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109523 ziggee, 20, #1 of 1269 🔗

World’s gone mad

109526 PWL, replying to PWL, -25, #2 of 1269 🔗
109591 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to PWL, 26, #3 of 1269 🔗

Unfortunately this articles does hit the nail on the head. Icke will always be linked with crackpottery based on his previous record even if he may be right.

What this event needed was figures like Toby, Hitchens, Heneghan, etc to give it credibility and attract more people who are believing the mainstream account.

Icke knows that his presence would affect the credibility of the event and should not have not appeared, but Icke is about making money and always has been so will never give up the chance to self publicise himself.

109629 ▶▶▶ Alison9, replying to JohnB, 4, #4 of 1269 🔗

Good assessment.

109685 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JohnB, 13, #5 of 1269 🔗

I’d agree. It’s a pity in a way, as his message is ultimately about love.

With anything something only needs to have 10% truth for it to be believed. As with 5g.

But his view on this virus is very close to the mark in terms of origin, the lockdown measures and his interviews with BRIAN Rose at London Real do stick to this in the main

109727 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to JohnB, 13, #6 of 1269 🔗

Agree. TBH even Mr Young isn’t ideal as a figurehead as he’s seen as an evil Tory. Even Hitchens, though in his case he’s not a Tory. Dolan is attacked as a heartless businessman who doesn’t even live in the UK. Someone like Sumption would be best. Heneghan is best as a scientist rather than explicitly supporting a movement. Not disrespecting in any way the work done by Icke, Young, Hitchens, Dolan and not disrespecting “consipiracy theorists” who in general I think are wrong but I am not sure and it doesn’t matter anyway.

110208 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, 1, #7 of 1269 🔗

I nominate Alistair Haimes. On Delingpod, June 20, 2020. Along with Dominic Frisby.

110775 ▶▶▶▶ Squire Western, replying to Julian, 1, #8 of 1269 🔗

Toby is only seen as an ‘evil tory’ by people of such repellent opinions they should be ignored. Attempting to choose a ‘moderate’ is to play by their rules and is foolish.

109871 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JohnB, 4, #9 of 1269 🔗

The article has it right. I was there, and it was pretty much the feeling I took away. Most of the people attending had their heart in the right place, but Saturday would win lockdown scepticism no new friends.

110082 ▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #10 of 1269 🔗

Which is exactly why I wasn’t there. The lack of serious people and the ranting conspiracy loons just shoot the rest of us in the foot.

110160 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 10, #11 of 1269 🔗

Not going because there won’t be enough people like you is rather ironic, don’t you think?
What’s that quote about evil triumphing while good men do nothing?

110170 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #12 of 1269 🔗

Yes absolutely correct. I attended and talked to people, and there were lots of normal people from all sorts of backgrounds just frustrated with the situation of being ignored and unrepresented.

It was a complete mix of society and backgrounds not just metropolitan elite or far left like many protests. We had to try to do something. I have been writing to newspapers and my MP for months it does absolutely nothing.

110222 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Darryl, 5, #13 of 1269 🔗

Well done Daryl. You did your bit and I applaud you unlike the miserable whingers who blame Ickes and Piers Corbyn presence as a reason they didn’t get off their backsides to attend the rally. Yes you all know whom I talking about! They werent the only speakers there!

110557 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Darryl, 1, #14 of 1269 🔗

Yes, indeed! Except for the calling of them ”elite”. They’re NOT.

110174 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Cheezilla, -3, #15 of 1269 🔗

So the best way to have challenged Hitler would be to have gone on a Communist march even if you think Commies are as bad as Nazis? This is not a bipartisan issue and because I object to government policy, don’t wear a mask and won’t be vaccinated with an untested vaccine against a not very dangerous virus does not mean I am an ally of 5G anti vaxxer conspiracy nut jobs. Evil is not going to be defeated by good people riding the crazy train.

110189 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 3, #16 of 1269 🔗

The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.
The spoon long enough to sup with some devils does not exist

110205 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Strange Days, #17 of 1269 🔗

Absolutely. I could not agree more Steve.

110783 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Strange Days, #18 of 1269 🔗

I’ll go with the reasonable non-conspiracy theory majority here – the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Unless your experience of warfare is considerably greater, SD ?

110197 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Paul Chandler, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 8, #19 of 1269 🔗

Actually it may be (defeated by good people riding the crazy train). Unfortunately we can’t choose our fellow protesters, but the stakes are so high that we must stand up now, before it’s too late. I was at the protest and most of the people I mixed with were normal. I was surprised how uplifting it was being in a crowd of people who were behaving normally and smiling.
We must be aware that we (who attended) are now all criminals – if the likes of Piers C are prepared to put themselves forward and be fined on our behalf then that’s fine.
Paul Chandler

110265 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Paul Chandler, 6, #20 of 1269 🔗

Totally agree. This was about getting out and showing that we are not buying the narrative and the lockdown was wrong then and wrong now. A line in the sand if you will. This was not the time for sitting back and feeling queezy about certain individuals. And I say that as someone not a fan of Icke. But both he and Piers (who I like) were however the best speakers of the day.

110360 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jane, replying to Paul Chandler, 7, #21 of 1269 🔗

Politics makes strange bedfellows.
Rinse and repeat.
Actually, if you all check out James Corbett’s report on Bill Gates, you might think a bit differently about what is conspiracy and “fringe,” and what has become our new normal in terms of actual events. Who, one year, or even six months, ago would have dreamed of the craziness we are now experiencing, esp, in, say, Victoria and Scotland?

Don’t be so quick to assume that your views are normal and everyone else is a loony. And go to the protests.

Some of the comments here remind me of how the protests against the Iraq War were reported and *shown* in the media. On one demo I attended in Washington, DC (traveled from Boston to do so) there were many normies such as grandparents and parents with kids/grandchildren etc. along with a few of the purple hair/pierced nose set. Guess what types of photos appeared in the MSM.

Don’t discredit and deride those who are your potential allies just because they use a differetn style. Understand that extremer fringes are NECESSARY for a “reasonable middle” to be established.

110595 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ drrobin, replying to Jane, 4, #22 of 1269 🔗

Ditto. Like many I so wish this 5G and anti Vax message wasn’t present. Rubbish and distraction. But it is apparent that this vaccine specifically is a different story, and Corbettreport.com etc offer a superb documentary on Gates and pharmaceuticals. No conspiracy present. It does no harm to watch something, read references, and draw ones own conclusion.

110788 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to AngloWelshDragon, -1, #23 of 1269 🔗

So the best way to have challenged Hitler would be to have gone on a Communist march even if you think Commies are as bad as Nazis?

If the Nazis have the government, the courts, the police, big business, and the media – of course !

… because I object to government policy, don’t wear a mask and won’t be vaccinated with an untested vaccine against a not very dangerous virus does not mean I am an ally of 5G anti vaxxer conspiracy nut jobs.

Yes it does. Ally doesn’t, and never has, meant agreement on all points. Or even some points. It means united against a common foe, in a specific conflict.

Sorry if this makes you feel grubby.

Evil is not going to be defeated by good people riding the crazy train.

Me good you crazy. I can at least follow the logic, it’s the conclusions it generates I find more difficult.

110553 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #24 of 1269 🔗

You’re right. Even if we knew that some who are seen as ”conspiracy theorists” would be there, we should STILL not allow them to gain the moral high ground. That is OURS.
I wasn’t able to be there, sadly. I will be should there be a gathering nearer to my home – but we MUST show our support, even if we know that those seen as ”nutters” are high profile enough to muddy the waters. It’ll even out in the end, and we’ll gain ground.

109918 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to JohnB, 14, #25 of 1269 🔗

Icke is simply telling it like it is. The long planned Covid-19 event is not just about lockdowns, masks and other irritating distractions. It is about Bill Gates, control, mandatory vaccines and population reduction. We are in a fight for our very survival and shooting the messenger isn’t going to help one bit.

109981 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Rowan, #26 of 1269 🔗

Crackpot conspiracies preceded Covid 19 and their adherents simply import them into every issue.

110268 ▶▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Jonathan Smith, 14, #27 of 1269 🔗

If cv19 hadn’t actually happened and someone explained the plan to shut down half the world with a virus that was responsible for some 0.06% of deaths there would be people shouting ‘conspiracy theorist’. Trouble is that actually happened. And people are still shouting ‘conspiracy theorist’.

110561 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 1, #28 of 1269 🔗

Watch ”Amazing Polly” on Youtube. Yes – she’s enthusiastically extreme – but, then, perhaps those who are our enemies need to be shouted at.

109998 ▶▶▶▶ ianric, replying to Rowan, 16, #29 of 1269 🔗

I understand Icke has strange views but I feel he has made valid points regarding coronavirus and lockdowns. Icke believes that one purpose of lockdown is destroy small and medium sized businesses so that big businesses have a monopoly. Lockdown is a perfect way of achieving this. For months vast numbers of businesses couldn’t legally operate which then has a knock on effect on other businesses. If these businesses close supermarkets and Amazon have less competition. Another theory Icke has is that lockdowns are deliberately designed to create mass unemployment so that people become dependent on the government which is an effective means of controlling the population. Lockdowns have created massive job losses.

110114 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to ianric, 10, #30 of 1269 🔗

I don’t go in shops any more since I can’t stand being surrounded by masked zombies. I never use Amazon. Instead, I am doing a lot of my shopping on eBay. Shops on eBay are largely run by individuals and small businesses, just not always ones with high street storefronts.

110178 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #31 of 1269 🔗

Yes, but the downside is Ebay and Paypal take a large percentage of the sales price and can kick you off the platform at anytime. They have a very dominate market position (and I bet they don’t pay much in the way of UK corporation tax as they will have an Irish European HQ).

110232 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to ConstantBees, #32 of 1269 🔗

I use Amazon and eBay.

110599 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #33 of 1269 🔗

I agree. If I venture into a shop I have to hand a light chiffon scarf. That’s only for use if the assistant is wearing one, as a courtesy. Muzzles make me feel coerced, embarrassed and fraudulent. I will NOT wear one. And I know I’m not alone. We should all sign the petition:

110146 ▶▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to ianric, 1, #34 of 1269 🔗

Small businesses such as John Lewis, M&S, Debenhams, BP, BA, Rolls Royce?

110381 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ ianric, replying to Strange Days, #35 of 1269 🔗

I agree that Icke doesn’t mention that big businesses are also hit by lockdowns.

110183 ▶▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to ianric, 1, #36 of 1269 🔗

Lots of people believe that. Icke brings nothing new to the debate morally or intellectually but he brings a hell of a lot of baggage. For anyone that wants to dismiss sceptics as not the full ticket Icke’s involvement paints a target on all our backs.

110084 ▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Rowan, #37 of 1269 🔗


110212 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Rowan, 1, #38 of 1269 🔗

Shoot Bill instead.

110228 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to richard riewer, 6, #39 of 1269 🔗

I wish someone would! There are a lot of evil people about but Piers Corbyn and David Icke aren’t evil!

110790 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JohnB, 2, #40 of 1269 🔗

It’s the old stopped clock syndrome again – can be right a couple of times a day.

But Icke is much too associated with barmy Moony-type stuff to be other than a drag on any cause that he hitches his wagon too.

110826 ▶▶▶ rational actor, replying to JohnB, #41 of 1269 🔗

When I hear things like this I always think of Alex Jones at InfoWars. In the first place, if people identifying as ‘journalists’ had chosen to do their jobs, Jones would still be broadcasting a radio show from his spare bedroom. The fact that he is not, is not proof that millions of people are conspiracy theorists, but that millions of people think they’re being lied to and want an alternative point of view, and he’s the one providing it. And as much as Jones is called a crackpot, he was the first to home in on Bilderberg meetings and ask questions about them. When several dozen very influential and very busy people get together for a couple of days and tell the world there is nothing to see, it is right to ask questions.

I am probably less bothered by Icke and his lizard people simply because as an American I have a high tolerance for harmless crackpots. This country was built on them. But why can’t the crackpots be right sometimes, and say so when everyone else is too worried about their social standing to speak out? The other side is built of crackpots (men can be women, abolish the family, your compliance is freedom), so do you really think that sober argumentation is making a dent in their beliefs? They are scared, and driven by emotions. If you told them to wear a hazmat suit to Tesco they would make one out of garbage bags. What you need right now is everybody available to focus on two things: no more lockdowns, and no mask mandates. If Pol Pot agrees, that’s fine. You’ve already discredited yourselves by promoting these ideas, so don’t imagine that a better class of front man is going to help you.

109531 Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 32, #42 of 1269 🔗

I don’t think protests work.When over a million people marched against the war in Iraq it achieved nothing.The only protest that would have an effect would be a violent one along the lines of the poll tax one.
The only way I can see us getting out of this nightmare is when economic reality hits home.

109533 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 32, #43 of 1269 🔗

Voting for a party that will pursue a new policy will have an effect as we saw with UKIP and TBP – it scared the Conservatives into holding a referendum and delivering on Brexit. The problem we seem to have is that there no party to vote for that is clearly opposed to Lockdown Lunacy or Mask Misery. If TBP are opposed to the Covid Crap I haven’t heard them come out and say it. While border security is of vital importance it’s odd that Farage is focusing on that at this juncture, rather than the far more immediate peril of the lockdown threat to liberty.

109909 ▶▶▶ steve, replying to OKUK, 18, #44 of 1269 🔗

Billy Connelly once said it doesn’t matter who you vote for, the government always get in.

It took me 30 years to realise that this was 100% correct.
The utter fckwits who “run” this show are a disgrace and I’m done with voting for any major party.

I’ll vote for any random nut job independent just to take the vote away from the 2 main parties.

You can’t slide a piece of power between the policies of either Cons or Labour.

Same circus different clowns

110011 ▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to steve, 12, #45 of 1269 🔗

100%. I spoilt my ballot paper in December. In the absence of the Brexit party or similar, I would have voted Tory but the utter nonsense Al Johnson et al were coming out with about the NHS and climate change made me realise just how un-conservative they had become. I think that many people who voted Tory simply did so to stop Labour rather than it being a positive choice for their policies.

Going forward, I will either spoil my paper again or vote Labour. The rationale behind the latter option, is that if the only way for people to wake up is to make things crazier and quickly. To make this happen then I might as well vote for the most extreme version of both bunches of idiots. I call it acceleration theory. If you’re going to go through hell, then you might as well get it over with quickly!

110064 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #46 of 1269 🔗

Sheesh, what an option!

109552 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 16, #47 of 1269 🔗

I don’t believe in them either but I applaud those who get off their arses and make a stand in public with fellow like-minded people. Our fight back really needs to be about freedom and other core issues only.

I’m as CT (I refuse to acknowledge the full label) as they come but I learned long ago to keep all that to myself. It really doesn’t flipping matter at a time like this. The A holes are clearly in charge of things, good enough for me. We are clearly being f’d over across the world so let’s fight for our freedoms and keep the whodunits on the downlow. Maybe it’s a cop out but I see it as the only way to reach the masses, of whom many are currently enjoying their superhero status as mask wearers and caring folks.

We’re all psycho paths anyway, as a study has just suggested. Let’s put on a face that people are drawn to rather than repulsed by. The C word is just repulsive to many in the mainstream. C makes it so easy for them to light us up as crackpots. We have enough ammunition to make our stand without it.

109567 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Eddie, 10, #48 of 1269 🔗

CT ? Must be leading too sheltered a life.

I feel that I’m doing my little bit by having the necessary facts to hand when somebody tries to strike up conversation by expecting me to agree that “isn’t the Covid terrible…”

109647 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to karenovirus, 3, #49 of 1269 🔗

I’m guessing conspiracy theorist

109735 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #50 of 1269 🔗

Oh yes, thank you. Probably me overthinking on that one.

109880 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Eddie, 2, #51 of 1269 🔗

Agree there Eddie. We can argue this through the mainstream, we can catch up with the rest later.

109564 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 8, #52 of 1269 🔗

The fact that the BBC reported that the “Berlin protest against lockdown measures” was to be allowed on appeal might, for some people, be the first time that concept had entered their head.

109734 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to karenovirus, 9, #53 of 1269 🔗

Agree. Protests don’t work per se but it all helps and props to those who bothered.

What we need is a massive campaign to re-educate the public with the truth about the virus, to counteract the brainwashing they’ve been given. This would change public opinion and push the government in the right direction.

109750 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Julian, 13, #54 of 1269 🔗

I think that would be difficult and require consensus and end up an us and them situation. My views are each of us take some actions personally, examples are….

Go to shops unmasked with a friend who is scared to be unmasked

Provide some facts and figures to those who are turning (not zealots) NB everyone will be on a different part of spectrum of turning

Don’t force, cajole or shame. If anything, try to understand and show empathy to a zealot. You are much more likely to get them to take on board facts eventually if you show empathy first

War strengthens the opposition.

109809 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Country Mumkin, 5, #55 of 1269 🔗

Which is why I wait for them to start the conversation which most do in preference to the weather.

109912 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Country Mumkin, #56 of 1269 🔗

Quote “War strengthens the opposition.”

Which is why we ought to have more women in positions of power. Golda Meir led the most united government in Israel’s history. Some newly-promoted women take offence if they are asked to pour the tea at a board meeting; Mrs Meir MK sat all her cabinet ministers down and went round the table pouring their coffee and until the biscuits were handed out, the cabinet meetings didn’t start.

109913 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to RichardJames, 3, #57 of 1269 🔗

I will make an exception for the nasty Cressida Dick.

109958 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to RichardJames, 4, #58 of 1269 🔗

And after coffee she started the land grabbing six day war and she also attacked the USS Liberty killing 34 US sailors and injuring hundreds more.

110839 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jane, replying to Rowan, #59 of 1269 🔗

Not a fan of Golda Meir, the Six Day War, land grabs, etc.
But I like the coffee anecdote. Meir was not a “stupid dame” and she would not have let someone else’s image of a powerful leader get in her way. She was cutthroat.
She didn’t change from cutthroat when she poured the coffee.
It shows that there are lots of ways to handle and wield and project power.

110187 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to RichardJames, #60 of 1269 🔗

I have no objection to making tea for colleagues on the basis of being the most junior person at a meeting or it being a “muggins turn” arrangement. I would strongly object to be expected to do it because of my sex. Remind me what century we are in?

110797 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #61 of 1269 🔗

A century where people don’t much go for washing each other’s feet ?

109922 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #62 of 1269 🔗

Possibly, but doing it “your” way I fear may take decades. I was hoping for at least some of my remaining years to be lived in sanity.

It mustn’t seem like a war, it should be presented as good news.

109611 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #63 of 1269 🔗

“The only way I can see us getting out of this nightmare is when economic reality hits home.”

The economic reality is that we can maintain the country for as long as required with very few “key workers” operating.

The economic reality is that very few of us are doing anything that is actually necessary to the provisioning of the country. And that those that believe otherwise are believing a myth as much as those who think masks will stop the spread of the virus. Ironically, for largely the same reason – a fallacy of composition equating personal experience to the population aggregate.

The only issue is whether Boris and Rishi are in thrall to the “leading economists” as much as they were “leading virus modellers” and who will lead us down the precisely wrong path of tax rises.

109654 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Lucan Grey, 12, #64 of 1269 🔗

Whatever else this is, it is not an “economic reality”. I suppose it’s true to say that it has now been demonstrated that, for a period of a few months, we can keep supermarket shelves stocked and a number of other “essential services” running to a minimal standard, while an unusually large proportion of the workforce is payrolled by the state but you seem to have got it into your head that this means that everything else is simply wasted effort.

If nothing else, the “economic reality” is that the taxation system and people’s ability to pay for the food that those “very few “key workers”” are keeping on the shelves relies on money circulating through the economy. Money circulated through the economy through transactions, including people being paid to perform their employment. It’s also true to say that most organisations (public sector aside, perhaps) don’t pay money for services that they don’t feel add value. If all of these jobs and sectors that you seem to despise did not at least seem to contribute something, nobody would pay them to perform these services.

You seem to think that we should all be confined to a purposeless existence, merely subsisting on what is provided for us by the state and contributing nothing. Quite apart from the fact that this doesn’t sound very appealing to me, I also can’t see how it’s supposed to actually work.

109778 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to matt, 10, #65 of 1269 🔗

Universal Basic Income. Work camps in Norfolk picking Brussel Sprouts and cabbages, work camps for digging holes for posts that hold up solar panels in solar farms. The new killing fields?

British Jobs For British Slaves Workers


109812 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Two-Six, 7, #66 of 1269 🔗

Moving mounds of rocks across the Gulag parade ground to no apparent purpose, and then moving them back again.

110092 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to karenovirus, 2, #67 of 1269 🔗

That’s most of the jobs in the City of London. There is little point to moving money from one pot into another and then back again just to maintain an artificial circulation.

110173 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian S, replying to Lucan Grey, #68 of 1269 🔗

My thoughts exactly. Like the expansion of retail parks and people having jobs selling each other useless tat, I’ve been wondering quite what the point is. Activity for activity’s sake.

110216 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, #69 of 1269 🔗

Rule Britannia!

109890 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to matt, 5, #70 of 1269 🔗

It doesn’t work, matt. I’m not sure if we can engage with those who seem to believe everything just works regardless. It’s just the same old shite regurgitated from other political philosophies, all of which failed. In order to exist, you need to earn money. Or you can live off someone else’s money. If the latter, then you are a slave. If the former, you are free.

There is no other way, as history as shown, repeatedly.

110095 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Nick Rose, -1, #71 of 1269 🔗

When you earn money you live off somebody else’s money. They need to spend on you or you don’t earn. And that means they have to have the money to start with.

But increasingly we don’t need everybody to produce everything we need. We have a productivity paradox.

Presumably you want a private sector that drives productivity forward, rather than replacing JCBs with teaspoons.

110234 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #72 of 1269 🔗

The ‘we don’t need everybody to produce everything we need’ subject has been around since the 1950s. Automation. Productivity. Leisure Society. We should have achieved that goal years ago. Now, half the population is unemployed with no future prospects for work.

109923 ▶▶▶▶ steve, replying to matt, 5, #73 of 1269 🔗

When spitting image was on TV 25 yrs ago they used to take the piss out of China As being a controlled economy. At the time the Chinese “public sector” was about 20% of gdp.

In the UK now the public sector account for over 50% of the GDP, when you add up all those people and services including companies reliant on government contracts.

The less than 50% of us pay for the rest of the economy.

110110 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to steve, 1, #74 of 1269 🔗

The north of England was more dependent upon the state than most of the communist bloc before the latters fall.
Gov. jobs, the social and subsidies

110123 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to karenovirus, #75 of 1269 🔗

We’re all dependent on the state and necessarily so since Sterling is a creature of the state.

There are insufficient private sector jobs to go around and always will be. Particularly as we become ever more productive.

We need a yang to the private sector yang to make sure it works as well as it can.

110090 ▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to matt, 1, #76 of 1269 🔗

It demonstrably is wasted effort, otherwise we would have missed them and we haven’t. The monetary circulation can be maintained with people doing other things that we may consider more important.

The private sector is too productive to provide jobs for everybody. Hence why we have tax credits, loans and other increasingly daft schemes to try and prop up jobs that simply should not exist. Do we want to be genuinely productive or not?

If we give people that alternative – to do other things – then we will see what is actually valued and what is nothing more than “need to do something to be able to afford to eat”. Those latter jobs need to die – or preferably automated out of existence.

Ultimately the task of the private sector is to put us all out of work and replace us all with robots and machinery. And it is a task we want it to get on with. All this encouragement to replace capital with labour makes no sense if we want an actual productive economy. Rather than one that just moves money around doing pointless activities to pretend that there is enough proper work for all of us.

The furlough scheme has shown the way, but it needs taking out of the hands of private business so they can “right size” their workforce to the new normal. Those without work then get a living wage directly from the Bank of England paid from the Ways and Means Account, and their labour hours end up on a “volunteer list” (remember that) where it can be used by social enterprises.

When you do that, not only do you give people something worthwhile to do with their lives, you put money into local economies as it is required. And when you do that they spend it with local businesses who *hire the people off the volunteer scheme*. Once everybody has an alternative, the only businesses that stay in business are those genuinely using labour resources effectively and efficiently. Which is what we want and need.

The result is a powerful automatic stabiliser that ends unemployment, underemployment and misemployment permanently.

The model that demonstrates how it works is here: how-the-job-guarantee-fixes-mainstream-macro

110579 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #77 of 1269 🔗

Firstly, you seem to be under the impression that, on the 24th March, everyone who wasn’t a key worker, or wasn’t still required to travel to work, simply stopped working. That isn’t the case. No doubt some did while they were claiming to be working from home. I’m quite sure a great majority of those will soon be finding a P45 in the post (if not already). No doubt there was a decrease in economic activity – in fact, we can estimate it. It’s in the region of 20% according to the latest YOY GDP figures (yes, I know you don’t like GDP, we can get to that if we must).

Secondly, I can absolutely guarantee you, from extensive experience as well as from theory, that companies do not employ people whose services they do not consider to be of value. This may take the form of someone whose daily work is absolutely necessary to deliver on operational requirements (without them, we will lose existing business/revenue) or someone who is expected to increase the opportunity to grow (with them, we will gain business/revenue). I can also assure you that absolutely everyone in a commercial enterprise, from the CEO down is under constant scrutiny of one form or another to ensure that they are delivering more than they cost. If they do not, they lose their job. It isn’t easy to get rid of someone in the UK, and it isn’t cheap, but it’s always possible and it’s always less expensive than keeping someone who can’t do the job properly.

You also seem to have some fixed ideas about sectors that add no value and though I’m pretty dismissive of some of them myself (despite the fact that my wife works in marketing), you do seem to have the idea that when a product exists that does X, we should be happy with that and should have no way to differentiate between products that do X other than (presumably) price.

There are certainly many jobs still in this country (I don’t particularly care to guess a proportion, but it will be somewhere in the region of 20%) that technically could be automated and still more (probably higher than 30%) that technically could be offshored to a lower cost country. The reasons that hasn’t yet happened have to do with a balanced judgement to do with up-front investment versus long-term savings and quality of service and product.

What you’re proposing would certainly cause wage inflation and may therefore have a limited effect on encouraging the automation of more lower-cost jobs, but there is going to be a fairly small number of people who would choose earning a “living wage” for being called on to do “community service” type jobs at someone else’s whim over employment at a higher rate. And many of those people were probably already bankrolled by the state in February.

Ultimately, the model you’re pushing is grimly utopian and favours communitarianism over individual choice. It assumes that people are already mindless drones, forced to do a job they hate in exchange for eating-tokens and it assumes they would prefer to clean graffiti or plant some flowers for a subsistence wage, rather than pursue a career you deem useful.

Maybe we’ll end up there, but please count me out.

110192 ▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to matt, 3, #78 of 1269 🔗

Well said. Anyone who is a net tax payer – or indeed economically active – is a “key worker”.

109660 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Lucan Grey, 14, #79 of 1269 🔗

The economic reality is that the government is spending money it doesn’t have.It has already been bailed out by the Bank of England.which is just printing the stuff.
How long do you think this situation will last before it destroys the confidence in our fiat currency.
History shows it leads to hyperinflation and economic ruin.
On the subject of who is essential I think you will find that the economy is interdependent.Any job that generates a tax income supports your wonderful essential workers in public services.

109744 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #80 of 1269 🔗

Will the housing market be able to soak up that inflation as it did with QE?

110103 ▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #81 of 1269 🔗

The Bank of England is owned by the Treasury. They are both departments of the same government sector. The process can go on forever. It has for 30 years in Japan and 10 years for the rest of the world.

It all goes around in a circle. What the government “doesn’t have” causes the rest of us to “have savings”. Their red ink is our black ink. What do you think Gilts are? You pension funds are stuffed full of them.

Confidence is irrelevant. You have tax bills and debts to settle in Sterling which if you don’t settle them will result in the confiscation of your liberty and your assets. Therefore Sterling is always of value to you and me and everybody else in the UK.

Tax for Revenue has been an obsolete concept since the 1930s. It is the spending that causes the taxation – which if everybody spends their income will generate precisely the same amount of taxation as the spending to the penny for any positive tax rate. It’s a simple geometric progression. My spending is your income less tax and vice versa. Do the mathematics and see how it works.

What stops that process is people saving, which is what “government not having money” is. Just a balancing item on the UK’s books.

110150 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #82 of 1269 🔗

“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.

Henry Ford”

Lucan….. hahaha… now that’s introducing wild card. The banking system is the worlds biggest scam. 😉

110153 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to steve, 2, #83 of 1269 🔗

I prefer Reginald McKenna – ex Chancellor of the Exchequer and Chairman of the Midland Bank. Speaking in the 1920s.

I am afraid the ordinary citizen will not like to be told that the banks or the Bank of England can create or destroy money. We are in the habit of thinking of money as wealth, as indeed it is in the hands of the individual who owns it, wealth in the most liquid form, and we do not like to hear that some private institution can create it at pleasure.

110164 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steve, 2, #84 of 1269 🔗

When JFK announced he would abolish the Federal Bank, he was promptly assassinated.

110829 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Lucan Grey, #85 of 1269 🔗

You seem to have forgotten a couple of things in your wonderful utopian future.In the UK we cannot feed ourselves.We only grow about 60% of our food so our very survival relies on the willingness of foreigners to continue to exchange food for sterling.How long do you think this can continue ,if we carry on printing the stuff.The economic systems we create must be somewhere along the line be based in reality.
You have also in common with other utopians forgotten human nature,who will do the unpleasant jobs when you are being paid to do nothing,you end up with compulsion and tyranny.What you are advocating is pretty much the same as what the WEF want.

109731 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lucan Grey, 12, #86 of 1269 🔗

Depends what you mean by “maintain”. Man managed to live in caves, but we decided to move on from that. I do not want to live like this, thank you very much. Preferred it how it was before this shit started, and the changes to this “new normal” which is antithetical to the human social instinct are based on a LIE.

109747 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Julian, 10, #87 of 1269 🔗

Agreed. The original three week lockdown was I think a lot more bearable than this. It was kind of modern caveman living but for a specified period and reason. Whereas now there’s no end in sight.

109822 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kf99, 17, #88 of 1269 🔗

I was perfectly happy with the three week initial lockdown when nobody knew how scary Covid was going to he.

By the end of those three weeks, perhaps because being out and about, it was clearly not a medieval pestilence, the sombrero had been sat on.
If Johnson had then said back to work except the vulnerable we would now have herd immunity, lockdown a distant amusing memory with Johnson dining out on his Churchillian leadership….

If only.

110200 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to karenovirus, 2, #89 of 1269 🔗

Indeed. My position exactly.

109899 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, 4, #90 of 1269 🔗

Agree. Yes, there are faults to sort out with the old normal, but I’d far rather use that as the starting point than the unsustainable “new normal” we’re expected to tolerate right now.

110113 ▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Julian, 2, #91 of 1269 🔗

Neither do I, but trying to restore the status quo ante isn’t going to happen either. The cat is out of the bag and no amount of fibbing is going to put it back in.

We have been able to maintain the country for six months without hardly anybody working as they did previously. So how much more work do we actually need and do we need to be doing these pointless tasks like moving between home and office rather than something more rewarding.

Lots of people who hate what they did previously are asking “why”. And “because” isn’t a good enough answer.

If we don’t have one, like offering alternative work, then there are alternative politicians that will – along with a very big tax bill.

110320 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #92 of 1269 🔗

Well, lots of what other people spend their working and leisure hours, and money, on is baffling to me, but who am I and who is anyone else to tell them that they are wasting their time? Whose decision should it be to determine what tasks are pointless and which are not? Anyway, life itself is, essentially, pointless.

110322 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Lucan Grey, #93 of 1269 🔗

The problem is that Johnson and Hancock are in thrall to Bill Gates. Like many others, the modellers are also in the Gates’s pocket and their fact free models have unsurprisingly provided just what was required to give the massive coronahoax a flying start.

109622 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #94 of 1269 🔗

Probably right and, as we have seen, anyone can turn up and muddy the waters.

109628 ▶▶ R G, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #95 of 1269 🔗

I agree, either the fear subsides or the money runs out.

110078 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to R G, 2, #96 of 1269 🔗

Then why don’t HMG flatten Wankock?
Evidently it’s too early to let the fear subside.

110120 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to R G, #97 of 1269 🔗

How can the money run out when you own the Bank of England and everything necessarily moves around within that Bank.

HM Treasury pays people by moving money from the Consolidated Fund to the Reserve Accounts of the commercial banks at the Bank of England. Tax goes in the opposite direction.

Since it never leaves the Bank of England, they can simply lend the reserve balances back to the Consolidated Fund via the Ways and Means Account.

It all goes around in a circle using a touch of banking magic. Toto has pulled the curtain back. The Wizard of Oz routine no longer fools anybody. https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/news/2020/april/hmt-and-boe-announce-temporary-extension-to-ways-and-means-facility

110238 ▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Lucan Grey, #98 of 1269 🔗

Lucan, I get this in a theoretical way and see the point you are making, (Modern Monetary Theory) but why did the UK have to go to the IMF in the late ’70s if we could have solved the situation with book-keeping sleight of hand?

110512 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #99 of 1269 🔗

Lucan, that’s not how it works. The Bank of England cannot continue indefinitely to creat money to buy up government bonds to keep the system running. To some extent, it’s a miracle that it hasn’t yet caused a complete meltdown, but we’re on a knife edge.

109876 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #100 of 1269 🔗

Agree with you regarding the only way out. Don’t know if you remember the Poll Tax riots in Trafalgar Square in 1990. If so, do you remember the police car that was overturned during? The BBC interviewed the driver, one PC David Nield. I went to school with him and he now resides in New Zealand. Wondering how much he’s enjoying it over there at the moment…

110062 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #101 of 1269 🔗

The Iraq march might not have stopped the war but it drew attention to what was really going on. Hopefully it stimulated some thought in people who had been swallowing the WMD rubbish from the MSM. The legality of that war has been openly questioned ever since.

110086 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #102 of 1269 🔗

Yes but! This nightmare has already caused so much damage to so many things and so many people (even if they don’t yet realise) that it will not end, albeit the depth of the damage may be eventually limited when reality hits and everyone finally realises what has been done.

109536 BobT, replying to BobT, 13, #103 of 1269 🔗

I am thinking about splashing out on one of your new bejewelled face masks.
Before I do so can you please forward me a copy of the double blind study and clinical trial which can assure me that the mask will intercept and destroy all incoming and outgoing virus particles hence keeping me and others safe.
It would pain me to think that I had paid 250,000 quid for just a ..ahem… fashion statement.

109568 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BobT, 9, #104 of 1269 🔗

250k is a bit OTT, try Burberry, their range starts at £90.00, Bargain. FACT*

* I just wanted to know what it felt like using that word in that way, sorry.

109592 ▶▶ annie, replying to BobT, 28, #105 of 1269 🔗

Dear Customer

Congratulations on purchasing our jewelled mask. Instead of looking like a noseless, faceless, brain-dead zombie, you will now look like a noseless, faceless, brain-dead zombie who has just spent an awful lot of money.

109605 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to annie, 6, #106 of 1269 🔗

Somebody worth mugging perhaps?

109648 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 10, #107 of 1269 🔗

He’s already been mugged.

109963 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #108 of 1269 🔗

Or just punching?

110083 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 2, #109 of 1269 🔗

We suggest you wear it while you help out at your local food bank.

109841 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to BobT, 5, #110 of 1269 🔗

I do appreciate how funny people are on this site. This series of posts has made me laugh!

110408 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to BobT, #111 of 1269 🔗

And how will a daily wash at 40C in the washing machine or a quick boil on the stove to sterilise the mask do to it? Will my insurance pay for any damage?

109539 Paul Mendelsohn, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, 36, #112 of 1269 🔗

What a joke. On a different tack, the latest helpful “information” from “The Times”;

“People who refuse to follow rules on wearing facemasks are more likely to have malevolent sociopathic traits, a study suggests.”

Thanks for rehashing that The Times.. Now we know how degenerate we really are,

109569 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, 27, #113 of 1269 🔗

I’m happy to be labelled with “asocial behaviour” since I make no attempt to associate with the majority mask compliant muppets.

109573 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 25, #114 of 1269 🔗

Likewise. If to be benevolent is to be a zombie, I’ll be as malevolent as I can.
Wales is a very malevolent place. Only about one person in fifty here ever wears a mask.

109598 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, 5, #115 of 1269 🔗

bet they’d all start wearing them if Tom Jones said they should.

109966 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Biker, 1, #116 of 1269 🔗

Nah. Alun Wyn Jones, now, probably yes.

110009 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to JohnB, -2, #117 of 1269 🔗

The most over rated lock of all time.

110743 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jaguarpig, #118 of 1269 🔗

Hmm. A more bizarre opinion than anything at Trafalgar Square.

110245 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to annie, #119 of 1269 🔗

That looks like the place to move to to escape this madhouse.

109594 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, 16, #120 of 1269 🔗

That vindicates my decision to cancel my subscription to the Times. It’s become a propaganda rag nothing else.

109595 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #121 of 1269 🔗

Same with the Telegraph.

109615 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #122 of 1269 🔗

Haven’t bought s copy of the Telegraph since March.

110088 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 5, #123 of 1269 🔗

My £1 per month intro to the DT expires today.

Most of the articles pander to a readership that makes my teeth curl. Money’s very tight so I’m not convinced I want to spare them £8+ per month. I’d rather support sites like the UK Column. Also to bung a thankyou to Toby for providing this space for us.

Can’t believe I might have to resort to the Mail!

110254 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cheezilla, #124 of 1269 🔗

Not the Mail!! It’s full of celebrities and Markel’s opinions! 🙄

109646 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #125 of 1269 🔗

All of them are guilty of it. I’ve kept my Spectator subscription – probably the last refuge of the sane in the MSM.

110169 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #126 of 1269 🔗

I’m on a £1 per month trial for the Spectator too. Most of the articles make my teeth positively frizzy.

Prior to the 2019 election, I never followed the MSM. Life was sweeter – with a lot more spare time.

110310 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #127 of 1269 🔗

I don’t really follow MSM but this site is the main refuge of the sane for me. Especially as I have to put up with a lot of insanity.

110251 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #128 of 1269 🔗

Our subscription to the Telegraph is in the red zone, any more pro masks and rising Covid spikes and they’re out! I’d prefer to support websites that support freedom of speech and liberty!

110416 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #129 of 1269 🔗

Yesterday a few independent journalists asked people in Germany to cancel subscriptions and dump old issues at their papers doors in protest to their pro gov reporting.

110624 ▶▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to Silke David, #130 of 1269 🔗


110662 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Silke David, 1, #131 of 1269 🔗

Perhaps we should do something like that.

109601 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, 7, #132 of 1269 🔗

Call me any name you like
I will never deny it
Farewell Angelina
The sky is erupting
I must go where it’s quiet

109634 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, 13, #133 of 1269 🔗

To be fair I only started being a malevolent sociopath during lockdown

109652 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, 4, #134 of 1269 🔗

If that sociopathic narrative takes hold, dystopia has one and we are all incarcerated.

109673 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Country Mumkin, 20, #135 of 1269 🔗

Opposition to totalitarian regimes always becomes defined as a mental defect.

109741 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 9, #136 of 1269 🔗

Yes, the Soviets did that, the Chinese do it, religious fundamentalists did/do it

109846 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 5, #137 of 1269 🔗

Yes. That’s the paradox of the ‘severe distress’ ‘reasonable excuse’ in the law. My political dissent is disabled/allowed for by a kind of emotional pathologisation.

110171 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Country Mumkin, -1, #138 of 1269 🔗

Free holiday courtesy of the Ministry of Love.

110746 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Country Mumkin, #139 of 1269 🔗

The sky could fall on our heads too don’t forget …

109739 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, 4, #140 of 1269 🔗

Maybe it’ll be their “deplorables” moment. Whoever wrote that article is degenerate.

109910 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, 4, #141 of 1269 🔗

I’m proud to be a psychopath. Oh wait, pride is an emotion and psychopaths don’t have those…

110127 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, #142 of 1269 🔗

There was a YouTube video about the study last week. And as you can imagine if you actually look into the study it is very flawed and basically propaganda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbZimk0nhjo&t=5s

110167 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, 3, #143 of 1269 🔗

That would be great on a T-shirt:
Beware: Malevolent sociopath.

110256 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cheezilla, #144 of 1269 🔗

I’d buy one!

109541 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 49, #145 of 1269 🔗

Report at Mail Online that overuse of hand sanitisers is creating opportunities for development of superbugs which will be resistant to such cleansing measures – that could prove deadly in hospitals.

109570 ▶▶ annie, replying to OKUK, 24, #147 of 1269 🔗

It was always screamingly obvious.

109931 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to annie, 10, #148 of 1269 🔗

Yes, the dangers of mindlessly slapping on sanitiser gel have been known for years. Better to use mild soap and water and only when you really need to.

110131 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to annie, 2, #149 of 1269 🔗

And they still promote using it constantly every time we go into a shop or venue. It’s like they publish conflicting information to confuse us.

110632 ▶▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to Darryl, 1, #150 of 1269 🔗

Spot on.

109596 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to OKUK, 11, #151 of 1269 🔗

That’s not surprising isn’t it? Its not just hospitals but also all public spaces.

110257 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to OKUK, #152 of 1269 🔗

Terrific, it gets even better! 😷 😷

110426 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to OKUK, 3, #153 of 1269 🔗

BBC some years ago had their afternoon play, or was it a serial, when antibiotics stopped working. It was a harrowing listen.
Saw a discussion yday from Germany from a doctor who said that less people seem to be dying of post operational infection as less operations. He asked , Do we operate too easily? Should we try other options?

109550 Allen, replying to Allen, 22, #154 of 1269 🔗

There’s no confirmation that anyone’s died from a Covid19 even once, because there is NO valid test for a Covid19 virus. The inaccurate PCR test which is being used only checks for genetic material (i.e. are you human) but it does NOT test for a Covid19 virus.

Also Covid19 virus has never been proven to exist.

Countries classify deaths as Covid-caused by matching datasets of positive PCR tests with datasets of deaths. We now know PCR tests vastly overstate the reality of active Covid infections. Think about that.

Which means using PCR test datasets to classify deaths as Covid overstates “deaths from Covid.”

They still have not identified in a laboratory the virus they are calling ‘”Covid 19’.” This means that they cannot test for “Covid 19” (and it also means that anyone who tells you that they know someone who’s had “Covid 19” is talking total BS). What they test for is ‘coronavirus’, which is an umbrella term for various colds and flu.

As more ct-qPCR tests were done in mid March the CDC stopped verification of results coming from private labs; we knew in March PCR false positive rate was reported at around 50% in China , in June 80%, in August 90% officially false positives worldwide due to inflated CT values alone and FDA urged doctors in May not to rely on the test alone to make diagnosis of a COVID case.

On top of that there is complete lack of specificity which give positive results for a variety of viruses and bacteria commonly existing in tissues of countless millions of patients of other common respiratory diseases worldwide. Then there is the PCR’s complete inability to detect live virus and distinguish it from dead or blocked virus existing in tissue for months often after infection is gone regardless if CT indicates bigger or smaller load and hence provides no way to predict level and capability of spreading infection.

And then there is so far no empirically verified common infection model for SC2 and specific mechanisms of infection. And then there is complete lack of established causality between SC2 infection, it’s threshold, load, location, considering immune response via variety of resistance mechanisms and vaguely catch- all symptoms now defined as COVID.

It is all diagnostic crap as the inventor of PCR test warned and the NYT here makes only the narrow point of promoting the oxymoron of “correct” much less sensitive testing.

The vaccines will not make people PCR test negative and hence as soon as supposed vaccines are developed, the PCR as well as serological tests that can reveal failure of PCR tests and vaccines themselves will be rigged or forgotten.

The world is ruled by complete, total and utter psychopaths. I understand why many people have a hard job getting their head around this.

109607 ▶▶ Mark B, replying to Allen, 9, #155 of 1269 🔗

How come I can find the complete genome sequence of an isolated SARS-CoV-2 virus then?

109612 ▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Mark B, 9, #156 of 1269 🔗

Don’t feed the troll. This is either someone from Brigade 77 spreading conspiracy nutcase stuff to discredit sensible covid-skeptics, or someone who doesn’t accept science is a probabilistic endeavour rarely (never) giving 100% certainty, and using the tiny chinks of uncertainty to propagandise against the obvious.

109670 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Commander Jameson, 15, #157 of 1269 🔗

I didn’t read his post like that at all, but I’m happy to look at future posts and see if I’m missing something.

I think we have to be careful of this “conspiracy” thing. It’s no different from us being called sociopaths for not wearing a mask and is calling others psychopaths.

If we start bringing these loaded words into our discussions we will be at war with each other.

There is nuance in our understanding and connection to all of this and there will be difference too. I think we have to be mindful of it.

109677 ▶▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to Commander Jameson, 7, #158 of 1269 🔗

What about his message is conspiracy? Did I miss something?

109686 ▶▶▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Cruella, 5, #159 of 1269 🔗

Just for starters “Covid19 virus has never been proven to exist.”

That statement is incorrect. Most conspiracists then go on to talk about Koch’s postulates, an outdated set of criteria for identifying disease-causing organisms, and which can’t for ethical reasons be applied to humans (it would be required to cause an experimental infection using the agent isolated from a previously infected person, which we cannot generally do under current medical ethics).

109941 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve, replying to Commander Jameson, 8, #160 of 1269 🔗

Someone asked the Canadian government under a FOI ….

“ No record of “COVID-19 virus” (SARS-COV-2) isolation by anyone, anywhere on the planet. (I FOI’d them b/c Health Canada said they “might” have such a record lol.)”


I replied above with a video interview of a German doctor who said the PCR test are NOT using any actual isolated “CV19”RNA sample. The PCR test simply uses in of the many many many other existing CV RNA samples.

The whole testing system is utterly flawed

The ONLy conspiracy is where the test data is being used to extend the pandemic “deliberately” or because the government are utter morons

110617 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to steve, 1, #161 of 1269 🔗

I am currently listening to an April 2, 2020 Richie Allen interview with former BBC journalist, Tony Gosling. They are talking about the same stuff that you are on this site today. That was 5 months ago! Fudging the statistics, including Covid on death certificates, etc.

110430 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Commander Jameson, 2, #162 of 1269 🔗

Thank you for taking the time to debunk these myths.

I think Koch is OK with demonstrating the pathogen on mice not people. But the sticking point is “purification”. Koch didn’t know about viruses which of course cannot replicate by themselves. They need a cell to do that for them. So when SARS2 is cultured in Vero E6 cells that’s considered a fail. This is obviously ridiculous and while Koch was no doubt a great scientist I don’t think we have to treat him like Moses or Mohammad or someone.

110749 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Commander Jameson, -1, #163 of 1269 🔗

You’ll be aware a German court has stated the measles virus has never been proven to exist.

109936 ▶▶▶▶ steve, replying to Commander Jameson, 5, #164 of 1269 🔗

Sorry….but Allen is 100% correct.
Here is a discussion where some German political enquiry are questioning a doctor about the validity of PCR tests. She said it’s like reading tea leaves in a cup.

The starts is a bit deep but one of the politicians asks the doctor to start again in plain English as they are non medical people.


in Europe. there is no standard for the PCR test as to what determines an actual “+ve” test

the test simply takes a sample from you and multiplies it, x2…x3….x25 etc. They compare it with a similar “cv” sample. There are thousands of different CV samples.

when you get to about x24 doublings a colour change in the sample means it’s “more likely” that you are actually testing positive for “a corona virus” any type. If you had a Common cold 3 months ago then you can test +ve now.

