2020-08-22

I will let someone else be first…

Me!!

A most ingenious paradox!

It is a far, far better thing I do today…

I’m resigned to the fact now that whoever the dark globalist forces are behind this “pandemic”, they aren’t going to let us out of it anytime soon.

Despite the overwhelming evidence that this virus is much less deadly than flu, they simply replace the death figures with apocryphal tales of people getting long term health effects from the virus instead. This keeps the propaganda susceptible masses in perpetual fear and, most importantly, compliant.

I initially thought that this might have something to do with the US election in November. Trump caused an immense amount of damage to globalists in his first term and I supposed that they would try to use this phoney crisis to depose him (they certainly won’t do it via the ballot box following the BLM communist coup). Now I’m not so sure that my initial conspiracy goes far enough to explain what is going on here.

I’ll keep resisting and spreading the word, but I can’t see any way out of this in the short to medium term.

Proud to be a covid/lockdown skeptic and many thanks to Toby for giving us this platform to vent our frustrations on!

You can bet that the green, Climate Cataclysm , Greta crowd will be cheering at the result of johnsons idiot quarantine ‘policy’ . He has forced the bulk of us to abandon the skies of our own choice without the need for taxation or air mile rationing and all he needs to do to extend that is to extend his grizzled Enabling Act next month.

The Special People will, of course, be exempt as they amble seamlessly through Covid free VIP lounges.

Have you seen the plandemic film? It’s an extremely interesting investigative piece of work and they have of course joined some dots (we can all do that on different subjective ways of course), but it’s very interesting nonetheless. Prob worth a look, even if just for interest which can be dismissed.

I haven’t yet, but I will check it out this afternoon. Thanks!

What’s it called and where can it be seen?

https://plandemicseries.com/

Your word is my command!

plandemicseries.com It was on youtube and some others but got banned within 24 hours. Many millions have seen it already.

You can download it from their site and keep it permanently on your hard drive to share. They actively encourage it

Watching it in bits and pieces when I can. Great so far!

Yes you are right, I am not sure about the dot connecting conclusion but nonetheless some astonishing evidence put together. Well worth watching !

What is it about the conclusion you can’t get to grips with.

I’ll see it… yesterday saw again Outbreak with Dustin Hoffman…spot on!

I forgot to mention I posted a link for Pandemic2 on Facebook and received a notice on the post from PolitiFact Ministry of Truth to stop the spread of fake news :

Fact checking “Pandemic 2” Another video full of conspiracy theories about COVID-19

Since Facebook and other media started censoring information, know one thing: If the information is censored that is exactly what we should be reading

Fact checked – what a joke. They are self-appointed and sponsored by big interests

They are Big Brother.

Brother Bill Gates.

Yes I think it’s a good way to make something go viral !

Politifact – are they the ones that admitted Susan Rosenberg is on the fundraising board of BLM, admitted she was convicted & imprisoned on weapons charges and possession of ‘hundreds of pounds’ [their words I think] of explosives – but had the gall to fact check that it is not necessarily the same as being convicted of a terror offence?

They do have an agenda against POTUS.

Not just POTUS.

Unbelievable isn’t it ?

Take a look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAZ9KCNDSek&feature=youtu.be

and other Corbett reports.

Are you referring to this one, Country Mumpkin?

“Plandemic indoctornation” https://londonreal.tv/plandemic-indoctornation-world-premiere/

I was sceptical, and asked on here the other day if it’s worth watching. I watched it on Thursday. Someone suggested it was, and as per her comment, I’d dearly love it to be rubbish.

I note many points it makes are similar to the Corbettreport.com work which provides more extensive research and life history of Gates’ and his foundation, just one example here:
“Meet Bill Gates” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSvhPnUgyz8

…but Plandemic has intereresting details on control of narative, discussing links between fact checkers, Politifcat / Poynter, and others. As Nat notes below, links to the site result in ‘warnings’ – ironic that those producing such warnings are part of the the focus of the video.
It also covers information gleaned re Corona / Wuhan Institute Research from the world of patents, some interview with Dr Judy Mikovits and various other info. It’s a really good production values, but doesn’t have the sort of links to documenation James Corbett does.

Similar theories to points made by Dr Vernon Coleman etc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhYX8RzyMC4

I’ve worked in scientific community much of my life, and I find it rather troubling that this is the first time I’ve seen such a disjoint between fact sources and media outlets that I’ve had to go out searching for information (e.g. here, since Toby first started the site), and troubling that I consider even an element of videos like plandemic likely enough to be valid to warrant thinking about. Let alone commenting on a thread. Still; these are troubling times so there’s a first for anything.

I’m rather interested in other lockdown secptics views so keeping a general eye out over the comments to Toby’s articles. Whilst a huge group now, most have been a good intelligent bunch; neither Tin Hat conspiracy theorists nor Covid Bed Wetters.

The only thing that made me question what they were saying was the part about the CDC patenting coronavirus, it’s detection and the kit to measure it. If that’s the case, why are the primers published for all to see? Labs all over the world are producing their own tests. Maybe I missed something.

Are your deckchairs neatly lined up?

I’m not watching Plandemic as it sounds more tinfoil hat 5g. I’m here for the practical side of the science, economic and social decay. It’s politically motivated now but I don’t think that there’s any deliberate plan and that they started with good but very misguided intentions. I don’t think that there was a cover up other than from China.

why not watch it and then come to your conclusions?

Because I’ve already read summaries and know what it’s about.

Half of me is inclined to feel similarly, Caramel.

I can’t abide 5g / tinfoil hat stuff. I wish Ike would be quiet. He’ll appear at protests next weekend, and he’s what the press will report. It will make the sensible protest look ridiculous.

RE plandemic, like the fact checkers that suggest it contains false information (ironically it contains information about fact checkers), if I remember correctly, it also has a section re how comedy frames all such documentaries as 5g / tinfoil hat. In fact, specifically, it showed a comedy commenting on tinfoil hat / 5g, and then turning to plandemic. Looking at Mikki Willis’s work, I’m not sure he’s about manipulation of his audience.

Once in an ‘wow these are a farce’ mindset, it is easier to dismiss.

I’d dearly love to dismiss it, but the triangulation with other documentaries makes me consider it might be worth considering.

Like you, I’m hear for science, stats, and effects of lockdown, but part of me worries that it provides a distraction. We plot graph after graph and say ‘There. Game over Covid19’, and govt advisors can’t fail to see these figures…. yet bizarre restrictions and lockdowns continue.

Within my grey matter, the audience is still out…

You and your friend Caramel are beyond all hope. You are both clearly trolling. Your grey matter is a very much an endangered species.

If the tinfoil hat fits, then you should wear it. You can’t comment on something, that you haven’t seen and expect to be taken remotely seriously.

There’s nothing in the film, that can be easily dismissed.

Precisely. They can’t know about any long term effects given that it has not been around long term anyway. Pure tactical scaremongering.

We have to be more optimistic than that

There is very little room for optimism.

If there are any doubters about the global plan to use the Covid pandemic as cover for ‘The Great Reset’, planned by the elite (aka the 3%) at the World Economic Forum, then this 20 minute video should convince you.

https://m.facebook.com/325587657821343/posts/1171343713245729/

I believe there is a globalist agenda led by the WEF (aka Davos) which includes, of course, Big Pharma. They stand to make millions, perhaps trillions of dollars from a global vaccine programme. But the virus is dying too soon, so they have to keep up the fear and keep us subdued and compliant, hence the mask edicts (mind control). The masks, like the scaremongering, social distancing and clapping is a sophisticated system of mind control. We are being conditioned to accept more and more authority and less and less civil liberties. It may have started as a virus and public health thing, but it’s no longer about that. It’s about central government control.

I think Johnson is being manipulated. He and his Ministers are too naive and stupid to come up with a plot like this. I hear people say that they are disappointed in BoJo and expected him to have a pair of balls. He never, ever did. He’s an empty vessel, a very good example of politicians controlled by the State, Civil Service etc. May, Cameron and Major are other good examples of puppets, but Boris is in a class of his own.

God help us.

It is not about getting rid of the hapless Trump, it is much much bigger than that. Those “globalist dark forces” you rightly mention have planned this game changing event for years and they won’t let it go, without one hell of a fight.

The dark forces, are fronted by the eugenicist Bill Gates, and what they want is massive global depopulation. They see this as a way of saving the planet from choking on its own pollution and so allowing those left to then have what they term as “sustainable development”. The globalists do have a good point here, but they ought to set a good example and start by eliminating themselves first.

The chosen method for carrying the cull is almost certainly the long hyped Covid-19 vaccine. It will be debilitating for most and is likely to be quickly lethal for the old and ill.

Gates used to talk about a 10-15% global population reduction, but I would suggest that it’s now a safe bet, that the targets have been revised to significantly higher levels.

Before their recent redundancies, the Guardian would have been all over that R rate/Sage want Lockdown story. Maybe the penny is dropping- lockdown means less sales and advertisers means redundancies. They’ve buried it lower down. The Jekyll & Hyde Telegraph on the other hand makes it the main item. They really need to stop this flip flopping between scaremongering and scepticism.

The DT, like the Graun and the BBC have taken The Gates’ shilling.

I can believe that.

I’m now convinced all those in elected authority are puppets.

Must be a vaccine game if they want zero Covid. The bed wetting science advisors know they can’t achieve that.

The virus is all too obviously gone. Or where existent, is not doing harm.

Here are the links https://www.theguardian.com/info/2018/oct/02/philanthropic-partnerships-at-the-guardian

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/about/funding

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We-Work/Quick-Links/Grants-Database/Grants/2017/11/OPP1179441

Is there a pie in which the Gates’ don’t have their fingers?

Yes there is – the one which was hurled into his face a few years ago.

I saw that for the first time the other day.

Satisfying isn’t it.

It was.

Link please or reference?

It was in the plandemic documentary Country Mumkin mentions above.

Should have been an axe

I am not sure but we can add the world’s food supply to the list

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/08/21/food-and-agriculture-policy-bill-gates-foundation.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20200821Z2&mid=DM627907&rid=945092389

Yes. He hugely funded the atrocious Eat Lancet report last year. 

No, not if the pie filling has anything to do with world health policy.

Not many, well hardly any.

Thanks so much for highlighting this very important piece of info. I had not realised these newspapers were funded in this way.

lockdown skeptics… please check these links out from PD.

Absolutely shocking…

Governments have f*cked up and cause untold damage.

Many infections and few hospitalisations or deaths is the evidence.

So destroy the evidence – i.e. eliminate cases on the premise that they are too dangerous to live with.

They will never admit to it, because the reckoning would be terrible.

it’s a cover up.

Yes it sounds right. What’s your view on what will happen next? Or eventually?

Who knows.

UK government can’t move alone. It has already u-turned once away from the “Swedish” strategy and won’t flop back – it would be a disaster for them. They’ve committed to being part of the international herd and will move as the rest of the international herd moves.

Media, CDCs, WHO are all 100% invested in this and would have a lot of explaining to do if they suddenly flipped.

And worst of all the idea that COVID is really dangerous and needs to be suppressed is deeply embedded in the psyche of populations around the world, not just the UK.

The only thing that I can see derailing this is a really, really bad economy. Not exactly something you want to be rooting for, but…

Bleak times. Very bleak.

Plausible, but the problem is they are at the forefront of the herd galloping towards the cliff edge. There are many ways they could have reduced the harm if it were a matter of just not openly U-turning.

Stupidity like masks and quarantines could have been avoided, and the state propaganda machine turned to highlighting the economic costs rather than fantasy covid dangers, months ago, in order to shift opinion and allow further moves,.

a tactic used to good effect by the native americans
Here it is not so much a herd mentality ,. more a lemming mentality

And then it was used against the Native Americans by the settlers.

They could have trumpeted the success of their policies, highlighted the drop in fatalities etc and lifted lockdown weeks ago – if they’d wanted to.
Why are they prevaricating and playing for time? Nothing to do with a virus.

Just wait until next time when there is an outbreak of something that is actually contagious and dangerous. Will anyone take it seriously? We know the story of the boy that cried wolf.. Well us older ones do.. The young ones wont as it is not on the national curriculum.
Unfortunately WHO has burnt its bridges.

Do you remember pandemics being a thing growing up? I don’t.

And yet since SARS in 2003, it seems as if every few years they’ve wanted to peddle a pandemic. Bird flu in 2005, then Swine Flu in 2009, MERS in 2012 and now COVID.

You’ve bought the idea that a lethal disease is coming sooner or later. Don’t.

No – not at all ,, I dont think a lethal disease is coming and certainly not as a pandemic . However there is always the chance of an outbreak of something (whether natural or man made ) even on a local basis and the point that i am making is that once people realise that the Covid Pandemic was a fraud then any future issue will be treated with derision .
And i am old enough to have had HongKong flu in 1968 although at the time it wasnt a pandemic… it wasnt even noticed. But i agree that in recent years the authorities are continuing to cry wolf with the latest pandemic.

Good point about the possibility of a man made disease.

In my darker moments, I wonder whether this is all preparation for biological warfare. The Chinese seem to have their population fully under control and if we don’t we are more vulnerable to a biological attack that they are.

Then I snap out of it and go back to the less terrifying ‘incompetence mixed with bad actors pursuing narrow interests’ explanation.

or chemical …. Just think of another Salisbury incident on a greater scale or the various Sarin attacks around the world I can see a scenario where in a couple of years time when people realise what the covid fraud and lockdown has cost them, precautions against such a threat are treated with contempt.
But i agree with your last sentence !

Will they wake up to the fraud? It should be obvious by now.

The New World Order is not a narrow interest.

I too had Hong Kong flu, as did my mother, though interestingly we were the only two out of our family of 6 who got it. And even more interestingly out of we four siblings, I have since had flu several times, and only one other sibling has had it and she only once!! I must be an interesting case….It is only recently that I’ve realized that’s what we had, as I worked out roughly how old I must have been when we had it. I can’t even remember whether we knew at the time that it was “Honk Kong flu”, or that it was a pandemic.

If countries around the world keep fiddling about with infectious bacterias in labs then the next one might be hundreds of times more devastating. A Super/Ultra Virus.

You’ve forgotten the power of the propaganda machine already?

Didn’t Dickens write a novel with the word bleak in it?

I’m hoping for some dissent from Tory MPs and perhaps leadership contenders (Michael Gove?) once Parliament reform next month… it seems beyond insane that they’re taking a “summer break” at the minute, but everything at the minute is insane so I shouldn’t be suprised.

I suspect there will be some pushback in US Republican states, even before the election, now that the virus is starting to subside there again.

2 years of wakamole quarantine /lockdown while Johnson and his crew flail about trying to get out of the quagmire they created through ineptitude.

Yes, the DT has been running a Global Health Security section

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/

https://www.ageofautism.com/2019/10/the-id2020-alliance-the-global-totalitarian-project-hiding-behind-the-vaccine-drive.html

A commenter has pointed out they have accepted a large grant from the Gates Foundation, so no wonder.

The Covid advertising thrup’ny bit as well.

Imagine, if you can, a virus so deadly you have to be tested to know if you have had it? Well, we live in Rod Serling’s Twilight Zone everyday now thanks to stupid politicians who want more power and control and can’t admit they were both wrong and lied to us.

I recently led a training session on Zoom for German oncologists. There was quite some discussion on what sensible precautions to take to mitigate the covid infection risk in these vulnerable patients, many of whom are taking meds that specifically impact the immune system (with obviously not good implications should they get covid on top). No talk of giving up on treatment altogether, just how to switch things around.

German cancer patients are still being diagnosed and treated. Why is it, apparently, so difficult in the UK?

That’s encouraging news to hear from Germany. My wife is a consultant anaesthetist in the NHS and I can confirm that she spent four months doing absolutely nothing.

They put all the anaesthetists and surgeons doing onto specialist covid teams, where my wife’s job was to roll patients over from their side to their front. She treated a grand total of 3 covid patients in four months (at a usually extremely busy London hospital) Meanwhile, her usually packed oncology lists were empty.

They are resuming with life threatening surgery now, but in order to catch up or even stand still with the elective surgeries, it will take around 3-5 yrs.

It’s great to hear these real life stories from the front line. How does your wife feel about the situation?

My cousin in law also does the same job as your wife. And my dentist friends sister also the same job. They concur.

Hi. My wife began, like most of the NHS, believing that this virus was a sort of bubonic plague. This – we now know – was as a result of hysterical reporting coming out of Italy by media and their own health service. The situation in Italy was never as serious as it was initially portrayed.

She very quickly realised that this was not another 1918 flu type situation and the only people that appeared to be at risk were elderly obese men, many of whom had darker skin tone. It did kill some of these people in her hospital when their only treatment strategy was to put people suffering from the virus on ventilators (my wife thinks this treatment method probably killed them although they didn’t know it at the time). They now use anti inflammatory drugs and zinc to manage this and nobody has died from covid in months.

Now she is just angry at what the government is doing and the myriad of overreactions we’re seeing. She isn’t political at all, she genuinely just wants to help people and make them better and, ironically, the government is hellbent on making this much harder than it needs to be.

