2020-08-21

That Headteacher should not be overseeing our children’s’ education

He shouldn’t be in education; probably better suited to HR!

I think he’s more suited to being a sadistic prison warden.

He needs to be one of the inmates

He’s a CEO of an academy, unlikely he has any teaching qualifications.

Just being in prison would do.

The growth of kerrchingg! academies has correlated with the elevation of a lot of dodos with sharp suits and pointy shoes to headship.- now often entitled with pseudo-management terms such as ‘chief executive’.

There idea of education is that of a baked bean factory with trendy slogans on the wall.

He is a sadistic prison warden, disguised as an educator.

If you read the full article in the Mirror he sounds like he’s using the opportunity to score some political hits against Tories (deserved, to be fair) and couldn’t give a shit about the kids at his school.

His entire newsletter might as well be a Labour public broadcast, not once does he talk about the mental welfare of children, exemptions, possible negative effects of masking, the actual risk they face (or lack therefore, more to the point) – it’s just all about taking digs at gov and feeling smug about himself. Really shocking stuff, the guy should be removed from his post immediately, he is a danger to others.

I just read the full article. I’m now incandescent with rage. That headmaster is an absolute arsehole of the highest order – and he’s on a salary of £140k, one of the largest in the country.

“ and he’s on a salary of £140k, one of the largest in the country.”

That’ll be why he’s a Labour supporter.

No – the kerrrching! factor is an embedded Tory policy – quite forseeable in its results..

Petty point scoring you Lord Lucan, will only have the government smiling. Did you ever hear of “divide and rule”. Well of course you did, but you decided to take no notice.

Bet he doesn’t live in Bletchley, or anywhere else he might be within punching range of a dad.

Pfft.

The man is insane.

Young kids are really good at calling out idiocy when they see it. Lots of children will refuse to muzzle up and as for the 2 metre rule… good luck with that one!

My little one went back to school in June. Social distancing and bubbling died that first day, the teachers soon gave up trying to police the impossible.

I’d love to be a fly on the wall in Mr Harrison’s school a few days in, I have a feeling things will not be going to plan.

Calls himself a ceo. Ffs.

There’s only 1 photo of the scrote on googleimages – very suspicious.

But God forbid that parents do it, right?

I don’t use this word lightly.. he is a c..t!

That’s a terrible insult to an ingenious, elegant and joyous thing.

The parents all individually need to go to the police and report him for assault on their children. Or harm with intent. Or causing actual bodily harm. I am sure there are several offences which relate. There is a very good and active parents organisation in Germany which is fighting attempts to introduce masks in schools.

It’s child abuse pure and simple. He should be in jail.

Too many red marxists infiltrated the establishments now

Cath Noakes clearly needs to get out more.

The picture of a school operating like that is inhuman. What we are doing is very misguided and very sad.

Misguided and sad doesn’t cut it. Criminally insane is more fitting.

Yes, yes, yes

Psychopathic, might be better.

I was just reading her tweets and comments when it suddenly flashed up that they were protected. Has she just done this?

Great cartoon!

DT readers are finally waking up to the Covid scam. Bojo is getting a right kicking, deservedly so. A couple of the comments blame NHS and PHE but overwhelmingly Bojo and Hancock are in the firing line

Has anyone discovered if Bojo has gone on holiday to Greece yet if he reads the DT he might not want to come back.

One comment with over 200 upvotes:

” Boris has blown it. The eminent people who said he was an untrustworthy vacuum were right, sadly. I voted for him as a lifelong Tory but never again, ”

ouch

Me too, what twats .

Johnson and Hancock are simply doing what Gates wants them to do. Compulsory genocidal vaccine is coming, if these “twats” think they can get away with it.

Of course, the grossly stupid still think that theirs is an opinion worth sharing.

Quarantine him for an undetermined length of time upon his return.

On the end of a rope

I think that all these pro lockdown folks should all be compelled to live in a Greta Thunberg/Extincition Rebellion/Public Health England/Green World for a year or two.

Preferably at the Tower of London. He can be another visitor attraction.

Good morning all. Any happy stories to share? I could do with a dose of positivity today.

I’ve just taken my car into the garage. No indication of the covid cult. No tape, signs, perspex, masks, sanitiser. Had a lovely chat about my car and the fixing of with the owner. Lovely.

Oh, almost full maskage on the bus

Same yesterday in main dealership, neither office or workshop staff or customers in waiting room masked up.

I had a different experience.The sales staff were all unmasked but no tea or handshakes.One of the backroom staff came to get my driving licence and wouldn’t touch it.I had to place it on a piece of paper.When he returned it he held it on said paper and let it slide onto the desk.Surreal

Yeah, they had removed the coffee maker, apart from that pretty good.

We had our septic tank emptied yesterday, and a very pleasant chap. Had a great chat on our past expat experiences in the Middle East, needless to say in his line of work surrounded by bacteria, there was no social distancing or masks during our exchange.

septic tank workers, they LOVE IT…lol

Most people these days look they ARE septic tank workers.

And here you are today, in the sceptic tank!

Great story You’d think in his line of work he’d be in a full hazmet suit wouldn’t you?

Masks wearers are a very real problem. These compliant people are giving the government enough confidence to do something yet more stupid. Making vaccination, with Gates’s hardly tested genocidal brew, compulsory is something HMG will try to do, if it thinks the public is just too dumb to resist being culled.

Not many I’m afraid. Our plumber is a hardcore sceptic, though he does also believe people are being turned into lizards. Actually, thinking about the BS we see spouted, maybe he’s not that far wrong….

I saw 4 unmasked shoppers in Aldi last night. First time I have seen a bare face in there. I felt utterly joyful and grinned idiotically at them all!

We went to Morrison’s late on a Sat. night no one on door ,being later not a great many shoppers a few without masks staff , some masked others not, and hearing a Capt. Beefheart track being played! had a great chat with a bloke restocking the veg. about the Capt. Of course he pulled down his mask to chat!

My brothers and I saw The Yardbirds with Jimmy Page and Captain Beefheart’s Magic Band at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium (former home of the Oscars) in 1966. Safe as Milk. Zig Zag Wanderer. He turned to painting later in his life.

Jealous. Did you get to Monterey Pop, Richard ?

No, but I saw Cream with my two brothers at the Whisky A Go Go on Sunset Boulevard, Hollywood, September4th, 1967:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-_zfrER5KI

Weird, I was listening to strictly personal the other day.

I saw the great Captain & his Magic Band in 1974, supported by Henry Cow.
…..for a minute I thought I was on the John Peel group on Facebook.

My local Aldi had several unmuzzled shoppers on Wednesday evening. Usually it’s just me.

Grinning at people is the best antidote we’ve got.

The normal pub I mentioned a while ago that closed due to a non-local snitch complaining is back open as before due to local pressure. A big win.

Hooray!
Drop the snitch down a well. A deep one.

Annie, for a devout Christian there’s something very Old Testament about you ……

Those are the best kind of Christians…

YAY!

On Tuesday I met up with an old colleague who greeted me with a handshake and hug, and I quickly realised he was sceptical about this whole business as well. Very heartening.

Last night I visited a local country pub. Everything was delightfully normal – not a sign of test and trace, perspex, tape, stickers or one-way systems. I thanked the landlord for providing such a haven of normality amongst all the madness. I will be going back.

Did it happen to be anywhere in warwickshire?

Sadly it’s in Hertfordshire. We should set up a database of sensible pubs!

The danger with announcing where they are is some vindictive snitch will inform on them and they’ll be closed down.

I know of a pub where they don’t bother with these silly rules but it’s 70 miles away!!

Happy stories – I guess taking my step-daughter for her first haircut in 6 months is a happy story? Well she was very happy anyway. My step-son’s got into University, despite the fact he was cheated of finishing his College course back in March. Very happy! And his Uni doesn’t seem to be heavy on the social-distancing by the looks of their FAQs on their website – they’re doing all they can, it seems, to make the Uni experience as fun and exciting as possible in September, despite restrictions.

Got my tyres changed on Monday. The mechanics weren’t too bothered about masks and whatnot. The guy at the front desk was wearing one for appearance’s sake, as far as i can tell, but didn’t tell any customer that they needed masks or anything. Once you get past all the things they have to do, like put up signs about facemask, it was actually a pretty normal experience.
Now, if i only hadn’t ordered Goodyear tyres, that would have been great…

Went for breakfast in the local cafe. No masks and the only sign was “Remember we don’t have a card machine”. Saw the local shop had the no mask, we don’t ask, poster up. The builder at home, which was why a breakfast out day, punctuated the banging with his views on the total stupidity of everything that was happening. Nearly 1.00 pm, was out for three hours, and didn’t see one mask

I went to the pub last night my favourite local ever and it was…..fairly normal. Phew. There was a fair ground in the park. Nice to see and hear but it was a socially distanced faircround, book in advance, fenced off site, masked up security guard at the gate and “keep two seats apart, scream if you wanna go faster!” The riders weren’t wearing face masks and neither were the ride operators. Your £10 ticket bought unlimited rides. Phew….

Screaming is allowed? Good heavens, where were the police?

Went to hospital consultant a few days ago. This was a real test of my resolve, for I had waited a year for this appointment and didn’t want to blow it by not wearing one of those disgusting face-things. Fretted about it a week.
So, that morning, I decided to ring the hospital department to see how the land lied. I said ‘I don’t wear a mask’ (I didn’t say ‘I’m exempt’ – too yellow star for me).
Sweet girl at the other end – ‘No problem’ she said; ‘just speak with the person on the door then, if you want, you can wait outside and we’ll come and get you; but if you want to wait in the waiting area, no problem.’
So I just turned up; but there was a mask-Nazi on the door who was about to say I need a mask. ‘Don’t wear one’, I interrupted. ‘Girl on reception says to come in. I have an appointment with … – at… ‘ And am overheard – another door person (much to the Nazi’s disgust) says ‘Hello Mr Bertram, we are expecting you. I’ll show you to the waiting room.’ It was easy as that. No need to worry at all.
So my advice to all in a similar situation is to telephone the reception in advance, say you don’t wear a mask, and ask if they have any special arrangement for you to attend, such as turning up a bit early.
Good luck.

That’s good to know. Thanks.

More unmuzzled fellow passengers in my carriage on the way back home from work. Its been slow and uneven but it seems to be steady.

Sorry, I’m a bit late. Yesterday had a lovely afternoon with my neighbours, in a pub garden. The pub was totally cool and unfussy, no taking of details either. And our neighbours who were very scared of covid in the beginning, have now turned tail and see it for what it really is. We walked through the park and had coffee at the cafe – loads of people enjoying the sun, no naps. Then walking through town – loads of napless walking around. So all in all a good time.

A few good reads on AIER (American Institute for Economic Research) recently:

https://www.aier.org/article/governments-are-faking-it-and-copying-each-other/

https://www.aier.org/article/intellectuals-politicians-and-pot-commitment/

https://www.aier.org/article/pathological-and-parochial-altruism-in-the-age-of-fear/

AIER has been one of the best sources of reasoned, in-depth sceptical analysis of the current madness, especially from a political, economic and social angle. The first two, especially, are a good attempt at trying to figure out why so many governments have rushed to implement the same measures worldwide, and keeping them going against all the evidence.

They’re written from a US-focused perspective, but a lot of the points apply to the UK and the rest of the world!

AIER has had a lot of good stfuf since the start.

Zero Covid Deaths In English Hospitals Yesterday

Local Live Online editor had better be awake or their copy will read
“None of the deaths occurred in XXXX county or XXXX county next door.” as per every day for 8 weeks.

“ that was the riskiest thing I’ve done in a long while ” !!!?

Literally incredible. The fact that such a statement could come from a professor, and someone who is on the board of supposed “experts” advising the government on policy in response to the now passed epidemic, is both astonishing and a very good explanation for how we came to be in the mess we are in.

If the “professor” (as I think we must term someone making such a stupid statement on such an important issue) is in fact a safety obsessed neurotic, then I suppose it could theoretically be true that going for lunch in a restaurant could be “the riskiest thing she has done” for a while, but her biggest risks would be things like food poisoning, getting mugged or involved in a traffic accident on the way there or back, etc. Catching covid, let alone suffering serious consequences, would be well down the list, among other vanishingly small risks ordinarily routinely ignored, such as getting struck by lightning or having a tree branch fall on her head..

Wankers, all of them!

Cowardly wankers.

It’s not cowardly to feel fear. It is cowardly to let fear override your reason, which is what they have done.

Do you think she believes what she is saying to be true?

Seems unlikely to be something she wrote as propaganda. Possible in theory, but even less plausible I think than the idea she actually is that irrational, because I see educated, intelligent people all the time in my social circles who are that dominated by irrational fear.

The fact is that the fearmongering has been omnipresent and highly effective, and fear is, indeed, the mind killer. It is just as dangerous to reason and to rationality as we were always told. And once you have stopped reasoning, it doesn’t matter a whit how intelligent or educated you are.

Have an uptick for the Bene Gesserit “fear is the mind killer” reference.

True wisdom, as we have just had demonstrated very forcefully to the whole world, from the Bene Gesserit (ok, ok, from Frank Herbert).

Not the only person to have warned us against the very trap the entire wold just fell into. We can hardly claim we weren’t warned:

“Fear is an insidious and deadly thing. It can warp judgment, freeze reflexes, breed mistakes. Worse, it’s contagious.”
Jimmy Stewart (a wartime bomber pilot as well as an actor)

“Fear is a distorting mirror in which anything can appear as a caricature of itself, stretched to terrible proportions; once inflamed, the imagination pursues the craziest and most unlikely possibilities. What is most absurd suddenly seems the most probable.”
Stefan Zweig

“Of all the liars in the world, sometimes the worst are our own fears.”
Rudyard Kipling

“We are more often frightened than hurt; and we suffer more from imagination than from reality.”
— Seneca

“No power so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear.”
— Edmund Burke

Great, thanks for these.

Fear – false evidence appearing real!

Stefan Zweig was a wonderful writer. Beware of Pity is one of my favourite novels.

Check out the reviews!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Beware-Stefan-classic-B-Format-Paperback/dp/1908968370/

I’m reading a lot more fiction now and minimising the time I waste on the news, since most of it is insultingly transparent propaganda anyway. (Hello, BBC!) Entering the world of an absorbing novel is very good for the psyche; not escapism, but a refreshing retreat from Covidmania. Ditto listening to great music.

I’ve thought as well that Covid has been like a global Gom Jabbar, revealing the humans from the animals.

Well I find it easier to believe she wrote it as propaganda than think she is stupid enough to actually believe what she said.

Motivation is always the hardest thing to be sure of, it could certainly be either. But which is worse for us, in its implications?

Both are bad, but if she knows it’s BS then it’s much worse for us because that means she is pursuing an evil agenda and not just a victim of her own fears, which she could be possibly talked out of

Both are are likely bad for the rest of us.

Intelligence seems to have nothing to do with Civid mania. The latter effortlessly overrides the former.
That’s why we constantly find ourselves howling ‘WHAT’S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?’ They aren’t people any more. They have surrendered ‘their fair judgement, without which we are pictures, or mere beasts’.

That is my view, either way though, she is a dangerous pos.

Yes, I see many much more intelligent and better educated people than me (in STEM subjects!!) unable to assess the risk. It is not about logic, common sense or intelligence. I’m still thinking about what it is really about …. maybe fear of death, suggestibility, inability to think critically, desire to conform. Who knows but I see so many people who really should do better obsessing about bubbles, rules and God knows what else.

You may be right, but no matter. She is either dangerous or dangerous and stupid. Either way we need rid of her.

Good question…Yes. Or she is virtue signalling her compliance to the cult of covid

Her words stink of virtue signalling.

As a part of the official Covid psyop, she has to do, what she has to do. I wonder how she managed to eat her meal while wearing her mask.

Having worked with and to several similar personalities in similar positions, I have no doubt she is genuine, if a little condescending. I think she expects her readers to be even more scared than she is. The main problem is that like all SAGE members she has a significant personal investment in the current situation, just like a general who can neve understand why people want wars to end.
Note that she is utterly protected economically from the lockdown and has gained a strong sense of self-importance from her position. Would anyone be following her before 2020? Now she has an audience of the worried we’ll to nurture. Vanity can be a strong driver.

Last year I turned 40. In the midst of my midlife crisis I decided to take up skateboarding.
Turns out I’ve been doing more risky things than that by going to pubs, restaurants and church. If I’d known that last year I would have maybe left the skateboard thing alone.

