2020-08-10

I am number one!!!!

Yeah!!

“You are not a Number. You are a free man!”.

(Just joshing!)

you pipped OKOK to the first post!!

Who’s this OKUK impersonator OKOK?

Congratulations on your first place.

I feel very special.

https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1292741729775431680 https://ticotimes.net/2020/06/08/costa-rica-to-resume-use-of-hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19-treatment
“Costa Rican health authorities said Monday(early JUNE) that the country plans to resume its use of hydroxychloroquine to treat coronavirus patients.
The announcement came from Román Macaya, the executive president of the Costa Rican Social Security System (CCSS), even as he acknowledged the drug’s efficacy against COVID-19 has not yet been proven.
“Efficacy is something we have to answer with a clinical study,” Macaya said.
The CCSS had temporarily stopped using hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 late May after a study published in The Lancet prompted the World Health Organization (WHO) to do the same.
That study — which indicated that using the drug on hospitalized coronavirus patients could increase their chances of dying — has since come under independent criticism, and the WHO has resumed its own hydroxychloroquine study.
In Costa Rica, all patients — including those with minor symptoms or who are asymptomatic — are offered the option to take hydroxychloroquine upon their diagnosis, as long as they don’t have contraindications to the drug, Macaya said.
The country has provided the drugs to patients since conferencing with Chinese experts in April, according to Mario Ruíz, Medical Manager of the CCSS.
Costa Rica has a low case fatality rate (.75%), and fewer than 5% of known active coronavirus cases are currently hospitalized.
“We can’t say that’s a result of this medication, but we can’t discard it either,” Macaya said last month.”

Seems quite common sense compared to SAGE

 Of course this could just be a co-incidence. But the problem with that explanation is the low mortality in HCQ countries like India, Pakistan and Russia. Interesting comparing Costa Rica and UK. They have the same amount of cases per million population. But Costa Rica has 15 times less deaths. Don’t tell BBC HCQ is a discredited medicine. Do you think we will have headlines in the tabloid press in 6 mth’s time “BBC killed thousands of Brits with wrong information”? I don’t think so.

Nit in 6 months’ time, perhaps, but when future historians get to work on the Great Insanity, the BBC will get what it deserves: total condemnation. Out-Goebbeling Goebbels.

I am all for the ‘scientifically literate’ label. Thanks Toby

want to meet other scientifically literate people who haven’t succumbed to what Bernard Henri-Levy calls “psychotic delirium”.

General suggestion, especially for those without real world local support.

The private messaging system seems to be up and running on the forums, so use it to contact people here whose opinions lead you to think you might get on with them or if they are local to you. As far as I can see someone has to post in the forum before you can pm them though, unless there’s a member list somewhere. We should also use them to form networks to exchange info about coronapanic resistant businesses etc, to try to support them without drawing unwelcome bedwetter attention to them.

I think this can be a big step forward in building sustained and effective dissent here, though clearly it’s unlikely to be particularly secure. But good enough for now, I think.

That’s really useful to know, thanks very much for the heads-up.

A brazil nut a day keeps the corona away? (Beware known to be severe allergic, even deaths for some)

A Chinese study saying that low selenium is bad in Covid-19.No idea if true but just published not peer reviewed. Just for information.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.31.230243v2

 “A significant, positive association between selenium status and prognosis of SARS-CoV-2 infection has been identified among COVID-19 patients in China. “

Brazil nuts are also very high in zinc!

Both zinc and selenium are cheap to buy as supplements, no allergies necessary.

And also radioactive.

And so are you.

CDC chief admits hospitals have “ perverse incentive ” to inflate coronavirus deaths
“American hospitals are being perversely incentivized to count all deaths that come their way as Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths in order to receive cash from the government. This was the shocking admission of U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Director Robert Redfield, who admitted the truth during a recent House Oversight and Reform Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis hearing.”

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-08-09-cdc-chief-hospitals-perverse-incentive-inflate-coronavirus-deaths.html

Again, should be headline news. Isn’t.

Someon brought up this subject several months on one of the podcasts that I have been listening to for the past three months but I can’t remember who said it. The incentive was around $100,0000 dollars per patient. Sales people don’t get commissions like that. Thanks Obama!

There was a YouTube vid 3 months ago by a nurse at New York City Hospital showing how managers had deliberately placed non Covid patients alongside Covid sufferers, she described this as ‘murder’.

I think it was mentioned on Pandemic Warroom at https://pandemic.warroom.org .
That is the best source I have found for daily coverage, interviews with major scientists/doctors , others to get a clear picture of what is happening, unlike mainstream media

I’ve just mentioned this on the BBC website, under an education story (what the heck: have to comment where one can!), and included the A$25k figure that’s going round for each Australian C-19 death. Five downticks so far, lol.

I remember hearing about this months ago. It’s a shame that even a Breitbart article will be immediately discredited and ignored by most people. If the Grauniad covered this I might actually get some of my friends to read it…

You are still friends with people who read the Guardian? It’s very hard work, as I know from personal experience. Of course, these same people usually regard themselves as well informed, even though they only watch the BBC for their news.

I would like to propose that we start referring to pro-mask people as being anti-human.

They are against human contact, against socialising, they don’t believe in the value of the human immune system, they think we can only survive with artificial aids like masks and vaccines. They prefer human interaction that is supported by computers, such as zoom meetings, social media instead of natural face to face communication.

In short they have a view of humanity as being deficient and needing artificial support. They are anti-human.

They are also very selfish

They are better off staying at home in their masks and their gloves

Yes, by denying me my share of their enzymes (whatever) they are damaging my immune system. Selfish Bastards.

Just ‘non-human’ says it for me. But anti-human, certainly, when they get at a bare-facer.

No, they’re just mis-informed, trusting and conventional. These are not crimes. The onslaught of fear mongering has worked, that is not their fault. They are just afraid.

Brilliant. Very well put. Taking this new moniker on board as of now

They would like to become Cyborgs.

Or just the Borg

That’s what I meant. Sigh!

They are the 1st wave of the Transhuman movement, eschewing human traits; covering their faces so as to not betray their emotions, such as smiling, minimising all social touching, handshakes or hugs. Peak commication will be a thing of the past, emoji’s will be the only way of expressing feelings.

The nuance of human commication will be watered down to a functional level.

Anti-human is good, but I’m going to refer to them as Hobgoblins from now on, after coming across this quote from Henry Louis Mencken, writing in the early 20th century:

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed and hence, clamorous to be led to safety, by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins – all of them imaginary.”

Bugaboos is another name for them,

Hobgoblin nor foul fiend
can daunt his spirit,
He knows he at the end
shall life inherit.

Sounds reasoning. I like it!

I ask you to first extend a true humanity rather than judging a masked agenda that you can project into and believe what you put there.
Anna Brees has some human testimony videos on youtube. Look for the lawyer/Artist.
For another perspective than polarised identity reaction.

An anti human agenda is indeed active, but the symptoms are the signs of the disease and not the disease itself.

Ad hom attacks the person, watch out for that! Address the underlying issues, the fallacies and the contradictory beliefs – but so as to extend a communication that might serve a better choice and outcome (for all).

Five months of addressing the fallacies and contradictions hasn’t done much good, has it?

They seem to like stroking white cats though.

Anybody remember the Star Trek (TV original) episode in which the Aliens attack the crew causing their mouths and noses to disappear under a swathe of skin ?
I remember those scenes because they were bloody scary as a 12(?) year old.

I understand where you’re coming from but I think that anything that divides us even more isn’t a good idea. Treating them with compassion and quietly persuading them with information is a better idea and will win more people over to common sense. I do agree that there’s nothing we can do about the real fanatics.

A rather complex study using available data comparing economic data and C-19 testing policy.Not easy to follow. Someone else entangle this?

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.31.20165811v1

 “The statistically significant association between population size and COVID-19 CRF suggests the healthcare strain and lower treatment efficiency in countries with large populations. The observed association between smoking in females and COVID-19 CFR might be due to that the proportion of female smokers reflected broadly income level of a country. When testing is warranted and healthcare resources are sufficient, strict quarantine and/or lockdown measures might result in excess deaths in underprivileged populations. ”

The observed association between smoking in females and COVID-19 CFR might be due to that the proportion of female smokers reflected broadly income level of a country.

So smoking doesn’t protect them from covid symptoms?

I think they mean high level of female smoking, higher income level and they are not going into discussion if smoking is protective for C-19

Project fear, Teachers Union scaring with Israel’s school opening ignoring >20 other countries school opening.

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1292523108503519233

“Israel re-opened everything at once, not just schools. The other >20 countries that opened schools but kept other measures in place did not observe a resurgence in C-19 cases linked to schools. Children are not key drivers of transmission”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.03.20121145v1.full.pdf

Cases among Israeli population as a whole: 82k/9M (1/109). Teachers: 691/170k (1/246). Students: 1335/1.7M (1/1273)

https://twitter.com/NahasNewman/status/1292525629305507840

Unfortunately, the vast majority of teachers don’t teach maths, and if maths teachers are standing with the union, they need to be struck off.

And the ones that do don’t do it very well, let’s be honest!

I posted about this on the last page. New link this time. Is it just me, or do others think it possible we have now reached peak cases world-wide?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Add in the 7 day moving average on the daily cases to see what I mean.

This is probably due to populous India perhaps just at the peak and some Big Latin American countries like Brazil and Mexico perhaps just passed the peak.  Africa seemed to have passed the peak like populous US and Russia. But we have populous Philippines, Indonesia and Japan to come.

Time will tell, I just looked at Indonesia which may be near peak, only a slow rise. Phillipines cases are definitely still rising. Japan is an oddity.

Could be their diet?

In fact, there has been speculation that fermented food in Japan, Korea (Kimchi) and Germany(sauerkraut)might be protective against C-19 explaining their lower figures

Are pickled onions in that class?
If so, by now I must be 1000% Covidproof, yeah!

So was the virus held up at the airport?

Is it reasonable to assume that Japan is ‘to come’? All I’ve heard from there indicates they have not gone mad and unduly suppressed spread, so their lack of such spread would seem more likely due to other factors: perhaps widespread immunity due to other related viruses?

I suspect that countries who managed to keep Covie out, such as Taiwan, Japan, New Zealand, Hawaii, Australia, et al, have all still got it “to come”.

That’s my point though, Japan didn’t keep it out, nor clearly (now) did Australia. Low deaths has nothing to do with lack of spread, or fudging the figures (as many claim for Germany for instance), there seems to be something in those populations.
My suspicion is that places that had recent severe flu (which includes Japan, Australia and Germany) seem to have relatively few deaths from this. I don’t see that cross immunity would be relevant, so maybe it’s just that the most vulnerable are at lower numbers in those populations. There may be greater cross immunity in some or all of those countries, but nothing to do with flu.
New Zealand, Taiwan and Hawaii would be different stories of course, at least according to what we know now.

If the recent severe “flu” was actually a coronavirus it would be very relevant as we know now that there is sterilising humoral cross-immunity from other coronaviruses.

This might explain why they’re getting it now– if the other coronavirus was a few months ago antibody levels from that will have gone down.

But it also possible they suppressed it through behaviour. Their first peak was a lower number of deaths per person than Australia’s.

That’s not how immunity works. Antibodies only hang around a few months but immunity does for much longer if not life (dependent on the illness obviously). Think of antibodies as the main part of the emergency services – you can’t have them at high alert for long, but afterwards they’ll have experience dealing with that type of emergency in the future and act much more efficiently when they are ‘notified’.

I read they had a flu run prior that gave them immunity.
Or that they had it before the over reactions made it into a fear monster.
whether the novel is the virus or the mutating script is up to you.
I don’t see anything reasonable in the covid narrative, but if you generate a structure through which funding and other incentives operate all kinds of lack-driven identity will be attracted and create ‘communities’ there albeit ‘keep apart in order to stay together’.

It looks to me like it’s kicking off in Japan for real. The deaths are starting to go up as well, it’s not just reported cases.

Quite similar to AU in that suppression lasted about a month. But it’s interesting how they achieved that. A cooperative public probably makes more difference than a legally enforced lockdown.

It certainly looks like it’s not far off. Obviously some countries are artificially delayed such as Australia.

The best graph I think is always the log graph of number dead. If it’s a straight line they’re growing exponentially. At some point (usually rather soon) it makes a right turn and flattens off. Not quite flat yet globally but getting there. Looks it might get a bit past 1m but not as far as 10m.

Not if you listen to the BBC whose scare stories are now almost all 3rd world.

“UK heading into full lockdown next month if Boris Johnson doesn’t fix “disastrous” test and trace, says ex-government scientist”

Err – no.

Try to impose another lockdown if you like but we won’t pay any attention to it.

Have these people lost their minds!

There’s still a little bit of the economy that they haven’t destroyed yet, they want to finish the job!

Mins? What ‘minds’?

That is the least scary alternative, if they have not then…

Lost it a long time ago. This comes from King, a former chief scientific adviser to the government between 2000 and 2007. The 2001 Foot And Mouth outbreak was “managed” under his watch. And he’s a anthropogenic climate change fanatic. He’s not a virologist, climatologist or immunologist, but yet another theoretical physicist, like Ferguson.

He’s not a member of SAGE, but the self-appointed “alternate” SAGE. Not that there’s much difference. “Real” SAGE recommends something, and “alternate” SAGE screams “Sooner! Harder!”

ITYM failed theoretical physicist.

Interesting… so destroying the economy, stopping travel and causing a lot of excess deaths from another lockdown would suit his climate zealotry as well. There are too many of us after all. I detest these people!

They have sold them by selling us out. They have to ‘front’ to the public some plausibly deniable excuse by which to string us along and keep the operation active.
Anyone thinking inside the box must be at their wits end in trying to make sense as if what is being effected makes any sense to the old boxed normal.

I’m happy to have another lockdown if they don’t pay public sector workers anything and just fund all small businesses two years of revenue. And we all get a tax break for two years.

I’ll happily stock up and sit in my own filth.

Right in. We’ve had some practice.

Toby linked the article did he not? It’s not an ‘ex-government scientist’ at all – unless you think of him being a scientist from the (long-time) ex-government: i.e. Labour. He’s a member of the anti-SAGE.

I’m not going back into lockdown. Lockup maybe, but not lockdown.

Well he’s right about one part: the test and trace is disastrous. I think much more disastrous than it’s often given credit for– it’s quite likely it’s only finding about 1% of actual infections.

But it seems to be “working” as hospitalisations keep going down.

Yeah not happening.

I didn’t pay any attention to the first one, out and about as a key worker. Scary at first, those press reports about Covid victims drowning with lungs full of putrid puss, skin covered in boils (from a bubonic plague handbook).
Soon figured out it was all bollocks. Only stayed in after work since there was nowhere to go.
The younglings have discovered that staying overnight with mates is more fun, safer and less expensive than going to the pub so in any future lockdown they will do just that.

Is it this bloke?
…David King, the UK government’s former chief scientific adviser on climate change, admitted ministers had made a huge mistake by promoting diesel. … “It turns out we were wrong,” he said.
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2017/apr/13/death-of-diesel-wonder-fuel-new-asbestos

Just look at this shit, warnig it will give you brain cancer.
BBC “How to stay cool in a face mask”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53688259

Heh I don’t think I’ll click that bollocks

Oh do, it’s hilarious. Top medical expert advises using a mask made of bamboo. Pandas, loom out, they’re after your dinner.

And how about this?

“What about putting your mask in the freezer before you head out in the heat? Dr Sheraz is unconvinced. “It’s not a bad idea. The only thing I was thinking about is you don’t want people get cold burns on their faces. So I don’t think I’d advise that.”
Dr Anil Budh-Raja, a GP who also offers skin and cosmetic treatments at clinics in Birmingham and Chiswick, suggested a towel which has been put in the freezer could be used as a mask.
The government says a face covering can be anything which safely the covers the nose and mouth – but of course you must be able to tie it in place. Remember that public towel slips are always embarrassing in the summer heat.”

ROTFL! !

“It’s not a bad idea”.

It’s a terrible idea. This person doesn’t understand basic physics. The mask will probably be at body temperature before you’ve had time to walk from your kitchen to your own front door.

That’s the sort of epsilon-minus sub-monkey that lives in the BBC cage.
With apologies to real monkeys.

“…safely covers the nose and mouth” is a contradiction in itself.

I know where he got that from. Back in the 90’s crims who nicked your car radio would put it in their mums freezer overnight since that overode the computer lock.

Gov advice on making your own says it should be ‘comfortably breathable’. How big is a virus again, about the size of a hamster?

Only when it goes out mob-handed.

Perfect storm of an article from the BBC combining global warming with pro mask wearing propaganda, all topped off with medical advice from an NHS doctor from their favourite community. Must clock up 10,000 points on the Virtue-Signalometer!

How about a BBC video Arcade game?

Sunscreen, too!

Dear BBC, shut yer big fat gobs!

