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99607 Chris John, replying to Chris John, 1, #1 of 1269 🔗


100458 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Chris John, #2 of 1269 🔗

Hope you are going to drink it rather than spray it all over the place like F1 drivers!

100534 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to OKUK, #3 of 1269 🔗

There’s another sport ruined by giving credence to the crash test dummies witterings about unfairness

100530 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Chris John, #4 of 1269 🔗

And I’m still fizzing with anger at those evil or wicked, definitely inept f*cktrombones who have left us in penury with their knee jerk doubling down acts of gross stupitidy

99610 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 25, #5 of 1269 🔗
99613 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #6 of 1269 🔗

Here’s the initial CDC report that lead eventually to the risky research being halted:


They kept screwing up safety precautions and could not keep containment.

99684 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #7 of 1269 🔗

It a cheap comment to make considering the depth of your finding but in light of cottin/polyester coverings this hopped out –

“Thus, the potentially infectious samples were moved and used for experimentation by researchers in these lower biosafety level laboratories, who believing the samples were inactivated, were not wearing adequate personal protective equipment while handling the material.”

For all their tinkering with this material the really appears to be little gain for the risk. To the average tax paying joe.

What was Fauci’s motivation for continuing his funding of investigations after US CDC closure. Why did he continue in Wuhan, what was his end goal? It would appear to have been exceptional to have moved camp after being closed down to unacceptable risks.

Thanks for posting A Git.

99731 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Basics, 9, #8 of 1269 🔗

Then what happened? All the below is/was on the internet as I read it, research did myself at the time but it’s slowly disappearing. Enough clues for individuals to do their own research.

2017 moratorium lifted in the USA.


  • Chinese “scientists” arrested trying to sneak vials of the coronavirus out of Canada to Wuhan.
  • Plane listed as having started in the US and with destination Wuhan with coroanvirus samples on board put on Turkish whistleblowers website
  • Fort Derrick Maryland shut down (military cease and desist orders) for security reasons or drain problems after refurbishment – take you pick on reason
  • Ditto for the UK biolab at Porton Down
  • Gates/Soros invest in WuXi pharmaceuticals in China
  • WEF event 201
  • banker’s meeting in jackson Hole, Wyoming with carney on about resetting the financial system

Dec 2019 – Harvard professor involved in coronavirus research arrested by FBI, Justice Dept release papers. He had lied about links monetary and financial to Wuhan lab. Researchers really Chinese military scientists not civilian students. Paid lots of money by Wuhan lab as advisor.

Then you have the military games in Wuhan just before the first cases became known, the US military did not send athletes a planned but normal soldiers, vaping deaths caused by unknown lung problems which now match “true covid-19” symptoms but these disappeared quickly from the news, first cases in Japan traced to Hawaii when the US military were in transit from Seattle to Wuhan, WuXi lab by Wuhan wet market closed just after outbreak started.

Lots of interesting coincidences.

99961 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #9 of 1269 🔗

The Chinese have been operating a bio-spy ring. Very murky stuff. Nor sure it’s been so CV related as you imply.

99871 ▶▶▶ Jane, replying to Awkward Git, #10 of 1269 🔗

l e d

past of “lead”

99861 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #12 of 1269 🔗

I’ve maintained all along that Wuhan flu was a misnomer because it originated in a US lab.

99949 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #13 of 1269 🔗

Ah, the irony of some people, Trump included, calling this “the Chinese virus.”

99958 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #14 of 1269 🔗

Do you think Fauci would have told him? Doubtful.

100007 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to richard riewer, 1, #15 of 1269 🔗

He is calling it that without Fauci telling him anything.

100250 ▶▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to ConstantBees, #16 of 1269 🔗
99944 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #17 of 1269 🔗

So Fauci could have caused the outbreak…that would be well, if not exactly amusing, a nicely hubristic result.

100139 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #18 of 1269 🔗

The story is not that new.
There is an interview with Robert Kennedy jr. at Mercola, which delved into this a while ago.
Add to it his personal financial conflicts of interest and that 2 Nobel Prize winners and one nominee have now come to the conclusion, that the virus must be man-made, and that particular fish smells very rotten indeed.
And so does China’s treatment of it.

100916 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Awkward Git, #19 of 1269 🔗

Great stuff Awkward, more please. I’m soaking this stuff up & disseminating it like a patient shedding dead virus particles!

99616 Hammer Onats, replying to Hammer Onats, 60, #20 of 1269 🔗

Sack Whitty and Vallance and appoint Professor Heneghan as chief advisor. Problem solved.

99643 ▶▶ Will, replying to Hammer Onats, 32, #21 of 1269 🔗

With Sunetra Gupta and Michael Levitt as principle advisors.

99664 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Will, 36, #22 of 1269 🔗

And put Ferguson into permanent lockdown.

99683 ▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to IanE, 16, #23 of 1269 🔗

Tower of London

99685 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Dave #KBF, 13, #24 of 1269 🔗

Plenty ought to be sent there. So many that we’re going to need a bigger tower.

99708 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #25 of 1269 🔗

It’s pretty big. And social distancing would be ‘optional’,

99699 ▶▶▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Dave #KBF, 8, #26 of 1269 🔗

The ravens need the company.

100133 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Thinkaboutit, 1, #27 of 1269 🔗

‘Never more’.

100228 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Thinkaboutit, 1, #28 of 1269 🔗

Need their guts for dinner.

99927 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #29 of 1269 🔗

Agree. We should make full use of it, complete with the execution facilities on Tower Hill.

99790 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to IanE, 4, #30 of 1269 🔗

End of a rope

99862 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jaguarpig, 2, #31 of 1269 🔗

Hanging’s too kind. I think they should suffer for a L-O-N-G time!

99929 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #32 of 1269 🔗

I’d advocate making them re-enact Sisyphus for the rest of their lives.

100163 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #33 of 1269 🔗

I’d go with Prometheus.

100136 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #34 of 1269 🔗

I say we make them live the Green Utopia/Extinction Rebellion Good Life for a couple of years.

99977 ▶▶▶▶▶ djc, replying to Jaguarpig, 3, #35 of 1269 🔗

Social distancing: two metres of rope from the top of a lamppost.

100176 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to djc, #36 of 1269 🔗

By the time you add their height that might reach the ground.

99814 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Will, 9, #37 of 1269 🔗

Plus Drs John Lee and Malcolm Kendrick

100009 ▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #38 of 1269 🔗

Don’t forget them.

99834 ▶▶ alw, replying to Hammer Onats, 1, #39 of 1269 🔗

Add to that Hancock, Harding

100736 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Hammer Onats, #40 of 1269 🔗

You’ve got to get rid of Prof. John Edwards as well.

99617 mrjoeaverage, replying to mrjoeaverage, 82, #41 of 1269 🔗

My personal five interesting and unexpected indirect fallouts from Covid:

1. So many people I enjoyed watching and reading, I now can’t bear watching. And vice versa. For example, I now can’t bear the likes of Piers Morgan, when previously, I found him quite refreshing albeit annoying. As well as the usual suspects, I now weirdly find myself reading the Twitter accounts of people like Denise Welch, Matt Le Tissier, and even taken an interest in Boris Johnson’s sister. How the hell did that happen in just 8 months?! (As an aside, I do find it ironically amusing that Piers is regularly pimping his new upcoming book called “wake up” when this is exactly what he needs to do!) I even found Lee Hurst had joined the party on Twitter. I had completely forgotten about him since They Think It’s All Over ended!!!
2. We have always been made to feel extremely guilty that our daughter missing school for a holiday would have a detrimental effect on her education. How can we ever believe this rubbish again?!
3. The Covid situation has really brought home the message that friends come and go, and family is for life. Similarly to Brexit, if friends disagree with you, it is amazing how fickle and distant they can become if your views are not shared.
4. Prior to Covid, I was a Brexiteer. I wasn’t hardline, but I just felt from an extremely simplistic point of view, as a country, we should be able to have greater control over our rules. Rightly or wrongly! But, given the absolute shambolic way the Government has ruined our country…..I find myself now being a converted Remainer. I just don’t feel like this Government can be trusted to Govern!
5. When the dust settles on Covid, does anyone not feel the sheer divisions are setting up serious problems in this country? Could we start seeing civil wars? In the last few years we have created…..brexit Vs remainers, lockdown vs anti-lockdown, vaccines vs anti-vaccines, liberty arguments, woke arguments, increasing social media divisions, the people vs the media, the distrust in science vs religion, digital age vs traditionalism, a greater understanding of the darker powers and conflicting interests. Then the impact on the world? Who is going to take the blame for Covid? Will anyone? Like the masks, will two factors/countries be pitted against together? I don’t know, it just feels like this is just the very beginning, unless….someone takes a damn grip of the whole sorry situation, however likely/unlikely that is.

Anyway, keep going Toby, keep fighting. We all really appreciate your sheer effort and drive. Our numbers are growing and it is because of brave people like you!

99654 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to mrjoeaverage, 26, #42 of 1269 🔗

PM Johnson’s government no longer qualifies as representing the Leave voters and they are behaving just like the EU Parliament.

99703 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to richard riewer, 16, #43 of 1269 🔗

Well said. That is exactly what is happening. Psychologically Johnson has never left the EU.

100295 ▶▶▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to Bella Donna, -2, #44 of 1269 🔗

He closed the border and ended free movement. That is what leaving the EU means.

99667 ▶▶ IanE, replying to mrjoeaverage, 17, #45 of 1269 🔗

On point 4, you trust the EU to govern us then??? Once we are out our politicians will be forced to learn, the EUrinal will continue to stink.

99675 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to IanE, 16, #46 of 1269 🔗

Ha ha, I was thinking this a few weeks ago – I’m full on brexiteer but…

The last few months being governed by the incumbent shower of shite – are we capable of looking after our selves?

99695 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Major Panic, 38, #47 of 1269 🔗

The past few months have shown that we need a good clearout of the Establishment, and we need that whether you are a Leaver or a Remainer; Left, Right or Centre; libertarian or big-statist. We’re capable of looking after ourselves, we just have the wrong people in those jobs at the moment.

99706 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Nick Rose, 29, #48 of 1269 🔗

That’s the thing – Brexit isn’t an end in itself, it’s a step on the road to proper self-government. Most of our current political establishment have made their careers in an era where they don’t have to be accountable, merely electable, with too much decision-making passed to Brussels or unelected quangoes. As it becomes harder to pass the buck, politics will be reshaped, but it will take time.

99712 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Wesley, replying to Andrew Fish, 9, #49 of 1269 🔗

Absolutely, Andrew. It’s a root and branch rebuild that’s required.

99732 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Andrew Fish, 6, #50 of 1269 🔗

And the existing lot are terrified of that!!

99791 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Andrew Fish, 2, #51 of 1269 🔗

True. The people who get elected are pretty but pointless.

99817 ▶▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #52 of 1269 🔗

Drain the swamp!

99954 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #53 of 1269 🔗

I would find another slogan. That one hasn’t worked well for America. The American swamp is deeper and smellier than ever.

99976 ▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #54 of 1269 🔗

maybe we should defect to the SDP- any thoughts?

100014 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #55 of 1269 🔗

It might be worth lending them your vote for a bit. If we could get a change of government from the current Tory/Labour/Lib Dem parties (at local or national level) it might force the others to re-evaluate – and it would flush out a few of the current intake. All we have to do then is refuse to vote for any legacy candidate who makes a reappearance in our constituency – thus ensuring we get a new generation of politicians who know the electorate is watching.

100450 ▶▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #56 of 1269 🔗

end career politicians. One term only

99710 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Major Panic, 14, #57 of 1269 🔗

… the incumbent shower of shite

Always good to see accurate descriptions being employed, Major. 🙂

99888 ▶▶▶▶ Jane, replying to Major Panic, 5, #58 of 1269 🔗

Well, you have a greater chance of looking after yourselves outside the EU. You can vote the bastards out.

99777 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mrjoeaverage, 2, #59 of 1269 🔗

Love Lee Hurst. His comedy club at the Fym Fyg in Bethnal Green was always great. Dirty, cheap and amazing value. He was regularly the funniest guy on stage.

100262 ▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #60 of 1269 🔗

Lot of respect for him. Unfortunately I do wonder if his career is being affected by having the ‘wrong’ opinions on many things..

99867 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mrjoeaverage, 4, #61 of 1269 🔗

You point to the coming effects of divide and rule. I for one am worried.
Meanwhile, we’ll press on, resisting and educating to the best of our ability.

99887 ▶▶ Jane, replying to mrjoeaverage, 6, #62 of 1269 🔗

“3. The Covid situation has really brought home the message that friends come and go, and family is for life. Similarly to Brexit, if friends disagree with you, it is amazing how fickle and distant they can become if your views are not shared.”

Problem is that this also goes for family.
There are some real mask militants in my family. They are totally immune to any other arguments. Real bed-wetters. I have a feeling that I will be edited out for scoffing. Except: I don’t see them anyhow because no one sees anyone anymore. You can approach the frontn door, but please don’t use the loo! Pretty soon we will have to install privies so that guests don’t have to enter the house . . .

99957 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Jane, #63 of 1269 🔗

Ah, like the worker’s cottage I used to live in in the High Peak. Lots of our houses had little ex-privies out back that had been converted to garden sheds.

100001 ▶▶▶▶ court, replying to ConstantBees, 22, #64 of 1269 🔗

My friends wife who was ‘shielding’ was so scared when the 1 household meetup thing happened she actually visited her friends house with a bucket to wee in garage rather than use her friends loo. That’s when I realised that this government have succeeded in scaring the life out of normal folk.

100055 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to court, 1, #65 of 1269 🔗

Well, I have to do that in my allotment shed these days because our site toilet has been shut. Getting used to it, although it is challenging when you’re female.

100091 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #66 of 1269 🔗

It’s good for your compost heap though ! Really speeds things along.

100225 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to court, 3, #67 of 1269 🔗

I can’t imagine that woman was ever what a sane community would call normal.

100448 ▶▶ sam, replying to mrjoeaverage, 7, #68 of 1269 🔗

The EU had plans for vaccine passports two years ago
The globalists control the EU and UK govts.
Easier to fight back if we only have one corrupt layer above us instead of two

100511 ▶▶ Catherine123, replying to mrjoeaverage, 1, #69 of 1269 🔗

I admit it, I used to enjoy watching Piers Morgan – he was always witty and amusing, someone I could enjoy at a distance. But he feels out of time now, the gravity of this moment just doesn’t suit him and I wonder whether unconsciously he knows it and is acting out? These times call for people with more substance – sound bites just don’t cut it any more.

100529 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to mrjoeaverage, 6, #70 of 1269 🔗

I find myself now being a converted Remainer”

Having been ordered around by this government, whom you can remove, you now want to be ordered around by centralised technocrats you can’t remove.

Sorry I can’t get my head around that.

100573 ▶▶ Panda, replying to mrjoeaverage, #71 of 1269 🔗

Very interesting points.

I also voted for Brexit, but this covid farce and the reactionary position taken by so many on the right (of which thought I belonged prior to this situation), has made me question some of things that I perhaps took for granted. I still find a lot of the remainer arguments and attitudes deeply patronising, but I have absolutely zero faith in this prime minister or government to deliver anything at all at this point. If asked to vote again on the issue, I would probably vote against the government position.

I honestly never thought I would agree with the left on anything. And then this covid situation happened….

99631 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 21, #72 of 1269 🔗

Isabel: do you ever look at WHO’s daily summaries of the pandemic? It is raging in many nations. Which means we are all at risk. This pandemic is not over. I know you know this.
Richard Horton Editor Lancet

 Indeed. And by excluding all but deaths with first positive test within 28 days this substantially underestimates total, with many more dying within 60 days. And let’s not forget those who survive with multi organ damage
Martin McKee Prof European Public Health

The problem is that these two have very big influence in the UK and in the medical establishment .With such fear mongering bad news if the gov. listen to them

100016 ▶▶ Carlo, replying to swedenborg, 1, #73 of 1269 🔗

Martin McKee historically was also involved in the push for smoking bans.

100281 ▶▶ adele, replying to swedenborg, 2, #74 of 1269 🔗

I was thinking along those lines myself. How many in our government actually understand any of the science? The relevance of the ct threshold and false positive rate etc etc.
I doubt they sit around researching it like a lot of people on here do. I assume all they know is what the likes of MSM, SAGE and the WHO tell them, and they seem to consist of terminal bedwetters. As much as everyone is blaming Boris and Hancock, I can’t help but wonder how much they know? I can’t think of any other reason why such damage is being inflicted.
Hopefully, as we’ve seen more sceptical articles coming through MSM and mass protests, they’ll start to see what’s been right under their noses.

100451 ▶▶▶ sam, replying to adele, #75 of 1269 🔗

they only understand their fat payoffs

100489 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to adele, 3, #76 of 1269 🔗

Ignorance is not an excuse. How many of us read this site in our spare time? It consumes us because it is important. Boris is constantly skiving because it isn’t important to him.

99635 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 23, #77 of 1269 🔗

Planned food shortage ahead?

This was already flagged up a couple of days ago: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/21/uk-cheap-food-could-fuel-covid-19-spread-says-who-envoy

And here’s one from the DT:
Covid-19 can survive on frozen meat and fish for up to three weeks Scientists say this could explain outbreaks in countries that have not had cases for long periods

Here’s what a friend posted on her Fb page:
From a scientist…. I’ve been thinking about all these food factory clusters and closures. Is it by sheer coincidence the folk producing our food are more likely to test positive than say workers in arms factories and pharma plants? Or are the beer bug police specifically targeting the food industry? And if the lurgy can survive for weeks on frozen meat and fish does that apply to tofu, veggies, and Bill’s burgers too?
Before anyone gets their knickers in a twist about the latest instalment of fear in the press please remember this. Trillions of vy rus es fall from the sky every day and there is no way to avoid them. They are swept up from the planet’s surface into the troposphere and can travel thousands of miles before falling back down to earth. Scientists already know this but clearly Telegraph journalists don’t.
If you are worried about catching any lurgy you have two options. Spend the rest of your life in a Michael Jackson chamber or eat nutritious food, supplement when necessary, and go for regular walks outside to support your immune system. That’s how our ancestors batted off bugs through the millennia and it still applies to us today. http://www.maddiet.co

And here’s an interesting reply:

Well given the hubby works in said food manufacturing and out of 800 people they have had no more than 4 cases , I’d say it’s a resounding no


99674 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #78 of 1269 🔗

It is very plausible that the virus survives in frozen food.Hep A,another RNA virus,survives and there has been outbreaks of Hep A from frozen berries

99880 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, 5, #79 of 1269 🔗

That wasn’t the point I was trying to make.

Any form of raw food is risky, especially if your digestive system isn’t sufficiently robust to deal with pathogens.

This is why most of us cook our meat and fish and why our prepacked salad is washed in chlorinated water. Also why the US has to bleach its chicken but fortunately our standards are sufficiently high and that doesn’t apply here – yet.

The point is about targeting food processing plants as hotbeds of positive cases. They’ve already closed down an M&S sandwich factory. Was anyone actually ill?

I do worry that food shortages could be on the cards for winter. There’s already official talks of a second lockdown, despite de Piffle’s protests.

99964 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #80 of 1269 🔗

That was discussed in this Daily Mail article today: Cabinet Office has drawn up emergency plans to prepare for UK worst case scenario if second wave of Covid coincides with No Deal Brexit in December, leaked document reveals
The article discussed the possibility of having the army in to deal with “civil disorder” caused by food shortages and price hikes as the no-deal Brexit cuts off 30% of our food supplies from the continent.

Also (plans for) another virus outbreak in December. “As a result, social distancing measures and masks will have to continue until 2021.”

They certainly aren’t wasting this crisis.

100066 ▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #81 of 1269 🔗

The point I wanted to make was that C-19 could survive on frozen food and be imported to i.e. NZ.Clearly warming kills the virus but handling frozen food and eating raw frozen food might rarely transmit.The Chinese detected C-19 on imported Ecuadorian shrimps (best irony) but probably not enough to directly transmit. Just shows impossible to stop this virus all over the world.

100452 ▶▶▶▶ sam, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #82 of 1269 🔗

its deliberate. they are doing the same in the USA and Germany.
This is about population reduction

99679 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #83 of 1269 🔗

They could have painted out if you cook your food the virus gets dried, no problem. Wash salads cook food, wash hands.

99701 ▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Thinkaboutit, 3, #84 of 1269 🔗

I meant to say they should have pointed out if you cook your food the virus gets fried. Autocorrect fail.

99704 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #85 of 1269 🔗

Easily solved in the examples of meat, fish and most veg: cook it, because heat kills virae.

99639 David, replying to David, 18, #86 of 1269 🔗

This was mentioned in “yesterday’s” comments but it has got me so seething that, despite being a reader for the past few weeks, I finally felt compelled to join up and comment.

Has this been staged by the BBC. When and where was it taken?

99658 ▶▶ dpj, replying to David, 19, #87 of 1269 🔗

This has been going on for weeks now. At some point they have put together a library of photos of masked people in about every situation you could think of ready to be attached to an appropriate story.

99969 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to dpj, 2, #88 of 1269 🔗

Go to https://www.istockphoto.com/photos/virus-masks?phrase=virus%20masks&sort=best

Go to shutterstock.com and search for “mask children”. Literally hundreds of photos and drawings of kids in masks.

You’ll see hundreds of stock photos of people in masks on all the major stock photo sites. Photographers are good at figuring out the latest trend and capitalising on it.

99663 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to David, 12, #89 of 1269 🔗

Shame on them!

99686 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to David, 1, #90 of 1269 🔗

But couldn’t it be seen as a picture showing the obscenity of masking and socially-distancing children?

99689 ▶▶▶ David, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #91 of 1269 🔗

Well, it is also that. But it would be generous in the extreme to assume that was their intention in using it.

99687 ▶▶ mjr, replying to David, 6, #92 of 1269 🔗

and all vox pops on tv show masked people in situations where the regulations mean masks are not required. It wouldnt surprise me if they deliberately ignore 10 unmasked people walking past and then pounce on the 11th masked person .

99690 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to mjr, 2, #93 of 1269 🔗

Of course, they are actors. Heard a vox Pop on the radio re travellers returning from Croatia. Person straight from RADA. Complete crap.

99886 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mjr, 1, #94 of 1269 🔗

I’ve noticed that in press photos. Label says “Shoppers wearing masks on X high st. When you look at the pic, one person, centre shot, will be masked and everyone else is acting normally.

99891 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to mjr, #95 of 1269 🔗

The 11th person is the one more likely to give the BBC-acceptable answer. So yes.

99640 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 23, #96 of 1269 🔗

It is time we all set about putting pressure on the ‘government’ to end this farce.

Millions of people in the global south use HCQ as an anti-malarial and the incidence of Covid-19 is negligible. In many countries nobody has died from the disease.


HCQ is safe, cheap and effective and can be used as a prophylactic.

What are we waiting for?

99649 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to PastImperfect, 8, #97 of 1269 🔗

Enough pitchforks ?

99666 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PastImperfect, 6, #98 of 1269 🔗

Bill Gates.

99671 ▶▶ Basics, replying to PastImperfect, 13, #99 of 1269 🔗

A retrial of HCQ.

HCQ is being used sucessfully in small doses around the world. African countries, India and so on. Western HCQ trials of effectiveness against Covid19 appear to have been arranged to fail. Designed from the outset to essentialy cause toxic poisoning through administering unsafe amounts to subjects. The effects of these ultra high toxic doses were studied. Trials cut short because of the harm and deaths attributed. HCQ is over the counter in many, many countries. It has been in common use for 65 years.

Low amounts are proving to be superbly effective.

I believe there is a court case in Brazil which is fighting back against the flawed high doseage trials.

99681 ▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Basics, 5, #100 of 1269 🔗

I’ve taken it for years. Will continue to do so.

99688 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Thinkaboutit, 5, #101 of 1269 🔗

It’s is said to be hard to get hold of in US now. Pharmacists not honouring prescriptions – on a rare occasion a doctor has prescribed it.

UK I have no idea what the status is – health service shut down as written about so sadly above.

99702 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 1, #102 of 1269 🔗

If it’s over-the-counter in many countries, some enterprising dudes will take orders on the interweb and post you some. 🙂

99709 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to JohnB, 2, #103 of 1269 🔗

Essential what came up in the 9 doctors for truth discussion. Market forces supply and demand. People need to be asking for it.

99895 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, #104 of 1269 🔗

At a premium. See previous post.

100025 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cheezilla, #105 of 1269 🔗

Fair enough though – envelopes, postage, profit to live on. It’s not their fault our governments have gone ga-ga.

99682 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Basics, 4, #106 of 1269 🔗

This is the Brazilian letter in English with all signatories


99774 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #107 of 1269 🔗

I have written to Toby in this vein with a few suggestions. I hope he thinks it is worth while.

I believe HCQ could be the key if we can get the story out to enough people.

There isn’t much time. Rally on Saturday. Gov’t 2-year extension Sept.

99893 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PastImperfect, #108 of 1269 🔗

I was checking it out yesterday. Amazon has none listed.
One site, with medical info, said it cost just over £6 for 20 tabs but there was no facility to purchase.
A couple of other sites were offering it for sale in the UK but wanted at least £30 for 20 tabs!!

99641 Marcus, replying to Marcus, 15, #110 of 1269 🔗

So now Chris Whitty’s view is that missing school poses more risk to children than Covid, which is what we’ve said all along… The past was alterable. The past never had been altered..

99668 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Marcus, 8, #111 of 1269 🔗

Newspeak. 1984. Big Brother.

99644 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 9, #112 of 1269 🔗

An article making the case against UBI.


I don’t think it is very convincing, because it analyses UBI against the ‘old normal’. Reluctantly, I am forced to accept that we are heading towards a ‘new normal’. Furloughing is already a radical departure from the old ways of doing things, and in the coming months and years the state is going to have to take the reins in many vital aspects of our lives that used to be serviced by the businesses vapourised by government policy.

I envisage a society that exists mainly in its homes. A garden will be much more important than it used to be, but the government will mandate mask wearing there, too. A system of rewards will be set up for people who inform on their neighbours, and there will be constant monitoring with drones – enthusiastically welcomed by most responsible citizens.

People will be idle much of the time, living a virtual existence through the internet and TV. Their only physical needs will be food, IT products, physical exercise machines, the upkeep of their houses, and sanitary products (hand sanitiser, gloves, masks, etc.). New clothes will be largely unnecessary – most people preferring to wear ‘green-screen’ overalls with ‘fun’ virtual outfits generated by their computer when making video calls.

Someone will have to produce these products, but automation will reduce the need for physical manpower. We are already seeing that people such as designers and engineers can do much of their work from their homes.

People will travel much less than today, and if they do, it will be via on-demand self-driving vehicles with built-in automatic sanitisation tanks and sprays, which will take them to automated train stations and airports. This will keep them “safe”. Permission to travel will be a privilege that can be earned by, for example, informing on neighbours who fail to wear their masks.

A maximum one-child policy will be encouraged, with financial penalties for those who deviate from this. Children will get all their schooling needs through their screens. People who can demonstrate same-sex relationships will receive financial rewards. People in the most historically-privileged categories (e.g. males with pale skin) will live in the poorest accommodation with limited access to the internet, giving them time to reflect on what they have done and reducing their toxic influence on society.

All entertainment and news will be via officially-sanctioned internet channels. Citizens will be required to hand over old DVDs for disposal, with stiff penalties for those who are found to have kept contraband material. The harshest punishments will be reserved for a list of particular titles, the worst of which is Gone With The Wind .

In other words, I think it’s all going to go a bit ‘science fiction’ (it’s already started) and UBI will be the obvious answer to keeping the population docile while permitting some degree of enterprise among those so inclined…

99691 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Barney McGrew, 13, #113 of 1269 🔗

If I’m unfortunate enough to still be alive I’ll definitely top myself but hope to take a government minister or advisor with me.

99700 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #114 of 1269 🔗

Buck up Bella – several of the fuckers. 🙂

99721 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #115 of 1269 🔗

Except UBI will have to be very low to be sustainable. The scenario isn’t economically sustainable, so is bound to fail. Hope that cheered you up.

99897 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #116 of 1269 🔗

And legalised dope smoking!

99946 ▶▶ matt, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #117 of 1269 🔗

Before I start this, let me just say for the record: I am a free-market capitalist (in case I haven’t made that obvious here before). I do think that the state has a practical duty (though not necessarily a moral duty) to make provisions for those who can’t or won’t look after themselves, though I also believe that people have a responsibility to make their own way, as far as possible without state intervention. I also believe that the state is just about the least efficient possible organisation to handle anything and in an ideal world should limit itself to the things that simply can’t be run through other means (er… defence. Maybe policing). But I realise that last point is an argument that was lost more than a century ago.

UBI works on paper – the key being “universal” – and it’s actually a fiscally conservative mechanism. If you’re going to have to provide funding for people who can’t/won’t work anyway (and let’s face it, that’s inevitable) then it makes sense to provide an amount of money sufficient to live on – otherwise, there’s little or no point. If you then give the same amount of money to everyone, regardless of their means, employment status, motivation, you a) avoid the trap of resentment in both directions (I resent you because you have more money than I have and I don’t believe you’ve earned it; you resent me because I do nothing and I live off your taxes) and b) retain a motivation to become economically productive – it’s only possible to earn more money by taking a job and the benefits are incremental and clear; my £Xk a year UBI is guaranteed. If I take a job paying £Yk, then I will have £Xk + £Yk. But – to stress – it does have to be universal, otherwise very thing falls over.

How is it funded? Well (again, on paper), in theory you can raise corporation tax to compensate. If UBI is £15k (example figure, for the sake of argument) then an employer can reduce the salary it pays to every single employee by £15k (and they will be net even). With employer’ ps NI costs and whatnot, that 15k salary equates to more than a 15k saving, therefore the tax bill on the corporation can be substantially increased.

End result (in theory): you don’t have a more equal society, but you have a society where there’s less resentment, because everyone has enough to live on and everything that anyone has above that, is off their own bat. You significantly reduce the administration (And cost) involved in welfare payment, because everybody gets the same amount of money, regardless – this means you actually reduce the size of the state. Meanwhile, social disharmony is decreased and it’s a more appealing place for companies to operate.

Now, all that is theory. There are any number of problems I can see with implementing it in practice, not least of which is the impossible political problem of saying “yes, even Richard Branson gets £15k a year”. I’m not convinced, or a particular supporter, but I do think it’s an interesting concept, particularly when and if a significant proportion of current jobs are automated out of existence.

99990 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to matt, 5, #118 of 1269 🔗

Good summary. I come from a similar political base as you, albeit probably rather more nationalist and traditionalist. In the past when I was more of an idealist my ideals tended to anarcho-capitalism, which is pretty much pure free market capitalism. The points you make in support of it are sound, though it will not stop many people resenting those ricer than they are.

The main problems with it are first that it relies on government administration and therefore delivery will be both corrupt and incompetent. Second, it means that more and more people will be dependent on direct state income, and it must be pretty clear now even to those who might have been naive on this point a few years ago that there is no prospect of that power not being used by the government for direct coercion.

However, it is argued, and with some force, that the logic of accelerating technological advancement makes something of the sort inevitable, as more and more people are simply unable to compete with automation (including AI, for the non-manual workers).

100050 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Mark, 2, #119 of 1269 🔗

It is argued that the spinning Jenny and the steam loom will assign everyone to the workhouse and that the working folk will face an ever-worsening future, while the evil capitalists become ever wealthier.

We are desperately in need of genuine innovation to increase productivity, assuming you believe that economic growth contributes to the increasing welfare of the population. The “digital revolution” has contributed nothing beyond an expectation that more expensive people should be able to do things for themselves with apps, so less expensive people can be laid off. I’m exactly the right age that email was a business novelty as I came into the workforce, but it’s still clear that what it’s actually achieved is to increase the opportunity for “doing stuff” without much increasing the opportunity to get things done.

Automation and AI may be very disruptive in the short term, but I’m fairly sure of two things: 1) history tells us that human beings adapt to disruption and have a determination to go out and find themselves useful things to do, so they can feed their families; and 2) this technology is nowhere near as advanced as people would like you to believe it is.

100158 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to matt, #120 of 1269 🔗

1 & 2 are both pretty reasonable points, but that doesn’t mean that what was true about past technological advances will necessarily be true about future ones. Though experience certainly would tend to put the Luddite on the back foot.

I think it’s possible to make the case that past technological advances have gone some way towards making a proportion of the population who were formerly perfectly employable as manual labour, much less in demand, and that future tech advances are likely to increase the proportion to whom that apples.

Which is not to say that it would be advisable or feasible to stand athwart the advance of technology, yelling Stop. Merely that it’s worth considering the likely consequences. One of which might well be an increase in the desire for and feasibility of ubi, which past tech advances have arguably made possible. If nothing else, you could not have employed enough clerks and administrators to effectively implement and police a ubi scheme with C19th technology in a state rapidly approaching a population of 70 million plus.

100319 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Mark, #121 of 1269 🔗

Both the agricultural revolution and the industrial revolution led to huge numbers of workless and disaffected in the short term. For a few decades after each got into the swing, you might have thought that you were seeing the destitution of the nation, but meanwhile economic output continued to increase and new jobs were created.

It’s not at all obvious today where the growth opportunities come from when it comes to automation and AI, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t there. Manual Labour has continually become more specialised and more skilled and at the same time, manual labourers have remained in demand. We’re never again going to be a low cost country and we shouldn’t worry too much about that.

100568 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to matt, #122 of 1269 🔗

But past experience does not reliably forecast future prospects in such matters.

100070 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to matt, 2, #123 of 1269 🔗

You also might increase innovation. Having a bit of a safety net makes it easier for people to try out new ideas instead of just having to get a safe and boring job that pays the bills.

100322 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to guy153, 1, #124 of 1269 🔗

That too, yes. But again – all of this works on paper. I’d be fascinated to see it trialed properly, I’m just not sure I want to be a guinea pig.

100361 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to matt, #125 of 1269 🔗

I knew a guy once who went on about the abolition of money and how great it would be in a philosophical-sounding way. Then I learned later in the conversation that if money were abolished he would have been about 15k better off…

I think we may find support of UBI polarized on similar lines with obvious exceptions being the usual suspects like George Monbiot and those kind of people.

100388 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to guy153, #126 of 1269 🔗

I think we may become simultaneously more economically productive and less economically active. We’re a long way off it though at this point. The accountant-free accounts receivable department is probably further away than the driverless car (which is much further away than they would have you believe).

100442 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to matt, 1, #127 of 1269 🔗

You say trialled properly, so I’m assuming you’re aware of the limited experiments in some countries, all stopped AFAIK, except maybe the Alaska social divi .
The arguments against UBI seemed compelling to me. You can only fund it by withdrawing all state run universal safety nets, leaving each individual to fund their children’s education, all health and social care etc. And you still still have to deal with the mentally ill, druggies and others who can’t look after themselves on £15K p.a.

100563 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bruno, #128 of 1269 🔗

I saw a story in the last couple of days suggesting there’s another research project just been announced in Germany.

100180 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #130 of 1269 🔗

If the answer is ‘more government’ then you’re asking the wrong question!

99645 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 36, #131 of 1269 🔗

Chris Whitty has stated that closing schools is more harmful to children than the virus ever could be. In this he is obviously correct. However, he ought to be asked when he knew this. Did he know this when the government (notwithstanding their denial) decided to close the schools? If he did not, he is at best incompetent. If he did, he was guilty of participating in a decision that he knew would cause serious and substantial and unnecessary harm to the children of this country. Whitty, and all the others responsible for inflicting this harm on the nation’s children need to be held to account. Now.

99651 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Hayes, 15, #132 of 1269 🔗

Whitty should have the grace to resign, and spend the rest of his life in a severely penitential order of monks.

Not doing this, or similar, makes him a valid target.

99800 ▶▶▶ paulito, replying to JohnB, 7, #133 of 1269 🔗

He should be in solitary for the rest of his life and forced to wear a muzzle 24 hours a day.

99981 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to paulito, 1, #134 of 1269 🔗

Preferably in the Tower of London!

99656 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #135 of 1269 🔗

Quite. Either the virus has just now mutated and become effectively harmless to children, or it always was.

99676 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #136 of 1269 🔗

This article was published in the New England Journal of Medicine on 28 February 2020, ie a month before the lockdown measures. The study clearly shows that the virus presents almost no risk to children.

99717 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Steve Hayes, 19, #137 of 1269 🔗

If you look at Chris Whitty’s career, he has had close links for years with the BMGF. I am not saying that he is directly funded, perish the thought, and of course those handy online fact-checkers confirm that he’s not :-), but it is impossible not to doubt his motives for anything he says.

These senior people whose advice supposedly informs the contradictory Government diktats are morally bankrupt and criminal: ‘Schools must open but the R number (WTF) will go up so we’ll have to close pubs and shops’ , ‘Look at all these rising cases; it’s the second wave. We’ll need another full lockdown’ , ‘There are no deaths in (wherever) so they must be locked down’ , ‘No you can’t get your cancer treated, it’s far too dangerous to go to hospital’, ‘Food factories are hot-spots of ‘cases’ but not Amazon warehouses’ etc etc. etc. The promotion of their lies by the media is equally culpable. Confusion and fear rule and we stay divided. It is deliberate.

We sceptics have always known that the Government has never followed ‘the science’. What they appear to be following, along with most other governments, is the WHO playbook, funded by famous philanthropists and big pharma. The ever-changing and contradictory ‘advice’ and ‘facts’ are part of the psyop. From what I understand, cognitive dissonance is a favourite tool of behavioural scientists and torturers. You are forced to hold at least two contradictory ideas in your head at once and it drives you mad so you submit. Examples abound e.g. shop workers were given no protection at all when there was a chance of catching CV19 but as soon as it disappeared screens were erected and then masks were made mandatory. Some employers even callously make them wear masks all day. My hairdresser can sit in a pub without a mask on but at work she’s expected to wear a mask and a visor now for 10 hours at a stretch.

Nobody sane could think this was about protecting health. Arguably governments have also been driven insane as well as their people. The only ‘independence’ shown by any leader now is the imposition of more draconian measures than any other leader and so the ante goes up and up. Even Sweden may not be all that great really and Belarus is facing a CIA-backed ‘colour’ revolution so they may not hold out for long either.

I recommend LSs not to submit to the cognitive dissonance of watching the tyranny and dystopia increase while trying to believe that this is about panic and cock-up. Boris Johnson will never ‘grow a pair’. He is a puppet.

As George Carlin memorably said, all those years ago:

‘They don’t give a fuck about you. They don’t care. At all…..AT ALL……. AT ALL!!!’ MW

99738 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 9, #138 of 1269 🔗

There is also nearly nothing about him anywhere except the following:

one of 4 brothers
never married
father shot dead in Athens
most of childhood spent in Nigeria
Went to Malawi to study malaria where he became involved with Bill Gates
top vaccine researched at GSK
became CMO of England
Now on board at WHO – recent appointment. Reward for services rendered?

That’s it sum total of searches.

99743 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #139 of 1269 🔗

Thanks, ‘Okkard GIt’! Not much but enough to spell it out. MW

99783 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #140 of 1269 🔗

They only want your obedience and your money.

99652 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 16, #141 of 1269 🔗

Get on with your lives! Professor says as coronavirus “not as deadly as first thought” ‘ – It’s our old friend Prof Carl Heneghan again. Can he please be made the Chief Medical Officer?

How are they chosen? Like the Pope?

99672 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to richard riewer, 6, #142 of 1269 🔗

I think they have to gone to the same school as the chief civil servant in the department of health.

99789 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Andrew Fish, 2, #143 of 1269 🔗

The chief civil servant in the department of health knows his dossiers. He also knows who butters his toast.

99911 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, #144 of 1269 🔗

But even Heneghan implies that he defers to distancing and risks etc:

“When outbreaks do occur in pubs they should currently be seen as outliers. They give us an opportunity to study them – assess why the outbreak occurred so other venues can learn and reduce their risks.
Where they have broken the social distancing rules, this should be made clear .”

99653 Lord Rickmansworth WillyWanks the 4th, replying to Lord Rickmansworth WillyWanks the 4th, 3, #145 of 1269 🔗

Come and listen to the only podcast taking the piss out of the bedwetting morons out there. Might change the name of the podcast…suggestions in replies please! It’ll be on iTunes next week. For now: https://open.spotify.com/show/4TvMounXNnJPuycMbn3kj7?si=rdqJ9sQrSn6wYSIbJ8YSJw

99715 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Lord Rickmansworth WillyWanks the 4th, 4, #146 of 1269 🔗

Listened yesterday, twas very good. We need more of the dramatics to lift our spirits, maybe a guest or two some discussion.

Name change sounds like a good idea.

99734 ▶▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth WillyWanks the 4th, replying to Dave #KBF, #147 of 1269 🔗

Yeah, if you’ve got any suggestions please pop them over!

99914 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lord Rickmansworth WillyWanks the 4th, 1, #148 of 1269 🔗

Strayed sheep might be an appropriate Handel?

Sorry, couldn’t resist!

Ricks Rave

Good stuff, will listen later!

I’d also recommend “London Calling” from James Delingpole and Toby Young himself. They’re not without a little fun poked at the bedwetters.

Also, the Delingpod from James Delingpole. Both can be found on most podcat providers



99655 drrobin, replying to drrobin, 22, #151 of 1269 🔗

Brilliant article today Toby. Like the increased use of letters from contributors to get facts across. Like the observations and links in the comments section, anyone scrolling through your articles and reader comments for the last couple of days can gain more than enough information tounderstand everything we see happening. Kee up the great work.