How`s the skateboarding going? are you any good? have you
mastered any tricks?

It’s going all right. No tricks yet. In February I could do an ollie. Then I lost the knack and can’t get it back.

tomorrow’s headline: “Thanks to covid, Ed can no longer do an ollie”

Sounds like the caption of a Gary Larson cartoon

Yes, real thrill-seekers go to restaurants where people don’t wear masks now, it seems.

#stunning&brave

Ha! Cool!

Much respect. Inspirational stuff. I considered taking skateboarding up when I was 30 but decided that I was far too clumsy. Since then though, cycling and skiing has resulted in four trips to A&E and two surgeries! Maybe I should reconsider skateboarding now that I’m 50 ….

There’s a skateboard park two streets from where I live, just under the Jacques Cartier Bridge. It was enclosed by a metal chain link fence from April to July. A basketball court just a five minute bicycle ride away from my apartment was also closed to the public. WTF!

The public that doesn’t own any wirecutters ?

When she gave evidence before the House of Commons Science and Technology Committee in May, she stated that the science for the two metre social distancing rule was the precautionary principle.

In other words, no science.

Though in fact, of course, we all know the truth behind the 2m rule imposition because an insider spilled the beans months ago:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/07/government-has-terrorised-britons-believing-coronavirus-will/

“Prof Dingwall said he had been told by a senior public health specialist that “we knew it was one metre but we doubled it to two because we did not think the British population would understand what one metre was and we could not trust them to observe it so we doubled it to be on the safe side”.”

The one metre World Health Organisation recommendation was equally just made up.

It’s all incremental but stuff like this brings people onside as it is clearly ludicrous. What worries me is the hardcore shitbags who hear this and double down on their fear. It all goes back to the SAGE m̶i̶n̶d̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶t̶r̶o̶l̶ behavioural science from March. In trying to illicit change in the “complacent”, they failed to consider the impact the “hard-hitting emotional messaging” would have on the non-complacent.

If nothing else, these scientists are very, very clumsy.

Risk assessment.
We have a busy main road that narrows to go under a railway bridge, on one side there is no pavement, on the other is a narrow tunnel for Pedestrians.
Last year a woman was crushed to death trying to walk the non pavements side.
Council put up barriers and signs trying to stop people doing that, there are pedestrian crossings nearby either side of the bridge.
4 young women are huddled around the sign having evaded the barrier , waiting for a gap in traffic to dash through.

They are all wearing masks in the open.

They are not the only ones because they have come from nearby Aldi, Iceland or Matalan

crazy…really crazy

It also says a lot for the life she has lived so far, it must have been as boring as watching paint dry. What a total muppet. Risks? It’s just amazing I am still here. So many close calls with the grim reaper I have lost count.

I hope the twitter replies were strong.

A low threshold for risk.

She wrote that for attention. That’s it.

When AIDS first loomed on the horizon it took forever for the ‘safe sex’ message to get across. Nobody I knew was practising it then and condoms were not an ubiquitous thing in the eighties. If this woman had been around then she would probably have put a padlock on her vagina and campaigned for mandatory celibacy.

This is the inevitable consequence of decades of the relentless advance of health and safety policies. We have become risk intolerant (as a society).

Most of us on here, for example, grew up riding in the back of our parent’s cars without seat belts and here we are. And yet, most children today not only don’t need to be told to buckle up, but will feel extremely uneasy if they’re not strapped in. And parents of course could get into some serious trouble for it.

It’s a different world and it’s going to get worse. I expect at this rate in a decade or two contracting any sort of cold or flu will be intolerable. We will be so thoroughly tracked, traced and vaccinated that people will be terrified at the prospect of contracting any sort of respiratory infection.

We (sceptics) are all fast becoming relics I fear.

Apologies if anyone posted this yesterday – a splendid Spanish doctor explains to newsreaders why they are misrepresenting the covid narrative

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwlkumcRf6w

yes – it was referenced by Toby yesterday and links also posted on here several times. Definitely worth a watch and worth repeating for those that missed it

a must watch;

https://plandemicseries.com/

I watched a television advertisement earlier today. It contained images of people wearing masks. The voice-over asserted: This is not a mask. It is freedom. This is not a mask. It is solidarity. The closest the so called advertisement actually came to trying to sell me something was at the end when the word Vistaprint appeared.

Best to avoid all tell-lie-vision I find. Thanks for the heads up
though, I have used vistaprint in the past.

War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength. We have always been at war with Eastasia.

I was just to type that quote…

Great minds.

But does 2 + 2 = 4
(just testing)

Complain to them – I have.

Corporations act as parasites in any situation which they can turn to their advertising advantage. It always makes me laugh that advertisers are called creatives.

We use Vistaprint for our annual family calendars. No more.

Make sure you let them know why!

Nor me.

Work Shall Make You Free

I saw that yesterday too – I thought it was government propaganda until vistaprint was mentioned at the end. My husband is currently reading 1984. Big Brother calls this doublethink – where 2 contradictory ideas are conflated into one. How can anyone think that freedom is achieved by restriction??

There is government propaganda in Quebec. I saw four large posters yesterday showing 30 something males and females wearing masks and looking defiant. One said Conviction. Another Solidarity. Another Courage.
This was a brand new government produced propaganda poster, subsidized by us, the taxpayers. At the bottom of the poster was this government’s motto ‘Votre Gouvernement’ (Your Government). Our Premier was marketing director for Quebecair. Now he’s marketing East Germany 2.0.

Blimey, that’s sinister!

Exactly 

Another company to add to the boycott list!

Sent them this short e mail

“Recently saw your nonsense advert on the TV re: the wearing of masks. Won’t be buying any more products from you”…

Wow – boycott Vistaprint!

I just went on their website to find an email address. Was shocked to see that they are selling back-to-school kid-friendly masks. Seems they are also supporters of child abuse.

https://youtu.be/DoJ4OGiA1qs

I am off to for a run. The anger after watching that should see me a personal best

Thanks for that. I now know what to watch out for so I can imediately hit the mute button.

I’ve added my Thumbs Down, currently running at nearly 1000 more than the Ups

It could do with a few more I think

Words just fail me with that idiotic tweet from Sage member Cath Noakes! Does she really feel in danger in a restaurant? No wonder government is making stupid decisions with people like her advising them.

I can recommend a restaurant for her where she’ll feel totally safe. There’s only room for one – no dirty other people – and it’s got soft padded walls. Lovely! Best of all, she’ll get regular meals, three times a day, spooned into her mouth by Nursie.

Two metre spoon, of course.

made of plastic, slipped under the locked door. Seriously this woman should not be allowed to give any more advice on anything of any importance ever again.

With a two metre spoon?

I don’t understand why she went in the first place if she thinks it’s sooooo dangerous.

Well, well:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8650513/Coronavirus-EIGHT-biggest-killer-four-times-people-dying-dementia.html

You mean to say, COVID19 is not the deadliest pathogen to strike Homo sapiens in all our history?

It’s awful. I mean, the treatment involves… have to steel myself… being sent home!

It never was. That was hype. And it did the trick.

Interesting that the Flu/Pneumonia are half what they are normally. Wonder how many of those were diagnosed as Covid in the absence of a test but in the presence of symptoms.

The other half (at least)

Some good comments too.

Now that all the chickens are coming home to roost, don’t you all feel the teeniest bit smug on here? Having to bite my tongue, when speaking with friends who thought I was the one who had got this completely wrong, is going to give me a lisp!

There are still too many entrenched zealots for my liking. Idiots who will not budge.

Set fire to them

Pot commitment, as AIER recently established.

No, not smug. Just very, very sad that we were right. It’s not a great feeling. Back in March I hoped I’d be wrong, and that by the end of summer we’d be out of lockdown.

The ONLY way we can beat this is with the power of saying NO.

Even if it means being locked away for 6 months for hugging a friend.

Before we win, we will have to be prepared to suffer.

Similarly, definitely not smug, more like despair in that we turned out to be right but nobody in charge is listening, instead they’re just doubling down repeatedly with less and less excuse for it. The fear + compliance propaganda has also created a significant minority of people (probably a small minority of the overall population but a much bigger one in terms of online/social media presence) who are fully signed up to the official narrative and angrily denounce anything that seems to challenge it (this situation is a lot worse in the US)

In the UK, at least, it feels like the only way out of this is for people – from MPs down to ordinary citizens – to stand up to it. Businesses and charities also.

Maybe there will be some progress once Parliament starts up again next month. It seems totally crazy that they are allowed to take a “summer holiday” in this situation, but it’s another excuse to delay the day of judgement by a few more weeks at least…

The longer this goes on the worse the inevitable backlash/fightback will eventually be. But this Government seem to now be irrevocably committed to their attempt to keep up the narrative until a vaccine, they could have apologised and backed down a couple of months maybe, but now they’re just digging themselves an ever-deeper hole.

First they laugh at you, then they hate you, then they fight you, then you win.
-David Icke.

But then they will still be trumpeting a second wave and long covid. I agree that a bit more of this sort of info emerging is very heartening, though.

What I’m most worried about is that facts don’t seem to matter any more.

There have been so many “no clothes” moments and yet the reaction just seems to be to tweak the narrative (deaths -> cases etc) and apply yet more nonsensical authoritarian controls.

They are so lost in their cult of groupthink! What on earth is it going to take to make these idiots see sense?

Judging by the example of Germans, only a complete, humiliating and absolutely obvious catastrophe.
Followed by another 30 years during which the then still influential collaborators and
denialists slowly pass away.

But they will say that if it hadn’t been for lockdown etc etc

The Covid paranoiacs I know (2 couples) are actually doubling down – “self isolation before the second wave…”.
I guess we won’t be meeting up soon (if ever).

Jeez. I wonder if I should prepare myself for this from my family. I already find their brainwashed, believing everything they are fed by mainstream media state incredibly tiring and depressing. Wake up already!

I haven’t felt this yet but I sense the façade is cracking…..

Take your new found smugness to Trafalgar Square on the 29th of August.

Right, fuck it.

Anybody who walks about wearing a disgusting mask deserves every boil, pimple, black head, yellow head, cold sore, chest infection, sinus infection, throat infection, cold, flu, fungal infection and virus.

Fucking idiots, line them and put them out of their misery.

Normally being in town I would have a mooch about, have a pint, read the paper. Buy some records, books or anything else that takes my fancy. No more. The government have been sly bastards, everyone you can go out but you have to dress up like an arsehole. Ha ha, as fat slob Boris and his advisors laugh at us from behind their keyboards. Hope he gets the shits whilst he is in Greece. Fat slob.

As I posted yesterday bovine like creatures being fattened up for the slaughterhouse.

I can see it in their eyes, the fear. Save me, the eyes say it. Demoralised or self-virtuouse. Take your pick.

Fuck off.

Boris has actually been quite clever about this. Hitler identified his supposed ememies by making them wear a Star of David, but in today’s pc society that would be discriminatory, but making everybody wear a ‘mask of covid’ cannot be deemed to be so yet serves the same purpose and still allows you to target the dissenters.

Round up the COVID19 unbelievers and put them in re-education camps.

It’s for our own good…

That wont be long in coming.

The new nazis – kind to animals, the planet and minorities, but no change on civil rights.

A bit like in the old days: the AA man didn’t salute to warn of a speed trap.

I applaud your articulation

Thank you, I’m here all week and can do weddings and christenings.

Oh, hold on a minute nobody can anymore

Hope they all get terminal Maskne – the DT’s name for the burgeoning bacterial/fungal infection of the muzzled area. Eugh!

I am waiting for someone’s shaving cut or spot to get infected with MRSA from their mask and develop necrotising fasciitis and have their entire face EATEN OFF. Only something that dramatic will cure people of their mask-love and end this misery.

and it will happen …with millions wearing them, law of big numbers says it will

You’re just tying to cheer us up …

Bring it on!

I find myself wishing all kinds of horrible things on maskers. I used to be a nice person before all this shit! I feel the same about the vaccine — I’m actually hoping for catastrophic results from the trials. They’ll probably cover those up or minimize them since they are only using healthy guinea pigs at the moment, but if there is a widespread rollout I anticipate a lot of misery.

Face nappy related necrotising fasciitis, oh yer, bring it on…That really is nasty.

A new type of acne.

Lots of holiday makers going homeward a day early.
Having spent 3 months locked indoors during the best spring/early summer in memory (during which I was out & about, key worker).
Now they find themselves unable to make plans for foreign travel due to johnsons continuing reckless lockdown so they come here for a bit of holiday and it’s Pissing down with rain in August.

You would have to have a heart of stone….

Why would anyone have a Covid test after returning from holiday and pay 600 quid for the opportunity to get yourself quarantined?!

As for the headteacher and the SAGE member, those kind of people have no business being in any position of responsibility. It’s about time people like that learnt to understand relative risk and grew a backbone to replace the flaccid one they currently have.

I think the deal is the £600 gets you out of doing the quarantine. Effectively a bribe.

Of course it’s easiest just to say you will quarantine and then not do it. This is truer to the spirit of most of what the government is doing anyway.

Except for neighbourhood Karens – you’ll get snitched.

Like a lot of things, this depends on where you live.

Why would you tell snitchers you were going on holiday? And more to the point where? Surely people on here don’t have snitchers as friends?

Only if you test negative?

You have about a 99.5% chance of testing negative.

Hitler had no business being in any position of responsibility….but there you go.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768532?guestAccessKey=950260ad-620b-40e1-a9a8-9db2293ef17e&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social_jama&utm_term=3601763795&utm_campaign=article_alert&linkId=97486210
This is the editorial article July JAMA by Redfield Director CDC which is the primary document behind all mask wearing now in the western world. Adopted like sheep everywhere “Now, there is ample evidence that persons without symptoms spread infection and may be the critical driver needed to maintain epidemic momentum” “Others may think it is premature to promote community masking until research has been completed that measures the effectiveness of cloth face coverings to prevent exposure specifically to SARS-CoV-2. Laboratory studies will be difficult and costly because they require capacity to safely manage this biosafety level 3 pathogen. Any type of community-based randomized trial will be complex to deploy in the right setting (a community with active infection) at the right time (when infections are increasing) to produce actionable results quickly. In the absence of such data, it has been persuasively argued the precautionary principle be applied to promote community masking because there is little to lose and potentially much to be gained . In this regard, the report by Wang et al provides practical, timely, and compelling evidence that community-wide face covering is another means to help control the national COVID-19 crisis.”
“Like herd immunity with vaccines, the more individuals wear cloth face coverings in public places where they may be close together, the more the entire community is protected. Community-level protection afforded by use of cloth face coverings can reduce the number of new infections and facilitate cautious easing of more societally disruptive community interventions such as stay-at-home orders and business closings. ”
“In addition, another analysis published by Goldman Sachs Research suggests that expanding community masking by 15% could prevent the need to bring back stay-at-home orders that would otherwise cost an estimated 5% of gross domestic product, or a projected cost of $1 trillion. ”
“It is probably safe for individuals and safe for others to drive alone or to walk or jog alone on an uncrowded route without a face covering ” (Thanks)
The referenced Wang article is here jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768533
The Wang article has only to do with HCW. It is not a RCT study.
 Not a single RCT has been published about C-19 and facemasks but 8-10 RCT with influenza without effect Redfield also refer to Missouri hair dressers paper almost embarrassing. Retrospective study and not even all exposed were tested for C-19. Redfield again using precautionary principle Redfield even having a reference to Goldman Sachs modelling. Laughable. Redfield referring to T Grenhalgh. British pride, one of the chief woke in the GP community And the whole thing based upon this? And our whole medical establishment swallowing this and throwing out evidence based medical practice? This is a sociological manifest not science Recommend to read in full as this is the fateful document used by all governments.

Two words that should set off alarm bells – no, for once, not Bill Gates – Goldman Sachs!

“there is little to lose and potentially much to be gained”

Seems to be the general approach of medical types advocating this, wilfully ignoring ALL the things to lose by doing this (won’t list, we know them all, the list is long) and claiming there is MUCH to be gained, when in fact their best attempts to list gains are that it _might help reduce_ transmission except, where there are no infected people it literally does nothing and just costs all the downsides. Twats.

Also they claim they help avoid the need for a return to lockdown… there was never a need, there will never be a need, to return to that for C-19 anyway, so fuck off with your mask lies you cunts.

And were they at the same time setting up mask production companies? Lots of dosh.