Hi Panda 232

Thank you so much for sharing your wife’s story. She sounds lovely and realistic.

I’ll try to get some more info from the two anaesthetists I know and share also.

My GP friend is very different and has behaved in a very authoritarian manner toward me and others I’m terms of risk, how we should behave, where we should go etc. It hasn’t been pretty awful to interact with her.

Thanks again
CM

Is there no way that all these excellent NHS people can get together and exert some
pressure?

No, from care assistants to senior consultants they have been threatened with career ruination if they spill the beans about what is and is not going on.

And what happened to whistleblowers being protected?

This needs some serious and organised documentation. These people need to be talked to, their stories taken down, and published, under aliases if necessary, and then circulated to all in authority and the media. Just seen Karenovirus post .. I stress . Under aliases with identity confirmed for genuineness but anonimity guaranteed

There is a new website listed in today’s roundup called questioningcovid. Lots of whistleblowers there, including an ICU doctor from NY, claiming the ventilators were killing patients

Some people were saying that ventilators were dangerous as early as last April.

Yes it was a while back that the NY doctor was claiming that.

Erin Marie Olszewski is her name btw.

They mean Dr Cameron Kyle-Sidell.

This one is a nurse from a Devon hospital speaking out anonymously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOIbqIRkD6w

Mmm I think it is time for me to add my pennyworth.It is six months since I last attended a large doctors educational meeting. These are generally very agreeable and as well as some good lectures you do catch up on the local gossip. At the time in the MSM news we had three main stories; Idlib ( whatever happened there in the end ? ) , the Diamond Princess starring David and Sally Abel , and the Trump impeachment attempt . I do remember at the meeting with about 60 other doctors the Covid19 issue was never mentioned and ” lockdown ” belonged to repressive Chinese regimes.

My scepticism dates from this period as we already had the data from the Diamond Princess and also Iceland soon after. it was never going to be the Bubonic plague. The pantomine since then which has been media generated

There are quite a few medics who covertly add their contribution to the skeptics site and I thought the community psychiatrist ‘s from yesterday was a pleasure to read, There are some commentators who ask why aren’t the medical profession speaking out. From my conversations there are large numbers of us who are sceptical ( including nearly every surgeon ) but reluctant to ” go public ” .

The reason for keeping mum is fear. We all are in the public eye, there are websites with all our biographies and pictures . There are also sites called “rate my doctor ” and google review of surgeries. The mask fetischists and lockdown fanatics are to be found all over social media and any medic who questions the received opinion would soon feel the wrath of the martinets.

Anyway to end on a cheery note. I read today that even in New Zealand there are intelligent people who question lockdown and mandatory masks . The world will return to sanity.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12358696

A few months agoI would have felt understanding of this viewpoint. Now I just wish someone on the inside had the balls to stand up and tell it like it is, forego the comfortable consultant salary and put the poor sods who are literally dying because of this first.

Would you really throw your career away if you had done years of training ?I suspect not .Three interesting medics to follow are Prof Karol Sikora , Prof Carl Heneghan and Dr Ron Daniels . They chip away at the hysterical media lies and are effective at combatting the narrative . All three cop a lot of abuse on social media.

Suspect away. I’m familiar with the specialists you mention of course, I just wish all doctors had the same integrity.

There are Ivor Cummings and Suneetra Gupta as well.

The Italians are such an excitable people.

Well half-Italian myself I wonder is Panda’s wife Italian by any chance??

Thanks for the insight into an NHS professional’s true views.
Would be good if more of them made their views known.
Whatever is really going on at the moment, it’s terrifying.

Modern medical practice cannot be a one disease only lane. There is always a trade off. It is shocking to hear your description .A disastrous response to the pandemic in all its aspects.

Absolutely agree. I’m also very very appreciative of hearing real life stories from the covid wards.

Not many stories coming out of empty wards, especially those co-opted from other departments.

Absolutely. Does anyone suspect that the innumerate Oxbridge PPE graduates in charge of the country are assuming that you can do nothing for 4 months, but not a problem because you can just do it twice as fast for 4 months afterwards and Bob’s your uncle.

You can see the realisation dawning in the cabinet room: “Cripes, you mean a service that runs at 98% capacity isn’t capable of running at twice its usual speed? But how can that be?”

Ha! Absolutely spot on! They are throwing money at them to work overtime on extra lists, but it’s a bit like trying to stop the tide coming in.

They commandeered my local Nuffield for the Covid, never used it, now being used for non Covid backlog work.

maybe they finally find a use for all the nightingale ward capacity which they never used… Can the government quickly train all the soon to be unemployed retail workers to be doctors ? That may be a government plan !!!!

I had a look at my nightingale, style may not be important but it’s all held up with scaffolding and held together with sellotape.

But they did promise us 40 new hospitals …..

My wife is a senior nurse. There has been a scaling up of external (private agency) services to break the backlog. Yet the guidance on PPE is still idiotic.

It seems to be controlled by management rather than sense. She deals with aerosol generating procedures, of which for many years and with patients with various conditions, masks were not worn unless the specific procedure required it.

But now it’s like the past experience never happened.

The guidance is ramping down but not fast enough. The hose of money has been turned on for private agencies ( a lot of which are good). But the thinking seems to be throw as much money as possible at something. And this is when the national debt is now over 150% GDP.

Madness

My mum was a lifelong nurse who was delighted when nationalised in 1946 but became so disillusioned when the bean counters took over she retired early and spent 5 years ignoring ‘Return To Nursing’ begging letters.

Same here in SW, some emergency oncology, clinical work eye ( but no in patients ), no orthopaedics or haematology etc. A&E still deserted.

German children have to wear masks in school. All day. As young as 8.

Swings and roundabouts.

German healthcare providers are not subject to government diktat in quite the same way as the NHS. The schools are (and yes, the mask rules, differing in different parts of the country at different times, at different places in the school, are causing as much confusion in the UK).

As usual the problem is when government sticks its oar in.

Have a friend whose 8 year old is masked all day in school. (Teachers can be unmasked so they can be heard, apparently). He is livid and desperate.

It depends where in Germany you live. Most countries are considering/mandating it for upper schools, and then not during lessons, as it does influence the intake of oxygen and the ability to concentrate.
Vey active parent organisation working against it, for example reporting head teachers for assault/causing actually bodily harm.

Child abuse!

Really? F Merkel!

I know someone who goes for Dialysis 3 times a week so equally vulnerable. His treatment and routine have continued exactly as before except that he was once given a single mask, two months after lockdown.

Protecting the National Covid Service.

That’s because we have the No Health Service!

I have been appalled on so many levels by the spinelessness of our medics. They appear to have stood by while their profession & reputation has been trashed. Professionals need to be very careful when they lose trust. Teachers lost trust when they started going on strike in the 70s. Once you stop behaving like a professional you stop being treated like one. Doctors will never recover from abandoning their patients.

That group of Zero Covid MPs should go to Madagascar to demand to know why it isn’t bubonic plague and the get Ferguson to tell them how to do it, he’s the expert after all.

We come into contact with all sort of viruses that we can’t even measure every day.
We are all germ carriers and the insides of our bodies are full of weird and wonderful stuff. Like the digestive tract.

Yes, about a fistfull as I happily informed someone years ago.

Should read “why it (Madagascar) isn’t bubonic plague free…”

All Party Parliamentary Group Recommends a ‘Zero Covid’ Strategy

A bedwetting group of MPs, led by Liberal Democratic leadership hopeful Layla Moran

has urged the Government to commit to a ‘zero Covid’ strategy.

You cannot eradicate this virus. How difficult is out to understand?

Apparently it doesn’t even mean eradication:

https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1290959396642656257

“ People misunderstand Zero COVID/elimination strategy -> it’s about stopping community transmission within borders & quickly identifying imported clusters to keep numbers low. Less virus = more normality. ”

Zero Covid actually means “some covid”, or, as I would normally call it, “endemic covid”, or “herd immunity”. It turns out Devi has been agreeing with me all along. We’re just arguing over semantics.

So they call it “ Zero COVID/elimination strategy “, but it doesn’t involve elimination or zero? Are these people willfully perverse?

Seems more plausible they got ridiculed and are now backtracking frantically, but to check you’d have to plough through too much of their turgid nonsense.

Yes. It’s Stalinism at its most cynical. It reminds me of Zero Carbon. This gives me an idea. How about Covid Credits? The rich could pay the poor to be locked up and wear masks and this could generate wealth for everyone. What could possibly go wrong?

LOL! I’d love to see the Labour and LibDem parties turning intellectual and moral somersaults on that one

“When I use a word ,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “ it means just what I choose it to mean —neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice , “whether you can make words mean so many different things.” “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master— that’s all.”

The team of Bill Gates funded witchdoctors “advising” Her Majesty’s Dictatorship, understand perfectly well that you cannot “eradicate” a virus. However, their Pharma bought-and-paid-for careers, and their forthcoming gigantic backhanders from the Gates Foundation provide the reason for them deliberately pretending to not understand elementary microbiology. As for HM Dictatorship itself, Boris and the other puppets have no option but to go along with Agenda 2030, as demanded by their globalist Overlords. The strategy for this Agenda requires the usual abandonment of reality e.g. there are now 57 genders and a specific virus can now be completely eradicated. Oh, and Elvis is still alive on Mars.

They can’t understand because they’re idiots and lack even basic common sense. How they got into Parliament is a bleeding mystery although they’ve had their share of imbeciles, morons and idiots for the last 800 years!

Layla Moran is a Class A idiot who should be held up as an example to all young girls and women that they should NOT be like her.

This group of tossers should be eradicated

I no longer consider myself British.

I now have no affiliation with the country that my parents and grand parents literally fought for

In one week in March we became Nazi Germany in the 1930’s. This is a wrong that can never be righted

I no longer consider I have an obligation to obey any of the laws of the land.

I feel no obligation to contribute to this country in any way

I consider myself British. I don’t consider those who have implemented these rules or who acquiesce to these rules as British. I consider it the duty of all British people to resist, disobey and right the wrongs forced upon us.

Jeanette Rankin was a Representative in the US Congress. She is famous as twice have voted against US wars (World War 1 and World War 2).In the World War 1 she had 50 more on her stand but after the Pearl Harbour attack she was the only one voting against Roosevelt’s war declaration.
But in UK 2020 not a single one voted against the Corona Act. I thought the British would have at least a few mavericks around and vote against. No. The Reichstag parallel must be a national embarrassment.

Well, I do consider myself British: it is just that Britain no longer exists. Quite a paradox!

Britain exists here – on Lockdown Sceptics! I regard this site as our green and pleasant land, while we are in temporary exile.

Hear, hear. True Britain has gone underground.
TEMPORARILY.
We’ll be back.

How?

Andrew Marvell ‘The Garden’

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44682/the-garden-56d223dec2ced

Was on the school syllabus back in the day, no longer I fear.

Great poem.

We are still British,it’s just that we have become political dissidents through no fault of our own.We have been subject to a coup and if the government gets its extension of 2 years in September,then its goodbye to the Britain that we knew.

Could you point me to details on the extension, if you can, please? I need to write to my MP about it, and need to be armed with the facts – I’ve tried searching on t’Internet, but to no avail.

I think it is to do with whoever is organising the protest in London next week. It was a claim on their flyer. Others have picked up on it and run with it, myself included. But other than that, I can find nothing.

I first read it in regards to one of the reasons as to why the Simon Dolan’s case was dismissed but I think is embedded in the Corona Act 2020 section 98 ‘Six month parliamentary review’ (I’m no lawyer)
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/7/section/98

Unfortunately, every country is just as bad or worse. Every country bar Sweden, Belarus and perhaps one or two others we don’t know about are committed to this insanity of eliminating COVID by any means and at whatever cost.

Some US states as well plus there are many other countries not going so crazy.
But yes many are are quite a bit worse.

They think that eliminating the people will get of the coronavirus. You know, it might just work.

That’s a tad bleak Cecil. Britain isn’t just the current crazed loons in government. Many people have been opposed to them from Day 1.

“The King and the Land are one !”.

I work in a cafe, and sometimes have a -short – opportunity to talk with customers about C. I try to avoid it to not bring the mood down. I always point out that we are recording positive PCR tests, not illnesses. Most people do not have a clue what the difference is, and sadly there is not enough time or inclination to get educated (by me).
As well, as most of my information is from German sources (my home country), i sometimes lack the vocabulary, so I look forward to get the english version of Sucharit Bhakdi’s book, Corona Fehlalarm, in September. Although I still need to find a non Amazon distributor.

Ask Toby Young or James Delingpole if they can give you some names.

Just back from the Costcutter/Post Office on the corner. About half a dozen customers, 3 staff, and absolutely not a mask in sight! Big smile from the lady behind the Post Office counter. Ha! In your face, SAGE people

100% maskless in my convenience store,
Chicken or egg? Do the mask averse drift there or the locals unmasking?

I saw one maskless person in the Co-op today, but none in Waitrose (Oxfordshire). I actually think that it’s the wealthier and more highly educated people who are complying the most. I only have one A-level, and only just….

Yes, same here in our local convenience store/post office. No masks, or social distancing, been a haven of normality (mostly) for months thank goodness.

More lockdowns.

The government’s malice and stupidity is relentless.

THE VIRUS ISN”T ESPECIALLY DANGEROUS AND IT CAN’T BE CONTROLLED.

When the hell are these people going to get these two crushingly obvious facts into their thick skulls?

It’s like the politicians and generals in the first world war continuing to throw body after body at enemy guns when the tactic had long been shown to be pointless.

The cretins just won’t admit they got it wrong and other people’s lives just don’t matter enough to them.

If they admit it was wrong then the full financial impact will be on them. And no-one wants that. This is the problem. As long as you can fight an imaginary foe and have people convince themselves that mandated mask wearing and the like are fine then the misdirection can continue.

Just don’t forget.

Not just financial, also the deaths caused by lockdown.

Interesting point about the zero covid story was that the vaccine is no longer being presented as the light at the end of the tunnel, even though that did seem like the logical end of the narrative. Maybe they have realised the politics of that may be more difficult than hoped.

They know the vaccine isn’t coming any time soon.
WHO announced yesterday they hoped this crisis would be over within 2 years.
Boris Johnson is looking to get a 2 year extension of his COVID laws.
Pharma needs more time…

The government also have a sniff of a chance of convincing the utterly credulous that they are responsible for stopping the “second wave”. It would necessitate even more damage to the economy and our health systems but when the country is already so deep in the mire what is another 50 billion on the national debt, or another 30000 collateral deaths.

I think that is exactly what they are doing. Realising that they totally messed up, the idea is to portray themselves as ‘saviours’ by preventing the mythical ‘second wave’. They are also trying to ferment discord by blaming those who ‘didn’t comply’ as being the cause of the problem. I find it all disgraceful and unforgivable.

Stop giving them excuses. They don’t deserve any. None.

I posted yesterday about a chat with a long term music events promoter. I expressed doubts about the speedy arrival of an effective and safe vaccine.

He told me that his industry was in close talks with the government who insist that such a vaccine is nearly with us.
“I hope so or my industry is dead”
I replied ‘you should tell the government that a mosh pit is the ideal way to create herd immunity and so help the vulnerable long term.’

Nice chap but living wishful thinking.

They are swatting at invisible flies.

Rachel Johnson’s article is fantastic, except for a slightly sour note at the end where she undermines her earlier enthusiasm for “adventure”.

By his mid-twenties, her father had “taken an iron-ore carrier to Brazil, ridden a motorbike from Oxford to Afghanistan”, but apparently Brexit is going to deny her children such opportunities – which is odd, seeing as her father’s escapades all took place before we joined the EU.

Post-Brexit, her kids might have to fill in a form before travelling through Europe or something, so clearly it’s now out of the question.

She also says she would block Toby Young on twitter, but I am pretty sure he wouldn’t block her. Why can’t these people be nice?

I didn’t fill in any forms when travelling widely through Europe pre Common Market except for the Socialist Republics and they only did it make sure they got my hard currency.
The only time you saw a queue at Passport Control was when a coachload of school kids all wanted their passports stamped.

I remember Nothing to Declare and Freddy Laker.

Amusing contrast between the idiocy about brexit supposedly meaning people can’t do things they did before the EU existed (well highlighted, by the way) and the intelligent approach to the safety obsession problem we have.

This latter attitude is one I would have hoped was part of Johnson familial culture and would be Boris Johnson’s core approach as well, before he was faced with the decision and went the other way.

I still suspect he knows on some level that he panicked and failed his country, and just can’t see a way out of it that doesn’t involve admitting the truth.

Hopefully it grinds his conscience for the rest of his days, as I hope Blair’s lies do his.

Yes, Blair definitely looks to me like a man who has trouble sleeping at night, as opposed to, say, a smug, self satisfied egotist with a messiah complex and no sense of remorse.

Hope springs eternal. On the one hand, your latter description does seem apt. On the other, I have seen him looking pretty haggard at times.

Does Ms Moran now support the only migration policy consistent with zero covid?

