2020-08-12

First?

You are victorious

Yay! *Skips around room*

First over the top, first to be shot…

Private Eye MD: The deterioration in the quality of MD columns in private eye continues apace today, with the supposed Dr suggesting anyone not wearing a face mask is an ‘uncaring dick’. Under ‘unmasking the evidence’ on p3, in a desperate pitch to defend the use of masks, they in sequence attempt to deflect from increasing case numbers by each of the following;

‘people aren’t wearing them properly’ – Well duh, this was incredibly predictable and one of the reasons they were never recommended for public use in history before, suddenly, last month.

‘those most likely to spread are too irresponsible to wear them’ – Doesn’t even deserve a response, pure hysterical crap

‘we’re testing more people, so finding more cases’ – One of their now regular omg-they’re-so-close-to-having-a-realisation moments

‘loosening lockdown which may -or may not- have been curtailed by masks’ – Also comical… given lockdown, as far as I’m aware, hasn’t been further loosened in any meaningful way, since masks were made mandatory…

For the first time in my life, I’ll be writing to the publication to complain about this irresponsible content, for an MD to suggest anyone maskless is an uncaring dick is so incredibly dangerous and inaccurate it deserves scorn.

They also, hilariously, finish with ‘MD wears a mask in crowded places on the precautionary principle (not sure if it works, worth a try, doesnt appear to do me any harm, dont want to appear an uncaring dick), but now would be a good time to do more trials or we may never know if the discarded masks in the ocean are worth it’

So, accepts there’s negative consequences of at least one kind (huge waste, ocean pollution) but distances their self from that by claiming it does them no harm – is ocean pollution in millions of masks in landfill not a problem for us all? Given they also dont know if they cause harm (at least one study and historical conclusions suggest they do) I dont see how they can suggest they’re acting on precautionary principle.

So angry about the state of their piece right now, shocking how bad it is.

“Don’t want to appear an uncaring dick”

So just a dick then?

Haha, quite!!!

An educated but unintelligent one?

Ah, the Cressida. A real whale of a Dick

Cressida. The ‘Moby’ of the dick world…

MD is written by Phil Hammond, ‘doctor and comedian’. That tells you something. We used to get Private Eye regularly and, being asthmatic, I was foolishly persuaded by his strong arguments to get a flu jab in 2018. I was unwell for 3 days afterwards and 2019 was my worst year for health ever. 3 major respiratory infections leaving me with a permanent cough. Coincidence? Who knows?

I was watching James Corbett the other night and he talks about how one of the ways demand for vaccines is created is to artificially cause shortages. In autumn 2018 I had to wait weeks for my jab as my GP surgery almost never had it in and in the end I got it from the local chemist. At least interesting!

Private Eye is managed dissent on behalf of the British Establishment and it relies on the Old Boy Network for its information, and editorial line, particularly on foreign policy. Ask Toby Young, he’ll know more! They are good on local government corruption and they’ve occasionally supported NHS whistle-blowers, I wonder if they’ve published any blowing the gaff on the Scamdemic? I somehow doubt it.

We sacked it early this year after we realised we were basically reading the same stuff every fortnight and the jokes were wearing thin.

The shortage thing is interesting.

Notice how suddenly a load of high street chemists and even shops were offering flu jabs?
Create a shortage in the NHS, demand goes up, offer jabs you have to pay for elsewhere……

Nice work if you can get it. Someone is making so much money from this and it isn’t the taxpayer.

Yes, that’s exactly how it was, although I’m so ancient, mine was free.

I bet Corbett’s right: this is another way they’ll having everyone clamouring for the vaccine.

BTW, we were sitting outside last night and a near neighbour and her new lodger walked past. Such are the times we haven’t had a chat for weeks but she and the lodger are full-on LSs. Disappointingly, she wears a mask to shop so we’ll work on her.

However, despite the fact that she’s in alternative medicine, she’s really fed up that her two grown-up sons say they want the vaccine when it’s available.

Surely what the lads mean is that they want their freedom, their sport, their gigs, their social life….?

Yes, of course they do! They honestly think that they will get them back and it’s heartbreaking.

Oh, just thought – and yet another way families are being divided against each other,

The old normal is never coming back and the new normal won’t last too long either. Ask Bill Gates about that. It’s all about depopulation and for the good of the planet, surely you understand, don’t you?

Tell Bill to buy a planet and get lost.

Yeah, he can have Mercury.

The hot side should suit him nicely.

Yes it would but a slow death is more appropriate for him.

Let’s hope that he gets Mercury poisoning and no vaccine in sight.

Ah but Gates knows what the vaccines he pays to develop really contain, so I’m damn sure he wouldn’t dream of having one!

He didn’t have his own children vaccinated, nice one Bill.

Well the Mercury’s rising across this planet….

None of that is likely to be part of the new normal.

Corbett will be right, unfortunately for all of us.

MOH was offered a free flu jab last autumn because of age and underlying health issues. He declined. He also didn’t get the flu or anything similar.
I also didn’t get a flu jab, did get a very short-lived regular common cold, followed by that weird virus that left the long-lasting cough. No idea if it was The Covid or not.
We won’t be having a flu jab this year either. Or the CV19 vaccine.

For those considering flu jab, worth reading study of USA veterans indicating flu jab interference increased susceptibility to coronaviruses in over 30% of veterans:
https://forums.lockdownsceptics.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=15

I have had the flu vaccination for nearly 30 years now because of repeated sinus infections and not having to rely on unnecessary antibiotics and have not had any problems since. We were also unknowingly in contact with people who some days later got Covid. No one else in our group did. Guess it is all down to each individual’s genetic make up,

You ought really to be dead, best keep yourself locked down indefinitely. Not at all sure, that the flu shot is supposed to work for sinus infections, but perhaps it’s the placebo effect.

Each to his own, my GP touts the flu vaccine to me each year, previously because remnant asthma, latterly dotage.
I have never taken it, never had flu (despite many poor lifestyle choices) and will not be taking vaccine for the Covid.
Cheers Bill.

May be wrong but I think they are on an incentive scheme: they get a payment for every patient vaccinated

They do. Our neighbour works in a nearby health centre and mentioned the practice gets a bung from the drug company if there is a 70% (I think she said) take up of flu jabs in eligible categories. As soon as she said that, I made up my mind not to have one this year. And will definitely not be having Bill’s jab.

Getting the flu shot seems to be a good way of hastening death. I’m fairly sure that those who have supposedly died of Covid-19 will virtually all have had the flu vaccination.

Perhaps even more sinister, is that in recent times many of the elderly and perhaps some other vulnerable persons, were given the so called super flu shots, said to be four times stronger than normal.

I’m in my mid seventies and haven’t knowingly had flu since the infamous Asian flu pandemic of 1957. I have never had a flu shot, despite continued pestering from my GP, or any other vaccination since 1965.

You are not suggesting that they screwed up the 2019 flu vaccine so they keeled over a few months later are you ?

You can suggest what you like, who am I to disagree.

‘Phil Hammond, doctor (!), comedian (!), brain-dead, fully paid up member of the smug, sneerocracy made up of those other smug bastards such as Hislop et al. BTW Hammond, nobody gives a shit what you think about people who don’t wear masks or anything else for that matter.

Hislop occupies a place well inside the cosy intestines of the BBC. Nuff sed.

He got to his cosy intestinal BBC nook via the most direct route – up Auntie’s well used nether passage. Face first, which is why his ugly mug has such a ‘pushed in’ look.

I actually sacked it off a few years back because, like you, I found I was reading just the same stories of repeated corruption across politics and big business (and local gov) that it actually just became depressing and futile to continue reading.

I only re-subscribed at the start of lockdown, under the expectation that I’d see some investigative work into what the actual fuck is going on, some pragmatic opinions and holding those in power to account for stripping us of freedoms and liberties. I’ve been nothing other than disappointed on all counts, as the magazine has ignored it for the most part (except for the occasional realisation that a few friendly companies are pocketing big money) other than pushing the MD column to the front for the time being – the content of which has been mostly shameful apart from the odd ‘a-ha’ moment MD appears to have, following by more hysteria and unfounded statements of terror.

Toby seems to think this global fascist coup under the guise of a fake virus is the result of bumbling Boris’s incompetence

Agree. I could understand his view if it was just Johnson, but it’s more or less everywhere! (NZ lockdown because of 4 new CASES!!!!) Why is it only us that sees this con job for what it is?

Somewhat worrying, That was my position up to about the end of March, but then reality kicked in.

I stopped it four years ago when it was still publishing anti-Brexit stuff 6 months after the referendum.

Private Eye is such a nasty little rag; entirely in the thrall of Westminster and the Old Boys.
And Hislop adores the Beeb. He’s all over it.
At my provincial Grammar, he is what we would have called ‘a squit’.

And Phil Hammond is neither a doctor nor a comic as he has no talent for either.

Give up the grotty old rag and spend your money on subscriptions to alternative publications – online or hard copy – and support the new breed of writers, comics & sceptics. They need our advocacy & our pennies.

Well said!

In June, I bought the Eye for the first time in twenty years or so. £2 wasted.

And you think this website isn’t managed dissent? Toby yet once again pulls his punches today sticking to the cock-up line when Boris’ real agenda is clear as daylight for anyone without blinkers on to see.

You’re going to need to be clear about what you mean by “managed dissent” if you are going to sling that charge around here. Otherwise it looks as though all you are doing is using it as a smear term for opinions you disagree with.

I can kind of see your point, in that from your pov (presumably) arguing for cockup if there is a conspiracy would be a way to defuse suspicion of the true rulers. But to be a reasonable charge I think there’d have to be more to it than just expressing an opinion that you disagree with. As far as I have seen, there’s no censorship here and Toby, while clear about his own view, is not afraid of giving reasonable space to the alternative opinion even above the line. And while he clearly doesn’t agree with the more extreme conspiracy theorist, he also does not spend undue time bashing or abusing them.

Bashing Piers Corbyn is extremely unhelpful, and it sounds as if Toby is nudging us towards acceptance of both vaccination and 5G. I hope it’s a one-off.

So he disagrees with Piers Corbyn’s wider views. He’s far from alone here in that, though most of us respect Corbyn for standing up (and I seem to recall Toby saying that as well).

Is anyone who falls between supporting the coronapanic and supporting the more extreme “conspiracy” and anti-vaxx positions to be dismissed as “managed dissent”? I mean, fair enough if that’s how you see it, but I doubt it will prove very persuasive, at least until and unless Toby starts consistently bashing those positions, censoring comments pushing them, and banning their exponents btl.

Why are you arguing about things I didn’t say?

I drew what I think were reasonable inferences from your comment given its context, going back to the comment mine was a reply to. If those inferences were incorrect, then that’s fine, all you have to do is correct them.(Fwiw, btw, I didn’t down-vote your comment. That was already there when I saw it.)

But the so-called conspiracy theories are based on actual documents and evidence – Event 201, Rockerfeller Lockstep document, Bill Gates saying we can only go back to normal if we have a vaccine linked to a digital immunity passport, ID2020 etc.
I also belive most people are not antvax, but anti unsafe vax. You only need to look into cases of the swine flu vax. The vaccine manufacturers are indemnified, so people are understandably concerned about a coronavirus vaccine that’s been rusheed so quick and there has been no long term studies!

“ Bashing Piers Corbyn is extremely unhelpful” Well, I know very little about Corbyn, but what I would say is that the image he presents and some of his other views possibly make him a less than ideal candidate for the figurehead/public face of an opposition movement, if we want to persuade neutrals. Someone like Lord Sumption for example is way more suitable, or even Carl Heneghan, or Karol Sikora – they come with much less baggage. Even people like Hitchens or Dolan, who are more “mainstream” than Corbyn, arguable, are going to attract knee-jerk reactions (Hitchens for being supposedly “right wing” and Dolan for being rich and living in Monaco). I took the comment about Corbyn to mean this, rather than as a slur on his character. He deserves a lot of respect for standing up to be counted and putting his energy into this. Perhaps Toby Young could have qualified the statement a little.

Let’s hope you are right – I’m very anxious about it. Not long ago there was a comment to the effect that ‘what are they doing arresting a 75 year old man’ , I’m moderately confident that was from Toby – and now changed to this. As I say, I am very worried. Piers Corbyn has been standing up against the ‘Climate Change’ lies for many years and should have earned everyone’s respect for that.

I imagine he’s actually bashing another Corbyn by proxy.

There is a line that can’t be crossed in order to maintain some ‘mainstream’ acceptance and convert more folks into seeing this all more clearly.
The C word doesn’t need to be mentioned. As everyone knows just the sight of it sends minds a closing shut and people fleeing away from just another fruit loopery site. Leave it be and keep the discussion focused on tearing down this almighty WHO-approved virus narrative.

Yes, I’ve always thought that too and have posted about it in the past. I have never been under any illusion that Toby Young’s offerings could be anything else. He grimly sticks to the cock-up theory against all the evidence to the contrary and he uses expressions like ‘cases’, ‘full lock-downs’ etc without irony or quotation marks. The site provides a safety valve for sceptics but he does provide links to some good information and the occasional excellent article and he or an associate does some good analysis on some of the dodgy figures about. I ignore the MSM dross links (e.g.analysis/politics-free DT or DM rants about the awful lock-down but which won’t touch the realpolik with a barge-pole.)

Meanwhile, with the ‘cock-ups’ of nearly every country to choose to avoid, what do Kim Ung Dan and she of the Bionic Teeth choose to do? Follow Sweden, of course. Oh hang on. . . . . And we’re expected to believe this is more ‘cock-up’ or ‘panic’ are we?

I find the most annoying things in Toby’s posts to be the ‘why oh whyery’: What is Boris thinking of’, ‘What fresh hell is this?’, etc. I think we all know by now what fresh hell it is – it’s the one we wake up to every morning, tense with worrying about what they’ll pull out of the bag next.

The charitable view would be that he can’t get beyond ‘cock-up’ or ‘panic’ because he still has strong personal relationships with Government figures and he may be indulging in wishful thinking. In other words, ‘Oh silly Toby, time to grow a pair!’ Ring any bells?

At the same time I’m glad LS exists as a forum because there’s bugger-all else, really. Many of the BTL comments are really useful and there are people on here doing genuine research. I’ve learned a lot. Also, more people are using it, which may be a positive sign. Many people are also challenging MPs and councils, for what it’s worth.

Anyway, apart from Off-Guardian and UK Column, slightly different platforms but who are also prepared to recognise the enormity of what is being done to the populations of so many countries, all in lock-step, LS is a life-line for me and many others, managed or not. Apart from non-compliance and spreading the word where possible, what else have we got?

There is not ‘bugger-all else’. The best forum around is https://going-postal.com/

Extremely frank language and views, extremely lockdown sceptic. If you can’t stand frank and fruity language and points of view, avoid it! I spend many happy hours a day between here and there.

Thanks, I had a quick look and I think I’ll enjoy reading it. Absolutely not in the slightest bothered by frank and fruity language and I don’t mind other points of view (or people disagreeing with me).

Beauty! Thanks John

Ta for that link.
From a comment there, is it time we started shaking hands again ?

Yes all that may be so, but “going-postal’ is light years from being just about Covid. The enormity of what is now going on means that Covid is the only show in town. Governments across the world do not crash their economies in “lockstep”, without some massive underlying agenda. We are in very deep trouble and Covid-19 is not the the problem.

Unless and until comments are censored based on Toby Young’s views I am not sure it matters a great deal what they are, beyond the fact (not unimportant) that he’s an ally with a platform and resources who is good to have on “our” side.

I wouldn’t disagree with that. It’s just that a site like this can’t really constitute any real opposition and I sense that some people wish it could, judging by the pleas for new political parties. It would be unfair to expect it to be otherwise. The lack of censorship is consistent with Toby Young’s campaign for Free Speech and to be applauded. I hope it is able to continue.

Depends what you mean by opposition. It facilitates an exhange of views and information which hopefully has a wider effect. People on here in their turn network with others and hopefully persuade some round to their point of view. That’s a form of contribution to opposition, as are Toby’s articles and other work, and those of his associates.

If we want opposition we’ll have to organise our own. KBF has a section in the forum where people are trying to get together in their local regions. Have a look there, join your local group and get organising some opposition!

Meanwhile, UKColumn is exhorting us to write to our MPs, what key questions to ask etc.
Worth a watch here: https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-12th-august-2020

The KBF forum also has som templates for general correspondence with your MPs but the UKC ones are the proably the most important right now.

Yes, I’ll have a look and we’d be up for joining local protests if there are any. People en masse are worse than sheep up here but we hear a lot of quiet dissent. People just won’t put their heads above the parapet, don’t want to ‘upset people’ etc.

We always watch UK Column and have written to our useless Tory-Boy MP several times. He was flown in to harvest the Leave votes and ousted an excellent – I know, I know! – Labour MP who was a grafter and actually had a bit of integrity, It’s anyone’s guess how she would have been on this stuff; sadly, she’d probably be signed up.

Anyway, T-B is a chocolate fireguard who loves to make meaningless grandstanding statements. After about 3 letters we got a Government cut-and-paste so-called reply from him. We now await his ‘response’ to our mask risk-assessment question.

UK Column did a great section on government risk assessment today.

Absolutely. UK Column is carrying the standard in what is now a life or death fight against impending Covid martial law. We are in deep trouble.

Yes UK Column is doing a good job of meeting the Covid fiasco head on. There is no old school network holding them back.

We actually need concerted opposition, or we are dead meat.

You only have to meet these people to know that they could never organise a conspiracy.

Whose dissent is being “managed”? Not mine. A wide range of opinions on display here. I am glad Toby Young has put this site together and glad he is voicing sceptical views on the platforms he has, and so I think are most of the rest of us glad. That doesn’t mean that we’re all TY fanboys or agree with all his positions on everything. As I have said before, I often don’t read what Toby writes, and just come here for the comments (sorry Toby).

Being fully aware of the ulterior motives and mechanisms at work would be useful, but unless you can make a case for how cock-up vs conspiracy is somehow diluting the message of what we collectively think the government needs to do now, I am not sure it’s crucially important at this stage. Our best hope IMO is to get the message out that the “pandemic” is really over.

