2020-09-03

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113111 DomW, replying to DomW, 4, #1 of 1402 🔗

It’s me!

113114 ▶▶ DomW, replying to DomW, #2 of 1402 🔗

Or perhaps not. Sally’s post wasn’t showing up when I posted. Never mind – maybe next time

113124 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to DomW, 27, #3 of 1402 🔗

Oh it was me after all.

Just watching the arrest video from Victoria. If this doesn’t stir the inmates to rise up against their tyrannical jailers I don’t know what will

113160 ▶▶▶▶ Sally, replying to DomW, 17, #4 of 1402 🔗

Truly, people are I’m sure applauding the police for this. They think the police are keeping us safe. The brainwashing has been super effective.

113178 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to DomW, #5 of 1402 🔗

I just heard that most of their personal weapons: guns, rifles etc were taken away from them 20 years ago. True or false?

113189 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sally, replying to richard riewer, 3, #6 of 1402 🔗

There was a gun buyback scheme and tightening of gun ownership laws following a massacre by a lone shooter. There are still lots of legally and illegally owned firearms in Australia, though.

113981 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sally, 2, #7 of 1402 🔗

Thanks, that’s good to know. I hate guns but I am beginning to think we might need to own them if this farce doesn’t end fairly soon.

113240 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to DomW, 7, #8 of 1402 🔗

They are testing to see what they can get away with.

113348 ▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to DomW, 3, #9 of 1402 🔗

As they say, most Aussies today seem to be the descendants of the prison guards, not of the prisoners….
Spiesser with surfboards.

113520 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #10 of 1402 🔗

Many of the original convicts were political dissidents ……

113973 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to DomW, 4, #11 of 1402 🔗

It might not. Have you seen the Prime Minister of Australia? He looks very serious. Maybe he’s scared too. How could any decent human being contemplate compulsory vaccines? This man has had his morals severely compromised. Someone’s pulling his strings.

113163 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to DomW, 7, #12 of 1402 🔗

Prof Michael Levitt: Covid panic will shorten lives
UnHerd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrTFXwLXUC8
Covid 19(84)

113165 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to DomW, 6, #13 of 1402 🔗

‘It’s fear-mongering’: Pregnant woman arrested over anti-lockdown FB post speaks out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKSLeIhYmUU

113171 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 43, #14 of 1402 🔗

“I’m too scared now.”

To stage a peaceful process.

21st Century Totalitarianism. I’m amazed how quickly our Western values have collapsed. It was all a castle of cards.

Ok, my mindset now is to forge ahead to help my kids – everyone’s kids – strive for a new and better world than the one our ‘masters’ have planned for us. The world I grew up in is dead. However, if there’s one thing history teaches us – in the long term, evil cannot win against the human spirit.

113417 ▶▶▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #16 of 1402 🔗

Facebook Link above is for:
12 noon 19th September Trafalgar Square – second protest + speakers.

113859 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to James Bertram, #17 of 1402 🔗

26th is there not 19th I thought??

113310 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mr Dee, 9, #18 of 1402 🔗

It’s winning now, Evil is way out in front.

113326 ▶▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Two-Six, 1, #19 of 1402 🔗

And, even if eventually overturned, it can kill and destroy the life of enormous numbers of individuals first. Neo-Stalinism won’t leave easily!

113543 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Two-Six, 5, #20 of 1402 🔗

Johnson and Hancock are the very embodiment of that evil.

113554 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, 9, #21 of 1402 🔗

Only if you give up!

The tide is turning. Look at the comments BTL here for example:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/02/government-readies-pilot-scheme-universal-covid-19-testing/

Same in the Mail.
Sun readers are waking up too.
Grad doesn’t tend to allow comments on such matters, so that might actually speak silent volumes.

113406 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Mr Dee, 9, #22 of 1402 🔗

Have to agree with this..People have been brainwashed, conditioned and scared by the MSM to a point that all rational thought has left them. They took away all our humanity, the ability to interact, watch sports, go to a restaurat, hug our fucking grandparents for fucks sake..The next step is mandatory tracer apps ( look at Ireland) , social scores and mandatory vaccines that will never end.

https://youtu.be/4tLcwsCrAmI

113549 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Thomas_E, 8, #23 of 1402 🔗

We are in a fight to the death, quite literally. They want rid of most of us and complete control over those that are left.

114533 ▶▶▶▶ nightspore, replying to Mr Dee, #24 of 1402 🔗

It looks like most people were just playing at being democratic citizens. Now there’s a new game in town – and they’re quickly learning the rules.

114535 ▶▶▶▶▶ nightspore, replying to nightspore, #25 of 1402 🔗

That means that some of us have to get back to the basics.

113175 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #26 of 1402 🔗

When the time comes perhaps a Network (movie as discussed yesterday at LS) type of protest

“I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore”

would be appropriate since nobody could be busted for inciting breaking lockdown as it mimics the NHS claporama that the government encouraged us to perform for months on end.

113430 ▶▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to karenovirus, 4, #27 of 1402 🔗

Good idea Karen.
Shout it from your window every Thursday at 8PM.
“I’m as mad as hell – and I’m not gonna take it anymore”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dib2-HBsF08

113860 ▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #28 of 1402 🔗

The second video is so unnerving. As a condition of her bail, she is not allowed to post to Facebook. How was it seen in the UK?

113630 ▶▶ Rosie, replying to DomW, #29 of 1402 🔗

Sorry this is all so serious but every time I click onto the comments there’s an adjective omitted comment “I’m first” or other equally adjective omitted banal remark. The joke was over weeks ago. Please stop.

113112 Sally, replying to Sally, 76, #30 of 1402 🔗

Re the “tasteless” pint glasses. Please, can someone please NOT apologise for once? And why are people so damn humourless these days? We’re living in a toxic blend of puritanism, hypocrisy and totalitarianism.

113117 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sally, 13, #31 of 1402 🔗

We should create a cocktail combining all those ingredients. The Cock & Bull Bomb.

113127 ▶▶ BobT, replying to Sally, 10, #32 of 1402 🔗

I am with you Sally. I read somewhere today that they want to ban comedians…..

113144 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BobT, 13, #33 of 1402 🔗

Obviously laughing spreads the Covid, just like singing and reading a newspaper on a train in Wales.

113467 ▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to BobT, 3, #34 of 1402 🔗

Time they banned the clowns.

113557 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to James Bertram, 6, #35 of 1402 🔗

That’s most of the Cabinet gone then!

113568 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to T. Prince, 1, #36 of 1402 🔗

And the Cabinet banned the rest of Parliament way back in April …..

113148 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Sally, 41, #37 of 1402 🔗

We’ll never get anywhere until we refuse to appease the perennially offended. If you are incapable of accepting there are alternative points of view in the world kindly stay under your duvet and out of the way until it is all over.

Then the majority can get on with their lives.

113603 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Sally, 17, #38 of 1402 🔗

I quite liked the glasses and once upon a time you could have had them and had a bit of laugh with your mates. Unfortunately the spell that been cast over the whole planet has now rendered them humour-less and pious over the whole Convid thing as they bleat: “But people are DYING!” “What do you mean, you DON’T WEAR A MASK?!!!” “I don’t want to hear your CONSPIRACY THEORIES! I listen to news I can trust like the BBC and CNN!” and so on…..I’ve given up with the majority of so-called friends who want to preach to you but put you down if you have any sort of alternative opinion to theirs. Yes, our world isn’t very funny anymore.

114012 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Sally, 6, #39 of 1402 🔗

I thought the glass was very tasteful & would be very pleased to have one!

114530 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Sally, #40 of 1402 🔗

looked like a Delerium Tremens glass to me

113116 richard riewer, 6, #41 of 1402 🔗

Infection rates or the number of people tested has increased? Doublespeak.

113120 BobT, replying to BobT, 43, #42 of 1402 🔗

Yesterday I was inspired by Prof. Carl Heneghan’s observations that the number of replications in the PCR testing cycle threshold (Ct) is too high when determining a positive, infectious ‘case’ but I do not think that he quantified what the difference could be.

Carl, I believe, is a fellow northerner and it is well known that we are more practical, pragmatic and much more intelligent than anyone else so I did a simplistic calculation of what the difference would be with Ct at 40 which is the NHS threshold for determining a positive ‘case’ (see link below) and Ct at 24 which Carl suggested from CEBM research was a more reasonable amount of replications to determine who was actually infectious to others.

I worked it out thus, The ratio of 2^24 and 2^40 is 2^16 or 1:65,536.
Does this mean that out of 65,536 positive tests recorded only 1 is likely to be infectious?
Clearly this is simplistic becase it assumes a linear relationship over the spread of Ct’s. The actual distribution of Ct’s amongst the tests is not published therefore I cannot draw any firm conclusions.

But in my reading today I came across a NYT article from 2 days ago which addresses this issue in part. See link.

Some take outs are;

Any test with a cycle threshold above 35 is too sensitive, agreed Juliet Morrison, a virologist at the University of California, Riverside. “I’m shocked that people would think that 40 could represent a positive,” she said. A more reasonable cutoff would be 30 to 35, she added. Dr. Mina said he would set the figure at 30, or even less. Those changes would mean the amount of genetic material in a patient’s sample would have to be 100-fold to 1,000-fold that of the current standard for the test to return a positive result — at least, one worth acting on.

The C.D.C.’s own calculations suggest that it is extremely difficult to detect any live virus in a sample above a threshold of 33 cycles. Officials at some state labs said the C.D.C. had not asked them to note threshold values or to share them with contact-tracing organizations.

The Food and Drug Administration said in an emailed statement that it does not specify the cycle threshold ranges used to determine who is positive, and that “commercial manufacturers and laboratories set their own.”

This is beyond serious. The labs themselves determine who is a positive infectious case and this information feeds into government decision making which affects millions of lives. In other words commercial money making organisations with an obvious interest in expanding and extending testing programmes make the decision about who should be quarantined along with their families and contacts. Ouch!

Until we get definitive evidence of what the cycle thresholds for infectivity are, we can now see that somewhere between 100 and many thousands of positively tested people are not infectious yet they have been subjected to lockdowns and quarantines (along with their T&T contacts and families) which have demolished their livelihoods, removed their basic freedoms, caused mental health problems and suicides in the western world and have also led to perhaps millions or even billions of extra people in poverty and even starvation in the wider world.

Errors made by government agencies who have not recognised this are not excusable for lack of understanding. The agencies themselves or their political influencers are plainly criminal.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2020/03/guidance-and-sop-covid-19-virus-testing-in-nhs-laboratories-v1.pdf

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html

113246 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to BobT, 6, #43 of 1402 🔗

The NYT story was translated to German and disseminated by 1 major (small) news network only, NTV, in Germany.
The two most influential bedwetters and panic mongerers in Germany, Drosten and Lauterbach, supported its conclusions.
But since then: nothing.
No realization that the numbers are inflared or any hint of interpreting them differently, let alone of a policy
change.

113268 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to BobT, 17, #44 of 1402 🔗

This is what needs to be fed next to the useless meeja hacks. If they start questioning the sensitivity, then the government could be forced into creating a specification for the test. Then they hit a dead end of either specifying a clearly oversensitive test, or wiping out detected “cases” overnight. I hope this may be where Carl Heneghan takes us.

113121 richard riewer, 3, #45 of 1402 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKkC8nHYjQ
Ken Nordine, You’re getting better.

113142 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 24, #46 of 1402 🔗

From Toby’s lead article Mail commenters are overwhelmingly skeptic, not just the best/worst comments but most as they roll in and some are very well informed.

The reproduced bar chart, cases/deaths (or lack thereof), is clearer than those posted yesterday which I was able to show a number of people that the number of cases, that the BBC keep harping on about, has no comparison to nugatory quantity of deaths.

113634 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to karenovirus, 7, #47 of 1402 🔗

I’ve had rocky relationship with the Mail, getting angry at their clickbait nonsense for years, but there does appear to an emergence of some sort of challenge to the rest of the MSMs narrative at times, and its interesting to see that the majority of commenters are waking up too.

113146 Paul Mendelsohn, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, 16, #48 of 1402 🔗

When it becomes widely known that asymptomatic cases cannot infect others with any health-threatening viral load perhaps that will herald an end to this nonsense.

113151 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, 2, #49 of 1402 🔗

The problem with that is that these infections are still coming from somewhere. Much could be excessive PCR amplification and false positives, but it is still rattling on for far longer than it would do if infections weren’t happening at all.

113158 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Lucan Grey, 32, #50 of 1402 🔗

I don’t see the logic of that. False positives could explain precisely why it was ‘rattling on’. Forever. When amplifying nothing but noise, ‘surges’ and ‘spikes’ could be totally spurious.

But even if some infections are real, no one seems to have asked whether life is worth living unless we accept a small amount of risk.

113612 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #51 of 1402 🔗

Surely without symptoms, it’s a stretch to call the infections?
Let’s face it, we all carry candida but most of us don’t have thrush.

114133 ▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #52 of 1402 🔗

Not to mention Strep and Staff – one of the strep can mutate into the old flesh eating bug (remember that misery)

114547 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PreJennerAgain, replying to mhcp, #53 of 1402 🔗

Not such a good exmaple, streptococus is a bacterium. Principle does hold for plenty of mild viruses though, there are many viral families (in humans, other animals…) discovered in labs which are very widely present but symptomless and so never noticed until someone goes looking.

113254 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lucan Grey, 12, #54 of 1402 🔗

More likely to be fragments of previous coronavirus infections.

113266 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Lucan Grey, 25, #55 of 1402 🔗

So what,hardly anyone is dying.They are not sick.People are finally mixing after forced isolation.
This is what herd immunity looks like.

114549 ▶▶▶▶ PreJennerAgain, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #56 of 1402 🔗

I hope, that despite the best efforts of the locdown zealots, we have reached the herd immunity threshold, there are plausible suggestions it could be as low as 20%. Even if we aren’t at it, the closer we get to it the more contained any viral spread will naturally be. if we’d all followed Sweden we could have had this month earlier and with much less suffering along the way.

113270 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Lucan Grey, 28, #57 of 1402 🔗

Real life viruses generally don’t disappear. They aren’t computer viruses that are wiped out. The way humans deal with real life viruses is that the body learns to cope with it. There are literally trillions of viruses in our bodies.

If they tested for the influenza virus or the common cold virus with the same zeal as they do this new coronavirus, positive test results would be showing up everywhere.

113533 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to stewart, 4, #58 of 1402 🔗

It’s a good point that we’ve been become too accustomed to the ‘computer’ meaning of the word, and the real meaning is lost.

114097 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to kf99, 2, #59 of 1402 🔗

There is a similarity that is NOT recognised. A virus has no agency or ability to DO anything and must be ‘received’ and must fing the conditions to ‘run’ – including the conditions to ‘replicate’ or ‘mutate’ a variant replication. YOU are the operating system on which it runs.
Vaccination allows the introduction of ‘potential hacks’ or the presence of foreign antibodies or immune suppressing conditions that show up in the process of a normal respiratory disease episode.
If you have a better ‘real meaning’ for bits of RNA code in a protein wrapper that encapsulates and fits to receptor cells, then Make sure it isn’t just a grim fairy story before presuming it to be true.

The term virus is equated with pathogenic causation and assigned roles that are actually in living cells interacting with such ‘information’ packets.
Biologists are not limited to pathological witch-hunts and gold rushes and so have studied a symbiotic cellular intra and extra-cellular functions that are inherent to life function. Extracellular ‘viruses’ are called exosomes and are indistinguishable from presumed ‘pathogenic’ cellular debris or code-entities – that can be seen under the conditions of electron microscopy – that may well introduce artefacts as a result of its process.

No claim of causation was made by the study that ‘discovered’ a novel virus. This was explicitly stated. Firemen are also often found at the scene of fires. Eradicating firemen is not the answer to fires (or defunding the police).

But insofar as we have recognised various viruses that are associated with infection in ‘susceptible’ terrains, Stewart is spot on in saying we could be searching for and finding a range or viruses that are normally found in healthy people in some – oten time quantity – but nonetheless picked up by RT-PCR testing if you set the testing rameters to bring the results that are ‘consensually’ deemed to mean something significant.
Likewise funding to research climate need not be confined to the carbon dioxide as global warming hypothesis, But there is an underlying control agenda that sets the narrative and thus the frame of thought, funding and reaction. It is more than ‘political’ bias – but uses political identities to mask in. I see an existential fear in the ‘ruling establishment’ that uses immense resources to predict or control outcomes well in advance, and actions them in disciplined ways. But do they SEE us?

The abilty to define the code, and the testing and diagnostic parameters as well as regulate treatments as required standard of care, is all opaque and in this case apparently patented and protected. A computer software company can indeed ensure that all sorts of ‘back doors’ are open by design to ‘viruses’ or hidden code execution as part of its back end – while fronting itself as the road or tool to every kind of extended ability.

Inducing us to open new ‘powers’ that then entangle us in ways we are not adapted or in a position to counteract – because they own the systems we depend on and run them as a process of market capture (mindshare) and control rather than as a relational service.

If we do not want to be treated as lab rats we have to uncover what it is to be truly human. For the most part we are predictable, controllable conditioned-responses, being systemed by the reverse engineering or our own psychology. Polarised identities operate from a set of rules and conditions or programs.

And what’s behind the use of ‘bedwetting’ for an active agenda aimed at undermining civilisation as we knew it, operating through the mind-captured? Is that not also masking in virtue as a put-down of weakness seen in others? If they are weak – why not extend strength of solidarity in knowing the choices we are making, so as to be more able to make better ones?

When the Tower of Babel fell, no one could understand each other. Shaming and intimidating will not help. There may be no possibility of reaching another with information associated with deep fear and masking defence, but that doesn’t mean we cannot find some human commonality.

The willingness to extend love is the only means to hold the awareness of love in our consciousness. Masking in the forms of love is a sure way to generate a hollow sense of lack that is then open or susceptible to every kind of ‘hijacking’ thought, because what we react from, is accepted true and made real BY REACTION.

Reaching someone IN reaction is difficult as they are fully engaged in emotionally invested drama that de-prioritises all else as irrelevant or obstructive to their sense of survival.

Crying wolf is a metaphor for how a community defence can be activated on a false basis. These people have done this more than three times and its still ‘works’ because each time they bring in more regulatory capture, more conditioning to the drills of lockstep, more conditioned acceptance of doublespeak and media obfuscations. (Less critical awareness).

114550 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PreJennerAgain, replying to Binra, #60 of 1402 🔗

I installed linux as a freedom respecting laternative to Windows on my PC when windows was too happy to get viruses and open itself up to control by sinister forces (remember microsoft’s GWX.exe virus?). Now how can I reinstall a freedom respecting alternative to government in my country?

114136 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to stewart, 2, #61 of 1402 🔗

It’s also a feature of Nature. Our bodies could completely destroy it but it’s inefficient. Better to keep a residual amount around as it exercises the immune system for free. Same with the bugs in your gut. We outsource a large part of the digestion process

113186 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, 20, #62 of 1402 🔗

There will be no end to it until a LOT of people speak out.

113599 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to RyanM, 4, #64 of 1402 🔗

There will be no end to it all, until Johnson and Hancock are charged with the murder of thousands of our fellow citizens. There also needs to be an international arrest warrant put out for Bill Gates.

113718 ▶▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Rowan, 2, #65 of 1402 🔗

Put a similar comment on John Redwoods Diary yesterday (in reply to Jeff’s comment – O/T and not fishing): – In business, many politicians, advisers, and media bosses would be on trial for gross negligence or Corporate Manslaughter. Johnson and Handcock should be on trial at the Hague for crimes against humanity.
Of course, it did not pass moderation, but at least Sir John gets to know what we really think.

114321 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to James Bertram, 1, #66 of 1402 🔗

Does he? I think it is categorised as ‘the usual nutters’ or ‘shouters’ or some such.

If you investigate the way of all this you will see that legal advice is part of all of it with regards to plausible deniability.

There is a closed ranks of insiders as to recognising the law cannot be allowed to open a can of worms that would open so many other cans of worms as to undermine what is left of a system. That might account for why shifting to another system is underway – but designed so as to lock us our from the outset.

113986 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Rowan, #67 of 1402 🔗

Interpol?

114551 ▶▶▶▶ PreJennerAgain, replying to Rowan, #68 of 1402 🔗

Life sentances for the proponents and supporters of lockdown, absolutely justified, I think they’d even enjoy it. But the Bill Gates matter, the only thing I can think he should be arrested for is the poor quaility of his windows OS and his GWX.exe malware (see my prior post)(and that might have been afetr he gave control of the M$ corporation to others by then anyway).

114313 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to RyanM, 2, #69 of 1402 🔗

It mutates to stay one step (or more) in front of the pack. IE: it doesn’t have to be a ‘viral’ threat, any funded and protected ‘threat’ can maintain the posture of alert and the coopting of civil defences to regulatory constraints.

Fear-threat can be flagged to ‘whatever’ but underneath involves more pervasive fear – such a fear of death, fear of rejection and exclusion, fear of imprisonment and denial or deprivation, fear of pain and fear of insanity. Also the ‘fear of the unknown’ – so called – can trump all of these – such that any of the others can become a form of escape to a lesser evil.

Whatever is Really Going On is bring fear closer to the surface of our conscious awareness. Whatever our rational views on statistics and risks – we meet the cognitive dissonance of many we know and love and it disturbs us – does it not?

113355 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, #70 of 1402 🔗

It might be too late by then.

114546 ▶▶ PreJennerAgain, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, #71 of 1402 🔗

I think we could end up with [b]variolation[/b] coming back if we can’t get an actual vaccine. In variolation one is immunised by being exposed to doses of the live virus small enough to result only in very mild infection, but one gets immunity nonetheless. That was very hard to achieve for smallpox, often the variolation dose for that serious virus was overdone and major harm resulted, so vaccination turned out to be much easier and safer for dealing with smallpox, but if the initial viral load explanations for why some people get milder or worse cases keep going the way they look to be going then it seems that for covid variolation could be a comparatiely VERY easy and safe process (are ready sooner than a vaccine). I’m not sure whether we really need to eradicate covid, it was a pretty mild disease really and seems to be naturally on its way out, but kicking the ass of that pesky bit of encapsulated RNA could be mildly satisfying (not so fun as eradicating totalitarianism though). I don’t think one can vaccinate or variolate against cases of Kim-Jong-Dan-ism, but perhaps the locals can organise, and via less snoopable channels than facebook.