Can someone point out a politician or journalist who actually understands what R means?
How it is arrived at, what is its significance and how easy is it to make it up to suit your agenda. A statistic plucked out of someone’s Rsole.

If the R number has been dangerously above 1 all this time, why has the proportion of positive tests been steadily decreasing this entire time? Another dodgy computer model? I can scarcely contain my shock!

Another depressing shopping trip this morning, although the sunny and windy weather on my bike ride into town woke (in the proper sense…) me up well and truly. I went in Waitrose and the Co-op and still can’t believe how many people are complying and wearing masks. I saw just one person in the Co-op not wearing one. The assistant at the till was masked, face-shielded and was wearing gloves!! I had a job to hear what he said.

We live in a hamlet in Oxfordshire, and after I got home, with the sun shining and the wind blowing and the back door and windows open, a lady I know who used to live in the neighbouring village, came to said back door and asked if I was still doing sewing jobs (I am). I couldn’t believe she was standing there in the sunshine wearing a mask, and also was clearly keeping her distance from me. Sadly she told me her husband has got cancer, so perhaps she has some strange idea that she must be super duper careful, but I thought that actually for her own health she would have been better off breathing in the fresh air of today than being muzzled.

Oh, and this is well worth watching – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHi6qccp0aY

The link is a nurse in a Devon hospital speaking out about Covid, how wearing masks can make you feel ill, and the empty beds etc.

Thanks for the link, currently listening

Thanks for posting the link to the video. the channel is a new one for me.

If someone in a mask tries to talk to you, always – always! – ask them to remove it, claiming you cannot understand them. If they refuse, cut off the conversation.

It’s these little bits of resistance and non-compliance that we need to start utilising now.

Mr Dee, you talk plenty sense, keep on posting!

When I’m in the supermarket I always talk to as many masks as possible. I smile and do all the small talk and chit-chat that I always did as it is they that have changed, not me

Matches exactly what I know to be the situation in my local main hospital.

This brave nurse might have added that they were not required to wear masks all day long until the government made that decision, without consulting the NHS, 2 months after the danger, such as it was, had passed.

Masks as articles of faith.

I’ve been looking at articles and Tweets by Prof Trish Greenhalgh (referenced by Swedenborg yesterday as a prominent ‘masker’). There is a trail of argument and counter-argument ** between her and Carl Heneghan, and her and Graham Martin, and it seems to me that the science is ambivalent.

It comes down to a school playground ‘whose side are you on?   I do
not choose the side of TG, who proudly boasts a BLM hashtag on her Twitter name,
and seems strident and unlikely to brook dissent.

There is now an article in BMJ by one of her acolytes, Helene-Mari van der Westhuizen, which says in brief that we should move away from medical arguments and focus on making mask-wearing the cultural norm.
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3021

“ For a policy of public masking to succeed, negative depictions of
the social meaning and moral worth of face coverings need to be actively
reframed. Given that the main purpose of face coverings by the public is source
control, wearers could be depicted as altruistic or even as protectors. This
could create new symbolism around wearing, making, and distributing face
coverings that is based on social responsibility and solidarity against a
common threat”

This is a becoming a matter of rival faiths;
I fear that we non-maskers are in a significant minority and at risk of
religious persecution.

**Too many references to list here, but I will try in a separate post below

The references in my note above:
Redfield – 14 July
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768532?guestAccessKey=950260ad-620b-40e1-a9a8-9db2293ef17e&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social_jama&utm_term=3601763795&utm_campaign=article_alert&linkId=97486210
Wang =- ref’d in Redfield – 14 July 2020
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768533

Greenhalgh – initial BMJ article 9 April
https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1435
Martin – rebutting Greenhalgh 22 April
https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1435/rr-43
Greenhalgh – rebuttal of Martin 26 May
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jep.13415

Heneghan 17 April
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-masks-on-or-off/
Greenhalgh – rebuttal of Heneghan 27 May
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/face-coverings-for-the-lay-public-an-alternative-view/

Like burkas. A symbol of oppression.

It is almost funny how so many politicians hated and wanted to suppress the wearing of burkas before they hit on this great way to shut everyone up! MW

All the Quebec political parties were ranting and raving abouit face coverings 6, 7 years ago. They even wanted to ban people wearing sunglasses from using bus transport.

How many feminists who were screaming about the subjugation of Muslim women are now pro mask?

Objectifying, dehumanising

I do not agree that this is ‘playground’ stuff. We’re not talking about two arguments of equal merit and there is far too much at stake. Professor Greenhalgh and her students are participating in and perpetuating a nasty government psy-op that is keeping those they have brainwashed in masks, not for their health but to keep them compliant and fearful. Professor Heneghan is almost a lone voice trying to inject sanity into a sea of propaganda.

It does not help that Johnson recently announced the fake news that not wearing a mask carries a £3200 fine. It’s another clever psy-op because the fine is still £100, reducing to £50 if you pay up. The fine would double for ‘repeat offences’ up to the maximum. Of course, nobody needs to be fined in the first place if they have 2 brain cells to rub together and reports are that very few actually have been.

I agree that masks are a symbol of a cult but we shouldn’t fall into the trap of becoming victims. We are currently in a minority but we keep fighting. MW

I think we discussed this before, MW; the plebs now really think you get fined £3200 for not wearing a mask. Just like you need a doctor’s note for exemption and ‘common law wife’ is a real thing.

Yes, I’m sure it has been mentioned before but I thought it worth repeating for anyone new who’s not aware. We have now met a few people who have been feared by the big fine into mask compliance. Your other examples are good by the way! MW

This “social conformity” aspect of mask wearing has been discussed right from the start, I remember a BBC article (this was back when I could bear to read the BBC) about why some countries have a history of mask-wearing during epidemics and Westerners don’t.

I was unconvinced by the effectiveness of masks anyway (knowing how small viruses are) but reading this sort of paternalistic “the little people ought to be persuaded what’s best for them” BS totally and irrevocably convinced me that I would never wear one, as a matter of principle.

The new site Toby links to, Questioning Covid, seems pretty good. My eye was caught by this article:

https://kellybroganmd.com/masks-have-you-been-captured-by-this-psyop/

Someone was questioning the provenance of the site earlier on this thread. It appears to be a platform for dissident views. I doubt it gets much funding from ‘Pearly’. MW

The Quebec government has already initiated this approach and are now putting up posters around the streets of Montreal showing proud Mask Wearers, full of Solidarity, Respect, Conviction and Courage. And we’re paying for them.

It’s all very sinister. Someone posted on here yesterday about a TV ad in UK showing masked families, with voiceover – “This is not a mask, it is a sign of solidarity” and so on.

More shared vocabulary. Internationally co-ordinated psy-op.

Makes me want to vomit. You know an argument is on thin ground when you can’t convince people based on logic/rationality and must resort to virtue-signalling and shaming those who don’t comply.

We help a Syrian family to learn English & assimilate. The father told me that with all the masks he felt almost at home. He also commented on how English people all followed the government rules & seemed scared. I wasn’t quite sure if he was joking or not?

I have totally gone off Radio 4, but will get off here now and go and listen to Toby!

I am sitting on a plane in Luton airport. I went through security and boarding without a mask. Nobody said anything about it.
Everyone was wearing masks except in cafes. Virus is avoiding cafes.
I was asked to put mask on on the plane but it is on my chin. Nobody cares.

Have a good trip! Get a good tan on your chin!

Same at Bristol, but then mask Karen flight attendant policed it like a hawk on the easyJet flight!

The flight wasn’t too bad as I took the mask off after a few minutes having it on my chin until we landed. The crew couldn’t care less.
Passengers were taking their masks off for food and drink so nobody cared about anyone’s masks.

Use it as an eye mask to help you doze off, if it’s a long flight.

Update from Norfolk coast ! Compliance still too high but interestingly the tone of a lot of the signs in shop windows has changed a lot – from screaming “no mask no entry” to please wear a mask but we know there are medical exceptions (often taking a couple of goes to get there). Local farm shop today none the staff masked – number of customers allowed into shop has doubled and worker on the till couldn’t have been friendlier. Just a guess but suspect they have all seen the reduction in footfall / trade since introduction and are now trying to soften message to get people in. Maybe the odd sceptic has got to them too.

You rock Julie!!

Interview with Mr Bhakdi. https://youtu.be/u0cIaQwAw2A
Sucharit Bhakdi über COVID-19 Impfung und Immunität – Untersuchungsausschuß ACU-www.acu2020.org 2

https://yt3.ggpht.com/a/AATXAJx_tfVH36FhTovH0ZoQRo9eGOQ5zTIQzvu54WSy=s88-c-k-c0xffffffff-no-rj-mo
Prof. Dr. med. Sucharit Bhakdi

Warum sind über 80% der nordeuropäischen Bevölkerung von vorn herein gegen SARS-CoV-2 ausreichend geschützt? Menschen unter 65 Jahre sind zu über 99% immun. Eine Impfung birgt für sie ausschließlich Risiken und keinen Nutzen. Gen-basierte Impfstoffe sind für alle Menschen brandgefährlich.

Es handelt sich hier um ein Interview für den Außerparlamentarischen Corona Untersuchungsausschuss (ACU), dem ich angeboten habe, als Sachverständiger zur Verfügung zu stehen. Es ist ein Re-Upload von der Originalquelle: Außerparlamentarischer Corona Untersuchungsausschuss (ACU) https://acu2020.org/hearings/

Die Aktualisierung der Buches “Corona: Fehlalarm?” zum Thema Immunität/Impfung ist in der neuen englischen Version erhalten, welches auch zusätzliche Quellenangaben und noch mehr Details enthält. In der deutschen Version wird dieses Kapitel in der nächsten Auflage aktualisiert.Die Zusammenfassung der Themen Immunität und Impfung wird demnächst auch auf der Homepage unseres Buchverlages Goldegg kostenlos als pdf zum download bereitgestellt werden.

Google translation (please do feel free to improve any dodgy aspects of the machine translation):

“ Why are over 80% of the Northern European population sufficiently protected against SARS-CoV-2 from the start? People under the age of 65 are over 99% immune. Vaccination bears only risks and no benefits for them. Gene-based vaccines are extremely dangerous to everyone.

This is an interview for the Extra-Parliamentary Corona Investigation Committee (ACU), to which I have offered to be available as an expert. It is a re-upload from the original source: Extra-parliamentary Corona Investigation Committee (ACU) https://acu2020.org/hearings/

The update of the book “Corona: False Alarm?” on the subject of immunity / vaccination is available in the new English version, which also contains additional sources and even more details. In the German version, this chapter will be updated in the next edition. The summary of the topics of immunity and vaccination will soon be available as a free PDF download on the homepage of our book publisher Goldegg .”

NHS data shows in the UK about 300 people under 60 with no known medical conditions have died with/from covid19.

Statistics on reported road casualties in Great Britain for the year ending June 2019 shows there were: 1,870 reported road deaths.

So, if my maths is right, an under 60 healthy person in the UK is SIX TIMES MORE likely to die in a road collision than from covid 19

Let’s push a few swerving zombies under buses and help keep the
statistics favourable.

No need to push. In my experience, they seem perfectly happy to jump.

One swerved towards my car, as I was leaving Chester about 40 minutes ago, swaying onto the road to avoid a group of pedestrians in front him. I played chicken with him. It was his choice between me and the Covids, and I won.

Earlier this summer one woman panicked when she saw me and swerved into the bicycle path to avoid me just when a bus turned the corner. Three seconds later and she would have had a far worse shock. I was sitting down on a concrete step at the time, drinking espresso laced with O’Casey’s Irish Cream and listening to Wes Montgomery and Jimmy playing ‘Night Train’.

I was just looking at those figures earlier. It’s an average of 5 deaths per day, plus 70 ‘serious injuries’ per day. So, they are more worried about catching a bad cold than getting a real injury or maybe losing a limb.

Sent my FOI request answers about PCR tests to the City Mayors/Councils of Oldham, Leicester, Birmingham, Walsall, Manchester and Aberdeen.

Not one reply so they are all playing along with the game no matter what the “mayor” says.

I even called the leader of Walsall’s appearance on Central News an embarrassment to the council.

No answer about the open letter to Boris Johnson nor from the Parliamentary Committee on Health and Social care.

No answer from WTTC, FSB, Trentham Estates, Cunard/Carnival, BBPA, Fox, Sky Australia, the newsaccess or OFCOM, ITV, BBC, Sky News with official complaints etc so no-one gives a flying fuck they are being suckered.

I think they are all part of it now.

Toby was sidelined and basically ignored yesterday, no surprise there.

Not even our Universe is forever.

I thought the Oldham council leader was very sound in an interview this morning. He said testing had gone up!

It’s driving me mad that no one is being held to account over any of this.

Oh boy here we go with another ‘expert’ keeping the doom and gloom going
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8653639/Covid-present-FOREVER-warns-SAGE-scientist.html

Comments section impressive though

Piles and piles of likes for sceptical comments – more than 1000 in one instance.

I like this one:

Tony Benn once said always ask this when dealing with people in a position of power. “What power have you got. Where did you get it? In whose interests does it serve? To whom are you accountable? And how do we get rid of you?”

I think he gave the example of Bill Gates in that quote . How can we get rid of him?

Know any snipers?

heh heh !

These pseudo-scientific twats are undermining their own case. If Covid wee to be ever-present, then we need to shrug our shoulders at this mild disease and just get on with life without wasting time with pie-in-the-sky vaccines that aren’t merited by such an infection.

Indeed. There’s a kind of intellectual momentum that carries these people forward with one obsessive focus, to pile idiocy upon foolishness, even as the facts change to make it openly absurd (or in this case, even more patently absurd than it always was).

“When the facts change, I change my opinion” is all too rare an approach.

I know, right? There’s no shame in it….”what? Well this new information changes EVERYTHING!” Is an understandable reaction.

It’s a travesty when people become wedded to an idea contrary to all emerging evidence. You see it often enough with the police, determined to prove people guilty, and now with politicians….but it should never happen with scientists.

Turns out scientists are human beings too…

But as you suggest, it’s kind of against the fundamentals of science in a way that it isn’t for other areas. It really is worse for supposed scientists to be that way, surely?

Here’s the problem: science has been hijacked by big business and politics.

It’s the new system of “religious” control. Just as the Church hijacked the beautiful teachings of Yeshua ben-Yosef, bastardised them, and thereby built itself an empire of wealth and power, so has the scientific method been kidnapped by those who seek profit and control.

In generations gone by, “what the priest says” or “what the Pope says” was taken as unchallengeable Truth.

Now the same tactics are used when “science says” whatever Big Business or Big Government wants it to say in order to fleece our hard-earned income or remove our civil rights.

In this scamdemic, I have ONLY trusted the findings of independent scientists. Any scientist in the pockets of Big Pharma, Big Tech and especially the Gates Foundation, is bought and paid for and NOT to be believed without doing your due diligence. These people ultimately work for a clique of multibillionaire shysters who either want to make money off all us mugs, or take away our freedom.

Nah, climate science has been doing it for 30 years or more, it’s the norm now – concensus dontcha know (= groupthink = fr**d)

” Science ” can never be as objective as it wants you to believe, it will always be a mess of subjective bias..

‘This is a virus that is going to be with us forever in some form or another and almost certainly will require repeated vaccinations,’ he said.
‘So, a bit like flu, people will need re-vaccination at regular intervals.’
The scientist also warned that it is ‘possible’ the virus will get ‘out of control’ again, but said more targeted measures can now be used instead of a generic lockdown.

GRRRR!

No, people do not “need” re-vaccination at regular intervals – the Pharma industry “needs” to sell us their product at regular intervals.

We already have a flu vaccine. In 2017-18 we had 50,000+ excess UK deaths, attributed to flu. In a population where most people get the flu jab. Wow. Impressive. The wonders of “science”.

Perhaps what people really “need” is to get their vitamin D levels optimised, get out in the sunshine, breathe fresh air, and stop eating junk food.

Not a profitable line of advice, unfortunately.

SAGE numpty says Covid is here for ever.
MPs and Krankie say Covid must be eliminated.
Impasse.

“Residents in those areas are not allowed to socialise with anyone from outside their household, as of midnight tonight.”

Utter tosh. I wouldn’t be told what I can or can’t do if I were those residents. In fact, I would organise gatherings of big males in anticipation of the police sticking their Nazi noses in.

A twitter encounter with a zealot from the cult at the forefront of tyrannising the country (an equivalent of the Nazi SS)

there is a big rally on sat 29 aug in Trafalgar Square as part of an international protest
Piers Corbyn will be speaking and Dolores Cahill amongst others

Invite standup comics as well.

I have been looking at Questioning Covid , the new international website for sceptics, posted in today’s roundup. It has a large collection of video testimonials from doctors, nurses and other health experts and whistleblowers. I have seen many of them but to see them all in one place is very powerful. A great place to send those who are starting to question …

How did you tag the link so it opens in a new window?

I just cut and pasted it from the round up above.

Right click on it and select ‘open in new tab’. MW

For Windows? Right click the link and you have a menu. The top option is to open the link in a new tab.