UK Column analysed this today and came to the conclusion that the advice is very dangerous. Egregiously, the “medical expert” is a dermatologist, nothing to do with pulmonary issues.

Brian has written an excellent letter about it to the Beeb asking some very searching questions. He suggests we do the same.

Watch here. Today’s bulletin was excellent: https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-10th-august-2020

Those of you who found the article amusing, might want to watch UKC and then re-view the article from a more critical perspective.

It’s a good example of how very subtle and insidious the propaganda psy-op is.

I watched it, that is where I saw the article.

We saw it too. What we liked is the BBC’s insidious assumption that people would be wearing their masks outside in summer. Round here, outside muzzle-wearing seems to have decreased since people are forced into them in shops.

Yes. Nudging us to accept wearing muzzles outside. Very sinister.

I love those guys on UK Column.

They do an awesome job!

Reposted from end of yesterday.
My mum worked as a nurse for a Consultant Dermatologist in the 60’s. He thought it was a nice idea to present his staff with copies of his published text books.
I spent happy childhood hours exploring my parents bookshelves, ever wary of coming across b/w photos of revolting and horrible skin conditions.

I’m boycottimg the BBC and, as they don’t rely on external income sources, you should be be able to replicate the article in full…saving me a click bait (I’m still paying for now….just not viewing! 5 Months BBC sober!)

OK – back from my first outing to the shops since this new mask rule in N.I. In the butchery, the butchers were just wearing visors. Didn’t say a word to me. Some fella came in after me fiddling with his mask.
Went to a local coffee shop for a takeaway – all staff in masks and some woman and her kids in them.
Got the odd look in there, but didn’t give a shit. It’s a weird feeling, being a bit anxious not wearing a mask in a shop.

On another note – here’s my riposte to the ‘granny killer’ accusation should it arise.
So at most about 1 in 2000 people have the virus, and probably a lot less in more rural areas. The virus spreads in close contact of at least a few mins from under a distance of 1 metre. So if I keep my distance from older folk (as I’ve been doing this whole time), the odds of me actually infecting and killing someone must be astronomical.
Something tells me I’ll need a million years or so to be troubling Harold Shipman for his crown..

Congrats. It is a slightly odd feeling, being the only one without a mask in a large shop full of masked conformists, but I will say it’s not entirely unpleasant.

Schools in N.I. go back in about 9 days – I think it’s teachers first. My brother is a teacher.

Should be immense fun.

I’m a bit disappointed that the famous Northern Irish backbone seems to have disappeared. But then 60% of more are public sector.

Yeah its pathetic. Take it you’re NI based?
Saw one other guy in a gift shop not wearing one, his mrs was though.

No. From there but live in Blighty

Too much bureacracy. The only jobs that will be left to fill pretty soon.

It is astonishing how overnight a government can get a whole population behaving differently. What they worried not one jot about yesterday becomes criminal today!

Were you saying, or was it someone else?, that mask wearing was only 10% in their part of the six counties?

What was the justification for the masking edict? A rise in cases? An increase in the people dying? An increase in hospital admissions? I’m going to attempt to check these figures right now.

Yeah the uptake was very low, so they didn’t like the public telling them to fuck off.

However now its mandatory, there were a lot more wearing them.
There hasn’t been a death here since 12 July. Not sure about cases though, but they’re meaningless really.

The official reason given was so that older people would feel more confident going to the shops.

I despair! It gives me no confidence seeing people masked – and I’m in my seventies.

Just so you know I didn’t go out today so probably saved your life, you can thank me later.

That’s really going to work, isn’t it?
Scares the s..t out of them.
Or makes them feel sick, just as we do.

When do we get some reliable retail figures pre and post mask dates to give us some comparisons?

I’ve checked using this site:-

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases?areaType=nation&areaName=Northern%20Ireland

Cases have been rising slightly since the end of June. It got to a low of 1.6 at the end of June and is now 10.9 per day on a seven day average. But like you I think cases are meaningless as they seem to be a product of testing rather than a measure of illness.

Since early July hospital admissions have varied twixt 0 and 2 a day – the averag, of course, being one.

And as you say – no deaths since mid-July.

These figures, in my view, justify relaxing measures – not making life tougher!

No deaths since mid July is plenty of justification for relaxing everything, basically, and simply having reminders for people to please practice good hygiene. It is beyond bonkers, completely and utterly incomprehensible, to be adding restrictions.

Read this: https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/MINDSPACE.pdf

If I ever get accused of being a granny killer I’ll ask what division, Harold Shipman League or the NHS premier league

Excellent response!

Great reply! I will nick it as part of my repetoire of responses!

I think my riposte to the ‘granny killer’ accusation, should it arise, will be “If you want to stop old people dying of natural causes, how and when do you think they should die?”

I’d tell them that I don’t kill grannies, only people who get in my face and try to run my life for me.

Exactly. As long as you don’t spend you spare roaming round old people’s homes and coughing on the resident, I think you’ll be ok.

Bet you a quid the butchers get back to normal pdq.
Walking face naked toward my usual convenience store, outside is a woman with a gaggle of kids, hers and her friends? As I open the door I just know they are staring at me and out comes the “! MuUM !?. . .”
I think I can guess the question.

The fact the Guardian and Evening Standard got in touch is hilarious. The Guardian asking you to respond to ‘the charge’ they almost certainly just made up themselves is even better – shows how pathetic their standard of journalism really is these days.

Personally I think the forum dating thing is likely to be a failure. Forums are not a good medium for dating. They are designed for public discussion, where people post comments for the benefit of the peanut gallery, which means they will attract trolls and troublemakers, or just well-intentioned but off-topic discussion.

Dating sites are built around a different model, where the profiles themselves may be publicly visible, but all subsequent interactions are private. Trolling and harassment still exists on dating sites, but with no public audience the motivation for it is reduced. Also dating sites have features to facilitate matchmaking, such as searching for people in a suitable age range or geographic area, which is somewhat difficult to implement on a forum.

Having had a quick look at this new forum section I agree. Totally unsuitable for a site like this.

In all honesty I agree. Having been a forum kiddie in the past, during which I was catfished (young and naive..), I can say with confidence that they are not for dating.

I mean the internet is not for dating either. Met everyone I’ve been with through friends or other social settings. The current state of affairs mean that these relaxed interactions have pretty much completely stopped for me.

We have bigger things to discuss!

Toby should let the trolls stay, funny as fxxk. Some might even be letting rip with what they actually believe.

It’s often hard changing someone’s mind who has been taken in by what is effectively brainwashing.

A useful question is to ask: “What have to happen for you to revert back to what you did before?” or “What would have to happen for you to stop doing x y z?”

It is less argumentative and confrontational.

For example, someone now supporting mask wearing and being righteous would do the same to themselves from one month ago. What would have to change for them to stop doing it?

I suspect many haven’t asked themselves this. When does it stop?

You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into.

Still would be interesting to hear people’s responses though. I personally would like to survey people about why they’re wearing masks – and ‘the government says so’ or ‘it’s the law’ would not be permitted answers.

It was used for people with Trump Derangement Syndrome thinking he was going to imprison all gay people in camps. Once you realise one thing is absurd you are more open to others being exagerrated.

Which is more of my point. You don’t do the reasoning. They do.

But your point stands as it’s a classic.

A not overly educated woman started on me today about the Covid (outdoors so mask neutral).
I said ” do you know that 70% of people think that 10% of Brits had died from it ?”(see Toby’s post today).
I was guessing that she was of the 70%.
After a bit she responded ‘so how many people would that be ?’
“About 7 million, the population of London”.
‘so how many do you reckon have died ?’
“less than 50,000, same as normal flu”

She let that sink in a bit before asking
‘Do you know anyone who has actually had it ?’
“No and I don’t know anyone who knows anybody else who has had it”
‘no’ she said, ‘me neither’.

http://thinkscotland.org/thinkpolitics/articles.html?read_full=14234&article=www.thinkscotland.org

2040 – A Scottish dystopia
At lunchtime, you listen to Prime Minister Black’s thrice-weekly Press Conference. These originally started as an emergency measure by her predecessor, Nicola Sturgeon in 2020, during the great Covid-19 Pandemic, but twenty years later they are now an indelible part of Scottish life.”

All too likely, I fear.

Well all I can say is: enjoy yourselves.

Never! Nicola S. should be put in a straightjacket. She’s nuts! I try to imagine how she was brought up. Her parents must have been control freaks. I would sympathize with her but she is just too overbearing and beyond salvation.

Disgraceful BBC at it again. Last night’s 10 o’clock new was outrageous with some reporter using the most hysterical, bed-wetting language re: second wave BS. Then today BBC website talks of Australia’s ‘deadliest’ Covid day – 19 deaths…. yes 19 deaths ffs. As I pointed put (pissing in the wind I expect) on the BBC HYS site there were 1146 road fatalities in Australia in 2019, that dwarfs the Covid ‘killer virus’… It is just so bonkers now I think I am going to book a seat on Elon Musk’s Mars mission….

There were 3855 doctor certified deaths (i.e not the full total) from flu in Australia in 2019. But coronavirus is not ‘just’ a flu apparently – there is of course no ‘just’ about flu, while this IS just a nothing. If anyone can tell me a strain of flu where 80% have no symptoms I’d be most interested.

19 deaths out of a population of 25 million? The Sky is Falling, The Sky is Falling!

The BBC spent all day on bedwettery Max overload but at the same time
‘following the science the government is confident that it will be perfectly safe for the schools to reopen next month’.
Ha Ha Ha Aunties knickers in a right old twist.

It will take about a year to get there.

News from Ireland

Face coverings are now mandatory in “retail settings” in both NI and the republic – so a good example of north / south coordination there. A couple of notable differences though:

• The fine for non-compliance in NI is £60 – In the Emerald Isle it can be 2,500 Euros!
• Mission creep in the Republic has extended beyond that stated only a few days ago to include Libraries, Museums, Theatres and Cinemas. Banks and Post Offices are exempt.

Plus also, Ireland has now “out performed” the UK in it’s 14 day average for number of cases per 100,00 population (according to the ECDC) after a few meat factory surges. It will presumably now need to revise it’s travel “Green List” to include the UK which is currently excluded – the green list includes only Estonia, Finland, Greece, Greenland, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Norway, Slovak Republic (Slovakia).

All non essential travel is discouraged by the Government who prefer people to take a staycation – now excluding, of course, the three counties placed into local lockdown on Friday….

Stay tuned – it could be an exciting / depressing week.

Still see plenty of Irish registration plates here. Escapees?

Yes maybe – but they will have to quarantine for 14 days when they return!

I have now had a reply from my MP, much as I expected but at least he has passed my concerns on to Government.
Dear Mr Martindale

Thank you for your email to Geoffrey regarding the Government’s approach to tackling the coronavirus epidemic. Due to the volume of correspondence he is receiving, he has been unable to respond to individual cases as quickly as he would like. I am therefore replying for the sake of expediency – I hope this meets with your approval.

I fully appreciate the points you make regarding this. You may be pleased to learn that Geoffrey is maintaining regular contact with his government colleagues, enabling him to bring matters to their attention that have been raised with him by his constituents. I will therefore be sure to show him your comments.

Thank you for taking the time to write to Geoffrey.

Best

Ben

Benjamin Fox | Senior Executive Officer

Office of The Rt. Hon. Geoffrey Cox QC MP

Further to my concerns about the lack of a Government plan for Covid I noticed this article in the Lancet, I am not sure if it has been noted here already?
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30633-2/fulltext
I am not sure I agree with all the comments but I do agree that we need to get real; at present we cannot eradicate this virus from the UK. We need a containment plan but I am not sure this Gov has a plan at all?
I guess one problem with having a sensible containment plan is that it would have to set out what we are prepared to live with and that may be ‘the policy that dare not speak it’s name’ for much of the public who I think are simply looking for total elimination, however unattainable that may be.

Petition to prevent restrictions on people who refuse cov19 vaccination: up 62,000+, can we get it to 100K+ ? (please)
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442

Gladly; done it. Resist the march of the ‘Medico-Fascist’ state

Done and forwarded …

Excellent! Thanks to everyone. It seems to be growing faster than the ones calling to end lockdown/end masks, although I suspect these may be being suppressed by social media. Wonder why they haven’t spotted the vaccination one…

Done

Done

Done… and shared

Done. Mandatory masks could just be the opening salvo to soften us up for accepting mandatory vaccinations.

Ordered some walking boots online from Regatta but they didn’t fit so decided to take them back to the actual store today just to see what an intu shopping centre was currently like.

No mask obviously and completely ignored the one way bollocks too. Nobody tried to force hand sanitiser on me either.

Went in Regatta, Boots, Marks and Spencers, HMV and Sports Direct. Only got asked in one of them (Regatta) if I had a face mask. I said no, I’m exempt. He said fine, no problem. They let me try on clothes in there as normal.

Everybody else I saw (a good few hundred people) were muzzled up apart from a few young children, but nobody said anything to me and because their faces are covered you can’t even tell if they are giving you a dirty look. I wonder when the penny will drop that they don’t need to wear a mask.

For me the worst part of the trip was the music they had on in Sports Direct. Jesus Christ. What a load of shite. Apart from that the rest of the trip was fine.

Intu are in deep trouble and perhaps the negative reactions they’ve been getting have forced them to do a U turn.

The power is within us – we can vote with our feet and wallet to show our displeasure

Hand sanitizer seems to be going out of fashion all over the place.

Haha, just found this during a random search. It’s dated Oct 2019:

I AM LEGEND 2 [HD] Trailer -Will Smith Horror Movie [Fan Made]
“God didn’t do this. We did”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2tCX54cDx4

Breathtakingly awful reporting:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/10/plastic-use-has-risen-lockdown-survey-shows-online-ordering/

The use of plastic has risen during lockdown, with online ordering largely to blame, according to a survey.
While households have tried to reduce their plastic waste output for several years, the coronavirus crisis seems to have reversed this progress.
The waste which rose the most during lockdown included snack wrappers, delivery parcel bags, and PPE.

What does PPE have to do with online ordering???

Last month, Carrie Symonds urged Amazon to tackle this issue by giving shoppers a plastic-free option at checkout.

Pity she didn’t get onto de Piffle about the scandalous increase in single-use plastic caused by his insistence that pubs and restaurants did only takeaway for weeks on end.

A new landmark law to outlaw the use of plastic straws, stirrers and cotton buds was due to be voted on in April, but was halted by coronavirus. Now, ministers are racing against the clock to get the ban in place as soon as October.

Wow, that’s really going to redress the balance of all the PPE that’s being discarded every day!

• It could take up to 500 years for face masks made of polypropylene to degrade
• One study by UCL estimates that in the UK alone, if every person used a single-use face mask a day for a year, it would create an additional 66,000 tonnes of contaminated waste and 57,000 tonnes of plastic packaging.

How about styrofoam and throwaway plates, cups, saucers, knives, forks, spoons…?
No more need for washing up liquid.

By my calculations, if every person used a single-use face mask a day for a year it would cost around £10 billion. Not like we’ve got anything better to do with our cash.

Based on price of Boots multi-pack masks:
https://www.boots.com/boots-type-2-protective-face-masks-bundle1-10286448

‘protective’?!

“Each mask offers 98% bacterial filtration efficiency”
Err, but it’s a virus!

If anything the disposable muzzles and gloves are a bigger problem than single use plastic.

I’m just adding it to the mix. Stay home and order take out food.

Hubris.

?

Look it up in the dictionary. The UK government is guilty of hubris.

I read the Menston article this morning and was struck by this statment from a resident:

On the streets of Menston itself, locals aren’t so much angry as baffled. Mr Rhodes, …. works at a golf course near Leeds – firmly outside the lockdown area.
“I respect that they need to do sensible things and this is a semi-rural area, so the line has to be drawn, but am I supposed to go from here to work? I don’t actually know the answer. It’s just a bit confusing.”

The recent Yorkshire lockdowns simply (and bizarrely) prevent families from meeting in their homes and gardens and have some restrictions about meeting in pubs and restaurants!

How many people have locked themselved down fully and aren’t working because they can’t be arsed to find out exactly what the edict means for them?

How many people are ignoring the whole shambles for the same reason?

Two useful words :

‘Fuck’

and

‘Off’

.. and a phrase :

‘If you’re scared – go and lock yourself up. But don’t involve me.’

You would think anybody’s first thought when faced with this crap would be “Shit, how do I get out of this?”, but no, the sheep just lap it up. They cock half an ear to the ‘guidance’ then make the rest up and don’t even bother to look at the law. The ‘local’ stuff is 80% guidance, the law only relates to homes and gardens.

The book that was mentioned ‘is Free Speech Racist’ is published by Wiley so definitely not a parody!

Was about to send in as a theme tune Morrissey’s title song from his latest Album “I Am Not A Dog On A Chain” when I noted today’s theme tune. No doubt the track has already been submitted but noble sentiments in the lyrics (song and album) all the same. Plenty of contemporary references. I was inspired to listen by a kind article (refreshing after the press savagery he has faced) on the ‘charming man’ in the US edition of the Spectator:

https://spectator.us/human-after-all-morrissey-social-distancing/

A pop star for our times.