However if you keep doubling past x40 iterations and still no colour change then they say the test is “most Likely” negative.

however keep doubling to about X60 Iterations and everybody tests positive.

there is no standard used or reported across labs so no one haS any idea if the lab is saying it’s a positive test at x20 or x 30 or where the cut off for a negative test is.

this info has been available since the inventor of the test actually invented it.

for the government to still talking as if this is anything but a average winter cold is pure back peddling politics now.

109991 ▶▶▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to steve, 3, #165 of 1269 🔗

It is really disheartening to have to fight fake news on two fronts – the MSM fake news that we are all doomed, and the nonsensical anti-covid fake news, which ranges from utterly implausible 5G through overemphasising justified criticisms, as here, with PCR.

There is no test that can ever give you 100% certainty that the result the test produces corresponds to reality. With PCR, the presence of a true positive result, may also correspond to various possible realities – you are currently infected, you are currently infected and are yourself infectious, you were very recently infected, or even (less likely but possibly) are infected with a different virus with RNA which is sufficiently similar to the primer sequences to produce a PCR product. If the primers have been designed carefully enough, the latter should not (seldom) be true, at least for known sequences.

Of course, as with any test if you don’t look so hard (low cycle number) you will find fewer positives. That increases your confidence that the positives you find are true positives, but you can be less sure about the negative results being true negatives. If you look harder (high cycle number), the converse is true. You can be more sure that the negative results really are negative, but you will pick up more false positives. There isn’t really any other kind of “standardisation” you can do. Every lab has probably developed its own primers, every machine will need different annealing temperatures set just because things vary from one manufacturer to another. Cycle numbers will be optimized to ensure both positive and negative controls give correct results. But PCR is very sensitive to minute, and uncontrollable changes in the physical setup, so criticising the lack of standardisation is silly. Even for routine blood tests, every individual lab has to run their own standards, because things like local air temperature, sunlight hitting samples, even the diet of the local population coming in for tests, all conspire to shift expected norms away from the textbook ideals.

These are all known issues, and they do not receive sufficient attention from the MSM. They are too technical, dry and boring, and the caveats and uncertainty that less than 100% specificity and sensitivity inevitably introduce, in ANY medical test, detract from the overblown sensationalist reporting. They are not, however, in any way a justification for throwing overboard the generally accurate results of PCR testing for the presence of viral RNA, or doubting the existence of the pathogen!

110068 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve, replying to Commander Jameson, #166 of 1269 🔗

Thanks for confirming (if in a long winded way) the test are utterly useless.

They are especially useless when the results of which are being used for dystopian levels of smashing of freedoms & laws using data that may as well have been generated flipping a coin.

110453 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Commander Jameson, 1, #167 of 1269 🔗

The myth that you might get false positives from other viruses originates from the very early Drosten PCR tests which used a primer from SARS1. At the time SARS2 had not been sequenced so I think they were guessing at bits of SARS1 until they found one that worked on SARS2 samples.

But since SARS1 is rare if not extinct and like SARS2 only worse I don’t think this is a big deal for all practical purposes.

Soon after SARS2 was sequenced other primers were added that are unique to SARS2.

So what if you test positive for the E gene (the one that’s shared with SARS1) but not any of the other? The WHO said because it was a pandemic treat that as a positive. This seems reasonable to me but of course they were hysterically denounced for it and by then the myth has got halfway round the world before the truth has got its boots on.

109947 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Commander Jameson, 3, #168 of 1269 🔗

You should be careful not to trip over your jaw, which seems weighed down with lashings of cognitive dissonance. Everything Allen has stated is factual and is easily verifiable, Why not try doing some proper research and not shooting from the hip?

The real trolls are those, that want to limit these sceptic discussions to minor things like masks. The real agenda of this long planned Covid-19 event is about complete control, mandatory vaccines and global depopulation.

110007 ▶▶▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Rowan, 2, #169 of 1269 🔗

Almost everything Allen has said is incorrect. I already gave you one example, from the second sentence. Here is the third sentence:

“Countries classify deaths as Covid-caused by matching datasets of positive PCR tests with datasets of deaths. ”

This is also not true. Deaths are classified as Covid-related (with covid, caused by covid, whatever) by the physician certifying the death. The classification can be wrong (as we well know, unless you got crushed by a 12-ton weight it is difficult to definitively identify a cause of death), the diagnosis may be clinical (symptoms of the disease), or there may be a positive test result.

PHE was doing something crazy with anyone who had ever tested positive being recorded as death from the disease, that’s for sure. And that discredited the agency to the extent it’s going to be abolished.

The fact is that recording deaths and classifying their cause is done in different ways in different places, making comparisons difficult.

It is a genuine problem that nonsense, about anything, not specifically Covid, can be spewed out much faster than it can be cleaned up. The spewing of implausible and inaccurate nonsense is an established technique for (1) overloading someoneand making them get bogged down (as I have done) in lengthy and boring detail, and (2) infiltrating those you wish to shut down and discredit them by association.

I will concede I completely and totally agree with Allen on this point:

“The world is ruled by complete, total and utter psychopaths. I understand why many people have a hard job getting their head around this.”

110069 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve, replying to Commander Jameson, #170 of 1269 🔗

Are you nuts!

You specifically said this is not true

“ Countries classify deaths as Covid-caused by matching datasets of positive PCR tests with datasets of deaths. ”

This is EXACTLY what PHE we’re doing with the stats in the UK

110287 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve, replying to steve, 4, #171 of 1269 🔗

Ah shucks, down votes for pointing out truth

The PHE death count STILL Includes anyone who dies as a CV statistic who “tested” positive within the previous 28 days and that includes anyone who died from brain tumours, heart attacks car crashes.

110130 ▶▶▶▶ Allen, replying to Commander Jameson, 4, #172 of 1269 🔗

When you can’t argue your case head right to the “conspiracy theory” trope. I don’t live in the UK does that mean Brigade 77 has gone global? Wouldn’t that also be a conspiracy theory?

Well if this is all too much for your brain to process just look at the PCR box where it says not to be used for diagnostics. Also note that the PCR is not legally licensed for this purpose hence the note.

But here in the US they gave EAU so dozens of companies jumped on board to make a buck with the FDA’s quick approval not even doing a quality control check of these sham kits.

The test shows human DNA. One of the pieces of genetic material tested for by the 80% false positive, faulty, untested, unapproved, RT-PCR test is our own PRIMARY assembly for our chromosomes . What this means is they are not finding a virus at all, they are just using a piece of our OWN DNA and telling us it is a virus.

You can watch the video below for a simple explanation but you seem to be more of a reactionary than one who can pause and analyze.


Here is another conspiracy fact for you:

AVG Age of “Death by Covid”:

Austria 80+ years Source EMS;
Canada 86 years Source HCSC;
England 80+ years Source NHS;
France 84 years Source SPF;
Germany 82 years Source RKI;
Italy 81 years Source ISS;
Spain 82 years Source MDS;
Switzerland 84 years Source BAG;
United States 80 years Source CDC;
Sweden 86 years Source FOHM

A “global pandemic” is certainly not defined by age of deaths EXCEEDING the normal lifespan with no young healthy people are affected.

110175 ▶▶▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Allen, 2, #173 of 1269 🔗

“One of the pieces of genetic material tested for by the 80% false positive, faulty, untested, unapproved, RT-PCR test is our own PRIMARY assembly for our chromosomes .”

Correct. But it’s one primer pointing in one direction. In the absence of a complementary downstream sequence for the alternate primer, pointing in the opposite direction, that is close enough to result in an amplifiable product, this will have no influence on the result. Some primer and nucleotide will be consumed making some single strand copies of the human sequence, but that is all.

You see how misinformation can be very subtle, feeding off people’s understandable lack of knowledge about the technicalities. Indeed the most effective fake news is at least half true, as here.

110464 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Allen, 2, #174 of 1269 🔗

Cdr Jameson is right. Please check the facts for yourself. If you just believe some guy on vineo because you want to how’s that different to watching the BBC?

110201 ▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Commander Jameson, 1, #175 of 1269 🔗

They don’t need to bother. There’s enough of conspiracy nutcases here anyway!

109625 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Mark B, 1, #176 of 1269 🔗

You can.

They can’t because “cognitive dissonance”.

The can’t see the electron scanning microscope pictures either.

109939 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Mark B, #177 of 1269 🔗

It’s nothing more than a guess. Possibly educated, but probably not.

109650 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Allen, 13, #178 of 1269 🔗

Sorry but you are the pychopath. You are also a conspiracy theorist. I bet you also believe Bill Gates is making money out of vaccines and and that he is the 2nd and 4th biggest funder of the WHO. Oh, and the ‘Great Reset’ is spelled out on the World Economic Forum website and that Masks4All was started by someone from WEF.

Oh and I bet you think Fauci was carrying out Gain of Function work on bat viruses in that lab in Wuhan.

Don’t you realise you are discrediting our ‘movement’, comrade?

Nutjob! MW

109661 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 6, #179 of 1269 🔗

MW I understand what he means about the PCR specificity. That’s not conspiracy.

Some of what you’re saying is speculative of course; 5G, Bill Gates etc. Although it is natural for people to want to work out a cause and reason for the madness we face.

If we start ganging up on each other in this forum, we’re not going to support each other. It will not be a welcome environment.

Tensions are high as the protests this weekend did have “speculative” (using that word instead of conspiracy) supporters.

We can be kind and supportive about our feelings of what is “on topic” because that of course will be subjective.


109680 ▶▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #180 of 1269 🔗

No medical test gives 100% correct results with zero false positives and zero false negatives. I’ve used the example in earlier threads of pregnancy tests. The common drug-store tests also give both false positive and false negative results (leading to occasional “woman gives birth” stories in the tabloids), but we don’t see anyone trying to discredit them on that basis.

It would be very useful to know the false positive rate for any test. For a PCR test it is likely to vary considerably between labs, so making comparisons is challenging. I repeat, this is the case for any kind of medical test done, including routine blood tests. You can get very different results from one lab to another. This is not a problem when comparisons are made mostly for individual patients over time. Here we are trying to compare from one place to another at the same time, and population/sample results need to be considered with a few caveats. But those caveats are built in to any testing that you can possibly do, and are not a reason to not bother with the testing, or reject the results entirely.

The fact that this (as any other test) is imperfect is not a good reason to criticise the results. There is good reason to criticise the lack of contextualisation of the results, and failure to adequately consider the false positive rate (that is complicated because we don’t know what it is and it will vary a lot from one place to another). In particular PCR (of which I have many years of personal experience), let alone the more complicated RT-PCR, is subject to many uncontrollable variables, and sometimes just “doesn’t work” for reasons unknown. We used to joke that the wind direction, moon phase, lack of blessing of various gods, etc was to blame.

110758 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Commander Jameson, #181 of 1269 🔗

Did you ever see that research from the 1920s (Indian dude, I think) who correlated silver ion reactions with the phases of the moon ?

109792 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #182 of 1269 🔗

agreed, let’s be kind and not label each other. we all want the same thing don’t we?

109672 ▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 6, #183 of 1269 🔗

No he isn’t, he’s just explaining the actual facts about PCR testing. Or do you actually think over 40000 people have died of C19? I also know that these tests were never designed to be used to diagnose or screen a population due to their inaccuracy. You’re reaction is very strange.

109678 ▶▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Cruella, 3, #184 of 1269 🔗

Yes i agree. I think many don’t understand the PCR specificity. Maybe we need some more links to help people?

109679 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cruella, 5, #186 of 1269 🔗

Sometimes sarcasm doesn’t come over well without the scathing voice

109695 ▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #187 of 1269 🔗

Actually, I was using irony not sarcasm. I was having a laugh – please lighten up, everybody! Everything I said was arguable and actually, nowhere did I mention 5G because I don’t know anything about it! MW

110188 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 2, #188 of 1269 🔗

MW, knowing your usual style, I read your post several times, believing that irony was intended. However, it came over as aggressive rather than amusing I’m afraid.

As has been pointed out, we must be very careful to be supportive of each other here. The BTL is long enough without being filled with extended bitter arguments that have the same effect as trolling.

I’ve noticed people seem to be biting more nowadays. Times are crazy and we must work to remind each other that we are the sane ones.

110313 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #189 of 1269 🔗

Cheezilla, I think people have lost it today. My comment to Allen was supposed to be supportive because he talked about psychopaths. I used irony and satire but it was generalised. I do not accept that it was aggressive – if so, to whom? You say you read it several times but your comment, which I think is unfair to me, makes me feel very unwelcome and uncomfortable.

I thought that I was among friends and that people had a sense of humour but I am very disappointed to find that I was sadly wrong. I am not going to invest any more of my emotional health and well-being in defending myself from attacks like this, over nothing! MW

109702 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Cruella, 6, #190 of 1269 🔗

If anyone has read any other of my posts my reaction (if taken seriously) would mean I had actually gone insane. Obviously, I should have put a smiley face at the end. What has happened to LS’s irony detectors, today? MW

109717 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 5, #191 of 1269 🔗

I think that the problem is that last time Toby dismissed conspiracy theories (in a London Calling podcast I think, rather than above the line here) LS became very scratchy and grumpy for about 24 hours with lots of people with noses out of joint. I suspect that there’s a certain amount of preemptive defensiveness around today, in anticipation of the same thing happening again.

I wouldn’t worry about it too much, Miriam. Things will settle down again and your irony was clear to me.

109748 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to matt, 13, #192 of 1269 🔗

Not worried at all, thanks, Matt. I remember the London Calling podcast and Toby Young saying he ‘bats CTs’ away (i.e. anyone who mentions what he called something like ‘the Bill Gates crap’ on this site.) I think I used a bit of irony then and it probably also went down like a lead parachute. Will I never learn? 🙂

It beats me that some people think that even looking at the facts, say, about Gates’ massive influence and just who he is funding should be a conspiracy theory. The race for what should be an unnecessary vaccine is worrying to many and I think people are right to question it. I cannot comment on the truth of the SC2 virus because I am not a scientist.

The politics behind all this are, of course, a matter for speculation but there are facts to be found. Some of these global organisations are spelling things out on their websites and I think, for some, this is an uncomfortable truth. It’s far more comfortable to believe in Government panic and incompetence and I understand that. I just don’t share those views. MW

109771 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ peter, replying to matt, -4, #193 of 1269 🔗

Toby is compromised, have you seen the photos of him partying with Ghislaine Maxwell? 🤔

110214 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to peter, 3, #194 of 1269 🔗

I cannot believe someone on here would make such a gross and unfair allegation. Toby met the woman once when he lived in Manhatten. Try reading his Spectator article on the abuse he receives because of a chance encounter.

110761 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #195 of 1269 🔗

Wasn’t Peter having a giggle … ?

109791 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Allen, 7, #196 of 1269 🔗

Your right. The Corona Project is all based on LIES. A total SCAM, ALMOST all of it. Yes we can get specific on a few points but most of what you say is right. Good Job.

109810 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Two-Six, 5, #197 of 1269 🔗

Believe it or not I agree with you (and Allen)! Please feel free to call me a nut-job any time you like! 🙂 p.s. I’m a bit miffed actually that obviously nobody reads my regular ‘unironic’ posts and therefore couldn’t spot the irony in my reply to Allen. Ho-hum. . . . . MW

110623 ▶▶▶▶ Alison9, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #198 of 1269 🔗

I spotted the irony and I don’t think I would be the only one but things are a bit tense atm – six months of being gaslighted by our governments can do that.

109823 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Allen, 1, #199 of 1269 🔗

You have posted all this before and the reality has been explained to you before, notably by guy153. If you missed it, use Control and Find, and type guy153 into the find box. The mark of a sceptic is a questioning mind, one curious and open to change. You don’t qualify.

109979 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bruno, #200 of 1269 🔗

Reality had been explained by others … ? Really ??

No need to read anymore. You should work for the beeb, Sylvie.

109996 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to JohnB, #201 of 1269 🔗

Or consider applying for the 77th? Oh…… MW

109551 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 2, #202 of 1269 🔗

How is Victoria and the rest of Australia seen by non sceptics where you are?

109583 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Caramel, 12, #203 of 1269 🔗

Here in the UK we think the lockdown here is appalling but we at least can console ourselves by being glad we are not living in NZ or Victoria

109659 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Caramel, 10, #204 of 1269 🔗

I try not to engage with non sceptics. The nonsense they spout makes my ears bleed.

I am going to bet that the complete lockdownophiles think what is happening in Victoria is right, and that police brutality is the correct approach to non compliance.

Yet as the comments above reference, it is US with our refusal to wear masks, who are the psychopaths. Give me strength.

109553 Caramel, 5, #205 of 1269 🔗

The hotel quarantine did have poor management but the quarantines themselves were pointless for both international and interstate travellers in Aus.

109561 Hugh, 8, #206 of 1269 🔗

I wasn’t going to mention this but I saw Toby’s piece about face coverings increasing the risk of transmission. Now I’ve been noting the daily reported deaths from covid-19 as claimed by PHE (or whoever it is now) and was struck that last week was the first time since at least May that the number of reported UK deaths increased in a Sunday to Saturday week – a month on from July 24th. Or perhaps it would have been even worse without face nappies (assuming the figures claimed are correct of course.)

109566 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #207 of 1269 🔗

Covid vaccine rush could make pandemic worse, say scientists


(The rest of the paper is …. RISE IN CASES .let’s not mention the fall in deaths )

109572 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 10, #208 of 1269 🔗

Ain’t that jolly.The vaccine gets rushed out and forced on people, but just in case it doesn’t work, all the other enslavement measures are maintained as well.

109571 Scotty87, replying to Scotty87, 52, #209 of 1269 🔗

I couldn’t care less what the mendacious MSM say about the protests on Saturday, Icke or no Icke they would have crucified those attending anyway, labelling them as “granny killers” and using the opportunity to ramp up second wave propaganda. Let’s not forget that these same media outlets were largely silent when gangs of BLM supporting thugs were desecrating war memorials and smashing police officers’ faces in.

But back to the protests. I believe they CAN make a positive difference, and certainly are a powerful recruitment weapon for like-minded people to join the cause. The more of us willing to engage in mass civil disobedience will certainly weaken the hand of the Government. However, we need to lose the outlandish theories and push to become a movement focused on restoring freedoms.

Joe Public couldn’t care less about 5G, Qanon or fluoride in tap water making us stupid. They’ll head for the hills once they hear that-we cannot afford to be unappealing to the potential hundreds of thousands of moderates out there. People are worried about lockdowns, masks, their childrens’ futures – the message needs to be relative and true to what is being felt NOW, by ordinary people.

My hope is that the organisers of these protests stop pandering to their fans, and start speaking to the nation!

109579 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Scotty87, 20, #210 of 1269 🔗

“However, we need to lose the outlandish theories and push to become a movement focused on restoring freedoms. ”

This cannot be said too often.

110089 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Strange Days, -4, #211 of 1269 🔗

Bollocks. We can’t work with the communists to blow up that bridge the nazis are using, because they thing differently ?

109597 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Scotty87, -5, #212 of 1269 🔗

Who smashed a police officer’s face in?

109657 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #213 of 1269 🔗

The Officer whose horse bolted so she appeared to hit her head on an overhead traffic sign ?

109732 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to karenovirus, 1, #214 of 1269 🔗

So she smashed her own face in? Really sad and brutal accident but the original wording of the comment made it sound as if a protestor had done that to her. Which is clearly a lie.

109806 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tee Ell, 10, #215 of 1269 🔗

The Agent Provacateurs “Protestors” threw a bike at the police horse she was sitting on.

110040 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #216 of 1269 🔗

Racist anti whites

109624 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Scotty87, 7, #217 of 1269 🔗

Comments on the Mail story make it clear that they are very aware of the differences in the way Piers and blm were Policed

109683 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to karenovirus, 9, #218 of 1269 🔗

Exactly, how come Piers was arrested and fined, but not the BLM organisers.

109709 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to zacaway, 3, #219 of 1269 🔗

The law only came into place on Friday 28th August 2020 which is why no BLM organisers have been prosecuted.

109808 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JohnB, 5, #220 of 1269 🔗

A £10000 fine for “organising” an illegal gathering….Nice. Makes the Criminal Justice Bill look like a toddlers doodle.

110191 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to JohnB, 2, #221 of 1269 🔗

BLM march was on 30th August with consent from the authorities.

110087 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Scotty87, #222 of 1269 🔗

Go on then, set a date, advertise (at personal risk of a 10K fine), sort out a sound system, a few stewards, and attract speakers.

i.e. put up or shut up. These dudes achieved something on Saturday, I await your effort.

110505 ▶▶▶ Scotty87, replying to JohnB, 1, #223 of 1269 🔗

Calm down precious. I supported the protests – myself and many others simply didn’t agree with the more bizarre agendas that were advertised. Let’s do it your way – keep harping on about nanochips in vaccines and see how many moderates you attract. I’ll wait.

110677 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Scotty87, #224 of 1269 🔗

Mwah. That’s me blowing you a big kiss sweetie.

I guarantee you not one person there agreed with all the agendas. Of which, some were indeed of a significantly bizarre nature. Maybe you think thousands of individual (but pure) demos would have been more effective ?

‘My way’, since you seem unable to read and/or comprehend, is to ally with whoever’s there and up for it. Being prissy about who I’m being incarcerated or shot next to never seemed sensible.

Nor is trying to attract moderates my no.1 goal. But good piece of straw anyhow.

109574 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 21, #225 of 1269 🔗

As schools reopen tomorrow I expect the day will start with a lengthy Covid Safety Induction Session during which the pupils will have it explained to them at great length what new precautions have been put in place for their safety.

“Now boys and girls, does anybody have any questions? ”

Johnny puts his hand up

“So same old shit as everywhere else for last six months miss ?”

109576 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 11, #226 of 1269 🔗

You think they’ll allow questions?

109582 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to annie, 15, #227 of 1269 🔗

Schools have been training children not to ask questions and not to be inquisitive for the last 20 years. Why do you think we have so many snowflakes

109665 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, 4, #228 of 1269 🔗

As a child of the sixties and seventies I thought schools to be bossy and authoritarian but they always encouraged asking questions, how times change

109586 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, 11, #229 of 1269 🔗

Don’t question, Obey, that’s the modern way
Keep quiet listen then do what we say
Everyone will be safe again
and we can all come out to play

109590 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to annie, 5, #230 of 1269 🔗

‘And you never ask questions
When God’s on your side’ Dylan

109577 Biker, replying to Biker, 16, #231 of 1269 🔗

The best protest is to adopt the one faggots used back in the 80’s by being out and proud only you’re out and about without a mask.
I listened to David Icke and he said fuck all, he never says fuck all. The man hasn’t an original word in him. Don’t get me wrong i love a good grift and Icke’s is a doozy. He can get enough deluded souls to fill the Albert Hall at 100 quid a ticket, the man’s no fool, he also shouldn’t be censored in any way, obviously. You’ll never convince the fan it’s a grift, just watch as i get down voted, but i find it ironic that he accuses the secret government of being a cult while all the while his disciples are just that. Though i do agree with him that the Queen is a Lizard albeit an 800 year old one. I’m thinking of putting on a gig in the Albert Hall myself to explain this theory and others like, it’s the filters in tobacco that cause the cancer not the tobacco, how you can’t prove you’re alive, Austrian Economics is the only way to a free society, how rich people who support Labour are all child abusers, if you hum at 432khz you can move any mountain, Ebeneezar Goode is much maligned and misunderstood, water without first being boiled and turned into tea causes lung cancer and the earth is both round and flat it all depends on how calcified you Pineal Gland is, with those using fluoride toothpaste having the most calcified Pineal Gland rendering them more likely to dogmatically believe the world is round, science is real and people read long posts.

109580 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Biker, 4, #232 of 1269 🔗

Joe Biden definitely looks like a lizard

109585 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 17, #233 of 1269 🔗

He looks like a man who sniffs children in a really creepy way. Imagine voting for an obviously vile evil bastard as that

110680 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Biker, #234 of 1269 🔗

He is. Have you not seen the videos ?

109676 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #235 of 1269 🔗

So does Nancy Pelosi, all that weird shiney letherskin.

109813 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #236 of 1269 🔗

He is almost motionless without his heat-matt.

110021 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #237 of 1269 🔗

Don’t know about Biden but I’m pretty sure Nancy Pelosi is Mason Verger wearing a wig..

109616 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Biker, 5, #238 of 1269 🔗

The trouble with sarcasm these days is that it is increasingly difficult to tell it apart from the real thing.

Little Britain was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction video.

109697 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 4, #239 of 1269 🔗

I imagine that many of us are out and proudly about maskless most days but, unlike the gays, don’t feel the need to bang on about ( not proud actually since I barely give masks a thought one way or the other now).

109588 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 20, #240 of 1269 🔗

I have to admit that I only half understand how to use twitter, but in a small attempt to do my bit I have attempted to reply to a few tweets from lockdown/facemask zealots. So far most of the replies and ‘likes’ have been from people in support of my comments.
But I received this reply to a reply I made with regard to facemasks
# ZeroCovid @seventiesicon
Replying to @martindale567 and @BGidmxn
which is why they are worn in every other country in the world
To me this response goes right back to the fairy story about the Emperor’s New Clothes, everybody says the emperors got clothes on, so everybody says they can see them even though he is naked. So facemasks must be right because everybody is wearing them? I guess that puts us in the role of the little boy who pops up and shouts that the Emperor has no clothes on.
I then went to highlight the reply I had been sent so I could maybe reply further to find that ZeroCovid had blocked me so I could not reply nor see their posts.
So the argument for facemasks seems to be that they must be right because everyone is wearing them and we cannot take them off because we are walking around with our fingers in our ears so we cannot hear any counter arguments.

109600 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #241 of 1269 🔗

If you really want to you can simply search for @seventiesicon with DuckDuckGo (or similar). I don’t do social media (to the great relief of my children no doubt). I read some US twitter accounts including the wonderful @Barnes_Law to try to understand what is going on over there.

109703 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, #242 of 1269 🔗

But can you remember the conclusion of that fairytale ?

110226 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, #243 of 1269 🔗

Unfortunately yes.

109944 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #244 of 1269 🔗

ZeroCovid clearly believes lockdown must be right “because everybody else is doing it”.

109589 stewart, replying to stewart, 39, #245 of 1269 🔗

Speculative theories about the cause of all this (NWO, Bill Gates) are not helpful, especially because they are unnecessary. The violation of civil liberties is bad enough without having to make it sound worse.

However it would be nice if wild thinking on the other side of the debate could be treated with similar disdain, When Neil Ferguson publishes outrageous predictions of deaths and systematically gets it wrong, can we call him a looney too for coming up with a wildly implausible theory?

When a government minister concocts the idea that wearing masks in school corridors but not in classrooms is a logical disease prevention strategy, can we put that in the same category as the 5G theory? Because it sounds no less ridiculous.

The difference of course is that 5G and NWO theorists don’t really cause much harm, whereas Neil Ferguson and ministers are causing untold misery with their own crazy ideas.

109593 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to stewart, 22, #246 of 1269 🔗

All of the Covid 19(84) policies have been dictated by the World Health Authority, including saying (out of blue) than all 12 year olds should wear mask.

Nearly every country in the world sent the elderly from hospitals to care homes with the same results.

110020 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #247 of 1269 🔗

Something you don’t hear anything about is how PHE didn’t just discharge people from Generals into care homes, but also transferred them into Community Hospitals. The resulting deaths are just more hospital deaths though. We’ll never know how many died as a result, it’ll be suppressed.

109604 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to stewart, 15, #248 of 1269 🔗

Yes indeed, all the wild speculation about armaggeddon around the corner because schools and universities are re-starting and are full of people who are relatively unaffected by the disease seem as much a loony conspiracy theory as anything else.

109710 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stewart, 5, #249 of 1269 🔗

Any pupil whose mum is a nurse should be capable of arguing that putting masks on and off renders them worse than useless.

109738 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stewart, 3, #250 of 1269 🔗

Yes 5g has been spun into a crazy conspiracy, as is the sell from the likes of David Icke.

However, they only find fertile ground because there is at least some truth in the concerns. There are no doubt 5g protestors that also feel Icke is the wrong front man and drowns out their legitimate concerns.


What I see in this discussion this morning is many deriding the appearance of Icke and others for diluting the main message, but fail to realise that within each there is truth too.

NWO?? Yes, there are globalist agendas and democracy is being undermined to further them. The people are pawns.

5g? See above the concerns. Not to say they cannot be challenge but they seem sensible to me.

Lizards? There is a long history of lizards being mentioned in various cultures. Including the Bible. Indian cultures in the US have a rich history of telling such tales.


Not to say any of this is true, but just to point out that conspiracy evolves from speculation on something that is considered to be the truth. Otherwise it’s hard to gain traction.

I would recommend Those Conspiracy Guys podcast. They delve into such topics over 3 or more hour long podcasts with an open mind. It’s superbly balanced and not trying to ram it down your throat. They are also comedians so interject a lot of humour which makes it worth the time.

109602 Commander Jameson, replying to Commander Jameson, 15, #251 of 1269 🔗

How many of the cranks at the protests are state agent provocateurs?

Every time there is a protest in Germany, three skinheads turn up so the TV cameras can focus on them. Now for sure, such people exist (and turn up to protests) but it’s mighty convenient that there are plenty of cranks around to (1) put people with sensible objections off attending (2) discredit those that do as conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, far-right nutters, etc.

109715 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Commander Jameson, 4, #252 of 1269 🔗

Interesting question, this is something that has happened in the recent past and it is far from improbable that it still does.



There is a very long history here, I won’t bore you with details but the Babbington plot (1586) that led to the execution of Mary, Queen of Scots is a textbook example of government agents formenting what was a rather silly and improbable plot.

110100 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Commander Jameson, #253 of 1269 🔗

How many of the cranks at the protests are state agent provocateurs?

Hmmm. How many posters on here are 77th do you reckon, Commander ?

(What do you command exactly ?).

110122 ▶▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to JohnB, 1, #254 of 1269 🔗

Commander Jameson is the default player character name in the classic BBC micro game “elite”, which I loved as a kid.

In real life I’m a medically educated clinical researcher.

I’m sure there are a few Brigade 77 types here, out to discredit covid skepticism by filling the place up with 5G, David Icke, and overblown claims that PCR tests are useless because they aren’t perfect.

110715 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Commander Jameson, -2, #255 of 1269 🔗

BBC eh ? 🙂

Personally, I see the 77th’s main role here and on other sites, as being to divide and rule. To me, division is way higher up their agenda than discrediting.

Having seen knowledgeable people with integrity ridiculed, slandered, and censored for decades, they don’t need the slightest bit of help from us for that. Division though, they need us to shoot ourselves in the feet.

109606 Basics, replying to Basics, 47, #256 of 1269 🔗

My comment here isn’t intended to sound especially mean but I cannot think of a better way to say what I want to.

Anyine who is complaining about the kinds of people and messages at the protest might like to consider the effort, balls and courage it takes to put on any protest. If those who put on last Saturdays are delusional loonies then perhaps it’s time to stop complaining and time to organise your own demonstration.

It takes huge skill, determination and pluck. Good luck to all those who have done it and do it in future. Swelling the numbers to dilute messages you don’t agree with is one action you can take to counter the problem you see.

Refining the message is also a good so perhaps you already are working to better the situation.

With every anti-establishment protest it’s likely there will be agent provocateurs* using any means available to discredit. It is never going to be perfect. I believe the message of unifying is important, we can easily set aside differences because on this Covid1984 issue we, the people, have more in common than that which divides us.

*I’m not suggesting any group were agents on Saturday. Extinction Rebellion, BLM are establishment controlled opposition.

109621 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Basics, 8, #257 of 1269 🔗

The problem is that skeptics are cats, and the other side is a pack of hounds. They are sufficiently cult like to get petitions raised and several hundred thousand signatures attached. They are skilled at lobbying – largely because they probably all work in media, PR and advertising

And of course they are sheep like and easily hypnotisable – which makes them very easy to corral using fairly standard persuasion techniques.

Real skeptics really just want the world to act rationally and leave them alone.

109635 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Lucan Grey, 4, #258 of 1269 🔗

Real skeptics want tge world to leave them alone. I want that. They are intent on leaving no one behind. Even skeptics need to compromise to see of tyranny. There are ways of adapting to others without taking on their ideologies. Clearly the tar brush will be out to get everyone who speaks up. Is that enough to end dissent?

109651 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 9, #259 of 1269 🔗

An interesting blog post on tge subject.

“This is now, quite simply, about ordinary people standing up to the exploitative dictatorship of the global capitalist technocratic elite.

“At this moment of enormous existential crisis for the freedom and well-being of humankind, all certainties around previous political classifications have been thrown out of the window.”


109827 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Basics, 3, #260 of 1269 🔗

thanks for posting this, basics , great link.

110259 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, 4, #261 of 1269 🔗

As one participant put it : “We are left, we are right, we are young, old, black, white, we are the working class. And our eyes are open. Don’t believe the hype. The Unite For Freedom march was very diverse. We cannot afford to be divided any longer”.

109721 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 3, #262 of 1269 🔗

Likewise which is why I describe myself as anarcho-conservative, leave me alone and leave my world alone too.

109716 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lucan Grey, 5, #263 of 1269 🔗

They are so skilled at lobbying, PR and the media, yet they think they can turn the Covid paranoia they created on and off like a tap.

110107 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lucan Grey, -2, #264 of 1269 🔗

Think of yourself anyway you like. Cats, cult-like, ffs.

Media, PR, advertsing – risible.

Real sceptics do what you tell them ? Ha ha.

109804 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Basics, 4, #265 of 1269 🔗

My thoughts exactly. I wouldn’t have been able to articulate them so well though. Thank you.

109821 ▶▶ gina, replying to Basics, 5, #266 of 1269 🔗

Hear, hear! Thank you for posting this. I went to the rally in Trafalgar Square on this understanding.

109995 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basics, 4, #267 of 1269 🔗

Great post Basics. Totally agree. It is important that we stand together. Small splinter groups do NOT work.

A lockdown sceptic will be labeled/smeared by the press/social media/government, etc as it is the way they deal with people that goes against the narrative

109608 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 17, #268 of 1269 🔗

In the distant future I hope these pages and comments will stand as a “Pepys’ diary recording the lunacy that struck Britain in 2020

So for our readers in 2320


Due to government imposed conditions it’s unlikely that there is a viable public house, restaurant or cafe left in Britain.

Sitting in a pub is akin to sitting in a gulag canteen. These conditions are zealously enforced by local authority licencing officers. It has not yet dawned on these licencing officers that the resultant loss of tax revenue will mean the loss of their jobs

The government continues to encourage the falsification of death certificates in order to show that people died of covid 19 when they had not

The government is increasing testing for covid19. This is so the government can tell people that are well, that they are unwell. This is despite the the fact that people know they are well and that the government knows that they know they are well

Yesterday at Banwen in South Wales a gathering of 3,000 people was broken up by riot police and the organisers handed 10k fines. Twenty miles South at Barry Island tens of thousands of people gathered without restriction.

According to reports from the state news agency, 2,800 of the Banwen irresponsibles are predicated to die from covid

109614 ▶▶ Commander Jameson, replying to Cecil B, 4, #269 of 1269 🔗

The licensing officers work for the state, they will always have jobs. In fact with no cafes, pubs and restaurants to inspect, they can “work” from home!

110112 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, 1, #270 of 1269 🔗

On the bright side, pubs can re-open once all the licensing inspectors have been sacked. 🙂

109610 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 147, #271 of 1269 🔗

So, I’m apparently a sociopath because I refuse to be forced to wear a dirty, bacteria-ridden rag on my face against my will when there is weak scientific evidence as to its effectiveness.

I’m not the one who instigated a massive involuntary euthanasia programme by discharging elderly Covid hospital patients into care homes. I’m not the one who locked healthy people away for MONTHS on end and refused to let them meet, hug, and kissed loved ones. I’m not the one who made sexual intercourse with someone outside my household illegal. I’m not the one who has destroyed the education and physical/mental wellbeing of children the world over. I’m not the one who closed down the health service to anyone who didn’t have Covid, condemning them to a slow death. I’m not the one who drove teenagers to suicide because they just could not cope with this horrendous new dystopia. I’m not the one who forced businesses to close for the longest period in history, depriving normal hard-working people of their livelihoods and everything they have grafted for. I’m not the one who stopped people from earning a living and having purpose, making them entirely dependent on the state. I’m not the one who actively propagated a campaign of fear, paralysing the people of this country and turning them against one another. I’m not the one who forced people against their will to smother their faces, impeding communication and the psychological development of children and causing physical and mental illness. I’m not the one who encouraged people to shame those not wearing a face mask. I’m not the one who plugged dodgy data into an equally dodgy computer model to come up with alarmist death predictions. I’m not the one who has restructured businesses, schools, shops, and society in the vision of a hypochondriac suffering from OCD because I’m just too cowardly to admit I made the biggest policy mistake in history. I’m not the one who banned visits to people who were breathing their last in care homes, letting them die alone, frightened, wondering what the hell was going on.

And yet I’M the sociopath?!

109613 ▶▶ Tommo, replying to Poppy, 15, #272 of 1269 🔗


109618 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Poppy, 11, #273 of 1269 🔗

Great post.

109620 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Poppy, 33, #274 of 1269 🔗

Great comment. All the more powerful for being completely true.

But if the MSM feels the need to publish garbage like that Times article, and stuff like the 88% or whatever it was find masked men more attractive, we can be confident they are desperate and feel things slipping away. Either that, or they are mad.

My fervent hope is that those responsible for the catalogue of crimes listed in your post one day face justice. They should be hunted down like war criminals and brought to account.

109638 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Poppy, 8, #275 of 1269 🔗

Exactly…. how many other peoples holidays did you cancel?

109641 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 37, #276 of 1269 🔗

Spot on and I agree with every word you’ve said. This is the reason why I’ve boycotted the MSM from the word go and cancelled my Times subscription. It’s very clear that people are slowly turning and the government and MSM are desperate to retain control hence articles like these which are so obviously fake and cobbled together meaningless pile of shit.

When the reckoning arrives its not just the likes of Johnson, Wakcock, Ferguson, Whitty, Vallance and Sturgeon who should get their just desserts. I would also include the bosses that make up the MSM (BBC, Sky, Times, Guardian, Daily Mail, etc) as well as the likes of Piers Morgan – they should face up to the consequences to their role in helping destroy the economy and people’s lives. They should be made to pay and not be allowed to get away with it.

109992 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #277 of 1269 🔗

MSM are even MORE culpable than the government in my view! (Not that I’m letting the government off in any way shape or form)

110316 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #278 of 1269 🔗

If there’s a Nuremberg Part 2 then both government and MSM should be tried for genocide and/or crimes against humanity.

109658 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Poppy, 8, #279 of 1269 🔗

So very, very true.

109692 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stewart, 16, #280 of 1269 🔗

Labelling people sociopath/psychopath seems quite hard nosed.

It appears it’s intended to socially shame a person. I just wonder is it a Nudge Unit ploy from the conspiracist pyschologists in the UK Governments Behaviour Change unit. I label those academic bastards ‘c**ts’ myself so I guess it’s even.

They may think of themselves as a modern day Bletchley Park running the populous with nothing more than a knitted tank top and jar of brylcream, but we know they are on the dark side. I would stick my leg out if one walked past, but only because I am a sociopath.

109707 ▶▶ Ben Pattinson, replying to Poppy, 5, #281 of 1269 🔗

Great post which nails it!

109711 ▶▶ Norma McNormalface, replying to Poppy, 14, #282 of 1269 🔗

Brilliantly put. Sociopath is a word that is bandied about too easily these days. I’m happy to be labelled a sociopath if this is the other side of the coin — brainwashed psychopaths!

109714 ▶▶ percy openshaw, replying to Poppy, 6, #283 of 1269 🔗


109743 ▶▶ ianric, replying to Poppy, 4, #284 of 1269 🔗

Fantastic comment.

109830 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Poppy, 7, #285 of 1269 🔗

it’s really great Poppy.

I would like a t shirt

“Apparently I’m a sociopath for not wearing a mask, but ….”

What you wrote above…

109831 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Poppy, 7, #286 of 1269 🔗

Fantastic Poppy That should be the new lockdown skeptic leaflet .This is exactly the arguments we need ,leave the out there stuff behind us and present the facts and how they have effected us all .But put them out there with passion.

109836 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Poppy, 4, #287 of 1269 🔗


109865 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Poppy, 3, #288 of 1269 🔗

oh well said!

109901 ▶▶ Badgerman, replying to Poppy, 2, #289 of 1269 🔗

Well said

109942 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Poppy, 3, #290 of 1269 🔗

Best post of the day, on a level with the one from Alethea a few days ago.

109984 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Poppy, 5, #291 of 1269 🔗

Excellent, screen shot for reference.

110055 ▶▶ DomW, replying to Poppy, 4, #292 of 1269 🔗

Absolutely brilliant. I’ve mailed it to myself for posterity.

Does the Times allow comments ? Anyone one with a subscription (yeah, I know) could post that as a superb (and suitably attributed, of course) rebuff

110074 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Poppy, 2, #293 of 1269 🔗


110108 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Poppy, 2, #294 of 1269 🔗

Is that the most ‘likes’ for any one comment? It is spot on. Well said.

110116 ▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 3, #295 of 1269 🔗

It certainly deserves the accolade

110137 ▶▶ Newmill Mark, replying to Poppy, 3, #296 of 1269 🔗


110630 ▶▶ Scotty87, replying to Poppy, #297 of 1269 🔗

I know this question is offensive to some Poppy, but do you use Twitter? Would love to give you a follow.

110697 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Scotty87, #298 of 1269 🔗

Not offensive at all! No, sadly I don’t use Twitter 🙂

110768 ▶▶▶▶ Scotty87, replying to Poppy, 2, #299 of 1269 🔗

Haha sometimes I don’t blame people! You’d be a real asset, there’s a great sceptic community there under Simon Dolan’s #KBF movement. We’re taking the fight to the bedwetters! 💪🏼

110843 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Poppy, 1, #300 of 1269 🔗

Superb, Poppy. Well put.

109617 snippet, replying to snippet, 8, #301 of 1269 🔗

At what point will the lack of a second wave be accepted? Christmas? March?

109631 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to snippet, 6, #302 of 1269 🔗

What year? Christmas/March of 2030 would be my best guess

109639 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to snippet, 2, #303 of 1269 🔗

Calling it a second wave is roughly as appropriate as calling “summer” a “heatwave”.

109664 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to snippet, 9, #304 of 1269 🔗

There will be a second wave. All the flu and cold nasties that folk get in late autumn and winter will be spun into the second wave.

109693 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to bluemoon, 4, #305 of 1269 🔗

Correct, all the normal seasonal deaths from Flu will be fudged to be COVID-19, so second wave will definitely be here by March next year.

109764 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to JohnB, 2, #306 of 1269 🔗

If that is the cade then how exactly are they differentiating between flu and CV19 now? Has been many posts on here discussing comparison of current deaths rates between the two. Surely that would not be possible if just bunged under the CV19 category to further the lockdown agenda?

109694 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to snippet, 3, #307 of 1269 🔗

I don’t expect there to be a second wave.

But yet I cannot rule it out completely until I have done a bit more research. If the Russian “flu” of 1889 was indeed the emergence of the OC43 coronavirus, as has been postulated, it DID have a second wave the following year. I don’t know why. I need to look into that.

Anyway coronaviruses in the northern hemisphere temperate zones typically peak Jan-Mar so I guess Feb/March we should know.

109990 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sophie123, 1, #308 of 1269 🔗

But surely Feb/March would be the annual return just like most virus.

110536 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Sophie123, 2, #309 of 1269 🔗

Interesting I didn’t know the 1890 pandemic had a second wave.

In the context of Covid it’s not well defined what people mean by a second wave. You get a second wave when you lift early lockdowns (but other people call that the first wave) and we can expect an adjustment to a higher equilibrium in winter. Then I would expect it to return every year or two, each time less severely than the last.

Probably now about 50% of people have had it. The other 50% will get it for the first time (for them) over the next few decades resulting in more new deaths, but more slowly.

That Dutch study found that since about 1985 most people had had most of the HCoVs about 5 times each.

109699 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to snippet, 4, #310 of 1269 🔗

We may never know because if they decide to lock everyone down and there is no second waver (however they define one) then they will simply say it was lockdown wot did it.

In fact if there is no second wave, any actions taken will be claimed to have prevented it.

109819 ▶▶▶ snippet, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #311 of 1269 🔗

Sweden provides the control. I hope they prove how wrong everyone else has been.

109988 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to snippet, #312 of 1269 🔗

Freshers Flu will be SW if they ever go back to Uni

109619 hotrod, replying to hotrod, 13, #313 of 1269 🔗

If we can agree that the Unions would love to bring the government down (see Jo Grady UCU) yesterday.

So hence it’s curious that the Government continue to act in a way that is providing more and more power to those wishing to destroy them.

Friday AM Johnson and his lap dog Shapps say return to work it’s safe.

Friday PM Sturgoen – don’t return to work it’s not safe.

Saturday AM – Hancock “expect the second wave, lockdowns are coming, cancel Christmas”

If the government believes its message then why on earth isn’t there stronger leadership and agree a plan/message and stick to it.

109627 ▶▶ Basics, replying to hotrod, 13, #314 of 1269 🔗

My take on it is the confusion is deliberate. With confusion present a person or group is more suggestable. Works from the slight of hand in a card game up to controlling a nation.

109663 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Basics, 12, #315 of 1269 🔗

I think it’s much likelier that the government is simply weak and rudderless, buffeted by the various forces of society and incapable of setting its own course.

109674 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stewart, 4, #316 of 1269 🔗

I listen to what you say but remain disagreed. I don’t consider the gits in suits who dress for going on TV, the politicians, are setting any of the direction they drag us in. They are incompetent. They idea we got from February to today by happenstance is not acceptable to me.

109720 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, 3, #317 of 1269 🔗

Agree.No one is this incompetent.

109667 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Basics, 6, #318 of 1269 🔗

You give them too much credit. They are bunch of fools and expecting them to be able to play the card game “snap” is probably optimistic.

109633 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to hotrod, 6, #319 of 1269 🔗

Strong leadership requires strong leaders.

109690 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to hotrod, 9, #320 of 1269 🔗

I find it curious too. The MSM has way more than enough ammunition to bring this Government down. The Care Homes death scandal on it’s own should be more than enough to do this but they just sit back and keep pumping the scare mongering out.

109997 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JohnB, 1, #322 of 1269 🔗

Because the media have been bought by the waves of Covid themed advertising.
If they told the truth about the Covid that income would cease and they would be out of business.

110001 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JohnB, 1, #323 of 1269 🔗

Partly because the MSM are complicit, thanks to their panic-mongering.

109774 ▶▶ kf99, replying to hotrod, 2, #324 of 1269 🔗

Is telling people to go back to work, a devolved issue? I would argue it is not. Therefore Johnson/Davidson/Ross or whoever could be all over Scottish Media telling people to go back – if that is the UK-wide message. What could Sturgeon do about it?

109993 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to hotrod, 3, #325 of 1269 🔗

If Johnson was properly in charge he would have sacked Hancock for that.

110459 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to hotrod, #326 of 1269 🔗

The compliant public just keeps saying: We need more guidance.

WHY don’t you just try to think for yourself???