Toby works for the MSM. We should be extremely grateful that he has the guts to provide us with an uncensored platform here to say what we really think and help each other decypher what’s really going on. Don’t be an ingrate!

Agree. Hope you don’t think it’s me being the ingrate….

No. Anyone the cap fits ….

Agreed.

Frankly, I don’t think I would come here at all if it were actively pushing the ‘conspiracy theory’ end of the argument. I absolutely see the appeal of the structure that the theories give and the logical sense that they can seem to make (one of the reasons I don’t buy into them – things don’t usually make logical sense), but I don’t and can’t believe them. I have no first hand ‘establishment’ relationships and no links to MSM, but I’m a true believer in the cock up theory.

Personally, I don’t think it’s remotely fair to accuse Toby Young of providing managed dissent, but regardless, a blog focused on theories and evidence of a globalist plot would interest me not the tiniest bit.

Too many cockups and too much incompetence. Too much influence of Bill Gates and his vaccine depopulation agenda. We are being played big time and the omens are not good.

“And you think this website isn’t managed dissent?”

Well that should have crossed quite a few of our minds. Still up to now the site is the best of its kind and the comments are not heavily censored. Toby may even get to grips with reality in time.

The same thing happened to me: I am listed as asthmatic, and so every year I am invited to have a flu jab. One year I decided to go ahead and have it. That year I had really bad flu which knocked me out for a week – the only flu I can remember having in thirty or so years.

I had a one and only flu jab in the late 1980s. Had my worst year ever after that for colds, flu and generally feeling unwell. Never had one since and don’t intend to start now. General health good as I also avoid seeing doctors.

Private Eye stopped being satirical when Hislop took over. Compare and contrast with Peter Cook! Hislop is establishment through and through.

They were good on the Post Office computer systems scandal. But a drop in the ocean.

I agree, MD used to be good but has been getting steadily worse. I’ve subscribed to Private Eye for many years but may not renew. To some extent they’ve become just another branch of the London-centric media. They do still have some good stuff like the Prince Charles spoofs, the From the Message Boards column, and the satirical Diary by Craig Brown. They were also good on the Post Office Horizon IT scandal.

Ah, the message boards: We probably liked Stokie Steve the best. Now, isn’t that where Awkward Git lives? Mind you to be fair, Stokie channels Biker more than AG or is it the other way round? Apologies to anyone reading this who doesn’t know what the **** we’re talking about!

Aha, Stokie Steve – come to Stoke and we’ll kick your fucking head in! And the guy who says things like Anyone looks at my girls I swear Ill do time. And Tim the househusband with his youngest daughter called Remain.

Family man – yes!

Private Eye has done some good digging – but it exists within the narrow framework of a public school rag-mag. It will never tackle fundamental issues that really buck the ‘Fleet Street’ narrative, even when taking the piss out of the Groan.

This became obvious during the time that the MSM was making up fake ‘antisemitism’ stories and piling into Corbyn. The Eye never once stepped outside the establishment narrative.

P.S. Re. their ‘investigations’ into supposed bureaucratic corruption : they aren’t necessarily all that they seem.

I happened to know the real background of one piece of tittle-tattle that cropped up in their ‘Rotten Boroughs’ column. Journalistically, it was a really poor piece of tittle-tattle from an interest group that had an axe to grind, and which any decent journalist would have binned before passing on the Chinese whispers.

They have wholly lost their investigative integrity. They lost it with the early death of Paul Foot.
Move on – new & genuinely anti-establishment writing & critics are readily available elsewhere.
The P.Eye has become the Establishment and has little more heft & sincerity than light-weight Commons Bar joshing.

Private Eye has been declining for years. Not nearly enough bite, and far too much whingeing from a leftist slant IMNSVHO

I guess Boris Johnson has turned out as expected: all vacuous bluster and no substance.

The big problem for all of us is that the millions of us who think the lockdown approach is a disaster are politically unrepresented. Labour thinks we should have lockdown sooner and harder.

We are political orphans.

I find it curious that NO ONE on any political spectrum understands that there is a huge electorate with NO representation up for grabs.

This is so true, a real vacuum
problems are, anyone who tries to fill that vacuum is immediately branded ‘far right’ and the FPTP electoral system makes it virtually impossible to challenge the political status quo. UKIP a classic example. Personally, I would love for there to be a credible alternative (Ie not Britain First or similar) to vote for, there must be millions just like me….dream team, Toby, Delingpole, Lol Fox, Kate Andrews, Farage, Hitchens, O’Neill, Trev Phillips…any other suggestions?

Don’t forget Lord Sumption, Simon Dolan and Dr James Lee as well

I’d also add Sherelle Jacobs and Ross Clark from the Telegraph. Always on the money.
The entire Spiked editorial team and Douglas Murray.

There are people who would be labelled “far left” who are also politically homeless. These are the old-style social democrats (not the SDP) with a belief in social justice and even, shock-horror, nationalisation. Many of these old ideas may need updating, but they are still valid ideas.

But whether on the right, left, or dead down the centre, what is painfully obvious is that all the established political parties don’t care about us, or the country, but only their own pet projects or, worse, their own personal gain.

We need parties that are pro-British and pro-British people. Too many are internationalist, or put the interests of other countries and other peoples before our own. We must look after ourselves now, because nobody else will.

No matter who we vote for sadly the same globalist agendas remain – I guess that is largely due to the senior civil servants who remain in place for decades. The British public never gets a say when our governments sign us up to life changing international treaties which often aren’t in the interest of your average citizen but to the benefit of the very top elite.

Civil Servants are not remotely the problem this time around. The contrived Covid madness is clearly part of the globalist agenda and the globalists are now playing a very serious game of hardball. We are in deep trouble.

We desperately need a pro-people party right now!

This is how fascist dictatorships get started. It’s worrying.
Then again, we’re already living in one, so……

This is one of the arguments for refusing to vote. (There are others.) Low turnouts absolutely are noticed, and new politicians will seek to fill any vacuum.

Until we have candidates and preferably parties standing for election that are not compromised on the coronapanic, and preferably not utterly corrupt Blairite vehicles for lying opportunists like the existing ones, we have no real alternative to not voting to put our point across.

There is the Libertarian Party UK. We are trying to grow and attract members and there a lot of like minded people engaging in good conversation here that would fit in well with the LPUK.

Have they made any statements on the coronapanic issue?

Have they stood any parliamentary candidates yet?

Tbh, I might vote for a LPUK candidate if one stood in my constituency, though it would be a wholly symbolic gesture (one party donkey constituency), but it would depend if it were left “libertarian” (full of woke, antiracist and internationalist dogma), or sensibly libertarian (small government, genuine free speech, policing borders).

Have they signed up to Toby’s Free Speech Union, or its principles – that seems to me to be a basic first step for anyone to be take as credible on freedom of speech today.

The fight against Covid fascism will not be won by playing the democracy game. That will be a dead end, literally.

I’ve joined the LPUK. They are against the PC woke nonsense. It’s the individual liberty, small government, free speech etc platform.
They have a website and facebook page if you what further info on their policies.
They are against the lockdown measures and are saying this is a massive government overreach

Looks interesting, we could do with a clean slate with politics.

I wonder did they support the compulsory lockdown of the healthy rather than just quarantine the ill? also wondered if you are pro choice regarding mask wearing?

Do you know why Dan Liddicott has suddenly resigned?

He did issue a statement on the facebook page.
I think he disagreed with the direction the NEC were going – ie only accepting 1 view of being a libertarian rather Dan’s view of having a spectrum to attract a broader base. But to you will have to look this up yourself to confirm

I think that they ALL know this, but then THEY are the problem, not the solution.

I think Farage does (and always has).

I just spoil every ballot paper now unless there is a true independent of any persuasion on the list but that is rarer than unicorn shit in this true-blue vote tory regardless neighbourhood.

At least the spoilt papers are recorded.

They are. And have to be counted because you bothered to turn up to vote. They have to ensure that the total number of votes cast equals the number of people who turn up to vote!

Remember to put a big black dot in each box though.

And the total of Spoiled Ballots gets read out on the telly.

I will just have to continually write “NONE OF THE ABOVE” in my ballot paper until the political class take the hint.

Boris Jong Son is shaping up to be the worst Conservative PM since Chamberlain and Eden!

“I will just have to continually write “NONE OF THE ABOVE” in my ballot paper until the political class take the hint.”

They won’t.
It will simply be counted as a spoiled ballot. Until and unless everyone does it, it won’t make any difference.

Yup – and they will just call us apathetic or anarchistic.

Agree but if more than enough of us go for “NONE OF THE ABOVE” surely they will have to listen?

The cynic in me goes naaaah……

Hey, Eden and Chamberlain may not have been the brightest bulbs in the set, but they did have some principles.

Chamberlain may be. Assume you mean Joseph, rather than Neville…

Eden had principles, mainly fascist, but still principles.

True but they floundered when it came to the crunch.

Surely ever…?

Unless someone in the future will turn out the worst of the worst.

They won’t get the chance.

No no, Boris is a much much worse. Boris is now overseeing the total demolition of the all the UK economies, on behalf of his “friends” in Davos.

There is the SDP. Socialist in the old sense – ie For the working classes.
Pro-Leave, pro-family.
No mention of their stance on lockdown though.
https://sdp.org.uk/

I’ve been a political orphan since 1987. You get used to it after thirty years or so. And when the pennies fall away from your eyes in the political sense, you really see what arseholes ALL politicians really are. No wonder we keep getting second and third raters in charge. No bloody vision, as Harold Wilson put it.

Likewise, I grew up thinking I was a Conservative until they got rid of Enoch, not because of the ‘rivers of blood’, rather because he was anti Common Market. Mrs.T. revived my interest for a while until they did the same to her, bunch of tossers.
There can be no party for an anarcho-conservative.

“There can be no party for an anarcho-conservative.”

 Well yes, that would have to be the case.

To be honest – the collective of the electorate are, in the end, responsible. The nation has come to be an idiocracy where ‘I never vote’ or ‘They’re all the same’ or ‘They’re all bent’ have passed as political wisdom – until the brainless has become the actuality.

“They’re all the same” and “They’re all bent” is certainly proving to be true at the moment.

Bent or stupid, not too much of a choice.

Bluster Keaton.

He would get my vote.

It’s a lot worse than that. The futile lockdowns are just a harbinger of the utter madness that is still to come. I may have said this before, but it bears repeating, we are in a fight for our very lives and right now we are losing hands down.

I’ve just read the Health Passport link on Toby’s page, sounds hideous. I really do hope that wasn’t the plan all along.

The ‘storming’ (walking in without a mask) of the Morrisons took place on Saturday 25th July – just after the introduction of compulsory masks in shops. Why are the mainstream media making such a fuss about this over 2 weeks after it happened? I am sure it didn’t go unnoticed by them. I guess the government is going to come out with more draconian punishments shortly.

Seriously, going to a supermarket mask free shouldn’t make front page headlines when we have just probably had the biggest ever man made economic crash in history.

Saw a video of a woman in Australia being put in a choke hold by a police thug for not wearing a mask. Not sure if this was widely reported by our honest and balanced MSM?

I saw that, along with a load of horrible people saying she deserved it and worse. How did we get here?

I often wonder that now. Went for a walk along the river last evening, rather warm and humid, no breeze. Was surprised how many other walkers were wearing masks!!!!WTF is wrong with people????

Hopeless, clueless and a lot more besides. We are clearly in deep trouble.

Yeah, but who were the people saying it? Probably sociopathic/psychopathic types that make up a section of the Twitterati.

There are other videos from Australia of car windows being smashed and the drivers being dragged out for not wearing masks in their own cars. The media have brainwashed the public to such an extent that they support brutal police action even to the point of killing people (history repeating itself again? I am sure people with say ‘it’s different this time’). Truly scary time, yet no MSM condemnation and silence from politicians on both the Left and Right!

Too busy thinking about BLM?

yes- from what i have seen all those assaulted by the police were white. Any link to complete MSM lack of interest?

Absolutely. Along with a frightened, compliant population. Any Ozzie’s on here with a view how Australians really view this madness?

As an Australian living in Melbourne, I am apalled and disgusted by the hysterical bedwetting displayed by our politicians and MSM over a few hundred deaths. But more disturbing has been the rapid descent into a police state and the way that has been cheered on by a largely compliant population. People with my views are very much in the minority and you risk being ostracized merely by expressing them. I feel very alone. This site has been a godsend to me. It is like the population had been completely brainwashed. Australia has long been a nanny state but the way this rampant authoritarianism had been cheered on is really frightening.

Adrian, your ‘I feel very alone’ comment doesn’t go unnoticed. My wife said to me that being a lockdown sceptic around ones friends can feel like it’s occupied Europe in the 1940s and we’re hiding Anne Frank in the attic (and yes, that may seem like an out-of-proportion comment, but I hope you get the general drift …).

“we’re hiding Anne Frank in the attic (and yes, that may seem like an out-of-proportion comment”

If only it were out of proportion, but it isn’t remotely so.

Sorry to see the conditions you are living under. I watched a video today by an Australian discussing the situation in Victoria https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39HDIna1c6A . The police look incredibly militarised for dealing with a virus, they seem to be armed and dressed for civil disorder (or a coup) not protecting people.

There is clearly a coup in progress.

It’s what fear does to people. I had hoped more folk would be rational these days, but clearly not.

On the bright side, you won’t be alone. I’ve spoken to many people who’ve responded with “but I thought it was just me thinking this way”. That will be as true in Melbourne as it is here.

Hold fast, brother.

How did it become a Nanny State? Any ideas?

Adrian, as a half Australian living in Scotland I have been astounded by the overnight authoritarianism here and in Australia, but it is a tactic they use to try to isolate non-compliant people (like a lion pack hunting prey) to disarm you and make you despair and give up. Recognize it as the challenge that evil always presents and take strength knowing there are millions who agree with you and are similarly being suppressed/silenced. Take care, your integrity matters more than being a compliant sheeple

I’m scared for the Australians. It’s shocking what’s happening in your country. I’m terrified it will come to pass in the UK next.

“I’m terrified it will come to pass in the UK next.”

And very rightly so.

To be fair, Australia was founded as a penal colony

Yes but, ironically, most of the convicts were political dissidents!

If I were still teaching I would be able to use all these incidents to effectively illustrate how the Nazis were able to take over so easily in Germany!

Compare and contrast. No hang on, just compare!

The dehumanisation of people the establishment disagrees with is a tactic we have sadly seen many times in the past – and when it is taken to extremes by the social engineers / propagandists we know it gets ugly. People sadly don’t see they are taking part in the same groupthink as previous generations have.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a modern day Sophie Scholl the way things are spiralling out of control.

I’ve already had to exhort some people to “get a grip of themselves”. We’re going to need some large mental institutions for them soon.

The institutions will be full of lockdown sceptics. We are in deep trouble.

The nazis took over Germany because the population was so scared of everything else they voted them into power. First thing they did was the Enabling Act which enabled Hitler to rule by decree, sound familiar?

Where did all these Uber Nazis come from? How did they end up as Presidents and Prime Ministers?

And yet, the masks cause anoxia, so you should NOT be operating a vehicle whilst wearing one.
Its the get out of jail free card if in an accident ” Yes officer I saw the other driver wearing a mask and appearing to slump monmentarily behind the wheel”
Im sure the insurance co’s will reeducate the police rapidly if it becomes a thing.

What’s going on will not be cured by insurance companies. It’s far far bigger than that. As Brian Gerrish from UK Column says, there is a now a coup in progress and the UK government is now being controlled by outsiders.

It was really disturbing. Everyone should take a look. The impunity the officers seem to enjoy in dragging then flattening this short, young woman to the ground was chilling. Thug officer even happy to give his name on video taken by distraught boyfriend. We need to be vigilant in this country…even Cressida ‘de Menezes’ DICKhead talked of shaming those without masks. Maybe she would like to see her servants soften people up a bit as well….

It will happen when muzzles become mandatory everywhere…..

Yes that is coming soon. Things are becoming very serious.

When she goes – which I trust will be after a long, miserable and guilt-wracked life – I’m hoping electricity will be involved somehow.

Toby covered it in yesterday’s Update.

It was here on Toby’s main page yesterday

Biggles has been out again today but not for long:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/g-bezl#25317ab6

Wot? I’ve not been anywhere near Grantham….

one flight around Grantham then a second flight to Sywell Aerodrome at Northampton where 2 Excel Aviation Limited , the owners, have another base.
So maybe off to pastures new tomorrow.
https://www.2excelaviation.com/
interesting web site. they have a company excelgeospatial that does a lot of geo mapping and surveying around forestry, crops and environment using state of the art cameras. So might not be so spooky.

Or they could just be spraying Covid-19 markers.

Is Toby going soft – what’s this ‘full lockdown’ business? Does he support a ‘soft lockdown’? What measures does he think government should have imposed and when should they be lifted? Be interesting to know.

Will, perhaps time you referred him to some of your articles on Conservative Woman.
https://conservativewoman.co.uk/author/willjones/

Here’s one: https://conservativewoman.co.uk/why-lockdown-is-useless-the-case-for-the-prosecution/

Regardless, the evidence is that the collective immunity threshold has been reached in the UK and many other countries. There are three dimensions to the proof.
Exhibit A:….
This is strong evidence that the infection rate is slowing down because it is approaching a natural limit, the collective immunity threshold, rather than due to any government intervention or change in public behaviour.

The Russian vaccine is actually using two human adenovirus vectors with the S protein gene for SARS-CoV-2, pretty neat. Aren’t AstraZeneca using monkey adenovirus, how long have the effects of that been studied?

I don’t know much about vaccines, because I was born at the time of thalidomide I am hesitant about medicines, but you seem to know a bit. Do you think the Russian vaccine will be safe and effective?

If I had the choice, I’d rather be injected with a human virus (once—they use two vector delivery) that causes common cold instead of a monkey one (twice—they use single vector and repeat); but I’m not in any at risk group for COVID-19 (which is pretty much the same risk groups as ‘flu, let’s be frank here) so getting a COVID-19 vaccine for me is as useful as getting an Ebola one…

But common colds kill the young and very old. What’s to be gained?

Likewise grew up with thalidomide all over the telly, bloody scary but I’d already had my school jabs.

