Last updated2020-08-04T14:10:46



76703 JohnB, 5, #1 of 1306 🔗

Hahaha, in your face Hawk Anal Cyst!!!!!!!!!

76704 IMoz, replying to IMoz, 12, #2 of 1306 🔗

Let’s start the day off with a repeat of what I said:

So, according to the ONS, deaths for week 30 of 2020:-

Total: 8891 (up from 8823 prev. week, down from 5 year average of 9052)

‘flu/pneumonia: 958 (up from 879 prev. week)
COVID-19: 217 (down from 295 prev. week)

‘flu/pneumonia:COVID-19 ratio is over 4.14:1 (guessing masks aren’t stopping regular ‘flu/pneumonia?), COVID-19 deaths as a proportion of all-cause deaths: 2.44%, ‘flu/pneumonia: 10.77% (guess we’re going to be self-isolating due to ‘flu soon!)


76757 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to IMoz, 2, #3 of 1306 🔗

I like that.

76986 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to IMoz, 2, #4 of 1306 🔗

I am astounded they can differentiate between flu/pneumonia! I thought they would just chuck that in with c deaths.

77060 ▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Silke David, 1, #5 of 1306 🔗

I suspect it’s ones where COVID-19 test returns negative

76706 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 35, #6 of 1306 🔗

I went for my first supermarket shop since the mandatory masks came into effect. As I was walking towards the entrance the member of staff who stands on the door asked if I had a face covering and I said “I’m exempt” and he said no problem, gave me a thumbs up and I walked through. Nobody in the shop said anything or even looked in my general direction.

Sadly, I was the only customer in the entire shop without one. I’d say 75% of staff wore one too.

76729 ▶▶ IanE, replying to John Galt, 26, #7 of 1306 🔗

I posted a very similar comment on yesterday’s. Main difference was that all (yes, every single one) of the staff had masks – and I reckon I saw/passed 100 or more, all with masks except me, i.e. 99%+ compliance! Why, just, bloody hell, why?

76733 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to IanE, 16, #8 of 1306 🔗

My experience was the same as Morrisons, was hoping people would be getting wise to this sham , but sadly not just me unmasked.

I know I keep banging on about this people I see people in every supermarket who should not be restricting their air supply. Some plod along, but still have masks on.

76869 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to IanE, 7, #9 of 1306 🔗

Because people don’t know about exemptions, and think they’ll be either fined by the police if they don’t wear one, or don’t want a row with other shoppers.

77068 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lms23, 5, #10 of 1306 🔗

That’s the sad thing. I’ve told people who have health conditions like asthma and heart procedures that they should not suffer in silence and get a lanyard but my appeal falls on deaf ears as apart from the fear of being fined or having a row with other shoppers, they also believe that old chestnut of wearing a muzzle to protect others. They don’t believe me when I point out that they’re ineffective and they’re doing more harm to themselves.

77321 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #11 of 1306 🔗

Have you tried one about underwear not keeping farts in, Covid particles are a lot smaller than farts.

77365 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 1, #12 of 1306 🔗

No I haven’t. That’s a good idea and makes sense.

77648 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #13 of 1306 🔗

I shop unmasked without a lanyard, my health is not their business.

77666 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Rowan, #14 of 1306 🔗

Agree. I keep mine in my pocket as I’m not comfortable showing it off.

77641 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to IanE, #15 of 1306 🔗

Same again for me and my wife who were the only unmasked customers in a busy Lidl’s supermarket. Most people haven’t a clue that this all about control and nothing at all to do with an infectious disease, which if it ever existed has now vanished. The next major task will be avoiding Bill Gates’s genocidal vaccines.

76785 ▶▶ mjr, replying to John Galt, 17, #16 of 1306 🔗

Did my regular shop – Aldi. Staff all nice as ever.. those not on tills forced to wear masks and still looking uncomfortable. No door guards. I was maskless. A couple of other ladies were also maskless. everyone else masked but no comments, looks etc .
Went into shopping centre. Too many people walking round outside the shops with masks on . wanted to complain at bank, but queue of 10 people waiting for it to open. Then tried to phone – on hold for ages and gave up. Why are these banks become so bad. they are using lockdown as a reason for a huge reduction in service levels.

76991 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to John Galt, 20, #17 of 1306 🔗

I work in a coffeeshop, where we greet people at the door and advise of the new procedures. If they do not already wear their muzzle, I tell them they do not need it, and there are plenty of smiles and relieved faces. Neither do I make them use sanitizer.

77122 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Silke David, 4, #18 of 1306 🔗

Good to hear.

77981 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Silke David, #19 of 1306 🔗

At last a positive, sane example of virtue signalling. We need to continue dismantling its current negative form. Our Woke is Freedom, not Tyranny. We are the real woke folks. We are The Champions. Woke R Us.

77318 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to John Galt, 3, #20 of 1306 🔗

I asked an off duty Tesco worker if was obliged to wear a mask by the company he said ‘no not obliged but strongly advised’.

76710 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 11, #21 of 1306 🔗

This is fabulous reading


Very interesting the updated comment of this original article which showed that face masks were not effective

Now the authors have come under enormous pressure to withdraw or correct the article so they now say they support masks but do they?

“Is wearing a face covering better than nothing? “Wearing a cloth mask or face covering could be better than doing nothing, but we simply don’t know at this point. We have observed an evolution in the messaging around cloth masks, from an initial understanding that they should not be seen as a replacement for physical distancing to more recent messaging that suggests cloth masks are equivalent to physical distancing. And while everyone appears to understand that this messaging suggests that a cloth mask is appropriate only for source control (ie, to protect others from infection), recent CDC and other guidance recommending their use by workers seems to imply that they offer some type of personal protection.”
Do we support cloth mask wearing where mandated? “Despite the current limited scientific data detailing their effectiveness, we support the wearing of face coverings by the public when mandated and when in close contact with people whose infection status they don’t know”

“A cloth mask or face covering does very little to prevent the emission or inhalation of small particles. As discussed in an earlier CIDRAP commentary and more recently by Morawska and Milton (2020) in an open letter to WHO signed by 239 scientists, inhalation of small infectious particles is not only biologically plausible, but the epidemiology supports it as an important mode of transmission for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19”

“In summary, though we support mask wearing by the general public, we continue to conclude that cloth masks and face coverings are likely to have limited impact on lowering COVID-19 transmission, because they have minimal ability to prevent the emission of small particles, offer limited personal protection with respect to small particle inhalation, and should not be recommended as a replacement for physical distancing or reducing time in enclosed spaces with many potentially infectious people. We are very concerned about messaging that suggests cloth masks or face coverings can replace physical distancing. We also worry that the public doesn’t understand the limitations of cloth masks and face coverings when we observe how many people wear their mask under their nose or even under their mouth, remove their masks when talking to someone nearby, or fail to practice physical distancing when wearing a mask.”

It sounds like Galileo(“E pur si muove”).But that is medieval times. But aren’t we there now?

76736 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 10, #22 of 1306 🔗

Yes, medieval times. Second Dark Age.

76799 ▶▶▶ sarnskeptic, replying to Julian, 9, #23 of 1306 🔗

I take issue with this because at least the medievals were following the science of the time. Our lot aren’t even doing that! If anything they’re more superstitious and treat “science” like it is some kind of magic that defies rationale and logic.

76898 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to sarnskeptic, 9, #24 of 1306 🔗

That’s because our New Bosses are MediEvil.

77657 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to sarnskeptic, 1, #25 of 1306 🔗

It’s not that they are scared or frightened of science. It’s just that the science doesn’t fit in with their control and depopulation agenda. We are in deep trouble.

77651 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Julian, #26 of 1306 🔗

And the government plan is to make it a lot darker still.

76740 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to swedenborg, 15, #27 of 1306 🔗

I actually spelled out the fallacy of the “evidence” to the President of the Royal Society and the man who (I am guessing) was involved in “amassing” Royal Society’s argument for face masks when it first came out (just before masks were mandated), all I got back was “thanks for feedback and critique.” Let’s put it this way: that paper by the Royal Society was not meant to be scruitinised in the slightest!

76756 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to swedenborg, 6, #28 of 1306 🔗

Contrast this with recently published FAA report on the 737 MAX flight JT610 and the recommendations for MCAS use and software changes.

Great amount of detail about specific things and what has to be mitigated and shown to be airworthy.

The evidence of masks is at the suggests stage. The peer review stage is still just a possible.

To anyone here who doesn’t know it: peer review does not mean something is correct. It just means it’s deemed suitable to enter the scientfic discourse. Being correct means that it has been tested, retested, all the time trying to break it, to falsify it and still it seems to work.

Or what most people think means correct.

76784 ▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to mhcp, 5, #29 of 1306 🔗

There are different levels of “experiments” in medicine, most of the “for” evidence comes from Case-Control Studies what are badly designed and not entirely honest (in one, for example, they were using oseltamivir phosphate and didn’t take it into account whatsoever), most (if not all) were done in China. Several levels of “confidence” above Case-Control Studies, are Randomized Controlled Trial (if that trial is multi-site it’s even better). The thing is, all RCTs, and there have even been multi-site RCTs say masks are useless and, on occasion, counter-productive.

76824 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to IMoz, 1, #30 of 1306 🔗

Following RCTs is normally periods of application with strict guidance to see the efficacy. That’s essentially the “qualification” stage before things become procedure. My OH is in medicine.

That’s the hard bit. Seeing how all other day to day factors affect your procedure.

On a sidenote I have heard that some specialised units are doing trials without PPE. These are units that generate aerosols. The point being that the guidance on PPE was so woeful and wasteful they want to see what evidence there is. Better late then never I guess.

76839 ▶▶▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to mhcp, 2, #31 of 1306 🔗

They did a comparative N95 vs mask for ‘flu in hospitals and just published last September (and their mask adherence was better than “joe public’s”): no difference between masks (8.2% vs 7.2%) — https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

With masks (either regular or N95) they still were closer to the upper bound of regular US infection rate (3–11%): https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/keyfacts.htm

77665 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to IMoz, #32 of 1306 🔗

Yes indeed, the proper science says masks have no measurable on the transmission of airborne respiratory infections. The scientists know that, but they still lie and so are obviously under great pressure. This is just another indication of the very sinister nature of this whole sorry business.

77997 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to IMoz, #33 of 1306 🔗

Do they use I Ching?

76812 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to swedenborg, 1, #34 of 1306 🔗

HSE on their site, say, only surgical masks work

76979 ▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #35 of 1306 🔗

They forgot the study they did themselves:

… Live viruses could be detected in the air behind all surgical masks tested…


78000 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to IMoz, #36 of 1306 🔗

They lie and change their tune so often they can’t remember where they are anymore.
‘Liar, liar, pants on fire’ … ‘your nose is longer than a telephone wire’…

76826 ▶▶ Drawde927, replying to swedenborg, 21, #37 of 1306 🔗

(3) the article is being used by individuals and groups to support non-mask wearing where mandated

This says it all really. Mask-wearing is basically an article of faith for the Covid-zealots. Only “the wrong sort of people” (nasty irresponsible libertarians and right-wingers*) would think to question the science and look up the evidence for themselves. Right-thinking, caring, responsible people should do as they’re told, why would you question something that’s To Save Lives?

I chanced on a Twitter thread yesterday (think it was from one of the comments on Ivor Cummins’ page) where the posters were all complaining about non-mask-wearing shoppers in England, how they’re risking a second wave and how they should be forced to dig graves for Covid victims! I wouldn’t think you’d need many people to do that job now, the rate at which deaths are declining…

Apologies for the rant but this tribal politicisation of issues like masks really makes me despair. If people are that self-righteously ignorant I can’t think they’ll ever admit that they were wrong.

*I don’t normally consider myself either, but this pan(dem)ic has turned my political allegiance upside-down. Most of the people online I might normally more or less agree with seem to be from another planet in their attitude to Covid-related issues.

76829 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Drawde927, 8, #38 of 1306 🔗

I would totally dig those graves if they were willing to pay me what contact tracers are getting 😆

Same amount of work – well maybe a bit more but hey – same amount of money. Plus exercise.

77673 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Drawde927, #39 of 1306 🔗

There is clearly something very sinister going on. The UK government like many others, is clearly working to Bill Gates’s depopulation by vaccine agenda. We are in deep trouble.

77120 ▶▶ annie, replying to swedenborg, 4, #40 of 1306 🔗

How about this bit?

‘We know of workplaces in which employees are told they cannot wear respirators for the hazardous environments they work in, but instead need to wear a cloth mask or face covering. These are dangerous and inappropriate applications that greatly exceed the initial purpose of a cloth mask. We are concerned that many people do not understand the very limited degree of protection a cloth mask or face covering likely offers as source control for people located nearby.’

Saving lives?!?

77984 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to swedenborg, #41 of 1306 🔗

‘when we observe’. The surveillance State.

76713 Ethelred the Unready, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 51, #42 of 1306 🔗

Bad experience of Ocado delivery to Castle Ethelred yesterday. Doorbell rang, outside was an unmasked Ocado operative, busy unloading boxes of groceries into the Castles keep (ok, front porch). I was initially amused As he has the look of a thin, but slightly aged,Rick Wakeman. As I approached him through the front door with a cheery “how are you Doing?” And approached to start picking up my bags of groceries, he shied backwards, dancing a little jig. I actually thought he might be having a little fit of some kind. Then as I approached my bags a second time, he spasmed once again , this time uttering the words “no, no”…and fumbling in his pocket for a mask. “It’s my wife” he said, “she would be very vulnerable if she caught the virus”. I was a millimetre away from telling him to pick up the groceries and F right off.
If contact with the public was too dangerous for – his wife – , he was in the wrong job! Ethelred is not in the business of being treated like a leper on his own doorstep!

76716 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 26, #43 of 1306 🔗

Pattern emerging here, Waitrose seem to be brainwashing their staff, am I right in thinking most of the comments on here have found Waitrose and Waitrose staff to be rude and obnoxious

76728 ▶▶▶ AllieT, replying to stefarm, 7, #44 of 1306 🔗

I have heard similar about Waitrose

77675 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to AllieT, #45 of 1306 🔗

Waitrose are part of the problem and won’t stand up to government stupidity.

76730 ▶▶▶ Alison9, replying to stefarm, 19, #46 of 1306 🔗

I used to be a regular twice weekly shopper there pre March and was on good terms with all the staff but I stopped going quite early on when they seemed to have bouncers on the door who just seemed quite aggressive and who would occasionally shout down the aisles, reminding us to keep 2m apart. It all felt a bit over the top. I’ve been a couple of times since, each time having to queue for 10 mins to half an hour. The regular staff look quite downcast (as the footfall is a fraction of pre-Covid levels) but the local M&S appears to be the winner with vastly increased footfall and a rather more friendly and laid back approach. There are always winners and losers I guess but I love Waitrose/John Lewis so hope they get back to treating us like normal customers and ditch the door guys.

76731 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Alison9, 1, #47 of 1306 🔗

Anybody on here been to John Lewis recently? Any difference compared to Waitrose?

76787 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 12, #48 of 1306 🔗

I spoke to someone who went to JL in Cambridge and it’s full-on with one way systems and wasn’t a particularly enjoyable experience. They said they wouldn’t be going back anytime soon.

76746 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Alison9, 17, #49 of 1306 🔗

The likes of Waitrose need to be told by their customers, “If you treat us like shit, we won’t be back”. Tell them in-store & online (as they would say) and by email to their head office, and tell your friends and family.

76783 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Edward, 6, #50 of 1306 🔗

I did that. Got a snooty response from some double-barrelled type who basically told me to “sod off”.

77676 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to kh1485, #51 of 1306 🔗

So take your business elsewhere.

77240 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alison9, replying to Edward, 2, #52 of 1306 🔗

I did mention to a couple of friends that I wasn’t shopping there atm but they said they loved it and how it made them feel “much safer” as social distancing wasn’t ever a problem because Waitrose limited the numbers going in. I guess the stores are having to navigate these times as best they can, trying to keep everyone happy.

77677 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Alison9, #53 of 1306 🔗

People and businesses need to stand up to government tyranny before it’s too late.

76749 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to stefarm, 2, #54 of 1306 🔗

In my experience, yes.

76752 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to stefarm, 8, #55 of 1306 🔗

We did Waitrose until the masks. They had the queue system but it wasn’t over the top with social distancing. Generally you just use courtesy and common sense. Haven’t been back since Mask Day

76781 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 13, #56 of 1306 🔗

Waitrose staff have always considered themselves to be a cut above the rest and this nightmare seems to have entrenched that view all the more.

Been treated like a medieval agent of plague once too often so have boycotted.

76930 ▶▶▶▶ Ethelred the Unready, replying to kh1485, 11, #57 of 1306 🔗

The Hyacinth Bouquets of retail….

77042 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 3, #58 of 1306 🔗

Lovely remark! Thanks very much!

78023 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ethelred the Unready, #59 of 1306 🔗

Time for an Indoor/Outdoors Barbecue.

76803 ▶▶▶ Hoppity, replying to stefarm, 8, #60 of 1306 🔗

I made a point of asking what the policy was going to be in my local branch of Waitrose a few days before the Friday in question. I was told staff could choose whether or not they wore a face-covering, and that they’d been told they were not to attempt to enforce anything with customers. Goodo, I thought. But when I went in a week later, all the staff in there were wearing black masks (so sinister-looking), apart from those behind the thick polythene curtains at the checkouts. When I asked one of the kids what had happened, he gave me to understand that they were now under orders to wear them. Meanwhile, a friend told me that staff in the Surbiton branch weren’t wearing masks… Had a couple of run-ins with the same ‘COVID chaperone’ at my local branch soon after lockdown. Throwing her weight around verbally, playing to an audience, etc.. Everything about Waitrose started going downhill after the 2008 financial crash. It’s fallen a long way since then.

77323 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hoppity, #61 of 1306 🔗

I think the full face black masks are quite sexy, in a nazi/antifa kinda way.

77681 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, #62 of 1306 🔗


77987 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, #63 of 1306 🔗

The people that are diehard black mask wearers today were probably among the people who were frightened out of their wits watching TV coveraqe of Anarchist groups wearing black masks at demonstrations ten years ago. Go figure.

77985 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Hoppity, #64 of 1306 🔗

She should go to acting school, then audition for a role in a new woke TV series for ITV or the BBC.

76931 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to stefarm, 16, #65 of 1306 🔗

Waitrose totally suck.

They have easily been the worst for mental covid measures,

Their Care Worker priority is obnoxious and they love it, their staff are PPE crazy their security guards in the stupid visors are ludicrous. Their prime demographic of shopper is a Guardian reading covophobic in later years who really think that venturing outside of their lovely country homes for food could kill them.
They haven’t replied to my email that I wrote to them complaining about their mental covid measures.

So Waitrose, just fudge off.

77001 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to stefarm, 4, #66 of 1306 🔗

My local Waitrose is fine. Staff are friendly and the few I talked to (cashiers) think this is all a hype. Most do not wear a muzzle. Hardly any queues anymore, there are even times when no-one on the door.

77046 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Silke David, 1, #67 of 1306 🔗

All the local Lidl and Aldi branches have given up on the queueing supervision now. The markers are there, but we’re in-round-pay-and out so fast that the branches are never crowded anyway. Lovely staff.

77135 ▶▶▶ Squire Western, replying to stefarm, 9, #68 of 1306 🔗

Here in Wales masks are not compulsory in shops. I live in a tourist area (Snowdonia) and I estimate mask wearing to be about 35% in supermarkets, mostly by visitors who don’t know the rules here. Except Waitrose. Far higher compliance with mask-wearing in Waitrose. A lot of this is middle-class virtue signalling.

77306 ▶▶▶▶ Maud Boggins, replying to Squire Western, #69 of 1306 🔗

My favourite character from Tom Jones A Foundling!

77684 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Squire Western, #70 of 1306 🔗

Or middle-class stupidity.

77324 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stefarm, 3, #71 of 1306 🔗

Local convenience stores gave up on mask enforcement after a couple of days. Compliance is now less than 50-50.

78030 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, #72 of 1306 🔗

They have more to lose and more to gain.

76789 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Ethelred the Unready, #73 of 1306 🔗

a slightly aged Rick Wakeman?? Have you not seen him recently (he does a lot of TV) . Great guy, very witty… .. but he certainly looks his age now

76797 ▶▶▶ Ethelred the Unready, replying to mjr, #74 of 1306 🔗

Well at least the Ocado guy wasn’t playing ‘The Gates of Delerium’ whilst eating a takeaway curry off his bank of key board I guess… 😂

77993 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to mjr, #75 of 1306 🔗

Yeah. And trying to take over Phil’s job on Car SOS. Dastardly Rick.

77087 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ethelred the Unready, #76 of 1306 🔗

Sorry to hear that. Funny as I’ve been to two Waitrose branches in London and have not had any problems.

As for John Lewis, have been boycotting them especially as they refused to sell a kitchen knife online and never replied to my email about my boycott. Did 2 purchases online but that’s about it.

76761 ▶▶ Tim, replying to Joseph Collins, 1, #78 of 1306 🔗

Mmm, I wouldn’t set too much store on that second link. The (late) Kary Mullis may indeed have disapproved of using PCR to detect viruses, but he was a few pieces short of a chess set. I stopped reading when it became clear that he didn’t think AIDS was caused by the HIV virus (Hint: By effectively supressing HIV in infected individuals we have eliminated AIDS as a cause of death in the West).

There is absolutely no technical reason why PCR cannot be used to detect SARS-CoV2. There are certainly valid questions as to how sensitive it is (false negatives), and we cannot assume that someone who has tested possitive will either get sick or be infectious. However, arguing that COVID-19 is a mirage is akin to denying the moon landings or claiming the earth is flat. COVID-19 is real, just not nearly as scary as most people seem to believe.

76772 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Tim, 8, #79 of 1306 🔗

There are major questions over the validity of the testing procedures being used to determine the presence in the UK population of the putative ‘Covid19 virus’
specifically relating to the throat swab (RT-PCR test) and evidence of previous
infection using antibody tests.
The disease-causing effects of any virus are scientifically verified using Koch’s
Postulates of which four conditions must be met. Currently the virus thought to cause Covid-19 does not meet any of them.
Fulfillment of Koch’s Postulates requires that the so-called Covid-19 virus must be isolated and purified. This has not been done – therefore the accuracy of the tests authorized by Public Health England is unknown.
In summary, the tests for the Covid-19 virus are of unknown accuracy, scientific
procedures for viral isolation and purification have not been followed and neither
have any of the Koch methods for determining any disease causing effects.

76878 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tim, #80 of 1306 🔗

How did the film in the Hasselblad cameras cope with the vacuum of space, Tim ?

76720 Awkward Git, 5, #81 of 1306 🔗

Some interesting snippets on the ONS July 24th deaths info:

  • The number of deaths in care homes, hospitals and other communal establishments remained below the five-year average in Week 30, while the number of deaths in private homes continued to be higher than the five-year average (727 more deaths).

Would these be collateral lockdown deaths by any chance?

The coronavirus (COVID-19) has had a large impact on the number of deaths registered over the last few months and is the main reason for deaths increasing above what is expected (the five-year average). The disease has had a larger impact on those most vulnerable (for example, those who already suffer from a medical condition) and those at older ages. Some of these deaths would have likely occurred over the duration of the year but have occurred earlier because of COVID-19. These deaths occurring earlier than expected could contribute to a period of deaths below the five-year average.

Nice of them to admit it. Wonder if whoever sneaked that gem in will be fired?

Region name Number of deathsFive-year average DifferencePercentage above average
North West 1197 1210 -13 -1.1
Yorkshire and The Humber 817 888 -71 -8.0

 So why the localised lockdown in the North West, Yorkshire area?

76721 NickR, replying to NickR, 11, #82 of 1306 🔗

I think the arguments of Levitt & others who suggest that there won’t be a second wave where we’ve had a first wave is persuasive. There maybe a continuation of a 1st wave where the 1st wave has been frustrated, Australia, New Zealand, rural Britain. But I have this suspicion that a vaccine will be rolled out everywhere, we’ll continue to have virtually no cases & victory will be declared, regardless of whether it was the vaccine wot won it or not!

76737 ▶▶ DRW, replying to NickR, 22, #83 of 1306 🔗

I’m 90% confident Levitt, Gupta etc. are right, we’re at least close to herd immunity. But I fear a fabricated “second wave” or series of “local spikes” will be used to push for more lockdowns and authoritarian screw-turning.

76741 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to DRW, 16, #84 of 1306 🔗

I know there are some restrictions in Sweden, and I believe there was quite a lot of voluntary distancing there, at least earlier on, but isn’t Sweden basically living proof that the herd immunity threshold is MUCH lower than thought? The only slight unknown is the extent to which the summer has contributed to the virus dying out there. Other than that, it looks like there are more or less there, now.

76750 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Julian, 9, #85 of 1306 🔗

I agree about Sweden. But that’s science, as opposed to The Science (TM), frozen in March.

76904 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, 5, #86 of 1306 🔗

The virus is just hanging around, hovering in the air, waiting to swoop down on some unprotectected pedestrian.

76912 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to richard riewer, #87 of 1306 🔗


76999 ▶▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Julian, 2, #88 of 1306 🔗

Watch Belarus (never locked down) and Pakistan (had to give up because of the economic pain) too

77044 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, 1, #89 of 1306 🔗

In 2 weeks’ time the Swedish schools open for the autumn term, plus the sixth forms and universities that were closed (but did online classes instead).

I think adult ed (which moved online) is also re-opening. It will be interesting to see if any of this causes a ‘spike’…

76748 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to NickR, 8, #90 of 1306 🔗

The problem with Levitt’s approach is that is assumes the underlying data is correct. We know it’s not because:

a) the symptoms are not exact
b) the test is not specific enough or calibrated against a specific standard
c) health policy has been to err on the side of positive attribution
d) attribution is being made due to symptoms even in cases with negative tests

So before you track any virus through a population (in fact any phenomenon) make sure you are actually measuring it and it primarily. Rather than seeing the cumulative effects of noise or systematic reactions to believing there is a virus i.e. compensation effects.

I feel like Mugatu sometimes. Doesn’t anyone learn the scientific method these days

77007 ▶▶▶ Castendo, replying to mhcp, #91 of 1306 🔗

These days is more statistics… with scientific methods they could be wrong.

77259 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to mhcp, 1, #92 of 1306 🔗

Ehhhh, I think that is Levitt’s view!

76727 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #93 of 1306 🔗


I couldn’t open the link to Mike Hearn’s article in Tobys update today so posted this link for quick read. The most interesting is the description of the pseudo epidemic of whooping cough in US 2006 based upon PCR where they forgot the old fashioned culture the bacteria. This article about the pseudo outbreak could not be read behind NYT’s paywall so good quotes in his article.
The rest of Haern’s article perhaps not that brilliant. I think he is wrong as the virus has been cultured, at least in Korea, where their big study showing RNA fragments 12 weeks later was PCR positive but not infectious ,so they had cultured the virus to prove this. It’s another thing that culture has been done astonishingly rarely. There are parts of the article to agree with but not that well written or edited.

76779 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to swedenborg, 3, #94 of 1306 🔗

Wow that is interesting reading and reminds me of the recent article from NERVTAG, the new SAGE committee about the possibility that some of these spikes we are hearing about could be due to what we used to call, mass hysteria. Has anything more been heard about this?
Does anyone remember school assemblies where you had to stand for ages? One child in a row would keel over or run out of the hall and before long the entire row was feeling ill.

77500 ▶▶ Mike, replying to swedenborg, #95 of 1306 🔗

I’d be happy to take feedback on how to have written or edited it better.

I’m not aware of the Korea study you mention. Is it this one? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-19/covid-patients-testing-positive-after-recovery-aren-t-infectious

I don’t see any discussion in the Bloomberg writeup of having purified or cultured the virus. There have been a lot of claims about the failure to do this, but I’ve never looked in to the purification issue in depth. The writeup by the journalists at Off-Guardian does go into that issue though.

76734 Mark, replying to Mark, 4, #96 of 1306 🔗

A statement clearly aimed directly at Toby, from Dr Gideon Micropenis, Professor of Sociology, Gender Studies, Racial Justice, Witchcraft, Shadow Puppetry and Interpretive [sic] Dance:

The myth of censorship in academia

76743 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Mark, 2, #97 of 1306 🔗

Dr. Micropenis is my fave character 😂

78038 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Farinances, #98 of 1306 🔗

He needs a Viagra microchip.

76735 Mark, replying to Mark, 22, #99 of 1306 🔗

“So the Prime Minister has simultaneously slammed on the brakes, executed a U-turn and pressed the accelerator. No wonder the government appears to be drifting.”

Very good!

“When I think of his handling of the coronavirus crisis I picture a child behind the wheel of a racing car. He’s overwhelmed by the data constantly popping up on his dashboard, has no idea what any of it means, so just randomly presses different levers and pedals, spins the wheel as fast as he can, and hopes for the best.”

Also fine stuff!

76742 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Mark, 8, #100 of 1306 🔗

It does conjure up the most brilliant image in my head.

Well written and expressed Toby 👍

76767 ▶▶▶ AllieT, replying to ambwozere, 3, #101 of 1306 🔗

Yes love it!

76745 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Mark, 5, #102 of 1306 🔗

Nice analogy! But some of us expect there’s also some shady voices on his radio.

78043 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mark, #103 of 1306 🔗

Sounds like Destruction Car Derby. My favourite TV as a teenager growing up in Hollywood, California. Much better than Roller Derby.

76738 IanE, replying to IanE, 2, #104 of 1306 🔗

Strange first letter about Aldeburgh. I guess its writer must have been very unlucky – I visit and swim there quite often and have not observed the slightest sign of covid derangement (other than standard mask requirements in shops). Indeed, it is much more relaxed about the whole thing than most other places round here, including Southwold, which has one-way pavement signs on the main street (mostly ignored however with no consequence) along with some extremely irritating sensitives!

76807 ▶▶ annie, replying to IanE, 2, #105 of 1306 🔗

Southwold was always a bossy place.Had more notices telling you not to do things than anywhere else I know. I’m surprised they could squeeze the antisocial distancing signs in.

76739 EllGee, replying to EllGee, 4, #106 of 1306 🔗

If anybody is bored with Netflix box sets have a look at Torchwood Children of Earth or Torchwood Miracle Day on the iplayer

76794 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to EllGee, 1, #107 of 1306 🔗

The Torchwood series are excellent, Children of the Earth is the best of all, very well written, lots of real moments. Miracle Day is a sell out to the American market.

76744 Mark, replying to Mark, 10, #108 of 1306 🔗

“At one point, DiAngelo took a moment to apologize to her co-presenter. Apparently she’d interrupted her earlier, and whenever this is done by a white person to a black person, it’s a way of perpetuating racism by reinforcing traditional power relationships. It presumably didn’t matter that the two knew each other well, or that interruption is a normal part of human relationships.
In the process, DiAngelo also gave advice on the proper way to apologize to a black person. For example, it should be done unemotionally, otherwise it would place too much of a burden on the black person.”

I might feel sorry for those subjected to this kind of abusive forced ducking in concentrated idiocy, but it’s pretty clear that woke bullshit generally is the prevailing official truth of our society and so they are more likely than not to have mostly either committed to believing in it or failed to stand up for those resisting it in the past, whilst its zealots were marching through the institutions over the past few decades. So a large proportion of them basically deserve what they get.

For the minority who bear no culpability, my sympathy.

76793 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mark, 9, #109 of 1306 🔗

I was contracting for a company that tried to foist this on us contractors.

First minute we complained about the automatic assumption we were condemned racist without evidence or being able to defend ourselves.

Then we complained that no-one other than whites were in the course so the course was itself racist.

Then we asked the “dear leader” how much time and they spent living and working in Africa/Middle East/India etc cheek by jowl with locals in local conditions for months on end and how many contacts of “minorities” and they worked with.

Answer on both counts – none.

By such we all left and said if they carried on we’ll walk s we were contractors and didn’t need to listen to this idiocy.

Company backed down and we finished the contract.

Our local staff thought it was a great laugh as they could not be doing with it all anyway and just wanted to work and get money to feed their families and did not care what colour we were.

76861 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #110 of 1306 🔗

The reality is that ordinary folk just get on with the job, mostly, without much problem, until the “woke” come along and stir things up. As the old lefty Taibbi wrote in the article Toby linked demolishing this new lefty nonsense:

White priests of antiracism like DiAngelo seem universally to be more awkward and clueless around minorities than your average Trump-supporting construction worker

76747 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 23, #111 of 1306 🔗

The average age of coronavirus related deaths (even taking the obviously inflated figures at face value) is over eighty years. Average life expectancy is under eighty years.

This year there were fewer than the five yearly average deaths for the corresponding weeks until the lockdown was introduced. When the lockdown measures were eased, deaths again fell to fewer than the five yearly average for the corresponding weeks.

The clear implication of these facts is that the responses to the virus are more harmful than the virus. And this was entirely predictable. This means either those responses are a case of collective madness or the elites have an ulterior motive(s). I incline to the former explanation, but there is abundant evidence that various groups are exploiting the hysteria around the virus to promote their interests.

When there is an inquiry, it needs to examine why policies were implemented that would cause more harm than the virus. Unfortunately, I doubt that any official inquiry would even consider the question because far too many people would be implicated in what at best is unintended killing on a mass scale, the decimation of the economy, and the violation of the rights and liberties of the people to an unprecedented extent. When so many are guilty, no one is guilty.

76755 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #112 of 1306 🔗

Conspiracy or not, I think we can agree this has been a multi-purpose crisis.

76758 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 12, #113 of 1306 🔗

Very well put. I doubt we’ll see any meaningful inquiry for decades, sadly. Many are guilty, but I think there is precedent – Nuremberg. I’m not saying this is equivalent, or advocating hanging, but many were guilty but the most guilty were punished. I think you’ve got to say the Cabinet are those most responsible. As for the media and the “scientists”, they ought to be ejected from their own associations for professional misconduct, there not sure how many journalists would be left….

76770 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Julian, 8, #114 of 1306 🔗

The reference to the Nuremberg Tribunal is apposite. Julius Streicher, a journalist, was tried and found guilty of crimes against humanity on the ground that his hysterical, fear-mongering propaganda contributed to deaths on a mass scale.

76810 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #115 of 1306 🔗

Streicher was a really foul guy. But he now has some worthy rivals.

76909 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #116 of 1306 🔗

Send it to Matt Hancock. Every day. All hours of the day and night. Automatic robot.

76830 ▶▶▶ peter, replying to Julian, 6, #117 of 1306 🔗

The editors of all the national newspapers and TV channels and 95% of columnists deserve a bullet for this scam.

76952 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Julian, 6, #118 of 1306 🔗

The main players in this MUST face a reckoning. People who have instigated and perpetuated this horror-show must be brought to account for the damage they have caused.

76759 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #119 of 1306 🔗

Bulgarians speaking out yet again:


They are going to give their country a bad reputation for being far too sensible at this rate.

76762 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #120 of 1306 🔗

So true. I am personally most offended by how sensible the Dutch have been. In my former, industrial research days, I always thought we had them licked!

76771 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to IanE, 1, #121 of 1306 🔗

Maybe the Dutch are now proof of what us Brits said about them when I worked over there regularly – wooden shoes, wooden head, wouldn’t listen.

76914 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Awkward Git, #122 of 1306 🔗

I’m sure that Bulgaria is near the bottom of the EU’s favourite country list so anything they might contribute would be easily dismissed.

76760 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 5, #123 of 1306 🔗

For fans of Matt Hancock, come on, I know there are a few of you out there.


76769 ▶▶ IanE, replying to stefarm, 3, #124 of 1306 🔗

They might not enjoy that as much as most of us here though!

I particularly liked the ending on where the evidence points!

76886 ▶▶ matt, replying to stefarm, #125 of 1306 🔗


76917 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stefarm, #126 of 1306 🔗

Clap for Matt! Derisively.

76763 stefarm, 1, #127 of 1306 🔗

She’s starting to look like a zoo animal….


76765 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #129 of 1306 🔗
76773 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #130 of 1306 🔗

He will be mine.

Oh yes.

He will be mine.

76805 ▶▶ Hoppity, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #131 of 1306 🔗

Funny, I was looking at the mask my son insisted he left with me (even though I told him I wouldn’t wear it) and wondering what it reminded me of. Took me a while, but eventually realised it reminded me of a posing pouch.

76768 Mark, replying to Mark, 14, #132 of 1306 🔗

This imo should be forcibly tattooed on the foreheads of every single current MP, of every party, as a warning to any future politicians who might be tempted to follow the example of our contemptible Parliament:

The finding that the Government’s lockdown policy increased mortality in net terms is likely to be of particular interest, but is unremarkable. As noted, the lockdown rationale was not to reduce mortality in the first place, but rather, to ‘flatten the curve’. When one then considers the possibility that the policy might cause mortalities through unintended consequences, such a result is entirely plausible.

An Improved Measure of Deaths Due to COVID-19 in England and Wales posted here yesterday by Swedenborg(?)

And anyone who says “if it saves one life” in public should get the same treatment.

76774 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Mark, #133 of 1306 🔗

Clarification,I didn’t post that article

76780 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to swedenborg, #134 of 1306 🔗

Fair enough. Was just a guess on my part because I was too lazy to check.

76775 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 6, #135 of 1306 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/04/need-schools-back-pupils-parents-sake-even-means-shutting-pubs/ (paywall) but he says that he only visited the pub once last year. It’s like me stating that all football stadia should shut as it would make no difference to me.Totally unobjective article.

76777 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to arfurmo, 2, #136 of 1306 🔗

This will get messy. I quite excellent piece of divide and conquer by the government.

Most won’t notice the false dilema being offered.

76819 ▶▶▶ Hoppity, replying to Cicatriz, 7, #137 of 1306 🔗

You’re right. I work in a well-known independent school, and this false dilemma was lost even on the librarian (considered to be the brainiest person around at the moment). She expressed the view that the virus was just “one of those things”. What hope…?! I thought.

76778 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to arfurmo, 11, #138 of 1306 🔗

It’s like they’re saying only so many of the available population can be ‘active’ at any one time in any arena. Like a bloody countrywide wrestling match – tag the kids in, tag the pubs out.

Beyond ridiculous.

76791 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to arfurmo, 13, #139 of 1306 🔗

State education is that abysmal and they learn that little the kids would be better off going to the pub with their parents. They will almost certainly learn more.

They might also actually learn social skills like polite conversation and how to behave when drinking (like an old fogey like me was taught sitting in the snug of the local with the women) rather than being arses like now.

I agree with the shutting down football, not been since George best played for Hibs so no difference to me.

One thing football showed over F1 the other day though – F1 all with their team muzzles, sanctimonious weaker presenters doing social distancing and so on and was sickening to watch. Football – Hartlepool got promotion, lots of non-social distancing, good hearted fun and whole families and kids involved an all enjoying the moment.

Good to see especially as it was directly after the F1 report.

76864 ▶▶▶ cognomen, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #140 of 1306 🔗

I have been watching the F1. They are being virtue signaling arses to a man and woman. Everyone has tested negative, several times a week, or they wouldn’t be there, so why wear the masks? The number of times they touch their masks to adjust the position makes a total mockery of any protection they give.

77314 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to cognomen, 2, #141 of 1306 🔗

I have followed F1 since the days of Graham Hill, Jim Clark, Jack Brabham and Jackie Stewart, to mention a few. Since the advent of the Hybrid F1 era my enthusiasm and passion has died and might never return. Lewis Hamilton appointing himself F1’s Ambassador to Black Lives Matter has made it even worse.

76782 Neil Hartley, replying to Neil Hartley, 10, #142 of 1306 🔗

It’s amazing how the drive to greater diversity (White Fragility) is married to complete intolerance of diversity of opinion.

78047 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Neil Hartley, #143 of 1306 🔗

The perversity of diversity.

76786 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 10, #144 of 1306 🔗


“Physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis”
Funded by WHO. This is the type of hack work commissioned to get a fast result by doing a so called meta-analysis quickly to be shown for politicians.

“For the general public, evidence shows that physical distancing of more than 1 m is highly effective and that face masks are associated with protection, even in non-health-care settings, with either disposable surgical masks or reusable 12–16-layer cotton ones, although much of this evidence was on mask use within households and among contacts of cases.”
In short no evidence of use in public areas? And the evidence is anyhow not based on randomised control trials, which should be the gold standard. Then this explanation in the Table facemasks-no facemasks

“The effect was very large, and the certainty of evidence could be rated up, but we made a conservative decision not to because of some inconsistency and risk of bias; hence, although the effect is qualitatively highly certain, the precise quantitative effect is low certainty.” Which means??

I think the only sentence worth mentioning in this article is this

“No randomised trials were identified for these interventions in COVID-19, SARS, or MERS.”

We have enormous evidence now that masks don’t mitigate epidemics, in LA, Argentina, Philippines etc. so masks don’t protect you getting the infection.
But WHO and CDC have changed the goalposts quickly. We should all wear facemasks, not to protect ourselves, but protect others as we all could be asymptomatic carriers (and WHO first denied asymptomatic infection)

76796 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 13, #145 of 1306 🔗

not to protect ourselves, but protect others ” It’s the perfect cover – pretend it’s not about you but about others, meaning you can’t argue you should manage your own risk. Anyone understand how it works though? If it stops things going one way, but not the other, how can it stop anything? Has this been explained?

76821 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Julian, 5, #146 of 1306 🔗

WHO/UK/CDC naturally blurs the message. But all the fanatic peddling of face masks now is to stop the spread of the asymptomatic carriers. They can cover it up with phrases “it might give you a protection etc” but this is wrong. It has not protected the mask covered masses in the countries mentioned. There is not a shred of scientific evidence that asymptomatic carriers stop spreading with masks.
If you asked the mask carrying public why they have masks, I assume 99% would say to protect themselves. They will be surprised to know that they are carrying this altruistically to protect others. This public health fraud with mixing messages will in the end backfire.
You could argue the other way around that mask wearing would stop a beneficial asymptomatic spread of a minimal dose of virus to your fellow humans giving them a low dose and most likely asymptomatic infection, that is a natural vaccine. Of course, I cannot prove this but they cannot prove they can stop asymptomatic spread with face masks.

77272 ▶▶▶▶ Emma Townsend, replying to swedenborg, 5, #147 of 1306 🔗

I understand it’s very common for folk to mask up as a matter of courtesy in Asian countries, as well as to mitigate the effects of air pollution. So if masks are effective, why have we had a good run of Swine Flu, Bird Flu, SARS 1 and SARS 2 from that part of the world? They don’t do handshakes or kissing/hugging in social interactions much, either.

There’s a reason technicians wear specialist suits with their own air supply when working with viruses.

