2020-08-29

I know Brits are very defensive of the NHS but… 7.5 weeks average waiting time in cardiology!? C’mon…

Also, first. When do i get my club member card?

Not all of them, just the sheep suffering from cognitive dissonance who recite a variation of “Wah, wonder of the world, wah it’s really cheap, most americans can’t afford health care and are left to die in the street, NHS being sold to Trump by eeevil tories etc etc”, then there is the blanket refusal to look at Oz or Austria for example as better systems for health outcomes.

Nor those whose relatives have died or become more seriously ill as a result of the NHS failing to deliver the services for which we have all our working lives.
These people have suffered not because Covid but because Reckless Lockdown.

That’s an issue about the political influence on the running of the NHS – i.e. the dire effect of this Tory government confecting this Covid narrative.

Unfortunately for your wish to blame the Tory govt, we aren’t thebonly country undergoing lockdown lunacy, police state behaviour and general maskholeness.

There is an answer of sorts and it is to remove politicians from the running of the health care system as thay have done in other countries.

The comparison with the massively expensive and inefficient failure of the US system just happens to be true. Lame market-driven hobby-horses from don’t strengthen the core argument here.

Why are you comparing the NHS with the US when there are 20 variations on Bismarkian social insurance to compare it with or indeed Australia or Japan.
https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/an-australian-style-co-payments-system-for-healthcare

In the NHS you pay by time not money. You can’t jump to the top of the queue just because you have a wad of cash and a mild sense of unease about your angina.

People are in a priority queue based upon clinical need, not ability to pay. And we don’t have enough cardiologists – largely because quite a few work in the private medical system as well.

If the UK wanted to reduce waiting times overall, we’d have to close private hospitals that are currently using scarce cardiologists to treat people with money rather than people with need.

In any supply limited system, medicine and education being the main ones, private will necessarily poach from the public one.

Supply expansion of cardiologists takes decades – assuming you can find any more people with the ability and desire to be one.

And if you close off the route to private practice for cardiologists, then you reduce the supply of cardiologists because fewer people will want to be a cardiologist if they have no route to earning extra money on top of their NHS salary. C.f. also oncologists, surgeons and any other specialisms.

And what would they do instead that is going to pay them any more?

You can only reduce the supply if there is an alternative for them (which is what happens at the nursing level). And please don’t use the “go abroad” line. If they were going to do that they’d have done it already. Family and social ties hold people in a place – even cardiologists.

Public health is a monopoly, and monopoly rules apply.

This idea that private provision does anything other than poach capacity is another “private good, public bad” fantasy. They don’t really get involved in training.

I don’t know – train to do something different in the first place? If they’re already trained, then move to a different country with a different system where they can earn more money practicing their specialism? Or retire a little earlier than they otherwise would, rather than work just as hard for a reduced income? There isn’t a finite stock of proto-cardiologists sitting around destined to become only that. As you’ve noted, it takes a long time to take someone with relevant A levels, put them through medical school and relevant training until they’re at the level of knowledge and experience to become a consultant cardiologist. Many people put themselves through that process at least partly because of the rewards available at the end in terms of income. Any system that demands that people act purely out of altruism is destined for failure.

Totally agree with you Matt. Relatives of ours which are consultants would be businesswomen instead.

“As you’ve noted, it takes a long time to take someone with relevant A levels, put them through medical school and relevant training until they’re at the level of knowledge and experience to become a consultant cardiologist. Many people put themselves through that process at least partly because of the rewards available at the end in terms of income.”

But in the UK hasn’t the state and society more generally paid for a lot of that education? This sounds a bit like a company that uses all of the public highways not wanting to pay road tax. Is there no more idealism connected to being a physician? Does the NHS pay so poorly that no cardiologist would be caught dead serving the NHS patient cohort? Especially since (in the USA, at least), I believe the poor have MORE heart problems than wealtlhier demographic groups.

Anyone who earns a professional degree can choose whether to go into the public or the private sector also as, e.g., a teacher, an atty) . But to assume that getting trained involves NO debts to society and that you are actively SUFFERING and DISADVANTAGED if you choose to work honorably in the public sector—IMO that does not wash. In fact t his attitude is the reason so many professionals have seen drastic drops in the respect they get from society in general. Greed. People who jsut wanna make money should go to work in the City .

I know a couple of UK doctors (spouses of relatives) and they had wonderful practices and careers with the NHS. I think one had private patients one or two days per week. Being a physician one of my in-laws was able to access some special care (a new protocol developed in a particular hospital) for his wife when she developed a rare form of leukemia. I felt that this was mete because he had devoted 90% of his career to being a caring general practitioner within the NHS.

Good points. Thank you.

Come and work in private sector clinical research, where pay for decent physicians is double or more what the NHS pays, and you don’t have to get your hands dirty.

But I suppose someone who would ban private practice because someone else needs my labour but won’t pay for it would also ban that option. And before we know it we would be living in an old eastern bloc-style state where the border guards have their guns pointing inwards.

The NHS does not ‘ban’ private practice. There is plenty of room for that.

Most of them have already gone abroad, that’s how they got here.

I think we (the UK) should tell doctors that with IT we can effecytvely do without the 7 year training program to produce doctors. I serious;y think doctors don’t realise they are a short step away from superfluous.

What a load of crap!

While not agreeing with all you say the NHS does rely on rationing by waiting list hoping that you might cure yourself, go private or die before they have to do anything.
I have done both the first and second (chiropractor for pain relief) but not yet the third.

What is really needed are small health centres where lifestyle, nutrition exercise and proper old fashioned health spa therapies are used. Help in holistic and vitamin supplementation etc. to have a preventative approach before any more radical treatments are needed.

They called them Cottage Hospitals when I were lad, had my tonsils out at mine but they were mostly closed down only to be replaced with PFI Community Health Centres for NHS Trusts to play pass the parcel with.

That is just what I say to people who talk about more funding for the NHS – what we really need is a complete healthcare re-think!

Good idea, great ideal even… but at the risk of sounding negative I’m not convinced it will happen, certainly not on a widespread scale. Good health makes a lot of sense. It does not make a lot of money!

Let’s be honest, once you’ve stopped working and thus no longer contribute to the economy, the government would like you to die. It’s cheaper.

The lesson his that we should focus on prevention because we cannot depend on care from the NHS

I agree. I have been trying since the beginning of December to get a diagnosis and treatment, other than just painkillers, from the NHS.
Gave up and contacted a registered chiropractor and was diagnosed and treatment begun 2 days later.

I agree 100% with the principle of a national health service.

The “private good public bad” idea has some merit too though just because although private companies are often run by bungling and corrupt muppets they can only aspire to the level of excellence in those fields that even quite good governments are capable of.

Almost all private hospitals are currently closed anyway. They government had comedeered them all for the vast wave of non existent Covid deaths.

These are still comedeered and are basically not allowed to treat anyone else.

A friend who works for a drug supply company told me this a few weeks ago, then this weeks telegraph planet normal podcast confirmed it when a doctor confirmed it to Alison Pearson.

I have been using private hospitals since May as NHS is useless. Cardio, GI, etc. Not closed.

Our local “private” hospital was shut up tight. Wife couldn’t get a scan done until 2 weeks ago. Been waiting for a new appointment since march

Indeed.

Happened to swing by our local private hospital about six weeks ago, usually car park is jammed tight but only a handful of cars and a couple of lights on. It looked pretty much closed. It’s a Spires hospital so not sure about other private hospitals.

Our local Spires has been block-booked by the NHS. A friend going for NHS prostate treatment said he was the only patient.

In addition my friend told me the government had at the start told all the drug supply companies “we want as much of drugs xyz as you can get”
So all the supply companies stockpiled the drugs. Then a month or so in, no one needing the drugs so they still have warehouses full of them.

The issue is all this happened so fast there were no contracts in place, just letters of intent. Now the drug companies want paying but the government are refusing to pay up using the excuse that. “Second wave” is imminent and they will need the supplies then! My friend said it’s already with the lawyers…..

The same thing happed with the private hospitals. They turned away all their other patients to make room for the government expected pandemic. No contacts….. hospitals still closed and basically empty, expecting the government to pay for the empty beds.

What do their paying customers/subscribers/members have to say about that?

Just so at my local Nuffield though they are now taking a few non Covid NHS patients to ease the backlog.

I think the fundamental issue at the moment is not that we have to account for time lag in providing qualified doctors for specific areas – that should be normal future planning..
The problem is that the NHS has been virtually closed for 6 months to anything other than Covid and related illnesses. Hence the empty hospitals and lengthened waiting lists for treatments.

If you have a wad of cash you don’t use the NHS, unless you are showboating like Boris Johnson.

yes – i am booking my impending stress related heart attack for middle of October . I think i can hold it off until then

You may jest,but UK Column were reporting a few months ago about an appointment being needed for A&E.
Envy of the world

How does one contact the editor to send some material?

See the last link at the bottom of the daily “shameless begging” section above

Stupidity is trending and it’s a very contagious disease.

It’s congenital. And chronic, but flares up from time to time, though never so badly as now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkszQA4RBVE

At around hour 2 25 minutes Seb Gorka interviews Mike Graham. They talk about the Last Night of the Proms and other subjects.

Interesting question at the beginning of that, “If Trump self identified as a woman, would that make him the first female president of the US?” I can’t see him doing it!

But it would create a very interesting development in wokeism!

IDK… maybe! Reminds me of the story about the British Rapper, Zuby who walked into the gym, identified as female, and then proceeded to immediately break the women’s deadlifting record ?!

“Those who can make you believe in absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”
Voltaire.

Great video examining this in relation to lockdown.
YouTube Dave Cullen
channel = computing forever

(sorry, can’t do links from an Android).

To say that 2020 has caused me to self-reproach for choosing to live in a Blue State would be an understatement. But at least it’s not Melbourne – so far.

Picked up my prescription from CVS this week and the pharmacist asked me if I would like a flu shot. Easy No and she was fine with it. Could have prefaced it with Hell to the F, after what I experienced in 2019 when acquiescing to a flu shot for the first time ever, during my annual physical.

I had severe flu in my late 20’s that kept me in bed for 7 days. But never since then.

This flu vaccine last year… best way I can sum up its effect is that if I drew a line of latitude across the top of my nose and another line just below my shoulders, in between those lines it felt like I was swimming in garbage. Not a facsimile of illness – actual pollution.

So I don’t know if the Covid vaccine will be enforced at the end of a gun barrel, but it feels reassuring to have had at least one practice run of saying no to the needle.

‘No’ is becoming a very important word.

This is where the silver lining of mass stupidity may appear for us.

There will probably be enough gullible Idiots out there who will dive head first into the vaccine programme that governments won’t feel the need to mandate it.

They created the hysteria, let them take the bullet for the rest of us and provide us with the artificial herd immunity. Hopefully the side effects won’t be too bad for them.

Great point. The Covidista will want to achieve Neil Ferguson’s herd immunity threshold with the vaccine. It’s looking as though ~85% of people are gullible idiots who will rush straight over the top and take the first vaccine they are offered. In fact, they will take great pleasure from it, signalling their virtue in no uncertain terms. So there should be no need to mandate the vaccine.

Of course, the Covidista will know this, and it will irritate them that the independent minded minority are getting away with it. So I think they will still push to make it mandatory. It will be posited as ‘insurance’ or a ‘safety margin’.

Yes, useful Guinea Pigss the lot of them if they think a novel vaccine can be properly tested in a couple of months

My optician, married to someone who works for Astra Zeneca, assures me that it will be quite safe because they’re using ‘dead DNA’ and that they develop a new flu vaccine every year so the fact that it’s only taking a few months is fine.

Having had a similar experience to Arkleston with the 2018 flu vaccine (quite likely one of the worst decisions I ever made since I believe it led to lots of respiratory problems which I still have) I do not feel very reassured. MW

p.s. I love Barney’s ‘going over the top’ analogy.

Never had a flu jab, despite in recent years GP, my employer & pharmacies all pushing it at me.

I already suffer from bronchial problems and if I get an infection I find it very difficult to shift, on occasion having to resort to antibiotics, if it gets extremely bad.

So what MW about flu jab leading to respiratory problems, fill me with fear.

You are very sensible and I don’t want to fearmonger (we have experts for that ). Anyway, I am asthmatic so I caved in to medical pressure to have the flu jab in autumn 2018. Interestingly, there were shortages that year and I felt ‘lucky’ to finally get one at our local pharmacy. James Corbett has a view on big pharma creating shortages to encourage vaccine take-up which was an aspect I hadn’t considered but of course it now seems obvious.

I can’t prove that the flu jab led to a 2019 with almost chronic and ever-worsening respiratory problems – it might have happened anyway – but some instinct made me reluctant to have another jab in late 2019 by which time I had developed quite severe bronchitis. My GP and the practice nurse did their damndest but I stuck to my guns. Given it was last December I don’t think I had CV19 but I’ll never know. AG caught it 3 weeks later.

Since then I have seen numerous references to studies indicating that the 2019 flu jab made people more prone to CV19. I think the correlation was first noticed in the US (military) and in Italy where it seemed to make the vulnerable elderly more prone to a serious bout of CV19.

I’ve checked online and, of course, the ‘fact-checkers’ are now all over this so it can’t be true, can it? But I did find these possibly ‘fringe’ sources:

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/04/no_author/new-study-the-flu-vaccine-is-significantly-associated-with-an-increased-risk-of-coronavirus/

‘Doctor Murray’ and the ‘Gateway Pundit’ sites also carry the story.

So, Dave, your sound instincts may well have protected you. And the good news is that we’re both fine, albeit with residual slight coughs and catarrh but we’re really fit for our ages and yomp up hills on foot and our bikes. We’ll resist mandatory vaccines as long as we’re able. MW

I have never had the flu jab, despite blandishments. I don’t get sick and rarely even have a cold. But three years ago I got very sick in February. My sister, too, and some others. Really bad (headache, bad sore throat, lung congestion, couldn’t eat, headache, diarrhoea—the works, had to sleep all day), knocked me out for about two weeks (lost five pounds) and then took about three weeks to recover strength.

My reason for mentioning this is that I assume that that was a bad flu, and that I got some **** antibodies*** from it just for dealing with it and recovering.
No illness of any kind since then.
Not taking any jabs at all.

This is why I welcome the odd illness with open arms. I don’t take a thing and just let my body deal with it. My last bout of the flu was almost 20 years ago

My my she should stick to eyes – she is absolutely clueless

They don’t intend to let anyone escape. That’s why they are developing the vaccine passports.

I think Save To Death is correct, life is going to be made difficult for those not accepting the vaccines.

Do not necessarily think it will be mandatory, but formally simple pleasures will be made difficult or impossible.

Public transport, not if you are not vaccinated, breakfast at a cafe, not if you are not vaccinated, etc. etc.

i keep hearing this but that would require a massive electronic control grid where everyone is checked at every entrance. It ain’t gonna happen. They don’t know what they are doing, they are useless. Life will get back to normal slavery, you know why? Because it’s not stopped.

It’s already up and running in China Biker, every aspect of your life run by facial recognition; they don’t track your phone or your card they track you.

Enemy Of The State, Eddie Murphy, didn’t go nearly far enough in showing how they can cancel you at will.

They can read your face through a mask btw.

Not going so well, apparently: https://www.activistpost.com/2020/08/wearing-masks-stumps-facial-recognition-algorithms.html

Meanwhile:

https://www.activistpost.com/2020/08/robocop-is-here-new-police-helmet-scans-for-covid-19-and-uses-facial-recognition.html
MW

Inclined to agree. Also look at other countries that have had to maintain large electronic databases with personal records – Israel, hacked. 7-odd million records. India, hacked. 1 billion records, inc. intimate personal info. Criminals will have no need for a vaccine passport; they will just take someone else’s!

If the side effects include infertility it will reduce the number of future zombies, can’t be bad.

Urgh, I used to feel so lucky that I was a Melburnian. Now my city is being used by sceptics as one of the worst places. It’s miserable here, the rest of the country also has treated us like pariahs and forcing us to go for this elimination nonsense.

at least you are not venezuelan like me

Tell us the worst, Lorenzo. We need to know.

Hi Caramel, I am sorry and furious for what you are going through. I send you good wishes and positive thoughts. As long as resistance exists in the minds of the oppressed, there is always hope.

I know! I always hoped to visit Melbourne because it was number 1 on some of those “quality of life” lists. What a shame—such a basically healthy city being reduced to a prison.

My friend is from Melbourne. I am from UK. I visited once about 30 years ago and it was a lovely place. Sadly he has bought right into the panic – the twat. He even said Alan Jones should be shot and pissed on. I had to unfollow him on FB due to the amount of CV drivel he was posting. I have no desire to go there ever again.

Points arising from Toby’s topics today

Hospital waiting lists.
There are no waiting lists locally for Orthopaedics or Ophthalmology, just lots of people waiting since both departments are still given over to the Covid in anticipation of the Second Wave. So nothing is happening there at all.