“there is little to lose and potentially much to be gained”

By the people – the politicians, the “scientists” – prescribing the measures.

Much to be lost by all the rest of us.

“It is probably safe for individuals and safe for others to drive alone… without a face covering”

Don’t know whether to laugh or cry… that explains the masked drivers with nobody else in the car – they’re not taking any chances with the “probably”!

It’s utter madness what some academics are saying. What effing planet do they live on?!

Eagerly waiting for the first serious accident caused by a muzzled driver suffering from hypoxia and/or hypercapnia. The legal ramifications will be fascinating.

Yes, I used to be a nice person but now I’m hoping for events like this to happen! Bring on the maskne, fungal infections, halitosis, dental rot, and people passing out in the car.

Yes but I don’t want to be the one coming from the other direction!

The precautionary principle only works if you can be fairly sure there are no unintended consequences which could make the problem worse, otherwise it’s better to live with uncertainty. Surely those academics should know that.

Does the precautionary principle ever work?

Off the top of my head, it would make sense if you were trying to avoid a nuclear war.

A friend of mine, an enthusiastic mask wearers & bedwetter of the 1st rank, has come down with a nasty viral respiratory infection. Now, I don’t know that it’s because of the mask wearing but I wouldn’t bet against it.
Am I being unfeeling if I admit to a fleeting sense of schadenfreude.

No you’re not! These brain dead twerps don’t deserve any sympathy. I’m saving mine for all the poor souls that are going to suffer from delayed treatments for other, more serious illnesses. Why is a ‘covid casualty’ any more important than any other casualty?

There are logical reasons that mask wearing might increase risk of infection.Handwashing is almost the only thing effective in reducing transmission.If constant fiddling with the face masks makes it possible contamination of fingers and perhaps not available hand washing.This is a serious concern(not just schadenfreude).The recent increase of cases in France and Spain AND mask wearing might be that possibility together with more accepting crowds etc than doing the same thing without mask.

I saw a news report about train fares yesterday where two masked passengers were asked their opinion, both touched the middle of their masks within the few seconds they were on screen, everyday I see people holding the material of masks in their hands – possibly safe in the knowledge they’re part of the 99.98% of the population that aren’t infected. I’d love to see the scientific research showing unhygienic wearing and handling of face masks is beneficial!!

Thanks Swedenborg – I’ve now read the Redfield, Wang and Greenhalgh articles and tried to understand them as best I can (as a complete layman).

My head is spinning but those studies alone (despite your comments) seem enough to convince the intelligent layman that masking is effective to prevent spread of the virus. Not what I wanted to see.

Are the papers as clearly refutable as you say? Or is belief in the efficacy, and on the other hand the damage, of masking just an article of faith, on our side as well as theirs?

If it’s a question of belief and not science, we move into religious territory, where one man’s angel is another man’s devil, and the rational man bows out.

You have to careful comparing mask articles for Health Care Workers with masks for General population. They are two completely different ball games. Many of the pro mask articles cite those studies. The hospital setting is completely different .Change of masks, handwashing in between competent handling of masks. Masks for general population. No technical knowledge to put on safely. No change of masks. No handwashing after touching etc. These are two different worlds.

The studies referenced are all retrospective observational studies which always have the risk for bias, you easily find what you want to find. You are more likely to publish a positive study than negative. You need a prospective (look into future)study with two different groups exposed(RCT) one with masks one without, at the same time ie same stage of the pandemic. None has been published for C-19. But for a similar virus, influenza, several such RCTs have been done showing no effect of face masks for the general public.
I confess I haven’t read Trisha G(who is not a virologist, more a politician) article which I think uses the precautionary principle i.e. if it had an effect it would be good if everybody used it. I think this is very dangerous. I think mask wearing increases the risk for transmission. But another blog comment on that. Fully understand difficult position of a layman overwhelmed by so much information.

Are we going to completely ignore the guy that snuck into an empty hospital, took photos, and got 3 months in jail for it? Are we also going to ignore how the Daily Mail was writing about hospitals filled to bursting under photos of empty hallways?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8184413/Man-jailed-sneaking-local-hospital-witness-coronavirus-Facebook-post.html

I am liking the comments from Fritz thecat

Didn’t know about it until your post, or didn’t remember it. That is pretty shocking. Any journalist take this up at the time or were they just happy to make it difficult for amateurs to compete with them?

“ Are we also going to ignore how the Daily Mail was writing about hospitals filled to bursting under photos of empty hallways ?”

Note the captions in the current story:

Corridors appeared eerily quiet as NHS staff packed into the wards to help sick patients, as Stevenson carried about his business despite strict Government orders to stay at home

and

With the hospital battling against the strain of increasing Covid-19 patients, Stevenson sauntered through will documenting his journey for social media

Be interesting to know what the true situation was in Stoke Mandeville on 30th March.

That story was dated 2nd April, though,so presumably the guy’s been out for a while. And how did he get arrested and convicted so quickly (even given he apparently admitted the offence) in the midst of a supposed crisis where courts were not operating normally?

Here’s a full interview with the guy:

Liberty Bunker

Looks like the guy was just too nice and cooperative, a bit naive, so he got railroaded.

He was very naive. Sounds like he fell for all their tricks.

Great! I was going to ask someone for an update on him.

Seems pretty chirpy. All’s well that ends well, I suppose.

Though I bet if he’d insisted on a lawyer and refused to plead guilty, I bet he’d either have had the charges dropped or still be waiting for the process to get moving. Really there should be scope for an abuse of process or similar suit, because they clearly took advantage of him in a way that the courts had supposedly said they were going to stop doing..

“The corridors were eerily quiet as staff packed into the wards…”. Hmm.

…to practice Tik Tok dance routines?

EVERYONE please go over to @CathNoakes and take her up on this tweet:
“Very pleased we’ve been awarded @UKRI_News
funding to evaluate #covid risks on public transport. Looking forward to working with @Martin_Lopez_Ga
@MarcoFelipeKing
@ITSLeeds
and colleagues at @imperialcollege
@CambridgeMaths
Newcastle, @PHE_uk
Manchester, dstl & DfT. More soon.”

THE MORE FUNDING, THE MORE FARCE!

And no doubt the more MASKS!

Certainly looks like more modelling and we know how they make all that up.

Seems fear pays well…

Indeed, a friend of mine works at a University in Psysiology and has bagged himself a research grant (way back in April) for something Covid related. His girlfriend also bringing in some Covid funds though I couldn’t work out what she was actually doing from what he said – She’s another Phd who went into academia – big money, lots of holidays, hardly any work to do. If you’re in the ‘right’ sector within Academia at the moment it must be like you’ve won the lottery, non-stop funding for Covid related studys.

And of course all that mostly wasted largesse will come out of our pockets in the end.

for years global warming has been the gravy train . academics have been able to get grants from all over for doing research into any tosh as long as it was pro climate change. Which is why the BBC and the grauniad can forever come up with rubbish scare stories that start with “scientists say………”.
Now it is Covid.

Oops didn’t see your comment!

probably contemporaneous! and if it’s worth saying it’s worth repeating!..
I am going to think about the effects of climate change on covid – something like “how hospital staff sweat more when wearing useless masks because of global warming” . I reckon that’s a 20 week study and a £500 per week grant

You’re not experienced enough at this – a year and a half, at £1000 a week.

Covid obviously the new climate change scam

She makes it sound like a jolly with all her mates. Do these people ever grow up?

Hospital Admissions Over-Counted

Who puts these incompetent muppets in charge of counting things? They can’t even define what they’re looking for.

It wasn’t incompetence it was deliberate

What has this country come to when my 91 year old step father, who uses an inhaler every morning to counter his COPD doesn’t realise that it is actually dangerous for him to wear a mask in church. A church, I would add, that can seat 200 and rarely sees a congregation of more than 20 yet forces everyone to wear face nappies and does not allow singing or, even more ludicrously, the playing of the organ. How in the name of all that is holy have we ended up here?

Saw a post online from someone recently, a friend in the US. They gist of it was: they keep you away from schools. they keep you away from the churches. they keep you away from community centres; why? because that’s where people go to vote!

The droplets might fly into one ot the organ pipes and be shot into the air when the organist opens a stop?

From a story by H. P. Lovecraft ‘The Last Test’. Dr. Clarendon is the stereotype mad scientist prepared to experiment on any living creature including his sister..
“yes it may be horrible but it’s glorious too. The pursuit of knowledge, I mean. Certainly, there’s no slovenly sentiment connected with it. Doesn’t nature kill constantly and remorselessly, and are any but fools horrified at the struggle? Killings are necessary. They are the glory of science. We learn something from them, and we can’t sacrifice learning to sentiment. Here the sentimentalists howled against vaccination! They fear it will kill the child. Well, what if it does? How else can we discover the laws of disease concerned?”

I’m convinced that Nyarlathotep is behind all this. He is, after all, a big fan of Masks.

Hi – for anyone on Facebook there is a group “ Save Our Rights UK – A Real Democracy” with about 18k members which seems a good contact point on the lockdown and surrounding issues. It seems quite active – not with the analysis and erudition of this site obviously but may be interesting to some of you folks.
There are some local groups arranging meetups and nice picture of group in kent/surrey area who met up recently

i’ll try and post link here but if doesn’t work can search on the name above.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1121423668218275

I think there is quite a lot of different groups now forming on various platforms bringing peopel in touch – people sick of the bullshit being fed to us…

I’ve joined the group – looks OK but nowhere near as good as this LS comments section. I mainly use Facebook for my music, art & photography interests. As other FB users will have noticed, their advertising algorithms relentlessly promote companies selling masks, the more expensive the better. Comments below such posts (presumably filtered) say what a great product they are. But I did see something a bit different on FB today, an advert for the posh magazine Country Life with a headline something like How Covid Has Changed Everything. The comments below were about 90% sceptical or anti-lockdown, apart from a few idiots still parroting lines from about 4 months ago like “Don’t want to wear a mask? You won’t like a ventilator much”. I won’t insult our intelligence here by bothering to demolish that ludicrous statement.

& this is what we are up against, an 80 year old has went to the local rag to complain about his local carvery
Stupid old tit.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/toby-carvery-willerby-unsafe-hull-4443487

And on the same page:

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/second-wave-way-oxford-university-4443414

Who writes this shit. A room full of chimps sitting at typewriters would make more sense.

Hmmm. I wonder if that’s general Toby policy. Sounds like a sane venue.

If it were that dangerous the old prick would be dead weeks ago.

If only the old farts and bedwetters, including the yummy mummies intent on masking their little ones, would just stay behind their sofas, the rest of us could get on with our lives.

Is it any wonder some people are so frightened when you’ve got utter morons like this ‘advising’ governments?

Now Cath IS a bedwetter.

Idiot, walking or driving to the restaurant was far more risky than the chance of ctaching covid while there. The fools really have got it in to their heads that covid is the only danger in this world, otherwise they’d recognise that almost everything else we do day to day is more dangerous and we never worry about it. And I bet she was all for obeying the lockdown lunacy, yet she doesn’t mention the risks she posed to herself through vitamin D deficiency though.

A Toby Carvery customer has vowed to never go back during the pandemic as he felt they were “not taking regulations seriously”.

I’m sure he’ll be sorely missed…

The Brexit Party was a single cause party – that succeeded in its aims (though personally I disagreed with them).

How about a similar single issue party against COVID19 measures?

Farage might be the man to lead it. Not sure where he stands on bat flu, though. I bet he’s a sceptic.

I think (from one of his articles in the Telegraph a few months ago), unfortunately he was in favour of lockdown. On that, he follows a line of people who have disappointed on their lockdown stance – Melanie Philipps, Rod Liddle and Dominic Lawson, to name a few. Unless he has seen the light, we need to look elsewhere!

Farage is controlled opposition,any time he has an opportunity for real change he has backed away.He is used by the deep state to sweep up disaffected voters ,remember If he had stood his candidates in the election then we wouldn’t be in this mess

You can hardly plausibly claim brexit isn’t “real change”

“If he had stood his candidates in the election then we wouldn’t be in this mess “

Not a chance of that being true.

Really, he seemed disappointed when the Brexit vote happened,then immediately stepped down.He only appears when there is a chance of a movement that could affect real change and a government with a slim majority is a different animal than one with a 80 seat one.
Brexit is only the start.Instead of going to Washington via Brussels we just go direct now.

He said lockdown was done wrongly he is a skeptic.

CONvid 19

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-1046-6
Is pre symptomatic spread a major contributor to COVID-19 transmission? There is a Chinese article suggesting this The authors above in this recently posted letter above don’t believe this
“Although a request for viral shedding data was denied by the Guangzhou Eighth People’s Hospital, we believe that there could be potential issues with the interpretation of the data. ” “The model also predicts that infectiousness starts at 1.56 days before symptom onset but peaks at 2.32 days before symptom onset, but, because this is not biologically possible, one would have to assume that 1.56 days is both the start and peak of infectiousness, which is also a biologically implausible scenario. ” “Although many factors are involved with transmission efficiency, it appears that asymptomatic/presymptomatic transmission measured by direct contact tracing studies is lower than that predicted by COVID-19 transmission models” This is a complicated paper but of importance as the paper they criticize is heavily involved in the asymptomatic spreading agenda(mask wearing agenda)

https://youtu.be/D5Z6wdu1eI0

I think it is that study Dr John Campbell refers to briefly here.

Lockdown Sceptics has become a valued source of sane information and I thank you for your hard work in keeping up with the daily task of bringing it all together. Just one thing – your use of the term ‘bedwetter’ undermines the intelligent and appropriately exasperated tone of most of your editorial content. Images of anxious children and urine soaked sheets are distasteful, and the playground bullying tone strikes a wrong note. People are in the grip of fear and anxiety, conditioned by the scaremongering approach of government and media, much of it in the realms now of the delusional. This is a serious collective mental health as well as political issue, not a matter of personal weakness or stupidity, though people’s vulnerabilities are certainly bring manipulated.

Kind of, but whatever you call them, it’s going to have negative connotations. Their intelligence is less; their minds are weaker and more easily manipulated…

About the most positive thing I can call them is the ‘less enlightened’…

No… my mother follows the official narrative to the letter. Her intelligence is not less, her mind is not weaker, though she certainly has been manipulated.

She is of a generation that trusts everything the ‘experts’ and ‘trusted’ sources like the BBC have fed her. Any why not? In a sane world, experts should be trusted – they have utterly betrayed their positions of responsibility.

“experts” really have ABUSED their positions of responsibility and abused all of us too for their own financial gain. It’s just sickening.

I’m trying to think of any experts I trust fully. I can’t say there are any, at the moment! ‘Expertise’ refers to a low level, shop-floor, learned-on-the-job, narrow-minded, ‘skill’. I think Nicholas Taleb talks about this: your taxi driver is an ‘expert’ but there should be no such thing as an expert economist because economics is not a ‘job’ that you ‘get the hang of’ through practise or reading text books. The mistakes happen when you give ‘experts’ the power to run the world. Their vision is too narrow.

Absolutely Barney McGrew, this reminds me of a wonderful book called “The Master and his Emissary” by Iain McGilchrist about right and left brained thinking. We’re in a world that is far too left brained, everything broken down into smaller and smaller disconnected parts but the real treasure is in seeing the overall picture, the whole. We’ve become a nation of narrow experts who all think they’ve got the whole picture.

Economists, funnily enough, have made sensible predictions throughout the covid panicdemic, often highlighting the harms of lockdown, and how even during an “emergency” greatest threat to society is the threat of panic to infrastructure, not of covid to health. Plenty of economic research groups have seen and published the truths which epidemiologists were blind to. We mustn’t condemn experts in general, many do know what they’re doing, we need to condemn safety-ists in experts clothing and those fools in Ferguson’s field who don’t realise that the model is as much the data as the map is the territory.

My parents are also in this camp. I call them brainwashed.

I think back to a time long ago when I consulted an ‘expert’ in WW2 historical artifacts and his humility and brushing off of the expert label was telling. “I may have knowledge but I will never possibly know everything on this subject…I will still have much to learn even as I take my final breath in this life.”

I guess people rely on and trust experts because there’s not a chance in hell they can be bothered to look into things for themselves.

Sorry, I disagree. A large part of the reason we are in this mess is because of the stupidity, gullibility and laziness of the general public. If they could only put in the time and effort to think a bit and seek out sources of information other than the mainstream media then maybe enough pressure could be put on the government to put an end to this insanity. Most people on here are exasperated at this situation and calling people “bedwetters” is pretty mild really in the circumstances.

