2020-09-02

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112006 Gtec, replying to Gtec, 3, #1 of 1147 🔗

Didn’t mean to be the first to comment, but I just happened to be awake when the Latest News update arrived in my inbox!

112008 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Gtec, 4, #2 of 1147 🔗

I just woke up! AND I WANTED TO BE FIRST!

112604 ▶▶▶ Gtec, replying to Steeve, #3 of 1147 🔗

Sorry, better luck next time!

112028 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Gtec, 2, #4 of 1147 🔗

I must be more vigilant and beat you to it next time

112029 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Gtec, 2, #5 of 1147 🔗

NHS Nurse Whistle blower Louise Hampton – “Covid19 is BllkS!! They were doing noting during the worst of the COVID 19(84) times – MUST WATCH AND SHARE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu5KQtzBRYU&t=1s

112110 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #6 of 1147 🔗

You’ve posted this a lot, is it the hair or the eyes?

112172 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Bruno, 6, #7 of 1147 🔗

It’s just a rant with no information or background. Fair play if she is genuine and speaking out but something doesn’t smell right about it to me. She just comes across as a disgruntled employee. Either way I’m not sure it’s going to end up helping the cause.

112183 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Achilles, 9, #8 of 1147 🔗

She’s an employee of (Dont) Care UK, notorious for fair dealing and support for its staff:
‘In November 2009 John Nash, the chairman of Care UK, made a donation of £21,000 to the private office of Andrew Lansley, who would later become Secretary of State for Health, but was at the time the health spokesman for the opposition. Lansley was later accused of a conflict of interest, as Care UK would be a major beneficiary of proposed changes.
In 2014, Care UK’s former chairman Lord Nash became a government minister and Care UK took over services for people with severe learning disabilities in Doncaster, south Yorkshire, where they immediately cut wages of staff who had been on NHS terms by up to 35% while bringing in 100 new workers on £7 an hour. Fifty carers for the disabled began strike action in protest and by August 2014, had been on strike for seven weeks, making it one of the longest strikes in the history of the NHS. Care UK won the supported living contract from the council after telling officials that it could deliver it for £6.7m over three years, yet the wage bill alone for the service was £7m.’
So no P45 in the post, then.

112211 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Bruno, 5, #9 of 1147 🔗

Sounds about right — this is the new normal in modern Britain. Amazing how cheaply politicians sell themselves. It’s almost as if they’re stupid.

112302 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Simon Dutton, 1, #10 of 1147 🔗

almost??????

112713 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to mjr, #11 of 1147 🔗

Are you being sarcastic?

112710 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Achilles, 1, #12 of 1147 🔗

What did you expect? The video fits in well with everything else we know about the blatant Covid scamdemic.

113409 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Achilles, #13 of 1147 🔗

She’s right. I’ve just been reading articles in Pulse magazine which supports everything she says. The GPs are extremely unhappy that their referrals are just bouncing straight back to them.

112399 ▶▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Bruno, 1, #14 of 1147 🔗

I have posted it before but everything seems a loosing battle. All Labour, Lib Dems and SNP ever want is more lockdown.

Do MPs never seem to do any basic research.

For example Peru has been in Lockdown since March 16th and has the highest death rate in the world apart from San Marino.

No lock down Brazil has done far better than Britain, Spain, Italy and Belgium.

This is the website if Aussie doctors who want to end the lockdown.

https://www.coviddoctorsnetwork.com/

I am sure most of them the Aussie have thinning hair and bloodshot eyes. And that’s just the women. In that case I’ll take the bloodshot eyes

112476 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #15 of 1147 🔗

Do MPs never seem to do any basic research?

Good question. Maybe they are not allowed to do any independent research.

112561 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, 2, #16 of 1147 🔗

UK Column today pointed out that most MPs haven’t a clue what’s been going on. They are oblivious of the facts of eg. the “ramping up the fear mandate” in the SAGE minutes.

Mind you, at £100k per year, mostly to sit at home, they haven’t bothered to ask and seek much, have they?!

112603 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #17 of 1147 🔗

Nope, I’m alright Jack.

112089 ▶▶ Fiat, replying to Gtec, 3, #18 of 1147 🔗

I’m 38th. Is there a prize?

112092 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Fiat, 6, #19 of 1147 🔗

Fiat – just change your name to First…job done. Every time you come on here you can legitimately say “I’m First!”

112100 ▶▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to OKUK, 7, #20 of 1147 🔗

Nice one. Like the convict who changed his name to “Sir” so all the prison guards had to call him Sir!

112145 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Gtec, 2, #21 of 1147 🔗

Anyone noticed that since other have become the first to comment that we never see HawkAnalyst anymore?

112249 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Gtec, #22 of 1147 🔗

You are so polite, from the other side of the world, bloody good job 😆

112007 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #23 of 1147 🔗

Toby, your correspondent says:

the PCR test does reveal how much virus is in the body, but that this information is not provided to ‘patients’ in the yes/no text message

Is this really true? Doesn’t the PCR test reveal only the concentration of the specific RNA markers (am I using the correct terminology?) in the sample ? Not the quantity in the body , nor the amount of actual virus ..? There may be some typical relationship between them, but presumably it’s not definitive in every case i.e. we hear of fragments of RNA being cleared from a recovered patient’s body weeks after the infection has gone.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.25.20162107v2

But I understand what he is saying about the result given to the testee being only a binary yes/no, whereas the test does yield an actual figure.

112012 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #24 of 1147 🔗

Forget the PCR tests and whatnot and watch the video that I uploaded. Australia, Texas, New York, Arizona are all testing the waters of a new normal.

112070 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #25 of 1147 🔗

It is not meaningful at an individual level, but in bigger data sets it would be meaningful, especially if the number of cycles before detection has changed over the course of the scamdemic. If it now takes more cycles than it used to then that undermines the cases narrative.

112093 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #26 of 1147 🔗

I think the problem with that is there are many different versions of “the test” (hundreds), with the samples being acquired in different contexts and the tests being run in different lab environments — and the tests themselves have also evolved during the “covid” period.

Without some calibration or “gold standard” reference against which to ensure a consistent meaning of “number of cycles used to generate a clear signal”, I think it’s not much use to compare cycle counts?

Unless in the vague sense that it used to take 10 cycles and now it takes 100, but we’d still have to consider that a qualitative measure not really a quantitative one.

112737 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Arkansas, 1, #27 of 1147 🔗

You cannot have a clear signal as the Sars-cov-2 coronavirus is still only a theoretical construct, it never having been isolated. There can be no gold standard in these circumstances.

112097 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to TheBluePill, 3, #28 of 1147 🔗

They should publish the number of cycles though, to prevent what another commenter observed:

“Hopefully Cummings, Ferguson and Handcock have been retained for just such a purpose [there to be sacrificed during future backlash] when the second wave fails to materialise. The only problem is they will order PCR cycles to run and run until every test is positive…“

112612 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #29 of 1147 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUY2kJE0AZE
Jefferson Airplane White Rabbit

112077 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #30 of 1147 🔗

I hopped straight to the comments today to clarify the same. It may just be telling you how well the swab was taken.

I agree with you Barney, not “the scientist” who wrote in.

112739 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Tee Ell, #31 of 1147 🔗

And it may be just be giving a false positive.

112235 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #32 of 1147 🔗

Yes it’s the amount of the markers in the sample which is indirectly related to the amount in the body– but also might depend on things like how far up the poor sod’s nose you managed to shove the cotton bud. It would still be interesting to see what the actual cycle counts recorded were.

The biggest problem with PHE and “Pillar 2” testing is the nature of the sampling. They have incredibly complicated rules that keep changing about who is supposed/allowed to have a test so we don’t know what population they’re sampling. To be meaningful it has to be random (ideally) or at least well-defined so we know whether we can extrapolate the positive ratio to everyone in England, to symptomatic people, to health care workers, whatever. There has to be some definition of the population.

It seems to be some subset of people with symptoms, anyone who needs medical treatment of any kind, health care workers and their friends, people who’ve just got off planes, who knows?

The ONS are the only people doing it properly and their overall prevalence estimate of about 0.05% is still the only meaningful one we have.

112346 ▶▶▶ PWL, replying to guy153, #33 of 1147 🔗

The PCR test can’t indicate amount of virus in a host.

112261 ▶▶ drrobin, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #34 of 1147 🔗

Remaining fragments are what makes Jeremey Hunt’s question to Hancock yesterday (and tweeted) that “mass testing would give parents confidence they need to send kids to school”, the rubbish it is. It would cause disarray with schools shut despite no infectious people.
And whilst schools have red lines as you note in article, patents do. Some will withdraw children if there IS mass testing. I’d consider it.

112343 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #35 of 1147 🔗

No, the PCR test does not reveal quantity. There was a big story about this out of America recently; it was couched in terms of the test being too sensitive.

Rappoport has done an article on it:
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/09/01/covid-test-overwhelming-number-of-false-positives/

112726 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #36 of 1147 🔗

The PCR test for Covid-19 may some bear relation to the Sars-Cov-2 viral load but the RNA markers being tested for have not been proved to be exclusive to the virus and they may have other origins. Hardly too surprising, considering the trail of inconsistencies and lies, that have littered the whole of the Covid-19 event.

112827 ▶▶▶ ianric, replying to Rowan, 3, #37 of 1147 🔗

If coronavirus is such a dangerous disease which produces severe symptoms why can’t a diagnosis be made on the basis of symptoms alone rather than rely on tests where there is uncertainty how reliable they are. For instance smallpox produced such severe symptoms you would be able to diagnose on symptoms alone. There is a long running joke about coronavirus being so deadly you have to test to see if people have the illness.

112776 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #38 of 1147 🔗

A detailed test result with how much virus there is would only confuse people.
Firstly, you would have to explain to them what DNA/RNA is and how the test works. How often this specific lab replicates the test to get to the result, which one of the 497 tests in the world they use etc.
The test is supposed to make people compliant, a detailed result analysis might give some clever people the idea this is all just a sham.

112009 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #39 of 1147 🔗

I thought Wetherspoons was a beacon of sanity during this madness.

My perception would have been that a pub chain run by Tim Martin was likely to be a beacon of sanity. But in practice, not. I don’t smoke or vape, but I remember that Wetherspoons was one of the first pubs to make a big deal of banning vaping, and at the time this struck me as a bit pathetic. They came up with a feeble excuse about bar staff being ‘confused’ by e-cigarettes, unable to distinguish between them and normal cigarettes.

The reality would have been that no one would ever be in any confusion about which was which, and that people simply don’t attempt to smoke in pubs with normal cigarettes, anyway. It was a non-problem, and if they simply thought that e-cigarettes didn’t fit with the image of their salubrious establishments they should have had the guts to say so.

https://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/Article/2013/06/07/JD-Wetherspoon-JDW-smoking-ban-electronic-cigarettes

112013 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #40 of 1147 🔗

A large local Weatherspoons had a major refurbishment some months before the smoking ban and tried to implement it early there.
They soon had to abandon that because almost everyone stopped going.

112331 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Barney McGrew, 9, #41 of 1147 🔗

My two local Wetherspoons were an oasis in a sea of madness to begin with but my last visits were a bit more over bearing than usual. I just don’t take a phone out with me anymore and fill in the paperwork provided wink, wink.
I’m expecting it’ll soon come to the point where no smartphone == no access. At that point i’ll just pack in the Pub and Restaurant game altogether and turn my dining area into summat flashy and wine and dine at home and just get pissed in the back garden !

112746 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to NonCompliant, 3, #42 of 1147 🔗

Cashless pubs are a growing problem and should be avoided.

112744 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to Barney McGrew, #43 of 1147 🔗

E-cigarettes give off vast amounts of vapours that could well be as noxious as tobacco smoke. I don’t want to be exposed to E-cigs in Wetherspoons or any where else.

113083 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #44 of 1147 🔗

I`ve smoked in Spoons since the ban. I was quite pissed though.

112010 Eddie, 12, #45 of 1147 🔗

Safety Mask has just made my day!! What an epic piece of art!

112011 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 11, #46 of 1147 🔗

This short video is chilling:
Watch Bill Gates gesticulate and tell us that we have no choice and that every human being on this planet must be vaccinated. Or else. This is no joke folks. 1984 has arrived.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/fhcyflwRQrET/

112104 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to richard riewer, 7, #47 of 1147 🔗

Yet in another interview he tells us this is pandemic 1 and it’s the ‘next one’ that people will take seriously…

112159 ▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Carrie, 14, #48 of 1147 🔗

I would not take this vaccine. I have already been vaccine injured – by a tetanus vaccine. It is impossible to prove your injury because all research that might investigate vaccine harm is blocked and any researcher who is brave enough to work in this field has their funding cut off and their career threatened. This has been going on for thirty years and what we are now seeing is a continuation of that process.

However, I think the urgency to vaccinate everyone has nothing to do with the obscene profit that Gates and others will make, but is primarily targeted at gaining acceptance for bio metric ID and other control methods. And I think the controllers know they must act quickly to enforce this, before people can become aware enough to resist.

Whew! a few weeks ago I would have dismissed these ideas as the wildest conspiracy theory.

112215 ▶▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Kate, 11, #49 of 1147 🔗

Just.a reminder that the pejorative term “conspiracy theory” was coined in 1967 by the CIA to ridicule anyone who doubted the Warren Report into the assassination of JFK.

https://steemit.com/history/@thelastheretik/cia-coined-and-weaponized-the-label-conspiracy-theory

A body of thought becomes a conspiracy theory when TPTB don’t want you to join the dots.

112223 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Carrie, 6, #51 of 1147 🔗

Then he grins manically. If he’d started rubbing his hands in glee I wouldn’t have been surprised.

112160 ▶▶ Kate, replying to richard riewer, 4, #52 of 1147 🔗

Please everyone watch this!

112014 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 58, #53 of 1147 🔗

A senior mental health practitioner tells me that Management insist that all face to face interactions must be behind masks. This means she cannot use her skills at reading her patients facial features to judge what state of mind they are really in.

Her patients (many of them Sectioned) regard her mask as part the hostile process that is being imposed upon them.

112025 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to karenovirus, 6, #54 of 1147 🔗

This varies between NHS Trusts and local authorities.

112030 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tom Blackburn, 11, #55 of 1147 🔗

As does access to maternity departments to soon-to-be fathers, not a problem locally but it’s been posted here that in some areas they are told to wait outside in the car ffs.

112031 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to karenovirus, 13, #56 of 1147 🔗

I should’ve added – and individual practitioners. Agree, it is shocking that father’s cannot go to scans. Probably yet another breach of the right to a private and family life though these rights all went for a Burton a long time ago.

112032 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to karenovirus, 41, #57 of 1147 🔗

Her patients (many of them Sectioned) regard her mask as part the hostile process that is being imposed upon them.”

they are not wrong there

112220 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Sophie123, 8, #58 of 1147 🔗

Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you.

112033 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to karenovirus, 31, #59 of 1147 🔗

Well they are not wrong!
In fact I would point out that her patients seem a lot less mad than the management

112043 ▶▶▶ Tjs123, replying to 6097 Smith W, 15, #60 of 1147 🔗

And it is management and not generally front line nurses and doctors who are imposing these “rules”.

112610 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tjs123, 4, #61 of 1147 🔗

Like the Cabinet, they are so divorced from the front line that they can’t even start to imagine the effects of their rulings.

113091 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheezilla, #62 of 1147 🔗

Back in the day hospitals used to be managed by senior medics. Now I understand that the he career ladders of practitioners and managers are entirely separate.

112209 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 33, #63 of 1147 🔗

For me people in masks really cranks my tractor psychologically speaking. It utterly kills me. It is a unavoidable signal of how the wearer is totally brainwashed and believes the evil tale that has been told to them and is willingly supporting a very obvious tranny.

This is causing me huge difficulties with my mental well being. Lucky for me I think I am very resilient in my mental health. I think my mental health’s immune system has been “vaccinated” or bolstered by a variety of life long daily challenges for me as to how I fit in with the world. I don’t generally. I can deal with it.

However if I was more mentally unstable and even now I know that dealing with PPE clad mental health workers would almost certainly cause me huge psychological stress. I know it would make any mental health issues I had 100 times worse.

For me dealing with masked wearers is almost intolerable, so much so that I avoid as much as possible any contact with these fools that are everywhere now.

If I were detained against my will in an environment where PPE clad workers was the norm I really don’t think I could take it at all. It’s a nightmare scenario.

112259 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Two-Six, 10, #64 of 1147 🔗

That her wearing a mask was likely to make the patient less stable was.one of the points the mental health worker was making.

112599 ▶▶▶ Gillian Swanson, replying to Two-Six, 13, #65 of 1147 🔗

We usually do a big weekly shop at Morrison’s in the evening, when there are relatively few other customers, and by focussing studiously on the shelves you can avoid seeing too many masks. We went earlier yesterday, in the afternoon, and it was horrible. Far more customers, and all of them except one, apart from myself, wearing a muzzle. I smiled at the one, and he smiled back – but five minutes later I saw him muzzling up. Don’t know if he had been shamed into this, just lost courage, or had simply forgotten to put it on in the first place. Nearly all the staff were also masked, except when behind their plastic shields at the tills. I don’t know why this upsets me quite so much – I think that, on top of the barrier it creates to normal interaction, it’s despair at the unquestioning docility of all those people. There seem to be more wearing them on the street here, too. Can’t go on public transport either, even with my exempt lanyard, because I couldn’t bear to sit surrounded by faces blanked out by straitjackets for any extended period. No wonder the buses are still almost empty.

113002 ▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Gillian Swanson, 2, #66 of 1147 🔗

I’m the same, Gillian.

113060 ▶▶▶▶ David, replying to Gillian Swanson, 1, #67 of 1147 🔗

Another who thinks the same.

I took my son to hospital yesterday, for a blood test. I was the only person unmasked (along with my 2-year-old son, and, eventually, my partner who got fed up with wearing hers, which made me a little happier).

113093 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Gillian Swanson, #68 of 1147 🔗

Staff muzzling is also a management edict, imposed upon them 3 months after working through what might have been a truly scary epidemic without them.

112600 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 7, #69 of 1147 🔗

Her patients are correct in their assessment!

Face to face interaction is a misnomer. It should be called mask to mask interaction.

112637 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 5, #70 of 1147 🔗

Empathy and awareness of the facts are traits that must be suppressed to keep this charade running smoothly.

112858 ▶▶ rational actor, replying to karenovirus, 8, #71 of 1147 🔗

When I lived in the UK I spent several years as a volunteer mental health advocate. What infuriates me is the fact that until lockdown we still had various celebutards and mediafaces banging on about ‘mental health awareness’, which lasted right up to the point that another cause became more fashionable. It isn’t just that all the pontificating about mental health was shallow and insincere, although that is bad enough, it’s that these same people now have no interest at all in the mental health of people forced to wear or look at masks every day. It’s like this problem doesn’t exist, and if you mention it you get loud moralizing about ‘preventing just one death’. I’m frankly sickened by this, partly because I know that the same old faces will be back mouthing platitudes as soon as they think there will be no social media pushback. Barf.

113036 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to rational actor, 1, #72 of 1147 🔗

The state is concerned about the mental health of people in the UK? The only concern they have is how far can they push people and how fast without A: causing them to fight back, and B: to not notice they are being physiologically coerced C: not causing them to totally breakdown

113100 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Two-Six, 1, #73 of 1147 🔗

In most peoples mind “the more I comply the quicker we will get back to normal”.
Yeah, fat chance.

113097 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to rational actor, #74 of 1147 🔗

They still do a lot of mental health awareness promotion on R2, probably because listeners might not so easily make the link between that and the depressing sight of people wearing soppy masks.

112015 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 21, #75 of 1147 🔗

From the roundup “Scaredy Sir”
From what I remember of my schooldays that Tosser will not survive a week at his new school but it’s his fault since he chose to broadcast his bedwettery all over the media.

Covid Jokes.
A caller on yesterdays Jeremy Vine show, in a segment about the Hastings school ban on Covid jokes was not cut off after saying

“Kids are more likely to be struck by lightning than be affected by the Covid…”

The rest of her call, about not policing children’s thoughts, was so effective that the Studio guest had to backtrack on almost everything he had previously said about the new rules being fair, proportionate and in the pupils own interests.
“Nobody is saying that kids can’t tell jokes”.
But he did say just that a few minutes earlier on the grounds that
“Other students may have lost family members to Covid so humour would be inappropriate”.

btw, does anybody know any Covid jokes (excepting members of HMG, SAGE etc) ?

112113 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to karenovirus, 33, #76 of 1147 🔗

Yes, I know a Covid joke.
You won’t get it.

112162 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Alethea, 3, #77 of 1147 🔗

. ?. . LOL.

112130 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to karenovirus, 3, #78 of 1147 🔗

Some good, some terrible ones here:

https://jokojokes.com/coronavirus-jokes.html

112214 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sarigan, 5, #79 of 1147 🔗

I was going to type NOTHING IS FUNNY ANY MORE! but then actually some of these are pretty funny.

“Eminem Coronavirus joke

Apparently, Eminem is rumoured to be diagnosed with Coronavirus

In a statement released by doctors, it has been revealed that his palms were sweaty, knees weak and arms were heavy. He presented with vomit on his sweater already. Initial testing has revealed it was mums spaghetti”

112265 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Two-Six, 2, #80 of 1147 🔗

See the headmistress after school for that two-six

112391 ▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Two-Six, 3, #81 of 1147 🔗

Yeah that was a good’un. Certainly had me ‘proper’ laughing, which hasn’t happened much over the last few months.

112478 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, 2, #82 of 1147 🔗

Too much acid in the tomato sauce.

112185 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to karenovirus, 29, #83 of 1147 🔗

Wife: “I can’t wait till the gyms reopen after lockdown, I feel I’m just getting fat day by day”

Husband: “Don’t worry. You were fat already”

His death was recorded as Covid-19

112266 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #84 of 1147 🔗

Detention for you BeBopRockSteady

112271 ▶▶ Edward, replying to karenovirus, 18, #85 of 1147 🔗

What these anti-joke idiots don’t realise is that humour is a human way of dealing with situations, and isn’t just something to make you feel good. The person telling the joke isn’t necessarily trivialising suffering.

112016 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #86 of 1147 🔗

N hs Louise Hampton – Nurse Whistle blower “Covid19 is BkS!! – MUST WATCH AND SHARE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu5KQtzBRYU&t=1s

112018 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #87 of 1147 🔗

Still only 1.7k views, anyone know a youtuber with more followers ?

112051 ▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #88 of 1147 🔗

Probably accurate for 90 % of the UK nursing staff as the NHS shut down to nearly all admissions apart from Covid on March 16 th She is however a NHS call handler , not a nurse . Their workload would have gone down substantially.

112017 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #89 of 1147 🔗

Top 10 Countries for Death Rates (sources Worldometers website)

1 San Marino
2 Peru – locked down started on 16th March ….
3 Belgium
4 Andorra
5 Spain
6 UK
7 Chile
8 Italy
9 Sweden
10 Brazil

All had severe lock down apart from Sweden and Brazil

112019 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 20, #90 of 1147 🔗

No, we’re not screwing these kids up for life at all.

Could backfire, though. Each generation seems to rebel against the last, so maybe these kids will be freedom-loving, distrustful of arbitrary authority … Maybe?

112020 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RyanM, 16, #91 of 1147 🔗

That would have been my assumption but others here say kids have become so snowflaked by safetyism that it won’t happen.
I remember reports that todays 20somethings don’t do enough alcohol or drugs while not having enough sex to reproduce themselves.

112253 ▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to karenovirus, 2, #92 of 1147 🔗

.

112482 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 4, #93 of 1147 🔗

Put down that smartphone and have a little snog once in awhile.

112868 ▶▶▶ rational actor, replying to karenovirus, 2, #94 of 1147 🔗

The twenty- and thirty-somethings I know are definitely reproducing themselves. Look on the positive side, the dweebs will die out and the world will belong to deplorables with 5 kids each.

113085 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to rational actor, 1, #95 of 1147 🔗

Which the taxpayer will pay for.

112021 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 9, #96 of 1147 🔗

Interesting piece by the Telegraphs Parliamentary sketch writer Michael Deacon on why Education Secretary Gavin Williamson wasn’t sacked for the exams imbroglio. He suggests that it’s so Gav is on hand to be sacrificed when the school return goes belly up.

112023 ▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 9, #97 of 1147 🔗

Hopefully Cummings, Ferguson and Handcock have been retained for just such a purpose when the second wave fails to materialise. The only problem is they will order PCR cycles to run and run until every test is positive…

112379 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 2, #98 of 1147 🔗

I think it’s because he knows where the bodies are buried and has form for leaking secret information

112426 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #99 of 1147 🔗

Looks like Gav going under the bus.
Beeb R2 news 13.00.

OFQUAL today, Wednesday, said Williamson decided to go with the algorithm against their advice and without final consultation. Further they told him that computer predicted grades would be highly unacceptable to parents.

112566 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to karenovirus, 1, #100 of 1147 🔗

Interesting. I seem to recall though the MSM started a fracas in the beginning of this, related to exams – ITV certainly did a lengthy piece where they pushed ‘systemic racism’ as an implication that students, esp. from minority backgrounds, may be inversely targeted if they accepted the teachers’ predictions re:grades.

112630 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #101 of 1147 🔗

Hardly rocket science.

112022 Will, replying to Will, 6, #102 of 1147 🔗

Increasingly the PCR test for covid resembles the unreliable test for TB in cattle. Seek, seek and ye shall find…

112221 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Will, 10, #103 of 1147 🔗

I was talking to a farmer about this. He says the test for bovine TB is free if you use the government reactor test if you get a “positive reactor” in your heard its very very bad news.

Now he says he know a lot of farmers then get their own test done and very often the cow test negative but the damage has been done on a massive scale to them already. Farmers are not allowed or just can’t afford to use the more reliable and expensive tests first.

Many farmers think the bovine TB tests are are massive SCAM.

112024 Will, replying to Will, 53, #104 of 1147 🔗

Another dispiriting day on the children’s oncology ward as my daughter undergoes chemotherapy for autoimmune disease. The people are lovely and well meaning but the systems are shambolic, and that is putting it politely. When a five year old is having an infusion that takes over 8 hours, without the inevitable occlusions etc, you would think that getting going promptly would be a priority. We were there for nearly two hours before the infusion even started…
Fortunately she is a very patient patient but our experience is symptomatic of so much that is wrong with the blessed NHS.

112026 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Will, 29, #105 of 1147 🔗

Best wishes for your daughters return to health Will.

112027 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 20, #106 of 1147 🔗

Thank you. We have a clinic in two weeks which will hopefully confirm it, but she certainly appears to be getting better so the horror of the treatment doesn’t feel quite as cruel.

112039 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Will, 15, #107 of 1147 🔗

Fingers crossed! .. Is this shambles just standard ongoing NHS procedure shambles or is this being exacerbated by the NHS focus on the Covid hordes and everything non Covid being low priority,
Also are the Covid rules that the staff are having to follow making this all a harder thing to bear for your daughter?
At least you could be there- Note posts yesterday about fathers being banned from baby scans etc.

112044 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to mjr, 20, #108 of 1147 🔗

I think things might be getting a touch more sensible with our team as they are, at least, going to allow both parents to come to our clinic in a fortnight. I really am convinced that a significant minority of the NHS know this whole business is a load of bollcks.

112124 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Will, 9, #109 of 1147 🔗

i think it is more than a significant minority but they are too scared of saying anything and being hung out to dry .
I hope you and your daughter get the treatment and outcome you need

112619 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to mjr, 4, #110 of 1147 🔗

I have never known any other organisation which has been so vicious in its’ treatment of whistleblowers as the NHS.

112376 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to mjr, 4, #111 of 1147 🔗

My wife had a scan for a thyroid condition.She was told they can only operate at half capacity due to cleaning of rooms after each patient.

112639 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #112 of 1147 🔗

So much for wearing the magic masks!

112035 rms, replying to rms, 24, #113 of 1147 🔗

Hmm. “OH THE HORROR! Sturgis Motorcycle Rally COVID-19 Numbers Are in and They Are Shocking”.
From https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2020/09/01/oh-the-horror-sturgis-motorcycle-rally-covid-19-numbers-are-in-and-they-are-shocking

From https://www.kotatv.com/2020/08/29/sturgis-mass-testing-results-announced/ included in the above link:

The City of Sturgis conducted mass COVID testing for its citizens after welcoming hundreds of thousands of visitors for the 80th annual Motorcycle Rally. Now, the city is announcing the results.

A total of 650 people took advantage of the free testing, with 26 people testing positive for COVID-19.

All of them were asymptomatic at the time of testing.

Conclusion from the piece (my bold):

Of course, we still need to protect the vulnerable from COVID-19. The latest from the CDC demonstrates that those who are over the age of 65, obese, have diabetes, or other pre-existing conditions need to be cautious. Those who live with these individuals need to protect them by following the CDC guidelines. However, there is a significant portion of the population that can go back to everyday life with confidence. They should be allowed to do so immediately.

112042 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to rms, 8, #114 of 1147 🔗

WoW, that’s worse than Scotland where 15% of the population have been put in lockdown+ as they scraped up a hundred or so new ‘cases’.

112084 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to rms, 8, #115 of 1147 🔗

There goes the lie about obesity and diabetes. It’s dementia and Alzheimer’s, as the primary pre-existing condition, but they don’t want to say it.

112147 ▶▶ Julian, replying to rms, 5, #116 of 1147 🔗

South Dakota. Land of the Free, Sceptic Governor.

112248 ▶▶▶ Arkleston, replying to Julian, 2, #117 of 1147 🔗

Sounds like somewhere over the rainbow viewed from New Jerzystan, land of the largely compliant, Chucklehead in Charge.

112273 ▶▶ Edward, replying to rms, 5, #118 of 1147 🔗

Shock! Horror! 26 people not ill!

112036 Sophie123, replying to Sophie123, 9, #119 of 1147 🔗

Have we talked about the CDC’s admission that only 6% of deaths were from COVID alone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0y6M-N8wOE

112038 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Sophie123, 13, #120 of 1147 🔗

Yes, a few discussions yesterday..

“According to The New York Times, potentially 90 percent of those who have tested positive for COVID-19 have such insignificant amounts of the virus present in their bodies that such individuals do not need to isolate nor are they candidates for contact tracing. Leading public health experts are now concerned that overtesting is responsible for misdiagnosing a huge number of people with harmless amounts of the virus in their systems.”
“’Most of these people are not likely to be contagious…’ warns The Times.”
Yes, that’s what the NY Times is confessing (8/29): “Some of the nation’s leading public health experts are raising a new concern in the endless debate over coronavirus testing in the United States: The standard tests are diagnosing huge numbers of people who may be carrying relatively insignificant amounts of the virus. Most of these people are not likely to be contagious…”
“In three sets of testing data…compiled by officials in Massachusetts, New York and Nevada, up to 90 percent of people testing positive carried barely any virus, a review by The Times found.”
Let me break this down for you, because it’s a lot worse than the Times admits. The rabbit hole goes much deeper—and I’ve been reporting on the deeper facts for months.
The issue appears to be the ballooning sensitivity of the PCR test. It’s so sensitive that it picks up inconsequential tiny, tiny amounts of virus that couldn’t harm a flea—and it calls these amounts “positive.”
Therefore, millions of people are labeled “positive/infected” who carry so little virus that no harm would come to them or anyone they come in contact with.
That would be bad enough. But the truth is, the PCR test is not able to produce ANY reliable number that reflects how much virus a person is carrying. A lot, a little, it doesn’t matter.

https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/09/01/covid-test-overwhelming-number-of-false-positives/

112495 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to 2 pence, #121 of 1147 🔗

Thanks for your two pence worth.

112037 mjr, replying to mjr, 32, #122 of 1147 🔗

BBC breakfast trying desperately to define the new normal for schools

Tame doctor telling how glad her children are to be going back and how pleased she is that the school are implementing such a strong clean and mask policy (she says her 9 year old has been masking for weeks).

She also commented that she has been seeing lots of patients (really – a GP seeing patients???) and is now putting lots of illnesses down to being post covid problems (she said she had covid in February and still doesnt have sense of taste back) – chest problems , fatigue etc.

Then showing a bus company gearing up for school run.. 2 pages of instructions, masks, distancing ,bus cleaning .

Then to top it all Alistair campbell (and partner) on his depression. The man who made everyone else depressed

Thanks BBC for making my depression worse

112047 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to mjr, 20, #123 of 1147 🔗

All this “hand sanitiser” nonsense.

9:05 “Oh dear I’ve touched something – I must sanitise my hands”

9:11 “Oh dear I’ve touched something again – I must sanitise my hands again

9:16 “Oh dear I’ve touched something again – I must sanitise my hands again

9:21 “Oh dear I’ve touched something again – I must sanitise my hands again

9:23 “Oh dear I’ve touched something again – I must sanitise my hands again

9:29 “Oh dear I’ve touched something again – I must sanitise my hands again

9:34 “Oh dear I’ve touched something again – I must sanitise my hands again

9:45 “Oh dear I’ve touched something again – I must sanitise my hands again

9:46 “Oh dear I’ve touched something again – I must sanitise my hands again

9:48 “Oh dear I’ve touched something again – I must sanitise my hands again

112053 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 25, #124 of 1147 🔗

Oh dear. What’s this rash on my fingers?

112055 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to PastImperfect, 14, #125 of 1147 🔗

Might be Covid. Better get tested.

112494 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #126 of 1147 🔗

That’s some visitors in the museum where I work:

Entrance – Ooooohhhh……there’s a hand sanitiser point – must sanitise my hands

Welcome area – Ooooohhhh……there’s a hand sanitiser point – must sanitise my hands again

Multi-media collection area – Ooooohhhh……there’s a hand sanitiser point – must sanitise my hands again

Galleries – Ooooohhhh……there’s a hand sanitiser point – must sanitise my hands again

Multi-media return area – Ooooohhhh……there’s a hand sanitiser point – must sanitise my hands again

Goes to the toilets and washes hands

Exit – Ooooohhhh……there’s a hand sanitiser point – must sanitise my hands again

112791 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #127 of 1147 🔗

In my building, we have an entrance – sanitiser station – people go straight to the toilet – we prop the main door open so no need to touch a door – on the way out of toilet they exit the building – sanitiser station, both get used.
i always think, do you wash your hands at home before you go the toilet?
Why do you sanitise your hand after you have been to the toilet, I hope you washed your hands!!

112942 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Silke David, 3, #128 of 1147 🔗

That always baffled me, surely they wash their hands after using the toilet so why sanitise again?

That said I’ve seen those who are muzzled who don’t use wash their hands after using the toilet. Probably thinks that being muzzled gave them the licence not to wash their hands!

114196 ▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #129 of 1147 🔗

One of my friends son went to school today, Y5.
He said that they washed their hands all day. That’s all he remembered.

112048 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to mjr, 11, #130 of 1147 🔗

She can’t have much taste if she is on the British brainwashing channel

112050 ▶▶ matt, replying to mjr, 37, #131 of 1147 🔗

I’m now 9 weeks BBC Breakfast free and a much happier man for it. Give it a try, mjr.

112226 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to matt, 4, #132 of 1147 🔗

Every day in every way you are getting better and better.

113118 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, #133 of 1147 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKkC8nHYjQ
Ken Nordine: You’re getting better

112652 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to matt, 3, #134 of 1147 🔗

I’ve never understood how people could stomach any kind of tv at breakfast time.

112871 ▶▶▶ steve, replying to matt, 5, #135 of 1147 🔗

Since March for me.
Gave up after bbc was reading a letter from someone asking about coronabollox.
The talking head said she should not bake a cake for their elderly neighbour in case the virus on the tin killed her.

The Last man to enter parliament with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes

112052 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to mjr, 24, #136 of 1147 🔗

Cancelling the TV licence was one of my best decisions. I don’t miss it one bit; the above describes such a soul destroying way to start the day.

112057 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to mjr, 7, #137 of 1147 🔗

So everything will be put down to post-covid effects now unless someone happens upon a GP who is genuinely caring and thorough. Goodbye differential diagnosis. Will help with waiting list figures, no doubt.

112072 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #138 of 1147 🔗

Radio 4 this morning introduced Prayer For Today by referencing wankocks plan to make on-line GP consultations the norm. The CofE Cleric then told us how wonderful that would be.

112096 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to karenovirus, 13, #139 of 1147 🔗

Makes sense… Our relationship with the NHS is the same as a persons relationship with God.
You have to believe that it exists, that when you speak to it, it listens, and believe that it has a positive effect of your life.
And of course they are both religions and have sects that are “happy clappers”

112654 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #140 of 1147 🔗

Like those wonderful online church services.

113122 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, #141 of 1147 🔗

A lot of hooey.

112060 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mjr, 6, #142 of 1147 🔗

I’m so glad not to have watched that abomination for 15 years now and looks like its gotten worse.

112061 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #143 of 1147 🔗

someones got to keep you up to date!!! Anyway, at the point when i am about to throw the tv out of the window i switch off .
Seriously though, i do watch a little of the BBC news occasionally just to see what the latest message is. I always work on the basis that if their lips are moving they are lying.
It is those that watch open mouthed taking it all in that need to watch something else

112064 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to mjr, 6, #144 of 1147 🔗

I go onto their website, scroll through the headlines and skim through the stories. And that’s it.

113125 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, #145 of 1147 🔗

I used to read The Guardian, from March up until a month ago. I stopped, couldn’t take it anymore.

112088 ▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to mjr, 3, #146 of 1147 🔗

Taking one for the team?

112094 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Strange Days, 5, #147 of 1147 🔗

correct … my brain is already frazzled.. i am immune !!!

112372 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to mjr, 5, #148 of 1147 🔗

I use the MSM to see what idiocy they are planning next.I find they float a policy,gauge the reaction then decide whether to proceed.

112660 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mjr, 1, #149 of 1147 🔗

You can skim the Guardian headlines and get the same bollox for free in less than 5 minutes.

112073 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #150 of 1147 🔗

15 years TV poverty likewise

112075 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 2, #151 of 1147 🔗

Yep. And I feel good for it.

112435 ▶▶▶▶ watashi, replying to karenovirus, 5, #152 of 1147 🔗

44 years free of tel- lie-vision here.