It does seem to have some interesting material (although not much there yet), but I question characterising it as “international”. All the links I’ve opened have been to videos by Americans. For those who aren’t familiar with it, OSHA stands for Occupational Safety and Health Administration, part of the US federal government. American is not the world.

Oh, apologies if any of the speakers are Canadian, but I checked most of the links and the speakers I followed up on are American.

Okay I was being lazy -I just cut and pasted Toby’s description of the website.

Maybe because it’s new and starting to grow?

Lots of interesting videos but nowhere does it say who runs this site.

That’s true. I wonder if it is supposed to be anonymous ? I know in Melbourne two lockdown protest organisers were arrested before the event and charged with incitement. There is a huge effort worldwide to quash dissent.

Fantastic! Thanks! Another link to add to my growing library.

Guess where Layla Moran “studied” mathematics before coming an MP?

You got it: Imperial College London. No link to our favourite billionaire there then is there? Also Brunel University which is linked to Bill Gates in 2013.

Dad worked for the EU his whole life.

From what I can tell she’s never had a job except teaching physics for a few years she never meant to do from what I can tell in this interview:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/17-from-17-layla-moran-on-her-anarchism-and-the-demise-of-british-politics_uk_5a142720e4b0c335e99742ac?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9lbi53aWtpcGVkaWEub3JnLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAA1YueMXfh1TI5JUflqs9ZEbpf5TgKRk09wrDPItXbmYERd0pY2BmtXl8HJsYZuf4UVMwxuFF4R–J6BQmJAO3p3tffD2-9SOxEeKcwWdIO34mz3uxMJHVXijFtjNSJleo7tw9Qmy5v6QrsksNwB8AKc90SlDnwCv4iNfA_Z3mh5 .

Yeah, Bill Gates donated $79 million to Imperial College this year – it’s done a lot to improve the quality of our lives hasn’t it ?

Hey I studied at Imperial and I’m a sceptic. Back in the day, they did train us to be proper scientists. Open minded, analysing the data and constantly questioning.

I am not sure when it all went wrong. I graduated over 25 years ago.

I think ICL as an institution will rue the day it took the Gates vaccine shilling in much the same way as neighbour LSE did for the Gaddafi shilling. Some great people and departments at both, but the senior management team just a little too fond of money!

They made a pact with the devil and I think they’re credibility is shot.

Defund Imperial College!

Moles are no longer a problem of the secret service. Now they’re everywhere.

Just listening to TalkRADIO, I do not know who the presenter is but the guest is Robert Rinder of “Judge Rinder” TV show? who apparently had cv19 early on in the pandemic.
These are not exact words he said that the illness was not nice, but you would not wish it on your worst enemy, but the media talking up the death rate every day was worst than the illness.

He then went on to say that “anti-vaxers” are dangerous.

Yep, judge rinder. The ‘influencers’ are starting to come out of the woodwork.

My grandma is still yet to be given any clear treatment or care plan for the pancreatic cancer diagnosis she received 1 month ago.

The diagnosis came off the back of some scans and tests done when she self-admitted to A&E 2 months ago, feeling extremely unwell.

She had in fact been feeling unwell for months, deterred from seeking medical attention to ‘protect the NHS’. My grandfather and Aunty finally forced her to go.

She wants to visit family in Japan (and have the holiday that was stolen from her in March) but this will mean that any chance of chemo cannot begin until late October due to the 2 weeks of quarantine she will have to have, both when she arrives there and when she comes back.

I don’t know how different things would be if things had been picked up sooner without the ‘crisis’, we never will.

I have tried to wake her up so she can live a little in the short time she has left instead of cowering in isolation, but she is too brainwashed to see that. It is heartbreaking.

From an old Dr Who story I read as a child:

‘There is no dishonour in dying, but there is a terrible shame in giving up life.’

Yes – a good quotation as an indictment of our present society.

A thousand thumbs up from me. Exactly how I feel

Sorry to hear about your grandma. Is she Japanese? As far as I’m aware they are not letting any foreigners into the country at the moment. How is she getting around that?

The links to useful resources which are posted on here need a permanent location, perhaps I brief description and the link, so that these very useful references can be referred back to without having to search past LS pages.

Maybe in the forum, or on a separate blog or web page?

Someone needs to step up and volunteer to do the cataloguing. Perhaps you, DoubtingDave, since you’ve mentioned the need?

Posting from an Android I am very selective when clicking links as the return normally takes me back to Toby’s page and I have to work my way to back where I started.

If you post a useful resource here, you should also post it in the forums so it can easily be found.

This seems like a really good moment to mention that when I have donated to this site I’ve always had a personal message from Toby (sent from an iPhone, so presumably his own) which suggests to me that they run this site on a shoestring so just a hint to anyone considering it, I’m sure all financial contributions would be very grateful received . Go to the SHAMELESS BEGGING bit at the bottom of the latest page. It is really simple.

In response to your comment, I expect they’re run off their feet with this but it sounds like a good idea.

“ A bedwetting group of MPs, led by the Liberal Democratic leadership hopeful Layla Moran, has urged the Government to commit to a ‘zero Covid’ strategy. “

A selection of our “elite” (in status terms alone) who seemingly have never heard of diminishing returns and have no understanding of the concept of cost versus benefit.

cv19 is here, and here to stay, whether real or make-believe it is here and we have to live with it.

Maybe we ought to be paying more attention to the likes of TB, which is on the rise but the population are no longer inoculated to get protection against it.

Who could ever trust a politician or anyone with a position of power after the last few month?

Layla Moran interview with Iain Dale on LBC I listened to it live when it was broadcast and something shocked me at the time, not related to cv19, will have to watch the video to remind me. I know I should never be shocked by anything any politician has to say.

Found it she is a supporter of Universal Basic Income, but only after the start of cv19.

I had a TB jab at school and remember it being spoken of with fear by the oldies but as something in theit recent past.
It was far more serious than Covid attacking all and sundry regardless of age, gender, ethnicity but it got the poor more because of still squalid living conditions.
My city still has its TB isolation hospital (re-functioned) and so probably does yours.
It took two generations to get rid of TB by a determined policy of rigid isolation.

It is not ‘re-emerging’ in this country it is being reintroduced from distant lands.

Interestingly it was claimed those who had the BCG vaccine for TB was shown to have some immunity from Covid. Also of note the USA didn’t vaccinate against TB. Note Boris was born in New York so wasn’t vaccinated against TB perhaps if he had been he wouldn’t have caught Covid?

That should be easy enough to check, if they still know how to trawl through paper records.

Remember the scab well still carry the scare

Who could ever trust authority of any kind.

I never would again. Its not great waking up and realising its all one big scam and I’m not just talking about Covid here, the whole Establishment thing is a scam. Life, religion, justice. A scam to make the little people malleable so we’ll cause less trouble.

There are many in Layla’s constituency with links to various parts of the University of Oxford research base (medical and scientific), including world experts in TB. Try getting your kid vaccinated against TB, though, because ‘it’s been eradicated’. We paid to have it done privately. I will use this in my defence when they round me up as one of the CV vaccine refuseniks!

Viruses (virii) don’t have Going Zero done to them but they can both fade away all by themselves (to be replaced by yet another, ) or mutate all by themselves into something more benign like the Common Cold and thus become the Most Successful Virus In The History Of The World.

If you want to be super-pedantic, the plural of virus is virus (short u in the singular, long u in the plural).The original meaning was ‘poison’.

Like sheep not sheeps!

“zero Covid” (or “Covid zero”) is surely a total dead-end now the virus has become more or less endemic worldwide. But it seems like a dead-end rabbit hole that “progressive” “elite” political and media elements are starting to fall into.
It can’t possibly work, but how much longer this nightmare will be drawn out, and how much more damage done in the progress, by attempts to implement it, God only knows!

And after reading this https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1296831401187319808
I may never vote Green again… The only positive is that a lot – more than half – of the comments are very sceptical, not least this one “Absolute travesty. Wake up call for any who considered the Greens an alternative voice”

You shouldn’t have voted Green in the first place. They are part of the problem. Zero this, Zero that. When I was in the U.S. Army in Georgia, all the Dixie Cups/Styrofoam Cups had ‘Zero Defects’ printed on them. Zero has been around for a long time, even though it’s an impossible goal for anyone, or anything, to ever achieve.

At least you’ve woken up!

It’s kind of depressing that intelligent people should be so divorced from reality as to tweet this stuff.

Although it was very ‘surprising’ to see the make up of the cross-part group she chairs (David Davis – he needs to get out more!), for Layla this is a no-lose situation if you know anything of the constituency she represents. Sadly, I do!

David Davis – a real disappointment in this coronapanic test. Though not as much for me as it was for our MIA farinances, iirc….

The creep creeps on.

from Edinburgh live today.
A high school in Edinburgh has made it compulsory for all pupils and staff to wear face coverings, according to reports.

In a memo to parents, the school said face coverings will be compulsory from 8am on Monday morning for all pupils and staff.

Government coronavirus guidelines say that pupils and teachers should be supported to wear a face covering if they wish to do so, but they are not mandatory.

Rachel Johnson’s piece is properly brilliant, really could help bring left wingers and remainers in to the anti-lockdown cause. We need to be spreading it widely, it is so good to see proof that this anti-lockdown opinon exists in a wider category of people than the typical pro-lockdownists like to beleive (they claim we are all Trump Supporting, Brexiteer, Right Wingers)

I’m a lefty and remain voter, but have been a sceptic since day one. Quite astonished by how many on the left support lockdowns, considering how much damage it does to so many issues they supposedly care about. I had to stop reading the Guardian a while ago. So disappointed in that newspaper. I check in every now and then to see what the columnists are saying – strangely quiet about coronavirus itself, but having lots of moans about the consequences of lockdown. If only they were able to join the dots…

Turns out human rights are only important if the establishment lefties aren’t scared enough (of a jumped up flu, ffs!) to abandon them. (Obviously, the lefties on here aren’t in that hypocritical category).

The Johnson government is behaving like the EU. How about that?

It shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone afterall he is at heart a Remainer, as is his family. The man’s a fraud, he’s no Conservative either!

My story is exactly the same as yours. Except now I’d vote Leave if given the choice again, after learning a bit more about how the EU operates.

I’m not sure what my politics are now. To be honest I feel I would support any party or individual who took a honest stand against this madness. Certainly I never thought 6 months ago I would want to cancel my BBC TV licence and would prefer reading the Daily Telegraph to any other paper!
I’ve totally lost faith in the opposition parties and the media who support them, it feels like they are fundamentally “not the friend” of the general public and are rather enjoying the opportunity this crisis gives them.

Similarly I’ve had it with Biden in the US after his “wear masks everywhere and save 40,000 lives” (or was it 400,000?), seems like his equivalent of Trump’s “why not inject yourself with bleach” speech. To be honest after his sidelining of Fauci and appointing Scott Atlas, I feel less loathing for Trump than for his opponents at the minute! For all his many, many faults, he does seem to be genuinely outside the political “establishment” and so at least partly immune to (or simply oblivious to) the suffocating groupthink around Covid politics.

I agree totally, I feel very like you about the media, I never in a million yrs thought I woud be sympathetic to Trump but I do see the point he has been making that the media have it in for him, and he does indeed seem to be quite outside the normal establishment which, I guess, is another reason they have it in for him. If he was not so hopeless at appointing advisors and talented at spreading chaos he might have had a chance.

Though some of us certainly are Trump supporting (faute de mieux), Brexiteer, and right wing, and proud of it.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.28.225102v1

Malaria drug artesunate effective against SARS-Corona 2

https://www.rfi.fr/en/africa/20200624-artemisia-shows-promise-against-covid-19-in-lab-tests-say-researchers?ref=tw

Artesunate comes from worm wood Artemisia which in the above linked has been used against C-19.

https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1297095518586380288

Madagascar had a natural progression of the pandemic now in burn out. Very few deaths
“Madagascar is in pandemic burnout mode. It has tackled the disease with the local antimalarial artemisia. Its Case Fatality Rate of 1.3% compares well to Africa’s 2.3%. ”
“But it is Madagascar’s President Rajoelina who had grabbed the spotlight for his promotion of the Malagasy herbal tea, despite questions surrounding the scientific basis for his claims and the actual ingredients of the drink itself besides artemisia. “

 Not sure whether it means that they used intravenous artesunate (anti malaria) or if he refers to the herbal tea used by the crank president.

Here is the ever reliable Ivor Cummins interviewing Dr Ron Daniels, ICU Consultant in Birmingham- both pouring cold water on the 2nd wave nonsense! Worth posting again in case anyone missed it last week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_BHZCYAAsY

Just to mention the goings on around ‘Zero’. Zero Covid as mentioned above is distinctly different from Covid Zero.

As posted yesterday DELVE (and therefore SAGE) contributor Devi Sirdhar stated that Zero cases is never going to happen. In the context of Sturgeons stated Covid Zero plan Devi put forth the concept that zero is just about as much elimination as possible. Seek out the tweet on Devi’s twitter feed – this is how public health is managed by these dangerous social engineers.

What I am saying badly is – people need to pay very close attention to what exactly these terms mean. Further what each member of these groups think they mean.

There 5.5 million people here who think sturgeon is gunning for total eradication. When her chief advisor Devi comes up with contrary statement.

The battle is becoming one of meaning attributed to words.

What the actual fuck?
It’s like the People’s Front of Judaea.
You couldn’t make it up

Agree.

Well said.

Sturgeon is a Zero but is still hanging around. When will she eliminate herself?

Just listened to Toby on Radio 4’s Any Questions. As soon as he started to put the sceptic viewpoint, the presenter tried to cut him off. He was given about half as much talk time as the boring politicians. And that idiot Charles Clarke is STILL trying to talk up identity cards!

It was entirely unsurprising that Charles “your papers please” Clarke was the most enthusiastic for enforcing the literally stupid quarantine policy.

I did come away a bit concerned that the idiot chatter seems to be focused on pushing our government of fools to increase the level of theatrics in this area. Doubtless a few unlucky individuals will be “made an example of”.

I was stuck in traffic last night, listening to LBC and prof David King of alternative SAGE “fame” was on, going on about R and how this was very worrying, and we should “press the panic button”. Whoever was hosting only let through coronaphobes to comment so as to give the impression it was reasonable.

But in King’s statements of “facts” there was a lot of misinformation. He said more people were dying of COVID than ‘flu and that the “cases” that we had seen an increase in were all sick people with symptoms. His tone was verging on hysterical. I actually think he sounded on the verge of senility. Why does this guy get any airtime?

Much more sensible presenter this morning on with Andrew Castle (no idea who he is) who seemed to be an emerging sceptic (“was this all a massive overreaction?”…..er YES)

I’ve gone past the stage of trying to reason with people who repeat this guff (David king) and simply say they are lying to you every day, sometimes bothering to give an example or show a screenshot ONS chart.

Yeah. Waste of energy. None so blind as those who will not see, etc.

It’s incredible. Relentless propaganda from people who are themselves insane. MW

Hitler’s entourage were all certifiably insane and given free rein. Look what they did.

I sent a friend a link to a government website admitting the “with/probably” covid numbers game, it was if I had told her I believe in shapeshifting lizard overlords.

Have you got the link Nat?

DavidC

I am in Australia so I am not sure if it is what you are looking for but here it is, same bloody racket
https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/1205.0.55.001

That theory is starting to look sensible

More sensible than the official story !

Article about David King, doesn’t inspire much confidence:

The number of diesel cars sharply increased after the Labour government cut fuel duty on diesel vehicles in 2001. Challenged about the move on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, King said on Tuesday: “It turns out we were wrong.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/apr/04/fuel-duty-cut-for-diesel-cars-was-wrong-says-ex-chief-science-adviser

And another:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4380806/Man-dash-diesel-called-C02-worse-terror.html

He is very bitter that he did not get the Nobel prize that he so clearly thinks he should have done. In common parlance ‘hell hath no fury like a woman scorned’, but I can assure you that ‘hell hath no fury like an arrogant male scientist scorned of the ultimate accolade’! Let’s also not forget the part he played – with Neil Ferguson – in the Foot & Mouth fiasco that nearly led to the mass slaughter of nearly every cloven-hooved animal in Great Britain. He sees this as his redemption, but he is wrong again!

Yup, he’s been bleating the same hysterical bullshit about climate change for years (everyone will have to live in Antarctica soon). UK column has an excellent documentary on F&M – people should have been prosecuted for that (probably including King & Ferguson). Appalling.

This was posted this morning …. so for those that missed it
https://twitter.com/gmpolice
See how Manchester police prioritised policing yesterday
Loads of tweets similar to this
“Officers attended a house in #Droylsden and dispersed 7 adults all from different households. Homeowner has been issued with a fixed penalty notice”

Fuck off!
Sorry, I write what immediately pops into my head sometime.

Oh how I love lockdown, so I can destroy
A child’s birthday party, such innocent joy,
All meetings of friends to share love and good will,
Every family occasion, all that’s good I can kill.
This flourishing police state fulfils my ambition:
To totally blight the whole human condition.