76827 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Julian, 6, #148 of 1306 🔗

Yes – “sacrifice yourself so that others can live” – so everyone sacrifices themselves. Cunning plan, my lord.

76847 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Julian, 12, #149 of 1306 🔗

I’ve been asking the same question and haven’t got a good answer. The mask is a two-way “street” is it not? I do not understand why the same sized particle that can get in can’t also get out. And if the virus is spread via aerosolized particles vs. droplets then the mask is even more useless. Nothing about masking passes the logic test. But of course logic left the building a long time ago. Like Julian, I have also said that the “protect others” rationale is insidious and evil. It’s the only way the psychopaths and idiots can force it on the masses.

76887 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 18, #150 of 1306 🔗

Maybe I’m a bad person (actually I am definitely a bad person) but if you said to me that I had to wear a mask everywhere for the rest of my life, otherwise let’s say one person would definitely die because of this, over the next 25 years, I might say “that’s a shame, but that’s life”. I really do think at the heart of this, beyond the lies and the twisted stats and the fact that the virus isn’t all that dangerous, relatively, is that saving lives at all costs is immoral and unnatural. We cause pollution that costs lives. It’s a tradeoff. We’ve lost the plot.

76906 ▶▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Julian, 3, #151 of 1306 🔗

Exactly. You’re not a bad person. You’re just a person with a life.

76943 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Julian, 6, #152 of 1306 🔗

If someone told you something this stupid, you wouldn’t believe them. Sadly, looking around the streets at the moment, you’d be almost alone in being able to use the sniff test.

76960 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Julian, 8, #153 of 1306 🔗

Sign me up to the bad person club! If I have a chance, I will tell any maskholes I come across that they probably killed a fair few people all the years they weren’t wearing masks during flu season. On second thought, they’ll agree and lobby for mask wearing every winter in perpetuity. Heads they win, tails we lose. I’m in a shit mood today…

76959 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Julian, 8, #154 of 1306 🔗


76970 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Two-Six, 4, #155 of 1306 🔗

It’s not working on me. Guess I had a conscience bypass!

76990 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Julian, #156 of 1306 🔗


77039 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Two-Six, #157 of 1306 🔗

This seems to be what it is *really* about – terrifying…

76814 ▶▶ annie, replying to swedenborg, 7, #158 of 1306 🔗

‘although the effect is qualitatively highly certain, the precise quantitative effect is low certainty’

Can somebidy put that into English for me?

76822 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to annie, #159 of 1306 🔗

No but I am not English

78050 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to swedenborg, #160 of 1306 🔗

Bring back Johnny Rotten!

76859 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to annie, #161 of 1306 🔗

Bollocks in other words..I think, that’s my standard reply nowadays

76860 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to annie, 5, #162 of 1306 🔗

Translated means “it’s all bullshit but hope you don’t notice as it uses lots of long words and sounds impressive plus we’ve been to university nd have a common purpose degree so yah boo sucks”.

76881 ▶▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to annie, 1, #163 of 1306 🔗

“I’m going to pontificate that it’s highly certain (for my own political ends) but there is no data to support it.”

76882 ▶▶▶▶ Neil Hartley, replying to Neil Hartley, 1, #164 of 1306 🔗

Actually I’m wrong with my translation. It should be, “ I’m going to pontificate that it’s highly certain (for my own political ends) but the data shows the opposite.”

76907 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Neil Hartley, 1, #165 of 1306 🔗

I think it means “we know it works because obviously, everyone knows it works. However, we can’t actually find any evidence that it works”

77176 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to annie, #166 of 1306 🔗

I think it means they’re sure there is an effect but not sure how much of an effect.

77304 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to annie, 1, #167 of 1306 🔗

= “We don’t really know”

76831 ▶▶ Drawde927, replying to swedenborg, 11, #168 of 1306 🔗

“Face masks are associated with protection” sounds like a VERY weasel-worded phrase.
More or less like “horseshoes are associated with good luck”! i.e. what they’re actually saying isn’t that masks offer protection, but rather that people believe they do.

76837 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Drawde927, 3, #169 of 1306 🔗


And anonymity.
And crime.

76932 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to Farinances, 4, #170 of 1306 🔗

And horror, and dystopian fiction…

76788 Squire Western, replying to Squire Western, 19, #171 of 1306 🔗

I see Professor Pantsdown (née Ferguson) has dusted off his computer to amuse us with another of his highly regarded ‘models’. Personally I’d place more faith in the predictions of Paul the Octopus whose psychic powers entertained us all during the World Cup. (Assuming he’s still around and has not long since been grilled and served with a glass of chilled white wine to a hungry tourist somewhere.)

76792 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Squire Western, 2, #172 of 1306 🔗

He sadly died but there was even a conspiracy around that. Our friends at the Graun:


76870 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Squire Western, #173 of 1306 🔗

Blackadderish ‘Prof. Cockup’ seems a better pseudonym (or Sue Denim even).

77101 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Squire Western, 1, #174 of 1306 🔗

Since Paul the Octopus is gone, I think even Mystic Meg would have more credibility than Professor Pantsdown.

77123 ▶▶ Edgar Friendly, replying to Squire Western, 1, #175 of 1306 🔗

I think Ferguson should be grilled and fed to Hannibal Lecter with a glass of nice chianti

77139 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Edgar Friendly, #176 of 1306 🔗

Professor Pantsdown will be so bad that even Hannibal Lecter won’t want him.

77143 ▶▶▶ Squire Western, replying to Edgar Friendly, #177 of 1306 🔗

Q: What is the difference between Professor Pantsdown-Ferguson and Gipsy Rose Lee?
A: Gipsy Rose Lee’s clients are credulous and working class, whilst “Prof” Ferguson’s are credulous middle-class arts graduates. The former do pay with their own money though, whilst the latter pay (through the nose) with the public purse.

76790 MDH, replying to MDH, 19, #178 of 1306 🔗

From this afternoon’s Spectator email. This picture sums up why I think the arts are finished – and deservedly so. The sector has completely caved in to the prevailing panic. Pull the plug on the lot. I despair.

76815 ▶▶ anon, replying to MDH, 5, #179 of 1306 🔗


like some sort of twisted sick programming

what on earth do these people think they are doing?!

77598 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to anon, #180 of 1306 🔗

I am an artist and am fuming at how weedy the arts sector has been. How the artists who went, sometimes through 2 world wars and continued to create, amazing art would laugh at the lily livered tossers calling themseves artists nowadays.

76828 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to MDH, 14, #181 of 1306 🔗

Telling you, the first people to break ranks and put on any sort of show without pandering to this nonsense will make a fortune and secure hero status forever.

76840 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to MDH, 13, #182 of 1306 🔗

I felt the same when I saw that today. Depressingly, a friend of mine who seems quite a sceptic when we speak and says she hates wearing a mask has just spent stupid money on 2 hand painted face masks at £35 a pop. This lady has no money so WTF? She has clearly given in to Cov-insanity as well.

76852 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to MDH, 8, #183 of 1306 🔗

We need professional musicians and concerts. It will be a scandal if the RAH has to close.

76987 ▶▶ Bob, replying to MDH, 3, #184 of 1306 🔗

I just cancelled my spectator subscription.
A few days ago beneath a daily emAil article from them saying we need a vaccine to get back to normal, was a “message from our sponsor” Facebook.

The specie has some good articles but also a lot of subservient toe the line shite.

The data is so clear it’s like accepting you are paying for a magazine that is promoting the earth is flat or the sun rises in the west.

Apart from our hosts articles, I couldnt take anymore

77002 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Bob, 9, #185 of 1306 🔗

I think that’s a shame. They have a reputation for being unashamedly far right and I’ve had people sneer at me for reading it before, but they’re not that at all. They’re very good at providing balance and though they’re right leaning, they don’t shy away from having left-leaning people write for them.

By the same token, they’ve had some of the most sceptical articles I’ve seen in print. The fact that they print articles on the other side is to be welcomed, not criticised. Personally, I don’t think we should fall into the trap of only reading things that agree with us. That way madness lies.

77313 ▶▶▶▶ Gossamer, replying to matt, 3, #186 of 1306 🔗

I agree. Dr John Lee and Lionel Shriver have been on absolutely top form.

77427 ▶▶▶ Dave, replying to Bob, 3, #187 of 1306 🔗

I agree whole heartedly about balance in the articles and they have had some great articles.
The issue I have is the data on this while shamdemic is so obvious that if you read a paper where they were in all seriousness discussing you can sail west and eventually fall off the earth you would write it off and a joke.

This is where we are now with this.

The fact that most the population still support the lunatics in charge is because of media.

This is pure political theatre now to save the Con party.

As some one who voted for BJ with enthusiasm and utterly dismayed.

77104 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to MDH, #188 of 1306 🔗

Jesus wept.

That will be the final nail in their coffin and like retail, hospitality and heritage, they deserve to die for their cowardice and inability to defend the continued existence of their sector.

76795 stewart, replying to stewart, 66, #189 of 1306 🔗

The government has spent 33 billion pounds paying furloughed workers.

Spending a fraction of that amount on shielding and improving care for the old and vulnerable would have been a far far better solution.

This crisis has been caused by a colossal failure in governance. And the useless scumbags in government are now just simply covering up their hideous incompetence by overreacting and posturing with extreme measures.

76816 ▶▶ anon, replying to stewart, 1, #190 of 1306 🔗

33 again eh?

anyone been keeping a tally?

76848 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to anon, 2, #191 of 1306 🔗

One of those magic numbers.

76876 ▶▶ NickR, replying to stewart, 10, #192 of 1306 🔗

Estimated cost ranges from £200bn to £550bn. Divide that by the number of lives saved by the lockdown & you’ll end up with a number north of £10m min per life saved. That ignores the projected 200,000 lives that in the long term will be lost due to lockdown.

76903 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to stewart, 6, #193 of 1306 🔗

Exactly this, it’s disgraceful what we’ve done to the old, and the largely lovely, low paid people who do their best to care for them.

76798 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 18, #194 of 1306 🔗

Can anyone answer these questions?…

Do the SAGE minutes – or any other minutes for that matter – evidence ANY consideration that things might not be that bad? The many, many scientific papers we read on this site – are they read and discounted? Is anyone offering anything different, or is it all one big circle jerk?

76809 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #195 of 1306 🔗

It’s one big circle jerk. It’s clear and obvious to everyone who has the courage to confront it that it’s nothing (I wouldn’t necessarily say those who believe in it are stupid, but they are too scared to consider the option that it’s all nonsense because to do so would utterly shatter their world view). The governments of the world are often incompetent, but not to this degree, which means it’s actively malicious. If this happened in the 1600s we wouldn’t even know about it because it would be too minor to have even been recorded. Therefore, the only conclusion is – there’s something more going on.

I don’t really know how far this site delves into things, and it’s quite nice to visit a site where we just discuss the lockdown and masks on a surface level, so I don’t want to go too OTT, but the agenda of it all is quite clear.

76811 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to John Galt, 1, #196 of 1306 🔗

Robert Dingwall is a member of NERVTAG, is he not? Are those meetings minuted?

76820 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Tom Blackburn, 12, #197 of 1306 🔗

From what I’ve read nothing concrete. BUT the tone right up until March 16th (and before Fergy threw his bilge into the fray) was one of measured calm. They were heavily in with all the nudge programming stuff which implies they never thought the policies would work so well- but this was BEFORE, again, they panicked and ran for the lockdown hills. So basically, they actually were counting on having to do some sort of project fear even without lockdown- but when you think about it this makes sense. No enforcement, so project fear necessary.

As it turns out, they went for enforcement in the end but ALSO project fear. It’s as if they just threw the whole book at it at once, when pre-Fergy-Italy they were only going for project fear in order to get people to voluntarily do antisocial distancing.

So basically we got the worst of both worlds.

76902 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #198 of 1306 🔗

They are now indexed and searchable on law or fiction website.

76969 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to BecJT, #199 of 1306 🔗

Thanks Bec

77018 ▶▶ Bob, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #200 of 1306 🔗

No, the sage minutes specifically advised NOT locking down. The link here is an article Toby wrote months ago

“Boris Johnson and his advisors were not following “the science” when they took the decision to lock down the country on March 23rd – they weren’t acting on any specific recommendations by SAGE.

Nor can the Government claim this is one of the options that was discussed at SAGE meetings and it was basing its decision, in part, on SAGE’s analysis of the impact of a full lockdown. That option was not discussed at any of the meetings before March 23rd. In this respect, it was a political decision.”

”SAGE advises that the measures already announced should have a significant effect, provided compliance rates are good and in line with the assumptions. Additional measures will be needed if compliance rates are low.
Minutes of the 17th SAGE meeting on COVID-19, March 18th 2020”


76800 jonathan terranova, replying to jonathan terranova, 2, #201 of 1306 🔗

Could you possible share the image I’ve posted? I cannot believe my eyes

76813 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to jonathan terranova, 2, #202 of 1306 🔗

Didn’t know churches were large enough to accommodate cars? 😂 😂

Or are you supposed to stay in your car for the service?

It’s all very bizarre.

77316 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to ambwozere, #203 of 1306 🔗

Drive-in churches exist in the U.S.A.

76817 ▶▶ annie, replying to jonathan terranova, 5, #204 of 1306 🔗

I’m afraid that no idiocy is now unbelievable when it comes to the CofE.

Christ and his saints wept.

76850 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to jonathan terranova, 9, #205 of 1306 🔗

The churches have betrayed Christianity by their useless acquiescence.

77140 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jonathan Castro, #206 of 1306 🔗

C of E maybe – a lot of others have found ways to keep going via online services, drive-in ones (think drive-in movies). Christian Concern have started a court case invoking our Magna Carta rights…

76853 ▶▶ mjr, replying to jonathan terranova, 1, #207 of 1306 🔗

i am not a religious person. But doesnt communion include eating and drinking and if so doesnt this require the removal of a mask .

76875 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to mjr, 5, #208 of 1306 🔗

You can only take bread now, no wine, wine used to come in a communal cup.
You sanitise your hands, you remove your nappy, you sanitise your hands, you take communion, you sanitise your hands, you replace your nappy, you sanitise your hands. Yes, you do.
Or, like me, you stay away and weep and pray.

76926 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to annie, 2, #209 of 1306 🔗

Is that Church of England? Free churches aren’t like that at all – in my church we have small pieces of bread (as we always had) and (non-alcoholic) wine in individual cups (again, as always). Mask wearing is up to the individual – most of us don’t. We do some social distancing – every other chair is left empty. Actually, my church is full of lockdown sceptics! Peter Hitchen’s blog sees popular…

76933 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Alice, #210 of 1306 🔗

Minchinhampton Baptist Church. So probably not. 🙂

76941 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to JohnB, #211 of 1306 🔗

I’m sorry, I couldn’t see the small print. Going to the optician in two weeks time – mask compulsory!

76996 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to Alice, 3, #212 of 1306 🔗

But mask wearing mandatory from next Sunday. So that’s me not going to church again.

76927 ▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to annie, #213 of 1306 🔗

flippin heck that’s a faff for a bit of dry wafer!! good job i never did the communion even though i went to a convent school! 🙂

77108 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to jonathan terranova, 4, #214 of 1306 🔗


At this rate you’re better off just resurrecting the DIY house churches from before Constantine’s conversion.

Perhaps this is the time for Christians (CoE, Catholic, etc) to take back control of their faith. The hierarchy have been worse than useless during this crisis.

77127 ▶▶ Edgar Friendly, replying to jonathan terranova, #215 of 1306 🔗

Can i have fries with my wafer please?

77615 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to jonathan terranova, #216 of 1306 🔗

The communon wine is taken intravenously.

76804 Tiberius, replying to Tiberius, 35, #217 of 1306 🔗

Thanks to a good friend for guiding me to this site.

76834 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Tiberius, 7, #218 of 1306 🔗


76863 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Tiberius, 4, #219 of 1306 🔗

Welcome to the sane world, good to have you here.

77049 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to ambwozere, 2, #220 of 1306 🔗

From “The Matrix”:

“welcome to the world of the Real”.

76873 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tiberius, 2, #221 of 1306 🔗

Delighted to have you! We need more emperors.

76910 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to annie, #222 of 1306 🔗

As long as they’re not the kind that fiddle while Rome burns

76891 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to Tiberius, 4, #223 of 1306 🔗

Hello! We’re a broad church, but we all agree on this. Dive in!

77036 ▶▶ Paul Mendelsohn, replying to Tiberius, #224 of 1306 🔗

Hi Tiberius; is it you I have been recommending on the Times site all this time? This place feels like home!

77114 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tiberius, #225 of 1306 🔗


76808 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 16, #226 of 1306 🔗

The Daily Mail reporting that Blair is trying to convince people that if you don’t get tested there will be a devastating 2nd Wave, the logic defeats me.

76823 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Dan Clarke, 15, #227 of 1306 🔗


Anything BLiar says, people tend to mistrust immediately.

(So much so I’m starting to think TPTB are beginning to use our hatred of him as a political tactic)

76838 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, 15, #228 of 1306 🔗

A virus so deadly that it’s afraid of being tested.

Testing seems to be fashionable among people who want to offer alternative solutions to lockdown. They never explain to my satisfaction how it would work. Months ago there was a paper in the US that concluded millions of tests a day would be needed, more or less forever, in order to properly control the virus – test everyone in frequent contact with the public DAILY and the rest of the population every couple of weeks. I think it was something like 25 million tests a day in the US, which would be maybe 5 million here. So 50 times the best we have managed. Forever. No exit strategy except a vaccine. By the time you’ve ramped up to that level, you’ve either got herd immunity or you’re all dead, depending on who you believe.

76911 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Julian, 3, #229 of 1306 🔗

I think this stems back to the period in late March where Germany and Korea were both seen to be doing exceptionally “well” in terms of death figures and the only thing in common anyone seemed to be able to find was large scale testing. Nobody seemed to be able to say _why_ this made any difference, but then – nobody seemed to be trying to anyway.

76845 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #230 of 1306 🔗

Wasn’t Blair trying to convince people that had the UK not attacked Iraq, Saddam would send his WMD to destroy the UK?

76856 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #231 of 1306 🔗

The only logic is that they need people to be tested to create the second wave themselves as the virus is unlikely to co-operate.

77716 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Biggles, #232 of 1306 🔗


76818 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 61, #233 of 1306 🔗

2020 to date

371,150 deaths

Deaths from covid with no previously diagnosed underlying health conditions.

Under 40s -37 (0.010%)
Under 60s – 304 (0.082%)

Combined it’s less than one days worth of cancer deaths

Shut the country down
Ruin the economy
Wear a damn mask

Piss off

76836 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Hubes, 5, #234 of 1306 🔗

Very good way of putting it into context.

76825 Mark B, replying to Mark B, 4, #235 of 1306 🔗

Germany is already contending with a second wave of the coronavirus …The number of daily confirmed coronavirus cases has ticked up steadily in recent weeks.

Again, this looks like it is just due to increased testing.


76844 ▶▶ Jack, replying to Mark B, 7, #236 of 1306 🔗

Hadn’t come across that website before, full of data and other exciting stuff, I wonder who funds it – should have know!

Our World in Data is supported by grants from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the Department of Health and Social Care in the United Kingdom.

76874 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jack, 5, #237 of 1306 🔗

‘Department of Health and Social Care in the United Kingdom’ – why are we giving grants to support that? Is Bill Gates controlling the UK government then?

76916 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Carrie, 6, #238 of 1306 🔗

Yep, he is.

77031 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, #239 of 1306 🔗

Actually it was a rhetorical question!

76832 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 15, #240 of 1306 🔗

Lots of bad news on the business pages today:

Pizza Express 1,100 potential redundancies
Dixons Carphone 800
DW Sports 1,700
Hays Travel 900
HSBC 35,000 (worldwide)

Will people loosing jobs wake people up and realise what is happening, or just have six months of Job Seekers Allowance and then realise we are in a mess.

76833 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Dave #KBF, 20, #241 of 1306 🔗

It’s so sad and was all so avoidable.

76851 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Dave #KBF, 21, #242 of 1306 🔗

Perhaps we shoud have a scheme where, as constituency unemployment rises, the MP has their salary reduced and is eventually sacked. Just a thought.

78059 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sam Vimes, #243 of 1306 🔗

Unemployment numbers go up, Ministers salaries go down.

76962 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Dave #KBF, 6, #244 of 1306 🔗

The worst thing is that if the government keep peddling the fear and smothering us with lies, some people may never wake up and just attribute all of this to ‘the pandemic’ rather than the government’s botched overreaction to it.

77117 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 5, #245 of 1306 🔗

Unfortunately you still have people who believe that it was the virus and nothing to do with lockdown, antisocial distancing and mandatory muzzling.

76835 RDawg, replying to RDawg, 49, #246 of 1306 🔗

I went inside the shop to pay for my petrol at a large Sainsbury’s. Despite wearing no mask, the sales assistant said, “You’ll need to wear a mask next time.”
I replied, “I can’t wear one.”
She said, “Oh ok, well that’s alright then if you are exempt.”
I said, “So where’s your mask then?”
She said, “I don’t need one because the screen protects me.” (Despite the gaping holes to pass payment through.)

Why do I have to mentally prepare myself every time I go into a shop, for this nonsense?

76849 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to RDawg, 19, #247 of 1306 🔗

They don’t even know that the law exempts them, full stop, as employees; it’s nothing to do with plastic screens. Funny how they work there and don’t know, but we do.

76855 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to RDawg, 20, #248 of 1306 🔗

Surely if the plastic screen is protecting her it’s protecting you as well or is it a magic 1 way screen???

I popped out for some supplies earlier 90% maskage, children as well.

The way I feel at the moment if anybody questions me or looks at me like some germ infested turd again I’m going to go off on one.

76919 ▶▶ matt, replying to RDawg, 28, #249 of 1306 🔗

“I can’t wear one” is my go to phrase. I’m not lying. I can’t wear a mask because I have a brain and principles.

76939 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to matt, 3, #250 of 1306 🔗

Might start using this. Not a lie.

76950 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to matt, 3, #251 of 1306 🔗

I follow the science, and the law.

77020 ▶▶▶ Steve, replying to matt, 3, #252 of 1306 🔗

Sounds like wearing one would cause you anxiety and distress. Virtually everyone is exempt when you think about it…

77030 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Steve, 1, #253 of 1306 🔗

Oh, there’s that, plus the fact that I’m asthmatic (very mildly, but I dare you to ask me for my medical history).

Can’t will do for me. Accompanied with a set jaw.

77032 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kathryn, replying to matt, 2, #254 of 1306 🔗

I feel like saying I can’t wear one, I have a disability (with respect to those that do) – it’s called too much common sense

77326 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RDawg, 1, #255 of 1306 🔗

She’s just doing her job, like asking if you’ve got a store card each and every time you visit.

76841 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #256 of 1306 🔗

Do we have any thoughts on this:


Now, I know ‘leading scientists’ have been profiting from their state-funded positions by carving out the IP into a public-private venture for some time now. A few made so much money in the early days of Biotech they went offshore. But, in the current environment, the obvious conflict of interest(s) in this one need some scrutiny, surely?

76893 ▶▶ hotrod, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #257 of 1306 🔗

It’s almost as if some people have been preparing for this.

I wonder who in government stands to profit.

Surprised it’s taken the Daily Mail to uncover this.

Unless it’s following the lead of Littlejohn and starting to question.

Comments on that Littlejohn article suggest the masses are not happy.

But the Gilbert the story and her squeaky clean interview on Andrew Marr, hmmmm I wonder.

76977 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to hotrod, 1, #258 of 1306 🔗

Agree. Two phrases always come to mind – cherchez la femme, and follow the money. Here you get two for the price of one! That said, I think there has been so much PR over the last couple of weeks, I suspect the phase III trials are not going that well. Good!

77010 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #259 of 1306 🔗

Interestingly though it says they only get to clean up after the WHO says it’s transitioned from “pandemic” to “endemic”. Before that point they sell the vaccine at cost. This seems like an encouraging incentive.

76842 Tiberius, 12, #260 of 1306 🔗

Who remembers the TV ad where aliens laughed as they watched humans beaver away at making mashed potato rather than use Smash?

I bet they have split their mechanical sides over this.

76843 davews, 4, #261 of 1306 🔗

One of the sites that kept coming up when searching for mask exemption lanyards was https://www.keepsafe.org.uk/ which had some of the exemption cards Toby showed on the front page. You will see that this site has now closed, there is an explanation as to why, but I wonder if it was actually closed due to pressure from the mask zealots or our ‘friends’ at masks4all? If my suspicions are true this sounds a move in the wrong direction.

76854 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #262 of 1306 🔗

Found this on the World Bank website from 2010. It’s about the psychology behind getting people to take more loans etc, the chapter on health sound familiar in today’s context of getting people to do it as it’s socially acceptable and so on.

World Bank Document

76866 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #263 of 1306 🔗

I posted just after you Awkward, I am coming to think this current pandemic is about changing world banking systems.

I believe people are getting wise to the being in debt life style, and our controllers have to do something about it.

This from the world banks tells us what we need to know.

Keep them in the financial debt.

76945 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Dave #KBF, #264 of 1306 🔗

Yep and look at the small print on equity release schemes.

Basically drop dead or go into care and they get your property for a fraction of it’s value or your inheritors have to pay the loan plus compound interest off so win win for the financial people.

And who has these equity release schemes? The ones most likely to drop dead from the virus.

76877 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #265 of 1306 🔗

If a well-known person has a disease, the public might think more seriously

Ha, gotcha Boris, Tom hanks, Idris Elba….

76857 Lisa from Toronto, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 14, #266 of 1306 🔗

Very depressing. One of our national newspapers reports that 7 out of 10 Canadians are in favour of another lockdown if there’s a “second wave”. We Canadians are definitely at the front of the sheeple parade. At least a fair few commenters suggested the question be asked a different way: Are you in favour of another lockdown if the government support benefits end? Our economy is still on life support, so perhaps when we awaken from the coma the tide will turn, but even then I’m not so sure given the number of government employees and people who (for now) have safe jobs and can work from home. We’re in for a world of pain.

76865 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 9, #267 of 1306 🔗

We Canadians are definitely at the front of the sheeple parade . “

No personal disrespect intended, of course, but I don’t think that will surprise anybody. You did elect Justin Trudeau’s party, after all.

Mind you, I am very conscious of the glass houses and stones aspect for any Brit criticising any other county’s governance or politics, these days…

76901 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Mark, 3, #268 of 1306 🔗

The Conservatives did win the popular vote! Not that it means much since other countries’ conservative parties have bungled this mess equally badly. In a parallel universe I’d like to see how our Conservative Party would have handled things, but based on Ontario’s Conservative premier (or should I say dictator), I’m not convinced things would have unfolded much differently. Speaking of parallel universes, I wish I were living in one right now (though I’d settle for the pre-2020 universe).

76858 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 7, #269 of 1306 🔗

Is the current situation about global restructuring of the banking & finance system? Are we being miss directed looking at the virus and all the *rap it has brought us, “I do not want a vaccine” when in reality world wide financial systems are really going to be changed, under cover of the pandemic?

We are told that billions are being spent protecting jobs, billions are being spent on getting health care ready to fight a virus which doesn’t really need the financial support. No doubt next we will be told billions are to be spent creating new jobs. Will the financial mess we end up in as individual countries sorting out at a world wide level?

The current system relies upon people being in debt to the banks, but I have noticed, particularly since the 2007/8 sub prime failure, that people in my age group (late 50s) have put effort into reducing their debt to the banks. Remember when Northern Rock was offering 125% mortgages?

Generally younger people cannot afford to buy their own homes, unless they can get a leg up on to the mortgage ladder. Individual home ownership is dropping, I think young people are realising that zero hours contracts and 40 year mortgages are a bad mix, so are deciding to live a different life style.

Our entire financial system is built on ever increasing demand, I think people have got wise to this, even Apple cannot sell iPhones in the volumes they could a few years ago, yes some either have the disposable income to buy a next xyz each year.

76862 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #270 of 1306 🔗

Remember when Northern Rock was offering 125% mortgages?

I had 1 of them

77230 ▶▶ Shep, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #271 of 1306 🔗


77312 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #272 of 1306 🔗

The push could be towards Smart Cities, move everyone out of the countryside (which would be designated for forest and wildlife (got to be carbon neutral), and house everyone in cities. Then everything you use housing, transport, energy, internet, phones, entertainment would be subscription based. You pay for your entire life and no one has any possessions.

76867 IMoz, replying to IMoz, 24, #273 of 1306 🔗

How do you know that masks are a scam? “Eat Out to Help Out!”

Either masks make no difference, or the government is sending people to be deliberately infected by prolonged mask-less exposure in restaurants.

76871 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to IMoz, 2, #274 of 1306 🔗

Good point!

77021 ▶▶ Steve, replying to IMoz, 11, #275 of 1306 🔗

How do you know that masks are a scam?

Well the disclaimer on the packets saying not for ppe or medical purposes was a big hint…

77033 ▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Steve, 4, #276 of 1306 🔗

but that involves people reading the box—hardly anyone does 😉

77111 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve, 3, #277 of 1306 🔗

…and that the mask confers no personal protection.

76868 EssieSW, replying to EssieSW, 30, #278 of 1306 🔗

Hilarious/depressing scene depending on how you look at it witnessed on Cheltenham high street moments ago.
A couple in their early 30’s I would say walking up the street when a gust of wind blew this woman’s face mask out of her hand (one of the flimsy single use blue ones) where it rolled over the pavement a few times before he boyfriend picked it up. She took it from him, flapped it around a bit as if to shake of the germs and general grime of a high street pavement and carried on towards her destinstion of John Lewis. She didn’t have another mask with her apparently as she proceeded to put the mask on her face and enter the store.
She put it on her face.
After it had been on the pavement.
There are no words.

76974 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to EssieSW, 7, #279 of 1306 🔗

The 3 second rule clearly works. I’m living proof.

76981 ▶▶ Castendo, replying to EssieSW, 4, #280 of 1306 🔗

Like, no one saw that comming!!

The whole muzzle scene is gross and unhealthy…

77000 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to EssieSW, 6, #281 of 1306 🔗

I raise you Bath Road, yesterday: somewhat giggly (euphemism) woman digs into her handbag for a mask, drops it then stamps on it to prevent it blowing away. Then puts it in to go into Sainsbury’s

77425 ▶▶▶ EssieSW, replying to Strange Days, #282 of 1306 🔗

You win!
Also glad to know there is someone else in the area who is a fellow sceptic 🙂

77141 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to EssieSW, 4, #283 of 1306 🔗

I’ve seen people reuse masks that are clearly meant to be only single use and those who seem to never wash their cloth ones. I think they’re really setting themselves up for problems.

And that’s even before the constant touching and fiddling.

77144 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #284 of 1306 🔗

If incubation time is 2 weeks, we should shortly be seeing a load of infections and lung illness from mask-wearing, no? Especially among hospital workers, who are wearing them for longer periods…

77266 ▶▶ NickR, replying to EssieSW, 5, #285 of 1306 🔗

Just out biking with some mates, one guy was running yesterday, passed a masked woman on a 4m wide road who screamed “don’t pant!” at him as he trotted by! What fresh hell is this?

76872 Wickwar Bob, replying to Wickwar Bob, 6, #286 of 1306 🔗

Just read the Mike Hearn blog post listed in today’s round-up. Certainly is a must read.
Could the mystery of the asyptomatics merely be down to innacurate PCR tests which are producing loads of false positives, rather than due to immunity acquired from previous coronavirus infections? And if the tests are as inaccurate as the piece suggests, perhaps even symptomatic people actually had something else, including those who went on to die.

This needs to be studied urgently or we’ll be locked up (or down) for ever more.

76889 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Wickwar Bob, 1, #287 of 1306 🔗

The advantage pre-existing immunity has over false positives it that it can explain the death spikes as well, and fits the overall data very well, and it is a plausible hypothesis anyway based on the fact that this is a member of a class of viruses our bodies are familiar with, not something completely alien. Seems to me to be the best option at the moment.

Which isn’t of course to say that the false positives isn’t a huge issue as well – the two aren’t mutually exclusive.

76936 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Mark, 3, #288 of 1306 🔗

The false positives weren’t useful a couple of months ago when people were dying in numbers, because clearly something was happening. They’re increasingly useful now, when we have a now-endemic virus coming up against herd immunity and false positives are likely to be exaggerating a continuously tiny number of infections.

76949 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Wickwar Bob, 2, #289 of 1306 🔗

The ONS actually reckon the asymptomatic ratio is not changing on their PCR based household survey and give this as a reason to believe their specificity is high.

I’m not sure what the asymptomatic ratio is of the Pillar 2 tests and will go and read that article in a minute.

One question is why are the ONS finding 0.05% positive and Pillar 2 ten times that? Pillar 2 may have a bit more selection bias but it seems likely that the ONS test has a specificity of 99.95% or better and the Pillar 2 test is around 99.5%.

The Pillar 2 tests are done by private companies using their own test kits I think. The impression I’m getting is the ONS know what they’re doing. The Pillar 2 lot less so.

76879 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 12, #290 of 1306 🔗

Great to see the death rate under the average for the 6th week, sure that will be all over the BBC and Sky as per normal!!! Not!!!
Latest level of muppetry. Walking to catch my train in the Covid hotspot of Cornwall – not that it is and we are still waiting for the first wave let alone a second wave! Couple masked up waiting to cross a very busy road at the pelican crossing. Now this is a crossing that turns red the second you press the button. No sign of the cars stopping when I was 50 yards away (are you allowed to even say yards these days or is that abolished in Boris’s wonderland, maybe I should say metres instead). Get to the crossing, they haven’t pressed the button, I can only assume as the button in their minds is swarming with Covid!!!
Made me lol that we have come to this. Wear a mask, touch nothing and you’ll live a sh*tty life until your 100 !!!!

76883 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to John Ballard, 4, #291 of 1306 🔗

I was once working in a pub once when a kid came in (the YTS lad) and said his boss and sent him for a “long weight”. We told him to take a seat 🙂

76900 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to BecJT, 1, #292 of 1306 🔗

I prefer a reach around

76928 ▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to stefarm, 4, #293 of 1306 🔗

What about sending an apprentice to the stores to get some sparks for the grinding machine.

77453 ▶▶▶ Alec in France, replying to BecJT, #294 of 1306 🔗

In the lab where I worked years ago, the equivalent was “go to the stores for a long stand”.

76920 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to John Ballard, 1, #295 of 1306 🔗
76944 ▶▶▶ John Ballard, replying to arfurmo, 3, #296 of 1306 🔗

No I am a terrified local scared to death of the buffoon and his half cocked mate

76922 ▶▶ annie, replying to John Ballard, 2, #297 of 1306 🔗

Fail to touch the ‘stop traffic’ button and your life may be exceedingly short.

76971 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to John Ballard, 1, #298 of 1306 🔗

If one of them died of something else during all this I wonder if they’d be saying what a relief that it wasn’t COVID.

77273 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to John Ballard, #299 of 1306 🔗

Road signs in Britain are governed by the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 (TSRGD). The present legal position is that metric units are not permitted on distance signs, whether by themselves or in conjunction with imperial units; distances must be in miles and yards, only. http://bwma.org.uk/

What is a metre anyhow – about a mile and a half ?

76890 Mike Collins, replying to Mike Collins, 5, #300 of 1306 🔗

I wrote to the Dept of Health via the chief bedwetters desk (Hancock) asking for a breakdown of the number of deaths that had been reported by PHE within 21 days of a positive test, between 21-28 days and over 28 days. What I got back, at best can be described as an ar5e covering bluffers reply. I genuinely did not ask for an explanation of the reporting process. I requested the info in the public interest as it is now more than 14 days since this Government implemented an ‘urgent’ review of the PHE data. I smell a rat…… Anybody else getting a similar brush off? I aim to tell Toni that the reply was not ‘helpful’.

Our ref: DE-1243380
Dear Mr Collins,

Thank you for your correspondence of 26 July about the novel coronavirus (COVID-19). I have been asked to reply.
Deaths reported by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) are based on the causes of death recorded on death certificates. These can include cases where the doctor thought it likely that the person had COVID-19, even when there was no positive test result.
The deaths reported by ONS will include deaths that are not included in the Public Health England (PHE) definition, because they had no positive test result confirmed by a PHE or NHS laboratory. They may also exclude cases that are included in the PHE definition because, although the patient had a positive test for COVID-19, this was not mentioned on the death certificate. However, in general, the numbers of deaths reported by ONS will be larger than those included in the PHE definition. More information on the PHE definition can be found at http://www.gov.uk by searching for ‘COVID-19: investigation and initial clinical management of possible cases’.
All the deaths data shown on coronavirus.data.gov.uk are for people who have had a positive test result confirmed by a Public Health or NHS laboratory. They also include, for England, deaths of people who have had a positive test result confirmed through testing done by commercial partners.
The data does not include deaths of people who had COVID-19 but had not been tested, people who tested positive only via a non-NHS or Public Health laboratory, or people who had tested negative and subsequently caught the virus and died. Deaths of people who have tested positive for COVID-19 could, in some cases, be due to a different cause.
Data on COVID-19 deaths in England are produced by PHE. These data are taken from three different sources:

  • NHS England: deaths are reported by NHS trusts, using the COVID-19 Patient Notification System (CPNS) (this only includes deaths in hospitals);
  • PHE Health Protection Teams: the local teams report deaths notified to them (mainly deaths not in hospitals);
  • linking data on confirmed positive cases (identified through testing by NHS and PHE laboratories and commercial partners) to the NHS Demographic Batch Service: when a patient dies, the NHS central register of patients is notified (this is not limited to deaths in hospitals). The list of all lab-confirmed cases is checked against the NHS central register each day, to check if any of the patients have died.

Data on deaths from these three sources are linked to the list of people who have had a diagnosis of COVID-19 confirmed by a PHE or NHS laboratory. This is to identify as many people with a confirmed case who have died as possible.
Deaths will often appear in two or three different sources, so the records are checked and merged into one database and duplicates are removed so there is no double counting. Automated processes are used to ensure that the data are as complete as possible. Full details of the process of producing the data are available on GOV.UK.
The final list of deaths includes all deaths previously reported by NHS England, and other deaths of patients who were confirmed cases, whether they died in hospital or elsewhere.
I hope this reply is helpful.
Yours sincerely,

Toni Peters
Ministerial Correspondence and Public Enquiries
Department of Health and Social Care

76894 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Mike Collins, 9, #301 of 1306 🔗

They are fiddling this shit to kingdom come. And they know it.

76961 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Farinances, 2, #302 of 1306 🔗

So many vague terms that even to sit down and comprehend Toni Peters supposed system is pointless. ‘Can include’, ‘may’, ‘not limited to’, and so on. It is not actually possible to gain a correct understanding of anthing. Toni Peters deserves an investigation in my opinion, a henchman to a deliberate cover-up?

And that is before getting onto the point that you did not ask for such a reply, indeed asking for specific finite data.

It’s an odd kind of professional that pukes out that kind of extended junk. Is it worthwhile asking her how she feels she has answered your original request.

76892 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #303 of 1306 🔗

Loved the Sheeple Face Nappy. Will try and make one.

77778 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to richard riewer, #304 of 1306 🔗

I like it too but you won’t catch me wearing one! 🙂

76895 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #305 of 1306 🔗

Whatever happened to the dancing nhs clap-outs? A patient filmed supposedly leaving hospital. Corridor lined with clapping pyjama wearing nhs staff – always an extraordinary number of staff. They were all the ragee, but where did they go? Has it been judged the public no longer respond favourably to that repeated senario? Or perhaps I have just lucky to not have encountered a clap-out recently.

76897 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Basics, 6, #306 of 1306 🔗

That, and they don’t want people to keep seeing how empty the hospitals are.

76896 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #307 of 1306 🔗

Earlier reported about the remote Faraoe Islands which have had bad luck. There has been no domestic transmission since 22nd April. Then last week a Russian trawler and a Lithuanian trawler arrived with about 40 infected. Two admitted to hospital but others asymptomatic and isolated strict at the harbour and 4 in a hotel. The Chief Health Officer said effective quarantine of crew although there was reported some wandering Russian sailors around town. Everything seemed to be under control and the Authorities gave permission to the big yearly feast outside Parliament. But today reported 3 domestic cases two on the islands and one who had arrived in Copenhagen all infected with Covid-19 and all associated with the celebrations. Posted here just to show how difficult to protect even tiny isolated islands. Faroe Islands have an excellent health care system and have already tested 85% of the population. But the virus doesn’t care.

76908 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to swedenborg, 6, #308 of 1306 🔗

But is it any different with New Zealand? Let’s suppose St Jacinda has not a single virus on the islands. How does she keep it that way? Ban all travel?

76918 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to arfurmo, 7, #309 of 1306 🔗

Ferocious quarantine for incomers, prison if you break it.
Tourist industry stone dead.

76951 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to annie, 3, #310 of 1306 🔗

And life for any NZers who want to visit relatives or friends anywhere, difficult, ditto for those who wish to receive such visits.

76921 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to arfurmo, 3, #311 of 1306 🔗

NZ friend said they had an emergency the other night, 5 in quarantine ‘escaped’, spotted by ‘guards’, running away, big ‘man hunt’, ‘captured’, appearing in court next day. Might be lenient sentence as they were there for a funeral, although people were frowning at the thought of them escaping ‘justice’

77107 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #312 of 1306 🔗

And NZers used to be nice people. Now they’re psychotic witch hunters. The antipodean Salem.

77137 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to annie, #313 of 1306 🔗

Has that just happened since Jacinda Ardern?

77161 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #314 of 1306 🔗

It’s only a matter of time before somebody is killed trying to run away and the Twitterati will be saying they deserved it.

76938 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to arfurmo, 4, #315 of 1306 🔗

In theory quarantine everyone coming in for two weeks and you should be OK.

But is NZ really 100% Covid-free? Probably not. It’s more likely a small number of people have it. It could either die out if they’re lucky or flare up one day.

77215 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to guy153, #316 of 1306 🔗

That assumes you know about everyone coming in. Granted NZ is a lot more remote than we are, but do they really have zero undocumented entries? Also assumes nobody pays a bribe to skip quarantine etc.

77223 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Mark, #317 of 1306 🔗

And I’m sure politicians, special advisers etc. won’t bother with the quarantine. As everyone knows these people are above the law 🙂

But yes these are all reasons why containment and isolation are very hard.

76976 ▶▶ Castendo, replying to swedenborg, 2, #318 of 1306 🔗

In Madeira Island muzzles are mandatory in every public places, indoors or outdoors.
Tough time to live in Islands nowadays…

77118 ▶▶▶ jrsm, replying to Castendo, #319 of 1306 🔗

And in the Azores you have to take two Covid tests before you go. They must fear you will infect the cows.

