2020-08-31

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110834 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 26, #1 of 1157 🔗

I ve won !!
and for my prize I’ d like a weekend in Stockholm ( without quarantine on return )

110837 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Peter Thompson, 9, #2 of 1157 🔗

I have just one word for you. Flockimmunitet. My favourite (and only) bit of Swedish.

111038 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Bruno, 7, #3 of 1157 🔗

Back in march, would flock immunity have been more acceptable to the masses than herd immunity?

111190 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Major Panic, 3, #4 of 1157 🔗

It’s a shame about real life, we can’t go back and run a random controlled blind trial.

110909 ▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 20, #6 of 1157 🔗

Places I never wish to visit again are Melbourne, Victoria with dictator Dan Andrews and New Zealand led by the vacuous St Jacinda. The latter has the largest city of Auckland under lockdown level 2.5 not that this 2020 NPI ( non phamaceutical intervention ) copyright China has done or will do much to affect the ultimate course of the viral spread.

110999 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Peter Thompson, 2, #7 of 1157 🔗

And there was I bemoaning a lost opportunity to emigrate to either of those countries. 🙄

110921 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Peter Thompson, #8 of 1157 🔗

do you mean ‘or return’

110836 The Walrus, replying to The Walrus, 6, #9 of 1157 🔗

Corbyn’s GoFundMe taken down already!

110880 ▶▶ TJN, replying to The Walrus, 1, #10 of 1157 🔗

So I was told. Why is that? Who can take it down, or order it taken down? Anyone know?

111020 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TJN, 9, #11 of 1157 🔗

My comment above explains the mystery, the target has been achieved!

111046 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #12 of 1157 🔗

Ok, thanks – I thought it had been taken down before it reached its limit. Good news in a bleak landscape.

111997 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bella Donna, #13 of 1157 🔗

That must really piss ‘them’ off.

110838 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 10, #14 of 1157 🔗

Are we going to talk about how the CDC confirmed that 94% of US covid deaths had comorbidities and only 6% died of covid alone?
https://youtu.be/FkvES1hHWFw

110840 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 5, #15 of 1157 🔗

Lots of comments yesterday.

110854 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #16 of 1157 🔗

It seems that might have been a misunderstanding of how death certicates in the USA are written.
https://medium.com%2F@medium.com/@gidmk/covid-19-deaths-are-mostly-caused-by-coronavirus-2a6d2d43bd09

110873 ▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 9, #17 of 1157 🔗

I love how there’s always someone quick to write an article attempting to debunk data that should take some of the fear out of COVID-19, essentially “yeah, but…still be afraid”.

One of the comments on that Medium article points out that deaths from poisoning, etc, have been counted as COVID-19 deaths…

110879 ▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Mark H, 19, #18 of 1157 🔗

Surely it’s only a matter of time now before someone up on a murder charge says ‘Your honour, I may have stabbed them 15 times with a large knife but it was actually Covid that killed them’

110887 ▶▶▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to dpj, 13, #19 of 1157 🔗

Several Covid deaths have gunshot wounds as comorbidities and road accidents

110901 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 12, #20 of 1157 🔗

There’s a nice comment from Brian on that article stating that 50,000 people are already dying of pneumonia in relation to those “Covid” deaths of people with underlying pneumonia.

This cannot be overstated. Covid as a secondary infection makes it practically indistinguishable from other respiratory infections.

The uniquely Covid cases are the ones where you can see the numbers for Covid.

As has been said here multiple times by others and by me, you need to have low noise data to make good attributions, otherwise you are just counting the noise of Nature and saying it’s different.

Imagine we started a running total on cancer deaths and heart attacks. You get the point.

111468 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mhcp, 3, #21 of 1157 🔗

That’s why ‘All Cause’ mortality is the only way to indirectly assess the impact of Covid.

Any claims to distinguish ‘Covid’ deaths can be dismissed as bollocks (to use a formal statistical term).

111712 ▶▶▶ rational actor, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #22 of 1157 🔗

I know a couple of police officers who have told me that they are aware of at least one homicide victim that was put down as a covid death on the certificate, so I am not surprised by any other type of miscounting. And Medium? Please.

110896 ▶▶ nat, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #23 of 1157 🔗

Toby posted about that in yesterday’s round up, but certainly worth bringing up again.

111135 ▶▶ Will, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 4, #24 of 1157 🔗

Remarkably similar figures to the UK, funnily enough. Peak absurdity was the strategically shaven gorilla, Ross Kemp, in a hospice where three people had “died of” covid.

110845 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 3, #25 of 1157 🔗

Covidiots and masked muttons are AI (Artificially Intelligent).

110951 ▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to richard riewer, 3, #26 of 1157 🔗

Actually the masked muttons are “AI” in the sense of “absent intelligence”.

110846 IMoz, replying to IMoz, 2, #27 of 1157 🔗

Literally can’t make it up: when everyone is qRT-PCR “testing” for COVID-19 like headless chickens, someone publishes a “Teachable Moment” article in JAMA on the detrimental overuse of PCR-type Respiratory Viral Panels! :-))

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2769773

111333 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to IMoz, 1, #28 of 1157 🔗

Did you see the comment?

PAUL FUCHS, M.D. | Solo Family Physician
“The patient . . . charge of $3569 for the RVP . . . cost of an RVP is about $200.”

111338 ▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Cheezilla, #29 of 1157 🔗

I don’t think it’s as tragic as it sounds: it’s charged to the insurance anyway 😉

111630 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to IMoz, 1, #30 of 1157 🔗

Yes, but US insurance costs families at least $10,000 a year. So inflated charges get back to people one way or another. It’s not like the insurance company just swallows them.

110848 IMoz, 7, #31 of 1157 🔗

Here’s something that nobody here would be surprised by:-

All acute anxiety queries were cumulatively 11% (95% CI, 7%-14%) higher than expected ( Figure ) for the 58-day period that started when President Trump first declared a national emergency (March 13, 2020) and ended with the last available date of data (May 9, 2020). This spike was a new all-time high for acute anxiety searches. [Ed] In absolute terms this translates to approximately 375 000 more searches than expected for a total of 3.4 million searches.

The largest spike in acute anxiety queries occurred on March 28, 2020, with 52% (95% PI, 27%-81%) more queries than expected. Moreover, most excess queries occurred between March 16, 2020, and April 14, 2020, when queries were cumulatively 17% (95% CI, 13%-22%) higher than expected. During this time national social distancing guidelines were first imposed (March 16, 2020) and extended (March 29, 2020), the US passed China with the most reported cases (March 26, 2020), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended using facemasks (April 3, 2020), and the US passed Italy for most deaths (April 11, 2020). 5 Queries first returned to expected levels on April 15, 2020, with all queries falling within expected prediction intervals thereafter.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2769543

110849 Eddie, replying to Eddie, 8, #32 of 1157 🔗

Uuugh that pic of Hancock is becoming further nauseating with every viewing.

Apparently the Swedes are stocking up on masks because they just can’t wait for their government to recommend them and are chomping at the bit to play their part. Either that or there’s a number of entrepreneurs looking to flip them to France, Spain and the UK possibly. Oh boy another pro mask MSM news item dropped on our heads again!

All is well on the west coast of Canada. I have blacked out the local media for months but I did see a gov’t commercial last night that almost made me vomit…oh here it is, so touching is the delivery I almost cried
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-6z_1edIrs

110850 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Eddie, 7, #33 of 1157 🔗

Oh and I feel for Adele I must say. I was a wannabee Rastafarian back in my early 20s and rocked the Jamaica ’98 world cup kit all that summer. I never went with dreads but boy did I sure want to (thin white boy hair just wasn’t gonna work). It’s so sad white people can no longer pay tribute to other cultures and be part of something different. Cancel!!!!

110853 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Eddie, 3, #34 of 1157 🔗

The Confederate Flag is also the flag of Rockabilly music.

110892 ▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Eddie, 2, #35 of 1157 🔗

The Police made an entire career of playing cod reggae!

110906 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Strange Days, 7, #36 of 1157 🔗

the Police can play Reggae very well indeed, crap bands like UB40 played cod reggae

110946 ▶▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Biker, 5, #37 of 1157 🔗

No argument from me re UB40, but I don’t l like Sting as a vocalist. The cover of Revolution Rock by The Clash is my touchstone for white boy reggae. It would be a dull old world if we all liked the same things, at present any live gig would be heaven

111276 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Biker, 2, #38 of 1157 🔗

Black Uhuru. Good stuff.

111275 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Strange Days, 3, #39 of 1157 🔗

Cultural Appropriation.

I saw The Police live at Percival Molson Stadium, Montreal, in 1983. The English Beat also performed there that night. Great show.

111767 ▶▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to richard riewer, 1, #40 of 1157 🔗

Mirror in the Bathroom? Here they were simply The Beat, was there also a Canadian band called The Beat?

111829 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Strange Days, 1, #41 of 1157 🔗

It was your The Beat, here English Beat. They sang Mirror in the bathroom and dozens more. Great group. Would have loved to see The Specials and The Selector, but no dice.

111025 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Eddie, 3, #42 of 1157 🔗

I’m thinking of using his face as a darts board!

110852 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 55, #43 of 1157 🔗

The Victorian Government is facing a potential class action expected to be to the tune of several billion dollars brought by the businesses that have been shut down during the state’s stage four restrictions.

Good. Hope to see thousands more in the coming days, weeks and months.

111027 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to richard riewer, 9, #44 of 1157 🔗

Fantastic news.

111634 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to richard riewer, 6, #45 of 1157 🔗

Hopefully that will give British business owners ideas.

110856 Caramel, 4, #46 of 1157 🔗

Weekly webinar from Plan B in NZ. Do watch their other interviews, they have excellent interviews with Prof Sunetra Gupta, Prof Jay Battacharya, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae5Fo4wQDaE

110858 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 15, #48 of 1157 🔗

Argentina offers irrefutable evidence that long lock downs spell disaster
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/comment/argentina-perfect-evidence-that-lockdown-are-a-disaster/

Hailed as a model at the beginning of the pandemic, the world’s longest lockdown has not saved Argentina from coronavirus misery as cases and daily deaths continue to skyrocket

CHRIS MOSS
DESTINATION EXPERT telegraph

110864 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 11, #49 of 1157 🔗

As we learned some time ago, lockdown simply delays the inevitable, if Covid’s gonna get you then eventually it will, unless you stay shielding forever and die of something else first.

110859 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #50 of 1157 🔗

N hs Louise Hampton – Nurse Whistle blower – MUST WATCH AND SHARE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu5KQtzBRYU&t=1s

110865 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 11, #51 of 1157 🔗

Very brave young woman, let’s hope she can find a place in private healthcare when the NHS sack and blackball her.

111799 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to karenovirus, 1, #52 of 1157 🔗

I’m in love! We need hundreds more like her to come forth and speak the truth.

110860 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #53 of 1157 🔗
110866 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #54 of 1157 🔗

05.05 1/9/20
Already been removed, ‘violating terms of service’.
Must have been the truth then.

110868 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to karenovirus, 18, #55 of 1157 🔗

He had also been removed from PayPal

He was showing a US Firefighter doing oxygen tests on masks all of which showed mask fall below the recommend safety level of oxygen. It also showed how dangerous it was for old people to wear masks

110984 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #56 of 1157 🔗

I have had a look on banned.video, but I am not exactly sure what I am searching for. Can anyone provide further details?

111088 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Basileus, 4, #57 of 1157 🔗

I believe you need to search for Politico . Can’t believe it was removed, but nothing surprises me anymore! His YouTube channel is worth watching he is a fellow lockdown sceptic.

110861 ColoradoGirl, replying to ColoradoGirl, 38, #58 of 1157 🔗

All the stories about universities in America are absolutely true. Our daughter is a freshman music major at CSU. In addition to all the usual mask mandates and gathering prohibitions, she was told that she would be allowed into a practice room (by herself) only three hours per week. Because bands and orchestras are cancelled, she was put in three woodwind quintets. They will not be allowed to practice for two weeks. When they can practice, each group will only be allowed 30 minutes rehearsal per week.
Her roommate reported a runny nose and loss of taste on Monday. By the evening she was taken to the isolation dorm in a white van. The poor roommate has not been given a test, so no out until September 4. Surprisingly, our daughter has so far escaped the clutches of the contact tracers. She heard no word from them.
Despite the restrictions, our daughter is making friends and meeting with others—all highly illegal, of course. We are proud of her for making the best of it, but the situation is so maddening!

110867 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to ColoradoGirl, 10, #59 of 1157 🔗

I doubt if University anywhere will be a barrel of laughs this year.

111752 ▶▶ rational actor, replying to ColoradoGirl, 2, #60 of 1157 🔗

Roommate? One of the many things that used to make UK unis superior to their US counterparts were the single rooms. But it seems that even in the midst of a batflu panic US institutions won’t endanger their income by permitting people to live alone, or indeed mandating them to do so.

Also, ‘isolation dorm’ and ‘white van’ are creepy concepts. I am glad your daughter is doing her own thing, which will stand her well in life.

110862 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 15, #61 of 1157 🔗

LOCKDOWNS DON’T WORK

Top 10 Countries for Death Rates (sources Worldometers website)

1 San Marino
2 Peru
3 Belgium
4 Andorra
5 Spain
6 UK
7 Chile
8 Italy
9 Sweden
10 Brazil

All had severe lock downs apart form Sweden and Brazil

111037 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #62 of 1157 🔗

And still the government won’t listen to real facts. They’re going ahead with this scam no matter what. When you read 3 out of 4 people globally will have the vaccine it makes you wonder if they’ve put something in the water supply!

111066 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #63 of 1157 🔗

If cities or states were allowed on the list, would Sweden and Brazil be knocked out of the top ten?

111077 ▶▶ Youth_Unheard, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #64 of 1157 🔗

Buttttt but but as the other side would say, there are 180 countries that have therefore done better than Sweden and Brazil, case closed, evil murderers.

111488 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #65 of 1157 🔗

The only problem is that the Worldometer figures are fraught with data problems.

If you use ‘all-cause’ mortality, Sweden, for instance, does much better than the above list would suggest.

110863 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 28, #66 of 1157 🔗

Breakfast @Beefeater.
(This branch has always been table service).

I popped in for coffee when they reopened in time for the 50% thing a month ago but, as expected, they were Covid Safety Crazeee.
Thought I’d give it a go on the last 50% day.

I’ve been using it for thirty years and was in the habit of ignoring the ‘wait here to be seated’ sign but thought it best to play by the rules.
Greeted promptly by a somewhat fey young young man “ooh have you not booked, let’s see if I can squeeze you in” which he did after leading me around three sides of the restaurant to an empty 6 place table.

He went to explain the new procedures, much the same as always except that I would have trust him to select my fresh fruit salad which I’m a bit picky about so declined.
Apart from that everything was perfectly normal, neither customers or staff with masks, everyone ignoring the remnant floor arrows. Breakfast was excellent, 2nd coffee on the patio and all for less than a fiver.

9 out of 10 for Beefeater.

110876 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 14, #67 of 1157 🔗

fey young young man “ooh have you not booked, let’s see if I can squeeze you in”

Titter ye not

110964 ▶▶▶ Panda, replying to Cecil B, 4, #68 of 1157 🔗

Lol 🙂

110883 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 11, #69 of 1157 🔗

Forgot to mention, no Track’n’Trace at all, they have my card details but I expect data protection and stuff would stop them using that to track me down.

110922 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to karenovirus, 9, #70 of 1157 🔗

I very much doubt that, ‘during the emergency period’. Remember, these people issued guidance for Death Certificates that effectively says “bang ’em through – don’t get the coroner involved, unless you have to”.

111316 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to karenovirus, 1, #71 of 1157 🔗

Clearly not all Beefeaters are equal.

111356 ▶▶ alw, replying to karenovirus, 2, #72 of 1157 🔗

Don’t go to a Mitchells and Butlers owned pub. OTT and soulless.

110870 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #73 of 1157 🔗

The Establishment loves its “hate crimes”.

How about using the term “Covidiot” a hate crime.

110872 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 27, #74 of 1157 🔗

The BBC never give any context to new cases for Covid 19.
They always say new infections to make it sound more deadly.
They never point out that most people who test positive for Covid aren’t actually ill from it and never will be. Also you don’t usually test people for any illness when they are not ill.
They don’t point out that the more people you test the more positive tests you will receive. The so called spikes in Europe have all been down to extra testing.
They never point out the countries that have had the severest lockdowns: Belgium, Peru, France, Italy, Spain had the worst death rates.

110875 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 20, #75 of 1157 🔗

Any news outlet calling a person COVID-19 positive after a test when the person doesn’t have symptoms is lying. COVID-19 is the disease caused by the SARS-COV-2 virus. So, if they don’t symptoms of the disease, they can’t be classed as a “case” of COVID-19.

110931 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mark H, 9, #76 of 1157 🔗

Try telling that to Government and MSM.

Doesn’t work.

111337 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #77 of 1157 🔗

Galileo got into some serious trouble for pointing out that the earth revolves around the sun and not vice versa.

Hard to believe but we’re living a similar experience now. Truth and demonstrable facts are not only ignored but they can get you into trouble.

110888 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 16, #78 of 1157 🔗

I took a screenshot of Toby’s graphs above, illustrating lots of new cases virtually no new deaths. Just showed it to someone when ‘cases’ were being bigged up on the radio. Worked a treat.

110918 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to karenovirus, 26, #79 of 1157 🔗

I’ve a mate who’s very clever indeed, he’s a number of degrees and works in the Aerospace Industry and considers himself smarter than you, he’s not a dick really but he is very smart but he won’t look at this site and disbelieves anything i tell him out of hand. For a clever man he’s thick as shit.

110944 ▶▶▶▶ Alison9, replying to Biker, 14, #80 of 1157 🔗

I know the type – intelligent people who aren’t smart!

111515 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Alison9, 3, #81 of 1157 🔗

My Platoon Sergeant used to say “ten A-levels and no commonsense”.

111805 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Alison9, 1, #82 of 1157 🔗

Ha I do it the other way around, smart people who aren’t intelligent.

110949 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 8, #83 of 1157 🔗

The young person I showed it to probably has 3 or 4 ‘0’ levels but she saw the significance straight away.
I’ve since show it to someone ‘in the military’ who asked about the provenance and was gratifying puzzled.

111008 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Biker, 5, #84 of 1157 🔗

He must know how to work out the surface area of a jam jar lid, but has no clue how to get at the jam.

111057 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Biker, 8, #85 of 1157 🔗

I know a few people like that, the “cleverer” they are the less they are likely to listen to anything outside the acceptable narrative.

111685 ▶▶▶▶ steve, replying to Biker, 4, #86 of 1157 🔗

A friend and his wife are teacher/doctors. Both complete bed wetters and haven’t been seen since feb.

I called a friend up to go hiking. She wanted to Drive with the window open for 2 hours cos she is being “careful” ffs. Didn’t go

110874 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 31, #87 of 1157 🔗

“Pepys’ Diary

1/9/20

Yesterday the freedom loving dictator introduced new laws aimed at crushing all dissent

One of the first beneficiaries was a 72 year old London man who was arrested for making a speech suggesting that the government had been less than truthful with us.

During his ten hours in the pokey, he was offered food that the police themselves declared was not fit for human consumption

He received a fine of ten thousand pounds, which will be enough to buy a loaf of bread by the time Christmas comes

A woman on a flight to Cardiff announced that she has achieved Sainthood. Saint Joan of Dark announced that all the other passengers and crew on the plane were mad and intent on harming her

The authorities agreed and locked all 197 of them up

The beatified one then locked herself up, preventing her return to work

The Greek government promised to put on a free barbeque for Saint Joan if she ever returned to their country

111011 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, 3, #88 of 1157 🔗

So long as it’s the same kind of barbecue the last Saint Joan enjoyed.

111048 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #89 of 1157 🔗

Quod scripsi, scripsi

110877 Albie, replying to Albie, 21, #90 of 1157 🔗

So many people are on power trips lately, none more so than Hancock and Sturgeon. I’m undecided which of those two relish it the most. I’d perhaps go for Sturgeon as she seems to know full well what she’s doing, thus adding a sinister dimension to hers, whereas Hancock seems to make a lot up as he goes along.

110882 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Albie, 12, #91 of 1157 🔗

Hancock is thick.

110886 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to TJN, 5, #92 of 1157 🔗

I agree. A generator of innovation during times of emergency he is not. So where do all his schemes come from?

110894 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Basics, 18, #93 of 1157 🔗

Knee-jerk reactions based on what he feels like at the time, all the while seeking to give the impression that he’s decisive and in control. He sees this episode as a stepping stone to higher office.

He doesn’t appear to be on any leash, or to have to justify his actions to MPs or even the PM (who is essentially absent-without-leave).

A vain, stupid man, whose ineptitude in normal times would ensure a swift return to the back benches, and who I hope one day to see on manslaughter charges.

111065 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TJN, 9, #94 of 1157 🔗

And: Terrorism, Malfeasance in public office, Treason, Manslaughter, War Crimes, and child abuse.

110959 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 14, #95 of 1157 🔗

Someone suggested previously that Johnson and Handprick rely on computer bots trawling through mumsnet and the like to tell what’s trending and basing policy on that. Nothing they have done recently indicates otherwise.

110977 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to karenovirus, 4, #96 of 1157 🔗

Did I read somewhere that one of their metrics was how many Google queries include ‘coronavirus’?

111723 ▶▶▶▶▶ Montag Smith, replying to karenovirus, 2, #97 of 1157 🔗

Handprick. Don’t you mean Chinese Cock?

111279 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basics, 1, #98 of 1157 🔗

His fertile imagination.

111061 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TJN, 5, #99 of 1157 🔗

A useful IDIOT busily working for his global overlords for gold stars and Harribo.

110885 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Albie, 11, #100 of 1157 🔗

https://twitter.com/ELConservatives/status/1300504741315842048?s=20

Things are getting Sturgeon down it’s a slow decline but a pleasing one. It seems she isn’t sleeping too well.

110899 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Albie, 22, #101 of 1157 🔗

Wancock might think that he’s on top of the world now with whilst endowing himself with almost godlike and dictatorial powers but he forgets one thing at his peril – what goes around come around.

His day of reckoning will come and I hope he will be suitably punished for all the misery and harm that he has inflicted on the people of Britain.

110987 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #102 of 1157 🔗

A large portion of the cabinet or suspiciously silent. Are knives being sharpened in the background?.

110997 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basileus, 6, #103 of 1157 🔗

I suspect they are. Like the writing on the wall story in the Bible, Wancock’s days like that of Boris are numbered. He has been weighed on the balances and found wanting.

111028 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #104 of 1157 🔗

This is a classic example of why leaders MUST NOT panic when everybody else does. In situations like this one, people need leadership and reassurance, not misfiring policies and absent ministers.

Or should that be absent policies and misfiring ministers?

111042 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #105 of 1157 🔗

Exactly. Once they panic they lose all credibility and confidence.

And we’re paying for the consequences now.

111026 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basileus, 3, #106 of 1157 🔗

Most definitely. The writing is on the wall if you care to look.

110993 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Bart Simpson, 21, #107 of 1157 🔗

But the glee he seems to show in ruining our lives must also apply to his own life. He is ruining his own life, and that of his children, friends and relatives. That’s one aspect of this I can’t understand. If his policies are driving us towards a Mad Max world, or an East Germany, or a 1984, he’s doing it to himself. Presumably he has a pension scheme and various houses, and lots of cash. Well, when they come for the wealth as they surely will, he stands to end up as poor as the rest of us. Nothing can be relied on any more. He can’t rely on having mates in the government or guaranteed directorships to keep him comfortable, because what is happening is so drastic that we may end up being bought by China, or installing a bona fide dictator.

We had a chance to recover the old normal a few months back. Maybe we still could with a full-on “It’s Over” campaign, but these dickheads seem determined to ruin their own lives as well as ours.

111000 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Barney McGrew, 8, #108 of 1157 🔗

Agree. It makes you wonder if he does ever think of the effects his insane policies are affecting his family and friends.

Or he doesn’t care thinking he’s doing it for the “greater good”

I do sincerely hope that his reckoning will include what you’ve mentioned above – complete and utter ostracism to the point that he will be peniless and friendless in the end.

111466 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #109 of 1157 🔗

Psychopaths don’t have empathy

111281 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #110 of 1157 🔗

Like Hitler.

111022 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #111 of 1157 🔗

With a bullet, I hope.

110923 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Albie, 18, #112 of 1157 🔗

Sturgeon doesn’t know what’s she’s doing. Like a lot of these MP’s they talk and talk and talk and say fuck all because they know fuck all. Sturgeon is a classic example of this. I hate them for it. She doesn’t have the decency to know her own limitations. When i worked in a shipyard that refitted War Ships we had a sub in for a new gearbox amongst other things. The gaffer picked this asshole who didn’t know fuck all to lead the team to refit the gearbox. Four months latter after i’d be twirling my thumbs fixing boilers and the like they got me and this other dude to take over. The useless fucker had caused millions of pounds of damage when they switched on the gear box and it wasn’t done right. he know he wasn’t up to the task, everyone knew but he was a asshole, a mason and a union man, i was none of these things. On the completion of this job i left and worked for five years for a very prestigious car company.

111030 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Biker, 2, #113 of 1157 🔗

These days it’s the destroyers that keep on breaking down.

111075 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Biker, 5, #114 of 1157 🔗

The only unique skill that all politicians share, is being able to talk non stop, without saying a word.

111137 ▶▶▶▶ Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, replying to PoshPanic, 4, #115 of 1157 🔗

As the Godfather himself said:
Like a dull knife that just aint cuttin’
he’s talkin’ loud and saying nothin’
(James Brown)

110878 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #116 of 1157 🔗

Pupils to face GCSE and A-Level exam delay next summer

The Education Secretary has indicated he will back plans to give pupils more time

Frank Spencer strikes again

110881 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #117 of 1157 🔗

Already mentioned this 9ngoing defence of Holyrood agaisnt the supposed threat of extinction rebellion protests. But here for tge record is local press covering the story from a few days ago.

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/heightened-police-presence-around-holyrood-18852233

Relevant by comparrison to the weekends Lockdown protests. Will a £10k bill be issues to the establishmemt stooge the ‘information’ came from.

110890 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Basics, 3, #118 of 1157 🔗

No

111031 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, #119 of 1157 🔗

Find out this coming weekend. Isn’t there an anti-lockdown protest in E’boro on Saturday?

111386 ▶▶ ikaraki, replying to Basics, #120 of 1157 🔗

There are/were indeed a lot of police at Holyrood, thought it was a bit odd when I have been driving past, especially when there was one standing outside the Royal Mile entrance at 02:00…

110884 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 41, #121 of 1157 🔗

I think the article is a little harsh on Mr Corbyn, with the comment on there is little I can agree on what Corbyn says. His argument for Brexit has been balanced as has been his challenge of the climate change narrative – I can’t comment on the 5G issue as I have yet to look into the supposed controversy over this, and to debunk his argument without first researching into the basis of his opposition would be unfair. However, whether you agree with his sentiments or not, he cannot be denied his guts for going out there and standing by his beliefs and not for financial gain or self promotion.

111289 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nsklent, 3, #122 of 1157 🔗

James Delingpole would have called Mr. Young’s remarks cuckish.

110889 hotrod, replying to hotrod, 2, #123 of 1157 🔗

Can anyone explain the specific reasons why cases increase but deaths do not?

Those charts on Today’s home page are fantastic but as I share with family and colleagues today I know I will be challenged to explain them.

What is so different now to what it was in March?

Why is every country not seeing the deaths?

110893 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to hotrod, 7, #124 of 1157 🔗

Why don’t you challenge them to explain them?

110897 ▶▶ TJN, replying to hotrod, 11, #125 of 1157 🔗

Largely down to a false impression created by PCR testing, and greatly increased PCR testing. A positive PCR test is recorded as a ‘case’, although only a proportion (and possibly a small proportion) are actual ‘cases’.

https://twitter.com/MichaelYeadon3/status/1300430872164937728?s=20

Also maybe the virus is less serious than it was, as commonly happens with such viruses as they mutate over time.

Another factor may be that back in the spring the disease spread in large part through hospitals and the like, which meant it got to very vulnerable people – hence deaths. There do appear to be better protocols in place now to stop hospital spread.

111056 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to TJN, 2, #126 of 1157 🔗

Also maybe the virus is less serious than it was, as commonly happens with such viruses as they mutate over time.”

Less mutate as evolve. Every virus is different as it is formed from RNA recombination under protein refolding. Those that kill their hosts won’t spread, whereas those that don’t will – passing their RNA onto the next refolding event.

Creationists won’t like it 🙂

111340 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Lucan Grey, #127 of 1157 🔗

Yes, evolve may be a more accurate description – your second para. is what I was getting at.

110961 ▶▶ matt, replying to hotrod, 15, #128 of 1157 🔗

A few reasons

Firstly, the increase in community testing means that infections are being found that otherwise would have been there anyway, but undetected because symptoms are either very mild or not present at all. An inevitable false positive rate from the tests (whatever that false positive rate is) will also necessarily be inflating the numbers.

Secondly, as compared with March, when “case numbers” were at similar levels, larger numbers of the people being tested are either not sick, or not very sick. In March, only people ill enough to be admitted to hospital (plus healthcare workers) were being tested, meaning that a higher proportion of them would have been sick enough for the disease to kill them (or contribute to their deaths). People being tested now are mostly people who decide to get tested because they have mild symptoms, or just for the hell of it because they have no symptoms at all. You can see this in the France numbers – a significant jump in cases in mid August, when the rules were changed so that you could get a test without a doctor’s prescription (the doctor’s prescription indicating that you probably had symptoms).

Thirdly, these “cases” are being found in a younger, healthier demographic than the people affected in March. These are not the elderly in care homes, or people who were already ill enough to be in hospital, these are healthy, active people who have absolutely nothing to fear from an infection (depending on the level of fear you would consider appropriate for a bit of a head cold).

Finally, it’s possible that the virus has attenuated – that is, mutated to be less severe. A number of doctors have been suggesting this. My query here is whether this is necessary to understand the apparent change in IFR, which (for the reasons above) it probably isn’t. It’s still perfectly possible though, not least because that’s what viruses tend to do.

110978 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to matt, 5, #129 of 1157 🔗

Doctors are saying that treatments which did not work in March are working now which may indicate that the Covid has mutated into something more benign which is what some virus do.

111039 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to matt, 3, #130 of 1157 🔗

SARS-COV-2 is an RNA virus, rather than a DNA virus, and as a result mutates more quickly. Researchers believe this one is mutating more slowly than expected however.

It’s possible that it started out as a benign virus, mutated into a more deadly strain that self-destructed (if a virus kills its hosts, it’s on borrowed time itself), leaving behind the “original” which is still relatively benign.

111251 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #131 of 1157 🔗

Coronaviruses mutate rather slowly compared to other RNA viruses because they have error correction in in their RNA polymerase.

There is one mutation that has definitely undergone natural selection called “D614G”. It emerged in Europe in about February and became the dominant strain. It was more infectious and about the same mortality.

Another mutation that was in the news was the “382 nucleotide deletion” mutation that was first detected around the end of January. This has been confirmed to make the disease less severe but doesn’t have much effect on infectiousness. I don’t think this strain has become particularly dominant though.

There have been a total of about 300,000 known “mutation events” but they are mostly just changes of one nucleotide in places that don’t matter.

So it might have evolved to become less deadly, but the explanation matt gave is far more likely– we’re just doing a lot more testing. The UK still officially has about 300,000 “cases” but the true number of people who were ever infected is likely to be greater than 20 million , most of them around the first few weeks of March. If you drew the true first “wave” on the graph anything that’s happening now is just a ripple, even without the false positives.

111362 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to guy153, #132 of 1157 🔗

Is the error correction a natural attribute of the RNA or was it inserted in a lab?

111661 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to richard riewer, #133 of 1157 🔗

I think it’s something coronaviruses have had for thousands or millions of years

111839 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to guy153, #134 of 1157 🔗

They were the first to create error correction. Impressive.

110962 ▶▶ stewart, replying to hotrod, 4, #135 of 1157 🔗

The cases are positive tests, not sick people. Most people who test positive aren’t sick in any way.

This form of mass testing for a virus is completely unprecedented.

If tested they everyone in the same way for the flu virus, they would also find thousands of people who tested positive but aren’t sick. Maybe more, given that more people are actually sick and dying with flu than Covid at the moment.

110976 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to stewart, 9, #136 of 1157 🔗

Now and again, if people mention going to the doctor (remember that?), I trot out my ‘joke’:

My mate went for a blood test – they found it all around his body!

What they are doing now, for real, is no less silly than that.

111245 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to stewart, 1, #137 of 1157 🔗

That’s what usually seems to be the case with footballers etc. who test positive – they’re not showing any symptoms but still have to self-isolate. I’m sure all sorts of things relating to illnesses could be found in people’s bodies – normally we don’t look for them unless the person is unwell. Is anyone from the Tui flight to Wales actually unwell? – the media have been quiet on that aspect while making lots of fuss about those who didn’t wear masks.

111365 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stewart, 1, #139 of 1157 🔗

Hypochondria is an infectious disease.

110970 ▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to hotrod, 16, #140 of 1157 🔗

The word ‘case’ has been redefined (much like the word ‘woman’, but that’s a rant for another day), but you won’t get the MSM or government to admit that. Back in March a ‘case’ was someone with symptoms sufficiently serious as to require hospitalisation.

But now a ‘case’ is simply someone who has a positive test. And all a positive test indicates is that the subject has certain RNA fragments in their body. It’s not confirmation that they are carrying a viable virus, are infectious, or are actually ill. And with greatly increased testing a greater number of ‘cases’ will be discovered. But the ‘case’ numbers are meaningless, unless you want to perpetuate the fear.

Deaths are way down because most of those who were vulnerable to COVID-19 have already succumbed to it.

110973 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to hotrod, 7, #141 of 1157 🔗

This is not new.
Before our lockdown in March things were looking very bad in S.Korea with a death rate some 10% of cases.
They implemented a mass testing of, from memory, 500,000 random people many of whom proved to have already had the disease but not noticed.
Their death rate was subsequently amended to 0.001%. A cause for celebration and merriment.

Hanprick must know of this but is using the same metric to declare disaster and lockdown, tosser.

111087 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to karenovirus, 3, #142 of 1157 🔗

Megalomaniac, in fact.

110891 karenovirus, 7, #143 of 1157 🔗

Young lady who went to Weston Super Mare for the bank holiday tells me that all was relatively relaxed except they were obliged to wear masks on the fun pier, not just inside the arcades but when perambulating up and down in the fresh sea air (one way walking of course).

110898 Humanity First, replying to Humanity First, 22, #144 of 1157 🔗

A thought-provoking post by ‘Moneycircus’ on Off Guardian:

“People want to get on with their lives. It seems there are three ways to do this. One is to try to ignore Covid entirely. This seems impossible because traps have been laid at every door. Testing, surveillance, disinformation, compliance, intrusion into our very computers and working tools. If you are part of the corporate bureaucracy this may work, because in a strange way you ARE Covid.

Another approach is to lash out in all directions, demanding freedom ‘as was’ and pushing back against each and every affront to our lives: smartphones, surveilled email, 5G, the credit-debt trap. In doing so we are forced to reject conventional employment, even conventional locations: perhaps this works if we band together with others, go off grid and ‘back to the land’. We become invisible.

A third approach is to engage the enemy. To seek to identify exactly who is behind this. The targeted approach perhaps allows us to avoid this enemy, to inhabit different planes in the same space. And if most people want to comply, to live in parallel but jostling for space, for land, for rights. This is the most political option, setting oneself against the conspiracy by seeking to define it.
It entails the risk that we let the wrong people off the hook, deceit being nine-tenths of war.

In this case we have no option but to throw our bodies upon the gears. The opportunity is that we find allies, discover that ‘the elite’ is neither uniform nor united and we push back together. We must dig for victory, not earth but information. To be forewarned is to be armed. We become the dissidents but we survive only by looking the enemy in the eye, in tense and permanent opposition.

What doesn’t make any sense is to sit at the computer, describe how criminal, evil and conspiratorial they are — and then to go make a cup of coffee.
Which is it to be?”

110925 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Humanity First, 5, #145 of 1157 🔗

i’m right behind you bro, you tell us who we need go fight and i’m there, since you’re the big man and all

111050 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Biker, 6, #146 of 1157 🔗

We need to educate the people who are captivated by the msm and ‘gov’t’ propaganda. Most means of communication is denied to us. We can still try to engage with people we know, even at the risk of alienating some – but who cares as this is a matter of life or slow death. We can each also print a dozen or so leaflets, distribute them or post them on notice boards. As a start, I put together a leaflet in word, three to a landscape page, double sided and shown below.

HCQ

HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE

People in the global South take the anti-malarial drug HCQ. Nobody there died of Covid-19 . Our ‘governments’ denied us access to HCQ and many who suffered from Covid-19 died needlessly. One tablet of HCQ per week guards against infection from Sars-Cov-2.

A group of doctors in the United States have successfully treated hundreds of Covid-19 patients with HCQ, but the authorities there are desperately trying to deny them access to the drug. Any mention of HCQ on the internet is quickly taken down. There has also been a major disinformation campaign where fraudulent ‘scientific’ papers attacking HCQ have been published.

HCQ is cheap, safe and effective and means that very expensive vaccines are completely unnecessary.

Charlie Kirk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn2P4-cK_K8&feature=youtu.be
Alan Jones in Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF4xhhCkmPA
Del Bigtree
https://thehighwire.com/videos/doctors-love-it-fauci-hates-it-why/
Corbett Report
https://www.corbettreport.com/

111510 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #147 of 1157 🔗

HCQ is effective, but should be accompanied by Zinc (which is the actual killing agent) an antibiotic (normally Azithromycin) which deals with any pneumonic bacterial infection, and for those who become symptomatic, a blood thinner such as low-dose aspirin to avoid lung damage from micro-clots, a common side-effect of the disease.

