2020-08-25

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102262 Winston Smith, replying to Winston Smith, 8, #1 of 1481 🔗

Hello?

102267 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Winston Smith, 11, #2 of 1481 🔗

Were you told to speak Citizen ?

102271 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to karenovirus, 8, #3 of 1481 🔗

Nope, comrade, I’m using my own free will 😁

102275 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Winston Smith, 4, #4 of 1481 🔗

You think you are. . . . 🙂 MW

102298 ▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #5 of 1481 🔗

😱

103327 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Winston Smith, 2, #6 of 1481 🔗

We all have free will but most of us don’t exercise it enough.

103393 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to richard riewer, #7 of 1481 🔗

Ain’t that the truth Richard!

102269 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Winston Smith, 8, #8 of 1481 🔗

So, I’m going training tonight and I’m really looking forward to it.

What awesome activities are my fellow sceptic looking forward to tonight?

102299 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Winston Smith, 10, #9 of 1481 🔗

pie and chips

102307 ▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Biker, 1, #10 of 1481 🔗

Ooh, nice!

102844 ▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Biker, 2, #11 of 1481 🔗

What type of pie Biker? Roadkill, beef/ale or the hare???…

102329 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Winston Smith, 13, #12 of 1481 🔗

Heading to town centre Wethy’s. Socialising with a mate who is not from my household. Few beers, talk bollocks and a bit of Eat Out To Fight Obesity discount.

102467 ▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #13 of 1481 🔗

A worthy plan 👍🏻

102560 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Winston Smith, 5, #14 of 1481 🔗

Met a woman today starting 3 days training with a Housing Association.
While saying that ‘my son says things like you…’ she kept her face pantie on.

Three days interactive training with masks on, good luck with that.

102633 ▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to karenovirus, 1, #15 of 1481 🔗

🙄

But what are you looking forward to this evening Karenovirus?

103336 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Winston Smith, #16 of 1481 🔗

A quiet evening indoors with just me as usual, the world cut off until I switch my phone on in the small hours. Lockdown didn’t affect me much since staying home is my default setting outside (key) working hours.

103396 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to karenovirus, #17 of 1481 🔗

🤗

102718 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Winston Smith, 7, #18 of 1481 🔗

This afternoon, I’ve been introducing my daughter and her friends to Dungeons & Dragons. No mobiles, no laptops, no Netflix, no Minecraft. Just three hours of storytelling and goblin-bashing. They loved it!

103167 ▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Mr Dee, #19 of 1481 🔗

A* Mr Dee, which edition?

102880 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Winston Smith, 2, #20 of 1481 🔗

Beer and wine. In a pub

103169 ▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Bella, #21 of 1481 🔗

A laudable aim Bella 👍🏻

103206 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Winston Smith, 3, #22 of 1481 🔗

Meal at very good Thai restaurant in Sheffield with wife and two daughters. Just got back, slightly oiled on Chang beer. Very nice evening. Hic!

103210 ▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Mark, 1, #23 of 1481 🔗

😁

102266 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 46, #24 of 1481 🔗

Hello!

Just posted this on the dead thread: A shopkeeper friend greeted us with, ‘Have you noticed how as the ‘cases’ go up, the deaths go down, nearly to zero and the hospitals are empty?’. He had an elderly woman in yesterday who started talking about ‘Covid’ and burst into tears, she was so scared and demoralised. He thinks ‘they’ are are trying to break us all down mentally and we agree. We will not be broken down though, will we? We will resist.

Some zombies outside the stores; I fear they are becoming habituated to wearing them. Some muzzles in the street including a woman carrying a child of about 1. Horrible!

A merry couple in the bus shelter, sharing a picnic during a short break in the sideways rain. She said it was her birthday and at least we could all smile at each other and wish her well. We were the only people on the bus. Again. MW

102319 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 10, #25 of 1481 🔗

The merry couple in the bus shelter having a picnic reminds of the time earlier in lockdown when it became permissible to have a picnic on a park bench but if you sat on the grass for that same picnic it was
” You Are Killing People ! ”

Happy days.

102336 ▶▶ annie, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 23, #26 of 1481 🔗

Broken down?
Not on your sweet nellie. Standing tall and incandescent with resistant energy, that’s us!

102559 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 7, #27 of 1481 🔗

Shine on you crazy diamond!

102665 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to annie, 11, #28 of 1481 🔗

If we don’t fight the certifiable insanity we are facing, then we will likely be dead within a year or so.

The globalist plan calls for a sustainable development world and in it, the creation of a huge green paradise, which will of course be solely for the self-selected few. A massive cull of the global depopulation will be absolutely necessary. This clearing operation will almost certainly be carried by Bill Gates’s “fast track to heaven” genocidal vaccines.

This would explain the government and media’s references to finding a vaccine, which have been repeated ad nauseum, from the very outset of this “so called” pandemic.

103109 ▶▶▶▶ Arkleston, replying to Rowan, 4, #29 of 1481 🔗

I agree with you 100%.

I’m old enough to remember the hammer Dracula movies of the 1960s, particularly the 1966 production Dracula Prince of darkness, and an early scene in that movie resonates strongly with me.

Two brothers and their wives roll up to Castle Dracula in the dead of night and find hospitality. One of the wives, Helen, has a sense of foreboding and tries in vain to convince the others to GTHO

H: I can’t get through to you,
can I, to any of you, that it is frightening!

Everything about this place is evil.

A: You’re tired, dear.

We’ve all had a most trying day.

H: Oh, it’s not that.

This whole situation is like a…
like a bad dream.

I expect any moment to wake up
and find it didn’t happen.

A: – Oh, Helen!

H: – It’s true!

And the worst part of it is
that I’m the only one that can see it.

– Oh, Alan, let’s go, please.

A: – That is ridiculous.

H: – I mean it.

A: – I know you do.

You’ll forget about all of this
in the morning, you’ll see.

H: There’ll be no morning for us.

That’s how I feel whenever I hear colleagues or friends say, confidently and nonchalantly, things like like “Once this is behind us…” or, “I’m looking forward to going to a concert again”. Well, actually I have to stop myself laughing out loud.

I can only assume they have not read any books about communist takeovers in the 20th century. It’s a never ending game of musical chairs and the music stopped once more in 2020. Now it involves Technocracy and Corporatism as well, but the motivation is the same as ever- this city/country/planet is ours and you need to leave *now*

I also wonder when the penny will drop for police, security guards, and others currently enforcing the daily diktats. There never are enough jobs for the useful idiots, collaborators, etc. once the new order is established, especially with robots coming along.

Still it’s not imminent, but I feel that your stated timeline is entirely possible.

Planning on going down fighting and taking the nearest Karen with me…

104350 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Arkleston, #30 of 1481 🔗

I’ve not watched too many Hammer Horrors, but I can go along with what you say and feel. Now of course, we are all, including all those Karens, in a very real horror story of our very own.

We probably all have a few friends, who we used to think were quite smart and perhaps they once were. Sadly my “clever” friends remain utterly clueless about Covid and very touchingly they still think that the BBC News is real, how sweet. I’ve tried to educate them in a friendly kind of way, mainly in the early Covid months, plus a few emails and videos that present hard facts, but no use whatsoever, the impenetrable cognitive dissonance remains very much intact.

I usually go out on Wednesdays for a few drinks with some of these once bright people, though, apart from the odd barbed comment, I’ve learnt not to say anything too contentious re Covid, as it is an immediate turn off for these once bright, but now closed minds. Just the possibility, of an alternative to the official Covid fairy tale, seems to inflict them with obvious pain. So these days days I treat Wednesdays as simply a chance to watch gross human stupidity in action. It can still be interesting and the beer does help.

102274 stewart, replying to stewart, 129, #31 of 1481 🔗

12 REASONS I WON’T WEAR A MASK

1. It’s harmful. We don’t know exactly how harmful it is because it hasn’t been studied. But we know oxygen levels go down and carbon dioxide levels go up when you wear a mask. The government won’t guarantee masks aren’t harmful because it can’t.
2. They don’t stop viruses . Research before 2020 clearly shows masks don’t stop the spread of viruses. The research that suggests otherwise is post COVID and it’s bogus and politically motivated.
3. It’s the thin end of the wedge . First it was on public transport, then it was in closed public spaces, then in schools and next it will be outdoors. After that, what else will they force on us in the name of safety?
4. They will become permanent . New reasons for using masks will be thought up and they will become the norm like so many other safety measures. I don’t want to live in a world in which face masks are the norm.
5. I take responsibility. I don’t believe I have a right to demand that others change their behaviour so that I can feel safer. There are many things I can do to make myself safe without needing to force others to change their behaviour for me.
6. I keep my distance . I don’t get close to anyone unless they are happy for me to do so.
7. I’m responsible . I stay at home if I’m feeling sick.
8. They spread fear . Masks exaggerate the risk of COVID and make people more afraid than they need to be. We are all much more likely to die of cancer but we don’t wear something to remind us of that fact daily, do we?
9. I don’t trust the government . I don’t believe the government has mandated masks for our safety but rather for political reasons.
10. Children . I don’t want children growing up in a world in which people wear face masks. I don’t want them thinking it’s normal.
11. I want to see people’s faces. I want to see people smile and frown. I want to read their expressions. I don’t want to diminish the experience of being a human being.
12. I miss a world without masks. The world of masks is gloomy and depressing. I watch a pre-covid film and I get a knot in my stomach thinking that perhaps that world may be gone forever.

Feel free to add more.

102283 ▶▶ kf99, replying to stewart, 32, #32 of 1481 🔗

13 They make shoplifting, fare-dodging, anti-social behaviour, even violent assault, much easier.

102300 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stewart, 43, #33 of 1481 🔗

14 They are a barrier to communication and rob us of our humanity

102309 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #34 of 1481 🔗

This should be No1!

102330 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stewart, 14, #35 of 1481 🔗

1. My mum spent years as a nurse working in Dermatology and Bronchial departments and would have had a clear understanding of the effects of promiscuous mask wearing.

102346 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to stewart, 18, #36 of 1481 🔗

It sets a dreadful precedent for the Government to bring in legislation for medical interventions, £3200 fines etc, on the say-so of a Twitter mob, rather than through proper clinical trials

102496 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 9, #37 of 1481 🔗

NB: The fine is actually £100, reducing to £50 for prompt payment. It doubles for ‘repeat offences’ up to a maximum of £3,200. Very few people have been fined the first time. It’s a con-trick which has worked brilliantly. MW

102355 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to stewart, 25, #38 of 1481 🔗
  1. It’s a total load of bollocks
102388 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to stewart, 21, #39 of 1481 🔗

Went to local pub at the weekend. Girl serving wearing a mask. Couldn’t understand a word she was saying. After I said ‘pardon’ for the 3rd time, she ripped the mask off in frustration and spoke to me – quite angrily, I felt. I just laughed as I departed for the garden with my drinks.

102586 ▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #40 of 1481 🔗

I just tell them I need to lip read. Which is true.

102733 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to HelzBelz, 12, #41 of 1481 🔗

Do this ALL the time, whenever ANYONE with a mask talks to you – even if you do understand them. We need to start misbehaving against these ridiculous rules.

102569 ▶▶ alw, replying to stewart, 18, #42 of 1481 🔗

Humans need to see faces and expressions in order to interact and socialise. Humans weren’t designed to have their faces covered up.

102861 ▶▶ Lili, replying to stewart, 1, #43 of 1481 🔗

Fantastic post.

102865 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to stewart, 1, #44 of 1481 🔗

Hitting Like!

103341 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to stewart, 1, #45 of 1481 🔗

But sadly the people believe it’s only a temporary measure (we’re in this together!!) and once the vaccine saves the world we can go back to normal

104028 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Eddie, 1, #46 of 1481 🔗

The vaccine will bring about another new normal, but most will not be around long enough to see it.

102276 Gman, 16, #47 of 1481 🔗

So the ONS puts the excess deaths for the week up to the 14th August down to the recent Heatwave rather than Coronavirus. Mmmm… could this have something to do with the ban on Airconditioning and fans in hospitals – collateral damage again killing more people than the actual virus??

102277 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #48 of 1481 🔗

Here’s the petition to sign if you want Land of Hope and Glory and Rule Britannia not just played but also sung:

http://chng.it/dKcZQ6mPKR

102332 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #49 of 1481 🔗

Great, but who would be singing it? MW

102939 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #50 of 1481 🔗

All of you. Send them vocal emails.

102987 ▶▶▶ Azoumi, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #51 of 1481 🔗

very funny…that has cheered me up!

102439 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #52 of 1481 🔗

Better petition for new songs about cowardice and shame.

102909 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PWL, #53 of 1481 🔗

We can ask the conductor for her output. Funny how she looks down on British patriotism yet she hails from one of the most patriotic nations on earth – Finland.

You couldn’t make it up!

102539 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #54 of 1481 🔗

Can you imagine the reaction if they’d had a live audience all waving flags, dressed I union jack waistcoats & told them not to sing? It’s the same with football, if they had the crowd in at Burnley or Sheffield United I rather doubt they’d have had much truck with knee taker’s.

102914 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NickR, 3, #55 of 1481 🔗

The conductor admitted as much. Which makes me wonder if she doesn’t like displays of patriotism, why take the job of conducting the Last Night of the Proms? Don’t like it? Then foxtrot oscar and let someone else do the job!

102936 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #56 of 1481 🔗

Woke is running The Proms now?

102278 kf99, replying to kf99, 7, #57 of 1481 🔗

Unfortunately caught a few minutes of Sturgeon on the lunchtime horror show talking about masking schoolkids. Does she always do that horrible folksy half chuckle every sentence as she waffles on

102289 ▶▶ Biker, replying to kf99, 21, #58 of 1481 🔗

yeah, and you don’t want to hear her fanny farts i can tell you

102323 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Biker, 13, #59 of 1481 🔗

Am I the only one that finds Biker’s comments amusing?

102338 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Winston Smith, 13, #60 of 1481 🔗

No, he is a whiff of fresh air … though maybe that isn’t quite the right image for today…

102735 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #61 of 1481 🔗

Nope.

102858 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Biker, 1, #62 of 1481 🔗

The epitome of a growl(er)

102279 drrobin, replying to drrobin, 24, #63 of 1481 🔗

Keep together, good folk.

Some of us consider the wearing of masks to be based on misinterpretation of science. Others consider science wasn’t even consluted, and that it points away from the value of masks. A list of such is seen on Swiss Policy Research site:
https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/

…and after WHO/Jenny Harries U-turned on their advice against them, videos still pop up from Doctors dismissive of their use. Dr Kelly Victory is an example, also clearly explaining basics of immune system functionality & why masks are unhelpful. e.g. on bitchute (masks @ 07m:30s)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Px9VDddw9CON/

On lockdownsceptics, the topic of masks probably doesn’t divide us. But elsewhere we know it is a useful tool to ‘divide opinion’ and cause family feuds like BLM protests or Brexit; a distraction for the public to argue over whilst fundamental changes to policies, our town infrastructure, & our liberty are railroaded.

My guess is that the majority of us probably also consider videos like Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi’s superb introduction to basic immunology & the risk/benefit of vaccines for different pathogens to be reasonable, even if his conclusion that a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine offers on risk and no benefit to most people, unlike many previous medicines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eR1j9vqKi8

We can also be divided. As 3 examples, many will have watched things like…

Miki Willis’s “Plandemic InDoctorNation” film, with interesting details on control of narrative, inter-relationship of fact checkers, gain of function research on Covid, the usual Gates foundation details & interview with the whistle blower Dr Judy Mikovits. It’s worthy of a watch for the quality of the production; the content is a point for debate:
https://freedomplatform.tv/plandemic-indoctornation-world-premiere/

The mass of information from Corbettreport.com (he must have astoundinding journalistic judgement to have remained on youtube). If anyone doesn’t find a wealth of fascinating evidenced info on Gates, the WHO etc from him – write back and tell me!
https://www.youtube.com/user/corbettreport

Plethora of videos from our British ‘man in a chair’, Dr Vernon Coleman
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCd6F39mg7LPUkw1BfiJDibw/videos

There is much I personally believe to valid in the above. Others will feel differently.

But beyond this, we move to the third category… information from the likes of David/Gareth Icke, Piers Corbyn & folk. And therein lies my personal worry. They are attending the protests at the weekend – and the media will focus on (what I consider to be) the 5G type theories they espouse. They provide the opportunity to label all research as “Conspiracy Theory”. Who knows, perhaps he’s a plant as a decoy to detract from genuine researchers. Equally, some readers here will consider their points the truth and be infuriated by my post.

…hence my request – keep it together good folk: fighting this farcical lockdown and destruction of the economy. Make your argument if you’re protesting, but don’t get into angry arguments with fellow sceptics.

Heated Discussions & criticism bring us together, and the sum of knowledge might be more than the parts.
Heated Arguments & cancellations divide us.

Aw bugger. I look like sodding socialist bell-end in that last paragraph, writing about ‘coherence’. See what the lockdown does to you? I suspect it would sow the ultimate division between ‘me’ and ‘myself’ if I actually engaged with it.

102462 ▶▶ Julian, replying to drrobin, 8, #64 of 1481 🔗

I don’t have a direct line to Piers Corbyn et al, and far be it from me to tell him he’s not wanted. One could try to appeal to that “wing” on the basis that, for now, focus on what we agree are the core issues will get us better results. But they feel strongly about it, and we need all the support we can get right now.

What we really need is a massive, precisely targeted media campaign to educate the public as to the facts, funded and supported by a broad coalition of sceptics, professionally run, along the lines of the Vote Leave campaign.

102482 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Julian, 2, #65 of 1481 🔗

Piers Corbyn is going to be very busy in the next few days-there’s an anti mask protest on 29th August then there’s an Extinction rebellion protest in Parliament Square on Sep 1st. The last time they held such a protest Corbyn held a counter demonstration against them. I’m getting confused – if you go to a demonstration against extinction but not socially distanced. Risky or ironic?

102490 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to drrobin, #66 of 1481 🔗

Sent the insufferable arse via the gab e-mail address an e-mail back in May when he had had one of his rants giving him facts and so on about the “once in a lifetime pandemic”.

Did he answer or acknowledge?

Nothing, nada, sweet diddly squat.

He’s not interested, just a useful teleprompter reading empty head.

102492 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #67 of 1481 🔗

Thought it said Piers Morgan, not Corbyn. Must put on my glasses.

102737 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to drrobin, #68 of 1481 🔗

I love Prof Bhakdi. His calm demeanour and he explains everything very clearly for non scientific people.
Cannot wait for his book to be available in english (1st Sept)
Corona – Fehlalarm? Goldegg Verlag
not sure where to buy it in english, please find another supplier than Amazon!!

102280 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 23, #69 of 1481 🔗

CDC changing tack on testing:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/testing-overview.html

Few bits stand out:

  • If you are in a high COVID-19 transmission area and have attended a public or private gathering of more than 10 people (without widespread mask wearing or physical distancing): You do not necessarily need a test unless you are a vulnerable individual
  • If you have been in close contact (within 6 feet) of a person with a COVID-19 infection for at least 15 minutes but do not have symptoms: You do not necessarily need a test unless you are a vulnerable individual
  • If you do not have COVID-19 symptoms and have not been in close contact with someone known to have a COVID-19 infection: You do not need a test.
102285 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #70 of 1481 🔗

The last bullet is what it should’ve been all along, yet some inept cretin thought that doing the opposite of what has been happing in medicine for centuries was a clever idea!

102365 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #71 of 1481 🔗

Thanks for this – this doesn’t exactly square with the world-wide cry of “TEST TEST TEST”, so I wonder who the various governments will make of this, including our own? We can only hope that common sense returns/prevails.

102443 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #72 of 1481 🔗

People should have ignored all of their advice from the very beginning. I think that they are just jerking us around.

103134 ▶▶▶ Watt, replying to richard riewer, #73 of 1481 🔗

You got it. Psyops staples. Confusion, uncertainty, fear and all of that fairydust seeds in the prevailing wind. There’s yer jerkin’.

102622 ▶▶ Marie R, replying to Awkward Git, #74 of 1481 🔗

Swedenborg did a good post on this yesterday

102281 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #75 of 1481 🔗

Just had a surprise e-mail, shocked me I tell you.

Here it is:

“Thank you for your email to the XXXXXXX Mayor, detailing responses to your Freedom of Information request to the Department for Health & Social Security, your email has been shared with the Mayor’s office who will be in touch if they require any further information.

Thanks again for taking the time to email with your findings.”

Well well well.

102316 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #76 of 1481 🔗

At a quick glance, I read that ‘Your email has been shared ..’ as ‘Your email has been shred …’. Maybe my subconscious sees the light!

102404 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to IanE, 4, #77 of 1481 🔗

Wouldn’t surprise me if the had shredded it or whatever they do to permanently remove traces of awkward and unwanted e-maisl from servers.

I live in hope and will watch with interest any news on the localised lockdowns in the North West to see if any of the phrases etc from my e-mail are used.

You never know, the sceptics may have made someone in authority somewhere think a little bit and fight back.

102782 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #78 of 1481 🔗

Let us hope so indeed!

102282 IMoz, 3, #79 of 1481 🔗

According to the ONS, deaths for week 33 (ending 14 Aug) of 2020:

Total: 9392 (up from 8945 prev. week, up from 5 year average of 9085)

‘flu/pneumonia: 1002 (down from 1013 prev. week)
COVID-19: 139 (down from 152 prev. week)

‘flu/pneumonia:COVID-19 ratio is just over 7.2:1 (6.66:1 prev. week), COVID-19 deaths as a proportion of all-cause deaths: 1.48%, ‘flu/pneumonia: 10.67%.

Something has started killing more people now…

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending14august2020

102284 jim j, replying to jim j, 9, #80 of 1481 🔗

Have you guys seen the Unherd page today with the claim by a scientific advisor that –
“Covid is nothing like the flu,” Prof Sridhar says. “Flu is a respiratory disease, whereas Covid is a multi-system disease. You have young people a few weeks after catching Covid having heart attacks, which does not happen with the flu, along with kidney failure, blood clots and pulmonary embolisms. There is something different about this virus — it is nothing like the flu.”

Is there any work on her claim? I’ve not seen anything and read a lot of stuff.

102290 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to jim j, 5, #81 of 1481 🔗

It’s sounds like a load of rubbish.

102304 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to jim j, 14, #82 of 1481 🔗

Jesus Chirst, where do these “advisors” come from, clearly that cretin never heard of multi-system complications from ‘flu: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5596521/ and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5367398/ and there have been even reports of athletes being in pain from just walking (calves pain due to myositis) after a ‘flu.

102318 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to IMoz, 8, #83 of 1481 🔗

“Jesus Chirst, where do these “advisors” come from, ..”

Correct response. Significant useful idiot.

102445 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basics, #84 of 1481 🔗

They are scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

102781 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, #85 of 1481 🔗

She has a lot of influence, unfortunately.

102866 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Cheezilla, #86 of 1481 🔗

More like effluence, if you ask me.

102945 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to IMoz, 1, #87 of 1481 🔗

They come from Public Health Schools around the world. Subsidized by Michael Bloomberg, Bill Gates, R Wood Johnson, governments health ministries … It only takes 1 year to get a Masters Degree in Public Health.

103143 ▶▶▶▶ Watt, replying to richard riewer, #88 of 1481 🔗

One year! I’m on it.

102314 ▶▶ Basics, replying to jim j, 10, #89 of 1481 🔗

Pay attention to sridhar. She is of limited capacity, a weak link, in the globalist public health realm. Up to her neck in the academic advice to the globe. Displays narcissistic traits in my opinion.

She is a member of the steering panel of ‘science group’ DELVE – hamsters in masks study to give reason for humankind to be forced to wear masks. She is directly influencing the scientifically weak scottish government on policy. She spent her last saturday tweeting out moans about spending another saturday working. One tweet said she wasnt a world leader but had signed a letter with 265 other world leaders complaining about 1 billion children going hungry and 400 million are now without free school meals. Annoying on a saturday.

102333 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Basics, 7, #90 of 1481 🔗

Oh it’s that woman. No wonder Nanny McFishface (saw that on another comment & it made me laugh) is doing what she is doing. I wonder if they’re having an affair?

102527 ▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 1, #91 of 1481 🔗

Best friend of Chelsea Clinton as well.

102366 ▶▶ Will, replying to jim j, 10, #92 of 1481 🔗

I can only go on the advice I have received from my daughter’s paediatricians that covid really does not have a significant impact on children, even children with autoimmune conditions and undergoing chemotherapy. They are more concerned about colds, chicken pox etc.

102424 ▶▶ wendy, replying to jim j, 3, #93 of 1481 🔗

Flu and other viruses can, but rarely, do all of those things. And it is also rare that Covid does these things as there are upwards of 3.5 million people with Covid antibodies in U.K.! Does she or Carl Heneghan come across as believable. Let’s hope airing her views makes her look less credible.

102452 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to jim j, 10, #94 of 1481 🔗

Any virus can cause multi organ failure, due to an overwhelming response by the immune system to the infection. Any bacterial infection can do the same, it’s called sepsis. Any fungal infection can cause it as can parasitic infection.

102475 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to p02099003, 2, #95 of 1481 🔗

Yer gotta respect sepsis!

102518 ▶▶▶▶ jim j, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #96 of 1481 🔗

Surely my mask would stop that too!

102543 ▶▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to jim j, 1, #97 of 1481 🔗

You mask will both give you a bacterial infection and then magically clear it up too, such is it’s power

102520 ▶▶▶ jim j, replying to p02099003, #98 of 1481 🔗

Yikes! It’s a dangerous world out there, I don’t remember being locked down for those reasons though. Can we have a Zero Athletes Foot policy too!

102994 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to jim j, #99 of 1481 🔗

Borax.

103733 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JohnB, #100 of 1481 🔗

Or Colloidal Silver.

103807 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RichardJames, #101 of 1481 🔗

Agreed. But which is much much cheaper ? 🙂

102535 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to jim j, 1, #102 of 1481 🔗

That interview is embarrassing herself even more than she had already. She clearly doesn’t have a clue.

102801 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to jim j, 2, #103 of 1481 🔗

I don’t think it’s been definitively proven that COVID is the cause of many of these long covid conditions. None of them are particularly unique to this virus and could easily be due to other causes but patients just happen to have an associated positive test.

I would wager if we tested and tracked flu in exactly the same way we would find countless long flu sufferers with equally wide ranging symptoms.

102287 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #104 of 1481 🔗

Winsconsin State official at a lectern has just proclaimed “racism is a public health crisis”.

This language is directly related to Corona virus/Covid19 lockdown measures. We know we are living through forced shifts in human culture. One aim of theirs is a future where public health is used to control the population.

8n turn this directly relates to the new fancuful concept that by being alive we are a danger to others health. The concept of individual health intervention must be taken to protect unknowable others.

102342 ▶▶ annie, replying to Basics, 5, #105 of 1481 🔗

Bugger unknowable others.

102345 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to annie, 3, #106 of 1481 🔗

Are they related to the unknown unknowns? AG

102288 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 11, #107 of 1481 🔗

The article about reluctant Brits going back to work is embarrassing it gives credence to the view we are a lazy. My bet is they are mainly public sector workers. The sooner the furlough is stopped the better. Again its down to the naivety of the government.

102315 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #108 of 1481 🔗

Unfortunately, furlough doesn’t apply to public sector workers. They’re on full pay regardless of whether they’re at work.

102324 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Bella Donna, #109 of 1481 🔗

Are you, in turn, giving credence to the view that only public sector workers are lazy? What would make this any less egregious as a lazy generalisation than the one you object to?

AG

102347 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #110 of 1481 🔗

Most public sector workers, with the exception of many teachers it would appear, have worked normally throughout this whole situation, albeit from home. Many of us were working at least partly from home before and it is entirely possible with modern technology. Who do you think has been making the furlough payments?!

102357 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #111 of 1481 🔗

There was a story a week or so ago about only 20% of civil servants having returned to work, but it wasn’t clear whether they were simply working from home (which shouldn’t really be a problem) or not working at all. Generalisations aren’t really helpful with these things, but there is an argument that says that the more people return to work the more they’ll want to return to normal and the more scepticism will grow. Ending furlough will therefore be a step toward that, but it’s not clear what the equivalent will be for the public sector.

102440 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Caroline Watson, 4, #112 of 1481 🔗

My taxes are making the furlough payments, them and the promise of more of my taxes, my kids taxes, their kids taxes and on and on it goes.

102356 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Bella Donna, -2, #113 of 1481 🔗

If you stop furlough pay, then spending will come to a full halt and business will collapse.

No demand, no sales, no work, no profit. Sales come from wages. Never forget that.

What we need to do is move on from furlough pay, take it out of business so they can right size as appropriate, but ensure those made redundant can earn a wage.

Putting people on the “volunteer list” and operating a default payroll paid directly by the Bank of England and paying only the living wage (no more).

That puts money in people’s pockets, automatically backs off as the economy recovers, and spreads the cash around the nation so that the worst affected areas get the most assistance.

Everybody wins.

102370 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #114 of 1481 🔗

And which particular money tree is going to provide all the money to achieve this nirvana?

102392 ▶▶▶▶ Bobblybob, replying to Will, 5, #115 of 1481 🔗

The one that’s already had £2 trillion shaken out of it? They can give billions to banks and their business friends (just like 2008) who then hoard it; why not give that directly to the consumers who would actually spend it?

102461 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bobblybob, 2, #116 of 1481 🔗

And who was that in 2008? Believe me, there will be a financial reckoning for the running up of the debt. £400 billion and falling in 1997; £800 billion and rising in 2010; £1500 billion 2015; £2000 billion and rising fast 2020.

I recognise a steepening curve when I see one. Zimbabwe tried this too, they eventually had to issue $Z100 trillion notes. And guess what? The poor are still poor in Zimbabwe.

Money trees do not work. Many countries have tried it. And the experiment ended in tears for all of them.

102444 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Lucan Grey, 8, #117 of 1481 🔗

except the people who’s pockets you’ve picked. Honestly i’m not known for being polite to lefties and i am trying for the sake of others on this site but holy fucking shit.

102446 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lucan Grey, 8, #118 of 1481 🔗

If you stop furlough pay, then spending will come to a full halt and business will collapse.

And when he country goes bankrupt, what then? We’re pushing the envelope now. Want things to return to normal, lift all restrictions. Everybody back at work. Economic damage brought by the lockdown has to be faced, the sooner the better, or there will be even more economic damage. Heads have been stuck in the sand long enough.

Default payroll = Universal Basic Income = Communism. No thank you.

102787 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #119 of 1481 🔗

Much of it is down to the antisocial-distancing rubbish.

102291 Jonathan Smith, 13, #120 of 1481 🔗

The email about the doctor recalled to work without quarantine and without testing was not a surprise. A trickle of the most urgent operations are being done at the moment after delays going back months. Patients are being called to hospital at a few days notice (in one case I know, the day before) and being asked to agree that there households have quarantined for 14 days prior to the op. Who’s going to say they haven’t done that when they’ve already waited months for urgent treatment?

102292 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 16, #121 of 1481 🔗

Why Are Doctors Exempt From Quarantine?

Because doctors know exactly what hospitals look like, they know what the situation is actually like, and they know how many of their patients died because of lack of care. If you make doctors unhappy, they’ll start speaking out.

102296 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #122 of 1481 🔗

Well they are not exempt at he hospital where my partner works. Is it certain Drs?

102334 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 6, #123 of 1481 🔗

Any doctor I visit in future will have some awkward questioned asked. Asked to account for their actions during this time. I have no problem in person to politely suggest my opinion to them.

102293 Ethelred the Unready, 6, #124 of 1481 🔗

“Be a good little doggie, Boris, and come to heel when your mistress tells you to”

102294 wendy, replying to wendy, 7, #125 of 1481 🔗

If Boris follows sturgeon and capitulates to the BBC and mandates masks in schools is it over for him?

102301 ▶▶ Ethelred the Unready, replying to wendy, 9, #126 of 1481 🔗

That’s what he always does and gets away with, why would this time (or next time) be any different? The Scottie dog barks and the scruffy terrier follows suit, in the words of Depeche Mode, “they call it master and servant “

102405 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 4, #127 of 1481 🔗

It’s so very very poor as he must know about this website! He must know what is being written in the Spectator! Will the Conservative Party put up with it. Many of them must feel like we do. They can read and look things up on the internet as we do. If they are going to wait it out until the second wave does not materialise in the spring won’t they have ruined their reputation? Couldn’t there be some kind of vote of no confidence in the Government? And lord forbid, open up doors to folks like sturgeon and the stupid Devi. Please save us Carl Heneghan.

102339 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to wendy, 17, #128 of 1481 🔗

It’s over for him now anyway. Judging by comments on the Spectator & Telegraph – even the Mail – as well as here, there are a lot of very very unhappy Conservative supporters. Talk about the stupidity of the man to have alienated your core support. Just a question of when the MPs, 1922 Committee etc catch up.

102360 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 9, #129 of 1481 🔗

I think that’s our best hope – if the survival instinct of the party kicks in (and there are definitely members who are on our side) then things could change very quickly.

102368 ▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Andrew Fish, 9, #130 of 1481 🔗

The Conservative party has a reputation for being quite ruthless in removing failed leaders, we can but hope that at least has survived

102378 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Strange Days, 7, #131 of 1481 🔗

The Johnson has two perfect candidates and the Chinese to chuck under the bus. But he won’t do it until after we see whether there is a “second wave” in the autumn/ winter.

I don’t think we will see a second wave that results in people being ill or dying in remotely significant numbers in the UK. However I wouldn’t rule out a virtue signalling lockdown so the Johnson can claim credit for “defeating the second wave. “

102480 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Will, 1, #132 of 1481 🔗

That wouldn’t surprise me either.

102623 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ethelred the Unready, replying to Strange Days, 5, #133 of 1481 🔗

It took them long enough to dislodge May’s fingers from the cliff edge…

102618 ▶▶▶▶ Ethelred the Unready, replying to Andrew Fish, 3, #134 of 1481 🔗

But are there any genuine conservatives in the Conservative Party anymore, or are they all closet Lib Dem’s nowadays?

103490 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Ethelred the Unready, #135 of 1481 🔗

There are some – John Redwood’s sceptical piece on the R-value was linked to from this blog a few days ago – but it’s hard to say how many.

102477 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 1, #136 of 1481 🔗

The knives are definitely being sharpened.

102394 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to wendy, 11, #137 of 1481 🔗

I’m just waiting to hear the news. My daughter won’t be going to school if it happens.

As for him being removed, are there any MP’s left in the Tory Party with anything close to resembling a spine ? I think we’re stuck with this incompetent moron until the country starts to burn. 🙁

102627 ▶▶▶ Ethelred the Unready, replying to NonCompliant, 3, #138 of 1481 🔗

Nope, the achingly woke, liberal left have made-off with all of their spines unfortunately

102807 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to wendy, 3, #139 of 1481 🔗

Would anybody really notice if he wasn’t around? I can’t for the life of me think of anything that he’s done during all this other than deliver some messages.

Ironically in Scotland “messages” are groceries which had he delivered food would have done more good than anything he’s actually done.

102295 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 12, #140 of 1481 🔗

Boris interviewed on Sky. Bumbling, as usual these days. Pretty much paving the way for backing down on masks, and following the lead of Sturgeon and her minders (Devi Sridhar and the Democrats)

102418 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #141 of 1481 🔗

He will have been subjected to a media and political campaign to fall into line with Sturgeon. The trouble is, most of us Sceptics are probably not on the likes of Twitter (I’m certainly not), so are a bit hamstrung on fighting back.

But there is this:
https://email.number10.gov.uk

Emailing him, with details of why we object to masks, especially for children, might help.
I’m going to do that now.

102297 Biker, replying to Biker, 60, #142 of 1481 🔗

I just want it to stop. They have no right to make it my responsibility if i pass on a virus. How about it’s your responsibility to avoid me. I’m not asking anything of anybody but they’re asking a hell of a lot of me. This in Scotland is a crime against humanity. We need a highland clearance and send all these snp wankers over to Australia where they’ll find the authoritarian bullshilt they are all so bloody keen on.

102409 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Biker, 6, #143 of 1481 🔗

Or they can go to the Communist Republic of California.

102502 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lms23, 3, #144 of 1481 🔗

Or even better, Communist China as they seem to like their policies so much.

103026 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #145 of 1481 🔗

It’s not a coincidence.

102468 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Biker, #146 of 1481 🔗

Put them in quarantine when they get there. That’ll teach ’em.

102302 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 105, #147 of 1481 🔗

Was out and about this morning.

Into Greggs at a petrol station for a takeaway cup of tea as person I was with (don’t know him very well just nodding acquaintance who was in the same place at same time) wanted a bacon sarnie.

Turns out he is a bit of a sceptic and thinks something is wrong but doesn’t know where to look for info and didn’t know any other sceptics.

He masked up, I didn’t

He asked “do you have one with you, I’ve a spare.”

Me: “No thanks, don’t need one, I’m exempt (true) but don’t wear one anyway.”

Him: “But it’s the law.”

At this point in walks a muzzled PC who had just filled the panda car up. Hangs around close for a bit.

Me: “Which includes exemptions including the one you qualify for which is if the wearing of a mask causes you harm you do not have to wear it.”

Him: “Never knew that, does having a cough caused by the mask count?”

Me: “yep, you’ve been made ill by it (transpired later that it was this wife who had been told by her GP the mask was the cause of her cough) and that is harm isn’t it?”

Him: “that means everyone can claim this exemption then?”

Me: “if they want to”

Him: “but what if the police challenge you?”

Me: “PC, health officer or CPSO can ask as they have the legal right but no-one else. I will answer politely I have an exemption and that is the end of it. They have no further right to ask me more as it is a medical issue and they need a court order to get this information plus I have no legal obligation to explain voluntarily what the medical reason is. I do not have to prove anything, do not need a doctor’s note, lanyard etc”

At this point I turn round, PC is walking off and 4 builders behind me are removing their masks.

Quite a good day.

102350 ▶▶ FiFiTrixabelle, replying to Awkward Git, 23, #148 of 1481 🔗

Awkward Git…you are my hero!

102472 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to FiFiTrixabelle, 10, #149 of 1481 🔗

They should have cloned you rather than Dolly.

102498 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to FiFiTrixabelle, 8, #150 of 1481 🔗

Don’t know about that.

Just bored with it all and need something to do to keep myself amused or I get into trouble.

102545 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #151 of 1481 🔗

Haha! Like your style!

102648 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #152 of 1481 🔗

Awesome result! Cannot believe Plod said nada!

102709 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to HelzBelz, 9, #153 of 1481 🔗

To be honest, after spending most of the past 33 years abroad the British Police are generally not that bad especially when compared to some of the centralised feredalies and politicised bully boys that you get in tin pot countries like Scotland, Australia and Latin culture countries.

We may be apprehensive or nervous speaking to them (but not scared) and some can be complete arseholes (I can be as well when the mood is on me) but generally they still act reasonable as long as your are calm, reasonable and know your rights.

If you do get taken to the nick you will get a fair shake at getting hard and it all sorted out without too much hassle but you need to know how to play the game.

The only other Police I’ve been happy to approach and had no qualms about it have been – and you will be surprised after the bad press the have received – are the local, county and state police in the US and the Jamaican Police.

102748 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #154 of 1481 🔗

“tin pot countries like Scotland, Australia and Latin culture countries”

Brilliant.

103023 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #155 of 1481 🔗

Scotland now has just one police force, a very bad idea.

103044 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #156 of 1481 🔗

Plod know it’s a farce and can do without the aggro. They’re going to need us on their side. In fact we’re both going to need to be on the same side!

102934 ▶▶ Hannahbanana, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #157 of 1481 🔗

Keep being awkward Mr Git!

103020 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #158 of 1481 🔗

Excellent day!

102303 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #159 of 1481 🔗

The Mail leads on the BBC’s crackpot decision to ban Rule Britannia – although after this provoked a backlash, BBC mandarins have now said it will be played but not sung, which has of course provoked another backlash.

Just more evidence that racism is alive and well. Just look how many racist people are around, trying to erase the suffering inflicted upon countless people, forced to live as slaves. They want us to forget, so they can bring slavery back, just like they’re doing with communism, hoping that we forgot the millions of dead.
So never forget. Never forget that people suffered under slavery, and never forget that people suffered under communism.

102406 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 7, #160 of 1481 🔗

They’re upset over the slavery that was abolished a couple of hundred years ago, but turn a blind eye to the slavery that’s happening now, today.
They’ll call it genocide, when armed men are shot dead by police, but completely ignore the real and ongoing attempted genocide occurring in Nigeria, with thousands of Nigerian Christians being slaughtered.

102474 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #161 of 1481 🔗

They call us racists so they can enslave us.

102306 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 9, #162 of 1481 🔗

I posted this on yesterday’s thread, but think it’s worth reposting here again:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CeTliWwDPOg
“Tucker: When do we get America back?
For Americans living under coronavirus restrictions, it’s a question too rarely asked. In fact it’s actively discouraged. #FoxNews #Tucker”

Answer: we don’t. The WHO leader, the corrupt Marxist revolutionary, Tedros, has just given a speech in which he says the world will not go back to how it was.

“WHO Director-General’s opening remarks at the media briefing on COVID-19 – 21 August 2020:
Progress does not mean victory.

The fact remains that most people remain susceptible to this virus.

That’s why it’s vital that countries are able to quickly identify and prevent clusters, to prevent community transmission and the possibility of new restrictions.

No country can just ride this out until we have a vaccine.

A vaccine will be a vital tool, and we hope that we will have one as soon as possible.

But there’s no guarantee that we will, and even if we do have a vaccine, it won’t end the pandemic on its own….

….WHO is committed to working with all countries to move into a new stage of opening their economies, societies, schools and businesses safely.

To do that, every single person must be involved. Every single person can make a difference. Every person, family, community and nation must make their own decisions, based on the level of risk where they live.

That means every person and family has a responsibility to know the level of transmission locally, and to understand what they can do to protect themselves and others.

At the same time, we will not – we cannot – go back to the way things were.

Throughout history, outbreaks and pandemics have changed economies and societies. This one will be no different.

In particular, the pandemic has given new impetus to the need to accelerate efforts to respond to climate change.

The pandemic has given us a glimpse of our world as it could be: cleaner skies and rivers.

Building back better means building back greener.”

It’s about “climate change.”
It’s about social control of the populace.

102343 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Lms23, 13, #163 of 1481 🔗

They talk of the Great Reset. We are the Great Resist.

102493 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Lms23, 6, #164 of 1481 🔗

He came crawling back from the woodwork all of sudden. This press release was planned. New attacks on us appear every day. Layer upon, one follows another. It’s a recipe that worked wonderfully well for Tobacco Control for the past 20 years. Incrementally, slowly building up a wave of new studies and censoring those that did not fit their narrative. Then their paid sock puppets chimed in on Twitter and the comments sections of the newspapers, on the radio, TV. Too many coincidences. It’s all orchestrated. Check out the Globalink Network. That’s Propaganda Central for health issues, poverty, war, famine, disease control, climate change, drugs, vaccines. In short, total social engineering. I.E., Totatlitarian World Government.

102507 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lms23, 7, #165 of 1481 🔗

Time to leave the UN. Stop funding them.

103012 ▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to Lms23, 4, #166 of 1481 🔗

“the need to accelerate efforts to respond to climate change” . . . Aaand finally we get down to it . . .

103236 ▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to ChrisDinBristol, 3, #167 of 1481 🔗

Lewis Hamilton told everyone this the other day – about how crucial it was for people to see what was going on to the world, the oceans, carbon emissions – from the comfort of his million pound racing speedboat. I didn’t get all the climate change stuff before this guy with 15 odd cars and how many houses in the US, Monaco, Switzerland, articulated it. Now I get it. 🙂

102308 MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 4, #168 of 1481 🔗

“The Association of School and College Leaders immediately said Mr Johnson should follow suit, putting the union on a collision course with the Government just days before children in England return to their classrooms.” (my emphasis)

Thanks for the heads up Toby. Look below, these are the kind of rabid strutting leftie kommisars holding our poor little government to ransom. These loonie Marxists are hiding in plain sight: (from the website of the ASCL.) (irony alert):

We have no political affiliation.

We represent school and college leaders with a wide range of roles including:

  • Executive Headteachers
  • CEOs of Multi-Academy Trusts
  • Principals
  • Headteachers
  • Heads of School
  • Deputy Heads and Vice Principals
  • Assistant Heads/Assistant Principals
  • School Business Managers/Business Leaders
  • Finance Directors and CFOs
  • Colleagues with strategic whole school/college or cross trust responsibilities

AG

102310 IanE, replying to IanE, 11, #169 of 1481 🔗

‘Let’s hope Boris withstands this pressure.’

Hmm, let’s face it, Bozo can resist anything except pressure!

104216 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to IanE, #170 of 1481 🔗

The row with the teachers is a useful distraction for the government. Chivvying teaching staff is futile and does not deal with the real problem. The schools should not have been closed in the first place and so the blame for this ongoing farce lies squarely with the utterly corrupt and totally incompetent ministers who stalk Westminster, but take their orders directly from Bill Gates, a US citizen.

Teachers are like doctors and both of them are now used to full pay for doing next to nothing. So why be too harsh on teaching staff, while the NHS seems to be permanently refusing to do what it is paid to do? Nobody in government seems to give a toss about that.

102311 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #171 of 1481 🔗

Cars can catch it as well in London

102317 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #172 of 1481 🔗

Another sign of the virus’ genius!!!

102537 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Awkward Git, 18, #173 of 1481 🔗

No that’s the Corolla virus.

102753 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Achilles, 5, #174 of 1481 🔗

V. good.

I’m guessing you, like me, are old enough to remember the Toyota Corona as well

103244 ▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Achilles, 2, #175 of 1481 🔗

Hehe. Meanwhile the CEO of Corona Beer is upset and considering a name overhaul due to it’s unfortunate links…I’m off to the Supermarket in a couple of days. Gonna pick me up a pack or two of Ebola.

102313 Allen, replying to Allen, 24, #176 of 1481 🔗

The WHO is completely corrupt- 82% of their funding comes from private donors who have full control of all “health” policies that the WHO mandates. Go here to read about that history:

https://www.twn.my/title2/resurgence/2015/298-299.htm

As for masks it is a form of psychological terror and abuse.

Anyone seen the risk assessments done for prolonged use of masks? Can we talk about prolonged use of masks and bacterial lung infections? What about nasal infections?

What about kids in school putting on and taking off a reusable mask several times a day the “experts” don’t think those masks will be collecting all kinds of germs and bacteria. They then strap this bacteria-ridden fabric to their face, mouth and nose where germs enter the body.

And this is a public health policy? When can we fire and/or arrest these idiots that are mandating these muzzles?

Below are some data points to make a flyer with and distribute:

  • Randomized controlled trials of face masks have shown no detectable effect against transmission of viral infections;
  • There has never been a single randomized control trial done that proves the efficacy of masks in the prevention of viral transmission;
  • 2019 study of 2862 participants showed that both N95 respirators and surgical masks “resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory confirmed influenza”;
  • 2016 meta-analysis randomized controlled trials and observational studies of N95 respirators and surgical masks used by healthcare workers did not show benefit against transmission of respiratory infections;
  • Schlieren imaging showed that both surgical masks and cloth masks had farther brow jets (unfiltered upward airflow past eyebrows) than not wearing any mask at all, 182 mm and 203 mm respectively, vs none discernible with no mask. Backward unfiltered airflow was found to be strong with all masks compared to not masking;
  • A study of 44 mask brands found mean 35.6% penetration (+ 34.7%). Most medical masks had over 20% penetration, while “general masks and handkerchiefs had no protective function in terms of the aerosol filtration efficiency.” The study found that “Medical masks, general masks, and handkerchiefs were found to provide little protection against respiratory aerosols”;
  • N95 respirators are made with a 0.3 micron filter, Coronaviruses are approximately 0.125 microns in diameter;
  • Cloth masks were found to have low efficiency for blocking particles of 0.3 microns and smaller. Aerosol penetration through the various cloth masks are between 74 and 90%;
  • Healthcare workers wearing cloth masks were found to have 13 times the risk of influenza-like illness than those wearing medical masks;
  • Surgical mask wearers had significantly increased dyspnea after a 6-minute walk than non-mask wearers;
  • Research shows facemasks increases burden on pulmonary, circulatory and immune systems, due to oxygen reduction and air trapping reducing substantial carbon dioxide exchange;
  • Healthcare workers were found to have a loss in volume of oxygen consumption by 13.8% compared to controls when wearing N95 respirators. 17.7% less carbon dioxide was exhaled As a result there is a shift to metabolic acidosis;
  • Various respiratory pathogens are common on the outer surface of used medical masks, which could result in self-contamination;
  • Surgical masks were found to be a repository of bacterial contamination. The source of the bacteria was determined to be the body surface of the surgeons. Without the protective garb of surgeons, laypeople have even more exposed body surface to serve as a source for bacteria to collect on their masks;
  • The data show that masks serve more as instruments of obstruction of normal breathing, rather than as effective barriers to pathogens. Therefore, masks should not be used by the general public, either by adults or children.
102840 ▶▶ Norma McNormalface, replying to Allen, 7, #177 of 1481 🔗

This, along with the article about the fake Chinese Twitter accounts, should be front page headline news. Not some tedious bollocks about song lyrics at the proms.