113150 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 46, #72 of 1402 🔗

The picture of that school assembly and description of the tyrannical new regime is just beyond sad.

113245 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to karenovirus, 22, #73 of 1402 🔗

Child abuse.

113269 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to PastImperfect, 15, #74 of 1402 🔗

Absolutely. If these were my children, I would be battering down the headteacher’s door.

113292 ▶▶▶▶ PWL, replying to Yawnyaman, 9, #75 of 1402 🔗

Why would you even send your child into it? I don’t understand you people.

113330 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 24, #76 of 1402 🔗

What is happening in these schools is so wrong. Why nobody is standing up to this madness is incredible. Mass non compliance is what is needed. Massive protest. How can any parent or teacher or “learner” think this is a good idea to have these totally insane anti-human policies in place.

However it says a lot about WHY we are here in this disaster now. Schools have been getting more and more authoritarian for a long time, over-reaching their remit on how they can exert their control on pupils and their families and what they seek to control. Extending their control out of school and into the family and the wider “community”.

Through schools the state is seeking to have total control over everybody who has children too. The “named person” is a classic example of this over-reach.

Sadly due to the way society has been shaped over the last 20 years it would seem people have been so cowed, de-moralised, so down trodden and dis-empowered, so divided and psychologically positioned that they will just blindly accept these dreadful impositions on their liberty with no push back at all.

Where this has lead us is here, now. Total acquiescence to authority.

It’s been a work in progress for the state and they have really excelled them selves. Even North Korea looks like a nice free society now.

The brainwashed lobotomised UK population is just fine with that.

113606 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Two-Six, 8, #77 of 1402 🔗

They’ll be fine with it all the way to the slaughterhouses, which will be euphemistically labelled vaccination clinics.

113987 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Rowan, 4, #78 of 1402 🔗

The sausage grinding scene in ‘The Wall’ immediately springs to mind.

113827 ▶▶▶ Elena, replying to Two-Six, 4, #79 of 1402 🔗

You know what I’m doing? I’ve got a secondary school at the end of my road. I’m putting stickers on the way to try and get them thinking. Not much but we weren’t many at the beginning of this, and look at us now

114058 ▶▶▶ Adam Robson, replying to Two-Six, 7, #80 of 1402 🔗

I’m the parent from Merseyside. I agree that the schools have been over reaching and becoming more authoritarian for years. Lockdown has been eye opening as I’ve got to see what they’ve been “learning”. Last year they had to write an essay in history about why Prof Nial Ferguson is an apologist for white supremacy.

114376 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Adam Robson, 3, #81 of 1402 🔗

Not to be confused with Niel Ferguson supposed epidemic guru but really fraudster.

114539 ▶▶▶▶ nightspore, replying to Adam Robson, 1, #82 of 1402 🔗

That’s a lot worse than making them wear masks. Seriously – how long will it take for them to unlearn that sort of indoctrination? And how many will?

114538 ▶▶▶ nightspore, replying to Two-Six, #83 of 1402 🔗

You’re pushing it a bit with your North Korean comparison. (Get a grip – and take a look at a book called Escape from Camp 14.)

114014 ▶▶ Suzyv, replying to karenovirus, 9, #84 of 1402 🔗

I got stuck in a traffic jam in central Lewes today, a small town in East Sussex. A line of young school kids walked past me. They only looked like 10 year olds at the most. Obviously on some kind of school trip walking along the pavement, a teacher in the lead. Every single one in a mask, heads down marching along. I wanted to wind down my window and shout at the teacher “child abuse” but didn’t. Didn’t want to scare the poor kids. And this is outside on a pavement.

114386 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Suzyv, 1, #85 of 1402 🔗

They only start to go back around here tomorrow (Friday) so I expect to see similar scenes then. I’ve shown that Assembly pic from Toby’s piece to parents and non parents, the horrified reaction is the same.

114017 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to karenovirus, 8, #86 of 1402 🔗

It is downright scary that this is happening in the UK today.

114537 ▶▶ nightspore, replying to karenovirus, 1, #87 of 1402 🔗

Today when I was out walking I passed a throng of young students (mid-teens I would guess) – all wearing masks. (This wasn’t the UK, BTW.)

113155 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 2, #88 of 1402 🔗

On a lighter note, Wednesday ITV, Phillip Schofield & Holly Willoughby demonstrated how to smooch in the New Normal way.
From either side of a polythene blanket with handy ‘arms’ of the sort used to handle uranium.

h/t youtuber Carl Vernon

not to be confused with Vernon Coleman.
Perhaps someone more skilled than I could post the link.

113179 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to 2 pence, #90 of 1402 🔗

Thank you 2 pence

113214 ▶▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to karenovirus, 3, #91 of 1402 🔗

To post a video link here, right-click on the video and choose “Copy video URL”, which copies the link to your clipboard. Then use Ctrl-V (Cmd-V on a Mac) to add the link to your comment.

/geekmode off

113225 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Simon Dutton, #92 of 1402 🔗

Thanks but I’m Android only.

113366 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to karenovirus, 1, #93 of 1402 🔗

high light the link – ctrl C to copy – ctrl V to paste

113172 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to karenovirus, 21, #94 of 1402 🔗

It’s not a lighter note. I could only watch two seconds of those masked fools, before I switched off, sick to my stomach. Those two are collaborators.

Nothing is forgotten. Nothing.

113184 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #95 of 1402 🔗

I thought they might have been mocking the whole foolish charade, somewhat like time I got my unnecessary line manager to present a report to the Board stating that 32% of our customers were ‘adequately facilitated’.

113200 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to karenovirus, 9, #96 of 1402 🔗

I hope so. I literally couldn’t watch past those masks in the opening scene. I think I’m developing a phobia of masks (which I’ve just learned is called , boringly, Maskaphobia).

114020 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #97 of 1402 🔗

I know I am.

114431 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #98 of 1402 🔗

I have developed Muzzleitis from constantly having to look away from the face-less hordes…pains in my neck and tension headaches

113265 ▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to karenovirus, 6, #99 of 1402 🔗

The only thing those clowns were mocking is us the general public , they are to stupid and full of their own self importance to realise they have become an irrelevance

113323 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to tonyspurs, 4, #100 of 1402 🔗

I don’t watch TV ever and came across that vid because I sub Carl Vernon.

The whole thing looked so absurd that I assumed they were being ironic but it seems from comments from you and others that this is their usual form.

I stand corrected.

113233 ▶▶▶ Alison9, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #101 of 1402 🔗

For a brief moment there I thought you were accusing Vernon Coleman and Carl Vernon of being collaborators!

114303 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #102 of 1402 🔗

Never forget.

113338 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 6, #103 of 1402 🔗

This “episode” of GMB with Freeky Phil and that other decorative idiot really does highlight how main stream media is absolute POISON. It goes without saying that I haven’t watched rubbish like this for the last 20 years.

It’s beyond me why people watch this crap.

However sadly many people lap it up. WHY?

113738 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, 2, #104 of 1402 🔗

Lowest common denominator fodder.

“Bad taste is popular” (Pevsner)

113157 richard riewer, 15, #105 of 1402 🔗

Bill Gates sais that he talks with Dr Fauci all the time. Hmm?

113159 Lisa from Toronto, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 9, #106 of 1402 🔗

Sex in the new “abnormal.” Sounds like great fun, eh?

Canada’s top doctor shares guidance on sexual interactions during the pandemic
In a statement released on Wednesday, Dr. Theresa Tam, Canada’s chief public health officer, admitted that “sex can be complicated in the time of COVID-19,” particularly when ones sexual partner is not in the same household.

“If you choose to engage in an in-person sexual encounter with someone outside of your household or close contacts bubble, there are some steps you can take to reduce your risk,” the statement reads. “The most important step is to establish a trusting relationship with your sexual partner.”

Dr. Tam outlined a number of rules to follow, which include monitoring yourself for symptoms before engaging in sexual activity, “skipping kissing” and avoiding closeness, and the considering wearing a mask that covers the nose and mouth.

113161 ▶▶ BobT, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 15, #107 of 1402 🔗

Sorry girls, no cunnilingus anymore. kissing and foreplay gone. At least if you are in different households you can get your own rocks off.
What planet are these people on?

113166 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to BobT, 15, #108 of 1402 🔗

“Current evidence indicates there is a very low likelihood of contracting the novel coronavirus through semen or vaginal fluids,” Dr. Tam said in the statement.

I’ll take that to mean oral sex is still OK! If I didn’t laugh, I’d cry. When is this shit going to end???

113170 ▶▶▶▶ BobT, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 13, #109 of 1402 🔗

No, semen and vaginal fluids are OK but not kissing or anything else in the new normal.
You need to watch the Handmaids Tale to understand.

113319 ▶▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 9, #110 of 1402 🔗

Yes, let’s laugh. Surely NOBODY can be taking this kind of thing seriously. Let’s laugh until our solar plexuses hurt and we fall over helplessly and lie prone on the carpet drumming our feet and weeping with mirth.

113743 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Alethea, 3, #111 of 1402 🔗

Let’s all do it outside Downing Street …..

114552 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PreJennerAgain, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #112 of 1402 🔗

The most disturbing thing is that it seems the only cazy demsonstration outside Donwing Street ever to get listened to was when in March a bunch of moron showed up in mock HazMat suits with demands of “shut down the country”, a few days later the idiot in chief actually did it.

113162 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 4, #113 of 1402 🔗

She is a piece of work no doubt. I’ll surely continue to seek out government advice on all my other human needs and bodily functions. I wonder, are there gov’t guidelines for dropping a deuce safely in Canada?

113167 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Eddie, 9, #114 of 1402 🔗

You do know that the toilet water “plume” is dangerous, right? This is why public washrooms are such a public health hazard and every other public toilet is blocked off. So yes, there are government guidelines for everything now.

113352 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Eddie, 4, #115 of 1402 🔗

It’s fine to drop a “Douglass Hurd” as long as you wear a mask and gloves, obviously.

113181 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 5, #116 of 1402 🔗

I gather that skintight lycra all-body suits are popular in certain circles.

While we are on the subject
“To offer close contact services such as facials…”
would not have been considered polite conversation at my parents dining table.

113294 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 8, #117 of 1402 🔗

I can’t helps seeing a pattern.

Countries and regions which have strong Chinese ties and influence seem to be more extreme in their corona response.

Most east Asian countries are implementing very hard zero case policies. And the “Anglosphere” areas that seem most committed to this – Australia, Canada, California are all areas with very very strong Chinese links.

Just an observation.

114308 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stewart, 2, #118 of 1402 🔗

How much money does Black Lives Matter have? It looks like a lot.

114541 ▶▶▶▶ nightspore, replying to richard riewer, #119 of 1402 🔗

On the American side it’s tens of millions at least. (See Accuracy in Media’s Roots of Black Lives Matters, 2016 I think.)

114553 ▶▶▶ PreJennerAgain, replying to stewart, 1, #120 of 1402 🔗

China has had twitter bots making up comments in supprot of lockdownist leaders, they’ve been especially vocal in standing with Kim Jong Dan (one wonders if Chinese bots might be his ONLY supporters). it is plausible that they saw a mild virus crossing to humans in Wuhan and thought, “right, we’ll have a heavily reported panic about this in the city where it starts, scare the west and get them to destroy their economoies in the process”. Note that throughout the rest of China the spread has, to my knowledge, been largely downplayed and ignored, China couldn’t take the economic cost of staging the panic response anyweher except one province (and didn’t need any wider a stage to get the west falling in to the trap).

113350 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #121 of 1402 🔗

This advice isn’t going to affect the birth rate at all is it.
(Which is already at a level where there aren’t enough people having children to replace those that are dying in almost ALL Western Countries).

113750 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, 4, #122 of 1402 🔗

Genetic selection – the intelligent ones are so busy paying off student loans, establishing careers and trying to put a decent roof over their heads, that they leave procreation till last.
They often work long hours, have long commutes and are pretty tired by the end of the day …..

113740 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 5, #123 of 1402 🔗

There is definitely something non-human about chief public health officers!

113168 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 12, #124 of 1402 🔗

The problem with fast-tracking vaccines
It can have disastrous effects – even if the jabs work PART 2

The decision made its way through various levels of government bureaucracy and ultimately landed on the desk of President Gerald Ford. He was soon persuaded by those who favoured an immediate effort to vaccinate every man, woman and child. Flanked by the discoverers of the polio vaccine, Ford recalled the 1918 pandemic. ‘Some older Americans today will remember that 548,000 people died in this country during that tragic period,’ he said. ‘Let me state clearly at this time: no one knows exactly how serious this threat could be. Nevertheless, we cannot afford to take a chance with the health of our nation.’
The public health experts who had advised a more cautious approach did not do so for want of an effective vaccine. They did so because of the backlash that might occur when millions of people received it. Dr Hans Neumann from the New Haven Department of Health noted that, based on the projected scale of the immunisations, about 2,300 people would have a stroke within two days of getting a flu shot and 7,000 would have a heart attack. ‘Why?’ he asked. ‘Because that is the number statistically expected, flu shots or no flu shots.’ Likewise, in the week following, about 9,000 people would catch pneumonia and 900 would die — not as a consequence of the vaccine, but because those are the normal numbers every week. But the public would blame the vaccine.
It wasn’t long before Neumann’s fears were realised. Three elderly nursing home patients who received their vaccine died on the same day. There was a media frenzy, with one paper claiming the vaccine had been used as a weapon to kill the head of a crime family.
Ford tried to reassure the public by getting his flu shot on television. It made no difference. A rare neurological disease was then mistakenly linked to the vaccine, and the CDC had had enough. In December it halted the vaccination programme. Recriminations followed. The New York Time s called it a ‘sorry debacle’. The head of the CDC was forced to resign. And this being America, lawsuits followed. Within four years 3,900 claims had been filed, seeking more than $3.5 billion in compensation.
Inoculating millions of people with a hastily developed Covid vaccine carries the same likelihood of public misunderstanding, even if — and this is the really sad part — the vaccine works and is safe. The 1976 fiasco shows the concerns people can have about a new vaccine. In a global pandemic, as countries compete to be the first to beat the virus, a misstep in the vaccine process could set back public trust and return us to what happened with swine flu in the 1970s.
‘Warp speed ahead!’ was a command from Captain Kirk on the bridge of the Enterprise. His engineer, the indomitable Scotty, would often warn him that the engines just couldnae take it. In our time of crisis and opportunity, we need both a vision to boldly go and a steady voice reminding us that sometimes slower is better.
WRITTEN BY
Jeremy Brown

113169 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #125 of 1402 🔗

Jeremy Brown
The problem with fast-tracking vaccines PART 1
It can have disastrous effects – even if the jabs work
From magazine issue: 5 September 2020

Y ou have to admit it, Operation Warp Speed is a good moniker. It’s the name for the American interagency programme, initiated by the Trump administration, to produce 300 million doses of a safe vaccine for Covid-19 by January. Who couldn’t get behind this all-hands national effort to defeat the virus and end the pandemic, excitingly named after the faster-than-light space travel in Star Trek ? While we wait for clinical trials led by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca in the UK, America warps ahead.
Warp speed allows the Starship Enterprise to put aside the laws of physics. Vaccine development also has its own laws, or rather guides, that describe the way things usually happen. There are the four to six years of academic and lab research, followed by perhaps another three to five of human trials. These culminate in a Phase Three trial when the candidate vaccine is tested on thousands of people. Add several more years to gain approval from regulatory authorities and to build manufacturing plants, and you have a process that can easily last well over a decade. It took 14 years to create a vaccine for influenza; 20 years for polio. And then there is this: more than 90 per cent of vaccines fail to make it through all these stages.
So in the race for a Covid vaccine, wouldn’t a little warp speed be helpful? Regulatory authorities like the US Food and Drug Administration could streamline their processes without compromising on safety. Factories could be built before the final results are known, in the hope that at least one candidate vaccine will be successful and can then be immediately manufactured. There may already be some natural speeding up because of the vast number of scientists working on a vaccine across the globe, as well as genetic slicing-and-dicing techniques unimaginable a few decades ago.
Vaccines not only need to be safe. They also need to be shown to be safe
But some steps in the procedure cannot be warped. We will need to complete early studies with dozens or hundreds of volunteers, and then proceed to larger trials involving thousands. We will need time to monitor for unexpected side effects that may show up months or years after vaccination — and it is neither possible nor advisable to rush this. Vaccines not only need to be safe. They also need to be shown to be safe.
It is worth remembering the dangers of another fast mass vaccination programme in a time of pandemic panic. In February 1976, an army recruit at Fort Dix, New Jersey died just a few hours after developing the symptoms of a flu-like illness. It took two weeks for the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) to identify the culprit: a strain of pig influenza. Just as in the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, the virus had leapt from one species to another, swapping its genome and developing into a new strain. And, again like the 1918 influenza virus, it was an H1N1 type. An old enemy with new weapons.
Yet the recruit at Fort Dix had been nowhere near any swine, which meant the country was facing a novel virus with the ability to be transmitted from person to person. It was a pandemic champing at the bit. Some government advisers suggested ramping up a massive programme using a flu vaccine that had already been developed. Edwin Kilbourne, a virologist at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, wanted it to begin immediately. ‘Better a vaccine without an epidemic,’ he wrote, ‘than an epidemic without a vaccine.’ Others advised caution. There had been only one death, vaccination programmes are costly, and the public’s reaction was uncertain.

113187 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #126 of 1402 🔗

Very interesting article but with the press putting a halt to the vaccine programme rather than hysterically demanding it.

At least one stage of the testing can be speeded up as hoards of mask zealots demand to be given the thing.

113642 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 5, #127 of 1402 🔗

The rushed swine flu vaccine of 2009/10 was found to be dangerous and quietly it had to be totally withdrawn. The difference between now and 1976 is that Bill Gates, eugenicist and advocate of global depopulation, wasn’t running the show. A vaccine from Bill, no thank you.

113173 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 27, #128 of 1402 🔗

I have been watching some footage from Australia. It’s Nazi Germany revisited. A policeman strangling a woman resisting arrest then throwing her down on the pavement. That’s terrorism, sanctioned by the government. What the fuck is going on?

113174 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to richard riewer, 4, #129 of 1402 🔗

‘It’s fear-mongering’: Pregnant woman arrested over anti-lockdown FB post speaks out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKSLeIhYmUU

113796 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #130 of 1402 🔗

“I’m too scared to protest now”

113185 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to richard riewer, 7, #131 of 1402 🔗

Why is it only one state in Oz – Victoria? What is the attitude of the other states? What is the difference politically between Victoria and the other states? I didn’t realise each state was semi-autonomous, like the US states.

Out of interest, can anyone here give a summary on the political situation in Australia, before and during this ‘crisis’?

113195 ▶▶▶ Sally, replying to Mr Dee, 11, #132 of 1402 🔗

Each of the states has to some extent gone its own way. Western Australia has closed its border to all other parts of the country. Victorians cannot currently travel to other parts of Australia. The other states all have varying travel restrictions and quarantines vis a vis other parts of the country.

Victoria is where nearly all the virus action is. New South Wales has a slow trickle of cases – about 20 new cases a day – and after an initial lockdown is now trying to avoid more lockdowns by doing contact tracing, closing specific venues and schools when cases are found etc as well as continuing restrictions on gathering sizes and household isolation of cases. NSW have seen the economic damage in Victoria (as well as their own state) and are trying to keep normal life going. The rest of Australia hasn’t had many cases at all and presumably will have to go through a surge at some point. Hopefully the rest of the states will avoid the appalling drastic actions taken by Victoria.

The Federal government is trying to get the states to remove their internal travel restrictions. It is reducing the generous benefit and wage subsidies at the end of the month because of the astronomical cost. There are no immediate plans to open international borders, but we can’t stay closed forever. Qantas doesn’t plan resuming international flights until at least mid-2021.

113199 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Sally, 3, #133 of 1402 🔗

Cheers Sally.

What is it about Victoria (politically, socially, or whatever) that makes its reaction so radically different from New South Wales, do you think?

Glad that New South Wales is reacting a bit more sensibly (I’ve got distant relatives there).

113215 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sally, replying to Mr Dee, 12, #134 of 1402 🔗

Victoria has a Labor (left) government, NSW Liberal (conservative, or nominally so). But I think the main reason is just timing. Both Victoria and NSW initially had lockdowns; Victoria’s was slightly stricter, but not much. Victoria just happened to have a fresh surge of cases first and they reacted with a second, tougher lockdown. Had that surge occurred in NSW and not Victoria NSW could well have done what Victoria is now doing. But as things turned out, NSW and other parts of Australia are witnessing the economic problems resulting from Victoria’s response and hopefully the other states will follow NSW’s more moderate approach when cases resume (which must be inevitable).

Maybe there’s a personality factor, too. The Victorian state Premier is an arrogant and probably corrupt man who clearly enjoys wielding power. The NSW Premier seems to be a more moderate person, although I don’t know a great deal about her.

113657 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Sally, 5, #135 of 1402 🔗

“The Victorian state Premier is an arrogant and probably corrupt man”

He’s  likely a  friend of Bill Gates.

113422 ▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Sally, 4, #136 of 1402 🔗

For the first time in a long, long time Channel 7 news tonight didn’t headline with Coronavirus numbers or stories. Even the rhetoric from the NSW premier sounded more positive. She had a polite conversation with the QLD premier today about opening the border. Anastacia won’t budge though, her health adviser stating until NSW has ‘zero cases over a 28 day period’ opening the border won’t be considered.

113271 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mr Dee, 6, #137 of 1402 🔗

They are inducing fear and seeing how far they can go.

113575 ▶▶ Basics, replying to richard riewer, 2, #138 of 1402 🔗

It feels as though each country is it’s own study into human lockdown oppression behaviours.

Genuine question, why isn’t the UK seeing identical treatment as Victoria/Austraila?

113644 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Basics, 3, #139 of 1402 🔗

Different things are being tried in different countries. Those things that work best will become universal. We are, almost needless to say, in very deep trouble. We are now entering a time of rapid depopulation and vaccines will the main tools that will bring this about.

114400 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Rowan, 1, #140 of 1402 🔗

They are all using the same stencil, just for some it slipped a bit.

