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103758 BJJ, replying to BJJ, #1 of 1520 🔗


103764 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to BJJ, #2 of 1520 🔗


103925 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to BJJ, #3 of 1520 🔗


103768 james, #4 of 1520 🔗

just missed out

103773 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 20, #5 of 1520 🔗

You may have heard in the news that Stanley, Co Durham had an outbreak ‘of cases’. Well, at the start of the week a Covid Testing Centre was set up in the town’s car park, taking up about a third of the available spaces. I thought I would pop along to take a look and perhaps take some photos.

I parked around the corner and walked along the side of the site. I managed to get off one photo before a young man came up to me.

‘Are you alright he said’
‘Very well thank you’ I replied.
‘It looked like you were talking a photograph’.
‘Well, it’s news’, I replied.
‘We would rather you didn’t, as some people might not want their picture taken’.
‘But they are wearing masks, no one can recognise them’, I replied (couldn’t resist a cheap shot).
‘Well, I can’t stop you he said’.

But I decided not to push it as he had been very polite.

There were about four cars queuing to get in and it otherwise seed pretty deserted. You can see people sitting around in the Gazebo.

If you are interested, you can see the photo here:
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103774 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to Basileus, 38, #6 of 1520 🔗

I know we’ve asked this question before – but why on earth are people volunteering to be tested? Don’t they realise that they could contribute to a local lockdown?

103777 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to The Spingler, 20, #7 of 1520 🔗

A tragic lack of cognitive ability.

103781 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to The Spingler, 33, #8 of 1520 🔗

Of course not. They’ve been scared out of their wits. They probably got a bacon roll from a local cafe that was owned by someone whose brother bought a second hand clock from a random off the local buy sell page on Facebook. And guess what? That individual, it turned out, visited Leicester two months ago to buy some clothes and, you know what, they got the Covid-19.

I’m off to spray myself in Mr Sheen

104107 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to BeBopRockSteady, -21, #9 of 1520 🔗

What’s the Leicester comment about, smart arse?

It’s not clever. I’m not laughing.

104411 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to John P, 1, #10 of 1520 🔗

I don’t suppose you’ve ever laughed that much. Cheer up Gary.

104225 ▶▶▶▶ Catherine123, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #11 of 1520 🔗

In the words of Take That, “let it shine”,

103784 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to The Spingler, 6, #12 of 1520 🔗

Sumfink for free innit

103924 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Cecil B, 8, #13 of 1520 🔗

Yes, just like our “free” health system. I think the useless PCR test is charged to the tax payer at £120 a pop… nice work if you can get it…

104177 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Will, 1, #14 of 1520 🔗

4 million per day.

104103 ▶▶▶ Caro7777, replying to The Spingler, 3, #15 of 1520 🔗

Or, if over 70 and test positive, they risk being refused admission to hospital.

104237 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to The Spingler, #16 of 1520 🔗

They’re advertising voluntary testing for school kids here in Uppsala (Sweden) – no idea what the take-up is like and if it is the PCR or antibody test they’re offering. Not sure how widely they’re advertising – I just saw it on Facebook..

103778 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basileus, 6, #17 of 1520 🔗

Security staff at my local testing station say people still turn up to take selfies, they do what they can to stop that.
Seems my small city has sprouted a second one in a sports stadium, no publicity about it, could be just for those about to go for a hospital appointment* which are slowly starting to gear up.

*test obligatory.

103800 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to karenovirus, 12, #18 of 1520 🔗

They have no authority to stop people taking photos. They have no authority at all, for anything. They should be told to f.off.

103826 ▶▶▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to Tenchy, 1, #19 of 1520 🔗

That parking lot is a privately controlled space, though. So they do have the right to stop you, as long as the owner authorised them.

103919 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #20 of 1520 🔗

Are pubs privately controlled spaces?

104347 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to richard riewer, #21 of 1520 🔗

They used to be. But that would have made tobacco prohibition more difficult. So now they’re a bit of both.

104706 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JohnB, #22 of 1520 🔗

So they adjusted the law to suit their agenda.

105277 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to richard riewer, #23 of 1520 🔗

Oh yes.

104115 ▶▶▶▶▶ InfiniteDissent, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #24 of 1520 🔗

Only if you’re actually standing on their land when you take the photo. If you’re standing on adjacent public land you’re entirely outside of their jurisdiction.

104269 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #25 of 1520 🔗

As long as your take your picture from public land there is fuck all they can do about it.

104230 ▶▶▶ Catherine123, replying to karenovirus, 3, #26 of 1520 🔗

Not going to lie, the red tent signalling the Covid testing station in my small town was on my route to my parents’ house. I saw ONE car there the whole of the lockdown and I must have passed it three to four times a week for months.

104272 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Catherine123, 4, #27 of 1520 🔗

Bet it provided loads of positive tests

103803 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Basileus, 8, #28 of 1520 🔗

Mrs Tenchy went shopping to Leeds last week. Drove into the Park&Ride car park without realising the whole site had been taken over for a testing centre. She then had to struggle to find somewhere to park in the city centre.

103775 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 70, #29 of 1520 🔗

It looks like I will not be teaching in school next term as I refuse to teach in a classroom where the pupils are wearing masks.j

103787 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Basileus, 4, #30 of 1520 🔗

Is the mandate only in corridors and only in areas that have a higher infection rate (i.e. locked down areas)?

103790 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stewart, 10, #31 of 1520 🔗

For now

103799 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 23, #32 of 1520 🔗

To me it seems as if the government has found a way to give a non-mandate mandate. In corridors only in schools in locked down areas is practically nowhere.

The government is trying to look like its doing something without actually doing anything, just to appease the hysterics.

103802 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to stewart, 21, #33 of 1520 🔗

But they have given free rein to heads to introduce masks as they see fit and it’s already happening .

103812 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Charlie Blue, 27, #34 of 1520 🔗

Yep, passed the buck.
Children are now at the mercy of the most hysterical, selfish teachers.

104171 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stewart, 7, #35 of 1520 🔗

And at the mercy of a minority of seriously stupid parents.

104511 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #36 of 1520 🔗

Not this parent though Cheez, as soon as the masks are mandatory the kids are coming out of school and being home educated.

107280 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ commononsense, replying to Arnie, #37 of 1520 🔗

there is a letter template here that you might find helpful.

104441 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to stewart, #38 of 1520 🔗

From memory, that’s nearly all of them.

103836 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 28, #39 of 1520 🔗

They’ve given free rein to everyone everywhere to insist on masks, forever, and the government can say it’s not their fault.

They have given an irrevocable licence to health and safety fascism

The genie cannot be put back into the bottle, ever

Even if the government removes all the mask laws, organisations will impose their own rules

103842 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Julian, 25, #40 of 1520 🔗

And human beings will defy them.

103849 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to annie, 7, #41 of 1520 🔗

Well we will, anyway. 🙂 BTW, Annie, I posted on yesterday’s thread about kids being ‘fucked up’ by what’s going on and quoted from ‘This be the Verse’ by Philip Larkin (They Fuck you up, your Mum and Dad etc.) . I wondered if you would fancy doing a job on it. I think it’s made for you! MW

103851 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #42 of 1520 🔗

I’ll have a try!

103970 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, 2, #43 of 1520 🔗

Damn right.

103853 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Julian, 54, #44 of 1520 🔗

There is a way to resist this. If a school mandates masks, any parent can write to the Head and ask him or her to confirm that wearing a mask carries no health risk to their child.

Unless the Head is a kamikaze he (or she) will not give any such reassurance. And on the basis of that I would feel perfectly comfortable sending my child to school with no mask and a note from home saying that the Head can’t guarantee it won’t be harmful to my child.

103868 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to stewart, 9, #45 of 1520 🔗

I think that’s an excellent approach and the one I would take if mine were still school age

104390 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to Julian, 3, #46 of 1520 🔗

My eldest grandchild, 4 years and 8 months, is starting school next week. I am dreading the government saying that primary school children will have to wear them. To think of her muzzled wold make me weep. My daughter tells me that they have staggered start and finish times to lessen the chances of people coming into contact with one another. So you could quite easily have 3 children all at the same school all starting and finishing at different times.

104581 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Proudtobeapeasant, 2, #47 of 1520 🔗

Family friend has more than one child at the same school, different age groups, yes, you are right, staggered start [& finish] times. Parents not allowed to wait with children in school playground or other parts of school grounds. So drop one child off, leave premises, wait 10-15 minutes, drop child #2 off, etc, etc. Est. 20-30 parents were permitted to use the car park, for various reasons eg. health ailments, mobility issues. – nobody allowed to do that now, to maintain social distancing… everybody is however permitted to congregate all together in large groups directly next to the school gates, & those who previously parked inside the school will have to find somewhere to park, & in some cases deal with the health issues that make life difficult eg. walking potentially long distances to the school gates…I’m sure nothing could possibly go wrong with this…..

103902 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stuart Barker, replying to stewart, 8, #48 of 1520 🔗

Absolutely… but the problem is it really puts your child in the spotlight.

104367 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Stuart Barker, 3, #49 of 1520 🔗

Yeah, Channel 5 News Lined up four kids all saying they were OK with masks. Probably primed. But shameful all the same.

104477 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Stuart Barker, #50 of 1520 🔗

Then keep the child away from the school.

103997 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to stewart, 10, #51 of 1520 🔗

Excellent! I was going to just lurk today, but this deserves a response. If they DO give the assurance, every single cold, sniffle, spot, runny nose, sore throat, &c you can sue them over. Remember to ask them to confirm it in writing…

104113 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fed up, replying to stewart, #52 of 1520 🔗

Yes, I think that’s a good idea. If anyone could post in one place any articles of the health risks of masks that would be useful

103946 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Julian, #54 of 1520 🔗

Which was always the intention when they started emphasising Public Health a decade or so ago.

104119 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ InfiniteDissent, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #55 of 1520 🔗

It was already happening before. Individual schools were demanding masks even when the government guidance said they were not recommended.

103813 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stewart, 6, #56 of 1520 🔗

Takes just one tweet to make it all over schools and all over the country.

103886 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to stewart, 10, #57 of 1520 🔗

I think you are right there. It is mostly for show. Like the £3,200 fine limit for travelling on public transport without a mask which is never going to be imposed.

104109 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fed up, replying to stewart, 3, #58 of 1520 🔗

A bit like increasing the fines for frequent non-compliance of the mask lores. Smoke and mirrors. Problem is they’ve pulled this trick once too often and their slight of hand is becoming very obvious.

104169 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stewart, #59 of 1520 🔗

It’s not nowhere here – it will affect my granddaugher!

103945 ▶▶▶ alw, replying to stewart, 13, #60 of 1520 🔗

We have a very clever virus that knows not to infect classrooms but corridors and public spaces.

104183 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to alw, #61 of 1520 🔗

Where pupils are on the move and in close contact for less than a second, masks are clearly vital!

104733 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Cheezilla, #62 of 1520 🔗

Yes, Johnson has got it right again, he never fails to impress.

103789 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basileus, 7, #63 of 1520 🔗

Good on you. You could do it and start on the inside. More ground to be gained that way.

You’d ruin your career for the near future but it would certainly make headlines if, in your class, you simply told student sto take them off as your policy.

103810 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Basileus, 19, #64 of 1520 🔗

It’s people like you that stood up and were counted in 1930’s Germany, in communist East Germany, and on numerous other occasions where good eventually triumphed or evil.

103815 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basileus, 9, #65 of 1520 🔗

Who was that nurse in pre-communist China famous for

‘Girls, take off your shoes’

Shoes that were deliberately designed
to deform girls feet in pursuit of some religious or cultural fantasy.

103837 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 15, #66 of 1520 🔗

And if the Beeb announced today that cutting off girls’ toes would protect against Covid, out would come the choppers.

104041 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 6, #67 of 1520 🔗

Inn Of The Sixth Happiness (movie).

‘Take off your bindings”

104400 ▶▶▶▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to karenovirus, 2, #68 of 1520 🔗

That was Gladys Aylward.

104130 ▶▶▶ InfiniteDissent, replying to karenovirus, 6, #69 of 1520 🔗

Foot binding was much worse than uncomfortable shoes. A horrific practice in which the foot was literally broken and folded back on itself before being tightly bound. Even if the girls took off their bindings it would probably have been too late to make any difference without reconstructive surgery.

104195 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to InfiniteDissent, 3, #70 of 1520 🔗

It was a form of hobbling. Apparently men found the “lotus feet” highly erotic.

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104235 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #71 of 1520 🔗


104804 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to InfiniteDissent, #72 of 1520 🔗

Off the top of my head I knew it was about feet, didn’t have time fof a quick Google until a bit later.

103819 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Basileus, 2, #73 of 1520 🔗

Is anyone asking you to do so?

103776 James Bertram, replying to James Bertram, 21, #74 of 1520 🔗

Excellent piece on John Redwood’s Diary today – Freedom NOW.
It looks like he’s beginning to become, of all things, a sceptic.
Can he and his colleagues force a reverse in the Government’s current insane policies and direction; even help to take this government down?
Let’s raise a glass: ‘All power to his elbow’.

103785 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to James Bertram, 14, #75 of 1520 🔗

Hopefully, he’s also saying this to his colleagues. Not much use just putting it on his website.

103795 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to James Bertram, 33, #76 of 1520 🔗

As of today, we have now had four Tory MPs speaking out against Boris. Poster on Telegraph (assume a CCHQ stooge) trying to link it to the anti-Brexit wing of the party. Not true though, as the four Tories are Marcus Fysh (Brexiter), Huw Merriman (Remainer), John Redwood (Brexiter), and highly significantly, Charles Walker (Remainer, and deputy chair of the 1922). The letters are starting to arrive on Sir Graham Brady’s desk, I suspect.

103957 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to James Bertram, 16, #77 of 1520 🔗

Boris has got to go regardless. Even if they get a grip on him and do manage to alter course, he obviously can’t be trusted with the keys to a Ford Escort, never mind the bloody country !

104486 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to James Bertram, 3, #78 of 1520 🔗

Five months too late. I hope we are not going to forgive this car crash shit show of a party because now, after five months, four of them are saying something.

105178 ▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Ovis, #79 of 1520 🔗

Definitely not, Ovis.
Haven’t forgiven them for delaying Brexit either.

103779 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 36, #80 of 1520 🔗

Today is the day Germany has officially become a fascist state again.
Berlin’s government has forbidden the planned demonstration on 29.8., with a purely ideological reasoning.

Proper Democracy in Germany lasted 71 years and two weeks, from 14.8.1949, to 28.8.2020.

103793 ▶▶ smurfs, replying to Jay Berger, 23, #81 of 1520 🔗

The 1.2 million plus crowd at the last demonstration are not likely to be cowered, are they?

103995 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jay Berger, 13, #82 of 1520 🔗

A lot of people have already organised hotels, travel etc. Berlin will see an influx of tourists going for a walk, probably dressed in T-shirts with slogans on.
I suggest they should do protests in every little and large town, if you cannot congregate in one place, at least do it all at the same time. That way they can also reach more individuals, as MSM hardly mentioned the last demo on the 1.8.
I have confidence in my fellow German that they will tackle this government and democracy and common sense will win.

104006 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #83 of 1520 🔗

Merkel? Christian Democrat? Pfttt!

104012 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jay Berger, 11, #84 of 1520 🔗

Come and demonstrate in London! I was going to stay at home until the mask lunacy spread, so come hell or high water I will be in London. Freedom-lovers from absolutely ANYWHERE will be welcome!
(Same date btw, Sat 29th August)

104015 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #85 of 1520 🔗

PS If you cross the Channel by rubber dinghy, you might even get free accommodation out of it!

104595 ▶▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #86 of 1520 🔗

Or a Partnership. Apparently most of those folk are highly qualified Lawyers & Doctors!

104176 ▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #87 of 1520 🔗

See you there!

104365 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #88 of 1520 🔗

Bet they wouldn’t have forbidden a BLM demonstration though.

104597 ▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #89 of 1520 🔗

Well someone not long ago identified as a baby grand piano… can these protestors not identify as anti-racism activists?

104242 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John Stone, #91 of 1520 🔗

I’d forgotten about this. Thanks for the reminder.
He’s not just a blunderer then. In it up to the ears!

103782 smurfs, replying to smurfs, 29, #92 of 1520 🔗

My protest t-shirt with Vernon Coleman’s slogan arrived in the post today.

As I could not find any preprinted t-shirts for sale online I hacked the UK Government propaganda image using Inkscape, changed the text and uploaded it to ShirtPot , a design your own t-shirt web site in which I have no vested interest (thought I’d mention that to avoid any doubt :).

I have uploaded the png images here if you decide to create your own t-shirt or hoodie. One has a transparent background (which I used on my yellow shirt) and the other a yellow background. The 1858 x 1906 pixel resolution prints out perfectly fine on A4 which appears to be the image size used on my t-shirt. If you need the image to be larger, i.e. have a higher resolution, then I suggest you look for help from a pro designer which I am not.

In any event, feel free to use the images as you wish.

103806 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to smurfs, 11, #93 of 1520 🔗

Well done!!! That slogan should be disseminated far and wide!

103958 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to smurfs, 6, #94 of 1520 🔗

I think we could do with a site with lots of these kinds of things. Something we can just print off and stick over the multitude of covid propaganda that’s infesting our towns and cities!

104233 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to NonCompliant, 1, #95 of 1520 🔗

Great idea.

104226 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to smurfs, 1, #96 of 1520 🔗

Might be worth sending that to Simon Dolan – sure he would like it!

104232 ▶▶ Lili, replying to smurfs, #97 of 1520 🔗

That’s a great T-shirt. I’d have a black one.

103783 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #98 of 1520 🔗

Second opinion needed from one of our friends in Scotland. When Boris was on holiday last week, was it hot and sunny? Just watched him being interviewed on Sky, and if I’m not mistaken, he seems to be sporting a ‘healthy glow’ around the hairline near the left hand parting. Some of the holiday in Greece, I wonder!

103822 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #99 of 1520 🔗

Hasn’t been hot and sunny since April

103832 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stefarm, 3, #100 of 1520 🔗

He was in Devon, Appledore, yesterday, pissed down all day.

103829 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #101 of 1520 🔗

Wind burn?

103841 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Basics, 10, #102 of 1520 🔗

Carpet burn after one of his weekly sessions with Nicola “S*rap-on” Sturgeon”?

104027 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #103 of 1520 🔗

Please! Am in the middle of afternoon tea… lol

103907 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Basics, 1, #104 of 1520 🔗

drinking too much Irn Bru

104244 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #105 of 1520 🔗

Should have needed that bobble hat it if were sunny!

103788 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 2, #106 of 1520 🔗

The dictator was educated? Who knew?

103831 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cecil B, 1, #107 of 1520 🔗

Dragged up not brought up

103953 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Julian, #108 of 1520 🔗

Drugged up

103792 Ewan Duffy, 5, #109 of 1520 🔗

Nice to see the seatbelt example cited – after all, the Isles report on the impact of seat belts
concluded that a law making the wearing of seat belts compulsory “has not led to a detectable change in road death rates”. (source http://www.john-adams.co.uk/2007/01/04/seat-belt-legislation-and-the-isles-report/ )

103797 Ben Shirley, replying to Ben Shirley, 14, #110 of 1520 🔗

Now here’s a funny thing. I’ve been getting out to quite a few events since the end of May, when they started to happen unofficially. They’ve all been a great breath of fresh air (no pun intended) without all the mask bollocks, people shaking hands and generally being normal. However, when people have discussed these events online before or after they happen, they often mention how social distancing will take place or how it did take place, when it didn’t.

It’s a very odd thing to lie about. Why do people feel the need to pretend to be distancing? Are they scared that there will be a presumption of irresponsibility? They’re clearly scared of something and it’s not the virus.

103811 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Ben Shirley, 28, #111 of 1520 🔗

The people I know who are in favour of the lockdown, social distancing and mask wearing, all broke the lockdown rules, observed social distancing erratically and mostly do not wear masks and when they do, wear them incorrectly. As far as I can tell, they are in favour of such measures for other people .

103817 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Steve Hayes, 18, #112 of 1520 🔗

Agreed. I’ve seen the same thing here. I think it’s nothing more than virtue signalling. Back in the early days our neighbours asked my wife if we went outside to clap for the NHS and were shocked we didn’t. Obviously, if they were outside clapping they’d have seen we weren’t there.

103843 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Andrew Fish, 4, #113 of 1520 🔗

If it isn’t on Facebook it didn’t happen

103896 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #114 of 1520 🔗

Yes, for the great unwashed, which never includes themselves.

103828 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ben Shirley, 3, #115 of 1520 🔗

Probably the same people who would plod around the village behind the large crucifix waving candles even though they did not know what they were supposed to believe.
I think it’s called Totemic.

103839 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ben Shirley, 14, #116 of 1520 🔗

“Enjoyed the Dumwell Folk Festival and Fete at the weekend, socially distanced of course”


103895 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Ben Shirley, 6, #117 of 1520 🔗

Yes I see this all the time. Assurances that social distancing will be in place and then completely ignored. They’re just doing it to cover themselves I reckon.

Also, we all know how some people react if you tell them you don’t do social distancing. Sometimes it’s easier to avoid that and just to pretend that you do.

104141 ▶▶▶ InfiniteDissent, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #118 of 1520 🔗

It’s like transgenderism. Everybody knows it’s a lie but pretends to go along with it to avoid the shouting (and possible police investigation).

103933 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Ben Shirley, 6, #119 of 1520 🔗

Possibly they are scared of a lecture like I got from several people on my blog for saying I didn’t wear a mask for medical reasons and saying they were concerned. The only way to silence them was to say “I distanced”, which is something I always do as I dislike feeling crowded.

103955 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 9, #120 of 1520 🔗

“I didn’t inhale”

104019 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #121 of 1520 🔗

If you spend most of your time fiddling on your smartphones and shy away from interacting with others then you are already practicing social distancing. I noticed this many times in the Starbuck’s café that I frequent in Montreal. People even walk down the street, twiddling their thumbs on the keypad, eyes fixed on their phone, not looking where they’re going. Almost had a few headon collisions with some of them.

104277 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ben Shirley, 2, #123 of 1520 🔗

This was posted yesterday, but think it’s definitely worth a second laugh!


104296 ▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #124 of 1520 🔗

I’ve just been talking to a visitor from Essex (I’m in Norfolk) complaining about all the visitors here! (A bit like people stuck in a traffic jam complaining about the traffic.) She said she was staying for a fortnight and hoped that after the Bank Holiday “they would all go back”.

I hope I managed to keep a straight face throughout.

104427 ▶▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to Ben Shirley, 1, #125 of 1520 🔗

In the case of clubs, like for instance Cycling UK, of which I am a non-lycra wearing and non-helmet wearing member, I think they do it just so it looks like they are following the rules, and they don’t necessarily obey them when out cycling. But just the fact that they say it annoys me intensely and puts me off going. Cycling UK, the old CTC, has got far too politically correct lately so I probably won’t be renewing my membership anyway.

103808 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 12, #126 of 1520 🔗

No apologies for promoting the anti masks in schools petition at change again. http://chng.it/vzhWKjtL6M

Signatures have been climbing steadily since last night. Call me paranoid but every concession that is made to hysteria is just another descent on the slippery slope.

103991 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Charlie Blue, 9, #127 of 1520 🔗

Pity they used change.org

104385 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #128 of 1520 🔗

It’s the one way ratchet effect.
If you give them a mm they will take it all.
The biggest requirement is for automatic time limits on all laws.

103809 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 4, #129 of 1520 🔗

Repost as topical Toby’s page.
According to my Chambers 20C dictionary:
‘To wear” eg facemask.
1) ‘to be dressed in’


and to my surprise, “to edge, guide, conduct as sheep into a fold (Scot):

“to tolerate, accept, or believe.”

Lots of room for mischief making there,
” but I am wearing it miss it’s in me pocket”

,” but I am wearing it miss, I believe in it hundred percent”

103838 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 4, #130 of 1520 🔗

conduct as sheep into a fold.
Yes indeed.

103956 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 2, #131 of 1520 🔗

Well spotted Annie

104241 ▶▶ Lili, replying to karenovirus, 2, #132 of 1520 🔗

It also means this: ‘ damage, erode, or destroy by friction or use’.

104805 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lili, #133 of 1520 🔗

“I am wearing it miss, look it’s nearly all gone!”

104446 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #134 of 1520 🔗

by Alex, of A Clockwork Orange.
1. “No time for the old in-out in-out, love. Just came to check the meter.”

50 years later,
“No time for the old in-out in-out, love…
I forgot my mask.

Or something like that.

103814 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 16, #135 of 1520 🔗

I disagree with the pharmaceutical researcher who wrote to you, Toby. He says:

What is so utterly ridiculous is that the potential risks/benefits of face coverings are completely testable with appropriately designed studies

I don’t think this is true. Testing of individuals cannot show whether we need there to be transmission of viruses between people in order to keep our immune systems ‘topped up’ – this could be something that only shows up years later. Nor can testing show the long term psychological effects, or the potential for illnesses from breathing in fibres and chemicals from dubious materials that have not yet been imported etc. etc.

Arguing whether masks ‘work’ based on testing is a red herring – and an argument that opponents of masks could easily lose. If the virus is gone, anyway, then it’s pointless. And even if masks do cut transmission of the virus, this may not be beneficial in all circumstances. There are also unquantifiable, untestable downsides. It’s the wrong argument to be having.

104792 ▶▶ rational actor, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #136 of 1520 🔗

Not entirely. Masks do active harm to the people who are forced to wear them for long periods of time, and this is what we should be focusing on. Even if masks really were effective, there are many downsides to mandating their constant use. If they aren’t effective (and they’re not), then the government is harming people for no good cause. In addition to this, we need to be asking why public health officials are so cavalier about the dangers of mask use. Very few of them have anything to say about this, and it appears to me to be a weak point with them.

103816 Cbird, replying to Cbird, 14, #137 of 1520 🔗

Good interview with Denise Welch questioning the msm narrative: https://youtu.be/OorfiaOqQnA

103862 ▶▶ Klein, replying to Cbird, 3, #138 of 1520 🔗

Yeah fair play to her. You can see she’s pissed off too

103821 Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 14, #139 of 1520 🔗

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103885 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 3, #140 of 1520 🔗

Just listened to all three episodes so far, well done!!

103900 ▶▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #141 of 1520 🔗

Cheers Bart! Glad you liked it!

103983 ▶▶▶▶ james, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 1, #142 of 1520 🔗

Love the logo

104448 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 1, #143 of 1520 🔗

Send hundreds of copies of this logo to PM Boris.

104875 ▶▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to richard riewer, #144 of 1520 🔗

Haha! He’d never see them. Cronies wouldn’t allow it.

103823 annie, replying to annie, 12, #145 of 1520 🔗

The Daily Fail states as fact:

Cotton masks lower the risk of infection by 54 per cent and paper masks by 39 per cent.


Yer what???

103830 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to annie, 12, #146 of 1520 🔗

Those teachers are great aren’t they. They couldn’t go back to work because it wasn’t “safe” then, as soon as it is safe and silly masks are added, all will be chaos and impossible to manage.
Give me strength……………………

103966 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Polemon2, 9, #147 of 1520 🔗

I have no time for the way teachers behaved back in June but I do not envy them should classroom masking become a thing.
20% of the class determined to be as uncooperative as possible, whether through commendable skepticism or bloody mindedness, 20% convinced ‘we’re all gonna die if maskless’ and the rest veering(?sp) one way or the other.

Can’t see much teaching getting done.

104144 ▶▶▶▶ InfiniteDissent, replying to karenovirus, 1, #148 of 1520 🔗

Besides, the more opposition to mask-wearing the better, no matter who it comes from.

104440 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to karenovirus, 1, #149 of 1520 🔗

In some of my classes (when I was a youngster) naughty boys used to hum if they thought the lesson was boring – the idea being that their lips weren’t moving so the teacher wouldn’t know who it was. With masks they could do a lot more than hum!

103969 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to annie, 2, #150 of 1520 🔗

54 per cent of what exactly? Infection? So how does that number translate to me, in a shop 2m apart from someone who has a minimal chance of being infected given the fact of little so called cases, which may not be real cases. Then, do they even have symptoms, and even then they may not be shedding enough virus to any significance for long enough to get it into the air. And such studies are inconclusive so a margin of error is advisable.

But forget that. I feel 54 per cent safer and that’s all that matters.

104388 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to annie, 1, #151 of 1520 🔗

Masks prevent virus transfer the same way that underwear prevents smell transfer.

103824 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 14, #152 of 1520 🔗

Got an email from a reader who’s understandably angry about public sector employees refusing to return to work because it’s “too dangerous”.

More “divide and conquer”. It’s the same old thing: give people free stuff so they agree with you, but now with a 2020 corona twist. The country is in economic freefall and people don’t want for the lockdown to end because it’s nice being on paid vacation for months on end. Meanwhile, people that have lost their jobs or are about to due to massive layoffs can’t make their case because the furlough class is calling them all “anti science”, “dangerous”, “ignorants”.
A great deal of the measures employed by the government are aimed at dividing people and setting them against eachother. This has got to stop.

103869 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #153 of 1520 🔗

Presumably it would be quite easy to record that zoom coffee morning.

103977 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #154 of 1520 🔗

Nobody in the public sector laid up at home on 100% is in fear of losing their jobs.
If bojo was a real leader he would use the opportunity to root out those that are not really needed , perhaps part of Cummings’ plan.

104060 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #155 of 1520 🔗

It’s going to stop. Furlough will end, and many of us stuck on furlough (some of us hate it btw, fear for employment prospects, etc) will be joining those laid off. Then because we can no longer afford so large a public sector, most of those gloaters will be joining us too.

104062 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #156 of 1520 🔗

Btw, if this shitshow continues much longer, there will be massive hunger/starvation in this country, as well as the Third World. I’m beginning to doubt that I, and many of my countrymen, will still be alive at the end of next year.

103825 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 6, #157 of 1520 🔗

More covid hokey cokey from the woeful Johnson. Is it just me who thinks he can’t be so bad and maybe he’s trying to manufacture his own demise? Or worse, undermine the government to delay/postpone Brexit? (Always an EU ploy to interfere in national politics)

103827 ▶▶ Julian, replying to T. Prince, 14, #158 of 1520 🔗

I think he’s really that bad. He got spooked by Ferguson and the media hoo-ha and hasn’t really recovered since.

104454 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, #159 of 1520 🔗

Stop giving him the benefit of the doubt. His initial idea was to go with herd immunity and I was very impressed. What happened to change his mind? Who knows?

104509 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to richard riewer, #160 of 1520 🔗

Bojo has brains but lacks balls. The one without the other is useless.

104701 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ovis, #161 of 1520 🔗

Brain, no brawn.

103833 stevie119, replying to stevie119, 27, #162 of 1520 🔗

Our local MP Marcus Fysh would appear to be a full on sceptic! From his twittery thing. No @BorisJohnson
this is utterly wrong. Masks should be banned in schools. The country should be getting back to normal not pandering to this scientifically illiterate guff

104512 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to stevie119, 2, #163 of 1520 🔗

What’s he been doing for the last five months?

103834 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 8, #164 of 1520 🔗

Here’s another graph . This one visually compares tests with positive results on the same scale. Deaths are on there also but you can’t see them very well as they as so small.

103844 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Lockdown Truth, 2, #165 of 1520 🔗

You could try a log scale.

103926 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Andrew Fish, 4, #166 of 1520 🔗

Well I want to shock the general public. I’ll probably save this one for a physical poster!

104063 ▶▶▶▶ hat man, replying to Lockdown Truth, #167 of 1520 🔗

Not sure why, but when I open this link the timescale along the bottom isn’t visible, nor are the values on the vertical axis.

103930 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to Lockdown Truth, 4, #168 of 1520 🔗

Hello Truth,

ok, you were asking for ideas to get the message over – I think you have hit on a winner with this graph.

Personally I like it on linear scale – shows more clearly how small the positives and deaths are compared to the giant wall of tests. But if you want to save space….

Get it out on Twitter and see if we can get some more converts….

See you all on the 29th, noon, Trafalgar Square !


104067 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Bill h, 3, #169 of 1520 🔗


I have a bigger plan for this and others like it. I’ll let you all know soon as I’ll be asking for more help!

103941 ▶▶ Bill h, replying to Lockdown Truth, 3, #170 of 1520 🔗


could you add axes/legend to the graph and save it into some format that is more easily portable (eg, jpeg, pdf, powerpoint or whatever ?)

would help with getting it out more widely.



103964 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #171 of 1520 🔗

This graph really brings home to scale of the deception! Yes, agree it would be helpful to have some idea of timescale.

103984 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lockdown Truth, #172 of 1520 🔗

It was shown very clearly in an FT link in the round up a couple of weeks ago, I have a screenshot of the graphs to show people, if the conversation gets that far.

104061 ▶▶ Mrs S, replying to Lockdown Truth, #173 of 1520 🔗

That’s brilliant

103835 RickH, replying to RickH, 17, #174 of 1520 🔗

“I f this was a normal clinical intervention then there would be a justified expectation of just such testing before being was rolled out.”

This comment about masks from the research scientist (above) is spot on. We are seeing the perversion of the most basic risk/harm principles in medicine.

103938 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to RickH, 7, #175 of 1520 🔗

The very same people expect their food, water and power to be available to them once considered safe for use, but see no hypocrisy in applying supposition or hypothesis as if it is fact for masks.

104016 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to mhcp, 1, #176 of 1520 🔗

Excellent comparison!

103999 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to RickH, 6, #177 of 1520 🔗

But this isn’t medicine. This is telling the healthy population to wear something on their face.

The danger with regarding it as “medicine” is that some experiments may, indeed, show that it reduces transmission of the virus. So what? Who has decided that that is what we must do? If that principle is established, then further, potentially unlimited, restrictions on freedom logically follow.

104210 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #178 of 1520 🔗

If I kill you now that may prevent you killing 1,000’s with Covid in the future.

103840 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 10, #179 of 1520 🔗

The ultra-woke and ultra-unrealistic zero-Covid Gen Y is ruining the whole world now, with the help of the cowed Xers and Boomers they have intimidated, and of the passive, unindidualistic and incapable to think critical themselves GenZ.
This mankind does not want to and as such does not deserve to live free anymore.

103847 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jay Berger, 11, #180 of 1520 🔗

I despair as I have 40 years minimum more of life, its becoming unbearable and I fear for our future.

That said I am glad that Mr Bart and I have no children. We would be indicted for genocide and/or crimes against humanity. However I have two nieces and its worrying how they will grow up considering the insanity that they have been inflicted with.

103848 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jay Berger, -12, #181 of 1520 🔗

Nothing to do with the old farts who voted for Mr Toad, then?

Do get real.

103859 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 13, #182 of 1520 🔗

This old fart that voted for Mr Toad regrets having done so, because he lacks character and we probably always knew that, but I would contend the problem is that he has given in to forces, by being weak, rather than leading the lockdown nonsense, and those forces are arguably part of a strand of thinking that the PM ought to be on the opposite side of

103916 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 19, #183 of 1520 🔗

You keep repeating this obvious logical fallacy despite it being pointed out to you repeatedly.

However much you might desperately want to, you cannot, as a matter of simple logic, hold people who voted for this government responsible for the coronapanic unless you can point to a plausible alternative government that might not have perpetrated the coronapanic if they had not voted “Conservative”.

Give it up. This panic has not been driven by any “far right”, nor by “Conservative” politicians in or out of office. It’s a consensual hysteria on the part of pretty much the entirety of our political elites, from Labour left to “Conservative” “right”, and the criticism from all senior Labour and LibDem politicians has almost entirely been for not panicking harder and earlier.

The “Conservative” government are still collectively and personally responsible for their own actions, and should suffer the consequences, but there is a lot more blame than just that to go around.

103981 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mark, #184 of 1520 🔗

It’s not a ‘logical fallacy’ – just a fact that political initiative has been in the hands of the right-of-centre for a long time.

This panic has not been driven by any “far right”, nor by “Conservative” politicians in or out of office”

… and I thought that the panic-mongers were the ones in denial of reality!

Stop whining about the outcome of this simple situation just because it doesn’t suit the narrative. I didn’t invent it – it is just is a fact now this outcome has come home to roost. Pretending that it’s all a consequence of left-wing Fairies at the bottom of the garden doesn’t stack up

The complicity of the Blair-Starmer centre-right establishment and also the mickey-mouse ‘left’ doesn’t alter the main fact.

104127 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 3, #185 of 1520 🔗

OK, so I assume you voted Labour in 2001. So you are complicit in the illegal 2004 Iraq War. Hope you can live with that.

104309 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to RickH, #186 of 1520 🔗

Just as all directions are south from the North Pole, all directions are right from the Left Pole. Hope the weather’s OK. You’ll be telling us next that the tax avoiding, Confederate supporting Guradian is right wing.

104401 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to RickH, 2, #187 of 1520 🔗

“Centre right”??? Seriously??
What exactly and specifically makes Blair or Starmer “centre right”??
Blair was a Trotskyist. Starmer is far left but better at hiding it than Corbyn was.
The Left have moved so far to the left they think anyone vaguely to the right of them are “centre right,” and the centrists, classic liberals, classic conservatives are “far right extremists.”

104007 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to RickH, 1, #188 of 1520 🔗

This forum is beginning to resemble twitter.

104703 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to RickH, #189 of 1520 🔗

There was (still is?) an attraction at the first Disneyland, in sunny Southern California, called Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride. Lots of fun. PM Johnson’s? Not so much.

104123 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #190 of 1520 🔗

If they wish to live as slaves, that’s up to them. It’s not all of them. Perhaps this is where, in evolutionary terms at least, the human race is about to divide.

Or, even better, this is when people wake up to the shit, stand up to authority overstepping its boundaries, and we carry on as before.

103845 RickH, replying to RickH, 1, #191 of 1520 🔗

The Rod Liddle comments on the Proms debacle is just Liddle being his usual dimwit self.

A pity, because, there’s many of us with a brain who dislike this exercise in mock worthiness.

But when I see “ the BBC’s left wing bias” I know I’m dealing with the simple-minded. An organisation which spent the pre-election period promulgating anti-Corbyn propaganda in excelsis is hardly ‘left wing’ – as any previous research shows.

As to the whole unnecessary display of nonsense re. ‘Rule Britannia’ and ‘Land of Hope and Glory’ – it’s worth remembering – to put it in perspective that this issue has no connection with other stuff like Brexit – or Lock-Up. Post-referendum, the traditional stuff was sung with great gusto by pro–EU promenaders waving EU flags!

So let’s just stick to the knitting, rather than confuse matters with idiotic assertions using this serious crisis as a hat-peg for hanging the hobby-horse.

103857 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 4, #192 of 1520 🔗

Well I think the BBC has a left-wing bias and I don’t consider myself simple-minded. But I would say that, wouldn’t I? They were anti Corbyn, but pro the Left wing Tories.

Anyway, I agree it’s a distraction and not important right now, and I can’t get excited right now about the Proms and Liddle is pro-lockdown, so not worth bothering with at present

I think the BBC are the enemy though, as they are IMO way more pro-lockdown than the government. They are not simply doing the government’s bidding I don’t think – they are pushing them. We may never know the truth.

Leaving aside possibly irrelevant arguments about whether the BBC is left or right wing, does it not seem to you that they are pushing a strong lockdown line independent of what the government says?

103878 ▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 7, #193 of 1520 🔗

But when I see “the BBC’s left wing bias” I know I’m dealing with the simple-minded. An organisation which spent the pre-election period promulgating anti-Corbyn propaganda in excelsis is hardly ‘left wing’ – as any previous research shows.

Repeating this canard that the BBC is “not left wing” does not make it any less obviously untrue. It’s not remotely plausibly in dispute that, as I have repeatedly pointed out to you, the vast majority of BBC staff support the Labour or LibDem parties, and that almost none of them support the “Conservatives”. Moreover many accounts have emerged of the few self-identified conservatives finding the culture within the BBC extremely hostile.

Here’s Jeremy Paxman in 2017:

“If you asked me what the politics of most people at the BBC are I should say that most people voted Remain, that most people were Labour/Liberal Democrat. I should say that by and large they were liberal with a small l on social issues. I should say that they were people who detested certain kinds of right-wing behaviour…”

For sure, there can be no honest dispute that the BBC wholesale has enthusiastically joined the left’s literal insanity over Trump.

Your error seems to be based mostly on the BBC’s hostility towards Corbyn at the last election. This is not a matter of being anti-leftwing, it’s more one of taking a side in the civil war within the left between Corbynites and Blairites. Was there an element of establishment dirty tricks in the anti-Corbyn campaign? Of course, but that’s irrelevant to the question of where the BBC’s broad political loyalties lie.

On just about every issue that can have a left/right choice on, the vast majority of BBC staff will come down on the left side, rather than a conservative/traditionalist/nationalist side. Persisting in your denial of this against all the evidence clearly must reflect a refusal on your part to accept a personally uncomfortable truth. As a left winger yourself, you doubtless view much of their all pervading leftist assumptions as mere good sense or common decency. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t what it actually is – left wing opinion and left wing indoctrination, when the BBC spreads it around.

104451 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Mark, #194 of 1520 🔗

I can’t confirm the truth of this, but years ago I heard that the BBC advertised mainly in the Guardian when seeking production staff, but mainly in the Telegraph for technical staff.

104630 ▶▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Edward, 1, #195 of 1520 🔗

I believe Peter Sissons (in later years) virtually tore into the BBC more than once, as having a fundamental left-wing bias, sometimes simply parrotting The Guardian’s opinion du jour, and having zero tolerance for seeking diverse opinions or data on many topics, such as climate change.

103899 ▶▶ mjr, replying to RickH, 2, #196 of 1520 🔗

i dont think it is a left/right thing.. It is more a liberal / conservative (small l and c) or metropolitan / non metropolitan split.
after all traditional working class labour voters are anathema to these people

103947 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to mjr, 3, #197 of 1520 🔗

That’s exactly what left/right means. The left is broadly (there are particularist exceptions) radical (liberal in that sense, not in the anti-authoritarian sense), internationalist, and anti-religious while the right is conservative, patriotic, religious.

People on both left and right can be either liberal (in the sense of being anti-authoritarian) or authoritarian to varying degrees. Americans tend to use the term liberal in the previous sense, Brits in this sense.

What left/right absolutely is not is a class divide. Class itself is a leftist concept (obviously) but there have always been working class conservatives and elite leftists. The matter was complicated in the early C20th by socialist appeals to material working class interests – populism, as they would call it if anyone other than their side were doing it.

104407 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to RickH, 1, #198 of 1520 🔗

Being anti Corbyn does not necessarily make someone right wing. It just means they don’t want to elect a Marxist, or to see the Labour party wiped out in an election.

104802 ▶▶ rational actor, replying to RickH, 4, #199 of 1520 🔗

You are wrong. The anti-Corbyn propaganda had much more to do with the fact that he was in many ways a genuine old-fashioned socialist instead of a woke identity politics robot. Opposing Corbyn in that sense was not in any way conservative, it was a complaint that he was not enough of a prog freak to please the superfluous intelligentsia. I despise all these people, but you cannot say the BBC has no left-wing bias because it opposed Corbyn when Corbyn, to them, is a Menshevik in the way of the Bolsheviks.

Failing to connect meaningful issues makes you blinkered. The Proms issue is important because it is another attack on something ordinary people value. Why do this? Why is it so important to the BBC to flip the bird to the entire country at this particular point in time? They aren’t helping to unite and strengthen the nation in any way, but they are kicking people when they are down. This is coming from the same people who were visibly disappointed by Brexit, and who have been shoving woke crap down the throat of the nation in revenge.

If you don’t see any connections here, your analytical skills are not something I would pay for.

104808 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to rational actor, #200 of 1520 🔗

I was listening to the Today Programme when some drudge said “Britains never shall be slaves…” sent the message that it was alright if others were and that at the time Britain was ‘up to its neck in the slave trade’ or similar.
Backtracking the following day the Today presenter flatly denied that any such claim was being made.

105011 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to rational actor, #201 of 1520 🔗

The anti-Corbyn propaganda had much more to do with the fact that he was in many ways a genuine old-fashioned socialist instead of a woke identity politics robot.

Exactly – it was a civil war within the left that the BBC took sides in.

Corbyn was also targeted because his foreign policy views were regarded as unhelpful to certain power agendas, and it’s quite likely there were state dirty tricks involved, utilising the BBC, but this was on top of the leftist civil war issue that has been ongoing since the 1970s, pretty much.

103846 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #202 of 1520 🔗


 Michael Levitt 11 min the only part I’ve watched. Ionnadis also in this long video .20 th Aug discussion from California. Long video with treatment, epidemiology and different aspects of C-19 with many invited speakers

104337 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 2, #203 of 1520 🔗

When Ionnadis was interviewed back in late March, I honestly thought that would be the beginning of the end of the hysteria. I’m still dumfounded that we’re still in this shithole months later.

103850 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #204 of 1520 🔗


SARS-CoV-2 specific memory B cells frequency in recovered patient remains stable while antibodies decay over time

“We found that symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 patients mount a robust antibody response following infection however, the serological memory decays in recovered patients over the period of 6 months. On the other hand, the B cell response as observed in the SARS-CoV-2 specific memory B cell compartment, was found to be stable over time.”

104371 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, 1, #205 of 1520 🔗

Thanks for the link. This is the first one I’ve seen looking for B-cells rather than T-cells.

B-cells’ main job is to make antibodies. Once they’ve started doing that they’re called “plasma cells” (for some reason probably historical). Your body has a few tricks for keeping the antibodies hanging around in the blood for a while, one of which is for some of the plasma cells to live for much longer than usual so they actually just carry on producing antibodies to keep the levels topped up. These are “long lived plasma cells” (and they go and live in your bone marrow).

They found that the rate at which antibody levels dropped was correlated with the amounts of these long-lived plasma cells, as you might expect.

An even longer-term kind of immune memory is memory B-cells and memory T-cells. These two systems work together, so the presence of memory T-cells (which were found for SARS1 to last at least 17 years) implies memory B-cells as well. But this study actually found the memory B-cells for SARS2 and that the levels were stable over time (they probably last many years). These memory B-cells don’t produce antibodies but they remember how to. They lie in wait in lymph nodes and when SARS2 (or a similar virus) comes along they wake up and recreate the antibodies you had before. So you get infected but have only mild or no symptoms.

Long-lived plasma cells for smallpox can stick around for decades. I don’t think the fact that they don’t for SARS2 is a cause for concern (I would be surprised if other coronaviruses were not the same, and the effect has also been observed for influenza vaccines). The 6 months or so that sterilizing immunity lasts for looks like it’s perfectly adapted to the length of time these epidemics last. It’s important people don’t become re-infectious during the epidemic but after it’s all died down it doesn’t make sense that you would want high levels of antibodies in your blood for dozens of mild viruses lasting years and years.

104432 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to guy153, 2, #206 of 1520 🔗

I forgot to say, the other interesting they found, which also seemed to be the case for SARS1, was that high levels of antibodies were also associated with inflammation and disease severity. The cause and effect may be quite subtle here though. If you have a severe disease due to some other reason– high viral load perhaps– you would expect to find more antibodies in response to that. But it certainly wasn’t lack of antibodies causing the severe disease.