103055 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Norma McNormalface, 3, #178 of 1481 🔗

Exactly. Massive smokescreen.

102915 ▶▶ James, replying to Allen, #179 of 1481 🔗

Hi Allen,

I found this post very helpful. Can you send it to me as an email please: jclfind@mac.com

Cheers,

James

102320 mrjoeaverage, replying to mrjoeaverage, 18, #180 of 1481 🔗

Part 1 of post…..

Right fellow posters, let’s do this!

I feel we need to club together. The Government really haven’t got a clue, as if they did, we wouldn’t have had the sheer number of U-turns these last 6 months; it is beyond embarrassing for them now.

One can only conclude they are either stupid, or have been paid off. Process of elimination.

Let’s give them a helping hand.  Let’s not be like Piers Morgan i.e 5 months ago “Lockdown now aaaaaaah, we’re all going to die!!!!” and then 5 months later he says “oh this Government have given us the worst recession ever, I can’t believe it, it’s a disgrace.”  Er, really, no s*** Sherlock, mr instigator.  Offering no suggestions whatsoever!

Let’s not be like Piers Morgan; let’s actually come up with some actual decisions and proposals for the way forward. Let’s help this poor helpless Government out.  I’d like to think a number of those in parliament read this. Could they?!

Whilst we all criticise, and rightly so, we need a sensible way out of this mess. As much as we all know the simplest way would be just to go back to the old normal today, there is one massive problem. The Government have wrongly scared the living daylights out of a vast percentage of the population. I still have friends (well I use that term loosely, let’s say acquaintances actually!) that are seriously, yes seriously, still apprehensive about leaving their home. It is quite ridiculous.

Why the Government thought they could entice the terrified out their homes into shops, with everyone looking like a sinister Hannibal Lecter is beyond laughable; in fact as expected, it was proved to have the opposite effect. Once again, no s*** Sherlock!

So anyway, this is my starting point: feel free to reply to this comment with your thoughts, and then tomorrow, let’s get a summarised consensus! So these are my thoughts to kick things off:

  • A television campaign to explain the actual statistics, ages of deaths, the at risk groups, and where we are on the “curve.” Perhaps even explain Sweden’s shared mistakes of care home discharges and then compare adjusted statistics. By presenting the facts, this will indirectly create such positivity.
  • On this campaign, be honest, and say mistakes have been made, but, the important thing is to make the right decisions for the right reasons moving forward. I’m sure people will be quite understanding if you say we have been learning as we go, there will be bumps in the road, but we are going for the right way forward. People will appreciate that.
  • Masks should be purely at the discretion of the individual. If you feel it gives you protection, enjoy it, if not, then don’t. Make it clear that the science is divided. Ok, we know the truth, but again, we’re trying to get EVERYONE out their houses and back to normal.

Part 2 incoming……!

102321 ▶▶ mrjoeaverage, replying to mrjoeaverage, 37, #181 of 1481 🔗

Part 2!

  • Do away with the social distancing. If you feel unsafe, then shield at home. Everything can be ordered online these days.
  • The UK public should be reassured that lockdown will never occur again. It should be explained that it would kill the NHS and we’d all have to get private health insurance.
  • Testing should be abandoned except in hospitals, but not treated as a holy grail whatsoever. Instead, it should be regularly monitored as to whether hospital admissions, deaths and those in intensive care are increasing. If such an increase occurs, then public health messages can be broadcast in local areas, urging the public to take care, and assess their own risk.
  • If there is a vaccine, then DO NOT mandate it. You will go down in history as a monumental laughing stock, embarrassing, and remembered forever (along with lockdown!). Sure, you can advise it, but we, the people, will assess our own risk, when we know the risks.
  • Doctors to be encouraged to use their brains. Make a clear distinction between those that have died of and with coronavirus, and report accordingly.
  • Suggest the reopening of Nightingale and specially purposed hospitals to deal solely with so called Covid patients. Keep them separate. Give those in need of genuine hospital care the comfort that they need, away from this “deadly” disease, and start treating these cancer patients etc. Care home residents must be sent to these hospitals if suspected. This may seem like money wasted, but compared to another 6 months of Government decisions, will likely be a money-saver.
  • Provide a weekly 5 minute broadcast. Explain quickly what has been done, and what will be done. Always finish the presentation with a positive. There is always a positive take on everything. Lighten the mood, and give people back good spirits.
  • Any current affairs and TV debates should be equally represented by both those who are worried, and those who are sceptical. Equal air time to allow those to make a reasoned decision. Does equal opportunities not extend to politics?
  • Above all, treat us like adults. Don’t tell us not to have sex, don’t tell us not to sing in church, don’t tell us to wear a face mask when getting our hair cut. We, are adults. We will be fed information in the weekly broadcast as above. We will then decide for ourselves. Just like you don’t care if we smoke or drink ourselves to death, as this is all legal too. Let us understand risk, assess the risk, and mitigate our own risk. Life is not without risk, children should learn that, going back to the basics of road safety. Let us be free to show our expressions without masks, let us laugh with each other and see those brilliantly British facial expressions and see the irony.

We want the old normal back, but as I say, there is work to be done to get the fearful onside.

And finally, please, tell me if I’m wrong, tell me if I’m an idiot, argue with me and debate. I love it. Constructive criticism! These are things that do not happen enough any more. Question the narrative, question my narrative, speak your mind, accept other opinions but challenge them. We will be a better world for it!

102375 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to mrjoeaverage, 5, #182 of 1481 🔗

Yes you are right and I feel that is why Carl Heneghan and his team are so careful with their research, they want to make sure no one feels defensive and any side can pick up their findings. They want to stop more people from dying and suffering.

102380 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to mrjoeaverage, 4, #183 of 1481 🔗

But who other than someone like Carl Heneghan chipping away at it is going to do this. It really needs the government to do it as it is their job and we are crying out for them to do it. If they don’t endorse it as the elected leaders we won’t be listened to.

102416 ▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to mrjoeaverage, 6, #184 of 1481 🔗

I don’t think the Govt will do it because either

  1. They know they’re actions have euthanised 1000’s of the eldery in care homes, destroyed our economy. If they held their hands up now they might not get out of Downing street alive. To save their skins they’ll play along with the end of the world story and try in the end to make out they saved us all from certain doom.
  2. They and/or others in positions of power are engineering something and the charade needs to continue for as long as possible in order to be able to pull it off.

I have no faith in Government and all our MP’s are complicit regardless of which one of the above it is.

I’ve written to two local MP’s pointing them in the right places and asking for them to justify their apparent silence. No reply.

102655 ▶▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to NonCompliant, 3, #185 of 1481 🔗

And the majority of the public are behind masks, lockdowns, quarantines, restriction of our freedoms etc etc… As we know we are now ruled by the Twitterati.

103379 ▶▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to mrjoeaverage, 1, #186 of 1481 🔗

These are all constructive, concrete steps – well done! I would suggest getting some cultural icons to do an ad – Van Morrison has posted an appeal to save live music in which he comes down against social distancing at gigs. He did mention Sir Andrew Lloyd Weber as being in the land of the sane, as well. Reaching out to him might be very welcome as apparently, many of his fans came down heavily against his post…

102322 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 23, #187 of 1481 🔗

Son flew into London Stagnated (I think) from Poland Sunday evening for job interview.

He had asked me about an e-mail he received from the Government about a form needing to be filled in 2 days before he entered the UK and 2 days before he left the UK.

As he was flying out this morning back to Poland this was a bit idiotic he thought. I told him to ignore all the advice from Government and see what happened on arrival.

He arrived, no-one asked him about forms, no questions, no quarantine warning, nothing just a hello from the border force person sitting in his booth the other side of the passport reader machines.

Oh well.

103514 ▶▶ hat man, replying to Awkward Git, #188 of 1481 🔗

Can I just check I understand your point, AG. The UK doesn’t impose quarantine arriving from Poland. Or vice versa. So I guess he didn’t need to bother with the form anyway, is that right?

103639 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to hat man, 1, #189 of 1481 🔗

No idea, the son just said the government had been sending him messages about forms, quarantine and so on and he didn’t know what to do about it especially as he was only in the UK for 36 hours..

My usual advice was given – ignore it until something happens that you must deal with and sort it out then.

102325 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 54, #190 of 1481 🔗

Everyday I look at the coverage of things going on in this country and around the world and can’t get over how everything looks incredibly totalitarian and dystopian. Yet the people I meet everyday seem completely oblivious and unconcerned by everything.

I am seriously wondering if the water supply has been drugged and only a few of us are immune to it. It’s complete madness what authorities and the media are getting away with.

102335 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Darryl, 8, #191 of 1481 🔗

madness indeed.

102408 ▶▶ TyLean, replying to Darryl, 7, #192 of 1481 🔗

That water supply theory came up in a conversation with my husband last night. We harvest rain water from the roof!

102517 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to TyLean, #193 of 1481 🔗

I think the tapwater is fine, I drink that. Wibble. Bottled water maybe?

103046 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to TyLean, #194 of 1481 🔗

Easy enough, to spray, as and when needed, some type of mind numbing substance from low flying aircraft.

103748 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Rowan, #195 of 1481 🔗

They’ve been spraying chemtrails from aircraft for many years; it’s already mixed into jet fuel. Haven’t you noticed recently how lovely and blue the skies are? No chemtrails; no can’t spray the sky if planes aren’t going anywhere. The skies looked glorious in the first weeks of lockdown.

102422 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Darryl, 13, #196 of 1481 🔗

The water’s fine mate. I drink about 6 cups of tea a day!

The source is the cathode ray nipple which large swathes of the population are unable to detach their lips from 🙁

102425 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to NonCompliant, 3, #197 of 1481 🔗

Just six? I get through that many by lunchtime.

102524 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to NonCompliant, 9, #198 of 1481 🔗

Plus the holy icon in their pockets/handbags bringing Arsebook and Twatter etc straight in to addle what’s left of their brains. MW

102436 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Darryl, 7, #199 of 1481 🔗

Half the population are on prescribed drugs the other half eat food laden with chemicals you can’t pronounce and are big fat heifers. There is hardly a soul left unaffected. The only way to counter it is to eat food made yourself and buy illegal drugs from honest criminals. You know them drugs, they’re the ones that let you see how you’re being fucked over every day. No wonder they’re illegal. Drink is suicide so there is always that way out. Petrol smells good though i could get high on that and as a bonus if you wipe it everywhere it kills all known viruses.

103749 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Biker, #200 of 1481 🔗

During the Korean war, the Prisoners-of-War used to drink a spoonful of petrol to kill intestinal worms. It made them quite ill, but it killed the worms. Not sure whether it would be recommended for the viruses inside your body though!

102658 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Darryl, #201 of 1481 🔗

Or everyone else saw the pretty lights flashing in the sky and somehow we missed them… (as in The Day of the Triffids)

102747 ▶▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to HelzBelz, #202 of 1481 🔗

John Duttine – I’ve never forgotten that scene

102327 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 25, #203 of 1481 🔗

I have just listened to (part of) some WHO half wit being interviewed by a half wit from Sky Propoganda – about masks in school…

Aparently children, when removing their mask, must fold it properly and store it in a plastic bag for re-use and then wash their hands…

So, in the real world, that will mean Scotish kids leaving their classroom, putting on their bacteria laden masks (shouldn’t they also wash their hands at this stage?), walking through the corridor to their next classroom, removing, folding and safely storing their masks before washing their hands. Hand washing facilities will be needed in all classrooms and at the end of all corridors – oh and also at the exit doors of all school busses…

These idiots are a pointless waste of good oxygen and should be stopped from interfering in, and causing damage to, our lives!

102352 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Major Panic, 29, #204 of 1481 🔗

My Mum was talking about this. It is yet another inconsistency in the argument for mask wearing and one of the reasons why they weren’t introduced earlier, ie you are not supposed to keep taking them on and off. She is becoming more & more angry & says she finally understands why I am so anti-masks!

102354 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 10, #205 of 1481 🔗

Good wotk Ruth. It takes patience and time for others to work things out in their own time. Convincing is not the way.

102353 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Major Panic, 10, #206 of 1481 🔗

Heard same WHO origami lesson. Complete eith imediate hand washing after folding.

Therefore each lesson requires a new mask with evening boil washes, unless we are really playing a giant game of let’s pretend.

102393 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Basics, 11, #207 of 1481 🔗

“A giant game of let’s pretend” is a brilliant description of this once proud but now hobbled and shambolic nation. How sad that the Queen, having lived through the true sacrifice of the Second World War has had to witness this decent into such pitiful bed wettery.

102331 tonys, 22, #208 of 1481 🔗

The government will capitulate on school muzzles, they will have to because they have already conceded the ground on safety, schools will be socially distanced sanitised environments with one way systems supposedly to keep the kids ‘safe’ so an ill informed populace is obviously going to jump to the conclusion that there is some potential danger. The message that the kids are in no danger has been lost in yet another official muddle.

102340 Marina Peerman, replying to Marina Peerman, 44, #209 of 1481 🔗

For me, the idea that our children may be forced to wear masks at school is the most chilling moment in this sorry saga so far – yet sadly predictable. And stirred me enough to post a comment for the first time.

I’ve spent months trying to persuade my, otherwise intelligent and rational, friends and family to put the virus into perspective.  All my bluster about the far-reaching damage this lockdown is going to have on our society and economy hasn’t even slightly pricked their consciences.  So I’ve come to the conclusion that, by and large, we are dealing with nothing more than a textbook, no-frills phobia (thanks, of course, to MSM and social media.)

No amount of statistics on the un-likelihood of dying on a plane journey will persuade a phobic to fly.  Question is, how do you treat a phobia on a scale like this? – I don’t think you can – at least not until the media bias (aka scaremongering) changes course.  Or until BJ (wherever he might be at the moment) rises above the media.

Ok, unlikely!  But I’m hoping that September and the return to school might be the catalyst that forces them to face their fears and realise that this virus is not as bad as they thought it was – and all the soggy face masks they’re going to have to wash.

Also, I don’t know about anyone else’s thoughts, but re Boris’s whereabouts, might it also be possible he’s avoiding the spotlight because he wants as little footage of himself supporting the madness of this lockdown that will surely be mocked in the historical archives in years to come?  Although never much of a fan of his (I’m a paid up labour party member – eek!) I distinctly remember him, back in March, adamantly pronouncing that he would never send London into a lockdown.  But by then, the fear and the media had taken control.  Anyway, just another desperate thought 🙂

Ps, I join the others who thank Toby for this website – what a relief when someone sent me the link to it!

102432 ▶▶ Ian, replying to Marina Peerman, 23, #210 of 1481 🔗

I agree Marina. Of all the sick and twisted responses to this nonsense the treatment of our children is the most sickening. School life has already been severely affected, no whole school activity, contact sport, music, school trips (my son was looking forward to a cricket tour of India next year). And now masks. How can anybody with any sense of humanity think that making children wear masks is a reasonable response to a illness that demonstrably doesn’t affect them? It is cruel beyond reason. I feel so sick and powerless. I am constantly tense and stressed. I am no longer in control of my life, and have limited control of the state interfering in the life of my son. I have never felt so dejected, sad and worried.

102705 ▶▶▶ Marina Peerman, replying to Ian, 6, #211 of 1481 🔗

I know the feeling – I work in the community and I’ve never known an atmosphere like it – whatever side of the coronavirus fence you sit on. I can’t decide whether it’s worse to feel terrified of the virus or whether it’s harder on those of us who are trying to make sense of how and why the world seems to have lost its collective head. All I know is that fear is all powerful and turns rational people into mush – with no capacity to function or react normally. If we look at it like that, it kinda makes it easier to deal with – at least for me. And one day, we will see a return to common sense – afterall people are relatively intelligent! And I like to think that, short of an Ebola type virus taking hold, the powers that be will never let this happen again.

103104 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Marina Peerman, 4, #212 of 1481 🔗

The Mulla Nasrudin knows all about fear …

Mulla Nasrudin was walking along a lonely road one moonlit night when he heard a snore, somewhere, it seemed, underfoot. Suddenly he was afraid, and was about to run when he tripped over a dervish lying in a cell which he had dug for himself, partly underground.

‘Who are you?’ stammered the Mulla.

‘I am a dervish, and this is my contemplation-place.’

‘You will have to let me share it. Your snore frightened me out of my wits, and I cannot go any further tonight.’

‘Take the other end of this blanket, then,’ said the dervish without enthusiasm, ‘and lie down here. Please be quiet, because I am keeping a vigil. It is a part of a complicated series of exercises. Tomorrow I must change the pattern, and I cannot stand interruption.’

Nasrudin fell asleep for a time. Then he woke up, very thirsty.
‘I am thirsty,’ he told the dervish.

‘Then go back down the road, where there is a stream.’

‘No, I am still afraid.’

‘I shall go for you, then,’ said the dervish. After all, to provide water is a sacred obligation in the East.

‘No – don’t go. I shall be afraid all by myself.’

‘Take this knife to defend yourself with,’ said the dervish.

While he was away, Nasrudin frightened himself still more, working himself up into a lather of anxiety, which he tried to counter by imagining how he would attack any fiend who threatened him. Presently the dervish returned.

‘Keep your distance, or I’ll kill you!’ said Nasrudin.

‘But I am the dervish,’ said the dervish.

‘I don’t care who you are – you may be a fiend in disguise. Besides, you have your head and eyebrows shaved!’ The dervishes of that Order shave the head and eyebrows.

‘But I have come to bring you water! Don’t you remember – you are thirsty!’

‘Don’t try to ingratiate yourself with me, Fiend!’

‘But that is my cell you are occupying!’

‘That’s hard luck for you, isn’t it? You’ll just have to find another one.’

‘I suppose so,’ said the dervish, ‘but I am sure I don’t know what to make of all this.’

‘I can tell you one thing,’ said Nasrudin, ‘and that is that fear is multidirectional.’

‘It certainly seems to be stronger than thirst, or sanity, or other people’s property,’ said the dervish.

‘And you don’t have to have it yourself in order to suffer from it!’ said Nasrudin.

103097 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ian, 2, #213 of 1481 🔗

Chin up Ian. Your son needs you to be strong and healthy yourself. Sleep, good food, exercise, etc.

Worth doing one thing every day to oppose the bollocks. No matter how small, it is surprisingly effective at lifting one’s spirits.

102751 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Marina Peerman, #214 of 1481 🔗

You might like this piece, published here back in May, if you missed it:

The Hyper-Rationality of Crowds: COVID-19 and the Cult of Anxiety

102846 ▶▶▶ Marina Peerman, replying to Mark, #215 of 1481 🔗

Thanks Mark – I did miss it – unfortunately I didn’t find this website until a couple of months ago. Anyway, it’s brilliantly explained. The only thing I would add is that I believe it’s the world’s mainstream media that are running this show (so-to-speak) not the world’s governments – bar the brave few of course (notably, Sweden). Back in March I read the transcripts of some of the WHO’s early press conferences – they didn’t suggest lockdowns on the scale we’ve seen. To me, it was the press, with their carefully worded questions at those conferences that manipulated both the WHO and the world’s governments into recommending Lockdowns. Five months on, we’re in a mess. And the governments around the world are doing their best to prevent a complete melt-down of society – eg they want children back in school but in order to achieve that (I can’t believe I’m even writing this scenario!) we need to reassure their coronaphobic parents and teachers with enforced child social distancing and masks.  I certainly wouldn’t want Boris’s job at the moment!

103092 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Marina Peerman, 1, #216 of 1481 🔗

It is a phobia – but an induced one. That’s the wicked part.

103190 ▶▶▶ Marina Peerman, replying to JohnB, #217 of 1481 🔗

I’ve just googled Nasrudin – thanks for the introduction!  As a species, we may have advanced ourselves on many levels but our fear of fear and of sickness and death is as old as time. I agree this fear is induced but partly by ourselves. The digital revolution which enables our information overload is caused mostly by social media. Even prior to this virus, our new digital world was becoming bonkers. We’ve existed alongside viruses since we were amoeba in ponds, but this is the first time we’ve broken the world in order to try and “control” one. Bonkers!

103804 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Marina Peerman, #218 of 1481 🔗

Nasrudin is excellent. There were new adventures of his created specifically for the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. 🙂

Sufis = masters of psychology.

103395 ▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to Marina Peerman, 4, #219 of 1481 🔗

I also thank Toby for this sight! And yet, I am as left as you can get, a yank living in R of Ireland because I am teaching and finishing up a PhD. Because of Ireland’s draconian immigration laws, my husband wasn’t allowed to work in Ireland after last year, so he and my youngest went back to NY state for a job and because my son wanted to finish secondary in a US high school. I finally was able to fly back to NY to see them in early July and while there, the new school regime came out – masks even for primary school, twice daily temperature queues, weekly nasal swabs, no sport, music, or activities, extra personnel hired to enforce social distancing; they did provide the option to choose 100% remote learning. My husband and I decided to rescue our son from this madness. My son and I flew back to Ireland not quite 2 weeks ago and are still in quarantine. We were allowed in because I am a legal, permanent resident, and he is a dependent minor. However, another American in the passport queue next to us was pulled out of passport control because she didn’t have a fixed address in Ireland with her, and the person she was staying with didn’t answer her text to find out the address…

Government has just announced that secondary here will require masks. Remote option from NY is what we are going for. I refuse to make my son wear a mask all day. It’s child abuse, and I cannot understand why this is not obvious to the vast majority of people in the Anglophone countries. I am having a hard time sleeping, thinking about the emotional damage being done to a whole generation of children. Thinking of their bright little souls in the fog of this hysteria makes me weep every day.

My sister is a teacher, and she has completely lost her mind in the midst of all this, becoming increasingly strident and illogical in her arguments for masks, lockdown, no school, etc. She even posted a supposed study the other day, claiming that people who refuse to wear masks exhibit sociopathic tendencies … The study was posted by a user named ‘heinie’ something or other on Reddit. I despair.

104250 ▶▶▶ Marina Peerman, replying to Emily Tock, #220 of 1481 🔗

Hi Emily. I completely get everything you’re saying. One of my sisters – a really intelligent person, is just as strident as yours, especially in her facebook posts – she’s in her early 40’s, has no underlying health conditions but is absolutely terrified of the virus. Initially I found it really hard – actually, I was furious with her for spreading the fear – but now I’ve just come to accept she’s just frightened. I sometimes wonder how she’ll come to reconcile her thinking when the truth finally sinks in. She’s a really a really decent human being – my guess is that she will be mortified. But only time will tell. Anyway, keep sane and optimistic. We owe it to our children – I think yours will one day be grateful you didn’t lose your head!

104330 ▶▶▶▶ Marina Peerman, replying to Marina Peerman, #221 of 1481 🔗

Just wanted to add, the study your sister posted about sounds awful – is there link?!

102344 Tommo, replying to Tommo, 19, #222 of 1481 🔗

This is interesting – just looked at comments on this BBC News article about face masks and there is a lot of up votes for sceptical comments. The most I have seen. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53900825

This is in sharp contrast to phone-ins on BBC and LBC, where most callers want face masks. Is the tide finally turning? Are more people now questioning the narrative?

102398 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Tommo, 2, #223 of 1481 🔗

The Scottish HYS threads always look like that. It’s almost as though the 77th brigade are only activated for English matters.

102582 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #224 of 1481 🔗

I take it back. The have just opened another HYS on a very similar topic but this time for England https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-53907035

Maybe they didn’t like the comments from the first. However, this one is overwhelmingly negative of the BBC and many comments are slamming them for trying to create news. Have 77th got the day off today?

102521 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tommo, 1, #225 of 1481 🔗

Yes they are. But not yet enough.

103267 ▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Tommo, #226 of 1481 🔗

Not sure who you listen to on LBC, but many callers – for sure on James O’Brien’s show I can tell you that for sure – are very carefully pre-screened. They might let one or two slip through in controlled fashion, so they can say ‘oh look we’re so tolerant and balanced…’

103329 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tommo, 1, #227 of 1481 🔗

Are all these callers just ordinary citizens or do they belong to organizations that want mask wearing continue?

102349 Basics, replying to Basics, 11, #228 of 1481 🔗

Trust pilot your views about the BBC
https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.bbc.co.uk

93% 1 out of 5 stars – many saying can’t give zero etc.

7,000 reviews

102372 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Basics, 2, #229 of 1481 🔗

And just look at the comments as well.

102373 ▶▶ Steve, replying to Basics, 2, #230 of 1481 🔗

Thanks for that, just added my review.

102661 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Basics, 2, #231 of 1481 🔗

not complimentary at all – but the BBC know the criticisms and yet it’s water off a duck’s back and they’re so utterly arrogant and living in cloud cuckoo land that will not take any notice. The only way is to stop paying the licence fee as money talks.

102351 Stef, replying to Stef, 8, #232 of 1481 🔗

What is the main reason that is keeping this useless Government to continue with this no-sense?

1) They think that fear and scaremongering bring vote and consensus
2) They are scared to U-Turn their Covid policy (basically admitting that they destroyed the economy and lives for nothing)
3) They think that the majority of people follow the MSM, Guardian and BBC propaganda
4) Deep and genuine ineptitude to act and ignorance of the topic

102396 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Stef, 4, #233 of 1481 🔗

2 – They have no choice but to cover up their heinous crimes, otherwise they will never see a trough again. Some of them may not even be consciously aware that they are doing this, and they may look like 4 due to cognitive dissonance.

102423 ▶▶ TyLean, replying to Stef, 9, #234 of 1481 🔗

5) They are doing the bidding of their corporate overloads.

I have already eliminated many of these options in vocals conversations with my elected representatives… some of whom I am on a first-name basis with. Given conversations with myself, they have lost all recourse to 1, 3 and 4. 2 is still possible, but their own constituents (myself and my husband) have made clear that unless they come clean, their political careers are over.

My belief is that they continue, because they know – through deep state chains of command – that there will never be elections again.

102523 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to TyLean, 4, #235 of 1481 🔗

“There will never be elections again”. Nailed it IMHO.

103108 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to TyLean, #236 of 1481 🔗

Heh, snap. You beat me by 7 hours or so Ty.

103288 ▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to TyLean, 1, #237 of 1481 🔗

Yes, think you might be onto something there TyLean. Bear in mind “multi millionaire knight of the realm but I’m all for the honest average-joe-little-people really” Sir Keir has not really provided much substance in the way of stiff opposition – by accident or design? & the fact that he is a sitting member of the Trilateral Commission makes me, I’ll just say, curious.

103106 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Stef, #238 of 1481 🔗

5) It’s been the plan, and therefore their orders from above, all along.

102358 RickH, replying to RickH, 11, #239 of 1481 🔗

The ‘Unherd’ interview with Devi Sridhar is a fascinating insight into the mind of a tunnel-vision fanatic that seems typical of a certain class of limited scientist. They seem totally unable to place their assertions in the wider field of the real world and rationality, preferring a version of La La Land.

I noticed this statement as a good example :

If you try to open up society while the disease is still in circulation it will firstly not work because people are still feeling afraid (Prof Sridhar points to the mostly empty cinemas and theatres since they reopened)”

The amazing ironic circularity of this statement seems to have totally escaped her brain. Whether it’s a long-term blackout or just insanity induced by too much attention and publicity seeking – I don’t know.

I do know it’s so barmy, I wouldn’t trust her with any serious issue involving judgment.

102379 ▶▶ Basics, replying to RickH, 4, #240 of 1481 🔗

Bang on. It is good to see others today are seeing the fragility of Sridhar’s cognitive capacity.

I suggest she is not able to generate sound original concepts and action. I wonder who pulls her strings.

102386 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Basics, 4, #241 of 1481 🔗

She makes my blood boil. I can’t watch her. But perhaps if she gets an airing she will look ridiculous and folks will see through her.

103063 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, #242 of 1481 🔗

Three guesses …..

102359 James Leary #KBF, 4, #243 of 1481 🔗

Bit of a typo!

“ Fox tweeted this morning: “ Defend this shameful, Britain-hating organisation and start again. The lunatics are in charge of the asylum #Defund the BBC.”

Can’t get a decent subbie for love nor gelt these days ….

102362 Lms23, replying to Lms23, #244 of 1481 🔗

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr-Va0ngg94
Lib Dems’ Layla Moran Says She’s Ashamed Of Britain
(Mahyar Tousi)

102465 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Lms23, 3, #245 of 1481 🔗

and Britain is ashamed of her

102363 Lucan Grey, 6, #246 of 1481 🔗

We have to start putting the cost of this onto the hysterical rather than pandering to them all the time.

If hysterical parents don’t want to send their kids to school, then that means more jobs for parents who do.

Ignore them and they’ll be back with their tail between their legs within the month.

102364 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 21, #247 of 1481 🔗

Yesterday, my wondering whether the left could see all its dreams come true on the back of Covid was met with short shrift. In fact, I was told that being of the left involves being against phone roaming charges and seeking to open up public footpaths and things like that. It is definitely not about restricting freedom of the individual.

I can accept that. One can be left or right in nuanced ways, being in favour of different amounts of government intervention in business, for example. And I have no doubt that some degree of government intervention is a good thing.

But… that’s not the ‘left’ I see in the mainstream media such as the Guardian and the BBC. What I see there is pretty much revolutionary extremism. If your version of being left wing is just opposing phone roaming charges, why are you dabbling with extremism?

You love Greta Thunberg and sit open mouthed as she spouts her green revolutionary spiel. You give approval to XR by paying George Monbiot et al’s wages. You read columnists who spout racist divisiveness, who will not be happy until we have returned to the days of segregation. You kneel down in front of those “trained marxists”, BLM. You normalise the acceptance of pseudoscientific modelling in the guise of climate ‘science’. You love communist revolutionaries such as Ocasio ”Green New Deal” Cortez and Ash “I’m literally a communist” Sarkar. You dabble with men-hating columnists and many other types of identitarian poison-spreader.

The equivalent on the right would be the Daily Mail publishing stuff by blackshirt-wearing neo-nazis and Ayn Rand-spouting super-capitalists. They don’t. They have Peter Hitchens.

The result is that the Overton Window has been shifted so far left that the Tories will happily bring in sugar taxes and ban the internal combustion engine, and we have left wing extremists such as ‘Professor’ “Trish” “BLM” Greenhalgh openly spreading poison while occupying a public position at Oxford University. The membership of SAGE contains left wing revolutionaries, baseless ‘models’ are accepted as fact, and the demolition of the economy is permitted with hardly a murmur.

The left have a lot to answer for! I’m glad that some left wing people have realised that freedom is important after all, but I think they’ve left it too late.

102387 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Barney McGrew, #248 of 1481 🔗

The left have a lot to answer for!”

Simple-mindedness and an alternative form of solipsistic obsession isn’t an answer to this panicdemic.

A couple of facts.

  1. There isn’t any such thing as ‘the’ left. There’s a wide spectrum of different allegiances.
  2. The ‘Overton window’ – by any intelligent political analysis – has shifted significantly to the right – as evidenced by a succession of right-wing government since 1980, with the consequent policy shifts towards the destruction of manufacturing capability in favour.of global funny-money financialisation of the economy since the Thatcher-Regan alliance.

The two major recent economic crises – 2008 and now – both have their roots in this funny money and growth of the power of global capital – not anything an ill-defined ‘left’ originated.

But those corrections apart – I suggest sticking to the knitting of the current situation, instead of weaving post-hoc political justifications for your political prejudices and fantasies on the back of the crisis.

And I’ll keep my wider views out of it, too.

102427 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to RickH, 5, #249 of 1481 🔗

There are exceptions, of course, but too many on the far Left are going along with this tyranny, perpetrating it, endorsing it, encouraging it.

102495 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to RickH, 3, #250 of 1481 🔗

My point is that the ‘left’ (I’m sure there are people who do identify as left and right) have dallied with extremism. They have made it respectable. The Guardian and BBC routinely publish opinions of, and associate themselves with, the revolutionary left. The aims of their heroes XR and BLM are in perfect accord with the probably-permanent Covid ‘measures’. They have made it seem normal to ask “Are we allowed to …?”. They have toxified the notion of “free speech”.

102504 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #251 of 1481 🔗

Can I have my own national broadcaster, then?

102505 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #252 of 1481 🔗

Or whoever is behind them as the brainwashed useful idiots you see on the streets could not do it.

103129 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Barney McGrew, #253 of 1481 🔗

They are not the agents of change, you’d need a brain cell or two to do that. They are just more paid-for useful idiots.

102512 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #254 of 1481 🔗

Brexit isn’t even a ‘right wing’ project! Even Owen Jones worked that out.

The left must put Britain’s EU withdrawal on the agenda Progressives should be appalled by European Union’s ruination of Greece. It’s time to reclaim the Eurosceptic cause

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/14/left-reject-eu-greece-eurosceptic

It’s only because he couldn’t stand to share a platform with some prominent Brexiteers that he changed his mind.

102629 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #255 of 1481 🔗

I’m surprised people are still bothering about Brexit. They were panicking over a supposed worst case scenario of a reduction in growth of 0.2% per annum or something. We’re in a whole different world of pain, now.

102533 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #256 of 1481 🔗

There are two types of “Left”, possibly more than that. We have the Liberal Left, to which most left-wing people subscribe, mainly concerned with social issues and social justice. Then there is the Authoritarian Left, to which belong most Communists and the more extreme versions of Socialism. No trade unions, civil liberties or rights here. The Authoritarian Left regard people supporting these things as useful idiots.

We find pretty much the same thing mirrored on the Right, too. Though the Liberal Right concentrate on different things than the Liberal Left do. The Authoritarian Right wear a different badge, but are really indistinguishable from the Authoritarian Left.

102585 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #257 of 1481 🔗

But what of my point that supposedly respectable left-leaning organisations like the BBC and The Guardian routinely promote the authoritarian version of the left? The authoritarian version of the left is mainstream. I don’t notice the same thing on the right..?

102597 ▶▶ Phoneutria, replying to Barney McGrew, 8, #258 of 1481 🔗

Polluted rivers, the fault of the right?? Try communist China that has killed off the river dolphin or the Soviet Union that destroyed the Aral Sea, now just a dust bowl. The major reason for the latter was to provide water for cotton in a climate which is not conducive to its growth. Rampant homelessness? Look at somewhere enlightened and “progressive” like Zimbabwe or Venezuela. Crumbling infrastructure? Cuba, Soviet Union, Eastern bloc countries under communism were all shining examples of dynamism. NOT. Neutered local government? Ask a local govt in China if they act independently. Massive inequality? The Chinese peasant and Huwei boss are virtually on the same income.
I think you’re somewhat blinkered.

102617 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Barney McGrew, -5, #259 of 1481 🔗

Excellent, I thought that little exchange might flush out your real golf club bore attitudes. And so it has.

102764 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Bruno, #260 of 1481 🔗

?? An example..?

102792 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bruno, 1, #261 of 1481 🔗

Ah, personal abuse. Does it just give you a nice warm feeling, as though you’ve achieved something?

103666 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Mark, 2, #262 of 1481 🔗

Mea culpa, Mark gets (yet) another uptick from me. Memo to self, refrain from posting after 11 p.m.
(Or indeed after watching TV. And to descend to further personal comment, three exceptionally silly women on TV this morning, one after another, Tulip Siddiqi, Victoria Atkins, and to cap it all, Melania Trump in fake military uniform. Enough already.)
On the Overton window (had to Google it) I don’t accept BMs’ characterisation that it has moved ‘far left’ , rather the opposite. Nor have I seen portrayal of it being wrong to lock people indoors as some kind of far right libertarian extremism, guy153. Then again, don’t doubt you must have.
Another day, another parade of rudderless absurdity (Sorry JohnB, still not buying the grand plot). Sigh.

103675 ▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Bruno, 2, #263 of 1481 🔗

Thanks for the apology Sylvie – I’m sure it’s in there somewhere. 🙂

103854 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Bruno, 1, #264 of 1481 🔗

Mea culpa, Mark gets (yet) another uptick from me.

And you get one from me, for a graceful withdrawal under fire.

Much more of this and people will be telling us to get a room…

104005 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Bruno, #265 of 1481 🔗

I’m probably overreacting. I guess what I mean is I feel there should be more outrage against the loss of liberty. I partly blame “Scientism” for this– people pretend they’re arguing about facts and statistics as if it were an axiom that that was all that mattered. There are plenty of things that would save lives and QALYs that you just wouldn’t do. So far we haven’t even banned smoking or private cars (although they are taxed a good deal) but mainly out of inertia. If either had been invented in the last few years it would never have been allowed.

In other areas I agree the window has moved right. But on this particular issue of state intervention it seems to have gone left. Things aren’t as simple as left and right but it’s sort of basically a left idea to entrust more things to the state.

103061 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Bruno, 4, #266 of 1481 🔗

Well I think he has a point about the Overton window if we stick to this one issue. It is very sad that the idea that it’s unacceptable as a matter of principle to lock people in their homes, to criminalize visiting friends and family etc is portrayed as some kind of far right libertarian extremism. We’re reduced to arguing (with even more justification as it happens) that the measures are futile by their own standards and cost more lives than they save. But even if they did save lives they would still be deeply unacceptable. When did we forget that there should always be limits to state intervention, whatever the situation?

103166 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bruno, -2, #267 of 1481 🔗

He’s probably just waving his dick, Sylvie. Explain it to yourself that way.

103120 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #268 of 1481 🔗

Oooh, she informs us via twitter that it’s Professor Greenhalgh’s 33rd wedding anniversary on Saturday. Any ideas for a banner ?

102377 Polemon2, replying to Polemon2, 6, #269 of 1481 🔗

Is there anyone at the BBC who understands that “Land of Hope & Glory” is merely a part of Pomp & Circumstance March No1, an orchestral composition which has no need of “arranging” by Anne Dudley or any other person.
Rule Britannia was originally written to be performed within Thomas Arne’s masque “Alfred” and was, I believe, for a solo singer. It would be nice to hear both pieces without a chorus of raucous audience members.

102413 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Polemon2, 4, #270 of 1481 🔗

To be fair, I don’t think Elgar himself was all that rapturous about the doggerel that his tune became associated with.

But the BBC has certainly lost the plot in taking it at all seriously : it’s like the Mass : words that not many actual believe in as part of a wider tradition that we would be poorer without.

103015 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to RickH, 2, #271 of 1481 🔗

Benson, who wrote the original jingoistic words, backtracked on them later. But that’s irrelevant to the BBC bullshit. There’s always been an element of good-humoured self-parody in the way the audience sings ‘Land of Hope and Glory’. It is -was – a joyous assertion of collective identity.
Deleting joy is what the current crisis is all about.

102381 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 15, #272 of 1481 🔗

I emailed members of my family, including those in Italy and German the following. No one has replied.

My MP, John Redwood, has written back to me “I am trying to get the controls relaxed to fuel a faster economic recovery.” But I fear he may be fighting a lone battle.

“Covid 19 is over in Europe – But our Freedom is not returning

Deaths reported in Europe today: +232 (124 of which were in Russia, Ukraine and Romania)

Europe’s Population: 741.4 million people

That’s 232 out of 741,400,000 people.

Cases  (people testing positive) have only been going up because they have been testing more people.  But deaths continue to fall.  They are testing people who aren’t ill but test positive. These people are all so call asymptomatic, even though the tests aren’t accurate. Meanwhile hospitals are empty.

Despite there is talk of a second lockdown in Britain and ridiculous restrictions continue across Europe. There is no obvious logic to why our governments want to continue to ruin our economies and our freedom.

Last week newspapers were saying that Belarus was Europe’s last dictatorship.

The fact is Sweden is now Europe only free country.

Please contact you local MP and ask them to stop all the restrictions”

103175 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #273 of 1481 🔗

There is no obvious logic to why our governments want to continue to ruin our economies and our freedom.

There is, there is, there is. A world-wide plan to impose a new world order.

You might not agree with it. You may not consider it worth your time to consider.

But the logic is clear and obvious.

103760 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to JohnB, #275 of 1481 🔗

This is exactly what Ickey has maintained for ages, but it is toxic to namecheck him.

102382 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 6, #276 of 1481 🔗

Does anyone have any polling (or other!) info showing the proportion of the public in support of the ‘new normal’ – masks, testing, quarantines, whack-a-mole lockdowns etc – versus those who don’t? My OH tells me my (our) views are ‘extreme’, ‘dangerous’ and very much in the minority – he quoted less than 3% of the UK population as being sceptics, though I can’t find anything to back this up, or provide any deeper insight.

102384 ▶▶ anon, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #277 of 1481 🔗

Well judging by what has happened to this country and most people i meet…

I would accept ~97% are brainwashed

so maybe he’s correct

102453 ▶▶▶ Youth_Unheard, replying to anon, 6, #278 of 1481 🔗

It is true brainwashing in that even those who aren’t scared of the disease will go along with any measures the government says just because it is easier or they don’t think it does any harm. It’s these people who are equally as bad as the locked up at home bed wetters because they stay silent and allow the government to do whatever they like for the odd belief they’ve been brainwashed into thinking that it is for the supposed greater good.

102389 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to HelzBelz, 9, #279 of 1481 🔗

He is right we’re in a minority, but to call our views extreme or dangerous is obviously nonsense – quite the contrary I would say. Give him a firm whack and tell him to pull himself together.

As for 3% – well, think back to 22nd July, pre mask mandate in shops, and voluntary wearing was about 20-30% at worst, and 10-20% most of the time, it gives you an indication of what people really _think_, it’s just that as soon as someone in any sort of position of authority tells them to do something, most do it without thinking. That doesn’t mean they agree or support, just that most people are obedient, whether they agree or not – which is why new mandates always come with punishments attached, cos the powers that be know full well without the fear of punishment, most wouldnt comply.

102789 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Mark II, 2, #280 of 1481 🔗

I think that’s a fair assessment. I’ve yet to speak to anyone who thinks that masks are anything but nonsense, but they all do it anyway, because fines.

102390 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to HelzBelz, 5, #281 of 1481 🔗

Not that can be trusted in any meaningful way – see Simon Dolan’s Twitter today:

https://twitter.com/Wurzelg3/status/1298027653958639621

Personally I’d split it up like this:

10% truly terrified young
10% truly terrified oldies
65% go along with it for a quiet life, do not want to be a rebel
14% are want to be sceptics but don’t know where to find out the facts or who to go about being more rebellious
1% true sceptics fighting the good fight.

102399 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #282 of 1481 🔗

So we really are fighting a losing battle then. Very depressing. I can’t see us ever getting out of this miserable situation.

102510 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to HelzBelz, 7, #283 of 1481 🔗

You’re not defeated until you are dead.

What is the quote/saying from some military leader: Dying takes seconds, the shame of giving up lasts the rest of your life.

Battle has just started.

It only takes 3% of the population to get a revolution going, change things I read in some research. Must be true as the BBC even reported it:

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world

102519 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #284 of 1481 🔗

I see a critical point coming soon when a large percentage of the population has absolutely nothing to lose. That will be the point of maximum danger for the authorities, and you can be certain that they have already planned contingencies for this precise scenario.

102552 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Richard O, 5, #285 of 1481 🔗

It’s already swinging. We weren’t getting comments to articles in the MSM three months ago like we’re seeing now.

102573 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Richard O, #286 of 1481 🔗

The thing that makes me nervous is the narrative that says we are having to carry on with masks and social distancing because of the selfish minority who flout the rules. I am not at all sure that the public will turn on the government, as opposed to each other.

103186 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, #287 of 1481 🔗

Another lockdown..

103416 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Richard O, #288 of 1481 🔗

As I keep saying here, there is no escape from the tsunami of job losses and bankruptcies that have been coming. There will be further increases in non C19 deaths due to cancers, strokes, heart diseases, suicides as well as mental heath issues and violence associated with domestic and child abuse and addiction. Once Joe and Jane Public realise this and have nothing to lose, the day of reckoning will arrive.

103188 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, #289 of 1481 🔗

I reckon we have ’35 of people’ on this site alone. 🙂

But yep, 3% is the estimated number of active participants in the American Revolution.

102761 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #290 of 1481 🔗

“They’ve got us surrounded again, the poor bastards.”Col Abrams. Battle of the Bulge

103185 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to HelzBelz, #291 of 1481 🔗

It’s fatal to enter into any conflict without the determination to win it.

Perhaps better to take up knitting or somesuch if you don’t foresee us winning.

102654 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #292 of 1481 🔗

We are the 1%, then !? Does that mean we get to dodge taxes, own yachts and manipulate governments, or am I thinking of the wrong 1%?

103330 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mark, #293 of 1481 🔗

Don’t believe any of their numbers.

102666 ▶▶ Mark, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #294 of 1481 🔗

Depends what you mean by sceptic, numbers will vary dramatically according to what questions you ask. One measure would be who actually complies with government coronabullshit, and even the recent BBC poll showed that dropping from 96% in April to 83% in August, suggesting your OH’s 3% is way off.

More like 17%, on that basis, and I think numbers of sceptics are increasing all the time..

The real point is issues, not labels. On so many of the issues, we have been proved correct.

102681 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Mark, 1, #295 of 1481 🔗

Exactly – I think this is why you can’t get any real information. E.g the question ‘do you think the government has handled the Covid crisis well / badly’ gives no insight because we would all say badly but so would those who believe lockdowns should have been sooner and more draconian. Agree we have been right on most things but that doesn’t seem to be convincing the majority. Hadn’t seen that Sticking to the Rules poll – that’s more positive 🙂

103232 ▶▶ Paco Picopiedra, replying to HelzBelz, 3, #296 of 1481 🔗

Never posted so apologies if format of replying is wrong

I take part in online surveys via an app for YouGov(obviously done with a throwaway email etc) and in a poll taken over a month ago regarding facemasks the question was if the government said it was NOT obligatory to wear facemasks what would you do??

24% said stop wearing it
58% said continue wearing it until they felt safe (that’s probably always then)
13% said I don’t wear a facemask

Strangely enough their was no difference in gender, the difference in opinion came in the 18-24 and 65+ categories where they were the most wary of giving up the mask, strange to me considering 18-24 year olds consume barely any MSM nonsense, the real rebels were the 25-49 age range where less of them wear the mask and would keep wearing it through being afraid. It was a poll of 8000 folks and was only done via an app but it probably gives you an idea that there is a bigger number of sceptics than the world would have you believe.

For what its worth I live in one of the least populated areas of the country and most people in this area that I have spoken to are incredibly sceptic, we have had no cases in our village or a 5 mile radius at all, never mind in the last month but since this nonsense started, so much so that the shop here has absolutely no facemasks or social distancing at all and never has.

I have personal history with dodgy vaccines and the dangers of misdiagnosis so I was naturally sceptical, I’d hazard a guess the rural and urban areas have wildly varied ranges of belief.

102383 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #297 of 1481 🔗

https://twitter.com/jhnhellstrom/status/1298160442527944706/photo/1

The Swedish government is constrained in its control over their Public Health Bodies unlike in other countries due to peculiarities in the Swedish Constitution

“Our government would actually break the law and our constitution if they didn’t follow our different science driven agencies… Many forget this aspect when they discuss the Swedish corona strategy

As explained in the English introduction of The Regeringsform the government
Has no powers to intervene in an agency’s decisions in specific matters relating to the application of the law or due exercise of its authority. In many other countries it is common for an individual minister to have the power to intervene directly through a decision in an agency’s day-to-day operations. This possibility does not exist in Sweden, however. Collective Government decision-making and the ban on instruction agencies on individual matters are expressions of the prohibition of “ministerial rule”, as it is often called

 Further in the constitution Chapter 12,Art 2 of the Regeringsform
Independence of administration
No public authority, including the Riksdag (Parliament),or decision-making body of any local authority, may determine how an administritative authority shall decide in a particular case relating to the exercise of public authority vis-à-vis an individual or local authority,or relating to the application of law

102428 ▶▶ snippet, replying to swedenborg, 2, #298 of 1481 🔗

Thanks for sharing. This gives me renewed hope that Sweden will stick to its guns. The only way for this to end is for the rest of the world to be shown that they have committed economic and cultural suicide for a single risk amongst the many risks of normal life.

102385 Polemon2, replying to Polemon2, 23, #299 of 1481 🔗

Occasional report from the front. Visit to Asda this morning. No holy water at the door. No class monitor checking people on entry. One-way arrows on floor removed. Not very busy but spotted at least 5 other unmasked shoppers. Better than last week – some small progress.

103116 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Polemon2, 2, #300 of 1481 🔗

I’m generally noticing fewer door monitors at the entry to shops and also to indoor shopping centres. Maybe they feel that people are compliant enough already. I also notice a lot of masks worn under the nose or on the chin, ready to be pulled up if necessary. These are the 65% which somebody mentioned earlier who think it’s all a bit nonsensical but comply for a quiet life.

102391 Basics, replying to Basics, #301 of 1481 🔗

Does anyone know the location of the boxed, visor wearing masked and idolated school children picture at top comes from?

102506 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Sarigan, #303 of 1481 🔗

Thank you. I saw that in my image search. I should have said where in the world is it? Which country?

102640 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Basics, #304 of 1481 🔗

it looks like the states to me..

102639 ▶▶ smurfs, replying to Basics, 1, #305 of 1481 🔗

If you can bear to use it then Google provides a reverse image search facility described here .