That nice Mr Putin says his vaccine is safe so what’s the worry ?

Thalidomide was a drug, not a vaccine. Interestingly though, drugs are tested far more rigorously than are vaccines.

Poor man’s chloroquine

Use zinc with onions/tea/broccoli (zinc ionophores).

https://foundationforhealthresearch.org/modern-medicine-knew-of-zinc-cure/

A Russian vaccine or a witches brew from the great depopulator and eugenicist, Bill Gates, are you kidding us? Seriously though, just say no, you don’t need either.

Apparently Putin gave it to his daughter. (Did he really? We will never know, but still)

I have to give him props. We will not see that from our ‘leaders’.

He described her signs which are on par with reaction to a common cold infection (temperature spike to 38) and given it lasted one day (vectors don’t replicate), it sounds entirely plausible.

John Gummer fed his daughter a BSE burger, I mean a beef burger, during the mad cow disease panic. Both are still with us. (Not the cow, eighteen months and it’s curtains for them. Beware the New Normal, moosters)

To be fair, the cow was probably a goner by the time it had been turned into a burger.

Very possibly.

“ how long have the effects of that been studied?”

This is the crucial question. In my view, you have to be a little less than rational (to put it politely) to take a vaccine for a largely inconsequential disease, without extensive RCTs over a substantial time period – sufficient time for (a) results to be significant and (b) for proper peer review to have taken place.

The truth is that if Boris had stuck to his guns and not imposed a full lockdown Britain’s Covid death toll would be no higher, the collateral death toll would be lower and the economy would be in better shape.

So true

And liberty and truth would not have been irreperably damaged.

Correct. I’m what you could describe as ‘long in the tooth’ but everything I believed about society and politics has been turned inside out and back to front. My current view of the world is now my ‘new normal’…

Liberty and truth have been damaged for a long time. They are now on life support and urgently need resuscitaton. As we all do.

But the police state agenda would have been struggling to get off the ground.

Recession, entirely self inflicted by the cowardly Lion (he wishes!) in Number 10. It’s as thought the Tory Parliamentary Party has been ‘groomed’ by the Left to the point that they now actually believe the guff they continue to spout. The next stick fir them to be beaten with is exam results…they must smell Bungler’s blood in the water…

I saw the headline “Chancellor warns that recession is unprecedented”.
Rather like driving off a cliff and then warning your passengers that the car will be damaged. We are being run by people who literally dont know what they are doing.
It wouldnt surprise me if in a few years, lots of people who remained silent throughout this.. will claim that they were lockdown sceptics.

It wouldnt surprise me if in a few years, lots of people who remained silent throughout this.. will claim that they were lockdown sceptics.

Rather like people in France, Netherlands, Norway claiming to be in the Resistance during WW2 when they were actually silent or even passive collaborators.

Thought we were doing alright in 2003, who was it who sang
“If I didn’t see such riches I could live with being poor” something like that ?

Anyway I’m off down the pub.

James.

Off down the pub was Sham69, des neh ?

Urry up Arry, come on….

I was a monthly subscriber to Gourmet Magazine for many years. Near the end I could no longer stand looking at all the lovely photos of everything that only the rich could afford to possess. I would then look around my apartment and think, what a dump! The contrast became so extreme that reading it was no longer a pleasurable experience. I was upset, however, when I read that it had been discontinued a few years back. John Bainbridge’s London chronicle was my favourite. I would love to reread his article on the London Number 11 bus again.

http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/13523664

 Cloth face masks offer zero shield against virus, a study shows
And this is a study from Japan!

The most hilarious part is that the Japanese department of “Stating the Obvious” managed to convince someone that it was a worthwhile study to spend money on!

Describing C-19 pandemic? Wise words from the past

 “A celebrated popular delirium; because in errors, and especially in the errors of a multitude, what seems to me most interesting and most useful to observe, is, the course they have taken, their appearances, and the ways by which they could enter men’s minds, and hold sway there
“The image of this supposed danger beset and tortured the minds of the people far more than the real and existing danger.” – Alessandro Manzoni, I Promessi Sposi,1842 describing the plague and the craziness which enveloped the populace Milano 1630

Didn’t they lockdown London during the plague as well, only to discover that the “locked down” households were infecting every member in the same household and killing each other off? I can’t quite remember, but there’s bound to be stories online…

Think so. Because they were creating ‘plague houses’ (you know where they daubed a red cross on the door) and everyone who lived inside was effectively isolated, the sick members were infecting the well members and whole families died off.

Still — they were only quarantining the sick lol. Unfortunaely they were quarantining them with the healthy. …. similar to what happened in New York

I’m sure there’s a term of art for doing something that you know or ought to know is likely to cause harm… I think it starts with an ‘n’ and ends with an ‘e’

Haven’t learned much in the last 400 years have we?

literally, not a single thing

Lockdown was a common practise from ancient tims. City walls helped of course.
During the Peloponesian wars Athens was locked down by the Spartans beseiging them. ‘Plague’ broke out and killed a third of the Athenians.

Medieval house lockins were intended to prevent further spread of the disease within the city. You either died or survived but, if you were the only one. you got to keep all the stuff.
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Big fan. Great book.

Just back from a lovely mask free week in Croatia and very relieved to see that masks are for sale in the sweet machine in baggage reclaim at Gatwick. May just head back up to departures and buy a one way ticket to Croatia.

There’s an awful lot of “mask” product to shift – I hope if people do wear a face covering they make it a home made for free one.

Two reports for everyone:

First an update on the 94 year old who tested positive 2 weeks ago after one of her home carers had a positive test. She never developed any symptoms. She has been supported by her son and wife during her quarantine, they tested negative at the time. No one has developed any symptoms. Positive stories like this never make the media as they don’t fit the fear agenda.

Second update is about the test centre where I have been doing voluntary marshalling. It is in the northern restriction zone. I have come home early as they had only 6 swab tests booked in all day and these were all preoperative tests. These are tests people who are to undertake hospital treatment must take 3 days before admission. This test centre was doing antibody blood tests on NHS staff but this is no longer happening as the staff did not want to undertake these tests. They didn’t see the point given all the reasons antibodies might not show up. This test centre might close. Again something like this never gets reported.

The continued fear agenda I see as political, an attempt to bring the government down. This is abhorrent as it is causing suffering, sadness, loss and deaths. Someone in government must standup and take control.

and sadly, if she dies of old age, she will be counted as a Covid death

Yes that’s how the stats are being counted isn’t it. At 94 she could have a fall, break her hip. People can’t live for ever. And I think many frail elderly don’t want to live for ever

just watching news about the train derailment in scotland. Looks serious. Hopefully there will be no fatalities. However am i too cynical to wonder if there are, how many have had covid positive tests and how will their deaths be recorded?

We should not get into insensitive territory but wouldn’t put it past NS to mention that the rolling stock is apparently 40-year old cast-offs from – England of course.

The stock has been heavily refurbished and had a lot of money spent on it,much better than a lot of the new crap we have in England now.

True, but this valiant soul surely doesn’t want to die of neglect before her time, either, as seems to be happening to so many.

Good news on both counts!

Very encouraged about your test centre report. No wonder they are sending contact tracers to knock on doors – brandishing tests no doubt. I acrually want them to start doing this – mostly because it brings the problem to people’s doors and will hopefully wake them up. Got a stranger on your doorstep asking about your every move and offering to stick a swab into your brain cavity? No, you’re not being stalked- this is the state calling, in order to ‘protect’ you. Honestly I think most people will find this sinister.

Same here , whenever I pass the testing station there is never any traffic in or out. If people were really so scared of the Covid you might expect lengthy queues but there aren’t.

Sweden does not just have a smaller GDP contraction, it also has a smaller increase in government debt/GDP than all other countries.
And only the latter ‘saved’ the headline figures from dropping to -25 to -35% levels, which is the true size of decline of the private sector in most other countries.
That economic damage is also more skewed to multinational exporters there, instead of to small domestic businesses, like everywhere else.

And if everyone had done like Sweden, Sweden, and everyone else, would have gotten away with a mild recession only, and no need for any government aid programs and their resulting debt explosions.
Therefore alone, the popular argument that Sweden’s strategy didn’t work or didn’t save the economy, is plain wrong.

Anf because of that, Sweden and a handful of other countries are also the only ones who do not have the blood of millions of dead people in the 3rd world on their hands, people that weren’t killed by the virus or their countries lockdowns, but by the economic effects of our lockdowns there!

Now is Sweden’s opportunity to create a global financial power base.

From an e-mail I’ve received, interesting studies on masks:

“As a person who went to medical school, I was shocked when I read Neil Orr’s study , published in 1981 in the Annals of the Royal College of Surgeons of England. Dr. Orr was a surgeon in the Severalls Surgical Unit in Colchester. And for six months, from March through August 1980, the surgeons and staff in that unit decided to see what would happen if they did not wear masks during surgeries. They wore no masks for six months, and compared the rate of surgical wound infections from March through August 1980 with the rate of wound infections from March through August of the previous four years. And they discovered, to their amazement, that when nobody wore masks during surgeries, the rate of wound infections was less than half what it was when everyone wore masks. Their conclusion: “ It would appear that minimum contamination can best be achieved by not wearing a mask at all ” and that wearing a mask during surgery “ is a standard procedure that could be abandoned .””

Here is the original study published on the NIH website so it’s official:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493952/pdf/annrcse01509-0009.pdf

The e-mail the lists these studies:

• Ritter et al. , in 1975, found that “ the wearing of a surgical face mask had no effect upon the overall operating room environmental contamination .”
• Ha’eri and Wiley , in 1980, applied human albumin microspheres to the interior of surgical masks in 20 operations. At the end of each operation, wound washings were examined under the microscope. “ Particle contamination of the wound was demonstrated in all experiments .”
• Laslett and Sabin , in 1989, found that caps and masks were not necessary during cardiac catheterization. “ No infections were found in any patient, regardless of whether a cap or mask was used ,” they wrote. Sjøl and Kelbaek came to the same conclusion in 2002.
• In Tunevall’s 1991 study , a general surgical team wore no masks in half of their surgeries for two years. After 1,537 operations performed with masks, the wound infection rate was 4.7%, while after 1,551 operations performed without masks, the wound infection rate was only 3.5%.
• A review by Skinner and Sutton in 2001 concluded that “ The evidence for discontinuing the use of surgical face masks would appear to be stronger than the evidence available to support their continued use. ”
• Lahme et al. , in 2001, wrote that “ surgical face masks worn by patients during regional anaesthesia, did not reduce the concentration of airborne bacteria over the operation field in our study. Thus they are dispensable .”
• Figueiredo et al. , in 2001, reported that in five years of doing peritoneal dialysis without masks, rates of peritonitis in their unit were no different than rates in hospitals where masks were worn.
• Bahli did a systematic literature review in 2009 and found that “ no significant difference in the incidence of postoperative wound infection was observed between masks groups and groups operated with no masks. ”
• Surgeons at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden, recognizing the lack of evidence supporting the use of masks, ceased requiring them in 2010 for anesthesiologists and other non-scrubbed personnel in the operating room. “ Our decision to no longer require routine surgical masks for personnel not scrubbed for surgery is a departure from common practice. But the evidence to support this practice does not exist ,” wrote Dr. Eva Sellden.
• Webster et al. , in 2010, reported on obstetric, gynecological, general, orthopaedic, breast and urological surgeries performed on 827 patients. All non-scrubbed staff wore masks in half the surgeries, and none of the non-scrubbed staff wore masks in half the surgeries. Surgical site infections occurred in 11.5% of the Mask group, and in only 9.0% of the No Mask group.
• Lipp and Edwards reviewed the surgical literature in 2014 and found “ no statistically significant difference in infection rates between the masked and unmasked group in any of the trials .” Vincent and Edwards updated this review in 2016 and the conclusion was the same.
• Carøe , in a 2014 review based on four studies and 6,006 patients, wrote that “ none of the four studies found a difference in the number of post-operative infections whether you used a surgical mask or not .”
• Salassa and Swiontkowski , in 2014, investigated the necessity of scrubs, masks and head coverings in the operating room and concluded that “ there is no evidence that these measures reduce the prevalence of surgical site infection .”
• Da Zhou et al. , reviewing the literature in 2015, concluded that “ there is a lack of sub

No surprise to anyone in sceptics and is it?

Urm. Ok that’s open and shut for me

wow good work…amazing.
So why not just wear the mask and help keep people safe? I just don’t understand where you are coming from.

Who needs a mask when I’ve got one of your badges thanks for the note too, made it more personal and supportive.

Glad you got them. I tried with the note.

Just being awkward and I’m not in general a “people person”, 97% of them are oxygen thieves (those who read this website not included in that of course).

I read the theories about population reduction and so on, look around me especially now and think “those rich buggers who want this lot killed off, I can sympathise with that. Where and how do I join the club?”

I know, you were being sarcastic – I think the little face thingy is winking. Not up to speed on this modern texting tuff.

I was being sarcastic, a great post for sure

Actually it did surprise me on a first reading.
But on second thoughts, it doesn’t. I’m just so used to seeing masked surgeons on TV that I automatically assumed masks were crucial.
Thank you for enlightening me!

Surprised me as well but that is what it says in the study as the conclusion, pretty definite and repeatable time after time by others.

I think it’s another case of reassurig the patient!

Makes me think I’m in never ending episode of Dr. Kidare.

Wow. Great find, Awkward Git. I know just the people to beat up with it :o))

2010

Tory candidate quits over remark

A Conservative election challenger is quitting after being quoted as wanting a “period of creative destruction in the public services.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4352425.stm

A concept relevant to Government by Chaos. These are phychopaths.

That’s taught him/her who the real ptb are these days.

Things are starting to move, very slowly and cautiously, in the right and rational direction in the German MSM:
The ultra-left TAZ published a critical article by two epidimiologists, and a mainstream media station has for the first time ever criticized the constant changes of criteria set by the government and the RKI, from ftc, via R, via 50/100000 to absolute number of cases. His conclusion:
“If you have no goal, or constantly change it, you won’t ever reach it/one!”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft3_97HfnXY

Karl Popper had a better idea: if you have no falsifiablilty you have no hypothesis

Isn’t that a basic scientific assumption?

Searching the internet I came across only one online hit and that was a newspaper in Kent that mentions the parliamentary committee on 21 July 2020 but although it gives a few quotes from Whitty from that day it doesn’t mention his biggest and greatest so I contacted the editor to ask why not.

I then came across the website of Dean Russell, MP for Watford, who boasts he is proud that fellow MPs picked him dos ere on the Health and Social Care Committee so I sent him this e-mail:

“I have had no reply from the chair of the Health and Social Care Committee Jeremy Hunt about this issue so as I found your website that says you are proud to serve on the Committee then I will put it to you:

Nowhere on your website does it mention the absolutely most important and momentous quote from CMO Chris Whitty on the 21st July 2020:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

Why was he not challenged on this at the time by anyone on the Committee?

Why is this statement not being reported by ANY media outlet?

This one comment totally undermines and destroys the whole narrative of “following the science” to justify population lockdown and proves Sweden, Tanzania and Belarus among a very few others followed the correct course and 2000 years of medical experience dealing with these types of illnesses was the correct “treatment protocol”.

This, in effect, means that “the virus” infection rate was dropping drastically BEFORE the incarceration of the population started and that the existing precautions – wash hands properly, coughing etiquette, stay at home if you feel ill – were effectively controlling the spread of “the virus”.

It also means that the peak of the infections occurred PRIOR to the population incarceration commenced and as the average time from catching “the virus” to death has been widely stated as 23 days with the peak numbers of deaths occurring approximately 10-14 days from commencement of the incarceration it means that the imprisonment of the population and destruction of the economy has had NO effect whatsoever.

At the same Committee hearing the Chair, MP Jeremy Hunt stated “We all know that voluntary social distancing was introduced on 16 March, and it was made compulsory a week later on 23 March.”

It is ‘guidance” which has NO force of law nor is enforceable in England.

As the Chair of the relevant Committee and a Member of Parliament surely he knows that social distancing has never been law in England? If not, why not?

And why did no Committee member or witness challenge him on this statement?

Here is a link to a video I had made for me by parliamentlivetv of the relevant section of the committee hearing:

https://1drv.ms/v/s!Agv7JEO8MngCiSmT-rY5ChSI9LV-
It’s 23 MB so too big too e-mail.

You can download it yourself on their website – set the start time at 10:58:00 and end time as 11:01 – their instructions are easy to follow.”

Anyone out there in sceptics land from Watford and has Dean Russell as their MP? His auto reply says he can only answer to his constituents and no-one else so feel free to send this on to him as a constituent.

I addressed it to him as a select committee member so just maybe he may read my e-mail.

I should bloody well hope so. Well written and researched!

My previous posting is awaiting approval as it has lots of links to studies on masks in it (none of which say they work) so here it is in brief:

From an e-mail I’ve received, interesting studies on masks:

“As a person who went to medical school, I was shocked when I read Neil ore’s study, published in 1981 in the Annals of the Royal College of Surgeons of England. Dr. Orr was a surgeon in the Severalls Surgical Unit in Colchester. And for six months, from March through August 1980, the surgeons and staff in that unit decided to see what would happen if they did not wear masks during surgeries. They wore no masks for six months, and compared the rate of surgical wound infections from March through August 1980 with the rate of wound infections from March through August of the previous four years. And they discovered, to their amazement, that when nobody wore masks during surgeries, the rate of wound infections was less than half what it was when everyone wore masks. Their conclusion: “ It would appear that minimum contamination can best be achieved by not wearing a mask at all ” and that wearing a mask during surgery “ is a standard procedure that could be abandoned .”

Here is the original study published on the NIH website so it’s official:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493952/pdf/annrcse01509-0009.pdf

Horrendous reading but it would at least make sense if that was the plan all along and our muppet population would go along with it just get out of this shitty government created lockdown.

Sorry, that was meant to be in reply to Jay Berger, below.

The article on the Health Passport is a must read.
Truly scary and dystopian and, apparently, already well underway!
It is of utmost importance to resist its introduction and as such first and foremost to try to stop this in its tracks ASAP.
Certainly a huge priority for immediate legal action, IMO.

It is literally straight out of an episode of “Black Mirror”!!