99915 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to drrobin, 5, #152 of 1269 🔗

Agreed! Thanks Toby.

99660 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Bella Donna, -1, #154 of 1269 🔗

thank you! we needed a laugh

99694 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #155 of 1269 🔗

But… it doesn’t deviate from the mainstream narrative. It thinks that the problem was that we didn’t lock down soon enough. This won’t bother Boris – it is a secondary irritation for him compared to The Big One: that we shouldn’t have locked down at all.

99719 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Barney McGrew, -1, #156 of 1269 🔗

It was supposed to be humorous Barney! 😁

99722 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #157 of 1269 🔗

So is Nish Kumar. But I’m not laughing 🙂

99951 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #158 of 1269 🔗

Don’t worry – Nish is laughing so much at his own jokes that he doesn’t care if you Think he’s funny.

99659 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 4, #159 of 1269 🔗

I found this baloney on the Canada Weather Network site. Worried about global temperatures might be in the year 2100! This info came from the Government of Canada no less.


99662 ▶▶ watashi, replying to richard riewer, 2, #160 of 1269 🔗

yellow car

99661 Cheezilla, 7, #161 of 1269 🔗

Alexis Fitzgerald, thank you for your contribution. What an awesome post. Bring some friends!

99670 Neil Hartley, replying to Neil Hartley, 5, #162 of 1269 🔗

The Guardian-reading woman’s e-mail was spot on. Her reference to Event 201 can be further supported as follows: The GPMB (Global Preparedness Monitoring Board, a UN/WHO/WBG organisation) report “A World At Risk – Annual report on global preparedness for health emergencies” states on page 10 of the Exec Summary that a progress indicator by September 2020 is:

“The United Nations (including WHO) conducts at least two system-wide training and simulation exercises, including one for covering the deliberate release of a lethal respiratory pathogen .”

The simulation exercise was Event 201 in October 2019.

Could it be that Covid-19 is the “deliberate release of a lethal respiratory”?

The report can be found at https://apps.who.int/gpmb/assets/annual_report/GPMB_annualreport_2019.pdf

99923 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Neil Hartley, #163 of 1269 🔗

Military games 2019?

99673 Tony Rattray, 3, #164 of 1269 🔗


Yes indeed toby, we finally have a credible scientist from the mainstream being listened to and saying like it really is in the uk! As we have known for months here, the below will end by being the historic opinion of the madness / mass moronity which has come to pass over the last 5 months.


PS. Below is sturgeons reaction to someone breaking the lockdown rules on an aberdeen beach who was looking forward to a big second wave! Note the reference to new zealand, where the demented woke leader would certainly lock him up!


99677 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #165 of 1269 🔗

Where can we get the full Whitty interview? That was just clips and very edited. Why did they show his hands? And did anyone notice he doesn’t seem to blink. It’s like he’s been injected with that stuff that stops wrinkles and creates no expression.

99697 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #166 of 1269 🔗

The WHO gives him access to youth serum. It’s experimental, so it doesn’t quite work.
( I just totally made that up, in case anyone doesn’t get the sarcasm).

99711 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Thinkaboutit, 1, #167 of 1269 🔗


99785 ▶▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Awkward Git, #168 of 1269 🔗


99718 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Thinkaboutit, 1, #169 of 1269 🔗

Frightening how often many a true word is spoken in jest.

99781 ▶▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to JohnB, 2, #170 of 1269 🔗

Its impossible to do satire anymore. The real world outruns it.

99723 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Thinkaboutit, 1, #171 of 1269 🔗


99793 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Thinkaboutit, 1, #172 of 1269 🔗

They should have given him a truth serum instead.

99707 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #173 of 1269 🔗

All you need on Whitty is this quote:

Select Committee for Health and Social Care, 21st July 2020:

CMO Dr Chris Whitty stated “If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

Toby mentioned it exactly once then never again. Anywhere. By anyone.

Committee Chair Hunt never question him on it and neither did any other committee member. They have not answered e-mails about this either.

No other links anywhere on the internet no matter what search engine you use either.

Only place it is on is on parliamentlivetv which they cannot really hide but do not advertise and you ahem to search for the quote.


Here is a link to a video I had them make for me, the instructions for this are on the website and easy to follow:


It runs from 10:58:00 to 11:01:00 on the video recording of the committee hearing.

99724 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #174 of 1269 🔗

Very useful – thank you! MW

99778 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Awkward Git, #175 of 1269 🔗

Brill, thanks.

99786 ▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Awkward Git, #176 of 1269 🔗

Thanks .Will take a look.

99713 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #178 of 1269 🔗

Botox 😉

99792 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Country Mumkin, #179 of 1269 🔗


99819 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to richard riewer, #180 of 1269 🔗

Or bollox

99678 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 32, #181 of 1269 🔗

Well said Toby Young.
This shouldn’t be about right or left wing.
It’s about being numerate and being able to understand relative risks.

99725 ▶▶ Will, replying to NappyFace, 9, #182 of 1269 🔗

I do think we could do with a high profile, centre left figure, also a Remainer, to come out in favour of Lockdown Scepticism. Much as I appreciate, indeed admire, what Toby has done here, bravely ploughing a lonely furrow at, I imagine, considerable professional risk, he is an extremely divisive figure for people who are Remain, ideologically and I do feel that is limiting the traction of our argument.

99740 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Will, 2, #183 of 1269 🔗

Agreed. Where would someone like Charlie Kennedy have been on this?

99747 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to kf99, 2, #184 of 1269 🔗

A very good example. I wonder where Heseltine is on lockdown.

100035 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to Will, #185 of 1269 🔗

Or Ken Clarke.

100292 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Carlo, #186 of 1269 🔗

Ah yes. Ken Clarke – the doyen of the left since his stance on a No-Deal Brexit… never mind the million quid [at least] he made from a Tobacco company who exploited children in Africa — soooo progressive! 🙂

99829 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to kf99, 2, #187 of 1269 🔗

Pissed out of his head

99755 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 17, #188 of 1269 🔗

It’s certainly true that people like Toby Young, Simon Dolan and Peter Hitchens will be attacked because of their politics, or perceived politics (lots of people think Hitchens is a “Tory”, which he isn’t) by people on the left, and any message they have will be ignored. I am afraid this is the case in the US where masks have become political, and toxic and daft US politics is infecting the world.

Lord Sumption is probably more centre right than left but he was probably a Remainer.

It’s quite shocking that not a single serving MP has at any point stated that the Emperor has no clothes.

99967 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 2, #189 of 1269 🔗

The MPs are certanily not serving their constituents!
Skiving MPs more like!

99760 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Will, 4, #190 of 1269 🔗

I wonder what Frank Field’s views are? He’s no longer an MP but he was always one of the few MPs I respected.

99995 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Edward, #191 of 1269 🔗

He’s busy promoting Adonis’ book about Bevin.
This recent post might be of interest however:

This is the most important report on how to counter hunger and it should be the basis of our political action in countering this evil. https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld5801/ldselect/ldfphe/85/85.pdf

I had a quick look. This bit rang alarm bells:

The government has introduced guidance on what constitutes a healthy diet through Public Health England’s Eatwell guide…..
…. We also have recommended that the government step up its efforts to encourage the food industry to reformulate its products to reduce harmful levels of salt, sugar and unhealthy types of fats…

Depends whose version of healthy fat you then promote!
However, I’d say the conclusions are relevant, given the coming epidemic of unemployment.

99680 davews, replying to davews, 7, #192 of 1269 🔗

Just back from our first church service in the building. Covid-wise probably less of an ordeal than I thought. Arrived fairly early when there was nobody guarding the sanitiser or track-and-trace pad – that though was academic as I am well known there and we had all previously indicated we would be attending. 20 chairs distributed in singles and pairs at 2m spacing in the large hall. Nearly everybody else put a mask on either before or just after they entered, but virtually everyone had removed them ten minutes later. Friend Ian was distributing masks to those who didn’t, had to thrust my lanyard in his sight to remind him. One lady asked where I had got my lanyard from, suffers from asthma, one success.

The service itself didn’t quite work as planned. It was a live plus Zoom service but they couldn’t manage to get sound from the remote Zoom participants. A bit important since the hymn music and prayers were being done by one of our remote members. So after starting 20 minutes late some substitutes had to be made and we just read the words of a couple of the hymns (not allowed to sing them anyway..).

Good to see old friends, at times even maskless, but I have the feeling trying to do it with the Zoom element is not the way forward.

99693 ▶▶ David, replying to davews, 23, #193 of 1269 🔗

I thought you lot answered to a higher power. Just sing! And be, er, damned! If we are at the point where the Police would attend to haul away pensioners singing hymns in church then we are already lost.

99705 ▶▶ Basics, replying to davews, 9, #194 of 1269 🔗


For interest.

When lairds cleared the land people were left to live on the scraps of land at the fringes, the beaches. People continued to go to church. Fighting covid lockdown measures inspiration is found in our past.

No mistaking how brutal humans are against other humans. Not done in error. Deliberately cold actions.

99720 ▶▶ Youth_Unheard, replying to davews, 13, #195 of 1269 🔗

You can sing!!! It is only GUIDANCE and there are no consequences for it!

99802 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to davews, 9, #196 of 1269 🔗

Sing anyway. That will expose the snitches in your group. When found, excommunicate them.

99692 Thinkaboutit, replying to Thinkaboutit, 31, #197 of 1269 🔗

Re reports from doctors and patients today, the medical profession should hang its head in shame. What happened to ” First, do no harm”.
Collectively rallying round to provide front line cover in the initial wave, fine. (Doctos are only too proud to tell me that they did this). But now, covering up the LACK of serious Covid cases so that the fear can be maintained.
Actively preventing other patients from getting medical treatment, at this late stage of the pandemic, will go down in history as an act of mass manslaughter.
Furthermore, we pay £2.4billion a week for this. Any consultant who phones me up will get fried. And I’ll only zoom if he comes round and shows me how to use the thing.

99764 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Thinkaboutit, 7, #198 of 1269 🔗

I suppose the NHS was caught up in the whole overblown fear mantle created by Imperial and the letters from Simon Stevens to prepare for the 660k admissions that never happened. I know my friends still working for the NHS loath with a passion the clap for the NHS and the thank you NHS. Boris has certainly created a monster. My senior nurse partner says a lot of the doctors don’t really know what has happened, are lost and he sends the link to Carl Heneghan to many.

But also some staff like the adoration.

99773 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to wendy, 15, #199 of 1269 🔗

Maybe in the beginning but there is no excuse for this charade to continue. The NHS should have been back to full service after 3 weeks.

99808 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Victoria, 2, #200 of 1269 🔗

Yes. Simon Stevens though continues to go along with the Imperial model, as does the government, in preparing for the winter wave so it is a higher management thing keeping things from functioning. Even the white elephant Nightingales and the private hospitals are being kept on standby. The top is holding up the change back. I suppose as an employee of the government Stevens goes with their narrative.

99845 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to wendy, 2, #201 of 1269 🔗

Although Simon Stevens, his NHS Chief Financial Officer Julian Kelly and management generally are planning and funding for services to mostly be back to 100% running by October (70% August, 80% Sept):
Their guidance also now says that 14 day isolation prior to in- patient procedure is only recommended for the vulnerable, para3.5 of Guidance:

99991 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Bruno, #202 of 1269 🔗

But what about the 50% telemedicine we keep hearing about? That’s not 100% running, that’s 50% plus the few conditions that can be helped via phone or Skype.

100004 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bruno, #203 of 1269 🔗

But that’s still nonsense! The vulnerable will be at risk AFTER their in-patient procedure!

99989 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to wendy, 6, #204 of 1269 🔗

“But also some staff like the adoration.” They better watch that. I’ve been watching the Daily Mail comment sections quite carefully and hostility towards the NHS, including doctors and nurses, has been rising sharply. The continued lack of medical care is angering larger sections of the public – and this will only get worse over time as people suffer various medical conditions that they can’t get real help with.

100033 ▶▶▶▶ Montag Smith, replying to ConstantBees, #205 of 1269 🔗

I don’t know what what other European health services are like, but I’ve always found the NHS to be mediocre. The best thing that could be said about it is that it’s free at the point of use.

100062 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Montag Smith, #206 of 1269 🔗

Well, they saved my life by operating when I had cancer. Then turned around and insisted that I needed chemo when it wasn’t actually the recommended treatment for my stage and grade of cancer. So swings and roundabouts here.

And as a user of American medical services, I can tell you that things could be worse. My mother was notified of her terminal lung cancer diagnosis by telephone in 1997 by an American doctor.

99805 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Thinkaboutit, 1, #207 of 1269 🔗

Put them on the spot. Test their technological prowess and their lack of humanity.

99870 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Thinkaboutit, 8, #208 of 1269 🔗

Doctors should be given no benefit of doubt, they’ve betrayed their patients, betrayed their oaths and lost the trust of the country. They will never recover their position in society.

100407 ▶▶ TJS123, replying to Thinkaboutit, 1, #209 of 1269 🔗

In the hospital where I work, we want to see patients and are constantly trying to change the game so that we can, and are treated as if we’re being selfish. It’s purely a management decision that clinic space is not available to us and we are desperate that we can’t provide our usual service. I’ve even seen urgent patients in the car park and will probably be called to account for that. Phone consultations are not clinically safe, it’s impossible to properly assess and diagnose a patient without seeing and examining them. People don’t feel able to speak out as the cost would be our jobs, there is a rule not to “bring theTrust into disrepute” , a disciplinary matter, and this can cover pretty much any type of public expression of opinion, let alone the abysmal treatment of actual whistleblowers.

99696 RickH, replying to RickH, 37, #210 of 1269 🔗

Well done for publishing that article about ‘left-wing’ scepticism.

As I’ve said before, this issue cuts across the simple(minded) left/right dimension, and there are plenty of us who pigeon-hold as ‘left’ are also advocates of civil liberties and human rights. It used to be a taken-for-granted position outside the totalitarian spoof ‘left’.

And, yes, we are Blairites – of the Eric sort rather than the Iraq-bombing sort.

We value the freedom of speech that he passionately advocated, and are similarly against the corrupt perversion of language that he hated. We tend to be just as ‘okkard’ ( a term from my part of the world – contrarian by instinct and reluctant to sign up to shite just because it pretends the correct pedigree. The jackboot brigades to our left and to our right wings don’t much care for the breed : we don’t march to any old tune, and recognize the contradictions that Orwell wrote about so forcefully in ‘Homage to Catalonia’.

Above all, I guess that many of us of my age remember the sort of ‘leftism’ of this generalised sort that inspired many of the two generations that went before; generations that felt strongly ‘never again’ and created the better world that we grew up in. It’s why I never wear a poppy since it became demeaned by the knee-jerk followers of fashion. The handed-down experience is too raw for such empty and sentimental obeisance that defiles rather than enhances memory – especially when we see this crumbling in the face of a rather ordinary virus.

Many of us now feel politically homeless as Starmer tactically eases his way up the greasy pole, leaving any shreds of principle at the base, whilst a gross narcissist, known only for egregiously lying through his teeth at any possibility of advantage, pretends to govern the country. I guess a lot of decent (if mistaken 🙂 ) Tories feel the same.

No – as said – this crisis isn’t defined by left/right.

99741 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to RickH, 15, #211 of 1269 🔗

Hear, hear!! Left-right has definitely left the building; far too simplistic. We’re ‘lefty refugees’ here too and we’re quite amused to be re-born as right-wing libertarians 🙂 Starmer is Blair on steroids and we think the hijacking of the poppy thing is yet another psyop.

Above all, thank you for using the word ‘okkard’. Maybe you’re a north-westerner too. When I was about 20, my Dad (a small ‘c’ conservative) was asked to describe his daughter in one word. Guess which one he chose! MW

99749 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 11, #212 of 1269 🔗

It is strange to be a right wing libertarian now for me too. But what this has done for me is to broaden my thinking. Perhaps open my eyes. I am so grateful to Toby for risking doing this website. And yes Starmer is terrible. I had hoped he might take up the sceptical mantle but instead he doubled down on the lefts risk adverse and elimination tripe. There is no going back now. But who will we vote for? I feel Labour is over for me. When I see Michael Gove I have a feeling he is going to come out as a sceptic and wrestle Boris off the podium. Would that be a good thing?

99758 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to wendy, 6, #213 of 1269 🔗

Yes, Toby Y has done us all a great service and i haven’t minded being exposed to different views either. What passes for the ‘left’ are a lost cause, it seems. As for Gove taking over – would it make any difference at all? I doubt it. MW

99767 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 9, #214 of 1269 🔗

I tend to think that Gove, or anyone else, taking over would only be a good thing if it was on the basis of an admission that a huge mistake had been made and that we now need to get back to normal.

On the other hand I suppose it’s possible that he’s a secret sceptic, but would not say it openly, but would gradually look for a way out rather than doubling down. That would not be ideal, because it leaves us open to another round of this shit next time there is a “pandemic”, but it would arguably be better than what we have now.

He did say masks would not be mandatory – it’s possible that was a windup, but I tend to think it’s what he really thought. That’s a tiny chink of light maybe.

99787 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Julian, 4, #215 of 1269 🔗

People like Gove must be reading things like this and the Spectator too. They do know Toby to some extent. I think Gove could do it. There are plenty of people with good credentials, Carl Heneghan etc, to help him. I don’t know how possible it would be to replace Boris though. I don’t have that much of an insight into the Conservative party. I think if he were brave enough to stand up to the fear and viral elimination stupidity he could turn things around and make a political name for himself.

99821 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Marie R, replying to wendy, 8, #216 of 1269 🔗

I’ve no idea how much power the Chair of the 1922 committee has but I’ve been sending Graham Brady missives for a while, along these lines:
Dear Sir Graham,

I’m sure you read the article in the Daily Telegraph about your backbenchers getting restive. I really hope so. I hope you read all the comments on the increasing number of sceptical articles in the print media. The tide is definitely turning.  One described Ferguson as having caused more deaths around the world as Pol Pot. Similarly, I get posts on my Facebook from Public Health, WHO, NHS and various other quangos operating in this mad world and the comments are eye-opening….I would say 80% sceptical, filled with derision and loathing for the bodies and the government.

They are not going to be able to keep up the charade that they reacted proportionately, when the ‘all countries’ tally comes in. I’m sure you’ve read about Peru- the harshest lockdown, now approaching the worst death toll. It’s all there in the graphs.

When parliament returns in September there will be an attempt to extend the government’s extraordinary powers for 2 years.  Can you imagine another 2 years of this mayhem? I urge you to do something about it. With the current lot in charge that surely would spell the end of the Conservative party. I used to have so much sympathy for Boris Johnson & his merry men but I’m afraid that has all evaporated.

Honestly, I would even vote for Corbyn & MacDonnell (if available ) than Tory at the moment, that’s how bad it is.

Please do something about it!

Perhaps we should all do this, and to our own MP’s, especially Tory & especially Red Wall? Sir Graham’s email address is:

99943 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ EllGee, replying to Marie R, 1, #217 of 1269 🔗

My MP is probably considered the leader of the “Red Wall” MPs. He isn’t known for answering emails but I keep trying

100022 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wendy, 1, #218 of 1269 🔗

He lacks the strength of character. He’s basically a lying buffoon.

99823 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to Julian, 7, #219 of 1269 🔗

Right now I think I would support any politician who makes a determined, outspoken stand against this, even if they were one I would never normally vote for! Even if they do so purely as a career-advancing move.

But, in the longer term, I wouldn’t trust anyone who doesn’t make a solemn promise to never do this again , except in the most extreme circumstances (e.g an Ebola-like disease as discussed above) and for the minimum time necessary.

99771 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #220 of 1269 🔗

It seems certain elements took the opportunity to try to bring the government down which is criminal in the middle of a crisis like this with people suffering. But I am as disappointed with Boris for not being able to stand up to it.

99811 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to wendy, 2, #221 of 1269 🔗

Put them in a ring and let them wrestle it out WWE style. Fun for all.

100310 ▶▶▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to richard riewer, #222 of 1269 🔗

Nah…make them all take a go on Takeshi’s Castle! winner takes all 🙂

99986 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to wendy, 1, #223 of 1269 🔗

I was a Green Party supporter, not anymore.

100021 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wendy, 1, #224 of 1269 🔗

I wouldn’t trust the Slimy Gove as far as I could throw him.
The future looks bleak, the future is ……

99779 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #225 of 1269 🔗

I’m a South-West okkard bugger from a long line (as long as I can trace – heading for the iron age) of Gloucestershire weavers, carpenters and assorted peasants (before the houses got taken over by Islington and Kensington weekenders).

A wide family that routinely and humorously took the piss out of anyone too precious, precocious or fragile and risk-averse was the best vaccination against bullshit like this.

99794 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to RickH, 1, #226 of 1269 🔗

Alan G is from Bath and he says they never used ‘okkard’ (even though he out-okkards me, frequently!) He says for them lot, Northerners start at Gloucester so maybe he’s right, for once. MW

100018 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #227 of 1269 🔗

Okkard applies in my part of Yorkshire too – mind you I’m right on the Derbyshire border.

100817 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Cheezilla, #228 of 1269 🔗

Ah, nobbut just. 🙂 MW

99742 ▶▶ wendy, replying to RickH, 21, #229 of 1269 🔗

Yes my sentiments too. What shall all we politically homeless do? I know Toby has said it is how he feels too. We are people of what would be termed left and termed the right. It doesn’t split that easily anymore. If only Boris was brave enough even now to stand up and say they did their best back in March but with more information can see it was an over reaction. There could still be a turning point and he could recover himself and the country. He has Carl Heneghan to back him.

Reading the cancer stories was heartbreaking and just the tip of iceberg of the terrible sadness and loneliness this has caused, people dying alone, people fading away in isolation. I know from my critical care anaesthetist friend that suicides are up. A week ago the M62 was closed when I was travelling East as a woman was perched worryingly on a bridge. Perhaps she driven to it by the Covid lunacy.

Just today my family learnt from my fathers care home that if he attends his eye clinic appointment in September they will make him isolate in his room for 14 days. We will cancel the appointment and seek advice as we cannot bear the thought of an elderly frail 87 year old sitting alone for 14 days. He has a ground floor room but the care home are unable to unlock the gate in the grounds so that we could support him during this isolation. It is making everyone into risk adverse dictators. All this suffering is criminal and I really feel I want someone to pay!!!

99762 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to wendy, 4, #230 of 1269 🔗

If only Boris was brave enough …”

If only Mr Toad wasn’t Mr Toad, with a record of narcissistic opportunism that has never surprised …

99770 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to wendy, 11, #231 of 1269 🔗

Read this, under “guidance” they cannot stop visits if it is against the welfare of the patient/resident. They can put restrictions in place such as masks, meeting outside, limiting numbers of visitors at one time but they cannot stop any visits:


The assessment should consider relevant factors including:

  • the health and wellbeing risks arising from the needs of the cohort of residents in that setting. This will include both whether their needs make them particularly vulnerable to COVID-19 and whether their needs make visits particularly important (for example, people with dementia, a learning disability or autistic people may be permitted visitors when restricting visitors could cause some of the residents to be distressed)
  • where the healthcare needs of the individual cannot be met by socially distant visits, whether there are sufficient infection-control measures in place to protect the residents, staff and visitors, to allow the visit to take place

The factors relevant to decisions about particular individuals or groups of residents include the following:

  • the benefits to a person’s wellbeing by having a particular visitor or visitors
  • the extent of the harm that will be experienced by the resident from a lack of visitation or whether the individual is at the end of their life

They MUST talk to you about it:

  • In making these decisions, the care provider should actively involve the resident, their relatives or friends,
  • Providers must consider the rights of residents who may lack the relevant mental capacity needed to make particular decisions and, where appropriate, their advocates or those with power of attorney should be consulted.
99825 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #232 of 1269 🔗

Thank you. You do so much to help with all the legal things. We were waiting to see what they would come up with no now it is so restrictive we can discuss it with the CCG and try to get some help. The guidelines are much more supportive of visits but as they are private owners they can hide behind we are doing it to protect the rest of the residents. Really now that I have had some experience of the care sector I think some of them are not fit to be running care homes.

99772 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to wendy, 5, #233 of 1269 🔗

What shall all we politically homeless do?” Stop voting for parties that do not represent our views, and give support to parties that do, if they emerge. Ideally you’d want a properly conservative party to emerge, and a party on the left that sincerely believed in liberty and freedom of speech, but opposed the “conservative” party in other areas of policy.

99816 ▶▶ Drawde927, replying to RickH, 3, #234 of 1269 🔗

Also enjoyed reading the article, even if my background and original political sympathies weren’t precisely identical. I can totally identify with the second-to-last paragraph.

My only comment is about the couple of “The virus could mutate” references, as far as I know if a virus like this – highly infectious and only moderately lethal – mutated naturally, it would become less lethal (possibly more infectious as well). When a virus becomes more dangerous by mutating, it’s when you have a lethal but not especially infectious (or not human-to-human transmissible) virus which becomes more infectious (as with bird flu). Apologies if I’m incorrect in my assumptions here.

What does seem to be mutating out of control is the psychological “virus” which seems to have infected so much of the world’s population (and virtually all of its leaders)!

100008 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Drawde927, 2, #235 of 1269 🔗

Yes. It’s a virus of the mind more than the body.

100110 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Drawde927, #236 of 1269 🔗

Mutation is just random. Anything that makes the virus more infectious will be selected for. Virus doesn’t care if you die because either way you’re immune but it wants you not to be too ill so you keep moving around spreading it.

Coronaviruses mutate relatively little and so far there is only evidence of one mutation that gives it an evolutionary advantage. It’s called DG814 or something (I may have the number wrong but it starts with DG). Sylvie posted a link about it the other day.

This mutation happened pretty early and made it better at entering cells which was an advantage. But it didn’t make the disease any worse.

Fear mongering about mutations is exactly that. It’s just as likely that any other common cold coronavirus would suddenly become more lethal and we never worried about that.

100002 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to RickH, 6, #238 of 1269 🔗

As an American (/Brit dual citizen), I now despair about the November American election. As a leftwing person, of course I would never vote for Trump. Despise the guy – I’ve known too many people just like him. Sorry if that ruffles your feathers – I grit my teeth at some of the right-leaning comments here, but “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” and all that, so as far as I’m concerned, we’re comrades in arms here.

But Biden and Harris are calling for a three-month nationwide mask mandate . They’ve swallowed the whole thing hook, line and sinker.

Biden also says he’d lock down country if spread of coronavirus warranted it
Obviously, I cannot vote for a candidate that thinks it’s okay to lockdown my birth country like that.

So it looks like I may not be voting this year. I don’t know if I can convey how big a deal it is for me not to be able to vote against Trump, but it seems that my birth country has gone mad.

100046 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to ConstantBees, 7, #239 of 1269 🔗

I feel for you. I’m not an American but was obsessed with US politics until the coronavirus madness descended. I hate Trump too, but Biden lost me with the mask garbage. If I were an American, I couldn’t vote for Biden on that basis alone, though I’m not sure I could vote for Trump either. I have felt politically homeless most of my life, but I’ve now become a one issue voter and my issue is FREEDOM. Having said that, I still feel politically homeless because all the parties have trampled our freedoms and are utterly power hungry. Good luck with your decision — and if it’s to not bother voting I totally get it.

100064 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #240 of 1269 🔗

Well, it certainly won’t be to vote for Trump, but it looks likely that Biden has lost my vote.

100117 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #241 of 1269 🔗

They may have mistimed that. Public opinion will turn probably rather rapidly at some point. I guess we just hope for an odd number of U-turns between now and the election.

100541 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to ConstantBees, #242 of 1269 🔗

Just start calling it the “Biden Burka”.

That normally does the trick.

100186 ▶▶ Bella, replying to RickH, #243 of 1269 🔗

I could hug you. Agree with every word

99698 Major Panic, 36, #244 of 1269 🔗

I was in Phuket a few weeks before the 2004 tsunami and I returned the following November after the tsunami to find it as I had left if, fabulous.

The effects of the tsunami to those effected were horrifying to the extreme – I had some friends who were on Phi Phi island when it hit from both sides, they survived physically but maybe not mentally. But the survivors picked themselves up, cleaned the place up, and just got on with it. Now its an unpleasant memory.

If we had no sensationalist, exaggerated, out of context, media reporting of the virus, and there had been no reaction, then I believe;
the hospitals may well have been overwhelmed as the vulnerable succumb to the bug,
many would have passed away a few weeks/months early,
those effected would have had a horrendous time for a short intense period,
herd immunity would quickly and naturally put an end to this particular nasty, and possibly increase our immune systems ability to fight the next nasty that comes along.

meanwhile; businesses would continue to do business, people would continue to go to work, children would continue be educated and tested, people would continue to receive life saving hospital care, etc,etc. probably as it was during and after the 1968 Hong Kong Flu that apparently killed over 80,000 people.

Would we have fared better during and after the covid-19 incident if we had had no public health officialdom interference?

99714 Toby Pierides, replying to Toby Pierides, 4, #245 of 1269 🔗


Just when you thought it was safe to come out from behind the sofa. Ner-na. Ner-na. Ner-na, ner-na, ner-na, ner-na…Dives into a vat of santiser…

99716 ▶▶ Toby Pierides, replying to Toby Pierides, #246 of 1269 🔗

Sanitiser even…

100034 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Toby Pierides, 4, #247 of 1269 🔗

The Daily Mail has always been full of such doom-mongering nonsense. Bollox in other words.
Trouble is that its readers seem to swallow the stuff whole and without question.
Hitchens must often feel like a lone voice in the wilderness.

100037 ▶▶▶ Montag Smith, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #248 of 1269 🔗

All the tabloids are full of shit, and the “quality” newspapers are not always better.

99726 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #249 of 1269 🔗


I published this in the last edition where Baltimore group found evidence of genome deletion making it possible that C-19 is getting less virulent. I did not notice that one of the co-authors was Robert Gallo a friend of Mr Fear himself Fauci. Maybe he changes his mind now.

100038 ▶▶ Carlo, replying to swedenborg, #250 of 1269 🔗

Gallo was friends with Mr Fauci way before Bill Gates was.

99727 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 11, #251 of 1269 🔗


100683 ▶▶ petgor, replying to stefarm, #252 of 1269 🔗

I hope that there are no copyright issues here because it was so silly and so funny that I had to circulate it amongst my downhearted friends.

100742 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to petgor, #253 of 1269 🔗

Dunno, don’t suppose Viz really care. I must admit that my old Viz books have given me a much needed boost.

99730 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 18, #254 of 1269 🔗

“Coronavirus: We will see ‘real problems’ with Covid-19 this winter” chief medical officer says.


I looked to see what these ‘real problems’ were but couldn’t find any explanation.

Too few dying with Covid-19?
Collateral deaths from the health service closing down?
Medical officers and government having to face the music at last?
Mass unemployment?

99733 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Margaret, #255 of 1269 🔗

Sorry fat fingers again! Last number should read 12054756

99739 ▶▶ ScooBieDee, replying to Margaret, 1, #256 of 1269 🔗

Like I said yesterday – all these public health boffins. What an easy job when your main key performance indicator is that reality is never as bad as your prediction !!

99750 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Margaret, 1, #257 of 1269 🔗

Problems like mass unemployment and accompanying crime wave and civil disorder?

99753 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Margaret, 2, #258 of 1269 🔗

This man is a criminal. And look at who he’s in bed with (Awkward G’s post, above). MW

99737 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #259 of 1269 🔗

The left wing sceptic says:
…governments went ahead on the advice of the WHO as if this were ‘the big one’…. This is not the big one.

I find this argument a bit of a red herring. Because it suggests that the only error was the mistaking of Covid for the big one. If it had been the big one, would everything that has happened, and will happen, be ‘right’?

We can now see that even without the real ‘big one’ the response to it will never end. So the moment the plans for dealing with a pandemic were formulated, and accepted by governments internationally, a ticking time bomb was primed. All that has happened is that we have triggered it prematurely. This dystopian future was already set in stone by giving power and responsibility to monomaniacal ‘scientists’.

We might have had a few more years, but with the general progression towards a woke idiocracy already happening (thank you, Guardian-reading left), the odds are it was going to be triggered mistakenly at some point anyway.

99763 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #260 of 1269 🔗

I think if we were dealing with something as infectious and fatal as Ebola clearly you would need government to be more interventionist.

99782 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 6, #261 of 1269 🔗

There’s clearly a point where an infectious disease poses a big enough threat to warrant intervention beyond simply ramping up healthcare provision, but the bar has been set far too low.

This sounds callous maybe, but given the huge damage from the measures taken, they cannot in my view be justified even if the Ferguson prediction turned out to be true – the costs would still outweigh the benefits.

99784 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #262 of 1269 🔗

I agree that it would have needed some heavyweight response – hopefully localised. But in that case, you wouldn’t have needed to legislate – people would have locked down themselves! Sure it might be a catastrophe, but at least it would be a natural catastrophe.

Our pandemic response is a man-made catastrophe with a preset formula regardless of the virulence of the pathogen – as we have seen. This preset formula contains a logical flaw within it, meaning that the measures can never be lifted.

99968 ▶▶▶▶ ianric, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #263 of 1269 🔗

I remember in one post someone made the point if we are in the middle of a genuine pandemic and there was clear evidence of this eg large numbers dying or if they survived becoming so ill as to require hospitalization or being unable to leave the house, why would the government need to introduce draconian legislation with instructions what people can’t or can do with punishments. In a genuine pandemic people would voluntarily take precautions to avoid danger. I felt this was a good point. The fact governments have to rely on coercion is a sign we are not in a pandemic

100244 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Barney McGrew, #264 of 1269 🔗

They will be lifted. Or bust.

99833 ▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #265 of 1269 🔗

Definitely some kind of measures would be needed with a genuinely lethal disease, but I suspect in that case people would be so genuinely scared that very few people would need much persuasion to stay away from each other, avoid public places etc.

That’s part of the reason diseases like Ebola haven’t spread as much as they could, most people did everything they could to avoid places where the disease was even rumoured to be.

I definitely agree that a deadly global pandemic is one of the disaster scenarios we’ve been constantly terrified with by the media over the last couple of decades (SARS, MERS, bird flu, swine flu etc.) and it really didn’t take much effort for people to be convinced that this is finally the “big one” and hit every panic button in sight. Reading about the 2009 swine flu epidemic shows a similar bandwagon of panic and scaremongering, which soon ran out of momentum when so few people actually caught, let alone died of, the virus.

100233 ▶▶▶▶ ianric, replying to Drawde927, #266 of 1269 🔗

If there was a genuine pandemic with large numbers dying or at least falling seriously ill would governments introduce draconian legislation or would they feel it is unnecessary as people would voluntarily take precautions. When danger exists governments don’t need need to rely on coercion to make people avoid danger. For instance, drink driving is illegal and you can be prosecuted but even if drink driving was not illegal most people would have the common sense not to drink drive because it is so dangerous.

Lockdown skeptics would agree government intervention would be necessary with a dangerous disease. A major problem I see there is no threshold or criteria of disease characteristics before a lockdown can be introduced eg fatality rate, severity of symptoms, mode of transmission, infectiousness, severity of symptoms. As a result of this lockdowns can be introduced regardless of the characteristics of a disease which is a recipe for disaster. We see a nasty lockdown in Melbourne over a tiny number of cases. In addition governments can use claims to justify lockdowns without any evidence to back those claim. For instance, asymptomatic spread is used to justify lockdowns but governments don’t have to provide scientific evidence for this.

99941 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #267 of 1269 🔗

The actual plan to follow is the one Sweden is still following right now.

100242 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nick Rose, #268 of 1269 🔗

Check out the Czech Republic. Better than Sweden.

100841 ▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to richard riewer, #269 of 1269 🔗

In what way??

99745 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #270 of 1269 🔗

Please tell me what you think of this? I am really trying so hard to not thinking about the issue of mandatory vaccine but I cannot. I have a 7 year old and it was so hard to have her, she is our only one. She has been vaccinated and I am not an anti-vaxxer. That said, t I am worried about her being vaccinated with a coronavirus vaccine that has not been tested for long enough. Would you feel the same? I have also recently veered into watching more about Bill Gates and one clip struck me from the Pandemic film. I have found it here as a single clip. It’s only a couple of minutes. Please watch it and tell me what you think. It horrifies me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jYqMgyFvm0

99748 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #271 of 1269 🔗

Indeed – how will the IFR compare to the Vaccine Fatility Rate?

I also am not an anti vaxxer, have had all my jabs etc, but I don’t fancy this rushed snake oil being pumped into me.

99751 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to NappyFace, #272 of 1269 🔗

Thanks …

100053 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #273 of 1269 🔗

Please do not consent to vaccinate your daughter. Her odds of dying from Covid are virtually zero vs. the risk of the vaccine, which is orders of magnitude higher than zero. No vaccine has been proven safe — some degree of harm is baked into the cake, which is why the vaccine manufacturers in the US were given blanket liability protection in 1986 after they threatened to stop making vaccines altogether. They acknowledged then that it is impossible to make a perfectly safe vaccine. The government has paid out over $4 billion to vaccine-injured kids/families, and that just scratches the surface as it’s nearly impossible to get a hearing in vaccine court. In any risk-reward calculation, vaccinating a child against a virus which will not kill them makes no sense, but you might be signing up for a world of hurt if your child is permanently injured. Just my opinion, of course.

99754 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Country Mumkin, 17, #274 of 1269 🔗

I’ve a 9 year old daughter. These madmen will give her an untested ‘vaccine’ over my dead body. And then some.

99761 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #275 of 1269 🔗

Thanks …

99756 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #276 of 1269 🔗

I’m afraid that single sentence is meaningless without being seen in context.

99759 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to BTLnewbie, #277 of 1269 🔗

I know what you mean. Anyone know where we can get the full interview or where it is from?

99849 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #278 of 1269 🔗

Your wish is my command…


He’s making an analogy, I think – what he says doesn’t make any sense to me, even in context.

Also, interestingly – I didn’t realise genetically modified crops is another thing the Gates are involved in.

100245 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mr Dee, #279 of 1269 🔗

We would be better off finding out what B Gates is not involved in.

99757 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Country Mumkin, 15, #280 of 1269 🔗

I would not recommend anyone to have a vaccine that has been rushed through without the normal testing, especially those at minimal risk from the disease such as your daughter. I wouldn’t have it at 55 but if I was 75 I might if I had a lot of comorbidities. It’s about balancing relative risk.

I have to add, It’s very easy for everyone when we are isolated and depending on the internet – especially when surrounded by “true believers” – to spend a lot of time not only watching stuff that adds to our knowledge but disappearing down wormholes that take us into more and more weird and whacky territory. We are no more immune to this behaviour that the sheeple we mock. I would suggest a walk in the country and shunning the conspiracy websites. Let’s not be like them, frightened of vague shadows.

99766 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #281 of 1269 🔗

Thanks for your thoughts. I appreciate the addition about the wormholes. It was the bit of realism I probably needed to hear. I will go for that walk!

99776 ▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #282 of 1269 🔗

It’s the voice of experience. Coming on here cheers me up but a lot of the internet makes me more anxious and fed up! X

100468 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #283 of 1269 🔗

They are not vague shadows, they are dark shadows looming overhead.

99768 ▶▶ Will, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #284 of 1269 🔗

I am not an anti vaxxer even though it is highly likely that our daughter’s autoimmune condition went acute as a result of her Second MMR being given as a live vaccine. We all have dead versions of the flu vaccine every year for all I very much doubt how useful or necessary they are. But for all the flu vaccine is a bit of a nonsense, at least it hasn’t been rushed into production before it has been adequately tested and also the flu is a disease that actually afflicts children, unlike Covid. Our children will not be having a Covid jab and neither will we because it is completely unnecessary.

100455 ▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to Will, #285 of 1269 🔗

No anti vaxxer myself either just DON’T want a hurried vaccine.

99796 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #286 of 1269 🔗

I am worried about her being vaccinated with a coronavirus vaccine that has not been tested for long enough.”

You are absolutely sane and right. A proper testing regime requires about 3-5 years – the longer end if the vaccine is novel. Proper RCTs and analysis of long-term effects can’t be rushed.

But – above all – your daughter is not at risk from this virus. In fact, most of the population isn’t, but children especially so. It’s a generally mild infection – particularly so for younger age-groups.

I’m an old fart with other health issues, and am thus one of the susceptible – but I’m not taking any old novel vaccine chucked in my direction without proper trialling.

100060 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to RickH, 3, #287 of 1269 🔗

Paradoxically, those who are most at risk from Covid are also most at risk from the vaccine. There’s a reason they test vaccines on healthy people with no co-morbidities. There is evidence that having taken the flu vaccine last fall is linked to worse Covid outcomes, and it’s widely known that flu vaccines are linked to greater instances of non-flu, respiratory infections. Got the flu from a flu vaccine 30+ years ago and never had one since and almost never get the flu. Keep your Vitamin D levels high!

100113 ▶▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #288 of 1269 🔗

Absolutely, the trials have rigorous selection , the ones used are the healthiest humans they can find …then roll it out to the unhealthiest that it has never been trialled on. madness

100456 ▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #289 of 1269 🔗

Indeed they definitely are.

99804 ▶▶ Mrs S, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #290 of 1269 🔗

You would be insane to give an untested (as in skipped animal trials), liability free vaccine to your daughter. Or indeed have it yourself.

It’s a huge gold rush and these people have no idea what they are doing.