114554 ▶▶▶▶ PreJennerAgain, replying to Rowan, #141 of 1402 🔗

Any evil conspirator who is taking over the world does NOT have giving out a vaccine as his end game. Vaccines work mostly, sometimes don’t and very ocasionally cause some side-effects. They are not some magic super-weapon against humanity. Anyone with an evil conspiracy in the works is going to be a lot more inetrested in contact tracing, lockdowns and cashless payments. Such a conspirator need only get rid of cash and then fiddle with accounts so as to starve a large proportion of the population to achieve depopulation. I have no fear of any vaccine that gets produced for covid, it might even work, if one is ever produced. What I worry about is what sort of administrative effort might use the vaccine as a cover “we need to know who you are and where you are at all times because we wouldn’t want to waste any vaccine by giving it to you twice”/ “we are vaccinating town by town, so we can be sure it has been given to everyone no-one may travel until your town has had it, your town is in the queue for a V day 3 decades hence”.

113176 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 5, #142 of 1402 🔗

It appears that the Australian media backs Black Lives Matter and all that other bullshit. Who is funding these media outlets? It has to be people with deep pockets because this is happening all over the world simultaneously. George Soros?

113183 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to richard riewer, 5, #143 of 1402 🔗

Liberal funders such as George Soros , Rob McKay, and other Democracy Alliance donors have given millions of dollars to groups associated with the movement, which have in total raked in over $133 million. [14]

  1. See Richardson, Valerie. “Black Lives Matter cashes in with $100 million from liberal foundations.” The Washington Times. August 16, 2016. Accessed August 31, 2017. and Vogel, Kenneth And Wheaton, Sarah. “Major donors consider funding Black Lives Matter.” Nov. 13, 2015. Accessed Sept. 5, 2017. http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/major-donors-consider-funding-black-lives-matter-215814&nbsp ; ^

Source:

https://www.influencewatch.org/movement/black-lives-matter/

113551 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Mr Dee, #144 of 1402 🔗

33… $133

113999 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mr Dee, #145 of 1402 🔗

Thanks, Mr. Dee.

113477 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to richard riewer, 13, #146 of 1402 🔗

Interestingly in Melbourne before Dan the Man imposed the state of emergency imprisonment of citizens, a black lives matter protest went ahead. Organisers were fined but no demonstrators were arrested or fined. Pregnant women who post on facebook anti lockdown gatherings must pose more of a dangerous threat. How people are not rioting outside parliament over this hypocrisy blows my mind.

113177 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 9, #147 of 1402 🔗

However, we do have a big clue via a YouGov poll in May which revealed that 61 per cent of Conservative voters supported the first moves to lifting lockdown, compared with only 32 per cent of Labour voters.

Ross Clark

113180 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 17, #148 of 1402 🔗

393 reported Covid deaths in Europe yesterday
Population: 741.4 million

SOURCE worldometers

113182 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 14, #149 of 1402 🔗

Piers Corbyn, the elder brother of Jeremy Corbyn, the former leader of the Labour party, was given a penalty without trial of £10,000 for his part in organising a rally in Trafalgar Square calling for the repeal of the Coronavirus Act, passed in March, which gave the government sweeping powers.

The £10,000 penalty was imposed under a statutory instrument, not passed by parliament, but brought into force on 28 August by the Health Secretary . Two organisers of a rave in West Glamorgan, attended by about 3,000 people, were also given fixed penalty notices for £10,000.

In other words the night before the protest

Source – Spectator

113188 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #150 of 1402 🔗

Was the new ‘law’ presented to a grateful nation on twatter?

113193 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #151 of 1402 🔗

Has Jeremy said anything publicly about all this?

113564 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 12, #152 of 1402 🔗

Piers and the othe london organisors had been in conversation for weeks with the Met Police to organise the meeting. It was organised with full knowledge of the police. Piers has said that the arresting police officers were an entirely different group of police. This is a operational device the police are said to have used in other circumstances.

Build trust by liasing genuine police with the public then switcheroo to a different team to do the dirty.

113778 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Basics, 3, #153 of 1402 🔗

Reminds me of what the Chinese did at Tienanmen Square – brought in troops from other parts of China who would be less reluctant to fire on Beijing citizens.

114406 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Edward, #154 of 1402 🔗

Which is how Franco held onto power in Spain for decades, the Guarda Civil were always stationed away from their home region.

113819 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, 4, #155 of 1402 🔗

The go-ahead was negotiated well before the suspiciously last-minute SI.

Wankock is enjoying these last minute destruction tactics far too much!

114008 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #156 of 1402 🔗

Wancock will soon be eating crow, along with some humble pie. Hopefully in a jail cell.

114004 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basics, 2, #157 of 1402 🔗

Yep, that’s what Piers Corbyn said on Richie Allen yesterday. The old switcheroo. Basically, they would look all of us to do the dirty to keep their hands clean. Like Pontius Pilate.

114007 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #158 of 1402 🔗

Oops, typographical error.
Yep, that’s what Piers Corbyn said on Richie Allen yesterday. The old switcheroo. Basically, they would like (look) all of us to do the dirty to keep their hands clean. Like Pontius Pilate.

114413 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to richard riewer, 1, #159 of 1402 🔗

The human brain is a wonderful thing Richard, mine read ‘like’ the first time without noticing.

113191 Julian, replying to Julian, 1, #160 of 1402 🔗

Does anyone have a good place to get testing stats from? I used to get mine from here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing but it has not been updated for a few days. I’ve emailed them about that but no response yet.

113204 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Julian, 5, #161 of 1402 🔗

Absolutely No Idea! 77th Brigade?

113318 ▶▶ MRG, replying to Julian, 4, #162 of 1402 🔗

I’ve noticed the same: stops on 26 Aug at 186,500 as shown on the main webpage. Is it a ploy to stop us adding to our spreadsheets (well, mine) and checking the ratio of positives to tests?

113838 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MRG, 1, #163 of 1402 🔗

Current up to yesterday. The update at 4pm:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing

Yesterday:
186,500 tests UK
1,508 positive.

114314 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #164 of 1402 🔗

They’re just grasping at straws. They’re straw men for the global elite.

113828 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 1, #165 of 1402 🔗

Do you mean the area map? By the time it’s updated, it’s way out of date.
Goes up to the 29th at the moment: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=47574f7a6e454dc6a42c5f6912ed7076

Daily total numbers are here, but only area specific re whole local authority, rather than individual wards: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases

113879 ▶▶ MRG, replying to Julian, 1, #166 of 1402 🔗

Julian, I’ve noticed down the page a bit in
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing
regarding tests by Pillar, they’ve added the Scotland and Northern Ireland test numbers from 27 August, but not England and Wales.

113192 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 67, #167 of 1402 🔗

I have grown somewhat accustomed to extremely depressing stories posted every day on this website, but I must admit to being particularly strongly affected by the reprehensible and depraved treatments that are being meted out to children in schools and students at universities. It is probably a fair assumption that the UK and USA stories here are far from unique worldwide.

Given the wealth of evidence that exists regarding the virtually non-existent threat of this virus to young people, and that they are not transmitters, the damage that is being done to them is nothing short of a cold, calculated, deliberate act of psychopathy to bludgeon an entire generation into total submission with crude intimidation and terror tactics. They are trying to create the slave class of tomorrow.

The adults who are directly responsible for allowing this to happen – and I include in this parents who wilfully submit their children to these daily punishments without protest – are not worthy of being called human.

A society that treats its youngest generations in this way is literally Satanic. Hell on earth awaits all of us if this is not turned around.

113197 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Richard O, 26, #168 of 1402 🔗

With you there. I am horrified. Why is the country not up in arms about this? It’s despicable

113202 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Sophie123, 32, #169 of 1402 🔗

Totally agree. I am resolved more than ever to fight this head on. If anyone gets in my face about not wearing a mask I will give them both barrels, and then some.

We are in desperate trouble here. To support this, or to submit to any of it without protest, is an act of evil, and makes that person themselves evil.

113205 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Richard O, 25, #170 of 1402 🔗

I’ve already barrelled off two emails to my daughter’s drippy headteacher about proposed ‘safety’ arrangements.

I’m going to be Public Enemy No 1 on Monday when I take her to school for her first day…

113221 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Mr Dee, 29, #171 of 1402 🔗

About to do exactly the same. Mrs TJN and I are expected to wear muzzles when dropping our 4-year-old for her first day at school on Monday. The staff aren’t going to like us after receiving our views on that obscenity.

Makes me feel physically sick, literally.

113570 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to TJN, 15, #172 of 1402 🔗

Just drafted an appalling email to the headmaster – will wait on Mrs TJN’s view before sending.

It is an awful shame that our daughter has to start school under a cloud like this, but we’re not putting up with this shit.

113686 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to TJN, 6, #173 of 1402 🔗

Get it sent.

113801 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Rowan, 13, #174 of 1402 🔗

Mrs TJN has just gone over it and made it even stronger. They are going to hate us, but so what.

114116 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to TJN, 4, #175 of 1402 🔗

My Lord TJN,

Let them hate, so long as they fear.

114555 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PreJennerAgain, replying to RichardJames, 1, #176 of 1402 🔗

Unfortunately the coronanists love being in fear, their very pride is in showing that “my fear is stronegr than your fear”, “I’m more chicken about covid than you are”. The coronanists don’t need to be put in any more fear, they can make for themselves more than enough to wallow in. They need to be given an education, brought OUT of fear. In your encounters with zealots always remember that our victory condition is when they stop fearing the virus, not when they shit themselves in public (which I suspect some already do as a virtue signalling ritual). When they hate you, make sure you’ve worded things so they’ll build up a little hate for the fools that caued the lockdown too.

113302 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Mr Dee, 13, #177 of 1402 🔗

Let us know how it goes. If you get any serious push back, let us know on here. I’m sure the sceptic community will be more than happy to bombard her with emails telling her to back off.

113364 ▶▶▶ Cbird, replying to Mr Dee, 6, #178 of 1402 🔗

You’re not alone – here’s a mum from Twynham School speaking to Anna Brees

https://youtu.be/VSoItpGcSxI

113851 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cbird, 13, #179 of 1402 🔗

Here’s some useful advice from the comments:

…. please send the teachers a letter of liability for any adverse health affects caused by mask wearing for enforcing mask wearing on your child. This will be for respiratory problems, anxiety/ distress and facial rashes from using face masks and that they will personally held liable. I have done this for my son going to his primary school this term.

114013 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #180 of 1402 🔗

Good.

114112 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #181 of 1402 🔗

I shall be thinking of you and praying for your total metaphorical destruction of your daughter’s enemy.

113329 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richard O, 10, #182 of 1402 🔗

I’ve should that school assembly photo to three people this morning, all were equally horrified.
Perhaps more of this will make the worm turn.

114474 ▶▶ snippet, replying to Richard O, 2, #183 of 1402 🔗

Does anyone know what children’s charities are doing about this? This needs a series of Group Litigation Orders against the local authorities or academies, so that parents can join forces. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_Litigation_Order

114485 ▶▶ NappyFace, replying to Richard O, #184 of 1402 🔗

Well said.

113194 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #185 of 1402 🔗

The science behind masks is as flimsy as my see-through scarf
By
The Red Wall Rebel

https://conservativewoman.co.uk/the-science-behind-masks-is-as-flimsy-as-my-see-through-scarf/

113203 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 10, #186 of 1402 🔗

That was a great article. Thanks for sharing.

My favourite bit (for me, its pertinent to the 90s and early 2000s, when I dressed in full-on top-hat and tails Goth mode):

“I don’t object to wearing ridiculous things in public (as is obvious to anyone who’s seen pictures of me from the 1980s), I just object to wearing them for no reason.”

113284 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #187 of 1402 🔗

Most people seem to be happy generating a festering cesspool of pathogens right under their noses.

113713 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #188 of 1402 🔗

On the odd occasion I use a fizhog covering I use a very see-through hair scarfe – it’s as much use as anything else.

113854 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #189 of 1402 🔗

The psychology, however, is rock solid!

113196 Mr Dee, 2, #190 of 1402 🔗

FROM A TWO WEEK LOCKDOWN TO MANDATORY VACCINATION
https://www.bitchute.com/video/e7E0drlaIgZB/

113198 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 9, #191 of 1402 🔗

Child mortality A study of 260 hospitals revealed that just six under-19s had died of Covid-19, all of them with severe pre-existing conditions. What were the leading causes of death in the 1,633 children (aged 28 days to 15 years) who died in 2018?
Congenital abnormalities | 271
Cancer | 253
External causes (accidents, violence) | 170
Diseases of the nervous system | 134
Respiratory disease | 121
Circulatory disorders | 96
Endocrine, nutritional disorders | 92
Infectious and parasitic diseases | 82
Source: ONS

113325 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #192 of 1402 🔗

Not “died of Covid 19” It is “died with covid 10”
But otherwise a useful comparison to show context

113201 Mr Dee, 7, #193 of 1402 🔗

The Role of Masks in Pop Culture Many films and TV shows and even Broadway plays exploit the fear of masks. For example, the popular Halloween series focuses on a serial killer hidden behind a mask. The Phantom of the Opera explores the fate of a disfigured musical genius who wears a mask to conceal the horror.

These and other works both demonstrate the effects of maskaphobia and help to create it. After growing up with the images of stalking serial killers and disfigured anti-heroes lurking behind masks, is it any surprise that our brains naturally begin to wonder what is behind any mask that we see?”

https://www.verywellmind.com/maskaphobia-or-fear-of-masks-2671868

113206 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #194 of 1402 🔗

In regards to the Fourth Industrial Revolution, are we the, on this site, the New Luddites?

113241 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #195 of 1402 🔗

Its an interesting thought.

Were the Luddites awash in a sea of lies and oppression?

113881 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, 6, #196 of 1402 🔗

They were skilled artisans who saw their autonomy was being taken away, resulting in loss of quality of life for the profit of a few exploitative individuals.

Luddites were originally self-employed in successful family businesses, living in decent housing.
This was replaced by back-to-back slums and slave wages.

Rather like outsourcing our industry to China and being dependent on food banks …..

113684 ▶▶ ikaraki, replying to Mr Dee, #197 of 1402 🔗

Well my current favourite process is oxy-fuel cutting…

113870 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mr Dee, #198 of 1402 🔗

Probably – after all, the Luddites were right.

113207 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 31, #199 of 1402 🔗

Reading the updates about schools has led me to conclude that I’m glad I’m no longer of school age. The rules being implemented are draconian and in the case of universities akin to Dachau or Solzehnitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago.

I feel sorry for children whose mental health will take a battering and who will be paying for this for the rest of their lives and those at university. What should have been their first steps towards independence from the parental home has now been stymied and they’re treated like prisoners especially by the institutions who were supposed to help them take those first steps. I foresee a spike in suicides, drug and alcohol addiction.

We should never forgive nor forget this damage caused to our young. And I won’t blame them if they never forgive and forget their elders for their betrayal.

113222 ▶▶ Gillian, replying to Bart Simpson, 19, #200 of 1402 🔗

Yes. Never forget that today’s young adults and children will be the care home managers and carer workers who will be making sure that we are looked after and not left to die in pain and distress in our old age. Or maybe they won’t care because we didn’t care for them when they needed it most.

113250 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Gillian, 13, #201 of 1402 🔗

Exactly. That’s another thing today’s adults should be careful of, today’s students who will be the adults and tax payers of tomorrow can exact their revenge in hundreds of petty ways such as care homes and milking them for all their worth until the pips squeak.

Parents, teachers and those in charge of schools, colleges and universities – you have been warned.

113365 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #202 of 1402 🔗

Pre Covid I overheard a conversation between 3 young women embarking on a girlie weekend away. One told her friends
“Beth’s a bit upset but I did (…..) to calm her down. But when I went into Jacks room he just said I was in the way of his X Box, I said goodbye but he just said wotever didn’t even look up”.
This was greeted with uncertain titters
‘Boys will be boys Fran !’

I thought that’s Jack getting his psych back on you Fran for staring at your phone since he was born and not giving him the attention he deserved.

Dread to think where he will dump her when the time comes.

114207 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to karenovirus, 3, #203 of 1402 🔗

I was saddened to see a dear, wonderful young toddler pick up his mother’s phone and show the back of it to her. It suddenly dawned on me that he was trying to greet her in the way that he has been “greeted” all his little life, that is to say all he has ever known is people photographing him instead of talking to him or cuddling him. He thought that showing your phone to someone was the same as saying “Hello”.

Very sad indeed.

113288 ▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to Gillian, 9, #204 of 1402 🔗

Yes. Be nice to your children because one day they will choose your care home.

113347 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #205 of 1402 🔗

There has already been an increase in teenage suicide. Todays Local Live lead story is typical.

“Body found on beach is teenage boy, Police say the death is not suspicious”

Which is how suicides have been reported since March 23rd. They never use the S word but articles are often accompanied by an ad for The Samaritans.

114556 ▶▶▶ PreJennerAgain, replying to karenovirus, 1, #206 of 1402 🔗

I think it was one of the US states which gave honest statistics, five tiems as many deaths among the young to suicide as death among all to covid. Lockdown is MURDER.

113208 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 13, #207 of 1402 🔗

Lady in front of me at the newsagent. She has her Top pulled over her face and explains to the unmasked shop worker.

“My daughter starts high school today but she lost her mask so I lent her mine. . .”
Said shopworker smiled sympathetically

113468 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to karenovirus, 6, #208 of 1402 🔗

I remember losing mittens a lot as a kid (younger than 11, it has to be said). Presumably kids will have to keep their masks on strings, threaded through their shirts.

113629 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Andrew Fish, 3, #209 of 1402 🔗

Elasticated of course, but there wasn’t a lot of harm done swapping mittens if needs must.

113889 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 4, #210 of 1402 🔗

I wonder how many masks will be lost before the end of the week. Hopefully this nonsense will be impossible for schools to police and will rapidly evaporate.

114542 ▶▶ nightspore, replying to karenovirus, #211 of 1402 🔗

Isn’t it wonderful to see how people adapt …

113211 Albie, 5, #212 of 1402 🔗

Those 2 graphs in Will’s opening article would be ideal for placing next to each other on social media with no comment needed. They are easy to immediately read, not bogged down with statistical text that can be offputting to some, and will help the “undecided” who I feel form the majority, see there is no cause for concern, and people like Hancock who they see on the news are being alarmist.

113212 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 13, #213 of 1402 🔗

I think it is personally unfair to describe anyone ‘a crank’, using it as a blanket term to discredit anything they say. Cornyn has made valid arguments for leaving the EU, and frankly if last year someone had predicted the stae of affirs now, especially in schools, they would have been denounced as cranks.
I will also challenge the statement that the majority of people at the protest had disgusting views, since when was opposing the march of authoritarianism, ironically the point of this barrister’s argument, disgusting. If he is referring to the supposed flag, I think this may have been a stunt to discredit the rally, and seems to be doing the trick.

113213 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 1, #214 of 1402 🔗

Excuse the typos, need to check where the edit button is.

113216 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nsklent, 7, #215 of 1402 🔗

The smear campaign against the protests is as predictable as it is foolhardy.

All those who castigate anyone who questions the mainstream narrative will be finding out very soon that they were gravely mistaken. They will richly deserve hell on earth for the rest of their lives.

113290 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Richard O, #216 of 1402 🔗

.

113299 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Nsklent, 9, #217 of 1402 🔗

Corbyn did something valuable and forced the issue into a court. It’s called getting into the arena, and I don’t see the people who are now making a living out of reporting from an anti-lockdown position doing anything like it. You will note that Dolan, who is effectively doing something very similar to Corbyn, doesn’t treat him like this Judas goat media does.

The Trafalgar Square Turd

113217 Biker, replying to Biker, 18, #218 of 1402 🔗

I’m still waiting for the first wave. Don’t know about anyone else but i don’t believe their tests. How anyone can believe the results of these tests when it’s known that they show positive results for fruit and goats is beyond me. I used to think they were incompetent and this whole debacle is just them being as useless but i’ve changed my mind and i believe we are in the final stages of losing a war. The Queen is no longer Sovereign, Parliament is making it’s own laws and we the people are no longer under common law. All these people in Parliament want to check themselves because as it stands they are traitors and deserve a spell in the tower. Smiling tits like Hancock and Al Johnston’s Billy Bunter routine aren’t fooling me.
We all spend each day posting here hoping for a sign that things will get better and we’ll be “allowed” to go back to normal life but they’re not gonna “allow” that. I do believe we will have to take back Parliament by force. I do believe that there will be real blood spilled on the streets of this country. It will be the blood of people like me just looking for a quiet life. It won’t be the vile leftists who protest against things that aren’t so. Wankers like BLM won’t help because they’re fake rebels reeling against their imagination. No it will be your shop worker, you engineer, your pissed off conservative. One of the reasons i despise the leftie on this site, we all know who they are, is because these cunts have been fake rebels all their days and when the time comes to actually put yourself on the line these cowards are bleating on about tories or homos’ or complaining blacks, anything it seems but the real fucking problem. They do this because they are utterly braindead and refuse to accept that we all must live as individuals with very little government. So anyone looking for a way out of this, they’re ain’t one, not without a civil war.

113234 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Biker, 17, #219 of 1402 🔗

You mention parliament makiñg its own laws, trouble is this is what isn’t happening. Thanks to the coronavirus bill, government , the likes of Hancock et al, are passing diktats without parliamentary scrutiny, and making them laws are far as by definition they can be enforced by the police.
But where are our MPs, sat hiding on zoom, dare not criticise for fear of losing their precious job. I emailed my MP 7 times with no response over the first 4 months of this, had to print off the emails and send them by registered post, with the cut up membership card before I got a response. He then asked me to provide any evidence I had contradicting the efficacy of masks. I actually think he wasn’t aware there was evidence discrediting the mask argument. Which brings me to the point of saturating our MPs with emails etc., demanding their lack of intervention and calling our government to account regarding the growing authoritarianism, in particular removing this coronavirus bill, when it comes up for review in September. Funny enough, whenever I make this last statement in the DT comments, it gets deleted.

113257 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Nsklent, 18, #220 of 1402 🔗

We live in a dictatorship. Where are the people in parliament standing up and saying this is illegal? They are all in it together. The deep state is everyfuckignwhere. Boris has assumed the role of King and the Queens in the social justice lefty parties have open up their asses and let Boris shoot his muck into them. Every lefty tool out there now is a supporter of a dictatorship, every wanker who supports masks and lockdowns and the abuse of our children must be stopped. I look forward to it. I hope it will be like some kind of 80’s film and i can be John Rambo

113303 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Biker, 7, #221 of 1402 🔗

This left-right/tory-labour divide is counter-productive. We need to fight this totalitarian ‘government’ together’.
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10221505113230817&set=g.190135865737618

114557 ▶▶▶▶▶ PreJennerAgain, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #222 of 1402 🔗

Cannot agree more with your statement. (Don’t know what the F***book link said thugh, I don’t touch SuckerBorg’s site with a barge pole).