Here are the results for that image.

Not obvious where the image appeared first but the fact it appeared in 30+ main stream media web sites within a couple of days of each other would suggest it is part of a propaganda hit piece.

Edit: LS web site appears in the results so obviously excluded from propaganda comment above 🙂

102809 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to smurfs, 1, #306 of 1481 🔗

Thanks. I did get to the reverse image search before. Which is why I asked. Genuinely interested as those i shared the image with asked where. It appears murky.

102929 ▶▶▶▶ smurfs, replying to Basics, #307 of 1481 🔗

Yes, very murky, especially as it seemed to simultaneously appear in various web sites across the globe.

103202 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to smurfs, #308 of 1481 🔗

Torture-shit-pics-for-cash Advertising Inc, in a capital city near you.

103204 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, #309 of 1481 🔗

The same sort of clowns that do the pics on fag packets.

102395 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #310 of 1481 🔗

What percent of Covid deaths were directly from Covid? – from the Spectator

Just how many people have died of Covid-19, as opposed to having died with the virus? It is a poignant question, especially after it was revealed that Public Health England had been counting a Covid death as anyone who died after testing positive for the virus, even if they swiftly recovered and went on to die of some other cause, like under a proverbial bus. A study by the health authorities in the Östergötland region of south-eastern Sweden aims to answer the question.

The study looks at the cases of 122 people who have died in the region outside of a hospital setting – either at home or in accommodation for the elderly – and whose deaths were attributed to Covid-19. Half of this group were aged 88 or over. Of the 122 cases, 111 were judged to have extensive comorbidities (the presence of one or more additional conditions) and 11 had moderate comorbidities. Not one of those who died, in other words, were in good health. In only 15 per cent of cases was Covid-19 judged to be the direct cause of death. Covid-19 was a contributory cause in 70 per cent of cases, and in the remaining 15 per cent death was judged to have been caused by another underlying cause – most often heart disease. The study can be read here , in Swedish.

Debate continues to rage over the rights and wrongs of the Swedish approach to Covid-19 – whether the refusal to lock down helped stave off economic disaster, or whether it led to thousands of needless deaths; whether it helped Swedes gain a degree of herd immunity to Covid-19, or whether the country remains as exposed to a second wave of the disease as any other nation. The analysis in Östergötland covers a small sample of people but provides some enlightenment on the nature of the deaths recorded by Sweden during the epidemic. It confirms what has been evident elsewhere: many of those recorded as dying of the virus already had short life expectancies due to underlying health conditions, and a small percentage of those deaths had nothing to do with Covid at all – the death would have occurred anyway from another illness, whether the deceased had contracted the virus or not.

WRITTEN BY
Ross Clark

102441 ▶▶ Will, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #311 of 1481 🔗

Uk death stats, mean age 81.5, 75% over 75. Over 90% two comorbidities.

102554 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #312 of 1481 🔗

Not as deadly as they would have us believe.

102759 ▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #313 of 1481 🔗

Three score years and ten used to be the average. Medical science (and better nutrition, central heating, safer working environments etc) have increased that extensively. But at a cost. So many take lots of pills to keep going. Some continue to live actively and productively and the joy of having them about is a bonus for those generations coming behind them. But there is a reckoning and I think this virus is that reckoning.

102401 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 12, #314 of 1481 🔗

I know I keep banging on about the same thing

How many cases where the individual has refused to pay their fixed penalty notices have been prosecuted in the courts?

Answer: None

Why?

There was already a six month backlog in the courts before any FPN’s were issued, and it’s getting worse

Most judges are shielding and not in work, as are many magistrates

The majority of defence lawyers are furloughed, and will never return to work

It’s not that the system may crash, it already has

I would never incite anyone to commit a criminal offence, but I think you can work this one out for yourselves

102419 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 2, #315 of 1481 🔗

My point being that laws that are never enforced are not really laws at all

103215 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, #316 of 1481 🔗

I would never incite anyone to commit a criminal offence …

For shame, Cecil. 🙂

Don’t wear a mask.
Walk close to strangers.
Assemble in large numbers.
Sing.

102767 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Cecil B, 2, #317 of 1481 🔗

“An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust … is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law.”

102403 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 24, #318 of 1481 🔗

Maybe you didn’t catch it Toby, but the flu numbers have been about average meaning that masks have had no impact on viral transmission.

So if you wanted a real-world example of the lunacy of masks there it is.

102442 ▶▶ Youth_Unheard, replying to mhcp, 8, #319 of 1481 🔗

That’s what has puzzled me the most, how have ANY of the measures made any difference if flu has stayed constant??

102562 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to mhcp, 3, #320 of 1481 🔗

Which world make sense. If cloth coverings worked we would never smell any farts.

102407 RonniC, replying to RonniC, 4, #321 of 1481 🔗

I’d just like to recommend everyone to watch on YouTube the Kiffness Lockdown Parodies. They’re really brilliant. The Kiffness is a Cape Town singer/comedian called David Scott. As I expect everyone knows, South Africa’s lockdown has been particularly harsh and has already resulted in literally hundreds of thousands of people of all races losing their jobs. Not least members of my family. But anyway, do watch the Kiffness — he’ll cheer you up no end.

103276 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to RonniC, #322 of 1481 🔗

I get locked down, I want banana bread, …

Most excellent.

102414 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 4, #323 of 1481 🔗

And they call people doing normal stuff (going to beach, pubs, raves) Covidiots!

102555 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to HelzBelz, #324 of 1481 🔗

Or selfish.

102415 PWL, replying to PWL, 3, #325 of 1481 🔗

Organise your own home schooling with others in your community. Group together and pay a teacher if you have to. It does the soul better than begging with Boris Johnson not to make prison camp more like prison camp.

And organise in your communities so that UK Government cannot enforce its legislation.

http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/06/in-the-economic-carnage-of-coronahoax-fallout-the-target-is-uk-government-and-administrators-of-the-debt-for-wealth-financial-system/

103280 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to PWL, #326 of 1481 🔗

Agreed. There are likely to be loads of people with valuable skills/experience/knowledge who would be happy to get involved.

102420 peter charles, replying to peter charles, 1, #327 of 1481 🔗

A question for all the experts here. When I mention the current low deaths and hospital admissions to hospitals, or the current flu out numbering the corona victims, I sometimes get the argument: “ah, but Corona virus leaves scars on the lungs”. What is the truth here?

102430 ▶▶ A Reader, replying to peter charles, 5, #328 of 1481 🔗

That is true – for a small minority people it unfortunately does. But so do a number of other respiratory diseases including flu, pneumonia etc, if you get them badly.

102437 ▶▶▶ peter charles, replying to A Reader, 1, #329 of 1481 🔗

thanks. It would nice to have some numbers though. Links?

102587 ▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to peter charles, 3, #330 of 1481 🔗

These articles describes lung damage in influenza and the other neurological damage. It is always impossible to give exact numbers in such rare pictures of influenza and know how often they occur. But neurological complications occur in influenza. Children, especially in Japan, can have influenza encephalitis. After Spanish flu there were epidemics of von Economo’s enchephaltis affecting thousands of patients in the beginning of 1920s and probably related to late complications of Spanish flu.
There is speculation that the high rate of cardiac disease in 1960-1970 with myocardial infarction due to atherosclerosis in men really was caused by pregnant women in 1918 infected by Spanish flu.
But these are rare events and one should always have in mind that 10 times more had the disease of C-19 or flu than detected cases. Probably already 200-300 million people has already been infected with C-19

https://erj.ersjournals.com/content/45/5/1463

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4684089/

102777 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, #331 of 1481 🔗

You can even get Kawasaki syndrome from common cold coronavirus NL63 according to some reports.

103312 ▶▶▶▶▶ peter charles, replying to swedenborg, #332 of 1481 🔗

Thanks Swedenborg. The upshot being that CV 19 is not especially hard on the lungs except in the serious cases, but that applies to influenza etc. too

102463 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to A Reader, 1, #333 of 1481 🔗

And smoking

103282 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to stefarm, #334 of 1481 🔗

Link ?

🙂

102650 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to peter charles, 3, #335 of 1481 🔗

I’ve got scars from pneumonia 30 years ago. It would only affect me if I were an Olympic athlete. You can have scarring and still function.

103313 ▶▶▶ peter charles, replying to Thinkaboutit, #336 of 1481 🔗

thanks for your response. Other answers also indicate that scarring may not be as bad as it might sound.

102421 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 1, #337 of 1481 🔗

https://email.number10.gov.uk

A better alternative to Twatter. Email Boris, with your objections to masks, especially for children.

102676 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Lms23, #338 of 1481 🔗

That’s limited to 1000 characters I think.

E-mail on this: boris.johnson.mp@parliament.uk

Still won’t get any reply though.

103003 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #339 of 1481 🔗

never mind, numbers count.

102429 Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 1, #340 of 1481 🔗

Episode 3 of Bedwetters podcast has landed! I hope you enjoy, tell your other Skeptics friends and bang the subscribe! 👉 https://bedwetters.buzzsprout.com

102485 ▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, #341 of 1481 🔗

This time we look at ‘The Twitter Mob’, peer reviewed studies about the IN-efficacy of masks among random stories from around the world. Enjoy!

103332 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, #342 of 1481 🔗

Is there any way to edit a twitter comment? Change it? Turn it on its head?

102431 Gerry Mandarin, 6, #343 of 1481 🔗

Government should insist that children do not wear masks in schools.

102433 NonCompliant, replying to NonCompliant, 3, #344 of 1481 🔗

I sensed a lot more scepticism while out in town on Saturday night.

What are the laws in the UK regards:

  1. Handing out fliers in public places?
  2. Fly posters?

I think it might be time for both of these approaches. All the evidence in the world is out there now, we’re no longer short on data.

102438 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to NonCompliant, 2, #345 of 1481 🔗

Fliers only to be handed out if both parties disinfect their hands as leaflet is handed over…

102536 ▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 1, #346 of 1481 🔗

Things are that bent out of shape now it’s difficult to know if your being serious or just having a laugh!

102932 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to NonCompliant, #347 of 1481 🔗

Storm Parliament and throw the bums out.

102434 Jane in France, replying to Jane in France, 10, #348 of 1481 🔗

I watched some of that Devi Sridhar interview – couldn’t bear to watch it all. She is a stupid woman who thinks she’s clever. My grandmother used to call it nature’s compensation. She talks convincingly. She is also just the type to appeal to Nicola Sturgeon – a glamorous feminist in a woke government where glamour is in short supply. But at least, as I understand it, kids in Scotland have to wear masks only when moving from class to class which is something. In France they have to wear them on the bus and in class too. I pity anyone who still has school-age children.

102479 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Jane in France, 2, #349 of 1481 🔗

Well done for suffering what you did. Today is manner from heaven seeing comments from good people as they witness sridhar and judge.

Don’t forget her, she is one of many links in the dissemination of globalist policy to governments which directly infect our lives. A useful idiot if ever there was one, ego’d up on herself.

I vow not to make another comment on this subject today!

102503 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Jane in France, 1, #350 of 1481 🔗

CHELSEA CLINTON AND DEVI SRIDHARGOVERNING GLOBAL HEALTH: WHO RUNS THE WORLD AND WHY Hay Festival 2018,  Saturday 2 June 2018
‘Nuff said

102530 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Polemon2, #351 of 1481 🔗

See the book reviews on amazon.

102598 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Jane in France, 1, #352 of 1481 🔗

The problem is too many people can/want to be fooled by supposed ‘background’. She is neither a medic nor a scientist. She has our equivalent of A Levels from a bygone era but mysteriously ended up as the youngest ever Rhodes Scholar, supporting her to do an MPhil and DPhil in social policy at Oxford when she was 18/19. In the good old days, Rhodes Scholars had first degrees from places like University of Auckland, Melbourne McGill, or indeed Harvard, Yale or Stanford (Ivy League, and at a push, the 7 Sisters). Not the University of Miami’s undergraduate link course (2 year undergraduate degree in Biology) for the 40th ranked US medical school. That is why, to anyone with a science background, she is not credible. Follow the money!

102646 ▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #353 of 1481 🔗

So she’s a globalist plant.

103303 ▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #354 of 1481 🔗

She is not a journalist either, yet did land a $600k a year job as some kind of special reporter/correspondent (whatever they called it) not long after coming out of education, while her mother simultaneously travelled the country complaining about white privilege.

103333 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jane in France, #355 of 1481 🔗

Children are their future bed-wetters. Train them early.

102435 PWL, replying to PWL, 1, #356 of 1481 🔗

By the way, the Proms controversy is one designed to generate a desire to want to maintain the fences on the plantation. By rights, every Briton should feel aversion to singing “Never will be slaves” and “land of hope and glory” for shame after supinely accepting lockdown. This rumpus is for generating an override of the feeling. It’s an essential plank of the control grid that you fantasise about being great and being free.

If you want to feel proud, put the Queen in jail.

http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2020/04/the-queen-is-at-economic-war-with-the-british-people/

103290 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to PWL, #357 of 1481 🔗

Not sure every Briton supinely accepted lockdown. You maybe mean the majority ?

102454 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Sarigan, 4, #359 of 1481 🔗

Which means it wasn’t even a u-turn.

Place your bets now on when masks for everyone, everywhere, forever will be mandated.

102471 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Richard O, 2, #360 of 1481 🔗

Absolutely right.

3 weeks to flatten the curve.

102634 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 1, #361 of 1481 🔗

Welcome to Week 22 of the three week lockdown.

102456 ▶▶ matt, replying to Sarigan, 6, #362 of 1481 🔗

Oh. For. Fuck’s. Sake.

102469 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Sarigan, 4, #363 of 1481 🔗

Gov advisors swayed at the weekend by WHO report. Politicians make judgement.

Abandon old ideas that the UK Government is in charge of Britain.

WHO know they are controlling nations with publications.

Workplaces next?

102476 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Basics, 2, #364 of 1481 🔗

My workplace has already mandated them so this will make little difference. All governments and corporations have been entirely co-opted by the global elite driving this. “We’re all in this together”, remember?

103292 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, #365 of 1481 🔗

Have they done a risk assessment Richard ? (Apologies if already asked and answered)

103296 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to JohnB, #366 of 1481 🔗

They claim they have, in collaboration with an external H&S expert, but without providing any details.

When the time comes I will be asking for both proof of their claim that masks prevent viral transmission and the details of said risk assessment.

102924 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basics, #367 of 1481 🔗

Hack the Globalink Network.

102470 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to Sarigan, 9, #368 of 1481 🔗

“Boris Johnson has suggested the government could change its current policy that pupils don’t have to wear face coverings in secondary schools in England.”

Sturgeon may as well be the f’ing PM as Boris just follows what ever she bloody does.

102489 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to EssieSW, 1, #369 of 1481 🔗

Its direct from SAGE type groups following WHO published findings this week.

Krankie fishface may have been quicker to annouce globalist cowtowing, but it most certainly is not the case nanny mcfuck is dictating to boris. The advisors to all nations* are stacked with WHO stooges.

*who advises Sweden?

102500 ▶▶▶▶ EssieSW, replying to Basics, #370 of 1481 🔗

Fair enough!
Nanny McFuck is brilliant by the way, don’t think I have heard that one yet

102542 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to EssieSW, 1, #371 of 1481 🔗

Would say though that the game of sturgeon is to keep ahead of boris on these issues of reversal. Just that she is not the cutting edge pioneer of policy – i think that’s obvious however!

102508 ▶▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Basics, 2, #372 of 1481 🔗

Sweden isn’t in Nato though. Can’t actually see how that would make a difference, but it might.

102919 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to EssieSW, #373 of 1481 🔗

They have a secret love affair?

102449 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 4, #374 of 1481 🔗

At least Kim-Jong Dan has the decency to admit openly to his subjects that lockdown isn’t ending any time soon.

After two years of “living” like this, what will be left and who will remember what “normal” felt like?

102631 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Richard O, 5, #375 of 1481 🔗

It won’t last that long. Seriously. It’s unnatural and against our instincts. Bound to fail and I guarantee it. NO dictatorship in history has imprisoned its entire population this way. I can already smell the blood.

102918 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nick Rose, #376 of 1481 🔗

Danny boy’s blood, I hope.

102458 p02099003, 2, #377 of 1481 🔗

Minor point on geography Guayaquil is in Ecuador not Brazil.

102460 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #378 of 1481 🔗

Swinney. Sky live interview.
The new WHO guidance at the weekend persuaded our advisors and so we have made thos chanfes today.

Scotland absolutely in the pocket of globalists. WHO are not elected but are directly causing our misery. And WHO know it. Globalist UN organisation has been broken for good during the Corona scamdemic. What they say they stand for, they can no longer stand for. Where there is no trust there can be no respect.

On the basis of changed evidence the politicians are making judgements says swinney. Curious the pattern of thos judgements repeatedly pushes freedom and liberty away and creates more and more authoritarian control. A curious set of judgemdnts indeed. An unforgetable series of judgements.

An aside Swinney’s office in the concrete bunker that actually is Holyrood looks like a prison cell, brutal concrete walls. It suits his shorn-headed convict look.

102564 ▶▶ alw, replying to Basics, 1, #379 of 1481 🔗

From WHO

102591 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to alw, 1, #380 of 1481 🔗

Thank you. This explains ehy in the first weeks of this loss of human rights and freedom there was a basket full of rags next to a sewing machine on the steps to a closed shop. The idea was rummage in the remnants, hand the rag to the tailor- whos shop behind them was closed by giv policy. You left with a little tiny piece of insanity. Entirely unsustainable. Lasted ohhh a day, then through bordom or exposure to the elements the fad stopped.

Interesting to read the words above.

102847 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to alw, 1, #381 of 1481 🔗

Puke. Vomit.

102625 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 2, #382 of 1481 🔗

Not just the WHO. Time to leave the UN.

102464 peter, replying to peter, -14, #383 of 1481 🔗

Toby is now using this blog to peddle the same fear porn as the MSM, it’s brain cancer mate.

102473 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to peter, 1, #384 of 1481 🔗

How so?

102925 ▶▶▶ peter, replying to Sarigan, -2, #385 of 1481 🔗

He keeps pushing Covid 19 is a real virus. It’s a lie from start to finish, one big dirty evil hoax. The fact he keeps pushing incompetence theory marks him out as a shill.

102497 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to peter, 1, #386 of 1481 🔗

You’ll have to be a bit more specific than that LMFAO

102621 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to NonCompliant, #387 of 1481 🔗

Think he must be BoneyKnee’s replacement.

102466 northeastnostromo, 5, #388 of 1481 🔗

A few weeks ago I heard on the radio ‘ the exams had to be cancelled because of Covid which didn’t even happen during the war’ – of course this being an idiot on the BBC the focus was completely the wrong way around, stressing how deadly the virus must be for this unprecedented step rather than comparing deaths of children from the 2 events(over 7000 against 7) to illustrate what a ludicrous over reaction it was.

102478 kf99, replying to kf99, 26, #389 of 1481 🔗

A sceptical MP
https://twitter.com/MarcusFysh/status/1298246876366540801
Masks should be banned in schools. The country should be getting back to normal not pandering to this scientifically illiterate guff”

102487 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to kf99, 3, #390 of 1481 🔗

Marcus Fysh will be having an unfortunate accident very soon.

102547 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Richard O, 2, #391 of 1481 🔗

He’ll be getting his chips!

102611 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Richard O, 4, #392 of 1481 🔗

Just told him to get rid of Johnson.

102494 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to kf99, 3, #393 of 1481 🔗

A world first !!!! I bet the CCP Twitter bots will be directed at him shortly !

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1270925788389486593.html?refreshed=1598261255

102511 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to NonCompliant, 3, #394 of 1481 🔗

His party’s whip certainly will…

102672 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to kf99, #395 of 1481 🔗

Where has he been since March?

102845 ▶▶ annie, replying to kf99, #396 of 1481 🔗

At least there is one!

102856 ▶▶ annie, replying to kf99, 1, #397 of 1481 🔗

I’ve emailed him a message of support and commendation.

103286 ▶▶ Catherine123, replying to Jane, 1, #399 of 1481 🔗

I’d put off watching the Pandemic film as I thought it might be a bit too out there but it was excellent and really informative about the way things are stacked against whistleblowers and about the takeover of modern medicine by pharmaceutical companies. Thank you for posting the link again.

102484 mjr, replying to mjr, 11, #400 of 1481 🔗

Roving report
Today haircut. Whereas last time barber was following all the guidelines and visored up and asked me to wear a mask, today totally laid back. He still wore a mask but only because he was scared of the council stasi. Apparently he had a surprise visit last week from the council. Long chat about how it is all bollocks. Put him on to this site.
Then to big Asda. lots of sheeple wearing masks. Quite a few not. But much more relaxed. Nice conversation with the unmasked lady on the till, Lots of smiles between us.

103306 ▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to mjr, #401 of 1481 🔗

Think I’ve seen (and heard of, from others) of literally just 1 masked member of staff, across two separate branches of Asda, the last 2-3 weeks. One branch my friend asked the other day, ‘Oh, I see none of your staff appear to wear masks’
‘That’s right’ checkout lady replied, ‘we’re here most of the day, you see, can’t wear them all day’.
‘Sure. Has anyone felt ill? or felt scared of the virus at all, in this time?’
‘Oh no. absolutely not.’ Checkout lady replied. I wonder if she will ponder this thought at all……:)

102486 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 29, #402 of 1481 🔗

In my former life, I taught in secondary schools for thirty years. Uniform was always a problem:skirts too short, ties worn like lanyards, shirts untucked, the list is endless. Teachers could spend their whole day telling off children for pushing the boundaries on uniform if they chose to.

How much effort will be wasted on ensuring masks are on before children leave a classroom to go to another lesson two doors down the corridor?

“Please miss, I’ve lost my mask” will prove to be a great time waster.

Will children be punished for not wearing a mask?

When half the class is off sick with strep throat or someone goes down with meningitis, as is likely with mask wearing, whom will be blamed?

Will there be exemptions? Lots of children carry inhalers for asthma these days. How will it make those children feel who are ‘different’ because they can’t wear masks?

Uniform is already a big outgoing for parents. Disposable masks, of which many would be needed for a whole week, cost about £3 for 3. If you have more than one child at secondary school, think of the cost, after all you can’t use hand-me-down masks like you can a blazer.

I suppose we will be seeing children demanding the latest designer masks and trying to outdo one another. Perhaps a school will be designing its own mask. Who knows?

The whole thing will be a nightmare to police but if that’s what the teachers’ unions are pushing for, then they only have themselves to blame.

102491 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Margaret, 6, #403 of 1481 🔗

Also they will be putting them on and taking them off throughout the day.

102499 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Margaret, 5, #404 of 1481 🔗

Writing on them a message to the world would be my choice action. I wonder if I would get an interview with the head for expressing what I thought about the mask on the mask.

“This is dangerous”
“Toxic”
“Stupid”
“Pointless”

102513 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Margaret, 8, #405 of 1481 🔗

If children have no masks, will they be told to get one from the lost property mask box (as we always had to do with forgotten gym kit) ?
Or maybe they should just do a Wilfred

102525 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to mjr, #406 of 1481 🔗

Ironically from Scotland of course – DC Thomson. Someone please incorporate this into mug, T-shirt, etc.

102516 ▶▶ David, replying to Margaret, 2, #407 of 1481 🔗

Are the teaching unions actually pushing for it though?

102488 p02099003, 1, #408 of 1481 🔗

I have been called an armchair crank despite the evidence people still don’t want children back at school. https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/children-safer-leicester-schools-out-4453481

102509 Morris_Day, replying to Morris_Day, 43, #409 of 1481 🔗

How can people not see that making children where masks at schools will only heighten the risks to them of becoming ill? (certainly not of Covid).

They are children, they will not have 25 masks and disgard one after each use (neither would I)…. My twelve year old will have a mask screwed up in her school blazer jacket, she will be made to wear it in the corridors to class, then take it off in classroom, probably leaving it on the desk, then it will go back on, then it will fall on the floor when she gets dinner money out of her pocket, then she will be made to wear it again, then it will go onto another desk. Rinse repeat. For days. Using the same hands that have touched her mobile phone which has been shared around all her friends to show the latest funny meme. This germ-ridden mask will be infecting her with all manner of bacteria and will no doubt make a healthy kid ill.

Covid is a zero percent threat to her. We have totally lost the fucking plot. I despair.

102529 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Morris_Day, 3, #410 of 1481 🔗

Another excuse to close the schools.

102544 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Morris_Day, 3, #411 of 1481 🔗

2 words – risk assessment

102514 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 19, #412 of 1481 🔗

Mrs Dick announces sweeping police reforms

To day at a press conference Mrs Dick said. “In these difficult and changing times we need to manage our resources carefully in order to meet head on new challenges and emerging threats. So today I am announcing the following changes”

Knife and gun crime . “In the last ten years we have achieved great things in this area. We have had huge year on year increases and now we are at he high point of what we able to achieve

Therefore I am going to re deployed staff from this area into two new units so we can be more focused on what the public actually want

The two new units will be:

The J and B Directorate

This group will have a national remit and will target the emerging threat of children’s birthday parties. Whilst many parties have been successfully broken up; there is intelligence to suggest that jelly and blancmange is still being purchased and distributed in huge amounts.

We intend to target the dealers who through their thoughtless actions bring misery to their communities

We have a report of a game of pass the parcel in Cornwall in early June, and we will be setting up an incident room to investigate that. (If you have any information please call the confidential helpline that will be circulated after this conference)

Our aim initially will be to disrupt these activities by closing down websites selling party hats

“S” Section

On Monday morning of each week I will wake up, and decide what I don’t like. If I can’t make up my mind I’ll ring Matt for advice

The ‘S Section’ will consist of 5,000 officers who will be deployed into shaming people into doing as I say, and liking what I like.

And finally, no I don’t look like a sack of shit tied in the middle when I’m in uniform, my mates tell me I look very smart

102842 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, #413 of 1481 🔗

Don’t give the foul female ideas!

102515 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 21, #414 of 1481 🔗

Thinking of ordering a T-shirt:

[front]
Scared of Covid?
Cheer up…

[back]
You’re probably dying of cancer

102561 ▶▶ Kristian Short, replying to Ovis, #415 of 1481 🔗

I’d take one. Where from?

102843 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Ovis, #416 of 1481 🔗

Like it put me down for One

102522 Drawde927, replying to Drawde927, 5, #417 of 1481 🔗

Reading the Washington Post article on Brazil, it does feel like there’s a definite change in mood in even strongly pro-lockdown, fearmongering publications (not read the Washington Post much but I had the impression it’s similar to the NY Times) are starting to discuss things like herd immunity, albeit cautiously and with fearful predictions that “the virus could mutate”

Similarly the i (Independent) headline today was all about the potential risks of a rushed/fast-tracked vaccine – a turnaround from the (non-sceptical) media’s usual approach of regarding the vaccine as a magic bullet whilst discrediting or casting doubt on any other sources of hope (eg natural immunity)

Statements from SAGE members that children are at minimal risk, masks increase the risk of infection for children, and lockdown may have been a mistake (see yesterday) also seem like the sort of thing I’d never predict even a couple of weeks ago.

Whether this is simply a gradual evolution in opinions/attitudes or if it’s part of some orchestrated attempt at changing the official narrative bit by bit without people noticing ( The past had never been altered …) it has to be better than nothing!

102531 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Drawde927, 3, #418 of 1481 🔗

Bezos owns the post. Agenda has shifted to economic worries. He wins either way

102908 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #419 of 1481 🔗

Boycott Amazon!

102538 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Drawde927, 2, #420 of 1481 🔗

…the i (Independent) headline today was all about the potential risks of a rushed/fast-tracked vaccine

Could be a double-edged sword. Instead of it all being over by Christmas, people become used to the idea of social distancing for years, until the mythical vaccine is safe.

102548 ▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #421 of 1481 🔗

people become used to the idea of social distancing for years

I know this is optimistic, but I’m kind of hoping that this will be impossible over such a long time scale – it’s so fundamentally against human behaviour and psychology, especially as there’s a limit to how much “Project Fear” can spin out ever-decreasing deaths. Even without the economic damage that’s starting to hit, keeping it going until Christmas or early 2021 seems like a stretch!

102575 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Drawde927, 2, #422 of 1481 🔗

Furlough ending will be the big wake up call.

102583 ▶▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Nick Rose, #423 of 1481 🔗

Yep – that will focus minds

102574 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #424 of 1481 🔗

It’s breaking down already. Take heart, this will be over. Wish I knew exactly when, but it will be over.

102526 Seansaighdeoir, 22, #425 of 1481 🔗

Its tempting to recall the tune – ‘if you tolerate this then your children will be next’. Well people tolerated the imposition of mask wearing and guess what? Now they are coming for the children.

What will it take for people to wake up to this and say ‘enough’!

Once masks are accepted as mandatory in schools then they will be on to the next step slowly strangling the life out of life and liberty. It won’t end until people stand up.

102528 Jane, replying to Jane, 25, #426 of 1481 🔗

“German Doctors Speak Out” has been removed from YouTube for “violating community standards,”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbBBv2IO8WI&feature=youtu.be

Tlis is extremely alarming.

Who the eff is a Youtube brat to censor 1000 German doctors– members of one of the world’s best medical systems, if not the best.

.

102534 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Jane, 5, #427 of 1481 🔗

Earlier today I looked through a tab on my browser I had forgotten about where I had bookmarked lots of Covid related YouTube videos. Apart from some UK Columns, Spiked and Sky Oz, they were all gone…!

102546 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Jane, 4, #428 of 1481 🔗

The only good news is that there’s a good chance we can find all the deleted videos on other platforms like BitChute – https://www.bitchute.com/video/nz31AgGPmLcx/

102551 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Quernus, #429 of 1481 🔗

The trouble is I don’t know what most of them were as they often have nondescript titles. So I’ll never find them.

102581 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Quernus, #430 of 1481 🔗

Problem is most ordinary people don’t know about that (I only recently discovered it) so the censorship is effective by just blocking the major outlets (youtube/twitter/facebook).

102532 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 7, #431 of 1481 🔗

Good to see the sceptics comments on this mad piece in the Telegraph (mandatory masks for school kids):
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/25/childrens-sake-wrap-face-coverings-not-cotton-wool/

102549 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to zacaway, 8, #432 of 1481 🔗

You would think the owners of the Telegraph would look at the comments and think “Are we right?”. That they don’t proves this is all a big fix.

102578 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Lockdown Truth, #433 of 1481 🔗

They have the occasional sceptical piece, but main narrative seems to follow the rest of the MSM. They really should look at what their readers think – there’s surely an opportunity to differentiate from all the other papers / BBC.

102565 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to zacaway, 9, #434 of 1481 🔗

I’ve been following the comments and she is getting an absolute, and well-deserved roasting.

102616 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #435 of 1481 🔗

Not that our efforts at roasting her made much difference. The Telegraph is reporting Bojo is about to mandate masks for 12+ year olds. Just watch them start cranking up demands for the under 12s next.

102793 ▶▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #436 of 1481 🔗

It’s his funeral – just adds more wood to his pyre!

102892 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #437 of 1481 🔗

Every single commment on this article (of the hundred or so I’ve skimmed) is against her. Even Fraisy Lou (D Tel’s 77th brigader) is silent.

Masking children returning to school may prove to be the tipping point for Middle England.

102723 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to zacaway, 2, #438 of 1481 🔗

Wonder if this will turn the tide. Well this and Daddy lost his job and it’s getting colder.

102788 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to zacaway, 2, #439 of 1481 🔗

I think it is the first time since all this started, where I’ve seen consistent comments against the writer and quite angry ones too. To my comment, I added, when will adults apply the same arguments to themselves and stop wearing masks in shops etc.

103121 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ruth Sharpe, #440 of 1481 🔗

Good one!

103118 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to zacaway, #441 of 1481 🔗

Those comments are awesome – and very encouraging!
It’s an appalling article though.

102540 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 10, #442 of 1481 🔗

Taxi report.
I just dropped my car into the main dealer, apart from the unused hand sanitizer it’s as if Covid never happened.
My taxi home arrived soon enough, the masked* lady driver ordered me into the back seats from where I am separated from her by thick plastic sheeting which meant she could not hear my request to go by preferred route.
I made no attempt at further conversation with this faceless barricaded person until outside paying the fare.

*I’m so used to not thinking about masks I didn’t have one with me.
If she thinks they’re so important why didn’t she offer me one to wear ?

Give me a grumpy old gammon driver next time please.

102557 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to karenovirus, 1, #443 of 1481 🔗

I hope you didn’t tip her?

102570 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tenchy, 7, #444 of 1481 🔗

No I didn’t, might have done had she not made me rummage around for 10p on a £10.10 fare.

103127 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, #445 of 1481 🔗

No problem accepting “dirty” cash then?

102541 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 9, #446 of 1481 🔗

Hi All

Here is my top ten list of key topics that we need to get out to the public. Please let me know what should go and what should be added.

Thanks

  • Real risk to people, average age of death close to life expectancy, comorbidities, etc
  • Second wave, Cases v Tests v deaths etc
  • Immunity, T-cells, vaccine etc
  • CV19 v other pandemics since WW1
  • Lockdowns: Pros & Cons (NHS/non-covid deaths, Education)
  • GDP v Poverty v Increased mortality
  • Recording of deaths as of Covid with Covid etc
  • Science is not what you think it is. Quick explanation
  • Mitigation measures introduced at the end of outbreak; flatten the curve mission creep, etc
  • MSM Project Fear; SAGE Personal threat etc
102563 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Lockdown Truth, 5, #447 of 1481 🔗

I work in fives – five bullet points as people can only count on the fingers of one hand! Visuals also important – the death chart from March says a lot. Focus on key stats – average age of those who have died, how many have died in hospitals and care homes, how many die of flu in a ‘normal’ year.

102568 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 9, #448 of 1481 🔗

The nazis kept it to threes,
Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer

The Covid/lockdown propagandists followed their lead.

103152 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to karenovirus, #449 of 1481 🔗

Here are my three. Not as snappy as they might be but never mind.

Covid-19 is on the way out naturally and presents little danger to most of us.
Economic disaster is looming unless we get back to normal soon.
Masks do more harm than good.

102580 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #450 of 1481 🔗

We do need an authoritative account of the epidemic, together with nice graphics. There should be one place to go if you want to get accurate info. At present, you have to dig quite hard to get the answer to very obvious questions.

102599 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #451 of 1481 🔗

None of them will work. People will not listen.

102614 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to JohnB, 1, #452 of 1481 🔗

Indeed. If it were possible to reason with them we’d have won the argument months ago. This isn’t about reason or evidence, it’s a religious faith. The believers have invested too much to turn away now. Some people will recover their senses in time in the same way some people drift away from religious cults and they will eventually find their way here but don’t expect mass deconversions because they won’t happen.

102841 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Lockdown Truth, #453 of 1481 🔗

LGTM. Might also be worth mentioning this business of “long haulers”. They do exist (maybe about half of severe cases still a low percentage) and this is very unlikely to be anything special about Covid.

Another myth that’s trending is the eradication idea so it might be worth mentioning that and quite how difficult it really would be.

102550 ted, 1, #454 of 1481 🔗

The Wall Street Journal article linked above is an anti-sceptic piece. It is pro-lockdown, claims masks are highly effective in spite of clear evidence that they are at best neutral in terms of policy and possibly (I would say very likely) make things worse. It is less than skeptical of the wild claims of expected deaths made back in March. It promotes the magical thinking that policy can “stamp out” epidemics (note the metaphor of a person trying to fight a fire of some kind). The epidemiologists interviewed still seem to know nothing of immunology. I am afraid I disagree with Toby’s recommendation of this piece.

102553 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 17, #455 of 1481 🔗

If lockdowns, social distancing and masks were effective, should we not have seen a massive reduction in colds, influenzas, pneumonia, etc?

102558 ▶▶ Gtec, replying to Steve Hayes, 8, #456 of 1481 🔗

Oh, that’s far too obvious to be of any interest to the ‘scientists’ advising us otherwise!

On the basis of the perceived effectiveness of masks, C-19 shouldn’t have made it out of China, let alone marched across the face of the earth; says it all really.

102593 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #457 of 1481 🔗

Six months in and you’re still making the stupid mistake of thinking that any decisions being made are being made using evidence or science both pre and post implementation. Like religion it is all about having faith.

102556 Cheezilla, 6, #458 of 1481 🔗

Quickie from Ross Clark in the Spectator. Some confirmatory stats from Sweden. Preaching to the converted here but it might help some sheeple to think:

Just how many people have died of Covid-19, as opposed to having died with the virus?
It is a poignant question, especially after it was revealed that Public Health England had been counting a Covid death as anyone who died after testing positive for the virus, even if they swiftly recovered and went on to die of some other cause, like under a proverbial bus. A study by the health authorities in the Östergötland region of south-eastern Sweden aims to answer the question.

The study looks at the cases of 122 people who have died in the region outside of a hospital setting – either at home or in accommodation for the elderly – and whose deaths were attributed to Covid-19. Half of this group were aged 88 or over. Of the 122 cases, 111 were judged to have extensive comorbidities (the presence of one or more additional conditions) and 11 had moderate comorbidities. Not one of those who died, in other words, were in good health. In only 15 per cent of cases was Covid-19 judged to be the direct cause of death. Covid-19 was a contributory cause in 70 per cent of cases, and in the remaining 15 per cent death was judged to have been caused by another underlying cause – most often heart disease. The study can be read here , in Swedish.

Debate continues to rage over the rights and wrongs of the Swedish approach to Covid-19 – whether the refusal to lock down helped stave off economic disaster, or whether it led to thousands of needless deaths; whether it helped Swedes gain a degree of herd immunity to Covid-19, or whether the country remains as exposed to a second wave of the disease as any other nation. The analysis in Östergötland covers a small sample of people but provides some enlightenment on the nature of the deaths recorded by Sweden during the epidemic. It confirms what has been evident elsewhere: many of those recorded as dying of the virus already had short life expectancies due to underlying health conditions, and a small percentage of those deaths had nothing to do with Covid at all – the death would have occurred anyway from another illness, whether the deceased had contracted the virus or not.

102566 p02099003, 2, #459 of 1481 🔗
102567 alw, replying to alw, 14, #460 of 1481 🔗

A member of my family is a GP in a private practice. Says she is seeing many cancer and other serious cases that NHS GP’s have missed with online/phone consultations. Also minimal physio help from NHS. Scandalous.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/25/doctors-gut-instincts-better-catching-cancer-just-symptoms-checklist/

103334 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to alw, #461 of 1481 🔗

Unforgivable. Time for some class action lawsuits.

102571 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 10, #462 of 1481 🔗

https://fullfact.org/health/flu-covid-deaths/

We’ve seen many reports saying flu is killing 5 times as many people as CV-19 for the past 8 weeks. And here we have full fact tying itself in knots trying to undermine the claim

Notice the language. They may have died ‘with’ Flu but not ‘of’ flu. Blaming right wing sources of misreading the data. An argument that has been used AGAINST CV-19 numbers since the start

It’s nonsense

102577 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #463 of 1481 🔗

yep

This matters, because when Covid-19 is mentioned on a death certificate, it is much more likely to be the underlying cause of someone’s death than when pneumonia or influenza is”

whenever covid is mentioned we know the underlying cause is old age

102826 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #464 of 1481 🔗

They are so full of shit.

102572 Polemon2, replying to Polemon2, 24, #465 of 1481 🔗

I recently contacted my local Clinical Commissioning Group ——

Dear sirs,
My local surgery has issued the following:-
“On arrival we ask that you only one person waits in the foyer at a time
Please STOP AT RECEPTION and wait for instructions from our staff
All patients must wear a face covering / visor if entering ; your forehead will be scanned at the reception desk to ensure your temperature is less than 37.8 degrees C
If you temperature is over 37.8 you will be sent home without being seen, and asked to arrange a COVID swab. Only after a negative swab will your appointment be reorganised.

Is this now a requirement for all local surgeries?

Do you consider it an acceptable practice to deny swift access to a GP for anyone who happens to have a fever for whatever reason?

Their eventual response was….

In response to your first question, whilst NHS England has provided guidelines to GP practices it is down to each individual practices to decide how best to implement the guidance. This also includes undertaking a risk assessment of practice staff to identify those at increased risk from COVID-19.

On your second question, procedures are in place (111 or remote consultation) to ensure that all patients can access the necessary care they require even if this not through attending their usual GP practice.

I suppose this roughly translates as “If you have a temperature for any reason, don’t bother your local GP, just call111 who will tell you to go to your GP who will tell you to bugger off.
So glad we saved the NHS

102579 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to Polemon2, 10, #466 of 1481 🔗

For fuck sake, that is beyond belief. ‘If you’re ill – don’t look to us’ say Doctors…

103337 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mark II, #467 of 1481 🔗

You’re fired!

102584 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Polemon2, 6, #468 of 1481 🔗

Forgot to mention – I complained directly to the GP practice as well they just ignored me completely.

103302 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Polemon2, #469 of 1481 🔗

They might be quite nervous about the future implications of your complaint. Worth resending via ‘signed for’ ?

102596 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Polemon2, 10, #470 of 1481 🔗

Purely based on my refusal to wear a mask alone, I will never be seeking medical treatment in this country again. By all the accounts I have read here and elsewhere, even if I need treatment for a critical condition I will not receive any.

Maybe they should just come clean and convert all hospitals into euthanasia/crematorium facilities.

102610 ▶▶▶ LuluJo, replying to Richard O, 10, #471 of 1481 🔗

Well given that in the ’70s a doctors strike in Israel resulted in a 50% decrease in mortality, being refused or avoiding medical care because of these insane ‘rules’, might be a good result for us in the long run!

102613 ▶▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to LuluJo, 9, #472 of 1481 🔗

I know someone whose diabetes is much better controlled now they are researching their own dietary advice rather than the doctors’.

102812 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Thinkaboutit, 4, #473 of 1481 🔗

I also cured my asthma, no thanks to doctors.

103136 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard O, 1, #474 of 1481 🔗

Euthanasia not officially legal. Senicide however, is actively encouraged.

102609 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Polemon2, 3, #475 of 1481 🔗

As a nitpicking point, who scans your forehead? I’m not having a non medically trained person doing that, it has to be nurse or doctor.

102702 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Thinkaboutit, 2, #476 of 1481 🔗

My husband is now scanning foreheads where he works! He is a tour guide & visitors are only allowed in if they have normal temperature. Plus face masks, of course. So, no training required at all, just an ability to read what the machine says!

102620 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Polemon2, 7, #477 of 1481 🔗

Roll a fridge cold can of pop across your forehead a few times before you present yourself for scanning.

102667 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Polemon2, 2, #478 of 1481 🔗

Can I stop paying my NI?

102823 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to stefarm, 4, #479 of 1481 🔗

I want every penny I’ve ever paid in tax – income tax, NI, VAT, duty, whatever, refunded. Not just for this year, for every year.

102981 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stefarm, 2, #480 of 1481 🔗

We should boycott the No Health Service and demand our money back!

103335 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Polemon2, #481 of 1481 🔗

What happened to 38.6? Richie Allen had a woman on his show earlier this year and she brought up this fact that the temperature had been lowered and she was suspicious about this fact.

102576 Suitejb, replying to Suitejb, 26, #482 of 1481 🔗

Another mark against our supposedly wonderful NHS. My daughter is pregnant, first baby. Her husband was not allowed to accompany her to the first scan so they paid for a private one as well where he was welcome.

102638 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Suitejb, 14, #483 of 1481 🔗

I know of two couples who have done the same. If this madness continues, the next thing they won’t allow fathers at the birth. There is no rational reason why a father can’t be present for a scan.

102719 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tenchy, 8, #484 of 1481 🔗

There is no rational reason why a father can’t be present for a scan.

Literally stupid.

Though speaking as a father of four, having been present at all four mostly because it’s the done thing in our modern culture, I wouldn’t mind if we went back to the old ways. On balance I’d say seeing it as a female mystery, with female family members supporting the girl giving birth, is better. Obviously, I’m out of step with modern society in that view.

102743 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Mark, 1, #485 of 1481 🔗

Or indeed with those of us married to someone brought up on a farm. That said, he was extremely helpful when the arsy midwife suggested the anaesthetist was a bit too busy to do an epidural that day – by God did she move quickly when he swore at her!

102854 ▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Tenchy, 7, #486 of 1481 🔗

My mate wasn’t allowed at his son’s birth. His wife had to be alone, surrounded by people covered up in biological warfare garb, with no one to comfort her or encourage her. She’s a seriously tough cookie, and she’d already been through birth with her first child, so she got on with it. She said some of the first time mums were going completely hysterical though and It was horrible because they were trapped there suffering with no one to support them. Frightening.

102926 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to NappyFace, 2, #487 of 1481 🔗

That’s really awful – you really need someone there because you are at your most vulnerable. Sadly, things can, and do go wrong. They all run for cover at that point, as we are finding out at several maternity units. Appalling.

103339 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to NappyFace, 1, #488 of 1481 🔗

When you add up all these horror stories that have occurred because of Covid-19 you have to wonder about the superficiality and lack of empathy or awareness of the people whose policies have created this insanity. They are not our friends and they do not deserve our respect.

102736 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Suitejb, 4, #489 of 1481 🔗

Your daughter and son-in-law need to push back. General rule of thumb is that midwives, in particular, try to keep fathers out of the way so they can brainwash the mums into natural childbirth (especially, no epidurals and sections), closely followed by breastfeeding for ever. Suggest your daughter investigates the type of births female doctors opt for, and follow their lead!

102839 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #490 of 1481 🔗

Pushing is definitely recommended.

102588 stewart, replying to stewart, 17, #491 of 1481 🔗

The UnHerd interview with the professor from Edinburgh University, Devi Sridhar, was very insightful. It shows the extent to which these academics don’t realise how impractical or unrealistic their theoretical musings are. They seem to lack simple common sense.
One example: She doesn’t want to stop international travel, but thinks people should go through strict 4-5 day quarantines before coming into the country. That pretty much kills international travel.

Another: She doesn’t want children to be away from school, but thinks teachers are entitled to a safe work place. So whose entitlement takes precedent, the children’s to education or the teacher’s to a safe work place?

I fear government policy has been guided too much by academics who are accomplished in their narrow field but have no practical sense of things outside their area of expertise and very little common sense.

102608 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to stewart, 7, #492 of 1481 🔗

Anybody under 60 with no other health problems is not vulnerable.
It’s the 86 year old teachers who should worry.

102644 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to stewart, 6, #493 of 1481 🔗

I am watching the interview, and I have commented on her ‘alternative facts’ and non-scientific background on here several times. Why is she constantly fiddling with her hair, looking up and waving her hands around? She is nor who/what she proports to be!

102852 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to stewart, 2, #494 of 1481 🔗

She appears to be well meaning and earnest, but extraordinarily naive and blinkered, with no sense of proportion regarding the utter destruction her ideas are causing.

Would it help to politely explain to her that she is murdering millions with her short-sighted policies?

103340 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stewart, #495 of 1481 🔗
102589 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 9, #496 of 1481 🔗

Thinking aloud here – trying to make sense of what the hell is going on, given none of it makes any sense. Apologies if some of these are crackpot ideas, but I’m clutching at straws here:

1) the thing that hit in Italy and in Wuhan were not COVID-19, but some other much more deadly disease. That has now been eradicated but they are locking down / masking everyone until they are sure. Or variations on the theme that there is a deadly pathogen out there but it is not Covid.

2) we are facing an extinction event. Like an asteroid the size of London about to hit and start the next ice age. This is all a distraction to keep us busy and stop breakdown of law and order whilst they prepare for the selected few to be saved

3) world leaders are being blackmailed to trot out ever more ridiculous policies. Reason unknown.

4) it’s linked to the US general election. Crash the economy to depose Trump.

5) it’s just stupidity and poor management of the situation.

6) it’s a power grab/ coup by various people who stand to benefit.

7) it’s an international, mass psychological experiment

8) I’m dreaming / dead / in a coma.

Any assistance or clarity gratefully received.

102590 ▶▶ Gtec, replying to NappyFace, 6, #497 of 1481 🔗

I’d go with number 5, stupidity, but I wouldn’t rule out any of the others either, just in case!

102729 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Gtec, 2, #498 of 1481 🔗

Assuming they’re all stupid is a mistake. They didn’t get where they are through stupidity. They might be psychopaths, liars, ambitious, etc, but they’re not stupid.

102796 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Lms23, 1, #499 of 1481 🔗

Not all stupid? No, but they are all stuck with extreme tunnel vision and self-belief: the combo being about the most dangerous imaginable.

102592 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to NappyFace, 2, #500 of 1481 🔗

Never ascribe to conspiracy that which can be adequately explained by cock-up

103305 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lucan Grey, #501 of 1481 🔗

Because that would help the conspirators …

102600 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to NappyFace, 3, #502 of 1481 🔗

All of the above plus some stuff we haven’t thought of yet.

102601 ▶▶ Biker, replying to NappyFace, 6, #503 of 1481 🔗

I’m afraid it’s the second one. I’m only here to amuse myself safe in the knowledge that as a member of the establishment i’m one of the saved. You see it’s all a matter breeding and schooling. I shouldn’t say this but no one will believe me any way so i may as well. You suckers are all doomed. If you don’t know where the bunkers are by now then you’re not on the list. I know of several other posters on the list.