Dead Children
We have known that just 6 children died for months and thankfully no more have died since. They chose not to celebrate this at some earlier time because it would not have promoted Project Fear.
For people who think they are clever at manipulating the public’s opinion they left it a bit late to “Reveal” this now in an attempt to persuade the population, that thay have scared, that it is safe to send their children to school.

Quarantine
Quarantine Compliance is checked by an outfit called Isolation Ensure/ance (their word sp ?), an offshoot of Track’n’Trace.
They phone the recently returned to asses their Compliance and, so I am told, they can tell by the tone of your voice if you are fibbing and put that in their little report.

Ryanair man dragged of plane.
Yesterday (Friday 28/8 BBC R2) one of Jeremy Vines guests ( didn’t catch his name, presumably authoritative) surprised him by saying that self-isolation after being contacted by Track’n’Trace was advisory only and not law. The best that Jeremy could come back with was that “surely people have a moral duty to comply ?”
Dunno if the guest was going off script or if JV is sensing a change in attitudes.

WHO
Yesterday on the Today Programme Nick interviewed an American about Trump, the WHO came up with her saying
“the WHO has a great deal to answer for, it is responsible for the death of U.S. Citizens.”

Nick barked/spat back loudly
‘THE WHO, ? !’
in a tone of outraged anger that made me laugh out loud.

Dead children … I remember a report on one of the newborns in the Daily Fail, which stated categorically that there was nothing else wrong with it.

Did you hear another caller to JV yesterday get away with citing NZ as an example of what we should have done…we then had the usual complete change of subject that he does every 30 minutes so no further discussion of the subject.

No I missed that part but, to be fair, the show is designed to have three topics to discuss each day.

Early in lockdown there was a media furore about Londoners ‘invading’ Brockwell (?) Park, X,000s were described as lockdown louts.
JV crunched the numbers and came up with 1 visitor per acre per daylight hour. His finest hour having since got back in line.

Brockwell Park – home of the Krishnamurti School – J. Krishnamurti (now deceased) being a popular guru/spiritual teacher at one time. Can’t imagine his followers as ‘lockdown louts’! Ha ha.They tended to be very wealthy as a rule (1 visitor per acre sounds about right) .if anyone’s interested they have a very nice retreat centre not far from Southampton.

When is the Spectator going to campaign for an end to ALL Covid restrictions and the repeal of the monstrous Coronaviris Act 2020?
Fraser knows it should happen.

Toby knows it.
Ross Clarke
Dr John Lee

Macron not ruling out another full lockdown. Parisians interviewed in saying they agree with the new law saying masks must be worn outside.

This EVIL BRAINWASHING isn’t ending.

Sure surprised by the enthusiasm shown by Parisians but then again I’m sure their MSM feed is just as lethal as in any other Western democracy (so-called)
I’m sure there must be some of our kind in that wonderful city.

There will be. I lived there and know that they are seriously cynical about their politicians. They lived through far darker days than us in the war and whilst there are very few still alive from those days many children and grandchildren know the stories.

My retired mum and dad went for a short city break to Paris, a ‘Youth’ pinched her handbag below the Eiffel Tower, part of the Paris Ecperience I told her upon their return.

But was he masked and did he socially distance?. That is all that is important these days.

I expect he was masked and running away would count as social distancing

I was in Marseille last weekend. Huge signs everywhere saying masks compulsory. Almost no one wearing them. No police control. Before that in Malaga. Same rules. Police cars roaming the streets. Everyone putting masks on when they see the police. Is it because France had a much shorter experience of fascism ?

One thing it does say is that everybody over there except the ultra-zombies knows that masks are useless except as an instrument of state ontrol.

I watched on Italian TV News. Of course, they only showed pro mask people

I think they would assume they were not allowed to show any opposing. Cox pop is always fake.

Vox pop sorry, autocorrect

no i think cox pox sums it up nicely

Anti-mask demonstration planned for Place de la Nation this afternoon

I just filled in a survey about masks on Local Live online (mirror news group) giving suitable skeptic responses and a redundant email just to see the results.
They did not give the results and the ‘comment here’ button led to an error message. Perhaps we are giving them the wrong answers.

It sounds as if all the governments are getting the same order: You haven’t trashed your countries enough yet so more full lockdowns required. The 2nd wave propaganda is relentless, as you say evil brainwashing – and it works! MW

Yep I had to briefly endure my fellow golfers all talking about the impending 2nd wave while walking up the 18th fairway last weekend. Luckily my tee shot had gone right while the rest of them were well left of me. We had managed a Corona free round up until that point and unfortunately my strokes spiked upward on that final hole

“ NHS Hospitals Deserted ‘Like the Mary Celeste’”

Did we ever get good data and the full story on how vital the Great NHS Shutdown actually was back when it was introduced, back in the days of “flatten the curve”, at the peak of the epidemic in March and April? I recall seeing stories of barely used Nightingales, but what was the ICU usage at the peak and how close to capacity? I seem to recall reports that regional capacity was never exceeded, though presumably that was in part due to rapid expansion.

They turned various departments over to ICU at my local hospital, at Easter they had 80 Covid patients, 14 on ventilation most survived. Never reached full capacity. Local Nightingale was never used for Covid but is repurposed for catching up on the backlog.

London Nightingale only use a small part of its capacity probably because despite being built commendably quickly, Covid in London was in decline when it was commissioned

The data is available – sort of – but it will take some time to work out the answer.

The NHS has published daily data on admissions, beds occupied and mechanical ventilator beds occupied. I haven’t found it yet, but am fairly sure that data is also available on capacity per hospital/trust. The fact that I haven’t found it may mean either that it isn’t there, or that I just haven’t found it.

What this won’t take into account is capacity before the significant amount of resorganisation that went on in the first part of March, that dramatically increased ICU capacity (not including the Nightingales).

As I recall, there was one London hospital reporting that it was in danger of being “overtopped” and I don’t think I saw a single other report of anything similar (and I’m quite sure the BBC would have been all over the story if there had been more). The London Nightingale had 19 people in it at peak (again – from recollection).

However, I’m not sure if it’s possible to answer the question of whether ‘standard’ ICU capacity would have been exceeded if it hadn’t been significantly increased. Or at least, there probably is a way to do it, but I am not an investigative journalist and don’t want to spend the next week working it out.

Standard national ICU capacity is around 4,000 beds and standard utilisation is around 80%. This means that my semi-informed guess would be that a number of hospitals and trusts probably would have been “overwhelmed” for the course of a few weeks at the peak and that total national capacity would have been exceeded for a couple of weeks if the reorganisation hadn’t happened.

“ As I recall, there was one London hospital reporting that it was in danger of being “overtopped” “

I recall the anecdotal mention of a London hospital being “overwhelmed”, that David Starkey suggested played a part in panicking the government at the crucial moment.

Well, memory may play tricks, but I had thought that was after 23rd March. Might very well be wrong though.

That was Northwick Park. It has been overwhelmed before. It has a catchment area of Harrow and Wembley and beyond.

Error.

Northwick Park hospital,but it played no part in the decision to lockdown,that had already been made

It was reported on March 20th. Three weeks lockdown to “flatten the curve” while the NHS caught up might have been justifiable.

However, this prolonged foot-dragging and cruel cat-and mouse games are clearly about something else entirely and it doesn’t smell good.

Thank you, thank you, NHS
For all this mess.
You don’t impress
Me one bit.

Killer, killer NHS
Now confess
You are a cess
Pit
Of s..t.

clap, clap, clap.

Robert F Kennedy Jr. in Berlin with Ärtze Für Aufklärung
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zuiQ07DYJ4

That was an excellent watch.

thank you.

Excellent.

When I first watched, it continued to an address by RFK spelling out what is happening. Tried again, but it was missing. Very annoyed I didn’t grab the link. Does anyone have it?

Robert F Kennedy Jr sums up this moment so powerfully and succinctly – a great watch. Thanks for the link.

Robert F Kennedy Jr is a hero

I’m rapidly becoming a convert. Must admit was initially sceptical (‘oh jeez not another Kennedy…’) but he is very articulate and makes some very good arguments. Also, he was talking not long ago about his father’s assassination, he has been campaigning for a new trial for Sirhan & pointed out the massive flaws in the physical & ballistics evidence, inc. the fact that the gun introduced at trial, well it probably wasn’t even Sirhan’s gun! Kamala Harris at the time (California) was the one who took the decision to refuse to reopen the case.

He’s got the leadership qualities that are void in our leadership

Having read the headline and following the wonderful Karol Sikora on Twitter who has banging on the drum of missed and delayed treatments for the likes of cancer, I was thinking that we should change the name of the NHS (National Health Service) to either the:

No Health Service

or the

No Hope Service

Which do you prefer?

National Hancock Slavery

National Handcock no-Service

Notional Health Service

or

National Hysteria System

National Hysteria System – great!!!

In Ireland, the equivalent is the Health Service Executive (HSE) so I propose Hysteria Seeding Executive.

Notional Health Service gets my vote – genius!

National Covid Service.

National Hysteria Service.

Typical Coronavirus science report from the BBC.

Coronavirus: Children’s role in spread puzzles scientists https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53946420

For a start, it’s a report on a ‘study’, but it doesn’t include a link to the study. Why not? One might almost conclude that the BBC reserves the right to spin a narrative from a scientific report but be reluctant to be challenged on it.

Second it’s written in that patronising style where it answers its own ‘questions’. Goodness knows where this idea has come from, but it’s likely to be from the same place that suggests that full stops are too confrontational for today’s sensitive young people. Simple statements would be bruising to the ego of the reader so have to be softened by being the answer to an imaginary question, instead.

And finally, it’s an example of where Covid ‘science’ boils down to little more than opinion and narrative. For all the ‘research’ and the admonishment of ‘deniers’ and ‘sceptics’ that the ‘educated’ classes might indulge in, the final statement boils down to nothing more than what a man down the pub might tell you:

Dr DeBiasi believes that while the “vast majority of infected children have mild or unrecognised disease,” they may play an “important” role in enabling the spread of infection through communities.

This is what infuriates me. People pay lip service to science and its ‘objectivity’ when it suits them. (‘Professor’ Trish Greenhalgh no doubt thinks of herself as a scientist doing pure, objective research on the efficacy of face masks – while mooning out at us from her twitter page… in a mask).

The “South Korean study” in the BBC article (no other clues) seemingly fails to show that children spread Covid. But never mind. Another ‘scientist’ “believes” they “may” have an “important role” in doing it anyway.

Phrases like “logic dictates” always ring an alarm bell when they’re surrounded by such vague claims. They’re essentially saying “we have no evidence and have done no studies, but in the absence of anything useful – here are my preconceptions”.

Very true. I am going to save that comment and use it wherever I can. “Your preconceptions are not evidence”

We all get infuriated by media bias, but we should never be puzzled by it. The media are just supplying the goods they’ve been paid to supply:
https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.php
See para 6 especially.

By mistake posted in yesterdays edition.This is serious misinformation.Fake news

Warning.Fake news BBC this morning
Coronavirus: Children’s role in spread puzzles scientistsBBC says RNA fragments in high in PCR tests is the same as live transmissible virus.Dangerous misinformation.See the article quoted

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2770150

“Thus, we could not answer the question about infectivity and the infectious period in this cohort study”
“The detection of virus RNA in respiratory specimens in this study does not necessarily imply that viable virus is present. However, if proven infectious (because most of the children were asymptomatic, were presymptomatic, or had unrecognizable symptoms in this study), the transmission potential of SARS-CoV-2 in children and its effect on the community might be greater than expected.”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.25.20162107v2.full.pdf

“No live virus was isolated from any respiratory samples taken after day 8 of symptoms in three studies, or beyond day 9 despite persistently high viral RNA loads.”

Please defund the BBC

standard BBC approach.. For example on climate change the BBC report the findings, do not link to the study, and always mention that “scientists say…..” to give it authority , When the study is looked at, it doesnt say what the BBC says, or it is based on dodgy data and of course they never mention if the study is funded by the pro climate change lobby.

Total Covid 19:84 related deaths reported in all Europe yesterday: 339 out of 741,400,000 people. (worldometers website)

That’s down from a couple of days ago.

The second ripple is clearly over.

Hancock is a happy man as he scatters zombie fodder far and wide, aided and abetted by the faithful Beeb. Oh, and he’s going to cancel Christmas, of course.

Meanwhile, BBC2’s Newsnight reported that a “reasonable worse case planning assumption” presented to the Government said there could be up to 81,000 excess deaths directly attributed to Covid-19 between July and next March.
The broadcaster said the figures were in a document signed off by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) for the Cabinet Office at the end of July.
The document stressed that the figures represent a scenario, not a prediction, Newsnight said.

Sorry, lost the link, but it was in the DT.

I’ve got a scenario for them. Covid might have mutated into something more benign, it is not expected that many future cases will actually become ill. The government will probably include winter flu sufferers in public information which the public might choose not to believe. Realising they have been taken for fools this might well result in a tsunami of mask burning, maybe.

Christmas is already cancelled by my NHS Trust, staff have been told they must not organise or attend any of the usual departmental Xmas do’s.
This from a nurse who was looking forward to an informal late summer gathering at a tiny old fashioned riverside pub set in acres of grounds, use of gazebos booked in case of inclement weather which they were ordered to cancel because the Covid.

Love it how they can see three months ahead. Bit like when government cancelled exams, which in the end they easily could’ve held.

Christmas should be cancelled for the NHS so that they can catch up on the healthcare for the serious illnesses they have criminally neglected these past months and not for this scam.

Not the nurses fault Suzyv, they worked through the start of Covid despite being told by the press that it was like a return of the bubonic plague while management went home and left them to it.

It’s bedwetting knobhead managers ‘working from home’ pretending to do something in the Fight Against Covid.

We made our curry house manager laugh last night by telling him we were really sorry that Eid got screwed up but, if it was any comfort, they were going to cancel Christmas as well. Grim humour but we will not be cowed! MW

I self-cancelled last Christmas and New Year. Everything was just so incredibly shit back then I decided to totally flip the whole thing off. I didn’t engage with it at all. Back then, with the bastard Tories and the MSM trashing Corbyn, the May Bot, the mendacious suspension of parliment, the mendacious fake ellection, the Australian fires, the brainwashed public, climate change bullshit reaching a fever pitch…all of that made me feel very UN-“Christmasey”.

I just felt alienated and miserable, with no hope for a better year ahead. I could see the clouds of totalitarian fascism gathering.

This is from the ‘leaked Sage report’ and was on BBC website today (sorry, but ‘know thine enemy’ is the watchword so I do visit that site).

The variables are comical:
The figures, which the scientists say have a wide range of uncertainty, suggest around 2.4% of infected people could be hospitalised (range: 0.0%-8.9% ) with 20.5% of hospitalised patients going into ICU (range: 1.5% – 35.25 ) and 23.3% (range: 1 .2% – 43.3% ) of all hospitalised patients dying.
The model also predicts an overall infection fatality ratio of 0.7% ( 0.0% – 9.7% ).

At least Carl Heneghan gets quoted:
Prof Carl Heneghan, from Oxford University, said some of the assumptions made in the model were “implausible” and that the report assumes that “we’ve learnt nothing from the first wave of this disease”.

A luvverly bit of logic here, re care home deaths:

Responding to Freedom of Information requests, the regulators said they were concerned standards of care would fall, and the number of available beds would drop, if customers abandoned operators with high mortality rates, The Guardian reported .

https://inews.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-latest-care-home-deaths-uk-kept-secret-cqc-care-inspectorate-612370

Good luck with keeping that quiet. About 3 months ago an interactive map was made available showing England & Wales Covid deaths broken down by wards.
Most wards in my city had none, 4 showed ‘spikes’ of up to 6 deaths and everyone in the community knows which 3 nursing homes these were.
The fourth was in a sheltered housing complex for the genteel elderly, probably caused by by the NHS sending Covid infected victims back home.

Or care workers going in and out.

These 20 second tests being trialled at Heathrow are just more normalising of this madness.

Fully agree. If you do another test for sars-cov-1, another for an adenovirus, another few for some rhinoviruses, another for flu… That’s more than 20 seconds. Then you have to do them all twice to make up for mediocre sensitivity of the test. Then you have to account for the fact that the test might be detecting “dead” RNA rather than acive infection.

Then you need to question why you are jeopardising someone’s holiday in order to allow “safe travel” between a country that has a certain level of exposure, to another country that has… about the same level of exposure.

Doing the same for journeys from Euston into Camden would make just as much sense.

Agree. Lets stop the madness. It is the same as having a cold or the flu, in fact more people die from flu than Covid-19. Our immune systems can manage it —- We DO NOT test the population for colds/flu

They might in the future if we continue to allow Public Health to run the country.

Thanks for the piece and BMJ link re kids with Covid. All saved and bookmarked ready for discussion with others….

Laurence Fox has added his voice to no antisocial distancing and mandatory muzzling in schools:

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1299434925821767681

Well done Lauren Fox

The Global Elite & The Coronavirus Coup D’état With Patrick Wood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKdsL57SUZo&feature=emb_logo

About 30 min they start addressing what we should do to put a stop to the coup.

