives of those affected all over the world from the UK, New Zealand to the US and Europe, as we take an in depth look at not only the emotional and psychological effects of being locked in your home, but also the rolling out of new technologies, the crumbling of our economy and what this truly means for a world that will never be the same. https://vimeo.com/ondemand/primedforpanic

66001 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to richard riewer, #570 of 1542 🔗

Sorry, I’m too depressed already to watch it.

66722 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to bluemoon, #571 of 1542 🔗

Try this clip (with Peter Sellers) from Dr Strangelove, it might give you a chuckle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY

66002 Mrs Two-Six, 1, #572 of 1542 🔗

Hi there,
My first post…on a bit of an adrenaline rush and need to share! Wasn’t planning on any shopping trips whilst the face mask measure is in place but needed a prescription. Left work and walked to town in a bit of a state, do I hold a scarf up, use my exemption card? Gah, what to do? Started laughing to myself (out loud) in an almost hysterical, nervous manner which kept building!! Stuffed the scarf in my bag and put the card in my pocket in case I felt it was needed. I knew I would feel deflated and like I’d let myself down if I didn’t go in bare face. Walked in, said hello to the member of staff (she was unmasked) who was in one of the aisles, was ready to show my card but she couldn’t have cared less. Pharmacy – fine, no problems…except I have to go and do it all again tomorrow as medication not in stock!! Argh! Left the shop, masked lady at the door and one walking toward shop, neither said anything. Made eye contact with both. Street full of masked up people -it felt really good not being one of them. Weirdest feeling ever! After all, it is only going into a shop – not really something that should produce such elation. Need a drink now!! Lovely to meet you all, hopefully one day in person. Mrs two-Six

66006 Jonathan Castro, replying to Jonathan Castro, 14, #573 of 1542 🔗

Report from Sainsbury’s Burpham (Guildford): much more relaxed than the Brookwood store. Quite a few staff not wearing masks. Saw one other customer without a mask. Checkout lady (not masked) was happy to see me. I got the impression the staff know it’s all BS. I didn’t notice the plastic screens much either, so maybe they’ve taken some of them down.

66022 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Jonathan Castro, 3, #574 of 1542 🔗

I love the fact there’s a place called Burpham

66051 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Farinances, 5, #575 of 1542 🔗

Burping gives you Covid.
Ham makes you fat,
Be very afraid.

66194 ▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Farinances, #576 of 1542 🔗

There’s a Twatt in Orkney…

66241 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to DJ Dod, #577 of 1542 🔗

And a Wank in Austria

66288 ▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to matt, #578 of 1542 🔗

Well, the Swiss football team Young Boys play at the Wankdorf stadium. Imagine telling someone you’re off to watch young boys at the Wankdorf …

66413 ▶▶▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to matt, #579 of 1542 🔗

Are you thinking of the picturesque Wank mountain, near Garmisch-Partenkirchen? I used to enjoy a ride on the Wankbahn!

66274 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to DJ Dod, 4, #580 of 1542 🔗

And a Tosser in 10 Downing St

66013 smileymiley, replying to smileymiley, 14, #581 of 1542 🔗

Another good one from Simon Dolan

This is beginning to look deliberate…

“Just heard from my friend that her son and father and father’s wife are all going to Spain to visit family.On the way back son and father must quarantine for 2 weeks. The wife? Not. Why? Because she is a carer in a care home”

What utter stupidity!
It’s falling apart.

66017 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to smileymiley, 3, #582 of 1542 🔗

It never came together

66019 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to smileymiley, 6, #583 of 1542 🔗

So they’re basically doing the disastrous care home policy all over again?

LOL

66021 ▶▶ alw, replying to smileymiley, 9, #584 of 1542 🔗

Similar stories around.Can I class myself as a care worker because I cook dinner for my husband every evening?

66034 ▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to alw, #585 of 1542 🔗

Indubitably 👍

66112 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to smileymiley, 3, #586 of 1542 🔗

So the one person in the family who could potentially spread the virus is the one who does not have to quarantine?! Crazy…

66015 alw, replying to alw, 8, #587 of 1542 🔗

The article by Handjob in the Torygraph online quickly disappeared probably because all the comments were so scathing and negative.

66016 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to alw, #588 of 1542 🔗

Agh shit i hope managed to get some ss

66020 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to alw, #589 of 1542 🔗

The worms are turning?

66025 ▶▶ DRW, replying to alw, #590 of 1542 🔗

Did anyone get some highlights?

66085 ▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to alw, #592 of 1542 🔗

There are no comments any more! 😂 😂 😂

66091 ▶▶▶▶▶ DocRC, replying to Farinances, #593 of 1542 🔗

Just looked and the comments are still there……and still no positive ones!

66126 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to DocRC, 1, #594 of 1542 🔗

Crap that means my phone is buggered

66133 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to DocRC, 4, #595 of 1542 🔗

OK – jumped on desktop – and yes.

Top comment
“Will Rees 27 Jul 2020 12:45AM
Perhaps we should have 20 minutes of televised national Community Exercise, you know, like they had in Mao’s China, and Nineteen Eighty-Four?
This government is a joke.”

Didn’t this already kinda happen with Joe Wicks and his godawful front room PE lessons?

66075 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to alw, 3, #596 of 1542 🔗

Amazing. I couldn’t find a single positive comment. I wonder if Handjob has a minion to inform him how his article is being received?

66032 stefarm, 11, #597 of 1542 🔗

‘They’

The
Hierarchy
Enslaving
You

They are telling you to wear a mask, they are telling you when to wear a mask, they are telling you when to go out, they are telling you who to see, they are telling you to police and ridicule your fellow man, they are telling you where to go.

66040 smileymiley, replying to smileymiley, 5, #598 of 1542 🔗

Another cracker!!

@simondolan the Co-op wants you to lower your mask for ID purposes, how contradictory is that? https://t.co/gpoKi8MZpH

66052 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to smileymiley, 3, #599 of 1542 🔗

😂 😂 😂

66053 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to smileymiley, 7, #600 of 1542 🔗

It makes every bit as much sense as “If you stand at the counter in a cafe, the cafe is a shop, but if you sit down, the shop becomes a cafe”.

66108 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to smileymiley, 1, #601 of 1542 🔗

It would be funny to have a ‘coughing fit’ just as you lowered your mask, or to sneeze!!!

66168 ▶▶ PowerCorrupts, replying to smileymiley, #602 of 1542 🔗

I thought the Coop said they weren’t going to enforce masks, have they caved in?

66043 Templeton, #603 of 1542 🔗

But the new “Eat Out to Help Out” scheme includes fast food outlets.
Erm….

66046 Fed up, replying to Fed up, 6, #604 of 1542 🔗

How would everyone losing 5lbs save the NHS £100 million pounds? How does that work? Is this based on more modelling?

66058 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to Fed up, 1, #605 of 1542 🔗

per week

66063 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Fed up, 2, #606 of 1542 🔗

ha ha based on science . we all know what that means

66156 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Fed up, #608 of 1542 🔗

If you assume Hancock is continuing to talk out of his backside ignore him!

66161 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Fed up, 1, #609 of 1542 🔗

the laugh is that ‘ol Rishi’s cheap lunchtime deals are starting later this week – it’s going to save the economy (yeah right!) but not your waistline.
holy cow where did we get the flippin patronising politicians from???

66049 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 10, #610 of 1542 🔗

So, has Fergusson said that 500000 cats will die unless pet store owners wear jockstraps yet?

66151 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Sam Vimes, #611 of 1542 🔗

😅 😅 😅 😅 😅

66059 Biker, replying to Biker, 15, #612 of 1542 🔗

The fatty story is terrible for me, I’m a 6’3 12 stone slim geezer and i’ve a disposition that insist i must not do what the government tells me so now i’m going to be forced to stuff my thin ass until i’m a fat bastard. I’m not looking forward to this because fat people are fat and having never been fat i don’t know how i’ll cope. How do you wipe your arse? if your wife is fat how do you fuck? Where do these massive creatures buy their leggings that show of their fat chuffs as they waddle down the street eating a Greggs? The list of questions spinning thru my wandering mind are endless.

66062 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Biker, 4, #613 of 1542 🔗

When you ride, Biker, do you have to wear a mask inside your helmet, because your head is in an ‘enclosed space’? I think we need clear guidance.

66068 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Sam Vimes, 17, #614 of 1542 🔗

don’t tell anyone but sometimes when i’m out on my bike riding in the highlands i don’t wear my helmet. It’s great. I’m aware if i fall off and smash my head in i’ll die but fuck it, any day is good enough to die. Life is dull as fuck without thrills and spills. I don’t want to be 90 in a care home wishing i’d fucked that chick from wales i met at Glastonbury or dropped acid with the Happy Mondays, i want to be there knowing i’ve done that.

66073 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Biker, 1, #615 of 1542 🔗

Hopefully you have googles on or the virus lurking in the wide open countryside will enter through your eyes.

66682 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to arfurmo, #616 of 1542 🔗

i like to wear reflective shades like i’m the Terminator

66149 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Biker, 2, #617 of 1542 🔗

I love the Live Free or Die attitude!

66685 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #618 of 1542 🔗

It’s easy. You’re gonna die, there, now lets get fucking moving with the good times before it’s too late

66190 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Biker, #619 of 1542 🔗

I enjoy riding without a helmet, do it whenever I can but unfortunately not often enough.

Cannot stand full face helmets, sue an open-face but found that the less I wear on my head the more aware of everything else I am so am a safer (not slower) rider – same as with seatbelt.

Makes me feel a lot more alive and better than any drink or drugs.

66079 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Biker, #620 of 1542 🔗

You are probably one of these lucky bleeders who couldn’t get fat even if you tried….

but good luck

66692 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Major Panic, 2, #621 of 1542 🔗

Nah bro i just don’t eat a lot because i don’t like food that much. Saying that I eat as much salad, veg, meat, yogurt, butter and eggs as i like though . Never eat bread or cakes and i don’t drink much any more. I still take my tea Nato Standard ( two sugars and milk) and i smoke roll ups like a fiend. I don’t do exercise because i figure there ain’t another animal on the planet that exercises so why the hell would i?

66080 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Biker, 1, #622 of 1542 🔗

Don’t tell anyone but I’m a chubby fuck because I like cheese.
It can be kinda difficult when you want to do the splits but other than that it’s pretty good. You look awesome when you dance.

66695 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Farinances, 1, #623 of 1542 🔗

It’s cool i like everyone to do what ever it is they like even if they become fat

66317 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Biker, 1, #624 of 1542 🔗

That made me laugh.

66342 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #625 of 1542 🔗

Ditto. Forwarded to Mrs TJN for an opinion.

66402 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Biker, 1, #626 of 1542 🔗

Brilliant, Biker. Couldn’t stop laughing when I read your post. Thanks for cheering me up!

66065 Farinances, replying to Farinances, 19, #627 of 1542 🔗

Interesting.

The sheeples need a shepherd.

I just went out to pick up a takeaway with my dad (in honour of obesity!) and we went everywhere unmuzzled (ofc). Bearing in mind we actually would have exemption- in theory- because he’s deaf (or rather I would?). But whatever.

However he tells me he and my mum wear the muzzles she has made for them 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 whenever they go out together. So he adapts his behaviour to whichever one of us he’s with, without question.

Now my dad has a brain, and I can tell he’s a sceptic. Even my mum is when it suits her – but she also enjoys a good self righteous virtue signal. She’s honestly a bit of a Karen. We have no hope with the mums. But we DO have hope with the dads.

People, find your dads. The sceptics who are too under the conformist thumb to stand up for themselves. Lead them unmuzzled into the shops, and they shall follow!

(I realise I’ve just been pretty disparaging to my parents. But hey they brought me up well and this is why I can now call out their behaviour for what it is. #irony)

66070 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Farinances, 4, #628 of 1542 🔗

Love the sound of your dad. My dad if he was still on this earth would be a complete sceptic just like me.

Mum is to a certain level but will wear a mask to do the shopping as will my sister so if I was going with them to the shops (I won’t be unless forced) then I will feel I have to wear a mask so as not to causes issues within the family unit.

66077 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to ambwozere, 6, #629 of 1542 🔗

This is already meaning I’m spending way less time with madre as she is becoming a stickler for the new rules. Doesn’t believe a word of it (gyming every other day unmuzzled, unmuzzled in restaurants and pubs already for weeks), but kind of loves the performance. I’m betting like 90% of these people. We call them idiots but they’re not actually – they’re conformists.

66725 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Farinances, 1, #630 of 1542 🔗

Conformity=Idiocy.

66106 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Farinances, 3, #631 of 1542 🔗

Does it work the other way? I suspect my daughters roll their eyes when they see another rant from me, but my son’s definitely already on the side of truth and decency….

66113 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Mark, 1, #632 of 1542 🔗

Is your son the legend who was ripping down the covid signs?

66153 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Farinances, 1, #633 of 1542 🔗

Not that I know of – he’s working in another country.

66134 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Farinances, 3, #634 of 1542 🔗

I lost my father in 2017 and know he would have be an almighty sceptic despite having a health issue list as long as my arm. I missed him so much more through this and would have loved to hear his insightful and very intelligent analysis of proceedings.

66172 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Farinances, 2, #635 of 1542 🔗

I agree – men going mask-less is the key. It pains me to say that my normally non-conformist brother has bought into the virus panic, and he will influence my mother’s view. I think my dad, had he still been here, would have been inclined towards scepticism. My brother has had to be careful, though, because his partner is in the shielding group – that is such a shame because she is a force to be reckoned with – she will take on all comers and with her fists if necessary!

66364 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #636 of 1542 🔗

What the flip is a shielding group?

66379 ▶▶▶▶ Mike Smith, replying to Two-Six, #637 of 1542 🔗

Presumably individuals who stay at home and don’t interact with others and who therefore have confidence that they can safely meet up with each other.

66239 ▶▶ matt, replying to Farinances, 3, #638 of 1542 🔗

My dad would have been obsessively researching and deliberately contrarian in public. It would have been fun to watch. Of course, being morbidly obese with heart problems and type 2 diabetes he would also have been pretty much the definition of the shielding group and would have been perfectly happy never leaving the house as long as the wine store stayed stocked (it would have been quite a job keeping it stocked with him home 24/7).

66072 TyRade, 6, #639 of 1542 🔗

What ‘fat-uous’ BS! As if the omni Covid shambles weren’t proof enough, this obesity preaching takes the biscuit (as it were). Nanny knows bugger all. Sure, personal responsibility – how much grot one stuffs in one’s cake-hole – matters in the obesity pandemic. But according to behavioural geneticist Robert Plomin (over 800 papers published) ‘studies show’ that “70% of the difference between people in their weight can be attributed to differences between them in inherited DNA sequence.” (See his ‘Blueprint’.) Ie about the same (or bigger) percentage down to genes as various measures of intelligence, in fact. If we are to have a ‘conversation’ (ugh) about where in our lives the government might stick its oar in next, let’s start with a recognition that the slate is not blank, either in health or education. And so throw less of our money about. (Oh, and how many diversity officers in the NHS could painlessly be culled to save £20 million a year, to everyone’s better health?)

66076 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 36, #640 of 1542 🔗

What a bloody cheek! First they shutdown the entire country, including gyms, the countryside, beaches & pools, and tell everyone to stay at home, then they hector us about putting on weight (while also offering discounts on eating out in August).

BoJo and his merry men need to just piss off and let us to get on with our lives.

66081 ▶▶ James H, replying to zacaway, 17, #641 of 1542 🔗

Cognitive dissonance being deliberately induced.
This is ghastly.
I feel politically homeless right now.

66089 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to zacaway, 13, #642 of 1542 🔗

They’ve just encouraged people for the last 4 months to put on weight.

Firstly, there’s been loads of people drinking more since the start of lockdown as they’re furloughed and nothing much else to do, and they thought they were going to get COVID-19, so thought F*ck it I may as well enjoy myself before it get’s me!

Secondly, there was the ridiculous 1 hour of exercise a day, with most not even taking it anyway, and now I think there’s less people exercising than back then.

Thirdly, this lockdown has affected peoples mental health and this will cause people into more unhealthy habits such as binge eating.

66174 ▶▶ guy153, replying to zacaway, 4, #643 of 1542 🔗

At least it means Johnson, who does not look he has ever missed a meal, will have to start wearing a corset in public.

66082 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #644 of 1542 🔗

https://twitter.com/i/status/1286968767860412416

So for people who think masks are safe!

66094 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #645 of 1542 🔗

none in here

66107 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bella Donna, #646 of 1542 🔗

That looks dangerous!

66278 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Carrie, #647 of 1542 🔗

Carrie, are the tests on entry to Greece swab test? Family wanting to travel worried about intrusive test on kids.

66092 Laura Suckling, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #648 of 1542 🔗

Front line doctors talking sense: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ggiwwTnTwo

66176 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #649 of 1542 🔗

Brilliant! Especially the Doctor talking between 1 hr 04 and 1.28. Toby needs to get him as a witness in his enquiry!

66197 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to DocRC, #650 of 1542 🔗

Dr Erickson has been brilliant throughout. Love his line ‘We prepared for a bear and a squirrel arrived’.

66095 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 10, #651 of 1542 🔗

I’m not liking where this story about this cat having COVID-19 is going.

The last few recent weeks started with minor stories about mask and obesity, which are now the at the forefront of government policy. I’m fearful that in a couple weeks time these experts are going to be saying that they’ve found that domestic animals are spreading it, and then start calling for the mandatory euthanasia of pets, which the government will then follow suit and put into law.

66098 ▶▶ Mark, replying to JohnB, 19, #652 of 1542 🔗

I’m hopeful that in this country such a move might actually be the long overdue final straw that triggers insurrection.

66100 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, 20, #653 of 1542 🔗

If there’s one thing that would get all England picking up pitchforks, assaulting the police, and burning down government buildings, it is a mass euthanasia of cats and dogs.

66101 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to JohnB, 11, #654 of 1542 🔗

Over… my… dead… body… I am deadly serious.

66227 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #655 of 1542 🔗

And mind. But it will be theirs, not mine. I will kill.

66102 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to JohnB, 3, #656 of 1542 🔗

Was it Tanzania where a goat and a pawpaw tested positive?

If Ferguson has anything to do with it, you are right to be worried – look how many farm animals he caused to be unnecessarily slaughtered!

66117 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Carrie, 5, #657 of 1542 🔗

Tanzania.

https://www.africanews.com/2020/05/06/tanzania-how-can-goat-papaya-pawpaw-test-positive-to-corona-morning-call//

Tanzania, Sweden and Belarus are currently my three favourite countries.

66120 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Carrie, 4, #658 of 1542 🔗

Yes and they also threw out the Gates backed GMO crops on 2018 and destroyed all their experimental crops.

No wonder they are being vilified.

Think I’ll look at moving there as I enjoy Africa, worked there any times and enjoyed it all.

66103 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to JohnB, 3, #659 of 1542 🔗

This would cause riots quicker than mandatory vaccination!

66129 ▶▶▶ Ivor VeeTwelve, replying to Farinances, #660 of 1542 🔗

Would it though? We’ve seen how easily the sheeple are fooled.

66118 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to JohnB, 4, #661 of 1542 🔗

Why would anyone test a cat?

66272 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to bluemoon, 1, #662 of 1542 🔗

That’s it isn’t it, why?

I see another agenda coming here. They seem to be trying to provoke a reaction in the peaceful law abiding public, so what better way than targeting pets.

66285 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to bluemoon, #663 of 1542 🔗

Coronaviruses are common in cats. So maybe the question should be, how reliable was the test?

66121 ▶▶ Hoppity, replying to JohnB, 2, #664 of 1542 🔗

A relative of mine told me early on in all this that some frightened pet-owners in Taiwan had been ‘dispensing’ with their feline friends themselves.

66124 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Hoppity, #665 of 1542 🔗

yummy

66277 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Hoppity, #666 of 1542 🔗

There was footage of groups of armed people shooting all stray animals on the streets in China back in January.

66165 ▶▶ Drawde927, replying to JohnB, 2, #667 of 1542 🔗

I was (genuinely) very slightly worried about that at the beginning of the pandemic, when several scare stories about pets with Covid were doing the rounds. But I think it’s just that the media love “human interest” stories especially when they involve animals… if there’s a message/narrative behind it, it’s “look how scary the virus is, your pets are at risk too”, not “pets are dangerous sources of contagion”,

It looks like the cat was infected by its owners, not the other way round, anyway!

I did wonder, both with this case and the earlier ones, whether the animals might actually have a completely different illness and just happened to be contaminated with viral particles from their owners. Given that the supposed “re-infections” of people who already had the disease, were actually the result of detecting RNA from dead virus particles, this seems like a possibility.

66359 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Drawde927, 2, #668 of 1542 🔗

The whole shit-storm about catching covids from pet fur was a bit thing back in April, loads of pet owners paranoid about me stroking their dog. MENTAL

66212 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, 2, #669 of 1542 🔗

If the mob decide to take this into their stupid hands, it could get ugly – either for society but I’d be more worried for the cats at this point.

There’s no way I’ll be able to keep my cat inside all the time, it would be very cruel to him.

66276 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to JohnB, 1, #670 of 1542 🔗

I bet someone’s working on a model as we speak

66354 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JohnB, 1, #671 of 1542 🔗

Zoonotic transmission is THE NEW BIG THING it will be used to clear peoples and farm animals off the land.

66547 ▶▶ Binra, replying to JohnB, 1, #672 of 1542 🔗

I have read that canine coronaviral antibodies in some flu vaccines cross-react dangerously with our own body’s developing antibodies.

So this is directly injected as a matter of notional security – while the weaponising of the virus is being extended to underpin the new normal of ‘Simon Says’ – because Simon can tell you what the virus is doing or will do UNLESS you do what ‘Simon Says’.

They are better described as corporate shills or lackeys in helping the propagandists spread it. Or simply ‘experts’ (sic).
But the intention is set as the deliberate breakdown of social identity – ostensibly to remake a new world. I don’t see any sign of anything that holds the qualities for seeding a new era in the globalist thinking. Its all bollocksy bollocks. (Now did I catch that or choose to replicate it after reading ‘Awkward Git’ on this page?

66678 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Binra, #673 of 1542 🔗

The phrase was from Major Panic. Perhaps he’s a super-spreader …

66099 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to JohnB, #675 of 1542 🔗

Interesting..

66111 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to JohnB, 1, #676 of 1542 🔗

Yep, EMFs have a detrimental effect on humans.

Expect slagging off and downvotes galore if not total censorship.

66188 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, #677 of 1542 🔗

Here is he News : Life is occasionally a bit uncertain and dangerous.

66219 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to RickH, #678 of 1542 🔗

Found that out years ago, pity most people don’t realise this until shit happens as they live in world via a rose tinted brain and not rose tinted glasses.

66526 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Awkward Git, #679 of 1542 🔗

They can also serve regeneration and healing.
Liboff’s work comes to mind.
Blanket statements serve polarising breakdowns of communication, Awkward Git,
And if you come in with such expectations you are setting yourself up as a target!
You are braving the emf to get your message across 😉

The body has a miraculous capacity to maintain life under all kinds of change and challenge – not least from our ‘gut biome’ – which interfaces with our psychic emotional state, that runs on the receiving and release of energy and information.

“It may shock you to know that all the world’s bacteria have access to a single gene pool, which has provided an immense resource for adaptation, manifesting an array of breathtaking combinations and re-combinations for three billion years! Any bacterium—at any time—has the ability to use accessory genes, provided by other strains, which permits it to function in ways its own DNA may not cover. The global trading of genes through DNA re-combinations provides for almost endless adaptation possibilities. Therefore, what has been done to one has been done to all. Widespread use of antibacterial agents is both futile and disastrous. Future life sciences and medicine will comprehend the more effective use of agents to stimulate positive adaptation of bacteria resulting in chains of supportive symbiosis. In the presence of love, these positive adaptations naturally occur. In the presence of hatred and fear, negative and resistant strains of bacteria are more likely. Life forms are ever changing, and yet the basic chemistry of life remains the same. Do not cling to forms that are passing, but seek for an understanding of life that embraces and includes all possibilities. This is accomplished through integrating and expanding patterns and relationships. In this way, you will see God as the creative power of life. When I asked that you love one another, I was not just giving you a recipe for human fellowship. This is the doorway to life eternal.” (The Keys of Jeshua – Glenda Green)

66122 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to JohnB, 2, #680 of 1542 🔗

FFS – lets keep the place clear from accusations of bollocksy bollocks

66505 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Major Panic, #681 of 1542 🔗

Did you intend to deny the right to talk about 5g or ask for debating the issues rather than accusations and smear or assertions of self superiority by which to pronounce judgement as if the final word?
Or something else?
If the former, why should you then complain if someone with a bigger stick muzzles your mouth and debits your social mobility for what they decide is bollocksy bollocks?

‘Lets keep the place clear’ ?

Good luck with that 😉

We can live by example.
But for every action is a reaction.

I thought JohnB was provoking reaction knowingly, rather than sharing something he valued or wanted clarification in. But sometimes we are curious but don’t know how to ask, and so play out a role to then see what happens.
I posted back to him on why I don’t see 5g as directly relevant to covid so far. But that doesn’t mean it is bollocks to consider electromagnetic environmental factors to any disease or immune function event.

66576 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Major Panic, #682 of 1542 🔗

Censorship is good, Major ?

66123 ▶▶ Sue, replying to JohnB, 1, #683 of 1542 🔗

piers corbyn goes on about the 5G connection also … it’ll be quashed pretty rigorously by the powers that be.

66163 ▶▶ guy153, replying to JohnB, 4, #684 of 1542 🔗

Amusing but I hope it’s clear that it’s complete bobbins 🙂

You cannot create proteins and RNA “de novo” with radiation, even if you mix in some Latin phrases and long words.

Those things require enzymes which are nanotech of a sophistication far far surpassing any manmade technology. We can do genetic engineering and a lot of cool stuff but it’s based on using enzymes already found in nature.

You can’t “beam” viruses into cells just because DNA has a double helix structure and pictures of it superficially resemble the sort of electrical coils that might be found in a transformer in an old record player.

As for exosomes and endosomes, yes those things are very like viruses. An “exosome” that leaves the body and infects somebody else’s basically _is_ a virus. But this doesn’t change anything except the terminology.

66193 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to guy153, 2, #685 of 1542 🔗

This stuff reminds me of when people who do Reiki try to connect it to physics

66675 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Farinances, #686 of 1542 🔗

You’ve not been reading much particle physics stuff recently, Farinances ? They make Reiki adherents sound like chartered accountants.

66688 ▶▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to JohnB, #687 of 1542 🔗

Lol you’re right. But at least their mad forces are measurable. The ones the woo merchants are selling were pretty much demolished by a 12 year old girl.

66485 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to guy153, #688 of 1542 🔗

Radiation exposures are known to generate viral response as are toxic exposures and strain of persistent fear. Living cells produce ‘biota’ that may be specifically functional or my be recyclable building blocks or elements that are recognisable within a biological matrix of their repurposing or transport, or elimination.
Living cells generate proteins and RNA according to functional needs under specific conditions. Bacterial cells generate enzymes. Without which, a breakdown of cognition, digestion and immune function is occurring.

I’d like to see more info on how ‘infection’ actually operates – as it seems like a scientific mask over demonology or contagions of thought.
I have no problem with the idea of replication. You can generate your own version of anything you meet in others, and not all of this operates consciously.

Indeed a ripple seems to travel but is actually the replication of a vibrational state. Some waves do not interact with us at all and to others we are ‘susceptible’. If bodies operate as a species (that operate as ecosystems within a biosphere within -etc) then you don’t really have a body so much as run on or through one you presume to possess as a limited sense of control. So if bodies serve a continuum of energy exchange, information and communication the idea of self-isolated private and masked off minds is an idea given focus and priority – so as to lockstep a world of split off thinking seeking wholeness in split off terms or concepts.
But you are correct that what is actually here is as it is – regardless our terminology. However, our default or conditioned assumptions are by no means the reliable guide to ‘what is’, and this is indicated by conflicting identities, narratives and convictions as to what is real (who is right).

I don’t think being right against a wrong is the way to truth but if a conjecture is shown to be unfounded, there is an evidence to prompt curiosity as to ‘what then is true?’.

66727 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to guy153, #689 of 1542 🔗

Here is a link to many websites discussing the penetrating powers of electromagnetic waves:
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffhp&q=electro+magnetic+waves+can+penetrate&ia=web

66437 ▶▶ Binra, replying to JohnB, #690 of 1542 🔗

Lets just say that both bio weapons AND emf 3-4-5g are contributing to disease – or should I call it immune function under stress, and then look at death by all causes to see that neither nor both have had national or global effect.
The only caveat being that specific experiments could be concealed within a disease ‘pandemic’ that provide a testing ground for developing weapons for geo-political or social control which may run as a toxic exposure or toxic set up – such that once harmless respiratory infections become life threatening as a result of negative synergies providing dysfunctional immune response.
Why bother with the caveat?
Because it is clear there is a drive and a budget and an intent to bio-weapons – even if they end up being toxicity assigned to a fear of contagion, that can ramp up reactions and treatments to add to that negative synergy.
While that is very sick thinking – it is completely normal for weapons research.
Scientists may dispassionately collaborate on ‘solving a problem’ under narratives of national security and service set against ‘enemies who are ‘racing to do to us what we must therefore attain first’ – ostensibly to develop strategies of defence.

I am in no doubt but that living bodies use extraordinarily weak signalling pulses at a very powerful level of function, but that does not mean ‘open to all frequencies and communication signals.
Worth noting that a ‘field is given existence or embodiment by interaction.

As for exosomes and viruses – the latter is the initial interpretation of the insistence that a pathological agent like a bacteria but smaller, must be there.
Note that to a censorious, lockdown narrative control, communication out of lockstep is regarded as a potential hijack or contagion.
The ability to interpret our world with the structured beliefs of our own mind is where a past association hijacks and usurps a present observation.

Bacteria turn out not to be pathogens in themselves but functional as the core life support of a cellular organism. Indeed it may be toxic excreta from certain bacteria that are in fact initiators of sickness and sometimes death.

Cellular communications operate at speeds and in synchronies that human thought cannot conceive – but which underlie our capacity to experience human thought as a world writ large! For whatever a ‘world’ might or might not be, we can have NO experience of it without the structures through which such qualities are projected to quanta.

66105 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 28, #691 of 1542 🔗

well… I wish we were so lucky. My governor has already mandated masks on every kid over 2 years old, until there is a vaccine , and masks are a requirement for the opening of schools. It is sheer insanity. I have already pulled my kids from their private schooling and told the superintendent that I have every desire to re-enroll them, and will do so as soon as they are permitted to attend school without masks on.

I am really hoping that something changes very soon, but my brain (and experience) tells me that it is more likely to get worse than to get better.