It does however also seem to be that case that “Th1” dominated responses (fewer antibodies, more killer-T cells and interferon-gamma) are associated with milder disease and also with more effective vaccines for this kind of thing.

103852 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 24, #207 of 1520 🔗

I was subjected to some illogical lunacy at a National Trust property last Saturday and have just written to them to complain:

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to complain about your cafe staff at Osterley House and Gardens and the “Covid 19 safety” procedures in said cafe.

My husband and I visited Osterley Gardens last Saturday (22 August) and before entering the gardens, I went to the cafe to buy 2 coffees and a shortbread. I was not wearing a face mask/covering as I am exempt and whilst your staff served me without any question, I felt unwelcome by them and I sensed that they were looking at me as if I was a disease-ridden bio hazard. After making the purchase, I handed my hot drinks loyalty card to be stamped but the woman at the counter refused to stamp the card, not really citing any reasonable or logical excuse. I can only assume that it had something to do with your “safety” protocols. She asked me if I wanted my receipt instead so I can have my card stamped when I return (which I suspect will not be for a while) and I didn’t want any argument so I agreed.

Whilst I understand that your measures are in line with government guidelines and to obtain that all important “We’re good to go” endorsement, many of these “Covid 19 safety” measures to me are illogical and do not make sense. On what grounds would the staff member refuse to stamp my card? There was no need for her to come into contact with my card and having seen staff members in the past put a stamp in my card, I have never seen any part of their hand touch said card. It is sad that common sense and good customer service has gone out of the window due to this crisis with many shops, restaurants and even museums and heritage sites treating their customers and visitors as lepers and an inconvenience.

Given that the National Trust has been in the news intermittently for months now for all the wrong reasons, I am very disappointed that not only does your organisation seek to move away from its core mission-vision but it also seems to seek to alienate people like me and my husband who are not members but enjoy visiting your properties for their historical and natural significance. The experience I had with the cafe at Osterley, is for me yet another example of the Trust’s disregard for its visitors and marks your organisation to be no different or no better to parts of the service sector who in the name of “safety” has consigned basic courtesy, decency and treating people with dignity to history.

Thank you and I look forward to your response.

Yours faithfully,
etc, etc

I get the feeling that I will get some weasel worded non apology but no matter, I have complained and hope that they take note.

103855 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #208 of 1520 🔗

You add further justification to my decision to resign my membership of this nasty, cowardly, craven organisation.

103856 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 10, #209 of 1520 🔗

Mr Bart and I have been debating about getting a National Trust membership or not but given the lunacy we’ve been reading, we’ve decided to pass.

104502 ▶▶▶ Montag Smith, replying to annie, 1, #210 of 1520 🔗

I once worked for NT in the IT Dept and was shocked at the amount they spend on IT and marketing/analytics. Maybe the current situation will make them review their spending priorities. AFAIK they are making redundancies but don’t know which parts of the organisation they will be in.

104851 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Montag Smith, #211 of 1520 🔗

From the article I linked to a response to Cecil B, a lot of the redundancies will be with the curatorial, conservation and visitor services departments.

103871 ▶▶ davews, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #212 of 1520 🔗

Is the cafe at Osterley still just self service with a very limited menu (it was still closed when I visited in July). On visits in the past a lunch in their stable cafe was a highlight of the day but I guess it is nothing like this at the moment. I foolishly let my subscription direct debit go through so it looks like I am in for another year but if it carries on like this it will be the last time.

103875 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to davews, 1, #213 of 1520 🔗

It still has a very limited menu, you had to go to the counter to order your drink but self service for everything else – everything wrapped in plastic or takeaway containers.

103873 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #214 of 1520 🔗

Suspect covid will be used as an excuse to close everything down and sell off the assets. New housing estates coming to an area near you soon

103876 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, 3, #215 of 1520 🔗

The NT is planning to alter a lot of their properties according to this article:


104133 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #216 of 1520 🔗

So turn a lot of properties into commercial venues and shut out the public. Get rid of most of the staff in the process. Not wasting the crisis.

103889 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #217 of 1520 🔗

Friendly advice : people always make these letters too long. All you need to say is “stamp my card or else I’m not coming back. There’s no government law against stamping a card.”

104333 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Recusant, #218 of 1520 🔗

Well said. I could have made a fuss but I could not be bothered especially as I saw the sheep behind me in the queue all muzzled up. I lost the will to live when I saw that.

103890 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #219 of 1520 🔗

i notice C4 just started new series with George Clarke “National Trust unlocked” where he takes the opportunity of visiting an NT property during lockdown and so he is completely alone .
Looks like the way NT is carrying on, it wont be long until those few remaining members get the opportunity to enjoy this isolation experience themselves

104338 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mjr, #220 of 1520 🔗

Indeed. As it stands now just as I won’t shed a tear if certain businesses go bust, won’t be doing the same either when the likes of the National Trust go in the way of the dodo. They only have themselves to blame.

103952 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #221 of 1520 🔗

When they sell off the assets, as a member, will I be entitled to a share? (wot like building societies dun)

104334 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cecil B, #222 of 1520 🔗

Maybe you should write to them and ask that. Plus what happens if they have to file for bankruptcy.

104057 ▶▶ James007, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #223 of 1520 🔗

I felt unwelcome by them and I sensed that they were looking at me as if I was a disease-ridden bio hazard.

Well put! Yes I know that look!

104342 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to James007, #224 of 1520 🔗

Same here. I’ve gotten that look on public transport and certain shops and I simply state back which causes them to look away.

103858 swedenborg, 12, #225 of 1520 🔗

Strange things in Brazil
The excess death has disappeared but massive deaths of C-19 still reported in Brazil although declining a bit of cases and deaths One comment
 “This same pictures is evident elsewhere – all cause mortality returns to normal within 8-10 weeks, then falls below expected. Meanwhile, daily Covid deaths continue to be reported. Obviously, we cured heart disease and cancer while no one was looking!

103860 John Mirra, 15, #226 of 1520 🔗

I am starting to lose more and more faith in common sense everyday.

I am sure they’ll be mandating masks outside next. When did the country flip from mocking hypochondriacs to being run by them?

103861 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #227 of 1520 🔗

Thanks to anyone who commented on the topic of the advisor to Scotland and DELVE yesterday. Really an impressive range of thoughts and experience may have amounted to her stepping away from the UK role. We can hope anyway!

One thing that can be deduced from the stupidity of a top globalist science advisor’s innane twit babble is that there is a desperation to declare reinfections of Sars CoV 2. They absolutely need our natural immune systems to be susceptable to repeated bouts with Sars CoV 2.

Hong Kong the Belgium both relative fanfare of reinfection only to be simply rebuffed. Tell the lie enough times and people with believe.
Expect more ‘discoveries’ of reinfections.

103864 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Basics, 4, #228 of 1520 🔗

The enthusiasm to find such cases strongly suggests that the motivations of that woman and those like her are not honourable or good for humanity

103877 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 3, #229 of 1520 🔗

Her other two specific ‘alternative facts’ in the Unherd interview were ‘long covid’ and ‘children having heart attacks’, neither of which have any peer-reviewed medical or scientific support from what I can see.

103897 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #230 of 1520 🔗

That heart attack line is being repeated on social media a lot. People just jump toward the fear with glee.

“Still shielding, at home, in my mask, sexless and lonely”

Paranoid Android

103910 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #231 of 1520 🔗

The term ‘long’ covid. Is that following a naming convention with other viral infections? As I understand the concept the idea is of a long period of ill-health caused initially by covid but not actually covid. So an example might be ME brought caused by covid. This seems quite a complex medical detective conundrum to establish and group under the title Long Covid.

I would suppose at this point nobody has made a full recovery from a diagnosis of Long Covid.

104138 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Basics, 1, #232 of 1520 🔗

The number of victims getting bandied around is 500,000 in the UK alone. About 50% more than the number of “confirmed” cases (327,000 or so), so I guess asymptomatic people end up with long covid too.

103901 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Basics, 4, #233 of 1520 🔗

DELVE – not worthy of respect when they admitted their mask report was not peer-reviewed, was written by the daughter of their governing body’s leader, said there had been no human RCTs performed on covid-19 transmission to data analyse and if masks stop/slow it down and they quoted as a good study the masked hamster experiment as proof masks work.

103934 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #234 of 1520 🔗

I agree – I reread my comment. My error, I shoukd have written more correctly “[We have] Really an impressive range of thoughts and experience may have amounted…” I wasn’t meaning DELVE are impressive.

The Belgian paper was quickly found by Swedenborg and seen to be not unusual in the slightest.

Hamsters in masks and this is reason for humans to be forced into them? Not ok.

What I am seeing is a weak link, an incompetent and I’m trying to get advantage out of that.

104205 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, 1, #235 of 1520 🔗

Please can you remind me of the link to the ‘rebuff’ to the re-infection lie? Want to post a reply to a scaremonger on Facebook 😉

104891 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Carrie, #236 of 1520 🔗

See patrick henningsen twitter and swedenborg comment yesterday.

103863 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 12, #237 of 1520 🔗

The reason why the bbc do not want to broadcast Rule Britannia etc is that the words:

Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.

Are directly contrary to their own policies.

I said it before, the bbc should be renamed the ppc – the public policy committee.

103866 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Old Bill, #238 of 1520 🔗

Is the ‘s’ word hate speech? What is their given reason for the line being unutterable?
From a femininst point of view eve eve eve is quite the subliminal hit, I’d have thought the Beeb would be turning the volume to 11.

103879 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Basics, #239 of 1520 🔗

Wasn’t it written when we were being raided by the Barbary Pirates anyway?

104025 ▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to kf99, 1, #240 of 1520 🔗
103874 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Old Bill, 5, #241 of 1520 🔗

Well, the words are not true are they? We are becoming slaves.

Maybe they want to make sure we don’t get our hopes up…

103891 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stewart, #242 of 1520 🔗

Oooh! Yes! The bbc purveyors of the finest truths. How can the allow untruths to be sung? There’s something to consider.

103867 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #243 of 1520 🔗

BBC in full flow today inciting riots

103884 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Cecil B, 3, #244 of 1520 🔗

Good for them. Why aren’t our side rioting back?

104202 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cecil B, 1, #245 of 1520 🔗

In what way?

103870 wendyk, 1, #246 of 1520 🔗

Song for Boris:

’I’m Spinning Around’ ; Kylie Minogue.

Sturgeon is tugging on Mr Blobby’s leash.

However, the recently released GERS figures will challenge the SNP’s promised land narrative.

103872 Julian, replying to Julian, 3, #247 of 1520 🔗

Lest we forget while debating masks in schools, they are doubtless being mandated in universities. This, from the UCL website:

“As per UK Government’s advice, people should wear a face covering in enclosed spaces where social distancing is not always possible and where they come into contact with others that they do not normally meet. UCL’s guidance for those on campus is:

Face coverings are now strongly encouraged when you’re on campus, both inside buildings and when moving around campus. This includes in offices, labs and teaching spaces. They must be worn by all staff, students and visitors if coming within two metres of someone else.
Everyone should aim to provide their own covering for general purposes. UCL will ensure that face coverings are available on campus to purchase. Wearing a face covering is new for all of us and we will need to work together to remind each other and our students when we forget and also gently point out our policy to visitors.
Face coverings should be worn during classroom teaching and UCL will provide coverings with clear panels to staff to support this and other activities where not being able to see the mouth will inhibit the ability to communicate. These are being procured centrally and will be distributed to all departments by the Estates team.
Where identified as a mandatory requirement for particular roles through risk assessment, UCL will provide face coverings or masks to staff.
It is understood that wearing face coverings all day can be uncomfortable and therefore if you are alone in a room, or outside and with plenty of space, we encourage you to take breaks from wearing your face covering. Please contact your line manager if you have concerns.
UCL acknowledges that there may be good reasons why you are not able to wear a face covering. We are encouraging staff who cannot use face coverings to obtain and use a face covering exemption card from TfL, to signal to others on campus that they are unable to use face coverings.

Face coverings may also present additional challenges for people who are D/deaf or have another hearing or communication impairment; or Neurodivergent people and those with cognitive impairments. The UCL Deafness Cognition and Language Research Centre (DCAL) have issued a statement with more information and advice. Please be sensitive to those unable to use face coverings for whatever reason and behave respectfully towards all members of the community at this time.

UCL supports the sunflower campaign to highlight non visible disabilities. This is to signal discreetly to others that you may need extra assistance, rather than that you are exempt from using a face covering per se. If individuals have concerns, they should contact their department, line manager, Workplace Health or Student Support and Wellbeing. “

103881 ▶▶ davews, replying to Julian, 5, #248 of 1520 🔗

Interesting that they highlight those with hearing difficulties having particular problems with masks. That is one of the reasons I am claiming exemption, top marks for them in highlighting it. Not that I agree with their policies of course. Great niece is just about to start at Oxford, guess she will have to follow the same palaver.

103905 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to davews, 3, #249 of 1520 🔗

In general they seem pretty hot on disability discrimination and inclusiveness

103915 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Julian, 5, #250 of 1520 🔗

Inclusiveness unless you have “right wing” views, I should say…

104200 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, 1, #251 of 1520 🔗

I’d like to see their risk assessment though.. I wonder if by referring to it, they are trying to ‘ward off’ any questions as to whether such an assessment has been carried out, and hoping no one will ask to see it. Likely the risk assessment doesn’t justify the policy…

103887 ▶▶ annie, replying to Julian, 16, #252 of 1520 🔗

Universities. Places with intelligent people in them. Places where people are taught to think critically.

103912 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to annie, 6, #253 of 1520 🔗

Places where people are taught to think critically.”

The critical thinking skills seem to be applied selectively

Anyway, masks are a political, rather than medical/scientific issue

And lastly, no-one will ever get fired for making masks mandatory – it’s the safety first choice (so they think) and will always be now – as soon as it started here there was never any going back

103898 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Julian, 4, #254 of 1520 🔗

Is Jeremy Bentham going to get a face mask too?

103935 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Julian, 5, #255 of 1520 🔗

i knew a student at UCL. He got a 2.1 but apparently prior to the exam his grade had been estimated as being a 20,000.1

104810 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Julian, 2, #256 of 1520 🔗

Students already make themselves vulnerable wandering around the place staring at their phone, earplugs in and now masked up. That leaves only touch for sensory perception of the outside world.

104869 ▶▶▶ Alison9, replying to karenovirus, #257 of 1520 🔗


103880 karenovirus, 1, #258 of 1520 🔗

The round up link ‘here come the Detention centres’ led me to recall that New York has done this before.
My parents would say to me ” you don’t eat your greens Typhoid Mary will come visiting”.
I remember that she passed typhoid to people in early 20C upstate New York despite not being I’ll herself and laws had to be passed specifically to detain her

A quick Google reveals that she was the first American to be identified as an asymptomatic carrier of disease. She refused to desist in her occupation of cook to the rich and famous (typhoid being associated with the slums of NYC).
She died after 26 years enforced isolation.

103882 Recusant, replying to Recusant, 23, #259 of 1520 🔗

64 million subsidised lunches for a nation that isn’t too scared to go to a busy restaurant but is too scared to go to the office.

We deserve to go bankrupt.

103893 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Recusant, 11, #260 of 1520 🔗

They do, we don’t.

103920 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Sarigan, 12, #261 of 1520 🔗

Indeed, I’m feeling increasingly resentful at being dragged down with these people.

103883 Aremen, replying to Aremen, 27, #262 of 1520 🔗

Two thoughts:
1. I have read that Boris Johnson says he will leave it up to individual headteachers to decide whether masks will be worn. So, what qualifies a teacher to make decisions about virology? Thankfully, my children are well beyond school age, but if they weren’t, I would be writing to their headteacher asking for the coherent risk assessment behind the decision, referenced by controlled research. Just to help, I’d be pointing out the evidence for the psychological and physical damage caused by prolonged mask wearing, whilst reminding the head that I have put the school on notice of these risks should harm occur as a result if masks are imposed.
2. If our government is to “follow the science”, then the obvious thing for them to do is to see if their policy works. We fear that children will misuse their masks*, so random swabbing of children’s masks and of the places they put their masks will help to inform us as to whether the masks are making the transmission of pathogens of various kinds more or less likely. Surely, that’s a sensible step.
*As a retired health professional, I know that the donning, removal and disposal of masks requires training and regular audit of effective use. I also know they are uncomfortable and hinder communication.

A relative of mine does some contractual work for the British Transport Police. He has been told by them that he need not wear a mask unless he is in view of the public. So what does that tell us?

103928 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Aremen, 19, #263 of 1520 🔗

It’s all bollocks

103931 ▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to stefarm, 5, #264 of 1520 🔗

Beat me to it 😡

103939 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to smileymiley, 3, #265 of 1520 🔗

Go on, it will make you feel better 🤪

104149 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Aremen, 1, #266 of 1520 🔗

It’s another example of what’s called “security theatre” in America, in regards to flying. You know, getting your luggage checked by some bored TSA agent so that you “feel safe” that the government is watching out for you.

I’ve been trying to come up with a similar name for the nonsense we’re experiencing, but “virus theatre” doesn’t quite do it.

104174 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #267 of 1520 🔗

I’ve been calling it Covid theatre since the beginning. And I also likened it to the security theatre that has never ended. When I used to travel, a mere 6 months ago, I was always amazed at how the sheeple would automatically remove their shoes even when it wasn’t asked of them. This is why I fear this crap will be with us for a VERY long time as people become accustomed to having a mask with them and automatically take it on and off like good little boys and girls.

104387 ▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #268 of 1520 🔗

Covid theatre? – It came out out accidentally today whilst in the post office, I was in the queue and the couple ahead of me asked me to move away from them and to observe social distancing. I said ‘no thank you, I don’t engage in covid theatre’ and stayed put.

104389 ▶▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Kath Andrews, #269 of 1520 🔗

I’ve definitely heard the phrase ‘covid theatre’, just can’t remember where from.

104391 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Kath Andrews, #270 of 1520 🔗

Hadn’t read the post from Lisa from Toronto!

104611 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to ConstantBees, #271 of 1520 🔗

Someone referred to masks as “safety theatre” to me today

103888 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #272 of 1520 🔗

Reported in Telegraph ‘ Boris Johnson has admitted the Government’s U-turn on face masks in schools was inspired by Scotland’s “sensible” move to mandate their use in communal areas… He added: “As they discovered in Scotland, where they’ve had the kids in for at least a couple of weeks now, what they found was that it was raining outside, people were coming in and they were congregating in the corridors and the move to face coverings they thought was sensible.”‘

Phew. Since it never rains south of the border there’s obviously no chance of England following suit.

103923 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Charlie Blue, 20, #273 of 1520 🔗

Reported in Telegraph ‘ Boris Johnson has admitted the Government’s U-turn on concentration camps was inspired by Adolf Hitler’s “sensible” move to mandate their use in Nazi Germany… He added: “As they discovered in Germany, where they’ve had the ghettos for at least a couple of years, what they found was that it was much easier to control things and do what needs to be done and the move to full centralised camps they thought was sensible.”‘

103942 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Lockdown Truth, 3, #274 of 1520 🔗

Not sure about that. It was after all the Brits who invented the concentration camp for holding the Boers during that war.

103962 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 6, #275 of 1520 🔗

It was after all the Brits who invented the concentration camp for holding the Boers during that war .”

This is another of those things that everyone “knows” that aren’t actually true, like “Britain is a nation of immigrants”.

In reality, modern concentration camps were first used by the Spanish in Cuba, and shortly afterwards by the Yanks in the Philippines and the British in South Africa, in response to guerilla warfare.

B efore the first prisoner entered the Soviet Gulag, before “Arbeit macht frei” appeared on the gates of Auschwitz, before the 20th century had even begun, concentration camps found their first home in the cities and towns of Cuba .

103892 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 15, #276 of 1520 🔗


So, if your kid has got a runny nose, they have to be put into a garden shed.

Seriously. As a teacher, if you are not willing to act within the bounds of risk (which we’ve already been told repeatedly is incredibly small for even transmission of the virus) for a kid, and instead, are so scared by this (the social shame of getting CV-19 is more of a fear for them I think) you need to put your student in a shed, you need to remove yourself from your career.

Is the cognitive dissonance that far reaching now? That masks work, but will still need a garden shed isolation room to save us all from certain death?

This article is a new low.

103943 ▶▶ alw, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #277 of 1520 🔗

Most children at nursery and primary school have permanently runny noses. This is going to work well isn’t it? Lol!

105325 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to alw, #278 of 1520 🔗

Runny noses are good.

103961 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #279 of 1520 🔗

Most teachers, at least after a couple of years in the classroom develop great immune systems. Catching something is a hazard of the job, but really no more of an issue than for many others commuting by train or tube.

104156 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Ozzie, 3, #280 of 1520 🔗

I used to teach at colleges and universities in the US. My students loved to come up and tell me about the illness they had they made them miss class. After years of catching things from them, eventually my immune system had a great repertoire and I stopped getting sick.

One of the few joys left in my life is that I’ve retired from teaching. I would have to resign anyway – there’s no way I’d teach wearing a mask to a room full of masked students.

104188 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ozzie, #281 of 1520 🔗

Very true!

103894 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #282 of 1520 🔗

All the travel industry job losses that are coming re no surprise and the WTTC is going to make things a lot worse.

They wrote a letter to Governments recently asking for:


They call it “to save the sector”. More like a suicide note.

Wearing a mask: This should be mandatory on all modes of transport throughout the entire traveller journey, as well as when visiting any interior venue and in locations where there is restricted movement which results in close personal contact and required physical distancing cannot be maintained.

Testing and contact tracing: We need governments to invest and agree on extensive, rapid, and reliable testing, ideally with results available in as quick as 90 minutes, and at a low cost, before departure and/ or after arrival (symptomatic and asymptomatic would-be travellers), supported by effective and agreed contact tracing tools. The application of one or multiple tests, with the second after five days, will help to isolate infected people.

Quarantine for positive tests only: Quarantine for healthy travellers, which only serves to damage the economy, should not be necessary if testing is in place before departure and/or on arrival, and effective containment measures are taken five days later. This can replace blanket quarantine in a more targeted and effective way significantly reducing the negative impact on jobs and the economy.

I did write to them asking them to explain their stance and giving scientific evidence what they had stated was wrong but unsurprisingly no answer from them.

On the WTTC website biographies page there is this to say about their Presdient and CEO Gloria Guevara:

Gloria has been Special Advisor on Government Affairs to Harvard University, and part of the Future for Travel, Tourism and Aviation Global Agenda Council of the World Economic Forum (WEF).

Tiffany Mizrahi – VP policy has this comment:

She recently completed an Executive Master in Leadership as part of the World Economic Forum’s Global Leadership Fellows Programme .”

Kathleen matthews – Ambassador:

chairwoman of the Maryland Democratic Party and a member of the Democratic National Committee . Also “chaired the World Economic Forum’s Global Agenda Council for the travel industry”

Another few well well wells who would have guessed.

103918 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Awkward Git, 21, #283 of 1520 🔗

I am coming to terms with the fact that my lifetime in travel and my business I have built up over the last 18 years will soon be over. I cannot see many travel businesses making it through this. Shame I have no PA skills as would apply for Toby’s role.

103937 ▶▶▶ Gtec, replying to Sarigan, 5, #284 of 1520 🔗

Sorry to hear about your business, and hope you get through this after all.

103940 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Sarigan, 11, #285 of 1520 🔗

Ha, same here. Think I need to retrain, can’t see demand returning for a long time if this is what the industry has in mind. It took me 5 years to get my Aircraft Maintenance Licence, which is increasingly looking like it will become a worthless piece of paper!

What will the growth industries be in the post lockdown dystopian future?

103975 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #286 of 1520 🔗

Sceptic prison camp guard.

103988 ▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #287 of 1520 🔗

Amongst the UK industries destroyed over the years was train engineering (we led the world, briefly, in the 70s with tilting trains etc). We instead concentrated on Aerospace. Now planes=bad high speed trains=good. Who benefits? Germany, Japan, China…

104420 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to kf99, #288 of 1520 🔗

Funnily enough I’ve been looking into going into rolling stock. Am I jumping out of the frying pan into the fire?

104968 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #289 of 1520 🔗

There’s only Derby left now I think? Some other places with assembly of foreign made parts, which the MSM don’t realise isn’t really manufacturing.

104208 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #290 of 1520 🔗

Aeronauticals are being royally battered in all this :o((

104368 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #291 of 1520 🔗

Expect airlines to go bust.

103974 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sarigan, 6, #292 of 1520 🔗

Go for it anyway, PA is just a general dogsbody who can organise things.

104206 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sarigan, 1, #293 of 1520 🔗

I’m sure you have many transferable skills. But I’m saddened to hear this, especially as it is no normal recession that has caused it.

104997 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sarigan, #294 of 1520 🔗

Very sorry about your business. I work in a sector that’s closely allied with yours and if the travel industry goes bust, museums and heritage will suffer badly.

103921 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #295 of 1520 🔗

Frightening. The testing. Low cost, results in 90 minutes.

The low costs tests are worse than what they use now and the accuracy is a nonsense. They basically want a load of fakery to make it look like its safe.

Doubling down and then some. They’ve accepted the fear agenda is here to stay and the new normal is to just perform a little rain dance to make it all go away.

We are heading for lalalala land

103932 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #296 of 1520 🔗

The “global coordination” the WTTC should be demanding is for clear statements that the emergency is completely over, in all those countries in which the epidemic has clearly finished. And in those countries there should be a commitment to a complete and immediate return to normal.

103980 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mark, 4, #297 of 1520 🔗

I know that, you know that, most people know that.

But the WEF overlords their uproot to won’t let them, not part of the green utopia narrative with travel only for those who float to the top, not for the lower class minions like em and you fi we don’t get carted off to a re-education camp..

103950 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #298 of 1520 🔗

… because the mandatory masks have worked out so well for the retail sector, dumbarses!

104185 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #299 of 1520 🔗

Just designed to soften people up for the covipass…

103903 richard riewer, 8, #300 of 1520 🔗

Pussywhipped by a sturgeon.

103904 Awkward Git, 10, #301 of 1520 🔗

Friend of mine getting a bit philisophiclaa nd sent em some inspirational posters.

i can only attache one at a time to a post so I’ll do them individually.

Might lift your spirits if you re feeling a bit despondent today.

103906 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #302 of 1520 🔗

Uplifting message 2

104182 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, #303 of 1520 🔗

Think we should post that one about on social media as much as possible!

103908 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #304 of 1520 🔗

Sums up today

103929 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #305 of 1520 🔗

Great quote

103909 richard riewer, 4, #306 of 1520 🔗

Next Saturday’s rally should end with a Vera Lynn singalong.

103911 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #307 of 1520 🔗

One more – I think we’ve passed this point

103917 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #308 of 1520 🔗

Make that covidiots.

105001 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Awkward Git, #309 of 1520 🔗

Especially with smartphones and tablets.

103913 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 17, #310 of 1520 🔗

Last one – we’re on the 3rd generation now.

104278 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #311 of 1520 🔗

“Clogs to clogs in three generations” as we say in Stoke!

103914 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 18, #312 of 1520 🔗

I have just seen that there is an ask the Prime Minister a question thing going on as @
I doubt my question will be selected but I thought I might have a go and have quickly drafted up a question as below, I thought I would just put it up for comments before I submit it.

Incidents of Covid 19 disease and deaths are now very low and in this situation with previous disease outbreaks we would, by now, be declaring the disease to be over and getting back to normal. However, we are now conducting many tests for the Sars-Cov2 virus and using the results of these tests to determine highly significant and costly public health measures such as the compulsory use of facemasks in schools. PCR testing for the SARS-Cov2 virus was originally intended as a diagnostic tool not as the major determining factor in deciding public health policy.
Will the Prime Minister undertake to carry out a multi-disciplinary review of SARS-Cov2 testing, to consider its effectiveness, its accuracy, what the results mean and how appropriate test results are in the determination of public health policy?

103972 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #313 of 1520 🔗

Good luck. maybe someone who reads them might actually start thinking independently at some point.

I put in quite a few questions, never picked.

104002 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #314 of 1520 🔗

Excellent question.

104045 ▶▶ Klein, replying to Steve Martindale, #315 of 1520 🔗

great question

103922 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #316 of 1520 🔗

Sent this back to my friend, getting closer and closer to this daily

104273 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Awkward Git, #317 of 1520 🔗

You probably need a Honey Badger anxiety companion animal. As well as tearing strips off annoying people it would keep mask zelots away by demonstrating your exempt status.

103927 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 18, #318 of 1520 🔗

Just found this in one of the linked articles above.

Prof Hannah Cloke, Professor of Hydrology at the University of Reading, said the latest figures for the August week were “extraordinary”, suggesting climate change could be having a greater impact than Covid-19.

She said: “In the absence of evidence of any new Covid-19 spike, the ONS has actually put its finger on a potentially much more alarming silent killer, by suggesting that high temperatures are to blame.

“This is truly extraordinary. While more research needs to be done to confirm this, it is very likely that the week-long heatwave that saw tropical nights and regular daytime temperatures above 35 degrees killed hundreds of people.

“Heatwaves are one of the extremes of weather that are most closely linked to climate change. As the average temperature rises, potentially lethal extremes of heat in places like the UK and other densely populated regions will become more common,” she added.

OMG! Panic! Hot weather is more lethal than covid! Quick, mandate that everyone must carry a fan and cold drink with them at all times! £3000 fine for non-compliance! In fact, why not carry two bottles with you so that you can give one to someone else and save lives!

104187 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #319 of 1520 🔗

Amazingly, so is cold weather. In fact it’s a lot more lethal than hot weather. Just look at the death curves, year after year after year!!

We need a new Establishment.

104660 ▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #320 of 1520 🔗

Friend in the west coast USA, I think it was last year, Jan-Feb was the coldest it’s been in absolutely decades. Few months back – Kazakhstan, people buried under piles of snow. Turkey, similarly. Clearly Scientists need to take a serious look at this Global Cooling..

104263 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #321 of 1520 🔗

‘notalotofpeopleknowthat’ site is an excellent source of refutations of all that sort of nonsense.

103936 Tony Rattray, replying to Tony Rattray, 8, #322 of 1520 🔗

Its now official, 2 + 2 = 5 is the ‘new normal scotland’

As we all know here, our current merry band of politicians are not very good with statistics – evidence based science being the most obvious. Well below is another example from the ‘new normal’ snp scotland that they now think 2 + 2 = 5.

Remember, we must end austerity, create a well-being economy (does this mean we will all become yoga teachers or equality officers?) and introduce universal basic income (in other words, continue to be paid to do nothing).

Scotland spent £15.1bn more on public services than it raised in taxes last year, according to Scottish government statistics.

This public spending deficit was £2bn higher than the previous year, and represented 8.6% of the country’s GDP.
The figures cover the financial year to 5 April 2020, so do not reflect the full impact of the Covid-19 pandemic.
The deficit for the UK as a whole rose from 1.9% of its GDP to 2.5% for the same period.
The statistics also estimated that Scotland raised £308 less per person than the UK average in taxation, while public spending was £1,663 per person higher in Scotland.


104051 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tony Rattray, 3, #323 of 1520 🔗

No matter, English money fills the gap, that’s why the Scots hate the cruel English.

103944 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 29, #324 of 1520 🔗

What is it with teachers?
My next door neighbours are both retired teachers and are the most brainwashed Covid scaredicats I know. Two doors down, lives another retired headmaster—-won’t come withing twenty feet of you never mind two meters. And around the corner lives yet another retired teacher who is married to a retired school inspector—never left their house or garden for five months. Is it a coincidence that these people, entirely dependent on the state not only for their education but for their subsequent livelihoods and inflation proofed pensions are quite incapable of thinking for themselves? Does the absence of anything approaching a rounded experience of earning a living in–or indeed any interaction in– the real world somehow make them incapable of independent thought and of possessing any degree of common sense?
Again, All of the aforementioned people are lifetime readers of the ‘Guardian’, addicted to BBC news and believe that the government is acting in our best interests. This in spite of Boris Johnson being the devil incarnate only a few short months ago when all of them voted Labour, although to a man (and woman) not liking Jeremy Corbyn.

Apologies to any teachers here who might be reading and indeed who are sceptics but it seems to me that you are very much the exception to the rule.

103949 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Harry hopkins, -1, #325 of 1520 🔗

It’s what’s known as a non-random sample added to by confirmation bias – the usual basis for bad analysis.

103998 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Harry hopkins, 14, #326 of 1520 🔗

I am a teacher, although quite late to the profession after a career in business and consultancy. I know what you mean – there is an accepted bias with no desire or ability to think critically about political and real world issues. I have found very few whom I could discuss Brexit in an open way (as a pro-Brexit supporter) and far fewer who are COVID sceptical.

104079 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #327 of 1520 🔗

And incidentally,

These self same state dependent brainwashed types were the only ones in my vicinity out banging their pots and pans and blowing their whistles on a Thursday evening when the NHS disappeared up its own back side.

104194 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Harry hopkins, #328 of 1520 🔗

Stephen Maturin is quite clear about the teaching profession – “makes them unfit for civilised company” (or words to that effect).

103948 A. Contrarian, 13, #329 of 1520 🔗

Oh dear.

Mr Williamson ruled out extending the face masks rules even further as he told the BBC: ‘No, no, there’s no intention of extending it beyond that because as both (Deputy Chief Medical Officer) Dr Jenny Harries said and (Schools Minister Nick Gibb) said is that actually that isn’t what is required.

So that will be happening tomorrow then, for sure…

103951 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 19, #330 of 1520 🔗

Musings from the south coast.

Canterbury would normally be buzzing with foreign tourists and school parties at this time of the year. It is looking pretty dead to me. Each time we visit (the last was at Christmas) another shop or two seems to have closed but this time it was worse than ever.

A pretty little town on the south coast is looking in a similar state. Last time we visited, it was hard to make your way along crowded pavements but yesterday it looked like early closing day, which it wasn’t.

First stop was to buy a bucket and spade. The poster in the shop window said that the owners would not be policing face masks. Began by thanking them for their understanding and ended up having a great conversation with mother and son-both sceptics. Introduced them to this site and Swiss Policy Research.

Took our grandson to the little funfair- glad to see notices saying “We would appreciate it if you wore a face covering” rather than the brusque messages of some posters. It was quite crowded in the funfair-very little social distancing and only a handful of masks. Everyone was having fun and even the short pause between each ride to disinfect, wasn’t a problem.

OH had a bit of a set-to in the chemist’s shop. Apparently he wasn’t standing far enough away from the man in front and was also barked at for not wearing a mask. OH flashed his lanyard at the grumpy git, but before he could defend himself, the lady behind him in the queue told the grumpy git to mind his own business and that he shouldn’t be asking anyone the reason for being maskless. Thank you, kind lady, whoever you are.

Room service have been very busy at the hotel where we are staying. Apparently there was a large party of Metropolitan Police Officers staying here whilst they did firearms training-Premier Inns are obviously not good enough-only the best for Cressida’s men!

103989 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Margaret, 9, #331 of 1520 🔗

What is it about chemist shops and there lack of customer consideration? Last time I was in one (before 24/7) I was asked my personal details whilst standing near the doorway by an assistant at the counter – needless to say I said that I would not be shouting my personal details to all and sundry.

104670 ▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Ozzie, #332 of 1520 🔗

Had this experience before with Halifax (way pre covid); immediately jumped on & virtually shouted at by the door, lest I get so far as to the queue and actually have a desire to deal with a human being… Asked the nature of my business, what I was doing precisely, I replied that’s confidential information that I’m not prepared to state in the middle of the floor! & not long after switched banks. 🙂

104170 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Margaret, #333 of 1520 🔗

‘Firearms training’ – how did you find out about that, and more importantly, *why* were they doing it?

104175 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Carrie, #334 of 1520 🔗

Presumably so they don’t murder kill any more innocents on Tube trains.

104190 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Carrie, #335 of 1520 🔗

It’s a toughie – but at the end of the day, those with firearms should probably get a bit of training, don’t you think ? 🙂

104275 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to JohnB, 2, #336 of 1520 🔗

I’m worried about it being one step up from the way the French police reacted to the yellow vest protests..

104679 ▶▶▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Carrie, #337 of 1520 🔗

Good point. Though on the other hand I knew someone literally just across the road when one of the terror attacks went down, London Bridge & Borough market area, they saw first hand a Police officer with complete disregard for his own safety charging down a maniac with what looked something like a samurai sword, despite the fact that said officer was armed with not much more than a copy of the Evening Standard & a doughnut. I don’t totally blame the Police for wanting to be a bit more prepared.. the streets are dangerous. Knife attacks, acid attacks; according to Sadiq Khan Londoners have got to watch out for those horrendous racist road names too,…..

103954 wendyk, 6, #338 of 1520 🔗

“Clichés, stock phrases, adherence to conventional, standardized codes of expression and conduct have the socially recognized function of protecting us against reality, that is, against the claim on our thinking attention that all events and facts make by virtue of their existence.”
― Hannah Arendt,

103959 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #339 of 1520 🔗

Thinking ahead

We know covid is over and there will be no second wave

What about the financial fall out?. The perceived wisdom appears to be that it’s going to be a blood bath

However after the first and second world wars, my understanding is that the twenties and fifties saw good times

Any thoughts?

Also, what to do? Keep cash? buy stocks? Wait and see?

Just looking for some thoughts/opinions of where we will be going

103967 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cecil B, 5, #340 of 1520 🔗

You’ve got to think the disruption to the economy and repayment of the debt to ourselves will last at least a decade.

Britain the 50s was pretty austere still. Don’t think things got more comfortable until the 60s.

Covid may be over but the coronapanic and ongoing medico fascism is not over, and probably won’t be in my lifetime

Cash v stocks I would say stocks if they are the right ones. The value of cash will be eroded, more than usual

103968 ▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Cecil B, 13, #341 of 1520 🔗

There will be a second wave. Cancer deaths from delayed treatment. 2.1 million currently waiting for screening and treatment. Clap the NHS for that! https://bedwetters.buzzsprout.com/

105330 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, #342 of 1520 🔗

Mass murder.

104184 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, 1, #343 of 1520 🔗


  • gold (as sovereigns) is always handy.
  • spreading things sounds sensible (cash, shares, property, etc.)
  • a few months food in the house.
  • spirits/ciggies as barter goods.
  • grow as much food as possible.

For those even more prepper-oriented …

  • a generator (and petrol – but don’t burn down your bunker like some American dude managed).
  • a ‘bug out’ plan as the Yanks call it, if where you live become a tad too hot.
  • a comprehensive first aid kit, including any necessary meds.
  • and a way to protect your food, gold, and generator. 🙂
104198 ▶▶ Will, replying to Cecil B, 1, #344 of 1520 🔗

Depends entirely on how long these idiots drag this out to try and cover up their crimes/ claim credit for nature’s work in “beating” the virus. The Johnson dare not do anything much until after Christmas so I wouldn’t do anything too soon. But after 64 million half price meal covers have seen a continuation of the collapse in hospitalisation or death numbers we can say with a degree of confidence that Covid is all but gone. My worry now is mass sickness and diarrhoea from everyone touching their putrid face masks and then touching everything in the shop…

104201 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Cecil B, 1, #345 of 1520 🔗

Gold and silver coins. Gold for expensive stuff, silver for everyday cheaper stuff.

Pasta, rice, Smash, tinned veg, tinned tomatoes etc. anything that keeps a lot longer than the best before/use by date.


1st aid stuff.

Vitamin C tablets

Lots of sea salt, seasonings

Lots of candles.

matches, firelighters

Air rifle and pistol – pellets can be recovered and reused over and over if you have a mould.

Shotgun and lots of cartridges if so inclined

BBQ, lots of kindling and charcoal, seasoned wood.

Good set of knives and a big and small axe for the “firewood”

Dutch oven and other stuff that can be used on wood fires, uses charcoal – Lakeland have a good “oven” (I have one, cannot remember the name) you can roast a whole chicken in using bout 15 boots of charcoal.

104271 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #346 of 1520 🔗

Vitamin D as well as C! Plus zinc..

104328 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cecil B, #347 of 1520 🔗

If we were in the USA I’d say buy a gun.
Massive inflation is my bet as the government prints money to pay its bills.

103960 Klein, replying to Klein, 28, #348 of 1520 🔗

General update from the last few days

  • Went into a local filling station, was about 50/50 with masks. No staff wearing them, and a few people talking to each other normally rather than across the room. I feel like shouting at the people getting out of their cars and putting them on…
  • Another B&Q trip, were a few others not wearing. Was buying bathroom silicon, and a fellow bareback champion asked me if the stuff he had was white or translucent, as he had forgotten his glasses. I took it from him and saw the tiny writing and told him what it was…no flinching or shrieking – just a normal interaction!
  • Still yet to see anyone wearing a mask in the local offies, 3rd visit now since the bullshit rule was introduced.
  • Spoke to a neighbour who was saying he’s getting really pissed off now, and the mask thing really bothers him. He said he wears one anyone to avoid hassle, I said I’ve not worn one yet and to check the law. Everyone is exempt.
  • I’ve still yet to be accosted after over 2 weeks of barebacking. Its definitely a lot easier now, and it amuses me to try and spot fellow bareback enthusiasts…who are nearly always men.
103978 ▶▶ annie, replying to Klein, 8, #349 of 1520 🔗

Good on you. Keep reporting!

104473 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Klein, 1, #350 of 1520 🔗

The rule (or is it guidance?) which I see ignored most frequently, probably because it’s one of the most obviously nonsensical, is the one about wearing a mask when queuing for a coffee etc as you’re then going to take it off when you sit down in the place to eat and drink.

103963 Klein, replying to Klein, 20, #351 of 1520 🔗

I’m kind of enjoying watching Johnson’s career being slowly flushed down the shitter.
This was his time to shine – the lovable roguish buffoon finally steps up to the big seat and it has all turned to utter shit.
Barring him growing a spine and putting an end to all this foolishness, he’s totally finished as a politician and his legacy must now be in tatters.
He’ll be forever remembered as the guy who managed to unite the entire country in hatred of him, albeit for different reasons.

104014 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Klein, 8, #352 of 1520 🔗

He has a majority of 80 and more than 4 years left to run, and no-one is challenging him or holding him to account, neither in his own part nor among the opposition nor in the media, with a few notable exceptions

Doesn’t look like anything is in tatters to me

It might be if the world wakes up from the madness, but that could take decades

104035 ▶▶▶ Klein, replying to Julian, 4, #353 of 1520 🔗

Surely Gove is playing some sort of game? Have heard very little from him since he said that masks shouldn’t be mandatory…not that I really trust him but he’s got to be better than Johnson.

104055 ▶▶▶▶ James007, replying to Klein, 8, #354 of 1520 🔗

The problem is they have all more or less backed Johnson’s mad strategy, it would be difficult for someone to challenge him now with any credibility.

I find it so depressing that so many backbenchers were prepared to cause no end of trouble on Theresa May’s withdrawal agreement, and yet we have had virtually no meaningful opposition to anything Johnson has done on covid. In my view, Johnson’s strategy on Covid has been one of the most disastrously flawed public policy decisions ever, far exceeding anything that May did.

104042 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Julian, 6, #355 of 1520 🔗

I think the rank and file are stirring from their summer camps – comment of Charles Walker (deputy chair of 1922) this morning on the radio was significant. I have commented on here before, I don’t think Boris lasts much past Christmas. October, for me, is the turning point, triggered by a ‘credit event’. Problem is, who replaces him – needs some grey hairs, backbone and intellect and not sure there are any/many obvious candidates!

104102 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #356 of 1520 🔗

Boris out in 6 months – tallies up nicely with just after the jan 2021 WEF Davos summit where the next set of instructions for the next phase gets issued.

104165 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, #357 of 1520 🔗

Interesting – is there an agenda for that meeting anywhere? Be ‘nice’ to know what horrors they have planned next..

104186 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Carrie, #358 of 1520 🔗

On their website:


Was spoken about in the comments a few days ago in depth about some of the participants and how their tracking technology for cattle cane easily be modified for human use.

104268 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, #359 of 1520 🔗

Oh what fun (not)!

104163 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #360 of 1520 🔗

Steve Baker? John Redwood?

104370 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Carrie, 1, #361 of 1520 🔗

Whoever takes over, it will be a poisoned chalice. But what’s important is the likes of Johnson and Hancock getting their just desserts.

104838 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #362 of 1520 🔗

That’s given me an idea: my MP, Geoffrey Cox!

Think I’ll write to him suggesting he start positioning himself.

Never underestimate a politician’s vanity.

104246 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Julian, #363 of 1520 🔗

My guess is that he will limp on to cut an even more pathetic figure than May and that under all the bluster even he will be fully aware which will be punishment of a sort.

104311 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 2, #364 of 1520 🔗

Murmurings from the 1922 committee.They are not happy with the school mask u-turn.First sign of dissent within Tory party

103965 alw, replying to alw, 48, #365 of 1520 🔗

Went to local independent stationer near here today to buy a couple of cards. He told masked customer. We don’t need masks in here. Three cheers. So many of our small independent shops not requiring masks. True heroes.

104008 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to alw, 7, #366 of 1520 🔗

I wish they were doing that in my neck of the woods. Apart from one shop that has been relaxed throughout, the majority are conforming & it is thoroughly depressing.

103971 Ethelred the Unready, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 1, #367 of 1520 🔗

“The Bungler, my friend, is blowin’ in the wind
The Bungler is blowin’ in the wind” (again…)

104238 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ethelred the Unready, #368 of 1520 🔗

‘Yes, my guard stood hard when abstract threats
Too noble to neglect
Deceived me into thinking
I had something to protect
Good and bad, I define these terms
Quite clear, no doubt, somehow
Ah, but I was so much older then
I’m younger than that now.’

104716 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ethelred the Unready, #369 of 1520 🔗

Soon he might be twisting in the wind. Figuratively speaking.

103973 alw, 4, #370 of 1520 🔗

Re letter from care home to relatives, re DNR, I doubt whether this is legal. You cannot force someone to sign. Consult a lawyer if you receive a letter like this.

103976 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 7, #371 of 1520 🔗

My employer manages a building which the Blood Service uses. It has been going on during Lockdown, and now they are here every week. Usually it was twice a month.

Why do they need so much blood when there are no operations?

103985 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Silke David, 6, #372 of 1520 🔗

Wasn’t the Blood Donor Service sold off years ago to an American outfit who then sold it on a few years later at vast profit to a Chinese mob?

I’m sure it was.

They sell the blood to not just the NHS but excess that isn’t used goes to the highest bidder.

Will try and dig out the reports on it.

104717 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Awkward Git, #373 of 1520 🔗


105129 ▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Awkward Git, #374 of 1520 🔗


103996 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Silke David, 6, #375 of 1520 🔗

Blood is sold internationally – huge profits

104162 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Victoria, 1, #376 of 1520 🔗

Does Peter Hitchens know this? He’s been a blood donor for years – although is refusing to give blood while the NHS make him wear a mask..

I was somewhat shocked when he mentioned in one of his Mike Graham interviews, something about that the press had somehow got hold of the details of his next blood donation appointment and turned up there ready to pounce if he refused a mask – surely that must be a breach of patient confidentiality?