113492 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Biker, 2, #223 of 1402 🔗

On the subject of the Queen – not seen or heard from her at all and read rumours that she has been somehow officially ‘usurped’? is this true?

113494 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Carrie, 2, #224 of 1402 🔗

Yes until there is a vaccine the Queen will NOT be seen in public. That was an official statement from The Reptile House

113531 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Two-Six, 1, #225 of 1402 🔗

Interesting, where did you read that?
She did knight Sir Tom Whatsit, the one who raised a shedload of money for the NHS…

113647 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Carrie, 1, #226 of 1402 🔗

It was a headline in the DM I think, around April.

113895 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, 3, #227 of 1402 🔗

The queen won’t accept a vaccine. She has the sense to use homeopathics.

113948 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Two-Six, 1, #228 of 1402 🔗

That doesn’t stop Charles or William from making an appearance does it?

114105 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Two-Six, 1, #229 of 1402 🔗

What would happen now if she died? socially distanced Royal Funeral?

113894 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, 2, #230 of 1402 🔗

I wondered if she’d been cancelled.

113936 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nsklent, 3, #231 of 1402 🔗

My MP must be thick as mince as she refutes anything I say. I’ve now started attaching links to my emails but she doesn’t bother responding. My taxes help pay her salary and I’m bloody angry I have no representation in Parliament!

113942 ▶▶▶▶ Janice21, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #232 of 1402 🔗

One MP here in N Ireland questioned the false Covid related death certificates but the footage of him doing so have since disappeared and I dont know what happened after that.

113273 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Biker, -5, #233 of 1402 🔗

Don’t look at tests then. Look at deaths above baseline and ignore coronavirus stats entirely. There’s still a wave. Unless you think they’re inventing deaths?

113316 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #234 of 1402 🔗

Eh? Don’t understand what you’re arguing.

113669 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to TJN, #235 of 1402 🔗

Biker said they are still waiting for the first wave, because he doesn’t trust their tests. I’m arguing it’s already happened, and you don’t need to look at coronavirus test results to see it. Just look at deaths above baseline. Pretty simple.

113682 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Tee Ell, 2, #236 of 1402 🔗

Oh I see – you mean deaths back in the spring. Think I get it now, so upvoted. Thanks.

113289 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Biker, 2, #237 of 1402 🔗

A spell in the Tower? Stand ’em against a wall, more like. Bags first go with the AK-47.

113403 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #238 of 1402 🔗

Personally I don’t support capitol punishment. It’s beyond evil for the state to take a life. A horror show.

If any of you lot here saw a person being put against a wall and shot or hanged it would traumatise you irreparably for the rest of your life unless you were a psychopath.

113950 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Two-Six, 3, #239 of 1402 🔗

Then I must be a psychopath because I want these traitors to receive the ultimate penalty for all the misery they have caused.

113897 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #240 of 1402 🔗

No, long and slow would be much more appropriate.

114025 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #241 of 1402 🔗

Make them live a few years in Greta Thunberg’s Green Paradise. That might cure them.

114429 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cheezilla, #242 of 1402 🔗

Life in the Stocks outside Paddington Station, masked.

114558 ▶▶▶▶ PreJennerAgain, replying to Cheezilla, #243 of 1402 🔗

One should make the punishment fit the crime, hence there is no need for violence. Just let the lockdown zealots spend life locked away “for their own good”. And soon we’ll decide to cut off their zoom calls, “for their own good, someone may express a rude opinion to you over one”, and stop them getting banana bread ingreidents “for their own good, you might cut yourself with the mixing bowl”, and let them do nothing but stare at four empty padded walls and eat a daily ration of tasteless nutrition designed to do nothing but keep them alive “for their own good, you might sufocate on proper food or drink”.

113402 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 1, #244 of 1402 🔗

Just to annoy you even more Biker hancock was on the Today Programme earlier telling Nick.
“We’re not quite there with the testing but The Cavalry is on its way the vaccine’s not here yet but soon will be.

114031 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #245 of 1402 🔗
113218 Suburbian, replying to Suburbian, 6, #246 of 1402 🔗

This American Comedian has so great sketches about lockdown. I think all bedwetters should be forced to watch him to see what the rest of us think!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxznGIj8Ja0


113226 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Suburbian, 2, #247 of 1402 🔗

I turned off adblock to watch this and it was worth it. Excellent

113228 ▶▶▶ Marie R, replying to Biker, #248 of 1402 🔗

Can you remind me how you do that? Ta

113264 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Marie R, 2, #249 of 1402 🔗

click on the hand that shows you adblock and it will off you the chance to pause it

113605 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Suburbian, #250 of 1402 🔗

This one is my favourite.
https://youtu.be/6gnwgZli1_Y

113906 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Suburbian, 1, #251 of 1402 🔗

JP rocks!

113223 Basics, replying to Basics, 12, #252 of 1402 🔗

A precomment if I may. At 8.30am this morning Scotland’s dictator will be ‘giving’ an interview to Sky News. The interview is being given to set out the Scottish dictator’s plan for an independence referendum, just 6 years after the once-in-a-generation last one.

My precomment is this. The dictator slimed and squirreled herself out of an inquiry/investigation into Covid19 carehime deaths by rejecting with Hitler-like incredulous distain the notion that her civil servants ought to be pulled from Sars CoV 2 lockdown duties whilst the nation is in what she calls a pandemic.

1 in 20 (5%) of all beds in Scottish carehomes have been associated with Covid 19. Half of Scottish deaths occured in care homes. NHS Scotland cleared patients into care homes without concern they may carry the virus into our most vulnerable groups. Manslaughter at the very least.

So now fish lips is prepared to talk up an independence nonsense, where even half of independence support see that she is nothing more that a blockage to their desired referendum.

According to Murdo Fraser (Cons) and others the SNP Gov are responsible for £62 Billion of unaccounted for UK funding. The Scottish Government have been asked to show evidence of where that central gov money has been spent.

113227 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Basics, 7, #253 of 1402 🔗

God help Scotland if they vote for independence under SNP rule.

Plenty of remote areas up there for Krankie to build the concentration camps away from prying eyes.

113235 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Basics, 8, #254 of 1402 🔗

Remember the media talk her up because she’s a woman, we all know the BBC love to help woman, they do this because they need the help. The kind of woman the BBC help are clueless, most of them can’t even cook these days. Obviously i’m not talking of your conservative woman the BBC hate them but all these slappers and thots and lefty socialist weirdo’s who go on about social justice, I’d rather have VD than fuck one of these cunts. Sturgeon has no children, she has no stake in the future. As far as the SNP goes, everyday this lockdown goes on they are further away from their deluded independence. Does she think the kids in school today being forced to wear masks and have their education ruined and their private lives stopped are gonna vote for the people who did this. Though saying that it’s so depressing to see the once very educated Scottish people are now as dumb as the invaders of Birmingham

113280 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Biker, 3, #255 of 1402 🔗

Swinney signed a Bill to incorporate UN Convention on the Rights of the Child into Scots Law 1 Sept 2020. Ideologically globalist UN now has control in law of Scotland’s children rights. SNP fans may wonder why they don’t know, why signed to an external body. Covid19 is still being used to hide huge shifts.

114038 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basics, 3, #256 of 1402 🔗

The U.N. is corrupt and their human rights charter is not worth the paper it’s printed on.

113239 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Basics, 5, #257 of 1402 🔗

Relatives in Scotland cant wait to see the back of her and her gang, ditto all of their friends, they are well aware of her antics, the MSM however like the talk of a Split, selling ad space is their game and as most are not even in the country they have even less interest in the result of any of our politics

113697 ▶▶ ikaraki, replying to Basics, 4, #258 of 1402 🔗

Had my reasons for supporting Scottish independence at the time of the referendum, but as you say it was a once-in-a-generation thing! She has no right to be talking about this now, and you can be damn sure I will oppose this. Helpfully her hand is shown, one trick pony all the way, doesn’t really care about the ‘little people’, just wants her own dictatorship.

113230 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 5, #259 of 1402 🔗

R4 News, people in London wanting/required test being directed to Brecon Beacons LOL.

113256 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to karenovirus, 7, #260 of 1402 🔗

This actually gives me a tiny bit of hope that incompetence will help save the day. At least a few people in London must question the narrative if they have to travel so far for a test .

113300 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Charlie Blue, 6, #261 of 1402 🔗

If the testing centres were there to find outbreaks then they would be spread wide and far. Instead they are chasing hotspots in order to score points for their masters (case numbers). This isn’t incompetence, it is criminal competence. The incompetence will hopefully come if the sheople find out about the reasoning.

113308 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to karenovirus, 2, #262 of 1402 🔗

Have they been told to go up and down Lord Herefords Knob for extra giggles?

114364 ▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #263 of 1402 🔗

You could always take in Three Cocks while you’re in that part of the world!

113915 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #264 of 1402 🔗

Perfect!

113231 Ed Hardy, replying to Ed Hardy, 4, #265 of 1402 🔗

Your ‘story’ about Bedales School supposedly closing down for two weeks is not true: my child attends Bedales and the school is fully open. The lack of fact-checking on this point makes me wonder if I can believe anything I read on your website.

113332 ▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Ed Hardy, #266 of 1402 🔗

Yeah does seem open on their Twitter…if this is the right school.

https://bedwetters.buzzsprout.com/

113939 ▶▶ Ian Rons, replying to Ed Hardy, 3, #268 of 1402 🔗

Please see the “Stop Press” item above. Turns out some but not all pupils were sent home.

114561 ▶▶▶ PreJennerAgain, replying to Ian Rons, #269 of 1402 🔗

Because sending a group of people who might have caught the virus together off to give it to families who might not have it yet is always a great policy. Just like how one-way systems make people closer for longer.

113232 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 27, #270 of 1402 🔗

I didn’t listen to or watch PMQs yesterday. I knew in advance there was little point

Out of 600+ there was not one voice of dissent

Some people are surprised by this. I am not

What we live under many people describe as democracy. I don’t know if it is or if it is not.

I know democracy is a word used to silence people. We are told we live in a democracy and we should be grateful that this has been granted to us; therefore it is wrong to complain

Every five years we get to cast a vote for someone imposed on us by two elites. These people will have spent their lives as yes men and women in their respective organisations

It reality what we get is little different from what people got under the one party states of the old communist block

There is little or no chance that an ‘ordinary’ citizen could be ever be elected to what is described as a parliament. It is also not possible that such a person could do a ‘dido’ and flit unhindered from one position of power to another

In recent months we have not discovered that our freedoms has been taken away from us, we have discovered that we didn’t have any freedom in the first place

113242 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Cecil B, 9, #271 of 1402 🔗

We’ve had loads of ordinary citizens elected under the SNP in Scotland and to be fair each and every one of them is as dumb as shit. Dumber that you can imagine. Democracy is an illusion

114396 ▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Biker, 1, #272 of 1402 🔗

Here’s a fine example of the calibre of our SNP MPs:

https://order-order.com/2020/05/15/snp-mp-charged-police-street-disturbance/

113247 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Cecil B, 7, #273 of 1402 🔗

It ended with Major when they dumped Thatcher because she wouldnt conform, Major was a shoe in, then they got the one they wanted, Blair and ever since we’ve been run by Blairites, Blair still in the shadows, using his ‘Foundation’ to manipulate

113261 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Dan Clarke, 13, #274 of 1402 🔗

Thatcher at the despatch box shouting no no no is one of the most spine chilling things i have every seen. At this point she knew we had been infiltrated and taken over and we were no longer Great Britain. We still live under the tyranny of the people who took over

113295 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Biker, 9, #275 of 1402 🔗

Yes, I remember that over 3 decades ago now, and still watch it occasionally. I didn’t then fully comprehend what she was getting at, but something woke up in me at that moment – bit like hearing Anarchy for the first time.

Christ, where is a Thatcher prepared today to shout ‘NO, NO, NO’ at this bollocks.

113283 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, 8, #276 of 1402 🔗

We had freedom all right. Freedom and democracy are not necessarily the same thing. What has changed is that concepts such as “freedom” and “rights” and “civil liberties” are seen as privileges which may be withheld at will, rather than something natural and unalienable.

What has changed is that this country has become much more Statist than it ever was, almost the same as the despotic monarchies of sixteenth and seventeenth century Europe.

As demonstrated in England in 1649 and in France in 1793, even kings are subject to the Law, and even kings can be shortened by a head. Though today the problem is not kings, but governments.

Time for a fresh demonstration of the Law, methinks.

113439 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #277 of 1402 🔗

If they can be withdrawn at will then they don’t exist

113236 stewart, replying to stewart, 7, #279 of 1402 🔗

The picture of the education sector in today’s newsletter is grim.

There have always been nasty teachers in schools. Over the years it’s become socially unacceptable to mistreat children and lots of procedures and processes were put in place. But give them half a chance and….

113253 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stewart, 6, #280 of 1402 🔗

And what we see in the picture above is as damaging and dangerous as corporal punishment was during the bad old days.

Add in the toxic combination of cliques, bullying and social media, I fear that the children of today will be toast.

113260 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bart Simpson, 19, #281 of 1402 🔗

I had my fair share of knocks administered by angry teachers back in the day (I just escaped the era of corporal punishment but chalk dusters were chucked at my head on a regular basis). In most cases I probably deserved it for being an annoying little bastard.

This is wholly different. Every natural instinct of youth is being deliberately targeted and suppressed. Punishments and exclusion are being sadistically administered when the child has done nothing wrong. Far more damaging than the old-fashioned “clip round the ear” whenever you got out of line.

113278 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Richard O, 13, #282 of 1402 🔗

This is wholly different. Every natural instinct of youth is being deliberately targeted and suppressed. Punishments and exclusion are being sadistically administered when the child has done nothing wrong. Far more damaging than the old-fashioned “clip round the ear” whenever you got out of line.

Exactly. There’s some legit reason for the “clip round the ear” or a chalk whizzing past one’s ear in the old days but these muzzling, antisocial distancing and “bubbles” is sadistic to the core and the kids have done nothing to deserve it.

113286 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #283 of 1402 🔗

I can imagine how despondent I would have become sitting through some doubleBS lesson in a mask. Day dreaming about prospects for my own future. A despondency that may shape my aspirations.

I am so glad to hear any reports where school children are not masked, smiling and happy. Glad to be with their peers. Long may that continue.

113291 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basics, 7, #284 of 1402 🔗

I hated school when I was young and am so glad that I’m the age I am now. If I was going to school or university now I would rather find a way to end my life rather than to go through this inferno.

Schools and parents fighting back against this nonsense is a ray of hope. And I pray that it will spread.

113453 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #285 of 1402 🔗

One of my colleagues’ children are returning to school next week. Masks aren’t being mandated, fortunately, but he’s convinced that a lot of the other kids are bedwetters so his son is planning to take a mask “just in case” especially since “bullying is a real thing.” If schools start heading toward muzzling because of a handful of bullies then it’s hard to see how we get out of this regardless of what parents think (I gather schools stopped listening to them years ago).

114041 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #286 of 1402 🔗

And the sheeple are the masochists. Lovin’ every minute of it.

113305 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to stewart, 10, #287 of 1402 🔗

I’ve known many teachers and often wonder why they chose teaching when they don’t seem to like young people very much.

113442 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to KBuchanan, 3, #288 of 1402 🔗

Two possibilities: one is that they didn’t start out hating children and developed the attitude whilst teaching, the other is that they did start out hating children and saw teaching as a way to work out that hatred – essentially being a paid bully.

You see similarities in other professions (police, traffic wardens etc) where some people join up because they like to boss people around; or, in the army, where a lot of people sign up because they like the idea of playing with guns and killing people (Saul David once referred to the make-up of the British army as 90% psychopaths).

113309 ▶▶ mjr, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #290 of 1402 🔗

that posting would get a visit from the police in australia. how long until it happens here

113339 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to mjr, 4, #291 of 1402 🔗

Yes. Speaking truth to power is dangerous.

113238 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 7, #292 of 1402 🔗

“If public sector lockdown fanatics will mistreat children by turning their school into ruthless, no-mercy, boot camps, are there any depths to which they won’t stoop?”

Those who can make you can believe absurdities, now WILL make you commit atrocities.

Today’s read is very depressing.
And the situation is very similar on the continent: bedwetters that are going full MILGRAM.

113258 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #293 of 1402 🔗

Yes, a particularly powerful and even dark edition of LS today.

But that’s where things are going.

113281 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jay Berger, 8, #294 of 1402 🔗

They’re no different to concentration camp and gulag guards. I despair, I really do.

When the day of reckoning arrives, this lot should also be made to pay for the damage they’re inflicting on children.

113251 MaxPower, replying to MaxPower, 3, #295 of 1402 🔗

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/hundreds-torn-over-who-right-18869689

The fact that masks reduce the likelihood of transmitting, rather than getting the virus seems to be totally lost on this bedwetter. I feel for the Headteacher and her kids….

113255 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to MaxPower, 5, #296 of 1402 🔗

At least the consensus seems to be that they should not be compulsory and the majority agree with the head and dont want their kids to wear one.

113306 ▶▶ mjr, replying to MaxPower, 3, #297 of 1402 🔗

Anyone who calls their kids Angelo, Roman and India certainly has an off beat view of life, Also noted that in the photos all are wearing masks in situations where masks are not necessary. Virtue signalling?

on same Echo page “Gang thug spared jail after court told his girlfriend works for NHS” because she would have to give up work to look after children, So NHS is not relevant. So why is it in the headline? All hail to the NHS religion?

113929 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to MaxPower, 1, #298 of 1402 🔗

Speaking to the ECHO, Suzanne said: “My daughter is disabled and extremely vulnerable and so am I.

Fair enough

“There’s no point protecting my daughter if my boys aren’t afforded the same protection.

Doh!

113252 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 23, #299 of 1402 🔗

What continues to amaze me is the rigidity of thought of the lockdown guardians. There’s no sense of proportion or context, no enquiry or self-doubt. There’s just a kind of moral absolutism. You would think the statistics would give rise to some debate, yet there is none, not even an impression of having considered the alternatives.
I don’t think it is a conspiracy. I think it happens to fit exactly with how they think: absolute moral certainties, free money, and unrestrained power. What could possibly go wrong?

113262 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to WhyNow, 16, #300 of 1402 🔗

They’re terrified of the inevitable backlash. Even the opposition parties must realise they are every bit as complicit as the government in what’s gone on. They should be terrified. Better the government fears the people than the people fear the government.

Right now, the people are fearful. But fear turns to hate in the blink of an eye.

That blink is coming.

113314 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #301 of 1402 🔗

They intend to make their final move, needle first, before the majority understands what is going on.

113327 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to WhyNow, 20, #302 of 1402 🔗

At every opportunity when speaking to colleagues in meetings since March, I have rubbished the panic and backed it up with data, subtly when needed. You could see that there was some kind of barrier in their minds that didn’t allow them to fully accept it, but they did indicate underlying scepticism. As the situation has got worse and the lies have become more transparent, rather than becoming more sceptical they have gone the other way and have totally submitted to the propaganda. Now the standard response to any solid challenge is that it Coronabollocks risk seems low but they would rather take the cautious approach so that they didn’t have to isolate from relatives. What the hell? You would rather give up your freedoms and accept totalitarianism for something you suspect may be a lie, so you don’t get told you can’t see your mother for 2 weeks? Weak and pathetic. And these are intelligent people – just lacking in moral strength. Again we see that a standard mental contortion is that they are taking this stance to protect others, but now it has shifted from protecting them from the virus to protecting them from being isolated. There is a pandemic but it is not a virus, it is a corruption of the mind.

Edit: sorry I slightly misplaced this comment, in hindsight realising you were talking about the chiefs and not the Indians.

113259 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 18, #303 of 1402 🔗

Well that was probably the most depressing daily update I’ve read. I’m terrified of asking later what my daughter’s first day back at school was like. Please can someone get us out of this hell?

113267 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Achilles, 11, #304 of 1402 🔗

We will all have to work together to get us out of this hell. It is up to us, don’t wait for others.

Protest Edinburgh (Holyrood) 5th Sep (this Sat).

Protest London (Trafalgar Square) 26th Sep (three weeks Sat)

113276 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Nick Rose, #305 of 1402 🔗

I’ve heard rumour of a protest Saturday, is it going ahead?

113481 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nick Rose, #306 of 1402 🔗

Will the organiser of those protests get a £10,000 fine?

113958 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nick Rose, #307 of 1402 🔗
114043 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, #308 of 1402 🔗

There is another rally planned for September 26, just before the vote on whether to extend the lockdown further.

113296 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Achilles, 12, #309 of 1402 🔗

Yes it was, but it’s also galvanised me.

We’ll get ourselves out of this hell. Don’t worry.

Couldn’t sleep last night – mainly worrying about my daughter’s start at school. She’s Covid proof (as in thinks it’s all bullshit) but I’m worried what they’ll teach her. Sanitisers on desks FFS (I’ve already started to wage war against that). I’m worried what’s in the small cardboard boxes pictured next to the sanitisers in the ‘new abnormal’ class photo they sent me. It looks medical…

Good luck to your daughter today.

“Hateful to me as the gates of Hades is that man who hides one thing in his heart and speaks another.”

Achilles, The Iliad

113960 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mr Dee, #310 of 1402 🔗

Small cardboard box = spare mask?

113322 ▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Achilles, 4, #311 of 1402 🔗

What the hell can we do? If we organise a rally it’ll cost us £10k and they do nothing anyway.

What we need to do is start spreading the news of this farce online and to friends on social media. For a while they’ll complain but after a few weeks of battering with actual stats their minds will change.

113400 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 6, #312 of 1402 🔗

I think rallies are important as they remind the government of the opposition to their mandates – particularly if we are to believe that their policies are influenced and energised by the result of biased polls. I actually thing the government is incredibly weak, and if enough opposition was seen on the streets they would start to backtrack. I don’t think Johnson could bare to see how despised he is.

113972 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nsklent, 1, #313 of 1402 🔗

And it does attract some media attention, no matter how much they try to ignore it.