As the weird world of lockdown winds down, we might pause to consider what we’ve learned.
….. The COVID-19 crisis may make things better, if only because things could hardly be worse. Talk of an economic reset and new normality notwithstanding, I’ve started to feel we may be on the verge of a shift in consciousness sufficient to turn the train around again and allow us to resume our interrupted journey.
…..Truculence may be the Next Big Thing. In the post-lockdown world, we will become happier in our own company, less keen to cling to groups or gangs, more choosey about friendships, less inclined to be put upon by cultural psyops rooted in orthodoxy, and more willing to speak our minds and sing our hearts.

Where is John Waters looking, or are there no sheeple in his part of the world?

A robust swipe at the whole lockdown idea:

http://asenseofplacemagazine.com/world-experts-warn-stop-the-lockdowns/

The scientific community is increasingly coming out to condemn the societal wide shutdowns ordered by numerous, increasingly authoritarian governments around the world.

And about time too!!

Tune for today: The Creeps, The Scaramanga Six

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah-3mHwkGU0

I love this band.

Yay – locals!

Just returned from 4 nights in Kingston Upon Thames with two grandchildren. Compared to Cirencester not the only person not wearing a mask in most shops – but some very aggressive looks and sarcasitc comments (‘Why don’t they enforce the law?’). Challenged went entering UNIGLO, Laura Ashley, getting on the K2 bus (very nastily by the driver) and, believe it or not, when entering the the Princess of Wales Conservatory at Kew Gardens!
If you have young children would recommend a visit to the Magic Garden at Hampton Court – the most normal 90 minutes spent with other families since ‘Lockdown’.

Before the clampdown, I was a pretty major supporter of the performing arts – theatre, dance, especially opera. I can’t say I’ve really missed it much since the playhouses closed, but I’d like to go back – but I won’t be going to a “Covid-safe” performance.

The latest wheeze from The Donmar Warehouse – once a byword for excellence, now… not so much – is a a ‘socially distanced’ audio performance of a monologue based on the dystopian novel, Blindness.

Can’t say it appeals to me one jot. But each to their own. It is “performed” by Juliet Stephenson – I still recall with horror her performance in the National Theatre’s assault on The Seagull a few years ago. What that means is you sit in the Donmar spaced as far as is practicable from your fellow theatre-goers, and you wear headphones.

And now, if that wasn’t appealing enough, you’ll have to wear a fayce-claart throughout.

Amazingly, it’s selling quite well. There really is no bottom to the well of self-hatred the bien-pensant class have fallen into, is there?

Can you imagine Metropolitan Opera, La Scala and Vienna State Opera being closed during the Asian flu 1957-58 or Hong Kong flu 1968-69? Some orchestra performance might have had to be cancelled if too many in the orchestra were ill with flu, but no. Nobody would have the ludicrous idea of stopping performances for years. Only in the insane world of Project Fear instigated by Big Pharma would that ever occur.

Yes. But don’t blame the victims. Companies/Orchestras have no option but to dance around to the ludicrous government guidelines.

I mentioned yesterday the experience of someone in the family, working for a national company (currently filming rather than performing live) – forced into wearing a mask all day in setting up the stage, and feeling very unwell from it.

The orchestra I play in hasn’t rehearsed or performed since the last concert at the beginning of March, but is also, in effect, bound by the same ludicrous pantomime because of ‘health and safety’ + insurance etc.

I know others are looking to get back to routine in September – but I’m dubious about this bunch of dangerous political clowns letting go of the reins – and if it means anti-social distancing and/or masks – count me out.

I have to say, that back in early May when I first voiced (over Zoom) my evidenced scepticism about the Scary Fairy Dance, I was howled down by the Covid convinced. The brainwashing has been immense.

I’m so frustrated and angry at the complete supplication by the arts establishment to this crap that I really can’t be bothered anymore. Me and the OH have given thousands of pounds over the years to various arts organisations, but that will stop if this continues much longer.

If people want to pay out to sit in discomfort in third-filled venues watching highly compromised semi-live performance, that’s up to them. But if the performers can’t see which way the wind’s blowing and bloody well organise some opposition, I’m not giving up a red cent.

What does the Musician’s Union have to say about this? Probably all on board with the government…

All together now, a one and a two and a one two three four…

Looking back at art history wasn’t it ever thus? Certainly there’s an argument for the 20th Century from the political manifesto and ‘launch’ of futurism onwards that art of the day has been contrived. Contrived for reasons beyond the canvas/utinal/enbalmed shatk.

This difference as I see contemporary art and why it mostly completely fails as meaningful culture is that it sets itself in irrelevance. This is because ideas and discussions that are ambiguous are easier to make to defend. If an artist makes a finite statement, they are trapped by it. Plenty of wiggle room required equates to dreadful irrelevance.

2-6 is right this Nat Theatre thing hums like a psy-op.

The depth in a cezanne is something worth while. There is a humanity in Lascaux and in tribal art. Who is sponsoring the Nat Theatre and the turner prize, the arts council? The british council? The bbc?

As I have mentioned before many famous modernist artists suffered terribly through two world wars and still produced fantastic work, wherefore art thou Hurst and Emin?, the current crop of
” curators” and practitioners wallowing in woke and identity shite, who fuckin’ needs em!

They’re all in it together, some more victim than collaborator.

Well said. Mr Bart and I have gone to concerts, plays, operas but we’re not going if it means having to pay through the nose due to anti-social distancing and forced to wear muzzles.

The management of orchestras, theatre companies and performing arts companies are like their counterparts in the museums, heritage sector and even hospitality and retail – cowards and supine in the face on the assault on their sector. They seem to be more interested in virtue signalling and jumping on bandwagons rather than campaigning against the assaults on our civil liberties and accelerating the demise of their sector.

I don’t blame the rank and file – I do blame the orchestra management for not standing up to the government idiots.

A definite power grab by the political class. The party in power, with the connivance of the parties forming the “opposition”. Iraq War all over again as far as cross-party support is concerned, only more solid.

Worth adding to this, as it’s beyond satire. From the marketing email:

Blindness includes strong language, extended periods of complete blackout, loud noises, and bright flashing lights and strobe in close proximity to visitors. If you urgently need assistance during the installation, including during the blackouts, please raise your hand and a member of the front of house team will make their way to you.
Due to the subject matter, Blindness is recommended for audiences aged 15+. There are moments in the text that some people may find difficult to encounter.

In other words STAY AWAY!

Remember when horror films used to use “See it if you dare” as a marketing lure? Now it’s because they’re afraid the audience might soil the upholstery.

Sounds like a psy-op production. I went to see Orwell’s 1984 a few years ago in a small local theater, it was just horrific, way over the top blood and violence, really shocking.
Then there was The Passion, that traumatised a generation of people, especially old Christian ladies who went to see it as a duty to the church or something. I found it horrifying, a 120 minute snuff movie.

Psy-ops both of them. Trauma based mind control

If you urgently need assistance during the installation, including during the blackouts, please raise your hand and a member of the front of house team will make their way to you.

Will they be wearing night-vision glasses?

I’m on emailing lists for various arts organisations. I’ve already told some I won’t be back under current restrictions. When they run into financial difficulties and send out begging letters I’m going to tell them that it’s their own bloody stupid fault for cravenly capitulating to all the government bollocks. As far as I’m concerned they can all go and work for Amazon if that’s the way they want it.

Same here. And you can bet that we will be inundated with begging letters and emails. I will tell them to stick their appeals where the sun don’t shine and if they were too cowardly to fight for their institutions when the government was depriving them of their right to make an honest living then they don’t deserve to survive.

Got it in one.
Ditto to grovelling arse-lickers like the National Trust.
I’d willingly divert my cash to help set up a National Sceptics Foundation.

Yep. Again vote with our feet and wallets and when the likes of the National Trust struggle with members and revenue they will have no-one but themselves to blame.

Saramago’s novel, ‘Blindness’, is actually a very sobering one, like 1984, so might resonate with others on this site. But please don’t attempt it if feeling at all fragile.
Then there’s the sequel, ‘Seeing’, reviewed thus in 2006:

‘The story begins with those ordinary citizens, who not so long ago regained their sight and their tranquil day-to-day lives, doing something that seems quite unconnected with vision or lack of it. It is voting day, and 83% of them, after not going to the polls at all in the morning, go in the late afternoon and cast a blank ballot…Turning in a blank ballot is a signal unfamiliar to most Britons and Americans, who aren’t yet used to living under a government that has made voting meaningless. In a functioning democracy, one can consider not voting a lazy protest liable to play into the hands of the party in power … It comes hard to me to admit that a vote is not in itself an act of power, and I was at first blind to the point Saramago’s non-voting voters are making.

I began to see it at last, when the minister of defence announces that what the country is facing is terrorism.Other ministers oppose him but he gets what he wants – a state of emergency,…The ministers jockey horribly for power. A superintendent of police is sent into the city to find the woman who did not go blind … He brings us to the woman, the gentle light-bearer of the first book. But where that story began with an awful darkness that slowly opened into light, this one goes right down into the dark.’
Saramago won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1998.

https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1292550257314803712/photo/1

The discussion of a second wave or not might not be that relevant. Perhaps we have not finished the first wave either with severe lockdown or not lockdown with social distancing. Both actions might only just prolong the pain and the virus is in search of new regions in Europe.
Michael Levitt have speculated that herd immunity might be reached when a country has reached 500-600 deaths per million. The outlier ie NYC where the higher death rate was caused by deliberate spreading of the pandemic to nursing homes. If Levitt is right, Europe has in many places reached that level and should be out of danger. But what happens if we should think about cases per million instead? Then we have a problem in Europe. See this graph in the twitter.
In Latin America and the US cases per million is much higher than Europe about 15000 and in Chile which seems to have turned the corner and achieved herd immunity has 20000 cases per million and about 500 deaths per million. Let us use 20000 per million with estimating 10 times more undetected cases would give us 200 000 cases per million about 20 % herd immunity. You could argue that testing numbers would influence the case numbers and it wouldn’t be prudent to use the case figures for estimating herd immunity.

But let us assume that Europe has to reach America’s medium 15000 cases per million ie lots of new cases before the first wave ends.
What does that mean for Europe? The virus might reach out for regions not previously affected and many countries have artificially closed up and in the inevitable opening up the virus has a new chance. But the excess death has disappeared in Europe so perhaps the low hanging fruit(deaths) has been already been collected by the Grim Reaper Covid-19 and only mild young case left not affecting the death statistics? So, could Europe reach 15000 per million without much rise in total C-19 deaths? In that case good news for high death rate countries like UK ,Belgium, Sweden, Italy and Spain. But very bad news for low case low death countries like Germany, Austria, Greece and Denmark.

There’s an appropriate phrase – about disappearing up …..

Relax and contemplate the CEBM data.

I don’t think Germany counts deaths with other conditions though.

Some countries still have post-mortems and Germany is one of them.

I’m not sure how co-ordinated the German data is, in light of their federal states doing things differently. They appear to have only set up a central autopsy registry on 15 April 2020: https://www.embopress.org/doi/full/10.15252/emmm.202012885
Meanwhile, worth noting that Italians (commenting below on a German paper about “Precautions in postmortem examinations in Covid-19 – related deaths: Recommendations from Germany”) say:

‘The problem of safety in autopsy rooms is a popular topic for discussion at the present time, yet we note that the risk of contamination by respiratory pathogens (with similar transmission modes) has always existed (a notable example being tuberculosis). Despite this consideration, many centres of Forensic Medicine (in countries such as Italy) do not have BSL3 autopsy rooms (as described in other articles 2 , 3 ). For this reason, autopsies on COVID-19 corpses are performed only exceptionally, given “safe” autopsy rooms are not available . Obviously, this fact greatly limits the study of the pathology and understanding of the pathophysiological mechanism.’
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1752928X20301347?via%3Dihub

Yeah, well, do they actually want to discover what really killed the alleged Covid victims?
Better to cremate ’em quick, no evidence, no questions asked.

They do, Annie, yes. Scientists have enquiring minds, some even post here. Everyone worth their salt is intrigued and dead keen to find out exactly how it works, what mitigates its activities, how to improve outcomes for patients.

Europe got it earlier and so started testing relatively later.

The ONS survey was only finding about 0.34% or something positive when it started (in late April I think). The peak was already past.

For comparison drive thru PCR testing (so some selection bias) was finding 20% positive ratios in Bavaria at the peak.

The official number of UK “cases” is obviously a huge underestimate of the actual number of infections.

More agenda bile from the disgrace that is edinburghlive.

Headlune:
Covidiots spark fears after abandoning burning campfire in West Lothian beauty spot
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/covidiots-spark-fears-after-abandoning-18745390

The use of ‘covidiots’ actually legitimately makes that link ‘fake news’. Anyone who reads through will see their is no link whatsoever between an abondoned campfire and covid 19.

Grim times for free speech though it may be there are many ready to fight for it.

So was anybody worried about the damage to the beauty spot?
If they’d been trying to burn the Poison Witch on their wee bonfire it would have been forgivable.

Its disgusting what is happening across the country with the trend for camping benders.

This is not a new covid issue its been increasing in recent years. A tipping point may have been reached where groups are finding it acceotable to not care in the least for any damage they cause. I’ve seen all this first hand, the campers haven’t the first idea about what nature is. Me Camping.

Time was when British Army camps in the highlands could be found from the disgraceful remains following over night stops. Many savvy hillwalkers would treat such areas as a treasure trove of left overs.

Education failure?

The problem is it has a trendy name now: “Wild” camping. Rather than illegal camping.

I can’t bring myself to utter that. It’s so far away from anything wild. Slum camping.

edinburgh-was-alive

Much better to have drawn a link between wild camping and lockdown – if this is a new phenomenon and wasn’t a problem before this year.

Carpe Diem!

… and wring its f.ing neck. :-

Nil illegitimi carborundum.

Reading the article by Guy Campbell on the Australian lockdowns http://asenseofplacemagazine.com/deathly-lockdowns-compound-australias-covid-fiasco/ gives me a depressing sense of deja vu! Their government(s) are making the same mistakes (or worse, in Victoria) as we and most of mainland Europe did earlier in the year, and sceptics are making the same points we did back then – almost certainly with the same deafening silence in response.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different
results.

Unlike Professor Pantsdown’s magic model that spits out different gibberish every time some idiot uses it

They are talking about knocking down buildings that may have been infected by Covid-19. Be careful what you wish for, Boris, you could lose your present residence!

The building demolition thing is downright bizarre. Is this a genuinely new measure, or an existing one which has been dusted off and brought to people’s attention?

If viral (or bacterial) contamination were valid grounds for demolishing property, hospitals would have to be flattened and rebuilt on a regular basis!

I think its a legacy from the 1984 public health act. Say if a building was loaded with dead and deemed to be too unsafe to evacuate, they would pull it down. Horrible. I guess they were preparing for bio-warfare from the Soviet Union or nerve agents.

or nukes

I think that clause was drafted with pathogens such as anthrax in mind – it can form spores which can last over 50 years! Almost completely unlike C19.

yes that sort of thing

I read it was cut’n’pasted from plans laid earlier to deal with an outbreak of bubonic plague (which still exists in places, Madagascar for one).
Lifted wholesale into the Covid regs.

If buildings were so contaminated they would have to be dealt with the same way as for asbestos. Dismantled brick by brick into plastic bags to be secreted away and buried for future generations.

1984?

Boris is contaminated, can we knock him down first so the buildings and everything else can recover…..

After the rrecent article about demolishing “covid contaminated buldings” I thought the following was an interesting follow-up because Kirklees was publicising its planned green space for Huddersfield town centre several months ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/04/manchester-to-build-first-city-centre-park-in-100-years

Also, this has been ongoing: https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/press-release/uk-first-as-towns-and-cities-are-chosen-for-11m-initiative-to-save-green-spaces
Hilary McGrady, the National Trust’s Director General, said: “. This is not just about new ways to fund and support these much-loved community spaces, but completely re-thinking the role green spaces play in our lives …..We need to give parks a reboot and start thinking about them as essential elements of our communities”

That was lst year. Very ironic when you think that the National Trust is now severely rationing access to its country parks. Parks are much more tempting when toilets are available too!

Minister for Parks and Green Spaces, Rishi Sunak said …..:

Well there’s a coincidence!

More evidence of endgame pre-planning? Town centres are going to be embarrassingly derelict soon. Certainly there seems to be mind-boggling amounts of money available to manage the effects of the plandemic. Ironic when you consider they went out of their way to axe my piddling disability allowance last year.

Uk Column today covers a newly published SPI-B document that was issued to the UK Government on 2 July 2020. The document warns of mass unrest and the country being on a knife edge for civil disobedience and the subsequent impossible management of Corona virus measures.

Also Mike Robinson makes a great point that perhaps anti lockdown protests might make it to the beach – where people are rather than city centres where they are not.