105146 ▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Victoria, #377 of 1520 🔗

Well thank you AG & Victoria, I could have just linked to the Wiki page and waited, but it’s short enough for everyone to see it here:

‘During the 1970s and 1980s it became apparent that Factor VIII products produced at the Blood Products Laboratory, established in 1954 by the Medical Research Council) had infected haemophiliacs with life-threatening viruses.
In 1991 it was renamed the Bio Products Laboratory to reflect the internal market in the National Health Service … BPL began cross-charging NHS hospitals for its products and limited competition in the international blood plasma market was permitted.
In 1998 the BPL began sourcing its plasma from the US due to concerns over vCJD in the UK. ..
On 31 December 2010 the BPL was vested into a limited company, Bio Products Laboratory Ltd, and ownership transferred to the DoH, with BPL Ltd and DCI Biologicals Inc brought under the same DoH holding company, Plasma Resources UK Ltd.
On 18 July 2013 it was announced by Business Secretary Vince Cable that Bain Capital (US firm) had bought 80% of Plasma Resources UK (PRUK) from the DoH for £230m, which included both BPL and DCI Biologicals. The company was subsequently renamed BPL Holdings, with the original BPL site now called BPL Therapeutics and DCI named BPL Plasma. In July 2016, Bain Capital sold BPL Holdings to Creat, a Chinese-based investment company who part own a Chinese plasma fractionator. In 2018, Creat announced plans to integrate BPL with the German plasma products manufacturer Biotest.’

The blood plasma outfit features below its fruit juice enterprise (!) in the link to Creat below:

Selling off the family jewels if you like – we have no domestic control over either PPE production or blood plasma supply now , it’s all run from China.

105100 ▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Silke David, #378 of 1520 🔗

For this, could be a better response than all the vaccine hype (bold type is mine):

NHS Blood and Transplant is now urgently appealing for people to donate convalescent plasma.

The NHS needs as many donors as possible to come forward now who have already had Coronavirus.

The welcome decline in new infections means every potential donor is now even more valuable. Antibody levels are at their highest soon after recovery. A successful trial will enable convalescent plasma to be an additional line of protection during any second wave.

Gail Miflin, Chief Medical Officer, NHS Blood and Transplant, said: “We need people to offer to donate now so we are ready to potentially provide an additional line of protection during any second wave.

“The number of new infections has declined greatly which is fantastic news. Fewer people are getting COVID 19. This does mean we need to work harder to recruit new donors and we urgently need as many people as possible who have recovered to donate, to help us make as much progress as possible now.

“We especially need men who have recovered to donate because they have higher antibody levels. Donating plasma is safe and easy and you could save lives.
“Plasma from people who have recovered from COVID 19 can be transfused into people who are still unwell and struggling to develop their own immune response. The plasma contains neutralising antibodies which could stop the virus spreading. If you’ve had Coronavirus, please consider donating to help others.”

Although there is evidence of patient benefit from the use of convalescent plasma, the safety and effectiveness of COVID 19 convalescent plasma transfusions needs to be confirmed by a robust clinical trial. The trial results are expected later this year although dates will depend on the progress of the pandemic.
Plasma donation takes about 45 minutes. Your body usually replaces the plasma you’ve donated in 24-48 hours. Your body also quickly replaces the antibodies. People can donate plasma as often as every two weeks.

• If you’ve had coronavirus, please offer to donate by calling or 0300 123 23 23 or by visiting http://www.nhsbt.nhs.uk .

103979 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #379 of 1520 🔗

Steve Baker MP letter to Boris on the subject of failing experts.


103982 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Basics, 5, #380 of 1520 🔗

Only taken him 5 months to realise.

What’s he been doing up to now?

104009 ▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #381 of 1520 🔗

Fuck all

104155 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #382 of 1520 🔗

Not getting too involved so as to not be seen as ‘tainted’ (by association with the bad decisions so far taken), if the chance for a ministerial or other position comes up???

104373 ▶▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Carrie, #383 of 1520 🔗

…interesting take, I was about to post something derisive about Steve Baker – re: his silence since his speech in March…

103993 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Basics, 3, #384 of 1520 🔗

Would have been my choice for leader of cons if he had made it to the last two.

104010 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 12, #385 of 1520 🔗

He’s unworthy, though maybe less unworthy than some others

The whole bloody lot of them need clearing out

Cowards and criminals, every man jack of them

104173 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, 1, #386 of 1520 🔗

We need a whole new establishment.

104321 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, #387 of 1520 🔗

Perhaps it’s time to try anarchy.
Anarchy as a serious political alternative, that is.

104666 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kristian Short, replying to annie, #388 of 1520 🔗

Anybody here read Rothbard or Mises?? Anarchy is a lofty and moral prerogative. J. Tucker knows his shit too.

104721 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Kristian Short, 1, #389 of 1520 🔗

The obesity of The State needs tackiing. Serious trimming of the fat.

103986 annie, replying to annie, 28, #390 of 1520 🔗

MW suggested, your wish is my command!

This be the worse

They mask you up, your mum and dad
To send you to your ghastly school
Where moron teachers, coward-mad,
Insist on every stupid rule.

And they were masked up by diktats
Issued by crazy Fascist brutes
To scare the lazy, shiftless rats
The zombie mob, the brainless mutes.

Hysteria flies from man to man,
Sealing the mouth and choking breath:
Humanity’s gone down the pan,
Life’s just another mode of death.

By Annie Larkin
who takes life seriously

104011 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to annie, 7, #391 of 1520 🔗

We don’t need no education
We don’t need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it’s just another brick in the wall.
All in all you’re just another brick in the wall.

104302 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Strange Days, 1, #392 of 1520 🔗

The video had all the children masked if I remember

104460 ▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #393 of 1520 🔗

It does, and if you look at the recent comments this has been noted by quite a few people


104722 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #394 of 1520 🔗

And ground into sausage meat.

103987 Stef, 4, #395 of 1520 🔗

From the Guardian:
“A further nine people who tested positive for coronavirus have died in hospital in England, bringing the total number of confirmed reported deaths in hospitals to 29,524, NHS England said on Wednesday.
The patients were aged between 39 and 84, and all had known underlying health conditions.”

Nice aphorism to say that they didn’t die FOR covid but with Covid.

Essentially if you choose any random element in the population which include more than 300K, you will find daily deaths. But the hoax and the scaremongering shall continue.

103990 swedenborg, 7, #396 of 1520 🔗


Are you in the 99.99% group? Chance of surviving C-19 by age and sex

103992 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #397 of 1520 🔗

Restaurant no shows.


“We’ve been fully booked for over two weeks and half the restaurant didn’t turn up. We turned away dozens of people due to being booked and no walk-ins because of the weather.”

104080 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Basics, 1, #398 of 1520 🔗

They will have to start taking credit card details on bookings and enforcing a no show charge.

103994 NonCompliant, replying to NonCompliant, 5, #399 of 1520 🔗

Just wondering but if people like Toby, Farage, Lidell & Brewer all decided to back a stuff the license fee campaign, would they be likely to end up in court for incitement of criminal behaviour charge or such like?

104001 ▶▶ Mark, replying to NonCompliant, 4, #400 of 1520 🔗

Not if they suggested ditching watching broadcast/live tv as well. Generally good for your sanity and general well-being anyway. Most people have no clue how much they are being indoctrinated just while they are watching the news, soaps and general entertainment.

104013 ▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Mark, 5, #401 of 1520 🔗

It’s a messed up world when the only way of giving the BBC the bird is buying a Vera Lynn record !!!!

104172 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mark, 2, #402 of 1520 🔗

I suspect one reason so many of us are sceptics is thanks to not watching mainstream news or reading newspapers!

104265 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #403 of 1520 🔗

I’m sure that’s correct.

More than that, I think one’s views and general attitudes diverge quite rapidly from those of the mainstream if you don’t, not because yours change any more than is normal, or because you don’t keep in touch with other people in the normal way, but because the mainstream attitudes change artificially rapidly and in manipulated directions, under the pressure of media manipulation.

104727 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mark, #404 of 1520 🔗

They are all woke now.

104048 ▶▶ James007, replying to NonCompliant, 3, #405 of 1520 🔗

Everyone with a TV license is free to cancel it, and if you pay annually, you can get a pro-rata refund when you do. Unless you either: a) watch live TV or b) use BBC iPlayer you do not need a license.
If anyone from TV Licensing (Capita) ever come round, you only have to say that you do not have a license because you do not need one.

104164 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to James007, 3, #406 of 1520 🔗

If anyone from TV Licensing (Capita) ever come round, you only have to say

“Please leave immediately.”.

104000 James007, replying to James007, 11, #407 of 1520 🔗

Getting a new bed delivered in the People’s Democratic Republic of England.

What a bunch of miserable ****s!

“The delivery driver will arrive at your property and leave the items by the door (if delivering to flats, the items will be left by the building door).
The delivery driver will remove himself to a safe distance where they still have visual of the items and call you to advise that the items are outside.
Please do not anticipate the delivery drivers arrival and greet them, please wait until you have received contact from the delivery driver.
POD will not require signing.
The delivery driver will proceed to move onto the next delivery once the items have been accepted by yourself.
Please do not speak with the delivery driver face to face unless extremely necessary.
Please do not ask them to assist with taken the items to the room of choice.
If you have a query, please call our offices and we will be able to assist.”

104023 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to James007, 15, #408 of 1520 🔗

They’re not all like that by any means. I had a washing machine delivered some weeks ago by A. O.Com. Yes, I had a script sent by E-mail saying that they would have to leave the machine on the drive and had to observe social distancing blah, blah. But a subsequent ‘phone conversation to their office assured me that when the delivery men arrived: “talk to them and see what they can do”. The result was that the two men happily came into my house and disconnected the old machine took it away and then installed and test ran the new machine. In other words, a normal delivery service.
The best bit was when they had finished I gave them each a tip and the senior bloke shook my hand warmly.
Regardless of mad rules and written procedures the personal, friendly and common touch work with most people—even now!

104032 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to Harry hopkins, 11, #409 of 1520 🔗

Thanks Harry that gives me some hope,
I went into my usual coffee shop unmasked and as usual had a very warm reception and smiles.
I hate being made to feel like a suspected disease carrier. Much joy has been lost in daily living, but some room for hope remains too.

104053 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to James007, 11, #410 of 1520 🔗

That’s what the company ays.

After having quite a few new carpets and furniture delivered over the past few months it’s not what happens.

Not met a believer delivery driver or workman yet, every last one of them has been a sceptic,

104349 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Awkward Git, #411 of 1520 🔗

In our case, all except one have been fine. He put the heavy parcel down on the pavement and scarpered. I, an old bag, had to pick it up and carry it in. It was only 3 days ago! MW

104065 ▶▶ Paul, replying to James007, 7, #412 of 1520 🔗

Standard script of bollocks,I’ve had emails like that but every delivery I have had has been normal with friendly helpful delivery staff,if it hadn’t been I would have told them to keep the stuff !,at the end of the day if you’re on my property it’s my rules (normality) that apply,no covid bullshit allowed !,come to think of it that would make a good sign to put on our gate.

104072 ▶▶▶ tallandbald, replying to Paul, 9, #413 of 1520 🔗

I had an incident the other day. Delivery driver knocked the door. He was a few seconds early for his machine to open and he could take a picture so i was stood there with my hand out ready for the parcel while he tinkered with the machine. I could see the countdown on his screen. As soon as it let him he ticked something off on his screen and then proceeded to ignore my outstretched hand and leave it on the ground. He walked off with a few choice fucks and wankers ringing round his ears. Policy or no policy.

104134 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to James007, 3, #414 of 1520 🔗

I ordered couches a while back (up to 12 weeks to deliver because of supply chain issues so still waiting) and was told the guys would bring in the new couches but wouldn’t remove the old ones, which was always a service you could pay extra for. I said if the guys are already in my house to drop the new ones, they’re going to have to leave the way they came in so why can’t they take the old ones? The lady was 100% with me, but said the party line is that the new couches are covered in wrap but my old couches are not. OMG! What craziness. She did say that if more restrictions have been lifted by the time the couches are actually ready to be delivered, the policy might change. I will otherwise have to hire a junk removal company who, I understand, are still actually working. Will the insanity ever end??? Just checked the county web site yesterday and there are ZERO cases here.

104161 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to James007, #415 of 1520 🔗

So who were they, James ?

104003 Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #416 of 1520 🔗

Online queuing was unknown to me until lockdown. I discovered the phenomenon by looking for an item on Boots website. An hours wait just to scroll through items on their website.

Today the DVLA website has become overwelmed by learner drivers wanting to book a test. One hopeful to book an exam was number 100,021 in the queue before the great DVLA reset occured and the system crashed.


104047 ▶▶ annie, replying to Basics, 3, #417 of 1520 🔗

Going to do virtual driving tests, are they?

104159 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, 1, #418 of 1520 🔗

Ha ! My wife was 240,000 at one point.

104160 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, #419 of 1520 🔗

(Though how far do we trust government IT to be correct ? 🙂 ).

104276 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to JohnB, #420 of 1520 🔗

Yes ! Did tge wretch ferguson wash up at the DVLA?

104004 helen, replying to helen, 11, #421 of 1520 🔗

Sorry if I am repeating but it needs repeating.

104017 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to helen, #422 of 1520 🔗

Your move plebs……

104731 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to NonCompliant, #423 of 1520 🔗

Merkel’s a jerk.

104020 ▶▶ Basics, replying to helen, #424 of 1520 🔗

Any grounds?

104021 ▶▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Basics, 4, #425 of 1520 🔗

All grounds, squares, meeting halls

104038 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Basics, 1, #426 of 1520 🔗

Apparently as the organisers cannot guarantee that people can keep to C safety guidelines..
I am sure Bittel TV on YT or telegram will report, although only in German. Querdenken 711, Michael Ballweg, main person. Search for them on YT, very active there.
Also Bodo Schiffmann: Alles ausser Mainstream had a livestream today

104043 ▶▶ Julian, replying to helen, 2, #427 of 1520 🔗

Do you have a link to a report of this?

104300 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Julian, 1, #428 of 1520 🔗

https://querdenken-711.de/ Homepage
Press release
Quote from the press release from the Berlin government:
Your participants and the organisers will be in breach of the Corona regulations in aid of stopping the spread of the virus. Your followers claim that their basic rights, as detailed in the Grundgesetz, are curbed, but the stop of the spread and consequences for the health of the wider population due to the Sars Virus take priority.

104574 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Silke David, #429 of 1520 🔗


104087 ▶▶ Jane in France, replying to helen, 5, #430 of 1520 🔗

And yet Germany has seen no excess deaths at all for the covid period.

104369 ▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to helen, #431 of 1520 🔗

I bet you people will attempt to demonstrate, if that’s the case, I hope no one gets hurt 😒

104018 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 10, #432 of 1520 🔗

Having a convo with a zealot on discord.


France is going into school reopening next week with up to 4K cases a day. Mark my words France and Spain are going to see an increase in children catching COVID. In the US, some states have seen an increase of 20% of the virus in kid’s in 2 weeks. You can’t just shield certain sections of society if you let COVID run amok.


“France is going into school reopening next week with up to 4K cases a day.”

But what is happening with hospitalisation and deaths? They continue to flatline.

The word case is being used when in fact the vast majority are asymptomatic positive tests from an unreliable test that can detect RNA residue from weeks, if not months before.  Carl Henegan covers the situation in the UK:


Surely we should be basing actions on hospitalisations and deaths rather than people who are not ill? This study looked at the infectivity of asymptomatic carriers.


Conclusion: In summary, all the 455 contacts were excluded from SARS-CoV-2 infection and we conclude that the infectivity of some asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers might be weak.


Ok, a couple of questions/points:

Do you know for sure that there won’t be a lag, (as there invariably has been) between cases and deaths?

As the current cases are among 20-30 year olds, could they not pass the virus on to the more vulnerable?

For all those mask deniers out there, if there has been a reduction in deaths couldn’t the reason be that face masks have reduced viral load and hence reduced the severity of the disease?

Are improvements in treatments the reason for decreased mortality rather than the virus having weakened?

Is it even worth continuing? Clearly did not read the Henegan piece or the medical articleoris capable of independent thought and research.

104026 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan, 1, #433 of 1520 🔗

I think the point to improved treatments is worth some play. Have heard some ICU nurses say that to me. But it’s of little consequence when deaths are this low.

Ateast they are willing to engage.

104111 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Sarigan, 3, #434 of 1520 🔗

There’s a fascinating reversal of the Null Hypothesis there: mask deniers.

The onus is on mask advocates not the other way round

104150 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sarigan, #435 of 1520 🔗

Maybe send your zealot that interview with a French scientist that was posted the other day? He made his points so calmly and clearly; no hype or show – just facts!

104022 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 19, #436 of 1520 🔗

Get ready for the UK Uni Bait and Switch coming this September.

Universities faculties are kicking off about working conditions in covid Britain. Keep in mind they spent most of the last academic year on strike.

The big universities like Cambridge know people are willing to dish out 9k for a degree from Cambridge so could appease their faculty by openly going online.

The less prestigious universities are baiting students back for their tuition under the promise of in person teaching. It is a near guarantee that once students start acting like students and start socialising these universities will launch a blame campaign on their students and will be “forced” to return to online tuition, appeasing their terrified faculty whilst also stealing 9k from young people by misleading them into thinking they would have in person teaching.

Already happening across the US. If you are in university, have a child approaching university age or even if you understand how important the uni experience is for young people please oppose this from happening

104040 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ricky R, 5, #437 of 1520 🔗

UCL lectures online to start with, labs in person where possible. Campus open, with masks and distancing, but no bars and no fun. Can’t seem them ever going back to how it was unless their market deserts them, but if every Uni does this then what choice do you have (other than not going at all, which may be a good option for some) or paying a lot less for a completely online degree.

The stuff posted on here the other day about halls of residence was revolting.

Hopefully the more enterprising students will adapt and socialise in private houses and pubs and bars outside Uni

104220 ▶▶▶ Emma, replying to Julian, #438 of 1520 🔗

I missed the stuff about university halls of residence. What was it?

104361 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Emma, #439 of 1520 🔗

Whole corridor has to self isolate (meals brought to room) if one person tests positive

104050 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ricky R, 2, #440 of 1520 🔗

Maybe it’s part of this all the going online with education is being pushed so enthusiastically:


From the report:

Project BEST (Better Education Skills through Technology). A sub-project of President Ronald Reagan’s Private Sector Initiative, Project BEST was a plan to corporatize the American education system through public-private partnerships with Big Tech companies which replace human teachers with Skinnerian “teaching machines” programmed with psychological conditioning algorithms that train students for workforce placement in a planned economy.

I think so as Bill Gates and Microsoft are involved an have been for a long, long time.

104147 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, #441 of 1520 🔗

That schools are ‘old technology’ and ‘dead’ was being quoted on UK Column months ago; information apparently from a government source..

104231 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, #442 of 1520 🔗

The Universities have been undergoing such a reform since the 80s. Students have become customers in the new language and universities themselves are knowledge producers.

104106 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ricky R, 2, #443 of 1520 🔗

Think about all the towns, for example Bournemouth, Exeter, Warwick who have added more student accommodation blocks, in some cases right in the centre of town.

What’s going to happen to all that capacity?

104295 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to mhcp, 3, #444 of 1520 🔗

4th industrial revolution.With the increase in computer power a whole raft of jobs will disappear and revolutionise life.
This manufactured crisis has sped the process up.Not just student halls.City centre offices, transport and all the associated business involved in commuting have become redundant.A lot of white collar service jobs will disappear too.The consequences of this are profound even if the crisis ended tomorrow.

104223 ▶▶ Emma, replying to Ricky R, #445 of 1520 🔗

I’ve written to my young person’s university asking for the risk assessment on mask wearing – no reply. That’s about a month ago. What can you do in these circumstances? How can you oppose it other than writing and saying so? Universities and the whole academy as far as I can see are going along with the whole scam.

104308 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Emma, #446 of 1520 🔗

It’s sad, but the only effective opposition will be not going to Uni, and thereby not funding them.

104024 karenovirus, 17, #447 of 1520 🔗

Some minutes ago I was enjoying a few moments of afternoon sun at the front of my house when a mixed group of 8 or 9 mid-teenagers ambled by oblivious of me and the rest of the world.

I paid them little attention bar to note that they all lacked masks (as is usual when only among themselves) but as they passed away one boy was saying quite neutrally
“Have you heard from Rxxx?, I keep texting him but haven’t heard back, he says he’s going to kill himself. If Rxxx kills himself I ain’t…(inaudible)”.

Not the sort of conversation I remember as a teenager.

104029 Ruth Sharpe, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 24, #448 of 1520 🔗

I’m really glad that in some parts of the country, people are ‘rebelling’, as it does give me hope, even if so far it is small numbers.

But I fear my corner of the Peoples Republic of Scotland will be one of the last to come out of this – if at all, judging by the hairdresser’s opinion of lockdown today:

Hairdresser: we have to save every single life at risk of this disease.

Reply: what about those with other diseases and illnesses?

Answer: this disease is far worse.

I won’t even go into the rest of the conversation.

104033 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 5, #449 of 1520 🔗

My stock reply is simply “no it isn’t”, usually in response to ‘isn’t the Covid terrible?’ or, even better, ‘well at least the vaccine will be here soon’. “No it won’t “.

104039 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 6, #450 of 1520 🔗

How do you respond to such stupidity? I would not have the patience.

104591 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Silke David, #451 of 1520 🔗

I’m certainly not intending to have my hair cut for another 9 months! (We are limited for hairdressers in our community.)

104125 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 2, #452 of 1520 🔗

I always think of Monty Python when I hear comments like that.

104178 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Chris Hume, 1, #453 of 1520 🔗

All the scripts available here – http://www.montypython.50webs.com/index.html

104286 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 1, #454 of 1520 🔗

Ugh, but yes these dangerously thoughtless people are allowed to drive cars.

104592 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Basics, #455 of 1520 🔗

Funnily enough, the conversation went onto cars … her’s broke down at the weekend!

104030 Biker, 19, #456 of 1520 🔗

Masks in schools, next it’ll be masks outside and then the deletion centres i mean detention centres. There’s gonna be blood on the streets.

104031 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 4, #457 of 1520 🔗

If the government is going to pay to put endless propaganda on Spotify, can they at least get somebody who can pronounce their T’s…

104886 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Lucan Grey, #458 of 1520 🔗

Those awful adverts are what finally pushed me into paying for Spotify Premium so it’s in Spotify’s favour that they’re as annoying as possible!

104034 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 51, #459 of 1520 🔗

Masks. If you dispute whether they work or not, you’ve already conceded that they would be a good idea if science showed they ‘work’.

You’ve already lost the argument. All ‘they’ have to do is produce more ‘studies’ showing they ‘work’ than your side, then claim a ‘scientific consensus’. And, worse, you’ve conceded that it is therefore logical to do it permanently.

The argument should never have been about whether they ‘work’. The argument is about whether it’s a free country, and especially whether anyone should be forced into wearing a humiliating badge of compliance. The default position should be freedom, not science.

In the old days, we might have been able to rely on parliamentary statesmen who would stand up for principles like this, but no more.

104037 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Barney McGrew, 19, #460 of 1520 🔗

I tend to agree that it’s best to argue from freedom to start with, though the fact that they don’t work is helpful too. I tend to think the same about lockdown. There comes a point where the threat is so grave that masks and lockdowns could be justified, if they worked, but we’re nowhere near that. Freedom has been wildly underpriced in the (non-existent) cost benefit calculation. Most people don’t seem to value it very highly. Easily fooled/bought.

And as Mark pointed out, in the case where the threat was genuinely grave, people would not need to be compelled to wear masks or stay at home – they would do so voluntarily, out of pure self-preservation.

104052 ▶▶▶ Stuart Barker, replying to Julian, 7, #461 of 1520 🔗

Agreed. Whether things work or not is relevant to any honest cost-benefit analysis. Freedom is part of the cost. The fact that they don’t work in any significant sense (and the threat is small to start with) means the benefit side is simple nowhere near justifying the cost side.

It can be counterproductive to argue from a purist freedom point of view because it’s too easy to dismiss that as lacking logic in the same way as a purist ‘save every life at any cost’ argument. And there are plenty of entirely legitimate ways in which freedom in the strictest sense is constrained in order to have a functioning society; they’ll just be tossed back at you as counterexamples.

104192 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Stuart Barker, 7, #462 of 1520 🔗

As Lord Sumption said, freedom is not absolute, but it has a very high value. Some of us value it more highly than others, and the difference between the valuations is currently gigantic, tragically, meaning that the society we are now in is intolerable for us

104056 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Julian, 9, #463 of 1520 🔗

Absolutely. But even in the case of something really nasty, is it the state’s place to take absolute control without limits, and with no default ‘sunset’ on it? To me, this whole thing looks like a disaster that was always waiting to happen. There is literally no one who can save us from ourselves.

104068 ▶▶▶▶ Stuart Barker, replying to Barney McGrew, 8, #464 of 1520 🔗

Indeed, there absolutely are limits and there must be an exit strategy; both manifestly missing from the government’s handling of this!

IMO even in the early days when the WHO feared a 3.4% fatality rate I still thought the measures adopted were an unjustified overreaction. If it had been 34%.. then I might have had some sympathy. But I guess I’m just a callous granny killer…

104076 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Stuart Barker, 7, #465 of 1520 🔗

When the World Health Organisation announced the 3.4 percent fatality rate, Chris Whitty immediately stated that it was obviously wrong and explained why and said that the true rate would be less than one percent. And this was broadcast live by the BBC and Sky News.

104120 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #466 of 1520 🔗

Yes and that is hard to forget because he was so convincing and it is turning out that way. So why does he not speak up now? I feel he has lost his integrity in this also

104142 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to wendy, #467 of 1520 🔗

Because he is now in the pay of the WHO and also indebted to Bill Gates..

104143 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Steve Hayes, #468 of 1520 🔗

I think you mean Sir Chris Whitty.

104181 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #469 of 1520 🔗

Never absolute control without limits or sunset – should always be proportionate to the threat, the minimum plausibly required to address the issue. That’s exactly what didn’t happen.

104151 ▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to Julian, 7, #470 of 1520 🔗

There comes a point where the threat is so grave that masks and lockdowns could be justified, if they worked, but we’re nowhere near that. Freedom has been wildly underpriced in the (non-existent) cost benefit calculation. Most people don’t seem to value it very highly.

This is pretty much the essence of what disturbs me so much about the current situation (i.e. the last few months, especially the last 6 weeks or so)

One of the things that also disturbs me about mask-wearing is that there seems to be an acceptance in some quarters (official and media as well as individuals) that they may not do much to prevent spread, but they are important as a gesture of “social confirmity”, “solidarity”, “showing you care about others”, etc. This is almost the inverse of Barney McGrew’s freedom argument above – paternalism and conformity as a matter of principle – regardless of the science or logic – rather than freedom of choice as principle.

I would slightly disagree that whether masks “work” is an irrelevant argument, since most people seem to value their safety from the “deadly” virus more than their freedom or others’ (see Julian’s post), and use the usual “libertarian, selfish, irresponsible” labels for those who disagree.
But I’d say another key argument, apart from whether they work or not, is whether the threat is actually remotely proportionate to mandatory mask-wearing for everyone! Which is definitely not the case here in the UK at this stage of the pandemic.

104738 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Drawde927, 1, #471 of 1520 🔗

Yes, what you say is fine, though as you probably know, cloth masks do not provide any measurable protection and are also a possible health hazard for the wearer. So that’s it, nothing more really needs to be said. The lies that we have recently been told saying that masks will halt the spread of the coronavirus are the result of “paid for science” are simply based on opinion and can be regarded as yet more bullshit.


104114 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Barney McGrew, 10, #472 of 1520 🔗

I also think they lost the plot when they forced the masking. Anything that is so cut and dried, so intuitively right, does not require a mandate. People would voluntarily engage in the behaviour being encouraged — they wouldn’t need to be forced. There was natural social distancing going on before the lockdown and people were choosing not to go to venues with large numbers of people, the gym, etc. And of course we can look at Sweden — a small number of people choose to wear a mask but the vast majority do not and they are doing just fine. Mandatory masking has clearly become a tool of social control; if it made sense people would do it voluntarily.

104570 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #473 of 1520 🔗

Agree completely. The problem is that the human herd (most people) doesn’t seem to care too much about the liberty argument. And the safety argument seems to work better with them. It seems to be a better tactical option.

104587 ▶▶ Fed up, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #474 of 1520 🔗

I think the argument starts even earlier: that individuals should be held responsible for potentially exposing another due to the presence of an air borne virus in their systems of which the absence of any illness means they are completely unaware. I have never felt the need to hold anyone accountable for the multitudes of viruses I have been exposed to. This concept means masks can always be justified. I find it unbearably depressing.

104046 Alethea, replying to Alethea, 109, #475 of 1520 🔗

To everyone who has been posting here for months, Thank you. I have been taking heart from your comments every day.
I am posting today for the first time. I want to encourage everyone else who reads but doesn’t post to do it at least once. It will encourage us all to know how many of us there are.
There’s often very interesting and substantial discussion here of the nature of lockdown scepticism as a political position. I usually vote Labour, because to me that party best represents the values of mutual responsibility and care for human vulnerability that make for a decent society. That is why I am so astonished and alienated by Labour’s total failure to oppose the government’s lockdown policies since March. Lockdown was an assault on the most basic structures of human community, with the exception of the nuclear family, which was idealised and totalised as the natural unit of domestic existence. The public sphere was virtually abrogated. Social life was prohibited. People who live alone were condemned to an extraordinary state of isolation, their suffering ideologically invisible to the state and to the mainstream media. Lockdown purports to act in the interests of community, but it acts in fact to destroy community. It affects to attend to human vulnerability (as against a concern ‘for the economy’) but it not only ignores the most fundamental human need for contact and companionship but actively exacerbates that vulnerability, entrenching and mandating a terrible loss of individual and collective wellbeing.
As a feminist, my disgust at and rejection of everyday mask-wearing could not be more intense, or more resolute. The face is the primary site of expression and communication in Anglo-European (and many other) cultures. The face represents our humanity and our belonging, our right to be seen and heard in our communities. It requires us to take responsibility for ourselves as participants in the social sphere, and it enables us to do so meaningfully and powerfully.
Everyday mask-wearing is a metastasization of lockdown. The barriers to community – in lockdown, the walls of each family or individual’s home – have been relocated to the faces of the people around us: in shops, on trains, at the post office, more and more in the street. My workplace, a university, has now mandated masks throughout the campus. I face a term of teaching in which I may never see the faces of my students, my colleagues, the librarians, or the nice women in the campus cafe from whom I buy a coffee twice a day. ‘I face’: our language is richly structured by terms like this. As social creatures, as language-users, we face the world with a language of the face.
There has never been a liberal, progressive or honourably conservative instance of mandatory everyday mask-wearing. It is a gross assault on bodily integrity. This is the absolute base-level of the political: the state versus my body.
My body, my choice.

104054 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Alethea, 24, #476 of 1520 🔗

I come more I suppose from the right of the political spectrum and wholeheartedly agree with you. Being able to see who you are speaking to is about more than just communication it’s being human.

104066 ▶▶ Tommo, replying to Alethea, 20, #477 of 1520 🔗

I’m with you and of a similar political persuasion. We need more lefties to come out and denounce this stuff.

104315 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tommo, 12, #478 of 1520 🔗

Just hit them from left, right, and centre.
Resisting evil is not a political stance, it’s a moral imperative.

104734 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #479 of 1520 🔗

Like Muhammed Ali, float like a butterly and sting like a bee.

104074 ▶▶ davews, replying to Alethea, 29, #480 of 1520 🔗

Thankyou. I don’t share your political leanings (and now regret how I voted in December) but as a single person living alone I very much share your concerns of the effects of lockdown on us. As you say we have just been forgotten – and as a church member I have to say I have had surprisingly little help from my own church. Face masks – I commented on a different forum yesterday that every time I see one I want to scream. It is indeed useful that we have LS to help us get through the day.

104075 ▶▶ Klein, replying to Alethea, 17, #481 of 1520 🔗

Good to hear from you…stand up to the bastards and refuse to comply

104089 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Alethea, 28, #482 of 1520 🔗

Beautifully written! This site is an interesting place where those of all political persuasions have something in common and can be civil and respectful even with respect to topics upon which there is disagreement. I’ve come to discover that I am now a one issue voter, and my issue is freedom/civil rights. I think it’s the one value we all share here on Lockdown Sceptics. I’ve taught university as well and I would not lecture with a mask and would implore my students not to wear one either. I’d probably be fired promptly! I hope you are able to teach with integrity this term. Please keep us posted.

104097 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Alethea, 14, #483 of 1520 🔗

Welcome to the comments Alethea! Please post some more.

104196 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to DressageRider, 6, #484 of 1520 🔗

Anyone who can come up with words such as metastasization certainly impresses me..

104139 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Alethea, 13, #485 of 1520 🔗

Everyday mask-wearing is a metastasization of lockdown. The barriers to community – in lockdown, the walls of each family or individual’s home – have been relocated to the faces of the people around us: in shops, on trains, at the post office, more and more in the street.’ – I hadn’t thought about it like that, but you are absolutely right!

An excellent post, and so eloquently expressed – are you by any chance a languages teacher, Alethea?! 😉

104152 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Alethea, 6, #486 of 1520 🔗

Thanks for posting! Always good to see lurkers let us know there are more of us than we think!!

104168 ▶▶ Arkleston, replying to Alethea, 8, #487 of 1520 🔗

Thank you for posting for the first time and I look forward to reading your future posts. I agree so strongly with your comments about the face being the site of expression and was even wondering today for the first time how this affects sign language. Don’t signers sometimes point to body parts as well as communicating with their hands, and if they point to their masked face, how would you know which face part – nose, mouth, tongue, etc. – they are referring to?
Perhaps someone with more expertise on this could confirm if masks make this an issue for sign language.

104197 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Alethea, 13, #488 of 1520 🔗

What a fantastically articulate comment that so eloquently expresses why I find masks so distressing and disturbing. When you take a step back and realise how much of an encroachment a mask is on our own bodies it’s truly frightening.

104203 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Poppy, 15, #489 of 1520 🔗

The average person would say to you “but it’s only while you’re in a shop” or “Let’s just do this until the virus is beaten|” or something like that. But one of the burdens of being a Lockdown Sceptic is that, for some reason, we are able to see where this is going. And it isn’t just in shops, for a limited time.

104470 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #490 of 1520 🔗

And where it’s going is not about masks. The mask is just another means of getting us to say “yes please” when Bill points his genocidal syringe in our direction.

104736 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Rowan, #491 of 1520 🔗

Stick that genocidal syringe in his backside first. Figuratively speaking.

104229 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Alethea, 6, #492 of 1520 🔗

Best 1st post ever! You are amazing Alethea

104298 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Alethea, 6, #493 of 1520 🔗

My smile shall be free

104508 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Basics, 1, #494 of 1520 🔗

Great comment Basics.

104306 ▶▶ Emma, replying to Alethea, 5, #495 of 1520 🔗

Please, locate your sceptical colleagues and resist this anti-human nonsense.

104313 ▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 6, #496 of 1520 🔗

Eloquent, elegant, convincing: Alethea, you are well named.
And most heartily welcome.

104341 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Alethea, 5, #497 of 1520 🔗

Working at a university the penny may not have dropped for you yet but a big chunk of the working class have come to the realisation that labour supporters hate them even more than Tories ever have.
This whole thing is gonna screw the working man & the young. Labour & Conservatives are both culpable.

104352 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Alethea, 6, #498 of 1520 🔗

Welcome and excellent first post!!

You are very spot on with the importance of our faces as part of our humanity and as a tool for communication. It has been said that communication is 10-20% verbal and 80-90% non verbal and for that we need to see other people’s faces. Masks rob people of their humanity, individuality and ability to communicate as well as an extension of the lockdown which is essentially a barrier to normal human interaction and ability to foster relationships.

104858 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to richard riewer, 1, #500 of 1520 🔗

Interesting article. Thanks a lot!

104583 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Alethea, 3, #501 of 1520 🔗

What an excellent post, logically argued but also from the heart. I posted a while ago about logic versus emotion (Brutus versus Mark Antony) and how most people are persuaded by emotional appeals, ignoring logic. But Alethea’s post covers both angles and is all the better for it.

104642 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Alethea, 4, #502 of 1520 🔗

Well done Alethea .I see a lot of people on here talking about their political opinions and often arguing.which i feel is a great shame as the greatest thing we can do is unite with all people from across the political spectrum who are against the lockdown. Anyway great that you have taken the first step to write something ,i myself listened for months and only wrote something the other week.Lets hope loads more are watching and are encouraged to join in . Well done again a great thought out article .

104058 Will, replying to Will, 10, #503 of 1520 🔗

With these ridiculous mask mandates it becomes ever clearer that these langers are desperate to maintain the spread of whatever covid is left to keep up the fear levels so they can claim credit for “beating” the virus.

104070 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Will, 2, #504 of 1520 🔗

Langer is a word I haven’t heard before! Just googled it to check it isn’t a typo.

104213 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ossettian, #505 of 1520 🔗

Possibly a Cork man in the midst

104629 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Will, #506 of 1520 🔗

Exactly Will.

104059 Chris Hume, replying to Chris Hume, 35, #507 of 1520 🔗

Hi Liberty, as promised please see the letter I have written to the Headmaster of my daughter’s school. It is an Independent school so therefore has no requirement to follow Government guidance. My so is in state school, but we havent heard about their policy yet.

Dear Mr xxxx,

Thank you for your e-mail of yesterday (25/08/20) setting out the school’s various policies with respect to the reopening of the school next month.

As the title of this e-mail suggests, I am writing to you with specific reference to your stated policy on face coverings being mandated to be worn by pupils in the school. Whilst I fully appreciate that you, the school governors and everybody else involved in taking such a decision have had to weigh up a number of difficult issues, I am very concerned by this decision and have a number of questions, which I would like to have satisfactorily  answered before I can permit my daughter to comply with this requirement.

i)                   I would like to see a copy of the risk assessment that has been undertaken with regards to this new school policy.
ii)                  I would like to understand why it was deemed acceptable to mandate children to wear masks without any consultation with parents?
iii)                What is the policy with regards to checking that pupils are keeping the face coverings clean,    are not leaving them on surfaces and are changed regularly to maintain hygiene?
iv)                What safeguards do you have in place for pupils who may experience difficulties in breathing or become faint?
v)                  What sanctions do you propose for children who remove their face coverings in corridors or other areas which you have deemed appropriate for face coverings to be worn?
vi)                How do you intend to police the wearing of face masks in the specific settings you have decided upon?

As I said at the outset, I do fully understand the challenges the school faces in the face of pressures from various groups, but I think it would have been prudent, and much appreciated, if the school had consulted ALL parents – as key stakeholders in, and funders of the school – before taking such a significant decision. I do wish to stress that I want answers to all the questions, point by point as they are each very important . I am fairly confident that I am not the only parent concerned by this issue and I hope that we can all be satisfied by the responses you give.

Yours Sincerely,

Christopher Hume

104069 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Chris Hume, 13, #508 of 1520 🔗

Good letter. The other issue is what about exemptions? How can they ensure that those that qualify are not stigmatised or bullied? I also think that part of the risk assessment must include a complete revisiting of their policies, procedures and support systems regarding mental health issues.

104092 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Achilles, 16, #509 of 1520 🔗

In Germany, they have now become mandatory even during class.
And if your child has an exemption, there are no self-certified ones, only official ones signed by a doctor, it is not allowed to attend school.

A true dictatorship, but the first one that made it a policy to torture children.
And the first one that made their parents accept just that.

104305 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #510 of 1520 🔗

Not the first criminal government that Germany has had.
But a worthy successor to the previous one.

104745 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jay Berger, #511 of 1520 🔗

Back to the good old days in Germany? Never trusted Merkel.

104108 ▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Achilles, 5, #512 of 1520 🔗

Yes, I deliberately left that out at this stage because I didnt want them to go on about that and attempt to turn it ionto a debate as to my daughter’s eligibility (or otherwise) for an exemption. It’s up my sleeve for rounds two and three though!

104132 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Chris Hume, #513 of 1520 🔗

Good to be prepared that this may be a ‘match’ of several ’rounds’!!!

104158 ▶▶▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Carrie, 4, #514 of 1520 🔗

oh yes, I think it could be a long bout! 🙂

104073 ▶▶ Stuart Barker, replying to Chris Hume, 10, #515 of 1520 🔗

Yes. I have written a similar letter. I also noted that the school quoted the WHO so I quoted back that its guidance suggested face coverings in schools in areas where there is “known or suspected widespread transmission and limited or no capacity to implement other containment measures” and asked for evidence that those factors applied in our area.

104098 ▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Stuart Barker, 3, #516 of 1520 🔗

Thanks stub. Our school mentioned Who as well. Have copied taht line now. Thanks!!

104705 ▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Stuart Barker, 1, #517 of 1520 🔗

Important to clarify — are they quoting the WHO who said a couple of months ago, healthy people do not need to wear masks? (literally just hours after Trump’s America was bringing in mandatory masking…!) — or the other WHO? the iconic leader of which, Roger Daltry, was reported as saying he was not prepared to wrap everything in cotton wool & those advising people to do so should “go F** themselves!”

104746 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Stuart Barker, #518 of 1520 🔗

The flip-flopping W.H.O.?

104094 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Chris Hume, 6, #519 of 1520 🔗

Everyone keep hammering the risk assessment angle and if you ever do see it rip the justifications for the mitigations apart.

104307 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #520 of 1520 🔗

Something people on this site can profitably collaborate on.

104101 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to Chris Hume, 5, #521 of 1520 🔗

Good letter! I think my son’s school are doing as little as they can get away with, which is fine. For some reason the boys are not allowed to wear ties (son is delighted). I thought about asking the headmaster if this was because the stupid regulations were considered likely to suck so much joy out of school life that the boys might be tempted to hang themselves or whether the fumes from the excessive hand sanitiser and the “anti viral disinfectant” being sprayed liberally by the new “fogging machine” might cause hallucinations with the same risk. However, I actually think he is doing all he can so I will be nice.

104105 ▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Jenny, 1, #522 of 1520 🔗

Thanks. Sounds like your son’s school is taking the right approach. I will post the reply when it comes…

104747 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jenny, #523 of 1520 🔗

Tie sniffing could make one nauseous.

104131 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Chris Hume, 2, #524 of 1520 🔗

Excellent letter! I particularly look forward to hearing the reply to the question re risk assessment 😉

104204 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Chris Hume, 1, #525 of 1520 🔗

Excellent letter, Chris.

104580 ▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to JohnB, #526 of 1520 🔗

Thanks John

104532 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Chris Hume, 1, #527 of 1520 🔗

Great letter Chris, I hope you don’t mind if I nick it to use for my children please? My writings keep turning to confrontational because I’m fed up with the nonsense. Keep up the good work and please keep us posted. Regards, Arnie.

104577 ▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Arnie, #528 of 1520 🔗

Thanks Arnie. Please do. We need to put them on the back foot. Having to keep justifying nonsense is difficult!

104568 ▶▶ GLT, replying to Chris Hume, 1, #529 of 1520 🔗

Great letter, Chris. No mask requirements (yet) but I did get a letter advising me to name sports kit as unnamed lost property would have to be quarantined. Didn’t know whether to laugh or cry….

104757 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Chris Hume, #530 of 1520 🔗

I don’t have kids but this would stress me out if I did. I realise this is your battle and you have to choose your rounds wisely, I would be fascinated to know a couple more if it were me… vii) Why didn’t you ask people to wear them this time last year? viii) At what point will it be considered sensible to stop this policy?

104064 Tommo, replying to Tommo, 42, #531 of 1520 🔗

Just went to my local Spar. 60% not wearing masks. This is the highest I have seen. Pleasure to see faces and smile at people. Generally good atmosphere. Genuinely think there has been a shift in attitudes during past week – towards scepticism. We need to keep talking to people we know – trying to explain in calm but logical way about absurdity of lockdowns / masks. We need to keep posting on MSM articles. Optimistic we can stop this nonsense.

104301 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tommo, 1, #532 of 1520 🔗

Good to hear, Tommo!

104071 mrjoeaverage, replying to mrjoeaverage, 6, #533 of 1520 🔗

I see they have removed an extremely important metric from the Gov’s Covid staging website. Namely, those left in hospital. It was about 470 remaining from memory when I checked a few days ago, with about 50 remaining in ICU.

Miraculously (?!), they have now removed this metric; see here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare

If you hover your mouse across, it just says data not available for this metric.

Coincidence or by design?!

But they have no issue keep mentioning the cases on this same website area.

104078 ▶▶ hotrod, replying to mrjoeaverage, #534 of 1520 🔗

I suggested that last night too

104129 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to mrjoeaverage, 4, #536 of 1520 🔗

In Sweden there are now only 184 people in hospital, of which 23 are in intensive care (and of those 23, 16 are either in the Stockholm or Gothenburg areas)

Eleven fewer people in hospital than last Thursday – slow and steady drop in the numbers.

And we now have one region with NO one in hospital with the virus at all!

104524 ▶▶ Christopher Bowyer, replying to mrjoeaverage, #537 of 1520 🔗

The patients in hospital data is now back up there happily, although their website is still having technical difficulties & has been like that for the last day or so 🙁 As the website is run by PHE (the feedback e-mail address at the bottom of the page is a @phe.gov.uk one) I’m surprised there’s anyone there who is competent to turn a computer on, let alone use one!

104077 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #538 of 1520 🔗

My daughter and her fiancé both work within the civil service and they have been working from home throughout using secure computer links.

104083 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to p02099003, 1, #539 of 1520 🔗

Me too, I can’t wait to get back to the office.

104081 Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 9, #540 of 1520 🔗

A question for my fellow sceptics. Who is your least favourite government propaganda star on the radio? I find Steph the bus driver particularly annoying!

104088 ▶▶ Tommo, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 7, #541 of 1520 🔗

Ha! Just heard Steph on LBC. Her patronising tone really winds me up!

104090 ▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #542 of 1520 🔗

Yeah I mean wtf is her accent?

Skeptic Podcast: https://bedwetters.buzzsprout.com/

104145 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 6, #543 of 1520 🔗

“I want to see you all wearing a face covering…”


104180 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #544 of 1520 🔗

“Unless you’ve got a GOOD REASON not to!”

104154 ▶▶ Will, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #545 of 1520 🔗

The twat delivery driver urging sheeple to get a test grinds my gears.

104299 ▶▶ annie, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #546 of 1520 🔗

That revolting Estuary English tosser on Classic FM. who spends his evil little life getting himself tested.

104466 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 1, #547 of 1520 🔗

I don’t watch any TV or listen to any Radio any more.

104082 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 37, #548 of 1520 🔗

Just been to Sainsbury’s, sadly 99% maskage.

Disgustingly almost all school children 5 years up masked, most with parents. 1 young mum masked carrying her young baby in a sling. How is that a positive thing for a baby to see.

I do like to stare the masked warriors in the eye, almost all look away or at their feet, is it fear, embarrassment, self loathing.

Lady who served me at the fag counter looked relieved to see a human face and we shared pleasantries and a laugh about nothing in particular, her mood visibly changed compared to when she served the 3 faceless people who were before me.