(Annie finds out with horror, now that birthday’s her song,
She’s beginning to sound rather like Patience Strong.)

Yes, know someone from the Manchester vicinity, she has got not dissimilar stories – pensioners who copied or pasted something from a blog that mentioned gender had police on their doorstep within a few hours.Gotta love the Police priorities… London has it well nailed on. Sadiq Khan has made it a priority to crack down on racist road names, Squares, and murals. Knife crime & acid attacks are at record levels, overwhelming % of burglaries not investigated… but Cadogan Square? Russell Square? how dare they!

good to see that the MoS has picked up on this

More than 100 MPs have written to Boris Johnson after the coronavirus lockdown caused severe disruption to cancer diagnoses and treatments. They have called on him to deliver an emergency boost to treatment capacity.

Five months too late!
Johnson should be put on trial, along with all his cabinet and supporters.

The whole lot of MPs should be put on trial for putting us all under house arrest and precipitating an economic and social calamity.

Hi Richard riewer where was that info shared? I want to see if “my” MP is on the list.

It was the second of Toby’s articles today, with a big photo of your PM.

Yep, we gone from importing Chinese goods to importing their style of government.

Lack of dissent I think comes from the fact that almost everyone bought into the panic to start with. Dissent is limited to those who didn’t buy the BS from day one or are big enough to admit they got it wrong. It’s a small group.

This morning we watched the Royal Scot go past – one of the steam specials which we sometimes get on the Hope Valley Line. There were a lot of people around to watch it on a certain station with not a mask in sight in the sideways rain (something we do very well up here!) The platform shelter was fairly packed; I counted 2 masks and a scarf.

The train came through – an awesome spectacle and sound, complete with a whistle for the crowd. It was really ‘going like a train’ up the hill with lots of mucky smoke and steam coming out of the stacks. All that fossil fuel – it seemed like a rebellion! AG’s train-nerd brother says the engine was doing 6 beats to a bar, if anyone’s interested. There were people in the vintage carriages, mostly at tables, and we didn’t notice any masks. Presumably they were all ‘dining’ throughout their journey – I do hope so.

We met a former Tory local councillor and his partner who shook my hand. He’s a really nice bloke but has totally bought all the propaganda because lives on ArseBook. We told him a few things and he was at least listening. Sadly, he’s one of those ‘see both sides’ chaps who will smile and agree his way into the hell-hole.

Anyway, he told us that, at the height of the ‘pandemic’, he’d posted on FB that a doctor friend had told him that the local hospital was empty with no CV19 patients. (Funny that, since its catchment area, Stockport, is currently locked down again because there are so many new ‘cases’!) The Labour county councillor, someone we have always thought was a good egg, replied, telling him not to spread fake news. He asked her if she was calling his friend a liar but she didn’t bother to reply. So, there’s another Labour politician, cheer-leading the tyranny – brilliant!

The anticlimax was the arrival of the nearly empty local northern service, complete with a few dreary zombies. They used to be packed to the rafters on a Saturday. There were shouts of ‘follow that!’

Anyway, the sheer exuberance and power of the steam train was uplifting and, as a reminder of our industrial heritage and the old normal, a symbol of hope. MW

Just reading through Toby’s article above re the APPG zero covid stance and his rebuttal.
Toby, you should be ashamed. Several times you state “….. have died of Covid-19″ .. But we all know this should be “……have died WITH Covid” or “……. have died having been tested positive for Covid”

Yes, agreed, and once again, Toby, please stop propagating the ‘cases’ myth. They are not cases – they are people with positive test results. MW

Words are powerful. We must beware of bad habits and say what we actually mean.

Don’t know much about st jacinda but after watching this I don’t like the cut of her jib.

https://youtu.be/xvP_R9snOSY

I love it! ‘If you do not hear it from us, it is not the truth’. Hilarious!

DavidC

A High Court just ruled her first lockdown was unlawful. I hope this is a sign of things to come.

I’ve just posted above – the first one was unlawful but because of law changes since then it’s no longer unlawful. Madness.

DavidC

Good grief! You can trust us! You can trust us. Dismiss every other source of info.

Translates as “You can trust us – NOT!!”

She’s awful. That’s the 1st time I’ve ever watched her speak. It’s as if even her face is being controlled by someone else

I was just standing, Socially Distant, behind mr bean in a small co op I don’t usually use. After making a hash of buying lottery tickets he Span around and almost bumped into me shocked at my not wearing a mask. His look annoyed me so I said
“You’re wearing a mask yet ignore the one way system and expect me to move ?”
He scurried off in the ‘right’ direction as the man behind the till smiled.
Stunning and brave ? No I was quite a bit bigger than him.

Leaving the shop a young boy is walking up the hill in front of his mum, he tugs his mask down and mum, with another child in tow, leans over him to pull it back up and repeat… so this is clearly habitual.
Thing is the lad is right, under 11s are not required to wear and neither does anybody in the open air. Hopefully this will sear Into his mind a hatred of the bloody things.

The quote regarding Birmingham seems to confirm my suspicions about the local lockdowns being a tool of psychological manipulation and control, rather than a genuine (though misguided and misinformed) attempt to control the virus.

“If our previous warnings to keep doing the basics haven’t been enough, this has to be the wake-up call for everyone,” he said. “Wash your hands, wear face coverings wherever possible, keep two metres apart from others and get tested if you have COVID-19 symptoms.”

I can’t believe any of the government’s scientific advisors really believe that local lockdowns are necessary (or effective) at this stage, or are unaware that cases are actually falling if increased testing is taken into account.

But they’re a very effective way of keeping people afraid and keeping people convinced that all these “basics” measures are still necessary. Even daily “infection” (aka positive test) counts, are now insufficient for this (daily death tolls already having been quietly sidelined), so without the local lockdowns people would gradually drift back towards normality, and would soon start to wake up to the fact that they don’t really need to be scared anymore.

The Sky News feature last week on pubs in Oldham (can’t remember the link) seems like part of this propaganda… the message is “don’t think you can get away with this!”

If our previous warnings to keep doing the basics haven’t been enough, this has to be the wake-up call for everyone,” he said. “Wash your hands, wear face coverings wherever possible, keep two metres apart from others and get tested if you have COVID-19 symptoms.”

That’s 4 NO’s then .

Are we outnumbered? Will those running the coup achieve their goals? It’s looking more and more likely going by today’s news. Think I may be bowing out sooner than I feared I’d need to. Have a few regrets but not many. Ironic considering my name I know!

Bowing out meaning….?

Always outnumbered, never outgunned.

Hopeful, I felt like you but I have started feeling more hopeful myself in the last couple of days – there seems to be a shift towards scepticism in the MSM and the public, and certain politicians are starting to be held accountable ( Victorian Premier and NZ PM) We are being challenged like never before, but I believe it could be the making of us too.

It is time to unmask our oppressors.

Big job. Anyone who voluntarily wears a face nappy is one of them.

It has not been a good week for Chairman Dan in Melbourne. There is currently an inquiry into his handling of the hotel quarantines. The inquiry has heard evidence from nurses, security guards and guests from quarantine hotels describing a shambolic approach to infectious disease control.

The Intelligence Section of the COVID-19 Public Health Incident Management ( ! ) provided evidence that the entire second wave, that led to the second lockdown, had been traced back to these quarantine hotels.

https://amp.smh.com.au/national/as-the-second-wave-eases-will-the-premier-s-prevarications-hurt-him-20200821-p55nxj.html?fbclid=IwAR1j6uTEnv2FRaeF9MdcZrwgz_zi2wIDY-x26Yi8b-2474m6DaYmHFMHqns

And a Victorian Police Chief refuted another of his reasons for implementing stage 4 Lockdown. Daniels had claimed that 1 in 4 Victorians were ignoring isolation conditions and “not taking this seriously”. On Friday Police Chief Rick Nugent stated that “Police had completed 297,000 compliance checks to date with 43 fines issued for breaching isolation conditions. For the most part community compliance has been outstanding” he said.

https://www.news.com.au/national/the-justification-for-victorias-lockdown-is-built-on-very-very-loose-sand/video/828abd5cd6c30a120cab3a66e6275c9a

This week saw Andrews inadvertently reveal his government’s fix for keeping infection rates high, when he moaned that they had run out of people to test to provide the needed numbers. I think they have tested every single one of us in Melbourne, and have resorted to trawling the outer reaches of the state to ratchet up numbers. I wouldn’t put it past them to test the sheep.

I truly hope this is the start of a major backlash against the premier, it is desperately needed as he moves to extend state of emergency capabilities indefinitely :

“Daniels Andrews is working with the state’s solicitor-general to introduce new legislation and amendments to allow authorities to extend the state of emergency for as long as necessary.”

http://www.news.com.au/national/vic-premier-moves-to-extend-state-of-emergency-capabilities-indefinitely/video/33c6bc50e2176e504d3e738c9309b696

It’s not a coincidence that the premier who stuffed up the quarantine of incoming travellers and got caught out has turned into the biggest Nazi.

His example is a microcosm of what we are experiencing around the world. Governments that completely screwed up and are now overdoing it so they cannot be accused of any blood being on their hands.

It shows the worst effects of spineless governments combined with irresponsible, sensationalist media.

Yes that’s true. Some more good news is that a High Court in NZ found the first lockdown was unlawful. I hope it’s a sign they are finally being held accountable.

It was but unfortunately they changed the laws so it’s no longer unlawful.

DavidC

I hope it causes them some damage at least. I read people will be able to make claims for the brief period between the lockdown and the date they changed the law

Melbourne citizens should all e-mail (or even better, write an actual letter) their dictator, as public gatherings are sadly not allowed, opposing the measures and offering FORGIVENESS for his actions. Maybe even hint they will vote for him again, which of course they will not.

You would be amazed at how many people support him still… I really hope this catches on with the public.

I live in the UK but I do like the idea of sending actual letters – could make a bit more of an impression than emails if they all turned up at once. Here Johnson sent us all a letter, so we could all return the favour. Soon as he returns from his holidays.

I posted this twice by mistake – does anyone know if there a way to delete it ?

I dont think dangling from a lamppost would be too good for him. The man is mad.

Mad, dangerous and evil !

Let’s all set up a crowd-funder to donate some Tanzanian paw-paw fruit to Melbourne for Andrews to test. That will boost up the positive case numbers.

heh heh

Anders Tegnell: ” Sweden had a long-established plan for a pandemic, Mr Tegnell said, and was going to stick to it.  People should be sensible, wash their hands, avoid public transport and keep a safe distance, but that was it.

Closing schools was ‘meaningless’. Shutting borders was ‘ridiculous’. Masks were, by and large, a waste of time. Shops and restaurants should stay open.

And when interviewers asked why Sweden was not following Germany, France and Britain in locking down, Mr Tegnell had a robust answer. Other countries, he said, had ‘panicked’. But panicking was not the Swedish way.”

Boris (the Fake Churchill) panicked and we are all paying the price.

Go Sweden!

I remember a time when panicking was not the British way either.

When did this country lose its mettle?

1997

Swedes 1 – Turnips 0

Reminds me of a notice in a supermarket in Harwich, where the ferries dock from Scandinavia.
It was in the vegetable section and read SWEDES CUT IN TWO HERE.

The reasons for carrying masks is supposedly to reduce transmission from mildly ill C-19 patients and the majority of cases seem to be in this category. There is in my opinion a high risk that masks for the general public increase the risk for transmission especially now as we have a more transmissible virus with perhaps less virulence. Mask does not stop the virus inside the cloth. It can be found outside the mask up to 7 days. Even though theoretically stopping droplet spread (but not airborne viral particles) they instead contaminate the mask and high risk of contamination of fingers.

Let us take France and Greece where 30-40 % smoke. A smoker with 20 cigarettes a day need to take on and off the mask 20 times. Do you think this fellow will run into the toilet and wash his hands every time? No. He would have a fair amount of virus on his hands when he goes to his café and takes his morning ouzo. A hygienic meticulous waiter will clean up his table for his breakfast but forget to clean the chair. The smoker drags out the chair and places some billion viruses on the chair to be picked up by the next customer. Almost everywhere you see masked people using their I phones but often take off partly their masks whilst talking. Never seen them rush into the toilet to clean their hands. There are millions of such interactions each day fiddling with the masks.

It is very interesting to see Spain, Italy, France and Greece following the same mask pattern. During the height of the pandemic in March April nobody had masks. Then when the cases fell and opening up almost all of them mandated masks inside but not compulsory outside. When the cases picked up in all these countries the usual inept politicians mandated mask outside in a quixotic way of stopping the virus. After that the numbers increase even more. There are umpteen cases in the world now that in the exponential phase of the first wave masks had no effect at all. Masks increase transmission. Hand washing is the only evidence-based action which reduces transmission. This has been known for 150 years.

It is quite another subject to say that we should really promote spread in 20-65 years to quickly reach herd immunity instead of delaying the day of reckoning. Nobody promised that social distancing would reduce the cases in total, just spread them over time. We had the chance of selecting a good time to do that, summertime. But all governments (incl. Sweden) did the fatal mistake not to open up everything immediately when excess C-19 deaths had disappeared in Europe in June. Can’t see the meaning to delay this until when we have the other winter viruses incl. flu.

Couldn’t agree more. Probably less people than the chance of dying of Covid use their masks properly. Single use – dispose after use. Wash hands every time a mask is touched, wash cloth masks after every use. Nope, hang them on ears, round the neck, under the chin etc. The basic hygiene has gone out the window.

The reasons for carrying masks is supposedly to reduce transmission from mildly ill C-19 patients

I was under the impression that symptomatic people were supposed to be self isolating.

Like in flu there is a spectrum of illness from mild to severe in C-19.It seems that mild disease is more frequent in C-19 and theoretically more prone to transmission as many with few symptoms hardly consider themselves really ill and often are surprised of test result,if they happen to be tested.

Covid “ill” people tend to be asymptomatic.

Totally agree with your assessment of mask wearing. Once winter colds start occurring, it isn’t going to be pretty!

The DT this morning was absolutely nauseating. However, an article popped uup at luchtime to redress the balance. Too late for those who take their daily paper with their breakfast though!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/22/hysteria-dangerous-coronavirus-symptom/

…. But another symptom has reared its head – affecting those who haven’t even been infected – which may be too troubling for authorities to handle. Some bill it as mere public anxiety, but others see the levels of fear as tantamount to full-blown hysteria.

…. Research commissioned that July by the firm Kekst CNC showed how far public perceptions about the pandemic had been skewed, finding they were inclined to believe the spread and fatality was more than a hundred times worse than the reality.

…. [Prof Udi Qimron, the incoming head of clinical microbiology and immunology at Tel Aviv University] warned: “In a world where decision-makers, their advisers and the media were able to admit their mistake and the initial panic that gripped them, we would have long since returned to routine. The ongoing destruction due to the inability to admit this mistake, despite the epidemic’s small mortality numbers, is outrageous. History will judge the hysteria.”

…. The scars left by the Covid are visible on the popular psyche. Kekst found in its survey of international public opinion that the UK remains the most concerned about a second wave – with 76 per cent expecting one in the next year or so. By contrast, Sweden is the only country recorded as being increasingly less worried about a resurgence in the virus.

I wonder why that would be – 2nd wave, 2nd wave, 2nd wave …….

Quite, nice it’s in the Telegraph but not news to us.

News to a lot of DT readers and a welcome counterbalance to the ridiculous R-rate scaremongering by Sarah Knapton.

I’ve said before the R rate doesn’t mean a lot. R rate of 1 and death rate of 0% is a lot different to an R rate of 1 and a death rate of 100%!

DavidC

WE know that!

I suspect the UK gov and many of the guilty “experts” and opinion “influencers” desperately, desperately need to keep the terror going until they can claim they saved us by holding out until the vaccine became available.

It doesn’t have to be a particularly convincing claim, just enough to allow the complicit media to flannel the idiots who fell for their nonsense.

3pm Saturday R2 News. Director of Public Health Lancashire “these new measures are necessary and things are already improving, cases are going down already”.
Really Doctor, after 2 days ?

Reminds of the time, I think about mid 2000s, when a flu season was going on a bit longer than usual, the press were starting to notice so Blair appointed a Flu Tzar to get things sorted, crack some heads in the NHS to protect the public.

I asked a senior medic about this.
“That’s nonsense, we’ve been on top of this for a month and numbers have been going down nationally for three weeks now.”

Lo and behold the Flu Tzar was all over the media a week later with the good news that, thanks to his hard work, with help of our Tone, things were starting to get better….

I loathe Bliar even seeing his name makes me see red which is why I always misspell it.

Wow, the Questioning Covid site looks like conspiracy theory central.

Don’t feed the troll

Just thoughts and ideas, do you have any?

Whether it is or not (and it does have some of the stuff we’ve all been looking at via LS, for example, Vernon Coleman), I’m not sure I trust a site that gives no description of itself, who’s put it together or anything else about it. And yes, some of its postings (although I haven’t looked at them yet) do seem a bit ‘out there’.

DavidC

Nah, just open-minded, really. And, as you rightly say, Questioning. Always Questioning.

