2020-08-10

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83568 RDawg, replying to RDawg, 8, #1 of 1156 🔗

I am number one!!!! 1️⃣ 🏆 🥇

83576 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to RDawg, 1, #2 of 1156 🔗

Yeah!!

83599 ▶▶ IanE, replying to RDawg, 8, #3 of 1156 🔗

“You are not a Number. You are a free man!”.

(Just joshing!)

83686 ▶▶ Sue, replying to RDawg, 1, #4 of 1156 🔗

you pipped OKOK to the first post!! 🙂

83842 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Sue, 1, #5 of 1156 🔗

Who’s this OKUK impersonator OKOK?

83785 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to RDawg, 1, #6 of 1156 🔗

Congratulations on your first place.

84031 ▶▶▶ RDawg, replying to Dave #KBF, #7 of 1156 🔗

I feel very special.

83572 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 26, #8 of 1156 🔗

https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1292741729775431680 https://ticotimes.net/2020/06/08/costa-rica-to-resume-use-of-hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19-treatment
“Costa Rican health authorities said Monday(early JUNE) that the country plans to resume its use of hydroxychloroquine to treat coronavirus patients.
The announcement came from Román Macaya, the executive president of the Costa Rican Social Security System (CCSS), even as he acknowledged the drug’s efficacy against COVID-19 has not yet been proven.
“Efficacy is something we have to answer with a clinical study,” Macaya said.
The CCSS had temporarily stopped using hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 late May after a study published in The Lancet prompted the World Health Organization (WHO) to do the same.
That study — which indicated that using the drug on hospitalized coronavirus patients could increase their chances of dying — has since come under independent criticism, and the WHO has resumed its own hydroxychloroquine study.
In Costa Rica, all patients — including those with minor symptoms or who are asymptomatic — are offered the option to take hydroxychloroquine upon their diagnosis, as long as they don’t have contraindications to the drug, Macaya said.
The country has provided the drugs to patients since conferencing with Chinese experts in April, according to Mario Ruíz, Medical Manager of the CCSS.
Costa Rica has a low case fatality rate (.75%), and fewer than 5% of known active coronavirus cases are currently hospitalized.
“We can’t say that’s a result of this medication, but we can’t discard it either,” Macaya said last month.”

Seems quite common sense compared to SAGE

 Of course this could just be a co-incidence. But the problem with that explanation is the low mortality in HCQ countries like India, Pakistan and Russia. Interesting comparing Costa Rica and UK. They have the same amount of cases per million population. But Costa Rica has 15 times less deaths. Don’t tell BBC HCQ is a discredited medicine. Do you think we will have headlines in the tabloid press in 6 mth’s time “BBC killed thousands of Brits with wrong information”? I don’t think so.

84249 ▶▶ annie, replying to swedenborg, 5, #9 of 1156 🔗

Nit in 6 months’ time, perhaps, but when future historians get to work on the Great Insanity, the BBC will get what it deserves: total condemnation. Out-Goebbeling Goebbels.

83575 Victoria, 18, #10 of 1156 🔗

I am all for the ‘scientifically literate’ label. Thanks Toby

want to meet other scientifically literate people who haven’t succumbed to what Bernard Henri-Levy calls “psychotic delirium”.

83578 Mark, replying to Mark, 22, #11 of 1156 🔗

General suggestion, especially for those without real world local support.

The private messaging system seems to be up and running on the forums, so use it to contact people here whose opinions lead you to think you might get on with them or if they are local to you. As far as I can see someone has to post in the forum before you can pm them though, unless there’s a member list somewhere. We should also use them to form networks to exchange info about coronapanic resistant businesses etc, to try to support them without drawing unwelcome bedwetter attention to them.

I think this can be a big step forward in building sustained and effective dissent here, though clearly it’s unlikely to be particularly secure. But good enough for now, I think.

83618 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 7, #12 of 1156 🔗

That’s really useful to know, thanks very much for the heads-up.

83580 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #13 of 1156 🔗

A brazil nut a day keeps the corona away? (Beware known to be severe allergic, even deaths for some)

A Chinese study saying that low selenium is bad in Covid-19.No idea if true but just published not peer reviewed. Just for information.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.31.230243v2

 “A significant, positive association between selenium status and prognosis of SARS-CoV-2 infection has been identified among COVID-19 patients in China.

83715 ▶▶ Drawde927, replying to swedenborg, 6, #14 of 1156 🔗

Brazil nuts are also very high in zinc!

83759 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Drawde927, 4, #15 of 1156 🔗

Both zinc and selenium are cheap to buy as supplements, no allergies necessary.

83971 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Drawde927, 3, #16 of 1156 🔗

And also radioactive.

84633 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to guy153, #17 of 1156 🔗

And so are you.

83583 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 21, #18 of 1156 🔗

CDC chief admits hospitals have “ perverse incentive ” to inflate coronavirus deaths
“American hospitals are being perversely incentivized to count all deaths that come their way as Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths in order to receive cash from the government. This was the shocking admission of U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Director Robert Redfield, who admitted the truth during a recent House Oversight and Reform Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis hearing.”

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-08-09-cdc-chief-hospitals-perverse-incentive-inflate-coronavirus-deaths.html

83611 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Victoria, 10, #19 of 1156 🔗

Again, should be headline news. Isn’t.

83706 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Victoria, 3, #20 of 1156 🔗

Someon brought up this subject several months on one of the podcasts that I have been listening to for the past three months but I can’t remember who said it. The incentive was around $100,0000 dollars per patient. Sales people don’t get commissions like that. Thanks Obama!

84283 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to richard riewer, 2, #21 of 1156 🔗

There was a YouTube vid 3 months ago by a nurse at New York City Hospital showing how managers had deliberately placed non Covid patients alongside Covid sufferers, she described this as ‘murder’.

85095 ▶▶▶ PowerCorrupts, replying to richard riewer, #22 of 1156 🔗

I think it was mentioned on Pandemic Warroom at https://pandemic.warroom.org .
That is the best source I have found for daily coverage, interviews with major scientists/doctors , others to get a clear picture of what is happening, unlike mainstream media

83774 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Victoria, 11, #23 of 1156 🔗

I’ve just mentioned this on the BBC website, under an education story (what the heck: have to comment where one can!), and included the A$25k figure that’s going round for each Australian C-19 death. Five downticks so far, lol.

84472 ▶▶ Lorenzo Basso, replying to Victoria, 1, #24 of 1156 🔗

I remember hearing about this months ago. It’s a shame that even a Breitbart article will be immediately discredited and ignored by most people. If the Grauniad covered this I might actually get some of my friends to read it…

84658 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Lorenzo Basso, 1, #25 of 1156 🔗

You are still friends with people who read the Guardian? It’s very hard work, as I know from personal experience. Of course, these same people usually regard themselves as well informed, even though they only watch the BBC for their news.

83588 stewart, replying to stewart, 82, #26 of 1156 🔗

I would like to propose that we start referring to pro-mask people as being anti-human.

They are against human contact, against socialising, they don’t believe in the value of the human immune system, they think we can only survive with artificial aids like masks and vaccines. They prefer human interaction that is supported by computers, such as zoom meetings, social media instead of natural face to face communication.

In short they have a view of humanity as being deficient and needing artificial support. They are anti-human.

83647 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to stewart, 10, #27 of 1156 🔗

They are also very selfish

83656 ▶▶▶ nat, replying to Two-Six, 20, #28 of 1156 🔗

They are better off staying at home in their masks and their gloves
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84289 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Two-Six, 3, #29 of 1156 🔗

Yes, by denying me my share of their enzymes (whatever) they are damaging my immune system. Selfish Bastards.

83668 ▶▶ annie, replying to stewart, 9, #30 of 1156 🔗

Just ‘non-human’ says it for me. But anti-human, certainly, when they get at a bare-facer.

84412 ▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to annie, #31 of 1156 🔗

No, they’re just mis-informed, trusting and conventional. These are not crimes. The onslaught of fear mongering has worked, that is not their fault. They are just afraid.

83702 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to stewart, 4, #32 of 1156 🔗

Brilliant. Very well put. Taking this new moniker on board as of now 🙂

83707 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stewart, 2, #33 of 1156 🔗

They would like to become Cyborgs.

83717 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to richard riewer, 5, #34 of 1156 🔗

Or just the Borg

83769 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to tonyspurs, 2, #35 of 1156 🔗

That’s what I meant. Sigh!

83776 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to stewart, 9, #36 of 1156 🔗

They are the 1st wave of the Transhuman movement, eschewing human traits; covering their faces so as to not betray their emotions, such as smiling, minimising all social touching, handshakes or hugs. Peak commication will be a thing of the past, emoji’s will be the only way of expressing feelings.

The nuance of human commication will be watered down to a functional level.

83854 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to stewart, 11, #37 of 1156 🔗

Anti-human is good, but I’m going to refer to them as Hobgoblins from now on, after coming across this quote from Henry Louis Mencken, writing in the early 20th century:

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed and hence, clamorous to be led to safety, by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins – all of them imaginary.”

84274 ▶▶▶ Jonathan, replying to Mr Dee, #38 of 1156 🔗

Bugaboos is another name for them,

84514 ▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to Mr Dee, #39 of 1156 🔗

Hobgoblin nor foul fiend
can daunt his spirit,
He knows he at the end
shall life inherit.

83859 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stewart, #40 of 1156 🔗

Sounds reasoning. I like it!

83862 ▶▶ Binra, replying to stewart, 2, #41 of 1156 🔗

I ask you to first extend a true humanity rather than judging a masked agenda that you can project into and believe what you put there.
Anna Brees has some human testimony videos on youtube. Look for the lawyer/Artist.
For another perspective than polarised identity reaction.

An anti human agenda is indeed active, but the symptoms are the signs of the disease and not the disease itself.

Ad hom attacks the person, watch out for that! Address the underlying issues, the fallacies and the contradictory beliefs – but so as to extend a communication that might serve a better choice and outcome (for all).

84130 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Binra, #42 of 1156 🔗

Five months of addressing the fallacies and contradictions hasn’t done much good, has it?

84098 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to stewart, #43 of 1156 🔗

They seem to like stroking white cats though.

84146 ▶▶ Kat.S19, replying to stewart, #44 of 1156 🔗

👏 👏 👏

84296 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stewart, 1, #45 of 1156 🔗

Anybody remember the Star Trek (TV original) episode in which the Aliens attack the crew causing their mouths and noses to disappear under a swathe of skin ?
I remember those scenes because they were bloody scary as a 12(?) year old.

84468 ▶▶ Lili, replying to stewart, 1, #46 of 1156 🔗

I understand where you’re coming from but I think that anything that divides us even more isn’t a good idea. Treating them with compassion and quietly persuading them with information is a better idea and will win more people over to common sense. I do agree that there’s nothing we can do about the real fanatics.

83589 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #47 of 1156 🔗

A rather complex study using available data comparing economic data and C-19 testing policy.Not easy to follow. Someone else entangle this?

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.31.20165811v1

 “The statistically significant association between population size and COVID-19 CRF suggests the healthcare strain and lower treatment efficiency in countries with large populations. The observed association between smoking in females and COVID-19 CFR might be due to that the proportion of female smokers reflected broadly income level of a country. When testing is warranted and healthcare resources are sufficient, strict quarantine and/or lockdown measures might result in excess deaths in underprivileged populations.

83863 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, #48 of 1156 🔗

The observed association between smoking in females and COVID-19 CFR might be due to that the proportion of female smokers reflected broadly income level of a country.

So smoking doesn’t protect them from covid symptoms?

83967 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Cheezilla, #49 of 1156 🔗

I think they mean high level of female smoking, higher income level and they are not going into discussion if smoking is protective for C-19

83594 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #50 of 1156 🔗

Project fear, Teachers Union scaring with Israel’s school opening ignoring >20 other countries school opening.

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1292523108503519233

“Israel re-opened everything at once, not just schools. The other >20 countries that opened schools but kept other measures in place did not observe a resurgence in C-19 cases linked to schools. Children are not key drivers of transmission”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.03.20121145v1.full.pdf

Cases among Israeli population as a whole: 82k/9M (1/109). Teachers: 691/170k (1/246). Students: 1335/1.7M (1/1273)

https://twitter.com/NahasNewman/status/1292525629305507840

84278 ▶▶ Youth_Unheard, replying to swedenborg, 1, #51 of 1156 🔗

Unfortunately, the vast majority of teachers don’t teach maths, and if maths teachers are standing with the union, they need to be struck off.

84413 ▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to Youth_Unheard, #52 of 1156 🔗

And the ones that do don’t do it very well, let’s be honest!

83595 DressageRider, replying to DressageRider, 3, #53 of 1156 🔗

I posted about this on the last page. New link this time. Is it just me, or do others think it possible we have now reached peak cases world-wide?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Add in the 7 day moving average on the daily cases to see what I mean.

83602 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to DressageRider, 1, #54 of 1156 🔗

This is probably due to populous India perhaps just at the peak and some Big Latin American countries like Brazil and Mexico perhaps just passed the peak.  Africa seemed to have passed the peak like populous US and Russia. But we have populous Philippines, Indonesia and Japan to come.

83619 ▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to swedenborg, #55 of 1156 🔗

Time will tell, I just looked at Indonesia which may be near peak, only a slow rise. Phillipines cases are definitely still rising. Japan is an oddity.

83718 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to DressageRider, #56 of 1156 🔗

Could be their diet?

84221 ▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to richard riewer, #57 of 1156 🔗

In fact, there has been speculation that fermented food in Japan, Korea (Kimchi) and Germany(sauerkraut)might be protective against C-19 explaining their lower figures

84245 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to swedenborg, 1, #58 of 1156 🔗

Are pickled onions in that class?
If so, by now I must be 1000% Covidproof, yeah!

83716 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to swedenborg, 1, #59 of 1156 🔗

So was the virus held up at the airport?

83731 ▶▶▶ DoesDimSyniad, replying to swedenborg, 1, #60 of 1156 🔗

Is it reasonable to assume that Japan is ‘to come’? All I’ve heard from there indicates they have not gone mad and unduly suppressed spread, so their lack of such spread would seem more likely due to other factors: perhaps widespread immunity due to other related viruses?

83763 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to DoesDimSyniad, 2, #61 of 1156 🔗

I suspect that countries who managed to keep Covie out, such as Taiwan, Japan, New Zealand, Hawaii, Australia, et al, have all still got it “to come”.

83779 ▶▶▶▶▶ DoesDimSyniad, replying to Nick Rose, #62 of 1156 🔗

That’s my point though, Japan didn’t keep it out, nor clearly (now) did Australia. Low deaths has nothing to do with lack of spread, or fudging the figures (as many claim for Germany for instance), there seems to be something in those populations.
My suspicion is that places that had recent severe flu (which includes Japan, Australia and Germany) seem to have relatively few deaths from this. I don’t see that cross immunity would be relevant, so maybe it’s just that the most vulnerable are at lower numbers in those populations. There may be greater cross immunity in some or all of those countries, but nothing to do with flu.
New Zealand, Taiwan and Hawaii would be different stories of course, at least according to what we know now.

83999 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to DoesDimSyniad, #63 of 1156 🔗

If the recent severe “flu” was actually a coronavirus it would be very relevant as we know now that there is sterilising humoral cross-immunity from other coronaviruses.

This might explain why they’re getting it now– if the other coronavirus was a few months ago antibody levels from that will have gone down.

But it also possible they suppressed it through behaviour. Their first peak was a lower number of deaths per person than Australia’s.

84599 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DoesDimSyniad, replying to guy153, #64 of 1156 🔗

That’s not how immunity works. Antibodies only hang around a few months but immunity does for much longer if not life (dependent on the illness obviously). Think of antibodies as the main part of the emergency services – you can’t have them at high alert for long, but afterwards they’ll have experience dealing with that type of emergency in the future and act much more efficiently when they are ‘notified’.

83868 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to DoesDimSyniad, #65 of 1156 🔗

I read they had a flu run prior that gave them immunity.
Or that they had it before the over reactions made it into a fear monster.
whether the novel is the virus or the mutating script is up to you.
I don’t see anything reasonable in the covid narrative, but if you generate a structure through which funding and other incentives operate all kinds of lack-driven identity will be attracted and create ‘communities’ there albeit ‘keep apart in order to stay together’.

83993 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to DoesDimSyniad, #66 of 1156 🔗

It looks to me like it’s kicking off in Japan for real. The deaths are starting to go up as well, it’s not just reported cases.

Quite similar to AU in that suppression lasted about a month. But it’s interesting how they achieved that. A cooperative public probably makes more difference than a legally enforced lockdown.

83983 ▶▶ guy153, replying to DressageRider, #67 of 1156 🔗

It certainly looks like it’s not far off. Obviously some countries are artificially delayed such as Australia.

The best graph I think is always the log graph of number dead. If it’s a straight line they’re growing exponentially. At some point (usually rather soon) it makes a right turn and flattens off. Not quite flat yet globally but getting there. Looks it might get a bit past 1m but not as far as 10m.

84302 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DressageRider, #68 of 1156 🔗

Not if you listen to the BBC whose scare stories are now almost all 3rd world.

83600 ChrisW, replying to ChrisW, 53, #69 of 1156 🔗

“UK heading into full lockdown next month if Boris Johnson doesn’t fix “disastrous” test and trace, says ex-government scientist”

Err – no.

Try to impose another lockdown if you like but we won’t pay any attention to it.

83603 ▶▶ Alison9, replying to ChrisW, 16, #70 of 1156 🔗

Have these people lost their minds!

83606 ▶▶▶ ChrisW, replying to Alison9, 19, #71 of 1156 🔗

There’s still a little bit of the economy that they haven’t destroyed yet, they want to finish the job!

83608 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Alison9, 4, #72 of 1156 🔗

Mins? What ‘minds’?

83659 ▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Alison9, 1, #73 of 1156 🔗

That is the least scary alternative, if they have not then…

83773 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Alison9, 10, #74 of 1156 🔗

Lost it a long time ago. This comes from King, a former chief scientific adviser to the government between 2000 and 2007. The 2001 Foot And Mouth outbreak was “managed” under his watch. And he’s a anthropogenic climate change fanatic. He’s not a virologist, climatologist or immunologist, but yet another theoretical physicist, like Ferguson.

He’s not a member of SAGE, but the self-appointed “alternate” SAGE. Not that there’s much difference. “Real” SAGE recommends something, and “alternate” SAGE screams “Sooner! Harder!”

84010 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Nick Rose, #75 of 1156 🔗

ITYM failed theoretical physicist.

84475 ▶▶▶▶ Lorenzo Basso, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #76 of 1156 🔗

Interesting… so destroying the economy, stopping travel and causing a lot of excess deaths from another lockdown would suit his climate zealotry as well. There are too many of us after all. I detest these people!

83876 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Alison9, 3, #77 of 1156 🔗

They have sold them by selling us out. They have to ‘front’ to the public some plausibly deniable excuse by which to string us along and keep the operation active.
Anyone thinking inside the box must be at their wits end in trying to make sense as if what is being effected makes any sense to the old boxed normal.

83638 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to ChrisW, 13, #78 of 1156 🔗

I’m happy to have another lockdown if they don’t pay public sector workers anything and just fund all small businesses two years of revenue. And we all get a tax break for two years.

I’ll happily stock up and sit in my own filth.

83674 ▶▶ annie, replying to ChrisW, 1, #79 of 1156 🔗

Right in. We’ve had some practice.

83740 ▶▶ DoesDimSyniad, replying to ChrisW, 1, #80 of 1156 🔗

Toby linked the article did he not? It’s not an ‘ex-government scientist’ at all – unless you think of him being a scientist from the (long-time) ex-government: i.e. Labour. He’s a member of the anti-SAGE.

83765 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to ChrisW, 8, #81 of 1156 🔗

I’m not going back into lockdown. Lockup maybe, but not lockdown.

84003 ▶▶ guy153, replying to ChrisW, 3, #82 of 1156 🔗

Well he’s right about one part: the test and trace is disastrous. I think much more disastrous than it’s often given credit for– it’s quite likely it’s only finding about 1% of actual infections.

But it seems to be “working” as hospitalisations keep going down. 🤔

84216 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to ChrisW, 1, #83 of 1156 🔗

Yeah not happening.

84313 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to ChrisW, 1, #84 of 1156 🔗

I didn’t pay any attention to the first one, out and about as a key worker. Scary at first, those press reports about Covid victims drowning with lungs full of putrid puss, skin covered in boils (from a bubonic plague handbook).
Soon figured out it was all bollocks. Only stayed in after work since there was nowhere to go.
The younglings have discovered that staying overnight with mates is more fun, safer and less expensive than going to the pub so in any future lockdown they will do just that.

84414 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to ChrisW, 1, #85 of 1156 🔗

Is it this bloke?
…David King, the UK government’s former chief scientific adviser on climate change, admitted ministers had made a huge mistake by promoting diesel. … “It turns out we were wrong,” he said.
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/apr/13/death-of-diesel-wonder-fuel-new-asbestos

83607 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 8, #86 of 1156 🔗

Just look at this shit, warnig it will give you brain cancer.
BBC “How to stay cool in a face mask”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53688259

83613 ▶▶ Klein, replying to Two-Six, 10, #87 of 1156 🔗

Heh I don’t think I’ll click that bollocks

83665 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Klein, 5, #88 of 1156 🔗

Oh do, it’s hilarious. Top medical expert advises using a mask made of bamboo. Pandas, loom out, they’re after your dinner.

83666 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to annie, 8, #89 of 1156 🔗

And how about this?

“What about putting your mask in the freezer before you head out in the heat? Dr Sheraz is unconvinced. “It’s not a bad idea. The only thing I was thinking about is you don’t want people get cold burns on their faces. So I don’t think I’d advise that.”
Dr Anil Budh-Raja, a GP who also offers skin and cosmetic treatments at clinics in Birmingham and Chiswick, suggested a towel which has been put in the freezer could be used as a mask.
The government says a face covering can be anything which safely the covers the nose and mouth – but of course you must be able to tie it in place. Remember that public towel slips are always embarrassing in the summer heat.”

ROTFL! !

83672 ▶▶▶▶▶ InfiniteDissent, replying to annie, 4, #90 of 1156 🔗

“It’s not a bad idea”.

It’s a terrible idea. This person doesn’t understand basic physics. The mask will probably be at body temperature before you’ve had time to walk from your kitchen to your own front door.

83676 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to InfiniteDissent, 10, #91 of 1156 🔗

That’s the sort of epsilon-minus sub-monkey that lives in the BBC cage.
With apologies to real monkeys.

83684 ▶▶▶▶▶ Gossamer, replying to annie, 7, #92 of 1156 🔗

“…safely covers the nose and mouth” is a contradiction in itself.

84320 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, #93 of 1156 🔗

I know where he got that from. Back in the 90’s crims who nicked your car radio would put it in their mums freezer overnight since that overode the computer lock.

83748 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to annie, 7, #94 of 1156 🔗

Gov advice on making your own says it should be ‘comfortably breathable’. How big is a virus again, about the size of a hamster?

83783 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sam Vimes, #95 of 1156 🔗

Only when it goes out mob-handed.

83642 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Two-Six, 9, #96 of 1156 🔗

Perfect storm of an article from the BBC combining global warming with pro mask wearing propaganda, all topped off with medical advice from an NHS doctor from their favourite community. Must clock up 10,000 points on the Virtue-Signalometer!

83724 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to OKUK, #97 of 1156 🔗

How about a BBC video Arcade game?

84387 ▶▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to OKUK, #98 of 1156 🔗

Sunscreen, too!

83721 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, 2, #99 of 1156 🔗

Dear BBC, shut yer big fat gobs!

83781 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, 5, #100 of 1156 🔗

UK Column analysed this today and came to the conclusion that the advice is very dangerous. Egregiously, the “medical expert” is a dermatologist, nothing to do with pulmonary issues.

Brian has written an excellent letter about it to the Beeb asking some very searching questions. He suggests we do the same.

Watch here. Today’s bulletin was excellent: https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-10th-august-2020

Those of you who found the article amusing, might want to watch UKC and then re-view the article from a more critical perspective.

It’s a good example of how very subtle and insidious the propaganda psy-op is.

83789 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #101 of 1156 🔗

I watched it, that is where I saw the article.

83820 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #102 of 1156 🔗

We saw it too. What we liked is the BBC’s insidious assumption that people would be wearing their masks outside in summer. Round here, outside muzzle-wearing seems to have decreased since people are forced into them in shops.

83870 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #103 of 1156 🔗

Yes. Nudging us to accept wearing muzzles outside. Very sinister.

83852 ▶▶▶ nat, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #104 of 1156 🔗

I love those guys on UK Column.

83871 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to nat, 2, #105 of 1156 🔗

They do an awesome job!

84325 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheezilla, #106 of 1156 🔗

Reposted from end of yesterday.
My mum worked as a nurse for a Consultant Dermatologist in the 60’s. He thought it was a nice idea to present his staff with copies of his published text books.
I spent happy childhood hours exploring my parents bookshelves, ever wary of coming across b/w photos of revolting and horrible skin conditions.

84236 ▶▶ Che Strazio, replying to Two-Six, 3, #107 of 1156 🔗

I’m boycottimg the BBC and, as they don’t rely on external income sources, you should be be able to replicate the article in full…saving me a click bait (I’m still paying for now….just not viewing! 5 Months BBC sober!)

83612 Klein, replying to Klein, 31, #108 of 1156 🔗

OK – back from my first outing to the shops since this new mask rule in N.I. In the butchery, the butchers were just wearing visors. Didn’t say a word to me. Some fella came in after me fiddling with his mask.
Went to a local coffee shop for a takeaway – all staff in masks and some woman and her kids in them.
Got the odd look in there, but didn’t give a shit. It’s a weird feeling, being a bit anxious not wearing a mask in a shop.

On another note – here’s my riposte to the ‘granny killer’ accusation should it arise.
So at most about 1 in 2000 people have the virus, and probably a lot less in more rural areas. The virus spreads in close contact of at least a few mins from under a distance of 1 metre. So if I keep my distance from older folk (as I’ve been doing this whole time), the odds of me actually infecting and killing someone must be astronomical.
Something tells me I’ll need a million years or so to be troubling Harold Shipman for his crown..

83617 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Klein, 15, #109 of 1156 🔗

Congrats. It is a slightly odd feeling, being the only one without a mask in a large shop full of masked conformists, but I will say it’s not entirely unpleasant.

83621 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Klein, 10, #110 of 1156 🔗

Schools in N.I. go back in about 9 days – I think it’s teachers first. My brother is a teacher.

Should be immense fun.

I’m a bit disappointed that the famous Northern Irish backbone seems to have disappeared. But then 60% of more are public sector.

83623 ▶▶▶ Klein, replying to mhcp, 6, #111 of 1156 🔗

Yeah its pathetic. Take it you’re NI based?
Saw one other guy in a gift shop not wearing one, his mrs was though.

83637 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Klein, 1, #112 of 1156 🔗

No. From there but live in Blighty

83728 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to mhcp, 2, #113 of 1156 🔗

Too much bureacracy. The only jobs that will be left to fill pretty soon.

83628 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Klein, 10, #114 of 1156 🔗

It is astonishing how overnight a government can get a whole population behaving differently. What they worried not one jot about yesterday becomes criminal today!

Were you saying, or was it someone else?, that mask wearing was only 10% in their part of the six counties?

What was the justification for the masking edict? A rise in cases? An increase in the people dying? An increase in hospital admissions? I’m going to attempt to check these figures right now.

83632 ▶▶▶ Klein, replying to Ned of the Hills, 11, #115 of 1156 🔗

Yeah the uptake was very low, so they didn’t like the public telling them to fuck off.

However now its mandatory, there were a lot more wearing them.
There hasn’t been a death here since 12 July. Not sure about cases though, but they’re meaningless really.

83634 ▶▶▶▶ Klein, replying to Klein, 2, #116 of 1156 🔗

The official reason given was so that older people would feel more confident going to the shops.

83645 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Klein, 13, #117 of 1156 🔗

I despair! It gives me no confidence seeing people masked – and I’m in my seventies.

83858 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #118 of 1156 🔗

Just so you know I didn’t go out today so probably saved your life, you can thank me later.

83683 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Klein, 4, #119 of 1156 🔗

That’s really going to work, isn’t it?
Scares the s..t out of them.
Or makes them feel sick, just as we do.

83752 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to annie, 1, #120 of 1156 🔗

When do we get some reliable retail figures pre and post mask dates to give us some comparisons?

83644 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Klein, 6, #121 of 1156 🔗

I’ve checked using this site:-

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases?areaType=nation&areaName=Northern%20Ireland

Cases have been rising slightly since the end of June. It got to a low of 1.6 at the end of June and is now 10.9 per day on a seven day average. But like you I think cases are meaningless as they seem to be a product of testing rather than a measure of illness.

Since early July hospital admissions have varied twixt 0 and 2 a day – the averag, of course, being one.

And as you say – no deaths since mid-July.

These figures, in my view, justify relaxing measures – not making life tougher!

83749 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to Ned of the Hills, 9, #122 of 1156 🔗

No deaths since mid July is plenty of justification for relaxing everything, basically, and simply having reminders for people to please practice good hygiene. It is beyond bonkers, completely and utterly incomprehensible, to be adding restrictions.

83680 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Klein, 18, #124 of 1156 🔗

If I ever get accused of being a granny killer I’ll ask what division, Harold Shipman League or the NHS premier league

83685 ▶▶▶ Gossamer, replying to Chris John, 4, #125 of 1156 🔗

Excellent response!

84103 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Chris John, 2, #126 of 1156 🔗

Great reply! I will nick it as part of my repetoire of responses!

83710 ▶▶ Malcolm Ramsay, replying to Klein, 7, #127 of 1156 🔗

I think my riposte to the ‘granny killer’ accusation, should it arise, will be “If you want to stop old people dying of natural causes, how and when do you think they should die?”

83788 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Klein, 3, #128 of 1156 🔗

I’d tell them that I don’t kill grannies, only people who get in my face and try to run my life for me.

84220 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Klein, 2, #129 of 1156 🔗

Exactly. As long as you don’t spend you spare roaming round old people’s homes and coughing on the resident, I think you’ll be ok.

84334 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Klein, #130 of 1156 🔗

Bet you a quid the butchers get back to normal pdq.
Walking face naked toward my usual convenience store, outside is a woman with a gaggle of kids, hers and her friends? As I open the door I just know they are staring at me and out comes the “! MuUM !?. . .”
I think I can guess the question.

83616 Mark II, replying to Mark II, 13, #131 of 1156 🔗

The fact the Guardian and Evening Standard got in touch is hilarious. The Guardian asking you to respond to ‘the charge’ they almost certainly just made up themselves is even better – shows how pathetic their standard of journalism really is these days.

83675 ▶▶ InfiniteDissent, replying to Mark II, 2, #132 of 1156 🔗

Personally I think the forum dating thing is likely to be a failure. Forums are not a good medium for dating. They are designed for public discussion, where people post comments for the benefit of the peanut gallery, which means they will attract trolls and troublemakers, or just well-intentioned but off-topic discussion.

Dating sites are built around a different model, where the profiles themselves may be publicly visible, but all subsequent interactions are private. Trolling and harassment still exists on dating sites, but with no public audience the motivation for it is reduced. Also dating sites have features to facilitate matchmaking, such as searching for people in a suitable age range or geographic area, which is somewhat difficult to implement on a forum.

83790 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to InfiniteDissent, 1, #133 of 1156 🔗

Having had a quick look at this new forum section I agree. Totally unsuitable for a site like this.

84156 ▶▶▶▶ ikaraki, replying to davews, #134 of 1156 🔗

In all honesty I agree. Having been a forum kiddie in the past, during which I was catfished (young and naive..), I can say with confidence that they are not for dating.

I mean the internet is not for dating either. Met everyone I’ve been with through friends or other social settings. The current state of affairs mean that these relaxed interactions have pretty much completely stopped for me.

We have bigger things to discuss!

84336 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark II, #135 of 1156 🔗

Toby should let the trolls stay, funny as fxxk. Some might even be letting rip with what they actually believe.

83620 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 21, #136 of 1156 🔗

It’s often hard changing someone’s mind who has been taken in by what is effectively brainwashing.

A useful question is to ask: “What have to happen for you to revert back to what you did before?” or “What would have to happen for you to stop doing x y z?”

It is less argumentative and confrontational.

For example, someone now supporting mask wearing and being righteous would do the same to themselves from one month ago. What would have to change for them to stop doing it?

I suspect many haven’t asked themselves this. When does it stop?

83711 ▶▶ nat, replying to mhcp, 7, #137 of 1156 🔗

You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into.

83751 ▶▶▶ DoesDimSyniad, replying to nat, 4, #138 of 1156 🔗

Still would be interesting to hear people’s responses though. I personally would like to survey people about why they’re wearing masks – and ‘the government says so’ or ‘it’s the law’ would not be permitted answers.

83916 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to nat, 4, #139 of 1156 🔗

It was used for people with Trump Derangement Syndrome thinking he was going to imprison all gay people in camps. Once you realise one thing is absurd you are more open to others being exagerrated.

Which is more of my point. You don’t do the reasoning. They do.

But your point stands as it’s a classic.

84343 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mhcp, 6, #140 of 1156 🔗

A not overly educated woman started on me today about the Covid (outdoors so mask neutral).
I said ” do you know that 70% of people think that 10% of Brits had died from it ?”(see Toby’s post today).
I was guessing that she was of the 70%.
After a bit she responded ‘so how many people would that be ?’
“About 7 million, the population of London”.
‘so how many do you reckon have died ?’
“less than 50,000, same as normal flu”

She let that sink in a bit before asking
‘Do you know anyone who has actually had it ?’
“No and I don’t know anyone who knows anybody else who has had it”
‘no’ she said, ‘me neither’.

83622 kf99, replying to kf99, 2, #141 of 1156 🔗

http://thinkscotland.org/thinkpolitics/articles.html?read_full=14234&article=www.thinkscotland.org

2040 – A Scottish dystopia
At lunchtime, you listen to Prime Minister Black’s thrice-weekly Press Conference. These originally started as an emergency measure by her predecessor, Nicola Sturgeon in 2020, during the great Covid-19 Pandemic, but twenty years later they are now an indelible part of Scottish life.”

83682 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to kf99, 1, #142 of 1156 🔗

All too likely, I fear.

83796 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to kf99, #143 of 1156 🔗

Well all I can say is: enjoy yourselves.

84638 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to kf99, #144 of 1156 🔗

Never! Nicola S. should be put in a straightjacket. She’s nuts! I try to imagine how she was brought up. Her parents must have been control freaks. I would sympathize with her but she is just too overbearing and beyond salvation.

83625 Geraint, replying to Geraint, 23, #145 of 1156 🔗

Disgraceful BBC at it again. Last night’s 10 o’clock new was outrageous with some reporter using the most hysterical, bed-wetting language re: second wave BS. Then today BBC website talks of Australia’s ‘deadliest’ Covid day – 19 deaths…. yes 19 deaths ffs. As I pointed put (pissing in the wind I expect) on the BBC HYS site there were 1146 road fatalities in Australia in 2019, that dwarfs the Covid ‘killer virus’… It is just so bonkers now I think I am going to book a seat on Elon Musk’s Mars mission….

83757 ▶▶ DoesDimSyniad, replying to Geraint, 6, #146 of 1156 🔗

There were 3855 doctor certified deaths (i.e not the full total) from flu in Australia in 2019. But coronavirus is not ‘just’ a flu apparently – there is of course no ‘just’ about flu, while this IS just a nothing. If anyone can tell me a strain of flu where 80% have no symptoms I’d be most interested.

83772 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Geraint, 6, #147 of 1156 🔗

19 deaths out of a population of 25 million? The Sky is Falling, The Sky is Falling!

84348 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Geraint, 2, #148 of 1156 🔗

The BBC spent all day on bedwettery Max overload but at the same time
‘following the science the government is confident that it will be perfectly safe for the schools to reopen next month’.
Ha Ha Ha Aunties knickers in a right old twist.

84641 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Geraint, #149 of 1156 🔗

It will take about a year to get there.

83630 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 5, #150 of 1156 🔗

News from Ireland

Face coverings are now mandatory in “retail settings” in both NI and the republic – so a good example of north / south coordination there. A couple of notable differences though:

  • The fine for non-compliance in NI is £60 – In the Emerald Isle it can be 2,500 Euros!
  • Mission creep in the Republic has extended beyond that stated only a few days ago to include Libraries, Museums, Theatres and Cinemas. Banks and Post Offices are exempt.

Plus also, Ireland has now “out performed” the UK in it’s 14 day average for number of cases per 100,00 population (according to the ECDC) after a few meat factory surges. It will presumably now need to revise it’s travel “Green List” to include the UK which is currently excluded – the green list includes only Estonia, Finland, Greece, Greenland, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Norway, Slovak Republic (Slovakia).

All non essential travel is discouraged by the Government who prefer people to take a staycation – now excluding, of course, the three counties placed into local lockdown on Friday….

Stay tuned – it could be an exciting / depressing week.

83799 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to godowneasy, 1, #151 of 1156 🔗

Still see plenty of Irish registration plates here. Escapees?

83877 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #152 of 1156 🔗

Yes maybe – but they will have to quarantine for 14 days when they return!

83631 Steve Martindale, 5, #153 of 1156 🔗

I have now had a reply from my MP, much as I expected but at least he has passed my concerns on to Government.
Dear Mr Martindale

Thank you for your email to Geoffrey regarding the Government’s approach to tackling the coronavirus epidemic. Due to the volume of correspondence he is receiving, he has been unable to respond to individual cases as quickly as he would like. I am therefore replying for the sake of expediency – I hope this meets with your approval.

I fully appreciate the points you make regarding this. You may be pleased to learn that Geoffrey is maintaining regular contact with his government colleagues, enabling him to bring matters to their attention that have been raised with him by his constituents. I will therefore be sure to show him your comments.

Thank you for taking the time to write to Geoffrey.

Best

Ben


Benjamin Fox | Senior Executive Officer

Office of The Rt. Hon. Geoffrey Cox QC MP

Further to my concerns about the lack of a Government plan for Covid I noticed this article in the Lancet, I am not sure if it has been noted here already?
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30633-2/fulltext
I am not sure I agree with all the comments but I do agree that we need to get real; at present we cannot eradicate this virus from the UK. We need a containment plan but I am not sure this Gov has a plan at all?
I guess one problem with having a sensible containment plan is that it would have to set out what we are prepared to live with and that may be ‘the policy that dare not speak it’s name’ for much of the public who I think are simply looking for total elimination, however unattainable that may be.