66146 ▶▶ PowerCorrupts, replying to RyanM, 5, #692 of 1542 🔗

Your courageous action is what is desperately needed: market pressure would put an end to this insanity, if a significant group withdrew their children and forced them to look at the science behind masks & vaccination to realise neither is appropriate. Unfortunately the majority at the moment are not suffering significant loss of income and prefer not having to travel/be in work environment. All strength to you.

66152 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to RyanM, 14, #693 of 1542 🔗

I am serious. When I’ve gone to stores with my kids, I give them bandannas, which they wear down around their necks. I walk in with a bandanna, but pull it down below my nose and usually under my chin until I check out. My 8 year old got a scarf from my wife, and pulled it up over his baseball cap like a mosquito net… people give us irritated looks, but not much else.

What I find really discouraging is that if you had asked me about this a year ago, I’d have said that there isn’t a chance in hell that Americans would stand for this. I’d have said we hate being told what to do, and we hate arbitrary restrictions, and we’re smart enough to know that it’s all a crock of shit… but what I’ve found is that people not only go along with it, but they enjoy the feeling of superiority. I’ve gotten yelled at by teenaged employees, fully masked up, for not just following the rules.

66222 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to RyanM, 5, #694 of 1542 🔗

Child abuse on an inconceivable scale.

66248 ▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to annie, 15, #695 of 1542 🔗

Funny thing about this. I’m a lawyer – I represent teenagers in foster care. So we deal with child abuse on a regular basis. Early on, I made the observation that a huge problem we see with abused kids later in life is this fear of human contact. So, we’ve decided to artificially create that fairly debilitating fear in entire generations of children. Yes, it is child abuse, and it is likely that we will be living with the consequences of this for decades to come.

66262 ▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to RyanM, 1, #696 of 1542 🔗

God forbid any small child is choked or strangled by a mask

66154 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to RyanM, 2, #697 of 1542 🔗

Maybe you should consider moving to a state without a lunatic governor.
Or start a recall petition to remove her.

66159 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Lms23, 1, #698 of 1542 🔗

Him (Jay Inslee). 🙂 This year will be the first that I have a yard-sign out, and we have an election in November. I am hoping that people wake up, but talking with folks, I am very doubtful that enough of them will.

66157 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to RyanM, 5, #699 of 1542 🔗

It’s child abuse… plain and simple.

66177 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RyanM, 3, #700 of 1542 🔗

all change state side then…..

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66178 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Major Panic, 1, #701 of 1542 🔗

becoming a minority, I’m afraid…

66182 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to RyanM, #702 of 1542 🔗

I’ve worked with many Americans over the years and explored it quite a bit. many on a recent contract all wore MAGA hats as much a steely could.

I know Trump is more popular than MSM try and make you believe and the Democrats have just lost the plot.

Try watching https://www.youtube.com/user/X22Report/videos to give yourself some hope things will ventrally get better.

66201 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #703 of 1542 🔗

I am not a huge Trump fan – I don’t care for his demeanor, and I don’t think he is much of a conservative. But I’ll vote for him, as he’s certainly better than the alternative. I want a president who reads Burke (et. al.) and who has a strong sense of individual liberty and discomfort with centralized power… and I am fairly certain that I’ll never find a politician who embodies those things.

What I find really disheartening is how absolutely stupid we have become as a country. We lack a basic understanding of our constitution, our republic… the importance of separation of powers, checks and balances, etc… People don’t have any idea how or why our government is set up the way it is, and they have such an appalling knowledge of history, it is frightening.

66214 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to RyanM, 3, #704 of 1542 🔗

Same here in the UK and europeans are even worse after working with lots of them in recent years.

I feel like banging people’s heads against the wall until my arm hurts.

66225 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Awkward Git, #705 of 1542 🔗

Not as much as their heads, solid as they may be. Go to it.

66233 ▶▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Awkward Git, #706 of 1542 🔗

Both my governor’s words and actions fill me with an actual rage. It makes me, quite literally, wish to grab his head and slam it repeatedly against a wall, as you say. I do have that physical sort of response to threats to my liberty (I’m also claustrophobic, which seems related), and I have always thought of that as an American (or at least Western) character trait (my dad claims it is Scottish, but reading this website, I wonder if he is wrong about the Scots). I am beginning to question all of that.

66216 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to RyanM, 1, #707 of 1542 🔗

How have the Democrats got themselves into the position of Hillary, followed by Biden. I have money on a Trump win.

I watched quite a lot of the Congressional hearing on Ukraine. Early days, but I was impressed by Elise Stefanik – first female US president?

66226 ▶▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #708 of 1542 🔗

It will be really interesting. Trump is killing himself with a lot of conservatives and moderates because he just can’t shut up long enough to avoid making a fool of himself. He is arrogant in a way that is extremely harmful to him. People who enjoy seeing him stand up to the media also cringe when he picks unnecessary fights or is clearly in the wrong.

I do wonder if the insanity of our covid reaction may turn a lot of people to vote for anyone they believe might be on the side of liberty, but looking around at all the masked faces, I wonder if that is a lost cause…

66257 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to RyanM, #709 of 1542 🔗

He does open mouth first, then engage brain later, and yes he is crass. At the end of the day, if Florida holds the line, and the stockmarket doesn’t crash in October (might be expecting too much?) he will be pushing his outstanding management of the crisis.

I guess there won’t be debates between him and Biden? Does it now depend on who Biden picks as the running mate – I thought Kamala Harris had it in the bag, but Sky report suggested some other names. I also hear the Tea Party is making a return, but without the plug from CNBC’s Rick Santelli, can they have any impact? I’m a big fan of Ron Paul.

66267 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #710 of 1542 🔗

Ron Paul has been solid WRT Covid. What worries me about Trump is that he’s more than just crass… he sounds legitimately ridiculous when he talks, and of course, pretty much 100% of the media is actively campaigning against him. If Americans had any common sense, they would understand that, however bad he might be, our economy was solid until cv19 and Biden represents a full embrace of the BLM and antifa lunacy that has been terrorizing US cities. But what I’m finding about cv19 is that people are amazingly fearful , and that they are willfully ignorant. Actual knowledge is right at their fingertips, and even those charged with the responsibility to seek truth are content to just roll with popular belief. Go to http://www.nationalreview.com and just browse what’s available for free reading… it is absolutely amazing. A near full embrace of CV hysteria, without even mention of the most basic and obvious questions. This tells me that people are begging to be told what to do; they’re happy to mask up, they’re happy to swallow the official party line; why not vote democrat?

66266 ▶▶ DRW, replying to RyanM, #711 of 1542 🔗

Not that long ago, I was looking forward to visiting the USA next year.
Still, you’ll have voted by then.

66275 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to DRW, #712 of 1542 🔗

Oh, you should still visit. 🙂 But remember that the US is kind of like Europe, in the sense that if you go to one place, you’re basically in a totally different country than if you go to another place. I live in Washington State, but I’m from Montana, and have lived in Colorado, Oregon, Virginia, New York… and they are all very different places. When we want to escape the covid madness of Washington, we drive to my parent’s house in Idaho, where things are totally different.

66543 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RyanM, #713 of 1542 🔗

Could you leave the kids with their grandparents, Ryan ?

66572 ▶▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to JohnB, #714 of 1542 🔗

They spent a week in Idaho with my parents and had a good time. We’ve been spending some weekends down there as well (it’s a 6 hour drive) and will leave them for another week in October. My wife’s parents are 12 hours away, in Montana.

66344 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to RyanM, #715 of 1542 🔗

Which state?

66436 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to richard riewer, #716 of 1542 🔗

Washington

66110 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 3, #717 of 1542 🔗

fuck me -sky news has found another frumpy owld fart to lecture us – where do they dig them up from?

66145 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Major Panic, 3, #718 of 1542 🔗

You still watch Sky news? That’s very masochistic of you.

66164 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Lms23, 2, #719 of 1542 🔗

Sky News Australia seem to have been putting out some good stuff .

66195 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Mark, 2, #720 of 1542 🔗

Yes – a rather different kettle of fish (perhaps because the sky is upside down over there!?).

66260 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Mark, 1, #721 of 1542 🔗

It’s interesting how Youtube hasn’t managed to censor the sceptical argument, as much as they’ve threatened. Late March and any sceptical viewpoint clips had tiny viewing figures, but over the last few months it’s been growing slowly, but surely.

66169 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Lms23, #722 of 1542 🔗

well self flagellation is in nowa days

66143 ▶▶ alw, replying to Sarigan, 12, #724 of 1542 🔗

Good. We need all businesses to be standing up to government and telling them what they can do with their ridiculous unenforceable strictures. We also need a new political party.

66160 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to alw, 5, #725 of 1542 🔗

Preferably a new party lavishly funded by businessmen and wealthy investors who have noticed how much this government has cost them and intend to have their revenge.

66206 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 1, #726 of 1542 🔗

They’ve been a disppointment so far, but you’d think sooner or later the wallet will start to scream and patience will run out

66403 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to alw, #727 of 1542 🔗

Capitals for emphasis, hands over ears not needed!!

We need to replace EVERY political party currently represented in Westminster. NONE of them have stood up for either our economy, or the liberties and rights stolen from us. The ENTIRE Establishment has let this country down and let it down badly. No corner is free of the taint of abandonment.

This evil must stop. Now.

66192 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Sarigan, 9, #728 of 1542 🔗

Yep – the government is building up a large mass of open hostility, just at a time when the furlough scheme will be unwinding and multiple waves of redundancies will be starting. Vast numbers of voters will soon be understanding that lockdown sceptics’ warnings about collateral damage of lockdown were, if anything, understating the case. de Pfeffel may well be taking up more running, but, boy, is he going to need it when the tsunami heads in his direction in the very near future. Schadenfreude is the only good heading our way now folks!

66218 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to IanE, 4, #729 of 1542 🔗

If anybody’s hostility mass us greater than mine I’d be interested to meet them.

66223 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to annie, #730 of 1542 🔗

Only cumulatively, my dear, only cumulatively!

66409 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to annie, 3, #731 of 1542 🔗

Annie, I’d love to meet you! My hostility mass is at least as great as yours. I had a very vivid dream a couple of weeks ago about Hancock visiting Leicester: he went on a walkabout, talking to local people – and someone shot him! Unfortunately, I woke up, so I never found out if the assassination attempt was successful.

66664 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, #732 of 1542 🔗

I’d be petrified …

66804 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to IanE, #733 of 1542 🔗

August bank holiday is coming soon. A friend of mine predicted that more shops will close at the end of July to early August due to the mandatory muzzling. Which of course would mean more people redundant and bankruptcies. If the conditions are right we could even see the shit hitting the fan before October.

66229 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Sarigan, 3, #734 of 1542 🔗

yes this spanish quarantine nonsense will have put a lot of people’s backs up as so many people holiday over there and their summer holiday has just been canned or disrupted. I suspect many will just ignore the quarantine and tell the government to get stuffed!

66237 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Sue, 2, #735 of 1542 🔗

One problem – the very annoyed lady coming back into Manchester today (on the Sky report) screamed into the camera to the government ‘get all your masks on and get the vaccine sorted’. Not something I want to become the narrative.

66251 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Sue, #736 of 1542 🔗

https://twitter.com/Brixton_Ben26/status/1287716128312229888

 “Just 1 fine has been issued for breaching quarantine rules and then another 3 by UK border Force. You’re not telling me that everyone else has followed the rules. What a farce.

66115 Awkward Git, 20, #737 of 1542 🔗

Received from the son

66140 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #738 of 1542 🔗

Perhaps to show the teachershttps://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.20.20157149v1
Association of contact to small children with mild course of COVID-19
 “In the relatively small subgroup with intensive care treatment (n=19), patients without contact to small children were overrepresented.

66162 Major Panic, 4, #740 of 1542 🔗

seems Grant shapps has either been reading our comments or is getting chased out of Spain….

66175 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #741 of 1542 🔗

Was thinking of going to Jamaica for a few weeks as it’s a great place and good value compared to a lot of the Caribbean.

Explored it end to end and up and down on road trips with nothing but a hire car, a paper map of the island and a credit card many times and it’s a great place. Never a problem.

Found out they have to wear masks in public although the Prime Minister is in the local paper over the weekend complaining that 30% of people are ignoring the law.

Their cases are negligible and only 10 deaths in total.

So not going until they stop following the global idiocy.

Might write to him.

66203 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Awkward Git, #742 of 1542 🔗

Or you can go, then join the 30% ignoring the law…

66211 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #743 of 1542 🔗

More fun to write to Andrew Holness first, live up to my nomenclature, then take it from there.

66180 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #744 of 1542 🔗

https://twitter.com/kylamb8/status/1287792545561546752

Japan confirmed cases for weeks ending: June 13: 279 June 20: 417 June 27: 498 July 4: 985 July 11: 1,847 July 18: 3,003 July 25: 4,654
And we are all following Japan with masks?

66215 ▶▶ matt, replying to swedenborg, 1, #745 of 1542 🔗

The R number went down last week. Cause for celebration!

66221 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to swedenborg, #746 of 1542 🔗

Are masks mandatory in Japan?

66322 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Ned of the Hills, #747 of 1542 🔗

As far as I know they are not, but from recent pictures I have seen almost everyone is wearing them now. I don’t think that’s the norm – I know a lot do even in “normal” times, but I don’t think anything like 100%. What I don’t know is the extent to which you’d get hassled if you went without

66371 ▶▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Julian, #748 of 1542 🔗

Masks aren’t legally enforced, the same way there was no compulsory house arrest, but it’s called self-restraint. For the general good you don’t do what you want to do ie leave your house or go about unmasked. There is a great deal of social pressure rather than legal coercion. To encourage people to go on holiday the government is giving out reduction vouchers, but not for anyone going to or from Tokyo. So long as everyone wears a mask, and there are no unmasked selfish people coughing beside you and you all speak quietly so that a wide open mouth doesn’t spew out particles of the virus, then it’s probably safe to go on holiday, especially since it’s cheap, but not to or from Tokyo. What a depressing state of mind for someone going on holiday. The news is all about coronavirus and has been since January.

66793 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Jane in France, #749 of 1542 🔗

And despite all that the number of cases in Japan is rising again! Why do I keep thinking King Cnute?

66374 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Julian, #750 of 1542 🔗

Thank you for that. I should ask my Japanese friend – but she lives in Blighty.

66392 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ned of the Hills, #751 of 1542 🔗

No, but they are commonplace. More folk wear them than not, especially in the cities.

66181 DRW, replying to DRW, #752 of 1542 🔗

Dangers of the 76 swine flu vaccine: https://www.bitchute.com/video/hMUeZ4vz6cU
Required viewing for the “YOU’RE AN ANTI-VAXXER!” crowd

66183 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to DRW, 1, #753 of 1542 🔗

Just seen this linked to on Simon Dolan’s Twitter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIj68goDYeI&feature=youtu.be Bill G stands to make 20:1 financial return on vaccine sales – he admits it!

66185 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Carrie, #754 of 1542 🔗

And here is Bill G talking about the side effects of the vaccine in trials.. : https://twitter.com/SmashingPumpk18/status/1287159895876186112

66729 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Carrie, #755 of 1542 🔗

You should see his stocks portfolio.

66186 Shep, replying to Shep, 14, #757 of 1542 🔗

SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE THAT MASKS SERVE ANY PURPOSE WHEN IT COMES TO SPREADING/ DEFENDING FROM DISEASE. IF THERE IS NONE, THEN ITS ALL BULLSHIT.

66191 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Shep, 10, #758 of 1542 🔗

There isn’t and it is!

66199 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Shep, 3, #759 of 1542 🔗

I’m going to print out an ‘exemption lanyard’ with those exact words on it. If anyone confronts me for having my face uncovered as nature intended, I’ll just flash that at them, ignore them and carry on with my life.

66210 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Shep, 6, #760 of 1542 🔗

all the evidense is detailed here…

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66213 ▶▶ annie, replying to Shep, 7, #761 of 1542 🔗

It’s fetishism. Government-imposed voodoo.

66189 Andrew Cox, #762 of 1542 🔗

I am very much anti-compulsory face masks, but it is poor logic and reasoning to exploit the wording on the exemption certificate by Disability Travel Support (DTS). which states ‘I have a reasonable excuse for not wearing a face covering. Thank you for your understanding’. Although the message by itself does not state a disability, the exemption is for people deemed to have one and it also has the DTS logo on it. Using the wording of this badge to get around the face mask rules is lying by omission and a cop out. If we want to make a strong case against face masks we must confront the issue not evade it.

66200 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #763 of 1542 🔗

Found this while mooching the inter web:

https://vaccineimpact.com/2020/british-prime-minister-boris-johnson-surrenders-to-bill-gates-and-the-vaccine-cartel/

What a title: Boris Johnson Surrenders To Bill Gates And The Vaccine Cartel

66730 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Awkward Git, #764 of 1542 🔗

Will he get a commission?

66204 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 4, #765 of 1542 🔗

The madness continues:

The Foreign Office has extended its advice against all but essential travel to the whole of Spain.

I am not even going to list the numbers from Balearics and Canaries. There is no point as they are so negligible.

66259 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sarigan, #766 of 1542 🔗

Meanwhile the BBC reports that they are negotiating/looking into rescinding the quarantine requirement from those same islands…

66750 ▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Sarigan, #767 of 1542 🔗

Have the Foreign Office got a map? Do they not realise how far away from mainland Spain the Canaries actually are?

66205 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #768 of 1542 🔗

From the CDC:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/season/index.html

Influenza Updates:

  • Laboratory-confirmed flu activity is low at this time.
  • Elevated influenza-like-illness is likely related to COVID-19 .
66224 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #769 of 1542 🔗

ILI is clinical speak for “it looks like ‘flu, but the tests come back negative, and it goes away quickly” and actually, the study I posted yesterday did say that in HCWs who wore cloth masks ILI surged!

Sample size 1607 healthcare workers (those who have been trained to wear masks porperly!):-

The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI statistically significantly higher in the cloth mask arm (relative risk (RR)=13.00, 95% CI 1.69 to 100.07) compared with the medical mask arm. Cloth masks also had significantly higher. rates of ILI compared with the control arm. An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical mask.s group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25903751/

66217 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 46, #770 of 1542 🔗

Bespoke Eyewear—Harrogate.

Anyone who is familiar with Harrogate will probably be aware of this opitician. He sells designer glasses at phenomenal prices to those who would be ahead of the curve when it comes to hip eye wear. He has a large window with around thirty life size heads each one decked out with a pair of specs fit for the stars—or so they would think!

On my way in to town I passed by the Bespoke Eyewear window and was utterly gob smacked at the sight. Every ‘head’ had a face mask and above it sat the glasses. Both my wife and I were really amazed at this and I must admit it was the most blatant use of ‘mask fashion’, or whatever you would call it, that I have seen to date.

It was just too much for me on returning to my car and having to pass this disgraceful exhibit again. I pushed open the door and was immediately greeted by the owner ( I presume). ‘Good afternoon sir, how can I help you?’. I entered: I’m looking to buy a new pair of glasses in the near future (true) and was thinking of coming here (untrue) but I must say I’m really disturbed by your window display’ (Cue startled and uncomfortable look from owner.) I continued: ‘There are very many people who are repelled by face masks and I am one of them. If I may give you some friendly advice. For the sake of your business may I suggest that you remove those grotesque face masks from your window because it will do you more harm than good’. It was the first time I’ve ever seen anybody literally speechless. With that I turned around and walked out.

It felt good. But I must admit I did have a tinge of guilt at possibly upsetting him when, like so many other businesss right now, he’ll be struggling to survive.

Anyway there you have it. Another little gesture in my determination to push back.
Anyone reading this who passes Bespoke Eyewear–Harrogate and sees no masks then he’s had a rethink. If they are still beaming out for all the world to see you might also like to politely advise him of the error of his ways.

I suppose what really riles me is the fact that consciously or unconsciously this shop owner is saying: ‘Hey! this is the new normal! Look at the different specs you can buy to compliment these masks’ I found it so depressing if I’m honest

66245 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Harry hopkins, 11, #771 of 1542 🔗

Businesses need to hear this, many people that think the way you do

66329 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Harry hopkins, 10, #772 of 1542 🔗

Well done Harry for making a stand against this mask insanity. It’s a horror show.

66455 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Harry hopkins, 5, #773 of 1542 🔗

Good for you Harry,don’t feel guilty about the upsetting the owner,he’s just adding to the hysteria that is going to finish most small businesses off,if he can’t see that there’s no hope for him anyway.

66467 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #774 of 1542 🔗

get a black marker pen and draw a nice trim moustache on the window for each of the masks 🙂

66220 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #775 of 1542 🔗

WHO wanted them to reinstate lockdown!

“With a majority of people on daily income, Pakistan decides to lift the “unbearable” general lockdown and soon gets chastised by WHO. Alarmist New York Times predicts 900k cases by end of July. Reality: 280k. Daily cases down 78%. Pakistan has reached herd immunity
https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1287784849957425152
Share of tests that are positive shows the reality of Pakistan’s contagion collapse.
https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1287785647219056642

66232 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to swedenborg, 1, #776 of 1542 🔗

I was trying to find some pics of darleks saying ”vaccinate” but there are none yet

66732 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mr Dee, #778 of 1542 🔗

Send a couple of Daleks to #10 Downing Street.

66290 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Major Panic, #779 of 1542 🔗

Brilliant ! Surely there’s someone clever on here than can make a gif or something

66733 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to tonyspurs, #780 of 1542 🔗

Then we can send them all around the world.

66230 Cheezilla, 1, #781 of 1542 🔗

First they do everything in their power to kill the high street. Now they’re threatening to tax online shopping, ostensibly to make up for lost business rates. This is seriously discriminatory against the disabled, the elderly and those who live out in the sticks!

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jul/27/rishi-sunak-online-sales-tax-protect-high-streets-coronavirus

…. it emerged that Rishi Sunak is exploring plans for a levy to protect high street shops from mounting competition.
Against a backdrop of rising retail job losses and store closures triggered by the coronavirus crisis, the chancellor is looking at taxing internet shopping for England and Wales as a potential replacement for business rates , the levy on companies based on the premises they occupy. ……

Tom Ironside, director of business and regulation at the BRC, said: “Taxing the sale or delivery of online goods would simply be another burden on an already overtaxed industry, one that would ultimately hit consumer spending through higher prices.
“Throughout the pandemic, many of us have been relying on retailers to ramp up their online services to ensure we can all get the goods we need. The government should not harm these efforts by further taxing the businesses providing these services, and the people they serve.”
The possibility of a digital retail tax emerged in a call for evidence launched by the Treasury last week. The government is facing a hole in the public finances of more than £322bn as the coronavirus pandemic plunges Britain into the deepest recession for 300 years.

Isn’t it about time the bloody MSM stopped calling it “the coronavirus pandemic” and called it for what it is – lockdown damage!

66231 BecJT, replying to BecJT, 15, #782 of 1542 🔗

Simon Dolan’s lawyers wrote to LBC to school them on the law about face masks after Cressida Dickhead’s “shame them out of the store” remarks. It’s good. https://static.crowdjustice.com/group_claim_document/Letter_to_LBC_radio_re_Cressida_Dick.pdf

66236 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to BecJT, 9, #783 of 1542 🔗

the Dick inciting descrimonation against the disabled is a surely a resignation offence

66244 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Major Panic, 7, #784 of 1542 🔗

It should certainly be a sacking offence!

66252 ▶▶ annie, replying to BecJT, 4, #785 of 1542 🔗

Good letter but I’m surprised they didn’t stress the illegality of incitement to harassment.

66255 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to BecJT, 4, #786 of 1542 🔗

Quote from the letter:

“Perhaps not surprisingly, because of his campaigning stance, this has led to our client being contacted by those who would stand to be affected by Ms Dick’s comments – i.e. those whose disabilities make it impossible for them to don face coverings, but whose conditions are not visible or obvious (e.g. those suffering from asthma or other respiratory illnesses).”

66264 ▶▶ James007, replying to BecJT, 1, #787 of 1542 🔗

Good letter. It’s suprising that this wasnt challenged on air. I don’t listen to any talk radio stations, but in the days when I did tune in to LBC – I though Ferrari was a very sharp and capable presenter.

66309 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to BecJT, 11, #788 of 1542 🔗

As a sometimes LBC listener, this is fantastic news.

Is Simon Dolan our only hope now?

Where are the charities such as MIND, The National Autistic Society, Astma UK etc. they should be the ones rushing to get a retraction / correction, they are the organisations which claim to support people with various issues.

Seems charities are letting lots of people down at the moment.

66336 ▶▶▶ James H, replying to Dave #KBF, 5, #789 of 1542 🔗

I believe someone noted on this site that at least one of the charities you mention is funded to a very large extent by Big Pharma.

66363 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #790 of 1542 🔗

They aren’t known as Non Governmental Organisations for no reason at all you know! Just another branch of govt, which is why I refuse to give to them.

66382 ▶▶▶ Youth_Unheard, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #791 of 1542 🔗

Asthma UK was telling sufferers essentially to toughen up and bear it and only don’t wear a mask if you really really can’t…I think they changed their mind when this got out yesterday, haven’t checked since

66451 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #792 of 1542 🔗

I haven’t heard of a single charity saying or doing anything to stand up for the rights of the people they supposedly care about,they’ve been doing a lot of begging though.

66735 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Dave #KBF, #793 of 1542 🔗

This from July 16, 2020:
Cancer Research UK will cut its spending on research by 44 million.

66234 Lisa from Toronto, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 33, #794 of 1542 🔗

Absolutely fuming. My 100-year-old grandmother died last night after losing the will to live since being locked down since the end of February at a LTC facility. No blame as she was 100 after all. Just found out from my mom that masks are mandatory at the OUTDOOR graveside funeral even though they aren’t mandated outdoors here (yet). I will not give in but am now going to have to sit in the car at the funeral and then get asked questions from family members who don’t know my issues. Given the 20-person limit on funerals, at least I won’t have to explain myself to that many people. For me it’s become more than just a philosophical issue; I’m physically and psychologically barely capable of wearing a face covering, and certainly not in the heat for a 30-minute service. My mom is not asking anyone to wear a mask back at her house after the funeral. I would have had to pass on going altogether. I feel like an outcast in so many respects and it brings me to tears almost daily. Thankfully we had a lovely evening with friends outdoors last night and I only got triggered a few times (some are more like me and others are scared shitless). Our friends just became grandparents and told me their DIL had “pre-eclampsia” after the birth and is now on blood pressure meds. She may have had pre-eclampsia before the birth but because her midwife appointments were all virtual her BP was not taken. Chances are she had pre-eclampsia and could have died. They seemed unaware of just how dangerous the situation was, and I can only imagine that the lack of in-person care has maimed and killed many people and their stories will not be told. Sorry for the long rant, but between hearing my friends’ story about their DIL and my grandmother’s funeral I’m fit to be tied today.

66265 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 4, #795 of 1542 🔗

So sorry to hear your sad news and that you will not be able to properly celebrate a wonderful long life. I really do fear for all our futures now, this is clearly not about health or incompetence.

66282 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Sarigan, 4, #796 of 1542 🔗

Thank you. I fear for the future on so many levels. I’m now debating just not wearing a mask at the graveside and daring anyone to call me out on it. Will speak to my mom first as I wouldn’t want to do anything to cause her additional grief (excuse the pun). I suspect nobody would have the gumption to send me away from the graveside but it’s not the time or the place to unduly stand out.

66496 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #797 of 1542 🔗

Nobody’s place but yours to decide, Lisa. If your mum is ok with it, don’t wear one.

66487 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #798 of 1542 🔗

So very sorry, it’s all so crazy, you are not. Do what you need to do, your Grandma loved you, and would understand. xx

66530 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to BecJT, 9, #799 of 1542 🔗

Thanks to all who replied. I spoke to the funeral home and they claimed it was the cemetery policy and that they could call the authorities if I didn’t comply. So I called the cemetery and their voice message said masks were strongly recommended. Sent an e-mail saying I’ve read the by-law and there’s nothing about outdoor masking and that, even indoors, exemptions must be accommodated. I made it clear it’s a human rights violation for me to be barred from my grandmother’s funeral and asked them to reply so I’d have it in writing. Well, lo and behold it is indeed just a “suggestion” and I do not have to comply with their “suggestion.” Now the funeral home, who were copied, know they ought not scare people into thinking they could be forcibly removed from a funeral for not wearing a face muzzle outdoors. It’s nice to win one! Happens so rarely these days.

66238 hat man, 1, #800 of 1542 🔗

Does anyone know if this government scheme, due to expire on 17 July, has been renewed?

http://www.newsmediauk.org/Latest/government-partners-with-newspaper-industry-on-covid-19-ad-campaign

66240 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 2, #801 of 1542 🔗

FFS – sky news has found another mad professor , this time of cat covid19 – is there an unlimmited supply of these freeks!!!!

66249 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Major Panic, 1, #802 of 1542 🔗

Isn’t it a bit early for silly season in the press? I thought that was next month. It’s going to be a long recess!

66242 Sue, replying to Sue, 12, #803 of 1542 🔗

Just saw this link on the DT comments – headline:

“I want to be straight with you, there will be no return to the old normal for the foreseeable future” by the head of WHO….

https://twitter.com/DarrenPlymouth/status/1287349416941191168

Comments are scathing. On all the various media, youtube, twitter etc sites there are loads of negative user comments against this rubbish – surely if there was a single political/pressure group to collate all the sceptics with a presence it would be able to apply pressure on TPTB. But divided internet warriors as we all are isn’t going to change anything – i don’t know…

66247 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Sue, #804 of 1542 🔗

who?

66261 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sue, 4, #805 of 1542 🔗

I quite liked @iainpdooley with his reply:

“I don’t remember voting for this guy. I didn’t get to read his political manifesto either. Because if I did, I definitely wouldn’t have voted for this guy.”

66292 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #806 of 1542 🔗
66313 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sue, #807 of 1542 🔗

👍 👍

66279 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Sue, 1, #808 of 1542 🔗

WHO still gives a fuck about these bent puppets?

66250 watashi, replying to watashi, 14, #809 of 1542 🔗

My first visit to town under these new and insane muzzle guidelines was mixed. At the first stop (key cutting place) we were the only customers (myself, 3 kids and neighbour who also doesn t believe the lies) the man behind the counter was unmuzzled and nothing but polite and pleasant. Second stop was the local post office. Unpleasant masked woman in front of us in the q, giving us the evil eye the whole time. When she got to the counter she ranted on about us and said the lady shouldn t let us in or serve us. When it was our turn we were served with no mention of muzzles, until we were on our way out and the owner shouted out at us to wear masks next time you come in I replied we re exempt he responded with well next time don t all come in together ( does he really expect me to leave small children outside? ) (he needn t worry though as I won t be frequenting that place again) Quite unpleasant. Small pet food shop, book shop and second hand bookshop all visited happily with no issues. Lots of strange people about muzzling their children which shocked me.