I’m happy to read, watch or listen to any evidence, whether it’s government sponsored or from David Icke, or anything in-between.

However, I reserve the right to make up my own decision whether it rings true or seems like a pile of steaming shite, based on the existing evidence.

You. have an independent mind Mr Dee, we need more like you.

“An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.”

“Blessed is the mind too small for doubt”

Minds are like parachutes – they work best when open.

That definitely sounds like Heresy to me.

Excellent – I was starting to think questioning had been banned

They are doing their best !

Wow, the comment by Anonymous looks like that of a shill.

Thinking for ones self is important Baldrick. What do you think?

What really matters is having a cunning plan.
And one’s very own turnip.

Ever noticed you can replace the words ‘conspiracy theory’ with ‘seeks intellectual honesty, which generally involves thinking for oneself and not getting the sum total of your thoughts and feelings from the mainstream media…’?

It seems this way but on the other hand, always good to have a look at the entire range of views and analyse them critically. Such as one video where it was all verifiable from statistics about deaths and cases until they got onto 5G and claimed that it cuts the DNA sequence. This is not true, it is not ionising and is lower frequency than visible light! Then they continued about it being used for surveillance, which is a totally separate matter and a concern!

Love this quote under our fearless leader’s photo

My advice to the good people of Britain is… don’t get cancer in 2020.”

Someone asked on DT what would prefer to have Covid or Cancer? I think it was directed at a sheep who wanted all Covid measures enforced even to taking away our pensions if we refuse the vaccine.

Two little songs for today’s children. Feeling a bit infernal today.

1
Baa, baa, masked sheep, have you any will?
No sir, no sir, we’re slaves still.
Slaves to the tyrant and slaves to the liar,
Slaves trotting on the path into hell fire.

2
Where have all our freedoms gone, short time passing?
Where have all our freedoms gone?
Snatched by tyrants every one.
When will we ever learn?
When will we ever learn?

Where have all past tyrants gone, long time passing?
Where have all past tyrants gone, long time ago?
Into hell fire every one.
That’s where our lot will burn,
They’ll go there in their turn.

Annie that’s brilliant! I am a scientist by background, so completely illiterate. However, aspects of O Level English Lit have remained with me forever – ‘Murder will out’ (Chaucer, Nun’s Priest’s Tale)

Go tell that long tongue liar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IStlBOX9F4o

You can run on for a long time
Run on for a long time
Run on for a long time
Sooner or later God’ll cut you down
Sooner or later God’ll cut you down.

The scores are in boys and girls

Luckily when you look at the chart produced by the ONS, the 5 year average flu deaths have almost halved but the “CV” figures handily went up by almost the same as the flu deaths fell.

Good job the symptoms are so different or they could have got confused

I’ve been telling this to people since March when offguardian first reported this is what the doctors were doing as a result of the changes to the reporting requirement put in place by the Government .

I’m sending this to all my lockdown loving friends who thought I was mental

Great find

Been waiting for stats on Flu deaths since this got started.

I spotted a link today to one of the “fact checker” sites supposedly debunking the story that more people died of flu than Covid in July: https://fullfact.org/health/flu-covid-deaths/

In fact, it doesn’t really “debunk” the story at all if read carefully. The article states that the number of flu deaths is higher than Covid, just not by as large a factor as was claimed: the total number of people dying of pneumonia or flu is probably higher than the number dying of Covid-19 at the moment, but not by the margin that these headlines suggest.

The other thing the article does is to make the distinction between dying with and dying from flu and pneumonia, but assume almost everyone who died with Covid-19 on their death certificate died from .

In reality, I would suspect most of the people dying with or from either were so elderly and frail that in normal circumstances it would be academic what their death certificate actually says they died of.

“Fact Checker” = Thought Police

Despite the lack of NHS treatment for anything but covid, the lower deathrate for most common causes suggests there’s usually a lot of iatrogenesis going on!

And as most are socialist leaning governments it confirms my opinion who the real fascists are. Hitler belonged to the The National Socialist German Workers Party. The Internet calls them a far right party when in fact they were from the Far Left. They make it up!

Far Left, Far Right, no difference. Boot stamping on face. Left boot, right boot, no difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZlExF7fP5c
Mighty Gabby ‘Government Boots’

Two sides of the same coin. The far left and the far right are equally eager to take our freedoms away.

Ain’t the “far left” or the “far right” taking our freedoms away currently, at least as those terms are normally applied. It’s the establishment parties of the supposed “centre left” and “centre right”

I thought Johnson has packed up his tent and fucked off.

Can’t be much of a national emergency if he is poncing about in Greece.

Quite!

The contradictions of the Daily Telegraph.

Someone must know why they publish a major scare story early in the morning and then one warning of the risks of hysteria at lunchtime.

The irony!

Is there any editorial policy in play or is it just a free for all these days?

I think they’re just gaslighting their readership. I’m cancelling my subscription as it’s garbage by and large.

Was thinking about this today and gas lighting is exactly what came to mind but you beat me to it!

I also cancelled, occasional good pieces by the columnists are far outweighed by the constant scaremongering by the journalists. I thought they might have eased off on all the negative scare stories over the last couple of months, but I guess they get clicks so they keep publishing.

I was on a three month cheapo trial that ends next weekend. Won’t be renewing unless there’s a dramatic change in their reporting next week.

I thought of trying the one month free trial when I stopped buying the print version but they wanted my bank details up front, sod that.

As I think another comment pointed out, the editorial policy has to be compatible with this:
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We-Work/Quick-Links/Grants-Database/Grants/2017/11/OPP1179441

But they know there’s also a sceptic market to sell papers to, so we get the honest articles as well. If these start to fade away and we only get the scare stories, that’ll be the time to worry. We’ll know the DT has just received another bung!

Or another check from the Gates Foundation.

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I am an old “leftie” and a remainer and it comes to something when I have to identify myself with right wing libertarians but it’s not left,right, leave or remain; it’s common sense.
I just wish that more people who think like me would join the common cause.

I’m your opposite politically Philip, I say this respectfully because we all have our views but I am in total agreement with your comment. Where has all the common sense gone?…

THANK YOU, Arnie.

I’d question your relationship with “common sense” after admitting to being a leftie. Personally i’d rather admit i was friends with Jimmy Savile and took my holidays on Epstein’s island before admitting i was a lefty

Unhelpful and rude.

This issue is beyond political views it’s standing up for our freedom.

“unhelpful and rude” lol, piss off tosser.

Cool it you two!

Ok miss, i’m sorry. If you want me to stay back after class for some corporal punishment i’ll only be too happy to oblige.

The black thigh boots and the riding whip?
Will they fit you?

i was thinking more of a cane over the buttocks like what used to happen at my Private School

Ah, the privileges of superior social status.

Thank you hot rod.
Insecurity takes many forms.

But true!

I don’t share your politics either Phillip but welcome aboard.
Don’t worry about Biker, he can be like that to anyone, it’s just his way.

Yawn.

i know and you’re so fucking interesting too, how will i deal with your putdown

Calm down!

i think you’re mistaking me for someone from Liverpool

We’re much better looking …

I’d suggest you reread your comment to yourself and ask yourself how helpful it is to our predicament.

You and me are likely not natural bedfellows, but we are in complete agreement on this, because it is essentially a libertarian stance, whether coming from the left (Claire Fox, Brendan O’Neill) or right (Ron Paul) perspective. I am from a working class NE background, but ‘escaped’ through education. I have always voted Tory. I voted for Brexit but love Europeans, and their countries, especially Italy – sons fluent in Spanish and Italian. I have friends from all over the world, of all different religions. Yet, like many on here, I could not support the actions of Dominic Cummings, even if it was somehow an endorsement of breaking the ridiculous lockdown rules, or worse, likely to thwart Brexit. We now need to stick together as patriots (sorry, sounds like a Trumpism) whatever our backgrounds, because there is a nasty undercurrent being fed by the oxygen of incompetence.

A few months ago, it really annoyed me when anti-lockdown views were described as “libertarian” because I associated that term with the (mostly US) small-state individualist political movement, which I didn’t identify with at all.
Now I wonder if I am actually turning into that sort of libertarian – as my trust in politicians, authority figures and “the state” to do the right thing, and use their power responsibly, has hit rock bottom.

It is often a function of your early experiences and upbringing. My father lost his job in the 73/74 downturn, and ended up working in the local authority with what could only be described as a bunch of incompetents on the make. We nearly lost our house, and food was not plentiful for a time. He challenged authority, and so did I, even as a child, and with his constant support. I don’t trust anyone in authority – you get there through a blackballing system if you are man, and through pillow talk if you are a woman. Pretty much all of them have skeletons in one or more cupboards! In my life and career I have interacted with several of them, including a few whose names crop up on this site. Trust yourself, count your friends on the fingers of one hand, and batten down the hatches because ‘they’ do not have your interests at heart!

TT, I agree with everything you say except ‘oxygen of incompetence’. This is a worldwide stitch up. Anybody with half a head can now see that it is all b*llox yet politicians of all colours, MSM, NHS et al are all dialing up the lies and propaganda. I really can’t see how or when this is going to end now

Yes, you raise a very good point. I’m not convinced where you draw the line between incompetence and conspiracy, and our government is certainly testing that to the limit. Does Trump buy into this – possibly not? It will be interesting to see what happens if he gets a second term – will he become more hawkish, and will some of the protagonists on the other side of the Atlantic finally lose their heads? Perhaps the true test of worldwide stitch up will come in September/October, and the response to a likely ‘credit event’ – will there be central bank unity or will strategies deviate? It always boils down to money in the end, and private/national interest.

The fact is that the simplistic ‘left/right’ one-dimensional model of politics is useless at this time – if it was ever anything other.

Both Brexit and Covid have cut across that dimension without discrimination.

it’s this kind of statement that made me say the other things i said. left wing people are evil, pure and simple, even if they don’t know it. The things they advocate for bring destruction to individuals and must be challenged at every turn. Right wing people or so called right wing people because you’re only called right wing by leftists, want individualism because that gives every man the right to live as they choose. The idea that i give one fuck for what a left wing person wants is mental. Even if they appear to hold a similar view as myself on one subject the facts remain they’ll try and force me to comply while i’ll not do anything to anybody.

Agree entirely Rick, for the last twenty years or so I’ve been of the opinion that we have had Blue left, Red left or Yellow left (I’m an old school right winger…), with a system very biased to keeping the same old tired faces in place. Now for the first time in my life I think that this erosion of civil liberties and freedoms transcends any of that, it’s above politics, it’s personal to all of us. Why then are so many of our friends, family and associates on the side of the new church of covid? It’s almost as if they want to suffer some more!

Currently we have a mountain to climb, every journey starts with the first step so we’d better get cracking…

Rick. Politicians aren’t in charge anymore. Just puppets of Davos et al. We have no one to turn to, we have no way out

There’s no justice.

There’s just us.

Quite right. ‘Left’ no longer means what it did. We need new labels. Globalist vs. patriot, perhaps?

I’ve long believed left/right to be over-simplistic ideas. My political views are much more complex than that thank you very much.

However if we are after more appropriate new labels then I would suggest “short-term emotionalism” VS “long-term logic”.

The short-term emotionalists always think they are supporting the good and virtuous courses of action, when very often they end up leading to greater long-term evil. They can include a few character types such as idiots who think they are geniuses (so many examples to choose from, let’s say like Dawn Butler). Or another type being psychopaths who choose the emotionalist action purely for recognition from the woke meeja and brainwashed emotional public (Bozo and chums). Our parliament is utterly dominated with emotionalists.

It’s all subterfuge now.

Well, you’re very welcome to our ‘club’, Fingerache Philip. We’re really not how we’re painted by many lefties and remainers. I speak as someone who was on the left for decades.

They will categorise any questioning of murderous lockdowns and associated policies at “far-right”, “tin-foil hat conspiracy theorists” etc when the truth is that lockdowns will be far, far more damaging to society from a quality-adjusted-life-years perspective than this new virus.

We won’t survive’: Edinburgh restaurateur introduces £25 deposit after wave of ‘selfish’ no shows

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/we-wont-survive-edinburgh-restaurateur-18813186

Spoke to someone today who has been in Royal Free Hospital for major surgery. No physiotherapy offered prior to discharge or advice for home exercises. Hospital virtually empty. Disgraceful, shameful, no words can express my disgust at this gross failure and ineptitude. A revolution is required.

“Coronavirus cases spike by 123 overnight in Scotland, with 246 in hospital”

Words above by Edinbutgh live. “Spike by” well in actual fact 246 in hospital is bang on the long lingering downward tremd carriying over month. The reason for the slow decline is discharging with multiple issues takes time and is likely not related to covid19 in and of itself.

The figure is used to bring ‘awe’ to the sum of 123 cases. But cases is an entirely feeble measure. A reason for the scare tactic may be that perhaps edinburgh live are noticing peo0le are wising up to what constitues a case.

For cases read positive tests, and maybe even multiple positive tests per single case, with a few false positives thrown in as well.

I saw a headline that the total number of cases worldwide had reached 20 million. Out of 7.5 billion.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200812-exponential-growth-bias-the-numerical-error-behind-covid-19

Thats why we’ve got it wrong, – right, now thats cleared up, I’m off to get a mask

mind you – it does explain how herd immunity can be achieved so quickly…

People who are susceptible to the exponential growth bias ?

I’m susceptible to looking at NHS England’s Daily Deaths data sheets and noticing that under 60’s with no existing health conditions are at more risk of dying in an RTA !

More patronising crap from the BBC. I guess the term ‘conspiracy theorist’ needed a makover.

Oh, we’re sorry we made a mistake. Five months of this based on a mistake. Not buying it.

That’s an amazing reference – because it inverts the actual bias that we have seen and of which we have been victims.

Right from the start of this disastrous Panicdemic has underlain the assumption that the growth of spread of this virus was e xponential !

Of course, it wasn’t, and it took the band of contrarians who pracised good science to point out that this had never been known to happen – and, indeed couldn’t happen.

Who was right??? Yes indeedy! – it wasn’t the fantasists who speculated about this exponential curve of disease – it was the experienced rationalists – like Wittkowski – who predicted the bell-curve.

Now we have some wanker with post-hoc resurrection of pure nonsense from the dead – in direct contradiction of the other evidence that shows that people wildly overestimate the risk from Covid.

This is the ‘Alice Through the Looking Glass’ world inhabited by the likes of this tosser, whilst actual data gets entirely ignored.

Peerless Reads on YouTube has been very good on this, both on the data side and the model assessment side. Thoroughly recommend the Skepticat series on the same channel too.

One day we’re all underestimating the risk and are lazy filthy covidiots who can’t be bothered to wash our hands after going to the toilet. The next we are all hysterical wimps who don’t understand risk and Boris is banging on about getting back to work and not letting coronavirus stop us from doing things. It’s all a load of absolute bollocks and I’m fed up with the lot of it today.

“According to various epidemiological studies, without intervention the number of new Covid-19 cases doubles every three to four days, which was the reason that so many scientists advised rapid lockdowns to prevent the pandemic from spiralling out of control.”

But didn’t take into account the prevalence of immunity, or how many people would be asymptomatic. And isn’t this article a bit late and just more scaremongering?
During the first couple of months, people were right to be worried and to take it seriously, but even back then, it was very difficult to get a real idea of how bad the virus was or could be.
A Japanese doctor who went on board a cruise ship where there’d been an outbreak, back in February time, was terrified of the virus, and highly critical of how the ship’s crew were h handling it.
But it did not infect everyone on board, and there weren’t that many deaths, when taking everything into account.

As for judging risk: after the Pan Am flight that was blown up over Lockerbie, the number of passengers flying overall dropped, and on Pan Am the numbers plummeted. I flew on Pan Am on a two thirds empty plane to the US, because I figured that after the bombing, the security would be tighter than on any other airline. I was right. They did a second security check at the departure lounge, searching everyone’s belongings, after already going through airport security.
I did my risk assessment, and figured the risk was lower than at any other time.

Are we going to wake up soon and realise this entire 6 months has just been a bad dream?

please! can it be tomorrow?

Has anybody’s music tastes changed in the last few weeks? I’m listening to Rage Against the Machine again and have discovered Lee Scratch Perry. Make of that what you will.

Rage Against the Machine are a bunch of whinny lefty wankers singing about oppression while playing ten thousand dollar guitars, touring the world and living in mansions. The revolution will not be televised, it won’t be on the radio, you can’t buy it in Walmart and it’s not on stage at whatever fake festival presenting itself as the counter culture. Lee Scratch Perry on the other hand is brilliant.

Biker, your musical views are spot on!

Politics aside, RATM members have been a huge disappointment during the panicdemic HOWEVER as I said yesterday, it would be nice if people would answer the question asked in the OP.

did you say something yesterday? I must have missed it. Bet it was great too. Fuck, i miss all the fun. I was busy yesterday, i watched ten episodes of the Sweeny back to back while on magic mushrooms. It’s that time of year again when mother earth gives up the magic that allows you to clean your third eye of all the debris and letting us humans know that there is more to it than we know.