83636 PowerCorrupts, replying to PowerCorrupts, 10, #154 of 1156 🔗

Petition to prevent restrictions on people who refuse cov19 vaccination: up 62,000+, can we get it to 100K+ ? (please)
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442

83639 ▶▶ Geraint, replying to PowerCorrupts, 2, #155 of 1156 🔗

Gladly; done it. Resist the march of the ‘Medico-Fascist’ state

83641 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to PowerCorrupts, 1, #156 of 1156 🔗

Done and forwarded …

85128 ▶▶▶ PowerCorrupts, replying to kh1485, #157 of 1156 🔗

Excellent! Thanks to everyone. It seems to be growing faster than the ones calling to end lockdown/end masks, although I suspect these may be being suppressed by social media. Wonder why they haven’t spotted the vaccination one…

83678 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to PowerCorrupts, 3, #158 of 1156 🔗

Done

83802 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to PowerCorrupts, 1, #159 of 1156 🔗

Done

83831 ▶▶ xplod, replying to PowerCorrupts, 1, #160 of 1156 🔗

Done… and shared

83938 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to PowerCorrupts, 2, #161 of 1156 🔗

Done. Mandatory masks could just be the opening salvo to soften us up for accepting mandatory vaccinations.

83648 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 17, #162 of 1156 🔗

Ordered some walking boots online from Regatta but they didn’t fit so decided to take them back to the actual store today just to see what an intu shopping centre was currently like.

No mask obviously and completely ignored the one way bollocks too. Nobody tried to force hand sanitiser on me either.

Went in Regatta, Boots, Marks and Spencers, HMV and Sports Direct. Only got asked in one of them (Regatta) if I had a face mask. I said no, I’m exempt. He said fine, no problem. They let me try on clothes in there as normal.

Everybody else I saw (a good few hundred people) were muzzled up apart from a few young children, but nobody said anything to me and because their faces are covered you can’t even tell if they are giving you a dirty look. I wonder when the penny will drop that they don’t need to wear a mask.

For me the worst part of the trip was the music they had on in Sports Direct. Jesus Christ. What a load of shite. Apart from that the rest of the trip was fine.

84108 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Hubes, 1, #163 of 1156 🔗

Intu are in deep trouble and perhaps the negative reactions they’ve been getting have forced them to do a U turn.

The power is within us – we can vote with our feet and wallet to show our displeasure

84352 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hubes, 1, #164 of 1156 🔗

Hand sanitizer seems to be going out of fashion all over the place.

83650 Nobody2020, 4, #165 of 1156 🔗

Haha, just found this during a random search. It’s dated Oct 2019:

I AM LEGEND 2 [HD] Trailer -Will Smith Horror Movie [Fan Made]
“God didn’t do this. We did”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2tCX54cDx4

83651 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #166 of 1156 🔗

Breathtakingly awful reporting:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/10/plastic-use-has-risen-lockdown-survey-shows-online-ordering/

The use of plastic has risen during lockdown, with online ordering largely to blame, according to a survey.
While households have tried to reduce their plastic waste output for several years, the coronavirus crisis seems to have reversed this progress.
The waste which rose the most during lockdown included snack wrappers, delivery parcel bags, and PPE.

What does PPE have to do with online ordering???

Last month, Carrie Symonds urged Amazon to tackle this issue by giving shoppers a plastic-free option at checkout.

Pity she didn’t get onto de Piffle about the scandalous increase in single-use plastic caused by his insistence that pubs and restaurants did only takeaway for weeks on end.

A new landmark law to outlaw the use of plastic straws, stirrers and cotton buds was due to be voted on in April, but was halted by coronavirus. Now, ministers are racing against the clock to get the ban in place as soon as October.

Wow, that’s really going to redress the balance of all the PPE that’s being discarded every day!

  • It could take up to 500 years for face masks made of polypropylene to degrade
  • One study by UCL estimates that in the UK alone, if every person used a single-use face mask a day for a year, it would create an additional 66,000 tonnes of contaminated waste and 57,000 tonnes of plastic packaging.
83782 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #167 of 1156 🔗

How about styrofoam and throwaway plates, cups, saucers, knives, forks, spoons…?
No more need for washing up liquid.

83958 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #168 of 1156 🔗

By my calculations, if every person used a single-use face mask a day for a year it would cost around £10 billion. Not like we’ve got anything better to do with our cash.

Based on price of Boots multi-pack masks:
https://www.boots.com/boots-type-2-protective-face-masks-bundle1-10286448

84239 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to zacaway, #169 of 1156 🔗

‘protective’?!

84441 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to zacaway, #170 of 1156 🔗

“Each mask offers 98% bacterial filtration efficiency”
Err, but it’s a virus!

84110 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #171 of 1156 🔗

If anything the disposable muzzles and gloves are a bigger problem than single use plastic.

84328 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #172 of 1156 🔗

I’m just adding it to the mix. Stay home and order take out food.

83653 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #173 of 1156 🔗

Hubris.

83663 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, #174 of 1156 🔗

?

84329 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, #175 of 1156 🔗

Look it up in the dictionary. The UK government is guilty of hubris.

83662 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #176 of 1156 🔗

I read the Menston article this morning and was struck by this statment from a resident:

On the streets of Menston itself, locals aren’t so much angry as baffled. Mr Rhodes, …. works at a golf course near Leeds – firmly outside the lockdown area.
“I respect that they need to do sensible things and this is a semi-rural area, so the line has to be drawn, but am I supposed to go from here to work? I don’t actually know the answer. It’s just a bit confusing.”

The recent Yorkshire lockdowns simply (and bizarrely) prevent families from meeting in their homes and gardens and have some restrictions about meeting in pubs and restaurants!

How many people have locked themselved down fully and aren’t working because they can’t be arsed to find out exactly what the edict means for them?

83670 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #177 of 1156 🔗

How many people are ignoring the whole shambles for the same reason?

83719 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #178 of 1156 🔗

Two useful words :

‘Fuck’

and

‘Off’

.. and a phrase :

‘If you’re scared – go and lock yourself up. But don’t involve me.’

83739 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #179 of 1156 🔗

You would think anybody’s first thought when faced with this crap would be “Shit, how do I get out of this?”, but no, the sheep just lap it up. They cock half an ear to the ‘guidance’ then make the rest up and don’t even bother to look at the law. The ‘local’ stuff is 80% guidance, the law only relates to homes and gardens.

83669 Steve, 2, #180 of 1156 🔗

The book that was mentioned ‘is Free Speech Racist’ is published by Wiley so definitely not a parody!

83671 Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 4, #181 of 1156 🔗

Was about to send in as a theme tune Morrissey’s title song from his latest Album “I Am Not A Dog On A Chain” when I noted today’s theme tune. No doubt the track has already been submitted but noble sentiments in the lyrics (song and album) all the same. Plenty of contemporary references. I was inspired to listen by a kind article (refreshing after the press savagery he has faced) on the ‘charming man’ in the US edition of the Spectator:

https://spectator.us/human-after-all-morrissey-social-distancing/

A pop star for our times.

84020 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 1, #182 of 1156 🔗

As the weird world of lockdown winds down, we might pause to consider what we’ve learned.
….. The COVID-19 crisis may make things better, if only because things could hardly be worse. Talk of an economic reset and new normality notwithstanding, I’ve started to feel we may be on the verge of a shift in consciousness sufficient to turn the train around again and allow us to resume our interrupted journey.
…..Truculence may be the Next Big Thing. In the post-lockdown world, we will become happier in our own company, less keen to cling to groups or gangs, more choosey about friendships, less inclined to be put upon by cultural psyops rooted in orthodoxy, and more willing to speak our minds and sing our hearts.

Where is John Waters looking, or are there no sheeple in his part of the world?

83673 annie, replying to annie, 10, #183 of 1156 🔗
83824 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, 8, #184 of 1156 🔗

The scientific community is increasingly coming out to condemn the societal wide shutdowns ordered by numerous, increasingly authoritarian governments around the world.

And about time too!!

83677 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 1, #185 of 1156 🔗

Tune for today: The Creeps, The Scaramanga Six

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah-3mHwkGU0

I love this band.

84028 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, #186 of 1156 🔗

Yay – locals!

83679 PaulC, 8, #187 of 1156 🔗

Just returned from 4 nights in Kingston Upon Thames with two grandchildren. Compared to Cirencester not the only person not wearing a mask in most shops – but some very aggressive looks and sarcasitc comments (‘Why don’t they enforce the law?’). Challenged went entering UNIGLO, Laura Ashley, getting on the K2 bus (very nastily by the driver) and, believe it or not, when entering the the Princess of Wales Conservatory at Kew Gardens!
If you have young children would recommend a visit to the Magic Garden at Hampton Court – the most normal 90 minutes spent with other families since ‘Lockdown’.

83681 MDH, replying to MDH, 11, #188 of 1156 🔗

Before the clampdown, I was a pretty major supporter of the performing arts – theatre, dance, especially opera. I can’t say I’ve really missed it much since the playhouses closed, but I’d like to go back – but I won’t be going to a “Covid-safe” performance.

The latest wheeze from The Donmar Warehouse – once a byword for excellence, now… not so much – is a a ‘socially distanced’ audio performance of a monologue based on the dystopian novel, Blindness.

Can’t say it appeals to me one jot. But each to their own. It is “performed” by Juliet Stephenson – I still recall with horror her performance in the National Theatre’s assault on The Seagull a few years ago. What that means is you sit in the Donmar spaced as far as is practicable from your fellow theatre-goers, and you wear headphones.

And now, if that wasn’t appealing enough, you’ll have to wear a fayce-claart throughout.

Amazingly, it’s selling quite well. There really is no bottom to the well of self-hatred the bien-pensant class have fallen into, is there?

83694 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to MDH, 12, #189 of 1156 🔗

Can you imagine Metropolitan Opera, La Scala and Vienna State Opera being closed during the Asian flu 1957-58 or Hong Kong flu 1968-69? Some orchestra performance might have had to be cancelled if too many in the orchestra were ill with flu, but no. Nobody would have the ludicrous idea of stopping performances for years. Only in the insane world of Project Fear instigated by Big Pharma would that ever occur.

83708 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 9, #190 of 1156 🔗

Yes. But don’t blame the victims. Companies/Orchestras have no option but to dance around to the ludicrous government guidelines.

I mentioned yesterday the experience of someone in the family, working for a national company (currently filming rather than performing live) – forced into wearing a mask all day in setting up the stage, and feeling very unwell from it.

The orchestra I play in hasn’t rehearsed or performed since the last concert at the beginning of March, but is also, in effect, bound by the same ludicrous pantomime because of ‘health and safety’ + insurance etc.

I know others are looking to get back to routine in September – but I’m dubious about this bunch of dangerous political clowns letting go of the reins – and if it means anti-social distancing and/or masks – count me out.

I have to say, that back in early May when I first voiced (over Zoom) my evidenced scepticism about the Scary Fairy Dance, I was howled down by the Covid convinced. The brainwashing has been immense.

83729 ▶▶▶▶ MDH, replying to RickH, 11, #191 of 1156 🔗

I’m so frustrated and angry at the complete supplication by the arts establishment to this crap that I really can’t be bothered anymore. Me and the OH have given thousands of pounds over the years to various arts organisations, but that will stop if this continues much longer.

If people want to pay out to sit in discomfort in third-filled venues watching highly compromised semi-live performance, that’s up to them. But if the performers can’t see which way the wind’s blowing and bloody well organise some opposition, I’m not giving up a red cent.

What does the Musician’s Union have to say about this? Probably all on board with the government…

83732 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to MDH, 5, #192 of 1156 🔗

All together now, a one and a two and a one two three four…

83760 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to MDH, 3, #193 of 1156 🔗

Looking back at art history wasn’t it ever thus? Certainly there’s an argument for the 20th Century from the political manifesto and ‘launch’ of futurism onwards that art of the day has been contrived. Contrived for reasons beyond the canvas/utinal/enbalmed shatk.

This difference as I see contemporary art and why it mostly completely fails as meaningful culture is that it sets itself in irrelevance. This is because ideas and discussions that are ambiguous are easier to make to defend. If an artist makes a finite statement, they are trapped by it. Plenty of wiggle room required equates to dreadful irrelevance.

2-6 is right this Nat Theatre thing hums like a psy-op.

The depth in a cezanne is something worth while. There is a humanity in Lascaux and in tribal art. Who is sponsoring the Nat Theatre and the turner prize, the arts council? The british council? The bbc?

83956 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Basics, 3, #194 of 1156 🔗

As I have mentioned before many famous modernist artists suffered terribly through two world wars and still produced fantastic work, wherefore art thou Hurst and Emin?, the current crop of
” curators” and practitioners wallowing in woke and identity shite, who fuckin’ needs em!

83848 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to MDH, 3, #195 of 1156 🔗

They’re all in it together, some more victim than collaborator.

84124 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to MDH, 1, #196 of 1156 🔗

Well said. Mr Bart and I have gone to concerts, plays, operas but we’re not going if it means having to pay through the nose due to anti-social distancing and forced to wear muzzles.

The management of orchestras, theatre companies and performing arts companies are like their counterparts in the museums, heritage sector and even hospitality and retail – cowards and supine in the face on the assault on their sector. They seem to be more interested in virtue signalling and jumping on bandwagons rather than campaigning against the assaults on our civil liberties and accelerating the demise of their sector.

83793 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to RickH, 4, #197 of 1156 🔗

I don’t blame the rank and file – I do blame the orchestra management for not standing up to the government idiots.

83843 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 3, #198 of 1156 🔗

A definite power grab by the political class. The party in power, with the connivance of the parties forming the “opposition”. Iraq War all over again as far as cross-party support is concerned, only more solid.

83714 ▶▶ MDH, replying to MDH, 2, #199 of 1156 🔗

Worth adding to this, as it’s beyond satire. From the marketing email:

Blindness includes strong language, extended periods of complete blackout, loud noises, and bright flashing lights and strobe in close proximity to visitors. If you urgently need assistance during the installation, including during the blackouts, please raise your hand and a member of the front of house team will make their way to you.
Due to the subject matter, Blindness is recommended for audiences aged 15+. There are moments in the text that some people may find difficult to encounter.

In other words STAY AWAY!

Remember when horror films used to use “See it if you dare” as a marketing lure? Now it’s because they’re afraid the audience might soil the upholstery.

83722 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to MDH, 2, #200 of 1156 🔗

Sounds like a psy-op production. I went to see Orwell’s 1984 a few years ago in a small local theater, it was just horrific, way over the top blood and violence, really shocking.
Then there was The Passion, that traumatised a generation of people, especially old Christian ladies who went to see it as a duty to the church or something. I found it horrifying, a 120 minute snuff movie.

Psy-ops both of them. Trauma based mind control

84038 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MDH, 1, #201 of 1156 🔗

If you urgently need assistance during the installation, including during the blackouts, please raise your hand and a member of the front of house team will make their way to you.

Will they be wearing night-vision glasses?

83787 ▶▶ Edward, replying to MDH, 9, #202 of 1156 🔗

I’m on emailing lists for various arts organisations. I’ve already told some I won’t be back under current restrictions. When they run into financial difficulties and send out begging letters I’m going to tell them that it’s their own bloody stupid fault for cravenly capitulating to all the government bollocks. As far as I’m concerned they can all go and work for Amazon if that’s the way they want it.

84133 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Edward, 1, #203 of 1156 🔗

Same here. And you can bet that we will be inundated with begging letters and emails. I will tell them to stick their appeals where the sun don’t shine and if they were too cowardly to fight for their institutions when the government was depriving them of their right to make an honest living then they don’t deserve to survive.

84235 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #204 of 1156 🔗

Got it in one.
Ditto to grovelling arse-lickers like the National Trust.
I’d willingly divert my cash to help set up a National Sceptics Foundation.

84257 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, #205 of 1156 🔗

Yep. Again vote with our feet and wallets and when the likes of the National Trust struggle with members and revenue they will have no-one but themselves to blame.

83860 ▶▶ Sylvie, replying to MDH, 2, #206 of 1156 🔗

Saramago’s novel, ‘Blindness’, is actually a very sobering one, like 1984, so might resonate with others on this site. But please don’t attempt it if feeling at all fragile.
Then there’s the sequel, ‘Seeing’, reviewed thus in 2006:

‘The story begins with those ordinary citizens, who not so long ago regained their sight and their tranquil day-to-day lives, doing something that seems quite unconnected with vision or lack of it. It is voting day, and 83% of them, after not going to the polls at all in the morning, go in the late afternoon and cast a blank ballot…Turning in a blank ballot is a signal unfamiliar to most Britons and Americans, who aren’t yet used to living under a government that has made voting meaningless. In a functioning democracy, one can consider not voting a lazy protest liable to play into the hands of the party in power … It comes hard to me to admit that a vote is not in itself an act of power, and I was at first blind to the point Saramago’s non-voting voters are making.

I began to see it at last, when the minister of defence announces that what the country is facing is terrorism.Other ministers oppose him but he gets what he wants – a state of emergency,…The ministers jockey horribly for power. A superintendent of police is sent into the city to find the woman who did not go blind … He brings us to the woman, the gentle light-bearer of the first book. But where that story began with an awful darkness that slowly opened into light, this one goes right down into the dark.’
Saramago won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1998.

83687 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #207 of 1156 🔗

https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1292550257314803712/photo/1

The discussion of a second wave or not might not be that relevant. Perhaps we have not finished the first wave either with severe lockdown or not lockdown with social distancing. Both actions might only just prolong the pain and the virus is in search of new regions in Europe.
Michael Levitt have speculated that herd immunity might be reached when a country has reached 500-600 deaths per million. The outlier ie NYC where the higher death rate was caused by deliberate spreading of the pandemic to nursing homes. If Levitt is right, Europe has in many places reached that level and should be out of danger. But what happens if we should think about cases per million instead? Then we have a problem in Europe. See this graph in the twitter.
In Latin America and the US cases per million is much higher than Europe about 15000 and in Chile which seems to have turned the corner and achieved herd immunity has 20000 cases per million and about 500 deaths per million. Let us use 20000 per million with estimating 10 times more undetected cases would give us 200 000 cases per million about 20 % herd immunity. You could argue that testing numbers would influence the case numbers and it wouldn’t be prudent to use the case figures for estimating herd immunity.

But let us assume that Europe has to reach America’s medium 15000 cases per million ie lots of new cases before the first wave ends.
What does that mean for Europe? The virus might reach out for regions not previously affected and many countries have artificially closed up and in the inevitable opening up the virus has a new chance. But the excess death has disappeared in Europe so perhaps the low hanging fruit(deaths) has been already been collected by the Grim Reaper Covid-19 and only mild young case left not affecting the death statistics? So, could Europe reach 15000 per million without much rise in total C-19 deaths? In that case good news for high death rate countries like UK ,Belgium, Sweden, Italy and Spain. But very bad news for low case low death countries like Germany, Austria, Greece and Denmark.

83696 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 2, #208 of 1156 🔗

There’s an appropriate phrase – about disappearing up ….. 🙂

Relax and contemplate the CEBM data.

83701 ▶▶ DRW, replying to swedenborg, 2, #209 of 1156 🔗

I don’t think Germany counts deaths with other conditions though.

83853 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to DRW, 2, #210 of 1156 🔗

Some countries still have post-mortems and Germany is one of them.

83980 ▶▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #211 of 1156 🔗

I’m not sure how co-ordinated the German data is, in light of their federal states doing things differently. They appear to have only set up a central autopsy registry on 15 April 2020: https://www.embopress.org/doi/full/10.15252/emmm.202012885
Meanwhile, worth noting that Italians (commenting below on a German paper about “Precautions in postmortem examinations in Covid-19 – related deaths: Recommendations from Germany”) say:

‘The problem of safety in autopsy rooms is a popular topic for discussion at the present time, yet we note that the risk of contamination by respiratory pathogens (with similar transmission modes) has always existed (a notable example being tuberculosis). Despite this consideration, many centres of Forensic Medicine (in countries such as Italy) do not have BSL3 autopsy rooms (as described in other articles 2 , 3 ). For this reason, autopsies on COVID-19 corpses are performed only exceptionally, given “safe” autopsy rooms are not available . Obviously, this fact greatly limits the study of the pathology and understanding of the pathophysiological mechanism.’
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1752928X20301347?via%3Dihub

84232 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Sylvie, 1, #212 of 1156 🔗

Yeah, well, do they actually want to discover what really killed the alleged Covid victims?
Better to cremate ’em quick, no evidence, no questions asked.

84344 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to annie, 1, #213 of 1156 🔗

They do, Annie, yes. Scientists have enquiring minds, some even post here. Everyone worth their salt is intrigued and dead keen to find out exactly how it works, what mitigates its activities, how to improve outcomes for patients.

84053 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, #214 of 1156 🔗

Europe got it earlier and so started testing relatively later.

The ONS survey was only finding about 0.34% or something positive when it started (in late April I think). The peak was already past.

For comparison drive thru PCR testing (so some selection bias) was finding 20% positive ratios in Bavaria at the peak.

The official number of UK “cases” is obviously a huge underestimate of the actual number of infections.

83688 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #215 of 1156 🔗

More agenda bile from the disgrace that is edinburghlive.

Headlune:
Covidiots spark fears after abandoning burning campfire in West Lothian beauty spot
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/covidiots-spark-fears-after-abandoning-18745390

The use of ‘covidiots’ actually legitimately makes that link ‘fake news’. Anyone who reads through will see their is no link whatsoever between an abondoned campfire and covid 19.

Grim times for free speech though it may be there are many ready to fight for it.

83691 ▶▶ annie, replying to Basics, 4, #216 of 1156 🔗

So was anybody worried about the damage to the beauty spot?
If they’d been trying to burn the Poison Witch on their wee bonfire it would have been forgivable.

83704 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to annie, 2, #217 of 1156 🔗

Its disgusting what is happening across the country with the trend for camping benders.

This is not a new covid issue its been increasing in recent years. A tipping point may have been reached where groups are finding it acceotable to not care in the least for any damage they cause. I’ve seen all this first hand, the campers haven’t the first idea about what nature is. Me Camping.

Time was when British Army camps in the highlands could be found from the disgraceful remains following over night stops. Many savvy hillwalkers would treat such areas as a treasure trove of left overs.

Education failure?

83767 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Basics, 1, #218 of 1156 🔗

The problem is it has a trendy name now: “Wild” camping. Rather than illegal camping.

83829 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to kf99, 2, #219 of 1156 🔗

I can’t bring myself to utter that. It’s so far away from anything wild. Slum camping.

83754 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Basics, 1, #220 of 1156 🔗

edinburgh-was-alive

84056 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, #221 of 1156 🔗

Much better to have drawn a link between wild camping and lockdown – if this is a new phenomenon and wasn’t a problem before this year.

83689 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #222 of 1156 🔗

Carpe Diem!

83690 ▶▶ RickH, replying to richard riewer, 2, #223 of 1156 🔗

… and wring its f.ing neck. :-

83865 ▶▶ matt, replying to richard riewer, #224 of 1156 🔗

Nil illegitimi carborundum.

83692 Drawde927, replying to Drawde927, 4, #225 of 1156 🔗

Reading the article by Guy Campbell on the Australian lockdowns http://asenseofplacemagazine.com/deathly-lockdowns-compound-australias-covid-fiasco/ gives me a depressing sense of deja vu! Their government(s) are making the same mistakes (or worse, in Victoria) as we and most of mainland Europe did earlier in the year, and sceptics are making the same points we did back then – almost certainly with the same deafening silence in response.

83753 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Drawde927, 6, #226 of 1156 🔗

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different
results.

Unlike Professor Pantsdown’s magic model that spits out different gibberish every time some idiot uses it

83693 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #227 of 1156 🔗

They are talking about knocking down buildings that may have been infected by Covid-19. Be careful what you wish for, Boris, you could lose your present residence!

83712 ▶▶ Drawde927, replying to richard riewer, 6, #228 of 1156 🔗

The building demolition thing is downright bizarre. Is this a genuinely new measure, or an existing one which has been dusted off and brought to people’s attention?

If viral (or bacterial) contamination were valid grounds for demolishing property, hospitals would have to be flattened and rebuilt on a regular basis!

83726 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Drawde927, 3, #229 of 1156 🔗

I think its a legacy from the 1984 public health act. Say if a building was loaded with dead and deemed to be too unsafe to evacuate, they would pull it down. Horrible. I guess they were preparing for bio-warfare from the Soviet Union or nerve agents.

83727 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 1, #230 of 1156 🔗

or nukes

83745 ▶▶▶▶ Wesley, replying to Two-Six, 4, #231 of 1156 🔗

I think that clause was drafted with pathogens such as anthrax in mind – it can form spores which can last over 50 years! Almost completely unlike C19.

83784 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Wesley, #232 of 1156 🔗

yes that sort of thing

84380 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Wesley, #233 of 1156 🔗

I read it was cut’n’pasted from plans laid earlier to deal with an outbreak of bubonic plague (which still exists in places, Madagascar for one).
Lifted wholesale into the Covid regs.

If buildings were so contaminated they would have to be dealt with the same way as for asbestos. Dismantled brick by brick into plastic bags to be secreted away and buried for future generations.

83959 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Two-Six, 1, #234 of 1156 🔗

1984?

83746 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to richard riewer, 3, #235 of 1156 🔗

Boris is contaminated, can we knock him down first so the buildings and everything else can recover…..

84064 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, #236 of 1156 🔗

After the rrecent article about demolishing “covid contaminated buldings” I thought the following was an interesting follow-up because Kirklees was publicising its planned green space for Huddersfield town centre several months ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/04/manchester-to-build-first-city-centre-park-in-100-years

Also, this has been ongoing: https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/press-release/uk-first-as-towns-and-cities-are-chosen-for-11m-initiative-to-save-green-spaces
Hilary McGrady, the National Trust’s Director General, said: “. This is not just about new ways to fund and support these much-loved community spaces, but completely re-thinking the role green spaces play in our lives …..We need to give parks a reboot and start thinking about them as essential elements of our communities”

That was lst year. Very ironic when you think that the National Trust is now severely rationing access to its country parks. Parks are much more tempting when toilets are available too!

Minister for Parks and Green Spaces, Rishi Sunak said …..:

Well there’s a coincidence!

More evidence of endgame pre-planning? Town centres are going to be embarrassingly derelict soon. Certainly there seems to be mind-boggling amounts of money available to manage the effects of the plandemic. Ironic when you consider they went out of their way to axe my piddling disability allowance last year.

83697 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #237 of 1156 🔗

Uk Column today covers a newly published SPI-B document that was issued to the UK Government on 2 July 2020. The document warns of mass unrest and the country being on a knife edge for civil disobedience and the subsequent impossible management of Corona virus measures.

Also Mike Robinson makes a great point that perhaps anti lockdown protests might make it to the beach – where people are rather than city centres where they are not.

A fine bit of work by UK Column today once again. Covering more than just Covid 19 matters.

https://youtu.be/tqbB_vh-aPY

84228 ▶▶ annie, replying to Basics, #238 of 1156 🔗

Is that perhaps the reason for face nappies? Stifle the opposition?

84246 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Basics, #239 of 1156 🔗

Thanks, Basics. I found that document: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/906354/s0578-spi-b-public-disorder-public-health-contemporary-threats-risks.pdf , plus a whole lot of other guff. One paper, Preparing for a Challenging Winter 2020/21 relating to healthcare, doesn’t even address what is believed will be a massive increase in childbirth following lockdown at the end of March.

83698 DRW, replying to DRW, 12, #240 of 1156 🔗

Good afternoon sceptics. We had an internet cut this morning so I went out for a bike ride.
Wondered if having no internet for few weeks might sway a few zealots.

I saw a park notice had been graffitied over with NO FUN ALLOWED which was quite funny.

Also funny was a house that had not only a big “Thank you NHS” fence banner, but also a similar garden flag and a “Pay Rise for NHS Heroes” window poster! Absolutely laughable.

83737 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to DRW, 12, #241 of 1156 🔗

I’m thinking of putting a banner up;

”Dear NHS, could you start serving our health please”

83828 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Major Panic, 4, #242 of 1156 🔗

Or ‘National Hell Service’

83896 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Sarigan, 2, #243 of 1156 🔗

Its a CHS.
Covid health service
PPP
partners in predation on its public

83957 ▶▶ anon, replying to DRW, 3, #244 of 1156 🔗

they probably work for the NHS

lady in local coop was treated like royalty. she’s a fucking receptionist at local gp gaff.

83699 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 21, #245 of 1156 🔗

Sturgeon -land is becoming crazier and more dystopian with each day that passes:

Rang my dental practice in desperation this morning: call back from friendly receptionist -‘No we are unable to offer any standard treatment to NHS patients at this time’.

So AGPs-(aerosol generating procedures)- ARE STILL NOT ALLOWED, despite the fact that She Who Must Be Obeyed recently announced that drilling and 3 way syringes would be permitted in some circumstances from August 17th.

Receptionist told me that announcements are given out by Sturgeon before dental professionals are actually informed.

The guidelines are also hazy, with plenty of SNP wriggle room.

Furthermore, and most worryingly, practices will be limited to 10 patients per day, with a wait time of 60 minutes between each session, after which deep cleaning must be performed, before the next patient can be admitted.

Added to this, dentists are currently locked in a dispute with Holyrood about inadequate funding arrangements. Many practices are likely to close if the restrictions are not lifted soon.

Waiting lists are soaring.

Secondly, a week ago, my general waste bin was nicked; who knows why? Despite 2 calls and several emails, I’m still waiting for a replacement, having been told that ‘due to the covid, delays are occurring’-this advice is quoted verbatim.

I cannot, try as I might, see how the replacement of a waste bin can possibly be perceived by the council bin controllers as potentially life threatening or an infringement of Holyrood’s covid rules.

One would like to think that since safe disposal of rubbish is an essential council service, the bin police might have sorted this out by now.

Finally, hair appointment arranged for Thursday, but my salon now has a stern list of pre-entry requirements displayed in the window; these are so comprehensive that 2 whole A4 sheets have been filled.

I fear that my exemption badge may not be accepted, in which case I’ll go elsewhere.(All other shops, of whatever kind, have accepted it, but the chief stylist and proprietor doesn’t take any prisoners!)

All this might seem very trivial to fellow sceptics, but it does show how drastically curtailed our normal day to day activities have become .

83709 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to wendyk, 14, #246 of 1156 🔗

Not trivial at all wendyk. I’m feeling stressed out just reading this, so god know’s how you’re feeling. Hairdressers seem to the worst offenders at ‘protocol’ adherence. My sympathies … Sending you a virtual cuppa … and sorry it’s so bloody awful – kh

83720 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to kh1485, 10, #247 of 1156 🔗

Thank you kh; I’m feeling ever more constrained by this ridiculous virtual dictatorship.

83817 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to kh1485, 3, #248 of 1156 🔗

Hairdressers have been locked down longer than other businesses, and probably fear being closed again by local authorities if anyone complains.

84494 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Lms23, 2, #249 of 1156 🔗

But will they? My point is, certainly here, they are relishing every opportunity to boss their customers around (the Whatsapp comments are particularly unpleasant. I posted a video on Sunday of the ‘service’ one hairdresser here is offering and it’s grim). And one hairdresser here actually ratted on one of my Saturday staff for going out for a walk with a friend. I have no sympathy for and will not go to any hairdresser who treats their customers like lepers (as my own hacked tresses bear testament to!).

83713 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to wendyk, 3, #250 of 1156 🔗

Grow dreadlocks

83723 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Two-Six, 8, #251 of 1156 🔗

Regrettably I favour the short layered crop, so shall have to resort to another DIY with the cutting tools.

Gently does it…..

84085 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wendyk, 4, #252 of 1156 🔗

Or how about a mobile hairdresser? Should be less constrained.

84126 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #253 of 1156 🔗

Like Warren Beatty in the film ‘Shampoo’.

84242 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #254 of 1156 🔗

A friend has opted for this, as prices lower and no covid nonsense

84142 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 3, #255 of 1156 🔗

I bought a pair of hair cutting scissors from Amazon – will be going DIY from now on after my first attempt last May.

84238 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #256 of 1156 🔗

I’ve got some as well Bart, and a cutting razor.I think I’ll probably revert to DIY.

84261 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 3, #257 of 1156 🔗

Best of luck with your DIY attempt.

Mr Bart tried the scissors I bought and said they were great.

Definitely looking forward to saving money from now on. If my hair is a bit wonky at the back so what?

84082 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wendyk, 1, #258 of 1156 🔗

Your local councillor SHOULD be able to help you with the bin problem.
You’d think public health would be a priority and I’d certainly put rubbish bins high on that list!

84244 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #259 of 1156 🔗

Our local councillors are useless, but I have emailed the bloke in charge of waste services.

I’ll keep on until they provide a bin

84379 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to wendyk, 1, #260 of 1156 🔗

I’ve been cutting my own from about a month in. I learned to do just a bit at a time, ie a few snips each day by feel, just use the mirror to check now and then. I’m told the result is acceptable so will carry on for now.
(Hint, however tempting do not snip while in drink).

84396 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to karenovirus, 1, #261 of 1156 🔗

I’ve taken the plunge and ordered some small clippers. Now just have to cancel salon appointment.
Money should be saved provided hand and eye coordination maintained: steady as she goes!

83700 nat, replying to nat, 3, #262 of 1156 🔗

Here we go. Calls to make the vaccine mandatory.
Just because we’ve never found a cure for cancer, there is every reason to believe a safe and effective vaccine can be developed within a few months

https://www.smh.com.au/national/government-must-consider-mandatory-covid-19-vaccination-20200807-p55jko.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR08VUOdkV3vQklTxkHhARTEsPHZ21g4aiAMgp4V4W-2ISeJAf4hKZU4kE8#Echobox=1596998446

83725 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to nat, 14, #263 of 1156 🔗

Making it mandatory would be a legal can of worms, are they going to drag people screaming and kicking to the clinic to be stabbed against their will? When you make something mandatory you have to know your enforcement plans and be prepared to carry them through. I am not saying they may not try but they will get much cationary legal advice. My MP who is a a QC is opposed to mandatory vaccination, I am guessing that is partly as he can see all the potential legal problems.

83734 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #264 of 1156 🔗

Sicko scientists is their name and Social shaming is their game.

83741 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #265 of 1156 🔗

Also those most likely to be concerned about the ill effects of non established vaccines may also be those with existing medical conditions- so a legal can of worms in terms of disability discrimination under the Equality Act too ( if they link being vaccinated to access )

83768 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #266 of 1156 🔗

Anyone who attempts to force me to accept a virtually-untested vaccine can s0d off before their nose breaks.

83810 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #267 of 1156 🔗

At the weekend some moron from ICL (we all know who that’s sponsored by) was blathering on to Sky News about how “we’re all in this together and still at terrible risk if less than 60% of the population isn’t vaccinated” or some shit like that.
Fuck off, I can smell the Gates Foundation from miles off.

83900 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to DRW, 2, #268 of 1156 🔗

You can smell them from flipping Pluto.

83901 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #269 of 1156 🔗

The author thinking fining people for refusing is acceptable – wonder what level of fine he is thinking???

84121 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, 1, #270 of 1156 🔗

And I wonder how many times you’re allowed to refuse …….

84332 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #271 of 1156 🔗

Three strikes and you’re out! Clinton brought that one in.

83910 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #272 of 1156 🔗

Social debiting will incentivise compliance for access to ‘freedoms’ that are contingent on good behaviour.
Are non the compliant set to to become the new ‘Jew’ or join the ‘Palestinians’ in a globally mandated locally regulated bulldozable Gaza?
Regardless the labels – the subjugation and denial of human beings by a supremacist or overlording elite is an old pattern but in new clothes as ‘making us safe’.

83950 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #273 of 1156 🔗

My MP refused to rule it out when I asked her.

When you make something mandatory you have to know your enforcement plans and be prepared to carry them through.”

Well, they are not really enforcing masks either, but most people are wearing them.

I’m sure it’s a can of worms, but can you honestly say that a few months ago you would have foreseen the government enacting all the measures it has?

I have written to my doctor asking them what their view, and the views of any relevant professional bodies, is.

84129 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 2, #274 of 1156 🔗

The way they push flu jabs and statins, what do you think?

84252 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Julian, 1, #275 of 1156 🔗

Julian – how did you get on with your email to Toby on this subject?

84118 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #276 of 1156 🔗

They already sorted the law on that. As far as I remember, they can section you and force a vaccine on you, so you can’t claim assault.

Info here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzJpRvSUbl4

84162 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #277 of 1156 🔗

Indeed, that is why Simon Dolan’s appeal is so important.

84357 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #278 of 1156 🔗

The video suggesting that in UK you can be forcibly vaccinated under new laws is false, as even a cursory glance at the comments beneath it and some of the links demonstrate, see e.g.: https://www.gardencourtchambers.co.uk/coronavirus-legal-news-views/coronavirus-act-2020-does-it-permit-mandatory-vaccinations
But that aside, there is no incentive in UK to offer vaccination to any but the at risk population, just like the annual flu cocktail. It’s a pointless waste of money to do otherwise. The rest of us would just get whatever it is and hope to recover. (In a healthcare system driven by other incentives, like the US, it might be another matter.)

83733 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to nat, 2, #279 of 1156 🔗

Everybody please sign the petition. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442 . Currently at 62,492 signatures.

83833 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to nat, 2, #280 of 1156 🔗

The comments below that article are downright scary. Some want those who won’t have the vaccine to be fined, face 6 months quarantine, stopped from working, having any visitors, healthcare, or even face imprisonment.

83964 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Lms23, 4, #281 of 1156 🔗

“Some want those who won’t have the vaccine to be fined, face 6 months quarantine, stopped from working, having any visitors, healthcare, or even face imprisonment.”

Now, that is the really scary part. Some of your fellow citizens want the above.

Someone posted yesterday about the Stanford Prison Experiment – (this would not be allowed today due to update on ethical guidelines – thank goodness).

Well, there you go. Anyone questioning the fact that historically, human beings justified the disgusting treatment of others “for the greater good” it is here, and could be at your door soon.

83902 ▶▶ Binra, replying to nat, 1, #282 of 1156 🔗

How is a vaccine determined to be safe and effective?
Because a Trillion dollar industry says so!
With all the resources, and leverage that they have it must be true!