Complete madness, but it makes my resolve stronger as I feel I’m the one who is right to be breathing clean air, it really is a fuck you to all those who are brainwashed and compliant.

104085 ▶▶ Klein, replying to stefarm, 8, #549 of 1520 🔗

Its embarrassment, I’m sure of it. I remember I was about to walk in bareback to B&Q and there was a guy coming from the other direction – I slowed down to let him go first, and he hung back as he fished out his mask from his pocket, almost looking away as he put it on. Looked like he was ashamed.

104104 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Klein, 19, #550 of 1520 🔗

I think you are right. When I go shopping now I like to take my time and stroll around deliberately slowing my pace even to the extent of walking up and down every aisle, just to confuse the faceless zombies, I also walk around smiling to myself.

104117 ▶▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to stefarm, 10, #551 of 1520 🔗

Great stuff. Me too. I love it!! It gives me a buzz every time. Same on trains. I feel a bit sorry for some startled elderly folks though so I always take care to smile nicely at that them.

104122 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Chris Hume, 12, #552 of 1520 🔗

I make a point os asking the oldies whoa re panting and puffing behind mask if they are OK and mention that they can take it off if it give them problems as this is an exemption and perfectly legal.

It’s not good how many of them don’t believe me though.

I even do my best smile, not too much like Hannibal Lector.

104456 ▶▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to stefarm, 2, #553 of 1520 🔗

Yeah, I always have a good stroll up and down a few aisles I’ve no need to visit. My last visit on Friday I saw no one outside of myself without a muzzle. My Wife did say when she nipped in later she saw a few though. Does feel like a lost cause.

104095 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to stefarm, 22, #554 of 1520 🔗

With each successive day these people subject themselves to this humiliating and degrading ritual, they are eroding their individuality and self-esteem. In time we will see a tsunami of mental health issues as a result, especially in children.

I strongly suspect this is one of the main reasons for the mask mandates. A psychologically enfeebled population will be far more compliant.

104116 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, 8, #555 of 1520 🔗

…and more likely to accept the vaccine..

104124 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Carrie, 5, #556 of 1520 🔗

Exactly, and thereby securing their fate.

104135 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Carrie, 5, #557 of 1520 🔗

If they live that long. With reduced sunshine, darker evenings, and cooler weather, I can’t help but agree with Richard’s “tsunami”.

Positive mental attitude, and at least a moderate self-esteem, are essential for good health.

104294 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Richard O, 5, #558 of 1520 🔗

Can it get any more compliant than obliterating its own children’s smiles?

104096 ▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to stefarm, 15, #559 of 1520 🔗

Great work. Well done! I’ve not worn a mask in one shop yet. I’ve not been to the highstreet since March – and nor will I until this stupidity ends.

Podcast: https://bedwetters.buzzsprout.com/

104110 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 9, #560 of 1520 🔗

I’ve not covered my nose and mouth but have deployed the confuse-a-cat chin strap method quite a lot in big supermarkets. It’s good in a way because you can see people don’t know how to react. Is it defiance on my part? A medical emergency? Forgetfulness? Idiocy? They don’t like the brief mental turmoil that passes through their sheep’s brains,..

104750 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 1, #561 of 1520 🔗

The highstreet might be a ghost town by the time this stupidity ends.

104118 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to stefarm, 9, #562 of 1520 🔗

It’s amazing how the muzzled and cowed cannot look you in your unmuzzled openly showing face isn’t it?

104121 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #563 of 1520 🔗

Yes, I find it incredible this has all happened in less than 6 motnhs

104297 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to stefarm, 2, #564 of 1520 🔗

Imagine if people could look forward from last January and see what they were going to become.

104433 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #565 of 1520 🔗

I’ve noticed that a lot. Really bizarre, its as if they’re afraid to look at a face.

Makes you wonder why.

104292 ▶▶ annie, replying to stefarm, 3, #566 of 1520 🔗

You are right.
Also healthy, sensible, brave, and human.
Be proud!

104871 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to stefarm, #567 of 1520 🔗

People masking their babies really scares me. Not just for all the developmental stuff they’re missing out on but have none of these parents heard about SIDS (formerly known as cot death?) I really don’t think it’s a good idea to do anything that might hinder a baby’s breathing/movement.

104091 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 26, #568 of 1520 🔗

My two badges with the words: ‘Covid 1984—Not brainwashed’ arrived today.

I’ve already attached one to my gardening cap which will be transferable to my ‘Tilley’ hat when I take on a smarter appearance.
The other will be affixed to my jumper/jacket/coat whatever/whenever I choose.

I will wear them with pride!

104100 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #569 of 1520 🔗


104166 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #570 of 1520 🔗

Haven’t heard from Two-Six in a while. I think he is away in Ludlow but usually makes an appearance.

104214 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #571 of 1520 🔗

Well in Harry!

104290 ▶▶ annie, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #572 of 1520 🔗

Been doing that for days now.It really stiffens the backbone!
Buy them, everybody! Available on eBay, made by our very own two-six.

104093 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 15, #573 of 1520 🔗

The latest bit of comedy from our Government..BBC News….

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has blamed a “mutant algorithm” for this summer’s exam results fiasco.
“I am afraid your grades were almost derailed by a mutant algorithm and I know how stressful that must have been,” Mr Johnson told pupils at a school in Leicestershire.”

Dear Boris and Co, its not funny.

104099 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to cloud6, 7, #574 of 1520 🔗

It’s certainly not clever – allowing 40% grade inflation.

104128 ▶▶ James007, replying to cloud6, 8, #575 of 1520 🔗

A mutant Prime Minister, and a government hopelessly out of their depth.

104752 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to cloud6, 1, #576 of 1520 🔗

A mutant algorithm like Ferguson’s Model?

104112 Awkward Git, 2, #577 of 1520 🔗

Here’s a question I’ve not seen before:

Why was the British Templeton Prize of $1.3 MIL awarded to Dr. Fauci’s Boss on May 20, 2020?

104126 Richard, replying to Richard, 20, #578 of 1520 🔗

Update on Parish Council meeting ! Decided to play with straight bat so no marking tapes or anything – turned out three sensible people arrived no masks, no social distancing and actually helpful. Suspect pretty sceptical too and this is causing them all sorts of challenges with trying to re-open children’s playgrounds etc. Anyway hope this cheers a few of you up – there are some rays of hope out there !

104372 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Richard, 1, #579 of 1520 🔗

Good news, cheered me a little. Initial resevations in some is inevitable after the fear, I sense somr people only need to be led a little before normality begins to resurface in them.

104136 OKUK, 12, #580 of 1520 🔗

Spent an enjoyable afternoon in the pub. Albeit non alcoholic on this occasion. Life pretty much back to normal. Virtually zero social distancing. Bit like 1984 where the plebs are allowed a bit of freedom, so long as no one directly confronts the ruling ideology. Amusingly the pub vid screen was showing successive cartoon images of various political leaders (including Sturgeon and Putin) directing customers to stay in their seats and not mix. The admonition was being roundly ignored by just about all the patrons!

104137 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #581 of 1520 🔗


Seeding of outbreaks of COVID-19by contaminated fresh and frozen food

“Infectivity was maintained for 3 weeks in both the refrigerated (4°C) and frozen (–20°C and –80°C) samples.”

“We believe it is possible that contaminated imported food can transfer virus to workers as well as the environment. An infected food handler has the potential to become an index case of a new outbreak. The international food market is massive and even a very unlikely event could be expected to occur from time to time.”

Brazil has a big C-19 outbreak and is one of the biggest meat exporters in the world. St Jacinda and NZ probably need to eat lamb for the rest of their lives.

104140 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to swedenborg, 3, #582 of 1520 🔗

Next stop – ban food.

104148 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #583 of 1520 🔗

Wouldn’t it be simpler to ban humans?

104153 ▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to OKUK, 3, #584 of 1520 🔗

Probably not nearly so much fun for these psychopaths as breaking us down bit by bit. I suspected politicians didn’t like the electorate much but never that they seem to hate us?

104285 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to OKUK, #585 of 1520 🔗

Been done. Zombies only in most places now.

104449 ▶▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to OKUK, #586 of 1520 🔗

Why don’t we all just close our eyes and stop breathing. Job done!

104207 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to swedenborg, #587 of 1520 🔗

I wonder about pomelo fruit imported from China in the very early months of the year…

104287 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lms23, 3, #588 of 1520 🔗

They probably tested them, but muddled the results with those from pawpaws.

104146 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #589 of 1520 🔗

Rather than scroll down to find it here is my answer to the question about NHS blood products with no operations on going:

“NHS” blood services was sold off to an American venture capitalist company then onto to a Chinese company making £620 million profit:



The was the initial US investors:


Mitt Romney? The US politician? He “owned” the US company that bought the blood service? What was this pay-off for? What services rendered?

104179 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #590 of 1520 🔗

I bet Peter Hitchens doesn’t know this.

104212 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ossettian, 3, #591 of 1520 🔗

I wouldn’t take that bet as very few people know the blood donor service, even though it uses the NHS logo, is a private company.

It’s the reason my wife stopped donating.

Add in the opt-out organ donation scheme as it is now and your body is just another money making opportunity.

104215 ▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #592 of 1520 🔗

Seriously, tell him.

He’s been going on about having to go to Wales to give blood unmasked.

104236 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ossettian, 1, #593 of 1520 🔗

Apart from putting a message on Twitter (which I don’t have, don’t do social media) the only way i can find to get his contacts is to subscribe to an agent’s site and then get it direct from his agent.

if he’s a true sceptic he might read this post.

104264 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #594 of 1520 🔗

Maybe get Toby to tell him? Or is it possible to tell Mike Graham from Talk Radio? Aren’t they still doing their weekly chats?

104284 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #595 of 1520 🔗

In a good many countries, you sell your blood, you don’t give it.
A travel book for the broke, called Europe on Ten Dollars a Day, used to advocate selling your blood as a way to raise cash in an emergency. It advised checking that a clean needle was being used.

104756 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #596 of 1520 🔗

That was at least 40 years ago. How many dollars a day is it now?

104327 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Awkward Git, #597 of 1520 🔗

Not if you are a man living with a man. Due to the “higher” risk of being HIV positive. Seriously???

104260 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ossettian, #598 of 1520 🔗

Can someone with Twitter tell him?

104325 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #599 of 1520 🔗

Thanks for looking at this. Had no idea. The amount of equipment they ferry around, the staff, the room hire they pay my company etc, I always wondered how much does it cost. My father in Germany donated blood for years, he had to travel to the University hospital.

104755 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #600 of 1520 🔗

He was taking the knee not too long ago. Money talks.

104157 Telpin, replying to Telpin, 45, #601 of 1520 🔗

Not well publicised in England but In wales no masks – a few ( v few) in streets. It’s actually not a small thing I’ve discovered. It makes a real difference to how people interact and to your general sense of well-being . I’ve done more browsing in shops ( spending money) in the last 2 days than in the last 16 weeks. Even accounting for the general friendliness of the Welsh(!!), people smile at you, every single shopkeeper I’ve purchased from has had a conversation with me. I feel human again. I’m sick of the mantra- ‘ just wear a mask, think of others’. It’s not true. Confronting a dystopian masked public every day robs everyone of the uplifting experience of being able to communicate properly and feel part of the human race.

104167 ▶▶ Drawde927, replying to Telpin, 9, #602 of 1520 🔗

We have just cancelled our holiday in Cornwall this year as, despite plenty of walks + beaches to occupy us, we decided the rest of the experience (including the long journeys there + back) would just be too depressing and dispiriting. Wish we’d booked a holiday in Wales instead!
We have rebooked for May next year, here’s hoping we will be able to enjoy it properly by then

104279 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Drawde927, 8, #603 of 1520 🔗

Come to Wales anyway.Cornwall without the pasties.
It has presumably escaped the attention of English and Scottish fascists that Wales’s Covid infection, hospitalisation, fatality (?) rates etc. have been entirely unaffected by the absence of gob nappies.

104346 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to annie, 1, #604 of 1520 🔗

Hang on, why would anyone want to go without pasties! Plus our hospital is emptyish if anything happens.

104447 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Telpin, 1, #605 of 1520 🔗

Make the most of it. I don’t think they’ll want Welsh people not dropping dead or having a similar case rate to England if they’re not wearing masks.

104189 Jane in France, replying to Jane in France, 7, #606 of 1520 🔗

I see the Swiss Policy Research site has a rather alarmist review of post-acute or “long” covid detailing post-viral symptoms https://swprs.org/post-acute-covid-long-covid/ Covid seems to cause just about everything including heart problems in previously healthy young people. The site is still against lockdown and points out the exaggerations in the case fatality rate and so on, and does mention that post-viral syndrome also occurs in cases of bad flu, but such emphasis on long-term effects is not going to reassure people. I still find it hard to believe that a virus alone can cause all those problems without taking into consideration the exact circumstances of each individual eg were they low fat, cholesterol bad type of healthy, did they have low vitamin D levels, had they been vaccinated against the flu?

104222 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Jane in France, 4, #607 of 1520 🔗

How much of it is psychosomatic? I don’t know you can eliminate it if the patient knows they had the dreaded C.O.V.I.D.

104248 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Jane in France, 5, #608 of 1520 🔗

Post Viral Fatigue is nothing new plus take into account lowered immune systems as you say from Vit D levels, santised bloody everything, other viruses and bacteria from dirty nappies etc:


104256 ▶▶ Drawde927, replying to Jane in France, 5, #609 of 1520 🔗

It feels like “long Covid” is being increasingly focused on now that the death rate is so low, providing the justification to still regard it as a “terrible disease” and counter the increasingly obvious fact that most healthy and relatively young people have a miniscule chance of dying.

The SWPRS article says about 10% of symptomatic cases get “long” symptoms. Is this true and how does this percentage compare to other moderately severe viral infections (like bad flu – which I had 10 years ago and had symptoms like fatigue for weeks after, though definitely not for months)

104393 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Drawde927, 2, #610 of 1520 🔗

Long covid and reinfections are all they have to go on. They cannot shout too loudly about these stories because the second wave storyline is to reappear when the leaves drop.

It seems to be the case that sceptics can follow the scientific babble closer than they would ideally like. Even their demand that it is inappropriate for scientists to question SARS CoV 2 science because it’s not their specialism has rightly not been heeded. I genuinely feel that their fear machine is weaker than they realised, the govs and scientists are intellectually weak. Only intimidations and a shifting of goal posts are left in their arsenal.

104353 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Jane in France, 2, #611 of 1520 🔗

Interestingly all the references are from BMJ.There seems to be not much reporting from other European countries about such problems. This could be reporting bias.Postviral symptoms are common also in flu but Project Fear is certainly going to hang on to this with declining deaths.Therefore it is so important that mass testing and finding asymptomatic cases stop asap.Otherwise a risk that people stamped asymptomatic start worrying about these symptoms and you can easily see super imposed hysteria. The longer this delaying of a total normalization and scrapping social distancing completely, the longer this malign circus will continue and as so much money invested by Big Pharma they are sure to see this comes into focus. Don’t deny these symptoms can occur but doubt the high figures.

104356 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to swedenborg, 1, #612 of 1520 🔗

Agree completely. Devi Sridhar was pushing this a little too much (while fiddling with her hair and waving her hands around uncontrollably) in the Unherd interview. That alone, sets off the alarm signals for me!

104379 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #613 of 1520 🔗

Always useful to watch body language of these people. Gut instinct and reaction is irreplaceable.

104436 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 4, #614 of 1520 🔗

I had my ‘portfolio’ of things to look out for in a previous life; CEOs with permanent suntans, striped shirts with white collars, braces, married to their former secretaries!

104358 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to swedenborg, #615 of 1520 🔗

Surprised at SPRS putting this on their site. MW

104363 ▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #616 of 1520 🔗

I think they want to be objective in a way to be more trustworthy but a bit surprised that they did not comment the very British dominance in reporting in the same journal.

104374 ▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #617 of 1520 🔗

But reading one of their references of lung damages in asymptomatic patients I was very surprised about the reference was to a NPR article(one of the fear monger MSM) and they discussed only one study well known in Nature , published long time ago from China which has very dubious value as there are no reports published elsewhere.Not much substance there as the definition of asymptomatic was unclear.

104443 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #618 of 1520 🔗

Already today correction of one important scary article JAMA about myocardial damage alluded to in the swiss site


Prof Balloux go into details about this and doubt even the corrected article


104381 ▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to swedenborg, #619 of 1520 🔗

What upset me was that this was reported in Swiss Policy Research, an alternative information site. I too noticed all the BMJ articles. I’ll try to find out more.

104575 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Jane in France, #620 of 1520 🔗

In order to assess the impact of long covid we need to see if the numbers of people with specific symptoms are higher than usual or are the numbers normal and just being attributed to people who have tested positive for covid.

104635 ▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Nobody2020, #621 of 1520 🔗

Don’t start getting all rational Nobody.

104191 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 17, #622 of 1520 🔗

Just had to turn off the evening news they were interviewing school children who all seemed to be meekly accepting the mask wearing edict, what happened to the young people of my youth protesting outside the USA embassy in Grosvenor Square against the Vietnam war?
This after travelling back by train from London to North Devon and being pretty much the only non masked traveller. I find it amazing that so many people just accept the propaganda from the Government and the media and do not trouble to check the facts as we do so often on this site.
People just meekly accept the face mask edict even though the Government’s web-site makes being exempt so easy and provides a print your own exemption card. A few people have said to me that face masks makes them feel funny and they wish they were exempt, they have been amazed when I said it is a self assessment process you just exempt yourself. The BMA have advised Doctors not to get involved.

I think some are just worried that they will get into trouble, but I do wear a print-out of the Governments exemption card, out of courtesy to the poor train staff and door staff who have been given the odious and thankless task of checking, they all seem so relieved to see my card and just wave me through. British Transport Police walked by, saw my card and just walked on without a word. I know that legally you do not have to wear an exemption card but it does save a lot of questions which I prefer.

104219 ▶▶ tonys, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #623 of 1520 🔗

The fact that children do not infect adults was not mentioned by the bbc in their news report, instead they allowed the ill informed opinions of children to stand unconditionally. They are irresponsible to a shocking degree and that is being kind, their lies by omission should land them in court.

104221 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #624 of 1520 🔗

The global population seems to have been conditioned/programmed to believe and trust the government – everywhere seems incredibly subdued given the authoritarian takeover (just look at Australia).

Black Lives Matter and Extinction Rebellion are fully supportive of harsh lockdown measures and seem to want them to go further to bring regime change. Unfortunately the young seem to listen to these organisations rather than thinking for themselves and what is in their own best interest. I really hoped the young would rebel, but nothing.

104357 ▶▶ davews, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #625 of 1520 🔗

Indeed. As I posted last week when the BTP chap came on the train the young man across the carriage got a big grilling for not being masked. Then he walked down the carriage, saw my HMG exemption lanyard and just smiled as he carried on.

104761 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #626 of 1520 🔗

The government depends on people like the train and door staff, shopkeepers, hairdressers, police, bus drivers, you name them, to do their dirty work. Imposing fines or penalties on those who do not comply. Creeps!

104193 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 26, #627 of 1520 🔗

Laughter really is the best medicine.

Yesterday I posted about the lady in the bus not only mask less but contentedly smoking near the rear with seemingly not a care in the world. A case of breaking two cardinal bus rules in one go—never been a smoker myself but that lady assumed celebrity status in my eyes.

I’m reminded of another humurous incident of a few weeks ago when my wife and I visited ‘Breezy knees’ garden near York. There was a small queue to get in (all socially distanced of course) and when it came to our turn to pay and the paying arrangements were in full view, I let out one almighty laugh much to my wife’s embarrassment. There in front of us was a home made, wooden chute like contraption that was placed on a rickety table. the chute was about two meters long. Inside the chute was a trolley type arrangement with a rope attached that the attendant held in her hand. She instructed us to put our money in the trolley and then proceed to pull the rope for all she was worth until said trolley came up to her and she could retrieve the monies. She then put in a ticket and with the aid of a long pole pushed the trolley back down to us so that we could take it out. She was doing this with all the garden visitors—no wonder she had a sweat on!

But I’m not finished. To add to the absurdity of the whole scene, when we took out our tickets we then walked in and around this assembly to the small cafe whereby we walked in and bought hot drinks and cakes with no restrictions whatever. And when we came out?–there she was pulling the trolley, pushing it back down again and I bet wishing for all she was worth that home time would come round soon. I honestly think this was the most ridiculous thing I have seen in this whole Covid business to date. It was so ridiculous it was genuinely surreal but since then I have seen and heard much else that is quite unbelievable.

Another chuckle came my way when I had a chat with the pedillo attendant on the river at Otley who was supposedly spraying the boats with sanitiser after every party had finished.
‘You might as well use water mate’ I said ‘for all the good it’ll do’—‘yeah, we’re thinking about it’ he replied.

104262 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Harry hopkins, 5, #628 of 1520 🔗

My husband reports something similar from this morning. Charity shop, two volunteer workers outside from ‘the vulnerable age group’, masks under chin, fags in mouth stood shoulder-to-shoulder. The only thing going for them to diminish the risk of the virus – they were of ‘normal’ BMI, something that of itself is unusual in my town!

104270 ▶▶ annie, replying to Harry hopkins, 13, #629 of 1520 🔗

Heard this from a chap who works on a fairground.
Boss: You’ve got to spray the machinery with this.
Employee: ok.
Boss: It’ll ruin the machinery, mind.
Pregnant silence.
Employee: Shall I just pretend to spray it, then?
Boss: Yeah.
Employee: ok.

104323 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Harry hopkins, 6, #630 of 1520 🔗

Playing cricket we are meant to use hand sanitiser every six overs (FFS). Most now fake the squirt but also with sound effects (two blasts through teeth) to appease the umpires who have to report back to the PTB.

104644 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #631 of 1520 🔗

Absolutely brilliant. I know Otley well having lived in North Leeds and Ilkley, and know that people there are generally very ‘rooted’.

104199 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 17, #632 of 1520 🔗

“I have been informed by our Doctor today that NHS hospitals will not accept people over 70 years old if they have been tested positive with COVID 19”

If the NHS was cleared the wards to make room for CV19 patients, that the most susceptible to CV19 were the over-60s, and the government had said it would protect the most vulnerable elderly, exactly who was supposed to be treated in hospital if the NHS refused to treat the over-70s? Just those between 60 and 70 years of age??

104211 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Lms23, 11, #633 of 1520 🔗

The hospitals cannot do this, it’s against the 2010 anti discrimination legislation. Age is a protected criterion. If that person falls and fractures their hip will they still refuse admission?

104217 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to p02099003, 12, #634 of 1520 🔗

They can, and they are.

History will show that the rule of law ceased in this country with the passage of the Coronavirus Act.

104234 ▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Richard O, 1, #635 of 1520 🔗

History is written by the winners.

104252 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ossettian, 2, #636 of 1520 🔗

If the period of governance by executive mandate can be spoken of as a past event, then we will be doing this writing.

104239 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Richard O, 3, #637 of 1520 🔗

Name the hospitals that are doing this.

104257 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to p02099003, 1, #638 of 1520 🔗

Fair point. Perhaps I should have said: “They can, and in the current climate who is to say that they won’t?”

104255 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to p02099003, 2, #639 of 1520 🔗

Probably the coronavirus act or public health one in some way supersedes that legislation?

104383 ▶▶ Norma McNormalface, replying to Lms23, 1, #640 of 1520 🔗

Does that mean, if you are over 70, have Covid 19 or even had it four months ago and then get hit by a car, the ambulance will leave you dying in the street? That can’t be true.
OR, if you’re over 70, are unwell and test positive for Covid at say a drive in test centre, and then symptoms worsen and you need medical help, they also leave you at home to die? Again, that can’t be right, either.
This seems like headline news, if what you’re saying is true. Sure the Daily Mail would be all over this one. They love this stuff.

104691 ▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Norma McNormalface, #641 of 1520 🔗

I think Awkward Git might feel another FOI request is needed.

104764 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Lms23, 1, #642 of 1520 🔗

Who’s running the NHS? Whoever they are they should be shown the front door. Masked and socially distanced of course. Reporters with cameras outside.

104209 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 20, #643 of 1520 🔗

Just caught some “news” on ITV on way to garden for some beer between rain showers.

News story goes on about shutting down businesses that “don’t follow their risk assessments”. Dropped the “not following guidance” mantra today.

Easy then – follow the health and safety legislation, write your risk assessment that proves no masks, social distancing etc needed, leave it available for customers to read along with the evidence, show this to anyone who complains and your defence is 100% legitimate as you are “following your risk assessment”.

Exactly as all us sensible ones have beens saying for months now.

Ye fucking gods is all I can say.

104218 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 20, #644 of 1520 🔗

The other day bullshit “report” on the Air Ambulance.

Today the same idiotic bollocks propaganda about mountain rescue teams and PPE and how they bravely struggle wearing masks and goggles all the time even though the masks steam up the goggles and they become tried a lot quicker.

I wanted to shout at the screen – well take the fucking things off then, you’re up a mountain plus the problems now mean you are exempt.

Ye fucking gods again.

105244 ▶▶▶ Sylvie, replying to Awkward Git, #645 of 1520 🔗
104955 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Awkward Git, #646 of 1520 🔗

Famously satirized in Dilbert: “We don’t care how bad your processes are… as long as they’re well documented and used consistently…”

104224 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #647 of 1520 🔗


Children’s Task and Finish Group report was endorsed by Sage on July 9, well before the Government’s U-turn

104240 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #648 of 1520 🔗

I read that earlier, and wondered whether it was the pretext for a claim that mask-wearing at all in school settings could be in breach of Equalities Act?

104247 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #649 of 1520 🔗

Could be! Is someone pursuing that? Wondered if Usforthem would get a bit more proactive…

104251 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #650 of 1520 🔗

Maybe they don’t know about the above link?

104266 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Carrie, 1, #651 of 1520 🔗

I’ll drop them a line. I have wondered whether they have been ‘got at’ because they have been so quiet for weeks.

104261 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #652 of 1520 🔗

Comments looking good.

104291 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #653 of 1520 🔗


Please sign no masks petition if you haven’t already.

I know I’m boring! For many years I worked with children with emotional difficulties and had the toughest lives. They struggled to relate to others at the best of times and saw no future for themselves. Cannot bear to think how much worse all this will make it for kids in the same boat now.

104227 p02099003, 2, #654 of 1520 🔗

Regarding the DNR.
Firstly: This doesn’t mean that a treatment or an ambulance being called is prevented, only if they have a cardiac arrest then there’s no intervention.
Secondly: the DN(ACP)R has to explain what the reason is for the order, for example comorbidities likely to mean CPR would be unsuccessful.
Thirdly: there should be a review date on the order or a reason why there isn’t. Fourthly, unless the order has been made known to the ambulance service and the local hospital trust then they will start CPR.

104228 Hopeful, replying to Hopeful, 3, #655 of 1520 🔗

The cases thing is predicated on testing for genetic material we’re all likely to have given most people have experienced a cold and or flu. Until this new virus is isolated and therefore scientifically identified as a new virus, the farce and the fraud will continue. Where are the people who can pressure the WHO and the independent scientific community, i.e. those scientists and researches not in BG’S and big pharma’ pockets, to do this work? The dancing around adapting and/or conforming to stupid rules and nonsensical guidance detracts from the real issue, namely, what precisely is covid19? Until then it is reasonable to say all the non-pharmacological interventions are pure bullshit.

104249 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Hopeful, 5, #656 of 1520 🔗

I’m really curious about this–it would appear likely that eventually *everybody* will test positive. However, my mum, who has a heart condition, has been ending up in A&E at roughly fortnightly intervals for the last few months. She gets tested for Covid every time, and has yet to test positive, which in the light of what we are reading, would seem almost miraculous! She is 79 and had a few colds last autumn/winter, so one would think she’d have some coronavirus-type antibodies somewhere..

104344 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Carrie, 2, #657 of 1520 🔗

The PCR test is not looking for antibodies but for genetic material from the SARS2 virus.

Will we all get it eventually? Not sure. Probably about half of people in the UK already have had it in some form. But it’s now at very low levels. I expect it to come back every few years so probably after a few decades anyone more than a few decades old will have had it.

104282 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Hopeful, 3, #658 of 1520 🔗

To me the big issue is the PCR testing for SARS-Cov2 virus, everyone seems to accept the ‘ TEST RESULTS’ as if they have been brought down the mountain by Moses carved on tablets of stone. These test result are being used to determine so much key public health policy that they need a full critical multi disciplinary review. There are many questions to answer;

  • Do they distinguish between active live infections and RNA fragments from ‘zapped’ infections?
  • Can other coronaviruses (flu etc) leave RNA fragments that show up in a SARS-Cov2 test.#
  • With mass testing and all the potentials for cross infection and poor administration, what is the statistical significance of the results?
  • What is the accuracy of these tests, false +ve’s -ve’s etc.
  • What is the precedent for delivering public health policy based on test results rather than actual disease/deaths?

I suggest a review team including Prof Carl Heneghan, Sir Paul Nurse, Mr Peter Hitchens, Nick Stripe (ONS), Tim Harford (BBC More or Less) and Prof Sunetra Gupta.

104320 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #659 of 1520 🔗

FOI request to DHSC was answered truthfully:

My question:

-supply the justification that a “positive” test means the person is suffering from the virus as is a danger to the public and must be isolated.

The answer:

SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time . It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19). Patients can have SARS-CoV-2 RNA before onset of illness, during the illness and after resolution of symptoms (all variable periods). The result has to be taken into context of symptoms present.

Lots more gems, all fully reported on here about a week ago.

104332 ▶▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #660 of 1520 🔗

And yet the government do the opposite and take the results completely out of context.

104384 ▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #661 of 1520 🔗

Hello sorry I missed your earlier post on this matter, so much going on – hard to keep up. But, to my mind, the reply you got from DHSC should have stopped the whole sorry circus in its tracks. How can you make all these dramatic costly public health decisions based on not knowing whether ‘these results’ are active or inactive cases, it beggars belief!

104348 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #662 of 1520 🔗

Yes, no, not much, about 70% sensitivity and 99.5% specificity, none that I know of.

104339 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Hopeful, #663 of 1520 🔗

It is a new virus, it has been isolated and sequenced, it does cause Covid-19 and although the PCR test does have a low rate of false positives, they’re not caused by other viruses.

104471 ▶▶▶ Hopeful, replying to guy153, #664 of 1520 🔗

It has not been isolated, purified and sequenced to the standard norm. Who to your knowledge has done this work, when and where?

104544 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Hopeful, #665 of 1520 🔗

This is my favourite example, because of the pictures. Also check out the album on Flickr.


Of course being a virus it can only be cultured together with cells as it has been in these pictures. These are Vero E6 cells (kidney epithelial cells from a monkey originally). This means that like all viruses it will never satisfy the Koch postulates (viruses weren’t discovered until a few years after the postulates were postulated).

It’s been sequenced almost 50,000 times by different groups https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2020.01800/full

104243 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 7, #666 of 1520 🔗

The Thick Of It – New Episode

Malcolm Tucker to Boris Johnson – “You are an omnishambles”

Malcolm to Boris, Hancock and co

“I’m gonna need all of my fucking energy to fucking rip all of your bodies to bits with my bare hands and sell-off your fucking flayed skin as a sleeping bag to a fucking normal person”

104245 ▶▶ Klein, replying to Hubes, 1, #667 of 1520 🔗

I’m picturing Malcolm Tucker going mental at Matt Hancock after watching one of his interviews

104288 ▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to Klein, 1, #668 of 1520 🔗

Haha yeah. Like when Ben Swain went on Newsnight. Matt Hancock has to face Tucker and Jamie.

104253 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 13, #669 of 1520 🔗

T shirt slogans, #2 in an occasional series:

“Coronavirus – You Don’t Get it”.

104280 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sam Vimes, 24, #670 of 1520 🔗

I would tell you a joke about Covid19 but 99.99% of people don’t get it.

104314 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Sarigan, 2, #671 of 1520 🔗

Very good!!

104283 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #672 of 1520 🔗

Like it!

104254 thedarkhorse, 12, #673 of 1520 🔗

Just had a good day out on the wetlands at Newport, Wales. Such joy…no masks anywhere, no-one driving with one (bar a taxi I saw), no flinching from passers-by on the pathways. Bought petrol from a card-only station outside Duffryn Asda. Looked at shops on the way out and back, no maskers anywhere that I could see. Pure pleasure for the eyes. If Wales keeps its head and doesn’t panic, it’ll be streets ahead of the rest of the country.

104258 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 23, #674 of 1520 🔗


If a #COVID test costs £40. That is £160m a day. £1.12 BILLION a week. What a total waste of our taxpayers money. Testing people who aren’t sick…… so they can be told they aren’t sick. Only those with symptoms should be tested. Lets stop this madness now.

A verified sceptic.

104317 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Sarigan, 2, #675 of 1520 🔗

Or testing people who aren’t sick so they can be told they are sick, must isolate so as not to kill granny 🙁

104324 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Sarigan, 3, #676 of 1520 🔗


104336 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Sarigan, 4, #677 of 1520 🔗

A neighbour had a bad asthma attack to which she is subject, she believes there’s a great deal else wrong with her and she has self isolated for several years. Called the ambulance service and was given a check up. The paramedic said she had a slight temperature and should have a test. The kit arrived yesterday and she’s now in a terrible state in case she’s got ‘it’.
Everybody under whatever pretext must get tested mustn’t they?

104431 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Sarigan, 1, #678 of 1520 🔗

They’re just after the false positives, gotta keep that pot boiling. The more you test, the more you get !

104259 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 15, #679 of 1520 🔗

My wife watches ITV News (I know, I know…). Boris on there tonight defending his mask policy for secondary schools. He says, “If you are in an area where there is a risk of infection… if you are in an area where there is a higher risk of infection, wear a mask.” The way he corrected himself, and smiled, made it quite evident he knows very well that generally there is no risk of infection. Watch it for yourselves later.

104274 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Bugle, 9, #680 of 1520 🔗

I have read some of the excerpts from his speech to the school kids (year 7, I think). Ridiculous speech to kids who had not been party to the exam fiasco. He clearly had not prepared a speech, mindful of the audience. Winging it as usual, but these days he is totally incoherent and certainly not funny. Suggest he is mentally ill!

104529 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #681 of 1520 🔗

He will be gone by Christmas.

104682 ▶▶▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to Will, #682 of 1520 🔗

He should be gone sooner

104267 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 11, #683 of 1520 🔗

My wife has been in an online queue since 8am trying to book a driving test for our daughter.

At 6.45pm, she’s now 129,000th in that queue.

Lockdowns are all upside don’t you know and worth every penny.

104281 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 7, #684 of 1520 🔗

Let Simon Dolan, Julia Hartley-Brewer and Peter Hitchens know about that! Julia will likely get someone onto her show to talk about it….

104289 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #685 of 1520 🔗

I was doing the same today and didn’t make it past 242,568th in the queue before it closed for the day.

104331 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Sarigan, 4, #686 of 1520 🔗

I assume there is a temporary exemption as there was for MOTs. Just drive around as if you’d passed your test until they get their shit wired.

104422 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to guy153, 1, #687 of 1520 🔗

A version of the ‘Barnard Castle Defence’!

104293 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #688 of 1520 🔗

It is closed for the day, just checked back in. 1st September to try again? See you in the queue!

104366 ▶▶▶ James007, replying to Sarigan, 2, #689 of 1520 🔗

Silly question, but why does an online booking system need to close for the day?

104392 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to James007, 5, #690 of 1520 🔗

Welcome to the Civil Service.

104310 ▶▶ NickR, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 5, #691 of 1520 🔗

I hate to tell you but my daughter got a spot. Started 7,000th in the queue, booked slot at 11. Apparently there are 100,000s trying to get slots & the number of tests per examiner has been reduced from 7 to 5 coz of the virus. I don’t see why that should make a difference, the examiner doesn’t clean the car.

104322 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to NickR, 11, #692 of 1520 🔗

I’m urprised it’s not yet been decreed each car is to be crushed after each test. Hancick and his money tree need to get a grip on this manufactured-isater.

104438 ▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Basics, 1, #693 of 1520 🔗

Car crushed! I love it Basics

104312 ▶▶ Basics, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 5, #694 of 1520 🔗

Well done Mrs AN other (if that’s not too familiar!) A fine days sticking at it. Moving up a queue 100,000 places is biblical queuing technique. Bravo!

104343 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 4, #695 of 1520 🔗

Are you sure you are not in the queue for a covid test???

104397 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 4, #696 of 1520 🔗

Update from she who must obeyed.

She started at 82,614th at 8am ish and got up to 81,200 after an hour. At 1pm, she was at 57,696th and at 5pm she was at 26,100th. She then thinks she got booted off / lost the connection or something like that. When she got reconnected, she was at the 129,000th place. She’s a total completer finisher so will not be defeated …

Maybe we should start a very long list of all the things that Kim Jong Boris and his apparatchiks have broken.

104526 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #697 of 1520 🔗

Hey, lockdowns are fantastic. The DJ’s on the radio keep telling me about how much better they’ve got at baking and how many bands have used the situation to make amazing music over zoom!

104720 ▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #698 of 1520 🔗

Wait til said bands get to play it… spectators forced into pens & cages in a field, lest they get within 10 feet of one another, or god forbid, want to actually smile or interact with another human…!

104303 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 3, #699 of 1520 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8666051/UK-announces-Covid-19-deaths-Wednesday.html . Cases have indeed crept up from 1184 yesterday to 1048 today. Good journalism.

104318 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to arfurmo, 18, #700 of 1520 🔗

Excellent comment on there:

Transmission of c0vid19 occurs mostly through news broadcasting….symptoms are excessive cleaning with harmful chemicals…..mask wearing…..and overwhelming urge to give up human rights…and in exchange for the perception of safety…..the virus enters the brain and restricts critical thinking and common sense is totally destroyed…..it also can cause aggression directed towards people who are not affected by the nonsense…..don’t worry though….this virus that has a 99.9% survival rate will soon be sorted out with a vaccine that has a 50% death rate…..stay safe out there

104359 ▶▶▶ Albie, replying to Sarigan, 2, #701 of 1520 🔗

“…it also can cause aggression directed towards people who are not affected by the nonsense….”

Haha, I like that. Very true!

104345 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to arfurmo, 2, #702 of 1520 🔗

Just like the “journalist” on the NDR website (German tv station) reporting on Wednesday that on Thursday the fire service had 30 call outs to deal with Tuesday’ storm damage.

104316 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 8, #703 of 1520 🔗

AIER with another great piece:

Lockdowns and Mask Mandates Do Not Lead to Reduced COVID Transmission Rates or Deaths, New Study Suggests


104319 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Sarigan, 6, #704 of 1520 🔗

This study provides strong statistical support for what so many have been observing for six months. The epidemic has a natural tendency to spread quickly at first and slow down, seemingly on its own.

Call me a cynic but is it the epidemic naturally slowing down or is data being adjusted to make it look like it is naturally slowing down?

104326 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to stefarm, 1, #705 of 1520 🔗

Death data is harder to manipulate, and is very similar in most European countries in terms of the shape – a spike in April and then gradually getting back to recent average, or below

104329 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Julian, 1, #706 of 1520 🔗

Noted and you can call me a cynic 😏

104335 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, #707 of 1520 🔗
104425 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Sarigan, 2, #708 of 1520 🔗

He’s in on it, all the Goons in the Cabinet pulling the strings are all in. Take your shot or suffer the consiquences. It’s for your own good after all 😉

104483 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to NonCompliant, 1, #709 of 1520 🔗

I agree with that. Suspect there are several side deals related to vaccine programmes and new drug licences. Would love to hear from Sir Alistair Graham.

104494 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #710 of 1520 🔗

I’m not a fan of Jolyon Maugham, but at least he is challenging the awarding of PPE contracts to mates of the government and not putting them out to tender. Maybe he can do the same as regards vaccine deals?

104536 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Carrie, #711 of 1520 🔗

Agree. There is so much money sloshing around with no accountability. Crony capitalism at its finest.

104340 Muzz Off, replying to Muzz Off, 27, #712 of 1520 🔗

London transport update – have now been commuting without a mask for several weeks, and have varied my route to include different lines and different stations (including main hubs). I don’t wear a lanyard or carry any sort of card, or look remotely like I might be exempt, yet I haven’t been challenged once. This includes having walked past many staff members and several BTP officers as well.

Sadly masklessness doesn’t seem to be on the rise, would say it’s probably still 95% masked, but in any case if you join the gang you are highly unlikely to be confronted from my experience, so take the bleedin’ things off!

104354 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Muzz Off, 5, #713 of 1520 🔗

Fantastic stuff. Maybe they can’t see you because you are not wearing one?

104468 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Richard O, #714 of 1520 🔗

Oh they can see you 😂

104360 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Muzz Off, 6, #715 of 1520 🔗

I’m the same as you but I wear a lanyard especially after that run in with that unpleasant Karen.

That said that I am noticing a slow increase in the number of unmuzzled passengers in my local station.

104364 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Muzz Off, 2, #716 of 1520 🔗

Great work.

104376 ▶▶ Proudtobeapeasant, replying to Muzz Off, 5, #717 of 1520 🔗

I would agree that masklessness is certainly not on the rise. I haven’t worn one when shopping since we were told to. I have been very politely asked if I have one twice, and each time have just said I’m exempt ( because of course, to wear one would cause me “severe distress”….). The chap at Waitrose today who asked me if I had a mask on my way in apologised, when I came out, for asking me. I felt sorry for him as he’s obviously been instructed to ask. I have seen less than a handful of people not wearing them in the past month. One of that handful was yesterday, in Sainsburys, and I think she was a paramedic as she had on a green polo shirt with NHS on it! But on the whole people are still complying. It’s unbelievable.

Also yesterday, in W H Smith, I heard a mother absolutely insisting that her son use the hand sanitizer. Poor kid I thought. I should have watched to check that he used it properly….

104351 tallandbald, replying to tallandbald, 10, #719 of 1520 🔗

Just ridden past our shiny new town testing station at roughly “rush hour” (if we even have one any more) and three high viz jacketed numpties kicking stones around the car park. No one there!

104409 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to tallandbald, #720 of 1520 🔗

Good thing to

104416 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to tallandbald, #721 of 1520 🔗

No need to worry, they’ll soon be forcing school kids and teachers to make up the numbers.

104513 ▶▶ Will, replying to tallandbald, 3, #722 of 1520 🔗

Good to hear!!! Get tested, Get locked down.

104599 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to tallandbald, #723 of 1520 🔗

If that’s typical of testing centres then where are all of these alleged ‘cases’ coming from?

104355 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 16, #724 of 1520 🔗

All the public figures advocating lockdown seem to be on full pay. The BBC journalists, the politicians, the health professionals, all cruising along unaffected.

Are there any examples of someone not on full pay advocating not going to work?

I am reminded of the rather extraordinary fact that, during the Blitz and the Battle of the Atlantic, you could still eat at the Ritz if you could pay.

104572 ▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to WhyNow, #725 of 1520 🔗

And you still had your job there if you couldn’t

104362 Yawnyaman, replying to Yawnyaman, #726 of 1520 🔗

Any response to the recent Korean study which suggests asymptomatics shed the virus – and thus need to be isolated – as much as those with symptoms? No huge publicity, except an article in Daily Mail on August 6th, but my OH has picked up on it.

104667 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Yawnyaman, 1, #727 of 1520 🔗

It was in Korea that the idea of reinfections first reared its ugly head. That got debunked too.

104377 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 9, #728 of 1520 🔗

396 reported covid deaths in Europe out of a population of over 741 million people.

I bet more more people died falling down the stairs.

Let’s ban stairs.

104450 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #729 of 1520 🔗

More people are likely to die from dodgy DIY jobs at home so let’s ban DIY!!!

104950 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #730 of 1520 🔗
104378 IMoz, replying to IMoz, 1, #731 of 1520 🔗

Another group of “The Science” followers push more non-science onto you with no evidence to back any claim: https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3223 and advertise their crap on twitter: https://twitter.com/trishgreenhalgh/status/1298515337537900544

104476 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to IMoz, 6, #732 of 1520 🔗

Christ, the start of the push for mandating them outside, without a doubt. Claiming there’s now medium and high risk things outside, even tho the fucking pandemic is over and practically no one has the fucking virus. Gahhhh it really makes you want to find these cunts and give em a taste of their own medicine, ruin our lives and we should be able to ruin theirs.

104538 ▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Mark II, 1, #733 of 1520 🔗

Personally, I can’t wait for schools and unis to go back, and people to start getting freshers’ ‘flu—what better way to prove that the whole mask thing is nonsense!

104665 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mark II, 1, #734 of 1520 🔗

Just more insane stupidity to ignore.

104380 Alison9, replying to Alison9, 5, #735 of 1520 🔗

My daughter will be entering the sixth form as a day girl at a boarding school next week. She has been in the school for a while. Face masks are being made compulsory in “corridors and public areas”. I intend to write to the head – a very sensible woman – with my objections to this. I’m asking my LS colleagues for their input here … any suggestions? How would you tackle this?

Thank you in advance.

104395 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Alison9, 6, #736 of 1520 🔗

Who does the headteacher think she’s protecting? Staff or teachers? No evidence it does either. Chance of a child getting ill is vanishingly small from virus. Chance of being harmed by wearing masks & learning that everyone represents a mortal threat to them will cause huge problems.

104415 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Alison9, 4, #737 of 1520 🔗

It doesn’t make any sense in a boarding school – if kids are living together in dorms, and with house parents, everyone is in the same bubble anyway, so no logic to this. I wonder whether the private and boarding schools are all going down this route because that is what their insurers have told them to do? I notice that the headmaster at my sons’ former school was plastered over the local rag promoting this, avec mask. Are you in a parents’ WhatsApp group in your daughter’s school year – are other parents raising concerns – strength in numbers and all?

104434 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to Alison9, 4, #738 of 1520 🔗

I would tell her how teenagers use their masks: the same mask is used for months without washing, kept in a pocket or a rucksack. I am telling this from experience – that’s how my teens use their masks. I keep telling them that they should stop or at least wash them but they don’t listen.
If my daughter’s grammar school introduce masks I will ask for risk assessment of wearing masks.

104457 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Alison9, 4, #739 of 1520 🔗

Ask how many infections she believes the her mask wearing policy in school will curtail. Insist she puts a figure on it. If she does ask how that has been calculated. You can not expect your daughter to comply with a request that isn’t rational.

104488 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Alison9, 2, #740 of 1520 🔗

read earlier comments – someone has put down the text of a mail that they have sent to headmaster of their offsprings independent school asking about risk assessments etc. do a control f and search for assessment

104651 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to mjr, #741 of 1520 🔗

Other person was Chris Hume. Search (ctrl-f) should find it.

104491 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Alison9, 3, #742 of 1520 🔗

See the very helpful sample letter lower down on this thread! Ask for a copy of the risk assessment that has been done, amongst other things!

104607 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Alison9, 3, #743 of 1520 🔗

Ask for a copy if their Risk Assessment in using masks.
Ask if they have public liability insurance for any illness caused by mask wearing.
Ask what provision is being made for children who may be hard of hearing, autistic, asthmatic, claustrophobic or with generalised anxiety disorder or severe distress on wearing masks.
Ask if they can point out to you which bits of government diktat are legally required and which are just guidance.
Plus as Tyneside Tigress has pointed out, it doesn’t make sense in a boarding school.