Yep, I quite agree, most people lack critical thinking skills, coupled with the innate desire to conform.

It’s almost like it’s been thought through…..

I shall call them whatever I like.

unfortunately too many people only take their news from MSM (some people actually believe the BBC) or from twitter. They wont even consider that their is an alternative

Indeed. My step mother cautioned me on using the internet for information while she watches MSNBC daily and displays obvious signs of Trump Derangement Syndrome. The television is right, the internet is wrong.

Too true. As a true crime buff, I’m often seeing comments indicating the principles underpinning the entire justice system of western civilization – namely, innocent until proven guilty in court, & the right to be judged by a jury of one’s peers – be completely thrown out, in favour of just asking some random on Twitter (i deally a leftist, because a leftist knows best) to sum up in a few characters, what any verdict & applicable sentence should be.

Bedwetter is too kind a word to describe the inexcusable level of conformity that these people display.

I think the term adds a flavour of the farcical nature of the Covid Secure mindset and acts as a counterpoint to the reality of Orwellian nightmare imposed on us. These pages have had me chuckling as well as being prepared to man the barricades.

After what we’ve been called, bedwetter is mild!

I find myself agreeing after being called a granny killer, QAnon Karen etc. the other day for merely engaging in a scientific debate on mask wearing. The ad hominem attacks on me were beyond the pale. While I don’t like the term bedwetter either, I must agree that those of us here have been called much worse. Should we go high when they go low? I’m past being nice; there is too much riding on this.

true!

Doesn’t it partly depend on who we think reads this site?

Personally if I were trying to persuade someone over to my point of view, I wouldn’t start by calling them names, unless I thought that might shock them to their senses.

But if we’re assuming it’s mainly sceptics who read this site, it possibly doesn’t much matter what they are called.

The zealots and those with agendas are the enemy who will probably never agree with us, the fearful and apathetic who have just been brainwashed probably deserve a measure of disapproval, but also, without wishing to sound patronising, some measure of pity.

I think we’re entitled to express our frustration.

For sure, and I share that frustration and anger.

I would love to be able to direct those who some of us have called ‘bedwetters’ to this site, but I am reluctant to because we have insulted them for their mistake in following the official narrative. How do we bring the misinformed round to the truth of the matter if we mock them?

Bear in mind that if we mock them, we are playing into the hands of those who seek to rule us by dividing us. We are doing their job for them. And that is the intention.

If mask wearers hurl abuse at us, attempt to shame us, treat us with contempt, we respond with compassion. We turn the other cheek. Otherwise we have already lost.

I try to limit the name calling but totally understand why it happens. It’s the greatest challenge to not look down on folks who eat up the official narrative.

We need two sites, one were we can let out all our anti-lockdown fury, one to tempt in the undeicded neutrals. Undecided neutrals by the way aren’t bed-wetters, I reserve that phrase for those who have really fallen hook line and sinker for the coronapanic narrative. The actual bed-wetters can’t be brought round to our way of thinking, but they are much rarer than undecided people.

Yes, I agree. We’re all better than that.

We should direct our attacks against the purveyors of the fear (who have been using expert psychological propaganda to achieve their nefarious aim), not those who fall for the confidence trick.

I prefer to call them the sheeple or the brainwashed. I think the connotations for the term bedwetters detract from our argument.

Brainwashed is a slightly more neutral term, and more accurate. But again, if you want to persuade someone, would you start by telling them they have been brainwashed, or that they have been misinformed and perhaps they would like to hear some alternative information. It’s horses for courses, and each case is different. But generally people who feel threatened or insulted just get defensive and stop listening.

I kind of agree, and I don’t use that term myself, maybe “scaredy-cats” if I need a short word. Likewise I refer to masks rather than the emotive muzzles. But above everything else I believe in freedom of speech, so any expressions that people want to use are fine by me.

Just passed a throng of trade unionists (an indignation of trade unionists) flag-waving not far from the town centre. There about thirty of them – I was happy to see they were all huddled together and best of all, I noticed none of them muzzled. Obviously the Covid is Socialist and avoids those waving red flags.

Glad to see even more evidence that being a sheeple vs. a sceptic has nothing to do with left vs. right.

However, left-wing woke mask-zealots would probably consider those trade unionists as far right because they are not masked up…

Yes, it’s quite amazing how small minded the zealots are. I was a New York Times, Washington Post liberal until all this went down. I should say I’m socially liberal and on the fiscal conservative side and have voted for both parties historically, but what I’ve discovered through all of this is that I am now a one issue voter and my issue is FREEDOM. There was never that much light between our 2 main political parties, and there still may not be, but my libertarian instincts from my teen and young adult years is back in force. It’s very disconcerting to be called a QAnon Karen for merely providing links to scientific research on the inefficacy of masks in preventing virus transmission. While I always hated the “woke” far-left progressives and think Trump is a malignant narcissist with dementia, I’m finding myself wondering who I’d vote for if I were American. But at 55 I pride myself in being able to remain objective and see this insanity for what it is, even if that means aligning myself with folks I’d never have imagined and with whom I don’t necessarily agree on everything. I think that’s what we all have in common here.

Great post! I am on the right side of politics, or shall I say, libertarian. There is nothing more important in life than FREEDOM. Talk to Eastern Europeans, Cambodians and Venezuelans and you will understand why. This is exactly what the globalists are trying to prevent, left and right coming together to defend what all human beings should cherish.
In regards of Trump, if you are a one issue voter, in spite of his shortcomings (narcissism, boastfulness, macho style etc) he believes in freedom.But let’s agree we first need to win this together, then we can friendly debate left vs right over a glass of beer!

You are the Canadian me.

Or I am the British you.

One or the other.

I’m a libertarian like you too, but left and right wingers really cannot understand how you can be anything but a left winger or right winger. They cannot get their heads around the idea of freedom being your top issue.

Judging by the responses others on here have had from their MP’s it seems they don’t feel themselves accountable for any of the oncoming economic misery going to be visited upon us shortly.
I’ve not yet had a response from my two local MP’s but I expect it’ll be 100% condescending drivel similar to what others have had sent back to them here.

With this in mind i’m wondering if it’s time to appeal to our MP’s more base instincts, ie survival?

It’s been obvious for a long time now that this thing has pretty much blown over and yet our MP’s quietly sit on their hands and let the Govt do whatever it wants regards Covid-19. I think the way to go from hereon in is contact them with all the evidence in hand (NHS England) and state that come the next election we’ll be standing against them. Not only that, we’ll be showing our fellow consituents the evidence which they ignored which could have saved both their jobs and lives of friends and loved ones, ie Cancer patients and diagnosis, missed operations etc.

The data is going to be completely damning and it’s obvious the majority of the population has absolutely no idea as to the reality on the ground in our hospitals. I think once we start seeing a climb in unemployment, peoples willingness to listen is going to follow with it.

All we need to do is inform them we’re compiling all the data provided by NHS England, that we’re compiling a database of their glib and dismissive responses and we’ll be using both against them come the next Election (if we ever have another of course!).

All the arrogance and conceit in the world isn’t going to save them from their constituents if people can see for themselves that these moron’s just went along with it all, even though they were informed by their own constituents of the reality of the situation!

Worth a shot?

Everything is worth a shot though we would need more numbers to make it really stick

If there was a credible political party that looked like it would take votes away from the incumbents, it would be a lot easier. But that party does not yet exist, though sooner or later it will need to be founded if we want to have any chance of getting out of this. The only ready-made party is the Brexit Party, but they are no use re the lockdown

I’ve made clear to my MP on a number of occasions that I voted for her and am a natural supporter of her party, but that she had crossed a red line and I would not be voting for her again, but she doesn’t care because she has a huge majority and I expect very few others, so far, have written to her to say this

Worth a shot?

Oh yes. Recommend 12-bore.

Just to be clear, I was meaning we should stand as independent candidates.

Or as suggested, someone could kinda merge the Brexit Party with a anti-Lockdown party. Bloc Party? I think that’s already taken!

I am a remainer, but right now I’d vote for f*cking Farage if he was standing against lockdown.

Do any politicians consider themselves to be accountable? It’s rare for one to resign because of a major cock-up that has a major affect on the country.

I’m sure every MP has every intention of investigating the possibility of considering accountability….!

…In the fullness of time, as Sir Humphrey would insist.

Morrison’s yesterday:

Turn left, go through the newly-installed electronic gates and you’re in Zombie Hell. Silent, worried eyes over every muzzle as they see our bare faces, some of them seemed to be clocking our exempt badges. All staff not behind a screen masked up. We were looking for tahini and a couple of young staff were helping us. In the next aisle, AG heard the girl say to the lad, ‘Pull it down, I can’t hear what you’re saying!’  He did.

Turn right, though, and you walk bare-faced into the crowded cafe. Every table occupied, not a mask in sight. Any shopper wanting the loo has to walk past the tables. No need to wear a mask, right, because you’re in the cafe. If you go shopping before/after your snack you turn back into a zombie. You’d think you were in a movie or a horror story, wouldn’t you?

All the above is in full compliance with Govt guidelines. Is it any wonder people are being driven insane?

After shopping, we waited for the bus. A familiar (muzzled) figure came out and hailed us, muffledly, from behind her mask. She was a woman from church who we like a lot with her hands full and she let AG unhook the muzzle from one ear so we could chat.   We had a fascinating conversation with her. She has bought into every single drop of the propaganda, even avoiding her own little great-grandchildren because ‘she doesn’t want to infect them’. She is puzzled because some of her friends are now meeting up (risky). We said ‘that’s great!’ and she said, ‘Do you think so?’ and we told her why. She said that she wished she’d met us months ago. Well, you never know and she did invite us to visit her beautiful garden!

A bloke we know got on the bus with a black jock-strap just over his mouth, the only other passenger. We had a chat (not about the crap) and we kicked ourselves afterwards for not telling him to take it off. Next time! MW

Because the virus is so tiny, it can make the fine distinction between the shop and the cafe. It’s actually smaller than a hamster! Isn’t science wonderful?

I stand in awe of it! MW

Mask on if standing, don’t forget.

;-0

It’s smarter than the average virus. Almost omnipresent and omniscient.

The virus is clever – it travels only in one direction, can make the distinction between different public places, can tell the time and date and so knows when to strike.

Anything else I missed?

Oh there’s more Bart Simpson… distinguishes clearly on race (per David Lammy & BLM); is more likely to target people of 6′ or 6’2″ than someone 5’8- 5’10, so I guess that makes it tallophobic? (think that was Uni. of Manchester who came up with that “analysis”, though not totally sure). Yes you’re right it knows about different public gatherings – Dr Ranj said on This Morning that anti-racism protests were absolutely OK, but gathering to celebrate a sporting event or other occasion requires different rules..

Well said. The virus knew to avoid VE Day street parties and especially BLM protests!!!

It has GPS.

North West News – we just won’t stop it! If you live in Oldham, Pendle or Blackburn, you will need to carefully ignore this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-53859865

we are

So the police choppers are going to busy again getting on with that really important police business of counting people in back gardens .
Looking forward to the next series of police camera action . “Sorry that this hazardous pursuit only included a car, The helicopter was busy breaking up a christening party”

Tostock Parish Council needs renaming:

TOSSPOT

You can contact the school mentioned in this article to complain at: tpamk.co.uk/contact.html

Done so. Awaiting knock on door from her maj’s finest.

The News Benders – from the BBC vaults, just amazing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pctbKP8avc

Is that Julian Barratt’s dad?

No – Nigel Davenport.. someone did post a link to this a few weeks ago … But still worth a watch

Yes, watching it now (I was only joking about JB – the actor looks very similar to him). And it has Donald Pleasance in it. Fantastic! Good find!

true .. But i think Davenport was a bit of a lad…. maybe he got about a bit!!!

Rick II posted a response to the bonkers restrictions our local community centre is imposing on users. He plays in an orchestra and he’s waiting for them to re-convene and his post ends, ‘ It was bad enough when Blair decided to bomb Baghdad. Now the government is carpet-bombing our own country.’

When Alan G and I protested against the Iraq war from 2003-6 (street corner vigil) one popular form of abuse/justification was ‘He’s killing his own people.’ No ironies, eh?

Anyway, AG and I also play(ed) in an orchestra and we entertain no hopes. It’s an older demographic than Rick’s and full of bedwetters. We cannot see what will ever make it safe for most of them. We will not be wearing masks to play our banjos (aka ‘cello and viola) or sit with zombies playing strings as, presumably, the wind sections will be outlawed.

Just suppose there was anything left to catch, there is no risk from wind players, at least in terms of a virus – as a recently-retired French horn player, I cannot answer for any risk to your musical sensibilities! The Vienna Philharmonic demonstrated this back in May, for God’s sake:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-vienna-philharmonic-virus-orchestras.html

The level of ignorance is stupendous and the fearmongering and psy-ops go on and on (just read Sam V’s post about Oldham etc.) MW

Miriam, sorry to hear of your Craft Club experience, and about your orchestra.

Re Craft Club, sounds like you’re the kind of person they will be very sorry to lose, anyone willing to give up their time to organise clubs is like gold dust. So fellow members might listen to you and be prepared to back you in resisting. You could just be surprised that some people who don’t want to be the first to speak up, are still unwilling to be pushed about and will miss the Club enough to want to get it going again.

Assuming you are in England, not Wales or Scotland, the first thing is to discover who is actually at the back of these restrictions. If the Club is renting the hall from a local authority and it is the Council saying these restrictions apply to all using the hall, then you need to approach the Clerk to the Council. You should request that the unnecessarily restrictive approach be put to the Council for a vote. As a courtesy, also write/speak to your local ward councillor, to put your case. Doesn’t really matter if that individual agrees or not, the point is they must help you to get it on the Council’s meeting agenda. You have the right to speak at the meeting, and present your case. You also need to marshal support, hopefully in written form, from others.
In other cases (Church hall? Community centre not run by council but by Board of Trustees, or charity limited by guarantee? Private premises??) you need to find out exactly who is mandating these restrictions and deal with them.
If the premises devolve the H&S risk assessment to each hirer, e.g. to the Club, then you’re just dealing with your own committee.Could be easier to get them to ease off, presented with facts and figures about risks, plus stressing that none of this stuff is law. And hammer the angle that no meetings, or meetings under these sterile conditions, is dangerous to mental health.

You don’t need any help from me on what to say, I’m sure. But you could start with:

Social Distancing

You could refer the responsible person to the laworfiction.com website for general reference. Then cite:
‘In Wales, the situation is more complicated because social distancing requirements, and need to ‘have regard to’ Welsh Government guidance, has been given the force of law.’

And say that the Club is not in Wales. None of this is law in England. It is merely ‘guidance’.

‘ Guidance is generally unenforceable but, as a matter of legal obligation, employers and controllers of premises are required to undertake evidence-based health and safety risk assessments. If there is no evidence of a significant danger, no mitigation is required.’

Point out that the Club can have a risk assessment which says there is no evidence of significant danger (which there isn’t, given CV19 is currently causing the deaths of far fewer people per week than flu or pneumonia – we aren’t socially distancing for them. Say that you can supply more facts and figures about the absence of ‘significant danger’ if required.

http://www.laworfiction.com/2020/07/risk-assessments-an-important-chink-in-the-lockdown-armour/

I guess AG could give you some better words here about what to put in the risk assessment if you are just doing it for your own Club – or even advise on what a local Council could put in its wording, if they are the hall hirer??

Track and Trace – taking personal details etc

The Track and Trace material on the government website is specifically described as ‘ Guidance ‘. The Club has no legal requirement whatsoever to collect names, addresses etc. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/maintaining-records-of-staff-customers-and-visitors-to-support-nhs-test-and-trace

It would have to destroy the material collected after 21 days anyway:
‘To support NHS Test and Trace, you should hold records for 21 days. This reflects the incubation period for COVID-19 (which can be up to 14 days) and an additional 7 days to allow time for testing and tracing. After 21 days, this information should be securely disposed of or deleted.’

‘Although this is voluntary , please encourage customers and visitors to share their details in order to support NHS Test and Trace and advise them that this information will only be used where necessary to help stop the spread of COVID-19. If a customer or visitor informs you that they do not want their details shared for the purposes of NHS Test and Trace, they can choose to opt out, and if they do so you should not share their information used for booking purposes with NHS Test and Trace. The accuracy of the information provided will be the responsibility of the individual who provides it. You do not have to verify an individual’s identity for NHS Test and Trace purposes.’