102605 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Biker, 1, #504 of 1481 🔗

Grand solar minimum. Happens every 400 years.

102799 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Biker, 3, #505 of 1481 🔗

Personally, I’m not sure that I would want to survive an extinction level event!

102606 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to NappyFace, 12, #506 of 1481 🔗

It is a case of collective madness. I realise many people find this unsatisfying, but cases of collective madness do happen; they happen a lot.

102652 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #507 of 1481 🔗

Yes, agreed. Normally they are short lived, as people lose interest. This is just unusually severe and prolonged. It is not different in kind.

102685 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #508 of 1481 🔗

Yes, collective madness, 100%

102804 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #509 of 1481 🔗

Mass hysteria.

102607 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to NappyFace, 5, #510 of 1481 🔗

The list of actors who use the coronavirus pandemic for their very different and often contradictory aims can be extended virtually ad infinitum. But what if we try to factor out the common term, to use a mathematical metaphor? What factor appears in every term of the equation and can therefore be moved outside the parentheses? It is the factor of absolute control: restrictions on movement, restrictions on behavior, restrictions on what businesses may operate, and constant medical testing.

https://thewallwillfall.org/2020/05/02/gaslighting-the-coronavirus-dimitry-orlov/

102649 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to NappyFace, 3, #511 of 1481 🔗

It is analogous to the start of WW1 in 1914. Nobody specifically started it, but all the ingredients were already present.

  • media investment in creating a sense of hysteria
  • public health professionals who are fundamentally anti-Western and anti free market economies
  • political class subservient to the media
  • availability of magic money
  • growing wealth (can afford not to work, you won’t starve).

Although I respect all my fellow sceptics, and don’t want to make a political argument out of it, it does seem like a battle between the public guardians and the rest of us.

102720 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to WhyNow, 5, #512 of 1481 🔗

It’s all politics

In America, it’s definitely about Trump and the desperate efforts to defeat him.

The rest of the world? With a few exceptions, it just appears to be a collective agreement to lockdown citizenry, and for various leaders to grab ever more power, because no one is stopping them. The virus is a perfect excuse. (See Sturgeon, Dan Andrews, various Democrat governors).
Boris isn’t a natural totalitarian or power-hungry despot, but appears not to have any particular core beliefs, so just goes along with what his advisors tell him.

102836 ▶▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Lms23, 3, #513 of 1481 🔗

I’m afraid I do think it is politics. It seems to be an excuse for the public guardians to exercise control. The guardians naturally favour coercion for the public good. It’s the same story over and over. They just don’t recognise that there is no universal “public good”. There is only different people’s definition of it.

103179 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to WhyNow, 1, #514 of 1481 🔗

The sunk cost fallacy was also present in WW1 and is now. As others have said, the UK government response to Covid-19 is the biggest error by a UK government since entry into WW1. (WW2 was probably unavoidable because of Hitler’s megalomania, though not all historians agree).

102664 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to NappyFace, 4, #515 of 1481 🔗

You forgot Epstein’s little Black book. Or is that number 3??

103316 ▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to stefarm, #516 of 1481 🔗

It’s a bit of 3) and 4).
Not just Epstein. Trump has dropped the hammer on more than one or two others, notables inc. NY Democrat Dale Kenyon; former mayor of Stillwater NY Rick Nelson (after decades of accusations); Anthony Weiner was jailed (his wife was quite famously a prominent H Clinton aide); former Ohio mayor Richard Keenan (child rape); & Jacob Schwartz – a prominent member of NY mayor Di Blasio’s staff & former CNN contributor…

102766 ▶▶ Athanasius, replying to NappyFace, 5, #517 of 1481 🔗

My theory is it’s all just a fad. A way for the chattering classes to fill their bored lives. A bandwagon everyone just has to leap upon, can’t be seen not to. But some people just have to prove how much more on it they are than everyone else, and so emerges the more and more extreme lunacy.

Oh, and sometimes it takes a remarkable degree of intelligence to be so thick.

102814 ▶▶ Norma McNormalface, replying to NappyFace, 2, #518 of 1481 🔗

3 or 4? I came up with a good one this morning: Somebody is going to release an engineered virus in future that really is proper deadly and is “crying wolf” with this one to give us “caution fatigue”. (Doesn’t really hold up, but might make a good sci-fi novel).

102859 ▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Norma McNormalface, #519 of 1481 🔗

The same one has occurred to me!

102916 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Norma McNormalface, #520 of 1481 🔗

I’ve thought that too.

102910 ▶▶ Lili, replying to NappyFace, #521 of 1481 🔗

Numbers 4 and 6, plus punishment for Brexit by our Uncivil Service.

103157 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NappyFace, #522 of 1481 🔗

Number 6 makes most sense to me, with a lot of 4,5 and 7 assisting.

103325 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to NappyFace, #523 of 1481 🔗

1. Early on researchers in Iceland found several thousand mutations of Covid-19. No reason to think there aren’t big regional variations. Might be quite random depending on the initial infection source. We hear surprisingly little about mutations from our media, scientists or government. O

2. Nope, no evidence for that although future novel pathogens could be far more deadly than Covid-19. I fear vaccinating for standard lung pathogens will create opportunities for novel pathogens.

3. Blackmail can’t be ruled out but seems unlikely since so many politicians back lockdowns and masks.

4. Yes there’s plenty of evidence the Left are using this to try and destroy Trump. The Left did an about turn. Initially they encouraged people to “hug a Chinese person”, continue visiting Chinatown and carry on life as normal. Then they saw the potential to destroy Trump and became overnight germophobes.

5. Yes, similar to the stupidity of WW1 when generals continually sent wave after wave of young men over the top to be machine gunned down or shelled to oblivion. In this case we are putting jobs, health, culture and education into the meat grinder…

6. Don’t think it started as that but we have seen strong moves by (among others) the Far Left, PC billionaires, Blairite Remainers and the SNP to use the pandemic to seize the political agenda. Many now have an interest in keeping the crisis going.

7. It is now!

8. You’re not alone in feeling trapped in some bizarre dream state. You are normal!

102595 NickR, replying to NickR, 11, #524 of 1481 🔗

I seem to remember the Scottish Tory slogan was “Vote Sturgeon, get Corbyn!” Or vice/versa. I don’t remember “Vote Boris, Get Sturgeon!”

102602 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to NickR, 10, #525 of 1481 🔗

Vote anyone, get UN/WHO/WEF is probably nearer the mark.

102603 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #526 of 1481 🔗
102635 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #527 of 1481 🔗

“Dialled 999” -that’s not what 999 is for.

102659 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #528 of 1481 🔗

Wait until they are wearing their masks, shoplifting galore.

102604 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 6, #529 of 1481 🔗

Interesting video. Apparently, the nice academics who have ruined the world, have decided that anyone who doesn’t comply with their orders has an antisocial personality disorder. I would suggest those giving and enforcing the orders are psychopaths and they should think twice before issuing insults.

Only Sociopaths Reject the New Normal! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbZimk0nhjo

102626 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Darryl, 7, #530 of 1481 🔗

When the world is run by psychopaths, the world goes mad.

Then they point at those who remain sane, and call them mad….

102653 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Darryl, 4, #531 of 1481 🔗

A fine bit of science fakery giving causation of something when in fact correlation is actually what they mean. This science fakery in turn leads to pathetic journalists telling the world you are a sociopath if you don’t believe in supersticous nonsense.

Thanks for posting, thanks for the video worth watching to see the audacious, viciousness of the plotting against humanity.

102670 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Darryl, 3, #532 of 1481 🔗

What a perfect example of the circular reasoning of public guardians. “Sociopathy” is defined as not complying with social norms and, as we can decide the norms, we can decide you are sociopathic if you don’t agree with us.

102699 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to WhyNow, 3, #533 of 1481 🔗

Absolutely, I never imagined I would be on the receiving end of the work of these evil social engineers. How low is it that you would section or drug someone for disagreeing with the authorities.

102762 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Darryl, 1, #534 of 1481 🔗

Stick them on ‘the list’

102734 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Darryl, 4, #535 of 1481 🔗

If I remember correctly the Covid-19 act has sections which cover removing people from circulation on mental health grounds without need of the usual checks and balances. Did chill me when I read it in April.

102615 NonCompliant, replying to NonCompliant, 8, #536 of 1481 🔗

Given up on the Daily Telegraph today. Cancelled my subscription, sick of being gaslighted with their Jeckyll & Hyde coverage.

Any recommend any alternatives ? I was tempted to try The Times….

I’m not interested in left wing garbage and the fewer opinion/puff pieces they have the better, I just want some bloody news FFS lol.

102619 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to NonCompliant, 3, #537 of 1481 🔗

Definitely not the Times. They appear to have gone to the Left in politics.
Can’t recommend anything.

102694 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Lms23, 2, #538 of 1481 🔗

Completely agree, the Times is far worse for scaremongering than the Telegraph (which is the best of the mainstream). I have cancelled both and use Off-Guardian.org and Spiked-Online.com for the time being, both have some very interesting articles.

102695 ▶▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to Lms23, 1, #539 of 1481 🔗

I’ve been a Times subscriber for years – thinking very hard about binning it altogether. Boys (sons) reckon the FT is better journalism but not sure I can cope with that either. It’s not the left or the right I just don’t know where to find proper well argued debate and decent reporting of real news that doesn’t have an ‘angle’.

102704 ▶▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Keen Cook, #540 of 1481 🔗

Thanks. I’ll checkout the FT tomorrow. Sounds like my last hope!

102708 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Keen Cook, 4, #541 of 1481 🔗

FT is the least bad of an effing awful bunch. However don’t go near the comments. The virtue signalling on there makes the guardian look right wing. Be warned it will make you vomit. I guess the virtue signallers all subscribe to the FT because it is the “intelligent” paper, perfect match for them, not.

103317 ▶▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Keen Cook, #542 of 1481 🔗

Zero Hedge (US dominated but covers rest of world too) is quite interesting.

102642 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to NonCompliant, 4, #543 of 1481 🔗

Razzle!

102663 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to stefarm, #544 of 1481 🔗

Is that with the reader’s wives still going?

102671 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, #545 of 1481 🔗

Yep, best bit!

102749 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to stefarm, #546 of 1481 🔗

Will have to look out for it – relive my teen years.

102778 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #547 of 1481 🔗

shouldnt you now be looking at the milf section?

102643 ▶▶ Jeni, replying to NonCompliant, 1, #548 of 1481 🔗

As many different sources as possible – Mintpress News, Canary, Byline Times, Corbett Report, Quillette, Critic, New Discourse, Tim Kelly’s Our Interesting Times podcast and on and on!

102683 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NonCompliant, 3, #549 of 1481 🔗

I used to read The Economist – reasonably in depth coverage, once a week. Obviously they are globalist, liberal free traders – depends if that’s your bag. But since they are not Sceptical I have stopped as any journal worth its salt would dedicate all their coverage to debunking coronapanic lies.

102831 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Julian, #550 of 1481 🔗

I found the Economist too predictable. Very little critical analysis. A lot of long winded explanation of the orthodox.

102903 ▶▶ Lili, replying to NonCompliant, 3, #551 of 1481 🔗

spiked-online.com is free but I subscribe as they deserve to grow and I find 90% of their output very good.

102928 ▶▶▶ Graham, replying to Lili, #552 of 1481 🔗

I agree, and I subscribe to Spiked too, but I still want a traditional newspaper that gives me the news straight as well as having opinions. I don’t think there is one for me any more. I have read the Telegraph since the 70s but perhaps that will end.

103004 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NonCompliant, #553 of 1481 🔗

Mr Bart and I have given up on the Times. I still keep my Spectator subscription

102624 Caro7777, replying to Caro7777, 11, #554 of 1481 🔗

I was all for the UK. In the light of the oppressive rules which Nicola Sturgeon places on her nation, then I now think that Scotland should be expelled from the UK for its breaches of human rights.Not least the new laws forbidding free speec there. All freedom-loving Scots should be offered a home here in England.

102628 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Caro7777, 2, #555 of 1481 🔗

They’ll have to form an ordely queue behind the Illegal Immigrants being taxied across the channel and the population of Hong Kong i’m afraid !

102636 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Caro7777, 2, #556 of 1481 🔗

What did braveheart say? You will never take our freedom…

102677 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Caro7777, 2, #557 of 1481 🔗

You’re more than welcome to come, and swap places with all the English who would prefer Sturgeon & co!

102758 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Caro7777, 1, #558 of 1481 🔗

Why not just expel Nicola Sturgeon? It would be a lot easier. And cheaper.

102834 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #559 of 1481 🔗

Send her to New Zealand, where she can merge with Jacinda into one ghastly Antipodean manifestation.
Dante put Purgatory in the Antipodes. His geography was all wrong. Purgatory is Scotland, the Antipodes are Hell.

102768 ▶▶ matt, replying to Caro7777, 1, #560 of 1481 🔗

Except what happens when those freedom loving Scots get here and realise that what Sturgeon decreed last week, that miserable worm Johnson has cravenly agreed to do this week?

102630 Cheezilla, 1, #561 of 1481 🔗

Preaaching to the converted but here’s a good one from Malcolm Kendrick:

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/08/25/covid-what-have-we-learned/#comments

102632 BJJ, replying to BJJ, #562 of 1481 🔗

I´m trying to find the clip where Jacinda shouts to the Press about the Truth. Can anyone help me? It was posted here just a couple of days ago.

102641 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to BJJ, 1, #563 of 1481 🔗
102645 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to stefarm, 2, #564 of 1481 🔗

Thanks a million. Goebbels would have blushed.

102657 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to BJJ, 1, #565 of 1481 🔗

No worries. Save it before it is taken down. Some interesting stuff on the channel.

102668 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 1, #566 of 1481 🔗

Not seen that before. I noticed the pace at which her emotions flicked on and off as she spoke and listened. Did not feel normal in some way. As if neuro-linguistic programming is answering questions for her and she listens for trigger words perhaps. Others will know or not if she typically wibbles around nevously when speaking to press. I could believe stimulants were in use.

102669 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #567 of 1481 🔗

Oh, and suggesting the government is only to be trusted source of information is clear insanity.

102673 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 1, #568 of 1481 🔗

.

102662 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to stefarm, 1, #569 of 1481 🔗

That woman needs to give Red Rum his teeth back

102678 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Chris John, 2, #570 of 1481 🔗

Not for the squeamish

https://youtu.be/tFH7geDDTCs

102724 ▶▶▶▶▶ smurfs, replying to stefarm, 1, #571 of 1481 🔗

That is so funny. The woman’s scientific dissection of Adern’s anatomy would surely qualify her for a nomination to the Sage committee.

102806 ▶▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Chris John, 1, #572 of 1481 🔗

Maybe get vaccinated against rabies if she stands anywhere near you.

102813 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Jane in France, 1, #573 of 1481 🔗

Ha!

102674 ▶▶▶ tallandbald, replying to stefarm, 4, #574 of 1481 🔗

I hadn’t seen that one. What an exquisitely vile woman she is.
“Just remember folks, if you don’t hear it from us IT’S NOT THE TRUTH!”
WTF!!

102700 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to stefarm, 3, #575 of 1481 🔗

“Unless you hear it from us, it is not the truth”. What a thoroughly odious woman she is. And who was that nodding dickhead behind her?

102707 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tenchy, #576 of 1481 🔗

Click the other link in the thread here. May require rethinking!

102715 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Basics, #577 of 1481 🔗

I skipped through it – the gist seems to be she’s had a sex change? But then, she has given birth, so I suppose this one really is a conspiracy theory, or more likely a piss take.

102738 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tenchy, #578 of 1481 🔗

Perculiar times

102868 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to BJJ, #579 of 1481 🔗
102637 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 13, #580 of 1481 🔗

I am trying to put my finger on what I find so disquieting about this.

Public health is, in principle, something that may require coercion. If we had ebola or the plague spreading, we would all want enforcement of restrictions. So I don’t object on principle.

The public health risk here does not seem to be extreme. It seems to be of the same order of magnitude as flu. It seems to affect almost exclusively the terminally ill. The media create a hysteria that does not reflect the data. And yet Parliament seems to have handed control of our lives over to officials.

If we accept that we need lockdown based on the very slender evidence so far, then I don’t see how we will not get the same for any number of other “emergencies”. Activists always claim there is an emergency that requires immediate and drastic action. This pandemic seems to have given them the green light in future.

102647 ▶▶ Mark, replying to WhyNow, 19, #581 of 1481 🔗

In general, if the public health issue is genuinely serious enough to justify coercion, you don’t need coercion to address it. It’s only when a bunch of (for want of a better descriptive term) bedwetters and manipulative scumbags want to force people to over-react or to do things that serve no real purpose that you need to coerce the less stupid, the less cowardly and those who are just less submissive.

That was illustrated brilliantly in the UK this time, when the voluntary social distancing before lockdown was more than adequate to address the epidemic, which was kept well within healthcare capacity and passed the peak before coercive lockdown was implemented.

102660 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Mark, 3, #582 of 1481 🔗

I agree. It would have been quite sufficient to warn the public of the risk, encourage hand washing and minimisation of direct contact, and ask the elderly to isolate.

I have a feeling we are looking at this the wrong way round, though. I think lockdown was primarily to prevent NHS staff from getting infected. That’s why they could use public transport, shops, schools, but the rest of the public could not.

102698 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to WhyNow, 7, #583 of 1481 🔗

I think lockdown was primarily to prevent NHS staff from getting infected . ”

Doubt that. Lockdown, to the extent it was not just a panic measure based on real fear with no real reasoning at all behind it, was the herd mentality in action, copying what media reports said other governments had done.

Toby recently linked a report pointing out that that explained most of the coronapanic government measures around the world. The main reason being that politicians and experts alike feel they are safer from serious criticism if they can say “everyone else was doing it”.

102820 ▶▶▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Mark, #584 of 1481 🔗

It’s the same reason. The bulk of people dying were in hospital. The people bringing the infection in were the doctors and nurses. How do you stop doctors and nurses getting infected? Well, they are mixing with the general population. You have to stop the general population from infecting the doctors and nurses. So lockdown. But doctors and nurses have to travel, and to shop. So you reserve travel and shops and schools for “key workers”.

102860 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to WhyNow, #585 of 1481 🔗
102964 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to WhyNow, 6, #586 of 1481 🔗

Singapore got its Nosocomial infection rate down to statistical zero by April by assuming the primary transfer method was contact, similar to Polio or Norovirus and not aerosol transfer.
So Singapores hospitals do not have the infections ours do, by being absolutely rabid on handwashing and only wearing masks for high aerosol activities.
It worked and we are still dismissing it as Not Invented Here.
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=239747

102732 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mark, 8, #587 of 1481 🔗

The distancing and increased handwashing were sensible and proportionate interventions. Few actually questioned those, myself included. But locking down the healthy was obviously ludicrous, trashing your own economy is suicide and facemasks cause more problems than they solve.

102651 ▶▶ jrsm, replying to WhyNow, 10, #588 of 1481 🔗

The problem is this sets the bar extremely low for any further emergencies. If COVID-19 is a health emergency, any new strain of the cold can be, if they test for it enough.

102656 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to jrsm, 4, #589 of 1481 🔗

Exactly. And what about pollution that causes all those (equally fake) deaths. Ample reason to ban the car. And poverty, of course. The biggest public health risk of all. Didn’t the WHO recently decide that the UK was high on the list for something or other? It’s all the same.

102680 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to WhyNow, #590 of 1481 🔗

The Hegelian Dialectic:
problem – reaction – solution
QED

102731 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to WhyNow, 6, #591 of 1481 🔗

I object to coercion in any form. No excuse for it, ever.

102827 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #592 of 1481 🔗

Even a rule to make people with the plague stay in isolation? Or that stops people with typhoid from working in food shops (like “ typhoid Mary “)? Or that stops people dumping sewage in the water supply?

There is a place for public health, but it has been taken over by fanatical guardians.

102970 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to WhyNow, 4, #593 of 1481 🔗

Those have their place.
What the govt is doing now is bringing public health into disrepute, almost guaranteeing a less than optimal public reaction when the next cholera or typhoid scale outbreak happens.

102773 ▶▶ matt, replying to WhyNow, 5, #594 of 1481 🔗

What’s becoming increasingly clear to me, is that the government has handed control to the BBC. If the BBC thinks it’s a good idea, all they have to do is say so for 2 days and the next day, it’s government policy. The cowardice is jaw-dropping.

102811 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to matt, 1, #595 of 1481 🔗

I thought that they handed control to Sturgeon? Any decision she makes the UK government copies. Face masks in schools seems to be heading that way.

102675 mjr, replying to mjr, 19, #596 of 1481 🔗

This morning the BBC1 news programme at 9.00 screened a zoom interview about the re-opening of schools involving the presenter, Justine Greening for the government, and two “concerned mothers” who were both against opening
As usual the BBC failed to mention the political history and activities of the two “typical” mothers which are detailed here
This is a common thing on the BBC . Interviewing activists under the guise of them being ordinary people and not revealing who they really are.

102682 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to mjr, 4, #597 of 1481 🔗

You sound surprised

102770 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to stefarm, 5, #598 of 1481 🔗

not at all – hence the inclusion of the words “as usual” and “this is a common thing”!!! 🙂 I watch very little BBC news and for a long time have assumed that everything is spin and untruth. Mentioning it here because others may not have seen it.

102785 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to mjr, 3, #599 of 1481 🔗

Problem is lots of people watch it, my parents live on a park home site, last week walking around the site through a large proportion of windows all I saw was 50″ plasma TVs showing BBC 24 news. No wonder people are brainwashed.

102829 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to stefarm, 2, #600 of 1481 🔗

yes – get up, watch GMB or BBC breakfast, then BBC news, then Jeremy Kyle and by 12.00 you are drooling and brainwashed.

102830 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to mjr, 8, #601 of 1481 🔗

Get up.
Have breakfast.
Take a walk where you won’t meet the zombies.
Read LS to get the truth.
Socialise with us.
Vent here if you need to.
WATCH NO NEWS, LISTEN TO NO NEWS, READ NO NEWS.
Be happy.
Eat your favourite comfort food.
Read a favourite book, do a puzzle, listen to your favourite music.
Stand firm.

103010 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, #602 of 1481 🔗

That’s pretty much my day you’re describing!!!

102874 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 1, #603 of 1481 🔗

1984

102692 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to mjr, 5, #604 of 1481 🔗

So they didn’t include a “concerned mother” who was concerned about the possibility of mandatory face nappies in schools? No surprise there then.

102730 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mjr, 4, #605 of 1481 🔗

Do they still interview one of their reporters and spin their opinion as “fact”?

102803 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mjr, #606 of 1481 🔗

I watched this and could feel a political angle to their rambling and ignorance of the SAGE unanimous call to get back to school. Should have known

103011 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mjr, #607 of 1481 🔗

They do that all the time. Exhibit A – that woman who tried to race bait Laurence Fox on Question Time

102679 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 10, #608 of 1481 🔗

I’ve just but heard Mr. Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson saying on Radio 4’s P.M.something about his willingness to assess the merits of mask wearing in the light of new evidence – or something like that.

Now I own he was speaking in the context of perhaps changing the advice presently given to English schools that pupils don’t need to wear them, but I wonder if he’s giving himself wiggle room to say: sure the new evidence tells us they are not wanted at all, all! Sorry my mistake!

I suspect if there is a high percentage of parents refusing to allow their children to go back to school he could well be saying something allow those lines because masks breed fear and the only way to crack fear amongst many will be to say they are not needed.

102688 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #609 of 1481 🔗

New evidence doesn’t sound very encouraging!

102717 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #610 of 1481 🔗

Especially as a lot of this “new” evidence is manufactured for a narrative…

102797 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #611 of 1481 🔗

Especially as there isn’t any.

102689 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Ned of the Hills, 8, #612 of 1481 🔗

Or is he talking about making mandatory for everyone, everywhere – even in your own home? Sorry – having a bad day today!

102696 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to HelzBelz, 9, #613 of 1481 🔗

There will be no new evidence of course, except that “experts suggest….”.

Johnson has past the point of no return. Do not expect any rational decisions out of him ever again.

102721 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Richard O, 6, #614 of 1481 🔗

He must go.

102727 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #615 of 1481 🔗

He will in time, to be replaced by the next stooge (who will be even worse).

102744 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #616 of 1481 🔗

After the Whitty comments at the weekend you can guarantee this is what he means. Masks to be worn permanently everywhere.

102754 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to JohnB, 3, #617 of 1481 🔗

They’ve literally been on TV throughout (“working”) without masks on ….

102774 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, #618 of 1481 🔗

I fear the negative tenor of the responses I’ve prompted are likely to be all too justified.

102877 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #619 of 1481 🔗

That man (Johnson) plumbs new depths every day.

102684 Eddie, replying to Eddie, 35, #620 of 1481 🔗

You’ll all enjoy this bit.
There’s a particular girl at my gym who I consider simply adorable and have had a crush on her for 4 years. I ran into her today and we got to talking about stupid masks and how she won’t be shopping anywhere that demands customers be wearing them. I went on a bit of a tangent about this cold virus being basically harmless to 80% of people and she says yeah this all about control, why don’t unhealthy people just stay home and stop worrying that I might kill them by breathing nearby?
Dare say I am in love now hahaha! Well, she’s 11 years younger than me so ain’t nothing ever gonna happen but damn is it nice to know she is one of us. Next time I’ll definitely recommend she check out our site here.
Have a great day all!

102686 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Eddie, 9, #621 of 1481 🔗

11 years is not necessarily a problem. See how it works out.

102687 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Eddie, 7, #622 of 1481 🔗

Nothing wrong with the 11 year difference. My wife is 11 years younger than me.

102691 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tenchy, 11, #623 of 1481 🔗

There is if Eddie is in the 16-26 year old age range!

102710 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to JohnB, 2, #624 of 1481 🔗

Haha, yes.

103351 ▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to JohnB, #625 of 1481 🔗

haha love it skipper!

102690 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Eddie, 8, #626 of 1481 🔗

11 years is nothing! Go for it – sounds like you have LOTS in common 🙂

102693 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Eddie, 3, #627 of 1481 🔗

Lovely

102963 ▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Eddie, 1, #628 of 1481 🔗

11 years age difference is nowt – my ex (good bloke, we’re still friends) is 10 years older than me, together for 7 years, never a problem.

103348 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Eddie, 1, #629 of 1481 🔗

Thanks all for your encouragement. Her boyfriend might have something to say about it…looks like I forgot to mention that 🙂

102703 Julian, replying to Julian, 19, #630 of 1481 🔗

I asked the ethics committee of the GMC about their policy on man datory vaccinations for coronavirus.
This is what I got back.
My reading of this is that any doctors who participates in any way with mandatory or de facto mandatory vaccination programs will be in breach of this guidance. That’s what I am going to email them back with.
Wonder how many doctors would stick to their guns.

Dear Mr XXX
Thank you for your email about mandatory vaccinations for coronavirus.
I thought it might help to start by clarifying that we are able to advise on our expectations of doctors in relation to our guidance, but not on government policy. Whilst we can’t tell doctors what to do in a particular situation, we can advise on the principles in our guidance which might be relevant in helping them decide how to proceed.
Our guidance
In our core guidance, Good medical practice we are clear that patients must be able to trust doctors with their lives and their health and respect patient’s rights to reach decisions with doctors about their care and their treatment (see Good medical practice , duties of a doctor ).
In our Consent guidance, in our paragraphs under the subheading, ‘Ensuring that decisions are voluntary’, we say that patients must not be put under pressure by employers, relatives or others to accept a particular investigation or treatment ( paragraph 41 ).
We also say that doctors must respect a patient’s decision to refuse an investigation or treatment even if they think it is wrong or irrational.  If the doctor is concerned about the consequences of the patient’s decision, they should explain and clearly outline this to the patient. However, we are also clear that the doctor should not put any pressure on the patient to accept the advice ( paragraph 43 ).
I hope this is helpful in setting out our expectations of doctors in this area.
Kind regards
XXX
Policy Officer
General Medical Council

102712 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Julian, 3, #631 of 1481 🔗

Good to know, not that it will deter the government. If the doctors won’t administer it, I’m sure they’ll find another way.

102722 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Julian, 2, #632 of 1481 🔗

They are quoting from documents that are null and void. How doctors treat their patients is no longer their decision to make.

102862 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Richard O, #633 of 1481 🔗

Legally you may be right. Morally, one would hope at least some doctors have red lines. We shall see.

102726 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 1, #634 of 1481 🔗

Great! But doesn’t the 1984 Act override this?
Also, we’ve been informed that it’s a team of “special” nurses who will be enlisted to do this. Wouldn’t that cut doctors out of the loop?

102864 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, #635 of 1481 🔗

Possibly. I didn’t think of the nurses. I will write to them now.

102711 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #636 of 1481 🔗

Oh seekers of spring how could you not find contentment
In a time of riddling reasons in this land of the blind
By the joke of fate alone
It’s sure that as the loved hand leaves you,
You clutch for the slip-stream, the realness to find.

So sad, sad to see the way it grew
Those other people that I knew
That have either fell or faltered.
Mad Hatter is on my mind.

But I am the archer the lover of laughter,
And mine is the arrowed flight.
I am the archer, and my eyes yearn after the unsullied sight.

But do what you like, do what you like, do what you like,
Do what you like, do what you like, do what you can,
Do what you can, live till you die

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4up_S-Sv4c

102878 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #637 of 1481 🔗

LOVE the Incredibles!!!

102980 ▶▶▶ Tony, replying to Melangell, 2, #638 of 1481 🔗

Me too. Saw them many times in the 60s. We made our own amusements then…

103182 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tony, #639 of 1481 🔗

Going to the pictures!

102713 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 13, #640 of 1481 🔗

Got this message today, from Carl Vernon, who’s had to cancel his ‘No Sheep Allowed’ tour. I was booked for the one in Chester.

It’s with a heavy heart I’m having to postpone all meet-ups. My team and I have found it almost impossible to book venues, with THREE venues already cancelling on us (yes, that’s three), due to them being concerned over the ‘social’ aspect of our meet-ups. The government has done an incredibly good job at making sure the bedwetters continue wetting the bed, and we stay at home watching the BBC. We can’t risk a venue being cancelled on the day – I would hate for us all to show up and have that happen. You have been issued a full and immediate refund. I don’t mind telling you, I’m majorly pissed off, but I’m no victim. I’m in the process of developing a member area, so like-minded people can join for uncensored live sessions and events, a forum and live chat – where we can all get together without the thought police spoiling the party. I also plan for us to have a big meet-up, and I look forward to meeting you soon. In the meantime, I will be at this protest on 29th August in London. Maybe I’ll see you there? https://www.stopnewnormal.net/ ta-ta (for now), Carl Vernon

102776 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #641 of 1481 🔗

Some jobsworth was concerned about the movement of livestock!

102714 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 12, #642 of 1481 🔗

Just came home from my local Waitrose. Surreal experience:
Staff 100% mask free
Shoppers 100% masked (except me)

102741 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Silke David, 11, #643 of 1481 🔗

I went to the pub for a meal the other night. Staff 100% masked, customers 0% masked. Bloody madness, the whole thing.

102794 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tenchy, 6, #644 of 1481 🔗

Went for dinner with my parents at the weekend. Zero staff masked, zero customers masked.

You have to suspect though many wil still be supporting masks in other settings like schools as long as they feel they are on the side of the majority. It’s crazy.

Just drifting along, oblivious. As a society we get exactly what we deserve

102756 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Silke David, 6, #645 of 1481 🔗

Wonder what has changed with Waitrose regarding staff muzzles? We had a delivery yesterday and the driver was unmuzzled (yay!) – two weeks ago they were all muzzled. I was hoping that this was a positive development and reaction from Waitrose given the previous bad experiences people have express here.

102772 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ozzie, 6, #646 of 1481 🔗

I work in an “open-air” shopping complex. Security guards since last week WITHOUT face covering patrolling through the open air walkways. Finally!

102769 ▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to Silke David, 4, #647 of 1481 🔗

I found no bouncer on the door yesterday in my Waitrose, but staff were muzzled or visored. Perhaps it’s a new directive to staff today? The checkout lady had a transparent mask on which was misted up, not seen those before. I was the only bare faced shopper and it felt good!

103019 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to dorset dumpling, 1, #648 of 1481 🔗

Noticed that today as well in the Waitrose I went to – no more bouncer, no sanctions, but most check out staff muzzled.

Still am the only one barefaced.

102815 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Silke David, 1, #649 of 1481 🔗

That’s what I usually find

102821 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Silke David, 3, #650 of 1481 🔗

Went into my local Waitrose yesterday to pick up a John Lewis order. Only one member of staff had a visor the rest unmuzzled. Even the manager was mask free. All customers tho fully muzzled, except me. One particular elderly gentleman had a proper spray painters mask on, the one with the big filters on each side. It was all so sad!

102942 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Silke David, 1, #651 of 1481 🔗

It was like that in Sainsbury’s here yesterday

102716 Marie R, replying to Marie R, 33, #652 of 1481 🔗

Just sent to BBC
Can I ask you why you have not covered the rather important story that on 20th August there were zero deaths from Covid in England? Surely after all the fear porn you’ve been peddling you would be interested in such a milestone event?
Instead what do we get on the BBC homepage under ‘Coronavirus Pandemic’?

Scotland pupils to wear face coverings from Monday
How to care for someone with Coronavirus at home
Man who believed virus was hoax loses wife to Covid-19
Pathetic!
I saw that Tony Hall had said yesterday, without a note of irony  ” There is, he said, another pandemic… that of misinformation.”

Perhaps you’d care to look at
https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.bbc.co.uk
Over 7000 reviews, 93% of which gives the BBC 1 star out of 5, many bemoaning the fact that there was not a ‘no stars’ option. Many mention your appalling scaremongering over the Covid crisis.

You need to consider what you have done & what the reckoning for the BBC will be. The tide of ‘misinformation’ is turning, already SAGE ‘experts’ are breaking their cover such as Mark Woolhouse who said yesterday that “Lockdown was a panic measure and I believe history will say trying to control Covid-19 through lockdown was a monumental mistake on a global scale, the cure was worse than the disease.”

You may have been the Government’s tame poodle but unfortunately for them and you the rest of the world is reporting, as you should have done, that this will be seen to be the biggest mistake ever made, the biggest over-reaction ever and that you have blood on your hands by being the government’s mouthpiece. Hundreds of millions of people in the developing world will be placed into abject poverty.

102739 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Marie R, 6, #653 of 1481 🔗

Excellent! I look forward to seeing their reply (if any). It will be a total whitewash, and won’t address any of the points you’ve made. And as usual with the BBC, they’ll be telling you how fantastic they are.

102833 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Marie R, 3, #654 of 1481 🔗

Well done.

Re the hoax man wife death article, I would like to point out that article was written by one Marianne Spring, BBC Specialist Disinformation Reporter.

I wonder how the Specialist is different from regular.

102982 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, 1, #655 of 1481 🔗

Probably got 3 stripes

103196 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, #656 of 1481 🔗

Deceased wife was huge!

102725 Tommo, replying to Tommo, 13, #657 of 1481 🔗

Lunacy work practices – my partner has recently returned to work after year off maternity leave. She is a sceptic (probably because of my long rants!). Official company policy is to look away from a colleague if you pass them in a corridor or other communal area. Only a few staff in office and most ignore this stupidity. But she did experience for the first time today a colleague put on a mask and look the other way, as she passed her on the stairs. Apparently quite a dehumanising experience. Another cracking policy… if you can sit 2 metres apart in a meeting with another person, then you have to do the meeting back to back. I laughed out loud at this one.

102745 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Tommo, 12, #658 of 1481 🔗

If she wants to make a nuisance of herself get her to ask to see the company’s risk assessment justifying these measures and the evidence of th eir own research proving or justifying the measures are correct and so on.

Should open a big can of worms and drive the company into knots.

Ask them to justify a measure that is “conjured up out of nowhere” can be proved to be a mitigation.

102875 ▶▶▶ PWL, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #659 of 1481 🔗

Yes, this is what people must do.

102857 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tommo, 8, #660 of 1481 🔗

Look away from a colleague?

What kind of demented psycho makes this stuff up?

103199 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, #661 of 1481 🔗

A very demented psycho?

102728 DRW, replying to DRW, 17, #662 of 1481 🔗

Good evening sceptics. Not been on here lately because of some bad family news and was feeling bad enough without the latest covidrama getting me down further. Just thought I’d check in and I find this horror awaits. Well that’s one for the instant regret compilation.

You guys and Toby are brilliant and I usually enjoy reading all your comments but I’ve just never been worse. More troubling personal issues on top of the relentless push for “safety” bullshit everywhere, plus the dread of what’s coming next are all just so terrible I had to take some time off.

The deeper we sink into this dystopian world the less I want anything to do with it and I just have no energy to go out, except for some excercise. The fact that certain countries are pretty much over it (Netherlands, Nordics, Baltics etc.) makes it even harder. I can manage without social contact but it’s still just so saddening for everything to be like this and have so little opposition, apart from on here and the other scattered voices and groups of dissent.

As I fell asleep last night, I wanted a proper natural disaster to put us out of our misery. It’d just be finishing the job, so much has already been burnt to ashes anyway.

102752 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to DRW, 2, #663 of 1481 🔗

I would like to say keep your chin up but I can’t think of any reasons for optimism. Agony upon agony.

See Biker’s reply to NappyFace’s comment below. There might well be something like this headed our way. Like you I am increasingly of the opinion that this would be a good thing.

102784 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to DRW, 1, #664 of 1481 🔗

Good evening! There is always some good news on here and a laugh! It is tough staying sane though!

102798 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to DRW, 6, #665 of 1481 🔗

So sorry that you are feeling this way.
I am too struggling as have no person to talk to except websites. Please keep venting on these sites.
Try to find things that bring you joy. I learned a great lesson from a guy who became paralyzed last year and who struggled a lot, until he came up with a plan:
Every morning he thinks of minimum 5 things to be grateful for.
And someone else who had a though time: everything is TEMPORARY.
It takes some time to get your head around, but it has helped me.

102855 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Silke David, 3, #666 of 1481 🔗

If you join up with Kep Britain Free they do have some local groups that meet

There might be one in your area

Or if you’re prepared to say on here roughly where you live, maybe people would “reach out”

I have my Mrs to talk to, who is a sceptic like me, but we’d be happy to meet locally based like minded people to offer mutual moral support

102828 ▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 8, #667 of 1481 🔗

Be strong. Being miserable plays into THEIR evil hands.
You’ve got us.
Smile, keep your courage up,this will end,THEY will pay.

102898 ▶▶ Sue, replying to DRW, 3, #668 of 1481 🔗

I know how you feel – some of the things i do to keep stress in check none of which are revolutionary and you probably do already:
Try and get out of house for fresh air and change of scene from the house.
Drive out to the country/beach for the day and walk for hours until you’re exhausted.
Avoid all msm news channels which is just hysterical and click bait.
Listen to music is useful also. Read or a hobby
Have a diy project in the house to keep you busy and productive/results as you progress.
Go for coffee in nice coffee place which are thankfully mask free and relatively normal.
Don’t go shopping where masks required/minimise to essentials
Try and have a chat with someone who is also sceptical or at least can listen to an alternative point of view.
Plan a holiday or something to look forward to next year (when hopefully this will be better)
Have a plan for your next day and stick to it.
It is difficult time for all – stay strong!

103211 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sue, #669 of 1481 🔗

There’s plenty of optimism to be found in these blog comments.
Read, belly laugh, know you’re not alone.
Act normal, spread normalcy. SMILE. Subtly convert one person at a time.
Give yourself a purpose.

102740 Awkward Git, 15, #670 of 1481 🔗

Had to visit an office today.

Lots of signs about social distancing and so on but no real enforcing it and it was one of those things that get posted on notice boards but ignored so over a cup of tea I had an informal chat with some of the staff and turns out a lot of them are heading into sceptics land.

When told of the quote from Prof Dingwall “conjured up out of nowhere” and how did the company justify the measures as part of a risk assessment they said “what risk assessment?”

Mentioned this is against health and safety at work act and so on so staff were reassured it was all nonsense.

Good to see.

102742 Norma McNormalface, replying to Norma McNormalface, 16, #671 of 1481 🔗

Finally a policy (no masks in schools) actually following the science and based on a reason-based risk assessment and it’s in danger of being upstaged by another piece of political theatre perpetuating the myths surrounding risk. I give up.

102783 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Norma McNormalface, 8, #672 of 1481 🔗

Gives you an idea of the pressure exerted behind the scenes. There are games afoot that we can only speculate on

102791 ▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #673 of 1481 🔗

Yep – the Sage guy yesterday clearly broke ranks rather than being sent out by gov, even though his overall message was still dumb ‘test test test’ nonsense, the masks on kids may have been a step too far for him, he knew what was coming today and spoke out? Maybe… either way, it counted for shit, we all know Bojo will go down the same path ole nicky has trodden

102825 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mark II, #674 of 1481 🔗

Presumably it can’t be firced on private schools.

102956 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to annie, 1, #675 of 1481 🔗

I suspect private schools are worried about insurance, HSE and spectacularly entitled and hypocritical unionised teachers.

102746 Basics, replying to Basics, 20, #676 of 1481 🔗

Hope ‘n’ Glory has reached number one on the online music store that matters apparently. Lawrence Fox has tweeted about it. The public have spoken.

102824 ▶▶ annie, replying to Basics, 2, #677 of 1481 🔗

Good.
Bugger the Beeb..

102853 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to annie, 7, #678 of 1481 🔗

Indeed, but I am sorry to say that I found it very depressing it was on the front page of the Mail. The only story on the front page of any self respecting newspaper should be “End lockdown now”, every day.

102871 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Basics, 1, #679 of 1481 🔗

The chutzpah.

Rule Ruritania. Sung from doorsteps. It’s more appropriate.

102967 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to PWL, #680 of 1481 🔗

Rule Britannia indeed! Could it become a skeptic tune.

102760 TJN, replying to TJN, 30, #681 of 1481 🔗

This afternoon I paid a comparatively rare visit to the main centre of the largest city down here in Deepest Devon. Hardly any muzzles on the streets, but nearly all muzzles in shops. Notably, in the two banks I went into there a couple of unmuzzled homo sapiens, aside from me.

The town was quite busy. As I was walking along I noticed a small grouping on the wide expanse of paving on the walkway in front of me, held back by security barriers, behind which were a couple of security guards. I noticed the ground was wet there (the sun being out and the ground otherwise dry), and thought it was odd as they were blocking a couple of shop entrances.

I wondered if there had been an accident or something and someone was having first aid. As I walked past I glanced over, as you do, to see what the problem was. One of the security guards was hosing down the pavement. I thought here must be blood or something, as I couldn’t see anyone else there.

But as I looked closer I saw what he problem was: an abandoned face nappy lying on the ground. I said to them, ‘Is all this for that?’, nodding at the offending item and laughing. Yes, they said, and sternly advised me not to step in the wet patch where the water was washing away. I’ve no idea how they dealt with the actual item itself.

I do enjoy the surreal. Life in Covid Britain. Monty Python come real!

102763 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to TJN, 11, #682 of 1481 🔗

LOL! Fantastic. Perhaps we should all ring up the local council knobheads whenever we come across a discarded face nappy and report it as biohazard material.

102771 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tenchy, 3, #683 of 1481 🔗

Tape and cones until made safe.

102780 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Basics, 3, #684 of 1481 🔗

Yes,they really love their hazard tape now don’t they,whenever I see some I snap it.

102775 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Tenchy, 1, #685 of 1481 🔗

What a great idea! Thank you!

102870 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Tenchy, 4, #686 of 1481 🔗

maybe that’s what all the blue lights and sirens are for – to sanitise the death masks discarded by the great british public!! 🙂

102951 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tenchy, 1, #687 of 1481 🔗

Now there’s a plan. Report every face nappy to environmental health…

102765 Basics, replying to Basics, 12, #688 of 1481 🔗

Patrick Henningsen points out that the helluva story that made Devi Sridhar’s globalist heart skip a beat yesterday is, in Patrick’s words, pure bullshit.

Devi tweeted out work of her dear colleague so fast that Devi had to explain that she, herself, had not verified the finding. Handy little get out there if the agenda requires unscientifically stimulating.

The amazing finding had been that in Hong Kong a single subject had been proven to become reinfected. This was news to be rushed out to the public by Devi.

Patrick has put things straight by pointing out the reinfection is in point of fact a different infection.

https://twitter.com/21WIRE/status/1298271612551065600?s=20

Patrick added to his orginal tweet:
“The purpose of this #FakeNews article by @Guardian was to promote social compliance, i.e. #COVID #vaccine and #masks. Messaging embedded nicely in middle of story:

“They should still be offered vaccination ….. and should also comply with mask-wearing and social distancing””

103231 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, #689 of 1481 🔗

“Unaware he’d caught the virus a second time”
ie. asymptomatic!

102779 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 14, #690 of 1481 🔗

The 7 States that stayed open are amongst the top performers in terms of minimizing deaths per capita. In fact, the most draconian states such as New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Michigan , where the governor even banned the selling of seeds , are the worst performing states. Whereas states like Wyoming, Utah, South Dakota, and North Dakota, which did not lock down are amongst the best overall in terms of deaths per capita.

https://www.aier.org/article/a-closer-look-at-the-states-that-stayed-open/

102790 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Sarigan, 12, #691 of 1481 🔗

Something many of us noticed a couple of months back. There’s always some excuse such as population density but the real life data is pretty clear.

Countries with harder and longer lockdowns have higher death tolls.

102817 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #692 of 1481 🔗

Yep, just like the masks. I posted this late on yesterday’s page:

A rundown of the countries with mask mandates and their infections transmissions.

https://twitter.com/CovidSenseBloke/status/1297865055036411905

102835 ▶▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Sarigan, 1, #693 of 1481 🔗

This is really good material. I copied the link to the DT earlier today.

102837 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nobody2020, #694 of 1481 🔗

Top five countries in terms of deaths per million: Peru, UK, Italy, Belgium, Spain all had lockdowns. Sweden comes in at number six (!), though it was in the top five before Peru muscled in.

103051 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #695 of 1481 🔗

I would consider individual states in USA as countries for comparison purposes. Even if we break the UK down into the individual entities we would find Scotland (more similar to Sweden than the whole of UK) did worse than Sweden.

In general though comparing countries is only useful in specific circumstances.

103154 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nick Rose, #696 of 1481 🔗

It will be really interesting to see how this winter is in Sweden. Numbers in hospital continue to fall and many regions now have less than 6 people in hospital with the virus..

102808 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Sarigan, 3, #697 of 1481 🔗

Also NY, NJ, UT had bans on HCQ
MI extremely difficult to obtain
MA and ND some difficulty
WY & ND Standard prescription

102786 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 12, #698 of 1481 🔗

Recent conversation with my sister in Germany, who did not let her daughter have MMR, and does not believe in school medicine. Talked how rules apply one day, but not the next, despite rising positives. (they test everyone at the airport arriving from high risk countries).
I mentioned how positive does not mean ill, but just a +PCR test. she did not have a clue. I told her to do her research. She: Do not have time (stay at home mum of one in school), how do I know whom to believe?
Me: Who you think makes a convincing argument!
Later I thought, Ok, so she cannot be bothered to do her own research as she does not trust the scientists, but she is happy to believe the government and MSM.
I guess that applies to most people. Very sad.

102805 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Silke David, 6, #699 of 1481 🔗

What does she have at stake? Job, business, customers, home, food? I think these mostly explain attitudes, We have a very large proportion of the population that is immune in the short term from economic consequences. The lockdown is just a necessary inconvenience for them.

102911 ▶▶▶ smurfs, replying to WhyNow, 5, #700 of 1481 🔗

I am trying not to be negative but I think the financial tsunami that is going to hit us all very soon will get everyone’s attention. No amount of universal basic income, aka furlough money, will shield the population from the fallout and social upheaval that will most likely follow this global C19 insanity.

People will start rioting when there is food rationing, when banks start bailing-in depositor savings and when pensions evaporate into thin air, etc. Whether global governments can hold off this financial collapse before injecting us all is another matter.

Whatever happens, we must continue our resistance.

102946 ▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to smurfs, 2, #701 of 1481 🔗

Sadly, this pretty much sums up where I am.

103427 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to WhyNow, #702 of 1481 🔗

And many of these lockdownistas are millenials who are probably expecting that the Bank of Mum and Dad will bail them out.

102818 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Silke David, 5, #703 of 1481 🔗

my sister in Germany, who did not let her daughter have MMR, and does not believe in school medicine…..she cannot be bothered to do her own research as she does not trust the scientists, but she is happy to believe the government and MSM

That’s a bizarre pairing – sceptical of authorities regarding MMR and school medicine but conformist on the coronapanic!

102800 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 17, #704 of 1481 🔗

I love this gusty weather as most of the 2 meter apart signs blow over!

102819 ▶▶ annie, replying to Steeve, 6, #705 of 1481 🔗

Stomp on them!