Very insightful

Indeed they are…

Just combining a couple of things, I’ve got the Sweeney soudtrack CD, if that counts. Has little snippets of dialogue, too. “Put ’em away, love”.

The Sweeney. Loved the programme, and also the band. Not sure if they’re still going, but I saw them live and they were great. ?auto=format&fit=crop&crop=faces&w=350

Agree.

I think lee scratch Perry burned down his studio so Jamaican gangsters couldn’t muscle on his music.

As always happy to be corrected.

Yello is brilliant. Watch their Berlin Live show from 2017.

I was born in 1977 so missed out on punk and the ethos of the younger generation sticking 2 fingers up to the establishment. All quiet during these times.

Diamanda Galas always cheers me up at times like these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEKuX8arORc

I thought my choices evidenced a breakdown in mental state but you win, Mr Dee

Times like these make me turn back to Joy Division, and of course the Pistols and even the Clash. Also Sonic Youth, the two albums 1987-8.

‘Wasted Life’, the lyrics, by SLF also keeps coming back to me after many, many years:

Still they come up to me
With a different name but the same old face
I can see the connection
With another time and a different place
Now, they ain’t blonde-haired or blue-eyed
But they think that they’re a master race
They’re nothing but blind fascists
Brought up to hate and given lives to waste

Also especially the Butthole Surfers, ’22 going on 23′. Sums up the madness we are going through.

Tom Blackburn, I’ll answer your original question now: No. But one change I have noticed, I’m having quite a lot of dreams in which I’m in a large crowd. That’s an experience we’re currently denied in real life.

Just perusing the weekly PHE report for week 34. Having in recent weeks just skimmed it, as it is basically the same every week, my interested was peeked : At a local authority level, incidence remain highest in Oldham, although this has decreased from the previous week. So why have they to endure new restrictions? The government bases their policy re lockdown on this report.
The Watchlist is produced…. The classification decision is therefore a blended assessment drawing on professional judgement.
Funny that they have to mention it is professionals’ judgement. Haha.

Don’t know if it’s been mentioned yet, but just seen on the dreaded MSM report of Germany staging packed concerts to investigate covid spread. This sounds encouraging, and really should have been done from the beginning, but it is not as good as it seems. They are still operating on the assumption that spread is incredibly dangerous and this must be minimised. One scenario of full crowd, sadly all masked, one with greater hygiene and some distancing and a third with 1.5m. Now surely, they should have a fourth scenario without masks, actually do a live study?? Or, what would be beneficial, have them all be healthy people, shove in a few with coronavirus, and see where they all are in a month’s time. My bet would be not many people had actually caught it, and those that had vast majority would be asymptomatic, so not ill either.

i would do an experiment on similar medium size cities and demographics. One completely normal, one severe lockdown conditions, and a third of somewhere in between (i guess as we are now unless you’re in oldham). Then measure the results – would be interesting

Roald Dahl did not write just for children, he also wrote for adults. One of his early stories ‘Lamb to the Slaughter’ was an episode on Alfred Hitchcock Presents in 1958. Another short story was about a young German woman who was close to giving birth. The mother and father named their son Alois, last name Schicklgruber.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hitler

He also wrote the Bond Film ‘You Only Live Twice’. Any similarity between the villain and a certain gentleman who has invested lots of money in vaccines just a coincidence.

We are all oiseau de passage (birds of passage). Transient beings. How high do you wish to fly?

For the 29th of August next Saturday I propose a symbolic Bonfire of the Smartphones. Perhaps just a few. Let the government know that if they persist in their plans to track and trace us to our dying day that we will have no option but to disable or destroy all our smartphones.

Doesn’t matter,if Bill Gates has his way we will all be chipped

Quite – his ambition used to be a computer on every desk; now it is a chip in every arm/leg/brain!

Yep. MiT have said they’ve basically now got the method, for storing your vaccination passport (or whatever they call it) in your skin now.

No smartphone, no app, no GPS, no track & trace with that method.

9 doctors speak out – they are back.

https://youtu.be/nn2P4-cK_K8

It’s a new gathering of those guys from the steps in Washington. The first speeches had 22 million views before youtube crnsored them. This is a new discussion with those doctors continuing to speak out.

One point made among many – childrens behaviour is changing.

Worth listening and sharing. They deserve supporting. Don’t let an early none second of Trump in the shows titles dissuade you, it is a great discussion.

Has anybody got a link to the original video? I saved it for later and then good old Youtube deleted it!

Available here

https://www.bitchute.com/video/i3rHOANroEfF/

Thank you Non!

Only watched the first 20 minutes so far, but the reference to the effect of Trump’s HCQ statement on the share values of Gilead (Remdesivir manufacturer) is an eye-opener… it certainly shows how much vested interest there could be in discrediting a cheap, generic drug in favour of a much more expensive one.

To be honest I was sceptical about HCQ at the start. I’m ashamed to say I believed the Lancet study and didn’t bother to look any deeper. It seemed to me (having some basic scientific knowledge, but knowing nothing of the drug’s history) that using an anti-malarial drug against a virus was pure quackery – malaria being a parasitic organism, not a bacterium or virus. Obviously I was very wrong in my assumption, but this shows how a superficial reading of the facts as presented by the media can mislead.

I think the poison dwarf fauci has shares in Gilead.

Thanks for the post. Really worth a watch. These Docs are heroes and give me hope.

Just had two leaflets through the door.

From Northants CC: “Cases are rising in this area and you and your community are at risk!”

From Corby BC: “DHSC has opened a local testing testing site at James Ashworth VC Square”

Helpfully, info is available in Polish, Lithuanian, Romanian and Russian.

Martin, your post made me chuckle. The inmates are truly running the asylum now!

Would that be the same DHSC that replied to Mr. Awkward Git, saying that the PCR test doesn’t work, by any chance?

I don’t know if this has been mentioned today (so many comments!), but the comments after the daily mail article mentioned by Toby (best voted) are so encouraging. All highly sceptical, the Like and (Dislike) votes of the top few comments being: 6758 (1187), 6055 (528), 4081 (364), 2861 (147), 2726 (270). Big numbers. And it’s prominently in the print version too, which a lot of people buy on Saturday for the TV listings. Just had radio 4 on (in background, totally not a fan), expert on saying wearing a mask in the home not a bad idea!

Has the thesaurus been revised – with ‘wanker’ listed with ‘expert’?

Expert?
Idiot!

Yes, babies, suck on your dummies.

Lockdown is double-plus good.
We will beg our masters to lock us up longer for our own safety.
With luck, they will provide padded cells with automatically filling troughs for us. This will provide us our RDA nutrients, antibiotics and vaccines, so we won’t have to risk stepping outside or seeing other people.
We will enjoy approved entertainment.
Voting could kill us so we must stay quiet, and stay safe.

Have you read The Machine Stops by EM Forster?

Very prophetic

I have heard today of a care home for the elderly in Huddersfield that has been instructed to put Covid down as a cause of death in all correspondence relating to deaths in the home, no matter what the real cause was. Absolutely barking mad.

Instructed by who? Not mad – evil! Have you got a link to this info please?

I’ll be seeing them again next Saturday (weekly swabs, therefore need to be careful what I say to them) so I’ll find the name of the home then.

Looking at ‘Professor’ “Trisha” Greenhalgh’s twitter feed, it seems that she and her brethren feel that the case for masks is open and shut. There is evidence that they ‘work’, apparently. But against what benchmarks do they ‘work’?

We should not be fooled into thinking that (bitter, twisted, poisonous, political) idiots like her know what ‘works’. She doesn’t. She is making some simple assumptions such as that the best outcome would be for no human to be infected by any pathogen ever, nor to spread it to any other. She also regards each human’s immune system as individual to them. But who says this is true? It seems just as likely that evolution has created a population-wide ‘immune system’ that relies on transmission of low inocula of pathogens from person to person in order to ‘stay current’ and not be surprised by a completely ‘novel’ virus (where have I heard that phrase before?).

This is why I don’t think sceptics should stoop to entering her fake argument over whether masks ‘work’ – it’s a red herring that plays into mask lunatics’ hands.

If masks ‘work’ to “Trisha’s” criteria, and she gets her way and makes all the people who bullied her at school (and everyone else) wear masks at all times, forever, then we will eventually be in that position of the remote Brazilian tribe that was killed by the common cold.

We should be arguing on those terms, as well as the fundamental civil liberties arguments. It is not for narrow ‘experts’ to determine what the immune system means , and what it is for . Why did our faces evolve with the layout they did? Maybe no one knows the answer. Certainly not her!

I’ve been trying to work out the various psychological pathologies that seem to be at work amongst this group of ‘expert’ ‘scientists’ that clearly are neither, but whose role seems to be to actually deny any known scientific evidence in a manner reminiscent of the most scientifically illiterate in society.

She’s from the far Left. Supports BLM.
The far left are reality and science deniers. Whatever science and reality tells us to do, they’ll do the opposite.

I suspect it sometimes has to do with that filthy lucre stuff.

Yes absolutely it is population wide. We’ve evolved to live together and with viruses.

And we can regard the layout of our faces as part of this population-wide immune system. And also our instinctive reaction to covering the face (discomfort, the compulsion to remove the obstruction). And also our compulsion to associate with other humans at close quarters – it has all evolved in parallel.

She thinks she is superior to evolution. She thinks that she can just say “It’s common sense, innit? Duh” and that makes it so. She thinks that just because doctors and nurses have always worn masks without obvious problems, then it can simply be scaled to the entire population and everything will be OK. (And we can guess that her true motivation is probably not even medical – it’s power, revenge on those bullies, etc.)

Did she evolve?

Trisha Greenhalgh #BlackLivesMatter
@trishgreenhalgh

I think that says it all. She’s another on the far left, who seem to reveal in imposing as much control over the population as possible, in her particular case, face muzzles.

Meanwhile, over in the U.S., far left Democrat governor of Maine, Janet Mills, orders restaurant staff to wear dog cones of shame…:

https://www.corona-stocks.com/maine-governor-orders-restaurant-staff-to-wear-covid-visors-like-dog-cones/?amp
?fit=800%2C420&ssl=1

Looks like the thing they put on dogs to stop them biting their stitches.
Someone somewhere must be having a bet thinking what is the most ridiculous thing we can get people to wear.Might explain Bill Gates perma smirk

Looks like the thing they put on dogs to stop them biting their stitches.

We could call them dog cones …

I thought they were modern slave collars the Dems wantes servers to wear as the servers are disproportionately BAME

Looks like some of the dogs that I see trotting along the sidewalks of Montreal.

Following a hunch about the local mockdowns targeting Labour councils.
Have a look at this map:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48091592

I like ‘mockdowns’!

Does Westminster decide on whether a place gets ‘locked down’ or not, or does the local council?

I think Westminster and the local council need to keep a close eye on Twitter to actually find out about it.

Westminster – but certainly Preston was sufficiently scared of a full lockdown to put itself into a modified one – just to show what a compliant little town it is.

The threat from HMG is obviously serious – look how the Aberdeen council is protesting but having to obey.

Nothing really new. But I’ve just been looking at the latest bulletin ONS Covid Infection Survey.

Now – given that this survey is based on to any bit of errant RNA showing up as being possibly related to infection, it is interesting – particularly if you are stifling yourself with a mask – to consider whether such hysteria is useful in a situation where you would have to kiss/shake hands with a random 2,200 people to come across such an RNA fragment – let alone a case of infection.

Just saying.

Isn’t it 2200 new infections per day, but about 10x that as the absolute number? I haven’t looked at the latest version but that’s about what it was the last time. Still very little of course and nothing to be concerned about.

No – that’s another number. I quote :

“An estimated 24,600 people (95% credible interval: 16,900 to 33,800) within the community population in England had the coronavirus (COVID-19) during the most recent week, from 7 to 13 August 2020, equating to around 1 in 2,200 individuals.”

It’s interesting to speculate what is the real incidence of infectious disease.

Yes see what you mean. 1 in 2200.

I had an asymptomatic cold last week. Well, I think I did.

If you did, then you had a Covid Virus. All Covids end up as a cold variant. How long though?

I had a cough earlier to-day, but it seems to have gone away now I think the red wine has helped!

God’s vaccine.

I find a vodka tonic with extra strength Advil very medicinal. Red wine is good too!

I know someone who claims he cured his meningitis with a pint of wine.

Always works for me. If I’m feeling a bit peaky, I go out and get properly tanked up and the next day I’m fine. Works for toothache too.

I have a suspician that I’ve been asymptomatically sick most of my life.

As COVID-1984 Accelerates Bill Gates Blames ‘Freedom’ For Spread of the Virus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM15RnElRfg

Chilling stuff!

Tell Bill to stay home.

https://forecasters.org/wp-content/uploads/Ioannidisetal_03082020-1.pdf

Forecasting for COVID-19 has failed
New article by Ioannnidis

“We need models which incorporate multicriteria objective functions. Isolating infectious impact, from all other health, economic and social impacts is dangerously narrow-minded. More importantly, with epidemics becoming easier to detect, opportunities for declaring global emergencies will escalate. Erroneous models can become powerful, recurrent disruptors of life on this planet. Civilization is threatened from epidemic incidentalomas.”

Never heard the term “incidentaloma” before! After Googling I found it does have a specific medical meaning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incidental_imaging_finding , but it immediately struck me as a good term for the current situation – a malignant, metastasising “incident”.

Looks like an interesting article, will have a read of it tomorrow.

“Failure in epidemic forecasting is an old problem. In fact it is surprising that epidemic forecasting has retained much credibility among decision-makers given its dubious track record”. John Ioannadis

You mean we keep making the same mistakes over and over again but expect different outcomes? Crap in-crap out springs to mind.

Or the over used definition of insanity!

DavidC

Like throwing dice.

Quite a good archly respectful put-down of Taleb in there. This is the guy who’s always going on about “fat-tailed distributions” and has recently taken to sniping at Levitt and Balloux (and no doubt others) on Twitter.

His argument doesn’t deserve the attention Ioannidis gives it.

Taleb I think has been perhaps the greatest disappointment in all this for me. The ultimate confirmation of the fact that once fear stops you from using your reason properly, no amount of intelligence or education is of any use.

Agreed. I was shocked at his perspective.

‘Taleb seems to fit an unorthodox model, and then abandons all effort to predict anything. He simply assumes doomsday has come, much like a panic-driven Roman would have done in the Antonine plague, lacking statistical, biological, and epidemiological insights’

That is some put-down!

It is, and also extremely accurate. Taleb meanwhile is calling people names on Twitter.

Possible explanation – the fund he advises (managed by Mark Spitznagel) was up 4000% in Q1, but suspect, unless it closed the short, it has now disappeared into thin air? Pride before a fall!

I have been thinking about how the Imperial College group got away with, on top of the rickety programming and the unlikely high end ifr figure, the bland SIR assumption of full susceptibility.

The latter, it now seems, is likely to have been the most dramatic error in their work.

Those of us outside the field have had to learn about all this on the fly, in response to the attempt to use epidemiology to justify gross interference with all our lives. Now it seems absurd that figures based on such frankly silly ideas could be taken seriously, or that policy could be based on the conclusions of scientists who are known to be willing to accept orders of magnitude overstatement to avoid the risk of the slightest understatement.

Why was this not pointed out immediately and forcefully, at the highest levels, at the time? Why were those who did point these things out ignored? Why were all outlets quoting the IC figures not immediately discredited?

Has there ever been an epidemic that followed the plain SIR assumption, or even approached it?

We apparently, according to Wittkowski, per Wodarg, knew then that “coronaviruses typically top out at 20-30%”. Why was this not factored into the calculations to produce, as Ioannidis suggests, a range of forecasts with the plain sir figure the absolute top end, and the 20% “typical” coronavirus prevalence at the bottom end, along with more plausible ifr numbers?

And why, given that the consequences of widespread panic were eminently foreseeable at the time, are the IC team not held responsible for their work in the same way someone is held responsible for shouting fire unnecessarily in a crowded theatre?

Well said. Totally agree.

Good analysis Mark. Your final point is vey well made, why indeed? The longer-term consequences will play out in one of two extremes; governments will find it all too easy to lock down on a whim or, will be too terrified by the damage done this time they will allow a fire to spiral dangerously out of control for want of sensible preventative measures.

I had been wondering this too. Since March & the data from the Diamond Princess.

The one thing that makes me question myself a bit though are the reports of antibody testing showing certain areas (Bergamo I think, if I recall correctly) far higher than the 20% or so reported elsewhere. How do we explain those data?

Yes there are a few areas where very high prevalences are reported (New York I think was one as well). The best explanations I’ve seen are overshoot (though for very high prevalence that seems unlikely to account for it entirely), and the fact that it’s an overall average and not a hard or universal limit, so there can easily be particular populations that have different levels of existing resistance or much higher herd immunity levels for social or other reasons.

But we are a long way from certainty on any of this. My point above is that there was no honest assessment of the lower limits of the potential outcomes, to contrast with the maximal cases that were considered.