109623 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #327 of 1269 🔗

Cheer up! Is BLM in Britain in death throes?


They planned it as a Million Man March. Cuppla hundred showed up.

109637 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to Basics, 7, #328 of 1269 🔗

When the premier league players stop taking the knee before every fucking game we’ll know that one has run it’s course.

FWIW, unlike some on here, I do agree with the original claimed sentiment of their ‘movement’ (that racism is bad and that racism shouldnt be a thing) and agree there _is_ an ever present issue of racism within society, but there is also sexism – against women *and*, shock, in some industries against men, and ageism and classism (i’m assuming I can just add ism onto the end of things to make it work).

I’m not convinced, however, that a majority of the people going on the marches/protests/riots (or even organising them) are doing so to effect change in a co-operative manner, quite simply because it’s pretty much an intangible thing to try and change. What are they hoping for exactly? It’s a bit like the petty covid restrictions, there’s no ‘target’ to aim for and thus they can never be satisfied. It’s not like they’ve said ‘we’re protesting to get law X changed and thus help us on our way to a remove race as an obstacle to achieving Y’. See also that we are not told to ‘wear masks to achieve outcome Z’ and thus there is no way out of masks.

The BLM movement will run its course because they’ve never actually had some target in mind that can be achieved in order to stop the protests. Thankfully it looks likely to wane here before causing massive issues, unlike in the states where it has just morphed into some odd politically charged rampage of angry white 20 somethings tearing around pestering diners…

109655 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mark II, 14, #329 of 1269 🔗

I think as well they’ve massively shot themselves in the foot – look at the Last Night of the Proms furore, the BBC and Dalia Stavseka (the conductor) have massively misjudged the mood of the public. The BBC have gained nothing but more nails to stick into their coffin and I won’t be surprised if this year’s Last Night will end up with abysmal ratings while Stavseka hopefully has learned the lesson that the only thing people want from her is to wave her stick around and are not interested in her virtue signalling nonsense.

109656 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Mark II, 4, #330 of 1269 🔗

Discrimination is endemic, as part of the human condition.

It is wrong. It was noticed long ago. It is a tool of division by anyone wanting to invoke it’s principles. This was noticed equally long ago too..

109684 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 11, #331 of 1269 🔗

The thing I find is the ones who are the most vocal about hate are the ones that are filled with the most hate.

A tweet appeared on my Twitter line the other day from some guy who was justifying that he and his like minded friends were more evolved because they are above hate. I read through his Tweets and found they contained nothing but hate, but he and his friends are unable to see this, and believe they are on a much higher plain than everyone else.

109698 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to JohnB, 1, #332 of 1269 🔗


110638 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alison9, replying to Basics, #333 of 1269 🔗

Definitely projection.

109740 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to JohnB, #334 of 1269 🔗

aha. but your hate is his reasonable and reasoned argument .

109675 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark II, 6, #335 of 1269 🔗

When the premier league players stop taking the knee before every fucking game we’ll know that one has run it’s course.” – they only get away with it because there’s no fans there, as soon as fans are there it’s gone as the boos will resonate around the stadiums.

109640 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Basics, 1, #336 of 1269 🔗

Damn, just when I was going to give them a huge donation. Speaking of which, what happened to all the money?

109653 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Basics, 3, #337 of 1269 🔗

I read somewhere that XR were blocking a road in Muswell Hill. Probably so they could all walk home to their Mummies. There were just enough of them to block one road junction.

109724 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, 8, #338 of 1269 🔗

Great picture in there.Man holding up a placard saying ‘I can’t breathe ‘
wearing a mask,

110005 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 1, #339 of 1269 🔗

That happened down my way a while back. The city centre demo as planned gained so much promised support it had to be moved to an out of town park but barely 100 turned up.

109626 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 9, #340 of 1269 🔗

Apologies if someone has already posted this:

Clinical characteristics of children and young people admitted to hospital with covid-19 in United Kingdom: prospective multicentre observational cohort study

Key quote:

Six (1%) children and young people died in hospital. Three were neonates (age <28 days) with severe comorbidities/illness—very premature, complex congenital cardiac anomaly, and bacterial sepsis. Three were aged 15-18 years, two of whom had profound neurodisability with pre-existing respiratory compromise; the other was immunosuppressed by chemotherapy for malignancy and had bacterial sepsis. Two children under 5 years old, both with life limiting, complex comorbidities, were discharged with planned palliative care and cause of death was not related to covid-19.

109645 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Basileus, 4, #341 of 1269 🔗

Please remove this post. The truth is not allowed

109688 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Basileus, 6, #342 of 1269 🔗

Yes but if they hadn’t died they could have lived a bit longer.

Something that is unique to dying with COVID.

110017 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basileus, #343 of 1269 🔗

That information has been around for months, the BMJ chose to Reveal it on Friday as the government attempted to row back the fear about school returns.

Several months if propaganda by omission.

110079 ▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Basileus, #344 of 1269 🔗

My only question is if the study is of ALL hospitals in England & Wales or if the “multicentre” study of 260 centres is just a portion of the whole? Read whole study and still wasn’t clear!

109632 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 2, #345 of 1269 🔗

The bejewelled face mask from Jacob Arabo-does it come with washing instructions?

109636 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Margaret, 1, #346 of 1269 🔗

Probably “Dry Clean Only”

109642 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #347 of 1269 🔗

No need, just give it to one of the house servants they’ll know what to do

109662 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Margaret, 10, #348 of 1269 🔗

Can I buy one for my hamster.

109700 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Margaret, #349 of 1269 🔗

It would be very scratchy and uncomfortable to wear

109705 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Margaret, 2, #350 of 1269 🔗

Probably comes with money washing instructions.

109898 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to OKUK, 1, #351 of 1269 🔗

Nice! What the plebs don’t realise, it’s a pure carbon filter.

109643 Jane in France, replying to Jane in France, 5, #352 of 1269 🔗

If kids at King David High School in Manchester have to wear masks in classrooms, they will have the same experience as kids in France who as from tomorrow will have to do just that from the age of eleven upwards, as well as on the bus and in the corridors and the playground. There are always lots of programmes at this time of year discussing the dire state of education in France. This morning they also mentioned masks. Since it’s quite a big deal they had to. But it was a bit like Have you stopped beating your wife. Instead of “Do you think children should wear masks all day when there is no evidence to suggest mask-wearing in a non-surgical setting protects anyone?” the question was “Do you think masks should be provided free by the state? And if so for everyone or just for less well-off children?” And then they were side-tracked into an erudite discussion about égalité.

109649 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jane in France, 7, #353 of 1269 🔗

Maybe the parents at King David’s should do precisely that – we ain’t sending our kids in masks, if you want to, pay for it and provide the muzzle. While we’re at it, we’ll also hold you responsible if any kid passes out or heaven forbid dies while wearing them in your premises.

110223 ▶▶ alison, replying to Jane in France, 1, #354 of 1269 🔗

Mandatory masks are bad and bad enough. But they raise even more serious issues when people are required to wear them all day long. Especially worrying for children and people who are required to wear them outside as in Spain, Are there any studies at all on whether they have detrimental health effects if worn all day long? Because there should be some onus on those requiring it to prove it is safe for hours at a time, in a community setting.

Somebody involved with the union at my work is saying that in Scotland they will soon be mandatory in offices, indoor workplaces and essentially all indoor settings except homes. She may be talking wishful nonsense, but saw Paul Nuki in Telegraph beating the same drum.

109644 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 6, #355 of 1269 🔗

“The refusal to wear face masks linked to sociopathy” – if this narrative takes hold then we are all going to be sectioned. Dystopia wins!

109669 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Country Mumkin, 15, #356 of 1269 🔗

It was linked to Psychopathy yesterday!

Interesting how loads of people who have never broken the law in their lives, lead responsible lives, work (or have worked all their lives), pay their taxes, contribute to society, and don’t riot because they think something isn’t going their way, are now all being labelled as Psychopaths and Sociopaths because they will not wear a bit of fabric on their faces which has no evidence of actually having any benefit as even confirmed by the Deputy Chief Medical Officer for England .

109704 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to JohnB, 5, #357 of 1269 🔗

Lot of psychopaths down the local chippy then…including the staff behind the counter.

109726 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to OKUK, 5, #358 of 1269 🔗

Wales is full of them as I says only 5% in shops are wearing them, and I’d say that 5% were English bed wetters from the behavior I’ve seen.

109782 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to JohnB, 6, #359 of 1269 🔗

I would agree. I’m in Pembrokeshire and there are a few with face coverings. Tesco shopping was like it should be, people wandering around with little care in the world

109757 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to JohnB, 4, #360 of 1269 🔗

The psychopaths and sociopaths frequent Downing Street.

109682 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #361 of 1269 🔗

It’s the 21st century term for “heretic”.

109897 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Country Mumkin, 3, #362 of 1269 🔗

When the desperation comes through in barmy mad statement like this, we could be on a winner.

If you want sociopathy and psychopathy, I suggest a look as SPI-B characters.

110855 ▶▶ rational actor, replying to Country Mumkin, #363 of 1269 🔗

This ‘dark triad’ mumbo-jumbo seems to be getting trotted out a lot these days. First of all, narcissism and psychopathy are not personality traits, but disorders that are defined by the possession of personality traits, such as grandiosity or lack of empathy. Psychopaths are themselves narcissists, but in other ways the two are antithetical. Psychopaths are more self-aware and better able to gauge how they come across to others, while narcissists simply have no comprehension at all off others’ emotional reactions to them. Like the old saying goes, ‘Psychopaths know how you feel, they just don’t care. Narcissists don’t even know.’ You can’t add up and get narcissist + psychopath = sociopath. Right now, both types of people would be wearing masks: narcissists because they depend heavily on the approbation of others and want to be seen to be better than everyone else without going out on a limb at all, and psychopaths because they can manipulate others less conspicuously. Ted Bundy would absolutely be wearing a mask.

Always be wary of ‘studies’ like this. Woke progressives are very much invested in manipulating mental health narratives, partly as a means of discrediting their opposition and partly as a way of disguising the fact that progressivism itself is a psychologically destabilizing belief system. There is also a wider attempted reframing which you have probably noticed. Being ‘kind’ and ‘caring’ is being pushed as healthy and socially acceptable, whereas being argumentative and independent is, guess what, a sign of dysfunction. It is not an accident that ‘caring’ turns quickly into the totalitarianism of the mommy who won’t let you out of her sight because she wants you to be safe. It is also, of course, another attack on masculine virtues.

109666 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 4, #364 of 1269 🔗

Another exercise in fabrication and propaganda from the state news agency

A covhysteric’s word is taken as gospel, whilst everyone else on the plane, including the crew are covidiots

Or perhaps it just people realising it’s all covbollocks


109681 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cecil B, 4, #365 of 1269 🔗

It’s all bollocks isn’t it. The ‘i’m going to self isolate to save a life’ brigade are all working at home so everyone is self isolating, it’s a win win for the self-righteous and the government.

110024 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, #366 of 1269 🔗

Yes, the tui flight was all over the BBC news this Monday morning, full of could, might and ifs.

109671 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 7, #367 of 1269 🔗

Regarding the technocratic elite, I suggest listening to or reading Dwight D Eisenhower’s final speech. Piers Corbyn can be too much of a conspiracy theorist BUT the one area I agree with him are his views on climate change.
My wife works in a university library and is petrified about the students coming back. They increase the towns population by 30%.
Currently I am on holiday in South Wales and went to a large supermarket no masks, no one way system almost normal. The TUI flight from Greece that has to self isolate was heading to Cardiff Airport, which maybe why there were no masks worn by the ‘covidiots’ as reported on the BBC probably by passengers from England.

109708 ▶▶ Basics, replying to p02099003, 2, #368 of 1269 🔗

Good suggestion to seek out Eisenhower’s speech.

3 mins from it

16 mins of it

109789 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basics, 1, #369 of 1269 🔗

Thanks for the link – just listened to it. A lot of it is eerily prophetic.

109689 swedenborg, 4, #371 of 1269 🔗

 “The findings reveal that ivermectin demonstrates statistically significant benefits for use as a prophylaxis to prevent symptomatic COVID-19 infection in individuals that have been exposed to close family members diagnosed with COVID-19.” New published article from Egypt. Tabl Ivermectin rather cheap drug used for parasitic diseases and Norwegian scabies

109691 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 16, #372 of 1269 🔗

One of the many things that has annoyed me about all this hoo-haa is that so often nobody seems to look beyond the immediate headline, step back, and try and get an overall picture of what is going on?
At present the whole shambolic hoo-haa is underpinned by test results, now we know there are significant questions about these tests but the results do indicate that there is some virus about. At the same time as reported in this newsletter actual Covid 19 hospital cases and deaths are way down to virtually insignificant levels. And yet I do not hear anybody in authority or on the media asking or discussing why we have this glaring disparity? We are finding some ‘dodgy’ evidence of a virus that appears to be doing nothing! has the virus changed? have we changed? what is going on? Why is nobody explaining this?

109696 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Steve Martindale, #373 of 1269 🔗

I thought that any coronavirus, ie cold or flu would show up as a positive

109713 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #374 of 1269 🔗

It seems that it targets genetic material unique to covid-19. That doesn’t mean there aren’t other problems with it. I believe that some research suggests that we might benefit from some cross-immunity if we’ve had other coronaviruses, but that’s a separate issue

109722 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #375 of 1269 🔗

My limited understanding is that causes of common colds include rhinoviruses (summer/autumn) and corona viruses (late winter/early spring) -mild symptoms have the same symptoms as mild influenza and severe symptoms have the same symptoms as severe influenza – confusing stuff. I guess that a vulnerable frail person (weakened immune system) being attacked by both the c19 corona virus and flu at the same time is going really struggle through – stay healthy and don’t get old…

109746 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Major Panic, #376 of 1269 🔗

Where is the hydroxychloroquine?

109728 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #377 of 1269 🔗

Nope, flu is a different virus. Cross reactivity to other coronaviruses depends on the test, but the ones in use are somewhat specific i.e. won’t confuse sars-cov-1 with 2.

109712 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #378 of 1269 🔗

A good proportion of the peak care home deaths were manslaughter (at best), triggered in part by media scaremongering. This makes media and politicians culpable. They know this deep down, probably at a subconscious level. This was accelerated by poor initial treatment when everyone was put on a ventilator by default. This keeps the doctors quiet.
If they acknowledge that the virus harm has been negligible since late June then it exposes them to scrutiny. The longer it can be spun out, the less likely they are to face justice. In the case of the psychopath politicians it is even more devious. They want a fake vaccine to show that they saved us all.
So I don’t expect anyone in media, politics or healthcare to look at the big picture.

110035 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #379 of 1269 🔗

Home Care Covid deaths cited as 40% of the total, beeb news Saturday. Hospitals were, I think, 30% so that leaves just 30% for the general population.

109736 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #380 of 1269 🔗

The ONS Infection Survey Pilot shows that only 28% of the positives have symptoms. Shouldn’t this then start alarm bells ringing that there is something wrong with the test, such as the specificity or sensitivity is incorrect?

I posted a couple of weeks ago about a Doctor on the front line that I know who told me that the virus had changed, and that treatments they were using back in March which would have no effect and patient would die no matter what they did are now working and they haven’t changed anything.

109892 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #381 of 1269 🔗

the results do indicate that there is some virus about”

There will be some virus circulating. It’s what happens.

But the key thing is that the PCR test does not indicate viral presence. It merely identifies certain RNA fragments that may relate to an active virus – but the fragment has to be converted into DNA and then amplified.

It’s a hell of a chain of supposition, rather than a reliable diagnostic tool.

110031 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #382 of 1269 🔗

Because to do so would be to admit that, at best, the governments lockdown ‘strategy’ has been a massive overeaction to a problem that anyone paying attention would have realised in May.

109718 chris, replying to chris, 9, #383 of 1269 🔗

Look how German Health Minister Spahn is “greeted” by people (corona-“deniers”) now:
(Already 2nd such incident in a week)

110039 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to chris, 2, #384 of 1269 🔗

With luck, our lot are going to start getting this treatment, wherever they go.

110475 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to chris, 1, #385 of 1269 🔗

He claims it is unconstitutional to speak to a politician like that. Tosser.
He is also hated as well as he just bought a house for 4.2 Million.

109719 percy openshaw, replying to percy openshaw, 22, #386 of 1269 🔗

Fraternal greetings to the brave nurse who declared the epidemic to be one of nonsense rather than disease; and even to poor old dingbat Piers who has been fined ten thousand pounds for organising a demo – this in the aftermath of all that vile BLM violence and cant.

109729 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to percy openshaw, 10, #387 of 1269 🔗

He has apparently said he won’t pay. Is this going to court – wonder whether a top legal team is supporting him?

109737 ▶▶▶ percy openshaw, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 12, #388 of 1269 🔗

I hope so – I devoutly hope so. And I hope his trial embarrasses this Keystone Cop government to the roots of its hair.

110047 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to percy openshaw, 4, #389 of 1269 🔗

I rather suspect that is his intention.

109754 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 10, #390 of 1269 🔗

Good on him.

I do find it strange how last year and this year the main opposition to the government were both from the Corbyn clan.

I continually wonder if J. Corbyn had not been demonised by the media and got in, whether we had gone down the Swedish route.

And the conspiracy theorist in me wonders if this is why the establishment was so desperate to utterly destroy Corbyn’s chances of victory (his politics are very anti-globalist). The man who I believe wrecked his road to victory, Keir Starmer, is now playing puppet as far as the ‘virus’ is concerned.

109881 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #391 of 1269 🔗

I’m not sure whether Corbyn might have got the right end of the stick and would have resisted the establishment push to elevate the danger level of this virus.

But it was the similarity of the propaganda used against Corbyn and that used to promote Covid that alerted me to the fact that an anti-democratic putsch was in process.

The compliance of Starmer with both narratives tends to substantiate the point about what is driving it, confirmed by an analysis of The Guardian’s output – always a litmus test for the establishment line.

110073 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mr Dee, 7, #392 of 1269 🔗

Given he couldn’t make his mind up which way to face regarding Brexit, I’m inclined to believe he would have done very little any different. He would have followed the rest of Europe’s lead, just as Johnson did.

We need a new Establishment and new political parties, not a continuation of failure.

109770 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #393 of 1269 🔗

There is a magazine called the Critic which has a few legal eagles questioning the Covid19 response in its September issue. Good magazine all round and worth a read, Lord Sumption in it this month.

110041 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #394 of 1269 🔗

Toby has s link to legal assistance.

Unless they spitefully fast track the case it won’t be I’m court any time soon. They already have a 6 month backlog and are still not working yet.

109730 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 19, #395 of 1269 🔗

‘Covidiots’ criticised on Tui quarantine flight

“A flight from Zante where nearly 200 people were told to self-isolate was a “debacle” with many travellers not wearing masks, a passenger snitch has said.”

193 passengers have to self-isolate because:

“Seven people … are believed to have been potentially infectious on flight 6215 from the Greek island to Cardiff.”

Seven. Out of 193. Probably no symptoms either.

Concerning the snitch – get this:

“Ms Whitfield told the BBC she and her husband had decided to self-isolate before they had even learned about the positive cases.”

“We’ve got a few symptoms, but we hope it’s a cold. We’ve had a bit of a cough, a sore throat, a headache.”

Chose to self-isolate BEFORE learning about the positive cases!!!

That’s it, I’m never going to venture out of my house again, just to make sure, in case I suffer an accident sometime in the future – it’s a dangerous world out there.

I’m genuinely baffled by the mentality of this this woman and everyone like her.

She had more chance of the plane falling from the sky than dying from covid, so why did she get on the plane?


109751 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mr Dee, 9, #396 of 1269 🔗

“We’ve got a few symptoms, but we hope it’s a cold. We’ve had a bit of a cough, a sore throat, a headache.”

Jeez, how many of us have the same symptoms everyday caused by post nasal drip, hayfever, dust, poor posture, etc.

109762 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to JohnB, 7, #397 of 1269 🔗

And many people complain of headaches, coughs and sneezes after a plane trip. Lasts about 3/4 days. Very common.

109772 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to bluemoon, 3, #398 of 1269 🔗

Yeah, I get that from the A/C systems on them and also in cars. So when I go shopping after driving people in the shops keep out my way as they think I’ve got the COVID!

109753 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mr Dee, 12, #399 of 1269 🔗

The funniest bit “we’ve got a few symptoms, but we hope it’s a cold”. Errr… wot.

It’s like cold connoisseur snobbery: “I like recent strains of the adenovirus, but that vintage rhinovirus was absolutely horrid!”.

109763 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Tee Ell, 13, #400 of 1269 🔗

Ha, yes, I was going to comment on that phrase, but I was so angry I forgot – but you’ve made the point I was going to make for me (ta!).

I’ve just been making my wife laugh by ranting and raving about this woman – the fact that she has chosen to isolate for two weeks probably means she has the capacity to do so without it affecting her income, mental health, etc. My heart goes out to the other passengers – most of whom probably cannot afford to lose two weeks wages and mentally cannot take another two weeks of house arrest.

She is a selfish, spiteful, nasty piece of work – a fully-paid up member of the “me me me” club. One friendly word of advice to her – Karma.

109853 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #401 of 1269 🔗

It’s like “Good Cancer” and “Bad Cancer”.

109785 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mr Dee, 7, #402 of 1269 🔗

She’s a plant, bollocks the lot of it and she works for a certain university in Cardiff so working at home anyway.

109820 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to stefarm, 2, #403 of 1269 🔗

The woman is an idiot. Calling all the people on the flight idiots, and then publicising herself all over the articles with her being easy to find where she works and also on the 2020 electoral rolls so that you can easily find her address. Utter f*cking numpty!

110051 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #404 of 1269 🔗

This happens on Tuesday with a fully identifiable passenger list. As of Saturday they had still not Track’n’Traced them all. Tossers.
Tui has gone into full flagelation mode ,”full enquiry-learn lessons” etc.as though it will have any lasting consequences at all, the flight that is.

110239 ▶▶ alison, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #405 of 1269 🔗

Of all the covid virtue signalling that goes on, I have a special dislike door unnecessary quarantining, recommended to others or undertaken, like this woman sticking herself into quarantine voluntarily. When I came back from a holiday in Italy, 3 separate people hinted I should be self isolating. When my brother and his fiancee arrived in the country in June and moved into same house as me, several people thought I should join their quarantine. One was quite insistent (they didn’t in fact quarantine anyway, they have more sense than that). It takes a really remarkable level of fear or self righteousness to think that the unpleasant experience of 14 days total house arrest should be undertaken needlessly.

109733 Marie R, replying to Marie R, 5, #406 of 1269 🔗

This from the Boycott schools going back. The ignorance and fear is breathtaking. It’s heartening to read the loathing and hatred on that site surpasses what we have on this group

109755 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to Marie R, 9, #407 of 1269 🔗

88k children dead is the fear… well it’s basically impossible to get through to those people, they’re ruined for life, whether with covid or the next big fear.

109758 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Marie R, 7, #408 of 1269 🔗

What stupid people.

109761 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Marie R, 8, #409 of 1269 🔗

I find there is refreshingly little ‘loathing and hatred’ on this site. The odd troll, the odd ‘off-colour’ comment but very little else. Even when people don’t agree they are usually polite. Those social-media comments are from people who are either brainwashed into paralysing fear or they could even be plants. MW

109765 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #410 of 1269 🔗

I agree – have often noticed that. Is there some kind of filter on this site I wonder.

109769 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to bluemoon, #411 of 1269 🔗

Given TY’s views on free speech, I would doubt that. MW

109775 ▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, #412 of 1269 🔗

Of course! Daft question I guess. But TY also possesses a very good BS detector doesn’t he.

109773 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Marie R, 5, #413 of 1269 🔗

Marc Bowen – you need a brain transplant.

6 kids have died with the ‘virus’ (each death a tragedy in its own right, virus or no virus). All were on death’s door before they had it.

Are people on Twitter generally this moronic? Twatter more like. Glad I have nothing to do with it.

110057 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mr Dee, #414 of 1269 🔗

Which information they and the press suppressed for months as it went against Project Fear; fear they think they can switch on and off at will, tossers.

109793 ▶▶ Marie R, replying to Marie R, #415 of 1269 🔗

Meant to say loathing and hatred of bozo etc

109801 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Marie R, #416 of 1269 🔗

Aha! 🙂 MW

109856 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Marie R, 3, #417 of 1269 🔗

I am also an observer of BRUTUS Facebook page so I can understand what they are talking about and feeling.

It’s fairly shocking. This is what I observe:

It is run by hard left labour activists, so I assume they support the TUs objectives and perhaps are pushing that propaganda through this site.

The admins don’t support but stoke fear.

Most people on there are a nervous wreck about kids dying and the deathly scare of covid

A few ask the odd sensible question only to be shouted down by the risk of “just one child dying” type responses.

I am tempted to come out of it but it’s interesting to understand how deeply held these views are.

109862 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Country Mumkin, #418 of 1269 🔗

Crazy Crazy Crazy brainwashed fools posting that. They are totally insane.

109921 ▶▶▶ Marie R, replying to Country Mumkin, #419 of 1269 🔗

Yes I’ve tried to post the odd sensible thing and never get past admin’s censorship

110059 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Country Mumkin, #420 of 1269 🔗

Blimey I thought I was giving myself a hard time listening to beeb Radio news all the time (for research purposes only).

109869 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Marie R, #421 of 1269 🔗

Amazing ignorance.

109745 tonys, replying to tonys, 15, #422 of 1269 🔗

Regarding the Times report declaring everyone who refuses to mask up as psychos, I wonder if there are any other examples from recent history of those with dissident views being treated as mentally deficient by the state and if there are I wonder what became of the regimes that encouraged such practices?

109749 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to tonys, 3, #423 of 1269 🔗

Soviet Russia: I’m not that fond of linking to wackypedia, but it is a reasonable place to start if you want some depressing reading


“Psychopathological mechanisms” of dissent” I wonder if that will be revivied?

109752 PaulC, replying to PaulC, 77, #424 of 1269 🔗

This was sent on to my daughter by a friend:

I have done my best to respect the diverse opinions regarding COVID-19 over these past few months, but I have these nagging questions about it… A friend posted this and it brilliantly sums up my train of thought:

Please just take politics out of it and read this with an open mind using common sense.

Anyone out there who can tell me what our end game is with the covid 19?

What is the magic formula that is going to allow us to sound the all clear?

Is it zero cases?

The only way that will happen is if we just stop testing and stop reporting.

Is it a vaccine?

It took 25 years for a chicken pox vaccine to be developed.

The smallpox inoculation was discovered in 1796 the last known natural case was in 1977.

We have a flu vaccine that is only 40 to 60% effective and less than half of the UK population choose to get one, and roughly 20,000 British will die of the flu or flu complications.

Oh, you’ll mandate it, like other vaccines are mandated in order to attend school, travel to some foreign countries, etc.

We already have a growing number of anti vaxxers refusing proven, tested, well known vaccines that have been administered for decades but aren’t necessarily safe!

Do you really think people will flock to get a fast tracked, quickly tested vaccine, whose long term side effects and overall efficacy are anyone’s best guess?

How long are we going to cancel and postpone and reconsider??

What if October’s numbers are the same as August’s?

You moved football to summer?

What if next March is worse than this one was?

When do we decide quality of life outweighs the risks?

I understand Covid can be deadly or very dangerous for SOME people, but so are peanuts, strawberries, and so is shellfish.

We take risks multiple times a day without a second thought.

We know driving a car can be dangerous, we don’t leave it in the garage.

We know the dangers of smoking, drinking and eating fried foods, we do it anyway.

We speed, we don’t fasten our seatbelts.

Is hugging Gran really more dangerous than rush hour on the motorway?

Is going out with friends after work more risky than 4 day old petrol station sushi?

Or operating a chainsaw?

When and how did we so quickly lose our free will?

Is there a waiver somewhere I can sign that says, “I understand the risks, but I choose a life with Hugs and Smiles, and the Community Fair and Concerts and Parties.”

I understand that there is a minuscule possibility I could die, but I will most likely end up feeling like crap for a few days.

I understand I could possibly pass it to someone else, if I’m not careful, but I can pass any virus onto someone else.

I’m struggling to see where or how this ends.

We either get busy living or we get busy dying.

109759 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PaulC, 10, #425 of 1269 🔗

Hear, hear!!! That should be spread more widely and give those who are still asleep hopefully some food for thought.

109766 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to PaulC, 6, #426 of 1269 🔗

And I bet that persons Social Media feed was swamped with them being called a “granny killer”, “heartless fascist”, “trump supporter”, “racist”, “anti-vaxxer”, etc.

109777 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to PaulC, 4, #427 of 1269 🔗

Excellent. My feelings summed up in a nice neat package.

109779 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to PaulC, 22, #428 of 1269 🔗

The point about there being no clear end game is the $64k question. When the mantra was, flatten the curve, protect the NHS and save lives there was at least an objective and naive as I am I thought that once that objective was reached, which it has been, we could pack up the circus and go home.
I still have to shake myself to realise that despite reaching the original objective this is still going on with no stated objective, no idea of the end game, no idea of what success looks like? When I was managing a team of managers if any of them had been running their teams on that basis they would have been out on their ear (but that never happened, I trained them well!).
We just seem to be in a period of febrile, hysterical headless chicken management waiting for something good to happen, unbelievable, Churchill, Boadicea, Nelson and Montgomery must all being turning in their graves at what is going on.

109818 ▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #429 of 1269 🔗

We CTs think that there is an end game. MW

109956 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #430 of 1269 🔗

When the initial three week lockdown was announced my view was that 3 weeks was about the minimum needed to assess the effectiveness of the policy, but also not far off the maximum before economic problems and social unrest would arise. Nearly six months on, economic disaster is looming, but the lack of social unrest has been a surprise for me. Maybe there’s now a hint of that with “raves” etc.

110063 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Edward, 3, #431 of 1269 🔗

That’s one reason for the masks, it’s a very good way of judging levels of compliance since wearing is both cheap and not onerous on a simple brain yet visible at a glance,

109866 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PaulC, 5, #432 of 1269 🔗

This is genius

Imagine we could get this out to millions as part of a coordinated publicity campaign

109867 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to PaulC, 3, #433 of 1269 🔗

I met a guy back in Early July who nearly cut his hand off with a chainsaw, he did it the day before I met him. I saw the wounds on his friends mobile. He wasn’t that bothered strangely enough. He had had a few beers mind you.

109756 peter, replying to peter, 2, #434 of 1269 🔗

That’s more than five thousand, more like fifty https://youtu.be/Zc9wk7P8IqE

109768 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to peter, 3, #435 of 1269 🔗

Errr, that’s not London.
I was there and estimated under 3 or 4 thousand.

The area is 12,000 sq metres. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_city_squares_by_size
Subtract some for the fountains and column and you are left with under 10,000. Those at the front were tightly packed but at the edges quite a lot of space between people. Even with uniform packing at 1 person per square metre 10,000 would be the max.

109783 ▶▶▶ Xantilor, replying to Andy Riley, 6, #436 of 1269 🔗

Yes, I was there too, and 5,000 sounds more like what I saw than 35,000.

In the Standard, I read this, and it’s just not true: Metropolitan Police Commander Bas Javid said officers had been working “tirelessly”…“Our interaction and intervention saw the majority of people gathered disperse,” he said.

I saw small groups of policemen, all wearing masks, standing about. They certainly weren’t moving people on or attempting to disperse them.

110105 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Xantilor, #437 of 1269 🔗

A WPC wandered past me muttering through her mask at people that they needed to disperse. That was at the top of the steps, by that monstrosity that looks a bit like a drone stuck in an ice cream cone. Not long after 1pm.

110778 ▶▶▶ H K, replying to Andy Riley, #438 of 1269 🔗

I was there and i’d say there were easily over 10k. If someone said it was 30K, I wouldn’t dismiss it. I was nearer to the front and it was rammed. I say there were around 4 people to 1 square meter as to got nearer to the front

109767 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #439 of 1269 🔗

We know that Boris is very well versed in the classics but does he know his Bible?

I’m asking this because I suddenly thought of the Book of Daniel and the story of Belshazzar’s feast where at the height of the party, a hand appears and writes the following on the wall:


The King calls for his advisers and wise men but no-one is able to decipher what the message means. In desperation, Daniel is called and he manages to interpret what it means:

MENE, MENE – God has numbered your days

TEKEL – You have been weighed on the balances and found wanting

(U)PARSIN – Your kingdom will be divided between the Medes and Persians

Now if we translate this to 2020, here’s my take:

MENE, MENE – Boris’ days are numbered and there’s a coup brewing

TEKEL – You have been weighed on the balances and found wanting

(U)PARSIN – The Kingdom will be divided by rioting and unrest once furlough ends and more redundancies and bankruptcies are announced.

109780 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #440 of 1269 🔗

Boris’ use of Latin always reminds me of Del Boy from Only Fools and Horses use of French, which he used to impress the “Neanderthals at the Nags Head.”

109784 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JohnB, 2, #441 of 1269 🔗

Well said.Boris more and more reminds me of Honorius who was emperor when Rome was sacked in 410AD

109790 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to JohnB, 3, #442 of 1269 🔗

Mangetout skipper

109807 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to stefarm, 3, #443 of 1269 🔗

Bouillabaisse mon ami

109826 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to JohnB, #444 of 1269 🔗


110118 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JohnB, 1, #445 of 1269 🔗

Mon aéroglisseur est plein d’anguilles.

109840 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to JohnB, 10, #446 of 1269 🔗

Del: One of my most favouritist meals is Duck à l’Orange, but I don’t know how to say that in French.
Rodney: It’s canard.
Del: You can say that again bruv!
Rodney: No the French word for duck is canard.
Del: Is it? I thought that was something to do with the QE2?
Rodney: No that’s Cunard. They’re the ones with the boats and what have you. The French for duck is canard.
Del: Right lovely jubbly. Right, so how do the French say à l’Orange then?
Rodney: A l’Orange!
Del: What, the same as we do?
Rodney: Yes
Del: Oh dear, it’s a pity they don’t use more of our words innit eh?

110058 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Sarigan, 5, #447 of 1269 🔗

two scouse housewifes talking
hw1 What does your husband do?
hw2 He works for Cunard
hw1 My husband works hard too

110067 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sarigan, 1, #448 of 1269 🔗

Which US President actually said “the French don’t have a word for ‘entrepreneur’, ” a Bush I think.

110126 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to karenovirus, 2, #449 of 1269 🔗

They use our word for “rendezvous” too. So shameless…

110278 ▶▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to karenovirus, #450 of 1269 🔗

Dubya – those were the days!

109781 smurfs, replying to smurfs, 10, #451 of 1269 🔗

There is a change to the Irish furlough scheme coming into effect tomorrow, 1st Sept.

Up until now employers have been passing on the government wage subsidy direct to employees free of deductions. From tomorrow employers will be required to deduct income and other payroll taxes from the handout.

This will mean less money going into the hands of recipients which is bound to have a negative impact on discretionary spend and drive yet another nail into our already weakened economy.

Worse still, and something I am certain many recipients are oblivious of, is income tax is still due on the gross subsidy received to date. This could amount to €1,800 for each individual who has been on the scheme from the outset.

The economic shock of this reality will surely focus minds on the dire situation we face and hopefully awaken many from their slumber, or may be not?

110128 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to smurfs, #452 of 1269 🔗

I hope so. People need to wake up. Everywhere.

110148 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to smurfs, 2, #453 of 1269 🔗

Total madness. Just like the idiots floating “tax rises”.

We need people with money in their hands and the confidence to spend it.

109786 Kate, 7, #454 of 1269 🔗


Robert Kennedy’s speech at the Berlin demo

109788 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 12, #455 of 1269 🔗

As us unmasked folk are being labelled Sociopaths and Psychopaths, it’s always nice to have a Top 10 so I’ve got the one below shows the list of jobs with the highest rates of psychopathy:

1. CEO
2. Lawyer
3. Media (TV/Radio)
4. Salesperson
5. Surgeon
6. Journalist
7. Police Officer
8. Clergy Person
9. Chef
10. Civil Servant

Quite a lots of these professions here involved in labeling us as Sociopaths and Psychopaths!

109817 ▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to JohnB, 1, #456 of 1269 🔗

I think that is a very impressive list and concur with it ! . There is some fine differentiating for instance orthopaedic surgeons in my experience are 50 % psycho along with cardiothoracic surgeons whereas eye surgeons tend to be more normal.

The top of the list would be combining media and medics though… step forward Dr Hillary.

109847 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to JohnB, #457 of 1269 🔗

I came out as very low on the chart. Shame no question about masks:

110134 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sarigan, #458 of 1269 🔗

Um. I scored 13. And they say:

Psychopathy possible

You answered this quiz consistent with people who have moderately elevated scores on measures of psychopathy and psychopathic behavior. This may suggest a tendency for some psychopathic behaviors, especially when such behaviors result in your personal gain.

109861 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JohnB, 4, #459 of 1269 🔗

Surprised not to see politicians on that list

109888 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, #460 of 1269 🔗

Think they’re included under the Civil Servant branch, plus most of them are Lawyers and covered there too.

109896 ▶▶▶ smurfs, replying to Julian, 3, #461 of 1269 🔗

No. 5 misspelt – missing a ‘t’

109955 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to JohnB, #462 of 1269 🔗

Politician?? Or are they all former lawyers, journalists, media, salesmen, no need to answer that…

110070 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JohnB, #463 of 1269 🔗

Almost matches the list professions from which you used to have find someone to vouch for you when applying for a passport.
Teachers needs adding, psychos most of them.

109795 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 9, #464 of 1269 🔗


Up to 90 per cent of people tested positive may not be carrying enough of it to infect anyone else it seems!

109797 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #465 of 1269 🔗

Noticed it was buried quite far down the page as well.

109835 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Charlie Blue, #466 of 1269 🔗

Does that mean that it’s finally over?

109844 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Country Mumkin, #467 of 1269 🔗

Unlikely while zero covid is the aim. “Researchers say the solution is even more widespread use of rapid tests with an adjusted threshold to hone in on the most infectious people with COVID-19”.

109860 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 13, #468 of 1269 🔗

Zero Covid is not the aim

There is no public health related aim

The aims are to stay in power, to cover up mistakes and to save political reputations, to have easy control over a fearful population, to appear as if you are gloriously saving the day

109868 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Julian, #469 of 1269 🔗

But if it is the stated aim, it provides cover for exactly the motives you describe.

109919 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #470 of 1269 🔗

Indeed, and it’s perfect cover as it cannot be achieved, ever, so we will always be at war with Eastasia

109864 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Country Mumkin, 9, #471 of 1269 🔗

The problem is that it was never ‘ there’ in the first place – in the sense of an extraordinarily dangerous epidemic. It was a pretty ordinary seasonal infection with some distinctive characteristics.

The whole narrative has been about making it live up to its billing.

Pick any circulating virus, test for particular strands of RNA, and you will see the presence of of an infective agent in the community. Thus the ‘zero Covid’ narrative is total bollocks suited to keeping the Scary Fairy flying.

109875 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #472 of 1269 🔗

In the real world it’s never even started.

In the mad, mad world we live in at the moment it’s not over until Bill Gates, WEF et al say it is.

109796 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #473 of 1269 🔗

Bit off-topic I know but I keep seeing comments about UBI appearing on threads.

It was tried in Finland on a small scale and the results were not as good as expected so no surprise there and it was not a cure-all as it was much touted to be in the foreign press either:


Form the report’s conclusion:

“However, contrary to a common misunderstanding, the experiment did not study universal basic income , but partial basic income targeted to young and long-term unemployed.”

“There are still important take-home messages. The experiment demonstrates that the problems that young and long-term unemployed individuals experience in finding work do not relate to bureaucracy or financial incentives. Similarly, the results show that financial incentives for employment and reduction of benevolent bureaucracy should not be used as selling points for basic income . The results also call into question the punitive workfare policies based on the deterrent effect of unemployment services.”

The bits in bold is what those who are pro-UBI are selling it on over here (everyone gets money regardless, more money means people work less so more people go into employment, less bureaucracy) but that wasn’t the purpose of it .

Bit like the current use of PCR tests then.

110140 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #474 of 1269 🔗

UBI doesn’t work and can’t work. Necessarily it causes inflation without a corresponding massive tax hike on the other side. And that’s before you get into the small issue of people getting to self consume their own hours as well as the output from the labour hours of others. That is unsustainable socially. And why all such income schemes fails.

However we have to acknowledge that the private sector is systemically incapable of providing everybody with a job – because it is so productive. And yet everybody need to be able to contribute their labour hours to society.

What we need is an alternative job offer, which the furlough scheme trialed the way for. At the living wage (no more!) for 7 hours per day, paid for directly from the Ways and Means Account at the Bank of England. The 7 hours goes onto the “volunteer list” to be used locally by social enterprises and the like improving the local area in whatever ways people think is an appropriate use of time. (A paid version of community service is you like).

That puts money into a local area, which is spent with local businesses who then hire people *off the volunteer list*. It acts as an auto-stabiliser bootstrapping local businesses from the Covid flames.

109798 Tee Ell, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #475 of 1269 🔗

I’m going to be pedantic here because I’d be cynical in the same way with the “non-sceptical” reporting.

“In spite of all the hysterical talk of a ‘second wave’ this Winter and rising cases in England, the number of people who died in Britain on Sunday was precisely one.”

I’d argue it should be “the number of deaths reported in Britain from the coronavirus on Sunday was precisely one. This is meaningless, since we know that reports are always lower on a Sunday. This makes the average per day for this week X.”

109811 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tee Ell, 6, #476 of 1269 🔗

I think that you’re right to be wary of using dodgy figures to slant data.

The real story is the manifest and stable disappearance of the virus in the real, infective/illness sense. The rest is statistical noise.

110194 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to RickH, #477 of 1269 🔗

Completely agree.

109799 Kate, replying to Kate, 1, #478 of 1269 🔗


This covid event is a globalist coup. Please stop discussing what Boris can or cannot do – none of this is up to him. Prof Chossudovsky takes a while to make his points, but his analysis is accurate. You cannot shut down the whole global economy if you are only acting at a nation state level.

109833 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Kate, 6, #479 of 1269 🔗

Boris can’t open up the global economy, but what in this narrative explains why he couldn’t do so here? I’m not letting him off the hook!

109839 ▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Charlie Blue, #480 of 1269 🔗

Erm…taking orders?

109851 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Kate, 1, #481 of 1269 🔗

Under threat of what penalty? Not rejecting the theory, just trying to understand it.

109994 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #482 of 1269 🔗

I think there was probably an imminent global financial collapse at the end of last year/beginning of this year. Because the financial system cannot drop interest rates further or increase quantitative easing to save the global financial system, they are collapsing the global economy in a controlled way and blaming it on coronavirus. That is why the virus will not disappear, even when there are no deaths. The banks can be recapitalised on all the bankruptcies, the top 1% are still rich, enter police state to control the dissatisfaction of all those newly impoverished, and the population can be told it was all unavoidable because they have been rescued from a deadly virus.- so be grateful!

110142 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Kate, 3, #483 of 1269 🔗

The global economy hasn’t been shut down. It’s functioning perfectly well almost everywhere except Western Europe and the Americas. It’s only a series of terrified, cowardly national governments preventing the rest of it from opening up.

109800 Andy Riley, replying to Andy Riley, 11, #484 of 1269 🔗

Most amused yesterday by a friend puffing e-cigarette smoke through his mask. Has anyone done the research to show whether this is a valid demonstration?

I’m thinking of getting a few folk together wearing masks and puffing away outside big stores and train stations. No need to say anything – show not tell.

109832 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Andy Riley, 3, #485 of 1269 🔗

That’s a brilliant idea. Absolutely brilliant.

110161 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Andy Riley, 1, #486 of 1269 🔗

There’s a video on the Swiss Research site – link from Friday’s blog page. A professor is using vaping to show the ineffectiveness of masks. It might not be a bad thing to do!

110503 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Andy Riley, #487 of 1269 🔗

Despite wearing a mask, I had to cough after chocolate powder flew through the air at my workplace.
OK, so I do not wear it regulation, but tied at the side so it does not sit flush on my cheek as I cannot breathe otherwise.

109802 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 8, #488 of 1269 🔗

Location: The jacuzzi room in a bunker deep under No 10 Downing Street
Date: Classified

Dictator. ” What’s our strategy”

Dan “On day one we announce a policy”

Dic “Got it, what policy?”

Dan ” Doesn’t really matter because on day two we contradict it”

Dic ” With you so far, what next”

Dan “On day three we announce something that’s in between day one and day two, along with all the exemptions”

Dic “Not sure will that work”

Dan “Keep up, we’ve been doing it since March and it’s worked so far

Dic “And”

Dan ” We keep going ad infinitum, the BBC are onboard”

Dic ” What happens in October when the brown stuff hits the fan”

Dan “Oh come on, I thought you went to public school, we dump it all on Matt and say it was his fault

Dic ” Works for me”

109815 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Cecil B, #489 of 1269 🔗

For Dan read Dom?

109828 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Strange Days, 1, #490 of 1269 🔗

As PP once said ‘ Quod scripsi, scripsi’

110052 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Strange Days, 1, #491 of 1269 🔗

my kids used to like watching Dick and Dom in da bungalow on childrens TV .. I wondered what happened to them

109803 Richard Pinch, replying to Richard Pinch, 4, #492 of 1269 🔗

This could lead to universities being the care homes of any second wave of Covid,” general secretary Jo Grady said in an interview with the Observer.

This is very far from what the preprint on which the UCU is basing its rather extreme policy. That paper bases its estimate of 50,000 deaths in an “unmitigated” scenario on two general assumptions: firstly that students mix among themselves in a way that means that they will all get infected, and secondly that they mix with the general population in a way that means that the rest of the population will be exposed to infection too. The estimated deaths are not within the student population — 20 per 100,000 in that age range — but in the population at large, so the university halls of residence are never going to be the “care homes” of the winter, and Dr Grady must know that perfectly well.

The first assumption, although too high, is not absurd. We may reasonably assume that students mix sufficiently that they represent an “unmitigated” population. Current experiences suggests that the herd immunity threshold for an unmitigated population is in the range 20-33%. (For whatever reason, earlier estimates of 80% have not been seen).

The second is incorrect. During term, students will mix far less with the general population, although it is fair to say that university staff (teaching and support) will be pretty heavily exposed. “Town” not so much. The major risk factor here is going to be at the end of term when students disperse, and the 50,000 estimate is based on students going back to family homes where they will infect people all over the country in different, more vulnerable, age ranges. But this is wrong. Only those who are infectious at the end of term will infect the population at large — ie those who have been infected within a five day period very late in the outbreak among the student body. This will be a small proportion of students as a whole, even if we take a crude 5 out of 70 days, that’s 7%, and the outbreak will be well past its peak by December, so very likely much less, possibly as low as 1%.

So there are two factors here, compounding to a low estimate of say 50 or a high estimate of 500. So the likely number of deaths caused by re-opening universities is not fifty thousand but a number between one thousand down to one hundred, in the absence of any mitigating factors.

This is of course a back-of-an-envelope calculation, as in deed is the preprint on which UCU are relying. But it suggests what the mitigation should be: a programme of testing and isolation in a specific time period towards the end of term.

109852 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard Pinch, 2, #493 of 1269 🔗

The real kicker is provided by just a quick look at the CEBM graphs on recent deaths up to age 39.

You’ll have a job to find any even with a magnifying glass. Corollary : serious illness will also be exceedingly rare.