112496 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to watashi, 1, #153 of 1147 🔗

Brilliant!!!!

112067 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, 7, #154 of 1147 🔗

Let’s hope her 9 year old has a very pretty madk to show her friends.

Meanwhile on steam Radio beeb 4 07.45, brave mum announced to the world that she will no longer be hugging the kids because of the increased risk from going back to school.

112213 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to karenovirus, 8, #155 of 1147 🔗

Well, that will do their emotional development a great deal of good.

112881 ▶▶▶ rational actor, replying to karenovirus, 3, #156 of 1147 🔗

I’m aware of a couple who haven’t kissed since March because of the scare. I can’t fathom how you let bullshit rule your life in this way.

On a related note, if this really were the Black Death I’m guessing we’d have a shortage of noble souls nursing the dying. All this posturing about protecting others is enabled only by the fact that none of them are really being expected to do anything at all except don the face clout and criticize others.

113108 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to rational actor, #157 of 1147 🔗

Presumably they conduct carnal relations wearing latex skin suits… , (no that’s enough).

113126 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, #158 of 1147 🔗

A new twist in Carnal Knowledge.

112102 ▶▶ Alison9, replying to mjr, 13, #159 of 1147 🔗

Couldn’t resist a quote from the 1976 film Network – and a link to the scene (I’ve also linked to the other great scene from this film) – the network has just been taken over by a ruthless corporation and Peter Finch’s character (a maverick presenter) is talking to the audience.

“We’ll tell you any sh*t you want to hear. We deal in illusions, none of it is true. You people sit there day after day, night after night, all ages, colours.  We’re all you know.  You’re beginning to believe the illusions we’re spinning here. You’re beginning to think that the tube is reality and your own lives are unreal.  You do whatever the tube tells you. You dress like the tube, you raise your children like the tube.  You even think like the tube.  This is mass madness. You maniacs. YOU people are the real thing. We are the illusion”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTN3s2iVKKI (Television scene)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxiT30N6ti4 (International business)

112120 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Alison9, 3, #160 of 1147 🔗

“…. a Ruthless Corporation” — The BBC?
This should be the pitch for the new BBC Director General

112132 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Alison9, 8, #161 of 1147 🔗

I’m mad as hell and I’m not taking it any more.

112173 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to bluemoon, 2, #162 of 1147 🔗

That should be the new Thursday night thing as per the movie.

113128 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to bluemoon, #163 of 1147 🔗

Instead of clapping for the NHS shout I’m mad as hell and I’m not taking it any more. Send emails with that message to your councils, MPs, the PM, Cockup, Whitty, Vallance, Patel …

112224 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mjr, 3, #164 of 1147 🔗

The BBC will give you brain cancer.

113106 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, #165 of 1147 🔗

Just as well you were not watching ITV where Phillip Schofield and Holly Willoughby enjoyed a smooch from either side of a polythene blanket with ‘arms’ of the type used to handle uranium.

h/t youtuber Carl Vernon, not to be confused with Vernon Coleman.

112106 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #167 of 1147 🔗

This grant is contingent upon grantees giving right of first refusal of vaccines directly to COVAX, which of course is backed by billionaire eugenicist Bill Gates.’

Good description of Bill G!

112129 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Carrie, #168 of 1147 🔗

Careful what you say, our Toby is a eugenicist.

112152 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to JohnB, 1, #169 of 1147 🔗

Er… buh?

112168 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to matt, 1, #170 of 1147 🔗

?

112182 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to JohnB, 1, #171 of 1147 🔗

Was a bit confused by the sudden accusation. Never heard that particular slur before and unsure where it’s come from.

112205 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to JohnB, 2, #173 of 1147 🔗

Ah, right. So we’re redefining the term to include the idea of supporting the disadvantaged to improve their life chances and social mobility? Fair enough.

112928 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to matt, -1, #174 of 1147 🔗

Which is the same as what Gates is trying to achieve through his foundation.

112045 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 16, #175 of 1147 🔗

A post on Sir John Redwood’s blog:

O/t Due to a local lockdown that was imposed last night in Glasgow and East Renfrewshire I cannot meet my daughter at her house. Bizarrely it would be lawful to meet her in a pub, as the pubs are authorised to remain open. How crazy is that? Does it make any sense whatsoever?

******************************************************************************************
Coercive Control

Isn’t that against the law now?

Where are those World Class Human Rights Lawyers Cherie Blair and Amal Clooney when you need them?

112058 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #176 of 1147 🔗

Those “world class human rights lawyers” don’t care a fig about us because we don’t gratify their vanity and messianic complex.

112499 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #177 of 1147 🔗

How about Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer? Crickets.

112046 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 6, #178 of 1147 🔗

All the kids at that school in Hastings (and everywhere) should watch this video

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=george+carlin+immune+system&&view=detail&mid=7B17649370F39A06CA377B17649370F39A06CA37&rvsmid=6E4FAC9A6DB76B250DCA6E4FAC9A6DB76B250DCA&FORM=VDQVAP

Unfortunately, I suspect that it would be too sophisticated for them.

112105 ▶▶ Alison9, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #179 of 1147 🔗

I so wish he was around now.

112111 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #180 of 1147 🔗

Thanks for this – not come across this guy before:
“What do you have an immune system for? To kill germs. But it needs practice!”

112264 ▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to BTLnewbie, 5, #181 of 1147 🔗

Not come across George Carlin before?? Have you been living under a rock?? I actually envy you to be honest, because you now have the delight of experiencing 50+ years of his material for the first time. Enjoy!

112049 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 21, #182 of 1147 🔗

For what it’s worth (probably nothing) I have written to the Parliamentary Health & Social Care Committee;

To Parliamentary Health & Social Care Committee             2 September 2020
From Mr S A Martindale

Call for an Inquiry into Corona-virus Testing

I am writing to request that the Health & Social Care committee urgently conducts an inquiry into the testing system that underpins so much of the current actions to control Covid 19.
The PCR RNA test being used to look for the SARS-Cov2 virus has been successfully used in many areas but usually as part of a professional analytical or diagnostic process. The Pillar 2 testing procedure in the UK has seen an unprecedented ramping up of PCR testing to a large mass scale procedure with test results taken as definitive with no cross reference to professionals to confirm the apparent presence of disease.

Anomalies and false results which are known to exist with this test are thus amplified by this mass testing and with no professional checks are simply fed into the system, the results of which are used for local lockdowns and other Public Health measures which are being implemented at great cost to society.

The statistical significance of the +ve tests results (reported as cases) does not seem to be properly taken into account and they are just announced as fact. However, the number of tests being conducted and the known factors influencing test results means that these figures should be subject to rigorous statistical scrutiny before being released.

PCR tests are very sensitive and complex and if the amplification cycles are increased are in danger of being over-sensitive. There needs to be some standardisation of the conduct and procedures for this testing process to ensure the results are sufficiently robust to be used in making serious decisions on public health policy. Also some of the PCR testing procedures do not seem to be able to distinguish between live active virus and inactive RNA remnants which are present in many cases.

These are not just my personal views but are the concerns of many professionals and experts in the field who have written about this matter in recent weeks. Consequently I feel that the Parliamentary Health & Social Care Committee should urgently instigate a full multi-disciplinary inquiry into the PCR RNA testing system currently underpinning much of the UK’s efforts to control Covid 19.

Thank you, Mr S A Martindale, Edgefield, Dolton, N.Devon EX19 8QT martindale567@gmail.com

112054 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #183 of 1147 🔗

PCR tests are treated like tenperature anomalies to justify climate change policies. Data with high error and uncertainty, unworkable signal to noise, yet taken as gospel.

All those hottest year eva proclaimations? How about rising “cases”?

See how it works now. This thinking has prevaled a lot longer than this year

112269 ▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to mhcp, 2, #184 of 1147 🔗

I second this comment.

112204 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #185 of 1147 🔗

Might you also copy to the Chair of the Commons Science and Technology Committee, Greg Clarke? They have held a few sessions already, interrogating Ferguson, Vallance et al.

112272 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bruno, #186 of 1147 🔗

Making sure they’ve all got the same script more likely.

112056 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 29, #187 of 1147 🔗

Everyone should accept this is about control. The ‘virus’ would not have been noticed if they hadn’t told us. The rich and elite see a better world for themselves if the plebs are controlled in every way. The Vax ID, and in reality the vaccination could be anything as we only know we have it if tested and the test results are vague and imprecise, will do this, it gains the approval of the Climate Change Lobby and the Vax Foundations who can afford to subsidise those willing to advance their cause.

112080 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #188 of 1147 🔗

Saw a YouTube clip this morning where a Chinese chap with traffic light ‘health’ status app had been designated Red so his life comes to a July. No appeal against the algorithm, then is mysteriously designated green again so back to work and shopping. He has no idea why.

112087 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to karenovirus, 3, #189 of 1147 🔗

I guess, until they reduce the world population, controlling when and how people do stuff, makes it a better place for the rich to live in, as they seem to do what they want when they want.

112091 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to karenovirus, 5, #190 of 1147 🔗

…his life comes to a July…. ??? That is surreal.. or one hell of a typo ….. 🙂

112095 ▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to mjr, 5, #191 of 1147 🔗

The unexpected found poetry of autocorrect

112103 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, 2, #192 of 1147 🔗

Posting while out and about, as Strange Days say, = autocorrect. Same sort of tech that is Correcting the life of the guy in my post.

112509 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 2, #193 of 1147 🔗

Exterminate autocorrect. Exterminate autocorrect.

112099 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 3, #194 of 1147 🔗

Came to a halt!

112109 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to karenovirus, 2, #195 of 1147 🔗

I assumed that it was halt or stop ….. I just cannot understand how “July” would end up there which is why i asked

112275 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, 1, #196 of 1147 🔗

Qwerty, j next to h, y next to t.
Android keypad but I don’t even have podgey fingers!

112137 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to karenovirus, 4, #197 of 1147 🔗

Reminds me of a game I used to play back in the 80s – Paranoia.

“Paranoia features a security clearance system based on colours of the visible spectrum which heavily restricts what the players can and cannot legally do; everything from corridors to food and equipment have security restrictions. The lowest rating is Infrared, but the lowest playable security clearance is Red; the game usually begins with the characters having just been promoted to Red grade. Interfering with anything which is above that player’s clearance carries significant risk.
Within the game, Infrared-clearance citizens live dull lives of mindless drudgery and are heavily medicated, while higher clearance characters may be allowed to demote or even summarily execute those of a lower rank and those with Ultraviolet clearance are almost completely unrestricted and have a great deal of access to The Computer; they are the only citizens that may (legally) access and modify the Computer’s programming, and thus Ultraviolet citizens are also referred to as “High Programmers”. Security clearance is not related to competence but is instead the result of The Computer’s often insane and unjustified calculus of trust concerning a citizen.”

I never in my wildest dreams thought that we’d actually be veering towards a Paranoia-world.

112279 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #198 of 1147 🔗

The up and running system in China is not just about your health. Your rating is also dependent on.your social and legal behaviour, membership of the CCP, smoking or drinking too.much and much.more besides .
When posting about this some days ago it was suggested that the trials for the app decided your ability to buy loo rolls, or not.

112513 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mr Dee, #199 of 1147 🔗

Too many people are paranoid, thats why we’re in this mess.

113340 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to richard riewer, #200 of 1147 🔗

I beg to differ – too many people are credulous. They’ll believe any old nonsense the government and / or MSM feed them.

112108 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #201 of 1147 🔗

The madness of the last 6 months really only makes any kind of sense if you accept that it is about more than ‘just’ a virus..

112516 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Carrie, 3, #202 of 1147 🔗

That’s because it is more than just a virus. Too many coincidences and too many people jumping on the bandwagon week after week.

112142 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #203 of 1147 🔗

Welcome to the plantation.

112059 Basics, replying to Basics, 14, #204 of 1147 🔗

Won’t Cristopher Witty need to be reoved from post when the manslaighter/treason trials take place? Surely it is only practical sense. Another one who cannot handle the heat in the kitchen they built.

112112 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 1, #205 of 1147 🔗

That shower could not build a kitchen,
more like a badly dug latrine.

112174 ▶▶ Kate, replying to Basics, 3, #206 of 1147 🔗

Who is going to do this? The power to hold these people to account for their decisions no longer exists.

112188 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Kate, 4, #207 of 1147 🔗

I agree. I am in favour of a peoples inquiry – held by the people. There’s one going on in Germany at present which is streamed live.

If some one has the link for this please can you add.

Obvious limitations to what can be looked into without the Christopher Whitty’s of tge world appearing on oath (haha) but these things ard hugely important.

112283 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Basics, 6, #208 of 1147 🔗

That’s my view as well. An official enquiry may pick up on a few things which could have been done better but will essentially be the establishment marking its own homework. A people’s enquiry needs some high level legal and medical representatives to give it credibility, plus grass roots representation to describe what actually happened to people’s lives.

112309 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Edward, 4, #209 of 1147 🔗

We can really make this happen.

112804 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Basics, 2, #210 of 1147 🔗

Youtube channel called Brera.
Acu2020.org
Auuserparlamentarischer Untersuchungsaussschuss. Mainly doctors.

or: Oval media This is led by lawyers

112941 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Silke David, #211 of 1147 🔗

Thanks

112062 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 10, #212 of 1147 🔗

I remember years ago a project called Biosphere 2 where a group of 8 spent a year or two living under a glass dome. The idea was to test the viability of colonizing space living in a dome that was basically a mini Earth. I don’t remember all the specifics of the project but you can read up on it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2

There was one problem in particular that I remember and that was air leakage (not particularly desirable in space or a planet with a hostile environment). If there was a hole 1cm in diameter in the glass that would be relatively easy to fix. Now imagine 10 thousand holes 1/10000th of a cm in diameter leaking out the same amount of air. A very different problem altogether.

Unless every hole is blocked some air will eventually escape and this is how I see the virus problem, in particular attempts to erradicate it. It is simply not possible to block every possible route of transmission, if you block one hole the virus simply gets in through another hole. If the holes are different sizes you may be able to block the more obvious holes first and slow the transmission but it will still get through the smaller holes undetected. You would only know once somebody becomes infected.

Suffice to say, my opinion on erradication or zero-covid is that it is an ideology and not a rational concept.

112121 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nobody2020, 8, #213 of 1147 🔗

I have ‘O’ level Biology so learned it’s impossible to eradicate a virus. Should I write to Mr Johnson to let him know ?

112164 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to karenovirus, 3, #214 of 1147 🔗

Well you can tell him, but will he know? An epistemological question.

112521 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 2, #215 of 1147 🔗

Yes, please do.

112207 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #216 of 1147 🔗

Correct. Now, if only old Jacinda could understand that concept we might start getting somewhere.

112322 ▶▶ Graham, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #217 of 1147 🔗

“If there was a hole 1cm in diameter in the glass that would be relatively easy to fix. Now imagine 10 thousand holes 1/10000th of a cm in diameter leaking out the same amount of air.”

Sorry to be pedantic, but here goes 😉 a hole 1/10,000th of a cm in diameter has an area that is 1/100,000,000th (one hundred millionth) of the area of a hole 1cm in diameter. So ten thousand of them would give an area 1/10,000th of the bigger hole. But I take your general point.

112326 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Graham, #218 of 1147 🔗

I could have put 10 thousand times smaller I guess. lol

112063 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #219 of 1147 🔗

Another great update!

Had to laugh at the following:

  • the bloody cheek of that school to threaten students for making jokes when I bet they can’t be arsed to do their proper job such as making sure that kids learn and enforcing zero tolerance policies for real issues such as bullying
  • Chris Whitty throwing a tantrum and threatening to resign if people went back to work. Go ahead dear, you ain’t Maria Callas. No one cares and actually we will be happy to see the back of you then later we can throw you in jail or inflict some punishment on you for the misery you have caused
  • The NHS living up to its new name of the No Health Service or No Hope Service

As for Weatherspoons what I’ve read about it disappointing but it does seem to vary from branch to branch as the one I’ve been to are relaxed about the whole thing.

112116 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #220 of 1147 🔗

As I wrote last night, the definition of ‘joke’ can easily be ‘re-framed’ by the school to include any comments like ‘This corona-stuff is all a load of cr*p, sir’, followed by actual FACTS to back up the comment.. Also the spreading of *facts* amongst pupils, which will be re-defined as ‘dangerous false information designed to undermine the school’s policy’, or similar..and lead to suspension, expulsion etc..

112131 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Carrie, 6, #221 of 1147 🔗

School Exclusions for wrongthink about lockdown would seem a certainty, welcome to your Brave New World kids.

112144 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Carrie, 5, #222 of 1147 🔗

Agree. Its also censorship all but in name.

No wonder kids are leaving school illiterate and innumerate – they’ve strayed too far from their core task.

113131 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, #223 of 1147 🔗

Queer Theory for five year olds. Revolting. Nauseating. Perverted.

112128 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #224 of 1147 🔗

Same idle promise the luvvies made if Trump/Boris/Brexit won at the polls, sadly all still with us.

112141 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 3, #225 of 1147 🔗

Yep. Still waiting for those plastic Paddies/Germans/Italians etc to take advantage of the last days of free movement to up sticks and settle in their new countries.

112747 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #226 of 1147 🔗

They’ve probably been given the hard word by EHOs or similar, especially if word was getting round that they were acting old-normally.

113130 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, #227 of 1147 🔗

Whitty had another fitty?

112065 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 16, #228 of 1147 🔗

The Scottish government said it was common for other viral infections to circulate after a “prolonged break” away from school.
If this is the case then are they suggesting that all the social distancing, masks, bubbles, phased start & finish times, wearing PE kit all day etc etc… are not effective in controlling the spread of viruses??

112074 ▶▶ Biker, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 22, #229 of 1147 🔗

The Scottish Government don’t know what they are doing. Sturgeon is possibly the Dumbest person to have ever held office in a western nation, matched only by the kind of muppet that votes for her. If she were a shop she’d be one of them shops that have appeared in the old Woolies buildings selling plastic pish to smelly lower classes who have handled control of their own thoughts to someone who wears clothes that look like they were bought from What Everyone Wants. I can stand many things but i can’t stand people with no style, people who eat frozen food or drink Monster or wear sportswear while not engaged in physical activities. The kind of person that uses the grooming gang shops and comes out with a blue bag of death containing four tins of lager/cider you’ve never heard of, a loaf of white bread, stork margarine and six eggs.

112705 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Biker, 2, #230 of 1147 🔗

Most excellent! A double dose of Biker!

112133 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #231 of 1147 🔗

No, but they are effectively saying all the lockdown nonsense just puts things off a bit, not that any of the pupils will be directly affected by the Covid in any case.

112189 ▶▶ Youth_Unheard, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #232 of 1147 🔗

The fact that anyone should get ill anymore, and the stories you hear always appear to be the most double down zealots there are, seems to suggest that the measures don’t actually make a difference to catching anything….

112752 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Youth_Unheard, 1, #233 of 1147 🔗

Except hysteria.

112749 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 1, #234 of 1147 🔗

Thye are unfortunately impervious to irony.

112066 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 11, #235 of 1147 🔗

I heard on BBC Radio 4 this morning (Explanation: It’s my alarm, and always gets me so livid I get up and away as quickly as I can.) that Astro-Zenica was preparing to go into production with its new vaccine, (the ferrets died didn’t they).

And I’m incandescent about the stupid waste of money, effort and production resources when there is a bloody good treatment – Hydroxychloroquine.

To stop this mad rush to stick needles in us all, we need to get many more people aware that there is a safe, effective and inexpensive alternative to the dodgy vaccines.

Am I RedPill001?

Will anyone help to get the ball rolling?

112083 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to PastImperfect, 6, #236 of 1147 🔗

It could be water they were injecting, no one knows they have ‘covid’ until tested and the tests are vague and inconclusive, but the vax cert. will do the trick with the control side of it

112107 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #237 of 1147 🔗

To myself … seems like The COVID-19 Assembly is a place to start.

112175 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to PastImperfect, 5, #238 of 1147 🔗

Yes, signed up yesterday and got a reply this morning. Time to take action.

mail@covid19assembly.org

112068 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 8, #239 of 1147 🔗

Surprise surprise, from tomorrow anybody travelling back from Greece to Scotland now has to quarantine for 2 weeks.

Does anybody believe this shit anymore.

112082 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to stefarm, 7, #240 of 1147 🔗

Well Boris’s dad is back from Greece now, so it could be true

112526 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Dan Clarke, #241 of 1147 🔗

Just in the nick of time.

112085 ▶▶ mjr, replying to stefarm, 10, #242 of 1147 🔗

its the new game, brought to you via your governments called Quarantine lottery.
Rules are .. you pick a location, book a holiday, then just before you go on holiday or even when you are there, your destination country is suddenly added to the quarantine list. Depending on timing.. do you cancel? Do you leave early? Do you ignore the quarantine?

112086 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to stefarm, 4, #243 of 1147 🔗

Heard Swinney sounding evasive on what they will do if figures continue to rise. When politicians start to distance themselves from the policy eg by saying “that is the policy” rather than “our policy is…” it usually means the policy is about to change. The smug Scots Nats are now, like Lockdown Lunatics everywhere across the globe, meeting reality and having to grapple with reality rather than the cartoon villain Covid of their imaginations, so easily despatched with a Lockdown fist or a Magic Mask.

112136 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to stefarm, #244 of 1147 🔗

Come back to England instead, you’re safer here anyway.

112202 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to karenovirus, 6, #245 of 1147 🔗

Still trying to understand how anything to do with foreign travel became a devolved issue when your passport doesn’t say which part of the UK you are from.

112294 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to kf99, 6, #246 of 1147 🔗

its not where you are from .. it is where the airport is situated . As i understand the current situation, only scotland and wales are quarantining from Greece . England is not.

So because each country can make its own decisions you get the total idiocy that – .
If you live in say Berwick on Tweed, Edinburgh and Newcastle are your closest airports.
If you fly back from Zante to Edinburgh you have to return to Berwick and quarantine for 14 days.
If you have flown into Newcastle you can return to Berwick and go about life as normal and infect everybody.

112301 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, 1, #247 of 1147 🔗

…and infect everybody” because Zante is so Covid Calamity ‘they’ don’t even take your temperature on arrival, still less give you a test, before sending you home on public transport, via Sainsbury’s.

112297 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kf99, 1, #248 of 1147 🔗

Sorry kf99, this mornings announcement about Greece was the first I’d heard of it. Has anyone checked the legal basis, if any?

112069 Biker, replying to Biker, 41, #249 of 1147 🔗

The poor woman and her pregnancy story. I feel however that the less she has to do with them the better and all the worries and tests and the rest of the bullshit the NHS does just stresses out people. If anyone thinks that Midwifes are some kind of Virgin Mary sent to earth to care for woman you couldn’t be further from the truth. In my area i know the woman in charge of Midwifery and she’s a total alcoholic and a danger to anyone near her. She’s also a nasty bitch and (it almost goes without saying) fat as fuck. Worst of all she’s got a Facebook group for the Virus ( my old dear tells me since i’m not on Facebook) and is so unbearable at the moment that people have left just to get away from her. Ok she’s my cousin that’s how i know.
I don’t think these wankers in the Government are getting it, six months is a long time and hundreds of thousands of people have died in that time and the rest of us are just heading the same way so we need to get moving. I’m tired of the restrictions, the mass delusion and the panic. We get but a few short summers in our lives and this one is the worst in all my fifty years. It’s clear from how the masses have accept this that very few of us were actually living before this whole nonsense and to them staying in doing nothing but eating, drinking and watching screens is just dandy. A pox on their heads i say. I’m dying here. I calculate that in the six months i’ve lost over 70 gigs for my band, a tour of Russia on my Motorbike, a decent funeral for my friend, my sons education (well i enjoyed home schooling him and he learned a lot about Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance). I have a list of many things i’ve missed out on, my friends have missed out and off course all of you no doubt have the same complaints.
I don’t give understand how we’ve crash landed in this nightmare. We all know the figures and the risks and yet we’ve got people with guns lying on tv and in print about how dangerous it is and how they’ve got to use force to stop me living. It looks like they plan on doing this indefinitely or until they destroy the economy. I just don’t get how they can do this and most people sit around eating Doritos. What will it take for these people to realise? Clearly though it just shows you that older people don’t care one fuck about young people and the young people who’s bones are so soft, their brains barely flicker and who’s bodies are fat and malnourished haven’t the energy to fight back.
I remember Anarchy in the UK, God Save The Queen but i always thought Jonny Rotten nailed it with Pretty Vacant.

112186 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 3, #250 of 1147 🔗

Holidays in the Sun for me.

Then again it’s hard to beat that line from EMI: ‘Blind acceptance is a sign / of stupid [fucking] fools that stand in line’. Or the mental laugh in Belson. Or the whole lyric to Bodies.

112310 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJN, 1, #251 of 1147 🔗

Got listen to the Bollox CD when I get home later, and California Uber Alles

112321 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to karenovirus, 1, #252 of 1147 🔗

Only sceptics are entitled to listen to or own Pistols records – the others aren’t worthy.

112419 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to karenovirus, 2, #253 of 1147 🔗

What about the DK’s ‘Kill the Poor’. In fact, that would make a good theme tune suggestion.

113109 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJN, #254 of 1147 🔗

Seconded

112531 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 2, #255 of 1147 🔗

The Mayor of Los Angeles invited people months ago to snitch. He even promised a reward if they did so. How do these people get to such positions of power? Smoking has been banned everywhere in Beverly Hills. My youngest brother used to work as a bartender at the Daisy Club in the early 70s. One of his frequent customers was cigar smoking Groucho Marx.

112258 ▶▶ Edna, replying to Biker, 4, #256 of 1147 🔗

Pretty Vacant should definitely be the theme song for all the lockdown zealots!

112284 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Biker, 1, #257 of 1147 🔗

Has John Lydon (Johnny Rotten as was) said anything about Covid-19? Doesn’t he live in the USA now?

112552 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Edward, 3, #258 of 1147 🔗

He most definitely does (assuming he’s not moved) live not far from Venice Beach area; I’d be interested too, I’m sure he would have something to say about current events. He became a folk hero to some, when the Governor of CA was waxing lyrical about how brilliant a job he was doing, Lydon did a prominent interview in which he pointed out the city was going to pot – homelessness up, murder rate up, to the point where he & his family were scared to go certain places at certain times. Yes, Johnny Rotten says he was scared,… that got some people’s attention!

112807 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Edward, 2, #259 of 1147 🔗

I’ve heard Jonny is nursing his sick wife, i think she’s got Dementia. I wish him well.

112624 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Biker, 4, #260 of 1147 🔗

Thank you for my daily dose of “Biker”. You are helping to keep me sane.

112809 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to RichardJames, 1, #261 of 1147 🔗

Cheers and i’m big fan of Come To Daddy and saw you perform at the Glasgow Student Union and at Glastonbury

112071 Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 10, #262 of 1147 🔗

GET YOURSELVES ON LBC…I might be on in a minute slagging off facemasks!

112076 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 3, #263 of 1147 🔗

Give them some stick, Rick.

112078 ▶▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to OKUK, 4, #264 of 1147 🔗

I’ll try…but Ferrari can be a slippery customer!

112081 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 5, #265 of 1147 🔗

good to hear him taking the piss out of the bedwetter teacher

112090 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 1, #266 of 1147 🔗

so have you been passed over? I am suffering here having to listen to Therese Coffey .. or did i miss you?

112079 mjr, 7, #267 of 1147 🔗

Re Toby’s piece above “Professor Says Stop Listening to the Experts in Telegraph”

Usually when a photo is used, a note is added re the source. This has not been done here.

For those that are interested, photo is the brilliant John Houseman as a law professor in a US series called “The Paper Chase” He was also in the original film on which the series was based. I remember watching it way back … A brilliant film and series. I think i will watch again.

The sort of thing that the erudite and educated followers of lockdown sceptics will enjoy.

112098 Basics, replying to Basics, 33, #268 of 1147 🔗

David Blunkett. Sky news. Interview this morning. “Zoom is second best.” He went on to essentially say if we are honest with ourselves we need to be meeting in person, zoom is isolating, we are social beings.

112122 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, 10, #269 of 1147 🔗

A blind man such as him will of course be extra-sensitive when it comes to meetings in person – if you lose one sense, all the others get kind of ‘upped’ a notch to compensate..

112779 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, 2, #270 of 1147 🔗

I hate zoom meetings and facetime. My friend insists it’s “just the same”.
I sent her a video of my son and I playing jenga with my granddaughter. Not the same at all!

112101 NigelN, replying to NigelN, 9, #271 of 1147 🔗

Could 16% of Scottish pupils be absent from school with Covid-19?

The graph that I saw certainly showed that non-Covid absentee rates were rising from a low starting point.

Having read the poor mother who wrote in the Telegraph yesterday about quarantine for the whole family after one classmate of one child tested positive, I would sypathise with anyone who, on finding Covid symptoms in the family, simply told the school that their child had picked up a nasty bug (“no, it’s not Covid”) and would be back in a few days.

No test and trace, no house arrest, school continues for the rest of the class. Cases remain low. Everyone is happy.

112139 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to NigelN, 3, #272 of 1147 🔗

Maybe. But it seems that children are often asymptomatic, so probably just the usual bugs doing the rounds. Plus some skiving.

112222 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #273 of 1147 🔗

Having heard some of the disgusting stories about children made to stand outside in rain last week amongst other things should anyone really be surprised that children are being kept at home

113098 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to dpj, 1, #274 of 1147 🔗

Boycott school! Boris will go mental.

112276 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to NigelN, 10, #275 of 1147 🔗

I wonder how many parents are keeping their children away from school to avoid the draconian social distancing measures and mandatory mask-wearing.

112782 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Quernus, #276 of 1147 🔗

I certainly would!

113099 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Quernus, #277 of 1147 🔗

The more the merrier.

112285 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to NigelN, 5, #278 of 1147 🔗

Official line in Scotland is that only 3 symptoms are significant for COVID and therefore action required:

  1. New, continuous cough
  2. fever/high temperature
  3. loss of, or change in, sense of smell or taste

After only a week back at nursery my 4 year old had a runny developed a runny nose a bit of a cold for a couple of days. There was no panic and no demand for her to be tested. I’ve been told that quite a lot of children in Fife (can’t speak for the rest of Scotland) are catching colds and other run of the mill bugs.

112909 ▶▶▶ rational actor, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #279 of 1147 🔗

I’m skeptical about this ‘change in sense of smell or taste’ issue, precisely because it is the type of thing a middle-class attention-seeker would be likely to harp on. It can be pretty easily established that you either have the other symptoms or you don’t, but you can spin out complaints about your sense of taste forever. The booboisie have long used food/restaurant attendance as a status marker, so claiming that they have lost their sense of taste looks to me like another way of highlighting their sensitive, better-than-you nature. This is not to say that this is not a real symptom of something, just that it can be easily manipulated by people who want to engage in covid theatre.

112114 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 26, #280 of 1147 🔗

Covid is a religious faith, a faith which is too weak to tolerate open ridicule. That’s why back in March (I think) a man wearing a plague doctor costume got the police treatment. The medical style masks and other kit that some people wear are far more frightening to children (and the rest of us), so that was never the issue. The issue is that blessed Covid cannot stand ridicule, its adherents need to stamp out blasphemy to protect their own beliefs.

112117 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Ovis, 12, #281 of 1147 🔗

Hence also the need to compel a display of universal belief through mandatory masking.

112123 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Ovis, 11, #282 of 1147 🔗

That’s why we need to mock it relentlessly.

112126 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Mr Dee, -14, #283 of 1147 🔗

Bigot.

112134 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to John P, 15, #284 of 1147 🔗

no one is mocking religion or a persons belief ..
All that is being mocked is the way that Covid is being treated as a religion and that it is then blasphemy to criticise it .

112155 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to John P, 15, #285 of 1147 🔗

I beg your pardon?

I’m meeting a vicar on Friday in order to arrange my baptism. So keep your uninformed (dare I say bigoted) opinions to yourself, Mr Pretty.

We need to mock the Covid ‘faith’ relentlessly because it’s very premise is based on falsity, lies and fear. We need to mock it because it stands for everything that is anti-human. We need to mock it because it stands against everything the Jesus and his followers stood for. Indeed, as a spiritual person I regard the entire thing as Satanic. Literally.

And it is destroying the fabric of our ancient society, including our Churches – one of the reasons I’ve decided to take the plunge and become Baptised is because of my utter horror that the Churches were closed by the State, for the first time since the tyrant King John, 80 years ago. I can no longer sit on the fence, regarding my own spirituality. I can no longer tolerate evil.

So no – I am not a bigot.

112179 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #286 of 1147 🔗

800 years ago!!!!

112262 ▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #287 of 1147 🔗

Is the covid hysteria destroying Churches or is it merely revealing their present state?

112433 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Saved To Death, 3, #288 of 1147 🔗

An ecclesiastical building without a congregation, without music, without song, without prayer, without joy is not a Church. So yes, the hysteria has destroyed our Churches, even if the stones still stand and the stained glass is not smashed.

112664 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Saved To Death, 1, #289 of 1147 🔗

An interesting point you raise there.

112662 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #290 of 1147 🔗

The moment our bed-wetting Christian movement said that there was to be “no singing in Church” I told them in no uncertain terms that they would not see me again (or receive any funding) until this and the mask-wearing edicts are rescinded in full. I said that attempts to stops Christians singing in their own church was indeed Satanic.

In fact, I would have thought that even an atheist would possibly agree.

113088 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to RichardJames, 1, #291 of 1147 🔗

I am. I do.

113089 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to stevie119, 1, #292 of 1147 🔗

I read on here weeks ago about some Christians somewhere having to meet up and have “underground” services. Even as an atheist, that nearly brought tears to my eyes

113110 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RichardJames, #293 of 1147 🔗

Lapsed CofE I still enjoy a good choir.

112194 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to John P, #294 of 1147 🔗

Our favorite Russian bot is back again!

112125 ▶▶ John P, replying to Ovis, -7, #295 of 1147 🔗

“Covid is a religious faith, a faith which is too weak to tolerate open ridicule.”

Hardly. Given that the government and almost 650 Members of Parliament are supporting it, as are governments of other countries.

Peter Hitchens, arguably the most prominent lockdown critic in the media (Toby perhaps excepted) has a religious faith. He is a Church of England Protestant. He frequently gets trolled by fans of his late brother, the celebrated atheist Christopher.

I said this last week. But it seems it needs saying again. People who are involved in organised religion are no more likely to support lockdown than anyone else.

Despite not being a practising Christian myself, I detest bigots like Richard Dawkins who ridicule Christians. People like that have done a great deal of damage to this country and have enabled people like yourself.

112138 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to John P, 13, #296 of 1147 🔗

Please let’s stop attacking each other. Unite around the common cause. This site is a much needed sanctuary of sanity for many people – religious and non- religious.

112148 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Telpin, 4, #297 of 1147 🔗

Agreed. The same goes for the left/right divide. There’s been a bit of spite going on in that regard in recent days – it really doesn’t help if we focus on what divides us rather than unites us.

112200 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Telpin, 4, #298 of 1147 🔗

Totally. Well said Telpin.

No need to be nasty John. (Love you – smooch),

112143 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, 4, #299 of 1147 🔗

I feel similarly about Christianity.

I think the point being made was not to mock religion, it was really that a belief/faith type mindset exists in many people regarding the virus, whereas the virus is something best dealt with by reason, fact, an evidence, true science based approach, along with a rational approach to public health as a whole and the value of liberty.

112216 ▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Julian, 1, #300 of 1147 🔗

Enlightenment values: The sovereignty of reason, constitutional government. Not perfect but far better than any alternative

112197 ▶▶▶ Esther, replying to John P, 20, #301 of 1147 🔗

I am a practising Christian, 100% Bible believing, so in the most ridiculed and accused of being ‘unscientific’ camp. The Christians I know are divided over Covid. Whilst the majority are generally sceptical over BBC trustworthiness when it comes to religious and moral matters, some still trust it when it comes to public information providing and therefore have accepted the pro-lockdown narrative. They also believe that it is their duty to love their neighbour and therefore make sacrifices, going without public worship and wearing masks, to protect others. Some may be anxious themselves if they are vulnerable but as someone rightly said just before lockdown “you can’t scare a Christian with Heaven”.
Christians were also divided when it came to Brexit.
All people are “religious” in the sense of having an ideology or worldview which they will sometimes defend quite irrationally. As religion has declined in the West, other things have taken it’s place as a ‘faith’ for people and I would say people have got more dogmatic and intolerant of differences of belief not less.
I accepted lockdown at the beginning as a temporary measure whilst we got to grips with a ‘new virus’ uncertain of how bad it would be. As time went on I became increasingly concerned that we were overreacting because it wasn’t as serious as first reported. I was also very disturbed by all the suffering we were ignoring to focus on just this one thing. Once I started reading more widely and listening to others opinions I realised we were taking away important liberties and freedoms without any reason to justify it. The one thing I was certain of even from the start was that people would only tolerate this for so long as ‘social distancing’ etc is fundamentally inhuman. God created us to be social beings and we can’t function properly without genuine human interaction. I am very concerned about the mental health fallout from this. I have seen anxious people loose their Covid fear once interacting with friends and family. I think the legal restrictions on household gatherings in ‘local lockdown’ areas is the most insidious part of this. There is nothing normal about the ‘new normal’.

112473 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Esther, 5, #302 of 1147 🔗

I am an atheist, Esther, and would like to say how much I appreciate your thoughtful, articulate and humane post.

112943 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to John P, 1, #303 of 1147 🔗

In common with a number of others on this thread (though not yourself), I am a practising Christian. But you are right to discern that I have quite a lot of time for Dawkins. His memetic theory in particular strikes me as interesting and useful. As for his hostility to religion, I think it is much less dangerous to Christianity than he would like to believe. What does Dawkins say that is so awful? He points out that Christianity is absurd. It’s true, and Dawkins in essence says no more than Porphyry did in (I think) the second century. Yes, Dawkins brings in some genetic theory unavailable to Porphyry, but his work is still in this regard a new riff on a very old theme.

Dawkins is not dangerous. The Christian faith can be purged out of existence, but if you want to know how, look at Syria. Look at the Islamic State, and other more established or gradualist versions of the same pattern. Those guys know what they’re about. Those methods work. But those methods are not advocated by Dawkins. He is perhaps providentially useful, a gadfly to the City of God.