Please look at this short clip with Dr Peter Hotez, Director of Texas Centre for Vaccine Development. He is a vaccine enthusiast and this proposed RNA vaccine scares him. It has the capacity to do huge damage.

From 26 minutes:

99985 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #291 of 1269 🔗

We have no children, CM, but it’s as simple as this: if a stranger gave you (or your child) a handful of pills, and said “Take these, never mind what they are, you’ll be ok”, you wouldn’t would you?

100125 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #292 of 1269 🔗

She’s 7. She does not need the vaccine for about the next 60 years if then by which time we will know if it is safe. It will probably be OK but is a completely unnecessary risk and I would avoid it.

100437 ▶▶ drrobin, replying to Country Mumkin, #293 of 1269 🔗

Ditto. Similar age little one. All vaccinces taken to date. Save for flu nasal vaccine. Always said no to that. Not an anti vaxxer. My old folk were immunologists.

But this vaccine? No, nor will a test will be used. A test provides zero benefit to child nor society.

Will be removed from school if there are any suggestions a test is required. A Vaccine isn’t even going to be considered.

I’m waiting to see what work say if I’m sent off with a cold, and say I need a negative test to return. Given I’m not having a test to arm PHE’s replacement with useless stats, there will be something of an impasse with work!

Short answer, if I was you, no. I wouldn’t consider a pointless vaccine, safe or otherwise.

100467 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to drrobin, #294 of 1269 🔗

That’s the problem we face now. These people are getting really sneaky and slippery with their obsession to keep this charade intact and ongoing.

100567 ▶▶ drrobin, replying to Country Mumkin, #295 of 1269 🔗

Not watched yet, but a German doctor, Dr Sucharit Bhakdi suggesting the planned vaccination is wrong to on basis of risk/benefit analysis
Some good basic immunology slides for those who would like to explain why they are happy with some vaccines e.g. Tetanus, but not with Flu.

He also explains a little of differences between types of vaccines.

He emphasises the huge value of vaccines, but doesn’t accept the same for flu vaccines.

I haven’t read/listened to it all yet as just found it.

Original pulled on youtube already.

youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eR1j9vqKi8
bitchute: https://www.bitchute.com/video/KNn1rVtpuEML/

99746 Danny, replying to Danny, 12, #296 of 1269 🔗

Nice to see a left wing anti-lockdown perspective. Like many I have been dismayed by the way that the so called left have embraced the masking, the fines, the culture of fear perhaps even more readily than the right.
This is despite all evidence in terms of statistical likelihood and mortality rates. The left (of which I ostensibly consider myself a part in other times) have taken all evidence of economic meltdown caused by these measures, and dismissed them as capitalist insularity, as if poverty and job loss does not affect the poor.
They usually take very seriously the education and psychological rights of children, but now are happy to close schools and muzzle children. Any mention of mental health damage and you are ironically called a snowflake in all but name.
Basically the left seems to be ok with all measures, no matter how awful, simply because they agree with the cause.

99899 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Danny, 8, #297 of 1269 🔗

I think most on the left and the right, as well as the vague centre, have swallowed the rhetoric whole. Some may be motivated politically, but I think the main motivation is emotional: they are frightened. And I’m not saying that to mock, most people are frightened of these things. Then follows relief when you realise things aren’t so bad after all, then embarrassment, then the arse-covering.

100023 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Danny, 3, #298 of 1269 🔗

While I’m also left wing, I have to echo the idea that it is not simply the left that is “ok with all measures”. More than half the population seems to accept these measures and more than half of the population are not card-carrying members of the left. The hostile and angry coronaphobes I’m aware of come from all political persuasions.

I don’t think there is a correlation between politics and coronaphobia, just like there isn’t a correlation between scepticism and politics.

100072 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to ConstantBees, 5, #299 of 1269 🔗

It’s not so black and white for sure, but there is a correlation between being on the left and compliance with Covid measures. I’ve seen stats in the US that show Dems are far more compliant with masking, distancing, etc. than independents and Repubs. I think it’s generally the case that people on the left are more trusting of government than those on the right, but of course there is plenty of crossover with respect to Covid. Fear seems to be a driver and fear knows no political party. I think many on the right might be fearful of the virus but are more fearful of the creeping totalitarianism. I’ve always been left on social issues (not to the point of embracing woke-sim) and slightly right on economic issues. I’ve now become much more “right” simply on the basis of protecting rights and freedoms. Makes for strange bedfellows…

100340 ▶▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 3, #300 of 1269 🔗

Am a Brit with a couple of friends & people I know in the US (generally moderates, a couple formerly strong Democrat but swayed significantly away recent years) and agree with the sentiment of your post & the stats. I’m not so sure it’s to do with trust in Government/authority though, I would say it’s the mainstream media. Back in the 60’s & 70’s true liberals absolutely cut their teeth on challenging authority and holding the press to account – Vietnam War, Watergate, yada yada. Today’s world it appears different. My personal experience; say to someone on the left you seek out different views and challenge what you hear on CNN – good gracious. I’ve had vicious online assaults, social media attacks — from people I considered at least good acquaintances, if not outright friends.

100556 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Not Tiger Woods, #301 of 1269 🔗

My view is that it is fairly straightforward: the left of the mid-C20th were rebelling against the establishment. Now they are the establishment.

This is most apparent in the change in views on freedom of speech. In the mid-C20th those on the left were mostly fanatically in favour of freedom of speech. Stalinists aside (and even them, sometimes, for tactical reasons) they all quoted Voltaire’s claimed dictum as supposedly representing their views (whether or not he actually said it): ” I may hate what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it”. Over the past 30 years or so that shifted to the modern anti-free speech stance on the left, represented by the constructed pretext of “hate speech” and cancel culture.

Once they realised that they now have the power, and need not fear their own views being suppressed by authority, they started to look for ways to use authority to suppress opinions they hate.

99752 Emma, replying to Emma, 10, #302 of 1269 🔗

Quite a few doctors and NHS employees comment on here. Generally the message is ‘oh it’s too risky to speak out, what about my career, there’s no whistleblower protection’ etc etc. Really like to hear some comment from them today about the above cancer stories.

99775 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Emma, 3, #303 of 1269 🔗
99788 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #304 of 1269 🔗

Problem, Okkard Git 🙂 – it doesn’t actually work very well in reality when push comes to shove.

99799 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to RickH, 7, #305 of 1269 🔗

Depends on how well you can handle the pressure you will be put under, can handle the unspoken threats and so on.

Are you willing to risk everything you have including reputation, money, family, friends, possessions to stand up for what you know is right or not is the problem.

How many are really willing to put everything on the line?

The protection is there, the question is can the whistleblower stand up for their rights and convictions in the face of immense pressure from the authorities.

That is the main question/problem/issue.

I stood up for what was right against one of the world’s biggest commodities trading companies 10 years ago – no whistleblowing protection in that situation – but wife agreed I was to do what was right and would back me. Took 2 years, was fully vindicated, they backed down, apologised and so on. No monetary recompense, only the pride and satisfaction of knowing I did the right thing.

So I know what I’m talking about for once.

99809 ▶▶▶▶▶ Emma, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #306 of 1269 🔗

If those who are horrified by what has happened banded together and acted collectively it would be a lot more difficult to single anyone out for the kind of pressure you describe. But it seems no-one is prepared to go out on a limb, despite these horror stories. The writer above is correct, it is cowardly.

100247 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Emma, #307 of 1269 🔗

Everybody switch off their smartphones at the same time at the rally next Saturday, August 29, 2020.

99824 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #308 of 1269 🔗

I’m not essentially disagreeing with you – but this has been a particular global brainwashing operation that has been different to the experience which you relate. The totality of the pressure is exceptional.

99894 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 8, #309 of 1269 🔗

It really is exceptional. I’ve come almost to blows with some people over it, and this is just peer pressure, not employer pressure. The totality of the thing is incredible.

100028 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to richard riewer, #311 of 1269 🔗

Could I respectfully ask about the relevance of this article to the topic at hand. I searched it briefly and could find nothing about the virus or lockdowns or other such measures.

100249 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to ConstantBees, #312 of 1269 🔗

It’s the same fearmongering crap. Worried about something that might happen in 80 years. PM Justin Trudeau is just as intransigent and stupid as PM Boris Johnson. I live here and I can’t take it any more. Just ask Lisa from Toronto.

99769 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 13, #313 of 1269 🔗

Was thinking of taking a trip to Whitby, on the North Yorkshire Moors Railway next week, however having a looked on the railways Twitter feed did not impress:

Great one way system
Plenty of hand sanitiser
Staggered seating

Just what I want more madness, why would I want to spend £76 (2 adults, 2 dogs) on a less than pleasant day out?

As the railway retweeted this post they obviously want bedwetters as customers so we shall stay away, our LS pound notes are not wanted.

The museum sector is killing itself.

Think I will drive to Whitby instead and have a nice day out with only a few extra miles of driving.

99795 ▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth WillyWanks the 4th, replying to Dave #KBF, #314 of 1269 🔗

Hi Dave, how do you add a screenshot?!

99807 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Lord Rickmansworth WillyWanks the 4th, 1, #315 of 1269 🔗

Hi Lord Rick

On the attached image I have highlighted in red the icon used to attach an image.

99860 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Dave #KBF, #316 of 1269 🔗

and you also need to be logged in.. Whilst you can post without being logged in the attach image icon doesnt appear… i just realised this!

99798 ▶▶ Drawde927, replying to Dave #KBF, 11, #317 of 1269 🔗

Also a steam railway fan and have no plans to visit anything like this until society has regained its sanity! It’s not just a matter of principle, more that what should be an enjoyable experience is made depressing and soul-destroying by the insistence on “hygiene theatre” and presumably mask-wearing.
Earlier in the lockdown I actually donated money to several heritage railways (and other places like museums) which I’d originally planned to visit this year. Now I’m so ****ed off with the whole farcical situation that I have no intention of giving any organisation or cause my money until they’re prepared to take a stand against this!

99828 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Drawde927, 7, #318 of 1269 🔗

I need to get some works drawings from the NRM at York, unfortunately the research facilities are still closed, with no date set for this area of the museum to reopen.

Another preserved railway where I have been taking photographs and measurements from a prototype vehicle to allow me to make a scale model, is unable to allow me to visit, and have no idea when I will be able to visit.

How did we get here, and more to the point how are we going to get out.

99831 ▶▶▶▶ David, replying to Dave #KBF, #319 of 1269 🔗

Hi Dave, just out of interest, which vehicle?

Apologies to all none railway minded sceptics!

100120 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to David, 1, #320 of 1269 🔗

Hi NeilC do not know if you will see this, I have been going to GCR Nottingham to measure a Shark brake ballast plough and I need some diesel drawings from York.

100165 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Dave #KBF, #321 of 1269 🔗

I thought GCR Nottm are about to re-open / or have re-opened. My nephew was there yesterday, helping with the model railways, although that could have been without the public! GCR Loughborough are running trains again, definitely.

99846 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #322 of 1269 🔗

I wish I could answer your last question(s).

With an incidence of infection of 1 in 2,200 – and realistically much lower – the closure of facilities is ludicrous – and was even when infection was higher.

I know that the Railway Museum is operating entrance restrictions for the general public – again – pointless, but the idea that allowing research is hazardous is barmy. Unfortunately, it seems normalized.

99801 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Dave #KBF, 5, #323 of 1269 🔗

I wonder what the statistical risks are of developing an illness from breathing in steam train smoke/soot, versus catching a serious illness from the dreaded Covid.

99813 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #324 of 1269 🔗

Indeed, why do they not simply offer bedwetter vs LS coaches, where people who are able to assess the risk can travel with some level of normality.

Do not look out of the window you may get smuts in your eye.

100312 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dave #KBF, #325 of 1269 🔗

Good idea. They could label them as “old normal” and “new normal” coaches. Then everyone could travel. I know which would be the more popular ….

99843 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Dave #KBF, 10, #326 of 1269 🔗

They do these things and it puts people like us off. We are the people who will mostly go out and about as we are not afraid. Catering to the afraid will end up with businesses etc going down the pan

99971 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to wendy, 5, #327 of 1269 🔗

On a similar note, looked at a Pub restaurant website earlier, fancying a bit of dinner, but this put paid to it (my emphasis):

  • Hand sanitising stations which you must use as you enter and leave the restaurant.
  • Seating arrangements to ensure a safe distance is kept between customers.
  • Table service only – you will be shown to your table and must remain there , staff will take all food and drinks orders, and bring them to your table. You will not be allowed to sit at the bar.
  • We will require details (name, phone number and number of guests) of a member of your group to fulfil track and trace requirements as you enter the restaurant.

Plenty of “must’s”, “will’s” and “you’s” in there! Presumably, each table is assigned its own uniformed stormtrooper. Went to a Wethy’s instead – they’re getting a bit keener on T&T, but we managed to avoid it.

99878 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Dave #KBF, #328 of 1269 🔗

And no doubt face nappies

99963 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #329 of 1269 🔗

DD, we’ve fancied that in the past, but been put off by the cost, never mind the current ball ache. What is fun is driving up the A169 and nipping off to each of the train stops by car/foot. Lockton and Levisham are worth a look (walk through to Levisham), then Goathland (‘Heartbeat’ country) and maybe Grosmont (not as much there). Beck Hole along the way, too, then on you go to Whitby. You’ve got scenery, pubs, villages, the train passing and all that. A good day out.

100057 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #330 of 1269 🔗

My daughter bought me a voucher for two all day tickets on the Great Central Railway,I had planned to use them in the Spring.I can’t see me ever using them now,the GCR appears to have lost the plot big time,this is from their website,

  • Pre-booking online is essential for these trains.
  • Trains depart from Quorn & Woodhouse only .
  • We will be using compartment coaches.
  • Each order will be allocated a single compartment for their group.
  • All passengers in each compartment must be from the same family group or support “bubble”.
  • Face coverings must be worn on the station platforms and when boarding the train. Face covering may be removed when seated within private compartment (please note that this may change depending on government advice at the time).
  • The station platform will not be open, except for passengers with valid tickets when boarding and alighting.
  • An efficient queuing system has been arranged for boarding the train to preserve social distancing

To top it all they are only running trains at the weekend and then only three services on each day.
As you say Dave,they are committing commercial suicide,it’s a cheek that all of the heritage railways are bleating they are running out of money and asking for donations when they feel this is a good way to treat their supporters.

100155 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #331 of 1269 🔗

Sounds like a rather depressing holiday. No thanks.

99780 Yawnyaman, 8, #332 of 1269 🔗

Latest NHS England figures show hospital deaths still at 0 for the 19th. 5 since. 1 reported today but without positive test.

99797 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #333 of 1269 🔗

Regarding the withdrawal of treatments from the NHS, does anyone know if they can be sued for say, corporate manslaughter?

99842 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #334 of 1269 🔗

They can but not for this as it will come under the Coronavirus Act

99881 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #335 of 1269 🔗

If Dolan wins his case in September regarding the legality of the government’s response, then I have the feeling that the floodgates will open as angry bereaved relatives bring their cases before the courts.

This could get very expensive for the government.

99906 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #336 of 1269 🔗

Hope he does and hope they do and hope it is.

99907 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #337 of 1269 🔗

I am sure the “no win no fee” solicitors are already looking at the possibilities for gaining some fees for this type of work.

99803 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 33, #338 of 1269 🔗

Reply from Councillor Durant:

Thank you for your messages of support. I’ve had many letters published in my local paper (Romford Recorder) on the subject of lockdown and sent many messages to all councillors and senior officers too. It seems my message to a lobby group has incited a media response, which I welcome. Fortunately I’m elected as an Independent, a rare thing in London, and allowed to be a dissenting voice. The tide will turn when the proverbial hits the fan at the end of furlough in October, and it won’t be nice as the entire political establishment falls into disrepute for its almost unanimous support for the ‘mad’ lockdown. A Dr John Lee and Peter Hitchin’s blog have been lone voices in the mainstream media, see links. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8597815/Britains-gone-lockdown-la-la-land-says-DR-JOHN-LEE.html & https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/

99822 ▶▶ hotrod, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #339 of 1269 🔗

Good work Agent Awkward!

99827 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #340 of 1269 🔗


99841 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #341 of 1269 🔗

Very well done. That councillor needs a medal

99873 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #342 of 1269 🔗

I’m glad at least one political figure, somewhere, understands that the issue here is the lockdown . And every political party represented in Parliament is complicit, even if only by silence, in the fact that we have one at all. Not a single MP stood to question or condemn its implementation . A plague (we all know which one) on all their houses.

Awkward Git, thank God for people like you, prepared to dig and dig and dig. More power to your elbow!

100255 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nick Rose, #343 of 1269 🔗

And his metacarpal.

99806 Gtec, replying to Gtec, 61, #344 of 1269 🔗

What I am finding the most depressing aspect of this pandemonium is that all sense of reason seems to have disappeared without a trace amongst anyone responsible for this mess, from the government itself, to the NHS, to local authorities, and so on ad nauseam.

The inhumanity of so many of the provisions, the face mask, being the most obvious, and inhumane treatment of people in so many ways is abhorrent, and yet it continues on a daily basis, with no sign of ending.

Indeed, we are being softened up for another lockdown, if the hints being dropped by the media on a regular basis are true; second-wave, here we come.

Just for how long will so many of our elder fellow citizens be locked away from family and friends, to deteriorate, to die alone, unloved, surrounded by masked and gloved ghouls?

How many more will it take for someone to realise that this inhumane treatment of so many is worse than the risk of their dying in the twilight of their lives?

Denied seeing their wives, husbands, sons and daughters, grandchildren, friends. Who is to hold their hand?

We did not, and we aren’t ‘saving’ our elder citizens, we have actively murdered them, and continue to ‘torture’ those locked up, isolated, in ‘care’ homes – a misnomer if ever there was one. Do we still have habeas corpus? It, like any sign of reason, seems to have gone missing too.

As for the NHS, what were we supposed to be saving for if it wasn’t to retain a functioning health service? The appalling and often heart-rending stories of lives ended, treatment denied, and pain and suffering unnecessarily inflicted and endured is a national scandal.

The only clapping we should hear is when the whole rotten edifice is abolished, together with the cowardly medics who seem to like to be pretend doctors. Tip, if you don’t want to work with people who might have infectious diseases, don’t get a job or career in medicine! Perhaps we need to train career advisors better.

I am absolutely livid at what has happened and at the continuing denial of ordinary, everyday life to us all. And for what?

So that we can be Covid-free? We cannot, we will not, ever, be able to outwit nature, and our efforts to thwart this not particularly threatening virus is doomed to fail. Like to trying to find a vaccine for the common cold, another corona virus.

We as a species are equipped to adapt and deal with new pathogens all the time. That’s why we have an immune system after all!

What we can do, and should have done, is to advise those most vulnerable, given them support and treatment as required, and looked after them as best we could.

Not lock them way. Together so as to spread the disease better. Amongst the most vulnerable.

One didn’t need to be an epidemiologist to look at the original predictions made to see that they were fanciful in the extreme. Looking at the projected death rate in the UK would seem to suggest we would have to been biologically different to everyone else on the planet, as no where near that number had died anywhere else!

Didn’t anyone, anyone at all, ask to see any evidence before we were all placed under house arrest, including the economy, and the old sacrificed?

Actually, I’m not livid, I’m angry, and to coin a phrase, ‘as mad as hell’; how to fight back is another matter.

I’m not sure why I have posted this as it won’t change a thing, but one lives in hope, sometimes.

As for a musical suggestion, what always comes to mind as I walk maskless around the shops and looking at the beguiled in their masks is the “All we like sheep” chorus part from Handel’s ‘Messiah’; it just seems so apt.

99818 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Gtec, 10, #345 of 1269 🔗

“You don’t need a weatherman to tell which way the wind blows”

Bob Dylan

100174 ▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to Cecil B, 1, #346 of 1269 🔗

Another Bob Dylan line came to mind today from Masters of War:
“You that hide behind walls, you that hide behind desks, I just want you to know I can see through your masks.”

99820 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Gtec, 18, #347 of 1269 🔗

Feel the same about all you said. I won’t have another lockdown, didn’t take any notice of the first and was out and about when the streets and beach was deserted, almost, a few of us acknowledging each other’s free spirit. We must just keep on doing what we have to do.

99838 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Dan Clarke, 13, #348 of 1269 🔗

I agree there won’t be another lock down as most people won’t do it. And they authorities won’t be able to do anything about it if vast numbers won’t do it

99836 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Gtec, 13, #349 of 1269 🔗

Thank you for posting it Gtec. Because it does matter and it does change things. It makes me feel less alone and that there are others out there struggling like me and that gives courage to keep battling for personal reasons and for the sake of our country. If only Boris were to read today’s post by Toby and some of the comments here today perhaps he would be braver.

99848 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to wendy, 12, #350 of 1269 🔗

Boris is a waste of oxygen if you’re waiting for him to see sense you’ll be waiting a very long time indeed. I think the virus cooked his brain, that’s if he actually did catch it and it wasn’t just part of their plan to get us to comply after their appalling breach of our civil rights.

99953 ▶▶▶ Gtec, replying to wendy, 3, #351 of 1269 🔗

Thanks for your kind words, and to the others below, all much appreciated.

99869 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Gtec, 3, #352 of 1269 🔗

I’m glad you did post this Gtec. We are with you.

99883 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Gtec, 4, #353 of 1269 🔗

Gtec you speak for many of us, posting here does help, because others know they are not alone.

99919 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to Gtec, 6, #354 of 1269 🔗

I am feeling just like you. It is such inhumane treatment of old and young, everyone.
So last Saturday I called my friend who is a GP and I broke down. I said I was angry and upset and told her why.
All she said “Oh, it is hard, we just need to live through this”. I felt like she really lacked empathy.
Then she started talking about the second wave. I replied that there was no evidence for the second wave.

100161 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Gtec, 2, #355 of 1269 🔗

Gtec, well said and eloquently put. I get the feeling that the reckoning will come – the government has shown that its unable and unwilling to stop the tsunami of job losses and bankruptcies. Add in the growing list of people developing mental health issues as well as long list of people waiting for treatments for cancer, stroke, heart diseases, etc and a whole host of problems. But are the government listening? Noooooo…..they’re still fixated on this virus that’s on the retreat.

Boris and co should be very afraid now. The volcano is about to erupt, its now a question of when not if.

99810 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #356 of 1269 🔗

I am not anti vaccination. However, I will not be having this muck pumped in to my veins any time soon

I’m very pro vaccination for other people.

99865 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, 6, #357 of 1269 🔗

I’m very pro-vaccination, provided it has gone through all the proper procedures, trials and tests. After all, these controls are there for our safety?

99812 AN other lockdown sceptic, 5, #358 of 1269 🔗

Toby’s interview with Yoram Hazony is excellent. Hazony is a very clever fella, as is our Toby.

99815 Lord Rickmansworth WillyWanks the 4th, #359 of 1269 🔗

Upbeat and silly. I’ll probably change the name. You can email suggestions to bedwetterspodcast@gmail.com HERE’S THE LATEST EPISODE 👉 https://open.spotify.com/show/4TvMounXNnJPuycMbn3kj7?si=x1v6kQJMRQaKYK_wc10gwg

99826 Hester, 4, #360 of 1269 🔗

Excellent letter Guardian reading woman could not more heartily agree

99830 Cheezilla, 7, #361 of 1269 🔗

Having just finished dearing the excellent Henehgan article, I spotted this headline below it:

Coronavirus symptoms UK: Three main issues in the tummy warning of COVID-19 infection
In the tummy ?!
And we thought the government treats us like 5 year-olds!

99832 snippet, replying to snippet, 13, #362 of 1269 🔗

Using Carl Heneghan’s upper IFR estimate of 0.49% (1) and the Gomes et al upper herd immunity threshold (HIT) of 20% (2), the final UK death toll should be about 65,000. Given that there have been 51,935 + 4,213 + 859 = 57,007 deaths involving COVID-19 up to 7 August (3, 4, 5), we’re about 88% through the pandemic.

Compare with the Cambridge upper IFR estimate of 1.8% from 6 August 2020 (6), which is an input to SAGE via SPI-M, and Ferguson’s 16 March upper HIT of 60% (7) and you get a final death toll of 720,000, or 8% through the pandemic.

Unfortunately, the UK government believes the latter and does not seem equipped to question it or seek the diversity of scientific opinion that exists on the matter.

All my hopes rest on Sweden. Come spring next year, if Sweden is living in blissful normality without a disastrous winter of COVID-19, everyone else is going to look rather silly.

(1) https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/estimating-the-infection-fatality-ratio-in-england/

(2) https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.23.20160762v1

(3) https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

(4) https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/statistics-and-data/statistics/statistics-by-theme/vital-events/general-publications/weekly-and-monthly-data-on-births-and-deaths/deaths-involving-coronavirus-covid-19-in-scotland

(5) https://www.nisra.gov.uk/publications/weekly-deaths

(6) https://www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk/now-casting/report-on-nowcasting-and-forecasting-6th-august-2020/

(7) https://www.nicholaslewis.org/why-herd-immunity-to-covid-19-is-reached-much-earlier-than-thought/

99864 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to snippet, 8, #363 of 1269 🔗

All my hopes rest on Sweden. Come spring next year, if Sweden is living in blissful normality without a disastrous winter of COVID-19, everyone else is going to look rather silly.

Hopefully Sweden won’t inflate their own figures, either.

99885 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #364 of 1269 🔗

They will come under enormous pressure from most of the rich world to fall into line

I think a lot will depend on the US election outcome

If Trump wins, he MIGHT be a bit more sceptical and put the weight of the US behind getting back to normal. If Biden wins, it’s likely to be the opposite

100045 ▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to Julian, 2, #365 of 1269 🔗

Yeah Biden looks like going full on into the agenda.

99835 Marie R, replying to Marie R, 22, #366 of 1269 🔗

Just went into 3 shops, maskless, for the first time, as my 20 & 27 year olds have been doing from the outset. Quiet, of course, but it was fine (I am a natural conformist). Just looked pityingly at all the masked around me. Nice lady on way into M&S asked if I had one, I said (to my shame) “no, I’ve had a bronchial infection due to mask wearing & I won’t be wearing one again” & sailed in. A keen mask wearer friend has had such an infection. That’s it. Not wearing one again.
On the subject of Saturday’s march, I thought a good chant might be “NEIL FERGUSSON: POL POT!!”. If you hear me yell it, join in!

99863 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Marie R, 6, #367 of 1269 🔗

Good on you, they first few times are the worst, but as you have already been confronted it can only get easier.

99904 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Dave #KBF, 7, #368 of 1269 🔗

Yes well done. I am like you Marie and avoiding shops as much as possible but I have gone maskless into 4 places now and it felt very good. I did feel like some other people have posted on here that the staff respond nicely to maskless people. Perhaps it is because they cannot have a proper conversation or just an acknowledgement from masked customers and it must make their jobs long and lonely. We all need human encouragement and engagement.

100162 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wendy, 2, #369 of 1269 🔗

Or it’s because they’ve been instructed not to challenge us in case we have psychiatric problems and kick off!

100236 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #370 of 1269 🔗

So we kick off.

100166 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Marie R, 4, #371 of 1269 🔗

I used the bus today and I noticed that the bus driver smiled and greeted me with a cheery “good afternoon”. He didn’t really do that with passengers who were muzzled. Makes me wonder if the driver was a closet sceptic or is someone fed up with seeing faceless zombies day in day out.

100234 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #372 of 1269 🔗

Ugh, ugh, who wouldn’t be nauseated by an endless stream of faceless zombies?
The sight of just one, here in Wales where gob nappies are optional (except on public transport!), makes me sick.

100280 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, 2, #373 of 1269 🔗

I think the Johnson government is enjoying all this zombie nonsense.

100294 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, #374 of 1269 🔗

I do feel depressed seeing faceless zombies where I work. Conversation with them becomes very stilted and fake.

I’m always reminded of what Jack Straw said about the niqab – its a barrier to communication. Ditto with muzzles.

100291 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #375 of 1269 🔗

If people resent wearing the face nappies, they’re likely to glower at the driver, or avoid eye contact altogether. Pretty crap for the poor driver all day!

I’m coming to the conclusion that smiles are a very powerful everyday weapon.

100299 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheezilla, #376 of 1269 🔗

Agree. I did notice that the bus driver did smile at Mr Bart (who was unwillingly wearing his muzzle) but with me, I got both a smile and a cheery greeting.

There was a woman behind me who was muzzled and I noticed that the bus driver just grunted as she touched in her card.

Hence why I thought the bus driver is a closet sceptic.

100275 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Marie R, #377 of 1269 🔗

If Ferguson had been in charge of Enigma Britain might have lost their battle with Nazi intelligence.

100278 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #378 of 1269 🔗

Oops wrong way around. If Ferguson had been in charge of decoding Enigma Britain might have lost their battle with Nazi intelligence.

100466 ▶▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to richard riewer, 2, #379 of 1269 🔗

I don’t think he would have been intelligent enough to work on Enigma.

99837 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #380 of 1269 🔗

Has anyone heard/read one of the doom merchants explaining their reasoning for the belief that the virus du jour is here and fatal forever when that wasn’t true for SARS, HK flu etc? Grateful for any light cast on this because I’ve somehow missed it.

99852 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #381 of 1269 🔗

Not seen anything of the sort

99853 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #382 of 1269 🔗

I don’t have a link Charlie but I think it is seen as going to be around as it is more like the coronavirus that cause common cold and with lots of asymptomatic infection which means it is likely to settle into being a seasonal virus. It seems with SARS and MERS they had a higher mortality rate and less asymptomatic mild illness. Perhaps Carl Heneghan has written about it on the CEBM blog. I know he believes it will become endemic/a circulating virus. I don’t think he means it to be a verdict of doom just for us to stop the destruction and fear and accept it is a virus like all viruses before it that we are now used to. Hope that helps.

99854 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to wendy, 3, #383 of 1269 🔗

Sorry need to add they don’t think it will be fatal, for most, they think it will get milder over time. I think this view is taken because it is mostly affecting older and ill people seriously and not the whole of the population

99858 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to wendy, 1, #384 of 1269 🔗

Thanks, Wendy. Definitely helpful. I’m sure Heneghan isn’t going for a negative spin, but I have heard others make the worst-case assertion without explanation. Much appreciated!

99901 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Charlie Blue, #385 of 1269 🔗

Well as we know there are plenty of folks who will spin anything in the negative for various reasons. Some seem to want to back up the NZ type of elimination cause, others for politicking etc

99875 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to wendy, 2, #386 of 1269 🔗

There was an article on here the other day; the virus has “attenuated”.

99900 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #387 of 1269 🔗

Yes. I think that is what happens to those viruses that stick around and we live with. Some how we have lost sight that viruses are a normal part of the world and we evolved an immune system because we encountered lots of them throughout our evolution. Everything has viruses – all plants and animals.

I was thinking about how Carl Heneghan and his team have written up their research. They have been very careful not to apportion blame and not to score political points in any direction. Though they must have opinions. They have presented tight well backed up research arguments that seem to be having a good effect. People from any position can look at their work without becoming defensive. I am sure this is deliberate and is has worked. Carl is a practicing doctor and he has done so much to help people and I guess that is because he can see the suffering and damage.

99945 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to wendy, 1, #388 of 1269 🔗

Yep. Shame on the scientists that make others tread on eggshells. Has there been any prominent geek that has shown any humility? I know Whitty is slowly shuffling backwards but that kind on snakiness doesn’t count.

100694 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to wendy, #389 of 1269 🔗

He did say on the radio that the BBC had been ” scaremongering” to that one with the glasses. Whose lame reply was “must do better”!

99912 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #390 of 1269 🔗

Given that the Birmingham Nightingdale Hospital has recently been dismantled I can’t imagine the powers that be think there will be a significant resurgence of the virus!

100135 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to DocRC, #391 of 1269 🔗

I am not watching or reading MSM, but was this in the news? Or did they do it very quietly?

99947 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #392 of 1269 🔗

I’ve heard it said in the DT that the virus is here to stay, I responded what like influenza and the common cold?

100355 ▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Bella Donna, #393 of 1269 🔗

…& James Corden 🙂

99839 Drawde927, replying to Drawde927, 5, #394 of 1269 🔗

The New Zealand article on the Telegraph site is good, but there are some slightly alarming pro-lockdown and anti-Swedish comments, including a long diatribe from “Notre Dame” accusing Sweden of “senicide”. Not what I’d expect on the Telegraph.

I don’t usually spend any time reading comments (except here) but usually check the top page briefly on articles like this to get a feeling for the general mood of the readers!

99856 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Drawde927, 2, #395 of 1269 🔗

I’ve read comments from Norte Dame before. An odd person!!

100154 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wendy, #396 of 1269 🔗

There are some serious whackjobs BTL in the DT.

99868 ▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Drawde927, 4, #397 of 1269 🔗

I ignore ‘Notre Dame’ he’s been writing utter twaddle since March 2020, many commentators on there say he’s from the 77th, some of those comments are quite funny!

100041 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Drawde927, #398 of 1269 🔗


99847 swedenborg, 6, #399 of 1269 🔗



After publishing the first very illustrative graph of pandemics in the US compared to C-19 this second link gives a table comparing influenza death per 100000 population per month. Striking how similar C-19 seem to be like Asiatic flu and I think death numbers adjusted to population change might come out the same. But the extra ordinary thing is that even seasonal flu can be even more deadly than pandemic flu. During the World War 2 in the US higher mortality but I suppose there were other priorities at that time

99850 tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 14, #400 of 1269 🔗

I was sent this picture , absolutely speechless Government’s around the world and the WHO along with MSM and anyone who thinks it’s ok to harass people for not wearing masks should hang their heads in shame

99855 ▶▶ wendy, replying to tonyspurs, 12, #401 of 1269 🔗

Very very horrible.

99857 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to tonyspurs, 17, #402 of 1269 🔗

That’s fucked up

99884 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to tonyspurs, 7, #403 of 1269 🔗

I’m in tears. What is that mother thinking of.

99913 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to bluemoon, 7, #404 of 1269 🔗

Looks like the dad with one of those baby harnesses.Says it all really.

99959 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #405 of 1269 🔗

You’re right. So proud mum takes the photo.

99940 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to tonyspurs, 7, #406 of 1269 🔗

WTF he might as well throttle it! I can’t bear it, some people are just too stupid !

99962 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #407 of 1269 🔗

Mentally ill. MW

100151 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #408 of 1269 🔗

Very Stupid Dad impedes his baby’s neurological and intellectual development.

100153 ▶▶ annie, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #409 of 1269 🔗

My God. My God.

100238 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to annie, 1, #410 of 1269 🔗

PS.I think this week’s Covid Stupid Award is already in the bag.

100167 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #411 of 1269 🔗

Child abuse.

Down with this sort of thing!

99851 richard riewer, 10, #412 of 1269 🔗

Bill Gates=Dr. Strangelove.

99859 richard riewer, #413 of 1269 🔗

June 29 2020 Delingpole Simon Dolan

99866 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #414 of 1269 🔗

Check out this article from last week about the Czech Republic:

As of Aug. 16, there were 20,012 cases in the country of 10.7 million, with 121 new cases found on Sunday, the Health Ministry data showed on Monday.
Of the total number of cases identified since the outbreak in March, 13,799 have recovered, while 397 people have died in connection with the COVID-19 illness.


99994 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to richard riewer, 2, #415 of 1269 🔗

I’m hoping CZ will hold out from going back to mask madness. The tail tried to wag the dog there last week when the authorities announced that muzzles would be extended to many more places (including shops and restaurants) from 1st September until Spring! Unfortunately they didn’t run it past the PM and he reversed it all a few days later. Link

I’m sure CZ will start appearing on quarantine lists soon, Slovakia has already advised it’s citizens against visiting Prague (just advice for now I believe).

99872 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 3, #416 of 1269 🔗

It looks like the Anglo-Saxon countries have fared the worst. Bloody Hell!

99876 ▶▶ RickH, replying to richard riewer, #417 of 1269 🔗

What are the ‘Anglo-Saxon’ countries?

99892 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 5, #418 of 1269 🔗

I should really let richard riewer answer you, but in case he doesn’t I took it to mean the UK, US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand – obviously those countries are no longer necessarily predominantly Anglo-Saxon, but they all shared a common origin in their laws and to some extent system of government, and culture.

99898 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Julian, 2, #419 of 1269 🔗

The Five Eyes

99910 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 4, #420 of 1269 🔗

All those countries who are closely controlled by the American secret state.No surprise there then and gives a clue to the origin of the oppression

99933 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 4, #421 of 1269 🔗

I don’t believe for a second that Rick H doesn’t know what Anglo-Saxon means or which countries the term usually refers to.

99999 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, 2, #422 of 1269 🔗

I don’t believe in the perpetuation of racial myths bred in simple minds – it’s as simple as that.

For example – anyone who thinks that the US or Australia are ‘anglo-saxon’ countries in any meaningful sense is living in a fantasy world.

… and the UK has a pretty mixed, mongrel heritage.

… I’m glad to say.

100036 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 2, #423 of 1269 🔗

That’s what I assumed – a concern for dogmatic ideological purity on your part, not an honest question.

100285 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, #424 of 1269 🔗

Those are the ones that I had in mind.

100286 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, #425 of 1269 🔗

Commonwealth countries, part of the Queen’s bounty.

99983 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to RickH, 2, #426 of 1269 🔗

are there still any countries that are “anglo- saxon”?

99879 ▶▶ Julian, replying to richard riewer, 3, #427 of 1269 🔗

What is more worrying to me is that some have fared the worst in terms of the restriction of liberty and the lack of scrutiny or protest from public, media and courts

99877 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #428 of 1269 🔗


“This preprint study reports that immune cells (monocytes, CD4 + T cells, CD8+ T cells and B cells) are susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 infection. This was observed by in vitro infection of immune cells and by ex vivo detection of SARS-CoV-2 in peripheral blood mononuclear cells from patients with severe COVID-19.”.

This probably not unique to C-19 virus and occur in very rare and severe cases. But be sure this is going to be used in some form in Project Fear.

100394 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, #429 of 1269 🔗

Interesting thanks! They seemed to find some evidence of monocyte infection in 53% of severe cases. They couldn’t find any T-cell infection except in vitro.

Balloux is already defusing this one:


The most common cause of temporary lymphocytopenia is a recent infection, such as the common cold .”

This is often one of the first things to look at when fact-checking C19 hysteria– find out if it’s any different to or more severe than what other coronaviruses do. It’s an interesting paper of course and not itself hysterical but people are already jumping on it as you predicted.

100569 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to guy153, #430 of 1269 🔗

Some of the criticism of Balloux on Twitter is justified. The wiki is just reporting that you get low white blood cells after an infection, there’s no evidence given there that the virus is actually infecting immune cells.

But it’s not uncommon for some immune cells to get infected with viruses, especially monocytes (who are actually eating viruses). They are on the front line after all. It’s not a cause for panic although worth understanding. Is it implicated in severe Covid-19? No smoking gun but it might be.

Measles is an interesting one. Not only does it infect B and T cells but it actually preferentially knocks out immune memory cells. So it wipes the memory and the next time you get a common cold it’s much worse.

99882 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #431 of 1269 🔗

Another e-mail from Councillor Durrant plus a link to the attachment he sent with it for telling the council your views:


99889 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #432 of 1269 🔗

The e-mail:

Dear All,

The world’s gone mad, or you would think so if you took the official reasons for lockdown seriously, but as I don’t think the establishment are mad, there must be another explanation for their madness! Why would they knowingly wreck the economy and lives under the guise of fighting a seasonal ‘flu’ virus? There are always a range of interests behind government policy, and be clear many billionaires are becoming multi-billionaires from the misery being inflicted by lockdown, but who else benefits? Is there a hidden political agenda?

Well there is a revolutionary idea called “worse is better” and “don’t let a good crisis go to waste”. I believe the political purpose behind the madness is to stop Brexit, sink Trump and further EU integration.

Already the French President has used the crisis to progress more fiscal integration, giving the central bureaucracy the power to levy taxes, and quarantine the ‘yellow vests’. In UK when the proverbial hits the fan in October when furlough ends there will be intense pressure to extend the transition period (forever)! And in America Trump was riding high on a strong economy until the lockdown, mostly maintained beyond reason in Democrat run states. So the crisis is being dragged out in UK until October to coincide with US elections in November! I mean if UK announced the crisis over, how could the Democrats keep the lie going in US?

I’m not here discussing the merits of a Boris Brexit, Trump re-election or further EU integration, but just a “Globalist” establishment motive behind it all.

I’m producing a leaflet, a survey asking a question, focusing on Brexit and the ‘madness’, see attachment, which you are welcome to fact check before I get it printed.


99974 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #433 of 1269 🔗

Oh dear! The weakness of the opposition : confuse the issue with a stable of hobby-horses.

100020 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to RickH, #434 of 1269 🔗

I’m with you. We don’t come from the same direction, but this looks disappointingly weak, badly worded and poorly thought through to me.

100147 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to matt, #435 of 1269 🔗

He’s asked for feedback ……

100290 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Awkward Git, #436 of 1269 🔗

Time to take the guillotines out of mothballs. Macron can go first.

99890 DressageRider, replying to DressageRider, 7, #437 of 1269 🔗

Regulars will know that I like to keep an eye on daily worldwide deaths and cases. It is looking more and more likely that worldwide the virus has run out of steam. It might be that R = <1 worldwide now. Daily cases have been on a bumpy plateau of around 250,000 to 260,000 since July 24th. Deaths peaked back in April at under 7,500 per day and right now seem to be moving towards 5,500 per day, worldwide.