102810 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 20, #706 of 1481 🔗

Notice the BBC is now headlining with “Pressure grows for Masks in England”.
There is no pressure, there is only a bunch of panic mongering journalists determined to get the eeeevil tories combined with a hard left union and a bunch of bureaucrats all of whose salaries are guaranteed no matter what.
They already have the expert evidence but are wilfully ignoring it again:
https://principia-scientific.com/u-k-study-very-little-evidence-of-virus-spread-in-schools/

102816 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Nessimmersion, 4, #707 of 1481 🔗

There must surely be ‘pressure’ from parents who don’t want tis see masks used in school. Or am I wrong in thinking this? Such parents will ‘vote with their feet’ surely? – but then they’ll be counted amongst them that wants it!

102832 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Ned of the Hills, 8, #708 of 1481 🔗

There were a lot of comments (against masks in schools) on the DT articles that suggested masks were a good idea. In fact all but one comment was anti-masks (Epstein article).

102881 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Ozzie, #709 of 1481 🔗

Well, that’s cheery.

102943 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Ozzie, #710 of 1481 🔗

Nearly cancelled my subscription after her last bed wetter offering.

102867 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #711 of 1481 🔗

My kids are primary. If they impose masks on primary kids, I will keep them home (despite how desperate I am to see the back of them. Sorry). But it looks like it’s going to be secondary only. Hopefully, others with older children feel as I do.

103022 ▶▶▶ Azoumi, replying to Ned of the Hills, #712 of 1481 🔗

https://www.change.org/p/gavin-williamson-mp-do-not-make-masks-mandatory-for-children-in-primary-or-secondary-schools-in-uk?redirect=false

This is a petition that has been running for a while…it needs signatures…mamy many more than it already has…we need to sign ‘n’ share…I signed it weeks ago…

Some on here will already know about this but for those that don’t, please please sign this.

103065 ▶▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Azoumi, #713 of 1481 🔗

Just signed it

102822 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Nessimmersion, 4, #714 of 1481 🔗

It’s a done deal. Just the motions of what used to be national debate to go through.

102851 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nessimmersion, 11, #715 of 1481 🔗

Notice the BBC is now headlining with “Pressure grows for Masks in England”.”

Pressure grows for masks in England = we at the BBC think there should be masks in England

They don’t need to sell papers or get clicks, it is purely their political and social agenda

Despicable

And the PM and others are despicable for not standing up to them

102895 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Julian, 5, #716 of 1481 🔗

just as bad as when they start an item on global warming as “scientists say….” = we have seen a crackpot report in some obscure magazine that the global warming fanatics have referred us to so we will show it verbatim as the truth without actually checking it

102890 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Nessimmersion, #717 of 1481 🔗
102921 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Nessimmersion, 11, #718 of 1481 🔗

Pressure grows for abolition of BBC , a lying race hate propagandist outfit that seeks to destroy our country, our free speech and our democracy.

102976 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to OKUK, 4, #719 of 1481 🔗

I actually now think the BBC news team and executives need to be against the wall even before the cabinet.

103148 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nessimmersion, #720 of 1481 🔗

BBC interviewed 2 ‘mums’ pushing for masks – both then shown to be political activist – see Guido Fawkes…

102838 Steeve, 1, #721 of 1481 🔗

Stumbled on 10 creepy masks – makes interesting reading!

https://listverse.com/2014/05/07/10-utterly-creepy-historical-masks/#:~:text=%2010

102848 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, #722 of 1481 🔗

I should know this, but how do we search the comments?

102849 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to PastImperfect, #723 of 1481 🔗

Me too!

102850 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steeve, 1, #724 of 1481 🔗

Ctrl-f

102863 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Julian, #725 of 1481 🔗

Thanks!

102879 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Julian, #726 of 1481 🔗

Thanks

102885 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Julian, #727 of 1481 🔗

How do we do it on an iPad?

103091 ▶▶ Marie R, replying to PastImperfect, #728 of 1481 🔗

3 dots top right, go to Find in page, put what you are searching for (but it doesn’t often work!)

102869 hotrod, replying to hotrod, 10, #729 of 1481 🔗

Meanwhile….

Scottish schools have been open 2.5 weeks.

They appear to be coping.

So why now is there reason to wear masks?

Edinburgh as a city has gone down in cases and total are 3 in 100,000.

What am I missing?

What is driving Nicola and why is Johnson following?

102873 ▶▶ matt, replying to hotrod, 5, #730 of 1481 🔗

Oh, that’ll be the WHO and the BBC

102927 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to matt, #731 of 1481 🔗

Indeed it will. Noted.

102960 ▶▶▶ PD, replying to matt, 2, #732 of 1481 🔗

Both funded by Bill and Melli G 👍🏼

102884 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to hotrod, 12, #733 of 1481 🔗

So why now is there reason to wear masks?

Because this is one of the most ingenious and diabolical acts of mass social engineering that has ever been pulled off. The perfection of its evil is impressive. And absent a popular rebellion, it will be with us for decades.

102887 ▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to Richard O, #734 of 1481 🔗

But why?

That would suggest Nicola and Boris are working together.

Clearly that can’t be true.

102894 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to hotrod, 18, #735 of 1481 🔗

Boris is a complete fucking coward who seems to have left what little spine he ever had in St Thomas’ hospital. Boris is evil through stupidity and cowardice, Sturgeon is evil through design. I don’t know which is worse (practically, rather than morally.

Not to those who might criticise me for using “Boris” – I do it as a signal of contempt, and for no other reason.

102896 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to matt, 7, #736 of 1481 🔗

I’m angry today. Apologies for the language.

102899 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to matt, #737 of 1481 🔗

Listen to this…it’ll make you happy. Plus tell your other skeptical mates! https://bedwetters.buzzsprout.com/

102905 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 2, #738 of 1481 🔗

Just finished listening to London Calling and dinner for the family will be ready in about 5 minutes, Lord R, but Bedwetters is next on my list. Will I find it through Sonos, do you know?

102917 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to matt, #739 of 1481 🔗

Who, or rather the WHO needs the BBC, we do not.

Another podcast worth listening to is No Agenda, bit off the wall but interesting

103431 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to matt, #740 of 1481 🔗

Excellent news! I hope you enjoyed. Latest episode is a bit numbers heavy!

102937 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 1, #741 of 1481 🔗

Loving the podcast Lord R. Was trying to think of some names but only one I could come up with so far is The Maskerade Podcast. Will have a glass or two and see if I can come up with any more.

103434 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Sarigan, #742 of 1481 🔗

Thanks very much! Like the title there too… https://bedwetters.buzzsprout.com/

102962 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to matt, 1, #743 of 1481 🔗

No need to apologise. They are beneath contempt. I wish I believed in Hell, because if I did I could comfort myself with the certainty that they would burn for eternity.

103017 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to matt, #744 of 1481 🔗

Let you off for that. I’ve been angry since March.

102958 ▶▶▶▶▶ Gtec, replying to matt, 3, #745 of 1481 🔗

Sturgeon is a nazilist (a cross between a Nazi and a rabid socialist), so is staying true to the SNP’s roots.

103096 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Eve, replying to Gtec, #746 of 1481 🔗

Is that a type of Ickean lizard? Perhaps David Icke is right after all about who rules the country…

102897 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to hotrod, 5, #747 of 1481 🔗

This is being dictated from global level downwards (specifically the WHO and WEF on Covid-19 which has been discussed here at length). Countries are pretty much irrelevant at this stage, especially when we have extremely weak, talentless leaders such as Johnson and Sturgeon.

103144 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, 1, #748 of 1481 🔗

What is in it for all these world leaders?

102978 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to hotrod, 5, #749 of 1481 🔗

Evil minds think alike. Remember that this mask tyranny is global. The image of 2020: A mask deleting a human face.
BUT NOT FOR EVER.
Evil can be resisted.
And there IS a Hell.
And evil people DO go there.

102907 ▶▶ Basics, replying to hotrod, 5, #750 of 1481 🔗

Both govs are directly linked to WHO via advisors. Sturgeon is taking faster at following WHO diktats – for her political reason.

Scotland are not health giants, the government has not got a grasp of the health complexities within it’s ministers ideed msp snp freedman has just annouced shes had enough and isn’t standing again. Education swinney eariler today announce the school mask thing – he spoke of WHO releasing a new guideline at the weekend and, he said, the advisors told the politicians. The clueless politicians judge on basis on advice and the result is what we all see.

The advisors are the same people to UK and Scot Govs. SAGE, DELVE, etc. It’s the political speed which is on sturgeons side, plus Scottish schools are in so even more speed.

Apologies for ranting and repeating myself.

102930 ▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to Basics, 1, #751 of 1481 🔗

Sturgeon made it clear yesterday that she’ll choose even more caution than the WHO recommends.

102949 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Mark H, #752 of 1481 🔗

Is sturgeon capable of creatively understanding and implementing more caution than WHO? It’s a fine trick to play politically, but the actually policy ideas must be generated at some point. This is not coming from SNP gov HQ.

104049 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basics, #753 of 1481 🔗

WHO diktats change due to lobbying by Governments

103140 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to hotrod, 1, #754 of 1481 🔗

Bill and Melinda – pics of them with both Sturgeon and Boris..

102872 matt, replying to matt, 1, #755 of 1481 🔗

Question for those who have been here before: I’m part way through my annual TV licence (paying monthly). Can I just cancel my direct debit, or do I need to do something else?

102876 ▶▶ Lili, replying to matt, 6, #756 of 1481 🔗

Apparently you should inform them – there’s some sort of form on their website – but we didn’t. We just cancelled the DD. I don’t see why we need to essentially get their permission. If we get a letter we’ll deal with it accordingly.

102882 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Lili, 3, #757 of 1481 🔗

Jolly good. A couple of straws have finally broken the back of the law abiding citizen camel.

102891 ▶▶▶▶ Dave Tee, replying to matt, 5, #758 of 1481 🔗

Me too, cancelled yesterday. Snipping off the plug (having first detached it from the power socket!) felt sooo good. Hadn’t turned on the tv for weeks anyway. My refund is going to Macmillan – I have an idea they’re going to be needing it.

102893 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to matt, 2, #759 of 1481 🔗

I just need to convince ‘the wife’ then f*ck off beeb….

102901 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to T. Prince, 2, #760 of 1481 🔗

Licence is in my name and paid for from my bank account. Can’t see the wife objecting, but I also can’t see her noticing.

102886 ▶▶ Basics, replying to matt, #761 of 1481 🔗

You are capable of surviving the telephone call to inform tgem you no longer require a licence.

It’s enlightening to have them go through tgeir set procedure, reading rules to intimidate you. You listen. Agree. They take you from their active list and send a letter once every two years to check you out.

Others rightfully say they have no right to even to that – we are all born free without the BBC burden. I chose to phone them to both learn and be clear what I can expect from them. Lessens anxiety.

102889 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Basics, 3, #762 of 1481 🔗

Oh, couldn’t give a crap for their phone calls. I give a crap about their evil, relentless propaganda. Maybe I’ll do it officially after all.

102920 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to matt, #763 of 1481 🔗

Yes. So you get intimidation letters every so often. Informing them stops this.

Some people like to get the letters and play them at their own game. Myself its simple enough to phine them and be done with them.

Not particularly writing to yourself matt, can see you can work things out no bother. Others, perhaps who are reading only may get something from the discussion.

102965 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Basics, #764 of 1481 🔗

All good, Basics. Mine was a genuine question – I don’t care about threatening letters from the BBC, but a CCJ would be a bit more inconvenient.

102991 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to matt, 1, #765 of 1481 🔗

They get you (not you) through intimdation. That’s the cycle to break. Inform them and you are free. Yes that is wrong in itself.

Good luck with it. Smart move.

103016 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, 1, #766 of 1481 🔗

Do it online. Totally hassle free!
https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ265

103014 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to matt, 2, #767 of 1481 🔗

If you tick the box that says you don’t need a tv licence, they won’t bother you for 2 years.

103102 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #769 of 1481 🔗

Did anyone ever read the 12 Tasks of Aterix? One of his hardest tasks was to try to get something or other out of a government bureau in Lutetia. He kept getting sent in an endless loop and never got anywhere (until he broke the system).

Well – that’s what that link does.

103139 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adamb, replying to matt, #770 of 1481 🔗

Ha yes, refer to it often. Currently on holiday with my aged parents who wanted to watch news at 10, have avoided it for months, prompted a discussion with my wife about cancelling our licence fee after seeing the school face mask horror being reported.

103149 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to matt, 1, #771 of 1481 🔗

If you cancel your direct debit they will contact you telling you about fifty ways to pay. In small print it will tell you what to do if you no longer need a licence and you can cancel online.
I did this in June, it feel marvellous.

102883 hotrod, replying to hotrod, 6, #772 of 1481 🔗

Missing in action?

Laura Kuenssberg

Not been seen or heard of for a while.

Rather odd for the mouthpiece of government for the last four years

102941 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to hotrod, 5, #773 of 1481 🔗

I did wonder why that annoying, grating and repetitive sound had disappeared from my head and now you have explained it.

102961 ▶▶ Julian, replying to hotrod, 6, #774 of 1481 🔗

Missing but not missed

103135 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to hotrod, 1, #775 of 1481 🔗

Has she got CV19?

103243 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, #776 of 1481 🔗

Hasn’t tweeted for over a month ….

103300 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to hotrod, 1, #777 of 1481 🔗

I take it she’s goes on holiday at the same time as parliament does which is why we haven’t heard anything from her. She’ll be back soon enough.

102888 FatBastardMcKenzie, replying to FatBastardMcKenzie, 16, #778 of 1481 🔗

“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grammes a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grammes a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours?

The fabulous statistics continued to pour out of the telescreen…”

102973 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to FatBastardMcKenzie, 5, #779 of 1481 🔗

Orwell was a genius.It fits the mask narrative perfectly.

103085 ▶▶▶ Marie R, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #780 of 1481 🔗

I finished reading 1984 just before coronabollocks and it had a profound effect on me. Total genius. No idea I was about to enter that world

102975 ▶▶ annie, replying to FatBastardMcKenzie, 4, #781 of 1481 🔗

Yes, they swallowed it, ‘with the stupidity of an animal’.
Actually, my dog and my horse know jolly well when they’re being short-changed on the food front. Animals aren’t nearly as stupid as zombies.
l never cease to wonder how zombies manage to be that stupid. Most of them, of course, are simply brain dead. How many of them are doubleplusgood doublethinkers?

102989 ▶▶▶ FatBastardMcKenzie, replying to annie, 2, #782 of 1481 🔗

I ensure I commit multiple facecrime daily!

102900 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 11, #783 of 1481 🔗

It was an interview with Dr Jay Bhattacharya at Stamford in April that first made me sceptical about what our supreme leaders had dictated. In short, he questioned the estimated mortality rate then.

In case you haven’t seen it, he’s done a very good update interview with John Anderson here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcnQPInwVNQ

Well worth a watch. He gets it and should be on our list of heroes for sure!

102986 ▶▶ stewart, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #784 of 1481 🔗

Him, Ioannidis, Levitt, Hitchens, Sayers and the anonymous bloke behind the “Perspectives on the Pandemic” series top my list.

103194 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stewart, 1, #785 of 1481 🔗

Ivor Cummings, Carl Henegen, Gupta at Oxford, Levitt.

Absolute heavyweights dripping with deep thought and integrity

102902 mjr, replying to mjr, 3, #786 of 1481 🔗

Coincidence … Just watching Doc Martin on itv.. First time ever.. tv is that bad., Part of the plot is a small girl rushed to hospital with Kawasaki disease. But not covid related

103217 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to mjr, 1, #787 of 1481 🔗

My daughter is on her hols in Cornwall and sent a pic of her outside Doc Martin’s door ….I said knock on and ask to see him because you got more chance than seeing a real one

102906 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 17, #788 of 1481 🔗

1. Cummings’ father in law says Bozo will resign in six months on health grounds. He doesn’t look well to me. Ring of truth I think – Brexit done, he goes. Raises hope he might declare CV War is won before he goes too. Least he could egging do.

2. BBC – mask propagandists of the worst, lying kind – on
back foot over censorship of last night of the proms. Buy Vera Lynn’s Land of Hope and Glory to embarrass them further, Laurence Fox suggests it can get to the top of the charts.

102938 ▶▶ Basics, replying to OKUK, 5, #789 of 1481 🔗

2 it already has

102948 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to OKUK, 11, #790 of 1481 🔗

If things finally start improving, I think we might see a lot of prominent public figures with blood on their hands vacating their positions and disappearing from view before the hammer falls. They must not be allowed to escape justice.

102972 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Richard O, 7, #791 of 1481 🔗

I read somewhere on another blog that a certain government minister (unnamed) was keeping a diary/log of all the decisions he had been making during this crisis in case they came back to bite him.

102985 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Margaret, 2, #792 of 1481 🔗

Will the log help him? More likely to hang him, I’d have thought.

102988 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Margaret, 3, #793 of 1481 🔗

Day 1 – no decisions made, instructions from superiors implemented.
Day 2 – no decisions made, instructions from superiors implemented.

Rinse and repeat. “I was just following orders Your Honour”.

103133 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to OKUK, 1, #794 of 1481 🔗

Where did you read that about Cummings’ father-in-law?

103766 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Carrie, #795 of 1481 🔗

It was in the Mail somewhere – Johnson denied it all.

102912 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 13, #796 of 1481 🔗

Interesting that comments on many news sites are now overwhelmingly sceptical. They seem to get the odd guardian popping up, but quickly squashed with facts.

102922 ▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to WhyNow, 7, #797 of 1481 🔗

It’s gorgeous isn’t it! Like the fact that last week out of 9000+ deaths only 1.5% were atributed to the dreaded covid. https://bedwetters.buzzsprout.com/

102990 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to WhyNow, 4, #798 of 1481 🔗

If HMG doesn’t wake up, they’ll be left behind…

102913 mjr, replying to mjr, 2, #799 of 1481 🔗

Tonight C4 21.00 “How to avoid a second wave ” – should be interesting how they show there is something to avoid

102974 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to mjr, 4, #800 of 1481 🔗

Channel 4 is always something to avoide

102983 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #801 of 1481 🔗

That horrid little ‘stay safe’ message in the top left- hand corner! No C4 for us until they get rid if it. Stay away!

102923 Laura Suckling, 18, #802 of 1481 🔗

Small but encouraging. During a visit to the gym today I got into a conversation with an employee. This was a young woman (early 20’s), She and I disclosed our disgust with the current situation. As the conversation progressed it became apparent that this was a relief on both our parts. There is hope.

102931 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 15, #803 of 1481 🔗

Just watched some of the Devi Sridhar interview. She’s a total nutter and its truly frightening that such people have their hands on the levers of power.

102944 ▶▶ Basics, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #804 of 1481 🔗

This is not a comment, I vowed not to make another comment today about this. But. It is remarkable how many independent comments have said the same kind of opinion today. Like i said, not a comment, but others have felt strongly enough to write similarly.

102969 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Basics, 6, #805 of 1481 🔗

So many thanks wrong with what she says. 3 spring to mind as particularly troubling:

  1. She seems to idolise the way China dealt with it
  2. She believes in the old ‘Sweden’s culture is different so Lockdowns weren’t needed and anyway they’ve not done any better’ BS
  3. She does not see the trade offs of her lockdown zealotry AT ALL
102998 ▶▶▶▶ 4096, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #806 of 1481 🔗

She has a really shifty look about her. I wonder if any of her research got funding from sources connected to China – sorry, the twitter thread from yesterday has turned me into a real conspiracy theorist.

102968 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #807 of 1481 🔗

Looking like a slightly similar situation to Park Guen-hye. “Spiritual” advisor and all that

102933 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 35, #808 of 1481 🔗

Funniest examples of non compliance.

It’s always good to see some rebellious soul doing their own thing in these authoritarian times. I couldn’t help but laugh when I was walking across the bridge in Otley today. Like most towns and cities the busses are running to schedule (government sponsored) and are mostly empty and those few who are on board are usually masked. As I walked across the bridge a bus came over slowly and on board were three women. Nearest the front two of them sat solemnly with their masks looking idly out of the window. Nearer the back sat another middle aged lady not only without a mask but was happily puffing away on a cigarette.

Full marks to this lady of spirit. No mask and a fag to boot. Funniest thing I’ve seen in this madness for a while.

102935 ▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #809 of 1481 🔗

Man that it brilliant! Might add this story to the pod… https://bedwetters.buzzsprout.com/

102947 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 2, #810 of 1481 🔗

listened to episode 1 as i was making my tea.. good stuff!!!

102954 ▶▶▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to mjr, #811 of 1481 🔗

Wicked, great news! Although I’m slightly worried I might get ‘cancelled’ or in trouble!

102955 ▶▶▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to mjr, #812 of 1481 🔗

Do you mind if we add it to the pod? I really want to get some stories on there!

102950 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #813 of 1481 🔗

Never been a smoker but this whole shite show makes me want to start.

102993 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #814 of 1481 🔗

I went to the local garage the other week – 2 in at a time. Guy before had no mask – “You need to wear a mask” – “just had a heart attack” I was behind but the cashier said nothing to me. Another person walks in with a mask “Its only 2 at a time!” Ignored and went to the coffee machine. To be honest I did feel a bit sorry for the lady!
Another time I walk in no probs-more worried about 2 bikers smoking a fag- yes That’s right having a fag in the petrol station!
Another time I’m paying for fuel – no problems, then a police car drives in. Slight worry appears on the cashiers face.

102952 Hannahbanana, replying to Hannahbanana, 32, #815 of 1481 🔗

An update from my little gym bubble….still only the tiniest handful of muzzling, most members (we have over 2000) not muzzled and behaving more or less normally, except for more adherence to cleaning and personal space, which would have been a good call prior anyway for general hygeine and etiquette.

I know that it is a biased sample (bedwetters are not rushing to the scary gym) but lots of scepticism and accepting that the measures are extremely disproportionate measures.

I explained to a few that I have not, and have no intention of, wearing a mask and a lot are shocked – “how do you get away with that???”. People are questioning the agenda but not quite thinking for themselves or seem to grasp the idea of individual sovereignty or bodily autonomy. I tell them “I just go in to shops and no one questions me” and that sets the cogs to work!

As a bonus, I noticed a few shoppers uncovering their faces after my husband and I walked past unmasked. If it gives 1 or 2 others the confidence to abandon the mask I am very happy with that!

102959 ▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Hannahbanana, 9, #816 of 1481 🔗

Great work. I did the same in ouor local garage. Two other people took their masks off and thanked me for being a pig headed skeptic!

103024 ▶▶▶ John, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 2, #817 of 1481 🔗

That’s an R rate of 2. (mask Removal)

103428 ▶▶▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to John, #818 of 1481 🔗
103002 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hannahbanana, 1, #819 of 1481 🔗

Good work!

103193 ▶▶ R G, replying to Hannahbanana, #820 of 1481 🔗

I was worried about going back to my local gym when it reopened, but apart from the visored staff and the cleaning stations, it’s the only place of business where I’ve experienced something approaching normality. I’m enjoying it while I can because it’s not hard to see them being closed down again because of something like a spike in “cases”.

102953 Gtec, replying to Gtec, 15, #821 of 1481 🔗

Just back from a walk along the beach and I could have sworn I saw a dead jelly fish – and it looked just like Boris Johnson, spineless.

102957 ▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Gtec, #822 of 1481 🔗

When you’re next on your walk…give this a listen: https://bedwetters.buzzsprout.com/

102966 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Gtec, 4, #823 of 1481 🔗

Can’t have been Johnson, jellyfish have testicles!

102977 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to JohnB, #824 of 1481 🔗

Thanks to the magic of the internet, I have to say: by jingo, so they do.

103001 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Gtec, 8, #825 of 1481 🔗

Talking of spineless, this from the Spectator:

Today Boris Johnson suggested the government could indeed change its guidance and require face coverings as children move between lessons, saying ‘if we need to change the advice then of course we will’.
 A general guide to the way this government makes policy is that it spends longer than it should saying it won’t be doing something because there is no scientific evidence to suggest it’s necessary, before announcing at the very last minute that it’s changing its mind and that the science is now totally clear that this measure is needed. Watch this space.

103041 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #826 of 1481 🔗

Saw that. Fraser Nelson is a full on sceptic on their daily podcast. He gets it. Unfortunately James Forsyth is still very much a full on Boris fan boy. He’s obviously afraid that it he questions anything Kim Jong Boris says then he’ll lose special access/rumours/favours etc,

103052 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Gtec, 8, #827 of 1481 🔗

Funny how Johnson once called the London assembly a bunch of “great supine protoplasmic invertebrate jellies.”

Come 2020, he has exposed himself to be a great supine protoplasmic invertebrate jelly

102971 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 21, #828 of 1481 🔗

Please watch this interview with Denise Welch and ask why is the country being destroyed by the Government.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OorfiaOqQnA

Why is Covid 19 being put on death certificates when the deceased have clearly died of something else ?  Why are we being told to wear face masks when the clearly spread disease?   There’s no logic to any decision that being made?  Put entire cities in the north of England on lockdown because a few extra people test positive. I often wondered if politician have their brains removed when they achieved power. It’s probably true.

If we don’t stop these lock downs there will be the worst depression in history, mass unemployed the like of which we’ve never seen before. Humans can’t live 2 metres apart, you can’t communicate with your faces covered, businesses can’t function.

Please forward the link to everyone you know.

103039 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #829 of 1481 🔗

Thanks for the post. Watched it and can’t fault her sentiments.

103090 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #830 of 1481 🔗

Just watched this and agree with the points she’s raised.

102979 Eve, replying to Eve, 12, #831 of 1481 🔗

I had a moment of inspiration and realisation earlier with regard to safe spaces.

After dealing with the crazy Covid-induced impact on my local council’s capacity to pick up weekly rubbish, I attempted to speak to an employee where the conversation went round and round in circles, the main issue being: no one has collected rubbish for weeks, but the rubbish collectors won’t pick up rubbish if it’s in a bin (according to the council) or won’t pick up rubbish if it’s not in a bin (according to the rubbish collectors). And: Covid does impact rubbish collection and it doesn’t. Also: they don’t have time to sort out the problem. Okay then.

I studied logic at university but this totally befuddled me.

Anyhow, after taking a few moments to pause, breathe deeply and collect myself after this unhelpful conversation, I suddenly realised: the left need safe spaces because – yes! – in a world constructed on logical fallacies, you need a space to retreat; to cope with the madness!

And so I suddenly empathised wholeheartedly with the desire for safe spaces.

I’m also stuck in a constant state of irony because today’s LS blog is too despairing to read. ><

103033 ▶▶ matt, replying to Eve, 2, #832 of 1481 🔗

I have sympathy for your situation, but for me to believe your analysis, you would first need to demonstrate that the “woke” left show any desire for logic which might lead to a need to escape from the illogic they’re creating…

103043 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Eve, 3, #833 of 1481 🔗

Eve, this sounds completely out of order.
Stop dealing with the employees, your first recourse is to phone and email your local ward councillor and get a written explanation of what is holding up waste collection altogether for weeks.
You pay your council tax, you have a right to this.
If you get no joy, and your councillors have political ties, go to another one from the opposite party. Do the same with the Town Clerk, Chief Exec or whatever title the top person goes by.
You have a logic degree, you can fight this! Best of luck, keep us updated.

103791 ▶▶▶ Eve, replying to Bruno, #834 of 1481 🔗

Good advice – thank you!

103081 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Eve, 2, #835 of 1481 🔗

The woke left desire safe spaces to prevent any dissenting ideas from permeating their brainwashed minds.
The situation with the rubbish is a classic catch 22 situation.I wouldn’t expect logic from a local council these days they are too busy implementing agenda 21/30.

102984 Azoumi, replying to Azoumi, 50, #836 of 1481 🔗

I haven’t been on here since last week because my anxiety was so out of control I couldn’t take any more…but, this…this masking of children makes me feel actually “sick” as in proper nauseous “sick”! If I needed a straw to break my back this is it! I cannot, cannot fathom why we are not properley out on the streets…especialy if this gov’t follows suit…and for what? those lilly livered teachers unions? Sorry if any of you on here are teachers, I know you wont be supportive of this…but I have to share my thoughts.

Why? Why have teachers been allowed to be so much more afraid…worried…stressed than the rest of us? What makes them sooooo special? I am a social worker and an approved mental health professional and have never stopped going to work…yes going to work because I couldn’t do my job if I didn’t actually “see” people (though they did ensure we had a contingency in place…we could do Mental Health Act assessments over Whatsapp or MS teams…that’s okay innit? even for those that are paranoid about technology and surveillance…innit? as if!).

I can’t beleive I live in this world…a world where it seems to be acceptable to target the kids…how..who…how are they supposed to cope with this…School is bad enough for a lot of teens…I just don’t get it, I really don’t. I am so sad…but sooo angry that as a nation we don’t seem to be able to put a stop to this and, frankly, I’ve seen more outrage about Land of Hope and Glory and the BBC than I have about kids in masks! I don’t get it?!?!

103035 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Azoumi, 7, #837 of 1481 🔗

The lunatics have taken over the asylum

103107 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Azoumi, 4, #838 of 1481 🔗

At least Katharine Birbalsingh is speaking out against masks in schools – Head of the Michaela Academy. Being a member of the BAME community she is hard for people to ‘cancel’…and she has a lot of followers…

102992 mrjoeaverage, replying to mrjoeaverage, 77, #839 of 1481 🔗

Dear Boris Johnson,

I have cracked now. We have recently found out that our daughter’s friend, aged 14, killed himself a few days ago (Note to Toby, this is not in the public domain, and can be fully verified privately if required). He had depression, and was fine before all this lockdown nonsense.

Since this happened, our daughter has become rather withdrawn, not helped at all by the world she sees outside, and very soon, not helped more by likely experiencing these sinister face masks in a school environment. What are you doing to this country? Take a step back and look. Take at look at yourselves from a working class point of view, the real people, not morons on Twitter. They lost labour the election so don’t listen to Twitter, seriously, don’t. You are idiots, the lot of you, absolute idiots. Get in the real world for goodness sake. You are ruining people’s mentality!

So my message is clear, and I’m considering placing this message elsewhere too…..if anything happens to my daughter…..if she tries to do anything stupid, if you ruin her life and ours….we will hold you and your government personally responsible. I will fight every day for the rest of my life for justice. And believe me, this is not an idle threat, I will get justice for these monumental mistakes you have made and keep making.

You have no idea what you are doing to children. You have blood on your hands. Stop messing with children. If this was my child who killed herself, then God help you, seriously.

Regards,

One of a Million Anxious Parents

102995 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to mrjoeaverage, 22, #840 of 1481 🔗

That is heartbreaking. Where are the psychologists speaking up on MSM? Surely there must be some who are concerned enough to point this out?

Please do post this elsewhere, there has to be a voice for our children.

103000 ▶▶▶ Hannahbanana, replying to Laura Suckling, 17, #841 of 1481 🔗

Sadly I think the mental health experts are being sidelined for psychologists specialising in behaviour modifation, social conformity, generating threat perception and brainwashing.

103173 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Hannahbanana, 4, #842 of 1481 🔗

Indeed 90% of Psychology grads go into marketing, says it all

104086 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Laura Suckling, #843 of 1481 🔗

Most of the medical profession are keeping their heads down and waiting for the bonuses they’ve “earned” for doing absolutely nothing, apart from staying stum for the last six months. With just a few very honourable exceptions, most medical practitioners are now simply a total waste of space. What these overpaid and underworked medics don’t seem to realise, is that Bill Gates is simply not going to let them off the hook and once they themselves are vaccinated, they will be going down the Swanee, along with the rest of us.

102996 ▶▶ Hannahbanana, replying to mrjoeaverage, 11, #844 of 1481 🔗

I’m so sorry to hear this mrjoe. The lockdown bodycount is the biggest scandal in all this….first our elders, and increasingly the young hopes for the future. It’s horrifying, but perhaps some solidarity and conviction can come from these deaths and those demanding retribution and/or accountability can be part of the solution to this mess.

102997 ▶▶ hotrod, replying to mrjoeaverage, 9, #845 of 1481 🔗

Pin this to the top of tomorrow’s page. MSM have to be accountable for what they are doing 24/7.

103006 ▶▶▶ mrjoeaverage, replying to hotrod, 15, #846 of 1481 🔗

The difficulty is, the name is not in the public domain. But it has been confirmed by the secondary school (we have the letter) and it’s pretty easy to see everything once you know his name and can see the Facebook posts and the Go Fund Me pleas. But it’s showing respect for the family which I feel is very important. That’s why I felt it best to include the disclaimer that Toby is free to message me direct for verification privately. I very much appreciate your messages.

103005 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mrjoeaverage, 8, #847 of 1481 🔗

Less dramatic – but indicative of that damage being done by this studied child abuse : my grand daughter (5) – sociable, popular and out-going has become somewhat neurotic about leaving the house to play.

Evil is abroad – and he has ‘a mask like Castlereagh’ – not the face-nappy, but the empty covering worn by narcissistic politicians and fake ‘scientists’ seeking publicity.

103115 ▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to RickH, 4, #848 of 1481 🔗

So has mine , she is 7 and she accidently bumped into a man in a crowd and then wanted Mummy to take her jumper off and wash it . Her parents are totally against all this shit , but children can’t be locked away from the Zombie people

103009 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to mrjoeaverage, 10, #849 of 1481 🔗

Incalculable damage has been inflicted from which we will never recover.

A lot of this damage is currently going on under the radar, but in time every family will be directly affected with serious consequences like this.

Is it really going to take millions of events as tragic (and totally avoidable) as this before people start awakening from their slumber?

103027 ▶▶ annie, replying to mrjoeaverage, 11, #850 of 1481 🔗

God will not help them.
God us just. There are limits to His mercy.
Torture and abuse of children are beyond those limits.

“But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.”
St Matthew 18:6

103037 ▶▶▶ mrjoeaverage, replying to annie, #851 of 1481 🔗

That’s quite spooky your quote mentions “hanged” if you catch my drift….

103389 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, 2, #852 of 1481 🔗

Yes, but God needs to help us.

Someone wrote on here a little while ago that they felt Evil was afoot in the World, had settled upon us. I don’t read fantasy novels or anything, and know almost nothing of the Bible, but I get the same sense.

It’s about time God got back from his own Lockdown and started sorting this out.

Every dickhead you see in a shop proudly wearing their own muzzles – well that’s their choice. Not so with children.

103036 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to mrjoeaverage, 3, #853 of 1481 🔗

Awful, truly awful about your daughter’s friend. Just so unnecessary and wrong. When will this nonsense end.

103087 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mrjoeaverage, 4, #854 of 1481 🔗

Very sorry to hear this and yet again another one that joins the growing number of deaths associated from the government’s Carthaginian policies.

I agree with the others, this incident needs to be publicised ad nauseum especially in light of the recent U turn on muzzles for school children. Children are being betrayed by their elders and we should act to ensure that this monumental piece of stupidity is resisted at all costs.

103094 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to mrjoeaverage, 3, #855 of 1481 🔗

Very sorry to hear this Mr Joe.

It must be hard for your daughter to see that, day by day, we come closer to an ending.

But we do. We are human, and inhumanity will not prevail.

103098 ▶▶ tonys, replying to mrjoeaverage, 8, #856 of 1481 🔗

That lunatic Whitty explicitly stated deteriorating mental health as a reason a lockdown needed to be short, but that was five months ago and he now sees fit to ignore his previous concerns; criminal negligence.

103119 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to mrjoeaverage, 3, #857 of 1481 🔗

Just so very sorry for their tragic loss , it’s all beyond awful

102999 swedenborg, 12, #858 of 1481 🔗

https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1298311509332852736/photo/1

“They will be teaching this in sociology classes hundreds of years from now. The quintessential case of how large numbers of experts can be controlled to ends of destructive ignorance – by means of mob rule. A mob rules by violence, panic and social intimidation.

 Ethical skeptic is not the easiest person to follow. He doesn’t suffer fools gladly and he is obviously expert in statistics etc. I wouldn’t say that humility is much of his style.
The US graph he has produced is very interesting as he calculates for increased testing. In the blue curve you have the cases you would have, if you had the same testing frequency as in April. The grey area is pos cases due to finding more cases by ramping up testing.
If one would have done a true picture of the epidemic there would have been an enormous grey peak in April sliding down and the increased testing just finds the cases at the end of the epidemic. The deaths are much lower in the end of the pandemic. There are rumours that excess deaths have ended some time in Aug in the US. Ethical skeptic has also done estimation of true C-19 deaths but very complicated to follow

103007 Sarigan, 7, #859 of 1481 🔗

So masks in schools mandatory in local lockdown areas but not mandatory in schools but the advice not to wear them has been removed!? Clear as mud.

103008 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 16, #860 of 1481 🔗

https://www.facebook.com/borisjohnson/videos/pm-and-deputy-cmo-on-coronavirus/227850301597915/

Remember this Boris, when you were told about the dangers of wearing face masks?
Now you want to expose our children and grandchildren to those same dangers.

103079 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Margaret, 4, #861 of 1481 🔗

Harries on face masks – at 2:40 on this clip

103013 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 11, #862 of 1481 🔗

So it didn’t take the spineless tw** of a PM long to back down:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/25/face-masks-worn-schools-government-u-turn/

103031 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 12, #863 of 1481 🔗

He’s an utter coward.

103042 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 10, #864 of 1481 🔗

Completely lacking in any leadership qualities. A thoroughly despicable individual who needs to be rotting in a jail cell for the rest of his life. Execution would be letting him off lightly.

103040 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 10, #865 of 1481 🔗

More fool me. I wasn’t expecting him to cave in before tomorrow. And somehow I was clinging on to a faint hope he would hold the line (ridiculous, I know). Sickened. Our most vulnerable elderly have already been consigned to a living death in supermax care homes and now the writing is on the wall for our children. I fear and expect masks will now creep into the classroom and into primary schools – and why not when no justification is given or demanded for any of this.

103056 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #866 of 1481 🔗

A friend is thinking of issuing a school with somekind of acceptance of liability notice. In practical terms Would this be of any worth?

I’ve suggested asking for the schools risk assessment but clearly this is not similar to a notice informing of liability. Any thoughts would be helpful.

103093 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 2, #867 of 1481 🔗

Sorry Basics, I can’t help with this one, but there must be some posters with legal connections or a legal background who might have some thoughts. Knowing teenagers, and their lapses of concentration, I would be particularly concerned about them on stairs fiddling with their masks, in addition to the more obvious disease-related concerns.

103100 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #868 of 1481 🔗

Francis Hoar or Robin Tilbrook?
Talking of lawyers, I wasn’t aware that Simon Dolan has yet to get a court date for his appeal… wonder if he will actually ever get one?

103103 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #869 of 1481 🔗

Hygiene is a challenge for some anyway its heart breaking to think of the social difficulties this brings.
Uniforms are in part to stop elitism in schools – latest trainers etc. This mask thing rubbishes that – along wiyh every other good reason given for months now.

103113 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 5, #870 of 1481 🔗

Over on The Mail, one of the country’s top-rated headteachers, Katherine Birbalsingh, has laid into the policy along the lines you mention:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8663779/Secondary-pupils-wear-face-coverings-classrooms-local-area-goes-lockdown.html

Tory backbencher (ERG member) Marcus Fysh also slated it.

All to appease the 25% of middle class parents who are still scared to come out from behind the sofa!

103123 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #871 of 1481 🔗

And (judging from the balance of comments in the various broadsheets, compared and personal experience), the 25% who would crawl over broken glass rather than vote conservative anyway.

103271 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #872 of 1481 🔗

Thanks!

103156 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #873 of 1481 🔗

This Solicitor has been vocal in Ireland, plenty of good advice.

https://youtu.be/PWOq-enr9SE

There was an attempt to fund a legal challenge in the High Court the introduction of masks in Northern Ireland secondary schools tonight. They need 30k.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/legal-challenge-against-mandating-masks-in-school

Plenty of good advice on Facebook groups and they basically say if you want to fight as parent the easiest way is:

1. Write a letter to the school asking for the exact guidance and science they are basing the policy on.

2. Outline your own concerns regarding safety of masks. Ask for their risk assessments for the new uniform piece.

3. If they say they are only recommended then get it in writing that the school will not punish any child for not wearing one and will be vigilant for any anti mask shaming.

4. Tell them you do not consent to testing of your child without your presence under any circumstances

I suppose the next step is trying to find other like minded parents at the school and begin some strategies to deliver the kids from the madness.

What I don’t get is what is the bloody exit strategy? We’ve brought them in but what way is their success being actually tracked so we know if they’ve had the effect they say. I realise how ridiculous a question that is. But it’s about pressure in the right way so schools actually up their game and question the reality of our situation.

I am looking forward to mid September to see the lay of the land.

Hugs over masks people

103165 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #874 of 1481 🔗

“What is the bloody exit strategy?”

There has never been an exit strategy. We have a government of the blind leading the catatonic.

103189 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to matt, 2, #875 of 1481 🔗

The vaccine? Problem is, the Oxford team is a bit behind schedule and suspect the trials are running into side effect issues. Team Boris (Gates on the ticket) thought it would be ready in September.

103240 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #876 of 1481 🔗

Think that is likely true or true-ish – there were earlier rumours of mask being only until sometime in September and then the vaccine would be brought it..
It may be that the vaccine is ready, but they have realised that the voluntary take-up is likely to be low as it will be too obvious that not enough time for reasonable trials has elapsed, ie few will trust its safety. So they have decided to grind us down for longer, to increase the ‘desperation’ factor and also make it easier to make the vaccine mandatory.
I also wonder if they also need to make sure they have won against Simon Dolan – they can’t mandate a vaccine if Simon wins and proves that the government’s actions this far have been disproportionate to the risk..

103273 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #877 of 1481 🔗

Hugs and keep smiling

103114 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Basics, 2, #878 of 1481 🔗

I could get a friend to give an opinion under English law, but not Scottish. Francis Hoar (as Carrie suggests) also won’t be qualifies under a Scottish Law, but may be able to refer or get some help.

103265 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to matt, #879 of 1481 🔗

English law is relevant not Scottish. I shall check Francis Hoar. Don’t put your friend to any trouble matt thank you. I think there will be others looking into practical actions once the shock is past.

103378 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Basics, 6, #880 of 1481 🔗

My daughter starts her new school – public school, full boarding – in 2 weeks. I want to do similar but I don’t want make trouble for her as one of THOSE parents, when she has to live there for the next 5 years. But I feel very strongly about this. One might say I am incandescent with rage.

Would a letter asking to see a risk assessment be a non confrontational way of starting things rolling? I don’t know many of the other parents yet what with them being from all over the place and her being new and have no way of knowing how aligned my views are with the others.

I am specifically worried about the risk of trips/falls from the restricted vision, increased risk of bacterial and viral infection, skin problems, and social impacts.

103021 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 10, #881 of 1481 🔗

https://www.nber.org/papers/w27719.pdf

“FOUR STYLIZED FACTS ABOUT COVID-19” .
Don’t think the epidemiologist will like this analysis by NATIONAL BUREAU OF ECONOMIC RESEARCH,Atlanta

“We document four facts about the COVID-19 pandemic worldwide relevant for those studying the impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) on COVID-19 transmission.”
“when interpreted through a range of epidemiological models, these first three facts about the growth rate of COVID deaths imply that both the effective reproduction numbers and transmission rates of COVID-19 fell from widely dispersed initial levels and the effective reproduction number has hovered around one after the first 30 days of the epidemic virtually everywhere in the world. We argue that failing to account for these four stylized facts may result in overstating the importance of policy mandated NPIs for shaping the progression of this deadly pandemic.”
“Our findings in Fact 2 and Fact 3 further raise doubt about the importance in NPI’s (lockdown policies in particular) in accounting for the evolution of COVID-19 transmission rates over time and across locations”

 Very complicated mathematics.But interesting that these economists are directly questioning Fergussson et al on their own field.

103029 ▶▶ matt, replying to swedenborg, 2, #882 of 1481 🔗

Ferguson being, after all, a theoretical physicist (and presumably a failed one), not an epidemiologist.

103054 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, 5, #883 of 1481 🔗

What they’re quantifying is what is qualitatively obvious to anyone looking at the graphs of deaths in most countries: they follow the SIR model (which is the dynamics of herd immunity) as if the epidemics never got the memo about NPIs at all. Australia’s graph is what NPIs look like when they have an effect. Very bumpy.

I think it would be interesting to turn this problem around. Give all the death data that exists to a statistician and ask her to deduce from the data the dates of lockdowns, masks, school closures and other NPIs in all the different countries and when they were lifted. I think she would struggle to find a signal.

103270 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to guy153, 2, #884 of 1481 🔗

Like this? (Hospitalisations, not deaths)

103464 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to matt, 2, #885 of 1481 🔗

Yes 🙂 I see a dramatic exponential drop in hospitalizations around 11 July. Whatever we were doing on June 24 should obviously be made mandatory!

103025 NeverShallBeALockedDownSlave, 13, #886 of 1481 🔗

In regards to singing Rule Britannia, I think many people in Britain have lost the right to sing the line about never being slaves, what with so happily rolling over before the enforcers of the illegal lockdown and snitching on anyone who dared to do the right thing. Only us sceptics can sing that line really.

103028 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 8, #887 of 1481 🔗

I’d never looked into vaccine safety before all this sorry episode. I now have and there are serious questions to answer in my opinion.

For example, I wasn’t aware that in the US and the UK, the countries respective governments give manufacturers full indemnity against vaccine injury claims. The taxpayer picks up any damages claims. I also wasn’t aware that vaccines aren’t tested against placebo like other drugs. Most shocking to me is that there has been a massive increase in autism over the last 40 years and the authorities refuse to seriously look into it and a possible link with the increase in the number of vaccines being taken over the same period. This despite so many parents reporting that there autistic child only developed symptoms after they’d had a set of shots.

Sharyl Attkisson is an old fashioned non partisan ex CBS investigative journalist that I have a lot of time for. Her books are great. ‘The Smear’ in particular.

Her podcast this week covered the below and is definitely worth a listen.

Vaccines, autism and political fraud: One of the most important stories we’ve covered …because
1. Powerful people try to censor it
2. The media don’t report it accurately
3. It impacts almost everyone.

Link here:
https://sharylattkisson.com/2020/08/vaccines-autism-and-political-fraud-lifting-the-veil-podcast/

103058 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 7, #888 of 1481 🔗

I have had a passing interest in the vaccine issue for many years, but like you have been motivated to investigate further by the insane rush for the Covid-19 vaccine that is without precedent in medical history.

Of particular concern is the aggressiveness of government and media propaganda. This has even started alarm bells ringing in some people I know who are staunchly pro-vaccination. They can clearly see that a mandatory vaccination for the entire global population that is experimental and rushed is completely absurd.

103066 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Richard O, 12, #889 of 1481 🔗

I am in general pro vaccine, and my kids had additional ones not usually available outside London, such as TB. We were lucky that where we lived at the time there was a retired GP doing the separate jabs for measles, mumps and rubella, so we paid and went that route. In general, my view, and that of my husband, is the more the powers that be protest the more I doubt their sincerity. A rushed treatment or vaccine is rarely a good option for anyone except those benefitting financially from it. We have thalidomide, primodos, vaginal mesh and the blood transfusion scandal in recent living memory. I will be sitting this one out!

103076 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #890 of 1481 🔗

The trouble is sitting it out is likely to be difficult if coercion is used. Work, travelling and purchasing could be made difficult or impossible without a digital certificate of vaccination. The technology already exists, it is merely a matter of convincing enough people that this is the right thing to do. The spectacular success in terms of compliance with everything we have seen thusfar in 2020 indicates that this is exactly what will be attempted.

103099 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Richard O, 2, #891 of 1481 🔗

That is the nightmare. Whether you are for or against vaccines, that kind of tech will absolutely be used for all kinds of social coercion. Freedom for safety. If you are doing nothing wrong what ya gotta worry about? Here, take some Netflix and nextametahzone vaccine

103071 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Richard O, 2, #892 of 1481 🔗

There’s a precedent for the rush to a vaccine – Pandemrix for swine flu.

It ended in damage to children – and litigation.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2016-01-12/debates/16011278000004/SwineFluVaccinationCompensation

103082 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to BTLnewbie, 3, #893 of 1481 🔗

Thanks for the link. I was aware of the issues with this vaccine, but there was no discussion of it being mandatory for the global population, and it did not have the entire weight of government and media in lockstep behind it. This is the uniqueness of the Covid-19 situation.

103125 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Richard O, 2, #894 of 1481 🔗

https://youtu.be/NSPcuGjstN4

I would also recommend the Widowmaker. It’s not vaccine related but shows very well the way money and the profit motive directs medical innovations. A cheap, early intervention or treatment would not be pushed over something that creates a much larger market.

Stents vs diet changes for heart disease is the focus of this documentary

The more you look at it, keeping you on a steady stream of drugs and treatments is the modus operandi over cure.

103155 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #895 of 1481 🔗

The whole allopathic model of medical treatment is predicated on profit over healing. This has now been merged with big tech and politics to create the foundation of social governance for the rest of this century.