A fine bit of work by UK Column today once again. Covering more than just Covid 19 matters.

https://youtu.be/tqbB_vh-aPY

Is that perhaps the reason for face nappies? Stifle the opposition?

Thanks, Basics. I found that document: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/906354/s0578-spi-b-public-disorder-public-health-contemporary-threats-risks.pdf , plus a whole lot of other guff. One paper, Preparing for a Challenging Winter 2020/21 relating to healthcare, doesn’t even address what is believed will be a massive increase in childbirth following lockdown at the end of March.

Good afternoon sceptics. We had an internet cut this morning so I went out for a bike ride.
Wondered if having no internet for few weeks might sway a few zealots.

I saw a park notice had been graffitied over with NO FUN ALLOWED which was quite funny.

Also funny was a house that had not only a big “Thank you NHS” fence banner, but also a similar garden flag and a “Pay Rise for NHS Heroes” window poster! Absolutely laughable.

I’m thinking of putting a banner up;

”Dear NHS, could you start serving our health please”

Or ‘National Hell Service’

Its a CHS.
Covid health service
PPP
partners in predation on its public

they probably work for the NHS

lady in local coop was treated like royalty. she’s a fucking receptionist at local gp gaff.

Sturgeon -land is becoming crazier and more dystopian with each day that passes:

Rang my dental practice in desperation this morning: call back from friendly receptionist -‘No we are unable to offer any standard treatment to NHS patients at this time’.

So AGPs-(aerosol generating procedures)- ARE STILL NOT ALLOWED, despite the fact that She Who Must Be Obeyed recently announced that drilling and 3 way syringes would be permitted in some circumstances from August 17th.

Receptionist told me that announcements are given out by Sturgeon before dental professionals are actually informed.

The guidelines are also hazy, with plenty of SNP wriggle room.

Furthermore, and most worryingly, practices will be limited to 10 patients per day, with a wait time of 60 minutes between each session, after which deep cleaning must be performed, before the next patient can be admitted.

Added to this, dentists are currently locked in a dispute with Holyrood about inadequate funding arrangements. Many practices are likely to close if the restrictions are not lifted soon.

Waiting lists are soaring.

Secondly, a week ago, my general waste bin was nicked; who knows why? Despite 2 calls and several emails, I’m still waiting for a replacement, having been told that ‘due to the covid, delays are occurring’-this advice is quoted verbatim.

I cannot, try as I might, see how the replacement of a waste bin can possibly be perceived by the council bin controllers as potentially life threatening or an infringement of Holyrood’s covid rules.

One would like to think that since safe disposal of rubbish is an essential council service, the bin police might have sorted this out by now.

Finally, hair appointment arranged for Thursday, but my salon now has a stern list of pre-entry requirements displayed in the window; these are so comprehensive that 2 whole A4 sheets have been filled.

I fear that my exemption badge may not be accepted, in which case I’ll go elsewhere.(All other shops, of whatever kind, have accepted it, but the chief stylist and proprietor doesn’t take any prisoners!)

All this might seem very trivial to fellow sceptics, but it does show how drastically curtailed our normal day to day activities have become .

Not trivial at all wendyk. I’m feeling stressed out just reading this, so god know’s how you’re feeling. Hairdressers seem to the worst offenders at ‘protocol’ adherence. My sympathies … Sending you a virtual cuppa … and sorry it’s so bloody awful – kh

Thank you kh; I’m feeling ever more constrained by this ridiculous virtual dictatorship.

Hairdressers have been locked down longer than other businesses, and probably fear being closed again by local authorities if anyone complains.

But will they? My point is, certainly here, they are relishing every opportunity to boss their customers around (the Whatsapp comments are particularly unpleasant. I posted a video on Sunday of the ‘service’ one hairdresser here is offering and it’s grim). And one hairdresser here actually ratted on one of my Saturday staff for going out for a walk with a friend. I have no sympathy for and will not go to any hairdresser who treats their customers like lepers (as my own hacked tresses bear testament to!).

Grow dreadlocks

Regrettably I favour the short layered crop, so shall have to resort to another DIY with the cutting tools.

Gently does it…..

Or how about a mobile hairdresser? Should be less constrained.

Like Warren Beatty in the film ‘Shampoo’.

A friend has opted for this, as prices lower and no covid nonsense

I bought a pair of hair cutting scissors from Amazon – will be going DIY from now on after my first attempt last May.

I’ve got some as well Bart, and a cutting razor.I think I’ll probably revert to DIY.

Best of luck with your DIY attempt.

Mr Bart tried the scissors I bought and said they were great.

Definitely looking forward to saving money from now on. If my hair is a bit wonky at the back so what?

Your local councillor SHOULD be able to help you with the bin problem.
You’d think public health would be a priority and I’d certainly put rubbish bins high on that list!

Our local councillors are useless, but I have emailed the bloke in charge of waste services.

I’ll keep on until they provide a bin

I’ve been cutting my own from about a month in. I learned to do just a bit at a time, ie a few snips each day by feel, just use the mirror to check now and then. I’m told the result is acceptable so will carry on for now.
(Hint, however tempting do not snip while in drink).

I’ve taken the plunge and ordered some small clippers. Now just have to cancel salon appointment.
Money should be saved provided hand and eye coordination maintained: steady as she goes!

Here we go. Calls to make the vaccine mandatory.
Just because we’ve never found a cure for cancer, there is every reason to believe a safe and effective vaccine can be developed within a few months

https://www.smh.com.au/national/government-must-consider-mandatory-covid-19-vaccination-20200807-p55jko.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR08VUOdkV3vQklTxkHhARTEsPHZ21g4aiAMgp4V4W-2ISeJAf4hKZU4kE8#Echobox=1596998446

Making it mandatory would be a legal can of worms, are they going to drag people screaming and kicking to the clinic to be stabbed against their will? When you make something mandatory you have to know your enforcement plans and be prepared to carry them through. I am not saying they may not try but they will get much cationary legal advice. My MP who is a a QC is opposed to mandatory vaccination, I am guessing that is partly as he can see all the potential legal problems.

Sicko scientists is their name and Social shaming is their game.

Also those most likely to be concerned about the ill effects of non established vaccines may also be those with existing medical conditions- so a legal can of worms in terms of disability discrimination under the Equality Act too ( if they link being vaccinated to access )

Anyone who attempts to force me to accept a virtually-untested vaccine can s0d off before their nose breaks.

At the weekend some moron from ICL (we all know who that’s sponsored by) was blathering on to Sky News about how “we’re all in this together and still at terrible risk if less than 60% of the population isn’t vaccinated” or some shit like that.
Fuck off, I can smell the Gates Foundation from miles off.

You can smell them from flipping Pluto.

The author thinking fining people for refusing is acceptable – wonder what level of fine he is thinking???

And I wonder how many times you’re allowed to refuse …….

Three strikes and you’re out! Clinton brought that one in.

Social debiting will incentivise compliance for access to ‘freedoms’ that are contingent on good behaviour.
Are non the compliant set to to become the new ‘Jew’ or join the ‘Palestinians’ in a globally mandated locally regulated bulldozable Gaza?
Regardless the labels – the subjugation and denial of human beings by a supremacist or overlording elite is an old pattern but in new clothes as ‘making us safe’.

My MP refused to rule it out when I asked her.

“ When you make something mandatory you have to know your enforcement plans and be prepared to carry them through.”

Well, they are not really enforcing masks either, but most people are wearing them.

I’m sure it’s a can of worms, but can you honestly say that a few months ago you would have foreseen the government enacting all the measures it has?

I have written to my doctor asking them what their view, and the views of any relevant professional bodies, is.

The way they push flu jabs and statins, what do you think?

Julian – how did you get on with your email to Toby on this subject?

They already sorted the law on that. As far as I remember, they can section you and force a vaccine on you, so you can’t claim assault.

Info here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzJpRvSUbl4

Indeed, that is why Simon Dolan’s appeal is so important.

The video suggesting that in UK you can be forcibly vaccinated under new laws is false, as even a cursory glance at the comments beneath it and some of the links demonstrate, see e.g.: https://www.gardencourtchambers.co.uk/coronavirus-legal-news-views/coronavirus-act-2020-does-it-permit-mandatory-vaccinations
But that aside, there is no incentive in UK to offer vaccination to any but the at risk population, just like the annual flu cocktail. It’s a pointless waste of money to do otherwise. The rest of us would just get whatever it is and hope to recover. (In a healthcare system driven by other incentives, like the US, it might be another matter.)

Everybody please sign the petition. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442 . Currently at 62,492 signatures.

The comments below that article are downright scary. Some want those who won’t have the vaccine to be fined, face 6 months quarantine, stopped from working, having any visitors, healthcare, or even face imprisonment.

“Some want those who won’t have the vaccine to be fined, face 6 months quarantine, stopped from working, having any visitors, healthcare, or even face imprisonment.”

Now, that is the really scary part. Some of your fellow citizens want the above.

Someone posted yesterday about the Stanford Prison Experiment – (this would not be allowed today due to update on ethical guidelines – thank goodness).

Well, there you go. Anyone questioning the fact that historically, human beings justified the disgusting treatment of others “for the greater good” it is here, and could be at your door soon.

How is a vaccine determined to be safe and effective?
Because a Trillion dollar industry says so!
With all the resources, and leverage that they have it must be true!

Until proven otherwise – and then it’s too late.

Hire a fleet of tractors and take them to #10 Downing Street. Announce to the Prime Minister that his residence has been condemned. See how he likes it.

I propose a new word, cacatopia ,* to mean ‘much worse worse than a dystopia’, to describe this, er, cacatopian world.

*This is my updated spelling for the archaic word cacotopia, updated to highlight the shittiness.

The moo cow boot has admitted the Scottish exam results was a mistake and the scottish government are going to correct things. The non exam exam results spat out by the covid19 exam-o-rama pro master 2 algorithm down graded the poorest areas most. The algorithm did not allow poor areas to achieve beyond their station thank you very much.

UK Column today covered a little of the Scottish Child Sexual Abuse inquiry. UKC reminded us that three heads of the inquiry team resigned together citing political interference. SNP Education John Swinney was involved say UKC today.

Tomorrow John Swinney Education SNP is to address the nation on the errors of the covid19 ‘make it all up as you go’ Exam Algorithm.

Let’s hope that they deal with rest of the ‘make-it-up-as-you-go-along’ mess as well.

She cannot maintain her shiny shiny head of cult persona for much longer.

I assume the “solution” will be everyone getting A++. Then they can all say “Thank you Nicola”

The cult algorithm o matic 2020 machine has been at work deciding if she can admit an error so large. Clearly the early warning system was telling them this is not survivable and action required. So a calculation to admit failure – spun to show how caring they are? We will see the creep show tomorrow.

Quite so; the Dear Leader will no doubt employ a bit of emotional incontinence-she has form- to emphasise her sincere contrition and desire to make restitution.

Cue- she felt like crying when she realised how the hopes of many youngsters had been dashed.

Now, will Ruth Davidson let rip as she should?

“Humility and show that we listen” are words just spoken by her.

The heart breaking shock for the pupils involved will stay with them.

I fancy they are going to be over generous and leave people knowing this years results are hollow. That’s the least harmful route I see for the cult.

My mother (88, in excellent health and a staunch supporter of our cause) still, somewhat masochistically, listens to James O’Brien’s phone-in on LBC. She’s waiting for a caller to hit him with some cold hard facts, but so far it’s the self-righteous cowards and ignoramuses who dominate the air time on his show.

I’ve always loathed him. (He generally exemplifies everything I despise about what the Left have morphed into: people like that never challenge dogma and are totally incapable of independent thinking.) But he’s an abomination these days, fully signed up to the Corona Cult and ridiculing dissenters as conspiracy theorists. The usual calumny. He clearly refuses to do the slightest bit of digging. Even taking “new infections” at face value. It’s not surprising, sadly.

Much as I dislike the idea of persecuting journalists and broadcasters, I feel that if/when the Nuremberg Trials Part Two finally come, there should be penalties for people of that ilk. A broadcaster has a responsibility to research and disseminate the facts and, where there is doubt and the presence of opposing views and theories, to address these. Most importantly, they need to distinguish between objective reality and opinion.

To fail to do so, and to continue spreading disinformation and propaganda, is at best a dereliction of duty – and at worst, criminal.

James O’Brien is poison

Sick the ‘Arsenic and Old Lace’ gals on him.

“ what the Left have morphed into”

Stop the stereotyping bollocks. This emergency needs more than narrow political axe-grinding.

(If you want to pick a political fight – just remember than the bastards who originated this scam are as Blue as all suffocation is)

I’m of the old-school left. I’m referring to the way in which classic left-wing ideas of fairness, opportunity, freedom and human dignity have been twisted by some into a very different -sometimes unrecognisable- entity.

Yes, I honestly have not found anything the left says has got my attention for a very very long time. It is actually quite strange as try as I might I cannot find a “lefty” speaker that appeals to me.

I used to naturally gravitate to the old style left, John Pilger, Chomsky, Galloway,Even Owen Jones before he took the blue pill with his comments on poverty and “the underclass”. The anti-war stance was a big pull for me too.

I do want to find a home in the left but it just a fake left, a state sponsored and controlled left.

Back in the day, there was an (annual, I think?) conference in London for A-level Politics students. Cunningly, they would place Tony Benn as the final speaker, thus ensuring that we all stayed until the end. It was at the time of the poll tax demos. Someone questioned him about his stance on that, and he said: “All our liberties were won by breaking the law … conscience is above the law.”

A really inspiration speaker. But I’d be hard pushed to think of any real statesmen/women at present.

Shame about Hillary. Best thing he ever did was have a girly elbow fight on the commons front benches with Corbyn live on telly. He looked like a childish fool as Corbyn wouldn’t move over to let him sit back in the seat

Tony is my one and only political hero. I once stood in a
queue for four hours to see him speak at my uni.
He was clearly half cut and he spent the entire hour smoking a cigar. Worth every minute of the wait.

My views are along the same lines.

I used to enjoy listening to James O’Brien on the way to work a few years ago, but got fed up with him going on about Brexit (even as a Remainer – I’d just got totally sick of hearing about the subject, from either side).
I’m definitely glad I don’t listen to him (or LBC at all) any more! It sounds like he’s become an archetype of the Covid-zealot/doomer/bedwetter camp – incredibly judgmental, self-righteous and opinionated at the same time as being poorly informed, ignorant and taking official pronouncements and “science” at face value.

Yep, that sums it up.

Peter Hitchens would disagree with your assessment that the bastards who originated this scam are Blue in any way, shape or form.
Cameron turned the Tory party into a close replica of Blair’s New Labour.

Politicians are made an offer they cant refuse – or blacklisted?
Corbyn was trawled for dirt and they found none and resorted to the race card. How can a man be ‘trusted’ (read reliably controlled or kept in check’ if you don’t have dirt on him?
There are all kinds of ways of being inducted into a willingness to sell out.
people have minds that compartmentalise so as not to know what they are doing.

I think that Cameron’s favourite activity when he was PM was debating in the House of Commons. And little else.

Blair’s party was never Labour – new or otherwise. We always called them the Pink Tories.

A leader must have the courage to act against an expert’s advice.
~ James Callaghan

Funny that, conservatives recognise that the modern “Conservative” Party are Blairites (as you might have seen a number of us say explicitly on here), and as Peter Hitchens has explained in several full length books.

The pink Tories! I love it

The main broadcasters as a whole are culpable, for spreading the fear and division we have experienced over the last few months, the management for allowing it to happen and individuals for engaging in the most irresponsible fear mongering this nation has ever been subjected to.

It is a ‘war’ and under ‘war’ all kinds of pressures are brought to bear.
War is used to shift the social order.

He was no different on Brexit.
I cannot stand him.

James O’Brien has such an inflated idea about his own importance and intellect that I’m surprised he is able to fit his (unnaturally large) head into the studio.

I’ve just dropped into my GP practise to get a piss-tube and make book a time-slot with the diabetes nurse.

Now – I’ve never had any complaints about this practise. Good doctors and nurses, competent receptionists etc. Always the routine – if things were urgent, it’s been easy to drop down at 08:00, queue with a handful of others and get an appointment on the day.

Now? I’ve had less trouble visiting Wakefield nick.

Despite reluctant donning of face-nappy – door locked, with unanswered intercom (piss tubes,fortunately, left outside). Only alternative – to get back on the ‘engaged’ telephone and wait or pray.

.. or just die quietly.

F. me!

Crazy

Just pee through the letterbox and tell them you’ve dropped your sample off!!

Unfortunately the cleaner didn’t make the policy.

https://twitter.com/9thfloor/status/1292774712280584192/photo/1

This is great. To be printed out and carry with you if you do not want to wer a mask(Picked up in a twitter feed Simon Dolan)

Just sent off a nasty email to our church administrators. One of our church websites says:
“We have also made the decision that people should wear face masks
(unless they have a doctor’s permission not to do so).”
Politely pointing them to the rules and the BMA page saying surgeries will not issue certificates….