99916 ▶▶ wendy, replying to DressageRider, 5, #438 of 1269 🔗

Thank you, very hopeful signs

99966 ▶▶ Drawde927, replying to DressageRider, 2, #439 of 1269 🔗

Looking at the graphs both cases and deaths seem to have passed their peak, the start of the downturn for the former especially seems to be several weeks ago.

I would guess the fact that the two graph curves are such different shapes, with no massive April/May peak in cases, is because there’s so much testing now compared to early on. Given this, it seems odd that the downturn is more noticeable in the case graph compared to the deaths.

99978 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DressageRider, 1, #440 of 1269 🔗

Forget the world with all the variables involved. Just look at here. The virus committed hari-kiri a while back.

99993 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to RickH, #441 of 1269 🔗

Can you do the link again? Thanks.

100067 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, #442 of 1269 🔗

Sorry. Misread your post – thought there was a link under the word here .

99896 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 9, #443 of 1269 🔗


This is short interview English subtitles with Prof Pueschel Germany who has done 100 autopsies of C-19 cases. You will never see such type of interview in BBC presently.Interesting.

99917 ▶▶ watashi, replying to swedenborg, 1, #444 of 1269 🔗

very interesting, thank you!

99938 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to swedenborg, 1, #445 of 1269 🔗

Interesting. Thanks …

100144 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, 1, #446 of 1269 🔗


100171 ▶▶ Nicky, replying to swedenborg, 1, #447 of 1269 🔗

Excellent – thank you. Have saved this to share round.

99902 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #448 of 1269 🔗
100006 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 3, #449 of 1269 🔗

I’m going. I have to and will regret it if I don’t go.

99903 4096, replying to 4096, 21, #450 of 1269 🔗

Given the very strongly-worded article from Prof Heneghan and my Twitter feed I’m somehow getting a feeling that the tide may finally be slowly beginning to turn. Then again, I’ve felt similarly about a million times already in the last couple of months.

99928 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to 4096, 2, #451 of 1269 🔗


99930 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to 4096, 14, #452 of 1269 🔗

I’m just waiting until winter. Remember that lockdown has only happened during the spring/summer months so far in the UK and the consequences also haven’t had enough time to manifest yet. When the tide does finally turn it will be a Pyrrhic victory because we will all be worse off somehow but that’s unfortunately what it will take to get people to wake up and revolt.

99956 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Poppy, 5, #453 of 1269 🔗

There wil be a lot of shame going round. Any talk of taking any collective action again will be met with “Ah so remember that last time they tried that shit? What happened?”

It may be a blessing in disguise. The full incompetence, idiocy and criminality has been there to see.

99984 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Poppy, 5, #454 of 1269 🔗

The odds are that winter will bring the usual rise in infections.

Any bets on what they will be attributed to?

100095 ▶▶▶ Youth_Unheard, replying to Poppy, 6, #455 of 1269 🔗

Because not many people will be happy queueing outside shops in the pouring rain for half an hour. Just see how deadly the virus becomes then…

100115 ▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Youth_Unheard, 2, #456 of 1269 🔗

Since March the weather has generally been very kind. Imagine enjoying a beer or two in a cold, wet beer garden? Sounds like an end to some more pubs. Bournemouth beach in November, maybe not.

100118 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Youth_Unheard, #457 of 1269 🔗

But they want us at home, online!

100491 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Youth_Unheard, #458 of 1269 🔗

In our town on Saturday they queued meekly outside cafés in pouring rain and 60 mph winds.

99909 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #459 of 1269 🔗

Not sure I can bear to read it.

Leaked Government dossier reveals worst-case scenario if no-deal and coronavirus coincide A secret dossier has revealed scenarios that could happen if a second wave coincides with a no-deal Brexit, including food airdrops, petrol shortages and animal diseases.


99918 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #460 of 1269 🔗

Nope I don’t think I can bear to read it either!

99937 ▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to wendy, 3, #461 of 1269 🔗

So why are the current government going along with it if this REALLY is a left wing plot!?

The response is pure incompetence rather than any conspiracy.

99960 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to hotrod, 7, #462 of 1269 🔗

I don’t think it was unintentional, its been repeated throughout the West. This is the big Reset when the western world eradicates democracy and freedom. The only way to reverse this is a bloody Rebellion.

100047 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to hotrod, #463 of 1269 🔗

A left wing plot? By what appeared originally to be a right wing Brexiter government? How did that dog change its stripes so comprehensively?

100111 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ConstantBees, #464 of 1269 🔗

A no-deal has always been on the cards.

100623 ▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to ConstantBees, #465 of 1269 🔗

By what appeared originally to be…

I think you’ve said it right there. People on the left fantasise about how ‘right wing’ people like Johnson and Trump really are. They want a bogeyman to hate.

And I don’t think Johnson was ever really a ‘Brexiteer’, but knew that Brexit had to be delivered just to settle things.

Fast forward three months, and Johnson and crew genuinely seemed to be going along with the herd immunity idea, but something happened. Johnson came back with that ‘serious face’ he clearly practised in front of the mirror, and the government became the monster we see today. I’m not convinced Johnson ever had Covid – I think he went away to ‘adjust’ to what was coming.

99920 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Barney McGrew, 8, #466 of 1269 🔗

As the article says, it’s a worst-case scenario rather than a forecast but if this all does come to pass then there will be hell to pay, and it will all be happening under Johnson and Cummings’ watch. First they fuck up the Covid response, then they cock up Brexit.

100029 ▶▶▶ Hammer Onats, replying to Poppy, 6, #467 of 1269 🔗

If some of the stuff proposed happens there won’t be enough cops or army to protect the politicians.

100069 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Hammer Onats, 1, #468 of 1269 🔗

It’s just the old Project Fear argument regurgitated by Yahoo. Obvious bullshit.

100287 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Hammer Onats, #469 of 1269 🔗

The big names will have jets and helicopters on standby. We may need to focus on backbenchers, media folk, and nhs management.

100490 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Hammer Onats, #470 of 1269 🔗

Not to protect them from me.
Wait till they get in their baths, then stab them. It worked for Charlotte.

99925 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #471 of 1269 🔗

Normal project fear rubbish.no substance

99926 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Barney McGrew, -4, #472 of 1269 🔗

More proof the Coronavirus was a manufactured crisis perpetrated by Remainers and climate change zealots. Its a convenient virus is it not. If they try it on there will be a lot of blood spilt.

99934 ▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #473 of 1269 🔗

I’m a Remainer – but I accept Brexit has to happen.

I don’t know why you keep associating murderous lockdown and incompetent Covid policies with not wanting to leave the EU….

99988 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #474 of 1269 🔗

Oh – do give over on this sort of sectarian toss!

It makes opposition to this shambles look stupid, when it is intelligent.

100051 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #475 of 1269 🔗

This is starting to remind me of the financial crisis. This has been a world-wide crisis, not one restricted to the UK. I cannot tell you how unimportant Brexit is to the American public, for one, or to any non-European country anywhere in the world.

And I don’t see how this plays into any climate change zealots’ scenarios. We have mass movement into increasing numbers of cars as public transport is almost shut down. How can that fit into any climate change scenario?

100114 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #476 of 1269 🔗

They’re coming for your car next!

Did you see this today, about how government anti-car policy has backfired?


Exclusive: Councils reverse street closures after backlash to ‘green’ scheme. The Government’s £250m plan to close roads to cars has increased congestion and hurt businesses, say residents.

The comments luridly describe town centre chaos caused by the pointless policy. Back to the drawing board then.

100044 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #477 of 1269 🔗

Also covered in the Daily Mail. The military is brought in to quell civil unrest and that style of thing.

100065 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #478 of 1269 🔗

No such thing as no-deal brexit, this has always been a pro-EU fantasy. The default position is WTO rules.

Sounds like typical Yahoo bullshit.

99921 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 32, #479 of 1269 🔗

Would be interested to know what the bed-wetters think happened to “Flatten The Curve”.

Medical services can now cope can’t they? Isn’t it better to stop all slowing measures now and let it rip before winter?

No lockdowns, no masks, no quarantines, no social distancing, no pubs or schools closing etc? All except for the most vulnerable ( who should shield from the likes of flu anyway).

Is that a logical view?

Correct me if I’m wrong.

99931 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to NappyFace, 7, #480 of 1269 🔗

”bed-wetters think”

not sure that happens

99935 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to NappyFace, 5, #481 of 1269 🔗

It is logical if this was about a virus

99973 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to NappyFace, 1, #482 of 1269 🔗

A ‘cheerful’ forecast – don’t read it unless you’re feeling strong!

https://www.theblogmire.com/three-weeks-for-the-lockdown-but-they-were-all-of-them-deceived/ MW

100109 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #483 of 1269 🔗

“Once interventions are relaxed (in the example in Figure 3, from September onwards), infections begin to rise, resulting in a predicted peak epidemic later in the year. The more successful a strategy is at temporary suppression, the larger the later epidemic is predicted to be in the absence of vaccination, due to lesser build-up of herd immunity.” (p.10)

Yikes!! 2nd wave 2nd wave 2nd wave …..

100196 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #484 of 1269 🔗

I know. His politics are OK for an evangelical Christian but ‘cheerful bugger isn’t he – I did warn you! 🙂 MW

100687 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #485 of 1269 🔗

It’s worth clarifying that what Cheezilla is quoting above is Ferguson. Rob Slane’s piece is absolutely not agreeing with it. He’s really saying that what is going on is still following the dodgy model. MW

100059 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to NappyFace, 2, #486 of 1269 🔗

Yes, but someone might DIE!

100093 ▶▶▶ Youth_Unheard, replying to DressageRider, 2, #487 of 1269 🔗

Don’t say the d word, that doesn’t happen anymore!

99932 richard riewer, 1, #488 of 1269 🔗

PM Boris Johnson: Pander Bear

99936 swedenborg, 6, #489 of 1269 🔗



CDC Guidelines 31 July 2020.
“Wondering what CDC/Gov really thinks about masks? Their guidance on quarantining after exposure to someone with C-19 explicitly states whether the infected OR exposed person wore masks doesn’t matter. My mask protects no one. So does yours. Thanks for clearing that up, CDC!”

Just adding the success in France with masks
Masque obligtoire   21 July and current C-19 cases France


99939 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 20, #490 of 1269 🔗

On the same day

The dictator brought in 10k fines for parents who organise children’s parties.

The dictators ‘scientific’ advisors announce on the state broadcaster that it’s perfectly safe for children to go back to school

Lunacy heaped upon lunacy

99942 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to Cecil B, 8, #491 of 1269 🔗

I would never pay a fine for that. I would take the government to court.

100098 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JulieR, 6, #492 of 1269 🔗

Ah but Fifteen people have died in Victoria alone from COVID-19 – including 84-year-old Giuseppe Franzoni .
Taken so young!

99982 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cecil B, 11, #493 of 1269 🔗

Ah, yes, but there is a significant risk of fun being had at parties. Existing restrictions have thankfully eliminated that danger in schools but masks could still be made compulsory just to ensure maximum misery

99997 ▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Charlie Blue, 10, #494 of 1269 🔗

That’s exactly what I think when they talk about these “illegal parties” in the news.
Looks like people having fun to me – getting pissed, and trying to get laid.
How very dare they.

100130 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to NappyFace, #495 of 1269 🔗

Puritanism is making a comeback. Send them to America again.

100011 ▶▶ matt, replying to Cecil B, 8, #496 of 1269 🔗

Children’s birthday parties are fine, but only on every third Wednesday (or Tuesdays, assuming Jupiter is ascendant) and as long as every 8th person present wears a mask (NB – Kath Kidstone, Seasalt and Bodensee masks only).

100330 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cecil B, #497 of 1269 🔗

I thought people were allowed to have 30 people to visit in their homes?

99948 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 2, #498 of 1269 🔗

Don’t you hate it when you realise you’ve been commenting on a dead thread…

99952 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to OKUK, #499 of 1269 🔗

Do we need to look at yesterdays page?

100005 ▶▶ matt, replying to OKUK, 5, #500 of 1269 🔗

Thread’s dead, baby. Thread’s dead.

100012 ▶▶▶ Edna, replying to matt, #501 of 1269 🔗

Ha ha, love it!

99950 petgor, replying to petgor, 42, #502 of 1269 🔗

I am 76 years old, which makes me vulnerable according to SOME scientists .

That said, rather than watch my country collapse in social and economic terms, why not allow me to take decisions. If I have been sufficiently frightened by the government, and let me say here: I have not lived in fear from day one and that will continue, then allow/require me, together with the rest of my fellow oldies, to self isolate, wear masks and social distance to our hearts content.

I don’t want my country to end up as a basket case merely to protect me. I will protect myself.

This government, which claims to want to be an independent, sovereign nation has let the country down by following other countries, like a bunch of Lemmings. It’s not as though many other countries know what they are doing.

99996 ▶▶ RickH, replying to petgor, 8, #503 of 1269 🔗

I will protect myself.”

Exactly my sentiment, as a fellow Old Fart.

100105 ▶▶▶ petgor, replying to RickH, 10, #504 of 1269 🔗

One day our grandchildren will hear about “the virus that never was”. Thank God my parents, who went through the London Blitz, aren’t alive to see what we have become.

100068 ▶▶ tonys, replying to petgor, 2, #505 of 1269 🔗

Bravo! Excellent comment.

100088 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to petgor, 3, #506 of 1269 🔗

Top post , it’s so bloody patronising to think every person over the age of 60 needs looking after and protecting, Some do of course but leave the others to decide their own personal risk

100212 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to janis pennance, 3, #507 of 1269 🔗

Some people under the age of 60 need looking after and protecting.

100270 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, #508 of 1269 🔗

And they know who they are!

100488 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, #509 of 1269 🔗

In a nice, secure prison.

99955 crimsonpirate, 3, #510 of 1269 🔗

talk a customary walk round Acton park this morning-didn’t see Toby-but noticed see Extinction rebellion posters announcing a protest outside Parliament on Sep 1st.
That could get interesting given the “Notting Hill Carnival” is the day before

99970 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 4, #511 of 1269 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8655795/UK-records-six-coronavirus-deaths-toll.html . Would some please explain the soaring bit within “Another 1,041 people have tested positive for coronavirus today bringing Britain’s total caseload to 325,642.
Today’s case total – which is one higher than last Sunday’s 1,040 – marks another weekend of soaring figures after 1,288 tested positive yesterday and 1,033 on Friday.”

99979 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to arfurmo, 6, #512 of 1269 🔗

Media fear porn at its best. The comments are fun! MW

100085 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 9, #513 of 1269 🔗

Best comment so far:

Six? More people have statistically been brutally murdered to death by a medium sized gang of irate Pomeranian T cup puppies

100487 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, #514 of 1269 🔗

Um … statistics.
Some years ago I read that the commonest cause of death among young men in New York was murder.
Bearing in mind that young people are the least likely adults to die of Covid, but make the biggest zombies, I wonder how Covid terror in NY compares with the fear of being murdered.

99987 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to arfurmo, 14, #515 of 1269 🔗

Usually, “case” means a situation where a medical intervention is involved but under “new-speak” it means tested positive but otherwise completely well. So in the end the numbers are just something to try to continue frighten us because most people don’t realise what “case” now means.

99992 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Polemon2, 8, #516 of 1269 🔗

Yes, ‘case’ is Newspeak for ‘nothing to see here but you must stay very frightened and do as we say.’ For some reason, Toby Young persists in talking about cases rather than ‘cases’ or ‘positive tests’ although the context usually demonstrate that he doesn’t buy in. MW

100015 ▶▶ Liam, replying to arfurmo, 5, #517 of 1269 🔗

“One higher”. These people are just laughing at us.

100019 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to arfurmo, 1, #518 of 1269 🔗

Are the same people being tested every week?

100080 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, 1, #519 of 1269 🔗

Topic du jour

Revealed in the leaked document, Whitehall is planning for the potential of public disorder caused by food shortages and price hikes.

100327 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, #520 of 1269 🔗

What leaked document is this?

99980 Simon Fry, replying to Simon Fry, 25, #521 of 1269 🔗

Your emails from patients suffering from cancer must bring tears to the eyes of anyone with a beating heart. I was diagnosed with advanced metastatic prostate cancer in October 2017 having just played in the Masters European hockey tournament in Glasgow at the end of August 2017. Luckily for me this happened three years ago, not in 2020. I too have quarterly “check ups” that now consist of a telephone conversation rather than a face-to-face meeting with an oncologist. I am on hormone treatment until I die, and I cannot fault the efficiency of the Royal Devon & Exeter when I was admitted three years ago. If I start to feel worse again in the next few months I will be there like a shot at the doors of A&E – they will have to call the police to remove me. I have never been ill in my life, and after 40 years of contributions it is about time I got some value for my money.

I refuse to clap for the NHS as, like some of your email correspondents, nothing was done for me to take any preventative measures when I was as fit as a flea. They are not “heroes”, they are doing their jobs, which was acknowledged to me in private by one of the nurses at the RD&E during this ridiculous overreaction by an incompetent and supine government and health service.

100241 ▶▶ annie, replying to Simon Fry, 3, #522 of 1269 🔗

Those cancer stories.
There are no words strong enough.
Let every detail of every case be recorded. Let every story be told to the world, and let the place where they are told be called Nuremberg.

99998 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 24, #523 of 1269 🔗

Earlier today there was a post linking to an article about Cllr David Durant from Havering council speaking out about anti lockdown and mask issues. I sent him a congratulatory email and he replied by sending me the text of a leaflet that he is distributing to his local area, requesting responses.

I asked if he would mind my posting the text of that leaflet here and received his consent. I am sure it will be of much interest to LS readers and gratifying to hear someone with a little power – albeit local to Havering – is trying to educate people with sentiments that I am sure will be well received here. So here is the text of his leaflet:




There was a populist revolt against the Globalist EU from both “Left” and

“Right” based on restoring sovereignty of the “nation” and “people”. The

Remain establishment tried to stop the revolt with a Project Fear threatening

economic catastrophe!

But it didn’t work and the Leave vote shocked the establishment and finally

led to the election of a badly compromised Paper Tiger PM to deliver Brexit.

A Paper Tiger who roared into office, but immediately folded to promote

another Project Fear, that is wrecking society and economy under the guise of

fighting a seasonal “flu” virus. This real economic catastrophe threatens to

Stop Brexit by forcing an extension of the transition period (forever)!

In UK every year thousands of people are born and every year over 600,000

people die from all causes and it’s something we normally live with. But now

in response to a seasonal “flu” virus we have a government seeking to

lockdown society and economy which will kill far more than it saves, making

the cure far worse than the disease.

It makes no medical sense, but the government is dragging out lockdowns by

conflating corona infections of otherwise healthy people with hospitalisation

and mortality figures which are now less than 2% of deaths from all causes.


Many doctors have admitted the risk of dying with corona-virus is similar to

risk of dying with the flu. Web-search DR JOHN LEE

The UK corona death figures have been inflated by conflating died WITH

and died FROM corona and by including anyone who tested positive, but

subsequently recovered and died months later from other causes.

The majority of those dying with corona-virus are over 80 with underlying

health conditions. Whereas the risk of healthy younger people dying is very

small and children are at almost no risk at all.

Masks offer no protection against a microscopic respiratory virus, which can

simply pass through and around the mask. But prolonged mask wearing can

make you ill including, by restricting breathing and reducing oxygen levels in

the blood causing people to faint, resulting in injury or worse.

Many of those promoting the lockdown are linked to the snake oil vaccine

lobby which hopes to make £billions from mandatory vaccines, ignoring

cheap and successful therapeutic treatments and sensible advice about

enhancing our immune systems, with healthy eating, exercise and sunshine.

Imperial College London which furnished the incredible 500,000 people will

die forecast used by the Paper Tiger to impose the draconian and inhumane

lockdown receives considerable funding from big vaccine drug lobby.

The shocking decision to decant the elderly from the NHS into the care homes

resulted in a slaughter that made up over half the UK death figures. Even

more shocking this sinister mistake was repeated in other countries too!

In UK, an official government report says over 4 times as many may die due

to the lockdown than from the virus due to millions of cancelled operations

and appointments and many more are suffering due to domestic, mental and

health problems linked to confinement and economic misfortune.



As this is a local petition, and I am not from Havering or anywhere near it, I do not consider it appropriate to respond to it directly, but will send him the link to this post and I am sure he will appreciate any messages of support from other forum members for what he is trying to do, it is a pity there aren’t more like him.

100000 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Old Bill, 3, #524 of 1269 🔗

I am (was?) a Remainer. If I thought for one second that this related to an attempt to stop Brexit, I would become a fervent Brexiteer. To be honest I doubt the link given the lockdown madness in the (in)continent.

100042 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to NappyFace, 7, #525 of 1269 🔗

Aren’t you in danger of missing the point here? Personally I don’t care if he blames it on Brexit, the French Revolution, the Iraq war or the repeal of the Corn Laws, what we have here is a person with a little local power and a lot of scepticism trying to do something about a scandalous misappropriation of power. That is what is needed now, support him till we get our freedom back and argue about brexit later.

100061 ▶▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Old Bill, 1, #526 of 1269 🔗

Yes – fair point, well made.

100076 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Old Bill, 2, #527 of 1269 🔗

If he’s representing a strongly Brexit constituency, this approach would get a good chance of being heard.

100213 ▶▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to Old Bill, #528 of 1269 🔗

I think that leaflet muddles ‘the point’

100013 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Old Bill, 3, #529 of 1269 🔗

Good man David. Stick to your guns. Best wishes from the West Midlands!

100073 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Old Bill, 2, #530 of 1269 🔗

What an awesome councillor, looking out for the best interests of his constituents!

Not a squeak from my pointless lot!

100096 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Cheezilla, #531 of 1269 🔗


100129 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Old Bill, #532 of 1269 🔗

PM Boris Johnson is a saboteur.

100010 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 3, #533 of 1269 🔗

Purely anecdotal. My future sister in law reports her 2 step kids have been at school for a week and both now have colds – runny nose and sore throat.

100017 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to stefarm, #534 of 1269 🔗

Nurse… I’m gonna need a food parcel in here stat

100024 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tom Blackburn, 9, #535 of 1269 🔗

Quick, shut the pubs

100030 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to stefarm, 8, #536 of 1269 🔗

Lack of social contact (and presumably less time in the open air) is bound to have weakened their immune systems a bit, so the odd cold is to be expected.

100077 ▶▶▶ The Spingler, replying to Andrew Fish, 8, #537 of 1269 🔗

Exactly this. Speak to astronauts when they get back from the International Space Station. They have to be extremely careful when reintegrating into society as their immune systems have been dampened down so much by being isolated from the thousands of viruses and bacteria and fungi we are exposed to every day.

100101 ▶▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to The Spingler, 5, #538 of 1269 🔗

Sunetra Gupta warned that lockdowns weaken the immune system. Seems pretty obvious to me.

100127 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to NappyFace, 2, #539 of 1269 🔗

Sunetra Gupta is not in the loop.

100257 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to The Spingler, #540 of 1269 🔗

Fungi ! I’d forgotten all about them, now I have something else to agonize over … 🙂

100486 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Andrew Fish, 1, #541 of 1269 🔗

It happens at the start of every school year, always has. Just a lot of assorted germs getting together for the first time. Over in a week. Though I expect there will be howls of ‘Covid’ from the zombie staff and parents.

100031 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to stefarm, 18, #542 of 1269 🔗

Sounds like time to panic.
Let’s cancel all hospital operations and lay off 10 million workers.

100087 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to NappyFace, 5, #543 of 1269 🔗

Too late that has already been done.

100049 ▶▶ court, replying to stefarm, 5, #544 of 1269 🔗

My kids have been at pre-school for 4 days a week throughout all this, they’ve had any number of colds with runny noses, sneezes and the odd cough. That’s life.

100058 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to court, 2, #545 of 1269 🔗

Good healthy stuff!

100103 ▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to court, 7, #546 of 1269 🔗

Exactly. My daughter spent almost the whole of her first year at nursery with 2 big green slugs hanging out of her nose, bless her.

It’s the immune system building itself up. All normal and part and parcel of preparing to survive the big wide world. Not cause for mass hysteria.

100126 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to NappyFace, 3, #547 of 1269 🔗

Right on Nappy Face! Neurotic Hypochondriacs are running this farce, ready to freak out at the slightest sniffle or cough.

100261 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NappyFace, 1, #548 of 1269 🔗

I used to teach 7 year-olds. Big green slugs not restricted to first year nursery.

100056 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, 5, #549 of 1269 🔗

Classic beginning of Autumn Term stuff. The colds will help them be immune to covid19!
All teachers are hoarse at the end of the first week till they get used to talking all day again. I expect they’ll all decide to self-quarantine for a couple of weeks though.

100081 ▶▶ RickH, replying to stefarm, 7, #550 of 1269 🔗

Hardly surprising after immune systems have been so comprehensively buggered by lock-up.

100092 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to RickH, 5, #551 of 1269 🔗

Exactly what I said. SIL is not concerned, more concerned about how the school will react.

100099 ▶▶▶▶ court, replying to stefarm, 5, #552 of 1269 🔗

This is going to be the issue isn’t it. My wife has been working from home throughout all this, last week the management are starting a phased return starting 1 day a week. She got a cold off the kids, of course mentioned this and they said not to come in. That’s 2 weeks now, will she be allowed in this week coming?

100314 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to RickH, #553 of 1269 🔗

Also, hasn’t the weather suddenly got colder?

100313 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to stefarm, #554 of 1269 🔗

Out of interest, have they been wearing masks at school?

100323 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Carrie, #555 of 1269 🔗

Sorry Carrie I don’t know, they are 6 and 10 so I hope not however we are in Scotland so our glorious leader could impose it.

100027 Dave Tee, replying to Dave Tee, 22, #556 of 1269 🔗

When the fat buffoon presently ruling us was elected, and we were told by his critics that all he really, really wanted was to be PM and that he was not interested in crunching the detail, I stuck my fingers in my ears and said to myself: “Don’t care! Don’t care! He’s going to get Brexit done. La-la-la, can’t hear you!”

This blog is a party-political-free zone and I’m not assuming a universal love for Mrs Thatcher here but I have found myself wondering how she might have dealt with this crisis. Like Bojo she went to Oxford but unlike our Dear Leader – an Old Etonian whose degree was in dead poets – she was a chemistry graduate, whose dissertation was in an antibiotic (called Gramicidin, if you’re interested).

Would she, a woman of iron principle, who took on the unions and who sent soldiers to fight and die in the Falklands, have abdicated her responsibility in this matter to “the science” – especially when the science is a cadre of left-wingers like Dr Ferguson, with his history of monumental failure behind him? No. Of course she wouldn’t have. My guess is that Mrs T would have countenanced a limited lockdown at first and then, looking at the emerging data, would quickly have opened things up, considering the collateral damage that the policy was causing. (And for what it’s worth, I think she would have taken a dim view of “working from home” seeing it as a recipe for disaster in people’s day-to-day lives).

The Anglosphere has traditionally been concerned with the personal qualities of its politicians but it has never occurred to me till now that such things might actually be important. It’s fair to say that the scales have fallen from my eyes.

100032 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Dave Tee, 11, #557 of 1269 🔗

Maggie wouldn’t have held much truck with this nonsense.

100054 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dave Tee, 1, #558 of 1269 🔗

It depends what the agenda is. The local mockdowns are keeping local authorities on their most obsequeous behaviour. They never recovered from Thatcher’s assault.

100079 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Dave Tee, 1, #559 of 1269 🔗

Could I ask how you know that Neil Ferguson is a left-winger. I don’t know much about him except that he was responsible for the foot and mouth fiasco.

100107 ▶▶▶ Dave Tee, replying to ConstantBees, 6, #560 of 1269 🔗

He was caught sleeping with miltant left-wing campaigner Antonia Staats. Tells you all you need to know.

100123 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Dave Tee, 2, #561 of 1269 🔗

Maybe he was slumming? Sleeping with the enemy?

100083 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Dave Tee, 2, #562 of 1269 🔗

Oh perrrleaase ! Let’s not get into the Thatcher idolatry on the back of this nonsense : Mr Toad is about as low a bar as there is! We’ll be getting Blair worship next!

100108 ▶▶▶ Dave Tee, replying to RickH, #563 of 1269 🔗

You don’t like Thatcher, I get that.

100121 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Dave Tee, 2, #564 of 1269 🔗


100137 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Dave Tee, 1, #565 of 1269 🔗

Of course not. But I won’t elaborate, given my strictures on not getting side-tracked from the current main issues.

100140 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dave Tee, replying to RickH, #566 of 1269 🔗

We’re not party-political here, as I said in the preface to my comment. But actually I voted Blair in 1997.

100122 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to RickH, 2, #567 of 1269 🔗

Blair worship? Blecch! Yuk! Never!

100138 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to richard riewer, 2, #568 of 1269 🔗

My feelings exactly : Maggie and Blair. Both poison.

100039 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #569 of 1269 🔗

Zoe Harcombe posted this on twitter:

Maths friend recently went on a flight. Man at the gate took the passport & boarding card of every passenger (asking them to remove their mask btw) & then handed it back. Friend concluded if your position in the queue was n, you may as well have shaken hands with n-1 passengers!

100063 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #570 of 1269 🔗

I’ve always found airports are stuffed with bumptious idiots – and I’m not talking about the passengers.

100075 ▶▶ Youth_Unheard, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #571 of 1269 🔗

Remember the pile on she received when she suggested masks reduce blood oxygen content(for whatever reason ie not just the mask but from stress/anxiety etc)? Glad she’s back out there again!

100182 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #572 of 1269 🔗

I’m very pleased to hear this. I’ve always liked her stuff as I follow a low-carb diet with intermittent fasting and she’s great at de-bunking big pharma and big food. However, when she posted this very pro-mask piece in April


i stopped reading her blog in disgust.

Now there are even links to LS on her Twitter feed and she has posted much more anti-lockdown and even anti-mask stuff at least on Twitter. Another little ray of hope!

Also, earlier in the year, she’d had a real pop at Michael Mosley’s BBC doctor garbage (about another issue). I noticed while shopping a couple of weeks ago part of his smug mug on the front of the Radio Times. He was wearing a mask with ‘save lives’ written on it. What a sell-out tart that man is! MW

100251 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #573 of 1269 🔗

She’s really good at pulling stats to pieces and debunking bad studies.

100040 IMoz, replying to IMoz, 6, #574 of 1269 🔗

If you need proof that masks is but a social experiment in how stupid the population is:- https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1297451007299866624

100043 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to IMoz, 1, #575 of 1269 🔗

From the Nuremberg code:


Sorry I couldn’t post the pic itself but the link will take you straight to it.

100311 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, #576 of 1269 🔗

Good points – will Simon Dolan use them in his appeal, do we think? Has it been suggested to him?

100071 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to IMoz, 6, #577 of 1269 🔗

Glad to see at last the social media masses seem to be on our side, judging by reaction to this and some other posts by authority accounts… Need the non social media lot to turn now

100074 ▶▶ Paul, replying to IMoz, 4, #578 of 1269 🔗

There are a few extreme bedwetters in the replies but many more withering put downs !.

100124 ▶▶ mjr, replying to IMoz, 5, #579 of 1269 🔗

contained within this twitter was this tweet
Made me laugh !!!


100248 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mjr, #580 of 1269 🔗

Thanks for the laugh. Best all day!

100309 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to IMoz, #581 of 1269 🔗

They’re freely admitting there, that there is no science behind the ruling, if any old face covering will do.. I see further down the thread, that Peter Hitchens has written to the advertising standards authority about this poster..

100048 court, replying to court, 18, #582 of 1269 🔗

I thought things would be getting better by now, but the fear porn doesn’t seem to be subsiding. Luckily I have a lot of distractions with a 4 & 2yo to deal with – I think my mental health would have took more of a hit otherwise. The eldest is starting school next week and I really hope nothing jeopardises it.

I’ve kept off the news channels, I’ve deleted Twitter, but just go on the website every now and again. I now just follow a few podcasts such as Geoff Norcott, Toby and James’ London Calling, The Delingpod and every now and again Planet Normal with Alison Pearson. These just about keep me sane along with a visit to Wales every week. Does anyone have any other recommendations with podcasts or coping strategies?

100097 ▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth WillyWanks the 4th, replying to court, #583 of 1269 🔗

My one! Search for Bedwetters on Spotify. It’ll be on iTunes next week.

100104 ▶▶ RickH, replying to court, 6, #584 of 1269 🔗

A really good question. But with no certain answer.

I stay away from what passes as ‘News’ as far as possible – the low level to which reportage has fallen depresses me. But you,ve done that

Looking at real data with a spreadsheet helps to confirm my sanity and provides focus – as does occasional contact with the realities of people here.

Then there’s simply ignoring the imposed nonsense ‘regulations’ with family, friends and neighbours – but that depends upon other convinced individuals. The other side is avoiding situations where communal idiocy smacks you in the teeth.

… and in the end, dealing with real health issues (as opposed to manufactured political ones) – the usual gently grappling with the ideals of Zen presence in the moment provides an anchor – when it can be achieved.

100157 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to RickH, 6, #585 of 1269 🔗

Yes, your comment about real health issues is spot on. While I feel very out of control of my life at the moment given that even the most basic task is now fraught and mediated by the government, my own health is the one thing left I can control. I’m lucky to have a property I can hike so, weather permitting, I hike every day. I have amped up my yoga practice and ordered some more props, though I found a teacher who will see me without a mask which I’m excited about. I started intermittent fasting — so basically shrinking my eating window to between noon and 8 p.m. in order to improve my metabolic health. I try to sit outside in the sun to get my Vitamin D. Our own health is one of the few things we can still control!

100150 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to court, 4, #586 of 1269 🔗

I’ve coped by leaving the city and staying mostly at our isolated place north of the city where I don’t have to see anyone. Of course that’s not an option for most. I also socialize only with people who can be old normal; it’s too stressful for me to follow ridiculous protocols. My husband does all the shopping as I won’t wear a mask, though I’d do curb side pickup or delivery if he wasn’t doing it. I order things I need online if hubby can’t shop for me. I stay off MSM sites and don’t watch any TV (other than reality show trash!). In a nutshell, I have kept to myself in a protected bubble! It does get tiresome and boring, but after spending a week in the city virtually locked down because of 100% mask compliance everywhere, I’d rather be up here on 60 acres breathing fresh air and not be triggered by mask zombies everywhere. I watch/listen to Del Bigtree’s The Highwire, The Corbett Report stuff, and London Real (some really great interviews). I like Spiked podcasts and Triggernometry too. I’ve kept my digital subscription to the New York Times only for the puzzles! Gotta keep mentally sharp. My last words of “wisdom” are to treat yourself well and don’t judge or be hard on yourself with respect to anything you need to do to stay sane during this insanity. We’re all trying to cope as best we can, so let’s stay strong!

100246 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #587 of 1269 🔗

That’s right.
If you don’t want to get defiled, don’t touch pitch. Or more likely, nowadays, s..t.

100303 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 3, #588 of 1269 🔗

Triggernometry is good! They get really interesting people on and let them talk, unlike a lot of other interviewers.

100381 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Carrie, 2, #589 of 1269 🔗

Yes they are great! I had my first introduction to our Toby through Triggernometry. That was an excellent interview.

100501 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Carrie, 1, #590 of 1269 🔗

They’re excellent agree. I would recommend Peter Whittle’s “So What You’re Saying is….” as well. He asks good questions and lets the guest talk, he never interrupts them.

100199 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to court, 3, #591 of 1269 🔗

Vernon Coleman (Old man in a chair) is excellent.

Get as much sleep as you can. 🙂

Beer/wine/gin according to taste.

100378 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to court, 2, #592 of 1269 🔗

Wales is a great coping strategy. Thank f@@k I moved back here 5 years ago. Podcasts – Carl Vernon satirizes the lunacy brilliantly. There’s a podcast I’ve been listening to for years called mysterious universe – aliens, bigfoot, weird science. It’s a good way of removing yourself from reality for a few hours a week. The thing is, the topics they talk about – poltergeists, machine elves and daemonic possession for example – make more sense than the mainstream news at the moment!

100399 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mr Dee, #593 of 1269 🔗

Carl Vernon is doing a tour soon!

100406 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Carrie, #594 of 1269 🔗

I know. My place is already booked!

100052 Basics, replying to Basics, 16, #595 of 1269 🔗

Following complaints made by Scottish prison officers all inmates of Scottish prisons will be now made to wear masks. I believe it has been passed in law but I am not certain. It has been announced today.

Masks at all times. The prison officers had complained it was unfair tgey had to wear them but not the prisoners, the officers said they were being put at risk by the prisoners.

Cannot make this stuff up. The inversion of common sense and scientific evidence. Clearly concerns about hidden idenity came into the picture, were looked into, and deemed unimportant.

100082 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 4, #596 of 1269 🔗

Are you joking?

100090 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Basics, 23, #597 of 1269 🔗

Where the hell have the prisoners been that they’d be putting the guards at risk? Prisoners are already under lockdown, and what happens if they refuse to wear the mask? Will they be put in jail???

100116 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 6, #598 of 1269 🔗

maybe they are testing for when they bring “new improved lockdown” in for the rest of us.

100376 ▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 3, #599 of 1269 🔗

Few weeks ago there was a small spate of robberies in electronics shops, consumer stores (at least one Currys, if I recall). It’s OK though they could identify the perpetrators… it was some guys wearing masks.

100100 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Basics, 12, #600 of 1269 🔗

Is their ‘track n’trace any good?

100206 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, 1, #601 of 1269 🔗

Is there something in the water up there?

100078 Paul, replying to Paul, 26, #602 of 1269 🔗

Our daughter had some special blood tests done,on getting the results from her surgeon he pointed out two things not related to her condition.He said she was dehydrated and had a respiratory or throat infection,his conclusion was that these were caused by having to wear a facemask 8 or 9 hours a day,5 or 6 days a week in her job at the hospital.

100086 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Paul, 8, #603 of 1269 🔗

I wish I could say I was surprised by this. I hope she gets better soon. I’d say she should claim an exemption, but I’m guessing that won’t fly at a hospital.

100195 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 3, #604 of 1269 🔗

Thankyou for your kind words Lisa.Unfortunately the hospital won’t allow staff to be exempt,in fact quite a few of the nursing staff there don’t allow patients to be either !

100484 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Paul, #605 of 1269 🔗

So they don’t give a s..t about acute distress?
That figures.

100094 ▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Paul, 7, #606 of 1269 🔗

Can’t she speak to her colleagues and get them all to refuse to wear a mask? If everybody fought against it they couldn’t very well sack the whole hospital.

100202 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Jane in France, 6, #607 of 1269 🔗

They have tried over the weeks to be allowed to go maskless in areas where there are no patients but management would not budge.The NHS trust would happily sack all the staff if they had the right excuse.Those in charge are an absolute bunch of uncaring arseholes,they have no compassion whatsoever for the patients and staff and the things they are getting away with under the cover of ‘covid regulations’ are an utter disgrace,they want locking up and the key needs throwing away.

100273 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Paul, #608 of 1269 🔗

At the very least, they could (and should) name those in management pushing this nonsense. Anonymously, on the internet. Might make the buggers try and defend their position.

100106 ▶▶ davews, replying to Paul, 8, #609 of 1269 🔗

I had not heard that facemasks can cause dehydration but would not be surprised. We who have a certain man’s problem keep a very careful eye on our hydration levels. Maybe another tick on the list of things I am mask exempt for…

100169 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Paul, 10, #610 of 1269 🔗

I’ve been thinking this for a while, and some people have touched upon it on this site. Surely an employer is legally obliged to carry out a health and safety risk assessment on policies such as long-term mask wearing by employees? And surely such an assessment would indicate that there are potential hazards to the wearers’ health?

100192 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Edward, 5, #611 of 1269 🔗

Needs an employee to make a fuss. As people have pointed out, the NHS is quite nasty about silencing people.

100266 ▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Edward, 4, #612 of 1269 🔗

Yes, i’ve been advising worried people and parents where schools now call a “mask” part of the “new uniform” to ask to see a risk assessment for their individual child , that takes account of their medical needs, activity, temperature and room ventilation. It is not uniform it is PPE and as such a risk assessment is necessary

100301 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to janis pennance, #613 of 1269 🔗

I think parents need to group together and employ a lawyer in this matter – school may well back down then…

100193 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Paul, 2, #614 of 1269 🔗

Shame her surgeon was unable to prescribe ‘not wearing a mask’. Come back Sir Lancelot, all is forgiven.

100208 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Paul, #615 of 1269 🔗

Very sad to hear this. Makes me wonder what your daughter can do or even with her colleagues as I suspect that she’s not the only one who has developed health problems from having to wear a mask.

100296 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Paul, 1, #616 of 1269 🔗

I’d suggest she gets legal representation and threatens to take action against her employer!

100084 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 15, #617 of 1269 🔗

There are an astounding number of bed wetting, mask-weaselling comments under a lot of articles about COVID in the media.
This infuriates me more than the stupid fear mongering articles themselves.

100119 ▶▶ annie, replying to NappyFace, 7, #618 of 1269 🔗

There are lots if sceptical ones as well.
Add to thrm!

100204 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NappyFace, #619 of 1269 🔗

Many of those are 77th trolls.

100089 Tenchy, 2, #620 of 1269 🔗

Is this an example of “cancel culture” or does it go under the banner of censorship?