113413 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 4, #314 of 1402 🔗

Easy. Everyone involved in the rally chips in. One person per rally takes ones for the team to be the ‘organiser’ (and I’ll be happy to volunteer if it comes to that). Just regard it as a ‘protest tax’, forced upon us by the tyrants.

So only one person out of the thousands attending takes the rap, and everybody is only out of pocket by a small amount (a rally of only a thousand people will costs everyone a tenner).

And see how quickly the crowd funded Corbyn’s ‘protest tax’.

I think protests are effective. Very effective. Remember the poll tax protests? And the Road Protests of the 90s changed road-building policy.

They have to be peaceful though. Violence is the authoritarian’s answer to everything and they win at that game all the time. However, they cannot cope with passive resistance (not in the long term anyway).

113513 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #315 of 1402 🔗

The road protectors of the 90’s cost the government millions and millions and millions, just a hand full of crusties. They managed to co-opt large numbers of local people who were NIMBY’s and that helped them a lot.

However those protests were like Stincktion Bellion, supported by the deep state, even back then. They had a lot of support from The Guardian, for example, Monbiot was a busy journo back then.. The main organisers were Cambridge Academics…A bit like now really. But I guess these *literally* tweed wearing young boffins grew up and got proper jobs.

That said, it really was interesting to see how a few determined people managed to organise a huge resistance.

113737 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Two-Six, 1, #316 of 1402 🔗

They hit a very easy target, half a dozen fuel depots supplying the whole country. There are now many more depots widely dispersed.

113730 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 1, #317 of 1402 🔗

I’ve been doing just that face to face on the street for weeks. It isn’t hard, the graphics and info from LS are invaluable.

I’ve shown the Gulag pic to a dozen people today (one of them might be reading this now) and two new words cropped up in their responses.
“Thank You “.

113969 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 1, #318 of 1402 🔗

I don’t normally go anywhere near my facebook timeline, just use a couple of excellent forums.

However, I now make a point of posting at least one anti-lockdown picture or link every day.

A couple of people always share them to their friends and the number of positive commenters is growing.

Drip, drip, drip.

113263 Tee Ell, replying to Tee Ell, 16, #319 of 1402 🔗

An email to Twynham School:

Your decision to enforce masks is insane, and illegal.

Imagine a hose. What happens when you reduce the size of the apertures in a hose? As we know, it turns to a fine mist, and the dispersed finer droplets of water travel further on the wind.

What if the same happens here? If that is the case, enforcing masks is not only Draconian and stupid (considering deaths per week are lower than last year and have been for two months), but also incredibly reckless and risky.

Why are you breaking the law and putting students at risk?

113274 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #320 of 1402 🔗

Hope you get a coherent answer

113275 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Tee Ell, 6, #321 of 1402 🔗

I am sickened by what this school are doing too, Tee Ell. However, they are not breaking the law (if only). The government saying that they do not recommend face coverings in classrooms but ultimately leaving decisions to head teachers gives them the freedom to do as they please. Immoral, but far from illegal.

113301 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #322 of 1402 🔗

Just the same as they did in shops.

113480 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #323 of 1402 🔗

Out of interest, what will/can the school do if parents keep their kids at home? Report them to the local authority? What if the parents then say their child is exempt and that they are homeschooling?

113497 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Carrie, 4, #324 of 1402 🔗

Most schools are saying that keeping them at home for an extended period requires a valid reason. Non valid reasons I have read about are:

– You are against their new rules
– You are worried about the lack of rules and the school is a death trap

In both cases either you are fined per day/month or else you need to send a letter to state you no longer need the place and teby are removed indefinitely.

I’ve seen parents talking on social media from both sides having done it. It’s a mess

113508 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #325 of 1402 🔗

If you say your child is exempt, I’m guessing they are allowed to ask why, but can they ‘punish’ you? Can the disability discrimination laws be used?

That one is stressed by wearing a mask is a legal exemption..

If you say your child will return when the school returns to ‘normal’ and the school try to remove your child’s place, that would imply that the school in fact *never* intends things to return to normal, which would be telling…

113617 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Carrie, 3, #326 of 1402 🔗

It’s not going to be clear until we have an actual court case with one of these autocrats in the Dock.

Exemptions should be protected as a right by the schools and many don’t understand the law

113753 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tee Ell, 4, #327 of 1402 🔗

We all know that if we say “exempt” when entering a shop nobody can question that, short of court.
If the shop denies entry after being told of your exemption it is guilty of Disability Discrimination.

In what way do these legal protections not apply to a child entering a school?

113272 MRG, replying to MRG, 4, #328 of 1402 🔗

On the subject of testing, I’ve noticed that here

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing

they’ve not reported the number of daily tests since 26 August. The “headline” is still 186,500 and the downloaded csv file stops at that date.

Is this to stop us from working out the ratio of positive tests to total tests, and so reporting that it’s still oscillating about 0.6% as it’s been since late June?

113394 ▶▶ Julian, replying to MRG, 1, #329 of 1402 🔗

I have emailed them about this, no response as yet. I am suspicious of the reasons, like you.

113277 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 5, #330 of 1402 🔗

Can someone do a chart which shows new cases, their positivity percentage, deaths and possibly hospital/ICU admissions since masks where mandated for the major fear mongering countries USA, D, UK, F, Spain, OZ, possibly Italy and BRA, and then compare them with maskless Sweden, and possibly DK, N, NL and Central Swiss cantons numbers from those dates?
My hunch is that these numbers would demonstrate an inverse correlation of masks usefulness in those regards, aka that masks are not just useless against Covid and dangerous with regard to leading to more other illnesses, but that they are also INCREASING Covid cases!!!

113489 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #331 of 1402 🔗

You are still left with the claim that “more would have died without them”, which can’t be proven of course but that won’t stop them

113351 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Sarigan, 3, #333 of 1402 🔗

Thank you, Offlands.
I try to send my (newly redundant) son something from this site to cheer up his day – that link fits the bill perfectly!

114088 ▶▶ DickieA, replying to Sarigan, 1, #334 of 1402 🔗

A couple of weeks back, I played golf with a retired solicitor (in his late ’70s) who told me that his son, when seeing Hancock on the television, kept saying, “I know him from somewhere”. After a few weeks, his son had a Eureka moment and told his father that he had met Hancock on the “new starters” London standup comedy circuit 20 – 30 years ago. Would be interesting if anyone could confirm – because that would explain a lot!

113282 PWL, 3, #335 of 1402 🔗

The thing is, if “Mr Hancock’s emergency law is upheld by the courts” then that’s the end of the law – or their law, or legislation – and they shouldn’t be allowed to uphold it.

The police as militia, and the “policing by consent” deception

113285 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #336 of 1402 🔗

We will never level anyone up unless we end all the pointless restrictions.

393 reported Covid deaths in Europe yesterday
Population: 741.4 million
SOURCE worldometers

For that European economies are being destroyed.

“Piers Corbyn, the elder brother of Jeremy Corbyn, the former leader of the Labour party, was given a penalty without trial of £10,000 for his part in organising a rally in Trafalgar Square calling for the repeal of the Coronavirus Act, passed in March, which gave the government sweeping powers.

The £10,000 penalty was imposed under a statutory instrument, not passed by parliament, but brought into force on 28 August by the Health Secretary. Two organisers of a rave in West Glamorgan, attended by about 3,000 people, were also given fixed penalty notices for £10,000.” Source – Spectator

In other words the night before the protest

What is going on with this Conservative Government?

113315 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 10, #337 of 1402 🔗

They aren’t a Conservative government. They are the Chinese Communist Party, without the nice bits.

113321 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #338 of 1402 🔗

100%. It really does now feel that way. Its like an arms race to see which government can be the most authoritarian.

113383 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #339 of 1402 🔗

It seems Hancock is running the show. He is just a health minister but appears to be sticking his ore in on many other matters – how on earth is he permitted to institute these penalty notices. Pity he wasn’t actually doing what he is being paid for, that is get the NHS sclerotic beast delivering care.

113287 PWL, replying to PWL, 4, #340 of 1402 🔗

Don’t send your children to the prison camps and then whine about it when they are abused. What did you expect. Crying to Toby Young isn’t going to change anything, either. That this site never recommends principled withdrawal from the system is why it isn’t trying to lead – and lots of you are greatly mistaken by following.

Exiting Babylon: the only way to escape being prey for UK Government in perpetuity

113304 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to PWL, 20, #341 of 1402 🔗

You are correct that withdrawal from the system is the best solution. It is the responsibility of each individual to enact this in their own lives in whatever ways they can.

However I believe the purpose of this website is to collate and present the best information out there to counter the mainstream narrative. In this regard, Toby et al are doing an absolutely superb job. What each of us then chooses to do with this information is up to us.

113389 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Richard O, 4, #342 of 1402 🔗

Thanks Richard O – you articulated it far better than I did.

113312 ▶▶ stewart, replying to PWL, 10, #343 of 1402 🔗

Agree with the first bit.

Understand the frustration.

This site is great though. I believe it keeps many people sane and in hope. People do what they can and I would say TY is doing a heck of a lot more than most.

113336 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to PWL, 13, #344 of 1402 🔗

With due respect, I think the point of this site is essentially twofold: to provide a forum for sharing of views and information, and to provide a support function to those who are either on their own or do not have people around them who share their views. Once this is embedded, with more views and ideas disseminated externally (for example, many have been encouraged to write to their MPs, other officialdom, and will submit to the vaccine consultation) then the message will filter through to the public. It takes time though – note Carl Heneghan’s strategy of chip, chip away.

113337 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to PWL, 6, #345 of 1402 🔗

I second that in sofar, as I have zero sympathy or pity for anyone who becomes unemployed and/or for their children being tortured and robbed of their chances, who doesn’t oppose all this openly, which is seemingly still 95% of the population and above all the woke Y and Z generations.

113395 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Jay Berger, 10, #346 of 1402 🔗

I have complete sympathy with them. In fact, my heart goes out to them every day. Every time I see someone in a mask, my soul weeps.

Some people are not as courageous as you are. It’s all matter of fear and self-confidence. Many people have had their self-confidence chipped away by fear. It will return, and the fear will leave. We’re are just the vanguard.

114026 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mr Dee, 6, #347 of 1402 🔗

Well said Mr Dee.

My friend recently visited her 93 year-old friend who was absolutely terrified and insisted they both wore masks inside the house. She has no internet etc and no doubt gets all her info from the monster that is the beeb.

Not her fault that she’s so scared. I swallowed the lies at first till luckily I found alternative sources of information.

My friend could see that the news was all nonsense but found it amusing that people could believe it. She didn’t realise how serious is the underlying agenda. It took the random unfairness of the local mockdown to get her mad enough to look deeper and here I am with some handy links for her to follow.

Drip, drip, drip ….

114565 ▶▶▶ PreJennerAgain, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #348 of 1402 🔗

Please don’t blame the whole “Y” and “Z” generations, I think I class as being among one or the other of those. I also despise those contemporaries of mine who clearly are coronanist cowards.

114566 ▶▶▶ PreJennerAgain, replying to Jay Berger, #349 of 1402 🔗

Born in 1994, so is that Y or Z?

113387 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to PWL, 4, #350 of 1402 🔗

Don’t worry about me – I exited Babylon a looooong time ago. At least spiritually. Physically – now that’s the difficult part (though less important bit in the long run).

This site is great because it acts as a sounding board for ideas with like-minded people of a variety of backgrounds and beliefs. It has never been, to me at least, a site for a call to arms. But as an inspiration for a call to arms (if you see what I mean).

Thanks for the link though – more please!

113396 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #351 of 1402 🔗

George Carlin spoke in much the same way before he passed. Detach emotionally from the result of the game

https://youtu.be/eVZMifGcW64

113390 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PWL, 13, #352 of 1402 🔗

Who is following? I mean, I don’t know what people do in their private lives, but my guess from posts here and from my own experience, most people that post here are quite capable of making their own minds up.

I know very little about Toby Young, other than some of his work with freedom of speech and obviously the efforts he is making to counteract the virus madness. I’m not his follower and I often don’t even read the updates that closely, just the comments for new useful info, interesting arguments and moral support.

I doubt the intention of this site is to “lead” anything or to push a strict set of responses or opinions, and even if it is I don’t care. There’s no censorship and I think people feel free to post whatever they feel like.

I am too literal to understand your references to prison camps, and I’m not sure anyone is “crying to Toby Young” – we are talking to eachother, primarily.

What’s your suggestion for how we get out of this?

113392 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PWL, 1, #353 of 1402 🔗

Such great writing. Thought provoking on many levels. The fact that it’s socialism for the few/rich (Gov-private partnerships, TBTF bailouts) and capitalism for the many/poor (job losses, free markets) has been around for a very long time now on the left and the right.

113723 ▶▶ peter, replying to PWL, -10, #354 of 1402 🔗

This site is controlled opposition, Toby believes in eugenics, covid incompetence theory and is pals with ghislaine maxwell and michael gove. how many red flags do you need so see?

113293 smurfs, replying to smurfs, 10, #355 of 1402 🔗

Heads-up Irish people.

When you get a call from your doctor’s surgery advising you that you or your children are due vaccine shots, consider what is motivating doctors to push the vaccination agenda…. is it profit or patient welfare?

Here’s a Telegram post received from Health Freedom Ireland this morning.

So there will be additional payments. Do you think it’s a good idea that GPs receive financial incentives for providing vaccinations? Will this make them impartial in discussing openly and honestly if a vaccine is indicated for an individual or might this be a conflict of interest?

Vaccines are good business for GPs in this country. 380 EUR per child vaccinated in the practice. How many children does a GP practise typically look after? How many patients overall?

The number of registered patients per GP practise is on average several thousand with some over 10k.

The new flu vaccine is also connected to additional incentives.

“GPs will be paid €15 for administering the flu vaccine to adults and €20 for administering a nasal flu vaccine to children.

However, the Irish Medical Organisation (IMO) told its members that as part of the agreement with the Government there would be an additional €100 bonus payment for for every 10 adult patients vaccinated and €150 for every 10 children.”

More in this Irish Times article (sorry for quoting MSM shite. Please pinch your nose while reading)

113297 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to smurfs, 8, #356 of 1402 🔗

Doctors as mercenaries to administer whatever cocktails the pharmaceutical corporations give to them. What a fucking shitshow.

113320 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Richard O, 4, #357 of 1402 🔗

Doctors worked tirelessly in the death camps of Nazi Germany

113373 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Cecil B, 4, #358 of 1402 🔗

Doctors participated in the Witch Hunts 400 years ago – they were getting rid of the competition.

113334 ▶▶ IanE, replying to smurfs, 3, #359 of 1402 🔗

Of course, doctors have received extra payments for a vast range of treatments for a long time – and that is without all the freebies available from Big Pharma!

I think the rot really settled in when Bliar doubled their salaries and reduced their work loads dramatically – at that point, doctors as a class started to feel that they were under-paid!

113341 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to smurfs, 5, #360 of 1402 🔗

Also checkout the animated video for Ireland’s health passports – all nicely packaged, but with the underline message that nothing will be accessible to you unless you have the green standard. How often you will have to have your tonsils tickled by a swab, they omit to detail. The more ominous caption, was where it stated once you have the vaccine you will also have physical evidence to demonstrate this – at this point the animated female character lifts her top, but is screened by shield type symbol, make of that what you will.

113454 ▶▶▶ smurfs, replying to Nsklent, 4, #361 of 1402 🔗

Thanks. I am aware of that video and also the wave of push back from posters on their youtube channel which is encouraging.

I read an article fairly recently reporting on a FoI response received from the Irish government regarding payments made to companies in connection with C19. I can’t for the life of me find the article in question but if memory serves me correctly ROQU, the company behind the Ireland Health Passport, received c. €14M earlier this year. I’m wondering if this was to fund development of the application?

Incidentally ROQU is, or was, a financially insignificant company so it begs the question who in Government Robert Quirke – the person behind it – is connected to to land such a sizable chunk of money. I smell corruption.

113460 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to smurfs, 2, #362 of 1402 🔗

Was the extra money to ROQU from Bill Gates or one of his funded organisations, by any chance?

113491 ▶▶▶▶▶ smurfs, replying to Carrie, 3, #363 of 1402 🔗

From what I recall it was from the Irish Government which was why it was covered by the FOI disclosure.

But whilst we are on the topic of Gates…

Another Telegram post from Health Freedom Ireland this morning has brought to light that Q4PR, an Irish lobbying firm headed by an ex-politician Martin Mackin, made a declaration covering Q1 this year that Q4PR had lobbied Leo Varadkar on behalf of their client….Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation!

Declaration is here for you to read.

Sickening how far their tentacles extend.

113505 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to smurfs, 3, #364 of 1402 🔗

All roads lead back to Gates….

113522 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Humanity First, replying to Carrie, 3, #365 of 1402 🔗

They sure seem to.

Although, I am also not sure that Gates by himself (however rich and evil he may be) can force governments around the world to bend to his will.

I would not be surprised if he is the spokesman/front/useful idiot for others.

113530 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Humanity First, 1, #366 of 1402 🔗

Well he claims to be talking to Fauci ‘all the time’…and we know he has met Boris and Matt Hancock..

114042 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Humanity First, 1, #367 of 1402 🔗

The real holders of power always stay in the shadows.

114222 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Cheezilla, #368 of 1402 🔗

Yes, some years back I think they released pics of Nixon walking somewhere in NYC, going to visit some Rockefeller, Getty types or whatever it was; Nixon was POTUS at the time.. the one job where people are supposed to come visit when You want them to! that’s real power.

113540 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nsklent, #369 of 1402 🔗

Everybody will need to get swabbed every two weeks.

113457 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to smurfs, 1, #370 of 1402 🔗

Why more for vaccinating children than adults? is it because they’re giving kids the Covid vaccine AND the flu vaccine together?

113645 ▶▶▶ smurfs, replying to Carrie, 1, #371 of 1402 🔗

I have just been for a run to clear my head and was thinking about your last point about combining the vaccines.

I don’t think that will happen initially.

What we have in Ireland, it seems, is a very big push to get whole sections of the population vaccinated for flu in the coming months, before the year end. This will give the government the opportunity to get as many people enrolled on the health passport via the back door before the C19 poison becomes available. I fully expect that doctors/nurses administering the flu jab/nasal spray will create the passport record at the same time (as per the promo video). Time will tell if this plays out but I expect if it does it will be kept very low key to start – I’ll have to try find a sceptic nurse willing to confirm/deny this!

I cant speculate about the price differential between children and adults as it doesn’t seem logical that a jab is cheaper than a squirt of nasal spray.

114044 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to smurfs, #372 of 1402 🔗

Last week there was a lot of UK noise about everyone over 50 having a flu jab this winter. They’ve had to backpedal due to lack of sufficient stocks.

113298 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 19, #373 of 1402 🔗

Was just looking through some of my older comments on BBC HYS articles. All these are from March/April, seems so long ago now. Once the inevitable inquiry comes along I will not be accepting “we could not have known” as an excuse:

31/03 –
“The vast majority of the worlds population do not need to be “saved from this virus””

01/04 –
“The virus might die off in the next couple of months”

03/04 –
“Masks and testing for the masses would be little more than a placebo”

“What I’d really like to know is when they’re actually testing patients for the virus. If non infected are being taken into hospitals to get infected then that’s a major worry. Nightingale and the other hospitals set up specifically for the virus may just become de facto euthanasia facilities.”

04/04 –
“The authorities have built this up to such large proportions that even IF they were wrong they now wouldn’t be able to turn around and say they wrecked the world economies and thus peoples lives unecessarily”

05/04 –
“There are people who think too much of themselves and some who think too much of others. The latter can be equally destructive to society by thinking no price is too big to pay to save 1 life”

“People calling for additional powers for enforcement etc seem to think those same powers wouldn’t apply to them once in place. Regardless of whether you intend to do something or not, loss of freedom is giving away your ability to choose”

08/04 –
“The final cost of all this will be much higher likely lasting for years.
People will not be spending as before, cutting back to repair any damage done to them personally. A lot will still want to social distance. The economy will suffer as a consequence. We’ll never really truly know what might have happened with different actions but we’ll be questioning and paying for this for years”

15/04 –
“We’ll look back at this chapter as the time we all did something drastic to prevent something we can’t be sure would have happened. Most of us weren’t even at risk of dying but some were happy to crap on their neighbours for putting their lives at perceived risk”

16/04 –
“The fact that the virus is everywhere in the UK and not just small pockets would suggest that a high proportion of the population has already been exposed to it. If so it would put a lot of doubt on the models being used”

“Am I alone in thinking this is all self inflicted?”

17/04 –
“The fear factor has been built up to such epic proportions that rational thought has been lost somewhere along the line”

20/04 –
“Secretly world leaders will be hoping Sweden’s approach is a catastrophic failure because then they can say their approach was justified”

“I don’t think a permanent lockdown to try and eradicate death is particularly rational. Just my opinion of course”

“The world has wrecked itself. The virus didn’t initiate lockdowns. Governments chose that option. Up to you if you think it was right or wrong”

21/04 –
“Fear of the unknown has paralysed the world. People dying from this virus are somehow more important than the bigger numbers of people dying from all other causes”

22/04 –
“Everyone has natural immunity (should be resistance though) to something. They just don’t know for sure till they get it”

23/04 –
“Hypothetical: Imagine if they’d made a colosal mistake in locking down the world.
Would they ever stop and say they made a mistake or would they carry on regardless?”

“Your immune system is the only protection you have against the virus. Unless you plan to live in a bubble. Assuming a 1% mortality rate, what keeps the 99% alive?”

“Majority of deaths are coming from the high risk groups. The virus killed people in the hospitals and those at home in those groups. It also spread through care homes. Why isn’t it killing thousands of fit and healthy people in their own homes? Projections were for hundreds of thousands dead in the UK. Once it ran out of high risk people was the virus going to decide to kill healthy people?”

25/04 –
“Somebody: One death was one too many
Me: This sort of mindset can lead to overreaction and not necessarily rational decisions”

113307 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Nobody2020, 27, #374 of 1402 🔗

I’m almost nostalgic for April when I had some hope that this would end.

113317 ▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #375 of 1402 🔗

Snap!

113331 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #376 of 1402 🔗

Yes, but :-
“April is the cruelest month, breedinglilacs out of the dead land, mixingmemory and desire, stirringdull roots with spring rain.”