But perhaps you have a sign-in book for a session, for fire safety rules?

And so on for the rest of the measures. Best of luck.

Hi Sylvie, I really appreciate you doing this and thank you. Unfortunately, the Community Centre is run by a committee with Trustees. The chair of Craft Club also runs the Committee and she is the Karen’s Karen (!) Along with the other centre leaders she will find regulations within regulations and will enforce them to the letter.

I don’t want to sound defeatist but I would be banging my head against a brick wall trying to oppose this. Apart from any other consideration I would bet money that I’m the only person who has a problem with it. It is very depressing but it’s where I am. People do not like those who stick their neck out in villages and it’s very frustrating (and scary!) I don’t want to be proved right but I fear very much that I am, in terms of what’s in store for us all. Being able to say ‘I warned you’ won’t be much comfort when the shit really starts to hit the fan.

Orchestra is in a different area but I suspect the brainwashed majority will carry the day just the same. MW

I’d start a new club somewhere else or just fight her with the law just for the hell of it.

If I can’t occupy self at the club I’ll find a new hobby – annoying the committee and when they back down the rest of the village wills and up and say they agreed with you all along.

Thanks. It’s a village so I’ll not bother fighting it. I will just do my own thing (‘usually do!) Although I think you’re absolutely right. If this ever ends, everybody will have seen through it, all along. I think it was ever thus. MW

Understand, and sometimes life’s too short. But I’ve found unexpected support, you might be surprised the people who phone or message you if you did decide to take it on.Somebody else might also be itching to see Karen knocked off his/her perch!

Apologies for posting this link again but its such an excellent expose it needs as much publicity as possible imho. Thanks to the original poster for the link.

https://plandemicseries.com/

So sad! Wouldn’t send my children to a school with masks mandatory!

Nor me. My daughter will not wear them anyway.

Worrying trends also emerged in India as a new study suggested more than a quarter of Delhi’s 20 million people may have been infected without showing symptoms — backing up several similar studies.
The figures added urgency to the desperate bid to find a vaccine for the virus,….

Eh?!

So it’s worrying they have no symptoms. No, I don’t get it either.

Upside down logic.

Still showing 0 deaths in hospital on the 19th August.

I do not recall if this has been posted or discussed:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/boris-johnson-zero-covid-strategy-a4530041.html

Boris Johnson has been urged to commit to a “zero-Covid” approach across England by a group of MPs and peers.
In a letter to the Prime Minister, the All-Party Parliamentary Group on coronavirus called on the Government to maintain compulsory social distancing measures across the country until zero-Covid is achieved.

So he can be dictator forever. When does Il Duce finish his hols?

Il Duce came to a sticky end though along with his woman. Lampposts have many uses Bozo should bear that in mind.

Forever, then.
And we shall ignore them, forever.
God damn them to hell. Hell is for ever.

Zero-covid? So never, then. Accordingly, if these morons get their way we’ll have antisocial distancing and face nappies permanently.

It’s over when the Davos lot say it’s over. Johnson or indeed no international government is in charge of this shit show (or anything else). Just puppets giving the illusion of democracy

That is so true.

Should be advising zero-dementia, kills way more people see LS 2 hours ago

Some of them in the group have dementia, others are mentally ill!

By all publicly available statistics the virus is gone, and has been gone for months. Yet the “authorities” tighten and extend the restrictions further and further.

James Corbett coined the phrase “Medical Martial Law” earlier this year. This is what we are facing folks.

I don’t think I’d agree it has gone and has been gone for months but I would say that infections are mainly among the young where it is unlikely to have much effect. (Except in Preston where it is taken home to kill Granny).

How many of these ongoing infections are asymptomatic i.e. the immune system is doing its job and doesn’t need any assistance?

The genius of the virus narrative is that it will never be beaten. And there are dozens of new strains every year to keep the show going.

Of course it means our immune systems are doing their job, they’re integral to our survival. I think the sheep don’t even realise we even have one, and the fact is wearing masks inhibit the immune system from doing its job! You couldn’t make it up.

It has gone in terms of a public health emergency, if there ever was one.

“Group chairwoman, Liberal Democrat MP Layla Moran”

Ugh. Her again. I saw an interview with her, pre-election I think, and I thought she was barking mad back then…

These MPS and peers who call for Zero-Covid – traitors all.

She’s my MP. She had not responded to the emails & letters I’ve sent her since lockdown started.

Ugh indeed!

Zero-flu as well, morons?

Terrifyingly, I can imagine that happening as a further justification for maintaining restrictions indefinitely.

Zero death.

Wow, some real intellects in that group:

https://appgcoronavirus.marchforchange.uk/appg_details

Have any of them achieved anything in the ‘real world’!

Sadly, it is very hard to argue against safe-ism. Wouldn’t be shocked if Boris Johnson indulges this way of thinking. Safe-ism is politically safe.

Safe-ism is politically safe as long as people believe what they are being kept safe from is worse than the cost of the safety in economic and lost liberty and enjoyment terms. Imagine we had a limitless budget and could make beautiful TV commercials or films about Sweden, showing unmasked people dancing, empty hospitals, granny-hugging, low unemployment etc. Sooner or later people would start to think “I want some of that”.

Zero-COVID is the equivalent of closing your eyes and ears and wishing it had never happened.

Zero covid? Then he should be calling for the extinction of the human race which can be achieved by mass suicide.

He and Wancock should volunteer to go first.

Who sits on this All-Party Parliamentary Group?

Zero Covid along with zero carbon. I was called a conspiracy theorist for daring to link the connection to the Climate zealots. Doesn’t seem too mad now does it?

More Tegnell bashing in The Telegraph (paywall). Have a look at the comments, though (non-paywall):

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/21/swedens-neighbours-have-had-much-success-not-avoiding-lockdown/

What a puddled broadsheet they are. One minute sceptical, the next lockdownistas

At least they are giving both sides of the argument unlike most of the MSM who never publish anything that is sceptical.

Like journalists have independent minds and not just one hive brain? Who’d have thought it!

“journalists have independent minds”

That is highly debatable

This Mark Brolin twat really has it in for Sweden, just looks at his articles:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/mark-brolin/

Great comment ‘Did your wife run off with a Swede?’

Indeed. I recall highlighting disgraceful Brolin articles about Sweden here back in April, I think.

He really has been a disgrace on that topic and if the Telegraph had any concern for truth and honesty in its staff they’d be suspending him and investigating his reporting.

Dentist update.. This morning (on yesterday’s page) i mentioned my issue with my dentist. I phoned for a repeat prescription for a high flouride toothpaste that they had recommended last year. They said that under their new covid processes they wouldnt issue a prescription without seeing me and wouldnt see me as it was not an emergency.
I sent them an email about how illogical this was.
Anyway good news. They have just phoned me back and said yes they can issue a prescription. The receptionist was very apologetic and said that the rules were ever changing and so very confusing . She agreed that the whole thing was tosh anyway and i think was a sceptic.
One thing that did puzzle me was after confirming my details she then asked a load of covid questions . (living with anyone isolating, then asking if in the last two weeks had any covid symptoms – where she listed them one by one which took ages (as we know being alive is a covid symptom)) Clearly not relevant to the specific request of posting me a prescription so i wonder if this a data gathering exercise for NHS or others?

Bro the last thing i’d do is clean my teeth with fluoride toothpaste, that shit is real bad for you.

generally yes – especially for the young which is why it is prescription.. However for an old fart with dodgy teeth it is worth it

Just have to post agin as i have no idea how to mask a hamster, any suggestions?:

Looking into DELVE, which is part of the Royal Society:
https://rs-delve.github.io
This is their “facemarks study report”:
https://rs-delve.github.io/addenda/2020/07/07/masks-update.html
They are a data analytical group so no need for medical people, just data analysis.
Few gems from the “report/study” if you can call it that”

• A series of controlled experiments in a hamster SARS-CoV2 transmission model
• the majority of SARS-CoV2 infected individuals remain asymptomatic throughout infection. and “the index animal was “masked”’ – WTF?
• There are no human controlled trials on the efficacy of universal mask use in stemming SARS-CoV2 transmission.
• However, the conclusions of this study are not supported by the presented evidence , as summarized by a number of scientists requesting a retraction by the authors.

Underwhelming to say the least was my first and second impression reading through it.
Like the 6 countries study on diets it’s cherry picked data with what does not meet your preconceived ideas being ejected and not included – ergo, not mention of the 15 or 16 reals studies done using humans in surgical settings that contradict their finding completely.

Someone posted a link to this study and a precise of it a few days ago. Essentially they put a barrier between the hamster cages. Equivalent? Why no. No it isn’t.

How does that work? Can’t see it myself.

If this is what “intelligent” people with a university education call science nowadays glad I left school at 16 and went to work instead as I found 4 A-levels (applied maths, physics, electronic engineering and pure maths) boring and couldn’t face 2 more years at college and 3 at Uni to “get educated”.

I have never heard a hamster sneeze or cough.

The shit that’s passing for science these days is very scary. I discovered the other day that the authors of the only RCT of cloth vs. medical masks (cloth is useless, medical slightly better than useless) have now come out with an “opinion” piece calling for widespread masking — basically contradicting their own 2015 study in the BMJ, probably due to political pressure. I don’t know what’s worse, that they’d bow to political pressure or that they really now believe that their own research was crap.

Wondering why BBC is suddenly interested in virus transmission whilst singing? Item on TV last night showing a test in progress (clearly in an environment with no relationship to the real world) showing singing breaths travel further than talking breaths.(Another proof of the bleedin’ obvious) Same issue turned up on World at One on radio. Might just be coincidence of course…….

Because yesterday a study was published with evidence that singing carried bugs no further than ordinary breathing. See yesterday’s comments.
BBC Lie machine in action.

Can you repost that study, please? I’m lazy.

I read the BBC Website article about it. They just can’t help themselves can they? Singing and talking at low levels has the same spray says study. But the last word goes to a scientist who says: “The risks should not be overly underestimated or played down because of this – we don’t want choir members getting infected and potentially dying from Covid-19 whilst doing what they love.”
What a load of scaredy cat nonsense.

Some would say doing what you love is a perfect way to go.

I don’t think it was even part of the usual propaganda. It was just a study that had been done in response to the bullshit forced on groups meeting together.

It will lead to mandatory mask wearing whenever you’re out of your house……then the promise that a vaccine is our route back to ‘normal’. It will be voluntary but you won’t be able to lice a ‘normal’ life without it. The script has been written….

So tear up the script and throw it in their faces.

I can’t really beleive that merely sticking a needle in everyone’s arm is the goal of a sinister global conspiracy. If there is a conspiracy beind this then they aren’t interested in getting a chance to give everyone a vaccine, any conspiracy behind this is a lot more interested in harnessing track-and-trace systems for extending the reach of tyranny.

First find out what ingredients might make up the vaccine.

The tweet from Catherine Noakes about eating in a restaurant being ‘risky’ is – even at a time when one’s mouth involuntarily falls frequently open with disbelief – a corker.

How anyone with any claim to a scientific background (which I’ve always assumed includes a firm grasp of statistical concepts such as probability and risk) could perpetuate such patent nonsense whilst being a member of the group responsible for advice on the subject – is beyond any rational comprehension.

… although it would make sense if SAGE members were vetted to ensure high levels of incompetence and brown-nosing.

I really don’t think she believes it’s true. It was said for effect, IMO. She’s wicked, not stupid.

I guess that’s another interpretation – an even bigger indictment!

I just can’t believe anyone is that stupid.

Believe it!

Gulag for her when it’s all over

WHY did this reader test his/her family on return to the UK? “Want a lockdown? Get a test”
see Windswept Testing Facilities (above)A reader has been in touch to tell me about his testing experience when he came back from his hols.

To my astonishment, after asking me why I wanted to test myself and family (I said because we’d been travelling), the operator said it was a waste of time but yes, even if we had no symptoms and were not essential workers we could have one.

It took about 20 minutes for the whole family to self-administer the tests in the car, and we drove off leaving them to the deserted car park. That’s the way the money goes.

one of my housemates just came back from 4 weeks abroad. He is supposed to be isolating for 14 days. Certainly he is not going to work as they wont have him, but otherwise he is not isolating and none of the rest of us are and no one is going near a testing station.
Anyway we both think we had covid in february

Perhaps they thought (rationally, if incorrectly) that a negative test would get them off the quarantine hook. Or perhaps the ongoing government message ‘get tested, save lives’ ( read/hear if you don’t get a test you are a killer) has a powerful subliminal influence even on some of us who are sceptically inclined.

Dr Hilary Jones has become a bit of a wrong un, hasn’t he?

All tv doctors are nuts. Look at that Sarah Jarvis, nanny on steroids. We call her Scary Jarvis.

Am currently sitting on a train on my way into London bridge. Unmuzzled chap in his 30s diagonally opposite me. All others wearing nappies.

Strike up a chat with him. Show the others what they’re missing in social interaction.

Has there been any studies yet that link scepticism to productivity? I’d bet a pound to a penny that bedwetters are mostly made up of the retired, the furloughed and the work shy.

Don’t make generalisations while I’m around!
I’ve been retired for ahem a few years, still work part time but have been furloughed. It’s horrible not being able to work, I hate it.
So that’s all three of your assumptions blown out of the water.
I have been an angry sceptic for four months.

And the last thing we need is people trying to divide the little island community we have here. Spoken as a semi-retired, low-income, left-wing sceptic.

My situation is semi-similar, I’m younger, I like my job, I’ve been getting adequate pay throughout this panic crisis but I’m damn furious at not being able to work because of bed-wetting bosses.

Perhaps, however my OH was furloughed and is a complete sceptic so was desperate to go back to work (thankfully has been now since July), my teacher friend also desperate to go back to school and teach her year 11’s properly , and my retired grandfather broke lockdown many times to go on long bike rides etc and pretty much ignores all restrictions.
One of my more ‘bedwetting’ friends is currently working from home in her 3 bed house and large garden so lockdown has been more comfortable for her.

Maybe a study into scepticism and how comfortable you are physically (large house, outdoor space etc) and financially (still has a job and can work from home) could be an indicator.

FFS – stop trying to use this shambles to make childish sectarian nonsense. It’s far too serious for party games

Furloughed against my will. Worked throughout the furlough, doing voluntary work for my company that would help it bring in a small income stream while the business was more or less shut down. I did not treat the furlough as a holiday, as I know that a price will have to paid at some point, and did my bit to help cushion the company I work for, to hopefully secure my continuing employment.

I’m still furloughed from my normal well paid job, getting less than 50% of my normal wage due to the cap in place. Since March, I’ve taken on a really soul destroying job working 5 nights a week to make up some of the difference. Wish I wasn’t furloughed, it’s had a really bad impact on my family life, but I’m one of the ‘lucky’ ones as at least I still have some income!

I think the only things that make someone more likely to be a sceptic are a more critically thinking mind and a pragmatic approach to life in general. Scepticism seems to transcend education levels, income levels etc. Some people can just sense BS and others can’t, or are slower to.

Their BS meters need an overhaul and a tuneup.

Disagree. Those posting here sound like they are retired, furloughed and working, old, middle aged and young (from the ages cited yesterday alone), and range politically from anarchic to traditionalist. Some seem to have more than their fair share of health problems. Productivity in the usual sense is not a marker for scepticism.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people can respond to a comment asking a question… without answering the question

I would imagine that most people do not know whether there have been any studies into the matter so cannot answer your question. Instead, they are providing their own experiences in response to your theory.

If I had to guess I would say that there have almost certainly been no studies examining the link between productivity and scepticism. Question answered!

I’m retired and more cynical by the day. I want everyone back to their normal work and maskless in shops. Dont assume all oldies are bedwetters. Well not mentally, anyway.

Don’t forget financially well off as well.

DM headline

Pregnant women and new mothers died needlessly in lockdown after being denied intensive care beds or mental health services, Oxford University report finds

Still clapping for the NHS?

I heard that no post-natal care was provided. That’s not true, is it? Can’t be?

My daughter in law had a baby just before lockdown. Baby jaundiced but sent home 48 hours after birth. Had treatment at home for first week, but since then virtually nothing. No support other than friends and family. Baby has had routine vaccinations. Thank goodness my son was able to work from home. Unsurprisingly she has felt very down at times because of limitations and that is saying something because she is a doctor!