In any case, his memetic theory has made him much more sensitive to the importance of historically developed culture for maintaining the kind of society we want to live in. What he says has become more nuanced, though no less bracing.

113397 ▶▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to John P, #304 of 1147 🔗

You seem to have completely missed the point which Ovis was making. It’s not that religious people are more likely to support lockdowns, it’s that the entire Covid narrative has acquired an air of religiosity. To dissent from the narrative, or even question it, elicits a response akin to that meted out to the blasphemous in centuries past. So, before you start hurling accusations of bigotry, I suggest you sharpen your comprehension skills.

112118 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 6, #305 of 1147 🔗

In my opinion people refer to the NHS as if it’s a single entity. It isn’t, the NHS is the means by which we pay for our health care. Because a hospital is called an NHS trust means they provide services commissioned by the local CCG for NHS patients, the same way a BUPA hospital provides services for BUPA insured patients. Just because there has been poor treatment does not mean that it is because it’s an NHS service, those same people could be working for a private concern. I work for a company providing services for the NHS. All NHS trusts are run as businesses.

112359 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to p02099003, #306 of 1147 🔗

You might have The NHS could provide similar service regardless of location. I have nothing but praise for my GP group practise* and get puzzled when hearing of two week waits to see Doctor elsewhere. I read here and elsewhere of surgeries being closed because Covid while the car park at mine is always full.
I once asked someone who.might know why all local GP services were not so well run but she was unable to give an answer.

*except for asking me to take the winter flu jab in a building I know to be the cattle market.

112119 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 9, #307 of 1147 🔗

I am not a scientist. This is shooting from the hip. Therefore if you can debunk this comment please do so

I was intrigued by the graphs yesterday that show rises in ‘cases’ but no corresponding rise in deaths. This appears to be the opposite to what occurred earlier in the year

Is it all about ‘T’ cells and the bodies immune response?

Could we be operating under the illusion that only some of us became ‘infected’ when in realty nearly all, if not all of us were ‘infected’ and ‘re-infected’ possibly for some on a daily basis?

As I understand it ‘T’ cells attack and destroy our own cells that host the virus

Who are likely to have to have the most efficient “T’ cell response? I would suggest it is children. Who are the most likely due to to their social interactions (school etc) to be most exposed to the virus. Again children I suspect

Could it be that children destroy covid hosting cells so ruthlessly and so efficiently that it appears that children are not ‘infected’ and therefore their bodies do not engage in ‘record keeping’

As we get older our bodies deteriorate including our “T” cell response. This would I suggest account for the number of symptomatic cases and deaths in older people, and those with co morbidities

In theory for example, a bus driver, because of their contact with others could be ‘infected’ and ‘re infected’ every day. The bus drivers ‘T’ cells destroy their covid hosting cells every day. However by day forty for example their ‘T’ response may not be so efficient at it as on day one

Could the graphs be showing not that he virus has muted. The graphs are not showing, I would suggest, that we have become for efficient at halting the spread of ‘infection’

I suspect that what the graphs are showing is that the virus has infected us all and dispatched all those that it was capable of dispatching, and will not dispatch any more

112127 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Cecil B, 4, #308 of 1147 🔗

I suggest reading “The beautiful cure” by Daniel M Davis it goes through the history of the immune systems discoveries. It explains how the different parts work.

112180 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to p02099003, #309 of 1147 🔗

Sounds v interesting. Will look it up.

113132 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to p02099003, #310 of 1147 🔗

Suggest it to the PM and his minions.

112176 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cecil B, 1, #311 of 1147 🔗

I agree with the idea that we have nearly all being infected, and have probably been reinfected several times. This seems most likely gIven one infected person can produce several billion virus particles in one day, even during lockdown the great majority of us have been moving in supermarkets, and so many people are asymptomatic.

Not sure our T cell response will decline… the body is probably put on alert by this constantly mutating novel pathogen. The danger for bus drivers and health or care workers is probably viral load – the risk of you touching a concentrated patch of (non visible) mucus on a surface and then touching your own nose/mouth area.

112135 Basics, replying to Basics, 14, #312 of 1147 🔗

Lorraine the shame. Breakfast TV. Talking to the govs vaccine guru – the one who is full of herself with a background in finance no health background. Glasses, spikey hair.

The vaccine basic safety trials are complete. They are now stepping forward to the efficacy trials.

And so to my point. Last week, the talking head morons where out broadcasting how silly Russia and China were for declaring tgey have a Sars CoV 2 vaccine. The morons of expertise spoke about the aspect of safety needing more the “a few months”. Well, here we are, a few months have passed and the viscious, dangerous conspirators are beaming their message of improperly tested vaccine is a safe and professional methodolgy.

Warp speed vaccine. Never.

112154 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Basics, 6, #314 of 1147 🔗

The only good thing that might come out of all this is that it will shine a light on vaccine safety. Normally, government and media maintain the pretence that “vaccines are safe” which the fooled public interprets to mean “totally safe – no risk of any harmful side effects or significant injury to any child”.

Will it be possible to maintain that pretence with a Covid vaccine.? There’s going to be so much scrutiny. They’ve already had to admit at least that there is a possibility of great harm being caused, whereas normally trials are never publicised.

112171 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to OKUK, 6, #315 of 1147 🔗

And I’d never heard of ‘hazard sheets’ despite having had the flu vaccination a couple of random times. Someone here posted that GPs are supposed to show you one before any vaccination.

112718 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Bruno, 2, #316 of 1147 🔗

Yes, they are. And trust me on this, you’ll never have another vaccination if you ever read one.

112146 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 7, #318 of 1147 🔗

Tim Harford on “More or Less” on R4 trying to be ever so even handed naturally attacks the reporting of zero Covid deaths on 19 August by sceptics like Hitchens and Alisson Pearson. Apparently there was one late reported death for that date. One! Of course he failed to mention that Covid deaths include those people who test positive but then die of other causes within 28 days.
The BBC just can’t help itself!

112153 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Bill Hickling, 3, #319 of 1147 🔗

I used to respect Tim Harford, I suspect that he’s leant on. ☹

112288 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Winston Smith, 1, #320 of 1147 🔗

He does try to be independent and be accurate with the statistics, but there must be some pressure to then couch the stats in such a way that the BBC party line is not compromised

112190 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Bill Hickling, 5, #321 of 1147 🔗

I listened to part of the programme. At least they did debunk that outrageous prediction by some dumbass mathematical modeller that students returning to university will result in 50000 deaths.

112408 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Bill Hickling, 1, #322 of 1147 🔗

He justified BBC non-reporting zero deaths on the basis that death data is always reported late and that in due course a death was reported for that day so, implicitly, it was right to ignore the data originally. However he did not take the opportunity to comment that has caveat applies to all that data and that caveat is rarely mentioned by the BBC.

112149 cloud6, 8, #323 of 1147 🔗

A BBC news report has found out that….

New government regulations come into force on Monday 7th September, that all person’s with their surname beginning with an H or W will have to self isolate for 30 day’s. Professor B Johnson said that in a recent study by the SAGE advisory committee found that cases of positive testing for COVID-19 in this group were more than 200 per 100,000 of population. Professor Johnson said these findings have to be taken seriously for the sake of public health, so anyone found flouting the regulations will be subject to a £5,000 fine.

The Government are keeping this under constant review and further added that if other letters such as P or M were found to have a positive test result then the Government will act at short notice to extend the self isolation period to this group. The Government will review the regulations on 31 December 2020.

112150 bluemoon, 5, #324 of 1147 🔗

I love the idea behind Lockdown Truth. I read the post above eagerly. And I came to the paragraph about distribution of facts and I saw ‘clubs’ and ‘amenity groups’ – no, none of those have re-opened in my neck of the woods. Then village halls, small meetings and workshops – no, doors still firmly closed.
Short of doing a Luther, I can’t see how I can help the cause.

112151 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 10, #325 of 1147 🔗

Gave the posh cafe another try this morning, everything fine.
Nothing to report except that one corner was taken up by a dozen or so teachers having an off the premises meeting/briefing all sat on high bar stools, elbow to elbow around two tables pushed together.

Let’s hope no bunking off pupil is witness to this terrible example of ignoring Social Distancing

112157 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to karenovirus, 22, #326 of 1147 🔗

I was in Kent at the weekend. Had dinner in a seafood restaurant in Hythe on Sunday (early evening) and was stunned to find it was more or less normal – no obvious distancing, nobody in masks (apart from one terrified customer). There was a sign on the wall that if you wanted your waiter to be muzzled you could request it, but nobody had, and the place was so busy they’d had to get the manager’s brother in to help serve. Suggests to me that there’s a real appetite for normality and a lot less fear than the polls claim.

112286 ▶▶ mjr, replying to karenovirus, 3, #327 of 1147 🔗

And you didnt take a photo?

Clearly teachers, like many others, have two approaches to Covid .

  • Be a bedwetter when it suits – when making a political point or being a jobsworth
  • Ignoring all the rules when they are off the meter.
112403 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, #328 of 1147 🔗

Tut tut mjr, invade their privacy ?

112641 ▶▶ DomW, replying to karenovirus, 1, #329 of 1147 🔗

Get a picture if you see it again!

Edit: Need to read ahead before posting….!

112158 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 31, #330 of 1147 🔗

I met a teacher last night who was at the Trafalgar Sq. demo on Saturday. No – really! Very passionate. Like I was, she found herself photographed and in some of the meeja. One of the parents at the school recognised her and fired off a complaint to her headmaster. Term starts next week here, but she won’t be going in as she has now to isolate from the school for a fortnight. She said the headmaster was good about it and her job is not on the line – yet.

First they come for you if you don’t kneel, now you’re not allowed to campaign for the freedom others use to try to get you sacked. A reckoning must come.

112170 ▶▶ Basics, replying to James Leary #KBF, 11, #331 of 1147 🔗

That head sounds like a good one, given the diplomatic nature of the situation. The teach might be able to bring some good out of the bad by passing the head some reason in the form of sound research.

A reckoning is over due.

112192 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Basics, 15, #332 of 1147 🔗

No the head is not a good one. A good one would have told the parent to fuck off and kicked the kids out of school

112196 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Cecil B, 8, #333 of 1147 🔗

I agree. But the reality is that it becomes a national press story at that point. The war isn’t won that way. It is won by real people realising something is up and acting to share that knowledge. Another angry headline simply hardens positions.

112191 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to James Leary #KBF, 15, #334 of 1147 🔗

One wonders of the at the true motivation of the parent who raised the complaint. Is he or she truly terrified that the teacher would infect the whole school? Or, was it just a great big virtue signal?

And, why are they so interested in scouring the media like a ‘Karen’ on steroids in order to ‘sniff out’ a defector?

112238 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Laura Suckling, 10, #335 of 1147 🔗

Stop with the Karen motif already please – this Karen has had a Gut full of this taking a cheap shot at working class white women. (The Guardian seems to be awash with it – divide and rule indeed)

112243 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to KBuchanan, 5, #336 of 1147 🔗

Apologies Karen. I happen to be a working class white woman myself. I thought it was more a shot at middle class white women. Anyway, it seems to have become a handy shorthand. No offence meant.

112407 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #337 of 1147 🔗

Just hope some of the kids realise she did it for their benefit as much as anything.

112161 GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 4, #338 of 1147 🔗

Morning all, I’m going to London for a few days soon and was wondering what your experience was of daring to be un masked on the tube and also in shops, both the main shopping areas and smaller independent shops? I will be wearing an exemption card on a lanyard but it’s always good to know what to expect in these crazy times.
Also, what’s the situation with restaurants? I usually just find somewhere wherever I happen to be in the evening but was wondering if most places are expecting you to book now? Thanks.

112187 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 12, #339 of 1147 🔗

Live in London and travel by tube, bus and venture into shops. Have only been asked twice about non mask wearing- once in a shop and once by a policewoman in a tube station. On both occasions said simply, ‘I’m exempt, thank you.’ No further questioning so I don’t think it’s a problem. I don’t wear a lanyard- deliberately so as I don’t see why we need to ( and want to project normality as much as possible) but I perfectly understand others who prefer to avoid any confrontation.

112201 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 13, #340 of 1147 🔗

Public transport: I’ve never been challenged but had a few good conversations with other unmasked folk. And some very nice smiles from a young unmasked Japanese (I think) women on the Piccadilly line. I’ve seen just one altercation – between a big bloke bullying a couple of unmasked Eastern European chaps. So of course I waded in to explain the meaning of “exempt”. Bully told me to F off.

Shops: Been shopping normally since the mask edict. Politely challenged once, no comments or looks from other shoppers.

Restaurants: can’t help, I’m not a great eat outer. A few pub visits mainly to Wetherspoons with light weight Covid measures (but see reader’s report above)

Maybe I’ve been lucky, but I think a confident approach and smiles all round helps. And you never know, you might make a new friend!

112241 ▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Andy Riley, 8, #341 of 1147 🔗

“but I think a confident approach and smiles all round helps. And you never know, you might make a new friend!” That is the approach to take.

112278 ▶▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to smileymiley, 7, #342 of 1147 🔗

That’s the approach I’ve taken throughout all this. I usually surprise a returning “hello” and (possibly) a smile from the recipient, and I’ve never been challenged for not wearing a face mask – I think the unexpected normality reminds then what being a human actually feels like. Only once did I have an elderly masked man scurry away from me as though I had the plague. I still shouted a cheery hello after his fast-receding back.

112217 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 7, #343 of 1147 🔗

Public Transport: Had an altercation with a Karen and a week later was asked by a bloke but apart from that I’ve been OK. I wear my lanyard but that’s about it

Shops: Have been boycotting them but have no problems whatsoever with supermarkets, ethnic food shops, takeaways. Did have to collect a package from Hatchards but again had no problems being unmuzzled. No-one bothers me, I don’t really get stared at.

Restaurants: Mixed bag but if asked to leave details for test and trace, I always go “I do not consent”

A smile, confident approach, good posture and dressing smartly I found helps. I’ve also found that shop workers are more likely to talk to me and respond positively to my unmuzzled face.

112467 ▶▶▶ ikaraki, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #344 of 1147 🔗

Oh that last point, so true, even though I don’t wear a mask I always seem to get a very cheery goodbye these days!

112501 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ikaraki, 3, #345 of 1147 🔗

The security bloke in the supermarket near my work always greets me with a cheery “hello” or “good morning” every time I go in. He doesn’t do that for the other customers who come in masked.

113113 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, #346 of 1147 🔗

I get the same at Tesco Metro, he goes out of his way to wish me a pleasant day as I leave.

112244 ▶▶ NMoss, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 3, #347 of 1147 🔗

Sat. 29th. Central Line Shepherds Bush to TCR, not busy, 1 unmasked (me,) Northern Line to Charing Cross, busier, 5 or 6 unmasked. Return journey 3 hrs. later, busier, mainly masked. No challenges. Westfield quite busy, felt reasonably ‘normal,’ masking probably 50/50…

112163 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #348 of 1147 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53987928

Apple has begun letting its iPhones carry out contact-tracing without the need for users to download an official Covid-19 app.

As an alternative, owners are being invited to opt in to a scheme called Exposure Notifications Express (ENE).

This keeps a 14-day log of other phones detected via Bluetooth and serves an alert if one or more of their users is later diagnosed to have the virus.

112177 ▶▶ matt, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #349 of 1147 🔗

If people don’t know their phones are doing this, how does apple find out that someone has tested positive?

112711 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #350 of 1147 🔗

So don’t download update iOS 13.7! I stopped downloading any updates several months ago for fear that they might do this..

112844 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, #351 of 1147 🔗

Just turn off bluetooth!

113092 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, #352 of 1147 🔗

After a certain period of time updates are not necessary. Sometimes they can screw up everything. What are most updates about anyway?

113133 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, #353 of 1147 🔗

No app, no zap.

113090 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #354 of 1147 🔗

Turn it off!

112165 Basics, 6, #355 of 1147 🔗

Cordelia Lynch Texas report Sky News today, to be on cycled repeat all day. Any viewers may like to pat attention to the people in the background tgroughout the report.

Full Hazmat, mask and goggles for our Cordelia. What’s that? Undertakers carrying body bags in short sleeved shirt, notPPE mask and natty purple gloves? What’s that? Hazmat besuited Cordelia and doctor hanging out in a corridor where other staff nip about in scrubs? Gee, has Cordelia been granny killing in Texas?

One detail is Cordelias comment that in this converted conference room the patients are on intubation – they have a slim chance of survival. Last I heard intubation was a 50/50 matter. But then I also heard tgat intubation was actively killing people and other medical interventions were found to offer better results.

Feels to me the report is anofher in the long line of covid hospital fakery. Remember the msm american report being found out to have been video from Italy?

112166 Sceptic-on-Sea, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 29, #356 of 1147 🔗

Just back from walking my little one to the local primary. Has normal service resumed? Not a mask or visor to be seen. Usual first day chaos, big groups of people chatting on the pavement and in the road. Happy days!

112208 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 16, #357 of 1147 🔗

It varies from town to town.

My village is pretty much normal, masks in the local shops but non masking isn’t challenged. Same with school, no masks.

I heard of schools being so extreme they’ve asked kids to do PE in masks. Kids doing PE but not the Tour de France cyclists. Insanity reigns.

My view is that they know their effect is minimal and are actually using the masks as a way of nudging behaviours. Giving people a visual clue to danger, that the virus is still ‘out there’, ‘among us’ and ‘stalking our every thought’. So it should help improve overall adherance which will itself help reduced transmission of SARS-CoV-2.

But they’ve now got themselves a bit of an issue in that they thought they could just nudge with a little mandate in shops. So the people who take their word as gospel got confused. ‘But if we need them in shops, why not at school?’ And so, they’ve recommended them in school communal areas.

Then the same people were again confused. ‘Well what about the classroom? What about the bus? What about on the school walk? What about at home? What about in their sleep?’

For, if they work, then surely all we need to do is wear them everywhere, all of time. Or so the logic goes.

So the Health Officials are now in a position where, to maintain the nudge, they need to mandate masks 100% of the time. Otherwise they need to admit the truth, that the science is sketchy at best, they do not have any notable impact during a pandemic, never mind times of low rates like we have now.

I can’t see them admitting their folly and attempt at social engineering anytime soon. So unfortunately, unless we refuse en mass to comply, it’ll be masks until they get their Golden out – the vaccine

112873 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #358 of 1147 🔗

We really must encourage people to refuse to acquiesce as soon as possible otherwise we will find it harder to avoid their Golden out – especially if they get the military involved.

112227 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 7, #359 of 1147 🔗

From what I have read, school activities are severely restricted, especially anything extra curricular, sporting, musical, social, trips, clubs etc etc. And the bubble nonsense. I do not consider schools to be “back”, and the PM must get no credit for it.

112233 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 8, #360 of 1147 🔗

Same in my medium sized town near Chelmsford, children in their school uniforms skipping along towards the primary schools in the middle of town. I never thought that seeing children going to school would cause a lump in my throat.

112308 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to KBuchanan, 3, #361 of 1147 🔗

Yup, yesterday’s clip of some guy ambling up the canal in the rain toward the church to listen to some music, part of a festival of music in the open air on the different bridges, for the last day of summer, lots of people around, some with kids in pushchairs, no masks, just- normal life! brought a tear to my eye.
Incidentally, the canal was the Griboydev Canal, alongside the R. Neva, he was walking from the Bank Bridge (with the griffons) toward the Church on the Spilled Blood to what looked like the Alex (Nevsky) Bridge, in St Petersburg.
50 years ago if you’d told me I’d be momentarily envying the Russians their carefree freedom of movement and association…

112312 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Bruno, 2, #362 of 1147 🔗

Oh and don’t start, about MI6 my lips are sealed.

112246 ▶▶ Lydia, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 8, #363 of 1147 🔗

My daughter starts back tomorrow. No SD in year group bubbles. The Head explained that school will be pretty much the same before it closed. No temperature checks or staff in PPE.

112167 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #364 of 1147 🔗

So Whitty threatens to resign – again?

At least he has the cushy number at the WHO to go to. Maybe they’ve told him he’s to start work so get over there ASAP or else.

There were reports him and Valance tried this trick a few months ago saying “if the country opened up too quickly” or some similar bullshit and Boris caved?

112225 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #365 of 1147 🔗
113095 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #366 of 1147 🔗

Good. Go to the W.H.O., we’ll sue you later.

112169 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #367 of 1147 🔗

Newly published articles from China and UAE. It must be very important to identify “cases” who are not infectious anymore. “great potential as a technique for detection of SARS-CoV-2 in patients with low viral loads” Strange race to detect the smallest amount of virus when we know that they don’t transmit! But keep the pot boiling! https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.28.20183970v1 Microfluidic nano-scale qPCR enables ultra-sensitive detection of SARS-CoV-2
Conclusion: The three-step nano-scale RT-qPCR method can robustly detect SARS-CoV-2 in samples with relatively low viral loads (< 1 viral copy/μl) and has the potential to reduce the false negative rate of standard RT-PCR-based diagnostic tests for SARS-CoV-2 and other viral infections.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.27.20182832v1
 Analysis and validation of a highly sensitive one-step nested quantitative real-time polymerase chain reaction assay for specific detection of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2

In conclusion, the highly sensitive and specific OSN-qRT-PCR assay is superior to ddPCR and qRT-PCR assays, showing great potential as a technique for detection of SARS-CoV-2 in patients with low viral loads.

112199 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 6, #368 of 1147 🔗

How strange. So while we have always thought the limitations of the tests meant that they were meaninglessness. Oh how wrong we were. It’s actually a call to create a test which can show more accurately that someone has SARS-CoV-2. Talk about doubling down

112314 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to swedenborg, 1, #369 of 1147 🔗

Gosh I hope they’ll be rushing to try it out on those nasty flu viruses that actually kill babies, then?

112178 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #370 of 1147 🔗

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.26.20182758v1

Covid-19 Social Distancing Interventions by State Mandate and their Correlation to Mortality in the United States
“Conclusions: The analysis appears to suggest no mandate effective reduction in Covid-19 mortality nor a reduction in Covid-19 mortality rate to its defined initial peak when interpreting the mean-effect of the mandates as present in the data. A strong correlation to population density suggests human interaction frequency does affect the total mortality and maximum mortality rate.”
 Which means? Much fuss doing nothing?

112206 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to swedenborg, 3, #371 of 1147 🔗

And highest densities of the sick and elderly? In hospitals and care homes, of course.

112181 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 27, #372 of 1147 🔗

Stroll on! You can’t even go to Google now without being told to wear a face mask.

Wear a mask. Help slow the spread of COVID-19.

Bugger off!

112242 ▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to anon, 2, #374 of 1147 🔗

Just downloaded duckduckgo. Thank you for this.

112247 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lydia, #375 of 1147 🔗

Downloaded?

112250 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to JohnB, 2, #376 of 1147 🔗

As an app on my phone and installed it on my PC. Whatever the correct term is!

112230 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tenchy, 6, #377 of 1147 🔗

I’ve stopped using Google browser, best thing I ever done

112234 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tenchy, 8, #378 of 1147 🔗

That’s why I’ve moved to Duck Duck Go. Can’t stand Google’s propaganda.

112255 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tenchy, 3, #379 of 1147 🔗

Use the Brave Browser too, loads better or Waterfox

112260 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Two-Six, 5, #380 of 1147 🔗

Agreed, I use Brave with Duckandgo as the search engine. Highly recommended.

112298 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Sarigan, 1, #381 of 1147 🔗

Thanks for the tip

113135 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bella Donna, #382 of 1147 🔗

We need a worldwide boycott of Google. Spread the word. They live for money. Deprive them. Defund them and see how they like it.

113134 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tenchy, #383 of 1147 🔗

Boycott Google. In the millions. They might get the message. There are other search engines that are less intrusive.

112184 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 11, #384 of 1147 🔗

One of the most comprehensive studies published now in NEngJMed. This is an enormous national study 30000 persons. An epoch defining article difficult to surpass.
Strange that IFR is almost the same as suggested by Ionnadis early on in the pandemic
https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa2026116?articleTools=true

Humoral Immune Response to SARS-CoV-2 in Iceland

 Our results indicate that antiviral antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 did not decline within 4 months after diagnosis. We estimate that the risk of death from infection was 0.3% and that 44% of persons infected with SARS-CoV-2 in Iceland were not diagnosed by qPCR

112300 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, 1, #385 of 1147 🔗

Thanks for the link. What’s not entirely clear is whether the group they call “recovered” had a severe disease or not. These were the guys they found 90% of whom had antibodies (against both N, RBD and I think S1) that lasted for 4 months.

If we look at the tests they did on quarantined persons (Table 3), we see that in the asymptomatic group 10% were PCR positive but only 2.4% were antibody positive (so only 24% of those PCR +ve were antibody +ve). In the symptomatic group it was actually less, only 11%.

112316 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to guy153, 1, #386 of 1147 🔗

So those without symptoms had more antibodies detected than those with symptoms? Isn’t that what you’d expect, or am I missing the point?

112723 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Bruno, #387 of 1147 🔗

You’d expect those with symptoms to have more and people with severe symptoms the most. Of course it’s possible some of the ones without symptoms were false positives in the first place, although the false positive rate of the PCR test is usually very low.

112743 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Bruno, #388 of 1147 🔗

The thing is I think they’re greatly underestimating the number infected in Iceland and overestimating the IFR because of spectrum bias. Their own results (as well as other studies) show that a much smaller proportion of people who were PCR positive but with mild or no symptoms pass the threshold for antibodies. But their estimate of the percentage of Icelanders infected is based on 91% sensitivity of the antibody test when calibrated against severe cases. The actual number infected (who would have been PCR positive if you had tested everyone) is probably 3 or 4x higher and the IFR 3 or 4 times lower. I still think Iceland does not have herd immunity but they’re at about 4% exposure not 1%. Still, if/when they have another outbreak it will all catch up in no time.

112193 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 16, #389 of 1147 🔗

ONS weekly figures are out. It’s not looking good for Lady Rona:

In Week 34, the number of deaths registered was 5.2% above the five-year average (474 deaths higher); this is the second consecutive week that weekly deaths have been above the five-year average, however, the rise was not driven by the coronavirus (COVID-19).

The Deadly Virus ™ now accounts for a huge 1.4% of all deaths in England and Wales.
Meanwhile, deaths in private homes are rising, can’t think why…

112218 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 15, #390 of 1147 🔗

Are we now seeing the crossover point, between Corona deaths fading away, and collateral deaths starting to rise?

112245 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #391 of 1147 🔗

I’ve been surprised that the number of deaths registered has ever been below the five-year average the knock on effect of the lockdown I would have thought will ensure the numbers will be higher for quite some time.

112277 ▶▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #392 of 1147 🔗

There’s been a few occasions in the past where death rates have gone down during a doctors strike. It was in the book SuperFreakonomics. We may have just seen that writ large and now the impact of that “strike” is now coming to the fore as Sam Vimes says.

112318 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #393 of 1147 🔗

See RickH’s analyses suggesting that ‘harvesting’ (actuarial term) of the old and frail in a concentrated short period leaves fewer available to die over a lengthier later period. Plus maybe also as in Chinese study there’s been a reduction in road accidents and the like.

112195 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #394 of 1147 🔗

I have just listened to BBC Radio 4 More of Less programme, from some of the data discussed I took it that there is absolutely no need for any Primary age children to take any sort of Covid19 precautions at all and that primary schools, brownes and cubs should all be operating as normal. There was also a good piece when a maths guy from Bath university gave a strong challenge to the assumptions over the concerns about universities re-starting. There was even a quote from Peter Hitchens at one point.
You have to remember that this is a statistics programme and so they do not challenge the science or the medicine but even so it is a breath of fresh air.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000m5j9

112365 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #395 of 1147 🔗

Your typo – “More of Less” – is a good description for Radio 4 as a whole these days.

112228 ▶▶ leggy, replying to T. Prince, 4, #397 of 1147 🔗

Also Australia 2020 which I find pretty amazing. https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6186554984001

112335 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to leggy, 1, #398 of 1147 🔗

I posted up an Alan Jones item yesterday from 03.08. More excellent commentary . Shame no one is doing this here. So far we have plenty of news articles to reference but scarcely much TV material apart from podcasts

112616 ▶▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #399 of 1147 🔗

He and Andrew Bolt are as liked as Piers Morgan seems to be in the UK. It feels weird agreeing with them but the world is topsy-turvy.

112212 Fed up, replying to Fed up, 20, #400 of 1147 🔗

I’m so over Covid. It’s like a bad sitcom that’s been renewed for another lacklustre series, regurgitating the same tired old story lines.

112229 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Fed up, 8, #401 of 1147 🔗

Mrs Brown’s Boys even that isn’t as bad as this shit!

112219 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 24, #402 of 1147 🔗

Prof Watson’s article as mentioned in Toby’s articles today is an absolute read.There are no evidence for lockdowns or facemasks.There are two authors in the article and although they both have different views how to handle the pandemic,they are both agreeing that there are no evidence based proofs that lockdowns or facemasks work. One of the best articles in this subject.

112368 ▶▶ kf99, replying to swedenborg, 3, #403 of 1147 🔗

Yes it’s excellent. “A mask is a virtue signal that shows solidarity – although with whom is not clear…”

112231 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 23, #404 of 1147 🔗

If the majority of the teachers in the UK are like the one in the Sun article above I really can’t see any hope for the country. Are the majority of male university graduates this spineless and weak these days? We have 16 year olds joining the military and going to war and then we get this wimp. Doesn’t he realise millions have been out working all year whilst he was hiding at home?

112232 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Darryl, 9, #405 of 1147 🔗

Unfortunately I don’t think he does and his attitude is symptomatic of what the problem is with many people especially the young today.

Perhaps he will wake up but given he’s a teacher I doubt it.

112296 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #406 of 1147 🔗

There is no way I’d let him teach my kids!

112240 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Darryl, 15, #407 of 1147 🔗

Hiding at home, watching the BBC and reading the ‘Guardian’—-what do you expect?

112251 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Harry hopkins, 9, #408 of 1147 🔗

On full pay….

112256 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Darryl, 2, #409 of 1147 🔗

Minor point but in the uk and possibly other NATO countries no one under 18 can fight.

112274 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to p02099003, 1, #410 of 1147 🔗

True, I realise going back it was different. The military training and discipline certainly isn’t easy at 16 – I can’t imagine the guy in the article would last long. I certainly wouldn’t want him on my side in a battle he would be a liability! he would turn up with a white flag.

112362 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Darryl, #411 of 1147 🔗

Silly ‘when I were a lad’ generalisations – diverting attention from the political responsibility for this suicidal cock-up, using fear as a totalitarian weapon – courtesy a raddled Tory Party that put Johnson and the Spivs in the position to inflict all this on the populace.

… and to pre-empt the ‘whataboutery’ diversion – the opposition parties have been pathetic. But they weren’t the originators.

112471 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to RickH, 5, #412 of 1147 🔗

I completely agree the political establishment should be held to account – many young people have continued working.

But it is individuals like this teacher who allow them to completely destroy the economy and society. There needs to be a point when people say thats enough – the teacher has just finished university surely he can do some independent research, just look at the government figures.

112926 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to RickH, 1, #413 of 1147 🔗

Keir Starmer member of the Trilateral Commission … no hope there.

113115 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Darryl, #414 of 1147 🔗

Once the kids suss that he’s the tosser dad laughed about in The Sun he won’t last a week.

112236 Lucan Grey, 9, #415 of 1147 🔗

New Revelations on the COVID death count by JP

https://youtu.be/P0y6M-N8wOE

As he says at the end, download the video ( https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8rtiuq0y91 …) and share it to all social media platforms.

Score one for the little guys.

112237 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 21, #416 of 1147 🔗

‘School Threatens to Send Children Home for Joking About Covid’
Considering that ‘Covid’ is the biggest joke in my lifetime I would consider this a big ask!

112295 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Harry hopkins, 9, #417 of 1147 🔗

It must be an absolute nightmare for parents. But until parents wise up to this con and start making a nuisance of themselves things won’t change. You have to start a Movement.

112305 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #418 of 1147 🔗

There’s another absolute, unarguable, complete and utter proof of the mindless zombification of Covid believers………..A total sense of humour bypass!

113136 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Harry hopkins, #419 of 1147 🔗

Try and stop them. It won’t work.

112239 Bruno, replying to Bruno, 12, #420 of 1147 🔗

Not sure if this has been flagged before, but here are the proceedings of the Commons Science and Technology Committee. Last time I looked, it only linked to the live stream of the oral evidence sessions in March and July, although I spotted a reference to a session on 10 June and wondered where the record of that was. Now it’s up there as a transcript, along with others. Haven’t finished reading it, but Scots may enjoy Q 857, from Dawn Butler, where Giesecke says that if you overlay the Swedish curve over the Scots one, they look exactly the same, one with limited lockdown, other with severe lockdown. Woolhouse has a few choice comments, too. I fear they may be turning the Chair, Greg Clark, into a full blown sceptic, although his political career under this regime is of course toast already:
. was.whttpss://committees.parliament.uk/event/1107/formal-meeting-oral-evidence-session/

112252 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Bruno, 3, #421 of 1147 🔗

They really make it hard for you to get at this, you have to go to the first named committee , click on events, takes you to another page where you get another button for ‘all events’, which finally takes you to the transcripts of the missing meetings! I find there were more than the one in 10 June, looking forward to reading them:
https://committees.parliament.uk/work/91/uk-science-research-and-technology-capability-and-influence-in-global-disease-outbreaks/events/all/

112254 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Bruno, 3, #422 of 1147 🔗

Thank you Sylvie.

The lights had probably gone. So had the stairs! Sign on the door saying beware of the leopard….

Apologies for mangling what springs to mind.

112328 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Basics, 2, #423 of 1147 🔗

Yup, it’s like going down the cellar with a candle, luckily there’s some fine old Auxey Duresses down there. Definitely going to put a pic of a snarly leopard on the door now, thanks Basics!

112257 The Spingler, replying to The Spingler, 13, #424 of 1147 🔗

Latest suggestion from Plaid Cymru. The Welsh Government should adopt the new saliva test, which is quicker and easier to administer than the current throat/nasal swab. That way it would be possible to test every person in Wales (3.5 million) every single week.

I don’t even know where to start on how dumb an idea this would be. Stupid on every level.

112263 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to The Spingler, 5, #425 of 1147 🔗

Plaid Cymru have been incredibly disappointing in all this. Lost any chance of a vote from me, ever. I think they would have gone full-on Sturgeon in Wales had they had the reigns of power.

Anyway, even if everyone was tested, the Welsh government have admitted they have no authority to force self-isolation on anyone, they can only give advice:

“Passengers arriving on a flight from Zante to Cardiff this evening will be asked to self-isolate for 14 days. (just cos we can’t tell them to without regs).”

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/welsh-government-ridiculed-after-saying-18863996

112267 IMoz, replying to IMoz, 10, #426 of 1147 🔗

According to the ONS, deaths for week 34 (ending 21 Aug) of 2020:

Total: 9631 (up from 9392 prev. week, up from 5Y average of 9157, over 5Y max of 9379)

‘flu/pneumonia: 1151 (up from 1002 prev. week)
COVID-19: 138 (down from 139 prev. week)

‘flu/pneumonia:COVID-19 ratio is just over 8.34:1 (7.2:1 prev. week), COVID-19 deaths as a proportion of all-cause deaths: 1.43%, ‘flu/pneumonia: 11.95%

If one were to argue, based on this evidence, that masks are working against COVID-19, then they must accept that the same masks are having a much more detrimental effect on ‘flu/pneumonia deaths…

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending21august2020

112280 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to IMoz, 1, #427 of 1147 🔗

The August heatwave will have raised the death rate slightly. I suppose Hancock will argue Covid restrained by test and trace

112282 ▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Yawnyaman, 4, #428 of 1147 🔗

If it’s restrained by that, then there’s no point in masks 😉

112315 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to IMoz, 10, #429 of 1147 🔗

As Peter Hitchens likes to point out, viruses are well know to be frightened of being tested for…

112268 Allan Gay, replying to Allan Gay, 17, #430 of 1147 🔗

Today I was the only maskless shopper in our Northamptonshire village’s little Co-op grocery.

Six shoppers wore masks and one wore a visor depending from a ridiculous blue plastic ring on his bald pate.

The checkout operator behind the plexiglass screens wore her customary mask, a recorded announcement instructed shoppers on how to wear a mask properly (it must cover the nose, it seems), and an amateurish printed injunction to wear a face covering in the store was stuck to the front face of the checkout counter.

I did not have to clamber over piled corpses to get to the bread, and there were no clammy fingers stilled in a last despairing lunge for the Hovis, so the masks are evidently working.

Alas, I’d say the flunacy is intensifying, not abating.

112287 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Allan Gay, 24, #431 of 1147 🔗

Yes its got 100 times worse in the last few weeks, it’s so bad right now I am feeling very trapped, I don’t want to go out and see masked up zombies everywhere. I am getting fairly depressed about this now, its almost intolerable for me. There is no end in sight with this bastard mask mind-fuckery.

Actually, I am feeling fairly un-hinged today more than yesterday. I am so angry, I am starting to yell the c word randomly into the air. I really freaked out yesterday after a visit to a Burger King. A total dystopia of masked up bastards..I sat in my car yelling out that word…. I am loosing it.

112332 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Two-Six, 12, #432 of 1147 🔗

I’m feeling pretty similar Two-Six,the madness has increased massively around here in the past month,at the start of the summer I’d hoped that by now people would have woken up and turned against the tyranny but they seem to want more and more of it !.I find a trip to the shops almost unbearable now,it makes me very angry to be surrounded by the zombies.
Sat in my car in the car park watching people going into shops yesterday I noticed that putting masks on and off has become second nature with most people,they do it automatically without having to think about it,it’s as if they’ve been doing it all of their lives,I find it very disturbing that they find such an unnatural act so easy to do.
I reckon the footfall in shops around here must be almost back to normal most days,so my hope of big retailers standing up to the government to get things changed because they are losing money due to the mask mandate seems forlorn now.
The local leisure centre has reopened with barmy rules that would have the populations of prisons rioting if imposed on them and the overall reaction around here seems to be high praise of the way the council is making sports facilities ‘really safe for everyone’ !.
I despair,I really do,

112333 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Paul, 10, #433 of 1147 🔗

yep, it’s just horrible. What the hell is wrong with people?????