Half encouraging reply. Our minister has agreed to update the guidance and remove the doctor’s permission bit. She then suggested I wore a visor if I had problems with masks….. Then in her follow up email she asked where exemption lanyards could be obtained, I suggested the sunflower ones most supermarket customer service have, and of course the government one on the link I had already sent her. To wrap it up she agreed that for many of us lack of lip reading is a real issue. Maybe I am slowly getting there..

Wouldn’t it be great if the lanyards were handed out the congregation as they enter the church?

Does this include Scotland?

Did anyone else on here, especially NOT in the south west, receive a leaflet last year entitled “What will you do if it happens to you?”. It’s a cartoony thing telling you blindingly obvious things to do in the event of severe weather, a terrorist attack, a major transport incident, loss of essential services, or “Disease (pandemic flu or animal disease)”. It was produced by the Devon, Cornwall and isles of Scilly Local Resilience Forum. Are there other such local forums (fora) nationwide? If so, did they all produce such leaflets last year? Were they centrally coordinated? Did they know something we didn’t? I don’t really subscribe to the conspiracy theories some on here write about (partly because dwelling on them too much would destroy my fragile mental state even more than lockdown already has), though I do believe in the cock up followed by a conspiracy to cover the cock up theory. But I do wonder about this leaflet.

I havent seen a leaflet like that but I was aware of things like this circulating. I thought at the time it was to “stir-up” fear about climate change, scary weather, terrorism. But yes the disease bit is quite chilling with hindsight. I am sure that the priming process for the Corona Project was well under way by November last year perhaps just before the floods and so hidden messaging was being dripped out to useful idiots who make these sort of publications. Not that they would know they were being brainwashed.

Not here. I would have framed it if I had.

Not in the North west either

I think that the Local Resilience Forums are country-wide as part of general disaster management. Often such things have become more visible because of flooding as that seems to happen so regularly now. However I am pretty sure all local authorities are required to have disaster plans in place, and quite right too, really.

Interesting, non-dogmatic analysis of Swedish attitudes from ‘Unherd’ :

https://unherd.com/2020/08/why-sweden-is-different-when-it-comes-to-covid/

I can’t wear a face mask so have avoided anywhere that requires one for fear of confrontation and shaming, but feel I’m being edged out of society. However, I went to small local branch of supermarket chain today. Felt uncomfortable but 4/10 people in there not wearing masks and no one batted an eyelid. Ironic moment when person in front of me at checkout tripped over an arrow sign that had lifted off the floor and almost crashed through the cashier’s Perspex screen!

Prior to this, I dined at a local restaurant. No masks, no signs, discreet hand sanitiser at entrance, tables slightly further apart which was an improvement as it gave it a nice spacious feeling when it usually feels quite cramped, and everything looking gleamingly clean. I forgot I was in the middle of a ‘global pandemic’.

It’s been a good day!

Glad to hear it!
I often wonder how many out-and-out zombies there are, in the real world as opposed to MSM.I keep on meeting quite sane people, particularly those on holiday who are quietly having a good time. They won’t commit to scepticism, they keep their heads down, but if you offered them the old normal they’d take it like a shot.

https://www.cmaj.ca/content/192/32/E921&nbsp ; “Addressing the indirect effects of COVID-19 on the health of children and young people” Canadian article published today
 The indirect deaths of lockdown??? “Delayed presentations for pediatric illness have been reported. In one 5-day period across 5 hospitals in Italy, 12 cases of delayed access to hospital for illnesses not related to COVID-19 were reported: 6 of the patients required intensive care and 4 died ” “ A recent survey of 1000 pediatricians across the United States found that, compared with 2 months prior, vaccination rates decreased the week of Apr. 5, 2020, by 50% for measles, mumps and rubella and by 42% for diphtheria and whooping cough. ” WHO glorious role “On May 22, the World Health Organization reported that routine childhood vaccination services had been suspended or postponed in 68 lower-income countries, affecting more than 80 million children under the age of 1 year, in part owing to a lack of transport of vaccines between countries and health care personnel. This will reduce herd immunity to common infectious diseases of childhood globally.”

And Bill Gates and co will leap into that gap with their Microsoft vaccine…

microdot not Microsoft…

This is directly associated with and correlating to a decrease in infant mortality and SIDS.

“Global Lockdowns Will Plunge 100 Million into Extreme Poverty”

Well, yeah. That’s hardly a surprise, and was predicted several months ago.

https://www.tfp.org/the-most-monumental-social-engineering-and-ideological-transshipment-effort-in-history/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Apocalyptic+Consequences+of+Mass+Hysteria&utm_campaign=TFP200508m+-+Apocalyptic+Consequences+of+Mass+Hysteria

“The Most Monumental Social Engineering and Ideological Transshipment Effort in History
April 26, 2020 | The American TFP

The Devastating Social Impact of the “Great Shutdown”: the Pandemic of Extreme Poverty
The global result will be an exponential increase in extreme poverty. “I see no historical equivalent to the threat that COVID-19 poses to the most vulnerable populations,” said Robin Guittard, Oxfam campaign manager in France. In a study released on April 8, researchers at King’s College London and the National University of Australia predict that the pandemic could bring extreme poverty to half a billion of the planet’s inhabitants, destroying the progress made in the past three decades.

The Increase in Deaths From Hunger in Poor Countries Will Be Much Greater Than That of COVID-19 Victims
The consequences of this exponential increase in poverty on the health of impoverished populations will be disastrous. Even the World Health Organization, the biggest promoter of strict stay-at-home measures, recognizes that there is a close link between extreme poverty and poor health. In a study published in conjunction with the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, it recognizes the obvious, namely, that “The poor suffer worse health and die younger. They have higher than the average child and maternal mortality, higher levels of disease, and more limited access to health care and social protection.”31

Consequently, more than 3.42 million people died of hunger in the first months of 2020, a daily average of 30,800 deaths. That is, almost five times more than the global number of deaths by COVID-19 on April 5, the day registering the highest number of fatalities (6,367 victims) worldwide so far.”

There’s a lot, lot more to this article I’ve just posted. Worth reading in full.

Hi all

What is the actual position on schools and social distancing?

What happened since this? https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/25/schools-scrap-social-distancing-double-class-sizes-september-12900679/

Is it purely the unions and the minority of cowardly teachers making life hell for all children?

Thanks

LT

Well … reading the actual guidance doesn’t give that impression at all. There’s still all the bullshit about ‘bubbles’ and it’s obvious that the attempt is not to specify but to throw the onus back on schools.

Frankly – the demands remain intolerable if you want to get on with education.

My kids going back to school tomorrow, no social distancing being enforced. There will be a one way system round the school, don’t see it be adhered to.

Today’s pic of de Piffle on a primary school visit suggests some distancing is being imposed. Don’t know what other measures will apply though.

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Every time I see his stupid face I want to cover it with a piss-soaked muzzle. Here Doris, shut up and breathe in. Breathe in deep.

To be fair he’d normally pay for that wouldn’t he

I propose that we find out which ministers, civil servants, any and all pro-lockdown advocates had a bout with Covid-19. Those that did should have all their properties, their haunts, clubs, favourite cafés, restaurants, libraries, friends home, etc condemned and knocked down in a continuing effort to reach Zero. If you want to play this game with us then you’ll have to make your own contribution to the well being of the community like you are requesting us to do. Start sending them tweets, emails and such to let them know that what they are proposing should apply to them as well because what is good for the goose is also good for the gander. Honk! Honk!

Your logic escapes me. Why should those ministers etc who have NOT been infected (is this what you mean by ‘had a bout’?) with CV19 not be blamed, as much as those who did?

I didn’t say ministers who have not been infected, I specified ministers, civil servants, maids, valets and you name ’em who were either infected or were in close contact with those who were. Besides that, anyone who even tests positive but is asymptomatic is considered a risky person. Right?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTDy3Vdpfn66LdWb-GH8RspN4vvm4gSJu2vYA&usqp=CAU

Scottish teeth, coming to a place near you.

Now let us give praise to the Dear Leader for a caries ridden future.

I am just home from meeting a friend for a walk around a lovely walled garden (hand sanitiser at the entrance? WHY?) with a small museum so masks needed. I said I won’t be wearing one. She said she is pleased about masks so I asked her why – she said they show other people you care about them, as you don’t want to infect them! Although she didn’t seem to be worried about infecting me with none existing virus nor was she worried I would infect her even though I live in the plague ridden northern lockdown zone. So it’s only strangers who have it then! Next she said everyone in Japan wears them. Of course I told her they still get proportional flu deaths. I asked when would it be safe to stop wearing them? She said never, we must get used to them so we stop spreading all diseases around!!!

So that’s another person off my list of people it is possible to meet up with without exploding!!

Just how did humanity survive?

Well indeed. I think people have lost complete sight of immune systems. If we encounter no illness we will have reduced immunity.

That is because they weren’t taught enough important subjects at school.

Wot like lissernin’ and finkin’ and kwestshunin’?

I’ve just been amazed at how ignorant people are about basic science especially how the human body works.

Jesus wept.

Maybe we are witnessing the end as we know it?

Our numbers here seem to be growing and growing. Perhaps some kind of turning point will come.

I hope so

We keep hoping.
It may take a long time.
But I am more bloody stubborn and bolshy than all the country’s zombies put together.
And so are you, yeah?

Undoubtedly – if it’s left up to the sheeple to resist.

“ she said they show other people you care about them”

No – they show that your head is stuck far up your own arse in a futile gesture of virtue-signalling.

Yes. Just so pleased I can let off steam here. I will have to avoid her.

I don’t think this breaks down left or right it seems to be about attitudes to illness, and freedom of choice. We have lost our way big time. I don’t think it will end well.

i think it’s people’s attitude to risk and thinking for themselves.
Not directly related to virus but i travel a lot abroad on my own independently usually SE Asia. When I tell others they say “ohh no i couldn’t go on holiday by myself to those places”. I think why the hell not…it’s so much easier now with the internet than back in the 80s clutching my Lonely Planet SE Asia on a shoestring guide. If you want to, go and there’s lots of different tour companies if makes feel safer.
Anyway people live in a safe little cotton wool bubble and don’t want to take any risks outside to extend their comfort zone beyond the end of the street. It’s fair enough i guess and we all have a ‘comfort zone’ just some larger than others!

I wonder if the scare tactics has caused a regression to childhood in some people, playing a giant game of let’s pretend.

Well this has made me think perhaps some people want to be protected because they are too afraid to make decisions for themselves. Where is this all going to end.

Foxy Loxy is taking us to Owlsy Wowsy who will know what to do.
Decision is a responsibility in our own heart and mind. I cant live your live for you or override your will. Nor do I want to.
I see fear as the basis for Chicken Licken syndrome – that runs with Foxy Loxy as an infected farmyard – unless our feelings and their underlying beliefs are fully owned and brought to awareness – rather than cast out (literally scripted to flag or assign away from self) so as to mask over a false sense of escape.
But it is unsettling, disturbing and we are frequently triggered to deeper fear that our minds recoil from. Finding the courage of heart to move through fear is a relational willingness. Practice willingness for life at every opportunity – regardless the conditions. Or dramatise and indulge a private sense of grievance and self vindication that seeks to be right rather than facing or owning truths we are not comfortable in accepting.

In that case, face nappies aren’t even fetishes, they’re dummies.

what a knob

People who have succumbed to the brainwashing like this are merely repeating machine scripts. They have no capacity for independent thought. To all intents and purposes, they are no longer human. These are extremely dangerous times.

We really are dissidents aren’t we.

Welcome to the club

Not forgetting the many that have only started “caring about others” since it became a fine-able offence and soon is it’s made optional won’t give two hoots about granny.

Ok – now share your own thoughts please.
i am not saying there is no point in what you said – but that the accuser so often does the thing they accuse – unwitting.

No need to dehumanise others – but address a dehumanising agenda – that operates a pretext by which to demonise, deny or destroy them.

Zombies are not human.
That’s why my regular greeting is now ‘Stay human!”

I show people I care by giving them a hug.

What is really depressing and worrying is that after many years of ‘education’ the ‘educated’ do not understand that they have an immune system let alone how it might work for them – maybe our teachers are now too thick to teach.

It isn’t in the national curriculum?

There are no appropriate biology tick-boxes for climbing the league tables?

Currently in Croatia about an hour and a half south of Split. Face masks a rarity and life normal with tourists from all over Europe . Social distancing not going on. Virus what virus? Unfortunately returning to the country formally known as Great Britain tomorrow. Spotted this barman who new the best place for his face mask was on his elbow just in case the authorities turn up.

I’m about to book a Sunday to Thursday trip to Pula, based on the Croatia article in LS a few days ago

Me and the oh have been going to Croatia for the last 9 years, go to rovinj about a 40 minute drive from pula, beautiful old town. Gutted to miss out this year.

thanks

You are welcome, great seafood and pizza restaurants in rovinj, cheap too. Local beer is not bad either

I can recommend Lopud, about an hour’s ferry ride from Dubrovnik, if you haven’t been there.

It’s still a fishing port, there are no cars on the island, but with some lovely walks around the island, which has been a resort island since the 19th century, and is still unspoilt nonetheless. I’d love to live there if I could!

Don’t know about how things are there at the moment though, but worth a look when this madness is over.

Also went to Pula about a year ago, and really enjoyed it, so hope you have a good time too!

Have made a note Rovinj for future reference – the pictures I’ve just looked at lovely.

Great good to know as I will be going next week. Thanks.

I have one word to say to those of you considering going to Croatia:

ZADAR.

One of my favourite places in the world

We spent last New Years Eve in Zagreb. Brilliant.

Is it near the ocean? Reasonable cost of living index?

Dalmatian coast. (Up from Dubrovnik but nicer imo and way less busy)
Food and drink is very reasonable. Hotels vary from the very cheap to the very expensive. Booze pretty cheap also.
Very easy access to islands like Hvar (which are expensive and touristy but beautiful).

I was in that area when it when it was still communist, beautiful and totally unspoiled but in a commie lack of investment way.

This real total death data from Sweden from this excellent18 twitter thread https://twitter.com/HaraldofW/status/1292805370616975363 The amazing finding that there was no pandemic below 65 in Sweden as regards deaths in fact less.And Fauci and project fear compare this to Spanish flu!!

https://twitter.com/HaraldofW/status/1292805370616975363

No routine testing of all school pupils when they go back.

Is this an effort to keep quiet how unreliable the pcr test is?

False positives in a school could quickly decimate confidence in the system.

Agree.

Is this a new announcement? The last I saw they *were* going to test all pupils, which would be worrying since a) CV19 is now being referred to as ‘coronavirus’ which gives them a catchall means to b) use the legislation already enacted which enables them to compulsorily ‘kidnap’ (and treat..vaccinate?) children for 14 days without having to even inform their parents…

It was gov person today on tv news. Cannot cite more.

I think it was suggested by “an expert”.
Weekly testing would cost a fortune for no purpose.

Since I think they said they would close a school if there were more than two positive cases (I might be wrong on that one), perhaps they’ve worked out that pretty much all schools would be closed indefinitely if they do carry out routine testing!

Especially with the likelihood of some false positives.

We must be annoying the right people if they are starting counterinsurgency this quickly:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8611849/Moment-megaphone-wielding-anti-mask-activists-storm-Morrisons-shouting-resist-new-world-order.html

Says to me we’re doing something right.

”anti mask activists” – where are these pr*cks coming from – we are pro normal, pro reality, and anti – state sponsored irrational fear and hysteria induced insanity

If anything, I hope we’re all pro-choice activists … you can wear a mask if you want to, but don’t demand we do, or force us by any means.

Went out with my wife, mum-in-law and step-son today. To the embarrassment of Mrs Dee and myself , my mum-in-law and stepson chose to wear masks (we’re in Wales, so not mandatory). Their choice – but I gave them the spiel about how it was completely useless in case they wanted to change their minds.

I think they both did it just out of bloody-mindedness and to be different (as virtually nobody else in the town was wearing masks!). It was all for show, my wife and I agree.

I despair… I ended up just taking the piss out them to their faces every time they came out of a shop all masked up and sweltering.

yes, I will defend anyone’s right to wear a face nappy or any other form of covering/clothing they chose to as much as I will defend the right of anyone to not wear the same – I really do not care what others chose to cover themselves with. But I will kick back if people try to dictate to me.

I have no problem with voluntary mask-wearing (and I mean genuinely voluntary… not “it’s voluntary unless you don’t do it – then it will be mandatory!”

The stupid thing about this is that before it became mandatory, someone wearing a mask in a shop often indicated that they were overly nervous or were actually vulnerable (especially the elderly) and so would prefer other shoppers kept to the 2m distance, whilst not being masked signals you’re probably OK with 1m distance (which is more or less the same as normal “personal space” anyway). Now there’s no way to tell!