DO NOT COMPLY
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=peter+finch+network+i%27m+as+mad+as+hell&t=opera&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Ddib2-HBsF08

The NHS is not a source of national pride, it’s a national embarrassment, and Toby’s damning update today just proves the point. My 87-year-old granddad was due to have a cataracts operation earlier this August. He was told to isolate for 14 days both before and after the operation – so effectively a whole month in isolation. Still, he dutifully isolated for the two weeks before the operation. Then just a couple of days before the procedure, he got a call from the hospital saying the operation had been cancelled. The reason? ‘Surgeon on holiday’. I also have a friend who even before the ‘pandemic’ (read: seasonal disease event) really got taken for a ride by the NHS surgeons for a back operation that was causing her so much pain that she could barely move or sit down for long periods. Her operation got pushed back three times to my knowledge and each time they struggled to get hold of the surgeon who was also ‘on holiday’.

This is why the fetishisation of the NHS sickens me so deeply. It is not ‘the envy of the world’ in any way – it is average at best and totally unfit for purpose at worst. Yeah, the world envies us so much that no other country has copied our health service model! Johnson has taken the British obsession with exceptionalism to its extreme, describing every ill-fated and useless government project as ‘world-beating’. Why do we have to be ‘world-beating’? What’s wrong with just ‘very good’? We’re not even the best in the world anyway so it’s an outright lie but this from a man who lies about his own first name.

Perhaps that’s part of the reason the UK has handled this so poorly. Why we are some of the most reluctant people to go back to the office while everyone on the continent just gets on with it. Why our furlough is some of the most generous in the world. It’s this obsession with the NHS, a national religion celebrating a sclerotic parasite which must be protected at all costs, no matter how many it kills. Religion has been responsible for many wars and deaths during history, after all. This slavish devotion to what is basically a hospital makes me utterly embarrassed to be British. The national obsession with the NHS would be understandable if it were so excellent, but it just isn’t. It is used time and again as a political football by parties of all colours, and it is a misplaced source of national pride that can surely only be explained as an overhang of Britain’s Imperial glory days, the need to be truly ‘exceptional’ at something, anything.

Now they have refused to treat an 87-year-old (and my granddad will be one of millions, I’m sure) I will never, ever give this lumbering institution the respect that our populist shills demand. I would happily never pay tax again towards the NHS and not be able to use it myself if this is the quality of health service we are getting in a first-world country.

It wouldn’t be any better with any other system as the data shows https://www.bmj.com/content/367/bmj.l6326

The NHS does work, but could be better. Just like the private train companies.

The problem is that the area doesn’t respond well to competitive structures. You don’t really want your hospital going bust in the middle of your open heart surgery. And if they can’t go bust, or degrade as they are failing, then competition won’t improve anything.

If we want a better health service, we have to decide as a nation to put more people into it. And as we have seen due to Covid we don’t really need all those people stuffed into trains and producing yet more advertising, PR and marketing. What we need is more nurses and more care assistants.

So we should just take everyone out of the productive economy and make them all work at caring for the sick?

Who says they are productive? Demonstrably over the last six months they are not, or the country would have starved.

All we have is the people in the nation. We need to look at what they are doing and ask if that is actually more important than social care or nursing.

So you’re envisioning a society where the shelves are stocked (presumably with uniform grey labelling on all foodstuffs, since advertising and graphic design is not productive and so should be binned) and logistics happen and anyone not directly involved in making sure the nation is fed is designated a role as either clinician or patient?

Indeed. People say they want the NHS to be even better, but don’t want to pay extra taxes. People want better schools, better roads, etc, but don’t want to pay more taxes. They are happy to pay the tax they pay, but want money to spend on “non-essential” stuff, entertainment etc. They vote with their feet and their wallets. Anyone who says they are not making tradeoffs of this kind is just deluded, and people who want the moon on a stick without having to pay for it just need to grow up a bit and get real. If people actually wanted stripped down, simple lives, they would already be living them. Some are, most are not.

I was in rural Ukraine a few years before the USSR collapsed and that is precisely what the shops were like.
Incidentally, one of our party required hospitalisation on the return journey and had nothing but praise for her three days stay.
That was in Lvov/Lviv/Lemburg, being on the western extremity might have been a bonus.

Productive economy?

German/Swiss/Austrian/ Dutch hospital systems all have competition built in to the system and respond well to competitive structures.
The main difference is the lack of a Stalinist management structure and people can choose to spend more of their own money on health care, personal choices and all that.
Improvements inthe rest of society since industrial revolutuon have come from improvements in efficiency not from “putting more people on it”

There is a well staffed NHS at this very moment, but the government and its overpaid NHS senior managers have colluded, under the guise of Covid-19, to turn it into a third world entity.

Why isn’t the NHS now working normally? Just what is stopping it doing what it is supposed to do? It’s not because of Covid-19, whatever that was. Covid-19 was clearly on its last legs by early April and it has long left and is totally gone. Strangely though, the government seems to know where it is hiding and when it will be back. How cosy that relationship is, perhaps there is a hot line.

Government ministers, many paid officials and scientists should end up going to jail over this corrupt mega-fiasco. And then there is the eugenicist Bill Gates, our governments best friend and a supplier of big wads of cash, but more about the crazed vaccine tsar, another time.

Well said Poppy. And every debate about the NHS is always met with cries “oh you want it like America then” as if that’s the only option. They never stop to think that if the NHS is indeed “the envy of the world” then why is it that no Commonwealth country has copied it at the bare minimum? Why is it that the likes of France, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland have better health services than the UK?

I wasn’t born and raised in this country so the worship and adulation of what I have started calling the No Hope Service is baffling to me to say the least. I’ve not had much to do with the NHS save for women’s health services and they have been decent but its a pain to get an appointment. What has frustrated me is the inability to sign up for GP services and as a result I have boycotted it by refusing to register for a GP – the charade puts me off and is a damning indictment of a system that has been flawed from the start and is incapable of reform. Like you I would happily not pay tax towards the NHS as I would rather keep the money and arrange my own health provision.

“then why is it that no Commonwealth country has copied it at the bare minimum? ”

They have. The Australian system is very similar to ours. Every GP surgery in the UK is a private business. Every hospital is part of a private trust. All of them offer both private and public services.

Where do you see the difference?

And it is a myth that other EU countries have better health than the UK. They deploy more of their internal resources on healthcare than we do. https://www.bmj.com/content/367/bmj.l6326

I lived in Australia (Brisbane) for a few years and their system seems to work much more smoothly.

The majority, I believe, have some form of private health insurance as well as the state Medicare system which to me seems equitable – if you can afford it then why shouldn’t you pay for the service?

The upshot being, yes you pay maybe $30 dollars a pop to see the GP and if entitled can claim X amount back via Medicare. The point being, you can actually see a GP when you need one. Same with consultants, etc.

A not insignificant proportion of people in this country also have private health insurance, including through their employer – but virtually never use it unless they have something seriously wrong with them that requires specialist treatment. Anecdotal, but I and a friend of mine at various points have both actively tried to give insurance details to pay for various minor treatments for family members (A&E) and have been turned down because the hospital couldn’t be bothered with the paperwork.

I would think that a reasonably sized impact could be made on NHS funding if we just changed the expectation so that treatment and care was paid for first through insurance, if available and then out of the general funding pot if not. At the very least, I would be very surprised if that didn’t more than cover any additional admin costs.

Totally agree. It would probably encourage people to go to see the doc when they needed to, rather than feeling guilty – “Oh I don’t want to bother them”.

The point being you can actually see a GP! YES, precisely.

and is treated with respect – NHS GPs think they do you a favour

Australia actually has what is known as a co-pay system ( see linked explanation by a Dr here: https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/an-australian-style-co-payments-system-for-healthcare )
Another difference between Oz & UK health systems is you can choose to see a different GP at the drop of a hat if you choose. GPs cannot act a blocking gatekeepers like they do here.

Totally agree.

Get rid of the `NHS and replace it with a system similar to that in Switzerland – everybody has access to affordable world class care, the Government subsidises the people with low or no incomes.

Swiss healthcare costs of 12.2% of GDP are the world’s second highest after the United States where healthcare consumes 17.1% of GDP.

Switzerland has a population of some 8.5M, including some of the world’s wealthiest people who maintain one of their many homes there. Not comparable to UK.

Tbe NHS idea is awesome. Free care at the point of need. It has had 75 years of political storm ravage through its major organs. Now it is a weak and frail shadow of it’s former self. Put good people back in. Rip out the installed change agents (their word not mine) and pulp anyone belonging to a public health directorate would be my first morning in power.

It may be free at the point of need, but it isn’t ‘free’, and taxpayers might wonder what they are getting for their money at the moment.

I’m not sure if these figures are accurate, but I suspect that most people would be surprised at how much they pay for their ‘free’ service:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/583499/NHS-England-costs-YOU-5-000-a-year-and-the-burden-on-taxpayers-is-only-going-to-rise

I also have a friend whose operation for his cataract was cancelled in April – no future date given – and now can’t see out of his left eye.

The NHS has been mendatiously elevated to the level of a deity. Think back, this band of evil idiots in the cabinet have been wearing their stupid little NHS badges for years while hacking it to bits.

The Olympic opening ceremony made the NHS THE CENTRAL FEATURE of their enormous death-cult ritual performance. The almost total obsession with the management of the NHS and “SAVING” it from imaginary COVIDS to the exclusion of EVERYTHING else is just pure gas-lighting, smoke and mirrors to obscure the transformation of society and the UK’s medical system into a new global health system.

The NHS has been carefully positioned in the minds of the public to be the pivot or perhaps the lever for this societal transformation.

As Annie said:
“clap clap clap clap”

I always thought that the whole NHS deification being based around the rainbow logo was odd as this is also the logo of the LGBT movement .
Feel free to make your own punchline. I am too woke to add one .

Or, more realistically, clap trap clap trap

Great post. The NHS is an outlier in the world of health systems. As you say, if it was so great then why has no other country copied it? The book below has a chapter with a very good comparison of a number of health systems across the world. No system is perfect, but in terms of outcomes (which is what should matter), I would much rather live in Switzerland, South Korea, Germany, Iceland, Japan, France, The Netherlands, The US or many other countries. My wife has lived in Belgium and I’ve lived in France so we’ve both experienced what a good universal health system is. The NHS is a joke. I come across so many people in my line of work who have experienced the most appalling experiences with the great NHS. One example. I know someone, who happens to be a very experienced nurse, who was prescribed a near lethal dose of a normally benign drug by her GP and ended up in hospital.

If two good things can come out of this CoronaCrap (as my better half calls it) then it’ll be a proper debate on how we deliver healthcare in the UK plus realisation that the Chinese Communist Party are a very serious predator and must be defeated.

Book link https://www.amazon.co.uk/Welfare-Nations-James-Bartholomew/dp/1849548307

everyone knows that the NHS is a good idea, but that it is fundamentally flawed in the way that it has been set up and run. For years governments have known that. And so every few years it gets reorganised in an attempt to make it better but all that tends to do is put another layer of management in and make the whole thing more sclerotic.
What no government has done is have the will to investigate a full root and branch change. For many years Anne Widdecombe was trying to get a cross party investigation started to look at how to do this. But it never happens. All the governments (of all colours) will do is argue about how much money, and how much extra money, to throw at the problem in the hope that that will fix it. Which it wont. The NHS is a bottomless pit that will absorb all the money thrown at it and still ask for more.
Even some simple changes are ignored….. reduce the admin and management. remove the targets.

The problem with the NHS is that it is a utopian idea run on Stalinist lines.Rather than a golden age it was in crisis from the start.It has been downhill ever since and anyone who has used it recently will have experienced a lack of care.
Free at the point of use creates a unlimited demand which can never be satisfied.
The telling point is that our envy of the world has never been copied by any major nation; also it is a political football with endless reorganisations and disasters like PFI.
I think Covid will be the death knell because it just withdrew services for anything else,what use of it being free if it won’t treat you.
The problem is you wouldn’t trust this government to come up with anything better.

It is of course entirely coincidental that one system has nanagedmto come up with:
1) Liverpool Care Pathway.
2) Staffordshire feeding plan
3) Covid patients in care homes plan.

Once is happenstance etc, but when are we going to take seriously complete reform of a system that is so morally bankrupt as to even conceive of these methods of treating the elderly.

They put my dying father in the Liverpool path.
I will never forgive them for that, never, never, never.

The NHS wasn’t allowed to be set up as per the original vision. The doctors were staunchly against it, so even back in its beginning, the result was a compromise. It hasn’t improved since.

France sees biggest rise in CV cases since March. “Exponential rise”. BBC website report.

All that pain suffering for nothing!

Lockdowns don’t work.

Except ‘cases’ = ‘positive’ tests. (Someone might break this news to Toby Young!) MW

Judging by their own lights, by their own hysteria, so that a case in March = a
case in August. I’m also judging this by the Swedish standard which made clear this would happen.

Apologies, that should read:

Lockdowns don’t work to sort out a virus but they are just the job for wrecking whole countries’ ways-of-life, breaking down people’s will and destroying everything we hold dear and they are the gift that keeps on giving.

And, of course, ‘cases’ = ‘positive’ tests i.e. pure propaganda and a tool of control. Someone might break this news to Toby Young!) MW

and Will Jones! MW

Miriam.. i agree ,, i have pointed this out here on numerous occasions. A “case” implies that someone actually has the disease and is ill. Whereas as you say, we are referring to “positive tests” which may be false positives, duplicate tests, asymptomatic hosts etc.
Makes a big difference if the public perceive 20 cases as 20 people being ill (and possibly going to die) rather than 20 people being tested positive and one of them having a runny nose !

I think I must point this stuff out to at least one person on a daily basis and it always comes as news to them. Anything we LSs can do to debunk this crap has to be useful. MW

And had it not been for face nappies masks the rise would surely have been super exponential

Irony whoever thumbs downed it

I thumbs-upped it and then someone else cancelled it out! It’s Irony Deficency Syndrome. MW

WTAF! Prof Neil Ferguson being interviewed just now (8.15) on R4’s Today about Hancock’s announcement re ‘reasonable worst case’ local lockdowns. Why would any serious journalist ask that man anything? Surely his credibility is shot?!

They are not journalists and he is not a scientist. Business as usual in fear and propaganda-land. MW

It is a stage play with a script, a set and characters played by actors. No different to a soap. Indeed soap operas are frequently used to programme government agendas.

For the BBC destroying Trimp and the Tories is all that matters.

The BBC must be stripped of Licence money

Sure, if they can be, but Gates will make up the shortfall.

Thats fine, they can then do and say what they want. No licence fee to pay.

Gates is already paying them, so they are definitely not objective

Somebody should shut him up

Warm Up DEMO Berlin Querdenken 28.8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1gI_vX0-Pc

#Berlin #b2908 – Livestream 16 –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2Zah7IyDLY

Ruptly is up on youtube too now live. Big crowds. Police in riot gear already. Crowds gathering and peaceful in the real nonBBC meaning of the word.

https://youtu.be/8Hr-jdoq-dk

Ruptly live Berlin protests.

This is how they’ve reported in Ireland. Expectations of a whopping 20,000 people

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/berlin-court-overturns-ban-on-covid-19-march-expected-to-attract-over-20-000-1.4341226

The are also saying its a ragbag of conspiracy nuts.

Ireland were threatened with a second lockdown by the Health Minister this week.

Education Minister said anyone not wearing a mask on secondary schools will be removed indefinitely from their education

It’s war, Ivor Cummings has said.

Robert Kennedy Jr is due to be there in Berlin. Looking like it is going to be a large turnout.

Yeah, I have seen it said it’ll be massive. I hope so. Needs to send a message.

I’ve just heard on the radio that the police broke it up due to a lack of social distancing.

Reminds me of the stories about New York – police grabbing citizens off the street for the crime of not social distancing…they literally throw them all in one jail cell that’s already got 10 people in it, thereby causing them to immediately not social distance…

Health & Education ministers rule. You must obey.

I hope the police aren’t anticipating a staged fracas. Surely, the demonstrators would have more sense than to start one themselves.

Morning all! EPISODE 4 of Bedwetters is here!

Today we talk about the University Health NKVD!

The awakening of politicians and the media in Europe (But Bozza is still dosing)

Plus the usual round up the latest stats from the ONS.

ENJOY!

https://bedwetters.buzzsprout.com/

Childcare Services Team you say ?
Covid Response Team you say ?
Looks like the Government are planning ahead

Absolutely nothing that is being done by our government and local authorities suggests to me they want to get out of this. Quite the opposite. One of my favourite lines of argument with people who oppose going back to normal is “how long should we go on like this?”. They never have an answer – I just get mumbling. They know there isn’t an answer they will like, so they avoid.

Anyone I ask always say “until there’s a vaccine”
Idiots!

Exactly. The missing message from the Government/NHS is for us mere mortals to improve our immune systems.

And continue to challenge them in order to prime them to react properly, by NOT sanitising our environment with fogging anti bacterial and viral chemicals – coming to many West End theatres before they reopen in spring, folks.

That reminds me of a garbage strike that happened in London around 40 years ago. Garbage everywhere. Hygiene, sanitation-wise much worse than Covid. Took days to clean it all up.