76913 Mike Collins, 2, #320 of 1306 🔗

And we wonder why Professor Van Tan has disappeared off our screens. You have to hope that somebody, somewhere is archiving all of this for the public enquiry.

Watch the Prof make Hancock, Johnson, Whitty and Vallance look like ar5eholes with their ‘Masks are the answer’ approach.


76924 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #321 of 1306 🔗

A few months ago this would have looked like science fiction, now?


77028 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dave #KBF, #322 of 1306 🔗

I feel sick… this is what I have been most fearful of…

77051 ▶▶ Castendo, replying to Dave #KBF, -1, #323 of 1306 🔗

Remembers me the movie Logan’s run.

77074 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Castendo, 3, #324 of 1306 🔗

The worst thing is that I cannot see how we are going to stop it… As the film says, they are going to offer ‘normality’ only if you take the vaccine. And we can see that they are already starting the marketing for this with the ‘get tested so life can return to normal’ ads…

To be honest I don’t think the government care whether or not people are complying, what the infection/death stats are – the virus is merely a means to an end. And the current part of this plan is about wearing people down and driving them to desperation, where they will do *anything* to (in theory) ‘get their lives back’…

The next stage will be selling the vaccine under the banner of ‘do this and life will return to normal’, once they have ‘ground’ people down enough.

Except life won’t be ‘normal’ as we knew it. Refuse the vaccine and you will have to be masked instead – meaning you will stand out and be seen as a rebel, and the social and financial consequences will be such that you will have no life at all….Jewish yellow stars all over again..

What do we do?

78498 ▶▶▶▶ Castendo, replying to Carrie, #325 of 1306 🔗

The bad guys are human too, they probably get it wrong some way somewhere…

If it helps you can listen a Tom Petty song like: I won’t back down.

77217 ▶▶▶ Shep, replying to Castendo, #326 of 1306 🔗

Reminds me of it too.

77250 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Dave #KBF, #327 of 1306 🔗

Did think the beast system was in play as soon as I saw the Agenda21 & ID 2020 sites. I didn’t renew my passport as I don’t think I’ll ever be allowed out of the country again. I’ve also given up watching football as I doubt I’ll be allowed back in a stadium either.

We are seriously outnumbered at the moment. I’m not convinced any politician or newspaper is going to join us either. Dark times indeed.

76934 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 42, #328 of 1306 🔗

Just put on the Daily fail’s comments defending that woman who was shouted at by a muzzled moron:

“Bad laws should be fought. This is a bad law and is only for controlling you, nothing else. Remember the Nuremberg Defence – I was just following orders – is not accepted as a legal defence. For evil to triumph all it takes off for good to do nothing. Be a sheeple and rollover and be controlled by the Government and their agenda. Good for her.”

Got to stick up for other rebels against the sheeple.

76942 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #329 of 1306 🔗

OOOOH, 20 down votes in 30 seconds – sheeple, trolls and 77th out in force today.

She doesn’t have much support and those who do are all getting down votes.

76948 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #330 of 1306 🔗

The argument is… overblown, but absolutely right. I’ve never broken the law before but will not wear a mask because it’s my moral duty to resist an unjust law.

Your 20 downvotes are coming from people who haven’t made the leap out of the mindset that all laws are just and the officers of the law are sacrosanct. Yet.

76955 ▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #331 of 1306 🔗

Remember the lurkers!

76947 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #332 of 1306 🔗

“No one has the right to obey.”
Hannah Arendt

76940 Edward, replying to Edward, 10, #333 of 1306 🔗

As anti-maskers one of our arguments is that masks damage human communication. Some people on this site have said that they like to smile at mask wearers to show them what they’re missing. The approach can be extended according to circumstances. A friendly smile is suitable for an apprehensive little old lady in the supermarket. When passing a virtue-signalling outdoor mask wearer, show your contempt by raised eyes and pursed lips. Today I aimed a sustained scowl at a masked monitor at the entrance to a Sainsbury’s Local. Mind you, I was on the other side of the road so he probably didn’t notice.

On a more serious note, today’s Round-Up includes the attack on a Melbourne police officer by an anti-masker. My instincts and upbringing tell me that those who attack police are usually bad people, but now I find my sympathies are split. If officers are enforcing oppressive laws they are complicit in the oppression and arguably deserve whatever comes their way. “I was only obeying orders” ceased to be a valid defence in 1945. (Sorry to mention the Nazis again, but parallels keep coming up.) An officer has the option to resign if they don’t want to be agents of an oppressive state.


77213 ▶▶ Shep, replying to Edward, #334 of 1306 🔗

UK just recruited twenty k rookies.

76946 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 6, #335 of 1306 🔗

I can help the person who wanted information about the specificity of the PCR test.
The PCR test developed by Drosten and used most often in Germany&co has been established to have a 98.6% specificity by INSTAND and the labs participating in their trial.
Others argue that it has a much lower specificity and much higher false results rate, but this is the closest to an official and as such likely minimum rate/maximum specificity.

Which means that if the virus was completely eradicated, we’d still see 1400 new positive cases per 100.000 tests!
Which is exactly the current case in Germany, CH, Austria, LUX etc….
(False negatives at the same %age rate are irrelevant/impossible in such a situation, they would be relevant in situations where infection levels are high/at the beginning of a pandemic.)

76982 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #336 of 1306 🔗

My understanding is that; A PCR test can tell you whether someone has recently caught the disease, but it can’t distinguish between the live replicating virus and non-infectious viral debris. Thus you can still get a +ve result months after your body has fought off the virus as a result of post infection RNA fragments still being in your blood. Any views on that issue?

77005 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #337 of 1306 🔗

My view is that it is rather too ‘useful’ to the government for my liking!

77017 ▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #338 of 1306 🔗

Not quite: all a PCR test can do is tell you whether what you’re looking for in the nucleic acid sequence is present or not.

As for positive results later on: look up half-life of epithelial cells 😉

77271 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #339 of 1306 🔗

A careworker in our community has tested postive three times – once when the care home was being tested for a big outbreak back in April and probably then, she did have the virus. Then again at the end of May (I think) and again in June. I think that may indicated the test picking up positive results after the virus is gone. But I think the ‘powers that be’ insisted that she and her family quarantined each time – just in case !!!

76953 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 13, #340 of 1306 🔗

Interesting article about the MD of Kuoni calling for support for the travel industry:


Posting on Twitter, he said: “I bought a Starbucks coffee this morning and was surprised to get it half price. @rishisunak kindly used £1.45 of taxpayers’ money to give me a discount I wasn’t expecting and didn’t need. There are nearly 1,000 Starbucks in the UK, each I guess selling about 200 coffees a day. That’s 200,000 coffees at £1.45 each so £290k discount per day. Let’s call that £2million a week.”

He continued: “£2 million per week on coffees for people who were probably going to buy a coffee anyway and who weren’t expecting to get it cheap. Like me.”

When you look at it like that, the numbers suddenly get very big, very quickly.

76954 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 2, #341 of 1306 🔗

His figures maybe wrong though as the scheme only runs Monday – Wednesday I think but just for Starbucks, that would equate to nearly £900K a week.

76957 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Sarigan, 4, #342 of 1306 🔗

I’m just glad we’re all able to do our bit by putting our taxes to good uselessness.

76968 ▶▶ matt, replying to Sarigan, 9, #343 of 1306 🔗

I’m on holiday at the moment with my family (2 adults + 2 children), my mother (+ 1 adult) and two of my/my wife’s university friends (+ 2 adults).

We all went for a very nice pub lunch today. Adults had 1 or two courses each (5 mains + 2 puddings); kids had 3 courses. Everyone had drinks – pint of beer, pint of cider, half of cider, rest were softs.

The bill?


Now, 2 things:
1) I worked out the accounting trick that the pub was using to reduce the bill that low – and it was much lower than it should have been, even including the discount – in about 5 minutes. Whether they can get away with charging all of the difference back to the treasury or not, I don’t know. I hope they can, because they’re a good business who have been shafted in the last few months and deserve to be able to stay afloat
2) I’m aware I’m going to be paying for this, one way or another, for the rest of my life

But… £57 for lunch for 7? It’s not normal.

77058 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to matt, 4, #344 of 1306 🔗

That just depresses me. Even if they are fiddling the exchequer (hope they are!) they’re prob still fucked.

77054 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sarigan, #345 of 1306 🔗

Offlands, does Mason Mills have anything of interest/comfort to say about anything that is happening right now? All his cheap subscriptions have been taken 🙁

77520 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Carrie, #346 of 1306 🔗

If you follow this person on Twitter, he does take screenshots of Mason Mills’s Patreon account:


76956 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #347 of 1306 🔗

Major expolosion in Beirut today. Sky News bringing the pandemic into it with every second sentence.

Imagine having to deal with this AND a virus.

76966 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #348 of 1306 🔗

Just seen the video of it on TV, looked more like a battlefield nuke than a normal explosion.

77093 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #349 of 1306 🔗

Yes; there’s a rumour that one of the big explosions in Syria was a mini-nuke (bought from the ones that the South African ex-government dismantled). I looked at the explosion very carefully, and it’s quite suspicious. I go to a website which analyses big explosions and earthquakes to see if they are the correct seismic signature for a nuclear weapon. This will be interesting. Poor people.

77159 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to RichardJames, 1, #350 of 1306 🔗

There was definitely a mushroom cloud. My initial observation was that it looked like a mini nuke. Shockwave was massive.

77208 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nobody2020, #351 of 1306 🔗

Haven’t seen the news, but a very big bang is a lot more likely to be a fuel air explosive than a mini-nuke.

76963 BecJT, replying to BecJT, 5, #353 of 1306 🔗
76967 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to BecJT, 3, #354 of 1306 🔗

Doesn’t this mean they should demolish all the hospitals and care homes?

76993 ▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to Farinances, 5, #355 of 1306 🔗

The thought did cross my mind, with the NHS managers still in them, hopefully.

77008 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to BecJT, 3, #356 of 1306 🔗

It is Parliament that appeals most to me!

77016 ▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to IanE, 2, #357 of 1306 🔗

Well structurally it is in bad shape. Maybe we could give it a big push?

76973 ▶▶ Basics, replying to BecJT, 3, #358 of 1306 🔗

Thats the way cement tge fear with a building destruction. Same think happened to the Skripal house, which the Austrians recently discovered was pointless. Are they taking the rubble to the Fresh Kills land fill site.

76997 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to BecJT, #359 of 1306 🔗

If your (secret) aim is to close businesses and shops in order to build homes for the newcomers who have (and are continuing to) enter the UK using the migrant taxi service, what easier way to ‘justify’ the demolitions necessary?

77023 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to BecJT, 6, #360 of 1306 🔗

Maybe the President of Tanzania sent off a sample of brick dust and it tested positive?

77024 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BecJT, 9, #361 of 1306 🔗

It would certainly help with the build build build project – and there are going to be a lot of unused buildings hanging around emberrassingly in the near future.

Would the insurance companies have to cough up, or has DishyRishi found another forest?

To be fair, the story is about as credible as the over 50s nonsense this weekend. All smokescreens and red herrings.

I suspect this DT comment says it all:

How could it be true that government would enact the power to demolish buildings and destroy vehicles to prevent the spread of Sars-cov-2 when all that is needed to bring the end of the virus on a surface is to close the building for 72 hours? WE KNOW THIS. It is people that spread the virus NOT buildings and conveyances.

This article is either a load of old click bait bull, or the government has gone stark raving mad.

I think the Telegraph writer has lost his mind. We’ve seen a lot of bull being published here lately.

I am thinking of cancelling my subscription because of it.

77034 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #362 of 1306 🔗

My money’s on stark raving mad.

77157 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to BecJT, 5, #363 of 1306 🔗

Flatten the curve has morphed into flatten the towns and cities lol

76964 PowerCorrupts, 1, #364 of 1306 🔗

HELP! Legal challenge to introduction of Gates’ dystopic tracking/control ‘Health Passport still needs more donations with only 5 days to go:


76972 richard riewer, #365 of 1306 🔗

More wonderful ideas from The World Bank. This analysis dates from 2001, from Sherbrooke, Quebec:

76975 grammarschoolman, replying to grammarschoolman, #366 of 1306 🔗

So there goes the Aldeburgh Festival, then.

76983 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to grammarschoolman, #367 of 1306 🔗

It were a rotten borough. One that really had declined because of the erosion of the sea.

77015 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ned of the Hills, #368 of 1306 🔗

Wasn’t that Dunwich?

77155 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #369 of 1306 🔗

Aye, that were a rotten borough too, and that too were badly eroded – more so than Dunwich.

76980 richard riewer, 2, #370 of 1306 🔗

This Richie Allen podcast dates from July 9, 2020. He interviewed Christine Brett. They discussed social distancing and sending children back to school. Ms Brett mentionned that some 21 countries have already sent their children back to school.


76984 matt, replying to matt, 17, #371 of 1306 🔗

So. Psy-ops

Whatever your opinion on the motivation behind all of this, there’s no denying the concerted effort that was put into terrifying the population. There’s plenty on record that shows that there was a deliberate and coordinated plan to “raise the sense of personal risk”.

I was thinking about the run up to lockdown. Specifically, I was thinking about the sense that something was coming and how it built up over the weeks beforehand and something occurred to me.

I remembered that there was this building sense among those around me (I wasn’t completely immune) that went something like this:
– look at what those draconian bastards are doing in Italy. Couldn’t happen here.
– oh, France and Spain now. Still – all seems like a bit of a fuss
– we’ve got it now? Better take this hand washing thing seriously. Oh, hahaha, yes, I shouldn’t shake your hand, should I?
– things are beginning to feel a bit shaky. They wouldn’t do it here, surely?
– bastards are going to do it, aren’t they? Rumours the army are going to be on the streets. Definitely feels like it’s coming
– bastards have only gone and done it

All of which is history, but my point is – all of these people I was talking to who all had basically the same reactions at the same time in the build up just changed after lockdown. Over video calls, or in person once we were allowed to do it, all of these people I’d had the conversations above with in the run up had all become genuinely worried. Most of them agree with me when I go on about the details of the reality, but some of them see me as a curiosity. I’ve heard “no, it’s good. It’s reassuring”.

Anyway, just a ramble – sorry. But I suppose my point is that the psy op was pretty damn’ effective, wasn’t it?

76988 ▶▶ Julian, replying to matt, 11, #372 of 1306 🔗

It does seem to have been. It had the opposite effect on me. The more they went on about it, the more I thought I ought to find out if it was all true, as I was worried.

77082 ▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to Julian, 6, #373 of 1306 🔗

That’s pretty much how I got here! Starting with (pre-lockdown I think) wanting to find out what the real best estimate for the fatality rate was, as panicky media stories and the data coming out of Italy etc. seemed to suggest it was anything from 3% to 10%.
Finding out it was 1% was a reassurance, if I had been told then that it was a quarter of that at most, and the disease would be mostly burnt out in the UK by the end of June, but society and government would still be terrified of the virus months later – I’d probably have given up hope! Back then I still had the naive idea that people would be looking for a way out of this mess, rather than looking for excuses to stay in it.

77011 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to matt, 2, #374 of 1306 🔗

Oh yes. It definitely scared me for a week or two – but I was getting all my info from the beeb and the Grad at that point.

Don’t judge. I don’t normally read papers and hadn’t followed the “news” for years. I only started by following the election campaign and continued because I wanted to see who would replace Corbyn.

I wasn’t going to plough through all those ads and jumping thumbnails in the tabloids to try to find the news. The “quality” papers are mostly behind paywalls and I don’t think what they had to say at that point would have been any less scary.

Fortunately a Grad BTLer pointed me to Hector Drummond and I eventually found my way here.

That’s why I can sympathise with the genuinely scared who are still being terrorised by the beeb.
No time for virtue signallers though!

77206 ▶▶▶ Shep, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #375 of 1306 🔗

Anna Brees youtube channel recommended)

77229 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Shep, 1, #376 of 1306 🔗

Thanks. I’m not scared now – just somewhat angry!

77325 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, #377 of 1306 🔗

Don’t get angry, get even.

77294 ▶▶▶▶ anti_corruption_tsar, replying to Shep, 1, #378 of 1306 🔗

Totally agreed – great channel for ordinary people to express their sceptical opinions

77012 ▶▶ Howie59, replying to matt, 7, #379 of 1306 🔗

I set up a WhatsApp group with like-minded friends in February called the Coronaspiricy. We all felt what was going to happen back then with the headline news coming from China and Italy, it was just a matter of time as to when Boris would succumb. Pictures of the beds on hospital corridors and the lack of available care was the beginning of the propaganda machine. The 3 phrase slogans and clap for the NHS just took it to another level.

My friends on the group are as skeptical as ever. My family however is less so, though I do feel some kind of awakening is happening around me since the silliness of the local lockdown last weekend.

The frightening thing is that the wild conspiracy theories that we were banding about in the WhatsApp group in February are even more believable now.

77103 ▶▶ annie, replying to matt, 8, #380 of 1306 🔗

The Coronaterror works backwards. Drastic action has been taken, so there is something to be afraid of. Lockdown hss been imposed, so it really must be dangerous to go out. Face nappies are compulsory, so the virus must have got worse and we should be even more scared.
Without the terror campaign, everything would now be back to the real normal and C19 would be something that really nasty governments in other countries got draconian about. If we thought about it much at all.

77824 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to annie, #381 of 1306 🔗

Yes, that’s very much what it seems like round here. People seem even more terrified now thanks to the muzzle mandate, the relentless testing propaganda and the resulting faked ‘2nd spike’ figures.

77169 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to matt, 7, #382 of 1306 🔗

It was really effective, but I still struggle to think there’s a coordinated plan, I’ve met a few politicians (and I’m knee deep in local government currently, fighting a ‘landed gentry and the Tories in cahoots’ greenbelt campaign), honestly? My experience, nobody’s got a bloody clue what they’re doing! They aren’t all that bright (think back to school, remember the swaggering, posh kids that were thick as mince?), and they have waaaay too much confidence. Some granted, truly are in it for the public service, and are well intentioned, but at Ministry Level, have to have the hide of a rhino and be ruthlessly personally ambitious. They politic, and the officers and civil servants run around them trying to limit the damage, but it just wouldn’t surprise me when it came to this, if we are reaping the whirlwind of their confidence over reaching their ability.

I do agree that people’s response to this, and their compliance, has just puzzled the hell out of me. I’ve just listened to Hugh Osmond on Radio 5 Live, and that annoyingly chirpy woman, Emma whosit, when he was talking about the price of lockdown, saying there’s going to be five, six, seven million unemployed, did a shrug (you could almost hear it) and said, ‘hindsight’s twenty twenty’. I mean, honestly, I just want to scream, ‘what RIGHT does the government, our government, that works for US, have to do that to us?’. I find the lack of curiosity, or even sense of how a free country actually works, let alone that we all as citizens have a responsibility to protect it, just shocking.

77239 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to BecJT, -1, #383 of 1306 🔗

On top of that, it’s a global phenomenon.
So don’t be too harsh on the UK.
Something else must be going on.

77302 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to BecJT, 2, #384 of 1306 🔗

“Hindsight’s 20-20” — Well maybe so, unless you’re looking at the GIANTEST MOST OBVIOUS ELEPHANT EVER in which case you should have seen it in the first place!

The first part of your comment really rings true with me. Not that I’m involved in politics in any way but I was ‘in with’ the people who were at uni (I worked for the SU doing practical things like IT and taking minutes, whilst thinking the ‘elected’ officers were all batshit crazy) – and was around local politicians all the time when I was a journalist (council meetings and court cases were my primary thing). They are a bunch of attention seekers, basically. Not particularly capable attention seekers who put themselves forward for these things because they genuinely think politics is fun.

Silly me thought the (rare) capable ones may just have managed to get to the top by now. But obviously not.

77303 ▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Farinances, 2, #385 of 1306 🔗

“Hollywood for ugly people” — Peter Hitchens, 2020.

77329 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to matt, 3, #386 of 1306 🔗

It got me worried enough to self isolate for the week before johnson told us to stay home but after 3 weeks out & about as a key worker I realised in hindsight that it was all bollocks.
Helped by sites such ss this and not being exposed to BBC TV.

76985 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #387 of 1306 🔗

Anyone else done the double piss take yet?

Going in for fast food without a mask. Say you are eating in thus making you exempt from mask-wearing AND getting a 50% discount in the process. Walk out with food.


76994 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, #388 of 1306 🔗

That’s a bit mean – unless it’s a revenge visit.
And we don’t need to lie to go muzzle-free.

77009 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cheezilla, #389 of 1306 🔗

Mean? lol

The lie is for the discount.

77013 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, #390 of 1306 🔗

Theft then?

77014 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cheezilla, #391 of 1306 🔗

Think i’ll just take your answer as a ‘no’ and leave it there

77202 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Shep, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #392 of 1306 🔗

we arebeing taken for a ride so I get it)

76989 Cheezilla, #393 of 1306 🔗

Does anyone know how to get an updated version of this?


I keep getting w/ending July 26 but the Telegraph showed a comletely different-looking one purporting to be for w/ending July 30th when it reported the Northern lockdown on Friday.

Was the DT one fake or am I doing something wrong?

The site was updated at 6pm today. Am I just too early for an updated graph?
Which still doesn’t explain the DT’s magic one!

76992 Humanity First, replying to Humanity First, 12, #394 of 1306 🔗

Just a thought – all MPs and government advisers in favour of imposing and/or continuing the lockdown should not have own their salaries paid for the duration of the lockdown…maybe their views on ‘public safety’ will be rather different…

76998 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Humanity First, 8, #395 of 1306 🔗

Said it before, wanna end the lockdown this Thursday? Furlough the MPs tomorrow…

77003 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #396 of 1306 🔗

Yes, but they are public sector – they would get 100% pay, leaving the government utterly unopposed (I know, that’s roughly true anyway) while they enjoyed their fully paid extended holidays.

77006 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #397 of 1306 🔗

If we ask nicely, could we skip the furlough step and go straight to sacking, without redundancy pay…. please!

77053 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #398 of 1306 🔗

Hmmm, how can we streamline this? Let’s see, 650 MPs, nine shot magazine…

77055 ▶▶▶▶▶ Castendo, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #399 of 1306 🔗

rows of three?

77090 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Sam Vimes, #400 of 1306 🔗

What about The Lords – they’ll be sad and lonely!

77105 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #401 of 1306 🔗

Sack them too.

77004 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Humanity First, 6, #402 of 1306 🔗

I would revoke pensions for damages too

77133 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Humanity First, 3, #403 of 1306 🔗

Nah. We should make them reapply for their jobs – on a very substantial reduced pay (minimum wage) and derisory pension scheme.

Not to mention cut their numbers. Do we really need 600-odd MPs?

77210 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #404 of 1306 🔗

Appears that there are only three or four active ones since March.

77370 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nick Rose, #405 of 1306 🔗

That doesn’t surprise me. You can bet that the Lords is even more dead than the Commons.

77196 ▶▶ Shep, replying to Humanity First, 1, #406 of 1306 🔗

Marble Arch, bring your knitting)

77236 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Humanity First, 1, #407 of 1306 🔗

Neither civil servants, and above all: teachers!

76995 BecJT, replying to BecJT, 6, #408 of 1306 🔗

According to one estimate , a three-month lockdown across different parts of the world and a gradual return to normal over 10 months could result in an additional 6.3 million cases of tuberculosis and 1.4 million deaths from it.

A six-month disruption of antiretroviral therapy may lead to more than 500,000 additional deaths from illnesses related to H.I.V., according to the W.H.O. Another model by the W.H.O. predicted that in the worst-case scenario, deaths from malaria could double to 770,000 per year.


77235 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to BecJT, 1, #409 of 1306 🔗

The TB story was published and we’ll known in early April already.
IMO, all those who decided to do a lockdown should face trial in The Hague.
Above all the ethics professors who were involved and deliberately sanctioned this genocide, at least that was the case in Germany.

77022 BecJT, replying to BecJT, 11, #410 of 1306 🔗

Trigger warning (I actually mean it, brace yourself), this is absolutely heartbreaking, what’s really going on in care homes, very very upsetting https://www.facebook.com/clare.wills1/videos/10217947324690408/?notif_id=1596562253273952&notif_t=live_video

The absolute bastards, that’s it, people need to go to jail.

77047 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to BecJT, 4, #411 of 1306 🔗

That is appalling. I do not know what else to say.

77056 ▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to Dave #KBF, 6, #412 of 1306 🔗

I think Claire is part of Keep Britain Free but she’s clearly a health professional. I’ve sent it to Toby, if it can be properly verified, it’s front page news. The absolute w@nkers. Honestly, I cry a lot anyway, but I’ve bawled at that. It’s unconscionable. It’s evil.

77437 ▶▶ Alison9, replying to BecJT, #413 of 1306 🔗

Oh dear God – is this what we have come to?

77025 RichardJames, replying to RichardJames, 22, #414 of 1306 🔗

From yesterday, re-posted because I put it on the wrong day;

“Went into Starbucks for a coffee. Turned off Bluetooth on my phone to stop the tracing app, then the girl asked for my contact details. Gave her a phone number with one digit incorrect, and refused my surname. She smiled, put “Smith” and served me with a smile. No mask of course, it’s a food outlet so I didn’t need one. My mask exemption badge stayed in my pocket.
I showed it to a friend (72 yr-old) and her eyes widened with delight. “Where did you get that!” she said. “Lockdown Sceptics link; arrived in three days…” Yay! Her cleaner asked for the website, too. The exemption tag has a bright orange “MASK EXEMPT” ribbon.As it happens, I have a genuine condition which is so cringmaking that I can’t wait for a police officer to challenge me; I’ll make it the worst day of his life.
My wife and I have agreed that we won’t put any worker’s job at risk by making a fuss in front of their management; the managers, however, are fair game. So delighted, this mild protest has improved my mood no end.”

77129 ▶▶ Kathryn, replying to RichardJames, 4, #415 of 1306 🔗

Brilliant! Anywhere I’m asked for my track and trace details, I use my maiden name and give them my phone number with one or two digits wrong too. They can get stuffed as far as I’m concerned!

77209 ▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Kathryn, 2, #416 of 1306 🔗

Sounds like we all had the same idea lol

77262 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Kathryn, 1, #417 of 1306 🔗

I was musing along the lines of using the surnames of SNP MSPs and MPs, plus the phone number of the local SNP office.

77187 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to RichardJames, 4, #418 of 1306 🔗

While you say “ No mask of course, it’s a food outlet so I didn’t need one. ” I think the rules are that if you order from a counter and then sit down , you need the muzzle. However if you sit at a table and then are waitress served , you don’t. You see the virus knows not to attack you if you proceed straight to a table.

77026 Moomin, replying to Moomin, #419 of 1306 🔗

Is the north west lockdown signed off and legal yet?

77041 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to Moomin, #420 of 1306 🔗
77057 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to BecJT, #421 of 1306 🔗
77050 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Moomin, 2, #422 of 1306 🔗

Govt website doesn’t seem to have been updated since Thursday but I did find this update from 5pm in the Mirror, which implies it’s gone through very recently.


Officials refused to comment when asked why there had been a delay in imposing the laws and on what legal basis they had been enforced for the first five days of the measures.
Human rights barrister Adam Wagner, commenting on the legislation on Twitter, said: “They come into force and do not (cannot) apply to anything which happened before that.”

The restrictions must be reviewed once every 14 days and the first must take place by August 19.

BASTARDS! They said it was for 7 days initially and there aren’t even any cases where I live!

(Will be ignoring it though.)

77260 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to Moomin, 1, #423 of 1306 🔗

I found it, it’s midnight tonight https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/828/made

77027 Farinances, replying to Farinances, 18, #424 of 1306 🔗

I may just have a phone prang with the national blood service 😉

Rang me up to check why I’d cancelled my appointment (clearly never crosschecked my complaint if they ever read it).

Bloke began with “We really need people to keep donating blood right now”
Which didn’t start me off in a good place, I can tell you.

So I laid out my piece.

He had a good go, this poor guy (I really gave it to him, feel awesome). “Well, the point about asymptomatic transmission is that you don’t know you have it and can pass it to others” he ventured.

Wowsers. I told him the WHO had said (before politically wetting their knickers) otherwise. Forgot to mention that Wales and Scotland aren’t taking the same tack.

Fingers crossed lots of others are doing the same thing. Hilariously the conversation ended with “Well we’ll mark that down on your record so you can book in as when you want to”. ==> We’ll mark you down as ‘evil’ and never ring you again.


77065 ▶▶ Fiat, replying to Farinances, 8, #425 of 1306 🔗

I’ve been donating for over 30 years. Last time was in April, funnily enough around the 8th (peak Covid!). But I have also now said I won’t attend because of the mask diktat. It’s really upsetting and I will really miss it. I await a formal reply from the Blood Service to my concerns.

77070 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Fiat, 11, #426 of 1306 🔗

I’ve been donating since I was 17. So….. nearly 20 years.

I hope there are loads of us. I really do. I have O- blood (also CMV negative which means it is given to babies) so they are always on my case to donate, which is their job, so good for them for ringing I suppose. They don’t get my good shit though unless they treat me like a human being not a biohazard.

77078 ▶▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to Farinances, 1, #427 of 1306 🔗

I’m O neg also, but I have chronic iron deficiency anaemia so I can’t spare a pint, but always wished I could. Good for you for saying no.

77083 ▶▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to BecJT, 1, #428 of 1306 🔗

Oh no way 🙁
Does that mean you have an excuse to drink a shitload of Guinness?

77091 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to Farinances, 1, #429 of 1306 🔗

Yes in theory, but no because I don’t like it. I heard a rumour that red wine is high in iron.

77096 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to BecJT, 2, #430 of 1306 🔗

It is! Well there’s your poison
(Guinness is mine and I project)
(As my Irish uncle did onto me lol)

77224 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BecJT, 1, #431 of 1306 🔗

Worth a try 😉

77076 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Fiat, 8, #432 of 1306 🔗

Funny isn’t as well, as an example. It’s a really good example of Medicofascist gaslighting.

“You’re healthy enough to give blood (because we need it). But not healthy enough to breathe freely (because fuck your freedoms).”

Yeah well my blood isn’t yours until I give it.

77102 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Farinances, 1, #433 of 1306 🔗

It’s not theirs yet, but when the sheeple accept the “logic” that we must mandate masks to protect others, it’s not a far leap to “you must give blood for others.”

77132 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #434 of 1306 🔗

Or organs – if they’ve got your DNA, they can work out who you will be a match for…
Actually wasn’t there a film about that, not too long ago? ‘Never let me go’ ???

77071 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Farinances, 2, #435 of 1306 🔗

You should have added “…and I’ve had the illness and recovered as well…” deny them a litre of antibody plasma into the bargain.

77084 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to RichardJames, 2, #436 of 1306 🔗

Agh shit. So many things I wish I’d said!

I wish I’d asked if they’re testing the blood as well. Like how do they know they’re not transfusing covid into people? Same way they know if you’ve got Hep B I suppose.

And if that’s the case, if your blood is positive do they refer you to T&T? Is that lawful?

Damnit I could have extracted some info from him 🙁 but I just unleashed

77131 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Farinances, 1, #437 of 1306 🔗

‘If your blood is positive do they refer you to T&T? Is that lawful?’ – very good questions – one for a lawyer…

77124 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Farinances, 2, #438 of 1306 🔗

I’m not scientific but if you’re asymptomatic for Covid 19 wouldn’t your blood be contaminated??

77194 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #439 of 1306 🔗

exactly. so they must be testing the blood regardless of masks.

Unless of course they know precisely what bullshit it is and are only testing random samples….

77195 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #440 of 1306 🔗

And obv if covid was such a DEADLY DISEASE surely the risk of blood donation would be too great without having a test first?

77029 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 16, #441 of 1306 🔗

High Peak Shopping Experience # n:

Coop (small store): OH and I walked in, heard ‘mumble, mumble, mask’ from behind us. Large Party (muzzled, female, late middle-aged, probably called Karen.) OH said loudly, ‘No!’ but I thought I’d do a job on her. I marched right up to her and it went as follows:

M: ‘Do you realise you’re breaking the law?’
LP: ‘mumble’
M: ‘Have you heard of hidden disabilities?
LP: ‘mumble’
M: ‘Right, so mind your own business and keep your distance!’
LP: [sounded like] ‘I will’ as she backed off at a great rate of knots. Hah!

Five of us out of about 12 unmuzzled – good. Now here’s the bad bit: The woman on the till is also exempt and had heard my exchange with LP. She was very cross, particularly because another customer had bullied an unmasked old lady earlier who now she says she’s too scared to shop. We can take care of ourselves but this is outrageous!

We also talked to the manager and, as at New Mills, were told there’s ‘something about exemptions on the Tannoy’, Well there may be but it’s inaudible in both stores. He was a bit useless but also unmuzzled. He chose to talk to us next to the ghastly gunk and two zombies were trying to get past us to anoint their hands. They wouldn’t ask us to move and I noticed that they were literally shaking with fear. Shocking!

I’ve just fired off a stronger email to Coop Customer Care telling them they need, as a matter of urgency, to sort out signage about exemptions.

Next, Morrison’s: Door goon asked us about masks. We just said ‘exempt’ – no problem. One other person unmuzzled. Store fuller than last time (about 4.30pm) but otherwise full zombie mode. Lots of obedient, compliant young people with those horrible jockstraps on. Depressing but nobody seemed to notice us. We also noticed some real piss-taking (a kefiyah worn loosely, a bandana barely covering anything, masks on chins etc) but I wonder why they haven’t got the bottle to just not go without!

Anyway, a question for all you hard cases on LS: Have we been challenged twice now in Co-ops because a) we don’t have enough tattoos? b) We don’t look ‘well ard’ enough? c) we are not hairy enough or d) The Kens and Karens of the High Peak have bigger cojones than the ones where you live (looking at you KH1485 and Awkward Git et al)?

Or should we simply stop looking friendly and smiley and glare at everyone truculently? :-[ :-[

77038 ▶▶ Julian, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #442 of 1306 🔗

I sometimes wished I looked mad enough. Travelling on buses a lot, as I used to, you can see the people who breeze past the driver without paying/showing a ticket and the driver in general says nothing. When I used to try that, just to see what would happen, I was usually challenged.

77080 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Julian, 1, #443 of 1306 🔗

I once flashed my drivers licence instead of my bus pass on a day I’d forgotten it.


77171 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, #444 of 1306 🔗

Comes with practice…

77040 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 6, #445 of 1306 🔗

My local Co-Op is a bit Non-U also. Not long ago I saw a woman in her pyjamas and dressing gown buying 48 cans of cider. I find though, given they are all the shop workers, and factory workers, and have been doing all the grunt work through all this, they tend not to care (provided you don’t get in the way of their Lambert and Butler, and booze).

77072 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to BecJT, 1, #446 of 1306 🔗

Ours is a real mixture although I’ve never seen anyone in a dressing gown yet. Plenty of booze though or was that just us?

77219 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BecJT, 2, #447 of 1306 🔗

Escapee from Walmart?

77257 ▶▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #448 of 1306 🔗

LOL, they have signs on the door of our local ASDA (walmart) that nightwear and pyjamas are forbidden. In fact, perhaps this is why we are in lockdown, the callibre of fellow countrymen are people who go to fetch provisions in their jimjams.

77045 ▶▶ matt, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 10, #449 of 1306 🔗

I can’t answer the question. I’ve not been to a coop, but also, I’m 6’2 and in my early 40s and have a career built (at least partly) on acting confident, so I can’t remember the last time I was challenged for anything at all. That’s probably at least as important. The covinazis are jackals – they’ll try to prey on what they think are the weak. I’m glad you showed them they were wrong.

77063 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to matt, 5, #450 of 1306 🔗

Thanks, Matt. Funnily enough we’re both 6-footers and we don’t exactly present as either weak or victims because we’re fit old buggers. Today, we’d yomped over a local hill to the store with rucksacks and on Saturday, we’d cycled to New Mills and it’s hilly round here!

I can only assume that both these twerps mumbled ‘mask’ at us because we’re old and they may have wrongly assumed that equates with weak. As you say, they found out different!

I couldn’t care less about us actually but I’m really angry about that old lady who’s now too scared to go shopping having been bullied so I hope we’ve given both these covinazis something to think about.

77228 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to matt, 2, #451 of 1306 🔗

Same for me.
And I have my answers prepared.
Sofar, absolutely no problems whatsoever though.
I try to smile, am polite and pretty confident.

There is a price to pay for stupidity, and those overly compliant idiots really deserve to get their bacterial infection, IMHO.

77333 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to matt, #452 of 1306 🔗

Likewise 6’2 so was able to walk in a straight line on crowded London streets by looking above everyone elses heads.
Same with mask morons and if they want to leap out of my way that’s their business.

77048 ▶▶ Steve, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #453 of 1306 🔗

I’ve yet to be challenged in a co-op or a Nisa (which I think must be owned by co-op judging by the amount of co-op brand products they sell). Nor has my wife, although she does tend to done her wannabe axe murderer expression before entering a shop these days…

Lots of other people not wearing masks in the stores and all the staff gave up with them after a couple of days. Did see one guy wearing a visor, which he had up, not sure what good he thought that was going to do. Noticed yesterday that exemptions are mentioned on the tannoy now, but the signage hasn’t changed.

77088 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Steve, 2, #454 of 1306 🔗

Yes, apparently the Coop took them over in 2017. But, hey, we’ve just found this:


Apparently the shopkeeper doesn’t want people in masks because of shop-lifting!

77062 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 7, #455 of 1306 🔗

I practice by glaring at the police – when I see one. I am fortunate in that I can out-stare anyone (I practice on the local cats). I used to think I was being childish or petulant, but now I have a thoroughly justifiable excuse for all my previous efforts in this regard.

77064 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to RichardJames, 6, #456 of 1306 🔗

You’re definitely well ‘ard if you can outstare a cat!

77067 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #457 of 1306 🔗

Yes; I haven’t been to Chester Zoo for a while, but I am told that the Olympic level of my sport is to out-stare a tiger. Must go and see.

77186 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RichardJames, #458 of 1306 🔗

Don’t forget that when staring at a tiger, it’s just wondering what’s for dinner.

77231 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to RichardJames, #459 of 1306 🔗

Feed the tiger a zombie first.

77073 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #460 of 1306 🔗

Excellent Miriam. I’m proud of you. A similar thing happened to us in M and S this morning. Having already told the floor manager about it, have now written to them as at last their comments/complaints system is working again. Told them that they need to make it crystal clear to their customers that we, the unmasked, will not be messed with. If enough of us do this, they will soon get the message.

77079 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Margaret, 1, #461 of 1306 🔗

Thanks Margaret and good luck! I’ll share the Co-op’s response when I get it. At least they do reply but it’s time they sorted this out now, urgently.

It’s good to hear that we’re able to see these mask-vigilantes off!

77081 ▶▶ anon, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #462 of 1306 🔗

stand your ground

sounds like you did anyway!

77116 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #463 of 1306 🔗

I go in the supermarket looking like I’ve got the raving hump walk around with a scowl no one bothers me then at the checkout a nice smile for the cashier and a cheerful hello how are you today then stroll out chuckling to myself

77191 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #464 of 1306 🔗

“I go in the supermarket looking like I’ve got the raving hump walk around with a scowl.”

That’s my natural look.

77146 ▶▶ Paul, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #465 of 1306 🔗

I tend to respond to people in the manner they initially treat me,be rude or offensive to me and they get it back and some !,a customer in Farmfoods the other day noticed I was maskless and he looked on the point of saying something so I made eye contact and gave him a look that said ‘no,don’t bother pal’,I could see him almost visibly shrink away and from then on he seemed to be pretending I wasn’t there.

77162 ▶▶ Fed up, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 11, #466 of 1306 🔗

So my 80 year old mother returning her trolley at Lidl. Two masked goons (late sixties) disinfecting a trolley as my mother attempted to return hers (she was unmasked). They shouted at her and jumped out of the way like she was a plague infested human vector because she was somehow interfering with their decontamination protocols by daring to be within a 2m parameter. Mother returns to car, youngish mum with toddler (both unmasked) rushes over and apologies that she hadn’t intervened. My mum reassured her that she didn’t need to be defended and thanked her for her consideration. Mum says something about silly masks and the infernal goop. Woman agrees enthusiastically. Mum later asks me: why did she do that. I said, she one of us. A fellow sceptic. They are out there. Maybe our numbers are growing?

77174 ▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to Fed up, 2, #467 of 1306 🔗

How lovely, good for both your mum, and that lady.

77232 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fed up, #468 of 1306 🔗

I salute them both.

77331 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #469 of 1306 🔗

Local largish co op workers now wearing visors for the first time (behind perspex screen).
I asked the familiar lady for my brand of cigarettes
“What’s that love ? Bloody thing makes me deaf”.

77035 Cheezilla, 10, #470 of 1306 🔗

Someone posted this link of Wankock here last night. I know I’d had a glass of wine but I was literally crying with laughter, so I wanted more of you to have a laugh too.


77179 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Joseph Collins, #472 of 1306 🔗

Some electron microscope pictures of the non-existent virus, isolated from patients and cultured in the lab:


77193 ▶▶▶ Joseph Collins, replying to guy153, #473 of 1306 🔗

I knew it was bullshit as soon as the China/animal/human angle was mentioned. A regular flu season has been used for this fake pandemic.

77043 richard riewer, 3, #474 of 1306 🔗

The BBC made a documentary several years ago titled ‘The Money Tree’. Maybe Chancellor Sunak watched and was suitably impressed.

77061 Humanity First, replying to Humanity First, -1, #475 of 1306 🔗

These comments on off guardian initially struck a chord because they talked about covid regulations ‘tormenting’ the people – which is certainly what it feels like at times.

However, not sure about the reason being to incite a popular revolt and bring in a right- wing dictatorship for people who have had enough of being subject to the irrational whims of their democratically elected leaders?

Aug 4, 2020 6:46 PM

They are tormenting the population because they want a revolt. They will not stop until a revolt happens and following the ‘revolution’ the far-right will assume power, as Steve Bannon has predicted this week, and is engineering with Cummings.

I find myself cheering this CIA operation, against masks and restrictions, it’s that good, but I really wont like it when they have trashed our parliament and our democratic institutions by discrediting our government via their daft Covid restrictions. Finally it is a pantomime to discredit our democratic institutions, ones they are gone, we will be left with our militarily and a secretive elite telling us what we are allowed to do.