Similarly, now everyone is masked, people seem to be far less bothered with social distancing in shops (in my experience) even though this, unlike masks, actually does reduce the spread of the virus by a significant amount. Of course with the low level of infection and high level of immunity in the UK now, there’s really no need for either in most places, but it’s really silly that people are so willingly adopting a “safety” measure that, put bluntly, doesn’t work, and at the same time abandoning a far less uncomfortable and dehumanising measure that actually does work.

Yep, the false security of face nappies lead to less social distancing, and if face nappies do not prevent spread (as most non political studies suggest) – then face nappies are more likely to spread the virus than being nappy free – simple logic

I haven’t clicked this but be aware the capacity to smear via false flags. If you have the stomach, look into Operation Gladio.
Human solidarity is resilient or immune to false control agendas and so it has to be eradicated and replaced with a subverted narrative or denied support by association with hateful acts.

Think it would be expected a falsge flag or two of similar protests might earn genuine, reasonable dissenters with a reputation.

These bastards are not going to fight clean.

I’m not an anti-mask activist

I’M A PRO-NORMALITY ACTIVIST

(Need a tshirt)

Just had my second response from the D of T to my request for their health and safety policy for wearing face masks on long journeys. We are about to embark on one in a couple of weeks and one of our number may well have to travel muzzled.

Needless to say their reply was virtually the same as the previous response: government policy, dangerous epidemic, list of exemptions etc etc but no mention at all of a health and safety policy.

As these responses are a result of me contacting my MP and the email sent by the D of T does not allow a reply, I have written to him again and asked him to put my request in more simple terms:

1. Have they done a risk assessment on the health and safety of wearing a face mask for long periods of time yes/no?
2. If the answer is yes may I then be sent a copy please?
3. If the answer is no, why not?

These seem to be pretty reasonable questions to ask don’t they especially as I’ve watched the Spanish scientist performing tests on used masks!

Did you quote the government’s downgrading of the virus prior to the lockdown?

No Carrie, but I’ve already done that in one of the many emails that my MP has received from me.

Update from around Chesterfield:

A few unofficial signs springing up on lamp posts proclaiming (paraphrased) “No return to school until it is safe.”

More positively, there seems to be very little need to use a mask exemption card in local businesses and even more pleasingly engaging in conversation with people suggets a simmering level of scepticism creeping in.

I would be inclined to do a bit of graffiti on those signs. Suggestions: No life until it is safe, Stay in your self imposed prison until it is safe, No freedom until living to 100 guaranteed, Let’s all die alone until it’s safe, Cancel everything until it’s safe etc. etc.

I totally agree, I particularly loved those halcyon days where no one ever died.

The Preston “don’t kill granny” signs deserve the addition “… let us do the job for you”

On a more serious note, I think the idea of graffiti/signs that take things to the logical extreme (no life until it’s 100% safe, etc.) might be a really good idea – they might be more likely to make people stop and think than a straightforward counter-message like “be free”.

Lovely idea – adding no life is safe. I can never think of how best to doctor!

My two answers to that sign: When is it safe then? and Sweden.
Good to hear about gradually increasing scepticism up your way, or at least apathy towards the charade. Unfortunately, Southerners are clearly much slower on the uptake.

There may be North/South divide, however my admittedly unscientific observations in Sheffield at the weekend suggests it’s very varied.

Ugh Sheffield. That bastion of Yorkshire wokedom

100% with you there!

You should make some stickers saying “thank goodness it is safe then”.

Great idea.

On that note, when my neighbour said “when the pandemic is over” I responded with “it is over by definition.” Blank look in response. An otherwise intelligent person, reduced to a gibbering mess.

Now that LS has its own dating ‘agency’ – maybe the next step is a travel agency, there is a travel agent expert in here already, but I can’t remember who it is…

Maybe there is a market for trips to nappy free sane havens with no imprisonment when you return home….

Offhands?

I run a small independent travel consultancy (hate the word agent) and would be happy to help anyone on the site and am exploring the options for ‘Safe Haven’ holidays.

Just as an aside, these are the latest figures from within the market:

Summer 2020: -280%
Winter 20/21: -98%

Cruise -89%
Long Haul -148%

Jesus.

Scary figures. There were several articles today in trade press talking about the mental issues caused and how after constant abuse about refund delays etc, many are just walking away from travel. ABTA are also offering courses on how to transfer your skills to another industry and free counselling. It is looking really bleak and the WTTC predicting up to 3 million jobs in UK tourism and hospitality could be lost:

https://wttc.org/News-Article/Nearly-3million-UK-Travel-Tourism-jobs-could-be-lost-due-to-prolonged-travel-restrictions

Really sorry. There’s a difference between knowing how destructive this whole thing is and seeing specific evidence of a small part of the damage.

What matt said!

It’s bad for everyone who has had this done to them by matters completely outside any possible control they could apply. It’s especially unfair that it should happen to people like yourself (and Bart Simpson who posts here, possibly facing redundancy due to the similar fall off in business in her sphere), who saw through the nonsense early on and didn’t support it.

I was due a hair appointment on the 28th. After my previous experience, when the salon owner was very twitchy about my mask exemption. I had decided to cancel and go elsewhere. Anyway he rang to change the day and I told him I was cancelling because of the continuing coronapanic. He told me that it was now mandatory to wear a mask. I reminded him that I’m medically exempt and he agreed but then repeated that masks are mandatory. I repeated what I’d said, that the Government acknowledges exemptions and he agreed but said maybe it was better that I was cancelling as ‘You’d be sitting there without a mask when another customer had to wear one.’

Take-home message: ‘I don’t give a shit about your respiratory condition. I would rather you make yourself ill by wearing a mask so you don’t upset my posher knicker-wetters’.

Good riddance, even though he’s an ace cutter. It also serves me right for using a ‘high-end’ salon due to inappropriate vanity at my advanced age!

Then the phone went again. The optician. I need an eye test, also on the 28th, so I warned the receptionist about my medical exemption. She has to check with the optician but thinks it will be OK as she will be ‘fully protected’ (against the Black Death I’ll obviously be spreading everywhere!) I am so reassured by this!! (Irony alert )

Good for you. But, there is no such thing as inappropriate vanity!

Now don’t encourage me!

Opticians exempt https://www.opticianonline.net/news/opticians-exempt-from-face-mask-regulations but see https://www.aop.org.uk/ot/professional-support/aop/2020/07/24/face-masks-not-mandatory-for-patients-in-optical-practices-according-to-new-government-regulations .

Thanks. The optician is called Karen so wish me luck!

Chinook flying low over Wrexham, about 30 seconds ago. Used to be quite exciting when this rare event happened, but now – quite chilling…

Have a look here: https://www.adsbexchange.com/
It’s quite interesting. Click the “U” button top right of the tracking map and it filters out everything but military aircraft. I can’t see a Chinook over Wrexham but that could be because it is not transmitting ADSB data. It could be tactical.

Trip to Sainsbury’s today. Just one other clean face inside (except for staff, of course)
Two new things though
1) Card pay only sign at counter: I asked if money was now poisonous, she said -the virus travels on £10 notes, I said strange how that wasn’t a problem last week, she said – but we didn’t have COVD then. (I was lost for words!!) She handed me my payment receipt, I asked if it was safe to handle…………………….
2) No entry restrictions so the sheep have decided that they should stand in line to take turns with the holy water dispenser at the door. Hope that makes them feel good, it won’t do much else after all.

Coronaphobia is really getting worse. It’s just insane.

Are all the tills card only? That’s an evil dystopia when you’re talking about buying basic essentials.

Keep buying loads of things that cost under £1, on separate occasions. It will cost them a fortune in card fees.

Travels only on ten pound notes, or other notes as well?!

I couldn’t bear to ask!

The note has to be big enough – the virus is about the size of a small hamster, we know this, because it can’t pass through cloth or tissue paper masks.

tracked with card payment

Thye’ve been doing that for years!

I saw a craft-shop today with a sign outside it saying Cash Only. Made my day…

Lincolnshire Coast calling…

The chippies and ice cream parlours that opened up have been strictly cash only for eight weeks to my knowledge throughout Cleethorpes, Mablethorpe and Skegness. All open now, all taking any kind of payment with a smile.

Very few masks in evidence, except Asda, where we have been doing the necessary shop. The queues stopped about five or six weeks ago. There are no longer any stickers for a one way system (which everybody ignored anyway as the three sets of aisles are stepped and an odd number). I saw only two staff with masks last Saturday in the massive superstore. A number of customers without masks (me included). No hassle. Very welcoming and helpful.

Went to my Sainsbury’s Local the other night at about 9.30 for bread and milk. One staff member at the till, four adult customers, two kids around 10 or 13. No queue, no masks.

Have faith, folk.

My favourite Chinese greasy spoon is still cash only.

From the Swedish ER doctor about T cells immunity from the study Karolinska Stockholm https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/08/08/what-is-the-best-way-to-measure-rates-of-covid-immunity/&nbsp ; “Now we can look at the exposed family members. Remember, this was a group of people that had not shown signs of symptomatic disease. In this group, 60% had antibodies (17/28), while 93% had T-cells! (26/28). This is pretty astonishing, and it shows two things. Firstly, if you lived with someone who had covid then you were most likely also infected. This is true even if you didn’t have symptoms, and even though you didn’t have symptoms, you most likely developed an adaptive immune response. Secondly, that immune response involved T-cells more often than antibodies. ”

so healthy people who have healthy immune systems deal with this latest pathogen in a fuss free healthy way…

https://twitter.com/befree200/status/1290256058850537480?s=20

Anti lockdown march centenary square, Birmingham August 15th, this Saturday, 12 noon

There is a very interesting YouTube video called ‘If Bill Gates Was President…’ . I didn’t realise he answered the question in a TV interview recently. Well worth listening to his answers as he is very much the power behind the scenes. If you believe life is going to go back to the ‘old normal’ you will be disappointed, the ‘new normal’ is being rolled out at full speed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX_jYEI6Z3Q

Very revealing interview.

The bit about when the WHO declared swine flu an international emergency caused contracts to be triggered whereby governments were obliged to buy huge stocks of vaccines.

Real nest of vipers!

Well worth a listen – try double speed if you’re pushed for time!

Once you see the bigger picture of what is going on things sadly start to make more sense. The petty diktats are just a distraction but gain all the attention.

The chief WHO clown praising the northern lockdowns confirms the measures are, beyond any doubt, completely nonsensical and pointless.

where is that?

WHO chief praises northern England lockdown as global Covid-19 cases edge towards 20 million

The Telegraph

Report in the Telegraph.

Thanks

Fairly depressing experience yesterday. We all went to Broadway, near Evesham for an afternoon out. Very beautiful little Cotswold town and in the past has always been a very nice day out, poking around the shops, taking the kids to the very good play park, that sort of thing.

Anyway, almost every single shop had a sign outside it (presumably generated by the council) saying among other things “face masks compulsory”. The worst offender was the Broadway Deli, which had a home-made sign outside saying “no mask, no service”.

So anyway, I’ve drafted this email to send them. As soon as I can find an actual email address (as opposed to a contact form on the website) I’ll be sending it.

Dear sir/madam,
As a regular visitor to the area, I have frequently in the past enjoyed visiting your shop, either to use the cafe, or to buy produce from the deli, or both. On a visit to Broadway on Sunday 9th August, however, I did not do so and will not be shopping with you again unless and until you review your discriminatory signage at the door.
As you are clearly aware, the government has mandated the wearing of ‘face coverings’ in shops and other enclosed spaces as of 24th July 2020. The gov.uk explanation of the relevant legislation can be found here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own
I would draw your attention to the fact that you as a business have no obligation in the law to advertise or to enforce this mandate. I would further draw your attention to the list of exemptions, summarized on the page linked above. In short, a large number of people, myself included, are exempt from the requirement to wear a ‘face covering’ for reasons including a physical impairment or disability. There is no requirement on the individual to provide evidence of this exemption and no expectation that any business should challenge an exempt individual or request or require any evidence or explanation of their exemption. Indeed, the government advice is not to challenge people who are not wearing a face covering.
The reason for this advice is that making such a challenge may make the business and/or its employees corporately or personally liable for an offence payable on summary conviction to pay a fine of up to £5,000 (section 12 (aiding contraventions) of the Equality Act 2010) and/or for an Act of Disability Discrimination and be ordered to pay to any individual who suffers injury to feelings compensation of between £900 to £9,000 (section 119 (remedies) of the Equality Act 2010 ( https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/contents ). This legislation is still in force and unaffected by the face coverings mandate or by any other measures currently in force under the 1984 Public Health Act.
I would suggest that your sign at the entry to your shop “no mask, no service” with no indication that exemptions apply, represents clear discrimination against those who, for reasons of disability, are unable to wear a ‘face covering’. No one should feel that they will be refused service as a result of their disability (whether obvious or hidden) or to explain their condition to anybody other than a police office, a police community support officer or a person designated by the local authority or by the Secretary of State for the purpose of enforcement.
I note that many of the premises on Broadway High Street have signs, presumably distributed by the local authority, stipulating that face coverings are compulsory. I will also be writing to some of these other premises and to the council highlighting that these too are discriminatory. Your own “no mask, no service” notice, however, is especially egregious. I strongly recommend you reconsider your policy and remove this sign, or amend it to make it clear that you acknowledge that some are unable to wear a mask and that the Broadway Deli has no intention of discriminating against them.

I look forward to an acknowledgment of this email and to the details of the steps you will be taking to correct this problem.

Best regards,
XXXX

On the plus side, the place where we had lunch had absolutely no indication at all that they’d ever even heard of coronavirus. Very nice.

Great letter!

If you go to Broadway again pop up the road to The Snowshill Arms, they’re very cool, very sensible & normal.

Didn’t go there this time, but have before. Very nice pub.

I visited Broadway way back in 1976. Lovely.

‘No mask no service” – by extension that must mean “No mask, no food – you die”. Is this not a denial of human rights? The right to life?

The government have introduced a law that instigates a denial of human rights. Well, that’s my view m’lud.

Impressive letter. Hope you find an email address for them.

Worth printing it and sending it by post if you can’t?

Bravo, that man.

info@broadwaydeli.co.uk

If you fail to get a positive response, let us know on here and we can give them a few 1-star reviews on Google maps.

Thank you! Mail now sent.

Great letter.
Broadway us pretty, but also also prissy i.m.o.
Not altogether surprised by their nastiness.
Hope their beastly shops remain empty.

Excellent letter. Hope you do send it, shops and eateries especially those who say “no mask, no service” should be challenged robustly.

Hi all

I have to say that I’m getting extremely worked up about the impending reopening of schools.

I feel like it’s make or break time.

Can anyone think of a legal case where we just point at Sweden and say “Duh?” “Can we go back to normal now please?”

How can the Government (despite what they’re currently saying) / Schools / teachers / unions / idiotic parents between them ignore FACTS.

Has anyone here got ANY ideas no matter how simple about how to to make this stop?

Thanks

Occams razor but I’m afraid it would involve completely removing the Cabinet. Does anyone know a reliable hitman?

I think there are unlimited legal cases through out this nonsense, just takes money to crack with them.

JRs are great but slow, maybe injunctions (if this is possible) are quicker.

Apparently the schools chose to close due to government guidelines, maybe each school needs to be legally challenged individually.

Next week Swedish schools re-open for the autumn term. If there is no spike in infections (unlikely as even overall case numbers over here are dropping fast now) then that will make an even stronger case for Uk schools to re-open without restrictions..

Unfortunately the noise here refuses to recognise reality, Sweden has well and truly proven their case to any impartial observer

Yes. I keep rem8ning myself of the absurd ruling in Simon Dolan’s case the schools remained open but chose to close – you could have sent your children anyway.

Several schools around here remained open for children of key workers and vulnerable kids. Don’t know if it was possible to send yours if not in those categories

I’m very worried about it too. They’re building it up to be this enormous thing so it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. As soon as a couple of kids get ill or test positive, there will be mass panic and the whole country will be sent into lockdown again to prioritise the schools. Christmas will of course be cancelled. This will probably go on all winter. I’m dreading September!

I don’t think it’ll be another national lockdown straight away. Local “restrictions” seem to be the trend and they’ve already hinted at closing pubs before schools. But it could be easily spread into a de facto national lockdown as with the foot-and-mouth culling. Cancelling Christmas must be a step too far though.

Just waiting for the foot and mouth style culling you can see Ferguson et al advocating it

Cancelling New Year for Brexit is a possibility though, certainly in Kent. With exceptions, to let the food lorries through.

No idea whatsoever, I’m afraid; the only thing to do is let this craziness burn itself out. The hard way. It will lead to a further calamitous drop in GDP, the making permanent of the reduced level of “service” from the NHS (and, my God, weren’t they idiots, and everyone who clapped too, to go along with the nonsense in the first place?) massive loss of jobs and the introduction of totalitarian behaviour controls. When the pain of _that_ hits the average Conservative voter then things might change.