112344 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 8, #434 of 1147 🔗

For me it’s like a bad acid trip that just doesn’t wear off. Relentless. It just get more and more crazy.

People really have been driven totally insane en-mass. It’s almost too much for me to deal with. My worst fear is meeting my parents nappied up, I know this will really upset me as will meeting anybody I know “doing it”.

I want to reach out to the masked up people I see and ask them why they are they wearing a face nappy and how utter pointless and harmful they are but its a pointless exercise, like trying to put out a huge fire by stamping on it and your shoes start melting as the fire rages out of control in front of your very eyes. . Like trying to plug a gushing water pipe, failing and the room you are in slowly fills up and drowns you.

112427 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Two-Six, 20, #435 of 1147 🔗

I chatted to a randomly passing fellow dog-walker the other day. She mentioned how dangerous the virus it still was, assuming that I would agree, at which I threw her some very gentle truth grenades – much of the information was previously gleaned from this site.

She knew nothing apart from that there was a dangerous virus out there. Even basic facts which we take for granted, like the removal of 5,000 fake deaths from the reaper’s tally, was news to her.

As I talked, her eyes grew wide with amazement. I could sense her fear turning to bewilderment – “Why would the government and the media want to make us all afraid when the virus is getting less dangerous?” And when we parted ways, I had a feeling that her bewilderment would soon turn to anger.

She told my wife and I how nice it was to finally speak to people who were not afraid.

Most people who blindly follow the covid-hysteria simply trust the media and the government implicitly. Because in their eyes those institutions have their best interest at heart – to inform and to protect them.

So when you get a deeply corrupt state and the media becomes its propaganda arm, the masses are easy to lead.

This is why it is so important for us to engage with those who blindly follow the hysteria. It’s initially easy for the government to dupe with its lies, but increasingly difficult to put a lid on the truth if even a few informed people illuminate those who have been duped. And when enough people are informed, the government’s power evaporates, like the illusion it is.

However, it became apparent to me later that if she had been masked, she would not have wanted to engage with me, as I she would have seen me, unmasked, as a danger to her. I do think that masks are used to separate the blind from the informed, and make it harder for the informed to engage with the duped.

Masks are not mandated to slow the spread of Covid but to slow the spread of truth about Covid.

112497 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #436 of 1147 🔗

yes

113119 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mr Dee, #437 of 1147 🔗

The first half of your post mirrors my experience exactly Mr Dee.

An XR spokeschild on R4 today re Covid, “it’s the government’s job to keep us safe…”
Really ?

112378 ▶▶▶ Hypatia, replying to Two-Six, 14, #438 of 1147 🔗

Two Six, you are absolutely not alone in feeling like this.
I can only now shop for essentials – no more leisure shopping for me. I hate being surrounded by masked up zombies, shuffling round and eyeing me suspiciously because I haven’t got on a mask. I want to stand outside and shout that people should lay down their masks because everything we are being told is just a complete bag o’ bollox.
I often feel close to tears, and the only way I can cope is to grit my teeth, avoid places that make me feel furious and frustrated, and determine to just get through it, and not let the mad basta*ds win.

112536 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Hypatia, 5, #439 of 1147 🔗

It’s very tempting to stand outside shops, museums and pubs shouting a few home truths and wearing a sandwich board with Vernon Coleman’s mantra:

DISTRUST THE GOVERNMENT. AVOID MASS MEDIA. FIGHT THE LIES

Some people are waking up but its not enough. We need to keep on pushing back.

112719 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Two-Six, 2, #440 of 1147 🔗

Never mind, here we all love you.

113025 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to RichardJames, #441 of 1147 🔗

Kind words, thanks

112894 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Two-Six, 2, #442 of 1147 🔗

Just remember that your strength is helping others; you staying strong helps people like me in turn. I hope the anger subsides and turns to a quiet pride.

113026 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #443 of 1147 🔗

I am trying my best. It’s really hard.

112293 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Allan Gay, 3, #444 of 1147 🔗

Ha! Great word – flunacy.

112371 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Allan Gay, 1, #445 of 1147 🔗

Worse than the lunacy not abating is the inability of those who are by definition not mad to mount an effective opposition. Why is that? I say it’s because there isn’t the leadership required out of “alternative media”, which, by dint of being controlled (actually), won’t provide it.

When I see commenters flopping around and wondering what to do and in fact behaving in ways that facilitates lockdown on this and other sites it drives me more mad than seeing idiots in masks. I don’t shop other than to do a food one, because the high street can go to hell if it wants to insist on mask wearing. People who know they are in a war understand that sacrifices must be made. I don’t get that sense here. Commenters here appear to think that one day their Burger King, for instance (for christ’s sake) is going to come to its senses without any economic pressure being applied to it.

http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/

112398 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to PWL, 10, #446 of 1147 🔗

Lots of people who post on here say they shop maskless, and I am sure most/all of them are telling the truth. They are setting an example to others, showing its OK to do it, showing not everyone is compliant, reminding people it’s nice to be normal.

As for economic pressure, I think a lot of us here are participating much less in anything that is affected by Coronabollocks, but some continue to do so because they want to live their lives and support businesses whose employees are often as much victims as the rest of us, and to be out and about talking to others and behaving normally. I think both are defensible positions.

Either way we are too small in number to make enough of a difference, which is where building a co-ordinated movement with leadership and, in my view funding, comes in. I hope that will come.

I am not sure what you mean by “alternative media” and “controlled”. Could you elaborate? What would be your masterplan?

113030 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to PWL, #447 of 1147 🔗

It’s probably the last Burger King I every buy. It’s face nappy/PPE crazy. My burger was almost cold too.

113123 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Two-Six, #448 of 1147 🔗

Give it a month, that’s how long it takes newly re-opened places to relax.

112785 ▶▶ EllGee, replying to Allan Gay, 2, #449 of 1147 🔗

Opposite here. My small village shop had 5 in and all unmasked. The door pinged and we all looked who it was, as you do, and there was a collective gasp as the person coming in was actually masked. Turned out they weren’t from the village and had just stopped to pick something up. They hadn’t realised that not everywhere insists on masks

112270 davews, replying to davews, 18, #450 of 1147 🔗

Just back from my eye test at Specsavers. Wore my lanyard, not a word about me not wearing a mask. Girl doing the pressure tests etc soon cottoned on that I couldn’t hear her through her mask so got nearer and spoke louder… All the staff fully masked, aprons, the lot. Eye test more or less normal though they didn’t do the glaucoma field of vision test (press the button every time you see a light one), not sure why. When choosing my new frames I had to put every one I tried on in a box for them to disinfect and the chap had to leave me to choose myself with no help offered ‘because of covid’. Overall though a better experience than I expected.

Thought I would pop into Clarks for some new shoes to replace the ones which only lasted a month. Quite a queue outside and the lady said it would take 10-15 minutes to get in so didn’t bother – ‘will get them online thankyou’.

Then to pop a form back at the doctor’s surgery. Back door only, you had to press the button on the intercom – ‘just push it through the letter box’. Although plenty of unoccupied cars in the car park I could see that the waiting room was totally empty and a single lady on reception. Big banner outside saying we should book our flu jab.

112289 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to davews, 15, #451 of 1147 🔗

This is all just totally fucked.

112712 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to davews, 3, #452 of 1147 🔗

Some time ago I went for a blood test and the lovely nurse asked “Would you like your flu jab afterwards?” She took one look at my expression and then hurriedly said “I’ll just put a mention that you’ve declined on your notes…”

112281 Edna, replying to Edna, 11, #453 of 1147 🔗

An excellent article, I thought, on freedom and how what’s been happening these last few months shows how little we have of it. I’ve never heard of the writer, but thought it was very well written.
https://www.aier.org/article/will-you-choose-freedom/

112356 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Edna, 3, #454 of 1147 🔗

Superb

112290 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 20, #455 of 1147 🔗

Every day the situation gets worse. People are being denied healthcare, even privately. This godawful government needs dragging before a Tribunal and that applies to opposition parties who are doing nothing to stop this appalling assault on our health abd liberties. It’s an outrage and they need to be stopped! Why can’t men be there for their wives scans? Personally I’m staying clear of the NHS being of an age where they’d probably hasten my end!

112336 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Bella Donna, 11, #456 of 1147 🔗

I’m at the stage where I would support a military coup.

112341 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to TheBluePill, 5, #457 of 1147 🔗

Already asked. They said no.

113129 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nick Rose, #458 of 1147 🔗

Local major military training base still empty after 6 months, don’t suppose they are in Russia.

112460 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to TheBluePill, 5, #459 of 1147 🔗

The 77th Brigade have been at war from day one with any lockdown sceptics, so that might not end well. Using the UK military against its own people is a new low from the government.

113137 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bella Donna, #460 of 1147 🔗

The Labour Party leader is doing nothing to stop this madness. A human rights lawyer. Yeah, sure. Not anymore.

113515 ▶▶ Hoppity, replying to Bella Donna, #461 of 1147 🔗

I don’t understand why NHS employees aren’t themselves protesting about what’s going on. God knows there’s enough of them (approx. 1.5 million, I seem to remember).

112291 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 14, #462 of 1147 🔗

NHS and patient care:
The NHS is only treating expectant mothers in the same way as cancer sufferers and anyone else with a health condition.
You are there to do what you are told, you do not have a choice and are not allowed an opinion.
There is only one system in the world that came up with
1) Liverpool Care Pathway.
2Staffordshire elderly feeding plan.
3) Covid patient to care home transfer plan.
There are loads of other local examples of NHS arrogant neglect of those most in need.

It is not a coincidence that they all involve planned early deaths of the elderly.

Once is happenstance.
Twice is coincidence

112292 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nessimmersion, 11, #463 of 1147 🔗

Save the NHS eh? FFS

112299 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #464 of 1147 🔗

The Richie Allen radio show last night. Begins with 30 mins of msm media analysis – very good. Guest Vernon Coleman starts 30 mins in then Councillor Brian Silvester in the 2nd hour talking about the damage lockdown is doing and a campaign to fight against the crazy new A&E proceedures that are coming – book a place before you go.

https://youtu.be/m-Eq1tWaVU0

Allen is good, his guests are always interesting and often exceptional. Richie is not everyone’s favourite when he occasionally rants. Can’t blame him though as this is all so anger making. Rant free today!

A good listen.

112303 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 2, #465 of 1147 🔗

Yep, halfway through it at the mo

112354 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stefarm, 6, #466 of 1147 🔗

Vernon is angry. Mad how somebody so distinguished is sidelined.

113138 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basics, #467 of 1147 🔗

Today Richie was not rant free, but just as good. Tony Gosling and Piers Corbyn.

112304 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 14, #468 of 1147 🔗

Someone (last week I think) posted a list of Lockdown Rogues.

To counter that catalogue of villains, I suggest we all put our heads together and make a list of Lockdown Heroes.

My first Hero, purely because he was one of the first individuals who awakened me to the lunacy and tragedy of the Lockdown, right from the very start of this sorry farce, has to be Mr Peter Hitchens. Over to you, fellow Sceptics…

112307 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mr Dee, 20, #469 of 1147 🔗

There are many of them.

The one I would put above all others in this country at least is Carl Heneghan, as he has the most to lose and no obvious self interest.

112319 ▶▶▶ Sally, replying to Julian, #470 of 1147 🔗

Heneghan is not really explicitly anti-lockdown, especially in recent writings.

112327 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Sally, 7, #471 of 1147 🔗

Arguably it’s not his job to be – it’s his job to do rational analysis to inform political decisions. If he had been advising the PM, it’s arguable we would not have had a lockdown.

112366 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Sally, 6, #472 of 1147 🔗

Not explicitly, but I think that’s because he realises that he would have less opportunity to get his voice heard. What he’s doing is dismantling the official position piece by piece in the expectation that it will eventually fall over

112345 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Julian, 7, #473 of 1147 🔗

Carl Heneghan did effect the change in the calculation of death figures ie the 28 day limit.

112373 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Julian, 7, #474 of 1147 🔗

I nominate Professor Delores Cahill. She was the first sceptic that caught my attention.

112320 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Mr Dee, 9, #475 of 1147 🔗

Knut Wittkowski.

112342 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to TJN, 1, #476 of 1147 🔗

Whatever happened to old Knut? Haven’t seen anything from him for quite a while

112415 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to tonyspurs, 3, #477 of 1147 🔗

Don’t know. Probably been cancelled. Or maybe he’s just said. what needs to be said, and that’s it. Epidemiology wise, there’s nothing more to be said – his predictions of April have been vndicated.

112338 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mr Dee, 7, #478 of 1147 🔗

Michael Levitt

112339 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Mr Dee, 7, #479 of 1147 🔗

Toby of this house for one, Dolores Cahill, Alan Jones of Sky Australia, Ivor Cummins, Kevin O’Sullivan of Talk Radio….

112353 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Mr Dee, -1, #480 of 1147 🔗

As the lockdown continues when every piece of evidence points to its not being necessary, I’d say your “Lockdown Heroes” are useless.

112381 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to PWL, 3, #481 of 1147 🔗

They have not succeeded in changing much, yet, except probably thousands of minds. But it’s not over yet. And fighting for truth, even if it doesn’t succeed, is never in my view “useless”.

112389 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to PWL, 4, #482 of 1147 🔗

“I don’t want to hear any of that sort of talk, Wilson.”

113139 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PWL, #483 of 1147 🔗

Au contraire.

112409 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mr Dee, 6, #484 of 1147 🔗

Anders Tegnell, Freddie Sayers, Soo Aleman, Michael Levitt, Hendrick Streeck, John Ioannidis, Kit Knightly, Catte Black… these people are helping keep me sane.

113140 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tee Ell, #485 of 1147 🔗

Listen to Delingpod for the past three or four months and you’ll discover dozens more.

112465 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #486 of 1147 🔗

Sunetra Gupta.

112486 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Mr Dee, 6, #487 of 1147 🔗

Vernon Coleman
Carl Vernon

112306 mjr, replying to mjr, 5, #488 of 1147 🔗

Parliament is back.. PMQs on tv . This should be a laugh…… or not . Will anyone ask the obvious questions?

112311 ▶▶ Julian, replying to mjr, 10, #489 of 1147 🔗

Will anyone ask the obvious questions?”

I’m sure they won’t

I’m not aware of any opposition MP who is remotely sceptical, openly, and the Tories are unlikely to attack their own PM during PMQs

Parliament is an irrelevance until it grows a spine or until we get out of this. In the meantime, I don’t much care what they do

112313 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to mjr, 6, #490 of 1147 🔗

The obvious question to me is…………..Why would anyone waste their time watching this Sh*te?

112329 ▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, 7, #491 of 1147 🔗

so it wasnt a laugh. totally depressing . going round in circles . and the idiocy of most MPs stands out

112334 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to mjr, 8, #492 of 1147 🔗

Indeed, the biggest crime in a century, ongoing on a global scale, and what questions do our idiot representatives ask? “Do you support the relocation of I’m a Celebrity to North Wales?”

FFS how lobotomized are they. How lobotomized are the sheeple that vote for them. The worst thing is that this was probably the question that piqued the interest of the rest of the house.

I just despair.

112351 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #493 of 1147 🔗

Sorry, you actually sound like you’re serious or my sarcasm detector is off

112357 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #494 of 1147 🔗

i think we need to flag anything in our posts where we are not being sarcastic

112492 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #495 of 1147 🔗

If you mean was this question seriously asked, then I am afraid that it was. I wish my imagination was good enough to produce fantasy more fantastic than the reality.

112355 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #496 of 1147 🔗

yes , the question about whether de pfeffle johnson would participate in the bush tucker trial had them rolling in the aisle.
And why not … his government have been feeding us with shite for the last 6 months.. He should try some

112317 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 13, #497 of 1147 🔗

Paywalled:

The Failed Experiment of Covid Lockdowns
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-failed-experiment-of-covid-lockdowns-11599000890

Six months into the Covid-19 pandemic, the U.S. has now carried out two large-scale experiments in public health—first, in March and April, the lockdown of the economy to arrest the spread of the virus, and second, since mid-April, the reopening of the economy. The results are in. Counterintuitive though it may be, statistical analysis shows that locking down the economy didn’t contain the disease’s spread and reopening it didn’t unleash a second wave of infections.

112348 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nobody2020, #498 of 1147 🔗

Go to outline.com to get around pay walls. Paste the link.

Edit. Actually doesn’t work for wsj. Can for the Spectator

112369 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #499 of 1147 🔗

if i type in online.com it goes straight to cnet.com product reviews.

112443 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #500 of 1147 🔗

I find Outline doesn’t work so well with US based media.

112469 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Nobody2020, #501 of 1147 🔗

aha….. oUTline.com….. no wonder that address did not work .

113141 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #502 of 1147 🔗

Good to know. Thanks. Toby Young has linked to The Spectator many times on this blog but no dice. I’ll give it a try.

112323 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 17, #503 of 1147 🔗

Doesn’t the No.10 Dominic cumin’s digital ID cards sound familiar?

ID2020? Covipass? EU vaccination passport?

Theresa May’s attempt when she was Home Secretary failed, we need to make sure this does as well.

It never was about the virus, thats a just too god an opportunity to pass up.

112363 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #504 of 1147 🔗

Daily Mail had a columnist called Andrew Alexander. He wrote the perfect article on how having an ID card changes from being free people to people who have to justify being ourselves. Wish I had saved it.

No chance anyone could find it? It would have been the time Labour tried it in the late noughties/early millenium.

112410 ▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Gerry Mandarin, #505 of 1147 🔗
112413 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 3, #506 of 1147 🔗

There’s this one from Peter Hitchens in 2003 when Blanket tried it on.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-228278/ID-cards-make-Gestapo-state.html

House of Lords saved us that time.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340715/ID-cards-abolished-Lords-withdraw-demand-12-000-refunds-cardholders-paid-30.html

Keeps reoccurring – Blunket, May and now Cummings/Johnson.

Same shit, different wannabe dictator.

Andrew Alexander is at the Scotsman now I think.

113143 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Gerry Mandarin, #509 of 1147 🔗

Tony Blair. I just thought that once these ideas get bandied about they end up in file cabinets in the civil service and never go away. Like the hundreds of pages that suddenly appeared at the beginning of the lockdown.

112464 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #510 of 1147 🔗

There was an organisation NO2ID which started up when New Labour were floating ID cards. Their website http://www.no2id.net refers to Theresa May as home secretary so clearly is no longer active. Looks like such an organisation is needed again.

112682 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, #511 of 1147 🔗

Explains his job ad for geeks..

112324 mjr, replying to mjr, 7, #512 of 1147 🔗

Ha … Cockup has made another u turn. the reprieve of the additional lock down in Bolton and Manchester has been overturned and the additional lock down will stay in place.
Clearly someone coughed

112330 ▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, 3, #513 of 1147 🔗

correction .. apparently he lifted them this morning but has now put them back ..

112337 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to mjr, 7, #514 of 1147 🔗

Huge and inexplicable opposition from local Labour run councils.

112349 ▶▶▶ tallandbald, replying to Yawnyaman, 3, #515 of 1147 🔗

Saw Burnham “I don’t wear eyeliner, honest” in the meedja complaining about it today.

112325 NonCompliant, replying to NonCompliant, 7, #516 of 1147 🔗

Time to ditch that ‘smart’ phone ?

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53987928

I switched to using a Nokia 8110 back in April. I still have the old Android phone but it’s without a SIM and on the rare occasions I need to use it when i’m out and about I just tether it to the Nokia which has 4G and wifi-hotspot !

I’ve used the last few months to unplug myself from all the bells and whistles of the smartphone. I rarely even take the Nokia out with now either so for the time being i’m off the grid most of the time.

112340 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to NonCompliant, 8, #517 of 1147 🔗

You could look for an android open source project derived project or even compile an OS yourself for a large range of smart phones if you want a smart phone that you have more control over. There are startups trying to manufacture phones that are as open as possible. I don’t think we should abandon modern technology because evil people want to exploit it to control us. We should pay more attention to what we are actually doing with it and the nature of the services we are using via it.

112400 ▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Saved To Death, #518 of 1147 🔗

Been there and done that already. I flashed my old android phone with LineageOS which is AOSP. The thing will still take the Covid tracing app however which is why it’s without a SIM and just for occasional tethering.

112428 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to NonCompliant, #519 of 1147 🔗

It will ‘take’ any android app that can run on the API version it implements so I am not sure what you mean. Are you referring to covid tracing features that are part of google applications? Perhaps either don’t install google apps and look for privacy respecting alternatives or carefully control the permissions you grant?

112347 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NonCompliant, 3, #520 of 1147 🔗

There is also this
https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/

Smartphone dedicated to privacy is their sell

112352 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #521 of 1147 🔗

That is interesting I have been wondering about open-source OS’s on smart phones.

112405 ▶▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #522 of 1147 🔗

It will still install the dreaded Covid tracing apk though so I don’t think that move will help.

112411 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NonCompliant, #523 of 1147 🔗

Really? It’s not based on Android or iOS

112436 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to NonCompliant, #524 of 1147 🔗

I am sure users of the librem-5 will be able to control what apks get installed if they wish. If an open source project does try pushing such features on users then other users can fork the project and remove the features they dont like. That is the whole point.

112360 ▶▶ assoc, replying to NonCompliant, 3, #525 of 1147 🔗

Isn’t it enough just to turn off Bluetooth?

112393 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to assoc, 1, #526 of 1147 🔗

Unfortunately not no. Airplane mode doesn’t deactivate it either. I saw a video a short while back where a chap spends the day with 2 phones – one fully connected and one in airplane mode. They both even tracked him getting in and out of a taxi or some such tiny detail.

I have been meaning to order a faraday case for a while though. They work apparently.

112361 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to NonCompliant, #527 of 1147 🔗

I’ve been looking at these:

https://www.silentcircle.com

112350 mjr, replying to mjr, 16, #528 of 1147 🔗

Seems that the government and MPs new mantra is “in a covid safe way”
get back to work in a covid safe way……. kids back to school in a covid safe way .

data says it is safe . .why cant these total w*nkers accept that. ?

112358 ▶▶ tonys, replying to mjr, 14, #529 of 1147 🔗

They are at it now on the BBC news ‘will the safety measures in schools work’ ? Well no they won’t because they are unnecessary.

112386 ▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to tonys, 2, #530 of 1147 🔗

True, but the fact that they are unnecessary means that the measures could be presented as having worked as there will be no increase in mortality as a result of the return to school. A safe bet that this will happen…

112395 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Strange Days, 2, #531 of 1147 🔗

‘In the last few months we have been sailing into the teeth of a gale, there is no question,’ Boris Johnson said (at first Cabinet meeting since recess).

‘And sometimes it is necessary to tack here and there in response to the facts as they change, as the wind changes.

‘But we have been going steadily in the direction, in the course, that we set out. In that, we have not been blown off that course and that is thanks to you, the Government, but also overwhelmingly it is thanks to the efforts of the British people and the way they have come together, the way our whole country has come together to defeat the virus.’

Downing Street was unable to provide any specific evidence to back up Mr Johnson’s claim that ‘huge numbers’ of office workers are returning. ‘

Daily Mail .

112406 ▶▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Bruno, 1, #532 of 1147 🔗

What a muddled metaphor. Like Alice I don’t believe there’s an atom of meaning in it.

113145 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bruno, #533 of 1147 🔗

Moron Johnson.

112511 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Strange Days, #534 of 1147 🔗

Not sure, I mean it will be hard to challenge if (probably more like when) parents can confirm children have issues with the ‘new normal’ eg. thermometers zapped constantly at their heads causing issues; someone has a serious difficulty with a mask; I believe people have actually collapsed & in some cases died as a result of mask wearing..can’t recall where I read that though.

112678 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to tonys, 2, #535 of 1147 🔗

Schools have been back for 2 weeks here in Sweden and no Covid spikes yet!

112367 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to mjr, 7, #536 of 1147 🔗

Because our utter capitulation to their scamdemic is what they want, complete control over all aspects of our lives and the destruction of a free health service and education system at the same time culling the elderly. This is their idea of the New Normal.

112364 crimsonpirate, 2, #537 of 1147 🔗
112370 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 3, #538 of 1147 🔗

Can this terrifying news seriously be true? Has anyone else read this on any other sites?
http://tapnewswire.com/2020/08/fda-nears-approval-of-injectable-biochip-implants-for-covid-detection-linked-to-computers/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=786c7454-b962-4bf0-8b7c-0fd9388c5542

OK – I see it here too, but are the sources creditable? So bloody hard to know!

112375 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Melangell, 4, #539 of 1147 🔗

And people scoffed at the idea of being microchipped! Gates and his missus should be put down.

112377 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to Melangell, #540 of 1147 🔗

Sorry – last link should be: https://wearethene.ws/notable/135184
and “creditible” shoulda bin “credible”!

112380 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Melangell, 3, #541 of 1147 🔗

Read about it a while back, Gates et al been working on it for years along with modified mosquitoes that can inject vaccines – not joking.

112385 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #542 of 1147 🔗

I remember seeing that about the mosquitos on the Plandemic documentary…It’s truly horrifying that the FDA are nearing approval for the chip.

113147 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mr Dee, #544 of 1147 🔗

Introducing non native species never turns out well.

112418 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #546 of 1147 🔗

Problem is partly the man is a freakin’ loon who as a geek in high school sees this as the ultimate geek revenge.

112446 ▶▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Awkward Git, #548 of 1147 🔗

That’s a seriously nasty website. It starts off by saying that Gates is a paedophile and also Jewish!!!!

112437 ▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to KBuchanan, 1, #549 of 1147 🔗

He certainly came across like that on the Plandemic docu – what a creep!

112468 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Melangell, 2, #550 of 1147 🔗

His parents were Jewish therefore he is. You cannot renounce being Jewish, or muslim, like you can being a christian.

The paedophile rumours have been circulating for years and was strengthened by his many visits to Epstein’s Island.

Follow some of the links on them website, see where they lead as there is a lot of stuff on it that has come out over the past few years.

113149 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Awkward Git, #551 of 1147 🔗

He flaps his arms about in the air quite often. I wish he would fly away and get too close to the Sun.

112383 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Melangell, #552 of 1147 🔗

https://profusa.com/

Check their website out for yourself.

112394 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Mr Dee, #553 of 1147 🔗

On the website Profusa describes their body sensing nano-technology but not the sensational claims of what these are being developed for nor that the FDA is set to approve them. That sort of thing is what worries me and makes me wonder if there could be an unjustifiable leap from fact to hypothesis.

112675 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Melangell, #554 of 1147 🔗

‘The Department of Defense, and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, have partnered with a Silicon Valley company, Profusa , to implement a technology which could control our minds and bodies. What may seem like science fiction, is in fact happening in real-time’.

Well, well, Bill G again – what a surprise (not)…!
And people still say we are conspiracy theorists…

112374 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #555 of 1147 🔗

The fear porn from the BBC continues:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53978430

112382 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #556 of 1147 🔗

All nudists’ fault, eh?

112404 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #557 of 1147 🔗

They were probably putting the swab in the wrong hole causing a spike in false positives

112568 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #558 of 1147 🔗

Well, they have said that they can detect Covid in sewage 😉

112579 ▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Ewan Duffy, #559 of 1147 🔗

Which reminds me, what has happened to the plan announced weeks ago that they were going to test locally for Covid in sewage in England? Maybe they haven’t found any!

113152 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to DressageRider, #560 of 1147 🔗

A city in Italy around ten years ago tested their sewage for traces of nicotine. They were planning on making a map of the areas where the trace amounts were higher as part of a future campaign to stomp out the perpetrators.

112384 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #561 of 1147 🔗
112388 Somepeoplearesostupid, replying to Somepeoplearesostupid, 1, #562 of 1147 🔗

The government consultation document which will allow unlicensed vaccines to be used. The consultation states responding up until 18th September. As other have already posted this is the link for responding online. https://consultations.dhsc.gov.uk/5f43b8aca0980b6fc0198f9f . However when I click on the link, I receive a statement which says thank you for your response! So either there is a problem with the link or responding is being blocked? Anyone else have the same issue?

112502 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Somepeoplearesostupid, #563 of 1147 🔗
112620 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Somepeoplearesostupid, #564 of 1147 🔗

Used it this morning, no problems.

112390 Stephen McMurray, replying to Stephen McMurray, 26, #565 of 1147 🔗

I am currently trying to get the message across to our MLAs in Northern Ireland that the covid ‘crisis’ is over. I previously looked at the stats and informed them that there has been a 96.5% drop in deaths since April. This is my latest e-mail to them as I think they are not aware of the actual figures but are listening to the Chief Medical officer and nobody else.

Hello

On Friday 28 August we had more fear-mongering pronouncements made by the Health Minister and his advisors, again stating that cases of people testing positive are on the rise and it has nothing to do with extra testing. As a result of this statement, I went to the official repository of official statistics in relation to covid, The Northern Ireland Statistics and Research Agency. Here is what I found –

On 27th June there were 90783 completed individual lab tests with 5694 positive tests. That is 6.27 % of tests that were positive

On 27th July there were 122757 completed individual lab tests with 5891 positive tests. That is 4.8% of tests that were positive.

On 27th August there were 218804 completed individual lab tests with 7069 positive tests. That is 3.23% of tests that were positive.

https://email.bt.com/mail/bin?r=%7B%22method%22%3A%22mail.message.attachment.getPart%22%2C%22params%22%3A%7B%22accountId%22%3A%22%22%2C%22uid%22%3A%22422965%22%2C%22folder%22%3A%22Sent%22%2C%22part%22%3A%221%22%2C%22wantsTranscoding%22%3A%22false%22%7D%7D&csrf=Y7IoQRdxcPfWiZ5HE0jcBw

Therefore, in the last two months, the number of positive cases to tests completed has fallen by 48%. I cannot comprehend how a 48% decrease can be misconstrued as positive cases increasing disproportionately to tests completed.

Furthermore, I discovered other very interesting statistics.

For the last 4 weeks up until weekending 21.08 .20 (the last available date the statistics cover) there were 16 covid-related deaths. In the previous 4 weeks there were 29. Therefore in the lats months there have been a 45% reduction in covid- related deaths.

On 28th August there were only 2.13% of ICU beds occupied by covid patients. Back In April it was 45%. As of 26 August, the number of covid patients occupying beds is 0.55% of the total amount occupied.

So there has been a 48% drop in positive cases compared to tests in the last 2 months and a 45% reduction in covid related deaths in the last month. Whilst there is a miniscule percentage of covid patients occupying hospital beds. How, by any standards, can this be viewed as anything other than great news? Why the doom-laden, fear-mongering?

But here are the really interesting statistics –
By weekending 21 August there were 50 excess deaths compared to the 5 yearly average, only 6 of which were covid-related. Therefore, 88 % of excess deaths in the last week are a result of lockdown and the continuing promotion of fear amidst the public. The obsession with covid above everything else has led to cancelled procedures and the incessant fear-mongering has led to patients being too afraid to go to their doctors or the hospitals. The excess deaths are now, not a result of covid, but of the covid-obssession policies of the government. The statistics clearly prove the covid threat is being wildly exaggerated and the more the fear is prolonged, the more deaths there will be. There is a waiting list of over 300, 000 people and yet 18% of hospital beds are currently empty. Can someone please explain this? All the executive can talk about is covid, which affects a tiny minority of people whilst 300,000 people get ignored. Are these people’s lives not important because they are not covid patients?

It is also interesting to note that according to the NISRA, up until 27th May any suspected case of covid was treated as a positive case even after they tested negative! Thus, even more exaggerated figures.

On the subject of the threat posed by covid, a recent Stockholm University study has shown the survival rates for anyone aged under 80 without any other serious illness is over 99%! How can the government justify the constant promoting of fear with statistics like that?

You may also want to look at statistics from the Swiss Policy Research Unit https://swprs.org/facts-about-covid-19/ particularly the details of masks. Again, there is no evidence of masks being effective and the World Health Organisation have admitted their change of policy to promote their use was based on political lobbying not science. I would also like to know what ’science’ the decision to make masks mandatory in schools was based on as there is not one reported case in the world where a child has been shown to pass on the disease to an adult.

Regards
Stephen McMurray

112401 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Stephen McMurray, 7, #566 of 1147 🔗

NI resident here. Good on you.

The Fat Emperor website has great stock letters to send to your reps too.

The MPs over MLAs are just as important. They will vote on the extension of the Covid Act. We are now no longer in the same place as in Feb so they need recalibrate their positions.

112441 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Stephen McMurray, 4, #567 of 1147 🔗

Great stats and arguments. I know the media and politicians seem deaf to it at the moment but I guess we keep plugging away.

112396 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 15, #568 of 1147 🔗

I am intrigued by the reports in the comments today about mask compliance going through the roof in recent weeks. How can this be happening at a time when the mainstream narrative is disintegrating, and this is being reported in an increasing number of MSM outlets?

It seems to me that the gap between the realities that the zombies (and I include government/MSM/corporations etc. in this group) and sceptics are inhabiting is becoming unsustainable. Are we even observing the same things? Something has to give. Coexistence is not an option. Given the numbers, it seems obvious to me that we will have to be excluded altogether, either by force (on their terms) or voluntarily (on our terms).

112402 ▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to Richard O, 17, #569 of 1147 🔗

Unemployment is about to go through the roof, and many employers now routinely require DBS checks for all new hires. So the fear of a criminal record and being barred from the labour market for life could be forcing compliance.
Not everyone realises that fixed penalties only go on your DBS record if you challenge them in court.

112445 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Richard O, 8, #570 of 1147 🔗

I think one reason is to do with employment as Snake Oil Pussy suggests. Another possibility is that a lot of people don’t follow the news in detail, but the relentless media message of “masks masks masks” has now got through to them and they vaguely think that wearing a mask anywhere must be a good thing.

112524 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Richard O, 2, #571 of 1147 🔗

Is it the people who have been sheltering in terror under their beds since March at last venturing out because they have to buy stuff for schools? Or because they are forced to due to the end of furlough?

112397 Snake Oil Pussy, 1, #572 of 1147 🔗

Apologies if this has already been posted, please sign to reopen the universities this autumn.

https://www.change.org/p/petition-to-keep-universities-open-this-autumn-term

112412 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 28, #573 of 1147 🔗

I’m starting to feel the exclusion zone effect: firstly, this morning, I was the only bare faced customer in our local Morrison’s. Not challenged, as I wore my badge, but not one person made eye contact.

Masks are now being worn in the open air by increasing numbers of people. I saw a bunch of council workers waiting at a local depot for their shift to start, all wearing masks.

Drivers, school kids, general public, all masked up in the fresh air.

Expressions impossible to discern; wariness everywhere.

My relatives barely speak to me now; the estrangement and its causes go back many years, but it has become more noticeable recently.

A friend- a convinced lockdown adherent rang me this morning. When I recounted the farcical procedures which my dental practice has to enforce, she exclaimed: ‘ but, we’re in the middle of a pandemic Wendy; these rules are necessary to stop the spread’!!

Wearily I tried to counter this assertion with the devastating consequences of the endless lockdown adjustments, but she was having none of it.

Even giving concrete examples of job losses, ruined prospects, impoverishment andburdens borne by small local businesses failed to breech the hideaway armour plating.

My message falls on deaf ears in the main, even though a few have quietly confided their worries and frustration.

For most of my life I’ve challenged various status quos, both at university, at work and in the family setting, but this one is going to be a hard nut to crack.

112420 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to wendyk, 8, #574 of 1147 🔗

You still have us lot to argue with though.

112422 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #575 of 1147 🔗

True

112431 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to wendyk, 13, #576 of 1147 🔗

we’re in the middle of a pandemic

I’d be interested to know how they would define “the middle of a pandemic” and whether they would agree that we were in the middle of a pandemic this time last year – since flu (a bigger killer than coronavirus) was around then, and deaths per week were higher than they are now. Can they define when the pandemic ends? Not a single pro-lockdown person has been able to answer this satisfactorily in my experience.

Very sad to hear people are feeling ostracized because of this, I definitely relate there.

112442 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Tee Ell, 8, #577 of 1147 🔗

I don’t think these folk do definitions; they’re all in the grip of covid compromised cognition, in my opinion.

Thinking, especially outside the coronabox, is off limits.

112457 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to wendyk, 4, #578 of 1147 🔗

Hang in there, Wendy K. At some point normality will reassert itself.

112466 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Alethea, 5, #579 of 1147 🔗

We live in hope here- I hope!

112512 ▶▶▶▶ ikaraki, replying to wendyk, 1, #580 of 1147 🔗

Bwahahahaaa! Last bit is so true.

112438 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to wendyk, 11, #581 of 1147 🔗

There’s something called the coffee machine effect (I’m sure there’s a proper term for it) whereby a worker regularly goes to the coffee machine for a coffee break. Often the business owner will meet the employee at the coffee machine. From the perspective of the business owner they may have the impression that this employee doesn’t do much work because they’re always at the coffee machine getting coffee.

It’s likely that when you go to a supermarket the only people who tend to go there will be ones wearing masks. Those who don’t like to wear masks either won’t bother or minimise their trips out. From your perspective it may seem as if everyone is wearing masks as that’s all you ever see.

112444 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #582 of 1147 🔗

Little choice here, but to go to supermarket for some things, although I do visit small local shops regularly.

However, to take issue with your interesting analogy, masking is definitely increasing. In a small town like this, it’s easier to spot trends.

112462 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to wendyk, 6, #583 of 1147 🔗

Have to agree with you on that point. I went to the supermarket on Sunday ( was the only person not wearing a mask, the stares I got were a sight to behold. Due to my work I have been going to the office since the start of this plandemic on public transport and the buses used to be full, with no mask in sight. I take a train to central London every morning and I’m almost always the only person without a mask. Walk around London Bridge and everybody is wearing mask outside now, office workers, doctors, children… The brainwashing was 100 percent successful. My wife has accepted Idon’t wear a mask , EVER, but she still feels uncomfortable about it..

112470 ▶▶▶▶▶ D B, replying to Thomas_E, 10, #584 of 1147 🔗

I have the same issue with my girlfriend, although she herself is a sceptic, she’s tired of it and has stopped reading content relating to covid, she just wears a mask as it’s easier to do it and not get fined, she says I’m embarrassing to be with and has forced me to promise to wear on n our plane to Greece, which is incidentally on the cusp of being added to the lockdown list. Effing sick of this.