66441 ▶▶ Paul, replying to watashi, 1, #810 of 1542 🔗

I really want to see all of the arseholes with businesses that treat customers badly like this on their hands and knees begging for customers to spend money with them.

66254 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #811 of 1542 🔗

Would you buy a used car from this guy? (Bill Gates)

https://www.instagram.com/p/CDHs9vcneLg/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

66271 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #812 of 1542 🔗

Would you buy a computer operating system from him? thought not.

66311 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #813 of 1542 🔗

What kind of world would allow a software salesman, become a spokesperson for global health?

66737 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PoshPanic, #814 of 1542 🔗

Money talks.

66258 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 15, #815 of 1542 🔗

Theresa Villiers on Sky ‘Until we have a vaccine we can’t rule out quarantine’. There you go, obvious where this is going. NO!

66280 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #816 of 1542 🔗

Never again. They can impose one if they want, won’t obey it.

66286 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Nick Rose, 12, #817 of 1542 🔗

Ditto. I now think this development in Spain is deliberate. The most popular country for British tourists, massive cost and inconvenience, but… it will never happen again, promise, if you have the vaccine. Boris and Co have signed us up to the vaccine bandwagon, and they will resort to any desperate and depraved measure to make sure we comply.

66310 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #818 of 1542 🔗

Yes, has to be Spain – can’t be France because too many MPs have second homes there – wouldn’t want to inconvenience them!

66318 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Carrie, 1, #819 of 1542 🔗

nailed it!

66319 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, #820 of 1542 🔗

i’ll fly back from spain in august via france. safe as houses…

66327 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Major Panic, 4, #821 of 1542 🔗

They ask you to fill out a ‘passenger locator form’ before arrival into the UK which gets you to list all of the countries you’ve been to in the 14 days prior to arrival. You might as well just save some time and money and fly back directly from Spain then ignore the quarantine.

66652 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Graham, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #822 of 1542 🔗

They ask you to fill it in. Then they ask you if you have filled it in. Reader, I lied.

66787 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Graham, #823 of 1542 🔗

Ah they must have changed their policy, they read mine in some detail at the border, maybe because I was unmasked, who knows. That said, most of the information on the form cannot be easily verified…

66331 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Major Panic, 3, #824 of 1542 🔗

There are rumours that France,Germany and Belgium might be next in line
“The news comes as new cases in Germany creep higher, prompting the UK to reportedly consider adding Germany and France to its quarantine list, according to the Telegraph: “A Telegraph analysis reveals most countries on the Government’s list of ‘safe’ holiday destinations have, like Spain, seen COVID-19 incidence rates rise sharply in the past week to post-lockdown peaks.”But the most serious news out of Europe on Monday comes out of Belgium, the country with one of the highest virus-linked mortality rates in Europe. Belgium’s prime minister Sophie Wilmès announced a series of additional restrictive measures following a significant spike in coronavirus infections, warning that the country could be facing its second “complete lockdown” if things don’t quickly improve.” zerohedge

66355 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 7, #825 of 1542 🔗

Sweden starting to look more and more like the winner

66328 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #826 of 1542 🔗

There was a vox pop of an angry middle aged brit just returned from Spain. Talks to microphone then unusually turns to camera and reprimanded to government saying get your finger out and get the vaccine sorted. I think this was Sky coukd have been bbc its all the same – the vox pop may as well have been hand picked by government to encourage vaccine uptake, it probably was.

66333 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 5, #827 of 1542 🔗

Just commented below (to Carrie). It was Sky interview from Manchester airport. Smell a rat – she is a stooge – always suspicious of people so ‘confident’ on camera in times of stress!

66488 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #828 of 1542 🔗

One likes to think one would be confident if ever asked to do an interview, TT. There would probably be a tad too many words they’d need to bleep out though …

66381 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 2, #829 of 1542 🔗

I would not be surprised if TV channels are now using video morphing and voice synthesis to make people say what they want them to say. Re-animating their faces to form the words. With voice now I am sure it is pretty easy to get a sample of speech then use it to build a synthetic voice. If the subject only said a few seconds of words it would be hardly noticeable. Even more so if people are masked up and saying stuff. This would be child’s play.

66431 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Two-Six, 1, #830 of 1542 🔗

Thirty years ago a friend of mine did an interview for ITV news and he was shocked when he saw it on TV,they had chopped it around and edited it so much and what he said came across as the opposite of what he actually said and that was with the technology of the late 1980s.

66568 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Two-Six, #831 of 1542 🔗

Masks allow for this voice changing to happen. See saving syria’s children bbc dicumentary exposé on uk column and else where in which this very thing occured in 2013.

66785 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, #832 of 1542 🔗

Highly likely.
If, like me, you happen ever to gave been quoted in a newspaper, you’ll know that what you are quoted as having said bears no resemblance to what you really said.

66375 ▶▶▶▶ Youth_Unheard, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #833 of 1542 🔗

It was fantastic seeing Lewis Hamilton, world class nitwit accidentally repost an anti covid vaccine video to 18 million people, then of course issued a snivelling apology, which was to be expected.

66426 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Nick Rose, #834 of 1542 🔗

I didn’t obey the first one,no-one I know did,will never obey not matter how many times they try it.

66291 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 9, #835 of 1542 🔗

bring on the vaccine – the nappied can Q round the block for it, that is their choice, and good luck to them – i welcome anything that brings back sanity and normality, i could not give a shit about after effects of a jab i won’t be having.

66293 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Major Panic, 4, #836 of 1542 🔗

Agree, but the way this is going, you will have to be vaccinated before you can enter a shop!

66296 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #837 of 1542 🔗

you are probably right – but shops are turning into a thing of the past

66299 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 4, #838 of 1542 🔗

interstingly our town center has had plastic barriers placed in the short stop parking areas by the numpties at the council of idiots – in town today they had all been pushed over and cars were stopping everywhere to nip into shops, some even had masks on – I don’t think we’re having it here – well i hope…. time will tell – but we are a funny lot round here

66301 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Major Panic, 4, #839 of 1542 🔗

Speaking of which – has anyone seen anything of kh1485 recently? Haven’t seen her around in ages

66307 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to matt, 1, #840 of 1542 🔗

Yes, bit worrying that she has not been on here for a while.. Hope she is ok!

66312 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to matt, #841 of 1542 🔗

I am guessing the council business addvice bla bla bollocks commitie have caught her in a big chitty chitty bang bang net and have her hostage, and are busy re-programing the poor thing

66435 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to matt, #842 of 1542 🔗

Yes,I’m concerned about her too,hopefully she is okay and is just having a break from the turmoil.

66786 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Major Panic, #843 of 1542 🔗

PUSH is the magic word!

66673 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Major Panic, 1, #844 of 1542 🔗

what happens if after the jab they turn into Zombies? No wait, sorry, how could we tell the difference?

66302 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #845 of 1542 🔗

Is it just me or are more and more Tory MPs now repeating this statement?

66324 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Carrie, 2, #846 of 1542 🔗

Possibly. I smelled a rat with the angry woman interviewed at Manchester airport this morning – said all the right things about masks and vaccine. Was she a government stooge?

66334 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #847 of 1542 🔗

Watch out for those parroting entire government lines. Or those who talk up the government with regards to this present crisis. Maybe they are, maybe they aren’t.

66352 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Nick Rose, #848 of 1542 🔗

Especially those oily, superior Tories you get on Spectator comments.

66339 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #849 of 1542 🔗

This! I only just now read your comment TT. That woman stunk like a rat. I hope she reads this and invites me round to discuss – a brain dead moron of a lady. Totally self absorbed. And possibly a useful idiot to the government. She certainly smiled knowingly at the interviewer at the very end of clip – looking for approval. Bitch. Cow. Boot. Whatever is more offensive.

66351 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Basics, 2, #850 of 1542 🔗

“Here’s your £50 Waitrose voucher, love.”

66366 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 4, #851 of 1542 🔗

Apparently she is a care worker called Joanne Jackson, who will now be losing £2000 in pay!

66418 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #853 of 1542 🔗

Gunna get me a care job!

66805 ▶▶▶ PowerCorrupts, replying to Carrie, #854 of 1542 🔗

Yes, they are. They are also claiming that the experimental vaccines are safe, even though they haven’t been through safety trials. They seem to be potentially liable for negligent misinformation, they occupy positions of trust and should not be making such statements.

66803 ▶▶ PowerCorrupts, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #855 of 1542 🔗

URGENT: US doctors held conference in DC exposing cov19 and demand use of hydroxychloroquine as cure and preventative. After going viral Facebook took down video PLEASE WATCH and share: its on Breitbart link below:

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/27/facebook-censors-viral-video-of-doctors-capitol-hill-coronavirus-press-conference/

The 2005 NIH funded (Fauci is head of CDC? NIHstudies that first showed chloroquine’s effectiveness in coronovirus treatment:.
22 August 2005
CDC Special Pathogens Branch

MJ VIncet, E.Bergon, S. Benjannet, BR Erickson, Pierre Rollin, T.G. Ksiazek, NG Seidah,

ST Nichole. Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread. Virology Journal. (2005) 2: 69

Chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS CoV infection of primate cells in tissue culture. These inhibitory effects are observed when cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic preventative and treatment use. The paper describes three mechanisms by which the drug might work and suggest it may have both a prophylactic and therapeutic role in Coronavirus infections.

Multiple studies have established its effectiveness since then, Association of American Physicians & Surgeons has a file of them

66263 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 1, #856 of 1542 🔗

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3094758/coronavirus-chinese-authorities-test-six-million-residents

Here we go again. Six million to be tested in four days.

“Chinese health officials announced on Sunday that they would test all residents of the
northeastern city of Dalian as the local authorities scrambled to control the spread of a new cluster of Covid-19 infections.Dalian, a port in Liaoning province with a population of over six million people, confirmed 12 new cases of local origin and 14 asymptomatic cases on Saturday. Dalian’s cluster of infections was first reported on Wednesday, when a 58-year-old man working at a seafood processing company tested positive.”

66668 ▶▶ Biker, replying to swedenborg, #857 of 1542 🔗

I wouldn’t believe the Chinese government if they told me i like to ride Motorcycles and drink Bitter

66738 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Biker, #858 of 1542 🔗

I like Double Diamond, Bass and Newcastle Brown.

66784 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to richard riewer, #859 of 1542 🔗

Corona is the only choice, surely?

66281 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 11, #860 of 1542 🔗

The masked majority cannot see this:

66287 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Dave #KBF, 13, #861 of 1542 🔗

It’s just a piece of cloth (sarcasm)! No, they don’t understand what a slippery slope it is and that’s what scares me the most. Between the absence of any science for masking and the collectivist rationale (it’s not for your protection but for the protection of others), it’s shaping up to be a very scary world.

66739 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #862 of 1542 🔗

Hello Lisa from Toronto, I am Richard Riewer from Montreal.

66284 richard riewer, #863 of 1542 🔗

The Nannies are on a roll now. They will be clamoring for more cash soon. Say no to more Nanny State subsidies.

66289 James Gittings, 1, #864 of 1542 🔗

If Johnson and Hancock are serious about reversing obesity, just simply make the public aware of low carb diets such as keto and carnivore as well as intermittent fasting. Channels are saturated with comments crying success and one channel, What I’ve Learned cites medical literature to back up the success of low carb diets.
This is how we can make obesity a thing of the past without burdening the taxpayer.

66295 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #865 of 1542 🔗

The thought struck me today that the last time people in Britain had to “cover up” was in the “black out” during the war. But that was windows and not faces.

66297 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Ned of the Hills, 14, #866 of 1542 🔗

It was also to protect from bombs.

Not common colds.

66314 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Farinances, 1, #867 of 1542 🔗

I suppose one could say comparing a mask to a blacked out window is like comparing a bomb to a bomb that explodes and only kills 0.25% of people in its vicinity.

66740 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ned of the Hills, #868 of 1542 🔗

Let’s make up some miniature blackened windows.

66304 PeteMate, 10, #869 of 1542 🔗

“Our duty in life is to live it and not be afraid” Inspirational stuff from Prof Dolores Cahill. Worth a watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=YQzdvxUiJCc&feature=emb_logo

66315 Wesley, replying to Wesley, 5, #870 of 1542 🔗

There’s a major white coat whistleblowing event happening today in the US – livestream here –
https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com/

Also this Twitter feed –

https://mobile.twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD

66422 ▶▶ A13, replying to Wesley, 1, #871 of 1542 🔗

I’m just watching it now. WOW!

66316 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 5, #872 of 1542 🔗

Have an idea for a new theme park: Stasiland. Send all the snitches there and lock them inside. Allow occasional visiting privileges.

66343 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to richard riewer, 3, #873 of 1542 🔗

90% agree. I would disallow ALL visiting privileges, unless paying to go to point and laugh.

66321 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #874 of 1542 🔗

Get your snp branded face masks here: https://www.snpstore.org/collections/all/category_face-masks

Bit of a stooshie over them with critics saying the snp are exploiting a global pandemic. One mask says ‘yes’ – the word from 2016 that in fact turned out to be ‘no’.

66323 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 2, #875 of 1542 🔗

Maybe for Indyref2 we can turn the question around: “Should Scotland remain a part of the United Kingdom?” That’ll have the graffiti artists scurrying around Scotland for a bit!

66337 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Basics, 1, #876 of 1542 🔗

Priceless. It’s only a few days since Kim-Jong Nik was accusing Boris of politicising the pandemic…

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/23/boris-johnson-accused-of-politicising-covid-19-during-scotland-trip

66357 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to DJ Dod, 3, #877 of 1542 🔗

Agreed, with the Spiteful Nannying Party everything is political.

Another question to which the answer is Yes.
Did scottish care homes under the Scottisch Natzi Party have a worse death rate than England?
There you go, sums up wee krankie and her band of incompetents in one lesson.

66935 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Nessimmersion, #878 of 1542 🔗

And total deaths SEVEN times higher in Sturgeonland than similar countries
https://twitter.com/AgentP22/status/1288029031254949888

66325 EllGee, replying to EllGee, 14, #879 of 1542 🔗

I’m in a state of shock. My MP has just booked a call with me for the end of the week.

66326 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to EllGee, 7, #880 of 1542 🔗

Make sure you tape the conversation!

66348 ▶▶▶ EllGee, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #881 of 1542 🔗

What to talk about in a sane manner is the problem. I’m very prone at the moment to go off on a rant and if that happens they’ll hang up.

66369 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to EllGee, 4, #882 of 1542 🔗

Script some of it. Have a list of “key words to avoid”

66593 ▶▶▶▶ James007, replying to EllGee, #883 of 1542 🔗

MPs are used to being on the end of rants and know about to bat things off. (eg. “thank you for taking the time to let me know your views, and I will be taking this and all other views on board as we move forward etc…..)

If it’s possible one tactic is to back up your points with some specific examples about how government policy has impacted you personally or hit the local community. Perhaps you make it specific and personal, rather than broad and general it might be more effective
Hope it goes well!

66340 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to EllGee, 12, #884 of 1542 🔗

I’d be in a greater state of shock if that was your GP…

66332 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 1, #885 of 1542 🔗

the government, the science, the media – are all components of the same thing – what controls the thing?

66345 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Major Panic, 2, #886 of 1542 🔗

My view – they are all following their own agendas, which overlap. Others see something beyond that, and previously I wouldn’t have given that much credibility but things have got so bizarre that I am starting to wonder.

66395 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Major Panic, #887 of 1542 🔗

All paid off. Players involved: Gates, WHO (instructed pro Covid-19 messages only – censorship), World Bank & IMF (loans with strings attached), pharmaceutical companies, other vested interests, incompetent Governments (on the take)

66621 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Major Panic, #888 of 1542 🔗

Dunno, but they probably use a 5G network. 🙂

66341 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 2, #889 of 1542 🔗

Shielding. Public Health Newspeak.

66346 ▶▶ Julian, replying to richard riewer, #890 of 1542 🔗

Yes, I have never liked that term.

66407 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to richard riewer, 2, #891 of 1542 🔗

I prefer ‘cowering’. However I don’t mind the use of ‘shielding’ in the sense of the ‘shielders’ i.e. the members of staff in care homes who should be ‘shielding’ their residents. Shame we’re all supposed to be ‘shielding’ each other and nobody seems to give a fuck about them.

66349 Fiat, replying to Fiat, 1, #892 of 1542 🔗

A couple of songs, both by Chicago from their VI album: “What’s This World Coming To” and “Something In This City Changes People “.

66743 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Fiat, #893 of 1542 🔗

Corrupt Mayors.

66350 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 6, #894 of 1542 🔗

Masks.
People should be aware it can be a fetish:
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/mask-appeal

Wattsupwiththat has a feature today in which they conclude that masks in a non clinical setting are likely to increae the spread of Covid

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/07/25/does-universal-mask-wearing-decrease-or-increase-the-spread-of-covid-19/

Watts up have a long track record of exposing statistical fraud being used to push an agenda.

66356 ▶▶ Fiat, replying to Nessimmersion, #895 of 1542 🔗

I saw that. Numerous comments below the line with a number advocating the wearing of masks. Seems that climate skepticism doesn’t necessarily equate to lockdown skepticism.

66358 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #896 of 1542 🔗

yes – don’t wear them – enjoy air – its free

66783 ▶▶ annie, replying to Nessimmersion, #897 of 1542 🔗

A fetish is precisely what it is.
The discomfort probably reinforces the voodoo. A little suffocation now prevents death later.

66360 Clive, 1, #898 of 1542 🔗

Toby, re your calculations of the percentage chance of dying of covid while being obese: Google tells me that the chance of being killed in a car accident in a year is 1 in 20,000. This means 0.005% – which is considerably higher than the 0.0036% you arrive at, which you suggest is remarkably similar to the chance of being killed in a car accident. So, even more risky getting in a car compared with not wearing a face-nappy than you thought!

66361 janis pennance, 4, #899 of 1542 🔗

Has anyone who has been “forced” to wear a mask by their boss checked the Health & Safety rules ? They could be forcing someone who shouldn’t actually be wearing any for m of PPE ? Have they checked how long they should wear them , what sort of work they should be doing wearing them ? Etc
Many conditions mean any reduction in oxygen is a big red flag

66362 mjr, 6, #900 of 1542 🔗

Just watching football and commentator mentioned that the goalposts and corner flags were being disinfected during the drinks break. .I never realised this but that is the prime reason as per Daily Telegraph (paywall) 8th july

“The drinks breaks have sparked controversy since they were brought in under Project Restart with some managers suggesting they have become nothing more than a tactical time-out.
It had been thought the primary reason for adopting them was for players, as they work back towards match fitness after the three-month lay-off, to take on vital fluids to rehydrate during summer weather while playing twice a week. The breaks are scheduled for natural pauses in the action mid-way through each half.
However the over-riding reason for using them is as part of the stringent protocols introduced by the Premier League to complete the season. In the protocols it was written in that equipment such as goal-posts and corner flags needed to be disinfected during the matches. Staff walk around the pitch with spray while the drinks breaks take place.”

Unbelievable!
Also noted on Match of the Day – they still have to show a short version of the players all taking the knee at the start of the highlights for each game. But at least they have stopped doing the virtue signalling voice over to explain why it is being done.

66367 mjr, 1, #901 of 1542 🔗

Also , thought of an appropriate song for today’s news
“Cat Scratch Fever ” Ted Nugent

66372 Youth_Unheard, replying to Youth_Unheard, 25, #902 of 1542 🔗

I would just like to share my experience working on the shop floor today, keeping myself interested counting muzzlers vs normal people. Bear in mind this is in Wales, where there are no mandatory masks, on the contrary the scientific advice is strangely being followed and they are saying they are pointless! Incredibly depressing counting about 50/50 mask wearing, and if you include gloves as well, without masks, I think it could have ticked over half. This is from a large sample I saw of pretty much 400 people throughout the day. The worst was seeing a father without a mask, but young son wearing a mask! I was not encouraged to say the least on the fight against masks, it seems that so many are willing to comply without any laws, most likely because their newspapers and TVs are telling them it is the “right” thing to do for “society”.
I also proudly did not wear a mask, and as far as I was aware got no dirty looks off customers. I was told they are strongly advised, but they cannot force me to wear one, so bingo! I considered for a nanosecond, but then of course logic triumphed and I opted to do the sensible thing and show everyone that there is nothing to fear. Hearing many complaints from people, about it making it very hot, many keep taking breaks to go in the store rooms to take them off and have a breather, literally. Also heard complaints about breathing difficulties too. And they are so hard to hear what is being said behind them! Many times I saw today people removing their masks to communicate most certainly within 1 metre of customers, and vice versa. It really boggles the mind to think that these people actually believe it is doing something useful, and that all the downsides compensate for them supposedly “saving lives” whatever that means nowadays.

66383 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Youth_Unheard, 7, #903 of 1542 🔗

Can an employer force, for example, a shop worker, to wear a mask to serve customers? I imagine not if that person has some kind of medical condition, but what if you just find them horribly uncomfortable? Asking for a friend. Any insights appreciated.

66408 ▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Julian, #904 of 1542 🔗

Ask to see Health & Safety guidelines for PPE , after all that is what a mask is and should be stringently monitored in a workplace

66427 ▶▶▶ Youth_Unheard, replying to Julian, #905 of 1542 🔗

No, they cannot as this article points out http://laworfiction.com/2020/07/do-employees-have-to-wear-masks/
But as I was told today, they can’t stop me if I really don’t want to, and boy do I not!

66474 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, #906 of 1542 🔗

I don’t know Julian. But the employer should certainly have a Risk Assessment in place. I’d guess masks should be covered in the H&S@Work policy as well.

66483 ▶▶▶▶ Youth_Unheard, replying to JohnB, 1, #907 of 1542 🔗

I believe that risk assessments are pretty much the key to businesses realising they don’t have to do any of this nonsense. None of it is law, and all the risk assessments currently being done simply assume that covid is a serious and imminent danger. This is totally contrary to all other risk assessments where the first question is what is the risk and HOW does it affect employees/customers? Of course they are all buying the government line of serious and imminent danger, when in effect of they looked at all the evidence they would have to conclude that no such danger exists.

This goes into depth about how this can work, ideal to share with any bussinesses out there who might be living in fear of disobeying government guidance, as long as they have a robust risk assessment and communicate with employees their findings, they are within the law, and will almost certainly see booming business as a rrsult!

http://laworfiction.com/2020/07/risk-assessments-an-important-chink-in-the-lockdown-armour/

66792 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to JohnB, #908 of 1542 🔗

Thanks for the replies all.

66385 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Youth_Unheard, 2, #909 of 1542 🔗

If it’s a part of Wales where there are a lot of tourists, you might be finding (as I did in Llangollen last week) that the mask wearers may well be tourists as yet unaware of the different laws.

66781 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, #910 of 1542 🔗

That’s my experience in West Wales. As soon as they realise face rags aren’t compulsory, off they come.

66434 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Youth_Unheard, #911 of 1542 🔗

Crazy Fools

66376 Mike Smith, replying to Mike Smith, 21, #912 of 1542 🔗

Patronising BS in the Telegraph about the psychology of anti-mask people.

Includes this: “If one’s priority is to look after oneself and ignore others, there’s no point to wearing a mask. If one is altruistically motivated, there is every point,” Digby Tantan, Clinical Professor of Psychotherapy at the University of Sheffield.

The article ends by saying that in Scotland people were wary, but got used to the idea very quickly. Isn’t that nice? Anyone feel like they’re being unsubtly nudged? Unsurprisingly they don’t allow comments at the end of the article.

There are other reasons, Professor. One is that a mask reduces the amount of oxygen in the blood, which is clearly unhealthy and presumably dangerous for many people. Another is that it makes no difference unless you would otherwise have been rushing up to strangers and licking their faces. It would stop you doing that, I suppose. Also the virus has virtually gone. Also masks make people afraid of the virus and so they don’t shop and the economic collapse of the high street continues.

The only point is to stop coughs and sneezes going anywhere. But if you’ve got symptoms you should be at home anyway! Not hard to understand!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/27/rise-anti-maskers-psychology-face-coverings-causing-much-upset/

66386 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to Mike Smith, 22, #913 of 1542 🔗

Funny how nobody cared about “the others” when they were buying up loo roll, flour, eggs, baby milk formula, etc…

66412 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to IMoz, 9, #914 of 1542 🔗

Spot on,in my experience of the last few years most people don’t care about anyone else but they expect everyone to care about them and make the world how they want it.To be honest I don’t expect strangers to give a toss about me and I couldn’t give a toss about them.

66430 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Paul, 5, #915 of 1542 🔗

I give even less of a toss about most people now. I really don’t want to know 90% of the UK population.

66446 ▶▶▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Two-Six, 1, #916 of 1542 🔗

I can’t stand the virtue-signaling morons, quite frankly, Pavlov had more difficulties experimenting with the dogs he fed than the herd-mentality of the “look at me” lot! 😉

66506 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to IMoz, 2, #917 of 1542 🔗

Its a limited prescribed amount of selflessness they go in for as unthinking as it is. If they were truly selfless they would remain in their shoe box and never interact with a human again. They choose to put other at risk by driving cars, and taking walks in the country that may result it death or harm to others. Its not possible to argue this but it is factually correct.

66550 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to IMoz, #918 of 1542 🔗

And these will be the same ones glaring at you from above their pretty spitkid masks.

66778 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #919 of 1542 🔗

They wear nappies in their own car and then tell you it’s to protect others?

66388 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Mike Smith, 6, #920 of 1542 🔗

Have you read his Wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digby_Tantam

‘A prolific advocate of electroconvulsive therapy in the 1980s’

66397 ▶▶▶ Mike Smith, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #921 of 1542 🔗

Good spot. Yikes.

66414 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #922 of 1542 🔗

Cruel torture

66554 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #923 of 1542 🔗

Leopards. Spots.

66390 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mike Smith, 29, #924 of 1542 🔗

I’d like an opportunity to forcefully explain to “Professor” Tantam how the psychology of masking actually works:

“If one’s priority is to reassure oneself as to one’s own worthiness and to signal the same to others, thanks to low self esteem or a desire to dishonestly project false virtue, then one will be inclined to wear a mask despite its objectively counterproductive nature overall. Similarly, those with a need to submit to authority or to conform to social fashion will inevitably be inclined to nappy up.

If, on the other hand, one has other priorities, such as an altruistic aspiration to promote social virtues such as courage, “keeping calm and carrying on” in the face of possible hazard, or resisting bullying and tyranny, of the mob or of government, or if one has no need of external support for one’s self-worth, then one is likely to resist the pressure to parade in a soggy face nappy.”

66416 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Mark, 2, #925 of 1542 🔗

Very well put Mark.

66417 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Mike Smith, -3, #926 of 1542 🔗

Sounds like how the Church used to work. Only good people believe in God.

66423 ▶▶▶ Mike Smith, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #927 of 1542 🔗

Not really.

66558 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #928 of 1542 🔗

I always used to assume the people who went to church were the ones who needed to.

66478 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Mike Smith, 5, #929 of 1542 🔗

Except Adam Smith beat you to it in 1776. His famous Invisible Hand is not just for markets. If someone strives to be selfish and keep himself of the highest quality, health wise, it tends to influence those around you. To the extent everyone looks after themselves but also, and most importantly, EXERCISES their immune systems. Hence by being selfish it appears that your actions are guided by an Invisible Hand that improves the health of others.

66538 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Mike Smith, 1, #930 of 1542 🔗

I wonder how many of these ‘altruistically minded’ people will give up using their cars in the interests of others.

66545 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Bella, 3, #931 of 1542 🔗

Oh, it has never been about altruism. It has never been about “saving lives.” It has been about fear for your own life, and nothing more. People have been convinced that this thing is dangerous to everybody , which means literally nothing more than: “oh, shit – this might be dangerous to me!”

Altruism, with respect to covid, is exactly the opposite. It is a demand that everyone else be altruistic – i.e. it is selfishness. Kind of reminds me of Obama’s “hope and change,” or “systemic racism.” The political left has made an art out of using language to mean the exact opposite of what you’re saying, and covid has been a 5-month long art exhibit.

66546 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mike Smith, 3, #932 of 1542 🔗

Of course, if I was signed up to the DT, I could leave a comment pointing out that Japan has lots and lot of altruistic people wearing masks. But after a quiet few months, “cases” are climbing again. Looks like the muzzles failed then. Let’s cut out the middle bit and just chuck the bloody things (responsibly) away.

66570 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mike Smith, 4, #933 of 1542 🔗

Imagine an alternative universe where the narrative is instead “If you’re young and healthy, catch covid, develop herd immunity, protect the vulnerable and save lives”. Then we could shame people for NOT sitting on beaches and in parks, and for wearing masks…

66629 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mike Smith, 2, #934 of 1542 🔗

Funny how useless academics are happy to suck up funds from the state with never a thought for how the money might be better spent: alleviating poverty, supporting enterprise and innovation or investing in infrastructure.

66654 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Mike Smith, #935 of 1542 🔗

Altruism is the very worst thing a human being can do. A good deed never goes unpunished is a truism proven time after time. People must help themselves or face this massive over bearing nightmare government system that regulates every single thing in life. I’m struggling to think of a single thing in our society that they don’t have rules for and all for what? So people, can go we must do something to help. Will they never learn.

66663 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mike Smith, #936 of 1542 🔗

Probably a lot of the same people who live in nice places that people like to visit who got upset about crowds coming to their area during lockdown
We’re all in it together

66703 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Mike Smith, 1, #937 of 1542 🔗

This moral blackmail argument (“masks are to protect others”) needs to be attacked head-on. I’m pondering the best way to do it. An individual has primary responsibility for their own health, and consideration for others’ health is important but not at the expense of their own. I think that a mask potentially damages my health. Anyway they offer little protection, especially when used in the careless ways currently evident.
Any other suggestions?

66378 James Gittings, 1, #938 of 1542 🔗

Some good news. Petition to repeal masks in shops is past 20,000 signatures and is growing faster than a petition that calls for a full scale mask mandate. Please sign if you haven’t already.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/331430

66380 NickR, replying to NickR, 10, #939 of 1542 🔗

Herre’s a link to a BBC report from 30th Nov 2018 about the 50,000 excess deaths that no one in the UK had noticed that happened when, why, earlier that year!!! You couldn’t make it up!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46399090

66394 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to NickR, 4, #940 of 1542 🔗

Yes, but it wasn’t Wuhan Lab Flu, so it didn’t matter then, and it doesn’t matter now.

66401 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NickR, 5, #941 of 1542 🔗

That’s an excellent find, just astonishing how a bit of spin can change people’s view of something so completely. I’d love to see stats around March next year for population-adjusted mortality globally.