Since January.

And the next step is to point out that it could be years, or never, and is unlikely to be anything like 100% effective.

They’ve already been lobotomized. Subliminally, most likely.

Just like the Remainers in the Brexit argument. Ask them why we should remain part of the EU. No answer.

Actually Gina Miller answered that in an interview – because the EU were responsible for giving us women’s rights…not sure if the interviewer had the heart to tell her she had just totally erased the suffragettes out of history….

Huhh? Shocking waste of taxpayers money

Hoping to see all you Lockdown Sceptics today at the London Demo – 12.30pm Trafalgar Square. Lots of eminent speakers doctors, virologists freedom lovers….

A great opportunity to get out there and express how you feel at this ongoing shitshow.

That’s two of us then!

Hmmm here’s hoping for a few more…

Bound to be reported front page by every media outlet. Not!

Well the MSM always put the real stories first..
I recall CNN had I think 3 reporters over a period of about 2 days, discussing a claim that President Trump got 2 scoops of ice cream on a piece of pie at a State dinner, and Ambassador only got 1 (though it may have been 1 1/2). With dogged determination they cracked the case – the White House catering staff ‘established the preferences’ of principals at the dinner before serving. Who knew! So yeah, no doubt the press will be right on those protests…

Sadly I cannot make it. Hope they stay just on Covid and Lockdown etc and do not bring in 5g etc.

Yes, I really hope they don’t talk about 5G. This will be the only message that gets out through the MSM filters.

5G is important only because it facilitates surveillance.

Didn’t France say this? before the rollout of their track & trace system (which, like most others, did neither track nor trace) I’m sure they said it would integrate seamlessly with their inbuilt systems, to facilitate surveillance of everybody at all times…for people’s safety. obviously.

I just dropped my son off at the station. He had left his mask – with a great big NO across it – at home. Luckily he has his ‘get out of jail’ card if challenged.

I am convinced now more than ever, that when history comes to be written by our grandchildrens generation, it will be about the virus that never was. I am not arguing that Covid-19 didn’t exist, but that its vehemence was entirely overstated.

Had a look at twitter and it spammed me with this interesting thread “For the education of the general public, this is how a scientist reads a news story.” This is also how I read news stories.

https://twitter.com/ProfDFrancis/status/1299372186680070146

The news story links to a preprint, containing in the abstract the dramatic claim stated as if it were a fact: “ COVID-19 causes cardiac dysfunction in up to 50% of patients “.

Then a little further down this is clarified:

“Notably, multiple independent reports have found that COVID-19 patients frequently present with significant myocardial damage 6–8 , even without prior cardiovascular disease 9 (CVD)”

If you check 6-8 (having found the correct references section– there are two) they are saying that people with CVD suffer worse C19. Only 9 is meant to support the claim that C19 causes CVD.

What does 9 actually say? My bolding:

“ SARS-CoV-2 may invade cells by binding to ACE2, causing direct damage to cardiomyocytes. However, the autopsy results of COVID-19 cases failed to detect SARS CoV-2 virus components in myocardial tissue by electron microscope observation, immunohistochemical staining or PCR. SARS-CoV-2 infection may also cause myocardial injury through overactivetion [sic] of the immune system, with the release of a large number of cytokines and cytokine storms. ”

Which was the state of play last time I fact-checked these claims of SARS2 infecting multiple organs including the heart: that it might happen but there’s no smoking gun and plenty of ways this kind of thing can happen with any severe viral infection.

The whole thread is here if you cant be bothered to scroll through Twitter. Excellent read!: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1299365746489819136.html

If I remeber correctly, I think this articcle was fasttracked.If this is not deception,tell me what is? And still this paper has already done enormous damage.

It’s bias, in this case severe. But it’s a reminder that when reading any paper you have to look carefully at the references and the evidence, not just the authors’ opinions, including of course when they are in agreement with one’s own confirmation bias.

That’s what peer review is supposed to do. Although that could also be said to be a gatekeeping exercise in some circles

That’s just people’s mates patting each other on the back. Evidence is the only thing that matters.

Worryingly, SPRS has cited this very study in the section on ‘Long Covid’:

https://swprs.org/post-acute-covid-long-covid/ (look at the links at the bottom)

The rest of the site is still a good source of good-quality debunking material but this worries us. Also we wonder why they changed the name to ‘Swiss Policy Research’ rather then Propaganda research. Are they under pressure, do you think?

Anyway we have a friend on the brink of scepticism to whom we’ve recently sent the SPRS site as a good one to look at. We now have to send him a ‘health warning’ about SPRS because if he reads that section he’ll probably freak out! MW and AG

I read that article when you posted it originally. It seems reasonable to me and their presentation of it is factual and not alarmist. I don’t consider it harmful. Of course some people will freak out but what matters are the facts, on both sides.

I know what you mean but you and I are probably better at evaluating something that, at first sight, seems frightening since we’ve been reading this kind of article on CV19 for months now. Coming to it cold might just confirm your worst fears about Covid.

This, plus the fact that SPRS links to the Biospace article which you say yourself is biased which makes me question their judgement.

I would still not be comfortable passing the SPRS ‘Long Covid’ post on to someone who I’m trying to reassure. Worse, it means that I’m now wary of passing on a link to an otherwise excellent site. MW

A bit of balance gives it the ring of truth though perhaps.

I thought at the time, that changing their name was sensible. Less off-putting to non-conspiracy theorists

Yes, I wondered if that was behind the change. MW

I enjoyed that. There is evidently intelligent life on Twars. Enough to make me sign up, first time. Thank you.

That Jed Mecurio seems very self important. You write scripts for grown adults pretending to be other grown adults, pal. Big deal. Get over yourself.

His show, Line of Duty – superb clever TV drama – is predicated on the notion that all police forces in this country are riddled with virtually invisible but vicious corruption. It’s a fully-fledged paranoid fantasy, super exciting as entertainment because literally any character on screen could turn out to have been acting as an agent of evil. The infection is everywhere…

I enjoy line of duty featuring spineless arseholes at the top just like Ms Dick, but Bodyguard was a total pile of crap that could have been written on the back of a fag packet in 2 minutes, Maaam.

As October approaches it is good to know that Section 4 The Vagrancy Act 1824 is still on the statute book
“Persons committing certain offences to be deemed rogues and vagabonds.”

Every person committing any of the offences herein-before mentioned, after having been convicted as an idle and disorderly person;  every person pretending or professing to tell fortunes, or using any subtle craft, means, or device, by palmistry or otherwise, to deceive and impose on any of his Majesty’s subjects;

Every person wandering abroad and lodging in any barn or outhouse, or in any deserted or unoccupied building, or in the open air, or under a tent, or in any cart or waggon, not having any visible means of subsistence  and not giving a good account of himself or herself;

Every person wilfully exposing to view, in any street, road, highway, or public place, any obscene print, picture, or other indecent exhibition  ; every person wilfully openly, lewdly, and obscenely exposing his person  in any street, road, or public highway, or in the view thereof, or in any place of public resort,  with intent to insult any female

Every person wandering abroad, and endeavouring by the exposure of wounds or deformities to obtain or gather alms; every person going about as a gatherer or collector of alms, or endeavouring to procure charitable contributions of any nature or kind, under any false or fraudulent pretence . . .

Every person being found in or upon any dwelling house, warehouse, coach-house, stable, or outhouse, or in any inclosed yard, garden, or area, for any unlawful purpose;

Every suspected person or reputed thief, frequenting any river, canal, or navigable stream, dock, or basin, or any quay, wharf, or warehouse near or adjoining thereto, or any street, highway, or avenue leading thereto, or any place of public resort, or any avenue leading thereto, or any street, or any highway or any place adjacent to a street or highway;  with intent to commit an indictable offence

Every person apprehended as an idle and disorderly person, and violently resisting any constable, or other peace officer so apprehending him or her, and being subsequently convicted of the offence for which he or she shall have been so apprehended; shall be deemed a rogue and vagabond, within the true intent and meaning of this Act; , it shall be lawful for any justice of the peace to commit such offender (being thereof convicted before him by the confession of such offender, or by the evidence on oath of one or more credible witness or witnesses,) to the house of correction, . . .  for any time not exceeding three calendar months

It would appear the Dictator and others may have committed an offence under the first paragraph

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12360592

Covid 19 coronavirus: Experts call for rethink on Auckland’s move to level 2

“Auckland University Professor Shaun Hendy, whose modelling has guided the Government’s response to date, said ministers should reconsider moving Auckland to alert level 2 on Monday – and if the change still goes ahead, employers should keep workers at home if possible.
“If you can work at home, you should continue to do so for the next few weeks,” he said.”
“Otago University Professor Michael Baker said Auckland should stay at least at a heightened “level 2.5” with the planned limit of 10 on social gatherings and everyone wearing masks in all indoor spaces outside their own homes.”
“Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern declined to comment today but is due to confirm alert levels at 1pm tomorrow.”

Is St Jacinda going to listen to her scientific advisors or not?

Just looked at Professor Hendy’s Wiki page. Obviously knows a lot about infectious diseases, given his PhD studies:

‘The title of his PhD thesis was Cosmic strings in black hole spacetimes’

Was it a pop up book?

4 deaths per million in NZ

Problem with democracy? BBC bias not reporting thing fairly? Covid19 measure being seen as positive even in local press?

The BBC has a solution for the problem. BBC Local Democracy Reporters. Journalists loaded into local news organisation at the pay (and say so) of the BBC.

https://www.bbc.com/lnp/ldrs

A local evening rag in Edinburgh installed their LDR into the city chambers where he sat and simply reported what the council wanted. No investigation, just a conduit communicator between us and them.

Your local news will be laced with similar. Thay are not overtly acknowledged. Why?

But this is just small fry compared to other private entities that are buying the news and fact checking organisations.

https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/08/24/revealed-how-bill-gates-buys-mainstream-outlets-journalists-and-fact-checkers/

“Over the last decade, a small group of billionaire philanthropists have quietly moved into to seize control of key nodes of media, government policy, and education. They claim that they are merely trying to ‘fill in the funding gaps at struggling news organizations’ – especially in the wake of the coronavirus ‘pandemic.’ By far, the biggest player in this network is the Gates Foundation.”

The article is comprehensively linking to many sources.

It’s the same tactic we’ve seen in recent wars. Embedded Journalism is pure propaganda. This is the end result of the hollowing out of journalism since the 80s and 90s where local teams cut down, centralised newspapers simply regurgitating the same viewpoints

Mark Twain, yes, Sam Clements, suggested in one of his books that he had started the franchised news system. If I remember correctly he also saw it as a bad thing easily corrupted. I’m not certain this is a true fact, but he certainly wrote about this being the case. We are perhaps seeing the thick end of that wedge.

wow! amazing discovery. i had never seen this before.. If you follow the link there further links to the detail – and the numbers involved. 144! One hundred and forty four. That is gross! (sorry!!). So the BBC pay for and embed 144 reporters with local newspaper organisations. For example 6 with the Manchester evening news, 5 with the Liverpool echo. And as Basics states, they are reporting on local politics – the mayors and the councils serving the boroughs that the newspapers cover, So what does a junior reporter earn. Say £25K. Including employer costs that’s around £4 million a year,

It used to be 250 from memory.

10 contracts awarded in Scotland, 21.5 reporters (no sure what .5 of a reporter is, maybe he/she is a very small town reporter).

State controlled media, hmm, sounds like n korea

With apologies to WSC

If we capitulate to the totalitarian government, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties and recover all the freedoms that have been wrenched away from us under the guise of ‘keeping us safe’.

The reason doctors do not work the hours for the NHS that normal human beings do is the disaterous agreement made with the BMA by the last labour government. They do of course have time then for their private patients.

KCDC admits that this outbreak is challenging South Korea’s contact tracers: Director Jeong: “Since Aug, we have accumulated 4400 patients..local public health offices are doing their best in tracing, but we are reaching our limits to follow all the explosion of new cases”

There are limits to test and trace even in Korea

And they’re being honest about it!

Its has been a busy week on the front line ; not because of the arrival of the mythical second wave but because a lot of my colleagues are on leave. We have had a couple of locums one of whom gave clues that they were a sceptic…didn’t wear a face visor and declined the option of the practice ” scrubs ” to wear.

You need to be very careful in expressions of dissent in the NHS. This lady obviously has language I wouldn’t have chosen , but I did find her amusing and I am awaiting my medal and certificate as well. The BBC reports she is now under investigation by her NHS employers.

https://twitter.com/CharlieEmma85/status/1298754235002228737

As for the ” scrubs ” mine are rather ill fitting and I really don’t want to wear them .I imagine the evidence base for doctors to wear them in the real world as opposed to the operating theatre is rather scant , rather like masks. I don’t wear them in the out of hours and never have done . I might try the surreptitious conversion by starting with civvie trousers and a scrub top and see the reaction of the martinet practice nurse.

One thing I did learn from direct conversation this week is that those directing the show who are high ranking in this spectacle have absolutely no idea that there is any other point of view . The echo chamber/ bubble is a very real thing.

The lady Charlotte is an absolute hero for saying what she did. She basically stood up to the Emperor and said ‘you’ve got no clothes’.

Legend.

Louise was the lady in the video, Charlotte (a different person) shared it.

This summed it all up SO well!

NHS gulag for her

I looked at some of the comments under the video. I am not a twitter user… and i know why .. there are lots of complete nutters out there – and nastiness and vindictiveness. and ignorance. and those still misguided to believe the NHS is perfect and the whole COvid issue has been handled perfectly and dont you dare to contradict this view. Also so disappointing to realise that this girl will get disciplined for this…. everybody wants whistleblowers to come forward and be protected – as long as it the right cause, and if it is the wrong cause such as the NHS then throw them under a bus …… . So many of these people would be happily chatting to the Gestapo and pointing out the houses where the Jews are hiding

Petition not almost 40,000. Only 30,841. Need more signatures!

which one? can you post a link to it please?

Dissenter epidemiologist Simon Thornley reporting
The movement against ongoing lockdowns is growing in Auckland… .Demonstration.
He also has a youtube video explaining C-19. Very brave .Epidemiologist Univ Otago Auckland. If you see twitter responses now a hated man in NZ
https://twitter.com/simonthornley30/status/1299546937935294465
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=-cB_DEbXrhE&feature=emb_logo

“Twenty-second covid tests being trialled by Heathrow…”

Something a bit more sensible than 14 days’ house arrest

Agreed, this is better than the quarantine nonsense. But wouldn’t it be even better just to go back to normal as CV-19 is vanishing and turns out not to be that dangerous anyway.

Otherwise you are making travel dependent on health status and you might equally well have flu, HIV or hepatitis tests as well. And we will permanently stuck in a “New Abnormal”.

And DRUG tests…

Mostly Peaceful Protests
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-r2IOv-G5Q

I have a very serious issue to discuss. National University of Ireland Galway is planning on ‘asking’ students and staff to sign a pledge in September. The Irish Examiner claims students will have to sign at the registration stage for their modules. Regardless of what the Irish Examiner’s claims re linkage to registration are, I have grave doubts as to the legality of this pledge. Could someone with expertise in human/student rights and employment law comment on this? I am in a difficult position because I am a final year PhD student and and an employee who will be taking tutorials this year, so anonymity is important for my funding, wages, and longterm career prospects.

One of the stranger aspects of this is that the Student Union has collaborated with a faculty member in the creation of this: https://www.nuigalway.ie/ourpromise/

There is a facebook page with an innocuous video and quote from the president regarding extending such a pledge beyond the university: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=3851402458208455

The full text of the pledge is also available here: https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40035293.html

In these extraordinary times, our ask is for each student and member of staff to sign up to be part of the University community, to behave appropriately, to consider others, to follow our advice and the public health guidelines, to act responsibly and to uphold the core value of our institution: respect, [and] to respect everyone in the University and the wider community.
We ask everyone at the University to commit to following; Cúram Dá Chéile, our community promise:

• I will follow NUI Galway and Public Health Guidelines related to reducing the spread of Covid-19. I understand that this is likely to change regularly so I will take personal responsibility for ensuring I am up to date with the latest information which is available at https://www.nuigalway.ie/alert/ .
• If I begin to suffer with Covid-19 symptoms I will report these using the processes within the University and follow guidance to self-isolate and get a test. I accept the role that I have to play in making sure that the areas where we live, work, and study are as safe as they can be.
• I will show empathy, respect and due consideration to others – my friends and peers, my colleagues, the wider Community, and all of those who help me achieve my goals whilst at University. I note that this commitment sits alongside the University’s policies around harassment and intimidation that I have a duty to assist in establishing an environment in which harassment, bullying, and victimisation are regarded as unacceptable.
• I understand the importance of providing friendship, helping people avoid loneliness and isolation, and supporting others. Therefore I will look out for my friends and those I live, learn or work with. If I have a concern about someone, I will raise this with an appropriate person (lecturer, student services staff, etc.) so that help and support can be offered.
• If I am challenged about my behaviour I will respond in an open, positive, and respectful manner – listening carefully to understand the concern, and changing my behaviour to remove it. I understand and accept that wilfully and repeatedly breaching University guidance is an act of misconduct and could lead to me being subject to disciplinary processes as outlined in the Student Code of Conduct. If I see situations that are contrary to guidance, I will remove myself from those situations as soon as possible.
• I know that this is an ever developing situation – one which requires everyone’s ongoing vigilance and personal responsibility.