84132 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Binra, 1, #283 of 1156 🔗

Until proven otherwise – and then it’s too late.

83703 richard riewer, 6, #284 of 1156 🔗

Hire a fleet of tractors and take them to #10 Downing Street. Announce to the Prime Minister that his residence has been condemned. See how he likes it.

83705 Cambridge N, 8, #285 of 1156 🔗

I propose a new word, cacatopia ,* to mean ‘much worse worse than a dystopia’, to describe this, er, cacatopian world.

*This is my updated spelling for the archaic word cacotopia, updated to highlight the shittiness.

83730 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #286 of 1156 🔗

The moo cow boot has admitted the Scottish exam results was a mistake and the scottish government are going to correct things. The non exam exam results spat out by the covid19 exam-o-rama pro master 2 algorithm down graded the poorest areas most. The algorithm did not allow poor areas to achieve beyond their station thank you very much.

UK Column today covered a little of the Scottish Child Sexual Abuse inquiry. UKC reminded us that three heads of the inquiry team resigned together citing political interference. SNP Education John Swinney was involved say UKC today.

Tomorrow John Swinney Education SNP is to address the nation on the errors of the covid19 ‘make it all up as you go’ Exam Algorithm.

83750 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Basics, 1, #287 of 1156 🔗

Let’s hope that they deal with rest of the ‘make-it-up-as-you-go-along’ mess as well.

She cannot maintain her shiny shiny head of cult persona for much longer.

83771 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to wendyk, 3, #288 of 1156 🔗

I assume the “solution” will be everyone getting A++. Then they can all say “Thank you Nicola”

83786 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to wendyk, 3, #289 of 1156 🔗

The cult algorithm o matic 2020 machine has been at work deciding if she can admit an error so large. Clearly the early warning system was telling them this is not survivable and action required. So a calculation to admit failure – spun to show how caring they are? We will see the creep show tomorrow.

83792 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Basics, 2, #290 of 1156 🔗

Quite so; the Dear Leader will no doubt employ a bit of emotional incontinence-she has form- to emphasise her sincere contrition and desire to make restitution.

Cue- she felt like crying when she realised how the hopes of many youngsters had been dashed.

Now, will Ruth Davidson let rip as she should?

83809 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to wendyk, 2, #291 of 1156 🔗

“Humility and show that we listen” are words just spoken by her.

The heart breaking shock for the pupils involved will stay with them.

I fancy they are going to be over generous and leave people knowing this years results are hollow. That’s the least harmful route I see for the cult.

83735 Gossamer, replying to Gossamer, 10, #292 of 1156 🔗

My mother (88, in excellent health and a staunch supporter of our cause) still, somewhat masochistically, listens to James O’Brien’s phone-in on LBC. She’s waiting for a caller to hit him with some cold hard facts, but so far it’s the self-righteous cowards and ignoramuses who dominate the air time on his show.

I’ve always loathed him. (He generally exemplifies everything I despise about what the Left have morphed into: people like that never challenge dogma and are totally incapable of independent thinking.) But he’s an abomination these days, fully signed up to the Corona Cult and ridiculing dissenters as conspiracy theorists. The usual calumny. He clearly refuses to do the slightest bit of digging. Even taking “new infections” at face value. It’s not surprising, sadly.

Much as I dislike the idea of persecuting journalists and broadcasters, I feel that if/when the Nuremberg Trials Part Two finally come, there should be penalties for people of that ilk. A broadcaster has a responsibility to research and disseminate the facts and, where there is doubt and the presence of opposing views and theories, to address these. Most importantly, they need to distinguish between objective reality and opinion.

To fail to do so, and to continue spreading disinformation and propaganda, is at best a dereliction of duty – and at worst, criminal.

83743 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Gossamer, 5, #293 of 1156 🔗

James O’Brien is poison

84136 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, #294 of 1156 🔗

Sick the ‘Arsenic and Old Lace’ gals on him.

83747 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Gossamer, 5, #295 of 1156 🔗

what the Left have morphed into”

Stop the stereotyping bollocks. This emergency needs more than narrow political axe-grinding.

(If you want to pick a political fight – just remember than the bastards who originated this scam are as Blue as all suffocation is)

83791 ▶▶▶ Gossamer, replying to RickH, 7, #296 of 1156 🔗

I’m of the old-school left. I’m referring to the way in which classic left-wing ideas of fairness, opportunity, freedom and human dignity have been twisted by some into a very different -sometimes unrecognisable- entity.

83807 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Gossamer, 3, #297 of 1156 🔗

Yes, I honestly have not found anything the left says has got my attention for a very very long time. It is actually quite strange as try as I might I cannot find a “lefty” speaker that appeals to me.

I used to naturally gravitate to the old style left, John Pilger, Chomsky, Galloway,Even Owen Jones before he took the blue pill with his comments on poverty and “the underclass”. The anti-war stance was a big pull for me too.

I do want to find a home in the left but it just a fake left, a state sponsored and controlled left.

83827 ▶▶▶▶▶ Gossamer, replying to Two-Six, 9, #298 of 1156 🔗

Back in the day, there was an (annual, I think?) conference in London for A-level Politics students. Cunningly, they would place Tony Benn as the final speaker, thus ensuring that we all stayed until the end. It was at the time of the poll tax demos. Someone questioned him about his stance on that, and he said: “All our liberties were won by breaking the law … conscience is above the law.”

A really inspiration speaker. But I’d be hard pushed to think of any real statesmen/women at present.

83845 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Gossamer, 2, #299 of 1156 🔗

Shame about Hillary. Best thing he ever did was have a girly elbow fight on the commons front benches with Corbyn live on telly. He looked like a childish fool as Corbyn wouldn’t move over to let him sit back in the seat

84376 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Gossamer, 2, #300 of 1156 🔗

Tony is my one and only political hero. I once stood in a
queue for four hours to see him speak at my uni.
He was clearly half cut and he spent the entire hour smoking a cigar. Worth every minute of the wait.

83913 ▶▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to Gossamer, 4, #301 of 1156 🔗

My views are along the same lines.

I used to enjoy listening to James O’Brien on the way to work a few years ago, but got fed up with him going on about Brexit (even as a Remainer – I’d just got totally sick of hearing about the subject, from either side).
I’m definitely glad I don’t listen to him (or LBC at all) any more! It sounds like he’s become an archetype of the Covid-zealot/doomer/bedwetter camp – incredibly judgmental, self-righteous and opinionated at the same time as being poorly informed, ignorant and taking official pronouncements and “science” at face value.

84127 ▶▶▶▶▶ Gossamer, replying to Drawde927, 1, #302 of 1156 🔗

Yep, that sums it up.

83847 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to RickH, 6, #303 of 1156 🔗

Peter Hitchens would disagree with your assessment that the bastards who originated this scam are Blue in any way, shape or form.
Cameron turned the Tory party into a close replica of Blair’s New Labour.

83921 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Lms23, 4, #304 of 1156 🔗

Politicians are made an offer they cant refuse – or blacklisted?
Corbyn was trawled for dirt and they found none and resorted to the race card. How can a man be ‘trusted’ (read reliably controlled or kept in check’ if you don’t have dirt on him?
There are all kinds of ways of being inducted into a willingness to sell out.
people have minds that compartmentalise so as not to know what they are doing.

84139 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Lms23, 2, #305 of 1156 🔗

I think that Cameron’s favourite activity when he was PM was debating in the House of Commons. And little else.

84155 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lms23, 2, #306 of 1156 🔗

Blair’s party was never Labour – new or otherwise. We always called them the Pink Tories.

A leader must have the courage to act against an expert’s advice.
~ James Callaghan

84160 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #307 of 1156 🔗

Funny that, conservatives recognise that the modern “Conservative” Party are Blairites (as you might have seen a number of us say explicitly on here), and as Peter Hitchens has explained in several full length books.

84377 ▶▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #308 of 1156 🔗

The pink Tories! I love it

83775 ▶▶ tonys, replying to Gossamer, 8, #309 of 1156 🔗

The main broadcasters as a whole are culpable, for spreading the fear and division we have experienced over the last few months, the management for allowing it to happen and individuals for engaging in the most irresponsible fear mongering this nation has ever been subjected to.

83926 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to tonys, 1, #310 of 1156 🔗

It is a ‘war’ and under ‘war’ all kinds of pressures are brought to bear.
War is used to shift the social order.

83839 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Gossamer, 1, #311 of 1156 🔗

He was no different on Brexit.
I cannot stand him.

83887 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Gossamer, 1, #312 of 1156 🔗

James O’Brien has such an inflated idea about his own importance and intellect that I’m surprised he is able to fit his (unnaturally large) head into the studio.

83736 RickH, replying to RickH, 10, #313 of 1156 🔗

I’ve just dropped into my GP practise to get a piss-tube and make book a time-slot with the diabetes nurse.

Now – I’ve never had any complaints about this practise. Good doctors and nurses, competent receptionists etc. Always the routine – if things were urgent, it’s been easy to drop down at 08:00, queue with a handful of others and get an appointment on the day.

Now? I’ve had less trouble visiting Wakefield nick.

Despite reluctant donning of face-nappy – door locked, with unanswered intercom (piss tubes,fortunately, left outside). Only alternative – to get back on the ‘engaged’ telephone and wait or pray.

.. or just die quietly.

F. me!

83742 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to RickH, 3, #314 of 1156 🔗

Crazy

83911 ▶▶ GrowYourOwn, replying to RickH, 7, #315 of 1156 🔗

Just pee through the letterbox and tell them you’ve dropped your sample off!!

84158 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to GrowYourOwn, #316 of 1156 🔗

Unfortunately the cleaner didn’t make the policy.

83738 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #317 of 1156 🔗

https://twitter.com/9thfloor/status/1292774712280584192/photo/1

This is great. To be printed out and carry with you if you do not want to wer a mask(Picked up in a twitter feed Simon Dolan)

83780 ▶▶ davews, replying to swedenborg, 12, #318 of 1156 🔗

Just sent off a nasty email to our church administrators. One of our church websites says:
“We have also made the decision that people should wear face masks
(unless they have a doctor’s permission not to do so).”
Politely pointing them to the rules and the BMA page saying surgeries will not issue certificates….

84093 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to davews, 3, #319 of 1156 🔗

Half encouraging reply. Our minister has agreed to update the guidance and remove the doctor’s permission bit. She then suggested I wore a visor if I had problems with masks….. Then in her follow up email she asked where exemption lanyards could be obtained, I suggested the sunflower ones most supermarket customer service have, and of course the government one on the link I had already sent her. To wrap it up she agreed that for many of us lack of lip reading is a real issue. Maybe I am slowly getting there..

84165 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to davews, #320 of 1156 🔗

Wouldn’t it be great if the lanyards were handed out the congregation as they enter the church?

83814 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to swedenborg, #321 of 1156 🔗

Does this include Scotland?

83756 Aremen, replying to Aremen, 1, #322 of 1156 🔗

Did anyone else on here, especially NOT in the south west, receive a leaflet last year entitled “What will you do if it happens to you?”. It’s a cartoony thing telling you blindingly obvious things to do in the event of severe weather, a terrorist attack, a major transport incident, loss of essential services, or “Disease (pandemic flu or animal disease)”. It was produced by the Devon, Cornwall and isles of Scilly Local Resilience Forum. Are there other such local forums (fora) nationwide? If so, did they all produce such leaflets last year? Were they centrally coordinated? Did they know something we didn’t? I don’t really subscribe to the conspiracy theories some on here write about (partly because dwelling on them too much would destroy my fragile mental state even more than lockdown already has), though I do believe in the cock up followed by a conspiracy to cover the cock up theory. But I do wonder about this leaflet.

83778 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Aremen, 2, #323 of 1156 🔗

I havent seen a leaflet like that but I was aware of things like this circulating. I thought at the time it was to “stir-up” fear about climate change, scary weather, terrorism. But yes the disease bit is quite chilling with hindsight. I am sure that the priming process for the Corona Project was well under way by November last year perhaps just before the floods and so hidden messaging was being dripped out to useful idiots who make these sort of publications. Not that they would know they were being brainwashed.

83822 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Aremen, #324 of 1156 🔗

Not here. I would have framed it if I had.

83825 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Aremen, #325 of 1156 🔗

Not in the North west either

83915 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Aremen, 1, #326 of 1156 🔗

I think that the Local Resilience Forums are country-wide as part of general disaster management. Often such things have become more visible because of flooding as that seems to happen so regularly now. However I am pretty sure all local authorities are required to have disaster plans in place, and quite right too, really.

83758 RickH, 1, #327 of 1156 🔗

Interesting, non-dogmatic analysis of Swedish attitudes from ‘Unherd’ :

https://unherd.com/2020/08/why-sweden-is-different-when-it-comes-to-covid/

83761 Coronamoana, replying to Coronamoana, 24, #328 of 1156 🔗

I can’t wear a face mask so have avoided anywhere that requires one for fear of confrontation and shaming, but feel I’m being edged out of society. However, I went to small local branch of supermarket chain today. Felt uncomfortable but 4/10 people in there not wearing masks and no one batted an eyelid. Ironic moment when person in front of me at checkout tripped over an arrow sign that had lifted off the floor and almost crashed through the cashier’s Perspex screen!

Prior to this, I dined at a local restaurant. No masks, no signs, discreet hand sanitiser at entrance, tables slightly further apart which was an improvement as it gave it a nice spacious feeling when it usually feels quite cramped, and everything looking gleamingly clean. I forgot I was in the middle of a ‘global pandemic’.

It’s been a good day!

84141 ▶▶ annie, replying to Coronamoana, 2, #329 of 1156 🔗

Glad to hear it!
I often wonder how many out-and-out zombies there are, in the real world as opposed to MSM.I keep on meeting quite sane people, particularly those on holiday who are quietly having a good time. They won’t commit to scepticism, they keep their heads down, but if you offered them the old normal they’d take it like a shot.

83762 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #330 of 1156 🔗

https://www.cmaj.ca/content/192/32/E921&nbsp ; “Addressing the indirect effects of COVID-19 on the health of children and young people” Canadian article published today
 The indirect deaths of lockdown??? “Delayed presentations for pediatric illness have been reported. In one 5-day period across 5 hospitals in Italy, 12 cases of delayed access to hospital for illnesses not related to COVID-19 were reported: 6 of the patients required intensive care and 4 died “ A recent survey of 1000 pediatricians across the United States found that, compared with 2 months prior, vaccination rates decreased the week of Apr. 5, 2020, by 50% for measles, mumps and rubella and by 42% for diphtheria and whooping cough. WHO glorious role “On May 22, the World Health Organization reported that routine childhood vaccination services had been suspended or postponed in 68 lower-income countries, affecting more than 80 million children under the age of 1 year, in part owing to a lack of transport of vaccines between countries and health care personnel. This will reduce herd immunity to common infectious diseases of childhood globally.”

83770 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to swedenborg, 1, #331 of 1156 🔗

And Bill Gates and co will leap into that gap with their Microsoft vaccine…

83795 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Lms23, #332 of 1156 🔗

microdot not Microsoft…

83934 ▶▶ Binra, replying to swedenborg, 2, #333 of 1156 🔗

This is directly associated with and correlating to a decrease in infant mortality and SIDS.

83764 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 10, #334 of 1156 🔗

“Global Lockdowns Will Plunge 100 Million into Extreme Poverty”

Well, yeah. That’s hardly a surprise, and was predicted several months ago.

https://www.tfp.org/the-most-monumental-social-engineering-and-ideological-transshipment-effort-in-history/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Apocalyptic+Consequences+of+Mass+Hysteria&utm_campaign=TFP200508m+-+Apocalyptic+Consequences+of+Mass+Hysteria

“The Most Monumental Social Engineering and Ideological Transshipment Effort in History
April 26, 2020 | The American TFP

The Devastating Social Impact of the “Great Shutdown”: the Pandemic of Extreme Poverty
The global result will be an exponential increase in extreme poverty. “I see no historical equivalent to the threat that COVID-19 poses to the most vulnerable populations,” said Robin Guittard, Oxfam campaign manager in France. In a study released on April 8, researchers at King’s College London and the National University of Australia predict that the pandemic could bring extreme poverty to half a billion of the planet’s inhabitants, destroying the progress made in the past three decades.

The Increase in Deaths From Hunger in Poor Countries Will Be Much Greater Than That of COVID-19 Victims
The consequences of this exponential increase in poverty on the health of impoverished populations will be disastrous. Even the World Health Organization, the biggest promoter of strict stay-at-home measures, recognizes that there is a close link between extreme poverty and poor health. In a study published in conjunction with the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, it recognizes the obvious, namely, that “The poor suffer worse health and die younger. They have higher than the average child and maternal mortality, higher levels of disease, and more limited access to health care and social protection.”31

Consequently, more than 3.42 million people died of hunger in the first months of 2020, a daily average of 30,800 deaths. That is, almost five times more than the global number of deaths by COVID-19 on April 5, the day registering the highest number of fatalities (6,367 victims) worldwide so far.”

83766 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Lms23, 1, #335 of 1156 🔗

There’s a lot, lot more to this article I’ve just posted. Worth reading in full.

83777 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #336 of 1156 🔗

Hi all

What is the actual position on schools and social distancing?

What happened since this? https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/25/schools-scrap-social-distancing-double-class-sizes-september-12900679/

Is it purely the unions and the minority of cowardly teachers making life hell for all children?

Thanks

LT

83804 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Lockdown Truth, 2, #337 of 1156 🔗

Well … reading the actual guidance doesn’t give that impression at all. There’s still all the bullshit about ‘bubbles’ and it’s obvious that the attempt is not to specify but to throw the onus back on schools.

Frankly – the demands remain intolerable if you want to get on with education.

83925 ▶▶ GrowYourOwn, replying to Lockdown Truth, 3, #338 of 1156 🔗

My kids going back to school tomorrow, no social distancing being enforced. There will be a one way system round the school, don’t see it be adhered to.

84177 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #339 of 1156 🔗

Today’s pic of de Piffle on a primary school visit suggests some distancing is being imposed. Don’t know what other measures will apply though.

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84374 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #340 of 1156 🔗

Every time I see his stupid face I want to cover it with a piss-soaked muzzle. Here Doris, shut up and breathe in. Breathe in deep.

84375 ▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Farinances, 1, #341 of 1156 🔗

To be fair he’d normally pay for that wouldn’t he

83794 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 5, #342 of 1156 🔗

I propose that we find out which ministers, civil servants, any and all pro-lockdown advocates had a bout with Covid-19. Those that did should have all their properties, their haunts, clubs, favourite cafés, restaurants, libraries, friends home, etc condemned and knocked down in a continuing effort to reach Zero. If you want to play this game with us then you’ll have to make your own contribution to the well being of the community like you are requesting us to do. Start sending them tweets, emails and such to let them know that what they are proposing should apply to them as well because what is good for the goose is also good for the gander. Honk! Honk!

83939 ▶▶ Sylvie, replying to richard riewer, 1, #343 of 1156 🔗

Your logic escapes me. Why should those ministers etc who have NOT been infected (is this what you mean by ‘had a bout’?) with CV19 not be blamed, as much as those who did?

84147 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sylvie, #344 of 1156 🔗

I didn’t say ministers who have not been infected, I specified ministers, civil servants, maids, valets and you name ’em who were either infected or were in close contact with those who were. Besides that, anyone who even tests positive but is asymptomatic is considered a risky person. Right?

83798 wendyk, #345 of 1156 🔗

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTDy3Vdpfn66LdWb-GH8RspN4vvm4gSJu2vYA&usqp=CAU

Scottish teeth, coming to a place near you.

Now let us give praise to the Dear Leader for a caries ridden future.

83800 wendy, replying to wendy, 32, #346 of 1156 🔗

I am just home from meeting a friend for a walk around a lovely walled garden (hand sanitiser at the entrance? WHY?) with a small museum so masks needed. I said I won’t be wearing one. She said she is pleased about masks so I asked her why – she said they show other people you care about them, as you don’t want to infect them! Although she didn’t seem to be worried about infecting me with none existing virus nor was she worried I would infect her even though I live in the plague ridden northern lockdown zone. So it’s only strangers who have it then! Next she said everyone in Japan wears them. Of course I told her they still get proportional flu deaths. I asked when would it be safe to stop wearing them? She said never, we must get used to them so we stop spreading all diseases around!!!

So that’s another person off my list of people it is possible to meet up with without exploding!!

83801 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to wendy, 10, #347 of 1156 🔗

Just how did humanity survive?

83803 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Cicatriz, 13, #348 of 1156 🔗

Well indeed. I think people have lost complete sight of immune systems. If we encounter no illness we will have reduced immunity.

83811 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to wendy, 4, #349 of 1156 🔗

That is because they weren’t taught enough important subjects at school.

83826 ▶▶▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to richard riewer, 5, #350 of 1156 🔗

Wot like lissernin’ and finkin’ and kwestshunin’?

84152 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendy, 2, #351 of 1156 🔗

I’ve just been amazed at how ignorant people are about basic science especially how the human body works.

Jesus wept.

83835 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Cicatriz, 3, #352 of 1156 🔗

Maybe we are witnessing the end as we know it?

83849 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #353 of 1156 🔗

Our numbers here seem to be growing and growing. Perhaps some kind of turning point will come.

84068 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to wendy, 2, #354 of 1156 🔗

I hope so

84128 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendy, 5, #355 of 1156 🔗

We keep hoping.
It may take a long time.
But I am more bloody stubborn and bolshy than all the country’s zombies put together.
And so are you, yeah?

84182 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #356 of 1156 🔗

Undoubtedly – if it’s left up to the sheeple to resist.

83812 ▶▶ RickH, replying to wendy, 20, #357 of 1156 🔗

she said they show other people you care about them”

No – they show that your head is stuck far up your own arse in a futile gesture of virtue-signalling.

83821 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to RickH, 6, #358 of 1156 🔗

Yes. Just so pleased I can let off steam here. I will have to avoid her.

I don’t think this breaks down left or right it seems to be about attitudes to illness, and freedom of choice. We have lost our way big time. I don’t think it will end well.

84049 ▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to wendy, 5, #359 of 1156 🔗

i think it’s people’s attitude to risk and thinking for themselves.
Not directly related to virus but i travel a lot abroad on my own independently usually SE Asia. When I tell others they say “ohh no i couldn’t go on holiday by myself to those places”. I think why the hell not…it’s so much easier now with the internet than back in the 80s clutching my Lonely Planet SE Asia on a shoestring guide. If you want to, go and there’s lots of different tour companies if makes feel safer.
Anyway people live in a safe little cotton wool bubble and don’t want to take any risks outside to extend their comfort zone beyond the end of the street. It’s fair enough i guess and we all have a ‘comfort zone’ just some larger than others! 🙂

83819 ▶▶ Basics, replying to wendy, 6, #360 of 1156 🔗

I wonder if the scare tactics has caused a regression to childhood in some people, playing a giant game of let’s pretend.

83846 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Basics, 5, #361 of 1156 🔗

Well this has made me think perhaps some people want to be protected because they are too afraid to make decisions for themselves. Where is this all going to end.

83963 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to wendy, 2, #362 of 1156 🔗

Foxy Loxy is taking us to Owlsy Wowsy who will know what to do.
Decision is a responsibility in our own heart and mind. I cant live your live for you or override your will. Nor do I want to.
I see fear as the basis for Chicken Licken syndrome – that runs with Foxy Loxy as an infected farmyard – unless our feelings and their underlying beliefs are fully owned and brought to awareness – rather than cast out (literally scripted to flag or assign away from self) so as to mask over a false sense of escape.
But it is unsettling, disturbing and we are frequently triggered to deeper fear that our minds recoil from. Finding the courage of heart to move through fear is a relational willingness. Practice willingness for life at every opportunity – regardless the conditions. Or dramatise and indulge a private sense of grievance and self vindication that seeks to be right rather than facing or owning truths we are not comfortable in accepting.

84131 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Basics, 3, #363 of 1156 🔗

In that case, face nappies aren’t even fetishes, they’re dummies.

83830 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to wendy, 4, #364 of 1156 🔗

what a knob

83838 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to wendy, 12, #365 of 1156 🔗

People who have succumbed to the brainwashing like this are merely repeating machine scripts. They have no capacity for independent thought. To all intents and purposes, they are no longer human. These are extremely dangerous times.

83841 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Richard O, 7, #366 of 1156 🔗

We really are dissidents aren’t we.

84024 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to wendy, 3, #367 of 1156 🔗

Welcome to the club 🙂

83886 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Richard O, 5, #368 of 1156 🔗

Not forgetting the many that have only started “caring about others” since it became a fine-able offence and soon is it’s made optional won’t give two hoots about granny.

83972 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Richard O, 1, #369 of 1156 🔗

Ok – now share your own thoughts please.
i am not saying there is no point in what you said – but that the accuser so often does the thing they accuse – unwitting.

No need to dehumanise others – but address a dehumanising agenda – that operates a pretext by which to demonise, deny or destroy them.

84134 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 2, #370 of 1156 🔗

Zombies are not human.
That’s why my regular greeting is now ‘Stay human!”

83992 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to wendy, 4, #371 of 1156 🔗

I show people I care by giving them a hug.

What is really depressing and worrying is that after many years of ‘education’ the ‘educated’ do not understand that they have an immune system let alone how it might work for them – maybe our teachers are now too thick to teach.

84191 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Major Panic, #372 of 1156 🔗

It isn’t in the national curriculum?

There are no appropriate biology tick-boxes for climbing the league tables?

83805 tides, replying to tides, 11, #373 of 1156 🔗

Currently in Croatia about an hour and a half south of Split. Face masks a rarity and life normal with tourists from all over Europe . Social distancing not going on. Virus what virus? Unfortunately returning to the country formally known as Great Britain tomorrow. Spotted this barman who new the best place for his face mask was on his elbow just in case the authorities turn up.

83818 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to tides, 1, #374 of 1156 🔗

I’m about to book a Sunday to Thursday trip to Pula, based on the Croatia article in LS a few days ago

83850 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Major Panic, 2, #375 of 1156 🔗

Me and the oh have been going to Croatia for the last 9 years, go to rovinj about a 40 minute drive from pula, beautiful old town. Gutted to miss out this year.

83923 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to stefarm, #376 of 1156 🔗

thanks

84027 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Major Panic, 1, #377 of 1156 🔗

You are welcome, great seafood and pizza restaurants in rovinj, cheap too. Local beer is not bad either

84143 ▶▶▶▶ Gtec, replying to stefarm, 1, #378 of 1156 🔗

I can recommend Lopud, about an hour’s ferry ride from Dubrovnik, if you haven’t been there.

It’s still a fishing port, there are no cars on the island, but with some lovely walks around the island, which has been a resort island since the 19th century, and is still unspoilt nonetheless. I’d love to live there if I could!

Don’t know about how things are there at the moment though, but worth a look when this madness is over.

Also went to Pula about a year ago, and really enjoyed it, so hope you have a good time too!

Have made a note Rovinj for future reference – the pictures I’ve just looked at lovely.

83823 ▶▶ Tangelo, replying to tides, #379 of 1156 🔗

Great good to know as I will be going next week. Thanks.

84179 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to tides, 1, #380 of 1156 🔗

I have one word to say to those of you considering going to Croatia:

ZADAR.

One of my favourite places in the world 🙂

84276 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Farinances, #381 of 1156 🔗

We spent last New Years Eve in Zagreb. Brilliant.

84351 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Farinances, #382 of 1156 🔗

Is it near the ocean? Reasonable cost of living index?

84373 ▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to richard riewer, 1, #383 of 1156 🔗

Dalmatian coast. (Up from Dubrovnik but nicer imo and way less busy)
Food and drink is very reasonable. Hotels vary from the very cheap to the very expensive. Booze pretty cheap also.
Very easy access to islands like Hvar (which are expensive and touristy but beautiful).

84404 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Farinances, #384 of 1156 🔗

I was in that area when it when it was still communist, beautiful and totally unspoiled but in a commie lack of investment way.

83806 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #385 of 1156 🔗

This real total death data from Sweden from this excellent18 twitter thread https://twitter.com/HaraldofW/status/1292805370616975363 The amazing finding that there was no pandemic below 65 in Sweden as regards deaths in fact less.And Fauci and project fear compare this to Spanish flu!!

83813 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #387 of 1156 🔗

No routine testing of all school pupils when they go back.

Is this an effort to keep quiet how unreliable the pcr test is?

False positives in a school could quickly decimate confidence in the system.

83815 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basics, 3, #388 of 1156 🔗

Agree.

83880 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, #389 of 1156 🔗

Is this a new announcement? The last I saw they *were* going to test all pupils, which would be worrying since a) CV19 is now being referred to as ‘coronavirus’ which gives them a catchall means to b) use the legislation already enacted which enables them to compulsorily ‘kidnap’ (and treat..vaccinate?) children for 14 days without having to even inform their parents…

84123 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Carrie, #390 of 1156 🔗

It was gov person today on tv news. Cannot cite more.

84201 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, #391 of 1156 🔗

I think it was suggested by “an expert”.
Weekly testing would cost a fortune for no purpose.

83927 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Basics, 1, #392 of 1156 🔗

Since I think they said they would close a school if there were more than two positive cases (I might be wrong on that one), perhaps they’ve worked out that pretty much all schools would be closed indefinitely if they do carry out routine testing!

83942 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to A. Contrarian, #393 of 1156 🔗

Especially with the likelihood of some false positives.

83832 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #394 of 1156 🔗

We must be annoying the right people if they are starting counterinsurgency this quickly:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8611849/Moment-megaphone-wielding-anti-mask-activists-storm-Morrisons-shouting-resist-new-world-order.html

Says to me we’re doing something right.

83856 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #395 of 1156 🔗

”anti mask activists” – where are these pr*cks coming from – we are pro normal, pro reality, and anti – state sponsored irrational fear and hysteria induced insanity

83869 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Major Panic, 11, #396 of 1156 🔗

If anything, I hope we’re all pro-choice activists … you can wear a mask if you want to, but don’t demand we do, or force us by any means.

Went out with my wife, mum-in-law and step-son today. To the embarrassment of Mrs Dee and myself , my mum-in-law and stepson chose to wear masks (we’re in Wales, so not mandatory). Their choice – but I gave them the spiel about how it was completely useless in case they wanted to change their minds.

I think they both did it just out of bloody-mindedness and to be different (as virtually nobody else in the town was wearing masks!). It was all for show, my wife and I agree.

I despair… I ended up just taking the piss out them to their faces every time they came out of a shop all masked up and sweltering.

83920 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mr Dee, 8, #397 of 1156 🔗

yes, I will defend anyone’s right to wear a face nappy or any other form of covering/clothing they chose to as much as I will defend the right of anyone to not wear the same – I really do not care what others chose to cover themselves with. But I will kick back if people try to dictate to me.

83954 ▶▶▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to Major Panic, 3, #398 of 1156 🔗

I have no problem with voluntary mask-wearing (and I mean genuinely voluntary… not “it’s voluntary unless you don’t do it – then it will be mandatory!”

The stupid thing about this is that before it became mandatory, someone wearing a mask in a shop often indicated that they were overly nervous or were actually vulnerable (especially the elderly) and so would prefer other shoppers kept to the 2m distance, whilst not being masked signals you’re probably OK with 1m distance (which is more or less the same as normal “personal space” anyway). Now there’s no way to tell!

Similarly, now everyone is masked, people seem to be far less bothered with social distancing in shops (in my experience) even though this, unlike masks, actually does reduce the spread of the virus by a significant amount. Of course with the low level of infection and high level of immunity in the UK now, there’s really no need for either in most places, but it’s really silly that people are so willingly adopting a “safety” measure that, put bluntly, doesn’t work, and at the same time abandoning a far less uncomfortable and dehumanising measure that actually does work.

83985 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Drawde927, 2, #399 of 1156 🔗

Yep, the false security of face nappies lead to less social distancing, and if face nappies do not prevent spread (as most non political studies suggest) – then face nappies are more likely to spread the virus than being nappy free – simple logic

83981 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Awkward Git, -1, #400 of 1156 🔗

I haven’t clicked this but be aware the capacity to smear via false flags. If you have the stomach, look into Operation Gladio.
Human solidarity is resilient or immune to false control agendas and so it has to be eradicated and replaced with a subverted narrative or denied support by association with hateful acts.

84120 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #401 of 1156 🔗

Think it would be expected a falsge flag or two of similar protests might earn genuine, reasonable dissenters with a reputation.

These bastards are not going to fight clean.

84372 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Awkward Git, #402 of 1156 🔗

I’m not an anti-mask activist

I’M A PRO-NORMALITY ACTIVIST

(Need a tshirt)

83834 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 22, #403 of 1156 🔗

Just had my second response from the D of T to my request for their health and safety policy for wearing face masks on long journeys. We are about to embark on one in a couple of weeks and one of our number may well have to travel muzzled.

Needless to say their reply was virtually the same as the previous response: government policy, dangerous epidemic, list of exemptions etc etc but no mention at all of a health and safety policy.

As these responses are a result of me contacting my MP and the email sent by the D of T does not allow a reply, I have written to him again and asked him to put my request in more simple terms:

  1. Have they done a risk assessment on the health and safety of wearing a face mask for long periods of time yes/no?
  2. If the answer is yes may I then be sent a copy please?
  3. If the answer is no, why not?

These seem to be pretty reasonable questions to ask don’t they especially as I’ve watched the Spanish scientist performing tests on used masks!

83875 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Margaret, 1, #404 of 1156 🔗

Did you quote the government’s downgrading of the virus prior to the lockdown?

83879 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Carrie, 5, #405 of 1156 🔗

No Carrie, but I’ve already done that in one of the many emails that my MP has received from me.

83836 Sikboy, replying to Sikboy, 11, #406 of 1156 🔗

Update from around Chesterfield:

A few unofficial signs springing up on lamp posts proclaiming (paraphrased) “No return to school until it is safe.”

More positively, there seems to be very little need to use a mask exemption card in local businesses and even more pleasingly engaging in conversation with people suggets a simmering level of scepticism creeping in.

83872 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Sikboy, 11, #407 of 1156 🔗

I would be inclined to do a bit of graffiti on those signs. Suggestions: No life until it is safe, Stay in your self imposed prison until it is safe, No freedom until living to 100 guaranteed, Let’s all die alone until it’s safe, Cancel everything until it’s safe etc. etc.

83944 ▶▶▶ Sikboy, replying to Laura Suckling, 3, #408 of 1156 🔗

I totally agree, I particularly loved those halcyon days where no one ever died.

84042 ▶▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to Sikboy, 1, #409 of 1156 🔗

The Preston “don’t kill granny” signs deserve the addition “… let us do the job for you”

On a more serious note, I think the idea of graffiti/signs that take things to the logical extreme (no life until it’s 100% safe, etc.) might be a really good idea – they might be more likely to make people stop and think than a straightforward counter-message like “be free”.

84115 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Laura Suckling, #410 of 1156 🔗

Lovely idea – adding no life is safe. I can never think of how best to doctor!

83883 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Sikboy, 2, #411 of 1156 🔗

My two answers to that sign: When is it safe then? and Sweden.
Good to hear about gradually increasing scepticism up your way, or at least apathy towards the charade. Unfortunately, Southerners are clearly much slower on the uptake.

83948 ▶▶▶ Sikboy, replying to DRW, #412 of 1156 🔗

There may be North/South divide, however my admittedly unscientific observations in Sheffield at the weekend suggests it’s very varied.

84176 ▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Sikboy, 1, #413 of 1156 🔗

Ugh Sheffield. That bastion of Yorkshire wokedom

84188 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sikboy, replying to Farinances, 1, #414 of 1156 🔗

100% with you there!

83892 ▶▶ matt, replying to Sikboy, 3, #415 of 1156 🔗

You should make some stickers saying “thank goodness it is safe then”.

83952 ▶▶▶ Sikboy, replying to matt, 3, #416 of 1156 🔗

Great idea.

On that note, when my neighbour said “when the pandemic is over” I responded with “it is over by definition.” Blank look in response. An otherwise intelligent person, reduced to a gibbering mess.

83837 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 3, #417 of 1156 🔗

Now that LS has its own dating ‘agency’ – maybe the next step is a travel agency, there is a travel agent expert in here already, but I can’t remember who it is…

Maybe there is a market for trips to nappy free sane havens with no imprisonment when you return home….

83840 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Major Panic, 2, #418 of 1156 🔗

Offhands?

83895 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Major Panic, 4, #419 of 1156 🔗

I run a small independent travel consultancy (hate the word agent) and would be happy to help anyone on the site and am exploring the options for ‘Safe Haven’ holidays.

Just as an aside, these are the latest figures from within the market:

Summer 2020: -280%
Winter 20/21: -98%

Cruise -89%
Long Haul -148%

83904 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Sarigan, 1, #420 of 1156 🔗

Jesus.

83945 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to matt, 5, #421 of 1156 🔗

Scary figures. There were several articles today in trade press talking about the mental issues caused and how after constant abuse about refund delays etc, many are just walking away from travel. ABTA are also offering courses on how to transfer your skills to another industry and free counselling. It is looking really bleak and the WTTC predicting up to 3 million jobs in UK tourism and hospitality could be lost:

https://wttc.org/News-Article/Nearly-3million-UK-Travel-Tourism-jobs-could-be-lost-due-to-prolonged-travel-restrictions

83965 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Sarigan, 6, #422 of 1156 🔗

Really sorry. There’s a difference between knowing how destructive this whole thing is and seeing specific evidence of a small part of the damage.

84017 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Sarigan, 3, #423 of 1156 🔗

What matt said!

It’s bad for everyone who has had this done to them by matters completely outside any possible control they could apply. It’s especially unfair that it should happen to people like yourself (and Bart Simpson who posts here, possibly facing redundancy due to the similar fall off in business in her sphere), who saw through the nonsense early on and didn’t support it.

83844 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 28, #424 of 1156 🔗

I was due a hair appointment on the 28th. After my previous experience, when the salon owner was very twitchy about my mask exemption. I had decided to cancel and go elsewhere. Anyway he rang to change the day and I told him I was cancelling because of the continuing coronapanic. He told me that it was now mandatory to wear a mask. I reminded him that I’m medically exempt and he agreed but then repeated that masks are mandatory. I repeated what I’d said, that the Government acknowledges exemptions and he agreed but said maybe it was better that I was cancelling as ‘You’d be sitting there without a mask when another customer had to wear one.’

Take-home message: ‘I don’t give a shit about your respiratory condition. I would rather you make yourself ill by wearing a mask so you don’t upset my posher knicker-wetters’.