What’s fascinating is that one of the countries signed up to this is Sweden. Which given their stance on the virus is a bit strange. Though I”m guessing this kind of thing is years in the planning so has been around for a while waiting for an opportunity to release it.

I agree. Very scary article.

There is a legal challenge underway to stop it
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/join-the-legal-challenge-to-st/

I wonder how many of the new ‘cases’ are in those who have recovered from a mild or asymptomatic infection and are simply continuing to shed non viable viral matter and now being picked up incidentally by the increased population testing? Maybe they were always asymptomatic from a previous infection? Whatever the final answer when we can look back sensibly we have not seen any new sick patients in my hospital and even the national (inflated) numbers of admissions and questionable Covid attributed fatalities seem to have fallen off a cliff as well. I think the pandemic is all but over but no one has the confidence to admit it and face up to the economic catastrophe we now face.

No one else is going to go back on public transport or to the shops until these idiotic mandates on useless face coverings persist and people continue to be paid to be on holiday by the state.

None of the fellow medics in the hospital dept I work in believes face masks make the slightest difference but simply go along with the crowd in unquestioning group think under the misguided impression the public think they are effective and don’t want to rock the boat or appear to question management or politicians in public. They have lost the ability to think for themselves. All the patients I see hate them and I am happy and encourage them to remove them to facilitate communication etc. The medical establishment seems to have completely lost the plot. All dissent and the growing contradictory evidence against the lockdown from other countries is seemingly censored by the MSM and BBC.

The NHS is looking at a catastrophe in the coming months from the new waiting lists which will take months if not years to deal with if things continue as they are now.

The fear mongering and panic porn has been turned up to 11 again in virtually every single MSM outlet, simultaneously.

But they don’t work to order or anything, oh no.

I noticed that…..

Funny, I just reread a certain book with a character called Winston Smith. Can’t remember what it was called…..

It is??
I don’t look at or read anything in the MSM any more except for a few specific linked articles, just for the WTF?? factor.

I manage to avoid virtually all of it but it finds its way into what should be innocent pleasures like watching the sports channels or listening to music on the radio in the car.

I ,isten to Classic FM, as soon as music ends, sound off, wait a bit, check, if music heard keep sound on, if not, keep sound off. I do it automatically now.

Yes likewise. It’s almost as it goes quiet and someone clicks a button and reboots the fear.

We are testing more so we are seeing more cases, is that so hard for the MSM to comprehend?

Those infected are not at risk and get better.

Move on.

The story about that 33 year old teacher from Florida writing her own obituary because she thinks she’ll die from Covid when she goes back to school. What in the world is she on.

“Even though she shouted from the rooftops, attempted to be unemotional, and educated herself in facts and science, she succumbed to the ignorance of those in power”

I wonder what facts she educated herself with to form the opinion that a healthy 33 year old will succumb to a virus where the average age of death is around 80 and where most people are asymptomatic.

She must get her facts from the same place as Boris.

Mental illness, nothing less.

And attention seeking

I agree with the attention seeking – ME! ME! MEEEEEE!!! LOOK AT ME!

33 again

33 you say?

Yeah, the magic number.
Ought to be 666.

Feel sorry for her pupils. What level of education must they be receiving from someone like that?

Profound stupidity.

Leave her alone. She only has a 99.9995% chance of survival.

Yet her opinion gets the headlines and continues the fear.

You will be pleased to know that our quarantine ends today after we had the temerity to travel to a country which was on the good list when we left the UK but put on the naughty list the day after we arrived there.

Were we contacted at any stage during this fortnight to check that we were being good boys and girls? No

Did it make the slightest bit of difference to our everyday life? No

congrats on being free again!

oh wait a minute..

Glad to hear you ignored this poisonous tosh.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-mass-testing-for-covid-19-do-more-harm-than-good-

Prof Heneghan andTom Jefferson in today’s Spectator.

Free article.

Good article!

Getting bored waiting for kebabs to marinate so looked at the WHO pages on pneumonia:

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/pneumonia

They give some facts:

• Pneumonia accounts for 15% of all deaths of children under 5 years old, killing 808 694 children in 2017. – so why did no-one bother with these deaths EVERY year?
• Pneumonia can be caused by viruses, bacteria, or fungi. yep, all in the mouth naturally or growing on wet sticky masks
• Pneumonia can be prevented by immunization, adequate nutrition, and by addressing environmental factors. good nutrition? Not in the NHS vocabulary.

Mentioned again: Adequate nutrition is key to improving children’s natural defences

One line that caught my eye was:

“ The viruses and bacteria that are commonly found in a child’s nose or throat, can infect the lungs if they are inhaled.”

So all those muzzled, sanctimonious, moronic wankers muzzling their kids are going to be responsible for their illness.

I’m going to make a prediction here being as jaded and cynical as I am:

• increase in bacterial pneumonia infections in children seen starting about now then rising rapidly in a few weeks
• starts to peak about October just after schools have re-opened
• will be labelled as coronavirus as the symptoms are basically the same
• wrong treatment given and children die
• big lockdown “for the cheeeeeldren” as they are dropping like flies from coronavirus when all they needed was a course of amoxicillin

I hope I’m wrong.

and this one which has some good graphs etc:

https://ourworldindata.org/pneumonia

I just came across this article :
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/good-public-health-behaviors-nm-tyrant-governor-announces-will-keep-covid-19-practices-place-even-pandemic/

“These Are Good Public Health Behaviors” – New Mexico Tyrant Governor Announces She Will Keep COVID-19 Practices in Place Even After Pandemic

“New Mexicans are enlisting legislators to call for an extraordinary session. Here’s a post from NM Extraordinary Session Facebook page (posted August 8 at 2:31 pm):

“This week, the Governor stated that she wants to continue all of her current restrictions whether we get a COVID vaccine or not.
Let’s be clear about what that means.
Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham’s orders have been made under the auspices of her executive emergency powers. The NM Supreme Court has upheld her orders because of that interpretation. Only in a crisis could an elected official get away with shutting down places of business, schools, churches, and declaring gatherings of 5 people or more a violation of the law.
That’s because under any ordinary circumstances, these orders violate the constitutional right to freedom of association.
(Governor Grisham notably made exceptions to her own rule for mass protests this summer, but has made no such accommodation for public gatherings of groups she disagrees with. The fact is that it’s the constitutional right of any group of people to publicly gather and peacefully protest, and no elected official should be picking who is allowed to exercise their rights and who isn’t.)
So why would the Governor imply that she intends to suspend the right to freedom of association indefinitely?
All this statement tells us for sure is that the Governor’s intentions are to not lift these restrictions, regardless of COVID case numbers.
A group of concerned citizens is calling for action.”

What’s the betting more state governors and other governments do the same thing, i.e. remove your freedoms permanently? In the U.S., they have the Constitution to fall back on, to fight back against this tyranny. Other countries don’t.

Inevitable.

It’s no surprise. This is why Dolan’s case here is essential. Power is a drug and hard to resist.

Looks like another one joining Yorkshire Tea in committing corporate suicide by going woke:

https://twitter.com/DouglasKMurray/status/1293478921674072066

BTW, Yorkshire Tea in Morrisons with 50% extra in large pack going for around a fiver.

Mason Mills was discussing B&J today on the Patreon site. Apparently they have got a world of pain heading their way.

good

aren’t patreon in warm water too? some law suit with arbitration fees or something? for censorship

Not surprised.They didn’t learn from Gillette and Yorkshire Tea – go woke, go broke

Please boycott Yorkshire Tea.

Am doing.
And there’s far better ice cream to be had than BJ goo.

Haagen Daz, Jude’s, even supermarket own brand are better!

Sainsbury’s does a good organic fair-traded tea. Yorkshire tea is neither of those anyway.

I’d rather drink Twinings

Jasmine tea with honey. Yummy!

I dropped B&J a quick reply:

https://twitter.com/RobertJ62035232/status/1293486638241320961

nice

ironically i I feel as though I would like to flee the war, torture (both side effects of the corona pschological operation) and climate change (that last ones a scam but I’d still like to flee the devotees ie corrupt gov)

do you think B&J might advise where I can flee to? that would be so nice of them. I would even buy some of their overpriced icedcream!

Spot on!!!

‘Lockdownus hystericalis’: a species of spineless organism; known for its extreme gullibility and unquestioning obedience to govt nonsense. – Causes: economic destruction

Symptoms – obtaining news and information from MSM, government briefings, antisocial media, hysteria

How to spot – wearing muzzles (gloves optional), excessive use of hand sanitiser, blocking and unfriending people on antisocial media who sprout contrary views, fretting about “second wave”, obsessive adherence to antisocial distancing measures and happily gives data for NHS T&T

Extreme behaviour – shaming people on antisocial media, calling people who aren’t wearing muzzles out, lack of compassion for those with disabilities and abused by the police as well as those suffering from discomfort from wearing muzzles.

Cure – Sadly there is no known cure yet however some experts believe that a recession coupled with job redundancy and bankruptcy could be an effective cure. If over a certain age, taxation of pension schemes and abolition of the triple lock is seen as effective.

I can understand why someone in Toby’s position might be wary of endorsing a group involving Piers Corbyn in a leading position. But the trouble is these are the people taking to the streets and protesting every week and getting attention. The government, MSM and public take no notice of us on here.

If there was a Lockdown Sceptics rally based on the mainstream issues on this site I would certainly attend – and be willing to help out with. I feel if we are to win people over to our point we need to concentrate on issues such as the economy and petty diktats, people switch off if 5G or mandatory vaccinations are mentioned. Time seems to be running out.

Yes I would help. We perhaps need them in various parts of the country

I tend to think 5G is irrelevant, but I admit I am ignorant.

Mandatory vaccinations are highly relevant. I don’t want someone forcing a needle into my arm or those of my loved ones, or anyone come to that. Neither do I think any measures to make them defacto mandatory by restricting access to services and freedom if you haven’t had them are morally justifiable.

I completely agree. I hate the idea of mandatory vaccinations but if the public who seem on the whole to be desperate to take anything the government tells them, if they see anything criticising the vaccine, they immediately become aggressive and hostile. The public have been programmed by the MSM to see as anyone who doesn’t take the vaccine out of personal choice as an enemy of science and evil anti-vaxxer (both which are complete lies and propaganda).

Well, I am not so sure about that. Some of the public see it like that, but I think many who are neutral might see mandatory vaccinations as a step too far. We don’t have them for anything else.

I think if you asked the public this time last year and said should people be mandatory vaccinated with a rushed vaccine against a virus with 99.9% survival rate for most age groups, people would have said no.

But the weak minded have been worn down by month of propaganda much of it from organisations with links to the Bill and Mellinda Gates Foundation (such as the BBC and Guardian).

Ah but this is an UNPRECEDENTED situation!

yes they haven’t quite figured out that this upcoming super duper vaccine mightn’t be so good for them

speculated a while ago but are they culling the stupid?

we’re constantly told (there are far too many of us) by the same apparatus that is pushing this agenda right now

does anyone remember prince philip’s quote about reincarnation? when asked it was something along the lines of… he would like to return as a virus and wipe out most of humanity

they really do hate us

Philip does give a lot of credence to the reptilian rumours …..

apparently may be adrenochrome

I don’t think the covid vaccine is popular as you think. Yes there are always some that will definitely take it, but there are a growing number who will refuse it as reported in the media. Apparently there were polls saying that people who will take a covid vaccine is now at it’s lowest level in the US (i’d say it’s falling here too).
Yale Uni are doing a study on how best to convince the public to take the vaccine (basically it’s propaganda) because a significant amount of people are dead against taking this vaccine.

Del Bigtree (The High Wire) and Robert F Kennedy’s campaigning has been an eye-opener to many people!

There won’t be mandatory vaccinations,

I hope you are right but don’t share your confidence. My MP refused to rule it out. What makes you say there won’t be? Would you have predicted that this government would have enacted the measures restricting liberty that they have done, at the start?

Pratt Hancock would make them mandatory if he could.

What would stop him from doing so? I doubt you’d get enough votes against in parliament. As I said earlier, my MP, a Conservative, refused to rule it out. That suggests to me they have been told to say that because she toes the party line on everything.

then death by a thousands jabs for hancock it is then!

oh and the fucker has to be muzzled throughout too

maybe we could give him 1 a day for a thousand days.. yes that sounds more appropriate

We could make a film. Let’s call it ‘Matt of a thousand days’.

Yesterday the Scottish Parliament extended the Scottish covid emergency bill to Match 2021. As part of the very few questions and pre agreed ‘debate’ in the chamber it was specifically mentioned that the bill contains power to mandate medical intervention. This was poken of in the chamber as being of use for both covid19 (the term used) and also Flu.

The words were spoken by Michael Russell in response to a labour question.
This is the debate where this was spoken: https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/emergency-scots-covid-laws-extended-next-march-2939201

Farewell to democracy,informed consent and free speech. The odious hate crime bill is still on the cards.

It’s against the European Convention on Human Rights.

“The right to respect for private life guaranteed by Article 8 of the Convention has assumed particular prominence in the Court’s case-law on “the right to health”. The Court has interpreted the notion of private life as covering the right to the protection of one’s physical, moral and psychological integrity, as well as the right to choose, or to exercise one’s personal autonomy – for example, to refuse medical treatment or to request a particular form of medical treatment (Glass v. the United Kingdom, §§ 74-83; Tysiąc v. Poland).

https://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Research_report_health.pdf

Yes, but such rights can always be “balanced” against other rights, and”rights”, to negate such protections. That’s how protection of political freedom of speech came to an end in Europe. We supposedly had a right to that as well. (We still have the right, of course, it’s just not protected in Europe and the UK.)

Thanks for that info.

Yes thanks. We know its badly wrong. I cannot read PDFs on phone but have saved link.

I believe tgere is a huge gulf between parliament giving themselves emergency powers probably aimed at local area clusters to a full nation of force vaccination. They can cart people off to secure locations for medical assessment under UK wide covid bill powers. Children with out parents consent or presence too.

But on the main point of nationwide vaccination. They only have coercion.

They might not officially be made mandatory as in that they will strap you down and inject you. But they will make life incredibly difficult for those that don’t have it, via travel restrictions and restrictions on employment and perhaps even disqualification from state benefits. The Bill Gates and Big Pharma vaccination agenda is very sinister.

They won’t make it mandatory outright, but effectively they will by the backdoor. No vaccine? No access to sports grounds, concerts, travel, can’t enroll children in school etc.
That’s what Bill Gates has been pushing since day one of the lockdown (digital immunity certificate) – it’s called Covidpass! And in Africa they are trialling the same idea but the app is linked to a Mastercard payments system (Wellness pass).

I suspect 5G is key to the “Health Passport”.
Nobody needs to download a film at lightning speed.

5G technology is apparently very good at accurate location tracking (if device use is widespread). I also understand that it will be very important for the roll out of facial recognition technology as illustrated in the BBC Office of 2025 propaganda the other day. It gives authorities and big tech an incredible amount of data on our daily movements and transactions we make (payment via facial recognition technology is here already) – we are going to be very controlled but they will sell the idea as convenience.

I’ve read reports that it doesn’t work that well if the devices are less than about 4 ft apart.

Closer than that the device can still receive/send data and not get tangled up with the other devices but that the 5G system cannot actually tell exactly what device is where other than “they are all in this little group somewhere”.

6ft is probably the minimum separation distance for the system to accurately determine individual devices real locations.

Strange how that is the social distancing separation distance as well isn’t it?

Researched 5G and EMFs a lot over the years as the wife has bad electro-magnetic hypersensitivity and there is a lot of info out there about EMFs.

What we’ll see with 5G is the infrastructure for a China style ‘social credit’ system in the UK (& the West) – thouse who don’t know what it is, just google it! Big Brother on steroids!

5G is totally irrelevant. It is no different from any other radio transmitter signal including 2G, 3G, 4G and all the TV and radio transmitters. It characteristics have been know for many years and although at high power levels there may be some heat damage to the body, at the power levels used by mobile phone transmitters the effects are negligible. It (or any other radio signal) has no effect on viruses of any sort.

Agree. They seem to get the numbers to attend the rally’s and also get mentioned in the news.

I don’t care who it is. Even if it’s David bloody Icke. I’ll go if it’s near me and if I can.

Being batshit crazy and right on this one issue is more valuable than being right on everything but not allying with crazy when it matters.

check out http://www.standupx.info to see if there’s a protest near you, so e-mail them if you want them to organise one in your area if possible

I’ve been to a couple of these protests at Hyde Park (im not an organiser just an attendee). One of them was properly organised with the police and we wnet down Oxford Street and to BBC HQ to protest them too, then down to Whitehall.

Standup X isn’t Piers Corbyn’s group, but he has attended some of them to give speeches.

I know he is Jeremy’s brother, but i’m not going hold hat against Piers – he knows his stuff! He is also against Extinction Rebellion and is a climate change skeptic (I think he has a phd in meteorology).

Stand up X collaborates informally with Save our rights and Keep Britain Free, so these protests are a coalition.
Those that follow this site are free to come down and maybe print off a bullet point factsheet and advertisement to this site to give out to the public

It’s an extremely wide mix of people, young/old, various races & class. Some are deep into heavy conspiracy thoeries, others are just worried about the loss of civil liberties and the destruction of the economy. However we are all lockdown skeptics.
I think there’s another protest planned and they are trying to organise a number of doctors who are critical of the official narative to speak.
It’s a proper grass roots thing but growing extremely fast when comparing it to the first march I went to and the most recent one in London.
It’s not perfect by any means and like a political party, you may not aree with all the policies & views, but overall they are at least on the street trying to do something.
This site (among many others) is great to share as a resource once we get people’s attention at these marches, then they can to go further in details of the evidence.
You simply can’t explain the infomation on this site in detail on a protest on the street – it’s merely to get attention to the issues then having the conversation afterwards.

The reality is, as great as this site is, it’s not going to change anything on it’s own.

The vaccines are an important issue and many people are worried about the safety of it considering how rushed it is – even if they are not necessarily a lockdown skeptic!

Zombies R Us here in Sturgeon land: sunny, warm and breezy here today.

Fresh air! Good for the breathing apparatus, but, about 75% are now gagged when walking about outdoors.

Why?