103172 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, 1, #896 of 1481 🔗

There’s an operating theatre somewhere in England (forget where) which has ‘for mercy, not for profit’ on the wall. Sadly no longer the way the health system works 🙁

103228 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Carrie, #897 of 1481 🔗

Edit: it is in London and the exact caption is ‘Miseratione non mercede’ – ‘we do for compassion, not pay’..

103743 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, #898 of 1481 🔗

intended social governance …

103095 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #899 of 1481 🔗

Current trend is one child in 40 autistic…

103441 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Carrie, #900 of 1481 🔗

In some parts of the US, its apparently nearer 1 in 20!

103442 ▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #901 of 1481 🔗

In boys that is.

103030 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 13, #902 of 1481 🔗

My neighbour has just messaged me with a video of Alan Jones with the message ‘just what you were saying’

My reply Yep, this is no longer about a virus, the killer virus has gone, it’s political and we are being manipulated and controlled by politicians and billionaires.

103251 ▶▶ Bella, replying to stefarm, 2, #903 of 1481 🔗

It was never about a virus Stefarm. Rise up-. Resist

103032 swedenborg, 4, #904 of 1481 🔗

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1298320538620669953/photo/1

Masks in Los Angeles Look at the C-19 curve. Garcetti is the Mayor

103034 Liam, replying to Liam, 16, #905 of 1481 🔗

On holiday down at the south coast. The site I stay at (single Dad with my kids) is usually lively to the point of joyous. Lots of families having a great time.

I can not describe how soulless, dystopian and lifeless the visit to the social club was last night. I’ve been near catatonic with depression all day. I just want to go home.

103045 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Liam, 8, #906 of 1481 🔗

We came home early from camping in the lakes last week for similar reasons.

103048 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #907 of 1481 🔗

At least in my Midlands local I can just walk in and do as I please.

103075 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Liam, 9, #908 of 1481 🔗

I’m holidaying in the usual place in Mid Wales that I normally come to each year. It is dead this year, pubs empty, went to one of them and no atmosphere, shops have no customers, took about half an hour to get served at ice cream shop as they only let one customer in at a time.

The experience I would say has been crap, and I probably won’t holiday next year if these restrictions are still in place as it’s not enjoyable.

103047 Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 14, #910 of 1481 🔗

Government U-Turn on Facemasks in schools. Boris has again fled in the face of ‘Pressure’ (media spin) and Sturgeon. Great. What a crap country we live in.

103050 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 4, #911 of 1481 🔗

They will argue it is not a U turn as not mandatory about from local lockdown areas. Parents and children still (for now) will have the choice and schools and teachers cannot mandate. Trying to appease all I guess.

103049 matt, replying to matt, 24, #912 of 1481 🔗

WHAT IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS HOLY IS GOING ON?????

103057 ▶▶ Liam, replying to matt, 14, #913 of 1481 🔗

Evil.

103059 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to matt, 11, #914 of 1481 🔗

Nothing holy about it Matt. I am not religious and have never really believed in evil (as a power) but there is nothing else that explains it,

103069 ▶▶ Richard, replying to matt, 15, #915 of 1481 🔗

Utter utter cu@ts – I can not believe I voted for these sub humans. Am furious – my daughter is going back to year 1 – have never thought so much about having to leave the country..

103245 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Richard, #916 of 1481 🔗

To go where though? This is global (apart from maybe Sweden)

103053 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #917 of 1481 🔗

No masks in schools petition still in need of our support on change.org. http://chng.it/vzhWKjtL6M

103060 ▶▶ matt, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #918 of 1481 🔗

Done

103089 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to matt, 1, #919 of 1481 🔗

Done, numbers seem to be steadily rising..

103062 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 13, #920 of 1481 🔗

So Bojo caved (again). This week it’s masks for secondary school pupils but just watch the pressure now switch to primary, then infant then day care. The zealots won’t be happy until babies are getting a nappy on both ends the minute the umbilical chord is cut.

103064 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 5, #921 of 1481 🔗

Masks for foetuses as soon as the head is a distinguishable feature.

103068 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 11, #922 of 1481 🔗

Less than 12 hours later and he caves in, what a shill.

103083 ▶▶ AMZ, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 8, #923 of 1481 🔗

I’m in despair. It’s a new nightmare every day. Who is running this country Boris or Nicola Sturgeon?!

103088 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to AMZ, 7, #924 of 1481 🔗

Its not sturgeon! This is not happening in anyway because of her. That is the political game she is playing this is going on at the advisor level. Don’t give sturgeon credit of power she simply does not have nor deserve.

Shes able to squeak out her decree faster that boris. The starting gun for these u turns came from WHO with a guidance change this weekend. From that point on it is political posturing.

103086 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #925 of 1481 🔗

This: https://www.bitchute.com/video/dZBALZTs996r/
seems very worrying – children return to school but with mandatory regular testing, leading to more cases then compulsory vaccination….

103110 ▶▶ Old Mum, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 13, #926 of 1481 🔗

My 14 yo won’t be wearing one – I don’t wear one – if there is an issue, I will keep him at home – so angry PM has caved again. Heard Jonathan Van Tam say this afternoon it won’t happen in England – why do they bother with interviews? As soon as they’re off air, it’s all changed!

103161 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Old Mum, 6, #927 of 1481 🔗

Good for you.

And if even Jonathan “don’t tear the pants out of it” van Tam is saying no, I think we can now be certain that the government is not following “the science” any more than they are following actual science.

103111 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #928 of 1481 🔗

Boris has left it up to head teachers, maybe they’ll say enough is enough!

103124 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #929 of 1481 🔗

Yeah right, they’ll be enforcing this asap

103130 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #930 of 1481 🔗

Many won’t be able to resist the pressure of the unions and terrified parents without backing from the top and others are just as incapable of assessing risk as most of the brainwashed. Going along with someone’s anxious beliefs and behaviours always reinforces them – appeasement is the thin end of the wedge.

103132 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #931 of 1481 🔗

Guess so as many of those against muzzles are saying their children wont be going to school.

103153 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #932 of 1481 🔗

What an absolute, pathetic plonker he is.

103067 Bart Simpson, 11, #933 of 1481 🔗

Went out to dinner last night with work colleagues from my bubble, ahem, gulag and initially we were given two separate tables for an initial booking consisting of 14 people. Two people have to pull out and we ended up with 12 instead.

We asked if we could combine the tables together given we were all in one bubble, ahem, gulag. However the manager refused and hemmed and hawwed the usual bollocks about “safety.” Then when the bill came, it became a farce as two separate bills arrived but our bill contained stuff that we didn’t order.

This goes to show how many shops, restaurants and other public places.are making stuff up as they go along or are over egging the pudding.

Today I received a phone call from the British Museum in response to my letter informing them of my intention to boycott and my previous run ins with their bag searchers. Got the usual spiel about “safety” and I realised that we were going round in circles so I asked the person I spoke to about what to do with the mandatory muzzling and if the staff are aware of the exemptions. He assured me that staff have been given thorough training about exemptions, not challenging unmuzzled visitors. I suggested that there should be signage throughout the musuem about exemptions and showing consideration as well as operating on the principle that if a visitor is not muzzled then the staff should work on the assumption that they are exempt and not approach them.

He agreed with both points and said that he would pass them on to the relevant department. Plus he also hoped that I would visit unmuzzled and give my feedback.

103070 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 25, #934 of 1481 🔗

We should have seen this coming

When a government allows public policy to be dictated by a half witted child from a foreign land; then nonsense like this will surely follow

103072 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Cecil B, 5, #935 of 1481 🔗

^^^^This^^^^^

103078 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 1, #936 of 1481 🔗

Exactly.

103105 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, #937 of 1481 🔗

And the alternative is what?

103141 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cecil B, 6, #938 of 1481 🔗

What a load of bollox.Our European friends are doing exactly the same as us.USA Canada Australia and New Zealand ditto.
I don’t see much independence in our government actions.

103158 ▶▶▶ PD, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #939 of 1481 🔗

There is no independence, it’s as if each nation is simultaneously herding their populace through fear and oppression.
Where to? Vaccine appears inevitable.
Side effects? Undoubtedly infertility, perhaps a quick death.

103168 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to PD, 4, #940 of 1481 🔗

And the herder is called Bill Gates…photographed with each of those leaders..

103170 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to PD, 1, #941 of 1481 🔗

No the vaccine will be a slow burner if it’s Ill effects are too apparent,then there will be too much resistance.

103174 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #942 of 1481 🔗

They’re probably getting better at it, after the law suits they’ve already had

103201 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #943 of 1481 🔗

I see a mixture of solutions depending on age group:

0-10: Puberty blocker + infertility + brain damage
10-20: Infertility + brain damage
20-50: Infertility + brain damage + cancer
50+: Death

The idea being to create a new slave class of genderless morons/cretins (see Wells’ Morlocks or Huxley’s Epsilon Class) who cannot reproduce that can serve the elites.

As in Brave New World, reproduction itself will be conducted entirely in vitro.

103220 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, 1, #944 of 1481 🔗

Sadly likely to be the plan – which means death for me 🙁

103227 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Carrie, 5, #945 of 1481 🔗

I will not be taking the vaccine, but I will be choosing death by my own hand as the very last resort if it comes to it.

103702 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, #946 of 1481 🔗

Chose by their hands, as you take a few with you.

103258 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #947 of 1481 🔗

Gulf War Syndrome was a slow burner. A decade or so. Serious suggestion and study has been made into conditions associated being hereditary. I do not know more.

103319 ▶▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to PD, 1, #948 of 1481 🔗

I suspect this vaccine if it ever emerges will be for the vulnerable – namely the elderly. Is fecundity a big problem in that age group? Gates is interested in population control, but like Greta his efforts are not for us but for the brown, poverty stricken multitude that don’t shop online. I think you’ll be safe, matey.

103180 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #949 of 1481 🔗

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103212 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #950 of 1481 🔗

This thread contains some interesting links if you scroll down below the first bit on NZ.. https://twitter.com/flyingtostarz/status/1297962105514020865

For example this on MSM (!) about the Bill Gates- Epstein connection https://twitter.com/Galadri09060100/status/1279925614112169984

and this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=IezFkHL5wRI&feature=emb_logo
The above one is about some suspicious stuff going on off the coast of NZ where apparently some bigwigs are hiding from prosecution..

103218 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Carrie, 2, #951 of 1481 🔗

Oh and this clip pf Jacinta Ardern for anyone who has not seen it before: https://twitter.com/QGermany2/status/1278237013918076931
Is this *really* a woman?!

103237 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Carrie, -1, #952 of 1481 🔗

Oh come on. That’s like all the videos that did the rounds claiming Michelle Obama was a bloke. Get real. Ever heard of editing or photo shop?

103418 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Bella, #953 of 1481 🔗

Michael is a bloke. A cock in a frock

103073 Basics, 4, #955 of 1481 🔗

A useful set of simple graohs

Crude mortality trends in Scotland stratified by causes of death.

Dementia is the highest cause during lockdown.

https://twitter.com/CoronaPogue/status/1297999328267636745?s=20

This thread is ended by a comment that 41% of reported Covid19 deaths in Scotland were untested. Citing figure 2 from this PDF -https://t.co/Kc6zCJzEhz?amp=1

103074 Richard, 18, #956 of 1481 🔗

On plus side – took my daughter to an indoor trampoline place today – we went a couple of weeks ago and a couple of the areas were still not there – basketball hoops and dodgeball didn’t have balls to use – today – properly busy and everything in use and no masks anywhere – you could look round the place and the world was normal !! It can be done and I hope slowly the tide will turn

103080 JohnB, 14, #957 of 1481 🔗

Boris folding faster than Superman on laundry day!

What a joke of a PM this guy is.

103084 annie, replying to annie, 17, #958 of 1481 🔗

Deliver us from evil.

103101 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 2, #959 of 1481 🔗

Maybe I should start reading the Book of Revelation.

103137 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #960 of 1481 🔗

Revelation 9:6 – “And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.”

103205 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Richard O, 2, #961 of 1481 🔗

Revelation 9:20 – “ The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.”

103253 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #962 of 1481 🔗

Basically if a man turns up and signs a peace treaty in the Middle East,lets the temple be rebuilt and makes everyone receive a mark so they can buy and sell then we are all in trouble.

103112 Norma McNormalface, 21, #963 of 1481 🔗

What is the point of even having a Prime Minister now? Might as well just decide everything using those Twitter polls where you click. This is basically what our government has become. I’m a parent. Where and when was my say on masks in schools? As of this morning, they were “not recommended”. Tonight they are. I’m too late. Did I miss the twenty minute window of “debate”? No, because there wasn’t one. Press says there is “mounting pressure”, which becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Government obviously just too lazy to look at facts and put together an argument. Again. This is beyond farcical now.

103117 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #964 of 1481 🔗

Watched an interesting You Tube vid from Brian Gerrish ( UK Column) about why this is all happening

103128 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dan Clarke, #965 of 1481 🔗

That’s nice for you, care to share?

103268 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dan Clarke, #967 of 1481 🔗

Thank you. Brian Gerrish is just awesome!

103122 Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 8, #968 of 1481 🔗

Sage minutes available on Simon Dolans Twitter.No sign of them ever advocating lockdown.Why is this not a major story

103142 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 9, #969 of 1481 🔗

Because 99% of the population wanted to be locked down, so no one cares.

103145 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to A. Contrarian, 18, #970 of 1481 🔗

99% of the population wanted to be locked down because the BBC told them they wanted to be locked down. So the BBC aren’t especially motivated to tell them they were wrong.

103147 ▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to A. Contrarian, 9, #971 of 1481 🔗

Based on my experience I think they do and will continue until they realise that their job is at risk.

London remains a ghost town.

Too many clearly view work as an option.

103310 ▶▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to hotrod, 2, #972 of 1481 🔗

I think you’ve nailed it on the head. People are just basically lazy. Besides most people’s jobs are pretty shit methinks and until the wolfs at the door they’ll shuffle on as they are before they go back.

103151 ▶▶ matt, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 13, #973 of 1481 🔗

The minutes have been available for months. Nobody cares. Why does nobody care? Nobody cares because either they were deeply invested in spinning the narrative to begin with and so they don’t want to be found out, or they’ve become so deeply invested in living the narrative that they don’t want to know they’ve been conned.

103162 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to matt, 4, #974 of 1481 🔗

I’d only seen them up to 18 March,thought there might have been something else in them but no.They do show that lockdown was a political decision and the buck stops with Boris.
We are no longer a serious country and probably deserve what is coming for us

103176 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #975 of 1481 🔗

The minutes post 18th came out a few weeks after the minutes to the 18th. There was certainly no “oh, that’s what happened” moment.

Boris panicked because twitter and the BBC told him to.

103164 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to matt, 2, #976 of 1481 🔗

What I want to see is the minutes of the new secret committee they set up when they were forced to reveal the SAGE notes. Can we use FOI to get those?

103311 ▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to matt, 6, #977 of 1481 🔗

Beautifully put. I’ve noticed that if you try to point out the now widely available evidence for the harm lockdown has caused or the foolishness of mask wearing by the asymptomatic or point them in the direction of actual data that they get very defensive. I have concluded that they don’t want to admit to having been duped. To accept that our government is SO bad, our health service is shot and some really bad people have been given way to much control is just too much for them to deal with. This is the case with most topics – religion, morality etc they just don’t want to know because it just may require that they have to change or actually do something. I mean most people can’t even be arsed to vote. Next time I’m in a ballot box my arse is definitely going to be involved.

103197 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #978 of 1481 🔗

Got link?

103213 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mark, #979 of 1481 🔗

Just search Simon Dolan on Twitter.Sorry don’t know how to link

103238 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #980 of 1481 🔗

No prob, I’m very unfamiliar with Twitter, is all.

Would like to see someone credible confirming that SAGE definitely never recommended lockdown, as this is something a friend raised. Frankly, life’s too short to trawl through all the minutes myself…

103248 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mark, #981 of 1481 🔗

I read them carefully up to March 18.One vague reference to locking down London,not followed up.Skimmed some of the ones closer to March 23.still no mention

103256 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Mark, 4, #982 of 1481 🔗

In summary, it’s mentioned but dismissed, almost in the same breath.

The question is, whether the minutes are so heavily redacted that the advice was removed (in which case, who could possibly benefit from that redaction?) or the government really made the decision independent of SAGE (in which case, why has nobody from SAGE ever said as much)?

103262 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to matt, #983 of 1481 🔗

I want to know who the SAGE people are whose did not give permission for their names to be released. Bill and Melinda?

103264 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Carrie, #984 of 1481 🔗

I suspect they probably had bigger governments to worry about.

103233 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Carrie, 1, #986 of 1481 🔗

Thanks, Carrie

103261 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mark, 1, #987 of 1481 🔗

You’re welcome 🙂

103331 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #988 of 1481 🔗

SAGE doesn’t have to explicitly recommend lockdown. They can simply create a case that makes lockdown the only possible option for a less-than-Churchillian prime minister to take.

103126 hotrod, replying to hotrod, 3, #989 of 1481 🔗

Cummings plan is simple.

He knows the virus has gone and the risk is dramatically lower.

So to reinforce the message that this is purely due to government intervention each step take can always be claimed as a success.

Easy win.

Laura is behind the scenes leading the BBC effort on behalf of her old mate.

In the meantime the virus withers and disappears.

The reckoning will come when the vaccine arrives.

103445 ▶▶ Will, replying to hotrod, 5, #990 of 1481 🔗

That is what has been going on since it became clear, in April, that the government had made complete fools of themselves following Ferguson’s ridiculous model. The virus has gone in this country but the government have to claim credit for “beating” the “hidden enemy”. Whether they can spin the whole business out and keep people fearful until the vaccine arrives is the question but I fancy the worm is turning towards scepticism and an increasing number of people realise the emperor hasn’t got any clothes on.

103131 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 10, #991 of 1481 🔗

Just saw this tweet:

Miguel de Sousa Pires
@miguel_says

People who defend wearing masks, are not defending wearing masks. They are merely trying to justify their own stupidity – and will go at great length to do so. It’s like smokers; “I know it is bad for me, but i smoke because i like it” Like it? You have been played! Admit it.

It made me think of the con job that is the art world where somebody will pay vast sums of money for a turd depending on it’s “back (side) story”.

If I paid £1M for a turd I’d definitely be going around telling everyone how great it was. Nobody wants to be the mug that paid £1M for a turd without a back story.

103150 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #992 of 1481 🔗

Yeah, it would probably win the next Turner Prize.

103450 ▶▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Laura Suckling, #993 of 1481 🔗

You mean ‘Turder Prize’

103309 ▶▶ Cruella, replying to Nobody2020, #994 of 1481 🔗

😄

103159 Dan Clarke, 2, #995 of 1481 🔗

All Common Purpose together

103160 richard riewer, 11, #996 of 1481 🔗

These people are no longer fools, they have become dangerous fools.

103163 Mark II, 18, #997 of 1481 🔗

Love how sturgeon likes to pretend she’s acting more coherently than the UK gov all the time, as if she has an actual plan.

Funny how none of these measures ever come with an actual target, you know, so that the population of her beloved Scotland knew what the fuck was going on. That no one in the media ever calls her on this, like,I dunno, ‘what are you hoping to achieve from mandating masks in schools’, ‘whats the target objective that you are aiming to meet so that you can remove this measure?’, ‘how long will this be in place?’ etc incredible how complicit the media are in this, and how lacking in credibility or skill they or their fucking science advisors who somehow escape even the most basic of scrutiny too.

Of course, I can say the same exact thing about our cretin Bojo but obviously we need to hear sturgeon answer these questions before he will know the answers.

103171 matt, replying to matt, 14, #998 of 1481 🔗

I forget who it is who has subscribed to the Mason Mills Patreon thingummyjig.

Whoever it is, answer me this, if he’s so sodding in the know and was predicting only 6 weeks of masks 3 or so weeks ago, how does he explain this? And if you’re able to ask him the question, can I suggest you do.

103178 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to matt, 2, #999 of 1481 🔗

Yes, I’d love to know the answer to that one too.

103195 ▶▶ Mark, replying to matt, #1000 of 1481 🔗
103208 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Mark, #1001 of 1481 🔗

Thought so. Wasn’t sure I’d remembered correctly.

103198 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to matt, 3, #1002 of 1481 🔗

Offlands I think. I’d be interested to know what MM is saying, as whoever he is, he seems to be ‘in the know’, so it would be informative to hear what new horrors we have to look forward to (!) and when, but whenever MM’s name is mentioned certain people here go bananas so I think that is why those who have subscribed to MM’s Patreon do not dare quote anything now. MM has taken down his Twitter completely now, it seems (he locked it a few weeks ago).

103209 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Carrie, #1003 of 1481 🔗

Not another MM bullshit thread again!

103216 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to JohnB, 2, #1004 of 1481 🔗

Settle. If you read my post, I think it’s clear it’s anti-MM bullshit. But I want to know the answer.

103242 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to matt, 1, #1005 of 1481 🔗

It’s obvious what this MM person has done, put out shit loads of tweets to a load of suckers who think he is DC. Now he’s just monetised it’s and all these suckers are paying as they think they have a direct line with DC. Absolutely pathetic!

103260 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to JohnB, 1, #1006 of 1481 🔗

I don’t think that many people believe he is DC..

I think people are desperate for information as things are very stressful, not knowing from one day to the next what the heck is going on. And the Brexit info MM gave out was actually accurate.

I think it is highly unethical to monetise it – don’t get me wrong – but I understand why some people would pay..though maybe only the lowest rate. The higher subscription rates are outrageous!

103269 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Carrie, 2, #1007 of 1481 🔗

“Brexit info MM gave out was actually accurate” – so we’re the comments sections on Russia Today which is why I made £2500 on a bet on Leave winning!

103277 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to JohnB, #1008 of 1481 🔗

As regards Brexit, I was referring to what went on in 2019, with all the shenanigans in Parliament, leading up to the election and for a while thereafter..

103293 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Carrie, #1009 of 1481 🔗

Who couldn’t see that? The only ones who couldn’t were those still believing what the MSM and FBPE loaded Social Media were telling them.

103223 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Carrie, #1010 of 1481 🔗

I can go out and ask my local tramp for you if you like, he spouts as much bullshit as MM and gets as much right as him!

103224 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to JohnB, #1011 of 1481 🔗

Ok tell me something MM has got wrong…

103230 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Carrie, #1012 of 1481 🔗

Ok give me access to MM’s full history of tweets and I’ll go through them and point out all the ones he’s got wrong.

103241 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to JohnB, 1, #1013 of 1481 🔗

Well, “masks would make a good Christmas present” sometime in the spring and “masks will be over in 6 weeks” shortly after they were mandated are certainly mutually exclusive, if nothing else. And “masks will be over in 6 weeks” a few weeks before they’re imposed on children in school would seem to suggest either 1) he doesn’t know what’s going on or 2) nobody including the policy makers knows what’s going on.

103254 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to matt, #1014 of 1481 🔗

I’m wondering if the plan was to remove masks when the Oxford vaccine was ready and September was mentioned.. However, I wonder if either the trials of the Oxford vaccine have not been going well, or they have realised that voluntary take up will be low, because people will not trust a rushed vaccine (no time for proper trials). So maybe they have changed the timescale?

103263 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Carrie, 1, #1015 of 1481 🔗

Or the vaccine has been ready all along and it was going to be deployed in September/October but there has been just enough push back to change the timeline.

103266 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Richard O, #1016 of 1481 🔗

Or the guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about, but got lucky a few times and has done his best to monetize his mystique while it lasts?

103279 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to matt, 1, #1017 of 1481 🔗

MM was clearly a fake account. This is general speculation. Wildly inaccurate I hope. But I take nothing off the table.

103283 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to matt, 1, #1018 of 1481 🔗

Just a scammer, sucking in idiots who need to be led and want to give him their money to lead them.

103284 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, 1, #1019 of 1481 🔗

Exactly. They need to wait till Simon Dolan loses his appeal, because if he wins, they can’t easily force the vaccine. The case hangs on the proportionality of the government’s action compared to the risk/danger from the vaccine.. No risk – no need for vaccine..

103281 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to matt, #1020 of 1481 🔗

So two predictions there and neither correct.

103250 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to JohnB, 1, #1021 of 1481 🔗

MM has deleted his Twitter account… But the only think I remember him getting wrong was Rebecca Long Bailey winning the Labour leadership and given that MM appears to have links to the government, that was not something anyone in the Tory party could have known or controlled..
You seem to think I am some kind of MM fan – I am not. But when there appears to be some way of getting leaked and seemingly accurate information, then we might as well use it..

103304 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Carrie, 1, #1022 of 1481 🔗

It’s not leaked information, it’s just political predictions. Go through all the comments since this site started and you’ll find she’s loads of correct predictions, way more than any MM has predicted.

I broke the news about houses having 45 infected people in them in Leicester when the city was locked down. I was shot down on here for that comment, but then the next day this was confirmed by a Tory MP on LBC. You don’t see me claiming to have inside information in Westminster!

103177 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 27, #1023 of 1481 🔗

Why do the government still think that facemasks will increase confidence? It didn’t work for public transport, it didn’t work for shops… so why on earth would it work for schools? They’ve spent the last few days assuring us that schools are perfectly safe – apparently so safe that children need to wear PPE, so why would that reassure the terrified parents?!

Rhetorical question, not expecting an answer…

103181 ▶▶ matt, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1024 of 1481 🔗

They don’t “think”.

103203 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to matt, 32, #1025 of 1481 🔗

If it’s safe to use public transport, why do we have to use masks on public transport?
If it’s not safe to use public transport, why does the government want us to get back to using transport?
If it’s safe to go to work (not using public transport) how can it be safe if we don’t have to wear masks at work?
If it’s safe to go to the shops, why do we have to wear masks in shops?
If it’s not safe to go to the shops, why is the government trying to tell us it’s safe to go to the shops?
If it’s not safe to go to the shops, why is it safe to go to a restaurant? Why is the government trying to bribe us to go to restaurants?
If it’s not safe, why is it safe to send my child to school?
If it’s safe to send my child to school, why does my child have to wear a mask to go to school?
If it’s not safe for 12 year olds to go to school without wearing masks, how can it be safe for my 10 year old to go to school without wearing a mask?

I give up presumably it would be possible to trot out this inanity and insanity forever.

They’re teaching us the basic skills of doublethink.

103219 ▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to matt, 7, #1026 of 1481 🔗

They work in shifts in No.10. Morning shift is too knackered to make decisions until they’ve had lunch. Afternoon shift have sugar rush after lunch and throw tantrums. They’re all nentally children.

103287 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to matt, 3, #1027 of 1481 🔗

I’m sure these very questions will be put to ministers by the MSM tomorrow, at the first opportunity.

103294 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1028 of 1481 🔗

I wish..

103295 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1029 of 1481 🔗

Live the Sky News advert says “we’re asking the hard questions.”

103346 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to matt, 6, #1030 of 1481 🔗

Why do you need to wear a mask in hospital when you have tested negative 3 days ago and have been in quarantine for those three days?

103184 ▶▶ Bella, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1031 of 1481 🔗

They don’t care

103187 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #1032 of 1481 🔗

They need to subdue the population for the control thing

103192 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1033 of 1481 🔗

Maybe in thrall to Professor Michie and pals who tell them people will feel safe if only they clamp down ever harder

103200 ▶▶ tonys, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1034 of 1481 🔗

It confirms in the public mind that they must have been lying when they said children were safe without masks,

103307 ▶▶ Cruella, replying to A. Contrarian, 20, #1035 of 1481 🔗

Bloody insane. Why does anyone outside of a hospital need to wear one?I’ve said this before but I’ll say it again. When I find myself looking after a patient with suspected or positive for c19 all I get and have ever got is a surgical mask and standard PPE. This is for prolonged, personal care giving. So if that’s deemed appropriate by PHE and the WHO what is it about a maths class or a visit to a shop that presents a similar risk? I also don’t touch my face and I wash my hands very frequently as I’m trained to unlike every TD and H I see in the street. And just so you know, if you didn’t already- a surgical mask should be changed frequently, like your gloves and apron as it’s contaminated. How often do you see someone with a wet patch and a filthy edge marching proudly along. It’s disgusting!

103308 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cruella, 5, #1036 of 1481 🔗

Why does anyone inside a hospital other than surgeons in theatre need to wear one? A couple of years ago I had an oral operation performed under local anaesthetic and no one was wearing a mask.

103314 ▶▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to Richard O, 7, #1037 of 1481 🔗

They don’t really, for all the past winters where influenza has been raging we never have. Only for AGPs obviously. In my hospital all surgeons have been allowed to choose if they wear full PPE or standard stuff. Many have chosen to return to normal, as they were struggling with hypoxia wearing that shit for 9 hours straight. I still have to wear one at all times though. I explain only to illustrate that the inconsistency is also occurring in HC too. I just meant if they’re “safe” to wear up close to a actively symptomatic person why are they needed in the classroom?

103352 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1038 of 1481 🔗

So safe that my County Council have declared that social distancing will not be required on school buses.

103191 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 27, #1039 of 1481 🔗

Prof Susan Michie, a member of the Sage sub group on behaviours (SPI-B), said she was in favour of masks at secondary school, if it was carefully managed.

But she said: “It does seem on this, as with many things, that the Government is on the back foot.”

“The problem about face masks is that if people fiddle with them, it can make things worse.”

She needs to get out to the shops and watch the average mask-wearing idiot for 5 minutes or so. As we all know they fiddle with them all the time. She’s basically entirely demolished the case for mask-wearing by the general public, whether under 12 or not.

103214 ▶▶ Liam, replying to A. Contrarian, 6, #1040 of 1481 🔗

She’s a communist, an open admirer of Lenin.

103324 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Liam, 13, #1041 of 1481 🔗

A hater of free speech, democracy and individual liberty. A Far Left extremist welcomed into the very heart and bosom of government. A mask maniac who shouldn’t be let anywhere near our education system.

103246 ▶▶ Basics, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #1042 of 1481 🔗

Psycho logist is she. In favour of mask wearing. Isn’t it her job to look at behaviours and how to nudge them without us noticing? Not to clang about in medical interventions she has no professional authority to comment upon. Will she be tslking bioweapons next week?

There are experimental psychologists and then there is this wandering off specialism.

“Her current research includes developing methodologies for designing and evaluating theory-based interventions to change behaviour, and advancing scientific knowledge about, and applications of, behaviour change interventions. She leads the Human Behaviour-Change Project funded by the Wellcome Trust.”

Gladly change your behaviour michie – what arrogance you have to conspire with other to change mine.

Seeth is not the word.

103350 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1043 of 1481 🔗

From what I remember of school, teachers demanding that pupils wear masks will come back to bite them right on the arse.
Some will try every which way to circumvent the rules and in all the lower year groups will be Mask Snatcher gangs picking on the girls and sissy boys.

103366 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 5, #1044 of 1481 🔗

I’m all in favour of these ‘teachers’ being bitten on the arse, or anywhere else that’s available.

103365 ▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1045 of 1481 🔗

If the kids keep taking them off and putting them back on, that is fiddling. And they are TOLD to do it all the time.

103207 Winston Smith, replying to Winston Smith, 5, #1046 of 1481 🔗

Boris wants to emulate Winston Churchill?

At this rate he will be the next Spencer Perceval!

103222 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Winston Smith, 9, #1047 of 1481 🔗

Frank Spencer may be more accurate..

103326 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Winston Smith, 8, #1048 of 1481 🔗

Mention was made of Boris’s hubristic wish to emulate Winston Churchill. A prize for how the real Winston would describe what’s been going on were he with us. Here’s my entry:

“A virus of uncertain provenance and dubious lethality has rendered prostrate the whole of Western Civilisation. How are enemies must smile. How our friends must despair. It is time, in all frankness, that we rediscovered the ancient virtues of fortitude and forebearance. “

103363 ▶▶ annie, replying to Winston Smith, 3, #1049 of 1481 🔗

Assassination is too good for him.

103368 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Winston Smith, 2, #1050 of 1481 🔗

The only way he resembles Churchill is his general shape. His attitudes are more those of Chamberlain.

103449 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Andrew Fish, #1051 of 1481 🔗

Or Anthony Eden.

103430 ▶▶ Will, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #1052 of 1481 🔗

Winston the nodding fucking dog, “ Oooh yes Nicola”!!!

103221 mhcp, 2, #1053 of 1481 🔗

Well you don’t get to see this many sharks jumped in one season. But we live in interesting times

103225 Basics, 1, #1054 of 1481 🔗
103229 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 12, #1055 of 1481 🔗

Surely somebody’s granny must have died because of one of these people…

Eat Out to Help Out discount used 64m times in three weeks
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53911505

103259 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #1056 of 1481 🔗

None, as it’s so polite that it will not bother to disturb you when you are eating or drinking in a public place.

103429 ▶▶ Will, replying to Nobody2020, #1057 of 1481 🔗

And no one died….

103234 NickR, 8, #1058 of 1481 🔗

Vote Boris get Nicola!

103235 Liam, replying to Liam, 10, #1059 of 1481 🔗

Being a history nut, this is a propaganda onslaught comparable to Barbarossa. Sooner or later, there must be a counter attack at the gates of Moscow.

*Calling Marshall Zhukov*

103247 ▶▶ matt, replying to Liam, 4, #1060 of 1481 🔗

Being a history nut, I was thinking “what’s Moscow and Zhukov got to do with a medieval Holy Roman Emperor?”

I got there in the end.

103252 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to matt, 1, #1061 of 1481 🔗

I missed the word ”Operation”.

103323 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Liam, 15, #1062 of 1481 🔗

If we were to follow this analogy, it looks like the Panzers are going to be in Vladivostok by the spring the way things are going….why isn’t there a single MP prepared to stand up for our children’s education, our cancer patients, our care home elderly, our jobs, our cultural life, our pubs and our sport? Democracy has ground to a halt. There is only one party now: the Virtue Signalling Party.

Time we got a new Citzens Party that will reverse maskist-lockdownism, defend our culture and push back the PC barbarians.

103367 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Liam, 2, #1063 of 1481 🔗

Kursk presumably being boris’ Battle of The Bulge?

103239 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 26, #1064 of 1481 🔗

Another day another punch in the guts. How much more can we take? Never said anything like this and meant it but this time I genuinely do. I wish Boris had never made it out of that hospital.

103255 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Achilles, 20, #1065 of 1481 🔗

I’m not convinced he was actually in hospital. At the time I thought he might be being made an offer he couldn’t refuse. Given all that’s followed since his ‘recovery’ I believe he sold us all out.

103257 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Achilles, 15, #1066 of 1481 🔗

The nature of that episode will need to be closely examined if we ever get to a tribunal.

Something very serious happened to him, no question. He can barely string a coherent sentence together and is rarely seen in public. But was it Covid-19?

103291 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, 2, #1067 of 1481 🔗

Maybe he was vaccinated with something while in hospital?

103285 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Achilles, 8, #1068 of 1481 🔗

Don’t call him Boris, please! He’s a complete shit

103369 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bella, 2, #1069 of 1481 🔗

‘Boris the Shit’ has a certain pithy ring to it.

103381 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bella, 3, #1070 of 1481 🔗

Yes, we mustn’t call him Boris anymore.

103403 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Bella, #1071 of 1481 🔗

Bellend Boris

103347 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Achilles, 3, #1072 of 1481 🔗

apparently he’s been down in not so sunny Devon denying that he’s about to resign, that rarely ends well.

103362 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 3, #1073 of 1481 🔗

Anything Boris denies happens almost immediately.
But what will we get instead?

103364 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, #1074 of 1481 🔗

Duplicate post soz

103382 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to karenovirus, 4, #1075 of 1481 🔗

Good job I haven’t seen the bastard down here.

103249 Liam, replying to Liam, 35, #1076 of 1481 🔗

I feel an indescribable, murderous hatred of our political class. I regard them as the scum of the Earth. Somewhere a hundred million miles lower than them are the media.

103318 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Liam, 13, #1077 of 1481 🔗

And even further below them are the PC virtue signalling billionaire hypocrites.,,eventually I guess you get to those many academics who have abandoned the pursuit of truth in favour of wish fulfilment.

103272 hotrod, replying to hotrod, 3, #1078 of 1481 🔗

I wonder…..

A key stats website having technical difficulties???

You know the one that shows the numbers of daily hospitalisations and deaths.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

One hopes this really is just a technical issue.

103274 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to hotrod, 6, #1079 of 1481 🔗

Error – divide by zero cases

103275 Jim, replying to Jim, 13, #1081 of 1481 🔗

Sturgeon! You’re a dick head!!! Masks for kids? Disgusting!!

103345 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jim, 2, #1082 of 1481 🔗

According to my Chambers 20C dictionary
‘To Wear” = 1 ‘to be dressed in’,

= 2 ‘TO CARRY ON THE BODY’

And, to my surprise ‘to edge, guide, conduct, as sheep into a fold (Scot):
To tolerate, accept, or believe’.

What a very interesting word for just four letters providing much opportunity for the mischievously minded.

103289 petgor, 14, #1083 of 1481 🔗

Back to the real discussion. The teachers hate the Tories, so why give them a raise?why allow them 100% of salary during lockdown? Why allow the frankie woman the pleasure of knowing that we are following her mask idea? Why are we in this bloody mess and will the madness ever stop. Rhetorical question because of course this madness will go on for years and meanwhile the illegal immigrants continue to arrive in increasing numbers.

103298 matt, replying to matt, 9, #1084 of 1481 🔗

I’m going to bed in a second (and not before time, I hear you say). But before I go:

In a post I can’t find anymore, someone (sorry, can’t remember who – it’s very late and I may possibly have been self-medicating with some very nice beer) pointed out that some pro-lockdown outlet was saying that the current ‘flu deaths were “with” ‘flu, not “of” ‘flu. The poster also made the very sensible point that we’ve been saying this about Covid since there was Covid. But…

Surely, this also isn’t the point. If all or any of these things we’re doing to stop people catching SARS2 work, then where in the hell are these people catching ‘flu?

And with that, goodnight.

103299 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to matt, 4, #1085 of 1481 🔗

Going to be nosocomial places again isn’t it, the same as COVID-19.

103387 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to DavidC, #1087 of 1481 🔗

That’s the one. Point stands though – they still caught it, even if it didn’t kill them.

103623 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to matt, #1088 of 1481 🔗

That was me. Yeah came across their attempt at debunking yesterday in fullfact.org. It’s a sign for me that the reality is now piercing through the forced narrative. They are tying themselves in knots trying to maintain it. Using arguments which only contradict an earlier position. Reduce the number of flu deaths with your ‘of flu’ and ‘with flu’ debunking, you do the same WITH COVID-19. And guess what, flu still wins

103301 Basics, 1, #1089 of 1481 🔗
103320 OKUK, 13, #1090 of 1481 🔗

The Conservatives don’t deserve to survive. Newsnight tonight, yet another Conservative MP letting Wark clop-clop all over him while she doles out easy-peasy questions to the SNP rep. If they had any guts they would complain on air and remind the Newsnight team of their proven bias.

103321 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 18, #1091 of 1481 🔗

The government doesn’t follow the science, it follows the Sturgeon. Truly pathetic, but they created this climate of fear and panic, and so have only themselves to blame.

103534 ▶▶ kf99, replying to OKUK, 1, #1092 of 1481 🔗

And the only response from opposition is “We want more restrictions”

103322 Basics, replying to Basics, 10, #1093 of 1481 🔗

At a time when the BBC has become a clear disgrace to Great Britain it is also good to remember the Covid19 propaganda work the BBC brand* is doing over seas.

BBC Media Action*

“Communication to counter the COVID-19 ‘info-demic’

“Rumours, mis- and dis-information about the new coronavirus COVID-19, including false cures and how the disease is spread, have been described as an ‘info-demic’ by the WHO Director-General. They can be as harmful as the virus itself.

“In six countries in Asia (Bangladesh, India, Cambodia, Myanmar, Nepal and Indonesia) BBC Media Action teams are creating clear, fact-based social media content, and running smaller community outreach initiatives to combat mis- and dis-information and the stigma of infection.

“Trust matters

“This work draws on our long experience of dispelling rumours and combatting mis-information in other major epidemics and disease outbreaks, such as Ebola, and reflects our commitment to supporting the global response to COVID-19. It is critical to help audiences engage with accurate information they will trust, believe and share.”

Project information
Project name: Countering COVID-19 info-demic
Funders: H2H Network (backfunder DFID and hosted by Danish Refugee Council)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/where-we-work/asia/bangladesh/H2H-covid-19

Here’s the link to BBC Media Action funders. Gates Foundation at £2.2 million – those BBC designers chopped bill and melinda for lack of space.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/about/funding

Note – The financial information on this page has been taken from the Annual Report & Accounts for the year to 31 March 2018.

*BBC Media Action uses the brand of ‘our’ BBC but is a seperate legal entity. They say of themselves:

“BBC Media Action was founded in 1999 by the BBC as its international development charity. We apply the editorial standards of the BBC, build on its values and often work closely with the BBC World Service and other BBC departments. However, we are legally and financially independent and work to a distinct mission. Originally known as BBC World Service Trust we changed our name to BBC Media Action in December 2011.

“As an independent charity, we are not funded by the BBC licence fee. Our work is made possible thanks to the support of our generous donors – governments, foundations, corporations and individuals”

One trustee is Executive Director for External Relations at the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change (TBI), another Senior Strategist for global Public Policy at Twitter.

According to https://unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/revealed-bbc-charity-receives-millions-in-funding-from-gates-foundation/
Half of BBC Media Action’s £39 million budget goes on salaries.

According to Wiki BBC Media Action employs 832 people. In 2015/16 had expenses of £44m with revenues of £45.3m

103328 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Basics, 5, #1094 of 1481 🔗

You couldn’t make it up!

103344 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 2, #1095 of 1481 🔗

This is the BBC that had to send its staff on courses training them that is not good practice to lie to your customers (viewers)?

103355 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Basics, 3, #1096 of 1481 🔗

Appalling. I never considered the international angle of brand BBC. Heads surely must roll within the organisation? Stick them on ‘the list’.

103357 ▶▶ Nicky, replying to Basics, 2, #1097 of 1481 🔗

And funded by the British tax payer

103361 ▶▶ annie, replying to Basics, 3, #1098 of 1481 🔗

Trust matters.
So the BBC does everything it can to make itself unworthy of any human being’s trust.

103420 ▶▶ smurfs, replying to Basics, 2, #1099 of 1481 🔗

Communication to counter the COVID-19 ‘info-demic’

…more like a scam-demic

103338 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1100 of 1481 🔗

This is Money: Proof that Covid cowardice is killing a nation of shopkeepers.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-8663457/Proof-Covid-cowardice-killing-nation-shopkeepers.html

103342 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1101 of 1481 🔗

My part of the small city where I live used to be a town in it’s own right. I like living here because its high street is devoid of chain stores and boutiques of which I have no need. There is a large Co Op and small Tesco but the other 60-70 shops are all independent offering a wide range of goods and services to locals rather than commuters as in your linked article.

While the city centre is perhaps busier than usual with all those people scared to go to work or working from home my high street is looking sad and tired.
I really don’t know why this is but it certainly was not like this before lockdown.

103354 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to karenovirus, 5, #1102 of 1481 🔗

I guess each town has its own tale to tell. The fact that ours had/has a lot of mixed food, DIY and hardware shops eg B&M, Wilko, Home Bargains – made it a magnet for shoppers during deepest, darkest lockdown. It’s also full of pubs so as soon as they opened, they filled too. There is a general air of belligerence towards the virus restrictions here however the shops by-and-large remain the domain of nappy-wearers.

103438 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1103 of 1481 🔗

People aren’t scared to go out for half price food though.

Maybe people think they’re less likely to die or catch the virus sitting and eating than from window shopping.

103587 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1104 of 1481 🔗

Excellent article and its very spot on as it pretty much verifies what I’ve been seeing with regards to my forays into Central London.

As for my local area, the high street died a long time ago and I seriously doubt that there will be something to replace it.

103343 Eddie, replying to Eddie, 28, #1105 of 1481 🔗

This morning I had to take my beloved girl cat into the vet to be put to sleep. Everyone but me was wearing masks and thankfully nobody asked me to put one on. Masks aren’t mandatory but golly the take up has sure increased in the past couple of weeks…very sad to see. I didn’t mind everyone seeing me crying and blubbering on the way out either. RIP Miki (meow!)

103358 ▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Eddie, 7, #1106 of 1481 🔗

Sorry for your loss 😒

103359 ▶▶ Nicky, replying to Eddie, 7, #1107 of 1481 🔗

So sorry. One of the hardest decisions to have to make and so sad when it happens 😞

103360 ▶▶ annie, replying to Eddie, 7, #1108 of 1481 🔗

So sorry. Remember Miki had a happy life and she had you.

103374 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Eddie, 5, #1109 of 1481 🔗

I still remember having to do the same, many years ago. My sympathies to you Eddie.

103432 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Eddie, 5, #1110 of 1481 🔗

It always hurts. Hugs to you.

103625 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Eddie, 2, #1111 of 1481 🔗

I’m so sorry for your loss. They take a piece of our hearts with them.

103349 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 13, #1112 of 1481 🔗

https://off-guardian.org/2020/08/24/covid-seen-afar/

Worth reading.

Visited my local beauty salon yesterday, where they are struggling to adapt to the latest mask impositions and ban on all facial procedures.

If the restrictions aren’t lifted soon, when the furlough payments end, the owner fears that she might not be able to keep her business afloat.

She’s managing at present but only with a 3 day week and reduced staffing.

This salon has been operating successfully for 20 years, but now, the ‘new normal’ threatens its future prospects.

I’ve just arranged a one off private dental check up, scale and polish and X ray at a cost of £80, as NHS procedures still suspended!

Despite all standard NHS dental procedures having been suspended in March, the PPE deemed essential to prevent infection/fatalities has still not been supplied.

Meanwhile, the well paid Holyrood Heidbangers continue to convince the congregation of believers that ‘all is for the best, in the best of all possible worlds’.

What ,precisely, do Sturgeon and co plan to do when furlough ends and businesses go bust?

When our teeth fall out, when thousands face redundancy, when the high streets become ever dirtier and emptier?

O, silly me! Indyref 2 will take us into the promised land!

103407 ▶▶ Guirme, replying to wendyk, 4, #1113 of 1481 🔗

Lucky you – only £80. I lost a filling in March and at long last have been seen by the dentist. I was told that they weren’t allowed to do fillings but if I paid them magically it would be allowed; cost £150! I need my tooth fixed so I have chosen to pay but my anger at Sturgeon and her incompetent cronies knows no bounds.

103423 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Guirme, 3, #1114 of 1481 🔗

Fortunately, I don’t seem to need any fillings at present,which is why I’ve opted to have the private check up. I’m hoping that no decay will be discovered.

The crown which fell off 2 months ago was replaced free of charge, last week,as no drilling required, but even the routine mouth washes are now on the verboten list.

I’ve just done a submission to the APPG-(thanks to Toby for the link)-to decry the lamentable state of Scottish dentistry and the utter incompetence which has reduced dentistry to a pre-war state.

103356 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #1116 of 1481 🔗

The most stupid headline in History

August heatwave fuels rise in deaths, as Covid-19 fatalities fall to lowest level since before lockdown

Deaths involving coronavirus have been steadily falling

By

Laura Donnelly,

HEALTH EDITOR Daily Telegraph

103370 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #1117 of 1481 🔗

Have I missed something or are you suggesting the headline should have been

“Covid fatalities fall to lowest level since lockdown ! ! REJOICE”

103371 Nicky, 23, #1118 of 1481 🔗

Had to spend a half hour teams session yesterday with H&S lead from our head office going through 15 page risk assessment and instructions how to ‘police’ our floor in the building where I work, with maximum nos of staff to be allowed back in at any one time, and max nos in each office, rota system for staff to book hot desks, no personal belongings allowed, new ‘Covid baskets’ for each desk with hand sanitizer, wipes etc. being sent out. Trouble is, don’t think they realised another company shares an office in our part of the floor. Seriously thought the manager was going to have a panic attack when it was pointed out! Have worked all through this madness without personal risk. No known ‘cases’ locally that I have heard. Most of the building I work in is still empty with other companies working from home. On this basis can’t see anything getting back to ‘old normal’ any time soon, if ever, and seeing shops in local high st still closed and footfall evidently down feels so sad and unnecessary. We are being destroyed from within and people are going along with this??

103372 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 27, #1119 of 1481 🔗

My wife told me that the state of Idaho voted today to end the emergency orders, which eliminates all covid regulations and restrictions in the state.

Praying for the dominoes to start falling as people notice that Idaho is totally fine.

(My family lives there… Nice to have a place to escape to!)

103375 ▶▶ annie, replying to RyanM, 14, #1120 of 1481 🔗

Even to hear such news is a breath of fresh air, thanks for posting!

103404 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to RyanM, 5, #1121 of 1481 🔗

Your ‘Private Idaho’?

103446 ▶▶ Fiat, replying to RyanM, 4, #1122 of 1481 🔗

Go Idaho!

103536 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to RyanM, 5, #1123 of 1481 🔗

Seriously considering leaving the UK for the first time in my life. I feel sick to my stomach at what we’ve become. I’ll make a note of Idaho.

103592 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to NonCompliant, 3, #1124 of 1481 🔗

same here.