112474 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to D B, 5, #585 of 1147 🔗

I feel your pain..I wore it on the plane to Croatia at the end of July. It was a family holiday and we needed 2 weeks of normality so I wore it for their sake. Funnily enough you do not have to wear mask in Croatia for almost anything.It was like being in a snippet of what the world was before all of this nonsense..But not since then and not even when her elderly parents were over to visit us, not having it .

112649 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to D B, 4, #586 of 1147 🔗

My bf is the same – as sceptical as they come and thinks this is the biggest sham in history but still wears a mask out of pure politeness rather than fear. He simply wants a quiet life and doesn’t want to upset mask/lockdown zealots (even though I personally couldn’t give a damn about upsetting someone who is complicit in this dreadful experiment we are currently undergoing)

112461 ▶▶▶ Marie R, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #587 of 1147 🔗

That ties in with what our plumber has just said. He and his wife don’t go out, haven’t done any Rishi deals, won’t support local business as they see it as supporting the government and the message. Almost encouraging the recession to make people wake up

112537 ▶▶ DRW, replying to wendyk, 4, #588 of 1147 🔗

Nearly everyone was muzzled even outside my local shops yesterday, very dispiriting. If the tide is really turning then I don’t see it round here.

112558 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to DRW, 1, #589 of 1147 🔗

Exactly. It’s definitely taken hold here.So depressing.

112565 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to wendyk, 8, #590 of 1147 🔗

Look I’m being optimistic but whoever thinks we are winning here is seriously delusional The MSM controls 98% of the narrative and it’s successfully brainwashed the populous.. My friends are already talking between them ( have one that is still normal) and saying that I probably have some sort of mental illness as I don’t wear a mask, don’t believe that this is a serious pandemic etc..So I have this website and it’s keeping me sane,for now 🙂

112595 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #591 of 1147 🔗

Same here; I feel so despondent and lie low for a while, then return to this site for some welcome fellowship.

112883 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Thomas_E, 1, #592 of 1147 🔗

I’m sensing the same with some friends. I’m hoping the majority have thought “well he was far more involved than me in school when it came to maths/science… and he has read 100s of studies while I have only read the Guardian and the Beeb… so maybe I should leave my mind open” – but some clearly just think I’m selfish ha.

113154 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Thomas_E, #593 of 1147 🔗

Tell them to stop watching the telly and do some research.

113153 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to wendyk, #594 of 1147 🔗

Where are you? I’m in Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

112548 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 5, #595 of 1147 🔗

I take it your friend has not noticed the admittance that the death rates have been exaggerated even falsified and if we’re in a pandemic then how come we’re not seeing bodies being piled up and cemeteries choc a block with people burying the dead? I read somewhere that people who are in the funerary sector have been furloughed because there’s so little work for them.

112556 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #596 of 1147 🔗

Nothing works Bart; I’ve tried it all. She’s thoroughly brain washed.

112414 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 4, #597 of 1147 🔗

The BBC=Pravda in the U.K.

112430 ▶▶ Julian, replying to richard riewer, 12, #598 of 1147 🔗

They are much more dangerous than that currently I think. I expect in Russia, most people knew Pravda was full of lies. I think most people here still think the BBC tells the truth.

112416 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 8, #599 of 1147 🔗

The BBC has hired a woman to be their disinformation reporter. She dissed Dolores Cahill and Piers Corbyn and called them pseudo scientists. Time to sue the BBC for their disinformation!

112423 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to richard riewer, 3, #600 of 1147 🔗

How can you bear to watch it?

112515 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to richard riewer, 4, #601 of 1147 🔗

Especially since Piers Corbyn is an astrophysicist, hardly a pseudo scientist.

112520 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to richard riewer, 2, #602 of 1147 🔗

Just another pseudo journalist working for pseudo impartial BBC

112421 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 7, #603 of 1147 🔗

So the BBC will allow singing at the Proms but only a few chosen singers on stage and they’ll allow us to sing at home!! Wow I’m ever so thankful milords, (touches forelock) Somehow without the Albert Hall audience singing their hearts out and waving flags, it’s going to be a pretty bland affair, so no thanks.

112425 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #604 of 1147 🔗

You could copy the clap for the NHS and have already throw out their windows and sing everywhere in the world?

112933 ▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to Bella Donna, #605 of 1147 🔗

They would rather have a few chosen anti-socially distanced singers on stage than a crowd of people turning up outside to wave flags and sing it as it should be sung.

112424 richard riewer, 3, #606 of 1147 🔗

Cockup called the MHRA independent and the best in the world. They were funded up to 400 thousand dollars by the Gates Foundation last September and will supposedly decide if any vaccine or vaccines are ready to be deployed. Vernon Coleman was on Richie Allen September 1, 2020. I am listening to it now. Extinction Rebellion has been allowed to demonstrate in London. No fines yet.

112434 Polemon2, replying to Polemon2, 10, #607 of 1147 🔗

The way to prevent any increase in “cases” is to stop testing. The more testing, the more will be found.
I seem to remember a similar NHS “campaign” testing for sugar levels which “discovered” a Diabetes problem that suddenly needed immediate attention (as long as they got some more money to deal with it of course!)

112448 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Polemon2, 6, #608 of 1147 🔗

Bus stop near where I live carries the NHS advert:

“Let’s get back to the things we love. Let’s get tested.”

The campaign is here: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/nhs-test-and-trace-launches-campaign-to-encourage-everyone-with-symptoms-to-get-a-free-test

Strikes me that this is likely to have the opposite effect.

112493 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Ozzie, 5, #609 of 1147 🔗

Anyone else noticed the NHS advert mentioning a complete reset? in ways of doing things. Just seems like an odd word, unless it really is meant to be a form of subliminal message. Hancock waxing lyrical about all these extra Dr’s & Nurses – well the NHS is still, for a great many people, shut!

113156 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ozzie, #610 of 1147 🔗

Dear NHS, screw you. Propagandists.

112440 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 2, #612 of 1147 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/sep/01/male-suicide-rate-england-wales-covid-19

Just found this: even the Graun is starting to join up the dots.

More evidence of devastation.

112447 ▶▶ Youth_Unheard, replying to wendyk, 2, #613 of 1147 🔗

“although there was no guarantee that the pandemic would increase suicide rates” wow they really are struggling with the concept that lockdown may actually not be perfect!

112459 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Youth_Unheard, 1, #614 of 1147 🔗

Aren’t they just! At least they’ve published it though…

112451 ▶▶ Marie R, replying to wendyk, #615 of 1147 🔗

I thought that….but it’s 2019…..seems like a far away time

112463 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Marie R, #616 of 1147 🔗

True but they do manage to infer that 2020 might well be a whole lot worse.

A small step in the right direction for the righteous Graun

112449 Melangell, replying to Melangell, 3, #617 of 1147 🔗

Not too much evidence of muzzle wearing here in West Wales fortunately, but every shopkeeper seems to have bought shares in hand sanitiser companies. I thought that sanitisers only killed bacteria, not viruses, so when the woman behind the counter in a local giftshop nervously thrust towards me a plastic box in which to place my cash after a purchase yesterday, and proceeded to thank me because “now she wouldn’t have to sanitise her hands”, I proffered this argument in a polite and friendly way. It was of course met with horror and confusion, making it unlikely for me to visit the shop again. But was I right??? What’s the justification behind the foul goop?

112458 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Melangell, 4, #618 of 1147 🔗

Depends on the alcohol content of the sanitizer. If high enough it will in principle zap viruses. Soap and water more reliable though.

112472 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #619 of 1147 🔗

bleach also does the job
now thats a good wheeze.. next time you go into a shop and they insist that you use a hand sanitizer tell them that it doesnt work on viruses, pull out a bottle of domestos (that you have previously emptied and filled with water – but still with a bleach smell) and use that and insist that they use it

112477 ▶▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to mjr, 1, #620 of 1147 🔗

I sometimes use a bottle of eucalyptus oil and water in a spray bottle, but more often forget to take it. I wish I had a better argument against the vile stuff to stop ’em in their tracks.

112489 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Melangell, #621 of 1147 🔗

The MSM, & it seems many school unions, would have you believe that every single human being is carrying the dreaded lurgy & to go within 18 inches of them is risking certain death… so ask them how many lurgy-infested humans have smeared their covid-infested hands on said container of hand sanitizer today… 🙂

112518 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to mjr, #622 of 1147 🔗

Does it definitely not work on viruses? (I’m gathering evidence to bombard my daughter’s head-teacher – poor thing).

112517 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Melangell, 1, #623 of 1147 🔗

My 9-year old daughter looks like she’ll be forced to use hand sanitiser every 5 seconds at school. Is there a danger in over-use? Any studies done on its effectiveness? I’m the type of parent who lets her walk barefoot through woods and on muddy paths – so this over-sanitisation really goes against the grain.

112522 ▶▶▶ tallandbald, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #624 of 1147 🔗

I have just instructed my daughter to use it once or twice a day and just pretend all the other times.

112553 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to alw, #626 of 1147 🔗

Excellent. Thanks! Much appreciated.

112642 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #627 of 1147 🔗

I would have though that constant killing of the harmless pathogens that normally live on our hands would lead to the creation of bacterial superbugs as well as weakened immune systems which don’t get their regular ‘updates’ – but I’m not a scientist or doctor so don’t take my word for it.

112450 Drawde927, replying to Drawde927, 2, #628 of 1147 🔗

Anyone know more about the facts behind the apparent genuine increase in hospitalisations/deaths in Spain?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/02/madrid-leading-spain-europe-covid-second-wave/ (This is a Telegraph article and behind a paywall, but the subject is probably covered elsewhere)

The article does have a rather scaremongering tone (surely 16% hospital occupancy isn’t “severe strain”) but it does look like there’s a genuine increase in actual symptomatic cases and deaths, not just a “casedemic” as in the UK.

I would have thought Madrid would have been one of the hardest-hit areas early on and hence earliest to burn out (like London). Maybe the early, severe lockdown prevented immunity/burnout, but in this case wouldn’t hospital cases have started to increase sooner after restrictions were eased?

112480 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Drawde927, 1, #629 of 1147 🔗

Spanish Flu 2020 perhaps? Which would be a rather neat completion of that historical circle. I’ve thought for some time that the “second wave” was always likely to be the first wave of a new pathogen.

112483 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Drawde927, #630 of 1147 🔗

The best I’ve seen from 28th Aug is this link
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/josegefaell_activity-6705204409086861312-gjhO

There is an increase in cases,hospitalizations,ICUs and deaths but considering the numbers infected now,almost as much as in March,the actual deaths ,hospitalizations are much lower.Very difficult to interpret some Spanish figures many hospitalized but many discharged quickly

112562 ▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to swedenborg, #631 of 1147 🔗

Thanks for the link. From the charts shown, it looks like the increase in deaths starting in August has been at a relatively constant low level for a month or so, rather than rapidly spiking like back in March.

112452 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #632 of 1147 🔗

Thought you all might like these pics friend sent, can only add them 1 at a time though

1st one spot the similarity? They are all US election years.

112453 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, #633 of 1147 🔗

Should have said nearly all US election years or very close to them.

112797 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Awkward Git, #634 of 1147 🔗

I don’t think the point is a bad one, but only 2 of those 6 were election years. 2 were the year after an election and 2 were mid-term. Unless you’re counting mid term elections, not just presidential elections, but if so, I think it’s a stretch because every other year is a presidential or mid term election, so you’re straying into territory where coincidence is as likely as anything else.

112454 Awkward Git, 3, #635 of 1147 🔗

No. 2

112455 Awkward Git, 6, #636 of 1147 🔗

No. 3

112456 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 30, #637 of 1147 🔗

The OH and I have decided to return to lockdown

The new ‘freedoms’ granted to us by the dictator have made life worse than under the lockdown

We returned to the pubs. It was like playing a game of twister invented and imposed by a government psychopath.

Give us your name and address, enjoy your drink and then please fuck off. Whilst your here don’t step on the red circle, keep your left hand on green circle. Sit in your seat, don’t get up, or talk to anyone, and most important of all don’t enjoy yourself

Restaurants, shops, and public transport are the same

We are fed up of meeting fucking idiots who should be vapourised as soon as they open their mouths

I’m reminded of Websters speech in Band of Brothers

https://youtu.be/K_DnRn9hyFU

For us it’s back to long walks in isolation with a few beers and a bottle of the red stuff in the rucksack

112488 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 15, #638 of 1147 🔗

I know what you mean Cecil B.
Surprised to find myself a ‘key worker’ so out and about from March 23rd, once I realised we were not facing the bubonic plague from hell as portrayed in the press I began to enjoy having the roads to myself, not having a boss to answer to, a friendly nod from a passing Police driver, no queues in shops or petrol stations. Being told to stay clear of the office was fine by me.
Everyone else that one met was in the same boat, key workers in an uncertain world so a degree of camaraderie existed.

But as lockdown slowly eased in came the asinine new ‘rules’; you can sit on a park bench!, but not eat a sandwich, you can meet 2 or 3 or 4 persons in or not in your bubble WTF? Now you can have a picnic on the bench but not on the grass. Some shops/taxis Card only, others cash only.
And then if course the fucking masks but by then I had found LS and knew I was exempt.

To be honest life was a lot more free and easy during full lockdown.

112687 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to karenovirus, 2, #639 of 1147 🔗

Although I loathe the police, the government and all the control-freakery, I have to agree with you. I ignored the lockdown and went out whenever I felt like it (I had a smallholding that I could refer to as “work”, fifteen miles away, so anything in between was legitimate travel) and it was great to have such cheap petrol and empty roads. My biggest pleasure was ostentatiously sneering at the (rare) police cars, who never attempted to stop me.

We also had the pleasure of looking after the first “quarantinees” at Arrowe Park Hospital. There were cones all along the road in case people demonstrated against their presence, but in fact the quarantinees were deluged with gifts by everyone on the Wirral.

112491 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Cecil B, 7, #640 of 1147 🔗

Yes, I’m pretty much in self-imposed isolation as well even though we’ve supposedly “opened up.” With 100% mask compliance here I really don’t feel it’s worth it to get into a shouting match just to buy a loaf of bread (hubby does all the shopping), I only socialize with people who act “old” normal, and have been to one restaurant out on a patio but won’t eat inside where you have to put on a mask to walk to your table or to go to the washroom. And since I went to the one patio the government has forced track and trace which, if I want to eat out, will simply ignore and use a fake name and number. I rarely go to our place in the city as I prefer the isolation of our place on acreage — don’t have to see a person in a mask! I’ve joked — not funny really — that if our government is stupid enough to impose another lockdown it won’t really affect me as I’m already locked down.

112530 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 2, #641 of 1147 🔗

Same with me, although I am going to my near-normal pub later this week. Tempted to have some fun with the T&T if they’re still bothering with the book.

112689 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to DRW, #642 of 1147 🔗

WRT T&T, all the places I go to, either have ceased mentioning it, or point it out and laugh when everyone announces their name as “Neddy Weetabix” and gives their phone number as 07912345678.

112534 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 3, #643 of 1147 🔗

Exactly the same here. A second lockdown would make absolutely no difference to my current day-to-day living. In many ways what we have now (i.e. the ghastly new normal dystopia being happily constructed by the state and its blind followers) is far worse.

112692 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Richard O, 1, #644 of 1147 🔗

Completely right. It has got to the stage now, where that which cannot be ignored can be circumvented or subverted. I now understand what it was like to live in Soviet Russia.

112475 Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 2, #645 of 1147 🔗

THE EPIDEMIC THAT NEVER WAS: Whooping Cough PCR Tests in Dartmouth 2006:

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/health/22whoop.html

Interesting look back at a casedemic from 2006.

Sounds very familiar to the balls up we’re in now…

and it’s the SAME TEST!

112479 ▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, #646 of 1147 🔗

“Almost everything about the clinical presentation of pertussis, especially early pertussis, is not very specific,” Dr. Kirkland said.
That was the first problem in deciding whether there was an epidemic at Dartmouth.
The second was with P.C.R., the quick test to diagnose the disease, Dr. Kretsinger said.
With pertussis, she said, “there are probably 100 different P.C.R. protocols and methods being used throughout the country,” and it is unclear how often any of them are accurate. “We have had a number of outbreaks where we believe that despite the presence of P.C.R.-positive results, the disease was not pertussis,” Dr. Kretsinger added.
At Dartmouth, when the first suspect pertussis cases emerged and the P.C.R. test showed pertussis, doctors believed it. The results seem completely consistent with the patients’ symptoms.
“That’s how the whole thing got started,” Dr. Kirkland said. Then the doctors decided to test people who did not have severe coughing.

112485 ▶▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 2, #647 of 1147 🔗

Dr. Cathy A. Petti, an infectious disease specialist at the University of Utah, said the story had one clear lesson.
“The big message is that every lab is vulnerable to having false positives,” Dr. Petti said. “No single test result is absolute and that is even more important with a test result based on P.C.R.”
As for Dr. Herndon, though, she now knows she is off the hook.
“I thought I might have caused the epidemic,” she said.

112506 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 2, #648 of 1147 🔗

Yep, Dr Pam Popper’s updates alerted me to this about a week ago – have you checked her out? She has plenty of excellent information.

112546 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #649 of 1147 🔗

Yes, I saw the same video from Dr. Pam Popper and she’s been great! I watch all her videos.

112481 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #650 of 1147 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/02/nancy-pelosi-in-face-covering-row-after-salon-visit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Just an example of what counts as news now. A US politician seen getting her hair done without a mask. Gives me a headache reading this article

112505 ▶▶ Julian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #651 of 1147 🔗

If I had to guess I would say she’s probably strongly pro-mask. One law for them, one for us….

112528 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Julian, #652 of 1147 🔗

lo & behold, it’s all Donald Trump’s fault!

112527 ▶▶ assoc, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #653 of 1147 🔗

But surely the sainted Nancy is exempt from such trivia – the beatific energy she generates cannot be restrained by a muzzle. I often wonder how the world got by before she was born (perhaps she is a reincarnate) and God help us IF she ever dies.

112544 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #654 of 1147 🔗

So stupid! An unforced error by the most powerful female politician in the US. All she had to do was get a mobile hairdresser to come to her. The Dems are handing the election to Trump with their hypocrisy.

112484 PastImperfect, 1, #655 of 1147 🔗
112487 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #656 of 1147 🔗

Blame Game Begins! Boris Used ‘Too Much’ Science & Not Enough Common Sense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ifR2hgb2t0

112503 ▶▶ assoc, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #657 of 1147 🔗

It’s a shame he can’t get his sums right – he has grossly exaggerated the deaths – he claims 1.5% died, 98.5% lived . 1.5% would be over a million people (and really would constitute a crisis). Fortunately the actual rate (by official stats) is less than 1/20th of that, a little under 0.07%, 42000 ish

112507 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to assoc, 2, #658 of 1147 🔗

and of course. that is 42000 died having tested positive for covid and not FROM covid. I think the figure bandied around last week was around 3000 died from covid.

112508 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to assoc, 1, #659 of 1147 🔗

He meant 1.5% of those who died, died with Covid.

It is annoying he does say that.

112519 ▶▶▶▶ assoc, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #660 of 1147 🔗

I believe that some of the general population believe that 7% have died. If that were true even I would admit it was a crisis!

112535 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to assoc, #661 of 1147 🔗

Yeah like 1 million dead people and you call that a crisis ? Get real kid.

112514 ▶▶▶ assoc, replying to assoc, 1, #662 of 1147 🔗

And of course that figure includes all who died WITH the virus rather than OF it. We shall never know but this may represent another order of magnitude, perhaps reducing the true covid deaths to just a few thousands, comparable to a moderate flu.

112533 ▶▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to assoc, 1, #663 of 1147 🔗

Plus I wish he’d blow his nose – ironic as that is!

112541 ▶▶▶ Marie R, replying to assoc, #664 of 1147 🔗

Yes I contacted him directly to point that out

112490 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #665 of 1147 🔗

National Socialist Distancing meet Markxism

Latest News From Fascist Melbourne

Melbourne police arrest a pregnant mother for discussing protesting tyranny on Facebook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swXk11hxB5U

112504 ▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #666 of 1147 🔗

Disgusting…The NKVD all over again. 1937 and all!

https://bedwetters.buzzsprout.com/ 

112510 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 10, #667 of 1147 🔗

Handcuffing a compliant pregnant woman for posting (whatever: left-right, brexit-remain, climate change-climate normal, design-creation) on facebook ? Ye gods what have we become.

112585 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to karenovirus, 4, #668 of 1147 🔗

Charged with incitement too and bailed, disgusting. Seems to be the way of the Victoria police – with other people too.

112618 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #669 of 1147 🔗

There was another video a week or so ago of a guy being hassled by the police for wheeling his rubbish bin to the curb past curfew. He was mere feet from his front door and was “breaking curfew.”

112523 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 12, #670 of 1147 🔗

I’m literally sick to my stomach. Anyone who doesn’t think this is not an existential threat or that democracy can vanish in an instant simply isn’t paying attention. And can’t you just envision these same officers showing up at the door with a syringe? The “just following orders” brigade wouldn’t bat an eye.

112557 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #671 of 1147 🔗

This is disgusting. In her Facebook post she even urged people to wear masks and follow social distancing. It was clearly designed to be a peaceful protest. Appalling that this is the reaction.

112567 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #672 of 1147 🔗

I lost my dinner watching that earlier. This is my state…
Technically though, she’s from outside of Melbourne and their restrictions are easier than ours. And you know the rest of Australians think that she deserve it. On her Facebook post, the amount of laugh emojis are particularly sickening…

112609 ▶▶▶ Michael C, replying to Caramel, 4, #673 of 1147 🔗

‘Those whom the gods seek to destroy they first make mad’! Those laughing at the poor woman will be laughing on the other side of their faces when the stasi come for them.

112498 richard riewer, 1, #674 of 1147 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12sYTdPkEYQ
Cream ‘We’re going wrong’

112500 mjr, replying to mjr, 8, #675 of 1147 🔗

Just seen a new Cancer Research tv ad imploring people to contact their doctors if they notice any changes because they acknowledge that due to project fear no one goes to the doctors anymore and thousands are going undiagnosed
Lets hear it for the NHS !!!!!!!!!

112563 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to mjr, 1, #676 of 1147 🔗

Not totally sure how Cancer Research think contacting the doctor will help. In a lot of instances it seems that people might be offered a phone consultation in 2022. My son sees a private paediatrician every year just for a check up and this doctor was saying his diary is full with appointments from worried parents who can’t get proper, in person appointments for their children. And they, of course, are the lucky ones who can pay £250 for a private alternative.

112529 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 1, #677 of 1147 🔗

https://www.google.com/search?q=coronavirus+tips

This is on the google site. Grrrrrr! Links to gov.uk

112569 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to wendyk, #678 of 1147 🔗

Grrrr indeed!

112532 PaulC, replying to PaulC, 14, #679 of 1147 🔗



I posted this on Sunday (squeezed version below) and was amazed by the responses. I was wondering whether this suggested letter to our MPs would be a worthwhile follow up. I’ve tried to keep it as short as possible but would welcome any thoughts.

Dear
Please could I request that you ask the government in relation to Covid 19 ‘WHAT IS THE END GAME’ ?
For the past 9 weeks the Office for National Statistics has been reporting that of the 9000 or so weekly deaths less than 2% is being caused by Covid 19; whereas over 10% is being caused by summer seasonal flu.
Is the government waiting for a vaccine, which may or may not come; and which is unlikely to be 100% effective? May we not just have to learn to live with this virus as we do with seasonal flu?
Many of us in back in March were suggesting a more nuanced approach along the lines of Sweden with social distancing and good hygiene – and they have performed infinitely better than us with schools open and their economy not completely trashed.
Do you have any idea what the plan is and if so please could you share it with your constituents?
Yours sincerely


((I have done my best to respect the diverse opinions regarding COVID-19 over these past few months, but I have these nagging questions about it… in particular
WHAT IS THE END GAME
Please just take politics out of it and read this with an open mind using common sense.
Can anyone out there who can tell me what our end game is with the Covid 19?
What is the magic formula that is going to allow us to sound the all clear?
Is it zero cases? The only way that will happen is if we just stop testing and stop reporting.
Is it a vaccine?
It took 25 years for a chicken pox vaccine to be developed. The smallpox inoculation was discovered in 1796 the last known natural case was in 1977.We have a flu vaccine that is only 40 to 60% effective and less than half of the UK population choose to get one, and roughly 20,000 British will die of the flu or flu complications. Oh, you’ll mandate it, like other vaccines are mandated in order to attend school, travel to some foreign countries, etc. We already have a growing number of anti-vaxxers refusing proven, tested, well known vaccines that have been administered for decades but aren’t necessarily safe! Do you really think people will flock to get a fast tracked, quickly tested vaccine, whose long term side effects and overall efficacy are anyone’s best guess?
How long are we going to cancel and postpone and reconsider??What if October’s numbers are the same as August’s? You moved football to summer? What if next March is worse than this one was?
When do we decide quality of life outweighs the risks? I understand Covid can be deadly or very dangerous for SOME people, but so are peanuts, strawberries, and so is shellfish. We take risks multiple times a day without a second thought. We know driving a car can be dangerous, we don’t leave it in the garage. We know the dangers of over eating, drinking and smoking and do it anyway
We speed, we don’t fasten our seatbelts. Is hugging Gran really more dangerous than rush hour on the motorway? Is going out with friends after work more risky than 4 day old petrol station sushi?
Or operating a chainsaw? When and how did we so quickly lose our free will? Is there a waiver somewhere we could sign that says, “I understand the risks, but I choose a life with Hugs and Smiles, and the Community Fair and Concerts and Parties.” I understand that there is a minuscule possibility I could die, but I will most likely end up feeling rotten for a few days. I understand I could possibly pass it to someone else, if I’m not careful, but I can pass any virus onto someone else. I’m struggling to see where or how this ends. For 9 weeks the number of people dying from Covid19 is less than those dying of summer seasonal flu. (ONS)
We either get busy living or we get busy dying.))

112540 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to PaulC, 9, #680 of 1147 🔗

It’s hard not to think something more is going on. I had a very frustrating exchange last week with our county’s chief medical officer. We have had ZERO deaths and no more than a handful of cases at any one time since the whole mess started. The day the mask mandate came into effect we had ZERO cases. The bastard renewed the mandate in August. I came to my home up here to escape the madness of the city, but the madness is now everywhere. I asked him how far below ZERO cases would it take for him to at least make mask wearing voluntary again. Other than his cut-and-paste bullshit about following the WHO, CDC, Public Health Ontario, etc., he also claimed the science is settled and then spouted on about the vaccine. I interpret his unscientific, cowardly, bullshit answers as: this is not going to go away. And the sheep keep wearing their masks despite the fact we almost always have ZERO cases.

112545 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to PaulC, 2, #681 of 1147 🔗

Look at this thread: https://twitter.com/SikhsForTruth/status/1293590418165321728
It shows all the new plans they have for us 🙁

112549 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to PaulC, 9, #682 of 1147 🔗

I have put this on John Redwood’s blog.

Maybe we should all write to our MPs.

Dear Prime Minister

Please could I request that you ask the government in relation to Covid 19 ‘WHAT IS THE END GAME’?

For the past 9 weeks the Office for National Statistics has been reporting that of the 9000 or so weekly deaths less than 2% is being caused by Covid 19; whereas over 10% is being caused by summer seasonal flu.

Is the government waiting for a vaccine, which may or may not come; and which is unlikely to be 100% effective? May we not just have to learn to live with this virus as we do with seasonal flu?

Many of us in back in March were suggesting a more nuanced approach along the lines of

Sweden with social distancing and good hygiene – and they have performed infinitely better than us with schools open and their economy not completely trashed.
Do you have any idea what the plan is and if so please could you share it with your constituents?

Yours sincerely

Stephen
Somebody who voted to Take Back Control
NOT have all control taken away from me.

112538 Tommo, replying to Tommo, 2, #683 of 1147 🔗

I keep hearing the argument “it’s not just about the deaths – it’s also about the long term damage to lungs / hearts or whatever”. Does anyone have any stats about how many people are actually suffering long term complications? And how does this compare to influenza?

112547 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tommo, 8, #684 of 1147 🔗

I heard the brainwashed GP I talked to say that kind of thing to justify the lockdown in the light of a low death toll. He mentioned he has seen “many” patients with pulmonry blood clots, lung scarring “that mean they will never be able to breath properly again” so yer, I am wondering if these symptoms are totally unique to “covid” or are they likely with other types of respiratory viruses.

112846 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Two-Six, 1, #685 of 1147 🔗

Unlikely to be specific to Covid. At the end of the day it’s just a coronavirus with a 30k genome. I think people are perhaps crediting it with a bit too much maliciousness.

113018 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to guy153, #686 of 1147 🔗

That’s what I thought, to be honest I didn’t consider the 30k gnomic status too 😉 but I did think he was full of Sh*t.

112550 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Tommo, 7, #687 of 1147 🔗

I’ve read with interest about Long Covid-post covid fatigue and brain fog-(I think BoJo is probably affected by the latter although this shouldn’t exonerate his recent performance)>

A few years ago, ME was dismissed as an all-in-the-mind syndrome mainly affecting ‘neurotic women’.

Now it seems that a virtually identical syndrome is being readily accepted by the establishment.

Another diagnostic U turn.

Interestingly, a friend who suffered from ME for many years, was advised never to have the flu vaccine.

I haven’t got any stats though.

112572 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to wendyk, 9, #688 of 1147 🔗

From the CDC web site:

Most people who get flu will recover in a few days to less than two weeks, but some people will develop complications (such as pneumonia) as a result of flu, some of which can be life-threatening and result in death. Sinus and ear infections are examples of moderate complications from flu, while pneumonia is a serious flu complication that can result from either influenza virus infection alone or from co-infection of flu virus and bacteria. Other possible serious complications triggered by flu can include inflammation of the heart (myocarditis), brain (encephalitis) or muscle (myositis, rhabdomyolysis) tissues, and multi-organ failure (for example, respiratory and kidney failure). Flu virus infection of the respiratory tract can trigger an extreme inflammatory response in the body and can lead to sepsis , the body’s life-threatening response to infection. Flu also can make chronic medical problems worse. For example, people with asthma may experience asthma attacks while they have flu, and people with chronic heart disease may experience a worsening of this condition triggered by flu.

There is a ton of research on long-term effects of the flu. Bottom line: any virus can have long-term consequences, particularly if you’re not that healthy. This virus is acting like all viruses, but since it’s supposedly “novel” it appears the entire medical profession chooses to act shocked by this obvious truth.

112606 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 2, #689 of 1147 🔗

I curse the day they chose to use the word “novel” with this virus. All it means is “new,” not brand new, never seen before anywhere in the universe new.

112554 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to Tommo, 2, #690 of 1147 🔗

A two second search found this: “Influenza virus-induced lung injury: pathogenesis and implications for treatment” — https://erj.ersjournals.com/content/45/5/1463
Doubtless, there’s plenty more “phish” in the sea…

112591 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Tommo, 3, #691 of 1147 🔗

How can anyone identify long term effects of something 6 months old at most?
Or have we redefined long term to mean something new?

112613 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Polemon2, 3, #692 of 1147 🔗

What’s particularly galling is that there is so much interest in the long-term consequences of Covid, but no such interest in the potential long-term (or even short- or medium-term) consequences of a vaccine. Del Bigtree’s non-profit, ICAN, successfully got the FDA to require a placebo (saline) control group for the vaccines being tested in the US — believe it or not, all the current vaccines have never been tested against a placebo control, only against other untested vaccines. Now the pharma companies are trying to get around this by severely limiting the time for report side effects. This, too, is typical of all vaccine trials. Basically unless you have a seizure or drop dead in the doctor’s office immediately after being vaccinated, any reaction or injury will not be acknowledged as being related to the vaccine.

112632 ▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 4, #693 of 1147 🔗

You’re right, and there is also no interest in the long-term effects of lockdown, or masks, or antisocial distancing. It beggars belief that some people still think lockdown is an acceptable way of dealing with an infectious disease and that its (zero) benefits outweigh its many, many costs.

112704 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Poppy, #694 of 1147 🔗

They’re very selective about which long-term consequences they’re interested in. Long-term consequences of not being treated for cancer (early death), long-term consequences of turning kids into germaphobes (a real epidemic of mental illness), long-term consequences of unemployment (too many to mention), etc. It’s criminal.

112663 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tommo, 3, #695 of 1147 🔗

The first time I hear anyone tell me they are ‘Long Covid’, and it’s gonna happen, I worry for what I may do. The nearest window might have a me shaped hole in it.

112683 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #696 of 1147 🔗

Does that include double glazed windows? I have your well being in mind.

112780 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Tommo, #697 of 1147 🔗

Many fewer reach the damaging stage of the disease if they get HCQ treatment in the early stages. However, the evil medical agencies of the government in the western nations have banned the use of HCQ. We don’t need any bloody expensive vaccine because HCQ is a safe, effective cheap treatment.

Cancel the payments to SmithKlineGlaxo, GAVI or whoever and use the cash to help small and medium-size businesses get back on their feet.

Time to make a stink about it.

112832 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Tommo, #698 of 1147 🔗

A very good summary by Balloux here:

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1284513419454971905?s=09

I heard on MedCram that about half of people who had severe pneumonia have some extended issues probably caused by lung damage, perhaps also by thrombosis type issues.

I’ve seen a lot of exaggerated claims that SARS2 infects the heart, kidneys, brain etc but without any evidence. When someone does an autopsy and finds a significant amount of virus in those organs will be the time to start worrying.

113105 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to guy153, #699 of 1147 🔗

I did see an article on Medscape where a pathologist said they found all the major organs ravaged by covid19 during autopsies. I can’t find the link again or would post it.

113345 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #700 of 1147 🔗

Ravaged yes. Hypoxia and death will do that. But not infected with virus. This is all speculation. I’ve not seen anything that suggests convincingly that SARS2 is doing anything radically different from any other respiratory virus, which is give you a cold and sometimes very serious pneumonia. Yes it does a bit of immune system evasion, but all viruses that get past the first gate do this. A few immune cells may also get infected, but this is also not unusual. It’s not HIV. It may also have some special features due to its effect on ACE2 receptors, which are certainly worth understanding as they inform treatments, but not getting alarmed about.

If it was doing anything that crazy millions of people who’ve been infected in the last six months would not now be totally fine. It’s the kind of thing you could have scared people with at the beginning but it’s a bit late for that now. We’ve just done an extremely large trial on the general public with this virus and it really wasn’t that bad.

112539 GreenAcres, 5, #701 of 1147 🔗

Bolton is back in local lockdown but what is the actual situation on the ground:

(An) elected official claimed that no patients were in critical care at the Royal Bolton Hospital with coronavirus, and no admissions to the hospital in the last 24 hours have involved covid-19.

He also said that only one coronavirus patient is being cared for by the borough’s hospital.

The above quote was taken from the local newspaper online.

112543 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 7, #702 of 1147 🔗

Destroying our lives to save lives.

Wankers, all of them!

112559 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to stefarm, 1, #703 of 1147 🔗

Destroying lives to ruin lives

Agree with the second bit

112581 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to stefarm, 4, #704 of 1147 🔗

Destroying our lives to save lives themselves. There, fixed it for you.

112590 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Achilles, #705 of 1147 🔗

Nice one, wankers all of them

112551 leggy, 3, #706 of 1147 🔗

I don’t recall seeing this in here before, apologies if it’s a repost, but worth a read regarding views on civil liberties.

https://thecritic.co.uk/liberty-in-lockdown/

112555 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 8, #707 of 1147 🔗

I don’t recognise my country anymore…

112560 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Caramel, 8, #708 of 1147 🔗

I wish they would just get on with it and start killing people. Enough with this incremental bullshit, 99% can’t see it and the 1% who can will not change the outcome.

I’d wager that s ome people are so aroused by the new normal they would gladly sacrifice their own children if ordered to do so by the state.

112564 ▶▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Richard O, 10, #709 of 1147 🔗

Imagine most people in early 30’s Germany would never have though what happened next was possible. Couldn’t happen now as humans have evolved so much over the generations in the last 70 years…

112571 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Gerry Mandarin, 4, #710 of 1147 🔗

To give the Germans of that era some credit (where we today deserve none whatsoever), there was widespread disdain for democratic institutions after the Great Depression. Over half of the electorate voted for totalitarian parties openly committed to the overthrow of the Weimar Republic in successive elections before the Nazis assumed power. It was well understood that there would be widespread repression if either the Nazis or the Communists took over.

112586 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Richard O, 3, #711 of 1147 🔗

In a similar vein I’ve been reading about the Russian Revolution. A blinkered but well meaning Tsar,locked into his disastrous autocratic role; widespread public unrest, famine, WW1, Rasputin, a brief flirtation with a form of democracy Russian style and then Lenin and the civil War.

112658 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to wendyk, #712 of 1147 🔗

The real parallel is what happens if you have a retarded idiot in charge of things. Romanov’s or Tory Spivs.

112680 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to RickH, 3, #713 of 1147 🔗

But just imagine if we’d ended up with a Corbyn-Sturgeon arrangement-it was mooted before BoJo won.

112656 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Caramel, #714 of 1147 🔗

Atlas Shrugged

112570 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #715 of 1147 🔗

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.01.277152v1

Jumping back and forth: anthropozoonotic and zoonotic transmission of SARS-CoV-2 on mink farms
“We conclude that the virus was initially introduced from humans and has evolved, most likely reflecting widespread circulation among mink in the beginning of the infection period several weeks prior to detection. At the moment, despite enhanced biosecurity, early warning surveillance and immediate culling of infected farms, there is ongoing transmission between mink farms with three big transmission clusters with unknown modes of transmission. We also describe the first animal to human transmissions of SARS-CoV-2 in mink farms.
 Complicated from Netherlands. First human infect minks. Then big outbreaks in minks. Then mink infect humans.

112576 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to swedenborg, 2, #716 of 1147 🔗

Mandatory masks for minks it is then.

This smells like conditioning to eliminate all human interaction with animals in preparation for depopulating rural areas and forcing everyone into smart cities (see UN Agenda 21).