Good riddance, even though he’s an ace cutter. It also serves me right for using a ‘high-end’ salon due to inappropriate vanity at my advanced age!

Then the phone went again. The optician. I need an eye test, also on the 28th, so I warned the receptionist about my medical exemption. She has to check with the optician but thinks it will be OK as she will be ‘fully protected’ (against the Black Death I’ll obviously be spreading everywhere!) I am so reassured by this!! (Irony alert 🙂 )

83851 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #425 of 1156 🔗

Good for you. But, there is no such thing as inappropriate vanity!

83990 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #426 of 1156 🔗

Now don’t encourage me! 🙂 🙂

84230 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to arfurmo, 2, #428 of 1156 🔗

Thanks. The optician is called Karen so wish me luck!

83857 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 10, #429 of 1156 🔗

Chinook flying low over Wrexham, about 30 seconds ago. Used to be quite exciting when this rare event happened, but now – quite chilling…

83866 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #430 of 1156 🔗

Have a look here: https://www.adsbexchange.com/
It’s quite interesting. Click the “U” button top right of the tracking map and it filters out everything but military aircraft. I can’t see a Chinook over Wrexham but that could be because it is not transmitting ADSB data. It could be tactical.

83861 Polemon2, replying to Polemon2, 20, #431 of 1156 🔗

Trip to Sainsbury’s today. Just one other clean face inside (except for staff, of course)
Two new things though
1) Card pay only sign at counter: I asked if money was now poisonous, she said -the virus travels on £10 notes, I said strange how that wasn’t a problem last week, she said – but we didn’t have COVD then. (I was lost for words!!) She handed me my payment receipt, I asked if it was safe to handle…………………….
2) No entry restrictions so the sheep have decided that they should stand in line to take turns with the holy water dispenser at the door. Hope that makes them feel good, it won’t do much else after all.

83864 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Polemon2, 14, #432 of 1156 🔗

Coronaphobia is really getting worse. It’s just insane.

83874 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Two-Six, 4, #433 of 1156 🔗

Are all the tills card only? That’s an evil dystopia when you’re talking about buying basic essentials.

83989 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to kf99, 5, #434 of 1156 🔗

Keep buying loads of things that cost under £1, on separate occasions. It will cost them a fortune in card fees.

83867 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Polemon2, 8, #435 of 1156 🔗

Travels only on ten pound notes, or other notes as well?!

83881 ▶▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Carrie, 3, #436 of 1156 🔗

I couldn’t bear to ask!

84012 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Carrie, 9, #437 of 1156 🔗

The note has to be big enough – the virus is about the size of a small hamster, we know this, because it can’t pass through cloth or tissue paper masks.

83888 ▶▶ anon, replying to Polemon2, 1, #438 of 1156 🔗

tracked with card payment

84212 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to anon, #439 of 1156 🔗

Thye’ve been doing that for years!

83982 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Polemon2, 6, #440 of 1156 🔗

I saw a craft-shop today with a sign outside it saying Cash Only. Made my day…

84364 ▶▶▶ Emma Townsend, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #441 of 1156 🔗

Lincolnshire Coast calling…

The chippies and ice cream parlours that opened up have been strictly cash only for eight weeks to my knowledge throughout Cleethorpes, Mablethorpe and Skegness. All open now, all taking any kind of payment with a smile.

Very few masks in evidence, except Asda, where we have been doing the necessary shop. The queues stopped about five or six weeks ago. There are no longer any stickers for a one way system (which everybody ignored anyway as the three sets of aisles are stepped and an odd number). I saw only two staff with masks last Saturday in the massive superstore. A number of customers without masks (me included). No hassle. Very welcoming and helpful.

Went to my Sainsbury’s Local the other night at about 9.30 for bread and milk. One staff member at the till, four adult customers, two kids around 10 or 13. No queue, no masks.

Have faith, folk.

84159 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Polemon2, 3, #442 of 1156 🔗

My favourite Chinese greasy spoon is still cash only.

83873 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 13, #443 of 1156 🔗

From the Swedish ER doctor about T cells immunity from the study Karolinska Stockholm https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/08/08/what-is-the-best-way-to-measure-rates-of-covid-immunity/&nbsp ; “Now we can look at the exposed family members. Remember, this was a group of people that had not shown signs of symptomatic disease. In this group, 60% had antibodies (17/28), while 93% had T-cells! (26/28). This is pretty astonishing, and it shows two things. Firstly, if you lived with someone who had covid then you were most likely also infected. This is true even if you didn’t have symptoms, and even though you didn’t have symptoms, you most likely developed an adaptive immune response. Secondly, that immune response involved T-cells more often than antibodies.

83878 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to swedenborg, 10, #444 of 1156 🔗

so healthy people who have healthy immune systems deal with this latest pathogen in a fuss free healthy way…

83882 Marie R, 9, #445 of 1156 🔗

https://twitter.com/befree200/status/1290256058850537480?s=20

Anti lockdown march centenary square, Birmingham August 15th, this Saturday, 12 noon

83884 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 4, #446 of 1156 🔗

There is a very interesting YouTube video called ‘If Bill Gates Was President…’ . I didn’t realise he answered the question in a TV interview recently. Well worth listening to his answers as he is very much the power behind the scenes. If you believe life is going to go back to the ‘old normal’ you will be disappointed, the ‘new normal’ is being rolled out at full speed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX_jYEI6Z3Q

83946 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Darryl, 3, #447 of 1156 🔗

Very revealing interview.

The bit about when the WHO declared swine flu an international emergency caused contracts to be triggered whereby governments were obliged to buy huge stocks of vaccines.

Real nest of vipers!

Well worth a listen – try double speed if you’re pushed for time!

84013 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #448 of 1156 🔗

Once you see the bigger picture of what is going on things sadly start to make more sense. The petty diktats are just a distraction but gain all the attention.

83885 Will, replying to Will, 6, #449 of 1156 🔗

The chief WHO clown praising the northern lockdowns confirms the measures are, beyond any doubt, completely nonsensical and pointless.

83891 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Will, 1, #450 of 1156 🔗

where is that?

84001 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #451 of 1156 🔗

WHO chief praises northern England lockdown as global Covid-19 cases edge towards 20 million

The Telegraph

84008 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Lockdown Truth, #452 of 1156 🔗

Report in the Telegraph.

84135 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Will, #453 of 1156 🔗

Thanks

83889 matt, replying to matt, 34, #454 of 1156 🔗

Fairly depressing experience yesterday. We all went to Broadway, near Evesham for an afternoon out. Very beautiful little Cotswold town and in the past has always been a very nice day out, poking around the shops, taking the kids to the very good play park, that sort of thing.

Anyway, almost every single shop had a sign outside it (presumably generated by the council) saying among other things “face masks compulsory”. The worst offender was the Broadway Deli, which had a home-made sign outside saying “no mask, no service”.

So anyway, I’ve drafted this email to send them. As soon as I can find an actual email address (as opposed to a contact form on the website) I’ll be sending it.

Dear sir/madam,
As a regular visitor to the area, I have frequently in the past enjoyed visiting your shop, either to use the cafe, or to buy produce from the deli, or both. On a visit to Broadway on Sunday 9th August, however, I did not do so and will not be shopping with you again unless and until you review your discriminatory signage at the door.
As you are clearly aware, the government has mandated the wearing of ‘face coverings’ in shops and other enclosed spaces as of 24th July 2020. The gov.uk explanation of the relevant legislation can be found here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own
I would draw your attention to the fact that you as a business have no obligation in the law to advertise or to enforce this mandate. I would further draw your attention to the list of exemptions, summarized on the page linked above. In short, a large number of people, myself included, are exempt from the requirement to wear a ‘face covering’ for reasons including a physical impairment or disability. There is no requirement on the individual to provide evidence of this exemption and no expectation that any business should challenge an exempt individual or request or require any evidence or explanation of their exemption. Indeed, the government advice is not to challenge people who are not wearing a face covering.
The reason for this advice is that making such a challenge may make the business and/or its employees corporately or personally liable for an offence payable on summary conviction to pay a fine of up to £5,000 (section 12 (aiding contraventions) of the Equality Act 2010) and/or for an Act of Disability Discrimination and be ordered to pay to any individual who suffers injury to feelings compensation of between £900 to £9,000 (section 119 (remedies) of the Equality Act 2010 ( https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/contents ). This legislation is still in force and unaffected by the face coverings mandate or by any other measures currently in force under the 1984 Public Health Act.
I would suggest that your sign at the entry to your shop “no mask, no service” with no indication that exemptions apply, represents clear discrimination against those who, for reasons of disability, are unable to wear a ‘face covering’. No one should feel that they will be refused service as a result of their disability (whether obvious or hidden) or to explain their condition to anybody other than a police office, a police community support officer or a person designated by the local authority or by the Secretary of State for the purpose of enforcement.
I note that many of the premises on Broadway High Street have signs, presumably distributed by the local authority, stipulating that face coverings are compulsory. I will also be writing to some of these other premises and to the council highlighting that these too are discriminatory. Your own “no mask, no service” notice, however, is especially egregious. I strongly recommend you reconsider your policy and remove this sign, or amend it to make it clear that you acknowledge that some are unable to wear a mask and that the Broadway Deli has no intention of discriminating against them.

I look forward to an acknowledgment of this email and to the details of the steps you will be taking to correct this problem.

Best regards,
XXXX

On the plus side, the place where we had lunch had absolutely no indication at all that they’d ever even heard of coronavirus. Very nice.

83903 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to matt, 4, #455 of 1156 🔗

Great letter!

83907 ▶▶ NickR, replying to matt, 4, #456 of 1156 🔗

If you go to Broadway again pop up the road to The Snowshill Arms, they’re very cool, very sensible & normal.

83931 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to NickR, 2, #457 of 1156 🔗

Didn’t go there this time, but have before. Very nice pub.

84335 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to NickR, 1, #458 of 1156 🔗

I visited Broadway way back in 1976. Lovely.

83908 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to matt, 4, #459 of 1156 🔗

‘No mask no service” – by extension that must mean “No mask, no food – you die”. Is this not a denial of human rights? The right to life?

The government have introduced a law that instigates a denial of human rights. Well, that’s my view m’lud.

83998 ▶▶ Mark, replying to matt, 5, #460 of 1156 🔗

Impressive letter. Hope you find an email address for them.

Worth printing it and sending it by post if you can’t?

84002 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to matt, 3, #461 of 1156 🔗

Bravo, that man.

84015 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to matt, 4, #462 of 1156 🔗

info@broadwaydeli.co.uk

If you fail to get a positive response, let us know on here and we can give them a few 1-star reviews on Google maps.

84018 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #463 of 1156 🔗

Thank you! Mail now sent.

84116 ▶▶ annie, replying to matt, 3, #464 of 1156 🔗

Great letter.
Broadway us pretty, but also also prissy i.m.o.
Not altogether surprised by their nastiness.
Hope their beastly shops remain empty.

84163 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to matt, 2, #465 of 1156 🔗

Excellent letter. Hope you do send it, shops and eateries especially those who say “no mask, no service” should be challenged robustly.

83890 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 6, #466 of 1156 🔗

Hi all

I have to say that I’m getting extremely worked up about the impending reopening of schools.

I feel like it’s make or break time.

Can anyone think of a legal case where we just point at Sweden and say “Duh?” “Can we go back to normal now please?”

How can the Government (despite what they’re currently saying) / Schools / teachers / unions / idiotic parents between them ignore FACTS.

Has anyone here got ANY ideas no matter how simple about how to to make this stop?

Thanks

83899 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lockdown Truth, 3, #467 of 1156 🔗

Occams razor but I’m afraid it would involve completely removing the Cabinet. Does anyone know a reliable hitman?

83906 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #468 of 1156 🔗

I think there are unlimited legal cases through out this nonsense, just takes money to crack with them.

JRs are great but slow, maybe injunctions (if this is possible) are quicker.

Apparently the schools chose to close due to government guidelines, maybe each school needs to be legally challenged individually.

83929 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Major Panic, 2, #469 of 1156 🔗

Next week Swedish schools re-open for the autumn term. If there is no spike in infections (unlikely as even overall case numbers over here are dropping fast now) then that will make an even stronger case for Uk schools to re-open without restrictions..

83962 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Carrie, 5, #470 of 1156 🔗

Unfortunately the noise here refuses to recognise reality, Sweden has well and truly proven their case to any impartial observer

84407 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Major Panic, 1, #471 of 1156 🔗

Yes. I keep rem8ning myself of the absurd ruling in Simon Dolan’s case the schools remained open but chose to close – you could have sent your children anyway.

84408 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, #472 of 1156 🔗

Several schools around here remained open for children of key workers and vulnerable kids. Don’t know if it was possible to send yours if not in those categories

83917 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Lockdown Truth, 2, #473 of 1156 🔗

I’m very worried about it too. They’re building it up to be this enormous thing so it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. As soon as a couple of kids get ill or test positive, there will be mass panic and the whole country will be sent into lockdown again to prioritise the schools. Christmas will of course be cancelled. This will probably go on all winter. I’m dreading September!

83943 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to A. Contrarian, #474 of 1156 🔗

I don’t think it’ll be another national lockdown straight away. Local “restrictions” seem to be the trend and they’ve already hinted at closing pubs before schools. But it could be easily spread into a de facto national lockdown as with the foot-and-mouth culling. Cancelling Christmas must be a step too far though.

83966 ▶▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to DRW, 2, #475 of 1156 🔗

Just waiting for the foot and mouth style culling you can see Ferguson et al advocating it

84360 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to DRW, #476 of 1156 🔗

Cancelling New Year for Brexit is a possibility though, certainly in Kent. With exceptions, to let the food lorries through.

83930 ▶▶ James H, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #477 of 1156 🔗

No idea whatsoever, I’m afraid; the only thing to do is let this craziness burn itself out. The hard way. It will lead to a further calamitous drop in GDP, the making permanent of the reduced level of “service” from the NHS (and, my God, weren’t they idiots, and everyone who clapped too, to go along with the nonsense in the first place?) massive loss of jobs and the introduction of totalitarian behaviour controls. When the pain of _that_ hits the average Conservative voter then things might change.

84059 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to James H, -2, #478 of 1156 🔗

Yep. Those Conservative voters have a lot to answer for – only a dim duggie would have failed to see what a bunch of tossers they were supporting. Conservative Party members who backed the narcissistic slob have even more to answer for.

Penance required from both. Blame where blame is due.

84086 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to RickH, 3, #479 of 1156 🔗

Haven’t seen much pushback from Labour…

83932 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Lockdown Truth, 2, #480 of 1156 🔗

What use are the facts if they’re not believed? Several others have said about how the age of reason is over.

84266 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #481 of 1156 🔗

Simple. Don’t pay them. Don’t pay the civil servants if they don’t go to work. Don’t pay the teachers if they don’t teach. Don’t pay the GP’s if they don’t practice. Don’t pay the social workers if they don’t work.
When they say it’s not safe to go back, what they mean is it’s not worth the risk if you get paid regardless.

83893 Aremen, replying to Aremen, 9, #482 of 1156 🔗

Agh! Beam me up Scotty! I popped my head round the door of my village shop a few minutes ago. I knew I’d be wasting my time, but my conscience told me I should at least try. The proprietor told me weeks ago that she was dreading having to wear a mask as, due to a previous experience (which I won’t detail), she is afraid of them. She now wears a mask all the time she is in the shop. I told her the law exempts those working in shops. Her reply (not verbatim) “I know. But I don’t want to infect anyone and I don’t want word to get around that an infection came from my shop”. And yet she wasn’t wearing a mask at the height of all this nonsense! She has a sign by the entrance saying “masks must be worn…”. I asked her to add “unless you are exempt”, but she refused, saying no need as “everyone knows there are exemptions and no shops have signs which talk about exemptions” (again, not verbatim). I said that she was wrong, as many of the big shops now do have such signs (I read that here) and some vulnerable people have become frightened by thinking that they have to wear masks to go shopping. But she’d tuned me out by now, so I told her I’d said all I had to say and moved away from her doorway.

83914 ▶▶ James H, replying to Aremen, 5, #483 of 1156 🔗

Possibly only the closing-down of her business due to shrinking customer-base will bring her to her senses. Tragically, that is going to be as true for all businesses operating in the real world. (Unless, of course, they get sufficient income from the sheeple.)

83935 ▶▶▶ Aremen, replying to James H, 6, #484 of 1156 🔗

James: probably her business won’t close down. Our village is full of elderly people who are fully signed up to the terror campaign, as I have discovered by trying to suggest to a few of my fellow villagers that they are comparatively safe compared to many other risks.

83988 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Aremen, 2, #485 of 1156 🔗

Good try. Sadly limited results, but you are far from alone in that. We must rely on persistence and time, and count on truth winning out.

84004 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Aremen, 2, #486 of 1156 🔗

tell her you’ll return when treated as a human being – her loss!

83894 Cheezilla, #487 of 1156 🔗

I woke up with an earworm this morning. Haven’t heard it since I was at Sunday School over 50 years ago!

Anyway, the more it wormed in my ear, the more I realised how appropriate to us the words are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My9rYr8xzng

All hail to Toby’s band!

83897 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 8, #488 of 1156 🔗

Apparently the incompetent halfwits that are fucking up our once great country are sending the Royal Air Force to ‘buzz” the people who are trying to reach the UK in dinghies from semi-civilised and safe France, and the Royal Navy is going to wave the migrants away at the half way point, with white hankies I guess.

Any sensible observer will realise that this is designed to look good for the morons in the UK that watch the news and think its news (and wet their beds), but in the real world the people smugglers instructions will be, ‘your route to the UK will come in the form of a big Royal Navy warship, when you see one of these, stab tour inflatable buoyancy and wait for your taxi’.

The only way to sort the problem is to return these good people back to safe France, from whence they came. I am not against these good people, and if I were one of them I would like to think I’d make it to the UK, and I suspect most of them would do more, with their drive, for the economy than the rubbish we seem to be breeding.

Apologies that this is not about the corona-bollocks but that’s all bollocks and not reality!

83922 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Major Panic, 2, #489 of 1156 🔗

Question for the lefties who’re always saying what a terrible country Britain is and how everywhere in continental Europe is so much better. If that’s the case, why are these people in boats so desperate to get here? (Special note to lefty lockdown sceptics, you’re OK!)

83936 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Edward, 3, #490 of 1156 🔗

Because they have heard they will be given money to live on, they will be given somewhere to live, they will have free health care, they will have free education for their children.
The reality is somewhat different but that’s what they believe.

83941 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to bluemoon, 4, #491 of 1156 🔗

Yes, the free education will be shite and the free health care – well that’s shut till further notice….

83968 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Major Panic, 2, #492 of 1156 🔗

You seriously believe that if one of them claims to feel ill in his 4 star hotelhe’ll get the same level of service as the rest of us?

83970 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Major Panic, 1, #493 of 1156 🔗

You seriously believe that if one of them claims to feel ill in his 4 star hote lhe’ll get the same level of service as the rest of us?

83924 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Major Panic, 3, #494 of 1156 🔗

From what I understand, they will be sending everyone back who has arrived since Jan this year and the Royal Airforce are effectively tracking and tracing to justify the sending back to the ‘safe haven’ i.e. France. We will be seeing a lot more in the news about this I think

84354 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sarigan, #495 of 1156 🔗

I presume your source is Mason Mills? What about all those who arrived before that but who have no real asylum claim or right to be here?

83976 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Major Panic, 5, #496 of 1156 🔗

More theatre. Designed so that lefty idiots will say “oh my goodness, see what shocking right-wingers this nasty government is made up of”. and then any conservative idiots still supporting the “Conservative” Party will say “oh I suppose they must be a bit conservative and patriotic after all, then”.

Dog whistle performance, following which real policy will probably remain as you say: the Royal Navy pretending economic migrants are “refugees”, and keep up with the flood of immigration that has been pretty much continuous since Blair opened the floodgates – language that the left hates, because it accurately describes what happened. The cold, hard facts:

Before Blair and 1997, the highest year’s immigration was around 330k, and most years it hovered around that level (a rise on pre-1990s when it was generally around 200k). During the early Blair regime 1997-2002 it was intentionally allowed to rise to over half a million, and there has never been a year since then in which it dropped below that number. In 2019 it was 677,000. This continued rise has been under “Conservative” (actually Blairite) governments.

And anyone who tells you “Britain is a nation of immigrants” is either a liar or has fallen for BBC and elite lying propaganda every bit as systematically mendacious as the coronapanic scaremongering. The reality is that this level of immigration is completely unprecedented for at least a thousand years. It’s a gamble with the future of the nation. So much for the “precautionary principle”.

Net Migration Statistics
The History of Immigration to the UK
It’s not “racist” to oppose gambling with the future and very existence of your nation like this. It’s basic common sense. And politically, the Blairites might have been evil but they weren’t lacking in political cunning when they promoted mass immigration specifically as a weapon against conservatives. So why have subsequent “Conservative” party governments continued their policy? The answer should be pretty clear.

84036 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, -5, #497 of 1156 🔗

I see that mask wearers don’t have a monopoly on second-hand-me-down bollocks 🙂

84048 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 2, #498 of 1156 🔗

Sophisticated reasoning skills there, Rick.

84206 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Major Panic, 2, #499 of 1156 🔗

Our judges won’t send them back to France. The only way is the Australian method: an overseas processing centre where you take your time – years – over processing the illegal migrants’ fraudulent claims. St.Helena or somewhere else suitably distant would do.

84365 ▶▶▶ Emma Townsend, replying to OKUK, #500 of 1156 🔗

Aye, and then we can process the legal migrants quicker maybe? Offer better, quicker asylum to refugees? I’d rather that than the folk who begin their lives here with a criminal act.

83898 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 2, #501 of 1156 🔗

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lD95OLBx_Rc

Politico (UK) : Simon Dolan’s lockdown challenge gets a boost from the judge

83919 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Lms23, 2, #502 of 1156 🔗

Hmmm, not sure I have much faith in that judge (Hickinbottom) – he threw out Robin Tilbrook’s Brexit case and would not let him even argue it in court. Like all judges appointed since the Blair years he is fully signed up to ‘diversity’ and the EU. If he is allowing this case, it may well only be asa means to stop the Johnson government and thereby stop Brexit happening..
I’d be interested to hear what Francis Hoar thinks regarding the choice of judge to hear this appeal..

83928 ▶▶ Aremen, replying to Lms23, 14, #503 of 1156 🔗

Great comment under the video:
“My stepson in Australia wears a mask and ridicules those who don’t. He goes out with a silly piece of cloth on his face, in the folorn [sic] hope that it’ll protect him from something that has a fraction of a percentage point chance of killing him. ….And takes it off at breaktime, so he can enjoy a cigarette that has a 33% chance of killing him. Dumb, or what?”

83933 mrjoeaverage, replying to mrjoeaverage, 2, #504 of 1156 🔗

Proof of Government involvement trying to alter our mindset.

Compare and contrast two Daily Mail stories, both published around the same time.

One has obviously been infiltrated, the other has not. Just click top comments.

News story 1:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8611849/Moment-megaphone-wielding-anti-mask-activists-storm-Morrisons-shouting-resist-new-world-order.html

News story 2:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8612007/UK-announces-coronavirus-deaths.html

83951 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mrjoeaverage, #505 of 1156 🔗

Some resistance, at last.

Didn’t go to the mail’s page, takes forever to scroll through.

83977 ▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #506 of 1156 🔗

The Mail’s website is so loaded down with ads and clickbait links that actually finding the article text can be a struggle! I have Adblock Plus on my browser (Firefox) but the Mail won’t let me access their site without turning it off.

Also, the comments about care homes on story 2 (death announcements) sounds like the poster is stuck in a mid-March time warp! Given that the poster’s name is “ChampagneSocialist – GeorgeSorosPaidMe” they may just be trolling.

84166 ▶▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Drawde927, #507 of 1156 🔗

Try Brave (brave.com) if you want an ad-free visit to the Daily Fail. It also offers better tracking, etc. protection than FF and by sidestepping all the crud it’s pretty fast.

83940 Moomin, replying to Moomin, #508 of 1156 🔗

Is this the future? What has become of this nation?:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-53721267

83955 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Moomin, 1, #509 of 1156 🔗

the BBC is not the future

83994 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Major Panic, 6, #510 of 1156 🔗

I cancelled my TV License this month. Braced for a visit from the enforcers, but the only way to fight back is to kick them where it hurts (in their revenue). Didn’t watch it much anyway, so no great loss.

Good advice & campaign going here:
https://www.defundbbc.uk/

84035 ▶▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to zacaway, 1, #511 of 1156 🔗

Too late now but I REALLY regret renewing my license this year. With hindsight I’d rather have given the money to the above campaign!

84046 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Drawde927, 1, #512 of 1156 🔗

You can cancel it anytime and get a refund on what you have outstanding can’t you?

84083 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to JohnB, 1, #513 of 1156 🔗

In theory, yes. In practice, good luck with that. I pay by DD monthly so just cancelled the DD (per their instructions) and asked them to cancel my license (also per their instructions). They wrote back to say I should reinstate the DD then they’ll process my request (to cancel the license…). Got to ignore that for now and see what happens next.

Also in theory, you can go to this site and declare that you don’t need a licence (because you don’t watch live TV or use iPlayer). But that just tells me I haven’t cancelled my license, so go back to Step 1.

84045 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to zacaway, 3, #514 of 1156 🔗

If they come knocking make sure to tell them you are self isolating, they’ll have to leave then.

84084 ▶▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to JohnB, #515 of 1156 🔗

Excellent tip. Could also use that for cold-callers too!!

84217 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Major Panic, #516 of 1156 🔗

Anybody remember a long-running series called Tomorrow’s World?
All its predictions turned out to be hilariously wrong.

83969 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Moomin, 1, #517 of 1156 🔗

And if the snitch had said nothing … precisely nothing would have happened.

84006 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Moomin, 2, #518 of 1156 🔗

What power this crap gives to morons like the one who got tested and then dobbed-in the pubs! He must feel so important now

A lot more medical workers must break the silence so that the lie of ‘positive’ tests v actual hospital admissions can be exposed. Any political opposition would also be nice but I’m not holding my breath. So it’s up to us. Non-compliance is the only hope as Chicot says, below.

84009 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Moomin, 2, #519 of 1156 🔗

Mr Brotherton said he found out about the man’s diagnosis “from another customer who knew him”.

What bollocks, a complete wind up and more brainwashing.

84011 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to stefarm, 2, #520 of 1156 🔗

I agree, ‘sounds like a BBC special.

84033 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #521 of 1156 🔗

I suppose that will be the next thing, rival business owners ringing up pubs and restaurants saying my mate has tested positive and he was in your pub last night.

It’s going to be a long winter.

84060 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to stefarm, 1, #522 of 1156 🔗

Yes, it’s a kind of ‘New Abnormal’ version of putting bad reviews of rival establishments on TripAdvisor!

84183 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to stefarm, #523 of 1156 🔗

You keep on saying that Steven but it might be fun

84406 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bella, #524 of 1156 🔗

I hope so Bella 😏

83949 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 42, #525 of 1156 🔗

Have to admit found the dating profiles quite funny but surely it is dating in the “new normal” that is ripe for mockery:-

“Hi I’m Karen. Looking for a guy with normal temperature and up to date vaccine history, no over 50’s. Must like brief trips to the shops and Netflix. Looking for no physical contact but please be aware I may take longer to answer the phone than usual because of the one-way system in my house. I’m currently home-working making designer hand-sanitiser dispensers. Do you want to join me in my bubble? Swedes need not apply.”

Something like that anyway.

83953 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Achilles, 2, #526 of 1156 🔗

Brilliant, I think they should leave the dating forum to all comers, we can give as good as we get!

84022 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Achilles, 18, #527 of 1156 🔗

“Hi I’m Tamsin. I’m a party-loving politics student who adores drinking, dancing and attending mostly peaceful demonstrations. Looking for a guy who hates capitalism, is environmentally aware and likes skiing. He also needs to love his (and other peoples) grannies. Not too sure about this covid thingy as I don’t really do detail but I guess we can’t take any chances so no mask, no entry if you know what I mean 😉

Je suis Charlie

84030 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Achilles, 1, #528 of 1156 🔗

well I don’t mind capitalism but I’ll say anything for a jump

84052 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Achilles, 6, #529 of 1156 🔗

No mask, no entry!! Crying with laughter.

84070 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sarigan, 3, #530 of 1156 🔗

Not sure it would be too comfortable worn there .

84175 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Nick Rose, #531 of 1156 🔗

I think AIDS pre-empred that

84218 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #532 of 1156 🔗

For either party!

83960 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 24, #533 of 1156 🔗

I’ve finished my open letter to Boris Johnson et al.

Link is here if I’ve done it correctly (if you cannot open it let me know):

https://1drv.ms/w/s!Agv7JEO8MngCiSo3uMxwDHuQy3fe?e=lA8myS

I know before anyone says:

  • it’s too long
  • it won’t get past level 1 or 2 of the minions, spads or whatever the common purpose lot are called that run interference to authority are called
  • it doesn’t flow very well
  • I’m pissing in the wind
  • I’ve wasted my time

BUT:

it may mean I can sleep better at night as I’ve said most of what I wanted to say without putting it on a big stick and beating Boris and others around the head with it until they are bloody pulp which is what I really want to do.

I’ve realised that million people peaceful marches don’t work – Countryside Alliance, Anti Gulf War, Berlin a few day ago.

Money and taking power away from them and a million people rioting does get their notice but I’m not ready for open violence yet this is the best I can do at the moment.

Feel free to plagiarise whatever bits you like and use them to your best advantage.

83986 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #534 of 1156 🔗

Peaceful marches don’t work but non-compliance on a mass scale probably would. Things like mask-wearing and social distancing require the compliance of the population as policing these things is more or less impossible.

83997 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Chicot, 12, #535 of 1156 🔗

Been out and about yesterday and today and noticed more people on trains in London not bothering with face nappies (of half-arsing it). Must be fewer people willing to believe the Government has their best interests at heart when they tell them they must cover their face in 35C heat.

84007 ▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #536 of 1156 🔗

I’ve just read your letter – I think it’s fantastic! I’m sorry your wife is struggling 🙁

84016 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Kath Andrews, 2, #537 of 1156 🔗

Good to know the link works, not into all this remote save to server stuff.

84041 ▶▶ Che Strazio, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #538 of 1156 🔗

I hope your letter is published on a newspaper and allowed to be read for free.
I’m so sorry to hear about your wife and your business.

84168 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #539 of 1156 🔗

I’m ready for open rebellion. Trouble is I’m still battle scarred from Vietnam and thus a little old

84169 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #540 of 1156 🔗

The link did work for me and great letter.

83973 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 28, #541 of 1156 🔗

Thrown out of my first shop today. In fact it was an English Heritage gift shop at the exit of a tourist attraction. The man behind the till shouted across the shop to ask if I had a face covering. I said no. He said “Well please leave the shop, then”. My daughter was mortified. Being in the passive half of the “four quadrants of conformism”, I obliged him and left. But my family membership will now definitely be allowed to lapse, and we won’t be re-joining, ever.

83979 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Barney McGrew, 12, #542 of 1156 🔗

I have a feeling we still have an English Heritage membership. I’ll check and if so it’s tearing up the card and stopping the DD time, along with a letter to them explaining why.

Do you mind saying which venue it was?

84000 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #543 of 1156 🔗

the sort of people who work their way into English Heritage type jobs are probably the worst type of peeps for English Heritage (heritage is probably too diverse to be pigeon holed as English)

84005 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #544 of 1156 🔗

He perhaps thought he was doing”his bit” – putting you to rights. Saving the nation. And just having a satisfying frisson of power in his otherwise hum-drum day.

84065 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #545 of 1156 🔗

Only way to teach the lesson really. Vote with feet and wallet.

84170 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #546 of 1156 🔗

Very sorry to hear that as I volunteer for them. I would suggest that you write a letter of complaint – not to the general manager of the property but to head office.

And yes, boycott and say why too.

83974 mhcp, 3, #547 of 1156 🔗

Surely we are missing a trick in not having Mask Credits. If you shop only once a week and for less than an hour you can use your credit to shop mask free. All those people out much more are endangering more people.

“I saved your life by staying at home” (as someone commented earlier)

It’s bollocks of course, but under Covidlogic makes sense

83975 Dave #KBF, 1, #548 of 1156 🔗

Dr Gideon Micro Penis on the money again:

https://youtu.be/dhzRsyk1Sa4

We need people like this to protect us from ourselves.

83978 LuluJo, replying to LuluJo, 14, #549 of 1156 🔗

I had a small mask triumph today – due to see dentist tomorrow for usual 6 month check up. Went through the utterly ridiculous questions about Covid, including the one that says ‘are your lips blue?’ Wait let me check in the mirror… anyway, usual ramble about don’t bring any bags (wtf is it with bags?), and you must wear a mask. ‘And what is your policy for those who are exempt from wearing a mask?’ Long pause. ‘Just tell us when you get here and it’ll be fine’, said very quietly, obviously out of earshot of anyone sitting in the waiting room. No dental masking up for me, hooray.

83995 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to LuluJo, 19, #550 of 1156 🔗

Went to the dentist last week. Only difference was that there was no receptionist so you had to ring the bell to get in. It is a private dentist doing full service including the things that others are bed-wetting about (such as drilling). No mask required at any point, no coronovirus forms to fill in, and as a bonus the dentist was a skeptic. He had an additional Darth Vader respirator mask that he used during specific parts of the work.

84014 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to LuluJo, 8, #551 of 1156 🔗

We’re going for our check up tomorrow. Dentist rang today. Just to remind us that we had the appointment. No questions whatsoever about covid!
She is a NHS dentist.

84023 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to LuluJo, 6, #552 of 1156 🔗

I love my dentist. But I know he has been wetting the bed.

There’s no way I’m going anywhere near there for a routine check-up (and paying for it!) if he’s gonna make me feel like a biohazard. No. Emergency treatment only.

84104 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to LuluJo, 4, #553 of 1156 🔗

I would’ve just asked if the dentist was expecting me to have my mask on while my teeth were being checked?

83984 microdave, 4, #554 of 1156 🔗

The Leeds half has the same liberties most of the country enjoys

Which isn’t saying much…

83987 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 15, #555 of 1156 🔗

I wonder how many of the mask wearers who say they are wearing them to protect others and vilify others for not wearing them have ever done any or all of the following :

Used their phone whilst driving
Driven whilst over the alcohol limit
Broken the speed limit

Virtue signalling hypocrites.

83991 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Hubes, 9, #556 of 1156 🔗

…or gone to work when sick. I.e. virtually everyone.

84032 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Achilles, 4, #557 of 1156 🔗

Or not gone to work when not sick?

84021 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Hubes, 10, #558 of 1156 🔗

Bet none of them give blood. Or are on the organ donOr register. Or do anything which actually inconveniences them to benefit others.

Loving Peter Hitchens calling these twats out on his twitter.

84026 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Farinances, 11, #559 of 1156 🔗

Yes indeed! Hitchens, Sherelle Jacobs (Telegraph) and Toby lead the ranks of sceptic heroes.

84071 ▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to Farinances, 7, #560 of 1156 🔗

Nope. Spot on. They majority of mask wearers couldn’t give a toss about anybody else. It should be mandatory that they have to give blood if they wear a mask in public. That would stop the mask wearing.

84061 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Hubes, 6, #561 of 1156 🔗

Dropped their filthy mask on the pavement for a toddler to pick up or a pigeon to choke on….

84161 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Hubes, #562 of 1156 🔗

Driving period. 40,000 premature deaths each year from air pollution

84295 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bella, #563 of 1156 🔗

Very iffy science

84318 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to JohnB, #564 of 1156 🔗

I’d say it was a lot less iffy than the reports about Covid and particularity the efficacy of Face Masks, which was the point of this thread.

https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/air-pollution-kills-40000-a-year-in-the-uk-says-report/

83996 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #565 of 1156 🔗

A fun comment from the BBC story on 6000 contact tracers being let go:

So many idiots in the UK.

‘I’m not letting the government track my contacts, I’m not taking a vaccine, I’m not wearing a mask.

OK, it’s a free country, just die then and do everyone else a favour.

His first line is certainly correct 🙂

84062 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Sam Vimes, #566 of 1156 🔗

Thats a wonderfully pathetic comment you have plucked out there! I’m proud to say I have never seen a BBC comments thread – never. But this person (bbcborg) is clearly on a sticky wicket being about 14 and found to have no previoysly programmed words of argument to regurgitate. I dare say a good old fashion reset of their moral compass (operating system) is required.

84025 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #567 of 1156 🔗

Help requested….

My local Director of Public Health is courting questions from the public for a FAQ Friday. He will answer a selection of them on YouTube.

Now, I think he has been excellent thought this nonsense. When other local authorities have succumbed to the hysteria, volunteering themselves for extra measures, our chap has been calmness personified. On at least a couple of occasions he has quelled small ripples of local mass hysteria which could quite easily have got out of hand. I suspect he is probably a closet sceptic.

However, I’d like to ask him a question. Preferably a loaded one that he is able to answer but isn’t too obvious. Any suggestions?

84044 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 17, #568 of 1156 🔗

What’s the exit strategy, with timescales?

What’s the current level of ICU occupancy and how does this compare with average?

What’s the backlog (measured in months or years) of treatments that has built up over this period? What’s the plan for getting through it?

Are non-covid health issues now being address at a normal or better-than normal rate, and if not why not?

What’s the herd immunity threshold and how close are we to it, here?

Why aren’t we doing what Sweden is doing, given that they’ve done better than us with much less collateral damage?

Would you ever support compulsory vaccinations for covid?

Where’s the RCT evidence that masks work?

What is the justification for local lockdowns if all the “cases” are not of ill people and there’s no sign of any increase in hospital admissions anywhere?

84077 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #569 of 1156 🔗

Since 1993-94, we have had 7 infection seasons of worse mortality. In 70-year-old’s lifetime, the number is probably above 2 dozen.

In this context, what is the justification for mass panic and unprecedented curtailment of basic civil liberties?

84088 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to RickH, 1, #570 of 1156 🔗

Thanks guys. More subtlety required however 😎

84178 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, #571 of 1156 🔗

Gosh, that’s tricky.

Something about a second wave?

Is it safe to go back to school?

84219 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Julian, 3, #572 of 1156 🔗

Was thinking along the lines of; ‘How has Preston ended up with extra measures with only X cases’?