I’m now wondering whether this senseless and protracted obstruction of normal inhalation and exhalation might not result in a rise in upper airways infections when the annual flu season starts.

Oral and facial symptoms are already manifesting apparently.

Absolutely no evidence to support this, but it’s occurred to me recently while I’m out Zombie spotting.

What do others think?

Probably impossible to establish definitive correlation let alone causation.

“Stupid is as stupid does” – Forest Gump, 1994

That wasn’t Tom Hanks by any chance?

Such sad news yet so predictable! When will the public wake up?

it is a long long time since i did my A levels. My results were not very good. However i recall my mocks were ok. Is it too late to have the results changed so that i can have the grades from my mocks ?

computer says

no

Absolutely brilliant ‘Government by Chaos’, by Guy de la Bédoyère. An outstanding and well founded overview of our predicament. One to save and reread. Thank you Guy.

“The UK Government is veering towards irrelevance at least to a significant proportion of the population.”

I am already there. Just a matter of how and how much to get rid of.

How about a coup and take over the government?

I thought we were currently doing that ‘coup the coup!’ I am off to make a tshirt…

Post a picture of it and let’s us know where to get one

It’s already taking place.
But we won’t be ‘taking over’. We’ll just be ignoring them. I suppose that is taking over- taming over the running of our own lives.

Really worth reflecting on Chaos by Government.

The government are irrelevant to me. They exist purely to take from me. The take tax, the take time, they take life, the take fun, the take future. And in return they give me? Well they give me no confidence in them. Apparently they keep me safe from enemy states, but I think the government cause an equal harm. They supply water and tax sewage. Really do they do much else?

The peacefulness and community of our lives is caused be the people not by the government. It never has been. Those at arms have always out numbered those who control.

Boris goes on holiday at the end of the week. Will Gove stage a coup. He has been rather quiet of late.

really is he any better?

The coup has already happened and it wasn’t Gove.

From last month by HMG, don’t know if it’s been on here before or not:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/907616/s0650-direct-indirect-impacts-covid-19-excess-deaths-morbidity-sage-48.pdf

It’s title is: Direct and Indirect Impacts of COVID-19 on Excess Deaths and Morbidity: Executive Summary
Department of Health and Social Care, Office for National Statistics, Government Actuary’s Department and Home Office
15 July 2020

There’s a new article on Hector Drummond site that cross analyses this report with Imperial’s recent cost/benefit analysis.
https://hectordrummond.com/2020/08/11/nick-rendell-comments-on-a-covid-cost-benefit-analysis/

One conclusion that cannot be ignored is that in all these findings that while we are happy to value a lost non-Covid-19 death at £30,000 per year/life lost we are putting a value on the life/years lost to Covid-19 at between 3 and 183 times greater than this.

Doesn’t the E in the PPE degree stand for economics??!!

This got me thinking, partly because I’d been talking to someone about the requirements of my own degree (history) in terms of what papers I had to take. Specifically, I spent the whole of my final year on political philosophy (not history), so I wondered…

According to ox.ac.uk:
“PPE is a highly flexible degree which allows you to shape your own path through it: you may choose to specialise in two branches at the end of the first year, or continue with all three. You can also explore a wide variety of disciplines under the overarching headings of Philosophy, Politics, and Economics – for example, you can specialise in Sociology or International Relations by choosing the relevant Politics options.”

In other words, as far as I can work out, as long as you spend one term of your first year doing an economics paper, which could be pretty basic historical economics, you probably never need to look at it again if you don’t want to.

If I could be bothered, I could look a bit further into it – for example, the tripos system being what it is, it’s possible that you only in fact need to read two papers in your first year (the third term being clear for your part I exams), in which case I can’t see any reason you would have to study any economics at all. This last para is speculation. I don’t even know whether PPE has a 1 year or 2 year part I

It’s an astonishing assumption that those who would die from Covid-19 would otherwise have between 5 and 10 years of life remaining on average.

Surely it’s not even that complex to work it out. Take into account the current condition and medical history of the patient and cross-reference with historical data.

But, as usual, just make an assumption that helps justify the course of action.

Does anybody know the legal definition of Treason in the UK? Just curious if it is specifically against the monarchy (the sovereign) or the sovereign power (the people).

Technically Petty Treason (if still valid) could be argued that the servant (government) has killed their master (the people) or at least some of them.

There’s also the argument that the government have colluded with outside powers to inflict harm on the people in what Boris himself declared as a war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_treason_in_the_United_Kingdom

I had a look the other day on legislation.gov.uk

All the Treason legislation is on there all the way back to 1351.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/primary+secondary?title=treason

In the 1351 Treason Act it states:

“Declaration what Offences shall be adjudged Treason.”

“if a Man do levy War against our Lord the King in his Realm, be adherent to the King’s Enemies in his Realm, giving to them Aid and Comfort in the Realm, or elsewhere”

Definition of adherent:  A supporter, as of a cause or individual

In the 1848 Treason Act as in that it states as an act of treason:

“to intimidate or overawe both Houses or either House of Parliament”

No wonder there are reports in the independent media he is looking at revising the legislation with regards to treasonous behaviour as the current situation is verging on meeting these criteria.

There are definitely adherents to persons in this country currently trying to overthrow our system of governance and Parliament is acting overawed and intimidated or they would not be so supine in challenging or questioning what is being forced onto the general population.

I did do some digging before asking the question and couldn’t work out if much of it specifically applies to the reigning monarch. Given that they are merely a figurehead representative of the people, the wording implies that treasonous acts could be enacted upon the people.

Was just looking for some clarity.

Reading the various laws it says along the lines of “the king, his heirs and successors” so covers every monarch and so on for ever without actually mentioning them by name or sex.

Were certain spies put to death during wars under treason law?

Supposedly the playwright Christopher Marlowe was a spy.

…he is looking at revising the legislation with regards to treasonous behaviour…

Bit of a dead giveaway!

“to intimidate or overawe both Houses or either House of Parliament”

That would cover one specific non politician straight away!

Yep my immediate thought was a certain billionaire with lots of fingers in every sticky pie.

We thinking about the same person?

Don’t place any confidence in obscure legal reasonings to get us out of this one – that kind of thing only works if you have an honest judiciary, or an honest and free media to shame them into pretending to be honest.

And remember, this is a country in which we all spent .half a century congratulating ourselves on convicting German leaders for “the crime of aggression” and pontificating to the rest of the world about how waging a war of aggression was the ultimate crime, until suddenly the test came and it turned out waging a war of aggression wasn’t even illegal in this country. Our establishment (under numerous both “Labour” and “Conservative” governments) “forgot” to implement that particular restriction on their freedom of action.

Remember the mass outrage in our establishment, the mainstream media demands from all those who still pontificate about the crime of aggression – for other countries – for emergency legislation to quickly correct this appalling oversight? No, me neither.

That’s the kind of situation in which obscure legal reasoning is effective: when it gets our elites out of a hole they’ve dug for themselves.

Just spotted this article on twitter re Spain. Going for another lockdown but not till 18th September.

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/08/09/spain-set-to-lockdown-friday-the-18th-september-with-three-phase-system-closing-borders-with-france-portugal/amp/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Fat lot of good the masks have done, then.

What a farce!!

Totally, if its so bad why not impose lockdown again from tomorrow, makes no sense.

It’s nothing but a game to the politicians. They are playing fast and loose with our lives without giving us a thought. They really are the most despicable of classes.

Re mask’s just received a catalogue from a shopping company I have used in the past. Not often as the Cornish Seasalt brand is mega expensive, I see now that the outdoorsy beach combing brand sells its own unique masks!!! FFS an outdoor clothing company!

I got one 2 days ago; won’t be using them again!

Do write and tell them why.

They’ve been touting these ‘handybands’ since the bollox began. Yuk yuk yuk.

I believe one of us sceptics wrote to them, asking them to include a warning that the horrid things affirded no protection against Covid.
Nor, of course, does any ‘mask’ now being touted.

I’ve been thinking about this site and it is great place to challenge, discuss, let off steam and hopefully force some change. At the risk of sounding pretentious I think one of it’s roles is also to bear witness. I think the spin on this will continue for years and it will be interesting to see what angle is taken years down the line when educating our children. We already know that stories used in the MSM to stoke fear have long since disappeared and are never retracted when proven false. Similarly, data will be rejigged, overwritten, re-categorised and re-contextualised so much that we’ll lose track of the data that was used at the time to drive key decisions. We’ll probably even get to a point where we sometimes think “Was it that bad after all?”. We need this site to show what really happened because it’s surprising how quickly you can forget.

Truly, the stories and data will suffer the fate of the seven commandments of the “Animal Farm”.

Four legs good, two legs better!

YOU ARE RIGHT.
WE ARE HERE TO BEAR WITNESS.

And to resist!

Yes, that’s absolutely correct.

The People’s History Museum should upload my contributions to their records for posterity.

Hear hear. Is the site backed up daily to a non-cloud secure place ?

I’ve printed it out because my floppy disk ran out of space. I’ll fax it to you if you like.

That’s a good point – I believe this site will prove to be an invaluable piece of history.

A little message to the virtual zoom school tours coming through here 200 years from now. Don’t believe the lies there was a time when people knew what free travel and a true natural human was. We were lucky because we enjoyed real pubs hundreds of years old. We saw and were those characters of Chaucer. We knew what it was like to pick up and go for adventures without needing government approval and permits.

You can choose your future – but you must fight for it. That is the unfortunate consequence of evil.

When you have freedom fighting to keep it is harder than fighting for it.

BBC: “Trowels in lay-bys for ‘urgent toilet breaks'” “Trowels are to be left in 90 lay-bys in part of the Highlands to help tackle problems with outdoor toileting…Last month, Western Isles local authority Comhairle nan Eilean Siar urged tourists travelling the islands in campervans to plan ahead for toilet breaks due to facilities still being closed because of the coronavirus pandemic.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-53734992

We have become a third world country and no-one (well, apart from us) is batting an eyelid. And, obviously, NOT because of the “coronavirus pandemic”: (a) it’s because of the lockdown (b) it is not severe enough to be defined as a pandemic.

But I don’t suppose there’s any chance that we would succeed in attempts to point these things out to the BBC.

Ugh ugh ugh.
Council should read that useful tome How to s..t in the woods.
Everybody else should avoid Highland lay-bys like the plague spots they obviously are.

Just wait for an outbreak of enteritis and water pollution.

We’re regressing backwards to the Victorian era with cholera and hepatitis A waiting in the wings.

Or maybe they could just open the toilets and employ extra cleaners to clean them everytime anyone uses them. Honestly it’s not hard to find a solution.

This is nothing new. Stopped at a lay-by months ago, before covid, to fix the lights on my trailer and was treated to an absolute stench of urine + an enormous pile of faeces. Nearly added a large amount of puke to the wonderful concoction.

Yes. Been there, felt my skin crawl too. Only fire makes areas like that feel clean and a few years rain. It’s a disgusting failure of infrastucture. Long drop out houses cost little and do you know actually improve things.

Are these shitty trowels going to be on a chain?

So. How do you tackle a shitty covid19 trowel?

The trowels of Scotland prove to the world covid19 is a hoax, or as near as damn it as makes no odds.

So we’re not allowed to touch toilet cistern handles and door handles but trowel handles are fine!

#BorisHasFailedTheUK is now trending on Twitter (just spotted this when checking Ethical Sceptic’s page), There are a lot of tweets with this tag and most of them, even those from obviously non-Conservative voters, are focusing their ire on the economic damage.

Maybe people really are starting to wake up now…

Would be nicer if it were #JohnsonandStarmerhavefailedtheUK, but at least it’s a start.

It’s not the beginning of the end, but it is perhaps the end of the beginning. Did someone once say something like that? Anyway, first get the responsible leadership figure out, then worry about witch hunting the rest of the criminals responsible for what has been done.

Apart from #kbf sceptics haven’t had much success in getting anything going with regards hashtags. But how about this one… #headsmustroll ?
Keeps it broadly critical so bedwetters can get involved too if they can muster up the courage

They’re going to have to hurry up but at least the economic consequences are starting to overtake the covid articles in the MSM.

I’d prefer #TheentirepoliticalandprofessionalclasshavefailedtheUK, but ok, it’ll do

Keir Starmer is basically Gary Lineker minus the crisp thefts. I find his constant tweeting of anodyne platitudes a complete turn-off. I actually think as a target for sceptics, he’d be easier to dislodge than Boris.

Oh no!
The words Starmer and Lineker in the same sentence. Do stop!
The virtue is so vigorously signalled by this pair of smug millionaires that I feel physically slapped about. It hurts …!!!

I shall have to go for a swift cold G&T in the garden…

Easier to dislodge in terms of convincing him over to our side? Not sure – you’d imagine a lot of his support base and fan club are lockdown, mask and safety zealots.

Every crank and nut job takes a pop at HM govt and the PM. Hell, let’s be honest, there are a few amongst our ranks. A few thousand negative comments is water off a ducks back to BoJo et al. The oh so sensitive leader of the opposition however will kneel on command.

We need a rethink.

Not a chance! Starmer is the new Blair and he is totally signed up to whatever is behind this.

I thought this week was Allotment Week but i was wrong.

The WHO says it’s “wear a mask week”

https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1291056191569887233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1291056191569887233%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.weforum.org%2Fplatforms%2Fcovid-action-platform%2Flive-updates%2F

here’s who is behind it:

The Pandemic Action Network, WHO, Africa CDC, CDC and CDC Foundation, ECDC, Facebook, Google, Global Citizen and 40+ partner organizations announced today the launch of World Mask Week, August 7-14, in an effort to increase the use of face coverings in public across the globe.

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/world-mask-week-wearamask-covid-19-pandemic/

https://pandemicactionnetwork.org/world-mask-week/ – same old names cropping up:

https://pandemicactionnetwork.org/about-us/our-partners/

Fuck ’em.

Preferably with something the size of a caber.

And no vaseline

There are so many people whose jobs this shit actually is.

I think that’s the takeaway from this. There’s a whole industry founded on, and now making squillions off the back of, global ’emergencies’. If it wasn’t for them this wouldn’t even BE a global ’emergency’. Nobody would even have noticed.

And we thought clapping was bad!

This is excellent

Simon Dolan :
Those ‘face coverings’ which ‘protect others’ by stopping droplets coming out? If the other person is wearing a ‘face covering’, how come that doesn’t stop the droplet coming in? Are home made face coverings using some sort of one way weave technology?

Andrew “They protect against bacteria” Elliott:
I’ve been telling people to wear two masks, the second on back to front, if they’re scared.

That way, I don’t have to

Twitter: https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1293525637723041794

Genuinely made this joke weeks back on these pages if you care to look! Logical isn’t it!

I was stood in a shady spot yesterday when a vast, masked couple waddled up & stopped by me. They proceeded to pull down their masks, pull out their fags & have a smoke. Fags finished, masks up & waddled off.

Sheesh!

Should have asked them to exhale with the masks on to illustrate just how effective they are (and to ‘protect’ you from 2nd hand smoke of course).

getting covids would SO get in their way of their smoking, way too risky to chance getting it.

A bloke walked our of Morrison’s yesterday, wearing a dust mask. Dust masks only protect the wearer – against dust! No doubt he felt very virtuous but he may have wondered why 2 unmuzzled old gimmers were giggling nearby.

That just crystallises this whole situation, together with the sheep’s reaction (and obedience) to it. F me sideways.

If you compare this section of Guy’s excellent article:

The most misused word of this crisis is ‘safety’. You hear it everywhere constantly, the endless promises that you’ll be ‘safe’ because of all sorts of nonsense like masks, miles of tape, and magic distancing. Yet in reality the total unpredictability the Government is presiding over has made us feel less safe than ever before. We now face the prospect of an endless series of knee-jerk panicked responses to any perceived uptick in cases, meaning that no community, household or business in this country knows whether or not there’ll be a sudden resumption of house arrest like in Melbourne. Nothing will cripple a nation or society more effectively. It makes any sort of planning or investment impossible. This has all been intended to create a sense that the Government is in charge but is beginning to have the opposite effect. Where is the strategy, the grand plan, the future? We are being governed by people whose vision and strategy no longer extends beyond the end of next week.

My response as I read it was that it’s obviously part of a grand plan, strategised by the infamous Nudge Unit. De Piffle, as the self-evidenced lying buffoon, is the perfect person to deliver it because people geniunely believe it’s mere incompetence – poor Boris, he nearly died, he isn’t well ….. He’s an expert liar, so he gets away with it among his deaf and blind followers. PoppyCock on the other hand is a very incompetent liar, so is generally less trusted but he has the ruthlessness to shamelessly carry on barefaced.

So, to follow that with the chilling account of the so-called “Health Passport” confirmed my deepest cynicism.

Everything that has happened has been announced beforehand but we fail to hear it. They even told us that the Nudge Unit was leading the strategy. Notice that the first official public announcement from the JBC was that many covid outbreaks are caused by mass hysteria: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/25/local-coronavirus-outbreaks-could-mass-hysteriajoint-biosecurity/

Strangely, the UK MSM didn’t pounce on that and it hasn’t been mentioned since, that I’m aware of. Instead, the hysteria has been channelled into 2nd waveitis, more testing and local mockdowns, all maintaining the fear and uncertainty. People consequently feel very unsafe and that makes them malleable – Nudge Unit successfully in action?

I can’t possibly accept the fact that this worldwide chaos is due to incompetence and panic, rather than calculated choreography.

Not sure myself which it is, but either way the men at the top are culpable.

I have to admit to feeling an immense sense of depression after reading the Health Passport article. Things just keep getting darker and more dire. I wish I knew how we can get out of this mess.

Do read this.
Read it to the very end. That’s vital.

http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/13429349

I don’t get it. A person gave another person at the end of their tether some money to help them. Most of us on here would do that, surely? And?

I don’t understand….

“ One thing she has saved is the mask that is still in its package .”

LOL! Even down and out former prostitutes have some common sense…

This was covered on today’s UKColumn, incredible. St John’s Ambulance advises that if you happen across a person who is unresponsive and not breathing, YOU SHOULD PUT A TOWEL OVER THEIR FACE!
THIS IS INSANITY!!!!
Check this out it will give you brain cancer.

https://www.sja.org.uk/get-advice/first-aid-advice/unresponsive-casualty/how-to-do-cpr-on-an-adult/?category=12274

Yep, that’s what we were told in 1st aid refresher training a few weeks ago as well.