103373 Steve Martindale, 19, #1125 of 1481 🔗

Boris Johnson is allegedly a fan of USA President Roosevelt, the man who stood up and told America ‘you have nothing to fear but fear itself’. Well Boris Johnson ‘shame on you’ the decision on face masks in schools is a pathetic, craven, whimpering, miserable and spineless decision. You are not worthy to tie up the bootlaces of Roosevelt or your other hero Churchill. Nicola Sturgeon opts for face masks in schools and because she is like the fierce matron at your posh school you hang onto her skirt hem like a whimpering child and do what she does.

Sorry about that, just had to get it off my chest! The decision on face masks in schools is the latest descent into the 9 circles of hell and madness. And the labour party say it is not enough and want more and the Green Party want zero Covid, is there no opposition to all this lunacy?

With Covid 19 disease/death now at a low level the one thing underpinning this crazy circus is testing. In my view this now needs a concerted effort against testing. The current testing system needs an urgent review, there is an assumption that we all know what these test results mean but at this stage that is far from being the case. Do we really know what these tests results are telling us? Have we examined these tests to determine how fit and appropriate they are for use in determining public health policy? We have made too many assumptions about these tests and it is costing us dear.
Having said that, in my view, given low Covid 19 disease/deaths, there is a strong case for ending the whole testing process. We do not routinely carry out summer time testing for flu or chickenpox but they probably kill more children than Covid 19? As far as we can I think we need to be challenging this testing process although I am not sure anybody is listening?

103376 annie, replying to annie, 5, #1126 of 1481 🔗

Terry Pratchett’s Discworld terrorised by scare stories about witches:

” I think my favourite one was that witches went to sea in eggshells in order to drown honest sailors.’ At this point Miss Smith held up a hand. ‘No, don’t say that it would be impossible for even a small witch to get inside an eggshell without crushing it, because that is what we in the craft would call a logical argument and therefore no one who wanted to believe that witches sank ships would pay any attention to it.”

Wintersmith

103377 ▶▶ annie, replying to annie, 2, #1127 of 1481 🔗

Sorry, correction, quote is from I shall wear midnight.

103472 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, #1128 of 1481 🔗

Never been a fan of Terry Pratchett but used to buy his to send to a mate in prison.

103617 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1129 of 1481 🔗

Was he a first mate? Did he claim
he was fitted up for causing the sinking of his ship, but his defence of “witches in eggshells did it” wasn’t believed by the jury?

103380 Tommo, replying to Tommo, 9, #1130 of 1481 🔗

Haven’t felt politically so angry for a long, long time because of this face mask nonsense. But need to keep positive and just saw a story on BBC Sport that 1000 fans could be allowed to watch Celtic game this weekend. This is a small – but positive step. The more people start participating in society, the more they will see that everyone else is fine and they are not about to die. Fingers crossed Sturgen doesn’t torpedo the plan.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53913896

103386 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Tommo, 3, #1131 of 1481 🔗

By then we’d be wearing eye coverings so they can attend but no watch Celtic.

103390 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tommo, 10, #1132 of 1481 🔗

The schools mask nonsense might bring the whole lockdown edifice crashing down.
The kids will hate it, they know Covid does not affect them and they are not averse to protest.
Imagine the effects of a few classes sent home for boycotting masks.

103391 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to karenovirus, 6, #1133 of 1481 🔗

Sadly the kids seem to be very compliant with all of this so I think they will just go along with it.

103439 ▶▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to HelzBelz, 7, #1134 of 1481 🔗

HB – you are, I regret, correct. For some it is now a fashion accessory.

103462 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fiat, 2, #1135 of 1481 🔗

Real
“Oh I like your mask ”
‘ do you? I got it in lidLS, only cost a quid’.

Other masks are available inc. Burberry, from £90.00

103481 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 6, #1136 of 1481 🔗

You can get them free by picking up used ones off the streets.

103392 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to karenovirus, 7, #1137 of 1481 🔗

Yes, I think you might be correct. But every time there’s some new crazy edict I think the same – and it never happens.

Nevertheless, I welcome all Johnson’s new announcements, as each one is another nail in his coffin.

103402 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to karenovirus, 6, #1138 of 1481 🔗

Kids protest only when instructed to do so by their teachers and given an official day off school to do so. Actually that’s not quite true – but any protest contrary to narrative is hushed up very effectively even within school. For example, in 2015 there were whole class sit-ins during mock elections to protest against the absence of UKIP from the ballot paper. I was in a school in which it happened. I doubt even most of the staff were aware. Imagine if the same thing had happened for climate change, or BLM.

103466 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ovis, #1139 of 1481 🔗

Like biker says things might have changed since my days at school. Staff fought to keep the status quo, introducing anything new created uproar.

103410 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to karenovirus, 10, #1140 of 1481 🔗

Problem is social stigmatism within the schools. I was discussing masks in schools/colleges with my stepdaughter and her friend yesterday. when I informed them that they had the power to exempt themselves, her friend simply said, ‘I’m not going to be the only one in class not wearing a mask.’

Important note – de Piffle, in typical abdication of responsibility, has given the authority for mandating masks in schools to headteachers outside of local lockdown areas. So they key here is for us to target heads in our area and persuade them that masking up is not in the best interests of their pupils.

103467 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #1141 of 1481 🔗

They are not yet to be used in class but see how she feels after wearing one throughout double maths.

103412 ▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to karenovirus, 9, #1142 of 1481 🔗

Not wearing a mask at break time will be like smoking behind the sheds. Something for rebels.

103433 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to karenovirus, 7, #1143 of 1481 🔗

Maybe you’ve no kids at school and don’t know but i’ve bad news for you, most kids are even dumber than their parents. The plan wasn’t to dumb down people from the 70’s onwards but make the kids smarter. The plan was to turn us all into mindless drones and unfortunately the kids of today have the backbone of a fucking broiler chicken ,the common sense of a Spaniel and the individualism of a school of fish. They’ve destroyed young people to the point where most of them don’t know if they’re a boy or a lady. Don’t hold out hope for young people just accept we live in a sci-fi future where those of us who had a classical education are dying off and are being replaced by people who’s main concern is, well nothing, they have no concerns, they just go where they’re told, say what they’re told and do what they’re told.

103457 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 3, #1144 of 1481 🔗

No I don’t have children but I only see others out and about wearing masks when with their mums, when in groups with their peers they do not.
One mum complained to me that her 11year old spent lockdown glued to his xbox but now spends all his time in the skateboard where, for some unknown reason, she has to accompany him.

103683 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, #1145 of 1481 🔗

xbox bad. skateboards excellent. That’s a huge positive progression.

103563 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Biker, 3, #1146 of 1481 🔗

Just another brick in the wall. We don’t need no mind control.

103406 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tommo, 11, #1147 of 1481 🔗

Again those in charge are playing a very clever game.

Give us some freedom i.e. back to school as it is having a negative effect on mental health, education and family units but…………you have to wear a mask, same as shopping

Give with 1 hand take back with the other 10 fold. Complete slight of hand.

The masses are lapping it up as people have been brainwashed and ground down.

103468 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stefarm, 3, #1148 of 1481 🔗

Playing divide and rule with kids having to be more masky in areas with stupid local lockdown.
London next.

103653 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, #1149 of 1481 🔗

If that b’stard Kahn has anything to do with it!

103426 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Tommo, 7, #1150 of 1481 🔗

no one should go under these circumstances. The 1000 fans should go stand outside the shitty Scottish talking shop fake parliament and protest. Sturgeon needs to fuck off. Just because people vote for this clown don’t mean she can destroy our lives to keep us safe. Personally i don’t give two fucks who dies from this virus. We all gotta go sometime and if you’re not ready to go today, right fucking now, you’re not living. These people are scared shitless of life. They’ve never lived a day free of terror. We’ve an old saying here in Pictland, “they’re scared of the day they never saw”.

103515 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Biker, 3, #1151 of 1481 🔗

Remember Robert De Niro in Heat: “Don’t let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner.”

always thought that applies to life in general.

103383 stefarm, 5, #1152 of 1481 🔗

Antonio banderas (the actor who hasn’t done anything decent for…….Shrek maybe) reckons he has had it and has had to isolate for 3 weeks.

Allegedly caught it on his birthday, hmm someone else who has caught it on his birthday.

I suppose birthdays will be banned next. The most intelligent virus known to man, AKA the birthday killer.

Shit, it’s my birthday tomorrow. Nice knowing you all. Na night.

103384 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 10, #1153 of 1481 🔗

Good to see Greta Thunberg back in school in mask free Sweden.
Did you ever think you’d see the day when Sweden would be Public Enemy Number One for the Guardianistas?
“Social Democrat” is now “far right” in the eyes of the Guardian.

103394 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #1154 of 1481 🔗

I thought he/she is 17?? Bit old for school?

103424 ▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to stefarm, 2, #1155 of 1481 🔗

Yes but she’s missed a few years.

103656 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #1156 of 1481 🔗

St Greta was photographed wearing a disposable mask around her chin. I wonder what she did with it?

Surely she wouldn’t have thrown it in the bin? That would show a callous disregard for the environment.

103385 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 15, #1157 of 1481 🔗

It you get a chance watch Dan Wootton from Talk Radio interview Denise Welch on YouTube

Title “Denise Welch I am not prepared to listen to the mainstream media narrative on coronavirus”

It should be a real eye opener

103388 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 33, #1158 of 1481 🔗

The virus is over, gone, kaput.

It is a political virus now which is more dangerous than the actual problem. Enough is enough.

Society cannot continue to sit in silence and be treated like lab rats or pawns in a very dangerous game. Sadly I don’t have all the answers but any defiance of masks, social distancing or accepting arbitrary pointless rules has to be refused and ignored regardless of any confrontation or argument.

103398 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to stefarm, 12, #1159 of 1481 🔗

I am standing shoulder to shoulder with you, maskless.

103401 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Winston Smith, 9, #1160 of 1481 🔗

Welcome aboard

To quote my favourite football team again.

No one likes us, we don’t care!!!

103628 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to stefarm, 1, #1161 of 1481 🔗

Miiiiiiiiiillllllllllllll….Nice to see a fellow Lions supporter on here..Wish there was more of us

103663 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Thomas_E, #1162 of 1481 🔗

Yes, good for you guys. My only Milwall-supporting mate sent us a selfie back in March/April, in his Millwall FC Mask. 🙁

103742 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to JohnB, #1163 of 1481 🔗

Seen these masks, disgusting still when they let the crowd in and the masked up supporters start throwing bricks at the police…..

103741 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Thomas_E, #1164 of 1481 🔗

Millwall supporters or Millwall supporting sceptics??

103419 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Winston Smith, 5, #1165 of 1481 🔗

i’m standing with you two but since i hate everyone i’m doing it on my own.

103448 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 2, #1166 of 1481 🔗

I’ll stand with you at a safe distance.

103459 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to karenovirus, #1167 of 1481 🔗

two meters behind like a good muslim woman

103480 ▶▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Biker, 1, #1168 of 1481 🔗

So you are social distancing then… 🙂

103397 hotrod, replying to hotrod, 2, #1169 of 1481 🔗

My god, no wonder the sheeple are happy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53894998

103400 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to hotrod, 8, #1170 of 1481 🔗

It’s not a healthy attitude, is it… Tuesday is our usual day to eat out, so we’ve ended up doing “eat out to help out” by default, but I’ve made a point of putting the money saved in the tip jar. Unlike Danielle, we will still continue to eat out when the scheme ends – for us it’s about supporting the restaurants we care about, not just getting cheap food.

103413 ▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to Andrew Fish, 3, #1171 of 1481 🔗

But it’s the same attitude to not going to work. It’s been seen as a long free holiday.
People are so thick that they don’t understand that one day it has to be paid for.
And the sheeple will vote for Sunak because he has underwritten their “free lunch”.

Much in the same way the Thatcher won favour with the same type when councils houses were sold off cheap.

Greed and sponging.

103417 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to hotrod, 11, #1172 of 1481 🔗

oh dear, another buffoon who knows fuck all about Mrs Thatcher and publicly shows their idiocy. I’ll make it simple for you, she sold off the council houses because governments shouldn’t be renting homes and most importantly everyone who bought one got property, everyone needs their own property. Why should my taxes from my pocket subsidies other peoples housing when they can just buy a house? Why does every single lefty always want me to pay for every one of their dumb ideas, without exception? It’s like they’re brain damaged and don’t understand that every single idea they have makes government bigger and people poorer. It’s all so very disappointing

103437 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Biker, 5, #1173 of 1481 🔗

More accurately, council house sales had already been going on for some time before 1979 (they started in 1964), but some left-leaning councils had deliberately put obstacles in the way to prevent people being able to do it. Margaret Thatcher’s actions were simply to pass legislation which removed those obstacles.

103451 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Andrew Fish, 2, #1174 of 1481 🔗

And now we pay vastly more in housing benefit to parasitical landlords than council housing ever cost.In fact, I’m pretty sure that rents covered costs.

103455 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Ossettian, 3, #1175 of 1481 🔗

we shouldn’t be paying anyones rent, ever. People renting out their homes aren’t “parasites” but people calling those renting our their property “ parasitical landlords” are absolute cunts, like you.

103475 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John Smith, replying to Biker, -1, #1176 of 1481 🔗

What a fkn dickhead lol

… “Biker” … ? … “Wanker” more like.

104036 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to John Smith, #1177 of 1481 🔗

i’m sure that makes sense but i wouldn’t put money on it

103474 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Ossettian, 1, #1178 of 1481 🔗

In terms of the cost, a lot of that is down to house price inflation – rents tend to follow house values – which is down to a number of factors such as population growth, limited growth in housing stock and (in the 70s and 80s) inflation in the wider economy. However, the proportion of people living in rented property is significantly lower (something like a third of people lived in council housing at its peak), and arguably it costs less to support pensioners when they don’t have to pay rent. Whether that means it costs more or less in real terms now than back in the day I couldn’t say.

I’m not against the idea of subsidised council properties in principle, but I find it hard to believe that a third of the population needs that support. For key workers in expensive areas, certainly, but if social mobility was functioning properly then this would be a temporary state and most people would ultimately own their own homes.

103555 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Biker, 1, #1179 of 1481 🔗

Yet these leftie MPs and politicians are all multi-millionaires with huge pensions, back handlers from Unions, and own many homes! Do as I say not as I do.

103541 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to hotrod, 2, #1180 of 1481 🔗

This is spot on. If there has been 64 million meals and each has saved £10, then that’s already added £640 million on the public debt. How many billions will this end up costing when it is finally paid off?

103570 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to JohnB, 2, #1181 of 1481 🔗

It’s a question of how many of those meals would have happened without the subsidy and how many restaurants would have gone bust without them. I honestly don’t know the answer to that one, but a proportion of restaurants may well have gone under without the support and the unemployment benefits could have outweighed the subsidy. I don’t imagine we’ll ever know.

Obviously, the ideal would have been that the restaurants stayed open in the first place and that we didn’t have the social distancing measures that limit how many customers they can serve.

103576 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Andrew Fish, 2, #1182 of 1481 🔗

£640 million works out roughly equivalent to the unemployment benefits for six months for 330,000 people – about half the number of people employed in the restaurant sector in the UK – so it comes down to how many of those people would have ended up out of work and for how long.

103435 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Andrew Fish, 2, #1183 of 1481 🔗

Hasn’t altered my eating out at all, still go to the same places but it’s been nice only paying 50%.
I was going to try the recently reopened Premier Inn, waitress service, but decided to stick with the independent cafe which opened as soon as it was allowed to.
Last day Monday ?

103440 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to karenovirus, #1184 of 1481 🔗

I’ve had email from a couple of restaurants who are continuing the scheme at their own expense in September. And one of our haunts is thinking of doing it in November (their quietest month).

103531 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1185 of 1481 🔗

Not really really paying 50% though. All that money is paid back to the restaurant and goes onto the national debt, so if you save £40 then that figure will more than likely be in the hundreds or thousands of pounds once it is paid off with all the interest it has accrued.

Don’t come complaining when taxes are increased or public services cut!

103568 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JohnB, #1186 of 1481 🔗

I take your point but I will be long by the time that part of the national debt is paid off probably by your grandchildren.

103415 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to hotrod, 2, #1187 of 1481 🔗

Interesting that, for the first person, they state her occupation as a student. For the second – the one who says he has saved so much money in lockdown – they don’t. I wonder why that is? Could he perhaps be a civil servant? It is a very curious omission.

103443 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to WhyNow, 1, #1188 of 1481 🔗

Apparently on the national scale bank balances have been increasing during lockdown.
A chap who knows about such things told me some very nice cars are being bought courtesy of the Chancellors various schemes.

103520 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1189 of 1481 🔗

It is the same here in Ireland – €5bn increase in household deposits between April and June. I will admit to being part of that – I am saving €2,500 – €3,000 a month since lockdown started due to reduced outlets to spend money.

103465 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to hotrod, 2, #1190 of 1481 🔗

Why didn’t they interview any families that are having to rely on food banks?

103523 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to hotrod, 6, #1191 of 1481 🔗

I went to my local farm shop yesterday afternoon to pick up a keg of beer. I got there and the car park must’ve had 100 cars in it, I have never seen it so busy! The place has a cafe/restaurant and it was mobbed. It’s quite amazing how selective people can be when it comes to being terrified ain’t it?

I didn’t bother with a mask and when I walked in the person I saw was the bloody owner !! He didn’t say anything and I just walked in, grabbed the keg and then went to the tills. Who was on the tills? The owner !!!!
Thankfully I didn’t get my marching orders and paid with cash. He was all chipper and friendly too!

103399 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #1192 of 1481 🔗

I wonder how long it will take before a teacher or member of school staff is attacked for trying to enforce masks? Did the unions consider that?

103408 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PoshPanic, 11, #1193 of 1481 🔗

I don’t think the unions ever thought that through. Or what about if a child faints or heaven forbid dies on campus while wearing a mask, wonder if the teachers and unions thought about being sued.

103414 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #1194 of 1481 🔗

don’t expect sense from teachers or unions you’re a teacher because you can’t do much and you’re in a union because you’re retarded. I keep telling people lefties are pure evil and don’t care about you or your kids. All lefties are evil. We’re not hiding the reasons why, they have no excuse for their evil actions. So it must mean despite evidence they won’t listen and will force their communism on you any way they want. And they’re the ones calling us libertarians evil, when i don’t want anything from anyone.

103454 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Biker, 4, #1195 of 1481 🔗

Bit of a generalisation. I’m sure some (possibly most) teachers joined the profession because they wanted to help the next generation. Some didn’t, certainly – it was ever thus – but I wouldn’t generalise it to all.

As to union membership, whilst closed shops are no longer legal, I wouldn’t be surprised to find people in public sector roles are pressured into signing up. Any teachers on here with enlightenment in this regard?

103631 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Andrew Fish, 1, #1196 of 1481 🔗

Sensible to join for the legal cover. As is being clearly demonstrated, there are some nutjob parents out there.

103715 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Cheezilla, #1197 of 1481 🔗

Can you opt out of the strikes, though? Back in the 1970s my dad worked in unionised companies which operated as closed shops. Because he was as stubborn as I am, however, he told them he’d only join the union if he was exempted from taking strike action.

103456 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Biker, 8, #1198 of 1481 🔗

Yeah, education is seen as a bit of a doss by some. Easy life, nice long holidays, they’re the ones that pull the system down. I spoken to a some staff & teachers who are anything but happy with all these measures. A lot of them have continued working throughout ( one having no holiday this year so far ), to put all the bullshit measures in place. All they care about are the kids that don’t get the chances. Two sides to the coin.

103411 ▶▶ BecJT, replying to PoshPanic, 10, #1199 of 1481 🔗

Key to all this is Risk Assessments (cannot be risk assessed on risk of transmission, only the actual, evidenced risk, and has to be balanced with other risks, the HSE template is not lawful) and Equality Impact Assessments (Public Sector Equality Duty) and all parents should ask to see them. Us for Them are now taking legal advice.

103477 ▶▶▶ Liberty B, replying to BecJT, 2, #1200 of 1481 🔗

My daughters’ private school have made masks mandatory on the minibuses, in corridors, in the dining room and other places where ‘social distancing’ not possible. They say their lawyers told them to follow WHO guidelines. Does UsForThem have a view on which guidelines should be followed re: risk assessment legal cover?

103489 ▶▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Liberty B, 4, #1201 of 1481 🔗

Thanks Lberty B. My daughter is also at a private school, and we received similar information yesterday. I suspect that it was a combination of a few hysterical parents pressurising them and possibly the insurance factor as you say. I am planning on writing a letter today expressing my extreme displeasure and to request the findings of the risk assessment which gave rise to the decision and also query as to why we, the parents, were not consulted before such a clearly controversial decision was made. If anybody can help with good suggestions as to how to purse this most effectively, they will be gratefully received. I will post the letter I write on here for others to plagiarise or use, or bin!, as they see fit. My son is at a state school so any letters or ideas on how to approach the matter in the state sector in the light of yesterday’s announcement gratefully received. Toby is very well versed in how to deal with the education establishment, maybe he can help if we write to him directly?

103502 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liberty B, replying to Chris Hume, 7, #1202 of 1481 🔗

Thanks for getting back to me. I wrote a letter quoting from the guidance issued by UK Chief Medical Officers last weekend. Total waste of time as they are following WHO guidelines! Why do WHO guidelines trump the advice of our nation’s medical officers?! My husband spoke to them on the phone yesterday and I have a call with them later today. They said they are keeping it under constant review. I’m going to ask for a copy of their risk assessment. If there’s one thing this pandemic has taught me it’s don’t bother waiting for common sense to prevail. If you don’t push back you just end up with another oppression forced on you.

103512 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Liberty B, 2, #1203 of 1481 🔗

Thanks Liberty. I will avoid quoting the CMO then!

104382 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Chris Hume, #1204 of 1481 🔗

Watching closely. In the same boat.

103492 ▶▶▶▶ Jenny, replying to Liberty B, 2, #1205 of 1481 🔗

I would write to UsForThem – my son’s private school have said masks can be worn if pupils want but no obligation, anywhere.

103557 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Liberty B, 2, #1206 of 1481 🔗

My County Council announced no social distancing required on school buses.

103633 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, #1207 of 1481 🔗

Short of buses!

103640 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Liberty B, #1208 of 1481 🔗

In the dining room?!

103425 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PoshPanic, -1, #1209 of 1481 🔗

And will you join them on the barricades if they protest outside school ?

103461 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to karenovirus, 5, #1210 of 1481 🔗

The only protest I’d join, is get back the old normal

103473 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #1211 of 1481 🔗

I’ll see you on the barricade.

103460 ▶▶ Will, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #1212 of 1481 🔗

The unions would be delighted, better still if a teacher is murdered. Anything to get at the Tories and sod the collateral damage.

103463 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to PoshPanic, 18, #1213 of 1481 🔗

A child refuses to wear a mask. What happens then? Suspension? Detention? Isolation?
A parent refuses to send their child to school with a supply of masks. What happens then? A fine? Punish the child?
A parent refuses to send a child to school full stop because of mask wearing. What happens then? A fine? Eventual imprisonment for refusing?

Yet again, another off the cuff decision made by public schoolboys and girls who have no idea of the consequences of their actions for us peasants.

103405 Rick, 6, #1214 of 1481 🔗

New song for the week:

I saw a rat!
Where?
There in No 10.
Where in No10?
Right there!
A fat rat with flip flops on
Well I despair!
Going flip flipperdy flop on the stairs…

103409 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #1215 of 1481 🔗

Good morning fellow sceptics. I want to keep highlighting the no masks in primary and secondary schools petition http://chng.it/vzhWKjtL6M .
There have been almost 1000 new signatures since the announcement last night about masks compulsory in secondary schools in lockdown areas and at the head teacher’s discretion everywhere. This is surely a slippery slope, just like every other erosion of rationality and threat to normal human life. Let’s take every opportunity to register our opposition!

103422 ▶▶ Nicky, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1216 of 1481 🔗

Done

103452 ▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1217 of 1481 🔗

Done and shared.

103491 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Charlie Blue, #1218 of 1481 🔗

done

103421 Ethelred the Unready, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 10, #1219 of 1481 🔗

Wonder what new trick Sturgeon will teach her scruffy puppy next?

103444 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 6, #1220 of 1481 🔗

How to lick his arsehole and balls.

103447 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 3, #1221 of 1481 🔗

Eat his own shit?

103470 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 7, #1222 of 1481 🔗

Does that already.
Hers too, probably.

103436 Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, #1223 of 1481 🔗

Sign the petition now! http://chng.it/bPVM6FByQR

103453 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, #1224 of 1481 🔗

Signed

103458 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, #1225 of 1481 🔗

Done!

103517 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 1, #1226 of 1481 🔗

I’m sure that same petition was over 13K last night. I just clicked on it to see how it was going and it’s now showing 11k !
I could be wrong but I was thinking it might have broke 15K by this morning before I went to bed last night.
I hope there are multiple ones running in parallel !

103469 AN other lockdown sceptic, 13, #1227 of 1481 🔗

‘The Silent Majority II – Not So Silent Anymore
Protests against covid restrictions, mask mandates and child abuse. A compilation of protests from 13-23 August. The silent majority isn’t silent anymore, it’s becoming a loud majority. Cities all over the world are protesting against restrictions of the corona-virus. From Brazil to Spain, from South-Korea to Argentina and from New Zealand to the USA.’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXesbdGz1AU

103471 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 12, #1228 of 1481 🔗

Manaus: Amazonian city with no lockdown may have reached herd immunity

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/manaus-amazonian-city-with-no-lockdown-may-have-reached-herd-immunity-hmvnzm9xh

Behind paywall but headlines:

“An unexplained sharp fall in Covid-19 cases and deaths in the Brazilian city of Manaus has led experts to consider whether a form of herd immunity has been achieved in the Amazonian capital.

Manaus was once a symbol of the threat that the virus might pose to the developing world. Drone images of mass graves caused alarm around the world four months ago as Covid-19 ravaged the city and burials were running at five times their normal rate.

Yet last week, despite no formal lockdown having been imposed, and tests suggesting only 20 per cent of its population has been infected by the disease, “excess deaths” were listed at close to zero. The city’s field hospital has been closed for a lack of patients.“

Firstly, it is not unexplained. It is the usual lifecycle of a virus. Secondly, they go on to say that a heavy price has been paid with 3,300 deaths in a population of 2,000,000. That makes a CFR of 0.165%. The IFR is undoubtedly lower.

Is this not an excellent case study in quite an isolated city? The Diamond Princess on a larger scale.

103487 ▶▶ Sally, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1229 of 1481 🔗

The CFR is deaths as a proportion of cases, not the population, and the IFR is deaths as a proportion of infections. The article says that 20% of the population has been infected, which would give an IFR of 0.825% (for a population of two million). That seems high compared with other places.

103503 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sally, #1230 of 1481 🔗

Sorry my bad on the CFR, hadn’t finished my coffee. They say 20% infected but I would expect that to be far higher in reality so I would also expect the IFR to be lower.

103526 ▶▶▶▶ Sally, replying to Sarigan, #1231 of 1481 🔗

Agreed!

103549 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Sarigan, #1232 of 1481 🔗

Much depends upon which serological test they use and also at what time the data was collected in the pandemic.It could be much higher. Iquitos in Peru,Amazon region, has a 70% sero positive rate

103476 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 4, #1233 of 1481 🔗

According to the radio only pupils in Schools under local lockdown should be encouraged to wear face masks…….

Any comments if this is correct?

If true all the more reason to not get tested.

103486 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to stefarm, 11, #1234 of 1481 🔗

It is true apparently. Another u turn by the government. This is so troubling on many levels. Firstly, we don’t have leaders we have followers influenced by others in power and by minority public opinion. Secondly, don’t parents know that there is a minimal risk for children? Thirdly, the government cites evidence but never produces it. Fourthly, and worryingly, they say it will only in schools in local lockdown areas so this shows that this local lockdown policy is here to stay, even though it doesn’t work. This means that throughout winter the whole country will be in limbo, not knowing whether or not an area will go into lockdown. I’m in the north west and we’re now four weeks into the local lockdown and it was totally unnecessary. We must resist.

103497 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to stefarm, 4, #1235 of 1481 🔗

True right this second, but surely just the beginning. Head teacher’s now have discretion and many are embracing this – head of the very large Oasis academy trust has already gleefully confirmed masks in all their schools.

103516 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #1236 of 1481 🔗

I saw the director of the whole group in an interview and he basically said they will make masks part of the uniform in all their schools

103501 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to stefarm, 4, #1237 of 1481 🔗

Too true. Tests are likely fake. Remember someone posting here recently how their other half had sent a test in, unused and it came back positive? Watch : https://brandnewtube.com/watch/david-icke-fake-tests-fake-cases-shutdown-business-economic-crash_HBlIc1to7HzKRu5.html

103518 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Suzyv, 12, #1238 of 1481 🔗

Everything about this is fake.

Fake virus
Fake tests
Fake data
Fake science
Fake experts
Fake scientists
Fake government
Fake guidance

103641 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stefarm, #1239 of 1481 🔗

I’ve long thought of that.

103649 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Suzyv, #1240 of 1481 🔗

If I remember correctly, someone did like Tanzania by testing a grapefruit which also came back positive.

103627 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, #1241 of 1481 🔗

Face masks will only be mandatory in schools located within local lockdown areas, Gavin Williamson has stressed, after the Government performed yet another U-turn overnight.
Despite ministers and officials repeatedly ruling out the need for face coverings over the past 72 hours, thousands of children across England will be required to wear them in communal areas such as corridors and libraries when they return to school next week. (DT)

103647 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1242 of 1481 🔗

It’s not long ago that anyone with a brain would have fallen about laughing at the idea of Gavin Williamson parading in his short trousers pretending to do a serious job of any sort.

“How the country lost it’s brains” will be the story.

… come to that, who would have guessed, even against a pretty low bar, that a Toad – known only for buffoonery, narcissism,, laziness and wasting public money – would be elected PM

103636 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to stefarm, 1, #1243 of 1481 🔗

So is the wee krankie having a laugh at Boris’ expense? She just waits until he jumps on the bandwagon, and then says she didn’t mean it quite the way it came out? Perhaps she’s cleverer than we thought ….

103478 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 23, #1244 of 1481 🔗

In my opinion the facemask decision has to be seen in context, and is an irrelevance.

At the moment everyone is having a party. Don’t go to work, that’s ok, we will pay your wages. Want some free money, fine here is 30k, don’t bother paying it back.

Half price meals on us, fill your boots. Don’t want to pay your mortgage, or credit card bill, not a problem it’s covered

October: No job, tough. House repossessed, not our problem. Banks gone bust and your savings (including the 30k we gave you) gone. Oh well there you go

Stagflation, get on with it.

Tax revenue income slashed, not our fault. Huge public sector job losses, sign of the times. Not enough money for food, you should have thought of that.

Dying from undiagnosed cancer, not good but be grateful we saved you from the flu

Only one priority at the moment and that is to get the summer rioting season out of the way

103505 ▶▶ Norma McNormalface, replying to Cecil B, 10, #1245 of 1481 🔗

Yeah, that was one of main bones of contention about the left being so complacent. Them: We’re saving lives and protecting the NHS. Me: This is costing lives ….and the NHS is supposed to protect US.

Do they really think anyone is going to take care of them when this blows over? Surely this is all going to handed back to us, and all the free money clawed back. And still it drags on!

103482 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1246 of 1481 🔗

Strange change of stance by the CDC (I am in favour though):

Updated CDC guidelines now say people exposed to coronavirus may not need to be tested

Here’s what it says now: “If you have been in close contact (within 6 feet) of a person with a COVID-19 infection for at least 15 minutes but do not have symptoms, you do not necessarily need a test unless you are a vulnerable individual or your health care provider or State or local public health officials recommend you take one.”
Those who don’t have Covid-19 symptoms and haven’t been in close contact with someone with a known infection do not need a test, the updated guidelines say.
“Not everyone needs to be tested,” the agency’s website says. “If you do get tested, you should self-quarantine/isolate at home pending test results and follow the advice of your health care provider or a public health professional.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/26/health/cdc-guidelines-coronavirus-testing/index.html

103510 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1247 of 1481 🔗

Could be good, unless the aim is to boost positive test cases, to make it seem worse than it is. Depends if they / the media keep reporting all cases as though they are serious.

103539 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1248 of 1481 🔗

It might be the first step to stop masstesting in the US response.China doesn’t seem to count asymptomatic cases anymore as confirmed cases.Many have been surprised by these new guidelines and many suspect there are changes coming hopefully in the right direction.

103483 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1249 of 1481 🔗

Spain Between 1s July-25th Aug 173 665 cases 561 deaths CFR=0,32 %
That is a 56 days period

I choose a period with the day with first cases over 100 and 0 deaths and 56 days forward(the main part of the peak)

Spain between 3rd March-28th April 210 659 cases 23 822 deaths CFR= 11,3 %

The excess mortality in Spain was over 22nd May

https://www.isciii.es/QueHacemos/Servicios/VigilanciaSaludPublicaRENAVE/EnfermedadesTransmisibles/MoMo/Documents/informesMoMo2020/MoMo_Situacion%20a%2013%20de%20julio_CNE.pdf

The current CFR seems to be very similar for the IFR. Difficult to see a clear second wave with these figures.

103509 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to swedenborg, 10, #1250 of 1481 🔗

No use trying to apply logic any more. It’s obvious there’s an alterior motive behind all of this nonsense.

103511 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to swedenborg, #1251 of 1481 🔗

I was going to ask what CFR and IFR stood for – but I think I’ve discovered the answer. Case Fatality Rate and Infected Fatality Rate

103528 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1252 of 1481 🔗

Case Fatality Rate (i.e. what proportion of people presenting as ill end up dying) and Infection Fatality Rate (i.e. what proportion of people infected with the virus end up dying).

The former will always be higher than the latter, as your chances of death are higher if you’re sick, than if you’re not. All being a bit muddied at the moment by the insistence on referring to every positive test as a “case”

As for SRE – no idea!

103551 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to matt, #1253 of 1481 🔗

Much thanks for your reply.

SRE stands for Sacred Roman Empire – i.e the Holy Roman Empire. The official Latin name was: Imperium Romanum Sacrum. I spent the best part of yesterday surfing the net to nail this down. A great diversion from Covid!

103556 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #1254 of 1481 🔗

Then there’s SPQR, which translates as ‘Luton FC’.

103558 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Guirme, replying to Sam Vimes, #1255 of 1481 🔗

Senatus populusque romanus!

103571 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Guirme, 3, #1256 of 1481 🔗

What’s this thing? “ROMANES EUNT DOMUS”? “People called Romanes they go the house?”
Brian:
It… it says “Romans go home”.
Centurion:
No it doesn’t. What’s Latin for “Roman”?

103584 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to tonyspurs, #1257 of 1481 🔗

Luton for the cup!

103629 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1258 of 1481 🔗

There you go. Only ever seen it as HRE, but you learn something new every day!

103679 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to matt, #1259 of 1481 🔗

Just to be pedantic – I’ve only come across one chappy using those initials: John Joseph.Dillon or Sir J.J.Dillon Knt. and Baron S.RE. as he liked to put on the title of his publications. He died in 1837 – his titles were granted to his grandfather. As you say HRE were the usual initials. This is going off on a tangent!

103681 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1260 of 1481 🔗

Arsenal!

103484 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 1, #1261 of 1481 🔗

MSM reporting that BMJ study shows that 2m social distancing should be changed to 8m.

This study has not bee peer reviewed and their are no responses to the study either. The below shows this study is far from definitive and really doesn’t confirm any risk:

“Only two of the airborne sampling studies directly measured whether SARS-CoV-2 in the samples remained infectious, rather than just analysing for the presence of viral RNA.1821 No viable virus was found in either, though one found signs of viral ability to replicate.18 Of note, no study found viable virus on surface swabs.

These studies were small, observational, and heterogeneous in terms of setting, participants, sample collection, and handling methods. They were prone to recall bias (few people can accurately recall how close they came to others when asked to remember some time later). Overall, these studies seem to support the possibility of airborne spread of SARS-CoV-2, but they do not confirm that there is a risk of disease transmission.”

103494 ▶▶ Basics, replying to JohnB, 8, #1262 of 1481 🔗

Operation to keep people thankful for 2 metres?

103498 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to JohnB, 6, #1263 of 1481 🔗

Saw that, they suggested 8m for high risk venues like nightclubs!! Beyond a joke.

103506 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JohnB, 6, #1264 of 1481 🔗

Whatever happened to the assertion that risk of transmission only kicked in after 15 mins in close proximity? That was the whole basis of the tracking apps that never materialized (thankfully).

103545 ▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1265 of 1481 🔗

Exactly, & therefore antisocial distancing & masks didn’t need to be used.
It makes my brain hurt!!

103530 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to JohnB, 4, #1266 of 1481 🔗

This cannot be a surprise that airborne transmission cannot be excluded. Bad news for mask fanatics. The below link for a rather convincing example of airborne transmission with the caveat from China

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.03.20167395v1

If I remember correctly one of the disappointing results from the Salisbury common cold investigation was that the only way to avoid common cold was 8 m distance and we can’t think that Bill Gates’s vaccine will change that.

103554 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, 2, #1267 of 1481 🔗

So, a load of bollox then?
How does such rubbish get into print? And who funded it??

103485 Geraint, 22, #1268 of 1481 🔗

Sorry the only way I can sometimes come to terms with this lockdown insanity is by trying to be humorous:

There once was a country of fools
Who lapped up the government’s rules
In bedwetting awe
They cried out for more
‘Please keep us so safe in our schools’

This mass hysteria…it’s pathetic and depressing

103488 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 9, #1269 of 1481 🔗

It seems fairly obvious that the government makes it up as they go along. Parents are anxious about their children going back to school (or some are). Solution:-

a) in certain areas when cases reach a certain level

and

b) just in corridors and places like that (toilets presumably)

and

c) just in secondary schools.

Pupils should wear a mask!

It this way the government hopes to assuage fears while still allowing teachers to teach – that risk is acceptable – and neither causing other parents to keep their children from school by introducing full-time mask wearing.

This is following “the science”?

103496 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Ned of the Hills, 11, #1270 of 1481 🔗

Boris admitted they didn’t even bother consulting “the science” – it was simply to make some parents “feel safe”. At the expense of those of think it is either unnecessary or actually damaging.

Government scientific advisers have not been asked to review the new guidance but ministers believe it will boost confidence among parents .

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/25/face-masks-worn-schools-government-u-turn/

103519 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to zacaway, 14, #1271 of 1481 🔗

Thanks for that information:-

Government scientific advisers have not been asked to review the new guidance but ministers believe it will boost confidence among parents .

In the same way mask wearing has increased footfalls in shops? Are they learning nowt?

I presume I’m correct in believing footfalls have declined – or certainly shown no improvement?

103540 ▶▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Ned of the Hills, 7, #1272 of 1481 🔗

You are correct footfalls are well below normal. I wonder why?

103550 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to smileymiley, 1, #1273 of 1481 🔗

Nothing to do with masks, I assure you!

103553 ▶▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to smileymiley, 1, #1274 of 1481 🔗

Here are some actual statistics on retail footfall:

https://www.spring-board.info/benchmarks

footfall is rising.

103564 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to DressageRider, 1, #1275 of 1481 🔗

Huh, interesting. Does that vindicate Bojo’s strategy then, that the country is filled with ninnies who are too scared to go out without covering their face (thank’s to the government instilling fear in them)?

103581 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to zacaway, 1, #1276 of 1481 🔗

I am afraid so.

The ONS is also doing a survey based on opinions of 2,500 people each week over all age groups, and the Govt will be taking findings like this into account:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthandwellbeing/bulletins/coronavirusandthesocialimpactsongreatbritain/21august2020

Interestingly, last week 9/10 of those who had a school age child in the household said they were confident that schools were safe. That is good news.

103590 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to DressageRider, 3, #1277 of 1481 🔗

Grim reading, especially this bit:

Nearly 7 in 10 (69%) adults reported that they think the police should be very strict or strict in enforcing rules to help reduce

the spread of COVID-19

I wonder how much the increase in footfall was due to offering people 1/2 price eating out.

103611 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to zacaway, 1, #1278 of 1481 🔗

Yes, most of the survey is very worrying, I cherry picked the only good news bit.

103626 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to zacaway, 3, #1279 of 1481 🔗

People are strange and hypocritical. I’m sure that more than 31% of people have broken one or more of the many ‘rules’ over the last few months, so there are almost certainly a reasonable number who simultaneously break the rules and want them strictly enforced!

103634 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 8, #1280 of 1481 🔗

Other people breaking the rules = bad
Me breaking the rules (because I’m clever enough to know when it’s OK) = good

In other words, do as I say and not as I do.

103646 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to A. Contrarian, #1281 of 1481 🔗

Indeed, a fact of life that’s usually easy to ignore.

Bloody infuriating and impossible to ignore though when the ‘do as I say’ bit encroaches on almost every aspect of life!

103652 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1282 of 1481 🔗

Of course! The police should enforce the rules on *those* other people, not me!

103744 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to zacaway, #1283 of 1481 🔗

there have been posts here of police intervention in favour of refuseniks for disabled Discrimination

103698 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to zacaway, #1284 of 1481 🔗

They key to this in the question. Who would be stupid to say they didn’t want police to enforce rules to stop the SPREAD of Covid? Anyone is going to want to stop the SPREAD of a disease. But the police don’t make the rules, they execute them. It’s just that most people here know that the measures mandated to stop the SPREAD are idiotic and ineffective. We also know the damn thing is on the wane so that most of these measure are now completely unnecessary.

103740 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to zacaway, #1285 of 1481 🔗

My city centre roads are as busy Thursday fridays as early in the week

103619 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DressageRider, 1, #1286 of 1481 🔗

Safe because of the silly precautions, or safe because there is no viral threat?

103622 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to DressageRider, 2, #1287 of 1481 🔗

That report also states that its findings are based on 1533 responses out of the 2500 sampled. So hardly a representative number. And the government is basing its decisions on that? It beggars belief.

103642 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Miss Owl, 1, #1288 of 1481 🔗

Depends on the details of the sampling.

But none of the findings surprise me.

The one class of question that isn’t asked is :

“What do you actually know about the facts surrounding Coronavirus”?

… and I bet we can guess the accuracy of responses in that general area.

103676 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to zacaway, #1289 of 1481 🔗

Not really no, footfall was increasing before mandatory masks and has continued to increase (though judging by graph on that site, more slowly) since masks mandated.

103586 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to DressageRider, 1, #1290 of 1481 🔗

It looks like I’m wrong then. It has happened before. But one can’t claim cause and effect. Just as it can’t unfortunately can’t be claimed that mask wearing hasn’t kept down infection because infections are rising.

103613 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1291 of 1481 🔗

Exactly!

103612 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to DressageRider, 11, #1292 of 1481 🔗

It was always inevitable, surely, that footfall would rise once the prevalence of illness declined as the epidemic ended, and anyway as people became accustomed to the situation.

The question then is, did it recover more slowly or more quickly as a result of government policies? My feeling is definitely that masks increased fearfulness and therefore slowed return. If Johnson had declared in June that the epidemic was over and that it was safe to go out again as normal until further notice, with a complete end to any compulsory “safety” precautions, I feel people would have returned much more quickly, especially if he had turned the behavioural manipulation and propaganda assets he has in the direction of suppressing fear instead of encouraging it.

103618 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark, 4, #1293 of 1481 🔗

I’ve felt that all along.
Instead, they doubled down on the fearmongering and contradictory rules, which suggests an underlying agenda that has nothing to do with a virus.

103621 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Mark, #1294 of 1481 🔗

The problem is that we cant measure what might have happened. I agree that if the message in July had been ‘it’s over, it’s safe to go shopping, go to work, use public transport’ then we would very quickly have been back to normal.

103645 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to DressageRider, #1295 of 1481 🔗

The problem is that we cant measure what might have happened. “

Yes. The counterfactual is always a matter of speculation.

103770 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Mark, 2, #1296 of 1481 🔗

That’s so right. And any ‘recovery’ continues to be slow and may not be enough to save the retail sector in the short/medium term. How could it be otherwise? I don’t know how Springboard obtained their figures (see my post on their provenance, above) or where the ONS polled their small sample but the buses and trains here continue to run nearly empty. I understand that the centre of Manchester continues to be near-dead and many of the retail outlets at Piccadilly Station have closed for good.

Some High Peak shops and cafes have closed. True, many have finally re-opened but they are having to limit their customers to a fraction of normal because of the draconian restrictions.

Supermarkets have done OK throughout but I’ve never seen one as busy as they used to be. Meanwhile, delivery vans run round our village all day, every day, mostly benefiting supermarket chains and mega-online companies like Amazon.

If the Government hails this as a ‘success’ for their mask-mandate, no sane person should believe them. Oh……..MW

103615 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DressageRider, #1297 of 1481 🔗

Footfall is rising cos people are realising masks aren’t actually mandatory?

103701 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to DressageRider, #1298 of 1481 🔗

.

103707 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to DressageRider, 2, #1299 of 1481 🔗

Interesting organisation, has offices in UK and US and is partnered by some BIDs in the UK . Here’s how they get their figures, so they say:

Track customer activity using Footfall and Vehicle Counting technology. Identify real-time visitor numbers with Occupancy Alert. Map movement and dwell time with Wi-Fi Tracking . Establish the success of stores through their Capture Rate, which compares internal and external footfall volumes. Profile your audience with Demographics . Track sales in a location with Perform Sales Analysis. Benchmark performance against market trends. Discover our auto-tracking Smart Security Solution , take control of un-manned operations.

It’s the complete picture you need.

I like the image that accompanies it too, not remotely creepy!

The ONS statistics seem to have used a small sample so hard to know how much credence to give it. Certainly pubs and cafes seem to be doing well at the moment. Round here, the shops are definitely quieter than before March, those that haven’t gone bust, that is! Many of them can only accommodate 1 person at a time anyway.

It seems likely that mask-wearers may be becoming habituated to wearing them which was no doubt the point. It will be interesting to see if mask-related illnesses proliferate, which seems likely. MW

103638 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #1300 of 1481 🔗

Are they learning nowt?”

Why would things change now?

103589 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to zacaway, 13, #1301 of 1481 🔗

Making others feel safe seems like it’s on the same continuum as not being able to offend anyone. Fucking fascist bastards.

103604 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 7, #1302 of 1481 🔗

Exactly. It’s pandering to cowardice, just as protecting people from “offence” is pandering to self-indulgence.

And in both cases it just encourages more of what it panders to.

103644 ▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Julian, 2, #1303 of 1481 🔗

They are clearly laying the groundwork and narrative to go to mandatory vaccines – for the “common good”. Wouldn’t surprise me if they just jab everyone with a placebo simply to placate the ninnies.

103637 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #1304 of 1481 🔗

My thoughts exactly. They are petrified that schools won’t open after all, or that only a small percentage of kids will go back, thus making them look bad (or worse than they already look). So, they make out that kids will be wearing masks in school, when in fact it’s only in certain areas and certain places – for now anyway. That might keep both sides happy – in the addled heads of the government at least.

103493 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1305 of 1481 🔗

At the heart of the UN Agenda 2030 (and its predecessor Agenda 21) are the Sustainable Development Goals which “clearly define the world we want – applying to all nations and leaving no one behind”. The UN makes clear that “business has to play a very important role in the process”. The tax payer has paid for the Common Purpose Graduate courses who all have places in UK Establishments

103500 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1306 of 1481 🔗

Leaving no one behind. Global to local level this is the phrase of choice. You will not be allowed to be left behind. Don’t consent to the globalist ways, you will be forced to comply.

103504 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Basics, 5, #1307 of 1481 🔗

Never, but too many people dont realise what is going on. Today the BBC announced that all staff will go on ‘diversity courses’ ie Common Purpose

105122 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Dan Clarke, #1308 of 1481 🔗

I wonder if Belarus will just tell them to fuck off?

103495 Edna, replying to Edna, 27, #1309 of 1481 🔗

I’ve just seen the news of the U-turn on facemasks in secondary schools. We don’t have a human as PM, we have a jellyfish; although that’s an insult to jellyfish, at least they are able to move in a given direction whereas the Prime Minister is more of an amorphous blob, blown hither and thither on the currents of public opinion.

In fact, my husband’s view is that the PM does, literally, that. Husband reckons he (the PM) has software which scans social media and shows which way opinion is going and changes his policies to follow which is why he was able to pronounce on the Rule, Britannia fracas and also why he did his latest U-turn. We (husband & I) know someone who writes that sort of software so we are more than willing to believe that the PM uses that method of gauging public opinion. It’s just a shame the PM doesn’t recognise that an awful lot of the population don’t use social media.

103499 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Edna, 18, #1310 of 1481 🔗

It is mad that government policy is being driven by twitter. Probably a load of Chinese spambots providing most of the input.

103532 ▶▶▶ Norma McNormalface, replying to zacaway, 11, #1311 of 1481 🔗

Twitter is completely bogus. It’s quite good for jokes and shaming bad customer service departments. Beyond that, I have arrived at the conclusion that it is, on balance, a dangerous time-sucking mind control tool. I’ve stopped using it as a matter of principle based on this: I searched for “top” tweets on a very generic topic (cycling in London) and it showed me a tweet involving some artwork by someone in my line of work who I’ve encountered personally, which their algorithm obviously thought I’d most like to see. For me that was akin to that brilliant moment from “The Wizard of Oz” where they see man behind the curtain (how prescient is that scene, actually!)