66429 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Julian, 2, #942 of 1542 🔗

My guess is that you’ll have to find them for yourself because the BBC won’t be publishing them in a hurry.

66440 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Julian, 1, #943 of 1542 🔗

Yes, we get back to the Overton Window, how you react to the news depends on how it’s framed. It’s essentially the same story, but one year it’s just another story the other time it’s framed as the end of the world.

66421 ▶▶ Mark, replying to NickR, 10, #944 of 1542 🔗

How we dealt with 50k deaths in sane times (2018): “Oh gosh, look, we just had 50k excess deaths last winter! Oh well, hopefully we can do better next winter. What’s for breakfast?”

Fast forward to 2020; “Oh god oh god we’re all going to die, quick hide under the covers, please Big Brother save us, take everything, forget about civil rights, self respect, basic decency, put us in house arrest, anything, just save our miserable lives at any price…”

66438 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to NickR, #945 of 1542 🔗

Was that the year they picked the wrong flu jab? Its all hit and miss.

66542 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Dan Clarke, #946 of 1542 🔗

I think so. You have to second guess with the flu family, in case they send a distant cousin round this time.

66589 ▶▶ PWL, replying to NickR, #947 of 1542 🔗

This article tells me that the flu vaccine damages health terrain, and old people are more vulnerable to this than young.
http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/03/pneumonia-and-covid-19-and-the-veracity-of-the-one-virus-one-cause-paradigm/

66611 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to NickR, #948 of 1542 🔗

Brilliant Nick. I hope Toby picks up on this and highlights this above the line.

66387 RDawg, replying to RDawg, 14, #949 of 1542 🔗

This.

66400 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to RDawg, 3, #950 of 1542 🔗

So it flatlined

66406 ▶▶ DRW, replying to RDawg, 2, #951 of 1542 🔗

But SECOND WAVE!

66389 Ben Shirley, 28, #952 of 1542 🔗

I had to catch the bus (unmasked, obviously) to see a friend who lives in London yesterday. At one stop, I saw a weathered, dishevelled man stoop to pick up a cigarette butt, which he eyed for a few seconds before tossing it away again. He then proceeded to rifle through the bin in the hope of finding something to eat.

Of course, I don’t know how he came to be in that situation. Maybe he’s the result of tragically bad luck or maybe he’s a degenerate junkie and it’s all his own fault. Either way, he’s harmless but he’s living in abject misery. Meanwhile, Boris Johnson has spearheaded a campaign to destroy everyone’s financial stability and now he’s pretending the only things that matter in life are making everyone wear a death shroud and stopping people thinking about burgers. And while other people are homeless and starving, he’s enjoying an astronomical salary and eating the very best of whatever he likes.

My contempt for the man has reached a new height.

66396 Marie R, replying to Marie R, 7, #953 of 1542 🔗

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3461012060600071&id=138007436233900&anchor_composer=false

This is interesting. An educational FB post from Public health agency to help us understand what a curve is and of the comments I’ve read so far, they are nearly all sceptical, it’s backfired.

66424 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Marie R, 4, #954 of 1542 🔗

Comments are very telling , hoorah

66404 Nobody2020, 4, #955 of 1542 🔗

Uni professor is labelled ‘heartless’ for her COVID-19 ‘body count’ theory and arguing Australia should take a Swedish-style approach to the virus that could leave 25,000 people dead
http://dailym.ai/30464h9

  • Gigi Foster suggests Australia should follow Swedish-style lockdown approach
  • Suggested Australia hadn’t properly weighed up consequences of restrictions
  • If Australia follows the relaxed lockdown up to 25,000 people could be killed
  • Argued government prioritised health over economy by going into lockdown
  • Came under fire from Q&A host Hamish Macdonald and viewers on social media
66410 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 17, #956 of 1542 🔗

Positive signs for Swedish economy:

Swedish companies reap benefits of country’s Covid-19 approach
https://on.ft.com/30UkGim

“What is the likelihood that you get more lockdowns? What is the likelihood that this fear factor subsides?” asked Mr Danielson. “That is going to be the big question of how quick the recovery will be. Now it’s about psychology, it’s about people.” He is not alone in thinking that Sweden has a subtle psychological advantage by dint of having stayed more open and having people less scared of working, shopping and socialising outside the home.

66445 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #957 of 1542 🔗

I’m going to report on Sweden’s economic performance (relative to other countries) at uni this year. Probably won’t go down well though!

66450 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to DRW, #958 of 1542 🔗

Good for you!

66453 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to DRW, #959 of 1542 🔗

It’ll be interesting to see the hospital stats here in Sweden tomorrow – fairly sure the numbers will be down again. My landlords’ daughter works on the Covid ward here in Uppsala and has almost no patients…

66454 ▶▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to DRW, #960 of 1542 🔗

Do you mean actually “at” uni? Or are you supposed to work from home?

66490 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, 1, #961 of 1542 🔗

Still not sure and it might come down to personal choice. But regardless, I will try my hardest to ensure the truth is heard- even if only by a small audience.

66594 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to DRW, #962 of 1542 🔗

Be careful. You might be cancelled.

66411 Cheezilla, 15, #963 of 1542 🔗

Peter Hitchens: ‘Wearing face masks is a great big badge saying I support the government’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_kq8RnomBk&t=36s

66415 janis pennance, replying to janis pennance, 9, #964 of 1542 🔗

Ooooo look , the Chancellor has realised it isnt going well on the High Street , people would rather shop online if they have to mask
So lets Tax it and make some dosh
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/online-sales-tax-considered-in-bid-to-save-the-high-street/ar-BB17foCf?ocid=msedgdhp

66433 ▶▶ Basics, replying to janis pennance, 10, #965 of 1542 🔗

Just in from Edinburgh High Street. I wonder if it has ever been more quiet at anytime in history save air raids. I walked the whole length of the mile (under a mile – royals can’t count) I possibly saw 30 people maximum. One of the few pubs open had three people in it. Spoke to the bemasked door stop who announced it is dead.

66449 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Basics, 6, #966 of 1542 🔗

sad situation – businesses and organisations should be lobbying the government on this. I wonder how long it’ll take them to do so … when the bailiffs are knocking on the door???

66516 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sue, 7, #967 of 1542 🔗

They’re cowards the lot of them. I will feel sorry for the workers when they’re made redundant but I won’t shed any tears for the CEOs of businesses and organisations when they go under. If they were serious about wanting the business or organisation to survive, they would have fought the government tooth and nail to put a stop to the antisocial distancing and muzzle wearing.

But they didn’t and are now paying the price.

66540 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rick, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #968 of 1542 🔗

That is how I feel now. Long enough for some fight back. They deserve all they get. The workers – depends if they supported all the nonsense and sat back with the furlough dosh. If they fought to reverse things they deserve better.

66600 ▶▶▶▶▶ PWL, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #969 of 1542 🔗

There was a time when workers would strike when they thought their jobs were threatened. I have no sympathy for people who have no sense of self-defence.

66641 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #970 of 1542 🔗

Absolutely right – daily we hear of more redundancies and cuts etc and behind that callous announcement by the media spouting their numbers are families scared shitless of what they are going to do, and how they are going to survive.
What really gets my goat is everyone in the private sector is wondering if they will have a job at the end of the year, whereas the public sector are sitting protected and get a pay increase from the government!
Don’t they realise that the private sector are the revenue generators that pays the public sector and which is being hardest hit in this shitstorm!

66552 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Sue, #971 of 1542 🔗

Its perhaps of benefit that it appears there isnt yet a movement to fix the political issue. When it blows its going to be quite a large event.

66477 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Basics, 4, #972 of 1542 🔗

It’ll be fine, because in just a few days the city will be packed with people there to spend money over the festival period, filling the permanent and temporary pubs and bars; packing out the restaurants, paying to get into venues barely bigger than a broom cupboard; every spare bedroom will be filled with a struggling actor or comedian desperate to find somewhere to stay for a month and anybody who wants one can have a month’s employment manning a ticket desk or working behind an outside bar or selling t-shirts and programmes!

Oh… wait…

66492 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to matt, #973 of 1542 🔗

Don’t forget hogmanay…..shiiiitttttt

66497 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to matt, #974 of 1542 🔗

Now it will just be empty collection hats and buckets on the pavements and tumbleweed.

66549 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to matt, #975 of 1542 🔗

Festival is on zoom this year. Ha! Can you imagine – there a killer death bug o bugs on the loose but stsy in and Fringe.

66644 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Basics, 2, #976 of 1542 🔗

Maybe the virus is a good thing if it keeps the kind of wankers that go to the Fringe away from Edinburgh. These fuckers come here and holiday in Scotland at massively tax payer funded venues while the people of leith live in slums. I doubt not one of these fuckers ever consider the people of leith. Nothing pisses me off more as a musician and artist than the government funded arts. My friends and i have over the decades put on and played hundes of gigs and art exhibitions all at our own expense. many of these made money or broke even but there have been plenty of times we’ve done stuff that cost us but since we’re into art and music it was worth it. We have tried over the years to get “funding” just because it was there and why the fuck not but alas despite a provable history of many many events they don’t consider us suitable. It’s to do with none of us having degrees in the arts. These people wouldn’t know art if it drew a smiley face on their Baw Sack.

66902 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Biker, 1, #977 of 1542 🔗

Biker – you are clearly not woke enough to benefit from the arts gravy train. Similarly i dont think the BBC would invite you to be on “The news quiz”… You dont really come across as a Jo Brand or Nish Kumar (i.e totally left wing and totally unfunny).
Keep it up!!!

66476 ▶▶ Bella, replying to janis pennance, 8, #978 of 1542 🔗

So let’s all not shop, period, unless it’s absolutely essential. Bring this government down. Resist.

66578 ▶▶ PWL, replying to janis pennance, #980 of 1542 🔗

Yes, it’s quite clear that UK Government would be reacting to its failure to get people into masks – and is trying to force it. As Bella says below, let’s not feed it unless we really have to. There would be two outcomes: pressure on Government through unhappy big name retailers (e.g. Amazon), and perhaps a “black market” that creates ways to sell without any Government oversight. (And creating this alternative system is the subject of this article [“Exiting Babylon: the only way to escape being prey for UK Government in perpetuity”]:

http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/07/exiting-babylon-the-only-way-to-escape-being-prey-for-uk-government-in-perpetuity/ )

In fact, I think people will be happy up to a point to pay an online sales tax if it means not wearing a mask on the high street. It’s still a defeat for UK Government.

66777 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to PWL, #981 of 1542 🔗

I’m nit happy, but I’ll pay the tax if I have to. And, let’s admit it, dodge the tax if I can. Meet shit with shit.

66776 ▶▶ annie, replying to janis pennance, 2, #982 of 1542 🔗

So you make the high street so unpleasant that nobody gies there, then punish them for not going.
Impeccable Fascist logic.

66432 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #983 of 1542 🔗

It’s funny how I see people coming into the museum I work muzzled up and every time we tell them that it’s OK, you don’t need them here, they remove them and one can see the relief on their faces. Plus they seem to smile for the first time.

The fact that they’re mandated in shops is perhaps one reason why certain people think they should be muzzled all the time.

That said it doesn’t help that the National Gallery and the V&A “encourage” them

66448 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #984 of 1542 🔗

Any insight into what it’s like in the Tate? (Modern and Britain, in London)

66508 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, 1, #985 of 1542 🔗

I only found out about the V&A because I was looking into visiting their Kimono exhibition and didn’t like the dystopian regulations so decided to boycott.

Just checked the Tate and its the same – timed tickets, recommended muzzling; so yep, another place to boycott.

66772 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #986 of 1542 🔗

Better, go there without a face rag.

66442 Azoumi, replying to Azoumi, 55, #987 of 1542 🔗

Thought long and hard about writing this post tonight but feel like I need to share my musings in a sort of day-in-the -life style post…my job is in the social care sector; I am professoinally qualified and my job includes ‘putting people in hospital’ against their will. Today, I had one such ‘job’ in the community…PPE necessary so on with mask and gloves; fair enough to protect the vulnerable categories…3 carers 2 district nurses 2 doctors and me so not much room for social distancing…commenced the ‘job’ of talking away to the person who was already struggling with issues and in extreme need of physical health treatment in hospital but didn’t want to go…legal issues here re capcity etc. jump ahead a little and job complete, person going into hospital as risks so high they could not stay at home. Wating for ambulance…patient transport turned up! call for proper ambulance in case this person needs actual intervention on the way there…so hour n half after decision made ambulance turned up and person eventually safely deposited in ambulance and off to hospital. During this I had to talk and descision make, write and use my phone…try that with mask on and sweaty gloves…your phone wont’ work! I had to go in and out of person’s house 2/3 times so mask changed 2/3 times…all this in the street, in the rain where the neighbours could see it all…ID badge dangling away…hardly discreet or protective of someone’s privacy but what can you do? Finally, in my car to go to hospital following ambulance…mask off…breathe! regulate breathing back to normal before driving…oh and remember to remove the glove I left on, only one because I’d abandoned the other so I could make calls I needed to make. Arrive at hospital…mask on again (no: 4) and go up to reception and ask for directions to the ward…could’nt hear receptionist because of ambient noise going on around us and her mask and the screen in front of her so she had to move across slightly and pull her mask down; at least a quarter mile walk through the hospital and up steps in a bit of a hurry cos that’s the nature of my job, always in a hurry,with mask on to get to ward and complete the ‘job’. On the ward I observed quite a lot of very relaxed nursing/health staff with seemingly little to do (on an AMU – acute medical unit) in varying states of mask ‘un’-dress…under their chins/noses; pulling then down, pulling them up again, same masks…you get the picture. Meanwhile, I was roasting hot in mine…glassess steamed up constantly…while I waitied for someone to accept my paperwork….which took 45 minutes….I felt like passing out…struggled to keep my panic under control. What a relief once I was outside again! Basicaly I had to wear the mask (well more than one) for around 7 hours…granted not 7 hours solid but…not to mention that hindrance the additional steps it causes you to have to make just trying to do normal things like make a phone call…I suppose the moral of this story is two-fold…in a hospital, on a ward, I saw nothing that led me to beleive that health staff are concerned about what is going on and I can guarantee there was less stress there today than there is in some of these shops! I know what that tells me….and that those people that are saying “just wear a mask” really have no idea how bad it is to try to do your usual work in them and that have no choice but to wear them and then we’re supposed to do this in our own time as well?! What a load of bollox!!! sorry for the ramble and if you’ve read to the end, thank you

66457 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Azoumi, 3, #988 of 1542 🔗

Thank You!

66458 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Azoumi, 14, #989 of 1542 🔗

Don’t apologise. Thanks for sharing. I’m just thinking after reading your account – how long can this go on for before people just say, enough!

Months ago, m y wife was told by several NHS consultants she works with that they regarded mask wearing in any situation outside the operating theatre as worse than useless. Who are these so-called ‘experts’ who are pushing it everywhere? They are certainly not from the front-line medical profession.

66461 ▶▶▶ Azoumi, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #990 of 1542 🔗

Thank you, and I know…who are these experts? They certainly have no insight into the reality of mask wearing in everyday life on a long-term basis…absolute idiots! I’ve worked on the front line throughout the whole lockdown…fair enough wearing a mask when carrying out face to face with people…but I’m not dead yet! nor do I beleive I’ve infected one single other person!

66504 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #991 of 1542 🔗

Mr Dee
There are lobby groups world wide pushing this shite, masks4all.org.uk is the UK group. Have a look at the make up of the group and it’s aims. It ain’t about the science…..

66555 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to T. Prince, 3, #992 of 1542 🔗

I am well aware of that group. Insidious. It was interesting to research the people involved and the organisations they have been involved in. The same names crop up again and again. Like the strands of a web leading to the spider in the centre.

66574 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #993 of 1542 🔗

Bill G is the spider!

66561 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #994 of 1542 🔗

Really, HOW MUCH LONGER ARE PEOPLE GOING TO TAKE THIS SHIT!

66567 ▶▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Two-Six, 2, #995 of 1542 🔗
67073 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, #996 of 1542 🔗

They are not told about it, most are blissfully ignorant.

66459 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Azoumi, 4, #997 of 1542 🔗

Please do send your account to Simon Dolan!

66464 ▶▶▶ Azoumi, replying to Carrie, 8, #998 of 1542 🔗

I’ll consider that…signed up to keep britain free just yesterday…never done anything like this in my life before but I am so against the injustices that are happening I can’t just say nothing!

66560 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Azoumi, 2, #999 of 1542 🔗

While you are in the mood for signing stuff, and just in case you haven’t already:

Repeal the decision to implement compulsory face coverings in English shops .

66573 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mark, 1, #1000 of 1542 🔗

That petition needs to be moving faster – please share it if you haven’t done so yet!

66606 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Carrie, 1, #1001 of 1542 🔗

I’ve passed it to the few contacts who might consider signing. I don’t generally do social media, though, so not much reach.

66607 ▶▶▶▶▶ Azoumi, replying to Mark, 1, #1002 of 1542 🔗

Thanks but done already couple of weeks ago; sent it to my kids as well…there was another one I signed as well but can’t remember where the link is. I’ve also signed the one against masks for school children…very important! and I’ve written to my MP…heard not a peep back mind you!

66985 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hannahbanana, replying to Mark, #1003 of 1542 🔗

Signed and shared on facebook. It’s pathetic that I get nervous whenever I have shared anything anti-lockdown/mask.

66525 ▶▶ Rick, replying to Azoumi, 1, #1004 of 1542 🔗

Great insight thanks. Can you press your employer to reveal their risk assessment. They not only need to consider risk of harm from a probably unlikely infection but the harm and distress from the procedures they are insisting on. It is neither lawful or satisfactory to ignore the other issues.

66615 ▶▶▶ Azoumi, replying to Rick, 1, #1005 of 1542 🔗

interesting thought, I am the sort of person to ask that too just out of bloddy-mindedness; difficult when I can be in and out of health builidings/hospitals/care homes…have to see where it all goes

66537 ▶▶ Martin Spencer, replying to Azoumi, -4, #1006 of 1542 🔗

Paragraphs exist for a reason.

66595 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Martin Spencer, 2, #1007 of 1542 🔗

Normally I’d agree Martin. But if you read the post, you’ve seen the kind of day Azoumi has had.

66610 ▶▶▶ Azoumi, replying to Martin Spencer, 2, #1008 of 1542 🔗

Thanks for the reminder…but writing as a normal person on here and not in my professional report writing mode…

67079 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Azoumi, #1009 of 1542 🔗

Ignore the nitpicker!

66677 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Martin Spencer, 1, #1010 of 1542 🔗

Pilkunnussija.

66592 ▶▶ Mrs Two-Six, replying to Azoumi, 5, #1011 of 1542 🔗

Thanks Azoumi,
I am a carer and wear all the usual PPE (that we always have done) plus now the apron (more often) and mask (at all times). I find my glasses steam up, it is not comfortable to breathe, apron a flipping nuisance, hot, sweaty. It has been a real battle of emotions over the last four months, panicking about the use of masks and have considered leaving a job I love. I am zero hours and fortunate that I still have work as all of the agency that we used have gone and most of the other bank staff. I need the job and so adhere to the measures…at work. I am becoming more comfortable separating work/personal life and taking control over what I do in my personal life and today went into a shop (first need since mandatory face masks) bare face. I might have to adhere to this at work but I do not have to in my own time. If people say ‘get over it’, bully for them, they can go and do what ever they want. This shaming of people is unacceptable. Aren’t we supposed to be getting better at recognising people’s mental health, anxieties etc? I was particularly anxious about going into the community with the woman I support and bought this up at a staff meeting recently and established that I can wear a scarf (not ideal but better than the surgical mask). The guidelines actually say ‘in hot weather’ – well I’m perimenopausal so I AM HOT WEATHER!! Good luck!

66696 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Azoumi, 1, #1012 of 1542 🔗

Thank you for sharing, this kind of front-line information is valuable.

66701 ▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Azoumi, 3, #1013 of 1542 🔗

I work on the ” front line ” as well .Working in the out of hours on Saturday I met a new colleague . He was in the back office writing on the computer and wearing a face nappy. I thought ” what a tw+t ” . He had an arrogant humourless face .

He mumbled to me and I said I couldn’t hear him because he was wearing a ” face nappy ” . I must remember to be more careful …. I don’t want to be denounced .

66812 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Peter Thompson, 3, #1014 of 1542 🔗

Another SW here. Work in a busy CMHT. No one wears a face nappy in the office despite it being mandated (NHS building). Most just going with the flow re PPE for visits etc but like 90% of the population are just playing the game for a quiet life.

67081 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Peter Thompson, #1015 of 1542 🔗

I don’t want to be denounced .

And there’s the problem, in a nutshell.

66734 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Azoumi, 4, #1016 of 1542 🔗

Nurses who worked during the early days of the Covid, when it looked quite scary are very pissed off about being forced to wear masks now it has virtually passed.
Porters at my hospital don’t wear them despite going all over the place, probably told management to get stuffed.

66771 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1017 of 1542 🔗

Moral: they need porters.
Like shops need customers?

66769 ▶▶ annie, replying to Azoumi, #1018 of 1542 🔗

This should be on the front page of every newspaper in the English-speaking world.

66789 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1020 of 1542 🔗

Social Work England are doing an ongoing series of guest blogs – ‘people from a range of backgrounds share their lived and learned experiences of current social work practice’.

Might be worth sharing this?

66444 Wesley, replying to Wesley, 7, #1021 of 1542 🔗

There is a really important whistleblowing event running in DC today – American doctors are speaking out – please check it out on Breitbart

66534 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Wesley, 4, #1022 of 1542 🔗

Considering it is the Bakersfield doctor who was lambasted early on, I highly doubt that this will get much traction… if you agree with the party line on covid, you are an expert. If you disagree, you are a quack. Funny how that works. So similar to global warming. Easy to say “100% of experts agree” when you define “expert” by virtue of whether you agree…

66849 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to RyanM, 1, #1023 of 1542 🔗

14 million viewed it on Facebook alone before it was memoryholed.

67064 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #1024 of 1542 🔗

Great!

66447 Lisa from Toronto, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 15, #1025 of 1542 🔗

Thank goodness for Sweden! All of the other western governments will be in cover-up mode and we may never get the truth, but their obfuscation may not stand up to scrutiny because we have another western country against which to compare outcomes.

66456 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 8, #1026 of 1542 🔗

They will do their best, but it’s hard to make a whole country disappear. Will those who made the right choices in Sweden go down in history as the people who more than anyone else saved the human race from disappearing up itself?

66472 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, 5, #1027 of 1542 🔗

Sweden the beacon of hope. It’s still got an economy too!! It’s wonderful to see the reactions of lockdown zealots when they say how many lives their wonderful lockdown has saved, and all I say is “Sweden”.

A satisfying up yours moment. Always results in some sort of meltdown :o))

66480 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1028 of 1542 🔗

“Sweden”
“But it’s been horrible there, hasn’t it?”
“Sigh”

66484 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to matt, 3, #1029 of 1542 🔗

To be honest, the biggest annoyance for me in Sweden has been the prohibition of gatherings of over 50 people – mainly because I’m a member of a big church, so we have not had any services since March. We have online ones via our youtube channel, but it’s not the same.. Apart from that, my life has changed comparatively little 🙂

66509 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Carrie, #1030 of 1542 🔗

Services in batches, max = 49 souls ?

66562 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to JohnB, #1031 of 1542 🔗

Our church has a membership in the thousands and on Sundays over a thousand usually attend! Smaller meetings have continued though.

66569 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to JohnB, #1032 of 1542 🔗

Actually our local cinema has recently re-opened, allowing 50 people per session, with 2 empty seats between people. Better than nothing!

66564 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Carrie, 1, #1033 of 1542 🔗

No restrictions on singing or anything 🙂

66649 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Carrie, 4, #1034 of 1542 🔗

To be honest what bothers me most isn’t any specific restriction, it’s the systematic evil dishonesty

66493 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1035 of 1542 🔗

Back in May I bought an I Love Sweden T Shirt and wear it whenever I can in public. Not only is it a declaration of my tourism preferences, it’s now also a political statement.

66773 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Julian, #1036 of 1542 🔗

Yes.

66475 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #1037 of 1542 🔗

Seconded. Thank goodness for Sweden :o))

66463 matt, replying to matt, 17, #1038 of 1542 🔗

I’ve been thinking, with all the popularity the hashtag #wearadamnmask has been getting from celebrities, woke types and so on, we need our own hashtag to get the message across.

I was thinking #pissoffignorantvirtuesignallingsheep but I’m not familiar enough with twitter to know whether that might be too long. Suggestions welcome.

66470 ▶▶ Bella, replying to matt, #1039 of 1542 🔗

#maskersain’tgotnoscience

66481 ▶▶ Sue, replying to matt, 2, #1040 of 1542 🔗

#masksarepoliticalstatementnotscience
that’s the most polite thing i could think of 🙂

66495 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to matt, #1041 of 1542 🔗

#MaskImpactFA2FAsquared (I wanted to write FA2FA2 but couldn’t get the right symbol for squared)

66500 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to matt, 7, #1042 of 1542 🔗

#masksR4morons

66501 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to matt, #1043 of 1542 🔗

#whatisthismasqueradeabout

66511 ▶▶ Doodle, replying to matt, #1044 of 1542 🔗

#burnthedamnmask

66517 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to matt, 1, #1045 of 1542 🔗

#masksmakeuill

66521 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to matt, 5, #1046 of 1542 🔗

#freetheface

66523 ▶▶▶ Azoumi, replying to RyanM, 1, #1047 of 1542 🔗

brilliant! I like this one…

66527 ▶▶ Basics, replying to matt, #1048 of 1542 🔗

#savethenhsfromthegovernment

66529 ▶▶ Basics, replying to matt, 4, #1049 of 1542 🔗

#showusyoursmile
#freethesmile
#smilesbetter

66536 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Basics, 3, #1050 of 1542 🔗

#grinandbareit

66532 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to matt, 1, #1051 of 1542 🔗

#TempleOfTheMask

66533 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to matt, 2, #1052 of 1542 🔗

Keep it simple #covidfightthelies

66551 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to matt, 2, #1053 of 1542 🔗

#freeyourface

66553 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1054 of 1542 🔗

What’s a hashtag

66556 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to matt, 9, #1055 of 1542 🔗

#savingface

Reflects both what we should be doing and what the gvt. are doing

66566 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to matt, 1, #1056 of 1542 🔗

Or alternatively #covidnothingburger

66579 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to matt, #1057 of 1542 🔗

What about one from The Truman Show…#HowWillItEnd?

66620 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to matt, #1058 of 1542 🔗

#masks4slaves

67063 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nick Rose, #1059 of 1542 🔗

#masksR4slaves

66471 Carrie, replying to Carrie, 6, #1060 of 1542 🔗

I live in Sweden. One statistic that is not often reported is that 26% of the people who have died here were actually over the age of 90. So not just ‘old’, but ‘very old’. Whilst every death is sad, it cannot be said that these people died a long time before they might otherwise have done – particularly as the last couple of winters have been mild, with fewer than average flu deaths.

66473 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Carrie, 7, #1061 of 1542 🔗

As is admitted by Sweden, they lost control of the care home situation. They are far from alone in that. And at least they damned well admit that is what happened, unlike the cowards elsewhere in western Europe.

66482 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1062 of 1542 🔗

Interestingly, a fair number of people aged 90+ in Sweden who were confirmed cases actually survived – just looked at the stats. 1486 people aged 90+ died, but out of 3526 people in that same age range who tested positive.

And yes, there were a lot of mistakes made with the care homes, including things that have not been reported much outside of Sweden. In Stockholm, where most deaths occurred, and where there was most pressure on deaths, there were for example policies of not treating those 80+ and merely putting them onto palliative care…

66524 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Carrie, #1063 of 1542 🔗

While that’s potentially troubling, I’m not aware that there actually an effective way of treating anyone once they get to ICU stage anyway (other than continuing to correct for the underlying issues that are exacerbating the problem in the first place). Apart from induced coma and ventilation- which seems to have been very ineffective – in most countries in the western world, ICU treatment seems to have been mostly palliative care + monitoring + hoping the patient gets better*. And there are very good reasons you might not put someone over 80 into an induced coma and onto a ventilator under any circumstances.

I may well have missed something and hopefully one of the medics around here will correct me.

* yes, I’m aware that in actual palliative care you’re not anymore hoping that the patient gets better

66559 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to matt, 2, #1064 of 1542 🔗

Oh I know about the harm ventilators do…and I’d not be in favour of major interventions in the case of an elderly person with severe dementia, for example. However there are a fair few stories people have told about their relatives not being offered less invasive oxygen support (cylinder + mask/nose ‘prongs’) and just being put onto palliative care in the form of morphine. When they pushed for the palliative care to be removed and for oxygen, the relative recovered…

66779 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Carrie, 1, #1065 of 1542 🔗

Ah. Yes, that’s not good.

67100 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, #1066 of 1542 🔗

At least they got palliative care.

Other countries with mandated DNRs let their oldies die of dehydration and neglect.

66599 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1067 of 1542 🔗

We do have to consider what getting control of care homes means… depriving elderly and confused individuals of contact with their families is cruel. Requiring care staff to wear masks at all times further increases the alienation experienced by those being cared for. The death toll in care homes might well reflect the demoralisation of old people in care homes as much as the impact of infection.

66627 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OKUK, 1, #1068 of 1542 🔗

For sure I bumped into an old man and his daughter, the poor old chap was suffering from bad dementia, he went into a total panic about trying to social distance himself away from me, it was tragic to see.

66503 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 4, #1069 of 1542 🔗

“Public health” is a meddler’s charter for our public guardians. It enables them to focus on the abstract ideal without the bothersome business of actual customers or patients.
For example, they can decide that “public health” is best served by giving everyone a pay rise. No need to treat patients at all.

66513 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to WhyNow, 5, #1070 of 1542 🔗

Public health has a creeping remit. Once a real force for good in ensuring clean water, safe food and good housing, it now ignores many threats to public health eg “beds in sheds” accommodation while indulging in posturing on voguish causes.

66586 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to OKUK, 5, #1071 of 1542 🔗

Many, if not all, previously beneficial institutions and organisations have been taken over by the bad guys, and their once noble goals perverted.

66614 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JohnB, #1072 of 1542 🔗

Hear hear!

66617 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to OKUK, #1073 of 1542 🔗

Creep8ng is out the window. Public Health has been stocked to the gunnels with reimagining newthink cp trained staff and is on the rampage. They are the central units for causing this social change.