The statement commencing “Freedom of expression and the arts are important values in our city …” is particularly egregious.

100102 smurfs, replying to smurfs, 1, #621 of 1269 🔗

I may have missed if this topic has been discussed previously, so apologies if it has.

Here is a link to a video entitled Bombshell Evidence that COVID RNA Base Pairs are Identical to Chromosome 8 Human DNA
Could those with a deeper understanding of the subject matter confirm whether the claims stand up to scrutiny. Deep down I’m hoping not, but if they do we are in much deeper trouble than we could imagine.

The reference to the above material was included in this video by TheCrowHouse , well worth watching as it provides more context in what it means for the world population in layman terms.

100132 ▶▶ RickH, replying to smurfs, 1, #622 of 1269 🔗

Well – I’ll bow to correction – but I believe that this essentially confirms the wide range of non-specific RNA that can be picked up in a PCR test.

100203 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to smurfs, #623 of 1269 🔗

That is chilling stuff! Fits the narrative though.

100293 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to smurfs, #624 of 1269 🔗

Could somebody please explain what this means, in non-technical terms 🙂 ?

100384 ▶▶▶ smurfs, replying to Carrie, #625 of 1269 🔗

The claim is it has been discovered that the genetic code of the material used in the PCR test to establish the presence of Covid19 is in fact the human DNA sequence for Chromosome 8 (wikipedia link) . So what they are pulling out your body and calling a disease is in fact your own DNA. A scam in short.

Exerpt from wikipedia: About 8% of Chromosome 8 genes are involved in brain development and function, and about 16% are involved in cancer.

What TheCrowHouse is warning about in his video is that because vaccines act in a certain way, often turning the immune system on itself, any vaccine developed for Covid19 could cause your immune system to attack your Chromosome 8, basically impairing mental function and your resistance to fighting cancer. So children/adults given the vaccine could suffer from Downs Syndrome, learning disfunction, etc. and an inability to fight cancer.

At least that’s my understanding of the gist of the claims he makes which is why I asked for the opinion of those who understand this stuff.

100398 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to smurfs, #626 of 1269 🔗

So how come *anyone* tests negative, if the tests basically just checks you have an 8th chromosome?

100112 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 29, #627 of 1269 🔗

Car announced this morning that it wanted more fuel. Out of area so stopped at first Texaco in Peacehaven. Small place, empty, not much room in shop but the lady cashier was behind a screen that would have kept Bonnie & Clyde out. Not young, with those sort of glasses that Dame Edna used to observe Norm’s prostate through.

“Don’t you have a face cover?”

“No” Maintains rigid eye contact – pregnant pause.

“Oh. Twenty Six Fourty Seven, then”

“Jolly Good”

One small step for mankind.

100173 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to James Leary #KBF, 10, #628 of 1269 🔗

From my observations, most people seem to have unofficially decided that petrol stations don’t count as shops. I would estimate only 10-20% seem to go to the bother of putting one on for the 30 seconds it takes to pay for a tank of petrol – in my area at least.

100188 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #629 of 1269 🔗

How often are you down this way, James ? KBF Sussex meeting in Lewes, 1st September. Will buy you a pint.

100422 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to JohnB, #630 of 1269 🔗

All the time. Lewes tomorrow as every Monday.

100433 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to JohnB, #631 of 1269 🔗

Will find details from Paul K

100134 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #633 of 1269 🔗

One of the best sceptic articles for a long while. A refreshing blend of common sense and debunking of “the science”.

100172 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tenchy, 3, #634 of 1269 🔗

“‘Just in case’ lockdowns are simply not an acceptable response to dodgy data. And lockdowns cause deaths.”

100170 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #635 of 1269 🔗

The National Police Chiefs’ Council has warned that forces in England and Wales will continue to increase patrols heading into the bank holiday weekend. Areas of concern, such as Leicester and Greater Manchester, have seen deployments larger than on New Year’s Eve, it said.

Gimme strength!

100141 matt, replying to matt, 9, #636 of 1269 🔗

This is irresponsible. I apologise.

If you you go to google (or search engine of your choice) and you do a search for the medical faculty of imperial college London, Neil Ferguson is contactable by email.

(Medical faculty? Why? Who knows?)

Obviously, I’m not recommending that this should be an opportunity for people to tell him what they think of him. That would be unjustifiable.

100145 ▶▶ matt, replying to matt, 8, #637 of 1269 🔗

Just to add – I definitely don’t have an email in draft as we speak. Nope.

100148 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to matt, 8, #638 of 1269 🔗

I have not read the above comment from Mr. Matt. The one that mentions Neil Fergusson, that is. I will not be acting upon it. No sir.
Also, just three weeks to flatten the curve…

100149 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #639 of 1269 🔗

I should further add that the email I don’t have in draft definitely doesn’t contain the phrase “how do you sleep at night, you psychopath?”

100152 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to matt, 4, #640 of 1269 🔗

No, your honour, I did not hear the defendant, Mr. Matt, say anything at all. In fact, I didn’t just hear you ask me that.

100156 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #641 of 1269 🔗

Baldrick – deny everything.

100168 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to matt, 1, #642 of 1269 🔗

<gets coat> No!

100175 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #643 of 1269 🔗

As well as being wrong to email him abuse, it would be wrong to sign him up for newsletters, websites, marketing sites, political sites, dark web sites, etc.

100201 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to JohnB, #644 of 1269 🔗

Or indeed to log on (using a VPN) to various blogs and forums using his real name and giving his email address to the admins, then to post “hate” that would guarantee him a visit from PC (with the emphasis on PC) Plod.

No no, that would not do at all.

100219 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Simon Dutton, 2, #645 of 1269 🔗

I’d been thinking bestiality sites, after all he did fuck all the UK’s lifestock. But hate speech is better, more likely to be acted upon.

Oh no, what am I saying ? Worse, I meant worse. All options are much too terrible to contemplate.

100142 Lisa from Toronto, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 23, #646 of 1269 🔗

“One month after California Gov. Gavin Newsom unilaterally ordered state residents to wear masks in most public settings, the average daily number of coronavirus cases in the state has increased by over 160%.”

Who could have predicted??? Now that the evidence is in, we’d assume Newsom would concede defeat and rescind the mask mandate.

“Though Newsom’s mask mandate appears to have had little effect on the trajectory of the virus in California, the governor nevertheless this week imposed additional mask requirements on the state, ordering that most students who return to school in the fall will be subject to “strong mask requirements,” namely that “all staff and students in 3rd grade and above will be required to wear a mask or face covering” during the school day.”

So let’s double-down on what doesn’t work in the name of “safety.” We’re in for a long ride I’m afraid…

100391 ▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 2, #647 of 1269 🔗

Know people in CA, a few years ago they were pretty dedicated to staying there long term. Now? they’re much more uncertain… in pretty short order the Governor has increased homelessness levels up 75% in a few years, increased the murder rate in LA county by over 50% and managed to bring typhus, and almost certainly the bubonic plague too, back to the state. But every so often he will shriek “F* Trump!” so the virtue signalling luvvies lap it up. for now, anyway!

100474 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #648 of 1269 🔗

I remember seeing this idiot on Bill Maher’s Real Time several years ago when he was Lieutenant Governor of California.

100146 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #649 of 1269 🔗

Oh how I love Carl Heneghan. I would marry him if I could…

100159 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #650 of 1269 🔗

Unfortunately, under current “guidance” you wouldn’t be able to invite us all to the wedding.

100160 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Andrew Fish, 4, #651 of 1269 🔗

We would all turn up anyway we know that “guidance” is just that.

100185 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Andrew Fish, 4, #652 of 1269 🔗

The wedding should be labelled as a BLM protest so we can all turn up! 😀

100198 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #653 of 1269 🔗

It could be a scientific convention, no problem.

100260 ▶▶ wendy, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #654 of 1269 🔗

You can’t I saw him first!!!!!

100377 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to wendy, 1, #655 of 1269 🔗

Let’s share him. It’s a fantasy so why not?

100482 ▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #656 of 1269 🔗

So would most sceptical females. He would become a polysceptigynogamist.

100164 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 14, #657 of 1269 🔗

In the 1956 The Clean Air act was introduced, to help reduce the number of people suffered from respiratory problems.

I suspect the 2020 mask instructions will have a similar effect, respiratory tract infections are going to increase massively, doctors will have to prescribe antibiotics like sweeties, which will reduce their effectiveness.

We seem to have a large number of people in the population who are asthmatic, why would they use a mask? Surely they must understand they can exempt themselves from this lunacy?

100184 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dave #KBF, 7, #658 of 1269 🔗

I have a friend who has developed bad sinusitis and headaches from wearing a mask. Have been cajoling her to get exemption lanyards.

100190 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Dave #KBF, 8, #659 of 1269 🔗

My step-daughter & boyfriend are both asthmatic. I have told them more than once that they need not / should not wear masks. Unfortunately, they still do because they ‘don’t want the aggro’, if they don’t wear one.

At the moment, it is taking a lot of courage not to wear a mask, especially if you live in an area which believes whole-heartedly that you should be wearing one.

100230 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 6, #660 of 1269 🔗

It is tough. I have generally been the only bare face in shops of all sizes. But no definite direct aggro. I did lurch into paranoia though, when challenged (or maybe just asked by someone who was hoping he could get away with not wearing a mask…I don’t know) outside a shop. Commenters on this board were firmly supportive in bringing me to my senses when I shared what had happened – you were right guys, probably it wasn’t the rozzers.

The point I’m making is that most of the aggro is in ones own head (because it’s been put there, obviously). You are very unlikely to be even challenged or questioned directly (I have listened to the odd general tannoy announcement that was probably aimed at me). No one with any breathing difficulty should be covering her airways as a mere mark of submission.

100239 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Ovis, 4, #661 of 1269 🔗

I had aggro in day 1, but not since.

My friend and I are going to do a maskless shop together soon. Partly to give her courage. And partly to show what others are missing. We will do lots of laughing and smiling.

I wonder if you might do this with friends too and see if it helps the observers rethink.

We are gentle so we don’t plan on trying to create a scene. Just enjoy each other’s company.

100358 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 4, #662 of 1269 🔗

My stepson was the same until yesterday. His asthma hit hard since wearing a mask. He didn’t like the stares he got from other shoppers going unmasked. Yesterday he went shopping unmasked and now will not wear one again. He didn’t even have to use the exemption card I got him.

Once your step daughter and her boyfriend pick up the courage to go unmasked, after that first intimidating time they’ll have the confidence to continue going unmuzzled.

The trick is not to care about how other people judge you. If they have a problem with you, that’s not your problem, it’s theirs.

I’m very proud of my stepson’s newfound courage. If anything good comes of this, it’s that he’s learning to make decisions for himself and not following the herd blindly.

100177 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 7, #663 of 1269 🔗

We have lots of articles and comments on this site picking holes in the Covid narrative. But can’t we construct a reasonable alternative that is supported by a wide spectrum of medics and statisticians?

For me, the data just doesn’t add up. But if that’s true, then it wouldn’t add up for any half decent medic or statistician. So either I am missing something or a lot of medics and statisticians know it doesn’t add up. Which is it?

Practicing health professionals have their career at stake, and may not be willing to risk it. But there must be retired professionals who can speak up.

100210 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to WhyNow, 11, #664 of 1269 🔗

I think many practicing doctors and nurses know it, but they are ‘prevented’ from speaking out. However, for this shit show to end we need them to do this in the public interest, and soon. They need to do it collectively, by calling a series of press conferences – the admin ‘blob’ will not/cannot sack the bulk of its consultants and senior nurses. In my view, the public will listen. While I agree there is a role for retired professionals, and certainly Dr Lee has done a grand job, it must come from those currently practicing, stood at a podium in scrubs. The visual is as important as the narrative.

100231 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #665 of 1269 🔗

I think I agree with this. If they know and are in fear, they could collectively blow the whistle.

100288 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #666 of 1269 🔗

There was quite a lengthy interview (about 25 mins) with a nurse a few days ago, no picture of her but it did not sound like her voice had been disguised..

100224 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to WhyNow, #667 of 1269 🔗

I don’t think you’re missing anything, so …..

100264 ▶▶ matt, replying to WhyNow, 3, #668 of 1269 🔗

There are medics who come here regularly and I will leave them to comment. I’m not a medic, but I come from a medical family and my observation is that the medics don’t have any better a grip on the statistics than we do. Worse, in fact, because they’re not coming here and having them provided.

Telling conversation with my mother (a GP) a few weeks ago:
“Have you had any patients die of Covid”
“Oh, yes, several”
“Have you had any patients die of Covid outside a care home?”
“Oh…. no, actually.”

My sister is a hospital anesthaetist, but in obstetrics, so she’s been kept away from anything Covid (you can stop people being diagnosed with cancer, you can’t stop them giving birth). She’s apparently still terrified. I’m mostly avoiding talking to her.

Unless you’re in a Covid ward, you have barely more data than the average man on the street. Not making excuses, but I think it’s true.

100276 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to matt, #669 of 1269 🔗

Good observation.

100268 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 3, #670 of 1269 🔗

I think we really need to work on this alternative narrative and make it bulletproof. If there is a well-founded alternative, it becomes very difficult to justify the lockdown.

My interpretation so far is.

  1. There was an increase in mortality in April
  2. This increase was primarily among a cohort that were, statistically, quite likely to die soon
  3. The increase was caused by a novel virus
  4. Those with very poor immune systems (the terminally ill) succumbed. Most of the population have a natural resistance even to new strains of flu, and were not affected to an unusual extent.
  5. The transmission was primarily in settings with close personal contact i.e. hospitals and care homes. Very few people outside these settings died, although many caught the virus just as they normally catch colds and flu.
  6. The “cause” of death is not a precise science. Most of the elderly and terminally ill die of complications but where the primary illness is not survivable. For example, you might have advanced cancer but get pneumonia or sepsis. What is the “cause”?
  7. In this case, the “cause” has been thrown into doubt by a change in reporting standards.
  8. Now that the increase has passed (for whatever reason) we see lower mortality from the usual causes. This means that many (how many?) of those who died earlier were statistically likely to die in the next few months.
  9. People continue to die of flu and pneumonia, to a much greater extent than Covid. This proves that lockdown and masks are not effective against virus transmission. There is no reason to think that a relaxation of restrictions will cause an increase in Covid deaths, but not an increase in flu and pneumonia.
  10. End of life often comes with a viral or bacterial infection, even in the body has long since failed with dementia, alzheimer’s, a stroke, or terminal cancer. There is no reason to prolong life through these infections, if the underlying cause is terminal.
  11. Lockdown has significant other health effects e.g. diagnosis and treatment of cancer. It is ethically wrong to prioritise one risk over another.
100283 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to WhyNow, #671 of 1269 🔗

Re point 9 – is it not the case that fewer people have died from the ‘normal’ flu this year? Likely some Covid deaths were mis-labelled, or that it is the case that a lot of the people who died from Covid would have otherwise died from flu?

100302 ▶▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Carrie, 1, #672 of 1269 🔗

I am assuming that, before the test, a lot of flu and pneumonia cases were reported as Covid. Now, with the test, they can’t do that, so we see a significantly larger number with flu and pneumonia than with Covid. But this also means that lockdown and masks are not effective against flu and pneumonia. In which case, what is the reason for thinking they are effective against Covid?

100306 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, #673 of 1269 🔗

My aim is simply to provide an alternative narrative that fits the facts and does not support lockdown as a conclusion. If anyone can demonstrate that these are false, please pipe up!

100349 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to WhyNow, #674 of 1269 🔗

Problem we have is that us saying it carries no weight at all. Unless we get people working on the front line, or experts such as those on SAGE and other committees saying it then it is worthless.

Look how much the sheeple follow the current experts advocating masks on social media, and basically what they say has no scientific backing whatsoever but this is taken as gospel by the sheeple, the MSM, and the Gov. If one of these experts actually started whistle blowing then this is the kind of thing that would turn this, but these people will be receiving major financial benefits and research funding, they revel with having this power too, and really are narcissists, so the chances of them ever coming forward is minimal.

100352 ▶▶▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to JohnB, #675 of 1269 🔗

Yes, but currently I don’t believe we have a coherent alternative explanation. We just have a lot of objections. If we have a coherent alternative we can get support for it, and challenge others to refute it.

100382 ▶▶ RickH, replying to WhyNow, 1, #676 of 1269 🔗

A really good question.

My observation is that a lot of health professionals – like the general public -actually do not – or cannot allow themselves have a grasp of basic concepts relating to probability and risk. These skills are much rarer than you think.

The other factor is that they cannot bring themselves to believe that this narrative is so much fiction. Again, it is the common problem of refusing to believe in the degree of dislocation from reality that is taking place.

This sort of belief framework is what con artists can work on – and health professionals are not immune from snake-oil salesmen and illusionists. The bigger the lie, the more convincing.

Did you see that recent programme about Derren Brown?

100178 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #677 of 1269 🔗

Great blog today Toby. Reading about the fiasco surrounding delays in cancer screenings and treatment has left me shaking with rage. How many people have had their lives put on hold and robbed because the NHS has decided to transmogrify into the National Covid Service or even worse the No Health Service? And we’re supposed to clap for this lot, give them pay rises, shower them with gifts and priority shopping slots? They’re redolent of the nomenklatura of the bad old days of the Soviet Union.

The main scandal is the silence of the NHS staff. Sure there have been anonymous comments and testimonials but how can they stand by while many people are dying unnecessarily or their lives blighted by delays and cancellations?

I’ve long believed that the reckoning is coming and like the government, business owners and heritage directors, the NHS should be very afraid. People are losing their patience and will no longer be treated like crap.

100227 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #678 of 1269 🔗

The government will blame the ‘heroic’ NHS (ie the heroism the government created). And then turn them into villains.

100272 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Country Mumkin, #679 of 1269 🔗

Mr Bart said something similar. As he pointed out, all that will be needed will be another scandal on the magnitude of Staffordshire or even worse and all the NHS worship will evaporate.

100435 ▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to Country Mumkin, #680 of 1269 🔗

Great example of government mindfuckage as per George Orwell 1984

100179 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 9, #681 of 1269 🔗

Can someone explain this? If a test is reliable, who do people returning from holiday need to go into quarantine for 14 days? Why can’t they take a test, or maybe several? If they still test negative after say 5 days, what is the quarantine for?

100183 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to WhyNow, 4, #682 of 1269 🔗

I have asked this question also. Also, surely if someone returned from holiday and felt unwell, they would isolate and maybe get tested. If not unwell then why not carry on the same as all other asymptomatic people?

Other countries are testing on arrival and works well but Shapps says that too many would slip through net if early infection. As you say test after 5 days (if said person has any intention of abiding) and if negative, carry on as normal.

100189 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Sarigan, 2, #683 of 1269 🔗

The theory is that they can be asymptomatic and still transmitting to others. But if they test negative and are asymptomatic it is a bit of a stretch that they still need to self-isolate.

100223 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to WhyNow, 1, #684 of 1269 🔗

But most of the rules are a bit of a stretch!

100325 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Sarigan, 2, #685 of 1269 🔗

Testing on arrival would need proper logistical organisation. Their incompetent solution (from Eurostar experience) is a poorly built website form, that probably just dumps data into a black hole, followed by a photocopied QR code cut out with scissors (not joking) to hand over when you arrive in the UK. It’s a classic British civil service solution. Love that they make it look sophisticated with a QR code, nevermind that it is meaningless because it is photocopied. This is how competent our government is, anyone still think they could pull off a conspiracy?

Edit: forgot to say,the outbound French solution was just as laughable. A paper form that everyone had to fill in at check-in. Only problem – no one asked for the form at any point on the journey. They all just went in the bin.

100336 ▶▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to TheBluePill, #686 of 1269 🔗

But they are not enforcing the isolation in any event. So, even if they just asked you to go and get tested, it would be more effective than the present arrangement.

100343 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to WhyNow, 2, #687 of 1269 🔗

Ultimately they don’t care whether or not you isolate at all. They just want fear porn in the meeja about all the lepers coming back from foreign countries.

100187 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to WhyNow, 2, #688 of 1269 🔗

I think the argument goes that the PCR may not detect the virus in the first few days and the false negative rate also makes it flawed. Or perhaps it’s just the case that all the negative tests coming back would blow the whole farce out of the water. My impression was that quarantine was only ever a response to media pressure.

100194 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #689 of 1269 🔗

But 14 days with no pay is a big deal. It’s OK for a civil servant. They can “work from home”. But if your job does not allow you to work from home, you can’t afford to go on holiday.

You could a) get a test on return b) if you don’t want to isolate for 14 days, get another test after 5. If you have two negative tests, how can they possibly demand that you self-isolate for another 9 days?? For what?

100207 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to WhyNow, 9, #690 of 1269 🔗

As someone who no longer has an income at all and can’t conceive of a time when a holiday will be an option again, I agree that the wilful imposition of financial damage on us all is lunacy. I can only think it’s a case of ‘we must be seen to be doing something. This is something. And 14 days looks really tough’

100271 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #691 of 1269 🔗

If they are saying the chance of a false negative test result means people still need to isolate, then they are admitting the pcr test is unreliable.. Why do only false negatives matter? – you could just as likely test positive and that test result be wrong…
Seems like only positive tests ever matter…

100229 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 1, #692 of 1269 🔗

So we all agree it is ridiculous. But can anyone at least explain the reasoning behind it? I can explain the reasoning behind lots of policies I don’t agree with. This is one where it seems to be inexplicable. Surely civil servants have put forward a reason for the policy. What is that reason?

100237 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to WhyNow, 6, #693 of 1269 🔗

It all reminds me of the book dirk gently’s holistic Detective Agency and the computer programme that was sold to Goverments that you put in what you wanted as the outcome and it would then run backwards and justify the decision.

100277 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #694 of 1269 🔗

AG, as a writer of great letters I have a job for you…. please could you draft a letter to be sent to people’s MPs, asking them how they intend to vote as regards the extension of the coronavirus legislation for another 2 years? And include our arguments for them *not* to do so…
I believe a vote has to be held in Parliament in the next few weeks?
Thank you!

100235 ▶▶ matt, replying to WhyNow, 8, #695 of 1269 🔗

You see, the thing is, it can take a few days before you test positive if you’re infected and it can take up to a week to show symptoms, to be on the safe side. Of course, you may not show symptoms, but that doesn’t mean you’re not sick. And you can have the virus for an unspecified period of time – maybe months – and you may never feel sick, but even if you don’t feel sick you can maybe possibly give the virus to other people. Possibly if you don’t actually have the virus. So… er… stay at home. And wear a mask. And get a test.in fact, get a test while staying at home and wearing a mask, except when you need to go outside to clap the NHS, which we don’t do anymore, but maybe you should, because they are, after all, heroes.

100298 ▶▶▶ Offlands, replying to matt, #696 of 1269 🔗

Thank you for clarifying. I understand it all now.

100335 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to WhyNow, 1, #697 of 1269 🔗

I think this whole circus gave up on facts logic and rationality some while ago. I think it is all down to soothsaying, sorcery and necromancy. Witless Whitty and Hapless Hancock sit around their cauldron and gaze into there crystal ball and out pop loads of disjointed and ludicrous policies which must be obeyed or the spirits will be very cross.
Boris is completely out of his depth, not 2nd waving but drowning.

100365 ▶▶ NickR, replying to WhyNow, 2, #698 of 1269 🔗

You’re making the classic error, assuming good faith and rationality on the part of the government.

100389 ▶▶ RickH, replying to WhyNow, #699 of 1269 🔗

I think that the credulousness on the contrarian side comes from an inability to grasp the powerful nature of brainwashing and mass psychological coercion via authority and the group.

Just think ‘Third Reich’.

Germans in the 1930’s weren’t just stupid, either.

100402 ▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to WhyNow, #700 of 1269 🔗

“If a test is reliable..” that’s a big If. Has anyone seen anyone in the medical fraternity, stake their reputation that a test is 100% reliable? I don’t think so (not to my knowledge at least).

100181 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 19, #701 of 1269 🔗


Another good article by Stacey Rudin, one of the sharpest

“Logically, terrified people want to believe in the existence of a sturdy lifeline. They like that lifeline even more if grasping onto it makes them “good people,” and turns those who prefer to swim with the tide into “killers.” Knowing what it knows about human nature, we can be certain our government knew that proposing lockdown to us at this particular moment was pretty much guaranteed to succeed.”

“Blind faith in lockdown rapidly took hold in March 2020 like a fire in a haystack. The spark that ignited it was terror, lit by the media’s sensationalist reporting of the “disaster” in Northern Italy, shortly followed by the doomsday predictions from fancy-sounding (“Imperial College! London!”) modelers. Those same modelers offered a lifeline: — lockdown, the l ong awaited real-life opportunity to test a pet theory . Too bad we never stopped to question their credibility (“they sound so fancy!”) and motives (“we’ve been waiting for this moment!”) before taking any action — particularly drastic, life-altering action.”

“A second, even bigger credibility issue is found when we consider the first lesson we ever learned about “lockdown.” That lesson came from China. None of us — or even our parents — had ever heard of a population-wide quarantine until the Chinese government planted the idea with a highly-publicized “lockdown” of its own. This normalized the concept, preparing our minds to accept it as a scientifically-supported measure to manage infectious diseases. Then, after bombarding us with images of its citizens’ sacrifices, China predictably declared, “It worked! We defeated the virus! Disease is gone!”

 “The alternative we have chosen — an epidemic identical in size, but longer in duration, with people at statistically zero risk hiding inside their homes getting more stressed, fatter, and sicker — is utter madness.

100395 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, #702 of 1269 🔗

I think that this – in general terms – makes a lot of sense in relation to the techniques of mass persuasion and the herd.

100191 TJN, replying to TJN, 24, #703 of 1269 🔗

Sat down this evening to read today’s blog. I started reading the cancer items and I must confess I couldn’t go on. Weak of me I know. Maybe I’ll read them tomorrow.

But I did catch Toby’s last comment: ‘There will be a reckoning …’

There fucking better be. The bastards who’ve done this, and alllowed it to go on all these months, must pay.

100197 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to TJN, 3, #704 of 1269 🔗

No chance. That’s the whole point of the safety-first, health and safety, precautionary principle. There is no consequence for being wrong.

100215 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to WhyNow, #705 of 1269 🔗

That might work if the state executioner is a bit of a wimp …

100410 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to WhyNow, 1, #706 of 1269 🔗

There is no precautionary principle when the rules and regulations have no coherence and no quantifiable measure of what they’re supposed to achieve.

100221 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TJN, #707 of 1269 🔗

Today’s Update was pretty depressing, though important.

100497 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Cheezilla, #708 of 1269 🔗

Yes. No point in shirking from it.

100240 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to TJN, 4, #709 of 1269 🔗

I honestly though by now that NHS medical staff would have had enough and started to come out in numbers saying it is wrong and that the cannot standby and see what is happening.

100243 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Dave #KBF, 5, #710 of 1269 🔗

Nobody wants to stand alone and lose their job so the majority of folk just go along with whatever and keep their true feelings to themselves

100289 ▶▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Eddie, 4, #711 of 1269 🔗

Yes, that’s how a society becomes repressive. You only need a little force (e.g. fear of losing job) for most people to comply.

100200 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #712 of 1269 🔗


German virologist Ulf Dittmer, Essen U Hospital: “There are indications virus is weakening. It could be virus will only trigger a cold or runny nose”

 Now in main stream media in Germany discussing the new dominating G mutation

100214 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to swedenborg, 3, #713 of 1269 🔗

And this in spite of the best efforts of our rulers, through such measures as lockdown, to disadvantage the least harmful strains and give an evolutionary advantage to the most harmful.

100274 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, 1, #714 of 1269 🔗

That mutation was ages ago and made the virus more infectious but no less (or more) severe. Maybe the mutation story is a way out though. People can say the measures were justified because the virus was worse back then. But nothing really changed except our perception of it.

100284 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to guy153, #715 of 1269 🔗

Do you mean the one described by Gallo et al


or the one discussed yesterday the G one(forgot the number)?

100383 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, 3, #716 of 1269 🔗

D614G it was. The 382 deletion one was also ages ago but there is less evidence of any natural selection going on with that one, although some plausible speculation.

Basically I think the facts here are: D614G is confirmed Darwinian evolution, makes it more infectious, severity the same. It started to become the dominant strain in early March. The 382 nucleotide deletion has confirmed reduced pathology and there are plausible sounding arguments about why it might be naturally selected. But there is not strong evidence that it has been yet– that strain is not especially prevalent. Might need to wait a few 100 years to see the effect.

D614G is the only significant spike evolution. You would expect the spike to be where changes matter more (the reasons why 382 nt deletion might make a difference are interesting but more subtle).

I don’t know of any other significant mutations have been found that affect either infectiousness or severity.

Two myths going around on both sides: virus is evolving to be less virulent (no evidence for this it’s just speculation); virus may evolve one day to become super deadly so we must lock down for ever and eliminate it (not even wrong).

Another myth is that people use absolute numbers of mutations (there are about 300,000) to make it sound scary like SARS2 is some kind of liquid metal terminator. But these are nearly all tiny changes. In fact Coronaviruses mutate slowly because the enzyme they use to replicate has error correction (I should clarify that the enzyme is not part of the virus particle itself– but the virus RNA contains the blueprint for it and the host cell makes the enzyme).

100516 ▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to guy153, #717 of 1269 🔗

The best judgement whether this more dominant and transmissible strain is less virulent or not is to see how the disease behaves at the frontline. There are multiple reports from doctors at the frontline that C-19 is less virulent from Italy, Germany and US. This is of course anecdotical and also to prove C-19 less virulent by having less mortality might be an artefact, as we have better treatment. But there could be one more objective sign that C-19 is less severe. Hospitalization rate. Texas, Florida and California all have more cases than New York and all have lower mortality but also clear reduced hospitalisation rate compared to New York. There is no better out patient treatment to explain that as far as I know.

100753 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, #718 of 1269 🔗

The best way to see if that strain is becoming more populous is to test for it. You could add a couple of primers from the deleted bit to the PCR test and then keep track of the ratios of the two variants over the next several years.

Do Texas, Florida and California really have more infections or just more testing? I would not expect the HIT to be higher in those places.

100307 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to guy153, 2, #719 of 1269 🔗

Yes, agreed this story may be a way out. It is probably incorrect IMO. The virus was probably always this trivial unless you were already near death or were unlucky enough to have tubes stuck down your throat by the NHS.

I’ll gladly let them have this lie for now though if it stops the madness. But I’d still hope for an enquiry and long custodial sentences (it’s nice to dream).

100373 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to swedenborg, #720 of 1269 🔗

The truth is (coming) out there!


100205 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #721 of 1269 🔗


Always stunning this age of deaths C-19 Pennsylvania

Deaths between 100-109 years 117 most likely more than double for all under 40 years

100217 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, #722 of 1269 🔗

That’s a lot of centegenarians!

Useful comment here too:
It is important that you also display the the “case” demographic. Then, when you compare the two demographics, the situation becomes ultra-clear. The elderly comprise about 5% of cases but 80+% of deaths.

100226 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #723 of 1269 🔗

“Not trying to be too flippant, but the stats from Ontario, Canada really are astounding. It’s a tribute to collective ignorance that anyone could actually think we are in a pandemic right now given that more died over 90 than under 80 combined”.


100263 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to swedenborg, 1, #724 of 1269 🔗

I read somewhere that the average age at death of the UK’s CV19 dead is *older* than the average life expectancy..

100354 ▶▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Carrie, 4, #725 of 1269 🔗

This is true. The average age for covid deaths is older than the average age of death of a man & about the same for a woman. That said, 80 year olds on average live a further 10 years on average. The average is brought down by people who died young & the residual years made longer by all the people who live into their 90’s.
But as 95% of covid fatalities had 1 or more serious comorbidities in most cases they were pretty close to deaths door.

100429 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, #726 of 1269 🔗

… i.e. a statement of the bleedin’ obvious and inevitable 🙂

100216 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AMZ, 1, #728 of 1269 🔗

Ferguson in the firing line. Hopefully the first of many!

100333 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #729 of 1269 🔗

I’d like to see Ferguson responsible for the consequences of his advice. It is too easy to advocate a cause where you see that the risk of advocating it is low, even if wrong.

If a private corporation put out advertising that caused obesity, they would be accountable (wouldn’t they??).

100427 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to WhyNow, 2, #730 of 1269 🔗

I assume that last remark is an ironic joke. They would just make a profit – and do.

… which brings us back to some of the issues driving this.

In the end, somebody had to decide to use the ICL crap modelling data.

100222 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to AMZ, #731 of 1269 🔗

That is brilliant

100259 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to AMZ, 1, #732 of 1269 🔗

Definitely time!

100316 ▶▶ smurfs, replying to AMZ, 3, #733 of 1269 🔗

This is going to set a lovely precedent. The f’ing bastards will now have to weight up the risk of getting big pharma brown envelopes with being sued to high heaven. It might focus a few minds now as it seems we have found a chink in the narrative pushers armour… hold them personally liable for their lies!

100428 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to smurfs, #734 of 1269 🔗

… and the government?

100470 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to AMZ, #735 of 1269 🔗

It’s long overdue. Sue Bill.

100211 JohnB, replying to JohnB, -5, #736 of 1269 🔗

I do not feel sorry for the anonymous ICU Doctor in Toby’s article today. In fact I am fed up of these cowards who would rather put a story out like this anonymously than actually stand up and blow the whistle about what is going on.

I hope this coward ends up with terminal cancer as his silence is enabling the Gov, NHS, and all their backers to continue killing people. Maybe having terminal cancer will make him find his voice, and actually help people rather than doing nothing as he is now!

100267 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to JohnB, 2, #737 of 1269 🔗

All these anonymous voices if they really wanted to do right would go public.

Anonymous just means they are moaning, complaining and passing on rumours.

It isn’t easy but sometimes you have to stand up and be counted and risk everything.

100305 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #738 of 1269 🔗

I like to think that I would sacrifice my career, reputation and my family’s financial security for a just cause, but I’m not as confident as you folks that I could if it came to it. Doctors have already been suspended by the GMC for speaking out. Some might feel that their first priority is to be able to continue to treat their sick patients. Anonymous accounts are not ideal, but the more we see, perhaps the more confidence will build for those who want to ‘come out’. This is one of those issues that is so divisive that even close friends and colleagues may not share their true feelings. How many of us here go by our real names?

100318 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #739 of 1269 🔗

If people don’t speak out then nothing will ever change. Anonymous stories will never encourage anyone to speak out, it just makes them remain anonymous and think the are helping, which they aren’t, they are cowards.

It’s different for us on here using our real names as we would just be targeted by the far left, and end up with deaths threats, assaults, harassment and our houses being vandalised.

Although we all have plenty to give on here, we cannot provide anything explosive unlike Doctors, Nurses, Gov Officials, Experts, etc. Being able to provide this would make a huge difference but none of these cowards are prepared to come forward.

100321 ▶▶▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to JohnB, 1, #740 of 1269 🔗

Samizdat changed the Soviet Union.

100339 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to WhyNow, #741 of 1269 🔗

Thanks Comrade!

100342 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to WhyNow, #742 of 1269 🔗

In Soviet Russia, Samizdat changes you

(Brought to you courtesy of the archive of forgotten, decades-old internet memes)

100423 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JohnB, 1, #743 of 1269 🔗

we would just be targeted by the far left”

Incontinent paranoia isn’t exactly a bright solution to incontinent paranoia.

100609 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 1, #744 of 1269 🔗

RickH, I work in information security, I deal with this all the time. This is a very common occurrence. People naive enough to use their own name on Twitter, then they get into an argument with some far left activist on Twitter, then all hell breaks loose. You’re naive if you think it doesn’t happen.

100308 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, #745 of 1269 🔗

Which none of these cowards will do. Happy to moan from behind a keyboard, but still willing to take their wage and let the NHS continue killing people. I am now sick to the back teeth of these people and publishing what they say only allows them to keep doing this, they should be vilified for the cowards and killers they are. These are the real killers, not those that don’t wear a mask.

100371 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #746 of 1269 🔗

They’re coming out slowly but surely, even if it’s Germany! (Thanks Ivor)


100346 ▶▶ NickR, replying to JohnB, 2, #747 of 1269 🔗

I don’t buy this. It may not help your career in the short term but there’s whistle blower protection & longer term people would respect someone who spoke out.
Doctors near retirement, those with a healthy private practice, or any of them making factual statements have nothing to fear.

100218 matt, replying to matt, 12, #748 of 1269 🔗

Draft email to nobody in particular:

Dear XXXX!

As an amateur, always curious to understand human psychology, I would like to understand how you sleep at night?

Tens of thousands dead already or in the near future in this country through untreated cardiac disease and strokes. Tens of thousands of undetected and untreated cancers. Who knows how many suicides, how many children murdered by abusive parents, how many women murdered by abusive partners, let alone longer term psychological, hepatic, cardiac and other health issues caused by 5 months of incarceration of the population? A generation whose education has been set back or partially destroyed. Negative economic growth of 25%, setting us back 2 decades.

And that’s only the UK. Multiply that across the western countries who listened to you. Then add in the hundreds of thousands, likely millions, who will die through starvation and poverty in the third world as a result of the pulling up of the economic drawbridges in the first.

I’m consistently amazed that you continue to think that you have a right to court publicity, but – assuming you’re not in fact a psychopath – I am genuinely curious to understand how you can sleep at night.

Best regards,

100220 ▶▶ matt, replying to matt, 1, #749 of 1269 🔗

A lawyer friend of mine has advised me that this may be classed as “hate mail” so possibly I should dial it down a little.

100254 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to matt, 2, #750 of 1269 🔗

Maybe. Though “how do you sleep at night?” is a good question. The question I would ask is “How do you explain Sweden?”.

100368 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Julian, 1, #751 of 1269 🔗

oh they “explain“ it by saying it’s got a higher death rate than Norway.

Jesus wept.

100370 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sophie123, 2, #752 of 1269 🔗

..despite Norway having less than half the population of Sweden and far less people from the BAME community than Sweden has…

100601 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Carrie, #753 of 1269 🔗

I want to see one of these people properly questioned. That hasn’t happened, that I have seen. Maybe they question eachother, privately. Comparisons to Norway are irrelevant. I saw some posts from Francois Balloux saying it was wishful thinking that we were near herd immunity, but he didn’t say what the evidence was for that.

Maybe they explain it by saying it’s seasonal. But it doesn’t explain how it didn’t rage out of control in Sweden.

100315 ▶▶▶ Marie R, replying to matt, #754 of 1269 🔗

I disagree. Factual

100344 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Marie R, #755 of 1269 🔗

Apparently that doesn’t matter.

100253 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to matt, #756 of 1269 🔗

Sounds like it should be sent to Neil Ferguson!

100334 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Carrie, #757 of 1269 🔗

Oh, that hadn’t occurred to me.

100232 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #758 of 1269 🔗

Boris’s next speech:

“I don’t have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It’s a depression. Everybody’s out of work or scared of losing their job, ……………………….Right now. I want you to go to the window, open it, and stick your head out and yell. I want you to yell:

“I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take this any more!”

100403 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #759 of 1269 🔗

The official line is, as Rishi put it last week, paraphrasing:

“We knew things would get bad. We took the right decisions at the time”

Basically claiming this was expected. If that is the case then they’re going to find it hard to justify not having done a cost/benefit analysis of the actions taken.

100408 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nobody2020, #760 of 1269 🔗

I’m not sure how the government expect to win against Simon Dolan at the appeal.. one of their defences was that their actions have been proportionate and that they are following ‘the science’, however (amongst many other things) their own posters tell people any old homemade face covering will do – no randomised control trials done to justify that, I would think…

100252 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 10, #761 of 1269 🔗

Very bad news for masks today. Look at our warm Mediterranean countries. Cases rises dramatically in France almost 5000 ,Italy over 1000 Greece has more cases than in April. And they all have mandate masks outside in 35 C.
Is it a cynical social Darwinist master stroke by the politicians to spread the infection more to reach herd immunity?
No.I doubt they have that intelligence. But I do believe the virus is spread much more effectively with facemasks.

100265 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to swedenborg, 7, #762 of 1269 🔗

As I wrote earlier, from watching people’s behaviour with masks on, I believe masks are a way to reach herd immunity without the stupid bed wetters realising.

100304 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to JohnB, #763 of 1269 🔗

I think you might be right, playing right into HMG hands.

100338 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to stefarm, 1, #764 of 1269 🔗

Easy way of getting those case figures up as high as possible, and get as many places into lockdown and then push the second wave.

100347 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to swedenborg, 2, #765 of 1269 🔗

On the subject of masks (well, PPE), have people seen this? https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1297464870015840256

‘MPs are to launch legal action to force the Govt to reveal details of hundreds of PPE contracts.
A cross-party group of MPs has accused ministers of breaching transparency rules and demanding the immediate disclosure of the contracts, which are valued at more than £5bn.’

Could be interesting!

100351 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Carrie, #766 of 1269 🔗

This was one of the replies to Simon’s tweet:

‘A company with this website got £108m to provide PPE.
They claim to be a ‘food and beverage’ company.’

Company called ‘Crunch Craving’, it looks like!

100359 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Carrie, #767 of 1269 🔗

The company is incorporated as clandeboye agencies Ltd. The 4 directors are the same people (all with the surname Walker – brothers, presumably) who were previously directors of a company Crunch Craving Ltd. that was dissolved in 2013.

100366 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to matt, #768 of 1269 🔗

Linked to Walker’s crisps maybe???