Or (playing dumb)

‘The focus now appears to be on cases. What defines a case’?

84194 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #573 of 1156 🔗

In Leicester & now Aberdeen there were no hospitalisations associated with the latest scare about a hike in cases, there was however a hike in testing. Is there a threat to public health in a situation where no one’s health is threatened?

84029 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 12, #574 of 1156 🔗

This shows the contempt with which Boris Johnson holds the British people:

https://youtu.be/zThMj6xmWY0

He is a disgrace, unworthy of the office of prime minister.

84039 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Moomin, 6, #575 of 1156 🔗

He looks fucked, 1st time I’ve taken any notice

84054 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 2, #576 of 1156 🔗

This was footage from the day where TT and then myself spotted his weird twisting walk. This sky clip happens to have a nurse in front of him on the side where his movements were a struggle. Hidden from our view.

84058 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to stefarm, 7, #577 of 1156 🔗

Boris and his hapless team of ministers who could not run a ‘whelk stool’ are the reason we are in this mess. Their ineptness has created a vacuum and into this all sorts of irrational one sided opinions have come in and lead us into this madhouse.
Boris is reputedly a fan of Churchill but Churchill was not just an orator, he could do project management, he directed teams to deliver, he looked people in the eye and never backed down (Johnny Cash quote), Boris does not even come close and since his illness has been a complete washout.

84043 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Moomin, 8, #578 of 1156 🔗

he says what he’s been told to say or he thinks he should say – he may be ‘intellectual’ but (like most intellectuals) he’s still thick as pig shit in real terms – void of common sense….

84050 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Moomin, 4, #579 of 1156 🔗

Dr Ellie Canon what an absolute horror she is. Pleady little expression telling me there’s no reason to be concerned. Never said this on the board before. But Fuck Off Ellie Canon you are a disgrace to your oath.

84057 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Moomin, 12, #580 of 1156 🔗

The problem I see with Boris is that I don’t think he believes in or stands for anything except perhaps his own advancement. That makes him unpredictable and downright dangerous. I’m certain if being on the remain side in Brexit had offered him the opportunity of becoming PM that’s where he would have been

84366 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Achilles, 1, #581 of 1156 🔗

Me too. And this is why I didn’t vote for him
Also the glaring difference between him and his hero. Wonder what it feels to idolise a man of principle knowing you have none

84378 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Farinances, #582 of 1156 🔗

My respect for Boris Johnson began to wane when I read about his visit to Turkey in 2016 just several months after President Erdogan threw lawyers, teachers, journalists, military personnel and other unmutuals in prison. I’d like to ask PM Johnson what he thinks about the situation in Turkey four years later. Screw him. He’s a wimp.

84073 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Moomin, 4, #583 of 1156 🔗

Of course. But he patently was before the f.ing election – that’s what pisses me off. The nation slit its own wrists.

84096 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 4, #584 of 1156 🔗

You keep saying that but not many buyers. Most can see as plain as anything that a Corbyn or any other plausible government would have been at least as stupid about the coronapanic as Johnson. Probably more so, and with much more enthusiasm, judging from the zealotry the Labour Party and its related organs (Guardian, trade unions, academics) have been putting out.

That’s no defence of Johnson’s failure or mitigation of his leadership responsibility. Just refuting the (silly) idea that it was somehow all his idea.

To put it another way, Johnson “Conservative” voters are no stupider than you were in (presumably) voting for Corbyn’s Labour Party who would have done the same or probably worse.

84241 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark, 1, #585 of 1156 🔗

That was the problem. de Piffle made it perfectly clear throughout the election campaign that he’s a lying buffoon.

Unfortunately, the Labour campaign was pathetic and Corbyn was an unelectable candidate and fair game for the media.

The election was really about Brexit and so was a one-horse race.

Get Brexit Done!
(All Bollox)

84341 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Cheezilla, #586 of 1156 🔗

That is true that it was basically a one issue election about securing the result of the referendum. Indeed if Corbyn had swung Labour convincingly behind Brexit then we’d probably be slagging off Corbyn for locking us down right now. (I’m assuming the Blairite scum couldn’t have done any more damage to Labour than they did anyway.)

84034 RDawg, replying to RDawg, 16, #587 of 1156 🔗

Decided to update my Twitter page. No longer anonymous. Put a smiley photo on there. Why not eh? 😁

https://twitter.com/wewillbefree82

84037 ▶▶ Gillian, replying to RDawg, 2, #588 of 1156 🔗

Nice photo!

84040 ▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to RDawg, 3, #589 of 1156 🔗

Great stuff!

84047 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to RDawg, 4, #590 of 1156 🔗

Love the grief Richard Flame is getting. He has nothing to counter with. Keep up the great work RDawg.

84107 ▶▶▶ RDawg, replying to Sarigan, 2, #591 of 1156 🔗

I just keep throwing evidence back at them until they inevitably go silent. It’s too easy. But also tiring!

84243 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RDawg, 1, #592 of 1156 🔗

Lovely smile!

84051 rob1, replying to rob1, #593 of 1156 🔗

Hello , just joined lockdown sceptics. Where the hell is the dating bit ?

84291 ▶▶ Julian, replying to rob1, #594 of 1156 🔗

At the top?

84055 Lydia, replying to Lydia, 17, #595 of 1156 🔗

Hello all. On holiday in Cornwall in a very large holiday resort. Been here since last week and it was fine the first week. People wearing masks in the shop, I haven’t and neither have my kids although some parents chose to put their young kids in one.
However from Saturday we had to wear one in the bar even though we’d been sat in there for two hours and had three pints later with no one said anything to us yet the manager was out on his travels and went chasing after my husband saying he got to wear a mask! Haven’t bothered with a drink since and won’t be doing. Today and this is the best part, we now have to wear them in the shower block!! It’s really spoiling our holiday. The only place we’re safe is in our tent.

84069 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Lydia, 5, #596 of 1156 🔗

Ask for a rebate.

84076 ▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #597 of 1156 🔗

Think my husband is going to complain tomorrow.

84079 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Lydia, 5, #598 of 1156 🔗

Why go even further than the Govt has mandated (so far)? They don’t deserve custom.

84171 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #599 of 1156 🔗

No they don’t but we’re stuck here until the weekend when we go to Devon for a week. I can’t north to go south again.

84226 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Lydia, 1, #600 of 1156 🔗

I understand how you’re fixed and I’m really sorry to hear these morons have compromised your holiday.

84097 ▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to Lydia, 7, #601 of 1156 🔗

I’d checkout and request a full refund

84074 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Lydia, 10, #602 of 1156 🔗

Sorry to hear that, I think the only way out of this is if we start pushing back telling people to grow up and just think about what they are saying and employ some critical thinking.

84080 ▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to stefarm, 4, #603 of 1156 🔗

I’ve come to the conclusion that people cannot employ any critical thinking.
I think the reason why they’ve introduced such measures is because they’ve filled the site and worried that they’ll have a case! Think I’ve got more of a chance of a seagull pinching my food than contracting Coronavirus!!

84089 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Lydia, 6, #604 of 1156 🔗

Your risk assessment is right.

But censure where censure is due: brainwashing is tremendously powerful, and its the perpetrators that need to be blamed, rather than the victims.

Remember – in the 1930s, a whole nation went along with the propaganda that Jews were a dangerous virus. A lot didn’t start off as evil people – they consented to evil.

84092 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to RickH, #605 of 1156 🔗

And so weren’t culpable?

84109 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to matt, -7, #606 of 1156 🔗

I didn’t say that. But certainly less culpable than those who put an ‘X’ against ‘Conservative’.

84114 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to RickH, 3, #607 of 1156 🔗

So complicity in the Holocaust is better than having voted conservative in 2019?

84137 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 3, #608 of 1156 🔗

In order to make a case for that you’d first have to convince someone that a hypothetical alternative Corbyn or other government would have been significantly better than this one on the coronapanic. So far, I think most people have heard what the Labour Party, trade unions, Guardian etc have been saying and judged that if anything an alternative government would have been no better, and probably worse.

If the decision to vote “Conservative” made no difference to the occurrence of the coronapanic lockdown etc, then those doing so can’t be held to blame for it.

Obviously, there’s a real sense in which anyone who supports it now, or when it was implemented, is responsible, but that’s completely different from your attempt to make it a party political issue.

84151 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Mark, 2, #609 of 1156 🔗

I’m afraid as someone once of the ‘left’ I completely agree with this

84265 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 2, #610 of 1156 🔗

Or those who put an ‘X’ beside “Labour” in 2001, before the Iraq War?

84149 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Lydia, 4, #611 of 1156 🔗

Actually you have more chance of a seagull dropping a jam sandwich on your head

84214 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bella, 2, #612 of 1156 🔗

No chance. Sandwich seized is sandwich scoffed.
Nice to see our local gulls back on their normal diet of battered fush, chips, pasties and ice cream cones.

84314 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to annie, #613 of 1156 🔗

A seagull once dropped a jam sandwich on my conservatory roof. Hence my reference. Maybe it spied a pastie in the distance and had to make a considered decision – bit like locking down vs herd immunity (to stay on topic)

84430 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Wesley, replying to Bella, #614 of 1156 🔗

Who wouldn’t prefer a pasty to a jam sandwich?

84063 Gillian, replying to Gillian, 22, #615 of 1156 🔗

All this fuss about “cases” in Aberdeen with lockdowns and Aberdeen FC footballers being publicly “shamed” by Nickla for having the audacity to visit a pub (a couple of them have apologised to the Nation!). Now it slips out today that there has not been a single hospital admission resulting from the Aberdeen “outbreak”. Slipped into BBC Reporting Scotland this evening as a one-line afterthought (after lots of fear reporting about extreme measures being taken to ensure the “safety” when the schools open on Wednesday). What a load of pish (as we say in Glesca).

84066 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Gillian, 12, #616 of 1156 🔗

Pish indeed, explains why I keep seeing ambulances zooming past my house with sirens blaring. Gotta keep the illusion going.

I’d still like to know how many of the Aberdeen people are showing symptoms.

84081 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to stefarm, 1, #617 of 1156 🔗

That is information we will not be given.

84102 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 3, #618 of 1156 🔗

Genuinely think this is happening. I said to a friend at the start of lockdown we will now see an increase in blue lights to cause wide spread feelings of seriousness. We did. Then the frequency trailed off. Then returned at the so called ending of lock down.

Why was I alert to this concept. Because I recall vividly the G8 summit in Glen Eagles – the bush falls off bike episode. The blue lights and sirens were used then to cause wide spread authoritarian noise. The police also used horses to kettle protestors on rose street to get the pictures needed for the news.

Sounds like conspiracy chetter. But it is what I have witnessed first hand.

84067 RickH, replying to RickH, 15, #619 of 1156 🔗

I’m not particularly a snooker fan – but happen to be just watching the World Snooker Championship.

It strikes me forcibly that any government that isn’t doing everything in its power to change the awful living death of an audience-free experience like this – is the real sickness.

Multiply this over all such activities.

Evil (not a word I much use) stalks the land – and it isn’t a virus.

84072 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 13, #620 of 1156 🔗

Evil indeed. Not a word I use much either, but I can’t see what else it is.

I was musing today on TV sport, as to how long it would take before they have a CGI crowd that fools most people, to go with the canned cheering. I have give up watching sport, for many reasons, the lack of spectators being one of them. I don’t want them to be able to pretend things are normal.

84099 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Julian, #621 of 1156 🔗

Ha me too, i had the same thought CGI crowds and sound effects

84105 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 1, #622 of 1156 🔗

Ole gunnar can’t spell his name has declared the matches are missing an edge of passion without a crowd. I believe this was quite a thing for him to say give his postion within the sponsored world of football.

A lot, all, would agree with him. Imagine the danger of that! All fans of football agreeing with the words on one man.

84100 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Julian, 2, #623 of 1156 🔗

Fake crowd noises on sports is pure psy-op. Don’t watch.

84251 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, #624 of 1156 🔗

Turn the sound off!

84337 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #625 of 1156 🔗

If Nicola Sturgeon has her way we’ll only have silent movies and TV shows to watch. Silent radio? Press conferences. I wish she would silence herself.

84333 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Two-Six, 2, #626 of 1156 🔗

I couldn’t watch it without the sound but have now got rid of sky sports due to all the kneeling

84264 ▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Julian, #627 of 1156 🔗

There’s nearly always an option to watch on a different channel with no fake noise; just the sound of the players, subs, etc. Currently watching on BT Sport Extra 1, with no-crowd-noise, Copenhagen hold the ‘mighty’ Man Ure after everyone expected it would be a cricket score. Hoping the Danes nick one.

84340 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Miss Owl, #628 of 1156 🔗

Watched some hockey games years ago without the announcers play by play. Much better.

84087 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to RickH, 6, #629 of 1156 🔗

Worst part was they had fans in on the first day and even though it wasn’t many it was like seeing the first spring buds after a long cold winter. Then the very next day the rule changed and it was like a huge step backwards. Let’s face it it’s all been backwards steps lately. It’s the hope that kills you.

84172 ▶▶▶ Gossamer, replying to Achilles, 6, #630 of 1156 🔗

I remember when the first stage of lockdown was eased, and there was a photo of happy smiling people on the tube. They looked genuinely pleased to be getting back to normal. I was looking forward to being among them.

Before all the masks.

84180 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Gossamer, 2, #631 of 1156 🔗

Weren’t those mid-May crowded tubes supposed to cause the second wave?

84106 ▶▶ annie, replying to RickH, 3, #632 of 1156 🔗

Yes indeed.Like the devils in That Hideous Strength , they breathe death on the human race and all joy.
Utterly evil.

84112 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to RickH, 5, #633 of 1156 🔗

Absolutely agree. They should already have crowds back in every sport.
Sport without crowds is tedious and unwatchable. Most sports won’t survive if this carries on much longer.
The sad thing is I can’t see any way of them being allowed to return anytime soon and it’s all for no reason at all. It’s so infuriating.

84117 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Hubes, 4, #634 of 1156 🔗

Elite sport with big tv audiences might survive for a while but very little below that, and eventually they will run out of elite athletes because the grass roots clubs will fold

How can the next generation of Premier League footballer be formed if they can’t play matches

84222 ▶▶ davews, replying to RickH, #635 of 1156 🔗

I normally enjoy the snooker, about the only sport I have any interest in. But the current championship is definitely lacking. Some of the frames have turned out to be incredibly boring, nearly an hour of ‘tactical play’ with nobody seeming to be potting anything and the commenters all the time saying ‘great shot’, showing it again several times. Fake crowd cheering is awful and far too repetitive. All the time no smiling faces in the audience to keep your attention, no player’s families in the upper galleries, and even the BBC2/4 commentators not actually in the crucible but watching it on a screen in some studio or other. The odd match, like the super fast O’Sullivan ones, grab my attention but otherwise it is all plain boring.

I wonder how much the have lost refunding all the tickets that became worthless at a stroke from No 10.

84075 Montag Smith, 20, #636 of 1156 🔗

Went to our local Beefeater at tea-time today because they have 50% of all food and non-alcoholic drinks. It was more relaxing than we expected. Most staff weren’t wearing masks and were friendly. There was some health theatre with plastic screens between tables and a largely ignored one-way system. It was good to go out for a meal and not be made to feel like a plague spreading nuisance.

84140 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to DRW, 17, #638 of 1156 🔗

I well remember UK MSM reporters going to Sweden and licking their lips at the prospect of a mass plague, which they were convinced would happen, as Ferguson’s model predicted. It never did happen. The reporters melted away. Now we can see that Sweden has weathered the storm well without destroying their economy, their children’s education or their health service.

84157 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to OKUK, 12, #639 of 1156 🔗

I was so pleased when I first heard of Sweden’s no-lockdown approach. I wasn’t a sceptic yet but still thought “thank goodness for some possible counter-evidence.”

Same with in America with Dakota. After a few factory-linked outbreaks in late April much of their MSM was similarly claiming it was “the next New York”. When that didn’t happen that was all quickly memory-holed.

84184 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to DRW, 8, #640 of 1156 🔗

We’ve had a couple of “Did Sweden get it right after all” articles in reasonably mainstream outlets, but no-one seems to connect it to us, now – it’s as if it’s all in the past. NO – Sweden got it right and continues to do so, and we continue to get it wrong. If anything we are more buried in the coronapanic than we were at the start.

84190 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Julian, 4, #641 of 1156 🔗

If you put a minimum price on freedom, Sweden always had and still has it right.

84273 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #642 of 1156 🔗

Seems like a lot of people don’t value freedom much. Very sad.

84255 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to DRW, 3, #643 of 1156 🔗

I love the conniptions that wrack lockdown fanatics whenever Sweden is mentioned. It’s because of population density that Sweden has a lower death rate than we do, and look at how badly they’ve done compared to their neighbours. They’ve got one of the highest death rates in the world. Their prime minister has apologised for the care home deaths, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Wonderful. They hate Sweden. I love Sweden.

84271 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #644 of 1156 🔗

Their bizarre mental gymnastics is hilarious. They’ll make direct numerical comparisons between every country but Sweden, because “their culture is different”. But not different enough relative to the other Nordics. And on the economy (not that they have any clue about that) it’s fair game!

84187 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to OKUK, 1, #645 of 1156 🔗

Nor their governnent’s finances.

84090 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #646 of 1156 🔗

More on the tattoo and injecting. People said this is banned talk on social media. Heres a little friendly illustration and an explanation how kids are in line for it. Makes you think just how pointless parents are seen to be by these monsters putting all this together.

https://www.sciencealert.com/an-invisible-quantum-dot-tattoo-is-being-suggested-to-id-vaccinated-kids

I believe that article puts me of donating to medical science – the poor bugger whose skin ended up being used to develop this stuff.

84181 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Basics, 4, #647 of 1156 🔗

I saw an interesting letter from a vet who carried out post mortems of sample animals in slaughterhouses some years ago. He said the ink from the ID tattoos percolated through to the brain & mused as to how much ink from human tattoos percolated into human brains. I’ve no idea if he was right or wrong, I just pass it on for what it’s worth.

84637 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to NickR, #648 of 1156 🔗

Yes the ink is constantly absorbed by the body

84091 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #649 of 1156 🔗

Love the fact that this place is attracting trolls now. Clearly some feel threatened by our obscure little band of agitators 😎

84111 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #650 of 1156 🔗

If I do the scroll today will I see a troll? I haven’t been noticing any… unless you refer to me, in which case its just my upbringing I blame!

84173 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #652 of 1156 🔗

Actually, you know (and I defer to no man in my contempt for the Guardian), that’s really not a bad write up by their standards, considering it’s reviewing a site run by a clear political enemy and pushing a cause they openly despise.

84258 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tom Blackburn, #653 of 1156 🔗

Ever likely I’m single! Don’t know I’m on a dating site when I’m on a dating site! Thank you for looking after me Tom.

2.5 million views. And its not just because we are all so good looking either.

84154 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #654 of 1156 🔗

and some strange little infestations from the guardian have been sentinel-ed to monitor the nasty outbreaks of reality think…..

84189 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Tom Blackburn, #655 of 1156 🔗

We have had a few over the months but sadly none have stuck around.

84312 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Sarigan, 1, #656 of 1156 🔗

Where’s BoneyKnee when you need him.

84453 ▶▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Farinances, #657 of 1156 🔗

Must have got a promotion in 77th Brigade 😱 😂 😂 😂

84094 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #658 of 1156 🔗

https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1292873255540359169  This twitter thread 18 from James Todaro is worth reading concerning T cells immunityBelow some samples “This research on T cell immunity is largely being ignored by the mainstream media, possibly due to political and pharmaceutical interests. Hint: Assuming $35 per vaccine dose (Moderna’s price), vaccinating just the USA alone will result in a revenue of ~$10 billion annually Considering that the coronavirus vaccine industry has the potential to be the biggest profit maker big pharma has ever seen, it is not surprising that we are seeing an overly aggressive push for lockdowns and masks until there is a vaccine—no matter the cost.

84101 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 2, #660 of 1156 🔗

The old, old base for political analysis are the best :

“Cui bono?”

and

“Follow the money”

Question : “What is the similarity between the Tobacco Industry and Big Pharma?”
Answer : Money for pushing drugs.

84355 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, #661 of 1156 🔗

Applies also to Tate & Lyle, and to Guinness …

84225 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, 5, #662 of 1156 🔗

I keep going on about this but will repeat it again 🙂 The T-cells that have been found are CD4+ as well as CD8+. The CD4+ ones’ job is to activate B-cells to make antibodies .

They aren’t necessarily the same exact antibodies that the tests are looking for, which is why people are testing negative. But as this study found ( https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.14.095414v1 ) antibodies from other coronaviruses can be neutralising (i.e. work very well and you get better, and if you have lots of them around, probably don’t get even infected in the first place, and this is likely what’s happening with children).

CD8+ T-cells’ job (well one of their jobs) is to kill infected cells. Antibodies neutralise or flag virus particles before they’ve entered cells. You could in theory clear a viral infection just with CD8+ T-cells, and I don’t know if that happens, but I would be surprised if antibodies were not also used.

The reason is that the humoral system is extremely efficient. When a CD8+ T-cell is activated it will clone itself, but I believe that takes of the order of hours. An activated B-cell, probably about the same. But once it is activated it spits out 2000 antibodies per second , and, if they’re “neutralizing” antibodies, those stop the virus infecting cells at all. Since the thing you’re fighting is also replicating like crazy you have to keep up.

The outcome is the same: cross-immunity that serology testing doesn’t detect (because it deliberately looks for completely SARS2-specific antibodies). It’s often reported in the media as if the cross-immunity all came from killer T cells (aka CD8+). But if that were so I doubt it would be as robust as it is.

84229 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to guy153, 1, #663 of 1156 🔗

Thanks for that it’s cleared up a few confusions in my mind!

84262 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Farinances, 1, #664 of 1156 🔗

To give a sense of scale:

https://flic.kr/p/2iLdqjS

The tiny little yellow things that look like pollen grains are the virus particles. The big lumpy thing they’re sitting on is the cell they just infected (it’s gone all lumpy because it’s killing itself). I think this is actually a kidney cell but a T cell is the same sort of size.

An antibody sticks to a tiny part of the surface of one of the little yellow things (ideally to part of one of the “spikes” they’re covered with). They’re much much smaller than cells or even the virus particles and so a very efficient way of dealing with them.

84113 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 7, #665 of 1156 🔗

Ivermectin, owing to its antiviral activity, may play a pivotal role in several essential biological processes, therefore it could serve as a potential candidate in the treatment of different types of viruses including COVID-19. Clinical trials are necessary to appraise the effects of ivermectin on COVID-19 in clinical setting and this warrants additional investigation for probable benefits in humans in the current and future pandemics.’

12 June

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-020-0336-z

“We had a 14-hospital trial in Bangladesh. We got [cured] 100 out of 100. In China, they tried to reproduce it. They got 60 out of 60 cured … So I am behind the Ivermectin, doxycycline, zinc treatment because it has very few side effects and is a real killer of coronavirus,” Borody said.

Professor Thomas Borody, medical director of Australia’s Center for Digestive Disease. “It’s available as a prescription medication. You wouldn’t use it alone … but you add two other things to it such as doxycycline and zinc.”

08 August

https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/australia-ivermectin-coronavirus-covid/2020/08/08/id/981220/

This stupidity really is all over bar the shouting………

84145 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to Tim Bidie, #666 of 1156 🔗

Ivermectin is an insecticide, you use it to cure your cat of fleas?

84196 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to BecJT, 2, #667 of 1156 🔗

Ivermectin is a drug for parasites already widely used in the third world.It can also be used for severe scabies(Norwegian scabies).It has in vivo great activity against SARS-Cov2.Hence the interest to study it in treatment and prophylaxis. It is used already in prophylaxis and treatment in parts of India (Uttar Pradesh) and suspected being used in parts of Brazil and Peru.No studies published yet of its efficacy as far as I know.

84263 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, #668 of 1156 🔗

It sounds like neem.

84211 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to BecJT, 1, #669 of 1156 🔗

Does it work on zombies?

84391 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 1, #670 of 1156 🔗

I thought it was going to be a joke about a Scotsman

84150 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tim Bidie, #671 of 1156 🔗

If I oppose under-tested, unvalidated vaccines, I am not going to accept Chinese whispers about alternative miracle cures, either.

84227 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to RickH, 4, #672 of 1156 🔗

Invwrmectin and HCQ are almost interchangeable.
Will you accept therapy proven to work in other countries?
https://c19study.com/

84119 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 18, #673 of 1156 🔗

Day 1 of mandatory facemasks in shops in the Republic of Ireland. My first shop visit just now was to Iceland in Dublin. Security guard at the door points to his mask as I enter – I replied “I have an exemption” and he just waved me on. I was the only non mask wearer in the shop 🙁

84167 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to Ewan Duffy, 6, #674 of 1156 🔗

Just proves that most world “leaders” haven’t evolved far from primates: monkey see—monkey do! 😉

84122 richard riewer, 13, #675 of 1156 🔗

I was serious about razing #10 Downing Street to the ground. PM Johnson had Covid-19. Right? He’s still living there. Bye Boris, don’t let the door hit you on the way out! And take your Woke significant other with you.

84125 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 18, #676 of 1156 🔗

Healthy male, towards late middle age, own brain & some teeth, seeks companionship without (any) social distancing, and no Mormon-type cloth impediment to further getting to know. Not into water sports, so bed-wetters need not apply. No vegetarians, or vegans as am allergic to Sage. No nurses as couldn’t afford to feed you, and am unable to give you clap on Thursdays as am busy that night. Must have own house, so recent arrivals from France considered. Send photos under plain Covid, (sorry, typo) cover.
Box 101, lockdownsceptics.org

84153 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to James Leary #KBF, 9, #677 of 1156 🔗

Some PC types will be horrified by those requirements but in fairness you didn’t specify a gender, which is commendably in keeping with the spirit of the times.

84200 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to OKUK, 2, #678 of 1156 🔗

Bugger.

84205 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #679 of 1156 🔗

Dinner first ?

84209 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Sam Vimes, #680 of 1156 🔗

😂 😂 😂 😂 😉

84223 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Sam Vimes, #681 of 1156 🔗

Rump steak?

84259 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to James Leary #KBF, #682 of 1156 🔗

If I wasn’t happily married I’d happily date you!

84138 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 15, #683 of 1156 🔗

PPE
Ventilators
Dodgy models
PCR tests
Exponential growth
Nightingale hospitals
R numbers
Track and trace
BLM
Local lockdowns
Furlough
T cells
Herd immunity
Face masks

These are just some of the words and phrases which have become part of my vocabulary during the past five months. Who would have thought this time last year that I would be almost fluent in a new language?

84148 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Margaret, 12, #684 of 1156 🔗

We are all epidemiologists now and the strange thing is that the amateur epidemiologists here have been much more accurate in their predictions than most of the professionals.

84390 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to OKUK, 2, #685 of 1156 🔗

I met two married epidemiologists years ago and asked, given our improved diet, lifestyle and general good health, if going back to the middle ages in a time machine would we survive disease better than the locals ?
They laughed and said we would keel over with the first nasty to come along since our immune systems are so screwed compared to peasants spending all their lives in the mud and shit digging ditches with wooden spades and living among the livestock.
.

84174 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Margaret, 3, #686 of 1156 🔗

Some of my examples:
Gompertz curve
IFR
CFR
Farr’s law
Cross-immunity
Suspectibility
Nosocomial
Amplifier
Endemic

84199 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to DRW, 2, #687 of 1156 🔗

Covid-19 does certainly have high suspectibility.

84207 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to guy153, 1, #688 of 1156 🔗

Damn spelling again, I really need to draft these comments first.

84256 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to DRW, 1, #689 of 1156 🔗

Koch’s Postulates

84327 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 3, #690 of 1156 🔗

I’ve been trying to see a GP about my Koch’s Postulates for ages but can’t get an appointment.

84420 ▶▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Achilles, #691 of 1156 🔗

Love it! Does it involve treatment with suppositories?

84451 ▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to DRW, #692 of 1156 🔗

Gompertz curve….. that has disappeared from the narrative recently. It was all over at the start. Forgot about that one

84204 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Margaret, 4, #693 of 1156 🔗

Yep, you are now fluent in talking shite. Or at least about it. 🙂

84208 ▶▶ annie, replying to Margaret, #694 of 1156 🔗

You’ve avoided the really nauseating stuff!

84342 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Margaret, #695 of 1156 🔗

You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

84144 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 14, #696 of 1156 🔗

As previously noted there’s a big difference between mask observance in large supermarkets and smaller stores. I was in a mini supermarket today at a busy time. Out of about 20 customers only one had a mask on.

84237 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to OKUK, 1, #697 of 1156 🔗

By mini supermarket do you mean a Tesco Express (ie cut down big 4/5 supermarket) or a Costcutter/Nisa, please?

84253 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to arfurmo, 5, #698 of 1156 🔗

Kind of Costcutter size I’d say. It was busy with people in all the aisles and a queue at the check out. I thought it might be 60% no masks but it was as I say more like 95%.

84309 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to OKUK, 6, #699 of 1156 🔗

I can confirm my Sainsburys Local AKA The Corner Shop is devoid of masks, even during the day.

Both local Co-Ops slightly less relaxed, lots of masks. But no shit for not wearing one, and no weird looks or comments.

Local Lidl same, but more relaxed. Although the staff seem to have been made to wear them, which is weird, because they don’t have to.

84389 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Farinances, 2, #700 of 1156 🔗

I previously mentioned asking an off duty Tesco lad why he’s started wearing one and was it compulsory?
No he said, not compulsory but strongly advised.

84185 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 43, #701 of 1156 🔗

Today was my first day back at work since mandatory muzzling took into effect for the museums and heritage sector. Didn’t do anything for our visitor figures as it was still quiet but what was worrying was the number of children under the age of 11 muzzled.

Sadly I couldn’t say anything but it was sad seeing all these children whose faces were covered whilst at the same time all they could see were covered faces too except for the staff.

I really despair at what this insane world is doing to the children. We and they will be paying for the psychological damage that is being inflicted on them for years, even decades to come.

84193 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bart Simpson, 27, #702 of 1156 🔗

My kids loudly use the term ‘face nappies’ in shops and laugh at Boris “the clown” when he makes a rare appearance at work. My only concern is that they might get into trouble with bedwetter teachers when the schools go back.

84197 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #703 of 1156 🔗

Sounds like your kids are critical thinkers – they will be OK.

However I do agree with you about them getting into trouble with bedwetter teachers. And not only that but also being bullied by other children and shamed by other parents.

84203 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #704 of 1156 🔗

Reminds me of hearing some kids express thanks for “normal humans” out on a cycle trail today. Gave me a smile.

84224 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to DRW, 8, #705 of 1156 🔗

People were wearing masks on a cycle trail? Of course they were – hotbeds of Black Death, are cycle trails.,,,, Good for those kids anyway. I agree with those above who talk about the damage being done to so many by this shit-show.

84234 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #706 of 1156 🔗

They weren’t, which the kids were happy to see. I have seen some masked cyclists but very few on that trail.

84525 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Aremen, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #707 of 1156 🔗

We drove over Dartmoor a month ago and saw a family of four driving along, two young children in the back, windows closed, all four muzzled. What torments must be going through their minds?

84210 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #708 of 1156 🔗

Back to your post – we went to IWM North last week. It was thoroughly enjoyable. About 60% masks vs 40% bare faces.

Was expecting to see more masks tbf. This shitshow has mainly been an opportunity for the Blue Peter classes to overtly showcase themselves as martyrs.

84215 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #709 of 1156 🔗

That’s good if not everyone is wearing them. In my workplace, only one visitor came in today unmuzzled.

84247 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #710 of 1156 🔗

Proud parent! Good on you.

84250 ▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #711 of 1156 🔗

Earlier today I made a reference to this whole farce being reminiscent of Emperor’s New Clothes; of course those who had the story told to them or read it themselves know who outed the swindlers!

84254 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #712 of 1156 🔗

Your kids sound awesome! Keep up the good work.

84260 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #713 of 1156 🔗

My 9 year old daughter is very much a lockdown sceptic. She’s even posted her theories here! Likewise I fear she might sow the seeds of dissent in the playground…

84307 ▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #714 of 1156 🔗

You too are clearly a good parent.

84306 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #715 of 1156 🔗

You are a great parent.

84388 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #716 of 1156 🔗

The kids will be alright, we used snotty hankies wrapped round our faces when playing cowboys and injuns*, never did us any harm.

* sincere and abject apologies to anybody offended by that racist hate word.

84192 IMoz, replying to IMoz, 8, #717 of 1156 🔗

In the United Kingdom, the National Health Service advised hospitals to cancel most elective surgeries for 12 weeks. It is estimated that this will result in 516,000 cancelled surgeries, including 36,000 cancer procedures. These cancellations will create a backlog that will need to be cleared after the COVID-19 disruption ends.

https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/university/colleges/mds/news/2020/05/covid-global-surgery.aspx

That was in MAY, they thought it would end! ;-))

84268 ▶▶ Richard, replying to IMoz, 4, #718 of 1156 🔗

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/one-month-since-norfolk-hospital-coronavirus-death-1-6785680

Regional newspaper publishes transparent data shock !! So if the rest of the country is pretty much close to this which it must be (and there have never been more tourists in Norfolk than the last Few weeks – why is Boris and the rest of his idiots forcing muzzles on the population..

84290 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Richard, 1, #719 of 1156 🔗

Trick question: because it has nothing to do with a virus

84386 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richard, #720 of 1156 🔗

9 weeks round this way, still counts as daily ‘news’ on the local Live Online.

84385 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to IMoz, 2, #721 of 1156 🔗

I knew of a South African specialist surgeon who was over here to gain 6 months experience, he flew home because his part of the hospital was being converted to ICU.

That was two weeks before Lockdown.

84195 ikaraki, 23, #722 of 1156 🔗

So another report from a Scottish shop. The place is busy, maybe not as much as a couple of months ago, however we still regularly beat target by a substantial amount. Still got a month lead time for repairs.

Finally had my first shift on the sales floor since the introduction of mandatory face masks. Not a single person mentioned the fact that I didn’t wear one at all; managers, colleagues or customers. To clarify, I don’t wear one out of choice, I am not exempt, and walk through the sales floor regularly. Most of the customer’s are wearing masks in the shop, but a lot are putting them on at the door. There were one or two people, from memory, who didn’t wear one the entirety of their visit. A few who were obviously wearing one as a gesture as they made no effort to use them correctly.

Nearly all customers seem to be happy to get within two metres, a sizeable proportion getting within one metre too.. They are happy to interact with me, listen to my advice and purchase product. Will let me lift things in and out of their cars, pass receipts hand to hand and touch their cards. Seeing more and more that are looking to use the services we used to offer that were stopped, generally fittings where we need to touch someone and get well within any modicum of personal space.

Interestingly finding a large number of masks strewn around work (ain’t the tidiest place), in staff areas of all places.. Not sure if they have been used or not, don’t care either, pick ’em up, in the bin and on with my day.

Still get a rush of adrenaline and anxiety going into other shops without a mask, need to get that sorted, although it can join the long list of other issues I have..

Unrelated but curious, seen two mine resistant ambush protected (MRAP) vehicles driving up the A1 today, not the first time I’ve seen them since March but this time in full kit out including slat armour. You will be glad to know I gave them the middle finger.

Fuck this shit!

84198 RDawg, replying to RDawg, 46, #723 of 1156 🔗

Professor Neil Ferguson has revealed his incredible new “model” used to predict the death figures in the forthcoming winter second wave.

84213 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to RDawg, 4, #724 of 1156 🔗

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

84371 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to RDawg, 1, #725 of 1156 🔗

Oooh! Oooh! Can I have one?!

DavidC

84267 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #726 of 1156 🔗

The failing test and trace system will be scaled back under plans to replace thousands of call centre workers with council staff knocking on doors.
The major overhaul of the system follows warnings that it is now reaching less than half of contacts of those who test positive for coronavirus. On average, those working for call centres are reaching just one case a month, research shows.
…. Those working for the call centres, run by Serco and Sitel, have said the job was akin to being “paid to watch Netflix”. Under the overhaul, around 6,000 of the 18,000 call handlers will be axed.
Instead, councils will be encouraged to send their own workers out to chase up the contacts of infected cases who have failed to respond to phone calls.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/10/troubled-test-trace-system-scaled-back-local-authorities-told/

Councils had said they should be doing the job right from the start but Poppycock wouldn’t hear of it.
How much has this fiasco cost us and whose pals have benefited?

84270 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #727 of 1156 🔗

Great they have just brought contact tracers down to a local level and will enforce it with some jobsworth council idiots knocking on your door.

84279 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Two-Six, 6, #728 of 1156 🔗

When I heard I thought great news,but this is a leap forward for the stasi state.

84280 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, 4, #729 of 1156 🔗

Not if they don’t have your contact details!

Actually, the argument is that people aren’t answering the government’s 0300 number because they assume it’s a double glazing cold call, or similar.

The council will use a local number that’s more likely to to be answered.

84285 ▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #730 of 1156 🔗

I don’t answer local numbers I don’t recognise as so many marketeers and scammers use local numbers for the same reason. If it’s someone I care about I probably have their number saved, it’s otherwise important they will leave a message.

84305 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #731 of 1156 🔗

My answerphone is on all the time, so my landline calls are screened anyway.

I blocked the 0300 number on my mobile. Any local calls will be ignored, as all legitimate callers will be identified from my address book.

84299 ▶▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #732 of 1156 🔗

People are blocking that shit.

I did.

84403 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 1, #733 of 1156 🔗

Open the door and cough in the numpty’s face.
Quarantine the lot of them.

84294 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #734 of 1156 🔗

This is actually beautiful. Hopefully everyone will record these idiots on their doorsteps, being threatening and doom-mongery. The footage will be everywhere. Sheeples will awake.

84297 ▶▶▶ Farinances, replying to Farinances, 5, #735 of 1156 🔗

Plus we’ll all get to slam doors in busybodies’ faces.

(Also this confirmation that an absolute shit-tonne of people blocked T&T on their phones)

84384 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #736 of 1156 🔗

I know some Sitel staff and it’s true they have been fiddling their thumbs for weeks.
Dunno how the Council can knock on my door, I’ve never been asked to give my address when eating out.

84402 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 1, #737 of 1156 🔗

If you were asked, would you give your real one?

84269 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #738 of 1156 🔗
84319 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, 2, #739 of 1156 🔗

This is music!