66518 anti_corruption_tsar, 14, #1074 of 1542 🔗

Went for my first swim post-lockdown today – had to book it last night so miss the spontaneity of just turning up. Proof needed of purchase and then scanner machine through the leisure centre app. Get changed poolside then 4 wide lanes, maximum 8 per person. Fast lane was ok as everyone was around the same pace. Contrary to what I previously read and said on here, butterfly is permitted provided social distancing carried out but backstroke not allowed – contrary to the previous regs I heard about. Pre-lockdown the pool used to be open until 10.30pm, now only open until 8pm, and now 6.30am in the morning as opposed to 6am before – running now on a skeleton staff who can be lifeguards poolside, as well as attending to anything gym / indoor tennis court related at the facility…..so I sympathise with them trying to cut costs to remain viable – they’re trying to do their best in difficult circumstances. One of the lifeguards remembered me from going all 3 nights pre the lockdown, and talked to me with a knowing look that everything that I warned about with the nonsensical lockdown has come to pass. Post swim, only communal showers available, then onto a very restricted number of cubicles to get changed, and then a long walk around a 1 way system to get back to the car park. Pity any swimmers who can’t walk very well, it’s about three times the walk it was pre-lockdown.

Then went on to do the weekly shop at Tesco – just had to show my mask exemption certificate on the door, but apart from that nobody bothered me. Only saw 1 person not wearing a mask, and he had a chat with me out of interest. Everyone else (probably about 60 fellow shoppers) have meekly surrendered to authority. I will never surrender, for if I have to wear a mask, I’ll personally see it as a defeat to the likes of Gates, Soros and Charles Schwab of the World Economic Forum, with these nonsense ideas.

66522 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #1075 of 1542 🔗

My friend who works in a care home report they have had three corona test now in the past two weeks. All negative, another tomorrow.

They only managed to begin testing two weeks ago since the Scottish Government and civil service work in a Big Top. Tests all ovbiously negative.

I think they are using carehome staff to keep the test numbers up – refuse and you are suspended. Its pretty grim actually.

My friend is dealing well with it. Wisely not ever reading or watching the news (soaptastic) they have recognised something is badly wrong as none of the info reaching them makes sense.

66539 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 2, #1076 of 1542 🔗

Thats mad, testing care staff once a week if they aren’t ill. Yes I think most agency staff have to get tested weekly in the UK too.

66541 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Basics, 2, #1077 of 1542 🔗

I gather from relatives that the test is unpleasant and invasive. I might investigate whether anyone’s been damaged by such tests.

66548 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OKUK, 1, #1078 of 1542 🔗

Yes sounds horrible, and especially if done by a twat.

66531 Cambridge N, replying to Cambridge N, 1, #1079 of 1542 🔗

Matt ‘Oberleutnant Hubert Gruber’ Hancock reminds me of the Austin Powers baddy when it comes to understanding what constitutes a big number. Dr Evil demands the world pays him $1,000,000. He quickly changes it to $100,000,000,000.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTmXHvGZiSY

If Hubert Hancock thinks saving the NHS £100,000,000 over five years is a big number….!

66557 ▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to Cambridge N, #1080 of 1542 🔗

Dr Evil in number fun action again! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyyqoHCkw9I

66571 ▶▶ James007, replying to Cambridge N, 3, #1081 of 1542 🔗

I thought this was odd too.
£20m annual saving for an organisation with an annual cost of £140bn?!

66575 ▶▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to James007, 1, #1082 of 1542 🔗

Yes, while the track and trace set up was over £10,000,000,000 just for starters! Or so they said.

66583 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cambridge N, 2, #1083 of 1542 🔗

Probably the biggest his brain can compute. If I was his parents, I’d want all that school fees money back.

66794 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Cambridge N, 1, #1084 of 1542 🔗

And yet, apparently, a similar number is of no interest when it comes to billing foreign nationals for medical treatment on the NHS.

67048 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cambridge N, #1085 of 1542 🔗

Thank goodness he isn’t the Chancellor!

66544 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 11, #1086 of 1542 🔗

Preprint, not peer-reviewed yet:

Change points in the spread of COVID-19 question the effectiveness of nonpharmaceutical interventions in Germany
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.05.20146837v2

Conclusions: The decline of infections in early March 2020 can be attributed to relatively small interventions and voluntary behavioural changes . Additional effects of later interventions cannot be detected clearly. Liberalizations of measures did not induce a re-increase of infections. Thus, the effectiveness of most German interventions remains questionable. Moreover, assessing of interventions is impeded by the estimation of true infection dates and the influence of test volume.

66563 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #1087 of 1542 🔗

I am still waiting for the well-conducted study to come out showing that masks are absolutely useless, or that they are even harmful. Right now, I don’t think there are a lot of people who would be willing to risk their careers even attempting such a study. That it is such a hot-button issue is telling.

66577 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to RyanM, 1, #1088 of 1542 🔗

There have been lots of studies that show they don’t work.
https://www.primarydoctor.org/masks-not-effect
But WHO cares about that.

66588 ▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Two-Six, #1089 of 1542 🔗

oh, I know – same response to IMOZ above. As I have been saying to everyone who cares, the CDC and WHO used to recommend against masks, and they cited actual studies to back up those recommendations. Both have changed, and the cites to studies disappeared. There have been no new studies to show that masks work, but because so many people are now recommending it, we’re hearing all about how “emerging science” shows that they are important in the fight against covid. Apparently, the “science” being referred to is people on youtube coughing into petri dishes.

What we need now is recent proof of ineffectiveness. I know that sounds stupid, but I think it is necessary because stupid is what we’re dealing with. We need an actual study that involves covid (not influenza) and is both recent and very clear in its results – and then we need that to be widely publicized. Better yet, have it replicated in additional studies.

66603 ▶▶▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to RyanM, #1090 of 1542 🔗

There have been CCSs that claim OR less than 1 but they are actually so bad that they are comical to read, in one they actually had subjects take oseltamivir phosphate and didn’t bother adjusting their OR for that!

66612 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to RyanM, 2, #1091 of 1542 🔗

The recent studies are junk “science” made up of opinions and non-peer-reviewed models. We know how well models have worked! They use words like “might” be helpful, “could possibly” be helpful. Without RCTs they can only equivocate. Sceptics in the scientific community are appalled at what is passing for science these days. Peer reviewed articles/studies take many months if not a year to appear in print. Any recent “science” on the efficacy of face masks is simply garbage.

66618 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 2, #1092 of 1542 🔗

Lisa, I absolutely agree. Most pro-maskers don’t even bother to cite to anything, they just tell you that you’re an asshole for not agreeing. Or they respond with anger. The “new studies” coming out are basically just people saying “there isn’t as much covid in Japan and they all wear masks!” Which, as I’ve pointed out, is a bit like saying “there isn’t as much covid in Texas, we should require that people wear cowboy hats!”

But, this quote really gets to the heart of the matter. It isn’t about science, it’s about anxiety .

We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 20 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic.

66634 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to RyanM, 1, #1093 of 1542 🔗

Most pro-maskers don’t even bother to cite to anything, they just tell you that you’re an asshole for not agreeing. Or they respond with anger.

That’s pretty much how religious “logic” works, remember that Vatican only in 1992 admitted that Galileo might have been onto something [1].

1. https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg13618460-600-vatican-admits-galileo-was-right/

66690 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to IMoz, 1, #1094 of 1542 🔗

We are all Galileo now! Hopefully I’ll be vindicated before I die.

66698 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to IMoz, #1095 of 1542 🔗

I think they apologised for the Inquisition around that time too.

66767 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, 3, #1096 of 1542 🔗

Gee, so in 500 years’ time the Church of Covid and the Holy NHS might apologise for choking people with filthy rags, killing people with ventilators, slaughtering them in care homes, killing them with cancer, destroying freedom, trashing culture….
Seems a long time to wait.

66926 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to IMoz, 1, #1097 of 1542 🔗

If FB had been around in Galileo’s time, he’d have had his videos banned as heretical.

66689 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to RyanM, 2, #1098 of 1542 🔗

I’d also like the pro-maskers to explain to me how the mask protects them and not me. Is there a one-way system for the virus like the one-way arrows in the shops? It defies logic.

66723 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 2, #1099 of 1542 🔗

The one way system is actually dangerous: it increases your time at the venue because you can’t shortcut and therefore actually increases your potential exposure and therefore increases risk—whoever thought of it is the most inept person ever.

66598 ▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1100 of 1542 🔗

(two-six: the problem with a link like that, as convincing as it may be, is that it will be immediately written off as being junk science, as it comes from a “neuropath physician.” Kind of like citing to a chiropractor. I’ve sent a lot of links to people who then respond that it is nonsense because the person is an anti-vaxxer, for example…)

66604 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to RyanM, 1, #1101 of 1542 🔗

Yer I know, actually I didn’t look to see who had written the pages, just that its packled full of good reputable studies that show masks are crap. But yes I know what you mean.
Emerging science on masks….for flips sake.

66580 ▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to RyanM, 4, #1102 of 1542 🔗

How about a randomised controlled trial (just have you use correct query terms 😉 ) : https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25903751/

Objective: The aim of this study was to compare the efficacy of cloth masks to medical masks in hospital healthcare workers (HCWs). The null hypothesis is that there is no difference between medical masks and cloth masks.

Setting: 14 secondary-level/tertiary-level hospitals in Hanoi, Vietnam.

Participants: 1607 hospital HCWs aged ≥18 years working full-time in selected high-risk wards.

Intervention: Hospital wards were randomised to: medical masks, cloth masks or a control group (usual practice, which included mask wearing). Participants used the mask on every shift for 4 consecutive weeks.

Main outcome measure: Clinical respiratory illness (CRI), influenza-like illness (ILI) and laboratory-confirmed respiratory virus infection.

Results: The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI statistically significantly higher in the cloth mask arm (relative risk (RR)=13.00, 95% CI 1.69 to 100.07) compared with the medical mask arm. Cloth masks also had significantly higher rates of ILI compared with the control arm. An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%.

Conclusions: This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection. Further research is needed to inform the widespread use of cloth masks globally. However, as a precautionary measure, cloth masks should not be recommended for HCWs, particularly in high-risk situations, and guidelines need to be updated.

Trial registration number: Australian New Zealand Clinical Trials Registry: ACTRN12610000887077.

Keywords: Cloth mask; Influenza.

67038 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to IMoz, #1103 of 1542 🔗

Here’s a quote from an NHS advice sheet:

Face masks do not protect you from COVID-19. It is much more important to wash your hands properly and avoid touching your face and eyes. Specific types of face masks can protect health professionals looking after people with the virus. However, these people have training in how to use the masks and will only use them for a short period of time. In some cases, doctors will ask people with symptoms to wear a mask to help protect othersas a short term measure (. https://www.bsuh.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2016/09/Cancer-Patients-FAQs-for-website-COVID-19-1.pdf#:~:text=Face%20masks%20do%20not%20protect,people%20with%20the%20virus .)


And from an RCT reported in the BMJ:

onclusions This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection. Further research is needed to inform the widespread use of cloth masks globally. ( https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577.long )

66590 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to RyanM, 1, #1104 of 1542 🔗

The claim is that it’s unethical to do a randomized controlled trial to test the hypothesis that masks don’t prevent the spread of viruses. Once you’ve deemed a treatment beneficial, it’s not ethical to withhold that treatment from a control group and expose them to the “deadly” virus (scare quotes mine). This is why the only RCTs have been in healthcare settings, where I guess it’s ethical to try things like mask wearing because healthcare workers are already risking exposure by virtue of their chosen profession. With lay people you can’t purposely expose them to the virus and see who fares better. It’s the same with vaccines — you can’t do human trials because it would be unethical to expose children to viruses/diseases directly. Of course you can study vaccinated vs. unvaccinated populations but it’s career suicide to do so (who would fund it?). When it’s been done in the past, the unvaccinated children have lower all cause mortality than the vaccinated children. The scary thing about these Covid vaccine trials is that they have skipped animal testing altogether and have gone straight to human testing. They aren’t exposing people directly to the virus but are allowing them to risk exposure in their daily lives. Very scary! Just because a vaccine can elicit an antibody response doesn’t mean it will protect against the wild virus. Quite the opposite — animals who have been injected with coronavirus vaccines and then exposed to the wild virus have experienced the talked about cytokine storm and become more ill than they would have otherwise or died.

66596 ▶▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #1105 of 1542 🔗

There have been studies in domestic settings, here’s a systematic review of RCTs that found no difference: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

66601 ▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #1106 of 1542 🔗

And yet they are willing to infect healthy people with corona to test a vaccine?!?

66684 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Farinances, 5, #1107 of 1542 🔗

No, they won’t actually infect them but they will let them out into the community and see what happens. Interesting problem that…I believe the Oxford vaccine is being tested in Brazil because there isn’t enough community spread in the UK for the trial to be successful. Makes you wonder whether we really need a vaccine (read: we don’t).

67142 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #1108 of 1542 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jul/16/coronavirus-vaccine-oxford-team-volunteers-lab-controlled-human-challenge-trial

This is how it’s being reported. It’s all “hoping” and “planning” and open-letters, so I guess no absolute green light yet. Will be interesting to see. I can’t see the government not wanting this to happen– the vaccine is the only way for them to cover their tracks and continue to claim that the UK hasn’t reached herd immunity anyway, which they will do anything to avoid admitting.

67044 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #1109 of 1542 🔗

They aren’t exposing people directly to the virus but are allowing them to risk exposure in their daily lives.

If there are no “cases” around, then the subjects have nothing to catch. Will they then declare the vax works because the subjects didn’t get ill with covid?

67127 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #1110 of 1542 🔗

They have done animal testing, although I don’t know if it’s less than usual. Both the Oxford vaccine and a couple of the Chinese ones (that I know about) were tried on monkeys before they went to humans.

They are also very likely going to do challenge trials (deliberately infect people).

“Quite the opposite — animals who have been injected with coronavirus vaccines and then exposed to the wild virus have experienced the talked about cytokine storm and become more ill than they would have otherwise or died.”

This is exactly right– this was the problem with SARS1 and most MERS vaccines. But the monkeys for the SARS2 vaccines were OK which is why they have got as far as human trials (as have some MERS vaccines, including one which is very similar to the “Oxford” SARS2 vaccine).

66591 ▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to RyanM, 1, #1111 of 1542 🔗

An N95 vs medical mask in hospital settings produced no difference (N95 respirator: 8.2% infection rate, medical mask: 7.2%) [1] and neither is lower than the national average bracket of 3–11% [2]

1. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214
2. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/keyfacts.htm

66753 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RyanM, 2, #1112 of 1542 🔗

I read a study that suggested sticking your finger in your ear and spinning round 4 times would save you from the Covid, what utter tripe ! 3 spins would surely be sufficient.

66768 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 3, #1113 of 1542 🔗

No, The Science insists on 4. Go spin and don’t make unhelpful remarks that kill grannies.

66766 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to RyanM, 2, #1114 of 1542 🔗

If the world religion is voodoo you don’t challenge the voodoo priests.

66774 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, 2, #1115 of 1542 🔗

it only voodoo’s if you doodoo

66585 assoc, replying to assoc, 20, #1116 of 1542 🔗

Wherever I go in local shops I find a significant percentage not wearing their face nappies.
This seems to me to be the largest instance of civil disobedience since the poll tax.
I know that our leaders aren’t very bright but even they must realise that imposing laws that are going to be broken by significant numbers of ordinary decent people is simply counter productive

66587 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to assoc, 3, #1117 of 1542 🔗

YAY!

66752 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to assoc, 2, #1118 of 1542 🔗

Unlike the poll tax we don’t have to get militant and protesty about it, just don’t wear them.
Imagine going to Court for not paying the fine, would Magistrates Courts be declared Covid Exempt or would everyone be masked up, ain’t gonna work.

67026 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to assoc, 1, #1119 of 1542 🔗

Not actually breaking the law. They kindly included get-out clauses for everyone.

66597 Farinances, replying to Farinances, 33, #1120 of 1542 🔗

I just listened to Peter Hitchens on The Spectator podcast talking about his forthcoming blood donation, and the fact it is now compulsory to wear muzzles. I looked at his Twitter feed and indeed, it confirms his suspicions that he would be ejected if turning up unmuzzled (he tried to donate today). In the podcast he says he will be going to Wales to donate, where the policy is that muzzles are FORBIDDEN! – Because it’s dangerous that people may faint etc. and staff cannot see their facial expressions and complexion.

I’m not gonna waste my time going to my appointment (in a few week’s time) so I just cancelled and sent them a complaint.

“I have just cancelled my appointment and will no longer be giving blood until I am no longer required to wear a mask.

This policy is ludicrous. If my breath is a danger to others then my blood certainly is – If I thought I was a biohazard, I would certainly not be trying to donate it to premature babies!

Seems they will have to go without until my government, and the heath service, view me as the healthy person that I am. My blood comes with being treated like a person not a potential ‘case’.”

66605 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Farinances, 3, #1121 of 1542 🔗

On the radio earlier he was saying that if he had to wear a mask to give blood, he would rather go to Wales to donate as masks are not required, it was pointed out to him he would have to wear a mask on the train getting to Wales!

66608 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #1122 of 1542 🔗

Does he not drive?

66616 ▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to RyanM, 5, #1123 of 1542 🔗

Don’t think so. He often comments on being a very carbon neutral person as a rebuff to extinction rebellion types (who drive SUVs).

66651 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Farinances, 3, #1124 of 1542 🔗

yes the XR who drove a diesel landrover to pull their pink boat!! very carbon neutral hey!

66643 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to RyanM, #1125 of 1542 🔗

He had a close brush while driving in his youth – not necessarily his own death. That’s how I recall.

66669 ▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to RyanM, 3, #1126 of 1542 🔗

He cycles and uses public transport.

66613 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Dave #KBF, #1127 of 1542 🔗

Heh yeah! He could get a lift

66619 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Farinances, 3, #1128 of 1542 🔗

or like jesus he could ride into Cardiff on a Donkey

67022 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Biker, #1129 of 1542 🔗

A donkey called Boris?

66811 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Farinances, 2, #1130 of 1542 🔗

I’ll give him a lift. It would be a fascinating drive from Oxford to Wales with the Hitch as a passenger.

66681 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Farinances, 2, #1131 of 1542 🔗

You will be drained when compulsorily vaccinated. It’s for your own good.

66602 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 14, #1132 of 1542 🔗

If the World Health Organization had been around for the Spanish Flu 100 years ago human civilization might have disappeared from the face of the Earth.

66626 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1133 of 1542 🔗

If this had been Bird Flu with a CFR over 50%, we would’ve been royally f*cked right now!

66639 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to richard riewer, #1134 of 1542 🔗

Indeed!

66609 assoc, replying to assoc, #1135 of 1542 🔗

Can somebody remind me – what percentage of the covid victims put on ventilators survived?

66623 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to assoc, 2, #1136 of 1542 🔗

I think it was 14%, as I remember a report saying 86% who were treated with a ventilator died.

66637 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to JohnB, 3, #1137 of 1542 🔗

Yes bit of a death sentence being put on one of those.

66666 ▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to OKUK, #1138 of 1542 🔗

Did JCB, McLaren or Dyson ever get a ventilator into production?

66671 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dave #KBF, #1139 of 1542 🔗

I believe they did. Rolls Royce were producing them too instead of making aeroplane engines.

66679 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to JohnB, 2, #1140 of 1542 🔗

No wonder they died. Too much suck & too much blow.

66761 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, #1141 of 1542 🔗

Maybe they delivered the wrong gadget.

66697 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dave #KBF, #1142 of 1542 🔗

Lego got the contract

66903 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1143 of 1542 🔗

Dysin came out all guns blazing with a hand in governments hand. Initially gtech had truly played wonders under their own motivation. Gtech created a fantastic engineering solution within 6 days. Gtech morally decent imo. Then Dysin took over with fanfare and bunting… but oh so quiet now Dysin, trying to sweep it all under the ahem carpet.

66775 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to OKUK, 1, #1144 of 1542 🔗

Would they have died anyway? I think the ventilated has one foot out of the door so may not be correlated.

66642 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to JohnB, 2, #1145 of 1542 🔗

I think the figure for the UK is around 65% die. There was one hospital in New York (Queens?) where it was the death figure you mention, and some suggestion of doctors getting extra funding if they put people straight onto ventilators. Shocking at 65% let alone 86% – and completely unnecessary in most cases.

66658 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1146 of 1542 🔗

Yep, two thirds died in the UK, I’ve just found the New York figure and it was 88% so only 12% survival!

67016 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to JohnB, #1147 of 1542 🔗

ICU death rates varied rather widely across the UK from about 10% to 80%. Perhaps older people to start with in some areas but it’s unlikely premature ventilation doesn’t have a lot to do with this.

66670 ▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1148 of 1542 🔗

That was the interview with the nurse. She said the only patient who survived was a druggy who pulled the tube OUT of his gullet an refused to be intubated! Good for that guy.

67021 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Farinances, #1149 of 1542 🔗

Yes and the data don’t lie. Those places like Queens in NY (where she worked) had a ridiculously high death rate not explained by obesity and race.

66653 ▶▶ Sue, replying to assoc, #1150 of 1542 🔗

do they still use ventilators as an option or switched to alternative methods if needed?

66661 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sue, 1, #1151 of 1542 🔗

I think they swapped to CPAP machines as they were more effective.

67025 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Sue, #1152 of 1542 🔗

They do still use them as a last resort.

66624 Tim, replying to Tim, 18, #1153 of 1542 🔗

685 new cases today. That’s a handy number. One case per 100,000 of the population. At this rate Covid-19 will rip through the population in less than 274 years. Should we be worried?

66628 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to Tim, 12, #1154 of 1542 🔗

Wish the media reprted it properly: 685 tests that returned positive for SARS-CoV-2, which may include X% false positives, of those tests, Y are hospitalised, of the hospitalised, Z are in critical care… but that’d be way too honest…

66650 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to IMoz, 6, #1155 of 1542 🔗

There will be duplicates, triplicates, etc in these too as it’s based on number of tests, not on individuals who tested positive.

66657 ▶▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to JohnB, 3, #1156 of 1542 🔗

That’s actually a good point, I keep forgetting they’re reporting returns and not nhs numbers

66751 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to IMoz, 7, #1157 of 1542 🔗

Here’s a number, in the Bristol NHS Trust there were seven Covid patients in hospital this weekend, none in ICU, just flu-like ill. How many people live in greater Bristol, about a million?

66815 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to karenovirus, 3, #1158 of 1542 🔗

I understand that Northwick Park Hospital, which made the news back in March, is currently free of Covid cases.

66874 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to karenovirus, #1159 of 1542 🔗

think it used to be around half million but probably bit more now in Bristol

66676 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to IMoz, 3, #1160 of 1542 🔗

They either don’t know or don’t want to tell us.

66635 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tim, 2, #1161 of 1542 🔗

Yes we should be worried about Neil Ferguson’s thought processes.

66936 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tim, 1, #1162 of 1542 🔗

I do not know the new *case numbers* from Sweden, but today’s hospital stats continue to be encouraging: total of 302 patients in hospital (down 10 since Friday) of which 49 are in intensive care (down 4 from Friday). Total of 8 new hospital admissions but spread over 6 different regions (1 or 2 per region), and for the first time no new admissions in Stockholm.

There are now 13 regions (out of 21) with 10 or fewer CV-19 patients in hospital and of these 13, 9 have 5 or fewer patients in hospital with the virus. I would hazard a guess that by this Friday, there will be a few regions with zero Covid patients in their hospitals..

66941 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Carrie, #1163 of 1542 🔗

This shows the case numbers though I can’t find how many tests they did: https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa

66978 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, 1, #1164 of 1542 🔗

In week 29 – last week – they did 69 393 PCR tests.. If you look at table 2 (tabell 2) here: https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/statistik-och-analyser/genomforda-tester-for-covid-19/ and add up the figures per region in the column ‘varav positiva’ you can work out how many were positive – annoyingly they haven’t done so at the bottom.. The first column is how many PCR tests were done in each region.

In table 3 you can see the number of antibody tests done, with results – it is interesting that as far as results go, they actually have an extra column ‘ej bedömbara’, showing where the antibody result was unclear. So they do not just record positives and negatives; they acknowledge that the test is fallible..

66631 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 11, #1165 of 1542 🔗

Lord Sumption think piece in Telegraph, getting very good support in the comments:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/27/virus-has-taken-liberty-must-take-humanity/

66638 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 9, #1166 of 1542 🔗

Excellent piece, as usual from Sumption. The only point I would take issue with is this one:

Masks, by comparison [to antisocial distancing], are a minor issue. They are uncomfortable and depersonalising. They conflict with a basic instinct of Western society to interact visually, showing our faces. But if they encourage people to come out and live together again or to send their children to school, that can only be good. People will soon tire of them.

66646 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1167 of 1542 🔗

I was thinking that too, perhaps the govmint are doing what they think they have to do to get the scared people out of their houses with the placebo face nappies, knowing that people will rebel sooner or later by which time people will be out about about again.

Either that or they are just plain evil.

66757 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1168 of 1542 🔗

What makes you think that Matt the Death and Fetida Dickhead might not be evil?

66872 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, 1, #1169 of 1542 🔗

My default position is that they are actually evil, a tiny part of my humanity still wants me to think they MIGHT not be.

66770 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Two-Six, #1170 of 1542 🔗

In my wildest optimistic moments I hope so.

66867 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1171 of 1542 🔗

Then surely “Wear a mask, IF you think it helps you” would have been the way to go, rather than mandate? No, like the wasps in Saxondale, they’re just bastards.

66648 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1172 of 1542 🔗

Agree, but he at least sort of qualified it with the last sentence (I read it a second time and thought he was damning it with praise as a policy?)

66665 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #1173 of 1542 🔗

Yes, I hope he’s right; he could well be. There was a good piece on the Radio 4 PM programme (at about 5:30pm) on Friday last. A science historian was talking about Spanish Flu in the US in 1918 (as you might expect, the BBC presenter almost felt the need to apologise for referring to it as “Spanish” flu). Apparently, they were into face masks even then. Interestingly, in LA they were compulsory and in San Francisco they weren’t (it may have been the other way around – can’t remember). However, the city which mandated their use had greater contagion. Also, in areas where they were compulsory, people eventually got fed up with them and civil unrest ensued. This resulted in the compulsion being abandoned – I don’t think the interviewer stated how long this process took.

66667 ▶▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1174 of 1542 🔗

Wow that’s interesting! I never knew anyone had tried to mandate facewear before!

66741 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Farinances, 1, #1175 of 1542 🔗

There are plenty of photos with masks in articles on the Spanush Flu, incidentally it wasn’t even Spanish, being neutral in WW1 meant Spain did not have censorship so it cropped up in their press first.

66808 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to karenovirus, #1176 of 1542 🔗

Started in the US didn’t it? Or among US troops stationed in Europe.

66821 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mr Dee, #1177 of 1542 🔗

The original swine flu.

66758 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1178 of 1542 🔗

Who’s for a spot of civil unrest?Or, better still, uncivil unrest?

66942 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #1179 of 1542 🔗

Passive aggressive anarchy.

66830 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Tenchy, #1180 of 1542 🔗

Yes, I heard that too – switched on part way through. No need to let the current public debate be polluted with proper empirical science though.

Sumption’s phrase ‘people will soon tire of them’ seems very loaded to me.

66655 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1181 of 1542 🔗

Yes that shows he’s still capable of Supreme Court style conclusions! Why would anyone be encouraged to re-engage with society by wearing an uncomfortable contraption that prevents natural human communication and compromises their health?

66759 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to OKUK, 2, #1182 of 1542 🔗

Because to all intents and purposes zombies are dead already?

66683 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Tenchy, 31, #1183 of 1542 🔗

Yes, he is totally, utterly wrong there. I don’t understand how people like him and Steve Baker just don’t get it. If the state was trying to ban religious garb, no one would be saying it was a “minor issue”. For me, “instructing” me to wear a disgusting rag on my face, signalling to everyone that I agree with the government, impeding my breathing, affecting my vision, costing money, is unbearable. I hate and despise them for it.

66693 ▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #1184 of 1542 🔗

The key is ‘The Science’. They are all convinced there is some. For some reason.

66702 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Farinances, 9, #1185 of 1542 🔗

Really? I think top politicians are a good deal more cynical and intelligent than that. I think they know there isn’t “one” science. The only science they really warm to is behavioural science as it’s so close to their own discipline. I don’t think Johnson or Hancock really consider masks have a real preventative function: they think they have a mass psychological function.

66706 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to OKUK, 4, #1186 of 1542 🔗

No not them, people. People are convinced. By them. More’s the pity. And the Steve Bakers are just placating the people and retaining their seats. Sadly none of them are actually better than the rest.

66708 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Farinances, 1, #1187 of 1542 🔗

Right – I understand your point. Thanks for the clarification.

66746 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to OKUK, #1188 of 1542 🔗

No worries I was being woolly as usual ;p

66943 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Farinances, #1189 of 1542 🔗

Baker is a Chartered Engineer . I think of Engineering as being taking theoretical science to a more practical conclusion, what’s wrong with him on this subject?

66944 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Farinances, 1, #1190 of 1542 🔗

Does anyone here follow Jeff Taylor’s youtube channel? It is mostly about Brexit, and I know that is not the focus of this forum, but the virus and Brexit are not totally unrelated, in that I think there are a few closet rebel MPs who are only keeping quiet about the bad handling of the ‘pandemic’ because thus far, Boris and David Frost have been ‘solid’ as far as Brexit is concerned. However, according to Jeff’s latest video (here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0PdSGYB2bM ), David Frost has told MPs that the UK is only likely to get 60% of its Brexit demands. If that is true, then Boris really is toast, and likely sooner rather than later because he only got elected due to his Brexit stance..

66960 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Farinances, 1, #1191 of 1542 🔗

This sort of rubbish doesn’t help:

Lindsay Hoyle said: “It would be nice to be able to turn the clock back and know that you could have a full chamber without risk,” he told the BBC’s Westminster Hour. “But while there’s risk, I cannot see it. Safety does come first – it’s about protecting people.
“There is no greater day than seeing a packed chamber with everybody jostling to be in there. That’s what brings this House alive, that’s what makes this House. But that won’t happen until we know it’s safe.”

But here’s the telling bit:

“We’re elected to scrutinise. Members are elected to hold the government to account and we’ve got to allow them to do so. And if you’re briefing the press first, that’s not the way forward. It’s not good for Downing Street, it’s not good for relations and it doesn’t endear your own backbenchers. They want to know that they count and that they matter. And I think that’s the way forward for all of us.”

Backbenchers have been shown very clearly that they don’t count – and they’re paid a ridiculous sum not to!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/26/lindsay-hoyle-commons-may-never-return-to-packed-chamber-debates-says-speaker-coronavirus

66947 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, #1192 of 1542 🔗

They DO have a mass psychological function!

66945 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Farinances, #1193 of 1542 🔗

The reason is that they’ve been relentlessly brainwashed with disinformation.