“Look out for my friends…. if I have a concern about someone, I will raise this with an appropriate person…”

Recruiting informers.

Likewise ‘supporting others’ can be read as ‘telling them to obey the rules’…

As regards legality, maybe run the pledge by Robin Tilbrook or Francis Hoar?

You missed out the last bullet point …

UZZERVIZE THERE VILL BE CONSEQUENCES

My God! I heard about this on the bed wetters podcast, but written down it is even worse. Surely, there has to be some push back on this? Are other Irish universities following a similar line? My Dad is Irish and I have a lot of family and friends there, I find this sort of stuff totally contradictory to the general Irish mentality which sniffs BS a mile off and takes the piss out of pompous officialdom. I have to say though that those family members I have spoken to are generally ‘pant wetters’ and agree with the lockdown. Not all, and certainly not my Dad, but what a sad stare of affairs. Was heartened by the demo in Dublin though. Sorry this doesn’t answer your question, but we absolutely need the Irish people to regain their senses and listen to Cummins, Dolores and Van Morrison. The Irish are brilliant contrarians and could – and should- lead the world in calling out this rubbish.

Thanks for the show of support! I thought I was losing my mind and that this was not really that big of a deal, and was therefore over-reacting. A complication is that I am a US citizen, and I have a 21-year-old son who is an undergrad at NUIG, as well as a 17-year-old whom I just brought back from NY (he was with his father – my husband, who doesn’t have the right to work in Ireland on my PhD visa) because his high school gave the choice of every other day in school, fully masked, or remote instruction… I am in a really difficult position, you see, hence the request for expert opinion.

Emily I’d suggest you try get in touch with Tracey O’Mahony via social media. She is a fearless solicitor who has just concluded a successful gofundme campaign to fund legal challenges against the Irish government C19 restrictions.

She is taking up all sorts of causes and posts regularly to her youtube channel and may well have addressed the problem you face.

All the best

Many thanks!

Print out the the Ivor Cummings letter for MPs on the Fat Emperor website. Alter it slightly for sending back to the University stating that you want the questions answered.

These battles are vitally important and you are being called to play your part. You may be reluctant but this madness only stops when we say no.

Much obliged – am off to the blog now.

I saw Van Morrison with Them at the Whisky A Go Go, Sunset Boulevard, Hollywood, on a Sunday afternoon in 1966. The warm up group was The Doors before they hit the big time.

Awful stuff. Bilge but dangerous with it. I can offer no help but just comment that I wonder what supporting openess and listening etc. the university will give to those who dissent or conscientiously object. Do they intend for such parties to become lonely or ostracised? They appear not to be an inclusive organisation.

What a peculiar “pledge”.

Apart from this being unnecessary and having an ominous’Big Brother’ feel, If they’re making signature a precondition to receipt of services or any other benefit, or not signing it is likely to lead to adverse consequences/ discrimination, i too doubt the legality as it’s a wide ranging list of commitments , a number of which are vague, subjective and not legal requirements. I’d be particularly concerned about signing up to blanket ‘Guidelines’ which could change and without any reference to you. . If I were you I’d forward to Francis Hoar who’s one of the lead lawyers on the Dolan case. He’s pretty visible on Twitter and you could do so anonymously. Equally, you should bring it to the attention of TY.

Francis has already tweeted about this

No human being should pledge to that.

This sounds like a pledge after being recruited as an informer for the Stasi!!!

Part 1:

I received an answer back from BBC complaints about why they keep stating a positive test equals the person has the virus when it does not. They replied:

“The role of this department is to respond to comment, query or criticism concerning programmes on any of the BBC’s national, regional and local television or radio services. We also deal with issues related to BBC’s policy.

As your complaint is not in reference to BBC output we are unable to investigate this further for you.”

So I’ve just sent them this back:

“The complaint was in relation to BBC output.
The comment “Any broadcast, TV show, news show” is clear enough.
The BBC broadcasts TV shows, news shows etc in vast quantity don’t they?
I thought they did as this is what they have a Charter for.
The BBC, in every news show local or national; or on radio, television and on the internet, continuously parrots the official line that a positive test for coronavirus equates to a case and that the person is suffering from covid-19.
As stated in my complaint, a FOI request to the DHSC was answered and clearly stated that this is not the case.
To recap:

One of my questions and the most important:

-supply the justification that a “positive” test means the person is suffering from the virus as is a danger to the public and must be isolated.

The answer:

SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time. It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).

In fact in the FOI request answer there are even more facts about the reliability and accuracy of the tests, some I put here:

Patients can have SARS-CoV-2 RNA before onset of illness, during the illness and after resolution of symptoms (all variable periods). The result has to be taken into context of symptoms present.

I put the following question to both Matt Hancock and Jeremy Hunt, Secretary of State for Health and the Chair of the Parliamentary Committee on Health and Social Care respectively:

SO A POSITIVE TEST MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN THE CONTEXT OF “SUFFERING” FROM THE PIECES OF VIRAL MATERIAL DETECTED IN THE TEST SAMPLE SO WHY THE CONTINUING ADHERENCE TO INSISTING THAT A PERSON WHO TESTS POSITIVE MUST BE ISOLATED FOR 14 DAYS AND AREAS ARE TO BE PLACED INTO FURTHER LOCAL LOCKDOWNS BASED ON THE SAME MEANINGLESS TEST RESULT?

Neither even bothered to acknowledge the e-mail.

The DHSC also provided a link to a document by Health Technology Wales that is the official document the DHSC use for policy guidance:

– the official policy/guidance from DHSC to the various bodies who are following the above policy. I can confirm that the Department holds information relevant to your request. As the information held by the Department is in the public domain, we will under Section 21 of the FOI Act (information accessible to the applicant by other means) refer you to the published source, a summary of evidence on the accuracy of the test,

https://www.healthtechnology.wales/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/EAR025-COVID19-diagnostics-report-v2.6.pdf

It does include a few notable gems such as (the paper’s original comments in blue with their updates in umber and with my notes in red ):

We identified 39 individual studies and one pooled analysis reporting outcomes including diagnostic accuracy, detection rates and the time taken to obtain test results. We carried out quality assessment of the studies and judged the majority to be at risk of bias in one or more aspect of their design or conduct, which means their results may not be reliable. So not too accurate then these studies?

Some studies did not include methods of confirmatory/differential diagnosis to validate the test results obtained (e.g. the proportion of likely false positive and negative results). A pooled analysis estimated the sensitivity of an initial RT-PCR test result to be 89%, using results of repeated RT-PCR as the reference standard. So does this mean that there is an estimated 11% false result?

There are important gaps in the available evidence on the effectiveness of tests for the presence of SARS-CoV-2. Studies of virus testing in asymptomatic patients, or in specific populations such as healthcare workers are limited in number and there is no evidence on the validated diagnostic performance of the tests beyond their use in the hospital setting. So pretty useless then?

a true assessment of the accuracy of RT-PCR test results is very challenging, and using these RT-PCR for validation mean the same issues apply to the results of antibody tests studied in this way. S o the test has lots of problems with accuracy and the antibody test cannot be used for doublechecking the results due to these inaccuracies?

Part 2:

So basically as admitted by the DHSC you are using tests that are “unreliable” to say the least, have no reference standard to double check the accuracy against and that have results that means nothing medically.

To state otherwise is a deliberate misrepresentation of the truth – to put it bluntly a lie basically – and as a supposedly impartial broadcaster and not a propaganda arm of central Government the BBC, nor any other broadcaster, is allowed to deliberately mislead the viewers with incorrect information especially when the facts have been given to them and explained simply and clearly.

That is unless you have been given specific instructions from the Government, for political reasons, to continue to follow the “positive test means you have the virus” lie

To continue to do so in a deliberate manner is against OFCOM standards and unless I receive an satisfactoriy explanation on why the BBC continues to broadcast non-truth within 7 days I will formally submit a complaint to OFCOM about this matter.

Your non-answer is not satisfactory as either the BBC is deliberately lying in their broadcasts or acting as a mouthpiece for Government which means either way you can no longer be thought of as an impartial source of facts or news.

Yours sincerely

Updated version 18th Aug of article posted yesterday
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.26.20080911v3.full.pdf
Diagnosing COVID-19 infection: the danger of over-reliance on positive test results The evidence shows that false positive PCR results are common enough to impact clinical and policy decisions.
“The high specificities (usually 100%) reported in PCR-based tests for SARS-CoV-2 infection do not represent the real-world use of these tests, where contamination and human error produce significant rates of false positives. Widespread misunderstanding of these false positive rates affects an array of clinical, case management and health policy decisions. Similarly, health authorities’ guidance on interpreting test results is often wrong. Steps should be taken immediately to reduce the frequency and impacts of false positive”

Very good and very thorough. I am not sure anyone at the BBC has the intellectual capacity or even the desire to bother to think this out and that is our problem. Whenever I read (rarely) any of their articles I find then so shallow and poorly constructed.

If it’s any comfort, I similarly get a non responses when I complain about very specific items / reporting within news broadcasts. The BBC claims they either can’t find the offending material or ‘ that they apply the most rigorous of reporting standards’- ie they make no attempt to answer the complaint. I don’t think they even bother to read our complaints anymore – just issue an automated response and complain about having to deal with a vast volume of complaints. The irony of what that actually means is entirely lost on them.

Look on the bright side :

“ As your complaint is not in reference to BBC output we are unable to investigate this further for you.”

… is an admission that the BBC does not do investigative reporting – just like most of the MSM.

I asked a certain journalist (really just a copywriter/propagandist) five years ago what happened to investigative journalism and he banned me from his Twitter account. Read Ben Hecht’s ‘A child of the Century’. He also wrote the script for ‘His Girl Friday’ with Cary Grant.

What is this, do my eyes deceive me?

Coronavirus: Why are deaths falling as cases rise?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53951764

“Are the government and media overdoing coronavirus? Is it time to move on and get back to normal life?”

Has Fergus Walsh visited this site and started to get it? Although it has a generous helping of usual BBC spin, for the most part it brings up many of our arguments. Am I interpreting this more positively than I should be? Saying that, it is quite low down on the news page but I would imagine may feed into TV news later today.

Good grief! Never expected to see anything like that from the BBC. Really heartening.

i think Fergus Walsh may be reading the 5.30 am Shipping forecast on R4 as from next week

Well my goodness. It is a good start. It’s a bit mixed up, one minute being optimistic the next doomsayer but it’s there.

Carl Heneghan is also quoted in a few BBC items, not sure they have accurately quoted him, but does it mean that he is being listened to? I so do hope so as he can get us out of this mess.

It was top of the news page at 7.00am

Anyone looking to be uplifted. Tune into a live stream of Berlin protests. It is incredible.

link?

https://youtu.be/8Hr-jdoq-dk

awesome!

we need a drone to fly over to get an idea of real numbers

last time rt / ruptly avoided zooming out too much – it felt as though this was done to avoid showing the sheer volume of people there

Not apparently ‘awesome’ – I’m afraid, from what I can see (thinking the Iraq protest). We need some context.

how do you mean?

I’m guessing that they’re doing this so as to pick up the different groups, with different themes on their banners, that assemble in this area, and then move off. It may make the pictures more diverse and interesting for viewers, perhaps. Agree that drone pictures would be great as well.

It *appears* to me police are obstructing crowds from getting to the Brandenberg Gate. Someone with local knowledge may be better able to explain what is happening. Many are at the Gate others elsewhere are obstructed.

did you spot the polizie in visors and muzzles?

damned fools.

Yes, looking good, no great! This is a demonstration against diabolical impositions on people’s lives and guess what?

A counter-protest by opposing groups is also expected to take place.

Yeesh.

There’s a real live protest happening in London in a couple of hours.

Yes. Keep mentioning it and updating.

From the BBC

“A similar march several weeks ago attracted anti-vaccination campaigners, conspiracy theorists and self-described “free thinkers”.”

No mention of people who don’t actually like living under a distatorship

the bbc are disgusting, shameful and a very real threat to any freedoms we have left in these oppressing times

I fucking despise them

Me2

Yuck, those damned free thinkers, how dare people think freely.

Heaven forfend! not those free thinkers, as opposed to the brainwashed fuckwits who believe the good old Beeb!

Disastership
Dystatorship

Free thinkers? Shameful.

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TOBY,, we need some mechanism to indicate that the new days blog has been posted. Most of us keep the blog page open with comments, so we can review every so often. That means that we do not see the new page being posted, and as it is done at random times it is quite annoying. When the new page is posted can someone in admin put a note on the old page. usually it is a viewer who does it if they notice

Reposted as added to yesterday’s site.
Just been for my morning walk to feed the swans and pick brambles. Listened to last nights “Any Questions” ( really “any BBC approved questions”. It is so depressing. 3 MPs. con, lab and SNP. All non entities. All bedwetters. Numpty BBC host who toed the BBC line and directed the discussions down that path as she did with Toby last week. And sadly, Ian Dale was the fourth panellist and he was disappointing. I expected far more common sense and challenge from him.
Even the questions were from bedwetters.
Only one questioner had a decent questions. A landlord who had not had rent for 9 months from a working tenant. Of course she cannot evict this person as all tenants are protected. Unintended consequences of a dodgy, ill thought out law.
Now having breakfast and BBC news showing an interview with the outgoing BBC DG, Hall, Explains why the BBC is where it is now What a complete Islington liberal woke arsehole.
No more BBC today otherwise my gonads will explode

Tip on the page update frustration, check the time of the last post. Another clue is the orange posted comment circle – it give a sense if the new days update has been posted or not. Vague, but helpful.

True, when you see the orange circle stopping, you know that the thread has died. MW

https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/fashion/2020/0826/1161369-a-dermatologists-tips-for-clearing-up-mask-ne/

Is it a positive sign that they are at least admitting that mask wearing causes problems?

Indeed. I posted links to ‘mask-ne’ and ‘mask mouth’ a week or so ago. I am sure there is an epidemic of problems building. I’ve met people who say they are getting things like throat problems and sore gums. Yikes! MW

If you call these things problems:

“It’s caused “by a combination of friction/rubbing from the mask, which causes local pressure on the sebaceous ducts (sweat glands) and irritates the skin barrier combined with the warm, moist micro-environment under the mask, which dilates the pores, increases sebum (oil) production and causes clogging of the ducts with bacteria and sebum (oil)”, she says.
Breakouts on the area covered by the mask – everywhere from lower cheeks and jawline to your chin and even around your nose – are the most common symptoms. “The spots tend to be very small papules and pustules (red spots and whiteheads) in the above locations”, Nicola says.
“It is not a cystic type of acne which is usually larger lesions under the skin, but more a superficial type of acne. It can also be seen in those wearing visors, with similar eruption across the forehead.”

Note the bit about the warm, moist micro-environment under the mask. A happy home for bacteria of all kinds.
But you are told you just have to put up with it. Indefinitely. And that it will be worse in winter. Welcome to government-mandated self-harm.

The Victorian state , a nasty pseudo medical police state in action.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CEOerNCJ5SG/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

The Australian and NZ model for (our) future.

Remember swedenborg told us some time ago that the Spanish antibody tests were looking for anti-N antibodies? We saw from this paper that these antibodies peak early and drop quickly, while the actual anti-S1 antibodies that will neutralize infections are longer lived.

Now in the Lancet some calibration of the antibody tests the UK government is using by some people at Imperial. The government’s test is also looking for anti-N antibodies.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31830-4/fulltext

“Among 511 samples with Abbott binding ratios of 0·25 to less than 1·4 [which is the threshold for negative] , 294 (58%) had detectable anti-RBD antibodies”

In other words: 58% of people who had definitely had Covid-19 (according to Imperial’s test for anti-RBD, validated by another test for anti-S1) tested negative in the Abbott test, meaning the Abbott test will underestimate prevalence by a factor of at least 1.7.

In fact it’s likely that many people who had only a mild infection would also be negative in the Imperial test, so the true underestimate is likely to be a greater factor than 1.7.

The Abbott test had a specificity of 95.5% when calibrated against the Imperial test. It’s
known that anti-N antibodies can arise from other HCoVs.

The overall accuracy of the test therefore works out at 69%. Not a great deal better than the 50% theoretical minimum (I mentioned the buttercup test for whether someone likes butter the other day– it is 100% sensitive and 0% specific and has an accuracy of 50%).

Their conclusion:

“The UK Government’s decision to facilitate use of Abbott’ assay was intemperate. Anti-NP is insensi­tive in the field: why was this insensitivity not recognised by those who validated its use in the UK? Moreover, Abbott’s assay does not indicate accurately the presence of neutralising and potentially protective antibodies in the convalescent individual”

This was rolled out for patients as well in July . Many chose to have covid19 antibody blood tests in the surgery. A few of my elderly patients turned up to have antibodies, and they nearly all reported flu or cold symptoms in late April / May . Most people lose their antibodies within 6 weeks . Pointless test but I m sure the developer of the test made loads of money.