Aug 4, 2020 5:41 PM
Reply to Reichsmark
…. The ‘Big Pharma’ conspiracy is just red meat put out for the plebs so they don’t notice the real conspiracy – Big Tech working with the American ‘deep state’ to save the dollar and American power by crushing economies.

Aug 4, 2020 6:21 PM
Reply to Thom
Big Pharma is another arm of the US empire, that works with/for the state.
The US is a pure fascist state, where the Corporate co-ordinates with tech, with military, with surveillance, with the political, with the financial…etc. Snowden told us that.

They are a rapacious empire, hungry to consume the rest of the world. Except we are not being told by our cowardly leaders, that we are on the USA’s menu. I believe we should at least be told, who is destroying our country.

77066 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Humanity First, 8, #476 of 1306 🔗

See this is where me and the tinfoils…… diverge. Wildly.

77151 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Farinances, 2, #477 of 1306 🔗

Seconded. Because what’s the point of the above? Why?

77077 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Humanity First, -1, #478 of 1306 🔗

I think it is this: https://youtu.be/NMZRBU2t7dc

77094 ▶▶ anon, replying to Humanity First, 1, #479 of 1306 🔗

reads too well

and they seem to know too much

distraction from what’s really gong on which is right in front of our eyes imo

77097 ▶▶ Castendo, replying to Humanity First, #480 of 1306 🔗

OMG! I should go out more…

77216 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Humanity First, #481 of 1306 🔗

I do think they are trying to incite rebellion though. Hence the Manchester police force asking for troop reinforcements to be available just in case.

77221 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Humanity First, 1, #482 of 1306 🔗

I am absolutely convinced that there will be right-wing authoritarian backlash against the woke in many countries.
And it will be bad for the woke, as their intolerance has now legitimized the then coming crackdown on them.
Which is why I detest them and their intolerance both.
But to make this into a conspiracy theory like this now is implausible, not least because this is global and many right wingers are already in charge, and many center or centre left governments that are in charge face no credible threat whatsoever from the right as of yet, to the contrary, all those governments have benefitted from just being in power now, poll-wise.

77263 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #483 of 1306 🔗

Power and money. Power and money. Always power and money.

Far-right uprisings benefit nobody currently in power with money.

77069 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 9, #484 of 1306 🔗

A new word to describe the machinations of Matt Hancock:


77075 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to richard riewer, 2, #485 of 1306 🔗


77115 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to richard riewer, 1, #486 of 1306 🔗

Blimey! Never heard the word before but Googled it and ended up listening to a song by George Harrison called Cockamamie Business. Very underrated was George.

77203 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Biggles, 2, #487 of 1306 🔗

George was the real deal – brilliant guitarist too.

77154 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to richard riewer, 1, #488 of 1306 🔗

It is an excellent word. I’m also rather fond of nincompoop.

77156 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to richard riewer, 2, #489 of 1306 🔗

My dad would have referred to him as a wazzock.

77214 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #490 of 1306 🔗

Wazzock Wankock would be a good name to use for track&trace …..

77218 ▶▶ annie, replying to richard riewer, 3, #491 of 1306 🔗

A good description of Matt the Death (or Boris or both) in Ruddigore:

Coward, poltroon, shaker, squeamer,
Blockhead, sluggard, dullard, dreamer,
Shirker, shuffler, crawler, creeper,
Sniffler, snuffler, wailer, weeper,
Earthworm, maggot, tadpole, weevil!
Set upon thy course of evil…

77085 DRW, replying to DRW, 11, #492 of 1306 🔗

I think my family are slowly coming round to the sceptic cause. Like me initially, they were (and still are) neturals and ‘accepted’ lockdown even if they despised the government. Discussions after I became a sceptic were usually quite heated. Now they’ve described the latest measures as ‘stupid’ I’m hoping they’re at last starting to see the light.

77152 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to DRW, 1, #493 of 1306 🔗

Show them this (be warned, it’s only a woman reporting events, even so I cried like a child, very, very distressing ) https://www.facebook.com/clare.wills1/videos/10217947324690408/

77173 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to BecJT, 2, #494 of 1306 🔗

With my current state of mind I’ll watch that later Bec. But we do need to get distressing stuff out there.

77255 ▶▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to DRW, #495 of 1306 🔗

Yeah I’m similar, it’s all too much sometimes, it’s the harm, I just can’t stop thinking about the harm. Nobody apart from us lot seems at all curious about it either.

77086 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 15, #496 of 1306 🔗

The latest news from Melbourne, Australia on the Richie Allen Show is very frightening. Police stopping cars, smashing their windows and dragging the people out of their cars. What the fuck is going on in Australia?

77089 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to richard riewer, 8, #497 of 1306 🔗

They’re stepping up in class from Spain and parts of America. Terrifying actually.

77130 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to richard riewer, 2, #498 of 1306 🔗

The authorities are doubling down having seen that more people have seen through the psy-op than they thought…

77211 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to richard riewer, 3, #499 of 1306 🔗

As a friend of mine summarized them after having lived there for 2 years:
Spießer (philistines) with a surfboard.

77092 Castendo, replying to Castendo, 3, #500 of 1306 🔗

How about some psy-ops on the sheep like double down virtue signalling? wearing a face mask exempt card or a t-shirt with it printed, but also wear a mask?
Keep ’em guessing…

77098 ▶▶ anon, replying to Castendo, 2, #501 of 1306 🔗

that’s next week bro

don’t ruin it eh!

77100 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Castendo, 1, #502 of 1306 🔗

I was thinking of ramping up the anxiety. Talk up the prospect of a London lockdown etc

77109 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #503 of 1306 🔗

Maybe it’s time the soft southerners learned a bit about life?

77113 ▶▶▶ Castendo, replying to BJJ, #505 of 1306 🔗

Darwin is dead.

77332 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Castendo, #506 of 1306 🔗

The supposed death toll from Covid in Quebec is around 6000 out of 8.5 million=0.0007%. I wrote the number down on a label and I am going to paste it on my mask and wear it tomorrow. Just for kicks.

77095 richard riewer, 1, #507 of 1306 🔗

The mantras keep on coming. Weapons of Mass Destruction.

77106 Mike Collins, replying to Mike Collins, 9, #508 of 1306 🔗

I’ve just noticed in the Round-up that Israeli doctors have re-engineered an erectile dysfunction drug for COVID-19 use, apparently it has no curative effect but it stops them all rolling out of bed. 🙂

I’m here all evening….

77126 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Mike Collins, 7, #509 of 1306 🔗

Somewhere to hang your mask when you’re not using it.

77112 Edgar Friendly, replying to Edgar Friendly, 10, #510 of 1306 🔗

‘Israeli-modified erectile dysfunction drug shows some promise treating COVID-19’

That must have been a hard one to discover…

77153 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Edgar Friendly, 7, #511 of 1306 🔗

Sounds like the Viagra eyedrops that didn’t work but made you look hard.

77212 ▶▶ annie, replying to Edgar Friendly, 3, #512 of 1306 🔗

Pecker up, as they say.

77128 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #513 of 1306 🔗

I know someone who had a covid test today. Testing centre empty, tumbleweed etc. Swabs up both nostrils and down throat. Just in case those naughty covids are hiding…

77136 ▶▶ DRW, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #514 of 1306 🔗

Oh no two positive tests! Get ready for a CockN’Clown lockdown!

77163 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to A. Contrarian, 15, #515 of 1306 🔗

I know 2 mates who marched their families down to a test centre in the last few weeks, purely cos one of their kids got a slight temperature. Thankfully none fell victim to a false positive, but I just don’t understand how intelligent people can fall for this garbage. When I asked why, it was ‘to put the wifes mind at rest’ – at rest from what? That your kid might have one a mild temperature caused by something other than sars-cov2? Utterly bizarre, the fact they got negatives was enough to make her (and him, if he was more honest) suddenly relaxed about the slight temperature, whereas they’d come back positive what would they have done – run around screaming thinking their kid was gonna die?

The reach of the fear propaganda is mighty impressive, turning intelligent people into quivering idiots.

77165 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mark II, 26, #516 of 1306 🔗

Just saw this comment online: ‘N o one thinks it’s acceptable to shout Bomb! on a plane or Fire! in a crowded theatre.

So why have we allowed the media to proclaim Covid-19 a highly dangerous disease every day for 5 months.

They are morally responsible for the consequences.’

As you say the fear propaganda has worked all too well…

77182 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mark II, 3, #517 of 1306 🔗

Sounds like someone I work with, tells me he has a sinus infection, which he does as I suffer from the same and told him as much.

He had a test at the weekend, just in case…

77134 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 16, #518 of 1306 🔗

Well, the bedwetters are firmly in control in Ireland. Pubs reopening put back until 31st August (TBH, I can’t see them being allowed to reopen ever again) and mandatory facemasks in shops from Monday. Meanwhile, deaths are at zero and the weasel worded “cases” (not infections) are only in double digits.

77148 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #519 of 1306 🔗

Sounds like our lot, give or take a bit.

77167 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #520 of 1306 🔗

What has happened to the irish?

77198 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #521 of 1306 🔗

Extended the ban on pubs reopening and mandatory masks in shops from Monday.

77177 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #522 of 1306 🔗

So more trips to Belfast then?

77200 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to mhcp, 2, #523 of 1306 🔗

It is looking that way. One advantage of the political state of play is that the DUP wont want to be seen copying Dublin!

77138 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #524 of 1306 🔗

This is not surprising and there will be more of this to come:


Lots of comments going “what did you expect???”

77147 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #525 of 1306 🔗

My favourite comment, Police arrested 350 suspects matching his description.

77158 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to BecJT, 2, #526 of 1306 🔗

😂 😂 😂

77175 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to BecJT, 6, #527 of 1306 🔗

Mine was ;the suspect originally entered the bank without a mask but was refused entry so came back later with a mask

77142 nottingham69, 1, #528 of 1306 🔗

Richie Allen is brilliant picking up bits off the MSM and taking the piss. The one on Sunday and the after effects of CCP Virus is top notch. Does anybody really believe this fantasy?

77145 Bart Simpson, 5, #529 of 1306 🔗

The postcard from Aldeburgh is depressing. Like Cornwall, I get the impression that they’re determined to commit financial hara-kiri then when everything has been destroyed, you can bet that they will go bowl in hand to beg the Treasury for a bailout.

If I were Rishi Sunak I would tell them to take a hike.

77149 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #530 of 1306 🔗

Dr John Lee on top form from about 3 mins in


77150 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #531 of 1306 🔗

That GP afterwards though, GAH!!!

77160 bluemoon, replying to bluemoon, 25, #532 of 1306 🔗

A bedtime story for you:
“My fellow citizens, I have a short statement to make to you this evening. I am happy to announce that lockdown is over. There is now sufficient evidence that Covid 19 no longer presents a threat in Britain. All regulations relating to lockdown measures will cease as at noon tomorrow. I would like to thank our NHS heroes, indeed all our brave front line workers who have toiled so magnificently in order to bring us to this remarkable conclusion. That is all I have to say at this time.
So return to work, to your offices and factories, open up your social clubs and schools and sports facilities and churches and theatres and cinemas. Let us go forward and make Britain great again.”
Sweet dreams.

77164 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to bluemoon, 6, #533 of 1306 🔗

If only….

77178 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Carrie, 2, #534 of 1306 🔗

It’d be almost forgivable too…

77168 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to bluemoon, 7, #535 of 1306 🔗

One simply can’t imagine it ever happening. That’s the terrifying truth.

77183 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to bluemoon, 5, #536 of 1306 🔗

Sad thing is the BBC, ITV and Sky all think it’s an X rated horror film you’re describing there.

77188 ▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to OKUK, 1, #537 of 1306 🔗

Save your breath. Twitter hides inappropriate view points. A friend’s Wife was unable to see his tweet when pointed out a few facts to a hysterical bed wetter.

77184 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to bluemoon, 2, #538 of 1306 🔗

We just need to flood social media with this message, that’s where everyone gets their news, like a guerrilla propaganda campaign. They’ll think it’s true, and do it anyway.

Reading that made me happy, then made me sad, because it’s not going to happen, but appreciate the sentiment.

77243 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to BecJT, 3, #539 of 1306 🔗

Thank you. But that’s all it would take isn’t it? I’m not interested in blame, and accusations, and excuses. Just let it all be over.

77185 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to bluemoon, 19, #540 of 1306 🔗

I declared lockdown was over for me about 3 weeks ago. It’s a state of mind and I’m not playing along anymore. I haven’t watched TV for over two months and I’ve zero interest in seeing what’s on anymore. So far I’ve not been accosted for not wearing a mask but I’ve only made 3 supermarket visits since the mandatory mask order. Not got a lanyard, I’ll take whatever is coming to me. I’m also boycotting the shops and only purchasing staples and food. I’ll be writing to my MP later this week and I’ll be reading them the riot act, this whole charade has to be stopped!

77197 ▶▶ LuluJo, replying to bluemoon, 5, #541 of 1306 🔗

Hubby and I declared lockdown over on 23rd April, St George’s Day. That’s tells you just how long we’ve been sceptical! Felt great then, feels even better now.

77350 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to bluemoon, #542 of 1306 🔗

That announcement was penned in for April 12th but got binned when they realised how much they were enjoying their new powers (not sure who ‘they’ are though).

77166 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 42, #543 of 1306 🔗

First trip to the Nationwide Building Society today. Ridiculous emphasis on social distancing with only one cashier position open and only two customers allowed in at a time and then forced to stand a good 5m apart. I wasn’t challenged for not wearing a mask and I don’t wear my lanyard or tell people I’m exempt unless I’m challenged and nobody batted an eyelid nevermind challenged me.

The interesting bit was the queue. We had to queue quite some time and everyone was chatting about how awful masks were and how chaotic the government is. I was surprised how many people understood that the virus was not particularly harmful and no longer prevalent in the community. The general view was that people are wearing masks mainly to avoid censure from other people. Everyone said they were shopping less since masks were made compulsory. One lady observed that she was coughing a lot when she got home after wearing a mask and everyone was talking about the impracticality of changing them as regularly as was necessary. Everyone disapproved of kids being forced to wear them by some parents. We were queuing next to a pub with a huge glass conservatory: the ridiculousness of people wearing masks inside a bank while standing 5m apart on one side of us while people sat indoors at tables drinking without masks on the other side was lost on nobody. In my opinion the government is rapidly losing people but it just doesn’t know it yet.

77172 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 14, #544 of 1306 🔗

This just highlights the absurdity of it all and lends credence as to why the High Street is in such deep trouble. Not to mention why many people are actually wearing it – not because of the bollocks that they’re wearing it to protect others but to protect themselves from the Karens and Kevins in their midst.

It’s sad when people are terrified of others and shows how much the bonds between people have frayed and broken to the point that there is no longer any trust. And this trust will take years even decades to be regained.

TPTB should hang their heads in shame at the society they have created.

77226 ▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #545 of 1306 🔗

Hey, I’m a Kevin and a lockdown skeptic from the get go!!!

77244 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Moomin, 2, #546 of 1306 🔗

Apologies. I found the “Kevin” designation somewhere as a male equivalent of a “Karen”

77267 ▶▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #547 of 1306 🔗

I prefer Keith. Alas, didn’t catch on.

77322 ▶▶▶▶▶ Gossamer, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #548 of 1306 🔗

And I’m a Karen. My parents’ fault.

77270 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #549 of 1306 🔗

Pitting people against each other is part of the psyops. Who needs the government or the police to enforce the absurd mandates when you can enlist the very same people who are willingly giving up their rights? Report your neighbours and shame people for not following the rules — all part of the plan.

77277 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 3, #550 of 1306 🔗

This is what people are like with a not so deadly virus. Imagine how screwed up the world would be with anything more deadly.

77338 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #551 of 1306 🔗

I received two official documents from the Quebec government from Minister of Child Protection, one in English, later in French. How many thousands of copies of these messages were sent I do not know. Both messages urged people to let the government know if we saw any improper or suspicious behaviour from parents with their children. They provided a hotline phone number and guaranteed the caller(s) complete anonymity.

77348 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to richard riewer, 1, #552 of 1306 🔗

Like parents gagging their children with masks ?

77927 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to richard riewer, #553 of 1306 🔗

Call the number and say that you saw the Minister of Child Protection behaving suspiciously.

77372 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #554 of 1306 🔗

I can imagine even workplaces are like that. We have an OTT cleaning regime in my workplace and I minimise my use of the staff room as to avoid the zealots at work who can make one’s life hell and report you to management.

77347 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #555 of 1306 🔗

Another example of the brainwashing technique of getting the washee to agree to something they know to be a lie, or in this case to wear it.

77170 Mark II, replying to Mark II, 24, #556 of 1306 🔗

I’m in Western Norway on holiday at the moment, a country almost back to normal – and certainly closer to normal than we are in the UK. However, even over here where they never really had any issue, certainly don’t at the moment, there are still a couple of dopey things persisting, such as hand sanitizer absolutely everywhere, and people using it obsessively, and the markings/signs for 1m distancing.

I was delighted to be informed upon arrival on Saturday though that as of our arrival day, they no longer recommend (let alone mandate) wearing masks/coverings anywhere now, at least that’s what the bus rep announced when we got on. So at least in some countries sense prevails but also, crucially, their government seem to be making an effort to avoid needless draconian measures.

I did engage our hotel owner in a conversation in it and how we perceive the Norwegian reaction/efforts vs our own – he puts it down to them all (or at least a vast majority of Norwegians) believing what their gov says, and so when they said they had to do X, Y, Z, all citizens got on board with it instantly. Discussed a bit why, and it came down to that their government is basically more open and honest and so they have earned trust – something that of course UK governments have never done, as they forever seem to be trying to get one over on the population, coupled with our rabid media, which they also don’t have (apparently).

Such a nice get away though, to be away from the idiocy for a week.

77201 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Mark II, 2, #557 of 1306 🔗

Sounds nice on the other side of the “corona curtain” (as I like to put it). Might see if I can plot an escape at some point.

77285 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to DRW, 3, #558 of 1306 🔗

Scandinavia does look to be the place to go at the moment..

77339 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to DRW, #559 of 1306 🔗

Some people really missed the Iron Curtain so they put up a Corona Curtain in its place. Now they feel much better.

77180 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 15, #560 of 1306 🔗

Another new article on this issue. Must be important for herd immunity and partial resistance in the community explaining the wrong predicted horror scenario .
Selective and cross-reactive SARS-CoV-2 T cell epitopes in unexposed humans

“We demonstrate a range of pre-existing memory CD4+ T cells that are cross-reactive with comparable affinity to SARS-CoV-2 and the common cold coronaviruses HCoV-OC43, HCoV-229E, HCoV-NL63, or HCoV-HKU1. Thus, variegated T cell memory to coronaviruses that cause the common cold may underlie at least some of the extensive heterogeneity observed in COVID-19 disease.”

77189 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to swedenborg, 13, #561 of 1306 🔗

In other words a large proportion of the population was already effectively immune, from the off.

77237 ▶▶ Kristian Short, replying to swedenborg, 4, #562 of 1306 🔗

You’re the best. Indefatigable. Day in day out! Good one.

77242 ▶▶▶ nowhereman, replying to Kristian Short, 1, #563 of 1306 🔗


77245 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to nowhereman, 6, #564 of 1306 🔗

I’ll back that as well. Swedenborg consistently posts useful, interesting stuff here, and has been doing so for a long time.

77247 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Mark, 1, #565 of 1306 🔗

I’ll add myself to the list. Thanks Swedenborg.

77248 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #566 of 1306 🔗

This is one clap I’ll happily join. Always great stuff!

77278 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to PoshPanic, #567 of 1306 🔗

Second… er… fifthted.

77261 ▶▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Mark, 2, #568 of 1306 🔗

Would that be because he’s ….. Swedish?

Are you a man swedenborg? Hope so. Am picturing you as a blonde Adonis.

(can’t really use this an excuse any more can I ? #justaperve)

77281 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Farinances, 4, #569 of 1306 🔗

Maybe he’s the guy in the video strolling around wearing just the strategically misplaced facemask?

77300 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Mark, #570 of 1306 🔗

Oh man. I hope so.

77282 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, 8, #571 of 1306 🔗

Thanks for another link! This is very encouraging– it strongly implies that 20-50% of people have strong humoral cross-immunity to SARS2 from the other common cold coronaviruses.

This story started with Le Bert in Singapore who found T-cells reacting to funny parts of the virus, not the spike, in about 50% of people. There was speculation about what other viruses these might have come from– maybe it was some earlier related unknown strain, so maybe not everywhere in the world would have this immunity. There was talk of “immunological dark matter”.

Grifoni found a similar result in California, only they did detect some reaction against the spike. The spike is important because antibodies against the spike are more likely to be “neutralising”– in other words able to disable the virus just by sticking to it instead of just flagging it to get eaten by other immune cells.

Then, more recently, a team in London found actual neutralising antibodies, targeting a conserved part of the spike, especially in children, that also appeared to be derived from the known common cold coronaviruses. This was by far the best evidence yet of the best-case scenario: that the common cold gives you a high level of immunity. No mystery dark matter, just the common cold. But they didn’t find very many of these antibodies in older people.

We would expect to see actual antibodies in somebody who had had an infection in the last few months to a year, depending on the severity of the infection. But the memory T-cells, that are used to recreate those antibodies, last much longer. This study has demonstrated exactly those T-cells: they’re CD4+, which means they are part of the antibody (or “humoral”) system, and they react with conserved parts of the spike from other human coronaviruses.

They found more CD4+ just because that’s what they were looking for– not directly but by testing for “epitopes” (bits of the virus the antibodies and T-cell receptors stick to) of a particular size. There are likely CD8+ (“killer” or “cytotoxic”) T-cells present as well.

My theory as to why children have more of the actual antibodies is that simply because they are younger they had their first “ de novo” exposure to the common cold coronaviruses more recently, resulting in probably more symptoms, higher levels of antibodies, and stronger cross-immunity to SARS2.

The older you are the longer ago it was you first had these other human coronaviruses. You probably get reinfected with them now and again but less severely because of the existing memory.

How badly someone gets COVID-19 may just depend (among other factors) on how recently and how badly they were infected with one of these other coronaviruses, and perhaps which one, although it looks like they all have these spike epitopes in common.

77287 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to guy153, 6, #572 of 1306 🔗

When I was in my teens, 20s, and even into my 30s, I remember having frequent colds – several a year. Now I’m in my 60s I maybe get one a year, if that. Why do I hardly ever get colds now? I guess the question boils down to how long does “the memory” last – as you get older?

77289 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tenchy, 1, #573 of 1306 🔗

Most likely because you aren’t getting anything like the exposure to new colds that kids do at school, or just from playing and interacting with other children, and that young adults get from social and work interactions. Grandparents famously say they tend to get colds when the grandchildren come to stay.

77293 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tenchy, 1, #574 of 1306 🔗

Same here. Isnt it because there are a limited number of cold virus types- we work our way through them in our younger years developing immunity as we go.

77292 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to guy153, 9, #575 of 1306 🔗

Who’d have thought the human body could be so well adapted for survival.

77439 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #576 of 1306 🔗

Especially that it optimizes the survival of the young over the old. The viruses are evolving a bit all the time, so the more recently you first had them, the more up-to-date your memory is. I probably first had OC43 in the 1970s. OC43 mutates a bit, but my memory cells still work OK on it, so my immune memory doesn’t change much as I get reinfected with OC43 every few years.

Then SARS2 comes along and they wake up and start grumpily huffing about how viruses weren’t like this in my day, don’t tell me how to do my job I’ve been doing this for 40 years, kids these days don’t know anything, what’s an “ipod”, but maybe they don’t do so well on the new virus.

As for children, perhaps more recent versions of OC43 are more like SARS2, or, more likely, because they have less immune memory of everything, they’re a bit more biassed towards dealing with new things. Since the world they grow up in will contain descendents of SARS2 this is the future memory they are going to need.

I’m speculating that it works like this, but something like this would explain the monotonic relationship with age that we see, where the younger you are the better you seem to do against SARS2. Of course the really old are frail so they die (who knew) but we see an effect right across the age range, with people in their 30s a bit worse off than those in their 20s, etc.

77181 nowhereman, replying to nowhereman, 33, #577 of 1306 🔗

Sent this, as a third in a series of communications with my Lib Dem MP, after receiving bollocks responses before. Don’t expect it to change anything, except maybe introduce a flicker of doubt in her mind…

Dear XXX,

Thank you for your email. I would recommend that you dig a little deeper into the science. There has never been a successful vaccine against a respiratory coronavirus, including the common cold. That has never been eradicated. And the flu has never been eradicated, even with the existence of annual flu jabs.

The situation in England now is that the number of daily Covid related deaths is tiny in relation to daily deaths due to other causes. Just look at figure 1 from the NHS daily reports at:


The virus has all but gone from hospitals.

The number of reported “cases” however has not been reducing as quickly, or more recently at all, on the face of it. But a deeper dive into the reporting of case numbers actually shows that again in England the virus has almost disappeared, for example this from the University of Oxford:


More testing = more cases found, but the ratio is decreasing.

Finally, and most importantly perhaps, there are very significant issues surrounding the PCR tests employed, regarding false positives. If you only follow one link from my email, may I suggest you follow this one:


There is a critical need for Opposition to question the government’s reporting of statistics and interpretation of data. After all, it is this which determines if lockdowns are imposed, whether people lose jobs, if kids get educated, if cancer patients get treated, etc etc…

It seems there is a vacuum for a politician such as yourself to fill, and thereby make a significant name for themselves. If you are brave enough…

Yours etc…

77190 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to nowhereman, #578 of 1306 🔗

Letters to MPs do have an effect but don’t think your MP reads them necessarily. Most will be dealt with by interns and will include standard responses on various issues.

77199 ▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to OKUK, 1, #579 of 1306 🔗

Are MPs still doing virtual surgeries, on something else I’m involved in, if possible speaking to them directly with bullet points of what you want to say, is incredibly effective. can you get them on the phone?

77220 ▶▶▶▶ James007, replying to BecJT, 2, #580 of 1306 🔗

There was a comment ages back, (possibly from RDawg?) Who insisted on a phone call with the local MP, which was a positive experience.
With our MP I have tried that tactic of being very specific in my concerns, and made it relevent to local constituency issues – to try to make it harder to bat away.

77238 ▶▶▶▶▶ nowhereman, replying to James007, 1, #581 of 1306 🔗

Yes I think it was RDawg, I shall try something similar. My first boss used to tell me that a scatter-gun approach was sometimes needed to find the path that would make a difference. I have been pushing the false positive issue for a few weeks, now via different channels, trying to do my bit, as I’ve felt for a while that this could be the key to bring the whole edifice crumbling down….

77241 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to BecJT, 1, #582 of 1306 🔗

I think they’re all on staycation or something? Apparently they get paid every summer to not go into work, even though most of them still claim expenses for their best mates flat.

77192 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to nowhereman, 4, #583 of 1306 🔗

Great letter. You have certainly laid down the gauntlet in that last sentence!

77207 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #584 of 1306 🔗

Remember Humphrey in Yes Minister? The mist terrifying thing he could say to Hacker was ‘That was a very brave decision, Minister.’

77222 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to annie, 5, #585 of 1306 🔗

What a great series – timeless!

77265 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #586 of 1306 🔗

A curious point on Yes Minister and its look-alike The Thick Of It. A warning though – this thought may be ruinous overthinking – but as this is the internet why not!

The BBC is part of the propaganda wing of HMG. I am tempted to think of the BBC’s political satire as having some ‘function’. Both series are hilarious and hugely popular.

Once I heard a comment from a long forgotten voice that The Thick Of Its’ absurd storylines were an accurate portrayal of current politics. Seemingly predicting the next calamity to befall real life.

Was the function of the programmes to cast politicians as hapless, sometimes sweary, thickos? All of them generally trying to do good despite their character faults. Good comedy is powerful stuff.

Is it possible to some degree that people look on hancock, johnson and the rest as mistaken fools digging themselves deeper by the minute because of these programmes and this conditioning?

I perceive these politicians as mostly acting deliberately without mistake, coldly calculating. It is fair to say back benchers do seem to be there to make up the numbers.

I don’t mean to suggest liking these programmes is somehow unworthy. I realise many here are fully aware of how deeply bad things are. I am pondering a thought about the propaganda we have all been subjected to.

Has the BBC ever made a series about truly pyschopathic politicians?

77280 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Basics, 2, #587 of 1306 🔗

House of cards

77340 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basics, 3, #588 of 1306 🔗

I, Claudius. Rome was full of them.

77234 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to annie, 4, #589 of 1306 🔗

“Controversial only means this will lose you votes. Courageous means this will lose you the election”

77253 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Mark, 2, #590 of 1306 🔗

Nanny Doris (my new name taken from a commentator who called him this on Spiked) has been doing an awful lot of courageous things!

77256 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ruth Sharpe, #591 of 1306 🔗

Definitely. Now all we need is someone not utterly, contemptibly complicit in the coronapanic for him to lose to….

77496 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to nowhereman, #592 of 1306 🔗

great letter

77204 Cheezilla, 2, #593 of 1306 🔗

Carl Vernon: What is your self-worth?


77205 LuluJo, replying to LuluJo, 15, #594 of 1306 🔗

Reporting from the shopping front line. I’m genuinely exempt, but I’m also freedom exempt. Went shopping with the mother in law, sister in law, nieces and nephew today. All of them masked much to my disappointment, but I went mask free everywhere. No-one challenged, except one shop and I cheerily confirmed I was exempt and they were all fine, although the shop owner kept backing away when I got close. Not yet had to show my exemption card.

One shop even took our temperatures before we could go in(!) I politely asked ‘are you medically qualified to assess our temperature?’ The woman took a step back but didn’t miss a beat to reassure me she knew what temperature I should be before I stepped into her shop. I just laughed. One shop insisted we used hand sanitiser and then put on gloves – utterly ridiculous. I said I had my own sanitiser, took the gloves and shoved them in my pocket. No-one said anything.

Be confident, be polite, and the more of us that show mask free is possible and okay, the more people will be confident to do the same. This was in Northampton, signs at the side of the road on the way into town, saying ‘Cases are rising in this area. Is your journey really necessary?’ Anyone care to guess the testing is being ramped up and maybe Northampton is winding up to be another town on the list for local lockdowns?

77258 ▶▶ Bella, replying to LuluJo, 7, #595 of 1306 🔗

Is your journey really necessary? Doubt that they ask that when more people are dying of air pollution. How about ‘More people are dying every year from air contaminants. Is your journey really necessary?’ BTW, I have nothing against cars, I’m just using them as an example of the hypocritical insanity of it all.

77327 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bella, 1, #596 of 1306 🔗

Dying of air pollution is very iffy science. For example, they tend to say certain levels equals half a year off a life, then times it by the population of the area, and then divide by the average life span, then hey presto all these people being killed by air pollution.

77454 ▶▶ Fiat, replying to LuluJo, #597 of 1306 🔗

In a free country no journey is unnecessary….

77225 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 15, #598 of 1306 🔗


I haven’t counted how many times WHO changed opinion about the Swedish approach
“After several direct statements, the WHO appears to be a lockdown skeptic” – quote

 “What we at the WHO would invite countries is to do everything possible to not have these complete lockdowns… We think the Swedish approach has a lot going for it.” Dr David Nabarro

77233 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 16, #599 of 1306 🔗

Made a poster…

77441 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to PoshPanic, #600 of 1306 🔗

Very good. I’ve been wondering where that slogan has gone.

77264 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to swedenborg, 2, #601 of 1306 🔗

The WHO approach to dealing with a pandemic:

“Oh look that’s seems to work”

77345 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #602 of 1306 🔗

Someone with a political agenda: “No it doesn’t! ! No it doesn’t! !!!”

WHO : “Oh… no it doesn’t. “

77227 IMoz, 3, #603 of 1306 🔗

Sometimes it’s fun to entertain yourself with “mask” reviews on amazon: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/customer-reviews/R59FHRBLXF059/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_rvw_ttl

77246 annie, replying to annie, 23, #604 of 1306 🔗

My Muse
Has discovered clerihews,
And after some wallowing
Has come up with the following:

Of becoming Churchillian
Boris hasn’t a chance in a billion.
But he may succeed in his endeavour
To be the worst prime minister ever.

The Anglican church
Has left the faithful in the lurch.
It is so much less trouble to Zoom
From the comfort of your own living room.

(I would find the preceding odd
If I thought the clergy believed in God.
But since it is plain they do not,
It doesn’t astonish me one jot.)

Is not currently under much stress.
For your illness they care not a whit
If Covid-19 is not it.

If I understand the new rule,
Your children cannot go to school
If you dare to go to the pub
To eat government-subsidised grub.

Night night!

77249 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to annie, 7, #605 of 1306 🔗

Your clerihews
Help clear the blues.

77251 nowhereman, replying to nowhereman, 7, #606 of 1306 🔗

Deborah Cohen is also starting to question data accuracy…


77252 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to nowhereman, 3, #607 of 1306 🔗

Was just reading that, she’s the only decent thing coming out of the BBC alongside Nick Triggle.

77254 BecJT, #608 of 1306 🔗

For the chap who was asking, lockdown Law in the North is tomorrow, ie 12.01 tonight.



77268 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 7, #609 of 1306 🔗

Virgin Atlantic has filed for bankruptcy.

I wonder how many jobs are going to go with it?

77269 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #610 of 1306 🔗

I know of at least one of the many. A friend of a friend has recently been made redundant. He was a pilot with Virgin Atlantic. He’s now driving a Morrisons delivery van.

77275 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Tenchy, #611 of 1306 🔗

Crazy situation we are in.

77274 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 11, #612 of 1306 🔗

Just when you thought it couldn’t get any more kafkaesque in this mad country, get a load of this in The Telegraph (paywall, and surely clickbait – …)


Local authorities will be able to order the demolition of buildings at the centre of coronavirus outbreaks under draconian powers to contain a potential second wave.

Cars, buses, trains and aeroplanes could also be destroyed subject to the approval of magistrates.

Boris Johnson remains determined to avoid a second nationwide lockdown and has given a broad range of powers to local councils to contain outbreaks as soon as they are detected.

Belief is beggared to the ultimate.

77276 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to Tenchy, 15, #613 of 1306 🔗

You missed the important part:

Councils will be able to draw on six separate Acts of Parliament to impose lightning closures of public buildings, order mass testing , ban events or shut down whole sectors of the economy.

77344 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to IMoz, 1, #614 of 1306 🔗

But it won’t be elected councillors making those decisions rather the paid officials who will be revelling in their newfound powers to push people about.

77279 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Tenchy, 10, #615 of 1306 🔗

Of course the whole point is so that Boris doesn’t have to take personal responsibility for unpopular decisions.

77286 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Tenchy, 9, #616 of 1306 🔗

Prepare yourselves sceptics, things are going to get much worse before they get better and it’s going to take a long time. Mike Hearne’s blog post linked above nails the problem exactly. At the moment there’s no way out and there’s no reason why what’s happening in Australia won’t happen here. Hunker down friends we’re in for a long fight.

77307 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Achilles, 9, #617 of 1306 🔗

I’m afraid you’re right so I’m trying to figure out a way to stay sane for what is looking like the long haul. I had high hopes that people would get wise to the theatre and rationality would win the day. Now I realize that mass hysteria has taken hold and there is no quick way to break through the fear. If the politicians know the truth, they’ve dug themselves in too deep and will continue to double down on misery. I should have realized that once they, en masse, moved the goal posts from “flatten the curve” to “eradicate the virus” we were in deep shit.

77364 ▶▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 3, #618 of 1306 🔗

People still think low fat food is healthy, that calorie counting, eating only protein and taking supplements are all good for your health. The information is out there but they somehow manage to miss it. It can take decades for people to work shit out and a desire to investigate, of course. The difficulty with this situation is the falsification of data, because there isn’t even the chance that what is actually happening or not happening will be become apparent. They make up and obfuscate the truth to fit their plans so we just have to wait it out.

77400 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #619 of 1306 🔗

Yep. Unless someone with influence and power wakes up soon then it could be that martial law is coming down the tracks next, followed by re-education centres for us sceptics in the style of the Chinese camps that the meeja has been screaming about. It’s scary how nations slip into this pattern of mental illness despite the warnings of history.

77290 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Tenchy, 9, #620 of 1306 🔗

Boris seems to be turning into the mad Roman Emperor, Caligula. It probably won’t be long before he appoints his dog as his deputy. Come to think of it, his dog might be able to do a better job of running the country …

77358 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Tenchy, 5, #621 of 1306 🔗

I had trouble sleeping again last night. Unsurprising, considering the madness sweeping this country and the world. Yesterday I read something (on my phone, so no link, sorry) that said that the government was considering shutting down the entire transport network under some circumstances. No idea if that just means buses and trains or includes cars as well.

This reminds me of a Doctor Who episode where everyone in the world became a zombie drone in response to a tone from an app on their mobile. Only a few left unaffected. Where is the Doctor when you need him?

77283 Dave, replying to Dave, 3, #623 of 1306 🔗

From the world economic forum website “The Great Reset” 🤨

“As we enter a unique window of opportunity to shape the recovery, this initiative will offer insights to help inform all those determining the future state of global relations, the direction of national economies, the priorities of societies, the nature of business models and the management of a global commons. Drawing from the vision and vast expertise of the leaders engaged across the Forum’s communities, the Great Reset initiative has a set of dimensions to build a new social contract that honours the dignity of every human being.“


77284 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Dave, 3, #624 of 1306 🔗

From our point of view, it is the Great Resist.

77298 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Dave, 3, #625 of 1306 🔗

Sounds like a speech made by a cult leader.

77337 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Dave, #626 of 1306 🔗

Right out in the open and “they wouldn’t do such a thing!!”

77355 ▶▶ annie, replying to Dave, 4, #627 of 1306 🔗

I’m sure the people if Melbourne feel that their dignity is being well respected.

77588 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dave, #628 of 1306 🔗


77288 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #629 of 1306 🔗

Slight change of tone on Sweden in this article. Apparently it’s now worth keeping an eye on Sweden in case there’s something that can be learned there. The headline even suggests that it’s a surprise:

Good Covid-19 News From Italy…and Sweden The countries’ policies for taming the outbreak couldn’t have been more different, but their current success in avoiding a resurgence should be heeded.


77295 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #630 of 1306 🔗

I like the bit about ‘avoidance of flip-flops’, eg on mask wearing, ie consistency of message is important. Over to you Nanny Doris … which flip-flop are we wearing this week?

77296 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Nobody2020, 14, #631 of 1306 🔗

There is also a subtle change going on in the message with an increase in mentions of handwashing i.e. proper handwashing preferred to ineffective sanitiser.
They may have cottoned on to how Singapore got its Nosocomial infection rate down to statistical zero in March and decided about time they did that here as well.
So watch for the gradual downgrading of masks and social distancing bollocks as the reality bites that it has always been primarily contact transferred.

77297 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Nessimmersion, 9, #632 of 1306 🔗

*crosses all fingers, toes, earlobes and other flapping appendages*

77299 ▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Nessimmersion, #633 of 1306 🔗

Correlation isn’t necessarily causation, if you think soap is clean: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC241514

77301 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nessimmersion, 6, #634 of 1306 🔗

Contact or airborne? There’s a different study coming to a different conclusion every day! I think it’s contact (especially surface contact) leading to a big viral load that can prove fatal but airborne likely causing less severe forms. I think just about everyone not self isolating has been exposed to the airborne virus. If you don’t touch or rub your nose mouth area and if you wash your hands after being out and about you’re unlikely to get contact exposure. Of course wearing makes contact exposure much more likely.

77587 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OKUK, #635 of 1306 🔗

Gloves! ffs!

77368 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #636 of 1306 🔗

Could their current “success in avoiding a resurgence” be down to the same thing – herd immunity?

77412 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Julian, #637 of 1306 🔗

This seems most likely. That and summer conditions, people not being trapped in homes/buildings together etc

77483 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #638 of 1306 🔗

Holland is also doing well. No masks

77291 Ruth Sharpe, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 11, #639 of 1306 🔗

On a positive note, we have just got back from a very nice evening out with friends, having had a first curry at the local Indian since they’ve re-opened. After our very unpleasant experience last week at the local hotel, we were a bit apprehensive about going, but no problems whatsoever.

The owners have basically done the minimum they need to do should anyone in power go in to check, so apart from plastic screens between tables and the owners wearing masks (as loosely as possible), there was no difference between then and now. The menus are plastic covered, proper knives and forks, no contact tracing at all, although everyone paying by card, so we are traceable, and nothing said about wearing masks. I don’t even think they’ve reduced their capacity – just put screens up between tables.

I would say the majority of customers weren’t wearing masks, but a few did come in with masks on and when they sat down, they took them off, which I find completely ridiculous. I did see one man put his mask back on to go to the loo, which was funny, as he was probably the nearest customer in the restaurant to the loo door!

All in all, very sane and at least we know we have one place we can go out to without problems – unless Wee Krankie changes the goalposts again.

77336 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Ruth Sharpe, #640 of 1306 🔗

Great report Ruth!

77354 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 11, #641 of 1306 🔗

I think most people who work in shops, restaurants etc. only follow these lousy rules because they have to. Unfortunately, it makes town centres look so horrible that other people just son’t go there. Our county town us almost deserted, bristling with one-way signs, queue here signs (some hopes, there’s nobody to queue), keep your distance, stand apart, save lives … It doesn’t make me feel safe, it makes me feel sick.

A loss-lose situation all round, except for the Fascist cretins.

77356 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 2, #642 of 1306 🔗

Even the mask muppets ignore the Pedestrian one way signs, have done since day one.

77305 Maud Boggins, replying to Maud Boggins, 15, #643 of 1306 🔗

Masks, schmasks ….what a load of boll**s

I have never been greeted at my local Morrison’s with such welcoming delight and glee as I have since donning my exemption mask… to be honest it’s the same everywhere I go!

Do they feel sorry for me because they think I’m terribly disabled? If I’d have known I’d receive such smiles and pleasant treatment I’d have started walking with a limp years ago!

My guess is that they’re actually a little proud of the fact some of us have the balls to buck this appalling and disgusting attempt as mass mind control. It’s almost like they want to give a little fist pump when I approach the door. I was the ONLY person in there today without a mask. Nobody said a word or even looked disdainful… they actually looked like they felt a little bit dickheaded if anything … who was I to convince them otherwise?

So get lanyarded up people …. fight this burgeoning and illegal tyranny.

Finally … anyone who still thinks this debacle is down to this mere “incompetence” is living in a sodding dream world. Nobody could be this stupid. No group of people or politicians could be this stupid… when faced with so much science that contradicts their bull…. this is far from incompetence. I only wish it was. This is something far, far worse….as the playbook to come will reveal….