And no mums and baby groups which are so vital for the mental health of new mothers. Yet more collateral damage…

When we add up all the negatives we have to wonder what is their real game plan? They are too callous, indifferent and uncaring. It’s more than scandaous, it’s criminal!

Anecdotally from a good friend who gave birth during lockdown…yes there are post-natal wards as many women will have had surgery of some kind. However they’re not allowed visitors so it’s a sad solitary few days struggling with a newborn. After that all after-care at home is done over the phone.

Obviously there were no pre-natal classes either. The saddest part for me was that new mothers had to wear masks if having c-sections so unable to kiss their new babies or even let them see their face

It’s too depressing for words.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8650319/Pregnant-women-new-mothers-died-needlessly-lockdown-Oxford-University-report-finds.html
Here’s the link

This guidance document provides basic principles for pro-vaccine spokespersons on how to behave and respond to vocal vaccine deniers in a public debate. Vocal vaccine deniers are individuals who do not accept recommended vaccines, are not open to a change of mind no matter the scientific evidence and are actively advocating against vaccination. The guidance in this document was developed based on psychological research on persuasion, on research in public health and communication and on WHO risk communication guidelines. The guidance is primarily intended for spokespersons of health authorities who want to prepare for a public event with a vocal vaccine denier.

https://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/315761/Vocal-vaccine-deniers-guidance-document.pdf?ua=1

And…..

We know how they operate. They use key emotive prompt words and phrases like “safe”, “protect”, and “your child” while failing to communicate the warnings contained in the accompanying leaflets or explaining how a vaccine works.

LOL. Annnnd still I am unmoved. They can call me all the names they want it doesn’t stop me from thinking they are being gullible fools. They can mask up and vaccinate themselves I don’t care, but I won’t be joining them.

This is a really good practical document for sceptics to use, well done 2pence for finding it. We could all learn effective ways to argue the case against lockdown from it. Important, for example, to realise that you are not arguing to convince the vocal lockdownista, because you can’t. But the audience of the worried well will notice your reasonable demeanour. You can convey confidence, set high goals like getting all young people back into education/achieving natural immunity by mixing as much as possible/getting the economy in its feet again. Express moral conviction by talking about the collateral damage from cancer treatments lost, suicide etc., use rhetorical questions :”do we really want to give up our entire way of life and shut down our health service to deal with a disease less deadly than the flu?”
Prepare 3 key messages, keep them simple, repeat them. Be honest and transparent, and avoid humour – doesn’t work in a health context. Avoid repeating the pro lockdown arguments, as the brain remembers repeated messages more easily. Respond with correct info instead. Don’t question their motivation as it drags focus away from the facts and leaves room for their emotional narratives. Use inclusive terms, like”we as parents…as members of a community.. ” Underline scientific consensus, emphasise social benefits 1 like return to normal GP opening, theatre going etc. Lots of useful hints and tips for our daily communication with workmates, social circle, any sphere where you are known as a sensible person whose views are respected.

So they decided to expend energy already, the fools. It was done, finished, my battle lost. Suddenly re-engaged, and I straight up ruin their day. Oh boys and girls, today I am smiling!

what happened?

Literally just got back from our local Tesco’s, 95% muzzled shoppers, about 5 other normals.

I was hoping for some sort confrontation today as I’m totally pissed off with the whole clown show.

Waiting at the checkout, the geezer in front of me, packing his shopping away, had some sort cyberpunk-face face mask on, like his lower face was like fucking Johnny Mnemonic or something.

I had the overwhelming urge to punch him straight in his stupid face.

Instead, I……

a) looked away, embarrassed for him.
b) laughed out loud, pointing at him.
c) glared at him, provoking him to make eye contact with me.

c?

c, b, a

Sheep and bedwetters don’t realise that forcing others to change their lives in order to make themselves feel safe is an incredibly aggressive act.

I assume it is just a question of time before people who don’t want to be told how to live their lives start pushing back. There is only so much aggression one can take without responding.

Passive aggression on stilts.

Yes – I would suggest that inciontinence pads would be more appropriate than face masks – and less obtrusive

“ I assume it is just a question of time before people who don’t want to be told how to live their lives start pushing back .”

Already started,as per this posted here yesterday:

Man who was haranguing rail staff for not wearing face masks at busy London station is knocked unconscious by pram-pushing passerby – who was also bare-faced

Rage Against the Machine goes through my head all the time. Sometimes I start singing it (at home alone, my singing is terrible).

“F*** you, I won’t do what you tell me.”

I am so overwhelmingly sick and tired of being told what to do. It’s not like anyone gave a rat’s ass about me or my life before.

Bullet in the head…!

Start a new country for the sheep where they can graze at their leisure, wearing their masks.

That is why I now do click and collect shopping. Its quite brilliant really and I don’t have to mix with the sheep.

Agreed and I find I shop much more efficiently which is, I imagine, why Tesco are offering all sorts for actually shopping in store where you end up spending an extra 10% on impulse buys. My reason for so doing, since face nappies came in, is I think they are disgustingly insanitary and more likely to spread the colds, sickness, diarrhoea etc that I don’t want my daughter, who is having chemotherapy, getting.

Few extra unmuzzled in Tesco today but what was astonishing was how many people now wear their muzzles wrong or half-hearted so that they are useless and more comfortable.

They are almost ready for the next step of going out and not wearing one.

c?

Sorry, too late

1st prize goes to EssieSW

I’m not a scientist or a doctor

Could someone please explain how the PCR test works. I don’t mean in general terms.

What exactly does the test do

I ask because whole towns/cities are being locked up on the basis of these tests; yet, it would appear that those testing ‘positive’ are not ill.

So if they test positive but are not ill, do they ‘have’ the virus? If they have the virus can they infect other people?

I’m not qualified to explain, though I’ve read a few explanations on the web.

To summarise, inventing it won Kary Mullis a Nobel prize.

The PCR is designed to detect the presence of sections of RNA that are believed to be unique to the SARS COV 2 virus. These bits on RNA have been found in several studies to be present in some cases even when the live virus is not found for the person, which requires a separate test, PCR is not a way to test for live viruses. And these live virus secondary tests are rarely done. Dead fragments of viral RNA can be present in nasal and throat tissues for weeks and even months after one’s immune system has dealt with an earlier infection, often with only mild or no symptoms of illness.

PCRs test for a sample of the genetic material of the virus. So it would be a bit like looking for a page of a book by looking for a phrase that appears on that page.

People who test positive can not be ill for a number of reasons. Two that I’m aware of are:

1. They have the virus, but not enough of it to make them sick, so their immune system is coping with it before they present symptoms.
2. False positive. Because the test only tries to find a small matching part of the entire virus, this apparently leads to a number of false positives. How many seems to be a matter of great debate.

I’m not a virologist, but that’s what I’ve managed to discern from what I’ve read.

False positives could be as high as 5%. However, there are more false negatives I believe.

Yes usually about 30%.

I think it worth saying that the link between an RNA strand and a particular actual virus is highly suspect in the first place.

Why’s that suspect? The virus has been fully sequenced about 50,000 times so we have a pretty good idea of what RNA to look for.

They also may still have non-infectious fragments from Covid if they had it at some point, so they can be quarantined for an illness they already had and recovered from.

Here’s a couple of articles:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/

https://principia-scientific.com/was-the-covid-19-test-meant-to-detect-a-virus/

Thanks, astonishing, it was never intended for the purpose for which it’s being used

Yep that’s the gist of it.

I haven’t looked at the second one but that off-guardian article is fake news. 77th Brigade pissing in the knowledge pool.

The test is about 70% sensitive and 95% specific or better for detecting an active infection with a viable virus. This makes it a pretty decent tool per se.

Testing asymptomatic people in the UK right now is essentially pointless because of Bayes Theorem not because it’s a bad test in itself.

I read a good book on this recently that explained it well.

The HIV PCR test is thought to be be about 99.8% accurate. You are not having unprotected sex with a high risk population or an IV drug user. Your HIV test comes back positive. What is the probability that you have HIV?

Actually about 50% because the prevalence of HIV in the non risky population is so low that it’s equivalent to the risk of a false positive.

I have probably misremembered the numbers but you get the point. If something is a rare event (like being infected with corona), you need a very very very accurate test to detect it with any degree of precision.

Yes this is exactly the problem. Here is a corona example. Suppose the test is 70% sensitive and 99.5% specific, which are reasonable assumptions. So 30% of actual positives slip through the net and give you a negative test result, but 0.5% of actual negatives crop up as false positives.

At the height of the epidemic drive-thru testing in Bavaria was getting as high as 20% positive, or 50% or so in NYC. Some selection bias, but it’s likely that at the peak at least 20% of people are actually positive. But now the prevalence in the UK is somewhere around 0.05%.

If prevalence is 20% then with that 70%/99.5% test, a positive test means a 97.22% chance of having SARS2 and a negative test a 7.01% chance.

Now that it’s 0.05%, with the same test, positive means a 6.55% chance of having SARS2 and negative 0.02%.

So you would have more chance of having SARS2 if you tested negative at the end of March than if you were asymptomatic and tested positive now. But the PCR test is a good test. Just gotta know how and when to use it.

Thank you for the excellent explanation.In the height of the pandemic a clinical suspected case admitted to hospital was always tested twice in case the first test was negative as the risk of false negative was so high.
Still NZ requires two neg PCR tests to leave their concentration camps altough low negative percentage in their testing situation.

Be careful. The test is not complete trash. It’s a good tool for working out what infection you’re treating for people who are showing symptoms and you need to be sure. It’s a very bad tool for surveying a population for the asymptomatic presence of a virus on a large scale.

Any samples must be replicated many times in a laboratory to be able to detect any Corona RNA. The likelyhood of cross contamination and false positives is therefor quite high, especially in cheaper lab settings or if the lab does a lot of tests.
Sadly the governments around the world have had a theory presented in March, and now do not want to loose face by admitting they got it wrong. The education and protests have to come from the people.

It’s not quite high in the grand scheme of things. Somewhere between 0.05% and 5%. But when the thing you’re looking for is extremely rare (which it now is in the UK) this matters.

Don’t know if anyone’s asked this question as I’m coming to this update late and 300 plus comments is too much to scroll through but on the surface don’t those ‘stop press’ figures for increased hospital admissions in France seem a little alarming for those of us, like me, who think this virus is past its sell-by date? Anyone got an alternative take on that or are we looking at the dreaded second wave which I never really believed in? Given that France copped it earlier than we did at the beginning of the year are we going to see an increase here that will belie all us sceptics? Or are the figures being massaged? Bit concerned as I thought it was all over bar the shouting. Is this the excuse to muzzle us 24 hours a day?

The answer may be in today’s Telegraph article: in England, non-Covid cases admitted to hospital were bundled into the Covid count. There are many ways to fake statistics if the French authorities want to. Now GB has brought in a quarantine, they have a lot less to lose.

They are doing the same in some US states – anyone admitted to hospital for any reason is tested, and they are included in the stats if positive, even if they are not ill with covid.

Thanks for all your answers. I was suspecting similar to what most of you have said.

For every C-19 admission to hospitals and even ICUs you need to know whether they are admitted for C-19 disease. In the US, 25% of all admitted pregnant women have C-19.This just show they had C-19 previously and now admitted for pregnancy related causes but not true C-19 illness. In Spain, you could have RTA ending up in ICU but screened C-19 pos and stamped C-19 case ICU. Somebody needs to sift through the data now for true C-19 hospitalisations. It is not reliable.

I have always thought that countries like France and Spain that had very localised outbreaks in March but locked down the whole country would be susceptible to a wave of infections when lockdown was lifted. It wouldn’t be a second wave because they never had the first wave in many areas. Because the UK locked down later, after the virus had been allowed to spread further throughout the population, indeed it was already declining, in our much more densely populated country, I think we are much closer to herd immunity throughout the country. Herd immunity doesn’t mean cases will stop overnight but there won’t be enough people, without immunity, for the disease to spread exponentially.

That’s a good go at explaining it. Dr John Campbell touches on it here in what is a very uplifting presentation all over

https://youtu.be/D5Z6wdu1eI0

Yes. The UK numbers are reported as “the worst in Europe”. But, the point is that they are not particularly bad. Once you take the lower excess deaths now (from e.g. dementia and cancer) you end up with nothing unusual. Other countries may catch up, but it is not in an absolute sense bad.
1650 people die every day on average. We don’t have news reports and emotive photos of the loved one. It’s normal.

Seems to be part of a push for masks. I’m not sure where you’ve seen hospital numbers for France but I couldn’t see any in the article. I can see they’ve had 3,000 test positive, but their numbers are jumping around like mad, I imagine heavily heavily influenced by rate of testing. I wonder if their deaths are moving…

Unless they quantify what hospitalisation means too, it may just mean people checking in and out again in a day, or it may mean needing actual treatment. It could mean, like it turns out it does here, they’re going in for reason X and test positive, so they whack them down as Covid.

It continues to be a source of frustration that, since mandating masks ‘cases’ have gone up, and instead of pausing and having a think about that, they’re just mandating masks in more and more places. Where in the world has there been ANY evidence that masks have definitively helped? No where, and yet they are set to become part of every aspect of life. They are even mandating people riding bikes wear them in Toulouse now, which is SURELY a recipe for disaster? Hot and sweaty people exercising – stick a mask on, it’s good for you.

Has anyone looked at the ‘ Stop New Normal ‘ the new anti-lockdown website mentioned in the news round up today ? I just had a peek. They have an upcoming protest in London:

NO MORE LOCKDOWNS – Restore Jobs, Rights and Freedoms – NO to all Covid Vax programs No to Bill Gates Rule – Stop New Normal and New World Order.​Top Professional Doctors, Nurses and Campaigners Speaking OutWith Real truth about Covid-19 and the Plandemic

No New Normal ? It looks very much like the new normal to me, when you get a
respectable looking bunch of people coming together to protest the New World Order.

I wonder if the fact that Toby listed this is a sign that he is becomingi more conspiratorially minded? Or a hint to the conspiratorially minded among us here to migrate? Or just that Lockdown Sceptics is a broad church ? ( I am in a mischievous mood today.)

We should be a broad church though personally I think we’re better off sticking to a core message that the virus is demonstrably not as dangerous as first thought and that lockdown and continuing measures are disproportionate and harmful on many levels. I think that’s easier to sell.

I think the position on vaccines should be that they may be of limited use to some, in the same way that flu vaccines are, but there should be proper testing and no compulsion

The NWO stuff may or may not be true, but I think it is harder to sell to a mainstream audience. It’s a question of tactics.

I agree. The rhetoric of the conspiracy theorist just makes it easy for you to be disregarded by the people who we need to change the minds of if we are to achieve anything.

Also agree. I’m just not a believer in conspiracy theories. It’s imparting far too much intelligence to people who are in reality thick as mince. Incompetence always wins over conspiracy.

It’s already too easy for the coronamaniacs to dismiss any narrative that challenges the mainstream presentation of the pandemic without giving them extra ammo that we are all conspiracy theory enthusiasts.

I agree with you all about the core message. I agree the ones in charge are as thick as mince. But. are they really the ones in charge ?

Intelligence that has locked up most of the world for five months and counting ?

Maybe you mean something else by ‘mince’ though ?

“ I think we’re better off sticking to a core message”

I totally agree. Being diverted into other mere hobby-horses simply dilutes the message – and risks alienating many that you want to recruit.

I guess many of us know how difficult it is to get over that core simple, objective message against a barrage of brain-washing. Confusing it with contestable political views does no service at all, as it contaminates the factual with the disputable.

Personally I don’t think this is too bad a stance to take – below is from StandupX website – also contributing to the Trafalgar Square demo. Sounds pretty democratic to me – a ‘broad church.’ And as I’ve said before – I’m a bit tired of writing and reading comments and emailing MP’s…

We are a community of struggle against the New Normal.

We include many views and many minds of individuals and wide-ranging groups.

We March Separately and Strike Together.

We welcome all people questioning the mainstream narrative to come meet us, join in discussions, and participate in peaceful rallies.

That sounds wonderful – people are really starting to question things.

Core message all the way!

I agree. I don’t think disputing the interpretation is that difficult. In fact, I am getting a bit surprised that more doctors and health professionals are not raising their voices. It is quite obvious that the data about admissions and deaths do not add up to a pandemic. They add up to a case of medical hysteria.

They are afraid of losing their jobs, that’s why.

One problem we have as lockdown sceptics is that ALL of us are conflated with the 5G crowd, anti-vaxxers, NWO-ers, lizard gang, etc. To actually use them as a means to persuade people to come over to our way of thinking will not work. Whatever you think of the theories/beliefs.