Yep. Those Conservative voters have a lot to answer for – only a dim duggie would have failed to see what a bunch of tossers they were supporting. Conservative Party members who backed the narcissistic slob have even more to answer for.

Penance required from both. Blame where blame is due.

Haven’t seen much pushback from Labour…

What use are the facts if they’re not believed? Several others have said about how the age of reason is over.

Simple. Don’t pay them. Don’t pay the civil servants if they don’t go to work. Don’t pay the teachers if they don’t teach. Don’t pay the GP’s if they don’t practice. Don’t pay the social workers if they don’t work.
When they say it’s not safe to go back, what they mean is it’s not worth the risk if you get paid regardless.

Agh! Beam me up Scotty! I popped my head round the door of my village shop a few minutes ago. I knew I’d be wasting my time, but my conscience told me I should at least try. The proprietor told me weeks ago that she was dreading having to wear a mask as, due to a previous experience (which I won’t detail), she is afraid of them. She now wears a mask all the time she is in the shop. I told her the law exempts those working in shops. Her reply (not verbatim) “I know. But I don’t want to infect anyone and I don’t want word to get around that an infection came from my shop”. And yet she wasn’t wearing a mask at the height of all this nonsense! She has a sign by the entrance saying “masks must be worn…”. I asked her to add “unless you are exempt”, but she refused, saying no need as “everyone knows there are exemptions and no shops have signs which talk about exemptions” (again, not verbatim). I said that she was wrong, as many of the big shops now do have such signs (I read that here) and some vulnerable people have become frightened by thinking that they have to wear masks to go shopping. But she’d tuned me out by now, so I told her I’d said all I had to say and moved away from her doorway.

Possibly only the closing-down of her business due to shrinking customer-base will bring her to her senses. Tragically, that is going to be as true for all businesses operating in the real world. (Unless, of course, they get sufficient income from the sheeple.)

James: probably her business won’t close down. Our village is full of elderly people who are fully signed up to the terror campaign, as I have discovered by trying to suggest to a few of my fellow villagers that they are comparatively safe compared to many other risks.

Good try. Sadly limited results, but you are far from alone in that. We must rely on persistence and time, and count on truth winning out.

tell her you’ll return when treated as a human being – her loss!

I woke up with an earworm this morning. Haven’t heard it since I was at Sunday School over 50 years ago!

Anyway, the more it wormed in my ear, the more I realised how appropriate to us the words are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My9rYr8xzng

All hail to Toby’s band!

Apparently the incompetent halfwits that are fucking up our once great country are sending the Royal Air Force to ‘buzz” the people who are trying to reach the UK in dinghies from semi-civilised and safe France, and the Royal Navy is going to wave the migrants away at the half way point, with white hankies I guess.

Any sensible observer will realise that this is designed to look good for the morons in the UK that watch the news and think its news (and wet their beds), but in the real world the people smugglers instructions will be, ‘your route to the UK will come in the form of a big Royal Navy warship, when you see one of these, stab tour inflatable buoyancy and wait for your taxi’.

The only way to sort the problem is to return these good people back to safe France, from whence they came. I am not against these good people, and if I were one of them I would like to think I’d make it to the UK, and I suspect most of them would do more, with their drive, for the economy than the rubbish we seem to be breeding.

Apologies that this is not about the corona-bollocks but that’s all bollocks and not reality!

Question for the lefties who’re always saying what a terrible country Britain is and how everywhere in continental Europe is so much better. If that’s the case, why are these people in boats so desperate to get here? (Special note to lefty lockdown sceptics, you’re OK!)

Because they have heard they will be given money to live on, they will be given somewhere to live, they will have free health care, they will have free education for their children.
The reality is somewhat different but that’s what they believe.

Yes, the free education will be shite and the free health care – well that’s shut till further notice….

You seriously believe that if one of them claims to feel ill in his 4 star hotelhe’ll get the same level of service as the rest of us?

You seriously believe that if one of them claims to feel ill in his 4 star hote lhe’ll get the same level of service as the rest of us?

From what I understand, they will be sending everyone back who has arrived since Jan this year and the Royal Airforce are effectively tracking and tracing to justify the sending back to the ‘safe haven’ i.e. France. We will be seeing a lot more in the news about this I think

I presume your source is Mason Mills? What about all those who arrived before that but who have no real asylum claim or right to be here?

More theatre. Designed so that lefty idiots will say “oh my goodness, see what shocking right-wingers this nasty government is made up of”. and then any conservative idiots still supporting the “Conservative” Party will say “oh I suppose they must be a bit conservative and patriotic after all, then”.

Dog whistle performance, following which real policy will probably remain as you say: the Royal Navy pretending economic migrants are “refugees”, and keep up with the flood of immigration that has been pretty much continuous since Blair opened the floodgates – language that the left hates, because it accurately describes what happened. The cold, hard facts:

Before Blair and 1997, the highest year’s immigration was around 330k, and most years it hovered around that level (a rise on pre-1990s when it was generally around 200k). During the early Blair regime 1997-2002 it was intentionally allowed to rise to over half a million, and there has never been a year since then in which it dropped below that number. In 2019 it was 677,000. This continued rise has been under “Conservative” (actually Blairite) governments.

And anyone who tells you “Britain is a nation of immigrants” is either a liar or has fallen for BBC and elite lying propaganda every bit as systematically mendacious as the coronapanic scaremongering. The reality is that this level of immigration is completely unprecedented for at least a thousand years. It’s a gamble with the future of the nation. So much for the “precautionary principle”.

Net Migration Statistics
The History of Immigration to the UK
It’s not “racist” to oppose gambling with the future and very existence of your nation like this. It’s basic common sense. And politically, the Blairites might have been evil but they weren’t lacking in political cunning when they promoted mass immigration specifically as a weapon against conservatives. So why have subsequent “Conservative” party governments continued their policy? The answer should be pretty clear.

I see that mask wearers don’t have a monopoly on second-hand-me-down bollocks

Sophisticated reasoning skills there, Rick.

Our judges won’t send them back to France. The only way is the Australian method: an overseas processing centre where you take your time – years – over processing the illegal migrants’ fraudulent claims. St.Helena or somewhere else suitably distant would do.

Aye, and then we can process the legal migrants quicker maybe? Offer better, quicker asylum to refugees? I’d rather that than the folk who begin their lives here with a criminal act.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lD95OLBx_Rc

Politico (UK) : Simon Dolan’s lockdown challenge gets a boost from the judge

Hmmm, not sure I have much faith in that judge (Hickinbottom) – he threw out Robin Tilbrook’s Brexit case and would not let him even argue it in court. Like all judges appointed since the Blair years he is fully signed up to ‘diversity’ and the EU. If he is allowing this case, it may well only be asa means to stop the Johnson government and thereby stop Brexit happening..
I’d be interested to hear what Francis Hoar thinks regarding the choice of judge to hear this appeal..

Great comment under the video:
“My stepson in Australia wears a mask and ridicules those who don’t. He goes out with a silly piece of cloth on his face, in the folorn [sic] hope that it’ll protect him from something that has a fraction of a percentage point chance of killing him. ….And takes it off at breaktime, so he can enjoy a cigarette that has a 33% chance of killing him. Dumb, or what?”

Proof of Government involvement trying to alter our mindset.

Compare and contrast two Daily Mail stories, both published around the same time.

One has obviously been infiltrated, the other has not. Just click top comments.

News story 1:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8611849/Moment-megaphone-wielding-anti-mask-activists-storm-Morrisons-shouting-resist-new-world-order.html

News story 2:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8612007/UK-announces-coronavirus-deaths.html

Some resistance, at last.

Didn’t go to the mail’s page, takes forever to scroll through.

The Mail’s website is so loaded down with ads and clickbait links that actually finding the article text can be a struggle! I have Adblock Plus on my browser (Firefox) but the Mail won’t let me access their site without turning it off.

Also, the comments about care homes on story 2 (death announcements) sounds like the poster is stuck in a mid-March time warp! Given that the poster’s name is “ChampagneSocialist – GeorgeSorosPaidMe” they may just be trolling.

Try Brave (brave.com) if you want an ad-free visit to the Daily Fail. It also offers better tracking, etc. protection than FF and by sidestepping all the crud it’s pretty fast.

Is this the future? What has become of this nation?:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-53721267

the BBC is not the future

I cancelled my TV License this month. Braced for a visit from the enforcers, but the only way to fight back is to kick them where it hurts (in their revenue). Didn’t watch it much anyway, so no great loss.

Good advice & campaign going here:
https://www.defundbbc.uk/

Too late now but I REALLY regret renewing my license this year. With hindsight I’d rather have given the money to the above campaign!

You can cancel it anytime and get a refund on what you have outstanding can’t you?

In theory, yes. In practice, good luck with that. I pay by DD monthly so just cancelled the DD (per their instructions) and asked them to cancel my license (also per their instructions). They wrote back to say I should reinstate the DD then they’ll process my request (to cancel the license…). Got to ignore that for now and see what happens next.

Also in theory, you can go to this site and declare that you don’t need a licence (because you don’t watch live TV or use iPlayer). But that just tells me I haven’t cancelled my license, so go back to Step 1.

If they come knocking make sure to tell them you are self isolating, they’ll have to leave then.

Excellent tip. Could also use that for cold-callers too!!

Anybody remember a long-running series called Tomorrow’s World?
All its predictions turned out to be hilariously wrong.

And if the snitch had said nothing … precisely nothing would have happened.

What power this crap gives to morons like the one who got tested and then dobbed-in the pubs! He must feel so important now

A lot more medical workers must break the silence so that the lie of ‘positive’ tests v actual hospital admissions can be exposed. Any political opposition would also be nice but I’m not holding my breath. So it’s up to us. Non-compliance is the only hope as Chicot says, below.

Mr Brotherton said he found out about the man’s diagnosis “from another customer who knew him”.

What bollocks, a complete wind up and more brainwashing.

I agree, ‘sounds like a BBC special.

I suppose that will be the next thing, rival business owners ringing up pubs and restaurants saying my mate has tested positive and he was in your pub last night.

It’s going to be a long winter.

Yes, it’s a kind of ‘New Abnormal’ version of putting bad reviews of rival establishments on TripAdvisor!

You keep on saying that Steven but it might be fun

I hope so Bella

Have to admit found the dating profiles quite funny but surely it is dating in the “new normal” that is ripe for mockery:-

“Hi I’m Karen. Looking for a guy with normal temperature and up to date vaccine history, no over 50’s. Must like brief trips to the shops and Netflix. Looking for no physical contact but please be aware I may take longer to answer the phone than usual because of the one-way system in my house. I’m currently home-working making designer hand-sanitiser dispensers. Do you want to join me in my bubble? Swedes need not apply.”

Something like that anyway.

Brilliant, I think they should leave the dating forum to all comers, we can give as good as we get!

“Hi I’m Tamsin. I’m a party-loving politics student who adores drinking, dancing and attending mostly peaceful demonstrations. Looking for a guy who hates capitalism, is environmentally aware and likes skiing. He also needs to love his (and other peoples) grannies. Not too sure about this covid thingy as I don’t really do detail but I guess we can’t take any chances so no mask, no entry if you know what I mean

Je suis Charlie
“

well I don’t mind capitalism but I’ll say anything for a jump

No mask, no entry!! Crying with laughter.

Not sure it would be too comfortable worn there .

I think AIDS pre-empred that

For either party!

I’ve finished my open letter to Boris Johnson et al.

Link is here if I’ve done it correctly (if you cannot open it let me know):

https://1drv.ms/w/s!Agv7JEO8MngCiSo3uMxwDHuQy3fe?e=lA8myS

I know before anyone says:

• it’s too long
• it won’t get past level 1 or 2 of the minions, spads or whatever the common purpose lot are called that run interference to authority are called
• it doesn’t flow very well
• I’m pissing in the wind
• I’ve wasted my time

BUT:

it may mean I can sleep better at night as I’ve said most of what I wanted to say without putting it on a big stick and beating Boris and others around the head with it until they are bloody pulp which is what I really want to do.

I’ve realised that million people peaceful marches don’t work – Countryside Alliance, Anti Gulf War, Berlin a few day ago.

Money and taking power away from them and a million people rioting does get their notice but I’m not ready for open violence yet this is the best I can do at the moment.

Feel free to plagiarise whatever bits you like and use them to your best advantage.

Peaceful marches don’t work but non-compliance on a mass scale probably would. Things like mask-wearing and social distancing require the compliance of the population as policing these things is more or less impossible.

Been out and about yesterday and today and noticed more people on trains in London not bothering with face nappies (of half-arsing it). Must be fewer people willing to believe the Government has their best interests at heart when they tell them they must cover their face in 35C heat.

I’ve just read your letter – I think it’s fantastic! I’m sorry your wife is struggling

Good to know the link works, not into all this remote save to server stuff.

I hope your letter is published on a newspaper and allowed to be read for free.
I’m so sorry to hear about your wife and your business.

I’m ready for open rebellion. Trouble is I’m still battle scarred from Vietnam and thus a little old

The link did work for me and great letter.

Thrown out of my first shop today. In fact it was an English Heritage gift shop at the exit of a tourist attraction. The man behind the till shouted across the shop to ask if I had a face covering. I said no. He said “Well please leave the shop, then”. My daughter was mortified. Being in the passive half of the “four quadrants of conformism”, I obliged him and left. But my family membership will now definitely be allowed to lapse, and we won’t be re-joining, ever.

I have a feeling we still have an English Heritage membership. I’ll check and if so it’s tearing up the card and stopping the DD time, along with a letter to them explaining why.

Do you mind saying which venue it was?

the sort of people who work their way into English Heritage type jobs are probably the worst type of peeps for English Heritage (heritage is probably too diverse to be pigeon holed as English)

He perhaps thought he was doing”his bit” – putting you to rights. Saving the nation. And just having a satisfying frisson of power in his otherwise hum-drum day.

Only way to teach the lesson really. Vote with feet and wallet.

Very sorry to hear that as I volunteer for them. I would suggest that you write a letter of complaint – not to the general manager of the property but to head office.

And yes, boycott and say why too.

Surely we are missing a trick in not having Mask Credits. If you shop only once a week and for less than an hour you can use your credit to shop mask free. All those people out much more are endangering more people.

“I saved your life by staying at home” (as someone commented earlier)

It’s bollocks of course, but under Covidlogic makes sense

Dr Gideon Micro Penis on the money again:

https://youtu.be/dhzRsyk1Sa4

We need people like this to protect us from ourselves.

I had a small mask triumph today – due to see dentist tomorrow for usual 6 month check up. Went through the utterly ridiculous questions about Covid, including the one that says ‘are your lips blue?’ Wait let me check in the mirror… anyway, usual ramble about don’t bring any bags (wtf is it with bags?), and you must wear a mask. ‘And what is your policy for those who are exempt from wearing a mask?’ Long pause. ‘Just tell us when you get here and it’ll be fine’, said very quietly, obviously out of earshot of anyone sitting in the waiting room. No dental masking up for me, hooray.

Went to the dentist last week. Only difference was that there was no receptionist so you had to ring the bell to get in. It is a private dentist doing full service including the things that others are bed-wetting about (such as drilling). No mask required at any point, no coronovirus forms to fill in, and as a bonus the dentist was a skeptic. He had an additional Darth Vader respirator mask that he used during specific parts of the work.

We’re going for our check up tomorrow. Dentist rang today. Just to remind us that we had the appointment. No questions whatsoever about covid!
She is a NHS dentist.

I love my dentist. But I know he has been wetting the bed.

There’s no way I’m going anywhere near there for a routine check-up (and paying for it!) if he’s gonna make me feel like a biohazard. No. Emergency treatment only.

I would’ve just asked if the dentist was expecting me to have my mask on while my teeth were being checked?

The Leeds half has the same liberties most of the country enjoys

Which isn’t saying much…

I wonder how many of the mask wearers who say they are wearing them to protect others and vilify others for not wearing them have ever done any or all of the following :

Used their phone whilst driving
Driven whilst over the alcohol limit
Broken the speed limit

Virtue signalling hypocrites.

…or gone to work when sick. I.e. virtually everyone.

Or not gone to work when not sick?

Bet none of them give blood. Or are on the organ donOr register. Or do anything which actually inconveniences them to benefit others.

Loving Peter Hitchens calling these twats out on his twitter.

Yes indeed! Hitchens, Sherelle Jacobs (Telegraph) and Toby lead the ranks of sceptic heroes.

Nope. Spot on. They majority of mask wearers couldn’t give a toss about anybody else. It should be mandatory that they have to give blood if they wear a mask in public. That would stop the mask wearing.

Dropped their filthy mask on the pavement for a toddler to pick up or a pigeon to choke on….

Driving period. 40,000 premature deaths each year from air pollution

Very iffy science

I’d say it was a lot less iffy than the reports about Covid and particularity the efficacy of Face Masks, which was the point of this thread.

https://www.nhs.uk/news/heart-and-lungs/air-pollution-kills-40000-a-year-in-the-uk-says-report/

A fun comment from the BBC story on 6000 contact tracers being let go:

So many idiots in the UK.