Then – let’s take that 1 in 7000 figure for students coming to university with an infection.

I think – even allowing for variation in estimates – the dangers may be justifiably typified as ‘ vanishingly small’. 

109885 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Richard Pinch, 5, #494 of 1269 🔗

What you’ve done Richard is a simple reality test to see if what is being suggested is likely to be realistic. I wonder if anybody thought to do this early on in this whole sorry affair.

109974 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #495 of 1269 🔗

Thanks, but I suspect that. the 50,000 figure was chosen by UCU for reasons other than an impartial desire for objective scientific truth …

109805 RickH, replying to RickH, 12, #496 of 1269 🔗

I think that the reader expressing dismay at the various cultish activities hitching a wagon to the Covid protest has a very good point.

If I was designing the government propaganda, one of my main tactics would be to confuse the issue with scams about 5G et.etc. The seeding of demonstrations with pretend nut-jobs is a pretty well-known tactic.

109814 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to RickH, 3, #497 of 1269 🔗

‘Gone on for decades. Us jaded old lefties can spot them a mile off. I would say though that, given what is being done to us currently, careful investigation of what might appear to be scams might repay us. MW

109845 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 1, #498 of 1269 🔗

You’re right, Miriam – but there’s the usual (quite sincere) suspects and then the planted nut-job ‘actors’.

109824 mjr, replying to mjr, 1, #499 of 1269 🔗

This Morning .. ITV ..now (10.30 ish) interesting discussion with journos Andrew Neill and India Knight.
Couple of interesting points

  • children will be sent home from school for “coughing” over other kids .
  • social media “influencers” apparently being paid £thousands by the government to promote track and trace.

Both people a little on the bedwetting side but some valid points

109973 ▶▶ Edward, replying to mjr, #500 of 1269 🔗

I couldn’t actually name any social media influencers (except there was one called Zoella I remember hearing about a while ago).

110037 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Edward, 1, #501 of 1269 🔗

i think the lad that won Celeb masterchef came from a vlogging background. However Edward, you are probably an old fart like me. Apparently these vloggers have huge audiences amongst the yoof, and these are the people that dont listen to the MSM for their government propaganda . We know that these people earn lots of money for “product placement” and have the same effect as when Delia recommended Cranberries. And after all, the government is trying to sell us a pup so it just another dodgy product placement

109825 RickH, replying to RickH, 2, #502 of 1269 🔗

Tim Harford’s article on risk in the Financial Times is interesting. But I would pick him up on one source of evidence :

” There is some data available about confirmed infections in each local area, but the most reliable information is national, thanks to the Office for National Statistics, which has been testing a representative sample of the English population as a whole”

He’s not wrong – but, for some time, I’ve been concerned at the estimates of Covid incidence obtained through this survey, since they rest on the assumption that PCR ‘positives’ represent real viral infection.

I think that we have sufficient information now to know that the assumption isn’t valid – and thus that estimates so derived will likely overstate the presence of real infection in the population.

109834 ▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 1, #503 of 1269 🔗

.. and I’ve just checked back to yesterday’s posts, where I asked about this question mark and the need to correct for inaccuracy in the PCR process.

Thanks to skipper and others who commented about the proportion of tests that were symptomatic.

109842 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 2, #504 of 1269 🔗

.. which means that a reasonable estimate of infection is about 1 in 7000 in the community.

… now – start translating that into actual risk of infection for any given individual going about their normal business!

109850 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to RickH, 2, #505 of 1269 🔗

Tim Harford’s ‘More or Less’ programme on BBC Radio 4 has been pretty good in the past. I avoid the BBC as much as possible at the moment so I’m not sure of his track record on CV19. Wearing my tinfoil hat, I think, in that he has a regular BBC gig he is unlikely to stray too far off-message. MW

110032 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, 3, #506 of 1269 🔗

Hi MW.. i do listen to More or Less on a regular basis and he is quite good on Covid and often questions the stats that the BBC itself is giving out. So it is not fair to say that he is always toeing the party line

110298 ▶▶▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to mjr, 1, #507 of 1269 🔗

How does ‘unlikely to stray too far off-message’ equate to ‘always toeing the party line.’? Please read what I wrote, rather than misquoting me!

As Naom Chomsky once said to Andrew Marr, “I’m not saying your self censoring. I’m sure you believe everything you’re saying. But what I’m saying is that if you believe something different, you wouldn’t be sitting where you’re sitting.” MW

109951 ▶▶ wendy, replying to RickH, 3, #508 of 1269 🔗

Perhaps there is hope in USA as they are only going to test people if they have symptoms. CDC has issued new guidelines on testing. And Sweden only test is person has symptoms. Both countries say admissions to hospital are the best way of monitoring the problem. Let’s hope anyway.

109837 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #509 of 1269 🔗

‘Our service was dead’: NHS worker under investigation after claiming coronavirus is ‘a load of b*****ks’ and admitting she did ‘f*** all’ during the pandemic


109838 Jonathan Smith, replying to Jonathan Smith, 1, #510 of 1269 🔗

Tony Heller (who generally seems good with stats) has put out a video on his channel which purports to show video of Saturday’s demonstration. Its here:


at 4.44.

It appears to show hundreds of thousands of attendees, but 1) it doesn’t tally with eyewitness testimony 2) Accompanying text mentions Trafalgar Square but it doesn’t look like the boulevards that feed the Square 3) There is a preponderance of flags with symbols that I can’t relate to a UK context. 4) There’s an almighty din like the noise that usually goes with left wing protests.

Can anyone identify the actual event shown?

I’d be dead chuffed if any anti lockdown protest had attracted that number, but I’m concerned that those putting out this stuff might be trying to discredit us. It’s bad enough giving the tinfoil hat wearing speakers top billing. We just don’t need nutty arguments and lies to counter lockdown (il) logic.

109855 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Jonathan Smith, 1, #511 of 1269 🔗
110000 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #512 of 1269 🔗

Thanks Barney. That looks about right.

109859 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Jonathan Smith, 1, #513 of 1269 🔗

Agreed – I posted a correction further down with some calculations that show it can’t be Trafalgar square. Plus, I live in London and that is not London. (Poland? They have a red and white flag). Much as I like and respect Tony H, on this one I know he is wrong. The error is in the caption attached to the video.

110003 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Andy Riley, #514 of 1269 🔗

Thank you.

109843 Tyneside Tigress, #515 of 1269 🔗

Any thoughts on this puff piece – nicely timed given the government’s announcement of the consultation three days ago, one of the five areas of which was ‘promoting vaccines’.


The author, who is apparently on the trial, is a travel writer!

109848 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #516 of 1269 🔗

Care UK employee Louise Hampton

‘Our service was dead’: NHS worker under investigation after claiming coronavirus is ‘a load of b*****ks’ and admitting she did ‘f*** all’ during the pandemic

109904 ▶▶ Marie R, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #517 of 1269 🔗

Look at the best rated comments, all sceptical, 15,000+ of them

109849 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 20, #518 of 1269 🔗

Well done Waitrose you have just lost a customer for life!!!!

Thought Waitrose have done away with door guards, but this morning he was back challenging customers not wearing masks. Told me it was the Law to wear a mask. The same masked Manager that assisted me 2 weeks ago when I was harassed by the door guard for not wearing a mask overheard the incident this morning. His only excuse is that it was the door guards first day on the job.

So Waitrose do you not train people before putting them in a position to harass customers and chase them away from your shops?

It is now very clear to me that the only reason Waitrose have door guards is to manage mask compliance on behalf of the government.

All the other supermarkets have done away with the guards and are not harassing their customers.

109854 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Victoria, 3, #519 of 1269 🔗

I feel your pain. I had the same a few months ago. They have been despicable throughout.

109857 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to Victoria, 6, #520 of 1269 🔗

Bad luck! Waitrose seems to have a patchy track record throughout this and it’s hard to understand where they get off treating people like this. In fairness, our local Morrison’s has a mask-goon handing out masks to those without. You have to say ‘exempt’ to get past him. Some do. . . . . MW

109877 ▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to Victoria, 1, #521 of 1269 🔗

I too thought that they’d got rid of the bouncers on the door, there was not one to be seen when I went to my local W last week. Even with them, I’ve not had a problem being bare faced, no comment at all…..so far. Will report back when I’ve been tomorrow.

109894 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Victoria, 2, #522 of 1269 🔗

Waitrose SUCK

109962 ▶▶ davews, replying to Victoria, 5, #523 of 1269 🔗

Lovely chat this morning in Tesco with the lady in the bakery and then again at the till, both un-masked. Made some comment that it didn’t feel like a bank holiday and she replied ‘it’s madness’. Dangling exempt lanyard seems to work wonders in Tesco, pity Waitrose seems not so.

110054 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to davews, 2, #524 of 1269 🔗

Same with Tesco here. Lovely lady on checkout who thinks it’s all a load of nonsense. Never bothered in there being maskless, even without a lanyard.

109858 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 8, #525 of 1269 🔗

Hospitals Overwhelmed by Flu Patients Are Treating Them in Tents

2020? NO!! January 2018. No LD, no SD, no crashed economy, no masks…..


ERs are Overwhelmed with Flu Patients

2020? NO!! August 2019. No LD, no SD, no crashed economy, no masks…..


109873 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to T. Prince, 3, #526 of 1269 🔗

And I bet they didn’t bang on about “cases” either …

109934 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to kh1485, 2, #527 of 1269 🔗

Or ‘Granny killers’!

109882 ▶▶ MaxPower, replying to T. Prince, 1, #528 of 1269 🔗

Great find!

109932 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to MaxPower, #529 of 1269 🔗

This, about that grease ball Fauci is my favourite! As we keep saying here, it ISN’T about a virus….


109964 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to T. Prince, 4, #530 of 1269 🔗

This is one of my main worries – now that (almost) the entire western world has locked down in response to an infectious disease, it will set a precedent for locking down in response to a bad winter flu season.

109863 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #531 of 1269 🔗

Not sure if this has been reported already? Simon Dolan KBF seems to be putting up some sort of skeptics programme on You Tube;
You Tube is an area of IT where I start to get a bit lost, but I thought I would mention it and see what you think?

109884 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to Steve Martindale, #532 of 1269 🔗

I think the videos will get banned or hidden behind content warnings.

110117 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Mark II, #533 of 1269 🔗

Other streaming sites exist

109870 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #534 of 1269 🔗


“The map highlights that if the spread of the disease is not mitigated, the most affected regions are likely to be the remote periphery with relatively old populations, which in some countries are also less likely to have enough access to healthcare. The first months of fighting the pandemic in Europe showed that the unprecedented interventions were mostly successful but we are nowhere close to herd immunity even in the most affected areas , and the possibility of the second wave cannot be excluded.

This article don’t think we have reached HI and tries to geographically describe which regions with old populations will be affected next.

109879 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to swedenborg, 7, #535 of 1269 🔗

“showed that the unprecedented interventions were mostly successful”

I’m actually coming more to the thinking that the interventions were far more harmful than even most of us on here could have anticipated.

Personally, my primary objections initially were based on the easily predicted damage to the economy and therefore long term health impacts due to loss of livelihoods, depression, poverty etc etc as well as the (previously) illegal withdrawal of our freedoms and liberties.

However, the more we learned, the more it appears the negative health impacts were almost immediate as it became clear the government was even more inept than possibly thought as they withdrew almost all other healthcare provision and cut off support networks from the most needy (both old and young), isolated the sick in ill-prepared care homes and refused help to those most at risk of dying. This was compounded by early medical panic in sticking so many on ventilators where we have (I think?) later learned that this probably increased the mortality rather than helped.

109911 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Margaret, 18, #537 of 1269 🔗

He’s actually introducing fines for wearing one. This is mind blowing.

109914 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #538 of 1269 🔗

His speech to the Italian parliament is worth a look

110204 ▶▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Julian, 1, #539 of 1269 🔗

Wow what a speech!

110163 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #540 of 1269 🔗

I approve. I call it payback.

110496 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Charlie Blue, #541 of 1269 🔗

Necessary, I think. Habits form permanently and very quickly. If they lifted the mask mandate tomorrow, I’m quite sure many people would carry on doing it anyway, either because it wouldn’t occur to them not to, or because they would still feel social pressure to do it. Ban it, impose a fine and most people would consciously stop.

109940 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Margaret, 2, #542 of 1269 🔗

I hope the tide turns towards a greater respect for liberty not towards more arbitrary punishment doled out by those who should have been removed from office and under investigation for their part in these crimes against humanity.

110156 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Margaret, 2, #543 of 1269 🔗

This is Vittorio Sgarbi, who made this excoriating speech to the Italian Parliament in the early days:
[Not – yet – taken down by Youtube]
Sceptic of the week, but I suspect he’s seen as a wild card without much of a following.

109878 tallandbald, replying to tallandbald, 3, #544 of 1269 🔗

Trip to local AskItalia restaurant this weekend somewhat spoilt by ridiculous Covid crap so my custom will be taken elsewhere until they stop!
I think their recruitment adverts should include “applicants need to have impressive core strength and elastic hamstrings”. The ridiculous shenanigans they had the serving girls go through was laughable to watch.
Each one delivered the drinks and stood 5ft from the table and bent 90 degrees at the waist to slide the tray onto the table and stood silent while we dealt out our own drinks before handing the tray back to her. A heavy tray of drinks held at arms length while bent with straight legs is impressive 🙂
Same thing happened with the cutlery. A tray of cutlery, put together by the serving girl (no gloves) delivered gymnast style to the table, dealt out by us, cutlery tray given back to the girl for her to use for the next table (no sanitising of hands throughout) Ridiculous!

109886 ▶▶ tallandbald, replying to tallandbald, 2, #545 of 1269 🔗

Even more ridiculous was when the food was brought out the girls delivered it normal style even bending over us to place the hot dishes perfectly square to our cutlery.

109949 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to tallandbald, 2, #546 of 1269 🔗

Yes – I had to laugh a few weeks ago when we were out eating lunch in a pretty good general environment.

But the server who brought the food was wearing a perspex visor, which – obviously – directed any microscopic droplets downwards onto the food and the table.

Yer’ve godda larff.

109954 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to tallandbald, #547 of 1269 🔗

Reminds me of a meal I had in a pub a few weeks ago. Manager no mask but both waitresses did. The girls sanitised their hands multiple times, before putting your cutlery on the table, again when drinks arrived, then again when the food arrived. Most amusing was when the little sachets of salt and pepper blew onto the floor (patio doors wide open to get good air circulation…). Picked them off the floor to discard, sanitised hands, gave me another couple. She must have sanitised her hands twenty times just for me. When I left I got confused by the one way markings but the manager just smiled and opened the door for me.

109924 ▶▶ Coronamoana, replying to tallandbald, 4, #548 of 1269 🔗

I have started asking them how the drinks originally got on the tray. They don’t know what to say to that and you can see the horror in their eyes. I then smile, they look relieved and smile back and say “I know”.

109960 ▶▶▶ tallandbald, replying to Coronamoana, 4, #549 of 1269 🔗

I actually said “please don’t do this on my account, i know you are not plague ridden..” but she smiles sweetly and said “I just have to follow the rules.”

It’s obvious from all the above replies that these stupid rules come from management who have no idea or who don’t care how much it is alienating the customers.

109930 ▶▶ alw, replying to tallandbald, 2, #550 of 1269 🔗

We were taken to Nando’s, not our choice. Shenanigans the same. We had to take our drinks from the tray as they weren’t allowed to touch…how did the glasses get on tray. Cutlery dumped in front of us. Had to ask for plates which they touched. Service appalling.

Mitchells and Butler pub close to us also has ridiculous rules, yet other local pubs ignoring.

109959 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to tallandbald, 6, #551 of 1269 🔗

We stopped going to Ask Italian after they served us a £6.95 slice of apple tart that was the size of a postage stamp. And I mean that almost literally.

110115 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Poppy, 1, #552 of 1269 🔗

I feel that the so-called modern cuisine (I don’t know the proper name for it) is an insult to the cooking of our female-kind. They draw lines on the plate and call it “gravy”. The last time this happened, I adopted a bad fake Yorkshire accent and demanded a proper gravy-boat of gravy, not a few lines on the plate.

Any restaurant that does this ceases to be troubled by me forthwith. People are desperate for business now, and it is definitely a buyers market for everything except the supermarkets, most of whom are busily racking up the prices of everything as fast as they can.

109883 Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #553 of 1269 🔗

Today the desolate deserted Holyrood is surrounded by police sentries and riot fencing/barricades are protecting entrances and windows. The reason. Extinction Rebellion might make a protest.

For comparison with the weakly Met police officers seen at Trafalger Sq over the weekend the police on Holyrood lookout are not wearing masks.

109887 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 1, #554 of 1269 🔗

The Stinkscion Bellion crew will be fully nappied-up

109893 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Two-Six, #555 of 1269 🔗

Muffle muffle! when do we want it? Muffle!

109891 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Basics, 1, #556 of 1269 🔗

I’m not sure if it was deliberate, but your spelling of “weakly” was inspired!

109907 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to RichardJames, 1, #557 of 1269 🔗

Thanks, all my own work!

109889 RichardJames, replying to RichardJames, 19, #558 of 1269 🔗

I am slightly depressed, but not surprised, by encouragement of the divide-and-rule strategy by those on this website, who I would have thought would be more commonsensical. Mr Icke has suffered what you have suffered in terms of persecution and ridicule many times over.

He at least knows how to handle the crowds and the persecution better, and it’s people like him who helped organise your march for freedom. ALL are welcome to our side ; whining about “conspiracy theorists” just plays the authority’s game for them, and the fact that they circled with the helicopter to try and drown him out just shows that the government regards him and Piers Corbyn (whose politics I loathe, but whom I respect beyond measure for his courage) as being much more of a risk to the lockdown and excessive policing than you are.

We have got to stick together on this one. ALL are welcome to our side.

109900 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to RichardJames, 1, #559 of 1269 🔗

Icke has always been about the money.

109933 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JohnB, 4, #560 of 1269 🔗

I really disagree with that, Icke isn’t about the money. He is all about trying to save humanity from a very obvious danger, the rapacious global fascist totalitarian war machine that is rapidly developing it’s grip on the planet.

109937 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Two-Six, 3, #561 of 1269 🔗

Yeah, that’s how confidence tricksters get you.

109943 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JohnB, 2, #562 of 1269 🔗

I haven’t watched him for a while, he is just too scary for me, what he is talking about is real, it’s happening, nearly everything he has been talking about for the last 20 years has happened as he said it would. I knew all this was coming a long time ago, I know how it works, I know what behind the Corona Project.

I have read nearly all of his books and seen him “live” a few times too. I know where Icke is coming from better than most people. Even if you don’t agree with a few bits of what he writes about most of it is solid, factual and very well researched.

109999 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Two-Six, 2, #563 of 1269 🔗

Rightly or wrongly it doesn’t matter what he says or whether he’s right about anything. He is toxic in terms of credibility (all the way back to that Wogan interview which I remember watching). The people we need to align with are Heneghan and Tegnell. Scientists and academics not goalkeepers who believe in shape-shifting reptiles.

110043 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Achilles, 1, #564 of 1269 🔗

He has monetized all his followers too. His following was estimated to be worth $50 million on Youtube and Facebook the last time I heard.

110096 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JohnB, #565 of 1269 🔗

I am sorry, that is either the remark of an utter troll or a fool. There are no signs of any degree of wealth in his life.

110136 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to JohnB, 1, #566 of 1269 🔗

he isnt on youtube, they closed his account I think he is off facebook too

110094 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Achilles, 3, #567 of 1269 🔗

Firstly, do you know that his total wealth amounts to a small flat in the Isle of Wight? No mansions, no big cars. Secondly, you have clearly forgotten the second Wogan interview, which showed a slightly more polite and shamed-faced Wogan having to admit that Mr Icke had regained a considerable amount of credibility.

His behaviour on the first Wogan interview was due (as he himself said) to the intense and life-changing nature of the revelations which came to him on his sabbatical in Peru. You might consider cutting the guy some slack, especially as I followed in his footsteps (metaphorically) and found, to my shock, that almost everything he has spoken about is real and true.

At least he and his followers are very much more on your side than the government is.

110104 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to RichardJames, 1, #568 of 1269 🔗

My point simply is it doesn’t matter what you or I think of him. To the populace as a whole he is a crank. We can have no credibility while he is in the conversation and without credibility we are nothing.

110138 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to RichardJames, 2, #569 of 1269 🔗

Indeed, the guy has to make a living somehow. He isn’t rich. He lost a fortune recently when he was banned from Australia. He had a whole tour planned and the Australian government cancelled his visa while he was boarding the plane.

110125 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ gina, replying to Achilles, 2, #570 of 1269 🔗

Who is this ‘we’ you mention? I had no idea there was an organised, unified, campaigning body based round this Lockdown Sceptics site. Lead me to it.
Not too sure scientists and academics are necessarily more credible than any one else – given where some of them have led us so far.

110237 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to gina, 1, #571 of 1269 🔗

Well how about the information section of this website which explicitly states it is not for 5G conspiracy theorists and those of that ilk? As I say you are welcome to your views and there are plenty of websites for the conspiracy theory angle but this isn’t one.

110149 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Achilles, 6, #572 of 1269 🔗

I do support David Icke, he is great. When he get too old to do his thing it will be a great loss to the world. He is unique. That said I do agree that any whiff of conspiracy theory stuff should be steered away from especially at public events. The speakers at the demo in London could have been way better but then who wants to risk a £10000 fine for organising a demo or public event?

Organising ANYTNING like this is VERBOTEN.

So on you go and be critical of the choice of speakers and the lack of a PA and all that but don’t forget that everybody there was committing an offence.

At least it happened.

110030 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Two-Six, 2, #573 of 1269 🔗

Yep, when you start following leads and research yourself there is some scary shit out there.

Fall Cabal was the scariest thing I’d watched since the original Alien movie.

PS – Your badges go good through the washing machine – keep forgetting to take them off my t-shirt and through the wash they go followed by a complaint from the wife I’ll owe her a new washing machine soon.

110019 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Two-Six, 5, #574 of 1269 🔗


At least he’s stuck by whatever he said he believes in (doesn’t matter if you agree or don’t with his beliefs) through everything that has been thrown at him over many years, not changed his mind or backtracked or tried to hide but stood firm to his principles.

Pity we don’t have more people with principles like that around.

110048 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, #575 of 1269 🔗

I’d stick by what I believe too if i was earning the money he does from his legion of followers.

109906 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to RichardJames, 7, #576 of 1269 🔗

I’m afraid I have to disagree. There are plenty of other websites covering the more outre theories. The website itself explains that it is not for 5G conspiracy theorists which is one of the reasons I was attracted to it. Like it or not David Icke is widely perceived as a crank and aligning with him and his ilk will just leave you blowing in the wind. Reasoned and evidential debate is the only way we can effect change. That’s what makes this site different, so far.

109938 ▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Achilles, 4, #577 of 1269 🔗

There is a significant amount of solid, scientific (so sad that the word has become debased) work that shows how wrong the lockdown/mask strategy is and how little there is that people should fear, excepting those in poor health. This is the core message, diluting it with anything else is unhelpful at best.

109908 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RichardJames, 5, #578 of 1269 🔗

I don’t think in general anyone is saying people are not unwelcome. I think we’re discussing what tactics may be best to win the argument immediately in front of us, which is to try and get the country back to normal. I think it’s perfectly legitimate to have that debate, and I would personally try to separate the question of whether certain views are valid from the question of what messages will sell our case best – assuming we can agree on a common core of positions, which I think we can.

109946 ▶▶ RickH, replying to RichardJames, 5, #579 of 1269 🔗

I am worried about diverting attention from the key issues that unite the broadest coalition :

  1. The actual data about the severity of Covid in context
  2. The unjustified nature of the curtailment of civil liberties – and the demonstrable uselessness of many measures.

I do not want to be diverted into debates about Climate Change, 5G, World Government – or whatever other hobby horse ties itself to the hitching post.

People can hold views on any such subject, but they should not be allowed to contaminate the clarity of the key argument. They are a distraction.

110049 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 2, #580 of 1269 🔗

Very true.

110147 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to RickH, 1, #581 of 1269 🔗

‘they should not be allowed?’

110002 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to RichardJames, 5, #582 of 1269 🔗

Well said, Richard. It is deeply shameful that P Corbyn is facing a £10 k fine for allegedly organising a demonstration campaigning for return of civil rights. Think of the other demonstrations this summer that have been permitted without consequences. Will there be crowdfunding for his defence/ any fines he might be required to? Will the FSU be involved? Does anyone know as I’m sure many on this site would contribute. Where are the advocates of civil liberties now?

110050 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Telpin, #583 of 1269 🔗

Bollocks! Icke is in this for himself.

110151 ▶▶▶ gina, replying to Telpin, 2, #584 of 1269 🔗

There is a crowd fund section for Piers Corbyn’s legal fees on the StandupX website. You have to look for it though.

109895 steve, replying to steve, 4, #585 of 1269 🔗

Head of the WHO says even after a vaccine is developed we can’t go back to the way it was before.
According to the WHO coronabollox 19 can be used as a precursor to effect change for global warming.

Fox News tV just ran a big story on this.

109976 ▶▶ MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG, replying to steve, 2, #586 of 1269 🔗

This is a brilliant video. Whatever the politics, Tucker Carlson nails it. I strongly recommend it. Also on YouTube (for now):



109902 Fiat, 7, #587 of 1269 🔗

Interesting passage on use of gas-masks during WW2 from Stuart Hylton’s 2001 book, “Careless Talk” (aka Their Darkest Hour”):

“There was at first strong social pressure to carry your gas-mask with you at all times; you could be refused admission to places of entertainment or find yourself lectured by complete strangers…. But as the months drew on without any sign of gas attack, the practice lapsed. Women began using their gas-mask cases as substitute handbags; small boys found them invaluable as football goal-posts. Among young men, carrying a gas-mask was eventually seen as a virtual denial of one’s virility.”

The front cover of Hylton’s 2010 edition has a picture taken in 1941 of two ladies wearing gas-masks trying (and failing) to have a conversation. The picture was contrived for propaganda purposes.

109903 VeryCrossChris, replying to VeryCrossChris, 23, #588 of 1269 🔗

I was up in Greenwich yesterday, with my daughter and her boyfriend, and was amazed by the number of people wearing masks in the street. We visited a pizza restaurant for lunch, then a pub later in the afternoon and had to wait outside both until a space inside became available, and it was deemed ‘safe’ for us to enter. Far from finding this in the least bit inconvenient or annoying, my daughter actually said that she thought the new system of table service in the pub was preferable, and made for a better experience.

From what I witnessed yesterday, the level of acceptance among the younger generation seems to be high, and I was shocked. They’ve adapted to and adopted the new restrictions without a whimper, and seem both happy with and unquestioning of the situation. There’s no push-back and not a hint of resentment about how their lives are being affected.

Given all that, it’s no wonder that the government is having such an easy time of it with regard to the measures being taken. Any government adviser strolling through Blackheath or Greenwich yesterday would, I’m sure, have been completely satisfied with what they saw. People were out in good numbers in the streets and parks, with perhaps 40% pointlessly wearing masks outside. Restaurants and pubs were busy, and everyone appeared happy and relaxed.

With essentially no ‘real world’ resistance to the anti-Covid steps being taken, why on earth would the authorities feel any pressure to relent? My fear is that those of us who support sites like this one have already been marginalised. The mainstream media is able to ridicule the dissenters at will, and write-off any protests there may be as being organised by the ‘lunatic fringe’.

The sad but obvious truth is that the ‘new normal’ isn’t a problem for those in their 20s and 30s; they’re compliant and accepting. So what on earth are the rest of us meant to do? Grin and bear it? Sit at home seething? Cut ourselves off and hope the madness goes away? I’m in my late 50s, and find myself mired in furious frustration, and that’s very counter-productive. But it’s what I’ve been driven to by the over-riding feeling of powerlessness that this situation has engendered.

I feel like I’m an unwilling passenger locked into an unstoppable, runaway train powered by nonsensical misinformation. Johnson and Hancock are at the controls of the engine, wilfully ignoring any signal telling them to slow down or stop. The train has enormous momentum now, and is packed to the rafters with jubilant politicians, compliant BBC employees, ranks of blinkered newsprint journalists and most of the nation’s under 40s, all intent on reaching Reset Junction as soon as possible.

Please, can somebody throw the points ahead before it’s too late?

109975 ▶▶ Julian, replying to VeryCrossChris, 8, #589 of 1269 🔗

I think the tide is turning, slowly, and will continue to do so. But it could take years. Keep buggering on, don’t let the win, and take comfort from those close friends and family who share your views, and do what you can to persuade others and pressure organisations so that they are aware not everyone is going along with it.

Just had an anecdotal report from Czechia, from an acquaintance, and things seem very much more on the road to normality there. So it’s possible. Human social instinct is strong.

111347 ▶▶▶ VeryCrossChris, replying to Julian, #590 of 1269 🔗

I really hope you’re right, Julian… but the force is strong among the social media-governed masses. Most people follow trends, and when the trend-setters start demanding the wearing of masks, their followers follow. Image – and how you’re perceived by your peers – is all-important these days, which is as sad as it is dangerous.

110028 ▶▶ Kate, replying to VeryCrossChris, 11, #591 of 1269 🔗

It is also my impression that the young do not question this. And I think the reason is that they have had no direct experience of injustice or oppression in their young lives. Schools today do not use corporal punishment and are encouraging egalitarian places. How are they going to recognise threats to their autonomy? Older people especially those men who went to boarding school recognise the signs of abuse of power. Our young are very inexperienced.

110119 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Kate, 6, #592 of 1269 🔗

The young are more ‘on board’ as they saturate themselves in social media and therefore have been exposed to more propoganda/peer pressure. Anyone who can switch off the news, Facebook and Twitter was always going to fare better.

111349 ▶▶▶▶ VeryCrossChris, replying to Tom Blackburn, #593 of 1269 🔗

I quite agree, Tom!

110578 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Kate, 2, #594 of 1269 🔗

Agree. Although I have had problems with people my age and older with regards to Covid propaganda, I’ve been amazed at how the millienials just fell for all this hook, line and sinker.

I come from a country that was under a dictatorship and went to an all girls’ school where I was bullied. Hence why I have a distrust of conformity and peer pressure whereas with a lot of millenials I’ve noticed that they’re conformist and more susceptible to peer pressure due to social media, cliques and perhaps a lack of will from parents and teachers to discipline them and teach them a few home truths about the realities of life.

111342 ▶▶▶▶ VeryCrossChris, replying to Bart Simpson, #595 of 1269 🔗

You’re right, Bart, peer pressure and the need to be ‘seen’ to be doing and thinking the right things, is incredibly powerful nowadays. Social media dominates the lives of the young (and many of the not so young, I’m sad to say!), which is a terrible state of affairs. They are being influenced and ‘controlled’ by group think… it’s like modern-day indoctrination. There’s no tolerance of independent thought that doesn’t follow the PC line, which is a desperately limiting situation.

111353 ▶▶▶ VeryCrossChris, replying to Kate, #596 of 1269 🔗

Good points, Kate. I agree that the young are very inexperienced today. Lots of them have had it very easy in so many respects, now they all have a ‘voice’ in a way that those in my generation never did. There exists today the ability to shout-down, dominate and shame those who you don’t agree with, more strongly/easily/quickly than ever before. We live in an age of knee-jerk reaction which, by and large, is rarely a good thing.

110080 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to VeryCrossChris, 7, #597 of 1269 🔗

I completely agree that the young have accepted restrictions easily without complaint.
They cannot see through the lies, they believe it’s a killer virus.
When I tried to explain how bad lockdown is and masks are useless and dehumanising they don’t want to hear.

110132 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to VeryCrossChris, 9, #598 of 1269 🔗

I am in my thirties. I do not comply.

110133 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to VeryCrossChris, 8, #599 of 1269 🔗

At the risk of getting into a class debate, Greenwich and blackheath are seen as a more middle class area, when I drove through kidbrooke a couple of weeks ago (my old stomping ground) which is perceived as a more working class area I saw no masks and wouldn’t have known anything different.

Bit of a class divide? Virtue signalling v I don’t give a fuck

110182 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, 2, #600 of 1269 🔗

Probably why I don’t give a fuck, I can imagine the yummy mummies walking around blackheath wearing their floral mask that matches their ensemble.

110172 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to VeryCrossChris, 7, #601 of 1269 🔗

My step-daughter and boyfriend, both in their late 20s, both asthmatic and both mask wearers. Have told them they are exempt, but both don’t want to be ‘shamed’.

Also, that generation have not grown up with the threat of communism or were taught about fascism at school, let alone that these ideologies are the two sides of one coin. All they’ve got is social media and whichever echo chamber they are in. Plus they haven’t been taught to question anything.

110518 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to VeryCrossChris, 3, #602 of 1269 🔗

I agree with you. I watched the protest in Berlin all weekend, it was mainly people above 45. Of course there are also younger people, but the majority was middle class, ordinary people.

110723 ▶▶ matt, replying to VeryCrossChris, #603 of 1269 🔗

I live in the area and was in both Greenwich town centre and Blackheath village today. I agree, the level of mask compliance – both where required and outside – is depressing.

But if you step off the main drag, life is almost normal (or at least trying to be). The pubs that are doing well are the pubs that are paying lip service and just carrying on. The centre of Greenwich has always been for tourists and even when I lived on Greenwich church street, I always lived my life outside Greenwich town centre. And if you pay attention to the extent to which people are paying attention to social distancing when passing each other on the street, it’s nil, or nearly so. The young have a new fad. They’ll play with it for a while and then (with apologies to you as the father of a daughter) they’ll remember that it’s more fun to go out and enjoy themselves and shag a random person they meet in a bar. Never fear.

109905 Awkward Git, 9, #604 of 1269 🔗

If the Wall Street Journal is reporting this it must be the tide goings lack:


Rest behind a paywall but basically “experts” saying lockdowns pointless and don’t work so a “news ay of thinking” is needed.

My cynical parts ays this means vaccines and so on, not freedom back.

109915 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 3, #605 of 1269 🔗

Sunday Night Live in St Petersburg


110022 ▶▶ Kate, replying to 2 pence, 3, #606 of 1269 🔗

No oppressive social distancing or masks imposed by a totalitarian dictatorship then.

110597 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to 2 pence, 2, #607 of 1269 🔗

Looks like the next best destination for live music fans. Perhaps certain countries will start marketing themselves as havens for musicians.

109916 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #608 of 1269 🔗

Nitazoxanide ,another anti parasitical drug to be tried in the USHas some broadbased antiviral action as below
Has even been used in influenza RCT study
“Treatment with nitazoxanide 600 mg twice daily for 5 days was associated with a reduction of the duration of symptoms in participants with acute uncomplicated influenza.” In this Lancet study 2014

109920 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #609 of 1269 🔗

Brazil should shortly disclose the results of a phase 3 trial of antiparasitic/antiviral nitazoxanide.
The feedback from a municipality that has used it suggests that it will be successful

109917 Coronamoana, replying to Coronamoana, 23, #610 of 1269 🔗

Enough is enough. How much longer can the government continue with these restrictions when the figures are so low? And why are so many people blind to the facts? I’m feeling frustrated and despairing at this relentless assault on our daily lives.

109982 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Coronamoana, 7, #611 of 1269 🔗

In answer to your first question – as long as they are told to by higher powers or we topple them.

Answer to the second question – that’s just the masses in general. Even in Roman times they and bread and circuses to keep the masses amused and under control. Nowadays we have the dole and TV like Britain’s Got No Talent, Love Island Nobodies and thickness, the only way is can we shoot them essex orange people, Celebrity anything to keep me on TV and so on.

Coming back to my first answer – when enough of the masses wake up the powers are toppled very quickly, in a matter of weeks normally after long slow motion downward spiral then something sets off a spark and bang, it’s all gone.

Recent example is the fall of Communist Russia and the Berlin wall but plenty more in history.

Personally, I think we are hitting the bottom of the slow motion fall and things are ready for a spark to ignite it all.

109925 NickR, replying to NickR, 4, #612 of 1269 🔗

I was at the protest on Saturday. If we’d all sat around & thought how can we best undermine the rational argument that the lockdown was over the top, should have been ended sooner & that we need to get back to work, then we couldn’t have done a better job than stage Saturday’s protest.
The numbers were no more than 5,000. Look at a map, the area of Trafalgar Square occupied was about 70m x 50m. To have got 35,000 in there we’d have been 10/m2. Imagine 10 people in a phone box! There was room to walk about.
The speakers who weren’t bonkers were stupefyingly boring. There was a surgeon who probably had a story to tell but spent 20 minutes telling us about his qualifications. I left after that.
Oddly, Piers Corbyn sounded the sanest of the bunch!
The tragedy is that I don’t see anyone much from the world of business, medicine or politics standing up.

109927 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to NickR, 4, #613 of 1269 🔗

So the BBC scored an own goal by deciding to pretend it never happened. Thanks BBC – you’ve done something useful, at last.

110098 ▶▶ gina, replying to NickR, 3, #614 of 1269 🔗

Why don’t you see if you can personally rally some of the people you deem to be suitable, as you think other people’s efforts don’t quite cut it.
I was there too,not sure about the numbers but happy to see as many as were there.
To physically show up and model normal, unfearful sociability was the point of the exercise for me.
Agree most of the speakers didn’t row my boat but I’ve never been on a demo where I agreed with everything said or done.

109926 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #615 of 1269 🔗

Wonder if it’s worth putting a complaint in about the MPs lack of responses to our correspondence?


“What the Commissioner can look into
If you have evidence that a named MP has broken the rules set out in paragraphs 11 to 18 of the House of Commons Code of Conduct , the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards may be able to look into it.”

To me they’ve broken quite a few of the standards:

On various webpages about Parliamentary standards and the associated Code of Conduct:

damage to the reputation and integrity of the House of Commons as a whole, or of its Members generally.”

“Members have a general duty to act in the interests of the nation as a whole; and a special duty to their constituents.”


Holders of public office are accountable for their decisions and actions to the public and must submit themselves to whatever scrutiny is appropriate to their office.


“Holders of public office should be as open as possible about all the decisions and actions that they take. They should give reasons for their decisions and restrict information only when the wider public interest clearly demands.”

“Holders of public office should take decisions solely in terms of the public interest.”

So derogating and give away responsibility and oversight of the law making process of this country, destroying the fabric of society, destroying social cohesion and turning people and families against each other, splitting up families, refusing dying and vulnerable people visits from their loved ones for months on end “for their own good”, allowing people to die alone without comfort or human contact, destroying the economy, destroying the livelihoods of millions of people, destroying businesses, racking up billions of Pounds of debt for future generations to pay off, of dragging millions of people into penury, debt and hunger, both MPs and Ministers refusing to answer constituent’s/the electorate’s correspondence and questions is:

– in the public interest?
– in the interest of the nation as a whole?
– is not causing significant damage to the reputation and integrity of the house?
– being as open as possible?
– giving reasons for the decisions?
– submitting to the scrutiny appropriate to the office?
– helping to make laws?
– scrutinising the work of Government

109928 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #616 of 1269 🔗

Anyone interested then here is the contact details:

Contact details for the Commissioner’s office

Postal Address:
Kathryn Stone OBE
Office of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards
House of Commons
London SW1A 0AA

Telephone number: 0207 219 3738
Email: standardscommissioner@parliament.uk

I’ll give it a week to see if my MP answers yesterday’s letter then put one in I thing against my MP, Boris, Handwork, Hunt and anyone else who is in parliament I have written to and never had an acknowledgement from including those on the 1922 Committee.

110323 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Awkward Git, #617 of 1269 🔗

Government generally have 20 working days to reply to correspondence so they aren’t (yet) outwith their target if you only sent the letter yesterday.

110452 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #618 of 1269 🔗

But I’ve written them about 6 over the past 5 months so they are way past 20 days.

109929 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #619 of 1269 🔗

So, I am Professor Sarah Gilbert, and my expertise is in running vaccine trials. I am extremely busy trying to find ‘the one’, but I have found time to pontificate and have ventured into the climate change bandwagon:


Not gaining much traction in the comments section – top post starts with ‘Borlocks’. Stick to the knitting Sarah – or is it another diversion from trials that are perhaps not going to plan?

109945 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 11, #620 of 1269 🔗

I think she and her business partner stand to make several million from their shares in the company if they get the job.

Interestingly, what she says about international air travel seems contrary to what Sunetra Gupta was saying. As I understand it, Gupta thinks that international air travel is a good thing, because it keeps the whole world’s immune system ‘on the same page’, making it less likely that a completely new virus will emerge to which we have no immunity at all.

109968 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #621 of 1269 🔗

Barney, yes, they stand to make shed loads if the disease is ‘endemic’ (requiring repeat vaccines) rather than ‘pandemic’. What is fascinating though, is that the business partner is Adrian Hill, head of The Jenner, and husband of Sunetra Gupta. So what, exactly is going on? There have been rumours of a rift between Gilbert and Hill. No suggestion of a rift (divorce!) between Hill and Gupta, though. There is a puff piece in The Telegraph today from a freelance travel writer who is on the trial – reports that it is going well (she would, wouldn’t she) – a matter of days after the government consultation launched on introducing an untried and untested, in the conventional description of the words, vaccine, backed by a promotional programme to sign up the plebs.

109978 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #622 of 1269 🔗

The Wikipedia page for Hill says:
Spouse: Sunetra Gupta (divorced)…

109985 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #623 of 1269 🔗

All part of the intricate incestuous web that links all of them.

109989 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #624 of 1269 🔗

Indeed. Gupta sued Neil Ferguson’s boss for slander etc. etc.!

110012 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #625 of 1269 🔗

Hell hath no fury like a scientist scorned!

110013 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #626 of 1269 🔗

Oh yes, all their kids are in the same schools too!

109983 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #627 of 1269 🔗

No suggestion of a rift (divorce!) between Hill and Gupta, though

According to the Guardian, “Corrections and clarifications” 8 Jun 2020

An interview with Prof Sunetra Gupta said she was married to Adrian Hill, the director of Oxford’s Jenner Institute. This is no longer the case

109986 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #628 of 1269 🔗

Thanks, didn’t know that!

109935 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #629 of 1269 🔗


Short video Corona demnstration Berlin.Woman on the ground.No gentlemen in the Berlin police.

109952 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 4, #630 of 1269 🔗

Welcome back to the brownshirts in black.

109971 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to swedenborg, 4, #631 of 1269 🔗

She was lying on the ground screaming pinned down by 3 police men at the ‘top’ and 1 at her legs. That police man put a cloth on her back then hit her twice with his fist on the section where her spine and neck get together. She will definitely have sustained bad injuries to her neck and back.

How horrific, how inhuman!

110018 ▶▶ mjr, replying to swedenborg, 4, #632 of 1269 🔗

gestapo tactics ……. of course the MSM will NEVER show this example of a person being held down and beaten by the police – as they didnt with the antipodean police assaults.. I keep trying to think why they wont show it but just cant put my finger on what is different.

110085 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to swedenborg, 1, #633 of 1269 🔗

Any German speakers who might be able to describe the Twitter dialogue? It looks like the low-life who assaulted her could be identified by numbers on his vest. The police are the same the world over – they look like yobs, dress like yobs, act like yobs and think (if at all) like yobs.

110531 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Tenchy, 1, #634 of 1269 🔗

All police involved have been identified by their numbers, a system which I think was brought in in the late 80’s/early 90’s after Hafenstrasse demos in Hamburg and others. They will def be brought to justice.

110534 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Silke David, #635 of 1269 🔗

Good. Low-life, bottom-feeding scum.

109948 NickR, replying to NickR, 3, #636 of 1269 🔗

On mature reflection I suppose Icke & co & no more bonkers than Fergusson!

109950 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 5, #637 of 1269 🔗

That’s f.ing low bar! 🙂

109953 Beth, replying to Beth, #638 of 1269 🔗

Links to article regarding the Consultation Document (re changes to Human Medicines Regulations) which was quietly issued by the Government on Friday 28th August 2020.

First link is to the article on the author’s web site with no ads, second one is the same article hosted on another site but interspersed with ads.



Well worth reading.

109970 ▶▶ James H, replying to Beth, 1, #639 of 1269 🔗

Sorry! Just seen your post.
Exactly right, though. John Ward nails it for me.

109972 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Beth, 1, #640 of 1269 🔗

As far as I’m aware as a non prescribing nurse I could not administer any medication if it’s unlicensed.

109957 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #641 of 1269 🔗

Will the disjunction twixt case numbers and deaths ever register with the public should the disjunction continue?

I fear they’ll always be a firm belief deaths will rocket again, yea, even worse than before – as long as cases do not go in decline.

Perhaps if there wasn’t a single death recorded for three months – hmm, perhaps then people might begin asking should they worry so much about the number of cases?. But I think they’ll always be Covid deaths occurring – they will never be totally eliminated.

I’m just musing. What do I know? – nowt.

109965 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #642 of 1269 🔗

A bit rhetorical, that opening question, Ned.

My personal bet is that a fair proportion would eat shit if they were told it was cream.

What do I know? – nowt”

… you mean a bit like Jonson and Fergusson? Oh, c’mon – you can do better than that. 🙂

110008 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #643 of 1269 🔗

They won’t be Covid deaths (Covid-19 is the name of the pandemic, not the name of the virus), however there will always be coronavirus deaths. Why? Because coronaviruses have been around longer than we know (the human coronaviruses were first identified and isolated in the 1960s) and are implicated in respiratory disease EVERY year during what we call ‘the flu season’ – the influenza virus (there are two forms which are responsible for human flu), together with coronaviruses are rhinoviruses ALL contribute to deaths EVERY year.

The dismaying aspect of this is knowing that the government can keep the panic and ‘second wave’ threat going as a result of this. Coronaviruses are there, every year!


110186 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Ned of the Hills, #644 of 1269 🔗

Yes it’s safe to assume there will always be a few Covid-19 deaths forever. It will be interesting to see what the numbers are. Probably 1 or 2 a day but it might drop to 1/10 of that in some summers.

110340 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #645 of 1269 🔗

“Will the disjunction twixt case numbers and deaths ever register with the public should the disjunction continue?”

I don’t think so. I am the sole sceptic in a family of lockdown supporters. I tried to point out the fact that there are no deaths, just “cases” and explained the failings of the PCR test in determining ‘cases’. It went in one ear and out the other.

109967 davews, replying to davews, 8, #646 of 1269 🔗

I see the media are going all tongs on the Greek flight and lack of masks from a woman who just seems to want publicity. Second item about the 5p plastic bag charge but nobody points out the hypocricy of all these masks now being thrown away.

109977 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to davews, 5, #647 of 1269 🔗

The woman is part of the admin blob at Cardiff Met university (formerly Cardiff Institute of Higher Education), I think. No agenda there, then!

110014 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #648 of 1269 🔗

You have to thick to attend there, and even thicker to work there

110099 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #649 of 1269 🔗

And she’s opted for a self-appointed fortnight of self-isolation so she doesn’t have to start work next week, after an extended holiday since March.

Sack her.

110006 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to davews, 10, #650 of 1269 🔗

I’ve previously posted about a calculation I did of 1 person in 4 disposing of 1 ‘surgical’ mask a day will produce around 64 TONS of waste in the UK A DAY! That’s before empty sanitizer bottles, used hand wipes etc etc.


110060 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to DavidC, 6, #651 of 1269 🔗

Just when the plastics thing was gaining momentum, now this..

110029 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to davews, #652 of 1269 🔗

These questions came to my mind from what I heard.