Fortunately for the UK we’ve been obsessed with fighting domestic terrorism and the ISIS bogeyman for the past 10 years so we’re now perfectly placed to deal with the shit storm Russia and China are unleashing on us …. NOT.

For those who own more than one property I strongly advise you sell one and learn to sail. Your future may depend on it.

Sweet dreams.

77309 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Maud Boggins, 8, #644 of 1306 🔗

I spent about 20 minutes today in the local Lidl’s with my wife. Both of us were unmasked and are pensioners, though are still fairly sprightly, We were the only unmasked customers I saw in this fairy busy store. The masked security man on the door followed us fairly closely for a couple of aisles, but scurried off when I turned toward him quite sharply and fixed him with a hard stare. But the masked checkout girl was pleasant enough. On the way out I smiled at the security man, who was back on post at the door. He may have smiled back, but hard to tell.

As for incompetence, Boris and co have it in spades, but like you I am firmly of the view that they are working to an outside agenda. The show of gross incompetence may simply be a way of distracting attention from those who are really in control. The chief suspect for me, is the vaccine king himself Bill Gates. This eugenicist and ardent advocate of depopulation by vaccination, could be just the front man for some even nastier people. We are in deep trouble, it almost goes without saying.

77317 ▶▶▶ Maud Boggins, replying to Rowan, 4, #645 of 1306 🔗

Careful Rowan… you wouldn’t want anyone to think you were some crazed conspiracy theorists now would you? Because mankind never did anything to control other members of mankind, or make stuff up to hide their fk ups, or seek total unbridled power and control, or to push their owner despotic warped agendas did they? Anyone who thinks mankind doesn’t conspire 1. Has never studied history and 2. Doesn’t understand humanity.

Boris may well just be a bunging buffoon… and may just be the puppet …who knows. But like you said … shadowy characters and motives are not too far away… otherwise why make so much effort to censor and silence people? Fauci has his filthy mitts all over a vaccine. The Vaccine Antichrist himself Kill Gates as you said freely admits to wanting billions less folk in the world and is the architect of Agenda 21. If Hitler had said he wanted less Jews then they all started dying mysteriously would we have ignored it? Suggested it may be a coincidence? It’s risible. You couldn’t make this stuff up. People have literally lost their critical faculties and have become completely unable to scrutinise objectively for fear of being labelled a nut. Like any trail of death you follow the M O N E Y … as the Met.

The naivety of those who think this is just Bungling Bojo and a series of comedic errors headed up by the WHO staggers me daily. Wake up people.

Fight the good fight Rowan. Keep those stares up.

77342 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Maud Boggins, #646 of 1306 🔗

follow the M O N E Y
That’s what Deep Throat said in ‘All the President’s Men’

77343 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Rowan, 1, #647 of 1306 🔗

Somebody posted much earlier today with a link to a site (WHO ?) showing that 190 Governments had signed up to a scheme to get us to accept the vaccine the same way worldwide.

77335 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Maud Boggins, 12, #648 of 1306 🔗

Manufactured incompetence.

Care home carelessness makes up for the majority of deaths, from the UK, to the USA and up in Canada too. We over on this side of the Atlantic had time to learn everything from what was taking place in Italy and none of our expert medical professionals were in constant contact with their European counterparts in preparation for the virus’ arrival here? Nobody initiated a successful plan to protect the care homes full of vulnerable seniors? We had many weeks to prepare!! Send the infected back to their care homes and leave the hospitals clear for those who have a better chance of survival? Ah, yes on the last one…that’s what we’ll do!

Imagine trying to ram this naked Tyranny down our throats without the care home body count to inflate the fear and get people’s eyes bulging

77353 ▶▶ annie, replying to Maud Boggins, 8, #649 of 1306 🔗

Does the sight of all those faceless zombies give world leaders a pleasant feeling of absolute power? Like a nasty child torturing helpless animals?
Must do. It’s the next best thing to a perpetual boot stamping on a human face. The difference us that it’s impossible to make people stamp on their own faces.

77385 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Maud Boggins, 1, #650 of 1306 🔗

I’m not yet convinced of conspiracy, although it gets more plausible over time. Most likely is initial criminal incompetence of both the government and corrupt scientists (corrupted by chasing funding at the expense of independence).

Now it is evil arse covering where they will gladly push everyone else down into the quicksand to save their psychopathic arses for another moment.

Gates and his minions are trying to exploit the situation now, but they are just exploiting an opportunity for their bond-villian motivations.

77435 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #651 of 1306 🔗

One verified example of conspiracy.
WHO admitted they changed their advice on face masks due to political pressure,this was aired on news night a few weeks ago.We then have masks mandated due to the change in WHO guidance.

77523 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #652 of 1306 🔗

I see what you are saying, but that can still also be potentially be explained by arse-covering. Everyone who has fucked up (and that is pretty much everyone involved) is in a pretty precarious situation where they could be exposed very easily. So they all have to to conspire to hide the truth. So it is a conspiracy but at this time likely with simple, selfish, psychopathic motivations, rather than motivations to cull the population (aka Gates). It does however leave them totally vulnerable to the likes of Gates who can now extort them.
I’m not sure about any of it, and many of our theories are possible. However to me, this seems like the most likely reason, and it fits in with my real-world experience of absolute incompetence, psychopathy and stupidity at the top of every organisation.

77448 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Maud Boggins, #653 of 1306 🔗

The psychopaths (who aren’t stupid) are telling the politicians what to do

77478 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Maud Boggins, #654 of 1306 🔗


we’re now perfectly placed to deal with the shit storm Russia and China are unleashing on us …. NOT.

I previously posed the question: ‘how badly has China’s economy been affected by Covid-19 measures’? My view not really that bad.

We decimated our economy and has ‘no fat’ left to fight for our Country if we have to…. An easy takeover if a nation is on it’s knees.

77308 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #655 of 1306 🔗

I like to check in on British Columbia every so often as their approach is very similar to that of Sweden. 146 new cases, no panic, schools to re-open and no compulsory masks.

B.C. announces 146 new COVID-19 cases since Friday, no new deaths

77334 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Nobody2020, 9, #656 of 1306 🔗

Yep I feel lucky to be here – mask wearing is still well below 50% in the stores I visit. There has been the slight increase of absurd outside mask wearing but it’s not too prevalent. I just plod along like nothing’s changed. Not seeing the faces of the pretty gals working in the restaurants is about the only downside.

Some golf courses never closed…gov’t suggested I stay home so I went to my home away from home and played 18 every weekend.

Hoping you lot can get outta this mess soon

77349 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Eddie, 3, #657 of 1306 🔗

I just hope Bonnie Henry stays the course no matter how many new “cases” there are. The only sane place left in Canada! I know those of you in BC think it sucks being in Ontario at the best of times, but it truly sucks now! I used to love it here.

77310 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 6, #658 of 1306 🔗

Remember when we were told that this would only last three weeks? That was 18 weeks ago!

77311 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to richard riewer, 4, #659 of 1306 🔗

I think we are more like 20 weeks in now, but certainly far more than the original three weeks and we will review the situation.

77315 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to richard riewer, 6, #660 of 1306 🔗

10 more weeks to go. “When days turns into weeks…the horror returns”

77319 richard riewer, 1, #661 of 1306 🔗

Neurotic, psychotic hypochondriacs.

77320 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #662 of 1306 🔗

Has anyone here checked the news from Melbourne, Australia?

77328 ▶▶ Gossamer, replying to richard riewer, 2, #663 of 1306 🔗

Ever more grim. But this Twitter page gives me hope:


77361 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Gossamer, 1, #664 of 1306 🔗

“The fear of people finding out they’ve been tricked is keeping them silent. What a travesty”

Spot on.

77466 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Gossamer, 1, #665 of 1306 🔗

Great Twitter handle RiseUpMelbourne. Lockdown Truth to look at Rise Up UK or something similar name

77330 Gossamer, replying to Gossamer, 15, #666 of 1306 🔗

This is an appalling piece in Forbes. It maintains that we should question nothing.

“It’s part of why scientific consensus is so remarkably valuable: it only exists when the overwhelming majority of qualified professionals all hold the same consistent professional opinion. It truly is one of the most important and valuable types of expertise that humanity has ever developed.”

To which I can think of at least 5 responses off the top of my head:

1. Miasma theory.

2. Aspirin poisoning during the Spanish flu – caused by medical professionals recommending doses which are now known to be toxic.

3. Low-fat diets.

4. The intellectual inferiority of women.

4. Time being a constant (in Newtonian physics).

And so on…


77346 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Gossamer, 12, #667 of 1306 🔗

This really says it all:

According to a recent study by Johns Hopkins, more than 250,000 people in the United States die every year because of medical mistakes , making it the third leading cause of death after heart disease and cancer.

And that’s in a non-Covid world! Where’s the 24/7 news reporting on every death due to medical error??? Why haven’t people been terrified to go to the hospital pre-Covid? OK, I’ve always been terrified to go to the hospital, but clearly it’s a rational fear. There are many things to raise hell about that kill more people than this virus ever could. But don’t question “the science!”

77597 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #668 of 1306 🔗

Jon Rappoport has been highlighting this fact for years.

( http://www.nomorefakenews.com ).

77352 ▶▶ annie, replying to Gossamer, 8, #669 of 1306 🔗

Good God. What cretinous ignorance. They cannot be serious.
The entire medical profession was wring about pretty well everything from Hippocrates until the mid nineteenth century.
So was every astronomer from Ptolemy to the time of Galileo.
And every natural scientist. who, before Darwin snd Russel Wallace, wondered how and why species developed.

77363 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Gossamer, 5, #670 of 1306 🔗
  1. Animals are simple machines, which don’t feel pain.
  2. Thalidomide for expectant mothers.
  3. The use of bleeding and purging to treat infections.
  4. Widespread repudiation of Semmelweis’s use of aseptic technique in maternity hospitals.
77398 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 3, #671 of 1306 🔗

Yeah. Doctors used to go from maternity case to maternity case without even washing their hands, spreading a hideous killer called puerperal fever.
First doctor to cut maternal mortality to zero by washing hands and instruments, I think he was a Scot, was derided and hazed by the entire medical profession.

77407 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to wendyk, 1, #672 of 1306 🔗

Forgot to add at 5. The sun orbits the earth; the earth is at the centre of the universe.

77428 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to wendyk, 1, #673 of 1306 🔗

Tosh. Any fule kno that the universe is Fergusso-centric.

77375 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Gossamer, 6, #674 of 1306 🔗

You’re right. It makes me want to vomit.

An example I would use is that of the driverless car. Scientists who are involved in the development of the driverless car are firmly in favour of driverless cars. In fact, among them there is a ‘consensus’ that they are a jolly good thing. Other scientists with interests in, say, climate change, may see an opportunity to ‘leverage’ the interest in driverless cars and get some funding for their own research, and they, too, become part of the ‘consensus’. Politicians who love the idea and think it will be popular, become obsessed with it.

A typical member of the public has no clue as to the mechanisms a driverless car might use to detect pedestrians, cyclists, or other cars, and I think this is the level of ignorance versus ‘expertise’ that the Forbes article is referring to.

But where the public’s ‘research’ comes into its own is when the government/media want to change everyone’s life to accommodate driverless cars because the scientific ‘consensus’ says they’re a good thing. Perhaps they want to create dedicated roads for driverless cars (because interacting with other road users doesn’t work), or they are preparing to condition the public to accept high rates of casualties, or that normal access to our roads should be restricted; that we must all wear special beacons to avoid being hit. Or they are preparing to indemnify autonomous car manufacturers, placing the burden of risk on the public purse. The public may have strong views on whether autonomous cars should protect their own occupants, or those of other vehicles or pedestrians in the event of an unavoidable crash – and this may oppose the ‘scientific consensus’. Perhaps the government is going to use public money to subsidise already-wealthy people’s purchase of such a vehicle. The public may smell a rat when it comes to the financial deals going on. Is a former computer tycoon, now ‘philanthropist’, funding everyone involved in the whole enterprise?

The Forbes article says that every concern in the previous paragraph is worthless. We should just roll over and take no view on any of it.

In fact, I think the situation with Covid is worse than that. I truly believe that individual members of the public have a better handle on some of the scientific aspects of the Covid epidemic than many SAGE members. I think it is easily demonstrated that Neil Ferguson et al. are using a model so simple and so flawed that anyone with an open mind can see it. But that professional immunologists defer to epidemiologists and vice versa. Only someone outside the field can see the problem.

Individuals were even ahead of Professor Heneghan when it came to intuition/analysis that the deaths figures were inflated, and that the latest ‘surges’ and ‘spikes’ are ‘artefactual’ results of increased testing.

77609 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #675 of 1306 🔗

Whenever I hear the phrase “scientific consensus”, I know I’m being sold a pup. No such thing as a scientific consensus.

77403 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Gossamer, 2, #676 of 1306 🔗

To be fair to Newton he was right for nearly all practical circumstances. Stomach ulcers is a good contemporary case.

77423 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Gossamer, 2, #677 of 1306 🔗

Helicobacter pylori (H. pylori) bacteria causes stomach ulcers – 2 brave Australian doctors eventually got the Nobel prize for this, in the 80s (?), up till then medics pooh -poohed it.

77434 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Gossamer, 5, #678 of 1306 🔗

Continental drift/tectonic plates – for years, pilloried by almost all geologists.

77341 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 6, #679 of 1306 🔗

I have just received a round robin text from my GP Surgery.
“…please note Online Consultation is now available for children aged between 6 months and 16 years of age. The consulter must be parent or legal guardian”.

“Hello Doctor its the baby she looking a bit peaky”
‘Can you be more specific mrs O’Virus’

“Not really doctor its just she dont look well and like I said she’s perky I mean peeky…”

77351 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 3, #680 of 1306 🔗

‘I’ll need to speak to her,, can you put her in to me, please?’

77359 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 4, #681 of 1306 🔗

“yo doc hows it hangin bro its me sis sick innit”
‘Please put mrs O’Virus back on the keypad, I can only consult with the mother’
“but me mum is crap wiv computers doc”

77371 ▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to karenovirus, 3, #682 of 1306 🔗

Can be useful . Certainly a video consult of a child and parent will help tell you if they need to be seen now in the surgery or can wait . I always remember from paediatrics the consultant came on the ward and said that child is sick , pointing to a cot in the distance. it is a skill which comes with experience.

77396 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Peter Thompson, 2, #683 of 1306 🔗

Sorry, but if the child wasn’t sick, the child wouldn’t be ‘on the ward’ !!

77357 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 17, #684 of 1306 🔗

“What is a dental aerosol and why do they pose a risk?

A dental aerosol is an aerosol that is produced from dental instruments like scalers, dental handpieces, three-way syringes and other high-speed instruments.

Dentists who treat patients using aerosols are at risk, alongside their dental assistants and their patients.

Most risk occurs from splatter and droplet transmission to dentist and assistant, as well as the nasal area of the patient.”

Official guidance, see above.

For dentally challenged sceptics here in Sturgeon- land

Be afraid, be very afraid: dental aerosols produce droplets- who’d have guessed?

She Who Must Be Obeyed has now, apparently, given our dentists permission to start using drills from August 17th; why the 17th?

Of course, if dentists and their teams suddenly collapse mid procedure, and a ‘spike’ occurs, we shall once more be forced to rely on DIY dental repair kits: I’ve just bought my second one.

This is bonkers!

Every year the flu comes to call, dentists practise as normal, and all NHS dentists are obliged to provide emergency cover at local hospitals, where they attempt to treat those with alarming levels of decay and oral infection, yet they survive these challenges unscathed, while now their services are drastically constrained by ‘the science’.

In my darker moments, of which there are many, I fantasise that our so called leaders will lose all their teeth and end up with full sets of Covid proof dentures!

Perhaps that’s another reason for the gagging propaganda: masks conceal decay and tooth loss.

77362 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to wendyk, 5, #685 of 1306 🔗

I think the rules are unchanged here in England. I’ve postponed my regular appointment until September. Looking at postponing again if these stupid restrictions aren’t lifted.

77369 ▶▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to ConstantBees, 8, #686 of 1306 🔗

Private dentists have been drilling for over a month in England and some courageous dentists have been drilling in England since May. These hardy few deserve an OBE .
A few NHS dentists in England are drilling . Some have taken early retirement.

77379 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Peter Thompson, #687 of 1306 🔗

A family member had drilling done privately in England many weeks ago; however, she had to endure the insertion of a rubber bung to seal off the oral cavity.

Nevertheless, the procedure was successful.

Yes, these dentists do deserve OBEs.

77387 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #688 of 1306 🔗

I was due for my usual check up last June but have decided to just postpone until this insanity is over. Plus I was told that I would be way bottom of the list anyway.

77393 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #689 of 1306 🔗

I was due a checkup, but I’ll wait till my teeth fall out rather than comply with this bullshit.

77422 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to annie, 1, #690 of 1306 🔗

Oh, please don’t! I’d hate to think of all us sceptics having to go around with crappy teeth. I went as soon as I could.

77513 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to wendyk, 1, #691 of 1306 🔗

We were told last night that our local dentists have gone on holiday! Certainly no-one answering the phone!

77569 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to wendyk, 2, #692 of 1306 🔗

The rules for dentists is INSANE. I can’t believe they are still going along with them. Crazy bastards.

77366 Tim Bidie, 5, #693 of 1306 🔗

Can you die from a common cold?

‘…. infection with rhinovirus or one of the other viruses responsible for common cold symptoms can be serious in some people. Complications from a cold can cause serious illnesses and, yes, even death – particularly in people who have a weak immune system.’

‘Some viruses, such as adenovirus, can also cause symptoms throughout the body, including the gastrointestinal tract, the urinary tract and the liver.’

‘…rhinovirus has been shown to increase the presence of a receptor called PAF-r in lung cells. This can allow bacteria, such as Streptococcus pneumoniae , to bind more effectively to the cells, increasing the likelihood of it leading to a severe condition like pneumonia.’

‘Older people are more likely to develop a more serious infection compared with adults or older children.’

‘… people with asthma, cystic fibrosis or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD). Infection with a virus that causes inflammation of the airways can make breathing much harder. People with COPD who catch a mild cold virus are also at risk of developing a bacterial infection.’

One of the best ways to avoid catching a cold is to wash your hands properly…..For viral infections, prevention is key.’

The Conversation Dec 2019

‘… look at the fatality rate outside of Wuhan – it’s below 1%. The correct comparison is not SARS or MERS but a bad cold which kills people who already have other health issues. This virus will burn itself out in May when temperatures rise. Wash your hands.’

Prof John Nicholls University of Hong Kong, Coronavirus expert 06 Feb 2020

Hong Kong deaths covid 19: 42

Most important is stopping the transmission from hospital to nursing home……We do a very good job on isolation. Once we have any person infected we isolate them in hospital for three months’

Prof Terry Lum University of Hong Kong 19 May 2020

77367 Winston Smith, replying to Winston Smith, 6, #694 of 1306 🔗


Right, can everybody stop discussing/arguing about mask, PCR tests, numbers etc.

I read this in the Coronavirus Bill back in March, it was there! I can’t believe that I was the one who read in full (maybe I was…..). I told everybody I new about this, saying, “This isn’t about a virus!”.

Your duty is now to tell everyone you know about this, and no, this isn’t the Daily Mail making stuff up.

77376 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Winston Smith, 3, #695 of 1306 🔗

erm… I think the buldozing buildings will have come from plague planning years ago incase the plague can lie dormant waiting for a passing victim.

The longest I’ve heard our nasty cough virus can linger without a host is 3 days, so no need for buldozers, just leave the place empty for a few days.

If the Bojo the clown show is working to a plan – its brilliantly disguised.

77381 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Major Panic, 2, #696 of 1306 🔗

I think the plan is to stay in power as long as possible by whatever means present themselves and to preserve his legacy and place in history

77386 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Julian, 3, #697 of 1306 🔗

His legacy is fcuked – once this situation is examined in years to come after the dust settles

77389 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Major Panic, #698 of 1306 🔗

If they ever go at this rate!

77420 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Major Panic, 2, #699 of 1306 🔗

His legacy might be screwed, though maybe not in his lifetime, or in his head.

I don’t think he’s doing a particularly slick job of appearing as the saviour of the nation. I expect even people who broadly buy into the narrative are wondering what harebrained contradictions they will come out with next.

77382 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Major Panic, #700 of 1306 🔗

so why was it in the Coronavirus Bill?

77394 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #701 of 1306 🔗

because of plague planning in the past, thought i’d said that, it was generic

77390 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Major Panic, 3, #702 of 1306 🔗

They used to do it to contain fires. A house in Cambridge has metal rings under the roof line so they could lodge hooks and heave.
Wait and watch zombies demolishing their own homes!

77402 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Major Panic, 1, #703 of 1306 🔗

The closing lines of ‘The Plague’ make this dormnt infection point, I’m becoming more convinced every day that Cummings is using it as a script, so many strange parallels.

77455 ▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Major Panic, 1, #704 of 1306 🔗

I love the demolish to decon idea—why bother with far saner and cheaper h2o2 and formaldehyde gas! :rolleyes:

77378 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Winston Smith, #705 of 1306 🔗

Shocking but more misdirection?

77380 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to DRW, #706 of 1306 🔗

Care to elaborate?

77391 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Winston Smith, #707 of 1306 🔗

Talking up “BIG POWERS” to keep the sheeple afraid and distract from other things.

77401 ▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to DRW, 2, #708 of 1306 🔗

I have no idea what you are talking about?

I’m incredulous that nobody, not one journalist, not one MP, not one person and any background, has actually read the Coronavirus Bill.

If my memory serves me, page 45, the power to ‘destroy any building or conveyance’, for a virus. Not the plague, a fire or anything else. The Coronavirus.

77405 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Winston Smith, #709 of 1306 🔗

‘the’ coronavirus?

77406 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Major Panic, #710 of 1306 🔗

Yes, ‘The Coronavirus’. That was what they called the bill, ‘The Coronavirus Bill’.

77409 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Winston Smith, #711 of 1306 🔗

Oh, so its the common cold and other coronaviruses bill not the covid19 bill

77419 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Major Panic, #712 of 1306 🔗

Did you actually read the bill?

77477 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Winston Smith, #713 of 1306 🔗


77413 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Winston Smith, 5, #714 of 1306 🔗

I give up. The more we argue or opine and examine every small detail, we are missing the point. The story in the Mail has a lot of comments saying that it’s made up, trying to scare people. I was scared when I read it in the ‘Coronavirus Bill’, nobody really cared. They are caring now.

A unity of purpose is needed now. A clear message is needed, precise and concise.

The problem is, nobody really cares.

77373 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 2, #715 of 1306 🔗

For an interview on Radio 4 completely without interruption or criticism listen to Prof. Neil Ferguson being interviewed this morning at about 7:35.
Even with the unbelievable level of policy error and misreporting of deaths by our government we were still a factor of ten shy of his modelling predictions that freaked out our leaders!

77408 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Bill Hickling, 2, #716 of 1306 🔗

Still talking out of his arse!

77436 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Bill Hickling, #717 of 1306 🔗

Heard it the guy is clearly bought. The two women on Today programme are worse than useless, not fit for purpose as journalists or broadcasters but they will do as they are told I am sure. Robinson is just about ok, in that he will ask questions that don’t fit the BBC narrative but his appearances get less and less.

77452 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Bill Hickling, 4, #718 of 1306 🔗

Why is he STILL getting airtime?!

77374 ambwozere, replying to ambwozere, 18, #719 of 1306 🔗

On Simon Dolan’s twitter feed, looks like the appeal of the court case will now be heard.

Judge has acknowledged that these were the most serious impositions on freedoms.


77426 ▶▶ IanE, replying to ambwozere, 4, #720 of 1306 🔗

I see that halfway down the replies, he promises “some good news later today”!!!

77432 ▶▶▶ ambwozere, replying to IanE, 1, #721 of 1306 🔗

Yes I saw that too, will be interesting to see what that news is.

77544 ▶▶ matt, replying to ambwozere, 6, #722 of 1306 🔗

The courts are absolutely vital here for protecting our future at least as much as for correcting the present or addressing the mistakes of the recent past. The kind of executive overreach we’ve seen in the last months needs to be found to be unlawful, or we risk it happening again (and maybe even worse).

In terms of where we are today, a judge finding against the government could be the exactly the excuse the government needs to drop everything and let everyone get on with getting back to normal along with a set of recommendations and voluntary guidelines. “Not us, folks, the judge said so” is ideal. Assuming you’re in the camp that says they’ve dug themselves in to deep and don’t know how to get out. At the same time, if it is a totalitarian takeover, going against the decisions of the courts will at least bring it out into daylight, no question.

I’d be perfectly happy with the mob shouting “à la lanterne!” but if we can get back to normal and leave it to future historians to judge the depths of the failure, I’ll take it for now.

77558 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to matt, 1, #723 of 1306 🔗

In sailing terms: “Take what you can, give nothing back.”
(This refers to sailing close-hauled, or as close to the wind as possible, not to utter selfishness.)

77645 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Nick Rose, #724 of 1306 🔗

Yes, like swimming into a tide. You just keep buggering on till you get through it.

77377 DRW, replying to DRW, 6, #725 of 1306 🔗

I really want to believe the “tide is turning”- but is it really? Past claims have come to nothing and I fear the majority are just that brainwashed.

77383 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to DRW, 4, #726 of 1306 🔗

quite simply the problem is the media, while they continue with project fear and refuse to investigate and report on reality the people are going to remain in a state of irrational fear…..

77397 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Major Panic, 3, #727 of 1306 🔗

And apart from the fallout from furlough ending I can’t see how that will stop.

77418 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to DRW, 7, #728 of 1306 🔗

Pieces by Littlejohn and Kavanagh strongly criticising the government line would surely have been unthinkable at the start of this.

The tide is turning, it’s just excruciatingly slow, and I don’t think we’ll see a realistic assessment in my lifetime of the depth of the mistakes and deception. The best we can hope for is that fatigue sets in and people slowly forget about it.

77433 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Julian, 3, #729 of 1306 🔗

As I told Mr Bart, much as it pains me to say this, the only way this will end is by violence.

The government has lost the plot a long time ago and has shown that they can’t be reasoned with. Rioting between this month and October can only be the start

77473 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #730 of 1306 🔗

During the brexit debate the remainers could organise huge marches through London, but the brexiteers only managed small rallys. Yet the silent majority won. (same as with the last election)
Maybe the BLM protests are tolerated as a distraction to the easily mobalised mob, keeping them ocupied with non covid stuff. The people who think the whole covid reaction is bonkers just arn’t the demonstrating types on the whole

77533 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Major Panic, 3, #731 of 1306 🔗

I agree. But at some point, there will be the tipping balance. They’re already unable to stem the tsunami of job losses and it will get worse come 8 August.

As more and more of the silent majority vote with their feet and wallets, its baffling that the government is still not listening. Perhaps those who are prepared to take matters into their own hands will wake the government up.

77551 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #732 of 1306 🔗

This is the trouble with top-down governing. In the olden days, MPs went to their constituencies at the weekend, held their surgeries, and reported back to the leadership (of their own party, at least). MPs had at least a little finger on the pulse of what the country was thinking.

I don’t know when that tide changed, perhaps it began to change as early as the 1970s, but has certainly changed by 1990. Now MPs take their party (or government) message to the constituencies and the political class has become estranged from the electorate.

Whichever side of the political divide we stand on, this is something that needs to be changed back. Governments will always govern by policy and manifesto, but they do not need to lose sight of what the people are thinking and saying. And polls just do not cut the mustard.

77683 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #733 of 1306 🔗

Well said. The government and the MPs are now so disconnected from their constituencies and the public. You know that something has gone wrong when our elected representatives are so remote they’re from another planet compared to those MPs in the past even if they’re aristocratic they seemed to have at least a sense of working for their constituents and knowing what they’re thinking and feeling.

77541 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, 1, #734 of 1306 🔗

The dam might also suddenly burst. More people are waking up, though admittedly a lot of those are stood in no-man’s land, wondering still which way to face. Sadly, I feel there will be riots at the very least. A shame, because it had no need to come to this.

77449 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to DRW, #735 of 1306 🔗

Until the BBC change their stance, I don’t think anything will change.

77384 Hammer Onats, replying to Hammer Onats, 9, #736 of 1306 🔗

My God, the BBC actually has a sensible story for a change. Nick Triggle must be one of the few journalists at the BBC with an enquiring mind. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53656852

77392 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Hammer Onats, 1, #737 of 1306 🔗

In what sense is it sensible?

77738 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Winston Smith, #738 of 1306 🔗

Exactly. The article does admit some contrary information, but by and large it follows the official exaggerated narrati

77395 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Hammer Onats, 2, #739 of 1306 🔗

Very good, with the slight exception of the fact that he quotes Prof Heneghan but doesn’t take his conclusions all the way. He still thinks that ‘Blackburn has the highest level of infection’ when, in fact, it may just be false positives. It is entirely possible that the virus has left the UK completely .

77399 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #740 of 1306 🔗

Is that the new one? We’ve had deaths, the aaRgh number, “cases” and now “infection level”. Which will probably soon be extended tp cover all testing pillars.

77410 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Hammer Onats, 3, #741 of 1306 🔗

Nice to see the BBC, for once, not ignoring the facts that have been staring them in the face for weeks now.
Can we dare to hope for a stream of “it’s over, why aren’t we getting back to normal” stories?

77421 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #742 of 1306 🔗

A couple of decent front pages today, plus this from the Children’s Commissioner:

The briefing paper calls for the regular testing of pupils and teachers, so any confirmed Covid-19 cases – and their close contacts – can be isolated “without necessarily having to send entire classes or year groups home”.
It adds: “This will be particularly important in the 2020/21 winter flu season when clusters of flu could be mistaken for a Covid-19 outbreak and result in unnecessary closure or interruption.”

77458 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #743 of 1306 🔗

Well yes, but she also seems well bought in to the ridiculous false choice between opening up pubs and opening schools, insisting schools must stay open at the expense of other venues – more nonsense from this government, intent on muddying the waters.

77474 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Bruno, #744 of 1306 🔗

There has to be nasty medicine in order to get the sweety, doesn’t there?

77743 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bruno, #745 of 1306 🔗

It’ s still f.ing nut- job stuff.

Schools just need to be OPEN.

77463 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Sam Vimes, #746 of 1306 🔗

erm… are the young not more at risk from flu?

77467 ▶▶▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Major Panic, #747 of 1306 🔗

Just another case where the jobsworths can’t tell the difference between an infection and risk to life

77559 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BTLnewbie, #748 of 1306 🔗

Not until there is a vaccine. The Evil Bastards.

77414 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Hammer Onats, 2, #749 of 1306 🔗

He has been one of the better ones, with a bit of balance. Him and Deborah Cohen. Can’t think of anyone else I’d save.

I’d give this report maybe 5 or 6 out of 10. He doesn’t explain what Track and Trace is achieving, and also deoesn’t explain why local lockdowns are a sign of strength, or why finding more “cases” of healthy people who test positive for something is in any way useful.

But it’s upbeat, and it does show a nice graph demonstrating that the % of those being tested showing as positive isn’t increasing (though he then doesn’t connect this to the obvious conclusion that the local lockdowns were not necessary and were on the back of manufactured “spikes”).

77438 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Hammer Onats, 3, #750 of 1306 🔗

Yes good to see someone at the BBC daring to raise a query, to be fair to him if he had gone any further he would probably have been fired.
Overall the lack of challenging and questioning from any journalists has been appalling. Everyone seems to accept that testing is a good thing, ironically better testing at the start would have been helpful but at this stage I wonder if it is counterproductive, just adding petrol to the fire. What do we want all these test results for? a bit of the Nelson touch is needed at this stage. I have just belt sanded the hall floor, if you crawl across the floor with a magnifying glass you can still see sanding marks but as my wife says if you walk across the floor like a normal person it looks really good, sometimes it pays to stop looking.

77445 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #751 of 1306 🔗

When the boards were pulled up, they were found to not be sanded on the bottom. This was then found to have spread to every house in the street. All houses must now have their floors removed and the street must be closed to traffic…

77442 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Hammer Onats, #752 of 1306 🔗

Triggle has been pretty balanced throughout this whole fiasco. There has been some good reporting elsewhere too, but it’s been drowned out by “Project frighten and divide”. I tried to share a few of his articles with friends early on, in the hope they might look at the reality…nada, zilch

77459 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Hammer Onats, #753 of 1306 🔗

Will this make today’s TV news bulletins I wonder?

77509 ▶▶ hat man, replying to Hammer Onats, #754 of 1306 🔗

Yes it is good to see this on the BBC, especially the important admission that ‘the number of tests being carried out is … being targeted at areas where infection rates are highest.’ In other words, even the rate of positive cases is being manipulated to suit the agenda.

77388 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 8, #755 of 1306 🔗

Cervical screening”Cervical screening is offered to women (and anyone with a cervix) aged between 25 and 64 years.”


I now think that my sanity has finally lost the battle: see above-the first lines are taken directly from the healthscotland site.

The asylum has finally been taken over.

77404 ▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 3, #756 of 1306 🔗

Remember that it’s very fashionable just now to be unable to tell what sex you are.
Anyone with a cervix can self-identify as a man.

77415 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 3, #757 of 1306 🔗

Yes, Annie; genetics is just so vulgar; it must be no platformed as it triggers emotional distress!!

46XX is an example of exclusivity, unearned privilege and prejudice. It must be expunged from acceptable discourse and school curriculums.

(Same for 46XY as well. Patriarchal oppression!)

77416 ▶▶ IanE, replying to wendyk, #758 of 1306 🔗

So transgender men (in the modern parlance, ‘women’!) can have one? That will be a tricky challenge!

77486 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to IanE, 1, #759 of 1306 🔗

First get a cervix.

77519 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, 1, #760 of 1306 🔗

We’ll have ’em in the shops for Christmas. Oh, wait…

77506 ▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to IanE, 1, #761 of 1306 🔗

Yes they do, the practice now registers you by your gender identity. This means fetishists turn up for their smear and force the female nurse to put a speculum up their bum. They then post on the reddit trans threads about it, it’s great fun.

77417 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to wendyk, 12, #762 of 1306 🔗

If you have a cervix, you are a woman. You can call yourself Brian or whatever you like, and wear whatever you like, it used to be a free country, but you are a woman. So shoot me.

77431 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #763 of 1306 🔗

Exactamundo!! I agree!

77451 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to wendyk, 2, #764 of 1306 🔗

To be fair, this has been around for quite some time, now. It’s interesting that on almost any other forum you could think of, I would be scorned (and then some) for what I just said. But here, we have reasonable, thinking people, who look at facts.

77584 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sam Vimes, #765 of 1306 🔗

I could scorn you if you’re feeling ignored, Sam. 🙂

77522 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #766 of 1306 🔗

“You can’t have babies, you haven’t got a womb! Where are you going to keep the foetus? In a box?”

Rex to Stan on finding out that Stan wants to be a woman and have babies. “Life of Brian”.

77429 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 3, #767 of 1306 🔗

I think I’ve lost the will to live after seeing that.

Anyone with a cervix is a woman. No ifs, ands and buts!

77468 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #768 of 1306 🔗

Does that mean I’m not a woman? I was born with a cervix, but it was removed when I had cancer surgery so I don’t have one now. But then I’m also more than two standard deviations away from your typical woman, so perhaps I’m disqualified on that account as well.

77510 ▶▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #769 of 1306 🔗

Women are female. Not all females have a cervix, but all cervix havers are female. Same with periods. This is another campaign I’m involved in, see my comment up thread.

77536 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #770 of 1306 🔗

BecJT summed it up well for me. My apologies.

77457 ▶▶ Basics, replying to wendyk, 4, #771 of 1306 🔗

Public Health has gone rogue so to speak. The profession is a crucible for the social engineering we are and will see. It is a key profession for the globalists. Has long been loaded with change agents – yes that is a thing.

Yes cervix = woman. But not in Scotland. Soon to be imprisonable to think this with the SNP Hate Free Speech Bill currently getting a panning in Holyrood. 7 years if you accidentally or purposedly cause another person to ‘hate’ (wtactualf) another person. No words, doesn’t need words. Just not ever in my name.


77470 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to wendyk, 1, #772 of 1306 🔗

While I can sympathise with people’s frustration about the language used, I do get a massive wave of mind your own business when people get upset about how people identify themselves. Kind of like the massive wave of MYOB I get about being forced to wear a mask. If you want to self-identify as a man or a woman or neither, that’s your business, not mine.

77505 ▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #773 of 1306 🔗

Very much disagree, see comment above.

77498 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to wendyk, 5, #774 of 1306 🔗

Only 50% of women know what a cervix is, and that they have one, this is doubly true if English is not your first language or you are learning disabled (I speak passable French, I know what a ‘woman’ is but not ‘cervix’). This is the other campaign I’m involved in, pushing back on this insanity, Scotland is particularly bad for this woke woman hating nonsense. A woman is defined in law as a ‘female of any age’, only females have cervixes.

Wait til you hear that in law, certain professions are protected as female only, this is to protect the privacy and dignity of women. A smear test nurse would be one such example. You have a right as an NHS patient to request a female nurse. One woman did so ( a rape survivor, but this would be equally important to say a muslim woman) and a “woman” that looked like a prop forward, with a beard, wearing a female nurse’s uniform turned up to do her smear. She said, ‘I requested a female’ and he said, ‘I am female’.

Patient was turfed out of the practice as a transphobic bigot. In another bit of madness, NHS practices now register patients by their ‘gender identity’, this means legal and biological males, who identify as females, get called for a smear. Crazy enough you think. No, said males TURN UP FOR THE APPOINTMENT, and the poor nurse is forced to play along with the panto by putting a speculum up their bottom and pretending. I kid you not.

They also do it with NHS wards, so little old ladies are being chastised as ‘transphobic’ as they don’t like the masturbating cross dresser in the next bed.

This is also happening in women’s prisons (what happens when you put a male rapist in a women’s prison? Answers on a postcard please. Or domestic violence shelter, bail hostel, or rape crisis service?).

So, ‘mind your own business’ doesn’t cut the mustard, it’s all of our business. Words and reality matter, and so do women and our rights.

77502 ▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to BecJT, #775 of 1306 🔗

PS this is a step up from the original campaigns that said:

Cervix havers
Non prostate owners
and (thanks Green party) non-men

77608 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to BecJT, 2, #776 of 1306 🔗

Well said BecJT.

And the additional costs incurred by this madness are growing.

And now, to add to the fun, Police Scotland are obliged to provide a WPC in the event of any ‘trans woman’ being questioned/ detained etc.

This was witnessed by an acquaintance’s husband in an arts centre in a neighbouring town.

And my prediction, now borne out on twitter ,is that MAPs-Minor Attracted Persons-( perverts /kiddy fiddlers) -now have their own grouping ,which has not been sanctioned by the SJWs who run twitter.

So, we can expect to see condemnation of pederasty/ bestiality ‘called out’ as hate speech.

77682 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to BecJT, 2, #777 of 1306 🔗

BecJT words fail me with this ridiculous pc world – women’s rights and safety are being compromised to placate a very small minority!

77411 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #778 of 1306 🔗

This is an important picture of Spain. Revealing comparison from Spain between the current location of the case resurgence and the antibody seroprevalence early July. Although it has been discussed that seroprevalence was underestimated it still gives you a picture that those areas not hit first time have now been selected by the virus.
There has been an increase of cases in Spain the last two weeks. It is true that cases are younger, many asymptomatic and some from occupational screening (Romanian fruit pickers) but there is no question that symptomatic cases are increasing, hospitalizations and ICU use especially in Aragon. They have had at least 240 hospitalizations. During the last 2 weeks there has been 10000 symptomatic cases and last week 600 hospitalizations,40 ICU and 34 deaths.This is not the second wave but the first wave and the virus is just picking out suitable areas. There could be more provinces on the hit list and internal travel in Spain is unhindered.This illustrates how difficult to rely on strict lockdown as cases seem to have just been pushed later in those regions least affected in the beginning. This might be a problem for a country with a big area and some parts more sparsely populated (watch out Poland and Romania).One lesson from the current outbreak in Spain. Very bad advertisement for face masks. This is a 100% face mask country since several months and Law everywhere to be carried outside home (except Canaries where 98% still have them).And 10 000 contracted Covid-19 despite the masks.

77491 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 2, #779 of 1306 🔗

To be fair to Ferguson, if I remember correctly, he never said one lockdown would sort the problem – he I think explicitly admitted that you’d need lockdowns in cycles until a vaccine or herd immunity. The government didn’t really make that clear to the public, and the public were not paying enough attention. Fortunately it looks like the herd immunity threshold is lower than first thought.

77672 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Julian, 1, #780 of 1306 🔗

To be fair to Ferguson

That is taking Devil’s advocacy to its absolute extreme!

77492 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, 2, #781 of 1306 🔗

This is very interesting and I was expecting this might happen. But the UK still has about 70 hospitalisations and around 30 deaths per day so this is not unusual and consistent with an over or nearly over epidemic.

A lot of those deaths (in the UK) are likely to be care homes. If they’re coming from the same population that the ONS are surveying then we have an IFR of 1.6% and that can’t be right.

77424 TyLean, 8, #782 of 1306 🔗


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(“I only read; I don’t post” sceptics welcome, too).

77430 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #783 of 1306 🔗

This is typical product of a MSM article making it interesting for the reader how two so different countries have similar outcomes and not any indication of uptick of cases. I think it would be best to wait a longer time period for both countries. The virus could sneak into sparsely populated areas in both countries. Italy’s low numbers now is striking compared to the current increase in France, Spain and even Germany (  some big countries to compare). There are many parts in Southern Italy, Sardinia etc never affected the first time. Should we believe that face masks, temperture controls, fantastic co-operation from the public is behind all these excellent results ?I suspect there is some form of cheating of data in this to protect the tourist industry. This cheating might soon be spread epidemically to Greece ,Eastern Europe etc. But that might be too cynical?

77472 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, #784 of 1306 🔗

Cheating works for me, seeing as the other side are doing it on an industrial scale

77440 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #785 of 1306 🔗

Well, it’s Legislation Day here in the wicked North West. In case you haven’t heard, we killed half the population because we have people living together in the same house.

I’m torn between reading and fully understanding the new law, in true Sceptic style, or just ignoring it. Hang on, I can do both! I shall be an Informed Ignoramus.

77476 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to Sam Vimes, #786 of 1306 🔗

So sorry! What is the ‘mood’ up there, I’m Midlands, there were noises they were going to do it to us too?

77503 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to BecJT, 4, #787 of 1306 🔗

We are ignoring it! The more they come looking for us the more crafty and creative people will be. I also think people are coming to realise they need to stop going for tests.