100379 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Carrie, #769 of 1269 🔗

The registered address is in Northern Ireland, so I doubt it, but it’s possible.

100396 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to matt, #770 of 1269 🔗

Clandestine Boys?

100367 ▶▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Carrie, #771 of 1269 🔗

I expect they have already relocated to an offshore tax haven.

100421 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Carrie, #772 of 1269 🔗

Remember those invisible ferries? Same government.

100431 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to swedenborg, #773 of 1269 🔗

Certainly if they are worn outside

100256 Basics, replying to Basics, 9, #774 of 1269 🔗

More from the globalist crooks.

WHO warns coronavirus vaccine alone won’t end pandemic: ‘We cannot go back to the way things were’


“Key points:
World leaders and the public must learn to manage the virus and make permanent adjustments to their daily lives to bring the virus down to low levels, the WHO said.
Throughout history, outbreaks and pandemics have changed economies and societies, the agency said. ”

We need to take our countries back.

100353 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Basics, 1, #775 of 1269 🔗

“Throughout history, outbreaks and pandemics have changed economies and societies, the agency said.”

Really? So why weren’t we social distancing and wearing masks back in January then, if they were necessary to keep every other pandemic at bay?

100364 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #776 of 1269 🔗

How have they changed them in the past? The only thing I can think of was that farm labour was so short after the Black Death that it ended serfdom.

And now of course, we have such a shortage of workers due to this virus. Oh wait….

I suppose with the resulting poverty we could see a revolution of some kind. But that’s not the result of the pandemic. That’s the result of utter idiocy.

100519 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Sophie123, 1, #777 of 1269 🔗

I think they changed the Inca and Aztec economies and societies quite a bit after they their zero-immigration zero-covid policies from Portgual and Spain were involuntarily ended.

The immigrants worked tirelessly but there was only so much they could achieve with just swords. The viruses they were carrying were thought to have done most of the work.

100362 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, #778 of 1269 🔗

Trump’s press secretary has just tweeted this:

Thanks to President @realDonaldTrump ’s leadership, the FDA has issued an Emergency Use Authorization for convalescent plasma, another safe and effective therapeutic identified in treating the China Virus.’

Anyone know anything about this treatment? I know Trump has a new medical officer now…

100409 ▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Carrie, #779 of 1269 🔗

Don’t know anything about that, but I do know scientists are taking very seriously the possibility of internal disinfectant: https://www.newsweek.com/russia-developing-coronavirus-treatment-that-disinfects-body-uv-light-inside-1508350

100258 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 5, #780 of 1269 🔗

Children more likely to catch coronavirus at home than at school, PHE finds.

I see where this headline is leading. No doubt we will we end up now with loads of propaganda for the mandating of wearing masks in our homes over the next few weeks, then it will be put into law.

100356 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to JohnB, #781 of 1269 🔗

It would make sense IF masks work.
Which they don’t

100417 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Sophie123, 1, #782 of 1269 🔗

Wouldn’t make sense even then – unless you were a moron.

100441 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sophie123, 3, #783 of 1269 🔗

The next stage will be our kids grassing us up to teachers at school because masks aren’t worn at home. Then social services get involved as we’re risking our kids health, and either the kids get taken or parents prosecuted, or both.

It’ll become like 1984 where “children were systematically turned against their parents and taught to spy on them and report their deviations. The family has become in effect an extension of the Thought Police.”

100471 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JohnB, #784 of 1269 🔗

21st Century Stasi in the U.K.

100480 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JohnB, #785 of 1269 🔗

Teachers will be giving out gold stars to the kids who snitch on their parents and competing with each other in the staff room about it.

100552 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to JohnB, 1, #786 of 1269 🔗

See Pol Pot and Khmer Rouge in Cambodia . Children were removed from families and as well as becoming soldiers were also indoctrinated to report their parents for any minor deviation. Watch the Killing Fieldss!..
Basically what our teacher training colleges are doing. Indoctrinating the new teachers who in turn are indoctrinating the children.

100400 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to JohnB, 2, #787 of 1269 🔗

And that was because the data they were using was from during lockdown, when mainly essential workers’ children were in school. So, not unsurprisingly, one thing they found was that the children who tested positive came from households where an adult worked in health or social care…
The other finding was that the kids aren’t passing it on to other children or teachers. Teachers were mainly passing it around among themselves, leading to recommendations for better adult handwashing, hygiene in staff rooms etc. Remains to be seen whether any of these observations hold up in the completely different situation in which : 1. There is very little virus still out there in circulation, and 2. Having all children back, loads using public transport etc etc, is an entirely different scenario from the one studied.

100401 ▶▶ Sue, replying to JohnB, 3, #788 of 1269 🔗

thank god i live alone! honestly i don’t think even the government could be that ridiculous to enforce masks in the home

100697 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sue, #789 of 1269 🔗

There are studies which have been done to gauge it already. They support wearkng masks at home. It’s coming.

100430 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JohnB, 2, #790 of 1269 🔗

And there was me thinking it was to encourage parents to send their children back to school. I must still have some naivete lurking.

100464 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to JohnB, #791 of 1269 🔗

Even these morons wouldn’t try that

100269 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 8, #792 of 1269 🔗

Can we turn this mess around and return to the freedoms we had at the start of 2020?

100328 ▶▶ matt, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #793 of 1269 🔗

I am interested in your theories and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

100279 tides, replying to tides, 5, #794 of 1269 🔗

Why are they bothering? They can’t even be arsed to attempt to enforce their ludicrous policies anymore.

100282 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to tides, 5, #795 of 1269 🔗

This seems to be the government/civil service modus operandi. Create loads of guidance so you can’t be blamed, and ignore the fact that no-one is following it. Not my fault. NMF.

100300 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to tides, 3, #796 of 1269 🔗

And they make us believe they can roll out a vaccine, vaccine passport, microchips etc etc.

Fucking useless.

100386 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to stefarm, 1, #797 of 1269 🔗

And Brexit…

100479 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to tides, #798 of 1269 🔗

You might get a call from Isolation Ensurence* checking you are quarantined correctly, don’t lie because, apparently, they can tell by the tone of your voice and put it in the report.

*their word, spelling uncertain.

100297 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 7, #799 of 1269 🔗

My opinion has changed now, and I am all for the new normal. My new normal though is the complete overhauls to Government, Civil Service, NHS, Care System, Police, BBC, MSM, Social Media, Law Courts, and all Educational Institutions which this whole farce has shown not to be fit for purpose.

100317 ▶▶ Lucky, replying to JohnB, 2, #800 of 1269 🔗

Be careful what you wish for…..sorry, old cynic, pessimist and Orwell lover speaking.

100326 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lucky, #801 of 1269 🔗

So are you saying after the last six months, you would like all those things to remain the same?

100348 ▶▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to JohnB, 2, #802 of 1269 🔗

No. Only that I think what is coming will be a lot worse (but I am as I said an old cynic/pessimist). If things took a brighter direction I would be delighted, but I probably won’t be around long enough to see it. Sorry, that’s not really a helpful contribution but I do think that if things are going to evolve in a ‘better’ direction for the vast majority of humankind it will take a very long time – to me it seems we’re going backwards right now.

100393 ▶▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to JohnB, 2, #803 of 1269 🔗

No. Only that I fear it will only get worse. If things were to go in a brighter direction I would be delighted. I have worked towards that in my way throughout my life. It took a lot of work by a lot of people to get to where we were (pre Covid). Things can go forwards, and they can go back. If any good comes out of this I doubt it will be in my lifetime. You’re right, the whole lot needs an overhaul, but what worries me is who’s going to do the overhauling.

100416 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Lucky, 3, #804 of 1269 🔗

Absolutely right – there’s more than one way to go, and a lot of those ways will be for the worse.

Looked at from one perspective, what we’ve been landed with is a ‘clean’, bright new future – free from filthy things like disease and human contact.

Give me the old messy human way forward – despite its risks – than any bright new dawn from a fanatic’s imagination.

100324 ▶▶ matt, replying to JohnB, 2, #805 of 1269 🔗

Part of me thinks this is actually Dominic Cummings’ plan

100320 Howie59, replying to Howie59, 8, #806 of 1269 🔗

Anyone else think they will try to use the £10,000 illegal rave legislation they are introducing this week in an attempt to stop the demo on the 29th?

100331 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Howie59, 3, #807 of 1269 🔗

We just need to take a deep breath and go for it, backing down is not an option.

100357 ▶▶▶ Howie59, replying to Dave #KBF, #808 of 1269 🔗

There seems to be a scaremongering article citing said legislation in every single newspaper, both mainstream and local print. It is near on impossible however to find anything on legislation.gov.uk.

100332 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Howie59, 2, #809 of 1269 🔗

I think they will have the Police smash everyone up, unlike at the BLM protests where they used the softly softly, get on your knees approach.

100337 ▶▶ matt, replying to Howie59, #810 of 1269 🔗

I’m curious. I think it’s possible. I’ll see next week, I guess.

100426 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Howie59, 1, #811 of 1269 🔗

Don’t take any ID with you, refuse to give your name if arrested.

100445 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #812 of 1269 🔗

You can get an Oyster Card (for bus/tube/train travel) from many london stations, newsagents and at other locations without any need for providing identification and load it up with a tenner for the day. You’ll have to pay a fiver deposit but you can get that back if you return the card

Carry some cash as well and no credit/debt cards will be needed for travel or food/drinks while out and about

Finally you could think about leaving your phone at home or getting a cheap non-smart phone, ensuring you have no personal details on your SIM card (or the phone!)

The above will make it much harder for the police to identify you should they choose to hit you with a fine and you refuse to give your name.

100472 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nick Rose, #813 of 1269 🔗

Can you use still use the camera without a SIM card?

100443 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Howie59, 1, #814 of 1269 🔗

or the Notting Hill Carnival. That is cancelled this year, but that isn’t to say people won’t turn up nonetheless. The other issue is the Carnival has a rather early firmly enforced curfew 7 or 8 PM? This has resulted in lots of after-Carnival parties as people return to Harlesden, Tottenham, Brixton etc. Who’s to say these parties won’t carry on regardless. I remember one Bank holiday weekend party in Hoxton. Looked out from the balcony to hear lots of other parties carrying on in the neighbourhood.

100462 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #815 of 1269 🔗

Ah yes, that time of year when all the BBC-media luvvie types who live in Notting Hill find an excuse to be somewhere else. Talking of “saving lives” as we must I’ve never seen an estimate for how many people die unnecessarily due to traffic congestion in the area slowing ambulance response times, Surely if just one life can be saved etc etc. …

100463 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, #816 of 1269 🔗

…Sorry, just heard in my earpiece, the normal Covid bollox doesn’t apply to the Carnival.

100329 Offlands, 3, #817 of 1269 🔗

We may as well give up now, Jedward have spoken:

Jedward tell Jim Corr to ‘Runaway’ during anti-mask protest row: ‘Your sisters never needed you please leave the band’


100345 Edward Giles, replying to Edward Giles, 17, #818 of 1269 🔗

We are putting our house on the market so have had a couple of estate agents round. First one refused to come in the house without a mask even though I assured him we were very relaxed about it and had no wish for him to put one on. He was unwilling to sit down with us indoors to chat and then was very worried that he had touched the back of one of our garden chairs.

Second agent offered to put on a mask if we wished her to do so. I assured her this was totally unnecessary at which she appeared very relieved. She was then happy to look round the house unmasked in a perfectly normal fashion including climbing up the loft ladder. She was happy to sit down indoors to chat.

So, guess which agent we are going to use.

100350 ▶▶ matt, replying to Edward Giles, 9, #819 of 1269 🔗

Obviously the one who treated you like a leper. Who doesn’t want that level of customer service?

100363 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Edward Giles, 6, #820 of 1269 🔗

The first agent can look forward redundancy shortly, if that is how he reacts to people & their property.

100523 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Edward Giles, #821 of 1269 🔗

While I was drinking my first drink of the evening in the pub the other night, a friend arrived having come straight from the gym. When he attempted to buy his first drink, the mask wearing barman told him we weren’t welcome because he’d had too many. I guess this makes sense, someone who is utterly irrational in one area is also utterly irrational in others. But it certainly seems to have empowered these people to speak out. I hope they get back in their boxes soon.

100360 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 5, #822 of 1269 🔗

At least Ivor’s trying hard! We need more doctors like this


100374 ▶▶ matt, replying to T. Prince, 1, #823 of 1269 🔗

Everyone should watch this..

100725 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to matt, #824 of 1269 🔗
100424 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to T. Prince, #825 of 1269 🔗

This bears out what the Bulgarian pathologists were saying a few weeks ago.

100369 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 16, #826 of 1269 🔗

There’s a reasonable case that the NHS has behaved unethically. It has refused treatment to many people with treatable diseases, while prioritising an infection that seems to have affected relatively few apart from the terminally ill. It seems to have done this for political reasons, in order to avoid negative media coverage.

If it has used media coverage as the basis for treatment, this seems to me to be fundamentally unethical.

100372 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to WhyNow, 13, #827 of 1269 🔗

We need British medics to be as brave as that Spanish doctor the other day, the one interviewed on TV who refused to be ‘led’ by the woman interviewing him!

100411 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Carrie, 5, #828 of 1269 🔗

I can see it will end up where medics are saying cv19 has run it course nothing to worry about and MSM will still be pushing the fear agenda.

100438 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #829 of 1269 🔗

They will never turn against the church of the NHS.

100380 ▶▶ annie, replying to WhyNow, 6, #830 of 1269 🔗

Fundamentally criminal.

100385 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to WhyNow, 2, #831 of 1269 🔗

When actions or inaction knowingly cause people to die there is, or should be, a high bar of justification required.

I just don’t think that bar has been reached in this case. Maybe at the start when people were dying there was some justification, but to continue down this path when the evidence around the world is showing little danger is criminal.

100375 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 9, #832 of 1269 🔗

Wankock wants to test four million people a day! So that’s it then. Antisocial distancing, lockups and face nappies are here to stay.

From The Telegraph (paywall):


There are many excellent comments (not paywalled).

100387 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Tenchy, 5, #833 of 1269 🔗

Ah so that is the plan, everyone who is unemployed will have something to do related to testing.


100392 ▶▶ matt, replying to Tenchy, 7, #834 of 1269 🔗

Will somebody, please, tell the horrible little gnome to just fuck right off? I’ve tried all of my second and third hand connections. Does anyone else have any ideas?

100413 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to matt, 4, #835 of 1269 🔗

We could always try taking him into the yard out the back and shooting him. Like a farmer would with a dog that won’t stop worrying sheep.

100397 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Tenchy, 3, #836 of 1269 🔗

So would that amount to about 50000 false positives a day?

100404 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Steeve, 2, #837 of 1269 🔗

If it’s pillar 2 testing, 200,000 (I’m using Guy123’s false positive estimate)

100419 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to matt, #838 of 1269 🔗

How many false negatives under pillar 2?

100414 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Tenchy, 14, #839 of 1269 🔗

This is getting scary.

I never thought I was a conspiracy theorist type, but what on Earth is really going on?

This makes no sense at all.

I can’t believe they can be THIS stupid – there must be something else.

Is there another disease loose which IS dangerous, and that’s what they’re worried about?

Is there a threat of some attack?

Are they being blackmailed or threatened somehow???

What the hell is going on??!!!!!

100444 ▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to NappyFace, 4, #840 of 1269 🔗

Fearmongering, mindfuckage, as per George Orwell 1984.

100446 ▶▶▶ PWL, replying to NappyFace, 6, #841 of 1269 🔗

People are getting what is coming to them for not understanding some very basic truths about their reality: think Spartans and Helots, Morlocks and Eloi.

Most Britons are like the victim who the killer gets to agree to being tied up with a promise that there won’t be violence.

Covid-19 is cover for an economic readjustment quite literally towards a new world order (planned society). But that’s tin foil hat stuff, right?


100506 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to NappyFace, 7, #842 of 1269 🔗

Simpler than that. They have a choice:

1) Tell the truth that they monumentally fucked it up. Our immune systems could have coped far better without intervention. Resign and stop damaging the country/world. Risk prison, but more importantly (to them) risk never seeing the trough again.

2) Keep digging. Build the lie that the virus is worse than the plague. Continue creating real suffering and destruction of our civilizations. No long strategy, but at least they have ongoing delay and carry on gorging at the trough.

These people are greedy psychopathic pigs, singular focussed on the trough (all senior politicians of every party). We need to stop thinking of them as public servants, they are only in it for themselves. There is no conspiracy (although dark forces are capitalising), to think they would be capable of participating in conspiracy gives them too much credit.

100528 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #843 of 1269 🔗

The institutional media and the Labour Party are now looking to Boris to save them from accountability for their own actions. They all marched in lockstep together in to lockdown; they are all sticking together now. The longer they keep kicking it forward, the more chance they can obfuscate, confuse and massage blame away. At our ongoing expense, counted in jobs, avoidable deaths and destroyed basic liberties.

100436 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tenchy, 3, #844 of 1269 🔗

I can’t believe we would ever have the infrastructure, capability, and organisational skills to ever do 4 million tests a day. The incompetence of the Gov and NHS is sky high, yet they are telling us that within 17 days the whole county will have been tested for COVID-19.

100481 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, 2, #845 of 1269 🔗

And then they start again. And again. And again. The medical maniac’s Forth Bridge.

100390 RDawg, replying to RDawg, 38, #846 of 1269 🔗

Here’s a thought…

Imagine if all the money, resources and political will that have been put into fighting Covid, had instead been diverted into tackling world poverty, hunger, thirst and water-borne diseases. How many lives would have been saved instead?

This has nothing to do with saving lives whatsoever. The entire debacle is a complete and utter con.

To any virtue signalling idiots who claim to be “saving lives”, remind them of that. How many lives will be lost from suicides, poverty, hunger, thirst, cancer, the rise in TB and other diseases which have now taken a back seat to Covid? How many children will miss out on education, have their life chances and futures ruined? How much suffering will there be from the tidal wave of redundancies, depression, anxiety and the fallout that will arise from the inevitable unprecedented global recession. The domestic violence, the child abuse, the hopes and dreams destroyed for generations. Ask them: was it all worth it?

100405 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to RDawg, 17, #847 of 1269 🔗

If he was *really* interested in saving people, Bill Gates could have used his money to provide clean drinking water in countries that don’t have it – for example…

100434 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Carrie, 12, #848 of 1269 🔗

I’ve thought that for ages. Vaccine sceptics have made a very strong case that it’s not vaccines that eradicated smallpox, polio and other diseases (they were already waning or near eradication anyway) — it was clean water, improved sanitation and a better diet. So I’ve got to agree with you that for a lot less money Gates could save many more people, but we know that’s not his goal.

100415 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to RDawg, 10, #849 of 1269 🔗

Yep, a couple of trillion dollars would make a big difference!

And its not as though those countries that pursued hardline lockdowns have done well. France, Italy, UK and Belgium have all had really bad outcomes, while also destroying their economies and running up vast debt.

100540 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to OKUK, 1, #850 of 1269 🔗

And don’t forget developing countries such as Thailand, the Philippines, Peru, South Africa etc who have destroyed their fragile economies even more.

100439 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to RDawg, 11, #851 of 1269 🔗

So right. The time will come, and it will come sooner than they think. They can’t continue to lie forever. Too many people will start to be directly effected. Whether losing their jobs, losing family members from cancer, heart attacks, stroke etc or losing their family set up, or their financial security in old age. Every individual disaster will lead to individuals asking questions. We will win, but at what cost? The earlier we do, the less the damage.

100502 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Chris Hume, 2, #852 of 1269 🔗

I think you’re right, the time is coming. I’m finding another ‘silent sceptic’ almost every day now.

The media/government alliance have made it almost taboo to question the narrative, but more people are, even if not as clearly or vociferously as we do here.

100536 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to RDawg, 1, #853 of 1269 🔗

Hear, hear!!!! We should hammer this point again and again and again.

That said, I think the reckoning is coming. TPTB can’t afford to sustain this lie and as the seasons change and more and more redundancies, bankrputcies, lives lost to other illnesses, lives ruined by mental health issues and loss of life chances emerge, hopefully people will wake up and realise that all of these “Coivd safety measures” were a con and achieved the opposite.

100418 annie, 14, #854 of 1269 🔗

Thinking about that poor little baby with its nappy on the wrong end:

NHS advice in preventing Sudden Infant Death Syndrome includes:

  • keep your baby’s head uncovered – their blanket should be tucked in no higher than their shoulders
100425 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 17, #855 of 1269 🔗

That Whitty guy is pathetic. All that “balance of risk” crap! There is literally no risk to children in any meaningful sense. They are more likely to get hit by a car going to school than suffer serious harm from this virus. This is a time for clear messages and strong voices but all the government can give us is the quavering tosh that issues from Whitty’s trembling lips.

100432 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to OKUK, 10, #856 of 1269 🔗

Did you notice how, when he was extolling the virtues of going to school as opposed to the chance of children catching the virus, he was literally saying it through gritted teeth (and I know about the correct use of “literally”)?

100460 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tenchy, 3, #857 of 1269 🔗

I certainly noticed he sounded extremely uncomfortable making the statement. Exactly the last impression we should be giving to parents at this important juncture.

100485 ▶▶▶▶ Nicky, replying to OKUK, 2, #858 of 1269 🔗

I noticed he couldn’t or wouldn’t look face on to camera

100440 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to OKUK, 4, #859 of 1269 🔗

dim whitty

100461 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to crimsonpirate, #860 of 1269 🔗


100473 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to crimsonpirate, #861 of 1269 🔗

Good one.

100478 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to crimsonpirate, #862 of 1269 🔗

Excellent !

100449 ▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to OKUK, 13, #863 of 1269 🔗

I’ll start at the first post, just booked my train ticket to go to Trafalgar Square… bit scared, but hey diddly ho! At no point will i be wearing a mask!

100465 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Kath Andrews, 3, #864 of 1269 🔗

Well done! I’m not really a demo person myself and can’t be there anyway but I really respect anyone demonstrating in support of the plain truth against a battalion of lies and obfuscation.

100500 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Kath Andrews, 2, #865 of 1269 🔗

Excellent Kath. Please can you represent all of us here who are unable to go? We are with you in spirit.

100637 ▶▶ Marie R, replying to sam, 1, #867 of 1269 🔗

I thought it was 12 noon?

100457 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 10, #868 of 1269 🔗

A thought before bedtime.

Whenever somebody dies, say this – “We could have put everything we have into letting them die of something else”

Some people have been forced into losing everything, even their lives to try and achieve that. Then think about how ridiculous and wrong that is.


100459 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #869 of 1269 🔗

A very pertinent comment. Do our media not understand what you are saying there or are deliberately avoiding the avowal of what they know to be true?

100477 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #870 of 1269 🔗

Time the medics started speaking loudly on the record, they might lose their jobs in the short term but history will prove they did the right thing.
Saying “I didn’t know” will be regarded in the same way as ‘I was only following orders’ because you do know and we know that you know.

100469 BobT, replying to BobT, 21, #871 of 1269 🔗

I just spoke with a friend who works in China and nobody wears a mask and the country has returned to the pre-Codid era with their schools, factories and everything else working and thriving and their economy is still growing.

So, if the West’s politicians cannot think for themselves and just followed China into imposing the lockdowns, masks and all the other infingements of our liberty, why do they not follow them now?

100475 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BobT, 22, #872 of 1269 🔗

I spent a hour speaking to a chap with a Chinese wife. She found it difficult to comprehend that someone might say something critical of the CCP and was also surprised that we are willing and able to criticize our own government.

They have made family visits to China several times (always best to see a country in the company of a local).
He told me that in the big cities downtown stores credit cards/pay by phone are already obsolete. Your face is scanned and bank account debited each time you place an item in your bag. Using cash is not an option.
All this is via an app which incorporates your health status as green (fine), amber (needs attention) or red (go home and stay there until the problem is resolved, the app will not let you shop, buy a ticket or otherwise live a normal life).

As outlined in a link by Toby last week your traffic light status does not only reflect your health because it also takes account your behaviour.
Being a member of the CCP is a big bonus, one you keep to yourself to make it easier to inform on wayward neighbours and colleagues thus enhancing your Green status. Too much time off work ? Down the scale you go. Been fined for littering? Same again. Smoke or drink too much ?…
The alternative for now, is to go rural where the CCPs own definition of being out of poverty is to earn more than $1 per day.

I post this at LS because I expect many of us think the surveillance technology for a total Police State is still years away. It is already here.

100483 ▶▶▶ Nicky, replying to karenovirus, 9, #873 of 1269 🔗

Absolutely. This is not reported in uk, as it is where they want usbto end up. Track and trace and (st)health apps are part of the wider picture. Cash payments have been discouraged for a long time. c19 is a great excuse to accelerate things. I am definitely going to the march in London on Saturday, even if I have to walk there. ENOUGH! Peasants
PS. Next stop the Tower of London no doubt!

100493 ▶▶▶▶ Nicky, replying to Nicky, 6, #874 of 1269 🔗

Personal message to Hankock and Twitty – if you are reading this, I may live in Wales boyos but I am NO sheep….

100495 ▶▶▶▶ Nicky, replying to Nicky, 2, #875 of 1269 🔗

Sorry feeling so angry this morning with Groundhog Day that I edited myself badly. Original post should have full reference to The Peasants’ Revolt.

100543 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Nicky, 2, #876 of 1269 🔗

Unfortunately, it didn’t end well for the peasants (and that was before tasers and CS gas)

100628 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, #877 of 1269 🔗

Bojo “you shall have no Captain but me…”
quite likely the way democracy is being trashed.

100532 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to karenovirus, 2, #878 of 1269 🔗

That’s indeed the plan.
16 Western countries have already ordered the V Health Digital Passport.
I just don’t know whether it’s the mandatory vaccination or that passport first.

If we can’t prevent either, it will only be abolished after vaccinated people start to die in droves, and/or their newborns are overwhelmingly born disabled, because of those mRNA and vector vaccines.
Which, IMO is definetely a risk they carry and which is not worth taking, and will likely happen.

100546 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to karenovirus, 1, #880 of 1269 🔗

china has been using facial recognition to dispense toilet paper for ages
More serious though is the extension of the processes above whereby Uighurs must carry their smart phones. They have QR codes on their doors. They have to hand in their phones (which must include the CPP apps) at CCP checkpoints where the phone data is downloaded and the streets are full of cameras which carry out facial recognition.
Government apps? Facial recognition? CCTV ? sound familiar? This shows the one and only positive aspect of wearing a mask.

100645 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, #881 of 1269 🔗

I expect that the toilet paper thing was part of the testing, odd how it became an issue here at the start of lockdown

100869 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, #882 of 1269 🔗

One suspects it was deemed likely to increase anxiety in anal types – courtesy of SPI-B or somesuch.

100494 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to BobT, 5, #883 of 1269 🔗

According to Our World In Data, China has had less that 10,000 cases since 1st March, which is obviously nonsense, but also very revealing that you don’t need to do all this case hunting to get past Covid. It’s out there, fine, get on with it.

100508 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Recusant, 9, #884 of 1269 🔗

The numbers coming out of China are what made me a sceptic in the first place. This was a ‘very infectious’ disease in a country with a population of 1.4 billion, many of whom live in huge conurbations and very close together but the vast majority of its people escaped it. Amazing how things have got back to normal there so quickly, isn’t it?

100517 ▶▶▶▶ Mark B, replying to Margaret, 1, #885 of 1269 🔗

I think China and most of SE Asia already had a higher level of immunity against it.

100550 ▶▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Margaret, 5, #886 of 1269 🔗

Wolfgang Wodarg talked about that from the start. It was absolutely impossible that a virus circulating in Wuhan wouldn’t have been transmitted to the rest of the country before Wuhan was shut down. They didn’t test people in the rest of China.

100526 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to BobT, 6, #887 of 1269 🔗

Cui bono?!
The Chinese very likely deliberately set the Fauci-made virus free, implemented a drastic lockdown and manipulated their own figures to make us do the very same, in full knowledge and with the sole goal of weakening the West economically, and as such also militarilly, politically and strategically.
But even they couldn’t fathom and still can’t grasp their luck of how incompetent our politicians, and how zealous, persistent, obedient and stupid our media and people are in conflicting this damage on ourselves.

100476 karenovirus, 2, #888 of 1269 🔗

This morning I scrolled down through 40 articles on Local Live Online before coming across 1 that mentioned the Covid or lockdown. This is totally at odds with its previous practice which shouted fear porn relentlessly.
That article (21st Aug) told of Cases rising in the county with a handy UK map showing that we are still in the lowest % in the country. Hardly news is it.

100492 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 17, #889 of 1269 🔗

Quick report from Glasgow.

On Saturday morning we ventured into the city with our little dog. We started at Glasgow Green and wandered west. Quite a few fitness bootcamps were setting up for their classes and we saw a dog training class taking place.

Leaving Glasgow Green, we continued along the north bank of the River Clyde and what struck me, apart from all the litter, was the graffiti. Not the cool Banksy-style, but degenerate daubing from east end gangs. Glasgow hasn’t looked like this since the early 80s. After a bit we decided to turn back. The mess, the graffiti and the stench in the air, not conducive to a relaxing Saturday stroll. I’ve noticed loads of litter around where I live. No just discarded masks, but just general trash in the street.

Anyway, we walked back east through Glasgow Green and our plan was to get some brunch at West Brewery, which opened at 11am.

We entered the beer garden and were met with loads of signage from the brewery with little slogans to do with social distancing and a large banner advising customers that cash was not accepted: “The future is digital, the future is now”.

The door to the brewery, which houses a large restaurant and bar, had a one-way system and the ubiquitous signs reminding customers of social distancing. We wanted to dine outside, so we sort of stood scanning all the signage to figure out how to order food. The beer garden has an outside bar which had 3 or 4 laminated A4 sheets with instructions, along with 2 chalkboards, one to tell customers not to lean on the bar, the other reminding customers not to order from the bar.

One of the A4 sheets had a long list of instructions on how to order food. It referred to an app, which we couldn’t find on the App Store. We were close to giving up, but we moved to one of the outdoor tables which also had an A4 laminated sheet taped to it. This revealed slightly clearer instructions:

  1. scan this QR code for our track and trace (fuck off, we’re sitting outside)
  2. text this series of letters to this number
  3. we’ll text you back with a link to our menu
  4. open that link and choose your food
  5. text us with your order and your table number

Fuck that.

We got in the car and drove back to the town where I live and visited a small Italian cafe, sat outside with the dog and enjoyed a fantastic brunch that was served to us without issue, and not a single QR code in sight.

100498 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Mark H, 3, #890 of 1269 🔗

Shocking! Thanks for the report, Great you had a fantastic brunch! The down tick is for the West Brewery Litter etc

100505 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Mark H, 3, #891 of 1269 🔗

What about people that don’t have smart phones? Older people often don’t (eg my mother).

100513 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Sophie123, 2, #892 of 1269 🔗

Digital Discrimination. It’s a thing long been campaigned about. Some of the western isles got together and dug in trenches for their own internet connections. This is tge more extreme end. Kids forced out of closed but not clised schools for months on end have fallen victim of digital duscrimination also. I believe some of the disability discrimination act covers in part. Access to information.

100579 ▶▶▶ Guirme, replying to Sophie123, 4, #893 of 1269 🔗

Interestingly I know that some people have dug out their old Nokias to avoid the nastiness. We are heading to France in the next few days so we are thinking about taking basic phones.

100627 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Guirme, 2, #894 of 1269 🔗

My smartphone stays home. My 2G phone comes out.

100656 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Guirme, 2, #895 of 1269 🔗

I still use my old Noki for calls and texting I find it easier to use and organise messeges

100510 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Mark H, 4, #896 of 1269 🔗

Make sure you leave negative reviews on Google maps. Eventually they’ll get the message.

100537 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Mark H, 2, #897 of 1269 🔗

And i trust that you have forwarded a link to this page to West Brewery or otherwise told them how their petty guidance and rules lost them a customer

100583 ▶▶ Guirme, replying to Mark H, 1, #898 of 1269 🔗

We haven’t been to Glasgow or Edinburgh since this nonsense started and sadly it seems like that is the correct decision. It is difficult to see how shops, cafes, pubs etc can survive the lack of custom, particularly those like West Brewery that seem to have a death wish.

100588 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Guirme, 2, #899 of 1269 🔗

I was in Edinburgh – Princes Street on Friday for the 1st time since this all started.

Don’t bother, depressing to see the zombies and closed shops.

100496 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #900 of 1269 🔗

LSs have long since realised what the BBC is. It is nothing good, it is propaganda. LSs may be ingerested to see the Trustpilot score for the BBC 7,000 reviews is a reasonable poll, all beit self reporting. Covid19 propaganda certainly gets a mention.


100514 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Basics, 2, #901 of 1269 🔗

… and Several of the 5-star ratings are clearly misclicks by people who wanted to give a no-star rating (judging by their comments).

100499 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 22, #902 of 1269 🔗

I think I’m feeling optimistic today …

There isn’t anyone punishing us to comply with mask wearing

There is no-one checking travel quarantine being followed

We are not being forced to do track and trace in pubs (voluntary only)

Social distancing is being forgotten around here.

We are not being forced to go to test centres

SO … the govt looks good to the rest of the world and the WHO etc (through the eyes of the media and our covid strategies) but we have more choice than we are taking.

I do of course agree none of it should be happening at all, but if there’s is a bigger global agenda, which there might be, we may not come out too bad. We might be Sweden in reality (should we choose to behave individually like Swedes) but on the surface look like a more socialist govt to others.

That’s of course for those that can think freely and have not been scared and don’t needn’t medical assistance.

I’ve got to try and find something positive in this mess… forgive me for that!

100503 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Country Mumkin, 21, #903 of 1269 🔗

I am positive that the majority of underlying opinion is (at long last) with us (source: Daily Mail comments pages haha), and that now all it needs is for people to rise up and rebel against the masking.

We are RIGHT and eventually everyone will see it.

100509 ▶▶▶ Rabbit, replying to Sophie123, 10, #904 of 1269 🔗

It does seem across most MSM articles the comments and number of up votes have turned. Generally seems to be less covid articles, they really must be running out of things to write about when Harry and meg articles, celebrities antics etc are at the top!

100515 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Rabbit, 6, #905 of 1269 🔗

Maybe I’ll be able to face reading the news again. I think I’ll self-isolate from it for a month or two more to be safe.

100535 ▶▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to guy153, 1, #906 of 1269 🔗

Precautionary principle Guy, take it in baby steps at first!

100544 ▶▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Rabbit, 1, #907 of 1269 🔗

Not in The National in Scotland, unfortunately.

100560 ▶▶▶▶▶ Guirme, replying to Jane in France, 1, #908 of 1269 🔗

It’s a brave person who reads The National!

100577 ▶▶▶▶▶ Gillian, replying to Jane in France, 1, #909 of 1269 🔗

The circulation of The National is 7 (on a good day).

100625 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jane in France, 2, #910 of 1269 🔗

Ah, the National. A couple of years ago when on holiday in Scotland, I accidentally set off the hostel’s fire alarm (burned toast!) at 4am. Needless to say, I wasn’t popular. In my mind’s eye, I could see the headlines:

Daily Herald: Careless Camper Gives Hostel Rude Awakening

The National: Evil English Invader Torches Hostel Filled With Sleeping Scottish Youth!

100584 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Sophie123, 2, #911 of 1269 🔗

Oh, I sure hope so. I am feeling less optimistic – and a little depressed about it all – today.

100619 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RyanM, 1, #912 of 1269 🔗

I have my down days too, Ryan. I know how you feel. We all have our own ways of course, but for me a good long slog in the hills usually straightens my head again!

100615 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sophie123, 3, #913 of 1269 🔗

In March, you would rarely see a sceptical comment, and they would be flamed to hell. Now, Daily Mail, Daily Express, Daily Telegraph, Guido Fawkes, Daily Mirror… They’re everywhere now. In some places still a minority, but in others, Scepticism is very proudly taking over the narrative.

I’m glad to have played my part in that, among others.

100504 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 4, #914 of 1269 🔗

They’re just so predictable aren’t they?
First Whitty, then Jenny Harries are rolled out to tell us it’s safe to send our kids to school. Who will it be next?

100522 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Margaret, 6, #915 of 1269 🔗

Everywhere is perfectly safe. You have to be hard of statistics to believe otherwise.

100527 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Margaret, #916 of 1269 🔗

Neil Ferguson

100547 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Margaret, 3, #917 of 1269 🔗

Basil Brush

100566 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Margaret, 8, #918 of 1269 🔗

If Jenny Harris is saying this, maybe she would clearly like to repeat what she said a few weeks ago about NOT wearing masks. Or have her orders clearly changed. Yep.

100614 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Margaret, #919 of 1269 🔗

Ant n Dec

100647 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Margaret, #920 of 1269 🔗

Some dim YouTube celebrity. Everyone listens to those.

100539 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Basics, 3, #922 of 1269 🔗

But not the name, it is an insult to Florence Nightingale. These are Kangaroo Courts, lacking due process. We should all be afraid of the Covid inquisition

100545 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Strange Days, 5, #923 of 1269 🔗

“Updated 21/8/2020”. They are STILL working to the 500,000 dead scenario.

100570 ▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #924 of 1269 🔗

Maybe 500,000 is a target rather than a prediction.

100549 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Strange Days, 3, #925 of 1269 🔗

Is there symbolism in the bird? I don’t know the behaviour of birds to know. But I do know the brand nightingale is about propaganda not practicalities. I agree about Florence, in all likelihood she never gave permission for her name to be usurped.

100551 ▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Basics, 4, #926 of 1269 🔗

Ode to a Nightingale – Keats

My heart aches, and a drowsy numbness pains
My sense, as though of hemlock I had drunk,
Or emptied some dull opiate to the drains
One minute past, and Lethe-wards had sunk:

100611 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Strange Days, 1, #927 of 1269 🔗

Thanks. Great post.

100612 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, #928 of 1269 🔗

When in quarantine you might be called from Isolation Ensurence to make sure you are complying. The call handler will be able to tell from the tone of your voice if you are lieing and put that in the report, So one of them tells me. Presumably to be presented as ‘evidence’ at any forthcoming court case.

100512 Hoppy Uniatz, 7, #929 of 1269 🔗

Rather fittingly I think “Great Reset” is almost an anagram of “Regret Gates”

100518 Rabbit, 5, #930 of 1269 🔗

Went to the normally busy small town of Marlow yesterday, it’s nice for the park, river and shops/pubs. Normally it’s very busy, but lots of spaces in the first car park we got to which is very unusual. Noticed a few empty shop units already and while not a complete ghost town it was very quiet, normally it’s bustling.

Perhaps a lot just doesn’t open on Sundays now apart from pubs, restaurants and cafes which were the only busy places. That’s great but there is this feeling something is missing, a lack of atmosphere.

Only glanced at some of the new normal rules on shop doors, one stated the door is locked and you have to knock for entry due to limiting customer numbers. Good luck with that, an expensive shop as it is, can’t see business rates getting covered long term.

Busy down by the river and children’s park, pretty much just old normal. Pub visit before heading home, silly one way system (can’t see this working well during the winter), full height perspex screen at the bar and staff masked. No request for contact details which was good.

100520 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 15, #931 of 1269 🔗

Each new government threatens to ‘reform’ the BBC

The dictator threatened to do away with the criminalising of non licence fee payers

The real message of course was do as we say or you can kiss goodbye to your six figure pay packets

As required the BBC has pumped out covid porn for the past six months

On the weekend they turned turtle and screamed how important it was that children go back to school (to face certain death if you look at the tripe they had previously been spouting)

Everyone I know refuses to listen to, or follow the BBC. I only look at their webpage on the basis that the truth is most probably the exact opposite of what they are pushing on any given day

100571 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Cecil B, 3, #932 of 1269 🔗

They do some great dramas, but as far as Covid is concerned, they have spent the last 6 months wilfully misinforming the public, as have ITV, Sky and all the others, and all the print media. This whole thing has completely destroyed my confidence in our media.

100607 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NappyFace, 2, #933 of 1269 🔗

Last time I looked BBC dramas were vehicles for woke messaging.

100602 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, #934 of 1269 🔗

Listen, the only thing, the ONLY thing the BBC has got that their rivals have not is David Attenborough. The list of their advantages grows very short.

100878 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nick Rose, #935 of 1269 🔗

He’s a Greta fan.

100521 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 18, #936 of 1269 🔗

Rather than anti-vax we need to be anti-anx

It’s way past time we stopped pandering to hysterics. If they can’t control their irrational anxiety they should get something for it from the doctors.

There was a time when people acting like this would be warned they’d and up in an asylum. But now we don’t have any, there isn’t anything to be frightened of by upping the emotion and avoiding rational thought.

Who’s with me?

100524 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #937 of 1269 🔗


100594 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #938 of 1269 🔗


100598 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 8, #939 of 1269 🔗

One of my first “near fights” occurred at work when someone accused me of being “irresponsible” when I went for a walk in the Lakes the Saturday before lockdown. The first decent weather Saturday since January. I told him he was being hysterical and needed to grow up.

100603 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #940 of 1269 🔗

Posted yesterday about my first verbal reply to a hostile stare, ” you are wearing a mask but it’s you ignoring the one way system”. I didn’t budge.

100779 ▶▶ Wesley, replying to Lucan Grey, #941 of 1269 🔗


100525 Basics, 5, #942 of 1269 🔗

Huge crowds protest in #Québec, Canada, against mandatory mask mandates for children in school – to slow the spread of #COVID19.