‘I’m not letting the government track my contacts, I’m not taking a vaccine, I’m not wearing a mask.

OK, it’s a free country, just die then and do everyone else a favour.

His first line is certainly correct

Thats a wonderfully pathetic comment you have plucked out there! I’m proud to say I have never seen a BBC comments thread – never. But this person (bbcborg) is clearly on a sticky wicket being about 14 and found to have no previoysly programmed words of argument to regurgitate. I dare say a good old fashion reset of their moral compass (operating system) is required.

Help requested….

My local Director of Public Health is courting questions from the public for a FAQ Friday. He will answer a selection of them on YouTube.

Now, I think he has been excellent thought this nonsense. When other local authorities have succumbed to the hysteria, volunteering themselves for extra measures, our chap has been calmness personified. On at least a couple of occasions he has quelled small ripples of local mass hysteria which could quite easily have got out of hand. I suspect he is probably a closet sceptic.

However, I’d like to ask him a question. Preferably a loaded one that he is able to answer but isn’t too obvious. Any suggestions?

What’s the exit strategy, with timescales?

What’s the current level of ICU occupancy and how does this compare with average?

What’s the backlog (measured in months or years) of treatments that has built up over this period? What’s the plan for getting through it?

Are non-covid health issues now being address at a normal or better-than normal rate, and if not why not?

What’s the herd immunity threshold and how close are we to it, here?

Why aren’t we doing what Sweden is doing, given that they’ve done better than us with much less collateral damage?

Would you ever support compulsory vaccinations for covid?

Where’s the RCT evidence that masks work?

What is the justification for local lockdowns if all the “cases” are not of ill people and there’s no sign of any increase in hospital admissions anywhere?

Since 1993-94, we have had 7 infection seasons of worse mortality. In 70-year-old’s lifetime, the number is probably above 2 dozen.

In this context, what is the justification for mass panic and unprecedented curtailment of basic civil liberties?

Thanks guys. More subtlety required however

Gosh, that’s tricky.

Something about a second wave?

Is it safe to go back to school?

Was thinking along the lines of; ‘How has Preston ended up with extra measures with only X cases’?

Or (playing dumb)

‘The focus now appears to be on cases. What defines a case’?

In Leicester & now Aberdeen there were no hospitalisations associated with the latest scare about a hike in cases, there was however a hike in testing. Is there a threat to public health in a situation where no one’s health is threatened?

This shows the contempt with which Boris Johnson holds the British people:

https://youtu.be/zThMj6xmWY0

He is a disgrace, unworthy of the office of prime minister.

He looks fucked, 1st time I’ve taken any notice

This was footage from the day where TT and then myself spotted his weird twisting walk. This sky clip happens to have a nurse in front of him on the side where his movements were a struggle. Hidden from our view.

Boris and his hapless team of ministers who could not run a ‘whelk stool’ are the reason we are in this mess. Their ineptness has created a vacuum and into this all sorts of irrational one sided opinions have come in and lead us into this madhouse.
Boris is reputedly a fan of Churchill but Churchill was not just an orator, he could do project management, he directed teams to deliver, he looked people in the eye and never backed down (Johnny Cash quote), Boris does not even come close and since his illness has been a complete washout.

he says what he’s been told to say or he thinks he should say – he may be ‘intellectual’ but (like most intellectuals) he’s still thick as pig shit in real terms – void of common sense….

Dr Ellie Canon what an absolute horror she is. Pleady little expression telling me there’s no reason to be concerned. Never said this on the board before. But Fuck Off Ellie Canon you are a disgrace to your oath.

The problem I see with Boris is that I don’t think he believes in or stands for anything except perhaps his own advancement. That makes him unpredictable and downright dangerous. I’m certain if being on the remain side in Brexit had offered him the opportunity of becoming PM that’s where he would have been

Me too. And this is why I didn’t vote for him
Also the glaring difference between him and his hero. Wonder what it feels to idolise a man of principle knowing you have none

My respect for Boris Johnson began to wane when I read about his visit to Turkey in 2016 just several months after President Erdogan threw lawyers, teachers, journalists, military personnel and other unmutuals in prison. I’d like to ask PM Johnson what he thinks about the situation in Turkey four years later. Screw him. He’s a wimp.

Of course. But he patently was before the f.ing election – that’s what pisses me off. The nation slit its own wrists.

You keep saying that but not many buyers. Most can see as plain as anything that a Corbyn or any other plausible government would have been at least as stupid about the coronapanic as Johnson. Probably more so, and with much more enthusiasm, judging from the zealotry the Labour Party and its related organs (Guardian, trade unions, academics) have been putting out.

That’s no defence of Johnson’s failure or mitigation of his leadership responsibility. Just refuting the (silly) idea that it was somehow all his idea.

To put it another way, Johnson “Conservative” voters are no stupider than you were in (presumably) voting for Corbyn’s Labour Party who would have done the same or probably worse.

That was the problem. de Piffle made it perfectly clear throughout the election campaign that he’s a lying buffoon.

Unfortunately, the Labour campaign was pathetic and Corbyn was an unelectable candidate and fair game for the media.

The election was really about Brexit and so was a one-horse race.

Get Brexit Done!
(All Bollox)

That is true that it was basically a one issue election about securing the result of the referendum. Indeed if Corbyn had swung Labour convincingly behind Brexit then we’d probably be slagging off Corbyn for locking us down right now. (I’m assuming the Blairite scum couldn’t have done any more damage to Labour than they did anyway.)

Decided to update my Twitter page. No longer anonymous. Put a smiley photo on there. Why not eh?

https://twitter.com/wewillbefree82

Nice photo!

Great stuff!

Love the grief Richard Flame is getting. He has nothing to counter with. Keep up the great work RDawg.

I just keep throwing evidence back at them until they inevitably go silent. It’s too easy. But also tiring!

Lovely smile!

Hello , just joined lockdown sceptics. Where the hell is the dating bit ?

At the top?

Hello all. On holiday in Cornwall in a very large holiday resort. Been here since last week and it was fine the first week. People wearing masks in the shop, I haven’t and neither have my kids although some parents chose to put their young kids in one.
However from Saturday we had to wear one in the bar even though we’d been sat in there for two hours and had three pints later with no one said anything to us yet the manager was out on his travels and went chasing after my husband saying he got to wear a mask! Haven’t bothered with a drink since and won’t be doing. Today and this is the best part, we now have to wear them in the shower block!! It’s really spoiling our holiday. The only place we’re safe is in our tent.

Ask for a rebate.

Think my husband is going to complain tomorrow.

Why go even further than the Govt has mandated (so far)? They don’t deserve custom.

No they don’t but we’re stuck here until the weekend when we go to Devon for a week. I can’t north to go south again.

I understand how you’re fixed and I’m really sorry to hear these morons have compromised your holiday.

I’d checkout and request a full refund

Sorry to hear that, I think the only way out of this is if we start pushing back telling people to grow up and just think about what they are saying and employ some critical thinking.

I’ve come to the conclusion that people cannot employ any critical thinking.
I think the reason why they’ve introduced such measures is because they’ve filled the site and worried that they’ll have a case! Think I’ve got more of a chance of a seagull pinching my food than contracting Coronavirus!!

Your risk assessment is right.

But censure where censure is due: brainwashing is tremendously powerful, and its the perpetrators that need to be blamed, rather than the victims.

Remember – in the 1930s, a whole nation went along with the propaganda that Jews were a dangerous virus. A lot didn’t start off as evil people – they consented to evil.

And so weren’t culpable?

I didn’t say that. But certainly less culpable than those who put an ‘X’ against ‘Conservative’.

So complicity in the Holocaust is better than having voted conservative in 2019?

In order to make a case for that you’d first have to convince someone that a hypothetical alternative Corbyn or other government would have been significantly better than this one on the coronapanic. So far, I think most people have heard what the Labour Party, trade unions, Guardian etc have been saying and judged that if anything an alternative government would have been no better, and probably worse.

If the decision to vote “Conservative” made no difference to the occurrence of the coronapanic lockdown etc, then those doing so can’t be held to blame for it.

Obviously, there’s a real sense in which anyone who supports it now, or when it was implemented, is responsible, but that’s completely different from your attempt to make it a party political issue.

I’m afraid as someone once of the ‘left’ I completely agree with this

Or those who put an ‘X’ beside “Labour” in 2001, before the Iraq War?

Actually you have more chance of a seagull dropping a jam sandwich on your head

No chance. Sandwich seized is sandwich scoffed.
Nice to see our local gulls back on their normal diet of battered fush, chips, pasties and ice cream cones.

A seagull once dropped a jam sandwich on my conservatory roof. Hence my reference. Maybe it spied a pastie in the distance and had to make a considered decision – bit like locking down vs herd immunity (to stay on topic)

Who wouldn’t prefer a pasty to a jam sandwich?

All this fuss about “cases” in Aberdeen with lockdowns and Aberdeen FC footballers being publicly “shamed” by Nickla for having the audacity to visit a pub (a couple of them have apologised to the Nation!). Now it slips out today that there has not been a single hospital admission resulting from the Aberdeen “outbreak”. Slipped into BBC Reporting Scotland this evening as a one-line afterthought (after lots of fear reporting about extreme measures being taken to ensure the “safety” when the schools open on Wednesday). What a load of pish (as we say in Glesca).

Pish indeed, explains why I keep seeing ambulances zooming past my house with sirens blaring. Gotta keep the illusion going.

I’d still like to know how many of the Aberdeen people are showing symptoms.

That is information we will not be given.

Genuinely think this is happening. I said to a friend at the start of lockdown we will now see an increase in blue lights to cause wide spread feelings of seriousness. We did. Then the frequency trailed off. Then returned at the so called ending of lock down.

Why was I alert to this concept. Because I recall vividly the G8 summit in Glen Eagles – the bush falls off bike episode. The blue lights and sirens were used then to cause wide spread authoritarian noise. The police also used horses to kettle protestors on rose street to get the pictures needed for the news.

Sounds like conspiracy chetter. But it is what I have witnessed first hand.

I’m not particularly a snooker fan – but happen to be just watching the World Snooker Championship.

It strikes me forcibly that any government that isn’t doing everything in its power to change the awful living death of an audience-free experience like this – is the real sickness.

Multiply this over all such activities.

Evil (not a word I much use) stalks the land – and it isn’t a virus.

Evil indeed. Not a word I use much either, but I can’t see what else it is.

I was musing today on TV sport, as to how long it would take before they have a CGI crowd that fools most people, to go with the canned cheering. I have give up watching sport, for many reasons, the lack of spectators being one of them. I don’t want them to be able to pretend things are normal.

Ha me too, i had the same thought CGI crowds and sound effects

Ole gunnar can’t spell his name has declared the matches are missing an edge of passion without a crowd. I believe this was quite a thing for him to say give his postion within the sponsored world of football.

A lot, all, would agree with him. Imagine the danger of that! All fans of football agreeing with the words on one man.

Fake crowd noises on sports is pure psy-op. Don’t watch.

Turn the sound off!

If Nicola Sturgeon has her way we’ll only have silent movies and TV shows to watch. Silent radio? Press conferences. I wish she would silence herself.

I couldn’t watch it without the sound but have now got rid of sky sports due to all the kneeling

There’s nearly always an option to watch on a different channel with no fake noise; just the sound of the players, subs, etc. Currently watching on BT Sport Extra 1, with no-crowd-noise, Copenhagen hold the ‘mighty’ Man Ure after everyone expected it would be a cricket score. Hoping the Danes nick one.

Watched some hockey games years ago without the announcers play by play. Much better.

Worst part was they had fans in on the first day and even though it wasn’t many it was like seeing the first spring buds after a long cold winter. Then the very next day the rule changed and it was like a huge step backwards. Let’s face it it’s all been backwards steps lately. It’s the hope that kills you.

I remember when the first stage of lockdown was eased, and there was a photo of happy smiling people on the tube. They looked genuinely pleased to be getting back to normal. I was looking forward to being among them.

Before all the masks.

Weren’t those mid-May crowded tubes supposed to cause the second wave?

Yes indeed.Like the devils in That Hideous Strength , they breathe death on the human race and all joy.
Utterly evil.

Absolutely agree. They should already have crowds back in every sport.
Sport without crowds is tedious and unwatchable. Most sports won’t survive if this carries on much longer.
The sad thing is I can’t see any way of them being allowed to return anytime soon and it’s all for no reason at all. It’s so infuriating.

Elite sport with big tv audiences might survive for a while but very little below that, and eventually they will run out of elite athletes because the grass roots clubs will fold

How can the next generation of Premier League footballer be formed if they can’t play matches

I normally enjoy the snooker, about the only sport I have any interest in. But the current championship is definitely lacking. Some of the frames have turned out to be incredibly boring, nearly an hour of ‘tactical play’ with nobody seeming to be potting anything and the commenters all the time saying ‘great shot’, showing it again several times. Fake crowd cheering is awful and far too repetitive. All the time no smiling faces in the audience to keep your attention, no player’s families in the upper galleries, and even the BBC2/4 commentators not actually in the crucible but watching it on a screen in some studio or other. The odd match, like the super fast O’Sullivan ones, grab my attention but otherwise it is all plain boring.

I wonder how much the have lost refunding all the tickets that became worthless at a stroke from No 10.

Went to our local Beefeater at tea-time today because they have 50% of all food and non-alcoholic drinks. It was more relaxing than we expected. Most staff weren’t wearing masks and were friendly. There was some health theatre with plastic screens between tables and a largely ignored one-way system. It was good to go out for a meal and not be made to feel like a plague spreading nuisance.

Sweden’s Success is Kryptonite for Lockdown and Mask Advocates: https://jordanschachtel.substack.com/p/swedens-success-is-kryptonite-for?r=6a3x3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=twitter

I well remember UK MSM reporters going to Sweden and licking their lips at the prospect of a mass plague, which they were convinced would happen, as Ferguson’s model predicted. It never did happen. The reporters melted away. Now we can see that Sweden has weathered the storm well without destroying their economy, their children’s education or their health service.

I was so pleased when I first heard of Sweden’s no-lockdown approach. I wasn’t a sceptic yet but still thought “thank goodness for some possible counter-evidence.”

Same with in America with Dakota. After a few factory-linked outbreaks in late April much of their MSM was similarly claiming it was “the next New York”. When that didn’t happen that was all quickly memory-holed.

We’ve had a couple of “Did Sweden get it right after all” articles in reasonably mainstream outlets, but no-one seems to connect it to us, now – it’s as if it’s all in the past. NO – Sweden got it right and continues to do so, and we continue to get it wrong. If anything we are more buried in the coronapanic than we were at the start.

If you put a minimum price on freedom, Sweden always had and still has it right.

Seems like a lot of people don’t value freedom much. Very sad.

I love the conniptions that wrack lockdown fanatics whenever Sweden is mentioned. It’s because of population density that Sweden has a lower death rate than we do, and look at how badly they’ve done compared to their neighbours. They’ve got one of the highest death rates in the world. Their prime minister has apologised for the care home deaths, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Wonderful. They hate Sweden. I love Sweden.

Their bizarre mental gymnastics is hilarious. They’ll make direct numerical comparisons between every country but Sweden, because “their culture is different”. But not different enough relative to the other Nordics. And on the economy (not that they have any clue about that) it’s fair game!

Nor their governnent’s finances.

More on the tattoo and injecting. People said this is banned talk on social media. Heres a little friendly illustration and an explanation how kids are in line for it. Makes you think just how pointless parents are seen to be by these monsters putting all this together.

https://www.sciencealert.com/an-invisible-quantum-dot-tattoo-is-being-suggested-to-id-vaccinated-kids

I believe that article puts me of donating to medical science – the poor bugger whose skin ended up being used to develop this stuff.

I saw an interesting letter from a vet who carried out post mortems of sample animals in slaughterhouses some years ago. He said the ink from the ID tattoos percolated through to the brain & mused as to how much ink from human tattoos percolated into human brains. I’ve no idea if he was right or wrong, I just pass it on for what it’s worth.

Yes the ink is constantly absorbed by the body

Love the fact that this place is attracting trolls now. Clearly some feel threatened by our obscure little band of agitators

If I do the scroll today will I see a troll? I haven’t been noticing any… unless you refer to me, in which case its just my upbringing I blame!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/10/toby-young-dating-site-wins-hearts-of-social-distancing-sceptics

Actually, you know (and I defer to no man in my contempt for the Guardian), that’s really not a bad write up by their standards, considering it’s reviewing a site run by a clear political enemy and pushing a cause they openly despise.

Ever likely I’m single! Don’t know I’m on a dating site when I’m on a dating site! Thank you for looking after me Tom.

2.5 million views. And its not just because we are all so good looking either.

and some strange little infestations from the guardian have been sentinel-ed to monitor the nasty outbreaks of reality think…..

We have had a few over the months but sadly none have stuck around.