66999 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cheezilla, #1194 of 1542 🔗

Or they’re evil. 🙂

66700 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Barney McGrew, 12, #1195 of 1542 🔗

Completely agree Barney.

This is probably the biggest political issue in the lives of anyone contributing here.

The government isn’t just stopping us from doing something (eg attending mass sorting or theatre events) in order to achieve (theoretically) a medical goal, it’s actually requiring us to do something very drastic and unnatural – cover our mouth and nose – while we undertake unavoidable everyday activities like food shopping.

This is unprecedented in democratic societies. The only parallel (though it affected a minority rather than a majority) would be the compulsory sterilisation programmes carried out in countries such as the USA and Sweden.

66716 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to OKUK, 2, #1196 of 1542 🔗

eg attending mass sorting

like at Hogwarts ? 🙂

66731 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to JohnB, #1197 of 1542 🔗

Lol … just my muggled typing. 🙂

66760 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, #1198 of 1542 🔗

Sorting mask replaces Sorting Hat.

66782 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to annie, #1199 of 1542 🔗

Can we put Hancock in Slytherin and leave him to Voldemort?

66961 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #1200 of 1542 🔗

Separates the sheeple from the stubborn goats.

66825 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to OKUK, 3, #1201 of 1542 🔗

Mask wearing is NOT the biggest political issue in the lives of those here – it IS the stinkiest red herring put through our letter boxes, though, to distract us from the looming economic catastrophe. It has been a roaring success, to judge by the way it has monopolised conversation here!

66847 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bruno, 2, #1202 of 1542 🔗

Yup, just a distraction, getting us to fight in the supermarket aisles while they get on with screwing Brexit/bringing in the New World Order/inflating the debt away/selling us to the Aliens or whatever the plan is.

67005 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bruno, #1203 of 1542 🔗

Red herring definitely. But also an important signifier of our compliance, which works both ways.

66834 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to OKUK, 4, #1204 of 1542 🔗

Things such as enforced sterilisation and some of horrors visited upon mental asylum patients, goes to show what happens when carte blanche power is granted. In the above cases to doctors and scientists, but it could be almost any discipline.

Power corrupts. Power MUST have critical watchers and opponents.

66851 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1205 of 1542 🔗

Academics and medics are generally among the first to fold when totalitarianism comes knocking, they have vested interests to defend and tyrants often give them the means to implement their crazy schemes Lysenko science, Mengele medicine.

67009 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nick Rose, #1206 of 1542 🔗

We used to have a Parliament for that …..

66715 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1207 of 1542 🔗

I agree that people will soon tire of them. That is why the government had to make it a legal requirement. As soon as that is lifted, the masks will go away.

66749 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RyanM, 5, #1208 of 1542 🔗

Why would they lift the legal compulsion now they (hope) have us where they want us.
If they are very very clever they might relent before a pissed off nation shows what happens when a Govt imposes a stupid and unpopular law which the Police have said they won’t enforce.

66824 ▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1209 of 1542 🔗

If they try to lift it, there will be mass wailing from SAGE, the Guardian, BBC, even the red-tops.

66835 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #1210 of 1542 🔗

Not half the wailing you’ll hear from them when the pitchfork-wielding mob storms their paper Bastille.

66939 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tenchy, #1211 of 1542 🔗

Yes, I wasn’t happy with that sentence. By the time the idiots have tired of them, they could be mandatory for the poor kids in school.

66955 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tenchy, #1212 of 1542 🔗

I was surprised by that. He has been really strong against lockdown, right from the start, and I think he has called this one wrong. He is almost contradicting his position that people should do their own risk assessment. And I think he’s wrong to assume it will fade away, or that it will reassure people, and wrong to ascribe good intentions to the government. I hope the changes his position, because his voice has been very powerful, and he’s hard to cancel or dismiss. His arguments are so sharp and he doesn’t get flustered.

66765 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 9, #1213 of 1542 🔗

Quote:

“Physical proximity to other people is not some sort of optional extra which can be ironed out of our culture. It is fundamental to our humanity. Conversation round a table, friendship, love and tears, children at play, most educational activity, depend on physical proximity. Our whole transport infrastructure, the buildings in which we work, play and eat out, depend on our being close together. With social distancing, physical cooperation becomes impossible. The social dimension of work all but disappears. The House of Commons, a great national forum in the crowded chamber, is reduced to a poor phone-in programme in a half-empty space. With social distancing there is no crowd around the bar, no singing at weddings, no orchestras or choirs, no theatre, no sport, no live audiences – in short, no collective activities, only the dismal solitude of the electronic screen. We have surrendered our liberty to the virus. Are we to surrender our humanity as well?”

Splendid. But can’t understand why face nappies are a minor issue.

66841 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to annie, 7, #1214 of 1542 🔗

Bear with me…

They are a minor issue compared to being locked in or homes by government diktat and being unable to interact in any meaningful way with other human beings we don’t live with. Compared to that, being allowed to interact with anyone we want as long as we slap a muzzle across our face is a leap forward.

The fact that we’re reduced to measuring degrees of completely unreasonable government intervention in our lives is the fundamental problem. Before lockdown, government-mandated face coverings would not have been a ‘minor’ issue in either comparative or absolute terms.

For sceptics, though, masks also represent the first opportunity for visible resistance, so we should all take advantage of this.

66672 richard riewer, 8, #1215 of 1542 🔗

I have forgotten the name of the person who called for pitchforks last week. I am listening to John Waters, today, Monday, July 27, 2020, and he just said that it was time to get out the pitchforks.

66691 OKUK, 8, #1216 of 1542 🔗

Been googling on the PCR nasal swabs which our wonderful care home staff are being required to undergo every few days. Seems there are potential health impacts including delayed vasovagal fainting.

The BBC are “fact checking” -always worrying – and telling us there is no possibility of brain damage (presumably on the basis that all practitioners are always trained to the highest level and don’t ever have a bad day at work). Hmm…I recall the BBC broadcasting a programme about a guy who lost his short term memory after getting stabbed up the nose by a toy sword. It is clearly a risk, whatever the BBC are now propagandising.

The health risks might be low but it’s a v unpleasant procedure and I would query its efficacy. The last thing we want to do now is cause care staff to leave the sector. These tests might do that.

66709 covid_skeptic, replying to covid_skeptic, 4, #1217 of 1542 🔗

How to tell if your Android phone has Covid 19 installed AND HOW to remove it:
Step 1. Go to Settings
Step 2. Click on GOOGLE
If you see COVID 19 at the top of the list you have it on your phone.
How to remove it?
Step 1. Click on PLAY STORE and then SETTINGS and change to DO NOT AUTOUPDATE APPS. Then go to your main screen and go to step 2.

Step 2. Go to Settings then go to SECURITY AND LOCATION under Settings and shut off “FIND MY DEVICE”.

Step 3. This is the most important part. Make sure your phone is backed up. Go to settings again and then go to APPS AND NOTIFICATIONS (SOME PHONES WILL SAY APPLICATIONS)

Step 4. Then click where it says SEE ALL APPS Step 5. Look for GooglePLAYservices and click that Then on the top right click the 3 vertical dots and click Uninstall updates (If you don’t see the 3 vertical lines some phones require you to click ADVANCED OPTIONS there and then the vertical lines show up).
This takes about 20 seconds so wait about 20 seconds. Now go back to step 1 and see if it’s
gone. Congratulations you just got rid of it!

66895 ▶▶ Basics, replying to covid_skeptic, 1, #1218 of 1542 🔗

Thank you Syd. It was on my phone. I followed your steps, my phone slightly different to your description but certainly able to follow all your advice. I just am left wondering about the last step – going back to google settings to check its gone – on my phone it appears my google settings page has changed format in the uninstall process. I assume Covid app has gone. Thank you greatly.

An aside Ťhe amount of permission google grasps is stunning – access to your body movement sensors, your contacts, your camera, your microphone, your calls and messages. It is a snooping device in your pocket. Proton VPN and DuckDuckGo help within limitations.

I abandoned my phone being mobile and have been lesving it at home. I will continue to do this. I miss nothing about it except the camera.

66950 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to covid_skeptic, #1219 of 1542 🔗

I must have a very different android – couldn’t find my way round the above but thanks anyway.

66712 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 10, #1220 of 1542 🔗

Hope Toby picks up on the post from Nick R (?) below somewhere linking to a BBC article about 50000 excess deaths in a bad flu year….all of two years ago in 2018! I might have missed it but at the time I don’t think Emily Maitlis was calling for closure of all non essential shops, suspension of office working, bans on foreign travel and putting millions of people out of work.

66736 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to OKUK, 3, #1221 of 1542 🔗

Did the beeb claim to be ‘revealing’ this just as two weeks ago BBC Research ‘revealed’ the upcoming hike in cancer deaths caused by stopping diagnosis in response to lockdown oops, in response to the Covid?

66890 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1222 of 1542 🔗

Wasn’t a big story back in 2018. 50,000 excess deaths – not a huge deal back then. Carry on as per normal…no need to panic. Only in 2020 does 50,000 excess deaths become a cause for panic, shutdown of the economy, mask mania and the end of civilisation as we know it. I feel Toby could make good use of this BBC article in media debates.

66933 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, #1223 of 1542 🔗

It’s another example of inappropriate labelling. I’d call those “normal” deaths.

Lockdown deaths are excess deaths – which actually suggests they are manslaughter.

66896 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to OKUK, 1, #1224 of 1542 🔗

The flu thing in 2017/18 has received a few mentions on this site. The consensus at those times was that although there might have been rather fewer deaths this year, it was impossible to verify because the statistics this year were decidedly variable.

66713 Jane, replying to Jane, 4, #1225 of 1542 🔗

Very depressing news about mask mania in US colleges.
Just don’t go to college, I would think.
The fun of college is ruined.
Just opt for an online degree. A lot cheaper.
Of course, students might be just the ones to start to rebel against this.

I have to have the painful swab tomorrow because I do have to see a doc.
Not looking forward to it.

66742 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Jane, #1226 of 1542 🔗

Are they testing everyone who goes to the doctors now?

66748 ▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Jane, #1227 of 1542 🔗

Jane, I had the throat swab when I arrived in a European country last week. It was fine and did not hurt. Over in a few seconds. They didn’t do the nose swab though so I’m not sure what that is like. But you have nothing to worry about for the throat swab.

66756 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to CarrieAH, 4, #1228 of 1542 🔗

Except medico-fascist tyranny, that is.

66780 ▶▶▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to annie, #1229 of 1542 🔗

True! 😄

66842 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jane, #1230 of 1542 🔗

I’m of a generation that lost its tonsils at the drop of a hat so it will be a nose probe for me I expect.

66927 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1231 of 1542 🔗

Funny that I’d been thinking that adolescence is the age of tonsillitis. I’m sure if masks become mandatory in school there will be a severe outbreak of strep throats. Poor loves!

66745 Eddie, replying to Eddie, 27, #1232 of 1542 🔗

Funny how this site has suddenly united me with my kind of people and I’m feeling a great bond with you all within just a couple weeks of reading your posts.

About 20 minutes ago I just walked into my local grocer (large retailer in British Columbia) and eagerly scanned over the fruit and veg area directly in front of me. Mask count was quite low and friendly uncovered faces were the majority. I immediately thought “I wish my lockdown skeptic family could relish in this sight!!” I roamed through the whole store and we were the easy winners on this night…it wasn’t even close!

I fear (well, not really)…I suspect our useless leaders will mandate this foolery soon enough despite this province being lauded for it’s calm and rational approach (I seem to remember reading that a month ago maybe…I have MSM-itis now, can’t go near it now). Apparently we’ve had those evil young people trying to live a fun summer and some of them have caught colds recently. These CASES are such cause for concern! Especially if you desire to keep this ridiculous narrative alive and affecting the populace with irrational fear and worry.

Happy Tuesday to all you UK folks and I’ll enjoy your newest contributions when I rise for my Tuesday morning

66747 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Eddie, 5, #1233 of 1542 🔗

That’s a nice vision to wake up to PEKaiser, thank you. Is BC the last of the Anglosphere to have masks mandated ?

66763 ▶▶ annie, replying to Eddie, 2, #1234 of 1542 🔗

Welcome! I have happy memories of visiting lovely BC. Would love to think people there can show their faces as God and nature intended.
Can’t see the tough backwoodsmen I met grovelling to the face rag culture!

67040 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Eddie, 1, #1235 of 1542 🔗

My understanding is that the BC approach is the same as that of Sweden. Bonnie Henry’s philosophy seems to mirror that or Anders Tegnell, something that they may have learned with hands on experience tackling ebola in Africa.

Despite having virtually the same approach, BC has been lauded and Sweden villified purely on the basis that Sweden has a high death count. Clearly no logic or reasoning involved in people who are only capable of thinking “big number bad”.

66755 ▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 3, #1237 of 1542 🔗

Know your enemy!

66816 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to wendyk, 4, #1238 of 1542 🔗

I didn’t spot the significance straight away. As someone in the article points out, it’s a party profiting from one of its own policies when in power, both financially and politically.

Correct. And it also says this: the fact the party is doing this without even noticing the conflict of interests shows that face masks are now regarded as ‘normal’. They are no longer regarded as extraordinary. To the SNP, selling branded masks feels no more unusual than selling branded umbrellas or phone covers. To them, masks are a permanent, normal part of life.

68098 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to wendyk, #1239 of 1542 🔗

I wonder if it would be possible to buy a load of them anonymously, get them sent out and not pay for them.

66762 annie, replying to annie, 25, #1240 of 1542 🔗

DISGUSTING Church of England is now ‘strongly advising’ face rags if services (fanatically distanced, no singing) recommence..
Prepare to meet thy God – as a faceless, noseless, mumbling moron.
If our church does this, which it will because our rector is a useless wanker, I’m going to start a free-faced house group. Back to the days of secrecy and persecution.
I’ve written to the lovely Archdeacon who wrote a piece against rags in the Church Times , to express my gratitude. Hope I am one of many to do so.

66764 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to annie, 4, #1241 of 1542 🔗

Clearly very little trust in Providence from the CofE

66806 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to annie, 17, #1242 of 1542 🔗

But the Christian religion is a religion of SINGING. Go to a service, and SING! What are they going to do? Arrest you? In that case you can claim sanctuary straight away!

I’d organise the group to meet in the grounds of your Church and SING, or even stage a sit-in within the Church to protest, and SING.

This, in every sense of the word, is Diabolical.

66823 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 6, #1243 of 1542 🔗

Agreed. Diabolical.
It’s getting a bit of spirit out of other people that’s hard at the moment. Butif I’m the only one, so be it.
BTW, our church, like almost all those in Pembrokeshire, is not open at all at the moment. The foul beastly bishop of St David’s, the church’s answer to Fetida Dick, has set rules that make opening impossible.

66887 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to annie, 1, #1244 of 1542 🔗

Why don’t you all meet open-air at the ruins of St Non’s chapel? Take the Faith back to its roots…

66901 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #1245 of 1542 🔗

Flashmob choir included!
The church was never intended to mean a building.
Jesus’ message was that we don’t need priests, that’s why it was the Pharisees who wanted rid of him – the Romans knew he wasn’t a political threat to them.
The Romans later commandeered Christianity as a political tool of control and priests were their agents.

66810 ▶▶ Fiat, replying to annie, 3, #1246 of 1542 🔗

Leviticus 13:45-46

66818 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Fiat, 2, #1247 of 1542 🔗

I do like your Biblical quotes – only seen two so far, this and the Corinthians one about veils. I hope I haven’t missed any – please do repost so I can catch up.

Lots of people say that people in SE Asia wear masks so why shouldn’t we. But to me they sit very uncomfortably with Judeo-Christian culture.

66833 ▶▶▶▶ Malcolm Ramsay, replying to TJN, 3, #1248 of 1542 🔗

Ecclesiastes 3. 1-13 “a time to be born and a time to die”

I asked someone the other day how, and when, he thought all these people they’re trying to save should die. I suspect I won’t get an answer.

66994 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edna, replying to Malcolm Ramsay, #1249 of 1542 🔗

Ecclesiastes 3. 1-13 “a time to be born and a time to die”

If only people would remember that.

It seems an awful lot of people these days cannot gras the idea that we shall ALL die at some point. They truly seem to think that people can be prevented from dying. As you say, when you ask them the question about when they think someone should die, they just look at you blankly.

66828 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fiat, 5, #1250 of 1542 🔗

Exactly.
I’ve already written to the Bishop reminding her that Jesus treated lepers like human beings, not vice versa.

66837 ▶▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to annie, 1, #1251 of 1542 🔗

Start a non-conformist church, Annie.
The Welsh have a proud tradition of non-Conformism, and you’re allowed a a congregation of 29, at home, under the current regs.

66916 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to annie, 1, #1252 of 1542 🔗

Thanks Annie. Our church services resumed a few weeks back. Went to the first service, most were muzzled and looked scared of getting too close to each other – the face coverings engendered a sense of suspicion and mistrust amongst people. A very depressing experience which I am not keen to repeat. The following week I attended my online house group who were all in favour of muzzling and I ended up in an argument about the efficacy of face masks with one outspoken woman who suggested that it was wrong to attend church without a face muzzle. I am not going back to the house group again. All very depressing. I like your suggestion of a free face house group.

66790 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 38, #1253 of 1542 🔗

Well, I’ve been off LS for nearly a week now, due to extreme fatigue (having to work increased hours due to the government not allowing me to work for nearly three months and having to claw back lost income; not sleeping, having recurring nightmares that I am surrounded by faceless zombies, spraying poisonous gloop around … oh, hang on …). Other than posting a continuous stream of invective against those who have imposed this dystopian nightmare on us and the compliant goons who wallow in it, I couldn’t think of anything nice to say and my piss-taking abilities had deserted me. I do wonder what level of humiliation the British people will endure in the name of keeping us all ‘safe’ I imagined if the government said that we all have to wear our underwear inside out on our heads and don a pink tutu whether the masses would comply. Anyway, I hope fellow LS, you are bearing up …

Yesterday marked a new nadir in all this for me. I had my third major allergic reaction to the gloop. I ended up gasping for air, sprawled outside my shop enduring a coughing fit of nearly 30 minutes. Every customer in my shop yesterday afternoon was wearing a mask and they ALL sprayed the evil gloop around* Talk about ‘viral load’, I had ‘anti-bac load’. A doctor customer (an enthusiastic mask-wearer and gloop sprayer) came to see if I was OK. He suggested I try to stop coughing (eh?) and, this is the killer for me. He suggested I go to the doctor (yeah right) to get an inhaler … So, Mr Doctor, I am coughing my guts up to try and expel the crap you and others have been polluting my lungs with and you tell me not to do that and then you suggest I pollute myself further with a dangerous steroid (that I don’t need) in order to overcome the horrible after-effects of another cocktail of chemicals. You couldn’t make this bollocks up. I am putting up a sign today, requesting customers use the evil gloop outside. So, no doubt, I will face yet more aggro.

And then, when I left work, I was the only non-mask wearer walking round the town. I started laughing (it’s all I have left because reason doesn’t work) and I was the one getting weird looks! I know I have used the Randle McMurphy analogy before but I’ve never felt more like the only sane person in a world of brainwashed non-reasoning automatons in my life. But then, I was tripping over mounds of dead bodies … oh hang on, I wasn’t!

*One customer said, without a trace of irony, “it’s nice to be normal for a change” To which I retorted, “well, if you think *this* is normal …”

On the plus side, my few LS customers are thrilled when they are alerted to the ‘Mask Exempt’ lanyard. One borrowed mine the other day and he said it worked like a dream.

Sorry for the rant, it’s been a crappy few days!

66791 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to kh1485, 7, #1254 of 1542 🔗

Glad to see you back KH.
It might take some time…. but we will overcome!

66795 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to smileymiley, 8, #1255 of 1542 🔗

Thanks. God, I hope so. In this neck of the woods, it’s like a Margaret Atwood novel made real!

66798 ▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to kh1485, 5, #1256 of 1542 🔗

Welcome back to the real world!

66906 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to kh1485, 1, #1257 of 1542 🔗

Yes, welcome back from me too. Sorry it is so rubbish where you are. I agree with replacing the dreadful gloop with something less toxic and that ‘quack doctor’ should be struck off.

66801 ▶▶ FiFiTrixabelle, replying to kh1485, 7, #1258 of 1542 🔗

Really lovely to have you back. All rants good here.

66807 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to kh1485, 9, #1259 of 1542 🔗

Good to see you. Folk were wondering where you’d got to.

Insisting customers sanitise outside the cafe is a good idea. Both for your own health and for those who don’t really want to, but feel pressured into it.

Things WILL get better.

66814 ▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 4, #1260 of 1542 🔗

‘… my piss-taking abilities had deserted me.’

For a LS this is a serious symptom of covid-hysteria malaise. I hope you get better soon. A browse of the comments here should help.

I actually enjoy being the only non-muzzle wearer. Really, I get a kick out of it.

66822 ▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 7, #1261 of 1542 🔗

Delighted to have you back, sorry for your ordeal. How horrible that fair Saffron Walden should be reduced to this.
If hand poison is making you ill, surely you can ban customers from spraying it around?
Point out that it’s entirely useless against viruses.

66844 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 4, #1262 of 1542 🔗

Thanks everyone for your kind words.

Annie, you wouldn’t recognise the place: with all the bloody chicanes, bossy notices and other COVID detritus. A once beautiful market town rendered a dump by this nonsense.

Put my gloop signs up, so getting ready for the backlash!

66858 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 3, #1263 of 1542 🔗

Well, ‘My shop my rules’, but surely there’s something in disability law or food hygeine etc. that can back you up?

On a lighter note, you don’t say so, but did the zombies not run screaming from the place when you began to – eeeek! – cough?

66861 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #1264 of 1542 🔗

Yes, I shall try your first suggestion …!

On your question er …. no. Just had the doctor bloke tell me that I should try to stop coughing! Everyone else just stayed put! Which, as you point, out bearing in mind the ‘fear’, is a bit odd!

66843 ▶▶ davews, replying to kh1485, 3, #1265 of 1542 🔗

Yes KH, we missed you. I know what you mean, there are some days when I get so downhearted I just don’t want to live. It is so unnatural. At least yesterday with my Government supplied lanyard I got positive reactions and even the woman on the till in Tesco (unmasked) asked me where I had got it.

( https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own which has been posted here before.)

Let us all keep smiling, somehow we will get through this.

66855 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to davews, 1, #1266 of 1542 🔗

Thanks so much. I have to keep all you LS in mind when I am walking down the street, head held high amongst the drifts of mask-wearers. But god, it’s hard against this tide of supercilious, sanctimonious virtue-signalling.

Just seen the most depressing sign in the local gift shop: “Wear a mask, save a life” I mean, really?

66862 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 4, #1267 of 1542 🔗

I read the town arsebook comments last night. What the HELL is wrong with people????? What was being said is just incredible, the usualy don’t wear a mask, see how you like a ventilator, the NHS have to wear them all day so do shop staff so we must make a small sacrifice for a 20 minute shop visit, the seat belts thing, your killing people, I am shielding my Dad, they aren’t that bad, just wear them. Holy crap. I hope I never want to meet any of these idiots and no way will I ever sign up for Arsebook. Its just POISON. I would rather have no “friends” and “not exist”.

66873 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Two-Six, 7, #1268 of 1542 🔗

Yesterday I was chatting to a young member of my team who I manage, fully paid up member of FB, Twitter, Instagram but well travelled and really bright. We were laughing about how ‘it’ can follow 1 way systems and know when you are in a supermarket or in a pub etc..

She then said ‘what is it with all these non-mask wearers in supermarkets, FFS it’s not that hard to wear a mask while they buy their shopping, so selfish, if I can do it why can’t they’

Hmm I thought, how do I play this.

Told her I refuse to wear a mask in all situations as there is no danger and no scientific evidence to back up the pointless order.

Hmmmm, if you say so was the reply.

Swiftly changed the topic.

66988 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, #1269 of 1542 🔗

Who said that??

66866 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 4, #1270 of 1542 🔗

You could always counter that by putting a sign up – stop driving, save a life.

66852 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 1, #1271 of 1542 🔗

Hello, good morning and welcome. Missed ya.

66857 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 2, #1272 of 1542 🔗

I know what you mean about the laughing thing, strange isn’t it? Everything is mostly totally fucked but actually it is ALMOST funny in a very strange kind of way.

66860 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Two-Six, #1273 of 1542 🔗

We are all Daniel Craig near the end of Casino Royale, when he’s tied to the chair…

66880 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, 1, #1274 of 1542 🔗

I’d missed you KH.
Sorry you’ve been having such a crap time.
Can’t you quietly empty the gloop bottle and replace the contents with something inocuous?
Magnesium oil with some drops of lavender or tea tree would have the right consistency and you could easily make some very cheaply. Google for recipes.

I’m sure no-one would be any wiser – and the magnesium would help to calm everyone down!

You do sound to be living in a town full of idiots. We’re here to support you as best we can.

By the way, if you’re not sleeping well, taking some magnesium glycinate at bedtime might be a good idea for you.

67301 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cheezilla, #1275 of 1542 🔗

Thanks for your kind words Cheezilla. I would use some home-made gloop, but the buggers bring their own. Managed to persuade two potential squirters not to do so and pointed to my new sign! I think Nick is right when he says that customers think they ought to use the stuff.

Talking of idiots, in my local village, we now have a new shrine (we had a pebble shrine to the NHS outside the Church Hall). We now have, and I am not making this up ‘Colin, the COVID cobra’ A row of painted pebbles extoling the virtuosity of the sainted NHS and imploring people to ‘Go Vegan’. I told a customer about this the other week and this Saturday she came in and said there was a ‘Colin’ in her village too. You really couldn’t make this crap up.

66912 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to kh1485, 1, #1276 of 1542 🔗

Good to see you back – if you scroll down the comments, people have been asking after you!

66796 Hammer Onats, replying to Hammer Onats, 25, #1277 of 1542 🔗

According to the Daily Fail Website this morning Boris needs to “get tough” to get people back to work. This from a newspaper which did more than most to stoke up the fear of CV. I do hope this is a sign that they are suffering financial difficulties from less advertising and fewer people paying for their rag. It would be justice for their imbecilic journalists to lose their “essential” jobs.

66820 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hammer Onats, 10, #1278 of 1542 🔗

One local medium size office company is preparing to bring people back in gradually. Last week a cleaner felt unwell and was sent for a covid test: the whole programme was put on hold until her test came back, negative.
This is no way to get back to Normal.

66827 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Hammer Onats, 3, #1279 of 1542 🔗

Except Littlejohn.

66797 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 11, #1280 of 1542 🔗

Great conversation last night with a Dutch couple whose restaurant we visited.
She is very sceptical, he a little less so. Sadly we were their only customers, whereas in better times, you have to book to get in. They both took off their masks to talk to us. It appears there is the Dutch equivalent of LS called “Wanzin” ( not sure if it is a Facebook page)

They were telling us all sorts of things, such as the woman in a local bar who tested positive so they closed the bar. A couple of days later, her test came back negative. Her husband tested negative too.

They also told us of the doctors’ strike throughout Spain which started the other day, along with marches in the major cities. They were protesting against working conditions, lack of PPE and the lack of information during the panicdemic.

The Spanish free press are carrying stories about the outbreaks in the north of Spain where over a third of them were due to family gatherings like weddings. They define an outbreak as more than three cases, confirmed or PROBABLE. The outbreak is over when 28 days have passed without a positive test. Someone should tell PHE that. Another outbreak has been at a meat processing factory and others, as I posted previously, amongst fruit pickers living in squalid accommodation.

66799 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Margaret, 7, #1281 of 1542 🔗

I’ve a few Dutch friends and they are all sceptics this is their sceptic site
https://viruswaanzin.nl/

66800 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #1282 of 1542 🔗

Thanks for that Tony. I didn’t get the full website address from them.

66802 ▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Margaret, 2, #1283 of 1542 🔗

Oh, and for those who want to read it, there’s an English version on the menu.

66868 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to tonyspurs, #1284 of 1542 🔗

Great site. Thanks

66813 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 15, #1285 of 1542 🔗

Quick, before it is taken down.

https://youtu.be/FwvZql6RToE

66819 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stefarm, 4, #1286 of 1542 🔗

Perfect in so many ways, thank you

66996 ▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to karenovirus, #1287 of 1542 🔗

“Purrfect”, shurely?

66888 ▶▶ mjr, replying to stefarm, #1288 of 1542 🔗

BRILLIANT – A MUST WATCH — and so accurate…

66893 ▶▶ Mark, replying to stefarm, 1, #1289 of 1542 🔗

There’s a great irony in this kind of thing – it’s a fine illustration of the “many a true word spoken in jest” adage:

“The Centre for Disease Disinformation predicts with some degree of probability that the house cat flu might spread in the following hypothetical outbreak pattern”

But I’d wager a fortune that the majority of those praising it and laughing at it when it came out years ago will be precisely those lefty conformist types today accusing anybody speaking sceptically about the coronabollocks fed to us by the selected “experts” and about all the constant media fear porn, of being “uncaring, selfish grannykillers”.

66984 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mark, #1290 of 1542 🔗

George Bush the First did denounce “The Simpsons” as un-American…

67093 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Mark, 1, #1291 of 1542 🔗

I was one of those ‘lefty (non) conformist types’ back then and there is no-one – no-one – more sceptical than me about the corona bollocks. There may be many AS sceptical AS but no-one more so. Would be impossible. And never in the last thirty years has this’ lefty’ taken any notice of the media fear porn. Except to condemn it. Peace.

66900 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to stefarm, #1292 of 1542 🔗

Thanks for posting this – very close to the knuckle – I had to check the date it was posted.

66836 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1294 of 1542 🔗

Had seen the ‘masks don’t work’ one before so interesting to see the ‘masks do work’ counter argument, presented by a philosopher who supposedly specialised in logic, as I am of course open to the idea of being proven wrong given some solid evidence contrary to my view.

Interesting that he claims to be able to refute the claim masks don’t work by pointing that studies confirm n95 masks and surgical masks do block some stuff, therefore to mandate them is logical, but fails to acknowledge that they are usually worn wrong, have negative side effects and aren’t at all _logical_ or proportionate for an extremely low prevalence virus. Some logical thinker he is… Also attempts to draw parallels between laws temporarily banning burning during droughts to forcing uninfected people to cover their nose and mouth, some very odd arguments 🤔

66846 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Mark II, 2, #1295 of 1542 🔗

I think the misuse of masks is a key factor. I hoped that this study would be raised which concludes that cloth masks may actually increase the risk of infection:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/

66864 ▶▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to Sarigan, #1296 of 1542 🔗

Not just misuse of masks but also no one, in authority it seems, is weighing the negative consequences (of which there are several – social, economical, physiological and physical) of mandating them and whether the potential tiny benefits, especially given the v v low prevalence, are likely to outweigh the negatives. The answer is obviously no, and so mandating makes no sense on any level, but when even supposedly qualified expert logical philosophers fail to see that you know something is amiss.