100531 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #943 of 1269 🔗

Crowds in Dublin yesterday.


100533 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, #944 of 1269 🔗


100872 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, #945 of 1269 🔗


100542 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #946 of 1269 🔗

NHS managers told care homes to put blanket ‘do not resuscitate’ orders on ALL residents at height of Covid crisis, report shows


100548 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Basics, 8, #947 of 1269 🔗

This amounts to prima facie evidence of a criminal offence of manslaughter.

It is also an offence under the Mental Capacity Act. An individual with capacity can request not to be resuscitated. It is illegal for another person to make such a decision for them

If the person does not have capacity then a a family member etc, can make a ‘best interests’ decision

This should be referred to the police for investigation

100554 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Cecil B, 4, #948 of 1269 🔗

Let have them in prison then. No issue for me. Let them rot.

Not only are their actions directly wrong. What these men and women have done is cause serious anxiety and mistrust in our nations care system. For the future they have damaged our peace. Will you or I have a DNR placed upon us by vicious bureaucrat?

100561 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Basics, 2, #949 of 1269 🔗

At what point are they going to get it – 500,000 are NOT going to die?

100562 ▶▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Basics, 6, #950 of 1269 🔗

All possibly true.
Do you think there’s a chance you are being manipulated into wanting the NHS broken up and sold to private equity…?
Genuine question – since this has occurred to me.
It’s the old media trick – build them up (clapping, adverts, etc) then cut them down (stories of staff doing nothing but record music videos, not letting them treat anyone for any real illnesses or conditions, only Covid, staff demanding discounts in takeaways, etc).

100610 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to NappyFace, 5, #951 of 1269 🔗

No. I am quite happy in my view that the NHS in core principle is one of humans greatest achievements.

Yes I do think the NHS has been parcelled up and infiltrated with ‘change agents’ (their term not mine). There is as much evidence as you like to see that privatisation is the outcome being worked towards in the long term.

The NHS management at senior and political level is rotten to the core. What was Hunt’s book about?

The lionisation, which was literally switched on overnight witb the words “three weeks to flatten the curve”, in my view hides the operation of NHS Reset (their term not mine). This followed the similar idea during the 2000s where armed forces were suddenly lauded as heros, whilst cutting numbers and EU millitary unification was planned. How dare we question when we applaud with such high regard.

I am able to distinguish both criminals akin to shipman who have never met a patient in person and the political drive to quarter our NHS and sell off the parts to friends and lowest bidders.

I don’t mean to indicate all the clinical staff are fabulous and it’s just the fault of managers. We have mostly cowards working in medicine these days, with a few wonderful exceptions. Brave souls choose to go in to primary health care roles, I have admiration for them. However at this point in 2020, a culture of moral cowardice has been found.

We all know how good the NHS could be – sometimes by seeing how badly it has performed. Covid19 monoculture health care is a deliberate act – a further breaking down our service in front of our eyes.

100856 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NappyFace, #952 of 1269 🔗

Thatcher did exactly the same to the railways – and look how well that turned out!

100859 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #953 of 1269 🔗


But yes, it’s been a shambles. Not to say that the administration of our nationalised health service is not also a shambles.

100559 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Cecil B, 2, #954 of 1269 🔗

You are referring to advanced directives. This is a decision made by a person in consultation with their GP that defines exactly what should happen in different circumstances.for example a person may decide that in the event of a cardiac arrest then CPR should not be started, or if they develop sepsis then treatment should be withheld.
For an advanced directive to be legally binding the person making it has to have capacity under the mental capacity act . There are no circumstances under which the family of a person without capacity can put an advanced directive in place.
A DNACPR is a decision made by a doctor of consultant grade not commence CPR in the event of a cardiac arrest ONLY , as it would not be in the patients best interest. This usually involves the patient and their family BUT it does not have to, usually because the patient has had a cardiac arrest in A&E and the family are not there. CPR is brutal, it’s not as shown on TV with gentle compressions.

NHS managers have no legal right to dictate to care homes what they should or should not do. A care home manager has a duty of care to ensure the health and wellbeing of the residents. Only a GP could put a DNACPR in place. I have worked in an emergency department as a registered nurse.

100575 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to p02099003, 1, #955 of 1269 🔗

No I’m not referring to advance directives. You are correct in what you are saying.

However I am referring to a person without capacity and where there is no DNACPR

The MCA is about decision making. If a person has capacity then that person and only that person can make decisions about themselves

If there is no capacity then a person such a next of kin can make decisions that are in the incapacitated persons best interests, and on occasions that could be not to attempt resuscitation

100653 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Cecil B, 1, #956 of 1269 🔗

Under all circumstances, the decision made on behalf of a person lacking capacity HAS to be in that person’s best interests. It should include their carers, any named person, close relatives and friends, any one who has lasting power of attorney and any deputy appointed by the court of protection.
The NHS managers, if they were advising care homes to apply DNACPR on residents after discharge from hospital were acting outside their competencies. Likewise, any care home manager acting on this advice was in breach of the MCA. Any relative of the resident who also insisted on a DNACPR would also be in breach of the MCA. There would be a strong case for referral to the court of protection.

Please note, one modification to hospital DNACPR referee to in my earlier comment, IIRC a middle grade (SpR) doctor or a senior Band 7 registered nurse can instigate a DNACPR, but is subject to senior review. DNACPR can be either closed, with a review date set, or open with no review date as there’s unlikely to be a change in the condition of the person that would warrant a change in DNACPR status.

100860 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to p02099003, #957 of 1269 🔗

GPs were forbidden entry to care homes.

100600 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 2, #958 of 1269 🔗

Complaints about DNR notices without consent in care homes and GPs had some attention in the press early into lockdown.

100613 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to karenovirus, #959 of 1269 🔗

They did, and this is a development of that. A noose slowly closing or a wall prepared for whitewash.

100658 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to karenovirus, #960 of 1269 🔗

Unfortunately DNACPR notices do not require any input from either the person or their relatives, it is solely a medical decision. Care homes cannot impose DNACPR notices, only the GP. This does not mean a withdrawal of medical treatment.

100845 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 1, #961 of 1269 🔗

Yet again, NHS managers manage to remain anonymous.

Only ‘obeying orders (from the Cabinet)’ is still no defence.

100553 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #962 of 1269 🔗

Up to four million people could be tested every day for coronavirus by early next year under ambitious plans to further ease restrictions and boost the economy, the Telegraph understands.

So, it’s official: Christmas is cancelled. Oh well, we knew that anyway.

100555 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #963 of 1269 🔗

Book your ticket, you’ll need to stump up, for the torch light NHS clap Edinburgh council is putting on instead of Christmas. Not a joke. A festive torch nhs clap you pay to be at.

100558 ▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Basics, 2, #964 of 1269 🔗

This is just an experiment into how far they can take it. Seemingly to the end conclusion.

100626 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, 3, #965 of 1269 🔗

There used to be another Nationalist party who were quite keen on torchlight processions.

100633 ▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #966 of 1269 🔗

Nationalist and Socialist…

100644 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #967 of 1269 🔗

The National Socialist German Workers’ Party. Abreviated to NSDAP

In Scotland we have the a Scottish nationalist and social-democratic political party. Abbreviates with ommission to SNP.

So they were ‘workers’ and we have ‘democracy’. We learn from history, see. But it’s a good point about fire being fire.

100663 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 2, #968 of 1269 🔗

Many people like to point to prominent people and exploit their links to the Nazis in Germany. Disappointingly few highlight the SNP’s behaviour *during* the War with regard to this. Your enemy’s enemy is your friend, but you really need to be careful who you get into bed with. Unless they agree/d with the Nazis of course…

100684 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #969 of 1269 🔗

Indeed so Nick. It’s a silent history.

100557 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #970 of 1269 🔗

Apparently, handy cock has described it as a ‘moonshot’. WTF. It’s like listening to the voice over of a teletubblies episode whilst watching an episode of magic roundabout on mute

Where do they get these fucking idiots

100564 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cecil B, 4, #971 of 1269 🔗

If you read it carefully, ‘Operation Moonshot’ is just a nickname. A bit like ‘Health Secretary’.

100581 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #972 of 1269 🔗

‘Moonshot’ being a US term for having a go at landing on the moon? It’s a carefully chosen word whatever it’s meaning.
Not Operation,say, if you will, Basics for example.

My guess would be it refers to the chance involved in making it happen. It also happens to connotate darkness.

100592 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #973 of 1269 🔗

Does the Telegraph journalist question how it is that more testing seems to lead to more restrictions, rather than fewer, so how will this help?

100789 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #974 of 1269 🔗

To play devil’s advocate for a moment – even with false positives present, mass testing could still detect local clusters if they caused a statistically significant increase in positives. Also, those testing positively (false or otherwise) could be prioritised for repeat testing. But (back to sanity) mass testing would be a huge commitment of time, money and resources to find nothing very much.

100565 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #975 of 1269 🔗

Carl Heneghan getting some additional publicity – hopefully his views will reach a wider audience:


100608 ▶▶ matt, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #976 of 1269 🔗

There’s no question that he’s calmly and methodically chipping away at the narrative. He’s also very clearly giving the government a convenient “out” of the current situation and helping them to build a case for ending the nonsense with the minimum possible embarrassment. “It turns out the virus is no longer as deadly as it was”, not “the whole thing was a fuss about nothing in the first place.” Now to see whether they’re interested in taking the get out of jail free card he’s offering.

100655 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to matt, 6, #977 of 1269 🔗

Yes as a doctor he has chosen to try to do the most good he can as he must see how much hurt and damage the fear is causing. He must have views of his own but in trying to go about it this way he is the proper hero. Perhaps it’s also giving courage to others to speak out too. I hope they listen.

100674 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to matt, 3, #978 of 1269 🔗

Agree. He is pursuing a deliberate strategy and using the data – something that our politicians, ably abetted by advisers ‘who do not know what they do not know’, seem incapable, or indeed unwilling, to emulate.

100636 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #979 of 1269 🔗

The problem is, the govt won’t actually let us get on with our lives. Especially people in Leicester, Oldham, Manchester etc, and the threat of additional restrictions at a moments notice hangs over us all.

100659 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #980 of 1269 🔗

Great he’s getting more coverage, but that article starts with some shameless propaganda.

Even though BoJo’s system of localized COVID-19 measures seems to be working, the unrelenting hysteria peddled by the British press has left millions of Britons traumatized.”

In what way do the localized lockdowns seem to be working exactly? Journos should not be making statements like this without concrete evidence to back it up

100670 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Mark II, #981 of 1269 🔗

I think the use of ‘seems’ is relevant here, though, given the background – ZeroHedge was banned from Twitter and Facebook for a few months earlier this year for dissing some of the scaremonger ‘science’. It is a platform for a fairly wide range of views, including many sceptical ones from the likes of Ron Paul.

100574 mjr, replying to mjr, 8, #982 of 1269 🔗

Off topic but it has been covered before .
I see another police shooting in USA of a “person of colour”.
Breakfast tv featuring this.. BBC featuring it. Seems like the suspect (reportedly unarmed) being involved in a domestic situation was ignoring police instructions and walked to his car, opened the door and leaned in. No sound but one would expect plenty of warnings. If i was a policeman in that situation i would be concerned that he was retrieving a gun from under the seat and want his hands where i could see them. We do not know.

Whilst this incident needs investigating and the truth will hopefully come out and necessary action taken against the police involved if this is justified, what annoys me is the MSM jumping on the bandwagon again and in particular UK MSM again picking on this one item to show how woke they are and to continue the BLM narrative. Why do the UK MSM think we are interested in local incidents in USA? Why focus on this one? Where is the reporting of other such incidents that do not involve a person of colour? Where is the reporting of similar incidents in the rest of the world.

100580 ▶▶ Mark, replying to mjr, 5, #983 of 1269 🔗

This should be of no interest to us, but it’s a kind of self-justifying situation. The BLM scum, and their enablers both cynical and foolish, have managed to propagandise enough people into coming out as a mob in response to such irrelevant foreign nonsense (usually dishonestly misrepresented) that now it becomes news here simply by virtue of the fact that it might trigger another mob of idiots and thugs to go out and do harm.

Great job.

If we have the media we deserve, presumably the anti-racist zealots must be right about our original, inherited sin.

100587 ▶▶ Julian, replying to mjr, 4, #984 of 1269 🔗

I don’t think it’s the case that the UK MSM think we are interested. They think we should be interested. That’s not the same thing at all. There are race-related problems in the UK, probably, but the situation in the US gives much more of an opportunity for those with an agenda to push it, because the platform is already there. It’s despicable.

100599 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Julian, 2, #985 of 1269 🔗

Yep despicable and our MPs went along the one minute’s silence, don’t forget.

100624 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to OKUK, 3, #986 of 1269 🔗

Don’t forget Keir Starmer kneeling

100838 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #987 of 1269 🔗


100596 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to mjr, 5, #988 of 1269 🔗

Why do the BBC focus on these very rare cases in the USA while virtually ignoring the thousands of deaths of people of similar ancestry by police using firearms in countries like Brazil, South Africa and Nigeria?

100606 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to OKUK, 2, #989 of 1269 🔗

I think you know the answer to that one.

100675 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mjr, 1, #990 of 1269 🔗

Oh dear!. More hobby-horses riding out to contaminate the focus of this blog.

100699 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to RickH, #991 of 1269 🔗

As i said, off topic.. However relevant as it is a criticism of the BBC and MSM in the UK of an attitude that permeates the reporting of around many subjects, especially covid and lockdown.

100836 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to mjr, 2, #992 of 1269 🔗

No, it isn’t off-topic, and you shouldn’t let Rick or anyone set himself up as topic police for the blog. It might be called lockdown sceptics, but Toby hasn’t been afraid to mention other issues including the BLM issue above the line and nor should we. Nor has Rick ever been reluctant to push his own hobby horse of the coronapanic being something pushed by “far right” elements in the government.

100692 ▶▶ Sue, replying to mjr, 1, #993 of 1269 🔗

The BBC are stirring up race issues in this country. Did they report on any white people who were shot … eeerrrr no thought not.
It’s unacceptable for a public service broadcaster to be so openly biased in this matter.

100844 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Sue, #994 of 1269 🔗

The news you get in the msm generally is heavily censored in that regard, because it’s NUJ policy that when whites are victims of crime committed by non-whites the race of the perpetrators is “irrelevant” and to report it at all, except in the most careful and limited manner, is wrongful.

The converse, of course, does not apply.

100768 ▶▶ Edward, replying to mjr, 1, #995 of 1269 🔗

Picking up on your last sentence – the “war against drugs” in the Philippines has resulted in many extra-judicial killings by the police. Hardly a word about it in the UK media.

100576 Lord Rickmansworth, 2, #996 of 1269 🔗

Hi all! I think my earlier comments didn’t get posted because my profile name had a rude word in it! Anyway, I’m recording a new podcast for ‘Bedwetters’ today. Check it out if you can! https://open.spotify.com/show/4TvMounXNnJPuycMbn3kj7?si=8hJqwCQSQla3ACr7iTFv_A

100578 Lord Rickmansworth, 3, #997 of 1269 🔗

I also hear the BEEB are getting rid of ‘Land of Hope and Glory’ at the proms. What is happening to this country?!?!

100582 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 12, #998 of 1269 🔗

Just been told that next week, at an outdoor birthday gathering of 5 people for my friends 20th we have to wear a mask in his garden. This is never gonna end whilst young people are still brainwashed to believe this virus has a good chance of killing them or causing “long-term damage”.

100585 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Ricky R, 14, #999 of 1269 🔗

I’d give that “celebration” a miss – unless you’re in their will.

100589 ▶▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1000 of 1269 🔗


100586 ▶▶ MDH, replying to Ricky R, 10, #1001 of 1269 🔗

I’d make it a gathering of four then, if I were you.

100591 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Ricky R, 10, #1002 of 1269 🔗

The virus IS causing them long-term damage….mental.

100646 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Ricky R, 3, #1003 of 1269 🔗

I get the feeling young people feel obliged to believe in the measures and fear or be called right wing libertarians. I don’t think I would be going to that party. I’ve cut off from the very few of my friends who are in the fear camp.

100660 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Ricky R, 3, #1004 of 1269 🔗

Obviously, we are completely against, but could you maybe point them to the guidance and law that is only about enclosed spaces? No mandate for outdoor wear. That and don’t go, o f course.
Once again, the plebs think it is a gas mask that will protect them.

100691 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ricky R, #1005 of 1269 🔗

Is it fancy dress? You could go in full Freddie Kruger costume or Friday 13th Jason

100834 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ricky R, #1006 of 1269 🔗

Will his Great-Grandad be there?

100590 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1007 of 1269 🔗


Sweden’s National Board of Heath and Welfare is going to do a national investigation about C-19 death notifications which they think has been over estimated. A local investigation in one region found that only 15% of deaths certified as C-19 was caused by C-19.In 70 % of deaths C-19 was a contributing factor but an astonishingly 15% of deaths certified as C-19 was not at all caused by C-19.
This is also in the surprising fact that excess mortality first half year in Sweden, which will always be the best crude estimate of a pandemic, was 4663 but the actual certified C-19 deaths was 5500 (and we can’t even blame lockdown for that excess mortality). The total death figures could be adjusted down.

100617 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1008 of 1269 🔗

Sweden was very concerned not to underreport C-19 deaths and ended up over reporting them. Obviuosly the mSM will not report this

100641 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to 6097 Smith W, 2, #1009 of 1269 🔗

Or they will report it as Sweden lying to look better! U.K. should do the same with their deaths as same over reporting. If a 90 year old sick with say a heart attack goes into hospital they are tested for Covid and if they do die it is recorded as a with Covid death when really it was not cause of death at all.

100629 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, #1010 of 1269 🔗

Can you provide a source for this? Struggling to find anything

100711 ▶▶▶ Sally, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1011 of 1269 🔗

It’s all in the article. Use an online translator (assuming you can’t read Swedish).

100732 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1012 of 1269 🔗

This is a reference for the investigation in the Swedish General medical journal


Posted the orginal link earlier but sorry only in Swedish

100648 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1013 of 1269 🔗

As Michael Levitt said a few weeks back, you can’t die twice. Also worth pointing out that the excess mortality is ALL causes, not just Covid.

100654 ▶▶ jrsm, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1014 of 1269 🔗

That’s probably why excess mortality is in line with their neighbours like Finland and Denmark, but total COVID-19 attributed deaths are much higher?

100671 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1015 of 1269 🔗

Reminder : the ‘InProportion’ website has an article about Sweden’s unexceptional all-cause mortality :


100739 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 1, #1016 of 1269 🔗

Thanks for posting this Rick – I was looking for exactly this just yesterday. Excuse me while I pass it on to someone who deserves to read it…

100595 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 4, #1017 of 1269 🔗

Radio us on in the background, since 07:00 I have heard the ‘news’ 4 times.

Is it any wonder people are so brainwashed. 4 times in 2 hours.

100827 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, #1018 of 1269 🔗

Suggest a subscription to Audible. Wuthering Heights read by Patricia Routledge is brilliant, had me in fits of laughter.

100604 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1019 of 1269 🔗


Not sure if posted before.One more jumping ship Prof Woolhouse Edinburgh.Says very reasonable things except at the end with the mantra of testing

100638 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1020 of 1269 🔗

Tide has turned I think. Bloody well hope so anyway.

100714 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1021 of 1269 🔗

At least there’s a kick back in France…


100649 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1022 of 1269 🔗

Read that this morning. Kind of made me chuckle as he’s basically repeating the mistake he made 6 months ago now.

‘Shit, we were wrong to introduce nationwide lockdown, but we couldnt think of anything else!’ – Which is BS as Sweden, thankfully, stands to counter the claim of no other option

Instead of learning from that mistake of not listening to other voices, he continues to ignore those who said lockdown was a mistake all along, and now proceeds to vouch for mass testings, even as those same voices point out the folly of doing this.

Give it another 6 months and the likes of Woolhouse will be back saying ‘whoops! We were wrong to spend hundreds of millions of pounds on mass testing people, it was very expensive and the costs outweighed any potential benefits – oh well. Now… you must all have this vaccine we’ve not really tested properly’ rinse and repeat.

100667 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1023 of 1269 🔗

A bit of a mixed bag – perhaps predictably coming from his specialism.

He seems to be still perpetuating the ‘exceptional’ nature of this pretty unexceptional pandemic by promulgating testing as the saviour from heaven.

From my perspective, track and trace data is not something I would entrust to the hands of any organisation involved in creating this panicdemic.

100821 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1024 of 1269 🔗

I’m not entirely convinced about this.

Woolhouse tells some uncomfortable truths about the harmful effects of lockdown but he’s pushing the testing angle very strongly, when he could be pointing out that the virus has all but vanished.

If your GP can target you as a fatty to get you on de Piffle’s weight loss scheme, they obviously know who the vulnerable are. We shouldn’t need to test in order to protect them.

Has me wondering if we are being trickled the equivalent of a government backdown.

After all, the goal of the whole farce is about control, no doubt to be achieved through incessant testing.

100605 thedarkhorse, replying to thedarkhorse, 12, #1025 of 1269 🔗

Quick update on crowd behaviour….out walking yesterday around Clevedon, North Somerset. The council still has the main seafront barricaded off to cars, but it didn’t stop people parking on double-yellows. Folk down on the stoney beach, a group of paddlers, some dogs. Down the shoreline about half a mile or so, the other crowd-gathering place was in full swing; local outdoor swimming area (two large saltwater ponds); no-one really distancing, cafe tables looked like normal positioning; folk eating, walking dogs, having fun. Ice cream van busy but no social-distance queueing, more of an eager rabble. Just a ghastly Thank You NHS banner hanging over one of the beach-shops (it’s been there months), “never was so much owed by so many….blah blah blah”, utter tripe.
And thankfully no-one stupid enough to be wearing a mask. They only show up in the main part of the town.

100657 ▶▶ RickH, replying to thedarkhorse, 1, #1026 of 1269 🔗

No doubt the pub crawl of my mis-spent youth ( from the Triangle , up the hill and and back down to the sea front) would be an illegal gathering these days. 🙂

100722 ▶▶ Sue, replying to thedarkhorse, 2, #1027 of 1269 🔗

i shall have to cycle over to sunny Clevedon (from bristol) to see a little normality and beach – the cafes on the seafront are always busy though! 🙂

100616 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1028 of 1269 🔗

BBC a bulwark against pandemic of fake news , Tony Hall to argue. Outgoing director general to say corporation can persuade UK public to take up vaccine

The BBC plays such a critical role in countering misinformation that according to international health chiefs it could positively influence the take-up of any vaccine during the Covid-19 pandemic, the broadcaster’s outgoing director general is expected to tell television executives.
Describing two pandemics – one of coronavirus and the other of disinformation spread on social media – Tony Hall will highlight public service broadcasting (PSB) as “vital to democracy” and say its values “have never been more needed.”
In a keynote speech to open the Edinburgh television festival on Monday, Hall is expected to stress that the BBC’s responsibility as the “UK’s most trusted news provider” is to “help bring the nation together”.

Etc, etc, etc

100622 ▶▶ Marie R, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1029 of 1269 🔗

Not according to Trustpilot, see my post just added

100689 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1030 of 1269 🔗

He can say this with a straight face? And surely the BBC shouldn’t be persuading people to take up the vaccine – they should present the case for and against and let people decide for themselves? What has happened to the BBC?

The OH has the Today show on every morning as he gets ready for work. There was a trailer for an upcoming show about ‘code changing’. Code changing is apparently what BAME people have to do to ‘conform’ and get jobs, get promoted etc meaning they have to change their accents and appearance. It was talked about as if this was a new phenomenon that only applies to people from BAME backgrounds. I was doing a law degree back in the 1990’s and one of my professors told me that he’d had to flatten his broad Yorkshire accent to enable himself to get a pupilage and be accepted as a barrister. I would have to do the same should I decide to go down that route. People have been changing accents and appearances to ‘fit in’ and ‘get ahead’ for as long as there has been people. Why does it suddenly need a name to describe it and a program on Radio 4?

100700 ▶▶▶ Marie R, replying to The Spingler, 1, #1031 of 1269 🔗

I said exactly the same thing to my OH. I come from the north but live in the south and my accent has changed but I still say “BATH” and “DUCK ” like a northerner does, but if I were to speak to someone ‘posh ‘ I hear me softening my pronunciation. Code switching huh? Who would have thunk it?

100720 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to The Spingler, #1032 of 1269 🔗

we all have to moderate our behaviour according to the circumstances whether work or social in order to ‘fit in’ and be accepted. Whether it’s clothing, accents or having the latest gadget which seems to be important to younger due to peep pressure etc. It’s called being ‘human’ and been done since we’ve existed. BBC stirring up things again suggesting this is specific to one group in society,

100800 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sue, 1, #1033 of 1269 🔗

This is why the bemuzzled automatically avoid eye contact.

100784 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to The Spingler, 2, #1034 of 1269 🔗

When I moved from Derbyshire to London as ‘ new boy’ for the last year of junior school my classmates decided I was from Scotland and therefore his a dagger in my socks. I chose not to disabuse them.

100717 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1035 of 1269 🔗

Purveyor of fake news! MW

100618 Marie R, replying to Marie R, 6, #1036 of 1269 🔗

I’ve just completed this- took 2 minutes. 93% gives 1 star out of 5. Nearly 7,000 votes. Tick a box to say send results to BBC. Everyone here do it?

100630 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Marie R, #1037 of 1269 🔗

Done it

100632 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Marie R, #1038 of 1269 🔗

Done. They are not smelling of roses at the moment!

100635 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Marie R, #1039 of 1269 🔗


100642 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Marie R, #1040 of 1269 🔗

Also done. Excellent suggestion.

100715 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Country Mumkin, #1041 of 1269 🔗

#me too. MW

100620 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 9, #1042 of 1269 🔗

Why the big fascination with asymptomatic carriers all of a sudden.

I still don’t understand how an asymptomatic person can spread a virus.

Is it because so few people actually have ‘it’ so to keep us obedient we have to be convinced that testing millions of people will find dangerous asymptomatic carriers.

100640 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to stefarm, 3, #1043 of 1269 🔗

Yes. Fear maintenance.

100643 ▶▶ RickH, replying to stefarm, 6, #1044 of 1269 🔗

Fairly obvious ‘why?’.

Symptomatic individuals are so rare, the panicdemic requires a boost from invisible Scarry Faries.

100688 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to RickH, 2, #1045 of 1269 🔗

Indeed. The level of obedience is scary.

100621 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1046 of 1269 🔗

Some twitter does not age well like this from Bahamas Paradise Cruise Line on 10th March thanking Dr Fauci for his support

“We’d like to thank Dr Anthony Fauci of the NIAID for his support of the cruise industry. We’d love to welcome you onboard, Dr Fauci, either with our CEO and Chairman as they sail this coming weekend or anytime in the future. Tourism needs the support of thoughtful, engaged leaders like you, and we appreciate your commentary”

100634 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1047 of 1269 🔗


100631 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #1048 of 1269 🔗

There will be no singing, no indoor PE, and no parents will be allowed past the school gates at certain schools in Northern Ireland as students prepare to return on Monday, with some making the wearing of face masks compulsory.


…. Among the restrictions imposed will be a ban on singing through lessons, she said. “Singing was always part of our lessons and was a way to help children get to grips with numbers and words. But we can’t sing with them because it produces more droplets in the air and so there can’t be singing in class.”

And these supposedly intelligent people are in charge of educating our future.

100650 ▶▶ anon, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1049 of 1269 🔗

singing is dangerous! put your mask on!

cretins. need removing before they inflict any more damage on the young.

100639 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 12, #1050 of 1269 🔗

Does anyone find it an interesting thought that everything our politicians are doing to us, they are doing to themselves? And their children? Sure, maybe those at the top will always have a safe, secure compound to live in, and their kids will always be welcome there, too, but that still isn’t the life that most of them would have wanted. Ex-prime ministers get life-long security, so does that mean they will also have to be moved into the secure compound? Theresa May likes long walks in the countryside. Will she enjoy having her freedom restricted? First, she’ll have to wear a mask at all times, and then stop going out at all.

And the press. They are doing it to themselves, too. Every time they gleefully publish some lunacy calling for masks to be worn at all times in public, they do that to themselves. Every call for a local lockdown moves them one step closer to their own city being locked down. Every sensational story about an Autumn ‘second wave’ moves us closer to a new national lockdown and fresh economic destruction.

Maybe these people really do believe the virus is so terrible it’s worth it..?

100668 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #1051 of 1269 🔗

I think you will find a lot of leaders are childless,Boris being the exception.
Sturgeon,Macron ,Merkel and May all childless

100672 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #1052 of 1269 🔗

Good point. Maybe that’s why he needed those few weeks for ‘adjustment’ when he was supposed to have Covid…

100680 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #1053 of 1269 🔗

Interesting observation. Eurpoean leaders.

100728 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 3, #1054 of 1269 🔗

The list is a lot longer – Netherlands, Sweden (an outlier?), Juncker (replaced by van der Leyen, who is now making up the EU quota of children).

100724 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #1055 of 1269 🔗

The point was well made by Andrea Leadsom in the post-Brexit leadership campaign. Shame Rachel Sylvester thought it was something so shocking she had to be brought down!

100769 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #1056 of 1269 🔗

I doubt many of them believe it is terrible

Despots and their collaborators rarely obey the rules they make up for others

This lot are no different

100819 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Julian, #1057 of 1269 🔗

Government advisors certainly don’t

100852 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Julian, #1058 of 1269 🔗

Yeah. Like the M4 bus lane that Tony Blair introduced. Ministerial cars exempt. Tells you everything you need to know about Labour. Whizzing past while everyone else sat in a jam.

I remind myself of that every time I head to the ballot box.

100651 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 15, #1059 of 1269 🔗


“Prof Toubiana, INSERM epidemiologist: There is no epidemic. There are people carrying virus, they are not sick. An epidemic without sick people, don’t know what it is, never seen one . Masks have no scientific evidence, a pure political choice.”

I think there are videos with him subtitled circulated by Ivor Cummins

100778 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1060 of 1269 🔗

Another French Prof Toussaint in a short video English subtitles


100795 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1061 of 1269 🔗

Brilliant. He really calls it out for what it is!

100652 Gillian, replying to Gillian, 6, #1062 of 1269 🔗

I was looking forward to resuming regular swimming at my local council pool on its re-opening on 14 September but the rules (reproduced below) are stringent. You have to book a slot in advance and its only lane swimming in the main pool (12 feet deep at the deep end, so obviously non-swimmers and younger children excluded). You must complete your swim, get dressed and out the building within 1 hour. No swimming lessons. No cash accepted. Mask wearing until you enter pool and on leaving pool (do you leave your mask at the side of the pool and how do you recognise your mask when you come out among all the others?).

  • Swim Session must be pre-booked
  • Currently, only lane swimming in the main pool until further review
  • Arrive at your booked time, not early or late
  • For your safety, if you do not arrive for your booked time, you will be refused entry
  • Wear your face covering until your activity starts and then again until you leave the facility.
  • You will need to complete your swim and be out of the building within one hour to keep the pool safe and to be fair to all
  • Come “pool ready” if you can, including showering before you set off if possible
  • Where lockers require money to use, please bring the correct change for your locker – our centres are now cashless. so change will not be available from staff.
  • Listen to our staff at all times and follow their instructions
  • Follow one way systems and Covid Secure notices and signage•Respect lane discipline and other swimmers, there may be mixed abilities
  • Bring your own drinking water and hand sanitiser
  • Respect social distancing at all times – Keep 2 metres distance between you and other people
  • Please do not use any equipment that has been placed out of use.
  • You must not go from the Pool to the Gym or exercise class or vice versa. You need separate bookings and you must exit and re-enter using the approved routes
  • There is no equipment available to hire or borrow

Can I bring my children for a swim?
During the interim phase of reopening, we will be focusing on lane swimming. Time slots in these sessions will need to be booked individually and are available for juniors but they must be competent swimmers, able to swim consistently in a lane swimming environment.

100661 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Gillian, 9, #1063 of 1269 🔗

What a load of off putting bullshit!

100662 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Gillian, 4, #1064 of 1269 🔗

No point asking if they’ve got any spare swimwear if you forget yours then ?

100665 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Gillian, 7, #1065 of 1269 🔗

Pulling ones own fingernails out would be a more appealing leisure activity

100666 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Gillian, 6, #1066 of 1269 🔗

Not being a swimmer in many years this may be naive but. Do masks stop or pass on verrucas? The reason I ask is because leaving a mask beside a council swimming pool for use later in the day is extraordinary. I am of a mind that all waterproof plasters this side of Antioch fall off and float to the sides of council swimming pools. Perhaps they’ve improved latterly.

100771 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 2, #1067 of 1269 🔗

Seems you are not allowed to have a shower before swimming, last time I went out was compulsory.

100669 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Gillian, 3, #1068 of 1269 🔗

totally ridiculous

100676 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Gillian, 7, #1069 of 1269 🔗

Good grief. You’d be better off driving to the coast and just waiting for the tide to come in.

100721 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Gillian, 5, #1070 of 1269 🔗

Still allowed to wee in the pool I’m glad to see

100774 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, #1071 of 1269 🔗

Sadly they removed most diving boards so not as much fun.

100777 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Gillian, 2, #1072 of 1269 🔗

Didn’t read it all, are you still allowed to pee in the pool?

100664 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 9, #1073 of 1269 🔗

The Rachel Johnson piece the other day was fascinating. Clearly, she does not / cannot speak to her brother about anything important, and I presume that has been true ever since he became a notable politician.

When they were kids, I’ll bet they never thought there’d ever be a time when that would happen. But it even happens to us plebs. I never thought there would be a time when my brother and I wouldn’t be in constant contact, and I probably thought we would spend our weekends making kites and silly cine films forever. But I now see him once a year at most, and I can’t talk to him about Covid…

100679 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #1074 of 1269 🔗

Same here although am lucky to have one sound brother and a sister who are semi sceptic. There are friends and family members who have bought into things totally.

100673 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 6, #1075 of 1269 🔗

ABTA warns of 90,000 job losses in travel sector, nearly 40,000 already lost:


100678 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Sarigan, 7, #1076 of 1269 🔗

It’s what Greta wanted!

100681 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1077 of 1269 🔗

Sadly, you are probably correct. Qantas have parked their A380 for up to 3 years and will not be flying internationally until mid 2021 at the earliest. How dare you Greta!!

100706 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 7, #1078 of 1269 🔗

Sad loss of jobs and opportunities. I can’t help thinking there is some kind of connection between the ‘green’ movement and the continuing hysteria of this virus which is killing the travel industry – is it on purpose? Is it the plan that future travel will be so expensive that only the wealthy will be able to afford it?
All part of the ‘great plan’ – makes you wonder!!

100713 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Sue, 11, #1079 of 1269 🔗

They are all ex-communists/Marxists. If you control energy, you control the economy. The ‘science’ behind the climate change bandwagon would have us believe that man can control the sun, sea and land. The ‘science’ behind the pandemic lockdown bandwagon would have us believe that man can control where a virus goes and what it does when it gets there. Same arrogance, same stupidity!

100723 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Sue, 5, #1080 of 1269 🔗

The insane quarantine policy only makes sense as a tool to destroy the aviation and tourism industry.

100793 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1081 of 1269 🔗

What Greta wants,Great gets.

100677 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #1082 of 1269 🔗


This video showing Dutch police response to two women is surreal. The police seemed to be dressed as the police in the filmed version of 1984. Difficult to understand but I think this is a anti corona response demonstration but not sure. But not behaving like gentlemen.
Somebody knowing Dutch best to give a definite answer

100682 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1083 of 1269 🔗


100686 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1084 of 1269 🔗

The courage of the younger woman was impressive.

100695 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1085 of 1269 🔗

If you give your police paramilitary powers, you should also subject them to military law.

100698 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1086 of 1269 🔗

It would be great if someone could track those two women down and see if they would be willing to write their account on here!

100734 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Steeve, 4, #1087 of 1269 🔗

It would be great if someone could track down those two paramilitary thugs, and throw them behind bars where they belong.

100701 ▶▶ Sue, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1088 of 1269 🔗

wow that was totally out of order – they weren’t even provoked by the ladies for the police to strike them.

100703 ▶▶ mjr, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1089 of 1269 🔗

surprising the number of comments are accepting of this – along the lines of “they shouldnt be there, they disobeyed the police so violent assault by a riot cop is justified”. Maybe they shouldnt be there but the police violence is over the top.

100752 ▶▶ Michel, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1090 of 1269 🔗

Seeing this makes me ashamed of being Dutch…how these policeofficers can live with themselves is beyond me!

100772 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1091 of 1269 🔗

Ugh. I was thinking of taking the family to Amsterdam for a city break at some point. Thinking again about that now.

Sweden looking far better AND I have family there.

100808 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Sophie123, #1092 of 1269 🔗

Stockholm’s a nicer city than Amsterdam anyway.

100773 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1093 of 1269 🔗

Am I seeing things or did he really hit her across the face with a baton?

100788 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1094 of 1269 🔗

He did,big brave bastard,he did it with some force aswell and across her legs.

100794 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Paul, 1, #1095 of 1269 🔗

Wouldn’t they have been better off if we hadn’t kicked the Germans out?

100899 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, #1096 of 1269 🔗

Perhaps the poor woman reminded the police goon of Anne Frank.

100943 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ peter, replying to JohnB, #1097 of 1269 🔗

It was Dutch police who arrested Anne Frank, one of them still worked for the force until 1980.

100792 ▶▶ Paul, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1098 of 1269 🔗

Absolutely disgusting,I would expect to see that in China but not in the Netherlands.Police all over the world are just bully boys of the state now,I really hope it all comes back to haunt them and as soon as possible.

100868 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to swedenborg, #1099 of 1269 🔗

I think that pretty soon we are going to be very glad that our own police are relatively toothless and undermanned. What is happening is looking more and more like fiction that you thought could never really happen.

100685 4096, replying to 4096, 9, #1100 of 1269 🔗

I’m as anti conspiracy theory as they come and in fact I hate all those NWO and other moronic cranks who pollute and dumb down the anti-lockdown message by their insane theories.
This: https://twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/1270925788389486593
however, is really thought-provoking and utterly terrifying. The most chilling thing I’ve read sine this whole madness started. At least some of it must be true.

100693 ▶▶ watashi, replying to 4096, 1, #1101 of 1269 🔗


100708 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to 4096, 2, #1102 of 1269 🔗

Also not a conspiracy fan, but find this terrifyingly plausible. I would hope our security services would have been all over this?

100719 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Charlie Blue, #1103 of 1269 🔗

Ha ha ha. Oh, you’re serious, let me laugh harder.

100709 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to 4096, 3, #1104 of 1269 🔗

The more you search the more you will find and the more you will dig and so on.

It will certainly lead you to some strange, dark places.

100716 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to 4096, #1105 of 1269 🔗

Not too keen on your drivel either matey.

100718 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to 4096, 4, #1106 of 1269 🔗

I agree that the case against lockdown can be made on its own terms with all the information that is already out there.
What gives rise to the conspiracy theories is that the government are aware of this as well,so why the continuation here and abroad of this insane economy wrecking measures.
Whether this whole thing was planned or not I don’t think we will ever know,but there are a number of different interests who are actively using the crisis to conspire against the public,that is undeniable fact.

100727 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #1107 of 1269 🔗

Whether this whole thing was planned or not I don’t think we will ever know

There’s a lot to be said for the “does it look like a duck ? does it walk like a duck ? does it quack ?” approach …

100733 ▶▶ 4096, replying to 4096, #1108 of 1269 🔗

Btw for those with an understandable aversion to clicking on anything that sounds like a conspiracy theory – it’s about China using its influence and a social media camping with fake accounts to promote lockdowns.

100783 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to 4096, 1, #1109 of 1269 🔗

What’s worrying is how eager people are to forward the propaganda. The man who “dropped dead” clearly pushed himself forward quite energetically!

100813 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to 4096, #1110 of 1269 🔗

I am with you there.

I am so glad I don’t use twitter. Politicians would be wise to follow suit.

100690 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 11, #1111 of 1269 🔗

Why has the government and the mass media colluded in creating mass irrational hysteria and fear, wrecking the economy, peoples livelihoods, childrens education, and killing tens of thousands of people as a consequence of the lockdown experiment?

100704 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Major Panic, 3, #1112 of 1269 🔗

Hopefully we’ll find out when we get the Royal Commission.

100712 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Major Panic, 4, #1113 of 1269 🔗

Global reset.

100790 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Major Panic, 4, #1114 of 1269 🔗

Best guess, for now, initial incompetence and cowardice, followed by a combination of not wanting to be found out, and a liking for easy power. Basic human weakness and character flaws. And of course lots of other organisations and businesses nationally and globally using this as an opportunity for pushing their own agendas.

100696 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 17, #1115 of 1269 🔗

The Bun, more sceptical articles & I think, a reflection of the mood of large parts of the country.


Motorway services last week during early morning rush hour ( ie before the homeworkers alarms have rung ), 80% unmasked. Of those going in with masks, at least 1/2 removed them when they saw they were outnumbered.

The tide is turning quickly

100702 ▶▶ Marie R, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #1116 of 1269 🔗

And see comments

100730 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Marie R, 3, #1117 of 1269 🔗

Yeah, comments are looking more like LS comments 👍

100705 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #1118 of 1269 🔗

Good, isn’t it? 😃

100707 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1119 of 1269 🔗

Please keep bumping this. Most of the comments are ranting about leftwing wokeness and anti-Brtishness.
It would be a good place to get some comments pointing to their fearmongering covid propaganda. Please have a go. Doesn’t take long:

I’ve just completed this- took 2 minutes. 93% gives 1 star out of 5. Nearly 7,000 votes. Tick a box to say send results to BBC. Everyone here do it?