Haha love the buttercup analogy.

That helps explain quite a lot

We were talking about Lombardy the other day. These guys found 43% seropositive in one area near Bergamo. Somehow this turned into a claim that pervades Twitter and the MSM that levels of at least 60% (I still don’t know where that figure came from) are to be expected everywhere before anyone has any kind of herd immunity.

The Lombardy guys were looking for anti-S1 and anti-S2 antibodies. Not only are these completely incomparable to any results that were looking for anti-N (as the Lancet document shows), but this study shows that anti-S2 can indeed neutralize SARS2 but can also be found in people who never had Covid-19. These are cross-immunity antibodies from other coronaviruses.

Is an anti-S2 positive necessarily a false positive though? Well no, since those antibodies actually work against SARS2, and your body might have ended up using them because it had some left over (or memory cells for them) from a recent HCoV.

It’s very difficult to make an antibody test that can tell who has had a mild infection. If you have a bad infection in the hospital you are less likely to be using immune memory (or it wouldn’t have been so bad) and you are more likely to end up with the antibodies for the SARS2-specific epitopes the tests are looking for (although anti-N isn’t even that SARS2-specific).This is why they appear to have good accuracy when calibrated against severe cases.

We hear about killer-T cells being used for viral clearance. This is possible but there are also lots of ways to have a successful antibody response but test negative for whatever threshold of whatever exact antibodies they’re looking for.

Now that is worth knowing. Why are government seemingly oblivious to it though, when they should be able to access the best scientific advice?

The Lancet article links to a government document which was PHE’s assessment of the test.

It looks like their known true positive sample was 96 people with Covid-19 (in other words with symptoms, at least 14 of whom were hospitalized) who also tested PCR positive. They found a sensitivity of about 90%, but commented:

“It should be noted here that none of the patients with previously positive PCR who
tested negative by this assay had been hospitalised for COVID-19 disease and most
likely had a mild disease outcome.”

In other words the false negatives were “mild” enough not to be hospitalized.

They would have got a very different picture of the sensitivity if they had calibrated the test against mild or asymptomatic positives. But this is what you need of you’re trying to use it to assess herd immunity.

I didn’t think that the Imperial study I was invited to participate in via swab (binned letter as not ill, never had flu ever, didn’t think I’d be adding to the sum of human knowledge) would be assessing herd immunity, among other things. Do you know if it is? Too late now but I might have done it if so!

You need a small amount of blood for the antibody tests. If it was swabs it was presumably PCR testing.

We are listening to ‘Summer Record Review’ on Radio 3. Today’s featured ‘BBC Proms’ composer (!) is Bartok. I bet he’d love to know that but he’s in good company with the likes of Beethoven.

AG heard the person picking the Bartok extracts say something like ‘ Bartok had a great respect for Hungarian folk music and the people who sang and play it.’

It’s the only BBC we listen to now, a bit of a Saturday morning ritual, but, given it’s the BBC, is this a subliminal message? Does it mean that future historians will puzzle over a strange, risky, ritual. And, if you find any vocal music lying around, DO NOT attempt to perform it. Anyone caught doing this will be classed as a bio-hazard and forced to self-isolate for 14 days.

BTW, a woman behind the counter in a newsagents, muzzled up was actually singing behind her mask yesterday. I found it very disturbing. MW

Love Bartok. Especially his Concerto for Orchestra.
https://blogs.loc.gov/nls-music-notes/2018/09/bla-bartk-and-the-importance-of-folk-music/

FFS, Project Fear Mk iv is…’Brex-emic’ !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVIFedr3eYI

I read that Hancock is predicting ‘significant local lockdowns and national restrictions’ this winter as Covid and flu combine and people ‘spend more time indoors’ – queue the need to wear masks at all times outdoors?
When is this spineless useless government going to get a bloody grip? Where tf are the independent thinkers in parliament that will challenge this unadulterated bullshit?!

Chilling isn’t it?

No second wave but there will be ‘significant local lock downs and national restrictions’ because Herr Hancock says so.

hancock needs locking down

permanently

Keep everybody on edge and local councils even more obsessed with stupid stuff.

They’re following the script. No democracy – parliament is irrelevant. MW

Bozo said 3 weeks ago to be ready for the 2nd wave in 2 weeks. I think he needs a new crystal ball.

New balls of any kind would help.

He better find another medium. Or a Ouija board.
http://ouija-board.net/index.php

Our Fearless Leader.

IN Parliament?
Paid handsomely to stay away.

They are not spineless or useless.

It’s just that their aims are not what they might appear to be.

They are deliberately keeping the fear going to serve their agenda. And so far it is going very well for them.

Very true.No one could be this incompetent.Watch footage of foreign politicians speaking.They use exactly the same words and sentences when talking about Covid measuresAll reading from a script;who provided it is the question.

WEF

Fearless Leader.
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffnt&q=rocky+and+bullwinkle+fearless+leader+pictures&ia=web

Yes, we’ve got this from The Telegraph, along the same lines (paywall):

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/29/winter-surge-coronavirus-would-kill-81000-people-reasonable/

The headline is:

Winter Covid surge would kill 81,000 people in reasonable worst case scenario, leaked Sage papers reveal

What the bloody hell is a “reasonable worst case”?

An extract:

Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, has warned that restrictions may not be eased over Christmas to avoid an “uptick” in the number of Covid-19 cases.

BBC’s Newsnight reported a “reasonable worst-case planning assumption” presented to the Government warned there could be up to 81,000 excess deaths directly attributed to Covid-19 between July and next March.

The broadcaster said the scenario was laid out in a document signed off by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) for the Cabinet Office at the end of July.

Mr Hancock said countries in others parts of the world were already experiencing a second wave, adding it was “a very serious threat”.

I wish these chumps would stop using that ridiculous word “uptick”.

Reasonable worst case. Now where have I heard those words before? Oh yes, Neil Ferguson when he said that in a reasonable worst case scenario there would be 65,000 deaths due to Swine Flu in the UK. Total deaths were 457.

Leaked papers my ass!

Uptick a nasal swab up his nose.

So because people are spending more time indoors we’re going to put a stop to that by locking down and making them spend more time indoors. Wait, what?

“ Where tf are the independent thinkers in parliament?”

The term ‘hens’ teeth’ comes to mind.

Exactly what happened to the opposition? Do they accept everything Hancock says?

Hancock accepts everything they say. That’s the strategy: prevents Labour using the ‘heartless Tories’ line.

Wancock hasn’t been so much in the news lately. So he presses the LD hysteria button and … bingo!
I’m sure nobody on this site needs any guidance from me on where to tell Wancock to stick his e pxtensive anything.

He’s been in Cornwall on holiday. Just got back with a suntan.

It’s just utter, utter crud. We should be encouraging people to get out and about, socially interact, eat healthily, exercise, sleep, stock up on supplements etc so they’re as healthy as possible come winter – not lock them up again!

Cockup. Such a beautiful mind.

The ‘Unherd’ interview with Michael Levitt is a must (see above), for another rational dissection of the question of risk :

https://unherd.com/thepost/prof-michael-levitt-heres-what-i-got-wrong/

I have my usual concerns about his use of the rubber ruler of ‘excess deaths’, and I think his comparative timescales are too short to make sense of this term – but he is only following what has become an epidemiological ‘truism’ that is actually pretty imprecise.

However, his comments on the subject of Risk and proportionality are spot on – particularly in terms of whet he calls the ‘suicide’ of western society.

Another excellent interview from Unherd. Why oh why can our BBC not manage anything of this quality with all their funding. So refreshing to have an interviewer ask carefully considered questions with the aim to actually listen to the answer rather than creat a gotcha.

Of limited relevance if one Covid death carries the same weight as 1,00 deaths from other causes, because the government and media say so.

At last, some encouraging headlines from the beeb! (My emphases.)

Coronavirus: Is it time to move on?

Coronavirus: Why are deaths falling as cases rise? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53951764

There are many ways of counting Covid-related deaths, but they all show mortality peaked in April and has been falling ever since.
If we look solely at those who died within 28 days of a positive coronavirus test, this has fallen by 99% from nearly 1,000 a day to, on average, less than 10.
That compares to an average of 30 men a day who die from prostate cancer, and 30 women from breast cancer. Neither of these figures is read out nightly on the TV news, unlike the statistics for cases and coronavirus deaths.

…. True, confirmed coronavirus cases have been rising for a couple of months, but this can be largely explained by increases in testing. The number of swab tests done in the community has doubled since the start of July. More swabbing of noses and throats leads to more detection of the virus, but that has not yet translated into more hospital cases.

Unfortunately, he does fall into the habitual jargon trap. This quote: We are far from any sort of triumph over this brutal disease, gleefully seized on and amplified to 50-point by some party-line sub for the benefit of the skimmers, probably undoes much of the sanity in the article.

There’s the usual bit of utter nonsense too: Respiratory viruses don’t circulate as well in the summer months. …. So the virus has had less chance to jump from one person to the next.

He doesn’t answer the original question: Is it time to move on? so the conclusion is left to the reader. But he quotes some sensible scientists and puts some context with his figures. Just maybe it’s a sign that the wheels are starting to wobble a little on the beeb fearmongering juggernaut.

It’s very strange from him, as all of the pieces he’s given on the BBC that I have had the misfortune to watch he’s consistently pushed the HMG narrative that we’re all going to die.

I really hope this is the beginning of a real turning point. As the rest of the journalist herd see this kind of article, they may feel that writing what seems blindingly obvious (to us) is no longer going to get them in a Twitter shitstorm.

I worry that they are now moving away from the “cases/second wave” BS and have a new plan. I don’t know what it is but it’s probably going to be something to do with the weather getting colder and all colds and flu being tagged as Covid and all that entails…

‘Brex-emic’. Coming to a cinema near you very soon. I suppose we really should have expected this shite….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVIFedr3eYI

jump from one person to the next.

It’s a very agile virus .

This is mindblowing..
https://twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/1270925788389486593?s=09

Shows how the CCP have used social media to push the Covid19 farce

No PA system allowed at Trafalgar Sq demo – won’t be the same with X-R, will it?

September X-R protests planned to bring traffic in London to a halt.The problem is TFL have beaten them to it.

PA was allowed for the Gates of Baal or whatever weird 3D printed plastic 3rd scale arch ceremony this https://youtu.be/aHidhPgQwEk

What’s the rationale behind the ban?

Speakers are here just not being used!

To stop COVIDS blasting out the speakers OBVIOUSLY.

Things improving but still a lot of just shouting!

Presenter on LBC right now who previously was a complete lockdown lover is explaining how “cases” rising is actually not a bad thing as long as death rate not rising

Has the penny dropped?!?!

Listening too. Seems to be talking absolute sense so far.

Yeah, he pushed the logic of the Trafford Council member who was upset the government had lifted their local lockdown.

Good to see. He also railed against a poor caller who was scared schools were death traps. These people are regularly being shown to be out of touch now

I happened to sneeze into my handkerchief whilst we were in town and a young man swerved into the railings in the walkway to avoid me!

Ha, what will they do when they sneeze into their mask

no joke I witnessed a zombie sneeze into his muzzle recently

I think this sums up how effectively they have dumbed-down the masses

Exactly. Some describe masks as cloth petri dishes, which is exactly what they are!

Covid 19:84

“Matt Hancock claims backlog of up to 2.4 MILLION patients awaiting cancer treatment or scans should clear ‘within months'” Daily Mail

In other words 2.4 MILLION patients awaiting cancer treatment or scans should die ‘within months’.

Why would he state such a thing? Either it’s true or he has deliberately antagonised feeling. 2.4 cancer patients seen in months, others here will know if that is possible.

So, why is he deliberately talking to antagonise the nation?

Well, it probably will clear within months – about 200 or so might do it!

We should lockdown again to clear it

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu/consultation-document-changes-to-human-medicine-regulations-to-support-the-rollout-of-covid-19-vaccines

What could possibly go wrong with non health professionals administering unlicensed ‘vaccines’, where the manufacturers are indemnified against prosecution if anything did actually go wrong? Sign me up for a double dose! Well worth the half hour careful read, just ignore all the alarm bells that will ring, the technocratic state really does care about us.

Looks from Simon Dolan’s Twitter like he has heard that the flu and CV 19 vaccinations will be given at the same time.. the thread also contains this little gem:
‘ The Cv vax will contain gm malaria. The flu vax will sterilise the kids amongst other things and spread a “virus” as the 2nd wave.’

Hope this is not true..

Too much anti-5G at demo for me.

Thanks for roving and reporting. The demo is to move to parliament sq later for different speakers.

Same. 5g and NWO. Even Qnon gets a mention.

Though the rabbit hole awaits us all. Why is there such investment in this agenda when the science is clearly saying this is not a pandemic? The real agenda is not obvious so I am happy to listen to any and all speculation.

Live stream from Trafalgar Square:

BrandNewTube

“broadcast is offline”

for me at least..

Piers Corbyn on now. Sounds HORRIBLY like his brother. Effective though!

Anti Lockdown Protest London

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3uxwzgK_no

Sonia Poulton, I remember her from The People’s Voice. David Icke TV.

Latest from our local NHS health group – if we want a flu jab we have to go to an army airfield for a drive through injection while we stay in the car.
Far too dangerous at the surgery.
You couldn’t make this up!

And if you don’t have a car….
I have to pop down to our surgery next week to return a health questionnaire they sent me. No doubt they will insist on a mask just to give them the envelope at the door. It does seem at least that the media are waking up to the effective closure of the GP service.

That is bollocks beyond belief. I had a letter about the free flu jab I’m entitled to. I’m not putting up with crap like that. I’ll go to the chemists and pay for it, like last year.

If it’s free at the GP, it’s free at the chemist.

Ah yes, I forgot. Thanks.

Average age of coronavirus related deaths is over eighty. Life expectancy is under eighty. The virus is having zero effect on mortality.

It’s not ‘zero’ effect – but it is nothing exceptional. Just another season of infection.

As I say to potential sceptics – you’re better off dying with CCP Flu than other stuff! Seems to do the trick.

This is the central argument. You can die from any number and combinations of diseases. Mortality statistics are the only way of knowing whether we are doing better or worse than normal.

“Normal” is the only real parameter we can use to compare. If we spent enough money, we could always prolong the average lifespan by a small amount. The question is: what to spend the money on. A healthier diet when young? More exercise? Maybe better quality of life through hip and knee surgery? Medical intervention for the terminally ill? We could put paramedics on every street corner to get to stroke and heart attack victims quicker, but we don’t. We could do more cancer screening to catch it earlier, but we don’t.

To me, the mortality statistics just don’t justify the enormous allocation of resources to protecting against this virus. If all that money had been spent on children’s diet and education the net benefit would have been overwhelmingly greater.

Excellent point. I have occasionally thought that if the goal was actually to spend £x billion to “save” y number of lives then the best thing to spend it on would be access to clean water sources and mosquito nets. I’m not sure if the virtue-signallers go as far as valuing all lives equally though.

I’m glass half full today https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8676535/Jenny-Harries-says-face-coverings-evidence-not-strong.html -will the Government now accept that like Amsterdam and Rotterdam, you have to get rid of muzzles to get the shoppers back on the High Street?

Fair question! So you deserve an answer – NO, of course not: what do you think we have, an honest, sane, sensible and reasonable government?

Mrs Tenchy just returned from shopping in Middlesbrough. Saturday morning is usually packed. This morning – very quiet. A number of her favourite shops have permanently closed. However, I’m informed that in the shopping arcades (Hill Street and Cleveland Centre) only about 40% are muzzled. Inside the shops; about 100%. The council (Middlesbrough Borough Council), one of Britain’s worst (and that take some doing), have recently reintroduced car park charges.

Robert F Kennedy appearing this afternoon on Querdenken stage in Berlin.. check out Samuel Eckert YT live stream

got a link please? trying to share

found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IklUy5R9rSU

Yes thats it. Its been off and on but its working now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IklUy5R9rSU

Just got in, so haven’t read most of today’s posts yet, hence apologies if this has already been posted.

BBC Radio 4, Today programme this morning. At 8:10 there was an interview with that charlatan Ferguson, which I caught the tail end of and will listen to in full to later. When the interview finished, one of the presenters remarked that Scottish schools had been back for a while now, but that social distancing meant they had to spend breaks outside. The weather has been horrendous, hence many have got soaking wet and have had to spend the rest of the day in wet clothes. The presenters seem to be laughing.

So not only do they not see anything scandalously wrong here, they appear to think it’s funny.

Here’s the link:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000m4cw

Schools bit starts at 1:20:19

Yep, it’s all a joke at our expense. When are people going to realise and wake up???!!!

Children have been sun burned and returning home after a day in wet clothes. Documented in press.

You have to remember that these people are psychopaths who lack empathy for others.

That’s what I thought when I heard it – I actually found the exchange quite chilling.

Still haven’t played the Ferguson interview yet. I suppose I’d better steel myself and get through it.

this is better view of march

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkS_hyljVaY

Dolores Cahill about to speak.