104762 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Alison9, 2, #744 of 1520 🔗

This virus gets cleverer all the time.it can tell if you are eating food in or taking away.It can tell if you are sitting in a classroom or walking past someone in a corridor.It can tell if your shopping or drinking in a pub.
How do supposedly intelligent people fall for this crap?

105005 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Alison9, #745 of 1520 🔗

Stewart posted this further down:

“There is a way to resist this. If a school mandates masks, any parent can write to the Head and ask him or her to confirm that wearing a mask carries no health risk to their child.
Unless the Head is a kamikaze he (or she) will not give any such reassurance. And on the basis of that I would feel perfectly comfortable sending my child to school with no mask and a note from home saying that the Head can’t guarantee it won’t be harmful to my child.”

104386 NickR, replying to NickR, 13, #746 of 1520 🔗

France about to make masks compulsory in offices. Sturgeon will follow. Boris will follow her.
What fresh hell is this?

104394 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to NickR, 3, #747 of 1520 🔗

Its only a matter of time before they make them compulsory everywhere outside your home. What fresh hell indeed. I’m half joking, but, anything is possible in clown world.

104405 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Laura Suckling, 3, #748 of 1520 🔗

And inside your home

104414 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to 6097 Smith W, #749 of 1520 🔗

Haven’t they advised that somewhere in the USA?

104444 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Laura Suckling, 5, #750 of 1520 🔗

Broward County in Florida mandated it and it was recommended state wide by the Texas Division of Emergency Management. Breathtaking stupidity.

104726 ▶▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to 6097 Smith W, 1, #751 of 1520 🔗

Apparently in Austria, Police would get involved if they saw people kissing who didn’t live together – even if they were inside your own home!

104406 ▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Laura Suckling, 7, #752 of 1520 🔗

It’s not Clownworld, it’s not idiots out of control in charge, it’s GatesWorld and none of us are part of it unless we take the shot.

104396 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to NickR, 14, #753 of 1520 🔗

I would hazard a guess that most companies have already mandated masks for office staff. Mine did way back in June. I will continue to work from home until such time as the either the policy or my employment is terminated.

104399 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Richard O, 1, #754 of 1520 🔗

Good for you.

104404 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Laura Suckling, 4, #755 of 1520 🔗

It’ll only be a matter of time before regular tests and ultimately the vaccine are mandated by employers. I thought it prudent to draw my line in the sand early.

104412 ▶▶▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Richard O, 8, #756 of 1520 🔗

Been on my mind for a few months now. We’re all getting the boiling frog treatment, creeping tyranny, one drip at a time.
If there was any country to flee to i’d have been off weeks ago but at the moment it’s looking like a Global complete takeover.

104429 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to NonCompliant, 2, #757 of 1520 🔗

I have resigned myself to the cold reality that it’s pretty much the same or worse almost everywhere. At least in the UK I am on familiar home turf. I can’t imagine having to deal with all this shit as an immigrant somewhere else.

104647 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to NonCompliant, 1, #758 of 1520 🔗

That’s been going on for a long time. Especially from employers. There are the usual suspects sticking their oar in, but they haven’t taken over yet. They think they’ve won, but the fight is just beginning.

104419 ▶▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Richard O, 5, #759 of 1520 🔗

The vaccine mandate would tip me over into handing in my notice.

104649 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #760 of 1520 🔗

Not convinced they’ll ever get that. Against international law.

104688 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #761 of 1520 🔗

If the globalists want something bad enough they will simply change international law. There is a very strong lobby for mandatory vaccinations for adults. I believe if you don’t get them in some countries your life is heavily restricted – I understand Argentina had to agree to this for a bail out loan from the global financiers. https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/esto-es-lo-que-necesitas-saber-sobre-la-nueva-ley/

104766 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Darryl, #762 of 1520 🔗

The World Bank and the International Monetary Fund are blackmailers. Pure and simple. Mafia.

104769 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Darryl, #763 of 1520 🔗

The World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, the W.H.O., the United Nations, ad almost infinitum are the ones that need to be reset. They need overseeing to the nth degree.

104751 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nick Rose, #764 of 1520 🔗

It will not be mandatory,at least not at the start; but you won’t be able to do certain things like using aeroplanes,trains buses basically follow the mask mandate

104424 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Richard O, #765 of 1520 🔗

Good on you.

104426 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Richard O, 3, #766 of 1520 🔗

I am self employed. If my boss made me do it, I would be extremely concerned.

If I was employed, I would certainly be considering my future at said company.

104652 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sarigan, 2, #767 of 1520 🔗

I’d just instigate legal proceedings under international law. That will hold things up for decades.

104430 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Richard O, 5, #768 of 1520 🔗

I have a friend who works for Chelsea football club. All the staff at work have a weekly test.  When they did the testing this
week 9 out of 25 people tested positive. They had all been away to either France, Greece or Sardinia. None of them together. “It is very scary to think that we only know they are
positive because of the test, they have no symptoms. So all the other people who have travelled are walking around in the shops with us, not knowing they have it.” So there you go.

104452 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Jane in France, 9, #769 of 1520 🔗

What I mean is, my friend’s attitude (I was quoting her) is that there are all these people walking around in our midst who don’t even know they’re ill! I don’t dare to suggest that it might be because they’re actually not ill. But if they test everybody once a week they are bound to find some old bits of virus and the panic will never end.

104458 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jane in France, #770 of 1520 🔗

A great example that this is already happening. Those nasal tests worry me greatly as well. How can it be necessary to insert a swab that deep into your head to collect a viable viral sample?

Has your friend reported any side effects after being tested e.g. headaches?

104464 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Richard O, 1, #771 of 1520 🔗

Is the ‘test’ actually a stealth lobotomy? Might explain quite a lot.

104485 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, 4, #772 of 1520 🔗

Yes – the virus so dangerous that you might breathe it on someone, so need to wear a mask but in order to find and ‘trap’ it it they have to probe deep into your nose..

104489 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Carrie, #773 of 1520 🔗

Good point Carrie.

104653 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Richard O, #774 of 1520 🔗

If I was forced into being tested, I would have side effects and immediately instigate legal proceedings against the testing company and whoever mandated the test.

Ditto if they do manage to force a vaccination through.

104554 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jane in France, 2, #775 of 1520 🔗

Exactly…that suggests to me I am right in thinking we have by now all been exposed to the virus. You go abroad and you get exposed to slightly different mutations and that can register on a test. But because you have cross immunity you are symptomless.

104558 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard, replying to Richard O, #776 of 1520 🔗

I think that’s highly sensible – this rubbish blew up my start up – have re-entered corporate world but strictly on that basis working from home – no contractual obligation to go to office at all.

104565 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Richard, 2, #777 of 1520 🔗

I can assure you it was not easy, but I am in a much stronger position for having made my stand early and unequivocally. HR delighted in informing me that I was the only employee in the whole company who refused to sign the new policy. They failed to understand that this did not intimidate me in the slightest, rather it emboldened me that I am doing the right thing.

104641 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Richard O, 1, #778 of 1520 🔗

That’s it. Also illegal for them to force a medical intervention upon you. And I’m certain they aren’t medically qualified either?

104490 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Richard O, #779 of 1520 🔗

Mine hasn’t but the office is pretty much empty still

104555 ▶▶▶ Richard, replying to Richard O, #780 of 1520 🔗

From what I can see there is significant pressure from above being exerted on City businesses to get staff back – has only really been in last couple of weeks but have seen separate messages around “duty to City etc” being thrown around. Whether anyone will turn up more than once to sit wearing a mask all day is highly debatable.

104586 ▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Richard, 4, #781 of 1520 🔗

Exactly – if they dictate that need masks sitting at a desk and meetings they may as well just shut the offices up as no-one will go in (i wouldn’t).
But i have a horrible feeling about this and the sodding government who are so illogical in their policies that i reckon they’ll say to wear masks outdoors and in offices etc. It will be at this point i hibernate in my house until over and possibly have a mental breakdown at the absurdity…i pray it won’t come to this.

104603 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Richard, 2, #782 of 1520 🔗

The pressure of commercial rents are taking their toll. Corporate management has to accept the reality that if they insist on following government guidelines to the letter then office buildings in places like the City of London are completely unfeasible.

Either return to the old normal, or accept that the way we do business has changed forever and adjust your operating model accordingly.

104643 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard, replying to Richard O, 1, #783 of 1520 🔗

Agreed – I know of one major tenant in one of the landmark buildings there worked out the queue for the lifts in the morning would be 1.6km long ! There is definitely an issue around some potential loss of social capital but there will be ways round this – the fact is the vast majority of decision makers and the immediate tiers beneath them have found this new way of working is fine and don’t want to go back to the old ways. I am luckily one of them – this shift has allowed me to restructure the way my family lives in really positive and healthy way. It’s a highly competitive environment for good people so actually the compulsion piece won’t last ten minutes.

104730 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Richard, #784 of 1520 🔗

Social capital was the myth that sustained the corporate office model well beyond its sell by date. As if the fact you were a colleague with a complete stranger meant anything. Superficial, meaningless nonsense. The internet can now comfortably support permanent home working. The willingness of the British office worker to ditch this at the earliest opportunity is a sign of the strength of our culture. Not to mention the daily bullshit commute on feeble, failing rail services that has now thankfully been terminated.

104758 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Richard O, #785 of 1520 🔗

I can’t see how the landed intrests haven’t fought back against this nonsense.The sums involved are huge and the longer this goes on the more chance it never goes back to normal.
This seems like the triumph of the internet over the old way of life

104403 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to NickR, #786 of 1520 🔗

If you think that’s bad have a listen to this as it’s what’s up after that !


104437 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to NonCompliant, #787 of 1520 🔗

Jesus! and with 549 deaths from covid in the whole of Australia. I would call that a rather bizarre overreaction. It made me shudder.

104497 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Laura Suckling, 3, #788 of 1520 🔗

Australia is the saddest example of woke, bedwettery on the planet.

104527 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to Will, 2, #789 of 1520 🔗

And fascism.

104770 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to NonCompliant, 1, #790 of 1520 🔗

Time for drone hunting.

104428 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to NickR, 10, #791 of 1520 🔗

Masks aren’t compulsory anywhere really though. I haven’t worn one anywhere still and never will. So they can carry on bringing in the places where you are supposed to wear them and sensible people will just not bother. I’ve given up caring if anybody else is wearing one or not now.

I very much doubt any company will sack people for not having a vaccine. I haven’t read my contract for a while but nowhere in there did it say I have to have a forced vaccination in order to continue in employment.

104478 ▶▶▶ Klein, replying to Hubes, 5, #792 of 1520 🔗

Yeah I’m getting more the same…I just don’t fucking wear one. Mandate it all you want.

104506 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to NickR, #793 of 1520 🔗

Neither will comply with their own rules.

104608 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to NickR, 4, #794 of 1520 🔗

Its fairly obvious from Peru vs Sweden or Belarus.
If they can force people into masks the viral loading will increase and the useful crisis will continue.
OTOH if they allow things to go back to normal, we will have herd immunity soon and the virus will disappear, useful crisis is no longer there.
Its for the same reason as they tried to stop people getting exposure to Vit D outside in early summer and have stopped HCQ being used, they didn’t want natural immunity to occur and preferred a higher death rate to give a useful crisis.

104398 NonCompliant, replying to NonCompliant, 9, #795 of 1520 🔗

I don’t think it’s in any doubt any more, Boris is in on whatever is going on, he’s not being duped or being out manouvered by Wee Jimmy Krankie. He’s a 5th Columnist and he’s fully onboard with whatever future our ‘betters’ have in store for us.

Exhibit A : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Build_Back_Better

All the usual suspects are trotting out this phrase, all the Globalist shills. Now have a listen to good old Boris

Exhibit B: http://fcassets.curry.com.s3.wasabisys.com/enc/1598212083.829_borisjohnson-buildbackbetter.mp3

So when it was reported that Boris was in Hospital, was he really in Hospital or was he actually in a dark room being made an offer he couldn’t refuse ? Or maybe he was always their Brexit insurance policy to make sure “their man” would be at the helm when the time came?

None of this has ever made much sense after the first few weeks. I guess we’ll figure out soon enough how bad our “new future” is intended to be. For a glimpse into what that future is probably going to be like you should have to this:


104475 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to NonCompliant, 3, #796 of 1520 🔗

Always loathed him. Brexit was the fig leaf that he used to become PM. He couldn’t give a shit either way. If it was politically expedient he would not think twice about ditching the whole thing in the blink of an eye and keeping the UK in the EU.

I remember someone submitting an FOIA request regarding his hospital treatment back in April, but I think it was rejected due to standard medical confidentiality. This needs to be investigated in detail. Can anyone find the nurses that he personally named in that obscene and horribly scripted post-treatment video?

He has definitely deteriorated since he reemerged. All his public appearances are even more carefully stage managed than they were before. His elocution is non-existent e.g. “Hands Face Space”.

104479 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, 2, #797 of 1520 🔗

Re the nurses, all I remember was that one was male and from Portugal and the other female and from New Zealand I think? I think I read that the girl has since returned to New Zealand – was she a ‘plant’?

104484 ▶▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Carrie, 1, #798 of 1520 🔗

Repatriated to NZ in a box ?

104505 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to NonCompliant, #799 of 1520 🔗

Nope of course not.

104772 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to OKUK, #800 of 1520 🔗

Was she quarantined?

104500 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Carrie, 1, #801 of 1520 🔗

No of course she wasn’t. She was a nurse well known to friends and family here and in NZ. Let’s not go bat shit crazy here like Ferguson did.

104493 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to NonCompliant, 3, #802 of 1520 🔗

The world is quite weird enough without proposing another layer of conspiracy which would mean there was a New Zealand actress, well a nurse actually, who was hired to lie that she helped treat the PM for Covid infection. This would mean all the TV companies and newspaper were part of the elaborate deception as well. Not credible.

104498 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to OKUK, 1, #803 of 1520 🔗

Nonetheless, I would like their testimony to be included in the tribunal proceedings when the time comes.

104514 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richard O, 3, #804 of 1520 🔗

Anyone could see Bozo was very sick in the days leading up to his hospitalisation. Why the conspiracy nonsense? That’s not to say there haven’t been conspiracies but any idea Johnson wasn’t hospitalised is absurd. It would require a Mafia style omerta conspiracy involving several thousand people. And to what effing purpose FFS?

104523 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to OKUK, 4, #805 of 1520 🔗

Excellent point, the number of people required to falsify this, and then cover it up, it too great to be credible.

It is so easy to run away with oneself down these lines of thinking. In this case I’ll gladly accept the sobering slap around the face. The healthy mixture of characters on this comments section is vitally important for this reason.

104546 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richard O, 2, #806 of 1520 🔗

Yes we need to keep each other in check – I’m sure I had a good slap around the chops here a while back. 🙂

104601 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to OKUK, 1, #807 of 1520 🔗

Johnson had the virus, low Vit D levels and probably repeat viral exposure due to all the people he meets.
As we don’t have a 1st world health service that gives HCQ on first suspicion to keep people out of hospital, he ended up in IC as we have an NHS instead.
The yanks sent over some experimental drugs on the QT and that combined with Oxygen got him over the hump.

104773 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nessimmersion, #808 of 1520 🔗

Oxygen, not a ventilator.

104615 ▶▶▶▶▶ peter, replying to OKUK, #809 of 1520 🔗

The fact you are shilling so hard in defence of Boris proves his covid ordeal was a hoax, just like the rest of this shit show.

104402 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 14, #811 of 1520 🔗

The lockdown in Peru started on 16 March. It has the 3rd highest death rate in the world, after San Marino and Belgium.

No lockdown Brazil isn’t even in the top ten.

104975 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #812 of 1520 🔗

Belgium has also had a strict lockdown (San Marino can be dismissed due to its low population base).

104408 swedenborg, 3, #813 of 1520 🔗


There is competition between CDC and Ethical Skeptic. The latter has produced his estimate of excess deaths and the accelerating burden of lockdown deaths. CDC has yet to produce excess deaths data and whether normal deaths have been reached in August or not.

104410 Laura Suckling, 15, #814 of 1520 🔗

Rather depressing lunch in a pub today.

Stopped at entrance and asked if we had booked (we hadn’t). Then young man checked to see if “he could squeeze us in”, in a not very busy pub. Asked for name and phone number, my friend supplied his (knowing I would not). Shown to table and soon spotted a guy heading for loo with mask on (sigh).

It was not an experience I want to repeat in a hurry.

104413 TJN, replying to TJN, 36, #815 of 1520 🔗

Early this morning I emailed my MP, Geoffrey Cox, concerning muzzles in schools. I wasn’t going to bother putting it on here, then I figured that he probably won’t read it anyway, so someone may as well see it.

Dear Mr Cox,

A little over two months ago you wrote to me: ‘I hope you will agree that there would rightly have been criticism of the Government if it ignored the guidance of … [The Science] … and took decisions based on political expediency.’

Well we are asked to believe that yesterday ‘The Science’ on muzzles in schools changed dramatically in the space of a few hours. Johnson duly caved in once more to media pressure.

Three points:
1. Johnson takes decisions based on nothing but ‘political expediency’.
2. Johnson is a liar.
3. Requiring children to wear muzzles is child abuse.

One question:
1. When are MPs like yourself going to mount the backbone actually to do something about the coronavirus insanity, and hold this vile, charlatan government to account?

You, more than most, owe nothing to Johnson. He ditched you from the Cabinet. You don’t owe him your living, or your (safe, until now) seat. You do owe your constituents, and decent people everywhere. Unlike a great many MPs, you are clearly not stupid.

You are a senior backbench MP. That comes with responsibilities and duties.

Yours till next time,
A former Conservative voter.

104453 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to TJN, 7, #816 of 1520 🔗

These politicians MUST get how angry people are ? So either they are frightened themselves or just don’t care ? It’s one of the two.

104501 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to KBuchanan, 4, #817 of 1520 🔗

They don’t care because the angry are still the minority. Everyone else scared stupid or apathetic

104518 ▶▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #818 of 1520 🔗

The only thing is, it is the core Conservative supporters that are deserting in their droves. That must surely filter through to the thickest of MP’s brain sooner, rather than later.

104521 ▶▶▶▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 1, #819 of 1520 🔗

They still outnumber Labour voters

104600 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #820 of 1520 🔗

Though we are a growing minority :o))

104463 ▶▶ Klein, replying to TJN, 5, #821 of 1520 🔗

Thats a great e-mail…that would sting someone with a conscience and a bit of dignity.

104481 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Klein, 5, #822 of 1520 🔗

No point looking in Parliament, thrn.

104480 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to TJN, 3, #823 of 1520 🔗

That’s laugh out loud funny and deadly serious at one and the same time.

104837 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to OKUK, 1, #824 of 1520 🔗

Thanks for the replies above.

He gets emails in a similar vein from me every few days, while Mrs TJN also writes regularly, although her emails are more direct and pointedly challenging.

I imagine that by now we are considered vexatious correspondents, so the admin assistant just logs them as another moan from the TJN household.

Thing is, Cox is clearly a very intelligent man. I can’t believe he’s taking the CV hysteria at face value. But he’s playing his cards very close – as if he wants to avoid at all costs publicly breaking ranks with the government line. As far as I can see during this, he’s done the absolute minimum he feels required to in backing the official response, and never with enthusiasm.

He may well be working away in he background, or may well not be. I just don’t know.

104417 Edward, replying to Edward, 10, #825 of 1520 🔗

On a church notice board: a picture of the Houses of Parliament with caption “Pray for those in authority over us”.
Readers may wish to suggest alternative words to replace “Pray for”.

104423 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Edward, 5, #826 of 1520 🔗

I’d add – “…so that they may see the error of their ways.”

104442 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Edward, 8, #827 of 1520 🔗

Imprison, hang, guillotine ……..

104474 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Edward, 6, #828 of 1520 🔗

, as they prey upon us.”

104585 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Edward, 1, #829 of 1520 🔗

“Come friendly bombs…”

104774 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Edward, 1, #830 of 1520 🔗

It’s the word authority that bothers me the most.

104972 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Edward, #831 of 1520 🔗

“Father, forgive them, for they know not what they are doing” would be more appropriate.

104418 Alci, replying to Alci, 4, #832 of 1520 🔗

Grim experience in Wadebridge (Cornwall) today; my new prize for bedwetter central. Usually one of my favourite little towns which I visit several times a year: no longer.

Aggressive signs outside every shop; refused entry without a mask multiple times. Many requested you to wait outside to be admitted, despite being empty. Couldn’t hire a bike trailer for our toddler as it was afternoon and they wouldn’t have time to sanitise and quarantine (??). Bike hire only was fine, though.

Anyone from Cornwall know of (or run!) sceptic-friendly tourism businesses?

104934 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Alci, #833 of 1520 🔗

It does seem ti be very bedwetter down here in the far south west. (I’m in Deepest Devon.) A poster named Bluemoon is I think from around that bit of Cornwall, or thereabouts. He may have more info.

104435 smileymiley, replying to smileymiley, 14, #834 of 1520 🔗

Mrs smileymiley took me out for a celebratory birthday meal tonight. Birthday was yesterday but she couldn’t book anywhere. Went to a good local Indian restaurant.
Walked up to the door which was opened by staff member muzzled. Mrs smileymiley told them we had booked. They asked us for our address & Mrs smileymiley said we don’t have to give you that. Well done! Shown to our table, keep your distance markers on the floor & signs. A row of chairs in front of the bar supposedly a 1 way system.
All the staff in various muzzlement, some with them under their nose, some under the chin & the manager who was behind the bar not wearing one. He was continually bringing out the drinks to customers. Anyway, waiter came to take our order. He asked for our address again, we are not going to I told him. You have to says he… the law states I don’t have to comply I say. But we get mystery customers checking up on us….
So, I say.
Everyone has the right not to give their information. They couldn’t do anything about it.
We had a lovely meal, the tables were no further apart than usual, every table utilised even though Mrs. smileymiley was told she had to be their for 6 o’clock 1st sitting.
By the time we were having our main course the waiters had all got their masks under the nose, below the chin or off altogether! A total farce!!
No antisocial distancing by customers, only one had a mask on when he went to the loo… ! Why?
But we got 20 quid off!
First time eating out since this madness started, won’t be going out again till it stops.

104459 ▶▶ matt, replying to smileymiley, 8, #835 of 1520 🔗

Just been to a lovely local-ish pub for the first time. A woman (mid-sixties) walked in wearing a mask that matched her dress. Went through to the beer garden and proceeded to smoke heavily sans mask (I report as a smoker)

104469 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to matt, 4, #836 of 1520 🔗

‘a mask that matched her dress’ – she’s clearly in it for the long haul! Whereabouts in the country was this, by the way? I know someone who sews, and makes her own clothes, and this sounds exactly like something she would do…

104515 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to matt, 3, #837 of 1520 🔗

That is only one step away from ‘his ‘n’ hers’ matching sets!

104970 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #838 of 1520 🔗

I’ve seen them, unfortunately.

104510 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to smileymiley, 3, #839 of 1520 🔗

That pretty much mirrors the experience we had at our local Indian a couple of weeks ago, although they didn’t even bother asking for our details. At the moment, it is the only place I would consider going out to.

104582 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to smileymiley, 1, #840 of 1520 🔗

Happy Birthday Smiley. 21 again?

104439 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 2, #841 of 1520 🔗

Good thing that PM Johnson isn’t a traffic warden.

104445 ▶▶ Julian, replying to richard riewer, 4, #842 of 1520 🔗

He doesn’t have the intellect

104455 Steve, replying to Steve, 37, #843 of 1520 🔗

A sad day for me. Earlier today I basically resigned as a Scout Leader after seeing the ridiculous rules that we will have to follow if we wish to continue with Scouting.

From the 3rd September:

Indoor Activities will be allowed

Numbers will change to allow 15 young people and up to 5 adults to engage in face to face activities (carers will not be counted in these numbers)

Young people must stay in their batch/bubble/group but adults will be able to move between batches at the same time.

Adults who are delivering activities do not need to wear a face covering, but may chose to do so.

Scouts and Explorers will need to wear face coverings for indoor meetings

We need to continue to encourage young people to maintain 2m social distancing

The rules are completely stupid and inconsistent, the Scouts have to wear masks but the Leaders don’t? The 2m social distancing requirement has been dropped everywhere else, why are we still requiring it? It will make running any kind of games or activities basically impossible. We don’t have enough space or tables for 15 scouts to be 2m apart at all times. I presume camping is out too. Who on Earth uses terms like Batch to describe people? They’re kids not an effing product.

On top of that we now have to carry out a full Covid risk assessment for the building and all activities. They can just eff off. This seems to be designed to take all the fun out of Scouting and I don’t see how you can even run a meeting night with those restrictions. As a result I’ve told the Group Scout Leader that I have no desire to continue until things return to normal.

I would urge anyone with kids in Scouts to withdraw them now and any leaders to also resign.

Baden Powell must he turning in his grave at the moment.

104462 ▶▶ matt, replying to Steve, 4, #844 of 1520 🔗

That’s really sad. My boys are really looking forward to going back to Beavers (my older boy is old enough for cubs, but his best friend isn’t, so he’s waiting). Sounds like I may have to stop them.

104534 ▶▶▶ Steve, replying to matt, 6, #845 of 1520 🔗

That is probably for the best, although it might be slightly better at Beaver/Cub level (they won’t have to wear masks).

I just don’t see how it will be possible to have a fun experience with these restrictions in place. The 2m rule alone will make virtually every game we play impossible and seems impractical to actually enforce. Other activities will require the scouts to be on individual tables as they are too small for the social distancing requirement(we only have 10 tables in the hut too). Sharing of tools will also be impractical as they will probably need to be cleaned between each user (the sample risk assessment suggests that, we don’t have enough of most equipment for each scout to have one assigned to them). Camping seems completely impossible for obvious reasons. Can we even do some activities such as cooking?

I’m going to try and get some feedback as to what activities/games they actually expect us to be able to do, what guidance they’ve received from the government. I’m also going to ask if they’ve prepared a risk assessment on the long term wearing of masks. I expect I’ll just get some bollocks back about following the ‘Science’ or some such.

104663 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Steve, 3, #846 of 1520 🔗

I haven’t used the forums, but it would be worthwhile to start something to detail and document the staggering degree of “thou shalt not” that we’re expected to live under. As a scouts, I spent days in the rain trying to get an A frame up. Probably caught a cold. Didn’t kill me. Barely noticed n

104467 ▶▶ Bobblybob, replying to Steve, 19, #847 of 1520 🔗

Have had a similar experience with hockey. I’ve kicked off at England Hockey, but that’s me hanging up my boots. If the ball goes out of play you have to retrieve it with your stick, no picking up. And changing rooms and showers are closed. So i can drive 2 hours to play a game then drive back with no tea or shower. Hands must be sanitised at half time. That’s a whole generation of youngsters (not that they shower anyway) who are going to be put off playing by stupid rules. Good luck with the obesity drive when organised sport has been turned to shi*e.

104495 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Bobblybob, 10, #848 of 1520 🔗

Oh Steve and Bobblybob that is very sad. So many people missing out, so many losses. Today I lost my temper with a young neighbour who is in his 20s whilst I am in my 60s. We are in the Northern so called lockdown. Myself and all my friends and family are taking no notice at all of the rules, we are meeting up and hugging. My young neighbour told me its so difficult not being able to do anything or meet any one. I am afraid I lost it and told him to grow up.

But it had me thinking that perhaps young people have bought into the rules as they are being sold as communitarian. Perhaps also they don’t have elderly family living in care homes so don’t know about those separations. And perhaps young people are less likely to know about the long waiting lists and backlogs at the hospitals. Perhaps they have also been sold the idea to be opposed to the rules is an alt right attitude.

It looks like we will have a long way to go to get them on board.

104517 ▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Bobblybob, 10, #849 of 1520 🔗

There is always horse riding, lots of excellent exercise, new skills to learn and most horse people sceptical (at least where I am). Stables over run with kids for weeks now, all social distancing gone by the board a long time ago. Lovely to see them all on the ponies riding to music in the school. Happy times.

104617 ▶▶▶▶ The Spingler, replying to DressageRider, 2, #850 of 1520 🔗

Agreed – amongst all the horsey folk I know everyone is behaving as if the pandemic never happened. My vet, who I respect enormously, even had me peering over his shoulder to check out the sharp teeth in one of my horse’s mouths. His practice sent out a text before he arrived with a long list of rules (face masks must be worn, horse must be already tied up in stable, 2 m distance at all times etc etc) but a quick nod and smile and we carried on as normal.

104640 ▶▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to The Spingler, 1, #851 of 1520 🔗

Wow you’re lucky. The yard I am on has some proper bedwetters. Will think nothing of galloping across country but have a melt down if you go in the tack room
while they are in there. Sport Endurance has not even had a delayed start to the season because too many members felt unsafe due to Covid. I thought people who rode 600kg of unpredictable animal at high speeds would have more backbone!

104503 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Steve, 10, #852 of 1520 🔗

I was talking to someone recently who attended a Girl Guide camp during the 1968 flu epidemic. She reports two of the girls were removed on stretchers during the camp, it didn’t stop the camp. Very different times indeed.

104547 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Steve, 12, #853 of 1520 🔗

That’s insanity. When i was a scout 35 years ago, we played British bulldog. I remember being dragged around an old scout hut as a new boy, getting splinters in my arse. Halcyon days. I reckon that the many experiences I had in the Scouts taught me how important risk taking is to having a great life.

I heard before this just how stupidly risk averse the Scouting movement had become.

Spoke to a friend earlier who’s retired and volunteers a couple of days a week at a local museum. He’s refused to go back due to having to wear a face mask.

What was left of the volunteer sector is being killed by the do gooding virtue signalling twats.

Much respect to you for resigning. The Scouts used to be a brilliant institution.

104954 ▶▶▶ Templeton, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #854 of 1520 🔗

Sweet Jesus, you just made me think of my old Scout master for the first time in years.
“Pinching Peter Cub Scout Eater”
He was a bastard when we played bulldog.

104589 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Steve, 6, #855 of 1520 🔗

I am so sorry to hear this. I have found that the joy has been taken out of everything since this madness started. Whenever “they” give us back something, it comes with some new humiliation in exchange. Sure, the stores are open again but who wants to wear a mask, have your temperature checked, line up for a change room, etc.? You can go to a restaurant but you’ll be served by a masked server, have to give your contact information, wear a mask to/from the table and bathroom, etc. Nothing that used to give me pleasure gives me pleasure any longer, even if it’s technically “open.” I really want to lose it when people claim that everything has opened up again. Good on you for resigning and taking a stand — if it’s going to be a miserable experience for you and the kids, there’s no point in being a part of it.

104681 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve, #856 of 1520 🔗

If he fails to implement them and/or fails to insist that every member complies then it has been made clear that the consequences for the club … can be severe.

Interesting. In writing, Ema ?

104775 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steve, #857 of 1520 🔗

What hath PM Johnson wrought?

104461 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 11, #858 of 1520 🔗


“The CDC reversed its guidance to say that people in close contact with a COVID-positive person don’t need to get tested. This is not science. It’s politics. Politics that are dangerous to public health. It’s indefensible.

The insane US Politics. Cuomo NY complaining about new CDC guidelines not testing asymptomatic

104564 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to swedenborg, 3, #859 of 1520 🔗

This might be due to Dr Scott Atlas joining the US COVID-19 repsonse team, or whatever they are called there, seems he’s one of the few sane ones…

104776 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to swedenborg, 1, #860 of 1520 🔗

Cuomo’s a dangerous nobody.

104465 Laura Suckling, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #861 of 1520 🔗

Time for a little parody before I sink into the darkness:


104482 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #862 of 1520 🔗

Thank you Laura!!! Just what I needed. Really need to get myself a Science bumbag.

104472 Montag Smith, replying to Montag Smith, 7, #863 of 1520 🔗

Surely the only person who thinks Bozo Johnson has been Curchillian is himself?!

104777 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Montag Smith, #864 of 1520 🔗

If he thinks that he’s dellusional. Seriously delusional.

104487 Liam, replying to Liam, 12, #865 of 1520 🔗

It is when authority is understood by almost everyone to be in the right that it is most tyrannical.

104492 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to Liam, 3, #866 of 1520 🔗

Well said.

104496 NonCompliant, replying to NonCompliant, 21, #867 of 1520 🔗
  1. Make ordinary life intolerable
  2. Offer a vaccine to make it all go away
  3. Those that won’t take the vaccine go in the ovens
  4. Sorry we forgot to say this is an annual vaccine
  5. Oh by the way, you now get a nice Global ID chip implant as part of it
  6. What you don’t want an ID chip? See 3.
104537 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to NonCompliant, 11, #868 of 1520 🔗

I’m spent after less than 6 months of point 1. I had no idea that my pain threshold was so low. A pale shadow of my ancestors who withstood far greater agonies than this.

104552 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Richard O, 15, #869 of 1520 🔗

I expect they knew why. Had to fight Hitler. Had to fight the Kaiser. Had to fight Boney. Had to struggle against poverty. Had to fight for rights and fair treatment. Had to fight to get their kids educated. In every case, they knew either who they were fighting or what they were fighting for.

But this? A non-event. Something that barely registers, yet has torn our society apart. Sadly, this time the enemy is within.

Hold fast.

104578 ▶▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Nick Rose, 9, #870 of 1520 🔗

I think the enforced isolation has been a big factor in the speedy demoralisation. Keep people seperated for long enough and make strangers biohazards to be avoided.
In those previous struggles we were all in it together. At the moment large swathes of the population are completely atomised.

104628 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to NonCompliant, 10, #871 of 1520 🔗

I am a naturally antisocial person, and have gone out of my way to avoid people left, right and centre for decades. Never went to parties or “events” of any kind. Always sat at a table in a pub as far away from others as I could. Shunned strangers. Did my shopping late in the evening.

But that was my choice, and I always had the company of a handful of cherished friends to look forward to at the end of the week. Not only has this possibility been shut down by the state, but I have also effectively lost all of said friends through deep and irreconcilable differences around the events of the last 6 months, without even having had the chance to argue my case to them in person.

104636 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #872 of 1520 🔗

No matter how exhausted I get, I will hold the line. Even if it kills me.

104781 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nick Rose, #873 of 1520 🔗

The Last Poets. 1984.
Hold Fast.

104553 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Richard O, 14, #874 of 1520 🔗

I know what you mean, I sometimes think that the reason I am not challenged about not wearing a facemask is because after 5 months of Covid lockdown and madness I have the demeanor of a psychopathic serial killer out on temporary licence!

104925 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #875 of 1520 🔗

>a psychopathic serial killer out on temporary licence

How about an official-looking lanyards to that effect? Would work great in supermarkets etc

105284 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to kf99, #876 of 1520 🔗

I would say if challenged by any berk ” I am bi polar and any form of anxiety brings forth an unpredictable outcome.”

104573 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Richard O, 14, #877 of 1520 🔗

Don’t underestimate the agony Richard. I’ve thought my resilience was low as well, but remembered I’ve come through multiple miscarriages, 2 preemie births, postpartum depression, and a teen who has suffered with mental health issues — and none of that was even close to this in terms of the depression and anxiety I have felt these past 5 months. My life has been pretty charmed, so I don’t trot out these difficulties looking for sympathy, and I’m quite sure everyone here has their own personal war stories. What’s going on here is an existential threat to everything we’ve ever assumed about life here on earth. Yes, there have been wars and other great agonies in recent history, but when people banded together during wartime it was to fight a visible enemy. The existential threat was more tangible, and even during war there was still school, theatre, social life, etc. What’s happening here is very different and is an attack on the very nature of what it is to be human. And it’s happened with startling speed, with no end in sight. I don’t know that the world has been gaslighted ever before to this extent. Let’s try to shore each other up as best we can! It’s easy to be self-critical — I’ve been there so many times recently — but I think there’s something wrong with people who AREN’T suffering right now. They’re either too stupid or in a coma, but I suspect it’ll catch up with them eventually.

104661 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 5, #878 of 1520 🔗

This is significant. Our culture denigrates anything that is not physical, including suffering. In terms of my ancestry, wallowing in the trenches under constant shell and gas attack from the Bosch, or being under Luftwaffe bombardment every night for months on end, is always going to be considered more grievous. Anyone who claims to be suffering now is castigated as self-indulgent by comparison.

Your testimony speaks very eloquently to the dimensions of what we face however, which is nothing short of global psychological warfare. This is unique in all history in terms of its methods and scale. I have studied 20th century genocides at length, and as you and others have stated, the enemy was always in plain sight. Not so these days.

The pain is obvious every day in the comments here. It is real and significant. And ours to bear witness to, own and survive.

104689 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #879 of 1520 🔗

We could be optimistic though. This could be the start of an uprising. Let’s not forget that pre-Covid was not a barrel of laughs for a lot of people. We could have a re-set, but on our terms, not the 1%. As loving, cooperative human beings and not as slaves.

104780 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Richard O, #880 of 1520 🔗

It’s time for another Peasants Revolt. Don’t eff up this time.


104618 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to NonCompliant, 1, #881 of 1520 🔗

I’m looking forward to the day they try #3 cuz I got nothing to live for and nothing to lose.

104778 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to NonCompliant, #882 of 1520 🔗
104499 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 12, #883 of 1520 🔗

Oh dear, no freebie skiing and extra-curricular nookie for the great and good due to the virus:


The vaccine trials must have hit a few snags!

104522 ▶▶ Bugle, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #884 of 1520 🔗

That is news!

104528 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #885 of 1520 🔗

I really hope they have overplayed their hand. What has occurred is unforgivable.

104550 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to KBuchanan, 2, #886 of 1520 🔗

They have.

104539 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #887 of 1520 🔗

If only there was another Austin Powers film – “Austin Does Davos”, That would be funny. Especially if he was a asymptomatic carrier unwittingly killing off world leaders he thought he was protecting.

104549 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to OKUK, #888 of 1520 🔗

Very good!

104559 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #889 of 1520 🔗

I’m sure they’re still plotting over Zoom. Now that the masses have been cowed, they’re not going to give up that easily. Postponing the meeting is for optics — they’re still psychopaths.

104571 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #890 of 1520 🔗

Oh I agree with that, but from their point of view, better done while accompanied by sex and drugs and rock ‘n’ roll!

104945 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #891 of 1520 🔗

Looks like they are running behind schedule so need to think something else up or be defeated.

104504 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 58, #892 of 1520 🔗

Today I received an email from our big cheese informing us of who have taken voluntary redundancy and telling us to standby for announcement of further savings which, ahem, will most certainly include compulsory redundancy.

This should never had happened had we stuck to the original 3 week, flatten the curve lockdown. Instead we are fighting to stay alive despite the laughable “safety” measures and abysmal visitor numbers. With more job losses and bankruptcies over the horizon, I seriously doubt that our numbers will improve unless all antisocial distancing, muzzle wearing and other Covid “safety” measures are abolished.

I’ve always said this before and I’ll say it again – Johnson, Hancock, Ferguson and the rest of SAGE, you have blood on your hands. I shall never forgive and forget for what you’ve done, how you’ve brainwashed people into believing your nonsense and lies and especially how you destroyed lives.

104507 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #893 of 1520 🔗

Save The NHS !! Clap. Clap. Clap. Clap. Clap.

Good luck on the job front. I’m in the same boat come Friday.

104516 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to NonCompliant, 7, #894 of 1520 🔗

Thanks and same to you. We won’t find out anything yet about the further savings until September.

104519 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #895 of 1520 🔗

Yes they do have blood on their hands and the longer they lie the more will the damage and deaths be. I am so sorry for you and NonCompliant.

104531 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendy, 10, #896 of 1520 🔗

Hence why I foresee rioting – it will come. Don’t know when but the clock is ticking.

104545 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #897 of 1520 🔗

Definitely Bart. I’ve seen it on other sites were pro-lockdown voices have fallen silent one by one, replaced by scepticism. See it in the comments to online newspaper articles. Hear it more and more as people realise they stand to lose everything they hold dear.

And over a spook. A non-event. A non-epidemic.

There will be trouble. Tick-tock.

104625 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #898 of 1520 🔗

It will make 2011 and even the Poll Tax riots look like a picnic.

104749 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #899 of 1520 🔗

But don’t rely on the Scotland this time. The Scots have bent their now very weak knees to power crazy Nicola, who is intent on outgunning even dullard Boris, in the Covid stupidity stakes.

104783 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Rowan, #900 of 1520 🔗

Any odds yet on the Covid stupidity stakes? The betting companies could use some fresh revenue.

104831 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to richard riewer, #901 of 1520 🔗

You can’t bet on infinity.

104830 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #902 of 1520 🔗

But it will be socially distanced rioting.

104864 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, #903 of 1520 🔗

Maybe they should carry BLM or VE day placards to avoid social distancing. We have established that BLM is immune from the virus.

104548 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #904 of 1520 🔗

November the angst will start when the furlough ends and mortgage holidays are terminated and people are faced with the stark reality…

104627 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sue, 2, #905 of 1520 🔗

And more shops closing following commercial rent collection in September.

104596 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #906 of 1520 🔗

I think October could be problematic on many fronts. Historically a bad month for the stock market, and I anticipate a ‘credit event’ either here or in the US, or both. End of conference season, run up to US election. Can still get warm weather – people outside drinking. I hope not, but it could all spill over into something nasty.

104637 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #907 of 1520 🔗

Huge storm/hurricane heading to US also, could be catastrophic.

104675 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Sarigan, #908 of 1520 🔗

Yes, hurricane watch till November too.

104754 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Sarigan, -1, #909 of 1520 🔗

Oh dear me.

104673 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #910 of 1520 🔗

And October together with November is usually the last chance saloon in a year to find and/or secure a new job. Which I suspect won’t be forthcoming this year hence another reason for rioting.

104753 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #911 of 1520 🔗

It actually needs to spill over into something very forceful or we are finished.

104784 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #912 of 1520 🔗

Oktoberfest in Germany.

104561 ▶▶▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to wendy, 3, #913 of 1520 🔗

Cheers Wendy. Lets hope we’re getting close to the push back.

104541 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to NonCompliant, 5, #914 of 1520 🔗

And this is only going to get worse.

104525 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #915 of 1520 🔗

Sorry to hear this Bart,I wish you well.I too will never ever forget those that have destroyed this country,they deserve to hang for what they have done.
All around the madness is accelerating and I now have very little hope we can ever live in sanity again,I have felt more despair this week than at any time so far in this unreal nightmare.

104530 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Paul, 17, #916 of 1520 🔗

Agree. And I also include Imperial College in this – they along with the BBC should be defunded and closed for the misery they have inflicted on us.

104786 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, #917 of 1520 🔗

Will Bill demand a refund?

104785 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Paul, 1, #918 of 1520 🔗

Don’t hang them, make them live in Greta Thunberg’s Green Paradise home. No gas, no this, no that … Chop your own firewood. Hunt for your food. Rub two sticks together to make a fire. What bliss!

105350 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to richard riewer, #919 of 1520 🔗

Greta lives in central Stockholm – I just looked up her home on the internet. Such information is easily findable here in Sweden 😉 I’d forgotten one of her middle names was Tintin…

104832 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Paul, 1, #920 of 1520 🔗

WE live in sanity.
So long as we don’t despair, there will be sane people carrying on the fight.

104535 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #921 of 1520 🔗

Never thought much of Hancock – the idiot who emailed the Conservative Party election plan to his near namesake, Liberal Democrat MP Mike Hancock. But I confess I was a Johnson fan and the events of the last few months have been a huge and irreparable disappointment. As you say the initial 3 week lockdown was possibly barely justified since the NHS had failed to plan properly for a pandemic. But everything after has been a huge act of self harm, the equivalent of sawing off your leg because you’ve got a toenail infection.

104668 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to OKUK, 2, #922 of 1520 🔗

Well said. I blame the MSM for pushing us into this mess, they should also get their own day of reckoning.

104540 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bart Simpson, 15, #923 of 1520 🔗

Destroyed lives, destroyed businesses, destroyed jobs, destroyed opportunities, destroyed education, destroyed the country’s finances, destroyed trust in the Establishment (what was left of it).

Hope you manage to avoid the job losses Bart. Don’t know yet if I’m in the same boat.

104602 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #924 of 1520 🔗

Indeed. It’s destruction on a Carthaginian scale!

104543 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #925 of 1520 🔗

Sorry to hear this Bart – there are no words strong enough for these cretins who have absolutely ruined people’s livelihoods and the entire country. Too many people will be in the same position and I hope they all loudly express their anger to TPTB – i have a feeling it will be the winter of discontent for this government and they so deserve it!
Wish you all the best for your company and employment – i think most people in the country, certainly private business sector, are living in fear of job loss, i know i am!

104610 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sue, 6, #926 of 1520 🔗

It’s really sad and for us who remain, it will be weeks of stress and uncertainty. As a friend has said, she has known of people who have lost jobs or died from other illnesses. But to this day she doesn’t know of anyone who had Covid 19 much less died from it.

Agree with you. As that famous TV programme has said, winter is coming and the government will have their day of reckoning.

104551 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #927 of 1520 🔗

They are war criminals, the lot of them. The quicker we get to full on meltdown the better I reckon.As the saying goes, if you’re going through hell then go through it quickly (or something like that).

104620 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #928 of 1520 🔗

And I think we will – furlough ending and commercial rents coming up in September – its not going to be pretty.

104557 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Bart Simpson, 19, #929 of 1520 🔗

I’m sad for anyone who questioned this nonsense and who will have to pay a huge price for it. Can’t muster up the same empathy for the lockdown zealots. We are in the envious position of being retired, and yet were more than willing to take the “risk” of going on as usual in order to prevent economic armageddon and preserve the rights and freedoms for our kids that we have taken for granted our entire lives. Makes me sick to hear the people who are not in fear of losing their jobs, businesses, etc. drone on about “saving lives” as if the economy is somehow unrelated to lives. We were happy to do our part to keep on living, spend money, etc. but these draconian rules have kept me at home and not spending money. If old normal makes a comeback I’ll be the first on a plane, in a restaurant, in a shop, at a museum, etc. My anger on behalf of those of you who may lose jobs knows no bounds, and I worry for my kids as well.

104584 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 11, #930 of 1520 🔗

I am in the same position Lisa. I worry for my kids (20 and 18), just starting out as independent adults at university, then hopefully careers. The opportunities I had at that age, and the lifestyle in London in the late 1980s, I fear will never return in my lifetime.

104623 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #931 of 1520 🔗

Mine are 23 and 19. The older is in her last year of teacher’s college to teach in a French immersion setting and am just hoping she doesn’t have to go into a classroom like she’s supposed to…only because of the mask bullshit (mandatory for all). She already has strep throat from being back in the city a week and I’m sure it’s because of that damn mask. The younger is at university and will be OK for now, but of course I concur with you about whether they’ll have the same lifestyle and opportunities we had.

104619 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 9, #932 of 1520 🔗

Thanks. I always get really cheesed off when someone says “people before profit” or “if it saves one life its worth it. They really need to be confronted with the harsh realities of their favourite sayings and the sooner we consign these abominations to the dustbin of history where they belong, our society has a fighting chance.