Is this the only flight with passengers on it who were subsequently found to have Covid? If so it is a very low percentage.

Can it be assumed they were infected on the plane?

If so. Were they wearing masks? If they were they haven’t proved to have done much good.

According to the report I heard it was sort of implied that people were infected on the plane by others not waring masks.

Not such a good story if it is a case of people getting on a plane who were already infected and didn’t wear a mask or did wear a mask but no one else was infected.

Anyone know the details?

110563 ▶▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Ned of the Hills, #653 of 1269 🔗

I doubt we shall ever know.I suspect it would be found that masks were irrelevant and that could never be published.

109969 James H, replying to James H, 2, #654 of 1269 🔗

Came across this today. My apologies if it has been flagged up before: I really don’t like the tone of it. We are being taken for fools.
(My apologies: I’ve just realised that this has already been flagged-up!)
Came across this today. My apologies if it has been flagged up before: I really don’t like the tone of it. We are being taken for fools.

110181 ▶▶ Humanity First, replying to James H, 4, #655 of 1269 🔗

Very very concerning.

This is the first sentence under the Introduction:

COVID-19 is the biggest threat this country has faced in peacetime history, which is why the UK government is working to a scientifically led, step-by-step action plan for tackling the pandemic – taking the right measures at the right time.”

Surely this cannot stand up to any factual or legal scrutiny and should be challenged?

Especially as they want to introduce some of the following drastic legislative changes:

1.Authorise the supply of an unlicensed medicinal product

2.Extend the scope of civil immunity to “the company placing an unlicensed medicine such as a vaccine on the market with the approval of the licensing authority”

3.Ensure that the vaccines and treatments used in response to certain specific types of public health threat, such as a COVID-19 vaccine, can be promoted as part of national vaccination or treatment campaigns.

110230 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Humanity First, 2, #656 of 1269 🔗

This is beyond concerning — it’s verging on criminal. And I’m sure our government is proposing something similar. In addition to the points you’ve pulled out, I’d add this one:

There is a possibility that both the flu vaccine and the COVID-19 vaccine will be delivered at the same time

Putting aside the fact that any new vaccine can’t possibly have been properly safety tested (none of the current vaccines have been properly safety tested), I very much doubt any of these vaccine manufacturers are testing their Covid vaccine alongside the flu vaccine. I’d say there is a very strong possibility that administering these 2 vaccines at the same time could be very problematic.

110608 ▶▶▶▶ Humanity First, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #657 of 1269 🔗

More proof that our governments are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

They justify destroying millions of livelihoods and their own economies because they are so ‘concerned’ about the health and safety of their citizens that they have locked them all up.

Yet they also want to forcibly inject the same citizens with vaccines that obviously will not have been adequately tested for safety and effectiveness.

The level of duplicity and fraud is breathtaking….and also heartbreaking that they seem to be getting away with it with so little opposition.

I think a lot of people in western democracies are maybe too shocked to contemplate what is happening before their very eyes and are in denial that their governments could act in such a way.

It’s like you just found out that your Granny had been stealing your pocket money (but obviously much worse)

109987 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 20, #658 of 1269 🔗

If Piers Corbyn is fined £10,000. and it’s a big “IF” I take it and hope and
believe that “crowdfunding” will raise much more for Piers and other people who stand up against the “Covid collaborators”

110010 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #659 of 1269 🔗

Hope he pleads not guilty, let the state prove it in a show trial

110026 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #660 of 1269 🔗

Covid 19(84) is so intelligent it can count up to 30. If your gathering goes over it launches its deadly death ray. That explains why every single Black Lives Matter protester is now dead.

110277 ▶▶ Badgerman, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #661 of 1269 🔗

He has said he won’t pay so appears prepared to up the ante. I heard him speak on Saturday and he did not come across as the eccentric loon that he is portrayed as in the MSM.

A bad law is no law.

110004 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #662 of 1269 🔗

This poem from 1819 by Percy Shelly after the Peterloo massacre becomes more relevant by the day:

“Stand ye calm and resolute,
Like a forest close and mute,
With folded arms and looks which are
Weapons of unvanquished war.

And if then the tyrants dare,
Let them ride among you there;
Slash, and stab, and maim and hew;
What they like, that let them do.

With folded arms and steady eyes,
And little fear, and less surprise,
Look upon them as they slay,
Till their rage has died away:

Then they will return with shame,
To the place from which they came,
And the blood thus shed will speak
In hot blushes on their cheek:

Rise, like lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number!
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you:
Ye are many—they are few!” [4]

110272 ▶▶ Badgerman, replying to Awkward Git, #663 of 1269 🔗

As quoted by David Icke on Saturday afternoon……..so government approved some would suggest!

110447 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Badgerman, 1, #664 of 1269 🔗

Not taken any notice of what anyone said on Saturday so can plead ignorance or synchronicity or something.

110015 Sally, replying to Sally, 18, #665 of 1269 🔗

There’s an article in today’s Telegraph about how patients, including patients with serious conditions, won’t be able to get an NHS appointment with a consultant until 2022, and then it will be a telephone appointment!


I’m from Australia, and as an outsider I’m curious about why people in the UK aren’t freaking out in panic and standing up every day screaming about this outrage. (I actually don’t know what the situation is here. It could be comparable, but I doubt that it’s as bad as in the UK.) Is everyone (present company excluded, of course) in some kind of lockdown-induced trance?

110023 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sally, 16, #666 of 1269 🔗

Yes, the UK’s population is under a spell. Hopelessly brainwashed.

110027 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sally, 11, #667 of 1269 🔗

You are so right. You can’t get medical care from the NHS or private hospitals as the Government has ‘bought’ the private hospital capacity until October.

Those who would like to stay alive will have to start looking after their own health.

110044 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Victoria, 5, #668 of 1269 🔗

Wouldn’t that qualify you for a rebate from paying health insurance?

The service was not available so either pay less premium going forward or give us some money back.

Be interesting to see if this is taken up

110072 ▶▶▶ Suitejb, replying to Victoria, 2, #669 of 1269 🔗

It’s not always the case. A friend had a sudden problem with his eye back in July. He went to his optician who immediately sent him to the nearest hospital eye clinic 30 miles away. He was seen quickly and the consultant there and then arranged for him to have an operation 5 days later as a day case. He spoke very highly of the care he received.
However we can’t help but wonder whether he had such good service because there were few other patients around.

110093 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 2, #670 of 1269 🔗

I don’t think that exaggeration is helpful. I’m a frequent flyer in terms of hospital services, and I’m aware of the backlog that has been created by closing down services to make way for an epidemic that didn’t happen. Hospitals were definitely working under capacity for too long. All that is true, and I think that the consequences will be dire in terms of delay when compared with mortality due to Covid.

But, since the beginning of this in late March, I have been into hospital five or six times, and have received the attention and care that I would have expected in normal circumstances.

The major problem is delay in diagnosis and unplanned treatment, plus the cock-up in dealing with Care Homes – and the Tory government should never be forgiven for creating this backlog and mess.

110045 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sally, 7, #671 of 1269 🔗

Mass collective hysteria, which is global (but not universal)

110065 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to Sally, 4, #672 of 1269 🔗

It is scandalous. I think many people are so brainwashed that they think it is still dangerous to go to hospital.

British politicians like critisising Russian regime but in Russia GPs have been back in clinics for months, planned operations stopped for a very short time and health services have been back to normal for a while now.

110586 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to JulieR, #673 of 1269 🔗

Well, after what happened in care homes, I think it’s dangerous for us oldies to get near the NHS, but I know that’s not what you mean.

110129 ▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Sally, 4, #674 of 1269 🔗

We don’t have an NHS any more. The nonsense “Protect the NHS” was nothing of the sort: it was to protect doctors and nurses.

110722 ▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Miss Owl, #675 of 1269 🔗

And to protect the Government from the negative headlines that would have arisen had the NHS been overwhelmed. To be honest, I think that was the main reason for the ‘lockdown’ – a Conservative government that didn’t want to risk being being portrayed as not caring about ‘our’ NHS.

110016 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #676 of 1269 🔗

Dennis Prager: Lockdowns Are the GREATEST MISTAKE in World History


110025 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 12, #677 of 1269 🔗

Who needs reasons when you’ve got COVID…

“Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece suit on hire purchase in a range of fucking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pissing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourselves. Choose your future. Choose life… But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin’ else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you’ve got heroin COVID?” – Mark Renton, Trainspotting

110393 ▶▶ peter, replying to Nobody2020, #678 of 1269 🔗

What an odious cunt Irvine Welsh is nowadays, turned into the wettest fart after getting married. All he does is champion tranny sturgeon and the SNP on skitter. Total embarrassment.

110033 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #679 of 1269 🔗

Reading the DM article from Toby’s link, I was struck by these two comments by Mutt Wankock:

In an interview with ITV News, Mr Hancock said: ‘We’re doing a huge amount of planning to make sure that the NHS is prepared and can cope to make sure that people can have as much freedom to enjoy Christmas, to enjoy winter, as possible.’
But when asked whether there will be special rules to allow more people to visit one another over Christmas, Mr Hancock suggested it could lead to a rise in the number of people catching the virus.
‘The danger of a rule like that is that it increases the spread of the disease,’ he said.
‘I mean, there are an awful lot of things I’d love to be able to do, but the risk of them is that we see an uptick in the disease. Hence, we’ve had to take decisions that you wouldn’t ever want to.’

And with reference to the 2.4 million cancer patients, Wankock says this:

Health Secretary Matt Hancock said yesterday he believed that a backlog of cancer patients awaiting treatment would clear ‘within a matter of months.’

Cleared in how many months? 36, 95?

 ….. Mr Hancock said: ‘We’ve had to take action right across the NHS to make sure that we deal with Covid, and it was very important when there were a lot of new cases of Covid that people weren’t made more at risk because of treatments, especially for cancer.
‘But now it’s incredibly important for people to come forward.’
He refused to a put a ‘precise date’ on the number the backlog would be cleared by, because he said that ‘depends on how much Covid there is’.

He’s really enjoying this, isn’t he?!

110042 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #680 of 1269 🔗

Sadly, yes he is enjoying it far too much.

110046 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #681 of 1269 🔗

I guess that a long history of fabrication and lying inures you to any possible consequences from further dishonesty and stupidity.

The idea that there is some ‘resurgence’ waiting around the corner is based on err ….. absolutely nothing in terms of evidence. In fact, the actual evidence is in the contrary direction.

Of course … maybe he is really as stupid as he looks.

110056 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #682 of 1269 🔗

Sadly some of the backlog will clear as people die from lack of treatment and some of those reaching the top of the list will move quickly through the system since it will be too late for them to benefit from anything other than palliative care

110154 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #683 of 1269 🔗

How can they clear the backlog in a matter of months if we’re supposedly heading for a second winter-long lockdown, as he claims? Utter pratt.

110390 ▶▶ peter, replying to Cheezilla, #684 of 1269 🔗

He’s getting commission on the bodybags hence the smile.

110036 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #685 of 1269 🔗

I see Pratt Hankook’s taking a rest to and they’ve wheeled out George Useless.

The Big Announcement “10p on plastics bags”

110220 ▶▶ Steve, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #686 of 1269 🔗

Which usually cost 15 to 20p these days anyway. Not seen a 5p bag in ages.

110053 Country Mumkin, 4, #687 of 1269 🔗

Sounds amazing.

I also detest Purple Parking. Have not enjoyed in the past!

110061 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #688 of 1269 🔗

I cannot see why the fuss on people not wearing a mask on an plane heading to Cardiff except to keep the farce going.

The legislation states:

These Regulations apply—

in England;
in English airspace to a person who is on board an aircraft which took off from, or is to land at, a place in England;

unless you have the exemption etc.

So unless the airline makes it a condition of carriage then masks or face coverings are only required when you are in English airspace in an aircraft that has just taken off from or is going to land in England.

Doesn’t this end officially at the 12 mile limit like at sea?

Aircraft transitting English airspace are not covered by the law as this is international airspace and laws apply.

Isn’t Cardiff in Wales? I do believe it was last time I looked at a map.

110548 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Awkward Git, #689 of 1269 🔗

Oh, for heavens sake, don’t confuse us with facts.

110648 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Polemon2, #690 of 1269 🔗

Oh sorry, forgot them and logic are not allowed anymore in the post covid new normal utopia.

110066 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 41, #691 of 1269 🔗

The government trailed it as 10k fines for illegal raves

The reality is that it is nothing of the kind

It is in fact the removal of the right to demonstrate against the government

How was this done?

Did parliament debate the biggest ever curtailment of civil liberties in the UK? No

It was achieved by Statutory Instrument. A device created to make minor amendments to Road Traffic legislation without referring back to parliament

From now on only ‘lawful’ demonstrations will be allowed. Lawful demonstrations will be those that agree with the dictators point of view

I have never listened to anything Piers Corbyn has had to say, or read anything he has written

However, be assured, if they have come for him today, they will be coming for you and your children tomorrow

110106 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Cecil B, 4, #692 of 1269 🔗

If you wear swimwear, bring a beach towel and a picnic and claim you don’t know anybody it would be ok though or presumably spontaneous gatherings in a beach like setting don’t count.

110111 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Nobody2020, 10, #693 of 1269 🔗

We will fight them on the beaches then

110266 ▶▶ Badgerman, replying to Cecil B, 7, #694 of 1269 🔗

Spot on. The use of SIs throughout this whole fiasco has been a total abuse of process to curtail civil liberties hard won over centuries.

110071 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #695 of 1269 🔗

One of the stranger websites I read (but too cheap to pay the $11 a month to read full articles and to comment) has made this prediction after the Japanese PM has now fallen on his sword:

“The best bet is that France’s Macron will be the next to fall.” reason – he’s trying to get the security forces to do another lockdown countrywide.

Then he reckons the following will go soon:

Germany’s Angela Hitler
Canada’s Justin Castro
South Korea’s Moon Jae In
UK’s Boris Johnson – already rumours he’s gone in 6 months in a MSM story
plus others not named.

A supposed French report has concluded the following (not all the conclusions) – will try and find a link to the full report or it’s just rumours and gossip and unverified and unsubstantiated:

Glaring inconsistencies and inexplicable “lacunae” invalidate the official theory
The management of the health “crisis” seems to be a pretext for a totalitarian global takeover
Totalitarian machinations: intention to impose a global cryptocurrency, a vaccine with nano-chips and a subcutaneous electronic chip
There is massive corruption at the heart of WHO and the most unavowable intentions
The pathogenic power of the virus, or  The Prevotella bacterium that caused the cytokine shock
The similarity between the lung damage observed by all emergency doctors and damage caused by the use of an electromagnetic weapon (plus permanent headaches, fatigue, burning sensations in the lungs, thrombosis, and loss of sensitivity to smell and taste, also cited as symptoms of COVID-19)
“Covid-19” is a biological and electromagnetic war supported by a vast “smoke-and-mirrors” operation, which is sowing confusion among the ranks of medical and hospital personnel
“Covid-19” could be the preparation for a much larger-scale joint operation combined with a smokescreen to conceal large-scale tests of the 5G weapon,

Will see what I can dig up.

110075 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #696 of 1269 🔗

Mmmm … this is what bedevils the opposition to totalitarianism.

A just as likely conspiracy is that this is 77th Brigade stuff.

110076 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to RickH, 4, #697 of 1269 🔗

I just like reading weird stuff.

Lots of dross, sometimes a gem but very rare.

If I had any spare cash I’d see if Paddy Power wanted to accepts some bets.

110081 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #698 of 1269 🔗

Fair point, Git (as one to another).

The real problem we’ve got is that ‘mostpeople’ will find it hard to believe the lies and fabrications that we actually do know about; alternative fairy stories just cloud the issue.

110102 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to RickH, 2, #699 of 1269 🔗

I know, I know but it’s amazing what eventually turns up when I follow all these strange links to strange places.

99.9% of it is rubbish but that 0.1% turns out brilliant – a few times I’ve been told “I remember your telling me that a while back, how did you know?”

I’m never surprised by what rubbish and fantasy people will believe as fact without any evidence and what truths they will completely refuse to contemplate no matter how much proof they are given.

Must be something in human nature that wants to believe in fairy tales.

110196 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Awkward Git, #700 of 1269 🔗

What`s the website?

110261 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to 2 pence, 1, #701 of 1269 🔗

Ben Fulford.


If you reach enough you can find the full articles on other websites, video interviews etc.

I amy not agree with 99% of what a lot of these strange websites say or spout but I do enjoy their theories, writing style, the way they truly believe and so on.

Passes the time.

110303 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Awkward Git, #702 of 1269 🔗

Yeah, know of him.
Remember reading on https://rense.com// his wild/crazy speculations.

110185 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to RickH, 1, #703 of 1269 🔗

Yes, I think it’s what the military call a false flag operation.

110296 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, #704 of 1269 🔗

Got the full report from a French website.

Unfortunately a bit above my level of french so will have to work on translating it a bit at a time so I can read through it:


110384 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, #706 of 1269 🔗

Care to share what website this is, AG?

110444 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Carrie, #707 of 1269 🔗
110077 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #708 of 1269 🔗

WHO Special Envoy Heaps Praise on Sweden’s Covid Strategy

One of the World Health Organization’s six special envoys on Covid-19 has highlighted Sweden’s virus response as a model that other countries should be emulating in the long run.

110091 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #709 of 1269 🔗

“Emulating in the long run”? Emulating now would be more appropriate.

110121 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tenchy, 2, #710 of 1269 🔗

I listened to the interview when it first came out. The host repeatedly tried to get Nabarro to agree that the Swedish model is desirable. Eventually he does so, but the caveat is that there must first be 0 cases in the community with massive testing programmes and perfect tracing system. In my opinion the article in the link distorts what Nabarro said beyond recognition .

110097 Awkward Git, 6, #711 of 1269 🔗

Another report that says HCQ plus other drugs is safe to use:


“ConclusionThe 5-day course of HCQ- AZM combination did not lead to clinically significant QT prolongation and other conduction delays compared to baseline ECG in non-ICU COVID19(+) patients.”

One US based doctor Zen Zelenko who advocates HCQ and other protocols early to keep patients out of ICU has called for crimes against humanity trials against those who are leading the “fight against covid”


The videos on youtube keep coming and going for breaking community guidelines.

110101 South West Skeptic, replying to South West Skeptic, 109, #712 of 1269 🔗

Hi all

It’s been a few weeks since I last posted but I thought I’d describe something that’s just happened in our local high st. My wife and I had just finished our walk and were heading home. We saw this little old lady (must have been in her 80s) obviously struggling with her shopping and could barely breath with her mask on so I stopped and asked if she needed help. I double and triple checked with her that she was OK with me handling her shopping so I carried it to the bus stop for her. My wife offered to walk with her at the same time and bless her, she linked arms with my wife.

All she did the entire time was thank us for helping her and kept asking if it was OK if she took her mask off. My wife said, “you can do whatever you feel comfortable with my dear. You don’t have to wear it but you can if you want”

When we sat her down at the bus stop she held both our hands and said thank you ever so much. Her bus wasn’t for ages so my wife has gone back down in the car to give her a lift home

As we were walking away I actually started welling up because throughout the entire interaction, all I kept thinking was “can I handle her shopping, am I getting too close, is she going to feel uncomfortable?” When she grabbed our hands to say thank you, that’s what finally set me off

All I kept thinking was, what the hell have we done to our country? Is this social damage irreversible? I hope not

I’m a vehement anti mask wearer (I never wear one anywhere) but society looks at me and probably thinks I hate old people

Today gave me hope but also made me feel sad at the same time

110124 ▶▶ RickH, replying to South West Skeptic, 49, #713 of 1269 🔗

All I kept thinking was, what the hell have we done to our country? “

You have perfectly captured what many of us feel in this vignette.

110135 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to South West Skeptic, 36, #714 of 1269 🔗

Well done to you and your wife , for restoring my faith and no doubt that of the lady you helped too. I’m on a train surrounded by young people, needlessly masked, and your tale made me well up too. What I hate most about mask wearing is the dehumanising effect. No one looks or smiles at each other. I’m just coming back from Wales where generally no masks and I cannot our adequately into words the difference it makes. You feel like a human being and people definitely interact with you more.

110144 ▶▶▶ South West Skeptic, replying to Telpin, 12, #715 of 1269 🔗

Hi Telpin. This was perfectly summed up 20 mins before when my wife and I were both in Costa. I had a bit of jovial banter with a mask wearer in front of me about the size of his coffee cup (Ooh er). He laughed and then said something back. I couldn’t understand a single word he said and didn’t have the heart to ask him to repeat it so I just politely chuckled. End of conversation 🙁

110162 ▶▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to South West Skeptic, 19, #716 of 1269 🔗

I’ve had more conversations with random shopkeepers in the last 5 days than with any ‘strangers’ in the last 5 months since the mask wearing/ SD madness was introduced.Your story poignantly captures the unseen impacts of deliberately propagating fear. Cruelty is the only appropriate word.

110176 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to South West Skeptic, 32, #717 of 1269 🔗

They are a tool to stop social interaction and people questioning how and why our liberties, freedom of speech and freedom of choice have been removed. Quite frankly seeing people wear them makes me feel sick, in my 42 years on this planet I’ve never seen anything so utterly useless and inhuman.

110180 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to stefarm, 10, #718 of 1269 🔗

Utterly useless describes it perfectly.

110139 ▶▶ jim j, replying to South West Skeptic, 26, #719 of 1269 🔗

@SW Skeptic. Way to go! Wonderful story. Our neighbourhood oldies are struggling too and we are trying to make a real effort to be there and be human for them.
I’m just having a “discussion” on precisely this point in the Comments section of The DTel with a couple of guys trying to tell me the relative benefits of N95/99 masks – they don’t seem to grasp that this isn’t about masks and fricking aerosols and droplets, it’s about the reality of our humanity and community. The herd of pedantic half assed amateur filtration experts and part time virologists are doing incredible societal damage.
It’s worthy of a tear or two.

110157 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to jim j, 17, #720 of 1269 🔗

That’s the key point and why people end up talking past each other.

Masks do indeed work. They will stop droplets and infection.

But only from the infected, and 99.999% of people are not infected and nor are they transmitting in the areas where masks are mandatory. Otherwise we’d see a deviation in the rate of change around July 24th, and we don’t.

So really they are a fashion item. A marketing statement. No more so than in Formula 1 where, given the testing regime, nobody in the paddock has Covid. So why are they wearing them?

If it carries on too much longer they will become known as the Boris Burka. Not only does that alliterate beautifully, it says it all.

110193 ▶▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Lucan Grey, 12, #721 of 1269 🔗

The Boris Burka – perfect.

110562 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #722 of 1269 🔗

I’ll try to spread that one on the Daily Mail, next time I visit the comments section.

110143 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to South West Skeptic, 4, #723 of 1269 🔗

Thanks for sharing your emotional and thoughtful experience. Much appreciated!

110158 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to South West Skeptic, 2, #724 of 1269 🔗

A brilliant and telling tale. Hope Toby picks up on your post and highlights it.

110177 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to South West Skeptic, 2, #725 of 1269 🔗

Heartwarming report SWS, thank you for sharing

110190 ▶▶ leggy, replying to South West Skeptic, 1, #726 of 1269 🔗

Fair play to you SWS, you’re one of the good ones – don’t let them break you!

110210 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to South West Skeptic, 3, #727 of 1269 🔗

Thanks for posting this SWS. How very, very sad though that doing the ‘right thing’ would be perceived in some quarters as doing the ‘wrong thing’. Thank god there are still people like you and your wife around.

110109 leggy, #728 of 1269 🔗

What was Purple gorilla’s beef? Enjoy the holiday!

110141 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #729 of 1269 🔗

This article is horrific – US university system has been taken over by psychopaths, and no doubt, they’ll be at it here:


110155 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #730 of 1269 🔗

The contrast with the legal safeguards available to arrested suspects held in Remand or police cells is startling. I’m serious.

110276 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Yawnyaman, 1, #731 of 1269 🔗

People involved in rioting, who have been arrested by the police are just let straight out again.

110166 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #732 of 1269 🔗

I have been questioning the value of a ‘campus’ university degree for a wile now (I have many degrees). Lazy lecturers, little tuition, old information especially in technology, woke attitudes, etc, however with all these new crazy interventions/rules online universities sounds like a much better option. Yes, I know you won’t get the campus experience.

110195 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Victoria, 8, #733 of 1269 🔗

The whole university system needs to be restructured, top to bottom. Where to start? Firstly, eliminate all undergraduate degrees in business & management, nursing/midwifery, criminology (I am sure there are more). Secondly, there needs to be quotas on international students, as from my experience, many are not of sufficient calibre, often because they can barely speak English. Thirdly, close the ‘new’ universities which are site-blocking (they are sat on real estate and land which would be better used as affordable housing), and allocate students who achieve 3 A Levels at/or above Grade C to proper academic places of study. Remaining kids need to attend dedicated practical institutions, in conjunction with employers, to gain apprenticeship-style experiences and qualifications.

There are many subject areas where you have to be physically present – medicine, sciences, engineering. Pretty much everything else can be done online, but there are good reasons why some campus attendance is preferential. From memory, the Open University used to have block weeks where remote learners would attend to interact with staff and contemporaries for group exercises etc.

You are correct. Many lecturers are not up to the job. It is certainly a skill to be able to teach, and many of my lecturers in the 1980s were terrible ‘teachers’ – but at least they were proper academics. We now have a university system where several VCs do not have doctorates (one or two I could name don’t even have masters degrees), and few would rank as ’eminent’ academics. If this is at the top, you can only imagine what lies underneath in the bowels of the university system.

110240 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #734 of 1269 🔗

How true, don’t get me started. You only have to pick a new ‘university’ at random and type in ‘post graduate social science’ degrees to find out what our money is being spent on – in fact I’ll do it now, how about UWE’s ‘Centre for Appearance Research (CAR) – we use innovative research methods to examine and improve adults’ and young people’s experiences of appearance.’
i’m sure there’s some worthy stuff in there, but also acres of dross being taught by people called senior lecturers who don’t have a PhD themselves.

110263 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Bruno, 4, #735 of 1269 🔗

It used to be the case that you could not teach/lecture unless you had at least one level up in the academic qualification tree. So, to lecture MBA/MSc you needed to have a PhD, to lecture Undergraduates, you needed to have at least an MSc/MA (an earned masters too, not an Oxbridge MA, granted several years after graduating). This is no longer the case even in Russell Group universities. If you look at the fees for various MSc and MBA courses at the top UK universities (London Business School, Said Business School, LSE, for example) I would be expecting top notch academics – and that is what you get, by and large. Not so after half way in the Russell Group. Below that, you barely get ‘teachers’. But then look at the qualifications of many teaching in schools, especially in the state sector. I would not dare to venture into a classroom to teach any science/maths course above GCSE – and I have double maths, biology and chemistry A Levels and studied natural science at university. My A Level teachers all had degrees from leading universities in the subjects they taught – and that was a state school. Standards have slipped beyond recognition, top to bottom. And then we have our politicians ……..

110379 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #736 of 1269 🔗

Yes, look at Matt Hancock’s medical qualifications! Or rather lack of them..

110558 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Victoria, #737 of 1269 🔗

From the sound of it, you’re not getting the “campus experience” now.

110274 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #738 of 1269 🔗

The university system had been taken over by psychopaths a long time ago. This virus gives them the perfect opportunity to flex their totalitarian muscles.
The scam is that they’ve taken the students and parents money first, then imposed these dreadful conditions with little warning.
The parents should not allow their kids to go back, and get together in a class action lawsuit to get a refund.

110556 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #739 of 1269 🔗

It is horrific. It sounds like the Stanford prison experiment .

110145 Stef, 12, #740 of 1269 🔗

Dystopic world where we are confined in our little nests to work frenetically from our homes, everyone dissociated from the society and the real life. Sofa/Netflix/Amazon consumers in our bedroom, scared to go outside and to have a social life, forced to wear muzzles. If you try to go against these absurd rules, you are labelled as ‘covidiot’, ‘negationist’, ‘rave party’, etc. A dystopic present where no one question the measures taken. A doomed world we are creating, Sweden is seen as the last beacon of hope.

110152 Victoria, 1, #741 of 1269 🔗

Good to know. Wont use purple parking again

110159 Victoria, 3, #742 of 1269 🔗

VIDEO: NY Times/AVAAZ spreads misinformation about Greenmedinfo.com + CDC New Death Stats Reveal the “HOAX”
“Two major events are addressed in this livestream conducted by Sayer Ji on August 30th: 1) The NY TIMES and AVAAZ have identified Greenmedinfo.com’s whistleblowing information as a target for further censorship 2) The CDC surreptitiously updated their COVID-19 death statistics on August 26th, revealing that less than 10k of the so-called ‘COVID-19 deaths” were actually caused solely by the virus (even though no virus testing is required to certify someone dead from COVID-19).

We are living in exciting times. People are waking up. And this is causing both opportunity and challenges.”


110165 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 38, #743 of 1269 🔗

The evidence against harsh lockdowns of the young, fit and healthy has been in place for months but are constantly ignored by the mainstream media and government. We have been posting comments on websites for months but it hasn’t really got us anywhere yet, and now the Unions seem determined to make life miserable for months to come.

Events with over 30 people now incur a £10,000 penalty so the opportunity for a more mainstream protest events has gone now. Unfortunately, no one with any power or influence would step forward to organise one because they either don’t exist or are too frighten of public opinion.

I realise the protest on Saturday might not have appealed to many people on this site and Toby. But readers should realise this was staged on a budget of less than £10,000 and was made very difficult by the police and authorities. There were no business, government or billionaire donations received unlike other causes protesting at the weekend (BLM (also has royal and media backing) / Extinction Rebellion (Boris Johnsons wife supports the cause as does the BBC). The event was always going to get absolutely slaughtered in the media and there were individuals planted to make the protest look bad – the media lied and the photos are far from representative. Remember the ‘largely peaceful protests’ they spin things whichever way they want.

If you ban certain banners, doesn’t it go against the cause of freedom? and make the protest a bit sanitised and fake like certain other protests? (who have pre approved slogans and chants).

I think the organisers did a great job all things considered and well done to Piers Corbyn for standing up against the authorities.

110198 ▶▶ gina, replying to Darryl, 8, #744 of 1269 🔗

I thought it was just great to be given an opportunity to stand up and be counted.

110229 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Darryl, 3, #745 of 1269 🔗

It’s certainly a sad comment on present day society, but as I am in a particularly pessimistic mood today, I would point out the three quarters of a million people were estimated to have protested in London over the Iraq war.

Did it stop the war?
Is Tony Blair still in jail?

Rhetorical questions.

110255 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Old Bill, 5, #746 of 1269 🔗

One good thing about protests even if the achieve nothing in the big scheme of things is that at least you know there are others out there who think like you do and you are not alone nor a minority of one.

110688 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Old Bill, 2, #747 of 1269 🔗

Looking back at the Iraq war it does make you pessimistic, especially David Kelly’s ‘suicide’, and the fact the Tony Blair Institute seems to have a lot of influence now. We still shouldn’t give up hope, the ‘new normal’ will be truly dystopian if we allow it to happen completely unopposed.

110285 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Darryl, 3, #748 of 1269 🔗

Well said. Its been (mildly) entertaining to see all the chatter about being a pure vs a non pure lockdown sceptic. Reminds me of that scene in the life of brian with the various fronts of Judea squabbling. Splitters!

My 2c is that I simply don’t care who stands on what platform for what reason. Anyone who goes against the dominant narrative will be ridiculed and ignored.

A potentially different way to look at this is the old adage that ‘my enemy’s enemy is my friend’.

As I’ve said before, one mans conspiracy theory is another mans yet to be accepted hypothesis.

110694 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #749 of 1269 🔗

Yes, it does have the feeling of the Life of Brian – it is disheartening. We are too few in number to split into groups and attack each other. This is what those in power want and actively try to promote. A divided and fearful population is easier to control.

110179 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #750 of 1269 🔗

Care UK employee Louise Hampton


‘Our service was dead’: Care UK employee Louise Hampton


‘Our service was dead’: NHS worker under investigation after claiming coronavirus is ‘a load of b****ks’ and admitting she did ‘f** all’ during the pandemic and admitting she did ‘f** all’ during the pandemic

110184 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #751 of 1269 🔗

Piers Corbyn: It’s “quite likely” Sadiq Khan was responsible for my arrest at anti-lockdown protest


The Daily Covidgraph described Piers Corbyn as a 73-year-old, a climate change denier.

110199 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 13, #752 of 1269 🔗


Sceptics languishing in Sturgeon land; please read this.

Secondly, my latest anecdote from the Land of the Gagged: shortly after 2pm, having answered the obligatory Covid questions, I was admitted to the dental surgery.

My friendly dentist and his nurse barely recognisable in their £50-worth of privately supplied PPE-(£50) each. Swathed from top to toe.

Check up, X ray, scale and polish and mouth rinse as in normal times, but it cost £80, as still not available on the NHS.

I won’t be able to afford this again, but it was well worth it and put my mind at rest.

Despite us all having been confined to Covid-land for over 5 months, NHS PPE is still not available; some supplies were sent out, but were found to be useless, as out of date.

My dentist is wondering why UK plc’s moribund manufacturing sector cannot be revived : why are we still reliant on not-fit-for-purpose foreign imports?

His wife’s practice in the Strathclyde health authority area, is now allowed to use drills but under strictly limited conditions: only for emergencies-(what constitutes an emergency?)- and for no more than 2 patients per day.

The alternatives are extraction or paying for private treatment.

Meanwhile Scotland’s Chief Dental Officer has apparently gone awol, and dental practices are still receiving only 80% reimbursement, while opticians receive 100%.

Costs have increased because of the mandatory deep cleaning routines and incomes are declining: fewer patients.

Reports are now coming in of a significant increase in eye infections ,caused by masks. My dentist has heard this from several sources.

He agreed that the Sturgeon directives are based largely on unproven assertions, that much of the advice lacks credibility and amounts to little more than scare mongering and control creep and political posturing.

So, NHS dentistry is failing both its patients and its practitioners, all thanks to over reaction and Project Fear, all dressed up in tartan tosh.

Will this nonsense never end?

110233 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to wendyk, 1, #753 of 1269 🔗

To depress you even further, although dental care is still available away from the sainted OURNHS.

110279 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Nessimmersion, #754 of 1269 🔗

Yes I mentioned this to my dentist; he hasn’t encountered it yet, but expects to shortly.

Gum disease,halitosis,macne, eye infections: the new normal. Ghastly.

110280 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to wendyk, 4, #755 of 1269 🔗

Nip to France, get yourself on a dinghy part way into the channel, and you are done. Navy will pick you up, bring you here and you can have free dental treatment – don’t even mention The Deadly Disease ™. Meanwhile, it’s illegal for my neighbour to come into my garden.

A. Taxpayer.

110289 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Sam Vimes, #756 of 1269 🔗

True enough! We’re all under heavy manners while The Channel Escort Service runs without restrictions.

110325 ▶▶ mjr, replying to wendyk, 5, #757 of 1269 🔗

So not only is the current government toothless, in a couple of years time the rest of the population will also be toothless. I was going to say this is biting satire but probably more appropriate to call it gumming satire. Anyway something to chew over (but watch those loose fillings ..

110334 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to mjr, 2, #758 of 1269 🔗

I suppose we could say it might be something to suck on, as opposed to chew on, when we all become edentulous.

Of course losing one’s teeth accelerates the ageing process and causes loss of jaw bone density: still, if it saves lives and stops the spread,what’s not to like?!

We’ll all end up with those awful animated dentures that Eric Morecombe used to do tricks with;(those were the days, when Morecombe and Wise had us all helpless with laughter).

110370 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to wendyk, 2, #759 of 1269 🔗

Will we be glad of the masks then, to disguise the state of our teeth?!

110415 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Carrie, 2, #760 of 1269 🔗

The New Normal: mind the gaps!

110202 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 11, #761 of 1269 🔗

Went to church yesterday unmasked as I’m exempt. There was a christening and it was a sad sight to see all these people beautifully dressed, but their smart outfits topped by ugly masks. The infant obviously thought so too as she kept trying to pull her father’s mask off.

The vicar did bend the rules on numbers and we all chatted together at the back afterwards despite the rules saying we were supposed to leave at once. I could not hear what one man said because of his mask and I am not deaf!

110235 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 4, #762 of 1269 🔗

The whole pantomime is absurd beyond belief : 1 in 7000 might have a viable virus – and it isn’t a mask that’s going to keep it away from you.

110318 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #763 of 1269 🔗

imagine when the kid has grown up having to explain why the parents, the godparents , the vicar etc were all masked in the photographs
“Mummy.. whose that?” “That’s me ” “So who is that man? ” “which?” “the one holding me” ” That;s your dad? “

110203 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 12, #764 of 1269 🔗

Death toll rises by one!! Oh no! Right then, masks will have to be mandatory everywhere, even in the bath! Stay safe folks 🛀 🛀 😷 😷

110227 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #765 of 1269 🔗

The key fact about deaths – as carefully recorded by the CEBM – is that they are only deaths where the there was a positive test for Covid.

i.e They are not deaths from Covid-19.

We all know (I hope by now) about the accuracy of testing in relation to actual infection.

110206 Cheshirecatslave, 7, #766 of 1269 🔗

Went for a stroll by the river over the weekend with a friend and was pleased everyone we passed on the narrow path acted in a relaxed and normal manner . It felt good to be back in a normal world albeit for a short time.

110207 AngloWelshDragon, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 12, #767 of 1269 🔗

We are clearly starting to fall into two camps. There are those of us who are primarily rational and evidenced based in our scepticism and then there are those who are emotionally driven based on their (IMHO) irrational fear of Gates, NWO or whatever. I would rather be in a small group countering the official
narrative with facts and rigor than in a large group that trades in superstition and conspiracy. Personally I see little difference in those cultish supporters of mask wearing and lockdown and the cultish followers of Icke, 5G and anti-vaxxer conspiracy.

110221 ▶▶ RickH, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 7, #768 of 1269 🔗

I’m not sure that it’s as simple as that. But I agree that it’s very bad tactics to confuse the essential issues with various theories about the motivations for all this, from the credible to the plain barking.

Even on the issue of vaccination, there is a clear scientific case to be made about the folly of rushed use of an under-tested concoction for a notably mild virus. That just gets confused by a general antipathy to any vaccination without qualification.

110231 ▶▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to RickH, 7, #769 of 1269 🔗

My objection to the covid vaccination is simply that it’s being rushed. Early trials suggest unpleasant if minor side effects which – like the flu – would mean that for anyone not at high risk from covid (ie most of us) it’s not worth having. If I was 85 and in poor health I’d have it but at 55 and in good health I would not.

110343 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 8, #770 of 1269 🔗

The problem is that those who are 85 and in poor health are the most unlikely to benefit from a vaccine (assuming it works in the first place) because the older we become, the harder it is to mount an effective immune response — either to the virus itself or to the vaccine. Then the argument becomes: we must vaccinate the young and healthy in order to protect the old and unhealthy. Any vaccine — if you were to read the insert which nobody does — lists all kinds of potential ill effects. So are we prepared to put young and healthy people at risk from a vaccine for a virus that won’t kill them in order to extend the life of an ill 85-year-old for a few months? Not a tradeoff I’d be willing to make, and am just hoping the choice won’t be taken away from us.

110236 ▶▶ Howie59, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 8, #771 of 1269 🔗

The problem is, we have been countering the narrative with facts for months now. It doesn’t matter because no-one is listening. The only backtracking that I am aware of is the release of the SAGE minutes that were triggered by Simon Dolan’s legal challenge.

How can you counter with facts when the other side uses disinformation with the power of the MSM?

The fundamental question is this. Do you believe that this whole debacle is pure incompetence and the doubling down against all evidence and facts is simply face saving or do you believe there is another agenda? I am firmly in the latter camp but I do not consider myself a conspiracy theorist.

110246 ▶▶▶ Howie59, replying to Howie59, 2, #772 of 1269 🔗

As regards 5G, I know little about how the technology works. What I do know is this. The 5G city/town is going to happen whether we want it or not. For me, it’s the always-on, always-visible, data gathering part that fills me with dread. Think “Minority Report” – the capability to do pretty much instantaneous facial/iris recognition and all that’s possible with it. “Sorry sir, your economic/social status does not match our target profile; Louis vitton doesn’t see you as a viable customer.” Poundland, oh “come on in sir”.

110290 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Howie59, 3, #773 of 1269 🔗

I have no particular views on 5G – I haven’t looked into the issue, and at the moment the Covid nonsense overshadows everything, and is far more immediate and important.

But the claim to ‘evidence’ works two ways, and these other hobby-horses need to be judged by the same criteria.

I do remember in the good old days of 3G, I was chairing a planning committee at the time, and that inured me to all sorts of conspiracy theories and being regularly accused of corruption and environmental destruction etc. by every barking individual between the M1 and A1.

The standing joke were the ‘phone-mast objectors constantly on their phones broadcasting how evil the things were.

My personal sympathies were strongly about protection of the environment, but I had to be on top of all sorts of specialist evidence about a range of issues, and work within a framework of legal and regulatory reason and clear evidence. On balance, a large proportion of the conspiracy theories were, indeed, based on hot air and fevered imaginations.

That experience tempers my sympathy for those who adopt every contrary position as a matter of course.

Focus and evidence needs to be the overarching principle.

110352 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Howie59, 2, #774 of 1269 🔗

Robert Kennedy talks about what 5G will enable ‘them’ to do, ie even more tracking and micromanaging of our lives than they are already doing..

110252 ▶▶▶ Humanity First, replying to Howie59, 6, #775 of 1269 🔗

I believe in following the truth/evidence to wherever it leads.

If you arrive at a position which you can (actually must) uphold in good conscience, then if others label you a “conspiracy theorist” or whatever should not really be of any relevance.

110349 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Howie59, 1, #776 of 1269 🔗

I’d like the notes from the new secret committee they set up after being forced to release the SAGE notes!

110241 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #777 of 1269 🔗

Piers Corbyn has been on TalkRADIO this afternoon talking about his arrest following the protest at the weekend. He was given a fairly free reign, but had to go down the 5G route, which gave Ian Collins the ammunition needed to turn Piers Corbyn into a crazy conspiracy theorist.

110242 ▶▶ Humanity First, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 11, #778 of 1269 🔗

While disagreements are normal and to be expected, I don’t think it is at all fair to paint those concerned with Gates’ activities as being primarily emotional or irrational.

There is a wealth of factual information (i.e. plausible evidence) available about Gates’ business background and practices and his involvement in public health, GMO foods, etc that justify being extremely wary of his agenda and goals.

Of course no one is compelled to adopt a particular view but I think we should be fair-minded and not be so easily dismissive of views we don’t agree with.

110284 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Humanity First, #779 of 1269 🔗

Great post. So true

110359 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Humanity First, 2, #780 of 1269 🔗

There is video evidence as well! The way Bill G laughs when saying people will take it seriously ‘next time’ is seriously chilling..

110243 ▶▶ Julian, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #781 of 1269 🔗

You’d need to calculate how much is gained in potential credibility against how much is lost in support for our cause

Gut feel at this stage is to keep it a broad church but get everyone to stick to core message and co-opt more and more mainstream support

As to the theories, I don’t think the PM is following orders or that there is a little room full of people giving orders, but I don’t think it’s at all far fetched to note various NGOs and businesses happy to use this crisis to further their own agendas

110249 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 7, #782 of 1269 🔗

It’s not an irrational fear of Gates, WHO, WEF etc – they have stated openly and categorically what they want to do and it miraculously is seeming to happen exactly a they had earlier stated.

Not superstition nor conspiracy.

Just not enough provable facts yet, there are some but it’s mostly coincidences and synchronicity but the facts will come eventually.

110357 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #783 of 1269 🔗

Couldn’t agree more. It’s not a conspiracy theory when the perpetrators are quite open about what it is they want to do! Gates has categorically stated that the world cannot go back to normal until 7 billion people are vaccinated. What don’t people understand about this? He’s got no medical background and yet is consulting with world leaders and guiding policy. He talks openly about “immunity passports” and preventing people from participating in society if they don’t go along with the vaccine and having their medical records embedded under their skin to be easily scanned. Australia, a supposed democracy, already has a “no jab, no pay” policy and other governments are looking to follow suit. So these are not irrational fears and they are not conspiracy theories. It’s all laid out in black and white for anyone paying attention.

110363 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 3, #784 of 1269 🔗

Gates is also investing large amounts of money so as to buy influence! Why else would he be investing in the BBC if it were not to buy influence?

110348 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 4, #785 of 1269 🔗

How do you explain the identical language used by every country, *right from the start*, about the ‘new normal’ and so on? Do you really believe this was just a coincidence?

110538 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Carrie, 2, #786 of 1269 🔗

Tthe Internet does make near-instantaneous communication possible, so that might be the transmission route.

I’ve often wondered if this whole situation would have been possible pre-Internet. I’m not sure the psychological manipulation would have worked so well without reinforcement available at the click of a mouse.

110651 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #787 of 1269 🔗

Y parti bach!

110209 IMoz, replying to IMoz, 6, #788 of 1269 🔗

Headline from the Independent:-

China’s economic recovery gathers pace, leaving the US and Europe trailing
note the accompanying picture… Hardly any face masks or any “coverings” of the sort!


110213 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to IMoz, 2, #789 of 1269 🔗

That’s a foregone conclusion!

110218 ▶▶ Julian, replying to IMoz, 6, #790 of 1269 🔗

Quiz questions
1 Which major industrialised nation has suffered least economically from this virus?
2 Which major industrialised country has suffered least medically from this virus
3 Why?

110247 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Julian, 2, #791 of 1269 🔗

I-2 might be showing my ignorance here but I’m taking a punt on China
Why -They have pulled a blinder!

110267 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Steeve, 1, #792 of 1269 🔗

I was right! -Saw the question not the headline!

110291 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Steeve, 1, #793 of 1269 🔗

Was it luck?

How do we think they have managed to have such low mortality? Have they just lied?

Once the initial theatre was over, what have they been doing?

110307 ▶▶▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Julian, 6, #794 of 1269 🔗

My guess is that there was no “independent” media to fan the unwarranted panic…

110439 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Julian, 2, #795 of 1269 🔗

Wuhan Pool Party did it for me!

Any thoughts on mortality?

110282 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Julian, 3, #796 of 1269 🔗

Great questions.

Obviously China will come out of this the best. Our fearless leader totally missed the trap, fell for it, decimated our economy and our sanity

110537 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Victoria, 2, #797 of 1269 🔗

Actually, he saw the example of the Chinese totalitarian government, liked it, and decided to try it.

110315 ▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Julian, 4, #800 of 1269 🔗

China have the advantage of not hating their own civilisation.

110695 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, 1, #801 of 1269 🔗


That’s what Number 6 wrote on the punch card to insert into The General’s slot. And The General could not compute it and blew up.

110211 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 11, #802 of 1269 🔗

We have just come back from the pub. What a joyless experience that was. We used to frequent this particular pub every Sunday lunch. The pub itself was empty the bar was roped off, directional stickers on floor. I complained to the barman about all these precautions being crap but was told “It’s better than the pubs being closed”, I replied “Is it? We sat inside as all seating was empty but the music was so dire the barman being mid 20s so musically retarded, we moved to the parking area which was now the outside seating area. We indulged in a spot of people watching and saw a middle aged couple sit themselves next table 2 metres away from us. Their table hadn’t been cleared so the couple discussed what they should do about it. They decided the husband should remove the glasses to a bench seating area then sanitise his hands because of germs!