And now we’re not allowed to sing together – the most powerfully unifying force known to mankind.

They really know their stuff!

84345 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #740 of 1156 🔗

Thanks for the reply. Here is what Henry Purcell thought about music. Sorry about the five second ad that precedes it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sWOWHqw18U

84272 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #741 of 1156 🔗

Someone asked about rules for schools.
Doesn’t sound very encouraging:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/back-school-checklist-like-ransom-note/

Does the bin in your child’s classroom have a lid? No? Then your child won’t be going back to school in September.

…. his or her school would have to adhere to a further 199 points from the National Education Union’s new “checklist” of Covid-secure measures: a 25-page ransom note that demands to know whether “lunch breaks be long enough to allow hand washing as well as eating and drinking” (the kind of question even my 8-year-old would deem beneath her in terms of avoidance tactics) and requests “additional support for the well-being of staff suffering from workload concerns” is laid on – but forgets to ask the most important question of all: “How can we ensure that our kids get back to school?”

…. nowhere in the document, dubbed “a wrecker’s charter” by MPs on Sunday night, is there any sense of the “moral duty” the Prime Minister is calling for ….

…. the NEU’s checklist has the misfortune of being published at precisely the same time as two important new studies. The first, from Oxford University, confirms what we already knew: that interrupted schooling has deep and long-lasting detrimental effects on children . And the second – a landmark PHE coronavirus study which tested more than 20,000 pupils and 100 teachers – finds the risk of transmission in classrooms to be “minimal”.Then there’s the leading expert, Professor Woolhouse, head of infectious disease epidemiology at Edinburgh University, who yesterday went so far as to say that not a single confirmed case of a school pupil passing on coronavirus to their teacher exists anywhere in the world. All of which shows up the NEU’s checklist as the crude sabotage attempt that it is – and explains why an increasing number of teachers have been telling me they’re “tearing up their union cards”.

…. Is Gavin ‘Admit Defeat’ Williamson the man to get us out of this mess? Not when the Government have themselves empowered the unions with their lack of clear guidance from the outset. Not when the NEU is currently urging teaching staff to “escalate” their quarrel if their 200 demands are not met.

….. what if, to turn an old proverb on its head, for the want of a bin a school was lost? For the want of a school an education was lost? For the want of an education a generation was lost? And all for the want of a bin.

84275 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #742 of 1156 🔗

Need to do a Pimlico plumbers on the teachers

84298 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 9, #743 of 1156 🔗

I passed some teenagers in the park the other day. Overheard one say: ” … but if they don’t mark your work, how can you get better?”

Says it all!

84310 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #744 of 1156 🔗

I had the same experience too the other day, passed some teenagers in the park and one said to me “I’ll stab you dog!”.

Get them back in the schools!

84317 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, 1, #745 of 1156 🔗

Yikes! Scary kids. None of that round my way, fortunately.

84281 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #746 of 1156 🔗

Sack them. No workee, no payee.

84282 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #747 of 1156 🔗

My children take exams next year.They have had half an hour each since the schools closed.

84286 ▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #748 of 1156 🔗

Absolutely shocking.

84308 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #749 of 1156 🔗

Disgraceful!

84277 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 14, #750 of 1156 🔗

I just wanted to say how much I hate the word “uptick”. Where the fuck did this horrible management speak word come from?

84284 ▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 9, #751 of 1156 🔗

It’s everywhere. All part of the Newspeak “new normal” is the one that gets me!!! These bastards will not win!!!

84288 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Kath Andrews, 4, #752 of 1156 🔗

Since when were the words “rise” or “increase” not good enough?

84301 ▶▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 7, #753 of 1156 🔗

Exactly – all of this re-phrasing bollocks, this got me in April, early \ May

https://twitter.com/calumets/status/1250797021369425923

hope this works, i;m basically crap at all of this

,,,,,,and he ‘new normal’ can frankly go fuck itself

84316 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, #755 of 1156 🔗

Same pic, sorry.

84400 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Kath Andrews, 1, #756 of 1156 🔗

The new ABnormal.

84321 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Kath Andrews, 2, #757 of 1156 🔗

Not that new. I remember when ‘incredible’ meant something was beyond credulity not a synonym for ‘very’.

84368 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Bella, 1, #758 of 1156 🔗

And “Awesome”!

Where does one go if something is better than that?!

DavidC

84401 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bella, 5, #759 of 1156 🔗

‘Incredible’ decayed into ‘very’ a long time ago. I remember it being sloshed about in a commentary in the last Olympics but one ‘Micky runs down the straight very fast. That’s incredible.’

The Annie prize for meaningless mind-clutter goes to this sign in a local caravan park:

PLEASE KEEP ALERT AND STAY SAFE WHILE ON THE PARK.

Normally, of course, people on the park wander around in a catatonic daze and step over the cliff.

84330 ▶▶▶ Steve, replying to Kath Andrews, 10, #760 of 1156 🔗

‘Stay safe’ makes my blood boil. Such an innocent seeming phrase too…

84331 ▶▶▶▶ Allen, replying to Steve, 9, #761 of 1156 🔗

Same here- can’t stand it- I usually reply- “No thanks I’d rather have fun.”

Idiots that keep saying that can’t even figure out they are being programmed like parrots to repeat the mantras of their overlords.

84369 ▶▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Allen, 1, #762 of 1156 🔗

Mainly Americanisms.

DavidC

84347 ▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Steve, #763 of 1156 🔗

exactly.

84416 ▶▶▶▶ steve, replying to Steve, 2, #764 of 1156 🔗

It instantly identifies that person out as a coronabollox idiot. Useful in that sense!

84382 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Kath Andrews, 4, #765 of 1156 🔗

It’s part of the language going forward.

84393 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to karenovirus, 8, #766 of 1156 🔗

https://www.bullshitgenerator.com/

A favourite of mine.

And one of my greatest irritants is the high rise terminals mode of speech: pseudo- questioning intonation at the end of every sentence.

And I now loathe the word vulnerable and the phrase – ‘ we are keeping you safe’.

84432 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fed up, replying to wendyk, 2, #767 of 1156 🔗

’Shielding’ ! 🤮

84515 ▶▶▶▶▶ Aremen, replying to wendyk, 2, #768 of 1156 🔗

“Be kind” is another one. Lidl (which, at least my local branch, is otherwise not too bad) has a PA announcement every few minutes telling us to be kind. Wow, I’ve only been on this planet for 60-odd years and I’d never thought of being kind to people before.

84459 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to karenovirus, #769 of 1156 🔗

But you have to look at it across the piece.

84464 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Sam Vimes, #770 of 1156 🔗

Referring to everything as a ‘piece’ is a really annoying trend that’s become an epidemic in the workplace!

84287 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #771 of 1156 🔗

Someone found it outside the box, whilst doing a bit of blue sky thinking.

Sorry, had to be done.

84292 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #772 of 1156 🔗

Better run it up the flagpole and see who salutes!

84293 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #773 of 1156 🔗

“Uptick” is what they use when someone recently called them out for the fearmongering “spike” or “wave” and they’ve been told off by their editor/producer and must temper their language for a few days ffs

84304 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #774 of 1156 🔗

Most definitely ‘uptick’ is the worst (‘spike’ right behind it) but ‘new normal’ got me freaking angry right at the start of this charade. From UK to USA and here in Canada the new normal slogan was peppered throughout the media in all our countries. From a script no doubt.

Observing how many people have enthusiastically added all of these virus buzzwords to their vocabulary is most frustrating.

84311 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Eddie, 7, #775 of 1156 🔗

2nd wave is the worst for me

84322 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Eddie, 6, #776 of 1156 🔗

“New normal” has been around a while, long before Covid-19, often used by people pushing an agenda but unable to find convincing arguments for it. It’s similar to people trying to close down discussion by saying that a proposed change is “inevitable”.

84427 ▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Edward, #777 of 1156 🔗

I hate ‘The New Normal’, I had it pushed down my throat (gently) when I was recovering from my stroke, made me want to fight harder!

84349 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Eddie, 2, #778 of 1156 🔗

I live in Montreal, Quebec. The phrase ‘new normal’ appeared to just pop out of nowhere, but I think it was just part of the script.

84338 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #779 of 1156 🔗

An upstart probably!

84346 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #780 of 1156 🔗

Silicon Valley most likely.

84350 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #781 of 1156 🔗

The MSM goons just can’t help using Americanisms (apologies to our friends in the US; maybe you are equally dismayed with British words that make it in your country). It means a small increase, but it’s used now to describe any increase if they don’t want to use “surge”. It’s pathetic, and almost as bad as “call out”, and using “protest” and “appeal” without “against” as the following word. Of course “new normal”, i.e “new abnormal” is the absolute pits, alongside “second wave”. Have I missed any?

84358 ▶▶▶ JimByJovi, replying to Tenchy, 5, #782 of 1156 🔗

“Reach out” meaning “ask” – pure bollocks of the first water. Thankfully doesn’t seem to be used here (UK) yet, but wouldn’t put it past them.

84363 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to JimByJovi, 11, #783 of 1156 🔗

Ditto “pass” for “die”, as in “my dad passed last week” – what, the salt?

84370 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to JimByJovi, 1, #784 of 1156 🔗

Have I missed some satire there or do you mean ‘Pure bollocks of the first order”?

DavidC

84415 ▶▶▶▶▶ JimByJovi, replying to DavidC, 1, #785 of 1156 🔗

I’m going to go with “first water” for a tenuous “family jewels” link.

84470 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Tenchy, #786 of 1156 🔗

Working “at pace”. I should have given you a “heads up” on that one. We can have a “town hall” later.

84367 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #787 of 1156 🔗

It’s been around in the coporate world for quite a long time. I remeber training being referred to as upskilling, delivering a faster service as upspeeding. I did ask a couple of people (who had a sense of humour!) “If it goes wrong will it be upfucked?”

Don’t get me started on people starting sentences with the word So! Janet Yellen, ex head honcho at the Federal Reserve was notroius for it!

DavidC

84520 ▶▶▶ Aremen, replying to DavidC, 2, #788 of 1156 🔗

I do still cringe at the use of “So,” at the start of sentences, which is especially prevalent among academic and media types, but it then dawned on me that it is used in the same way as “Well,” by the majority of us, which does not bother me, but should do.

84523 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to DavidC, 3, #789 of 1156 🔗

Agree so much on this. I worked in investment banking until the management consultants took over and they started outsourcing everything. Was in a meeting where those of us with nearly 20 years’ experience were shown a ‘dashboard’ instructing us how to answer a telephone (as in how to actually pick up the receiver!). I remarked to a collegue that I thought a dashboard was something you found in a car. I couldn’t take much more of things after that and walked out.

84429 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #790 of 1156 🔗

I hate ‘global’ pandemic!

Same as ‘PIN number’ and ‘arseless chaps’

Arseless chaps! They’re called ‘trousers’!

84300 Youth_Unheard, replying to Youth_Unheard, 19, #791 of 1156 🔗

Another happy work day to report! Working shop floor, in Wales so muzzles still not mandatory, (amazing the Welsh are actually following some real science) but definitely fewer staff wearing them than before, had a lovely day chatting with two others without masks and passing things between us, physical contact, saying it’s all stupid and whatnot. Also very encouraging with several elderly customers asking me to lean down or reach up for things and hand them to them, all unmuzzled and clearly not worried in the slightest. Big smiles all round 🙂

84303 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to Youth_Unheard, 5, #792 of 1156 🔗

I’m coming to see you on Friday 🙂 Granted I won’t be going anywhere really other than my mate’s back garden, but…… Somewhere (a little) more sane will be welcome for a few days!

84323 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #793 of 1156 🔗

European Case-Fatality Rates beyond lockdown and the UK’s outlier status
cebm.net/covid-19/european-case-fatality-rates-beyond-lockdown-and-the-uks-outlier-status/

84359 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 12, #795 of 1156 🔗

This is incredible (literally).

Even CEBM seem shocked at the scale of obvious disparity.

It is proof positive of what many of us have been saying since March – this country’s figures are a total shambolic fiction. It looks like we first have a massive over-allocation of deaths to Covid, coupled with a later stacking up of ‘cases’ through testing that we are seeing now.

What a mess.

84361 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 9, #796 of 1156 🔗

P.S. Any bets on how/when this dynamite about exaggerated deaths will be reported in the MSM?

…. or how it will be ignored.?

84381 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RickH, 5, #797 of 1156 🔗

Posted earlier about chatting to one of the 70%. Ended with her asking me ‘so have ever met anyone who has had it ?’
Told her I’ve never met anyone who knows anybody else who had it

‘No me neither’ she replied.

84399 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 3, #798 of 1156 🔗

I know two people who know people who have had it. One said to have died of it early on. Well over 80, multiple morbidities. The other a nurse, caught it in a high-dependency ward early on, still ‘not well at all’.
But people always did tell me with relish about every illness in their circle of acquaintance. There just used to be more than one illness.
How many if us know people now suffering or dying from NHS neglect?

84549 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 2, #799 of 1156 🔗

On my travels, I noticed one thing that was very interesting. In the area, a lot of local people said they “knew personally” somebody who died of “it”.

This guy was actually a local legend. An almost mythical figure. Everybody knew him. This is how it goes in rural places. His narrative is that he went to the Cheltenham festival and got “it” and then died of it “it”. Aged 54.

His death is like a may-pole for local people to weave their covid ribbons around.

84825 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alison9, replying to karenovirus, #800 of 1156 🔗

Someone was telling me they knew someone who worked in our local hospital ICU and I asked how they had found it since March. She said they were ‘scared at first but it hasn’t been too bad. We’ve not had it as bad as everywhere else’. The penny just doesn’t drop!

84326 richard riewer, 8, #801 of 1156 🔗

Marilyn Hawes is on Richie Allen speaking about child abuse and gaslighting. Are we being gaslighted during this shamdemic?

84339 Dominic12, replying to Dominic12, 38, #802 of 1156 🔗

I haven’t seen much from the shopkeepers (manager not owner) perspective of mask wearing so that is the subject of my first post here.

After the law was published I read it online and printed out the most relevant parts. All members of staff were spoken to and advised that anyone could come in the shop without a mask and that they must not challenge them or question them. Some of the exact wording of the legislation was quoted to reinforce the point. If any mask wearer started kicking off it would be they who would have to leave and two staff members suggested that before I told them. There are also no posters in the shop referring to masks.

The printed relevant parts were put on the shop floor for reference in case of difficulty and at least one staff member read them of their own volition. She seems the most skeptic likely but is not there yet (eg if it is really appropriate for us to wear masks now then they should have enforced it months ago). Visors were purchased when the shop reopened but have not been touched and all staff were told they are welcome to wear their own supplied masks if they wish to. No one on the shop floor has ever worn a mask there.

Almost everyone coming in the shop now wears a mask and there has never been an issue between them and the staff or the few customers who don’t. It not being my own business I haven’t usually gone out of my way to suggest people stop wearing masks but of course nothing is said to those who don’t wear them properly or at all. The times I’ve said that masks can be removed the wearer has always done so and been happy about it. On two occasions I’ve told parents of mask wearing children clearly under the age of 11 they are exempt – the kids were removing the mask after leaving the shop before I spoke. In the first instance the mother said she knew they were exempt but they had asthma and ‘better safe than sorry’. As it is not my business (in both senses) I thought it better to keep quiet. The second time the father seemed unsure of the exemption even though he said his wife had told him. He also said they’d been moaning about wearing them. So hopefully my comment reinforced the position of the wife and the children no longer have to wear the masks.

My perception is that most people are wearing them since it became compulsory because they believe the shop staff expect or require them to do so. Also that despite simply being some bloke who works in a shop I have some authority over them and what should be & was previously an important matter of their personal health.
If it was my business I would take the risk and be much more proactive in letting people know about the ways around and the dangers but the way things are now I don’t feel able to go too far down that line. The shop is open to all and who knows who is listening or who you’re talking to. Careless talk costs lives and all.

84409 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Dominic12, 3, #803 of 1156 🔗

Thanks for a different perspective.

84424 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Dominic12, 3, #804 of 1156 🔗

Great Post 👍🏻

84454 ▶▶ annie, replying to Dominic12, 4, #805 of 1156 🔗

You are the stuff of decency. Well done.

84353 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 9, #806 of 1156 🔗

This battle against lockdown is rigged. The public sector is on full pay, whether they can work or not. Of course they don’t want to go back to work.
The government made a strategic error in agreeing to this. Tell a few judges and hospital consultants that, unfortunately, there is reduced demand for their services and they will soon want to go back to work.

84362 ▶▶ RickH, replying to WhyNow, -11, #807 of 1156 🔗

Of course they don’t want to go back to work.”

That’s a pretty stupid and divisive generalisation that does just the opposite of what is needed at the moment.

84491 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 5, #808 of 1156 🔗

What is needed is that the teachers,NHS and the rest of the public sector,to get off their arses and go back to work

84706 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to WhyNow, 2, #809 of 1156 🔗

When I was a kid, public sector workers were those people who set an example. They did a great job, for less money than they were worth, because they wanted to help people rather than earn money. They appreciated their jobs and thought of them as a privelege. Their job was their vocation and they were dedicated to it.

Now, things have changed. I don’t quite know when it happened. People in the public sector end up making more money than their private sector counterparts. They have better pensions. More holidays. More flexible options. More….. Everything. They are better funded than they’ve ever been. They whine about working conditions that are way better than those in the private sector. People I know covet public sector jobs- the starting salaries are comparable with private, but they know they will slide up that greasy pole very quickly, and end up earning a bundle in a few years. They know a public sector job is relatively secure and it’s almost impossible to get fired. If you do get fired, you’ll get a nice payout – something reserved for top CEOs in the private sector.

Basically, they know a public sector job is a cushy number. As a result there are vast swathes of people working for the state who regard it as the best way to look after themselves, not others. Sadly, they are right.

I have many friends who became teachers because they didn’t know what else to do with their arts degrees that would earn them a decent whack of money. Get your crappy starting salary (that isn’t actually that crappy). Go work in London for a few years where the wages are higher and you can get promoted quickly. Move out of London with your elevated job status and higher earning power, buy a mansion in suburbia. The end. This was always their plan. It was never about teaching or developing children’s minds. Me me me. Not public service.

I know, I know. Public sector workers incoming. Pile on, pile on. Of course there are exceptions. But IME anyone who gets triggered by me saying these things is usually exemplary of the rule, not the exception.

84356 Mark, replying to Mark, 9, #810 of 1156 🔗

The shambles of Britain’s bankrupt party politics. Mike Graham and Peter Hitchens go full on state socialist, advocating nationalisation (without compensation, no less), and discuss how the Blairite “Conservative” Party employs revolutionary communists and has left “Labour” a shadow of what it was, led by a “beige” Starmer.

Peter Hitchens: ‘The media seems to have checked its brains in somewhere and forgotten the ticket’
New parties of left and right needed, stat. Blairite scum, whether in the “Conservative” or “Labour” parties, to the dock, if we can find any judges not corrupted by 23 years of Blairite rule to try them before, and any laws left unsullied by their dirty hands.

84394 ▶▶ BobT, replying to Mark, -5, #811 of 1156 🔗

What are you on?

84423 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to BobT, 2, #812 of 1156 🔗

A roll.

84542 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to BobT, #813 of 1156 🔗

What are you on?

Well, it’s less personally abusive than some others’ contributions, but not much more useful.

84411 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Mark, 10, #814 of 1156 🔗

On Covid, testing and lockdown madness Peter Hitchens was brilliant and a beacon of light, a rare example of someone at that level who is speaking for sanity, reality and reason.

84487 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #815 of 1156 🔗

He’s been great from the start.If you read his Twitter it seems like a long battle with the mask zealots.I don’t know how he had the patience

84530 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #816 of 1156 🔗

Indeed, and it is a fact that he has been such from the very beginning of this nonsense, and almost alone among high profile media figures on that.

As always one’s opinions of a speaker tend to be shaped by how far one shares the views he is expressing or at the least, his general political philosophy and leanings. I don’t agree with him about everything, but I don’t recall anything he said here that I would object to strongly. He is, imo, one of the best observers of “Conservative” Party affairs around, perhaps because he has the right combination of basic sympathy with outsider objectivity, coming as he does from an early idealist hard left background. He was a member of and campaigner for the Labour Party before he was a Conservative, so understands how both parties work. Or worked, at any rate.

84383 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 11, #817 of 1156 🔗

The Posh Cafe opened in time for the 50% free food thing.
I was looking forward to their fabulous breakfast.
Didn’t look particularly open as I approached, park up, walked in, all very gloomy, couple of lonely customers. Not much in the way of Coronophobia.

Stood by the counter, new sign ‘card payment only’, fair enough. Still waiting for a member of staff to notice me.
Another new sign.
‘At present our toilets are not for use by customers’
WTF ! Why not, everywhere elses are ?
Still no service so I’m gone and won’t be going back.

Span around the quiet bypass (8am on a weekday, should be crawling) to the Transport Cafe. Hand sanitizer gone, the only Coronophobia left are the signs stuck to the floor.
Friendly waitress tells me
“We’ve stopped doing table service now but since it’s you…” and took my order.
While waiting the Police turned up ! !
But they just went to the counter for coffees, they sat down in the offset part of the cafe with no windows and as I left I noticed 4 police vehicles parked discreetly around the back so maybe they were being a bit naughty

I’d say that was pretty well normal service returned.

84398 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 13, #818 of 1156 🔗

Posh Cafe doomed.
Transport Cafe saved.
They’ll get what they deserve.

84417 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to annie, 21, #819 of 1156 🔗

Not sure how best to put this without sounding snobbish or patronising but I feel that it is the Transport Cafe sector of our society that will drive the rejection of the lock-down madness. They have smelt a rat and can see that the Emperor has got no clothes on.
I was appalled yesterday when some official from the North of England was being lauded for inventing the phrase ‘don’t kill granny!’ as a way of stopping young people from crowding the pubs. I rather thought that it was Government & Health officials that had killed granny a couple of months ago!

84418 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #820 of 1156 🔗

Not snobbish at all. I’ve thought the same thing. Like all generalisations it risks being wrong in many specific cases but there’s a certain rough and ready approach to life that I would think is more typical of people who eat in those kind of places.

84419 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Julian, 9, #821 of 1156 🔗

Agree with all of the contributions. I’m sure there are sociological reasons why the Blue Peter classes are swooning with their government right now whereas the working classes are much more cynical.

84431 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Julian, 14, #822 of 1156 🔗

This is exactly what I witness in Greggs: ordinary folk- all shapes and sizes- calling in on their way to do the jobs which are keeping the country running.

Cheerful, easy going, down to earth atmosphere: it’s like an oasis of sanity and I go regularly now.

As mentioned in an earlier comment, affluent acquaintances are hiding in their large, well appointed homes, convinced that the spectre with the scythe is just waiting to pounce, while the lesser mortals gamely get on with it.

Of course, many workers have no choice, but Greggs is an indicator of an underlying common sense, which has deserted the middle classes.

84446 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to wendyk, 6, #823 of 1156 🔗

As I understand it Greggs delayed full reopening because they were worried about being overwhelmed, I think they were probably right

84421 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #824 of 1156 🔗

Where I live there’s been a greasy spoon burger van operating as normal through the entire lockdown. As in since March. And it’s had a steady stream of customers. As far as I’m concerned they’ve been the only ones displaying the true, stubborn British mettle we used to be renowned for. This crisis will separate the wheat from the chaff. Unfortunately our society presently has a lot of chaff and only a few grains of wheat.

84443 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #825 of 1156 🔗

That particular venue opened as soon as they were allowed to with full on Covid Safety almost to the point of hostility but they soon relaxed once they saw their customers taking no notice of it all.

Mostly working blokes from the motor trade, builders, distribution and the like but also small family groups later in the day.
Once the stuck down floor signage has eroded away it will be as though Covid never happened.

84462 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #826 of 1156 🔗

The narrative could just as easily have been “Council Official slammed for insensitive slogan” followed by meek apology from him etc etc. But who decides which way these things go?

84463 ▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #827 of 1156 🔗

I have avoided this Orwell quote for similar reasons, it can sound very patronising, but, as so often, it is perceptive:

“If there was hope, it must lie in the proles, because only there, in those swarming disregarded masses, eighty-five percent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated”

84518 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #828 of 1156 🔗

Ice cream vans are the same. A bastion of normality. Most will even take cash!

84861 ▶▶▶▶ Alison9, replying to Steve Martindale, #829 of 1156 🔗

Transport cafe sector and possibly Northern by the comments on here (and I speak as a Southerner!)

84392 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 12, #830 of 1156 🔗

https://thecritic.co.uk/life-has-become-the-avoidance-of-death/

This excellent article summarises what we’ve been discussing here for many weeks.

Is the penny finally beginning to drop?

84395 ▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 7, #831 of 1156 🔗

It is, indeed, superb. But there were always those who realised what was happening. It won’t convert the Covicowards,
.
Worth sharing, though, with anybody for whom you cherish the slightest hope.

84397 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to wendyk, 1, #832 of 1156 🔗

Good summary of what’s been said here for months what is the Critics readership ? Numbers and profile.

84405 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to karenovirus, 2, #833 of 1156 🔗

I don’t know; it’s fairly new but is much better, in my opinion, than Unherd and Spiked, both of which I’ve more or less abandoned.

84593 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to wendyk, #834 of 1156 🔗

I don’t particularly follow either, except when the occasional (usually very good) article or interview is flagged here, so I’m interested in what the problems are with those publications.

84648 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Mark, 2, #835 of 1156 🔗

I ‘m a great fan of John Gray’s articles in Unherd,but I think Peter Franklin writes utter drivel about the need for masks etc; Paul Embery is good ,as is Matthew Goodwin.

I used to rely on Spiked for BON’s incendiary articles and Frank Furedi’s long reads.

However, I’ve found recently that The Critic is more engaging; all a matter of personal opinion and I do dip into the other two, but not as often.

84426 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to wendyk, 1, #836 of 1156 🔗

Excellent article, thanks

84465 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 1, #837 of 1156 🔗

Brilliant article that should be circulated more widely.

84483 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #838 of 1156 🔗

BTW, Bart: yesterday’s hair salon discussion: I’ve just visited the salon to show my badge.

Owner opened door with her foot, wearing space helmet,mask and plastic disposable apron and asked me to step well back. She said that as her premises have been classified as high risk, she cannot offer exemptions to the mask requirements.

She offered to do a very quick cut but I declined.

Even though I can understand the difficulties which all these ridiculous stipulations place on small businesses, I found the brief encounter to be thoroughly depressing: imagine being dressed up in plastic, cleaned with sanitiser and treated as a potentially lethal virus transporter.

I wonder how many customers will eventually be driven away by all this?

I’m relying on DIY from now on and it’ll mean I can learn a new skill!

84493 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to wendyk, 4, #839 of 1156 🔗

The guidance for hair salons is just that. Guidance!

84495 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #840 of 1156 🔗

I’m fully aware of this, but there’s no point in getting into a fruitless dispute with a proprietor who is adamant in refusing exemptions.

84506 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to wendyk, 2, #841 of 1156 🔗

I was aiming at them, not you, Wendyk. But yeah [sigh] this is what we are up against. Haven’t been to my hairdresser yet, she’s a pretty no nonsense type, but who knows what she will have fallen for.

84519 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #842 of 1156 🔗

Thanks Sam and I know you were aiming at them, but considering the vigour with which my control freak of a stylist warned me to step back today, I think the hidden gauleiter will manifest in many, while the more open minded ones will change to mobile services.

Less aggravation, fewer outlays, grateful clients in their own homes etc.

2 friends have already opted for this.

84784 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 1, #843 of 1156 🔗

Wow!! The hairdresser looks like she was more dressed for Chernobyl or Fukushima rather than cutting and styling someone’s hair.

I agree with you. Understanding is one thing but we also need to make our feelings known. And I won’t be surprised if more customers vote with their feet and wallets by going to other hairdressers or resorting to mobile ones or even DIY!

84476 ▶▶ kf99, replying to wendyk, 5, #844 of 1156 🔗

Excellent indeed. “When Covid-19 emerged, many millions of drifting souls, finally forced to confront their own mortality, looked to their governing elite for direction, and unsurprisingly found neither courage nor perspective, just naked fear.”

84490 ▶▶ Fiat, replying to wendyk, 6, #845 of 1156 🔗

Hebrews 9:27.
No one ever saved a life; they just postponed a death

84410 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #846 of 1156 🔗

A Glaswegian with covid 19 sits down in his local doctor’s surgery.

Doctor: ‘Comfy?’

Patient: ‘Ivermectin!’

https://www.trialsitenews.com/well-respected-australian-researcher-consider-triple-therapy-ivermectin-zinc-doxycycline-for-covid-19/

84433 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #847 of 1156 🔗

Rab C Nesbitt, where are you now? We could do with a good Rab rant against the Holyrood heidbangers .

84422 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 28, #848 of 1156 🔗

Text of an email sent to Vistaprint:

“Face masks are not mandated for children under the age of 11 in the U.K. and I find it absolutely reprehensible that Vistaprint are advertising masks suitable for 4 years and above. There is not one single case of a school child passing coronavirus to a teacher and the chances of a child dying of it are less than being struck by lightening. You are stoking unnecessary fear among parents and profiting from the psychological damage being done to children. You should be utterly ashamed.”

84428 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 8, #849 of 1156 🔗

It’s not about the face mask its about the sale. ie if there’s money to be made from any sort of exploitation. Everyone who is doing it should def be ashamed, doubt they will be though.

84440 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #850 of 1156 🔗

Even the likes of the V&A and the National Gallery have jumped on the bandwagon too – anything to make money.

The irony is that the mandatory muzzling has only served to people avoiding visiting them like the plague.

84449 ▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #851 of 1156 🔗

Agreed. Every time a mask advert appears on my iPad I flag it as “inappropriate”. What got me with this one was the deliberate pushing at kids. They could design their own masks and clearly it was aimed at the upcoming start of term. I use Vistaprint quite a lot; I won’t use them again.

84460 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #852 of 1156 🔗

Ditto on Arsebook, I always mark it as “irrelevant” or “inappropriate”

The deliberate pushing at kids is child abuse. If this was before March 2020, Vistaprint would have been hauled before the ASA for misleading advertising and reported to social services for advocating child abuse but now society as a whole is in cahoots with this abomination.

They must be resisted and we need to drive the message how that this is damaging children long term for which there might be no cure.

84538 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #853 of 1156 🔗

Surely saying that a face nappy will help stop the spread of COVIDS is false advertising and also against the claiming of them to be a cure for covid thing is against rules that stop you saying that stuff protect against or stops you getting covids.

I couldn’t used COVID, Coronavirus, Codid19, and a few others as words in my ebay badge sale, they were auto blocked. I wonder if face nappy sales on ebay can use these terms, I bet they can.

84663 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Two-Six, 2, #854 of 1156 🔗

That’s what I thought but it looks like no-one has ever taken any companies to task. That said IIRC a company was censured by ASA back in March for their misleading claims about muzzles.

84469 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #855 of 1156 🔗

On walking through our town shopping area even the shop window mannequins were wearing face masks!

84559 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #856 of 1156 🔗

Saw that too outside a department store in Brixton. Funny enough, it was almost devoid of customers.

84667 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #857 of 1156 🔗

So, a nice face-mask with a print of Van Gogh’s Sunflowers on or a nice William Morris print. God, I despair ….

84786 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, #858 of 1156 🔗

Jesus wept indeed.

84445 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #859 of 1156 🔗

Oh I know. Profiteering off the back of irrational fear. They would have been selling quack remedies during the Black Death.

84450 ▶▶ annie, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #860 of 1156 🔗

They’ll get no more orders from me. I shall tell them why.

84425 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 27, #861 of 1156 🔗

BBC R2 News 07.30
“The Institute of Directors(?) reports that the number of people leaving company payrolls last month was 750,000. There wass also a record drop in the number of self employed. This was a result of the worldwide pandemic.”

No it wasn’t, it was the result if johnsons cowardly refusal to end his lockdown after 3 weeks

84437 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 4, #862 of 1156 🔗

Amendment. It was the ONS figures, anyway johnson deserves all the obloquy coming his way.

84452 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to karenovirus, 4, #863 of 1156 🔗

Thank you for ‘obloquy’. New one to me, I’ve put it in my vocabulary, where I always keep a spare slot.

84535 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 5, #864 of 1156 🔗

It’s only for THREE WEEKS, just to flatten the sombrero, Fwah fwahh!

84434 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 19, #865 of 1156 🔗

Covid has more or less gone but we are now suffering from testing-mania. Compared to tackling Covid, overcoming testing mania is going to be much harder. The news this morning said that 2/3ds of parents were frightened of sending their children back to school! frightened of what???????????? Getting a +ve test result that says you have a virus that is so asymptomatic you would not otherwise know you had it?
You do wonder about the value of education if 2/3rds of parents think this way?

In our supposed sophisticated technological age we seemed to have gone right back to medieval witch hunting, the witch hunter (covid test) finds witches everywhere and we all panic and burn our integrity, sanity and our economy at the stake.

In my view testing should be scaled back, done really well and focussed on areas where nosocomial infections are a risk (hospitals care homes etc.)

84448 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #866 of 1156 🔗

I simply do not believe that 2/3rds of parents are afraid of sending their kids back to school. Only anecdotal I know, but most of the kids at my daughter’s nursery have been back for some time now with no social distancing etc, and most parents I know (even ones who buy into the deadly virus narrative) are happy to take their kids to play with their friends. Who commissions these polls?

Completely agree about the testing.

84489 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #867 of 1156 🔗

Figures relating to the Irish Republic appear to bear out much what you say. In the Republic Covid hospital admissions, as far as I can work it out, are presently running at less than one a day – as low as they have ever been since March – but “cases” per week are now more than six times what they were six weeks ago!

84730 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ned of the Hills, #868 of 1156 🔗

And some of those cases will have ‘self presented’ because they might actually have it.

84568 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #869 of 1156 🔗

I wouldn’t put much stock into polls. Firstly, they can basically generate whatever result they want. If I posted on here saying “do you think the lockdown is right” I could then claim that 100% of people disagree with the lockdown. Second, even if the polling itself isn’t fiddled, then the questions can be phrased in such a way to get whatever outcome they want. I guarantee that the question you mentioned would have been phrased as “are you at all worried about sending your child back to school?” then the answers would have been “not at all”, “a little”, etc, and any answer that wasn’t a not at all would have been put down in the figure you gave. And to be fair, I’d be frightened of sending my child back to school, not for anything to do with the virus, but because of the absolute lunacy they appear to want to thrust on them, but that would be counted in the 2/3’s of “frightened” people.

84616 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #870 of 1156 🔗

we are now suffering from testing-mania.”…. “parents were frightened of sending their children back to school!”

This is clearly all part of a deliberate strategy. The simple incompetence model doesn’t stretch quite that far.

It is clear that government and its satraps have found a control mechanism that they are loathe to part with, despite the obvious damage that it is doing from practically any angle. The normal tension between harm and benefit has been totally erased in the pursuit of overwhelming harm to the many for the benefit of the few. Monopoly capitalism writ large in the power stakes.

I reckon that the Fear evidenced by parents is absolutely genuine – if unsupported by rationality. After all, it has been the central plank of the psy-ops.The insane religious faith in blanket testing is

I have never known such a sinister time as this – it is truly medieval.

84756 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Steve Martindale, #871 of 1156 🔗

Turns out the drive to ramp up testing of (asymptomatic) school children emanates from the ‘global health governance programme’ at the Univ of – Edinburgh! (Delves report). Although the lead researcher does have the grace to say that a cost benefit analysis should be carried out,
Totally agree with you Steve that focus should be on hospitals, care homes, known sites of transmission to populations genuinely at risk. I suspect most teachers in London/SE who were going to get it have already had it, back in Feb, March, caught it off pupils back from skiing trips, Xmas at family 2nd home in Spain, etc .

84435 FrankiiB, replying to FrankiiB, 21, #873 of 1156 🔗

Exams debacle

As a teacher, former head I would say:
1. The Scottish system is a nightmare with standards destroyed by SNP. The radical left unions want to bring it to England!
2. The exams problems are ultimately due to the lockdown and cancelling exams, which was wrong. They could have been delayed, then gone ahead, like Germany
3. I am aware that teachers gave a rank order of their students to the exam boards and this HAS been used. They also had the opportunity to submit evidence if they felt this years cohort was better than last year. Few, if any, did.
4. Teachers also submitted estimates grades which were massively inflated and are notoriously unreliable on past experience
5. Grade inflation does no one any good. International comparisons show the UK standards are NOT rising so grad inflation is not warranted.
6. It is not in students interest to inflate grades. Teachers, facing performance related pay, are pursuing nakedly selfish reasons for complaining about downgrading.
7. It was a condition of entry that teachers were not allowed to share estimated grades with students. If they are using students disappointment as a political tool because they have broken this condion then this shows gross misconduct of professionalism.
8. Personally, I would forget being nice about teachers not turning up for work in September. Stop their pay immediately. That’s what I’d do as a head. The unions can take me to tribunal and if they win I can reinstate their pay. But the message to other staff will teach them a lesson and be well worth it. And the unions will not be able to cope or afford to support a large number of cases like this, so will need to change tack. This would show their membership the folly of extreme far left campaigning destroying our childrens lives.

Sorry for lecture! Those are my views.

84444 ▶▶ annie, replying to FrankiiB, 8, #875 of 1156 🔗

You’re entirely right about grade oredictions. I was a Principal Examiner for years and got to compare predicted grades with actual. Unscrupulous schools over-predicted massively. Honest schools didn’t. Their pupils will lose out because of this integrity.

84477 ▶▶ Basics, replying to FrankiiB, 2, #876 of 1156 🔗

Point 2. Spot on. It was a baked in scandal from the moment they chose the algorithm option. Likewise it’s going to be the identical scene in England. Gremany and common sense was the way.

What valid reason could there be for the direction chosen all those months ago?

Another fair critism of Holyrood is that they were warned ahead of time but allowed the proverbial to hit the fan.

84492 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to FrankiiB, 2, #877 of 1156 🔗

Agree with everything you have said. ‘Take no prisoners’ should have been the government’s objective with the teachers and train drivers unions from the outset, although it is now obvious, even if it wasn’t then, that Boris and Co are lacking a spine. It was clear from teachers unions on Twitter in mid-March, they were primed and ready to go with the unofficial ‘we are all at home having to self isolate because we have a sniffle’ strike action, and just needed the signal. That was duly provided by the Ferguson death model.