104787 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #933 of 1520 🔗

Ask them if they know how many lives have been saved as opposed to how many lives have been/will be lost. They probably don’t know either way.

104884 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to richard riewer, 2, #934 of 1520 🔗

Do we actually know how many lives have been saved? I mean, ignoring the waffle about limiting the spread (it’s clear to me it had spread far and wide before anybody noticed it) but in terms of hospitals, say – how many people have come out of hospital alive who would otherwise have died? We’ve heard about lots of people who’ve died in hospital and there will be people who went into hospital and recovered simply because their bodies fought off the infection, but how many has our sainted NHS actually saved?

104964 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #935 of 1520 🔗

Not retired (46) but WFH since March and not spending. My monthly expenditure has fallen to €500 (not a typo) due to lockdown and an inability to go anywhere. I would be more than happy to return to the original normal towmorrow and start spending.

105107 ▶▶ John Ballard, replying to Bart Simpson, #936 of 1520 🔗

Same with my firm, before this it was making good profits and now we have made lots of people redundant, slashed monthly bonus schemes etc. All because of the fools acting like this is some virus out of the ordinary instead of a normal event which we have had piles of in my lifetime (over 50), if you include flu’s, bad cold viruses etc.
I called it the first snowflake pandemic when it started. Nothing has changed my mind.
Now we have Government managed via Social Media and MSM reactions. I voted for Boris, in my eyes he is now impossible to vote for again, but so are the rest of them.
Without any doubt, the biggest group of wet halfwits we have ever had the choice to vote for.
Where is the British fight, common sense?
The country is run by fools, listening to fools, destroying retail while allowing the likes of Amazon to pay next to no tax. Destroying the travel/transport industries while we are forced to quarantine as 20 in 100,000 have a virus most will not even realise they have.
I would like to say I believe we will learn from our mistakes, but I doubt it. I think this is the start of things to come.

104533 Cheezilla, 15, #937 of 1520 🔗

New doorman at Aldi tonight. I smiled at him and started perusing the flowers. I could sense his hesitation, then he said quietly and politely: “I think you’ve forgotten your mask?” I looked straight at him said “I’m exempt” and he just said “Oh, fine.”
First time I’ve been challenged, though done very tentatively. No big deal.

No spraying either, though I got a funny look from the perpetrator. I think she suspects it was me who complained. Heh, heh, heh!

104542 matt, replying to matt, 27, #938 of 1520 🔗

I’ve been mulling over a response to my parish priest, who emailed me to check on my older boy. My older boy was supposed to have his first communion in June this year – they’re now offering a socially distanced first communion in October. (I’m very angry). I’ve drafted this – would welcome contributions and if I should tone it down.

Hello father XXXX,

First of all, thank you for your email and apologies for the slow response. I’m also conscious that I owe XXXX multiple emails. I’ve been considering my reply quite carefully.

We have done our best over the last several months to keep XXXX up-to-date with the first communion teaching course, as we have done with his schoolwork. I’m relatively confident that he is ready for first communion and he certainly shows a good understanding of the teaching and the passages set.

I appreciate you giving the option of first communion under the current circumstances or deferring to next year.

On balance, I would much prefer for XXXX’s first communion to be deferred to next year (presumably/hopefully Corpus Christi). As I have done my best to protect both of my boys from the Orwellian reality developing around them. I would prefer to continue that by offering XXXX a spiritual experience in his first communion next year, rather than inflicting a dystopian vision on a young mind and lead him to be distant from the church.

I am sure that you and others at [name of church] have done your best to interpret the rules and guidance given by the government and translated by the archdiocese and I don’t question or criticise you for it. I’m sorry to say that I do question the church itself for failing to stand up for the importance of spiritual succour in the midst of an apparent pandemic. Churches did not close for the Black Death but Pope Francis feels unable to insist that they remain open for this. It is cowardly. I have never felt more alienated from the Church of Rome.

If XXXX is willing and if we have returned to something approaching normality by next summer, then I hope he can enjoy the sacrament of first communion.

Best regards,

104562 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to matt, 3, #939 of 1520 🔗

Although I agree with what you are saying, and as a Catholic (very lapsed) I suggest ‘but I am disappointed that Pope Francis did not insist they remain open for this’, and remove ‘It is cowardly’, unless your priest is young (under 40).

104650 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #940 of 1520 🔗

I made some changes and sent:

Hello father XXX,

First of all, apologies for the slow response. I’m also conscious that I owe
XXX multiple emails. I’ve been considering my reply quite carefully.

We have done our best over the last several months to keep XXXX up-to-date with the first communion teaching course, as we have done with his schoolwork. I’m relatively confident that he is ready for first communion and he certainly shows a good understanding of the teaching and the passages set.

I appreciate you giving the option of first communion under the current circumstances or deferring to next year.

On balance, I would much prefer for XXXX’s first communion to be deferred to next year (presumably/hopefully Corpus Christi). As I have done my best to protect both of my boys from the Orwellian reality developing around them, I would prefer to continue that by offering Ralph a spiritual experience in his first communion next year, rather than inflicting a dystopian vision on a young mind and lead him to be distant from the church. The Blessed Sacrament is not poison, it should not be treated as such.

I am sure that you and others at [church] have done your best to interpret the rules and guidance given by the government and translated by the archdiocese and I don’t question or criticise you for it. I’m sorry to say that I do question the church itself for failing to stand up for the importance of spiritual succour in the midst of an apparent pandemic. Churches did not close for the Black Death but Pope Francis feels unable to insist that they remain open for this.

If Ralph is willing and if we have returned to something approaching normality by next summer, then I hope he can enjoy the sacrament of first communion.

Best regards,

104664 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to matt, #941 of 1520 🔗

Excellent. It’s a special event and needs to be conducted in the right manner.

104789 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to matt, #942 of 1520 🔗

Much preferred the first letter.

104612 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to matt, 4, #943 of 1520 🔗

I think it is a good letter. I defer though of course to the Tigress.

This is so sad. I am sorry your son and you are in this position.

Something odd has got into many of the clergy, it seems to me. Not that I can claim a representative knowledge. My old chaplain, in his nineties, finds all this stuff repugnant. Others I know, a generation and more younger, are terrified. I don’t quite understand it. I have heard one good sermon that said basically what you do above, slightly more diplomatically. The point was made from the pulpit that the Church does not exist to save lives, but to save souls. A full church showed visible, almost triumphant assent. But even there, compliance reigns. I am exempt, of course 😉

104829 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ovis, #944 of 1520 🔗

Something odd indeed, and it seems to apply to all churches.
Do the clergy really have any trust in God?

104632 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to matt, 2, #945 of 1520 🔗

Not RC but I think this is a good letter.

104714 ▶▶ Tangelo, replying to matt, 2, #946 of 1520 🔗

Great email …and I’m an atheist 😁

104788 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to matt, #947 of 1520 🔗

Fantastic. Your parish priest appears to be lost in the wilderness at the moment.

104818 ▶▶ James007, replying to matt, #948 of 1520 🔗

I think this is a very polite and reasonable letter. No toning down required in my view.

104828 ▶▶ annie, replying to matt, 1, #949 of 1520 🔗

Hold firm.Do not subject your son to Covid worship.
Wait until your Church returns to the worship of the true God. He will wait. He doesn’t go by timetables.

104556 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #950 of 1520 🔗

Check out Peter Hitchen’s Tortoise Campaign:
Control the Tortoise. Look upwards at all times. Save Lives.

The comments are fun: https://twitter.com/ClarkeMicah/status/1297812708885225472

104560 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #951 of 1520 🔗

It’s very funny

I think he’s reaching the end of his tether

104563 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Julian, 4, #952 of 1520 🔗

We all are Julian.

104569 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Julian, 1, #953 of 1520 🔗

I suspect many are reaching the end of their tethers. I cannot see any way of getting out of this but will not stop trying.

104566 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #954 of 1520 🔗

The comments are great. We are not alone.

104626 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cheezilla, #955 of 1520 🔗

I love the shark rustler in the comments!

104567 mrjoeaverage, replying to mrjoeaverage, 11, #956 of 1520 🔗

Just thinking aloud….

All we hear these days, is woke this woke that. “I’m offended about our past” …. “I’m outraged about the past” …..”how dare slavery be part of our past” ….. and so on and so. Despite the fact they’ll find racism far worse in the rest of Europe but that’s irrelevant for the point I am thinking.

Yet these virtue-signallers will happily wear masks for their new masters. Are they slaves now to their rulers?

Am I missing something? Will this offend them in the future?

I shall finish thinking aloud now.

104739 ▶▶ jim j, replying to mrjoeaverage, 1, #957 of 1520 🔗

Empires destroy themselves in the end… Christian Democracies are a dying breed

104768 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to jim j, 1, #958 of 1520 🔗

Degeneracy destroys empires and the collapse of Christianity in the west is almost complete.What fills the gap is up for grabs now.We have facism and technocracy trying to seize total power.

104576 G M, replying to G M, 3, #959 of 1520 🔗

The U-turn taken by BJ on face masks is deceptively discretionary. It only makes them mandatory for schools in lockdown areas, giving discretion to head teachers whether to impose them in all other areas. But headteachers are amongst the most cautious and risk averse people in public service. There is also a herd mentality to them which means that they are very afraid – with one or two notable exceptions – of standing our from the crowd. In the next week or so we can thus expect most heads to interpret “discretionary guidance” as mandatory action. Despite the majority of schools being outside lockdown areas, and thus not actually subject to the mask rule, by the beginning of term I can pretty well guarantee that most schools will be insisting on masks. Headteachers, meant to encourage open thinking, initiative and debate amongst their students, were the ones demanding this guidance in the first place because they didn’t know what to do without it. Speaks volumes, sadly.

104713 ▶▶ NickR, replying to G M, 2, #960 of 1520 🔗

Yes, Boris has outsourced the decision knowing full well they’ll all introduce masks, effectively saving “schools are not safe”!
And of course the decision makers don’t pick up the bill! That all comes straight back to the taxpayer.

104579 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 16, #961 of 1520 🔗


“People are feeling more anxious and angry during the second Covid-19 lockdown than any other time since the pandemic started, according to new social media analysis.
The sense of community New Zealand felt during the first lockdown in March appears to have somewhat dissolved amid growing frustration and despair, suggests the new research by business consultancy Rutherford.”

 I wonder how they would feel in the third lockdown.

104606 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to swedenborg, 8, #962 of 1520 🔗

Might that imply a shock result for Jacinda, friend of Blair, when the election is finally allowed to take place in October?

104614 ▶▶ matt, replying to swedenborg, 4, #963 of 1520 🔗

The various policing videos coming out make me wonder hi ow anyone could have a positive feeling.

104639 ▶▶ Bella, replying to swedenborg, 3, #964 of 1520 🔗

Why are NZ-ers so compliant?

104672 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bella, 1, #965 of 1520 🔗

It’s not just NZ-ers it’s the whole world!

105337 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bella, #966 of 1520 🔗

There is an interesting video on Twitter about some dodgy things going on off the coast of NZ – apparently big names are fleeing there to avoid prosecution in the US..

104648 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to swedenborg, 2, #967 of 1520 🔗

I thought the were planning to keep NZ isolated for the next 5 years just to be really sure!

104827 ▶▶ annie, replying to swedenborg, 1, #968 of 1520 🔗

And the fourth, and the fifth, and so ad infinitum, in an unending game of cat- and-mouse.
Oh, what fun.

104588 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 10, #969 of 1520 🔗

Has anyone seen the EasyJet flight from Gibraltar farce?

Flight was delayed so EasyJet put passengers into hotels overnight, but they could not get enough hotel space in Gibraltar so sent passenger across the border in Spain.

These people are now having to isolate for two weeks having been to Spain.

This stuff is a joke.

If you have ever been to Gibraltar you will know why.

104590 ▶▶ Fed up, replying to Dave #KBF, 5, #970 of 1520 🔗

It’s that clever virus again-knows it’s not allowed to cross the 10 metre strip of land separating the two countries.

104593 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Fed up, 4, #971 of 1520 🔗

Indeed, many people walk across the “border” to go to work each day.

104594 steve, replying to steve, 12, #972 of 1520 🔗

The Ambleside Inn in the lakes just tried to take our temperature before letting us in the pub. Decided to go elsewhere for a drink.

Restaurant staff (mostly 20 yr olds) all masked up and shops full of face nappies. Insanity squared.

This is the new normal. This government will go down in the history books as the cabinet who phuqued it all up royally.

104598 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to steve, 3, #973 of 1520 🔗

Nah, they’ll just rewrite the history books once whoever is in charge has achieved their goals.

104669 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to NonCompliant, #974 of 1520 🔗

‘There will be no more history – or future – if they have their way. Just the hell of the eternal now’

Prescient, whoever said it.

104604 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to steve, 4, #975 of 1520 🔗

Well with the August Bank holiday approaching we are heading towards the end of the tourist season, whilst the lakes will have been busy with UK tourists I wonder what the lack of international tourists will have done to to economy.

Hope whichever pub you ended up in you had a good pint.

104622 ▶▶▶ steve, replying to Dave #KBF, #976 of 1520 🔗

It’s was mildly ok. However plastic screens across the bar.

3 lads came in and the barman got stroppy with them “only one person at the bar at a time”

104638 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to steve, 4, #977 of 1520 🔗

There’s something wrong with them. Where I drink the whole lot is completely ignored apart from some staff wearing muzzles.

104616 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to steve, 6, #978 of 1520 🔗

This is not the new normal. I’d give it 2 weeks after governments no longer require it. Most people know it’s stupid, and those who don’t are brainwashed… but the thing about brainwashing… reality ends up creeping back in. New normal only happens when it is based on something real.

104633 ▶▶▶ The Spingler, replying to RyanM, 3, #979 of 1520 🔗

The other half has been out and about over the border in England again this week. He’s noticed less mask wearing than previous weeks. So perhaps the tide is turning?

104646 ▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to The Spingler, 13, #980 of 1520 🔗

As I pointed out, yesterday, the state of Idaho recently voted to end its state of emergency, meaning that all of the covid restrictions disappear. I will have to ask my sister, but I imagine some of the awful school restrictions will still be in place. But, consider the following: Lockdowns happened in the same way mask-mandates happened. It wasn’t breaking news or developing science, it was mob behavior in the form of fad . Governments saw what other governments were doing and then reacted based on nothing more than a sort of peer pressure.

That is not how you build something lasting. The exact same thing can happen in reverse. Now, in the United States, you already have several states saying “ok, we’re done with this bullshit.” Southern states will quickly follow, but because they had much later covid curves, they’re only just coming out of it. Once a majority of US states have ended their restrictions, and once our election is concluded one way or another, their will be a lot of unrest that starts to bubble up, and we will have several states that we can point to as having done the right thing and suffered no harm.

It would not surprise me in the very least if this whole thing crumbles just as quickly as it was erected… and no disrespect to the UK, but if it falls in the US, I think it will fall over there as well.

104695 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to RyanM, 3, #981 of 1520 🔗

This has to be our hope. I pity the countries unreported and unrepresented on here who went into savage lockdown in mid-March , far worse than anything in the West, and have yet to have any of the restrictions lifted e.g. Peru, Panama, India to name a few.

I have been personally told by an Indian colleague that if he so much as set foot outside his front door he was beaten with sticks by the police, then fined for breaking lockdown. And when he couldn’t take it anymore he snuck out for a drive late at night, whereupon he was forcibly removed from his car by the police, beaten with sticks, fined for his infractions and then had his car confiscated, never to be seen again.

To think that several states in the US never even mandated a shelter in place e.g. South Dakota, Iowa.

104825 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to RyanM, 2, #982 of 1520 🔗

The UK. government and its stooges deserve no respect whatever, but yes, they will follow anything that moves.

105340 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to RyanM, #983 of 1520 🔗

We can only hope!

104631 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to steve, 9, #984 of 1520 🔗

Nobody who is not medically qualified should be taking your temperature.

104658 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Thinkaboutit, 4, #985 of 1520 🔗

Ask them when the device was last calibrated and certified as being accurate. The low cost ones off the internet are not great.

104799 ▶▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Dave #KBF, #986 of 1520 🔗

Great idea!


104849 ▶▶▶ Coronamoana, replying to Thinkaboutit, 2, #987 of 1520 🔗

I don’t know much about body temperature but surely you can have a raised temperature for conditions other than Covid, i.e. infections, menopause? A friend witnessed somebody being turned away from the gym because she had a raised temperature having jogged there.

105034 ▶▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Coronamoana, #988 of 1520 🔗

Quite. And the average bar person is not qualified to do differential diagnosis.

104684 ▶▶ Bob, replying to steve, 3, #989 of 1520 🔗

Went out 4×4 with kankku in Ambleside. Great day out.

When we arrived at 9am! they had a magic smoke machine in the cab of the land rover. No idea what it was but it’s was basically a white plastic humidifier generating a magic smoke.
The guide says “please wait a few minutes until the cabs are sterilized but the smoke” 🤪 😂 😂
Clearly a token gesture for all the bed wetters.

Had to laugh, it’s like we have gone back 400 years and the church is brainwashing the punters with voodoo.

Apart from that had a normal day out and they were fab.

104728 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to steve, 1, #990 of 1520 🔗

The pub we were in today had probably more,social distancing going on in January than now! I think the patrons were trying to make a point!! It was a lovely reminder of how things used to be.

Maybe the patrons are taking a very slight risk…but why is that risk worse than skiing, playing rugby, crossing the street, riding a motorbike, riding a horse, boxing, drinking alcohol, or eating cream cakes?

104826 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to OKUK, #991 of 1520 🔗

Or of catching a cold.

104790 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to steve, #992 of 1520 🔗

The temperature level was reduced to 37.8, replacing 38.6.

104845 ▶▶ Coronamoana, replying to steve, 3, #993 of 1520 🔗

I was in a pub garden this week and heard a 60+ year old man ask a 20+ year old staff member whether he should wear a mask to the toilet. Find it worrying that people are not capable of making their own decisions in this respect and need to be told what to do. In a restaurant, I was asked by a member of staff whether I had washed my hands – first time anyone’s asked me that for about 50 years!

104903 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Coronamoana, #994 of 1520 🔗

if he wore a nappy he could stay where he was ,,

104605 The Spingler, replying to The Spingler, 3, #995 of 1520 🔗

Wales continues to plough it’s own furrow in the mask v no mask debate – well sort of…


I’m kind of impressed that Grandpa Drakeford and co are not simply doing whatever Sturgeon does, like Boris, but obviously leaving the decision to union loving bed wetting headteachers and councils is likely to lead to face masks in schools, even if the Welsh Gov don’t want them to be mandatory.


104609 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to The Spingler, 1, #996 of 1520 🔗

There is this big push in all sorts of fields (social services, specifically) to move to “evidence based practices.”

Yet, here we are, with countries and states all over requiring kids to wear masks in school (or, in the US, many, many schools aren’t even opening at all), in spite of the fact that there is virtually no evidence to support these actions, and a lot of evidence showing that they will be harmful.

104613 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #997 of 1520 🔗

Apologies if it’s already been mentioned but Matt le Tissier was sacked from Sky Sports today. Make of that what you will.

104624 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #998 of 1520 🔗

Toby should be onto this one. Matt has been a breath of fresh air on Twitter. Has he been sacked for questioning the narrative in the pandemic?

104677 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to The Spingler, 5, #999 of 1520 🔗

Probably went for questioning the black lives matter propaganda the presenters were forced to endorse.
Expect more diversity on sports Saturday soon

104683 ▶▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1000 of 1520 🔗

Wasn’t the legend Clive Tyldesley also recently removed, from ITV coverage, in his case? racial profiling much??

104634 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1001 of 1520 🔗

Both Sky and CNBC are ‘pushing’ or ‘nudging’ the lockdown and aspects of cultural Marxism. Both now owned by Comcast. Brian L Roberts, is the Chairman and CEO, a Democrat supporter of Hillary Clinton.


104685 ▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1002 of 1520 🔗

That’s interesting… with the push on BLM particularly at the moment, Hillary famously went into a meeting of theirs a few years ago, think it might have been election year 2016 actually, got into the face of one [African-American] guy and almost screamed, “I’m just gonna speak to the white people over there…”!

104791 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Not Tiger Woods, 1, #1003 of 1520 🔗

McCarthyism in the 21st Century.

104654 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #1004 of 1520 🔗

He’s more than likely gone for not supporting BLM. Looks like Thompson and Nicholas must’ve also objected too. It’s the same as getting rid of Gower and Botham last year, they are not remainers so can’t have them representing SKY.

104697 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to JohnB, 4, #1005 of 1520 🔗

Meanwhile disgusting reptile Piers Morgan who was highly critical of BLM four years ago in 2016 is now fully on board with their Far Left race-baiting agenda. Matt should have learned from the master.

104901 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to JohnB, 1, #1006 of 1520 🔗

white kills white,, not news
black kills black – not news
black kills white – not news
white kills black – BLM! Racism! MSM go mad. Sports teams cancel and virtue signal. People are blocked, people are cancelled. We are all institutionally racist . ..

104974 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to mjr, 2, #1007 of 1520 🔗

I certainly am. I’ve committed the four cardinal sins: white, male, born here, worked and paid taxes. I am beyond redemption.

104659 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1008 of 1520 🔗

Phil Thompson and Charlie Nicholas too. Looking forward to Sky Sports Soccer Wokeday on a weekend ! Might be time to ditch them shortly.

104678 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to NonCompliant, 2, #1009 of 1520 🔗

Mines already gone.Couldnt take the virtue signalling.I only wanted to watch football

104866 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1010 of 1520 🔗

the one good thing about this whole thing is sport has shot itself in the head. Who cares about any of these teams spouting black lives bullshit? They don’t seem to realise but i know a lot of people pissed off with it, life long football supporters who just have stopped watching. Kids no longer looking at football because they know they’re not racist nor are they responsible for the sins of the father. When the wheel stops all these clowns on the BLM and the forced masks etc train are gonna suffer. The day some illiterate man child football player thinks his opinion is worth me listening too will never come, just like listening to kids tell you all about it will be a long time coming. I hope people are beginning to see that you are in this on your own, you have to look out for yourself and there is no such thing as society. The clowns forcing you to be part of their bullshit just because other clowns voted in their election is the real problem. I don’t need no ones help for anything, every. I can’t imagine the fear in other peoples minds who they realise how they are tied to this crap because they’ve lived their life as giant babies sucking the tit of government.

105323 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1011 of 1520 🔗

..whilst Gary Lineker is free to say what he wants, with no fear of the BBC sacking him..

104645 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 6, #1012 of 1520 🔗

Interesting new info from the US on Fauci stitching up HCQ research.
Sooner or later there will be a class action so beloved by US lawyers.


104656 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #1013 of 1520 🔗

We can only hope.

104655 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1014 of 1520 🔗

I usually ignore her ranting and special interest pleading on behalf of big business, but for once, I agree with Dame Carolyn:


104711 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #1015 of 1520 🔗

and the government will make masks in the office mandatory along with “Ministers are in talks about workplace testing for coronavirus in order to give staff more confidence to return.” thus ensuring that it doesn’t happen.
If they really want to build confidence then they need to get rid of all the stupid rules.

104657 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 6, #1016 of 1520 🔗

It’s beginning to look like schools are the hill on which the (I use the term loosely) ‘Government’ is going to stand. If the vast majority don’t open, then it’s tantamount to them admitting they can’t govern any longer. Be interesting to see where we go from there. Conceding masks before they have to makes it more black & white. Go back, no more excuses. Little point in making other plans for the future until this is settled. It’s a rod they’ve made for their own back. Labour are nowhere and shit scared they may have to back the unions and lose even more support. Not a place I’d want to make a last stand, but I’ve seen worse.

104676 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #1017 of 1520 🔗

Oh, I don’t know… letting public schools crumble seems like the sort of thing that might have some hidden benefits:


104699 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to RyanM, 1, #1018 of 1520 🔗

When you say ‘public’ …..

104741 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to James Leary #KBF, #1019 of 1520 🔗

You’re obviously American lol!

104744 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to OKUK, #1020 of 1520 🔗

I meant Ryan of course.

104962 ▶▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to OKUK, #1021 of 1520 🔗

No – but my zip code is 89109

104793 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to James Leary #KBF, #1022 of 1520 🔗

Lose more support from whom, the middle class?

104856 ▶▶ Will, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #1023 of 1520 🔗

The teachers will do what teachers do, moan and whine and then get on with it especially as oily Starmer isn’t going to come out and support the unions. Plus, an increasing number of people can see the emperor hasn’t got any clothes on…

106176 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to James Leary #KBF, #1024 of 1520 🔗

Would that be… Grange Hill ? But yes, agreed. It could be “Zammo!” for them as a result of this.

104662 smurfs, replying to smurfs, 12, #1025 of 1520 🔗

Tucker Carlson on fire a couple of days ago….

Watch the segment When do we get our country back? [starts at about 13:45]

I few extracts…

Finding a vaccine is not the goal. Reordering society is the goal.

“We will not, we cannot go back to the way things were.” (WHO Director General)

 Covid 19 is not a public health crisis but is really about global warming.

I think we are starting to see where this scamdemic is headed now.

104674 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to smurfs, 4, #1026 of 1520 🔗

Oh, let them go full throttle down that road! The backlash will be refreshing.

104692 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to smurfs, 2, #1027 of 1520 🔗

Tucker is good and gets even better as the going gets even tougher. Must say however that he doesn’t look or sound at all well. Looks to me like he has had the virus, and a fairly bad bout of it.

104732 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to OKUK, 2, #1028 of 1520 🔗

I believe he has been under a lot of stress. His address was made public so that protestors could intimidate his family, also his lead scriptwriter was forced to resign. He is a rare voice of sanity in the US media, which is truly dreadful.

104740 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Darryl, 2, #1029 of 1520 🔗

Indeed – could be that. The Left recognise no rules of battle. The bigger the enemy the less they care for ethics. They attacked Trump’s youngest son for bei.ng autistic. They called for Trump’s assassination. They called Trump’s wife a whore. They called Bill Clinton’s female accusers liars and fantasists. They called Biden’s female accuser a liar.

People need to recognise how the Left, how the BBC , how all the liars operate.

104796 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to OKUK, #1030 of 1520 🔗

Probably stress. I’m sure he has received death threats. The usual stuff. Charlie Chaplin did when he returned to the U.S. to receive an honorary Oscar.

104794 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to smurfs, 1, #1031 of 1520 🔗

Tedros the Executioner. I told you already, Global Public Health is a virus that needs vaccinating, not us.

104671 Jenny, replying to Jenny, 14, #1032 of 1520 🔗

Bit depressed tonight. Son off on holiday with his dad next week so all alone and then he’ll be off back to boarding school soon afterwards so still all alone. Stuck working from home with office not yet open. Can’t exactly socialise when even sensible friends appear to be taking this nonsense seriously. Scared this will never end. Feel like a coward for not doing enough, speaking out enough etc. because scared of consequences at work, with friends etc. Oh well – there’s the cats and their conversation is probably of the same quality as that of most people.

104687 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jenny, 4, #1033 of 1520 🔗

There is certainly wisdom in the natural life force of animals which we can benefit from.

104696 ▶▶ Tommo, replying to Jenny, 7, #1034 of 1520 🔗

You should invite a friend out for a drink or bite to eat. You may find one of your friend’s are a bit more relaxed than you think. A lot of people not sure how to behave, so pretending to be more concerned and worried than they are. An invite to the old normal (bar / cafe) may be quite appealing.

104710 ▶▶▶ Jenny, replying to Tommo, 1, #1035 of 1520 🔗

Thanks – I will try that!

104852 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tommo, 1, #1036 of 1520 🔗

I was very surprised on a trip back to my home village that everyone was extremely relaxed about the panic. I had expected it to be bed wetter central but it was the exact opposite.

104698 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Jenny, 6, #1037 of 1520 🔗

Tell your boss the company keeping you away from your contracted place of work MAY be affecting your wellbeing. You are seeking advice, and will get back to him. Ball in their court.

104709 ▶▶▶ Jenny, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #1038 of 1520 🔗

Thanks! I actually think he would be sympathetic!

104760 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Jenny, 2, #1039 of 1520 🔗

We all feel helpless. I, too, don’t feel like I’m doing enough but I don’t know exactly what to do. I agree that checking with friends is a good idea — lots of people are loosening up and if you can find one friend to come over or meet up with it would be a real boost, even if it’s outdoors and “distanced.” Even my craziest friend will see people outdoors (though her restrictions are too much for me personally). And often people will meet up under certain conditions, and then in the moment they let it drop and act “normally.” I’ve got a dog and he’s great to have around during all of this! Thankfully hubby is on the same page (though he has little tolerance for talking about it). I hope you are able to find someone to socialize with while you’re alone. Good luck!

104867 ▶▶▶ Jenny, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #1040 of 1520 🔗

Thank you

104797 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jenny, 1, #1041 of 1520 🔗

Better conversation most likely.

104870 ▶▶▶ Jenny, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1042 of 1520 🔗

They certainly know to keep quiet when they don’t know what they are talking about.

104798 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jenny, 1, #1043 of 1520 🔗

They don’t read newspapers or watch Sky, ITV or the BBC.

104824 ▶▶ annie, replying to Jenny, 3, #1044 of 1520 🔗

It will end.
Don’t feed it by sinking into gloom.
Stroke the cats, it’s therapeutic.

104841 ▶▶ Coronamoana, replying to Jenny, 5, #1045 of 1520 🔗

Contact your friends. You might be surprised at their response. I thought mine would turn against me for even suggesting a coffee; however, they’ve all been enthusiastic and relieved. A lot of people are appearing to go along with things and hiding their true feelings for fear of disapproval.

104932 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Jenny, 1, #1046 of 1520 🔗

Go out with your friends but don’t engage with their feardemic religion jibber jabber. But enjoy watching them contradict their ‘beliefs’ by acting normally as a group of friends, and laugh inwardly. Many people enjoy the covid fuss, to them it makes a boring existance a little more interesting.

104979 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, #1047 of 1520 🔗

ooops, the final sentence could be misinterpreted – I was refering to the bedwetters, specifically my mates other half and her friends in the school gate gang

105296 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Major Panic, #1048 of 1520 🔗

This is so true, as many survivors of wars, going from some jobless situation and depression said they had a great time in the war, something happened.

104961 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Jenny, #1049 of 1520 🔗

Hang in there Jenny, you might be on your own but you are most definitely not alone. Best Wishes, Arnie.

104967 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Jenny, 2, #1050 of 1520 🔗

Jenny, I was just chatting with my neighbour, as we got the bins in. We have ‘local restrictions’ here (North West). We were stood on the pavement at the boundary of his drive. I moved my foot three inches to the left onto his drive and said, “Look, I’m breaking the law now”.
That is how stupid it all is. That’s how stupid *they* are.

104680 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #1051 of 1520 🔗

I flew into Greece today with five passenger locator forms, only three of which were checked. And by checked, I mean someone looked at my phone while I showed them a QR code which wasn’t scanned.

Fucking doddle going abroad, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

104686 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1052 of 1520 🔗

My OH had no problems going to and returning from Lithuania.

104690 NonCompliant, replying to NonCompliant, 3, #1053 of 1520 🔗

Just read a piece in the FT titled Inside Westminster’s coronavirus blame game.
It’s written by a lockdown enthusiast and it’s all we locked down too late stuff.


“But the list of silent omissions was longer: the fiasco over testing, the shortage of protective equipment, the tide of death surging through care homes and — crucially — the failure to lock down the country more quickly.”

104694 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to NonCompliant, 5, #1054 of 1520 🔗

Globalist media outlet spews globalist propaganda- shock horror! Lol

104840 ▶▶ Will, replying to NonCompliant, 1, #1055 of 1520 🔗

Has anyone else noticed that the findings of Professor Simon Wood, relating to the peak of infections occurring a week before lockdown, seem to have disappeared into the ether? There were suggestions at the time the peak might have been even earlier. Whatever, the idea a virgin test and trace system could have tracked 1300 separate genomes of the virus is fanciful in the extreme.

104872 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to NonCompliant, 2, #1056 of 1520 🔗

I’m not sure if anyone reads the FT comments but I’ve noticed something strange – rather than becoming more sceptical as this farce has dragged in, they’ve become more bed-wetting. Back in April, many more comments railed against the lockdown, how it was doing more harm than good and how it was destroying the economy (which is linked to people’s wellbeing), but now everyone on the FT comment boards is supporting masks and against kids going back to school and just generally swallowing the BS fear narrative. Sad really

104693 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 5, #1057 of 1520 🔗

Vernon Coleman is on form today:

Here is Vernon

105114 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Dave #KBF, #1058 of 1520 🔗

Love Vernon. Am not a crazy conspiracy theorist but I am coming around to the view that there is no other explanation for the way governments of the world have reacted to a non-deadly virus and have managed to brainwash the majority of the global population to believe it is going to kill them if we don’t all follow the stupid, nonsensical rules.

104700 richard riewer, 2, #1059 of 1520 🔗

That masked sheep logo would be funny to wear at Saturday’s rally. A few slits for the eyes, two holes for the nostrils and ? for the mouth.

104702 NickR, replying to NickR, 6, #1060 of 1520 🔗

Have you ever visited Johannesburg? Essentially, when the city got too bad the entire business district moved 20 miles up the road to Santon & left Joburg to the criminals, drug dealers & their long suffering clients. It doesn’t take much imagination to see it happening to our cities within a year.

104719 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to NickR, 2, #1061 of 1520 🔗

A lesson indeed…maybe in London you could see a ring of such centres develop around the M25 so when people decide they need occasional face to face contact they travel round the M25. Meanwhile the centre rots.

PS It’s always struck me how the globalist elite are quite happy with the South African set up: horrendously corrupt government spouting PC bollox, impoverished and oppressed masses, islands of unbelievable luxury existing behind razor wire and endless opportunities for virtue signalling about climate change, wildlife, water and race equality.

104800 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to OKUK, -1, #1062 of 1520 🔗

What a disappointment South Africa is. Still a lot of lingering Apartheid going on.

104725 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to NickR, #1063 of 1520 🔗

Rosebank to Sandton Sun?

104763 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to NickR, 6, #1064 of 1520 🔗

Have you been to our inner cities recently.its happening already.The difference with our city centres is that they are deserted,no one lives there and without the commuters and tourists they are basically dead.

104922 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1065 of 1520 🔗

Its been like that ages ago – Kensington & Chelsea is perhaps the fastest growing ghost borough and even where Keir Starmer is MP for is pretty much a ghost constituency – who the heck votes there given I barely see anyone who lives there.

104963 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #1066 of 1520 🔗

Owned by rich Arabs,Chinese,Russians etc.Thats the reason labour won the seat before.no one to vote in one of the richest real estate areas in the world.That process has been on going as the old money English cash in on property prices and move away.Whats happening in the west end and city of London is a new thing totally related to Covid.

104817 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NickR, 1, #1067 of 1520 🔗

It’s already well underway in NYC, being hollowed out by what they choose to call ‘middle-class flight’.

104704 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 18, #1068 of 1520 🔗

I think we all deserve a gold star, a big slap on the back and a personal commendation from Her Maj for not giving up, not digging a large hole and not climbing in, while asking some passer-by to finish off the job.

Instead we persevere and resist. We resist mentally and we resist practically. We are the few but – phew!-we don’t give up, do we?

104712 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to OKUK, 4, #1069 of 1520 🔗

Not alway easy, as much as we want to be solid I think we all have days where it feels endless.

104767 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #1070 of 1520 🔗

True – which is why efficient armies remove their troops from the front-line from time to time. Beer/garden/footie time is essential.

104715 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to OKUK, 2, #1071 of 1520 🔗

Her Majesty has been very quiet recently. Any idea where she is currently residing? Buckingham Palace is being decommissioned the last I heard.

104735 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Richard O, 3, #1072 of 1520 🔗

Wherever she is, she’ll be on the homeopathy, same as her mother who lived to 101. Only now she’s not allowed to mention it. Same with Prince Charles – much more circumspect about such things these days . Homeopathy is hugely disapproved of by the globalist vax-maniac billionaires.

104911 ▶▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to OKUK, 1, #1073 of 1520 🔗

Yes you are right and despite the sceptics re: Homeopathy I can confirm that it has helped many with the symptoms of this virus.It has an excellent track record for viral illnesses. But of course any mention is shouted down, censored, as it does make make any money for Big Pharma.

105306 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, #1074 of 1520 🔗

She was in Windsor, but I believe she is now at Balmoral and seeing her family in small groups for picnics – I can’t remember where I read that though…
I read too that they were laying off staff at Buckingham Palace, but whether temporarily or permanently I do not know. If permanently, you have to wonder what she knows that we do not…

104823 ▶▶ annie, replying to OKUK, 1, #1075 of 1520 🔗

It isn’t us who are in a hole and still digging.It’s our Fascust oppressors.
I’m in favour if us filling in the hole and stamping it well down.

104836 ▶▶ Nicky, replying to OKUK, #1076 of 1520 🔗


104855 ▶▶ Sikboy, replying to OKUK, 2, #1077 of 1520 🔗

We don’t, I also have to say this website has been an island of calm. Some days the endless dross being piped out my the obedient masses has really got on top of me.

104957 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to OKUK, #1078 of 1520 🔗

Not giving up any time soon OKUK, see you in the concentration camps. I’ll have a yellow star on my prison uniform so that you can recognise me…
Still not giving up though.

104707 richard riewer, #1079 of 1520 🔗
104708 Liam, 11, #1080 of 1520 🔗

I haven’t seen this level of enthusiasm for masks since Mississippi in the 1950s. The Ku Klux Karen.

104718 ColoradoGirl, replying to ColoradoGirl, 8, #1081 of 1520 🔗

I am a teacher in Colorado. We started back with a hybrid model last week I have so many stories I could tell, but I leave you with this: tomorrow we are conducting a socially distanced fire drill. That’s right—everyone masked and six feet apart.

104953 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to ColoradoGirl, #1082 of 1520 🔗

Monica, years ago I would have laughed myself breathless watching a Monty Python sketch of that… Nowadays I assume the same mouth position of the inflatable sex dolls and just say ‘oh’…

104723 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #1083 of 1520 🔗


Project fear is furious over CDC recommendation that asymptomatic persons should not be tested.  Even though Fauci himself stated that never in the history of epidemic respiratory diseases has there been an epidemic driven by asymptomatic spread. But they need cases(and longterm illness) to keep it going. Eric Topol, one of the Arch Fear Monger,uses the above article describing Diamond Princess as an example of asymptomatic spread by modelling. When you hear modelling better to run away.

104948 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1084 of 1520 🔗

Fauci was in charge of the research at the Wuhan laboratory that quite possibly ‘accidentally’ released the Covid19 virus. Just a coincidence? Not on your nelly!

105309 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to swedenborg, #1085 of 1520 🔗

One wonders why the CDC have come out with this recommendation just now?

104724 NonCompliant, 1, #1086 of 1520 🔗

Don’t know if it was verified that the identity of the Teacher was on the money but she ticked all the same boxes that no doubts most of us on here have done already.


104737 JimByJovi, replying to JimByJovi, 1, #1087 of 1520 🔗

Where’s the man with the megaphone?

104743 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to JimByJovi, #1088 of 1520 🔗

Steve “Paid by Soros” Nutjob?

104748 ▶▶▶ JimByJovi, replying to OKUK, 1, #1089 of 1520 🔗

Could be. At least Piggy would be exempt by virtue of his ass-mar.

104815 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JimByJovi, #1090 of 1520 🔗

I certainly am, not that my ass-mar bothers me unduly.

104822 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 3, #1091 of 1520 🔗

From what UCL, was reported as mandating yesterday, students with ass-maar will have to wear gob nappies anyway and if they choke to desth, tough. Maybe Piggy was lucky to be tossed over a cliff while he was still a human being.

104910 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 1, #1092 of 1520 🔗

So it’s ok for the grown ups to be mask exempt but not the children?
‘I’d like to help you son but you’re too young to vote’.

Piggy got killed when a boulder fell on his head, pushed by the ‘scared of the imaginary monster’ gang.

104848 ▶▶ Fiat, replying to JimByJovi, #1093 of 1520 🔗

Indeed. Less, “Stop Brexit”, more “Stop Lockdown!”

104759 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 21, #1094 of 1520 🔗

I think the sceptics have won…the exact point at which a war turns is not always apparent but I feel things have turned. Yes the Lockdownists can still win lots of battles but every battle drains them of strength and they gain very little ground. You have to compare the Lockdownists’ promises to what they have achieved . They told the people lockdowns and masks were the best, the only way for you to protect your family and to protect your country . People now see countries like NZ and Spain tied down while countries like Sweden and Brazil are doing well. Meanwhile as millions of people lose their jobs and are told why, the 2+2 = 4 sum will become apparent to them and also to their families and their wider circle of acquaintances.

104765 ▶▶ JimByJovi, replying to OKUK, 10, #1095 of 1520 🔗

It does, at least, seem like “the end of the beginning” at the very least. The Covid Swerve seems all but a thing of the past. The twitterati, even maybe elements of the HYS mob seem to be sounding a skeptical note. We can but hope.

104816 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to OKUK, 12, #1096 of 1520 🔗

Yes the ship is slowly turning.
Previously when having a Covid conversation with a relative stranger I would be met with a lot of butwhataboutery.
Not so much these days, I get more “do you think that’s true?” in a hopeful tone of voice before I outline another reason why covid/lockdown is all rubbish.
I can’t remember the last time anybody told me I am wrong (about covid/lockdown) and nobody has ever called me a liar.

104853 ▶▶▶ Sikboy, replying to karenovirus, 7, #1097 of 1520 🔗

I’ve experienced a very similar shift myself, I think pride has a lot to do with it. People don’t want to admit they’ve been duped.

104821 ▶▶ annie, replying to OKUK, 10, #1098 of 1520 🔗

I hope you’re right, but the vat of stupidity often seems bottomless.

104880 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to OKUK, 3, #1099 of 1520 🔗

Winter is coming. Someone will cough. There may be some snot.

There will be at least one more spasm, and it could be spun out till Spring. Indeed, from the start of lockdown, it seemed like Spring 2021 would be the first real pinch point for them, so long as measures and panic could be spun out through the Summer – as has been achieved.

104906 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ovis, 1, #1100 of 1520 🔗

I have been in no doubt that when the imaginary 2nd wave failed to materialize in may that they would wait for the appearance of normal winter flu and label it Second Wave.

104943 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Ovis, 1, #1101 of 1520 🔗

Agenda 21 is a thrilling read (If you’re a sadistic psychopath…). Coming to all of us in 2021. Deep breath and over the top & at ’em!

104894 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to OKUK, 2, #1102 of 1520 🔗

I know what you’re saying but if the MSM all but avoid reporting any positive facts and figures for those two countries or on the contrary just pretned they’re basket cases, which they do seem to have been doing, then not enough people will know to make a difference.

104965 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to OKUK, 4, #1103 of 1520 🔗

It started to turn a bit ago, as sceptical comments began appearing in comments sections. Now we’re getting sceptical articles, and pro-lockdowners are falling into a minority among the comments.

This site, attracting more than a thousand comments each day. Used to take two or even three days for that to happen. It’s now approaching 1500 comments a day.

Pro-lockdown comments on social media are growing ever more hysterical and defensive, and are clearly hysterical and defensive. Just look at how extreme they are becoming, and more importantly, being seen to be extreme.

Protests springing up everywhere. Could be better and larger, but these things take time.

Tide is well and truly turning.

104771 BobT, replying to BobT, 17, #1104 of 1520 🔗

Hurricane Laura is about to come ashore at the Lousiana / Texas border as a Cat4 or 5 with a 15 foot storm surge. There is a mandatory evacuation of the area but guess what? The shelters are turning people away when 25% full because of social distancing and the 50 seat evacuation buses are only allowing 15 people on board……..

104779 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to BobT, 17, #1105 of 1520 🔗

For real??? So drowning has a 100% death rate and Covid has a 99+% survival rate. Seems like a pretty easy calculation to me. Public health at its finest!

104809 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to BobT, 11, #1107 of 1520 🔗

The politicians don’t even have the courage to drop the Covid crap in the face of a Cat4/5 hurricane. Good thing all those hotel rooms are empty because there are no tourists, but too bad the buses were running mostly empty due to Covid. It would be rational to be far more afraid of drowning, but rationality has left the building.

104916 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #1108 of 1520 🔗

If you have the choice between breaking social distancing rules to get on a bus, or obeying social distancing rules to stay behind and drown, we all know what would happen.

I’ve seen the human survival instinct in action. It’s terrifying and wondrous in equal measure.

105059 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Norma McNormalface, replying to Nick Rose, #1109 of 1520 🔗

“There are no vegetarians in famine…” (although these days, since we are now “living in a Black Mirror episode”, who knows?)

104795 ▶▶▶ BobT, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 10, #1110 of 1520 🔗

Irony is no more.
There is a serious issue and we can, or should, learn from this.
Every hurricane season the US media go overboard and dramatise the forecast hurricane events spreading fear amongst their people. The politicians react and have in the past imposed evacuation orders in areas way larger than needed and many people learned that there was actually no need to evacuate.. (Actually there have always been collateral deaths from the evacuations themselves). The result is that there are now many people staying home, in harms way, because the media and politicians have cried wolf too many times.
Same with the overboard reaction to this virus. If a really bad virus which can kill many millions comes along now, it will be impossible to convince people how bad it really is.

104969 ▶▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to BobT, 3, #1111 of 1520 🔗

And not just in the US. My brother witnessed a traffic accident a few days ago in SW Wales. Stopped, got Out of his car and checked the passengers- a middle aged man who seemed shocked and dazed and possibly with a head injury But walking , his mother ( in her eighties) more traumatised but equally able to get out of the car. My brother phoned for an ambulance and guess what the first question was ‘Does anyone have CoVid?’ My brother was so surprised he found it difficult not to quip’ They’ve got limbs hanging off but let me get out my home testing kit and test them first’ . In reality of course he replied’ How the hell should I know ? ..but you’ve got people here in their eighties having suffered a nasty accident , so please just send an ambulance’. Unbelievable .. yet sadly now it is.

104988 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Telpin, #1112 of 1520 🔗

I suppose the health bureaucracy minions are used to obeying stupid orders just because, but you’d think some of them would have started to rebel on the most egregious covid nonsense by now, and just “overlook” them.

104854 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 5, #1113 of 1520 🔗

Public Health = brutality.
That’s their new normal.

104814 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BobT, 6, #1114 of 1520 🔗

How we mocked Saudi Arabia for not allowing first responders to rescue girls from a burning school because the girls would have been immodestly dressed. Several of them died and others severely injured.

104936 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BobT, #1115 of 1520 🔗

What Cat 4/5 hurricane:


World wind map showing wind speeds of maybe 140 km/hr which is not that high for a hurricane.

104937 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, #1116 of 1520 🔗

Even wind speeds up to 160 km/hr makes it a low 2.

104801 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 4, #1117 of 1520 🔗

Listening to the Stanley Cup Playoffs on NBC in the U.S. Some young fellow (black?) was shot to death by police somewhere in the U.S.A. so some of the major sports leagues, Baseball and Basketball decided to cancel their games in solidarity. Not hockey, though. Then NBC did a big Virtue Signalling spiel before their mandatory commercial break. There are 330 million people in the U.S.A. They didn’t give any details about the incident, they just acted like it was another reason to take a knee and kiss BlackLivesMatter’s ass. And vote for Biden in November, most likely.