It’s quite hopeless you know. We are doomed!

110258 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #803 of 1269 🔗

I’m very fortunate my local has given up on all the nonsense. Can’t stand at the bar but beyond that, back to normal and I make a point of always using cash.

110650 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Liam, #804 of 1269 🔗

Mine too. And I am glad about no standing at the bar – as a small woman, it was hard to battle my way through the wall of giant fleece gilet & checked shirt wearing men (it’s the country). Now it is a doddle to order.

110317 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #805 of 1269 🔗

Jeez as a middle aged couple you think they might comprehend that the human immune system is designed to tolerate a few germs!

110704 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to KBuchanan, #806 of 1269 🔗

They must have skipped Biology class. Or, perhaps, it’s wasn’t part of their educational curriculum.

110469 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #807 of 1269 🔗

Musically retarded might be the funniest thing I’ll read today. Those poor young people lol.

110215 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #808 of 1269 🔗

More blanket anti-car policy being debated. The lack of nuance is worrying. Where I live, it’s the wheelie bins that are the biggest obstacle for wheelchairs and baby buggies!

Child police doesn’t sit comfortably either, another shade of 1984.


“A key part of our green, post-Covid recovery will be encouraging more people to choose active travel, such as walking, so it is vital that we make the nation’s pavements accessible for everyone. Pavement parking presents a clear safety risk when parked cars occupy the pavement and force vulnerable pedestrians to move into the road.”

110217 ▶▶ Steve, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #809 of 1269 🔗

Without pavement parking most roads will be impassible. It would also make my job as a delivery driver impossible in places. This whole debate is sheer idiocy and would be unenforceable.

110225 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #810 of 1269 🔗

Wholeheartedly agree on the number of pavements blocked by multiple wheelybins.
Just watch people with prams or in wheelchairs try to get past them, far bigger problem than cars.
No doubt that’s different because reasons.

110244 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #811 of 1269 🔗

Notice the “ green, post-Covid recovery ” is everywhere at moment – TV adverts, MSM, TV shows, everywhere.

That’s where all this is heading.

110270 ▶▶▶ Humanity First, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #812 of 1269 🔗

Agreed. UN Agenda 21/30 being rolled out before our eyes with COVID as the pretext.

One thing to note about the UN, WHO, WEF etc is that although they are being painted as the main drivers of what is going on, powers like the US have never in the past been “bullied” by them to implement anything they didn’t want to do.

The reality has been quite the opposite with the US using the UN whenever it wanted “global support” for one of its wars (not surprising when you dig into the histories of when and why bodies like the UN were originally set up).

A lot of smoke and mirrors…..

110319 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Humanity First, #813 of 1269 🔗
110341 ▶▶▶▶▶ Humanity First, replying to Awkward Git, #814 of 1269 🔗


I am familiar with that website but haven’t seen that page yet (too busy exploring German ufo technology in WWII!)

110392 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Humanity First, #815 of 1269 🔗

It’s got lots of interesting stuff on it but it’s not too user friendly.

I dod double check in other places the facts they quote and they are pretty verifiable – not 100% but better than a lot of places.

110314 ▶▶▶ Suitejb, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #816 of 1269 🔗

Yesterday the Food Programme on Radio 4 was supposedly coming from the year 2030 when inner London was ‘sitopia’, where the growing of food was the centre of everyday life. It all sounded very jolly but it’s as if the continual portraying of a ‘new’ world will gradually bring people to accept it and even embrace it. Like making masks fashion accessories. Control by stealth.

110681 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #817 of 1269 🔗

Funny how those in power get what they want one way or the other. They could have just as easily gone for bringing back industry so we aren’t reliant on foreign powers.

110248 ▶▶ davews, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #818 of 1269 🔗

Living in a street where pavement parking has become the norm due to lack of parking elsewhere I tend to support this proposal. I always manage to find somewhere to park even if it is 100 yards away and would never park on the pavement myself.

110253 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to davews, 2, #819 of 1269 🔗

If pavement parking is banned in my street I may as well smash my car up myself to save time.

110271 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to davews, 6, #820 of 1269 🔗

Quite right too. Pavement parking in my small road made life increasingly hazardous for us . The final straw was when a man confined to a wheelchair had to use the road and a young mum with a pushchair was forced to do the same.

After many pleas, our former MP got the council to install double yellow lines on one side of the road.

We’re now waiting for these to be renewed. Believe me, pavement parking presents a real danger to pedestrians, wheelchair users and parents with pushchairs.

One several occasions, I’ve had to negotiate cars parked right up on the pavement with the nearside door wide open: safe access completely blocked.

Unfortunately,,as the rest of our small road is used for overspill all day parking, delivery drivers frequently get stuck,owing to the sheer number of vehicles.

As to wheelie bins; yes they are a nuisance, all the more so since the council’s latest recycling initiative has stipulated that every household must now accommodate 4 bins.

110362 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to wendyk, -2, #821 of 1269 🔗

But do you have to impose a blanket ban on pavement parking, or just persuade people to pavement-park better ? We live in an interconnected economy (or used to) where viable parking makes an area more attractive to residents, pushing up prices, making the area more attractive to businesses, and so on.

Bring in some kneejerk ban on parking, and you could end up living in an economic wasteland. But, on the plus side, the pavements would be easily passable – if there were any shops for you to go to.

Bans, ‘rules’ and ‘measures’ are ruining our lives, and I would have thought that most people here are a little wary of them.

110409 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #822 of 1269 🔗

I don’t agree; my experience both as a resident and a pedestrian is that pavement parking- and cycling- make life hazardous for the folk I’ve previously mentioned, and it most certainly does not make an area more attractive to residents; just the opposite.

As to pushing up prices, how on earth can causing the kind of blight which my road has suffered, possibly bring this about?

The highest house prices in my small town are where large detached dwellings are situated in quiet ,leafy areas, with wide roads, and no overspill parking or congestion.

The protection of pedestrians-we still matter-is not to be dismissed simplistically as an assault on the rights and liberties of drivers and cyclists.

Better provision of allocated parking areas is by far the best approach, in my opinion.

Finally, I lived in Bath for many years, where the problems caused by overspill, illegal and pavement parking caused so many problems that local campaigns finally led to the introduction of residents’ only parking zones with temporary permits issued for visitors.

110442 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to wendyk, 1, #823 of 1269 🔗

Well, I’m thinking of one of the livelier areas of my town where Victorian terraced houses are considered very desirable – and expensive. Those narrow streets have to have pavement parking, and sure, it can abused, but in general it just about works.

I’m with Rowan Atkinson on this sort of thing. Pedestrianisation is often the kiss of death to an area.

110457 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #824 of 1269 🔗

I think we’ll have to agree to disagree and maintain the broad church guidance which makes this site so valuable.

110569 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to wendyk, 1, #825 of 1269 🔗

Indeed, there is really no solution, made worse by households having multiple cars. My gate is quite narrow and people used to park on the pavement right across it until I put a polite ‘keep gate clear’ notice up. Not helped by having a couple of huge transit vans which takes up a large part of the official parking area. I thought parking commercial vehicles in residential areas was against the rules. But anyway it has little to do with Covid.

110825 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Barney McGrew, #826 of 1269 🔗

“Pedestrianisation is often the kiss of death to an area.” maybe literally now. Sadiq Khan is now under severe attack, virtue signalling about his nice pavements and lack of motor vehicles in his restricted roads – but now the emergency services can’t pass. Been put to the test, fire trucks have been called out in some of these areas of London recently. What a guy.

110250 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #827 of 1269 🔗

Fucking moronic fear mongering two metre rules and relentless media panic porn tend to force pedestrians into the road. How about we ban those?

110321 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Liam, 3, #828 of 1269 🔗

The problem was here long before this situation. Like Wendyk describes above for her area, I’ve been forced out into the road because of cars blocking the pavement. And I, obviously, do not feel the need to be 2m away from other people.

110335 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to ConstantBees, #829 of 1269 🔗

Ok fair enough. Where I live the pavements are wide enough to park without obstruction but the road is narrow. I lose a wing mirror every three months or so, even with the car halfway on the pavement.

110535 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Liam, #830 of 1269 🔗

Well, it’s all changed tremendously since I first came to this country in 1987. Then it seemed like very few urban people owned cars. Over the decades, a larger and larger proportion of the population bought into the car thing with all of the problems Americans have dealt with for decades.

Unfortunately, the virus has made the lives of public transport users harder than it used to be, so I expect car ownership will increase (except for those who lose their jobs, and perhaps their cars).

110705 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, #831 of 1269 🔗

In the past five months I have seen many pedestrians move into the road to avoid me.

110219 Bruno, replying to Bruno, 3, #832 of 1269 🔗

Feeling pissed off and powerless? Me too.
Here’s something you can do though, write your answers to this Government Consultation,


scroll down to Respond Online, and start filling in the boxes – all of them…

it’s about all the special arrangements they want to bring in to make it easier to foist an unlicensed vaccine on us, advertise it, give it alongside the annual flu vaccine by training lots of extra paramedics to do the jabs, give themselves all sorts of extra powers, etc etc.

Closing date 18 September!

If anyone wants to see my answers, to start their creative juices flowing, they’re there in full on yesterday’s posts, pretty well the next- to- last of the day. Beth also linked to this earlier today:
Which again might help with things to say.
(Skipper commented mine were too long and I should post elsewhere and just give a link. If I knew where, I would. Forgive an oldie with barely a probationer’s licence in all things computer.)

Strangely enough, you won’t find the response link (thanks TT for it!) on the actual Consultation doc site

all you will find is a link to this:
‘Responding to this consultation Taking into account the information in this document, you are asked to give general responses.
The consultation period will run until the end of Friday 18 September 2020.
By necessity we are working towards short timelines, but if you miss the date and still want to make comments, contact us at covidvaccineconsultation@dhsc.gov.uk and we will try to accommodate your comment before any changes are made. In any event, we will consider them as part of the ongoing process of making sure we have everything we need properly in place to deal with the challenges of the coming months.
For those organisations with which we will be holding discussions about this document, we will be contacting you to arrange the appropriate meetings if we have not already done so. If you have been expecting to hear from us about such a meeting, but have not done so, please do contact your normal departmental contacts and they will make sure we have the right contact details and have the arrangements for holding discussions with you in hand.’

Which I found off-putting, made it look like you were being asked to make a free form submission, but only if you were some sort of knowledgeable medic, pharma organisation or similar.

110294 ▶▶ James H, replying to Bruno, 1, #833 of 1269 🔗

Done. Probably won’t make any difference, but I enjoyed doing it!

110524 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to James H, #834 of 1269 🔗

Well done!

110339 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bruno, #835 of 1269 🔗

This in the comments under the ‘slog’ link above is interesting: Health Minister Matt Hancock said, “People are going to need a Certificate”, (Guardian 29 Sep. 2019), presumably meaning that without one some freedoms, like travel and certain kinds of employment, could be restricted, making vaccination pretty compulsory. In the USA many employers demand proof.

Anyone remember him saying that last year?

110423 ▶▶ Edna, replying to Bruno, 1, #836 of 1269 🔗

Thank you so much for giving the link to the online response page. I thought I was going mad when I couldn’t find it on the document page!

110672 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Edna, #837 of 1269 🔗

I know, maddening, wasn’t it! They REALLY DON’T want us to comment. But it was TT who gave the proper link.

110224 Graham, replying to Graham, 9, #838 of 1269 🔗

25 Norwegians have been poisoned by carbon monoxide at an illegal rave in a bunker. The carbon monoxide came from portable generators. The BBC’s headline: “Coronavirus: Norway bunker partygoers poisoned with carbon monoxide”. So… it was the coronavirus’s fault that they had the rave and made a terrible misjudgement with the generators, was it?

110260 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Graham, 8, #839 of 1269 🔗

If it wasn’t for the restrictions, they’d be in a normal, safe, regulated club.

110262 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #840 of 1269 🔗

Am I correct in thinking that the Coronavirus Act comes up for review after 6 Months? in which case I guess it will need to be reviewed by 25th September? I guess it is at least worth writing to your MP?

110275 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #841 of 1269 🔗

Continuing emergency… following science… best evidence… second wave… cases… blah, blah, blah. Nothing to see here, move along.
Thank you for getting in touch, if there’s anything else I can ignore….

110286 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #842 of 1269 🔗

I think they need reminding someone is watching. The more people do it, the better, and some of them may have a sliver of conscience…

Awkward Git did a great letter which he posted a link to in yesterday’s comments, and this is also fantastic:


110302 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Julian, 2, #843 of 1269 🔗

Glad you liked it, here’s the link again:


110309 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Awkward Git, #844 of 1269 🔗

Not only did I like it, I used it! Thanks!

110312 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Julian, 2, #845 of 1269 🔗

No worries and it may annoy someone in power.

Already been told by an acquaintance I’m first in line for the late night knock on the door and a nice stay at a re-education camp.

110407 ▶▶▶▶▶ Badgerman, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #846 of 1269 🔗

I shall send it to my honourable member too. Thank you.

110613 ▶▶▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Awkward Git, #847 of 1269 🔗

Cheers , just sent it to my MP too , anything to rattle his cage

110690 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Awkward Git, #848 of 1269 🔗

AG, did you intend to leave full name and address at bottom of the letter?

110293 ▶▶ Badgerman, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #849 of 1269 🔗

You are correct. To be fair to parliament it insisted on a six month sunset clause rather than the two years iirc in the original bill. There is a rumour abroad that the government is to seek a two year extension in September.

110311 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Badgerman, #850 of 1269 🔗

TWO YEAR extension! On what possible basis? It would have to come up for review after another 6 months surely? If they try to get this through they are toast – I think even the most hitherto compliant citizen would rebel at this…

110326 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Carrie, 1, #851 of 1269 🔗

Don’t count on it.

110350 ▶▶▶▶ Badgerman, replying to Carrie, 4, #852 of 1269 🔗

I stress this is a rumour but indeed – on what possible basis?

Coronavirus Act 2020 s98

On the basis of that section if parliament doesn’t object to the motion when put then it would be a further 6 months – again, on what possible basis?

But have any recent decisions been taken on a sound basis?

There would be nothing to stop the government proposing an amendment to the Act to extend the review period which parliament could then accept or reject. After all they wanted 2 years to start with and why should they want to bother parliament with a trifling matter like the suspension of civil liberties every six months?

The opposition are not exactly making noises about bringing this to an end are they and Johnson has an 80 seat majority so even if his own party objected the opposition would probably help him out.

The CA 2020 is in effect an enabling act masquerading as a health measure. It needs to be put gently to sleep by parliament in September – don’t hold your breath…..

110823 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Badgerman, #853 of 1269 🔗

Put gently to sleep??
No! The Coronavirus act needs to be brutally bludgeoned to death, eviscerated, then dismembered and every part of it needs to be dissolved in acid then pumped out to sea.

110448 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Carrie, #854 of 1269 🔗

They ask for top numbers so they can fool people into believing parliament negotiated a more sensible 12 month extension. Politicians get to look like they are doing something and everyone’s happy.

False negotiations essentially

110333 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Badgerman, #855 of 1269 🔗

Yep, would put money on that happening. On the plus side, this will grow the scepticism big time.

110304 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #856 of 1269 🔗

AG wrote a great letter on this yesterday 🙂

110386 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #857 of 1269 🔗

Yes. I think it is crucial that people do get into MPs’ ribs over this.

I don’t hold out a lot of hope in terms of action, based on the pathetic performance up to now, but at least we will know for sure what sort of animal is representing our constituencies.

One thing I would say : don’t overload with detail : keep the questions clear, to the point and well evidenced. Forget New World Order stuff and questions of motivation etc. The main thing is to point up the evidence that Covid is no exceptional phenomenon, and that therefore exceptional measures are no more required than in a severe ‘flu season.

110468 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to RickH, 1, #858 of 1269 🔗

Quote the most recent flu season with a comparable number of deaths and point out that we did not shut down the country for that…

110264 Julian, replying to Julian, 6, #859 of 1269 🔗

Oh how I wish we could commission a properly structured opinion poll

Just look at what YouGov are asking me:

“Do you think the Government… ?

…is putting too much emphasis on protecting the economy and not enough on people’s health

…has got the balance between protecting the economy and protecting people’s health about right

…is putting too much emphasis on people’s health and not enough on protecting the economy

Don’t know”

How in the hell am I meant to answer that?

110300 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, 6, #860 of 1269 🔗

They are not putting too much emphasis on people’s health which is why loads of people are dying because their ops have been cancelled or cancer not diagnosed or has returned. Another answer should be in there which is:

…is putting too much emphasis on COVID-19 and not enough on protecting the economy

110308 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to JohnB, 2, #861 of 1269 🔗

That’s indeed the missing one. I’ve suggested it to them.

110456 ▶▶ matt, replying to Julian, 1, #862 of 1269 🔗

Go for the third as – even though it isn’t true (they’re putting no emphasis on either people’s health or the economy and instead emphasising chasing the Covid gingerbread man to the exclusion of all else) – it’s the one closest to an opinion that might get us out of this.

110269 gina, replying to gina, 18, #863 of 1269 🔗

I’ve very much appreciated this site. Its been a comfort to me as I’ve been bewildered and heartbroken at the loss of our freedoms and liberties over these past few months. It helped to know there were others who were of similar mind out there.
But I’m thinking I’m done with the comments section of this site. Its becoming another source of stress.
I’ve watched it from the beginning – when it was full of helpful links and explanations of science etc.It was a great resource – as helpful as the links Toby posted.
Its not like that any more.
There are still a number of people offering new insights for which I have been grateful. But for the main part it seems now to be just an echo chamber.
I’ve become increasingly uncomfortable with the insulting posts – calling mask wearers stupid, sheeple etc.
Calling people stupid and such was counter productive in the referendum debate.I don’t think it will win any arguments this time either. Most people are just trying to get by – to do the best they can, with what they’ve got at their disposal – just like I am.
I’m taken aback by the creeping insistance on adhering to a party line.
I’m not into conspiracy theories or anti vax or whatever but this is supposed to be an open comments site. As I understand it anyone is free to post whatever they consider relevant on here – and to make common cause with others, in the real world, to protest the loss of our liberties and customary way of life.
I’m a bit disheartened by the number of lofty comments giving Saturday’s rally marks out of ten – presumably from the comfort of a computer chair.
I’ll have to see how I get on without the daily fix….I am aware that I won’t be much of a loss – before anyone is kind enough to point that out.

110273 ▶▶ Liam, replying to gina, 6, #864 of 1269 🔗

I don’t really have many other places to go.

110306 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Liam, 4, #865 of 1269 🔗

I don’t have anywhere else to go.

110466 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #866 of 1269 🔗

Me neither…

110281 ▶▶ Julian, replying to gina, 16, #867 of 1269 🔗

Please don’t go.

Mask wearers do look like stupid sheeple to me, and some of them are, but I agree insulting people isn’t in general a good way to get them on your side. But we’re mainly among like-minded people here and I think a certain amount of letting off steam is normal. I’m sure in general people here don’t go around saying those kinds of things directly to others. And the fact is people have been brainwashed, and they are going along with the imposition of measures on those who haven’t been, partly out of laziness and apathy. I think a certain amount of disapproval is appropriate.

We’re having a debate about tactics, the public image of our “movement”. I think that’s quite normal and healthy. There are occasionally insulting posts but most of it is debate with arguments, even between people who have very different views. I think that’s freedom of speech.

I ignore some of the stuff posted here, both above and below the line. Some of it makes me cringe, other stuff is gold-dust.

If there’s really nothing here of interest any more then don’t waste your time, but please don’t leave because things occasionally get heated.

110288 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to gina, 8, #868 of 1269 🔗

At least on here, no matter your views, the arguments are reasonably civilised, pretty intelligent and generally thought provoking.

Don’t have that on farcebook, twitter or the moderated MSM comment sections so worth staying just for the entertainment value.

And some of the insulting phrases used are classic.

110305 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #869 of 1269 🔗

I think (although it IS playing divide and rule, which I suspect suits the government just fine) that the Credulous and the Incredulous probably covers it.

110295 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to gina, 3, #870 of 1269 🔗

What other description is there for people who do what ever an idiot government tells them to do, wear something that makes them look a dick and will NOT help them, and then do it in the exact opposite way to what their beloved government’s ‘advice’ was? Bedwetting, Fuckwit Sheep.

110297 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to gina, 4, #871 of 1269 🔗

Please stick with it, it can become an echo chamber and it’s very difficult to be a broad church for everyone. Never forget some posters may be being deliberately provoking. Remember though the thing is we ALL know whats normal and it is NOT the tomfoolery going on in many places where we shop,socialize (that’s a laugh!) and go about our “normal” day.

110301 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to gina, 2, #872 of 1269 🔗

There are many frustrated people out there, and here; we are fighting for our freedoms and it is so desperate to watch so many people handing our freedoms away. It may well be true that many mask-wearers just haven’t got the guts to do anything other than meekly comply, but we need them to think seriously about what they are doing….every person that complies hands victory to government. These are serious times.
It is a good thing to let off steam, it is essential. This place and Going-Postal are real havens of sanity, even if the posters are using what you feel are insulting words. As they say, I may not agree with what you say but I defend your right to say it….that is supposed to be freedom of speech.

110332 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to gina, 4, #873 of 1269 🔗

I appreciate your concerns and, obviously, support anyone’s decisions to protect themselves however they see fit. Since all of this started I have been keeping some pretty strange company — certainly relative to the echo chamber I was in before. I have found it very enlightening to read and expose myself to people and ideas I’d avoided before. I’m very socially liberal but have found myself drawn to more conservative publications, and in those I come across articles I am vehemently opposed to and avoid those. I don’t think there is any one medium that will appeal 100%, so we all must take the good with the bad. If this forum has become more bad than good and if you can’t avoid the threads you find uncomfortable, then so be it. Like Brian Rose of London Real says before every interview: “I may not agree with everything you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it.”

110346 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to gina, 9, #874 of 1269 🔗

Are you sure that you haven’t changed, too? I know that I have. When this site started there was still the fantasy of progress – that the government had a plan to return to the Old Normal. The frustration was that they kept on putting the dates back, but the plan was there nevertheless – even if we didn’t quite believe it. We also thought that ordinary people would begin to forget about the virus and go back to normal as the epidemic died out.

As time has gone on, it is clear that neither of those things is true. The government – for some reason – doesn’t want to go back to the Old Normal (or is too stupid – it’s remotely possible), and ordinary people are adapting to the New Normal.

I think it’s becoming very frustrating, and we 15% are resorting to common abuse of the 85% because there’s not much more we can do to make ourselves feel better. I still see some good stuff here, though, and Toby’s roundup is invaluable.

110385 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to gina, 7, #875 of 1269 🔗

If anything, I find this site the opposite of an echo chamber. Indeed, we are all mourning the loss of our liberties – that much we share – but I’ve found that lots of people on here have very different political views to myself, and also just different perspectives on life coloured by their own experiences. We’d hate for you to leave but if you need to take some time out from here for the sake of your mental health, then do what’s right for you 🙂

110523 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Poppy, 5, #876 of 1269 🔗

As a leftie, I know I’m in the minority here, and I do find some comments quite grating, but overall this site has the largest proportion of still sane people of any online place I go these days.

110660 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to ConstantBees, 3, #877 of 1269 🔗

Yes, being anti lockdown should have nothing to do with politics. Governments ‘left’ and ‘right’ wing around the world have all acted in an incredibly authoritarian and disproportionate manner. I can’t imagine voting for any of the current UK political parties again.

110455 ▶▶ Dave Tee, replying to gina, #878 of 1269 🔗

Great comment.
All blogs turn bad in the end.
Live your life.

110588 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to gina, 1, #879 of 1269 🔗

Take a day or two off, gina, see how you feel. Hope you will return though, you sent me an invaluable link once, explaining PCR tests from that German unofficial Enquiry they’re running. I was very grateful. You are obviously well informed and keep up with a lot of stuff, like so many here. I don’t know how you all do it.
There is a bit of ‘sledging’, can be disconcerting, especially for those not habituated to social media. And asperity. Life elsewhere gets frustrating, so that people, self included, vent, because it feels like there’s no one else listening. But a lot of brilliant laughs as well. And an invaluable education in so many different points of view. .

110730 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to gina, 1, #880 of 1269 🔗

Yes, I have found it very useful as it has kept me up to date on many aspects of this farce/fraud. However, I agree with you that we really ought to “ make common cause with others, in the real world, to protest the loss of our liberties and customary way of life”. There is no place for the likes of us in the new world order that will soon be coming to our neighbourhoods.

I have tried to get some traction and support to try to make the matter of hydroxychloroquine better known. If it were readily available to medical professionals (if such creatures still exist), or over the counter, it would eliminate the need for any of these dodgy vaccines that we are being threatened with. There is a wealth of evidence that in combination with zinc and an antibiotic and used in the early stages it can in most cases stop the infection in its tracks and there would be no reason to continue “keeping us safe” with the lockdown.

There is a feverish effort underway to get a vaccine approved for use, but if an effective treatment is already available, approval will be much more difficult and that is why HCQ is such a threat to big pharma and to Mr Gates’ investments. And that is also why Dr Andrew Fauci in the United States has blocked every move and petition attempting to get treatment with HCQ onto the books. (Some states have given approval independently of Fauci … but I am not exactly clear about the regulatory system there).

I had hoped that, as a movement, we could, for instance, print out leaflets, on this and various other relevant topics, and to distribute them in our local areas with the intent of educating some of those who at present are blindly accepting the ‘government’ narrative.

I am now going to write to my MP to see if I can shame him into voting to stop the extension of the lockdown.

110283 richard riewer, 2, #881 of 1269 🔗

Obfuscation – Wikipedia comment image https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obfuscation
Obfuscation is the obscuring of the intended meaning of communication by making the message difficult to understand, usually with confusing and ambiguous language. The obfuscation might be either unintentional or intentional (although intent usually is connoted), and is accomplished with circumlocution (talking around the subject), the use of jargon (technical language of a profession), and …

110299 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 7, #882 of 1269 🔗

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8681877/Coronavirus-cases-Scotland-hit-three-month-high.html Nicola finding that she can’t stop the tide coming in. Meanwhile guess which country’s cases are in decline. Clue -starts with S and ends in N.

110328 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 2, #883 of 1269 🔗

Though of course the BBC can’t help themselves
“Several Swedish drug stores have reported a spike in demand for face masks, Reuters news agency reports, as authorities consider a change in policy on face coverings.
Unlike most other countries in Europe, Sweden hasn’t recommended the use of masks, and has kept many businesses and schools open.
But Swedes have reportedly been stockpiling for the last two weeks, after the country’s public health agency said it may issue new recommendations.
Online pharmacist Apotea said that, during the last few weeks, online sales of face masks have nearly tripled to around 400,000 a week, according to Reuters. Drug store Apoteket has also seen a 30% rise in recent weeks.
Par Svardson, Apotea’s chief executive, told Reuters he expects a five to 10-fold increase in face mask sales, should government recommendations change.
Sweden’s death toll relative to its population has been high compared with some European neighbours. But the figure is still lower than other countries like the UK and Spain which have adopted strict lockdowns.”

110451 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to arfurmo, 2, #884 of 1269 🔗

Interesting – I know no one who wears a mask here, nor who is considering it!

Lidl were advertising masks in their flyers a few weeks ago but have stopped now. Of course there are now uni students coming here from other countries, but I doubt they’d have found the apotea site yet even if they were wanting masks.

I suspect it might be older people buying masks, most over 70s have been isolating since March, but with the decline in infections they seem to be emerging and I have seen more elderly people on buses and in shops of late, some of whom have been wearing masks.. Also the furlough scheme is being phased out, so some people are being ‘forced’ out now, so they might be buying them?

110656 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Carrie, 1, #885 of 1269 🔗

Just more made up media shite

110573 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to arfurmo, 2, #886 of 1269 🔗

Might be speculators buying up stock to resell. Or given how untrustworthy the media are now it could just be made up like most stories about Sweden over the past months. Just can’t tell these days.

110406 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to arfurmo, #887 of 1269 🔗

Sudan? Is that because all it’s citizens are now housed in Hotels in Scotland?

110520 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to JohnB, #888 of 1269 🔗

Yes -you win!

110324 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #889 of 1269 🔗

Conservative Twins taken down by FaceBook for daring to be Black Conservatives


110329 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #890 of 1269 🔗

How very dare they! Biden (the hair sniffer) says “If you don’t vote for me you aint black”.

It’s so insulting and racist.

110388 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Laura Suckling, 3, #891 of 1269 🔗

If anyone is in any doubt that Biden is one sick puppy, please watch this


110401 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #892 of 1269 🔗

He also cannot string a coherent sentence together and looks like he has advancing dementia.

Hilary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi have said:

  • he’s not to be on the upcoming live presidential debates as his mental incapacity will become obvious to all
  • Biden is not to concede the election on election night no matter what
110410 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, #893 of 1269 🔗

Bill Clinton has very much gone that way too, I think it’s since Hilary had him neutered!

110431 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #894 of 1269 🔗

Says it all regarding what their real plan is!

110820 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Carrie, #895 of 1269 🔗

That’s what people need to worry about…why would they put Biden up as a candidate? unless of course they know, the candidate doesn’t matter.
Watch out for the misdirection – like a Siegfried & Roy trick, “Hey quick look over here, distraction, distraction!” while over there I make the Tiger disappear….

110818 ▶▶▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Awkward Git, #896 of 1269 🔗

….Despite previously saying anyone who refuses to accept an election result is a direct threat to democracy: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hillary-clinton-questioning-the-legitimacy-of-the-2016-election-is-a-direct-threat-to-our-democracy

110508 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #897 of 1269 🔗

There’s a worse one than that! Called ‘hair-sniffing’ or something..

110327 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 26, #898 of 1269 🔗

I have a new game that I play when I see people out and about dog walking and alike. Very early on, I’ll say something like ‘its all a load of rubbish, isn’t it?’

Without exception, everyone has then proceeded to agree with me. It’s like I’ve given them permission to say what they really think.

One neighbour was initially quite taken a back that I had challenged the dominant media/gov view. We chatted for 10 minutes or so before she finished by saying she found it refreshing that someone (me) was being honest. Hopefully, she then passed it on and felt able to be honest with others (as my wise Gran would have said).

I think and hope that a silent majority of sceptics is building. They may not be protesting in the streets but they’re coming round to the idea that what they’re hearing is BS. They hate wearing masks and are voting with their feet by not going anywhere that feels like the ‘new normal’. Many are also unable to get treatment from our NHS. Many more are utterly fed up that their lives are still pretty much on hold. Others are starting to really feel the economic impact.

Remember before the last general election when we were being told that we would be get a hung parliament or worse? Didn’t happen. The silent majority spoke.

Virtually nobody predicted the fall of the Soviet block. There was a silent majority who’d been building in the wings, waiting for their moment. When that moment came, it came quickly and decisively.

It may take some more time for the silent majority of lockdown sceptics to build and speak but they will.

Please keep the faith brilliant and amazing fellow Lockdown Sceptics.

The truth will out.

110353 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #899 of 1269 🔗

This has been my experience too. Only recently have I dared to say anything and I still don’t in some environments but I have been pleasantly surprised by the level of silent scepticism I have encountered when I have voiced my own. No idea if it will ever result in any changes to the current fear mongering policies though.

110369 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 5, #900 of 1269 🔗

Yes, I have found that too. Mentioned “coronabollocks” to a friend I hadn’t been in touch with for a while and she thought it was hilarious and agreed. Then said how she hates all the face masks etc.

Walking about in central London today – loads of people about – the vast majority not wearing masks except in places where they are expected to. I’d infer most people don’t like it, but go along with the rules as they just don’t want to get in trouble.

110331 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #901 of 1269 🔗

Off topic – Found this 1941 map while mooching darker corners of the internet looking for new saucepans of all things.

For those who are interested it came from here:


The writing below the map is interesting to say the least such as, or at least to me anyway:

A New World Moral Order for permanent peace and freedom shall be established at the successful conclusion of the present war.

The liberated British, French and Netherlands Guyana’s shall be reorganized as one state of the U.S.S.A.

In the New World Moral Order which we seek to establish, besides the essential political freedoms, the following fundamental economic changes are imperative:

(a) Nationalization of all natural resources and equitable distribution of same to all nations – everywhere in the world; – cannot get rid of the highlighting, sorry
(b) Nationalization of international banking, foreign investments, railroads and power plants – everywhere in the world;
(c) Nationalization of an armaments producing establishments by all remaining military powers;
(d) Federal control of foreign commerce and shipping;
(e) The establishment of a world common monetary system;
(f) World-wide limitations of interest rates to maximum of two percent.

To reduce the numerical power of the aggressor nations, as a potential military advantage, a Population Control Policy shall be elaborated and applied in the quarantined areas.

110435 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, #902 of 1269 🔗

Interesting but ominous….
Did you see this bit AG?:

The British Commonwealth of Nations, the second military and naval Power of importance cooperating in a binding compact with the U.S.A. as a Power for freedom, shall retain and acquire control of such territories, peace-security bases and strategic island outposts essential for the maintenance of world peace and freedom of the seas as outlined on map.’

110554 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Carrie, #903 of 1269 🔗

Yep, those bits and pieces at the bottom were very interesting but didn’t want to put too many on my comment.

110336 Edward, replying to Edward, 7, #904 of 1269 🔗

I always say prediction is a mug’s game, but since I’m now apparently a sociopath according to The Times (for not wearing a mask) I may as well be a mug too.
1. Schools will mostly go back, there’ll be a lot of ludicrously exaggerated coverage of minor incidents (“Johnny pulled my mask off!”), and any slight outbreak of the sniffles will be doom-mongered.
2. Job losses will mount up, but there’ll be a half-baked extension to the furlough scheme to try to alleviate this.
3. The hospitality and cultural sectors will stumble along at a low level of activity – a lot of the job losses will be here.
4. “Compulsory” face coverings will continue well into 2021, but enforcement will decline. Or maybe more enforcement if the usual winter colds and flu can be labelled as possible Covid-19.
5. There won’t be a vaccine before Christmas, but even if there is, people will be reluctant to take it until enough time has elapsed to assess the effectiveness and side-effects.
6. Limited crowds will be allowed back to football matches, but there might be some interesting behaviour by those who can’t get in.
7. My crystal ball gets a bit cloudy around Christmas time. Families will get together much as usual apart from the scaredy-cats.
8. There will be an autumn cabinet reshuffle. Williamson will be booted out and Hancock moved elsewhere. Their successors will be just as useless.
9. Johnson will hang on to “get Brexit done”, but stand down as PM later in 2021.

110344 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Edward, 3, #905 of 1269 🔗

Regarding Christmas Matt Hancock will be inspired by Scrooge:

More lock downs – a good chance to reduce the surplus population

110434 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #906 of 1269 🔗

Hancock must be properly salivating at the thought of cancelling Christmas…

110347 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Edward, #907 of 1269 🔗

Nice work fella. Been thinking along similar lines.

In a weird sort of dark way, I’m wanting something else big to kick off to shake the western world to its senses.

Maybe China invading Taiwan and blocking shipping routes would do it? Could easily happen I reckon. They have form (Tibet and HK), it’s been their stated intent for a long time, Xi has said he won’t pass the job to future generations, they’ve built up a massive military/navy, their enemies are weaker. So why not?

Like you say, predictions are a fools game. Mind you, its something pretty much all humans do!

110365 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #908 of 1269 🔗

Exactly (your last paragraph), it’s in our nature. Another thing I say is that, rather than rely on predictions, it’s more important to have contingency plans for various things which might happen. Not much sign of that in UK government policies, unless the conspiracy theories are correct. I’m still agnostic on that, inclining more to the cockup+international groupthink theory, but agreeing with the view that there is at least a commonality of interest among various entities (WEF, WHO, Gates etc) which they are actively pursuing.

110376 ▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Edward, #909 of 1269 🔗

Yep, contingency planning is part of the survival instinct.

110428 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #910 of 1269 🔗

“Maybe China invading Taiwan”

They don’t have the amphibious capability or experience.

110351 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Edward, #911 of 1269 🔗

Sounds about right.
7. I wouldn’t rule out them cancelling Christmas (like they effectively did with Eid when Manchester went into lockdown).
9. Can’t see BoJo standing down voluntarily – he’s wanted this job forever. But if it did come to pass, who’d you reckon would replace him?

110666 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to zacaway, #912 of 1269 🔗

Probably Gove as PM, or maybe Javid could come back as a “unity” candidate but they tried that with May and it didn’t work out well. Sunak, Raab and Patel currently have the three big jobs but not much experience.

110816 ▶▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Edward, #913 of 1269 🔗

Gove possibly. Sunak is a short price at the moment, mainly because most people think he hasn’t done too bad, & he seems like a jolly nice chap. I’m not convinced personally, that he has the chops. I’m sure he’s a decent guy, & as you say, experience is a factor, but is he the type to be a frontman, leading figure? IDK he has that kind of personality, would he even want the job?
How about David Miliband? he’s almost a Tory!! 🙂

110433 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Edward, 3, #914 of 1269 🔗

Schools may or may not “mostly go back” but whether they do or not on the current terms doesn’t cut much ice with me. The current terms for schools are utter bullshit and the experience will be vastly diminished. Any minister claiming credit for getting schools back to work deserves nothing but scorn. They must be back to normal, otherwise they get NO CREDIT.

Lest we forget, universities are going to be mainly online and with little or no social or sporting activity. Again, ZERO CREDIT.

110517 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Julian, #915 of 1269 🔗

And I saw stories today – sorry, don’t remember where – that it will be “too dangerous” for universities to reconvene, even with all the nonsensical rules they’re imposing on students.

110668 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Julian, #916 of 1269 🔗

Completely agree, I don’t have any close relatives in school but it sounds like it’ll be pretty horrible.

110528 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Edward, 1, #917 of 1269 🔗

If they even wanted to get rid of masks, what pretext would they use?

The genie is out of the bottle

110679 ▶▶ Norma McNormalface, replying to Edward, #918 of 1269 🔗

I predict that Tedros goes down in a ball of flames.

110817 ▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Norma McNormalface, #919 of 1269 🔗

One can only hope!

110337 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #920 of 1269 🔗

SAVE Leicester FACTS – This is INSANITY!


110355 ▶▶ Alice, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #921 of 1269 🔗

This shows us why people believe in conspiracy theories: it very difficult to believe in ignorance and incompetence in cases like this.

110378 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #922 of 1269 🔗

Madness. Must call my Mum in Leicester. She won’t be happy! She’s 86 and chomping at the bit to get back to normality.

110345 Jane, replying to Jane, #923 of 1269 🔗

Regarding the second Round-Up item, when I tried to access the Principia page I got this:

Why am I seeing this page? Is there anything that I can do? Understanding Filesystem Permissions How to modify your .htaccess file How to modify file and directory permissions

110374 ▶▶ rms, replying to Jane, #924 of 1269 🔗

Looks like they changed the target web site at Principia Scientific. I’ll inform the web masters this LockdownSkeptics site. The current URL is now: https://principia-scientific.com/finally-cdc-admits-just-9210-americans-died-from-covid19/

110555 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to rms, #925 of 1269 🔗

Editor, that link is still taking me to an ‘error’ page…

110358 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #926 of 1269 🔗

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has published a report stating that just 6% of COVID-19 deaths listed the only cause of death as coronavirus and no other comorbidities.


110814 ▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #927 of 1269 🔗

The MSM are sorry it’s not headline news – but they’re urgently doing investigative work to determine if Ivanka Trump’s 3 year old son did a lego model by himself, or ‘did he require some adult assistance’. It’s gripping stuff, but as they said,- we urgently need to know. I’m truly glad they’re on the case. They’re also urgently tracking Barron Trump’s hairdresser to get the must-know news about the specifics of his haircut. I’m sure we’ll get some more pandemic news at some point. next week maybe? 🙂

110361 Laura Suckling, replying to Laura Suckling, 12, #928 of 1269 🔗

I made the mistake of listening to the radio in the car this afternoon. LBC, Shelagh Fogarty, talking about how on a TUI flight some were not wearing masks.

The conversation continued (she had a guest – I tuned in too late to hear who he was) disgusted that the staff had not done the security guard thing and insisted on all passengers wearing masks. Of course, those heretics were granny killers.

They continued with, unless eating or drinking masks should be worn at all times. For goodness sake! If you allow the removal of masks for eating and drinking what the hell is the point?

Two minutes later I saw a driver masked in her own car (presumably to prevent infecting herself), what madness.

If we can remember, during the first weeks of lockdown we were allowed to shop without masks and the total number of Covid deaths yesterday was one.

The totally illogicality of this MUST compute to everyone eventually.

110371 ▶▶ Humanity First, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #929 of 1269 🔗

I hope so too. But people in a trance or under hypnosis (or paralyzed by fear) don’t respond to logic…maybe another kind of approach is needed to snap them out of it?

110432 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Laura Suckling, 3, #930 of 1269 🔗

The Ku Klux Karen walk among us.

110364 Humanity First, replying to Humanity First, 23, #931 of 1269 🔗

Some say the term “conspiracy theorist” was invented by the CIA to smear people who were asking too many questions about President Kennedy’s assassination.

I like this definition by Prof Dave Callum of Cornell University:

“I am a ‘conspiracy theorist’. I believe men and women of wealth and power conspire. If you don’t think so, then you are what is called ‘an idiot’. If you believe stuff but fear the label, you are what is called ‘a coward’.

110368 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Humanity First, 1, #932 of 1269 🔗

Brilliant. Just brilliant. Will be recycling that one! Thank you.

110373 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Humanity First, 1, #933 of 1269 🔗

Great quote. So true

110377 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Humanity First, 12, #934 of 1269 🔗

Another thought. If someone had said last year that a year later most of the western world would be locked down for something no more dangerous than a bad bout of winter flu then they would have been called a crazy nutty conspiracy theorist!

110387 ▶▶▶ Humanity First, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 5, #935 of 1269 🔗

And at the same time censor any debate at all about the safety of injecting billions of people with rushed vaccines…

… or the long term effects on human health of the frequency spectrum included in 5g (which has actually been studied for decades for its military applications on how to most effectively harm/kill people) ….here’s an example…


110382 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Humanity First, 1, #936 of 1269 🔗

Good quote. But specific conspiracy theories need critical examination like anything else. I don’t want to go too off-topic, but my feeling about the Kennedy assassination is that while there are unexplained features, if there had been a major conspiracy it would have come out by now, more than 50 years on.

110395 ▶▶▶ Humanity First, replying to Edward, 1, #937 of 1269 🔗

Agreed. All rationally plausible theories need impartial and critical review, especially if they will have fundamental and far-reaching on human health and well-being .

I don’t have enough knowledge (or interest) about the background facts to the Kennedy assassination to have a strong view on it so will have to suspend judgment on that one.

110809 ▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Edward, #938 of 1269 🔗

I’ve studied it. Don’t forget,Oswald as the sole killer is a theory too: fire 3 shots through a tree (better than an FBI sharpshooter, who could not duplicate the feat, sans tree) with a rifle that had a defective scope, wipe it clean of prints, run down the stairs past 2 witnesses who never see him, and show up on the 2nd floor not out of breath in under 90 sec. Also a nitrate test indicated he hadn’t fired a rifle that day…

At the risk of going too far off topic there’s plenty of good starting points: Deputy AG Katzenbach (essentially deputizing for grieving RFK) writes a memo to the LBJ White House literally 25/11 as JFK is being buried, about the need to “convince the public” that Oswald was the sole assassin & cut off any speculation about motive; JFK’s clothing retrieved from the National Archives had zero evidence of a bullet passing through it (destroys the official narrative); memo from J Edgar Hoover as early as 1960 claiming that someone was using Lee Harvey Oswald’s identity(!) ; Multiple SS agents on record claiming they believe in conspiracy.
RFK Jr has also talked about it in some detail, particularly regards to anti-castro Cuban exiles who had known operations with CIA planners – planning a follow up to the botched Bay of Pigs, JFK constantly resisted. RFK jr also found out, the Mayor of Dallas was a contractor on CIA payroll at the time of the JFK trip. His brother was former Deputy CIA Director – JFK had fired him… Anyway, enough banging on from me. oh what a deadly web we weave when first we practice to deceive… 🙂

110793 ▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Humanity First, 1, #939 of 1269 🔗

Great quote indeed. The label ‘conspiracy theory’ is indeed bizarre. Any time you hear it, I always wonder if the person knows the answer to:
Did multiple people conspire in a plot to kill President Lincoln?
Did Lyndon Johnson conspire to fake the Gulf of Tonkin incident?
Did the US & UK conspire to take us into a war in the middle east that, at the very least, shall we say stretched the definition of legality?
Did the FBI conspire to covertly monitor John Lennon? Did the CIA engage in secret mind control experiments via its Mkultra program?
Did Oliver North & half the Reagan cabinet conspire to fund Nicaraguan contras via arms deals to Iran? Did Tories conspire to try and take down Margaret Thatcher?
“Sure… but conspiracy theories are never true…!”

110366 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #940 of 1269 🔗

N hs Louise Hampton – Nurse Whistle blower – MUST WATCH AND SHARE


110372 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #941 of 1269 🔗

She is great

110375 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #942 of 1269 🔗

see the daily mail story on it…. especially the comments, 16,500 likes on the most popular- sceptical- all the top comments are

110414 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to NickR, 1, #943 of 1269 🔗

Go back in a couple of hours and see how the 77th trolls have come out in force…..

110507 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #944 of 1269 🔗

The DM comments section is usually dominated by sceptics. Not all articles, but most of them anyway.

110643 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #945 of 1269 🔗

And it was not always the case. Back in March the lockdownophiles were dominating. Started to switch in May and momentum has built since then.

110380 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #947 of 1269 🔗

FROM ANOTHER SITE https://www.keepbritainfree.com/
I trust you are all aware of this document that the government uploaded on Friday night – just before the bank holiday weekend! It is staggering and extremely worrying. Here’s the link, some extracts (in italics) and my comments:


It is a ‘consultation’ (not) document on extending the powers of the govt to authorise unlicensed drugs *i.e covid vaccines, or any others they feel like giving you; recruit an army of people to apply this to you; and absolve the world and his wife from ANY responsibility if anyone should suffer an adverse effect, or, god forbid, die. Extracts:

From the introduction: “ It is important to emphasise, however, that although some of the measures specifically reference COVID-19 and flu vaccines, the proposed changes will also facilitate the efficient mass distribution of treatments for COVID-19, or for any other disease that poses a serious risk to public health. A scary licence to ‘print money’, i.e. do whatever they like re the nation’s health when and if they feel like it. Unprecedented behaviour that ‘the man on the street,’ will, as you say, have absolutely no idea about. Can only shake my head.

“Currently, the HMRs require that only ‘appropriate practitioners’ administer vaccines, as they are a parenterally administered (for example by injection) prescription-only medicine. Appropriate practitioners are defined under regulation 214 as doctors and other qualified prescribers. An expanded workforce is required to ensure that the COVID-19 vaccine can be safely deployed widely as soon as it should become available, given the capacity constraints of the current workforce that can administer vaccines. Furthermore, an expanded workforce eligible for administering the flu vaccine may be required, given the recent announcement of an expanded flu vaccination programme this winter. Millions more could receive the flu vaccine than received it last year, so there is a need to ensure the workforce comprises enough people to deliver these additional vaccinations. There is a possibility that both the flu vaccine and the COVID-19 vaccine will be delivered at the same time, and we need to make sure that in this scenario there is sufficient workforce to allow for this.” I guess we can ask our MP to consider whether he would really wish for him and his family to receive a rushed-through, unproven vaccine, that may change his genes, leave him with a ‘digital tattoo etc . .