Training school didn’t agree but had to teach it as it was orders from PHE amongst others.

Instructor asked “if you saw your mate at work collapsed on the floor and not breathing would you do normal CPR or follow these guidelines?”

Answer – after all the piss takes about kicking him to see if he was acting, riffling his pockets, leave him there may be H2S, call his wife to see if he was well insured and did she want to collect or not etc – was no, we would not follow these guidelines but we would do the old-fashioned CPR and take our chances with a mild flu like illness.

Sounds like waterboarding without the water.

That’s wearing a mask in hot temperatures. Although there is water. Your sweat.

ljk

TLDR

Oh dear just tried to post a comment and it didn’t like it, so posted a dummy one with just random letters and it was accepted … sorry … not sure why the original didn’t work.

Anyway, just been asked by a load of masked-up pensioners why I wasn’t wearing a mask and told them that no government is going to dictate how much oxygen I take in. I was told “good for you” which begs the question, why the hell were they wearing the damn things on the hottest day of the year ….

I hope when you said that, that they all took their masks off.

Er … no.

It’s the meek compliance that gets me. No critical thinking, no application of common sense just gormless unquestioning obedience.

Oh dear, can’t help some folk

And that is the *huge* problem we face.

“Good for you..”
is Oldie speak for,
“You smug little turd. Think you’re so clever don’t you? You’ll not make old bones at that rate. Now get out of my way….”

Those wrinklies know what’s what. They live on biscuits and milky tea and believe Piers Morgan is God.

You really shouldn’t do that, nearly spat out my tea reading that! Thanks for the laugh, god how I need that right now

Unfortunately they are far gone. I work with people like that and I’ve just given up.

Now, that’s funny.

Not going mad (though, perhaps I am …), see comment below for explanation of weird post ….

There’s an empty site near the top of my road; an eyesore for many years, but now it’s littered with discarded masks.

I’m seeing loads here. Had one left in my shop (yuk), it went in the bin. Still, must remember, they’re wearing them to keep us safe – yeah, right.

Loads of the wretched things here today. I don’t know how people manage it, it makes me feel anxious just seeing someone wear one in this heat.

Thought for today (or perhaps that should be “hope for today”).

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson comes to the conclusion he can best serve the nation by resigning. “I got it badly wrong” says a sorrowful premier. “I hope a forgiving nation will find it in their hearts to allow me to live out the rest of my days on Rockall, where I shan’t be able to lead people up the garden path ever again.”

Johnson’s resignation stuns the nation in to realising it is finally safe to come out from behind the sofa.

Could it ever happen?

He doesn’t strike me as the type.

Depends if Dom tells him to.

Prime Minister of Rockall resigns – accepts plan to eliminate avian flu by weighing down gulls’ wings with stones was “misguided”, leading as it did to mass starvation in the bird population.

Didn’t think Rockall had a Prime Minister…. Uninhabited rock in the middle of nowhere that can only be landed on from a helicopter. Whether it has the virus is irrelevant, no population to infet.
(yes, know you are joking)

Never. After all it is a ‘worldwide crisis’

Is it unacceptably old school for me to suggest passing him a bottle of whiskey and a loaded pistol?

Mind you, he’d probably spill the drink and miss with the bullet…

I’m sure it is in Dom’s contract that he (Dom) has the sole right to pass such items to Boris and that Boris must use them as directed.

Gruinard Island is uninhabited due to anthrax testing.

Couldn’t he go there instead?

Travelling today on LNER, I was reading my book when it dawned on me that someone was trying to attract my attention. “Excuse me… excuse me… mask…”
I looked up to see a young policeman fully kitted out in mask, walkie talkie, hi-viz flak jacket, etc.
Policeman: “Excuse me Madam can I ask you to put on your mask.”
Hoppy (looks a bit dazed, this hasn’t happened before, the trains have been unstaffed up to now).
Policeman, again, “Excuse me madam, can I ask you to put on your mask.”
Hoppy (remembering the law): “I’ve got an exemption.”
Policeman: “I see, and do you have a card or anything like that?”
Hoppy (a bit apologetically I confess): “No.”
Policeman: “And can I ask why you’re wearing a mask round your neck.”
Well this is a bit complex. Obviously, legally, I don’t have to wear one, due to distress, which is compounded of hot stifling weather, shame for my government, and also a low-grade version of Winston Smith having to confess that 2+2=5. But on the other hand, I know some people who’ve been genuinely quite scared by the Government’s publicity, especially pensioners. So if I saw a trembling old lady coming to sit opposite me, I’d put a mask on just out of courtesy, it would probably be her first time out and she’d be having to pluck up enough courage as it is.
However all this is quite hard to articulate, and while I was still sitting there, hopefully with a friendly expression, trying to sort out all these thoughts in my head and edit them into a form which wouldn’t make it sound as if I was trying to start a debate with the policeman, he clearly grew impatient, because he spoke again.
Policeman: “You’ve got a mask round your neck.”
Hoppy (reasonably confident that this is not yet a crime): “Yeah.”
And I can now report to LS that this monosyllable is all it takes! Because after ruminating for a few more moments, the copper moved off down the train! leaving me, I’m annoyed to say, rather shaken by even this tiny confrontation and with an increased respect for genuine dissidents like Solzhenitsyn etcetera.

Why should you need to prove you have an exemption anyway?!!

“ Policeman: “You’ve got a mask round your neck.”
Hoppy (reasonably confident that this is not yet a crime): “Yeah.”
And I can now report to LS that this monosyllable is all it takes! Because after ruminating for a few more moments, the copper moved off down the train !”

Excellent! Love the image that brings to mind.

Well done.

“ leaving me, I’m annoyed to say, rather shaken by even this tiny confrontation and with an increased respect for genuine dissidents like Solzhenitsyn etcetera .”

We Brits (I make an assumption there, obviously, and I mean it culturally in this case) have a self-image of being resistant to authority, but in reality we so rarely have to exercise it that it’s pretty atrophied. I think the government is in the process of retraining many of us.

Good job you weren’t in Melbourne, though….

My thoughts exactly! Why do we not see the sort of thing the gestapo stasi police get up to over there on the BBC?

The girls involved didn’t die, perhaps because they weren’t overweight drug abusing former armed robbers. If one of them had, though, would we see “mostly peaceful” riots all around the world in response?

i am sure you have forgotten one other important thing…. just cant put my finger on it at the moment

Just don’t wear one. Don’t even own one.

So proud of our Police,BTP I suppose Hoppy ?,on the frontline fighting the real criminals,the thought ones that is.
It makes me bloody sick,god forbid they might actually do some proper crime prevention on the railways.
Also,in my experience of LNER now,you would be quite lucky to find more than a couple of other passengers in your carriage nowadays.
No BTP,go back to hanging around railway offices drinking tea like usual,just leave us all alone.

Ireland doesn’t have a transport police (although are growing calls for one). Whenever I hear someone calling for one, I cite the BTP and their behaviour as an example of why Ireland should not have a transport police.

It better times when wars were wars and tunnocks tea cakes were tunnocks tea cakes they would dangle you by parachute into occupied Europe to bluff, gile and luck your way to victory! Well done. Regulation hip flask required for future travel!

https://thecritic.co.uk/normal-cervix-resumes/

Not strictly relevant but I like this column

Just for fun – see if you can find anyone in education anywhere who can explain to you what happens with England A Level release tomorrow.
Ahh, the good times roll on.
As a matter of interest, does anyone remember the last definitive decision, challenged and defended, made in the U.K.???

This is what we were told, but now it has apparently all changed, so —there is no-one who knows!

‘Much of what will happen on those days is the same as every year, but a great many things are different too and you and your parents or carers may have questions about how grades have been determined.
In simple terms, your grades will reflect the professional judgement of your teachers, with potentially some adjustments made by exam boards to ensure there is a level playing field across all schools and colleges.
This is a novel way of awarding grades, but it has been carefully thought through with lots of safeguards baked in.
For example, it would have been understandable if some teachers had given the benefit of the doubt to some of their students in the circumstances, but this would not have been fair to other students.
So school and college heads had to review and sign-off the grades provided by subject teachers before they were submitted to exam boards. And then the exam boards used data about how students in the school had performed in previous tests, and how the school had generally performed in GCSEs and A-levels in the past to decide whether the grades submitted looked too generous or too harsh.
This means the grades awarded this summer are the fairest possible in the circumstances.’

Yes Judith, but at least in Scotland we know the outcome – opportunistic schools cheated to try unfairly improve their students grades because they knew the process, and put in results 15% better than they should have, then gave their kids these unrealistic expectations. Those schools created this disaster but want the government to fix it. Bottom line – complete discrediting of all 2020 results.

I agree. Any feeling about how the pupils feel today? The spotlight has gone from them now. It would be good to sense how pupils are feeling as a general consensus.

The students made 1/2 a case and yelled their heads off, got media coverage, and won… can we do the same with lockdown/masks??

Everything is proceeding just as I have foreseen.
I mean, why is the only issue this govt is not flip flopping on clearly their most incorrect – lockdown measures and face masks?? The A Levels thing is an embarrassing fiasco, humiliating to behold! I’m not even British and it’s embarrassing me

Petition to End lockdown to prevent further economic damage :
UK economy has shrunk by 22% since March according to ONS. Can we get this petition moving, its growth seems very slow:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/315979

Just signed it.

I’ve signed it but to be fair the damage is already done, I don’t know how much more damage they can actually do, it’s a complete train crash. Why the heck no one says anything I have no idea. Complete incompetence, they knew about it in Jan/Feb, could have got the NHS ready, even Nightingale hospitals in those months, no need to shutdown at all. The worst government the UK has ever known. A shameful disgrace.

Losing track of all these petitions. Another one where I tried to sign but it came back with ‘duplicate signature’

Plus worst opposition and worst assorted others. No difference between any of ’em. Shite.

Just seen a young woman carrying her mask fastened to her elbow. Ingenious…but
of course elbows must pick ip a nice range of pathogens from arm rests, table tops, cramped toilet cubicles and the like. She’d be safer with no masks.

Saw someone driving with their mask hanging from the rear view mirror, a lucky talisman or maybe drying in the sun.

If she was in a ‘relevant place’ and didn’t have a ‘reasonable excuse’, she was breaking the law. I’ll get my coat…

Guy de la Bédoyère’s latest essay is indeed a good one.
As to the tension between ‘conspiracy’ and ‘cock-up’ : I don’t think it’s a choice.

Get rid of the suspect term ‘conspiracy’ and substitute ‘network of interests’, and the concept becomes more mundane and comprehensible.

It seems pretty clear to me that, given the linguistic amendment, both mechanisms operate in lockstep to produce the anti-social mess that surrounds us.

Money from vaccines and big data/technology works seamlessly with politicians who don’t know whether it’s shit, shave or breakfast time when it comes to assessing real evidence.

“ Get rid of the suspect term ‘conspiracy’ and substitute ‘network of interests’”

Very well put

We get the politicians we deserve, everywhere and always, and never more so than now.

This entire saga has exposed the woeful state of human consciousness, particularly in the “developed” nations, and is reflecting our collective inadequacies back at us. Not very pretty I’m afraid.

Forget all our scientific and technological advances, if we continue along the current trajectory it will be one of the lowest ebbs in human civilisation in the last 6,000 years.

Yes, the wilful throwing away of progress, freedom, happiness and prosperity for no good reason

I would just amend that to “We get the politicians the majority deserve”.

Sorry, can I just pick you up on ‘the majority’ – with the first by the post system routinely, because of the plethora of parties, in any constituency more people vote against the winner than for him/her. This is why, as has been posted elsewhere on this forum, we do not have a democracy, we have an elected dictatorship.

Idiocracy is looking more and more like a documentary every day.

I am having a discussion on Mumsnet education section about new year university arrangements. My daughter will have up to 2 hours of face to face tuition a week although her course is a science subject with a language.
I am not happy about it and asked about other universities.
A few people who work for universities replied saying they are scared to come to work and she is lucky to have 2 hours as most of them want to keep working online. Also they said that if universities open for more hours the second wave will come and kill them.
I said that average Covid death age is about 80 and fatalities numbers have been exaggerated. Nobody believes me.
Could someone post links to these 2 facts, please. I want them to read that.

Will this do?

Revealed: Average age of Covid-19 victims is OLDER than life expectancy in Scotland as stark figures show ‘it is predominantly a disease that strikes the elderly’
“ For the UK as a whole, the median age of coronavirus victims is the same as in Scotland. But general life expectancy is slightly higher on average in the other home nations — 82-and-a-half for men and 85 for women .  “

Just go on the ONS website and look at the updates or inproportion2 which has lots of nice easy to understand graphs.

http://inproportion2.talkigy.com

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths

These 2 sites are probably the best for finding graphs and info to give to the hard of thinking.

Swiss propaganda and others will be just a good but a lot more technical.

Or just spend a hour trolling through links on previous day’s pages, lots on them.

And for the other one:

Official UK daily coronavirus death toll could be SCRAPPED after row over PHE ‘exaggerating’ the tally by blaming it for all deaths from people who have caught it
(Awkward Git is obviously right if you are looking for considered research on the topic, but I’m working on the assumption you just want some recent mainstream media backup. If they are lefties they might get snobby about it being the Daily Mail, but just point them to the sources being reported, or tell them they can probably find the same stories in other papers).

Gosh, one wonders what the point is of sending someone to a university with such scaredy cats teaching them!

Agree, I’d recommend doing an apprenticeship and go for the degree online while earning money and getting experience.

Worked for 2 of mine and they are doing better than every one of their mates who went to uni.

I agree. My younger daughter has decided not to go to university.

My thoughts exactly.

I am afraid you are asking advice from a predominantly metropolitan ‘progressive’, largely south-east based clientele. They are likely to be lockdown zealots, irrespective of their professional status. The lecturers are also likely to be back on strike over pensions before long, so they have given up all pretense of getting back to normal. My son is going into year 2 of a high profile course at a leading university and has just been told, despite assurances before he signed up for an expensive flat share, there will be no tutorials, seminars or lectures aside from those online, before Christmas. They had already cancelled all formal examinations throughout the second year.

My guess is that many lecturers are soon to be sacked. They have all loaded their lecture slides and notes to online portals, and as the census day (deadline for when you have to be in post) for REF 2021 has now passed, there is no monetary value in any lecturer’s research that has not already been captured by the employer institution. They need to prepare for mass redundancies.

My daughter is also in one of the best universities in the country.
I hope many foreign students don’t come and there will be redundancies.
I also hope some universities will close. We have too many.
I told my daughter that I am not paying for an expensive flat share and she can commute. She didn’t like it though.

Agree completely, but as we will find out tomorrow, and as per Scotland, there must be prizes for all to keep the Vice Chancellor and the admin blob around him/her in the style they are accustomed to.

Unfortunately, we are just too far for him to commute, but you are right to tell her to commute if it is at all possible.

The students have been treated shockingly badly throughout this. At the very least the student loan interest rate could have been reduced to Bank rate.

My daughter can commute easily.

Last year there was a petition from students who wanted a refund because of strikes and lockdown. I listened to the discussion of it in parliament. The students put their points across brilliantly but university staff just kept saying “We work really hard and provide good education online”.
They may be working hard but the quality of online education is still poor.

University staff who don’t know how to examine the evidence! God help us. And God help your daughter. Does she really want to be “taught” by such people? Might I suggest your daughter seriously considers abandoning university and gets herself a training in one of the trades, where she will get herself a job for life, will avoid “woke” obsessives, will get a grounding in real life, will avoid a massive debt, and will discover, from my experience, that she is surrounded by colleagues who have realised that this covid panic is a crock of shit and are trying to lead normal lives.

Unfortunately standards are getting lower and lower. I think there needs to be a culling of universities and lecturers – too many of them.

And young people should be encouraged to get a trade or go into apprenticeships – earn while you learn. If they want to go to uni, then its something they can do later when they’re older, wiser and are going for the love of learning and not simply for the sake of it.

I completely agree. That’s what I am telling my other daughter who is going into Y13. She will not be applying to university.

Agreed the days of mass university education and massive student debt are surely coming to an end after the disgraceful way that university students (even at top unis) have been treated.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/ons-registered-deaths-in-england-and-wales-week-ending-27th-july/

ONS Registered Deaths in England and Wales – Week ending 27th July
August 4, 2020

There were 217 deaths registered with COVID, but only 167 actually occurred in week 30 (an average of 24 a day).

These 167 registered deaths in week 30 equate to one registered death for every 353,987 people in England and Wales – roughly 3 deaths per million population.

In over 85s, those most at risk, COVID deaths continue to fall – 71 people died in week 30 – approximately 49 deaths per million in over 85s). This is a substantial reduction (98% fewer) than the peak in registered deaths in week 16 when 3,435 deaths occurred in over 85s occurred (approx 2,400 per million).

Of note, some deaths will not be related to active viral infection, and COVID will not be the immediate cause for all of them. Individuals could have tested positive some time ago and died from complications or from another cause and will, therefore, still have COVID on their death certificate as an underlying cause

There were no deaths in children under 14 for week 30. The last death was in week 23 (week ending 5th June) for this age group. In children aged 1 to 14 there have been five COVID deaths in the total outbreak this year – a very low risk – approximately one registered death for every 2 million children aged 1-14 (population estimate for this age band 10,004,735).

Table. Death Occurences in the week ending 27th July (week 30) and the population required for one death to occur

Age bands number of deaths 1 death per population
Under 1 year 0 none
Age 01-14 0 none
Age 15-44 3 7,482,638
Age 45-64 10 1,516,212
Age 65-74 28 210,962
Age 75-84 55 63,217
Age 85+ 71 20,386
Total 167. 353,987

The 167 registered deaths that occurred in week 30 do not match the Public Health England data, which reported 442 deaths in England alone for the week to the 24th of July. Given the inaccuracies in the PHE data set, it should be discontinued.