104846 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to richard riewer, 7, #1118 of 1520 🔗

Yeah… Guy is a rapist who fights with the police, breaks free, reaches into his car and gets shot. And these players feel the need to “stand in solidarity” just because he’s black? It’s as racist as anything they’re complaining of. The NBA should crumble, and good riddance.

104982 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RyanM, #1119 of 1520 🔗

Guy is a rapist

Saw the story when the usual thugs started rioting and thought I’d wait to see what kind of “victim” was involved, assuming it was likely as usual he wouldn’t urn out to be one of society’s finest.

Has more info come out now? Initial story said he was “accused of sexual assault and domestic violence”, iirc, but in modern reality that’s a long, long way from even being guilty of those things, let alone of actual rape.

In the George Floyd case we had an actual conviction for armed robbery, and a history of violent thuggery and drug abuse. He was obviously a lowlife thug. Anything like that in this case?

104803 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1120 of 1520 🔗

Anyone petrified about the A99 bill in New York for Covid detention centres for enforced vax?

Surely they will do it everywhere?

Doesn’t it apply to kids?


104806 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Country Mumkin, 19, #1121 of 1520 🔗

Bloody terrifying. As soon as they trotted out the face masks and pretended we need to wear them to “protect others” I knew we weren’t too far off from being forced to take the vaccine to “protect others.” That’s why I have no patience for the “it’s just a piece of cloth” crowd — because it’s not just a piece of cloth, it’s the first step toward medical tyranny. I’m sure people thought I was being hyperbolic early on, but I could see where this was all headed.

104813 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 4, #1122 of 1520 🔗

I posted earlier about Typhoid Mary, 1900s NY, asymptomatic typhoid carrier who died after 26 years compulsory isolation.

104847 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1123 of 1520 🔗

I can’t get my head round it at all. Any New Yorkers on here or Americans? What are yours and your family or friends view of this?

104859 ▶▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, #1124 of 1520 🔗

Just found this which makes me feel a bit better. It’s a Pre-covid bill that’s gets shelved regularly. Also links in this doc very useful too.

104819 ▶▶ annie, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1125 of 1520 🔗

Gigantic violation if human rights.

104863 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to wendyk, 13, #1127 of 1520 🔗

I saw this article shared on Arsebook by the Spectator and some of the comments were pretty astonishing and unfortunately rather pro-mask. One went on about how we have ‘left a sheltered life since the war’ and that kids must wear masks to ‘prevent a second wave’ until ‘a vaccine is available’.

Indeed, we have lived a sheltered life since the war – all those brave people who fought to the death for the freedoms we enjoyed up to 23rd March 2020 must be spinning in their graves at how bloody soft everyone has become, so soft that they cower hysterically at a virus with a 99.9% survival rate and demand draconian measures to ‘stop’ it!!

104877 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Poppy, 6, #1128 of 1520 🔗

And you need to be already at deaths door to squeeze into the remaining 0.01% that don’t survive.

104811 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 12, #1129 of 1520 🔗

Is it true that Bill Gates declared himself a health expert during an interview? If he did he should, at the very least, be arrested for fraud. Dilettantes should not be given free rein in matters of medicine or health.

105062 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1130 of 1520 🔗

Sounds a bit too similar to big pharma’s line against alternative methods, Richard.

(Gates himself, of course, should be in prison).

104879 ▶▶ Sue, replying to wendyk, 8, #1132 of 1520 🔗

i hope the germans continue with their protest – they certainly seemed to have a lot of support at the last one. Very worrying to allow other protests eg BLM but not this as it challenges the official narrative. And the media branding any protest as far-right etc is so wrong as we know on this website which has folks from all political directions which is welcomed.

104898 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sue, 4, #1133 of 1520 🔗

“Far-right” is a convenient label they also like to aim at service veterans who react to certain events, like BLM vandalism.

104978 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1134 of 1520 🔗

Just another smear term. But society has moved so far to the left in my lifetime that perfectly reasonable attitudes that were mainstream in my youth are now classed as “far right” and other such smear terms, in order to keep them demonised and excluded from the “acceptable” political range.

105006 ▶▶▶ hat man, replying to Sue, 2, #1135 of 1520 🔗

Is anyone surprised – the ‘counter-protests’ against the planned freedom demonstration will be allowed to take place:
(In German)
Fancy that!

104820 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 13, #1136 of 1520 🔗

There is still so much we do not even begin to understand, but one thing has been clear for months: this virus is similar to other viruses we have lived with for generations. And there is very little evidence to support the benefits of the lockdown measures.

The case for returning to normal life is simple: the social, economic and public health costs of not doing so are far greater. With the Covid hospital cases in Britain now running at 96 per cent below their peak, we can reasonably ask whether the overall situation might not be as bleak as we first feared and whether now is the time to get the country moving again.

Dr John Lee
Dr John Lee is a former professor of pathology and NHS consultant pathologist.

104835 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #1137 of 1520 🔗

Reasonably ask?
Screen it from the rooftops!

104844 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #1138 of 1520 🔗

7am BBC News referring to year on year declining uptake of the flu vaccine and what might happen to the NHS in the event of
“a huge upsurge in cases of Coronovirus cases”.
Still spreading the fear.

104850 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to karenovirus, #1139 of 1520 🔗

Has the flu jab been increasing in efficacy year on year?

104876 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, #1140 of 1520 🔗

I have no idea, clearly trust in it has not,
My point was the use of the word ‘huge’ which is emotive rather than neutral.

104895 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 2, #1141 of 1520 🔗

They picked the wrong one in 2017. Plus, people also know that if you have the vaccine you can still catch flu. And if you have the vaccine, you can develop flu from that too.

104915 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #1142 of 1520 🔗

Published in today’s Spectator – so the comment is bang up to date.

104833 karenovirus, 4, #1143 of 1520 🔗

(ed. This should have been on reply to Aletheas opening post below, most voted today, dunno how it landed here.)

Welcome aboard, I don’t share your politics either but that doesn’t matter.
I have a Labour MP who is so highly thought of locally that I have never voted against him (in part because the Tories never bother to tell me who their candidate is).
However he has been conspicuous by his absence from the media since March and I find that disappointing. As here covid/lockdown should be beyond party politics.

104834 annie, replying to annie, 23, #1144 of 1520 🔗

Does anybody else know a little play by Jules Romains, called Knock ? It’s about a pseudo-doctor who easily persuades every single person in his practice area that they are ill, and so establishes a totalitarian medical dystopia.
It was intended as a general warning against totalitarianism, but now it’s looking like the specific and literal truth.

104905 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to annie, 2, #1145 of 1520 🔗

Could be a sell out, if there are any theatres left.

104839 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 18, #1146 of 1520 🔗

I keep my circle small. This is a calculated choice. There are no lockdownistas in my circle. There are some, however, on the periphery. They’ve been kept on the outside and I’ll continue to keep them there. I have zero tolerance for people who can’t or won’t think for themselves.

Yes, this is entirely self-serving on my part. Sue me.

What this has meant is that I haven’t had any contact with people who’ve enjoyed the lockdown or who feel it should continue.

That changed yesterday.

I had occasion to have a brief conversation with someone who has absolutely loved lockdown.

They’d taken voluntary redundancy in late January (offered a very nice settlement, thank you very much) and promptly gone on a few long, sunny holidays. On their return, lockdown was announced.

In their own words, they haven’t had the financial need to find work, and even though they half-heartedly conceded that they feel guilty enjoying lockdown now that people have lost their jobs, they’ve thoroughly enjoyed it. They got the chance to enjoy the garden. And they were thrilled when golf opened up.

This person was tanned and relaxed. They were now casually applying for other jobs, but they weren’t too fussed what happened with them.

Think of your average stressed, hard-working-but-now-furloughed British working class person. This lockdownista was the polar opposite.

Their position would have been “fine” in April or May. But as we approach September and the last month of furlough, I believe people with their mindset will rapidly become a minority.

104842 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark H, 5, #1147 of 1520 🔗

Sounds like your chap owes his good fortune to events before lockdown.
There are plenty of others who have done very nicely out of lockdowns implementation.

104883 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to karenovirus, 12, #1148 of 1520 🔗

As a family we have not been hit financially but I still know with every fibre in my body that this shite show is bloody wrong.

104923 ▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to KBuchanan, 2, #1149 of 1520 🔗

We’ve also been very fortunate and this hasn’t affected us one bit, but I’m furious with this shit show of a non-government because I know it’s affecting so many who have put their everything into small businesses or who have found themselves made redundant.

104843 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Mark H, 2, #1150 of 1520 🔗

Is this one person or multiple people? 😉

104919 ▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to RyanM, 1, #1151 of 1520 🔗

One person.

104892 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mark H, 2, #1152 of 1520 🔗

Your acquaintance needs to be careful. If the shitshow continues, people like him will become easy targets for the dispossessed and hungry.

104918 ▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1153 of 1520 🔗

Thankfully not an acquaintance, just a randomer I encountered.

104960 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mark H, 3, #1154 of 1520 🔗

Agree. As people especially the lockdownistas find that they have been hit in the pocket or stomach or both . Not to mention find themselves or someone they know (family or friend) in a pickle because of delayed medical treatments, suicide, victim of abuse or addiction.

The above mentioned will realise they’ve been had and hopefully do a U turn.

105022 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #1155 of 1520 🔗

I don’t think anyone who has not already made such a U turn is capable of doing so. Most have been programmed to believe all our problems are the result of not locking down earlier and harder and those people who dont ware masks and follow the fascists orders to the letter.

104857 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #1156 of 1520 🔗

My HERO is DR SIMONE GOLD – and has been since the Washington White Coat Presentation on the steps of the Capitol.

Americas Frontline Doctors White Paper should be required reading:

and so should this:

104862 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to PastImperfect, 8, #1157 of 1520 🔗

Also, Gates’ hero Rockefeller bought the media, revolutionised medicine to make petroleum based pharma products, and created his own medical training, all under the guise of philanthropy. He also destroyed herbal and diet based health remedies calling it quackery. There was no internet to expose Rockerfeller. And Gates has just followed his model thinking nobody questions it. I saw a brilliant interview with Gates the other day saying “the people just want simple explanations for things”; he honestly thinks we are all inferior idiots.

104896 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1158 of 1520 🔗

The derivatives of the oil production became big pharma. those oil philanthropists bequeathed to universities sometimes in exchange for positions within universities. Yes homeopathic natural medicine was activitely pushed out of learning.

See How and Why Big Oil Conquered the World. Corbett Report.

105090 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Basics, 4, #1159 of 1520 🔗

It is only as a result of this lockdown that I’ve actually started to seriously research what’s going on. Mainstream media cannot be trusted anymore. I’m grateful that I’ve had a chance to realised that.

Yes I’ve looked at a bit of Corbett Report, very interesting indeed.

I think this situation is opening people up (and will continue to do so albeit in time), to how heavily we are influenced by propoganda.

104907 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1160 of 1520 🔗

And remember, right into the late 1930s (at least) they were sterilising poor (in more than one sense) young women in America – “Land of the Free”

104860 Biker, replying to Biker, 8, #1161 of 1520 🔗

Still under occupation are we? Oh good, maybe tomorrow i’ll wanna settle down but till tomorrow i’ll just keep moving on.

104885 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Biker, 4, #1162 of 1520 🔗

Loved the Littlest Hobo. Could be a sensible life plan now.

104904 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1163 of 1520 🔗

I’m still that guy but my wheels have been going round the same old streets for too long now. I’ve went out my mind with the repetition. My own fault, had kids, gotta do the right thing by them. The time is close though and i’ll be back on the road again. Gonna ride my bike into the sun and find me some wilderness to lose myself in

104861 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 15, #1164 of 1520 🔗


“People on low incomes who test positive for Covid-19 will be paid £132 for their 10-day isolation period, while people who have come into contact with them will receive £182 for 14 days of isolation. The scheme will, for now, only apply to people living in areas with local lockdown restrictions”.

WTAF! Bribe them and keep them docile. I probably would have thought this was reasonable and fair back in March/April before we knew we had a casedemic but now it can only be cynical manipulation. Is there any hope that the return of parliament and the 1922 committee might put the brakes on the lunacy?

104873 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #1165 of 1520 🔗

They can stick their 13 quid a day where the sun don’t shine. I’ll do as I want

104874 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Charlie Blue, 9, #1166 of 1520 🔗

£13.20 per day for being rendered unable to work by a lockdown we all know to be ludicrous is hardly generous. Wouldn’t even keep me in fags not to mention life’s little extras.

104882 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to karenovirus, 6, #1167 of 1520 🔗

£15.70 for 30 grams of Drum, now that’s a crime

105793 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Biker, #1168 of 1520 🔗

I usually go to central or eastern Europe (where they don`t spend euros – as I refuse to) and stock up for a year, thus making the short break almost free. Maybe not this year though. Annoyingly.

104913 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to karenovirus, 4, #1169 of 1520 🔗

I don’t think the sum of money is relevant. What concerns me is that it’s another measure signalling ongoing government commitment to maintaining their fantasy. And it is effective if the masses are moaning that they too want free money, or that the payments should be more generous and extended to everyone, rather than screaming until they are hoarse that we demand our freedoms back.

104908 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1170 of 1520 🔗

Shut The Pubs Burnham says “We need to bankrupt the governmnent, so that my lot can get a turn”.

Well, he didn’t say that exactly, it was more like “Not enough”, but you get the picture.

104865 annie, replying to annie, 28, #1171 of 1520 🔗

A Lyric, To Be Inserted In All School Poetry Books
By Order.

Face nappies are crappy
Face nappies don’t work.
If you wear a face nappy
It proves you’re a jerk.

If you wear a face nappy
You’re an effing disgrace.
What is it that’s made you
So ashamed of your face?

By Annie in Form 2B.

104868 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 4, #1172 of 1520 🔗

In Detention for Sedition

104897 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1173 of 1520 🔗


104878 ▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, 13, #1174 of 1520 🔗

There’s a voice that keeps on calling me
Down the road, that’s where I’ll always be.
Every stop I make, I make a new friend,
Can’t stay for long, just turn around I’m gone again
Maybe tomorrow, I’ll want to settle down,
Until tomorrow, I’ll just keep moving on.
Down this road that never seems to end,
Where new adventure lies just around the bend.
So if you want to join me for a while,
Just grab your hat, come travel light, that’s hobo style.
Maybe tomorrow I’ll want to settle down,
Until tomorrow, the whole world is my home.
So if you want to join me for a while,
Just grab your hat, come travel light, that’s hobo style
Maybe tomorrow, I’ll want to settle down,
Until tomorrow, the whole world is my home.
There’s a world that’s waiting to unfold,
A brand new tale no-one has ever told.
We’ve journeyed far but you know it wont be long;
We’re almost there, we’ve paid our fare with a hobo song.
Maybe tomorrow, I’ll find what I call home,
Until tomorrow, you know I’m free to roam.
So if you want to join me for a while,
Just grab your hat, we’ll travel light, that’s hobo style.
Maybe tomorrow, I’ll want to settle down,
Until tomorrow, I’ll just keep moving on.
Until tomorrow, the whole world is my home.

Terry Bush

104900 ▶▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Biker, 7, #1175 of 1520 🔗

The Littlest Hobo….that takes me way back in time, mate.

104914 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to thedarkhorse, 6, #1176 of 1520 🔗

Bro in my mind i’m still there. A man like me needs to be on my own but you know shit happens when you live your life drifting down river like a stick. Sometimes you rock up on the shore and it’s alright for a while but like Tumbleweed i’m gonna blow from town to town. My face is familiar in every bar and everyone knows my name but now it’s time to move along. Being lockdown and loaded ain’t no fun but i know just over the horizon i can find what i’m looking for. Though unlike Bono who still hasn’t found what he’s looking for i don’t know what i’m looking for, the day i find it will be a sad day indeed.

104920 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to thedarkhorse, 4, #1177 of 1520 🔗

Always a highlight of my school holidays. Along with climbing trees, building dens and coming home with various minor injuries that were badges of honour. Never been more grateful for my childhood than now. Poor kids

104888 ▶▶ Howie59, replying to annie, 14, #1179 of 1520 🔗

A face nappy may harm you
No one knows the risk
Of putting them on children
It really makes me sick

So unmask yourselves ye children
Be proud to show your skin
Rise up with us the skeptics
And throw them in the bin

Howie 1B

104917 ▶▶ Lili, replying to annie, #1180 of 1520 🔗


104881 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1181 of 1520 🔗

Morning all. I found it ironic last night that while watching a recorded program from History Channel, many of the adverts for other programs were things such as Ancient Aliens, Finding Bigfoot, Roswell and I have seen ones also for Illuminati etc. Are these not all conspiracy theories? A flick through the documentary channels has many such programs daily.

104889 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1182 of 1520 🔗

No offence Offlands but it should be called the Janet and John* History Channel For People With 10 Minute Attention Span.

*apologies for Binaryism.

104899 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1183 of 1520 🔗

Yep, that’s how the History Channel have rolled for the last few years now.

104952 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to PoshPanic, #1184 of 1520 🔗

More than a few years, from my recollection. At least a decade, maybe more.

105079 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to karenovirus, #1185 of 1520 🔗

No offence taken. We were watching for my daughter who is doing a project on WWII and it was on the recommended viewing list.

104887 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 17, #1186 of 1520 🔗

I keep on reading how Alexander “Boris” Johnson admires Churchill. One wonders what Churchill would make of Johnson, the man who makes Ted Heath appear constant and true when it comes to policy.

Though Churchill aimed his words at Ramsay MacDonald, I think I have found the answer.

“I remember when I was a child, being taken to the celebrated Barnam’s Circus, which contained an exhibition of freaks and monstrosities, but the exhibit which I most desired to see was the one described as the Boneless Wonder. My parents judged that that spectacle would be too revolting and demoralising for my youthful eyes, and I have waited fifty years to see the Boneless Wonder, who now sits on the Treasury Bench.”

Strongly suspect the hero-worship would not run both ways.

104893 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1187 of 1520 🔗

The only Churchill related quote he’s worthy of

“Never go to sea on a bogey “

104981 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Nick Rose, #1188 of 1520 🔗

Heath is a fair comparison. Although it was always clear Heath was a wet blanket. Alexander had real fire in those months leading up to getting his election and his original CCP Virus strategy was sensible. Now he is Heath re-incarnated, scared of Union confrontations, backs down every time the media apply some heat, even McDonnell might have been better, yes it is that bad.

105048 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to nottingham69, #1189 of 1520 🔗

Long Covid no doubt.

105165 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to nottingham69, #1190 of 1520 🔗

In the months leading up to the election, he was playing the clown, talking in slogans and avoiding awkward questions.
Now he just hides whenever possible.

104890 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #1191 of 1520 🔗

It would appear that agents of the CCP have infiltered the English Department of Education; and stolen the architectural plans for of all the schools in England

I’m told by someone who knows (no names no pack drill) that this occurred in late December

The virus was briefed before it left China that it could only operate in school corridors and not in classrooms

Our intelligence services have cracked the Chinese codes and know exactly what they are up to

The Dictators decision doesn’t appear that mad after all, does it?

(Tune of the day suggestion ‘ The party’s over’ Shirley Bassey. Only to be sung after the 1st of October)

104902 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1192 of 1520 🔗

Not only that, it was briefed about menstruation *and* purchase ordering!

Charities say many schools and colleges are not aware they can order free period products through a government scheme, amid concerns Covid-19 has left more pupils struggling to access and afford tampons and pads.


104980 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1193 of 1520 🔗

…amid concerns lockdown and the resulting mass unemployment has left more pupils struggling to access and afford tampons and pads.

105018 ▶▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1194 of 1520 🔗

Yeah this slight of hand with language is pissing me off. Everything is ‘due to the pandemic’ or ‘due to the coronavirus’ – when everyone (surely!) knows the consequences are due to the _response_ to the virus. They have no shame.

104942 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1195 of 1520 🔗

”It would appear that agents of the CCP have infiltered the English Department of Education’

the communists took control of our education, at all levels, years ago

104958 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1196 of 1520 🔗

it was the sleepers what dun it

104999 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1197 of 1520 🔗

Are you sure its not the intelligence services that have been infiltrated? Not sure they would ever have had a need to infiltrate the department of education.

104909 Caramel, 3, #1198 of 1520 🔗

Check out the John Anderson channel. He was a politician here in Aus. He recently interviewed Dr Jay Battacharya and interviewed Peter Hitchens a few months ago. And he’s a bit of a silver fox, sotto voce.

104921 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 29, #1199 of 1520 🔗

This is what is really strange. Getting back to normal, going to work, the economy, earning a living, public sport and entertainment, seeing the doctor or the dentist, all seem to have become alien things to the political class (the media more than the politicians).

When we argue that people have no income, businesses are bust, savings are gone, people are not being treated for serious diseases, children are not being educated, there is just a giant collective shrug.

104924 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to WhyNow, 15, #1200 of 1520 🔗

Because they don’t give a FF

104927 ▶▶ matt, replying to WhyNow, 14, #1201 of 1520 🔗

This has occurred to me recently, too. It seems like it’s not even that people are worried about DEADLY VIRUS anymore. The attitude seems to be, well it’s like this because this is the way it is. No point in worrying about it – better just get on with it.

104949 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to matt, 10, #1202 of 1520 🔗

Even when “getting on with it” means mass unemployment, homeless, possible food shortages, little or no medical care….

104951 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to ConstantBees, 9, #1203 of 1520 🔗

Yes, but that’s just the way it is, you see. Shrug.

104995 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to ConstantBees, 11, #1204 of 1520 🔗

I dont think the majority realise their medical care is being withdrawn. Apparently thats just a conspiracy theory. People just cant comprehend that the heros would do that to them particularly after so much worship.

104991 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to matt, #1205 of 1520 🔗

I wish …

105004 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to RickH, 8, #1206 of 1520 🔗

Not sure what you mean? I’m not being upbeat and optimistic “everyone’s moving on and things are getting back to normal”. I’m saying that no one even seems to remember what normal looks like. It’s almost like the surgical removal of absolutely every convenience, of everything that gave joy, of all fun has gone completely unnoticed. It feels like everyone around me has resigned themselves to a new, grey, drone-like drudgery, where literally every activity takes a little bit more effort and is much less rewarding. They walk around with their dead eyes and their resigned expressions and they’ve barely even registered it’s happened to them.

Why are people not demanding to live in a world where it isn’t a struggle to find a reason to get out of bed in the morning?

105013 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to matt, 2, #1207 of 1520 🔗

Habits embed themselves within a very short time frame.

And all people, including sceptics, are easily manipulated by messaging from various media.

105023 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1208 of 1520 🔗

Yes, you can rationalise it. God knows I’m familiar with how we got here. That’s not my point. The world out there is now _miserable_. Everything – quite literally everything – that you could possibly do to take your mind off the sheer, unadulterated misery of it, now comes with its own little helping of added misery. And everyone seems to be just fine with that.

105151 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to matt, #1209 of 1520 🔗

Remember when you were young, you’d shine like the sun.
Now there’s that look in your eye, like black holes in the sky.

105200 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Cheezilla, #1210 of 1520 🔗

that made me sing ……………

105259 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to matt, #1211 of 1520 🔗

Preparing them for the plantation.

104926 Biker, replying to Biker, 6, #1212 of 1520 🔗


I’m so tired of being trapped in this nightmare.
The Waterboys know how to say it.

105012 ▶▶ smurfs, replying to Biker, #1213 of 1520 🔗

Great song Biker.

Not heard it before so checked out the lyrics. I can’t make out if it is about giving in or struggling on. Very deep anyway.

You need to lift your spirits. Watch this.

105040 ▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Biker, 2, #1214 of 1520 🔗

“I say all pleasantries are over, I say all pleasantries are past.

“My enemies, you pimps and thieves, prepare to meet your nemesis at last.”


104930 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1215 of 1520 🔗

True, there is a mutant stalking the land, but it ain’t an algorithm

104987 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Cecil B, #1216 of 1520 🔗

Burn like a slave
Churn like a cog
We are caged in simulations
Algorithms evolve
Push us aside and render us obsolete
This means war
With your creator
Crash out


104931 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 3, #1217 of 1520 🔗

Easy solution. If they think it is not safe to go to work, put them on furlough.

104940 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to WhyNow, 20, #1218 of 1520 🔗

Sack them would be my preferred choice, as indeed it was in March when too many started to self isolate because they had a cough!

104944 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 14, #1219 of 1520 🔗

And they’ll be doing it again in November when seasonal coughs and colds are circulating, bigged up as the second wave of course.
Sack the lily-livered lot of them.

104973 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #1220 of 1520 🔗

Or their toddler had a cough.

104976 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to WhyNow, 4, #1221 of 1520 🔗

Put them on £13 per day!

104933 peter charles, replying to peter charles, 18, #1222 of 1520 🔗

My journey with Boris (who even lies about his name): Amusement, hope, sorry he got the bug and hope he pulls through, disappointment, puzzlement, contempt, utter contempt, hatred, thoughts of …

104935 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to peter charles, 8, #1223 of 1520 🔗

Like coke eyes, Gideon. Or Sir Kneel a lot Starmer. If they feel the need to hide your name or awarded honours then they are more worried about polls than policies.

104939 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Gerry Mandarin, #1224 of 1520 🔗

Spot on!

104947 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to peter charles, 7, #1225 of 1520 🔗

Same here , when he “recovered “ from this virus on Easter Sunday that’s when I first thought he’s taking the pee.

104938 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 16, #1226 of 1520 🔗

teachers that require guidance are maybe not the right types to be teaching

105045 ▶▶ Will, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1227 of 1520 🔗

There wouldn’t be many teachers left then!?!?

105075 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Will, 2, #1228 of 1520 🔗

whats worse, a shit teacher or no teacher?

105071 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1229 of 1520 🔗

They have been given guidance – it just doesn’t fit their narrative.

104941 Charlie Blue, 7, #1230 of 1520 🔗

So they all still live at home then? Makes sense- who would get them dressed and tie their shoelaces for them otherwise?

104946 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1231 of 1520 🔗

This new article describes aerosol transmission which undoubtedly occurs. But the last quotation gives you the direction of the whole question. Very strange that a scientific article, very thorough about aerosol transmission, should end with jumping into very widespread public health guidance. This blurring of the message is very suspect. It will be a philosophical question between those who accept the inevitability of C-19 spread and we must live with it and the others which will use all measures to stop it. The interesting thing is what the Chinese really believe. According to the latest picture from Wuhan water festival it seems to be one rue for China and the other for the world. But this article will be in the arsenal for Project Fear for a long time.


“A fluid dynamics simulation suggests that during toilet flushing, massive upward transport of virus aerosol particles was observed, with 40–60% of particles rising above the toilet seat, leading to large-scale virus spread indoors”

“Since there is no single measure that provides complete protection, facial mask should be used in conjunction with hand hygiene (e.g. hand washing, using alcohol hand rub or hand sanitizer) when going to public settings or taking public transportations, coupled with social and physical distancing. Additionally, the government should guide society to broadcast the relevant prevention and control knowledges via media tools (e.g. TV, broadcasts, newspapers, messages, social media such as Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, display screens, billboards, and brochures). The recognition of aerosol spread and asymptomatic transmission may have influenced the decision in the United States to recommend universal face mask use for the general public”

104959 ▶▶ peter charles, replying to swedenborg, 8, #1232 of 1520 🔗

its like a huge juggernaut that cannot be stopped. Each day bring more depressing repressive diktats, manipulation, and destruction of what makes life enjoyable and pleasant.

104983 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1233 of 1520 🔗

Interesting that they also suggest that if you catch it from aerosols (i.e. just breathing infected air in a stuffy room) you’re more likely to get a lower respiratory tract infection (likely to be much more serious). But if you catch some droplets, more like to be upper respiratory tract (basically a cold).

105020 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to guy153, 2, #1234 of 1520 🔗

Droplets… those things that masks stop, you mean?

105037 ▶▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1235 of 1520 🔗

Leaving you prey to the (allegedly more dangerous) aerosols that sneak in round the edges. A bunch of aerosols indeed!

104985 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 7, #1236 of 1520 🔗

However did homo sapiens survive so long as a species? Everywhere is soooo dangerous!

105145 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, #1237 of 1520 🔗

Nature used to weed out the weak, building a strong gene pool and ensuring food sources weren’t overstretched in hard times.
Nowadays we’re horrified when that happens.

105030 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1238 of 1520 🔗

‘A fluid dynamics simulation suggests …’ the dreaded Fecal Plume again that TY warned against. La plume de ma tante est dans the jardin de mon oncle. Le petit bébé est un peu malade. Shut the lid!

105224 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #1239 of 1520 🔗

A simulation is a model, yes ?

Le singe est dans l’arbre …

105124 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1240 of 1520 🔗

Singapore got it’s Nosocomial Infection rate down to statistical zero in March by assuming the primary transfer vector was contact or oral-fecal, same as Norovirus or Polio.
They went absolutely rabid on proper handwashing, hand sanitisers are fairly pointless as well apparently, so lots of extra sinks and handwashing for everyone between each and every encounter.
It worked and we are still dealing with loons who think masks are the answer over here.
They only use masks in Singapores hospitals for operations and high aerosol activities such as intubation, otherwise they are a distraction.

105143 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #1241 of 1520 🔗

Ironic isn’t it, given that handwashing was the very first (and probably only) sensible anti-covid advice we were given. Face nappies are certainly the opposite.

105233 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #1242 of 1520 🔗

I’ve read this, very interesting. Touch anything wash your hands.

105142 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1243 of 1520 🔗

We’ve known about loos and aerosols for decades. That’s why ideally the lid should be down when you flush.
We don’t have regular loo-aerosol epidemics, why should this be any different?

105232 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cheezilla, #1244 of 1520 🔗


104966 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #1245 of 1520 🔗

Matt le Tissier is trending on Twitter. I wonder why?

104989 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to crimsonpirate, 8, #1246 of 1520 🔗

Sky have sacked him, and Thompson, and Charlie Nicholas

Thank god I cancelled my Sky subscription

Will be replaced by woke morons who know fuck all about football

104992 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1247 of 1520 🔗

one a female and one a ex BAME player is the odds on bet

105002 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #1248 of 1520 🔗

Paddy Power are giving odds on Dawn Butler

105003 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1249 of 1520 🔗

Or a combination of both. When will this shit ever end.

Gone are the days when me and the OH used to have a couple of pints in the local boozer watching soccer Saturday.

105026 ▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to stefarm, #1250 of 1520 🔗

Bring back grandstand. At least we saw some other sport along with the goal updates rather than watching others watching TV.

104996 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1251 of 1520 🔗

Was he sacked because there’s no work for him or his ratings have dropped, or because of his sceptical stance? Did they give a reason. He’s hard core.

105009 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 2, #1252 of 1520 🔗

Almost certainly a bunch of reasons, but you’d have to be pretty dense in the current social climate not to recognise that a major one, if not the main one, will be to give them an opportunity to make their pundit team less “horribly white” and male.

Ian Wright, as usual wants to have his cake and eat it – positive discrimination and systematic social engineering in favour of political correctness, but active suppression of any resulting questioning of the credentials of those benefiting from such systematic promotion as “racist”.

“” Can somebody answer me this: what does Micah Richards, Alex Scott, Sol Campbell, Clinton Morrison or any other black pundit have to do with Sky’s decision to get rid of these guys? All because what, three middle-aged white guys have got the sack?

“What have they done? What have these guys done? Because a black person or woman might get the opportunity to do this job, might get the chance to do this show… why are they upset?

105016 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Mark, #1253 of 1520 🔗

“unbrushed teeth mouths”

Bloke is barking, thinks Alex Scott who wouldn’t get in an average pub side should take over

105017 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, #1254 of 1520 🔗

Cancel your subscription. Do it now

105211 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, #1255 of 1520 🔗

I cancelled my Sky subscription due to their support for BLM where they wouldn’t condemn their anti-semitism views.

Sky are intolerant of any views that don’t meet their own work views. Look at how they sack Botham and Gower too for not being remainers.

105208 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, #1256 of 1520 🔗

I find Alex Scott is one of the best pundits on there, I would rather hear her opinions that a lot of the others who are so biased due to their previous allegiances, or are just downright boring like Redknapp.

105035 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mark, 5, #1257 of 1520 🔗

The show only worked because of the atmosphere between the ex players and the host.It is after all only ex players watching a tv.And I think you will find the majority of the viewers will be white muddle aged men watching their football bets progress.
As for Ian Wright I used to respect him but BLM has given his inner victim a chance to come out.
What is wrong with all these millionaire footballers who continue to play the victim/race card.

105054 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1258 of 1520 🔗

Ian wright is a bankrupt who needs the work to pay off his creditors so will agree with anything to keep his job

105058 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to stefarm, #1259 of 1520 🔗

I didn’t know that. If true, that is sad. Ian Wright is a very patriotic Englishman and I don’t believe he would ever support a narrative that is divisive or the defacing of Winston Churchill’s statue for example. Like the vast (silent) majority of BAME people in this country.

105078 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to stefarm, #1260 of 1520 🔗

Hoe on earth did he end up a bankrupt?

105091 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cecil B, #1261 of 1520 🔗


I take it back he may have come to an agreement with creditors to avoid filing for bankruptcy. I also seem to remember that creditors were chasing him to sell his medal collection but his ex wife who was in possession of them claimed they were lost.

105043 ▶▶▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Mark, 1, #1262 of 1520 🔗

That’s unfair on Ian Wright. He’s a top bloke and I agree with him. It’s got nothing to do with those people why Sky have got rid of them. That is the BLM narrative that wants to turn it all into race and skin colour which I hate. Alex Scott is good, as is Micah Richards. Sol Campbell can be a bit odd. Morrison is rubbish. That is IT. They are commentators/pundits and should be judged on their merits, no other reason.

105080 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Chris Hume, 1, #1263 of 1520 🔗

The problem is that positive discrimination makes it by definition impossible to claim that the beneficiaries have been “judged on their merits”.

The problem is that if you are going to be colour blind, then you have to accept that it will take time for members of minority groups to gain acceptance and to climb up their professions to the top. That isn’t good enough for the zealots, who want to create what they see as “the right balance” now, by fiat, and their attitude is inherently racist, not colour blind.

Wright is like most people – imperfect. He has good aspects and bad ones. The nasty and intemperate personal abuse he dishes out to people with different opinions from him does not reflect anything good in him.

105082 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Mark, #1264 of 1520 🔗

How can discrimination be positive

105094 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Cecil B, #1265 of 1520 🔗

From their perspective, obviously.

It gets tiresome using quotation marks all the time when dealing with the political correctness zealots, to highlight all their twisting abuses of language

105256 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Chris Hume, #1266 of 1520 🔗

Sol Campbell a bit odd is an understatement ….well at least from my point of view Grrrrr

105195 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Mark, #1267 of 1520 🔗

ive always thought that lineker and wright are both shite . As mentioned below, there is nothing wrong with the sky line up and as a package they are entertaining. So why get rid of them unless there is some ulterior motive or some box ticking happening. I dont want to see any pundits appointed for any criteria other than they are good at being pundits. Dont care about colour. Kamara is brilliant .. Chris Powell is brilliant . Jermaine Jenas is shite

105069 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Julian, 2, #1268 of 1520 🔗

taking off the BLM badge signed his death warrant

105255 ▶▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Julian, #1269 of 1520 🔗

He pointed out BLM were Marxists early into Sky backing them. He’s also been quite outspoken about Covid too, ie it’s nonsense.

I think Thompson and Nicholas were used as cover.

Can’t wait to see the woke moron’s who are in their new lineup!

Needless to say I won’t be watching it anymore if i’m right in my assumption.

105223 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, #1270 of 1520 🔗

Thommo is boss. Took Big Ears to his local in Kirkby.
(A feat later emulated by Stevie G in Huyton.).
🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

105290 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to crimsonpirate, #1271 of 1520 🔗

Because Sky has sacked him!

104971 Margaret, 13, #1272 of 1520 🔗

Normal-going down to the sea before breakfast and watching the intrepid early morning swimmers braving the water. The virus doesn’t bother them. They are more likely to catch something nasty from swimming in the English Channel.

Abnormal-the rules about mask wearing in hotels. Yes, in corridors when there is no-one else there, no, the moment you step into the bar or dining room which are busy.

Abnormal-No changing rooms or showers in use before and after a swim so, as it is also open to spa members , they can come after a day at work, without showering, before entering the pool or jacuzzi.

Abnormal-No housekeeping service. Having to ask for clean towels, tea and coffee and TOILET ROLLS at reception. This latter takes me back to primary school days when they didn’t put toilet rolls in the toilets and you had to ask the teacher for toilet paper. Humiliating!

Abnormal-one way systems around the dining room for the (served) buffet breakfast.
This involves going up and down a set of steps. I asked about disabled people “Oh they go back the normal way”.

Happy days (not)

104977 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #1273 of 1520 🔗

£13-a-day quarantine payment will persuade more to self-isolate, says Matt Hancock (DT live)
What planet is this man on??

104984 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1274 of 1520 🔗

Seems we are now being enticed to be paid to be sick from a non threatening virus.

This really is random ideas out of a hat policy making.

105214 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to stefarm, 2, #1275 of 1520 🔗

I see the oft-expressed hope that the majority will wake up to the fact that the virus has gone, as a parallel to the hope that the majority will wake up to the fact that nowt is random, all is planned, and that yes, we are being globally reset.

104994 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1276 of 1520 🔗


105116 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sarigan, #1277 of 1520 🔗

Spawned on Spengo!

105000 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1278 of 1520 🔗

Just the headline no small print, no terms and conditions yet

What does ‘low pay’ mean

Could it mean that all teachers, GP’s, civil servants etc who refuse to return to work. or who are stopped from going to work will be put on 13 quid a day?

‘Council ‘A’ declares a lockdown. Tells it’s workers that in order to save themselves they must stay at home, not to worry though we will send you a cheque for 13 quid a day. A clever way to slash it’s budget and sack it’s workforce. The ‘new furlough’

105008 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1279 of 1520 🔗

It’s those already in receipt of income support.

105021 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #1280 of 1520 🔗

Once it’s bedded in could be changed to anyone on under 100k at the drop of a hat

105024 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cecil B, #1281 of 1520 🔗

Yep. That’s what I fear

105053 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cecil B, 1, #1282 of 1520 🔗

I can think of 650 that should get it then.

105032 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1283 of 1520 🔗

BUT it is only for the very low paid, so I suppose some will see it as free money!

105125 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to IanE, #1284 of 1520 🔗

To be eligible for the scheme, a person must show proof of employment or self-employment, be unable to work from home, and be receiving universal credit or working tax credit.

105158 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1285 of 1520 🔗

Matt is really enjoying this, he just doesn’t want it to end….

105235 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Biggles, #1286 of 1520 🔗

They want to extend it to TWO YEARS in September.

105160 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1287 of 1520 🔗

We force the unemployed to stop looking for work and “compensate” them with a mere £13.

At minimum wage that should be £61.04.

Which means Hancock thinks the minimum wage should be £1.85 per hour.

Perhaps we should ask him to live on that.

105251 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Cheezilla, #1288 of 1520 🔗

Planet Gates

105291 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, #1289 of 1520 🔗

Totally out of touch with the cost of living!

104986 matt, 6, #1290 of 1520 🔗

The fault, dear Brutus is not in our stars, but in ourselves that we are underlings.

104990 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, #1291 of 1520 🔗

First Van Morrison now Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull. No surprise he hasn’t received a response from the Culture secretary http://jethrotull.com/how-to-get-some-of-us-back-to-work/?fbclid=IwAR0jI6p53CZQ0z_v3c991e4A6-egsPC80ku6_1dUJ1C8bt1JhrYzj6J5t_Y

104993 ▶▶ Julian, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1292 of 1520 🔗

He’s advocating masking everyone up with medical grade masks

104998 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Julian, 5, #1293 of 1520 🔗

Thanks for saving my time, Julian.

105111 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, #1294 of 1520 🔗

Oh dear!

105144 ▶▶▶ Stuart Barker, replying to Julian, 2, #1295 of 1520 🔗

It never ceases to amuse me how often mask-fanatics latch on to N95 masks. They seem blissfully unaware that many N95 masks (especially designed for prolonged use) have exhale valves built into them and provide absolutely zero protection to others at all.

The level of ignorance is truly astounding.

105171 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Julian, 1, #1296 of 1520 🔗

in reverence to Ian Anderson i might wear a cod piece

105007 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #1297 of 1520 🔗

History of PCR testing at Dartmouth.

The whooping cough scare that wasn’t… thanks to the PCR test.


105010 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mr Dee, #1298 of 1520 🔗

Excellent find. Worth sharing with people who don’t understand the issues with the PCR and how it can create a chain of events on the assumption that an epidemic is in play

105036 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1299 of 1520 🔗

Check out as much of Pam Popper’s podcasts as possible. She’s been excellent throughout all this nonsense.

I think she’s also organising some sort of grassroots legal challenge in the US against the various lockdown measures there (I don’t have the details to hand – but you can find them on her website).

105014 Mark II, replying to Mark II, 14, #1300 of 1520 🔗

It really is pathetic.

No mention anymore in UK (it seems) of all the countries that went back before summer without masks (some of those too now also require masks, despite their own lived experience of schools being fine without!!)

No mention of how supermarket workers were mostly not wearing masks right up til 23rd July, without issue.

No mention how most of us were not up to 23rd July, and infections and deaths etc fell like a stone.

Incredible power of propaganda coupled with widespread laziness and stupidity.

105046 ▶▶ Will, replying to Mark II, 1, #1301 of 1520 🔗

Or that 64 million people have eaten out on the tax payer and hospitalisations and deaths have disappeared….

105015 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 18, #1302 of 1520 🔗

All over the bbc this morning is the news that the government want to increase the uptake of flu vaccinations this winter.

Surely this is the smoking gun we need to trap them with?

“Dear Boris, why do I need a flu vaccine, I’m wearing a mask that protects me from CV19 so I can’t possibly catch the flu can I?”

Even Alistair Campbell couldn’t spin his way out of that one let alone the covid clowns inhabiting westminster now.

PS I have had vaccinations all my life including for the flu and I regard the anti-vax mindset as positively cranky, although I will not be getting my flu jab this winter and would never get an ill prepared and possibly dangerous covid one at any time.

105025 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Old Bill, 8, #1303 of 1520 🔗

I have never had flu, although I am sure I have been exposed to it many times. Not knowingly having flu suggests to me I have a functioning ‘fit for purpose’ ammune system. I shall therefor give up my flu jab for others and, instead, bravely rely on a reasonably healthy diet, some excercise and i think i shall start taking vit C, vit D and zinc suplements this winter, my new ‘precautionary principle’ without side effects or unintended consequences…

105028 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Major Panic, 9, #1304 of 1520 🔗

Think the flu vax only predicts c 30% of poss strains I believed … my cousin in law who is anaesthetist doesn’t get it and says it pointless

105031 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #1305 of 1520 🔗

Some years it is close to useless; some years it does reduce spread somewhat.

105041 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Country Mumkin, 7, #1306 of 1520 🔗

It also is most ineffective in the elderly and immune compromised as it relays on an immune response and these groups are less able to make such a response. My partner a nurse of 35 years will not have the flu vaccination and if he were forced to because of his health job he says he will quit the job.

105179 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Country Mumkin, #1307 of 1520 🔗

I believe that is right, which is why the 2018 flu killed so many as it wasn’t one of the strains included in the vaccine.

105175 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1308 of 1520 🔗

If you had had flu you would know it. I had flu 20 years ago, I couldn’t get out of bed for three weeks and it took me nine months to fully recover.

105029 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Old Bill, 5, #1309 of 1520 🔗

Oh, they’ll just say, no, masks aren’t perfect, but they reduce the spread. Easy – if one is a two-faced, hypocritical, lying barsteward!

105042 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1310 of 1520 🔗

I seen that. One doctor they had on claimed that you can’t get the flu from the vaccine.

Is that just nonsense? Aren’t they injecting you with the influenza virus?

105183 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1311 of 1520 🔗

It’s more than likely the side effects of what the vaccine contains to preserve it.

105197 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to JohnB, #1312 of 1520 🔗

Don’t forget that the vaccine by itself is probably not that effective without adjuvants such as aluminium salts.

105294 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1313 of 1520 🔗

These medically trained people normally say that if after the flu vaccine you get flu type side effects (exactly the same as having a flu) that it is still worthwhile getting it.

105066 ▶▶ DocRC, replying to Old Bill, 8, #1314 of 1520 🔗

I was an NHS GP for 35 years and never once had the influenza vaccine nor did I ever have symptoms which would have led me to to believe I had the disease. I suppose I must have have been infected by various influenza viruses in my time as I was in contact with many thousands of patients. So younger people with healthy immune systems don’t need influenza vaccines. Unfortunately the very people who need protection from influenza are the elderly and those with co-morbidities who have immunosenescence (our immune systems are at their peak when we are teenagers and decline thereafter). These people do not produce a decent immune response to vaccines. It will unfortunately be the same with a Covid vaccine if ever a safe one is produced.

105271 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to DocRC, 1, #1315 of 1520 🔗

My understanding is that taking a flu vaccine increases your risk of getting other respiratory illnesses. Doesn’t seem like a good tradeoff to me. Got a flu vaccine once decades ago and it made me sick. I’ve never had another one and almost never get the flu.

105297 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to DocRC, #1316 of 1520 🔗

Yes and they should improve their immune systems. Some of the polypharmacy drug cocktails prescribed to them could also make them more ‘vulnerable’.

105067 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Old Bill, 1, #1317 of 1520 🔗

Interesting because this morning, the news was that there wouldn’t be enough vaccine, so those over 50 would only be offered it if there were enough shots left.
The article seems to have disappeared in the last two hours ……..

105206 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Old Bill, 2, #1318 of 1520 🔗

That’s cool, OB. I regard the pro-vaxxers as positively naive.

105994 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to PastImperfect, #1320 of 1520 🔗

It would be helpful if a brief summary was included.

105289 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Old Bill, #1321 of 1520 🔗

Earlier in lockdown a study came out stating that those who had the flu vaccine had worse outcomes when contracting Covid-19 (sorry can’t find the link)

The best strategy is for people to improve their immune systems, starting by optimising they vitamin D levels.

105293 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Old Bill, #1322 of 1520 🔗

You have to wonder if they have put some nasties in the this year’s flu vaccine, knowing people won’t take the ‘real’ CV19 vaccine voluntarily..

105019 Polemon2, replying to Polemon2, 6, #1323 of 1520 🔗

For when you can find no excuse to go without a mask.
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105027 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Polemon2, #1324 of 1520 🔗

marvelous – where can I get one of them from? It will be ideal for my trip to Portugal next week.

105044 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Major Panic, #1325 of 1520 🔗

DuckDuckGo will find you one from China.