103552 ▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Norma McNormalface, 8, #1312 of 1481 🔗

Agreed – I think humanity would be better off without it.

103559 ▶▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to zacaway, 5, #1313 of 1481 🔗

Totally agree, and all smart phones as well.

103605 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to DressageRider, 2, #1314 of 1481 🔗
103616 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Catherine123, replying to Simon Dutton, 1, #1315 of 1481 🔗

I watched that a while ago – absolutely brilliant! Recommended viewing to those who dismiss concerns about wireless radiation as being a far out there conspiracy theory. This woman is a serious scientist and talks a lot of sense.

103538 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to zacaway, 7, #1316 of 1481 🔗

If they are governing by Twitter that means I am disenfranchised which makes it morally right to withhold my taxes.

103548 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to karenovirus, 3, #1317 of 1481 🔗

What he said.

103572 ▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to karenovirus, 5, #1318 of 1481 🔗

Government has no need of your taxes. Surely the furlough pay scheme has demonstrated that very clearly.

Tax happens somewhere if you interact with the economy.

103720 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lucan Grey, #1319 of 1481 🔗

Saudi Arabia has no need of taxes from its populatio which is why its ruling family can rule the way it does, mind you that applied to Ghaddafi too.

103574 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to zacaway, 10, #1320 of 1481 🔗

Don’t think the Chinese or Russians need to undermine the UK we seem to have a very active and powerful Fifth column already – it seems to hold just about every position of power in the media and establishment.

103753 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Strange Days, 1, #1322 of 1481 🔗

Nice that he’s noticed that, as he puts it, “the left keeps losing elections yet gets its way nonetheless”. And doubtless the Twitter situation has supercharged that issue. but it’s hardly new. It’s been going on for a century, which is why on almost every political issue that divided the left and right at the beginning of the C20th, the left has triumphed and made its position the establishment one today.

About the only big exception was the defeat of direct state control of industry, which failed too obviously in the mid-C20th and was rolled back, to be replaced by the current corporatist settlement.

Before Twitter, the driver was steady elite subversion via the march through the institutions and especially via BBC indoctrination. Under fptp, though, having destroyed any rivals to the right by allying with the left to smear them (single issue Brexit parties aside) the “Conservative” Party has been enabled and encouraged to move continuously to the left to win more centre and centre left voters, while taking for granted conservatives and traditionalists, who mostly have had no alternative but to vote for them.

The result is that we have had repeated “Conservative” Party victories and governments, but almost never any actual conservative government.

This is not a new thing.

103508 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Edna, 7, #1323 of 1481 🔗

Looking at the comments on the BBC (of all places), I think any such software is of similar quality to Ferguson’s guff.

103524 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Edna, 7, #1324 of 1481 🔗

They all do nowadays. We want to rule you and will implement whatever you want if it means we have the power and control.

What happened to statesmen that could lead arguments and get people to follow.

103597 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Edna, 2, #1325 of 1481 🔗

That is entirely believable.

103507 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 38, #1326 of 1481 🔗

Dear Boris. Simple suggestion. Why don’t you start taking a lead from Sweden not Sturgeon? Half-wit.

103529 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Achilles, 5, #1327 of 1481 🔗

Controlled?

103542 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1328 of 1481 🔗

Controlled half-wit?

103513 Lord Rickmansworth, 7, #1329 of 1481 🔗

Excellent video from Ivor Cummins on the ‘Casedemic’ share widely! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU3OibcindQ

103521 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 16, #1330 of 1481 🔗

I work with a lot of young people, had a refreshing conversation with a girl about to go to Uni, who complained that school teaches you to pass exams, but not life skills.

103562 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Silke David, 3, #1331 of 1481 🔗

Life skills don’t improve the league table standings of a school.

103632 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Silke David, 3, #1332 of 1481 🔗

Lots of teachers have got zero life skills so how could they possibly pass them on!

103717 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #1333 of 1481 🔗

I used to do work for a very prestigious public school in the UK where the cost per term was around £30k. During breaks and lunch I had to go and sit in the teachers lounge, and was amazed how out of touch these people really are, and even though these were people aged anywhere from 25-60 their behaviour I would say was very child like.

103643 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Silke David, 2, #1334 of 1481 🔗

Life skills are parents’ job.

103522 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 4, #1335 of 1481 🔗

Gov website publishing daily numbers having trouble publishing them since yesterday afternoon.
I am not a computer person, but how difficult can it be??????

103659 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Silke David, 4, #1336 of 1481 🔗

Sorry to be repetitive but dividing by zero is supremely difficult for a computer. The developers obviously didn’t factor zero deaths/hospitalisations into their code.

103525 Winston Smith, replying to Winston Smith, 31, #1337 of 1481 🔗

Just seen this on the BBC news website –

Face coverings in schools a ‘slippery slope’ – Tory MP

Requiring pupils to wear face coverings in schools is a “slippery slope”, says Conservative MP Huw Merriman.

The MP for Bexhill and Battle told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that he disagreed with the move because “we need to send the message out that our schools are safe with the measures that they’ve been taking and will be taking”.

“Anything that sends a message out that it’s not safe in the corridor means that it can’t be safe in the classroom and we’re on a slippery slope,” he said.

“My concern is that we just keep making this up as we go along,” he continued – adding that the World Health Organization was “not explicit about schools at all”.

His comments came after the government said secondary pupils will have to wear masks in school corridors in local lockdown areas of England.

103560 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Winston Smith, 6, #1338 of 1481 🔗

A blast of sanity! We need not despair entirely!

103596 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #1339 of 1481 🔗

Voices of sanity creeping into the Beeb and the Grad. Maybe there’s hope ….

103527 Dan Clarke, 9, #1340 of 1481 🔗

Those who have influence are pushing the control methods, the rest of us are ‘getting left behind’, Ministers who disagree, need to start speaking LOUDER

103533 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 38, #1341 of 1481 🔗

We have a new hero:

Face masks could actually make students less safe when you “take into account children’s behaviour”, a leading headteacher has warned.
Katharine Birbalsingh , founder of the Michaela Community School in London, told the Today programme that ministers needed to consider the unintended consequences of their latest U-turn, which will make face masks mandatory for students aged 12 and over in corridors and communal areas in schools that fall within lockdown locations.
She said: “What about the children who turn up to school with uniforms that haven’t been washed?… They will be wearing reused, dirty masks. They will pop them they will ping them, they will lick and spit on each others’ masks for a joke. They will wear them incorrectly, they will lose them.
“When half of your students turn up without masks, what do you do? Do you exclude them? The girls will be in the loos, checking their masks, making sure they look nice, touching their faces all the more.
“We need to take into account children’s behaviour – and I would actually argue they make them less safe.” (DT live)

At last, a headteacher who actually understands kids! Obviously she doesn’t work in some nice yummy mummy bubble. I hope her staff are as sensible.

I had a very low opinion of de Piffle long before he was elected, and I wouldn’t have thought it could have sunk any lower. However, today’s spineless dictum really shows his mettle. Clearly a political decision with no care whatsoever for those it will affect.

The U-turn comes after an exams fiasco in which tens of thousands of teacher-recommended A-level results in England were downgraded, only to be reinstated days after the same reversal in Scotland. (Grad)

They’re destroying the pavement outside my house today in order to put in cables ready for 5G. Horrible whistling sound is stoking my foul mood. Thank goodness I’m meeting some KBF people at lunchtime!

103543 ▶▶ Tommo, replying to Cheezilla, 17, #1342 of 1481 🔗

I think this line of argument is key to changing minds. If parents are worried about health of their children because of covid, surely the same parents will be worried about the health of their children if we can convince them that a bacteria ridden cloth strapped to their child’s face is even worse.

103600 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tommo, 4, #1343 of 1481 🔗

You’d think, wouldn’t you …

103704 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tommo, 1, #1344 of 1481 🔗

They aren’t worried about face masks as only Covid kills you.

103547 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Cheezilla, 14, #1345 of 1481 🔗

Katharine Birbalsingh is inspirational. Check out her interviews on the Triggernometry podcast, if you want to know more about her – she’s done quite a few now. Highly recommended viewing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39vGqUOTulI

103565 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #1346 of 1481 🔗

Thanks!

103667 ▶▶▶ Athanasius, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #1347 of 1481 🔗

I agree, I think she’s wonderful, a breath of fresh air in the educational world. One of the few people who speaks sense all the time.

103567 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Cheezilla, 15, #1348 of 1481 🔗

Katharine should be education minister rather than the useless waste of space currently in situ.

103577 ▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Lucan Grey, 9, #1349 of 1481 🔗

Indeed, but she is far too intelligent and sensible to want the job!

103599 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cheezilla, #1350 of 1481 🔗

Have a great lunch time ! 🙂

103662 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1351 of 1481 🔗

sound on do many things educational thus disliked by the ed establishment.

103535 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #1352 of 1481 🔗

School teacher niece, spent a lot of time arranging the school, signs for toilets, one way system, etc, says on the question of masks’ you know, you get used to them’ bought her daughter, about to go to senior school, some ‘masks with nice patterns on’, they will become a designer accessory, named brands, costing a fortune, like trainers etc.

103671 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1353 of 1481 🔗

You can ‘get used to’ many things – that’s not an argument for accepting them. As has been pointed out before, putting a courgette up your fundament may limit the spread of coronavirus. There’s no evidence that it doesn’t. Should that be mandatory? You could probably ‘get used to it.’

103537 Basics, 4, #1354 of 1481 🔗

Here come the Covid Detention Centers (USA related)

Article relating to a New York bill to be passed.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/08/no_author/764696-2/

103544 Sam Vimes, 14, #1355 of 1481 🔗

Seems the great unwashed now tell the Government what to do, rather than vice versa. So, here is #1 in an occasional series of T-shirt slogans:

“Government of the Sheeple, by the Sheeple”.

This is a free service.

103546 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #1356 of 1481 🔗

UK gov has ordered 5 doses of C19 vaccine per head of population.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02450-x

103585 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Basics, 12, #1357 of 1481 🔗

Hancock can have my 5, and my Mrs and kids… Just so he’s extra-immune.

103595 ▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Julian, 6, #1358 of 1481 🔗

My MP can have mine.

103648 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Thinkaboutit, 2, #1359 of 1481 🔗

So could mine if I knew where he is hiding.

103594 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Basics, 2, #1360 of 1481 🔗

I can see an amnesty for illegals. Justification: “It’s the only way we can be sure they’re vaccinated”

103660 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Ossettian, #1361 of 1481 🔗

Shit. That case will be made.

103603 ▶▶ Norma McNormalface, replying to Basics, 6, #1362 of 1481 🔗

Brace yourselves for the tsunami on the horizon that is the controversy over the vaccine (re: costs, efficacy, risks and compliance). I’ll be stockpiling a lot of popcorn for that one!

103620 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Norma McNormalface, 7, #1363 of 1481 🔗

We will be assured by lobotomised breakfast TV presenters that the vaccine is safe for everyone. The SNP will decide that everyone should have a double dose. The Conservative government will reply at midday that the science shows that is not necessary. By teatime they will have ordered double doses for the whole of England.

103674 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to OKUK, #1364 of 1481 🔗
103750 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Norma McNormalface, #1365 of 1481 🔗

Now I’m glad I unplugged the aerial!

103561 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 5, #1366 of 1481 🔗

Bizarre EU Funded Comic Book Predicted Pandemic, With Globalists As Saviours
https://summit.news/2020/05/15/bizarre-eu-funded-comic-book-predicted-pandemic-with-globalists-as-saviours/

103575 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to 2 pence, #1367 of 1481 🔗

Wowsers!

103598 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to 2 pence, 2, #1368 of 1481 🔗

Predicitive programming for the psy-op. In how many official languages ?!

It would be interesting to know who the author and artist were …

103609 ▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to JohnB, 2, #1369 of 1481 🔗
103786 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to 2 pence, #1370 of 1481 🔗

Thanks 2p !

103566 wendyk, 8, #1371 of 1481 🔗

Boris is now Mr Blobby-Noel Edmonds take note-and his theme tune is ‘Blowin In The Wind’.

103569 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 48, #1372 of 1481 🔗

Two more anti-mask heroes:

But Huw Merriman , the Tory MP for Bexhill and Battle and chair of the transport select committee, said masks in schools would “further downgrade the learning environment. Like every other risk in our daily lives, we need to embed Covid and proportionately live with it.”

The Tory backbencher Marcus Fysh said: “Masks should be banned in schools. The country should be getting back to normal not pandering to this scientifically illiterate guff,” he said. “It is time to end the fear. And keep it away from our kids thank you very much.” (Grad)

Let’s hope more like them speak up!

103583 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #1373 of 1481 🔗

Very encouraging words from both. Ranks starting to break.

103677 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 2, #1374 of 1481 🔗

I do hope so!

103608 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #1375 of 1481 🔗

I like the Fysh comment. Hope he forms an Immunity and Health Research Group with fellow MPs to push back on the lockdown-mask ideology. MPs have reacted with shameful insouciance so far to destruction of our liberties, our jobs, our children’s education, our cultural life and our health service (dentistry, cancer treatment and so on). Time for them to recover in part their reputation.

103573 Basics, replying to Basics, 9, #1376 of 1481 🔗

A bit of interesting news here… genuinely! The Devi Sridhar is going to be focussing more on being nonsensical and ineptly interferring at a global level because, and I quote – “[she is] finding it too hard to make sense of what’s happening in the UK as a whole.”

https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1298335364915040256?s=20

Earlier Devi tweeted: “Becoming increasingly difficult to follow what’s going on without the regular press briefings & with technical difficulties on key data website.”

And finally, not set back by the “pure bullshit” report about a Hong Kong reinfection that wasn’t a few days ago, she has retweeted a Belgian news article which claims a reinfection there.
https://twitter.com/STcom/status/1298149204041379840?s=20

Has she been removed from UK duties for being so clearly a joke professor with long red shoes and a big bow tie? No doubt she’s the type that lingers.

103582 ▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Basics, 6, #1377 of 1481 🔗

The Devi seems to have her fans, though. Here is a comment on her twitter feed. “Having only met you virtually and following you on twitter for a few months now, I am a total fangirl and think you are incredibly impressive and have only ever made perfect sense on Covid. Will miss your wisdom!” One, Christina Pagel. Member of independent Sage. Professor at UCL. Is that the sort of person students have teaching them now? Let’s hope poor Nicola Sturgeon can start listening to more sensible people now.

103591 ▶▶▶ tallandbald, replying to Jane in France, 5, #1378 of 1481 🔗

That comment has the same ring to it as all of the “favourable” comments by the CCP bots that did the rounds on various leaders twitter feeds when the fakedemic unfolded.

103593 ▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Jane in France, 8, #1379 of 1481 🔗

Total fangirl…sounds like a 10 year old.

103588 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Basics, 1, #1380 of 1481 🔗

Rejoice!

103601 ▶▶ Catherine123, replying to Basics, 4, #1381 of 1481 🔗

Why do these people even tweet at all? – It’s just ridiculous as if we want to know they every inane thought. Why don’t they get back to us when they’ve got something well thought out to say.

103606 ▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Catherine123, 4, #1382 of 1481 🔗

Ego, pure and simple. They love to be
‘influencers’.

103700 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Catherine123, 1, #1383 of 1481 🔗

They’re narcissists, think that their opinions are worth so much more than those who they seem below them.

103602 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Basics, 1, #1384 of 1481 🔗

She probably couldn’t take all our sarky comments .

103610 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Basics, 2, #1385 of 1481 🔗

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/dutch-belgian-patients-re-infected-with-coronavirus-media?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=sttw&utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1598337845

There is no indication in the repoort whether they have isolated the virus and proven different strain.The Belgian woman mild reinfection.The Dutch case in an elderly immunocompromised.Not anything thrilling here or even unusual.

103818 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to swedenborg, #1386 of 1481 🔗

Well done Swedenb fir getting to grips with the nub of the thing.

Nothing unusual but needed to be pumped out with glee by her. Why? Are we winning Swedenborg?

103624 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basics, 3, #1387 of 1481 🔗

Fascinating that those of us without tenured university posts in public health have found it perfectly easy to understand what is going on in the UK – given that some details may need filling in and expanding.

The confession is obviously a mark of this individual’s lack of intellectual grasp and adherence to an insupportable narrative.

103690 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 4, #1388 of 1481 🔗

I watched the Unherd interview. Freddie Sayers is a very impressive interviewer – very calm, polite, gives the interviewee the opportunity to present their argument without interruption. One might have thought Devi would have been smart enough to do the background check on Freddie – she was clearly phased by him saying he was Swedish. The point is she was gabbling, constantly fiddling with her hair, and throwing in all manner of ‘alternative facts’ that demonstrated, to anyone who might not have known otherwise, that she is no scientist. She talks in soundbites, like many politicians. She is connected to some very important people, not sure how and where exactly, but we don’t seem to know much about her parents (in her Wiki entry, we hear she was inspired by her grandmother). What we do know is she is linked to Chelsea Clinton. She has a two-year undergraduate degree in Biology, from a feeder course to the 48th ranked US Med School. She was then the youngest person ever to get a Rhodes Scholarship, at age 18. Although times change, and standards have undoubtedly slipped, I cannot begin to understand this.

103820 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1389 of 1481 🔗

Great post by you and the rest above. Good to have such comprehensive awareness of a globalist weak link.

103578 tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 9, #1390 of 1481 🔗

Found this on a FB group . coincidence I’m starting to think not

The movie Hedgehog was released in 2016 by Chinese directors & is about a respiratory virus in humans.

Exact quote from the ending:
“I’m happy to announce we’ve discovered a vaccine! We no longer have to live in fear; everyone can go back to their normal lives
Look at the screenshot
Everyone takes their masks off as they announce a vaccine was discovered

103579 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 2, #1391 of 1481 🔗

News desk

103614 ▶▶ Jane in France, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #1392 of 1481 🔗

That sounds even more sinister than the film “Contagion” a few years ago – dangerous virus, dodgy natural healer (played by Jude Law), selfless scientists working round the clock to find a vaccine, particularly selfless scientist tries it first on herself for the sake of humanity, bingo, it works. The film was a flop at the time I seem to remember.

103651 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Jane in France, 2, #1393 of 1481 🔗

I don’t think that, in 2011, that film was taken as anything other than a sci-fi story. Nothing there.

103722 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to tonyspurs, #1394 of 1481 🔗
103607 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1395 of 1481 🔗

Meanwhile in NZ:

https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1298497148837928960?s=12

Distressing to say the least.

103630 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1396 of 1481 🔗

Fascism comes to NZ.

103657 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1397 of 1481 🔗

So much for tolerance of dissent and a “right to protest”.

103668 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1398 of 1481 🔗

I hope the screams of that distressed child echo in the dreams of those police each night.

103805 ▶▶ DomW, replying to Sarigan, #1399 of 1481 🔗

Much as I loathe St Jacinda of the One ond Only Truth, in the name of actual truth I need to point out that her sticky pawprints aren’t actually on this one

According to the police badge it’s Australia – NSW to be exact. Shocking anywhere but perhaps not surprising for Oz right now.

103635 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 10, #1400 of 1481 🔗

A couple of travel updates:

Some £22 billion could be lost from the UK economy due to the collapse of international travel in 2020, according to the World Travel & Tourism Council (WTTC).

This year international visitor spending could plunge by 78% compared to 2019, equating to a loss of £60 million a day, or £420 million a week.

Nearly three million jobs in the UK supported by travel and tourism are at risk of being lost in a ‘worst case’ scenario mapped out by WTTC economic modelling.

According to its 2020 Economic Impact Report, travel and tourism was responsible for almost four million UK jobs, or 11% of the country’s total workforce, last year. It accounted for nearly £200 billion GDP, or 9% of UK economy.

“We urgently need to replace stop-start quarantine measures with rapid, comprehensive and cost-effective test and trace programmes at departure points across the country.

But…..

‘Limited prospects’ of imminent changes to quarantine approach
The government was due to review quarantine measures and the potential for a relaxation this week, but sources suggested limited prospects of immediate change.
Travel Weekly understands ministers excluded the industry from discussion of the review amid anger at the extent of leaks and recent media speculation. An aviation source expressed frustration saying “information has dried up” and warned: “The status quo is most likely.”

The industry continues to lobby for Covid tests on arrivals to cut the length of quarantine and regionalised restrictions that could allow the partial opening of markets.

Transport secretary Grant Shapps confirmed the government is considering both, but warned anyone travelling: “Go with your eyes open because coronavirus is a fact of life.”

It seems then, they are happy to risk 3Mill jobs and £22Bill of GDP.

103654 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1401 of 1481 🔗

only £22 billion, Ha – no problem, fire up the money printing press – and theres plenty more paper and ink for billions and trillions of more money…

103664 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1402 of 1481 🔗

This money is so magic it doesn’t even need paper and ink!

103705 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Major Panic, #1403 of 1481 🔗

Correct.

And neither is it a problem either – as Japan has shown for 30 years.

There is no way we can continue to pretend governments are fiscally constrained after furlough pay, the global financial crisis and Japan.

It no longer passes the laugh test.

We are only constrained by the physical resources we have available. Again as Covid demonstrated. We may have had as much money as required, but we still couldn’t buy enough PPE for health workers in the early days.

103670 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1404 of 1481 🔗

Last week a small group of BA staff were demonstrating against job losses in Oxford St. I told them about the protest on Saturday in Trafalgar Square – they didn’t know about it (and never heard of KBF, either).

103678 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Alice, 6, #1405 of 1481 🔗

Sadly I don’t think most people are anti lockdown as long as they are getting paid. It was blindingly obvious from day one this was the nail in the coffin for many travel companies yet many of the staff never seemed to think about doing some research and questioning what they were being told by the media. The fact so few people seem to know about Keep Britain Free is sad, hopefully it will change.

103680 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Alice, 3, #1406 of 1481 🔗

Maybe this is how it will end. Workers/unions realising, at last, that calling for more lockdown measures is not in their best interests regardless of what the Media and Labour tell them.

103684 ▶▶▶▶ Alice, replying to kf99, 2, #1407 of 1481 🔗

Yes, this is exactly what we need – workers and business owners, unite!

103699 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1408 of 1481 🔗

If anyone listens to the WTTC it will end up a lot more jobs lost.

They rote a letter to Governments recently asking for:

Wearing a mask: This should be mandatory on all modes of transport throughout the entire traveller journey, as well as when visiting any interior venue and in locations where there is restricted movement which results in close personal contact and required physical distancing cannot be maintained.

Testing and contact tracing: We need governments to invest and agree on extensive, rapid, and reliable testing, ideally with results available in as quick as 90 minutes, and at a low cost, before departure and/ or after arrival (symptomatic and asymptomatic would-be travellers), supported by effective and agreed contact tracing tools. The application of one or multiple tests, with the second after five days, will help to isolate infected people.

Quarantine for positive tests only: Quarantine for healthy travellers, which only serves to damage the economy, should not be necessary if testing is in place before departure and/or on arrival, and effective containment measures are taken five days later. This can replace blanket quarantine in a more targeted and effective way significantly reducing the negative impact on jobs and the economy.

I did write to them asking them to explain their stance and giving scientific evidence what they had stated was wrong but unsurprisingly no answer from them.

On the WTTC website biographies page there is this to say about their Presdient and CEO Gloria Guevara:

Gloria has been Special Advisor on Government Affairs to Harvard University, and part of the Future for Travel, Tourism and Aviation Global Agenda Council of the World Economic Forum (WEF).

Another well well well

103650 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 8, #1409 of 1481 🔗

Flat Earth Syndrome…

Sufferers are unaware of their condition. The sufferer will spin and argue with reality when data and evidense shows the theory to be wrong, and attract simmular sufferers creating a ‘group think’ cult.

They can fester harmlessly in large institutions but become extremely dangerous when incompetent government, and their corrupt quangos, take them seriously and believe the sufferers theories are ‘The Science’ – when no such settled science exists.

They can easily be diagnosed by a simple challenge of their theories – Instead of a reasoned argument the challenge is met with anger and insults in defence of the theory and, interestingly, the challenger is often accused of being a right wing fascist.

People with Flat Earth Syndrome have the wrong personalities to be involved in science – where an ability to constantly adapt thinking when new evidense and data becomes available.

103655 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Major Panic, 6, #1410 of 1481 🔗

Spot on. They, not us, are deniers. Truth deniers.

103658 Cheezilla, 2, #1411 of 1481 🔗

Priti’s gonna revel in this:

The widow of PC Andrew Harper is due to meet the Home Secretary next month in an effort to harness major political support for a new law meaning those who kill emergency workers are jailed for life.
Lissie Harper, 29, said she was contacted by the Home Office to arrange face-to-face talks with Priti Patel.
Mrs Harper, whose campaign has secured nearly half a million signatures, said she was “delighted” that the Home Secretary had agreed to a meeting, and that her campaign is “vital and urgent”. (DT)

103661 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1412 of 1481 🔗

Maybe this is why “they” don’t care if schools reopen or not? Same shit planned worldwide?

I think so as Bill Gates and Microsoft are involved an have been for a long, long time.

https://www.activistpost.com/2020/08/gates-and-big-tech-reimagine-post-human-education-the-new-normal-is-a-i-data-mining-for-social-credit.html

From the report:

Project BEST (Better Education Skills through Technology). A sub-project of President Ronald Reagan’s Private Sector Initiative, Project BEST was a plan to corporatize the American education system through public-private partnerships with Big Tech companies which replace human teachers with Skinnerian “teaching machines” programmed with psychological conditioning algorithms that train students for workforce placement in a planned economy.

103665 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1413 of 1481 🔗

They’ve managed to shoehorn “reimagine” and “new normal” into a single heading. Bloody well done! And as a bonus we’ve also got “post human” in there. Bullshitting bastards (the advocates of this evil, not the article writers).

103672 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1414 of 1481 🔗

Don’t think there is any doubt big US technology companies are going to be the huge winner – just look at their share prices. Very surprised the public just goes along blindly with all these schemes / scams. The long term aim is transhumanism – not a conspiracy many in tech openly talk about it.

103696 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1415 of 1481 🔗

Again I am relieved that I have no school age children. These people are sick! Just plug the kids into a machine and ramp up the indoctrination levels to max. There won’t be a thinker left in the world come 2050

103712 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Eddie, 1, #1416 of 1481 🔗

Not much difference than sticking them in front of TV, tablet, X-box/Playstation or mobile that happens a lot now.

Just more formal and official.

103673 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 24, #1417 of 1481 🔗

Not sure if this has been posted before but the UK has not quite followed their own guidelines (OK this is Corona not flu but principles the same):

UK Influenza Pandemic Preparedness Strategy 2011
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/213717/dh_131040.pdf

Section 1.10 (some highlights, emphasis mine)

  • Put in place plans to ensure a response that is proportionate to meet the differing demands of pandemic influenza viruses of milder and more severe impact, rather than just focusing on the “worst case” planning assumptions.
  • Take greater account of age-specific and other differences in the rate and pattern of spread of the disease across the UK and internationally.
  • Further explore statistical population-based surveillance, such as serology, to measure the severity of a pandemic in its early stages.
  • Take better account of the learning from behavioural scientists about how people are likely to think, feel and behave during an influenza pandemic.
  • Develop better plans for managing the end of an influenza pandemic – the recovery phase and preparation for subsequent seasonal influenza outbreaks.

2.12
This means that it almost certainly will not be possible to contain or eradicate a new virus in its country of origin or on arrival in the UK. The expectation must be that the virus will inevitably spread and that any local measures taken to disrupt or reduce the spread are likely to have very limited or partial success at a national level and cannot be relied on as a way to ‘buy time’.

2.14
So, for example:
• A highly transmissible virus producing relatively mild symptoms may still cause significant disruption to businesses and individuals as well as to health and social care services, due to the high incidence of sickness and staff absence over an extended period.
• A concentrated wave of infection, where a large number of people are infected over a short period with a more severe illness is likely to have a greater impact on society and service capacity than the same number of cases spread over a longer period.
• Uncertainty about the severity of a new pandemic, and any alarmist reporting in the media, may drive large numbers of people to seek reassurance from health providers , placing strain upon primary and secondary care services.

3.1
ii. Minimise the potential impact of a pandemic on society and the economy by:
• Supporting the continuity of essential services, including the supply of medicines, and protecting critical national infrastructure as far as possible.
Supporting the continuation of everyday activities as far as practicable.
Upholding the rule of law and the democratic process .
• Preparing to cope with the possibility of significant numbers of additional deaths.
Promoting a return to normality and the restoration of disrupted services at the earliest opportunity.

4.15 Although there is a perception that the wearing of facemasks by the public in the community and household setting may be beneficial, there is in fact very little evidence of widespread benefit from their use in this setting. Facemasks must be worn correctly, changed frequently, removed properly, disposed of safely and used in combination with good respiratory, hand, and home hygiene behaviour in order for them to achieve the intended benefit. Research also shows that compliance with these recommended behaviours when wearing facemasks for prolonged periods reduces over time.

There is more on border closures, public gatherings etc. We should have been 100% prepared and had they followed their own recommendations, the shitstorm would have been more like a fart in the wind.

Worth reading in full.

103682 ▶▶ RichT, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1418 of 1481 🔗

UK Influenza Pandemic Preparedness Strategy 2011 was updated to include coronavirus after SARS COV 1 and was meant to prepare for a pandemic that killed upto 200,000. A few weeks into this scamdemic the whole plan went out the window and we followed the WHO instead.

Paul Chaplin has an excellent breakdown of exactly what occured in this article https://www.paulchaplin.life/blog-original/lockdown-boris-violated-sage-advice

103685 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1419 of 1481 🔗

A very useful posting.

It demonstrates vividly the motivation behind the current panicdemic – and it clearly has nothing to do with public health, as can be seen in the contradiction of the advice in 3.1.

103694 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to RickH, 2, #1420 of 1481 🔗

We’re left with the question of why the advice was not followed. My completely uninformed guess is that reaction was heavily influenced by Dominic ‘Take Fright and Run Off’ Cummings, whose blog early in 2019 (Thank you John Stone for extracting from the archives) reflected on forthcoming pandemic in an unrealistic way. Intelligence unanchored to contact with real life.

103711 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Bruno, 1, #1421 of 1481 🔗

… and then there was the dangerous discovery of Fear as a method of social control.

103713 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Bruno, 1, #1422 of 1481 🔗

And miss a perfect once in a decade/generation opportunity to implement the long awaited but behind schedule Agenda 21 (renamed Agenda 2030 it was that far behind) new green utopia great reset?

103726 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1423 of 1481 🔗

Full marks for digging this out. Sceptic of the day.

From what I’ve seen so far this looks like a measured and well thought-out document.

What has gone wrong in our government? I wonder if it is in fact mainly down to Johnson/Cummings and SAGE et al.

The suggestion in this document is that previous administrations would have handled things very differently. Oh for the days of May and Cameron … I now bitterly regret all my ill-bred remarks about them.

103747 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1424 of 1481 🔗

This is exactly why you have an emergency strategy, so that when the emergency arises you don’t panic and instead implement well researched and thought out plans. I suppose it needs a big caveat at the top saying “This strategy relies on a strong, intelligent administration being in place”.

103686 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 13, #1425 of 1481 🔗

https://omni.se/nara-4-000-svenskar-har-fatt-felaktiga-covid-svar/a/JoKLp7
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/jd8rLb/4-000-coronatester-felaktiga–sjalvtester-holl-inte-mattet

Big news from Sweden.3700 persons got wrong result that they were C-19 pos. They had all very mild disease or not symptoms and they all had false positive result. Sweden will have to adjust the statistics. These are self administered samples used in 9 Swedish regions. The wrong results were from middle of March until August .This is a widely used Chinese test kit product and the Swedish authorities has alerted International bodies of the problem
By checking with the labs it seems to be a Chinese produced test kit which is CE . CE marking is a certification mark that indicates conformity with health, safety, and environmental protection standards for products sold within the European Economic Area (EEA).
Sweden also started mass testing (government initiative) and is now paying the usual price for such a stupid decision. Most likely used in other parts of Europe.

103688 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to swedenborg, #1426 of 1481 🔗

Do they say out of how many tests, Swedenborg?

103729 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Charlie Blue, #1427 of 1481 🔗

No I have not that details

103739 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to swedenborg, #1428 of 1481 🔗

Thanks! Would be great to know what percentage were wrong, but just the raw figure is surely important. Appreciate you sharing the info.

103751 ▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #1429 of 1481 🔗

That is almost 4% of C-19 patients in the world ststistics for Sweden now gone.If this kit failure happens in a first world country you wonder how reliable statistics in the second and third world conuntries based upon these Chinese junk kits.

103687 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1430 of 1481 🔗

Some more balanced school mask reporting from the DT:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/25/face-masks-worn-schools-government-u-turn/

John Jolly, chief executive of Parentkind, the national parent-teacher association, backed the move “as long as we are not moving into a situation where children are wearing face masks in the classroom”. He said masks could reassure the estimated 25 per cent of parents who were “very worried” about their children returning.

Only 25%?!!!!!
75% being made to pander to a bunch of idiots?!!!!

And a couple more potential heroes:

Prof Russell Viner , a Sage adviser, and President of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, suggested the evidence did not support such policies.
He said: “There are lots of concerns about mask wearing for children, particularly younger children, because they touch their face, they are constantly worried about the mask, it actually could potentially spread the virus more.”
When it came to older children and teenagers, “we don’t have the evidence that this is useful” he said.

Dr Jenny Harries , England’s Deputy Chief Dedical Officer, has previously said the evidence on whether children over 12 should wear masks in schools was “not strong”.

Prof Susan Michie, a member of the Sage sub group on behaviours (SPI-B) , said she was in favour of masks at secondary school, if it was carefully managed.

Carefully managed??
However, she goes on to point out that: “The problem about face masks is that if people fiddle with them, it can make things worse.”

103709 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1431 of 1481 🔗

Let’s face it – if an individual is a member of SPI_B, then they are disqualified from having judgment.

103737 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to RickH, 3, #1432 of 1481 🔗

Absolutely. Not to mention that there’s no virus to catch or spread. If there were, children and teenagers would not in any danger from it at all.

Masks are not about health. This psyop is about mandating obedience, demoralisation and destroying communication between us. The ‘pressure from unions and fearful parents’ is just a ruse. The politicians do not fear public opinion; they do not care. Unions and parents’ groups are useful idiots.

Remember Philip Larkin’s Poem, ‘ They fuck you up your Mum and Dad/They may not mean to, but they do.’ * When Mum and Dad + teachers have been brainwashed by a Government that does not wish us well, we are looking at a lot of fucked-up people in the near future. MW

*Fancy doing a job on it, Annie, if you haven’t already? MW

103772 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Cheezilla, #1433 of 1481 🔗

“Why were you excluded from school?”

“I touched my mask.”

103689 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 7, #1434 of 1481 🔗

https://www.lockdowntruth.org/post/data-query-please-help

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I have overlaid daily cases, hospital admissions and deaths in the UK as best I can with the data available.

The trouble is, hospital admissions stick out of the cases early on suggesting there were more hospitalisations than cases at the time.

Is this a mistake on my part or is it correct? Or is the data wrong?

103691 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Lockdown Truth, 4, #1435 of 1481 🔗

Could it be that some hospitalisations were registered on the basis of symptoms not positive tests?

103692 ▶▶ Will, replying to Lockdown Truth, 3, #1436 of 1481 🔗

Just as the false positives are exaggerating a disease that has all but disappeared now, the false negatives underestimated the case numbers early on. The useful idiots then took the data and vastly exaggerated the IFR.

103693 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Lockdown Truth, 3, #1437 of 1481 🔗

Very good graphs.

I doubt your graphs are wrong. If online published data is anything to go by the data you are using maybe muddled.

I’m trying to track hospital admissions in Ireland and some days there is a minus admission!. Meaning they’ve revised what the’ve said previously. But a minus admission could mean a dozen were admitted and thirteen previous admissions were declassified, but which ones those were is anyone’s guess.

103695 ▶▶ cognomen, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1438 of 1481 🔗

Have you adjusted for date? If you are using the date the test was reported as opposed to when it was taken it could explain the discrepancy, same for both the other values.

103697 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1439 of 1481 🔗

I’m sure I saw something about hospitalisations being recorded for people who had a positive test, but were in hospital for something else. “Case” had a different definition in those days, so this practice seemed doubly dubious I seem to recall.

And I certainly wouldn’t discount the possibility of multiple counting of “hospitalisations” e.g. every visit the Covid-positive person makes to the hospital to have a (non-Covid related) dressing changed is counted as a “hospitalisation”.

And maybe some people with, or without, positive Covid test results presented at A&E several times, worried about symptoms, and were sent home again. I’d bet these would all be counted as individual hospitalisations.

103703 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1440 of 1481 🔗

Appreciate the effort but wouldn’t even bother graphing the cases as the bedwetters see it going up and nothing else.

103719 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1441 of 1481 🔗

The whole point of this is to clearly show that the cases go up but the hospitalisations and deaths go down.

I told my ex wife this yesterday and she literally hadn’t heard that deaths were going right down. So I want to get this across simply.

103724 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1442 of 1481 🔗

It’s a good project I think, nice bit of visualisation. Would be interesting to see the test numbers on as well for comparison, although presumably they would be will out of scale with the other numbers.

103767 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Mark, #1443 of 1481 🔗

I plan on doing that but having tests on the same scale as deaths (which I want to do) means you can’t see them. You’d need a big poster or something.

103732 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1444 of 1481 🔗

Ivor Cummings has done a graph with the cases or positive tests on top and the deaths mirrored below which shows as yours does that cases or positive tests continue but deaths have all but stopped

103769 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to wendy, #1445 of 1481 🔗

Yes. I’ve seen that but I want to put thing on the same scale. It’s more shocking when you see how small the deadly numbers are.

103706 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1446 of 1481 🔗

I think that it is probably to do with the reporting of ‘cases’ – which, you recall (as your overlay shows), grew with testing as the hard evidence of admissions and deaths declined.

The root problem with ‘Covid’ data is that is pretty well buggered right from the start – although the hospital data provides as good a baseline as you will get.

103710 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1447 of 1481 🔗

shouldnt use “cases” . implies that somebody is ill. Are these just positive tests?

103723 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to mjr, 2, #1448 of 1481 🔗

As I told Tom above – the idea is to de-programme the masses that “cases” are irrelevant and deaths are going to zero.

103725 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to mjr, #1449 of 1481 🔗

But this isn’t the final graph anyway – it’s just for your comments

103714 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1450 of 1481 🔗

In March and April mostly the only people being tested were those admitted to hospital as there wasn’t enough testing to extend to the community. Could the infections be higher as it doesn’t capture asymptomatic people so if it could give an estimate of those people too it will really bring the hospitalisation sand deaths in to perspective.

103731 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to wendy, #1451 of 1481 🔗

Possibly a combination of that and maybe a lag in reporting test results.

103735 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1452 of 1481 🔗

Yes, sorry what I was thinking was cases or positive people are likely to have been much under estimated given the antibody testing shows 3.4 million with antibodies and that is likely to be a low representation of infections as many don’t show antibodies on blood testing. They are very good graphs. You could use Car Heneghan recent estimates of IFR perhaps. He gives it at 0.49 to 0.3

Are the numbers some thing like 50k deaths with Covid and mostly comorbity; 130k hospital admissions; 3.5 million with antibodies

103755 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to wendy, #1453 of 1481 🔗

Also of the 3.4 million with antibodies most have had no symptoms, is is around 70% asymptomatic?

And of the deaths very few have had no comorbidity and most older people.

ONS graphs might help

103771 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to wendy, #1454 of 1481 🔗

I’m working on a graphic showing the age/comorbidities of deaths.

103716 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1455 of 1481 🔗

What numbers are you calling ‘daily cases’? Source?

103728 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Bruno, #1456 of 1481 🔗

all the usual daily figures from GOV

103721 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Lockdown Truth, 3, #1457 of 1481 🔗

Everyone is right below – asymptomatic positives are not an illness. It’s a person encountering a virus and stopping it with their immune system from making them unwell.

103745 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to wendy, 1, #1458 of 1481 🔗

asymptomatic positives are not an illness.”

… even more, they don’t indicate the presence of an actual virus – just a bit of RNA.

103757 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to RickH, #1459 of 1481 🔗

Yes that is right. Factor in the false positives too.

103765 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1460 of 1481 🔗

Could be that at the start ‘x’ number of people were in hospital. They were there for hip replacements, ‘pneumonia’ etc, and then caught the virus in hospital.

It could also be that they were not identified as covid positive on admission, and misdiagnosed with flu etc

The date of the admission doesn’t change

I think one of the early recorded cases was a woman who went into the Royal Gwent Hospital for a routine hip replacement. Whilst there she caught ‘pneumonia’. She was treated for ‘pneumonia’ in intensive care for a month. On the point that she was about to die they realised it was covid, and she tested positive

Usually the sequence would be

positive test….. hospitalisation ……. death

in her case the sequence was

Hospitalisation …….positive test………. death

103708 anti_corruption_tsar, replying to anti_corruption_tsar, 1, #1462 of 1481 🔗
103736 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to anti_corruption_tsar, 3, #1463 of 1481 🔗

Although he only saw the light after cooping himself and family up in Lismore (pop. 146) on the remote Argyll island hours before Scotland announced lockdown. He had evidently regretted that smart move by the end of July when he was interviewed, still on the island.

103718 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 12, #1464 of 1481 🔗

I’m assuming the school mask wearing is because we can rely on the clever virus to stay in the corridors and communal areas but never dare enter a classroom. After all it knows to stop at the door of a supermarket cafe while circulating madly round the store.

When will the government put its foot down and end this death by a thousand cuts of our liberties? We knew transport wouldn’t be the end and indeed shops soon followed. Do they think the bedwetters will be happy with secondary school corridors? Of course they won’t! Next it will be classrooms, then primary and infant schools, then outdoors. Eventually it will be anywhere you meet people from outside your own household including in your own home.

103730 ▶▶ mjr, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #1465 of 1481 🔗

simple.. the virus is put into detention

103746 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #1466 of 1481 🔗

Indeed, once you pay the Danegeld etc.
It is a one way ratchet with the ” its only a mask, if it saves one life, better to be on the safe side” that wilfully ignores all the scientific evidence against mask wearing.
Once you give in on one thing they willl push and push to get their way on everything else, eventually it’ll be the same as Oz where the police can enter your house without a warrant to check you are obeying all govt dictats.
https://principia-scientific.org/neurosurgeon-face-masks-pose-serious-risks-to-healthy-individuals/

103754 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Nessimmersion, #1467 of 1481 🔗

Don’t worry, they already can, under the ‘Test, Trace and Detain’ measures.

http://www.laworfiction.com/2020/08/test-trace-and-detain/

‘If you do not go where you are told, or abscond, a police officer may take you into custody and return you to wherever the public health officer specifies. Indeed, a police officer can enter your home or any premises at will in order to exercise these various powers relating to screening, assessment and detention.’

Oh, plus take your kids away from you without your permission e.g. if they test positive at school. MW

103727 Lms23, 2, #1468 of 1481 🔗

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=49rAlzU7WlY
The Mask Slips

A video by Dave Cullen, discussing the recent EU corona virus pledging session, with lots of leaders, including Merkel, Trudeau, and Boris, pledging to give taxpayer’s money to Gavi and CEPI (i.e. vaccine production), using words like “solidarity” (how very Communist of them) and the WHO leader promising to leave “no one behind (ie mandatory vaccines??)

103734 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #1469 of 1481 🔗

Obesity increases risk of Covid-19 death by 48%, study finds Comprehensive study suggests vaccine may not work as well for overweight people

…Popkin said vaccine developers should look at the data from their clinical trials for the obesity effect, even where they have an overall benefit. “They might just then have to consider this and do some testing in the vaccine to get it to work better for obese people.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/26/obesity-increases-risk-of-covid-19-death-by-48-study-finds

An odd statement. Obesity makes it more likely you get ill so the conclusion is that you need to make a vaccine that somehow gets around that fact, as if you wouldn’t just be producing the most effective vaccine you could.

This article also chimes with another article the other day saying that Britain’s ‘cheap food’ is helping to spread Covid because the workers are living in poor conditions. There seems to be a push towards making food more expensive in Britain – for our own good, of course. Or, to put it another way, to reduce the supply of food in Britain.

103738 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Barney McGrew, #1470 of 1481 🔗

Johnson and co already have that in hand. It’s called Brexit.

103752 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 9, #1471 of 1481 🔗

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https://www.lockdowntruth.org/post/first-ideas-for-my-ten-point-plan

Me again…

This is a rough idea of what I want to do to get simple but critical FACTS across to the masses.

I want to avoid opinions and areas considered by some to be “conspiracy theories” as they put people off.

As much as possible I want to use the government’s own data and words so we are just pointing out FACTS.

I know I quote Fauci but that is a FACT! He tells lies also.

I’m not a writer or a doctor though I do work a bit in epidemiology.

Please comment on the text and suggest your own.

Remember, the point of this diagram it to show that cases are rubbish, deaths are nearly at zero and the “Second Wave” is not something to worry about.

Please show it to someone who is not a sceptic and let us know what they think.

Thanks

103756 ▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1472 of 1481 🔗

Brilliant visual – really clear!

103759 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Kath Andrews, #1473 of 1481 🔗

Thanks!

103761 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1474 of 1481 🔗

very very good

103763 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to wendy, #1475 of 1481 🔗

Thanks!

103801 ▶▶ Eve, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1476 of 1481 🔗

It’s great! The only thing I would ponder (as this is aimed at the true believers of the pandemic) is the large title “It’s gone!” – will people look at this and experience *brain shutdown* and refuse to read any more?

Perhaps use the main title as an invitation to look further; something less “in your face” and matter of fact?

Just my two cents! Good luck with this!

104044 ▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Eve, 1, #1477 of 1481 🔗

Hi LD, fantastic! Really well done! I do agree with Eve that possible “IT’S GONE” could be replaced by “SECOND WAVE?” and “NO SECOND WAVE” replaced by “It’s Gone!” …

But that’s my humble 2 pence.

I always find graphs such as this which show deaths, cases, *and* hospitalisations in the same visual quite striking as well – I’ve found people can digest those three metrics visually quite easily and shows the broken link not just between cases and deaths, but cases and hospitalisations as well.

But that might make the graphic too “busy”.

Anyway, nice job, if you don’t mind I’ve downloaded it and added it to my lockdown cheat-sheet (my Quick Facts type sheet I brush up on whenever I know I’ll be meeting Zero-Risk Zealots – sadly within my colleagues and family!).

Cheers
Dave

103762 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 4, #1478 of 1481 🔗

During the Vietnam war the refuseniks burnt their draft cards.

How about a mass burning of face masks? Maybe at the London protest this weekend?

Difficult for me though, I haven’t got one.

103794 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Old Bill, 2, #1479 of 1481 🔗

Not a problem, you can burn an old sock, t-shirt or tea towel all of which have been suggested as suitable for use as face coverings.

103865 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1480 of 1481 🔗

I’e heard that coaches have been hired from all parts of the country. What’s the betting police begin stopping them on motorways before they can get to London.?

103798 mjr, 1, #1481 of 1481 🔗

WEDNESDAY’S PAGE has arrived wheezing up the hill and thinking of doing a u turn like fatso johnson
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116Julian8, 1, 3, 2, 2, 19, 0, 0, 8, 3, 7, 11, 1, 1, 6, 13, 12, 13, 6
110Winston Smith8, 8, 2, 0, 8, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 12, 13, 2, 5, 5, 12, 0, 31
102Bart Simpson1143, 7, 0, 3, 4, 0, 2, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 8, 3, 4, 1, 2, 2, 0, 0, 11, 0, 0
98Sarigan71, 1, 1, 14, 2, 1, 5, 4, 12, 0, 5, 6, 5, 10, 24
92Nick Rose2, 8, 1, 1, 3, 7, 0, 1, 2, 5, 1, 0, 1, 5, 2, 0, 4, 2, 5, 2, 4, 4, 1, 8, 6, 4, 3, 6, 0, 0, 4
90Liam16, 3, 14, 5, 6, 10, 1, 35
88AN other lockdown sceptic132, 11, 15, 6, 3, 4, 3, 12, 8, 0, 0, 8, 3
84Achilles18, 26, 38, 2
83Darryl54, 6, 3, 2, 10, 6, 2
83MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG44, 46, 9, 1, 3, 0, 9, 2, 0, 2, 3, 0
81Cecil B12, 2, 19, 25, 23, 0, 0
81Sir Patrick Vaccine1515, 5, 4, 21, 8, 3, 10
77A. Contrarian3, 9, 2, 27, 27, 0, 8, 1
77Mark3, 5, 0, 1, 1, 5, 1, 8, 19, 7, 5, 0, 0, 1, 0, 11, 0, 7, 1, 2, 0
76Tyneside Tigress12, 1, 9, 5, 1, 2, 4, 6, 11, 2, 5, 2, 12, 4