111063 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Biker, 3, #148 of 1157 🔗

We need to educate the people who are captivated by the msm and ‘gov’t’ propaganda. Most means of communication is denied to us. We can still try to engage with people we know, even at the risk of alienating some – but who cares as this is a matter of life or slow death. We can each also print a dozen or so leaflets, distribute them or post them on notice boards. As a start, I put together a leaflet in word, three to a landscape page, double sided and shown below.

I tried posting this with links I had on the other side, but it is awaiting approval and may never make it, so here is the front. (HCQ was 120 point)

HCQ
HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE
People in the global South take the anti-malarial drug HCQ. Nobody there died of Covid-19 . Our ‘governments’ denied us access to HCQ and many who suffered from Covid-19 died needlessly. One tablet of HCQ per week guards against infection from Sars-Cov-2.

A group of doctors in the United States have successfully treated hundreds of Covid-19 patients with HCQ, but the authorities there are desperately trying to deny them access to the drug. Any mention of HCQ on the internet is quickly taken down. There has also been a major disinformation campaign where fraudulent ‘scientific’ papers attacking HCQ have been published.
HCQ is cheap, safe and effective and means that very expensive vaccines are completely unnecessary.

111330 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Humanity First, 3, #149 of 1157 🔗

I think you’ll find that many come here to read and vent just to stay sane.

We are also here to cheer on anyone who has any specific ideas – like KBF, or marches, or whatever it might be. Don’t underestimate the importance of cheerleaders.

110902 Baloo, replying to Baloo, 19, #150 of 1157 🔗

I can confirm in the Leicester hospital trusts my brother in-law has been instructed that he won’t be allowed to be with his wife until she arrives on labour suite. Whether he is actually allowed in there until she actually starts pushing/baby arrives I’m not sure. No partners/husband’s are allowed on the postnatal wards (although both parents are allowed on neonatal wards) thus he will be allowed maybe an hour or two before he is kicked out and wife and baby taken to the postnatal ward.

From the same hospital(s) when collecting baby to go home, mum has to carry baby (presumably in a car seat) to the front hospital entrance (SiL observed a mother of twins struggling to do this). Welcoming a baby into the world was a special and extremely emotional time when two people or family members were required for the support and well-being of the mother. Seems now it’s become a horror show with sadistic people power tripping to enforce this is insanity.

110905 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Baloo, 18, #151 of 1157 🔗

Just another example of the NHS being utterly horrible. The whole thing is anti human. I’d find a barn and give birth next to a donkey before id set foot in one of their disgusting hospitals where if the nurses or the doctors don’t kill you the bugs that liv everywhere will.

110907 ▶▶▶ Humanity First, replying to Biker, 14, #152 of 1157 🔗

Yes it is all anti-human. It is clear that all those pushing for this new world are bereft of any sense of, or empathy for, humanity.

110927 ▶▶▶ Baloo, replying to Biker, 10, #153 of 1157 🔗

I’d say that was a little strong. From my recent experiences the midwives, Drs and nurses are beyond excellent. The utterly subhuman realities are the edicts coming from management and enforced by those power tripping or coerced through threats of their job (Stanford prison experiment springs to mind). But the fact still remains of the over exaggeration of this threat. Take precautions for a nosocomial disease, don’t make being human utterly miserable in the process.

111291 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Baloo, #154 of 1157 🔗

They could go home immediately after neonatal.

111036 ▶▶ Cbird, replying to Baloo, 6, #155 of 1157 🔗

Not the same thing, but similarly f***ed up: my niece had her first scan recently, no husband allowed of course. She was told that the next scan will show whether the baby is a boy or a girl, but naturally husband will still be banned. So the nurse is going to write the sex down on a bit of paper so that my niece and her husband can find out together. Nuts

111642 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Cbird, 1, #156 of 1157 🔗

Don’t be silly. The sex isn’t assigned until birth and then it’s meaningless – they’ll have to wait until the child displays a preference for toy dolls or soldiers and only then they’ll definitively know the gender.

111334 ▶▶ Sonia, replying to Baloo, 2, #157 of 1157 🔗

It’s all rather absurd. Had my book in appointment over the phone, after I had to book it over the phone. Was advised I have to be home alone and it will take an hour, so we can discuss weather I am in an abusive relationship. They didn’t because they couldn’t be sure that my husband is not listening/ controlling me. 12 weeks scan alone, obviously, but husband had to take time off as needed transport and childcare. Deemed high risk by powers to be and needed more consultant appointments. 16 weeks appointment, husband needs to take time off again, they tried to change it 7 MINUTES before the appointment to phone call only. 20 weeks scan on my own. Do NOT need to see anybody for next 10 week. Go figure. My next appointments will be to see midwife, have a blood test, have a scan and have an anti-D jab. All in one week on separate days.Not sure if they think hospital is a dangerous place or place to be for me. Looking forward to that fun.

110903 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #158 of 1157 🔗

Why has the government banned all gatherings of 30 people?

It cannot be the virus as it is no longer a threat

Why did the government announce an extra 13 quid a day for people on benefits?

Could it be that there will be 20+ million unemployed by Christmas?

Could it be that all private property (except for a chosen few) will need to be confiscated to pay the bills?

When the paid for holidays, subsidised meals, loans on the never never, and the ritual clapping stops it’s not going to be pretty

110985 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 3, #159 of 1157 🔗

You can now be with 500 people if you are Swedish.

111233 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to karenovirus, 1, #160 of 1157 🔗

Not yet karenovirus! They’re talking about a 500 person limit from October 1st… but only under certain conditions – people must be seated, for example.

Interestingly the Police are saying it will be too tricky to check up on, which is odd because as far as I have observed, they haven’t been checking the 50 person limit that much. Not read of them turning up at any weddings to count the guests, for example. So I’m wondering what is going on here, and whether they really will start taking an interest in bigger gatherings?

It’s of interest to me as I’m a member of a very big church and our meetings have been online since March.

110904 Biker, replying to Biker, 26, #161 of 1157 🔗

It’s nothing to do with the virus and everything to do with taking over our country and making us live under the jack boots of god knows who. Cunts like Handcock and Johnstone are deep state operatives and have sold us out. They have no right to do this to us so they have bypassed Parliament though that makes no difference since the Labour,Liberals and the vile nazi’s the SNP are all collaborating with this sinister group we don’t know who they are. They’ve removed the Queen an she’s been silenced and they’re coming for us. They need to be stopped

110930 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 9, #162 of 1157 🔗

How are we going to stop them? They know who we are – easy, the ones without muzzles. And we’ll all be recorded on facial recognition by now. That’s why the police haven’t been doing anything, and we’ve been free to go out and about bare faced. Neat trick to nail us down. Pretty soon regular posters on this site will no longer be posting, anything anywhere.

During his time in ICU Johnson was replaced with a look-alike. Hancock is an android.

By the way, how’s it going with your lad’s school providing all those muzzles?

110988 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJN, 6, #163 of 1157 🔗

I thought of that when mass masking became a thing, wearing them is inexpensive and simple, not wearing is easily observable.

110956 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Biker, 12, #164 of 1157 🔗

I buy into that to a degree, on the basis that no single government and political system could be this incompetent, let alone a whole group of them. However, I think the really nasty nihilists and operatives are not the names you mention. They are merely the useful idiots. The ones who need to be watched include the lead WHO chappie, the editor of the Lancet, certain members of SAGE and ‘also ran’ SAGE. Closer to the seat of power, I would also question the affiliations of Ms Carrie and Mr Cummings. Boris is a careless, lazy overgrown teenager who is incapable of managing his own health, weight and personal circumstances let alone the country. Easy to be shoved around! Hancock is a jumped up pipsqueak, whose CV (read an interview in Tatler, I think from some time ago) suggests he was generally not particularly smart or competent. Williamson is so stupid, it beggars belief anyone thought he should be allowed out beyond selling fireplaces. But all these people are useful if there is an agenda, which I think there is – to destroy western capitalism.

111004 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #165 of 1157 🔗

Would this have anything to do with what is going on?

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_un03.htm

111228 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #166 of 1157 🔗

Show’s how long it’s been in the planning too…

111044 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #167 of 1157 🔗

Yes there is a thread of belief that is common to those with the power here. They are Collectivists who believe society is better run and will be more prosperous with technocratic control.

I bet if you asked each one what is the best way for society to be run, they would not say Free Markets, Minimal Government intervention, Say Whatever the hell you like etc etc.

They believe in the government acting as a guiding hand.

Basically, they have never read the paragraphs in Wealth of Nations about the Invisible Hand and the conditions that cause it to appear.

111098 ▶▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to mhcp, 5, #168 of 1157 🔗

A very good word. We sometimes use “socialist” to mean the same thing, but it has too many other connotations. Collectivist is about right.

110986 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 8, #169 of 1157 🔗

Probably right but I think Johnson has been bypassed and is now a puppet Prime Minister.

111230 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to karenovirus, 2, #170 of 1157 🔗

UK column imply that this is the case..

110908 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 23, #171 of 1157 🔗

Great update today Toby especially with links to perceptive and interesting articles. The interview with Professor Thakur is especially worth reading and deserves to be widely shared.

I am currently drafting a letter of complaint to Transport for London and would like your thoughts and input. Here’s what I’ve written so far:

I am writing to complain about your posters on the Underground network which are not only an eyesore for their repetitive displays but also for their patronising content as if we are idiots who need to be told what to do and how to behave on public transport.

Most especially I take exception to two posters – one exhorting passengers to “Be Kind” alongside manipulative, misleading and threatening ones with regards to wearing masks/face coverings. I find both posters contradictory and hypocritical. Using public transport during this time is already stressful enough especially for people who are exempt from wearing a mask/face covering with the fear of being shamed or even verbally abused.

To paraphrase a popular saying, kindness begins at home so perhaps your PR team should have been aware of the contradiction and hypocrisy between the exhortations of kindness on one hand while threatening passengers with either a withdrawal of service or a massive fine should they not comply with what is essentially a guideline and NOT law. My interpretation of this is that you are not following what you are encouraging passengers to do and instead your posters actually incite your staff and passengers to verbally abuse and harass those who are not wearing face coverings/masks.

This leads me to conclude that Transport for London not only holds the people of London in contempt but also does not care for the needs and feelings of access passengers whether their condition is visible or not.

Thank you and I look forward to your response.

111002 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Bart Simpson, 29, #172 of 1157 🔗

I did 2 tours of duty in Afghanistan…If they think I would even blink for fear about being verbally abused or shamed for not wearing a mask on public transport, they are clearly deluded. Beats being shot and shelled for 3 days straight anytime..Never back down, you are in the right here not the sheeple.

111034 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Thomas_E, 6, #173 of 1157 🔗

Ditto my friend. Never back down. Thanks for your service. Arnie.

111059 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #174 of 1157 🔗

Well said. Many thanks for this – its an inspiration.

111099 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #175 of 1157 🔗

I can’t imagine how scary that must be, being shot at and shelled.

111770 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #176 of 1157 🔗

Excellent.

110910 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 5, #177 of 1157 🔗

I am greeted with

Keep to the right!
Stop!
Turn your engine off!
No Photography!
No recording!

Where am I?

110911 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steeve, 2, #178 of 1157 🔗

Faslane nuclear base?

110913 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Cecil B, 1, #179 of 1157 🔗

Felt like it!

110912 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steeve, 3, #180 of 1157 🔗

Burger King?

110917 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Cecil B, 2, #181 of 1157 🔗

Are you amusing me?

110919 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steeve, #182 of 1157 🔗

No, no, no, Don’t tell me I’ll get there in the end

110928 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Cecil B, #183 of 1157 🔗

Great!

110914 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steeve, #184 of 1157 🔗

A pro Trump demo in Portland?

110915 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steeve, #185 of 1157 🔗

MI6 HQ?

110920 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #186 of 1157 🔗

Could be some connection!

110916 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steeve, 1, #187 of 1157 🔗

Me gun and arries new book launch?

110924 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Cecil B, #188 of 1157 🔗

Brilliant! but No

110926 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steeve, #189 of 1157 🔗

Took some time but got there in the end. That Welsh castle where they are to doing the reality show

110939 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, #190 of 1157 🔗

No?, Drat, first day in the marines?

110943 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Cecil B, #191 of 1157 🔗

No! but maybe the greeter had military training!

110947 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steeve, 1, #192 of 1157 🔗

Buck House garden party?

111069 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Cecil B, #193 of 1157 🔗

She is not amused!

110937 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steeve, #194 of 1157 🔗

School drop-off

110941 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Charlie Blue, #195 of 1157 🔗

Very plausible!

110945 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steeve, 2, #196 of 1157 🔗

‘Very plausible’. FFS. I’ve had six months of VP from SAGE. Is it the school drop off or not? We need some certainty in our lives

110953 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Cecil B, #197 of 1157 🔗

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

110942 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Charlie Blue, #198 of 1157 🔗

After all the effort I’ve put in I hope your not right

110960 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Steeve, #199 of 1157 🔗

Have a great day Cecil B!

110974 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steeve, 2, #200 of 1157 🔗

No please don’t leave me, everybody I ever cared about has left me. I’ll be good I promise. I will get it, I will, please give me some more time.

Please don’t do this to me

111035 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Cecil B, #201 of 1157 🔗

I left but felt your pain!

111006 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Steeve, #202 of 1157 🔗

Testing station?

111033 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to bluemoon, #203 of 1157 🔗

NHS Hospital or Community?

111053 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steeve, #204 of 1157 🔗

community

111054 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, #205 of 1157 🔗

hospital

111058 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Cecil B, #206 of 1157 🔗

Your free Home Testing kit is on it’s way! Expect a knock anytime…………………………………………………. .NOW!

111062 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steeve, #207 of 1157 🔗

I won!, I won!, Keep the testing kit. I’ll take three weeks all inclusive on the Diamond Princess.

111067 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Cecil B, #208 of 1157 🔗

How about the MV Corona Vision Cruise That is the real prize!!

Enjoy your day and STAY SAFE OVER AND OUT!

111070 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Cecil B, #209 of 1157 🔗

Hey budge over. I posted testing station. So we should have adjoining cabins perhaps.

111079 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to bluemoon, 1, #210 of 1157 🔗

You also have won a cabin on the Luxury MV Corona FREEDOM CRUISE ENJOY!

111064 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steeve, 2, #211 of 1157 🔗

I doubt it, I won’t even let my parents have my name and address at the moment

111483 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, #212 of 1157 🔗

Thanks you two. It’s good to laugh!

110932 The Spingler, replying to The Spingler, 9, #213 of 1157 🔗

What’s with Jeremy Hunt this morning on Radio 4? Stating as fact that the vast majority of infections are spread by people who show no symptoms. What he must have meant, because surely he has a better grasp on the science than that, most infections are spread by pre symptomatic people. By asserting unproven and unlikely asymptomatic spread he keeps the fear levels ramped up.

110933 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to The Spingler, 10, #214 of 1157 🔗

He is as bonkers as handy cock

110938 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to The Spingler, 6, #215 of 1157 🔗

Beware the Invisible Killer! You’re all going to die, unless you do as we say.

110955 ▶▶▶ tonys, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #216 of 1157 🔗

The invisible symptomless killer, it only dispatches those who fall under a bus within 28 days of diagnosis.

110969 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to tonys, 5, #217 of 1157 🔗

It’s worse! We have local restrictions, so it will kill me if my neighbour comes into my garden! Aieee….

110967 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to The Spingler, 9, #218 of 1157 🔗

He has no medical or scientific background as he studied PPE at Oxford. Pretty much everyone at the top involved with the health response is Oxford PPE – Matt Hancock, Sir Simon Stevens, Dido Harding.

110989 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 10, #219 of 1157 🔗

At this rate someone will have to sue Oxford and their PPE department for their role in the damage they have inflicted on this country. Much like History of Art, PPE is meedja studies for thick, posh people but much more dangerous.

111256 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #220 of 1157 🔗

I don’t know much about philosophy, but one aspect of it is the various types of logical fallacies (my modest knowledge of which comes from looking things up on Wikipedia). In a better world the knowledge of these fallacies might lead to a higher standard of politics, but instead the whole of politics is riddled with fallacious arguments. It’s as if they turn the philosophy around to try and fool all of the people all of the time.

111651 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Edward, 1, #221 of 1157 🔗

Well said and I did wonder if they really studied philosophy at all or its a cobbled together version, kind of like Cliff Notes for Philosophy.

110996 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to The Spingler, 4, #222 of 1157 🔗

And this idiot is the Chair of the Health and Social Care parliamentary committee holding the government to account over their handling of the farce.

What a joke.

he also did not challenge Whitty on his statement on 21 July 2020 when he admitted the virus was under control prior to lockdown starting and he also thinks social distancing is all in England.

Pulled him up on both of these but no response from him or Hancock.

111021 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to The Spingler, 5, #223 of 1157 🔗

70% he said, much the same as other viral illness, if he said what he really meant. All his panacea of testing all teachers, every week would have the effect of shutting down schools again, without need. Exactly what the teaching Unions want to happen. The man is a fool.

111040 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to The Spingler, 8, #224 of 1157 🔗

He’s essentially saying “My God people have bones in their legs”

We carry viruses all the time. They just don’t get to even the asymptomatic state as your body restricts them from increasing in number. Just think about that for a second. It’s the same with bacteria on you right now.

What we are seeing is a microscope being focussed on the noise of Nature and the panickers wailing that we have unseen dangers.

It would be pathetic if not so dangerous.

111949 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to The Spingler, 1, #225 of 1157 🔗

Jeremy HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHunt

110934 Awkward Git, 6, #226 of 1157 🔗

I copied my letter from the weekend to my MP to his constituency office.

They just replied confirming they have forwarded it to him in London.

He cannot deny now he knew nothing about it.

One coherent answer from “him” or his officecanyway.

110935 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 13, #227 of 1157 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/mind/return-work-virologist-doctor-would-do/ (paywall) but basically wear a mask, keep away from everyone, beware the communal refrigerator and don’t even think of going into work if you have a minor sniffle.Honestly you would think it was bubonic plague, ebola, Spanish flu and the Zombie virus rolled into one. And this from a virologist and expert in molecular oncology from Warwick Medical School and  a specialist in workplace wellbeing. Experts? I’ve had enough of them.

110936 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to arfurmo, 8, #228 of 1157 🔗

Eat the experts

110990 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to arfurmo, 4, #229 of 1157 🔗

Down with the experts!

111123 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #230 of 1157 🔗

Shoot some of them, pour encourager les autres.

111029 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to arfurmo, 6, #231 of 1157 🔗

I used to read a comic when I was a kid called 2000AD, it’s the one with Judge Dredd in it. In one story there were anti scientist riots. Ok we’re not anywhere close to that thankfully but science and medicine has totally discredited itself this year, all in plain sight, and yet still the majority of people are blind to it. ‘There’s nowt so blind as those who refuse to see. ‘

111410 ▶▶▶ ikaraki, replying to Arnie, 2, #232 of 1157 🔗

Ah, 2000AD had some mint stories! Always liked ABC Warriors, and right now I recommend Nemesis the Warlock, very appropriate…

111435 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to ikaraki, #233 of 1157 🔗

I will have look ikaraki, thanks for the heads up.

111536 ▶▶▶▶▶ ikaraki, replying to Arnie, #234 of 1157 🔗

“Be Pure! Be Vigilant! Behave!”

111970 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Arnie, #235 of 1157 🔗

What about the megacity Blobs craze? When I see all those faceless maskers, that’s what I think of.

110940 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #236 of 1157 🔗

In light of the government’s ‘consultation paper’, it’s time for T-Shirt slogan #3:

“If You Accept Mandatory Vaccination, You Must Have A Little Prick”

110950 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #237 of 1157 🔗

We’ve got one, he’s running the country

110965 ▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Cecil B, 4, #238 of 1157 🔗

Running from his responsibilities

111023 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #239 of 1157 🔗

Great one Sam! More please.

111405 ▶▶ ikaraki, replying to Sam Vimes, #240 of 1157 🔗

Ah, 2000AD had some mint stories! Always liked ABC Warriors, and right now I recommend Nemesis the Warlock, very appropriate…

111407 ▶▶▶ ikaraki, replying to ikaraki, #241 of 1157 🔗

Well sorry, website went weird, replied to wrong person!

111411 ▶▶▶▶ ikaraki, replying to ikaraki, 1, #242 of 1157 🔗

Still, t-shirt slogans do make appearances in Nemesis..

110948 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 14, #243 of 1157 🔗

This one is great https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8684247/Majority-schoolchildren-England-Wales-return-classes-time-six-months-today.html
“Labour supporter Adam Woodward, 23, who is starting teaching at Horizon Community College in Barnsley, South Yorkshire, tweeted: ‘I’m about to begin my career as an NQT (newly qualified teacher) English teacher.
‘I will be teaching with no PPE, in an environment where social distancing is impossible. I am scared and so are the students. This Government has failed me and every child in every school. Shame on them.’.The kids will have a field day -they know it is his first job and that he is scared. “Sir, sir , have you wet yourself” “Sir,sir are we all going to die today”. “Sir. sir I’m scared can I go home”. Would you want him teaching your kid?

110957 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to arfurmo, 27, #244 of 1157 🔗

Why on earth is a 23 year old scared of this thing. Is he innumerate as well as an invertebrate?

110966 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #245 of 1157 🔗

Labour supporting NQT. Says it all. Oh, and he forgot to add:

“This Government and every other politician has failed me and every child in every school. Shame on them”

111076 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #246 of 1157 🔗

perhaps illiterate too

111112 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to watashi, 1, #247 of 1157 🔗

english teacher so bound to be

111505 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #248 of 1157 🔗

The school sounds more sensible though:

…. the college’s rules state that any pupils who arrive wearing face coverings must take it off at the entrance.

110958 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to arfurmo, 16, #249 of 1157 🔗

If he’s that shit scared then he shouldn’t be teaching. And his attitude is an insult to all those who have been working all throughout lockdown and those who have been made reudndant. He should knuckle down or resign.

To paraphrase Prince Philip – he’s just an amoeba, a bloody amoeba.

111130 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #250 of 1157 🔗

Might pass him a pistol with a single bullet. This life is clearly too hard for him, best of luck to him in the next. An oxygen thief and a waste of perfectly good skin.

111178 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #251 of 1157 🔗

That would be kinder and he won’t have to put up with any “dangers” associated with teaching.

111520 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #252 of 1157 🔗

If Adam Woodward is afraid of a barely-existent virus, how’s he going to cope with a class full of rabid teenagers? They’ll eat him for breakfast.

111676 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheezilla, #253 of 1157 🔗

Exactly. Methinks he’s in the wrong profession.

110968 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to arfurmo, 10, #254 of 1157 🔗

Where he is right is that the kids will smell fear and go in for the kill!

110991 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to arfurmo, 6, #255 of 1157 🔗

Did put a comment on the Daily Wail’s article about it but mysteriously I checked my profile the comment appeared for 2 seconds then disappeared never to be seen again.

So they are moderating even when they say they don’t.

111001 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to arfurmo, 10, #256 of 1157 🔗

Good to see the comments and the majority are really laying into him and the teachers/schools.

I sense the masses are turning and anger has gone up another notch.

111133 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #257 of 1157 🔗

Pretty much turned I would say. Most are keeping their heads down, but what I’m hearing from those who originally signed up to the BS hook, line and sinker, is that the nonsense has gone on long enough.

111148 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #258 of 1157 🔗

A hastings school has announced Full Term Exclusions for Malicious Coughing & Telling Covid Jokes.

Ha Ha Ha

111322 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 2, #259 of 1157 🔗

I foretell a serious pandemic of malicious coughing …

111105 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to arfurmo, 2, #260 of 1157 🔗

I can think of at least 4 of my former classmates who would have gone out of their way to breath ostentatiously all over him.

111149 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to karenovirus, 2, #261 of 1157 🔗

But, but, the Ark Academy in Hastings will be excluding them for “deliberate or malicious” coughing or sneezing. And the Ark Byron primary academy in Acton, in their parents ‘ letter, say “Some behaviours (e.g.coughing deliberately on another person) that were previously simply antisocial, are now potentially extremely serious”.
Hate to think how they will treat those malicious flu spreaders, with a disease which actually can kill children.

111111 ▶▶ mjr, replying to arfurmo, 4, #262 of 1157 🔗

unfortunately, this is the product that the teacher training industry is churning out . Snowflakes educated by snowflakes who will turn the pupils into snowflakes.

111131 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, 2, #263 of 1157 🔗

No it won’t, the pupils will despise him like we did the polytechnic economics teacher who wanted to be our ‘friend’. Tosser

111226 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to arfurmo, 3, #264 of 1157 🔗

He says he hasn’t started yet and yet somehow he already knows that the his students are scared – how?????

111494 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, 1, #265 of 1157 🔗

NO. He’s an idiot!

110952 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 12, #266 of 1157 🔗

This Liberal Democratic politician in Australia made a moving plea to Parliament today. This is what it’s like in Victoria. It made me cry.
https://www.facebook.com/davidlimbrickldp/?hc_ref=ARTeRSAobKPL0-rMcJyqL97LlsIFn7X8J0FpbZw7B-kRx9FvhN1Sxv0_PGfFdDrGA-I&fref=nf&__tn__=kC-R

111115 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Caramel, 1, #267 of 1157 🔗

Thanks for the post. Heart wrenching stuff. When will the world come to its rational senses?

111117 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Caramel, 4, #268 of 1157 🔗

GO THAT MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For flips sake, these people in the Australian government are monsters, thank goodness this guy said what he said. Utter bastard scum.

111848 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, #269 of 1157 🔗

Utter bastard scum.

That sounds exactly like something that Richie Allen would say.

111139 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Caramel, 4, #270 of 1157 🔗

An excellent speech. Here in Britain, I’m expecting to hear hundreds of speeches like this when the omnishambles government asks for an extension to its enabling act, I mean Coronavirus Act 2020.

Oh, wait…

111244 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Caramel, 2, #271 of 1157 🔗

Thanks Caramel for posting this. It beggars belief that we have not seen this reported in our main stream news at least in NSW as yet.

111541 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Caramel, #272 of 1157 🔗

Awesome speech. We need MPs like him in our country!

110954 Norma McNormalface, replying to Norma McNormalface, 5, #273 of 1157 🔗

September 1st. That’s it. Winter is here! Just peeking through the blinds to see whether I’m snowed in.

110971 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Norma McNormalface, 5, #274 of 1157 🔗

Did they cancel Autumn? Bastards…

110975 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #275 of 1157 🔗

Yes and about time. You weren’t seriously considering leaving the house while the risk of falling leaves (god forbid conkers) was still present?

110979 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Charlie Blue, 11, #276 of 1157 🔗

Now that you mention it, I feel such a fool. A conker could bounce of my head and hit someone else. I’m wearing this hard hat to protect others…

111045 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Charlie Blue, #277 of 1157 🔗

School conker fight rules?

111086 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Steeve, 3, #278 of 1157 🔗

Think that was banned years ago by the fun police. When the leaves start to fall it always triggers fond memories of hunting for monster conkers.

111073 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #279 of 1157 🔗

not to mention the risks and danger of being hit by a falling acorn

111678 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to watashi, #280 of 1157 🔗

In that case, I should wear a colander on my head to protect myself against a falling acorn. Or a falling tortoise.

111143 ▶▶▶ Norma McNormalface, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #281 of 1157 🔗

Yes, watch the media and government go directly from summer to winter this year. Works better for enforcement agenda.

110963 James Bertram, 11, #282 of 1157 🔗

Excellent article by Will Jones.
His writing’s have much helped me form my opinions, and I’m very pleased he’s now a journalist/editor for Lockdown Sceptics. A strong addition to your team.

110972 Jane in France, replying to Jane in France, 4, #283 of 1157 🔗

Rob Slane of The Blogmire has a good article about how theoretical pandemic modelling always showed that any type of “mitigation strategies” ie lockdown, would have to be in place for several months. So even though Boris Johnson said, “I can assure you that we will keep these restrictions under constant review. We will look again in three weeks , and relax them if the evidence shows we are able to.” he had no intention of right from the start of reviewing anything after just three weeks. https://www.theblogmire.com/three-weeks-for-the-lockdown-but-they-were-all-of-them-deceived/

111014 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jane in France, 5, #284 of 1157 🔗

I was told before the lockdown by Someone who worked in the home office that the government were going for 12 weeks.I didn’t believe it at the time.

111224 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #285 of 1157 🔗

I remember reading that somewhere too..

111943 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Carrie, #286 of 1157 🔗

They are stalling for time.

111953 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #287 of 1157 🔗

July the 1st was a data I was aware of from very early on, probably early February or even in January. I was talking to a person in a computer parts company trying to buy a monitor and he said you better get this one now because “we are going into lockdown until July soon. Obviously they had been told something to that effect. Also the caravan and motherhome club sent out a notice that their sites would be shut untill July very very early on in the lockdown, probably week one.

111548 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jane in France, 1, #288 of 1157 🔗

Interesting numbers in one of the comments:

Paul
In 2018, the total deficit was £32.3bn.
In 2020, the total defense budget is £36bn.
The Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme (where employers can reclaim 80% of staff wages if they were furloughed due to the pandemic) is set to end in October and will cost £35bn.
That is just one scheme (out of many) and is part of the £2.5bn per DAY the lockdown is estimated to have cost the economy. The lockdown is the most costly decision the country has ever made and for what? In the US (Sweden’s numbers are lower):
0.011% of the population under 65 has died of COVID
0.005% of the population under 55 has died of COVID
0.0009% of the population under 35 has died of COVID
0.0002% of the population under 25 has died of COVID
0.00008% of the population under 15 has died of COVID
And as for the most “high risk” group..
0.23% of the population over 65 has died of COVID
Assuming you believe the numbers.

111955 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jane in France, #289 of 1157 🔗

It was a lie.

110980 tonys, replying to tonys, 5, #290 of 1157 🔗

Dr Hilary and Lorraine Kelly are having a cosy chat on GMTV discussing the merits of making it illegal to enter an aeroplane without a mask, this is the only way they both agree to make air travel ‘safe’. This will ensure that masks are worn ‘correctly’, which as we know means they then work.

110982 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to tonys, 24, #291 of 1157 🔗

Time to wheel this out again: “If masks work, why did we have lockdown; if they don’t, why do we need them?”

111013 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #292 of 1157 🔗

I need a t shirt with that on it!

111249 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #293 of 1157 🔗

And why are people still catching ordinary flu ?

110983 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to tonys, 11, #294 of 1157 🔗

They need to call them by their proper name ie Muzzles. Masks are something which cover your face including the eyes, for robbery purposes, never heard of a muzzled robber.

110995 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to tonys, 14, #295 of 1157 🔗

Another two idiots who should be banned from our TV screens for being hazardous to human health.

And Dr Hilary like that Sarah Jarvis woman should be struck off from the GMC list.

111325 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #296 of 1157 🔗

off from the GMC list.

111005 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to tonys, 4, #297 of 1157 🔗

They are a disgraceful pair

111032 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to tonys, 3, #298 of 1157 🔗

So should we are wear a parachute as well??

111219 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to tonys, 2, #299 of 1157 🔗

Wearing masks correctly means not taking them on and off as pupils are now instructed to do in schools.

110981 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #300 of 1157 🔗

That photo of Hancock makes him look even more of a plonker, I know its nothing to do with masks but ………

111010 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #301 of 1157 🔗

If ever a mask was needed though…

111015 ▶▶▶ tallandbald, replying to Arnie, 2, #302 of 1157 🔗

Or a particularly skilled sniper.

111159 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to tallandbald, 1, #303 of 1157 🔗

No skill required, just accuracy.

111546 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Dan Clarke, #304 of 1157 🔗

I have often found that a person who has a crooked smile has other crooked forms of behaviour. They can’t smile straight because they are subconsciously reflecting their soul in their face.

111900 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to RichardJames, #305 of 1157 🔗

Like the Picture of Dorian Gray?

110992 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 26, #306 of 1157 🔗

I sent the following letter to Sir Charles Walker (Deputy Chairman of the 1922 Committee) following his comments at the weekend.

Dear Sir

Government U-Turns

I read with interest in the press this weekend about your concern over the number of policy U-turns in relation to the current Coronavirus situation. I was encouraged to see that you were taking the current circumstances seriously and appear to be recognising the need for a more coherent approach.

Let me first of all express my support and hope that you, perhaps along with others in the 1922 committee, will be able to bring some clarity and coherence to this maze of U-turns. But secondly I need to express my concern at the way in which our parliamentary democracy has been sidelined in this unparalleled abrogation of our civil rights. I hope that this month will see a reassertion of these rights and of the sovereignty of parliament.

It is with dismay I note that Tobias Ellwood has said “draconian action” could be needed to curb the spread of coronavirus if the public does not maintain social distancing measures. I shudder to think what could be more ‘draconian’ that what we have already experienced. It seems that Mr Ellwood has swallowed the highly questionable predictions of seasonal deaths due to Covid. The damage to our economy caused by this type of wild statement is incalculable and demonstrates the need for the Conservative Party to put its house in order.

I have received an acknowledgement, but apparently I should not expect a reply. That is fine as action is what I am looking for.

110998 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Basileus, 12, #307 of 1157 🔗

A very good letter. I cannot understand why the government is getting away with this, unless of course it is their aim that we loose our civil rights and liberties!

111009 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #308 of 1157 🔗

Sadly Bella I think that you are right, to me it all seems to be all part of the plan. I don’t think Covid did what they wanted and although it’s become embarrassingly transparent they are carrying on with their plan anyway. I expect an ever growing body count (not because of Covid infections but because of the effects of this nonsense) this winter with probably violence in the streets. I don’t want it to happen obviously nonetheless that is my prediction. A cynic might say that we are deliberately being shepherded in that direction in anticipation for more draconian responses…

111019 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Arnie, 6, #309 of 1157 🔗

Yes I can see how they keep pushing the boundaries to try to get a violent response so they can increase their hold on us.

111158 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Arnie, 1, #310 of 1157 🔗

Afraid not. In this case the invisible hand belongs to the pharma companies.

111043 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #311 of 1157 🔗

Oops sorry should be lose not loose!

111142 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #312 of 1157 🔗

That’s what they want.

111254 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #313 of 1157 🔗

They are our liberties and not the governments to steal.
One reason I was never much concerned with ‘civil rights’, what the State grants the state can take away.

The English Civil War was fought, in part, because the King thought himself above our liberties, Johnson and your sorry crew kindly note.

111359 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to karenovirus, 1, #314 of 1157 🔗

Yes, the conspiracy theories may well be right, but until we are sure they are we need to continue to take the appropriate action. Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

110994 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 14, #315 of 1157 🔗

The link to Piers Corbyns Go Find Me page doesn’t work Toby. I’m not a Corbyn follower but I am disgusted by the rank hypocrisy of the fine yet BLM created chaos nationwide , damaged property etc and our Marxist police force knelt to them!
Unfuxxinbelievable!

111003 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Bella Donna, 12, #316 of 1157 🔗

My opinion for what it’s worth is that the fine should not be paid

To pay the fine would acknowledge the validity of the dictatorship

Let the state do it’s worst

There are many of us, and few of them

111012 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 4, #317 of 1157 🔗

I agree. It just encourages them!

111914 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cecil B, 1, #318 of 1157 🔗

According to Toby Young on London Calling yesterday parliament passed a law just before midnight, last Friday evening, to criminalize last Saturday’s rally in Trafalgar Square. The Bums.

111081 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #319 of 1157 🔗

I too couldn’t really imagine supporting Piers Corbyn, but he has been excellent during the lockdown. One of the very few people on the left who actually practices what they preach. No one from the left usually criticises the hypocrisy of Mayor Khan and the Met Police. If only more public figures would stand up. I will certainly contribute to a legal challenge against the £10,000 fine.

111915 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Darryl, 1, #320 of 1157 🔗

Go to Free Speech Union.

115011 ▶▶ H K, replying to Bella Donna, #321 of 1157 🔗

Piers said he is not going to pay the £10k FPN and will go to court to challenge it. Apparently there are excemptions to the 30 people rule (political protests are allowed from what i’ve heard?).
Plus Piers was given the green light to hold the rally before hand (he had liaison officers he was dealing with). I was standing next to him nearer at the beginning of the rally when the liaison officers were questioning him about risk assessments, plans for the day etc and they were very polite.
Apparently it was another set of officers who were sent at the end to arrest him and they said the instructions came from above.
It would be interesting what happens when it goes to court. Who sent the instructions, and why didn’t the other organisers of other protests on the same day (BLM & the muslim march) get arrested and fined?

111007 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 16, #322 of 1157 🔗

After searching the Web I’ve just discovered he had raised £12,493 so that is obviously why it was taken down. He’d achieved the target already! Well done all those who contributed.