Bergamo was interesting. The only published study I’ve seen is this one:

https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.05.24.20111245

Look at figure 1 on page 16 with those pie charts. Antibodies are blue. At first you think this was a nosocomial outbreak in one or two hospitals (and it may well have been) but they reported that admin staff and people who were working from home were equally affected. But perhaps they were visiting each other anyway.

Another interesting thing is how few people were asymptomatic. Perhaps these are pockets of places with less or different cross-immunity for some reason. Or perhaps higher viral loads due to one or two individual spreading events.

This only shows 43%, and that’s using >12 AU/mL as the threshold, when the threshold (they say) is supposed to be 15. I’ve seen figures of 50% or 60% is the MSM but have not found where these came from.

It’s difficult to believe that actual community prevalence would be so unevenly distributed. But read the paper and draw your own conclusions and let us know what you think.

It’s also very hard to compare an antibody survey done in Italy, say, with one done in Spain or the UK, or India. You don’t know exactly what antibodies they’re looking for or what the threshold of the test is. Some antibodies drop more quickly than others, e.g. Spain were looking for N antibodies, which drop very quickly. The tests may be confused differently by people whose “choice” of antibodies are affected by differing levels of cross-immunity from recent HCoVs. Spain and the UK certainly didn’t get round until doing their antibody surveys until several months after the epidemic. But in Geneva they didn’t get much above 20% in spite of timing it right.

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/07/15/new-data-on-t-cells-and-the-coronavirus

This is an interesting article but more interesting are the comments. A bit more civilised discussion between scientists discussing the difficulties to combine the finding of Bergamo and the 20% herd immunity due to T cells. In one of the arguments about this and the Bergamo finding Marko quotes the Iquitos study Peru with 75 % seropos.

https://lifeinperu.com/2020/07/24/iquitos-peru-possibly-the-first-region-with-demonstrated-herd-immunity-covid-19/

He finds it reckless to rely on T cells immunity with these findings and recommend reopening.

The interesting is the response 29 July by Riah which I find persuasive but I might be biased.

Yes that Riah guy seems to know what he’s talking about.

I think it’s a big stretch to argue from one or two pockets that you should expect that seroprevalence everywhere measured by different groups with different tests which are by their nature indirect measurements of actual exposure.

Thanks both. You probably won’t see my response now as the discussion has moved on so much, but just in case I think there are 2 possibilities (and truth may be a combo of the two):

1) That Riah guy’s argument is sensible – it makes sense that there would be a natural variation T cell response, though it still seems rather TOO varied to be the complete picture to me….unless it’s dependent on recent prior infection with a common or garden coronavirus? If say OC43 had ripped through your community in March 2019, you might be fine with this new one?

2) the antibody studies are not standardised, right? I don’t think we are necessarily comparing like with like. Some include IgA, some don’t. Threshold levels are different, etc.

Probably a mix of the two.

Sad to see another business go into administration, STA Travel. I worked for them for a while in the early 90s after returning from backpacking around the world for a couple of years. I guess it was tough business environment without this shambles but feel for those now unemployed – another nail in the coffin – sad times

Sadly I think there will be many more travel businesses going soon especially with ATOL renewals in September. Some household names I expect too.

Oh no!! There’s another new disease! It’s so new, it’s not in the news yet, but we’re gonna need a complete lockdown, look:

• There are around 367,000 new cancer cases in the UK every year, that’s around 1,000 every day (2015-2017).
• In females in the UK, there were more than 179,000 new cancer cases in 2017.
• In males in the UK, there were around 187,000 new cancer cases in 2017.
• Every two minutes someone in the UK is diagnosed with cancer.

Or perhaps we should ignore it, cos we’re busy just now…

Cancer is no longer being diagnosed every two minutes because no health care is being administered. When you stop diagnosing it, it disappears right? Think how many lives will be saved by not diagnosing or treating anything! Soon all deaths will be Covid deaths because we will have “eradicated” everything else.

Totally true Lisa, lost one friend so far to cancer, another has missed months of treatment and is now at end of life… So very bitter about this.

As we all should be. Where is the outrage? I also like to point out to the Covid obsessed that the 3rd leading cause of death in the US is medical error — to the tune of 250k deaths PER YEAR. My new theory is that there are so many medical errors because doctors wears masks and can’t think straight due to lack of oxygen. I’m sort of kidding, but if there’s a modicum of truth to it we’re in for a huge spike in deaths related to medical error. My husband has had his hernia repair put off, but it’s non-emergency. But his experience makes me outraged and sad for those who aren’t getting treated for acute, time-sensitive illnesses. And yet we’re the selfish granny killers? Give me strength.

This article is a good example of the way stats are presented. Every two minutes would equate to 720 people diagnosed per day. If you multiply 365 x 720 you don’t get anywhere near 367,000.

Fredie Blom: ‘World’s oldest man’ dies aged 116 in South Africa
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53875675

BBC has to mention Coronavirus even in this article:

“Mr Naidoo said the family did not believe his death was related to Covid-19.”

Not related to COVID-19? Well it may well have been related to the bizarre South African lockdown:

(my emphasis)

“ Although he gave up drinking many years ago, he was a regular smoker .

However, a coronavirus-related lockdown imposed by the South African government reportedly meant he was unable to buy tobacco to roll his own cigarettes on his 116th birthday.”

At 116 years old and he’s suddenly deprived of his (almost) life-long fix of nicotine?

The South African government and, indeed, governments around the world (except Sweden’s) have an awful lot to answer for. My sincere hope is that they are held to account for all this.

They will be. Sooner or later, there will be a reckoning.

Especially considering smoking is protective against Covid!

Sort of smoking related then?

Still smoking at the age of 116, eh? Tee hee hee.

Ffs shock horror,116 y o man died and Covid 19 not suspected

What other possible reason could there be?

Very clever analogy by Francois Balloux

“>1M mostly healthy people are killed on the world’s roads each year. There’s no call for ‘zero risk’, and road safety measures aim to minimise harm while allowing for the seamless flow of people/goods. Pre C-19 epidemiology felt similarly pragmatic and non-ideological to me.”

 Pre C-19 epidemiology was normal epidemiology even WHO did not ever recommended lockdowns in Oct 2019. There is no Swedish model. They were just doing what the whole world was doing until Jan. The lockdown experiment was a Chinese invention spread as fast as the pandemic

Exactly. As one commentator put it, “the only reason we have a lockdown is international peer pressure”. The Chinese started it, swiftly followed by the Italians due to their inability to manage the care home situation. The rest of the world, with some notable exceptions, felt obliged to follow. There was no hard scientific basis for any of it.

The Chinese relaxed it after a month … we should have, too.

What still mystifies me is how it didn’t spread all over China. Where were the bodies all over Beijing and Shanghai? I know the government stopped domestic flights in and out of Wuhan (while allowing international flights to continue) but it makes no sense that the virus didn’t spread all over China and result in thousands or tens of thousands more deaths. Hmmmm…

Strange

Well obviously it did just spread all over China.

Not the death toll…

Only 4634 total deaths??? Canada has twice as many and a population of 38 million vs. 1.4 billion. Look at China on Worldometers — virtually no cases after early March and deaths almost non-existent after they revised in their numbers in mid-April. 3 deaths per million population? 22 new cases today? Makes no sense.

could it be a lab made virus that only effects non Chinese people?

There were very few deaths in Vietnam. It’s possible that Asians are less susceptible to viruses like Covid-19.

Maybe it was all theatre in the first place or maybe they found a cheap and easy way to deal with it. But then didn’t tell the rest of us. And their economy is open. Western economies are toast.

Wuhan was a restive region before the lockdown with several anti government protest relating to air quality. Then there was the lockdown.

Also they don’t have a gurning megalomaniac who has bought all of the decision making institutions.

Red Dwarf fan?

Maybe they don’t record deaths the same way we do. Maybe they do post mortems. Maybe someone with C19 who suffers a heart attack and dies is not recorded as a Covid death. Maybe they realised the test is bogus. Who knows?

Their government may have lied to keep their figures low. Our government however has lied to inflate the figures.

China already has a population under control so they don’t need to use a virus for unscrupulous purposes. We however needed fear to control the masses.

The sad fact is, there is no truth anymore, both here and in the far east.

Maybe they destroyed (cremated) the evidence?

I assume they just decided enough was enough and took the Covid box off the form. Job done.

It spread all over the world but not in China. Yeah, sure. All those people who celebrated the New Year in Wuhan were not all residents of Wuhan. Where did they go and what did they take with them?

“The Casedemic Hysteria”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU3OibcindQ

So this afternoon I revisited the leafy purlieus of Knightsbridge. I was disappointed to see a slight increase in mask wearing from a month ago, perhaps one in eight people in the street, traffic in shops looks up a bit but still very quiet, though lots of people seemed to be going in to Harrods, and I wondered if they were going to buy Louis Vuitton face masks as a bit of relatively inexpensive designer virtue signalling. A depressing thought.

Interestingly, many people were quite badly dressed, and I suspect they just haven’t really bought new clothes this year. This includes myself by the way.

Cutting down behind the Brompton Road, I found the road blocked by police incident tape and a policewoman redirecting pedestrians. “There’s a man with mental health issues, he’s threatening to jump.”
Hoppy (chattily) “I expect you must see a lot of that sort of thing at the moment!”
Policewoman (looking taken aback and a bit affronted) “No.”
Hoppy (thinks) I bet they have to say that .
It took a couple of streets of detour before I realised I was whistling the old Derek and Clive “jump into this blanket that we are holding, And you’ll be quite all right.”

Today was good. Went into shop (m&s at a petrol station) for first time since mask law, no mask and no one said anything. Woman before went in no mask too and guy behind didn’t bother with his once he saw us.

Also played in a inter squad football tournament which was good, got talking to 2 strong sceptics. There was about 100 people there, no distancing, no masks, people happy with post game handshakes etc no one gave a shit at all, was wonderful. The club house was being a cunt and making ppl mask up to go in which some reluctantly did. I did suggest just saying exempt but was interesting that got sort of snorted at as petty and unacceptable. This was from people who fully hated masks and didn’t believe they worked for a second, but also didn’t want to ‘lie’ to not wear one.

Overall tho, a great day with normal socialising and broke my no mask shop virginity.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-53877292 WHO now states all children over 12 should wear masks, children between 6 & 12 may need to wear them. Children under 6 shouldn’t normally wear them.

Swine.

I was trying to find a succinct phrase to convey my feelings Annie,but I think you already nailed it !.

Flu.

What a gift to the teaching unions and a disaster for our children.

And here we are:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cX8szNPgrEs

“If you tolerate this, then your children will be next”

Thanks. Played this on repeat one evening a couple of months ago in light of current craziness. A few refreshing drinks had been consumed! Top tune,

What’s the cutoff age for the category ‘children’?

So my moronic other half just came out with this: Carl Henegan clearly is not a world class scientist because he is not on SAGE. He obviously doesn’t know what he is talking about. I think I want a divorce. Seriously.

It should be the other way round – Carl Henegan is the world class scientist. Those on SAGE on the other hand……

Leftovers. Couldn’t find a job anywhere else.

Exactly!

You should. That can’t last

Stick at it. He’ll come around. In the end there’ll be precious few who won’t claim to have been agin it all from the start…

My other half is on the same page (but not as militant as I am) and it’s been stressful on our marriage — mostly because I’m so unhappy and he’s doing all the shopping because I can tolerate mask wearing. We’ve been married 33 years and together over 6 years before that. If he thought any of this was OK I’m not sure we could live in the same house together!

However, Neil Ferguson is on the SAGE panel is (he of the ‘accurate’ modelling history), as is Dido Harding (graduated in philosophy, politics and economics – obviously a world class scientist!).

DavidC

There’s world class and then there’s being in the pocket of the same people who our politicians and governments are in the pocket of.

This shitshow has caused tensions throughout society – another mark of the pure evil being done.

Even in my family, where we are all in basic agreement, there are differences about the degree of seriousness and the approach to dealing with it. I had a heated argument yesterday when I said that I sometimes feel like August Landmesser (the guy who didn’t salute Hitler in that famous photograph) – overwhelmed by the unthinking compliance.

I think we (the non-compliant) have to be the adults in the room and recognise the psychological strain that is induced in people by this brainwashing. It’s not enough to just condemn.

Sir Mark Walport and all these other public health boffins. What an easy job when your main key performance indicator is that reality is never as bad as your prediction !!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53875189

Indeed. Yet they are gleefully going all out to shape a future that surely we cannot want. Heard a public health ‘expert’ on the radio earlier saying how wonderful wearing masks outside our homes forever will be because it will protect us from all viruses, pollution and hayfever. Nearly drove into a ditch, but remembered I could not allow myself to be recorded as another covid death.

Forigive my language but how any so-called public health ‘expert’ can come out with inaccurate twaddle like that just shows what a fuckwit he or she is. I cannot believe that someone said that – unfortunately I know someone did.

DavidC

Bozo has cut short his holiday in Scotland because of security risks-a bit like those who have had to come back early from France, Austria, Croatia etc but it’s not fair-HE won’t have to quarantine.

Isn’t he in Greece for his dad’s 80th birthday? It was on the 18th.

I’m surprised the SNP Gestapo let him in there. Trailing clouds of Covid as all English visitors do.

They might have assigned him to perpetual quarantine.

The Irish up and at ’em

https://www.facebook.com/1578426990/videos/10220711663252977/?extid=oPNp8YSncbg7GZlD

Respect to the Irish. “Facts over Fiction” and “Freedom over Fear”, and not a face nappy in sight.

Excellent. Heart warming to see. I’d have been there if able to. Wish I could go to the one in London next week.

Yes and Prof Dolores Cahill leading the cause!

Professor Dolores Cahill. Tough on guff.
Words related to guff hogwash , crap , rubbish , garbage , bunk , baloney , hooey , foolishness , drivel , poppycock , bull , bunkum , flapdoodle

Unfortunately, I was unaware that this was taking place (don’t do social media), otherwise I’d have been there.

I wonder when the mothership is coming back to pick us sane ones up ?,seriously though after today’s short shopping trip I really am convinced we are a different species to the covidphiles.Earlier in the week there was a few more un-muzzled around here but that small piece of optimism has been reversed today,I would say compliance must be back at around 98%,more morons walking the streets well away from the shops muzzled up aswell.There seems to be many more dirty looks being given to those without masks,no-one said anything but the looks said it all,one woman gave my wife a particularly long and nasty glare,I thought ‘come on then you sour faced bitch,say something’ but she just scuttled off.Almost all shop staff are pleasant and seem to enjoy talking to someone without a mask.Morrisons were playing a new message that said please wear a face covering but I’m fairly sure it didn’t mention exemptions or ask for respect toward those without masks.
I have been quite despairing today,I got to the point where I just had to get away from all of the zombies and get home.It was very disheartening to see people putting masks on and off like it was second nature,they act as if it was normal and something they have been doing all of their lives,it is going to take one hell of a miracle to end this madness.

This is a morality play at the beginning of the 3rd decade of the 21st Century.

I hear you. The compliance and apparent normalcy of the maskers is very disheartening. I just got back to my 60-acre haven after a week in the city. The relief is palpable. I go out as little as possible because I, too, become physically ill seeing people masked up. My husband does all the shopping so I’m able to keep away from it most of the time. We all need to do whatever we can to stay sane, and for me it’s staying away from people. It is, indeed, going to take a miracle.

“I wonder when the mothership is coming back to pick us sane ones up ?”

Agreed. Notwithstanding that I am an atheist, part of me keeps wondering is this some sort of test to determine the people who can think from those who can’t.

ET 101 is an excellent book, for anyone who hasn’t read it.

More people are being tested, so more cases are being discovered. Mostly asymptomatic, but that doesn’t matter. It’s the numbers that count. Even if they are skewed. For all we know, all of us have the Covid-19 virus and we’ve had it for years. It is just being detected now. According to Sherri Tenpenny corona viruses of different kinds have been around for at least 60 years. It’s all BULLSHIT!
On August 29, 2020 I suggest that we all turn off our smartphones for at least 24 hours..

On Saturday, Greater Manchester police tweeted: “Please do not call 101 or 999 for clarification on covid-19 regulations.”

Hahaha!

Please do. Swamp their lines.

Call them. RoboCalls. Nonstop. 24 hours a day.

Just asked my wife to pass me the phone…

My smartphone’s internet connection was disconnected almost three months ago. Since then I use it to download photos, pdfs, videos and music. I have a home PC so I don’t really need that internet connection anymore. Just imagine if millions of people around the world turned off their smartphones for a long period of time?

Snap. Liberating isn’t it?

They’ve got a week to sort this out. What a farce!

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/aug/22/shortage-of-6000-public-buses-puts-uks-school-return-at-risk

Ministers have privately warned of a shortage of 6,000 public buses needed to get children to school in England next week ….
Fears that many of the 750,000 children who travel to school by public buses will not be able to make it to classrooms were raised at a meeting chaired by Charlotte Vere, the transport minister.

Oh you’ve got to just laugh haven’t you. Maybe they’ll return to school transport as before but call them bubble buses.