84531 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to FrankiiB, 1, #878 of 1156 🔗

They want all children to be educated by Google, a standardised education is the only way to ensure they can save the planet. No need for schools, well perhaps two days a week just to ensure compliance with a wider range of norms, like a weekly discipline booster shot.
BUT THAT’S IT

84436 Basics, replying to Basics, 9, #879 of 1156 🔗

Just an interesting comparison to make between protest numbers. Yesterday a protest was held outside holyrood for the exam grade fiasco. I popped myself along. I kept my distance since I did not want to swell their numbers. At the start time that had been advertised in local press and elsewhere there we ‘serveral’ protestors. A few other possibles standing off waiting to see if anyone showed up. They did show up – the photograph here proves they did: https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/my-son-lost-place-university-18747306

Picture shows 3 miffed pupils with cardboard signs. As bereft of numbers as the extinction rebellion playschool outings of last year.

So, it doesn’t matter at all about numbers. There is another process at work when it comes to ptotesting and their place in our democracy. Protests are used by the government to create a narrative around – every which way a protest goes there is a preused government spin-plan.

84527 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 1, #880 of 1156 🔗

I went to an stinkshion bellion rally, last year. What I saw appalled me and it was also quite scary. A totally state sanctioned and promoted “demonstration” involving about 200 school girls (mostly) and boys and a handful of others including a bevvy of local political actors who were getting a chance to posture in public. It really looked like a Hitler Youth Rally. The kids just totally brainwashed.

84681 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Two-Six, 1, #881 of 1156 🔗

The whole thing last year was extremely fishy.They allowed them to close all the bridges in London and set up camp in Marble Arch for days on end last year.The police were dancing with the protesters and riding skateboards.

84689 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #882 of 1156 🔗

Scottish government facillitated a camping area for protesters to camp on the holyrood lawn.complete with fence and security to protect the protesters.

State sanctioned controlled opposition. The odour of really unpleasant secret opperatives was strong.

84697 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, 1, #883 of 1156 🔗

They have found/devised a better vehicle for their repression than the global warming scam.I think we had 10 years to save the world about 15 years ago

84724 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #884 of 1156 🔗

Tuvalu is still with us, it was supposed to have sunk beneath the waves 10 years ago.
You might think Greta would be happy for them.

84438 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #885 of 1156 🔗

Albert Camus called it philosophical suicide when individuals abandon reason to take a ‘leap of faith’. Too many would rather take the jump than face the unpalatable truth.

I would put money on a majority of those people owning at least one Coldplay album.

84442 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #886 of 1156 🔗

I thought we had to have a Coldplay album. Isn’t it law, now? My friend did say you don’t need one cos it’s just guidance, but best to be safe innit?

84455 ▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #887 of 1156 🔗

I have never owned a Coldplay album, regrettably a household member does, although he no longer inflicts it on me. I suppose I should thank him as we may now escape the 3am knock on the door.

84458 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Strange Days, 1, #888 of 1156 🔗

I’ve never even heard anything by them [Thank you, Lord].

84461 ▶▶▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to IanE, #889 of 1156 🔗

Apparently they’re very soporific!

84612 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to smileymiley, #890 of 1156 🔗

Not a group to play while driving?

84447 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #891 of 1156 🔗

Another example of how the sheep don’t read things properly (if at all), but go offf what they’ve heard. Comment from BBC article on the 50% eat-out discount, which is *capped* at £10 per person:

“If two people use scheme and bill is less than £20, then the government is providing a free lunch.

And there is no such thing as a free lunch.

The only thing Sunak has done so far is to spend public money like its going out of fashion.”

He’s not quite getting it, is he? Last bit right, though.

84457 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #892 of 1156 🔗

I think it’s the ‘%’ that fools them – so many people clearly don’t understand it (hence, I suspect, the ludicrous result that women think 10% of our population has been killed with covid). Maths education just isn’t what it used to be!

84466 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to IanE, 3, #893 of 1156 🔗

Let’s face it, IanE, ’50’ or ‘£10’ or ‘2’ or ‘multiply’ will pretty much fool most of ’em!

84508 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #894 of 1156 🔗

Or as Prof Ferguson would put it: 500,000 or 10 million per cent or 2 to the power of 10 – whichever is the largest.

84467 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to IanE, 2, #895 of 1156 🔗

A woman asked me yesterday what 10% deaths meant
7 million that’s all of London

84478 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to karenovirus, 3, #896 of 1156 🔗

So that’s why they made us wear masks. Hancock said there were 75% more male shop workers dying and if 10% is like 7 million, 75% must be err, well, like all the shop workers. All the shop workers are dead! Aieee, we’ll all get it next… duck and cover!!

84521 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #897 of 1156 🔗

That 75% Twatt Handjob used was taken from the idea that 75 shop workers died of covids out of the whole of the UK’s population.

84456 Sally, replying to Sally, 16, #898 of 1156 🔗

Victoria facing years of mandatory masks and restrictions

Victoria’s “end game” with COVID-19 no longer includes eliminating the virus but a permanent change to daily life for years.

It’s getting really extreme down here.

84473 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Sally, 10, #899 of 1156 🔗

Freudian slip by the Prof in this article:

“There may be a path that has very, very low case numbers with a kind of baseline level restrictions, universal mark wearing, changed human behaviours very broadly applied across the population that can keep numbers low,” Professor Sutton said.

Does he mean the mark of the Beast?

84480 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mr Dee, 6, #900 of 1156 🔗

The mark of the beast is a number, and it’s number is N95…

84503 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #901 of 1156 🔗

The mask is the mark of the bleaters…

84565 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mr Dee, #902 of 1156 🔗

Could mean mark as in the target of a scam artist.

84474 ▶▶ anon, replying to Sally, 15, #903 of 1156 🔗

are you guys just going to take this?

genuinely believed Aussies had quite a bit more of a gritty distrust of this kind of bs

84481 ▶▶ Hammer Onats, replying to Sally, 9, #904 of 1156 🔗

I’m amazed that a nation who portray themselves as tough guys have turned into a bunch of hysterical bed wetters.

84496 ▶▶▶ Aremen, replying to Hammer Onats, 6, #905 of 1156 🔗

I’ve mentioned my son’s mate in Australia in a previous post. I understand from him that the modern Australian male is very different to the Crocodile Dundee image. Very – dare I say? – soy boy.

84609 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Aremen, 1, #906 of 1156 🔗

My 20 year old Aus cousin (×?removed) visited at the Millennium,he had the makings of a real mans man.
We spent an afternoon rootling around a car parts yard looking for a carburetor for the old banger he was driving. Mind you he earned his living laying parquet flooring and did a bit over here pay his way.
His only mistake was to ask if all whiskies tasted the same which led to an interesting evening.
No idea how his children might be turning out.

84505 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Hammer Onats, 3, #907 of 1156 🔗

I guess they do have their brains fried for three months every year. Bound to have some effect.

84540 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Hammer Onats, 5, #908 of 1156 🔗

I met an Australian friend of my brother’s yesterday. I told her that I would never, ever wear a mask. She looked at me incredulously, wide-eyed, as though I’d gone mad. “But… but… why not?” I told her I regarded it as completely ineffective, and a symbol of authoritarian, totalitarian repression. Her jaw lolled open in incomprehension.

84511 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sally, #909 of 1156 🔗

Isn’t that what they want in the U.K. too?

84512 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Sally, 1, #910 of 1156 🔗
84516 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 1, #911 of 1156 🔗

They now say that she had exemption for mask and was arrested for other charges according to one local news media.So unclear.

84513 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Sally, 3, #913 of 1156 🔗

There’s a thread on Linked in about masks and lots of people think that yes you should wear them, even using the Urination Example.

The problem is that to paraphrase I Robot, it’s the wrong question. Does wearing a mask slow or reduce the spread of a virus in the population? Looking at all the countries, as Israeli scientists did, and using the reported data (we need to consider noise in measurement) there is no effect.

The same way that wearing seat belts do not reduce road deaths. In fact they actually cause them to plateau in many cases, so actively preventing a downward trend.

Simple answer: systematic compensation.

Simply put if masks are mandated why not open carry? Open carry reduces the amount of petty crime but in general does not significantly affect homicide rate.

84471 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #914 of 1156 🔗

Flu down by 50%
Common cold by 80%

Royal college of GPs saying today.
Reasons given two fold. Covid measures and not presenting.

No mention of symptoms being the same as corona- covid19.

Flu is preventable through vaccination he says. Really quite surprised because I don’t have that opinion. Drive thru flu vaccine centres.

Video call GPs forever? Prof Martin Marshall suggests in person is really important college asking for a balance. Face to face was down to 10% currently at 30% – 50% might be the right amount.

Sky new live interview

84482 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Basics, 7, #915 of 1156 🔗

What I want to know is: what were hospitals and GP’s doing to stop flu infections in the past? Surely they weren’t knowingly spreading it and killing their patients, were they? And what are they going to do to stop spreading flu in future?
Perhaps we should close hospitals and surgeries permanently, as they are obviously dangerous places to be.

84486 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to WhyNow, 8, #916 of 1156 🔗

Well, last time I went to the doctor’s it was full of sick people, so you could have something.

84498 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to WhyNow, 4, #917 of 1156 🔗

Yes. We will be invited to forget the past and told to adopt the mask for the future.

84499 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to WhyNow, 5, #918 of 1156 🔗

A question that has occurred to me and I think the answer is yes – they happily crammed us into unventilated waiting rooms in the sure knowledge that some old and vulnerable patients would die as a result. And what about dentists? Pretty obvious that in the past we will have been sharing other patients’ pathogens which will have found their way on to the dentist’s clothing, arm rests and so on.

84522 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to OKUK, 2, #919 of 1156 🔗

As a boy I had to wait outside the chemist when collecting my asthma tablets, all the talc fumes set me off on an asthma attack.

84510 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to WhyNow, 7, #920 of 1156 🔗

Nothing. Our GP didn’t even bother opening a window in the stuffy crowded waiting room and pretty much forced everyone to use a touch screen check-in system rather than bother a receptionist. You were free to infect everyone with whatever you happened to have. Those were the days…

84561 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to WhyNow, 1, #921 of 1156 🔗

Answer to your first question is isolation hospitals and proper nursing.

84775 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 2, #922 of 1156 🔗

Actually most of us with flu just went to bed for a day or two, then spent a couple of weeks resting at home till we didn’t feel weak and wobbly any more.
The rest were treated in hospital, as necessary.

Common colds? LIfe tended to just go on pretty much as normal – we just took a load of extra (men’s) hankies with us – it was before tissues.

84548 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Basics, 3, #923 of 1156 🔗

That’s very interesting actually. Do they mean compared to the average for this time of year? This is about what it looks like in the US:

https://syndromictrends.com/metric/panel/rp/percent_positivity/organism/main

I was wondering what the exact numbers were. If these are down by 50% it implies that we’ve halved R0 through changes in behaviour. I don’t mean the lockdowns and all the sticky tape and masks, but the hand-washing and carefulness that started before then.

This implies that when we get fully back to normal we can perhaps expect about a doubling of the total number of SARS2 infections (above what normally happens in the winter). But I think probably people are going to carry on being careful for some time.

What will be interesting to see is what happens this winter– will it be a return of SARS2 or will one of the other coronaviruses dominate? My guess is the latter and that SARS2 will be back in a few years.

84675 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to guy153, 1, #924 of 1156 🔗

Yes there was no citing of source for the percentages given. Is there ever by these talking heads. Suppose the source falls under martin marshall.

I should have mentiined no source given in my comment. Dashing at the time.

84789 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to guy153, 1, #925 of 1156 🔗

The way Uncle Bill giggles hysterically when he talks about “the next one” should have us all worried.

84595 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basics, 1, #926 of 1156 🔗

This has distorted all reporting of illness. The ‘InProportion’ website had an interesting bar-chart of the incidence of non-seasonal diseases. The drop in all of them is a vivid illustration of the actuarial effect of Covid:

http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/cause_of_death_20jul.html

Of course, buggering normal social interaction will have some effect on normal infections. No doubt some idiots will suddenly see the future of mankind in pre-empting death by imitating it.

As to face-to face appointments and the current knicker-wetting by GPs who should have more knowledge that the average duggie – there has been a problem with over-use (as also in A&E). But this is no way forward.

84793 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, 1, #927 of 1156 🔗

I’ve avoided GPs and treated myself for decades. Maybe others have discovered how to do that for minor things. Or even that if you don’t do anything, our bodies tend to magically heal themselves anyway!

84773 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, 1, #928 of 1156 🔗

A couple of weeks ago, de Piffle was informing us that everybody should get flu jabbed before winter. They’ve ordered millions of extra doses……

84479 Hammer Onats, replying to Hammer Onats, 15, #929 of 1156 🔗

A lot of “celebs” now claiming to be Covid “long haulers”. These cretins will do anything to keep themselves in the public domain.

84484 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Hammer Onats, 6, #930 of 1156 🔗

It’s the new Lyme Disease.

84497 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Hammer Onats, 8, #931 of 1156 🔗

Wouldn’t surprise me if they were n’t encouraged to come forward.There is a SPI-B document somewhere that talks about using ‘celebrities’ to Promote the Governments Covid message.

84501 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 11, #932 of 1156 🔗

Part of event 201. Using influencers (celebs now a mere sub species) to “flood the zone”.

The zone being every touch point between the peasants and the system.

84517 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 6, #933 of 1156 🔗

Do you recall a similarly blatant piece of nudging before the Brexit referendum? Keira Knightley et al ;’Don’t fuck with our future’…..that went down a treat didn’t it?

84550 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to wendyk, 1, #934 of 1156 🔗

The mechanisms before Brexit weren’t at all like this – for a start, the media were largely pushing Brexit, instead of the blanket stuff we have now.

84592 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 8, #935 of 1156 🔗

Clearly in touch with a different media than me. It was non-stop panic mongering on how the world would end if we voted for Brexit.

84630 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to RickH, 3, #936 of 1156 🔗

In my view there was the very same panic from the same suspects ,who are now doing the suspended -animation -in -isolation is the only way to survive this terrifying,end- of-life- as -we- know- it pathogen.

The similarities are there for all to see.

84500 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hammer Onats, 8, #937 of 1156 🔗

According to the BBC yesterday if you feel a bit tired for a few days it proves you’re a Victim of Long Covid.

84504 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to karenovirus, 18, #938 of 1156 🔗

Does it get you down? Restrict your movement? Make you angry? Yeah, I’ve had it for six months, now.

84507 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to karenovirus, 11, #939 of 1156 🔗

Interesting.

I put it down to getting less exercise, a worse diet, having virtually zero social interaction for six months and basically living in Ground Hog day.

84552 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cicatriz, 10, #940 of 1156 🔗

… and simply just the psychological effects of living in a depressing country that has been broken and covered in shit by a corrupt and incompetent government for 6 months.

Christ! – they’ll try anything to divert attention from the reality

84533 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to Hammer Onats, 10, #941 of 1156 🔗

Because not enough people are dying now the Covid Fanatics have now switched to promoting this long covid thing. As if post viral fatigue and other longer term issues are unknown with flu…

What is it with these people? You’d think they’d be glad that covid 19 was disappearing and less people were dying or becoming really sick.

84536 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to The Spingler, 5, #942 of 1156 🔗

It’s the ‘me me me’ victim culture.

I remember going to a gig a few decades ago by a band called Black Box Recorder, and the lyrics of one of their songs still sticks in my head all these years later: “Life is unfair, Kill yourself or get over it.”

84557 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #943 of 1156 🔗

It’s not so much ‘victim’ culture as fake ‘hero’ culture. Thus all the sickening fight’ imagery, as if this was another Dunkirk rather than a mass surrender to Fear, Panic and Bullshit on an epic scale.

84579 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to RickH, 4, #944 of 1156 🔗

I chatted to a very elderly (but robust) gentleman a few days before the Lockdown began in March. He told me that he’d experienced German bombs raining down on him in the middle of the desert (he must have been involved in Operation Torch), and that a mere virus was nothing to worry about. I’d love to get his opinion on how things have panned out a few months later. I’m sure he’s utterly ashamed of the generations he risked his life for.

84708 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Mr Dee, #945 of 1156 🔗

“I think you’ll find that Operation Torch was a US operation in North Africa….” (delivered in a really nasal, whiny voice) 🤓

84710 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #946 of 1156 🔗

The elderly I spoke to before lockdown all said the disease should run it’s course as usual. They still say so now.

84537 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to The Spingler, 4, #947 of 1156 🔗

Post disappointment eschatology. So what happened to the end of the world? What do you mean, it already happened? How so? Ever noticed how tired you get at night these days? Etc etc.

84563 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Hammer Onats, 3, #948 of 1156 🔗

Celebs are best ignored. If they want to be respected again they should go back to the Golden Age of Hollywood – focus on the acting, singing or whatever it is they do and do not utter anything without a script.

84485 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 14, #949 of 1156 🔗

Is anyone else hearing of lots of redundancies being made yesterday?

My social media feeds seem to be full of people who we’re laid off yesterday, and staff at my company said when they we ringing customers yesterday that lots were mentioning that mass redundancies were being made yesterday.

It would seem to tie in with the Furlough Scheme changing as employers have to pay NI and Pension contribution from this month.

84488 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to JohnB, 19, #950 of 1156 🔗

None in the public sector through. Or universities, or quangos, or the BBC, or the judiciary, the CPS. All fully funded and not working.

84509 ▶▶ matt, replying to JohnB, 8, #951 of 1156 🔗

It makes sense. It won’t have to do with the NI contributions kicking in this month, but with the scheme ending completely in October. Good practice is a minimum 6 week consultation period (especially if you’re making a number of redundancies), which means the actual job losses will be happening as the furlough scheme ends.

84532 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to matt, 4, #952 of 1156 🔗

The other thing is the new Kickstart scheme. Lots of workers 25 and over will be being made unemployed and replaced with 16-24 year olds who wages are subsidised.

84618 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to JohnB, 2, #953 of 1156 🔗

Trickier, that one. I’m sure you’re right that it will happen over time, but you’re on very dodgy ground if you make redundancies and then re-hire into the same (or very similar) roles. Don’t forget, when you make someone redundant, it’s the job you’re saying is no longer required, not the individual.

84634 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to JohnB, 2, #955 of 1156 🔗

The official government line on this is that they knew this would happen.

84524 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 14, #956 of 1156 🔗

While I do believe we need to put in place economic stimulus measures, I am sceptical about the “eat out” subsidy. It seems to apply to home delivery and takeaway establishments as long as they have a restaurant facility as well. Are people actually “eating out”?

I’d prefer a form of quantitative easing. Effectively give every adult a time limited gift card that can be spent in shops, but not for online purchases. Combine that with dropping the mask nonsense. You’d soon find shops were busy again.

84541 ▶▶ Will, replying to OKUK, 5, #957 of 1156 🔗

You could probably give every adult in the country a thousand pounds and it would work out cheaper than the various stimulus packages.

84544 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Will, 11, #958 of 1156 🔗

Morally, it would be more appropriate to give every sceptic a hundred thousand pounds as a reward for having been right and for not having contributed to the disaster in the first place, on condition we go out and spend it to celebrate the end of any and all panic measures.

84620 ▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Mark, 2, #959 of 1156 🔗

Gets my vote!

84556 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to OKUK, 1, #960 of 1156 🔗

Is that what they used call helicoptor money ?

84577 ▶▶ davews, replying to OKUK, 3, #961 of 1156 🔗

I had a ‘eat out to help out’ meal last week, very nice it was as well. The pub/restaurant was busy but still available tables, whether it is quieter on the non discount days I don’t know but for a pub in London docklands it would normally be jam packed. Let us hope they do get my tenner back from the government.

84526 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 10, #962 of 1156 🔗

All cause deaths lower than five year average for seventh week running, as at w/e 31/7.

84528 ▶▶ anon, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #963 of 1156 🔗

put your mask on!

oh man what a nonsense

84529 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #964 of 1156 🔗

Would likely be even lower without lockdown-attributable deaths.

84545 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, 5, #965 of 1156 🔗

This getting serious. They’re going to have to start making up all-cause deaths as well as those attributed to Covid.

(see recent CEBM demolition job about CFR)

84553 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Sam Vimes, 10, #966 of 1156 🔗

When this all started I really thought that when the death rates dropped it would all be over, how wrong can you be? Seven weeks of registered deaths below the 5 year average and we are still taking action against this ‘deadly lethal’ disease.
How will this ever end, how do you bring people to their senses?

84567 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #967 of 1156 🔗

You have to ask yourself, why is there no-one on the telly saying “But prime minister, all cause deaths are down… masks don’t work …” etc., etc. These things are staring us in the face.

84571 ▶▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #968 of 1156 🔗

Because the media is part of the same agenda.

84587 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to John Galt, 5, #969 of 1156 🔗

Agreed, there’s no other explanation.

84627 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #970 of 1156 🔗

Yeah, that’s right. It’s a large reason why many people are struggling to come around on this thing even with the pathetic numbers staring them in the face – they can either go along with the lie or they can come to the realisation that every institution they know is lying to them. I think it’s cowardly, but I can understand on a logical level why they won’t confront it.

84701 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to John Galt, #971 of 1156 🔗

“Small earthquake in Argentina not many dead”.

84572 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #972 of 1156 🔗

But they are not ‘staring us in the face’ because all the faces are covered! At least I was not the only unmasked customer in Tesco this morning.

84636 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #973 of 1156 🔗

The focus will be on cases – and if there isn’t enough at home, they can always focus on what is happening world wide. Sure, wasn’t that after being done this very morn on Radio 4? if I recall rightly. 20 million world wide! A new bench mark passed. A new terrifying statistic.

84704 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #974 of 1156 🔗

By next week it will be about Contacts.
Contacts by those who might be Cases so ×10, no make it × 20.

84534 guy153, replying to guy153, 7, #975 of 1156 🔗

I don’t know if a link to this has been posted, but yesterday I heard about some research into masks that apparently involved putting them on hamsters:

https://www.understandinganimalresearch.org.uk/news/research-medical-benefits/masks-reduce-covid-19-transmission-between-hamsters/

Well like anyone I wanted to see pictures of the cute hamsters with masks on… It turns out there aren’t any because they never did that. Instead they put a shield between their cages made of surgical mask material:

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3084779/coronavirus-hamster-research-proof-effectiveness

Please award those guys the Nobel Prize for the Bleeding Obvious.

84539 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to guy153, 6, #976 of 1156 🔗

There’s an old saying “mice lie and monkeys exaggerate” [1], but the hamster study is grossly wrong for another reason:- hamsters and humans have different lung capacity, so the breathing mechanics aren’t event similar, dumbarses!

1. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22156840/

84546 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to guy153, 8, #977 of 1156 🔗

The OH went to the Tank Museum at Bovington last Friday. The display of WWI tanks has ‘talking’ model horses next to them explaining the evolution of horses to tanks in warfare. If that isn’t ridiculous enough all the model horses are currently wearing face masks……

84551 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to The Spingler, 2, #978 of 1156 🔗

Lol, there was a post here a while back of a fashion store putting masks on the window mannequins.
What next, car crash dummies ?

84586 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to karenovirus, 3, #979 of 1156 🔗

The beginnings of a mentally sick society

84564 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to The Spingler, 4, #980 of 1156 🔗

You’d think any horse that had experienced the trauma of total war would be exempt from mask-wearing.

84584 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #981 of 1156 🔗

Horses wearing masks? Why all the long faces?

84585 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to The Spingler, 1, #982 of 1156 🔗

Perhaps because of the muzzle zealots they employ to spend the day inside the horses and act as their “voice”…

I think I need more coffee…

84722 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #983 of 1156 🔗
84543 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 40, #984 of 1156 🔗

A friend called me last night to tell me that her Father is dying because his cancer has spread all over his body. He normally has to have regular tests to check that the cancer he had previously had not returned, but due to the reduced NHS services and focus on COVID-19 these tests were no longer available.

He collapsed over the weekend, I’d like to say they rushed him to hospital but the Ambulance took 2 hours to arrive even though all his symptoms were consistent with having a stroke! He was examined yesterday as the NHS doesn’t work over the weekend, and the cancer has spread throughout his whole body now due to it being unchecked, he did have a stroke because of this new spread, and now only has weeks to live. He is currently in hospital and not being allowed visitors because of COVID-19 restrictions!

He can’t be the only one this is happening to, there must be thousands like this at the moment.

Forgive me if I don’t clap for the NHS, but I am sick to the back teeth of the NHS staff at the moment. They can spend loads of time rehearsing and performing dance routines on platforms (said in the loosest of terms) like Facebook, Twitter, YouTube & TikTok, but they cannot provide the services that they are supposed to be running, and which we’ve contributed all our working lives to.

84547 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to JohnB, 21, #985 of 1156 🔗

Truly, truly horrible. As we’ve all said before, the MSM should be all over this type of story, but they’re not. Shame on them, shame on the NHS and shame on the cretinous MPs who have allowed this to happen.

Pity there isn’t some sort of database where these incidences can be collated so that the full scale of the horror they have unleashed can be quantified.

I’m so very sorry for your friend and her father …

84562 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, 16, #986 of 1156 🔗

I was fuming last night when I spoke to her. The Doctors, Nurses, Specialists, etc are culpable for this with their silence. They should be calling this out everyday, and it should be all over the media that people are not receiving treatment and monitoring for their conditions, and that early diagnosis is not being done. People are too scared to visit A&E and GP surgeries or don’t want to be a burden on the NHS, so they are just sitting on symptoms that need to be checked.

84566 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JohnB, 5, #987 of 1156 🔗

I’m not surprised. Whatever happened to ‘Do no harm’?

84582 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 4, #988 of 1156 🔗

It was replaced with “do no harm, unless we pay you with a bucket of credits”

84742 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, #989 of 1156 🔗

I’m not surprised they don’t want to visit GP’s having read some of the comments here about biohazard obstacles that need to be crossed. Just confirms their fears.

84554 ▶▶ Liam, replying to JohnB, 6, #990 of 1156 🔗

I found out the other day that a woman I was once close to died of cancer recently, undetected because the National Homicide Service stopped doing any actual non-Covid work in March. Ten year old boy with no Mum now.

84555 ▶▶ anon, replying to JohnB, 5, #991 of 1156 🔗

v sad to hear.

quite disgusting behaviour. what goes through these medics’ heads when they inform patients that cancer has spread like this? when they have shutdown regular testing due to ‘covid’? they must know it is bullshit and now people are going to die.

I’d go and retrieve him from hospital if it were my dad

84569 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to anon, 8, #992 of 1156 🔗

They are going to remove him today from the hospital so that he can see out the rest of his days at home with his family.

84623 ▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to JohnB, 5, #993 of 1156 🔗

pleased to hear that

ask for morphine if he is in pain

84570 ▶▶ davews, replying to JohnB, 8, #994 of 1156 🔗

That is truly awful but sadly a situation that will be repeated many times in our current circumstances. I was fortunate in getting my annual PSA test for prostate cancer done before lockdown but previously it would have been accompanied with a hospital appointment with the consultant. I can only conclude the results were satisfactory as I have not been contacted. I know a friend who was due to see a consultant just before lockdown on his hip issues, he has spent the whole of lockdown in agony at home and no idea when he will get treated. I am glad I never joined in the clapping for NHS which some in our street did.

84578 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to davews, 4, #995 of 1156 🔗

Very sorry, Skipper. I don’t really get ill, well so far. But it’s quite frightening to think that if I did, there would basically be nothing there for me. Or for anyone else.

84580 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to davews, 4, #996 of 1156 🔗

Never did too, why couldnt people see through something as ridiculous as clapping in the street, no wonder they think they can get away with all the rest of the rubbish

84573 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to JohnB, 1, #997 of 1156 🔗

Horrendous, must be many many more in this desperate situation. Staff not speaking out for obvious reasons?

84576 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #998 of 1156 🔗

The silence from the NHS is deafening.

84679 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #999 of 1156 🔗

They were all told weeks ago that they would be sacked if they spoke to the media (inc twatter etc) about most of them sitting around because the Covid, or no Covid as it happens.
Our oncology closed, eye unit closed, haematology closed, orthopaedic closed. Sshhh, it’s a secret.

84575 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to JohnB, 3, #1000 of 1156 🔗

Sickening and so sorry for the torment and pain needlessly inflicted on your friend, her father and family.

Anna Brees would get this story out there I think, would your friend be happy to contact her. Also Peter Hitchens.

84597 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sarigan, 7, #1001 of 1156 🔗

The family has swallowed all the brainwashing since the beginning of lockdown. Even when I said to my friend last night that this was down to reduced services in the NHS and that her father should still have been having these tests regularly to see if the cancer had come back, there was still very little response on it.

All this propaganda over the past five months has conditioned people into thinking we’re living in a war zone, and that the NHS is working flat out fighting this with every single resource it has, and that we should be grateful for whatever NHS treatment we can get.

I’m fuming about it and it’s not even my own father, but they just seem to be accepting of it and can’t see that it was totally avoidable.

84657 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to JohnB, 4, #1002 of 1156 🔗

Tip of the iceberg.Friends dads chemo stopped halfway through course in March.Cancer is now terminal and he’s in hospital alone waiting to die.No visitors until he’s close to death

84700 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #1003 of 1156 🔗

Truly disgusting.

84759 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, #1004 of 1156 🔗

They’ll be shell-shocked by his recent deterioration. Just support them as best you can and don’t make things worse by pointing out what’s obvious to us.

84601 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to JohnB, 11, #1005 of 1156 🔗

Terrible news maybe all the people saving our grannies would like to see things like this.

We can start by ripping the disgusting rainbow signs in houses down.

I’ll admit to clapping like a seal with a rubber ball balanced on my nose and feel quite ashamed I did so. Glad to say I’ve woken up.

84604 ▶▶ Liam, replying to JohnB, 1, #1006 of 1156 🔗

Found out the other day a woman I sued to know died of cancer last week, undetected since the NHS stopped doing any actual non-Covid work back in March. Ten year old boy with no Mum now.

84606 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JohnB, 4, #1007 of 1156 🔗

Very sad and very distressing news. This is the sort of thing that media should be shouting from the rooftops and the NHS should be called into account for this sort of thing happening.

Its a disgrace that with society’s obession with a virus, they have allowed other ailments and conditions to fall by the wayside.

The Church of the NHS seriously needs reform. If it can’t reform then it should be dismantled then the UK should move into a healthcare system similar to France, Germany and Sweden.

84696 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #1008 of 1156 🔗

Think of India where months ago the main manufacturers of vaccines for other major diseases bravely announced they would be ceasing production to concentrate on the search for a Covid vaccine.
Not so good if you’ve got polio.

84761 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, #1009 of 1156 🔗

Oh I think the government is well onto that – the dismantling part at least!

84660 ▶▶ Farinances, replying to JohnB, 3, #1010 of 1156 🔗

I mean. This is murder. Isn’t it?

84763 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Farinances, #1011 of 1156 🔗

Quack quack – definitely.

84673 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to JohnB, 1, #1012 of 1156 🔗

Anna Brees ask people do do videos with these injustices. However, can’t remember exactly where to get details. Here is link to her twitter account https://twitter.com/BritainFree/status/1292490409613107202

84558 Liam, 3, #1013 of 1156 🔗

Guess what? Swedish doctor hasn’t seen a Covid patient in weeks.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-dangerous-is-covid-a-swedish-doctor-s-perspective

84574 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1015 of 1156 🔗

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/russia-develops-world-s-first-covid-19-vaccine-putin-s-daughter-gets-vaccinated-11597135192189.html

Putin’s daughter vaccinated with the first vaccine against Covid-19,a Russia vaccine.
Don’t thik it will bcome a hit in the US

84581 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1016 of 1156 🔗

I’d like to see Hancock follow suit with our own rushed through vaccine

84652 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1017 of 1156 🔗

A John Selwyn Gummer moment for Handcock would certainly be appropriate…

84608 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1018 of 1156 🔗

In truth, they will all get placebos.

84619 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Jay Berger, 5, #1019 of 1156 🔗

Yes, it’s a PR stunt. Our lot will do the same when the time comes.

84651 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #1020 of 1156 🔗

Which is all anyone now needs as the disease is now a glorified cold.

84639 ▶▶ anon, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1021 of 1156 🔗

what a load of bollocks!

84666 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1022 of 1156 🔗

It’s been tested for two weeks, Putin says it will be fine.

84583 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 10, #1023 of 1156 🔗
84588 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Sarigan, 8, #1024 of 1156 🔗

Yes, Jacinda Ardern is on TV live – one new confirmed case, and locking down Auckland for 3 days, and restrictions elsewhere!

84591 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1025 of 1156 🔗

So perhaps they’ve got one confirmed

84596 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1026 of 1156 🔗

That’s what I think she said – Sky just cut out of her press conference.

84603 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1027 of 1156 🔗

Yes, Auckland in lockdown, 4 cases of community transmission, they called it

84607 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #1028 of 1156 🔗

I said it from the start:
They will have to live like the Sentinelese from now on and for good, especially so if no effective vaccine is found.
Their whole policy was and is based upon that uncovered cheque becoming bankable.

Or they cime backbto their senses, and accept that they have to open up and take one on the chin, like everyone else had to.
Best way to do that is to follow Sweden’s policies, plus better protection of care homes, plus maybe keeping night clubs closed.
That’s it.

84624 ▶▶▶▶ Wesley, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #1029 of 1156 🔗

Quite. Epidemiology 101!

84640 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Wesley, 5, #1030 of 1156 🔗

I reckon that epidemiology as a discipline has been done untold damage by the fakers who have operated under that label.

84677 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to RickH, 2, #1031 of 1156 🔗

Yep, the term now ranks with ‘journalist’, ‘politician’, ‘hero’, ‘expert’ and the rest.

84590 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1033 of 1156 🔗

Gosh flu in the winter!!

84598 ▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Sarigan, 6, #1034 of 1156 🔗

It will have been bubbling away for the last 4 weeks in New Zealand. Middle August is the equivalent to mid February in the UK…. It will come surely to care homes in NZ as it has to Victoria.

84610 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Peter Thompson, 13, #1035 of 1156 🔗

It just shows the futility with lockdowns and social distancing in any form. You cannot stop a respiratory virus. The social distancing was only invented for a short time period not to overwhelm hospitals. Past that now. Flattening the curve would in the end have the same amount of cases. If this was a flu pandemic we would have lifted all restrictions now.

84654 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Peter Thompson, #1036 of 1156 🔗

September will be when it kicks in… nature finds a way.

84602 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1037 of 1156 🔗

Even more interesting.Doesn’t seem to be the carehome but a family in Auckland

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/423305/watch-live-prime-minister-and-director-general-of-health-hold-media-briefing

84611 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Sarigan, 9, #1038 of 1156 🔗

Let’s say it is “The Virus” and they can’t control it. What do they do then? Stay holed up all winter until it’s gone? Lock down even harder?

I’ll wager there is no “safe word” for them to stop. What would they do if they did stop? Shrug their shoulders and say oh well at least we tried?

How does anybody think this is an intelligent and proportional response?

84644 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1039 of 1156 🔗

Some consolations for Saint Jessica from Finland’s ex female president
“In all countries where women have had a strong position and that have had female leaders, it seems that the situation has gone better,” she assessed. “Our western neighbour Sweden doesn’t seem to be faring all too well, but then again men are in charge there.”
https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/17949-president-halonen-faces-criticism-for-coronavirus-related-radio-remark.html

84656 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1040 of 1156 🔗

Yet Finland has higher excess deaths this year than Sweden…

84659 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1041 of 1156 🔗

ain’t that a bit sexist?

84738 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Sarigan, #1042 of 1156 🔗

On Monday, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the World Health Organization, called New Zealand “a global exemplar.”

84594 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 15, #1043 of 1156 🔗

Dear Lord, keep me out of a care home and an NHS hospital. May I never come under the care of the social services. amen

84605 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1044 of 1156 🔗

I wouldn’t visit our local hospital even if fit and healthy.

84642 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 2, #1045 of 1156 🔗

quite wise. only in an emergency – usually not bad at all in this scenario

84653 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to anon, #1046 of 1156 🔗

Some hospitals require you to book for A&E

84655 ▶▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to karenovirus, #1047 of 1156 🔗

yeah I’m confident you could just turn up

84614 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #1048 of 1156 🔗

I have had a couple of instances with my mother after she had two falls – first due to tripping over the edge of a pot hole in the street that should have been repaired. She ended up in A&E in both cases, then eventually in an intermediate care home. Both hospital visits and care home stay prompted me being on the phone to one or other medical professionals. Subsequent email correspondence with the consultant in charge of her Parkinson’s diagnosis. Unfortunately the only way to get any form of a half-decent ‘service’ is to threaten and hassle as much as possible. It is a zero sum game – they simply back down to those that can, and do, fight and argue the most as they want an easy life. This is sadly at the expense of those who are either on their own, with no immediate family to hand, or where their own socio-economic and educational status is poor. The NHS is a national disgrace. There are some great doctors and nurses, many are doing their jobs perfectly well – no more, no less – and many are not very good at all. They are, though, swimming in a blob of bureaucracy and layers of incompetent pen-pushing political appointments, all of whom should be sacked and their pension rights slashed to average wage.

84635 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #1049 of 1156 🔗

There are some great doctors and nurses, many are doing their jobs perfectly well”

It is important to keep this perspective. I have been a frequent flyer over the past six years, and am alive because of excellent treatment. My constant experience is that the vast majority of staff – at all levels – are good – and often better.

That they are bound into a command and control system that has perverted the NHS should be blamed on those responsible – the current Tory government and their satraps. This is entirely of their making.

84692 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to RickH, 2, #1050 of 1156 🔗

Prior to my experiences with my mother, I also had to intervene with both the nursing team and consultant when my father was battling terminal bowel cancer. Actually, had to remind the consultant about the NICE guidelines. Before then, I had my own brush with death in the late 1990s, and also had to do a lot of my own digging, pushing and various other things. Fortunately my consultant was superb, and she also questioned some of the protocols as I later came to discover. I stick by what I said in the prior post, but I would say it has nothing to do with the government in charge per se (Tory or Labour), nor indeed with austerity. It is an out of control bureaucracy that no government of any colour will take on. In my view it would likely, and counter-intuitively, do better from having less money (to waste). Sir Gerry Robinson (ex Grand Met, Compass, Granada) pointed much of this out when he did the TV series in the mid-2000s.