111017 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Bella Donna, 10, #323 of 1157 🔗

Dear Piers, don’t spend it on paying the fine. Spend it on organising resistance

111016 Allyouneedtoknow, 3, #324 of 1157 🔗

I love Ben Greenfield Fitness | Why Viruses Are Crucial To Life On This Planet, The Link Between Air Pollution, Glyphosate & Pandemics, Loss Of Biodiversity (& What We Can Do About It) & More With Dr. Zach Bush., let’s play it!
https://www.podbean.com/ea/dir-mcxup-992ab96

111018 Caroline Watson, replying to Caroline Watson, 23, #325 of 1157 🔗

When I was a child, and vaccinations were for medieval diseases like smallpox rather than common childhood viruses, mothers used to hold chicken pox parties.
The plan was that, if one child caught chicken pox, their friends would be deliberately exposed to it to ‘get it over with’. Small children would not be seriously ill and it was considered preferable to lose a week or so at school at the age of seven (in the days when most seven year olds could read fluently, do basic arithmetic, including in Imperial measurements, and read the treble clef sufficiently to play the descant recorder!) than to risk losing a chunk of your O Level year. Mothers did not worry about catching it because, in those days, parents put their children’s wellbeing first. Grandparents stayed out of the way for the duration.
Sure enough, I had it at seven, and don’t remember feeling particularly unwell, although it was itchy. My sister somehow missed it, caught it at 19, and was very poorly indeed.
Rather than obsessing about ‘safety’ in schools, surely a positive message would be that it would be far better for small children to develop some immunity now so that, if they catch it again later, it will result in a much milder illness. Teachers could concentrate on giving up smoking and losing weight, to develop their own resistance.
Of course, the unspoken reason that this is not pushed as a strategy is the BLM agenda and the culture of multi generational households (the old white working class lived on the same street as their families but not the same house), and the obsession with self-diagnosed ‘syndromes’ that so many neurotics decided made it necessary for them to ‘shield’, with no medical verification whatsoever.
There is also a dangerous culture change which pushes ‘social responsibility’ onto children and expects them to be responsible for the safety of adults. Because children have no independent rights, they have no responsibilities either. Their only priority in school should be their own education and wellbeing. They must not be made to feel guilty about taking off a suffocating mask in case they kill one of their overweight, chain smoking teachers or someone else’s granny.

111052 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Caroline Watson, 9, #326 of 1157 🔗

Exposure to the environment is a requirement for developing a functioning immune system. However the MMR jab, or perhaps the three as separate vaccinations, scores well on a risk/benefit scale. Rubella in pregnancy can have devastating consequences, mumps after puberty has serious risks for boys and measles maims and kills.

The mooted CV-19 jab is quite the opposite case, for the vast majority even a well tested, low risk, effective vaccine would offer a poor risk/benefit ratio.

111090 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Strange Days, 6, #327 of 1157 🔗

I have no problem with properly tested vaccines and, certainly, if the measles vaccine had been available in the early 60s, would probably not have inner ear problems now. I also had two profoundly deaf great aunts who were either the victims of their mother having rubella or of childhood illnesses that, 50 years later, would have been quickly cured by antibiotics, and both my grandfather and a great uncle died of TB caught from infected cows. That is not the point of my comment.
The point is that there isn’t a vaccine for this, and may not be one for some time, so herd immunity among the healthy is the only viable strategy. Not only will that help society return to normal, as it has in Sweden, but will possibly have individual benefits for people who are infected as children and young adults that will mitigate the impact of a later infection when their immune systems are less robust.

111122 ▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Caroline Watson, 2, #328 of 1157 🔗

I agree, my comment was intended as an endorsement and expansion, not a criticism. Our immune systems are our best defence, vaccination is not a panacea but can have real benefits. As with so many things the extreme pro and anti arguments fail to look at the full picture.

For what it is worth I do not have the flu jab and will not have a CV-19 one either, but I have a tetanus booster on the advised schedule.

111091 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Strange Days, 5, #329 of 1157 🔗

Yes. A sense of proportion works both ways. I am deaf in one ear as a result of mumps – and that’s just one possible side effect. As you say, it’s about risk assessment – and a Covid vaccine isn’t the same thing as the MMR. Even tho’ it might benefit someone like me (higher risk category), I certainly wouldn’t blindly accept an under-tested concoction.

111165 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to RickH, 1, #330 of 1157 🔗

We should be applauding the rise in positive test results, not writing the sort of scaredy cat guff in the media. “5000 more positive tests today, hurrah, yet more people who have either had it already or have it now without discernible symptoms, fantastic!”

111566 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bruno, 1, #331 of 1157 🔗

That would assume that the tests actually prove the presence of the relevant virus but I agree with your sentiment and it would be nice if the MSM took that approach.

111024 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #332 of 1157 🔗

As part of the extended lockdowns and with harvest time coming in a lot of the world but crops damaged by late storms, farm hands cannot work, recent quotes from the UN about food in Britain and so on I’m planning on a food shortage of some sort over the winter so got tins and teabags stocked up.

But while researching I came across a paper about a food summit in 1974 and this quote from it:

https://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1974/eirv01n30-19741106/eirv01n30-19741106.pdf

“The Rockefellers have counted on press hysteria over unavoidable food shortages as the justifica­tion for setting up the fascist food control apparatus. Butz’s (the then US Secretary of Agriculture) abil­ity to expose the Zero Growth quackery of Lester Brown and other new Malthusians threatened to blow Rockbfeller’s whole game.

While briefing griculture Depatment officials on Rockefeller’s plans for the world food conference last week, the US Labor party discovered widespread disgruntlement among bureaucratic layers over Nelson Rockefeller’s seizure of Government.”

Isn’t Zero Growth part of the new green utopia?

111116 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Awkward Git, #333 of 1157 🔗

Thanks,

If you are still strugling with your fench here is the french army report in english .
Fascinating read.

https://benjaminfulford.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/French-Army-Report-on-COVID-19-and-5G-Translated-to-English.pdf

111177 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to 2 pence, 1, #334 of 1157 🔗

Thanks for that, quicker than my struggling French.

111126 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, #335 of 1157 🔗

Yes and an end to GDP as a metric for measuring a countries economy.

111041 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #336 of 1157 🔗

Wow what a difference losing weight has done for Adele! She looks amazing! No wonder the Left are spitting blood, jealousy is an ugly emotion and most of the Left have a very strong ugly gene!

111060 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #337 of 1157 🔗

The general approach when these clowns start speaking is to ask them why they are culturally appropriating the English language and ask them to stop using it and use their own cultural language instead.

Which is probably grunting gutturally.

111068 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Bella Donna, 5, #338 of 1157 🔗

At the time it was first announced, a woman in the Telegraph, think it was, said she was “personally affronted” by Adele’s weight loss! Sad people.

111095 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #339 of 1157 🔗

The imagined generalized ‘Left’ is less of a current problem that the actual ‘right’ who have constructed this current chaos.

111129 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #340 of 1157 🔗

now, the problem here is that you are implying that Adele now looks good because she is thin. and therefore when she was not thin she looked bad… and that therefore you think all none thin (adipose challenged) people are bad.
That is the way these peoples brains work. Personally i think she was always good looking and certainly looks super in that outfit.. But then i am objectifying her,
I note the furore about her wearing a jamaican flag bikini top and having the corn thing in her hair and the charges of cultural appropriation suggesting she should be cancelled.
There was a good film a few years back called The 51st State. Samuel L jackson wore a kilt (Black watch tartan??) . I dont think he is Scottish, So that film should be banned .

111942 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to mjr, #341 of 1157 🔗

Oh yes. Good one. this could go for a while – Katharine Hepburn as a Chinese woman? (Dragon Seed) Mickey Rooney as a Chinese man? (Breakfast at Tiffany’s, I think it was) Nope!
Tom Cruise The Last Samurai? Is Dustin Hoffman an autistic savant? (Rain Man) – nope. Hanks in Forrest Gump?? hmmmm! 🙂

111047 Lord Rickmansworth, 6, #342 of 1157 🔗

God today is depressing. Just about to book a break in Porto. Then the fools start barking on about it going back on the list. Makes me not want to record another podcast!!!

111049 James Bertram, replying to James Bertram, 37, #343 of 1157 🔗

Just sent a long letter to my Guildford MP, Angela Richardson (if anyone can make use of these points, please do):

Dear Angela Richardson,

Shortly you will be asked by Government to vote in favour of extending the Coronavirus Act 2020. My view is that this Act should be repealed immediately; that we should declare the virus over and get back to normal straight away. I have listed some facts below. Aware of these facts, any support for extending Government powers I would regard as extremely callous, and will result in many unnecessary deaths, far more than the Government interventions will save. As it is such a serious matter, I shall publicise how you vote widely.

Facts

  • On average 1600 people die in the UK every day. On Sunday (30/08/20) only one person died of Covid-19.
  • Flu deaths this Summer have been about 6 times higher than Covid deaths; and currently you are 67 times more likely to die of something else than Covid ( https://facts4eu.org/news/2020_aug_covid_ex_crisis )
  • There has been gross exaggeration of the threat of Covid. In the US, the CDC quietly updated the Covid number to admit that only 6% of all the 153,504 deaths recorded actually died from Covid. 9,210 deaths. The other 94% had 2 to 3 other serious illnesses and the overwhelming majority were of very advanced age; 90% in nursing homes. ( https://principia-scientific.com/finally-cdc-admits-just-9210-americans-died-from-covid19/?fbclid=IwAR1bhbXDmWyaBhhd4BtDL46-4INO1H31CmRonTGA7KN5LtO5zrltJOVm_lo ). Similarly, If we apply this to the UK, then only 2500 people in the UK have died ‘of’ Coronavirus; not the claimed 41501 people ‘with’ Coronavirus.
  • Lockdown and social distancing have had almost zero impact on annual flu deaths (so why presume it is different with Covid?). Those countries with the strictest lockdowns (Belgium, Peru) have had the highest death rates (if lockdowns worked, then you would see the opposite); those with moderate interventions (Sweden) have fared better than the UK (Why?). Chris Whitty admitted that the virus was in decline ‘well before’ Lockdown of March 23rd (Peak deaths were on April 8th, so count back 3 or 4 weeks to when people were affected – so something else caused the virus to decline, not government intervention; and that was most likely herd immunity having been achieved in areas like London before March 10th).
  • Many respected scientists argue the best, and most sustainable, policy is ‘Herd immunity’, something long been argued by the medical profession to control influenza. Covid-19 is no different. T cell and cross-immunity research suggests that 70% of the population carry immunity; and that herd immunity will be achieved when just 20% of the population have been infected (the recent example of Covid in Manaus suggests this https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/brazil-coronavirus-manaus-herd-immunity/2020/08/23/0eccda40-d80e-11ea-930e-d88518c57dcc_story.html ).
  • Meanwhile, the misguided and draconian government interventions have pushed a further 135 million to the brink of starvation ( https://www.wfp.org/news/world-food-programme-assist-largest-number-hungry-people-ever-coronavirus-devastates-poor ); and in this country 30,000 cancer deaths may result from this ( https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cancer-care-backlog-may-cost-30-000-lives-boris-johnson-told-2ttvw330l ). And in April this year, Sir Patrick Vallance received a report that these lockdowns could result in 200,000 deaths in the UK – and still the government continues with this pointless lockdown.
  • There are now 9 million people not working; and the economy (GDP) has crashed by 20%.
  • Civil Liberties have been suspended; MPs are not holding Government to account; Covid legislation is passing without scrutiny or any cost-benefit analysis. This has become a police state, one so brutal that family members cannot visit their dying, nor attend their funeral. Suicide and depression are doubling within society. What the government has done to this country, in the name of controlling a virus, is a catastrophe – the biggest political blunder in modern history.

Please think about the points above, and when you have the opportunity, vote against extending the Government’s emergency powers – they have done nothing but abuse them, resulting in thousands of unnecessary deaths.

Yours sincerely,
James Bertram

111242 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to James Bertram, 3, #344 of 1157 🔗

Great letter James. I hope you don’t mind but I’ve copied your info and will use it in a letter to my MP. Thank you in advance. Arnie.

111749 ▶▶ Lili, replying to James Bertram, 1, #345 of 1157 🔗

Excellent, James. I’ve copied this to tweak and send to my MP.

111960 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to James Bertram, 1, #346 of 1157 🔗

Good one, i have copied it and might use some of it in my utterly futile letter to my idiot evil MP

111051 Stephen⁹ Williams, 6, #347 of 1157 🔗

I’ve carried on as normal as possible as have most of the people I know. If none of us has shown any symptoms surely by now the evidence must be this deadly killer virus isn’t that bad. Just because fatty Boris caught a dose isn’t a way to run a country!

111055 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 9, #348 of 1157 🔗

Thanks for link Toby. The Berlin demo is pretty powerful imagery and should serve as a wake up call to authorities and media worldwide. Kennedy’s speech was really well focused too, I thought. For someone who has a speech impediment, he clearly hasn’t allowed it to hold him back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXYfP2d7cR4

111071 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to PoshPanic, 10, #349 of 1157 🔗

RFK’s speech was very good and funnily enough he was exactly right about what the media would say and publish about the protest. I am at a loss as to why anyone still believes main stream media – it really is fake news at the moment.

111097 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Darryl, 6, #350 of 1157 🔗

It was a great preemptive strike. A lot of the media has focused on the speakers at the demos, rather than the crowds. It’s the make up of the large crowds, people from all walks of life, young and old, that should be making the authorities very nervous.

111128 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to PoshPanic, 9, #351 of 1157 🔗

It is making them nervous that is why they are stepping up the propaganda – all the coverage is focusing on a ‘right wing’ element (staged?), which is completely misrepresenting the event.

Disappointed Peter Hitchen’s wasn’t very positive about the protest in London it would have been good to have some mainstream critics speaking at the protest rather than criticise it. He plays into the hands of the authorities and media by trying to split the protestors into loonies and non-loonies.

115016 ▶▶▶▶▶ H K, replying to Darryl, #352 of 1157 🔗

Ironically Hitchens calls may at the protests as loony, but he is quite happy to beleive the stories in the bible! You couldn’t make it up!

111072 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #353 of 1157 🔗

Scotland has 63 contact tracers. Not 1000s as you probably thought.

Daily Record.
“Row as only 63 people have been recruited by national centre as contact tracers”

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/row-only-63-people-been-22601709

It as tgough Krankie Nip and soon to be gone (resigning > not standing (13 currently not standing next time))) Freeman have been economical with the truth.

111089 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 1, #354 of 1157 🔗

More smoke and mirrors bullshit from our glorious leader. I assume the 2000 figure is working on the assumption that Scottish government employees could be utilised.

More disinformation to keep the plebs confused and compliant.

111074 Jim, replying to Jim, 2, #355 of 1157 🔗

Please can someone explain why the Manchester Nightingale Hospital is STILL OPEN???
I suspect it’s some backroom deal between the Excel centre and the Council.

111132 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Jim, 2, #356 of 1157 🔗

We had a large, double unit in a shopping centre, that used to be Lewis’s. They left and it stood empty for years. I remember thinking, “Why don’t they reduce the rent, surely some rent is better than none?” Eventually, I found out the council had ‘prepaid’ the rent to the site owners, so they weren’t bothered.

111168 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Jim, 1, #357 of 1157 🔗

Quarantine ‘hotel’ for the winter?

111078 PWL, #358 of 1157 🔗

It’s been know for a long time that the PCR test is not a diagnostic tool. The US CDC plainly said so.

This is from March, and is before all the actual death caused by simple withdrawal of NHS “death pathway” management. Redesignating flu as Covid-19 is perhaps a trick that is to come.
Letting flu do the dirty work: the vast potential to misrepresent death as due to Covid-19

111080 Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #359 of 1157 🔗

Did Piers Morgan belch out that 800,000 uk people woukd have died on ITV GMB this morning in his attack sorry interview on Piers Corbyn?

111085 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basics, 4, #360 of 1157 🔗

Moron is capable of any nonsense.

111102 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Basics, 1, #361 of 1157 🔗

Piers Morgan? Is he still on the telly?

111136 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #362 of 1157 🔗

it has been nice a quiet whilst he had been on holidays for the summer. Now he is back. spouting the same bullshit . . this morning he was giving Piers Corbyn a bashing in an interview supported by the tv doctor.

111151 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Basics, 3, #363 of 1157 🔗

Unless you are very strong in interviews I honestly can’t see the point in going on GMB against Piers Morgan. He relentlessly bullies anyone he disagrees with, don’t know how people can watch the show still. I would just mention phone hacking if he tries to take the moral high ground on any issue.

111176 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Darryl, 2, #364 of 1157 🔗

He’s a wanker of the highest order. Yeah, just mention phone hacking and the daniel Morgan case.

111765 ▶▶ Alison9, replying to Basics, 1, #365 of 1157 🔗

I think Piers Morgan is acting out because unconsciously he knows he isn’t the man for the times. His time has passed. Some celebrities have suddenly become irrelevant and others, like Denise Welch, have suddenly found an authority and clarity that is quite unexpected.

111082 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 5, #366 of 1157 🔗

Here we go, the BBC is advertising heavily for Saint Rashford again, the intellectual heavy-weight of the decade.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53979648

I love the way he has written a letter (probably the length of a tweet) and “formed a task force”. Translated and unspun – the supermarkets have seen an opportunity to cynically utilise his brand, and they have formed a task force in his name to get free PR (and profits) from the hopeless press. I particularly love the way he inelegantly strings a sentence together and the BBC reword what he said, quoting only single words filled in by their translation of what he means.

Maybe we’ve been handling Coronabollocks all wrong and what we need to do is to start sending letters, emails, tweets etc coercing Rashford to convince him that kids need to go back to school without muzzles and anti-social distancing. Word it that such measures clearly disadvantage children with free school meals. That would put the likes of the BBC in a bit of a pickle.

I’m sure Rashford is well meaning, he is just unaware that politics is not his strength and that big business will use him to their advantage.

111093 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #367 of 1157 🔗

It’s a shame HMG have pissed £100’s of millions up the wall to fight the flu, buys a lot of teachers and school meals.

111083 RickH, replying to RickH, 5, #368 of 1157 🔗

Just reflecting again on whether Handcock is lined up as the first fall-guy of this debacle, to be followed by Mr Toad once the wider establishment has achieved its objectives.

Handcock is so obviously out of his depth (I don’t reckon he’s capable of intelligent conspiracy) – like a glove puppet who can be fed any old inconsistent crap.

111221 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #370 of 1157 🔗

Look at when this was – January LAST year! Shows how long they have been ‘mates’… plenty of time for BG to reel him in and brainwash him re vaccines etc..

111232 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Carrie, 1, #371 of 1157 🔗

And it was at the WEF in Davos – amazing coincidence yet again.

111300 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, #372 of 1157 🔗

Exactly!
And I don’t think he was health secretary then? Maybe BG told him to go after that job and he would make it worth his while? I rule nothing out now…

111092 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 4, #373 of 1157 🔗

On the radio yesterday I heard Djokovic still favourite despite testing positive for Coronavirus in June!

111096 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Steeve, 4, #374 of 1157 🔗

Oh yeah, I was going to pose the question about him, wondered if he was dead. Any news on Usain bolt and Paul pogba??? Dead or alive???

111106 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to stefarm, 4, #375 of 1157 🔗

Interesting how there aren’t any follow up articles after they test positive. I would expect reporters outside the hospitals 24/7 reporting on the condition of these superstars.

111166 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Darryl, 1, #376 of 1157 🔗

Remember Eddie Large. Struck down by Covid at the tender age of 79.

111180 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #377 of 1157 🔗

Pure coincidence that he was tested having been admitted to hospital because he had suffered a massive coronary. But it was definitely the corona that got him, not the coronary.

111188 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to matt, 2, #378 of 1157 🔗

Maybe the r and y were missed off the end

111199 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #379 of 1157 🔗

Yes and his family weren’t very happy about Covid-19 being on the death certificate from memory.

111167 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Darryl, 1, #380 of 1157 🔗

Yep, they are all pawns in the big lie. Question is, do they no they are because we haven’t had the memo.

111109 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to stefarm, 2, #381 of 1157 🔗

Remember all those months ago when it all started – Mikel Arteta

111101 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Steeve, 5, #382 of 1157 🔗

I have a feeling Djokovic was set up to fail with the tournament he was holding – they were never going to allow it to be a success. As I am sure most people here realise Djokovic tested positive but from all the images posted in the following days and weeks he didn’t exactly look like he was suffering from the new plague that the likes of Piers Morgan seems to believe in.

111926 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Darryl, #383 of 1157 🔗

Good point, I believe Novak’s heart was in the right place trying to at least organise something of benefit, and to be totally fair to him he stood there & took the press’ punches. While I am a sports fan, I am still uncertain at the wisdom of holding the US Open in NY that is currently going through so many problems… though I see Serena Williams bust a gut pressuring them to hold it; hardly surprising seeing as 95% of her competition refused to enter the tournament & she has the slam record in sight…

111938 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #384 of 1157 🔗

Serena’s an opportunist.

111094 Mike Collins, replying to Mike Collins, 15, #385 of 1157 🔗

I’ve already got a candidate for bedwetter of the week –

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8684247/Majority-schoolchildren-England-Wales-return-classes-time-six-months-today.html

If like me you have family who are teachers you’ll know the joy of catching every cold and suffering every throat infection going, every term like clockwork. This guy is in the wrong profession if he’s germ phobic.

111104 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mike Collins, 9, #386 of 1157 🔗

This is really about “I support Labour (because teachers have to), so I don’t like the Tory government – whatever they do”.

111110 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #387 of 1157 🔗

You really don’t have to try to match him in terms of stupidity.

111108 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mike Collins, 5, #388 of 1157 🔗

If he teaches maths, the next generation is truly f.ed.

Well … to be honest, if he teaches anything, the next generation is f.ed with that display of bollocks as an example.

111114 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to RickH, 3, #389 of 1157 🔗

English teacher, but clearly can’t read. Let’s see, isn’t teaching about finding things out, checking facts, so that you know enough to be able to pass knowledge on? Yeah, you are right, Rick. Capital ‘F’.

111113 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mike Collins, 3, #390 of 1157 🔗

Yep. Should not be teaching if that’s his attitude. He would be better off in a war zone or a Godforsaken third world country where staying alive is indeed a matter of life and death.

111120 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to Mike Collins, 3, #391 of 1157 🔗

With this idiot teaching them, children are right to be scared to go back to school.

111125 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Mike Collins, 9, #392 of 1157 🔗

“…in school where ‘social-distancing is impossible”. What the hell have all the children been doing for the last six months? Social distancing when they’ve been out playing and “socialising” with their mates? And how about walking to and from school? Are they going to be social distancing then? When they’ve been on the swings, roundabouts and so on at the local park (after such places were belatedly made available), has there been a local council goon ready and waiting to hose down the apparatus with bleach the instant they got off. No. None of this. Every aspect of “social distancing” is extreme bollocks.

111217 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mike Collins, 4, #394 of 1157 🔗

Simon Dolan’s got a letter on his Twitter feed from a school going much further in mask wearing than the latest guidelines – maybe this guy should look for a job there?

111375 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Mike Collins, 3, #395 of 1157 🔗

When I started teaching about 20 years ago, the head greeted us newbies with the words, ‘You will catch a cold after 2 weeks and exhaustion after three’. He was right. Don’t they teach the newbies anything these days?’

111682 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Basileus, 1, #396 of 1157 🔗

They try to keep them for a year.

111100 Barney McGrew, 4, #397 of 1157 🔗

What we really need to do, perhaps, is start promoting a vision of the future. TfL, Youtube, Google would no doubt remove anything that criticised Covid measures directly, but it wouldn’t have to be direct.

Could someone with the necessary resources produce films (dramas?) and posters that convey something like last week’s painting of a mother and child in a grey world of faceless zombies? Or a poster showing a fictional ex-minister begging for scraps at the side of the road in a dystopian London.

I understand it doesn’t even cost very much to start a Freeview channel. Could one be started dedicated to visions of the UK’s future? It needn’t be ‘political’ in the sense of right or left, or even Covid-specific; just exploring ideas of where we are headed. If we have to, just call it ‘the virus’ and leave it at that. Other factors in the modern world could be explored via analogy and metaphor, so as to avoid being banned.

Ideally, people of influence, and our politicians’ children, relatives, friends and colleagues might see it and begin to twig where their heroes were leading them.

People seem to be able to produce pretty powerful short films for, presumably, not very much money. e.g. this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzCQtoQ8ypk

111103 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #398 of 1157 🔗

John Waters. A speech to listen to. Made outside RTE in the past day or so.

https://youtu.be/XEBcBXuETvg

111141 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, #399 of 1157 🔗

Great speech. The RTE article he mentions is this :

“The level of excess mortality in Ireland caused by the coronavirus pandemic fell last month, according to updated analysis of death notices published by the Central Statistics Office.

According to the report, Covid-19 resulted in between 850 and 900 more deaths occurring in Ireland in the five months from the start of March and the end of July than would have occurred in the absence of the pandemic. This is down from an excess of 1,072 deaths reported one month earlier.

CSO said the reduction has come about because less people died from all causes during July than would have been expected in the absence of the pandemic.

It is also notable that this latest excess mortality estimate of between 850 and 900 deaths is substantially lower than the official total of 1,763 Covid-19 related deaths reported in Ireland by the end of the July.”

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0828/1161895-excess-mortality-figures/

111107 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 16, #400 of 1157 🔗

Shit and corruption!! What an absolute outrage! The second wave will be upon us now, alright.

Caught red-handed…

The Defence Secretary, Ben Wallace, has been filmed shaking hands with a colleague on his way into this morning’s socially distanced Cabinet meeting.

It is not yet known who he was greeting, but unless that person is from Mr Wallace’s household or support bubble, his actions would appear to be a breach of social distancing guidance.

111119 ▶▶ tallandbald, replying to Tenchy, 9, #401 of 1157 🔗

These wankers really are laughing at us..

111216 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to tallandbald, 3, #402 of 1157 🔗

They LITERALLY are laughing at us. If you watch just any of the main players in this Corona Project shit-show they all giggle innaprropriately when they verbalise their most insane bullshittery. They are clearly LOVING IT. The bastards.

111234 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Two-Six, #403 of 1157 🔗

Examples? Seen Bill G laughing but no one else..

111252 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Carrie, 3, #404 of 1157 🔗

Whitty always looks like he’s suppressing a smirk,but the others go into their acting mode.Johnson banging on the table springs to mind

111299 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #405 of 1157 🔗

Whitty is just odd-looking… and he never blinks..

112005 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #406 of 1157 🔗

I hate that well-known picture of Johnson doing ‘serious face’ that he clearly practised in front of the mirror.

111413 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Carrie, 2, #407 of 1157 🔗

Carrie, a lot of them do, it is like they are embarrassed by what they are saying, like they know what they are advocating is monstrous and based on some very bad science or whatever. I can’t think of any names specifically because I dislike these people so much i just kind of turn them off in my head. It is the minor “experts” who seem to be the worst. Out of their depth and unable to intellectually get hold of what they are saying…Y’know…it’s like…errrr…giggle….

111162 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Tenchy, 4, #408 of 1157 🔗

Amputate his infected hand – it’s the only solution.

(I’d better not give the government ideas…)

111214 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tenchy, 2, #409 of 1157 🔗

Shows the hypocrisy… we should make and share on social media, a gallery of photos of politicians *not* doing the things they are expecting us to!

111118 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 11, #410 of 1157 🔗

German state media (ARD and ZDF) have gone to new depths by releasing – “Corona World” Video Game that Lets You Kill the Covidiots!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDzGjvmDyJg

Pretty shameful.

Seriously how is this allowed? I get the impression the establishment would love a non-mask wearer to be killed just to get the rest of the population more compliant. Can’t believe so many are still blind to the extremely sinister things being done.

111161 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Darryl, 6, #411 of 1157 🔗

Thanks. Just watched (I’ve missed my diet of Corbett over the last few weeks). Sickening.

You can imagine what games the Nazis would have created for children had they had the same technology as us back in the 30s. Similar content, different target.

111195 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #412 of 1157 🔗

Brainwashing them young. Dehumanising your enemies is always a standard tactic – Germany should know better.

111679 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Darryl, #413 of 1157 🔗

The worst is that the game players’ character is a nurse who has to bat children with a positive test to death.

111121 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #414 of 1157 🔗

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.25.20181487v1
Risk of COVID-19 hospitalisation rises exponentially with age, inversely proportional to T-cell production
 “Here we report that COVID-19 hospitalisation rates follow an exponential relationship with age, increasing by 4.5% per year of life (95% CI: 4.2-5.2%). This mirrors the exponential decline of thymus volume and T-cell production (decreasing by 4.5% per year). COVID-19 can therefore be added to the list of other diseases with this property, including those caused by MRSA, West Nile virus, Streptococcus Pneumonia and certain cancers, such as chronic myeloid leukemia and brain cancers.

111824 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, 1, #415 of 1157 🔗

This isn’t particularly surprising. Speigelhalter showed some time ago that mortality as a function of age was almost exactly the same for C19 as it was for all natural causes of death.

Immunosenescence follows the same curve and the decline in T-cells affects and is a marker of all systems of adaptive immunity, both cell-mediated and humoral, which both decline along with everything else (except wisdom and the ability to do crosswords) with age.

What I’m saying here is that there is so much correlation going on it’s difficult to disentangle anything specific.

111124 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #416 of 1157 🔗

Tin foil hats at the ready.

Go to your Google browser settings on your phone. Handy, all you have to do is switch it on.

111127 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #417 of 1157 🔗

This is months old

111187 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #418 of 1157 🔗

My kids tell me it’s only the API interface, to use it you’d have to download an NHS app (ha, as if!) and have yr Bluetooth switched on. Google can do this because you signed up to their T&Cs.

111211 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bruno, 1, #419 of 1157 🔗

But still (in my opinion) unwise to download updates to one’s iPhone without checking what’s in them..

111134 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 8, #420 of 1157 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/09/01/smith-nephew-workers-kept-apart-vibrating-bracelets/

“The Covid crisis has created a mini-boom for a host of tech firms, with surging demand for products from social distancing alarms to temperature-scanning cameras that can detect a fever.” I bet it has.

111210 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #421 of 1157 🔗

Seriously, I can’t imagine anything more likely to make you unpopular with your mates than wearing a social distancing alarm!

111212 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Carrie, 5, #422 of 1157 🔗

I don’t want to know ANYBODY who wears one of these or thinks social distancing is a good idea. These people are dangerous fools.

111235 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Two-Six, 1, #423 of 1157 🔗

Exactly!

111429 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Carrie, 1, #424 of 1157 🔗

😂 😂 😂 😂 Please save us from this insanity!

111675 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Carrie, 1, #425 of 1157 🔗

Should it be a Physical distance alarm?
The phrase “social distance” is the unword of the year.

111138 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #426 of 1157 🔗

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/
https://twitter.com/JohnDStats/status/1300550607930044416/photo/1
France second wave? Look at the enormous number of C-19 cases in Juy Aug(almost as high as in MarchApril) and look at the gov. statistics 31 st Aug. Hospitalization and ICU use low and stable. Deaths low and stable and notice the quick turnaround of patients.

111144 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #427 of 1157 🔗

https://twitter.com/JohnDStats/status/1300083778732339200/photo/1
Daily deaths C-19 all Europe.Remarkable stable last two months despite a big country Ukraine is just on the rising wave of the pandemic.

111152 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to swedenborg, 6, #428 of 1157 🔗

When asked to explain this phenomenon I heard one of the “experts” recently putting it down to the lag between hospitalisations and deaths, and also between positive tests and hospitalisations. Surely they are still not trying to pull that one? This situation has been going on for weeks now.

111155 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tenchy, 5, #429 of 1157 🔗

Not ‘weeks’ – ‘months’.

111213 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tenchy, 1, #430 of 1157 🔗

The BLM nonsense kicked off in May…

111164 ▶▶ Jane in France, replying to swedenborg, #431 of 1157 🔗
111181 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 1, #432 of 1157 🔗

Casedemic

111140 NonCompliant, replying to NonCompliant, 5, #433 of 1157 🔗

The Go Fund Me page for Piers Corbyn was taken down. They have form for picking and choosing so I’m surprised he even tried to use them ! New crowdfun available here:

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/defend-the-right-to-protest/

111146 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to NonCompliant, 10, #434 of 1157 🔗

Thanks! Chipped in.

On £12,868 already.

111154 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to NonCompliant, 13, #435 of 1157 🔗

If a thousand of us chip in a tenner for each protest, and only one person gets arrested and fined for being the organiser (a different one each time), there is absolutely nothing the ‘authorities’ can do to stop us having a protest each and every week, and in different parts of the country. I’m quite happy to step forward as the scapegoated ‘organiser’ for a protest.

Time for us to get organised. If we continually game the rules they keep on making, they can’t stop us.

111163 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Mr Dee, 7, #436 of 1157 🔗

Fines before conviction are illegal: Bill of Rights 1689.

111175 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #437 of 1157 🔗

His arrest is illegal as far as I’m concerned. I’ve chipped in as a show of solidarity (I’d have been there listening to him in person if I had had the chance).

111471 ▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #438 of 1157 🔗

If the protesters had physically, but peacefully, stopped the Police getting anywhere near Corbyn, what would have happened?

111209 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #439 of 1157 🔗

it’s not a fine if you accept the fixed penalty notice.

You accept the FPN and sign it to say this you have pleaded guilty, no trial needed, and just sentencing then which is the “fine”.

Never sign it to say you accept it, either refuse to take it or take it and send it back saying you refute it and let them take you to court.

111270 ▶▶▶ Marie R, replying to Mr Dee, #440 of 1157 🔗

Done

111193 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to NonCompliant, 11, #441 of 1157 🔗

I wonder if the Free Speech Union will speak out for Piers Corbyn? I realise people might not agree with what he says but the issue of only being allowed state approved protests is incredibly authoritarian. They should forget the surname and focus on the issue.

Notice how the media (including the BBC) are in full support of the thousands protesting against the Belarus government but attack those against the UK government?

Also it will be interesting to see if Big Brother Watch speak out. I have seen people calling them controlled opposition – we will find out shortly by their actions. Silence will equal approval on this matter.

111916 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Darryl, #442 of 1157 🔗

BBC covered lots of protests with praise, almost threw a complete fit when they saw a couple some chairs on the White House lawn only approx. 1 metre apart and not 2.

111145 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 12, #443 of 1157 🔗

This cultural appropriation garbage that Toby refers to above; what the hell is all that about? Isn’t the whole concept total balderdash? If not, then I suppose we could levy the accusation at Xi Jinping and his comrades when they were a suit and tie. Why are they not dressed up as Chairman Mao instead of appropriating our western dress code?

111157 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Tenchy, 12, #444 of 1157 🔗

I’ve been aware of this madness for the last few years now. It’s imported from the sameAmerican universities where BLM spawned from. Apparently, dressing up in a Mexican sombrero is now highly offensive.

For an excellent overview of the ‘cultural appropriation’ phenomenon, check out the podcasts of Dr Gad Saad, who is a vociferous opponent of all this nonsense.

111182 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Mr Dee, 8, #445 of 1157 🔗

yes – it seems that only white people can be guilty of cultural appropriation.

111184 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to mjr, 6, #446 of 1157 🔗

… and racism.

111241 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to mjr, 2, #447 of 1157 🔗

Yep I’m sure Beyonce dyed her hair blonde and many black women straighten their hair.The whole thing is ridiculous.Adele is from Tottenham and anyone not familiar with this part of London;it is very vibrant.Even the race baiter Lammy is sticking up for Adele.

111910 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to mjr, #448 of 1157 🔗

I guess… seems a bit strange to me. esp. in & around London, you always hear someone talk about how diversity is such a strength..
OK great then let’s celebrate diversity…
NO! cultural appropriation!! you must be a vile racist! lol.

111185 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #449 of 1157 🔗

Gad Saad is excellent, you have to be very brave to speak out the way he does against the nonsense going on in US universities. Amazed he hasn’t been sacked or had his channel removed.

111326 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Darryl, 3, #450 of 1157 🔗

He’s got tenure at a Canadian university so he’d have to be a child molester to get sacked! I know he’s not very popular with his colleagues. I really enjoy his Saad Truth bits on YouTube. I first heard him on Triggernometry — it’s a really good interview.

111208 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mr Dee, 6, #451 of 1157 🔗

It’s madness… I remember that a long while ago (80s-90s) that it was very popular among young (white) women to get their hair ‘cornrowed’ on holiday (often with beading) and I can’t see why that is such a big problem now? I would see it rather as flattering, to like some aspect of another culture so much that you want to copy it. In any case it was very much a ‘summer holiday’ thing to do; with school hairstyle rules for girls as they were back then, you had to take all the beading and plaiting out after a few weeks anyway..

What is next – we can’t eat curry or indian food any more?

111229 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Carrie, 6, #452 of 1157 🔗

Naomi Campbell, Beyonce, Meghan Markle, and Michelle Obama all have straighter hair that I do – is that cultural appropriation, or is this a one-way street?

111237 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #453 of 1157 🔗

Always a one-way street if you’re white, it would seem..

111147 nowhereman, replying to nowhereman, 3, #454 of 1157 🔗

Regarding the NYT article https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html , discussing the increasingly overly-sensitive nature of the RT-PCR test as the number of PCR cycles increases above 30 – i t strikes me that a second peak of cases could be constructed by increasing the number of cycles, even if the number of tests remains constant. D oes anyone have any information on the number of PCR cycles for Pillar 1,2 and 4 testing in the UK? Both in terms of the maximum cycles used, and also for the statistics of how many cycles were actually required before positive results were obtained? If nothing is available then maybe there would be scope for a FOI request (but maybe AG has already submitted one?!)

111156 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to nowhereman, #455 of 1157 🔗

Might be a daft question, but can you explain what a “cycle” is? I’m guessing it’s a repetition of testing the same person … ?

111160 ▶▶▶ nowhereman, replying to Tenchy, 6, #456 of 1157 🔗

From the linked NYT article:

The PCR test amplifies genetic matter from the virus in cycles; the fewer cycles required, the greater the amount of virus, or viral load, in the sample. The greater the viral load, the more likely the patient is to be contagious.
This number of amplification cycles needed to find the virus, called the cycle threshold, is never included in the results sent to doctors and coronavirus patients, although it could tell them how infectious the patients are.

111169 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to nowhereman, #457 of 1157 🔗

Got it. Thanks.