Another snag is that the left-wing press paint us as ultra-right wing hardline Brexiteers; and the right-wing press paint us as crypto-Communist ultra ultra Remainers, doing our very best to undo Brexit and bring down the government.

I have little doubt that we have people on the sceptic team who subscribe to a number of the views listed above, but I think all of us just want to see the end of the lockdown and a return to normality, with all its faults. The rest, as somebody else here put it, is flim-flam.

We can get on with disagreeing over who controls whom, whose needles we want, or don’t want, to get stuck with, and squabbling how we want to make normality better after we have seen the resumption of that normality, complete with civil liberties and rights restored.

Wise words.
First slay the dragon.

Might help to show up to such a protest with some signs like:”vaccines work, lockdowns don’t”, “5G is mere hype, lockdown is total tripe”, see if the crooks in the BBC who report on it would let those signs get in to the “frontpage” pictures of the event and probe that we aren’t all “crazies*”.

*not that the even the very most outlandish of “conspiracy theories” seem as mad as what the coronanists are willing to put up with in service of their fear

So true. I don’t understand why they believe the lunacy.

5G is part of the New World Order Master Plan. Ignore it at your peril.

No needles. Thank you.

I would like to see the immediate priority being an all- out assault on the social distancing measures, to demonstrate that schools can and must go back to normal at the beginning of September. Because that is where parents are likely to be digging in their heels understandably cautious. The measures are socially damaging, ineffectual, expensive, unnecessary, and impossible to police. Once the kids are back and Mum can go back to work, I think fear will be dispelled (as nothing will happen). As an adult I just ignore the masks thing, this to me is a far higher priority.

Selling it to the mainstream audience really matters, as does keeping the conspiracy minded onside (we need every lockdown sceptic to stand together on this). I think it wisest not to discuss, and also not to deny, conspiracies, we can’t tell if they are or aren’t true. What we can see is the measurable effects of the lockdown disaster, regardless of cause. Those measuarble effects are undisputable to the mainstream and the conspiracy minded.

I have followed the work of alternative researchers of many stripes for decades with great interest, and will continue to do so, but I am in complete agreement that for the purposes of the message that people need to hear right now we need to stick to facts in specifically targeted areas that can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Speculation is all well and good but only serves to dilute and obfuscate. We cannot afford ourselves this luxury when engaging with others.

Yesterday evening I suggested that we should collaborate on a creating a handy summary of the key sceptic positions that could be distributed widely. It would be a small gesture but every little helps.

Richard O I was thinking exactly the same thing about collaborating on key sceptic positions ! Mind you , writing sceptical comments in the Daily Mail gives a pretty good idea of what works and what doesn’t. My favourite comment at the moment is one from Alan Jones ( mentions Australia but adaptable for UK) :

Covid -19 doesn’t even make the top 50 causes of death in Australia.

That’s blown a few minds

Exactly, when you see the polls conducted in the USA recently about people’s perception of the death figures the lack of knowledge of official state statistics, freely available on government websites, is absolutely staggering.

In addition to straightforward facts such as the above, we can also focus on more qualitative issues such as highlighting the inconsistencies of government regulations.

What alerted me to this idea was how well expressed and constructed so many of the comments here are. Using that as a basis, we must have a wide enough pool of skills in this group that can be utilised to create something useful (graphic design, legal, scientific, creative, narrative etc.).

You are right. We need a mix of skills to develop a robust alternative narrative.

There are many people on here who write very well and are well informed

What we lack is the financial muscle to get the message to millions of people

Vote leave spent £6M in the Brexit campaign, and started with many more supporters than we have

I can’t see how we’ll get anywhere without some rich benefactors who underwrite a professionally managed media campaign

There must be some very p***ed off business owners wanting to do something.

Yes it really is staggering how many people can’t think for themselves. People are stunned when I tell them how many people die of cancer every day. Can you imagine if the govt put as much effort into eliminating cancer as they do for this imaginary pandemic ? That would really make a difference to everyone.

Put that on a banner.

Conspiratorially minded my arse. Sybil Fawlty’s specialist subject, innit.

My personal view is towards a broad church, who cares if it is a concspiracy or a cockup as long as we are doing things so it can’t keep happening. Also I’m never sure whether to blame conspiracy or cockup, the other of the two becomes more convincing with each new headline.

Took the kids onto the Mersey Ferry today. Got asked three times about wearing a mask: first when boarding, then when I went up a level a PCSO came right up to me and demanded to know where my face covering was. 5 minutes later another PCSO demanded to know where it was. Two PCSOs in the ferry going back and forth all day….I’m sure there is real crime out there that they could be assisting with….

PCSOs,tin-pot pretend coppers,civvies with a uniform and a radio and usually egos well above their station.

Colloquially known as CHIMPS – Completely Hopeless In Most Policing Situations.

Just wondered were you wearing any sort of exemption badge? And were the PCSOs OK with your reasonable excuse?

My student daughter has just been notified that the college bar and common room will be closed ’ due to Co Vid’. So the ‘ bubble’ of 30 students can all meet and socialise – just outside. They Can also of course all congregate down the pub – but they’ll just have to pay non subsidised prices. What idiot seriously thinks this will make a hot of difference to how much young healthy people, who are at virtually no risk whatsoever, will mix together. I despair. How will anyone ever meet anyone and procreate? Or is this the hidden agenda? Is no one allowed to have fun or behave like a normal human being any more?

“ Is no one allowed to have fun or behave like a normal human being any more?”

You jest – but may be closer to the truth than you think in this experiment of control psychology devised by the Mengeles of the Mind who infest SPI-B.

“How will anyone ever meet anyone and procreate?” Well, they just do what (the &*%$) they like wholly without any reference to Government diktat. It’s easy.

My bf is in a similar situation to your daughter – being forced to live in a ‘bubble’ of 15 people in his accommodation with all activities severely restricted. He reckons that students will comply for the first week but once they start seeing their friends and drinking again, it will all go out of the window. A lot of his friends live in private rented accommodation so I imagine a lot of young people will be meeting in those kinds of places.

just have house parties like in my student days – blimey that was a long time ago now but fond memories!!

watch out for the policy helicopters (making sensible use of expensive resources) filming you from on high

meant to say “police” helicopters.. But there again they are not investigating crimes, they are implementing government policy …. so not necessarily incorrect

Doing anything much like fun is going to have to happen in private for the forseeable future. Like Christians in China.

When I was at college in the 70s I thought it couldn’t get any worse than the three day week and power cuts. Well I was certainly wrong there. My advice is fuck ’em, just do what you want to do.

Surprised if it lasts a week …

At Girton in the early days, cocoa parties with a couple of friends were the height of social dissipation. You make the best of what you’ve got…

Was still true in the 60s, I had 30/- a week for everything outside of college meals, including books. Didn’t stop us having fun, though…

Yep we are being told to stop living in order to stay alive

Exactly.
Zombies exist.
Human beings live.
We choose.
They choose.
Who wins?

I think it’s just to avoid legal liability if someone catches “it” on campus. As long as they catch it off university campus down the pub or wherever else, no one cares.

What the manglement idiots don’t have the sene to realise is that any bed-wetetr who wished to sue for catching it would be unable to prove that they’d caught it on campus, just as likely they caught it in a pub, on the bus, while shopping… No-one has ever been able to sue for catching flu, they can’t prove beyond reasonable doubt that they caught it from the person/organisation they are accusing, covid is no different (and not much worse a disease that actual influenza either)

Precisely.

We were out chain sawing fallen trees this morning, now there is an activity where you really do need full PPE. Someone mention that an acquaintance had been caught speeding and offered a speed awareness course rather than points on their licence. However, because of Covid the Speed Awareness Course had to be done by a ‘zoom’ meeting …….. you just could not make it up!

This is indeed true. The better half is doing his zoom speed awareness course tomorrow. He has a cardboard cut out of himself all ready to place in front of his computer whilst he goes out and does something less boring instead ….

that’s a shame – i did one of these quite a few years ago now and was at a Hilton hotel and they had coffee and rather yummy biscuits if i recall!!!
Actually the 2/3 hour course was quite interesting though can’t remember much of it now!

I’ve had two of them (I think they must have got their records messed up). Can’t remember much of either tbh.

I learned how to fit a ciggie, going to the gents, and making a cup of tea in the ridiculous five minute breaks.

Potentially useful life skill.

Yes, on most courses you learn something even if it’s not what you were supposed to learn. I was once on a Customer Awareness course but all I remember is that there were some leftover chocolate éclairs at lunchtime but they had been cleared away before the afternoon tea break. So I learned the lesson to grab things while they’re there, because they may not be there later.

Great. Take a leaf out of the school pupils’ book: log on to Zoom, then minimise that screen and get on with what you really want to do.

Well that’s better than a regular one, when they make you turn your phone off altogether (I’ve done 2….I am the annoying one who knows all the facts and stats on deaths and injuries)

All throughout this episode, ICNARC has kept records of patients with Covid-19 in ICUs in Northern Ireland, England and Wales. To date (to the last report at the end of last month) there have been 13,379 admissions. On 10th April ICNARC reported 4690 accumulative admissions. If 20,000 were being admitted to hospital at this time, the ICNARC data suggests the vast majority didn’t have Covid-19 (because at the point people need to be hospitalised, they also need escalated treatment to stop a quick deterioration).

The scandal is that this data has been kept quiet. We would expect corporate-media to overlook the material, but alternative media failed miserably. Why? Hitchens even told his twitter followers that the data didn’t exist.

http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/03/icnarcs-new-covid-19-report-the-disease-is-still-discriminatory-despite-efforts-to-find-young-and-healthy-victims-peak-hinted-at/

Your link is dated March 29th?

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/aug/21/make-covid-19-tests-compulsory-for-university-students-say-scientists-sage

Beyond furious at the interfering f***wits on this SAGE group. Can they really contrive to make life any more miserable for young people than this? Why are they not looking at the data and concluding that this ‘advice’ is completely unwarranted? Why are students not protesting about this right now?

I only have very limited anecdotal evidence but from what I have heard lots of students are either quite fearful or quite accepting of the narrative.

The NUS seems to be going along with it.

Yes. So depressing.

And they always used to defy authority on principle.
Pathetic.

But they never defy the woke narrative.

They’re finding it increasingly difficult now that someone has dug up articles from the dim & distant past indicating Kamala Harris’ descendants owned enough slaves to start a Football league…!

Students aren’t protesting because they’re not told to. It’s that simple… they protest Boris, or Trump because someone tells them to.. they protest statues because someone tells them “they’re all racist”; witness the recent statue slayings: multiple young people on camera, asked if they supported attacking or removing the statue of [Churchill / Bristol slave trader / whoever else] – several had literally no idea what they were doing despite the fact they were in the middle of a protest.

Breakfast TV (either This Morning or GMB) had a student representative talking about potentially getting rid of the Churchill statue. She was asked the reason for her position – and said she wasn’t totally sure about him because she hadn’t met Churchill in person.

This is “Independent” SAGE, nothing to do with SAGE apart from impersonating and trying to outdo them in egregiousness at every opportunity.

“Independent” SAGE are also hardcore lefties so fully on the woke narrative.

Just had a professional salon haircut for the first time since February – it’s only taken me so long because I quite liked not paying for a short back and sides, but my sister’s/boyfriend’s cutting skills are just not salon quality and I want to support my local businesses.

Really refreshing – didn’t have to wear a mask and I wasn’t bombarded with pre-appointment emails full of ridiculous and unnecessary restrictions. It is a very small hair salon with only one member of staff present but it was still nice as I was worried I would have to comply with ludicrous measures which would make it a chore. Had a chat with the hairdresser about everything – she said she hated wearing the masks (especially with the heat from the hairdryers) and that the UK didn’t seem to have a plan for anything (she is from Turkey). Had a good old bitch about Johnson though…!

Me too! I said no to masks (“I’m exempt”….”no problem!”) and so it seems did most other customers. Poor staff were wearing them though.

My lovely colourist said that at the beginning of all this her impression from the BBC was that we were all going to die and she was terrified. Those fuckers have a lot to answer for.

Now she is fine as nobody she knows has even got sick, let alone died.

Also, nobody questioned me about lack of mask on the tube.

A must listen, Sherri Tenpenny on Richie Allen, April 21, 2020. The interview begins at minute 17.

https://player.fm/series/the-richie-allen-show/the-richie-allen-radio-show-tuesday-april-21st-2020

SARS-COV to ACE2 binding and the dangerous Covid-19 truth

I am now no longer a mask virgin. I have been purposely avoiding shops and establishments that mandate masks because there is no way i will wear one and i really don’t want the confrontation.
I have patiently been reading other contributors experiences and knew one day i would do it, and so today, half way round my 60mile cycle route i stopped for a coffee at a motorway service station (it’s one where you come off the motorway to use it). There is no way i am wearing a mask while still sweaty from riding.
Every one was wearing a mask, including my cycling mate, except me and it was pretty packed.
I wondered how i would feel and i was happy to report no-one said anything, everyone looked away and i felt great, happy to breathe air not snot and dribble like they must do.
I actually felt anger, confident anger towards these people meekly following the “rules”.
That’s it for me now! No mask ever!

Well in!! Takes guts to be the only one

Welcome! No surrender.

Welcome. I live in Wales where such things are not required (except on public transport), so never carry one with me. That’s the reason, honest! A few funny looks in the cafe at Dunham Massey, but I did note that those sitting down put their used face nappies on the tables…. triple yuk.

Oh, and for some reason they wanted you to wear a face nappy in the toilets, despite a “one in, one out~” policy. Yeah, whatever. Didn’t have one, didn’t wear one.

You don’t have to wear masks in cafes yet unless you’re buying a take-away (not always followed from what I’ve seen). I think they must make their own rules in Dunham Massey! MW

Cheers!

Yay! Join the gang

Well done. Once you’ve done it the first time, it becomes easier.

Just reading the blog post for today and the pic of the kids at their desks all shielded up sends a shot of revulsion through my gut. I’m at a loss for words. I feel for any of you with young children to care for.

I was already home-educating my 6-year-old before all this (not keen on schools in general) and I have never been more glad!

Just interested… how does home schooling work insofar as central/local government involvement is concerned? For example do social service busybodies come around and “assess” your teaching standards, curriculum etc.? Or do have a freehand to do as you please?

I home educated my lot years ago but I dont think things have changed much since. We had an ofsted inspection once a year because my kids were in school and removed from it – to travel round Europe in an old school bus. Best education ever.
I had a friend who never sent her kids in the first place and they were never inspected.
We had a free hand in deciding what constituted an education – we just had to offer some justification to local ed authority. Ofsted inspector said coming into people’s homes and talking to EO kids was the highlight of his job. My kids loved showing their stuff to him.
Higher education establishments usually welcome EO kids with open arms. My daughter was given an unconditional offer at a quality establishment with no exams at all.

Thanks for the insight.
I can see this will become an appealing option to some parents if the current bs continues.

Maybe we should set up a sceptics’ education network to offer tuition to kids whose parents won’t let them be treated in such an appalling way.
Lots of expertise around on this site! Some sane science, for a start! And people who can interpret graphs and know what ‘per cent’ means!

I’d be well up for supporting any parent who wanted to educate their kids otherwise.

Earlier published the article by Robert Redfield CDC from July in JAMA advocating facemasks. Publishing now this as antidote, which was produced at the same time. Just shows that this thing is not at all settled as MSM tries to persuade us. In fact, as influenza clearly has RCT (randomised control trials) evidence against use of face masks for the public, you would assume to have rather strong evidence for C-19 .But there is no RCT and indeed their evidence is not of any standard at all for face masks in C-19 pandemic.