The page also has graphs, and the site has a lot more evidence-based data.
https://www.cebm.net/oxford-covid-19-evidence-service/

https://wintoncentre.maths.cam.ac.uk/coronavirus/covid-19-resources-make-sense-numbers-test/how-have-covid-19-fatalities-compared-other-causes-death/
This chart has some great data, it’s from Cambridge university, also look at the Cambridge centre for evidence based medicine, there’s so much. Oddly, what’s hard to find is hard data backing up the status quo argument.

For what it’s worth, at my place the union branch argued hard for a full return to normal on-campus teaching. There is sceptical opinion among academic staff.

he Public Health England publish a report every Thursday evening, with lots of graphs which are not interesting, but since it began, very clearly states that most “infections” are in Care homes and that most people with a positive test are over 80. Very easy to find on the PHE website.

Paul Krugman is total joke i can’t believe you’d quote him

The panicky decision to call the lockdown and, it would appear, his lack of awareness about the impact on the economy suggests that he is not up to the job. To initiate project fear when he must have been told that a vaccine was a long way off and then to try and alleviate the fear with masks shows poor judgement.

There isn’t going to be a vaccine that actually achieves what they want it to achieve because, even if it actually works not enough people will take it for it to work.

With it being A Level results tomorrow perhaps the Cabinet should be awarded their grades and awards based on their performance so far:

Rishi Sunack – The Acapulco Award for Economic Cliff Diving
Matt Hancock – The Herod Prize for helping to solve the accommodation crisis in care homes
Priti Patel – The Captain Webb Prize for her support for channel crossers
Gavin Williamson – The Frank Spencer Prize for effortless incompetence
Boris Johnson – The White Feather Trophy for throwing in the Swedish Towel

International Team Prize for bungling incompetence.

Excellent!

Don’t forget:

Neil Ferguson – The Book of Revelation Award for his apocalyptic computer modelling that would put St John to shame.

Sorry if this has been posted before, but it is an excellent video and explains the limitations of the PCR test. In German with English subtitles. Howard Steen’s reply to a post by Carl Henegan
https://twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1293533126229139468

Oh dear, the top heavy and suspiciously intrusive UK test n trace system is getting into its stride, full of the usual management speak blether:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/developing-nhs-test-and-trace-business-plan/breaking-chains-of-covid-19-transmission-to-help-people-return-to-more-normal-lives-developing-the-nhs-test-and-trace-service#building-a-trusted-test-and-trace-service-with-and-for-the-citizens-who-use-it
(According to a press report today, operatives have so far failed to contact more than 10 people each per week. Yet the Serco contract, for first contact low level tracing only, cost £108M, is up for renewal on 23 August, could extend for another period, est cost £410M. )
I know nothing about organising a proportionate ( cost to threat) system in today’s world. But the Edinburgh GP 5 year study, 2005-11, to test flu incidence and asymptomatic rates etc seemed about right. Where’s the project management, what are the expected benefits to be realised, KPIs for this juggernaut?
AG, what’s the quickest way of winkling the costings out of government which support of the figures released to the press?
How can we stop it? Or, if it’s so ultra necessary, have an effective smaller sampling scheme via GP surgeries instead?

Serco CEO is Rupert Soames, brother of Nicholas Soames, and grandson of Winston Churchill – enough said!

Rupert not direct descendant of Churchill?

You can look on the Government’s various contracts websites, there are a few and different departments run individual ones and there’s a central one as well.

These tells you the contract cost – either to bid or awarded.

I’ve deleted the links I had from a while back – I got one from a friend about PPE contracts for the Shrewsbury and Telford hospitals.

Apparently at the height of the pandemic in April they issued a contract for masks that worked out at 23 masks per hospital per day for the contract duration but the mask they specified was not available from their preferred contractor – ha ha ah – and searching the internet for it t tand been done away with.

We both thought this was done deliberately so they could turn round and say “look no PPE available, fucking central government again” when each health authority is responsible for it’s own PPE, not whitehall.

I know the DHSC has a contract’s site as its as on here about the vaccine doses being bought, management contracts for that contract and so on.

This is a central NHS contracts site as an example:

https://www.supplychain.nhs.uk/product-information/contract-launch-briefs/

Try on here:

https://www.gov.uk/contracts-finder

Just found it again.

Thanks!

The flu survey was in theory a different thing. T&T isn’t supposed to involve sampling or be a survey, it’s supposed to find everyone infected and their contacts, or at least about half them, depending on whatever the fashionable mythology is.

That’s why they base everything on absolute numbers of cases rather than positive ratios. According to the story we’re supposed to believe, those basically are all the infections because they’re supposed to be tracking them all.

Actually with their positive rate 10x higher than the ONS, if you treat it as a random sample, they’re finding about 600 out of 30,000 new infections per day I think the ONS figure of 3000 new infections per day is reasonable, the T&T sampling is fairly random, and their test specificity is about 99.5%. It is in fact a survey, but the ONS one, which we already have (and which probably cost much less as well), is much better.

On these assumptions they’re probably only finding about 1% of the actual infections (and half their contacts). But I really want to know how many of the positives they’re finding are asymptomatic to get a better estimate of the specificity (if it’s much higher than the ONS 60% it implies their test is less specific). The ratio of symptomatic negatives would also be very informative about selection bias in the testing, because that’s the alternative explanation for why they’re finding a higher positive rate.

Iceland managed to quarantine about half of contacts and kept things at 10 dead out of 300k population without a lockdown ( https://www.covid.is/data ). That’s the proof that it is possible. But they were doing it during the actual epidemic where it has much more impact and is less skewed by the false positive rate.

Many thanks! I can see it will be interesting to know those things. wondering if it’s worth £400M to find out, in present circs, for just one of a number of respiratory viruses in circulation? Or might it be extended to others?
I don’t see that people will be honest about their contacts, either, like they are with AIDs as it was a killer; so you have to have the tracking by app, and that is also a bridge too far for me, hate the idea that we are so tracked already!

The ONS Covid-19 Infection Survey is much better quality data. I think they might call that “Pillar 5” or something. I doubt that it costs very much either.

To do it properly it has to be random (which ONS is) and it makes a lot of sense to ask about symptoms and report on that as well. Then you don’t need all that big a sample. 25,000 is OK.

The ONS are doing a great job. I think it would be really interesting to test for the other viruses as well using the same samples. Would not add much cost and we could learn a lot from it.

ONS do report that of those with Covid symptoms only 10% are actually positive. Encouraging sign that we have a high level of herd immunity to Covid. But would be good to know what the other viruses going around are.

The T&T stuff looks much more characteristic of knee-jerk government incompetence and poor value for money.

Yes, AIDs, deadly, around since 1986ish, absolutely why not try to eradicate that first, attacks the young by definition.
The poor VFM of T&T looks attackable. And the vagueness round the role and objectives of the Joint Biosecurity Centre raises my hackles. I’m so reassured by the idea that this whole edifice will be encouraging ‘left field thinking’, ‘innovation sprints’ and other gobbledegook.

Speaking of AIDS it is an infinitely better candidate for eradication through contact tracing. You’re much more likely to remember the contacts since you have to share rather more with them than a bus ride, and the virus is much more deadly. And yet we never have. And idiots like Sturgeon talk about “Zero Covid”.

An excellent tweet from Carl Heneghan on PCR testing. https://twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1293533126229139468
It is so reassuring to have a high level technical professional on the sceptics side.

I am just starting to develop a bit of optimism that the Germans might just come to mankind’s rescue and call a halt to all this madness.

This is a “must watch” for those wanting to get up to speed on the basics of PCR testing, and why it is so flawed as a diagnostic tool, leading to these meaningless figure, which in turn are used to justify nonsense measures.

In fact, this whole medicine-based shambles is almost a simulacrum of the misuse of PCR – a reckless chain of supposition.

I was meant to be taking some time out from everything and taking a holiday, but after the awful experience arriving I feel I need to come back and just let it out before putting it all to the back of my mind. Travelling from UK to Portugal, expected worse in the airport, wearing a mask basically under my nose, falling down every so often, made friends with a few behind doing the same. Sadly a majority going along with it but on the plus side distancing was pretty much non existent and security and the rest of the time was very efficient and not bad. But then we get to the plane. Immediately hostile EasyJet attendant barking at me to put my mask up properly. They then had an argument with some.one without a mask exempt letter, who eventually gave in but hopefully will be going straight to complaints and possibly court. Very unpleasant 2 hours with it on, much drinking and eating to deal with it. In the airport the other side no staff made anything of a mask half off. Police in visors and nothing else, something told me they really couldn’t care less. And then the second worst part was supermarket shopping. All the signs like in the UK, masks compulsory, stand 2 metres, shop only as long as necessary, don’t touch your face sanitsise yada yada. 99.99% compliance, and proper compliance too, everyone wearing masks correctly, none like in Britain just going along with it for the ease. It seems they genuinely all believe it protects them, as such no leaping out of the way, people very happy to invade personal space, even elderly. This was a slight improvement, as was no security to queue up outside, however obviously the preference is no masks and no distancing. Had to get out of the shop quickly after I popped the mask under my nose for all of 30 seconds and a woman came and scolded me and told me to put it on properly. Obviously the Portuguese government has succeeded in turning the country into its own self governing state of semi bedwetters who think that a mask makes them invincible. Anyway, off to enjoy the sun now and hopefully forget about the troubles the world is in. With any luck won’t have to go out for a few days, except maybe venture to the beach in the hope that people aren’t masked up there, if so…..

It’s a very religious country. The more religious, the more terrified of dying and the more likely they are to do anything that will delay them going to hell.

Which seems odd given the Catholics and other Christians in my family are totally opposed to everything, fully signed up lockdown sceptics!

Good for them. It was a generalisation and there are obviously going to be a lot of exceptions. Maybe your family happen to think they are going to heaven.

They comply as they are scared of their federal (central) police and the violence the police resort to very quickly with full backing of those in power and the corrupt courts. Think Spain Italy, Australia, most of South America.

It wasn’t that long ago Franco and Mussolini were in power and it is still remembered.

Although it is diminishing rapidly England’s Police are still pretty much civilians with extra powers and we are not that scared of them, apprehensive maybe but not scared, and our justice system is reasonably OK all things considered compared to most and better at giving you a fair trail and shake at the stick than most round the world for all it’s faults.

I’m fed up with this.

More fear porn from the BBC on the LIES about testing/cases/surges.

How do they get away with this?

They are presenting the last dregs of deaths from the illness as the start of a new wave.

Picture yourself years from now sifting CVs of applicants. BBC journalist. It thins the pile of CVs automatically. Helpful, fast, no effort. Bin.

Government propaganda stenographers. Just doing their job.

The latest mask fabric is virus sized.
All you have to do is drape a piece of knicker elastic over each ear, then tell bedwetters the mesh is very fine to catch viruses and you have to be very intelligent to see it.
( Sort of like the emperors new clothes)

I like this.

I’m going to try something similar

approaches shop unmuzzled…

…basket of muzzles thrusts into view

“would you like a mask sir?”

“no thanks!”

points finger to mouth / nose…

“this one’s just fine! only just put it on!”

A string vest?

A g-string.

But not this https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8613161/John-McAfee-claims-hes-arrested-Norway-wearing-lacy-THONG-face-instead-mask.html

I’m sure he’s cia.

One thing I’m wondering. Why is Putin going along with this?

You can be pretty sure that their new vaccine is a placebo. Maybe our government had that hissy fit a few weeks back because Russians were hacking virus research to find out if all the other vaccines were a fraud too.

Perhaps he thought it was easier than trying to convince his people that they should move on with life

To keep on good terms with China is my guess.

Trolling?

I think we’re at the stage where a large section of the population would believe you if you said the vaccine could be delivered by app:-

“Hi I’m vaxy,do you want to be safe? Hold the short end of the phone where the microphone is to your wrist and click the “Vaccinate me now!” button….[phone vibrates]…Congratulations you have been vaccinated and can now remove your mask! Would you like to set a reminder for your 6 month booster?”

I’ve wondered that also, because early on I hoped he would go the way of Bolsonaro and Lukashenko, but instead he and Russia went full coronaphobia. A real shame.

One possibility is that he simply fell for the fear, like so many other senior politicians and power figures around the world. He’s a human being, and just another political leader (albeit an unusually competent one), not an evil genius.

Putin is going along with it but Russian people are not.
They are not having this vaccine. Although masks are mandated in some big cities on public transport and in big shops not many people actually wear them.
Nobody is going to tolerate any lockdown and everything is now opened. Even theatres and cinemas.
And the media in Russia are not talking about a second wave.

The land where Covid Zero is the doctrine currently infecting the terminal decline of the economy has a recovery plan. Unemployment at a rising 4.5%, higher than the rest of the UK, Scotlands recovery plan is for fairer jobs and well-being, may be a little green too.

Definition of what ‘well-being’ is famously unknown (and therefore shiftable by rhetoric of the day).

Fairer jobs. Cuckoo, and what?

£50million pounds is being spent to engender a green recovery (equally shiftable).

And so £10 per head of population spent on recovering the job market. Thank god for the government recovery plan.

We are having a… trumpets and fanfare … “well-being economy”.

Get used to it, it has been chosen for us.

Huh well being…that’s a bit rich from these psychopaths that have done more to turn us into a nation of psychotic hypochondriac and lockdown lunatics that surpasses any expectations they must have had of their capabilities back in March…..They have done more to DESTROY people’s mental health en-mass that anything short warfare.

4000 travel SME businesses in severe financial distress. 1% of 520,000 SMEs in distress across all sectors!

https://www.travolution.com/articles/116411/begbies-traynor-report-raises-red-flag-for-uk-travel-and-tourism-start-ups

Don’t Live Your Life in a Bubble

A letter to the Younger Generations:

https://www.aier.org/article/dont-live-your-life-in-a-bubble/

Fantastic rallying cry for my generation. I really want to do something to help end this madness but I feel like I have no platform. Right now, small individual acts – going maskless, leading life as normal, socialising with people, weighing up individual risk, and seeding sceptical views in those who may be wavering – seems like the best way to effect change.

If you are confident to do so, I would share that as much as possible. It does not come across as ‘Conspiracy Theory’ and is a well written piece,

That’s already a lot. More than what most are doing.
Your actions will spread.

The unfortunate thing is: for most part, the generation to which that letter is addressed can only process information 140–280 characters at a time, there are exceptions, but rear.

Nail. Head. Impact.

got a reply before I could edit, so might be rear, but definitely rare

Just read this article, probably the most articulate summing-up of the whole political/social mess as well as the facts about the virus, that I’ve read so far. Definitely worth sharing to as many people as possible.

I really hope that if anything good comes of all this it will be that people are more aware and less tolerant of political and media corruption and incompetence. It’s something that up to now everyone’s just tolerated as an inescapable feature of modern society, unless it personally affects their life. Now it affects everyone!

AIER have had some very good articles lately. In particular this one
https://www.aier.org/article/fact-checking-fauci/
does a very good job of refuting the current official US narrative on lockdowns and rising cases, contrasting it to the actual facts and statistics.

What a great article and one for everyone whatever age you are.

Another excellent piece from AIER, one of my favourite sources lately. Strangely I thought I was fairly risk-averse but compared to the flock of doomers all whimpering behind their sofas over a demographic-relative cold, I now may as well be a crazy aldrenaline junkie!

At last we have a voice in Parliament.

https://twitter.com/JamesSunderl/status/1293529871214354433

Yes, probably the strongest statement yet by any MP. Let’s hope there are a few others who share his views who will now be encouraged to join him.

I hope that this gives some of the other MPs who have been keeping quiet the courage to stand up, surely they are not all spineless jellyfish

I suppose this makes.him the least moronic MP.

Gee, who would have thought that locking people in their homes and shutting down the economy would have had a terrible economic impact. We needed to actually go through with the experiment for these idiots to realise it was going to cause problems?

Good for him that he’s realised they’ve screwed up. Now he can resign. The whole lot of them need to resign and call an election so we can get a new lot in. This current lot is completely compromised.

I’m so chuffed one of them has spoken, I had to congratulate him:

https://twitter.com/RobertJ62035232/status/1293610758656360448

Common sense for youngsters, top tip No 71:

‘……the big important question is: what are you actually trying to do and what are you doing to achieve it?

If the answer is ‘Protect Society’ and the method is ‘Destroy Society’ then you probably are doing it wrong.’

X-Files Season 7, Episode 21 “Je Souhaite:” Mulder asks genie for peace on Earth, didn’t quite turn out how he expected…

Common sense for youngsters, top tip No 395

‘If most people suffering severe symptoms from covid 19 are immunocompromised, at least consider it possible that a lot of jolly nice other people may very well be immune’

So after being up until 04:30 this morning mopping out the house after last night’s storm over Edinburgh I had the need to visit Sainsbury’s and home store & more later this morning. Breezed through Sainsbury’s maskless sad to report 95% customer maskage, few stares but I was enjoying the freedom and being as tired and pissed off as I am I wasn’t in the mood for any confrontation. Man on the till was a miserable twat but he was fully masked on a very warm day.

Next stop home stores & more for mops.

‘Welcome sir, we have a 1 way system throughout the shop’

‘good for you’ off I ambled.

“Sir sir, can you sanitise your hands, we have a sanitiser here’

‘I’m allergic’ off I went smiling, they really don’t know how to respond to non conformists and she was clearly stumped.

I was enjoying myself so much I popped into PC world and bought a pair of headphones, in and out like a sour plum.

Barring the real bedwetters with full glovage and maskage everyone masks up going in and as soon as they leave the shop take them off or are fiddling with them constantly. Woman in front of me was clearly suffering as she pulled it away from he face to take a breath.

Oh and our wonderful landlord visited early this morning and this afternoon to survey the damage, no masks no talk of impending covid doom, no problems, nice adult face to face conversation.

Good for you is a great response to somebody telling you they have some bullshit system in place.

Twisted her melon as I didn’t fawn over her and the store providing a completely safe environment from a virus that follows the highway code.

Good for you for stumping the person at the door. Bet he was so used to people just meekly complying that he didn’t know how to react when you said that you’re allergic.

Dunno if this has been posted elsewhere, sorry if it has. It seems the tyranny is spreading
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgxBWzwyRpDUEta9g9J4AaABCQ

can you check that link?

worked for me.. goes to an Anna Brees you tube showing a quarantine pass.