66870 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark II, #1297 of 1542 🔗

i.e. the philosopher chap is either bent, bought, or intimidated.

66989 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to JohnB, #1298 of 1542 🔗

He is aptly described in the comments as a “knob”.

67071 ▶▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Mark II, #1299 of 1542 🔗

You omitted psychological, not sure you meant to. Huge psychological damage.

67066 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Mark II, #1300 of 1542 🔗

Re that debate: apparently the ‘philosopher’ specialises in the refutation of pseudo-science. What is that then? Science he doesn’t agree with? You don’t have to be psychic to see he is an establishment plant. Anyone who claims to be an expert in refuting ‘pseudo-science’ is actually someone who is pushing against new paradigms. In other words a dinosaur threatened with extinction. .

66826 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 9, #1301 of 1542 🔗

Attention, attention! Child abuse. Just seen the English family, that I met in the swimming pool the other day, come into breakfast. All completely muzzled, including the three year old daughter. FGS it isn’t compulsory, even in Spain, until the age of six. Think I will report them to the NSPCC. Oh, does that organisation still exist?
Haven’t heard a peep out of them throughout all of this.

66869 ▶▶ James007, replying to Margaret, 5, #1302 of 1542 🔗

Makes me feel sad to see children so young covered.
Children have been so badly treated. Denied education, access to friends, all activities that gave life meaning and structure stopped.
It is a huge disappointment that charities haven’t been speaking out and the damage this had been causing.

66959 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to James007, #1303 of 1542 🔗

Yes. I think masks are the least of it.

We will never forget the way in which our grandchildren shrank away from us before we and the family battered down the anti-social distancing crap back in May..

The psy-ops initiative has been evil – not a word I’m prone to use other than for extreme behaviour.

67055 ▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to RickH, #1304 of 1542 🔗

Your humanity is in your face. To deny children seeing other people’s faces is denying them humanity. How’s that going to work out when they get to adulthhood? Mad Max 53?

66829 hat man, replying to hat man, 3, #1305 of 1542 🔗

I’ll have another try at getting this post accepted.

Does anyone know if the government scheme due to expire on 17 July has been extended?
http://www.newsmediauk.org/Latest/government-partners-with-newspaper-industry-on-covid-19-ad-campaign

66848 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to hat man, 2, #1306 of 1542 🔗

UK Column would be the people to ask about this. They have discussed it on their show before. I will drop them a mail and ask the question.

66850 ▶▶ matt, replying to hat man, #1307 of 1542 🔗

Your post did appear before, so it was accepted. I just didn’t know the answer, so I didn’t say anything…

66956 ▶▶ RickH, replying to hat man, #1308 of 1542 🔗

I guess that the take-away fact is the obvious one – that MSM coverage of Covid is essentially an advertising scam.

‘Nuff said.

66831 PowerCorrupts, replying to PowerCorrupts, 13, #1309 of 1542 🔗

US doctors held a conference in DC 27.7.20 exposing the cov19 panic and demanding use of hydroxychloroquine as cure and preventative because of it effectiveness & safety. After going viral, Facebook, youtube and Twitter have all taken the video down, its on Breitbart link below. The full conference is on americasfrontlinedoctors.com, its over 2 hours but very informative on the detailed science. Please share wherever possible:

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/27/facebook-censors-viral-video-of-doctors-capitol-hill-coronavirus-press-conference/

66839 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to PowerCorrupts, 11, #1310 of 1542 🔗

Wow, the rant from the female black doctor is what the world needs to see. She just nailed it!

66865 ▶▶ Humanity First, replying to PowerCorrupts, 3, #1311 of 1542 🔗

So this means that according to facebook, You Tube etc. only the (unelected and Gates and big pharma funded) WHO can decide what is ‘true science’…I wonder what kind of ‘science’ is acceptable to big pharma?

66899 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Humanity First, #1312 of 1542 🔗

Exactly. If anyone is in doubt this isn’t a crime against humanity let that video be shared to reveal the truth.

66915 ▶▶▶▶ Humanity First, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1313 of 1542 🔗

It gets even more interesting/sinister when you dig into the ownership of big Pharma, the media (at least in the U.S), and Facebook, Amazon etc …the names Black Rock, Vanguard and State Street keep coming up (“The Big Three”)

“In the S&P 500 – the benchmark index of America’s largest corporations – the situation is even more extreme. Together, the Big Three are the largest single shareholder in almost 90% of S&P 500 firms, including Apple, Microsoft, ExxonMobil, General Electric and Coca-Cola.”

This article below by the excellent Jon Rappoport explains why there has not been a much more vigorous pushback by key American industries (such as airlines) on the government’s lockdown policies:

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/07/22/dispatches-from-the-war-three-men-who-control-corporate-america/

66954 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Humanity First, #1314 of 1542 🔗

That’s a very interesting more detailed take on the overall picture that has emerged about corporate control in this narrative.

67036 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to RickH, #1315 of 1542 🔗

Some time ago I heard Toby interviewed on a podcast where he said Lockdown Sceptics was attracting its fair share of ‘conspiracy nutters.’ Not sure if that was the phrase he used and I don’t want to do him a disservice as I really appreciate this site. Anyway that was some weeks ago and I wonder how he feels now because as time has passed it seems increasingly obvious that this cannot just be a matter of rank incompetence. And I have noticed some people here who once were very reserved about this whole thing having a (not so) hidden agenda now conceding that it might. Facemasks and (wait for it) gloves clinched it for me; there’s no way they are anything to do with limiting a viral spread which is so painfully and obviously on its way out. So why more draconian measures as the threat diminishes?

67054 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to HoMojo, #1316 of 1542 🔗

Exactly. That was the moment for me as well. I was actually feeling that we might be getting out of this nightmare. I’d been to the pub on Saturday night and, though there was unsocial distancing in place, it was a step in the right direction. Then we get to Monday and Boom! This mask nonsense comes out of nowhere. What I find amazing is there is absolutely no indication about how long this might be for or even what criteria is to be used to end the mask edict. And somehow the sheep are alright with this. Like you I’m finding it increasingly difficult to believe that this global nonsense is purely down to incompetence and hysteria, and not due to something more sinister.

67014 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Humanity First, #1317 of 1542 🔗

Jon R is excellent ! 🙂

66948 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Humanity First, #1318 of 1542 🔗

what kind of ‘science’ is acceptable to big pharma?”

That which generates profit.

66885 ▶▶ Mark, replying to PowerCorrupts, 3, #1319 of 1542 🔗

“Facebook, youtube and Twitter have all taken the video down”

The modern badge of honour.

66897 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to PowerCorrupts, #1320 of 1542 🔗

I tried uploading the Bitchute version on the DT 3 times and it wouldn’t post it! Methinks there is a plot afoot to stop spreading the Truth!

66919 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1321 of 1542 🔗

https://www.bitchute.com/video/c7rrMPoXqGvn/

I’m watching it via this link, has to be shared. Incredible and shows up the so called experts as self serving greedy wankers who quite frankly should be publicly shamed.

66920 ▶▶▶ Wesley, replying to Bella Donna, #1322 of 1542 🔗

Any link to bitchute won’t post on the DT.

67047 ▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Wesley, #1323 of 1542 🔗

Not surprised. I noticed you can’t get past their paywall with outline.com anymore as well. But let’s be clear: your loyal DT reader isn’t going to go to BitChute anyway. And the more discerning will find another way.

67024 ▶▶ HoMojo, replying to PowerCorrupts, #1324 of 1542 🔗

It’s also on BitChute https://www.bitchute.com/video/09K3kIwzeewO/ Bookmark and keep sharing folks. In the days to come I think LS is going to be an invaluable resource for the truth. Resistance is all.

66832 Caro7777, #1325 of 1542 🔗

Just read the Standard article about those who question lockdown etc. I see that they argue that lockdown sceptics think like pro-life campaigners. Very odd.

66838 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #1326 of 1542 🔗

It’s quite frightening how much money is being created from thin air by central banks and loaned to countries:

https://www.imf.org/en/Topics/imf-and-covid19/Policy-Responses-to-COVID-19#U

I also find it quite frightening how nearly every country followed the same script.

66853 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1327 of 1542 🔗

And that thode central banks are not Government institutions nor do they have or need to have the capital in reserves to lend. Private entities simply with a license to aparate money into being for generations of the populous to repay.

66856 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Basics, 3, #1328 of 1542 🔗

And the UK alone pays a net total of over £40 billion a year to the Bank Of England for the privilege of them “lending” us money. 2019/202 estimate from OBR.

Makes the £100 million savings from losing a little weight even more piddling.

66854 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1329 of 1542 🔗

From the IMF Outlook Report in April:

“Quarantines, regional lockdowns, and social distancing—which are essential to contain the virus (see, for example, Ferguson, Ghani, and others 2020 )”

so they are well on board with it from the start.

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/Issues/2020/04/14/weo-april-2020

The author waste Jackson Hole at that banker’s meeting as well.

66871 ▶▶ Humanity First, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1330 of 1542 🔗

Usually scripts are read by actors working for a director…so it does raise the question who has been handing out the scripts which governments are obliged to read…?

66879 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Humanity First, 2, #1331 of 1542 🔗

The World Economic Forum, they get their orders from some guy in a wheelchair with a white cat, and a strangely deformed hand, gloved in blue plastic, they have meetings, gather a consensus from their stakeholders and then produce a statement and everybody reads it out.

66904 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #1332 of 1542 🔗

Ever get the feeling we are (the world, that is) like the cartoon coyote still running out over thin air, because we haven’t yet looked down to realise we’ve run off the cliff edge?

Even I (a veteran sceptic of many decades of predictions of disasters that never came close to being true) am now starting to feel that there’s a non zero possibility that we might have gone too far this time, in several areas simultaneously, all connected to this coronapanic.

66913 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mark, 2, #1333 of 1542 🔗

That’s the plan man. “Operation F&*k the world”

66949 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 1, #1334 of 1542 🔗

The human race will carry on, but it seems quite possible that in many countries the way people live will be horribly distorted by fear of this virus and general muddleheadedness regarding what life is really all about. It’s colossally tragic. Empires have always become decadent and fallen, but never so broadly across the planet, and it’s such a stupid waste to throw it all away over nothing much. The madness may last for decades, or centuries.

67004 ▶▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Julian, #1335 of 1542 🔗

We could resist of course. Unfortunately most seem happy to comply with the dystopia.

67002 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Mark, #1336 of 1542 🔗

Welcome to the club

66911 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Awkward Git, #1337 of 1542 🔗

No such thing as “money created from thin air” of course. Everything must be paid for. Either money supply must be severely curtailed once the crisis is over (austerity, the real thing this time, not the “pretend” austerity of the past twelve years), or else tangibles (gold, precious metals and gems, commodities, food) increase in price to compensate. Supply of the latter is relatively inelastic, whereas fiat currencies are continually being tinkered with.

66953 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1338 of 1542 🔗

I do get where you are coming from Nick, all this government spending is for us to foot the bill, with interest, in the end. It’s not true to say no such thing as money created out of thin air. For plebs like me and (if you would allow) you then, yes, you are correct. However the banks are creating money out of thin air. The Fractional Reserve system operates by lending lones secured by only 10% of the loan, the rest is thin air.

A mortgage is loaned with the bank not required to ‘have’ the money as asset nor capital. You borrow the money against future labour and pay the bank (interest) for the privilege, the bank does not need to be more than 10% secure on the loan.

QE is 100% printed debt notes for us to repay as you say.

Famously Henry Ford is quoted saying:
“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”

The Bradbury Pound was put into circulation when times we hard prior to WW1. It would work again. Green Back US Dollars were a similar device that enabled Abe Lincoln to raise funds. Both were short lived monetaty systems that were withdrawn rapidly because they pose a threat to the banking illusion we have grown dependent on.

66986 ▶▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Basics, 1, #1339 of 1542 🔗

All you have to do is look at what happens to political leaders who sidestep the central bank system. JFK, Abraham Lincoln, Gaddafi … even Adolf Hitler.

67164 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Simon Dutton, #1340 of 1542 🔗

Gaddafi is an often over looked addition to that club. Purposely dazzled by his brutality by the bbc et al. Might I raise you Iran also on this monetary system point.

66845 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 15, #1341 of 1542 🔗

Don’t think this has been posted -apologies if it has

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8564085/Stage-Four-looms-Victoria-close-businesses-bar-pharmacies-medical-clinics-grocery-stores.html

Includes “ ANU College of Health and Medicine Professor Shane Thomas said Victoria had been hoping for a downward trend after face masks were made mandatory, but it hadn’t yet happened.” This must be wrong -face masks stop the virus dead in its tracks, don’t they?

66859 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, 8, #1342 of 1542 🔗

How do they get away with such fearmongering bollox?

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews on Monday night pleaded with young people to stay at home.
‘This virus doesn’t just affect older people,’ he wrote on Facebook.
‘Young, fit and otherwise healthy people are struggling to breathe.’
Victoria’s Health Minister Jenny Mikakos echoed the premier’s sentiments.
‘This is not an older person’s disease. A quarter of infections we are seeing are young people in their 20s,’ she said.
‘People in their 60s only represent six per cent.
‘This is a highly contagious virus that can strike anyone in our community regardless of their age, regardless of their circumstances.’

66928 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1343 of 1542 🔗

It makes my blood boil. The whole statement is basically a lie because it is constructed to mislead by omitting certain facts and connecting other irrelevant ‘facts’ into a false narrative.

67037 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1344 of 1542 🔗

Saying that a quarter of “infections” are in young people is completely meaningless. So what if they have an infection, if they are asymptomatic or have a mild case? Yes, if they die or are hospitalized then she has a point but she isn’t saying that, almost certainly because they are not.

66876 ▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1345 of 1542 🔗

The dystopian world of Victoria July 2020 is terrifying. There is no questioning of the medico- pseudoscientific state at all . All the organs of the media are supportive of the most extreme and non sensical measures that are being put in place. Masks must be worn in public indoors and outdoors.
All the case clusters are in care homes, food processing factories or hospitals. Nobody has picked it up walking down Collins street . Winter in Melbourne is depressing enough and the madness must accentuate this.
Try reading the free corona pages of the only broadsheet in Melbourne to comprehend.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-victoria-braces-for-more-deaths-as-nsw-clusters-grow-australian-death-toll-stands-at-161-20200727-p55fyz.html

66946 ▶▶▶ HoMojo, replying to Peter Thompson, 1, #1346 of 1542 🔗

Time to take up arms I guess. Can’t see anything changing otherwise

66863 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #1347 of 1542 🔗

Another quote from the IMF Blog:

“A key challenge in escaping the Great Lockdown will be to ensure adequate production and distribution of vaccines and treatments when they become available—and this will require a global effort. For individual countries, minimizing the health uncertainty by using the least economically disruptive approaches such as testing, tracing, and isolation, tailored to country-specific circumstances with clear communication about the path of policies, should remain a priority to strengthen confidence in the recovery. As the recovery progresses, policies should support the reallocation of workers from shrinking sectors to sectors with stronger prospects.”

https://blogs.imf.org/2020/06/16/the-great-lockdown-through-a-global-lens/

Sounds like they are pushing the vaccines only route and a reset of the economy.

66877 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #1348 of 1542 🔗

Sounds like a page from the Communist Party of China Manifesto.

66875 mjr, replying to mjr, 12, #1349 of 1542 🔗

I have just been listening to The Great Post Office Trial on BBC Sounds. This covers the huge scandal over the last 20 years where issues in the Post Office counters Horizon computer system led the Post office to criminalise and bankrupt 100s of innocent sub postmasters. At the time Post office was government owned. Worth listening as it shows how such operations lie. hide and obfuscate – these being the same sort of operations and people as NHS trusts and other Quangos.
Interesting to note that the Chief Executive for much of this period (from 2012 to 2019) was Paula Vennells . She left Post office when the sh*t finally hit the fan and walked into the posts of Chair of Imperial College Healthcare Trust and as Cabinet Office board member. And unbelievably she was awarded a CBE for services to the Post Office.
Do you see a pattern here?. The merry go round of people moving from Board to Trust to Quango hiding their errors. Then you can understand how the SAGE, PHE, hospital trusts and government collectively can leave us in such a dire situation. Enjoy…..

66883 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to mjr, 2, #1350 of 1542 🔗

Bloody hell! Paula Vennells’ reward for destroying so many sub-postie’s lives is an even bigger opportunity at ICHT. She’ll likely be a Dame next like Cressida Dick for her services to humanity. It’s outrageous but what do we expect?

66940 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to mjr, 3, #1351 of 1542 🔗

Paula Vennels success based on abject failure really is small potatoes when compared with the daddy of all failures who have made good. Who else but the Imperial college, Gates financed, WHO prime adviser and major contributor to all this Sh*te. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you—yes you guessed—-Neil Ferguson!

67058 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to mjr, #1352 of 1542 🔗

She (Vennells) is also, unbelievably, an ordained CofE minister.

66881 mjr, replying to mjr, 14, #1354 of 1542 🔗

Just done my first big supermarket shop since nappies introduced. My usual Aldi. Chatter to the guy doing the trolleys. He noted he had to clean up loads of discarded masks. Went in store – early so not busy. All the customers muzzled. I was not. Had no lanyard or card but dont need one – I am big and look threatening!!. No issues , no comments, no looks. Shelf stackers muzzled. Guy on till wearing mask on one ear (so unmuzzled whilst on till but ready to muzzle when he leaves his plastic cage). He was complaining about having to cancel a spanish holiday etc.
As i went back to car, passed a guy who going to Aldi who had obviously just returned to the car to get his mask. Told him he didnt have to wear it – exemptions apply. He said he was asthmatic. Told him about the “distress” exemption. Referred him here . Everyone i spoke to agreed the whole situation was a farce.

66884 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to mjr, 6, #1355 of 1542 🔗

First thing I did was look for the getouts. But a person who is asthmatic, who you would think would be looking for a way out of this, had no idea he was exempt. Just followed the two words from the press “masks compulsory”. Really sad.

66886 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to mjr, 8, #1356 of 1542 🔗

Good one! Asthma aka breathing difficulties is an exemption. Just don’t ask Asthma UK and their big pharma corporate partners. Nobody with asthma should contemplate wearing a mask. (Or anyone else but, hey.)

I am quite sure from my recent experience that very few people understand that there are exemptions. ‘Wonder why it doesn’t get publicised?

66889 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #1357 of 1542 🔗

To be fair (through gritted teeth), it IS all there in the Gov advice, but it’s clear the plebs do not look at that. Just MSM headlines.
Not as if Gov would rely on that, though, is it?

66908 ▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1358 of 1542 🔗

The shops are also not making it clear that they know there are exemptions. All I see are the bullying ‘You need a mask to enter’.

66921 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Lili, 2, #1359 of 1542 🔗

Yep, once again, as with police over-reach, the only people that don’t seem to know about the law are those enforcing it.

66958 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Lili, #1360 of 1542 🔗

Wouldn’t you think a commercial enterprise. . . . . .

66891 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to mjr, 3, #1361 of 1542 🔗

Shopped in Aldi last night. Only unmuzzled person apart from checkout staff. One bloke in his fifties looked as if he was going to say something but didn’t.

66882 Paul Steward, replying to Paul Steward, 41, #1362 of 1542 🔗

Can I just say as a primary school teacher that my colleagues and I are completely against masks in schools! We were relieved when it was not part of the advice for September and hope the government doesn’t give in to this ridiculous demand now. It’s pointless and horrible for children and adults alike!

66924 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Paul Steward, 7, #1363 of 1542 🔗

Best of luck!

66931 ▶▶ James007, replying to Paul Steward, 5, #1364 of 1542 🔗

Good luck and thanks for standing firm. I saw the teaching unions pushing for this via the Usforthem network and worried about the impact on children.

66937 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Paul Steward, 5, #1365 of 1542 🔗

Well said. I would hope that any decent teacher feels the same.

The NAS/UWT (despite some characterizations here) was always backward in its views and slow on the uptake – not a rabid group of lefties.

68233 ▶▶▶ Paul Steward, replying to RickH, #1366 of 1542 🔗

Until recently I was in the NEU but their covid response was the straw that broke the camel’s back and I’ve left. I don’t think they represent the views of a vast majority of us.

66892 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #1367 of 1542 🔗
66914 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #1368 of 1542 🔗

Interesting that no MSM covered this event and the main streaming platforms have removed the video.

Tells us everything we need to know.

66952 ▶▶ Mark B, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1369 of 1542 🔗

A few hours ago the FDA released this on Twitter. Evil forces at work.

Based on continued review of scientific data, FDA has determined that chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are unlikely to be effective in treating #COVID19 and therefore we are revoking the emergency use authorization for these drugs: https://go.usa.gov/xwU2c

https://twitter.com/FDA_Drug_Info/status/1272572083738902530

66972 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Mark B, #1370 of 1542 🔗

Further down the comments, explains what this possibly means?

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1272583511975723008.html

67029 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Mark B, #1371 of 1542 🔗

“Today’s revocation of the EUA by the FDA is, in a sense, an admission that the agency erred by limiting the supply in the NSS to use in hospitalized patients.
A good outcome of today’s FDA order is that it states that the NSS supply of HCQ “can be distributed in interstate commerce.” This means it could be available for off-label early treatment, instead of limited to only hospitalized patients.”

From AssocAmerPhys&Surg webpage linked by PoshPanic

66894 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #1372 of 1542 🔗

“DYNAMICS OF THE COVID-19 PANDEMICS: GLOBAL PATTERN AND BETWEEN COUNTRIES VARIATIONS”
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.20.20155390v1.full.pdf
Sounds interesting? One of the first published. I was disappointed and couldn’t find anything particularly interesting or convincing. Their conclusion that this pandemic had the signs of a respiratory epidemic was not that thrilling.US curves are already outdated as they have an ongoing second peak in their outbreak due probably to the great land area for the virus to cover. They have a strange grouping of clustering of countries. I cannot see Italy, UK and Sweden that different from the others. They have a strange way of grouping one “cluster” with smaller landmasses where they have packed tiny Belgium with the big Turkey. Perhaps someone else can find something of interesting here.

66932 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1373 of 1542 🔗

The conclusions aren’t surprising. The paper is focusing on overall patterns of spread – a limited aspect of the infection. What will be much more interesting is the detailed work that will emerge (hopefully) over time about the differences between countries when a wide range of variables are properly analysed.

Obviously, this will be hindered by the obvious problems in the comparative data, but the interesting stuff comes from sophisticated analysis by such as Karl Friston, who identified the fact that governmental interventions are a small contributor to differences, and that, simply, much is unknown about the main causes of global variation :

https://unherd.com/2020/06/karl-friston-up-to-80-not-even-susceptible-to-covid-19/

However, there is an interesting comment in the Abstract, tending to confirm this analysis that governments farting about with civil liberties have been largely irrelevant to the spread of the disease.

“The pattern seems common to a very large number of countries, and congruent with that of epidemics of other respiratory syndromes, opens the hypothesis that the COVID-19 pandemic would have developed its “natural history” by spreading spontaneously despite the measures taken to contain it.”

… which is what the contrarian science was saying all along. Often, significant findings aren’t obviously ‘thrilling’.

66898 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 26, #1374 of 1542 🔗

I received a members’ email from the Coop telling me about mandatory face masks. No mention of exemptions so I asked for clarification. Below is my conversation with Customer ‘Care’. Another pet hate word to go with ‘safe’! Please note that I have confined the discussion to health exemptions because they are being discriminatory (in my view) but we all know that you can say you are exempt without giving any reason.

Another issue is these stores’ avoidance of making the facts of exemption clear and forcing their staff into muzzles. This is commercial lunacy, surely:

Dear Miriam

[].

From 24th July, posters containing clear messages will be displayed at the entrance to every trading branch informing the public of the requirement to wear a face covering whilst on site, in line with Government guidelines. The Society’s commitment to these Government guidelines is further reflected in our decision that every customer facing colleague also wears a facial covering to ensure that we provide both our colleagues and customers with the maximum protection.

Our colleagues will be encouraged to prompt non-compliant customers and refer them to the aforementioned messages, but at no point will they be required to enforce compliance or engage in any form of confrontation. Our primary objective is to protect our colleagues and customers and ensure that they do not become embroiled in points of tension. Under the Government guidelines, the latest rules for shops will be enforced by the police, with anyone disregarding them at risk of a fine of up to £100. If any customer becomes disruptive then our colleagues will follow these Government guidelines and call the Police. If a customer is exempt from wearing a face mask due to health reasons, please refer to the link below that advises the use of a lanyard or phone display that explains you do not have to wear one.

[link to govt website] []

Dear Emily,

Thank you for explaining the Coop’s policy on face masks. I find the Coop’s interpretation of the Government’s advice on exemptions worrying as it goes against the Government’s own guidelines.

You say, ‘If a customer is exempt from wearing a face mask due to health reasons, please refer to the link below that advises the use of a lanyard or phone display that explains you do not have to wear one.’

The Government’s own website, to which you link, says [my emphasis]:

‘Some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign.

This is a personal choice, and is not necessary in law.

If you would like to use an exemption card you can use the PDF attachments on this page.

Those who have an age, health or disability reason to not wear a face covering s hould not be routinely asked to provide any written evidence of this. Written evidence includes exemption cards.’

In no way does this constitute ‘advising the use of a lanyard’. Your staff need to understand the above very clearly otherwise they may assume that those not wearing a lanyard are breaking the law and this may well not be the case.  This attitude also risks encouraging members of the public to challenge people who cannot wear a face mask and are not wearing a lanyard and Government guidelines make it very clear that this would be against the law.

As a member, I take strong issue with the Coop choosing to enforce this mandate in a way which disadvantages people exempt from wearing a face mask and risks exposing them to censure from other members of the public.   Can you imagine the distress and anxiety this may cause vulnerable people who would risk their health by wearing a mask but who need to carry out essential shopping and do not want to label themselves?

Maybe another helpful poster displayed in the store windows could point out that harassment of exempt people will not be tolerated by the Coop.

I will be happy to tell any member of staff who asks me that I am exempt but I am not required by law to wear a lanyard or to produce anything else which will mark me as exempt.

[etc]

66907 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 7, #1375 of 1542 🔗

Shops have a duty of care to their customers to protect them from other customers. If a customer is harassed, pressured to provide any details of any medical condition, that’s very serious. The shop is liable for a fine of up to £9000 and anybody who discriminates against a non face nappy wearer is personally liable to a fine of up to £5000. That should make them engage their tiny brain. I think you just got lucky and wrote to another useful idiot. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel innit?

http://laworfiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Face-Covering-Exemption-Notice-with-Law-Explained-24-July-2020.pdf

66918 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1376 of 1542 🔗

Some fish may not wish to be shot, and you should not challenge them about this; of course, if you shoot the fish and take it away, you will need to wear a mask, whereas if you sit down in the barrel and the fish is brought to you… well, I think you get it 🙂

66917 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #1377 of 1542 🔗

Excellent letter!

66905 McNamara, #1378 of 1542 🔗

Toby, I think you are using the ‘false positive’ rate wrongly. If it were “one in 2,300 [positive tests]” it would be very low – I suspect what you meant to say was that the false positive rate could be so high – one in five or one in three, for example, as to mean that the actual incidence of infection is much lower than quoted.

66909 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #1379 of 1542 🔗

Member of US Congress just officially requested the Attorney general to investigate Zuckerberg and Facebook, hopefully you can expand the pic once downloaded and read it.

66925 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #1380 of 1542 🔗

Excellent. It’s about time Facebook was called out for its blatant political bias and election meddling.

66938 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lms23, 3, #1381 of 1542 🔗

SHUT IT DOWN!

67150 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1382 of 1542 🔗

Yup, time for FaceOff!

67772 ▶▶▶ Azoumi, replying to Lms23, #1383 of 1542 🔗

havent used mone for years…now scheduled for permanent deletion and good riddance!

67152 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1384 of 1542 🔗

Nice! Yes, blew up to readability with no problem (at least on my platform).

66910 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #1385 of 1542 🔗

Can I just get a little “told you so” in?

The Eat Out To Combat Obesity discount scheme starts on Monday. It’s available to every one, except if you are in a local lockdown. What’s the betting my council tinpot Hitlers will announce one towards the end of this week (we’ve already had leaflets)?

66922 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #1386 of 1542 🔗

OOOOh great, a cheaper meal in a handful of the last restaurants that are still open, served by a goon in PPE, surrounded by wall to ceiling plastic screens, eating off disposable paper plates, drinking out of plastic glasses and eating with plastic cutlery.

I can’t wait….hang on, I better have the salad too.

66923 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1387 of 1542 🔗

Don’t be daft, that sounds like something that 3 yr olds would organise… Oh.

66965 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Sam Vimes, #1388 of 1542 🔗

News just in. Doctors to prescribe bikes on NHS.

66971 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Basics, #1389 of 1542 🔗

Rest assured, I won’t be exceeding the stated dose.

66976 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1390 of 1542 🔗

But! I look forward to seeing the fuckers panting (on the flat) as they cycle with their face nappies on. Haar!

66982 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1391 of 1542 🔗

I hope the bikes have training wheels! I live near a popular cycle trail mostly used by tourists and the wobbling of the unfit is a sight to behold.

67105 ▶▶▶▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to Basics, #1392 of 1542 🔗

I have been saving up keenly to buy an electric bike to be able to keep up with my (mad keen Lycra clad sons). 2000 grand gets me a good one. How do I get the discount? Can I ring up and just say lockdown weight gain??? 😂 😂

67158 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Keen Cook, #1393 of 1542 🔗

I’m already wondering if tgey will let me away with new handle bars – quite like my old bike, handle bars are shot as aluminium. Ere doc… sign me up for slim fast handle bars! No – I have to prescribe you a whole bike. We need to check if gates has money in bikes now…

67157 ▶▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Basics, #1394 of 1542 🔗

Yep – that’s a tough one to swallow!

67332 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, #1395 of 1542 🔗

Matt the Death will only let you have the salad.

66930 Julian, replying to Julian, 5, #1396 of 1542 🔗

A tiny bit of good news. Got a text from someone who used to do sports massage on me, asking if I wanted to start again. I assumed I’d need to mask up, so I declined, but she’s happy for me not to (though she does – I said to her to only do so for herself, not for me). So we’re going ahead – happy to pass some business to someone who must have struggled during lockdown, financially.

67017 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Julian, 4, #1397 of 1542 🔗

Good news! I’m glad some people are managing to start up again.