114046 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #377 of 1402 🔗

Because we were told it would be for three weeks.

113313 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #378 of 1402 🔗

This is superb documentation. I am doing the same. No one can be excused.

113344 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #379 of 1402 🔗

No one can say that they couldn’t have known and done differently.
No one.

113324 tonys, replying to tonys, 11, #380 of 1402 🔗

BBC news just now with a story about a hospital chaplain and his therapy dog, cheerfully telling us how he and his lovely dog Jasper used to visit ‘end of life’ patients, but now as they are done on zoom, Jasper is only ministering to the staff, who may have been traumatised. Sums up the current state of the NHS pretty well.

113328 ▶▶ IanE, replying to tonys, 2, #381 of 1402 🔗

Now effectively renamed as the NCS: no prizes for guessing what the ‘C’ stands for!

113335 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to IanE, 3, #382 of 1402 🔗

I can think of a word, doubt it is the word your thinking of, but then I’m very industrial

113333 Phil Childs, #383 of 1402 🔗

Phillip Childs

113346 Graham, replying to Graham, 43, #384 of 1402 🔗

I think I am losing friends and it makes me very sad. As the hymn says, “once to every man and nation comes the moment to decide”, and this, in our lifetimes, is our moment. Two old friends have told me today that they chose the other path. That’s going to make it very difficult for our relationship in future. They are both very intelligent men.

One said, in answer to my complaints about tyranny, “I’m not sure about tyranny, unless that’s the way to describe the effects of a global pandemic” – and lots more about how he thinks governments have been too cautious; and, which seems to go with it, that he supports BLM and police defunding in the USA.

The other, when I said that I had not been complying with restrictions, told me to stay away from him and his wife.

Yesterday also (which ended up worsening my mood) I went to our local second hand bookshop. The owner is a true believer and, according to others in the village, even drives with a face visor on. The bookshop had a complicated one-way system, perspex screens at the checkout desk, and a ‘quarantine box’ for books which had been touched. To his credit, the owner didn’t chide me for not wearing a mask. I was the only person in the very large shop apart from him in his visor, which viruses cannot of course duck underneath. I asked him when he’d be getting back to normal, and he said “not until there’s a vaccine”.

I sometimes think I’ve lived too long. Perhaps it would have been better, I wonder, if I’d been born in the first decade of the 20th century. With luck I would have had a “good war” and an interesting career and died around the time of Tony Blair’s first ministry; I would have seen the end of communism but not the rise of radical Islam and the surrender of the West to righteous idiocy and self-deprecation.

113360 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Graham, 13, #385 of 1402 🔗

Yes, we don’t have a recognisable country any more – it is just Greta Britain now. I hope for, but no longer expect to see, better times.

113370 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Graham, 15, #386 of 1402 🔗

I have no doubt that many friendships have faltered and fallen during these past months. That is a real stab in the back, to be told to “stay away” from your friend and his wife. There are people we have not heard anything from for months. Thankfully our neighbours seem to be mostly sceptical and quite a few of the locals in our village, but I have a gut feeling that certain of our long-standing friendships are on very rocky ground. We are total sceptics; they are emotion-based and have NHS connections. They’ll never see the reality.
Matthew 10:34. “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.

113443 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to thedarkhorse, 11, #387 of 1402 🔗

Plenty of NHS sceptics too though, I think it depends on the persons attitudes to illness, if you think illness is a normal part of being alive perhaps you are going to be more like us on this site. My partner is thinking about sending Safety Mask song video by Media Bear to the Chief Executive of his hospital!!!!!

114491 ▶▶▶ NappyFace, replying to thedarkhorse, #388 of 1402 🔗

Our neighbours clapped NHS every week and now they have a BLM party every Thursday with big speakers put into the street which stops our kids sleeping. They are white and live in a £900k house.

113372 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Graham, 11, #389 of 1402 🔗

Maybe being born 20 years earlier would have sufficed.

You haven’t lived too long – we need sane people to keep the faith.

Sorry to hear about your friends – we have lost some too, but other friends and family have been solid and we hold fast to those relationships that are healthy for us.

113381 ▶▶ tallandbald, replying to Graham, 14, #390 of 1402 🔗

The man who runs my cycling group was a bedwetter. Posted on What’sApp back in May that as restrictions were easing would anyone like to go for rides in a “small” group again. I answered that as i had ignored all of the restrictions since they were imposed i would gladly go on rides in a group. I was promptly “digitally” ejected from the group without a comment.

114130 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to tallandbald, 1, #391 of 1402 🔗

OOPS!

113393 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Graham, 4, #392 of 1402 🔗

I am outspoken in my scepticism. It hasn’t caused any problems. I probably wouldn’t notice if it did though

113782 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to steve_w, 8, #393 of 1402 🔗

Likewise, but now I wait for them to bring the subject up which they invariably do, negatively. I pitch my response not according to their level of belief but what I think might sink in at short notice.
Last week I met a chap down here at a Retreat/Sanctuary, bound to be a wetter, but no.
Confirmed sceptic who gets all his info direct from ONS and crunches the numbers himself.
Today, for the first time someone started with “it’s a load of bollocks really, you know, the Covid shit”, we spent a few happy minutes comparing bolloxness stories.

.

113421 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Graham, 7, #394 of 1402 🔗

I am the same. But I feel I don’t want to be with those friends who do not feel like I. One told me last time I saw her she thinks only New Zealand have got it right and that they can be self sufficient for years to come! Good luck to them. Perhaps it’s best to these friends go and only be with people who we can talk to and get support from.

113450 ▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to wendy, 8, #395 of 1402 🔗

Haha yes I have a lifelong friend married to a Kiwi here and they both tried to mention New Zealand as if they’ve got it right. As she’s someone who has always been big on human rights (correctly) and a big believer in left wing politics, I just quipped about how I’m surprised she considers imprisonment of innocent people and closing the countries borders could possibly be considered a good thing and how that fits with her usual outlook… answer came there none, other than her contesting the imprisonment was under ‘armed guard’ as I had claimed and that they weren’t armed — as if that was the crucial point.

113433 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Graham, 7, #396 of 1402 🔗

“As the hymn says, “once to every man and nation comes the moment to decide”, and this, in our lifetimes, is our moment.”

Brilliantly put.

113506 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Graham, 10, #397 of 1402 🔗

They weren’t true friends then, just acquaintances.

I will readily admit I only have 2 real friends that meet the criteria my Dad told me:

Your real friend is the one sitting in the jail cell next to you when they came to help you out of trouble.

Both my true friends will do whatever they can to help if I called them – I know this would be next to nothing and not of much help but it would be everything they could do even if this is not a lot.

113541 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Graham, 4, #398 of 1402 🔗

Your bookshop owner is in for a long wait – it takes 10-15 years to develop a vaccine safely.
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation
Or of course he could accept any old placebo (whether harmful or otherwise) that he allows someone to stick in his arm.
PS – can you have a harmful placebo- seems a contradiction in terms?

113855 ▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #399 of 1402 🔗

Certainly people report side effects when double blind trials are run – obviously some of the participants are getting placebo.

114193 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Thinkaboutit, #400 of 1402 🔗

Did you mean to say “poisoned placebos”?

114135 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #401 of 1402 🔗

Yes because they put the adjuvants into the placebo.

If they just used saline but that would make the side effects of the real thing (and the adjuvants which are not harmless) less difficult to ignore.

114191 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #402 of 1402 🔗

Absolutely correct. It is the adjuvants that are the greatest danger in the “new class” of vaccines. The old versions were expensive to make and relatively safe by comparison.

114567 ▶▶▶ PreJennerAgain, replying to BTLnewbie, #403 of 1402 🔗

A placebo vaccine (saline?) would be very welcome right now, offer it to the bed-wetters, make them may a lot for it (paying for things makes the placebo effect stronger), use a really painful needle (a more intrusive delivery makes the placebo effect stronger)… Sadly I think a government so incompetent as to declare a lockdown because of a very much flu like virus genuinely could find a way to make a placebo be harmful.

114127 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Graham, 2, #404 of 1402 🔗

Sorry you’re having such a shit time. I gently whittled my friends down a long while back but I have a friend who’s currently in the process and it’s painful for her.

114181 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Graham, 5, #405 of 1402 🔗

This has unfortunately very much been the experience of me and my wife. We went through a “trial run” of thinning out our friends during the Br**it debate (actually, more a case of them “defriending” us) and it has continued through the Covid nonsense. We have had enough; there comes a time when we must all decide between doing what is easy and doing what is right.

As Graham says, this is our moment. We will be leaving behind all the bed-wetters, those who want continued submission to the collapsing EU, those who are compliant to tyrannical authority and those who attempt to enforce the same tyranny. It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees, and anyone who thinks that this has not been long-planned is deluded.

114404 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Graham, #406 of 1402 🔗

Oh, boy have I thought the same.

114543 ▶▶ nightspore, replying to Graham, #407 of 1402 🔗

Come on, where’s your sense of adventure?

113349 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 65, #408 of 1402 🔗

Finally went maskless in the supermarket today. No aggro, no questions asked. Reading today’s depressing update galvanised me. Before I was wearing one and pulling it down to my nose/chin and hating every second of it but enough is enough. I should have gone maskless from the start because I have a history of bad mental health which exempts me but I was more worried of any abuse I might receive from zealots, given how extraordinarily effective the fear propaganda has been at turning ordinary men against one another (and given that lots of shops are seemingly unaware of exemptions so I was worried they’d turn me away or try to humiliate me).

But I’m not worried anymore. I just refuse to participate in this twisted worldwide game of Let’s Pretend, where we all pretend that a deadly virus will kill us if we don’t abide by unscientific, illogical and contradictory rules, while children are being harmed in so many sick ways. It’s revolting and I almost cried at what I read this morning. This monstrous cruelty is the result of psychopathic career politicians, with no empathy or real life experience, who are too cowardly to correct their enormous lockdown mistake, allowing jobsworth bureaucrats with a slavish adherence to rules take charge of policy. These children may not be able to stand up for themselves so we have to do it for them.

113353 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Poppy, 7, #409 of 1402 🔗

Hear hear!

113359 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Poppy, 16, #410 of 1402 🔗

I go maskless in Tesco. No-one ever said anything to me about it. Always have a nice chat with the serving staff

113550 ▶▶▶ Cbird, replying to steve_w, 6, #411 of 1402 🔗

Me too. Never any hassle

114080 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to steve_w, 3, #412 of 1402 🔗

Me too – no-one looks at me and i just keep my head down and go round.
I am going to have to cave in to mask wearing at the weekend as i’m flying on holiday to europe and although i can’t bear the though of being in a masked hellhole throughout the trip i’m going to shut my eyes, put music on and dream of being on the beach!! Try to ignore it all and not get worked up/anxious!

114371 ▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Sue, 3, #413 of 1402 🔗

Apparently you don’t need a mask if you’re, eating, drinking or sleeping. Check with your airline. A bottle of water and a small bag of pretzels could last the whole fight!

113411 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Poppy, 24, #414 of 1402 🔗

Maskless when I shop but I am shopping as little as possible as it is very depressing seeing people in masks

113652 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to wendy, 10, #415 of 1402 🔗

Journeyed out for the first time on a train since the madness. Birkdale to Liverpool,, masks everywhere, Two uniformed blokes appeared, checking tickets and passes, I struggled to find mine, showed it ” thanks mate” and off they went no mention of me and wife’s maskless visages! Liverpool Central busy, masks everywhere, into several shops Cass Art, Mattas, Holland and Barratt, and a meal in The Egg veggie eatery, a few low key” measures ” but relaxed, back on train no problems, tho. unnerving surrounded by the muzzleoids in a small carriage.

114372 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to wendy, #416 of 1402 🔗

Me too.

113428 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Poppy, 16, #417 of 1402 🔗

Well done.

It gets easier every time.

Noticed a few days ago at the checkout free-faced with the wife that a few middle-aged woman came and stood really close behind us and listened in to the conversation when I was speaking to the till supervisor about an old man in a scooter that was having trouble breathing and to keep an eye on him.

We’d helped him to get something off a high shelf and he surreptisiously pulled down his mask and looked around guilty. Told him the exemptions and he could take it off and so on and he said he did ‘t want to in case someone agve him trouble.

Explained that only a Policeman could question him, told him the stock answer and explained that it could not be taken any further and so on. He looked relieved but still put his mask on but noticed he did take it off to breath better a lot more readily after.

Then went on to explain all the problems masks can cause and the woman behind us all looked a bit uneasy at that and started playing with teh muzzles and sanitising hands until I asked “was the sanitiser 70% alcohol as less than that and it will not work on a virus, it’s only an anti-bacterial”?

Anyone else notice on ITV 2 I think it is that the evening is now sponsored by ACNECIDE a facewash to combat acne? Is this because of the increasing numbers of people getting acne due to masks?

113429 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Poppy, 10, #418 of 1402 🔗

Excellent! Well done Poppy!

113456 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Poppy, 21, #419 of 1402 🔗

I have been doing it from day one. There is not much else I can do as I have stopped trying to reason with my friends and family. I was on a bus yesterday (mask less of course) and it was full so I stood next to a fully masked and glowed up middle aged larger lady. Still stood about a 1m away ,not because of the virus but because I respect people s personal space.The lady turned around, saw me , screamed and literary ran off the buss at the next stop..The society is fucked, all we can do is fight on.

114516 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Thomas_E, #420 of 1402 🔗

I have been bicycling since the Mandatory Masks Rule on all Montreal transport and I dread the end of my cycling time and being obliged to use public transport to get around this autumn and winter.

113510 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to Poppy, 10, #421 of 1402 🔗

Nice work Poppy 🙂 Hopefully it gave you the feeling that you have a bit more control over your life.

113545 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Poppy, 13, #422 of 1402 🔗

Well done, keep it up. I am maskless in all shops, been challenged just once by door staff, I replied “I’m exempt, thank you” and kept walking. When I chat to staff or other shoppers, it’s as if nothing is any different – nobody remarks at all, for or against. Sad in a way, but it works for me.

113560 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Poppy, 13, #423 of 1402 🔗

Well done Poppy, not worn a mask yet. Never will.
It’s all about confidence, hold your head up, stand tall. We are doing the right thing. And SMILE. 😀 👍

113563 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Poppy, 10, #424 of 1402 🔗

Go Poppy!

113577 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Poppy, 13, #425 of 1402 🔗

Well done Poppy! I’ve never worn a mask and never will do. All you need are the magical words: ‘I’m exempt.’

113614 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Poppy, 17, #426 of 1402 🔗

Well done Poppy –  I understand that for some people it can be nerve wracking. Never really bothered me – I enjoy it. Don’t get me wrong, I hate confrontation. But if I get it so be it. Since Day One I’ve had only one small bit of hassle – in a bank. Walked out and have put in a complaint (which I’ve yet to hear back on).

I’ve just had an argument with someone close who’s told me we can’t beat it and have to go with it. Saw red! Told them that it was people like them who were letting us all down.

Someone else I know said last week that they are wearing a muzzle out of respect for all the people who have died of covid.

Well I’m not wearing one out of respect for all the people who have been killed by treatable cancers and other illnesses by this shitfest, and all the other silent, forgotten and wilfully ignored victims. And as a two-fingered salute at a government and attitude towards life that I despise.

Today’s posting, from Will Jones, reads especially darkly – which is perhaps reflected in the comments here today. As far as I am concerned making a stand against this bollocks is a civic duty. Back through the ages people fought and died to attain the privileged society we had here until a few months ago. In comparison, not wearing a muzzle is a small easy thing.

Every time you go into a shop unmuzzled you should feel not nervous but proud.

114389 ▶▶▶ Lili, replying to TJN, 1, #427 of 1402 🔗

Hear hear!

113640 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Poppy, 10, #428 of 1402 🔗

Well done Poppy, hold your lovely maskless face high, and enjoy the air 😆

113856 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Poppy, 6, #429 of 1402 🔗

Well done and well said Poppy. You are completely right ,we must be the voice for all those who can’t stand up for themselves .No more ifs and buts THE VOICELESS NOW HAVE A VOICE and thats us. No more waiting for anyone to save us ,If we are going to make it through we need to put all personal arguments aside .No more of this left and right wing moaning we hear everyday on here.Next time any of us feels shit just think of those kids not only here but all over the world who are being treated like dirt .Its time to do everything we can individually and collectively to destroy this system before it destroys us and kills everything that freedom loving people hold dear.

114126 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Poppy, 5, #430 of 1402 🔗

I have only had one comment from a “door monitor” in a shop; he was the only masked employee in the shop, so he’s probably a “true believer”. I was wearing a lanyard and pointing to it shut him up. I suspect, however, that it was the look on my face that was more effective.

114156 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Poppy, 3, #431 of 1402 🔗

Beakthrough! Well done.

114362 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Poppy, 3, #432 of 1402 🔗

Poppy, you are a heroine! It’s not easy for everyone. You’ve done a good thing, including for those who haven’t yet found their own bravery. I do hope you feel able to carry on.

114447 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, #433 of 1402 🔗

Well done!!!!

113354 Cecil B, #434 of 1402 🔗

“What are we doing here”

https://youtu.be/K_DnRn9hyFU

113356 D B, replying to D B, 21, #435 of 1402 🔗

I just cannot wrap my head around why the govt. has committed such an act of self-sabotage to the economy, subsequently letting down EVERY single sector (except amazon, which is basically it’s own economy now and practically recession proof) and EVERY single socio-economic group be it age, gender or race.

It baffles me people are willing to hand over their freedoms, the rights and their access to the things that make life worth living on the back of some “fag packet” maths set out in March. The bias to their own folly is outrageous, a lack of willingness to see the evidence, and change narratives whilst simultaneously not having one. (previously SAVE THE NHS, down to, STAY ALERT, to whatever it is now)

Evidence based medicine and policy has gone down the toilet with the govt. seemingly reacting to twitter, newspaper headlines and devolved powers rather than forge their own path. Lockdown has and will kill people for years to come and it’s a complete waste of human capital.

I cannot see to what political end all of this turmoil is being carried out for, from muzzling the population, to revoking the right to free speech and right to protest (unless it’s for BLM), we’re clearly not going to be in a dictatorship any time soon so why take these actions…?

113363 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to D B, 7, #436 of 1402 🔗

“I cannot see to what political end all of this turmoil is being carried out for”

I can, it’s called self preservation and clinging on to power at any cost

113369 ▶▶▶ D B, replying to Cecil B, 4, #437 of 1402 🔗

But they’ve just been elected with a 80+ seat majority, there was no challenge to their power nor would there be until the next election so it can’t be that, not as if we were in open revolt before hand

113376 ▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to D B, 7, #438 of 1402 🔗

If the truth ever came out there would be trials, and they would be unelectable for the next 50 years

113378 ▶▶▶▶▶ D B, replying to Cecil B, 3, #439 of 1402 🔗

Thank god Labour ousted Corbyn then, I do think there is now a space for a reasoned and rational party somewhere to the right, with some empathy as one of its core values.

113384 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to D B, 7, #440 of 1402 🔗

even a rational party in the middle would do. and some minimum academic standard for would-be MPs. PhD in numerate subject for example.

113391 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ D B, replying to steve_w, 4, #441 of 1402 🔗

PhD’s aren’t idiot proof (see current SAGE committee), I would argue the trade off between social skills makes them even worse as an MP, but a degree or some reasonable other level of attainment yes.

113398 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to D B, 4, #442 of 1402 🔗

true. I think individuals need critical thinking skills and healthy scepticism. Neil Ferguson has a numerate PhD but seems to be unhinged with some sort of save the world messiah complex. Not sure how you filter them out

113416 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ D B, replying to steve_w, 1, #443 of 1402 🔗

I agree, bias training, critical thinking and some reasonable grasp of numbers would be a minimum for me. Unfortunately that’s not what we get in the overwhelming majority.

113424 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to D B, 3, #444 of 1402 🔗

my PhD comment was tongue in cheek. But I think numeracy leads to those critical thinking skills. I would just be happy for more scientists and engineers and less lawyers and PPE graduates.

113437 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to steve_w, 2, #445 of 1402 🔗

I have a PhD in a numerate subject, but I embarked on that after more than a decade of working in the real world, with the intention of continuing to work in the real world. I think that makes a difference.

113449 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #446 of 1402 🔗

I have a PhD in Physics. I also know others who do and are morons. I think you are spot on with your working in the real world comment. Many academics become institutionalised and ivory towered.

113451 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ D B, replying to steve_w, 4, #447 of 1402 🔗

I’m a Project Manager by degree and profession, I’ve thought about a job in the civil service with a view to delivering major projects and then a potential career in front-line politics, with this situation, I’m not sure I want to anymore.

113488 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to D B, 1, #448 of 1402 🔗

you should

114168 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Charlie Blue, #449 of 1402 🔗

This lot wouldn’t know the real world if they fell into it.

113455 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to steve_w, 9, #450 of 1402 🔗

I don’t think the Neil Ferguson aspect can be stressed too strongly. We know that his (and many other epidemiologists’) SIR model is a vastly oversimplified (a.k.a. wrong) version of how epidemics work. It takes no account of ‘shades’ of immunity.

We also allow the modellers to define what immunity (‘Recovered’) looks like: positive antibody tests, thus allowing mere modellers to pronounce on the real life spread of the virus. What makes us think that modellers understand viruses and immunity at all? Theirs is a self-referencing, circular world based on an elementary mathematical model. They have no need to understand the immune system beyond their own toy model. They can publish papers forever more without needing to leave the virtual world of their computer.

We also know that Ferguson fed some dodgy numbers into his model, as well. But I think that focusing on those is a red herring, because it seems to legitimise his model otherwise. The figures and the model are both wrong. Very, very wrong.

It is probably too late now, but everyone should understand that the narrative was originally defined by a fictional model, with dodgy values fed into it to boot.