77517 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to wendy, 3, #788 of 1306 🔗

I have to say refusal to co-operate over testing is quite likely the best way forward.

77593 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Nick Rose, #789 of 1306 🔗

Yep, tests are all they’ve got now. Sadly, the sheep… [sigh]

77589 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to wendy, #790 of 1306 🔗

Haven’t been out yet, but I think simply not knowing about it will be a big plus factor. Depends on what the local tinpot Hitlers get up to, with their ‘powers’.
I’m definitely in the ‘ignore’ camp, though.

77516 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sam Vimes, #791 of 1306 🔗

Informed Intifada sounds even better!

77592 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Nick Rose, #792 of 1306 🔗

Ok, you literate sod, I had to look up ‘intifada’, but I’m in 🙂

77443 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #793 of 1306 🔗

Top chump at the British Museum spins it. Today we are opening it is not going to be a sanitized experience, it is going to be fabulous. We are asking you to wear a mask even though that isn’t law until saturday, we are limiting numbers, you will need to book on line. The lock down has been inspirational for us, we’ve learned to work digitally. 800 people in the museum at any one time. Last slot at 4pm for a 5pm finish. 2600 a day. These low numbers mean it will be fabulous, see.

It makes even the most cynical cockles of my heart warm. I nearly, very nearly, want to book, wait, go, sanitize hands, suffocate in mask and believe in dinosaurs all over again. But since you’ll be rushed in and rushed out it’s off the bucket list and my money remains in my pocket.

Good luck to you if you run your musuem that way. A fabulous sanitized peculiar experience visiting stolen treasures from the rest of the world.

77482 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basics, 6, #794 of 1306 🔗

Unfortunately they and the rest of the museums and heritage sector are busy signing their death warrants. They will go in the way of the shops as people will vote with their wallets and feet and avoid visiting.

I work in this sector and it distresses me how they have not fought this madness. When even the donations dry up, people refuse to renew their memberships and there’s literally no money in the kitty, they will only have themselves to blame.

77497 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #795 of 1306 🔗

Then they’ll go crying cap in hand to the treasury for juicy taxpayer bailouts. Or is that the real aim?

77538 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to DRW, 2, #796 of 1306 🔗

I think it is. Especially as many of them are driving away corporate sponsors due to pressure from the wokerati.

77694 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #797 of 1306 🔗

If we had a government that genuinely was resistant to the woke nonsense, they’d enact that no body that has rejected a sponsor for political reasons can receive any government support.

77914 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mark, #798 of 1306 🔗

Agree. That would force them to stand their ground and even force the wokerati to put their money where their mouth is and do the hard work of fundraising. Don’t like BP as a sponsor? Well, find an alternative.

77531 ▶▶ Hammer Onats, replying to Basics, 5, #799 of 1306 🔗

They can stick their museum up their arse.

77870 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Basics, #800 of 1306 🔗

I have memberships of Tate and the Royal Academy. I’ve already told the latter I won’t be renewing (and failed to get a partial refund on the grounds that it’s a charitable donation). However surely the same exemptions which apply to shoppers also apply to museums & galleries? I haven’t tried that yet but I’ll probably give it a go.

77917 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Edward, #801 of 1306 🔗

I suspect it will be but the management in the museum I work for is still waiting for the guidelines which frustratingly should have been out last Monday.

77444 Strange Days, replying to Strange Days, 26, #802 of 1306 🔗

From Simon Dolan

BREAKING Our Appeal to be heard! Judge acknowledged that these were the most serious impositions on freedoms. “Raises fundamental issues concerning the proper spheres for democratically accountable Ministers of Govt and judges” Full statement later


77462 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Strange Days, 6, #803 of 1306 🔗

Well done Simon and team. Pluck in the face of adversity.

77465 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to Strange Days, 6, #804 of 1306 🔗

HURRAH!!! I had wondered if the first judge had said no, not because he actually believed it, but to kick it up the food chain. Sometimes judges do that on purpose to kick it up to higher court. Excellent news. It’s all so slow though, you’d think they’d have more of a sense of urgency.

77512 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Strange Days, 2, #805 of 1306 🔗


77446 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #806 of 1306 🔗

A book I’ve recently read is Tim Bouverie’s Appeasing Hitler and showed how then appeasement was such a contentious issue to the point that it bitterly divided the nation to the point that it broke up friendships, tore families apart and polarised communities and workplaces.

We’ve been seeing the same thing since 2016 and especially more so now. It’s really sad and distressing now a virus with a 99.7% survival rate is destroying society at a fast rate than the virus killing people.

77447 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #807 of 1306 🔗

I recommend Joachim Fest’s “Not I”

77469 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ned of the Hills, #808 of 1306 🔗

Thanks. Someone here recommended a book about ordinary people in Germany during the Nazi era.. Can’t remember the title unfortunately.

77568 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #809 of 1306 🔗

If I remember correctly Joachim’s father was a member of the Reiechstag before the Nazi takeover – but the book will give you an idea of the tremendous pressure which recalcitrants lived under.

77680 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #810 of 1306 🔗

They thought they were free , by Milton Mayer

Excellent book.

77919 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mark, #811 of 1306 🔗

Ah yes that’s the one! Thank you.

77626 ▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Ned of the Hills, #812 of 1306 🔗

I’d also recommend “Industrial Society & It’s Future” by Dr Ted Kaczynski.
The guy was pretty prescient considering it was written in the 90’s. I do think it explains why what’s happening now is being done. Don’t let yourself be put off by the author.

77515 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #813 of 1306 🔗

So few people read anything – we need a rich person to make a movie about a nasty cough type virus, that is blown out of proportion by the media, ”the science” and modelling mania, governments panicking into lockdown, and the devastating unintended consequences and no second wave and how the media was complicint failed to inform the public, and the situation being amplified by government cover up…..

basically the story has already been written

i think its the only way to educate the hysterical ignorant herd of corona pussies

77539 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Major Panic, 1, #814 of 1306 🔗

It will take a brave person to make that. The mainstream film industry be it Hollywood, Bollywood or any other country won’t touch it with a barge pole.

77532 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #815 of 1306 🔗

I know he can be annoying, but Ben Elton’s novel ‘Two Brothers’ is really good also, it’s set just before the rise of Hitler in Germany, and then into the war, it was the slow drip, drip, drip of it that was so shocking and sinister, people just kept their heads down with each little diktat.

77690 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to BecJT, 1, #816 of 1306 🔗

I wouldn’t trust Elton, or any woke type political figure, to get any historical work correct, because he’ll be more worried about getting his own message across than truth, and will interpret everything through the filter of his own political fanaticism. I’ve seen a fair bit of Elton and it’s very obvious that though he’s obviously intelligent and witty, he’s a man for whom his own political dogmas are of overriding importance.

That’s why I like the Mayer book, because it’s a work of direct journalism, closer to the events, by someone who seems genuinely motivated to try to understand what happened rather than make his own political points.

(Not saying Elton’s novel might not be fine as entertainment. Just that I wouldn’t trust what it says about how the world works. But that’s true of most novels, of course.)

78036 ▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to BecJT, #817 of 1306 🔗

I recently read and highly recommend The Past is Myself by Christabel Bielenberg. The author, a niece of Lord Northcliffe, married a German lawyer in 1934. She lived through the war in Germany. It is a very strong and unforgettable memoir of Nazi rule.

77534 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #818 of 1306 🔗

That’s the whole point of The Corona Project, to cement these pre-divisions into one uber division between people. The icing and the cherry on top of the divide and rule strategy. The state becoming every bodies friend via social media and replacing REAL human interactions.

77450 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 5, #819 of 1306 🔗

I see all the letters of Google today are wearing masks together with the slogan Wear a Mask, Save Lives, Help Stop Coronavirus. It’s relentless.

77456 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Biggles, 7, #820 of 1306 🔗

It’s brainwashing. North Korea would be proud!

77460 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Biggles, 4, #821 of 1306 🔗

You might want to change your search engine to DuckDuckGo or Startpage.com. Google records your search history, although supposedly you can turn it off.

77475 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #822 of 1306 🔗

I have used DuckDuckGo for some time and I am very pleased with it.

77499 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Basileus, 4, #823 of 1306 🔗

i’ve just added DDG to firefox, it was instant! brilliant!

77511 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basileus, 1, #824 of 1306 🔗

Me too, and much smoother searches.

77507 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #825 of 1306 🔗

Thanks. Hadn’t heard of DuckDuckGo. Will give it a try.

77528 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #826 of 1306 🔗

Use Brave Browser too, it filters loads of crap automatically.

77644 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Biggles, 1, #827 of 1306 🔗

You could try Startpage – it effecively allows you to use the Google search engine anonymously. Another positive is that you don’t get the ‘woke’ messaging contained in the Google logo!

As far as I can see the only downside is that the top 3 search results are adverts, but otherwise it seems pretty good.

77461 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #828 of 1306 🔗

“the mean weekly number of newly diagnosed cancer patients plunged 46.4% for all six types: breast, colorectal, lung, gastric, pancreatic, and esophageal. The biggest drop was 51.8% in breast cancer and the smallest decrease was 24.7% in pancreatic cancer” From US. How many deaths in the end of this?(to the 3 mth’s lockdown politicians)
 Shocking figures. Modern medicine can’t have one disease only for months

77480 ▶▶ annie, replying to swedenborg, 3, #829 of 1306 🔗

Covid ‘medicine’ is voodoo.
BTW, I presume the currently below-average number of deaths overall is due to the fact that Covid carried off some people a bit earlier than the Grim Realer originally scheduled? Figures for the whole yesr will be entirely normal, I bet.


77508 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, 2, #830 of 1306 🔗


77582 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Nick Rose, #831 of 1306 🔗

Who’s he? said the Watch Commander.

77526 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to annie, #832 of 1306 🔗

Don’t know if you read the paper linked by Swedenborg and commented on by Mark earlier, an attempt by some people at Sheffield Business School (?) to model the composition of the excess, all cause, deaths in the period? Trying to see what the position might have been without Covid19? I’m not describing that well, I’m not a statistician!
Anyway, it suggested (in as much as you can say a model ‘shows’anything) that women over 85 in healthcare were over represented therein. Meaning what? Were there more of them in care homes anyway, who were more neglected while care staff tried to look after others who’d become more gravely ill?

77580 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to annie, #833 of 1306 🔗

Did anybody else ‘feel’ that last line in their head, rather than hear it? 🙂

77586 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to annie, 3, #834 of 1306 🔗

Wish I was cleverer on the computer I would put that last sentence on this picture

77484 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to swedenborg, #835 of 1306 🔗

From that same report:
‘The debate over whether early detection causes overtreatment or saves lives has not been settled, but cancer centers want patients to come back.’
Yes, because that’s how they make money in the US.
I don’t doubt there has also been a terrible toll from reduction in cancer detection and delay in treatment in the UK, just pointing out that US healthcare is driven by different incentives.

77464 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #836 of 1306 🔗

The Irish Taoiseach, Michael Martin, “put on the brakes” yesterday – as was to be expected. Pubs are not opening next Monday – unless they can serve a 9 euro meal.

The increase in cases has caused it. From a low of 67 cases in a week towards the end of June it was up to 355 in the week just gone.

Meanwhile the number of people recorded as dying with the disease has almost ceased. In the last ten days there has been just one.

Hasn’t a similar thing happened in Scotland? No recorded deaths for some time? Correct me if I’m wrong? But have cases been rising in Scotland too? – despite all the mask wearing.

77481 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #837 of 1306 🔗

There’s been two hotshots at pubs in Aberdeen – just waiting for Krankie to put the brakes on us! She’s never going to want to be left out!

77485 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 1, #838 of 1306 🔗

Sorry hotspots- automatic spelling thing.

77489 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ruth Sharpe, #839 of 1306 🔗

I sympathise.

77501 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 6, #840 of 1306 🔗

I fear the same, also saw some propaganda shit online about a ‘key worker’ complaining about pub goers in the centre of Edinburgh making too much noise so she couldn’t sleep ‘don’t they realise I’m a key worker’ blah fucking blah. Crap. I know I shouldn’t read it but a lot of people are.

I hate her, in fact I hate them all.

As you can tell, I’m on the verge of exploding at the moment.

I can’t see any way out, we know it’s over and they know that we know and we know that they know that we know.

77488 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #841 of 1306 🔗

I think the usual, more testing more cases, asymptomatic or false positives etc etc. No deaths for weeks.

I live opposite western general hospital in Edinburgh and all looks quiet although I haven’t walked through the hospital grounds for a while, might do just to be nosey. I walked through there in march and there were signs and yellow tape everywhere ‘danger covid 19’ etc.

77562 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to stefarm, 5, #842 of 1306 🔗

Hospitals in north west very quiet for COVID and other as people don’t want to go to hospital for treatments. And it will continue to be that way whilst this fear level remains. My friends tell me they are having whole days when they have nothing to do, operating theatres sitting empty. New reports in press today about number of heart attack deaths and missed cancer diagnoses. This government should be ashamed of itself.

The terrible privations continue too – a friends sister had a brain haemorrhage two months ago and no one has been allowed to go visit her in hospital. She is recovering but is still muddled and can’t understand why her family don’t visit. She needs them for support, familiarity and normalisation as well as to help recovery. I feel so livid about the personal losses and sadnesses.

77493 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #843 of 1306 🔗

It’s pretty much the same everywhere in Europe. Increased testing finding evidence that more people have had it, or are blissfully unaware that they’ve got it.

77518 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #844 of 1306 🔗

Here’s the murky data for Scotland.
Reading day by day gives a vague idea of possible trends. Essentially useless to read as a one off.

Aside from the Aberdeen pubs of doom senario the main increase of
‘Cases’ appears to be in care homes.

I’m thinking 16-17 days without a death. Hospital numbers tickle 260-270 a decline from 320 in past 10 days or so. ICU numbers were down to 2 have now doubled. All comment is wooly because the published data is.

I am not clear what the testing rate is or has been nor if it has or hasn’t increased. The ‘cases’ numbers are so low as to be within margins.

77573 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Basics, #845 of 1306 🔗

Much thanks for that

77471 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 20, #846 of 1306 🔗

Quick Retail Report, and a reminder for anyone who’s still a bit nervous about going maskless (maybe you read, but don’t post):

Went to Sports Direct yeterday, to swap some trainers bought before the Day of Infamy. Staff about 50/50 masked, all customers (not that many, it was tea time) masked, including one dick with blue vinyl gloves on. Lad that served me not masked. Nobody said a dicky bird or stared. Easy.

On to Morrisons, similar story, spotted couple of staff unmasked and one customer. I smiled and chatted to staff and got on with it. Easy again.

Called in to Aldi for bottle of essential liquid. Masks everywhere, some staff not, absolutely no hassle.

I have now ‘collected’ Aldi, Asda, Morrisons, Home Bargains, Lidl and Sports Direct with absolutely no comments or looks. I haven’t even had to say “I’m exempt”.

You go in unmasked, you don’t get challenged and you look at them all and just think “Why are you doing this?”

Get out there and tell the Bare Faced Truth!

77490 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #847 of 1306 🔗

‘You go in unmasked, you don’t get challenged and you look at them all and just SMILE and think “why are you doing this?”‘

77556 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #848 of 1306 🔗

Went to big M and S yesterday, within big shopping mall, to change 3 items of clothing, so obliged to go to desk. No mask, lanyard, scarf. Absolutely no comment whatsoever from any staff, other customers, passers by. Exactly the same in Boots. Ignore away, say I. Incidentally, one positive side effect (got to stay positive), everywhere extraordinarily shiny clean!

77603 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #849 of 1306 🔗

I’ve just been to local Sainsbury’s superstore with a friend; I was the only bare faced person in the shop.

Selection of plastic helmets and gags; one large bloke in a space helmet gave me a dirty look but thought better of challenging me.

Staff polite but what a thoroughly depressing experience: 2 metre distancing rules signs everywhere plus requests to mask up but few customers about.

All in all, dismal and offputting.

77671 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to wendyk, #850 of 1306 🔗

Then get back on that horse and make them have it.

77605 ▶▶ Simon, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #851 of 1306 🔗

Great news.

How about we all go shopping at the same time. Imagine several unmasked people at once, outnumbering the masked.

77668 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Simon, 5, #852 of 1306 🔗

Bare face flash mob. I like it.

77706 ▶▶ clem, replying to Sam Vimes, #853 of 1306 🔗

Just to add I went to Wickes and B&Q yesterday, wasn’t challenged at all for not covering up.
Wickes everyone else had masks on, both customers and staff.
B&Q only about half the staff wearing masks, all customers except a young 12/13 year old girl.

77852 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #854 of 1306 🔗

At the start of the pandemic I actually wore gloves sometimes (woollen, not plastic) because there was more emphasis then on possible transmission via surfaces, e.g. door handles which are touched by many people. But right from the start I hated the idea of masks because of the dehumanising effect. Nearly 5 months on, I can now back up my intuitive dislike of masks with plenty of evidence that they do more harm than good.

77479 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 10, #855 of 1306 🔗

Saw on Facebook about a business called Sankara Imports from Belper in Derbyshire, who yesterday kicked a mother and her 6 year old son who has Autism out of the shop because the 6 year old was not wearing a mask.

Interestingly, the company then posted on Facebook saying that they do allow children in over the age of 5 without a mask, I don’t think they;re allowed to make their own rules up on this, their post is below:


This company needs shaming for this discrimination, and I believe they have broken the Equality Act 2010, and they aren’t correctly following the law by not allowing exemptions.

Are they breaking any other laws or guidelines on this?

77494 ▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, 6, #856 of 1306 🔗

The law of human decency, for a start.

77524 ▶▶ wendy, replying to JohnB, 1, #857 of 1306 🔗

I think LaworFiction did a good write up about this

77487 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 6, #858 of 1306 🔗

Received this earlier from Dumbleton Hall Hotel:

Face Coverings Update

Following the latest government announcement on the 31st of July.

We will now require


when in public areas within Dumbleton Hall Hotel.

Quite a sales pitch. Do ‘Guests’ remove the mask for each mouthful in the restaurant?

77495 ▶▶ annie, replying to Basileus, 5, #859 of 1306 🔗

God, I’m glad I cancelled my Buxton trip.
Empty hotels, yeah.

77514 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to annie, 20, #860 of 1306 🔗

I won’t be going to museums, art galleries, theatres, cinemas. Shops as limited as possible and won’t go to unwelcoming pubs, cafes, restaurants. Hotels definitely not also. Not from fear but because it is an unwelcoming and intrusive experience. Surely many other people will feel the same?

77529 ▶▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to wendy, 4, #861 of 1306 🔗

It’s a difficult choice to make. On the one hand by not spending money decent people will be out of a job but by living our lives as before we are effectively legitimising this whole shit show.

77540 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Biggles, 4, #862 of 1306 🔗

Yes it is. But I wonder if we can go to places that make the experience as welcoming and normal as possible so they will have business and it will show others what they need to do. Wetherspoons will do fine, it all works well and it’s welcoming and in obtrusive.

77566 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to wendy, 1, #863 of 1306 🔗

I always champion Wethy’s anyway, but during this shitshow emergency period, they’ve been doing it right. Could be a change from today, here in the North West, but I doubt it. Wethy’s tend to ‘discharge their responsibilities’ by putting up signs, ‘for our guidance’. then they leave you to it.

77577 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Sam Vimes, #864 of 1306 🔗

I don’t think they will change and other establishments will take notice. We are venturing out in north west with friends tonight so will see if we have we have to lie and say we are one household as here in Northern restriction zone 2 households cannot meet together in pub or restaurant.

77635 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to wendy, #865 of 1306 🔗

You can, if you keep your distance and don’t socialise…I know, I know!

77647 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, #866 of 1306 🔗

Actually, I haven’t read it all fully yet, but isn’t the pubs thing guidance only? I think the actual written law only relates to houses and gardens. The words ‘pub’ or ‘public house’ do not appear in the legislation. Key words seem to be ‘private dwelling’.

77658 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, #867 of 1306 🔗

Right. The guidance (published first, that’s all that people hear) says you can’t meet folk from another household at the pub – but the LAW DOES NOT. But we’re ignoring it all anyway.

77537 ▶▶▶▶ Stuart Barker, replying to wendy, 8, #868 of 1306 🔗

Absolutely. I will also be telling various galleries etc where I have membership that I’ll cancel on the next renewal date if the rules aren’t changed.

I’ve figured the Government has no chance of listening to individual voices but if enough big institutions lobby them behind the scenes they might just start to listen.

I’ve also taken the really difficult to decision to end my tithe to the local parish church. It’s very sad but I believe that by its silence, the church is now complicit in a moral evil being perpetrated on the population to protect the Government’s reputation.

77543 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Stuart Barker, 3, #869 of 1306 🔗

Yes I agree. It’s the institutions and the businesses that need to shout and we can help by only giving our custom to the places that make it more welcoming.

77547 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Stuart Barker, #870 of 1306 🔗

Thats very sad about the church. A big loss for you. Some churches are trying to do their best but again it needs the leaders to make a fuss

77600 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Stuart Barker, #871 of 1306 🔗

You might be interested in this: http://www.apostasynow.com/tgd/tithing.html

77606 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stuart Barker, replying to Jonathan Castro, #872 of 1306 🔗


I can assure you my tithing has never followed the duff theology that is rightly being challenged there!

77708 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Stuart Barker, 1, #873 of 1306 🔗

Have done that with the National Gallery – cancelled our membership for next year because they didn’t even want to refund the unused last 3 months. And unfortunately its not really value for money – no member’s room, no newsletter, no members talks that are held at a much more worker friendly time, I can go on……..

77550 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendy, 5, #874 of 1306 🔗

Ditto. No museums, art galleries, concerts, performing arts, cinemas. Shopping only limited to the essentials and minimal dining out. We’ve also written out any holidays for the rest of the year and if I have to take annual leave, it will be confined to London.

77563 ▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #875 of 1306 🔗

Same here. Actually not sure why you would book tickets or foreign holidays for next year either. Nothing is safe with local lockdown, no notice quarantines, bankrupt businesses, cancelled events, over zealous restrictions. How can you rely on anything now?

77717 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Achilles, 1, #876 of 1306 🔗

Unfortunately we have booked tickets for the Ring Cycle and Daniel Baremboim (2 part series) concerts next year and we booked them long before this madness took over all our lives. Both are in the RFH and given the woes with the Southbank its all up in the air.

77571 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #877 of 1306 🔗

I suppose holidays could be self catering and outdoor stuff like cliff walks. I’ve even started making note of nature reserves and such where I can go without having to submit to restrictions and t and t forms. Speaking of which myself and all friends I know are giving false details where asked. Surely others are doing this too?

77720 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendy, 1, #878 of 1306 🔗

We are looking into outdoor stuff and if going to stately homes, restricting ourselves to the garden and cafe. Mr Bart suggested that if we book, we would let them know why we’re not going inside the house and avoiding the shop, in other words a partial boycott.

I don’t know about my friends but Mr Bart and I say “I do not consent” on the rare times we have been asked for our details for T&T.

77599 ▶▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to wendy, 3, #879 of 1306 🔗

I’ve taken this approach since masks introduced too, I’m hoping there is a fall in footfall in shops that corresponds to the mandate and that, eventually, the business sector grows a backbone on this and gets the measures reversed… I’m not optimistic tho.

77643 ▶▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to wendy, 3, #880 of 1306 🔗

I’m like you, not going anywhere until all restrictions are cancelled. If enough of the population boycott the Covid practicing places & see the ones that are being normal getting the custom, they have an option… close down or open up normally.
The £ talks. That’s why when a supermarket cuts their fuel price the rest follow because they know that they will lose money.

77656 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to wendy, 3, #881 of 1306 🔗

Absolutely with you Wendy, I haven’t been inside any public building including shops since masks were mandated and I will do my level best to never do so. It won’t be easy of course and giving ever more money to the likes of Bezos seems to be almost as bad as mask wearing (but not quite).

77861 ▶▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to wendy, #882 of 1306 🔗

We do, Wendy and our world is shrinking around us.

77504 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Basileus, 4, #883 of 1306 🔗

I fear that many businesses will do this, whether required by law or not. Planet Ice (major chain that runs ice rinks in the UK) are intending to make masks for customers compulsory (though not while on the ice – clearly the virus takes a break while you skate). Leisure facilities are not subject to the law on masks. I didn’t think hotels were either.

77545 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basileus, 4, #884 of 1306 🔗

Another one to boycott and busy signing their death warrant.

Won’t shed any tears for them when they go bust.

77575 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Basileus, 7, #885 of 1306 🔗

I get E-mails from all kinds of hotels that my wife and I have stayed at in the past. I always do a quick reply–polite of course–that under their ‘new rules’ I wouldn’t come to their hotel even if they paid me! Which, I hasten to add, is completely true.

77521 wendy, 7, #886 of 1306 🔗

Interesting story from a friend yesterday. Her parents in their late 60s care for an aged parent of 94 who lives in her own home and also has help from paid carers. One carer tested positive and the 3 family members were advised to book swab tests. None of them had symptoms. Only the 94 year old received a positive test and still no symptoms.

Things like this never make the news. The dominant media thread is COVID is instant death for elderly people. But it isn’t as was also shown in the ONS Vivaldi study where 80% of those care home residents who tested positive were asymptomatic.

77525 Eve, 4, #887 of 1306 🔗

Some good news… BBC headline: Coronavirus: Is the UK in a better position than we think?


77527 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #888 of 1306 🔗

The strange world of cruise infections. Hurtigrutten ship to Svalbard. How could this “outbreak” had been found unless four sailors had to be admitted for non-Covid-19 symptoms(interesting what they mean by that)and just routinely screened?
https://eu.postcrescent.com/story/travel/cruises/2020/08/03/hurtigruten-covid-19-outbreak-passengers-crew-infected-cruise/5570867002/ There are now 36 crew members on the Hurtigrutten ship PCR pos all without symptoms. Hundred of passenger screened ,so far 4 pos and asymptomatic.Before the cruise the company did everything to prevent infection (but see the flaws below)
“While Ege said in Saturday’s statement that crew members have been “closely monitored and screened daily,” with non-Norwegian crew members quarantining before boarding and non-European crew undergoing two negative COVID-19 tests prior to leaving their home country, he did not comment on passenger testing.
 (Would you trust a PCR certificate from Philippines?)

77535 ▶▶ wendy, replying to swedenborg, 3, #890 of 1306 🔗

The cruise ship outbreaks are very interesting mini studies and more evidence for our side

77552 ▶▶▶ Fenlander, replying to wendy, 1, #891 of 1306 🔗

And yet TPTB continue to rely on modelling when we have these nicely controlled (in a scientific experiment sense) real-world cruise ship incidents which demonstrate far-from-alarming rates of sickness and death

77979 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to swedenborg, #892 of 1306 🔗

Seems a concerted effort is being made to find cases in tourists and tourism.

Gotta big up that Covipass!

77542 Awkward Git, #893 of 1306 🔗
77546 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, #894 of 1306 🔗

Anyone else finding that ‘Disqus’ is down, and has been for several days? For example, the comments in the Spectator and many other sites..? And it seems disqus.com is dead too – not even a placeholder page..?

Naturally, I’m beginning to think that the authorities have decided to kill it off for the duration of the Covid ’emergency’. I presume there’s a much more prosaic explanation?

77564 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #895 of 1306 🔗

I can still see comments on the Sepctator and disqus.com website still seems to be up and running.

77581 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to EssieSW, #896 of 1306 🔗

Thanks, it must be me, then.

77631 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #897 of 1306 🔗

Ok here too

77662 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to smileymiley, 1, #898 of 1306 🔗

Thanks. It turns out to have been a highly technical issue with my broadband router. Now fixed – hopefully without any side effects.

77714 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Barney McGrew, #899 of 1306 🔗

Maybe it’s you the authorities are trying to shut down? Looks like you’ve got something right!!

😉 😂

77548 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 3, #900 of 1306 🔗

Some good news: Spitting Image is coming back (on BritBox). Hope it’s as biting as it used to be. If ever we needed some serious satire and piss-taking it’s now.

77549 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to kh1485, 10, #901 of 1306 🔗

You’re bound to be disappointed….

77553 ▶▶ Fenlander, replying to kh1485, 9, #902 of 1306 🔗

Just wait. It’ll be an unwatchable woke-fest.

77557 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fenlander, 5, #903 of 1306 🔗

Yeah, you’re probably right. Just trying to cling on to something positive at the moment!

77885 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Fenlander, #904 of 1306 🔗

Probably take the piss out of a grotesque Toby Young fighting for free speech, Brexit and against lockdowns.

77555 ▶▶ James007, replying to kh1485, 2, #905 of 1306 🔗

I will give it a go. Britbox is the ITV/BBC venture isn’t it?
I would set expectations low to avoid disappointment

77561 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to James007, #906 of 1306 🔗

Yes it is (groan). Yes, I was forgetting that no-one calls anything out anymore (and besides which this has gone beyond satire) – apologies!

77578 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to kh1485, 3, #907 of 1306 🔗

It was the creation of a Labour fanatic – John Farrell – who shut it down as soon as Blair got it elected. Don’t expect any mocking of Labour, Starmer, Marxism, PC ideology, or religion apart from Christianity, obviously.

77646 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to OKUK, #908 of 1306 🔗

That’s interesting about John Farrell, didnt know that.
“Have I got news for you” with Angus Deaton replaced it, far cheaper to produce and drew similar audiences.
I remember tuning into to that in the early days and laughing along
I still enjoy my box sets of classic sitcoms and old BBC stuff, but most of the new comedy I watch is not on mainstream TV.

77878 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, #909 of 1306 🔗


77554 James007, replying to James007, 18, #910 of 1306 🔗

Sorry if already posted (it’s hard to keep up). We need more understanding of the impact these stupid policies (specifically masking) have on disabled children.


When I am out with my autistic son I claim an exemption. However it is not just Cressida Dick style shaming that is the problem. For some children trying to learn to read facial expressions – a masked world is a scary confusing place.

Another letter to my MP brewing I think.

77572 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to James007, 8, #911 of 1306 🔗

It’s going to have an awful effect on children across the board. Young children watch adults’ facial expressions very closely when out in public. The masking of people in shops and other social settings is removing a huge element of the socialisation process.

77583 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to OKUK, 6, #912 of 1306 🔗

People on the autistic spectrum often have particular difficulty understanding what other people feel, and mean, and if you remove facial expressions it makes it much harder to read people

77585 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Julian, 1, #913 of 1306 🔗


77590 ▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to OKUK, 6, #914 of 1306 🔗

I think back to being a child and having recurring nightmares about getting kidnapped by giants. It doesn’t take much to terrify a child, even when the subject matter is ridiculous – so I can only imagine the psychological damage being done to the poor children of today, who have to see a nation of faceless creepy looking people whilst also dealing with the weight of being told they could kill, or be killed by, their own mum, dad, grandparents or friends by the simple act of breathing. It is truly an absolutely disgusting myth the media and state are spreading and utterly disgraceful that some parents and educational establishments are re-enforcing it.

77639 ▶▶▶▶ James007, replying to Mark II, #915 of 1306 🔗

Hear hear!
This is particularly true given what we have been though. School closures, families separated (not every child engages with video calls as a replacement to being with loved ones) and routines and familiarity disrupted indefinitely.

If masks worked and had been introduced in March as part of a moderate social distancing “flatten the curve strategy”, my strength of feeling would be less. I would probably tolerate them.

77876 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mark II, 2, #916 of 1306 🔗

Yes it’s INCREDIBLY cruel. I have no idea how the people who are supposed to be looking the welfare of children or anybody else has allowed this to happen. Forcing your children to wear a mask would have resulted in child cruelty proceedings, children being taken into care and psychiatric investigations against the parents 6 months ago. Insane evil bastards.

77560 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 3, #917 of 1306 🔗

I think this may have been posted before, but it bears repetition. Like doctors going on strike, the ‘lockdown’ has cast a magnifying glass on other areas of medicine. –

The death rate among children in the U.S. has also mysteriously dropped during the lockdowns, from an average of 700 per week to fewer than 500 per week during the months of April and May. Most of this change is attributed to a decline in infant mortality

Doctors and researchers suggest reduced vaccination rates during the pandemic may have played a role by reducing the number of infants dying from SIDS


77595 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to JohnB, #918 of 1306 🔗

Yes …haven’t seen any equivalent figures for UK – vaxomanes probably hiding the facts.

77610 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to OKUK, #919 of 1306 🔗

Yes, will be interesting to find out. Although child vaccinations in UK are free and have continued as normal throughout lockdown ( relativecborn January has had usual course) so possibly no similar effect.

77565 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 2, #920 of 1306 🔗
77579 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JohnB, 1, #921 of 1306 🔗

Thanks. See also Spain, California and goodness knows how many other places there they are worn but “cases” continue to rise.

77567 theanalyst, 3, #922 of 1306 🔗

Interesting that the government’s own latest ‘Weekly Covid-19 Surveillance Report’ seems to indicate the only potential rise in cases in the North of England seems to be amongst the 75 plus (male) and 85 plus (female) age groups, and that is pushing it given the small number of cases per 100,000. Care homes?



77570 JohnB, 26, #923 of 1306 🔗

Went to a KBF meet-up in Brighton last night. (At a real pub, the Three Jolly Butchers, 100 yards east of the station, Harvey’s (!), and no slavish adherence to the local tinpots. Recommended.).

13 people came, various ages, professions, opinions, but all of the same attitude towards the current bollocks. Intention is to focus on educating people re masks for the next 2 weeks, when we will have our second meeting. 🙂

77574 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #924 of 1306 🔗

Virgin Atlantic in financial trouble. Files for bankruptcy in US to enable rescue.


77632 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to Basics, #925 of 1306 🔗

All those jobs!

77695 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to BecJT, 1, #926 of 1306 🔗

The whole aviation industry, whether you make ’em or fly ’em (or even in the supply chain for ’em), is under threat.

77791 ▶▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #927 of 1306 🔗

And tourism, airport taxis, food, cleaners, baggage handlers, ground crew, the people who make the little bags of bloody peanuts. I cannot listen to one more bloomin’ ‘socialist’ go on about ‘capitalism’ and ‘austerity is a choice’ with no understanding that the ‘economy’ IS people, in billions of interlocking ways every single day.

77576 Ethelred the Unready, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 17, #928 of 1306 🔗

It’s quite clever really, the left, in league with the leftist media and leftist ‘protest groups’, have contrived a position where the economy is very badly damaged,in an attempt to unseat a Tory government and stop Brexit, and it’s working out perfectly for them. Would be easy to blame the left, but the real blame lies with the gutless Tories who should have stood up to them, but failed to do so, costing lives, livelihoods, jobs, homes, etc etc. The left cannot be able to believe how easily they have destabilised the entire economy and Country, without a shot fired in retaliation, everyone on a knee to them or clapping, remarkable. History being made, Tories being sacrificed on their own alter of WOKE, would be funny if it wasn’t so serious….

77591 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 10, #929 of 1306 🔗

Yes this is my take on it completely. I saw it with the Guardians campaign around the deaths of doctors and nurses at the beginning. As soon as the ONS data came out that doctors and nurses were not dying in same numbers as other working age people the guardian campaign disappeared. For me what is criminal about the left doing this is that they are contributing to the suffering and pain of ordinary people’s lives, all the sad stories we read. You are the first person I have seen write this so clearly. It needs to be got into the media some how because in trying to bring a government down under these circumstances ordinary people are suffering in terrible circumstances and it is probably contributing to higher deaths. Well definitely as people stay away from getting the health care they need.

77749 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to wendy, #930 of 1306 🔗

Are they still interviewing the relatives of Covid victims, milking their tears as though a Covid victim is any more tragic than someone run over by a bus? Have to ask, don’t watch telly.

78056 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to karenovirus, #931 of 1306 🔗

i don’t watch tele either and can’t bear to open the guardian website so I don’t really know

77594 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 8, #932 of 1306 🔗

Exactly this, if I see one more post about ‘capitalism’ I’ll scream. Ditto the environmental extremists (you know, the ones that love forests (as I do) but hate people, particularly poor ones), ground the airlines, save an orangutan (except it doesn’t, illegal poaching is off the charts now we’ve shut down wildlife tourism, which is what paid for conservation).

77601 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to BecJT, 3, #933 of 1306 🔗

Could Toby do a serious article? He writes very well when he does an analysis, perhaps he could do it with a number of other journalists.

But surely the government can see this is what is going on.

77623 ▶▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to wendy, 11, #934 of 1306 🔗

I’ve been thinking about this a lot, I think what we need now is a proper campaign, I mean a properly staffed, funded and organised one. I’ve been thinking about ‘the public’, as if we were talking about ‘the government’ and then this passive blob, ‘the public’ that has things done TO it. That’s not true. We are the ELECTORATE, we are CITIZENS, we are SUBJECTS (the Queen is the head of state, not Boris, I’m hoping she’ll break protocol and step in actually) and we very much are participants, and more to the point we have a JOB. I think we definitely do need indepth features, and PR etc, but it’s more than that.

As part of my political revolution (been coming for a while), I’m reading Roger Scruton, this quote struck me:

“Common law justice spoke to me of a community built from below, through the guarantee offered by the courts to all who came before them with clean hands. This vision stayed with me thereafter as a narrative of home. In the English law there are valid statutes and leading cases that date from the thirteenth century, and progressive people would regard this as an absurdity. For me it was proof that English Law is the property of the English people, not the weapon of their rulers’.

I think the most disgusting thing in all of this is how it’s been weaponised and politicised on all sides, it’s unconscionable. If this truly was a global pandemic of once in a lifetime proportions, there’d be none of that, we’d be too busy digging mass graves for all the bodies. That tells me, then, that it’s something else – by accident or design doesn’t really matter. Keir Starmer was the Head of Public Prosecutions! You cannot tell me he *does not know* what all this means? It’s honestly disgusting.

Ditto NHS staff, OK so they were threatened and slapped with a load of guidance. They took an OATH. Does that mean anything or does it not? They are not ‘done to’, in all this, they have a job that is bigger than their employer.

Or a priest. Who does he answer to? Health and safety or God? Who’s his authority?

And on it goes. I don’t know how we do it, but ‘society’ is US, the government work for US. They are not above us, we are above them. There must be some way to get people thinking about their relationship to authority, and more to the point, who really has it?

77638 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to BecJT, 5, #935 of 1306 🔗

Yes you are right about doctors oaths and I thinks some are trying to speak out and priests too.

Part of what I don’t understand is why the government can’t hear the other scientific voices Gupter, Heneghan, Levitt etc.

So it terms of getting organised perhaps it is best to all join with Simon Dolan.

77806 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to wendy, 1, #936 of 1306 🔗

I think a few legal eagles are galvanising, but it’s going to take a coordinated effort I think, and most importantly money. I don’t really mind who organises it, just that it’s bigger and more far reaching. I think some of it will have to be some kind of public engagement, so the main campaign coordinates public actions – I keep harping on about it but fact checked, legally accurate letters to the actual body or service provider that has lost its mind is really effective, so we all start individually challenging. For instance, say a care home is preventing you from visiting your relative (that’s not law, it’s guidance), or as a dad posted here the other day, his severely autistic son’s residential home have suspended visits either to them, or the child to home, then you’d write to them yourself and get them to drop it. I think that’s the only way we are really going to change it. Ditto schools, parents need to take on their school governors. People need to challenge their employer. Employers need to challenge the HSE. Food businesses need to tell environmental health to sling their hook, pubs need to be on solid ground to get the police out of their premises. Etc etc. I think that’s how we we fight back.

For instance we all here know how to do that with masks (because we’re doing it every day, we know what to say, what our rights are, what the law says etc), if we could do that with other things, we’d be properly in business.

77607 ▶▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to BecJT, 5, #937 of 1306 🔗

Vegans/Vegetarians eating products with palm oil is what’s driving the extinction of the old man of the forest.

77735 ▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to BecJT, 2, #938 of 1306 🔗

Replying to all 3 above posts, it really makes me sick how supposedly caring people seem to be willing to perpetuate a situation causing so much misery and ruined lives, simply for their own political and social ends.

You makes some good points about the environmental angle which is something that matters a lot to me. I’m sure poaching etc. is off the scale now that tourism has collapsed (and will take a long time to recover even if we somehow returned to normal tomorrow) – plus the post-lockdown economic climate of unemployment, combined with a (not unreasonable, to be fair) wish for more local, less globalised manufacturing, is surely going to be one where people are a lot less worried about pollution and sustainability, and far more willing to tolerate “dirty” industries if they create jobs and prosperity.

77875 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Drawde927, #939 of 1306 🔗

The left always make a show of compassion for the poor but the reality is they couldn’t care less.They are normally just jealous of the rich and powerful and wish they could be like them.
Whether they believe the scam or are supportive of the society this crisis is bringing about is another matter.
Environmentalists these days are normally well off types who look down on the masses and begrudge them any trappings of wealthy lifestyle.
The global warming scam and this are so similar,both rely on dodgy computer models and ‘settled science’ and the end result is the same,the total control of the population.

77744 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to BecJT, 1, #940 of 1306 🔗

Some African countries have been raising the alarm too about their own conservation projects in danger following the collapse of wildlife tourism. Plus the resurgence of the likes of malaria, dengue fever, etc.

77596 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 6, #941 of 1306 🔗

I can’t understand why the Government didn’t stand up to it. I was hopeful until Boris mandated masks.

77613 ▶▶▶ Ethelred the Unready, replying to wendy, 5, #942 of 1306 🔗

I think partly because they are terrified of being called The Nasty Party (again! Thanks Theresa…), but also they aren’t real Tories, much closer to to New Labour. The so called one-Nation Tory MPs (unbelievably 100 or so of them) would be pretty comfortable to sit as Lib Dem’s. Truth is, the Country badly needs some tough love from a Government not afraid to take (nominally) unpopular decisions and sometimes ‘get it wrong’ – the. Poll Tax is a good example, it was bad policy but Mrs T gave it a go, she didn’t much care about personal popularity. Politicians need a very thick skin, Johnson has a very thin one unfortunately. Nothing will change until we have a real alternative to the Status Quo, and even then, our electoral system practically guarantees “Buggin’s Turn”

77634 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 4, #943 of 1306 🔗

I suppose it is how politics goes but I can’t forgive it going on now. It is personal for me as I now doubt I will ever see my father who is living in a care home alive again. And because of my own loss and sorrow I can see all the other desperate sadnesses of people kept from loved ones. Political manoeuvres going on at the expanse of people’s lives is unforgivable.

77640 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to wendy, 3, #944 of 1306 🔗

I hope and pray that you do see your Dad again. Even now, he must be aware of how much you care for him.