111173 ▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Tenchy, 5, #458 of 1157 🔗

Understanding RT-PCR Before we continue it is important to understand what RT-PCR, the test technology is. It is based on PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction), a DNA manufacturing technique invented by the iconoclastic Kary Mullis, who received a Chemistry Nobel for it in 1993. It is one of the most important technologies invented since the rise of the biotech industry in the 1980s. Starting with one DNA strand, the strand is cleaved (split in two) and then complementary strands are allowed to grow, the same process that occurs in a cell during mitosis (cell division). So far, not so impressive, but through the magic of doubling, if this process is repeated 10 times you will have about 1,000 identical strands of DNA. Twenty times, a million (220). Thirty times, a billion (230). Forty times, a trillion (240). Each round of doubling is referred to as a cycle. To use (or abuse) PCR as a test, you assume that you are starting with an unknown number of strands and end up with an exponential multiple after n cycles. From the quantity of materials at termination the starting quantity can be estimated. A major problem with this is that because PCR is an exponential (doubling) process, errors also grow exponentially. In reality, the starting quantity is often not estimated, but the optical density, or another characteristic, of the growing pile of DNA, can be determined. Another problem with many viruses, like coronaviruses, is that they are believed to be composed of RNA, but this can be solved by converting all RNA into DNA with the Reverse Transcriptase enzyme at the start of the process. The technology, after these two adaptations, is known as RT-PCR (Reverse Transcriptase PCR). Now you have the information necessary to understand the numbers from 20-40 on the vertical axis of the graphs above. These are the number of cycles. It implies that it always took at least 20 PCR cycles before any RNA could be detected, and they stopped after a maximum of 37 cycles. The blue line is at cycle 38, and the black dots do not mean RNA was detected after 38 cycles (as clarified in the paper), but that it wasn’t detected by 37 cycles, and so the process terminated. This “Serial Cycle Threshold (Ct)” was the arbitrary definition of a negative result by the authors of reference [24].

https://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf

111183 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to 2 pence, 1, #459 of 1157 🔗

Excellent explanation. Thanks. The same process of “amplification” that’ used in forensics when only a small amount of DNA material is available from a crime scene?

111417 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to 2 pence, #460 of 1157 🔗

Thanks for that but I’m afraid it’s a mystery to me. 😏

111179 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tenchy, 1, #461 of 1157 🔗

https://youtu.be/yexcogLsK3U

A good example shown in this discussion of the amplification process

111361 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #462 of 1157 🔗

There is, of course, the story of placing one penny on the first square of a chess board, two pennies on the next, and continuing to subsequent squares doubling each time.

Or simply taking a sheet of newspaper and folding it ten times.

111192 ▶▶▶ Baloo, replying to Tenchy, 4, #463 of 1157 🔗

In simple terms a PCR cycle is one round of amplification. Say you have one strand of DNA the cycle consists of heating the sample to ~90°C (first activates the polymerase – don’t worry about this) which separates the DNA strands the temperature then drops to around 52°C so your primers bind (these are simply brackets of DNA) then the temperature is heated to ~72°C and the individual bases then fill in the gaps between the brackets and the polymerase zips the strands together. Thus you end up with 2 strands of DNA. That is one cycle. Repeat and you end up with 4, 8, 16 and so forth. The process is simpler for RNA as it’s single stranded but the principal is the same. This is PCR. RT-PCR is slightly different as its run in real time, thus you need an additional mechanism to do this, usually a fluorescent tag (something like sybrgreen). To run it effectively you have to have made a standard curve as a reference point to the concentration of RNA in each sample and then this has to be compared to at least 2 other housekeeping genes which are relatively constant in whatever sample you’re looking at (usually something like actin). Once done, it is possible to make inference on quantitative amounts of DNA/RNA I.e. upregulation/downregulation of a known protein etc. In my experience (digging out my old PhD thesis, the whole process takes many attempts to get the correct environment for a sensible output and once doing so should only be used as an experiment to back up data from other data sets using other techniques. Stephem Bustin explains this very well.

111196 ▶▶▶▶ Baloo, replying to Baloo, 2, #464 of 1157 🔗

I should add for RNA one has to convert to cDNA for the PCR to work. RNA is extremely susceptible to breaking down as it’s single stranded – this is usually kept in liquid nitrogen to avoid freeze-thaw damage.

111670 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to nowhereman, #465 of 1157 🔗

There is no standardised test or system to perform the test. Scandal itself. By now they should have regulated it.

111150 Klein, replying to Klein, 19, #466 of 1157 🔗

Prof Heneghan is everywhere at the minute, great to see. I wonder if this is deliberate by the govt to try and calm down people who are overly scared? Has someone had a word?

Maybe its been realised that having Matt Hancock screaming about a second wave every 5 mins isn’t doing any good for an economy that is halfway down the gary glitter.

Dr John Campbell also has a good video on youtube about falling death rates. When he’s talking about it being about 0.3%, I couldn’t help thinking that this has been known about for ages…but better late than never Doc.

111171 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Klein, 7, #467 of 1157 🔗

Campbell is a good one. He’s slowly coming around and so, for me, is a good example of a turning tide.

If this tide does turn, I think this could be an ultimately positive thing in some ways as it can open people to a lot of power games ongoing beneath the surface.

My wife, who I don’t try and rant to too much about this stuff, asked “what this Bill Gates stuff is all about?” last night. Now, the question alone shows just how sheltered she has been from what is happening. I explained to her how his hands are all over this crisis and she started asking a few more questions.

I told her there are some hard decisions coming for people, including us and to get informed on her own first. The gears are staring to turn.

111191 ▶▶▶ Klein, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 19, #468 of 1157 🔗

That is one thing I’ve noticed when I talk to some people – they really appear to have done very little research of their own.
A couple of things I’ve heard recently – someone asked me what SAGE was….how can you not know that?
I also heard the Swedish model described as ‘let everyone die’. I then had to explain they have less deaths per capita than the most locked down countries in Europe.

I saw a few dots start to be joined when I mentioned that an estimated 80k people died in the Hong Kong flu pandemic…”wait so that’s twice as much and also with a smaller population…I hadn’t even heard about that”

I realised the other day that one thing that has disappointed me most about all this is how incurious some people are. How can you not know or not want to know some of these things? It baffles me, especially given how easily accessible this information is.

111197 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Klein, 15, #469 of 1157 🔗

Note how it’s become a badge of honour to say “I’m not interested in politics.” … and such shite is met with nods of assent.

… which is the same as saying ‘I’ve just given my brain away because I don’t use it’.

111201 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to RickH, 6, #470 of 1157 🔗

It’s a badge of Honour to be Stupid For England.

111198 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Klein, 9, #471 of 1157 🔗

Mind blowing isn’t it. It’s universal. People have absolutely NO CLUE about almost EVERYTHING to do with The Corona Project. It’s just, insane.

111403 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Two-Six, #472 of 1157 🔗

They are zombies and I resent being treated as if I were one too!

111238 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Klein, 8, #473 of 1157 🔗

The worst are the ones who are really agressively pro-lockdown and muzzles, but have literally done zero research and have no understand of anything. The height of foolishness.

111272 ▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Klein, 8, #474 of 1157 🔗

I’ve been amazed how many people, university educated ones at that, don’t know anything about Neil Ferguson and his “previous form”

111324 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Margaret, 4, #475 of 1157 🔗

Yes, I know several people who look blank when I mention Ferguson. One even has a family member who works for government!

111278 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Klein, 7, #476 of 1157 🔗

To be fair though most people shouldn’t have to start learning about T-cells, PCR tests and R rates. They’re going to do what they are forced to do and their understanding of the situation is going to come almost entirely from the mainstream media. That’s why it’s vitally important for the media (and politicians) to provide challenge, balance and context. This they have singularly failed to do (for whatever reasons). People have instead been subjected to a 6 month propaganda campaign. Is it any wonder they just go along with whatever they’re asked.

111280 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Klein, 5, #477 of 1157 🔗

Conversation today with a woman clearly in difficulties.
I told her, you know you don’t have to wear that mask .
“Yes I do, I’ve got breathing difficulties”.
That’s the reason you don’t have to wear it.
“I ‘ad the double pneumonia so I have to”.

I gave up at that.

111402 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Klein, 2, #478 of 1157 🔗

We visited Aldeburgh Suffolk today, lovely sunny weather but the idiots wearing face masks spoilt it for us.

111496 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Klein, 1, #479 of 1157 🔗

That is one thing I’ve noticed when I talk to some people – they really appear to have done very little research of their own.

No ! Really ?

111194 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #480 of 1157 🔗

Wow, your wife is asking about Bill Gates NOW? Incredible. Do you live in separate parts of the house or something?

111264 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Two-Six, 3, #481 of 1157 🔗

Haha. She knows I’m against masks, think there is nothing to worry about for us as a family in terms of dying, that our politicians are not effective. She knows about the Casedemic perspective. So I’ve done some work to get her informed.

The Bill Gates stuff is the next level. It is the big picture stuff.

111397 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #482 of 1157 🔗

Obviously is not ALL and Gates, he is just one of many people and groups who are hitching their wagons onto the Corona Gravy Train. Yes the big picture is essential here. The problem is, it’s a really big picture, like standing in front of a drive through movie screen 1 meter away from it, all you can see are blurry pixels.

111207 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 13, #483 of 1157 🔗

After first mentioning it out of the blue a few days ago this morning she basically ordered me to keep an watch out for more mask protests as she definitely wants to go.

She’s gone from depressed and totally despondent to swinging between despondency and growing anger.

I think I’ll use her as a cross between a barometer and weather vane to gauge the mood of the average non-political person.

Weather forecast based on today – changeable with major storm to come.

111323 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Klein, 2, #484 of 1157 🔗

If so, why don’t they just fire Hancock?

111401 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #485 of 1157 🔗

at the STAKE?

111406 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Two-Six, #486 of 1157 🔗

Preferably yes! I like a good blaze!

111497 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #487 of 1157 🔗

Sounds like my birthday cakes. Far too many candles…

111331 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Klein, #488 of 1157 🔗

Campbell has been pushing the agenda until recently.

111153 Steve Hayes, 2, #489 of 1157 🔗

Who says that innumeracy can’t benefit society?

It is certainly benefiting some.

111170 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 28, #490 of 1157 🔗

This government is so pig ignorant it believes that locking up Piers Corbyn is going to save them

It will just hasten the day of their demise

If he wasn’t a threat before, he is now

111172 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Cecil B, 13, #491 of 1157 🔗

Typical actions of a dictatorship.

111355 ▶▶ alw, replying to Cecil B, 4, #492 of 1157 🔗

The only Corbyn that is a threat to government…lol.

111186 RickH, replying to RickH, 62, #493 of 1157 🔗

As autumn arrives, I’ve just been thinking broadly about the costs that this bunch of Spivs has imposed on society.

The actuarial approach to saving ‘life years’ in relation to any action has been frequently remarked : that a young life saved outweighs a life of we certified Old Fart Club members in terms of life expectation.

This – of course – is absolutely correct, and is a crucial factor in assessing the cost of any interventions against gains. It is particularly important in assessing the benefits of social damage done by lock-up against minimal gains in terms of life of a very elderly and vulnerable population.

That’s why the ‘Save Granny’ narrative is simply emotional blackmail – an excuse for bad policy decisions. The costs imposed on the rest of the population don’t just vanish from the balance sheet. And, even if a lot of younger people seem quite happy to engage with this self-denying ordinance – they are unnecessarily sacrificing time and opportunity that won’t return.

However, there is also (I reflect) another hidden cost factor for we Old Farts.

People such as myself indeed have a limited lifespan – so each impoverished month of lock-up is a massive deprivation in terms of the total of months that we have left to enjoy.

I am – to an extent – lucky in having family, friends and neighbours who share the attitude of sticking two fingers up to the absurd impositions visited on us by the Spivs.We have a comfortable house and a garden. But. even so, the social, physical and psychological penalties of this lock-up have been immense. These precious months of summer will not come back – nor will there be many of such summers to come.

… and that’s looking from a fairly fortunate standpoint.

What about those who have few or none of those benefits – who are terrified of contact with their children and grandchildren, see hardly anyone and for whom the lock-up may well be an added nudge towards death?

Come September and they have lost almost everything that makes ‘Life’ in one of those final years – on the flimsy excuse of ‘saving lives’.

They’re even threatened with a non-Christmas, FFS!

This I cannot forgive.

111250 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to RickH, 4, #494 of 1157 🔗

Superb post Rick, expresses my sentiments perfectly, especially the ‘lost summer’ and ‘psychological penalties’ comments. Judging by what you have written here I am sure we must have a lot in common (except the bit about Christmas – I simply ignore that annoying nonsense and have done for many a year! )

111265 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Old Bill, 2, #495 of 1157 🔗

Yeh – I know – but some people like it 🙂

111273 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RickH, 18, #496 of 1157 🔗

The overwhelming majority of the grannies I have spoken to before, during and this sort of after lockdown limbo have said they should/have let the Covid run its course in the usual way.
They are made of sterner stuff than the younger middle class types wetting the bed on their behalf.

111314 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to karenovirus, 14, #497 of 1157 🔗

Like you, I have spoken to and heard about a fair few senior who don’t want to be “saved.” I’d love to see an advert or commercial featuring a senior who expresses Rick’s sentiments. Can you imagine a seniors march with placards saying stuff like “Don’t Save Us, Get Back to Work!”, “We’ve Lived Through Worse”, “Life is for the Living”, “I Want to Hug My Grandchildren.”

111309 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 5, #498 of 1157 🔗

The guilty men and women deserve some kind of severe punishment, for sure.

111540 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Julian, 4, #499 of 1157 🔗

Punishment of the guilty is vital. We can start with Johnson and Hancock, who have both acted treasonously on behalf of a foreign agent, namely Bill Gates, the self appointed vaccine tsar.

Together Johnson and Hancock have quite literally murdered many thousands of our fellow citizens. It is therefore a great blessing, that the death sentence still exists for treason. Neither of these traitors should be spared the rope.

111329 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to RickH, 22, #500 of 1157 🔗

Superb analysis.

I’m well into my 8th decade, have space, many jobs around the house to keep me active and so the lockdown has been little more than a minor annoyance to our small family. However, we have missed many simple pleasures. At the same time we realise just how lucky we are and feel devastated that we can do so little to help others directly: e.g. friends locked up in care homes.

I am incensed that a small group of rich layabouts with dismal ethics, withered brains, lack of compassion, unable or unwilling to carry out the tasks they were either elected or appointed for and arrogating far too much power to themselves, have been able to hoodwink so many in the nation and march them towards a life of slavery with such ease.

It was quite difficult, while writing to my MP, to remain calm and civil while making the case for the Coronavirus Act be terminated and all our freedoms be restored instead of it being extended for another unconscionable two years .

111553 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #501 of 1157 🔗

Like you I am in the twilight years and many times a day I now give thanks for just being old. The young face a very frightening world but that is not much to do with the overhyped Covid-19.

The very real problem is that the UK government is now clearly working to an external agenda, which has much to do with control and depopulation.

The coming Covid-19 vaccines will be a major part of the very unfriendly future and will need to be avoided, as if our very lives depended on it, which of course, they almost certainly will.

111391 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to RickH, 17, #502 of 1157 🔗

Being in the autumn of my years I bitterly resent my valuable freedom being stolen by these conmen. We planned on having an around the world trip, a last good blast to build some precious memories instead all I have is a burning hatred for these b’stards that are depriving us of it.

111485 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, #503 of 1157 🔗

Well said.

111692 ▶▶ NickR, replying to RickH, 2, #504 of 1157 🔗

NICE will approve life saving medical medical interventions to a cost of £30,000 per year. If we’d had the world’s worst death toll 15,000 extra people would have died. If we’d followed Sweden’s lockdown lite the economic cost would have been half what it was, £175bn. That works out at £11.6m per life saved (usually an 80 year old diabetic). The same money could have provided 380 years worth of treatment for sick children, as an illustration, or a new cancer ward.

111715 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to RickH, #505 of 1157 🔗

Thanks for this. love your work! you are spot on with regards to how they generally promote the “young life saved…” bit, I remember thinking back, that Health lady who does ITV evening news sometimes (Emily Morgan? maybe, not totally sure.) I’m sure I remember her now, back in Jan Feb, asking family members to ‘consider’ conversations with elderly relatives, as to how they would like to carry on; the gist of it being, – you don’t want them to end up potentially taking a ventilator or hospital bed away from a younger & healthy progressive individual now, do you?

The irony: a young teenager (ID obscured) was talking recently on a news item, about how he was lured to gang warfare, essentially he thought he had no choice, constantly being told he had no future, & that he couldn’t & wouldn’t amount to anything. Cue another news report a little later – Refugee groups saying around 500 migrants entering the UK every week isn’t enough, we need them to do the jobs, stimulate the economy.. blah blah… sounds very much like they are saying – we need boatloads of people to replace the talented young healthy progressives that everyone keeps referring to as our country’s future & lifeblood!!

111722 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to RickH, #506 of 1157 🔗

Hear, hear!!!

111189 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 38, #507 of 1157 🔗

Just in from The Telegraph live feed – some eminently sensible suggestions from Mr Abbott:

Lift Covid restrictions to allow people to judge risk, says ex-Australian PM

Coronavirus restrictions should be lifted so that people can make their own decisions about the risks they are prepared to run, a former Australian prime minister has urged.

Tony Abbott, who is tipped to become joint president of Britain’s relaunched Board of Trade, railed against strict lockdowns – questioning whether the measures are proportionate to the disease.

In an address to the Policy Exchange think tank in London, he said: “From a health perspective, this pandemic has been serious. From an economic perspective, it has been disastrous.

“But I suspect that, from an overall wellbeing perspective, it will turn out worst of all.

“Because this is what happens when, for much more than a mere moment, we let fear of falling sick stop us from being fully alive.

“Now that each one of us has had six months to consider this pandemic and to make our own judgments about it, surely it is time to relax the rules so that individuals can take more personal responsibility and make more of their own decisions about the risks that they are prepared to run?”

He also warned that lockdown measures could be kept up “indefinitely” in the absence of a vaccine – and said they can produce not just a “stop-start economy, but a stop-start life”.

111203 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tenchy, 4, #508 of 1157 🔗

I believe it was Boris who appointed him – is he now speaking for Boris? I’m just remembering that when Boris spoke about the Last Night of the Proms fiasco, he said something about others not wanting him to say anything.. (giving the impression he is being ‘gagged’ in some way..)

111306 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Carrie, 1, #509 of 1157 🔗

The PM gagged? Not sure by whom. He generally likes to talk. Wouldn’t believe a word he says about anything.

111205 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Tenchy, 2, #510 of 1157 🔗

That would be very welcome indeed, I hope it happens

111206 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Tenchy, 7, #511 of 1157 🔗

When I saw Abbot I thought “Diane Abbot? Sensible? Am I reading that right?” then it was the ex-Australian PM so phew, the world has not gone even madder and surreal than what passes for normal nowadays.

111218 ▶▶ Father McKenzie, replying to Tenchy, 3, #512 of 1157 🔗

They will have to snap the majority of the woke Melbournians out their lockdown spell, still so many are blindly following their Labour Government into dystopia, willfully ignoring the Murdoch news outlets who are sounding the alarm that they are heading towards economic collapse and police state control.

111308 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tenchy, 7, #513 of 1157 🔗

That’s a huge deal for our “movement” IMO – a heavyweight politician not long our of office, making quite a strong statement for reason.

Could he be the first leader of the “Back to normal” single-issue UK political party that someone ought to found & fund?

111200 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 26, #514 of 1157 🔗

I’ve got a confession. I haven’t been staying alert lately. I completely forgot about it. No wonder it’s still not safe for us to return to normal. Sorry folks.

111225 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Hubes, 8, #515 of 1157 🔗

I’m pleased to say some people walked by me today without circumnavigation the earth to avoid me. Better still, they may have been teachers as I had just walked past a school.

111266 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #516 of 1157 🔗

We don’t often see LOL on this forum but “circumnavigating the earth” made me LOL!

111282 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Hubes, 1, #517 of 1157 🔗

So the second wave will be your fault? Thanks mate.

111305 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Hubes, 5, #518 of 1157 🔗

Ha ha, so it’s all your fault!

Was in a large Midlands town this weekend, huge portable traffic signs everywhere telling us that the town was approaching the danger level for infections and everyone needed to do their bit to stop a local lockdown. They didn’t explain what we needed to do, though.

111476 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, 7, #519 of 1157 🔗

Avoid getting tested?

111533 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Hubes, 1, #520 of 1157 🔗

Me neither. And I forgot to control the virus yesterday, and instead of saving lives I killed a few grannies.

111202 Father McKenzie, 2, #521 of 1157 🔗

It amazes me how Piers Morgan can claim to be the brave protector of free thought and free speech, while as the same time is one the biggest Covid alarmists going. He’s obviously playing to both sides, as most on here know that the same people who want the government to criminalise speech and protect them from hateful phrases, also want the government to keep them safe and coddled from the plague in eternal lockdown.

111204 Awkward Git, 7, #522 of 1157 🔗

Got a message from Hector Drummond.

He’s put on Twitter the quote from CMO Whitty from 21 July 2020:

https://twitter.com/hector_drummond/status/1300723822841139200

Plus links to the transcripts.

Making progress.

Thanks Hector.

111220 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 16, #523 of 1157 🔗

I disagree with almost everything Piers Corbyn has to say, but I would defend to the death his right to say it.

Prime Minister Piers Corbyn

I agree with Piers Corbyn on the EU – he would have triggered article 50 the day after the referendum

I agree with Piers Corbyn on the the lockdown – we would not be destroying our economy by taking our orders from the WHO

I agree with Piers Corbyn on the Climate change – we would not be destroying our economy by going “carbon free” (does that mean no living creature will be breathing out?)

You need huge amounts of coal to make the steel for pointless wind turbines and electric cars

111223 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #524 of 1157 🔗

Couldn’t be worse than what we’ve got

111243 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 12, #525 of 1157 🔗

Piers Corbyn is certainly unusual these days – someone who thinks independently and hasn’t sold old to big business or special interest groups. We need more like him and less group think.

111385 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Darryl, 1, #526 of 1157 🔗

Piers Corbyn is great!, mad as a sack of badgers but none the less he does talk a whole lot of sense too. I just wish he would can the 5G stuff at least for now.

111487 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Two-Six, 1, #527 of 1157 🔗

I love his website-real mad professor stuff. I understand he does a counter demonstration whenever Extinction Rebellion turn up

111290 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #528 of 1157 🔗

I’m currently agnostic about 5G as I don’t know enough about it either way, i.e. whether it’s harmful, and if it is, how much.
I also agree with most other things he says.

111222 Cecil B, 3, #529 of 1157 🔗

I’ve just viewed the picture of the two nobodies shaking hands. Shaking hands good. However WTF have they got to be smiling about?

Shows the contempt they have for us

111227 TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, 20, #530 of 1157 🔗

I’m beginning to think that we do need a global reset, just not the one they think. We need:

Career politicians banned. All politicians need a minimum 10 years work experience in a non-executive role. Basic intelligence test required to ensure an understanding of basic maths and reasoning (bye bye all of the Labour front bench and 90% of the rest).

All employees of public agencies (WHO, PHE etc) and politicians banned from holding shares or executive roles in any related business. Conflicting financial or other gain punishable by lengthy prison terms.

There needs to be a cap on maximum wealth, I don’t know, £100 million personal wealth? Any excess goes to charity (real charity), the Exchequer or to employee pay rises. The power of Gates, Soros, Bezos etc needs to be chopped away. Hiding excess personal wealth punished with prison.

Research grants to be awarded independently and in a way that prevents the outcome being skewed. Scientists must become independent again and future funding should not be based upon whether they have the desired output.

Universities to be protected from meddling by political ideologies. Punishable by prison.

Media to have protections from interference by wealthy owners with political ambitions. There should be a barrier of seperation where owners have no input in the running of the business. Banning media executives from political membership.

Someone, please start a political movement.

In short we have become an utterly corrupt planet, without many people noticing. The current criminals in charge make the Mafia look like toddlers.

111262 ▶▶ RickH, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #531 of 1157 🔗

bye bye all of the Labour front bench”

I think that the Tory government to a man or woman is already well ahead in the dimwit stakes.

111320 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to RickH, 4, #532 of 1157 🔗

Yeah, the vast majority of parliamentarians are morons, I’m just picking on Labour because they have some spectacular cases – Anneliese Dodds, Dawn Bulter, John Ashworth, Angela Raynor. But obviously people like Handjob are giving them a run for their money.

111384 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TheBluePill, #533 of 1157 🔗

Nadine Dorreys, she is pretty clever.

111448 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to TheBluePill, #534 of 1157 🔗

You should create a new political party with this as the manifesto. I’d vote for you!

111772 ▶▶ Lili, replying to TheBluePill, #535 of 1157 🔗

100%

111236 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #536 of 1157 🔗

Let’s hope they haven’t bought Giesecke:

https://unherd.com/thepost/johan-giesecke-gets-new-role-at-who/

111240 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #537 of 1157 🔗

This is my worry – did you see my post the other day, theorising that we here in Sweden are being used as a ‘control’ in their experiment, and why? Remember Giesecke employed Tegnell…

111246 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Carrie, 7, #538 of 1157 🔗

That said, things are going well in Sweden so a major change in policy (eg towards masks) would be unjustifiable.. Today’s stats:

  • 20 fewer people in hospital with CV19 than on Friday
  • 4 regions with zero hospitalised people
  • Additionally: one region with 1 person in hospital, one region with 2 and five regions with 3; meaning that when added to the ‘zero’ regions, 11 of Sweden’s 21 regions have 3 or fewer patients in hospital with the virus
  • Only the four biggest regions (Stockholm, Gothenburg, Skåne and Uppsala) have more than 10 people in hospital. And the way things are going, I’d expect numbers in the latter two of those regions to drop below 10 by Friday or early next week..
111381 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Carrie, 1, #539 of 1157 🔗

You guys HAVE TO GET TO COVID ZERO! This is just not good enough.

So wack on your face nappies and gloves like everybody else does and stop complaining. Stay in, save lives, stay alert, save your NHS, or what ever you call it. One life lost is too many…

Huh you guys and your Volvos and your smogesboards and your funny accents.

Oh yer, and ban cars too!
😉

Actually I do think Sweden has been used as a control in The Corona Project.

111431 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Two-Six, 1, #540 of 1157 🔗

If things carry on at the current rate, in a few weeks it will *only* be the Stockholm and Gothenburg areas with any Covid patients in hospital.. Currently the former has 38 hospitalised and the latter 41..

As regards us being a ‘control’, we will see what happens when the covipass and vaccine come along..

111529 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Two-Six, 3, #541 of 1157 🔗

they also fuck in the street in giant open air baths, apparently it’s the law.

111607 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Biker, #542 of 1157 🔗

if only… what a wonderful place that would be..

111467 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Carrie, 1, #543 of 1157 🔗

I did…

111258 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #544 of 1157 🔗

I think he will be a good asset to the WHO and won’t be bought, but he will be very diplomatic, steering rather than criticising…
His appointment is a recognition of his position and Sweden’s success

111261 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 5, #545 of 1157 🔗

I suspect he has been a very powerful support to Tegnell who was under enormous pressure leading Sweden’s c19 response while having to take both the domestic and the excessive and unjustified international criticism.

111301 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Major Panic, 3, #546 of 1157 🔗

In the interviews I have seen, he has been pretty convincing. I’d be surprised if he could be bought. He probably knows he’s a huge hero, and hopefully a little bit of vanity would stop him from selling out.

111344 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 1, #547 of 1157 🔗

Reminds me of Varoufakis during the time of the Greek EU bailout in so much as one man leading a cause of sovereignty against overwhelming international pressure.

The medicine was rammed down the the throat of the Greeks and he managed to lead a No vote in terms of the bailout referendum. Didn’t do much good in the end as he was overstepped by the PM

111295 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Major Panic, 1, #548 of 1157 🔗

Hopefully!

111239 Ethelred the Unready, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 1, #549 of 1157 🔗

Handy-Cock, clearly the barsteward grand-offspring of the great Stan Laurel

111247 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 1, #550 of 1157 🔗

I have a wooden spoon with more gravitas than the #NowhereMan

111248 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Ethelred the Unready, 7, #551 of 1157 🔗

Please don’t insult Stan.

111263 ▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Mr Dee, 6, #552 of 1157 🔗

Stan Laurel was a comic genius, Hancock is tragedy as farce

111268 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Mr Dee, #553 of 1157 🔗

When you see a picture of Laurel not “in character” he looks a really sensible guy.

111253 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 15, #554 of 1157 🔗

Bit of an own goal for the Scottish Government today. “ The Scottish government said it was common for other viral infections to circulate after a “prolonged break” away from school. ” So if tens of thousands of children are indeed off school with viral infections that are not the dreaded coronavirus then does that mean that all the nonsense around masks, social distancing, bubbles, phased start and finish times etc etc etc… is completely ineffective in preventing the spread of viruses??
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53983392

111257 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #555 of 1157 🔗

Hahaha! Good point – though not actually funny unfortunately.

111260 ▶▶ RickH, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #556 of 1157 🔗

No doubt the upsurge of infection caused by inactive immune systems will be rolled into the Fear narrative.

111357 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #557 of 1157 🔗

I laughed at the irony of this. The lunatics running the asylum is great, although equally tragic, comedy. Monty Python was great, it’s so satisfying to see a great British tradition carried on!

111374 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Arnie, 2, #558 of 1157 🔗

nothing is funny any more.

111423 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Two-Six, 1, #559 of 1157 🔗

It’s probably banned.

111255 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #560 of 1157 🔗

…. people with type 2 diabetes are two times more likely to die after contracting coronavirus.

Does that mean twice as likely?! More infantilising. Are people really so innumerate?

Besides that, they’re being put on a non-food diet:

Thousands of people will be offered a soup-and-shakes weight-loss plan on the NHS to tackle the rise of type 2 diabetes.

So far advanced is our glorious new national deity, that the diet is low calorie – an outdated earlier religion, guaranteed to create weight rebound later. Presumably they’ll be on high carb, low fat and filled up with nutritionally useless watery veggies. Clueless!

Besides which, I’m guessing some company is going to profit from the meal replacement products:

The year-long plans will see those who could benefit provided with “total diet replacement products” such as specially formulated low-calorie shakes and soups for three months, alongside support to increase their exercise levels.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/sep/01/thousands-of-diabetics-to-be-given-soup-and-shake-diet-plan-on-nhs

111259 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #561 of 1157 🔗

Exactly. “Two times” or “two-time” is another of those bullshit journalistic neologisms that’s come to the fore in recent times. I always thought two-time meant to play away, as it were. Put it alongside, uptick, surge, soar and the rest of them.

111310 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #562 of 1157 🔗

This also plays on the fact that most people don’t understand the difference between absolute and relative risk. If your risk of dying from something is .25% and it doubles, that sounds horrible but I’d say your odds of surviving are still pretty darned good! Medical “journalists” play this trick on the unsuspecting public all the time. Which is not to say that Type 2 diabetes isn’t a significant risk factor for dying of all kinds of things. As for the “diet”, I agree with Cheezilla — likely based on old recommendations and should look like something closer to Paleo or Keto to have any real effect.

111641 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #563 of 1157 🔗

The chances of someone without diabetes dying are the same as those of anyone living: 100%. So it’s hard to see how they can be 200% for people with type 2 diabetes.

111346 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Cheezilla, #564 of 1157 🔗

I suspect that we will never see the results of this project.

111370 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, #565 of 1157 🔗

Huh…that’s going to do peoples health the WORLD of good, just add water instant crappy soups and shakes, stacked up with sweatners…Like the crap that “weight watchers” sell, total junk that might well give people pancreatic cancer.

Why don’t the government advocate proper food? Real vegetables and real food? Put money into cookery classes? Allotments and money to help with buying tools and seeds?

WHY DON’T THEY? Because they are…….

Answers below….just for fun.

111267 Cheezilla, 3, #566 of 1157 🔗

Our government is surely marooned and desperate when it recruits reality TV stars to explain its coronavirus control system

Dare I ask why? A celeb such as Hughes has more than 2 million followers on Instagram , whereas the health secretary, Matt Hancock, has fewer than than 50,000. It probably helps, as well, that people actually like Love Island contestants.

So what’s in it for the celebs? The pride of serving your country in its hour of need, of course. And the fact that such posts can apparently pocket you up to £15,000 a pop probably doesn’t hurt either .

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/31/love-island-stars-best-advise-test-trace-government-coronavirus

111269 dorset dumpling, 8, #567 of 1157 🔗

Update on Waitrose as promised yesterday. No bouncer on the door, all other customers were muzzled and about 50% of staff. Interestingly, the staff(sorry, partners) on the deli/meat/fish counters were unmuzzled whereas most filling shelves were. Presumably it’s their choice. Beyond that, an almost normal visit

111271 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, #568 of 1157 🔗

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111293 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, #569 of 1157 🔗

Photo not displaying and can’t get it to open in another window – where did you see it?

111414 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #570 of 1157 🔗

Not socially distanced enough. How about being fired off into space in a special module with no plan for return?

111440 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RickH, #571 of 1157 🔗

who? the government and/or sage

111274 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 11, #572 of 1157 🔗

MPs are ordered to “take anti-racism classes” ‘ – The “unconscious bias” snake oil is now on sale in the House of Commons

Keir Starmer ordering his MPs to do anti-racist training is reminiscent of Mao’s Cultural Revolution education program.

111328 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to richard riewer, 1, #573 of 1157 🔗

In this day and age, if you need to be told something is racist then… is the something actually racist?

111688 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Major Panic, 1, #574 of 1157 🔗

Well we were told taking off Little Britain, Mighty Boosh, and not buying a Lego Fire & Police Station would end racism…we did these things. Wait, are you saying that racism still exists?? blimey

111352 ▶▶ alw, replying to richard riewer, 6, #575 of 1157 🔗

I grew up in apartheid South Africa and have worked here all my life mostly for local authority. I was expected to go on anti racist training and refused because local authority knew less about racism than I did. Got away with it.

111409 ▶▶ RickH, replying to richard riewer, 7, #576 of 1157 🔗

The problem with this sort of crap is that damages any real action against racism. Thus, the Beeb will bang on about slavery 200 years ago and recruit a few middle-class black individuals to the establishment enterprise. But this will simply reinforce the establishment grip on the organisation, whilst real race and class biases go untouched.

111459 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 5, #577 of 1157 🔗

Very much in agreement here. These things are usually counter-productive. Worse, the materials are usually imported from the US. Generally speaking, our race problems have different issues from their race problems. And this was the problem with the BLM protests concentrating on slavery. They weren’t the slaves here, in the UK. That was us. Especially if Saxon and, in later years, working class.

111526 ▶▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #578 of 1157 🔗

I agree completely.
Slavery was never needed in the UK as there was ample labour available already in the form of the white working classes whose living conditions were equivalent to slavery.
Slaves were imported to the US because of the shortage of labourers I am concerned that many people think our history is similar to the US.

Although we traded slaves, slavery was illegal on British soil. The BBC constantly harps on about black history (which is not wrong) but then discusses it from the perspective of American history, which is nothing to do with the UK and is confusing for our own black community.

In fact, after slaving was declared illegal in Britain, we became disgustingly moral about it and the royal navy patrolled the African coast to intercept slavers.
Every time I turn on Radio four these days, (which is not often) I hear an American voice. Why? Is the BBC now a branch of the CIA?

111890 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to RickH, #579 of 1157 🔗

Yes, the BBC (and ITV) seem desperate to paint this country as institutionally racist, yet seem to forget that in many areas, like the NHS, Education, are staffed with thousands of hard working migrants. Don’t know the full figures right now, but the migrant population working in Health industries alone is very high.

You’re right, they won’t go 5 minutes without banging on about diversity on screen, yet this issue is challenged and reviewed repeatedly. Here’s the latest report from Diamond, who specifically exist to deal with diversity monitoring in media & related industries:
https://creativediversitynetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/CDN_Diamond_25Feb.pdf
here is one interesting snippet, in case people weren’t aware of how pathetic, racist, and non-diverse this country is [tongue in cheek…!]: “those who identify as female, transgender, BAME and lesbian, gay or bisexual (LGB) are all represented at levels comparable with (or above) national population estimates…”

111475 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to richard riewer, 2, #580 of 1157 🔗

Kerr Starmer -Establishment gopher through and through.

111277 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 25, #581 of 1157 🔗

I was out delivering Chinese takeaways last night, we’ve been open since the beginning of May, and about 95% of people I deliver to now act completely normal at the door (we are cash only). There are a few households that treat me like a bio-hazard, possible because of a vulnerable family member or through ignorance…

One house I deliver to weekly (a young family) pays me with exact money left in an envelope on the window sill, and I leave the food on the door step before ringing the door bell and leaving. But yesterday, the front door opened, I was met with a smile by the Mrs and she (unfortunately) accepted change – so one more nut cracked…

I only have one other customer, again a young couple with very young kids, who I deliver to every week but have not seen since we reopened, money is in an envelope under the mat and I leave the food, knock, and leave. I think they need the c19 cure mentioned in here a couple of days ago – no TV (or social media) for 90 days.

I was the only customer nappy free in Sainsburys and the bank this morning, and there were lots more muzzled walking in the town centre – so a bit disappointing. I overheard an old lady on the next counter at the bank complain to the bank clerk that she couldn’t breath in the mask (I also heard her year of birth – 1930). I explained to her that having breathing difficulties made her exempt and gave her an exemption card I had in my pocket – although I am sure she will feel obliged to continue suffocating herself by Hancock’s evil incompetence. (I carry a card in case of Dibble interest – I don’t look exempt)

111286 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Major Panic, 14, #582 of 1157 🔗

That’s a good idea to carry some extra exemption cards to give to those who don’t know they can claim it (ie everyone).

111754 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Major Panic, 1, #583 of 1157 🔗

Carrying exemption cards with us is a great thing to do to give out to people when you get talking to them.

111283 Lms23, 5, #584 of 1157 🔗

https://www.bitchute.com/video/d1mbZzP63D5i/

Bit Chute video by “Politico” on the dangers of face masks, ie the drop in available oxygen.

It was on YouTube last night, but has been removed….

Linked video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ciHa3-0-kBc
FIREFIGHTER ENDS MASK DEBATE ONCE AND FOR ALL

111284 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #585 of 1157 🔗

“People think the Welsh Government has handled coronavirus way better than Boris Johnson”

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/people-think-welsh-government-handled-18856875

111285 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #586 of 1157 🔗

(Bangs head against wall in frustration)….