113484 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #451 of 1402 🔗

I see the models as ‘what-if’ tools designed to elicit some understanding of how diseases progress due to levels of social contact in various situations. They have been misinterpreted as forecasts. The numbers in were junk too which doesn’t help. I think Ferguson looks for the highest numbers he can justify because that’s his schtick and he never got in trouble for doing it before. The models are a red-herring though. It doesn’t take 13,000 lines of code to multiply IFR by susceptible population to give deaths. The models don’t give us IFR or susceptible populations which are real world variables that need measuring

113539 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to steve_w, 1, #452 of 1402 🔗

I have reservations re recommending watching this, but have you seen the three films by Adam Curtis collectively titled ‘All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace’? He makes some very pertinent points about the limitations of models

113633 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to steve_w, 1, #453 of 1402 🔗

Yes, many people are getting hung up on the quality of his code, and so on, when in reality the main narrative regarding deaths was based on multiplying a dodgy number (the IFR) with the ‘final size’ value produced by the model which, being an SIR model, and supplied with a certain R0 value will settle on a fixed final size (80% or whatever). The quality of the code was a secondary issue – it was always going to give the 500,000 deaths answer.

114568 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ PreJennerAgain, replying to steve_w, #454 of 1402 🔗

Filter them out by only accepting people who are anti-authority and anti-health-and-safety. the intersection of “PhD in a hard science” with “anti-authority and anti-health-and-safety” gets you the really spectacular boffins.

113427 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to D B, #455 of 1402 🔗

From my experience with PhD holders, one does not equate with intelligence and certainly not pragmatism.

113431 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nsklent, 1, #456 of 1402 🔗

there are a lot of fake PhDs around (social sciences etc)

113624 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to steve_w, #457 of 1402 🔗

So that rules me out!

114176 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #458 of 1402 🔗

There are outliers 😉

113367 ▶▶ Julian, replying to D B, 6, #459 of 1402 🔗

The most obvious explanation is initial fear, panic, cowardice, lack of leadership, inability to make unpopular choices in the face of media pressue, and incompetence – something common to a lot of politicians hence the global cockup. Since then, they like the easy power, the glory, the attention, are afraid of admitting they were wrong as they know it will end their political careers.

113374 ▶▶▶ D B, replying to Julian, 10, #460 of 1402 🔗

Even then you have to admit the whole thing is bewildering, sure I get at the start no one really knows and as people were dying in reasonably high daily numbers do something, but once it has become apparent how docile this thing is I would want to be the leader who liberated the people from fear and illness and got the country back working before everyone else.

113380 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Julian, 11, #461 of 1402 🔗

200 counties in the world. Politicians ran the covid response in 199 of them. In Sweden it was run by the scientists. The simple fact is politicians and civil servants are all utter morons. How the hell does PPE from Oxford mean you can run anything? Politicians should not run anything. Their job is to tinker with the rules on how things run – not actually run anything.

113462 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to steve_w, 3, #462 of 1402 🔗

The WHO dictated the response under pressure from whom?
I agree our politicians are useless and we need to break the pattern of uni,party researcher,union organiser then in to party politics.I think Cameron’s only job was a pr man at Carlton TV.
They need some real life experiences before they tell us how to live our lives

113475 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #463 of 1402 🔗

under pressure from China.

But Sweden ignored them

114182 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #464 of 1402 🔗

Exactly. They way the WHO changes its tune weekly to prolong the antisocial measures is highly suspicious to me.

114499 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, #465 of 1402 🔗

Tedros is a psychopath. A former executioner. And, not a Doctor. Beware.

114178 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 1, #466 of 1402 🔗

If they’d pulled back from mockdown in May, they wouldn’t have as much to own up to now and they might have salvaged their careers. No hope of that now.
One lie begets another and so on, ad infinitem.

However, that’s only if you believe that it’s only been a succession of cockups.

113371 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to D B, 13, #467 of 1402 🔗

Its very difficult for people to admit to making mistakes. The bigger the mistake the harder it is to backtrack. “Sorry, our policies had no benefits but will contribute to millions dying across the world needlessly”. Throwing good money after bad, doubling down or whatever. That’s why we all need a ‘change in management’. We need new leaders that were not involved in the lockdown decisions.

113375 ▶▶▶ D B, replying to steve_w, 1, #468 of 1402 🔗

Unfortunately they’ll be with us for another 4 years give or take.

113405 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to D B, 6, #469 of 1402 🔗

a change at the top would do. 1922 committee. Wanksock can be scapegoated. Any moderate potential Boris replacements?

113407 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to steve_w, 1, #470 of 1402 🔗

Is Gove preparing to step up?

113408 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to wendy, 2, #471 of 1402 🔗

dunno. do you know what his covid position has been?

114188 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steve_w, #472 of 1402 🔗

Gove is so slippery you’ll never be able to guess his position on anything. I’ve never heard him give a straight answer to any question.

113440 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to wendy, 5, #473 of 1402 🔗

Every time I think of Gove, I am remided of that photo of him gazing up at Greta T, hanging on to her every word. Since then I cannot contemplate this numpty for any senior political office.

113446 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nsklent, 3, #474 of 1402 🔗

We *don’t* want someone who thinks Greta is the new messiah!

113553 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Nsklent, 1, #475 of 1402 🔗

Every time I look at a photo of him I think what a slimy piece of shit, what’s he hiding in his murky past?

113582 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #476 of 1402 🔗

Probably wrapping hamsters in facemasks and sellotape to stop them splitting when he f…..
No I won’t say it

114189 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nsklent, #477 of 1402 🔗

Photo op?

114502 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nsklent, #478 of 1402 🔗

Maybe he had the hots for her?

113445 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to steve_w, 3, #479 of 1402 🔗

Steve Baker, but he’s been far too silent for my liking over the last few months.. Unless this is deliberate, ie so he can see to be ‘clean’ and not have actively advocated for the recent draconian measures imposed on us? However I don’t think he was even in the Commons yesterday?

113459 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Carrie, 3, #480 of 1402 🔗

I like Steve as he is one of the few MPs who isn’t retarded. Has he been quiet? Or just that what he has said isn’t being reported?

114199 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steve_w, #481 of 1402 🔗

Check Hansard.

113495 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to steve_w, 5, #482 of 1402 🔗

I don’t think there is anyone who is up to the job at the moment that is in parliament.

Some others outside of Parliament but who will never get into it.

114505 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Awkward Git, #483 of 1402 🔗

How about the Labour Party leader. He needs to get some daily grief. Useless. Human Rights lawyer? Not anymore.

114185 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steve_w, #484 of 1402 🔗

Any volunteer would surely have to be insane at this point of economic disaster?

114501 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to D B, #485 of 1402 🔗

No they won’t.

114184 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to steve_w, #486 of 1402 🔗

Unfortunately the leader of our so-called Opposition consistently called for tighter mockdowns.
We have nowhere to turn.

113379 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to D B, 2, #487 of 1402 🔗

What political end?
 Totalitarian control.

113386 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to D B, #488 of 1402 🔗

To appease their overlords.

113425 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to D B, 5, #489 of 1402 🔗

We are in a dictatorship

114507 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #490 of 1402 🔗

And it’s not friendly anymore.

113479 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to D B, 1, #491 of 1402 🔗

Never let a good crisis go to waste. Its Disaster Capitalism in motion.

113482 ▶▶▶ D B, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #492 of 1402 🔗

I would be interested to see the current records on lobbying from PPE manufacturers (mainly China) and vaccine manufacturers in keeping us in lockdown as their sales/revenues are no doubt through the roof at the moment.

113574 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to D B, 2, #493 of 1402 🔗

A Boris said in his speech after he was elected,”This is a NEW DAWN for the United Kingdom” When he said that I knew we were in for big trouble.

I walked around singing “Tomorrow Belongs To ME” for about a week after that.

114166 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to D B, 1, #494 of 1402 🔗

Mutt Wankock is doing a pretty good impersonation of a dictator.

113357 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 4, #495 of 1402 🔗

Breaking News: Amazon to create 7000 new jobs.

Somehow that made me sad.

113435 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Silke David, 2, #496 of 1402 🔗

Did you see the post by Robert Kennedy on how much EXTRA profit Jeff Bezos has already made this year?

113478 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Carrie, 3, #497 of 1402 🔗

This

113501 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #498 of 1402 🔗

Thanks for posting – yes; it was that I was referring to!

114200 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, 1, #499 of 1402 🔗

At least he earned it by providing a service. Not like our skiving MPs.

113653 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Silke David, 1, #500 of 1402 🔗

YAY! An “OPPORTUNITY” to work in a Geoff Bezzos techno prison with a facemask and gloves. Seriously don’t buy anything from Amazon.

114569 ▶▶▶ PreJennerAgain, replying to Two-Six, #501 of 1402 🔗

It is worse than that, look at the articles that “The Register”(“El Reg”) has published the last few days about the conditions of workers(oops typo, should spell that S L A V E S ) at his warehouses.

114508 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Silke David, #502 of 1402 🔗

Getting ready for the Reset.

113358 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 24, #503 of 1402 🔗

Just dropped off 2 daughters at primary school. All pretty normal – bit of a 1-way system. nobody in a mask. Daughters know that covid doesn’t get kids (or adults unless they are terminally ill anyway). I taught them to pronounce covid-19 using their fingers to do the “inverted commas”.

113498 ▶▶ Lydia, replying to steve_w, 8, #504 of 1402 🔗

My daughter returned to Primary today. The only worry my daughter had was that she doesn’t know her times tables! Drop off pretty normal and a one way system in place and nobody in a mask. Mums stood outside gates chatting.

113511 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Lydia, 4, #505 of 1402 🔗

Buy her this game: Times Table Swat. So much fun! I played it during Lockdown with my daughter, and later with her and her friend (and her friend’s mum – who lost horribly). Helped her with her times table in no time.

113524 ▶▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #506 of 1402 🔗

Thank you. I’ll look into it.

113829 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Lydia, 5, #507 of 1402 🔗

She shouldn’t worry, Neil Ferguson doesn’t know his times tables either, judging by the quality of his work.

113361 mjr, replying to mjr, 4, #508 of 1402 🔗

BBC website main page … i.e “top story” – NY Black Man killed in police hood restraint
Interesting that BBC highlight this.. stress the colour of the victim, and make numerous links in the article to George Floyd and other white policeman/black victim events.
This is just usual BBC BLM BS.

The victim was high on PCP and clearly having mental issues.
“Police body camera footage obtained by the family through a public records request shows Mr Prude, who had been running naked through the streets in a light snow before police arrived, lying unarmed as officers restrain him on the ground.
The video shows that Mr Prude complied immediately when officers arrived on the scene and ordered him to lie on the ground and put his hands behind his back. He can be heard saying: “Sure thing, sure thing.”
He becomes agitated, at times swearing at the officers who surround him and spitting, but he does not appear to offer any physical resistance, according to the footage.
Mr Prude told officers he was infected with coronavirus, and they placed a “spit hood” over his head. “Spit hoods” are mesh fabric hoods placed over the heads of suspects to protect officers from a detainee’s saliva.
Critics who oppose their use say they are distressing and humiliating, can cause panic in the detained person, and make it harder to notice if a prisoner is having difficulty breathing.
One officer is seen pressing down with both hands on Mr Prude’s head and saying: “Stop spitting.”

So the BBC agree that spit hoods are depressing and humiliating …. cause panic…. difficult breathing,, So what is the difference between these and covid masks which the BBC wholehearted support (to the extent that on news this morning, one reporter was broadcasting from a completely empty airport terminal – not a single person anywhere to be seen,, wearing a mask ) .

113382 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to mjr, 17, #509 of 1402 🔗

Can we keep this site focused on the lockdown and not this race baiting horse shit?

We need to be a broad church if we want to end the lockdown. This race baiting is just being encouraged to divide people at the moment so that movements do not gain strength.

113410 ▶▶▶ D B, replying to JohnB, 7, #510 of 1402 🔗

I completely agree with this and it disappoints me daily to see articles about BLM etc

113414 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to D B, 4, #511 of 1402 🔗

I agree. I went to saturday antilockdown protests and felt I didn’t fit in. Too many loonies

113420 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to JohnB, 10, #512 of 1402 🔗

I agree totally.The BLM was a massive diversion at the time when we should have been questioning the lockdown.

114570 ▶▶▶▶ PreJennerAgain, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #513 of 1402 🔗

We should have “hijacked” their protests, made it look like they were all behind us (even when most probably weren’t). Things like “Black livelihoods matter, end the lockdown, let them re-open ther businesses, and while at it everyone else can re-open too”. or “We are locally ending lockdown in protest at police brutality against ethnic minorities”…

113472 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to JohnB, -1, #514 of 1402 🔗

Let me know skipper if this is horse shit…
3 days ago
Controversial spit hoods have been used 70 times in Edinburgh this year despite warnings that they could increase the risk of coronavirus transmission. Data obtained by Edinburgh Live under Freedom of Information laws showed the hoods were deployed by Police Scotland officers in Edinburgh 70 times.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-cops-used-cruel-spit-18856461.amp&ved=2ahUKEwjnncCk08zrAhWYgVwKHeHHAOEQFjABegQICRAI&usg=AOvVaw1HENv_aUxfQ-qejO1Wonzm&ampcf=1

113500 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 1, #515 of 1402 🔗

I couldn’t give a flying f*ck about spit hoods, my focus is on ending the lockdown. Once this has been achieved then maybe I’ll give a flying f*ck about spit hoods.

113523 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to JohnB, #516 of 1402 🔗

I think it’s quite important to understand how far reaching measures have become. Not only are police walking about with the political mask on their face when instructed they have also increased use of spit hoods. We haven’t seen UK police lifting pregnant women from their own homes yet, but our police are engaged in political policing. As a document of these times this is worth while recording.

Getting of with a more postive endeavor would be of more advantage than declaring what you are not giving a fuck about.

Political policing in the UK. That is a big deal. We got there through discussion. It is good.

113526 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, #517 of 1402 🔗

This is as mad as Holly Willoughby and Phillip Schofield yesterday!

114450 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JohnB, #518 of 1402 🔗

I agree but the latter half of Mrs post is about comparing spit hoods to masks so on topic.

114032 ▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, 1, #519 of 1402 🔗

Seems to have stirred up a few people.
You may not have noticed that the main point of the posting is about coronavirus and the use of spit hoods and the way that BBC take a different view of having to wear masks (this is good) and having to wear a spit hood (this is bad) when both are variations of the same thing.
This is just highlighting the BBC editorial policy on masks and lockdown
And this article was only noticed because of the prominence given to it by BBC by putting it on the main page (which would not have happened had the victim not been black). . Again a comment on the BBC editorial policies by giving some context .

113362 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 6, #520 of 1402 🔗

I must say I am a little bit worried for Matt (Cockup) Hancock, he did have that look of a mad person (PC correct here) when interviewed on BBC Breakfast this morning, perhaps we should section him and the rest of the government cabinet before it’s to late.

113432 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to cloud6, 6, #521 of 1402 🔗

Yes, this regular testing is complete madness – a comment on the Guido page regarding this is very insightful:

‘If you were planning on a method to totally control a population, this is how you’d go about it.
Everybody’s DNA on File
Everybody’s freedoms under total control of the state
Everybody conforming to the state
Scary stuff, I think the push back on this is going to be extreme.’

I only wish the commenter was right regarding the pushback! This regular testing is what was planned by that Irish organisation only the other day…

What will it take for people to WAKE UP?

113490 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to cloud6, 5, #522 of 1402 🔗

He was definetely getting flustered and on the defensive the other day on ITV evening news as well.

Hopefully he knows the game is nearly over and “we” are coming for him.

114212 ▶▶ DomW, replying to cloud6, #523 of 1402 🔗

Only takes one doctor now thanks to his beloved Coronaviris Act.

Do we have any psychiatrists in the house ?

113377 Caroline Watson, 22, #524 of 1402 🔗

The way in which secondary schools are being run under the ‘Covid laws’ sounds very much like the way that they were run 50 years ago. We didn’t have exclusions, of course (except for sleeping with male teachers and/ or getting pregnant!) but all that facing the front, walking around in silence and being randomly excluded from parts of the school sounds very familiar from my girls’ grammar school. The difference of course was that, after the first year, we took very little notice. I despair of teenagers today who seem to have lost the art of rebellion.
I suspect that many teachers secretly hate teenagers and are using this as an opportunity to impose a regime that they have been itching to impose for years, and are using ‘the virus’ to override the complaints of students and parents.
My message to teenagers would be, ‘There are more of you than them. Get organised and get rebelling!’

113385 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 24, #525 of 1402 🔗

Brief update from the front line as I ve finished my admin hour 5 minutes early . Fortunately I haven’t come across yesterday’s ” jumper ” with the laura ashley face nappy , I think she only comes out of the intermediate care office when she sees the coast is clear and was surprised that she found me ( a leper ) making tea yesterday.

Yesterday I also received an instant message from the office manager reminding me not to send patients to the front desk to book a blood test …despite the flexi glass I , Dr Peter, am obviously attempting to kill Emma the young and charming front desk girl who gets most of her info from GMTV .

One colleague told me that they couldn’t see the patient now as their visor was so scratched. I haven’t worn my visor for months, nor my bin bag . I really don’t see the point of wearing rubber gloves and face nappy when consulting a patient sitting a distance away from me who for the first time has significant mental health problems caused by loss of employment with the ending of furlough.

113399 ▶▶ Gillian, replying to Peter Thompson, 9, #526 of 1402 🔗

See that bloody f****r Dr Hilary on GMTV? Why does the GMC allow him to get away with it and why’s he not seeing patients at his practice instead of bullying Piers Corbyn on morning telly? Could a doctor answer please?

113461 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Gillian, 3, #527 of 1402 🔗

I share you thoughts about him. Look at his eyes. There is no compassion. The behaviours of his copresenters must surely be recognisable to him as unhealthy.

113485 ▶▶▶▶ Gillian, replying to Basics, 7, #528 of 1402 🔗

I never bothered much about him until the present crisis but highly resent the (false) medical authority which both he and the programme producers present him as. Millions of viewers hang on his every word. If you google him, you will find that he has a history of multiple extra-marital liaisons and resultant marriage break-ups. A man who can act like this in his personal life is quite capable of lying on a grand scale to the nation. No morals.

113509 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Gillian, #529 of 1402 🔗

Completely right, although his personal life is news to me. I never watched gmb until these times – important to know where the propaganda is coming from. I cannot add anything to your synopsis but just record that I recognise the same traits you accurately state.
His ginger stand-in has an equal support from producers.

113388 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 9, #530 of 1402 🔗

7 cases per 100k is widespread!? Lol.

113415 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 9, #531 of 1402 🔗

They’ve all gone fucking bonkers. Despite the data showing no deaths and knowing for bloody months and months now that this is a ‘bad flu’ they’ve all gone full on authoritarian nightmare mode.

113419 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mark II, 3, #532 of 1402 🔗

seems like a mild cold to me. most people asymptomatic, a few sniffles. But its new, so takes away the terminally ill. But they would have died this winter cold/flu season anyway

113418 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 6, #533 of 1402 🔗

7 false positives per 100k

113471 ▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to steve_w, 4, #534 of 1402 🔗

Headline : Cheltenham sees biggest rise in daily coronavirus cases in Gloucestershire, latest figures
Story: Cheltenham saw the biggest rise in coronavirus cases in Gloucestershire over the past 24 hours, according to the latest data from Public Health England released today (September 2). The town borough saw two more people diagnosed with the virus, taking the the total to 471.

There was {sic] also rises in Stroud and Tewkesbury, which both saw one more person diagnosed, taking the totals to 291 and 281 respectively.

In reality there may well be no new ‘cases’, meaning true positives, at all

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/cheltenham-news/cheltenham-sees-biggest-rise-daily-4480093

113547 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Strange Days, 1, #535 of 1402 🔗

some would still blame the Cheltenham festival for this

113555 ▶▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to crimsonpirate, #536 of 1402 🔗

LOL.

113586 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Strange Days, 1, #537 of 1402 🔗

Our local paper (Bracknell) proudly announced ‘8 new cases reported’. Not until you read further did you realise this was since last Friday and were just catching up after the bank holiday. The other local paper said correctly there was just one new case since yesterday. Real positives or not is anybody’s guess.

113604 ▶▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to davews, 1, #538 of 1402 🔗

Is that also Reach Media?

113646 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Strange Days, 2, #539 of 1402 🔗

One of them is, not sure of the other one. All these local newspapers are produced far away from the local area and probably couldn’t even pin point our town on the map.

113502 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to steve_w, #540 of 1402 🔗

Media now going down the false negatives route, ffs!

113412 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #541 of 1402 🔗

https://t.co/cDYwRhPCKF?amp=1

“Anti-Semitism is never far from the surface of these conspiracy theories,”

Marianna Spring, the BBCs finest Specialist DisMisinformation report has been at work to produce a hugely ugly piece of writing.

Marianna and Mike Wending appear to make up the BBC disinformation Unit. So orwellian in title I wonder if these are not two useful idiots used to front a behavioural nudge unit to harvest anger and outcry. They are pathetic specimens. The writing its truly awful- as bad as my own!

The narrative agenda setting headline runs – “How Covid-19 myths are merging with the QAnon conspiracy theory”

Yesterday evening about 9pm I posted a quick and dirty biography of marianna spring. In 2014 she left sixth form college. In 2016 she was writing for The Moscow Times, then a 55,000 circulation daily, in 2017 became a weekly. Her Cherwell newletter reports from Oxfords days show her to cover progressive agendas, all 76-8 of them.

She currently tweets complaining social media is giving her negative comments.

113423 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Basics, 6, #542 of 1402 🔗

Sigh… they tried it with Corbyn, and won, Now they try it with us. Idiots. We are against the dehumanisation and degradation of ALL people.

113643 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #543 of 1402 🔗

They didn’t ‘try’ it with Corbyn. They succeeded with Corbyn. Almost the entire media was complicit in manufacturing myths about ‘antisemitism’ that were actually the opposite of the truth (as several stringent analyses showed).

The propaganda was sustained by exaggeration, partial reporting and simple omission of contrary evidence.

It was what I saw happening in March/April that alerted me to the same techniques of propaganda being used about Covid – particularly by the BBC.

The vaccine was to go and look at the figures … with the result that we know.

The establishment didn’t want Corbyn at any price (thus Starmer); the establishment does relish social control (surprise, surprise).

SPI-B crept out of the woodwork. The Groan fulfilled it’s new (since about 2009) role and became a key funnel of establishment propaganda again ‘The MI6 House Journal’. The Beeb continued it’s subservient role, too.

… the rest is history

113695 ▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to RickH, 1, #544 of 1402 🔗

It’s not history yet.

The EHRC report into accusations of anti semitism in the labour party may very well be published this month…..