Iaacs Published June 2020 below Redfield CDC JAMA published July 2020

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7323223/

Do facemasks protect against COVID‐19?
“An infectious diseases expert, Isaacs has been a member of every national immunisation committee for the past 25 years. He is a professor in the Sydney University medical faculty and a consultant at the Westmead campus of the Children’s Hospital. Last year, he published a history of vaccines and pandemics, Defeating the Ministers of Death”

Quotes from article

“There is no good evidence that facemasks protect the public against infection with respiratory viruses, including COVID‐19. ”

“Indeed, experiments have shown that surgical and cotton masks do not trap the SARS‐CoV‐2 (COVID‐19) virus, which can be detected on the outer surface of the masks for up to 7 days Thus, a pre‐symptomatic or mildly infected person wearing a facemask for hours without changing it and without washing hands every time they touched the mask could paradoxically increase the risk of infecting others “

“Because the USA is in a desperate situation, their Centers for Disease Control has recommended the public wear homemade cloth masks. This was essentially done in an effort to try and reduce community transmission, especially from people who may not perceive themselves to be symptomatic, rather than to protect the wearer, although the evidence for this is scant. ”

Looked up in the dictionary US scant provide grudgingly or in insufficient amounts.I think Isaacs is a bit diplomatic about Robert Redfield CDC

https://www.afr.com/policy/health-and-education/the-time-has-come-to-end-the-coronavirus-panic-20200402-p54gap

This is a rather popular journalism and an interview with Isaacs. Important, the interview is in April at the height of the pandemic in Australia and has the flavour of it. Isaacs (his father was one of the discoverers of interferon) is a big name in the world of infectious diseases. His article about face masks carry heavy weight as the CEBM discussion of facemasks finding no evidence

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/

They really must:

1. be taking the piss
2. seeing how far people can be pushed before they snap and fight back
3. really do think “we” are animals

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-08-20-service-industry-workers-maine-dog-cones-coronavirus.html

It has to be against some human rights law.

Few extra unmuzzled in Tesco today but what was astonishing was how many people now wear their muzzles wrong or half-hearted so that they are useless and more comfortable.

They are almost ready for the next step of going out and not wearing one.

The half hearted compliance with which school ties are worn? Removed and shoved in a pocket or bag as soon as possible…

Just like that with shirt top button undone.

Oh crumbs, the things I did to my school hat.

My observation too – Tescos Osterley, West London. Still over 90% masked but this week a noticeable increase in no mask or half hearted.

Think you may well be right.

I noticed on the tube today that lots of people wear them on their chins only. Weirdness.

That’s the only positive thing I could take from my recent travels, ie a fair few people wearing them half-mast.

Zero in 2020 what does the word actually mean? It’s just so subjective. Top of the page zero may be kind of a space filling character to be updated later. A temporary zero, nothing too hairy about that.

Whereas the concept of Covid Zero completely might not mean what you thought it did, or does it? Fresh from the twitter pages of the esteemed devi sridhar is this –

5h
[Commenting about a tweet from a ‘Lib Dem’] It’s about orienting around a Zero COVID strategy. It doesn’t mean 0 cases. It means no acceptable number of cases. Constant push to 0 & to get rid of virus. Stopping community transmission. Hard to re-open schools without taking this ‘elimination’ approach

Here Zero means zero, until we tell you zero means not zero but ‘elimination’, or ‘some cases, but not that many’. Don’t forget to play along in their little make pretend game.

Well, I suppose she’s admitting they won’t achieve zero, but that’s of no consolation because she thinks they should try. In fact it’s worse because they will be trying forever. And tying reopening schools to this is especially evil because if you’re against it then you don’t want children to have an education. Despicable.

It’s not just that they’ll be trying forever, but they’re looking to set a precedent of doing it forever with everything that is judged as or more deadly.

By selling it as zero but suggesting it’s not leaves them as much room as they like to insist any figure.
Movable goals posts is what my friday afternoon brain is trying to say. Who is setting the tolerance from zero – arbitrary as it is. The number directly affects our lives.
Who consented to this k8nd or rulership?

What an absolute gobshite. There is no strategy more harmful than failing to achieve Covid Zero.

Look how well it worked in New Zealand.

This is now utterly ridiculous. The BBC is continuing with its campaign to reinforce the use of masks, to embed the idea of a dangerous risk of infection, and we have ZERO deaths with/from Covid, while we continue to have the routine 1650 deaths per day from all causes, including all the usual terminal illnesses, and INCLUDING flu and pneumonia, which seem to be miraculously impervious to masks.

If there was any intelligent life in the News department of the BBC, it would surely be in a tailspin of “does not compute”.

Don’t give ’em ideas regarding flu and pneumonia.

I know! It’s a risky strategy. Tell them that more people are dying of flu and pneumonia and they might try even more extreme measures to prevent it.

Seriously, I think this comes from a lack of rigour or absence of clarity in reporting cause of death. The elderly and terminally ill usually die of an infection. What is the “cause”?

What we can see now is the displacement of the usual causes. Unless Covid actually cures cancer, then the people who died with cancer must have had terminal cancer (for example).

Oh, there’s intelligent life there. Their intelligence is being employed in the service of evil agendas.

The thing is that they’re not evil in themselves – just unthinkingly banal (remember the phrase?)

It’s a distinction without a difference.

They’re going to get in knots soon trying to convince people that dancing is OK as their flagship “Strictly” is looming on the horizon.

Glittery glamorous masks being designed at this minute.

They’ll be in trouble when a pro or celeb ends up having a hypoxic or hypercapnia attack.

That is going to be amusing. Short skirts, boobs akimbo and a flipping mask.

I thought they might cancel it but saw it was going ahead. It’s going to be really interesting to see how they do it as there are just so many aspects (crowded dressing rooms, crowding on the viewing platform, singing in a studio etc etc) of the show that could cause trouble for them.

Shows how well the masks are working is what they would say.

But not against flu and pneumonia. Curious, that.

“If there was any intelligent life in the News department of the BBC” We can only dream.

I now live in a country where the local authority bin man, or parking attendant can imprison me for the rest of my natural life.

No charge, no trial, no lawyer, no jury, no appeal

The Dictator and what are described as MP’s think this is OK

Is it time we taught them a lesson?

Yes,Cecil,I think it is.

More local lockdown – Oldham now and Birmingham threatened. Obviously if deaths are at zero and hospitals with negligible numbers of patients then we must extend lockdowns whenever the slightest excuse can be found.

… and thereby hangs the rationale.

https://youtu.be/iHi6qccp0aY (Jason Liosatos Outside The Box)

This is a nursing assistant in a Devon hospital speaking anonymously. The main points she makes are:

• The 3 largest Devon hospitals have been C19 free for weeks
• Many medical staff will not speak out as they, too, are brainwashed by the media propaganda
• Some pretty horrible things went on on the C19 wards e.g.one was closed off and the 6 elderly patients denied toilets and showers for 2 weeks
• One old lady who recovered from C19 was not allowed to go home because the hospital wouldn’t re-test her
• As the C19 cases disappeared, masks were mandated at all times and now medics are getting sick. One of her colleagues is getting heart problems and she herself has breathing difficulties. Lots are complaining of headaches.
• People are not being admitted or treated for serious conditions

She also talked about ‘an app’ but I’m not clear which one she meant. She seemed to think that it would produce multiple positives and therefore ‘cases’. MW

Oh and I forgot, even she thinks the fine for not wearing a mask is £3,200. MW

This (apart from direct experience of Covid wards) fits in with my observations as a frequent flier. by

I think the worst aspect of all this has been coming close up to the same sort of brainwashing that led to Auschwitz being given permission to exist by a compliant population not seeing the reality.

From my teens onwards, I became aware of what the previous generation had fought against; I spoke to survivors when taking part in a reading of Peter Weiss’s ‘The Investigation’ (transcripts of the trials) whilst at university.

Always I thought ‘It can’t happen here.’

No – there are none of the horrors of the gas chambers. But that plank of belief – that understanding of what the previous generations fought against, and the foundations of a fundamental democratic basis for society, despite all political disagreement – has been blown away in the last year.

It can happen here.

Thank you SPI-B, the other Mengele freaks and the government spivs and snake-oil salesmen. You have created a distinctive legacy.

Just don’t let me see you bastards wearing a poppy in November.

Yes it can always happen here. There is nothing fundamentally different about Germany or any other country.

Of course this isn’t as bad as national socialism but it’s very dangerous for any country ever to assume they’re exceptional or immune or the good guys.

The only consolation we have in the UK now is that our government is also highly incompetent. Imagine how much worse it would be if it were all enforced.

Late 1920’s Berlin must have been amazing. Exciting, sophisticated, free, decadent.

Late 1930’s Berlin must have been – actually quite similar to how I feel most days.

This very good. Listen, if you can. Just voices of common sense and experience.
“All the people who died with Covid already had a pre-existing condition, like heart disease, and it was just the final straw. They did not die of Covid. They died of whatever was the pre-existing condition.” A nurse, on a Covid ward.

Yes, she kept saying died ‘with’ Covid not ‘of’ Covid. MW

Re Over counted Hospital admissions

What else do we expect? This government and the NHS are soon the laughing stock of the world!
Does that mean they can finally get us back to normal?! I work in a cafe with very tight rules by my employer, and see more and more people ignore them and cause us aggro.

“ Does that mean they can finally get us back to normal” I think this is highly unlikely. As it stands, I can’t see where the push to get back to normal would come from.

Us – vive la resistance!

Here are some personal messages for our friends in Occupied Europe; “The moon shines brightly by night. The moon shines brightly by night”.

OMG…those poor children in that classroom!? Truly horrified and disgusted by such an image. ‘We’ really have hit rock bottom. How can everyone be so ignorant, arrogant and selfish in their behaviour and actions. I will be escaping this world of fools, probably to a canal boat next spring, I can take no more.

I’ve just done an afternoon’s spud-washing (our own crop) and come in, logged in to see this photo….immediately felt dire. How on earth can children perform well at school like this? gagged and boxed like biological specimens? They must feel utterly bloody stupid.

I looked at that photo several times thinking that it MUST BE FAKE. Is it just a one-off experiment in one dumb school just to see if it will work or is this the new normal in all schools. Have the parents of those children seen this?? I am utterly stunned in disbelief.

But you are correct; it was a “trial” floated to see if there was any pushback. If there wasn’t an outcry, it would have been soon mandated by the local LEA and then by them all.

Thank you Toby et al for the sanity this site provides.

It’s only when I leave the house that I sadly see no change. This week I have been into Waitrose, Tesco, M&S, Aldi and Lidl (twice) and was the only person not wearing a face mask. It feels very lonely! I was challenged once by a lady (polite description) and pointed silently to the lanyard. One elderly gentleman asked where he could get a lanyard – his wife finds difficulty breathing and has not been shopping since masks became compulsory. He was struggling too.

How much longer can this go on for? There is no logic or reason yet I feel rational thought has disappeared.

Pride often goes with loneliness.
Be proud.

Annie. You’re a legend.

I hope a few of you will find time to have a look at these videos:

Plandemic the videos on this website explain the various interests in cv19, and how we are being hoodwinked.

What is The WHO a James Corbett look into The World Health Organization.

Corbett’s Who is Bill Gates is also well worth a watch.

Some of RFK Jr’s stuff is interesting, particularly about Gates. He has started the Children’s Health Defense and writes eloquently (and tirelessly) about potential vaccine safety.

If only 10% of the content in either is true then we’re in trouble.

One man’s conspiracy theory is another man’s hypothesis waiting to be proved.

Watched Plandemic today – well worth it!

It is clear to me from the numbers that the NHS does not have much of a clue about what it does. It should be really simple:

• How many people were admitted to hospital with a respiratory illness?
• How many contracted a respiratory illness in hospital?
• Of those who contracted the illness and died, how many already had a diagnosis of terminal illness/disease?

It is becoming clear that the NHS just does not know the answer to these rudimentary questions.

And why are the media and the NHS’s political masters not asking these questions?

That is a question I would like to know the answer to.

So my daughters inner city secondary school has released it’s plan for the children’s return in September. The children will be isolated into year groups in different buildings and single classrooms for the forseable future. There will be one way walking and year group based eating zones and outside space. All face masks will be removed on arrival, and put away in a plastic bag, which is great. The HT goes as far as to say that their usage may increase risk of infection and have a negative impact in communication and learning. Although it is all very unnecessary it doesn’t sound too bad. My only concern is how the school will manage illness. As the coming season is one of colds and viruses how will the teaching staff discern a covid19 type virus from any other and am I supposed to keep her home if she gets any type of cold, cough etc? This will be where the problems arise. I only know that my girl can’t afford any more time out before her GCSEs next year. I guess we’ll find out. The teacher in today’s post should be fired. Not only is he a very ignorant and ill informed person but he is using the children as a political tool which is unforgivable. When I wrote to my Labour MP about the detriment of lockdown on my own child and my wish for him to support the young in this crisis I received much the same response. Namely one that acknowledged the harm being done to the vulnerable but remained committed to using the situation to pillory the Tories. It served only to harden my resolve to do whatever I can to keep them out of power. A resolution I made way back at the age of 19 protesting the illegal invasion of Iraq.

All face masks will be removed on arrival, and put away in a plastic bag, which is great.

Not really. In those humid conditions the bacteria will multiply. There are likely to be quite a few sick children as a result.

You’re missing the point. The HT is saying that if kids turn up with them on they aren’t allowed to wear them at school. It is a statement of intent.

Well done that HT

Yes, there’s no obvious reason why the kids should wear them on the way to school – though some corner shops might miss out on some custom.

Many children travel to school by tube, train or bus. They will, unfortunately, have to have masks with them.

I agree with you, but he has a point. My children’s school has said the same (bag to put mask in). I don’t want my daughter putting a matured Petri dish of bacteria on her face.

And she will follow the rules as she doesn’t take after her more independent minded mother unfortunately ….so what kind of receptacle is best? They have been told to bring named cloth masks…not disposable.

Maybe they will ‘lose’ the bag?

Hobson’s Choice – Tory wankers or Labour tossers. But getting the psychopath Tories in worked well over the last 40 years didn’t it?

Alternatives are verboten in the Fourth Reich.

What about Blair?

What about Blair? Made a bridge between two other right of centre govenments. No change Party. Thus his current role.

Check out Hitchens book ‘The Cameron Delusion’. They’re all the same. I spoilt my ballot paper in December last for the first time and will be continuing to do until someone who deserves my vote sets up shop (aka a unicorn!).

Just to put this in context. Like him or loathe him, Corbyn was different (and no, I was never convinced of his leadership skills).

But – as with this current propaganda campaign – the massed bands of the establishment blew their socks off to make sure that he was painted as someone he wasn’t.

When you see two ex-heads of MI6 singing in harmony – you know that smell of rats.

Just commented above about a lad in our area (rural Scotland), who was sent home from school for coughing. Whole family having to isolate, whilst being tested. This is how it is going to go.

If only the government tested people for cancer as much as Covid, then maybe we wouldn’t be looking at thousands of unnecessary deaths from people of all ages.

Save lives. Bullshit. They couldn’t give a toss about any lives. Wankers.

£300 billion. That is a lot of preventative medicine.

Thata a lot of a lot of things that could really improve the heath and welfare of everybody in the UK by a very significant amount. Where has it gone?

And cancer isn’t the only issue. Just heard From my consultant’s secretary that due to huge backlog caused by more or less halting all diagnostic brain scans for the last 5/6 months, my wait for a follow up brain scan is now around 2 months. Even emergency scans are having to wait 3/4 weeks. This is after already waiting 5 months after the original scan. These Scans are for potentially very serious conditions risking brain bleeds / death

The NHS should be branded a criminal organisation.

That is terrible, but some hospitals have been doing brain scans. My wife had one in mid May, but because of NHS incompetence it’s taken over 3 months to get the results and a few weeks of chasing. Thankfully she’s now been told it’s nothing to worry about, but has to wait for a phone appointment on Monday to get the details.

A song for the people from Pendragon:

“Fear of falling down again
Believe in who you are again
Maybe one day we’ll ride wild horses
Maybe one day we’ll dive 10,000 feet
So don’t be afraid of everything you meet”

“Afraid of Everything” from the album Love Over Fear

Posted this on yesterday’s comments by mistake!

Very good piece in the DT by Sarah Knapton (behind a paywall I think)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/21/despite-positive-tests-coronavirus-death-rate-continues-fall/

Coronavirus death rate continues to fall – despite more positive tests

Research shows that, if there had been a correlation between rise in cases and deaths, fatalities should have risen to around 35 per day

Instead, deaths are hovering at around five with the numbers declining all the time, suggesting Britain may soon experience its first day with no deaths at all.

Carl Heneghan is quoted:

“”Admissions data should be driving our response now, not case data. You could have 1,000 people and if there are no admissions then you’re building up a population that is resistant to create breaks in the transmission chain when you get to February and March.

“However, what has happened is the rapid increase spooked everyone and now they are in this mode where it is the precautionary principle and people are trying to negate a risk which isn’t out there right now.

“It’s time we had a chief epidemiologist who is responsible for the production and oversight of the data.”