111298 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mr Dee, 6, #587 of 1157 🔗

Some of the travel restrictions were absurder than England’s, but at least they are resisting masks in shops

111450 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mr Dee, #588 of 1157 🔗

Hang on a minute, all the respondents are called Drakeford…

111287 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #589 of 1157 🔗

Doctors & Nurses Being GAGGED & Struck Off – Has To Stop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9Zfw45DjVs

Alex Belfield – THE VOICE OF REASON
106K subscribers

This is so worrying! We have to fight for free speech. Such worrying times!

111294 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #590 of 1157 🔗

Those who protest about free speech normally are unfortunately completely silent on this because – they have either completely fallen for the government propaganda / or are perhaps receiving a financial incentive to stay silent. Most people sadly don’t care about free speech if they disagree with the persons opinion.

Covid-19 has another symptom to add to the long list – a loss of free speech and civil liberties.

111288 PastImperfect, #591 of 1157 🔗
111292 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #592 of 1157 🔗

Are you aware of the horrors in America? – Trump supporter being murdered in the streets by BLM – BLM call a group of white women KKK racists – Democrats supporting 3 months of vioence in US cities. People being force to make BLM salutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhs_CZuPGdY&t=12s

Sky News Australia
576K subscribers

111318 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #593 of 1157 🔗

worth a watch … impressive stuff.. oh for a news report like that in this country

111321 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #594 of 1157 🔗

I get a more robust update every day from youtuber Salty Cracker

111296 Julian, replying to Julian, 9, #595 of 1157 🔗

Official position of the Royal College of Nursing on whether they would support mandatory vaccinations for coronavirus:

“At this time there is no vaccine for the Corona virus and until such a time when one has been developed and we evidence based around it we are not able to give you our position.”

111302 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Julian, 10, #596 of 1157 🔗

Well they’d better start thinking about it! The document linked to here yesterday has the plan pretty well laid out, and frontline healthcare workers will be first in line for the rushed-to-market, unlicensed vaccine. Out of interest, there have been a few court cases here in Ontario that, thankfully, have set a good precedent. Our hospitals have tried to force nurses to get flu vaccines and have always lost these cases. Then they tried forcing any nurse who refuses a flu vaccine to wear a mask during flu season and they lost those cases as well. Apparently a few years ago there was no evidence to support the use of masks in a healthcare setting as a means of halting the spread of the flu virus. But we all know that, all of a sudden, there’s a “growing body of evidence” that contradicts decades of proper science on the uselessness of face masks.

111311 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 13, #597 of 1157 🔗

I’d like to hope also that mandatory vaccines is a line that can’t be crossed but so many other lines have been crossed already in the name of this plague that I have no faith in that at all.

111341 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Achilles, 7, #598 of 1157 🔗

My MP refused to rule out voting for such a measure. The ethics committee of the GMC sent me their general guidelines which seemed to rule out anything of the sort, but didn’t answer my question directly (in any case, they can only advise, ditto the RCN).
There are many lines you’d have thought couldn’t be crossed that have been, and the fact it’s being talked about openly suggests it’s possible.
More likely is a de facto mandatory vaccine whereby you have access to very little unless you agree to have one (work, travel, education, healthcare).

111461 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Achilles, 1, #599 of 1157 🔗

Maybe they won’t make it mandatory because they know that plenty of the muzzled masses will willingly line up for hours in order to be injected with an unknown poison………

111317 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 6, #600 of 1157 🔗

Same here Lisa, a great many medics refuse flu vaccines despite coming under a deal of pressure.
It will be interesting to see what levels of compulsion and resistance each side adopts.

111303 court, replying to court, 46, #601 of 1157 🔗

Eldest starts reception primary school next Monday. The welcome pack states they’re going to be staggering entry times.

Of course because her surname begins with W she doesn’t start till 0900. How can anyone who works for a living work with that?

I just emailed the school to say that I will be dropping her at the regular time and thanks for their understanding as a fait accompli. It will be interesting to see what they say as I can be very hard work!

111304 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to court, 8, #602 of 1157 🔗

Stick to your guns!

111351 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to court, 6, #603 of 1157 🔗

Court. Are you female perchance? Actually what I’m trying to say is are you my wife?… Er, is that you dear?… 😉

111307 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 8, #604 of 1157 🔗

I’ve had the range of responses with our (third) baby, due in a couple of weeks. The first scan was in the “before time”, so I was allowed in under relatively normal circumstances. But then I too was not permitted to attend the 20-week scan, back in April. Finally, I was allowed to the final scan a couple of weeks ago, albeit masked up. I feel sorry for the first-time dad going through that experience, though.

111339 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to mattghg, 7, #605 of 1157 🔗

Been there, done that, well done, it wears off.

Enjoy the moment as all too soon they grow up and go their own way.

Please, please teach them right from wrong, to be an individual, take social media as a joke, do not become overprotective or a helicopter parent and just let them make their own mistakes and learn for themselves the hard way and just be ready as a safe pair of hands to catch them if they need it ready to let them fly again afterwards.

They are not your children, they are only on loan to you.

111348 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Awkward Git, #606 of 1157 🔗

Great comment Awkward, that’s my mentality towards our kids too, it’s hard to do sometimes especially because we are often swimming against the tide of opinion very often but it’s the right thing to do. Good luck Matthew, I hope all goes well for you you. Regards, Arnie.

111371 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Awkward Git, #607 of 1157 🔗

What wears off?

111443 ▶▶▶▶ Marie R, replying to mattghg, 1, #608 of 1157 🔗

I’m assuming he means the thrill of seeing the scan!

111446 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to mattghg, #609 of 1157 🔗

The joys of parenting perhaps?..

111469 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to mattghg, #610 of 1157 🔗

Of realising they re not “yours”.

111946 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, #611 of 1157 🔗

The noise, expense, and mess gets worse and worse every year.

Until they leave home …

111312 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #612 of 1157 🔗

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.28.20180463v1
Population-based seroprevalence of SARS-CoV-2 is more than halfway through the herd immunity threshold in the State of Maranhao, Brazil “The infection fatality rate was 0.17%, higher for males and advanced age groups. The ratio of estimated infections to reported cases was 22.2. Interpretation: To the best of our knowledge, the seroprevalence of SARS-CoV-2 estimated in this population-based survey was the highest and the closest to the herd immunity threshold reported to date. Our results suggest that the herd immunity threshold is not as low as 20%, but at least higher than or equal to around 40%. The infection fatality rate was one of the lowest reported so far, and the proportion of asymptomatic cases was low.”

111319 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to swedenborg, #613 of 1157 🔗

Will the ‘herd immunity threshold” not be different in different parts of the world? (As low as 20% some places and up to 40% in others)

111537 ▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to Major Panic, 1, #614 of 1157 🔗

Whilst it’s basically an “educated guess” and hasn’t actually been research (though apparently Michael Levitt agrees) there have been suggestions that many “pacific rim” countries have a particularly high degree of natural cross-immunity. Most (all?) of these have had very low Covid death rates.

https://twitter.com/gummibear737/status/1298246346974154757

This includes Australia and NZ (mostly due to tourism from Asian countries) making their zero-tolerance policies even more misguided if this theory turns out to be true.

111606 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Major Panic, 1, #615 of 1157 🔗

Yes. But you also have to be very careful about comparing seroprevalence studies between different places. They’re looking for different antibodies with different thresholds at different points in time relative to the epidemic and all these things affect the results by quite a bit.

The actual HIT is probably about 50% but different ways of measuring it underestimate (or overestimate) the prevalence differently.

111313 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 13, #616 of 1157 🔗

Jeremy Vine seems to be turning.
I came halfway into an item about the Hastings School saying it will exclude pupils for Malicious Coughing and telling Covid jokes.
Mr Po Face was all about it’s for the children’s safety, laying boundaries, other students may have lost family to Covid so jokes were inappropriate. .

On comes feisty woman.
“Kids have always used humour to deal with stress and after all we’ve put them through with this lockdown who are you to start policing their thoughts!,?

“Kids have got more chance of getting struck by lightning than of getting Covid.”

At this point I expected Jeremy to cut her off but instead he let her rant on even making a couple of supportive interventions.

Po Face got the final slot and used it to backtrack and deny everything he had previously said.

111354 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 7, #617 of 1157 🔗

Jeremy Vine seems to be turning…Into a human being with just a little more mental capacity than an Aubergine?

111332 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Drummerman, 4, #619 of 1157 🔗

School I went to we’d be coughing all over each other before the doors opened in front of the teachers just to get a day off let alone 2 weeks!

111336 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #620 of 1157 🔗

LOL – rules rules rules – where do they find these ‘a rule for everything’ idiots – less kids would be coughed on without that rule bringing the idea to their attention…

111419 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Drummerman, 3, #621 of 1157 🔗

I’ve just coughed on my kids ‘cos I don’t want them going back to school. Ungrateful sods didn’t even say thank you! Kids of today eh?…

111437 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Arnie, 1, #622 of 1157 🔗

that cough you think you just gave them – they gave you a couple of weeks ago….

111445 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Major Panic, 2, #623 of 1157 🔗

Oh no my immunity ran out a couple of days ago a politician told me so it must be right…

111441 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Drummerman, 2, #624 of 1157 🔗

What’s the betting that the definition of ‘inappropriate comments’ that pupils can be sanctioned for making about the virus (mentioned in the article) will include any *truth telling*, saying ‘it’s all a load of cr*p’, ‘masks don’t help’, etc…!!!

111335 mrjoeaverage, replying to mrjoeaverage, 10, #625 of 1157 🔗

Hi everyone,
I would just like to start by saying I have not been into conspiracies generally in the past.
But, something sent to be quite some ago was this from the WHO website:

https://apps.who.int/gpmb/assets/annual_report/GPMB_Annual_Report_English.pdf

Was this ever discussed here?

It could be absolutely nothing, and I do not really have any conspiracy to go with it, but three things stood out for me as follows:

1) It mentions on page 39 “The United Nations (including WHO) conducts at least two systemwide training and simulation exercises, including one covering the deliberate release of a lethal respiratory pathogen.” Is this a suggestion that they are going to simulate an event, or actually create an event? Or is this a load of nothing?!
2) I find it interesting that the report says they are working towards an end date of September 2020. It does feel like the tide is turning slightly.
3) It mentions that the countries involved will be the G7, G20 and G77 Member States. One thought occurs that I do not believe Sweden is a member of these organisations.

This could just be nothing, a storm in a tea cup……but, it just all seems a little odd.

Anyway, keep up the excellent work Toby. Your website is like my daily cup of coffee, and a step back into the world of normality!!

111343 ▶▶ Kate, replying to mrjoeaverage, 7, #626 of 1157 🔗

I looked into virology a few years ago, and realised with shock just what was going on in the biosecurity labs. As a result I assumed that coronavirus caused such an overreaction because governments knew it was a lab release – I assumed an accidental one – but could not admit as much to the population (because all the developed world governments are carrying out these activities.)
Governments do have to prepare for biosecurity threats, however they occur.

111456 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Kate, #627 of 1157 🔗

Bill Bailey (yes the comedian, but he knows a lot about animals) is convinced it was a lowly paid researcher selling Pangolins from the lab in the local market as they’re so valuable. Makes sense.

111545 ▶▶▶▶ Kate, replying to kf99, 1, #628 of 1157 🔗

Pangolin coronaviruses are only 88% identical to covid19. So it has not jumped from a wild species.

The Wuhan lab has been researching bat coronaviruses since at least 2008. They isolated a form in bats that used the ace2 receptor (which is common in human cells especially in the lungs)and grew it in human epithelial airway tissue cells. This meant that a bat virus would over time adapt to human cells and become more infectious, even without the need for genetic manipulation.

In labs, viruses are grown in tissue cultures made from species that are not native to the host species, so they all adapt to their new environment to some extent (Xenotropism)

The Wuhan coronaviruses are much closer to Covid19 than the pangolin virus.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-virus-researchers-uncover-evidence-implying-covid-19-was-created-in-a-lab

111876 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Kate, #629 of 1157 🔗

There is a good book,Spillover, Animal infections and the next human pandemic, by David Quammen full of this stuff.

111950 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Kate, #630 of 1157 🔗

Stop bio testing.

111345 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to mrjoeaverage, 1, #631 of 1157 🔗

I think that’s Event 201. Can’t understand how many nation states have messed things up given how much preparation has gone into prevention scenarios

111350 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to crimsonpirate, #632 of 1157 🔗

I think event 201 was something else – it was a conference, not an actual ‘simulation’ as referred to in the document above.

111425 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Carrie, 1, #633 of 1157 🔗

Event 201 was a simulation. If you watch Plandemic you’ll see the simulation juxtaposed against what is actually happening and it’s eerily similar.

111438 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #634 of 1157 🔗

Event 201 was the SCRIPT, a BLUEPRINT for the global roll out of The Corona Project.

111394 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to mrjoeaverage, 1, #635 of 1157 🔗

Mentioned quite a few times over the past 5 months.

Frightening isn’t it?

111398 ▶▶ Bobblybob, replying to mrjoeaverage, 1, #636 of 1157 🔗

Point 3), neither are Belarus or Tanzania and they didn’t lockdown either. Japan didn’t, but they’re in the G20…

111358 tallandbald, replying to tallandbald, 72, #637 of 1157 🔗

Wahoo…My daughters school has confirmed muzzles are optional and won’t be enforced. Kids are banned, yes banned from wearing them in classes and also banned from approaching teachers wearing them.
There is sanity out there.

111360 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to tallandbald, 7, #638 of 1157 🔗

and then you woke up…

(kidding… great news!)

111364 ▶▶▶ tallandbald, replying to Major Panic, 12, #639 of 1157 🔗

No, it’s real. I keep reading the email to make sure.

111366 ▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to tallandbald, 9, #640 of 1157 🔗

Double WooHoo then – I wrote to my eldest’s headmaster vehemently objecting (with reasoned logic) to children having to wear masks at school and I just received confirmation that masks are entirely optional.

The only sour point was that it was made clear the school will be following government guidelines with regards to mask wearing … but I guess we’re safe as those guidelines never change, right?

Cheers
Dave

111383 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to tallandbald, 18, #641 of 1157 🔗

My kids primary school is being run like a prison and my elder kid at college has no restrictions. It’s completely the opposite of what I had expected!

I’ve written to the primary school asking for the FULL details of the risk assessments undertaken so that I can check the legality and factual correctness of what they have undertaken. That’s how I’ve written it to them so there’s no possibility of being misunderstood.

I see that the BBC have an article just released (sorry can’t find the link!) saying that the kids will have much less resistance to infection because of lockdown.

I don’t wish my children to be ill ever obviously, but if they do get ill and I can pin it on mask wearing or any of the other stupid rules then I will throw the book at them.

111493 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Arnie, 11, #642 of 1157 🔗

As my daughter’s generalist paediatrician said to me, what we have done to children in lockdown has never been done to children, ever. The consequences, for their immune systems, of this isolation are actually quite frightening.

111508 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Will, 6, #643 of 1157 🔗

Psychological damage likely at least as bad, if not worse…

111396 ▶▶ RickH, replying to tallandbald, 3, #644 of 1157 🔗

A small glimmer of the light of intelligence.

111432 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to tallandbald, 7, #645 of 1157 🔗

I just talked to a bloke with a 5yr old daughter who is back in school Tomorrow, no masks, not too many mental rules. Phew.

111528 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Two-Six, 5, #646 of 1157 🔗

I was sent a parent pack and a child pack from my daughter’s primary school today.

The child pack started with this:

It’s lovely to see you all back at school but no doubt things will look and be a little different here for a while.

We’ve put this pack together to explain to you some of the new rules.

Do you know why we are having new rules at school? Yes, that’s right it’s because of coronavirus. This means we have to work extra hard to keep ourselves and everyone else healthy.

If you follow these rules it will help make sure we can’t spread the coronavirus at school.

We know things will be tough, they will be strange, you might not get to see all your friends and do all the things you used to do in school but it’s really important that we see you back here and use this time to see how things are going to be for a while.

Some videos and stories to help learn about social distancing as children will need to distance from staff, where possible.

Followed by 8 solid pages of rules in a large, child-friendly font.

I’m going to have a word with her that not all she will learn at school this term is necessarily true, and to speak with me in case anything teachers or other children say confuses or frightens her. She’s already a Covid-sceptic – not yet experienced the madness of Covid-hysteria. I feel so sorry for her, and her peers, having to go through all this bullshit for no rational reason.

Parents’ pack is also 8 pages long, but with a smaller font.

Includes this:

Display of Symptoms in School

  • Any employees, learners or parents/carers who are feeling unwell/displaying Covid-19 symptoms must not attend/visit school.
  • Any child that has a temperature will be sent home immediately.  Temperatures will be taken upon arrival, we suggest that parents take temperatures before leaving the house to avoid an unnecessary journey.
  • If anyone becomes unwell when in school they must leave school as soon as is practical and follow self-isolation guidelines.
  • School will report any suspected incidence of Covid-19 symptoms to LA and Public Health Wales.
  • Those showing symptoms should be kept separate until they can be collected and taken home. Ideally this will be in a separate room, supervised at a distance of two metres.
  • Anyone displaying symptoms should stay at home for ten days.
  • Anyone who lives with someone displaying symptoms but remains well should stay at home for 14 days from the day the first person became ill.
  • No learner with symptoms should be sent to school at all. lt  is vital that parents/carers act accordingly.
  • For the vast majority of learners, Covid-19 is a mild illness. Learners who have been classed as shielding due to pre-existing medical conditions have been advised to undertake specific ‘shielding’ measures. These learners have serious underlying health conditions which put them at very high risk of severe illness from Covid-19 and are advised to rigorously follow shielding measures in order to keep themselves safe. We do not expect these learners to attend schools or settings at this time, and they should continue to be supported at home as much as possible.
  • Once someone suspected, confirmed or with symptoms has been identified, all areas where this person has been must be identified and kept clear. A deep clean of the area will be arranged.
  • Part of our response to any infection will be to engage with the Test, Trace, Protect strategy.

Recipe for utter disaster in the coming Winter months, if you ask me.

Sniffle, sniffle – UNCLEAN!!!!!

Prepare for another Lockdown, folks, or periods of enforced self-isolation, if these sort of rules are in place everywhere.

111618 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mr Dee, #647 of 1157 🔗

So the kids can now say they feel unwell and BING! 2 weeks of school. This isn’t going to be abused is it?
Oh yes, isolating the entire family will really work out well to won’t it.

111631 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Mr Dee, #648 of 1157 🔗

what is a learner? is that what they call pupils now?
“for the vast majority of learners, Covid is a mild illness”.. That is wrong .. for the vast majority covid either is non existent or asymptomatic. for very few “learners” is it any sort of illness.
I am sure a 5 year old who has a temperature or sneezes is probably going to be traumatised by the action taken against them here. Maybe they can be given the school bell to ring.

111683 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mr Dee, #649 of 1157 🔗

That point about engaging with the ‘test, trace, protect strategy’ – does that mean enforced tests at school, followed by pupils being taken into ‘protection’?

And what does ‘ use this time to see how things are going to be for a while’ mean?? Are they part of an experiment to see how long the government can keep all this going?

111453 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to tallandbald, #650 of 1157 🔗

Great 🙂 Whereabouts in the country are you, roughly? (you don’t need to say exactly but a region would be helpful!)

111463 ▶▶▶ tallandbald, replying to Carrie, #651 of 1157 🔗

Staffordshire…. 🙂

111532 ▶▶ Drawde927, replying to tallandbald, 3, #652 of 1157 🔗

That’s amazing to hear, if there are people in positions of authority willing to take a stand like this (optional masks are one thing, but outright banning them definitely shows some backbone) maybe there is some hope.

111363 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #653 of 1157 🔗

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/7ACD87D8FD2237285EB667BB28DCC6E9/S1935789320002980a.pdf/public_health_lessons_learned_from_biases_in_coronavirus_mortality_overestimation.pdf

“Public health lessons learned from biases in coronavirus mortality overestimation”
One of the most fateful information to the US Congress in March was the probability that C-19 was 10 times deadlier than flu. This was contrary to an NEJM article in Feb which stated that “C-19 the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%).”However that was a mistake as the WHO had seasonal flu IFR at 0.1% But the congress was informed the adjusted mortality rate from coronavirus of 1% was then compared with the 0.1% mortality rate from seasonal influenza(IFR), and the conclusion was reported to the House Committee that the coronavirus was ten-times more lethal than seasonal. I think informing the congress that C-19 was 10 times deadlier than seasonal  flu was important from a psychological perspective. Ten times deadlier. Have they been informed that the CFR for swine flu was in the same range as C-19 and perhaps that C-19 was 4 times deadlier than seasonal flu (comparing IFR) or C-19 the same as Asiatic flu 1957 or twice as Hong Kong flu perhaps they would not so easily accepted the lockdown.

111382 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to swedenborg, 2, #654 of 1157 🔗

That reminds me of a question I was going to raise; has anyone heard whether there has been any checks on the genetics of SARS-Cov2 to see if it has changed at all? I think the original SARS mutated itself of the scene? There was some talk about a different variant of SARS-Cov2 in Singapore? and the guy in Hong-Kong who supposedly got reinfected had a different strain the second time around but I have not seen much detail on this?

111393 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #655 of 1157 🔗

Hi Steve, I do know that the original virus was detected in 2004. It did 5,000 years of evolution in 15 years before it made its escape in 2019.

Interestingly there was a level 4 biological warfare laboratory nearby that was/is run by that Fauci chap in America. The site develops ‘gain of function’ (GOF) in corona type virii.

That’s all fact as far as I can tell. There are many on here far more knowledgeable than me so hopefully they will jump in give you more data.

111572 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Steve Martindale, #656 of 1157 🔗

Yes I think I posted about this earlier today. If you search the comments for D614G it should come up.

As for SARS1 it had a similar mutation to the “382 nucleotide deletion” early in its life.

111367 Hopeful, replying to Hopeful, 16, #657 of 1157 🔗

GP surgeries closed. NHS to be ashamed of but wait, just got a text inviting me for a flu jab. Shove it up yer…not in me!

111378 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Hopeful, 8, #658 of 1157 🔗

Never! Not going near me with that stuff now.

111433 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Arnie, 6, #659 of 1157 🔗

That, of course, is a major problem. Once trust is undermined to this extent, everything becomes suspect.

This bunch of Spivs has a lot to answer for.

111603 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Hopeful, 1, #660 of 1157 🔗

Mine are barely agreeing to see anyone at the moment, including a friend’s 2-year-old with a persistent rash, but they still managed to invite me to attend a “free” health check, which – guess what – they get paid to carry out. And they had the nerve to assure me that attending the surgery was “safe” because they have so much bollox in place. In which case, why can’t they let genuinely sick people in too?

Needless to say, I won’t be taking them up on their kind offer.

111368 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 13, #661 of 1157 🔗

My husband has received a letter from our GP reminding him to book his annual flu jab. He’s never had one, in fact he has only seen the doctor once in 15 years LOL!

111416 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #662 of 1157 🔗

I’m sure that’s how he stays healthy! No flu shot and stay away from the doctor if you can. That’s my strategy as well.

111451 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 3, #663 of 1157 🔗

He is incredibly healthy and no worries about the flu jab he’s as determined as me to avoid the NHS and their vaccines.

111460 ▶▶▶ Ross Hendry, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 2, #664 of 1157 🔗

Mine too. Taking responsibility for your own health begins with avoiding the doctor whenever you can (except in extremis). Doctors would welcome this too I’m sure (though they are always too keen for everyone to get the annual jab).

111369 polistra, replying to polistra, 7, #665 of 1157 🔗

Those graphs are EXCELLENT. But this shouldn’t have been a surprise or a discovery. Flu viruses always work this way. Viruses kill the people who are ready to be killed by the “last straw”, then they continue circulating and developing immunity without doing any serious harm. After the killable people are dead, there’s no more death. The graphs show this old predictable pattern beautifully.

111395 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to polistra, #666 of 1157 🔗

I think the data shows exactly this, but I don’t know if it is medically valid. Do you have any references for it?

111422 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to polistra, #667 of 1157 🔗

succinctly put

111372 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 11, #668 of 1157 🔗

I’ve just been listening to Handy Cock taking questions in parliament – he comes accross to me as a pawn in somebody else’s game – a useful idiot – I think he will be chucked under the bus as a sacrifice to the scapegoat god

111377 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Major Panic, 8, #669 of 1157 🔗

That’d be great, sort of a positive snuff video. It’d get massive views on YouTube…

111380 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Major Panic, 2, #670 of 1157 🔗

Great! I can’t wait!

111388 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Major Panic, 4, #671 of 1157 🔗

The ministers who survive quickly learn that the game is to learn to read out the civil service briefing authentically. There just isn’t time with all those media appearances to understand the stuff as well.

111399 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to WhyNow, 3, #672 of 1157 🔗

”There just isn’t time with all those media appearances to understand the stuff as well.”

whether there is or is not time – there is certainly no ability to understand stuff

111428 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, 1, #673 of 1157 🔗

Yes – it is indeed the ‘ability’ thing.

You just have to put in the effort and learn to filter/block obfuscation etc.

… i.e. be intelligent.

If you can’t – then f.off and do something else. Nobody will miss you.

111473 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RickH, #674 of 1157 🔗

interesting obfuscation

111389 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Major Panic, 3, #675 of 1157 🔗

I agree, he is a useful idiot – like Johnson, Williamson and several others.

111454 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #676 of 1157 🔗

And all those willingly wearing muzzles inside and out, even in glorious sunshine!

111392 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Major Panic, 4, #677 of 1157 🔗

There’ll be stiff competition for who will be driving the bus. Maybe we can take it in turns.

111408 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #678 of 1157 🔗

Do I need a licence? Or could I drive the bus illegally?….

111424 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, 1, #679 of 1157 🔗

Just not sure about the ‘useful’ tag. 🙂

111629 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Major Panic, 1, #680 of 1157 🔗

I like reading yet another nickname for our wonderful Secretary for Health.
Of course he will get the blame, maybe not even stand as MP again, as I am sure some Pharma companies would love to give him a superbly paid job!

111736 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Silke David, 1, #681 of 1157 🔗

Hmm, I’m not sure about nicknames. I think I’ll stick with fuckwit…

DavidC

111373 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 38, #682 of 1157 🔗

I’m ex-forces. I suffer from PTSD. It’s horrible but it could always be worse. My NHS psychologist has continued to treat me weekly throughout this fraud, sorry pandemic-fraud. She revealed to me today that the NHS intend to combine the seasonal flu and coronavirus into one operation this winter. She is of the opinion that masks will be with us for many years. I don’t & won’t wear one. I won’t be having a flu jab or any other jab from now on. The NHS, the Government and many others WILL be getting their moneys worth from this crime.
I’m not a conspiracy theory believer but this sure as hell looks like Agenda 21 to me!

111390 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Arnie, 7, #683 of 1157 🔗

Good wishes. Apart from prior conditions such as yours, the panicdemic has pushed a hell of people over the edge.

111404 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to RickH, 13, #684 of 1157 🔗

Thanks Rick. Yep lots of people are going to die. Remember we lost more forces personnel after the Falklands war to suicide than we lost fighting the war.

And that’s just talking about service folk, we’ve got a whole population to worry about and a country on its knees… God help us.

111421 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Arnie, 6, #685 of 1157 🔗

Horribly reminiscent, Arnie, of the greater numbers now being affected by the lock-up than any virus.

111743 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Arnie, #686 of 1157 🔗

There is research that indicates the flu vaccine can have a knock on effect with susceptibility to coronavirus (I don’t have the link unfortunately). Remember that coronaviruses are implicated in respiratory disease (and, quite likely, death) every year. They’re not new!

DavidC

111746 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Arnie, #687 of 1157 🔗

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your service, Arnie. And good on you for weighing things up and coming to your own decision. Something stinks to high heaven about all this.

111756 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Arnie, #688 of 1157 🔗

On the other hand people can fight back, say no and rise up. Sure, some collateral damage, but everything has to be paid for including freedom

111864 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Arnie, #689 of 1157 🔗

All the best and this crisis is a ticking time bomb in terms of mental health and what you’ve said vindicates my decision to call the NHS the No Health Service or the No Hope Service.

111376 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 13, #690 of 1157 🔗

https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/september-2020/liberty-in-lockdown/

Excellent article in The Critic. There’s hope for us yet.

Note the lawyers’ emphasis on the very pertinent and crucial distinction between guidance and enforceable laws.

My mobile hair stylist called today; she’s convinced that a second lockdown will be imposed in October, at least here in Sturgeon land.

111387 ▶▶ RickH, replying to wendyk, 4, #691 of 1157 🔗

Except one sentence :

“Some say this means the Covid epidemic is over”

There was never an epidemic by normal definition :

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/what-does-rcgp-surveillance-tell-us-about-covid-19-in-the-community/

111731 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to RickH, #692 of 1157 🔗

Spot on Rick.

People don’t understand the difference between endemic (always present within a population), epidemic (large numbers of people dying of a specific disease) or pandemic (a disease occurring in a number, or many, countries at the same time). A disease can be pandemic without being epidemic in a specific country.

DavidC

111455 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to wendyk, 5, #693 of 1157 🔗

Good read. I have to admit I’m not really sure which corona-rules are actually Law and which are just guidelines, I suspect most of the public aren’t even aware there is a distinction.

I’m not afraid of the virus, but I am afraid of this government. My employer has already published their “covid-safe” workplace rules, which already include masks in the office. Non-compliance will be a disciplinary offence. For now, we’re allowed to WFH, but I suspect the time will come when we’ll have to either submit to the rules or get fired (or maybe find another job that doesn’t follow the rules).

I can see the writing on the wall regarding mandatory vaccines – again I have no doubt I’ll have to submit to this or ultimately lose my job.

Not sure what else to do at this stage other than contribute to the legal fight – found Simon Dolan’s legal challenge fund here:
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/lockdownlegalchallenge/

111539 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to zacaway, 2, #694 of 1157 🔗

I think that similar choices will face many many people: take a stand or be made redundant.

Most folk, as you rightly say, will have little option but to comply, especially as the recession takes hold.

Simon Dolan’s challenge has been given the go ahead, so some slight hope exists.

My sense, at least up here, is that most people are fully compliant, although I have listened to quite a lot of criticism and frustration in recent days.

111379 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 5, #695 of 1157 🔗

The Unofficial Otley report . I wouldn’t want to steal Harry Hopkins’ thunder!. Lunch at Spoons and the manager was asking everyone if they had filled in T&T details or scanned. I don’t know if this is local or a directive from on high because Spoons never used to push it. Quite a few sat outside muzzled up to go inside. Fish and chip shop opposite had sensible arrangement of door ordering so avoiding the muzzling. Outdoor market open but the fruit and veg stall had all four staff muzzled up-what on earth is that about? Only unmuzzled person in Sainsburys though a few had muzzles exposing noses. Quite a few people were muzzled in the open air and all ages. Good news is that the Old Cock is open.

111465 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to arfurmo, 1, #696 of 1157 🔗

The Spoons in Ealing and Acton last week were pushing the T & T which they weren’t doing before

111784 ▶▶ DThom, replying to arfurmo, #697 of 1157 🔗

I found the same on my visit to Spoons. The lad behind the bar asked if I had filled in the t&t form, I said no as it was voluntary. Next thing the supervisor arrived at our table to point out that it was required by the local council and that they were conducting random visits. Just put Mr Smith and a fictitious phone number.

111400 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 6, #698 of 1157 🔗

My brother was always really clever at interpreting bad rules and laws and using them against the very people trying to implement them.

He always used to say ‘it’s their rules, I’m just using them in ways that that haven’t thought through’ or something like that.

Unintended consequences is if course what he meant.

There must be loads of these unintended consequences that we can use against the rule makers. Any thoughts people? All donations welcome…

111436 ▶▶ matt, replying to Arnie, 16, #699 of 1157 🔗

My favourite little piece of lunacy so far is the fact that mask exemptions include people with a physical illness and people with a respiratory condition.

So if, for example, you’re suffering from a respiratory disease caused by a virus, you are exempt from wearing a mask that is supposed to protect other people from catching it.

111439 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to matt, 2, #700 of 1157 🔗

Great one Matt, thank you.

111412 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 55, #701 of 1157 🔗

Backbencher Sir Edward Leigh says that “young people of working age who are fit know there is very little chance of them becoming seriously ill of this thing”.

“On behalf of older people”, he says, “older people don’t want to be patronised, they’re very well aware of their own health needs.”

He adds: “The man from Whitehall doesn’t know best, especially as he changes his mind every two minutes.

“So can we get back to being a proper Conservative government and trusting the people.”

111426 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to JohnB, 10, #702 of 1157 🔗

Sensible words. We just need sensible actions too now.

111481 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Arnie, 6, #703 of 1157 🔗

We need more MPs coming out with the same thing.

111444 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to JohnB, 4, #704 of 1157 🔗

Was that today?

111447 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Carrie, 2, #705 of 1157 🔗
111415 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #706 of 1157 🔗

https://twitter.com/EdwardLeighMP/status/1300816518712905728?s=19

The only sign of hope during MH’s covid-19 statement so far. The rest of them seem to have swallowed his lunacy hook, line and sinker. Ever more tests are apparently the only option.

111458 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #707 of 1157 🔗

Thanks. Isn’t handicock just a spluttering patronising un-conservative p***k.

111464 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #708 of 1157 🔗

yes

111470 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #709 of 1157 🔗

A few are starting to speak up – Swayne, Brady, Baker. One or two others. It’s a start.

111480 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #710 of 1157 🔗

On the subject of MPs, Matt Le Tissier has posted a letter on Twitter that he has sent to his MP regarding the extension of the coronavirus act. It’s short and sweet, maybe worth copying?

111499 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Carrie, 2, #711 of 1157 🔗

Awkward Git did a good one yesterday, also Ivor Cummins

111563 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Carrie, 1, #712 of 1157 🔗

I found that a s well as sending it to your MP copy it to his constituency office as well on a separate e-mail.

Good chance they will send it on to him and tell you they have done it.

Works better than just to the numptie nugget MP.

111491 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #713 of 1157 🔗

I just watched Twatt HandyCock splutter and cough through that answer, he really is talking total nonsense. We see in parts of Europe an increase in the virus being passed onto to old people and deaths rising…REALLY???? all the rest of what he said is just bluster bases on nothing more than arrogance. He can bang the table as much as he wants but it doesn’t help not make him sound like somebody who is just 98% bullshit.

111501 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Two-Six, 4, #714 of 1157 🔗

Nonsense, yes. Bullshit, yes. But really these are EVIL LIES.

111504 ▶▶ Drawde927, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #715 of 1157 🔗

I would have said that Hancock’s announcement was one of the most depressing things I’ve heard/read recently, but to be honest it doesn’t surprise me at all, I wasn’t expecting anything different from him or the current government. They will just keep on doubling down until either we get a vaccine or the system breaks, whichever comes first (probably the latter)

The “grandparents can’t hug their grandchildren till then” is downright inhuman and evil, though. A good few of those grandparents may not be around by the time a vaccine is available!

My biggest fear is that people will still just passively accept this and go along with it. Everything now is dependent on people – whether MPs or private individuals – taking a stand against the Government’s policy and official narrative. Parliament returning, and the end of furlough, are things that will hopefully kickstart this (some MPs are already taking a stand).

I think that MH’s “no end to social distancing etc. until there’s a vaccine, which will “hopefully” be “some time next year” will make a lot of people stop and think. It’s all easy to string people along with “just another few weeks”, as our government has been doing for the last 5 months, and people will tolerate it “surely it can’t go on for much longer, things will surely get better soon?”
However, stating outright that this will go on for another 6 months or more, is another matter!
Those of a more sceptical/grounded inclination might be more likely to take a stand rather than grudgingly tolerate things, and the fearful might be inclined to re-evaluate whether the increased risk is really worth the cost.

111506 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Drawde927, 5, #716 of 1157 🔗

We were told the lockdown would only be for 3 weeks, so hopefully people will realise that these timescales are also a complete lie, and might well end up being at least 3 or 4 times longer than stated today, based on past experience…

111677 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Carrie, #717 of 1157 🔗

Maybe it it will hit home when the dark evenings set in, but I fear that netflix and social media will continue to sedate the masses past the point when they clearly recall when life was about more than not dying (of covid)

111530 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Drawde927, 1, #718 of 1157 🔗

“…no end to social distancing etc. until there’s a vaccine…”

Searching on that phrase finds this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52308201

From four and a half months ago!

111535 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #719 of 1157 🔗

Isn’t this ye olde “Make it sound bad, get people’s backs up and then – whip out the magic vaccine – you can hug them if you have this” ploy?

111567 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Drawde927, #720 of 1157 🔗

I do not understand the Grandparents/Grandchildren comment? since June my wife and I have had full contact with our 15 month old twin grandsons, we have stayed with them for weeks to provide childcare assistance, with 15 month old boys you cannot social distance when you are changing nappies. As far as I am aware there was no law preventing us from doing this, did we get this wrong? As far as I was aware, since June, the only law is the one about gatherings of over 30 people.

111667 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Drawde927, #721 of 1157 🔗

Agreed

111418 Steeve, replying to Steeve, #722 of 1157 🔗

What are everyone’s thoughts on The COVID-19 Assembly?

111477 ▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Steeve, #723 of 1157 🔗

Seemed strange you couldn’t actually click ‘join’ or anything…

111489 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steeve, 3, #724 of 1157 🔗

We need a unifying group into which other groups can feed and contribute, IMO a single-issue political party like Brexit or Greens, well-funded (millions) and professionally staffed, to run a campaign to stop this nonsense.