78060 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to TJN, #945 of 1306 🔗

TJN, thank you, your kindness just had my crying

77642 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 5, #946 of 1306 🔗

Perhaps BJ is hard of hearing as well as stupid.

His party are not being called ‘The Nasty Party’, they are being called ‘The Nazi Party’.

77752 ▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to wendy, 2, #947 of 1306 🔗

I have a feeling that, as well as being terrified of being seen to live up to the “Nasty Party” and anti-NHS image, they also saw the pandemic/lockdown as an unmissable opportunity to completely reverse this and be seen, for generations, as the party which did everything it could to protect the NHS and people’s health.

Once I thought that, for this reason, Labour just might have been more willing to lift lockdown regulations earlier and more comprehensively, even if they locked down earlier. Now, I’m so suspicious of the motivations and influences behind all our politicians, including the Opposition, that I have my doubts!

77764 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Drawde927, 1, #948 of 1306 🔗

The NHS has not been saved, it’s been turned into the NCovidS and wrecked from which it will take years to recover.

77611 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 5, #949 of 1306 🔗

There’s no doubt that politicians and ideologues of all types are opportunists who use such moments to push their favoured policies. Blair and his circle of Remainiacs have certainly tried to seize the agenda. So have mad Marxists, anti-Trumpers and globalists. But like you I assign blame to the Timorous Tories who chose flight rather than fight sacrificing economy, education and health care (other than Covid care – the NHS having become the Niche Health Service).

77619 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 4, #950 of 1306 🔗

Personally, I feel this whole thing is driven by little more than fear. Yes, various interest groups are jumping in, smelling trailer-loads of dosh swilling about, but to paint this as a Left-Right thing is little over-simplistic in my view.

The anti-Brexit thing is being stirred up by a pro-EU establishment with their snouts in the trough, and still bitter at having their sinecures snatched away. Indeed, they have a group within Remain voters happy to go along with it all. Only a group, for most Remain voters, like most Leave voters, just want the Brexit thing put to bed. There are other, more important, issues we must also address.

In the final reckoning, it’s all about the money.

I can go on for hours about our rotten establishment (by no means is it just about the EU) and why the whole damned thing needs replacing, but I won’t bore you all to death with it here, lol.

Here, our watchword is scepticism; politics must wait until normal service resumes.

77627 ▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to Nick Rose, #951 of 1306 🔗

Keir Starmer was the Head of Public Prosecutions. Are you honestly saying he’s looking at what’s going on with government by Fiat, and really thinks it’s OK? And if he doesn’t, what’s he doing?

77653 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BecJT, 6, #952 of 1306 🔗

Look at his record there – failure to follow-upsnad refusal to consider prosecuting Jimmy Saville. Failure to follow-up and refusal to prosecute grooming gangs when Suffolk Police (I think ti was) gave him 4 dossiers of evidence.

He’s bought nd paid for part of the establishment.

77654 ▶▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to BecJT, 4, #953 of 1306 🔗

Head when Jimmy Saville was being investigated & shut it down because there was no case to answer!

77884 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, #954 of 1306 🔗

Fear and ignorance.
Young zombies plainky think that if they get Covid they’ll drop dead. And it’s a totally selfish fear. Don’t tell me all the whining and nappying is for the sake of protecting us oldies.

77941 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nick Rose, #955 of 1306 🔗

I agree.While this goes on the only divide is between freedom and slavery,everything else is immaterial

77660 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 6, #956 of 1306 🔗

the real blame lies with the gutless Tories who should have stood up to the m”

This is the really important part for me, as a man absolutely of the political right.

Those here who insist this is “not a matter of right or left” are correct only to a limited extent, in that it does not seem to have been driven solely from one side and people one would ordinarily view as on the right have joined in whole-heartedly. And of course anyone who is against the coronapanic is de facto an ally in the most urgent fight of the moment.

But the panic is in most ways inherently leftist in its collectivism, sentimentality and radicalism, and it is notable that it is far more zealously pushed in the organs of the woke left (Guardian, BBC, academe) than of the centre right (Telegraph, Spectator, Mail), where at least there have been some regular questions asked, rebel opinions expressed and info pushed to the fore. Toby has previously posted links to analysis conforming the tendency for resistance to the panic to be on the political right and enthusiasm for it on the left.

Be that as it may, all the essentials of the panic as far as government policy has been concerned – radical experimentation with society, culture and economy, utter disregard for traditional aspects of society that should have protected from or been protected against the panic – traditional liberties and notions of governance, respect for church and for family, resistance to big government, nanny knows best socialism – have been things no conservative should have considered implementing for a second. If we had had a party of the right that was genuinely conservative or right-wing in any meaningful sense, it would have simply refused to go along with these measures, and it would have genuinely believed that ultimately the British people would support it in doing so.

Clearly the “Conservative” Party had no such belief and is not meaningfully conservative or right wing. Instead it seems to have been in the group of fanatical worshippers of the collectivist NHS, of all things

The irony is that if it had stood form and used the powers it has for bolstering fortitude rather than for spreading fear, there’s a real chance they could have resisted the powers pushing the panic and lockdown, even considering the sheer scale of the global panic, pushed by globalist elites around the world, that was sweeping through and evidently swept away the entirety pretty much of our government and of our “Conservative” Party. Because truth would have been on their side on the issue, rather than their enemy. And while that is not always decisive, in the short run, it always helps and becomes ever stronger over time.

They were never what they claimed to be. They were a nominally “conservative” party that had repeatedly and inexorably moved leftwards to accommodate leftists and try to gain voters by compromising, having successfully joined the left in demonising, destroying or co-opting all resistance on the right, for so long that they themselves believe in the woke nonsense they should have been the resistance to.

We need somehow to build a new genuinely traditionalist and conservative party on (hopefully) the ruins of this one, and if it means losing some elections to the Blairite snakes of the modern “Labour” Party, in the end they will mess up enough to let real conservatives in, and for the first time in recent memory a “Conservative” election win might actually mean something.

In the meantime, though, the Johnson regime failed in its most basic responsibilities and must be punished for that. Never forget, never forgive.

77721 ▶▶▶ Ethelred the Unready, replying to Mark, #957 of 1306 🔗

Well said, although I would prefer something shiny and brand new to trying to build anything upon the wreckage of the current Conservative Party. It will take a genuine ‘leader’ , Young, charismatic and without political baggage…someone we probably haven’t even heard of…yet. There is a vacuum waiting to be filled, Nigel tried but is now tarnished

77768 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Ethelred the Unready, #958 of 1306 🔗

Yes, I didn’t mean by that that it would have to be rebuilding the existing “Conservative” Party. On the ruins can absolutely be a whole new building. And as you suggest that would probably be better.

The “Conservative” Party hierarchy is probably irretrievable.

77812 ▶▶▶ BecJT, replying to Mark, 1, #959 of 1306 🔗

The left consistently over estimate the ability, skill, and means of the state also. Why is the answer to every single problem, ‘the government’?

77809 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to Ethelred the Unready, #960 of 1306 🔗

I’ve seen loads of environmentalists rejoicing at the grounding of the airlines? What’s your view on Labour’s position on this then?

77602 NickR, 10, #961 of 1306 🔗

NHS daily data by area had been taken away, replaced with higher level summary data. Had anyone found where daily testing reports have been hidden?
Total scandal

77604 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 39, #962 of 1306 🔗

Reporting back on day 2 of my mission to educate shops.

Off to usual Asda. Big sign outside about mask wearing-nothing about exemptions. Went to the security guard at the entrance and to customer services. Neither knew anything about exemptions, lanyards, badges etc. Not a good start.

Completed shopping with no problem, most staff aren’t masked anyway. Went to scan and go section where three of our favourite ladies were standing chatting. Store not busy at all. They knew nothing about exemptions either but one of them thought that the sunflower lanyard had something to do with autism. Put her right about other hidden disabilities. Her sister had COPD and couldn’t wear a mask, another had sinus problems and suffered from claustrophobia, the third had a father with asthma. Told them they were all exempt.

Not one of them knew about the government website which would give them all a get out of jail free card for nothing, so it gave me great pleasure to lead them to it. Asked them to get their store manager to do some better training and pointed out that the other Asda store we had been to was doing announcements over the tannoy about courtesy to non mask wearers. Cashier on a nearby till joined in the lesson and seemed delighted to be a part of it.

On way out met lovely lady wearing sunflower lanyard. She was masked up but said lanyard was for her daughter who had learning difficulties. Passed on various bits of information to her about masks and Covid.

Met neighbour on way home-runs local cafe. Asked him how the “Eat out to help out “was going. Cafe very busy but said they probably wouldn’t see these customers once scheme was over. Started to express lots of doubts about what was going on; Covid numbers, ridiculous rules. Pointed him in the direction of LS.

Folks, I think I may have brought six people across no man’s land to the other side this morning.

77614 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Margaret, 4, #963 of 1306 🔗


77808 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Margaret, #964 of 1306 🔗

Well done!!!

77811 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Margaret, 1, #965 of 1306 🔗

Great work, Margaret!

77814 ▶▶ Fiat, replying to Margaret, #966 of 1306 🔗

Good job!

77823 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Margaret, #967 of 1306 🔗

This is really important, most people have no idea THEY are exempt.

77827 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Two-Six, #968 of 1306 🔗

I’ve been saying this for ages-hence my mission to educate.

77612 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 15, #969 of 1306 🔗

Just been to my local building merchant. Four fellow non-mask wearers in the shop! This is a massive reversal from the previous times I’ve been in (last Fri and Sat) when I was the only non-mask wearer! I don’t want to get my hopes up but I wonder if the tide is turning?

77633 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Moomin, 5, #970 of 1306 🔗

Yes it is Kevin! Yes it is. They will deal more blows yet, but tge tide is always turning – it is the natural unstoppable force of nature they have chosen in vain to prevent. We will win.

77710 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Basics, 1, #971 of 1306 🔗

I hope so and soon

77739 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Moomin, #972 of 1306 🔗

When more and more people rebel we will have to look out for stock photos in the media trying to show it isn’t happening.

77616 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #973 of 1306 🔗

Hi all

Sorry to keep asking…

I’ve been taking in your advice and the general theme I think is that we don’t want a name that preaches or puts people off with words like free, fight, wake etc. It’s the unaware masses we’re after not ourselves.

I have two final (?) (I hope – as time is passing) names I’d like your opinions on. I’ll put them below and you can click up or down for them and/or comment.



77617 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 2, #974 of 1306 🔗

How Many Are We?

77911 ▶▶▶ hat man, replying to Lockdown Truth, #975 of 1306 🔗

Both are too indirect and too nice. Maybe something more direct like ‘Think for Yourself’.

77618 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 7, #976 of 1306 🔗

We Have Questions

77621 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Lockdown Truth, 3, #977 of 1306 🔗

It’s only fear
be free

77625 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, #978 of 1306 🔗

the ‘be free’ could be dropped and ‘it’s only fear’ printed over a picture of a pathetic looking rumbled corinavirus (need a cartoonist)

78858 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Major Panic, #980 of 1306 🔗

DuckDuckGo is a great search engine

77664 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Major Panic, 1, #981 of 1306 🔗

Yes I like this one. Sticking to facts and personal stories will do it

77733 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lockdown Truth, #982 of 1306 🔗

Free Yourself.

77620 Major Panic, #983 of 1306 🔗


77622 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 11, #984 of 1306 🔗

*’Lockdown’—-the term used in American prisons to quell a riot.

*Isolation—-meted out to the worst prisoners to break them down. Always accompanied by loss of privileges for the offenders.

*Distancing—-prisoners kept apart when assembled. Especially in concentration camps, Gulags and high security prisons. Intention is to dehumanise them.

*Ghettos.—-The herding together of populations who are then cordoned off and prevented from maintaining outside contact. Reduce people to their base instincts of survival with subjects turning on and policing each other.

*Masks—-an imposition by authority to signify conformity and subjugation and to measure authorities’ degree of control. Aim is to sow discord within the population between those who wear them and those who don’t.

As we stand in the UK right now are the above an exaggeration? I wish that they were!

77731 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Harry hopkins, #985 of 1306 🔗

Back in proper good old days prisoners were hooded when outside their cells to prevent idle banter.

77661 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 3, #987 of 1306 🔗

Yes this is what we need more of. I so hope Gove goes for it and very very soon before more people suffer and die.

77628 Simon, replying to Simon, 15, #988 of 1306 🔗

Mike Graham on Talk Radio this mornig is getting stuck into the government. Took apart the political correspondant type from the Independent.

I think that there is a large amount of public sentiment turning, but maybe just those that would would normally be quiet are starting to speak up.

77689 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Simon, 5, #989 of 1306 🔗

Mike Graham has been good since Peter Hitchens schooled him at the start.Now he he has him on every Monday and they talk like old friends.

78029 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #990 of 1306 🔗

They both deserve credit for sticking with it, as the start was a bit rocky

77629 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #991 of 1306 🔗

So. This is the time for a revolution of transport. Gone are the days when people can be allowed to do as they please. The Scottish so called Government have a £8.8million scheme on the go this week.

Encorage cycling by offering free repairs – a stimulous to failed cyclists, cyclists and bike shops. The blurb was to get those long forgtten bikes dug out and roadworthy again.

It came into effect on Monday. By Tuesday lunch time bike shops that had chosen to be part of the scheme were over subscribed with a waiting list of 2 months.

Many, many bike shops chose not to join the scheme since they are already turning customers away from their over filled worshops. So an incentive for small businesses that are already booming, because of lock down.

The repair limit per bike is £50. Not much when a pair of tyres will cost about that, and the rules of the scheme say shop labour must fit them.

Under the scheme the shop must assess the safety of the bike and prioritise repairs on basis of safety. With a £50 kitty to spend one bike shop suggested from their experience it will be more than likely most bikes presented to them will remain unfixed because of cost.

A real fake help. But they really are keen to revolutionise our transport, With token grants of tax funds spread so thinnly as to be useless. £8.8million could do a lot if spent wisely.

77836 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basics, 1, #992 of 1306 🔗

The £8.8 million could have been spent on better buses and rail lines. I lived in Scotland for 10 years and it’s very unfriendly and unforgiving if you’re reliant on public transport. Loads of trips Mr Bart and I couldn’t do because there were no rail lines and our Edinburgh season ticket kept going up allegedly because of inflation but more in order to subsidise rich pensioners to travel for free.

77630 Sarigan, 4, #993 of 1306 🔗

Apologies if posted before but I think this video nails some of the agenda:

NWO – When a plan comes together

77636 tallandbald, replying to tallandbald, 16, #994 of 1306 🔗

Retail report from Costa in Staffordshire.
I was in there for a good 2 hrs today and i would say it was a good 70%/30% in favour of non-mask wearers all the time i was there!!
I was extremely encouraged all morning. At one point the slightly anti-social distanced queue was 9 strong and not one was wearing a mask.

77750 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to tallandbald, #995 of 1306 🔗

We need more reports like this today!

77637 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 24, #996 of 1306 🔗

The only reason this lockdown is possible is the invention of magic money. If it were not for furlough, and a public sector that can stay on full pay for no work, the whole thing would be impossible.
If it were impossible, we would be making very different choices. We would be continuing to work. We would probably all wash our hands more, and avoid too much contact. We would have better hygiene of public spaces. We would probably try to shield the very elderly and sick. We might even have severe penalties for going out when you know you are unwell.
And I am fairly sure, from the data, that the results would be much the same if not better. So really, you could say we are throwing £300 billion of new borrowings at the latest bit of media hysteria, just because we can. Completely crazy. There must be very many other uses of £300 billion with a better life-improvement case.

77659 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to WhyNow, 5, #997 of 1306 🔗

I agree, but differ on the assumption that it is necessary or desirable to do the obsessive handwashing, self-isolation etc. for an extended period. I think it will be probable that our best outcome would be to let the thing wash over us as soon as possible, then get back to normal.

77670 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #998 of 1306 🔗

Let the Covid take its course was what the old folk were saying before lockdown, seems they right.

77707 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to karenovirus, 2, #999 of 1306 🔗

Extra hand washing and distancing and isolation are to flatten the curve to prevent the health service being overwhelmed, and they make sense IF there is a danger of it being overwhelmed, and to give you time to ramp up capacity. After that, herd immunity is the only viable approach.

77719 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Julian, 1, #1000 of 1306 🔗

Hand washing, distancing and isolation was all part of the old normal for older folk as was not spitting or coughing over others.
Shielding them properly would have flattened the curve though would not have saved them in the long run.

77748 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1001 of 1306 🔗

Nothing saves old folk in the long run ….

77736 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Julian, 2, #1002 of 1306 🔗

You mean what was going on before March 23rd?

It was working as quoted by CMO Chief Whitty on 21st July 2020:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

77746 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 1, #1003 of 1306 🔗

I would suggest that “the curve” has been concave for months now.

78051 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Barney McGrew, #1004 of 1306 🔗

The hygiene should just be standard practice to avoid colds and flu.

77667 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to WhyNow, 1, #1005 of 1306 🔗

Depends on your agenda and whether you think the £300billion is an investment in your endgame.

77686 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1006 of 1306 🔗

I believe they have no intention of ever paying the money back.They have been overly generous with furlough,self employed payments and the various loans business can receive.That alone should get alarm bells ringing.

77702 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1007 of 1306 🔗

We’ve probably borrowed it from ourselves to a large extent. If you can get someone else to lend you money, and then just don’t pay it back, you’ve had a free holiday, but I think as the entire industrialised world shut down, we have just borrowed it from ourselves and it will need to be paid back by us working harder to make up for all the idle time. Plus the massive disruption to the economy which will take years to unravel. Maybe the Chinese will lose out, a bit.

77715 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 2, #1008 of 1306 🔗

The Bank of England are buying the debt,just printing the money,we all know where that leads.

77723 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1009 of 1306 🔗

Yes, more house inflation which is what happened with QI.

77726 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1010 of 1306 🔗

There are people who think that printing money makes you richer. I think economic illiteracy is one of the problems that has led us to where we are.

77742 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1011 of 1306 🔗

Mine have been deafening!

77838 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cheezilla, #1012 of 1306 🔗

You are definitely in the the tin foil hat club with me. Im matching it with a Turquoise tracksuit Icke style

77703 ▶▶ Julian, replying to WhyNow, 1, #1013 of 1306 🔗

I agree that without magic money it would not have happened like it has, and that the money has been stupidly thrown away.

77745 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, #1014 of 1306 🔗

I’m not sure about stupid. I think they know exactly what they’re doing.

77773 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to WhyNow, 2, #1015 of 1306 🔗

Which is one reason why gold and silver are rocketing up.

77650 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 14, #1016 of 1306 🔗

I bloody hate this. One of my Saturday staff (doing a few extra hours today) just tried to get into the bank to get some change – access denied as no mask. Bastards.

77655 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to kh1485, 14, #1017 of 1306 🔗

Try ringing up the bank and speak to the manager and ask him that when your staff member next enters the bank, complete with mask, would they like him/her to carry a sawn off shot gun as well?

77669 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Harry hopkins, 8, #1018 of 1306 🔗

Got the sods back, just gave her the exempt lanyard and she got in no questions asked … jeez …

77678 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 8, #1019 of 1306 🔗

If they allow people in with lanyard, they must recognise that there may be a disability. So if they refuse someone without lanyard (or mask) they know they could be refusing on the grounds of disability. And there’s a law for that… But before it gets to that, Gov guidance says you should not challenge people who are exempt.

77712 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1020 of 1306 🔗

Spoke to someone yesterday who escaped an abuse relationship that involved getting strangled. She used this to get an exemption pass from Stagecoach and uses it elsewhere as required.

77729 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to karenovirus, 5, #1021 of 1306 🔗

I’ve seen transport companies offering exemption passes, if you provide all your details, including what your exemption/disability is. This is absolutely not necessary. All that’s needed are the words “I am exempt”.

77737 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sam Vimes, #1022 of 1306 🔗

Several transport companies have online ones you can just download.

77679 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 8, #1023 of 1306 🔗

My bloody bank,Natwest,still making customers wait on the path outside to be let in one at a time whatever the weather with masks and distancing compulsory (not for me they’re bloody not) even for the staff who prior to July 24th weren’t wearing any so-called ppe,it was the last straw for me this morning,my anger level is off the scale and it isn’t coming down yet,I have absolutely bloody well had enough !.Everywhere I have been I have been massively outnumbered by zombies,only saw one other un-masked person out of about a couple of hundred people I must have seen in the shops.
Many more wandering the streets away from the shops muzzled up,more in cars too and to top it all a patient transport ambulance driver wearing one whilst driving.

77691 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Paul, 8, #1024 of 1306 🔗

Me too mate, trying to keep a lid on things. Think it’s because I’ve been popping into the office this week and seeing the zombies waiting for buses masked up or about to ceremoniously put their mask as the bus approaches, also lots of maskage in Morrisons last night.

77692 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to stefarm, 4, #1025 of 1306 🔗

As Awkward said the other day, I’m ready to ‘twat’ someone. More bloody masks here and some effing toss-pot at HSBC yells at a youngster: “mask!” … I despair.

77696 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 5, #1026 of 1306 🔗

All bullies and I hate bullies!!!

77793 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to kh1485, 4, #1027 of 1306 🔗

Poor sleep again. Woke up from a nightmare in which someone was forcing a mask on me….

77698 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to stefarm, 4, #1028 of 1306 🔗

It seemed the zombies would only be seen in the town centre last week but now they have started to spread out towards the edges of the town and it’s getting harder and harder to avoid them.

77924 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Paul, #1029 of 1306 🔗

Oh no!!!

77699 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 7, #1030 of 1306 🔗

You know what makes me absolutely despair about this is that no-one bats an eye-lid at all this bollocks. They just bloody go along with it. Sorry, furious today at how my young employee was barked at.

77701 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to kh1485, 3, #1031 of 1306 🔗

It was because she was young and female, of course….

77722 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Paul, 1, #1032 of 1306 🔗

When i do my weekly shop i also stroll around the shopping centre (indoor) where every bank has a branch. And at around 9 am you see outside each one a line of people in the centre of the walkways (specifically marked out for queuing) all 2 metres apart wearing masks queuing for the masked bank staff to come and escort them one at a time into the bank. Ridiculous

77730 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mjr, #1033 of 1306 🔗

Totally ridiculous – and extremely patronising.

I understood the official antisocial-distancing rule to be 1m+. In other words, the extreme 2m doesn’t apply if you’re wearing a face nappy.

Is it because they spent all that money on 2m stickers and they’ll damnwell use them, or is it that the sheeple just stand where the old markings are?

77755 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1034 of 1306 🔗

I watched social distanced rugby training at our local rec last night!

Lot’s of running and ball throwing!

77725 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Paul, #1035 of 1306 🔗

They’ve really swallowed the line whole in your part of the world.
Muzzled in a car is clearly bonkers, what on earth do they think might happen without it?

77785 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cheezilla, #1036 of 1306 🔗

They might catch the ‘rona from themselves!

77926 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kh1485, 1, #1037 of 1306 🔗

Theyr’e much more likely to if they wear the nappy!

77685 ▶▶ Basics, replying to kh1485, 3, #1038 of 1306 🔗

Don’t know if this is the same in England but financial serives are an exception to the mask law in Scotland. This includes banks.


77711 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, 1, #1039 of 1306 🔗

Sanity in Scotland. Obviously Mad Nic wasn’t involved.

77728 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Basics, #1040 of 1306 🔗

Thanks Basics, I’ll look that up …

77687 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to kh1485, 6, #1041 of 1306 🔗

If people can’t see how completely bonkers it is to have to wear a mask to the bank then I despair! What fool wrote this legislation?!


77849 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Moomin, 2, #1042 of 1306 🔗


77971 ▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Moomin, #1043 of 1306 🔗

“Det James Entwistle said: “Incidents like this are thankfully rare.”

Yes, just wait until eye coverings and gloves are mandatory.

Nothing unusual about Jim with his large, 70s mirrored sunglasses, nose-level full snood, ski hat and Marigolds walking into Lloyds. Nope, must be here depositing a cheque or something …

77709 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to kh1485, 2, #1044 of 1306 🔗

It is rare that I watch television but I did see on Irish television yesterday the Irish Taoiseach, Michael Martin, announcing he wasn’t going to let pubs open, stood at a podium in a large sunlit room with Leo stood by near him by his podium and a few other people stood around, all socially distanced but none of them wearing a masked and I thought: Hmm, they are in a room not one wit more cavernous than a supermarket – doesn’t this count?

77783 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #1045 of 1306 🔗

Well, we’re so far down the bloody rabbit hole that sense and truth count for nothing. And the rules are for ‘us’, not ‘them’ …

77973 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to kh1485, #1046 of 1306 🔗

Keep going in wearing a balaclava and gesturing as if you may have a gun.

78070 ▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Farinances, #1047 of 1306 🔗

But be careful if you are in London doing that, the Met have a habit of shooting innocents who they ‘suspect’ have a gun.

77663 thedarkhorse, replying to thedarkhorse, 5, #1049 of 1306 🔗

Had a money plea from Landmark Trust yesterday, on behalf of Lundy Island. We had booked a holiday there last year, to be taken this June. All cancelled, of course. The island has apparently re-opened for visitors, but the MS Oldenburg has to carry far fewer passengers, all socially distanced, which will affect the island’s overall income.
I have actually been to Lundy once before, on a day trip, and loved it, hence the desire this year for a week’s stay. We’ve changed our booking to next year now, but….well, will it ever happen?

77718 ▶▶ TJN, replying to thedarkhorse, 1, #1050 of 1306 🔗

I guess they’re not doing the helicopter trip. Six jammed in the back and one passenger in the cockpit beside the pilot. If you get the chance, my advice is to go that way – saves puking on the Rollenburg. Been thinking about going back myself again. No way will anyone get CV there – the virus doesn’t like the Atlantic air.

77674 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1051 of 1306 🔗

Latest ABTA membership update:

Financial Failure

Pan Express Business Travel Ltd (ABTA P6830/Y6246) of Argyle House, Joel Street, Northwood, Greater London, HA6 1NW. Company ceased trading 1 July 2020.

Fleetway Travel Ltd (ABTA D0238/W0482) of 1 Connaught Place, London, Greater London, W2 2ET. Company ceased trading on 13 July 2020.

David Urquhart Sky Travel Ltd (ABTA E2964/W0374) of 127 Strathmore House, East Kilbdride, Glasgow, Strathclyde, G74 1LF. Business ceased trading 16 July 2020.

Snowchateaux Ltd (ABTA Y6154) of 43 Grosvenor Street, London, Greater London, W1K 3JG. Business ceased trading on 11 July 2020.

South Quay Travel & Leisure Ltd (ABTA V9945) of Gateway House, Stonehouse Lane, Purfleet, Essex, RM19 1NS. Member ceased trading 20 July 2020 Also includes branches W9006 – Gateway House, Stonehouse Lane, Purfleet and W9754 – 38/40 Hight Street, West Wickham, BR4 0NJ.

Viceroy Ltd (ABTA 61659/Y6550) of Cappo House, 38/40 High Street, West Wickham, Kent, BR4 0NJ. Member ceased trading on 20 July 2020.

Membership Resignations and Terminations

CITO Ltd (ABTA Y6287) of Monkswell Business Centre, Manse Lane, Knaresborough, North Yorkshire, HG5 8NQ. Member resigned 1 July due to retirement of owner.

Glencor Golf Holidays Ltd (ABTA Y6437) of 9 Clifton Moor Business Village, James Nicolson Link, York, North Yorkshire, YO30 4XG. Member resigned 14 July 2020.

Routes to Suit Travel Ltd (ABTA E4419/Y0501) of Rayburn House, 37 Brunel Parkway, Pride Park, Derby, Derbyshire, DE24 8HR. Member resigned 27 July 2020.

HF Holidays Ltd (ABTA Y6672) of Catalyst House, 720 Centennial Court, Centennial Park, Elstree, Hertfordshire, WD6 3SY. Member resigned 30 July 2020.

Travelsmith Ltd (ABTA V1290) of Travelsmith House, 38 High Street, Burnham-On-Crouch, Essex, CM0 8AA. Member resigned 31 July 2020.

Acorn Venture Ltd (ABTA V3629) of 22 Worcester Street, Stourbridge, West Midlands, DY8 1AN. Member resigned 31 July 2020.

Advanced Travel Partners UK Ltd (ABTA 13481/W6258) of Linen Court, 10 East Road, London, Greater London, N1 6AD. Member resigned 31 July 2020.

Supreme World Travel Ltd (ABTA K8321/W9824) of 467 – 469 High Road, Leton, London, Greater London, E10 5EL. Member resigned 31 July 2020.

September is ATOL renewals – expect a lot of travel companies to fail.

77871 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1052 of 1306 🔗

Sad about HF, we’ve had some great holidays with them.
Started originally to give poor factory workers a break in the countryside.

77688 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 1, #1053 of 1306 🔗

There is a thread on KeepBritainFree stating that Simon Dolan’s airline mandates masks for all staff and all passengers on its flights. 🙁

77697 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, 1, #1054 of 1306 🔗

Executive decision following insurance or H&S decree? Does Simon actually know? Not everything goes through the owner.
A link would have been nice.

77704 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1055 of 1306 🔗

 Simon makes his staff and customers wear masks and they removed the thread about it after a few people read it and left in disgust. So here is another


Oh dear there seems to be an awful lot of people concerned on twitter as to why Simon suspends accounts, deletes threads and refuses to explain why he makes kids wear ‘muzzles’… assuming it was Simon?

It would be helpful if he spoke up for himself about it!

77727 ▶▶▶▶ tallandbald, replying to Cheezilla, #1056 of 1306 🔗

Yep – i was reading that one and now that has disappeared as well!

77910 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to tallandbald, #1057 of 1306 🔗

Sounds like trolls being dealt with.

I had a look on the local sections of the forum the other day.

One is full of “rainbow warriors” and unicorn fanciers. They won’t help the cause at all. It needs to be totally mainstream to have an effect.

77837 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1058 of 1306 🔗

This is the kind of tactics political smearers get up to.

77841 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1059 of 1306 🔗

It may be, but if you’re going to accept praise then you have to accept criticism.

77713 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to JohnB, 2, #1060 of 1306 🔗

Airlines probably have to if they want to keep flying

77751 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to JohnB, 3, #1061 of 1306 🔗

Think about it. Simon hates all this, he hates lockdown, he hates masks, he doesn’t want masks. He’s fighting HMG to stop all this. The government/s are forcing him to play by their book. He could ban masks on flights, get no customers, go bust and have no more money to take legal action of fund a website/movement.

77799 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1062 of 1306 🔗

The concern for me would be the deleting of threads discussing it. The issue itself is minor, but suppressing truth by censorship rather than confronting it openly come what may, is a problem, if that is indeed what is happening.

77807 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Mark, #1063 of 1306 🔗

I didn’t see it but they may have sensed that it was being used to discredit Simon and damage the case. 77th etc

77831 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1064 of 1306 🔗

Think that is still classed as suppression.

77879 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1065 of 1306 🔗

Yesterday I noticed a bit of trolling on the KBF forum & Twitter, Simon asked the person what questions he had and tried to answer them, it was clear this person was just about disrupting things.

Individual or 77th, I do not know.

77915 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1066 of 1306 🔗

I agree but surely it’s just better to label it trolling to discourage any feeding and leave it up? Like it or not, it was censored.

78057 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Cheezilla, #1067 of 1306 🔗

Yes, always, imo

77888 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1068 of 1306 🔗

I work in a school and am dreading being told that I will have to wear a mask when pupils return in September.

Would I quite my job because my employer tells me to wear a mask?

I would love to but I need to live, and with Mrs Doubting already on the rock & roll, and no work in sight, It would be madness to walk away from a monthly salary.

Simon D has much much more to lose.

77782 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to JohnB, 1, #1069 of 1306 🔗

Clearly started by people who have no idea how to run business—there’s a difference between agreeing with something and have to comply with regulations or have your business shut/incur massive penalties.

77859 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to IMoz, 1, #1070 of 1306 🔗

I have assumed airlines are subject to the same law as shops, public transport ? So that even with the Jota website wording, medical and age-related exemptions still apply.

Anyone know for sure ? I have read here tales from people who have flown sans mask

77867 ▶▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to JohnB, 1, #1071 of 1306 🔗

Yup. It’s quite hillarious though, when you’re working, you’re exempt, when you go on a break, you have to wear it! Clever virus we got here! — https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-safer-aviation-guidance-for-operators#face-coverings

77880 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, 1, #1072 of 1306 🔗

From Imoz’s link, the same exemptions apply.

77693 Cheezilla, 2, #1073 of 1306 🔗

I shop without muzzle, post lockdown dissent daily on facebook and ignore the silly rules as much as my basically quiet life allows.

I’m living in a local lockdown area but my son visited twice over the weekend and as he left, we shared big ostentatious hugs in the gateway.
My Bradford friend is already plotting for us to go out for lunch next week – we’ll hug too! 😉

However, I got a notice through the door this morning to advise me they’re starting to lay gigabit cabling on my street this week. Here comes 5G in an area that’s already well served by 54Mbps cable. Feel much more despondent today than I have since March.

Oh well. Saw one of those “fluffy pink” pictures on fb with the caption:
We can’t always choose the music life plays for us but we can choose how we dance to it.

Dance on, friends!

77700 flyingjohn, replying to flyingjohn, 17, #1074 of 1306 🔗

There is no ‘second wave’, no ‘spike’, just more testing which, surprise, surprise finds more infections. But they are not new cases, they are old ones. The only data that matters is deaths and hospital admissions due to Covid. The number of infections is a smokescreen. Because the virus is disappearing, to keep up the presence of a deadly pandemic, the government and their advisors no longer talk about deaths, but ‘new infections’.

There is no second wave. Johnson’s and the ‘scientists’ latest mantra about ‘the danger of a second wave’ is pure scaremongering to keep us subdued and compliant and to readily accept another lockdown this winter.

It is clearly untrue, and yet the MSM faithfully parrot this nonsense.

77798 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to flyingjohn, 1, #1075 of 1306 🔗

The problem is that the “first” wave is still making its way around the world. As is described in this excellent blogpost:


I’ve not seen you before, so if you are new, welcome to our community, and if not new, then hi!!

77705 Basics, replying to Basics, #1076 of 1306 🔗

Indiana Jones and the raiders of the last covids. I hate to share the guardian. However without abillity to attach a picture here I can only leave a link.

One image that says so much.


77734 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Basics, 1, #1077 of 1306 🔗


77794 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 1, #1078 of 1306 🔗

Love the way they say that “ the number of infections is accelerating and the peak still lies ahead”. Because it’s now reached the southern hemisphere, that’s why. Jeez, how to lie and lie and lie with statistics…

77724 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #1079 of 1306 🔗

Notes for the North West Naughty Folk.

The guidance they published on 31/7/2020 says you shouldn’t mix with people you don’t live with in ‘private homes or gardens’ – yours or someone else’s. It then goes on to say you shouldn’t socialise in pubs, cafes, restaurants, leisure venues etc.

After this list, it says “The government will pass new laws to enforce the changes to meeting people in private homes and gardens .” Not the full list, see?

And guess what? The actual law, out today does not mention the words ‘pub’ or ‘public house’ or any location except ‘private dwellings’.

The list above was in the press, that’s what the sheep hear and believe, but of course none of them look at the actual law. TPTB ruin people’s lives, but can always say “we never actually said that”. SOB.

Of course, we’re going to ignore it anyway.

77747 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #1080 of 1306 🔗

I am enjoying my new life as a sneaky criminal. I think someone said a while back we are like dissidents and it is feeling more and more that way. Having to be careful and determine who is on your side, who will tell on you. My doctor friend has cancelled his planned birthday party for his 5 year old in his garden because he has concerns about whether his neighbours will snitch. We will go some where else. Another northern friend has started giving her address as Wolverhampton!!!

77816 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wendy, #1081 of 1306 🔗

No snitchers round here, bless ’em, but I’ve heard some horror stories from Bradford.

77753 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Sam Vimes, #1082 of 1306 🔗

So, is it actually law now? Apparently they’re reviewing it tomorrow!

77766 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Moomin, #1083 of 1306 🔗


Dunno about review tomorrow. Why when it’s just been issued today?

77821 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sam Vimes, #1084 of 1306 🔗

It was only made actual law yesterday. Just bossyness before then.

Last week when they announced the pennine lockdown, they said they’d review in a week.
I think the legislation says it must be reviewed within 14 days.
Let’s hope they don’t spin it out like poor Leicester.

From the edict:

The emergency period and review of need for restrictions

4.—(1) For the purposes of this Part, the “emergency period”—

(a)starts when these Regulations come into force, and

(b)ends in relation to a restriction imposed by this Part on the day and at the time specified in a direction given by the Secretary of State under this regulation terminating the restriction.

(2) The Secretary of State must review the need for restrictions imposed by this Part at least once every 14 days, with the first review being carried out by 19th August 2020.

So in effect a three-week lockdown – minimum  !

77843 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, #1085 of 1306 🔗

No impact assessment has been carried out for these Regulations.


77847 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1086 of 1306 🔗

We can do what we want. Nerrr!

77813 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sam Vimes, #1087 of 1306 🔗

Thanks for this. Good to have clarity – but I also intend to ignore it anyway.

77732 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 13, #1088 of 1306 🔗

There are many bunches of gits in this country, but surely the Teachers’ Unions are one of the biggest. This from The Telegraph coronavirus live feed:

Ministers are coming under pressure to allow face coverings to be worn in schools in England ahead of their full reopening next month, with unions arguing that the position on schools is currently “out of step” with other public health guidance.
Shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth has said face coverings for older children in schools “should be considered” as students return in September.
Government guidance for schools returning in September says face coverings are not required as pupils and staff are mixing in consistent groups – and they should be removed on arrival at the school gates.
But the NASUWT teachers’ union has called on the Department for Education (DfE) to revise its guidance on face coverings “as a matter of urgency” to help staff return to school in the autumn with “confidence”.
Patrick Roach, general-secretary of NASUWT, said the position in schools is “out of step” with public health guidance that suggests face masks should be worn when physical distancing cannot be assured.
The GMB union has also called on ministers to allow school staff to wear face masks if they want to when they return in September.

Note how the GMB Union want teachers to have the option of wearing a face nappy, but for pupils the implication is that it would be compulsory. Bloody sods!

77740 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1089 of 1306 🔗

They only have themselves to blame. Once starting to mandate them in shops etc it was only a matter of time for schools. And if we need them in shops then they must be needed in schools. Perhaps masks will be the undoing of Boris and sooner the better. Someone has got to get a grip.

77757 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to wendy, 1, #1090 of 1306 🔗

Indeed. Logic dictates they’d be useful almost everywhere, all the time, if they are useful in shops.

77803 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 2, #1091 of 1306 🔗

What? Where? Who?

77788 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to wendy, 3, #1092 of 1306 🔗

How is Spain doing in comparison to Sweden these days?
After all Spain has been full on fascist about face masks everywhere for weeks now and Sweden can see no benefit in them, so we have the perfect opportunity to see if the muzzled morons are correct.

77795 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Nessimmersion, #1093 of 1306 🔗

Swedish stats are here: https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa

Don’t know how much testing they are doing, but no increase in cases, ICU or deaths.

77800 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #1094 of 1306 🔗

Well Sweden has pretty much achieved population immunity and Spain hasn’t and is determined not to – but the virus will probably achieve population immunity eventuall despite Spanish incompetance

77801 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wendy, 5, #1095 of 1306 🔗

The sooner HMG find an excuse to abandon muzzle-wearing the better.
Unfortunately, as muzzling was an important psy-op, I don’t hold much hope.

If face nappies are mandated for schoolkids, I foresee an epidemic of teenage strep throat this winter. Much more dangerous than any bad cold virus.

The amount HMG are prepared to sacrifice for their agenda is criminal and quite staggering, not in financial terms but in social and health costs.

77810 ▶▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Cheezilla, #1096 of 1306 🔗

I was walking through town and spotted a bloke with a patent cold sore on a lip, he went to drag his mask from his chin back up while touching the thing all over then friends started passing him things back and forth…

77866 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to IMoz, 2, #1097 of 1306 🔗

Pouring with rain here today, three nappied numpties with a mixture of rain water and snot trickling down their necks. Outside, and nappies not needed in Wales anyway. (Except on public transport. Buses going around empty.)

78178 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to IMoz, #1098 of 1306 🔗


78008 ▶▶▶▶ Gossamer, replying to Cheezilla, #1099 of 1306 🔗

Just about every policy from the outset has had the effect of damaging our health – both mental and physical. As a firm believer in Hanlon’s Razor, I’m now past the stage where I can believe this was all one big cock-up.

78179 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Gossamer, -1, #1100 of 1306 🔗

Disagree – one big psy-op!

77741 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1101 of 1306 🔗

They have been and continue to be the pits. Opportunistic wankers

77756 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1102 of 1306 🔗

This spineless government should have read the riot act at the start. The teachers union Twitter accounts in mid-March indicated they were certainly primed and ready to go as soon as Ferguson’s paper was disseminated. Their ‘unofficial strike’ had already forced closures when so many of them decided to self-isolate, and of course the metropolitan types had already withdrawn little Jacinta and Tarquin from school in case they ‘died’. They need a dose of Charlie Mullins, ideally in mid March, but now is as good a time as any.

77761 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1103 of 1306 🔗

“to help staff return to school in the autumn with “confidence”.”

If you demand other people wear masks, you don’t have any confidence to start with.

77804 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1104 of 1306 🔗

Ashworth is such a dangerous tosser.

77903 ▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1105 of 1306 🔗

Jesus Sodding Christ, How many more monumentally absurd edicts can this shambolic “governing” class try to hurl down upon us like thunderbolts from fucking looney Gods?

It’s bad enough for many adults with exemptions to face the icy glares from the throngs of faceless zombies in shops and stores, but how about our children? The ones with genuine anxiety or breathing difficulties or a raft of other obvious or non-obvious attributes which will make them stand out without a nappie?

Will they look like cool rebellious types who play by their own rules? Or will they be bullied and made fun of for the presumed exemption which may not be obvious and the subject of cruel children’s speculation?

Jesus. I’m seething.

77969 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1106 of 1306 🔗

I hope parents don’t send their kids back and MAKE IT KNOWN that it’s because of muzzles and ‘protecting’ shitweasel teachers who value their own selfish hides (and have no critical thinking skills) above the welfare of their pupils. Fuck them, they’re disgusting.

– And if you’re a teacher who’s looking to reply with “but it’s not all teachers!” then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. DISAGREE. LOBBY YOUR UNION. Or you’re complicit.

77754 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #1107 of 1306 🔗

Just been announced Aberdeen is to go back into lockdown, cafes, pubs, bars & restaurants to close by 17:00 today.