Pet owners take note. Your dogs and cats will be in the gunsights before long.

112598 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Richard O, #717 of 1147 🔗

The Foreign Office’s cat retired just in time. Now it’s free to roam the countryside, chasing rodents.

112611 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Richard O, 1, #718 of 1147 🔗

Why not?

Royal Society DELVE who’s report Government are touting as proof masks work used 1 study on a hamster as there were no human RCTs conducted they could find.

112646 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #719 of 1147 🔗

Thanks for the reminder, that story was so ludicrous I’d actually managed to forget it!

Make that mandatory masks for mammals.

112823 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Richard O, 1, #720 of 1147 🔗

A more sombre take of this article would be that it is impossible to stop this virus transmission everywhere in the world unless we have reached herd immunity the natural way

112987 ▶▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Richard O, #721 of 1147 🔗

That was on the cards when some cat tested positive for Covid. Who gets their cat tested for Covid?

112580 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to swedenborg, #722 of 1147 🔗

Covid mink coats. All the rage.

112822 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to richard riewer, #723 of 1147 🔗

Do you have a licence for that Minkey? I’m sorry, I thought you said Minkey.

Mask The Mink is my demand.

112830 ▶▶ matt, replying to swedenborg, #724 of 1147 🔗

This – surely – adds to the insanity of even considering elimination?

112919 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to swedenborg, #725 of 1147 🔗

Rather than let all these mink furs got to waste they could turn them into masks or merkins (same thing really).

112573 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #726 of 1147 🔗

There’s a cafe I’ve been going into intermittently since this lockdown and today I decided to treat myself to try their food. Was asked for my contact details, so I said “I do not consent” and the waitress was fine with it.

Next to me were two women, the ladies who lunch type talking about stuff like zumba and gym where a younger woman who they knew walked past and had a brief chat with them. What the younger woman said caused my ears to perk up.

She informed the two older ladies that she was being made redundant as the salon she was working at was shutting down and she’s been busy job hunting. The two ladies commiserated with her and said that they hoped that she finds a new job ASAP.

That little exchange made my blood boil. Made me wonder if all three of them have realised that its all this insanity that has caused that lady to lose her job and her employer to close his/her business.

Boris and co, I hope you’re happy. Another one bites the dust.

112578 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #727 of 1147 🔗

I’m sure that it doesn’t bother Boris in the slightest. Otherwise he would not have prolonged this farce until who knows when.

112584 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to richard riewer, 6, #728 of 1147 🔗

Because he’s not affected that’s why. He has some private wealth to fall back on, as well as pensions and royalties from book sales..

The government and the Establishment’s attitude towards us in this crisis is “let them eat cake”

112593 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #729 of 1147 🔗

Banbury buns.

112665 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to richard riewer, 8, #730 of 1147 🔗

I was talking to a lady on a narrow boat the other day, both her and her hubby were trainee lockdown sceptics. SHe said that I was the first person she had talked to that thought it was all crzay like they did. So she said they had a family friend who’s son 18, just killed himself because of lack of hope for the future. There goes another one.

112667 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Two-Six, 6, #731 of 1147 🔗

I remember the sadness and anger in my grandfather’s voice when he related how great numbers of young men – 15, 16, 17-year olds – killed themselves during the Great Depression for the same reason. He blamed the government of the time – “Worse than vermin,” he spat.

History is repeating itself.

112583 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #732 of 1147 🔗

Which is virtually what I’ve been saying to my brain washed friend-(see our exchange below).

Nothing can get through to people like this, most of whom have secure incomes and assets.

112589 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to wendyk, 4, #733 of 1147 🔗

Exactly. They have something to fall back on – secure income, assets, living in a large house in the shires or a lovely neighbourhood in the city.

I think the only way our message will get through their thick skulls is when they or someone they know gets cancer and can’t get treatment or Sunak pushes through with his raid on their pensions and assets.

112625 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #734 of 1147 🔗

Little exchanges like this make my blood boil too. The way that some people are just so glib about other people losing their jobs, talking about it as if it’s the bloody weather, as if they’ll find another job as easily as they can find a loaf of bread in the supermarket or something. They don’t care until it happens to them.

112645 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 4, #735 of 1147 🔗

Agree. My culture places a premium on respecting one’s elders but with this crisis I find it hard to respect many people older than me, reasoning with them is no different to hitting one’s head on a brick wall repeatedly and they expose themselves to be unpleasant people who don’t care about other people and that they’re OK because its not affecting them.

112787 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #736 of 1147 🔗

Do not acquiesce … en mass.

112574 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 17, #737 of 1147 🔗

I swear right now if there is a jolly Christmas advert this year that has Santa and Rudolph wearing masks my TV is going through the f***ing window.

112588 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Achilles, 7, #738 of 1147 🔗

I’m expecting cringey ads of families enjoying their Christmas ‘together’ through video calls.

112621 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to DRW, 10, #739 of 1147 🔗

Cringe indeed. The John Lewis Christmas ad this year will be an elderly person in a mask sat alone in a room while a breathy, ‘contemporary’ rendition of Vera Lynn’s ‘We’ll Meet Again’ by Billie Eilish or someone like that plays over the ad and then the elderly person will receive a present and it’ll be an iPad so they can chat with their family ‘from a distance’.

112640 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Poppy, 4, #740 of 1147 🔗

Brilliant! I can only improve that picture by adding an obese dog at her feet.

112643 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Poppy, 6, #741 of 1147 🔗

At least here in Sweden Anders Tegnell is talking about the elderly soon being able to emerge from isolation.. Saw a headline today about being able to have Christmas with elderly relatives 🙂
So why is Matt Hancock saying the exact opposite?

112666 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Carrie, 1, #742 of 1147 🔗

Because he enjoys twisting the knife deeper.

112685 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Carrie, #743 of 1147 🔗

I thought shielding was ‘paused’ or has that gone the way of the piri-ometer?

112651 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Poppy, #744 of 1147 🔗

yer really just like that…….with her family wearing masks with holly on

112653 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Poppy, #745 of 1147 🔗

Fortunately John Lewis have gone bust haven’t they?

112962 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Two-Six, #746 of 1147 🔗

They haven’t but I suspect that a big budget advert will be the last thing on their minds following abysmal sales and having to close 8 branches.

112681 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Poppy, 2, #747 of 1147 🔗

My in laws live in Wales and are worried about Christmas on their own. WHo is going to stop them visiting?! we are saying just come.
Not sure about whether there will be a carol service in church though 🙁

112684 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Poppy, 1, #748 of 1147 🔗

And the worse part is that the majority will absolutely love it.

112594 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Achilles, 5, #749 of 1147 🔗

Thank God I don’t have a telly but you can bet that you’ll see adverts like that on bus stops or in the Underground.

I’ll need to bring a machete to hack through those.

112679 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, #750 of 1147 🔗

We have government sponsored adverts in Montreal with people wearing masks popping up everywhere. The message is if you wear a mask you show Respect, Solidarity, Courage and Conviction. If you don’t, well …?

112696 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to richard riewer, 2, #751 of 1147 🔗

If you don’t, you’re human.

112706 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to richard riewer, 6, #752 of 1147 🔗

Talk about Satanic inversion.

Respect = Narcissism
Solidarity = Dehumanisation
Courage = Fear
Conviction = Ignorance

112861 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to richard riewer, #753 of 1147 🔗

Oh dear…..I’ve seen one here from a charity where you have two people social distancing and wearing masks “talking” to one another,

I think I would rather watch paint dry.

112575 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 12, #754 of 1147 🔗

We should have said no from the very beginning. Remember flatten the curve? Or, three more weeks should it? They were stalling for time. The fix was in from the very beginning and the government used tried and tested methods to abuse us and confuse us to prolong the lockdown. The methods worked so well that they decided to continue the obfuscation, lies, deceit and misinformation indefinitely. Revelations like the recent CDC in the U.S.A. should piss off every thinking person on this planet, even the bedwetters. We were taken for a ride. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
https://knowyourphrase.com/fool-me-once

112601 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to richard riewer, 2, #755 of 1147 🔗

George Bush never could get that one right. Seems like the rest of the population took lessons from him.

112577 Catherine, replying to Catherine, 6, #756 of 1147 🔗

Fuming. My child’s secondary school has got progressively more pro-mask each day this week in their emails. I have emailed them to say my child is unable to wear a mask. They aren’t saying they are compulsory though.
So frustrating! They return tomorrow so I await news on how many children do wear them.

112638 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Catherine, #757 of 1147 🔗

Just thinking – schools take photographs of children usually, don’t they? And often calls photos… So will kids be masked in school photos this year?

112582 Schrodinger, replying to Schrodinger, 4, #758 of 1147 🔗

Apologies if someone has shared this previously. Hard to read everything. But it should brighten your day. Just need someone to do the UK version

https://youtu.be/P0y6M-N8wOE

112596 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Schrodinger, 2, #759 of 1147 🔗

I saw that last night and it gave me a good laugh! His videos are really good, so if anyone needs a pick-me-up I recommend them.

112605 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Schrodinger, #760 of 1147 🔗

loved it! thank you!

112587 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 2, #761 of 1147 🔗

Just in case anybody is wondering how our lives have been ruined and how the vast majority of people are following the narrative.

https://youtu.be/k4OTiTL3H_U

Absolutely disgusting.

112617 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to stefarm, #762 of 1147 🔗

I don’t watch any TV channels this reminds why I don’t

112636 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to stefarm, #763 of 1147 🔗

Sick!

112657 ▶▶ mjr, replying to stefarm, #764 of 1147 🔗

and what is sad is that this show wins the best daytime tv programme award every year. which tells you about the audience intelligence level. and why so many people are accepting of this new normal …

112661 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to stefarm, 1, #765 of 1147 🔗

I could only watch 2 seconds of that before I had to switch off in horror.

112732 ▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Mr Dee, #766 of 1147 🔗

Jesus, like a slow moving car crash, I had to watch.

Horror? You shoulda gotten to the point later on where Phillip and Holly hug wearing plastic suits.

F*ck me.

112786 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to HaylingDave, #767 of 1147 🔗

That was just comedy gold. I thought it must be a joke, surely no one is suggesting that people actually do this?

112772 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to stefarm, #768 of 1147 🔗

My wife watches Coronation Street and the 4th Wall is definitely broken. Couples don’t touch which in the story would mean something but it’s not a story plot device – it’s the COVEEEEEEDDDDD!!!!!

112592 Lisa from Toronto, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 10, #769 of 1147 🔗

So this is from our provincial government web site before masks were mandated and they were just recommending their use. This is still on the web site and I did not bold “Face coverings will not protect you from getting COVID-19” — they did! I’m so glad “the science” is settled and we’re forced to wear masks indefinitely.

It is recommended that you use a face covering (non-medical mask such as a cloth mask) to reduce the risk of transmission of COVID-19 when physical distancing and keeping two-metres’ distance from others may be challenging or not possible, such as:

  • public transit
  • smaller grocery stores or pharmacies
  • when you are receiving essential services

Face coverings will not protect you from getting COVID-19 .

They know the masks are useless so they had to come up with a story to justify their mandates and nobody asks the most obvious questions: How does the filtration of the mask only work in one direction? If nobody is protected then how can everyone be protected?

112615 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 6, #770 of 1147 🔗

It’s obvious to those who actually just think it through. It’s just nudge policies. Masks make people feel safe and remind them they are still in the danger zone with the virus.

However, they need to double down to. Keep the nudge effective. So it’ll soon be masks everywhere, all of the time.

What you see on government advice pages shall be rewritten like it never happened.

Sounds like a book I read once.

112626 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #771 of 1147 🔗
112635 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #773 of 1147 🔗

‘Influencing behaviour is central to public policy.’ – says it all really!

112648 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Carrie, 1, #774 of 1147 🔗

Be fair – it has the endorsement of Goebbels.

112673 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to RickH, #775 of 1147 🔗

Our Government and councils been using ti for quite a while now so it’s well embedded in how they do things.

112676 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Carrie, 1, #776 of 1147 🔗

Another way of saying Social Engineering.

112770 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #777 of 1147 🔗

Considering the famous saying: Science progresses one funeral at a time, and you’ll see just how political that mask U-turn is

112931 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #778 of 1147 🔗

But it’s not about protecting yourself, it’s about being able to say you’re doing it for somebody else despite not being able to show your smugness behind one.

112597 Cecil B, 19, #779 of 1147 🔗

It was first suggested that the earth was round in 5000BC. It was largely accepted as fact in 1522.

Sorry to disappoint but the government are likely to keep this covid bollocks going for another 6,521 years and six months

Which ironically enough is the new date when will become eligible to receive our state pensions

112602 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 16, #780 of 1147 🔗

Going green is not great for the economy. Friend sent me this:

The CEO at Euro Exim Bank Ltd. got economists thinking when he said:

“A cyclist is a disaster for a country’s economy. He does not buy a car and does not take a car loan. Does not buy car insurance. Does not buy fuel. Does not send his car for servicing and repairs. Does not use paid parking. Does not become obese.

Yes – and he stays well, damn it!

Healthy people are not needed for an economy. They do not buy drugs. They do not go to hospitals and doctors. They add nothing to a country’s GDP.

On the contrary, every new McDonalds outlet creates at least 30 jobs: 10 cardiologists, 10 dentists, 10 weight-loss experts apart from people working in McDonalds outlets.

Walking is even worse. Those people do not even buy a bicycle.

Wonder if our green advocates have thought of this?

112608 ▶▶ Gerry Mandarin, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #781 of 1147 🔗

It is this banker that conflates flying around like blue ass flies with increasing one’s wealth and happiness. As the old cartoon of a glass case with broom inside. If nothing to do, break glass.

Green lobby are generally ‘heart in the right place, but deluded’ people.

112634 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #782 of 1147 🔗

What? That a banker comes out with drivel?

112650 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #783 of 1147 🔗

A quick search reveals two things. 1. This squib is widely attributed to “Sanjay Thakrar, CEO at Euro Exim Bank”. 2. There is no such person as “Sanjay Thakrar, CEO at Euro Exim Bank”.

112670 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #784 of 1147 🔗

Yep but it’s more got to do with how will the “green economy” work to support all these billions of people if there is no economy for them to work in?

It’s a thought exercise.

112659 ▶▶ A Heretic, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #785 of 1147 🔗

Have you seen how much bikes cost? Plenty of £10k bikes around, and they need servicing too. On top of that most riders also drive so what is this idiot’s point?

112771 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to A Heretic, #786 of 1147 🔗

And the profit on a £10k bike is about £10k. On a £10k car it’s about 10p. This probably makes the car better for the economy: the £10k is getting paid to workers etc not just lining the pockets of a private equity company somewhere.

112811 ▶▶▶▶ ikaraki, replying to guy153, 1, #787 of 1147 🔗

Nope, that is nowhere close the profit. Think £1k or less on a £10k bicycle.

112818 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to ikaraki, #788 of 1147 🔗

Parts are where the money is in bicycles.

112854 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to ikaraki, 1, #789 of 1147 🔗

Unless it’s a Graeme Obree home made bike.

112607 4096, 8, #790 of 1147 🔗

Sweden is pretty much the only sane country in the word. The only country with enough good sense to protect children from the abuse perpetrated in the name of ‘ covid safety’. I wonder what the reaction would be in this country or somewhere else in Europe if we learned of some similar cases and I wouldn’t be surprised if there were quite a few of those.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/02/children-locked-up-by-parents-over-covid-should-not-go-home-rules-swedish-court

112614 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 12, #791 of 1147 🔗

So worldwide Covid accounts for .0001% of deaths.

112623 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Dan Clarke, 12, #792 of 1147 🔗

Sounds like a pandemic to me! Excuse me while I go back under my bed and shield myself.

112669 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 2, #793 of 1147 🔗

Plandemic

112633 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Dan Clarke, 26, #794 of 1147 🔗

And the average age of death from it is higher than my life expectancy so I’m actively trying to infect myself so I can live a few years longer.

112655 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Achilles, 13, #795 of 1147 🔗

Right, that’s it – you’re making a joke of all this. You’re expelled. OUT!

112686 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Achilles, 4, #796 of 1147 🔗

I’m bloody stealing this line! it cracked me up 😂

112693 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to tonyspurs, 2, #797 of 1147 🔗

Cracked me up too! We must be psychopaths…

112694 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Achilles, 1, #798 of 1147 🔗

When you’ve nailed the way to do a ‘come hither Covid’, you should get in touch with futurist Ray Kurzweil, who is aiming for infinite longevity.

Could be a real money spinner!

112644 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 30, #799 of 1147 🔗

Saw a boy of about 6-7 complaining to his mother about having to wear a mask as they went towards and outdoor play park.

The mother told the boy “just because other people arent wearing their masks it doesnt make it safe for you not to.”

Psychiatrists everywhere are dribbling at all the work coming to them in the next 20 years as these kids grow up.

112697 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Ricky R, 14, #800 of 1147 🔗

People seem to have gone back to the dark ages, the virus is some evil beelzebub and facemasks have become magic talismans to ward off the evil ju-ju, people seem to be using facemasks a bit like waving a crucifix at Dracula.

112647 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 5, #801 of 1147 🔗

Just following the science eh? The SCIENCE has been all over the place. Like a Ouija board. Obfuscation Central.

112674 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to richard riewer, 3, #802 of 1147 🔗

We all know scientists are mad, why doesn’t the government?

112668 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #803 of 1147 🔗

33 warning again:

£33 billion hit to the economy according to Bank of England.

33 billion also mentioned in the past month in Indonesia, Hong Kong and Nigeria surprisingly.

112672 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #804 of 1147 🔗

Is it like a code for something when the words 33 are spoken

112688 ▶▶▶ peter, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #805 of 1147 🔗

yes, code for Fake News.

112709 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, #806 of 1147 🔗

400 is another magic number

112714 ▶▶▶ tallandbald, replying to Two-Six, 1, #807 of 1147 🔗

I thought it was 3 🙂

112720 ▶▶ assoc, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #808 of 1147 🔗

£33 billion is peanuts. The final bill will be trillions (thousands of billions)

112812 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to assoc, #809 of 1147 🔗

That it’s peanuts is a clue to the figure. Why put out such a nonsense figure.

My best guess it the freakshow in the film the beautiful mind had an kernel of truth about it.

112767 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Awkward Git, #810 of 1147 🔗

Depressurise the main cargo bay or we’ll be in this loop forever!

112671 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #811 of 1147 🔗

I do not think there is anything more important practically than the health of the children.

Hopefully, the spreading of germs and i ll health due to oxygen restriction brought about by dirty infected face masks , will not make them so unwell that it overwhelms the NHS.

112796 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #812 of 1147 🔗

Yet people strap festering cesspools of pathogens to their faces.

112863 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #813 of 1147 🔗

One of my favourite themes when I post on the Daily Mail. It’s worth going to your favourite comment section and describing in detail how dirty and nasty those things get. Gives people a good counter image to the virtue signalling pose.

112677 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #814 of 1147 🔗

National Socialist Distancing meet Markxism
Latest News From Fascist Melbourne
Melbourne police arrest a pregnant mother for discussing protesting tyranny on Facebook.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swXk11hxB5U

112910 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #815 of 1147 🔗

That’s stressful and could provoke a miscarriage. Inhuman Bastards!

112690 Cheezilla, 1, #816 of 1147 🔗

Watch the “very interesting” one.

https://www.facebook.com/rdwnomr/videos/324221838726141

112691 John P, replying to John P, 12, #817 of 1147 🔗

“I think the western world has been afraid of liberty for some time, lacking any compass with which to navigate it. To a growing number of people, a more parental state is actually
desirable. They don’t want to be free.” Peter Hitchens, 2nd September 2020.

One of the primary characteristics of most modern atheists is their overweening conceit.

That is the hallmark of individuals such as Richard Dawkins. I leafed through his book about God. It was simply a crude exercise in ridicule and disrespect.

Last year I was briefly acquainted with a Russian woman who was still a child when the Soviet Union broke up in 1991. My mother, being a good Roman Catholic (it would be wrong to say “devout” – she’s not pious) when I was a child told me horror stories about how religion was suppressed in the Soviet Union. I asked my Russian friend about this. She responded that religion in the Soviet Union was not oppressed by violence, but by ridicule. Religion was made to be unfashionable. It was for crackpots, eccentrics and old people.

Dawkins must have borrowed directly from the Soviet copybook.

But why was it that the Soviet authorities were so keen to repress organised religion? The answer is very simple and very relevant. Because those who attend church and listen to
church leaders recognise the primacy of the authority of those religious leaders.

Therefore, organised religion represents a direct threat to the authority of the state.

This is why I say that arrogant individuals such as Dawkins have done so much damage. Because people – while no longer attending church and no longer believing in God – remain receptive to authority in a very similar way to how they were receptive to the authority of the Christian church.

But stripped of this allegiance to a relatively benign church they fall much more easily under the influence of the considerably less benign authority of the State.

112701 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to John P, 8, #818 of 1147 🔗

Yes, I completely agree. The state has been overstepping the bounds of its legitimate authority for decades. It has invaded the family and now the church. Sadly the church has allowed this to happen which means we have failed our society who are now suffering the consequences of our neglect.

We need the courage of those early Christians who took on the authority of Rome even though for many it meant death in the arena. What have we to fear in comparison?

112716 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Basileus, 6, #819 of 1147 🔗

Oh f. a duck – What utter nonsense! It’s the the church that has always had a privileged position in the state apparatus!

That’s what needs addressing.

112722 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to RickH, 2, #820 of 1147 🔗

You have a point but the current church which still enjoys that ‘privileged’ position is apostate, having embraced the culture lock stock and barrel. So my point still stands I believe.

112884 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Basileus, #821 of 1147 🔗

My serious point is that the Christian church in Europe (all forms of which are bureaucratic artifacts, and nothing to do with the origins of their putative faiths) is privileged and nor at all oppressed.

The exception I took was about prejudiced remarks about atheists, who are defined only by one general disbelief – not belief.

For myself, I find even atheism too tentative – I subscribe to the more radical view of agnosticism in the true sense : a firm view that any attempt to pretend to ‘know’ is about a child-like inability to live with reality.

In a more practical and original sense, I despair at the immaturity of the UK that lacks a proper National Anthem – substituting instead a dirge to the monarch and the God fairy, and the fact that, for instance, the Remembrance ceremonies always drag in the heavenly good fairies that were disproved by what is being remembered.

112905 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basileus, #822 of 1147 🔗

They might even start canceling Saints.

112754 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to RickH, 3, #823 of 1147 🔗

I think there are situations in which it provides a balance. If Mao tells you to kill your neighbours it might help a bit if you had been taught not to do that in Sunday school (although you probably would have figured this out anyway). I agree that there are plenty of other situations in which religion is part of the problem.

112897 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to guy153, #824 of 1147 🔗

The present leader of the Chinese government is around 50+ years old so he was educated right at the beginning of The Cultural Revolution. Thoroughly brainwashed and lovin’ it.

112896 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basileus, #825 of 1147 🔗

I watched Spiro Skouras last night and he showed a quote from the Pope approving of global vaccines. This Pope is a dope.

112703 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to John P, 2, #826 of 1147 🔗

If one is an atheist then this one life is all they have and when it ends, poof that’s it, nothing more. Logically these people are scared of dying, especially when trusted authorities bang away at them for six months that the air all around us could be filled with deadly droplets of covid. I completely understand why these people obey the state without question.

112729 ▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Eddie, 8, #827 of 1147 🔗

I am an atheist, not at all frightened of dying and by most reckonings not very obedient at all.

112733 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Strange Days, 3, #828 of 1147 🔗

Same here!

112865 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Strange Days, 4, #829 of 1147 🔗

Same! Part of my non-compliance is linked to my atheism. Also not afraid to die. I’m more afraid of living like this the rest of my life.

112731 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Eddie, 11, #830 of 1147 🔗

Erm: I’m an atheist, a sceptic and I have a Living Will and a DNR card.

The friends who are the most avid lockdown adherents are Christians.

Best not to generalise.

This is beyond religious belief or lack of.

112738 ▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to wendyk, 5, #831 of 1147 🔗

Yes!

112859 ▶▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to wendyk, 1, #832 of 1147 🔗

Not all Christians are lockdown adherents but I admit the church has, by and large, rolled over.

112755 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Eddie, 3, #833 of 1147 🔗

Theism and life after death are completely orthogonal and you can easily have either without the other.

112783 ▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to guy153, 3, #834 of 1147 🔗

Mitochondrial DNA is almost immortal, my mother grandmother, great grandmother and all the generations of women before me are still here within every cell of my body.

112801 ▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Strange Days, 1, #835 of 1147 🔗

What a very moving idea. It’s true and it never occurred to me before. Thank you.

112908 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Eddie, #836 of 1147 🔗

I don’t

112708 ▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 4, #837 of 1147 🔗

One of the primary characteristics of most modern atheists is their overweening conceit.”

God-botherering whining in delusional self-justifying plainchant.

… like every other interest group that adopts selective history to obfuscate their essential blinkered self-interest. Interesting that those who whine loudest are usually doing so in defense of their own totalitarian beliefs, responsible for extensive public repression, torture and harm.

112725 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to RickH, 2, #838 of 1147 🔗

Some assert that the atheist dogma consists of two statements:

  1. There is no God.
  2. I hate Him.
112734 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Basileus, 4, #839 of 1147 🔗

Nonsense

112757 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to wendyk, 2, #840 of 1147 🔗

It’s a fair description of god-botherer botherers like Dawkins.

112810 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to guy153, 1, #841 of 1147 🔗

True. I’m what you might call a quiet, low key atheist.

112857 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Basileus, 1, #842 of 1147 🔗

Utter shite. I don’t feel angry at God, but I’m annoyed as all get out with the people who hide behind his name.

112761 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to John P, 3, #843 of 1147 🔗

Thomas Payne covered organised religion in the Age of Reason. And that was over 2 centuries ago.

I can see what point you are trying to make though. Many who are atheist are really just “ists” looking for a system of belief. So they replace God with a god of some other sort. South Park covered this in a great double episode where Cartman wakes up in the 25th Century (a la Buck Rogers) and there are factions of Atheists fighting each other because their brand of atheism is right. Dawkins was the source and appears in the episodes.

There are then a smaller subset of people who follow a spiritual path, either engaging in rituals and prayer, or by simply being present and philosophical. They don’t really care if a God exists or not, it’s splitting hairs in the end. There are things that we just don’t know.

Those of us like this tend to be more individualist and hence they are a threat to the state too.

I don’t really know if God exists, and personally do not care. But that doesn’t mean I’m going to ignore a lot of common sense that runs through many Holy Books. There are traits common to the human experience that thread through Time.

So give to Caesar what’s Caesars, and give to your god what’s your god

112794 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John P, #844 of 1147 🔗

Jordon Peterson’s series of biblical lectures is a good one to mention on that point. It shows how archetypes permeate myth and legend, these feed our view on society and ourselves, normally without knowing it.

Disney movies rely on traditional archetypes in a quite explicit way to elicit an emotional connection from its audiences. Especially the classics, Snow White, Dumbo, Bambi etc. Childhood trauma and the emergence of heroic power from it.

Many of the mystical fraternities and groups such as the Freemason are very much aware of these facets of the human condition too. They incorporate it into much of their rituals

112847 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #845 of 1147 🔗

The Hero With a Thousand Faces

112856 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to John P, 2, #846 of 1147 🔗

One of the primary characteristics of most modern atheists is their overweening conceit.” Well, speaking as an atheist, that’s an interesting overgeneralisation.

112862 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #847 of 1147 🔗

Agreed. I’m an atheist as well and I attribute my critical thinking ability and general reluctance to comply to dogma as part of that. However, I don’t disparage people who are religious or assume they are not critical thinkers. I’m a live and let live type of person.

112892 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to John P, #848 of 1147 🔗

The Catholic Church used to run the Province of Quebec. It has been replaced by The State. Same level of oppression.

112903 ▶▶ Bella, replying to John P, 1, #849 of 1147 🔗

I am not receptive to authority – in fact a rebellious pain in the arse – and I have no truck with organised religion either

112979 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to John P, #850 of 1147 🔗

Your Russian friend was still a child when the Soviet Union fell. She is in error regarding its treatment of Christians and its methods of repression. Your mother, by contrast, was right.

The Bolsheviks killed Christians in vast numbers for their faith. They confiscated and destroyed churches and religious objects. Later, more subtle methods included ensuring that nobody known to be a Christian would be allowed career progression. Yes, ridicule was undoubtedly present, but I would remind you of an ancient though now unfashionable truth: sticks and stones…

112981 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Ovis, 1, #851 of 1147 🔗

Correct. Read the Gulag Archipelago. Christians were not simply “ridiculed.” That may have happened, later.

113078 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to John P, #852 of 1147 🔗

Also believing in God means you believe there is a higher power than the state and you might disobey a state edict which contradicted a religious rule. For example, you’d ignore lockdown rules to visit a sick or dying parent as the Bible says “Honour your father and your mother.”

112695 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 20, #853 of 1147 🔗

Unfortunately I’m on a downer today and let my mind wander more about Christmas. I assume no carol singing, no Christmas concerts, no ice rinks, no Christmas fairs. I thought maybe no Santas Grotto but now I have a vision of a line of kids 2 metres apart:- Child shuffles forward (masked). Parent gives track & trace details. They sanitise hands and go in. Santa, wearing gloves, mask and a visor, places present on floor between him and child, then steps backwards. Child steps forwards and picks up present from floor. They leave (sanitising hands on way out).

I suppose I can at least look forward to having a meal and seeing my family, assuming I’m not in a lockdown area of course…

112698 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Achilles, 6, #854 of 1147 🔗

Children will be told – Santa can’t come he might spread Covid

112699 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 9, #855 of 1147 🔗

I’m more worried about him he definitely looks like he’s in the “vulnerable” category!

112717 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Achilles, 9, #856 of 1147 🔗

Reindeer are Covid vectors also. Rudolph has a red nose which is clearly a symptom.

112889 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sarigan, #857 of 1147 🔗

It also glows.

112707 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Achilles, 7, #858 of 1147 🔗

Just imagine the sheer glee on Poppycock’s face if he gets to cancel Christmas.

112888 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to DRW, 1, #859 of 1147 🔗

Cancel Poppycock on New Year’s Eve.

112721 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Achilles, 7, #860 of 1147 🔗

The Christmas Tree from Norway in Trafalgar Square will be banned. It’s far too close to Sweden.

112727 ▶▶ Lydia, replying to Achilles, 2, #861 of 1147 🔗

I’ve not thought that far yet but I suppose you’re right that these Christmas activities will be stopped. No Christmas plays at schools, pantos. Even if they are open some people will be afraid to go and not wanting to mix with people. What a depressing thought.

112742 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Lydia, 2, #862 of 1147 🔗

On the bright side Strictly will have it’s first same sex couple!……you’re still thinking about the Christmas thing aren’t you.

112728 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Achilles, 3, #863 of 1147 🔗

Merry Covidmas everyone!

112773 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Achilles, 1, #864 of 1147 🔗

No Hogmanay celebrations north of the border either.

112817 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Achilles, 5, #865 of 1147 🔗

At last . a positive out of covid.. I hate christmas . bah humbug

112855 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to mjr, 1, #866 of 1147 🔗

I hate Christmas too, but riots may make it more appealing

112842 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Achilles, 4, #867 of 1147 🔗

Remember what happened the last time Christmas was banned:

https://www.idler.co.uk/article/the-christmas-riots/

History has a habit of repeating itself…

112700 Sir Patrick Vaccine, #868 of 1147 🔗

Where are Batman and Kurt Cobain when you need them?
There’s definitely something in the way of our freedom
NIRVANA: Something In The Way (Piano Cover)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kAghaewp6g

112702 RickH, replying to RickH, #869 of 1147 🔗

I noted this today in the “Round-Up’

BBC’s new boss threatens to axe Left-wing comedy shows

So the Tories are explicitly pursuing their own wokeness via a placeman marketing exec.

Interesting

112758 ▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 4, #870 of 1147 🔗

I loathe the BBC now and think they are left wing (I know you don’t – let’s agree to differ) and in other times the Govt reining them in a bit may meet with my approval but right now it looks to me like an attempt to play to their base and shore up support, and it’s not working with me. It’s the same with immigration and Brexit and all the other hot-button issues. All Tory voters who believe in freedom should give the government no credit for anything they do, it’s all a distraction.

112890 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, #871 of 1147 🔗

I would only say to you, Julian, that the perception that the BBC is generally ‘left wing’ defies all structured analysis. After years of right-wing control it is a very unlikely hypothesis at the most basic level, and I could refute your argument quite quickly in terms of the BBC biases over the last year alone.

I think you may need to examine your notions of the wider political spectrum, and the place of your beliefs within it.

112937 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, #872 of 1147 🔗

I have always considered myself a moderate. The BBC seems way out there, to me.

They are certainly not on the side of truth or rationality at present.

112715 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 3, #873 of 1147 🔗

It was mentioned several months ago but the economic armageddon could be avoided:

https://www.newchartistmovement.org.uk/articles/the-bradbury-to-the-rescue-by-justin-walker

112745 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Sarigan, 1, #874 of 1147 🔗

I read about this several years ago, I think it was on the UKColumn. I don’t have much of a head for understanding finances at this level, but it seems like a plan. Which is why our Treasury probably won’t have anything to do with it.

112763 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to thedarkhorse, 2, #875 of 1147 🔗

They have a position to specifically ensure it never happens:

But getting back to our servants in Parliament, we have many examples of complicit MPs refusing point-blank to engage with us about the restoration of the 1914 Bradbury Pound and this simple fiscal arrangement of Sovereign National Credit. We’ve been totally ignored by the Treasury Select Committee as well as two Prime-Ministers and two Chancellors of the Exchequer. But this is hardly surprising when you know that the City of London has ‘their man’ sitting physically in the House of Commons. Called the City Remembrancer, the present holder of this post (which goes back to 1571) is a gentleman by the name of Mr Paul Double and one of his primary tasks is to make sure that MPs never discuss what happened in 1914 to immediately save the City of London and the nation from complete financial collapse.

However, as public servants, our MPs do not have a choice in this matter… unless they want to experience a prison cell! If they still refuse to go public now on how our country’s credit could be immediately mobilised by HM Treasury to stop tens of thousands of sound businesses from going under (whilst at the same time not adding to the National Debt by borrowing fresh air ‘money’ from the banksters), they are leaving themselves wide open to the Common-Law offence of Malfeasance in Public Office.

More here:

https://www.newchartistmovement.org.uk/articles/bankers-bradburys-carnage-and-slaughter-on-the-western-front-by-justin-walker

112828 ▶▶▶ assoc, replying to thedarkhorse, 3, #876 of 1147 🔗

I have a degree in economics and have to say that I regard the article as being gobbledygook – there is no painless pay of printing paper money. The con, and it was a con, of replacing gold with paper in circulating money could only be done once, and it was.
A 100-year old Bradbury pound note is today worth £1 (rather more to a collector if in very good condition. A gold sovereign is worth about £380.

112843 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan, 1, #877 of 1147 🔗

This was touted in the states during the sub prime meltdown by libertarian thinkers.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1954955/

That documentary is excellent to show you just how political our money systems are. I met Bill Still when he went on a UK speaking tour. Such a smart man.

112724 Fed up, replying to Fed up, 6, #878 of 1147 🔗

Latest bit of research- people who refuse to wear masks are sociopaths. Today has just turned darker.

112741 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Fed up, 8, #879 of 1147 🔗

This has been popping up in various places recently. The latest move in the psychological warfare operation, and very dark as you say. Google definition says:

a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behaviour

From the viewpoint of the new normal we tick all the boxes. We are indeed sociopaths.

112753 ▶▶▶ Fed up, replying to Richard O, 23, #880 of 1147 🔗

I think that most people are here and refusing the muzzle because they care deeply about society and how these rules are ruining lives. I’d say that was the very reverse of a sociopath.

112764 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Fed up, 11, #881 of 1147 🔗

Totally, which is what makes this latest accusation all the more painful.

Sadly it does not change the fact that we are dangerous to the inverted world of the Covid cult, so must be labelled and stigmatised accordingly. Personally I consider it a badge of honour to be shunned and excommunicated by a society that has gone insane.

112878 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Richard O, #882 of 1147 🔗

Another instance of The pot calling the kettle black.

112765 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Fed up, 5, #883 of 1147 🔗

Vernon Coleman touched on this with anger. Only confirming the findings of the report 🙂

112777 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Fed up, 6, #884 of 1147 🔗

OK I’m a sociopath.

When can I turn violent and be really anti-social?

112800 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Fed up, 10, #885 of 1147 🔗

It’s funny because throughout all this I’ve seen people calling for Covidiots to be shot, jailed or refused medical treatment and many other things just for not following the rules to the letter.

In the twisted world we now live in these people must be saints.

112813 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nobody2020, 10, #886 of 1147 🔗

Shot – an increasingly attractive option and very quick
Jailed – we already are
Refused medical treatment – now standard NHS procedure

112954 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Nobody2020, #887 of 1147 🔗

That is why anyone here who posts about wanting a skilled sniper to shoot someone else between the eyes , hanging, garotting, stabbing a politician or anyone else, gets an automatic down vote from me. I don’t care if the rest of what you say makes perfect sense and I agree with it, it’s still an absolutely iron rule. Automatic down tick.

112877 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Fed up, #888 of 1147 🔗

Who did the research?

112887 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to richard riewer, #889 of 1147 🔗

Sociopaths, projecting.

112730 Sarigan, 10, #890 of 1147 🔗

Heartbreaking discussion with a client today desperately trying to get to Australia to see her dying father. Trying to claim quarantine exemption with Oz gov but being denied as no flights currently available and they will not even consider it without confirmed itinerary and say even then, very unlikely. More or less resigned herself to saying goodbye on Zoom.

112735 Sarigan, 3, #891 of 1147 🔗
112736 Cheezilla, #892 of 1147 🔗
112740 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #893 of 1147 🔗

GoFundme have blocked their site being used to raise funds for Mr. P. Corbyn’s legal defence if this webpage be correct:-

https://reclaimthenet.org/gofundme-piers-corbyn/

If it be correct how does one impart to GoFundme that no matter how good the cause might be one won’t be subscribing to it through them.