Our message is powerful, but it’s not getting in front of enough people often enough to counteract the rubbish they’ve been fed

111519 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, #725 of 1157 🔗

Yes, and with the 77th brigade at work our task is made more difficult : https://www.wired.co.uk/article/inside-the-77th-brigade-britains-information-warfare-military (interesting article on 77th… I did not know where they were based, nor a lot of the other stuff in this article)

111420 Jane in France, replying to Jane in France, 8, #726 of 1157 🔗

I just read that supermarkets have sold 300 million euros worth of masks since May 4th (just before we were let out) and 14 million’s worth in the single week from 17 – 23 August, presumably when they were made compulsory in so many places. Somebody is doing well out of this farce.

111427 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Jane in France, 3, #727 of 1157 🔗

Chinese?

111430 ▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Steeve, 3, #728 of 1157 🔗

Probably.

111462 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Jane in France, 3, #729 of 1157 🔗

got to do something with all the faulty masks the government bought back in march

111474 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Major Panic, 1, #730 of 1157 🔗

Forgot about that! Container load stolen from Manchester as well!

111557 ▶▶ petgor, replying to Jane in France, #731 of 1157 🔗

Bearing I’m mind how much supermarkets saved by no longer providing plastic bags for free, they should have handed them out free. I heard that in Australia, the shops saved 76 million Australian dollars when the bag provision ceased.

111577 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Jane in France, #732 of 1157 🔗

But of course. The simple one used to cost 7p, now 45p. Mainly Chinese. Massively increased useage in UK NHS.

111600 ▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Jane in France, 2, #733 of 1157 🔗

Reassuring to know they’re made under conditions of strict hygiene.

https://youtu.be/pszmq4SEU90

111671 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Simon Dutton, #734 of 1157 🔗

That’s a great film to send to promaskers!!!

111434 DRW, replying to DRW, 8, #735 of 1157 🔗

I had thought about getting out somewhere until I went past my town shopping centre. It was always a gloomy place but even more now it’s been mutilated with one-way arrows and shop queuing areas despite being fully open-air. Just seeing the compliantly muzzled masses around it stressed me out. Guess I’ll stick to being a shut-in then…

111457 ▶▶ davews, replying to DRW, 5, #736 of 1157 🔗

Just had a lovely day out walking the Thames – Hampton Court to Richmond. Mostly seemed just like normal though 100% masks on the train. Loads of people heading for the palace at Hampton so obviously not put off by the mask requirement but saddened me to see a little girl proudly showing off hers. Later on equally saddened to see an elderly woman in a wheel chair being pushed presumably by her husband along the riverside at Richmond, both heavily masked and presumably finally decided to have a day out in the lovely sunshine but apparently scared to death. Pub lunch in Richmond also almost like normal and although they had arrows on the floor everybody ignored them. Confused when I went to the loo that it seemed to indicate I should exit via the back outside door and come in again at the front. Ignored as everybody else did, the front entrance was exit as well. DRW, don’t stay in, get our and enjoy life.

111551 ▶▶▶ petgor, replying to davews, 2, #737 of 1157 🔗

My next door neighbour admitted to me that she went on a train with mask AND shield.

111555 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to petgor, 9, #738 of 1157 🔗

Was she going jousting?

111559 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to petgor, 2, #739 of 1157 🔗

what a gum shield – good thinking

111637 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, #740 of 1157 🔗

? – me neither

111442 Bella Donna, 1, #741 of 1157 🔗

y

111449 richard riewer, 4, #742 of 1157 🔗

Hitler loved dogs. Especially German Shepherds.

111452 stefarm, 5, #743 of 1157 🔗

https://youtu.be/h8yiTe634sA

Paul Weston – facemask muzzle rebellion

111472 petgor, replying to petgor, 9, #744 of 1157 🔗

I have said it before and I will say it again, when history comes to be written by a future generation, it will be about “the virus that never was”..

111478 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to petgor, 5, #745 of 1157 🔗

and the Great stupidity..

111482 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to petgor, 4, #746 of 1157 🔗

If we get through this.

I hope we do.

111490 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to petgor, -6, #747 of 1157 🔗

So what caused the high mortality rates if it was not “the virus that never was?”

111500 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steeve, 15, #748 of 1157 🔗

What ‘high mortality rate’? is the real question.

We have seen seven instances of higher mortality since 1993, an a major part of 2020 mortality was a result of low infection in the previous year and people 80+ getting a year’s extra life when judged by the norm. In my three-quarters of a century lifespan, I’ve lived through an estimated two dozen worse infection seasons.

The virus ‘was’ – but it wasn’t a big deal by any standards of comparison.

111517 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to RickH, 4, #749 of 1157 🔗

Thanks RickH!

111668 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to RickH, 4, #750 of 1157 🔗

Exactly – here in Sweden the last 2 winters have been very mild, which probably accounts for why we had so many over 90s that died of the virus this year – they may well have died earlier otherwise.

111550 ▶▶▶ petgor, replying to Steeve, 1, #751 of 1157 🔗

Thank you RickH. It’s hard to believe, as is clearly the case with Steeve, that anyone with any sense can truly believe that this madness is for real!

I bet that he only made the comment out if sheer devilment.

111556 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Steeve, 4, #752 of 1157 🔗

heart attacks, cancer, generally fcuked due to being around too long, etc….

111581 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Steeve, 8, #753 of 1157 🔗

Merely the act of closing the hospital wards thereby halting the medical treatment of old people, would have resulted in higher ‘mortality’. No virus needed.

Ironically, a country that was really good at keeping old people alive would temporarily appear to have a much higher ‘mortality rate’ than a country that didn’t bother, if medical treatment was curtailed artificially and simultaneously for all patients.

111589 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steeve, 13, #754 of 1157 🔗

I’ll have a stab at this.

If you place hospital patients on DNRs due to their age and don’t offer appropriate treatment then the mortality rate can certainly go up.

Then you also move a load of patients who should be in hospital to care homes, once again don’t give them the treatment they require, Doctors don’t attend when required, and also place on DNRs, this is another surefire way of increasing mortality.

Then you also have people at home having strokes, heart attacks, falls, etc too scared to attend hospital then this will increase mortality too.

111786 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steeve, #755 of 1157 🔗

Old age and lockdowns!

111479 Recusant, replying to Recusant, 59, #756 of 1157 🔗

Only fair to report the absolute stonking letter we got from our head teacher :

“The wearing of facemasks is not recommended by the Government for primary aged children. If your child wears a facemask en route to school (it is not compulsory on public transport until aged 11 years and over) please ensure it is removed at the gate and not given to the child to bring into school.”

111498 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Recusant, 5, #757 of 1157 🔗

Good!
This made me laugh a bit though: https://twitter.com/Brie0748/status/1300784067101822978
People making the rules clearly aren’t aware of the swapping of belongings that goes on at primary school 🙂 !

111518 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Recusant, 3, #758 of 1157 🔗

Damnit I wish that was possible, here! Good to see it happening somewhere, anyway.

111549 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Recusant, 7, #759 of 1157 🔗

brilliant – there is a grownup in charge!

111782 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Recusant, 1, #760 of 1157 🔗

Wonderfully sensible head teacher. A rare gem it would seem!

111484 Telpin, replying to Telpin, 9, #761 of 1157 🔗

Am I right in thinking there was an extinction rebellion protest today – a mass gathering comprising more than the permitted 30 people? Does anyone know if anyone was arrested, still less fined £10k? I would support the right to peacefully protest, whatever the cause, but wondering if the same enforcement is being applied to others as has been applied to PCorbyn.

111653 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Telpin, 1, #762 of 1157 🔗

“Does anyone know if anyone was arrested, still less fined £10k?”

  1. Anyone arrested – To my knowledge, no.
  2. Good one. that’s funny!! 🙂
111486 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #763 of 1157 🔗

Bill Gates : Reduce World Population

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfstBe1buaA

111503 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #764 of 1157 🔗

Sick! And he talks about CO2 reduction when he owns and uses a private plane…

111521 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Carrie, #765 of 1157 🔗

Of how must “CO2” has come from the use of his products.

111646 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Carrie, 1, #766 of 1157 🔗

You think that’s bad – Obama talks about the dangers of climate change, especially those rising oceans, yet buys a multi-million dollar property about a foot and a half from the edge of an ocean, presumably sentencing his children to death in about 18 months with the rate those oceans are rising…remember that, next time he calls Donald Trump stupid.

111781 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #767 of 1157 🔗

Another target of zero. He could help by ceasing to breathe.

111817 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #768 of 1157 🔗

Yeah, he tells us to stay home while he jetsets across the globe. Arsehole!

111492 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 12, #769 of 1157 🔗

Prof Carl Heneghan & Tom Jefferson – Spectator – Something rather odd is happening in the two Europeans nations worst hit by Covid-19. The UK and Italy have a rising number of cases but a stable and very low number of deaths, even weeks after the cases started rising again.
At the time of writing, the UK records 1750 new cases daily and one death in a population of 67 million. With a roughly similar population and an average of 602 cases a day , Italy has had just over four deaths a day over the last month. The ratio of cases to deaths is nowhere near what it was at the height of the pandemic. The other notable feature is a shift of cases to a younger population.
There can be several explanations for this trend. First, the viral agent may have mutated to a less virulent form. Although there are some published studies showing minor mutations, these are what you would expect from an RNA virus which is inherently unstable (think of the influenza viruses, which perpetually change their suits).
Second, we may have got better at dealing with Covid-19. Apart from dexamethasone in the small population admitted to intensive care units, there are no specific treatments for the disease, and as we are not observing a substantial increase in admissions or severity of the disease, this seems also an unlikely explanation.
Third, our preventive measures may have worked, only allowing new cases when lapses have occurred. If this were the case we would expect effectiveness against all forms of acute respiratory infections, like the winter illnesses. This has indeed happened in the Southern hemisphere, but the age shift does not fit with this theory.
A fourth possible and much more complex explanation is what we call the ‘reality problem’. There is rapidly accumulating evidence that the tests used worldwide to identify cases in a binary mode ‘Yes or No’ are being used in a simplistic and uncoordinated way. We have already explained the limits of polymerase chain reaction (PCR) to carry out mass testing.

PCR is a very sensitive test, which means that it detects the smallest fragments of the virus it is looking for by amplifying the sample millions of times. However, a fragment is not a whole virus, capable of replication and of infecting other human beings. It is a small part of the viral structure that the PCR primer is looking for, not the whole microorganism. Only whole viruses can infect us.

In addition, the number of amplification cycles necessary to reach a ‘positive test’ is rarely reported. We now know that his is a vital piece of information in interpreting results. A very high number of cycles may detect fragments and give a positive result but a lower number of cycles is far more likely to identify infected and infectious individuals requiring quarantine.
You would expect all of this to be reported in a PCR results but it is not routinely done. There is worse news to come. A very sensitive test is vulnerable to contamination with extraneous genetic material (hence the need for suiting up operators). The rapid expansion of testing capacity may have degraded our capacity for sterility by increasing throughput and straining lab staff training. We also have come across studies looking at the different performance of PCR kits on the same sample and the results are not encouraging, with wide variation in cycle thresholds for the same positive results indicating the absolute requirement to standardised tests worldwide continuously comparing procedures and performance of testing against the only real gold standard for gauging a person’s contagiousness: viral culture.
Evidence is mounting that a good proportion of ‘new’ mild cases and people re-testing positives after quarantine or discharge from hospital are not infectious, but are simply clearing harmless virus particles which their immune system has efficiently dealt with. Those whose immunity is more active are exactly in the age group of observed ‘positives’ and least likely to end with severe disease.
So, we appear to have the reality of viral circulation, probably waning fast and the perceived reality of a misused and simply interpreted genial test which can be used to great effect when viral circulation is far higher (making it more likely a positive test correctly identifies the virus) or in finding traces of bugs which are good at hiding in our bodies, or their fragments in waste waters indicating their presence at some time in the past.

111507 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #770 of 1157 🔗

To put it simply : the flaws in the use of the PCR test make figures derived from it an irrelevant fiction.

111509 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 12, #771 of 1157 🔗

The PCR test is obviously useless. The results it produces are almost meaningless in terms of whether a person is infectious or even ill. The LIE of asymptomatic spread HAS to be put to death. FAST. Its one of the main pillars that prop up the whole Corona Project LIE.

111554 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Two-Six, 5, #772 of 1157 🔗

The PCR test is an extremely useful diagnostic tool and I used it in my work before I retired, but it needs skill, understanding and interpretation. It has been ramped up into a mass production technique, a role to which it is entirely unsuited.
The problem came when the Government went into a tail spin to get higher number of tests when what we should have been doing was focusing on better quality tests used in conjunction with professional clinical assessment and focussed on the vulnerable in our society. The trouble is that getting higher numbers makes the Government look good, getting higher quality does not score political points.

As it happens, if they had focussed on high quality testing to protect the vulnerable we could by now have dropped all the lockdown nonsense for the majority.

111594 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Two-Six, 2, #773 of 1157 🔗

Spot on. I’m afraid it’s not true that :

PCR is a very sensitive test”

… it’s a nonsense test – it was never designed as a diagnostic tool. 

111664 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Two-Six, #774 of 1157 🔗

Problem is when someone really does have Covid and tests positive, because that leads to them trusting the test..

111516 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #775 of 1157 🔗

Unless I am mistaken, is this another way of looking at it? The PCR tests are more realistically and reliably doing what we expected “antibody” tests to do. In other words, they are now, rather than detecting ongoing spread, simply illuminating the spread that has already occurred and giving us a clearer picture of how many people this virus has touched over the past several months.

111542 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to RyanM, 5, #776 of 1157 🔗

Even with a cycle threshold of 40 you would be very unlikely to test positive after 6 months (which is about how long ago the peak was).

If you did we would see positive rates of at least 6%, which is what our antibody tests are giving us, but that’s already a big undercount of the true number who were infected. But we see PCR positive rates of between 0.05% and 0.5%. The ONS never found higher than 0.34% since they started in April. But places that had PCR testing in place during the actual epidemic found positive rates of 20% or even 50% in some places. That gives you an idea of how sharp and high the real peak is, and it was long before we had any significant amount of testing organized in the UK at all.

111569 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to RyanM, #777 of 1157 🔗

The longest so far demonstrated seems to be 83 days. But in amongst hundreds of thousands of tests maybe it could even be longer. Who knows..?

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.25.20162107v2

111527 ▶▶ jrsm, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #778 of 1157 🔗

I think another possible explanation is that our immune systems are stronger in the summer, and therefore while people may get infected, they don’t get sick or as sick.

111547 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to jrsm, 7, #779 of 1157 🔗

Just to be clear there is absolutely no evidence for a lower IFR now than there ever was. We were just never doing this much testing. I don’t believe there is even a real paradox here.

111597 ▶▶▶▶ jrsm, replying to guy153, 2, #780 of 1157 🔗

That may also be the case, I think there was a French aircraft carrier back in April or May where they had about 1000 cases and no one died, so an IFR estimate below 0.1% for that population.

111608 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #781 of 1157 🔗

I put a swab straight out of packaging into the liquid and sent it off. Desperately waiting for the result. If it is positive, can only be lab contamination.

111638 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Silke David, 4, #782 of 1157 🔗

Excellent! Did you film the process ? Could be very useful if it comes back “positive”.

111659 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to DomW, 3, #783 of 1157 🔗

Yes, if you’re going to do this, film it – then show your doctor if it comes back positive. We need to get more doctors questioning the tests…

111495 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #784 of 1157 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvOcyc3jNcA Alan Jones Sky News. Apologies if this has been posted before but only saw it today shared on FB.

111776 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to crimsonpirate, #785 of 1157 🔗

It’s a good one!

111502 ajb97b, replying to ajb97b, 10, #786 of 1157 🔗

This is WRONG: “Up to 90% of People Who Test Positive Not Infectious”The situation is MUCH more extreme than this…

At current prevalence levels, perhaps 800/1000 positives are false positives. Of the remaining 200, up to 90% (i.e., 180) have such a low level of virus that they are not infectious (as the report explains). Of the remaining 20, many (??90%) will have been infected more than 5-9 days earlier, and so will not be infectious any more.

So we’re now down to 4/1000 (0.4%) of positives actually being infectious, and then for only a few days at most once detected.

Yet the rules require all the other 9,996 to quarantine for 14 days, along with several fold more people they may have come into contact with. All for a disease that is less lethal than regular flu for those <65 years old, and which will only kill 0.05% – 0.1% of those actually infected (i.e., 0.004 of the initial 1000 positive PCR tests, or 1/250,000)

No wonder the death stats are not increasing in this “2nd wave” of “PCR positives” that they call “cases” !!!!!

[also see: https://swprs.org/facts-about-covid-19/ ]

111513 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to ajb97b, 13, #787 of 1157 🔗

Intelligent people will avoid that testing at all costs. Why any healthy person would even want to get tested has long boggled my mind.

111523 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to RyanM, 3, #788 of 1157 🔗

Rightly or wrongly it’s a passport to healthcare in the NHS! i.e. eye injection for macular degeneration. No test No treatment!

111525 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Steeve, 5, #789 of 1157 🔗

If you pass the test you still need to wear the MASK!

111655 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Steeve, 2, #790 of 1157 🔗

Yes, true – which makes no sense..

111612 ▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Steeve, 2, #791 of 1157 🔗

Really?! Goodness, I didn’t know that.

111654 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to RyanM, 2, #792 of 1157 🔗

Yes, my mum has been tested about 6 times in the last few months – very time she’s needed any treatment for anything. I believe yesterday’s test may even have been her 7th!
She’s tested negative every time so far – is she human, I ask? Given what I’m reading about what the PCR test looks for!

111813 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steeve, #793 of 1157 🔗

Defund the United Nations while we’re at it. Their Declaration of Human Rights is a tissue of lies.

111524 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to ajb97b, 7, #794 of 1157 🔗

In the UK, median death age 80. Median age of death ‘due’ to Covid-19? 82!

DavidC

111552 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to DavidC, 3, #795 of 1157 🔗

I’d like to see a graph of all deaths by age, pre-Covid, and then a graph of supposed Covid deaths by age. Something tells me they’re exactly the same.

111624 ▶▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #796 of 1157 🔗

I have just posted the data. Can’t post the graph.

111632 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #797 of 1157 🔗

That’s more-or-less correct. David Spiegelhalter blogged on this on Medium under the title How much ‘normal’ risk does Covid represent? Roughly speaking, whatever your chance of dying this year would normally be for your age, the risk of dying of Covid is about the same again..

111628 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to DavidC, 2, #798 of 1157 🔗

soooo… you live longer with covid….

111801 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to DavidC, #799 of 1157 🔗

For 2016-18, UK median age at death for men: 82.5, women 85.9

111538 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to ajb97b, 3, #800 of 1157 🔗

bla bla bla…

here’s an idea, if you’re not well, stay at home, if you are well, get on….
ref…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=76&v=nHqz-Wk3hus&feature=emb_logo
(oh and wash your hands after a visit to the drop zone)

111511 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #801 of 1157 🔗

Now that the science for this virus has been discredited do we now move on to the other reasons for the strange behaviour of politicians ie Control, Cash and Stupidity.

111574 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #802 of 1157 🔗

while ”the science” is a figment of politicians and corrupt (or thick) media – there is actually some good science out there…

111512 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 18, #803 of 1157 🔗

Our short attention spans might save us yet. Anecdotally:

Last weekend, we drove to a city about 1.5 hrs away for an informal baseball tournament. That county is in “phase 3,” I believe. We ate in 2 restaurants. Didn’t wear masks at all in the first one. The second one required masks when you stood up from your seat (totally makes sense, right?) and we sort of half-complied just to be nice. Masks on all the staff.

Nobody at the tournament wore masks. No “distancing,” either. Pretty much baseball as usual. I went to 2 stores while we were there and didn’t wear a mask in either one. Probably about 25% compliance in the first and 75% in the second. But nobody said a word.

I also got an email from a friend who used to do a monthly poker night. It’s starting back up this Friday. No word about covid or safety or anything else… just poker as usual. Getting back to normal.

My summary. As I’ve said for quite some time: once the legal restrictions and mandates are lifted, I’ll give it maybe a week before our behavior reverts back to normal. I am not hopeful that the restrictions will be lifted quickly (the school situation in the US is insane . Toby’s post about masks made me laugh, because most schools here aren’t even open, and the ones that are open have ridiculous requirements, including full masking – they don’t get to take them off at all! – and kids all the way down to 5 years old), but I am fairly confident that there will be no “new normal.”

Also – looking at headlines. I am not seeing nearly as much about covid. The dedicated “covid watch” sections have pretty much disappeared. There are still articles, but they are grasping at straws and don’t seem to generate much interest anymore. Panic maybe sells, but this “boy” seems to have been crying wolf for 7 straight months and the townspeople are starting to get wise to it.

111514 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RyanM, 1, #804 of 1157 🔗

But the legal restrictions won’t be lifted

111522 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to Julian, 4, #805 of 1157 🔗

What legal restrictions Julian? All I’ve seen are rules, regulations and guidance. None of that is law. I’m happy to be put right if I’m wrong though.

DavidC

111611 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to DavidC, 2, #806 of 1157 🔗

One example, on social distancing:
‘Unlike in England, guidance is mandatory in Wales

Wales has for some time now, in contrast to the non-compulsory guidance in England, made 2 metre social distancing a mandatory legal requirement. This remains the case and controllers of premises used to carry on a business or provide a service are required to ensure persons numbers admitted to premises are restricted to make it possible to maintain a 2 metre distance’.
Laworfiction website is good for help on this sort of distinction, and other legal issues.
AFAIK there is law, mostly in Statutory Instruments apart from the Coronavirus Act, and guidance, set out on the gov.uk website, which has no legal force and cannot be enforced by way of penalties. That’s it.
AG has also written extensively on other law on health and safety issues.

111609 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Julian, 7, #807 of 1157 🔗

That’s just it. In the US, all of the legal restrictions are executive orders based on declarations of “states of emergency.” At some point, that is no longer justifiable, even at a stretch (it was never justifiable to begin with). Once those states of emergency expire, the executive orders all disappear. Governors can push for new laws, but that will be a challenge when Covid is gone and people are fed up. Republican states will let their emergencies expire, and will all go back to normal. At some point, the citizens of democrat-run states will get restless. I keep saying that this is like a row of dominoes. None of these democrat governors have any backbone.

Additionally, if the media ever decides that the crisis is over, it will be over. They are already setting themselves up for this. The easiest way will simply be to declare that the PCR testing is unreliable and that we should only base our decisions on hospitalizations and deaths… overnight, the casedemic will be over and they will declare victory. Even if the media simply moves on to the next big thing (our election), it will be over. Without the ongoing panic, governors cannot justify their emergency orders, and this whole thing will crumble.

111648 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to RyanM, 1, #808 of 1157 🔗

But the Patriot Act is still on the statute books, is it not?

111534 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to RyanM, 13, #809 of 1157 🔗

if the media stop peddling shit then things will naturally evolve back to normality

111582 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, 4, #810 of 1157 🔗

A massive”‘IF”.

Why would scum choose to not continue to float ?

111808 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Major Panic, 2, #811 of 1157 🔗

I do think the tide is turning. My strong impression at the moment is that most people (not all, but most) are straining at the edges of the new normal and just need to be given permission to go back to actual normal. It’s compliance, not fear. The question “When does it end? What is the endgame?” prompts almost everyone to own up to what a load of rubbish they think it is.

Now, the question is: can the government recognise the national mood quickly enough to ‘give permission’ for people to go back to normal before mass disobedience takes hold? In some ways, violent disobedience will be preferable – a short, explosive event that creates change could leave civil society scarred but intact. Protracted and widespread silent civil disobedience leaves a society that will struggle to get back to the point where the law is respected and people follow it through habit.

111811 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to matt, #812 of 1157 🔗

Good questions to ask people, but if you follow it up with ‘well, what should we do about it then?’, people do not seem to want to actually *fight* for our right to return to normal..

111847 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Carrie, #813 of 1157 🔗

Most people still assume it will be over anytime now. “How does it end” gets them thinking. People will start pushing back – soon – when they realise that this is for the long haul and it can’t be justified.

111531 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 21, #814 of 1157 🔗

Walk in park this afternoon. It was busy. Not a muzzle in sight, everything completely normal, including non-extreme-distanced queuing for the ice cream van that for some reason has only sold tubs, not cones, throughout the summer. More mockdown rubbish for landfill. 🙁

We’re officially still in local mockdown but there was a group of closely-distanced oldies togged out in shorts, hiking boots and walking poles who I’m pretty sure weren’t in the same “bubble” and had clearly enjoyed an afternoon’s ramble together.

Friend phoned when I got back. She’s at the end of her mockdown tether and had tales of hitherto compliant relatives who have started to angrily defy the arbitrary and unfair mockdown rules.

Maybe Wankock has finally pushed it too far …….

111544 ▶▶ tonys, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #815 of 1157 🔗

Our ‘lockdown’ in Calderdale ends tomorrow as well at least I presume we are in one of the areas now deemed ‘safe’ I haven’t looked to be honest. I don’t actually know anyone who took the slightest notice this time thankfully, we are just trying to get on with our lives without taking any more of this bullshit.

111564 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to tonys, 9, #816 of 1157 🔗

Just been to Tod Wethy’s this aft. Girl on bar asked “Did you fill in T&T?”, I lied: “Yeah, on the way in”. “Great”, she said. That was it.

111748 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #817 of 1157 🔗

That’s good.
Last time I went to my favourite cafe, I just ignored the book provided for T&T (which probably contravenes data protection laws anyway). I assume that so long as the proprietor goes through the motions, they’ve fulfilled their obligation to the Stazi. Customers are entitled to refuse anyway.

111750 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #818 of 1157 🔗

I just refuse. That works well.

111880 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Two-Six, #819 of 1157 🔗

Me too, but Wethy’s in my region are pushing it more, mostly because of the shadow of Burnham. And don’t forget, a pub can simply refuse service without reason – at least that’s how it used to be.

111543 dpj, replying to dpj, 8, #820 of 1157 🔗

This women needs sectioned, completely lost the plot now. As a resident of Glasgow from midnight tonight if I want to meet a friend I can’t go to their home or invite them to mine but I can meet them in a pub or restaurant?????
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-53989021

111558 ▶▶ ikaraki, replying to dpj, 3, #821 of 1157 🔗

Yes, she does. It will be okay though, she won’t survive this, Glasgow will remember.

111560 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to dpj, 6, #822 of 1157 🔗

We have a similar thing. You must read the rules carefully and make sure you understand them. So that you can ignore them.

111561 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to dpj, 2, #823 of 1157 🔗

The longest suicide note in history

111562 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to dpj, 1, #824 of 1157 🔗

What reasons does she give for doing that?

111565 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #825 of 1157 🔗

The usual – too many false positive tests in Glasgow in last couple of days 🤦



111570 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to dpj, 1, #826 of 1157 🔗

But you can go everywhere else?? Makes no sense so people should start ignoring her until she goes.

111578 ▶▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #827 of 1157 🔗

Yes, this is new rules, make no sense

What are the restrictions? From midnight tonight, people in Glasgow, East Renfrewshire and West Dunbartonshire:

  • must not host people from other households in your home and do no visit some else’s home. The only exception, apart from emergencies, is extended households.
  • The whole household of a person who is identified as close contact linked to the cluster should self-isolate for 14 days
  • Visiting care homes will be restricted to outdoor visits only and hospitals will be essential visitors only
111587 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to dpj, 3, #828 of 1157 🔗

Its mind blowing that we have so many idiot politicians in one country.

111644 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to dpj, 1, #829 of 1157 🔗

By ‘extended households’ do they mean any channel dinghy people or their ilk?

111568 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to dpj, 3, #830 of 1157 🔗

Fucking crank

111579 ▶▶ Hammer Onats, replying to dpj, 6, #831 of 1157 🔗

Yet there are still fucking cretins posting “thanks for looking after us Nicola” on her Twitter feed!

111591 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to dpj, 2, #832 of 1157 🔗

Did I see a post earlier, someone predicting Scotland locked down from October???

111623 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to stefarm, #833 of 1157 🔗

no one is ill, no one is dying – scary….. go hide

111727 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to dpj, #834 of 1157 🔗

Welcome to the wacky world of local mockdowns.

111806 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to dpj, 1, #835 of 1157 🔗

Muddled brain.

111571 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 14, #836 of 1157 🔗

The Fat Stalinist Controller bumbling his way along as PM said this today:

‘People are going back to the office in huge numbers across our country and quite right too…’

Total BS.

1st anecdotal data point. At my wife’s work (a large retailer), they’ve been trying for weeks to get all the senior management (i.e. high paid) back into the head office to set an example. The bedwetters amongst them have been lobbying hard to allow them to continue to work from home. They genuinely believe that going back into the office equals a death sentence. The business has backed down. Working from home p/t will continue. No doubt soon to be f/t as any concessions granted are never enough for the mob.

2nd anecdotal data point. I passed the local station car park today. The station is 1+ hours from London and the car park (circa 200+ car capacity) and is normally rammed on a work day. I counted no more than 12 cars today.

Economic/societal meltdown in progress …

The UK Politburo must be so proud of what they’ve achieved in the name of collectivism and international socialism.

111576 ▶▶ tonys, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 7, #837 of 1157 🔗

Anyone who has ever managed people ‘WFH’ will know getting them to come back in to the office Is like pulling teeth.

111680 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to tonys, #838 of 1157 🔗

Replace them is the solution.

111700 ▶▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to KBuchanan, 9, #839 of 1157 🔗

Don’t forget that some won’t go back because their employer insists on mask wearing etc…..

111583 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 11, #840 of 1157 🔗

This statement may as well have come straight out of the late Eastern Bloc communist era government announcements manual. A ludicrous lie, demonstrably not happening to even the most obtuse citizen. Yet it is true because the state says it is.

I am reminded of a quote from the final episode of the Chernobyl TV series:

Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid.

111586 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Richard O, 1, #841 of 1157 🔗

Love that quote!

111614 ▶▶ ikaraki, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #842 of 1157 🔗

I know all about the first point! I’m put in the ‘firing line’ of retail while higher ups think the sky is falling on their heeds as they hide in the head office. Judging by the times emails have been sent it appears some may be working from home still.

Question the company line on all this at your peril..

111616 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 6, #843 of 1157 🔗

I think people who want to continue to wfh are getting too much criticism. A lot of companies still aren’t allowing workers back in and the ones that are have turned the offices into covid safe monstrosities. It would be utterly depressing to go back in with current ridiculous “health and safety” bullshit in place. People were forced to wfh by companies who over reacted, they shouldn’t be forced to feel bad for not going back in. I’m sure the majority would go back in if offices were back to normal.

111626 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Hubes, 4, #844 of 1157 🔗

A good point. I would also have sympathy for anyone whose kids’ school is imposing ridiculous Covid rules, wants to keep their kids at home and is able to do so by continuing to work from home themselves..

111758 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Carrie, 1, #845 of 1157 🔗

Doubt anyone trying to work from home will do anything but breathe a huge sigh of relief when their kids go back to school!

111672 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 4, #846 of 1157 🔗

Of course people aren’t going back to the physical office, why on earth would they? Most office jobs can be done perfectly well remotely nowadays, so in London and SE where people can save £3-6000 per annual season ticket, and their employers may save bigly on rentals, no one wants to resume working the old way. Johnson and Cabinet are wetting themselves about it on behalf of a powerful group of offshore tax haven property magnates. Although they will dress it up as all about coffee shops and small businesses in the City, it isn’t. I see no reason to prop up inflated City office rents just because a UK pension fund has a lot of money tied up in it. They can use their capital more productively elsewhere .

111761 ▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Bruno, 1, #847 of 1157 🔗

The problem is that is all of our pension funds. They almost all invest in the same stuff including property.

111768 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to DressageRider, 2, #848 of 1157 🔗

Indeed. They will lose value temporarily. But there is nothing but benefit in deflating the insane level of property values and rents in central London, freeing up the capital tied up there for more productive investment elsewhere.

111800 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #849 of 1157 🔗

Comrade Stalin would be proud.

111573 tonys, replying to tonys, 13, #850 of 1157 🔗

What happened to the reduction in social distancing to one metre? It seems to have been generally ignored by most public bodies, shops etc, is it part of a general reluctance to let go of the restraints that hold us down?

111575 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to tonys, 6, #851 of 1157 🔗

Sylvia Plath wrote: ‘Every woman adores a fascist.’ It seems that a lot of people in our society positively enjoy having their rights and responsibilities taken away by the state.

111588 ▶▶▶ tonys, replying to Alethea, 1, #852 of 1157 🔗

Probably like the uniforms..

111804 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Alethea, #853 of 1157 🔗

I, however, really, really don’t.

What is wrong with people?!

111593 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to tonys, #854 of 1157 🔗

The idiots replace the 2m rule with face nappies.

111645 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Two-Six, 1, #855 of 1157 🔗

When 1m+ was introduced you could stay 1m apart if you wore a mask… I agree, they have totally forgotten about 1m+, it seems to be 2m plus masks now.

111718 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to tonys, 1, #856 of 1157 🔗

I’ve been wondering that. I think it was officially 1m + face nappy but the 2m + face nappy seems to have become the norm for many, unfortunately.

111845 ▶▶ Bob, replying to tonys, 2, #857 of 1157 🔗

It’s not law, that why. Best way is to simply ignor everything the government say. Treat it all as total horse shit.

http://www.laworfiction.com/2020/07/lockdown-laws-in-england-have-been-revoked/

111580 RickH, 8, #858 of 1157 🔗

Just watching a programme on the ‘Agricultural Student of the Year’.

The item on one contestant focused on NW Mull – with footage of the area that I’ve known for almost 50 years – but couldn’t get to this year because of the venal stupidity of the evil Siamese twins of Mr Toad and The Wee Krankie.

I don’t know for how many more years I will be able to get to that part of life.

But I do know that – venal or simply stupid, the Evil Twins should never be excused.

111595 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Kate, #860 of 1157 🔗

so… what is actually going on with his voice? Does he have some health condition?

111598 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to RyanM, #861 of 1157 🔗

A Stammer/speech impediment

111601 ▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Dan Clarke, #862 of 1157 🔗

It sounded more like a vocal chord issue, though, no?

111605 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kate, replying to RyanM, 3, #863 of 1157 🔗

He has spasmodic dysphonia. I think another Kennedy relative has it, though he did say in an interview that it developed after a flu vaccination.

111617 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Kate, 1, #864 of 1157 🔗

Interesting. If this cv nonsense tells us one thing, it should be a stark reminder that post hoc ergo propter hoc is a fallacy for a good reason (i.e. if you get vaccines, anything you develop will have developed “following a vaccination.”) But who knows.

111639 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kate, replying to RyanM, 2, #865 of 1157 🔗

He did not make a fuss about his condition, though for him it must be extremely disabling as he needs to influence people through speaking. However he is the most inspiring speaker I have heard for decades. It is a bit emotional as I remember the Kennedys and I am surprised at how similar he is to his father.

111649 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Kate, 1, #866 of 1157 🔗

Also about the vaccine issue, when I heard him interviewed Kennedy did not make a fuss about how he developed dysphonia, but it is one of the listed side effects apparently of that vaccine

111843 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Kate, 1, #867 of 1157 🔗

Here here. JFK (and his brother) I think were before their time, their world vision made them enemies, imo, Though nowadays obviously not quite the same political force, the family name still brings quite an impact, and for this reason I do admire RFK Jr – he really sticks his neck out sometimes.

111973 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RyanM, #868 of 1157 🔗

The guys who, quite likely reluctantly, list it as a possible side effect of the vaccine ?

111635 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Kate, 1, #869 of 1157 🔗

It’s sad, because it does actually make him quite hard to listen to, although after a while you get more used to it. It sounds like he is in pain, though, and it’s difficult to focus and listen to someone when you think they’re suffering..

111819 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Carrie, #870 of 1157 🔗

I’ve heard him speak many times and he always references his condition and says it’ll get better as he talks, and it does. He is hard to listen to at the beginning but it does become easier for him and for listeners.

111585 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 14, #871 of 1157 🔗

Had an afternoon out in Derbyshire, driving through Matlock & Bakewell, was surprised by the number of people walking around in masks.

Walking around Monsal Dale was fine, did not notice any masks in use or people jumping out of the path of others, at the end of the walk went to buy an ice cream cone from the van at Monsal Head. Whilst Mrs Doubting was paying, a car drove past with to blokes both wearing surgical style masks! Obviously the Peak District fresh air is poison.

Driving home we needed fuel so pulled into a Shell filling station near Sheffield, I filled up, Mrs Doubting went to pay. Well the person behind the till (who was masked) was in panic, Mrs Doubting described his as reacting like the Mr Jones character in Dads Army, don’t panic don’t panic, whilst panicking, Mrs Doubting assured the till operator that she has a condition which prevents her from covering her face, “you should have told me before entering the shop” what was he going to do make Mrs Doubting wait outside until he donned his full hazmat gear?

Weirdest reaction so far.

111592 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dave #KBF, 5, #872 of 1157 🔗

Quite a few people wearing face-nappies just outside in general today. Crazy fools.

111599 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Dave #KBF, 8, #873 of 1157 🔗

These morons are actually convinced that EVERYONE else has it, aren’t they? Snivelling, pathetic, selfish, monkey-brained idiots, ruled by their primeval instincts. I would love to understand how some people can be utterly ruled by their animal reactions.

111713 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #874 of 1157 🔗

People are irrational when they are afraid and HMG has gone to great pains to terrify them relentessly for the last 6 months.

111590 AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #875 of 1157 🔗

Bristol airport is miserable, we are living under tyranny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muVuQ3Yxth4

111596 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #876 of 1157 🔗

Johnson and Sturgeon are doing a good job, if their intention was to ruin the country

111604 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #877 of 1157 🔗

Mission accomplished already. And we ain’t seen nothin’ yet!