100726 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, #1120 of 1269 🔗

Most of the comments are ranting about leftwing wokeness and anti-Brtishness”

Yes – I noticed this, so just binned it, as it has obviously become mainly just a repository for frothing incontinence that no-one will take seriously.

100729 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1121 of 1269 🔗

One man’s “rant” is another’s forceful critique. As far as I’m concerned, both criticisms of the poisonous nature of BBC coverage are valid. The only difference is the woke and anti-British stuff has been going on for decades whereas the covid stuff is (obviously) very recent.

The point of the exercise is presumably to stop the BBC’s harmful activities, and in the end that will only be done by defunding and selling it off, which should have been done 50 years ago..

100775 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, #1122 of 1269 🔗

One man’s “rant” is another’s forceful critique.”

…. or just a rant.

My comment is based on the evidence. The last thing the Beeb is is ‘left wing’, even if it doesn’t fit the simplistic ‘right wing’ term, either. All considered research and discourse analysis shows it to be essentially aligned with ‘establishment’ views. Which fits the Covid narrative, and much else.

Tom Mills : “The BBC – Myth of a Public Service” gives a good historical overview, and the work of the Glasgow Media Group can give a good insight into particular areas of bias.

100785 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 7, #1123 of 1269 🔗

I have no doubt whatsoever that plenty of people would describe most of the informed and forceful critiques on here as “rants”, because such judgements are almost invariably made subjectively. “Rant” is basically just another smear term designed to delegitimise stuff you disagree with.

No, the BBC is objectively left wing. The fact that, as we know, its employees skew massively to Labour/LibDem supporters, and include very few “Conservative” supporters, who experience an extremely uncomfortable environment, makes that clear to anybody not in plain denial of a truth they find inconvenient.It has historically pushed left wing ideas (most of which are now mainstream, in large part because of pushing by the BBC and other powerful propaganda organs). You don’t notice or mind it because you are yourself objectively left wing and so to you it’s just “obvious truth” or “plain decency”. But in reality it has been political indoctrination, plain and simple.

The BBC is also an establishment organ, which led to some dissonance in the organisation in the mid-C20th, but that has now been resolved by the establishment becoming fully left wing.

100747 ▶▶ JoeBlogg, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1124 of 1269 🔗


100710 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 10, #1125 of 1269 🔗

More encouraging news from Ivor, this time France


100735 ▶▶ ScooBieDee, replying to T. Prince, 2, #1126 of 1269 🔗

A great interview. Well worth a watch – clear and lucid.

100824 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to ScooBieDee, 3, #1127 of 1269 🔗

The interviewer is like a rabbit in headlights – “you can’t say that…”

100741 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to T. Prince, 11, #1128 of 1269 🔗

Great comment…

Is the Second Wave panic promoted because, for the politicians and officials and media, it can’t just end like this? They have turned the world upside down and driven the population into a state of panic. If it ends now they are retroactive chumps.

100812 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #1129 of 1269 🔗

This will end like the schooldays of last years sixth formers one day they went home and that was that.

100746 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to T. Prince, 4, #1130 of 1269 🔗

Superb analysis and he conveys the message perfectly and professionally. One to share for sure.

100749 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to T. Prince, 2, #1131 of 1269 🔗

Just watched this. V good.

100871 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to T. Prince, #1132 of 1269 🔗

Excellent interview – the guy sums it up perfectly.

100731 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 20, #1133 of 1269 🔗

I note Prof Whitty looking very uncomfortable during his latest pronouncement. Realised the monster you helped create is now getting hungry, Professor?

100737 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #1134 of 1269 🔗

Whitty has often looked uncomfortable while delivering the party line. He’s often let things slip that Wankock has had to go out of his way to refute.
Tends to make me wonder what hold they have over him.

100755 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1135 of 1269 🔗

His job?

100756 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1136 of 1269 🔗

promised knighthood?

100763 ▶▶▶ Gillian, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1137 of 1269 🔗

He looks kind of strange. As if he could have been Dr Spock’s cousin in Star Trek. Maybe he is.

100764 ▶▶▶ Gillian, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1138 of 1269 🔗

I do think Whitty is a far weaker link than b’stard Vallance. You could see Whitty breaking under the pressure and spilling the beans, not Vallance. Vallance will go to the gallows protesting his innocence.

100796 ▶▶▶▶ tonys, replying to Gillian, 4, #1139 of 1269 🔗

Whitty volunteered the information that pubs might have to close to keep schools open, which proves he’s a total crank, not that that singles him out amongst the SAGE crackpots and fanatics

100805 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to tonys, 8, #1140 of 1269 🔗

This has now been said too many times, by too many SAGE idiots for me to think for a minute that it’s not going to happen.

If they close pubs in September, presumably for the whole of the autumn term, that means pubs are gone. Forever. And that would be a cultural tragedy. And on a practical note, it also means that all of that “eat out to help out” money will have been simply pissed up the wall, to no benefit.

100820 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to matt, 3, #1141 of 1269 🔗

Just another industry to be destroyed as far as this government is concerned. Soon we will have nothing left.

100865 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to matt, 2, #1142 of 1269 🔗

They’re not idiots. They just have another agenda, e.g. there’s at least one confirmed communist advising the government.

100882 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Gillian, #1143 of 1269 🔗

Nah, we’ll gag him.

100738 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 5, #1144 of 1269 🔗

This….in France. Very depressing


100740 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to T. Prince, 15, #1145 of 1269 🔗

This stopped being about a virus when we went into lockdown.

When will people realise, I fear it will be too late when they do.

100758 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to stefarm, 8, #1146 of 1269 🔗

Very brave police,stormtroopers of the regime,I hope they realise that eventually it will be them and their families on the receiving end of this kind of treatment if this madness isn’t stopped,they are just expendable useful idiots and they can’t see it.

100743 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to T. Prince, 5, #1147 of 1269 🔗

How anyone can watch this sort of thing and think it is acceptable is beyond me. Yet I’m sure there are plenty who somehow feel this is perfectly justified.

100760 ▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to Chicot, 11, #1148 of 1269 🔗

Well you see the reaction to needless quarantine being introduced coming back from holidays and the average selfish twat response is ‘serves them right’. These people will never accept that what they’re enabling is disgusting fascist police state behaviour.

100744 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to T. Prince, 10, #1149 of 1269 🔗

A French writer (can’t remember who) once said; “the policeman and the terrorist are from the same basket”.

100745 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1150 of 1269 🔗

It was Joseph Conrad.

100830 ▶▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1151 of 1269 🔗

In The Secret Agent . BTW he was a Pole.

Sequel to the video above:


100847 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Simon Dutton, 1, #1152 of 1269 🔗

Yes, Polish, as you say. I think we did the story for GCE English Lit (as it was then). It was a very prophetic statement.

100754 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to T. Prince, 1, #1153 of 1269 🔗

What goes on in France, stays in France and not in the UK, now

100757 ▶▶ wendy, replying to T. Prince, 2, #1154 of 1269 🔗

Wow, he gets it over in a very powerful way. It is definitely turning. My feeling is by October something is going to give.

100761 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to wendy, #1155 of 1269 🔗

Sorry I’ve put this under the wrong french clip. And too late to edit

100766 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to wendy, #1156 of 1269 🔗

Yes, I was feeling quite hopeful until I saw the riot police in that bar….

100767 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to T. Prince, 7, #1157 of 1269 🔗

For not obeying social distancing and what do they do, charge in and make everyone pack closer together and shout! Disgusting abuse of power by the Fun Police.

100770 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Sarigan, 6, #1158 of 1269 🔗

It was the use of batons against people that were only enjoying watching football that really sickened me

100780 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to T. Prince, 4, #1159 of 1269 🔗

I can’t work it out from the uniforms. Are they police or gendarmes? Both are pretty militarized, but the latter more so. As it’s central Paris, probably the former, but I’d be interested to know.

The French have always had a funny relationship with their police forces. “Police = milice” used to be a pretty common piece of graffiti around France (the Milice having being a paramilitary anti-resistance organisation created by the Vichy government).

100802 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to matt, 2, #1160 of 1269 🔗

Had the look of the goons you usually see beating up the Yellow Vest protestors – Compagnies Républicaines de Sécurité. They have inflicted a long list of life changing injuries on citizens over the years.

100791 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to T. Prince, 2, #1161 of 1269 🔗

What goes round comes round

100799 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to T. Prince, 7, #1162 of 1269 🔗

I was horrified but not surprised when I saw this. The police worldwide have been an absolute disgrace. What terrifies me the most is that the public seem to think the police are doing the right thing – people seem to love authoritarianism – especially if it is a left wing government in power. I can imagine the likes of Piers Morgan cheering on the police from home.

100806 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to T. Prince, 2, #1163 of 1269 🔗

Perhaps that is what sparked off what the beeb are reporting as a riot after the match.

100814 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to karenovirus, 3, #1164 of 1269 🔗

Wouldn’t trust a word the BBC says now, they misreport and put their own spin on so many stories now. I can’t imagine the BBC condoning sending riot police into a bar to enforce social distancing and causing panic – unless it is in Belarus perhaps.

100848 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to T. Prince, 4, #1165 of 1269 🔗

The majority of those in the bar looked too young to be affected by the virus. Getting them to mix and get herd immunity would be a good idea, I would have thought, if this really was about the virus and not authoritarian control.

100954 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to T. Prince, #1166 of 1269 🔗


100748 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 8, #1167 of 1269 🔗

Fuck me, captain Tom to be interviewed by piers Morgan for the life stories show.

Capt Tom – ‘well piers I was in the army, had a job, appeared on blankety blank (true btw) and then was coerced by my children to walk up and down my garden and then sang a duet with Michael Ball. It was all downhill after blankety blank, my life not my garden’

100781 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to stefarm, 9, #1168 of 1269 🔗

Then the government spaffed my donation up the wall through a mixture of corruption and incompetence.

100815 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1169 of 1269 🔗


100750 wendy, replying to wendy, 18, #1170 of 1269 🔗

A little report on my dealings with my GP and dentist for the first time since March. Phones answered promptly, receptionists relaxed, one at the dentist was singing. I asked about any special instructions for the GP appointment she said oh there’s nothing just a basic face covering.

Dentist not yet able to take bookings for checkups as dealing with the backlog so I am to ring back in September. She did offer to have a dentist ring me but it can wait a few more weeks.

My appointments are not urgent so no problem for me to wait, unlike others. What I wanted to report back on was how very relaxed, cheerful and without fear the staff were and these are inner city practices in the northern lockdown area all be it not one of the epicentre towns.

The fear is being manufactured by government, other political factions and MSM. I am sure this will all turn soon especially if there are no rises in admissions or deaths and our lovely professor Heneghan keeps up the irrefutable drip drip of pressure.

100911 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to wendy, 1, #1171 of 1269 🔗

Good to hear but pity about the face-covering though. Our GP practice is nothing like normal but AG managed to get his bloods taken without a mask (in the ‘tent’ outside!) MW

100751 Edna, replying to Edna, 7, #1172 of 1269 🔗

Sorry if this has been shared before – too many comments now to look at them all! Great piece from Sky News Australia, again 🙂

100776 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Edna, 3, #1173 of 1269 🔗

Spot on.
Why don’t we get that here?

100842 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Edna, #1174 of 1269 🔗

Thank goodness for Alan Jones (and LS of course). Compared with the ABC promoting this drivel from the Communist State of Victoria:


100762 Thomas_E, replying to Thomas_E, 21, #1176 of 1269 🔗

Quick report from my weekend trip to Central London..Took a train to London Bridge ( mask-less, no lanyard) without any issues. A couple of strange glances but no comments and people just minding their business. Then changed to go on the Tube, past the security gads, no challenge , one of them even winked at me and gave me the thumbs up when he saw me without a mask ( could he be a LS?). Took a trip to central London, again a couple of strange glance and most people wearing their mask on their chin or under their nose, so completely useless but I had a feeling they are wearing it because they were told so. Just warrants a mention that I did not see any other person without a mask . While in London went to several shops and not been asked once for a mask..Security guards just nodded so I think they got a message that people are exempt and not to bother them.

All in all relaxing for me but the whole thing has a feeling of dystopian Sci fi film…People in masks, no eye contact, no energy …cattle waiting to be told what to do. I swear if the government told them to all wear orange jump suits and hope on one leg, the majority would do it without questioning. I despair to what happend to my country, but the fight goes on. See you all on Saturday.

100782 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Thomas_E, 12, #1177 of 1269 🔗

I was pleasantly surprised how normal central London was. Marylebone High Street was great, restaurants were busy, the sun was out, people were out and about, it was normal. I think that people actually know that the pandemic is over.

100797 ▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #1178 of 1269 🔗


100804 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #1179 of 1269 🔗

I just got off the tube. I saw 2 other mask-free people.
I got challenged in Peter Jones but saw the doorman off with a swift “I’m exempt” and a contemptuous look.

100835 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #1180 of 1269 🔗

Well done that’s excellent news.

100765 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #1181 of 1269 🔗


Extremely useful slide for the information about France just now.Most cases among 20-39 years.Getting herdimmunity with masks and partying

100866 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1182 of 1269 🔗

We all need to party and have some fun, the country has become too miserable and depressed.

100890 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #1183 of 1269 🔗

Yeah, quite agree. Lockdown lovers should get out more!

100902 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #1184 of 1269 🔗

But preferably without a mask on! MW

100786 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #1185 of 1269 🔗


We knew this was going on a couple of months ago. Imagine if BAME people were singled out for DNRs? The DT wouldn’t allow comments on this article.

100798 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #1186 of 1269 🔗

And those of us who refuse to wear muzzles are called granny killers.

100803 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bella Donna, #1187 of 1269 🔗

BAME people are much better at looking after their elders than the natives

100877 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, #1188 of 1269 🔗

What ?

100851 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #1189 of 1269 🔗

As a society we desparately need to have some grown up conversations about death. We all need to discuss and understand more about good ways to die and bad ways to die. What is acceptable? What does resuscitation look like for the majority of the frail elderly? Does it help or cause many more problems down the line? Does it even work?

When Boris set out the herd immunity plan back in March, I was behind this idea, and hoped (obviously stupidly) that we might be on the brink of seeing proper discussion of these types of topics in the media.

Blanket DNRs driven by a panicked NHS management are repugnant, but individually they are useful. If I was in a care home in poor health I would be happy to have one.

100858 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to DressageRider, 3, #1190 of 1269 🔗

I’d agree with your last point,but it’s more than just blanket DNRs. There are allegations that some hospitals were refusing to treat the residents for anything at all.

100857 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #1191 of 1269 🔗

Took long enough for the media to catch up.

100787 Smileits1984, replying to Smileits1984, 22, #1192 of 1269 🔗

It’s like the world is suffering from OCD – obsessive covid disorder

100826 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Smileits1984, 6, #1193 of 1269 🔗

They’re turning our country into a Nation of anxiety ridden ninnies. I promised myself I wouldn’t contact my MP again but couldn’t stop myself from doing so today.

100801 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 10, #1194 of 1269 🔗

Some drudge on R4 this morning. Because the Covid this years Proms will be audience free, what an ideal opportunity to rid the proms of Rule Britannia.
The very words Britains Shall Not Be Slaves give the hidden message that other people can be…
At which point I cancelled her.

100807 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to karenovirus, 8, #1195 of 1269 🔗

Land of Hope and Glory and Rule Britannia were always on borrowed time after the referendum. I can’t imagine any country in the EU willingly destroying their culture and history like we do – it seems confined to the US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the UK.

100822 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Darryl, 9, #1196 of 1269 🔗

As a musician, supporter of the Proms and left of centre, the nonsense about these two pieces is ridiculous. I’d find much of the Bible offensive garbage from a past age if I was daft enough to take iron age middle eastern myths seriously- but I’d never want to remove it from view.

Both the Sea Songs and Pomp and Circumstance 1 get played with a heavy doses of self-mocking irony. And they’re full of stomping good tunes.

Total bollocks that does worthy causes no good.

100843 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to RickH, 6, #1197 of 1269 🔗

What’s wrong with the Sea Songs (or Sea Pictures I think they’re called)? I didn’t know there was any need for irony or nationalism or anything in them.

100880 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to guy153, 3, #1198 of 1269 🔗

The ‘Sea Pictures’ is another work – a set of songs by Elgar. The ‘Sea Songs are the rollicking good set of tunes set by Henry Wood as a suite. Simply good fun. But important to the Proms because of Wood’s role in founding the series : he was a tremendously significant English musician in the first half of the 20th Century. The tune is history – to the point of being used by Beethoven in his ‘Wellington’s Victory.

As to the fundamental question … the irony of ‘Rule Britannia’ simply resides in the inflated sense of self-importance inherent in its 18th C. mythology. Just daft in today’s context.

But hey-ho – that’s history, and I couldn’t give a flying f. – even if the bit about ‘Britons never being ‘slaves’ hangs heavy in the air as a good proportion of the population crawl around in obeisance to Covid. 🙂

As far as I’m concerned – anyone who is offended can buy ear plugs – but, as with Covid – don’t expect me to shape my life to suit your decision to be ‘endangered’.

100900 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to RickH, 1, #1199 of 1269 🔗

Thanks. Don’t think I’ve heard the Sea Songs but I really like the Pictures!

100997 ▶▶▶▶ JYC, replying to RickH, 1, #1200 of 1269 🔗

This is a genuine question. What is your view of Jesus Christ, as recounted in the Bible? When He spoke, He referred back to several parts of the Old Testament (e.g. the Ten Commandments, King Solomon, the prophet Jonah) and clearly took it seriously.

100811 ▶▶ JYC, replying to karenovirus, 10, #1201 of 1269 🔗

Presumably the irony of singing that Britons will never be slaves after the unquestioning compliance with the Covid measures would be lost on them.

100809 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 14, #1202 of 1269 🔗

There are two clips on here that are disturbing

In the first a Dutch paramilitary hits a peaceful woman across the face with a long baton. The woman had her hands at her side and was absolutely no threat him. If I had not seen it with my own eyes I would not have believed it

The second show paramilitary police in Paris enter a bar. The crowd in the bar are entirely peaceful. The police start lashing out with long batons, making many run a gauntlet of baton wielders with their hands in the air

The authorities may get away with this in the short term.

I only advocate peaceful resistance

However the resentment will build and people will decide to fight back. It is how ‘terrorist’ organisations are born

100823 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Cecil B, 9, #1203 of 1269 🔗

try Spain the Guarda Civil haven’t enjoyed themselves so much since Franco died

100825 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to 6097 Smith W, 3, #1204 of 1269 🔗

They got a taste for the ‘new normal’ on the crowds of women, children and the elderly in Barcelona a few years ago.

100837 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to 6097 Smith W, 4, #1205 of 1269 🔗

I think there are some in Spanish officialdom who hark back to the good old Franco days – an economic depression and a population controlled through fear is a route back to facism

100861 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, 3, #1206 of 1269 🔗

You have a good point.

I love Spain; I have always enjoyed time spent there, and foungd it generally a very civilized environment, with great food and great lanscape. Usually ther only reservation has been embarrassment at UK tourists displaying cultural blindness – but fortunately that’s mostly confined to the ‘Costa Crap’ strip on the east coast.

But the country does have a dark underbelly in the Franco years and the fascism of that period.

… and that is the problem when totalitarianism is allowed once again to come out of its burrow – it can begin to devour society again – and that is what we are seeing with the Covid monster.

101044 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to 6097 Smith W, #1207 of 1269 🔗

Guardia Civil pointed a machine pistol at me for trying to take a tourist photo of them once shortly after fat fuck Franco died.

100828 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1208 of 1269 🔗

The paramilitary riot police are not hitting protesters in the Belarus dictatorship (so far) yet peaceful pub goers in Paris and peaceful ladies in the netherlands are being violently assaulted by paramilitary riot police – strange times….

100829 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1209 of 1269 🔗

Peaceful resistance doesn’t get you anywhere. Our Establishment has had it far too easy.

100870 ▶▶ anon, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1210 of 1269 🔗

the baton on the Dutch lady (girl?) was absolutely disgusting and made / makes me feel physically sick

I think he smacked her on the leg too. that has got to be v painful. she looked pretty skinny to me.

I would like to meet the scum that did this. so angry and sickened

100810 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1211 of 1269 🔗

Found this out today:

The House of Commons Information office says that MPs are responsible to constituents, Parliament and the political party they are affiliated to.


So writing to them saying you require them to vote a certain way in Parliament is the correct way of giving them instructions of what their constituents require them to do.

There as something on UKColumn about this a month or so ago I recall watching.

100816 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1212 of 1269 🔗

You can’t give your MP ‘instructions’ – nor should you be able to. It’s not the way representative democracy works. The fact that the process is flawed in other ways doesn’t undermine that principle.

100854 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to RickH, 1, #1213 of 1269 🔗

Yes, but they are there as the representative of their constituents, not to represent the political party and to ignore the constituents.

100818 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1214 of 1269 🔗

You can’t “require” your MP to do anything, either in practice or as a matter of moral duty. He’s elected as a representative, not a delegate. The most you can do is vote for someone else next time.

100833 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mark, 1, #1215 of 1269 🔗

The thing is in the wording: “responsible to”.

Dictionary definition of responsible: answerable or accountable

liable to be called on to answer
: liable to be called to account as the primary cause, motive , or agent
a committee responsible for the job

So under them wording their first responsibility is to their constituents and being accountable to means explaining why they did not vote or act as per their constituent’s wishes.

This is why it is important to contact your MP with your intentions as if they receive different “instructions” they will have to act on the one with the most correspondence I’m guessing.

This is why vocal minorities seem to win, the silent majority do not make their wishes known so never get represented.

Then I saw this as well which is interesting:

: politically answerable especially : required to submit to the electorate if defeated by the legislature —used especially of the British cabinet

100864 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1216 of 1269 🔗

Yes, that Parliamentary leaflet is badly written, and they use the term “responsible to” rather loosely, because they don’t make clear that the only manner in which an MP is ultimately liable to be called to account by his constituents is at the next election.

You are perfectly correct that one should let one’s MP know of one’s views, and one can inform him and try to persuade him to follow your wishes, but you cannot “require” him to do so.

An MP is not required to do anything other than exercise his judgement as the elected representative of his constituents. He is elected as, supposedly, someone his electorate trust to represent them adequately by doing just that.

His constituency members have no recourse against him even if every single one of them were to march to Parliament to demand he voted a particular way and he refused, except to vote someone else in at the next election.

This is one reason I regard political parties as a pollution of our basic democracy. It confuses MPs’ loyalties, and makes people think they are voting to govern in detail, rather than what they are doing, which is to elect a member of a representative government.

100883 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mark, 3, #1217 of 1269 🔗

That’s why I believe the whip system needs to go and vote for true independents if I can.

100895 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1218 of 1269 🔗

Yes. I’d like to flat out forbid party organisations. Let it all be done at a human level, in each constituency.

100903 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Mark, 1, #1219 of 1269 🔗

The alliance4unity is Scotland has an interesting policy that anyone elected will then sit as an independent. They have to treated as a ‘party’ for the election of course because of Blair’s PR system…

100887 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Mark, 2, #1220 of 1269 🔗

This is why I’ve always objected to the US-presidential style Prime Ministerial debates. You aren’t voting for the person who leads the party, you’re voting for the individual who you most want to represent you in parliament.

100896 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to matt, #1221 of 1269 🔗

Me too.

100879 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Mark, 1, #1222 of 1269 🔗

Which is what Edmund Burke’s constituents did shortly after he formulated that principle.

100831 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 11, #1223 of 1269 🔗

“Early in life I have noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper …”
George Orwell, Homage to Catalonia

Daily Mail: “100 nudists test positive for Covid-19 after ‘very worrying’ outbreak at French naturist resort – despite wearing face masks” –

When you read it it says 95.

100839 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #1224 of 1269 🔗

Haha! You couldn’t write it!

100889 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #1225 of 1269 🔗

If one is wearing a face mask, one isn’t nude.

100832 RickH, replying to RickH, 22, #1226 of 1269 🔗

Just noticed this in my passing survey of The Groan.

A police chief has warned that people are acting like “the virus isn’t out there” after a weekend of illegal gatherings in the West Midlands”

He really shouldn’t be endorsing the image of the dim Mr Plod.

Here is the news :


100840 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to RickH, 12, #1227 of 1269 🔗

Yes but some people were guilty of trying to have fun.

100867 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to NappyFace, 1, #1228 of 1269 🔗

Der ‘vun’ ist verboten!

100846 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to RickH, 2, #1229 of 1269 🔗

I wonder how many of these police chiefs have had gatherings in their gardens?

100855 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #1230 of 1269 🔗

most of them meet up ‘down the lodge’

100853 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to RickH, 13, #1231 of 1269 🔗

Not my bag (too old now) but I see these illegal raves as a triumph of the human spirit.

100875 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1232 of 1269 🔗

I am too old for these things too, but if I knew of one I’d be there in a shot.

100912 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1233 of 1269 🔗

Brilliantly said.

100849 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 8, #1234 of 1269 🔗


“This front-line, clearly expert Spanish doctor reveals the reality around the truly massive media madness going on at the moment. He explains the actual reality, and the interviewer is thrown into confusion…!”

Apologies if this has already been posted earlier.

The second studio journalist was more interested in berating the doctor who was being interviewed. Another Piers Morgan, but Spanish….Do they go to some training school where they practice lecturing and shouting down anyone not agreeing with them??

100874 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Lms23, 4, #1235 of 1269 🔗

“I was in the hospital, my friend, and you were in the Studio.”

100907 ▶▶ Pcenkman, replying to Lms23, #1236 of 1269 🔗

Did you catch what he said about September lockdown again in spain? 4:40 mark!

100850 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 9, #1237 of 1269 🔗

‘The term conspiracy theory is simply used to rubbish information as incorrect by those that don’t agree with, or don’t want the information to be taken seriously. It in no way dictates the truth of the subject’

seen on Twitter

100888 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #1238 of 1269 🔗

Yes. Along with ‘right-wing/alt-right libertarian’, ‘anti-vaxxer’, ‘vaccine-denier’. It’s tedious. We’ve started countering this by pointing out that, if the facts are there in plain sight (i.e. on a Government or organisation website) it is not conspiracy theory, it’s conspiracy data. conspiracy evidence or conspiracy fact (we vary it a bit!) MW

100901 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #1239 of 1269 🔗

A conspiracy theorist is increasingly anyone who asks questions about common widely accepted dogmas/ideas/societal norms.

100921 ▶▶ Basics, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #1240 of 1269 🔗

It is said to have been put into general circulation as a way of plugging up questions surrounding JFK. Attributed to the CIA. I cannot recall if the term itself predates the assasination in Texas or not.

Point was, the label functioned as a stop to conversation. To rubbish earnestly asked questions. Point now is that the label is loosing it’s stopping power as people realise conspiracies are all around us. Just the kind and size of conspiracy is now debated not that there isn’t one.

Of course tinfoil hat has populated our lexicon and probably functions in the same was as conspiracy theory used to.

100862 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #1241 of 1269 🔗


Greater Manchester Police
You must wear a face covering (unless exempt) on public transport, in shops and supermarkets, and other enclosed spaces. This is both for your safety and the safety of others.

More info

Because your link points to this:

The best available scientific evidence is that, when used correctly, wearing a face covering may reduce the spread of coronavirus droplets in certain circumstances, helping to protect others .
Because face coverings are mainly intended to protect others, not the wearer , from coronavirus (COVID-19)…

Anytime you need help, GMP…

100873 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #1242 of 1269 🔗

Send them the DELVE report that contradicts this and that states there have been NO RCTs using humans performed to ascertain if masks do cut human transmission of covid-19.

100863 Telpin, 12, #1243 of 1269 🔗

Listening to ‘ Jennifer ‘ now on talk radio live 12.52). A breath of fresh air! Advocating mass civil disobedience! 😃

100876 Paul, replying to Paul, 14, #1244 of 1269 🔗

A local charity shop has now decided that cash is evil and forbidden.My wife tries to make a stand and offers cash when paying everywhere,the assistant tried to coerce her into using a card but my wife stood her ground.The assistant didn’t seem pleased and her answer was to shove a small pot through the badger sized hole in her protective bomb-proof perspex screen and told my wife ‘put the money in there,not on the counter’,she then pulled it back to safety and,you guessed it,took it out and put it in the till !,the change was given in same way.Surely,these people must be able to see how ridiculous this sort of thing is ?,surely ?,I fear they don’t.

100881 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Paul, 6, #1245 of 1269 🔗

This morning at the supermarket I saw a woman, who was wearing a mask, leave the store and return to her car. She removed her face mask, folded it up and put it in her bag. She took from the bag cigarettes and lit one. Then she got out her phone and started messing with it. One really does have to wonder what such people are thinking of.

100885 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #1246 of 1269 🔗

She had her mask on in the shop. She is protected. For it is written.

100891 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Sam Vimes, #1247 of 1269 🔗


100893 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #1248 of 1269 🔗

The mask increases hazard and the smoking protects against Covid, thus cancelling each other out.

100894 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #1249 of 1269 🔗

Frustrating, but it gives me hope to think that people only comply superficially because they think they must and aren’t true believers. She might not be too far away from rebellion. I’m an optimist where I can be!

100884 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Paul, 6, #1250 of 1269 🔗

What was that figure again, for people who have caught coronavirus from money? Silly me, can’t remember it, I’m sure it was a ’round’ number…

100898 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #1251 of 1269 🔗

The copper used in coins KILLS viruses.

101066 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to kf99, #1252 of 1269 🔗

The power of copper to destroy viruses (and bacteria) has been known for decades, yet it is not routinely used in hospitals and care homes. I cannot help but wonder why?

100886 shorthand, replying to shorthand, 5, #1253 of 1269 🔗

And winner of today’s best caption will win a years rail fares

100892 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to shorthand, 7, #1254 of 1269 🔗

Boris shows the world his true vocation, Infant Toy Tester.

100905 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to shorthand, 2, #1255 of 1269 🔗

Sorry, can’t be arsed to think one up. He’s just a jeffing idiot.

100906 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to shorthand, 2, #1256 of 1269 🔗

brooooom brooooom

100909 ▶▶ wendy, replying to shorthand, 4, #1257 of 1269 🔗

New HS2 trains are show cased!!!

100913 ▶▶ Mark, replying to shorthand, 6, #1258 of 1269 🔗

Boris finds something to hold his attention while SAGE meet to think up some new games for him.

100914 ▶▶ tallandbald, replying to shorthand, 3, #1259 of 1269 🔗

9 yr old kid – ” I only asked him to make a choo choo train and it’s been 20 minutes..”
Boris – ” hold on … don’t tell me”

100930 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to shorthand, 1, #1260 of 1269 🔗

The only Grown Up in the room.

100931 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to shorthand, 1, #1261 of 1269 🔗

On behalf of the British Taxpayer I offer £200 Billion on this fantastic piece technology of wizardly infrastructure.

101020 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to shorthand, #1262 of 1269 🔗

This is how I explained ‘sex!’ to Jacob when we were in prep together.

*note to shorthand, I don’t do trains, may I have Taxi vouchers instead ?

101685 ▶▶▶ shorthand, replying to karenovirus, #1263 of 1269 🔗

Aaaand we have a winner, against some excellent opposition.

Sorry KV, train only. Your train fares will be sent to you, Use ’em or lose ’em!! Network rail will expect payment within the month as they are skint just now. This is part of Richi Sunaks new initiative ‘get out to bail us out’.

100897 Biggles, 6, #1264 of 1269 🔗

I’m a member of a classic car club (I’d better not say which one!) and yesterday we took part in what we call the Cobweb Run. This was postponed from March but it felt pretty much as it used to do. We might have broken the recommendations ever so slightly as there were 19 cars at the start and we picked up another 9 at the half-way point. Our cars are two-seat sports cars so as most people had passengers/navigators we would have been over the permitted group of 30. No Police drones were seen however.

Our stopover was at Castle Howard in Yorkshire and the car park was about 90% full. There were very few face masks in evidence, at least outside, and the staff seemed fairly relaxed about their usage when you went to the farm shop and cafe.

As our cars are quite noisy we were filmed a few times as we passed through villages but this is quite normal so nothing untoward there. Overall, it was a positive experience. Maybe there is hope after all.

100904 Nessimmersion, 8, #1265 of 1269 🔗

Depressingly Scottish schools are to introduce compulsory mask wearing.
Authorities and unions are complicit in increasing the hazards from respiratory and bacterial illness to the young.One wonders if the unions and politicians pushing for this will admit personal liability for any harms caused?
I assume sooner or later a clever lawyer will pursue a case for bacterial infection or asthma attack caused by masks.

100908 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 9, #1266 of 1269 🔗

I think we’ve just dodged a bullet with this latest virus (Covid19).

Can I suggest that a biological warfare agent, ‘accidentally’ released from an American sponsored Level Four Biological Warfare facility in a place in China that nobody had heard of before this year may not have been accidental?

Can I also suggest that this virus has ‘evolved’ five thousand years since its discovery in 2004? Yes five thousand years is how long it’s estimated for the virus to have mutated naturally to the point where it would infect human beings. Hmm…

On paper this is one hell of a nasty virus. No cure either.

You have to be a bit clever with biological agents, after all you want to kill the enemy without killing yourself! In this case the remit was just to kill off the weakest 90% of the population. What could possibly go wrong?..

One of the problems was that this ‘cure’ for many of the world’s ills (climate change, over population, lack of resources, etc.) was that those who wanted it implemented are not in the top 10% of health in the population.

This meant that the virus had to be fast acting but have a very fast ‘burn out’ at the end. This would mean that the instigators of this virus having to lock themselves away for as short a time period as possible before being able to walk the earth again.

The problem that has occurred with this virus is that those damned masses of people have immune systems that work exceedingly well! Not only that but a Malaria drug is found to stop people dying. How frustrating!

So the virus to end all virus had a stellar start. It certainly killed lots of people in a short space of time. But shortly afterwards the problems started coming; it really wasn’t measuring up to its expectations. The numbers had to manipulated for starters…

The death rate had to be increased so some wag (sic) suggested that another way to get the body count up would be to increase secondary effect deaths. So health care has been withdraw from huge amounts of people.

Cancer deaths are increasing rapidly, suicides too, all good to the cause but it just isn’t enough.

In the meantime all the governments are carrying on as if the virus is doing its mass murder thing exactly as planned, but the reality is that it’s almost totally disappeared from the nations health. I wonder what the next move will be?

Could a rushed out ‘vaccine’ be the cure (ie. to kill 90% of the human race)? If it was forced on the masses at the same time could it do what the virus has failed to do? Or will there be a ‘second wave’? No not of Covid19 that won’t, can’t, happen, but from Covid20 or Covid21 perhaps?…

101010 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Arnie, #1267 of 1269 🔗

You should repost this to tomorrow’s page, few people venture back once it’s up.

100920 Cheezilla, #1268 of 1269 🔗

New Update available —– >>>>

103479 Moira Inness, #1269 of 1269 🔗

WHO and CDC have substantial funding from pharmaceutical industry. Uptake of flu jabs is currently lower than 50% of Americans and 70% of Britains. Just saying, VESTED INTEREST? Has the WHO’s scarily named Covid 19 (formerly known as SARS CoV 2) propaganda helped ito create a demand which will ncrease the flu jab uptake in USA and UK I wonder?


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58Andrew Fish1, 0, 29, 4, 6, 8, 7, 3
58WhyNow7, 0, 3, 1, 0, 0, 9, 2, 0, 5, 1, 3, 4, 1, 1, 5, 16
56Tom Blackburn3, 2, 1, 17, 0, 11, 9, 13
55Steve Hayes36, 7, 6, 6, 0
53IanE36, 17
52petgor0, 42, 10
52Tyneside Tigress6, 2, 11, 2, 3, 0, 3, 4, 7, 11, 3
50court22, 5, 5, 18
49Will32, 9, 2, 6
49Charlie Blue5, 1, 11, 7, 2, 9, 3, 7, 2, 2
49OKUK0, 1, 3, 2, 1, 0, 10, 17, 3, 3, 2, 2, 5
47Country Mumkin3, 1, 0, 9, 0, 1, 0, 3, 1, 4, 1, 2, 0, 22, 0
46annie141, 3, 2, 2, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 3, 1, 2, 0, 0, 7, 1, 6, 2
45Mark5, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 4, 2, 5, 2, 2, 0, 6, 7, 4, 1, 1, 0, 6
44Tenchy20, 0, 5, 4, 9, 10, 10, 3, 1
44Bart Simpson3, 1, 1, 2, 2, 4, 0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 4, 7, 16, 0, 1, 1
44Carrie0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 3, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 2, 1, 1, 1, 2, 0, 0, 2, 0, 0, 0, 13, 17
43David18, 2, 23, 0
43Marie R8, 22, 0, 1, 2, 1, 6, 3
43Jonathan Palmer7, 4, 3, 5, 0, 3, 3, 7, 5, 2, 4
41James Leary #KBF12, 29, 0, 0
41Mr Dee17, 3, 2, 2, 0, 4, 2, 4, 3, 4
39mjr6, 0, 2, 5, 6, 1, 1, 2, 8, 0, 3, 5
38ConstantBees1, 3, 0, 1, 7, 2, 0, 6, 0, 2, 6, 1, 3, 0, 0, 3, 2, 1
36PoshPanic17, 3, 11, 3, 2
36Sophie1231, 4, 0, 3, 21, 0, 1, 0, 6
32TJN24, 0, 8
32Dan Clarke7, 5, 18, 1, 1
31Old Bill24, 7, 0
31Margaret18, 0, 9, 4
31AN other lockdown sceptic59, 5, 9, 1, 2
31Drawde9277, 3, 3, 11, 5, 2
30409621, 9, 0
30Lucan Grey6, 0, 6, 18
30JohnB-5, 3, 0, 1, 0, 7, 1, 5, 3, 7, 0, 2, 3, 3
29thedarkhorse10, 12, 7
29T. Prince0, 1, 5, 0, 2, 10, 5, 0, 6
28Dave Tee22, 6, 0, 0
25Simon Fry25
25Mark II6, 5, 3, 11
24PastImperfect23, 1, 0
24Sarigan4, 6, 3, 4, 7
24Lms232, 4, 3, 6, 1, 8
24guy1532, 0, 0, 1, 3, 0, 0, 1, 3, 0, 1, 6, 6, 1
23AngloWelshDragon2, 15, 6
23Youth_Unheard13, 6, 2, 2
23A. Contrarian10, 8, 2, 1, 1, 0, 0, 1
22Poppy14, 8
22drrobin0, 22, 0, 0
20Darryl2, 7, 3, 8
20Nicky1, 2, 9, 6, 2
19Sir Patrick Vaccine6, 11, 1, 1
19TheBluePill2, 2, 2, 2, 7, 4, 0
18Kath Andrews4, 13, 1
17Edward Giles17
17Mark H17
17Emma10, 7
17Recusant5, 12
17NickR1, 8, 2, 4, 2
17Nobody20201, 4, 0, 2, 10
16Edward4, 10, 1, 1
16Sue3, 1, 2, 0, 7, 3
15davews7, 8
15Gillian1, 6, 1, 7
15DressageRider1, 7, 2, 1, 4
14Ned of the Hills14
14JulieR6, 8
14anon6, 2, 6
14sam2, 7, 0, 1, 0, 4
13Jane in France7, 5, 1
13Jay Berger4, 2, 1, 6
12Ricky R12
12bluemoon7, 5
12Hoppy Uniatz75
12Ovis6, 3, 2, 1
11Chris Hume11
11JYC1, 10
116097 Smith W2, 0, 9
11Jane0, 5, 6
10hotrod7, 3
10The Spingler8, 2
9Arnie0, 9
9Wesley9, 0
9crimsonpirate31, 1, 4
9JohnB0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 4, 4, 0, 0
9Not Tiger Woods0, 1, 0, 0, 3, 0, 3, 2, 0, 0
8Howie598, 0
8Liam5, 3
8Ruth Sharpe0, 8
7Laura Suckling7
7Edna0, 7
7janis pennance0, 3, 4
7Strange Days3, 4, 0
7Bruno1, 2, 1, 2, 1
7Steeve0, 3, 0, 3, 1
6Lucky2, 4
6tonys2, 4
6Guirme4, 1, 1
6Jaguarpig4, 0, 2
6kf992, 1, 3
5Neil Hartley5
5shorthand5, 0
5Lord Rickmansworth2, 30
5Carlo1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 2
42 pence4
4arfurmo0, 4
4DocRC4, 0
4ianric4, 0
4Toby Pierides4, 0
4smurfs1, 0, 3
3Mrs S3
3Saved To Death3
3Tony Rattray3
3BTLnewbie1, 2
3ScooBieDee1, 2
3p020990032, 1, 0
3watashi-1, 2, 1, 1
3Lord Rickmansworth WillyWanks the 4th03, 0, 0, 0
2John Stone2
2Montag Smith0, 2
2BeBopRockSteady2, 0, 0
1Mark B1
1Steve Martindale1
1David Grimbleby1, 0
1Simon Dutton0, 1
1Chris John1, 0, 0
0DJ Dod0
0Girl down Under0
0Moira Inness0
0Silke David0
0Tee Ell0
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