V good, wish I was there. Encouraging to see so many people.

German police appear to have blocked crowds from athering at a central point. The police are now carrying off demonstrators who they blocked one by one. The people are sitting peacefully. The police are using violence. There is even a baby and a pram in the situation. The protests have been absolutely good natured and so far remain so.

Ruptly youtube channel for live streaming now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkS_hyljVaY

Thanks for that Not a bad sized crowd considering the weather isn’t that great.

Scale of Berlin cowds impossible to judge. Many, many, many people spread over many locations. One of the live streams had 55k watching.
Just to try and give scale. Endless people.

Just been to meet someone at a petrol filling station, they were late so I sat and did some people watching.

Amazed by the number of people sporting farce muzzles, even filling up with fuel, most people were zombified.

The few that did not have masks on when filling their vehicle magickally produced muzzles before entering the payment area.

I despair, people think they are going to die.

Look at the numbers, you are very unlikely to get ill, even less change of dying.

I know, crazoo. I was spying them in Morrisons last night. It’s almost muscle memory for them now. Walk to the front door, mask on, walk out mask off. The young maskless chap manning the till next to the one I was using closed it and then put a mask on to walk away. FFS how does the virus know when he is on the till or stacking shelves, sorry, silly me, It’s the clear perspex window at his till that was protecting him.

I was in Morrisons, late Friday evening, all traces of cv19 “protection measures” have now gone, little table at the entrance with goo, and barrel wipe is no more, but most shoppers are masked, I think I only noticed four not wearing a face covering.

Until recently the queue for the tills was controlled, no more, we are now back to the usual free for all, well we would have been if any of the tills had been open.

The mask or die message seems to be in enough people now that we can be allowed some of the old normal back.

or these shops finally realised that all these measures kept customers away (first week of masks – 2 million less footfall in supermarkets)

I’ve noticed this too which is progress although Thursday night had a bizarre conversation with another shopper at the checkout.

Mother and teenage daughter maskless at a till, hello I thought this is promising that’ll do for me so I started loading my shopping.

A woman jumped out of nowhere, mask pulled down hanging around her neck.

‘excuse me were next, we were queuing’

‘sorry, I don’t understand you weren’t standing behind these ladies’

‘i didn’t want to stand too close, my daughter and I were standing over there (nods her head about 20 foot behind me)’

‘sorry I still don’t understand, I apologise if I pushed in but the till was free, till 8 is empty it will be easier and quicker if you use that one’

‘no, I must use this one’

‘fair enough’ I went to till 8 packed and paid before the mother and daughter paid for their shopping, they did give me a knowing wink when we walked out.

Madness

As I do not wear a face covering I try to keep distance. Difficult with all the facecovered people thinking they can squeeze in/past.

Bloody hell, I’ve got it!! We just carry a small piece of clear perspex in our pockets and we are protected. Hurrah!

I filled up today, only person wearing a mask in the shop was the cashier and she wasn’t too happy about it.

No questions asked.

farce muzzles

Not sure if that was deliberate or a typo, but it definitely made me smile!

At the other end, babies wear arce muzzles.

I went to Wentworth Golf club to meet some members for dinner last night.
I was unprepared for their US style mask rules which required anyone moving around the inside of the building/club to wear a face nappy.
The front desk girl asked me if I had my own mask.
Totally unprepared I replied “I won’t wear a mask”
She was taken a back and asked “Oh do you have Asthma?”
In that moment I remembered that they don’t need to know why I could not wear a mask and I was not willing to pretend.

I’m sure my anger was on my face as I simply looked at her and said. “No.”
She was even more shocked and after handing my wife a mask she informed me I may have to tell the host at the restaurant why I wasn’t wearing a mask.
But by that point my back was up and didn’t care.

So I’ve still managed to stay muzzle free bar the MRI scan I had 2 months ago.

Well done on the muzzle free.

I feel really confident even in waitrose now. Bumped into a skeptic friend in local waitrose the other day and we were having a chat muzzle free. Laughing at how rebellious it was to talk without a face mask! Couldn’t believe we were saying it.

Also went into my husbands doctors to pick up a prescription on Friday. “Have you got a mask?” “No I’m exempt” “oh ok then”.

I was watching the latest Sean attwood interview with David icke this morning. Love him or loathe him he said we have to say NO, no violence, no arguments. Just say no.

https://youtu.be/kkQXnQ0plDA

Some questions

1) If coronavirus was such a dangerous disease why back in March even the BBC who like most of the MSM been pushing the fear porn narrative admit that 8/10 people will only get mild symptoms.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51214864

2) A clear sign of pandemic is that people would notice it without the media, the internet or the government with large numbers dying or at least suffering such severe symptoms they have to stay at home or need hospital care and local hospitals being overwhelmed. If we are in the middle of a deadly pandemic, why are there no visible signs and the things mentioned in my last sentence are absent. Why do I constantly read about people saying they don’t know of anyone with coronavirus. If we are in a pandemic, why is that without media hysteria and government lockdowns, no one would have noticed.

3) One justification for draconian lockdowns is that a disease is highly infectious. To the best of my knowledge the government has never presented any research evidence as to how exactly is coronavirus transmitted and what characteristics make the disease so contagious as to justify lockdowns. Why was this never done?

4) An issue I have with lockdowns is that healthy people with no symptoms have to endure lockdown rules. One possible justification is asymptomatic spreaders. Is there any conclusive evidence asymptomatic people can spread the disease? Is the notion of asymptomatic spread a myth because to me the idea is just too convenient for governments :-
·       If people were told only symptomatic people spread the disease people would have a clear idea who is infected. The idea of asymptomatic spreaders is an effective way of terrorising people as the idea is formed anyone can be carrying the disease.
·        If the idea only ill people with symptoms can spread the disease, lockdowns would be much harder to justify. Placing healthy people under house arrest would be difficult to justify if there was no possibility of them spreading the disease. Closing businesses would be difficult to justify if there was no possibility of healthy asymptomatic staff and customers spreading the disease. On the other hand, lockdowns which apply to everyone become much easier to justify if there is a possibility asymptomatic people can spread the disease.
·       Condemning healthy people for their behaviour and calling them covid idiots would not be possible to justify if there was no possibility of asymptomatic people spreading the disease.

On one hand we are told coronavirus is a deadly and dangerous disease and on the other we are told we develop no symptoms if we catch the virus. How is this blatant contradiction explained?

5) The justification for closing businesses was that staff and customers might spread the disease to each other. If this is the case, how do you explain what has happened in businesses which have remained open throughout lockdown? Supermarkets have remained open throughout the lockdown and staff have to deal with customers and handle goods which makes them vulnerable. To the best of my knowledge  there have been no cases of staff and customers dying or becoming severely ill. How do you explain this if a deadly and infectious disease is rampant? In view of what has happened in supermarkets, how can business closures be justified?

6) What was the logic in closing down some types of businesses? Bookshops, clothes and electrical shops are often very big and the customers are not spaced closely together which would make it difficult for a disease to spread. In hotels customers stay in their rooms and guest don’t mix together. What was the reason behind closing these businesses?

Knodding away here to all questions. Send those to your MP.

As for your point on people not knowing anyone who has had it,never mind die, I am the same. Don’t know a soul.

Yet, I am told its out there and to be scared. The whole thing is complete nonsense.

A clear sign of pandemic is that people would notice it without the media

Correct, masks or no masks I still haven’t encountered anyone in a supermarket or spoke to anyone who is currently sick, has been sick or looks remotely sick, no increased coughing, sneezing etc.

There’s a lot that the health professional just can’t bring themselves to articulate. It is taboo.

When an elderly person with dementia dies with an infection (sepsis, pneumonia etc.) we don’t openly say “best thing for them”, but we know that’s true. We also decide not to treat them.

I think what actually happened is that Covid cut a swathe through the terminally ill in hospitals and care homes. This is what caused the panic. The media picture shows an active and articulate granny who is at risk, not a bedridden granny suffering from alzheimer’s, double incontinence, effects of a stroke and a bit of chronic heart disease.

Good questions.With regards to number 2, I clearly remember reading somewhere either here or on Twitter where someone lived next door to a cemetery and all throughout lockdown has not seen the cemetery swamped with funerals. In fact, it was almost empty.

You would have thought that if we were indeed in a pandemic then cemeteries all over the UK would have been chock a block with funerals and queues of hearses snaking leading to the cemetery.

Meanwhile in China….all seems normal and quiet.

How can that be???

Seems odd that China has nowhere near the cases elsewhere in the world.

They treat and manage early cases with TCM. My TCM Doctor has given me such a lot of insight into what happened in Wuhan in the hospitals. The Western doctors over there eventually bought into it, then they quickly got it under control.

TCM? And the reason TCM is not used anywhere else?

What is TCM?

Turner Classic Movies. Channel 315 on Sky TV. They make patients watch this channel constantly and they recover in no time!

smiley face would be insrted here if I could do that from the laptop!

Just type it with colon, dash, parenthesis, like this
Watch it not bloody work now!

Well, well.

ooh yes! Thanks

Not sure if Turner Classic Movies has programmes about Traditional Chinese Medicine, by the way…

Traditional Chinese Medicine.

The large Wuhan hospital which was very westernised didn’t know how to handle/were overwhelmed with presentation of Covid patients and eventually under duress started working with TCM. There was one specific isolation hospital (covid patients got sent there with early symptoms) which only treated with TCM and outcome was excellent. The isolation hospitals were called Fangcang. I can’t remember the name of that particular one.

Apparently rest of China had a better outcome than Wuhan as they used a lot of TCM generally.

Whilst I do feel TCM helps me and I’m sure helped those patients in China (it works by boosting your natural immunity and balancing chi, it’s underlying belief /management system is v ancient and many think it’s woo woo), I’m not sure if it would help delving into it all, as China is so untrusted.

What it does say to me though, is that Wuhan did not see this coming. If it was an accidental leak from lab and cover up, that’s plausible or if other country involvement too, that’s also plausible.

I’m not sure that this shows that TCM works (although boosting the immune system is always valuable), it is more likely to show that the standard approach of putting people on ventilators did more harm than good.

Think that’s true. Although I’m not sure about the isolated hospital only treating with TCM. They did brilliantly. And also most of rest of China used more TCM. It’s empirical evidence in any case, so it’s of limited use.

And doe’s ground up tiger penis help erectile disfunction? I guess i will never know…

China are treating patients with high dose intravenous Vitamin C

Shanghai Government Officially Recommends Vitamin C for COVID-19

(OMNS Mar 3, 2020) The government of Shanghai, China has announced its official recommendation that COVID-19 should be treated with high amounts of intravenous vitamin C. (1) Dosage recommendations vary with severity of illness, from 50 to 200 milligrams per kilogram body weight per day to as much as 200 mg/kg/day.

These dosages are approximately 4,000 to 16,000 mg for an adult, administered by IV. This specific method of administration is important, says intravenous therapy expert Atsuo Yanagisawa, MD, PhD, because vitamin C’s effect is at least ten times more powerful by IV than if taken orally. Dr. Yanagisawa is president of the Tokyo-based Japanese College of Intravenous Therapy. He says, “Intravenous vitamin C is a safe, effective, and broad-spectrum antiviral.”

Richard Z. Cheng, MD, PhD, a Chinese-American specialist physician, has been working closely with medical and governmental authorities throughout China. He has been instrumental in facilitating at least three Chinese clinical IV vitamin C studies now underway. Dr. Cheng is presently in Shanghai continuing his efforts to encourage still more Chinese hospitals to implement vitamin C therapy incorporating high oral doses as well as C by IV.

Dr. Cheng and Dr. Yanagisawa both recommend oral vitamin C for prevention of COVID-19 infection.

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n16.shtml

the chinese that died were eaten by the other chinese. Probably, or was it all the dogs they ate?

I’ve been asking this question as well. There is simply no way that China’s deaths per million are 3 and total deaths are half of Canada’s. What the hell is going on??? There was a pool party in Wuhan with thousands of unmasked people shoulder to shoulder and I’m still housebound because I won’t wear a mask? Why is nobody asking these questions? No matter how much control the government has, there’s no way a country of 1.3 billion people isn’t mixing and mingling and spreading the virus. And why weren’t there bodies in the streets of Shanghai, Beijing, and all over China when the pandemic was supposedly raging? They reached herd immunity with fewer than 5,000 deaths in a country of that size??? WTF?

Worth taking a look at this article in the Spectator:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/sink-or-swim-chinas-zero-covid-strategy

which perhaps gives some insight.

Track the helicopter watching the demo in London now:
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=404a2e

I wonder how much that is costing the tax payer!

Helicopter’s that small £850-1200 an hour.

$1,954.80 per hour
Based on 450 annual owner-operated hours and $4.25- per -gallon fuel cost , the AIRBUS/EUROCOPTER EC 145 T2 has total variable costs of $519,268.50, total fixed costs of $360,391.50, and an annual budget of $879,660.00. This breaks down to $1,954.80 per hour .

and to think it could be put to so much better use hunting out children’s birthday parties and other heinous back garden guideline breaches as per Manchester police usage

probably less than this as googling indicates that police helicopters average around 1000 hours a year. variable costs will increase proportionally but contribution to fixed costs will reduce . So probably $1400 an hour .. which is top end of Awkward Gits estimate

I was just going by what I have to use for daily costs accounting supply us for when we fly helicopters for work.

If we can save costs by keeping guys ons its farther than fly a chopper we do it. If the guys are expensive and cost more then we fly one.

A Super Puma 20 years ago cost us £ 2500 an hour plus a fixed monthly cost of about £35000 I remember.

National Police Air Service, its gone back to base at North Weald airport . I think in a post some days ago it was mentioned that it costs about £800 an hour

Oops bad link

Love him or loath him David Icke does speak some sense.

Does anyone have an age breakdown of the new French cases?

Death rates remain low and as does severity of cases so curious how different the age profile is now to what it was in let’s say April.

If the death rate is low then this assumes young people are catching Covid, but surely some young people were infected in in March and April too?

So why the high death rate then and low death rate now?

What has changed?

Could be a crucial measure to keep panic under control.

who cares… it’s all bullshit anyway…

It’s BS that proves the original Lockdown BS was BS!

So why did cases drop? I am confused on the point you are making.

MSM are hanging on what happens in France as saving their narrative hence keen to understand more about what would have happened had there not been any lockdown.

Don’t hold your breath… they don’t need to save the narrative: They own the narrative…

correct!

Muzzle free suggestion;

Can we try to go shopping in pairs (or more) with other muzzle-free friends? Talking and smiling at each other hopefully helps to model behaviour.

I’m not trying to get people’s backs up. I understand people are genuinely scared and it’s not their fault with the propaganda they’ve been surrounded by.

You won’t be able to reason with the zealots, but there will be others dabbling in skepticism.

Let’s help pull them through.

I would love to do this if there is anyone in my locality

Already on the case – it’s very liberating!

My local butcher ahs a sign outside. “2 people at once” . As a joke I wanted to wait until a 2nd person wants to enter a shop, as I am just one at a time.

I wonder about pregnant women.
If a preggie counts as one person, you’re saying an unborn child is not a person.
If she counts as two people, she can’t enter the shop.

Johnson v Hancock

Do they get on or even talk to each other?

Johnson talking up return to office and his lap dog Shapps pandering to him yesterday saying that it’s safe to travel.

Meanwhile Hancock doom and gloom and new lockdowns today.

Aren’t those perspective conflicting?

Johnson can’t credibly argue the case for a return to normality because he was one of the tiny minority of people who were neither aged nor suffering from s serious health condition who have nearly died from the disease. He’s probably one out of a couple of hundred people in the country.

Thats if you think he did nearly die. I think it very unlikely he was at deaths door, simply because he was out of hospital so quickly.

At one time, I would have dismissed that kind of thinking, but after all this, I am happy to believe it was fake. “Look, even I had it, so everybody do as I say!”. Too easy.

in plain sight

I’d say he never had it.

A nervous breakdown perhaps but not any virus.

Suspect all the bullshit about 2 foreign nurses at his bedside 24 hours a day for a week.

Total bollocks.

Ditto. A great bit of smoke and mirrors, softening up the plebs.

And strangely enough none of the cabinet members died!

Exactly – whilst at the same time getting his orders from the elites as to what to do next… hence why Raab made no real decisions while Johnson was away.

Did you find it strange he rose off his death bed after 6 days which happened to be Easter Sunday. Was that a sort of subliminal message?

It was certainly a very strange co-incidence!

That was no coincidence!

Indeed, my landlady’s daughter, who works on the CV19 ward here in Sweden, said that most hospitalised people get a bit better after they are admitted, and then around day 10 is where they either get much better or get much worse, and can then end up in ICU. Most people are in ICU for several weeks – not just a few days like Johnson was…

Although I am beginning to wonder if it wasn’t a bit over-dramatised. A friend of similar age had pneumonia. He was not taken to hospital, even though people can die of it.

panic can multiply the dangers of breathing difficulties, lets face it, the Bozo clown is a creature of panic

Obesity for sure, probably high blood pressure as well.