111615 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #878 of 1157 🔗

but they are doing their ‘good job’ with the full suport of the stupid public

111602 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 10, #879 of 1157 🔗

Apparently there are 497 different PCR tests being used.
And now Prof. Drosten from the Robert Koch Institut in Berlin, who is supposedly the “inventor ” of the Sars-2 PCR test. himself is critical of the test and the politicians interpretation of the results.
He strongly recommends to not duplicate the test too often, as this produces definitely false positives . He also says the lab should look at the individuals’ virus load and declare a low load as “negative” . Therefor the person and their contacts do not need to isolate for 2 weeks.
My thinking is that they finally say this as the big companies are putting pressure onto them to reassure people to go to work and shop.
MSM in German speaking countries are finally getting their head around it, surprisingly the BILD newspaper (German “The Sun”) has published some critical articles and on their news channel.

111610 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Silke David, 7, #880 of 1157 🔗

what! – you mean it all a load of bollocks!!! who knew….

111886 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Silke David, #881 of 1157 🔗

I think Drosten has always said this.

111613 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 12, #882 of 1157 🔗

I have graphed the ONS statistics for mortality, but can’t post it here.
The 85+ age group proportion of all deaths in the first 33 weeks of the year i.e up to now:
2018: 40.6%
2019: 39.4%
2020: 40.45%
and April 2020 at peak Covid: 39.59%

A higher proportion of the 85+ age group have died in 2020. In 2019 it was 9% of this age group. In 2020 it is 10.9%.

The argument is that it would have been far worse without the lockdown. But 91% had a pre-existing condition mentioned on the death certificate, and for 25% it was dementia or alzheimer’s. Even in the 85+ age group, the virus would run out of terminally ill people to finish off.

The fact that the age distribution is so unchanged indicates that Covid adds an “imminence” factor to the terminally ill. It is the proximate cause, but not the reason. This means the QALYs achieved by spending £300 billion to reduce transmission are nearly nil.

111621 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to WhyNow, 2, #883 of 1157 🔗

Good figures to quote in letters to MPs – I doubt any have looked at deaths from this point of view..

111619 BobT, replying to BobT, 7, #884 of 1157 🔗

I, like other contributors here, have been feeling stressed out over the last few months. I assumed that it was to do with my personal freedoms being taken away and especially being imprisoned in my home.
I now realise that it was to do with being imprisoned in my home WITH CHILDREN. Now the little shi…erm angels have gone back to school I am feeling much better.

111656 ▶▶ IanE, replying to BobT, 1, #885 of 1157 🔗

If you can’t bear them, why did you get your wife/significant other to bear them, then?

111842 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to IanE, #886 of 1157 🔗

Well, I can’t speak for BobT, but in my case I was only following orders and it definitely wasn’t my idea.

111744 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to BobT, #887 of 1157 🔗

yep… you’re normal..

111745 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to BobT, #888 of 1157 🔗

Bet wifie feels the same. Now, to get you back to the office … 😉

111812 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to BobT, 1, #889 of 1157 🔗

Bob, we can love our kids and still not want to be with them 24/7. While I’ve had much to complain about during this bullshit, the one thing I’ve been thankful for is that my kids are grown! If I had to homeschool them and be with them for months on end without a break, my mental health would have deteriorated even more than it has.

111620 Telpin, replying to Telpin, 12, #890 of 1157 🔗

Fantastically articulate mum ( Belinda) on talk radio right now ( 7.20 pm) speaking out against face masks in schools. Making the excellent point that we should not be normalising them and that developmentally damaging

111633 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Telpin, 3, #891 of 1157 🔗

TalkRADIO generally seems to be allowing common sense to be spoken by presenters, guests & callers.

111643 ▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #892 of 1157 🔗

They do. Some really excellent presenters. Kevin O’Sullivan who was interviewing her, and he is spot on. LBC sadly have lost their way a bit on this, although Andrew Castle is decent.

111716 ▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Chris Hume, #893 of 1157 🔗

As a former LBC listener I have to agree.

111778 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Dave #KBF, #894 of 1157 🔗

Another former LBC listener who has defected to Talk Radio.

111640 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to Telpin, 3, #895 of 1157 🔗

She has 4 children of varying ages and therefore her view carries some weight. As well as being v articulate she also came across as normal. Presenter very much on side too – chipping in with corona phobia point.

111622 Basics, replying to Basics, 14, #896 of 1157 🔗

Another to boycott.
Evans Cycles.
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/they-bullied-us-edinburgh-dad-18859515

‘They bullied us’ – Edinburgh dad and toddler ‘kicked out’ of Evans Cycles for not wearing a mask
Jim Martinez, and his three year old daughter were thrown out of the shop despite both being exempt from wearing a face covering

Support local independents not social rngineering chain stores. No one will miss anything if Evans wasn’t there. Much better exists in other shops.

111625 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Basics, #897 of 1157 🔗

Noted!

111627 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #898 of 1157 🔗

Note to self. Boycott edinburghl8ve for headlines like this:

“Edinburgh corona conspiracy theorist storms out of cashless Starbucks with panini”

111652 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Basics, 3, #899 of 1157 🔗

Surely that is against anti-discrimination law!?

111699 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to IanE, 3, #900 of 1157 🔗

Maybe time for a lawyer’s letter threatening to take them to court using anti-discrimination legislation?

111774 ▶▶ Snarly, replying to Basics, #901 of 1157 🔗

Evil comments at the foot of the article.

111636 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 7, #902 of 1157 🔗

That’s Glasgow and some surrounding areas been told by St Nicola that they aren’t allowed to visit other people’s homes or have visitors. It’s still absolutely fine to visit restaurants, pubs, bingo halls, gyms and any other place where you are likely to come into contact with larger groups though. Apparently this clever virus only transmits between those who have the audacity to see family and friends at home. Who’d have known. With that level of insight, I should ask Nicola Sturgeon for this week’s euro millions numbers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53989021

111657 ▶▶ Jane in France, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 4, #903 of 1157 🔗

Are these people actually ill? Are they in hospital? If not, where have they been tested? Are there lots of testing centres in Scotland? If people have a cold or a temperature are they advised to get tested? Is it perhaps a case of “freshers’ flu?” I really would like to know.

111666 ▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to Jane in France, 4, #904 of 1157 🔗

Mentally ill maybe, if they are going to get tested voluntarily whilst feeling fine and having no symptoms of anything.

111674 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hubes, #905 of 1157 🔗

That’s the only sensible explanation!

111662 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #906 of 1157 🔗

So easy to ignore this though isn’t it, as I’m sure all sane people have throughout this debacle. I haven’t read the Scottish law but the English one said you couldn’t visit somebody else’s home blah blah. But then listed reasons why you could. You could to provide emergency assistance. I’ve got no idea what that means, apart from it means anybody can still visit anybody and just say it was to provide emergency assistance. It’s all a load of unenforceable bollocks, just like mask wearing.

111741 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 4, #907 of 1157 🔗

the Glaswegians I know don’t give a fcuk….

111647 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 3, #908 of 1157 🔗

Excellent again, thank you Toby Young.

Is there a way we can get Professor Ramesh Thakur in front of a prominent and influential lockdown zealot. I would love to understand why / how they would consider Professor Thakur’s assessment to be wrong.

What is it that he (and we all on this site) are missing that is so obvious to lockdown zealots?

111872 ▶▶ matt, replying to NappyFace, 1, #909 of 1157 🔗

The word is monomania. Epidemiologists in the west have waited their whole lives for this and they’ve never felt more important or valuable. As long as the public is prepared to swallow the crap, why would they ever stop?

111650 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 4, #910 of 1157 🔗

Click this link:

https://www.nationalreview.com/

Notice anything? Not a single article on that main page about CV19. NR is hardly representative of the entire country, but to me, that shouts the following: “Covid: A nation loses interest.”

Lets hope this keeps up.

111717 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RyanM, 2, #911 of 1157 🔗

Loses interest or accepts the new normal?

111658 janis pennance, replying to janis pennance, #912 of 1157 🔗

I sent the template letter kindly provided by “Awkward Git” to my MP . He kindly replied today …it all depends on the “R” number apparently

Here is his reply in full
Thank you for your email regarding the coronavirus emergency measures.

The Government and I am committed to ending the current pandemic in the safest possible manner, and I support the measures under the Coronavirus Act 2020 which reinforce and expediate this process. It is important to note that the powers granted to the Government under the Coronavirus Act 2020 are made under and subject to the restrictions of the Control of Disease Act 1984.

The Coronavirus Act 2020, a time limited, emergency act, is designed to significantly enhance our ability to respond effectively. The Act will increase the available health and social care workforce, ease the burden on frontline staff, contain and slow the spread of Covid-19 by reducing unnecessary social contacts, help manage the deceased with dignity and respect, and support individuals financially and with access to basic provisions.

I appreciate that many are keen for the Coronavirus Act 2020 to end and for regular parliamentary business to continue. I do believe that the measures that have been introduced under the act have all prioritised protecting and supporting the public and preventing the spread of the COVID-19 virus.

As you have said, in September/October the House will vote on whether we should keep the provisions of the Coronavirus Act 2020 in force. My vote will be influenced by the state of affairs and this countries R-value at the time.

Once again, thank you for your email.

Kind regards,

Kieran

Dr Kieran Mullan MP
Member of Parliament for Crewe and Nantwich

111689 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to janis pennance, 4, #913 of 1157 🔗

Perhaps you could ask him to explain what the R number means and why he thinks it so important?

111733 ▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Yawnyaman, #914 of 1157 🔗

Done , lets hope it’s not meaningless drivel

111803 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to janis pennance, 4, #915 of 1157 🔗

It will be. I asked our regional chief medical officer how far below ZERO cases would satisfy him enough to not continue renewing the mask mandate. The cut-and-paste garbage I got was I’m just following the WHO, CDC, etc. recommendations, yada, yada, yada. Apparently zero cases is not enough, and people wonder why I’m a conspiracy realist??? We’ve had no deaths in this county and no more than 10 or so active cases at any one time. Most days it’s zero. Oh, he also says the science is settled. These unelected morons will be the death of me.

111695 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to janis pennance, 4, #916 of 1157 🔗

Oooh the R number eh? Well that shows he know what he is talking about doesn’t it? Perhaps get him to try to explain to you exactly what the R number relates to, it’s significance and how it is arrived at.

Isn’t it a totally meaningless parametric? In that you can’t accurately measure it as there is no patient zero and we have no idea how many people have got it in any meaningful way?

So what does the R number mean to him 1.1 and we need to lockdown or .95 and we dont need to worry. Isn’t it the case that the R number will stay at 1 for ever?

111721 ▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Two-Six, 1, #917 of 1157 🔗

I will ask him in my reply

111706 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to janis pennance, 1, #918 of 1157 🔗

I see he has a doctor title – is he a medical doctor?

111720 ▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Carrie, 1, #919 of 1157 🔗

He was , I did some routine questioning of him regarding vaccines … my conclusion was he knows nowt ! He just thinks we should all have them “for the greater good” yes that old chestnut .

111730 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to janis pennance, #920 of 1157 🔗

Is he a young guy? He sounds a lot like the brainwashed GP I talked to recently.
Actually: https://www.drkieranmullan.org.uk/

He looks like a penis in a shit suit

111742 ▶▶▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Two-Six, #921 of 1157 🔗

Yes and appears to simply spew medical dogma , didn’t answer any of my questions on vaccines ( well researched I might add) and when I suggested I would like to question him further face to face , he agreed but said I would never change his mind . Eeeeee don’t you just love an open mind

111791 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to janis pennance, 1, #922 of 1157 🔗

Congratulations you got an answer.

111798 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to janis pennance, #923 of 1157 🔗

And also “this countries”?!

Can’t do basic grammar either. Dimwit.

111660 RyanM, 3, #924 of 1157 🔗

And here is a copy and paste of two headlines from the Wall Street Journal:

New York City Delays School Reopening New York City will postpone the start of in-person learning in schools by more than a week, Mayor Bill de Blasio said, after the teachers union threatened a strike over safety concerns. 29 minutes ago

New U.S. Cases Slow to Lowest in Over Two Months

111663 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #925 of 1157 🔗

https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/1300864031234940929?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

In preparation for winter, we’re expanding A&Es, allocating billions more funding to the NHS & retaining the Nightingale hospitals to ensure the NHS is fully prepared. We also have record numbers of nurses in the NHS & record numbers of doctors & nurses going into training.

111665 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #926 of 1157 🔗

That’s a lot of Dr.s and Nurses. Maybe with their free time, they can treat some of your cancer patients. Too much to ask?

111703 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to RyanM, 1, #927 of 1157 🔗

Hancock’s wearing blinders now.

111687 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #928 of 1157 🔗

no words…..

111704 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #929 of 1157 🔗

Are they just trying to financially ruin the country?

111737 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Cheezilla, #930 of 1157 🔗

yeah but… I’m worried about cancer…

111979 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cheezilla, #931 of 1157 🔗

Keeping on the Nightingale hospitals is actually not a bad idea. There are so many bastards that need arresting over this, that we could quickly run out of prison space.
The nightingales would be really useful and well equipped for this purpose. They can all be nasally swabbed every morning, before being re masked and led back to their cells, with Piers Morgan on a screen loop 24 hours a day.

111669 Cheezilla, 2, #932 of 1157 🔗

Start how you mean to go on?

In early 2018, Hancock was the first MP to launch his own smartphone app , [30] which was meant as a social network for him to communicate with his constituents and give people updates in relation to his cabinet role. [31] The head of privacy rights group Big Brother Watch called the app a “fascinating comedy of errors”, [32] after the app was found to collect its users’ photographs, friend details, check-ins, and contact information. [33]

(Wikipedia)

111673 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #933 of 1157 🔗
111694 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #934 of 1157 🔗

How anyone can watch that and not see this is planned is beyond me – and look at the smirk on Melinda’s face as well; they are both enjoying this…

111696 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Carrie, 5, #935 of 1157 🔗

These two should be in jail.

111796 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, 1, #936 of 1157 🔗
111932 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to richard riewer, 1, #937 of 1157 🔗

Go straight to jail, do not pass go and do not collect $300 billion dollars…

And have this truncheon stuffed up your….

111844 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, #938 of 1157 🔗

Positively gleeful!

111710 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #939 of 1157 🔗

I think she is on drugs. If you look at pictures of her from 10 years ago, she is almost unrecognisable – and not just aging – she actually looks like a different person (face is ‘puffy’)?

111735 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #940 of 1157 🔗

Agree – there’s a picture of her and Bill with the children where you’d be hard pushed to think it was the same woman!

Thought adrenochrome was supposed to keep you young-looking?!

111769 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Carrie, #942 of 1157 🔗

She was on CNBC a couple of months ago, interviewed by Sara Eisen. It wasn’t so much the content of the interview that struck me, but her almost uncontrollable hand-waving when she was answering questions. Bill Gates does the same when he is under pressure. But it is almost as if she is copying him. I wonder whether she is ‘going through the motions’, and is struggling to keep it together?

111937 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #943 of 1157 🔗

It does look a bit like that. Bill’s demeanour is pretty erratic. The arm waving is very strange. Really quite crazy. Imagine if you or I did that when we talked to people. The giggling and false stifled smiles and sad faces, inappropriate smiling and laughing. Both of them are pretty un-hinged. They have a lot to hide. Very disingenuous.

111719 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #944 of 1157 🔗

Make sure you watch it right to the very last second, if you’ve not already so.

111734 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #945 of 1157 🔗

Well its a mystery to me how the human race has survived so long without bill gates…

111681 steve, replying to steve, 11, #946 of 1157 🔗

Law suits in the UK are going to to happen soon….the councils are also liable for compensating any business they shit down to “control the spread of a disease!

“ The section of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 states
“The local authority shall compensate a person who has suffered any loss in complying with a request under this section, and section 57(2), (3) and (4) below shall apply to any dispute arising under this subsection.”

https://www.lockdowncompensation.co.uk/

111684 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to steve, 4, #947 of 1157 🔗

Or even shut down, but maybe yours was the right term.!

111724 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to steve, 5, #948 of 1157 🔗

the up n comming litigation will maker ppi look like a practice run.. the lawyers have found their next decade….

111818 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Major Panic, #949 of 1157 🔗

Invest in popcorn. I intend to enjoy my revenge to the full.

111789 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to steve, 3, #950 of 1157 🔗

But only if they use this law and follow the protocols which I have in writing from councils they are not following.

This compensation is why they are using the health and safety at work act instead but this will screw them as allba company/pub/office has to do is say no scientific evidence to justify any jeasures – done, dustedm finisged- as councils have admitted to me in writing they have no evidence from either researsch they havedone themselves or from central government.

Tried to tell companiesand trade bodies this but no-one interested.

111816 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #951 of 1157 🔗

The legal beagles are going to have a field day once the nonsense is over (and it will be over, the wheels are coming off the bus already). There are going to claims and class actions galore. All could have been avoided had they ended the lockdown after three weeks.

No chance of that now. They can’t hide for ever and they know it.

111835 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #952 of 1157 🔗

Can we not be sure that the judges will not support the government? All judges nowadays have to be signed up to the diversity agenda, political correctness, common purpose etc..

111855 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #953 of 1157 🔗

We need to have personal liability for all the politicians, woke advisers and any employer going full Karen.
To stop this happening again, they need to be made personally liable.
( After all they made Piers Corbyn personally liable for voicing his opinions in the open air, so sauce for the goose etc, senior police who choose to target sceptics but leave the woke alone as well)
This abuse of power wil happen repeatedly unless we nopnit in the bud by making them personally liable, i.e. pensions and house can be forfeit.

111838 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to steve, #954 of 1157 🔗

Although I wouldn’t be too quick to use that firm. Lockdowncompensation.co.uk is the domain address of Inubo Trading Ltd whose loan to its only 2 directors exceeds the value of its only investment, in a related Limited Liability Partnership, by £5K. So insolvent. .httpss://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/08378172/filing-history

111686 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 19, #955 of 1157 🔗

My company has distributed a vile new policy document about compulsory temperature checks every time an employee enters company premises. A high temperature will mean a mandatory test (a negative result being required to be allowed to return to work).

I already knew I was never going to return to the office because of mandatory masks, but this seals the deal. I will not allow untrained, non-medical personnel to shoot a laser beam into my brain every time I enter the building.

Corporations are in on this up to their necks. They need to be on trial along with government and media when the time comes.

111691 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, 13, #956 of 1157 🔗

Pity any middle-aged woman who has a hot flush just at the wrong moment..

Can you complain that the person taking your temperature is practising medicine without a licence?

111698 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Carrie, 13, #957 of 1157 🔗

Followed by a series of false positive test results, which will contribute to the bullshit statistics driving further lockdowns. People will be off for months at a time. Completely unworkable, and I would argue unethical to treat your employees with such complete disdain. Entirely expected though.

111697 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Richard O, 7, #958 of 1157 🔗

I am so glad I am unemployable.

111701 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Two-Six, 6, #959 of 1157 🔗

I will be joining you soon. This is the last corporate job I will ever hold.

111707 ▶▶▶▶ ikaraki, replying to Richard O, #960 of 1157 🔗

Good decision!

111714 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Richard O, 14, #961 of 1157 🔗

insist that the temperature be taken anally. they may have second thoughts then

111726 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Richard O, 5, #962 of 1157 🔗

Hope they all rot in hell eventually

111728 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Richard O, 6, #963 of 1157 🔗

If you had a temperature then I very much doubt you’d feel well enough to go into work anyway. More complete over the top drivel from businesses. Absolutely pointless. A lot of companies have been going way OTT with “health and safety” for years.
I bet they are loving this now.

I’d check your contract. I’m sure nowhere does it say that you have to take any mandatory tests to see if you have a respiratory virus before you can go into work.

Like you say though, just continue to wfh.

111738 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Hubes, 5, #964 of 1157 🔗

Little point challenging it, they are in the grip of the Covid cult so all previous contractual obligations are null and void. I will not forgive or forget this.

111834 ▶▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Richard O, 6, #965 of 1157 🔗

It is still employment law that to change your contract 90 days must be given, if over 20 employees, 30 days, if under.

111841 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to smileymiley, #966 of 1157 🔗

Thanks for the heads up, I was not aware of this.

111747 ▶▶ Kate, replying to Richard O, 4, #967 of 1157 🔗

The problem is no-one has the power to do this. It is not a question of justice, but power.

111755 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Kate, 4, #968 of 1157 🔗

Good point. There will be no recourse to the legal system, this is in the pocket of the establishment.

I’ve seen it mentioned on here before, but it seems to me the only viable solution is some kind of breakaway society completely outside the jurisdiction of any existing national or international bodies.

Whilst seemingly next to impossible to accomplish, the alternatives are worse: 1) Lifelong total enslavement or 2) Death. Well maybe 2) won’t seem so bad after another 6-12 months of this shit.

111764 ▶▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Richard O, 2, #969 of 1157 🔗

We are still at the beginning of this “reset” A lot can go wrong for them. Although they are powerful they are also diminished, crippled inside and warped.. Their judgement will be distorted by their own greed and they assume wrongly that they can predict what people will do because they will assume others share their desires and are like them.
I think once people realise what has happened things will start to change. Watch the last part of Kennedy’s speech in the link below.

111771 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Kate, #970 of 1157 🔗

Also, I still think this situation has been forced on the elites by some sort of financial crisis. If you think of what could happen in the US where you have an armed population shortly to loose jobs and probably homes, you would not willingly create something so volatile .

111779 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Kate, 6, #971 of 1157 🔗

The frantic attempts to censor any contrary viewpoint on the big social media platforms does betray a sense of panic. If the leaders were as all-powerful as we sometimes think they are, they would not be employing such tactics. By the same token the fact that they obviously have no moral compass at all means as conditions deteriorate, so will their behaviour.

111788 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Richard O, 1, #972 of 1157 🔗

So I’ve heard that it’s not good to have that infrared thermometer pointed at the forehead where the pineal gland is. The fact that the MSM and “fact” checkers are saying this is nonsense leads me to believe it’s probably true. If you must submit to the temperature check, have the untrained, unlicensed person point it at the inner elbow or wrist.

111790 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #973 of 1157 🔗

I’ve read similar material, very interesting when you consider the role of the pineal gland in our consciousness. My decision is already made, they are just adding further justifications that I am doing exactly the right thing never to go back there.

111854 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #974 of 1157 🔗

I can’t think of a single reason why an infrared beam on your forehead could be a problem. We do, after all, have infrared radiation on our foreheads (and everywhere else not covered up) all the time as part of the normal light spectrum.

111802 ▶▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Kate, 4, #975 of 1157 🔗

Yep. At the risk of sounding a bit over-the-top, I think it is worth pointing out that people have tried taking over the world many times… even if that’s not what’s happening, here (and I don’t believe that there is any sort of organized conspiracy), the reality is that these things often fall apart on their own. As you say, there’s a lot that can go wrong.

And groupthink is an amazingly powerful thing. Once a few skeptics start popping up in the media, it will be amazing how quickly public opinion changes.

111783 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Richard O, 5, #976 of 1157 🔗

Ask to see the calibration certificate and the government/WHO paper that says that a “high” temperature isasymptom of covid.

The WHO has saiditnisxa useless thingbtondo.

111785 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, #977 of 1157 🔗

I mean said it’s a not that jumble.

111795 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Awkward Git, #978 of 1157 🔗

I have always been suspicious of the full-body scanners at airports and the fact they’re likely not calibrated properly. I never submitted to that scan and always insisted on a pat down instead. No unnecessary radiation for me! And no temperature checks either. I frankly don’t like things pointed at my head. At a minimum, insist they check the inner elbow or wrist instead.

111794 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Richard O, 7, #979 of 1157 🔗

What utter bastards. Masks and temperature checks were proposed at my place but resisted. My boss is a sceptic. Hope it will last.

111852 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Richard O, 2, #980 of 1157 🔗

Will they sign a document of liability when they require employees to conform to these rules, i.e. give you a document you can take to Covid claims noted above.

111885 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #981 of 1157 🔗

No consent form has been provided (unlike the mask rules, which I refused to sign anyway).

111873 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Richard O, #982 of 1157 🔗

Who is doing the test? No one takes my temperature unless they have a recognised medical qualification. I’m surprised they accept non medical people doing the check, would have thought there’d be liability issues. Have you asked if they have liability insurance for practising medicine without a licence?

111878 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Thinkaboutit, #983 of 1157 🔗

The staff doing the checks will have basic first aid training at best.

111991 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Richard O, #984 of 1157 🔗

http://www.laworfiction.com/2020/07/time-to-blow-the-whistle-on-shops/
Applies to offices too. Whistleblower protection etc if you were minded to contest it .

111690 Fiat, 5, #985 of 1157 🔗

Feeling low again today. Spock’s Beard on to try and raise my spirits:

“CARRY ON
Through the days and through the nights
CARRY ON
Though you might
Feel your burden drag you down
There’s a way up to be found
When your whole world comes apart
There’s a place for you to start
When the current drags you down
There’s a way up to be found”

111693 Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 5, #986 of 1157 🔗

Hi All, just wanted to know if you’ve had a chance to listen to my podcast ‘Bedwetters’?

If you have can you let me know what you think, if you haven’t give it a try! I’d love to hear from you all, especially after the first few days back in Parliament… who knows we might be getting a democracy back.

Link below. You can subscribe on itunes, Spotify and wherever else you get your podcasts.

👉 https://bedwetters.buzzsprout.com/ 👈 

111725 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 4, #987 of 1157 🔗

I just listened, I really enjoyed it. Good Job! I do like a good podcast. Podcasts are mostly what I listen to normally.

111751 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 3, #988 of 1157 🔗

I have enjoyed all episodes so far. Thank you! Definitely gives me a much-needed laugh as well as some info and insights

111702 ianric, replying to ianric, 23, #989 of 1157 🔗

More questions

1)    If we are in the middle of a genuine pandemic and there was visible evidence a very dangerous disease which was killing people or at least causing severe symptoms was rampant, why is that under the Coronavirus Act, the government had to introduce draconian laws telling people what they could or couldn’t do and force vast number of businesses to close. People could be fined if they broke these laws. If people saw a genuine danger was around, wouldn’t people voluntarily take precautions and draconian laws would be unnecessary. Doesn’t the fact the government had to resort to draconian laws indicate there was clearly no visible threat from a dangerous disease.

2)    How could clothes and electrical shops be classed as non essential shops and forced to close.

3)     If coronavirus is such a deadly disease, why is that the majority of people who have died from coronavirus are elderly, had several other health conditions and it is not certain to what extent coronavirus caused their deaths. As per the link below, even the BBC fear porn propaganda channel admits this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654?intlink_from_url=&amp ;

If coronavirus is so deadly, why is there evidence of death statistics being falsified as per the links below

https://davidicke.com/2020/05/10/unbelievable-downing-street-announces-covid-death-certificates-falsified-david-icke-saying-weeks-weeks/

https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/ under the section orders from above

https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/17/uk-govt-finally-admits-covid-statistics-are-inaccurate/

https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/05/covid-19-is-a-statistical-nonsense

https://davidicke.com/2020/05/29/uk-doctor-ive-signed-death-certificates-covid-19-heres-cant-trust-statistics-number-victims/

4)    If the working age population is being decimated either by workers dying or people becoming temporarily unable to work due to being severely ill, why have seen no impact on the labour force. Why have not seen labour shortages and organizations being unable to function due to lack of workers? Why has there not been a single instance of firms having to recruit extra staff to replace dead workers?

5)    If we are in the middle of a pandemic, why do we constantly hear about empty hospitals. Why were hospitals especially set up to deal with coronavirus patients empty?

111759 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to ianric, 4, #990 of 1157 🔗

All true this is no longer about a virus even if ever was.

111763 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #991 of 1157 🔗

yer

111760 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to ianric, 5, #992 of 1157 🔗

Good questions, unfortunately none of these questions are relevant to why we are under this tranny.
The reason for why we are here today is because of the global reset, the new normal is the objective, carbon zero by 2030, hitting the 17 sustainable development goals of the UN. The global lockdown was the primary objective, a viral “pandemic” is THE CATALYST for massive global social change.

So all of these questions are irrelevant because this is a global business plan and not a medical matter so medical facts are irrelevant. The global SCAMDEMIC is WARFARE.

111933 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Two-Six, #993 of 1157 🔗

And the question is how long it is going to take before people wake up and realise what is happening?

111968 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Carrie, #994 of 1157 🔗

It’s amazing isn’t it? The thing is nobody has any idea about Agenda 2030 and all of this stuff. It’s just too boring to read and too hard to understand and it’s all just too much of a “CONSPIRACY THEORY” so people even if they do get a whiff of it just discount it.

All of this is SECRET information or it is on a “need to know” principle or something. I just don’t understand how more people don’t know about it but then it is all wrapped in corporate language so it passes it’s self of as sort “business practices” or “business training”. There must be a lot of people who get educated in this Communitarian new world system but don’t really understand what it means or where it fits into “the real world”. Perhaps its just a theory to a lot of people.

111833 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ianric, 1, #995 of 1157 🔗

Powerful questions!

111966 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to ianric, #996 of 1157 🔗

Too many questions – off to the Nightingale Covid-re-education hotel for you…

111705 rational actor, replying to rational actor, 12, #997 of 1157 🔗

The fact that woke people attack other progressives with extraordinary viciousness is not surprising. They are policing the boundaries of their kingdom and making an example of anyone who steps off the plantation. Deplorables like me do not really matter, because I don’t care what shitlibs think anyway and will not amend my attitude in any case, but wavering progressives can be scared straight by witnessing the punishment of other, apparently more powerful and well-connected, left-wing believers. A similar form of exemplary bullying is likely to be at work in keeping some of the covid obsessives in line.

111709 ▶▶ Julian, replying to rational actor, 2, #998 of 1157 🔗

Indeed

Similar to the way religious fundamentalists punish apostasy as against those who were never of the faith

111711 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to rational actor, #999 of 1157 🔗

at least there’s one of you…

111963 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to rational actor, #1000 of 1157 🔗

It’s anti-racism class for you – you used the word ‘plantation’.

111708 Tking, replying to Tking, 12, #1001 of 1157 🔗

Interesting video from Alan Jones on Sky News Australia on the Covid madness currently going on over there, https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6186554984001

I wish we could bring him over here, the man talks so much common sense.

111729 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tking, 3, #1002 of 1157 🔗

‘Madness on steroids’ – yes, he got that right!

111740 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tking, 4, #1003 of 1157 🔗

A superb discussion. Hits the nail right on the head. And yes, why are people like that not given air time over here?

111732 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 14, #1004 of 1157 🔗

All this sh*t is delaying tactics until they come up with some sort of vaccine and declare the chaos will be over when you have your vac cert and they hope everyone will be worn down with the mess life has become. They are disgusting

111753 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1005 of 1157 🔗

I really wouldn’t count on it being over with the vaccine. Why would they stop? It’s too easy – power without scrutiny

111762 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Julian, 6, #1006 of 1157 🔗

Agreed. The WHO has already moved the goal posts and said a vaccine alone will not be enough. Our chief medical officer has pretty much said the same.

111928 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 2, #1007 of 1157 🔗

Vaccine is just the beginning.Health and immunity passports next.A little tattoo patch to show you have had all your jabs.A surveillance society which test and trace is preparing us for and 5 g to help run it.They will never willingly give up the power they have over us now.

111766 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #1008 of 1157 🔗

None of the regulations will be relaxed after the now near mythical vaccine is deployed. If anything, they will be intensified by many orders of magnitude.

I agree though that the authorities are trying to find the sweet spot to inflict the maximum level of pain possible without provoking a meaningful rebellion so that the highest percentage of the population as they can hope for will voluntarily take the jab.

111775 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Richard O, 6, #1009 of 1157 🔗

I don’t think a vaccine is the endgame. Would that it were. Power is the endgame.

111780 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Julian, 2, #1010 of 1157 🔗

You are correct, but it is a very significant stepping stone in the accumulation of that power. For me it represents the keys to the temple.

111757 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #1011 of 1157 🔗

N hs Louise Hampton – Nurse Whistle blower – MUST WATCH AND SHARE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu5KQtzBRYU&t=1s

111773 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1012 of 1157 🔗

With the stunning information just released by the CDC about the COVID death count, you might be wondering what to do. Should you be living with more fear or should you be living with a lot more fear? Well in this video, your trusted health authority will be telling you exactly what to think and feel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0y6M-N8wOE

111792 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1013 of 1157 🔗

I didn’t click on that because I thought it would be some mind bending psycho-babble from the CDC, thankfully it was funny.

That is about the only thing that is funny right now. I retract my original statement about absolutely NOTHING being funny any more..

111797 ▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1014 of 1157 🔗

Excellent! Will put on the podcast.

111810 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 2, #1015 of 1157 🔗

Good work on the podcast btw. My kids enjoy it too – just a little bit worried about them going back to school slating bedwetters lol.

111820 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1016 of 1157 🔗

I’m just trying to imagine how your children’s teachers might react if they hear your children calling their classmates ‘bedwetters’ or similar – or if your children start educating their mates, who then start quoting the truth about Covid in class 🙂 Could be fun – Will you get summoned to see the Headteacher?!

111827 ▶▶▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Carrie, 5, #1017 of 1157 🔗

At a baseball game this weekend, I overheard my 8 year old arguing with a teammate… the teammate was claiming that “millions” of kids have died of covid, and mine was saying that kids are not at risk and they aren’t dying of this.

111831 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to RyanM, 2, #1018 of 1157 🔗

Well done your son!

111846 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Carrie, #1019 of 1157 🔗

Have already envisaged this exact scenario playing out. Good for me/my ego. Less so the bin lids’ rapport with the school unfortunately

111861 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1020 of 1157 🔗

Maybe your kids should tell any worried mates that schools have been open in Sweden all year, and only one child under the age of 19 has died – and it is not even certain that the child had Covid…

111777 Arkleston, 9, #1021 of 1157 🔗

My mother had a saying about uniforms, that went something like this:
“The great thing about a uniform is that it answers all questions.”

The same could be said of any government official, worldwide, who has been photographed, smiling, next to Bill Gates.

111787 CT_Hello, replying to CT_Hello, 8, #1022 of 1157 🔗

Interesting to see that the covidclaim.com (and variants) domain names have all been snapped up. This is going to be the PPI claim of the 20s.

Another £50b gov cash will be needed to fund the claims.

No surprise covidclaim.com is owned by a law firm.

111809 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to CT_Hello, 6, #1023 of 1157 🔗

That is interesting. There are some clever people out there, I wish I had thought of buying up some domain names related to covid back in January.

Yes the Public Health Act 1984 is the legislative teeth behind a lot of the guidance and the penalties especially relating to closing down businesses.. Although the councils don’t realise this because they are universally clueless or just totally corrupt. The ones in councils and local government that do understand are keeping quite about it. The fact would seem to be that there is a very valid claim to be made for loss of earnings due to being closed down under this act by your local council.

They are acting totally without any sound legal underpinning. However most businesses aren’t shut down under this legislation are they? They are shut down with meaningless threats and intimidation and the actual law is not applied to them is it?

111859 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1024 of 1157 🔗

Want to buy some popcorn? 😉

111862 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1025 of 1157 🔗

lol

111857 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to CT_Hello, 1, #1026 of 1157 🔗

Once the lies are laid bare – which is coming, and coming faster than most people realise – it’s going to be a lawyers paradise out there. Invest in popcorn. I intend to enjoy this revenge to the full.

111793 Julian, replying to Julian, 20, #1027 of 1157 🔗

I had to laugh this evening. There were some well-meaning mums discussing year-group bubbles at their kids’ schools. Less than 20 yards away, a big group of teenagers and younger kids rough-housing eachother, clearly not from same year group, possibly not even all from same school. No distancing whatsoever.

Masks outside – I think it has a lot to do with shopping. Where I live it’s rare, but we don’t have many shops. I visited a larger town on the weekend with more shops – a lot more people walking in the street masked, on the way from, to or in the middle of shopping. I don’t think many are wearing them to “go for a walk”. Yet. But people are very much used to them, and a lot don’t seem to mind them. They are just getting on with it, because they think they have to. They don’t seem like zealots, just people who want a quiet life.

Chatting to a few people today about coronabollocks, I am more and more convinced there’s a vast constituency of people who are neither zealots not sceptics, just people who have swallowed the lies without thinking much about it, who hope it will end soon, and are living as if it will, but will make the best of it because it has not occurred to them they have a choice or that there is another way. I really don’t think those people will change their views without a nudge, or a shove, but they might with more sustained pressure. But there won’t be a sudden “we’ve been had moment” without intervention.

111814 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Julian, 13, #1028 of 1157 🔗

This seems very true. I have noticed a lot of people who will wear the masks, but then see someone else not wearing one, and will say something like: “oh, do I not have to wear this?” and take it off. Clearly, it has nothing to do with concern about the virus. They see that there is a rule, and they follow the rule.

Once the rules are lifted, the masks will disappear.

111902 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RyanM, 5, #1029 of 1157 🔗

The rules won’t be lifted. Why would they be? Why would the government give themselves all that explaining to do.

I went into a corner shop yesterday, maskless. I haven’t really shopped since this crap started, just the market and online, but I know big shops are full of masked people. The corner shop was busyish, one person only masked, everyone else including the owner without. If people start seeing shops like that, many would follow. But it’s chicken and egg.

111934 ▶▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Julian, 3, #1030 of 1157 🔗

I liken mask compliance to my experience of my school days. When the teacher asked if anyone didn’t understand something I found that most people who didn’t were too scared to put their hand up first. Once my hand went up I’d have no shortage of fellow strugglers but only if I raised my hand first, otherwise no one would fess up.

It’s kinda like a crazy Superhero complex where people are all sat waiting for the man with the underpants over his trousers to save them from Bill Gates !!!

Totally depressing really.

111825 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Julian, #1031 of 1157 🔗

Agrees with my observations. Quite a lot of outdoor masks in shopping streets, very few in parks etc. And I think your assessment of people’s attitudes is correct.
P.S. I am regular contributor Edward, but I’ve now signed up properly to the site. I thought my display name was still Edward but apparently not.