84615 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #1051 of 1156 🔗

Heavenly Father save me from the meddlesome attention of epidemiologists, behavioural scientists and respected think tanks.

84600 Liam, replying to Liam, 7, #1052 of 1156 🔗

Brace yourself for a shock. Swedish doctor hasn’t seen a single Covid patient in weeks.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-dangerous-is-covid-a-swedish-doctor-s-perspective

84622 ▶▶ Wesley, replying to Liam, 2, #1053 of 1156 🔗

A very useful article! A pity no comments allowed. Wxnkers!

84661 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Wesley, #1054 of 1156 🔗

You can comment if you’re a subscriber (I did). I think they do free trials?

84723 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Liam, 1, #1055 of 1156 🔗

I’m currently on a 3-month trial at £1 per month. That offer may have expired on Sunday though. Have a look.

84617 Paul, replying to Paul, 7, #1056 of 1156 🔗

Perhaps I’m being paranoid but at the moment everything makes me suspicious.
For the past hour or a so a small twin-engined aircraft has being making circuits around the perimeter of my town in Lincolnshire at a constant height and speed.A look on an aircraft tracking site shows it to be a Piper Navajo registration G-BEZL.A bit of online digging shows it to belong to a company called 2Excel Aviation at Doncaster airport.This company does a lot of work for the government (and could even be a front for some sort of government operation in my opinion), doing surveillance and monitoring and border patrolling etc.
You probably think I need my tinfoil hat on,but with the madness of the past months you never know what is going on.Is there anyone with aviation connections on here that knows what this plane is doing ?.

84669 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to IMoz, 2, #1058 of 1156 🔗

out of interest followed this link .. today it has still not landed
yesterday it flew to Grantham then went round in circles for 2 hours
Last thursday flew around Gainsborough for an hour each in the morning and after lunch
Wednesday – same again – Gainsborough twice
Tuesday to Lasham airfield and back.. Lasham is where 2Excel are based

84671 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mjr, 2, #1059 of 1156 🔗

I flew a glider out to Lasham and back home once upon a time.
It would be good to get a good zoomed in picture of it, to see if there is anything going on with it. Anything attached to it or any holes in the floor or hatches open…

84695 ▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to mjr, 1, #1060 of 1156 🔗

what are they up to?!

84632 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Paul, 4, #1061 of 1156 🔗

That is an interesting flight pattern for sure. It looks like a orbit for surveillance. I can’t think of what else it would be especially as its a circular flight path. It’s not a hold or a procedural turn. It did about 10 orbits….yes quite strange.

Small twin engined aircraft like that and the Islander are used by intelligence services. The islander is supposed to be used to scoop up mobile telephone comms. They were used extensively during the hunt for the British Jihadi beheader Jihadi John. Trying to match up voice traces with the ransom message.

84643 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1062 of 1156 🔗

The weather here today has been foggy and has now lifted to haze with complete cloud cover at around 2000 feet I would say,so I can hear it but not see it.I have a passing interest in aviation and I have never seen any plane,civilian or military flying in such a way over this town before.It’s still going round and round !.

84684 ▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to Paul, #1063 of 1156 🔗

which town do you mind my asking? (no worries if you don’t want to say)

84686 ▶▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to anon, #1064 of 1156 🔗

Grantham

84690 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to Paul, 2, #1065 of 1156 🔗

yip sry thanks. struggling with comments loading slowly. I think it says Grantham above already!

84688 ▶▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to anon, #1066 of 1156 🔗

ignore me.

tried to edit and delete above comment but failed

(question is out-of-date)

84668 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Paul, 2, #1067 of 1156 🔗

You can see its recent history in FlightRadar24. From IMoz’s link, scroll down and you will see the most recent 7 days. Yesterday and today it has been flying around Grantham, 5th and 6th August it was doing a similar flight pattern around Gainsborough. For some flights there is no “To” entry in the log.

84670 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #1068 of 1156 🔗

see below .. just beat me to it …..
note the Lasham airfield link to 2Excel

84621 Locked down and out, replying to Locked down and out, 10, #1069 of 1156 🔗

As we keep predicting: A total of 8,946 deaths were registered in England and Wales in the last week of July, according to the ONS – 90 fewer than the five-year average of 9,036. This is the seventh week in a row that deaths have been below the five-year average.
Of the deaths registered in the week to 31 July, 193 mentioned Covid-19 on the death certificate – the lowest number of deaths involving Covid-19 since the week ending March 20 (103 deaths).
So the coronavirus-mentioned figures (not necessarily the actual cause of death) were just 2.15% of all deaths that week!
How long can this madness continue?

84650 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Locked down and out, 5, #1070 of 1156 🔗

11th week in London which the press should have picked up on but still haven’t.
They.must know, surely ?

84716 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1071 of 1156 🔗

How could they not?

Unfortunately, even the ones who display a smidgeon of scepticism don’t seem able to point out that there is no longer any deadly virus left to fear.

Maslow’s first step in operation I’m afraid – roof first, ethics later.

84694 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Locked down and out, 3, #1072 of 1156 🔗

I’ve been mapping all-cause mortality since the beginning of this.It’s not difficult stuff – and any half-competent real journalist should be looking at something similar.

The trend is absolutely clear – and we’ve had nothing unusual happening since mid-June, following the March-April spike. Two months!

This coincides exactly with the CEBM mapping of hospital deaths, ACU occupancy and admissions.

Anyone with an unhypnotized brain should be asking :

“What the f***?” at every idiocy coming out from the vaudeville duo of Handcock and Whitless.

84626 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 14, #1073 of 1156 🔗

Dr Paul Marsden, a chartered psychologist specialising in consumer behaviour, explains the role that “mask psychology” could be having. “Enclothed cognition means the physical sensation of wearing a mask is likely to act as a constant reminder to shoppers that they are living through a pandemic and that their health is under threat.

84628 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 9, #1074 of 1156 🔗

Indeed – Let’s translate : “It’s a visible con to make the gullible think they’re in danger.”

84645 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RickH, 1, #1075 of 1156 🔗

And, dread phrase, ‘giving them agency’ over it.

84711 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Victoria, 1, #1076 of 1156 🔗

The ultimate nudge for the gullible:

‘If you repeat a lie often enough it becomes accepted as truth.’

Goebbels

84629 Victoria, 7, #1077 of 1156 🔗

Covid-19 is no longer a health threat

Think getting a cold for the majority

Think getting flu for the immune compromised

84631 richard riewer, 1, #1078 of 1156 🔗

London Calling Back to School this week is funny at around minute seven when Toby Young brings up a very good point after his experience in a Greta Thunberg-themed pub.

84646 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 14, #1079 of 1156 🔗

Apologies if this had already been posted

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/11/masks-shops-have-killed-impulse-buy-retail-sales-improve/

Article suggests:

“Nick Carroll, an analyst at Mintel, said that current times are “far from normal trading”. He said consumers still appeared uncomfortable “dwelling” in stores for too long which was hitting spending on discretionary goods.“

which sounds reasonable, but then there is also this reference:

“Richard Lim, of analysts Retail Economics, said that the mandatory face mask rules had accelerated this trend as people who would otherwise have popped into a shop while on a day out may be unable to if they did not have their mask.”

No where in the article is the blindingly obvious statement of how unpleasant wearing a face mask is and the suggestion that most would not want to endure this for longer than is necessary.

84674 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to Ozzie, 3, #1080 of 1156 🔗

Hoist with their own petard:-

… There is also evidence that face coverings increase confidence in people to shop. The British Retail Consortium has said that, together with other social distancing measures, face coverings can “make shoppers feel even more confident about returning to the High Street”…

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2020-07-14/debates/93B43A96-E240-4E02-994D-1E6ED3A405DC/CoronavirusUpdate

84678 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to IMoz, 3, #1081 of 1156 🔗

Oh dear! How dim-witted.

84676 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ozzie, 6, #1082 of 1156 🔗

I think that we are not untypical.

We’re not people who see shopping as a recreation and indulge in it for amusement, but we have saved a considerable amount of our fairly average joint household income over the past six months – without thinking about it.

Now – translate that one minor unexceptional example into a situation across the nation of resources not going into the general churn of the economy, then the conclusions are pretty obvious.

84647 Will, replying to Will, 3, #1083 of 1156 🔗

I see Jacinta Canute is locking everyone down again…

84664 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Will, 1, #1084 of 1156 🔗

1 case was it? In 100 odd days.

84687 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Basics, 1, #1085 of 1156 🔗

Baffled as to how they can survive without foreign tourism – 20% of exports apparently (surprised it’s not higher) UK about 5% for comparison.

84702 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Basics, 1, #1086 of 1156 🔗

Has that person been retested twice to make sure? Does anyone actually know who it is?

84699 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Will, 1, #1087 of 1156 🔗

She justified it as (paraphrasing) “the most economically appropriate course of action, in the long term”

84649 mjr, 8, #1088 of 1156 🔗

Observations from my weekly unmasked shopping trip

Aldi. Quiet . All the other customers were masked except one guy with a mask round his neck whilst wired up to his phone. Staff on the floor masked as per Aldi rules. New till opened so i said to the now unmasked assistant ” i bet youre glad to remove that” . He agreed and pointed to the bad face rash he now has on his cheeks which he said the mask causes. I said he should report it.

Then went into B&M- Again customers masked. Staff not masked.

Then went to local chemist (part of a chain) Was chatting for ages. They were wearing masks under chin. Said that it was company rules. But no challenge to me, I explained about my exemption ( distress ) and they werent aware of this. They were very cynical about the whole covid issue. The pharmacist did tell me that he was aware that a lot of his customers were avoiding doctors and suffering medical issues because of it . Basically through fear. Whilst i was there i overhead a conversation with a lady whose husband was having physical problems due to some bad dental issue which it seems they finally had to get treated privately . Another victim of lockdown!!

84662 Basics, 4, #1089 of 1156 🔗

Another day, another psy-op. Yawn.

Scots warned not to open mystery seeds from China that could ‘harbour disease’
The ‘supicious’ seeds have been sent to thousands of households across the world, sparking urgent warnings from the Scottish Government.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/scots-warned-not-open-mystery-18749450

I lump china in with britain – both are a vicious as each other toward my existence – I care not for who’s the psy-op belongs to. It’s becoming tedious to listen to their noise. The rate of nonsense put forth will eventually drown itself out. People, even the feared, cannot keep pace with the assault.

As said below, prolonging death is not life. How easy it is to switch to living life!

84665 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #1090 of 1156 🔗

Several days ago I watched a series of Dr Vernon Coleman’s videos. One video was about climate change and how it would affect our lives. Just a few minutes I was thinking that one day we might see a Greta Thunberg Cookbook displayed in a book shop window and it got me thinking that a parody of this book would be a lot of fun to write. Any takers out there?

84705 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, #1091 of 1156 🔗

You mean this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkvbAypFS0g

Vernon Coleman is a climate change sceptic, so I’m not sure what your point is.

84680 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, #1092 of 1156 🔗

Truly shocking video of police tackling a non-mask wearer in Australia.

https://twitter.com/idc1953/status/1292951682628882432

84685 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ozzie, #1093 of 1156 🔗

Ain’t Ozzie fuzz wonderful?! Some of Alex’s droogs moved to Down Under?

84703 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ozzie, #1094 of 1156 🔗

That’s hard to watch! As one commenter pointed out, it’s coming to the Northern Hemisphere anytime soon.

84714 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1095 of 1156 🔗

scary. But then it was a white girl – so the MSM here wont be interested..

84682 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 5, #1096 of 1156 🔗

Last year during the Greta Thunberg hysteria thousands of people, encouraged by municipalities and national governments, filled the streets. Today, encouraged by municipalities and national governments, the streets have been declared danger zones. We’re being jerked around.

84693 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, 2, #1097 of 1156 🔗

Ya don’t say!

84683 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 10, #1098 of 1156 🔗

Mixed bag this morning. Just been “up town” for the first time since face nappies introduced.

Intu (yes Intu, not into) shopping centre-mask policewoman at door asked me to put a mask on. Pointed to my badge. She did apologise most profusely and said it was because her glasses had steamed up. Ironic or what?

A number of smaller shops not opening until 10am, some look as if they are closed for good. Big Debenhams store on three floors. At 9.40 we were the only two customers on the entire floor. There were three on the next floor. It is unlikely to survive in the next round of Debenhams cuts, I fear. Spoke to lady behind counter who was wearing a paper mask. Asked her if Debenhams had done a health and safety risk assessment into wearing masks all day. It is always incredibly hot in there and the air-con doesn’t work properly. She didn’t know, but said that she had felt light headed the previous day. Mask policeman standing nearby said it had all been done when the store reopened, which was later than the rest of the shops. I pointed out that masks weren’t mandatory then. Oops.

Spotted lovely lady with smiley face. Gave her the thumbs up. She asked me about my badge. They had actually given her a stick-on badge at the entrance to Intu but she said that she had brought her consultant’s letter with her. Told her about the government’s own exemption cards. Bonus point for Intu for providing sticker.

Outdoor market stall- OH spotted a leather man-bag he wanted. Man said he would take cash or card. Paid by card (well watch actually) Man said he would sanitise our hands afterwards. No! I have contact eczema and OH refuses anyway. Man said he would sanitise his own hands then. Why? OH didn’t touch the card machine. Man said we could tear off our own receipt. We said no, tear it off yourself and give it to us. He did. A small victory, but a victory nevertheless.

Still got the dystopian metal fences outside Primark with airport queuing system, except no-one was actually queuing. Am going to suggest they introduce cattle grids next to give it an even more authentic cattle market feel.

Last stop M and S. Lovely girl on the till wearing sunflower lanyard. Great to see that some M and S staff are making a stand.

Marks out of 10 for entire shopping experience 3. Had to take a point off Intu for insisting on the maintenance of a one way system even when the whole centre was virtually empty. We were pulled up for being on the wrong side of the barrier so OH asked what if we wanted to go to a shop on the opposite side. “You just cross over.” was the reply, delivered with an entirely straight face.

Mask wearing in shops virtually 100%. Outside shops in the open air around 30%.

Utterly depressing. I did enjoy staring down those masked zombies who had the temerity to stare at us though.

84691 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Margaret, 3, #1099 of 1156 🔗

Some victories. Well done!
I’ve never liked shopping malls. Sound even less attractive nowadays!

84709 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Margaret, 4, #1100 of 1156 🔗

It is all very very sad. When are businesses going to speak up. I am sure suspending mask wearing would improve things so much. So many people must be avoiding shopping because of masks as they make it a terrible experience or because of unnecessary fear. No one picks up an infection passing a stranger briefly in a shop!!

84713 ▶▶ anon, replying to Margaret, 3, #1101 of 1156 🔗

lol at cattle grids. perhaps you might like to suggest cattle prods too!

84740 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to anon, 2, #1102 of 1156 🔗

Yes, in preparation for branding if the vaccine ever arrives.

84698 Bella, replying to Bella, 2, #1103 of 1156 🔗

Very long-winded (skip the first ten minutes) but excellent explanation as to how face masks are mostly hazardous and CANNOT filter out viruses as small as this pesky publicity seeking one, even a specialist N95 respirator mask cannot do that. Useful material for the pedant (like me) who want to sock it to the zealots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=181&v=8pr7nirqOzA&feature=emb_logo

New residents in my (hotel) watering hole all wearing face nappies, mostly from up t’north. Is there something about the air up there? (Caveat for all those friends on here who live north of Watford: this is me being facetious. I know really it’s just their fear and stupidity.)

84720 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Bella, 1, #1104 of 1156 🔗

Thanks for that, I’ll send it to a couple of people. It may make them think, we live in hope.

85478 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Bella, #1105 of 1156 🔗

That’s a great video Bella. Thanks.

DavidC

84707 ShropshireLass, replying to ShropshireLass, 11, #1106 of 1156 🔗

Have many of you ‘lost’ friends as a result of Lockdown & government / media propaganda and regulations nonsense? That is for reasons like they think you are a conspiracy nut, gone off your rocker for not believing every word of the propaganda, or refusing to kneel down in reverence to our wonderful government from saving us all from certain death, or you are a selfish potential killer for not wearing a mask (even when you explain you are genuinely exempt for medical reasons), or you are being deliberately awkward and obstructive for refusing to give personal data to any Tom Dick and Harry who have never heard of the GDPR when they ask for it for track and trace? If “yes” how have you dealt with it to avoid becoming either suicidal or developing high blood pressure?

84727 ▶▶ Julian, replying to ShropshireLass, 1, #1107 of 1156 🔗

Yes, there are people we now avoid/don’t see. It’s sad in some cases, not in all. It’s not a cure-all, but I focus on the friends and relatives who are like-minded and try to forget about the rest. It helps that my wife is 100% sceptic and angry like me. Maybe it would be better to try and preserve those friendships, in the hope that they come out of their madness, but it’s too draining at present.
As for being suicidal, not wanting to let the bastards win is our main motivation for keeping going. That and our kids.

84728 ▶▶ anon, replying to ShropshireLass, 2, #1108 of 1156 🔗

evaded suicide so far

mental health has definitely been adversely affected. high bp wouldn’t surprise me either.

84732 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to anon, 2, #1109 of 1156 🔗

oh and I’ve been drinking way way more than normal

just to escape this hell basically.

84747 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to anon, 3, #1110 of 1156 🔗

Please do look after yourself and ask for support here. We need each other right now. Suicides are up and I am sure everyone here will join me in holding out a hand to you x

84752 ▶▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to wendy, 1, #1111 of 1156 🔗

thank you

87540 ▶▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to wendy, #1112 of 1156 🔗

Thanks Wendy. Now concentrating on caring for my pets, bird watching, gardening, going for lovely countryside walks, and just meeting up with or communicating with a few friends who are also sceptics. These actions are helping – as is being a member of this site of course.

84739 ▶▶ davews, replying to ShropshireLass, 3, #1113 of 1156 🔗

A long time friend (50 years!) and his wife have been totally taken in by the corona nonsense. For the past few years they have being going all over the world on cruise ships and enjoying themselves. Now they have hardly been out of the house since March apart from strictly one walk a day – late in the evening to avoid meeting anybody. Being both radio amateurs we keep touch that way but even that is getting rarer. He knows my views but refuses to get into any arguments as he knows his wife is taking care of him by following all the rules. Saw them through the window last night, both masked up. Sad for someone who used to take all sorts of risks in the past.

84745 ▶▶ wendy, replying to ShropshireLass, 3, #1114 of 1156 🔗

I haven’t exactly lost friends but I am avoiding some. Most of my friends are sceptics, much of hugging and hand shaking amongst at least 10 different households in the pub last night, even though meeting different households is a banned activity in the northern plague zones.

A few I won’t see again until this is over, or perhaps never. I don’t want to be in the company of so called friends advocating further restrictions when we know people are dying because they are reluctant to go to hospitals and the continued fear is causing further losses, sadness and isolation.

84749 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to wendy, 1, #1115 of 1156 🔗

I’ve had to agree to differ, just as I did with my Leave vote, but some family members now seem to view me as an embarassment, and only one communicates regularly and openly.

The others confine themselves to the occasional fairly bland emails.

Recent birthday last week-too old to care really- but noticeably fewer cards.

85440 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to wendyk, #1116 of 1156 🔗

wendyk,
For what it’s worth, a belated Happy Birthday from a fellow sceptic!

DavidC

87529 ▶▶▶▶ ShropshireLass, replying to wendyk, #1117 of 1156 🔗

That is sad. I have had several friends (who are Lockdown Zeolots and believe every word the government and BBC promote) be uncharacteristically unpleasant towards me. One hesitates to use the word unkind, but their comments and behaviour have had that effect, in spite of being fully aware of a) my regular battles with depression and b) my qualifications and experience as a scientific researcher – thus know I have done my research thoroughly. A few are no longer friends, sadly and regrettably. 3 others have now said they will either resume a relationship in the future once this is all over (could be never in that case) or we have agreed to only liaise occasionally and only communicate on so called safe i.e. uncontroversial topics. Relatives are ignoring my existence after I challenged some of their scaremongering FB posts full of false and misleading information by providing accurate data or links to credible sources and credible, experienced, reputable scientists.

Hope you had a reasonably decent birthday in the circumstances, Wendyk.

84750 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to ShropshireLass, 5, #1118 of 1156 🔗

Friend of ours came over, insisted on sitting in the garden even though it was a cold day. Ostentatiously sat on the opposite side of the table to us, hugs were off the menu. Next time she suggested a meet up, I said I told her I had no desire to spend an evening with someone who treats me like a leper. She hasn’t been in touch since.

84817 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #1119 of 1156 🔗

Hurrah for you. Not real friends methinks.

84823 ▶▶ Bella, replying to ShropshireLass, 1, #1120 of 1156 🔗

Meditation. Seriously. I used to have BP issues but choosing to meditate at least once a day (maybe more) since this crap started in March has seen my BP back to normal.

84712 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #1121 of 1156 🔗
84718 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mr Dee, #1122 of 1156 🔗

Exactly.

84900 ▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to Mr Dee, #1123 of 1156 🔗

Where are the NSPCC? They are very quiet.

84715 Mr Dee, 1, #1124 of 1156 🔗

Feel free to let them now what you think:

https://schoolmaskpack.com/pages/contact-us

84717 RickH, replying to RickH, #1125 of 1156 🔗

Just done a quick survey of the Groan (‘MI6 House Journal’ as one commentator calls it) to see if the CEBM report on international Case Fatality Rates (yesterday) had a mention.

Now – you have to have two attributes to appreciate the significance of this paper that effectively blows apart any credibility about Covid-19 mortality figures, so often quoted in a Shock! Horror! lack of context. Any investigative journalist/outlet would have been straight on to it.

However, you require two attributes in order to see the significance :

  1. Numeracy
  2. Healthy scepticism regarding official narratives

Of course, The Groan possesses neither, having ditched many decent journalists over a decade ago – and (Suprise! Surprise!) I can find no mention amongst the usual welter of Scary Fairy chickenfeed and irrelevance.

Has anyone found any coverage elsewhere in the MSM?

84721 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 2, #1126 of 1156 🔗

Healthy scepticism regarding official narratives” That paper, the BBC and other papers have plenty of healthy scepticism when it suits them – that is, when the official narrative is something they don’t like or is coming from someone they don’t like. The media are going along with the government on the big issues currently because it suits their agenda to do so, not I think because they have any great admiration or trust in them.

84748 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, #1127 of 1156 🔗

I’m not sure, Julian, that even when scepticism shows, that it is ‘healthy’. It tends to be very selective.

Whatever your political preferences, the fictionalised attacks on Corbyn prior to the election were a case study in how the media is now a propaganda arm of establishment interests. The same techniques of exclusion and fabrication of a narrative are in use now.

84719 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #1128 of 1156 🔗

It’s opened a whole new hell hole looking into this shit…

https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/coronavirus-masks.html

Some toddlers and young children may feel uneasy about masks. They may need extra support and comfort from parents. Parents also can help kids understand why they might need to wear a mask, and make them more comfortable and even fun to wear.”

84736 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #1129 of 1156 🔗

FFS! We must rebel

84746 ▶▶ anon, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #1130 of 1156 🔗

sickening.

indeed this needs to end now

84902 ▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #1131 of 1156 🔗

Cacatopian, demonic, and insane.

84725 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 3, #1132 of 1156 🔗

Bit of a worrying conversation.

I’m obtaining some data and have just spoken to a colleague about furniture purchased for home working.

Twice he said when we return to the office ‘post vaccine’.

His own opinion or party line? He should be privy to information regarding returning to work as he works in facilities/workplace.

Is nic Jong un going to be stabbing us civil servants so we can all return to the office?

Genuinely disturbing.

84731 ▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 3, #1133 of 1156 🔗

Equally disturbing is the atmosphere which prevents you from asking about the situation. True oppression lies within that atmosphere.

84734 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 2, #1134 of 1156 🔗

Indeed, I felt like asking him if it was his own opinion or true but didn’t want to get into it.

84726 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #1135 of 1156 🔗

Lockdown causes a new digital newspaper into being.

https://manchestermill.co.uk/p/the-story-behind-the-mill

The Mill was born during the lockdown, and aims to publish thoughtful, trustworthy journalism about Manchester and the region.

84729 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Basics, #1136 of 1156 🔗

Thanks for that. Much appreciated! I’ll check them out.

84735 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Basics, #1137 of 1156 🔗

Looks interesting. I will keep my eye on it. Thank you.

84733 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 12, #1138 of 1156 🔗

When will THEY get it? Covid-19 cannot be eradicated. Lockdowns and masks are useless. Good immune systems are critical to fight any virus, bacteria and pathogens. Anyone noticed that ‘improve you immune system’ is missing from the Government / NHS messages?

Infections are low and only increase with increased testing using a very unreliable PCR test. Many false positives.

Asymptomatic Covid-19 – there is no such a thing. It is as a result of using the unreliable PCR test that picks of viral debris from previous viral (any) infections still in the cell.

Increased infections is a meaningless concept, we need to know the daily hospitalisation rate and death rate for Covid-19.

84743 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Victoria, 4, #1139 of 1156 🔗

They have got it. It’s got nothing to do with a virus and some people are waking up to this (I hope) and realise all these ridiculous measures are just a cover-up.

84755 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Victoria, #1140 of 1156 🔗

I’ve just read that we all contain an estimated 380 trillion viruses. Is that true?

Doesn’t the PCR test have to amplify a sample up to 37 times to produce enough replicas of a fragment of virus so that it can be examined?

My brain just can not comprehend the infinitesimally small sizes we are dealing with here.

Am I barking up the wrong tree (or just barking) ?

84804 ▶▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Margaret, #1141 of 1156 🔗

From memory; we have approx. 10 times more bacteria cells than our own cells. 10 times more viruses than bacteria.

85698 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Gerry Mandarin, #1142 of 1156 🔗

About the size of a clenched fist apparently

84827 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Margaret, #1143 of 1156 🔗

I think John Lee said in an interview with James Dellingpole that it was 50 million viruses. Still a lot. It’s a good listen if you’ve not heard it. June 1st. Seems like a million years away. Cripes. https://delingpole.podbean.com/e/dr-john-lee/

85078 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Margaret, #1144 of 1156 🔗

Less to do with the number of viruses, but an interesting bit about the human microbiome.

https://depts.washington.edu/ceeh/downloads/FF_Microbiome.pdf

DavidC

85170 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Margaret, #1145 of 1156 🔗

No – you’re not barking at all 🙂

84906 ▶▶ Cambridge N, replying to Victoria, #1146 of 1156 🔗

Yes, in a nutshell, how many are being hospitalised and how many are dying? I think the answer is ‘very few’.

85177 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, #1147 of 1156 🔗

Absolutely right on all counts.

A further point might be made – Why would you even want to try to eradicate it, when it’s generally mild and is doing a pretty good job of extinguishing itself through the process of population immunity?

The only explanation that makes sense is an attempt to make money out of the scare. Quod erat ….

84737 richard riewer, 3, #1148 of 1156 🔗

Is an uptick a new strain of insect?

84741 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 10, #1149 of 1156 🔗

Below in the thread Ozzie linked to an important article in the Telegraph suggesting that the Goverment’s mad assumption that mask wearing will increase consumer confidence and so footfall is being disproved comprehensively. But as always this gormless government has painted itself into a corner and has no way out. It can hardly come out now and say “Sorry, all that mask wearing was a load of bollocks.”

84822 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to OKUK, #1150 of 1156 🔗

They should because it is

84744 Jennie, replying to Jennie, 6, #1151 of 1156 🔗

The thing that saddens me most is the way lockdowns in the comfortable West are creating disaster in other countries.

85167 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jennie, #1152 of 1156 🔗

You’re absolutely right – but the disaster here (of a different kind) isn’t doing badly.

84758 Nobody2020, #1153 of 1156 🔗

**Tuesday edition is up**

84765 Tom Blackburn, #1154 of 1156 🔗

Has Matt Hancock breached people’s Article 2 ECHR Rights?

http://opiniojuris.org/2020/04/01/covid-19-symposium-article-2-echrs-positive-obligations-how-
can-human-rights-law-inform-the-protection-of-health-care-personnel-and-vulnerable-patients-in-
the-covid-19-pandemic/

85032 flyingjohn, replying to flyingjohn, 1, #1155 of 1156 🔗

We’re on holiday (yay!), in the South of France. It’s sunny and hot (over 33°C) and life here is surprisingly normal and enjoyable, despite the stories about Macron’s Police State lockdown a few months ago. The Covid situation is as follows:

• Elaborate plastic screening in hotel receptions, checkouts in shops
• Sanitiser dispensers provided everywhere in hotels, shops and service stations
• No queues at all to get into anywhere, no bouncers or ‘security’ at supermarket entrances, no sanitising of handles of trolleys
• Absolutely everyone wearing mask inside all shops. Being a bolshy bastard, I’ve tried to get served without a mask but been told to wear one or leave. I’ve had to comply to avoid starvation or worse, not getting any booze
• Some people wear a mask walking around outside, but not many, most carry on as if there is not and never has been a virus
• In bars, everyone walks in with a mask on, then removes it when sat down at a table
• All serving staff sort of ‘wear’ a mask, but sometimes round their chin, mostly over the mouth but not over the nose (proving that everyone knows this mask rule is just a political stunt and nothing to do with health Kind regards safety)
• Many people ‘wear’ a mask like a wristwatch, over their wrist and forearm (‘Look, I’m ready to comply when required’)
• There is zero social distancing. None at all, both inside shops, bars and outside walking around. Last night we visited a night market in the harbour front after dinner, there were huge throngs, hundreds of people mingling, jostling, queuing, mostly without masks
• Wearing a mask even for a few minutes in the heat and humidity here is torture. You are sweat under the mask within a minute of putting it on, thereby soiling it and rendering yourself more dangerous than not wearing a mask. Pointless, and so obviously a politically driven attempt at mind control
I think the frogs have got it about right. Elaborate displays of compliance to protect against a virus that the general public have long ceased to fear or even believed existed in the first place.

It certainly feels freer and more enjoyable than the last few months in Nazi Britain.

85159 ▶▶ RickH, replying to flyingjohn, 1, #1156 of 1156 🔗

Being a bolshy bastard, I’ve tried to get served without a mask but been told to wear one or leave. I’ve had to comply to avoid starvation or worse, not getting any booze”

That doesn’t sound ‘better’! I guess you may be suffering holiday euphoria.

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114swedenborg26, 6, 0, 0, 6, 1, 0, 12, 4, 2, 3, 6, 0, 13, 4, 0, 2, 3, 2, 1, 1, 0, 4, 3, 0, 13, 1, 1, 0
110wendyk01, 3, 21, 10, 8, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 8, 14, 12, 2, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 6, 3, 1, 1, 1
106Two-Six10, 8, 2, 1, 5, 2, 3, 1, 0, 3, 5, 3, 2, 3, 2, 4, 3, 14, 2, 8, 2, 1, 5, 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 2, 4
102Mark22, 15, 1, 3, 3, 5, 2, 5, 2, 12, 4, 0, 3, 3, 9, 0, 2, 0, 11
102Basics43, 3, 2, 2, 5, 5, 4, 3, 2, 0, 6, 6, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 2, 4, 3, 1, 2, 2, 0, 2, 9, 1, 7, 4, 1, 11, 1, 3, 2
101Achilles6, 5, 42, 18, 9, 12, 6, 3
98Major Panic1, 6, 3, 12, 4, 1, 0, 13, 8, 2, 3, 10, 1, 5, 8, 4, 1, 2, 1, 4, 8, 1
97JohnB4, 14, 4, 40, 16, 8, 4, 7
93Mr Dee111, 11, 10, 6, 1, 9, 2, 12, 10, 5, 5, 4, 3, 3, 0
86Steve Martindale514, 7, 10, 21, 19, 10
82stewart82, 0
81AngloWelshDragon10, 8, 1, 14, 4, 3, 28, 9, 4
81wendy0, 32, 13, 4, 6, 5, 7, 4, 3, 3, 4, 0
80Tom Blackburn06, 1, 3, 8, 1, 27, 9, 9, 9, 4, 3
79Victoria18, 71, 21, 2, 3, 0, 1, 14, 12
79richard riewer6, 13, 8, 1, 33, 2, 2, 0, 1, 0, 2, 2, 0, 6, 0, 3, 1, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 2, 5, 0, 4, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 1, 2, 0, 0, 0, 5
72ChrisW53, 19
72RDawg8, 0, 16, 2, 46
72Farinances1, 2, 2, 1, 2, 1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 6, 10, 1, 1, 1, 6, 3, 3, 6, 4, 5, 4, 5, 2, 3
69DRW2, 12, 8, 2, 0, 2, 2, 7, 12, 2, 3, 1, 13, 3
66Julian4, 17, 0, 0, 13, 4, 8, 2, 5, 10, 1, 2
64Nick Rose2, 10, 8, 0, 3, 0, 1, 1, 8, 3, 3, 2, 0, 3, 6, 2, 3, 0, 8, 1
62matt0, 3, 1, 6, 34, 2, 3, 0, 3, 8, 2
60Klein10, 31, 6, 11, 2
57anon3, 1, 7, 15, 4, 5, 5, 1, 2, 0, 1, 0, 2, 0, 3, 2, 2, 1, 3
56MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG5, 28, 2, 2, 2, 2, 1, 5, 1, 8
55mhcp313, 10, 1, 21, 4, 3
54kh14857, 1, 14, 2, 3, 1, 21, 5
53Jonathan Palmer2, 6, 10, 6, 7, 5, 3, 1, 1, 8, 4
52stefarm0, 2, 1, 2, 3, 0, 6, 10, 12, 0, 11, 3, 2
46Ned of the Hills10, 13, 6, 4, 5, 5, 1, 2
44Hubes17, 15, 7, 5
44Margaret22, 5, 2, 15
44Gossamer7, 4, 10, 7, 9, 1, 6
41Aremen1, 9, 6, 14, 1, 2, 2, 6
39Sarigan4, 4, 5, 3, 6, 4, 0, 3, 10
38Dominic1238
38Awkward Git12, 24, 2
36nat20, 6, 7, 3
36WhyNow1, 9, 7, 19
36IMoz4, 6, 8, 8, 6, 1, 3
36Dan Clarke1, 8, 3, 4, 1, 1, 3, 15, 0
35Cicatriz10, 10, 11, 2, 2
33davews1, 12, 3, 0, 3, 3, 8, 3
29Barney McGrew1, 28
28Drawde9276, 4, 6, 4, 3, 1, 3, 1
28guy1533, 0, 0, 0, 0, 3, 0, 5, 1, 2, 3, 4, 7
26Lydia17, 4, 1, 4
26Tyneside Tigress2, 5, 8, 2, 7, 2
26Lms233, 2, 6, 1, 1, 0, 10, 1, 2
25Geraint23, 2
24Coronamoana24
24Gillian2, 22
24Hammer Onats9, 15
24MDH11, 11, 2
24IanE8, 11, 1, 4
23ikaraki230
23Polemon220, 3
23TheBluePill4, 19
23Kath Andrews2, 2, 3, 9, 7
23Laura Suckling2, 4, 1, 11, 4, 1
22Mark II9, 13
22zacaway2, 1, 6, 1, 0, 12
22A. Contrarian41, 2, 6, 2, 0, 7
21FrankiiB21
21Edward4, 9, 0, 2, 6
21Binra2, 0, 3, 2, 4, 1, 4, 1, 2, 2, 1, -1
20Montag Smith20
20Youth_Unheard1, 19
20James Leary #KBF0, 18, 2
20Will6, 1, 0, 5, 3, 1, 0, 1, 3
20Bella0, 0, 3, 0, 0, 2, 4, 0, 1, 2, 2, 1, 1, 4, 0
19kf991, 2, 1, 3, 4, 0, 2, 5, 1
18Chris John18
18Ewan Duffy18
18The Spingler10, 8
18Jay Berger4, 1, 6, 7
18Sikboy11, 3, 0, 1, 3
17Moomin5, 0, 12, 0
16Sally16
16Alison916, 0, 0
16Nobody20204, 02, 9, 1
16Carrie3, 0, 1, 8, 2, 0, 2
14LuluJo14
14Ozzie14, 0
13Strange Days1, 11, 1
13Bruno1, 1, 0, 11, 0, 0
12Richard O12
12Lockdown_Lunacy0, 12
12NickR4, 4, 4
12Margaret0, 10, 2, 0
12mjr82, 1, 1
12Winston Smith9, 0, 0, 3, 0
12DoesDimSyniad1, 0, 0, 1, 4, 6
11tides11
11HelzBelz4, 2, 5
11Miss Owl11, 0, 0
11ShropshireLass11, 0, 0
10Locked down and out10
10Steve10
10GrowYourOwn7, 3
10Tim Bidie7, 3
10PowerCorrupts0, 10, 0
10Dave #KBF11, 3, 5
10DavidC1, 1, 1, 1, 6, 0, 0, 0
9Allen9
9Chicot9
9Marie R9
9John Galt1, 6, 2
9Cambridge N80, 1, 0
8PaulC8
8tonys8
8Paul7, 1, 0
8Sue1, 5, 2
8smileymiley8, 0, 0, 0
7Liam7
7Malcolm Ramsay7
7Darryl4, 3
7Lili1, 6
7Wesley4, 0, 1, 2
6Jennie6
6Peter Thompson6
6RichardJames6
6Che Strazio3, 3
6Fiat0, 6
6godowneasy5, 1
6InfiniteDissent4, 2
6James H1, 5
6JimByJovi5, 1
5Eddie5
5Telpin5
5tonyspurs5
5Sylvie2, 2, 1
4Dorian_Hawkmoon4
4microdave4
4Nessimmersion4
4Richard4
4David Grimbleby3, 1
4Gerry Mandarin4, 0
4TJN1, 3
4DressageRider3, 0, 1
4Lisa from Toronto0, 1, 3
3Bella Donna3
3bluemoon3
3Lockdown Truth3
3Tenchy3
3arfurmo2, 1
3Lorenzo Basso1, 2
3Ossettian2, 1
26097 Smith W2
2Andy Riley2
2Fed up2
2mrjoeaverage2
2Steve2
2steve2
2Emma Townsend2, 0
1flyingjohn1
1Gtec1
1Lockdown Truth1
1nottingham691
1xplod1
1Rowan0, 1
0BecJT0
0ColoradoGirl0
0JohnB0
0Jonathan0
0Kat.S190
0Liam0
0rob10
0RyanM0
0Simon Dutton0
0stevie1190
0Tangelo0
0Cruella0, 0
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