(Well, I suppose they’ve taken that in to account. If they allowed it they’d get others saying the same thing because they allowed it. After all it is just a business.)

112750 ▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #894 of 1147 🔗
112778 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Kath Andrews, #895 of 1147 🔗

Thankyou for that

112748 Will, 7, #896 of 1147 🔗

Pleased to see the Greeks are deploying plenty of smoke and mirrors to cover up their (inevitable) incidence of the cough. I must confessed that I was worried for Greece that this would set them back again so soon after the Germans ruined them to protect their banks/ pensions, but it looks like the Greeks aren’t willing to roll over and have their tummy tickled this time!!!

112751 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 9, #897 of 1147 🔗

Anyone else noticed this:

Downing Street is planning new digital ID cards for British citizens as Dominic Cummings bids to transform the Government’s use of data despite privacy fears.

[Tony Blair] said only if people can easily show whether they are clear of coronavirus will industries such as international travel be able to restart.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8687663/Downing-Street-plans-new-digital-ID-cards-British-citizens.html

112759 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to zacaway, 18, #898 of 1147 🔗

Although I’m inclined to be suspicious of ‘new world order’ theories, this is scary stuff. It’ll be even worse if they manage to abolish cash. Then they’ll have complete control.

112766 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to DJ Dod, 12, #899 of 1147 🔗

That’s exactly what ‘they’ are planning.

112762 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to zacaway, 10, #900 of 1147 🔗

Yes, only just read it – and the comments underneath the article. All the popular comments are reassuringly negative. I have only two words for the idea – Foreign Office!

112769 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to zacaway, 3, #901 of 1147 🔗

These scum will just never give up! You might know Blair would be there pushing the idea. Standby for Blunkett and (Charles) Clarke to be next out of the traps.

112775 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to zacaway, 6, #902 of 1147 🔗

Blanket tried it, May tried it and now the Cummings/Johnson Tweedledum and Tweedledumber.

Part of the plan all along.

just like the opt-out organ donor change, try it, get uproar, drop ti for a while, try again hoping the plebs have forgotten and are watching the new Hollyoaks or whatever passes for brain food nowadays.

112876 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #903 of 1147 🔗

Just more waste of taxpayers money. more bureaucratic redtape and more civil servants. More power to the State. Just say no. Every time you say yes they take another bite out of your individual rights.

112940 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #904 of 1147 🔗

Doesn’t seem to matter who is in power – they all seem to want the same thing.

Home Office seems to have wet dreams about this kind of tracking and just keeps on pushing it.

113039 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to zacaway, #905 of 1147 🔗

The Parties are indistinguishable.I D cards are an idea that have been floating around the civil service for years and they have seen an opportunity.Covid has become a cover for so much else.It is no wonder that they dont want to let it go.

112788 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to zacaway, 8, #906 of 1147 🔗

Looks like The Daily Mail has picked up this load of consultant-speak bollocks from the government website:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/next-steps-outlined-for-uks-use-of-digital-identity

Some choice terms found here:

money laundering and terrorism – there’s always a need to mention these two, to get the sheeple onside.

robust digital identity system in the UK – “robust”, LOL

“The CBI supports the government’s ambitions to create a digital ID framework that can help protect consumers and unlock economic growth” Absolute first class bollocks. “Protect” consumers? I think not! Control them, more like.

Proportionality – User needs and other considerations such as privacy and security will be balanced so digital identity can be used with confidence across the economy. Ah! User needs will be “balanced” will they? For “balanced”, read “ignored”.

112816 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Tenchy, 10, #907 of 1147 🔗

What a surprise. Some very evil people must have rubbing their hands with glee imagining all the anti libertarian bollocks they could get away with under the cover of Covid:

Tracking – tick
Only card (and so traceable), payments – tick
Travel restrictions – tick
Control of health services – tick
Visible signs of compliance or dissenters (masks) – tick
No, or limited gatherings – tick
Control of media – tick

But, it’s all for your own good you know.

112948 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Tenchy, 1, #908 of 1147 🔗

Obviously the CBI is in favour of it – another massive gravy train / jobs for the big boys.

But that does give some hope they will balls it up like all the other Crapita type IT projects, then mothball it when the money or political capital runs out.

112790 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to zacaway, 2, #909 of 1147 🔗

Now we see why DC put out that job advert for geeks and techies…

112793 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to zacaway, 4, #910 of 1147 🔗

The worrying thing is that this could slip through on the back of the Covid hoo-haa without the normal checks, challenges and reviews.
Currently 76% of the UK population have a UK passport and 7.4% have a foreign passport (includes Irish passports) that leaves just 17% with no passport, one has to ask what will this ID card do that your passport cannot do? and would it not be simpler to just issue the 17% with a passport, possibly a ID only ,no travel passport?

112799 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #911 of 1147 🔗

I guess the main point about passports that the control freaks don’t like is that they are low tech. Also, they don’t register your address and can’t easily be used to monitor, log and track you. A so-called ‘digital ID card’ and the associated database could, in principle, allow the state to impose total surveillance on the entire population. This is what Blunkett and the others were after back in 2009.

112803 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to zacaway, 4, #912 of 1147 🔗

Yes, that was a Blair comment some weeks ago. He and his globalist mates are evil. Its a surprise they cant be stopped.

112815 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to zacaway, 5, #913 of 1147 🔗

What are we worrying about? It won’t work.

112838 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to bluemoon, 6, #914 of 1147 🔗

Good point. It’s a government IT initiative, so by definition it will be a massively expensive failure.

112872 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tenchy, 2, #915 of 1147 🔗

Another expensive failure like the tract and trace app.

112841 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to zacaway, #916 of 1147 🔗

If you have a strong stomach, you can check out what this Irish company is doing:

https://youtu.be/U88ZKJhztiM – Health Passport Ireland
Watching it made me feel sick.

112917 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to ConstantBees, #917 of 1147 🔗

One of their trialist firms, Keady Farms, pulled out today due to public pressure. A good sign.

An entrepid investigative jounalist/blogger should do a background piece on that company developing that shit.

112965 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #918 of 1147 🔗

https://mobile.twitter.com/eileeniorio/status/1299514753291878401
Forgive me for pouring scorn last night on this opportunist Quirke and his newly registered company, ROQU Group, whose main achievement previously seems to have been organising a rock festival in Jeddah. This potentially more lucrative ‘passport’ side hustle appears to have been surpassed by his €14M PPE deal , according to a lady on Twitter who seems to have got his measure.

112951 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #919 of 1147 🔗

Ugh, not surprised about that Health Passport Ireland. However I did notice 65 upvotes vs 6100 downvotes on that video, so at least there’s some encouraging signs of tentative resistance.

112867 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to zacaway, 1, #920 of 1147 🔗

Screw you Tony. Go away. Go move next door to the Gates.

112963 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to zacaway, 3, #921 of 1147 🔗

And don’t you just know – it won’t be used to trace and remove illegal immigrants or apprehend terrorists and criminals. No – that would be too difficult. It will be used to control and subjugate the generally law abiding citizens. The easy targets, as always.

112756 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 15, #922 of 1147 🔗

BBC R4 10pm news had a report of schools starting in Russia. The reporters shock and horror that most parents and even the teachers were not bothered by the “threat” of C, was obvious.
Wake up!

112866 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Silke David, #923 of 1147 🔗

A Russian Covidiot.

112760 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #924 of 1147 🔗

Binty Krankie has reverse ferreted away from Covid Zero, away from the Devi and into line with Boris. Interesting and news worthy.

Here’s the april Framework for decision making – the tangle of word soups and salad that gave decision makers and fans a warm feeling as they country was locked down literally killing people. https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-framework-decision-making/

Now Krankie the Most Foul has flipped out of that prescription into a new pond of scum. The new Programme for Government sets out Scottish Government policiy for tge next 12 months. Here it is:
https://www.gov.scot/programme-for-government/

Quoting from that PFG: ” To continue to surpress – ideally eliminate – Covid19. We will also continue to provide support for those who have the virus…. blah de blah”.

Scot Natz are suggesting this is a delay to ridding Covid19 from the Scottish landscape, because dear leader has previously declared… no sleep til Brooklyn, oh sorry, … No independence referendum until Covid has gone!

https://wingsoverscotland.com/expressing-a-preference/#more-118116
Gives the Scottish national fractured group 1 view on it all. They have noticed how this huge shift in KrankieThink has slipped through without a question asked/allowed.

It’s a lovely moment from one perspective because it reals how the masked majority have to wrestle with covid politics to make it fit their preceptions. Sadly the narritive is a lie and so fitting it into wider politics is clumsy.

From another perspective the evil lockdown achieved nothing and killed many – the quietly alter away from the course favoured by globalist Devi. Without a mention. As sleekit as you please. Trust you Sturgeon? No. I believe you need a trial.

112986 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Basics, 2, #925 of 1147 🔗

‘Q857 Dawn Butler: But Sweden has the highest death rate per million people.

Professor Giesecke: We are up there with the UK; we are not that different from the UK.

Professor Woolhouse: The epidemic curve for Sweden overlaid on that for Scotland is indistinguishable.

Q858 Chair: That is very interesting. We might come back to that point.
Professor Woolhouse, on the comment you made about the R number, as a member of SPI-M concerned with modelling, has the R number been the key focal point in those discussions and the advice you have sent up
to SAGE, or has it taken on a prominence either in SAGE or when received by the Government? How has it acquired this prominence in SAGE?

Professor Woolhouse: I am sure my colleagues in the next session will also have a lot to say about that. I think the general feeling in SPI-M is that perhaps we have created a monster. We have got attention on R, which was the right thing to do because it is an extremely important epidemic parameter, but now very close attention is paid to it and less attention is paid to the other measures I referred to in my answer to
Dawn Butler that I think are more important, certainly for the general public, in understanding what is going on.

Q859 Chair: Risk being one.

Professor Woolhouse: Risk being at the forefront of that.’

Evidence to the Commons Science andTechnology Committee, 10 June .

(there’s a separate House of Lords S&TC, don’t ask me what they’re doing, there’s only so much time in the day.)

I haven’t yet read enough to know whether they did ‘get back to that point’. And of course Sturgeon and Johnson have their hands firmly pressed over their ears, Johnson because the Chair is a Remainer, of sorts. Who seems to be enjoying himself.

112768 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 19, #926 of 1147 🔗

Hope for us!

Mr Spahn, Health Minister in Germany, today in the Bild newspaper:
There was no need to close shops, hairdressers and sth else.
Lockdown measures were too tough.
The situation now not as bad as we say.

Prof Drosten, who is hardly in the media anymore, now says people with a positive PCR test need to quarantine for 5 days only instead 14 days.

If Germany has a u-turn, than other countries will follow.

112774 ▶▶ Will, replying to Silke David, 13, #927 of 1147 🔗

Germany has been my hope since this insanity started. In truth they and the Danes have been quietly following Swedish common sense for a while now.

112853 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Will, 2, #928 of 1147 🔗

German politicians, especially on the Laender level are still in dystopia. Just read today that Niedersachsen was supposed to ease some restrictions end of September and are now not.
In Schleswig Holstein some parents launched a judical challenge re mask wearing in primary schools (outside of lessons) on health ground (physical & mental), the court decided it is legal and the decision cannot to be challenged in a higher court.

112781 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Silke David, 18, #929 of 1147 🔗

The Governor of Florida has also publicly admitted that the lockdown was a big mistake and will never happen again (the link to the announcement was posted in a comment here earlier today).

Trouble is, no one is listening apart from those who already know this.

112849 ▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Richard O, 2, #930 of 1147 🔗

Yes but masks yet again -give me strength “ In Miami-Dade County, restaurants were allowed to welcome back diners to indoor seating for the first time in almost two months, provided masks were worn and the establishments operated at 50% capacity.”

112848 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Silke David, 4, #931 of 1147 🔗

Yes but he says “ He said Germany could avoid a second lockdown because people had “learned in the last months how to protect ourselves”, using masks instead of closing shops and services.”

112973 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to arfurmo, 1, #932 of 1147 🔗

Masks have become a sort of panacea that gives everyone the excuse to open up.

My hope – and it is, I think, a realistic hope – is that after a few months, the mandates are lifted, and the masks will disappear. Numbers will not rise, and we’ll pretend like the whole thing never happened. So, they are a panacea right now, but as soon as we are permitted to experiment with their removal, the dominoes will fall… kind of like taking off the tin foil hat. “oh, shit, I’m ok?”

112971 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Silke David, 1, #933 of 1147 🔗

Hey! The world looks to Germany to lead the rest of us all back to relative democracy and freedom.

That’s a headline that would have amused my grandfather (he was stationed in Germany in WWII).

112784 justinErtia, replying to justinErtia, 4, #934 of 1147 🔗

Well, a bit OT, but just saw this disturbing clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swXk11hxB5U

Sorry if someone else has already linked or posted.

112820 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to justinErtia, 3, #935 of 1147 🔗

First time I’ve seen it. Very disturbing indeed. It appears they have full-on totalitarian rule in Australia – arresting a pregnant woman for making a post on Facebook.

112821 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to justinErtia, 2, #936 of 1147 🔗

Extremely disturbing…

112869 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to justinErtia, #937 of 1147 🔗

I don’t want to watch

112789 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 38, #938 of 1147 🔗

My mates child started secondary school today. No stupid rules in place whatsoever. He absolutely loved it and can’t wait to go back tomorrow. Made 2 new friends.

112792 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Hubes, 11, #939 of 1147 🔗

That’s good news

112802 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Hubes, 23, #940 of 1147 🔗

I suspect that schools returning to normal (ish) will move things forward for the whole economy. Unless schools are forced to shutdown, the COVID rules will be diluted (in schools) over the next few weeks. Teachers get sick of trying to uphold pointless rules that students ignore, especially given the process for recording consistent offenders. Large numbers of students pushing the envelope will demonstrate that this virus has had its day.

112814 ▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to Ozzie, 10, #941 of 1147 🔗

I agree. I was saying the same to somebody early that if schools go back smoothly then that is a big step to getting this nonsense over with. The next big step is getting crowds back at events.

112851 ▶▶ Fiat, replying to Hubes, 1, #942 of 1147 🔗

Encouraging. Mine goes back tomorrow…..

112860 ▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to Fiat, 3, #943 of 1147 🔗

Yeah it’s good. Another one of my friends kids goes back to primary school tomorrow. She said to me “if there are any stupid measures in place then I’m going straight in to complain”

112960 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Hubes, 3, #944 of 1147 🔗

Hopefully there are enough schools *not* implementing masks and stupid rules so that complaints flood into the ones that are, and they are then forced to see sense and relax their rules..

112969 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Hubes, 1, #945 of 1147 🔗

Jealous. Schools in the US – even private schools are not allwed to make their own decisions – are showing no signs of returning to normalcy anytime soon.

113249 ▶▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to RyanM, #946 of 1147 🔗

Same! I just got back a few weeks ago from rescuing my youngest from a nightmare hybrid situation in New York (to get the US high school experience, he was with his father, who has no right to work on my PhD visa in Ireland). School every other day, all day masked, temperature queues, perspex carrels, strict social distancing, no activities. We are homeschooling because school places are very limitied in Ireland, and masks are mandated for secondary now here, as well.

112795 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 16, #947 of 1147 🔗

Just spotted this comment below an article in The Spectator (by someone called “Clearthinker’:

It’s all very well speaking out against the madness here but it will not change anything. Write to your MP demanding that the Government publish a set of criteria which when met will trigger the lifting of all restrictions. How about (7 day average) fewer that 1000 positive tests per day, fewer than 50 hospital admissions per day, fewer that 5 deaths per day. And you know what – I have just checked the Govt Covid dashboard and we are almost there!”

We need to be told the criteria for this madness to be over.

112805 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Ozzie, 17, #948 of 1147 🔗

This is something I’ve been wondering about for a while. What is the objective of the government? Under what conditions will antisocial distancing and face nappies no longer be required? There’s no chance we’ll get an answer from Wankock and the rest. All we’ll get is a load of drivel about the need to ensure the NHS aren’t overwhelmed in a second wave. Bloody bullshitters!

112819 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Tenchy, 7, #949 of 1147 🔗

My MP said why was I worried about something temporary like masks but wouldnt say how temporary

112845 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #950 of 1147 🔗

They never can

112829 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tenchy, 7, #951 of 1147 🔗

The objective is to hold on to power, for as long as possible, ideally power without attached scrutiny.

As long as there is an “emergency”, they have it.

So they will never declare it over, voluntarily.

112833 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tenchy, 16, #952 of 1147 🔗

Boris and Co are following orders – they have signed us (the UK population) up to a giant Phase III vaccine trial as a real-time experiment. Problem is, the chosen vaccine programme is running a bit late, and the death numbers have fallen to miniscule levels, thanks partly to Carl Heneghan uncovering the dodgy stats in such a public and embarrassing way. Coming rapidly into the picture is the economic armageddon. External events will dictate, including the increasing likelihood of a Trump win (he doesn’t believe in this bullshit). Boris, Hancock and Williamson are on borrowed time, in my view.

112934 ▶▶▶▶ AllieT, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #953 of 1147 🔗

Good post TT 😊

112939 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #954 of 1147 🔗

And hopefully on little time.

113076 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #955 of 1147 🔗

Good post. Agree. That said, there’s a reason the Democrats are running Biden… it’s not because he’s an aggressive campaigner who can unite the young playing the Sax on TV, a la Clinton. It’s not because he can look the part & give big speeches, a la Obama.. By the look of it, he probably thinks a Mexican border is a guy who pays the rent.. reason they’re running him is because to the Democrats – the candidate is not the main factor here, to them, the means justify the end; they said plain as day exactly what they will do: force Biden to keep it in play, and not concede, until they can get their hands on as many mail in votes as they need, and pull a Lyndon Johnson (for anyone who doesn’t know: Precinct 13 in a Texas Senate race)

A Dem. operative revealed exactly how it could – and certainly has – gone down before:
https://nypost.com/2020/08/29/political-insider-explains-voter-fraud-with-mail-in-ballots/

112825 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Ozzie, 11, #956 of 1147 🔗

Indeed I have queried this where I could but nobody listens! in management terms, what are the aims and objectives? what is the end game? what does success look like?
Originally we had; flatten the curve, protect the NHS and save lives, well those were all achieved weeks ago, but we just carried on, to what purpose?
It is a bit like if after the 2nd World War was over, Churchill had continued with blackouts and anti aircraft measures in case some hidden branch of the Luftwaffe mysteriously appeared out of some hidden bunker and attacked the country!
Apologies, politically incorrect but……….. Boris Johnson………. Big Girls Blouse

112835 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #957 of 1147 🔗

A good analogy.

112852 ▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #958 of 1147 🔗

Like I posted yesterday about WW2 gas masks, which quickly became second handbags, goalposts and objects of derision by young men.

112932 ▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Ozzie, 3, #959 of 1147 🔗

Good luck with that. I wrote to my MP suggesting that it was time to get back to normal.

This is what his assistant conveyed to me:

Daily infection figures show that the pandemic is far from over and infection rates are creeping back up. We have to be very careful indeed not to allow a second wave as we go into the winter months. I’m aware that this is not the response you would have hoped for but the evidence simply does not point to the pandemic being over and the risk of another lockdown if we fail to control it is high.’

You won’t be surprised to hear that my MP is a member of the SNP.

You may be surprised to hear that he was elected despite forgetting which constituency he was in when appearing at a pre-election hustings. It used to be the case that a donkey with a red rosette could be elected in Scotland, now it’s a black and yellow rosette…

113016 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Ozzie, 1, #960 of 1147 🔗

But we have less than zero interest in how many +ve deaths there are a day, unless the person has symptoms. Except possibly to congratulate them on either being, or about to become, immune. Without costing the state any effort.

113248 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Bruno, #961 of 1147 🔗

+ve Tests, not deaths!

112798 Richard Pinch, 4, #962 of 1147 🔗

The man behind Lockdown Truth , a companion website, is starting something called the COVID-19 Assembly.

Are we allowed to know who this man is? Neither of the websites promoted have any indication of who leads or funds these organisations. Surely that is information people might want before giving them time, money or support?

112808 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #963 of 1147 🔗

This is an article about C-19 serology in blood donors in Pakistan
https://www.trasci.com/article/S1473-0502(20)30237-8/fulltext “Ten pre-pandemic samples did not show COVID-19 antibodies, whereas out of 70 samples in the 3rd week of June, only 15 (21.4 %) were positive. However, in July out of the 300 blood donors, 113 (37.7 %) were found to be reactive.”
“Almost 40 % of blood donors are now seroconverted for COVID-19. This is a reflection of widespread seroprevalence in the adult male population Almost 40 % of blood donors are now seroconverted for COVID-19. This is a reflection of widespread seroprevalence in the adult male population”

This is interesting as in the middle of June was the top of the pandemic in Pakistan.See below
https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1300908535388270597/photo/1

Then in July a dramatic decrease of cases. Pakistan ended the lockdown measures well before the top of curve and already in early June no lockdown and not much SD. Pakistan is a showpiece of letting the pandemic rip through unmitigated. CFR 2.1% IFR must be much lower.Interestingly,the 40 % level is also a suggested herd immunity level in this Science article

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/369/6505/846
A mathematical model reveals the influence of population heterogeneity on herd immunity to SARS-CoV-2

112824 ▶▶ Will, replying to swedenborg, 4, #964 of 1147 🔗

Imran Khan was a brave cricketer, he is proving to be a brave politician/ leader.

112834 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Will, 4, #965 of 1147 🔗

Politically may have been harder to go full lockdown in such countries. But still, anyone who hasn’t taken the medicine gets a clap as they have provided vital controls to demonstrate the fallacy of locking down saving lives.

112935 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Will, 1, #966 of 1147 🔗

Agreed, Armenia is a similar story.

112826 wendy, replying to wendy, 20, #967 of 1147 🔗

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/is-scotland-overcounting-the-number-of-patients-in-hospital-beds/

Carl Heneghan and team are looking at the proportionally high reported people in Scottish hospitals compared to England. Gosh if only Carl could be in charge of this whole affair we might get somewhere

112836 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to wendy, 9, #968 of 1147 🔗

Great to see these guys chipping away at the lunacy bit by bit. Very clearly articulated so that even our ‘leaders’ could understand despite not being able to count beyond their fingers and toes.

112977 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #969 of 1147 🔗

It is not lunacy. They are seeing just what they can getaway with.

112864 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to smileymiley, 1, #971 of 1147 🔗

I just read the article, shame they are still claiming a blanket IFR of 1% with no mention of age or comorbidities.

112875 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to smileymiley, 1, #972 of 1147 🔗

NOBODY KNOWS THIS!

112837 Basics, replying to Basics, 9, #973 of 1147 🔗

Today’s UK Column was a good edition. Excellent comment about many aspects of Sars CoV 2 exonomy killing response. I particularly appreciated them pointing out the same patterns of governance are being seen around the globe in multiple countries.

https://youtu.be/3y6NmdH5k4s

Among many other reports Piers Corbyn’s GMB treatment is pulled apart comprehensively. Victoria is covered and there is contribution from NZ. The Column have been impressive throughout and deserve support by sharing.

A friend is putting episodes onto usd sticks to reach those who are not connected to the internet.

112930 ▶▶ AllieT, replying to Basics, 1, #974 of 1147 🔗

Agree! love the column especially the American adore his sarcasm

112840 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #975 of 1147 🔗

Interesting map of Europe showing the regional spread of C-19.
https://twitter.com/FrancescoLari/status/1301191702674321411/photo/1

112907 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, #976 of 1147 🔗

I t looks like it’s a map of absolute numbers of “cases” so does not mean a lot.

112850 Mike, 1, #977 of 1147 🔗

This may have been posted and if so apologies… but I was quite amazed to see this on Yahoo of all places…a moment of sanity.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-second-wave-testing-more-135414823.html

112870 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #978 of 1147 🔗

Apologies if a repost. Masks in schools, Sec of State says not needed unless local lockdown area.

Huw Merriman MP Tweet.
Children returning to school safely is crucial but I am concerned about the face mask requirement. Pleased that the SoS confirmed the Government only supports use of face masks in schools that are in local lockdown areas and not across country

Clip from Commons in Merriman’s tweet here: https://twitter.com/HuwMerriman/status/1301115136770482176?s=20

Simon Dolan comment
Confirmed then. The Gov does not support the use of face masks in schools. Please refer to this when talking your children to school tomorrow

https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1301207181069553665?s=20

112885 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 3, #979 of 1147 🔗

This is v good but the cynic in me thinks more testing = local lockdowns = masks in schools.

The local lockdown will now be the stick to beat us.

113015 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to stefarm, #980 of 1147 🔗

Don’t get tested!

113020 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Nick Rose, #981 of 1147 🔗

Damn right, just say no!

112874 Polemon2, replying to Polemon2, 1, #982 of 1147 🔗

Please read and submit comments

If you wish to respond to the consultation on changes to Human Medicine Regulations to support the rollout of COVID-19 vaccines, please use this survey:
https://consultations.dhsc.gov.uk/5f43b8aca0980b6fc0198f9f
The consultation document and draft regulations are available here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu

112879 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Polemon2, 4, #983 of 1147 🔗

We (TT and Mr TT) are preparing a joint submission. They are trying to ward off ‘non-experts’ – sod that for a game of soldiers, as we are both natural scientists by background! The more members of the public that do this the better.

112901 ▶▶▶ Melangell, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #984 of 1147 🔗

I recently found out that when submitting an objection to a planning proposal in my neighborhood that a joint Mr and Mrs submission would only count as one voice – better to send them separately in case these rules apply across the board.

112911 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Melangell, 1, #985 of 1147 🔗

I used to work for a local MLA here in NI. We would put out bills for consultation and groups such as the Countryside Alliance would submit huge numbers of responses by canvassing their members with stock letters.

Maybe submitting the same response twice but under two names is the way you need to do it.

112918 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Melangell, #986 of 1147 🔗

Thanks for that. Problem is we have a joint email address and often that causes problems. Will investigate though.

112920 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #987 of 1147 🔗

Set a new one up on ProtonMail, takes moments.

113034 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Polemon2, #988 of 1147 🔗

You only have until 18 September. Anyone short of an idea of what to put in a box, I do nevertheless urge you to complete them all. I posted my replies a couple of nights ago, next to last to the end of the day.

112880 BobT, replying to BobT, 2, #989 of 1147 🔗

Question on PCR testing for dummies (me).
The NHS protocol says that a positive test is valid with a cycle count (Ct) less than 40.
CEBM suggest that for any Ct over 24 the test is positive but the person tested is unlikely to be infectious.
The ratio of 2^24 and 2^40 is 2^16 or 1:65,536.
Does this mean that out of 65,536 positive tests recorded only 1 is likely to be infectious?
Clearly this is simplistic becase the actual distribution of Ct’s amongst the tests is not published.

Over to the experts……

112904 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BobT, 2, #990 of 1147 🔗

I do hope that’s true. I dropped out of Maths after GCSE unfortunately.

Yet I can still see on a chart this Covid-19 is a nonsense

112906 ▶▶ nowhereman, replying to BobT, #991 of 1147 🔗

Thanks for this, can you post a link to the NHS protocol?

112991 ▶▶▶▶ nowhereman, replying to BobT, #993 of 1147 🔗

Ta!

112925 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to BobT, 1, #994 of 1147 🔗

I’m no expert, but I guess to get truly meaningful figures on this you would need to relate it to cases where you also have other information. If you know when they had measurable symptoms, when they had the test in relation to the onset of symptoms and the cycle count for their positive – then I think you could put these together to do some really useful analysis of the kind you’re suggesting.

I’d be interested to understand, could the cycle counts requirement vary based on how aggressively the swab is taken? Have we compared with antibody tests (not just blood serum – nasal etc.) and symptoms too to determine whether low cycle count correlates definitively with lots of antibodies post infection and high impact in terms of symptoms?

I do really wish they could collate/publish figures on the distribution, definitely with you there.

112927 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to BobT, 1, #995 of 1147 🔗

In normal times the litmus test for infectiousness would most likely be somebody with symptoms or at least showed signs of symptoms very recently.

112945 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to BobT, 2, #996 of 1147 🔗

I think you will find it is nearer to 65,000- Neil Ferguson OBE FMedSci
please clink the link below to study the deluxe model I used to harvest the true figure. Hope you all find this helpful!

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All a bit messy after clicking the link – look for image

PS How did you all find my Extinction deluxe lockdown to help transform Britain into a Totalitarian State?

Anyway must get back to work

112882 DaveB, 2, #997 of 1147 🔗

https://m.facebook.com/lilzoelee/videos/10158502844469137/

As if you didn’t already know it, the world’s officially gone made.

112886 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #998 of 1147 🔗
112891 Gillian, 26, #999 of 1147 🔗

One of the highest rated comments on the BBC news website on the Glasgow local lockdown restrictions imposed by the Scottish Gov:-

Places you can’t catch covid-19
1.Pubs
2 Restaurants
3.Gyms
4 School

Places you can catch covid-19

Your aunt Margarets conservatory.

112893 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 11, #1000 of 1147 🔗

Former Brexit secretary David Davis MP tells @timesradio
the government’s idea for digital ID cards is “bonkers”.

https://twitter.com/timesradio/status/1301214838123884544?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

112950 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #1001 of 1147 🔗

He’s right

112958 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #1002 of 1147 🔗

At last an MP standing up for the people!

113011 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #1003 of 1147 🔗

“Supposed second wave” he said. Interesting!

113035 ▶▶ Marie R, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #1004 of 1147 🔗

I’ll target him tomorrow

112895 Hoppity, replying to Hoppity, 19, #1005 of 1147 🔗

I work as a cleaner in an independent boarding school. For one reason and another, the job has always proved ‘extremely challenging’ (as in ‘stressful’) for me personally. (I don’t want to bore anyone with the details . . . much as I’d like to, really, but this is not the place.)
In a nutshell: the COVID arrangements put in place by the powers that be in the school I work for are a complete joke, and have, at the same time, succeeded in making my job as a cleaner a complete nightmare, rather than one I can wake up from, so that I’m at a loss as to know what to do if I’m to stay reasonably well, on the one hand, and hold my own at work, on the other.
I wish I had the wherewithal to elaborate, but I don’t. I went into work again today, but came away again shortly afterwards, such is the strain. (And the pittance they pay me will be docked for doing that, even though I have made every effort to ‘talk’ with them, share my knowledge with them, etc.).
It’s madness, all of it.
Apologies if this is a rubbish comment, and also for typos, anything ungrammatical, etc.. I’m dropping to ungrammatical pieces here. Wondering what I’m going to say to the b*ggers in the morning when (I know) I’m going to have to phone in sick.

112913 ▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Hoppity, 12, #1006 of 1147 🔗

Tell them that you corresponded with an experienced medical doctor last night who told you that he busies himself most days in the surgery not with Covid19 but with the mental health problems engendered by the government’ s insane ploicy of lockdown . Tell them that he said the pantomine of measures that they have dreamt up for you will make no difference to the transmission of the virus and he recommends you go back to your pre March 2020 procedures.

112947 ▶▶▶ DocRC, replying to Peter Thompson, 13, #1007 of 1147 🔗

make that two experienced medical doctors. This one thinks we are all safe to go back to normal life, and have been since May!

112999 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to DocRC, 3, #1008 of 1147 🔗

Probably been safe ever since 1st January…

113010 ▶▶▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to DocRC, 2, #1009 of 1147 🔗

Had a ” jumper ” in the surgery today. I think she works for intermediate care. Fully masked with the country rose pattern face nappy she literally jumped from me when she saw me in the kitchen. ” Dont worry I m not a leper ” . The insanity goes on …

112915 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Hoppity, 13, #1010 of 1147 🔗

Not a rubbish comment in the slightest, I’m fascinated to read people’s experiences and a little angry on your behalf.

112922 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Hoppity, 7, #1011 of 1147 🔗

That’s one of the stupidest things – bullshit rules that we know are not needed, not really followed properly anyway, but make your life difficult. Sadism and masochism.

112929 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Hoppity, 7, #1012 of 1147 🔗

Have wondered where you’ve been Hoppity, your comments always are good to read and come full of reason. Now I understand where you have been. I am sad for your circumstances. I speak with a caretaker attached to a University here from time to time. Your dispair matches his. The management making the tasks impossible, no control of working day and no satifaction at any point. Take your time with things. All the best to you Hoppity.

112967 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Hoppity, 4, #1013 of 1147 🔗

Has the school done a risk assessment of the new arrangements you have to cope with? Can you demonstrate how the changes affect your ability to do your job according to your job description?
Someone else here might know the legal ramifications of working under different conditions, and whether you would have the right to not work under these different conditions.
I’m so sorry you are in this situation, my best wishes for your future whatever you decide.

113072 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Hoppity, #1014 of 1147 🔗

Do keep us updated. As we all continue to work, or go back to work – if we are fortunate enough to have jobs to go back to – it’s very interesting to hear about others’ experiences.

113487 ▶▶▶ Hoppity, replying to Alethea, #1015 of 1147 🔗

Just to say thank you to everyone who has responded to the comment I made, and apologies for not responding to each question asked, suggestion made, etc.. Awake since 01:00 this morning, and haven’t gone into work. I think I’m hoping one or another manager at work will get in touch and address some of the issues I’ve raised with them in recent weeks, so that I feel I can go back in and simply get on with my job, but I’m not holding my breath.

112898 Cheezilla, 6, #1016 of 1147 🔗

Just listening to Richie Allen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-Eq1tWaVU0&feature=youtu.be

He plays a clip of Mutt Wankock briefing the MPs this morning. He says “the Oxford vaccine continues to be the World leader….”

That would be like the famous UK T&T app then?

112899 Hoppity, 2, #1017 of 1147 🔗

The picture of the kids in boaters rings so many bells . . .

Everything fine and dandy for the fee-paying customers. Minnows taking up all the slack, and never mind if some of them fall by the wayside, as they’re easily replaced (especially now).

112900 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1018 of 1147 🔗

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53612397

Is the BBC starting to turn?

112944 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1019 of 1147 🔗

When they mention HCQ I might be prompted to pay attention.

112997 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PastImperfect, #1020 of 1147 🔗

That would be more like it!

112994 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ewan Duffy, 2, #1021 of 1147 🔗

Pushing two expensive patented drugs?

112902 Cheezilla, #1022 of 1147 🔗

.

112912 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1023 of 1147 🔗

The China Syndrome Part III: Wet Markets and BioLabs
https://quillette.com/2020/09/02/the-china-syndrome-part-iii-wet-markets-and-biolabs/
This the third article about China and C-19 by Philippe Lemoine in Quillette. He is not a China apologist but in his two previous articles he thoroughly dismisses evidence that China covered it up in the beginning. In his third article he disproves all evidence or suspicions that the virus was man made or leaked from the lab. He says most likely brought in with a peasant infected from wildlife. Many would disagree with the author but he seems to be doing a very thorough examination of evidence. But he omits two important things. There were leaks, unintended, earlier from Chinese lab and the obvious location of the lab doing corona virus research at the centre of the outbreak. He also does not go into that the previous SARS outbreak was in Guangdong province and many of the influenza pandemics seem not to have originated in the Wuhan region. But controversial read all three articles. One more to go in the article series that will discuss whether China has covered up the pandemic afterwards. Easy to suspect what he is going to say.

112921 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1024 of 1147 🔗

It is notable that China appears to have been least affected, by a huge margin, out of all major industrialised nations, both economically and medically (if their stats are to be believed). If they didn’t manufacture it, they have certainly outmanouevred the rest of us.

112955 ▶▶▶ assoc, replying to Julian, #1025 of 1147 🔗

What’s the betting that the WHO recommend the world to use a Chinese-made vaccine?

112993 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #1027 of 1147 🔗

Don’t show this to our morons, or they’ll make it an official policy.

112916 Basics, #1028 of 1147 🔗

BBC Disinformation Specialist Reporter has a twitter account.

Her name is Marianna Spring.
https://twitter.com/mariannaspring/status/1301165845763235840?s=20

She’s been complaining people have picked on her. Her job title on Muck Rack gives Social Media as part of her remit. Twitter is renowned for being an unpleasant place, she should know this?

Odd for a propaganda unit to feel picked on. Send her support or advice: marianna.spring@bbc.co.uk

The Moscow Times has a 2018 article by Ms Spring.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2018/11/07/russia-had-a-metoo-moment-a63439

There’s a decidely progressive nature to work she did for Cherwell.
https://cherwell.org/author/marianna-spring/page/1/

In 2016 Ms Spring was being celebrated as a 2nd year undergraduate in linguistic studies having success with the Moscow Times. Worth noting the circulation of The Moscow Times was 55,000 in 2017 when it remodelled to weekly.
https://www.pmb.ox.ac.uk/news/undergraduate-linguist-marianna-spring-becomes-news-reporter-moscow-times

In 2014 Ms Spring left sixth form college. https://www.suttonhigh.gdst.net/senior-school/our-amazing-alumnae

£3.4 Billion BBC budget gives you Ms Spring. We are lucky.

112924 Basics, #1029 of 1147 🔗

Here’s a little brain twister of a way freelance journalists can get involved with the mask propaganda.

Campaign: Unmask The Truth (!)

Freedom Press Unlimited want you to write your message of solidarity on your mask, take a selfie and send it in. Your mug shot will be added to their walls. Yes, all in all, journalists too can be, another brick in the wall.

The beautiful irony they say is that by masking up ~ you are supporting unmasking the truth.

https://www.freepressunlimited.org/en/news/campaign-unmask-the-truth

‘Do you want to know more? During the campaign we will share inspiring stories from journalists who have overcome multiple challenges and struggles in their mission to unmask the truth. We will give you an insight into the work of journalists with podcasts and informative articles on investigative journalism and on debunking disinformation.’

They are using the name of a Filiipino journalist Maria Ressa who is facing jail for her reporting of corruptions.

112936 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #1030 of 1147 🔗

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi was BUSTED requesting special treatment at a CLOSED San Francisco salon. She claims she “didn’t think she was doing anything wrong,” but is there anyone on this earth who believes her lies anymore??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAR2i4X8vxs

112938 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #1031 of 1147 🔗

A hell of a lot of democratic voters, unfortunately.