OK thanks – I’ll try again

I don’t understand why so many people are complaining about having to wear masks, say how stupid the logic (and law is) and then ask why the government is doing this. It’s deliberate mind control, it’s nothing to do with health or with safety.

I believe there is a globalist agenda led by the WEF (aka Davos) which includes, of course, Big Pharma. They stand to make millions, perhaps trillions of dollars from a global vaccine programme. But the virus is dying too soon, so they have to keep up the fear and keep us subdued and compliant, hence the mask edicts (mind control). The masks, like the scaremongering, social distancing and clapping is a sophisticated system of mind control. We are being conditioned to accept more and more authority and less and less civil liberties. It may have started as a virus and public health thing, but it’s no longer about that. It’s about central government control.

I think Johnson is being manipulated. He and his Ministers are too naive and stupid to come up with a plot like this. I hear people say that they are disappointed in BoJo and expected him to have a pair of balls. He never, ever did. He’s an empty vessel, a very good example of politicians controlled by the State, Civil Service etc. May, Cameron and Major are other good examples of puppets, but Boris is in a class of his own.

God help us.

Like David Icke has said, the WEF/Davos/Bill Gates folks are the psychopaths running the show and the politicians are simply useful idiots. There’s no way hapless politicians could have, in coordination, trashed the world economy and locked down billions of people at the same time. Once the fear took over in both the politicians and the public, and any death was not to be tolerated, the globalist agenda could be advanced. It’s insidious and evil.

Yes I would go along with all you say and of course it is clear that we the public are now in very deep trouble, as the government continues an outright war of attrition against us.

As for Boris he is in a class of his own and he must be the globalist cabal’s dream PM, playing the incompetent buffoon, so as to distract the public gaze from the totalitarian state that is being rolled out under our very noses. I would repeat that we are in very deep trouble, that cannot be said too often.

There’s only so many cock ups, that can be just about tolerated, before we ought to get suspicious. It is now well past the time to ask loudly, whether the all too obvious appearance of a government in total disarray, is actually the intention of Boris and his team of misfits and chancers.

The ploy of deliberate gross incompetence would serve to distract attention away from the very sinister side of what’s going on with Covid-19. Under the radar all the trappings of a totalitarian state are now being methodically put into place.

We are being played, on the grand scale by a government, that is cynically playing the fool.

No one is this incompetent

Putting my support behind what Rowan and mr Palmer say.

Just completely out of depth in a bottomless sea? I think the whole machinery is falling apart and like Humpty Dumpty can’t be put together again in any meaningful way. I have fallen out of sync with my country and cannot see a way back. Have you noticed that the PM is absent from much of daily MSM? What is he doing? Does anyone know?

I don’t think you have quite got the message.

Hum. Trying to maintain optimisim that not all is totally f***d. Hard given the evidence.

If asked “why no mask?” The best response seems to be, “there are exemptions, you know!” If you feel uncomfortable making a false claim this allows your questioner to infer rather than you imply an exemption, seems to be foolproof.

I like it. Even if you have a genuine exemption there is no need to give any detail though – if it’s health related it’s between you and your doctor, full stop.

DavidC

Every ‘exemption’ is ‘genuine’. Wearing a mask is definitely distressing and creates observable harm.

Exactly. The govt exemption guidelines are so broad that they basically apply to everyone.

If you feel that a mask would affect your well being then you should simply exempt yourself from participating in this senseless ritual.

Do we have doctors anymore?

There is an official government card to print off. It is free and you don’t need a doctors note.

If plod asks, just say “this is the official exemption card. I was told by the doctor to print one off for health reasons”. Technically as long as a doctor on here (or elsewhere) has suggested it then it is 100% the truth.

If the person asking is not satisfied you could remind them, that they are not entitled to know anything more than that and that discriminating against someone with a disability is very likely to be an offence in law. That being said, I have yet to be questioned by anyone on my regular unmasked trips to several different supermarkets.

The worst I get is pointed stares. To which I reply with a smile and sometimes a thumbs up. Thumbs up reserved for the most dedicated Karens, who you can identify from the way they hover whilst giving the pointed stare. These people don’t shrink from contact as you would expect a genuinely scared person to – they actually prolong it in order to shame you. The thumbs up sends them into a rage that even their face nap can’t hide. It’s beautiful.

Have a feeling it would be a lot worse on buses and trains. Hence I’ve been avoiding them.

We’ve been on an occasional bus. We have had a couple of stares but no worse and, like you, we just smile at them. I might add a thumbs up next time!

Tell them to get well soon.

Went on my first buses today and no one batted an eyelid, including the drivers. On one journey there was another muzzle-free passenger present. Been on loads of trains. Only on one occasion I have had anyone say anything and that where people were worried I’d be caught by the cameras. I educated them and they all turned out to be really fucked off with it all too and one of them took her mask off and bagged it.

Today was my second day with exemption card in hand. My normal bus is usually almost empty. Today there were four passengers, including me. Another woman was maskfree, no exemption card in sight. A second I’ve seen before. She used to carry a scarf and cover with that, but today she was sitting uncovered with a mask in her hand. Yet another woman boarded, exemption paper in hand. Finally, a masked man boarded. Once he saw four women without masks, he slipped his down while he was sitting.

Truly amazing to be sitting on an almost normal bus. The driver wasn’t masked either.

I hope you smile beatifically above your raised thumbs. That has been known to make the Karens actually combust.

And, still smiling, mouth the words…’I love oxygen…’ as they slide to the floor….

I think my smile is more demonic but yes, I try to look as shit-eatingly smug as possible.

Tesco said I have to bring in proof of why I’m exempt next time I go. I haven’t been back since as I don’t want to give them any money.

However, while writing this just now I’ve just decided I’ll go in and walk around for a bit without buying anything!

I don’t think they can do and demand that, yet.

They are wrong http://www.laworfiction.com/2020/07/face-covering-litigation-threats-and-administrative-headache/

You do not need to provide proof, nor do you have to explain what your exemption is. Not even to a police officer – they can ‘direct you to wear a face covering’ or ‘direct you to leave the shop’. There is no mention in the law about explaining or proving, only that there are exemptions.

I agree. Tesco is wrong. No proof or explanation required.

The official information is quite a ways down this page: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own

Glad I’m not ordering online from Tesco. Haven’t set foot in a shop since masks were made mandatory.

That action needs a swift email to Tesco customer services, reminding them of your rights, and the penalties they face.

Got questioned the first time by the shop clerk.
I said I was exempt.
He asked why?
I said, that’s none of your business.
He said, I am just asking in case someone else asks why you don’t wear a mask.
I said, that’s none of their business either.
Study the regulations.

Or be sarky: “Your powers of observation do you credit.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/12/a-poor-vaccine-is-worse-than-no-vaccine-the-challenges-faced-by-scientists

Scientists are apparently concerned about lack of testing for the Russian vaccine, and quite right too.

But a UK vaccine, previously touted to appear as early as September (just 2 or 3 weeks from now) would of course be 100% safe, and anyone refusing to take it is a dangerous anti-vaxxer…

I said earilier: the Russian one uses two human adenoviruses as vectors, the AstraZeneca, I think, use a monkey adenovirus and need two shots…

How dare the Russians do it first?

By it, I mean not only finding a ‘working’ vaccine (we shall see on that score), but finding one in record time, not testing it properly, and giving to millions of people yaaaay!

Yes good to remember 3 weeks flatten curve, vaccines by September and a full V shaped recovery. All spoken at time of need for the official line. All communicated to us and forgotten by the media.

Each one of these individuals will have contracts of employment stating ‘best’ ‘higest quality’ service to the people. Each of the not worth putting out if on fire.

Yes seems like the Guardian are being sore losers in the vaccine race. I thought the Oxford vaccine (almost the same design as the Russian one) was also going into preemptive production?

Enhancement is the big risk I agree but I don’t think it’s ADE specifically but caused by immune system imbalance. The problem is even phase 3 trials and/or challenge trials won’t really prove it won’t happen. It might be something that’s more likely to affect someone with a poor immune system in the first place, perhaps after the initial antibodies from the vaccine have gone down. Lots of unknowns.

Will be amusing to see the Guardian change their tune when the Oxford vaccine is ready. It will be wonderful and safe in spite of being very similar (spike protein RNA inside an adenovirus)

Yes, I think they’ve made millions of doses of the Oxford vaccine already, but I might be wrong.

Sky news running around Manchester finding pubs and cafes that are not following ‘the rules’, youngish journalist reports they had to leave one bar because they ‘didn’t feel safe’ . How utterly vile these people are.

It wasn’t the virus they were scared of.
It was the locals.

Tbh, there are pubs in Manchester where I wouldn’t “feel safe”, and I grew up there (and in fact actually I wasn’t safe in some of them and got bruises to prove it). Surely they didn’t actually mean they were scared of catching The Virus!? It still staggers me every time I encounter someone willing to admit to such idiocy in public.

Daily Fail with the fear porn about cases “surging” falling on deaf ears again.
I like this particular comment…

77 really ??.. are those genuine deaths, or most probably the made up deaths, assumed deaths misreported deaths or delayed deaths … Oh forgot we are going to be given three different daily death tolls soon … just to confuse us a bit more .. another controlling technique

77 you say?

Commenter’s point about today’s article. I was only interested in the comments and which way they were swinging.

yes sorry I realised that.

it wasnt really a question for you

it’s just these pesky numbers that keep popping up.

33 77 etc

they really do keep popping up.

almost like a nod to those in the know

I have noticed that come to think of it…. Almost like when you are trying to come up with a false number it is an unconscious thought to arrive at these double digit numbers..

Good old US of A had a bad case of the “33s” either last week or the one before, loads of news programs reporting 33 new deaths, cases or other things related to the pandemic. It really was rather comical. Bacofoil hat on.

I’m pretty sure they do this to

-mock the ignorant
-invoke helpless anger amongst plebs who’ve figured it out
-hat tip / lol to those in the know

there’s deeper / basic programming involved too

I do my best to help the swing in the correct direction. Never read the DM until recently, but now I comment on as many articles as I can, or at least until my blood pressure starts to rise. Lots of commenters are wondering if there are paid government agents trying to swing public opinion. Can’t disagree.

Article is https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8619125/UK-announces-11-coronavirus-deaths-early-count-taking-total-number-victims-46-639.html . Yes all 77 died of Covid, not with it . Total number of infections 345000. Yes 345000 people all walking around infected -not a single one will ever recover. 1009 today down from 1148 yesterday. Cue headline “Infections fall 10%” err not.

Can’t they get it through their heads that a one-day trend is NOT a trend?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/covid-19-cases-lanarkshire-track-22395671

Hilarious. Track and trace should be shut down immediately, it’s obviously a huge vector of disease.

Or in the Who document (as they all like to quote WHO) Not Recommended in any circumstances – Contact tracing. Quality of Evidence – very low (unknown).

There’s one social distancing ambassador.

God I hope I never return to work although ironic the social distancing ambassador can’t be traced

“but I’ve not seen him for a few weeks – I think he’s on holiday.”

got lynched.

like the milk monitor

snitches get stitches

Maybe he is at the ambassador’s party eating ferrero rochet

My friend has just been made Covid Officer at the gym where she works… Sadly she’s all for it.

The social distancing ambassador has socially distanced himself so successfully that he can no longer be found.

Recession is unprecedented, says Chancellor Rishi Sunak
No shit!!!!!!!!!!

Sherlock!

thankyou…. i couldn’t remember which detective it was

I don’t even know what fucking day it is

Me neither, seriously. I have to think hard.

It couldn’t be worse if they tried.

Oh wait, it was of their making.

The problem with elected Ministers is that they have no clue over the area they are responsible for: he thinks this is unprecedented, anyone with a grain of intelligence and a vague knowledge of economy foresaw this in March! If the thinks this is unprecedented, wait till next quarter’s data is out!

He may be Dishy Rishy but he’ll quickly become Shitdish

clouseau

Clue-less-oh

There are so many puzzling aspects of the government response to this pandemic, but a total inability to see this coming is perhaps one of the most bizarre.

I think that this is all an act – they knew full well what they were doing, it was deliberate.. Enough MPs attend Davos and other international forums where such decisions are made..

He doesn’t give a shit – look at his face, he can hardly stop the smarmy smirk from breaking out.

Needs a history lesson stat!

Returning to the Simon Dolan Court Case challenging the government’s handling of the coronavirus epidemic, part of the government’s case was that the precautionary principle (PP) applied:

’10. In deciding how to respond to the pandemic, and, critically, how to protect the fundamental Article 2 rights of the population, the Government has had to make a series of judgment calls, based on the best scientific evidence and advice available to it at any given time.

11. It has, for obvious reason given the scale and severity of the threat posed by the virus, proceeded on a precautionary basis. Fundamental rights, including the right to life, are at stake. Evidence as to the characteristics, transmission and effects of the virus have been and, although understanding has developed at pace, remain uncertain.’

PP in English Health & Safety (H&S) Law derives from eu law, article 174 of the EC treaty on the environment, extended into H&S in 2000 then incorporated into English H&S law by a ‘Mr Blair’, whoever he was……

The House of Commons Select Committee on Science and Technology considered PP as long ago as 2005.

‘ In view of the ongoing debate surrounding the use of the precautionary principle we decided to include it in our terms of reference for this inquiry. We explored its application, primarily at an EU level…’

Their conclusion?

‘…..in view of the lack of consensus over its meaning and application, we have found little practical use for the precautionary principle.’

Why?

‘…. the Government maintained that the precautionary principle “is valuable in dealing with uncertainty”, although it went on to make clear that, in practice, the principle is “interpreted as a flexible precautionary approach” which should be adopted alongside other research and monitoring and that “highly restrictive or expensive precautionary interventions should be reviewed on a regular basis in the light of research findings and new data.” This approach to practical application appears wholly sensible, but does not support the case for the retention of a precautionary principle .

‘ In our view, the terms “precautionary principle” and “precautionary approach” in isolation from any such clarification have been the subject of such confusion and different interpretations as to be devalued and of little practical help, particularly in public debate. Indeed, without such clarification and explanation, to elevate the precautionary approach or principle to a scientific methodology, which can be proved or disproved to have been applied in any particular case, is both unrealistic and impractical. It also provides ammunition for those seeking to promote an overly cautious approach to innovation or exposure to any risk at all. ‘

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmsctech/900/90009.htm#:~:text=The%20ILGRA%20report%20on%20the,decisions%20on%20how%20to%20address

‘….expensive precautionary interventions should be reviewed on a regular basis in the light of research findings and new data.’

The British taxpayer pays huge sums in taxation for its representatives to provide effective government.

This they have clearly failed to provide, disregarding their own carefully deliberated and sensible advice.

It is a measure of the magnitude of their dereliction of duty that recourse to law is the only avenue now available for redress, for the entire 65 million plus population of this country and even then only on appeal.

Our whole system of government, legal system, has failed us, been found hopelessly wanting, subject, only, to appeal.

The fact that the appeal will not take place until 28th September yet further underlines the obsolete inutility of both governmental and legal systems in England.

Thousands have died and are still dying before their time as a direct consequence of this unending sequence of massive and grotesque incompetencies.

In such urgency, how can consideration of redress take so long?

What is the Americanism ‘judgement call’ doing in any professional discussion of English law?

THE LAW
1. The recent case of R (Parkinson) v HM Senior Coroner Kent, Dartford and Gravesham NHS Trust and Dr
Hijazi (Interested Parties) [2018] EWHC 1501 (Admin) provides a helpful summary of the relationship
of Article 2 of the ECHR to coroner’s inquest proceedings.
2. Singh LJ summarises the position in medical cases between paragraphs 83 and 89:
‘Article 2 imposes both substantive positive obligations on the state and procedural obligations.
The primary substantive positive obligation is to have in place a regulatory framework compelling hospitals, whether
private or public, to adopt appropriate measures for the protection of patients’ lives.
The primary procedural obligation is to have a system of law in place, whether criminal or civil, by which individual
failures can be the subject of an appropriate remedy. In the law of England and Wales that is achieved by having a
criminal justice system, which can in principle hold to account a healthcare professional who causes a patient’s death by
gross negligence; and a civil justice system, which makes available a possible civil claim for negligence. We note that, in
the present case, there is in fact an extant civil claim which has been brought by the Claimant against the NHS Trust
which ran the hospital (which is the First Interested Party in the present judicial review proceedings).
The enhanced duty of investigation, which falls upon the state itself to initiate an effective and independent investigation,
will only arise in medical cases in limited circumstances, where there is an arguable breach of the state’s own substantive
obligations under Article 2.
Where the state has made adequate provision for securing high professional standards among health professionals and
the protection of the lives of patients, matters such as an error of judgment on the part of a health professional or
negligent coordination among health professionals in the treatment of a particular patient are not sufficient of themselves
to call the state to account under Article 2.
However, there may be exceptional cases which go beyond mere error or medical negligence, in which medical staff, in
breach of their professional obligations, fail to provide emergency medical treatment despite being fully aware that a
person’s life would be put at risk if that treatment is not given. In such a case the failure will result from a dysfunction
in the hospital’s services and this will be a structural issue linked to the deficiencies in the regulatory framework.
At the risk of over-simplification, the crucial distinction is between a case where there is reason to believe that there may
have been a breach which is a “systemic failure”, in contrast to an “ordinary” case of medical negligence’
3. It is also noted that, at para. 21 in the case of Rabone v Pennine Care NHS Trust [2012] UKSC 2,
Lord Dyson said the following:”… It is clear that the existence of a ‘real and immediate risk’ to life is a necessary but not sufficient condition for the
existence of the duty. This is because … a patient undergoing major surgery may be facing a real and immediate risk of
death and yet the Powell case shows that there is no Article 2 operational duty to take reasonable steps to avoid the
death of such a patient.”
4. Para. 196 of the case Lopes de Sousa Fernandes v Portugal (app. no. 56080/13), judgment of 19
December 2017, the Court (Grand Chamber) said:
“There must be a link between the dysfunction complained of and the harm which the patient sustained.”
5. Again at para. 196, the Court said:
“The dysfunction at issue must have resulted from the failure of the State to meet its obligation to provide a regulatory
framework in the broader sense indicated above …”