It is described as a ‘consultation’; document, but . .

“It is important to explain at the outset the relatively limited nature of this consultation exercise. Therefore, the following 3 limitations should be borne in mind: 1  Timing – all done by Friday 18th Sept. Just over three weeks! So, just window dressing. 2  Targeted Discussions “Even though we are happy to receive comments from anyone, the purpose of this consultation exercise is to engage directly with specific stakeholders that we have identified. The UK government will be holding discussions with those stakeholders, at which it will be going into further detail about the proposals. This consultation document has been produced to support those discussions. What that means, in practice, is that the consultees to whom this document is addressed are a specialist audience, made up of people and organisations that we would expect have a detailed knowledge of the legislative and practical context in which these proposals sit – and also of the likely impact of the measures.” i.e. ‘Not ‘you!’ Just the pharmaceutical companies and research groups/’scientists’ and govt advisers and the NHS (and their lawyers, no doubt) . .
3. High-level nature of the proposals – “This consultation is about the changes to the UK regulatory framework for human medicines, which are being introduced to clarify the regulatory context that is relevant to mass vaccination.”
i.e. to adjust/confirm the laws which make everyone involved in this (doctors, pharmaceutical companies, research groups, people vaccinating you etc.) absolutely immune from liability and give a greater range of people the right and permission to vaccinate you, with no responsibility for any adverse effects.

This needs to be challenged forcefully now. One person I showed it to, said, ‘this sounds like Dominic Cummings’ . .

110404 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #948 of 1269 🔗

Bullshit alert! The word “stakeholder” is used. This means that the document has been written by people who don’t know what the fuck they are talking about. In other words, they are bullshitters, and extremely dangerous ones at that.

110412 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tenchy, 6, #949 of 1269 🔗

Unfortunately dangerous bullshitters seem to be weilding a lot of power right now.

110425 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Tenchy, 1, #950 of 1269 🔗

Yep, touched by the hand of management consultants for sure.

110427 ▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #951 of 1269 🔗

AKA the masters of bullshit bingo

110460 ▶▶ Kate, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #952 of 1269 🔗

Doctors have a medical code of ethics. How do they feel about their profession being used to enforce compliance in this insanity? This is similar to the worst abuses of medicine in totalitarian systems.

110532 ▶▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Kate, 3, #953 of 1269 🔗

Doctors have decided not to have ethics anymore, that is the only way to justify not seeing ill-people anymore.

110560 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #954 of 1269 🔗

Hope you have completed all the boxes on the form and submitted it, see my post below.

110752 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #955 of 1269 🔗

Hope you’ll use the link I gave yesterday and repeated earlier today to complete all the boxes on the online comment form. They don’t want you to find it, they don’t want you to use it – but we will.

110383 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 21, #956 of 1269 🔗

Reported Deaths

Yesterday: 1

Today: 2

Cue Headline:

DEATHS DOUBLE IN 24 HOURS !!!!! The highest EVER recorded deaths of Covid on an August Bank Holiday

110391 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #957 of 1269 🔗

That’s a massive (relative) increase. We’re all doomed, doomed I say.

110424 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 9, #958 of 1269 🔗

We obviously are all doomed.

We should all stay inside and cower under our duvets. If we must venture out, we must wear ; masks, goggles and visors and keep 2 metres apart. Probably safer to wear all the above in our own homes. Perhaps someone can invent (if they haven’t already) a waterproof mask for the shower.

I have masked up my cat (just in case) and have invested in a megaphone so I can admonish heretics from the safety of my own bedroom.

My son lives with me and we have installed an intercom system so that we need not get too close.

All my shopping is delivered, and, as instructed left at the bottom of my front garden. I am keeping the shopping at a safe distance for the required 72 hours.

All my post is quarantined until safe.

I will continue with the safety protocol above, until I die and get eaten by my cat.

110458 ▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #959 of 1269 🔗

That made me chuckle (lots). Thank you.

Off to put a silly amount of PPE on before walking the dogs over the fields. Better safe than sorry folks!

110515 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #960 of 1269 🔗

I think you have forgotten the gloves

110584 ▶▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to arfurmo, 3, #961 of 1269 🔗


Obviously, whilst continuing the protocols above, I wear double (and sometimes treble) gloves. Regularly, this causes a problem with my usual ablutions.

Being a contact lens wearer I have not enjoyed the crunchy carpet that has appeared on my bathroom floor.

My cat has recently disappeared . Strangely, I think she has decamped next door (to a house of heretic anti lockdown miscreants). I cannot be sure, but I think I saw her at the window giving me a two pads salute – I have not idea what this could mean (and she wasn’t wearing a mask).

110396 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #962 of 1269 🔗

Sad but highly likely.

Lies, damn lies and statistics – who first said that?

110397 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #964 of 1269 🔗

Surely “100% increase in deaths” is far more likely to instil the necessary level of panic?

110419 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Lucan Grey, 4, #965 of 1269 🔗

“at least 100% increase ” – let’s scare the plebs into thinking it could be far more

110506 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #966 of 1269 🔗

And for people who think they’re clever because they do maths good… exponentially increasing!

110472 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #967 of 1269 🔗

Since 1987 there have been five deaths caused by violence at Notting Hill Carnival

110389 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 15, #968 of 1269 🔗

The madness seems to point to one thing, chaos until vaccination, which will work in tandem with the Green Industry, ie vaccination ID before travel, work, education etc. All governments and establishments must be getting some payment to do it, they wouldn’t wreck their business or economies for nothing and as its obvious the virus has been overblown, exaggerated, inflated and embellished, the trillions the Pharma and the Green industry are hoping to make from this must make it financially viable.

110394 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #969 of 1269 🔗

great post

110403 ▶▶ Humanity First, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #970 of 1269 🔗

I think it is quite plausible that there has been some kind of high-level deal/understanding among the big powers US, China, USSR on how the post COVID world/economy will be ‘shared’…

The (US- backed) IMF has been doling out lots of cash (I guess dollar-denominated loans) to countries for ‘COVID assistance’ on the condition that they impose strict lockdown measures (as revealed by the the President of Belarus)

110438 ▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Humanity First, 7, #971 of 1269 🔗

It is clearly some kind of economic reset. The virus is being used as an alibi. And it will most probably favour the already wealthy, even though it is being sold as “Green”. I think the financial markets must have been getting truly unstable and unsustainable for them to act now. Because if you consider the impact in job losses, the social instability and likelihood of violent unrest, particularly in the US, this must be a real concern, so I feel they must have been forced in some way by events to take these measures now.
However our government’s fear of social unrest must explain the eagerness to withdraw freedoms and impose surveillance.

110441 ▶▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Kate, 4, #972 of 1269 🔗

also it looks to me as if they are attempting to foment unrest by setting different groups against each other – to have an excuse to crack down harder.

110463 ▶▶▶▶ Humanity First, replying to Kate, 2, #973 of 1269 🔗

Also, as much as I admire Peter Hitchens’ brave and principled stance on masks, he is still sticking resolutely to his original explanation of all of this: that the government is distilling power out of fear.

Of course that is true but to what end? For some reason he refuses (or is fearful?) to go beyond this point.

The dots are now very obvious. He should connect them.

110467 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Humanity First, 2, #974 of 1269 🔗

Yes, I am frustrated with Hitchens over this.

110470 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Kate, 5, #975 of 1269 🔗

It is not incompetence on our government’s part, it is intentional. As it is in all the developed economies. I wish Hitchens could get past that point.

110502 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Kate, #976 of 1269 🔗
110577 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Kate, 7, #977 of 1269 🔗

Well he either doesn’t believe it or feels it unnecessary to go that far for the purposes of the immediate argument

Government actions are utterly wrong on their face –
no need to go into motives

Hitchens has been 100% solidly against the madness from day 1 and has never let up and has a platform in a mainstream newspaper and posts tirelessly on Twitter

He has been a tremendous ally

110478 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Humanity First, 4, #978 of 1269 🔗

You may be right – but don’t underestimate how narcissists and psychopaths simply enjoy power.

The country quite happily elected members of these pathological groups to government.

… and this is what we’ve got.

110511 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Humanity First, replying to RickH, 3, #979 of 1269 🔗

I don’t deny that Johnson/Hancock are enjoying their power trip and are wholly incompetent …but for me it doesn’t even get close to being the primary or sufficient reason(s) to explain this once in human history event we are witnessing in our country and around the world.

110495 ▶▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Kate, #980 of 1269 🔗

I remember Saudi Arabia started an oil price war just before all this. Could that have made the US feel its economic dominance was threatened enough to start something like this?

110509 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Kate, 2, #981 of 1269 🔗

America are self sufficient in oil now because of the shale revolution.Saudi were probably told to bring the oil price down to weaken Russia,

110521 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #982 of 1269 🔗

but what about the petrodollar system? That has been undermined by Russia and China recently..


110772 ▶▶▶▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Kate, #983 of 1269 🔗

I believe Trump has got the US to actually be a net energy exporter

110487 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Humanity First, 2, #984 of 1269 🔗

Event 201 in NY in October 2019 showed the way

110497 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Humanity First, #985 of 1269 🔗

See the website AG posted, dated from before Pearl Harbour!

110420 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, 13, #986 of 1269 🔗

I wouldn’t assume vaccination will finish this. The really dangerous thing is the move to a new mindset whereby public health “emergencies” can be more or less fabricated riding on the back of some new virus strain, or even the threat of them, and used as a pretext for indefinite emergency powers.

110481 ▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Julian, 2, #987 of 1269 🔗

Which is an abuse of medicine. Doctors need to consider their professional code of ethics and speak out against this.

110482 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Julian, #988 of 1269 🔗

Magnificent isn’t it?

110484 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 3, #989 of 1269 🔗

Yes. Looking at it from the psych/sociopath perspective, the possibility of subduing victims has been proven to be remarkably easy.

Don’t expect them to abandon this discovery quickly or easily.

110489 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Julian, #990 of 1269 🔗


110493 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, 1, #991 of 1269 🔗

Yes, just look at the government’s consultation document on using an unlicensed vaccine where it even mentions this..
And right from the start we heard the phrase ‘new normal’, before they could ever realistically have known that much about the virus or its consequences, unless this was all planned…

110669 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #992 of 1269 🔗

I love how they have managed to link a ‘green new deal’ (which they wanted pre Covid-19) to being the solution for economic recovery. Also facial recognition technology which the police were getting challenged on using by Big Brother Watch is now also another solution for Covid-19. Why is an increase in the size of the surveillance state required for a virus that appear pretty much gone?

110398 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 19, #993 of 1269 🔗

Spotted on FB:

At Gulliver’s Dinsosaur park and farm in Milton Keynes, their rules are that children over the age of three must wear a face covering on all attractions and rides.

One to boycott!

110411 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #994 of 1269 🔗

Come to Otley mate. Your kids will have a great time, no masks and it’ll cost you nowt!

110480 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #995 of 1269 🔗

one to write some stroppy letters to I think

110566 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #996 of 1269 🔗

A whole load of bollocks. Dressed up as science. Insane.

110629 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #997 of 1269 🔗

Death Wish alert no 94!

Seriously we need to have a list of companies, shops, restaurants, visitor attractions so that people could vote with their feet and wallets!

110399 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 14, #998 of 1269 🔗

Otley getting better?

A nice sunny afternoon here in West Yorkshire and crowds of people around town, in the park and walking along the river bank.Not one mask to be seen outdoors whereas a couple of weeks ago there was a smattering. The ‘Covid shuffle’, whereby people give you a wide birth, has gone the way of that old TV spectacular of many years ago ‘Come dancing’ hopefully, never to be seen again.
Hire boats and pedillos doing a roaring trade with no evidence that I could see of ridiculous procedures designed to make you feel like a walking disease carrier. The playground, by the river—which, had it been in existence in my part of the North east when I grew up would have been the eighth wonder of the world—was crammed to capacity. The two council notices at both ends of said playground stated: ‘Capacity at any one time—22’. It gave me great pleasure to stop counting at over a hundred! What does this ridiculous signage mean any way? Twenty two? Who arrives at these figures? And what exactly does it cover? Twenty two adults, kids, dogs, cats, a combined mixture? the clarity of this message is about as clear as the person’s brain who designed the signs in the first place. Probably some council employee on paid furlough making it up at home.

I passed a fella walking his dog that had a neckerchief round its collar. Quick as a flash I said: “Is that designed so that he can use it as a mask when he goes into a shop”? Dog walker laughed out loud as did I—-I thought it was quite witty—If I say so myself.

But talking about numbers. I was in my bank last week and outside it said ‘only two people allowed inside at a time’. I peered in and was hesitant to enter until beckoned to do so by a cashier. There were nine in total including staff so where does the two fit in?

And in Ilkley last week a shop had a notice outside stating: ‘number of people at one time—17’ I thought about trying to peer in and counting the folk in there but I couldn’t be ars*d and just walked past. I hadn’t intended to go in anyway but I was so intrigued by the number 17.

I’m confident that the craziness is on the wane. Today, Otley seemed pretty normal. Say what you like about the British but when it comes to their bank holidays woe betide anyone who tries to stop their pleasure—-especially when the sun is out!

110417 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Harry hopkins, 10, #999 of 1269 🔗

A lot of people have moved on, not just hardcore sceptics. We just need them to start pushing back a bit more once they start to realise it’s not going to be over until they do.

110446 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #1000 of 1269 🔗

I’m starting to wonder if I’m living in the wrong part of the country. Perhaps I need to consider getting away from the south coast – it’s getting scary down here.

110449 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Harry hopkins, 6, #1001 of 1269 🔗

You should come to keighley, loads wearing masks in the street, including young people. Everyone in Sainsbury’s wears a mask, including staff. It’s quite depressing.

110474 ▶▶ Biggles, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1002 of 1269 🔗

It does seem to vary quite a bit depending where you live. I’m in Co Durham and was in town this morning. People are still masking up to go into shops but there are very few wearing masks when outside, maybe 5%. This is a big difference from four weeks ago when those in masks in the street were around 50%.

110402 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #1003 of 1269 🔗

Piers Corbyn: It’s “quite likely” Sadiq Khan was responsible for my arrest at anti-lockdown protest

110616 ▶▶ Tangelo, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #1004 of 1269 🔗

That Ian Collins is a right arse!

110405 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 14, #1005 of 1269 🔗

More covid nonsense spotted on FB:

First post folks…im in Scotland…my local authority GP practice body had declared that from last week..no one will be seen by a GP..fullstop..not just ” during lockdown” .the “new normal” is now phone consult unless the GP deems face to face necessary.
This cant be legal and is certainly immoral.
Another example of “rules” being made without consultation..and procedures being imposed.

110413 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1006 of 1269 🔗

Let no good crisis go to waste.

This is what we saved the NHS for.

110418 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1007 of 1269 🔗


Look at this account of how GP’s have been supposed to do a ‘frailty audit’ of people over 65. Shocking. They’re getting paid to do this, have they done one for you/your parent?

110421 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to NickR, 2, #1008 of 1269 🔗

If you are deemed ‘frail’, what is the consequence? A DNR put on your file?

110443 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Carrie, 3, #1009 of 1269 🔗

I don’t want to get near a GP ever again. Since I’m over 60, I expect they would add a DNR to my file.

110436 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1010 of 1269 🔗

Your lucky our practice of 6 GPS just downed tools and went on holiday, never to be seen again. They are still being paid though

110445 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Cheezilla, #1011 of 1269 🔗

I thought Matt Hancock announced that it would be telemedicine first from now on. I can’t remember exactly when he said that, but I’m fairly sure that he did.

110504 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to ConstantBees, #1012 of 1269 🔗

When was this? Link?

110754 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Carrie, #1013 of 1269 🔗

He made a speech about this to the Royal College of GPs (Royal Soc? ) luke warm reception.

110767 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, #1014 of 1269 🔗

Thanks – I’ll have to look that up.

110501 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1015 of 1269 🔗

So glad they didn’t get one clap out of me

110609 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1016 of 1269 🔗

Time to get all your taxes back, so you can spend them on private health insurance.
In other countries at least they have an option.

The scariest thing is it demonstrates how many GPs are thick and unable to calculate relative risk

110686 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #1017 of 1269 🔗

So run the NHS into the ground, whilst at the same time signalling virtue

110784 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #1018 of 1269 🔗

Yes, that is what the people running the NHS and the tik tok dancers have done.

110422 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #1019 of 1269 🔗
110461 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #1020 of 1269 🔗

Tony Heller is a diamond geezer. He’s been posting some crackers of late.

110462 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #1021 of 1269 🔗

Agree, he has some good stuff

110479 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #1022 of 1269 🔗
110429 Fingerache Philip., 6, #1023 of 1269 🔗

Miss,Miss, some of the passengers aren’t wearing their face nappies, nah,nah,nah.

110440 ConstantBees, replying to ConstantBees, 26, #1024 of 1269 🔗

Disturbing observations over the weekend here on the south coast. In addition to increasing numbers of people wearing masks while simply walking down the road:

  1. Two women got off the bus I was riding. I looked down from the top deck and realised they were both wearing plastic gloves in addition to their masks. They stood in front of a bin and carefully peeled off their gloves. Then one of the women put her hand on the front of her mask to take it off – undoing all her care in wearing the gloves. I see more people using masks improperly than properly.
  2. Late yesterday afternoon I went for a walk in a local park. Beautiful sunshine, of course. A masked young man came walking towards me up this long path in the middle of a grassy area. Then I realised, to my horror, that he was also wearing gloves. As he got closer, he saw the expression on my face. I could swear he had some kind of cultish leer on his face under the mask. Truly frightening how young people seem to be embracing the mask cult.
  3. This afternoon I was riding on the top deck of another bus. Only me and one other person – a young man, happily not masked. There was another person with an exemption card downstairs. A young woman and her daughter came up stairs and the woman’s face filled with horror at the sight of two unmasked people. She hadn’t escaped from the unmasked! She looked like she was barely able to keep herself together and was making an effort not to frighten her child. I had my exemption card on its lanyard around my neck, but I doubt that mattered to her. I think if she’d been alone, she would have started screaming at us. I’m still shaken by it.

We are truly surrounded by the damned. This is beginning to feel more and more like some kind of zombie apocalypse.

110450 ▶▶ Julian, replying to ConstantBees, 13, #1025 of 1269 🔗

I know what you mean, but there are lots of others who have totally moved on from the virus. One oughtn’t to focus too much on the sadder cases

110473 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Julian, 10, #1026 of 1269 🔗

It’s hard not to focus on the sadder cases, as you call them, when you’re riding the bus with them every day. I think public transport users have been forgotten by the car-driving public. We live with the misery of masks every day – even those of us who carry exemption cards.

110533 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to ConstantBees, 5, #1027 of 1269 🔗

I rely on public transport and know exactly what you mean. It’s hard always being in a minority and knowing that the people around you may well be perceiving you as a biohazard. But I also appreciate Julian’s point: we have to be in this for the long haul, and it’s too tiring and also a waste of thinking time to be feeling terrible about this every day – if one can at times distract oneself from it. Julian is right that these people are sad cases: their lives have been captured by a fantasy of plague and death.

110568 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #1028 of 1269 🔗

Sorry, yes, used to like public transport
Have bought a car

110454 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to ConstantBees, 5, #1029 of 1269 🔗

It seems to me that the people in the North of England may be the ones who are coming out of this madness first. Historically speaking ‘Jarrow marchers’ and tough Yorkshire folk have always had to put up with ‘sh*t’ from those in charge.

110476 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1030 of 1269 🔗

I’ve been thinking about moving back to the Midlands. I’m not sure I’m ready to go all the way north again, although I’ll admit I’m looking at housing in Skipton right now on Rightmove.

110488 ▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #1031 of 1269 🔗

We went to the Dales and Cumbria a couple of weeks ago. It was horrid, far far more dystopian than Notts. Face masks everywhere, inside and out. Lots of very scared folk and elaborate queuing systems.

My wife and daughter are in Brighton this weekend. They tell me that its super relaxed down there and far better than the North West.

Would be a (mildly) interesting piece of research to look into what characterises a bedwetter vs a sceptic.

110491 ▶▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #1032 of 1269 🔗

Sorry that last sentence really should have read –

Would be a (mildly) interesting piece of research to look into what characterises an upstanding member of society vs a dangerous corona sceptic’.

110465 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to ConstantBees, 11, #1033 of 1269 🔗

I’m on the south coast and away from buses and shops, ie sea front and eateries, I’ve found the opposite, people seem to look at the muzzled as if they are mad, which they are of course.

110486 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1034 of 1269 🔗

I have wondered about moving inland as well. I’m within a short walk of the sea here and it seems like a powder keg.

110510 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #1035 of 1269 🔗

haven’t found that at all, no masks where I go, cafe’s etc on the coast

110683 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1036 of 1269 🔗

Yeah, same here on the east coast, mostly relaxed.

110547 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #1037 of 1269 🔗

Be kind….

110471 tonys, replying to tonys, 8, #1038 of 1269 🔗

BBC news tonight lead with the Cardiff Zante flight that seemingly riddled half of Wales with the Covid plague. The item started with a classic Karengrupenfuhrer, a passenger on the plane who proceeded to tell the world that her fellow less enlightened flyers had not ‘educated themselves’ (yes her very words) on the correct use of the face mask, the very clear implication being that this was the reason the cases had been found, there was of course no evidence offered for this assertion and the actual evidence based conclusion that it showed masks do not work failed somehow to show up in this masterpiece of BBC misdirection.

110498 ▶▶ Will, replying to tonys, 3, #1039 of 1269 🔗

I don’t know how you can bring yourself to watch or listen to any BBC news. The only, non drama, I can handle is test match special and Jonny Walker on a Sunday afternoon.

110513 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to tonys, 4, #1040 of 1269 🔗

They only want the rich and elite to have the passport to go cavorting around the world, as they have all summer, they want the planet for themselves.

110522 ▶▶ Julian, replying to tonys, 4, #1041 of 1269 🔗

BBC = evil

110543 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Julian, 2, #1042 of 1269 🔗


110654 ▶▶ Edward, replying to tonys, 2, #1043 of 1269 🔗

Is anyone from the plane actually ill? Or did they just test positive?

110483 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #1044 of 1269 🔗

Here is a very rough compilation of clips from Saturdays demo. No narrative or interviews, just raw footage. I’ll add a mirror, in case it get’s taken down. Please feel free to spread, share, steal or borrow.


110499 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #1045 of 1269 🔗

Great! gives a sense of what it was like.

110485 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1046 of 1269 🔗

DT live: Britons are scrambling to make the most of the final day of the Eat Out to Help Out scheme before it ends tonight.
Diners have been queuing for hours outside some establishments on Bank Holiday Monday to receive the discount, which offers people half price restaurant food up to £10 per person.

What a waste of a day!

110490 ▶▶ Will, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #1047 of 1269 🔗

64 million covers, still no spike in cases and one death in the whole of the UK…

110494 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, 19, #1048 of 1269 🔗

My friend asked us out to an indian tonight but the waiters are wearing face nappies, I just couldn’t face it. I am fairly sad about this right now. I would have liked to have gone. Face nappies are POISON. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE??

110542 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Two-Six, 9, #1049 of 1269 🔗

I honestly believe now that if Hancock told us that wearing a traffic cone on our heads would ward off the virus, some dopes would. Be kind.

110546 ▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1050 of 1269 🔗

I’ve been pondering this today , just amongst my family and friends I would say only one thinks they are a good idea , the rest are simply conforming as they don’t feel that strongly to invite confrontation .

110606 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1051 of 1269 🔗

Been standard procedure here since restaurants reopened. I would love to see the smile of a server again in my lifetime please!

110605 ▶▶ Badgerman, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1052 of 1269 🔗

What a waste of money that the govt has borrowed on our behalf for our grandchildren to pay back.

110492 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1053 of 1269 🔗

DT Live: John Swinney announced updated guidance for schools making it mandatory for pupils and staff to wear masks because of the “difficulty” of physical distancing in “crowded corridor environments”.
……. “ We’ve got to make sure that the wearing of face coverings in schools becomes essentially a habitual part of school life ,” he said.
“In our guidance, we make it clear that young people should be encouraged and motivated and required to do that, but it should not result in exclusion from school if they don’t do that.

Wouldn’t it be nice if they all concertedly “forgot their face nappies” ?

110514 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, #1054 of 1269 🔗

Who’s John Swinney?

110516 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Carrie, 2, #1055 of 1269 🔗

A gobshite.

110527 ▶▶▶ Gillian, replying to Carrie, 4, #1056 of 1269 🔗

You are SO lucky that you don’t know who he is. He’s so thick it’s scary. Did you ever hear of Named Person? He was responsible for that farce. Wish I lived south of the border.

110545 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Gillian, #1057 of 1269 🔗

That law is frightening when you read what it means, not what it says.

110552 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Gillian, #1058 of 1269 🔗

Ok, so he is Scottish – I’ve heard about that ‘named person’ stuff – basically trying to take ownership and control over all children, wasn’t it? Sidelining parents…

110567 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Carrie, 1, #1059 of 1269 🔗

It’s this one:


It’s the bits about “targeted intervention” and “detain the child in secure accommodation” that frightens me the most.

110703 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Carrie, #1060 of 1269 🔗

Scotland’s so called education secretary.

110725 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #1061 of 1269 🔗

Basically second in command. Like Robin to batman, but much, much more sinister. Creepy to look at and has introduced a horrific sex education curriculum. Truly, really, wrong. Also a proponent of the Named Person scheme which was roundly defeated for being a huge overstep of government.

Search and you shall find explanation.

110701 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1062 of 1269 🔗

The Scottish Government are even bigger bed wetters than Boris & co. If Nicola Sturgeon had her way we’d be under house arrest indefinitely up here. They only agreed to reopen the schools after a massive outcry and now there’s new ‘Covid secure’ horse shit introduced every other day. Compliance with this nonsense in Scotland seems higher than elsewhere in the UK but I suppose that’s the consequence of having half the population hero worshipping St Nicola and hanging on to her every word. Honestly, she could tell them to sacrifice their first born to cure coronavirus and they’d do it.

110719 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #1063 of 1269 🔗

Your assessment of the snp cult causing a tighter adherence to the freakish rules/law/whatever is accurate in my view.

110500 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 30, #1064 of 1269 🔗

At some point between now and 2025, we’ll come out of this situation and the government will say this.

Covid 19 was an unprecedented virus that caused chaos and suffering on a global level. In March 2020 we had to impose a variety of strict measures. If we hadn’t have done this we’d have had 480,000 people die from the virus during the first wave. We successfully managed to limit the deaths to around 40k. Well we’re not sure of the actual numbers but 40k sounds plausible, so we’re sticking with it. Please don’t look at any data about actual numbers.

We managed to successfully open up the country again. with restrictions in place to avoid a second wave, which would have killed 80,000 people. I say opened up in the loosest sense of the word. We avoided this second wave though and have therefore saved over 500k lives.

Unfortunately as a byproduct of having no choice but to do the above. We have the worst recession in history, with millions of people out of job and with no prospect of getting one for a long time. We have also played a key role in killing millions of people through lack of treatment and screening for every other illness that is not covid. We have also turned 70% of the country into a bunch of complete neurotic maniacs who now struggle to leave the house without dressing up in full PPE. Apologies for this but I hope you can appreciate that we did save 500k lives as a result of this. Resulting in a net saving of lives of…..well that doesn’t matter, please don’t re-read the above.

We have also gloriously saved the NHS but you will not be able to get any appointment with them for between 5-10 years and that is if you manage to get through.

You can however get an appointment for a Covid vaccine 24/7.

It’s safe to come out now.

Cheers and thanks for your patience

110529 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Hubes, 2, #1065 of 1269 🔗

laughter and applause

110519 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 13, #1066 of 1269 🔗

I’ve just read a letter in The Telegraph suggesting that vets will be recruited to administer the coronavirus vaccine.

How appropriate for the sheeple.

110549 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tenchy, 10, #1067 of 1269 🔗

This is so Baaaaaaaaaaad

110667 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1068 of 1269 🔗

This sounds like some sick bastard saying ” right what can we wind the muppets up with next? “

110731 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1069 of 1269 🔗

That’s because all the GP surgeries are now offering telephone appointments only!

110525 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #1070 of 1269 🔗

Always some interesting food for thought in Morgoth’s Review, albeit a little dark at times (you have been forewarned)

Latest – State of play Autumn 2020


110544 ▶▶ Christopher, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #1071 of 1269 🔗

Morgoth’s Review is Brilliant .

110526 RickH, replying to RickH, 13, #1072 of 1269 🔗

In relation to the comments below relating to the vaccine ‘consultation’, it is noticeable that the document starts with a clear falsehood :

COVID-19 is the biggest threat this country has faced in peacetime history”

… which, demonstrably it isn’t – even in the narrow field of infectious disease. I have lived through about two dozen worse infectious episodes as judged by mortality.

110550 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to RickH, 3, #1073 of 1269 🔗

…which sows seeds of mistrust in the whole document right from the start!

110559 ▶▶ guy153, replying to RickH, 10, #1074 of 1269 🔗

I miss the days when they told us anyone who had eaten a hamburger in the last ten years was going to die in agony from a hideous brain liquefying disease and we all just said meh apart from vegetarians who suddenly became even more smug. Surely that was a bigger threat at the time?

110646 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to guy153, 2, #1075 of 1269 🔗

That’s one of my standard arguments for being sceptical about “experts”. First it was “Don’t worry, it’s perfectly OK to feed ground-up dead cows to live cows.” Then it was “Actually it isn’t OK. And by the way, everyone who has eaten beef in the last 20 years is going to die a horrible death.” Both statements are untrue.

110707 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to guy153, 3, #1076 of 1269 🔗

As I recall, not only did it not send everyone into a panic who had previously eaten a burger, it also didn’t meaningfully affect the market for burgers.

It did have some significant effects on the British farming market, not least because the early symptoms of BSE are indistinguishable from symptoms of rabies. Got a cow in Belgium showing those symptoms? Slaughter the cow, move on. Got a cow in the UK showing the same symptoms? Slaughter the herd, rebuild your business from scratch n

110581 ▶▶ matt, replying to RickH, 3, #1077 of 1269 🔗

Who writes this stuff? Can we at least hope that at some point, people will realise the level of bollocks.

110530 Tenchy, 1, #1078 of 1269 🔗

Some excellent comments posted against this opinion piece from The Telegraph (paywall, but comments are visible) :


110539 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1079 of 1269 🔗

This lot (part of UN) on board with the “new normal” that is coming, they get in about climate change, sustainability and all that stuff:


Some quotes:

But with the war against COVID-19 still to be won, it has become commonplace that what awaits us after victory is a “new normal” in the way society is organized and the way we will work.

Now is the time to look more closely at this new normal, and start on the task of making it a better normal, not so much for those who already have much, but for those who so obviously have too little.

But we will have before us the task of building a future of work which tackles the injustices that the pandemic has highlighted, together with the permanent and no longer postponable challenges of climate, digital and demographic transition.

This is what defines the better normal that has to be the lasting legacy of the global health emergency of 2020.

110551 ▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1081 of 1269 🔗

The problem is that these changes are being imposed by the same unelected power blocs that brought us the Iraq war and all the foreign destabilisation and resource stripping of the past thirty years. Why would they be good guys now?

110574 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1082 of 1269 🔗

First – hardly a news flash – is that health crises lead to innovation in health care.

But the difference is that this isn’t a genuine health crisis. It is an artificial, self-imposed, propaganda-based ‘crisis’. As such, I don’t think we should be expecting much innovation to flow from it.

110594 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #1083 of 1269 🔗

At the moment all ‘innovations’ have made things worse, eg telephone consultations, having to photograph and email the doctor photos of injuries/suspicious moles and the like, and now ‘book your emergency’ at A&E in advance!??? And they’re talking about vaccines being administered by non-professionals and protecting them from prosecution when they do so..

110712 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1084 of 1269 🔗

“Now is the time… “, says who? And who gave anyone the right to declare any such thing. The arrogance of these people is almost hypnotic in it’s absurdity.

110541 Kate, replying to Kate, 26, #1085 of 1269 🔗

About the dangers of the “new normal” – if mandatory vaccination is pushed through on the pretext of this bogus pandemic, it will deprive us of our absolute right of bodily autonomy. Thus you could mandate euthanasia, on the grounds of the good of society,and override individual self determination.

110564 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Kate, 4, #1086 of 1269 🔗

Good point
That’s a good argument

110565 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Kate, 7, #1087 of 1269 🔗

Also compulsory organ donation..

110572 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Carrie, 4, #1088 of 1269 🔗

That’s already an opt-out in the UK, changed late last year on the quiet after they let it lie since the last Labour government tried it and there was uproar so they backed down:


Everyone I mention did to has said “what? when?” and opted out.

110619 ▶▶▶▶ AllieT, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1089 of 1269 🔗

Thank you Mr.T & I have just opted out.

110620 ▶▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1090 of 1269 🔗

I have just opted out. My level of trust in our government’s good intentions is too low I am afraid. Thanks git!

110635 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1091 of 1269 🔗

I am all over that one. I’ve done my research on organ donation also. Their definition of dead doesn’t coincide with mine.

110659 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Sophie123, 2, #1092 of 1269 🔗

Just opted out, concerns also re: their definition of ‘dead’.

110708 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1093 of 1269 🔗

Donation happens before death doesn’t it? As the organs need to be removed just prior to death, while still living. So a judgement is made to remove organs, they are removed and then death. If this isn’t correct please can someone correct.

Given what has occured in carehomes and dnr place on those over 45(?) in parts of Scotland, this detail is more relevant than ever.

110709 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Basics, 3, #1094 of 1269 🔗

What is also never mentioned is that the “dead” person has to be under general anaesthesia when the organs are being removed. Otherwise there are reflex spasms. Because you are not quite dead.

110851 ▶▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to Awkward Git, #1095 of 1269 🔗

Yes. So sneaky….

110580 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Carrie, 3, #1096 of 1269 🔗

Don’t we only need one of our kidneys? Maybe one cornea is enough too.

110582 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Carrie, 3, #1097 of 1269 🔗

Already here unless you specifically opt out.

110583 ▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Carrie, 3, #1098 of 1269 🔗

Funny you should mention organ donation. Only very recently it was changed so that everyone is automatically deemed to consent to organ donation. You have to go online and fill in a form to specifically opt out. It used to be the other way round. Given the current situation we are in you could almost say what a coincidence.

110589 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Suzyv, 2, #1099 of 1269 🔗

I know… but what I was thinking of is that when they have a DNA database of the population, then you could be forced to say, donate a kidney to someone who you are a match for, whether you want to or not. Or you could be deemed ‘too old’ (nearing pension age?) to be useful, and euthanised to provide organs for younger people..

110610 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Carrie, 2, #1100 of 1269 🔗

That’s the scenario in “Never Let Me Go” by Kazuo Ishiguro, though there it’s people who are specifically bred to be used for organ donation.

110627 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Edward, #1101 of 1269 🔗

I know! And Planned Parenthood already traffics the organs of aborted foetuses for organ donations..

110628 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Carrie, #1102 of 1269 🔗

I’m sure the organs of a foetus would work well in a (born) human.

110639 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Carrie, #1103 of 1269 🔗

And for culturing stuff for vaccines. Listed on the ingredients.

110751 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, #1104 of 1269 🔗

Exactly – the ingredients are in the public domain – people just don’t look at the information..

110665 ▶▶▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to Carrie, 4, #1105 of 1269 🔗

And then what ?? Somebody needs a kidney and you’re a match, so the NHS come to your house in the middle of the night and take one of your kidneys? Or when you reach 65 you get bundled into a van whilst out walking and they take your liver out. Calm down people. I think we’re going a bit over the top.

110670 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Hubes, 2, #1106 of 1269 🔗

Mission Creep is the phrase that explains how it might come about.

Look at tge past 6 months, perfect example of how it works.

110702 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Hubes, 3, #1107 of 1269 🔗

Yes, agree. We do need to settle down.

110748 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Hubes, 1, #1108 of 1269 🔗

Possibly OTT for now, but we know they take organs from people in China.. I always want to believe that people will not misuse information, but sadly that trust is being steadily eroded..

We know they are into eugenics, so manipulating situations so as to limit people’s longevity is not totally out of the question – look how they’ve acted with DNRs just this year..

110759 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Hubes, 2, #1109 of 1269 🔗

This comments page has gone weird today. Disappointing.

110763 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to Achilles, #1110 of 1269 🔗

Yeah I was thinking the same. Very hysterical, paranoid and over the top comments. I hope this isn’t what it’s going to be like from now on.

110787 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Hubes, #1111 of 1269 🔗

Excessive conspiracy/not conspiracy discussions brought about by anti-conspiracy above the line post. It will settle.

110575 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Kate, #1112 of 1269 🔗

mandatory random drug testing

110576 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Kate, 1, #1113 of 1269 🔗

mandatory random virus/immunity checks status…

Oh wait, we have that now.

110592 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Kate, 11, #1114 of 1269 🔗

It is absolutely against the Nuremberg Code, so the plan will not be to literally hold people down and force the vaccine. The plan is to tie government benefits to taking the vaccine, enrolling kids in school, getting on an airplane, keeping your job, etc. No “democratic” government will send the military out with syringes and have them show up at our doors, but they will use this other form of coercion. They will make life so limited for anyone who won’t take the vaccine that they’ll force compliance this way. I do expect lots of court cases to challenge this form of coercion as well. And I hate to sound like a psychopath, even though my non-compliance has already been branded as such, but I can’t help but hope the vaccine injury rate is so high and it’s such a debacle (like the Swine Flu vaccine was) that they’ll have to abandon this whole project and admit defeat.

110600 ▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 4, #1115 of 1269 🔗

I have some knowledge of vaccine injury and I would not trust the British government to ever admit liability for any vaccine induced harm. All research in this field is blocked, and has been for the past thirty years, despite the high quality of the research and the gravity of its implications.

110647 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Kate, 1, #1116 of 1269 🔗

I agree on all points, but with mass vaccination if there are obvious harms they can’t really hide it. The narcolepsy that hit teens after the H1N1 vaccine is well documented. It’s easy for injuries to be hidden, written off, not researched when people get vaccinated in dribs and drabs; far more difficult when there’s a mass vaccination campaign and numerous people become ill simultaneously. The Swine Flu vaccine of the 1970s caused lots of issues and was pulled relatively quickly.

110744 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Lisa from Toronto, -1, #1117 of 1269 🔗

One thing I have read is the sterilising effect of the vaccine they will give young people, and that it will not show up until about 7 years later…

110593 ▶▶ Kate, replying to Kate, 6, #1118 of 1269 🔗

Because they are already using the “good of society” argument when they ask you to mask up “to care for someone else”
This is overreach. You are only required not to actively harm someone else in a criminal way.. Their duty of care is to themselves, as yours is to yourself.

110570 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 11, #1119 of 1269 🔗

After watching the live streams from Berlin all weekend, with crowds of people behaving “normal”, I felt really strange going shopping today and seeing all these people in face coverings. I wondered why are they wearing them?

110626 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Silke David, 7, #1120 of 1269 🔗

Because they are extremely stupid

110658 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Silke David, #1121 of 1269 🔗

I only see tin foil hats

110700 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Silke David, 6, #1122 of 1269 🔗

What you felt was strange might have been because quite literally we are living along side a giant game of let’s pretend.

I know I keep saying this, but it’s accurate and worthwhile realising that is why we are getting swirls of surreal feeling as we re-realise our circumstance.

110739 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Basics, 3, #1123 of 1269 🔗

yes, absolutely

110571 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1124 of 1269 🔗

OffG report on the Trafalgar Square demo. Makes some good, balanced points and includes links to the contributions from Dolores Cahill and Vernon Coleman.


110649 ▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1125 of 1269 🔗

I was there and I think this is a fair and balanced report on the day.

110585 court, replying to court, 6, #1126 of 1269 🔗

Our Pizza Express finally opened with a week left on EOTHO so thought if book a table for today. No menus, have to scan a 3D barcode and browse the menu on your phone. Closed off tables everywhere. They were fully booked till 19:30 according to the people they were turning away, but this was the scene inside. I don’t think their hearts are in it, they know they’ll be closed by Xmas.

110598 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to court, 4, #1127 of 1269 🔗

‘you have to scan a barcode and browse a menu on your phone’ – so they get your details for track ‘n’ trace that way…..

110607 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Carrie, 1, #1128 of 1269 🔗

Do most phones nowadays have bar code or QR code scanners as standard? I had to download one for mine (I don’t use it for restaurants).

110612 ▶▶▶▶ jim j, replying to Edward, 1, #1129 of 1269 🔗

My IT Help Desk (daughter) showed me how on the iPhone the camera does it for you.

110644 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to jim j, #1130 of 1269 🔗

Mine’s a Sony with Android and there’s no obvious option for QR on the camera, but there may be a setting which I haven’t discovered.

110689 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Edward, #1131 of 1269 🔗

Normally, just get the QR code in the camera and it will recognise it and do what the QR tells it to do. Will depend on how up to date your software is, I suppose.

110640 ▶▶▶ court, replying to Carrie, #1132 of 1269 🔗

That was my first thought, but it just linked to a pretty flat webpage to peruse with a form you can skip if didn’t want to fill out for T&T. I obviously skipped it.

Nando’s next door was rammed with ‘virtual’ queues out the door for the entire time I was there.

It’s going to be interesting to see what the furlough wind down and ending of EOTHO does to the restaurant trade this autumn.

110601 ▶▶ AllieT, replying to court, 1, #1133 of 1269 🔗

Packed at our local restaurant last week for EOTHO (but not a pizza express) Mr.T cld order at the bar & track and trace was optional as we were just given a form to fill in on being seated staff never even mentioned it. Obviously we ignored it. Had a lovely evening with a mostly normal atmosphere!

110678 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to court, 1, #1134 of 1269 🔗

I read signs outside shops and restaurants just to inform myself what kind of policies are around. PE stated “Pay by phone”. I nearly went in to ask if I can pay the old fashioned way with my bank card, but as there was someone with the waiter/greeter, I did not. Later no staff visible. I do not have a smart phone. Their loss, very good independent pizza places in my town.

110684 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Silke David, #1135 of 1269 🔗

I’ve asked this question of friends, David, but haven’t had a useful answer yet. What’s going on in terms of cash in Germany? It’s always been a stubbornly cash economy. Has this eroded it? I know you don’t live there anymore, but I wonder what you hear from friends/family?

110587 Sir Patrick Vaccine, #1136 of 1269 🔗

16 Year Old Expirience With Far-Left Brainwashing Teachers


110590 Bart Simpson, 7, #1137 of 1269 🔗

Retail report:

Waitrose – very quiet but this is the first time that I was not the only customer unmuzzled, I counted at least 4-5 more

Lidl – more customers and again I’m not the only one who unmuzzled

Also had lunch with a friend to take advantage of the last day of Eat Out to Help Out and friend remarked that for a Bank Holiday Monday, it was quiet.

110591 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #1138 of 1269 🔗
110621 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 12, #1139 of 1269 🔗

Best comment: “The planet is made up of protons, electrons, neutrons, and morons”

110596 Polemon2, replying to Polemon2, 4, #1140 of 1269 🔗

100% increase in deaths; continued increase in cases. The second wave is obviously here. #lockdownsarcasm

110604 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Polemon2, 8, #1141 of 1269 🔗

I am really worried that the cumulative number of cases continues to rise

110611 ▶▶▶ jim j, replying to Hubes, 3, #1142 of 1269 🔗

Will the cumulative deaths line ever bend down again? I suspect that will be what the vaccine can do!

110614 ▶▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to jim j, 8, #1143 of 1269 🔗

That will be the BBC headline in early 2021 “Cumulative covid cases continue to rise, despite vaccine”

110602 DRW, 8, #1144 of 1269 🔗

Briefly felt better today after applying for something very promising starting next autumn. But then, I realised, we could still be having to put up with this shit even then because the “next deadly wave” will be just round the corner. What a bloody terrible world.

110603 matt, replying to matt, 39, #1145 of 1269 🔗

Out of the blue, I got a call from my oldest friend today. We don’t talk often anymore (long story), but it was nice to hear from him.

He’s not stupid (he was made QC a couple of years ago) but very conventional.

As conversations do, we drifted onto the current situation. “I’m a bit worried about the number of cases at the moment,” he said. “Don’t be,” I said “the only thing that’s relevant is ICU admissions and deaths.”

I then explained that – even with a generously low false positive rate, the current testing numbers and the current low prevalence means that you probably don’t have the virus, even if you test positive. I had to explain it twice, but he got it. I also pointed out that, if you’re not sick, it really doesn’t matter what you’re not sick of.

“Oh,” he said “so I should look at hospital and death numbers?”
“Yes. And they’re bimbling around zero. And they’ll bimble around zero for the rest of time, because this is a respiratory virus that is known to pass between humans and animals, so we can’t get rid of it.”
“Unless there’s an effective vaccine?”
“Almost no vaccines are completely effective. It looks likely that this one, the the ‘flu vaccine will be most effective in people who are healthy and not immunocompromised, which makes it rather pointless, since those are the people who are dying from the virus anyway.”

Another one brought round, hopefully.

110615 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to matt, 5, #1146 of 1269 🔗

Good work.

110618 ▶▶ Albie, replying to matt, 11, #1147 of 1269 🔗

I find it concerning that a QC needed this explaining to him! But glad you did.

110631 ▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Albie, 11, #1148 of 1269 🔗

I am continually shocked by the lack of any kind of medical or scientific understanding among people in positions of power. MP’s for example….(From experience) And I do not mean high level knowledge, but just the ability to reason from simple basics or ask relevant questions.

110671 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Albie, 7, #1149 of 1269 🔗

People focus on what they do. He’s a clever man and very hard working, but he will have spent the last 6 months focused on his cases and looking after his family. His knowledge of this farce won’t go any further than what the telegraph and the bbc have told him.

110633 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to matt, 9, #1150 of 1269 🔗

crazy you had to explain this to a QC? I mean seriously I though these guys were supposed to be the cleverest people on the planet
If he didn’t get this he is in the retarded region of intelligence.

110642 ▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to matt, 1, #1151 of 1269 🔗

Well done.

110673 ▶▶ matt, replying to matt, 3, #1152 of 1269 🔗

Also, had the opportunity to evangelise in the pub this evening. Just a few facts and corrections of misconceptions. Think I moved things forward for a few.

110822 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to matt, 1, #1153 of 1269 🔗

Great work, but I bet the next time you speak to him he asks you about “the imminent second wave” or some other such nonsense. You get through to them but as soon as they watch the 6 O’Clock news it’s back to square one again.

110622 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 39, #1154 of 1269 🔗

Three weeks, three weeks to flatten the curve, that’s what the the lying bastard said

We are now entering the seventh month and people are being locked up for making speeches

The dictator is a lying, thieving, c*nt, he should locked up and put on trial

Apologies for the language but there is no other way to describe this excuse for a man

110625 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1155 of 1269 🔗

Cunt is too polite

110717 ▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to Hubes, -1, #1156 of 1269 🔗

I don’t like the explicit language.

110634 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 9, #1157 of 1269 🔗

Really, I can’t take much more of this shit.