111828 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Julian, 11, #1032 of 1157 🔗

Agree with your last paragraph, Julian. To add a couple of observations. The decline in deaths to almost zero has come much quicker that the government might have wished (probably by six weeks or more), thanks in part to the work of Carl Heneghan and his team in forcing the change in counting. Those low numbers will start to register in the public’s subconscious. There are some mutterings among senior doctors (via Allison Pearson in the Telegraph for example), although I would still like a more coordinated expose of what exactly is/has been going on in hospitals and the lack of treatment for heart, stroke and cancer. Ultimately, though, ‘it’s the economy stupid’ is what makes people take note, and that is coming fast into sight. I still think October is when there is a sudden change in mood.

111837 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #1033 of 1157 🔗

I think they were shooting for November 5th… and yes, the virus fizzled out a bit too early.

111851 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to RyanM, 1, #1034 of 1157 🔗

Exactly!

111856 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to RyanM, 4, #1035 of 1157 🔗

I wonder if Sunak is going to do a “50% of fireworks” voucher scheme to kick start the economy?

111853 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1036 of 1157 🔗

My brother isa cardio surgeon and says he is now pretty much back to normal..

111860 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Yawnyaman, 2, #1037 of 1157 🔗

Where is he in the country – this certainly doesn’t seem to tally with what Allison Pearson has been saying from interviews with medics and letters from members of the public, or indeed with what others have said on here?

111870 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1038 of 1157 🔗

Agree – my mum is waiting on an urgent heart procedure and they can’t say when it might happen – possibly Christmas, if she’s lucky (!)..

111884 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Carrie, 1, #1039 of 1157 🔗

Carrie, I’m sorry to hear that and hope she gets the treatment as soon as possible. I’m sure you know this already, but do hassle and don’t take no for an answer. Even in ‘normal’ times, getting treatment from ‘our NHS’ is a function of who shouts the loudest – I have had much personal experience of this.

111899 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1040 of 1157 🔗

Oh we are ‘hassling’ – when she was last admitted my sister called the ward and said she was refusing to pick Mum up until she’d seen the lung specialist (also long-promised). Mum stayed in hospital for several more days but the lung specialist never did materialise…. However once she came home she did manage to get to speak to someone else on the phone, so she did get some answers in the end..

111909 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Carrie, 1, #1041 of 1157 🔗

Yes, sounds familiar. I usually ask to speak to ward sister and ask for ‘care plan’, and consultant/registrar, and ask ‘who is signing the documents and legally responsible for the decision’. Tends to focus minds!

111978 ▶▶▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1042 of 1157 🔗

Oxford/ Bucks

111858 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1043 of 1157 🔗

So do you think they were planning to lift the jack-boot of our necks in November?

111867 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1044 of 1157 🔗

Maybe just slightly loosen the pressure once the US election was over, presuming they’d seen off Trump? Slowly introduce vaccine and covipass after that..?

Would be difficult to just suddenly say ‘Ok guys, back to normal now – shame we’ve crashed the economy but hey ho, make the best of it’ and just expect people to accept that! Especially when since the start they’ve been going on about ‘the new normal’…

111877 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Carrie, 2, #1045 of 1157 🔗

I think the US election might be important. The betting odds now have Biden and Trump neck-and-neck as of an hour ago. Biden’s 10% point lead pre the DNC has evaporated.

111881 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1046 of 1157 🔗

The interviews being conducted now regarding ‘Obamagate’ seem to be hotting up too.. apparently more due to happen at the start of next week.. MSM aren’t covering it, but MP Tobias Ellwood (linked to 77th brigade) is in it up to his neck, apparently.. Also Sir Richard Dearlove, amongst others.

111898 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Carrie, #1047 of 1157 🔗

Thanks, I will keep a lookout for that – ZeroHedge is usually good for that sort of stuff, including some of the comments under the articles.

111903 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1048 of 1157 🔗

Follow Greg Rubini on Twitter.. he’s written books about it all! Also George Papadopoulos..

111883 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #1049 of 1157 🔗

How can anybody vote for Biden??? It’s pathetic, out of all the people in the USA and all they can come up with is Biden.
Or Trump for that matter. It’s just sad.

111888 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Two-Six, #1050 of 1157 🔗

Yes, look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=w5EmROAzL-4&feature=emb_logo
Nothing of what he says makes sense!

111892 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Carrie, #1051 of 1157 🔗

And see this photo of when he made the speech: https://twitter.com/GregRubini/status/1300892156589113346/photo/1

111908 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Carrie, #1052 of 1157 🔗

This is just insane.

111922 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Two-Six, #1053 of 1157 🔗

It occurred to me that the (few) people there supposedly listening all had laptops – were they all going to edit the footage if necessary? Were they journalists?

111904 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Carrie, 1, #1054 of 1157 🔗

Yes, word salad. The guys is almost a vegetable now. Utterly useless.

111919 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Carrie, 2, #1055 of 1157 🔗

He is obviously senile,but the hatred felt for Trump means a lot of people will still vote for him.

111879 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Carrie, 1, #1056 of 1157 🔗

Yes, November the 5th US election day. Of course, I was thinking about Guy Fawks night as being a red letter day in the world of Boris the Patriot. “Fwaaahhh Fwaaah Quod est super
Iam qui ex Britannia, et egredietur a pyram! Fwaaaahhh fwaaaahhhh”

111907 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Carrie, 3, #1057 of 1157 🔗

I doubt the PM cares much about Trump one way or the other. Notwithstanding anything else, why would our government wish to make our lives better, given that so many seem to accept it has to be like this. Until they feel threatened electorally by sceptics, they will carry on regardless. At present, the political threat comes from pro-lockdown parties.

111911 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, #1058 of 1157 🔗

Except that the British government were part of the spying operation on Trump, the USA got GCHQ in the UK involved… So we are not totally detached from the whole thing..

111913 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Julian, #1059 of 1157 🔗

Trade deal or no trade deal, though?

111871 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1060 of 1157 🔗

I’m not sure there will be planning – it is more likely to be forced on them. Unless they can ‘find’ some deaths, the position will be unsustainable in light of economic armageddon.

111925 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1061 of 1157 🔗

Although it will be useful to them to retain the power of local lockdown, as the congestion round the Channel ports resulting from increased customs paperwork builds up in January. Works on the M2 and M20 on the moveable barriers etc to allow lorry parking all along it have resumed this week. They presumably don’t expect the massive new TIR lorry park near Folkestone to be sufficient. I’m waiting for a convenient ‘spike’ to be discovered from intensified testing at one of the UK’s biggest abbatoirs in Ashford in the New Year.
Prudent to stock up, folks, I know someone here has already invested in lots of tins of peas.

111930 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bruno, #1062 of 1157 🔗

The fishing bill is now going through Parliament. Assuming it passes, there may be other decisions made regarding what happens after Dec. 31st..

111971 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Julian, #1063 of 1157 🔗

You’re right on the money Julian. Everyone else is doing it and it will only be for the short term maybe. I just can’t fathom having this mindset but I guarantee that the majority is wired this way.

111807 Cheezilla, 4, #1064 of 1157 🔗

Latest from Carl Vernon. He’s sounding a bit pissed off!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu6nHEHYnDM

111815 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 24, #1065 of 1157 🔗

Just found out that on P.E days at school my daughter has to wear her P.E kit the whole day. Yes that’s right, no changing rooms so if you have P.E. in the morning you have to stay in your sweaty gear for the rest of the day. And this is supposed to be in the name of our children’s health? Imbeciles.

111821 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Achilles, 15, #1066 of 1157 🔗

Why are they all so determined to make life for children as unpleasant as possible ?,they are twisted sadists.

111826 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Achilles, 8, #1067 of 1157 🔗

Anyone who comes up with a regulation like this is not fit to be a teacher or associated with the education of children in any way.

I wonder how many people there actually are in society who are responsible for all this? I would guess we on the sceptical side of the argument probably far outnumber them. It’s just that they are generally the psychopathic/narcissistic types who will stop at nothing to impose their will on others, and most people are too nice to resist them.

111865 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Achilles, 4, #1068 of 1157 🔗

The kids here are getting around this madness by taking their uniforms and changing in the toilets.

111905 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Achilles, 3, #1069 of 1157 🔗

My daughters school had just cancelled their P.E.lessons altogether.
Joined up government at its finest

111912 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #1070 of 1157 🔗

Exactly – wasn’t Boris talking about the importance of keeping fit and healthy not 5 minutes ago?!

111954 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Carrie, 2, #1071 of 1157 🔗

I despair of this shit show now.How can so many people go along with this nonsense.They also have to wear masks in the communal areas of the school but not in the classroom,because Covid magically doesn’t go through the classroom door.

111822 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1072 of 1157 🔗

Vernon Coleman’s 29th August 2020 London Rally Speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cc-N8bkaYs

111832 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1073 of 1157 🔗

Vernon Coleman is one of those guys like who James and Toby were talking about on a previous podcast… has some pretty great things to say. But then you read his stuff about how men who crossdress live longer … and … um … well, he seems like a guy who has a lot of ideas, where some are better than others.

111962 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RyanM, 1, #1074 of 1157 🔗

He’s an extreme vegan too. And friends who have had dealings with him in the past are not wholly complimentary.

But on the current bollocks, he’s been massive, 110%.

111999 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to RyanM, #1075 of 1157 🔗

there comes to a point where Toby,James, Peter Hitchens and maybe a few scientists need to do a public speech/protest

111830 matt, replying to matt, 15, #1076 of 1157 🔗

There’s been a lot of teacher-bashing here recently. I’ve joined in, so I’m not excusing myself or blaming anyone else – the education fiasco has been probably the most reprehensible fiasco in a tough field in the last 6 months. And the teachers’ unions (actually, mostly NASUWT) have been appalling.

An anecdote for the counsel for the defence, however.

I’ve just had a couple of beers with a friend of mine who is a teacher at a secondary school north of the river. Term starts tomorrow. He said:
“Whatever they say in the press about thousands of years of education having been lost, I’m absolutely sure that we can get these kids back to where they need to be. We’re going to have to put the effort in and we’re going to have to do extra cramming, but by the end of the year, they’ll be fine. Where it’s going to become a disaster is when they start shutting down whole year groups and whole sections of the school for weeks at a time because a kid has a sniffle. Kids and teachers get colds all the time, but if we do that, we really will have failed a generation.”

111836 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to matt, 6, #1077 of 1157 🔗

I don’t hate all teachers – but I do hate all teachers’ unions. They ensure that the worst teachers remain, and that they remain influential. I don’t think all teachers support keeping everything closed because they are either irrational frightened, or they enjoy being paid to do nothing … but that is effectively what is being pushed, and at the forefront of that push are the Unions and our governments.

111897 ▶▶ Julian, replying to matt, 4, #1078 of 1157 🔗

The teachers unions and some teachers may not have helped, but the lion’s share of the blame lies with the government, their advisors, the media and those national and international organisations who have lied, propagandised, sought to rule and push their agenda through fear and misrepresentation.

I dare say some diligent school, teachers and pupils will get back on track, and some may already be, academically, but from every other point of view given the current government imposed/suggested guidance school will be a shitty, devalued experience, with no sport, music, trips, socialising etc. etc. Ditto university. School and Uni governing bodies and leaders will make matters worse by safety-first madness, but the door was opened for them by the government, who must have know and must know how it will end. Evil.

111840 Paul, replying to Paul, 12, #1079 of 1157 🔗

It’s very dispiriting to report,but I think that here in the wildlands of south west Lincolnshire the war against the madness is lost.
Mask compliance appears to be total here,the only other bare-face I have seen in any shop since the law came in,excepting a few staff members,is my wife’s !.
The 2m bollocks seems to be back in full swing and there are more and more unpleasantly toned do this,don’t do that type notices on shop doors and some shops have reintroduced limits on the number allowed in at one time.More masked on the streets and driving cars.
It really seems like a huge step backwards has happened over the past few weeks.
I think we are the only sceptics on our street and probably on the whole estate !.
It’s starting to feel like waiting for the last helicopter out of Saigon !.Thank god most of our family and friends are sceptics !.

111849 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Paul, 7, #1080 of 1157 🔗

Perhaps we could develop a live UK interactive map showing how the “war is panning out” Red Fallen Amber signs of resistance – Green Re Taken .

111882 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Paul, 7, #1081 of 1157 🔗

I think people are scared of being locked down, as per cunty balls sturgeon shutting down Glasgow. People are scared and see it is a small price to pay.

Real thing is DO NOT GET TESTED!!!

111906 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Paul, 3, #1082 of 1157 🔗

I understand, compliance is saddeningly high round here, even more than central Bristol and it’s been really getting me down lately.

111917 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Paul, 3, #1083 of 1157 🔗

Every time I think we are turning the corner, I am brought back down to earth by news like this.

I really think that the brainwashed masses are irredeemable. We have to find a way of extricating ourselves from this nightmare and abandoning them to their fate.

111958 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Richard O, 4, #1084 of 1157 🔗

I think the vast majority of shop workers are under pressure to wear masks and most will think it’s bollocks! They have worked all through this!!!! and the vast majority did not wear a mask, some tried for a week or so – that was enough! They know! Pressure is from upstairs!
Many shoppers wear masks not because they have been brainwashed but because it’s well, less stressful!
There is resistance but it might not be visible.
To give hope I fell over the other day and a man wearing a mask came over to give me a hand!

111850 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1085 of 1157 🔗

More alarmist dross, this time from The Guardian (published yesterday):

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/31/rising-uk-infections-what-do-the-latest-figures-mean

The article finishes with these observations from the “experts”:

How concerned should we be [about the increase in cases]?

The increase in the positivity rate since July has led to concerns about further easing of lockdown – including encouraging employees to return to the workplace.

Christina Pagel, professor of operational research at University College London, said among the concerns were that few offices had windows that opened and many involved sharing lifts and bathrooms [toilets].

[Shagger] Ferguson added that a critical moment would be the opening up of schools, and that could lead to a rapid increase in cases of coronavirus.

While Ferguson said he did not want to be alarmist, there was no room for complacency. “We do need to make sure that our testing, tracing and response to outbreaks in workplaces and schools or wherever is up to scratch,” he said.

111891 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1086 of 1157 🔗

Carl Heneghan addressing the PCR tests in a very good spectator article

111863 NonCompliant, replying to NonCompliant, 1, #1087 of 1157 🔗

Welcome to your future

https://www.healthpassportireland.ie/

I’m sure there’s something of a very similar ilk in store for us in the UK

111866 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to NonCompliant, #1088 of 1157 🔗

I dunno about this app. Yes it’s very much what “they” want but really? It is to regulate everything we do for what is essentially such a harmless virus that might even totally disappear. Well if they want to bring it in everywhere this is what will happen but it might just be hard for them to do it…

Although these days…..I think we will need to have it on a phone to do anything by about next week.

111874 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Two-Six, #1089 of 1157 🔗

I think the regular testing version of this ‘health passport’ is to ‘soften us up’ for the vaccine passport, to be linked to our ‘proper’ passports. We already know the EU has been planning those for some time.. Document on that has been shared here before..

111887 ▶▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Carrie, 1, #1090 of 1157 🔗

I think the play is going to be regular testing to help rid us of masks and distancing and then the vaccine to rid us of regular testing. They will do anything they can to help us get our lives back you know, they really care about ‘us’

111894 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to NonCompliant, 1, #1091 of 1157 🔗

Why would the government want to stop all the nonsense? It’s ideal for them. Easy power.

111920 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, #1092 of 1157 🔗

Yes, micromanaging our lives seems to be the endgame. Dominic Cummings’ job advert for geeks is beginning to make sense now…

On which subject, I am currently getting sent job ads via LinkedIn relating to using my translating skills for AI … suspicious timing… Obviously I am not going to apply!!!!

111895 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to NonCompliant, 1, #1093 of 1157 🔗

That sounds like a plausible theory (though obviously undesirable..). The testing may well enable them to build up a DNA database, so the vaccine is far from the end game..

111921 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Carrie, 1, #1094 of 1157 🔗

On that subject, I wonder what happens to all the swabs they use for PCR testing? Are they discarded, or saved somewhere?

111889 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Carrie, #1095 of 1157 🔗

yer I know….

111936 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to NonCompliant, 1, #1096 of 1157 🔗

I believe it is the plan, if we want a ‘normal’ life, ie travel, job, childcare, education a health passport will be required. The climate change lobby want to be able to restrict travel, the pharma industry will make trillions and all connected to any of the industries will make their fortunes off the back of it.

111961 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to NonCompliant, #1097 of 1157 🔗

Oh zure. I’m definitely going to download some app being sold by Robert Quirke whose ROQU Group’s most recent commercial success seems to have been staging some rock music festival in Jeddah…:
https://www.thedrum.com/news/2019/12/10/how-roqu-media-and-the-manual-london-staged-saudi-arabia-s-largest-ever-music
and whose first businesses desperate to trial it include an Irish hotel and a crèche in Westmeath.

111974 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to NonCompliant, #1098 of 1157 🔗

Far be it from me to pour scorn on this opportunistic business venture:
‘The digital platform is a big step towards helping businesses and individuals to quickly minimise risks related to COVID-19 and ensure they can continue daily activities. The system has been designed to work will (sic) all official COVID-19 test types. (You bet).

‘Health Passport Ireland’ (my latest money making venture as a side hustle to running rock festivals, assisted by a cleverly designed website and some glossy PR) is launching with a trial involving a select range of national participants including Tallaght University Hospital, Oaklodge Nursing Home, Emerald Freight, Keogh’s Farm, Home Music Festival, a county Meath based crèche and more.’ (err who? Just run through that scintillating list of clients again?).’

111982 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Bruno, #1099 of 1157 🔗

EileenIorio (@eileeniorio) Tweeted:
@Picoroco That’s it. ROQU Group was set up for this app in July 2020. He was also involved in flying in a pallet of “equipment” for the HSE a few months ago. €14m for one pallet 🤷‍♀️ something odd here. https://twitter.com/eileeniorio/status/1300052088861458432?s=20

111868 BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 3, #1100 of 1157 🔗

Deaths and hospitalisations are now irrelevant as they are microscopic; our lockdown lives are being governed by ‘cases’ (ie positive tests).

So I am trying to get my head round PCR testing (with much help from this site and precious little elsewhere).

Here’s a very simple question. We are told, about the test cyles:
…. through the magic of doubling, if this process is repeated 10 times you will have about 1,000 identical strands of DNA. Twenty times, a million (220). Thirty times, a billion (230). Forty times, a trillion (240). Each round of doubling is referred to as a “cycle”.
I understand that to be treated as ‘positive’, a test usually goes through 30 ‘cycles’, ie it can be negative after cycle 29 and positive after cycle 30.

WHY does this virus lie so well-hidden that you have to create 1,000,000,000 replicas of the original sample to find it? Why does it not show up in the other 999,999,999 replicas?

I’ve seen the really helpful Dr Kaufman video and read most of the ‘The Infectious Myth’ paper, but need something in terms that I can use to explain to the intelligent layman.

111896 ▶▶ wendy, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #1101 of 1157 🔗

Have a look at Carl Heneghan article in the Spectator today.

111940 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to wendy, 1, #1102 of 1157 🔗

Thanks Wendy – paywalled at the moment I’m afraid, but I may be able to access it later as one of my freebies for the month.

111869 Edward, replying to Edward, 9, #1103 of 1157 🔗

On the lighter side, as they say in Reader’s Digest: When out walking recently I saw the Secretaries of State for Health and Education.

111918 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Edward, 3, #1104 of 1157 🔗

Please don’t insult donkeys.

111959 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Edward, 2, #1105 of 1157 🔗

In World War 1 it was ‘lions led by donkeys.’ Today it is donkeys leading sheep.

111875 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 1, #1106 of 1157 🔗

Good God, restrictions in some US States can never be lifted…perhaps to keep people away from polling stations?

https://mailchi.mp/tomwoods/falsepositives-320656?e=00f819942f

111893 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to T. Prince, 2, #1107 of 1157 🔗

I think they will choose the president using an algorithm, much safer.

111901 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to T. Prince, 1, #1108 of 1157 🔗

Note that there is no stage that involves getting your life back, period. This means no return to normal, ever.

111923 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1109 of 1157 🔗

Do people with life threatening conditions still die of pneumonia, or is it all Covid now?

111945 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1110 of 1157 🔗

7 to 1 Flu/Pneumonia to Covid.
Somehow the lockdown and masks don’t seem to work against flu.

111951 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to WhyNow, 4, #1111 of 1157 🔗

It is good to point this out to people – if all the masks, social distancing, lockdowns and hand-washing are so effective, why are people still getting flu and pneumonia?

111989 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Carrie, 1, #1112 of 1157 🔗

I think the flu virus is different because reasons.

111924 NonCompliant, replying to NonCompliant, 3, #1113 of 1157 🔗

Straw poll. Who’s thinking of ‘trying’ to leave (escape) their country of origin?

I’m of the mindset that if I can find somewhere which hasn’t gone insane I’m going to seriously look into it. I’m just not sure that many such places still exist.

I still can’t believe the lack of political opposition to what’s going on. It’s almost like a coup is underway.

111927 ▶▶ NickR, replying to NonCompliant, 2, #1114 of 1157 🔗

Comment again when you’ve worked out where to go.

111964 ▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to NickR, 1, #1115 of 1157 🔗

Mars !

111977 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to NickR, #1116 of 1157 🔗

Armenia and Pakistan have both tired of the charade, if you’re interested

112041 ▶▶▶ Marie R, replying to NickR, #1117 of 1157 🔗

Sweden!

111931 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to NonCompliant, 2, #1118 of 1157 🔗

There are some places better than others, but from what I have gathered a substantial level of Covid madness exists in every single nation state on the planet.

I have decided to stay put in the UK because it is at least familiar home territory. And bad as they are in the UK, the Covid restrictions are far worse in many other countries. The thought of having to integrate with a new culture, find a new source of income, learn a new language and deal with this shit is too much to take on.

111952 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to NonCompliant, 1, #1119 of 1157 🔗

It’s almost like a coup is underway.

That would have been back in March. Have you been living in a cave ? 🙂

111965 ▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to JohnB, #1120 of 1157 🔗

Nah. Had my suspicions from early on. Try not to be too judgemental 😉

111957 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to NonCompliant, 4, #1121 of 1157 🔗

I’m staying put and fighting. Running away seems defeatist to me. Viva la resistance!

111988 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mr Dee, #1122 of 1157 🔗

With you on that. Looks like north-east Wales is going to be ok…

111967 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to NonCompliant, 1, #1123 of 1157 🔗

I was thinking the same thing. Need to find myself a country welcoming non-vaccinated asylum seekers…or be done with the new world altogether.

111987 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to NonCompliant, 2, #1124 of 1157 🔗

Won’t be leaving, but the days of me playing the game with a straight bat are over. From now on, I’ll be doing my best to screw the bastards over and get everything out of them that I can. If that means bending a few rules, then so be it.

111929 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #1125 of 1157 🔗

It was good to hear Edward Leigh’s comment from Parliament today, a rare voice not fully on message. Otherwise there is almost zero opposition to any of this hoo-haa. There is a Parliamentary Committee on Health and it does have a Coronavirus enquiry but that committee seems to have no scheduled actions at present;
https://committees.parliament.uk/work/81/management-of-the-coronavirus-outbreak/
It seems to me that at the time we need it most, our parliamentary system has badly let us down with no real challenges or questions being raised when the Governments actions on this virus have had such a huge impact. Is it worth writing to this committee? Otherwise is there any way we can stimulate some parliamentary activity to look objectively at what is going on?

111935 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Steve Martindale, #1126 of 1157 🔗

Was Steve Baker there, out of interest?

111939 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Steve Martindale, #1127 of 1157 🔗

Parliament 2020-20xx = Reichstag 1933-1945.

111984 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1128 of 1157 🔗

The entire Establishment has let us down, Steve. All of it.

111948 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to richard riewer, #1130 of 1157 🔗

Madness…

111944 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 13, #1131 of 1157 🔗

I rejoined my old cricket club and had the first practice session tonight.

One of the players is a GP from one of the towns surgeries, so obviously the question about “second wave” popped up. His answer was quite enlightening in that he said the consensus at his medical practice is that there will be no “second wave”, and he also said that they do not expect there to be much of a flu season this winter due to all those that died earlier this year!

111947 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to JohnB, 3, #1132 of 1157 🔗

Encouraging!
So I hope he’s also seeing patients as normal now and not just playing cricket?!

111956 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to JohnB, 1, #1133 of 1157 🔗

Which only leaves “the next one that….will get attention this time” (Bill Gates) to worry about.

111983 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JohnB, #1134 of 1157 🔗

Oh no, we know how that will be spun by HMG: “Low flu numbers due to increased mask usage!”

111986 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nick Rose, #1135 of 1157 🔗

Not low enough though. Surely time for mandatory masks + visors + goggles + gloves.

111994 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1136 of 1157 🔗

Not funny. 🙂 Back in June, I made a bet with a friend. I said that our numbers had peaked on June 9th, and that the curve would look the same on the way down; we’d be near zero by September 9. A week ago, I texted her and asked when she was going to buy me those drinks. She said that the results do not count toward our bet because our numbers are only low due to masks!! I called bullshit – the mask mandate came on July 25th, and we had extremely low compliance until they started punishing business owners, but our numbers had already peaked out and plummeted.

There is no convincing true believers.

111995 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to RyanM, 1, #1137 of 1157 🔗

How much longer can we survive in a society that has gone totally insane? I’m treating this as a de facto terminal diagnosis i.e. I have 6-12 months left to live.

111969 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1138 of 1157 🔗

https://www.nzz.ch/amp/meinung/kollabierte-kommunikation-was-wenn-am-ende-die-covidioten-recht-haben-ld.1574096?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR2kEBgEdmfCqV_IKI5HOUJ6mA3ewL1BFaNJRjzQMwIcyvLJfhey81z0QZs

This from Neue Zuricher Zeitung, Switzerland,,on of the oldest newspaper in the world. Mainstream but perhaps changing about C-19.”What happens if the Covididiots was right after all? “The article discusses the second wave in Europe with many cases and  few hospitalisations and fewer deaths

111993 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1139 of 1157 🔗

das article est too much en germanschtagen. no comprehendensteinen

112004 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1140 of 1157 🔗

‘ware paywall, told me I’d used up all my free articles the minute I tried to go beyond it!

111972 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1141 of 1157 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53987928

Apple has begun letting its iPhones carry out contact-tracing without the need for users to download an official Covid-19 app.

As an alternative, owners are being invited to opt in to a scheme called Exposure Notifications Express (ENE).

This keeps a 14-day log of other phones detected via Bluetooth and serves an alert if one or more of their users is later diagnosed to have the virus.

111975 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1142 of 1157 🔗

I have not taken my smartphone outside my flat since 18th March, and never will again.

Just as well that the sole reason I go outside these days is to smoke a cigarette.

111996 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1143 of 1157 🔗

‘But there is one real danger – that the system will leave many feeling both confused and suspicious.
Its workings are complex and it could appear to many people that they are being asked to trust the tech giant rather than their local health service.’
Or they might just keep Bluetooth switched off, personally I’ve no idea what it’s for anyway.

111998 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Bruno, 1, #1144 of 1157 🔗

And what is the actual point? there’s only about 30K people currently testing positive out of 66M people in UK, some will have recently recovered from infection, so not going to infect you, some false positives, a good few working in healthcare or food processing, some more poor things actually in care homes or hospital, including maternity units – and how likely are you to meet any of them? Bonkers.

111976 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1145 of 1157 🔗

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.28.20183699v1

Do Lockdowns Bring about Additional Mortality Benefits or Costs? Evidence based on Death Records from 300 Million Chinese People

This is a fantastic article from China not peer reviewed. Enormous other benefits from lockdown!!! I hope they send this article to Peru as a consolation price.
 “we find that lockdowns reduced the number of non-COVID-19 deaths by 4.9% (cardiovascular deaths by 6.2%, injuries by 9.2%, and non-COVID-19 pneumonia deaths by 14.3%). The health benefits are likely driven by significant reductions in air pollution, traffic, and human interactions. A back-of-the-envelope calculation shows that more than 32,000 lives could have been saved from non-COVID-19 diseases/causes during the 40 days of the lockdown on which we focus. “The results suggest that the rapid and strict virus countermeasures not only effectively controlled the spread of COVID-19 but also brought about massive unintended public health benefits. These findings can help better inform policymakers around the world about the benefits and costs of city and community lockdowns policies in dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic.”

111980 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1146 of 1157 🔗

Covid-19 would have killed 500,000 in the UK.

40,000 died from Covid-19 in the UK (90%+ with co-morbidities but we won’t mention this).

Therefore the lockdown saved 460,000 lives.

And now we know it saved even more lives, so let’s round it back up to 500,000.

So that’s official then, the UK lockdown saved 500,000 lives.

111985 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1147 of 1157 🔗

And masks prevent all other diseases, so actually no one will ever die again.

The brilliant response to Covid-19 means that death has officially been eradicated.

111992 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1148 of 1157 🔗

Really?! The Chinese want the world to remain locked down just as they open up? Shocking.

112002 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1149 of 1157 🔗

One for the mathematicians I think, statistical modelling of averted deaths by comparing locked down areas with non locked down. Although it’s the first time I’ve seen ‘back of the envelope calculations’ described as such in this kind of paper. Impressive dataset, 300M or 1/4 of population, but it excludes any from Wuhan/Hubei province, as the epicentre’s crisis conditions might have meant recording was not as good as it should have been. And they don’t seem to take any account of additional deaths from suicide , drug and alcohol abuse.

112115 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Bruno, 1, #1150 of 1157 🔗

I did not read the article in whole.Enough to state “back of the envelope calculation”. This is pure Maoist propaganda.I assum anyone who bothers to read it can tear it into pieces.But too nauseating.

111981 jim j, replying to jim j, 2, #1151 of 1157 🔗

Lock down Glasgow again, and declare another Indy Ref.
Nicola is sure feeling a rush up there, she’s got upper hand on Westminster so why not have a crack!

111990 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to jim j, 2, #1152 of 1157 🔗

To be renamed Maskland after gaining independence.

112000 ▶▶▶ jim j, replying to Richard O, 2, #1153 of 1157 🔗

It’s all just a Maskquerade!

112001 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to jim j, 3, #1154 of 1157 🔗

In all seriousness I was previously in favour of Scottish independence. My rationale being that it would disrupt the UK power structures enough to give us all a chance to build something better. Now I can see that it would be a complete nightmare. I knew the SNP were big pushers of the Nanny State, but I didn’t realise they were full-on communists in the style of 1980s East Germany. Hadrian’s Wall will be getting a substantial refit. I wonder what Crankie’s plan’s are for the Death Strip?

112003 ▶▶▶▶▶ jim j, replying to Richard O, 3, #1155 of 1157 🔗

I certainly don’t see they add any value to the UK, it’s an amazing place with amazing people, and that will always be the case I guess, but god it’s NaNa Land on Covid, an economic disaster, and she whines incessantly!

112542 stefarm, #1157 of 1157 🔗

Destroying our lives to save our lives.

Wankers all of them!

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110Richard O11, 2, 19, 13, 6, 5, 0, 4, 6, 1, 1, 0, 8, 2, 8, 3, 1, 2, 0, 1, 0, 1, 3, 2, 6, 2, 3
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108RyanM33, 5, 13, 2, 18, 7, 0, 0, 1, 4, 9, 4, 5, 13, 6, 1, 6, 4, 2, 2
103Biker7, 26, 18, 5, 18, 26, 3
100Tenchy9, 16, 6, 12, 6, 0, 0, 1, 38, 6, 0, 4, 1, 1
95tallandbald2, 9, 72, 12, 0
88Darryl4, 5, 10, 9, 3, 4, 1, 5, 11, 4, 11, 3, 12, 6
79Mr Dee0, 1, 1, 4, 6, 10, 13, 7, 12, 7, 3, 5, 4, 0, 0, 2, 4
73Nick Rose5, 3, 5, 3, 6, 2, 0, 3, 3, 3, 5, 3, 4, 1, 1, 0, 7, 1, 5, 0, 0, 5, 3, 1, 0, 2, 2, 0
61Dan Clarke11, 10, 6, 1, 1, 3, 0, 7, 5, 14, 1, 2
59Recusant59
59Cheezilla3, 2, 41, 0, 1, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 21, 2, 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 8, 2
58TJN1, 7, 12, 18, 11, 0, 9
54matt15, 4, 16, 2, 0, 0, 1, 1, 15
49Lisa from Toronto3, 14, 1, 10, 1, 8, 0, 1, 4, 1, 0, 6
49Tyneside Tigress12, 9, 6, 3, 1, 0, 11, 2, 1, 1, 2, 0, 0, 1
48James Bertram1137
46court46
46Peter Thompson26, 20
45Achilles7, 1, 13, 24
45Hubes26, 6, 4, 3, 6
45TheBluePill5, 8, 20, 4, 8
43tonys8, 5, 9, 7, 13, 1
43stefarm5, 03, 1, 2, 4, 4, 2, 1, 9, 3, 2, 7
41Nsklent41
41Basileus1, 10, 26, 1, 3
40Basics5, 11, 3, 2, 1, 3, 14, 1
39Charlie Blue0, 10, 8, 3, 8, 7, 0, 0, 3
38ColoradoGirl38
38Klein19, 19
37Steeve5, 1, 2, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 4, 2, 0, 3, 1, -6, 4, 3, 5, 0, 7, 4
36Humanity First22, 14
36Barney McGrew421, 0, 8, 0, 3
36Bruno9, 3, 5, 2, 1, 1, 3, 0, 2, 1, 4, 2, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 1
35Baloo19, 10, 4, 2
34mjr01, 4, 3, 3, 8, 1, 0, 14
32arfurmo13, 14, 5
32Lucan Grey2, 27, 3
32dpj19, 8, 3, 2
31PastImperfect06, 3, 0, 0, 22
31Strange Days2, 5, 1, 4, 9, 2, 2, 6
31swedenborg8, 4, 2, 4, 8, 3, 1, 1
29Thomas_E29
29Caroline Watson23, 6
29Mark H9, 20
27Paul15, 12
26mhcp12, 6, 8
26GiftWrappedKittyCat0, 15, 7, 4
26AN other lockdown sceptic31, 7, 14, 1
25PoshPanic4, 5, 9, 6, 1, 0
25Kate2, 7, 1, 3, 3, 2, 1, 4, 2, 0
24Telpin9, 12, 3
24WhyNow5, 0, 4, 1, 12, 2
23ianric23
23Jonathan Palmer5, 3, 2, 4, 2, 2, 3, 2
21Albie21
20guy1535, 0, 1, 1, 1, 0, 5, 7
19Ed Turnbull3, 16
19Jane in France4, 0, 8, 3, 4
18Dave #KBF14, 3, 0, 1
18Eddie8, 7, 1, 1, 0, 1
18Silke David1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 5, 10
17rational actor3, 2, 12
17Edward1, 4, 2, 1, 0, 0, 9
17BeBopRockSteady4, 0, 0, 1, 1, 7, 3, 1, 0
16Hopeful16
166097 Smith W13, 3
16Caramel412
16Will4, 1, 11
15Mike Collins15
15Alison914, 1
15steve4, 11
15wendyk13, 2
14Quernus14
14Fiat59
14stewart7, 4, 3
14NonCompliant5, 3, 1, 1, 3, 1, 0
13JohnB13
13Steve Martindale2, 2, 0, 5, 4
12Tking12
12alw2, 4, 6
12Lord Rickmansworth60, 5, 1
12petgor0, 2, 9, 1
12DavidC1, 0, 0, 7, 4
11DRW8, 3
10ajb97b10
10Cristi.Neagu10
10mrjoeaverage10
10Yawnyaman4, 4, 2, 0, 0
9Arkleston9
9HaylingDave9
9The Spingler9
9nowhereman3, 6
9Rowan4, 5
9Steve Hayes27
9IMoz72, 0
8CT_Hello8
8dorset dumpling8
8Margaret8
8mattghg8, 0
8Drawde9271, 3, 4
8Lms2352, 1
8ikaraki0, 2, 0, 0, 0, 1, 3, 2, 0
7BobT7
7polistra7
7ConstantBees1, 6
7A. Contrarian4, 2, 1
7jim j2, 2, 3
7Nessimmersion4, 2, 1
6Alethea6
6Cbird6
6Hammer Onats6
6smileymiley6
6Stephen⁹ Williams6
6The Walrus6
6davews5, 1
6Norma McNormalface5, 1
5nottingham695
5zacaway5
52 pence0, 5
5Father McKenzie23
5jrsm3, 2
5crimsonpirate1, 1, 1, 2, 0
4Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen4
4DomW4
4Old Bill4
4Panda4
4Bella4, 0
4BTLnewbie3, 1
4IanE1, 3
4NickR2, 2
4RichardJames3, 1, 0
4T. Prince1, 2, 1
4Stringfellow Hawke0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 1, 1, 1
3Allyouneedtoknow3
3Jenny3
3NappyFace3
3Youth_Unheard3
3watashi1, 2
3wendy1, 2
3Lili1, 1, 0, 1, 0, 0
2Bob2
2Cheshirecatslave2
2Girl down Under2
2hotrod2
2Jim2
2Montag Smith2
2nat2
2Ross Hendry2
2Simon Dutton2
2Sonia2
2Tom Blackburn2, 0
2JohnB0, 1, 1
2janis pennance0, 0, 1, 1, 0
1Bobblybob1
1Chris Hume1
1Chris John1
1DressageRider1
1Drummerman1
1Ethelred the Unready1
1SweetBabyCheeses1
1kf991, 0
1Polemon21, 0
1Richard Pinch1, 0
1Marie R0, 1, 0
0David Grimbleby0
0DThom0
0KBuchanan0
0PWL0
0Snarly0
0Thinkaboutit0
0bluemoon0, 0
0H K0, 0
0Sophie1230, 0

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