112946 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 5, #1032 of 1147 🔗

CUI BONO? Heres how much the leading Oligarchs have made so far during the same Quarantine that obliterated America’s Middle class.

Jeff Bezos (Amazon)increase = $36.2 billion

Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook)increase = $30.1 billion

Elon Musk (Space X)increase = $14.1 billion

Sergey Steve Brin(Google)increase = $13.9 billion

Larry Page (Google)= $13.7 billion

Steve Ballmer (Microsoft)= $13.3 billion

MacKenzie Bezos (Amazon)= $12.6 billion

Michael Bloomberg (Bloomberg)= $12.1 billion

Bill Gates (Microsoft/BMGF)= $11.8 billion

Larry Ellison (Oracle)= $8.5 billion

Mark Zuckerberg – ‪From March 18 to June 4 Zuckerberg increased his wealth 52% to over $83 billion, according to the report. CNBC‬

According to that report, the total net worth of America’s billionaires rose 15% during the two months, from $2.9 trillion to $3.4 trillion. FORBES

Jeff Bezos, founder and CEO of Amazon, was the biggest winner as his fortune grew by $36.2 billion to $202 billion ‪between March 18 and June 4‬, IPS said. BUSINESS INSIDER. Everybody get it? The joke is on you !

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEo6o5LHi_4/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

113041 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, #1033 of 1147 🔗

They’ll be cash rich when this recession becomes a tsunami and businesses go bust. Monopolies ahoy!

112949 AN other lockdown sceptic, #1034 of 1147 🔗

Latest News From Fascist Melbourne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swXk11hxB5U

112952 Edward, replying to Edward, 3, #1035 of 1147 🔗

I’ve received emails about the new season from two football clubs which I follow, to the extent of attending about 5 or 6 matches per season in each case. I won’t name them but one is in the Championship and the other in the National League, both of which are categorised as elite sport.

The Championship club will be allowing season ticket holders only (that rules me out), who will be seated individually or in “bubble pairs”. It doesn’t say if a larger group living in the same house will be allowed to sit together. The phrase “temporarily reduced capacity” is used twice and they expect that demand will exceed this capacity. There is also the club’s own live TV option, free to season ticket holders and available for £10 per match to others.

Clubs at National League level are more dependent on ticket receipts. Capacity will be restricted to 15% or 30% of the normal maximum, not sure how it’s decided which one but may depend on stadium layout. Even at 30% my club will have significantly fewer spectators than their average for last season. To compensate for this they will be increasing ticket prices. Season tickets will not be available as they are unable to guarantee a full fixture list (second lockdown or financial failure? – they don’t say).

Clubs at non-elite levels will have a reduced capacity, again 15% or 30% of maximum, and I presume they’ll just count people coming in till the capacity is reached.

I think my two clubs are doing their best to try and be fair to supporters while operating within government rules and guidelines. But as with other businesses and cultural institutions, it’s disappointing that club owners and chairmen are afraid to stand up to the government and say “You are seriously damaging our business, possibly to the extent of bankruptcy”. With football clubs there is also (I would say) a non-monetary value to the community.

How will the rougher elements among the supporters react to not being allowed to support their team in their accustomed manner? A bit of aggro (is that a 1980s word?) might be welcome as long as it’s directed against those who deserve it for the damage they’re causing – I’ll say no more.

112966 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Edward, 2, #1036 of 1147 🔗

I’m really surprised that football clubs aren’t kicking up more of a fuss. Maybe they are behind the scenes. Operating at 10-30% capacity is not feasible for any of them. Even a lot of the premier league clubs will suffer. If the government want to get the economy going then allowing crowds at sporting events is key. It’s not going to happen though. It’s going to be a long, tedious process to get then to even 50% capacity I think.

113017 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Hubes, 4, #1037 of 1147 🔗

If masks work, then why do we need capacity limits?

112975 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Edward, 3, #1038 of 1147 🔗

Oh God in Heaven. It just makes me want to scream myself hoarse.

112992 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Liam, 3, #1039 of 1147 🔗

One day I’m going to run naked down the street screaming (apologies in advance to my neighbours). And when they lock me up at least I’ll have a bit of peace and hopefully too many drugs to care anymore.

113052 ▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #1040 of 1147 🔗

As long as you wear a mask and mention BLM you should be fine to do as you please

113059 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Eddie, 2, #1041 of 1147 🔗

.. & identify as a migrant too. Might as well chuck in the trifecta. Saw a charity rep. earlier say migrants have been through enough, no masks or social distancing required.

113008 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Edward, 2, #1042 of 1147 🔗

Especially as they can create masked up aggro, just like the old days 😉

113051 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Edward, 1, #1043 of 1147 🔗

I think my club should keep fans away forever thus the toxic home atmosphere at the Emirates will never be experienced again. Surely we can win the league now! 🙂

113069 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Edward, 1, #1044 of 1147 🔗

I do like to read about things I don’t know about. Thank you for this report!

112953 Basics, 1, #1045 of 1147 🔗

The Truth is Contagious.
https://youtu.be/zxtWzq7HMp4

112956 Nobody2020, 5, #1046 of 1147 🔗

In the book Lord of the Flies we are given an allegory on how society might function without rules. Society in this case is represented by schoolboys stranded on an island after their plane crashes.

The 2020 reboot of this would involve politicians on an island just across the Channel from France, overdosed on Haribo Starmix (see this advert if you’re not aware of how they’re advertised: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9scm3NCIH_E ) made paranoid by a virus that once swept the land. They can’t be sure that the virus won’t return so set about making arbitrary rules and regulations designed to stop the virus from ever coming back. In their blindness they think nothing of killing some of their own in the pursuit of their goals.

As a modern day twist to the ending there are unfortunately no adults to come and save them and society as they knew it dies with them.

112957 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #1047 of 1147 🔗

Alan Jones Sky Australia on Zoe Lee arrest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcHUGZGT9V4

112961 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1048 of 1147 🔗

Too shocked to comment further!

112964 ▶▶ CGL, replying to crimsonpirate, #1049 of 1147 🔗

How can this go on?

112968 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to crimsonpirate, 31, #1050 of 1147 🔗

My e-mail to Alan Jones:

Alan, I know this comes from the UK, but want to just express my own disgust, as well as that of many of my fellow countrymen, especially among the lockdown sceptic community, at the disgraceful behaviour of the police arresting this poor lady. You are absolutely right, the vile, evil Premier of Victoria must go. Now.

Our movement, now worldwide, is growing in strength daily. Soon, we will again enjoy our rights and liberties. Everywhere. UK, Australia, the United States, New Zealand, France, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Canada, Spain, Italy…

Hold fast, you are an inspiration to us on the other side of the world, as well as to those in Oz.

112970 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1051 of 1147 🔗

Thanks for writing that!

112988 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Steeve, 1, #1052 of 1147 🔗

👍

112972 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1053 of 1147 🔗

we need someone to say something similar on Sky News UK- might be waiting a long time

113079 ▶▶▶ Sally, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1054 of 1147 🔗

As a very worried Australian I thank you!

112976 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1055 of 1147 🔗

If you feel as angry about this as I do:

daniel . andrews @parliament. vic .gov.au

tel:+61(0)396515000

112978 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 12, #1056 of 1147 🔗

To:
daniel.andrews@parliament.vic.gov.au

Wed, 2 Sep at 21:51
Sir

It is time for you to go. This evil, vile behaviour cannot be tolerated anywhere in the world. We hanged people like you after Nuremburg in 1946.

113003 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1057 of 1147 🔗

Done

112989 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to crimsonpirate, 14, #1058 of 1147 🔗

Every day, it seems I hear something I wouldn’t have thought possible 6 months ago. Flipping Australia, not China FFS!

Strangling a girl for going out without a mask.

Breaking car windows of people too far from home.

6 months in prison for a lady who tried to smuggle herself out of The Peoples Republic of Victoria.

Drones flying round checking you are within the required distance from your home.

And now, arresting a pregnant woman for a post on Facebook.

How there has not been a statewide uprising is beyond my comprehension.

113009 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Laura Suckling, 3, #1059 of 1147 🔗

The sheeple are Baaaaaadly brianwashed

113067 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #1060 of 1147 🔗

It’s coming.

113068 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Nick Rose, #1061 of 1147 🔗

Good!

113038 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #1062 of 1147 🔗

holy shitstick, that video is awful. There should be massive violent protesting in Australia.

113058 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to RyanM, #1063 of 1147 🔗

Indeed, if she was a person of no appearance would the police have been brave enough to do that?

112959 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #1064 of 1147 🔗

It must be quite exhilarating to someone like Whitty, Sturgeon or Hancock ETC, that after being an unknown in the shadows, that suddenly you make a statement, do this do that, and people actually do it, its how dictators are born.

112974 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Dan Clarke, 14, #1065 of 1147 🔗

Mhmm, well many, many people are just ignoring any new restrictions in the North West, mask wearing seems to be decreasing too. Carl Heneghan seems to be in every news article in every paper Express, Mail, Sun, Guardian, Spectator and on TV, inc BBC almost daily. Constantly questioning the data, the tests, the fear. I don’t think people are going to go along with it much longer. So what will they do to us next to make us behave?

112983 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to wendy, 6, #1066 of 1147 🔗

The cracks are there Wendy! Kicking off in Oz too, big time :o))

113056 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1067 of 1147 🔗

The most encouraginv thing about Oz is the class action against Chairman Dan.
I hope it spreads to here and they can be launched against Kim Il Handycock and Kim Jong SturgOn as well.
Personal liability is the only way to concentrate minds.
The big problem is none of the people shutting the economy down have any skin in the game.

113063 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #1068 of 1147 🔗

I know. Stocking up on popcorn for the fun and games to come.

112984 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to wendy, 8, #1069 of 1147 🔗

I’ve stopped reading and watching the majority of MSM, too annoying, and havent seen Carl Heneghan just read his comments and totally agree. Yes more of the intelligent ones do seem to be waking up and speaking out more now. South coast today, no masks and cafe very busy, all very normal instead of abnormal.

113005 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Dan Clarke, #1070 of 1147 🔗

Yes I agree, MSM and TV very depressing, it’s just I found some links on Simon Dolan’s website to Carl Heneghan’s articles and searched his name to see where else he has been interviewed. If they are choosing to interview him and report what he is saying there must be a reason.

112990 ▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to wendy, 1, #1071 of 1147 🔗

I wish I shared your optimism, it’s not like that where I live in keighley, mask wearing on the up, especially outside, it’s very depressing.

112995 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Moomin, 2, #1072 of 1147 🔗

Indeed, mask compliance is still very high round here. I really wish there was more pushback.

113006 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Moomin, #1073 of 1147 🔗

I am sure it will turn.

113055 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to wendy, #1074 of 1147 🔗

I expect more from the North before it reaches us here in the South though.

112980 Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #1075 of 1147 🔗

Taxing their way out of this mess isn’t possible.

Steve Baker MP writes:

“The tax burden is found to have been close already to the upper limit of historic sustainability before the pandemic. The evidence shows it is difficult to raise the non-oil tax burden above 39% of factor cost GDP for any time.”

https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1300402195230330880?s=20

Read his informed letter to Sunak following a committee meeting.

112982 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 4, #1076 of 1147 🔗

One step at a time. I agree with what he says about the tax, but can we get rid of the lockdown first please?

112985 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Basics, 3, #1077 of 1147 🔗

Steve Baker is also one of the only people talking sense re. central banks and how we do money more generally. Did some good talks for Cobden Centre etc. years back.

112996 ▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to Tee Ell, -1, #1078 of 1147 🔗

Warren Mosler

112998 ▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to BJJ, #1079 of 1147 🔗

Says there is in fact a Magic Money Tree

113000 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 5, #1080 of 1147 🔗

Needed to take 2 of my cats for checkups at the vets’ today. We had to wait in the car park for the vet to come out to collect the cats. She was wearing a mask even though we were outside. I said “I hope things will be more normal when I next come now corona death rates are so low. She replied “I hope so too but people are just so scared.”

113037 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 4, #1081 of 1147 🔗

I was lucky to be with my old girl to the final needle recently. No mask required and was allowed to have a good cry in the examination room before exiting.
Then a masked lady offered her rough condolences of “brutal isn’t it?” and without being able to see her face it kind of bothered me.
Hope your cats are doing well!

113054 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Eddie, 3, #1082 of 1147 🔗

Sorry for your loss. They do leave little paw prints on our heart, don’t they.. remember the good times & treasure them.

113061 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Eddie, 1, #1083 of 1147 🔗

It’s so sad when you lose a pet. Glad you were treated with a bit of kindness.

113070 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Eddie, 1, #1084 of 1147 🔗

I’m so sorry for your loss. I’m glad you were able to be with her at the end. My friend and I were wondering if people would be allowed to say goodbye to their pets while we were waiting. My cats received a clean bill of health I’m pleased to say and Harry, who had lost weight unexpectedly last year now weighs a stone again.

113001 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 7, #1085 of 1147 🔗

The dystopian future is almost upon us, at least if Jeremy Hunt gets his way:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/02/mass-weekly-covid-19-testing-of-population-to-be-trialled-in-england

This proposal, from an obvious maniac, is very, very worrying.

113004 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1086 of 1147 🔗

This is insane for such a mild virus.

113014 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1087 of 1147 🔗

The Guardian. Hunt will not get his way with that.

113021 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1088 of 1147 🔗

He’s campaigning – after all when Boris is ‘removed’ he must be next in line given he was second in the contest! He’s a nasty piece of work.

113074 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1089 of 1147 🔗

He’s a piece of something…. 🙂

113023 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Tenchy, 10, #1090 of 1147 🔗

So… I hate to be “this guy” on the thread, here… but let me repeat something that I’ve’ been saying to my Mom.

We’re Christians, and my mom is convinced that we are living “in the end times.” She is absolutely certain of this. I keep reminding her of the Bible itself, which says “nobody knows the time or the place,” and I find myself referencing history as a guide. Early Christians who were prosecuted by various governments all believed that the book of Revelation was in direct reference to their present situation. It wasn’t.

I don’t doubt that nations rise and fall, that conquerors come and go, and that would-be conquerors come and are defeated. Who know this better than the English and the French? Hell, the French are on both sides of that historical fact, within a hundred years.

There are always revolutionaries among us. There are always dictatorial politicians, and power hungry technocrats, and people who want to re-create the world in their own image… and it turns out that these people are not in control. Not nearly as much as they wish.

I am not saying that this dystopian future is not possible, and surely our ability to recognize evil and fight it is extremely important. But I also don’t think that this downward spiral is inevitable, or that evil doesn’t overplay its hand. When I walk around, months after all of this covid-madness started, talking to random people I run into at stores or on the street … I find that there are more people who wish to return to life as normal. There are more people who dislike rioting than there are rioters. We simply cannot say that anything is inevitable, here. Governments and politicians propose all sorts of big-brother policies; tracking and tracing and controlling our money or requiring certain types of ID card and so forth… and they overplay their hands. At some point, the narrative falls apart when ordinary people can look around them and see none of this nightmare that they are being sold on television. Those people don’t sign onto all of these proposals designed “for their own safety.”

We have no idea how this will turn out. But I suspect that it will not be nearly as bad as we imagine right now.

113062 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RyanM, 1, #1091 of 1147 🔗

Well said. And agree with you. Sooner or later, they will overstep, if they have not done so already. And our movement is growing daily. The sands of time are running out.

113094 ▶▶▶ Dominic12, replying to RyanM, 1, #1092 of 1147 🔗

I would love that to be the case and agree that people will turn against it. I fear, however, the decisions made in late March & April mean there is no way back and it is just a matter of time before the collapse. However I severely underestimated humanity and didn’t think we’d get this far so can only hope I have it wrong overall. If there is hope it has to come from those, united on this only as we must be, wanting the end to all lockdowns, masks, distancing and all the rest of it.

113027 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1093 of 1147 🔗

Announced on the same day as proposals for a digital health ID. Are they softening us up again?

113047 ▶▶ nfw, replying to Tenchy, #1094 of 1147 🔗

But as ever good old TB gets a free pass.

113071 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1095 of 1147 🔗

Yeah, that’s not going to work. 67 million people every week? The man’s a klutz. Obviously has an agenda but fuck knows what. Think of the logistics that would entail let alone the cost

113007 quodcumque, replying to quodcumque, 35, #1096 of 1147 🔗

My first day back teaching after five months today. We are unusual among secondary schools in that we taught a full timetable of live video lessons, with close to full attendance among pupils. So our pupils have not been as badly affected as many. A September free of teaching was therefore never an option, which is presumably why I’ve not heard a single colleague claim it’s unreasonable to be asked to go back.

Teachers seem to divide into three groups. Perhaps a quarter are “bedwetters”, who literally spend their frees wearing masks and plastic gloves in empty classrooms. As irrational as most of them are, they are genuinely frightened, and I have more sympathy with this group than with the sanctimonious bullies, the teaching union types who seem to love this virus and have taken it upon themselves to police their colleagues just as much as the pupils. In a meeting yesterday, when someone asked a member of senior management if it was really necessary to wear a mask in an empty corridor, a member of this second group (who had not even been asked) interrupted to say, “If in doubt wear the mask. We need to be the model of mask-wearing.” She looked incredibly pleased with herself. Another colleague, who had avoided confronting several young, male teachers who are not wearing masks, did find the courage to raise his voice at a reserved female in her late fifties, telling her that the lack of a mask was “just unacceptable”.

About half of staff appear to be sceptics, at least to some extent, far more than then media would suggest, and they would all happily do away with nearly all the safety stuff tomorrow if given the option. The rules, of course, make little sense and will be broken, to some extent, by everyone. Pupils are already starting to wear their masks as hats and arguing that this counts. Teachers are not supposed to touch anything that pupils have touched in the last forty-eight hours, or vice versa. I have resisted asking about door-handles. That would only increase, rather than exposing, the madness. This is all as unachievable as it is pointless and it makes marking impossible. Coronavirus does not infect paper and it does not pass through skin, so abstaining from marking work for two days is no safer than washing hands afterwards. Queries to the deputy head are met with a curt request that common sense be exercised, which may or may not be a tacit suggestion that we ignore his own rules.

I have refused to wear a mask in any setting up to this point. I dislike not being able to recognise people, and not being able to smile at anyone or hear people properly, and I see the whole thing as paying lip-service to a cause that I disagree with. But I can’t lose my job. I have compromised by sometimes wrapping a scarf around my neck and occasionally pulling it over my nose if I seem to be attracting someone’s attention (it falls back almost immediately). Pupils are not frightened, literally none of them, and especially not the ones whose mothers have contacted us to tell us that their darlings are terrified of returning to school. I did speak to one boy after I spotted him deliberately coughing into a friend’s face, but I have no interest in delving into the arcane subject of who is part of what bubble, who is allowed in what zone, and who is required to wear a mask where.

Today I was asked to give a group of pupils a corona “induction”, and I did so, reading the sillier parts robotically, and then explaining the parts that made sense. I finished by saying that nobody was going to die from coronavirus and that this was not a matter of life and death, but it might make it less likely that someone would be asked to isolate for fourteen days because of a slight cold, and it might prevent a return to video lessons. I added that there were too many rules for mistakes not to be made fairly commonly, and that this was fine, but people should try to exercise common sense and consider how risky something is before doing it. Teenagers are generally more cynical than adults and nobody had any trouble understanding this.

113013 ▶▶ Lili, replying to quodcumque, 4, #1097 of 1147 🔗

Well done. And good to hear so many teachers are sceptical.

113019 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to quodcumque, 4, #1098 of 1147 🔗

I’m hoping my girl’s new teacher is like you. Thumbs up!

113024 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to quodcumque, 4, #1099 of 1147 🔗

Live Video Lessons – Well done to all of you! Shame my Granddaughters school did nothing like that!!

113028 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to quodcumque, 5, #1100 of 1147 🔗

Great post. Thanks for your total professionalism. Wish more teachers and lecturers were like you.

113031 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1101 of 1147 🔗

I second that. Excellent report

113029 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to quodcumque, 3, #1102 of 1147 🔗

Great to hear this. Keep on!

113032 ▶▶ Liam, replying to quodcumque, 2, #1103 of 1147 🔗

The mask fanatics are a cult. The Ku Klux Karen.

113033 ▶▶ Edward, replying to quodcumque, 2, #1104 of 1147 🔗

This kind of front line information is really valuable.

113043 ▶▶ quodcumque, replying to quodcumque, 10, #1105 of 1147 🔗

Thank you, everyone. Liam, as I learned today, masks make excellent hats; they can also be used as catapults, or for garrotting one’s friends. And they double as a handkerchief. They can even be hooked onto friends’ ears and pulled. I fully approve of all of this, of course, but I can’t imagine they have any hygienic value in a school.

113073 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to quodcumque, 1, #1106 of 1147 🔗

Lol, Molesworth would love them…

113049 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to quodcumque, 1, #1107 of 1147 🔗

Good post, could someone with some legal expertise compose a standardised letter of legal liability that we sceptics can hand to the Karens to sign when they are bloviating about masks.
Unlimited personal liability including pension rights for any harms caused by mask wearing etc etc

113053 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to quodcumque, 3, #1108 of 1147 🔗

Wow. Reads like Catch 22 in its craziness. And you are Yossarian.

113065 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to quodcumque, 3, #1109 of 1147 🔗

Thank you, Quodcumque, I am very interested to hear of your experiences. (I am regarding with alarm and incredulity the preparations my university is putting in place for when we start teaching in a few weeks.) It’s a shame it’s late in the evening, as your post won’t be live for much longer: I imagine lots of people here would like to read it. It’s richly textured and encouragingly acerbic. Please post again as your term progresses.

113224 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to quodcumque, #1110 of 1147 🔗

UK – State or independent school?

113012 Marie R, replying to Marie R, 3, #1111 of 1147 🔗

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3572607242773885&id=138007436233900&anchor_composer=false

Public health Agency. Comments brilliant. Shot themselves in the foot again

113022 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Marie R, 6, #1112 of 1147 🔗

People are fed up. Even those who follow nothing but the fear based msm are looking around saying “where are the bodies?”

“Can I have a pint yet?”

113042 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Marie R, 2, #1113 of 1147 🔗

It’s totally ridiculous. Every other illness, even cancer has had to take second place to bloody Covid. Look, OK in the beginning when they didn’t know what to expect I could understand it, but now? Goodness knows what the mental health professionals will have to deal with when normal service is resumed. I’m horrified by the thought that this already underfunded and overstretched service is just not going to cope.

113050 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #1114 of 1147 🔗

Yep, apparently 500,000 people alone in this country took an online programme re:suicide prevention.

113066 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #1115 of 1147 🔗

The point is they’re working on normal service not being resumed and this is what we have to resist. Nothing to do with a virus. And they need to know that we know that.

113040 Nick, replying to Nick, 8, #1116 of 1147 🔗

“ The Scottish government said it was common for other viral infections to circulate after a “prolonged break” away from school.”

So masks and other measures stop
Covid but somehow other viruses are able to circulate as normal?

113044 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Nick, 3, #1117 of 1147 🔗

Yes, hard not to burst out laughing at that pathetic excuse.
Mind you it most likely indicates the level of understanding within the Natzi party.

113046 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Nick, 4, #1118 of 1147 🔗

Of course. Don’t you know this is a very smart virus.

Covid knows not to pass through those holes or gaps in your nappy.

It knows not to infect you when you are eating or drinking on a plane.

It knows it is only allowed to infect restaurant and pub customers whilst entering/exiting a premises or going to the lavatory.

It can infect you in the whole school apart from the classroom.

Other viruses need to get with the Covid programme.

113057 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick, 4, #1119 of 1147 🔗

This will be interesting to see if seasonal sniffles do actually spread like they usually do even with an the mental measures to stop the covids…I bet they will have very little effect at all. If they do have an effect it will be to BOOST seasonal colds and sniffles as we are all now presumably very susceptible to any kind of exposure to winter cold viruses as we have had little exposure to them (if the PPE and SD Works) which I am sure it doesn’t.. Perhaps the masks will boost other infections. It will be interesting.

113084 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Nick, 1, #1120 of 1147 🔗

There will very likely be an increase in bacterial infections amongst kids, they already have enough problems with facial grease, overactive sweat glands etc.
Somehow we must make the Karens personally liable for this.
All teachers identified as a Karen to lose any pension rights above state minimum as compensation to the young whose lives they have wilfully wrecked?
This is only a taster of the bacterial issues:
https://www.foxnews.com/health/mask-mouth-dentists-new-term

113045 nfw, replying to nfw, 4, #1121 of 1147 🔗

Is this true? https://www.travelpulse.com/news/impacting-travel/cdc-quietly-drops-mandatory-14-day-quarantine-after-traveling.html

If so then why all this carry-on still carrying-on? Oh that’s right, stupid politicians and civil servants and the lust for power and control.

113080 ▶▶ Michael C, replying to nfw, #1122 of 1147 🔗

The link seems to have been removed!

113048 assoc, 11, #1123 of 1147 🔗

This is weeks old, but more relevant than ever

113064 Arkleston, 2, #1124 of 1147 🔗

Phil Murphy has told New Jerseyans that if they don’t like the way he’s running the state, they can leave. And statistically he is in fact the number one governor to get away from.

https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/new-jersey-new-york-top-list-of-states-people-are-fleeing-most/

A diehard lockdowner, with all it entails 🙁

Driving around recently brought 2 depressing sights (with apologies for the Yankee spellings)

1. Car license plate ending in “DNR”.

2. a Jeep Wrangler that had a spare tire cover with the “Life is Good” logo.

Just as well that brand got launched before 2020, cause it needs an edit now.

113075 assoc, replying to assoc, 1, #1125 of 1147 🔗

Toby is right about Wetherspoons’ policies changing. In some cases they do now require a table to become free before you are admitted. I have queried this at my local Spoons and am advised that all this is all coming from the local police, who are beginning to lay down the law after a long ‘hands off’ policy. A few evenings ago 2 police and 2 PCSOs were in the pub going round talking to groups about Social Distancing (and for all I know asking about familial relationships or lack thereof). Fortunately they didn’t bother with me and my circle of old reprobates! I don’t think you should blame JDW without doing more research

113081 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to assoc, 1, #1126 of 1147 🔗

One wonders if putting the boot on the other foot would work.
You know – taking their photograph and recording their name and number for the truth and reconciliation enquiry that will be held.
Get the buggers nervous about their pensions, it may make them behave a bit better now.

113077 matt, 7, #1127 of 1147 🔗

Last year (up to this March) I helped out coaching my littler boy’s group at the local rugby club at the weekend (U6s). They’re starting up again next weekend (now U7s), so the “coaches” met up today at the pub to talk through the plan.

Firstly, the new rules. Not too bad on balance – and at least the kids will be able to enjoy a relatively normal experience. Stand-out weirdness as follows:
– kids must have a break for water every 15 minutes. Own water bottles only and they must sanitise their hands with sanitiser brought from home (yeah, right)
– all balls must also be cleaned every 15 minutes (this was the topic of a lot of jokey and dismissive conversation)
– no Velcro tags allowed (the kids usually wear a Velcro belt with strips hanging off. Tearing off a strip counts as a tackle). Two handed tag tackles are allowed, however. But no contact (riddle me this!)

And next, the evening out.

Negatives:
– the first two pubs couldn’t seat us inside, despite being palpably nearly empty. So we didn’t stay there
– deeply excessive measures at those first two pubs. Doors manned, one way systems, visors on staff…
– nobody quite prepared to commit to a sceptic position

Positives:
– absolutely everyone shook hands, as gentlemen do. No exceptions
– the third pub had nominal ‘measures’ in place and we weren’t allowed to order at the bar, but the barmaid – sorry, person – was lovely and efficient and it was completely clear that absolutely nobody in the pub gave a damn for any of the rules
– lots of verbal dancing around quite how much we all thought it was nonsense. There were some sceptics waiting to com out of the closet there, for sure.

On balance – I’ll take it.

113082 Dominic12, replying to Dominic12, #1128 of 1147 🔗

I am aware of a protest on Saturday but am also aware of the £100 fine for participants and £10,000 for organisers if it is over 30 people, which it probably will be.

I don’t know the approach the Police will take but knowing the people attending (generally StandUpX) fear they might not be fully conversant with the law and would be grateful to be pointed to advice which can be printed off and provided to the participants for their assistance should the Police intervene.

Thank you.

113209 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Dominic12, 1, #1129 of 1147 🔗

Firstly, it’s highly unlikely that you will be arrested if you are just walking or standing and generally behaving yourself.

You have your right to remain silent enshrined in law AND we are policed by consent. If you are arrested then you can calmly say ‘I do not consent. I am using my right to remain silent enshrined in law’. You can repeat this as often as necessary and remember you are under no obligation to talk to the police or say anything to incriminate yourself because you have not committed a crime (Criminal Law) you have broken a rule (Administrative Law) that has had no Parliamentary scrutiny and is Ultra Vires, meaning that the government has acted beyond their legal power. {I got partway through a law degree before I abandoned it as my tutor (Australian) didn’t know that Statute Law does NOT override Common Law, something stated clearly in one of my Law texts.)

Don’t take anything with your name on it in case you are searched.

Watch this – it’s the US but their law is essentially our law.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

Good luck.

113210 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Lili, 1, #1130 of 1147 🔗

And don’t give them your name.

113219 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Lili, #1131 of 1147 🔗

Eh? Do you argue your fixed penalty parking fines on the grounds that they are ‘ultra vires’? Not.
See instead laworfiction website.

113086 richard riewer, #1132 of 1147 🔗

PuriTyrannical.

113087 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1133 of 1147 🔗

Check Matt Cockup’s statement about the MHRA being independent after they received $400000 dollars from the Gates Foundation last September, 2019.

113688 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to richard riewer, #1134 of 1147 🔗

Gates has his grubby fingers in all our pies! Yet no newspaper runs with that story, no need to wonder why.

113096 richard riewer, 1, #1135 of 1147 🔗

Rally scheduled for September 26, 2020, concurrent with Parliament’s decision to further extend the lockdown. Piers Corbyn on Richie Allen today, Wednesday, September 2, 2020.

113101 richard riewer, #1136 of 1147 🔗

Stop New Normal is a new blog.

113102 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #1137 of 1147 🔗

Go to Piers Corbyn and buy a weather forecast to help fund his defense. Or go to Donor Box on his Twitter account.

113220 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to richard riewer, #1138 of 1147 🔗

So many different groups, all wanting funding. But none of them are achieving very much, it seems. Other than to provide reading material for the likes of us, the already converted. I don’t have any suggestions, sadly. What can we, the powerless populace do? Feels like a bloody coup of governments around the world is the only solution. Sorry, having a bad day already.

113675 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to richard riewer, #1139 of 1147 🔗

He has already reached his target fine!

113103 richard riewer, 1, #1140 of 1147 🔗

Disobey. Read Henry David Thoreau’s ‘On the duty of Civil Disobedience’. Still valid after all these years.

113104 richard riewer, 2, #1141 of 1147 🔗

Piers Corbyn motto: Stop New Normal, Save Lives

113107 richard riewer, #1142 of 1147 🔗

Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 1 billion people worldwide get the flu every year .
In the U.S., for Oct. 1, 2019 – Apr. 4, 2020, the CDC estimates that there were 39 million to 56 million cases of flu. (The CDC does not know the exact number because the flu is not a reportable disease in most parts of the U.S.)
So far Covid, supposedly, has affected 25 million worldwide. 40 times less.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu

113229 Nobody2020, #1143 of 1147 🔗

**New update is available**

113342 Phil Childs, #1144 of 1147 🔗

PCR testing – asymptomatic people who are testing positive but may have had the virus weeks ago could get a second test perhaps a month later… if this is positive too it would help to expose the Big Lie.

113368 Lms23, #1145 of 1147 🔗

“NHS England has encouraged GPs to ‘keep patients away from hospital’, despite recent messages to restart routine care.

In the latest update to the GP standard operating procedures, NHS England said GPs should continue to use specialist advice and guidance ‘where available’ to avoid referring patients for outpatient appointments.

But GP leaders said the guidance is ‘disingenuous’.

Throughout the Covid-19 pandemic, GPs have warned that they are managing more patients ‘outside their comfort zone’ due to less support from secondary care services.

And one LMC last week warned NHS England that its local hospital has ‘closed its doors to patients’.

However, the standard operating procedure reiterated that GPs should ‘continue to refer patients’ to secondary care, basing judgements around urgency on ‘usual clinical thresholds’.

The document said: ‘GPs should continue to use specialist advice and guidance where available to inform the management of patients in primary care and avoid unnecessary outpatient activity.

‘These services should strengthen existing care pathways and keep patients away from hospital settings unless a referral is necessary.’

It added that they should take into consideration the ‘need for non-face-to-face consultations, likely delays in restarting routine elective activity and communicating likely delays to patients at point of referral’.

Lincolnshire LMC medical secretary Dr Kieran Sharrock told Pulse that the guidance is ‘disingenuous’.

He said: ‘We don’t make referrals just because we feel like doing them – we only make them when we feel they’re necessary.

‘Clearly we have to try and avoid sending patients to hospital where there’s a risk of Covid and so what we should be able to do is make referrals and then the hospital assesses whether or not the patient needs to be seen.’

Dr Sharrock added that not all specialties in Lincolnshire are accepting advice and guidance referrals, while others follow pathways that create delays which could mean the referral ‘doesn’t actually happen’.

He said: ‘For instance, you make a referral for advice and guidance and the advice is ‘refer this patient to see me in outpatients’, which just creates delay for the patient [and] bureaucracy for the GP practice.

‘We don’t really understand why if a specialist feels they need to see a patient they can’t just refer them directly to their own clinic or make some arrangement to assess them virtually via video consultation or telephone.’

He added: ‘We are warning patients [about delays] but if they then do want us to refer because we can’t manage their condition then what other choice do we have?’

Since April, NHS England has told GPs to continue referring patients to secondary care despite restrictions on elective care due to Covid-19.

Last month, it outlined that trusts must make their e-referrals service ‘fully open’ to GPs.

But an audit by the Royal College of Physicians revealed some specialties could take up to two years to clear their referral backlog – following similar concerns raised by GPs in Liverpool.

Meanwhile, health secretary Matt Hancock this month signalled that he wants GPs to continue to consult patients who would typically be seen in secondary care – with specialist help – after the Covid-19 pandemic comes to an end.”
http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/gps-should-keep-patients-away-from-hospital-says-nhs-england/20041358.article

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Hospital has ‘closed its doors’ to patients, LMC warns NHS England

GP leaders have written to NHS England to demand that an NHS hospital trust urgently restores routine referrals as it has ‘closed its doors’ to some patients, ‘destabilising’ practices in the process.

Oxfordshire LMC said local GPs are ‘concerned and angry’ about the ‘ongoing closure’ to routine referrals across multiple ‘high-demand’ specialties by Oxford University Hospital Foundation Trust, while warning GPs are also being asked to carry out tests that should be done in hospital.

A ‘significant’ number of specialties are affected, including ENT, general gynaecology, dermatology, ophthalmology, endoscopy and urology, as well as plastics and maxillofacial, it added.

The hospital trust said it had remained open for urgent and emergency care and was accepting clinically urgent and suspected cancer referrals, while reinstating services to support ‘the vast majority’ of routine referrals.

In April, NHS England told GPs to continue referring patients to secondary care despite restrictions on elective care due to Covid-19.

Last month, it outlined that trusts must make their e-referrals service ‘fully open’ to GPs.

But Oxfordshire LMC has this week written to NHS England and the council of governors at OUHFT to demand that there are ‘no further delays’ in restoring the services amid concerns of ‘patient harm’.

It said: ‘The LMC believes the continuing closure of some specialty services to routine referrals is now so serious for patients that it has taken a decision to formally raise the concerns of Oxfordshire’s GPs with NHS England.’

Oxon LMC chair Dr Raman Nijjar added that GPs are being asked to carry out tests that ‘should be done in hospital’ and are ‘unable to progress a patient’s care in the way they wish’ because services remain closed.

He said: ‘The reopening of these services for routine referrals is now urgently needed.

‘This disturbing situation at Oxford University Hospitals must not continue as it’s causing anxiety to patients and also having a deeply destabilising effect on local doctors’ surgeries.’

Joint chief executive of the regional LMCs Dr Matt Mayer added that the trust’s position ‘appears to be at odds with the national picture, which sees most hospitals again accepting all routine patient referrals’.

The LMC added that it is ‘understandable and a necessity’ that hospitals have had to focus on urgent unplanned care due to the coronavirus pandemic.

‘But our biggest local hospital cannot effectively close its doors on some of its patients for many months and give up on some of its healthcare duties in this respect,’ it said.

In a joint statement from OUHT and Oxfordshire CCG, the organisations said: ‘Throughout the pandemic, OUH was able to treat Covid-19 patients by asking staff to move from their normal activities to support affected patients. OUH remained open for emergency and urgent care, but in line with the rest of the UK routine and elective procedures were stopped.

‘During Covid-19, OUH continued to accept clinically urgent and suspected cancer referrals from GPs, and continued to carry out urgent and emergency treatment.

‘OUH is now able to reinstate services to support the vast majority of routine referrals, including plastic surgery and urology. GPs can continue to make routine referrals across all specialties, but some areas in high demand will see patients seen and treated outside of OUH.’

They added: ‘Patient and staff safety is an absolute priority for us, and we need to reinstate services in a safe and effective way.’

It comes as health secretary Matt Hancock this month signalled that he wants GPs to continue to consult patients who would typically be seen in secondary care – with specialist help – after the Covid-19 pandemic comes to an end.

Throughout the Covid-19 pandemic, GPs have warned that they are managing more patients ‘outside their comfort zone’ due to increased ‘workload dumping’ from secondary care services.

Last month, an audit by the Royal College of Physicians revealed some specialties could take up to two years to clear their referral backlog – following similar concerns raised by GPs in Liverpool.

And GP leaders warned that hospitals rendered ‘untouchable’ by coronavirus measures were still rejecting around 75% of referrals and ‘reverse delegating’ patients back to their GPs.

At the beginning of the pandemic, NHS England had acknowledged that there would be reduced capacity in secondary care but said that GPs should continue to refer.”

The GPs are extremely unhappy about all this.
Several have commented that the hospitals are getting paid whether they see patients or not, so they’re not seeing patients, just bouncing referrals back to GPs.

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