110657 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Cecil B, 5, #1158 of 1269 🔗

Not man more of a jelly like blob. Odd man too,one of the things about being a new parent is you usually become full of ideals for the world becoming a better place for your baby.

110674 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to KBuchanan, 3, #1159 of 1269 🔗

He’s not even sure how many he has though. He’s totally irresponsible – like a teenage boy who has just discovered sex!

110696 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1160 of 1269 🔗

I’d love to think of a responsible reply, but I’m now mostly thinking “hmmm. Good times”

110713 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to matt, 1, #1161 of 1269 🔗

I’m a responsible mother of two teenage lads – well 20 and 18!

110636 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #1162 of 1269 🔗

Joe Biden Weighs In With His Virus Expertise

Puppet President?

110661 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #1163 of 1269 🔗

More like the sock!

His continuing to stand makes a mockery of the whole democratic process – though that’s very easy to do nowadays.

110682 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #1164 of 1269 🔗

Its comedy gold, albeit a little sad.

110691 ▶▶ matt, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #1165 of 1269 🔗

Dear God, I knew he was a long way gone, but that is a dead man walking.

110821 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #1166 of 1269 🔗

Gosh, I didn’t realise he was that bad. How can they possibly have found a candidate that makes Trump seem like a sane choice. Maybe Elon Musk tried his chip on Biden’s brain before he tried it on the pig?

110637 Lisa from Toronto, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 7, #1167 of 1269 🔗

I’ll take this bit of good news for what it’s worth. I’m glad it’s in print as it’s now on the record and would be difficult to walk back. Having said that, they could require a health reason to refuse the vaccine or make life difficult for those who refuse it. Canada is one of 2 G20 countries who does not compensate for vaccine injury, and we do currently have exemptions but some provinces have tried to rescind them. I’m only cautiously optimistic after reading this.

“She (Minister of Health) added that no vaccines in Canada are federally mandated and that will be the case for a COVID-19 vaccine as well. Hajdu said Canadians have a responsibility to keep each other safe but there is also an understanding that some people cannot be vaccinated for various health reasons.”

110641 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #1168 of 1269 🔗

I am afraid this will be done by the back door, for example to visit certain countries you need a vaccination certificate, I seem to recall when we went to Sierra Leone we had to show a yellow fever vaccination card. So this Covid vaccination will be forced by requiring a vaccination card to do some things or go to some places.

110645 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #1169 of 1269 🔗

I’m becoming more and more resigned to the fact I may not be able to travel for a very long time, if ever. I won’t wear a mask on a plane and I won’t get a vaccine. Makes me very sad as hubby retired last year and travel was one of the many things we had planned. I can only be thankful I’ve been all over the world already and wasn’t waiting until middle age.

110773 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #1170 of 1269 🔗

Travel locally around you. Reduced travel will be common and so it will be the thing to do.

110794 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1171 of 1269 🔗

Tricky if you live in a different country to the rest of your family…

110655 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1172 of 1269 🔗

What happens if you cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons? there are always people who cannot use vaccines (immunocompromised etc).

110727 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Sophie123, #1173 of 1269 🔗

I have no idea what counts as a medical reason. Some reasons I’ve read about include being immunocompromised, as you point out, and an allergy to any of the ingredients in the vaccine (like eggs for some vaccines). Past vaccine reaction or injury (so difficult to get anyone to take seriously) might also be exemptions. Also religious exemptions have been allowed based on vaccines including fetal tissue. But I think all bets are off now and it’s going to get really ugly.

110652 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #1174 of 1269 🔗

this song gave them too many ideas

Zager & Evans – In the Year 2525


110796 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #1175 of 1269 🔗

This is a better version by The Nephilim:

110653 petgor, replying to petgor, 2, #1176 of 1269 🔗

“41,499”. Due to proven cases of Covid or were the deaths caused by Flu, or perhaps, from people not being treated by the NHS, or those who heeded the warnings not to seek medical help?

110692 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to petgor, 1, #1177 of 1269 🔗

Could be eg stroke victim who tested positive while in hospital.

If the numbers are like the US ones, according to the revised version from the CDC, they should amount to 2,490 deaths from covid alone with no co-morbidities (6% x 41,500).

Re the US covid-only deaths, we don’t know if they were of otherwise sprightly 86 year-olds.

110663 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #1178 of 1269 🔗
110714 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #1179 of 1269 🔗

Very good!

110716 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #1180 of 1269 🔗

I think that video is misleading. He’s claiming that the mask reduces the PROPORTION of oxygen in the inhaled air. That could only happen if the proportion of nitrogen correspondingly increased. But that doesn’t make sense, since the sizes of the molecules of each gas are vastly smaller than the holes in the mask. A possible argument is that a mask reduces the absolute amount of oxygen (not the proportion) being inhaled, unless the wearer breathes harder, which could cause problems for someone who already has respiratory issues, e.g. asthma, or even someone with no such issue exerting themself. Another argument is that the mask causes buildup of carbon dioxide. That has some validity but I think that the air we breathe out has only a slight reduction in oxygen content and a slight increase in carbon dioxide compared to what we breathe in. For me the valid argument is that our exhaled breath contains organic compounds (which in large amounts cause “bad breath”, but nobody’s breath is completely odourless) and it’s unhealthy to have these building up in contact with mouth and nose. The same argument (buildup of noxious material) applies in the unlikely event that the breath contains the virus. So a mask is bad for the wearer’s health, particularly if worn for a long period. Whether it’s any good at protecting others is another argument. For me the fundamental argument is about freedom (“my body, my choice”). But I’ve gone on for long enough.

110732 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Edward, 2, #1181 of 1269 🔗

I think it’s probably in combination with the increased CO2 levels – which are also going to impair mental function.
The pathogens which are trapped are given the perfect warm damp environment in which to multiply. Lovely – not!

110830 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1182 of 1269 🔗

Your saliva is full of sugar so the inner surface of the mask will have a nice layer of feed for bacteria.

110780 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Edward, 1, #1183 of 1269 🔗

O2 in fresh air is normally 20.9%.
Exhaled breath is normally around 16% O2.
Gas proportions inside masks when a sample probe is inside mask show O2 at around 17-18%,with elevated CO2 levels.
Officially HSE define O2 at 18% as an oxygen deficient atmosphere, i.e. if you had a confined space, sampled atmosphere at 18% O2 before entry, your risk assessment will have to include mitigation for the risk of Hypoxia.
You also open yourself up to prosecution from HSE if you instructed anyone to work with O2 at that level.

110791 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Nessimmersion, #1184 of 1269 🔗

Thanks, I’ll take your figures on trust and they do show that rebreathing exhaled air is not very good for the body. The video didn’t make clear that it was talking about rebreathing exhaled air, but I guess that’s what they were getting at.

110833 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Edward, 2, #1185 of 1269 🔗

Remember all those first aid memes about getting someone hyperventilating to breath from a paper bag.
Why do we think that was?
Because the rebreathed air had more CO2 and less oxygen, this lowering body response.
Then they try to tell us this doesn’t happen with cloth masks but still does with a paper bag you can see through.

110792 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #1186 of 1269 🔗

Interesting – can we try to prosecute using HSE definition of an oxygen deficient atmosphere, with regard to being required to work under those conditions?

110828 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Carrie, 1, #1187 of 1269 🔗

If the science is there, I think you could mount an effective legal challenge that mandating nasks is “Wednesbury” irrational, not just stupid, biased or doubtful but highly irrational, acting against the declared rationale (protecting public healt). You probably have to show that the secondary legislation goes against the purpose of the primary legislation.

110831 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Carrie, 1, #1188 of 1269 🔗

Possibly, remember the HSE are very coy about being pinned down though, think Sir Humphrey.
They are all about prosecuting others for inadequate risk assessment and precautions.
I’m sure there is a precedent somewhere in UK, so that could be used..
Possibly get management forcing mask wear as condition of employment to sign a document of liability for mask mouth conditions.

110664 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1189 of 1269 🔗



Right on queue for all schools returning tomorrow, just to get the fear ramped up. The strange thing is half of parents want to pull their kids out due to teh masks and rules, the other half as its a walking virus infested death factory.

Any principals/teacher among the group here wish to give us an insight as to what your feelings are?

110676 ▶▶ Kate, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #1190 of 1269 🔗

I have a relative who is a teacher and she is very upset and depressed by all the new regulations, feels they will adversely affect children’s psychological wellbeing, as well as hers – she wants to be able to teach normally.

110685 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1191 of 1269 🔗

I was talking to someone this morning whose wife is an NTA. She said that every time they get the school compliant, the guidelines have been changed at short notice. She said they’ve been doing this crazy dance throughout much of the summer.

110711 ▶▶ hotrod, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1192 of 1269 🔗

That is misleading website with links and stories dating back to May.

110770 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to hotrod, #1193 of 1269 🔗

To be clear, I was only sharing it as it seems to have been shared across a number of social media accounts this evening to add to parents stress, and teachers of course.

Two reputable sources they are not.

110675 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #1194 of 1269 🔗

Another retailer with a death wish:


This is not the first time I’ve heard of TK Maxx’s disgraceful treatment of customers with exemptions and they should really be careful because they will get their comeuppance if someone decides to take them to court for disability discrimination.

We should vote with our feet to put this company out of its misery.

110776 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #1195 of 1269 🔗

Our tkMaxx (Hove) has been fine – no masks, no harassment, sanitiser optional.

110806 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JohnB, #1196 of 1269 🔗

The ones in Central London are pretty dead – they had ropes and antisocial distancing stickers for the queues that have never materialised.

110687 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #1197 of 1269 🔗


Media Lies Exposed In New Hyroxychloroquine Study | Pat Gray Unleashed

110693 Kate, replying to Kate, 1, #1198 of 1269 🔗

Just asking – does anyone here actually know whether it is possible to design a coronavirus vaccine to cause a specific harm? Do we have the medical knowledge to do this yet?

I have friends who are frightened that the new vaccine will sterilise them.

Personally I doubt that this is medically possible, but I am concerned by the clear intent to rapidly impose a costly vaccine on the UK when we can ill-afford to buy one – having lost so much of our economy.

Unless we are hoping to sell a British vaccine on the world market first, and thus recoup some of our losses

So why is there this rush to inject people? Is it to get us used to the concept of subcutaneous chips? And becoming tolerant of invasive techniques?

110733 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Kate, 2, #1199 of 1269 🔗

Just look at Elon Musk trying to get a pig to do something, if our top technologists can’t control a pig do you really think the British government or anyone else could manage to seamlessly take over people’s brains? The ideas you float are just bonkers.
It’s conceivable that a vaccine could do some people some harm but this isn’t Star Trek.

110769 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to NickR, 1, #1200 of 1269 🔗

The British government have quite clearly taken over people’s brains since March.

110781 ▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to JohnB, 1, #1201 of 1269 🔗

No, the people have surrendered them, there’s a difference.

110799 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to NickR, 2, #1202 of 1269 🔗

A pretty fine distinction. The gov definitely wanted to do this. People were unaware of surrendering.

110789 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to JohnB, #1203 of 1269 🔗

With the help of the MSM – there is an interesting thread on Simon Dolan’s Twitter about how the government paid for 3 months of advertising…

110734 ▶▶ Not Tiger Woods, replying to Kate, 3, #1204 of 1269 🔗

It’s highly likely that hundreds of thousands of Kenyan women were sterilized via tetanus injection, circa. 2013-2014. Can’t recall all of the specifics, but Kenyan Doctors did go public claiming they had found something in one of the vaccines that acted as an anti-fertility hormone. WHO took centre stage.
Some years prior there was a Gov. whistle-blower in the Philippines, who basically alleged the same thing.

To answer your question, it’s most certainly medically possible. Who knows what the vaccine is [or will be] and how it will react in individuals – that’s the real issue. Nobody can really make any guarantees. and if something does go wrong – like poor little Saba Button, left disabled via a flu jab – the powers that be will say, “whoops. sorry about that” & then what?

110741 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Not Tiger Woods, 5, #1205 of 1269 🔗

Earlier than that even, in the early 1990s.. In 1994 Human Life international became suspicious of a WHO vaccination programme against tetanus in Tanzania, Nigeria, Nicaragua, Mexico and the Philippines, because only women aged 15-45 were being vaccinated (ie not men or children), and got hold of some of the vials, which were found to contain human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG, a hormone essential for maintaining a pregnancy). When introduced into the body coupled with a tetanus toxoid carrier, antibodies get formed not only against tetanus but also against hCG. These antibodies will attack subsequent pregnancies by killing the hCG, meaning the woman cannot sustain the pregnancy.

110737 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Kate, 6, #1206 of 1269 🔗

I don’t believe that there’s some dystopian objectives behind the push for a vaccine. My view is that its simple greed and political cowardice. Vaccines have done some good in the world I reckon but there are serious questions to answer about their safety, need and effectiveness.

There’s some excellent info on vaccines in general via the link below, which is the organisation ran by Robert Kennedy Got to the research tab for lots of detail.

One other resource that I would encourage you to read is JB Handley’s blog https://jbhandleyblog.com/published-science and book https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-End-Autism-Epidemic-Revealing/dp/1603588248

There’s a really good conversation between Kennedy and Handley here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHeP7nJA9MY&t=2s

Hope that helps.

110782 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #1207 of 1269 🔗

I agree AN… greed (Big Pharma), grandstanding (billionaires like Gates), cowardice & opportunism (politicians), and mass hysteria (orchestrated by a malevolent media) are enough to explain the rush to mass vaccination, even though it will probably create the conditions for the rise of further novel pathogens, some potentially far more dangerous. We don’t need to resort to fanciful conspiracy theories to explain what’s going on.

110785 ▶▶ matt, replying to Kate, 1, #1208 of 1269 🔗

Could you include something in an injection (any injection) that might lead to sterilisation?

Yes. Many substances can do that.

Would you realistically want to?

I’m doubtful

Would you need to create a global panic over a virus in order to have the opportunity to inject people of childbearing age, or pre-childbearing age to accept a sterilising injection?

No. Those people are injected so often for so many reasons that you could just add whatever it is into whatever injection you’re giving them.

What about mandating a secretly sterilising vaccine?

Well, however wealthy you are, you need a functioning society to support any kind of lifestyle you might want to maintain. And a massive collapse in the human population would preclude the maintenance of that lifestyle, however you look at it. So I’m not quite sure what’s in it for the people who apparently want to do it.

110813 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Kate, 1, #1209 of 1269 🔗

I wrote a long reply to this and then deleted it because it was too depressing. In short, it is possible but seems very unlikely for various reasons. The biggest of which being that for something so heinous, the reprisal consequences for the likes of Bozo and Handjob would be terminal. However, with many of the new stages in the madness, barriers are being removed with the result that it is looking more possible as we progress. In my mind the odds are tiny, but growing each day. I’m ~80% sure it is still gross incompetence and psychopathic arse covering rather than conspiracy, but we better keep an eye on it just in case.

110706 Binra, replying to Binra, 5, #1210 of 1269 🔗

If the idea was ‘unite for freedom’ – the organisers used it under the belief that opposing ‘Them’ on any and every from is what that meant.
However my intention was to be there – as part of living with myself.
Everyone would have perceived it through the lens of their own judgements.
I had a critical awareness to much of what was said or the way it was said and the general panto approach of working a crowd. But I recognise human foibles and know that whatever else – these people actually got it together and it happened as a witness to openly protesting the political oppressions running under pretext of virus.

I don’t see any future for cliques and factions and I foretell that those who survive will be grateful for any who join in a shared humanity – regardless our self-image.
However, the organisers did not hold a disciplined focus and yet contrary to their possible beliefs, it was not their event. It belonged to all who participated – who may or may not have agreed or aligned in the various statements but in the main were happy enough to rally in a sense of sharing a Voice – that was mostly ‘being there’.
There were also a number of things that did not line up well for smooth running – such as police confiscating sound and video equipment.

My highlight was while walking en masse to Parliament Square past where a simply but deeply heartfelt ‘Freedom!’ chant rang out. I was completely at one with the moment – and recalled a desire to protest on May 1st to find no one anywhere was showing any movement to do so (in my general area). So the contrast brought the moment home to me.

When I look at those who do not support the narratives and regulations being used to push us into degraded and dehumanised systems of control, I do not see a uniting in freedom for freedom. If the Establishment wanted the ‘pushback’ – (as predicted in Rockefeller’s Lockstep document), there isn’t much sign of one yet.
The opposition of ‘socially excluded agenda’, can be ridiculed and ignored.
While the ‘respectable normal’ people as many here daren’t go near what is really going on or in one way or another they also will be cancelled, smeared, ridiculed – and perhaps they shall be in any case – regardless the attempt to maintain their normal.
No one is ‘normal’ But we all mask in different levels of social norms.

110762 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Binra, #1211 of 1269 🔗

Bravo. Nice comments

110847 ▶▶ Lucky, replying to Binra, #1212 of 1269 🔗

“However my intention was to be there – as part of living with myself.”
Well said. Glad you were there.

110710 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 7, #1213 of 1269 🔗

Report from Scotland.

Today our Dear Leader allowed gyms to reopen. My last visit to the gym was a defiant one on March 23rd. 5 months later I was able to return. It was much quieter than it would normally be at that time of the morning. I’m not sure if fear, disinterest or the bank holiday (English, not Scottish) had anything to do with it. Either way, very little has changed in my gym, which was great.

A couple of people were wandering around in masks, all but one ditched them quite quickly.

This evening it was a trip to the cinema. The group I went with were literally the only customers in the place. Masks were expected to be worn in the public areas, but none of us did, no one said anything. All the staff were masked up. I spoke to the guys at the concession counter. They said the place has been dead since they reopened. They’re hoping that as new films get released, it’ll get busier again, but they’re sure people are still too scared.

In other news, Dear Leader tells the nation that this is the most anxious she’s felt for weeks, for some reason. My partner reckons it’s because she knows her power and influence are starting to wane.

Question for the Group:
Does anyone think the laws on house parties will be reversed before Christmas or Hogmanay? I don’t.

110720 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Mark H, 8, #1214 of 1269 🔗

I’ve given up trying to make predictions based on time. Hopefully the government are shitting themselves as we speak, as they realise how much public opinion is turning on them.
I’m off to the cinema tomorrow night, for the first time in 7 months. I love sitting in a cinema, with a great crowd watching a great film, it’s just one of those pleasures in life that we’ve been robbed of.

110740 ▶▶▶ coalencanth12, replying to PoshPanic, #1215 of 1269 🔗

I would be interested to be a fly on the wall in cabinet. It’s clear there are some severe divisions between the economically literate and the NHS worshippers. Hancock has clearly got a cob on. I am often in the Westminster area and sometimes have had too much to drink – it has taken all of my self control to not charge down to Westminster bridge and start shouting ‘Show yourself Hancock’!

110724 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Mark H, 15, #1216 of 1269 🔗

Do you think cinemas etc. are quiet because people are too scared or because they can’t be annoyed with all the masks and social distancing palaver? I think it’s possibly the latter. Since masks were made compulsory I haven’t gone into a shop or anywhere else requiring them unless completely necessary.

110756 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #1217 of 1269 🔗

I’ve been twice since unlocking. No masks yet. Old films mostly but I did catch The Quiet Place. Excellent stuff. Had the Cinema to ourselves as well.

110766 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #1218 of 1269 🔗

Tend to think a lot of people are not going out / going to shops because they can’t be arsed with the palaver.
When the establishment stops treating you like you have bubonic plague there may be an increase in custom again.
Supermarket footfall decreased dramatically with the mask follies AFAIK.
I know I can’t be arsed with it so have started making home wine, living in Kim il Sturg On land, with its minimum pricing, adds another incentive to do so.
Plenty chairs round barbecue for sunny days & could convert 1/2 the garage to a home pub.
I know of a few others that have done that already in my town.

110736 ▶▶ coalencanth12, replying to Mark H, 1, #1219 of 1269 🔗

What’s the atmosphere like in Scotland? If the Dear Leader, who is the perfect incarnation of the appearance a leader should have, tries to close off Hogmany, how will the people react?

I am a Welsh exile in England, and my rellies back in Wales seem to think Blackford is doing a good job and ‘cares’ for their health deeply, whilst merrily ignoring all of his holy sayings. They must not do as the evil Saesons do!!

110801 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to coalencanth12, #1220 of 1269 🔗

Sorry, but then your ‘rellies’ are stupid. No choirs in Wales, the land of song?

110842 ▶▶▶▶ coalencanth12, replying to Bella, #1221 of 1269 🔗

No North Wales is a bit different that way…

110738 ▶▶ matt, replying to Mark H, 3, #1222 of 1269 🔗

To your question, I don’t either. I’m in a quandary over Christmas: my sister, her husband and their child live in my mother’s house. We should be going there for Christmas. I’ve no doubt that my mum would want us to, but technically by the “rules” (guidelines) 8 of us from 2 households is bad. Add in my brother and his wife, who live near us and you have 10 from 3 households. My uncle – my mum’s brother – who lives alone and normally comes for Christmas, makes it 11 from 4.

The tiniest crap about which, I could not give (“up with which, I will not put” for those of you who know their Churchill) but I’m certain that my sister will be militantly against the exercise and since I don’t want to put my mum in the difficult position of having to argue with her, I’m thinking we’ll do Christmas here, which will mean my brother and his wife and my wife’s aunt will have somewhere to go for Christmas and my mum is very welcome to come if she wants to.

110742 ▶▶▶ coalencanth12, replying to matt, #1223 of 1269 🔗

Thanks – I am in the process of deciding whether to book a Christmas in north Wales – the train tickets are eye wateringly expensive from round here. My parents are sticklers for the rules, except when inconvenient e.g. needing to cross into England to buy something because all the shops ‘yn Gymru’ were ‘ar gau’ (shut)

110745 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to matt, #1224 of 1269 🔗

That sounds like a good solution all round – don’t you have issues with your brother-in-law’s attitude to lockdown anyway? We are going through the same discussions. Latest plan is my brother drives to Newcastle, picks up my mother, and brings her to us, then comes back for her with his family (we normally all get together on Boxing Day, or the day after), she stays with them for a few days, then he drives her home. It means he has, all told, about 1000 mile drive. We are a household of four, none of us drives, and nobody wants to rely on trains (it will be a nightmare over Christmas). As long as my mother gets to watch all the soaps, she’s as happy as Larry (with glass of red wine and plate of cheese)!

110771 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1225 of 1269 🔗

There’s the additional problem (thanks for remembering) with the apparent fact that my brother in law is a Facebook mask-warrior, yes. Don’t know for sure because I haven’t looked at Facebook in a decade, but my wife tells me so. I won’t go into his personality, but he won’t be able to keep his mouth shut and on this particular issue that I really care about, nor will I. So it might get uncomfortable.

More to the point though – my mum came to us in London last year. She has 3 grandchildren: my two (8 and will-be-7-by-Christmas) and my sister’s (8). Although she spends a lot of time with my sister’s boy, we’re running out of time on magical christmases and it’s not very fair to ask her to choose. Plus, my boys are desperate to see their cousin.

Remember when the worst we had to worry about was uncle Steve getting drunk again and insisting on singing the black velvet band’?

110753 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark H, #1226 of 1269 🔗

On gyms, this was a good piece on Hector Drummonds blog recently. Gyms should have been morgues with COVID-19


But no. Maybe Weigh Protein is an unknown source of immunity.

110755 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1227 of 1269 🔗

Do you mean Whey protein?


110779 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DavidC, 1, #1228 of 1269 🔗

That’s the one

110798 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Mark H, #1229 of 1269 🔗

‘They’re sure people are just too scared’? Maybe they can’t be arsed to buy into the narrative, that’s why I’m not doing the ’rounds’.

110718 coalencanth12, replying to coalencanth12, 13, #1230 of 1269 🔗

I’ve been out and about these last few weeks trying to spend some money and do my bit for our tourist attractions. The mask nonsense is driving me up the wall in museums and art galleries, but I don’t think I need dwell on this madness with you guys. Here are some of my views on different attractions if anyone is interested (I had intended on going on holiday to France but Bojo and Hancock put paid to that):

Tower of London – was dead when I visited. Was told by one of the staff they can’t afford to fill the moat or light up properly. Normally this time of year there would be long queues to get near the crown jewels -I walked straight in and rotated round multiple times. When I went, one of the most interesting bits, St Peter ad Vincula church was closed off which I’ve wanted to investigate for years… Staff member admitted they miss the big-spending Asian and US tourists who buy imitation crown jewels and Kate and Wills tea towels.

National Art Gallery – Maskophiles but I can’t fault them otherwise. One of the first places to reopen and they seem to know what they’re doing. First time I have ever been able to stand in front of, and admire some the masterpieces un-pestered.

Cutty Sark / Royal Observatory** – you can get a deal to see a few of the attractions in Greenwich. Can’t fault either. They emailed me for feedback and I made my views plain on the mask front. Very few areas you can’t get into.

V & A – Dead when I visited – booked my slot like a good boy but then the people in front of me entering managed to blag their way in. No food and drink options at the minute but this apparently changes soon. You can get in most of the interesting stuff.

Kew Gardens – I’m a member so biased but these guys got open as quickly as they could. You can go in quite a few of the glass-houses and they have outside pop-up food and drink options if you can’t be bothered with masks.

Chatham Dockyard – You couldn’t go inside the ships when I visited which was disappointing but I think tickets are valid for a year.

SS Great Britain – I was surprised by how much you can get into here considering the number of confined spaces – the staff openly encouraged visits later on in the year when they hoped to open the remaining stuff up, assuming Hancock doesn’t stuff things up.

Windsor castle – this was a bit of shambles. I went today and the place was heaving (town and castle) – the wardens couldn’t cope. The wardens inside St George’s were pestering people to move on all the time and the state apartments were a disorganised mess.

** I decided to ferry down to Greenwich from Westminster, as I am want to take to the sea from time to time. The staff at the Pier were really pushing face nappies and saying they wanted to see an exemption card or an inhaler from anyone maskless, thought this wasn’t legal under disability discrimination?? Anyway, once on board the boat no attention was paid.

110735 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to coalencanth12, 2, #1231 of 1269 🔗

Thank you. I care a lot about being able to visit places like this so appreciate your report.

110750 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to coalencanth12, 1, #1232 of 1269 🔗

You get about friend. London is great.

110827 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to coalencanth12, 2, #1233 of 1269 🔗

Agree with the Thames boat & masks. Pushiest anywhere so far, but they’re mainly kids and a firm ‘Exempt’ with stare backs them down. Once on, no probs. They’re always pushed for timekeeping so a 15 second fiddle on the gangplank looking for card sees them abandon rules anyway.

Maritime Museum NOT open, but is this week I believe. Queens House good & free. Relaxed.

Planetarium not open either.

Greenwich market running but sparse. Usually rammed Peyton & Byrne in Church St relaxed and good for coffee, cake & more.

I like Greenwich.

110841 ▶▶▶ coalencanth12, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #1234 of 1269 🔗

Didn’t realise the main maritime museum wasn’t open but wouldn’t have had time! The clippers are being very pushy, I’ve used them a couple of times. The tour boats going upstream to Kew are operating but they’ve been buggered by the problems with Hammersmith bridge. I used them a few weeks back, they told me they weren’t going to offer Hampton Court this year as they don’t want to pay lock charges at Teddington…. I popped in for a few pints to the Trafalgar and was able to get a seat on the riverside.

111231 ▶▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to coalencanth12, #1235 of 1269 🔗

The boat thing might be Uber generated. They’re big on masks in their cars apparently. Used black cabs. Because they deserve it and it’s only a few times a year. Had a Caribbean driver from Victoria who was a breath of fresh air. Great hybrid cab too. He was running it on the engine because plugging it in is a hassle, man.

110721 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 7, #1236 of 1269 🔗

Robert F Kennedy Jr reckons that 1.5 million protested in Berlin on Sat. Will link to his Instagram below but for those who don’t have access, here’s the text that he’s posted and also one the shots. Impressive.

beneath the Siegesäule Monument where I spoke. This was one of 40 sites scattered around Berlin where where some 1.5 million people gathered around separate stages to evade police harassment and peacefully protest the alarming global rise of Medical & Digital Totalitarianism. As I said in my speech,the government strategy is to portray the protestors as right wing extremists or “Covid Deniers”(a euphemism,in the official narrative for Holocaust deniers) none of which is true. The government issued three proclamations declaring the protest illegal. Our Rapid Response team of lawyers successfully appealed each of these declarations in court. The Pharma-controlled main stream media blacked out all coverage the main event altogether-ignoring what were perhaps the largest crowds in German history. No main stream media covered this momentous gathering. The only media reports claimed only 38,000 people & showed clips of a staged incident where 100 riot police colluded in a false flag show with some 50 agents provocateurs in Nazi regalia near the Reichtag miles from our protest. The obsequious Pharmedia dutifully conflated that phony fascist Kabuki play with our peaceful democratic event to claim we were allied with violent far right extremists 6)World Futbol champion (1990)Thomas Bartholdi and his wife Britta Protest 7)German National Team Basketball Star Joshiko Saibou and Olympic long jump champion Alexandra Westore. 8)Organizer Attorney Marcus Haintz and program moderator Nana from Ghana.

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110747 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #1237 of 1269 🔗

Love it. Thomas Berthold, legend.

Hopefully this is just the start.

110786 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #1238 of 1269 🔗

His caption is brilliant and his support so important. He interrupted his press conference to promote the European arm of his organisation to protect child health to come to the Siegessaeule on Sunday to support the protestors. I hope the rally in Berlin encourages other countries to come together and demand of these infantile policies.

110726 Tee Ell, 3, #1239 of 1269 🔗


There are other quirks that Stevens has noticed but cannot explain. “Covid-19 patients seem to have a lack of sensitivity to the drugs we normally use – we’ve had to use five to 10 times the amount of drugs for sedation that we would normally use,” he says.

Interesting. I wonder whether the risk of side effects increases if you give a person 10 times the normal amount of sedation.

110728 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1240 of 1269 🔗

The final local lockdown in Ireland (that of Kildare) has been lifted today.

Non food serving pubs remain closed across the land with no date given for re-opening.

110800 ▶▶ matt, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1241 of 1269 🔗

And can anyone explain why?

110729 mhcp, 9, #1242 of 1269 🔗

The CDC figure of 6% dying of Covid whilst the rest is WITH is worth taking note of. As it is saying that developing Covid is basically the same as the flu (with a slightly elevated risk maybe) As has always been predicted and seen in the mortality rates.

I’ve seen the argument that someone can have Covid and then die if say they had asthma. They may live to 80 but die at 60. See Covid is still dangerous. Of course I can see that argument but it is equally possible with the flu, a cold and pneumonia.

The CDC have just said that the “excess danger” is 6%. That SARS-Cov-2 presents a slight increase in relation to other respiratory illnesses.

I think the upper limit is 12% if we take the Italian minister’s word for it.

So still within the excess death variations that we see where we DON’T DO ANYTHING i.e. nominal societal behaviour and interaction

This was obvious from the Wuhan data and the Diamond Princess but yet here we are.

110757 jim j, 12, #1243 of 1269 🔗

Why did I turn the news on??
Adele is going to be cancelled for doing her hair a fun way.
Labour want to screw next years students already.
The Official c19 deaths say 2, but Sky have found some way to quote a number of 4.
Please just smash me in the face instead!!!

110760 tonys, replying to tonys, 3, #1244 of 1269 🔗

What lessons do our media overlords want us to learn from the Covid plane infections I wonder? It seems they would like us to conclude that the ‘cases’ arose because of incorrect mask usage, whereas of course the only logical conclusion is that masks don’t work full stop. Still don’t rule out the next click on the ratchet being a new army of mask inspectors.

110764 ▶▶ jim j, replying to tonys, 5, #1245 of 1269 🔗

Absolutely! The maskquerade that they block “most”/ “much” and it /“much less” transmission correctly actually express the available evidence that No, these masks are not a 100% effective barrier against transmission. So everyone could be wearing one and they “might” work for “most” people. But not all, so No they will not end the virus.

So, back to square one, that didn’t work.

Balance that against the actual real time issue of an entire generation not being educated, sick people going untreated, and a country and economy that has been stopped in it’s tracks because it can’t find a way forward with masks/rules to combat something quantifiably increasing the number of people currently dying by about 0.6% per day.

You can’t undo the damage done already and bring back lives lost already

Tell me again then what “might” be in the best interest of “most” people.This is not a discussion about what an effective filter is.

110795 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to jim j, #1246 of 1269 🔗

Jim, that’s superb.

110777 ▶▶ NickR, replying to tonys, 6, #1247 of 1269 🔗

Firstly I don’t think it’s either established or likely that these people were infected on the flight but more likely at the resort.
2ndly, are any of them ill?

110807 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to tonys, 1, #1248 of 1269 🔗

Pah!, If you can get sucked out a plane’s toilet when your fat bum makes a good seal and are sitting down when you flush, I am sure a plane toilet can suck out covids no problem. Idiots.

110765 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #1249 of 1269 🔗

All it needs is for people to stop complying.

110804 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 3, #1250 of 1269 🔗

stop complying everybody, now please.

110774 Basics, 1, #1251 of 1269 🔗

Sky news just babbling about something on a front page tomorrow being a ‘triple threat’. Lest we forget the vaccine is going to ‘give double protection’.

Quite honestly in another time these people would end up with bloody noses.

110802 Bruno, replying to Bruno, 9, #1252 of 1269 🔗

It’s been a long day….

Half a year, half a year,
Half a year onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six sceptics.
“Forward, the Awkward Gits!
Charge for the pubs!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six sceptics.

“Forward, the Awkward Gits!”
Was there a man dismayed?
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to go and lie,
About the Track and Trace
Went the six sceptics.

Johnson to right of them,
Hancock to left of them,
Sturgeon in front of them
Hectored and thundered;
Sprayed at with handisan,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the Dog and Duck,
Into the public bar
Marched the six sceptics.

Flashed all their faces bare,
Flashed as they met the glares
Dumbfounding all the maskers there,
Charging the doorman while
All the bar wondered.
Plunged in the sea of woke
Right through the line they broke;
Cummings and Ferguson
Reeled from the master stroke
Shattered and sundered.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wondered.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Awkward Gits
Noble six sceptics!

110805 ▶▶ matt, replying to Bruno, #1253 of 1269 🔗

Valliantly – and well – done.

Though I hope we’re not remembered for the futility of our deaths in a vainglorious accident that came from a mistake.

110812 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to matt, #1254 of 1269 🔗

Remembered ? If we lose this one, nobody will know we even existed.

110803 Two-Six, 3, #1255 of 1269 🔗

There once was a lady called Mona
Who was scared of catching the Rona
She got in her bin and shut herself in
and stayed there till Boris said it was over

110808 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 13, #1256 of 1269 🔗

I think what dismays me the most is the idea that our society is controlled by people, in the media, in politics and in public health, who think that if they judge a risk to be severe, they have a mandate to allocate whatever resources they see fit to fix it. It is the Soviet tractor factory applied to public health.

Let’s assume that Covid may be twice as bad as flu. OK, so we would need half a lockdown annually. But what about every other health statistic? Surely we must ban cars for the 20,000 annual “deaths” (where no-one actually died). There must be 100 other causes with a better claim in health benefit. What about children’s diet? A ban on alcohol and cigarettes? Fast food? That’s got to go!

They have also decided that work is optional. If you are employed by the State, then you get paid whether you work or not. Judges get paid for not sitting in court. GP’s get paid for not attending surgery. Anaesthetists get paid for not doing operations. Fairly soon you must get a black market in government jobs.

At the moment they are using magic money. For ten or fifteen years they have told us that, if we breach 90% of debt to GDP we are screwed. Suddenly, it doesn’t matter. Interest rates are low, so fill your boots! But debt should only be incurred for capital investment, not running costs. Never mind that, this is an exception! So we end up at 120%, then interest rates go up, then who owns us? The Chinese! Never mind, we are a wealthy nation, we can afford it. And what could be more important than our health!

Meanwhile, 91% of the people that have died with Covid have another cause of death on their death certificate. 25% of them had dementia or alzheimer’s. 40% are over 85, and the distribution of death by age group exactly matches the distribution of deaths in previous years.

I don’t know how to describe it except as game, set and match to the public guardians.

110811 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to WhyNow, 9, #1257 of 1269 🔗

Remember all the stuff there wasn’t enough money for, care of the elderly, those without work, disabled people, youth services, libraries, refuse collection, mental health services, miserly coercive benefits and benefit sanctioning leading to a rise in FOOD BANKS!, child poverty, homelessness, cuts to drug and alcohol services this list goes on and on.

Then the Scamdemic was foisted upon us.

Now, well how much money do you want to buy half a billion face nappies and 120 million doses of an untested vaccine, useless track and trace phone apps, contact tracers, not to mention all the workers of the land’s salaries….

300 Billion? Sure, let me do the cheque for ya….There is more if you want it 😉
PS: Like my parting?

110819 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1258 of 1269 🔗

It is seriously crazy. Public health hysteria. All the people I have asked say that the protection in hospitals for flu is none. All of a sudden, we have RAF airlifts of defective PPE for Covid. Imagine if that money had been spent instead on simple hygiene in hospitals, or earlier detection of cancer?

110844 ▶▶▶ Lucky, replying to Two-Six, #1259 of 1269 🔗

Yes. It’s beyond sickening.

110824 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to WhyNow, 3, #1260 of 1269 🔗

Fast food is the obvious killer! Very likely causes 100,000 early deaths every year through obesity, diabetes, heart disease and cancers. For some reason no national emergency has been declared. More will now die because Fergie’s Fake Figures have resulted in Covid monopolising our health resources.

110900 ▶▶▶ Marie R, replying to OKUK, 1, #1261 of 1269 🔗

Radio 4 just said 90% of all patients in ICU with covid were obese

110832 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 1, #1262 of 1269 🔗

I have decided.
From Tuesday, every adult must do a 5k run, every day. You will be timed. If your times are slower than before, you will not be paid. Simples! Everyone’s health will improve and we will be the most healthy nation of Earth (My personal trainer suggested this. I have recommended him as Head of the Home Civil Service. Such clarity of thought. We need people like this).

110810 WhyNow, 8, #1263 of 1269 🔗

I find it odd that serious people, like Michael Levitt, Nobel prize winner and Professor at Stanford, are brushed aside as detritus in the wave of health professional groupthink.

Has Ferguson ever stopped to consider that, if a Nobel prize winner thinks it is tosh, it just might be? There’s a kind of twitter mob endorsement that says, if Twitter opinion is with you, you must be right. It is a mass hysteria.

110815 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1264 of 1269 🔗

Ferguson and other “experts” are pushing the fear again, this time in The Guardian:


Loads of “upticks” and some “surges”.

How come the hospitals are empty?

110871 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1265 of 1269 🔗

Yesterday it was reported that Nicola Sturgeon was feeling a greater sense of anxiety than at any time because of a few test results. When they interviewed some of the passengers on one of the Greek flights where infections had been subsequently found the people seemed febrile and anxious to an alarming degree and all over a virus that there is a good chance would cause them no problems.
Then it occured to me, I was happily using the word chance, I tend to evaluate the risks and the chances of success and give things a punt, take a chance, as Johnny Cash put it ‘he’s the kind of man who gambles on luck, looks you in the eye and never backs up’. I’ve done some stupid things and looked death in the eye on several occasions but my luck held out and amazingly I’m still here and still taking risks and ‘chancing it’. It just set me wondering if the people who are getting so anxious about this virus have never taken a gamble, never chanced their arm and nearly blown everything and are thus unprepared to come up against a virus which they cannot 100% control and where they need to assess the risks and take a chance that they will be OK?

Have we developed into a society so averse to risk and so unused to taking a punt on life that we cannot handle something like an unpredictable virus that requires us to back our assessments by taking a gamble? So much so that people cannot even take the gamble with this virus where the risk is so low as to be virtually nil for most people?

P.S. Interestingly having just written the above I note Toby has put up a link about risk, https://spectator.us/society-elimination-risk-soterian-newsletter/

110929 ▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Steve Martindale, #1266 of 1269 🔗

I now believe that newspaper interviews are entirely made up.

111084 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Steve Martindale, #1267 of 1269 🔗

Every woman who gives birth has had a brush with death. Looked risk full in the face. Doesn’t stop people from being poor at weighing up the likelihood of death or injury

110835 Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1268 of 1269 🔗

Played golf today with 7 others.general consensus is that it’s all bollox.Went to a Toby carvery later in the evening.Packed with everyone getting their last cheap meal courtesy of the chancellor.no masks,visors on any staff or patrons the only thing different is that you can’t serve yourself,other than that a very old normal day

110895 Humanity First, 5, #1269 of 1269 🔗

A thought-provoking post by ‘Moneycircus’ on Off Guardian:

“People want to get on with their lives. It seems there are three ways to do this. One is to try to ignore Covid entirely. This seems impossible because traps have been laid at every door. Testing, surveillance, disinformation, compliance, intrusion into our very computers and working tools. If you are part of the corporate bureaucracy this may work, because in a strange way you ARE Covid.

Another approach is to lash out in all directions, demanding freedom ‘as was’ and pushing back against each and every affront to our lives: smartphones, surveilled email, 5G, the credit-debt trap. In doing so we are forced to reject conventional employment, even conventional locations: perhaps this works if we band together with others, go off grid and ‘back to the land’. We become invisible.

A third approach is to engage the enemy. To seek to identify exactly who is behind this. The targeted approach perhaps allows us to avoid this enemy, to inhabit different planes in the same space. And if most people want to comply, to live in parallel but jostling for space, for land, for rights. This is the most political option, setting oneself against the conspiracy by seeking to define it.
It entails the risk that we let the wrong people off the hook, deceit being nine-tenths of war.

In this case we have no option but to throw our bodies upon the gears. The opportunity is that we find allies, discover that ‘the elite’ is neither uniform nor united and we push back together. We must dig for victory, not earth but information. To be forewarned is to be armed. We become the dissidents but we survive only by looking the enemy in the eye, in tense and permanent opposition.

What doesn’t make any sense is to sit at the computer, describe how criminal, evil and conspiratorial they are — and then to go make a cup of coffee.

Which is it to be?”


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47jim j1226, 1, 3, 5
47Charlie Blue1, 9, 0, 0, 6, 1, 18, 10, 2
47mjr12, 15, 0, 5, 1, 1, 1, 3, 4, 5, 0
46Lisa from Toronto2, 8, 4, 4, 3, 11, 1, 7, 6, 0
45Commander Jameson9, 5, 3, 2, 2, 4, 15, 1, 4
45steve18, 5, 1, 8, 5, 0, 0, 4, 4
40percy openshaw6, 22, 12
39gina5, 2, 1, 2, 3, 8, 18
38Dan Clarke30, 15, 2, 0, 2, 11, 1, 4
38Strange Days3, 1, 20, 4, 3, 0, 3, 0, 4, 0
38Bella Donna5, 0, 6, 0, 0, 2, 0, 0, 12, 2, 11
36Paul Mendelsohn36
35Tenchy11, 0, 6, 4, 1, 2, 13, 5, 2
33Sally15, 18
31Eddie16, 10, 2, 1, 2
31Rowan14, 4, 0, 10, 3, 0
28Laura Suckling1, 3, 12, 9, 3
28Barney McGrew1, 4, 11, 1, 1, -2, 1, 9, 2
28Silke David0, 5, 3, 0, 1, 0, 3, 1, 11, 1, 3
28Edward3, 4, 0, 1, 7, 1, 0, 0, 1, 2, 2, 2, 1, 0, 4, 0
27Coronamoana4, 23
27WhyNow813, 5, 1
27RichardJames0, 3, 1, 1, 19, 0, 3
27AngloWelshDragon1, -3, 0, 1, 0, 0, 3, 2, 1, 3, 12, 7
26Allen22, 4
26Fingerache Philip.620
26Margaret2, 24
26Harry hopkins7, 14, 5
26tonys15, 8, 3
25Alethea5, 5, 3, 5, 2, 3, 2
25wendyk13, 0, 0, 2, 2, 6, 1, 1
24KBuchanan8, 1, 3, 4, 3, 5
24Badgerman2, 5, 0, 7, 1, 2, 4, 3
23Mark II7, 9, 0, 7
23VeryCrossChris23, 0, 0, 0, 0
23NickR4, 3, 2, 5, 2, 1, 6
23BeBopRockSteady13, 3, 2, 0, 0, 2, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1, 1
22Ruth Sharpe2, 1, 7, 12
21Liam6, 2, 4, 0, 6, 3
21T. Prince1, 8, 2, 0, 1, 9
20Seansaighdeoir6, 14
20ianric16, 0, 4
19GiftWrappedKittyCat0, 0, 3, 1, 15
19Sophie12310, 3, 0, 2, 3, 1
18Lms231, 5, 12
18davews5, 0, 8, 4, 1
17swedenborg40, 3, 2, 8
17TheBluePill6, 9, 1, 0, 1
17guy1532, 1, 2, 2, 0, 10
17Bruno1, 1, 0, 2, 3, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 9, 0
16Basileus1, 6, 9
16bluemoon9, 7, 0, 0
16coalencanth120, 1, 0, 0, 13, 2
16PoshPanic1, 2, 3, 2, 0, 8
15hotrod13, 2
15Andy Riley3, 11, 1
15Nigel Sherratt6, 7, 2
14Norma McNormalface14, 0
14p020990036, 7, 1
14zacaway9, 5, 0
13Hoppy Uniatz13
13smurfs10, 3
13DavidC3, 10, 0
13Achilles2, 1, 1, 7, 2
13Tee Ell-5, 1, 2, 2, 12, 1, 0
13Nessimmersion1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 3
12IMoz6, 6
12kf9910, 2
12Will3, 9
12Cruella7, 6, -1
12Steeve4, 2, 1, 2, 3
11A. Contrarian6, 5
11JulieR7, 4
11Sam Vimes4, 4, 3
11kh14853, 2, 3, 3
11Marie R5, 0, 0, 5, 1
10Howie598, 2
10Sarigan10, 0
10Steve2, 8
10arfurmo7, 2, 0, 1
10leggy01, 1, 8
9Mark B9
9snippet8, 1
9Richard Pinch4, 2, 3
9tallandbald3, 2, 4
8Paul Chandler8
7Mark H7
7wat tyler7
7watashi3, 4
7Jane7, 0, 0
7Polemon20, 0, 3, 4
7richard riewer21, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0
6David Grimbleby6
6Tom Blackburn6
6court6, 0
6Kath Andrews2, 3, 1
5Ben Pattinson5
5Jane in France5
5R G5
5DomW1, 4
5Banjones1, 2, 1, 1
5PastImperfect0, 4, 0, 1
5Not Tiger Woods0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 3
4Miss Owl4
4janis pennance0, 4
4Suitejb2, 2
4Tee Ell31
4Alison94, 0, 0
4James H1, 2, 1
4JohnB1, 1, 2, 0
42 pence1, 3, 0, 0, 0
3Newmill Mark3
3Old Bill3
3AllieT2, 1
3Ewan Duffy1, 0, 2
2Dave #KBF2
2Saved To Death2
2alison1, 1
2James Leary #KBF2, 0
2Jaguarpig-2, 1, 2, 1
2Jonathan Smith0, 1, 1, 0
1dorset dumpling1
1Major Panic1
1Peter Thompson1
1Squire Western1
1Ned of the Hills1, 0
1Lucky0, 1, 0, 0, 0
0Dave Tee0
0DJ Dod0
0H K0
0Julian S0
0Bella0, 0
0DressageRider0, 0
0rational actor0, 0
-2peter-4, 2, 0, 0