I’m having an unmasked viola lesson tomorrow, the first (apart from Skype) for 4 months. I’m not much cop at playing it having started learning in my old age (I’m really a keyboard and retired horn player) but somehow continuing playing, despite the lack of any orchestra rehearsals to aim for, feels like an act of resistance!

I’ll have to brave the Zombie Express (train), unmuzzled, to get there and back but you can’t have it all.

66951 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 16, #1398 of 1542 🔗

Went for dinner last night with some people. All of them in the medical profession. Hugs and handshakes and these are people I don’t normally see. My OH is in medicine which means technically I am at higher risk but for all this time you can see it’s bollocks.

The flu and the cold are the standard metric. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise

66966 ▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to mhcp, 7, #1399 of 1542 🔗

There are cultists among the medical profession, but they are a minority I assure you.
If you view coronafanatacism as akin to a cultish religious revival only a few are actively true believers but most go along so as not to stand out.

66957 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #1400 of 1542 🔗

Latest ONS registered death figures just released, total deaths 8823 against 9093 average, so 270 fewer deaths than average. That is the 5th week running that total deaths have been below average, at this rate, despite Covid, 2020 could end up being an average year for deaths?
Mind you, even if that is the case, the monstrous test & trace system will still have us all running round in circles, pointlessly chasing our tails!

66962 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1401 of 1542 🔗

And still no test required:

Coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths
 Coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths are those deaths registered in England and Wales in the stated week where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate. A doctor can certify the involvement of COVID-19 based on symptoms and clinical findings – a positive test result is not required.

66969 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1402 of 1542 🔗

Yeah, but apart from that, and the fact the test is no good, and the double counting and the putting anyone down as a covid death even if they fall under a bus, it’s all pretty reliable ‘data’ innit?

66981 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #1403 of 1542 🔗

Indeed, I understand there was a fatal motorbike crash and Covid was included in the list of causes of deaths! To my mind that is why all we can do is look at total deaths from all causes and they are running at below average. As part of this Covid stuff was to save lives, & as total deaths now below average for 5 weeks running it looks to me like job done, pack up this nonsense and start living again.

66990 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #1404 of 1542 🔗

Absolutely right, Steve. Absolutely obvious. And absolutely not happening. This should be the big item on mainstream news. But…

66993 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1405 of 1542 🔗

Stay Home. Protect the NHS. Save Lives.

We did. Done. They don’t need it.

67019 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #1406 of 1542 🔗

“We’re in the middle of a deadly pandemic, you know “
“No, we’re at the very end of a completely unremarkable pandemic”

“Unprecedented public health emergency!”
“Yes. Without precedent since 2017/18”

67035 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to matt, 1, #1407 of 1542 🔗

And that’s it. It’s all there in that four line post.

66975 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #1408 of 1542 🔗

Even the spike in April didn’t make 2019/20 particularly exceptional in terms of mortality – merely the eighth highest since the 1993/94 season (population adjusted – an essential measure).

Since that peak, infection has been on a constant decline to the current insignificant level.

Imagine if we’d always done this stupid Scary Fairy dance every time winter-spring infections rose!

To keep an eye on reality, as opposed to fairy stories :

https://www.cebm.net/oxford-covid-19-evidence-service/

66997 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to RickH, 1, #1409 of 1542 🔗

We live in Wonderland now.

66963 Fed up, replying to Fed up, 9, #1410 of 1542 🔗

For some amusement in these very unamusing times, we could start a list of the most offensive words/phrases. Top of the list for me “Covid Secure” followed by “safe” “shielding” “mandatory” “the science”.

66967 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Fed up, 9, #1411 of 1542 🔗

‘Stay safe’ is the one that makes me cringe.

67061 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1412 of 1542 🔗

‘Stay sane’ is a good alternative.

66974 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Fed up, 5, #1413 of 1542 🔗

Here in Ireland where I now be there were no “shielding” going on but “cocooning”. But sadly those that have now emerged are not quite so liberated as a butterfly.

66987 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Fed up, 3, #1414 of 1542 🔗

Bubble(s)

66995 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to stefarm, 3, #1415 of 1542 🔗

A friend has a ‘capsule’. More up market, don’t you know.

66992 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Fed up, 6, #1416 of 1542 🔗

‘We’re all in it together’ gets me going.

67003 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Biggles, 3, #1417 of 1542 🔗

‘care’

67470 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Biggles, #1418 of 1542 🔗

Especially from some upper middle class media or public service 100% furlough type.

67010 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Fed up, 7, #1419 of 1542 🔗

Not forgetting “Lockdown” – the word previously known only in the context of USA Prisons extra incarceration methods used on Criminals. So we are ALL criminals now?

67083 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Fed up, 2, #1420 of 1542 🔗

‘My mask protects you, wear a mask to protect me’
‘Flatten the curve’
‘Public Health England’
Secretary of State for Health and Social Care’

67466 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1421 of 1542 🔗

Haven’t we forgot about “Flatten the Curve?” That’s the one we need to bring back to remind us exactly why we went down this route in the first place before the goal posts were moved to another stadium, league and sport.

67329 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fed up, 1, #1422 of 1542 🔗

‘stay safe’ for me. Friends(?) use it, I want to hit them.

67451 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Fed up, 2, #1423 of 1542 🔗

N E W N O R M A L

66964 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #1424 of 1542 🔗

Unmasked report 28 July

Went to Waitrose to get a few small items and it the atmosphere was worse than yesterday. Extremely hostile.

Security guard looked at me, then my phone when I showed him an “I’m exempt form a face mask” and said “well, ok then” in an unwelcoming tone

I was stared at
I received dirty looks

I chatted to cashier about how much baking everyone must be doing now and a woman said “well we all should be wearing masks”
“I’m exempt” I said
“How can you be?”
“Section 5 government guidelines”
“But that means you’re unsafe. I won’t even go back to work I feel so unsafe”

The govt, some medics and scientists and the media have colluded to create anxiety and fear on such an unprecedented scale.

In other news, all patients at our GP surgery, were sent a message about wellbeing support during coronavirus. Offering mental health support.

I’m thinking of going for this. Partly to see what they’re doing and partly because I may need it because I do feel safe and not unsafe, like everyone else.

My worry is, that I will stand out as not grounded because I’m not feeling unsafe like everyone else. Does that therefore mean I will be “admitted”, because I’m not in the real world?

66970 ▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #1425 of 1542 🔗

I checked out of planet insanity a while ago. I think we should just ignore the nonsense. I did a home visit last week , very unwell chap, didn’t want to bother us because we are so busy !! Argh !

66973 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #1426 of 1542 🔗

Mental health support? Watch out, might be another ruse to get more people tested.

66979 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #1427 of 1542 🔗

I won’t even go back to work I feel so unsafe”

This is what is happening – induced mental illness by the Mengele Brigade.

67062 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to RickH, 2, #1428 of 1542 🔗

But she goes out shopping….

67065 ▶▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to Lms23, 1, #1429 of 1542 🔗

Yeah, exactly. Shopping nice, work not. Conveniently been given a legitimate reason to live off the state and pull a massive sicky.

66991 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #1430 of 1542 🔗

Just ignore the masked brigade, they want to be dehumanised so treat them as such. I ignore people who address me whilst wearing a mask, I haven’t been challenged yet. In my mind I call the ‘The Invisibles’, and I treat them so.

67051 ▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to Winston Smith, 2, #1431 of 1542 🔗

I don’t wear one and I have had no issues with officious twats. I hope that I do though, cos they’ll wish they hadn’t. I carry a wafer thin scarf with me which I hold over my nose if I must, it is totally permeable and almost see-through and does not look like a mask. This is my effort to ensure face masks don’t become normalised. I instinctively want to avoid any place that enforces this unholy, un evidenced bollocks BUT I also don’t want the high street to die or our way of living to be changed by this, so I figure I will wear the scarf when I must, which is adherent in the loosest sense, to avoid this consequence. I won’t let them ruin the things that matter to me, like independent retailers, cafe culture, shared spaces etc. Keep it light, keep it bright… keep it gaaaaay.

67448 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Winston Smith, #1432 of 1542 🔗

Exactly. I just ignore them completely until they make some sort of personal gesture (a pointed stare etc.) and then I smile BROADLY at them.

67030 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #1433 of 1542 🔗

Do take this with you:

67475 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Sarigan, #1434 of 1542 🔗

Big hint: when you need 3 decimal places to note how dangerous something is, it’s probably not very.

67031 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #1435 of 1542 🔗

They will section you for being disasociated from your anxiety (ie not being anxious when you ought to be).

67069 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #1436 of 1542 🔗

“But that means you’re unsafe. I won’t even go back to work I feel so unsafe”

It’s people like that who really make me want to requisition a full yellow tychem suit with full visior helmet and a belt mounted battery powered respirator, walk around a few shops, and tell them that if they want protection, well, this is like 99%

67327 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to IMoz, #1437 of 1542 🔗

I’d rather borrow an AK47.

67325 ▶▶ annie, replying to Country Mumkin, #1438 of 1542 🔗

Just stick to your guns.
You are in the real world.
Zombies are in Hell.
Where they deserve to be.

PS. Do click and collect if the zombies get too much for you.

66968 John Ballard, #1439 of 1542 🔗

ONS data deaths down for the 5th week running on the five year average down 3 percent. But now mega panic mongering on Spain even though most of the place is no worse than the uk

66977 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #1440 of 1542 🔗

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0728/1155918-coronavirus-global/

Are the WHO starting to backtrack? One big wave, not a series of waves.

66983 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Ewan Duffy, 4, #1441 of 1542 🔗

Thanks for linking that. It looks like a significant change in stance. Not inconsistent with there not being a vaccine any time soon, or indeed ever?

67000 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #1442 of 1542 🔗

She also warned against thinking in terms of virus waves, saying: “It’s going to be one big wave. It’s going to go up and down a bit. The best thing is to flatten it and turn it into just something lapping at your feet.”

It IS flat! This is gaslighting!

67008 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1444 of 1542 🔗

Someone should tell her the story of King Canute.

67028 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #1445 of 1542 🔗

Ah, yes. Tried to turn back the tide, but it couldn’t hear him through his mask…

67006 ▶▶ Andy C, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #1446 of 1542 🔗

If that’s the case, that’s a big change in tune from them.

67012 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #1447 of 1542 🔗

This quote now from a WHO scientists says it all. Liar. WHO was the one introducing on size fit all lockdown from the beginning also in Africa leading to mass starvation and millions of girls thrown out of school into misery. This disgusting WHO is now getting second thoughts when other UN organisations like FAO warning about the consequences.
“But as the figures kept rolling in, the WHO argued against a wholesale closing of borders.This was “not necessarily a sustainable strategy for the world’s economy, for the world’s poor, or for anybody else,” said WHO executive director Michael Ryan.A “global one-size-fits-all policy” was impossible because outbreaks were developing differently in different countries, he added.”

67023 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1448 of 1542 🔗

Dr David Nabarro just interviewed on Sky. He was talking about ‘living with the virus’, ‘rich countries helping poor countries’, and ‘local, rapid lockdowns rather than blanket country lockdowns’, so very stable, and door. That said, no mention of a vaccine once!

66998 Locked down and out, replying to Locked down and out, 9, #1449 of 1542 🔗

When is the MSM finally going to pick up on this? It’s what Toby and others here have been saying for weeks. So, many of those dying in March and April would have otherwise died in June and July.
How long will it take, I wonder, before the excess deaths of the spring are counter-balanced by lower-than-usual numbers during the rest of the year meaning (as we all know here) coronavirus was a big fuss about nothing.

Deaths in England and Wales have remained below the five-year average for the fifth week in a row, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).
There were a total of 8,823 deaths registered in England and Wales in the week to 17 July – 270 fewer than the five-year average of 9,093.
Of those deaths, 295 mentioned Covid-19 on the death certificate – the lowest number of deaths involving the virus since the week ending 20 March.
The ONS said that as the virus has a greater impact on the elderly and those with underlying health conditions, some of these deaths are likely to have occurred over the duration of the year.
“These deaths occurring earlier than expected could contribute to a period of deaths below the five-year average,” the organisation said.

It seems only 3.3% of all deaths last week were CV-related.

67001 ▶▶ Will, replying to Locked down and out, 1, #1450 of 1542 🔗

There were also lower than five year average excess deaths last winter. I suspect that a calculation of excess deaths from September 19 through to March 21 will reveal that excess deaths have been in line with averages from the last five years, then the excess deaths will start to rise as the catastrophe of the lockdown plays out… the WHO are now admitting that Covid is just one wave of illness I.E. Professors Geisecke was right all along!!!!

67015 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Will, 2, #1451 of 1542 🔗

If there had been a bad Autumn /Winter flu last year many of those recently carried away would have already been dead.
It’s quite clear that this years total morbidity will be about normal, fewer RTAs, industrial accidents but more suicides and child murders.

67020 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to karenovirus, 3, #1452 of 1542 🔗

You’re saying that the cure will be worse than the disease! WITCHCRAFT!!!!

67189 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1453 of 1542 🔗

Simple maths (which you won’t hear from the MSM) : Averaging the 2018/19 mild flu’ season with the 2019/20 more severe season (including the April spike) gives a all-cause mortality at the median level for the past 27 years.

Nothing to see here. Move on!

67011 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Locked down and out, 2, #1454 of 1542 🔗

First happened in London, week 20.
Was obvious then that you can’t die of the Covid in March and then die again in June from your underlying condition.

67033 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to karenovirus, 5, #1455 of 1542 🔗

The fact that the curves were lagging for other parts of the country as compared to London should have been one of the early indications that Lockdown was pointless. Transmission and illness really got going in London earlier than it did in the rest of the country, but the lockdown was imposed at the same time everywhere.

That the north west or the north east (for example) could be visibly 2-3 weeks behind London in terms of peak and tail, despite having had the same restrictions imposed for exactly the same length of time should have been a pretty clear sign that lockdown made next-to-naff all difference.

67136 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to matt, 1, #1456 of 1542 🔗

Agreed, London got it first because Heathrow and got it bad because Heathrow, the tube and crowded living conditions. It lingers oop north because it got there later, simples.

67032 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Locked down and out, 5, #1457 of 1542 🔗

That’s why we still have the lockdown. The more deaths caused by lockdown etc, the more they weigh against the expected drop in excess deaths. So premeditated killing of extra people to hide the proof that government action was a clusterfuck.

Killing to cover their arses, that’s the type of psychopath our political system has been designed to attract.

67050 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #1458 of 1542 🔗

“When the world is run by psychopaths (think Stalin, Hitler, etc) the world goes mad.”

6% of the population are believed to be psychopaths, and it seems that most of them have found their way into power.

67075 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Lms23, #1459 of 1542 🔗

Thanks for that quote, I think it perfectly sums up current times. I’ll be using that myself.

67246 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lms23, #1460 of 1542 🔗

Read Jon Ronson’s “The Psychopath Test”

67320 ▶▶ annie, replying to Locked down and out, #1461 of 1542 🔗

What kind of plaint have I
Who perish in July?
I might have had to die
Perchance, in June.

The Yeomen of the Guard

67013 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 7, #1462 of 1542 🔗

OMG. I think I’ve found another symptom of Covid-19—-agreeing with the Labour Party.

My symptom appeared this morning when I read this on the Sky News website.

Labour’s shadow transport secretary, Jim McMahon told Sky News:

”We’ve seen in the UK where individual cities have different interventions….because it recognises where you have a localised spike…..but we haven’t seen that (with Spain) we’ve seen a very blunt tool if you like, again, where the government has imposed restrictions on the whole of Spain including the islands”

Gosh do you think my symptom could be infectious?

67045 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Margaret, #1463 of 1542 🔗

Let’s hope not, but I also agree. There are clearly some absolute numpties in government….

67180 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Margaret, #1464 of 1542 🔗

Well – if you’re worried – just think how f.ed people are by agreeing with the Tory Party. 🙂

67018 Andy C, replying to Andy C, 11, #1465 of 1542 🔗

Today’s report comes to you from the nearby Tesco Local. The shop floor was almost deserted, save for a young mum (unmasked) with her daughter and a handful of bored-looking employees. One was wearing a plastic visor and another was wearing a mask, but the others weren’t bothering. No questions were asked. Next, I paid a visit to my village pharmacy. Some of the employees milling around behind the counter were wearing chin hammocks. I was surprised at the lack of questions there, given that it’s a ‘medical setting’ of sorts. All in all, a good visit to my local shops.

67091 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Andy C, 2, #1466 of 1542 🔗

Shopping has now become such an unpleasant experience that people will obviously start either ordering online or stocking up on essentials and limiting their shopping trips. Either way it will reduce browsing time and impulse purchases and have negative economic impacts.

67313 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to OKUK, #1467 of 1542 🔗

Yeah, that’s why they now want to tax online shopping.
To ‘help the high street’.
My gawd.

67027 Rabbit, replying to Rabbit, 7, #1468 of 1542 🔗

Out and about for work yesterday. Large outdoor car park where London commuters park before getting on train. This is about 10:30am, dead, a handful of cars. On the few occasions I have gone to London for work you can arrive at this car park around 6am and it already filling up.

Tesco Extra for petrol, from passing the windows it looked quiet inside. Just used pay at pump, one person two rows away with no one else around them but wearing a mask. I guess the evil genius that is the virus is lying in wait on those contaminated pumps.

Drove through a couple of small towns, general observation that they were fairly quiet. However the weather not being great could be a factor.

Tesco Extra again later that evening, I would say at a guess 80% masked. It seemed to be mostly younger people choosing not to mask up. I didn’t witness or experience any hostility. But this was post 8pm and due to it being quiet it’s very easy to keep apart in the large aisles.

67126 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Rabbit, 1, #1469 of 1542 🔗

The old Pink Floyd song springs to mind
‘quiet desperation is the English way’.

67137 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1470 of 1542 🔗

“…shorter of breath and one day closer to death”. Whoops!

67034 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 9, #1471 of 1542 🔗

Went to KFC yesterday. I was the ONLY person in the restaurant. The assistant was behind perspex and wearing a mask. She asked me if I had a mask. I said I wasn’t going to be wearing one. She asked me to leave.

Then went to ASDA. Quite busy. Almost 100% of people wearing masks except a few staff and a couple of customers. But I had no hassle of any kind. So that made up for KFC!

67041 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Lockdown Truth, 4, #1472 of 1542 🔗

Strange how KFC can afford to turn custom away. So if you had ordered it via deliveroo could you have sat inside and eat it without a mask?

67046 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to stefarm, 1, #1473 of 1542 🔗

NO. It was’t open for sit down eating.

67052 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1474 of 1542 🔗

Noted, but is that a possible sneanrio? Sorry, I can’t keep up with all of the guidelines

67056 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to stefarm, 3, #1475 of 1542 🔗

Apparently if you’re sat down eating you don’t need a mask but if you’re just taking away you have to wear a mask.

67060 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #1476 of 1542 🔗

In the same room.

67092 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1477 of 1542 🔗

Simple, kitchen staff in MacDonalds Drive Thru (sorry) surrounded by new partitions must wear masks all day long. Kitchen staff in neighbouring Transport Cafe with no physical barrier to the eating public need not, hope that helps.

67096 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, #1478 of 1542 🔗

Sorry meant for Steven Farmer below, anxiety about guidelines.

67104 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to karenovirus, #1479 of 1542 🔗

I’m here 😁

67084 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1480 of 1542 🔗

Not really her fault, KFC have clearly not briefed her properly unlike the supermarkets who have been open all along and, in my recent experience, whose staff could care less about masks.

67123 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1481 of 1542 🔗

As if by strange magic I crossed the threshold of a KFC yesterday too – it was so empty I decided to venture in and have a chat all thing lockdown with the staff. None in masks – the manager, most manager-like person, said they did not really know really when and wear to tell me to wear masks. Just go with how you feel they said. I was asking about cafe vs take away.

67039 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 17, #1482 of 1542 🔗

The politicians and media are constantly pushing the number of new “cases,” without elaborating what that means exactly, the number of deaths, etc. There’s never any mention of treatments available or being used by the medical profession, the recovery rate, etc. They’re deliberately scaring and confusing the public, “wear a mask, shut up, don’t question, wait for a vaccine.”
Then they have the audacity to say that they’re following public opinion, having formed it in the first place.
If we didn’t have CV19 constantly in the news, with mandatory masks, etc, the vast majority of people wouldn’t even know there was a problem in the first place.

67042 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Lms23, 4, #1483 of 1542 🔗

The D number and mortality rate is the true number we should be worried about.

67068 ▶▶▶ Mike Smith, replying to stefarm, 3, #1484 of 1542 🔗

If it was significant we’d be hearing all about it.

67078 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to stefarm, 2, #1485 of 1542 🔗

Yes but even then only in a rational non hysterical manner. Respiratory illnesses are often a blessed relief for those in extreme old age. We do not currently have either the medical knowledge or the technology to declare war on viruses – it’s like an Amazonian native trying to use a bow and arrow against a tank.

67086 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to OKUK, 1, #1486 of 1542 🔗

Agree 👍

67089 ▶▶▶▶ Fed up, replying to OKUK, 2, #1487 of 1542 🔗

Pneumonia has been termed “old man’s friend” because ‘left untreated the sufferer often lapses into a state of reduced consciousness slipping peacefully away in their sleep giving a dignified end to a period of often considerable suffering’ (netdoctors). Compare that to the reported cases of PTSD in those ventilated.

67043 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Lms23, 5, #1488 of 1542 🔗

Exactly. It’s the only disease that needs a constant PR campaign.

67080 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1489 of 1542 🔗

Nice one – a virus with an expensive PR campaign behind it! How true!!

67053 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Lms23, 8, #1490 of 1542 🔗

Hey, Boris and pals! This is from your own big book of law:

Offence of sending letters etc. with intent to cause distress or anxiety.

(1)Any person who sends to another person—

(a)a [F1letter, electronic communication or article of any description] which conveys—

(i)a message which is indecent or grossly offensive;

(ii)a threat; or

(iii)information which is false and known or believed to be false by the sender; or

(b)any [F2article or electronic communication] which is, in whole or part, of an indecent or grossly offensive nature,

is guilty of an offence if his purpose, or one of his purposes, in sending it is that it should, so far as falling within paragraph (a) or (b) above, cause distress or anxiety to the recipient or to any other person to whom he intends that it or its contents or nature should be communicated.

67099 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #1491 of 1542 🔗

Considering the SAGE minutes suggested increasing people’s fear of personal threat.

67310 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Sam Vimes, #1492 of 1542 🔗

Wow, good one.

67057 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lms23, 4, #1493 of 1542 🔗

You nailed it Lms!

Nick R I think it was linked to BBC article from 2018 when we had 50000 excess deaths
and no one batted an eyelid.

67070 ▶▶▶ Mike Smith, replying to OKUK, 1, #1494 of 1542 🔗

That was a fantastic post. We need to make the most of that.

67072 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to OKUK, 4, #1495 of 1542 🔗

My comment was prompted by a U.S. gymnasium owner who was arrested yesterday because he’d defied the local governor’s orders to close his business. He’d had 13,000 customers since June, and not a single case of CV19. The case numbers are very low where he is, but the governor is another tyrant Democrat who wants to keep everything closed, except liquor stores and cannabis shops. That tells you everything.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YGeGY9sYt6g
Tucker Carlson Tonight 27/7

67077 ▶▶▶ Gillian Swanson, replying to OKUK, 4, #1496 of 1542 🔗

In 1968 Hong Kong flu killed 80,000 in the UK. I didn’t even notice it was happening.

67393 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Gillian Swanson, #1497 of 1542 🔗

And there were only 55 million people in the country then

67095 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to OKUK, 3, #1498 of 1542 🔗

I shared the BBC article with my mum who is a sceptic but probably just wants a quiet life and rarely questions much.

Her reply – wow, I don’t remember all this fuss in 2018…

67067 ▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to Lms23, 3, #1499 of 1542 🔗

Clear communication completely absent on any public platform. This is creating hysteria. . What ‘the numbers’ are: how many tests, results of tests, % accuracy tests, who carrying out tests (private or public) , % likelihood false + or -ve. How many people unwell. How unwell? How many people hospitalised. How many deaths? % expected deaths with improved clinical treatment? All this could be portrayed in simple terms. It isn’t. Appalling.

67172 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Lms23, 1, #1501 of 1542 🔗

From the Swiss Doctor summary site :

“Case numbers” are, however, a misleading figure that cannot be equated with sick or infected people. A positive test can, for example, be due to non-infectious virus fragments, an asymptomatic infection, a repeated test, or a false-positive result.”

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

67298 ▶▶ PowerCorrupts, replying to Lms23, #1502 of 1542 🔗

US doctors conference demanding use of hydroxychlorquine (because it works) and exposing its suppression: taken off Facebook, Twitter, youtube as soon as it went viral:

short video: https://www.bitchute.com/video/c7rrMPoXqGvn/
full Summit (under menu) : AmericasFrontlineDoctors.com
Well worth listening to full summit, 3 hours

67049 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #1503 of 1542 🔗

Anybody done the childish sucking the air out of a mug/cup to make it stick to your face? Remember how it leaves a visible ring when you take it off?

I’m wondering if prolonged mask usage could eventually make everyone look like Homer Simpson, via tan lines, spot rings etc:

67059 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #1504 of 1542 🔗

Hubby sometimes uses a mask with filters on either side, when working with a sander or other dust-creating machinery. He ends up with a big red ring round his chops; same with the eye-goggles. Takes ages to fade away!

67082 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to thedarkhorse, 3, #1505 of 1542 🔗

But the most annoying thing about those masks now is that you can’t get them for love nor money! I need to do some DIY in the loft, so to keep the fibreglass at bay I need a proper dust mask. Unfortunately, all the bedwetters have stripped the shelves bare of them, and are wearing them in the supermarket.

67339 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Tenchy, #1506 of 1542 🔗

Dust masks protect your from dust not bloody viruses. People are morons if they’re using them in supermarkets

67074 Tom Blackburn, 2, #1507 of 1542 🔗

Proof that it is the tail wagging the dog with regards government’s relationships with scientists?

Daily Mail: Chris Whitty ‘DEMANDED ministers put Spain back onto the UK’s quarantine list’.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8567225/Chris-Whitty-DEMANDED-ministers-Spain-UKs-quarantine-list.html

67076 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1508 of 1542 🔗

Just when you thought the stupidity level around Wuhan Lab Flu had reached the ultimate, we get this (paywall):

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/28/people-6ft-have-double-risk-coronavirus-study-suggests/

Here’s the bit that isn’t behind the paywall:

People over 6ft tall have more than double the chance of being diagnosed with Covid-19, a survey suggests.

An international team of researchers, including experts from the University of Manchester and Open University, surveyed 2,000 people in the UK and US to look at whether personal attributes, work and living practices might influence transmission.

The team found that taller people are at higher risk, which the scientists say suggests that the virus is transmitting through the air, as height would not make a difference if people were contracting the diseases exclusively through droplets.

have you ever read so much utter BOLLOCKS! in your life?

67085 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1509 of 1542 🔗

It’s because they’re closer to it. Remember if you sit in a restaurant you can’t catch it!

67088 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Tenchy, #1510 of 1542 🔗

Does this mean that taller people should be double bagging? Maybe they should make it mandatory asap.

67090 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1511 of 1542 🔗

I am exactly 6ft! Where does that leave me? Slightly higher risk especially if on tiptoes?

67094 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1512 of 1542 🔗

Your nose might be at slightly higher risk than your mouth and precautionary steps should be taken accordingly.

67097 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1513 of 1542 🔗

Just a nose mask should suffice then – phew!

67101 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1514 of 1542 🔗

Shit, I’m 6ft 2. I’ll have to adopt the comedy walk of strapping my shoes to my knees and walking around on my knees.

67106 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Tenchy, #1515 of 1542 🔗

There was a general consensus maybe 20 years ago that tall slim people are more likely to suffer collapsed lungs. I know nothing more that that.

I certainly enjoyed the comment ‘because they are closer to it’!

67108 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tenchy, #1516 of 1542 🔗

There is an old saying: long bones don’t make old bones. Sorry to be heightist.

67124 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tenchy, #1517 of 1542 🔗

Oh fuck… I’m 6’2 !

67138 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1518 of 1542 🔗

Matt Handcock has today announced that people over 5’9” should now kneel on a skate board or “a home made wheeled platform” when in public and avoid standing up in confined spaces. Failure to comply will result in a £100 fine. Also high heels are now banned and everybody must wear flat soled shoes.
He has also said the “Emerging Science” has clearly shown the need for height restriction in public as the virus can be spread farther the higher up people’s mouths are.

67140 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1519 of 1542 🔗

It was always about flattening the sole.

67305 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tenchy, #1520 of 1542 🔗

Well, they’re longer, that’s more of them to infect, stands to reason

67087 Hammer Onats, replying to Hammer Onats, 8, #1521 of 1542 🔗

Just when you thought Johnson could be any more cretinous: “Boris Johnson has defended the Government’s decision to impose quarantine restrictions on Spain, saying there are signs of a second wave of coronavirus in Europe.” Why are most of the population so fucking stupid that they are taken in by this?

67113 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Hammer Onats, 3, #1522 of 1542 🔗

The Bible did say that God would send delusions during the End Times. This is it. We’re in it and these are the delusions. Sceptics are blessed.

67098 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1523 of 1542 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8567833/Covid-19-deaths-drop-low-England-Wales-RISING-South-West-South-East.html . Big headline -Virus fatalities rising in the South West and South East. Yes it’s a scary 57% increase in Covid deaths in the South East Err except the rise is from seven to eleven in the South West which looks more like the the 57%.Still you can never be too safe . Surely a local lockdown with mandatory gloves and indoor masks.

67134 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1524 of 1542 🔗

WOW, that’s TERRIFYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

67292 ▶▶▶ PowerCorrupts, replying to Two-Six, #1525 of 1542 🔗

Yes, terrifying how the media use the statistic that creates the darkest impression, I was just thinking how %’s can really suit those who want to inflate the fear, instead of :
flattenthefear.com
a doctor’s website worth visiting

67167 ▶▶ RickH, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1526 of 1542 🔗

The only comfort you can take from this sort of farcical use of numbers is the confirmation that the Scary Fairy Mengele Brigade are stupidly innumerate.

By implication – intelligence lies on the side of the contrary case.

67103 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 9, #1527 of 1542 🔗

It is so sad to see what has been done to our lovely country in the name of dogma.

Thank God for this site…a little oasis of sanity in the great sweltering Sahara of mass hysteria.

I am not normally a toadying type but in this case Toby does deserve full praise and support for facilitating this community of the sane and the sanguine.

67302 ▶▶ annie, replying to OKUK, #1528 of 1542 🔗

That’s not toadying, it’s proper acknowledgement.
Welcome to Toby’s regiment!

67119 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 3, #1529 of 1542 🔗

Locked Down And Out

asked an hour ago when the MSM