77762 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #1108 of 1306 🔗

Just heard Sturgeon on Sky – what does this mean for school openings next week/week after in Scotland? This will be a test case for English schools too.

77767 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #1109 of 1306 🔗

It was coming. Full lockdown next, nobody in or out.

77774 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to stefarm, 1, #1110 of 1306 🔗

What across the Scotland / England border?

77893 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #1111 of 1306 🔗

She will probably roll out the stormtroopers to man the border. I’m driving to Kent week after next, no way am I staying locked in doors during my week off.

77770 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Dave #KBF, 5, #1112 of 1306 🔗

Is that because 13 folk had mild symptoms?

77776 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1113 of 1306 🔗

54 cases I think they said.

Maybe they have increased testing.

Anyone from the Granite City here to tell us?

77780 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dave #KBF, #1114 of 1306 🔗

Scotland 23 cases yesterday, according to this:

77786 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Cheezilla, #1115 of 1306 🔗

The number was mentioned on talkRADIO news at 12:30

77790 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #1116 of 1306 🔗

Depends where you look for the numbers – none of which are guaranteed accurate because of the way they’re recorded.

Hospital bed occupancy is probably the best guide but that doesn’t help if the govt is regulating from positive test results.

77784 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Dave #KBF, 7, #1117 of 1306 🔗

Always remember that with the Spiteful Nannying Party everything is political.
The only reason Krankie and the Natzis went for more lockdown and muzzling kabuki is to stifle any economic recovery.
As long as the economy is on the dungheap, they can blame the eeeeeevil tories for not spending enough.
While their friends in the media / BBC carefully memory hole any mention of Scots Care Home comparative performance

77787 ▶▶ FiFiTrixabelle, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #1118 of 1306 🔗


77862 ▶▶ annie, replying to Dave #KBF, #1119 of 1306 🔗

Short road to ruin.
Presumably they had all stocked up and arranged staff hours on the assumption that they’d be operating. How can you possibly run a business this way?

78045 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Dave #KBF, #1120 of 1306 🔗

Sturgeon was getting jealous. Wanted to announce her own lockdown, not a hand-me-down from Westminster.

77758 RDawg, replying to RDawg, 13, #1121 of 1306 🔗

Just went to my local Screwfix to pick up some goods.
“Have you got a face covering, sir?”
“No, I can’t wear one.”

*Look of stunned silence.*

“I’m exempt.”
“Oh, ok.”
Let’s me in and announces to her colleagues (all but one unmasked), “Got one exempt here.”

It was like being treated as a biohazard in an army camp.

77759 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RDawg, 5, #1122 of 1306 🔗

at least they didn;t try and hose you down…

77763 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RDawg, 5, #1123 of 1306 🔗

Oh no. I used to like Screwfix!

77772 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to RDawg, 13, #1124 of 1306 🔗

Swap “one exempt” for “a spaz” or “a black one”. Not nice is it, Screwfix?

77775 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #1125 of 1306 🔗

Would it contravene the Equalities Act?
Could be expensive. Worth a letter to management!

77781 ▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1126 of 1306 🔗

Indeed worth letting management know that they have a fool as a doorman.

77777 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to RDawg, 6, #1127 of 1306 🔗

Considering they are dealing with builders all day long, Screwfix are unbelievable bedwetters.

77779 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to RDawg, 3, #1128 of 1306 🔗

Why not just shout “oi oi! Disabled one coming through!” Other businesses at least manage to treat exempt people with discretion.

77802 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to RDawg, 4, #1129 of 1306 🔗

You could always carry a bell and shout “unclean” as you enter.

77842 ▶▶▶ RDawg, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #1130 of 1306 🔗

That’s how I was made to feel!

78090 ▶▶ Paul, replying to RDawg, 1, #1131 of 1306 🔗

I had a disagreement at my local Screwfix a few weeks ago about them treating customers like they had just crawled from a Petri dish.The young members of staff,who were no older than early twenties,seemed offended and shocked by my request for some common sense and a bit of respect for their customers but the older lady who actually served me agreed with me and said she didn’t like the pathetic system management had out in place.

78863 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to RDawg, #1132 of 1306 🔗

Not impressed with their radio advertisements either – all about how sad they make it for the shopper. Vomit!

77760 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 19, #1133 of 1306 🔗

Update on Join the Legal Challenge to the UK Govt Lockdown

Our challenge against the UK Government lockdown will continue to be heard after the Court of Appeal yesterday ruled that the case highlighted ‘fundamental’ concerns over the accountability of Government Ministers.
The Judicial Review will now proceed to a rolled-up hearing expected to be held at the Court of Appeal during the week commencing the 28th September after a ruling was handed down by Lord Justice Hickinbottom.
The hearing will decide on whether the case should progress to a full Appeal which would see the Government once again pressed to defend the introduction of measures which were described by the court as “possibly the most restrictive regime on the public life of persons and businesses ever.”
Lord Justice Hickinbottom said that the legal challenge “potentially raises fundamental issues concerning the proper spheres for democratically-accountable Ministers of the Government and judges.”
Owing to Government restrictions, our first hearing was held virtually. However, Lord Justice Hickinbottom ordered in his review that the case should be “considered by the full court in open court, and the Applicants given any opportunity to make good their case at least on arguability.”

77769 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1134 of 1306 🔗

Yay! :o))

77856 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1135 of 1306 🔗

Do I detect a whiff of scepticism among the Judiciary?
Hope so!

77906 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1136 of 1306 🔗

It’s excellent news but it amazes me how long it is taking, when Miller & Cherry had their cases sorted through the courts in days!

78195 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, #1137 of 1306 🔗

Problem is that Hickinbottom is suspect – he is signed up to diversity and it was him who denied Robin Tilbrook a chance to argue his Brexit case…despite the fact that a number of lawyers – Francis Hoar included – thought it was an arguable case…

77765 Nobody2020, 4, #1138 of 1306 🔗

The worst/funniest (add your preference here) thing about all this is that nobody in the world voted for any of this.

77771 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1139 of 1306 🔗

NYC Health Commissioner resigns, claims “the Health Department’s incomparable disease control expertise was not used to the degree it could have been.”


Guess she could not handle the lying anymore and has a conscience after all.

77789 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1140 of 1306 🔗

But Fauci said NY “got it correct”.

77792 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1141 of 1306 🔗

well that’s confirmation of a fcuk up

77797 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #1142 of 1306 🔗

Retail Report:

Lidl 50/50 masks on customers, staff 100% masked, sad, expected better from Lidl.
Waitrose Mrs Doubting was the only non masked customer, staff are not wearing masks unless they are on the shop floor.

No hassle from anyone in either shop, no lanyard was worn.

78866 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dave #KBF, #1143 of 1306 🔗

Waitrose very disappointing

77815 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 11, #1144 of 1306 🔗

The new abnormal in Strikes Garden Centre, Stokesley, North Yorks.

Restaurant – queue up anti-socially distanced until invited to a table by a be-visored assistant. Laminated menu, with green spot indicating table is clean (turned over by staff to display red dot if table in need of fumigating after last party of lepers have left). Waitress: “Please download our app for Track and Trace, then order your meal via the app.” Me: “I don’t have a phone with me”. Waitress: “Sorry, but we can’t serve you unless you have one for T&T and to place an order”. We buggered off without eating.


77828 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1145 of 1306 🔗

I am sure some owners/ operators of these places either have excess money they need to lose, have been badly advised by overzealous H&S types or are just stooopid.

77834 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #1146 of 1306 🔗

I think it’s the usual ‘deciding it’s law without actually checking’ thing. It’s entirely voluntary.

77957 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1147 of 1306 🔗

I believe they have a death wish.


77817 Julian, replying to Julian, 8, #1148 of 1306 🔗

My MP refuses to rule out voting for compulsory vaccination:

“I would not like to preempt whether or not a vaccine against Covid-19 should be made mandatory, especially while a vaccine is, at present, not available for the public.

I am, however, reassured at the number of people who have volunteered for the vaccine testing programme. In one week, 72,000 people signed up to the NHS Covid-19 vaccine research registry. This shows that people are willing to help the cause and I am confident that this will continue when a vaccine becomes available.”

I think we need to start writing to all our MPs and asking them this simple question:
“Can I have your assurance that you would never support any measure that made coronavirus vaccinations compulsory?”

And naming and shaming the ones that don’t.

From here: http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=31058&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights

Article 6 – Consent

1. Any preventive, diagnostic and therapeutic medical intervention is only to be carried out with the prior, free and informed consent of the person concerned, based on adequate information. The consent should, where appropriate, be express and may be withdrawn by the person concerned at any time and for any reason without disadvantage or prejudice.

77820 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Julian, #1149 of 1306 🔗

Did your MP volunteer for the testing programme? I’m sure Lt Gruber and Kranky will have signed up.

77868 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, #1150 of 1306 🔗

This is a good idea I think. Somebody internet-savvy could create a public database of MPs and candidates with their responses to this specific question.

That way people could easily choose to only vote for those who have ruled out compulsory vaccination.

77872 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 2, #1151 of 1306 🔗

I also think that it MAY serve to stimulate some more opposition to the madness – you need to be a real zealot to be happy with forcing people to me medically treated. I’ll email Mr Young and suggest he could have a section for it on the site, maybe get the message out on Twitter.

77873 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Julian, 2, #1152 of 1306 🔗

My MP down here in Devon – Geoffrey Cox (Cons) – has told me he’s against compulsory poisoning.

What’s your MP’s name?

We need a list of names with against/not against/don’t know against them. I wonder if such a list could be set up on this site?

As I posted here last week, it should be a simple matter for any Sceptic to email their MP with this fundamental question, and it will be difficult for them to refuse to answer.

77877 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to TJN, #1153 of 1306 🔗

Julie Marson

77889 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Julian, #1154 of 1306 🔗

Well that’s two for the list. I also was thinking about emailing Toby about setting up such a directory. No point in us all bothering the poor chap, so hopefully he’ll get back to you.

As you say, it might also help to flush out some MPs who are wavering over this nonsense.

77897 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to TJN, 3, #1155 of 1306 🔗

Some might say: “it’ll never happen”, but most would have said that of lockdown, compulsory masks and half the rest of this government’s loony policies.

Best to get in early on this one.

77920 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Mark, 2, #1156 of 1306 🔗

Yes, bang on. In my view, whether they know it or not, people wearing muzzles are implicitly moving towards the acceptance of compulsory jabs.

77931 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to TJN, 1, #1157 of 1306 🔗

It still leaves the problem of pressure short of outright, open coercion, such as requiring vaccination for access to education, government services, public transport, etc. But at least it does put in place a backstop.

77943 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 1, #1158 of 1306 🔗

Exactly – it’s the ones that say “it’ll never happen” that need to be frightened

77940 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to TJN, #1159 of 1306 🔗

I’ve emailed Toby

78054 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Julian, 1, #1160 of 1306 🔗

Maybe we need a discussion on a forum page? In any case, I’ll look out for an update here on on the new (today’s) posting page.

77900 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Julian, #1161 of 1306 🔗

Just seen on her wiki page that she has called for, to quote the page, ‘LGBT+ conversion therapy to be banned, labelling it “morally and medically wrong’.

In views of wich it seems odd that she’s not horrified by the prospect of compulsory jabs.

77913 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to TJN, #1162 of 1306 🔗

Sorry, Mrs TJN has just enlightened me on this – I misunderstood it. It’s the therapy for conversion to hetrosexualism (can’t think of another term more suited for here) that she’s against. That’s not unreasonable, so my post above is meaningless.

One (i.e. me) can get oneself in a terrible mess in all this!.

77896 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to TJN, #1163 of 1306 🔗

Hello, I’m in Devon as well and my MP is also Geoffrey Cox, this is a first, he’s done something I like and agree with. Perhaps we should now try him on something else?

77916 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1164 of 1306 🔗

Someone else from down here!

He’s been bombarded by emails from Mrs TJN and me, and has sat resolutely on his (presumably very comfortable country) fence. He’s had some pretty blistering stuff from the two of us.

I’m informed (a taxi driver writes) that there was no one in Derriford Hosp last week with covid.

77887 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Julian, 3, #1165 of 1306 🔗

This is deeply worrying. There are many vested interests in the vaccine bandwagon and none of them are aligned to our individual or collective best interests. Boris & Co have signed the UK up to a giant phase III trial on behalf of the world. I can see either mandatory or coercive action to have all our kids, students and front-line workers vaccinated. NO, unless, and until the whole cabal of vested interests and families have had their shot(s), and I can personally witness the side effects over the ‘normal’ 4-5 years for vaccine trials!

77921 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Julian, 3, #1166 of 1306 🔗

This is deeply worrying. There are many vested interests in the vaccine bandwagon and none of them are aligned to our individual or collective best interests. Boris & Co have signed the UK up to a giant phase III trial on behalf of the world. I can see either mandatory or coercive action to have all our kids, students and front-line workers vaccinated. NO, unless, and until the whole cabal of vested interests and families have had their shot(s), and I can personally witness the side effects over the ‘normal’ 4-5 years for vaccine trials.

77845 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Sarigan, #1168 of 1306 🔗

It’s gone. Technical error by the look of it.

77853 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tenchy, #1169 of 1306 🔗

Still gone. Sabotage?

77904 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to annie, #1170 of 1306 🔗


77857 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1171 of 1306 🔗
77886 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Mark, #1172 of 1306 🔗

Great film. No wokery in that one.

77890 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tenchy, #1173 of 1306 🔗

The best Vietnam film set in WW2 ever made.

77891 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, #1174 of 1306 🔗

And a good heist movie as well.

77954 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Sarigan, #1175 of 1306 🔗

no its not …..
“This page doesn’t seem to exist.

It looks like the link pointing here was faulty. Maybe try searching?”

must be some problem

77832 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 23, #1176 of 1306 🔗

Interested to know what others would do if they thought they might have caught covid-19. Clearly with upto 90% of cases being asymptomatic we may have it or have had and be none the wiser but what would you do if you woke up tomorrow with those typical mild symptoms of a dry cough, a slight fever etc?

Personally I would do exactly what I would do if I thought I had a bad cold or a bout of the flu: I’d tell the family to give me a wide birth and stay at home until I felt better. What I won’t be doing is getting in touch with NHS direct or my GP unless I thought I was seriously ill. I certainly won’t be volunteering to get myself tested.

Am I being irresponsible? I just think for a disease with 90% asymptomstic, low hospitalisation and mortality rates why drive the government panic machine and allow them to interfere in my life on an even bigger scale. I already keep clear of the vulnerable. All my day to day contacts are healthy people of working age.

77840 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #1177 of 1306 🔗

Your response would be absolutely correct. Telling NHS would probably open a massive can of worms.

77848 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1178 of 1306 🔗

Amen to that!

Incidentally, has anybody tried asking a young zombie what they think would happen if they caught the bug?

77855 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to annie, 1, #1179 of 1306 🔗

No, but I have my spiel ready. “What happens if you test positive? Death? Hospital? Hosed down? Examination? Medicine? No, they will tell you to go home.”

78153 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tenchy, #1180 of 1306 🔗

Your whole county locked down. Mandatory testing – in your own home …….

77846 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1181 of 1306 🔗

Very sensible and not irresponsible at all Exactly what we would all have done before the nonsense and hysteria took hold.

77858 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #1182 of 1306 🔗

It sounds eminently sensible to me and not at all irresponsible. When I had bronchitis (?) very badly in the winter, before all this crap, I just stayed at home. I didn’t go to any of my social activities until I was better because I didn’t want to pass it on. Surely, this was how to deal with CV19, plus a better effort at protecting the vulnerable?

When I worked (I’m retired) I used to be furious when people came to work with colds etc because of the prevailing ‘presentee’ culture. Like many people, if I caught their cold it would nearly always lead to a chest infection because I’m asthmatic.

They were the irresponsible ones, in my opinion.

77860 ▶▶ wendy, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #1183 of 1306 🔗

I would just do the same, look after myself, keep away from other people and especially anyone vulnerable and not go for a test. There is no need. I think someone posted yesterday seeing a sign saying if you want the pandemic to end don’t get a test.

77882 ▶▶ clem, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #1184 of 1306 🔗

Unless I’m so ill I need to go to hospital, not a chance I’m getting tested.
I’m telling all my family unless they want to risk another local lock down to not get tested

77894 ▶▶ fiery, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #1185 of 1306 🔗

I’d do exactly the same. No test and I certainly wouldn’t go to hospital even if I was seriously ill. I wouldn’t thank anyone who put me on a ventilator which would leave me semi disabled and a burden on others afterwards. If I’m going to spend my remaining healthy years living out the current pantomime I’d rather my life was cut short.

77907 ▶▶ Will, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #1186 of 1306 🔗

No chance I will be taking any sort of test, PCR or antibody. I am fairly certain I have had it anyway, but covid is no more dangerous than flu and I wouldn’t take a test for that because it is completely unnecessary.

77908 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #1187 of 1306 🔗

Absolutely the right thing to do. It is a civic duty to not go anywhere near NHS testing, T&T etc unless you are seriously ill, as you will be potentially negatively affecting your community and it’s businesses.
Staying at home and reasonably isolating when you have something contagious is the courteous thing to do at any time. Some employees don’t have the luxury of this but if you are well enough to work from home and your employer allows it then that’s what should be done. Never understood the businesses where staff could work from home, but they don’t tell staff to go home when they have a cold and rock up to the office leaving a trail of snot behind them.

77918 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1188 of 1306 🔗

I would stay home and keep to myself until I felt better. If I felt worse, I’d do the same. I wouldn’t contact the NHS/government regardless. Side note: the bus stop near my home has rotating coronavirus-themed government adverts. One plays off that stupid video about getting back to the way things were, telling people to ring 119 if they have symptoms. Every morning I have to resist the temptation to put my foot through it.

78021 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #1189 of 1306 🔗

Don’t resist – get a brick!

77925 ▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #1190 of 1306 🔗

I’d do precisely what you’re doing, AWD.

There’s absolutely no way I would want to get my details “into the system”. Not a bloody chance!!! Not even if I feel like absolutely dog turd!

If you took a test and it came back positive, then wouldn’t you get the “call” from the friendly covid track and trace chap?

77929 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #1191 of 1306 🔗

I had all the symptoms of covid-19 from the first week of the Lockdown. Whether I had it or not, I don’t know. No worse than my yearly bout of flu – except that I had a dry continuous cough that lasted for about 6 weeks. I work from home, so it did not affect my job, and it was the Lockdown, so no mingling with others anyway. However, I ignored the guidelines to stay in except when necessary, and as much as possible went out walking the dog – I thought as much sun and fresh air as possible would be better for my health than closeting myself indoors. I’m lucky, in that I can walk for 15 mins and find myself out in the countryside, so I never met anyone else during my extensive roamings.

I wasn’t scared at all, because I was already aware that it was not the deadly killer that the MSM and government were making it out to be.

The worst aspect of it was that, to be on the safe side, I chose not to see my daughter for two months – I waited until my coughing ceased and for another fortnight after that just in case. I also kept away from my elderly parents – only just recently been seeing them again.

My daughter actually had all the symptoms at Christmas, including a fierce red rash. Christmas Eve we took her to A&E we were so worried about her – but the doctor just said it was some sort of virus and prescribed a mild medicine and rest. She was fine after that – a bit groggy on Christmas Day, but again she had a cough that wouldn’t shift for several weeks.

I’m sure that if my daughter had gone to A&E with those symptoms two months later, she would have been rushed to the children’s Covid Ward no questions asked, again demonstrating that the extreme reaction to this virus seems to be down to the fear of what it can can do, rather than actual reality.

My next door neighbour actually was diagnosed with it a few months ago. Positive test, for what that’s worth. Two week isolation – no problems. Back to work afterwards.

77983 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #1192 of 1306 🔗

6 weeks. You’re one of these long COVID victims aren’t you?

I also had a dry cough, no other symptoms, that seemd to last for weeks. Not like anything I’ve experienced before. No way of knowing for sure but COVID19 would be the most likely culprit.

77933 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #1193 of 1306 🔗

Same approach from me.

77939 ▶▶ Julian, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #1194 of 1306 🔗

Not irresponsible. Would do the same.

77946 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1195 of 1306 🔗

I would do the same. I certainly wouldn’t want to endanger the livelihoods and health of others by getting tested and potentially adding to the number of “cases” being used as an excuse for the continuance of this nightmare.

77948 ▶▶ guy153, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1196 of 1306 🔗

Yes I would do exactly the same.

But suppose you did brave the tumbleweed and go to get tested in a carpark. What would the result actually mean?

According to the ONS, the prevalence of Covid in the population is about 0.05%. They are evidently using a more specific test than the Pillar 2 people, since they report 0.5% positives.

Assuming the actual prevalence is 0.05% and the specificity of the Pillar 2 test is 99.5%, then a positive test would still mean the probability that you didn’t have Covid was 93.45%.


(I’m assuming a test sensitivity of 70%, specificity of 99.5%, and prevalence of 0.05%).

If you got ill enough to need to go to hospital you would hope they would do a lung X-ray and a couple of PCR tests (and they are possibly using better test kits) at that point to decide on treatment– it’s more likely not to be Covid but another pneumonia and might need treating with antibiotics rather than heparin, dexamethasone etc.

77974 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1197 of 1306 🔗

Since asymptomatic spread is supposedly the biggest danger (and I’m not convinced on that one myself), how does testing and confirming the symptomatic cases really help to contain the spread?

I don’t have prolonged contact with a huge number of people in my daily life anyway. Like you, I would stay at home, and notify any friends or family I’d recently seen. Since by definition I’m not really seeing the paranoid or the fearful, the people I am seeing would be more than happy not to be shopped to test and trace.

77977 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1198 of 1306 🔗

I read that Japan isn’t bothering that much with testing as during the previous SARS epidemic they found that people were becoming infected waiting in line for the tests.

77999 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1199 of 1306 🔗

I wouldn’t even tell my family…they’d ring the alarm GO GET TESTED!!

78032 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #1200 of 1306 🔗

This is the heart of the problem. We don’t have a culture of people staying away from work when they have a cold. Instead they go to work and give it to everyone else. Not surprising really. A lot of people don’t get paid if they don’t go to work. And probably still more don’t give a damn once they’ve caught it.
It would be much more cost-effective to have a draconian stay-at-home rule for those with colds or flu, instead of locking down the whole population.

78157 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #1201 of 1306 🔗

Don’t get tested – unless of course you find yourself in hopsital with breathing difficulties! (Which is unlikely)

77851 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 3, #1202 of 1306 🔗

I predict there will be a postcard from Latvia in the next LS news update…

77854 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1203 of 1306 🔗

You saw it as well?

Though I was going and when it appeared and disappeared or are we in the twilight zone or the wrong trouser leg of time?

77863 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Awkward Git, #1204 of 1306 🔗

Looks like somebody accidentally posted the latest Postcard from.. on the main page address.

77895 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Awkward Git, #1205 of 1306 🔗

It happens every 33 years.

77865 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Major Panic, 3, #1206 of 1306 🔗

Quick get on the photo to you bookie, maybe make a few quid 😉

77883 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #1207 of 1306 🔗

Finally went to my local Morrison’s which I have been avoiding since I heard horror stories about being refused entry, asked for a doctor’s note, etc.

As I made my way into the store, a staff member asked me if I wanted a mask, I said “no thanks I’m exempt” and she apologised. I told her not to worry about it.

Once I was inside, it was depressing as I was the only one who was unmuzzled. Staff were either wearing masks or visors which was rather odd as they had been working through this madness without having to need one. On the positive side no-one said a word and i even exchanged a few friendly words with the checkout assistant who helped me deal with a temperamental machine.

That said, there was certainly a decrease in footfall as there were far less people than the last time I was there. I got everything I needed and was in and out in 15 minutes.

Yorkshire Tea update – a large pack which costs £7 originally is down to £5 (Monday at Waitrose – pack of 50 bags from £3.99 down to £1.99), looks like they’re reaping the “rewards” of aligning themselves with BLM.

77892 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #1208 of 1306 🔗

Hopefully Yorkshire tea is being boycotted by others as well as me. They went all BLM. A more important acronym is FUCM.

77899 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #1209 of 1306 🔗

I used to buy it, never will again, hope they drown in the surplus.

77959 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to James Leary #KBF, #1210 of 1306 🔗

There’s loads of them .I buy Twinings instead.

78148 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, #1211 of 1306 🔗

Sainsbury’s fairtrade organic tea is good – and comes with its own halo.

77909 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #1212 of 1306 🔗

Just educated myself on the BLM Yorkshire Tea situation.

Missed the original storm.

Any suggestion for an alternative brand of tea?

78150 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dave #KBF, #1213 of 1306 🔗

Sainsbury’s fairtrade organic tea is good – and comes with its own halo.

77930 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #1214 of 1306 🔗

Ditto local Sainsbury’s. 100% customer masks. Staff about 80% Perspex or masks. Number of shoppers low. Everyone looks solidly beaten and miserable. Cannot feel more loathing to all who comply with the edicts and those who have legislated the misery!

77901 Mark, replying to Mark, 2, #1215 of 1306 🔗

Policy proposal: End state support for cancel culture collaborating bodies

No body that rejects a financial sponsor for political reasons can be eligible for state support.

This idea arose from comments by Bart Simpson and DRW here on yesterday’s LS, pointing out that museums and the heritage sector have destroyed themselves by enthusiastically embracing mask and social distancing nonsense, and are also busy rejecting sponsors and donors for reasons of woke-ist political correctness, but will happily go cap in hand to the government for state support.

But why should taxpayers pay to support a body that chooses to reject financial support in order to make political points or appease political fanatics?

Seems to me it would be a great way to impose a cost on the poisonous woke cancel culture nonsense.

I’ve also posted this on the forum here to try that out:

Policy proposal: End state support for cancel culture collaborating bodies

77937 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 2, #1216 of 1306 🔗

Most universities would need to become 100% self-funding then, and even then, you could argue that student loans, many of which will never be paid back, are a form of subsidy by the back door.

77949 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 1, #1217 of 1306 🔗

Or they could stop posturing over which donors they accept money from.

Either result works for me, frankly.

In reality, it would give ammunition to those within these bodies who don’t want to reject money from some latest hate figure but fear being accused of being a sympathiser or apologist and attacked by the fanatic mobs. They could just say: “we can’t afford to send this signal, because we’d lose too much government subsidy”.

77951 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, #1218 of 1306 🔗

The point is that people and organisations would still be free to reject donations if they want to make a point. They just can’t do so and rely on the taxpayer to subsidise their political grandstanding (or cowardice).

77992 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 1, #1219 of 1306 🔗

Oh yes, I agree – I am all for this idea

77902 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #1220 of 1306 🔗


77905 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #1221 of 1306 🔗

We use loose tea too – it’s lovely. You can get so many different blends and strengths including ones similar to Yorkshire. We would never give money to Bezos though. There are plenty of independent tea suppliers online. We use one in Shrewsbury.

77922 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #1222 of 1306 🔗

Thanks Miriam, will do some shopping around.

77923 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1224 of 1306 🔗

I’d rather risk setting policy based on David Icke than the discredited Marxist, Professor Pantsdown.

77928 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1225 of 1306 🔗

Quick we need to band together and send him an Airfix kit and a tube of glue, he will be far safer with that type of model making than computer modelling.

77934 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1226 of 1306 🔗

It’s amazing how something that is undesirable, i.e. a high R number, has been turned into something representing mortal danger.

77947 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1227 of 1306 🔗

Why does anyone take this guy seriously?

78042 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Moomin, 1, #1228 of 1306 🔗

The government chose him because he gives the worst scenario.

77972 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1229 of 1306 🔗

I’m utterly sick of him sticking his oar in all over again.

78012 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Tenchy, #1230 of 1306 🔗

Can we get Sue denim to unpick it or Carl Heneghan

78138 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tenchy, #1231 of 1306 🔗

I’d spotted that. So much for his resignation. Why doesn’t the MSM ask why he’s still around?

77932 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #1232 of 1306 🔗

If authorities came to your door and told you that you were being incarcerated because studies have shown that you may be a danger to others the first logical question would be “how much of a chance”.

For some reason “it’s not zero” or not even requiring an answer has been good enough for most people to hold their hands up and comply.

77935 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2020, 9, #1233 of 1306 🔗

Baffling. I thought I had some kind of handle on human beings. Turns out a lot of them come from some different sub-species that looks like me and talks like me but doesn’t think like me.

77942 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Julian, 7, #1234 of 1306 🔗

Invasion of the Body Snatchers turned out to be a documentary rather than just a film.

77944 ▶▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Julian, 1, #1235 of 1306 🔗

That’s most people I’m afraid.

77936 NappyFace, #1236 of 1306 🔗

Covid and the flu are deadly killers.

We must be permanently locked up in our homes for our own protection (with masks on at all times except when eating).

Anyone who doubts this is a bleach guzzling conspiracy theorist nutter.

Lockdown causes no damage, only good. You can never be too careful.

Now let’s join the mandatory national clapping hour for safety.

77938 Bella Donna, 3, #1237 of 1306 🔗

Good news from Simon Dolan

Our challenge against the UK Government lockdown will continue to be heard after the Court of Appeal yesterday ruled that the case highlighted ‘fundamental’ concerns over the accountability of Government Ministers.

The Judicial Review will now proceed to a rolled-up hearing expected to be held at the Court of Appeal during the week commencing the 28th September after a ruling was handed down by Lord Justice Hickinbottom.

The hearing will decide on whether the case should progress to a full Appeal which would see the Government once again pressed to defend the introduction of measures which were described by the court as “possibly the most restrictive regime on the public life of persons and businesses ever.”

Lord Justice Hickinbottom said that the legal challenge “potentially raises fundamental issues concerning the proper spheres for democratically-accountable Ministers of the Government and judges.”

Owing to Government restrictions, our first hearing was held virtually. However, Lord Justice Hickinbottom ordered in his review that the case should be “considered by the full court in open court, and the Applicants given any opportunity to make good their case at least on arguability.

77945 Steve Martindale, 4, #1238 of 1306 🔗

The Northern Lights of Aberdeen are what I long to see;
The Northern Lights of Aberdeen, that’s where I long to be.
I’ve been a wand’rer all of my life and many a sight I’ve seen.
God speed the day when I’m on my way to my home in Aberdeen.

Maybe need to think again on that one!

Has this news already been on this site? its been so busy its hard to keep up! but Nicola S has done what she has been champing at the bit to do and put Aberdeen on the naughty step, based on the flimsiest of meagre evidence.

All of which begs the question as to what they are trying to achieve?
Total eradication of the virus, which would be deluded arrogant nonsense and cost us dear?
Containment, in which case what is the policy what is the end game and what does success look like.?
At the moment it just looks like posturing, if you can put areas of England on the naughty step I can do the same in Scotland!

77950 Gerry Mandarin, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 2, #1239 of 1306 🔗

It would have been interesting if we had data on how much estimated life had been lost for each death with covid on the death certificate. Imagine the average (mean) wouldn’t have been far from 3 months.

77990 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 1, #1240 of 1306 🔗

I think it must be something in the order of months, yes. Another good way of putting this in perspective

78046 ▶▶ CT_Hello, replying to Gerry Mandarin, #1241 of 1306 🔗

There was a good article in the Spectator (I think) a few months ago which discussed measuring ‘quality of life years’ instead of deaths. If the government is going to decide which people live or die as a result of instigating a lockdown, then at least QoLY gives them a more accurate measurement.

77952 hotrod, replying to hotrod, 1, #1243 of 1306 🔗

Keep sharing Nick Triggle.

Finally we see the BBC allowing questions to be asked.


Comments are interesting, majority seem to agree.

One or two wanting to stay locked in thileir homes for ever though.

77960 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to hotrod, #1244 of 1306 🔗

Yes. It’s not perfect but it IS something…

78134 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to hotrod, #1245 of 1306 🔗

He could have given a lot more repeated emphasis on the fact that the positive “cases” are suspiciously asymptomatic.

77953 Dave #KBF, 2, #1246 of 1306 🔗

UK Column News are covering the powers for authorities to demolish buildings to prevent the spread of cv19.


77955 MDH, 3, #1247 of 1306 🔗

There can be no clearer indication of the complete insanity of the overreaction to Covid-19 than the imminent arrival at Heathrow of an Airbus A380 from Guangzhou, operated by China Southern Airlines. FYI this is a big jump in capacity from the Boeing 787 that was the carrier’s pre-Corona service.

Is China now free of the virus? If not, why are we allowing flights into the UK?

It could be mainly cargo, but I doubt it.

77956 Snake Oil Pussy, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, 2, #1248 of 1306 🔗

Lockdown Sceptics may have been hacked.
Web browsers giving security error warning messages.
Google Chrome does not let me connect at all.
Possible with Microsoft Edge by going into Advanced settings.

77958 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, 1, #1249 of 1306 🔗

Their SSL cert just expired. No cause for alarm, but it does mean somebody has to run a command to get a new one.

SSL certs aren’t really worth the bytes they’re printed on if we’re honest but browsers go nuts if they’re out of date.

77961 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to guy153, #1250 of 1306 🔗

Yeah. expired at 14:21

77975 ▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to JohnB, 2, #1251 of 1306 🔗

I assume someone has missed the emails advising the certificate is going to expire.

Looks like it was generated using a free certificate authority, the certificates are only valid for 90 days.

So nothing odd happening, just need to generate a new cert.

77978 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dave #KBF, #1252 of 1306 🔗

They should auto-renew every three months via the Hosting provider, but looks like something has failed in the process.

77962 ▶▶ Hugh_Manity, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, -1, #1253 of 1306 🔗

Yes, I got a warning too about security flaws. It means that is being targeted by someone like 77th Brigade to dissuade people from accessing the site.

77964 ▶▶▶ Hugh_Manity, replying to Hugh_Manity, #1254 of 1306 🔗

Ot the ssl certificate has expired lol.

77966 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Hugh_Manity, 1, #1255 of 1306 🔗

The Lockdown Sceptics Russian Overlords have had enough and taken the site down. We’re not loving Putin enough!

77965 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, 1, #1256 of 1306 🔗

If you’re in Chrome type “thisisunsafe” and press enter and the page will load.

77963 richard riewer, 1, #1257 of 1306 🔗

You should update your web certificate whoever is in charge here.
Perhaps you have been the victim of a cyberattack. Or I have, possibly.

77967 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 2, #1258 of 1306 🔗

I have been getting insecure connection warnings about your site this morning from Firefox, PaleMoon and Opera beginning at 8:20 A.M. my time, 1:20 P.M. your time.

77968 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to richard riewer, #1259 of 1306 🔗

SSL Cert has expired at 14:21. Webmaster will be fired, don’t worry.

77970 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to richard riewer, #1260 of 1306 🔗

Likewise. Just had help from a Going Postal colleague to sort it. Using the Brave browser.
Having to by-pass the security warning notice.

77996 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to thedarkhorse, #1261 of 1306 🔗

Firefox was on it like a dog on a bone and so was Opera. I checked my computer clock and it was correct. Hmm? Rebooted but that didn’t help either. Used another browser and at least I was given the opportunity to bypass the warning. I don’t know if I should say which one, might get zapped again.

77988 ▶▶ Bobblybob, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1262 of 1306 🔗

Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s being done on purpose, happens to Off-Guardian quite regularly.

77980 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to BecJT, 1, #1264 of 1306 🔗

Yet they fail to see that the IFR is 0.1%, which is what sound epidemiologists have been saying all along, like a bad seasonal flu.

78010 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to BecJT, 1, #1265 of 1306 🔗

Who checks the “fact checker”?

77982 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1266 of 1306 🔗

Today’s cartoon reminded me of an Escher drawing.

78005 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1267 of 1306 🔗

The cartoon that says ‘after Escher’ on it ? 🙂 🙂

78011 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JohnB, 1, #1268 of 1306 🔗

I didn’t see that part. Clever political cartoon.

78013 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JohnB, #1269 of 1306 🔗

Anyone here see ‘Sleuth’ with Michael Caine and Laurence Olivier? There is a great scene in a maze.

77989 Eddie, replying to Eddie, 1, #1270 of 1306 🔗

Oooh Firefox just blocked me from the site siting security risk (I’ve never seen Firefox do this for any site). We are causing a stir!

77991 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Eddie, 1, #1271 of 1306 🔗

Or maybe I should read down the comments before posting 🙂

77994 ▶▶ court, replying to Eddie, 1, #1272 of 1306 🔗

Looks like the admin needs to renew the site certificate.

78002 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Eddie, #1273 of 1306 🔗

I can get through on google but have to use advanced and click proceed to unsafe site

78006 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to wendy, #1274 of 1306 🔗

Yeah right, that’s what I had to do.

78007 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to wendy, #1275 of 1306 🔗

Safari allowing access too

77995 NickR, replying to NickR, #1276 of 1306 🔗

I’ve just been blocked on Android & safari

78001 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to NickR, #1277 of 1306 🔗

It is a technical problem with lockdownsceptics.org

78003 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to NickR, 1, #1278 of 1306 🔗

Yes, we’ve had enough of you on here Nick and had a vote and blocked you!. Only joking, the SSL cert is b*llocksed.

77998 wendy, 6, #1279 of 1306 🔗

I managed my first small local shopping trip at a co op. It’s in an inner city area with lots of young people. I took an ultra thin scarf in case I lost courage at the door but in walked a man about 20 unmasked, he was definitely making a statement about not wearing a mask and I followed without scarf. All was fine. Only a few people in and half unmasked. An announcement on a loop to say be considerate to our customers unable to wear a face covering. I think it will fail in shops, they want the customers, might stick in museums etc. but more fool them.

78004 richard riewer, 2, #1280 of 1306 🔗

I wonder when Matt and Boris will come up with another Cock & Bull story?

78009 PaulParanoia, replying to PaulParanoia, 8, #1281 of 1306 🔗

228,000 people being locked down in Aberdeen based upon 0.0002% of the population being tested positive for Covid.

No consideration of the false positive rate, no consideration of whether hospital admissions or deaths are rising in the area. No proof that these were community infections. People once more forced to loose their freedom and livelihoods.

What a bleak future the UK faces.

78049 ▶▶ PaulParanoia, replying to PaulParanoia, #1282 of 1306 🔗

Sorry, that’s 0.02%.

78055 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to PaulParanoia, 2, #1283 of 1306 🔗

That’s what Zero COVID entails. So many people wishing for it without thinking it through.

78014 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, #1284 of 1306 🔗
Safari and Firefox not allowing access to the site, Opera is if you go through the warnings.

I think we're now on the undesirables list.
78015 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Awkward Git, #1285 of 1306 🔗

It is a technical problem with lockdownsceptics.org, see below

78017 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #1286 of 1306 🔗

I think I was enjoying being on the undesirables list to be honest, I haven’t annoyed “senior management” like this for a while.

IT problems is nowhere near as romantic.

78016 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, #1287 of 1306 🔗

Have a look at the comments below mate

78018 zacaway, replying to zacaway, #1288 of 1306 🔗

Shocking anecdote of abuse that’s being going on in care homes during lockdown on #KBF:


78026 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to zacaway, 1, #1289 of 1306 🔗

The whole video is 17 mins, not the 30 seconds on Twitter:


78071 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Awkward Git, #1290 of 1306 🔗

Thanks – thought it was a bit short.

78019 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, #1291 of 1306 🔗


More and more tests required to find a true positive test

78024 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, #1292 of 1306 🔗

UK – 190 tests to find one positive result!

78048 ▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1293 of 1306 🔗

or to put it scientifically: well within the 1% false positive error margin…

78020 Awkward Git, 1, #1294 of 1306 🔗

Was mooching the internet while workmen in this morning (all sceptics). Got bored so rooted through the comments section on the Off-Guardian articles:

Here is the spike in English deaths of 15-44 year olds:


In the comments is a link to this article:


Explains everything doesn’t it?

78022 PD, replying to PD, 6, #1295 of 1306 🔗

Does my ‘anxiety’ that my immune system is being compromised because of a reduced exposure to germs I would ordinarily acquire through intermingling with other people constitute a valid exemption from wearing a mask?

78031 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to PD, 5, #1296 of 1306 🔗


78037 ▶▶▶ PD, replying to wendyk, 1, #1297 of 1306 🔗

Thanks Wendy!

78025 zacaway, replying to zacaway, #1298 of 1306 🔗

On the Telegraph today – Government has given councils the powers to destroy your house if they think there are too many coronaviruses (or LS residents?):

Local authorities will be able to destroy cars, buses, trains and aeroplanes suspected of being contaminated with Covid-19 under new powers. The government’s Covid-19 Contain Framework would also allow councils to demolish buildings such as care homes, offices and even private homes as a last resort if outbreaks run out of control.


78088 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to zacaway, #1299 of 1306 🔗

My God! WTF is going on? Has the world gone mad or have I?

78094 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #1300 of 1306 🔗

It is mad. Don’t understand how there seems to be nobody sane in the government to question this.

Some good news though – the Appeal for Simon Dolan’s case to challenge the government has been granted:


78027 Margaret, 4, #1301 of 1306 🔗

Day 2. Second sortie of the day on my mission to educate shops.

Trip to small, nearby market town. OH and I both naked as we entered indoor market. Couple hesitating at door wondering if masks are needed. Saw us and looked relieved. Told them we were exempt and mentioned government site for printing cards. She said she had asthma so told her she shouldn’t be wearing mask anyway. I tend to talk in a loud voice about Covid so earwiggers tune in-and lo and behold there was one behind the stall next to us.

Wilkos. Told lady greeter at door we were exempt. She said she was too as she suffered terrible claustrophobia and hadn’t yet been in a shop to do her own shopping. Very sad. Told her about government cards. Thanked her for the big notice in entrance about masks which actually mentioned exemptions. She said she would pass thanks on to TPTB.

Saw another big notice about masks in chemist’s window, advertising them for sale.
Had to go right up to notice and put on my glasses to read small print “exemptions apply” but at least a step in the right direction.

Man with wife gave us a funny look as he passed. Saw him tell his wife we weren’t wearing masks. Turned round and flashed at him (badge of course). Just looked embarrassed and said “OK then”

Keep getting the message out there. Virtually no one needs to wear a mask unless they choose to do so.

78033 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1303 of 1306 🔗

I’ve just finishd watching UK Column’s latest broadcast. It has worrying info that everyone needs to be aware of.

Please watch it when you can: https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-5th-august-2020

78044 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1304 of 1306 🔗

Indeed it is.


Can you post your message to today news page, it has just gone live and people need to know about NewsGuard

78034 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #1305 of 1306 🔗

Certificate updated & todays page is live

78040 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dave #KBF, #1306 of 1306 🔗



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