105047 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Polemon2, #1326 of 1520 🔗

Probably how covid19 started…

105138 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Polemon2, #1327 of 1520 🔗

Oh yum lobster! 😆

105033 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 13, #1328 of 1520 🔗

Sky ‘news’ has a reporter standing outside in a Hurricane in Luisiana in torential rain with debris flying dangerously through the air… and he has no mask on!!!!! How irresponsible of Sky!! (Interestingly, the hurricane has not been blamed on Trump or the police, well not yet…)

105169 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Major Panic, #1329 of 1520 🔗

but it will be linked to global warming !

105204 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to mjr, #1330 of 1520 🔗

it bloody freezing here

105038 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #1331 of 1520 🔗

Quite a few discussions about the tide turning to sceptic positions and I can agree in many ways. However, one story I’ll share is speaking with my paramedic sister in law last night.

She wears the paramedic badge very close to her heart and believes it gives her a truthful perspective on the Covid-19 drama. And hearing her stories is great. One last night was that the ambulance crews were specifically identified to be the death shift each day. So if a Covid-19 call came in, only specific crews would be sent to be exposed. Not official of course, her speculation. It was obvious as one crew would have 5 CV-19 calls, others none.

Anyway, she is a tough nut to crack. The way that she defended the management of the care homes was astounding. She said blanket DNRs were right, and these people would have likely died anyway. We needed to keep the hospitals free for the wave. The fact that capacity was never reached is irrelevant she said. How were we to know. I was pretty angry but had to keep my calm. She keeps bringing up Trump as if anyone anti lockdown and critical of the lockdown zealots is in that camp. I mentioned to her that the US has actually turned a corner and well behind the UK in terms of deaths per million. She had no answer. Lack of knowledge and care is the blocker. They need to sort it out.

Anyway she left it with a bet that a second wave was on the way and she hoped I was right. So I will bide my time. It will soon be undeniable

105050 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 15, #1332 of 1520 🔗

The tide IS turning. I am noticing more and more of my friendship group turning sceptical. More articles turning up on MSM, unrest stirring amongst MP’s, more ridicule going around social media. The narrative is crashing on the rocks of truth and evidence. ‘This is not the end, it is not even the beginning of the end, but it may be the end of the beginning..’

105052 ▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Chris Hume, 3, #1333 of 1520 🔗

I hope you’re right.

105055 ▶▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Kath Andrews, 10, #1334 of 1520 🔗

Article in the Telegraph today about the head of the EU equivalent of CDC admitting that they no longer expect a ‘second wave’. Coming up with lots of non evidenced based support of lockdown and ‘suppression measures’ but admits that they wouldn’t do it again. Expect to see a lot more of this sort of stuff in the next few weeks. They are retreating and looking for cover. They know what’s coming…

105077 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Chris Hume, 14, #1335 of 1520 🔗

I am very angry with Patrick Vallance and Chris Whitty. They could have spoken out, they were both for the Sweden way and I am sure they both still believe it was the right approach but have kept quiet. They are guilty.

105108 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wendy, 2, #1336 of 1520 🔗

I’ve kept wondering what hold “someone” has over them, Whitty in particular.

105139 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1337 of 1520 🔗

The most obvious possibility is that, once the Government decided to go for lockdown, they aligned their financial interests and this meant they now had a reason to stick to the view. It’s rather like the way that Caroline Lucas is obsessed with wind power: once it was Green Party policy she got herself on the boards of various companies involved with wind turbines and is now incapable of being impartial or realistic because it would hit her in the pocket.

105194 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cheezilla, #1338 of 1520 🔗

That politicians, academics, media people, senior government operatives, and others with significant power, are controlled by blackmail/threats/bribes has long been in the public domain.

105234 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Cheezilla, #1339 of 1520 🔗

Pledges to the WHO? Previous game-planning what to do in a pandemic?? Handy viral outbreak, possibly high mortality rate?: roll out the game plan, don’t check whether the data fits the facts.
When the facts become too obvious to miss? Wasn’t me, Guv. I was just an advisor…


105190 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to wendy, #1340 of 1520 🔗

BUT, but, but poor old Chris only got $40 million or so from Bill Gates and now he’s on the board of the WHO to ensure that our ‘government of occupation’ (apologies UK Column) will deliver on its promise.

105273 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to wendy, #1341 of 1520 🔗

Agree but both in the pockets of our so-called saviour, Gates

105060 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Chris Hume, 4, #1342 of 1520 🔗

I hope so but do worry that next step is the army? I haven’t seen anything sceptical from an army point of view.

105106 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to KBuchanan, 1, #1343 of 1520 🔗

They just do as they’re told!

105193 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Cheezilla, #1344 of 1520 🔗

Well, let’s tell them what to do.

105267 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to KBuchanan, #1345 of 1520 🔗

They HAVE to be sceptic! they can’t be all “ooh hang on….make sure we are social distancing in the back of the tank/cockpit of the helicopter/ putting on our masks before charging at the COVID ridden enemy”

105076 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Chris Hume, 12, #1346 of 1520 🔗

I suppose we have to keep getting it out there about the next to none admissions and deaths. Police officer friend said he didn’t know, the managers are telling them admissions and deaths are rising exponentially again especially in the local lockdown areas. He felt they were giving misinformation so as to prevent people from stopping abiding to the measures and thinking it is all over. He is quite clear that he won’t be issuing any fines.

105104 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wendy, 3, #1347 of 1520 🔗

But the admissions and deaths are available for all to see, if they can be arsed. It’s obvious, even from the offocial numbers, that the covid party’s over.

105112 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1348 of 1520 🔗

I know, but if you are getting your main news from the BBC well you are not getting informed very well.

105237 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to wendy, 1, #1349 of 1520 🔗

Point your friend at the CEBM. They seem to be very reliable on facts and figures.

105085 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Chris Hume, 5, #1350 of 1520 🔗

How long can they keep this going.hardly any deaths now.’Cases’ not leading to hospitalisations.The emperor has no clothes why can no one see it.

105186 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #1351 of 1520 🔗

Only the little boy ever can see it. That’s why the story is so potent. There are, and always have been, ten thousand stupid, coeardly arselickers for every person with integrity and courage – or simply eyes to see.

105203 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #1352 of 1520 🔗

They want to keep it going until they have extended it for another TWO YEARS in September.

We need a massive campaign to deluge MPs with the news that we are not going to stand for it. We have only a couple of weeks to wake people up.

105245 ▶▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1353 of 1520 🔗

If the Media doesn’t report on it, it never actually happened 😉

105057 ▶▶ wendy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 21, #1354 of 1520 🔗

I think it must depend on the personality of the person. A few stories for you all:

1) Yesterday at a northern hospital my senior nurse partner lost it with a couple of consultants telling them they must speak up about what is happening in the hospitals. They agreed but whether they will we will see.

2) At the same hospital a patient was transferred from another hospital for major surgery. Patient had a negative test at original hospital but policy is to test all inpatients on arrival. Patient tested positive. Another test the following day was negative. As there is one positive test patient must be isolated for 10 days before treatment can start. So whole side ward is occupied for all this time, and no treatment can start. This is a very sick person, if they die from their illnesses whilst treatment is delayed they go down as a with Covid death.

3) My police officer friend had a spare half hour whilst on patrols in his squad car. His role today is police presence in the northern lockdown. He called for coffee. Came straight in, gave me a big hug. Told me they are told to keep their distance at work but as soon as managers are not present they hug and sit together.

105072 ▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to wendy, 14, #1355 of 1520 🔗

Thanks Wendy. Number 2) is shocking even for me. More and more medics seem to be speaking up though. Hopefully ours will soon. That could be the key. It has already started elsewhere, that Spanish Doctor, the Professor on TF1 in France, the 1,000 German and Spanish Drs mobilising against the Covid19 terror narrative. When it starts here (as it must), that will be when the whole edifice starts to crumble. The MSM won’t be able to just ignore them either..

105081 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Chris Hume, 5, #1356 of 1520 🔗

Part of the problem for the hospitals is the Covid restrictions. They have to socially distance inpatients which means a side ward which usually holds 4 beds can only have 2 beds. So that has halved the capacity of whole hospitals. Until that is scrapped they can’t get up to capacity.

105092 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to wendy, 2, #1357 of 1520 🔗

Yes – I can confirm that, having recently observed the reduction of beds in an assessment ward.

105098 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to wendy, 4, #1358 of 1520 🔗

The antisocial-distancing rules are holding back the entire country.

105103 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1359 of 1520 🔗

I am not sure how they are going to get out of this as part of the problem has been spread to the community, especially care homes, from hospitals.

105095 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to wendy, 14, #1360 of 1520 🔗

Doesn’t have 2 negative tests and 1 positive within 72 hours highlight the innacuracy of the test.

105096 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stefarm, 1, #1361 of 1520 🔗

That would be my conclusion.

105099 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to stefarm, 2, #1362 of 1520 🔗

Yes it does indeed.

105137 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to wendy, 2, #1363 of 1520 🔗

So let’s stop vital medical treatment on the basis of an innacurate test that is being used to spread fear and drive policy…

Damn, where did I put my Rizla.

105126 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to stefarm, #1364 of 1520 🔗

Can we make you Health Secretary please, Stefarm.

105136 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #1365 of 1520 🔗

Yeah no problem. I can do it in my lunch hour.

My 1st decision – Megalise larijuana

105202 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to stefarm, 1, #1366 of 1520 🔗

Heh. Back in the 70s/80s there a graffiti in 6′ high letters on the side of Reading Jail, ‘Cannibalise Legalis’.

105133 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to stefarm, 2, #1367 of 1520 🔗

Now that we are all meant to be following the Prof Ferguson school of science what this indicates is that you need to do more tests and then take an average.

105150 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Saved To Death, #1368 of 1520 🔗

Yes, but remember to discard any spurious results first, you know, like those so-called ‘negative’ ones.

105161 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ smurfs, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1369 of 1520 🔗

Just like referenda… keep going until you get the ‘right’ result

105061 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1370 of 1520 🔗

Whenever anyone brings up Trump as an example of anti lockdown I point out he stopped all transatlantic flights between Europe and US- Not that it made any difference

105073 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1371 of 1520 🔗

Indeed. They are simply not informed. Granted, its a fast moving beast is the CV drama, but they could do with opening their mind to the possibility that things are not what they seem

As an aside, her 23 year old daughter is scared out of her mind and suffers a high level of anxiety from all this. It’s not right. The truth shall set you free is what I would say to her

105084 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #1372 of 1520 🔗

In a way having USA is a live experiment in itself with some states locking down and some refusing and this all in one country

105329 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to crimsonpirate, #1373 of 1520 🔗

And they all called him a racist (he’d stopped flights from China as well, didn’t he?) And encouraged everyone to go and hug someone from China…..

Italian residents hug Chinese people to encourage them in coronavirus fight


Chinese diaspora fights coronavirus discrimination in the US

105097 ▶▶ wendy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1374 of 1520 🔗

Just to add that paramedics in the North have said they had a very very quiet time during the main lockdown when we were all inside. Some had days when they said they did nothing at all.

105141 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to wendy, 4, #1375 of 1520 🔗

My hospital area of 200,000 has had 20 Deaths with Covid-19. There have been no admissions to ICU since early June. Probably 10 admissions at all since then with a positive test.

A local Facebook warrior in the city with 10000 followers was pushing so much crap at the start saying 4,000 would die with CV-19 alone.

The fear was mighty and people clamoured around him. No apology forthcoming as yet. No forgiveness shall be given. These people are the real virus that has been uncovered

105997 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1376 of 1520 🔗

Give him some well deserved stick.

105157 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to wendy, 1, #1377 of 1520 🔗

Funnily enough, passed an ambulance (proper van type), parked up well out of the way, yesterday, in Accrington. Looked to be only one guy in it, no activity at houses around it. Do they do that? I thought it was the fast response cars that wait ‘on hold’.

105180 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1378 of 1520 🔗

I have noticed that the drivers of the empty ambulances driving around my area are now wearing masks. Need to keep pushing the fear narrative

105288 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to stefarm, 1, #1379 of 1520 🔗

Very dangerous, oxygen deprivation can make them dizzy.

‘Public transport drivers are exempt from wearing face coverings under Department for Transport guidance as it can affect their ability to drive.’

105333 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to stefarm, #1380 of 1520 🔗

Have they got the alarms going? seems like every 20 mins. a siren is blaring hereabouts.

105435 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to David Grimbleby, #1381 of 1520 🔗

Yes, sirens blaring.

105039 Nigel Sherratt, 2, #1382 of 1520 🔗

Unsurprising given the size of the teachers.

105049 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1383 of 1520 🔗

Why is there a problem with marking homework? They need to don a pair of rubber gloves if they are worried. Sounds like another excuse to not get on with what they are paid to do (btw I am a teacher).
I couldn’t imagine anything worse than the kids or teachers having to wear masks.

105147 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ozzie, #1384 of 1520 🔗

Rubber gloves would spread infection thoughout the books. They could try handwashing!

I recently overheard some teenagers as I passed them in the park. One was saying “… but if they don’t mark your work, how can you improve?”

105051 Mark, replying to Mark, 10, #1385 of 1520 🔗

‘The BBC really is like W1A’: Former news boss compares top of the corporation to the comedy show and says too many big decisions are made by ‘white liberals’

‘The only thing I’d add really is I think diversity is very broad though. In a sense, it’s also about diversity of thought. It’s about Left and Right, it’s about liberal and conservative. And if you think about the missing voices last year … they also included people in the red wall, people who voted for Brexit, people who were from working class areas in the north of England … and pretty much every major decision in television is still taken in London. And part of that diversity is getting the sense of a whole UK with this amazing canopy of people in it and getting newsrooms to be more representative of everybody in the UK, rather than what it used to be really which was white liberals in London.’

This guy does at least grasp the real problem, although he doesn’t understand that this is inherent to being a state licensed and protected broadcaster, and the only solution to the problem of the BBC is to end its existence as that (preferably by selling it off to recoup at least a trivial part of what it has cost in monetary terms). There’s no way to recoup the harm it has done to this country’s culture, politics and society over the decades of its existence, but we are where we are.

But he still has this fundamentally racist, “woke”, lobbyist attitude that ethnic minorities must be assumed to have distinct interests and opinions by virtue of their ethnic identity or race. That’s the inherent contradiction in the supposedly antiracist but “positive” discriminatory, “woke” agenda.

Meanwhile the general surrender of the British establishment to poisonous woke nonsense continues apace:

Royal Ascot considers axing Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory from traditional singalong amid fears of a backlash over “racism”

105065 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 12, #1386 of 1520 🔗

The BBC in particular have been strongly pro-lockdown and bought into the coronapanic narrative – much more so, it seems to me, than the papers and other TV channels and news sites. They don’t have the excuse of having to sell papers or clicks. I don’t buy the line that they are government stooges – I think a lot of them hate the PM and the Conservatives and would much prefer the Lib Dems and/or Labour.

So why is the BBC intent on keeping this going? Are they victims of their own groupthink and herd mentality? Or do they have an agenda? If so, what is it? How does the coronapanic fit in with their wider aims and views?

105083 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 5, #1387 of 1520 🔗

The BBC – guilty as charged over Corona – is what it is because of government power and influence, and is a useful diversion from the main fact of gross political failure.

Beyond that, it is necessary to separate out the fact of appalling news and current affairs coverage – part of the general terrible level of the narrow perspective of the MSM – from the wider functioning of the BBC.

In that latter role, it does provide the wider range of choice that the mish-mash of commercial interests doesn’t and can’t, as the latter chases after the lowest common denominator of simple audience figures. Just tune a DAB radio and see where choice comes from.

105115 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to RickH, 17, #1388 of 1520 🔗

Personally I would rather have my liberty and live in a country full of people not suffering from media induced mental health issues then a ‘wide range of choice’ on the TV and radio.

The BBC needs to be shut down and all those who have been shouting fire in the proverbial packed theatre for months on end need to face justice.

105120 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Saved To Death, 4, #1389 of 1520 🔗

Yes they do because if you shout fire in a packed theatre people die in the panic and that is what has happened in the UK

105121 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 6, #1390 of 1520 🔗

I used to think they provided quality, and think you could still just about argue that case, though a lot of the competition isn’t great, but I find it hard to get past what seems to me pervasive and fairly blatant attempts at pushing a “progressive” agenda not just in news and current affairs but across the board. But I’m right-wing, I suppose.

I tend to think we’d be better off without them, and that it’s wrong to have a publicly funded broadcaster of such power that is so obviously not impartial.

105105 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Julian, 8, #1391 of 1520 🔗

I don’t know what they’re agenda is but it’s plain to see that the quality of their “journalism” has sunk to an all time low (with a few exceptions). From click-bait headlines to nigh on propaganda pieces. If you look at their new website these days the headlines are rarely about what’s happened and more about how people think about things. Hence lots of articles along the lines of “people calling for”, “criticism grows”, “concerns about”, etc. I think most of their investigative journalism doesn’t go beyond scrolling through Twitter these days.

105110 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Achilles, 5, #1392 of 1520 🔗

Sheer laziness, lack of talent and professionalism may well be part of it

105181 ▶▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to Achilles, 1, #1393 of 1520 🔗

I stopped even visiting the BBC site (other than the occasional article linked from elsewhere) a few months ago as apart from their blatant scaremongering and misrepresentation around Covid, so many of their articles are either blatantly biased or inane clickbait worthy of the Daily Mail (if more PC than the latter!)

At the start of the crisis it was the first source I checked daily, in the naively mistaken assumption it was the most factual, unbiased, neutral news source available! Let’s say my opinion of the BBC has changed a bit since then.

105113 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Julian, 4, #1394 of 1520 🔗

The BBC have something of a mental dichotomy in that they think they have to chase ratings, but have no idea who their viewers are. So many of their anchors live on Twitter that they genuinely believe that the small proportion of people who do likewise (and the even smaller proportion who are vocal on the platform) represent the views of the country. This is why they were so taken off-guard by Brexit (Twitter was largely remain) and why they didn’t see the election result coming (Twitter leans toward Labour). It appears in this instance that Twitter tends toward the panicked (some of the polls about public opinion have been conducted purely on the platform) and those for whom lockdown is a free holiday. As to why Twitter leans that way…

105166 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Andrew Fish, 4, #1395 of 1520 🔗

this is why BBC is continually striving to expand the youth audience. They believe some youth listen and they want more which is why they throw so much at it and try to follow what the “youth” think.
In reality the young are not interested in scheduled output and ignore the BBC. .The true BBC audience is the older conservative (small c) public which the BBC do not want and so ignore . With marketing like they have, had they been a commercial company they would have gone under years ago

105265 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Andrew Fish, 1, #1396 of 1520 🔗

They should read daily mail comments pages then. I had very good sight of Brexit and Tory landslide from that.

105123 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 5, #1397 of 1520 🔗

I think there are two basic agendas at play in the BBC over the coronapanic. There’s the “facing a crisis”, state behavioural manipulation organ, which I think they have bought into because the cause is one they share anyway. And then there’s the basic hysteria over the coronapanic which they themselves share for the same reasons other leftist groups have shared it – the underlying collectivism and “lives ahead of money” nonsense that seems to have been used to whip the mainstream left (Guardian, trade unions, Labour and LibDem parties, BBC, etc) into line behind the coronapanic and against any rational arguments trying to appeal to sanity in the face of a not very dangerous disease.

105128 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, 1, #1398 of 1520 🔗

There’s another agenda too. If they prolong this then the economy becomes weaker and weaker, therefore as this continues to happen the chances of us rejoining the EU And Single Market increases as this may be seen as the only way to recover the economy.

105227 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, #1399 of 1520 🔗

More than likely, they only take opposing sides to achieve more power. Now with the majority they have and the plandemic, why not fall back to their previous position and say “it was the only thing we could do to save the country and the NHS.”

105134 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Mark, 5, #1400 of 1520 🔗

I’ve thought about this before and there is definitely an element of what I call an artificial community spirit. The idea being that you are suffering for the greater communal good or at the least supporting it. There’s the hint of the “wartime spirit” about it. The problem is that while it gives the impression of being a force for communal good it is actually a very divisive and intolerant approach as it vilifies or ridicules anyone that isn’t part of the group cause or criticises it. It also of course self-perpetuates it’s belief systems so alternative viewpoints are ignored or shut down and intellectual debate stifled.

105135 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, 1, #1401 of 1520 🔗

I think this shows with the BBC and other MSM orgs, education, civil service, politicians, NHS, public services, charities, businesses, etc have now been taken over by the Fabian Society. A completely peaceful takeover which they always hoped to achieve, we have just allowed it to happen.

105089 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mark, 1, #1403 of 1520 🔗

If the BBC gets de-funded could it be a perfect opportunity for ‘fingers in the pie’ billionaires to jump in and fund – a near perfect propoganda machine?

105093 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Major Panic, #1404 of 1520 🔗


105101 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1405 of 1520 🔗

Ha, yes it is currently a publically funded propoganda machine, but what an excellent, ready made, tool for the world dommination billionaires, if these things exist…

(I am not sticking up for the BBC, just pointing out that there are always consequences)

105127 ▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Major Panic, 4, #1406 of 1520 🔗

The only thing better then buying a near perfect propaganda machine to push your narrative is not buying the near perfect propaganda machine and still have it pushing you narrative.

105130 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Saved To Death, #1407 of 1520 🔗

mmm… i don’t have the solution, but it is a trusted brand that could be useful if it was for sale – is there another way, reforming it rather than junking it, I don’t know…

105132 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, #1408 of 1520 🔗

If you control the media – you control
I did think Sky News (UK) was reasonably reliable, once upon a time

105140 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 3, #1409 of 1520 🔗

I remember some BBC news program where Joe Public could write in and complain about the news coverage – every time some smarmy twat from production would arogantly tell why Joe public was wrong and he was right.
Solution – get rid of the smarmy twat, punching him on the way out – simples…

105102 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Major Panic, 6, #1410 of 1520 🔗

Maybe, but a large part of the reason the BBC has been such a “near perfect propaganda machine” over the past century, and so profoundly damaging as such culminating in its deplorable role in the coronapanic, has been that it has worn a fake glamour of supposed neutrality and honesty, as the national broadcaster.

Take that away, and eventually it will settle down to being just another media company.

105118 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Mark, 8, #1411 of 1520 🔗

Fair dinkum, what is to be sung instead? Oh sorry, tradition is a thing of the past. As the small number of reprobate Aussies on a number of Cunard cruises we liked nothing more than taking part in these resounding choruses. Parents were 10£ poms, OF COURSE I’M GOING TO SING, I’m proud of my heritage.
Today, hairdressing appointment, known hairdresser for years. Only one in salon – take your mask off Sandra, it will make you sick. She did. Yeah!
Thank you all, I look forward to every evening and reading your posts. Sets me up for another day of battle!

105056 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1412 of 1520 🔗


Who does more testing per thousand people South Korea or UK? You will be surprised to hear that UK is doing seven times more testing than South Korea. And the Public Heath Icons Blair, Hunt, Hague wants us to imitate South Korea to eradicate C-19.
South Korea has today increasing cases but they have not done widescale testing in the population. This is the same in Taiwan, another country to imitate according to the test fanatics. I think their testing is really around known cases and clusters and not at all in the population in general like Japan.
That is very practical in the way not knowing if the virus  is spread in the population in general. There is no way this transmissible virus is not spreading in their population but obviously not that big concern if not corresponding to increase hospitalizations and death. Impossible with these low testing rates that they are testing all URI in the whole country with PCR.
 They have probably chosen a Chinese way of suppressing the pandemic, reduced testing but bluffing us that they are super testing.

105074 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1413 of 1520 🔗

Yes. A moment’s thought is enough to conclude that widespread testing and ‘track and trace’ is no solution to anything.

105272 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to swedenborg, #1414 of 1520 🔗

Ahh no not again. Don’t they know you cant eradicate a virus?

105063 Mark, replying to Mark, 4, #1415 of 1520 🔗

Brazilian city Manaus — where dead bodies were piled up in refrigerated trucks — may have reached herd immunity with no lockdown, scientists say
An interesting mish-mash of a report in the DM. Overall the impression is of complete chaos amongst the supposed experts and authorities trying to explain this disease. Clearly there is still an editorial push to scaremonger, considering the headline spin nonsense about “dead bodies piled up in refrigerated trucks”.

The basic common sense of herd immunity does seem to be getting some rehabilitation (perforce, because you can ignore reality as long as you like, but you can’t ignore the consequences of ignoring reality, which in this case have been disastrous policy incompetence and an inability to explain what is going on).

105070 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 11, #1416 of 1520 🔗

the supposed experts and authorities trying to explain this disease”

Trying to explain the evidence, which flies in the face of their predictions and narrative. The most obvious explanation – that the predictions were wrong – doesn’t seem to occur to them.

Country X hasn’t had much mortality, or the cases have dropped – it must be because of lockdown, or masks, or testing, etc. Never that the thing is over.

105064 RickH, replying to RickH, 22, #1417 of 1520 🔗

I’ve just been catching up with John Anderson’s conversation with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, cited above.
Forgetting for a moment the detailed issues what strikes me is the simple contrast between Anderson (once Deputy Prime Minister) and most politicians that we have seen fronting up this panicdemic.
Thinking Johnson, think Starmer.
What a contrast! … and how serious it is that we simply do not have many (any?) politicians of real stature.
This isn’t about any particular political stance or amount of agreement. It’s about competence and stature. It also reflects a personal observation of three generations of MP in one particular constituency.

It’s serious, and I think that it does relate to the growth of the ‘career politician’ and the loss of even second-hand touch with really serious times, such as the last war. Political life has become a branch of the PR industry, rather than a serious occupation for serious people.

105088 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to RickH, 4, #1418 of 1520 🔗

Yep. What this whole thing has exposed for all to see is that our current political class are ethically and intellectually inadequate.

105196 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to RickH, #1419 of 1520 🔗

I blame being part of the EU for the abysmal standard of politicians. We no longer have Leaders in the true sense we have followers who toe the Brussels line, and that’s why at a time when we need strong leadership we have a massive fail! Boris is so weak he still follows what everyone else is doing.

106006 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to RickH, #1420 of 1520 🔗

I disagree with a lot of what you say (I m a bit of a right winger) but your last paragraph does sum it up entirely. I disagreed with most of what Tony Benn ever said but I thoroughly admired his commitment and his eloquence on the subjects he cared about. Him and the late Jimmy Young on radio 2 were a joy to listen to - even to me. Politicians now just don t seem to have that drive, gift and experience.

105068 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 17, #1421 of 1520 🔗

It does not take a majority to prevail … but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.
– Samuel Adams

105164 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #1422 of 1520 🔗

Let’s get on with it.

105086 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #1423 of 1520 🔗


Sex differences in immune responses that underlie COVID-19 disease outcomes
” In contrast, female patients mounted significantly more robust T cell activation than male patients during SARS-CoV-2 infection, which was sustained in old age. Importantly, we found that a poor T cell response negatively correlated with patients’ age and was associated with worse disease outcome in male patients, but not in female patients.”

The most bizarre PC comment was this about Nature
( Nature recognizes that sex and gender are neither binary nor fixed.)

105087 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to swedenborg, 9, #1424 of 1520 🔗

The magazine might, but nature herself knows the truth and that is that y chromosome bodies are immunologically less robust.

105131 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Cheezilla, #1425 of 1520 🔗

I really like that.

105163 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Cheezilla, #1426 of 1520 🔗


105152 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1427 of 1520 🔗

Not entirely convinced that accounts for the difference. There are differences that apparently favour female immune robustness during pregnancy (especially), but I would like to see a breakdown by sex for those without other comorbidities . Generally speaking, pneumonias affect more females than males, though this has much to do with there being more females than males at the relevant age groups.

105276 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, #1428 of 1520 🔗

While of course denouncing their obvious transphobia and reinforcement of cisgender heteronormative stereotypes, they did find rather big differences.

I wonder what the reason for this is? Might have something to do with hormones but also a lot of women were already taking vitamin D, usually with calcium, so they don’t get osteoporosis. The mean age of their patients is only about 60. I don’t know what age they start giving these supplements to people.

105109 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 10, #1429 of 1520 🔗


NZ should move to similar approach to COVID as Sweden: WHO special envoy Dr David Nabarro suggests

Nabarro is just a shade better than the others. He was to be the Chief of WHO but the Chinese stopped it

105117 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to swedenborg, #1430 of 1520 🔗


105148 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1431 of 1520 🔗

That’s a pretty bold statement. Why wouldn’t it apply to every country?

105162 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, 1, #1432 of 1520 🔗

It’s an interesting interview and the presenter skilfully steers Navarro down this route, though he only concedes that the Swedish approach will become acceptable some time after hell freezes over (when a country has 0 cases effectively). Navarro still seems to think that ‘movrment restrictions’ are the only response to even a small number of community cases if the source is not known. I didn’t take any comfort from his assertions.

105156 ▶▶ Drawde927, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1433 of 1520 🔗

I’ve totally given up attempting to make sense of what the WHO are trying to do. One moment they recommend masks for kids and make sinister pronouncements about “not going back to normal”, the next they say something like this!

Do the WHO have a “party line” that members are supposed to go along with, or do individual members have a fair amount of leeway for their own opinions? The latter would explain their seemingly constant U-turns and inconsistency.

105177 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Drawde927, 2, #1434 of 1520 🔗

They presumably follow their paymasters

105182 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Drawde927, 3, #1435 of 1520 🔗

There is one simple factor operating, I think. That is the simple act of arse-covering.

As others have pointed out, there is rarely blame attached to extraordinary excess in measures, whereas any rise in deaths will be a subject of blame – whether they are related or not.

The result is that – essentially – epidemiologists are prone to a built-in conformation bias towards hysteria, which may also be bolstered by the simple factor of inflated limelight-seeking.

105173 ▶▶ annie, replying to swedenborg, #1436 of 1520 🔗

Is he son to Gerard Nbarro of the handlebar moustsche?

105119 Mr Dee, 3, #1437 of 1520 🔗

Past Studies Found Pandemics Create Perfect Storm For Controlling Populations & Creating Conformity

105149 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 15, #1438 of 1520 🔗

The problem with Hydroxychloroquine is that it would get in the way of a multi-billion dollar vaccine scam.

105167 ▶▶ Drawde927, replying to PastImperfect, #1439 of 1520 🔗

The more I read about HCQ (see the realclearpolicy.com article for example) the more “convenient” Trump’s endorsement seems to be.
The campaign to discredit HCQ seems to have started well before his statement, but the latter immediately turned it from innocuous anti-malarial drug, to dangerous quack cure pushed by irresponsible populists, making it politically toxic.
It wouldn’t at all surprise me if someone (surely not Fauci, but maybe one of his associates) recommended it to Trump!

105230 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Drawde927, #1440 of 1520 🔗

Actually, Tucker Carlson talked about it on his show the day before Trump mentioned it in his press conference.

105153 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1441 of 1520 🔗

Have you seen this?

America’s COVID Warning System

We use 5 key indicators to determine risk levels

None of them are deaths….

105155 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 2, #1442 of 1520 🔗

I did their survey.

105168 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Lockdown Truth, 2, #1443 of 1520 🔗

Well I suppose it is to be expected now now the definition of pandemic by the WHO does not require any deaths at all.

105176 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #1444 of 1520 🔗

Indeed.The scary term ‘pandemic’ now just refers to the geographical spread, not the consequence.

105154 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #1445 of 1520 🔗

The Sun: Mum’s shame as man who ‘knocked out commuter in London station mask row’ revealed as scaffolder dad-o.

Is there any chance of us getting behind this guy? It’s plain to me that maskers are out-and-out harassing those that are legally exempt. Why should they be able to get away with it?

105174 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Tom Blackburn, 5, #1446 of 1520 🔗

This just in from Reverso-World:

“Brave passer by defends innocent employee from harrassment by agressive passenger”

105185 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1447 of 1520 🔗

Blimey – I just looked at the comments below this article – a bit different than on the DT! One comment suggests that 15 million have died from COVID.

105191 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Ozzie, 1, #1448 of 1520 🔗


105199 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Ozzie, 2, #1449 of 1520 🔗

Think he is implying that 15 million will die based on the 0.06% fatality rate stated in the comment above. Not sure how he works that out though. Still a fucking idiot regardless.

105220 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sarigan, #1450 of 1520 🔗

Probably no idea how to work %ages.

105264 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan, #1451 of 1520 🔗


105187 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #1452 of 1520 🔗

Very suspicious when articles making out non-mask wearers are thugs are published – fits the government narrative. There is a very strong element of propaganda, some incidents are undoubtably staged. Social engineering by the media.

105210 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1453 of 1520 🔗

just looked at the article which includes a photo of the guy that was hit .. Photo has him pointing at a wear a mask sign .. so that justifies his harassment of non wearers?. He has a weasel face that you would want to slap

105229 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to mjr, #1454 of 1520 🔗

And he should be arrested by the fashion police

105282 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to mjr, #1455 of 1520 🔗

unintended consequences!

105172 RickH, replying to RickH, 6, #1456 of 1520 🔗

Just a shout for a recent CEBM update on surveillance of respiratory tract infections in the community :

What we can say is there are low circulating levels of acute respiratory infections, lower respiratory infections and COVID-19 in the community that require consultations with general practice. The levels of suspected COVID-19 have not reached epidemic consultation levels and are dropping dramatically.”

See: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/what-does-rcgp-surveillance-tell-us-about-covid-19-in-the-community/

Basically – the incidence of Covid has never reached the level of the accepted definition of ‘epidemic’ within the wider community.

Now – this may partly be due to social distancing (i.e the sort that Sweden adopted voluntarily) in terms of the April/May figures – but , given the above, and the data from hospital admissions, ICU occupancy and deaths in hospital – we mare in a Catch-22 situation, since the constructors of the narrative will be claiming that it is the imposition of restrictions that is keeping the Scary Fairy away – not the natural process of viral decline and growth in immunity.

105209 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to RickH, 6, #1457 of 1520 🔗

Decision tree below covers what the narrative will be:

105184 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1458 of 1520 🔗

Oh shit! We’re done for now. From The Telegraph coronavirus live [bad news] feed:

Coronavirus particles could spread through plumbing systems

Researchers who discovered coronavirus particles in the bathroom of an unoccupied apartment in Guangzhou, China have suggested that the airborne pathogen may have wafted upwards through drain pipes, echoing of a large SARS outbreak in Hong Kong 17 years ago.

Traces of SARS-CoV-2 were detected in February on the sink, faucet and shower handle of a long-vacant apartment, researchers at the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention said in a study published this month in Environment International. The contaminated bathroom was directly above the home of five people confirmed a week earlier to have Covid-19.

The scientists conducted “an on-site tracer simulation experiment” to see whether the virus could be spread through waste pipes via tiny airborne particles that can be created by the force of a toilet flush. They found such particles, called aerosols, in bathrooms 10 and 12 levels above the Covid-19 cases.

Two cases were confirmed on each of those floors in early February, raising concern that SARS-CoV-2-laden particles from stool had drifted into their homes via plumbing.

So the little bugger “wafts upwards through drain pipes”, does it? I wonder how it navigates the u-bends, present in all First World plumbing systems?

105189 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1459 of 1520 🔗

Good job then that it’s not a particularly dangerous disease that we would need to worry about more than, say, flu.

105198 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1460 of 1520 🔗

Probably carried by the rats that swim round the bends!

105201 ▶▶ John Ballard, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1461 of 1520 🔗

And I’m sure we can all believe everything the Chinese say after they have ruined half the worlds economies and seemingly assisted in getting countries locked down via social media. Still amazed no “sellers” have come up with a “notfromchina.com” site for people to buy from after what they have done.

105205 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1462 of 1520 🔗
105219 ▶▶ annie, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1463 of 1520 🔗

Beware the Toilet of Doom.
Covid death lurks in the smallest room.
Don’t pull that chain,
Or you’ll never wee again.

105268 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, 1, #1464 of 1520 🔗

Except virtually, on Zoom.

105279 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, #1465 of 1520 🔗

As Basil Brush would say, ‘Boom-boom!”

105225 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1466 of 1520 🔗

There are toilets in schools and businesses. Everyone must stay home and dig a longdrop. Not sure what to advise if you live in a flat.

105242 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Charlie Blue, #1467 of 1520 🔗

Watch Blackadder the Second for practical advice.

105236 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1468 of 1520 🔗

I guess I need to stop drinking toilet water. Oh well…..

105188 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1469 of 1520 🔗

Can anybody point me to the article where somebody ran the Swedish data through Ferguson’s model and got a huge number of deaths?


105261 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Mark, #1471 of 1520 🔗


105213 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Lockdown Truth, #1472 of 1520 🔗

Not sure where from though

105218 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to NickR, 3, #1473 of 1520 🔗

Now that’s what I call a link!!


That’s easier…

105241 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to NickR, 3, #1474 of 1520 🔗

I’ve just typed your link out and it didn’t work, could you check through if anything is didgit missing – many thanks

105215 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lockdown Truth, 3, #1475 of 1520 🔗

I batter those who still uphold Ferguson’s model by pointing out that Sweden saved a higher %age of it’s population than the UK by subtracting the actual deaths (according to Worldometers) from the predicted “do-nothing” scenario numbers. Do-nothing Sweden saved 0.88% of its population and lockdown UK 0.70%.

105217 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #1476 of 1520 🔗

Not sure where from though

105252 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to NickR, #1478 of 1520 🔗


105207 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 10, #1479 of 1520 🔗
105216 ▶▶ Liam, replying to 2 pence, 4, #1480 of 1520 🔗

Honest young woman!

105226 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to 2 pence, 5, #1481 of 1520 🔗

Her name is Louise Hampton and she is a genuine hero. Not sure she’ll be in post tomorrow………. but she deserves praise and support.

105238 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Winston Smith, 2, #1482 of 1520 🔗

Send here a message of support. I have just done so. Imagine if we all did here, how good that would make her feel. This is her Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/louisewilson83

105248 ▶▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Bella, 2, #1483 of 1520 🔗

I’ve just messaged her with my thanks.

105228 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to 2 pence, 2, #1484 of 1520 🔗

I really wish the MSM would pick this up, even an alleged comedy show like HIGNFY would do it.

105212 Mr Dee, 2, #1485 of 1520 🔗

Here’s a funny thing.

Go to this site:


Type in ‘vaccination’

(However, please scroll down the page – there’s plenty of other words that equate to the same number).

Made me laugh, anyway.

105221 annie, 25, #1486 of 1520 🔗

There are those radiant little moments…
Out riding today, passed by a bus empty except for driver (un- muzzled) and one jolly young mum, un-muzzled, with two jolly little girls, all beaming and waving. I beamed and waved back.
Horse was not impressed, said the weather was rotten and there was nothing to smile about, but was out-voted.

105239 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1487 of 1520 🔗

Just discovered this on the google search home page, I think it was designed to persuade we sceptics how we are wrong – but it would work just as well for us to explain to the irrationally fearful bewetters we they are infact irrationally fearful.


105260 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1488 of 1520 🔗

Yes, the author has no self-awareness. Everything he says about those pesky ‘other’ people are true of himself and his intended audience. He just instantly makes the assumption that non-mask wearers are stupid, ignorant and knowingly irresponsible while he and his readers are educated, virtuous and right.

105240 Edna, 12, #1489 of 1520 🔗

Another excellent piece from Dr. John Lee in the Spectator this week:


It’s behind the paywall and I’m afraid I can’t précis it in just a few sentences,  but here are the final two paragrahps:

There is still so much we do not even begin to understand, but one thing has been clear for months: this virus is similar to other viruses we have lived with for generations. And there is very little evidence to support the benefits of the lockdown measures.

The case for returning to normal life is simple: the social, economic and public health costs of not doing so are far greater. With the Covid hospital cases in Britain now running at 96 per cent below their peak, we can reasonably ask whether the overall situation might not be as bleak as we first feared and whether now is the time to get the country moving again.

Definitely well worth reading in full if you have access

105243 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #1490 of 1520 🔗


 From the US Univ of Virgina
“And tonight’s winner for higher education insanity goes to Univ. Virginia
each student “must maintain a distance of 6 feet AT ALL TIMES FROM ALL OTHER PEOPLE.”
Or face immediate semester-long suspension “at a minimum.” They said it, not me

105247 ▶▶ Edna, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1491 of 1520 🔗

Dear Lord, what on earth are they thinking? Perhaps the person who wrote this was on LSD?
“There will be no warnings – the stakes are too high” – it’s not the blinking plague, for goddness’ sake!!

105253 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Edna, 4, #1492 of 1520 🔗

It’s a plague of stupidity.

105254 ▶▶▶▶ Edna, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #1493 of 1520 🔗

Sadly, I think you are absolutely right.

105250 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1494 of 1520 🔗

UVA is a highly respected university, or at least it was in the past. It’s located in Charlottesville, which may be one small US city you might recognise because of the white supremacist tiki torch march a while back. It’s a lovely town. It’s also where Thomas Jefferson’s estate, Monticello, is located. I used to visit often when I lived in Washington, D.C.

I looked up the Dean who published the notice and she really does exist. She’s made a laughingstock of the University. I hope students raise a ruckus, but my expectations are really low these days.

105287 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to ConstantBees, #1495 of 1520 🔗

She’s a boggart! Ridikulus!

105258 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1496 of 1520 🔗

According to DT In the US, a liberal arts college in Michigan came under fire last week after it emerged that students would be required to download a contact tracing app, called Aura, which will track the locations of its almost 1,500 students in real-time.Not only was the app able to track student movements, it would report if a student left the college campus without permission, supposedly increasing the risk they could bring coronavirus onto the site, and revoke their access to buildings and their student ID automatically. If students turned off location tracking on their phones, they could even be suspended.

105246 LGDTLK, 13, #1497 of 1520 🔗

I look at the local “Live” stories a couple of times a day (Birmingham) via the FB feeds. As you know these are the online remnants of what used to be proud, independent local papers now mainly owned by national media like Reach. They have been fully on board with all the fear porn and corona panic since day 1. Now very noticeable that the comments appearing underneath each story are almost totally sceptical. This has turned round completely in the last couple of weeks. The opprobrium that was dumped on last weeks stories when we were being threatened with a local lockdown was quite refreshing. Todays stories on the €13 a day quarantine bribe and some poor teacher complaining about “stepping into the unknown” on return day are universally sceptical. Beginning to think we may have turned a corner.

105249 NonCompliant, replying to NonCompliant, 4, #1498 of 1520 🔗

Has anyone who contacted their MP had an encouraging response?

3 weeks and still no reply from the 2 I wrote to.

My first was written like a fact finding mission for them. I wanted them to look at the data from NHS England (links provided etc) and justify their silence.

My second is gonna have the latest data printed and attached to the letter lol. Since i’m outta work after tomorrow I may even deliver it in person !

105257 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NonCompliant, 1, #1499 of 1520 🔗

I think there have been a couple of slightly encouraging replies that people have written about but the vast majority have been standard party line stuff

105263 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to NonCompliant, 1, #1500 of 1520 🔗

I understand that MPs will only respond to their own constituents, so if you wrote to two of them, at least one won’t respond.

105280 ▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1501 of 1520 🔗

Well, I posted by mail and I omitted my locality on the address for the one who’s no longer my MP in the hope that they’d not bother to double check the postcode. All 3 MP’s for my area have constituents with the same first three characters so they’d have to bother to check.

105292 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to NonCompliant, 1, #1502 of 1520 🔗

They have assistants that check. I emailed Desmond Swayne about his comments against masks, and though he is not my MP he answered me, though all he did was thank me for my support.

I personally think it is worth writing to your MP periodically to remind them that people are watching them, and they may lose votes. If they are in a safe set, which most MPs are, they may not care, but if enough people do then they will start to feel uncomfortable.

They also probably don’t suffer overly from a conscience, but some who feel uneasy about what’s happening might take on board some of the comments, even if they don’t acknowledge it.

105262 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, #1503 of 1520 🔗

Ignore, posted in error!

105275 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Sarigan, #1504 of 1520 🔗

Was that the French professor? If so, it was excellent. It should be compulsory viewing for our idiot politicians.

105295 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Tenchy, #1505 of 1520 🔗

Yep, thought it was a new one but was the old one.

105266 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 1, #1506 of 1520 🔗

Some very interesting examples of media propaganda in the Dollar Vigilante episode today – apparently 88% of women find mask wearing men sexier. I am absolutely amazed at the lengths they will go to get the easily fooled to comply. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZLB4re5x0k

105278 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to Darryl, 8, #1507 of 1520 🔗

Tell that to a rape victim who’s been attacked by a masked person.

105283 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Telpin, 5, #1508 of 1520 🔗

I would really have to question the morals of the people who come up with these types of articles, they come up with what I would heavily suspect are completely fake made up survey results. I think a lot of people who virtual signal and love their masks now won’t like them in the winter on a dark evening when people are going around hooded and masked – it will be frightening for many people.

105378 ▶▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Darryl, #1509 of 1520 🔗

Couldn’t agree more Darryl. All the value and security of CCTV and the comfort it brings to lone female travellers – nullified in one fell swoop. None of these measures has been fully thought through. There’s a reason for having proper debate and process before new laws are passed ( including full cost/ benefit analysis). Something those who cared about democratic accountability before but since CoVid seem to have junked it completely, will come to realise with ( hopefully) both regret and hubris. I live in hope…

105281 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Darryl, 4, #1510 of 1520 🔗

Not me! I might be a curmudgeonly sceptic, but I think most men-in-masks fall into these categories: right-on pretentious virtue signallers; sinister bank robbers-lite; silly old duffers or mannikins.

105285 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to wendyk, 3, #1511 of 1520 🔗

If it looks like an article made up to serve an agenda, I heavily suspect that is the case. ‘Covid-19’ is almost entirely now a propaganda war between the authorities and the increasingly sceptical public – even the main stream media admits hospital cases are close to zero (although it doesn’t highlight it).

105336 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Darryl, 1, #1512 of 1520 🔗

That’s strange, I find the opposite.

105270 Mark Mitchell, replying to Mark Mitchell, 1, #1514 of 1520 🔗

biggest problem with face masks/coverings: N95 protects one from virus, but lets virus out; the other masks supposedly stop virus getting out, so protecting others, but may let it in.

So in essence everyone should be wearing the same kind to be effective. Government and VIPs wear N95, so they don’t give a damn about everyone else.

105551 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark Mitchell, #1515 of 1520 🔗

Not me. Another new Mark

105274 wendyk, 5, #1516 of 1520 🔗


Some refreshingly sensible writers at The Critic.

This article is a boost for the Sceptics.

But rather too many academic references; however, the message is plain and simple: masking amounts to a mass dumbing down, as we know.

105286 stefarm, 3, #1517 of 1520 🔗


Why I wear my mask. Welcome to the masquerade

105300 Victoria, #1518 of 1520 🔗

Then if you ask them if the parent has type 1 or type 2 diabetes, they have no idea that if you have type 1 diabetes that you are not ‘more vulnerable’ to Covid-19

105302 stefarm, 1, #1519 of 1520 🔗

Latest radio news bulletin

Infections down 8% testing up 3%.
20odd fines issued for not wearing a mask, transport secretary claiming 1 in 10 not wearing a mask.

Tide turning?

Oh and Paul Pogba tested positive so left out if the France squad. He is shit anyway so no big deal.

105303 mjr, #1520 of 1520 🔗

THURSDAY’S PAGE has just walked in , red faced and wheezing because it was wearing a mask


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