5’7”@17.5 stone

BMI 38.5

Boris Johnson never nearly died, for Pete’s sake. When are people going to grow up in this country.

Boris Johnson’s big lie in, and lying; Part One
Boris Johnson’s big lie in, and lying; Part Two

stop lying about boris having covid, people think you are a 77th shill

He had the disease, and was struggling to shake it off at day 8/9, because he is careless, unfit and overweight. Suggest, however, on the basis of his gait, how he is clenching his left hand (see coverage from the VJ service at the Arboretum), and his inability to complete sentences, he had a stroke or has some other neurological condition. May have been brought on by the virus, but he was heading towards it anyway. Whatever, he is clearly not fit to govern and nor indeed is he governing. Handsy Hancock and fireplace salesman Williamson are out of their depth and out of control. The situation is dangerous.

That’s a thought-provoking line of reasoning and a plausible one. Clearly, as the photos of him before he went into hospital demonstrate, he was seriously ill at that time.

Whatever it was or wasn’t, his face now has an odd twisted look, as if the musculature has changed. Something isn’t right. Maybe he’s just been frightened out of his wits. Or maybe it’s something else.

You last three sentences are scarily correct – he isn’t governing and is incapable of doing do. Maybe he never was. The vacuum is dangerous.

But he did have a comorbidity because of his weight. Obesity causes inflammation so the body is already coping with being inflamed then battling an infection on top.

Iceberg (plastic) of CV-19 deaths v adverse impact

https://twitter.com/KeepLeftAndrew/status/1299345412294356993/photo/1

Finally the sheeple in Ireland are waking up.Opposition to further curbs on freedoms up from 27pc to 38pc. Still not enough but heading in the right direction.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/public-opposition-to-more-virus-restrictions-grows-despite-the-risk-of-national-lockdown-39487297.html

Berlin. Huge numbers are out. Huge.
https://youtu.be/8Hr-jdoq-dk

Properly peaceful. Good spirit. Noticable how many nations flags are being flown. Wonderful.

Berlin we salute you x

They’ll probably disperse them on SD rules, but the feeling is clear, the point has been made. Go, Berlin!

So, by about September 14th, they will all be dead. Not.

I’ve seen quite a few people being plucked out of the crowd by police, seemingly at random, and getting taken away. Does anyone know whether there’s any rhyme or reason… Or on what grounds they’re arresting entirely peaceful protestors?

This was quite disturbing to see, did this also happen in the protests earlier this month?
It also looked like the police were forming a line in order to separate groups of people and/or keep them out of some areas.

The current live feed, from a different location, is a lot more cheering – a literal sea of people with no police in sight.

From what I gather the arrests are happening on a strasse the police claim should be open. I e not have people sitting on it. There there’s thousands of peaceful people standing and sitting on the street doesn’t matter.

This is the tactic to get the photographs needed to discredit the protest. The other side of the brandenberg gate are thousands more peaceful people.

Some of those arrested wanted to be others didn’t.

Now we are in a market square of somekind off the road. This may be intelligence led targetting of individuals, ring leaders, at least that may be the supposed reason for arrest.

Again the protest have been properly peaceful. The only negative vibe has come with the stormtroopers.

No children dead of Covid-19. Because they haven’t been on the poisonous medicine for most of their lives.

SARS-COV to ACE2 binding and the dangerous Covid-19 truth
(Keep an eye on Berlin).

I’m probably a bit behind the times as i think this was posted four days ago, Denise Welch on YouTube, wow great interview re. Covid and a mega sceptic. Nice someone with press attention shouting about the stupidity of this farce. Well worth a look if you haven’t already and you can share to fb.

Hi John

I listened to this on TalkRADIO

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53947117
Playing football is definitively more risky for children than covid. Must ban all football.

Sounds good to me.

Last time I saw football George Best was playing for Hibs so ban it.

Yah boo humbug!

Isn’t that how social media works today?

Might have been posted earlier, but the London protest continues – looks like a great turnout.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spRFkh8B1YQ

Strangely the camera just panned onto a group of police – all wearing masks when no-one else is. Why are they wearing masks outdoors?

For the propaganda shots! It will look a stark contrast of the responsible vs the irresponsible.

Police taking sides again – surely not?

opMore like the human and the inhuman.

Well I’ve just seen some people hassling them for no reason….maybe they’re worried about getting spat on or something? I think it’s a shame they are shouting at the police who are basically just standing there – doesn’t look good for the general anti-mask/lockdown movement – imo

Because they can’t think for themselves.

Making a statement.

The police do not have to wear masks on duty. They are specifically exempt. Therefore the fact that they are wearing masks is completely a political statement to show that they support wearing masks

35,000 attendees has been mentioned.

Amazing that RT (Russia Today) will cover the event but not BBC.

Yes, what’s that about? Nothing on BBC front page about the London protest, or even the Telegraph. Why do we have to go to Russia Today to see a major event going on in London:
https://www.rt.com/on-air/499413-unite-for-freedom-protest-against/

I’ve almost completely switched to a variety of “alt” news sites during this silliness, because the gaps in reporting from sites like the BBC, Guardian etc are so glaring.

Obviously the downside is I have to put up with a higher proportion of posts about 5g conspiracies but it’s worth it.

Q,,, What is the difference between RT and the BBC
A . One is a state run propaganda outlet which hates the British public and disseminates lies and political views, whilst the other is a Russian TV station

That’s funny.

Thanks for link. It looks AMAZING!

Good on Jenny Harries for sticking to her view on masks. I had a feeling she wasn’t convinced.

She originally said that masks were of no use way back in March and may actually be harmful. The article is here.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-news-face-masks-increase-risk-infection-doctor-jenny-harries-a9396811.html

Yeah I got the same idea too.

https://brandnewtube.com/videos/category/659?page_id=1

This is a new website I discovered today. I watched an expose of Bill Gates and his vaccination agenda. I’m doubly sure I wont be having it!

New platform started to avoid YouTube censoring or removing videos.

Just spotted this on the BBC website – it is probably too much to hope for a change of stance as they are banging on about a resurgence in the winter, but at least it is starting to ask some of the questions.

“Coronavirus: Why are deaths falling as cases rise?” (Fergus Walsh)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53951764

I was going to post about this, it takes the usual “second wave if we don’t all do as we’re told” line but the fact that they’re even discussing this sort of thing may be a step in the right direction. Though the critical line confirmed coronavirus cases have been rising for a couple of months, but this can be largely explained by increases in testing. is easy to miss!

Also, referring to cancer deaths – Neither of these figures is read out nightly on the TV news, unlike the statistics for cases and coronavirus deaths. On the one hand, it’s good that even the BBC are admitting stuff like this… on the other hand, the BBC were/are one of the main sources of this sort of “TV news” fearmongering!

I suspected this might happen – the media starting to U-turn on “project fear” whilst pretending they weren’t the ones responsible for it (or at the very least, enabling it) in the first place.

Along similar lines to the BBC article even the NY Times are questioning the effectiveness of PCR tests: https://t.co/rR4aBDK4Xl?amp=1

I posted about this earlier today too.

Come and get it folks

This is a joke?

No. Its not.

https://www.preferredprotectiveequipment.com/student-teacher-education-ppe

sick

I put a suitable comment on their website. Please, everyone, do likewise.

AHH, the wonderful perspex – anti covid.

World has gone fucking mad, do people actually believe this shit.

Unfortunately yes. Far too many of them.

Yes they do.

Good grief!

How’s this for a headline (Daily Mail)

Thousands of cornavirus [sic] conspiracy theorists gather in London: Huge crowd of anti-vaxxers who say pandemic is a ‘New World Order’ HOAX join Jeremy Corbyn’s brother and David Icke in Trafalgar Square

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8676875/Thousands-anti-maskers-believe-pandemic-HOAX-march-against-lockdown-London.html

LOL! it might help if the headline writer could spell.

The top comments are all sceptical. It looks like things have really turned now…

Just looked now. Trolls out in force.

If there’s not a NWO being created, why are health passports being introduced in Ireland?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U88ZKJhztiM&feature=youtu.be
Note the similarities with China..

Why are the police corralled inside sheep pens?

That is the entrance to Downing Street

Wolf pen then!

They’re grazing.

Having got to the end of all the brilliant photos, I found this threat rather worrying:

Meanwhile, Conservative MP Tobias Ellwood said ‘draconian action’ could be needed if the public do not stick to social distancing rules, hinting the Government could take stronger action than local lockdowns.

Ellwood is a leutenant colonel in the 77th Brigade.

BBC say Berlin told to disperse, Youtube doesn’t seem to agree. A lot of police moving in in London.

Lots of police in London hiding behind masks.

I saw that. What bullshit. It was a patronising article from BBC.

BBC are lying.

The surprise is when they don’t.

Went for a walk this afternoon through the woods close to where we live. Called in at our local Tesco to get some wine, it’s on offer, for Mrs smileymiley. About 95% muzzled in store, very sad. Got to the till behind a lady loading a few things on the conveyor. She looked at me for a while, I smiled.
You’re a bit close she said. I was admittedly not 2m away, but no closer than 1.
I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to get too close to you, but it doesn’t matter.
Don’t you have to? she said
No, it’s only guidance & you don’t have to wear a mask
Don’t I?
So I told her about the exemptions, she didn’t know about them.
You don’t like wearing them do you?
No
Then you can refuse because of duress, nobody can challenge you or ask for evidence.
I don’t want to give it to anyone, that’s why I wear it.
Mrs smileymiley said if you had Covid19 you’re obviously asymptomatic & there is very little chance of you passing it on.
I told her where to look for the guidance on gov.uk & the easier to read Law or Fiction.
She paid for her shopping & asked me for the site again & said she would have a look.
I think she was quite relieved that I had talked about it in the first place.
Hopefully another sceptic in the making.

Details on legal exemption for masks is all in one place, along with masks in the news and links to other sites.

https://nomasks.info/

Pass the website link on.

However, the health passport has already arrived in Ireland – that was quick… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U88ZKJhztiM&feature=youtu.be
Just like the Chinese system…what a surprise (not)…

Looks like it’s a private company flying a kite. I hope, and think likely, that the kite will come crashing down soon. There was a similar idea in the UK back in March or April; not heard anything about it since.

I hope you’re right and it is a private company. They stupidly left comments turned on for the video linked above. Hundreds of angry comments.

It is a private company

Well done!

Hilarious reporting of the protests. Have a google. Theme is that protests are about “coronavirus is a hoax”.

BBC just led with a Jeremy Corbyn’s brother arrested and a picture of him looking like a mad professor.

So basically we are all mad, conspiracy theorist nutters!

The police love to arrest him

Give it a thought. If they bend this so far out of shape as to be unrecognisable – what else are they doing? Essentially msm create a false reality for people to exist within.

I’m not sure that’s unfair. This was not a protest about libertarian issues, or economic issues, or political cockup, it was organised by conspiracy theorists & the speakers were spouting no end of nonsense. I thnk if you’d taken a poll fewer than 50% were in tune with the speakers. I think we need our own forum & avoid getting mixed up with the tin foil hatters.

You can’t separate them though. Where does mask wearing fit in? Why are we being forced to wear them? Is that a conspiracy or libertarian issue? I think it’s both.

Okay then – you organise a rally/protest – I’ll help/come along. In the meantime…
The most satisfying thing about being there for me was simply to be in a crowd of people looking and behaving as per normal.
I did think Piers Corbyn’s invitation to hug the person next to you – and do it again with someone else – was clever and funny – more effective than any speech – a truly subversive moment.
Maybe it doesn’t really matter who organised this one – it didn’t matter to me that much that the speakers and the organisation were poor – apart from Dolores Cahill who’s obviously had a bit of practice at mass gatherings and Piers – who is eccentric and charming.To stand up and be counted felt good. To be able to say I did what I could to my grandchildren though it might not be much…I’m grateful that the tin foil hatters gave me an opportunity.
And we might not agree, but lots of people think we are tin foil hatters.

Thanks. I appreciate hearing about your experience of the day. I wasn’t able to get there but if I had I believe my thoughts would align with yours.

Maybe the other 50% were just curious onlookers, or out for a stroll. Who cares what the BBC calls it.
https://unitynewsnetwork.co.uk/revealed-bbc-charity-receives-millions-in-funding-from-gates-foundation/

Unfortunately, some of the protesters were saying that, which undermines the argument as it’s easy to refute.

“No police officers injured in largely violent protests”

This is the BBC bio of the “reporter” who is complaining on twitter on Simon Dolan’s twitter stream about the NHS employee whistleblower.

Total nobody specialising in “fake news” and “disinformation” for the BBC – one of the world’s biggest purveyors of fake news.

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/shayan-sardarizadeh-0121555a

Sent my rebuttal of the BBC Complaint’s department to him with this at the beginning:

“I saw some twitter of your’s today.

As you claim to know so much about covid-19, deal in disinformation and verify facts and your employer is one of the biggest generators of fake news in the world can you please answer the complaint below and questions in the open letter to Boris Johnson et al that has been ignored by every mainstream broadcaster and newspaper:”

Don’t expect an answer.

https://twitter.com/JohnDStats/status/1299689935897866246
The best information about France. Data very inconsistent sudden increase in hospitalizations/ ICU one day and next day fell back. At the same time enormous amount of discharges. One day doubling of death, next day back to previous figures. Complete disaster in data from the country of logic and reason.

Collecting accurate hospital stats is very difficult and day to day comparisons are largely meaningless. The process is usually highly devolved and inconsistencies are rife. You can only look at long term trends

Thanks for this Swedenborg.

I’m still very confused by the situation in France, bad/confusing daily data notwithstanding. They seem to have a consistently much, much higher level of bed occupancy than we do, with a roughly equivalent population size. I can’t think of an explanation.

They like beds?

Assuming it isn’t purely an “accounting artifact” or the result of increased tests, the situation sounds a bit like that in some parts of the US (Florida, Arizona) after they relaxed lockdown.

Are there areas of France where the virus hadn’t spread much pre-lockdown (this was/is certainly the case in Italy and Spain) and is the increase in cases there rather than in Paris or other previous hotspots?

Berlin Live .. Bittel TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZmdOGYuGDU

I found the link to the latest Quebec propaganda poster campaign. They found 4 brainwashed Hip Hop artists and asked them to do a presentation. With our money.

https://www.lbbonline.com/news/government-of-quebec-joins-forces-with-hip-hop-stars-for-all-against-one-all-against-covid-19

Makes my blood boil. I tried reaching out to our taxpayer-funded medical officer of health for our county and I might as well have banged my head against the wall. We have had zero deaths and have zero cases and yet he extended the mask mandate. I asked how far below zero we had to get in order to at least revert back to voluntary mask use and I got a bunch of gibberish that amounted to, “I’m just following orders” (CDC, WHO, etc.). He considers the science settled. What a twat.

I just saw the same posters on another wall surrounding a building site yesterday. Allagainstone. Who is one? Covid? Skeptics? In French it’s touscontreun. Reminds me of The Three Musketeers motto.

Influencers. Art is a different thing.

Here are top 5 of the week for socially responsible ads. PHE came in 3rd, Quebec Hip Hop garbage finished 4th. Who are these people?
https://www.adforum.com/top5/socially-responsible

Have you seen the double-speak Vistaprint advert running on TV at the moment?

“This is not a mask” is the strap line throughout whilst showing people in a variety of, you guessed it, masks. What the actual fuck?

On this basis, we could run some opposing ads. How about a strap line of “This is a pandemic” whilst showing empty wards in hospitals, or maybe “This is UK democracy” whilst running pictures from the empty chamber in the commons?

The funny bit is the small print at the end of the add telling you their masks are absolutely fucking useless at protecting you from anything.

That’s to protect them from any potential lawsuits from disappointed, gullible customers.

https://files.catbox.moe/pp4g4o

this is not a jockstrap

Those masks are freedom don’t you know? They also let us show our solidarity to each other!

That’s exactly what the new Quebec Government taxpayer subsidized poster says. A face of Solidarity. The three others say respect, conviction and courage. That’s Nazi/Stalinist/EastBerlin/CCCP style propaganda. And the people are so grateful to our Premier for protecting us. Yikes! Montreal used to be a hip city, now it’s almost dead.

Yes I have seen it. It’s a fashion statement, I guess. Anything to make money. Vultures.

test post

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this not a jockstrap

oh I give up..

Been there, done that, got a selection of tee shirts.

Check out the crowds in Berlin. Impressive stuff.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEel2HsHNdL/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Don’t have instagram…any other way to see the pictures?

I’m not on instagram but the link opened up straight away on my laptop. A big crowd there!

are you logged into something? fb maybe?

I can’t see it without logging in

would you be able to upload a copy to catbox.moe and post here?

are you logged into something? fb maybe?

I can’t see it without logging in

would you be able to upload a copy to catbox.moe and post here?

Here you go

wow

danke!

No social distancing there.

Thanks, saved me finding out how to do the catbox thing!

Wow! A few more than reported

Just been watching the protest in London.
I love this placard:
”Covid cure.
Strict 90 day no TV diet”

I might put that on my front door.

That should be included in a 12 step Covid recovery programme.