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/ymchwiliadau-ac-archwiliadau/investigation-labour-party

In fact, as it turns out, the only reason that we have the most useless prime minister ever in power is because the leader of the opposition at the last election was deemed to be even more useless:

Johnson was at minus 12 in the YouGov approval rating polling, Corbyn was at negative 40 .’

https://www.vox.com/world/2019/12/13/21004755/uk-election-2019-jeremy-corbyn-labour-defeat

The rest will be history………

113469 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 1, #545 of 1402 🔗

Was only a matter of time. Rolling out the h big guns

113499 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #546 of 1402 🔗

Big guns! Marianna will be pleased.

To be clear I’m saying smearing is the go to tactic of choice by the desperate establishment. The cannot win with reasoned argument. Facts are with us.

Incidentally – F.a.c.t.s. would appear a behavioural choice for slogan. Gives them the opportunity to reinforce their message.

In all honesty I don’t see a connection to anti-semitism being succesfully manufacured. Our reasons for being against lockdown and its associated oppression have always stood alone to fuel our indignation. There is nothing deeper, underlying, it is just effing wrong. For all humanity.

113676 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Basics, #547 of 1402 🔗

There’s a contact email address for Wendling if you follow the link in Basics’ post above. If anyone feels like setting him straight on what are basic, core sceptic positions.

113698 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Julian, #548 of 1402 🔗

This was his answer to me. Whatever one thinks of him or of the piece he wrote, it’s a good summary of what we face. It’s tricky because we want to be a broad church and some of what he says is a conspiracy theory is quite possibly true, but if the objective is to appeal to Joe Public and change his mind then I think we need to be harder to attack. I intend no disrespect to people’s quite legitimate points of view on the motives behind what is happening, nor do I intend any disrespect to people like Piers Corbyn who is fighting for what he believes in. Just considering tactics.

Hi XXXXXX–
Let me be very clear. Of course there is a legitimate debate over government policy and legitimate questions to be asked. Many of the arguments and people you have mentioned have been reflected in a variety of BBC News reports. We’ve done a number of pieces about the Swedish approach, to take just one example.
However what we saw last Saturday was something very different. The organisers may have tried to tempt in people with the idea that they were simply dissenting from government policy. But the speakers repeatedly spouted bad science and conspiracy theories.
If you look at our health and political coverage online you’ll see a range of opinions and trustworthy information about what is still a very fluid, developing situation.
Thanks very much for reading.
Kind regards
Mike

114119 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Basics, #549 of 1402 🔗

It’s not the normal run of the mill Jews that are behind it, they are being played as much as everyone else.

It’s the Zionists, Khazarian Mafia, Ashkenzis – all “faux Jews” that are driving it.

Unfortunately the average Jew gets tarred with the same brush and blamed as they are an easy target.

113426 IanE, replying to IanE, 12, #550 of 1402 🔗

Today’s posting must be the most depressing so far. Never could I have believed the depths of depravity shown by so many of today’s political leaders; and where next will they go? Oh to have been born twenty years earlier!

113436 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to IanE, 9, #551 of 1402 🔗

This can of worms only opens from the inside. When the blame games start we will be making progress. As far as I can see, SAGE didn’t recommend lockdown. That was a Boris panic

113536 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to steve_w, 2, #552 of 1402 🔗

to recast an old joke about Harold Wilson there is probably one on Boris desk that says “the buck starts here”

113434 Dorian_Hawkmoon, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 12, #553 of 1402 🔗

Having been shaken and distressed by the Merseyside parent’s report, which I am sure is widespread, I need to make the point that, while we all knew teaching unions and heads would adopt this spiteful ‘taking my bat n ball home’ approach, the blame will be squarely at Gavin Williamson’s door if they are allowed to get away with this cruel and despicable torture of our children. He has already failed to get them into line once. He must not fail again!

113465 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Dorian_Hawkmoon, 6, #554 of 1402 🔗

For a court case to be taken a childs name has to be attached to avail of legal financial support. A parent taking the case would need to self fund.

There has to be discussions underway somewhere to take these people to court for such rules and threats in schools you’d think. As soon as a child is excluded for not wearing a mask they’d be in hot water as there is no law to back it.

113438 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 22, #555 of 1402 🔗

Some musings, I’m not looking for any sympathy or anything.

1. Since the start of the year 2 people I knew have died of cancer. My uncle and a work colleague. I’m thankful they both died before lockdown so they didn’t suffer. This isn’t a rare occurrence in the grand scheme of things but I still know more people who have died of cancer compared to ‘it’.

2. My best mate diligently worked through lockdown and then a month ago out of the blue was told he didn’t have a job, thankfully this week he has found another job.

3. 2 very good friends of ours announced to us day before yesterday that they have separated and have decided to divorce. Both admitted lockdown has contributed.

4. 2 other friends have separated, see above.

5. As mentioned before my cousin suffered some mental illness due to him being forced into lockdown – he lives in Cornwall but was visiting my elderly aunt in London but as she was deemed to be vunerable he was locked down and struggled to cope looking after her.

6. My second cousins husband suffered some mental illness as he was on the verge of losing his job.

Lockdown has really worked!!!

113441 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to stefarm, 10, #556 of 1402 🔗

we will be picking the bones out of lockdown for 20 years

113444 ▶▶▶ D B, replying to steve_w, 6, #557 of 1402 🔗

There will be trials and enquires and they will just tie up the results, we will never get to see them, when they are published they will be spread out and buried in 1,001 reports and pages and pages of documents.

113448 ▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to D B, 3, #558 of 1402 🔗

Yes, sadly I think you are right. Roll on the revolution!

113464 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to D B, 7, #559 of 1402 🔗

they can’t hide it. After the winter everyone will see that Sweden was right. There will be plenty or people shouting it and plenty of people denying they ever agreed with lockdown. Iraq WMD came out eventually. That would have been easier to hide. You can’t hide this. People either die or they don’t

113470 ▶▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to steve_w, 9, #560 of 1402 🔗

The example of Sweden has been in plain sight front of us for at least four months. I doubt one person in a hundred in this country has noticed it though.

113493 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Liam, 4, #561 of 1402 🔗

the media has been mis-reporting their figures in an attempt to support lockdown here. These mass delusions only carry on for so long.

114365 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Liam, #562 of 1402 🔗

The MSM have always brought in the care home numbers and the argument gets lost. Doesn’t help that Sweden’s economy was hit most badly by other countries’ lockdowns.

113584 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to steve_w, 3, #563 of 1402 🔗

Burying the bones more like. Not one of the instigators will suffer though, only ordinary people, kids, elderly, disabled and so on. I really don’t have words for the how callous these morons are being. Is it still illegal to ‘hate’?..

113466 ▶▶ wendy, replying to stefarm, 10, #564 of 1402 🔗

All very sad Stefarm. I am sure we are all in the same boat too. How could the government have not understood what their policies would do. Funerals not attended, people alone and afraid, friendships lost. Suicides are definitely much increased as my critical care anaesthetist friend tells me. He feels in such a powerless place. He is like us, can’t make the Government change tack and can’t help the poor people who have reached the limits of their resources and ended their lives.

113580 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to wendy, 8, #565 of 1402 🔗

I think government understand all too well the consequences of their cowardice. I’ve lived a pretty routine middle of the road life up to now but the last 6 months have opened my eyes.

113581 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to wendy, 7, #566 of 1402 🔗

They understood perfectly. Government is not our friend.

113632 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to stefarm, 3, #567 of 1402 🔗

One of our cousins got sectioned under the mental health act back in April. She went totally psychotic. She has just been discharged. Thanksfully she seems to be much better now.

The lockdown caused it, she was doing well at her job before lockdown and it was keeping her on the level.

113824 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Two-Six, 1, #568 of 1402 🔗

Glad she is doing well, I’ve had some pretty dark days but now I think fuck it and fuck them, if I’m going out I’m going to go kicking and screaming

113447 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 33, #569 of 1402 🔗

Got this one through the Daily Wail’s non-modertaion on the story about Tory MPs now starting to kick up a fuss as polls show they are in trouble:

“So now the MPs say something. For 6 months they have been silent and supine including the 1922 committee refusing to answer letters, not holding Government to account, silent while policies designed to drive up deaths were followed, silent while the NHS let people die alone and with out human contact, silent while the social fabric of the country was destroyed, silent while they turned people and families against each other, silent while they made millions unemployed, silent which drove millions into debt and hunger, silent while the NHS shutdown and will cause hundreds of thousands of collateral deaths and silent while this country is being deliberately destroyed and now they speak up because polls show they are in trouble. They should all of them including Starmer who wants a longer, harder lockdown be out of power today.”

Now they look like they will lose an election they start asking questions.

Why have they all been silent and therefore culpable in the past 6 months? Craven, supine cowards.

113483 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #570 of 1402 🔗

Ditto the Democrats in the U.S., now starting to criticise the riots and deaths because the polls are going against them.

The Tories are no better than the Democrats and have been following the same policies. The only difference is that we don’t (yet) have widespread rioting and violence on the streets.

113576 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #571 of 1402 🔗

Great comment Awkward, chilled me to the bone to read it. I don’t have your ability to write like you do, in fact language and description of what is now happening is repeatedly failing nowadays. My Missus has noticed that I swear much more than I used to… 🙂

114369 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Arnie, 1, #572 of 1402 🔗

I suspect we all do. Even my very clean-mouthed friend dropped several b words last time we spoke.

113638 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #573 of 1402 🔗

I told my MP that due to her “supine acquiescence” she is responsible for the the worst calamity to ever befall the British Isles for a very very long time.

Not that that made any difference to her of course.

113961 ▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #574 of 1402 🔗

Thanks Awkward.
Have copied this and will send it to my useless Tory Guildford MP, Angela Richardson – who has not even acknowledged my two previous emails.

114001 ▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to James Bertram, #575 of 1402 🔗
114114 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to James Bertram, 2, #576 of 1402 🔗

Glad you liked it.

My anger is building by the day.

113452 Cecil B, 4, #577 of 1402 🔗

Covid Laws= Nuremberg Laws

Oh how history repeats itself

113458 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 13, #578 of 1402 🔗

Seeing Alan Jones on Sky Australia reminds me of Walter Kronkite re Vietnam war and the way he changed US opinion. Hope Alan can do the same in Australia. Meanwhile in the UK….

113486 ▶▶ Basics, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #579 of 1402 🔗

Alan Jone is good to see. His voice is needed in that latest situation and the rest.

Can anyone explain the obvious coporate difference between Sky Aus and Sky Uk? How can the same brand hold such opposite political stances? Is there a known working policy I’m unaware of? Thanks.

113503 ▶▶▶ Humanity First, replying to Basics, 6, #580 of 1402 🔗

I was also wondering the same.

Also, interesting to note that in the U.S the main dissenting voice on MSM is Tucker Carlson on Fox.

Plus, yesterday, Simon Dolan linked to a Sun article (which was also posted here) showing the ridiculously small odds of anyone dying from covid in the UK.

Fox, Sky and the Sun are all Murdoch-owned.

Murdoch himself is definitely part of the billionaire/’big money’ establishment, and will be onboard with the ‘Great Reset’ project.

So in the end are we still being played?

113528 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Humanity First, #581 of 1402 🔗

Murdoch papers and media are definitely pro-lockdown and harsh measures apart from a couple of columnists / presenters. I think they feel like they have to throw a few crumbs to the sceptics every now and again – but they are full steam ahead with the great reset and social engineering project. The Times has become like an establishment mouthpiece this year – perhaps it always was but i didn’t notice before!

Murdochs son gave a very large donation to BLM recently so he is very much behind the chaos going on in America. They play us for a fool.

113521 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Basics, 3, #582 of 1402 🔗

Sky UK is owned by Comcast-I think Sky Australia is owned by News Corp Australia

113569 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to crimsonpirate, #583 of 1402 🔗

Yep that is the critical difference.

113620 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Arnie, 1, #584 of 1402 🔗

Interesting the identities remain so alike. Thanks for all the info above.

It’s is on my mind this is msm regardless so better to keep that in mind than subscribe to any single outlet.

113615 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, #585 of 1402 🔗

Comcast are mooted to be making a take over bid for Black Lives Matter

113597 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Basics, #586 of 1402 🔗

Murdoch sold Sky UK to ComCast a couple of years ago.

113626 ▶▶ RickH, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #587 of 1402 🔗

I’d like to think that you were right. But the 1960s-70s was a different era, with a solid baseline of opposition that is invisible today.

This is a much more controlled era – society has advanced backwards.

113463 Old Mum, 2, #588 of 1402 🔗
113473 Lms23, 4, #589 of 1402 🔗

“Hospital has ‘closed its doors’ to patients, LMC warns NHS
England

GP leaders have written to NHS England to demand that an NHS hospital trust urgently restores routine referrals as it has ‘closed its doors’ to some patients, ‘destabilising’ practices in the process.

Oxfordshire LMC said local GPs are ‘concerned and angry’ about the ‘ongoing closure’ to routine referrals across multiple ‘high-demand’ specialties by Oxford University Hospital Foundation Trust, while warning GPs are also being asked to carry out tests that should be done in hospital.

A ‘significant’ number of specialties are affected, including ENT, general gynaecology, dermatology, ophthalmology, endoscopy and urology, as well as plastics and maxillofacial, it added.

The hospital trust said it had remained open for urgent and emergency care and was accepting clinically urgent and suspected cancer referrals, while reinstating services to support ‘the vast majority’ of routine referrals.

In April, NHS England told GPs to continue referring patients to secondary care despite restrictions on elective care due to Covid-19.

Last month, it outlined that trusts must make their e-referrals service ‘fully open’ to GPs.

But Oxfordshire LMC has this week written to NHS England and the council of governors at OUHFT to demand that there are ‘no further delays’ in restoring the services amid concerns of ‘patient harm’.

It said: ‘The LMC believes the continuing closure of some specialty services to routine referrals is now so serious for patients that it has taken a decision to formally raise the concerns of Oxfordshire’s GPs with NHS England.’

Oxon LMC chair Dr Raman Nijjar added that GPs are being asked to carry out tests that ‘should be done in hospital’ and are ‘unable to progress a patient’s care in the way they wish’ because services remain closed.

He said: ‘The reopening of these services for routine referrals is now urgently needed.

‘This disturbing situation at Oxford University Hospitals must not continue as it’s causing anxiety to patients and also having a deeply destabilising effect on local doctors’ surgeries.’

Joint chief executive of the regional LMCs Dr Matt Mayer added that the trust’s position ‘appears to be at odds with the national picture, which sees most hospitals again accepting all routine patient referrals’.

The LMC added that it is ‘understandable and a necessity’ that hospitals have had to focus on urgent unplanned care due to the coronavirus pandemic.

‘But our biggest local hospital cannot effectively close its doors on some of its patients for many months and give up on some of its healthcare duties in this respect,’ it said.

In a joint statement from OUHT and Oxfordshire CCG, the organisations said: ‘Throughout the pandemic, OUH was able to treat Covid-19 patients by asking staff to move from their normal activities to support affected patients. OUH remained open for emergency and urgent care, but in line with the rest of the UK routine and elective procedures were stopped.

‘During Covid-19, OUH continued to accept clinically urgent and suspected cancer referrals from GPs, and continued to carry out urgent and emergency treatment.

‘OUH is now able to reinstate services to support the vast majority of routine referrals, including plastic surgery and urology. GPs can continue to make routine referrals across all specialties, but some areas in high demand will see patients seen and treated outside of OUH.’

They added: ‘Patient and staff safety is an absolute priority for us, and we need to reinstate services in a safe and effective way.’

It comes as health secretary Matt Hancock this month signalled that he wants GPs to continue to consult patients who would typically be seen in secondary care – with specialist help – after the Covid-19 pandemic comes to an end.

Throughout the Covid-19 pandemic, GPs have warned that they are managing more patients ‘outside their comfort zone’ due to increased ‘workload dumping’ from secondary care services.

Last month, an audit by the Royal College of Physicians revealed some specialties could take up to two years to clear their referral backlog – following similar concerns raised by GPs in Liverpool.

And GP leaders warned that hospitals rendered ‘untouchable’ by coronavirus measures were still rejecting around 75% of referrals and ‘reverse delegating’ patients back to their GPs.

At the beginning of the pandemic, NHS England had acknowledged that there would be reduced capacity in secondary care but said that GPs should continue to refer.”

The GPs are extremely unhappy about all this.
Several have commented that the hospitals are getting paid whether they see patients or not, so they’re not seeing patients, just bouncing referrals back to GPs.”

http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/hospital-has-closed-its-doors-to-patients-lmc-warns-nhs-england/20041326.article

113474 BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 14, #590 of 1402 🔗

BobT posted earlier today about PCR testing and the fact that positive tests would be negative if they reduced the number of cycles. He tried a calculation of the impact.

This work has actually been done in a New York lab – I don’t have the source other than a quote from the Daily Mail here:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8679307/Experts-say-USs-coronavirus-positivity-rate-high-tests-sensitive.html
“New York’s state lab Wadsworth analyzed cycle thresholds values in already processed COVID-19 PCR tests and found in July that 794 positive tests were based on a threshold of 40 cycles.
With a cutoff of 35, about half of those tests would no longer qualify as positive. About 70 percent would no longer be judged positive if the cycles were limited to 30.
In Massachusetts, from 85 to 90 percent of people who tested positive in July with a cycle threshold of 40 would have been considered negative if the threshold were 30 cycles, Mina said.
‘I would say that none of those people should be contact-traced, not one,’ he said.”

Now that deaths and hospitalisations have disappeared, all the concentration is on ‘cases’. But,  90% of the time a ‘case’ is not even an ‘infection’. More proof of the comment that, overwhelmingly, the main symptom of testing positive is that you are perfectly healthy.

People simply don’t ‘get’ this – I sent the link, and Toby’s charts from yesterday, to a sensible friend who believes the gov’t has been doing its best in a tricky situation – and from his reply I could see the light-bulb switching on.

113516 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #591 of 1402 🔗

is the daily mail the leading sceptic newspaper? I don’t read them.

113562 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to steve_w, 4, #592 of 1402 🔗

Steve, I don’t read them either but that’s two stinging articles in two days that I have read from them. And the comments sections are great! I will be paying a little more attention to the DM in the next few days and weeks but my BS filters will be on the high setting!

113583 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Arnie, 3, #593 of 1402 🔗

I follow the links to them from here and like to look at the best comments which always show how the wind is blowing! telegraph seems to do some sceptic stuff. Not sure about express. Guardian, I read the CIF for a laugh. Its just teachers who dont want to go back to work I think

113591 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to steve_w, 2, #594 of 1402 🔗

No. Its fear mongering has been off the scale for months, with a very occasional sceptic article thrown in.

113611 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to steve_w, 4, #595 of 1402 🔗

the articles are getting more sceptical. Peter Hitchens writes for Mail on Sunday which has a different editor.

113476 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 2, #596 of 1402 🔗

“NHS England has encouraged GPs to ‘keep patients away from hospital’, despite recent messages to restart routine care.

In the latest update to the GP standard operating procedures, NHS England said GPs should continue to use specialist advice and guidance ‘where available’ to avoid referring patients for outpatient appointments.

But GP leaders said the guidance is ‘disingenuous’.

Throughout the Covid-19 pandemic, GPs have warned that they are managing more patients ‘outside their comfort zone’ due to less support from secondary care services.

And one LMC last week warned NHS England that its local hospital has ‘closed its doors to patients’.

However, the standard operating procedure reiterated that GPs should ‘continue to refer patients’ to secondary care, basing judgements around urgency on ‘usual clinical thresholds’.

The document said: ‘GPs should continue to use specialist advice and guidance where available to inform the management of patients in primary care and avoid unnecessary outpatient activity.

‘These services should strengthen existing care pathways and keep patients away from hospital settings unless a referral is necessary.’

It added that they should take into consideration the ‘need for non-face-to-face consultations, likely delays in restarting routine elective activity and communicating likely delays to patients at point of referral’.

Lincolnshire LMC medical secretary Dr Kieran Sharrock told Pulse that the guidance is ‘disingenuous’.

He said: ‘We don’t make referrals just because we feel like doing them – we only make them when we feel they’re necessary.

‘Clearly we have to try and avoid sending patients to hospital where there’s a risk of Covid and so what we should be able to do is make referrals and then the hospital assesses whether or not the patient needs to be seen.’

Dr Sharrock added that not all specialties in Lincolnshire are accepting advice and guidance referrals, while others follow pathways that create delays which could mean the referral ‘doesn’t actually happen’.

He said: ‘For instance, you make a referral for advice and guidance and the advice is ‘refer this patient to see me in outpatients’, which just creates delay for the patient [and] bureaucracy for the GP practice.

‘We don’t really understand why if a specialist feels they need to see a patient they can’t just refer them directly to their own clinic or make some arrangement to assess them virtually via video consultation or telephone.’

He added: ‘We are warning patients [about delays] but if they then do want us to refer because we can’t manage their condition then what other choice do we have?’

Since April, NHS England has told GPs to continue referring patients to secondary care despite restrictions on elective care due to Covid-19.

Last month, it outlined that trusts must make their e-referrals service ‘fully open’ to GPs.

But an audit by the Royal College of Physicians revealed some specialties could take up to two years to clear their referral backlog – following similar concerns raised by GPs in Liverpool.

Meanwhile, health secretary Matt Hancock this month signalled that he wants GPs to continue to consult patients who would typically be seen in secondary care – with specialist help – after the Covid-19 pandemic comes to an end.”
http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/gps-should-keep-patients-away-from-hospital-says-nhs-england/20041358.article

113596 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Lms23, 3, #597 of 1402 🔗

I think that the actual NHS England management/bureaucracy at national level needs close examination.

Staff working for the NHS have received a lot of slagging – but it is what is imposed on them that is suspicious.

Who is making these absurd decisions; to whom do they owe allegiance; how were they appointed to their roles?

113496 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #598 of 1402 🔗

Jeremy Hunt says UK should embrace repeat testing as route to more ‘normal life’

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/02/mass-weekly-covid-19-testing-of-population-to-be-trialled-in-england

Here’s the tell:

….. “I think this mass testing could potentially be linked to an app on your phone so that you could show people on your phone the last time you got tested.”

Hunt said mass testing was the key tool against the virus before a vaccine was developed. “In fact, if you had population testing there’s no reason why you, theoretically, would need to have social distancing: you could pretty much carry on life as normal because you’d just know that everyone you’d mix with had been tested very, very recently,” he told ITV’s Acting Prime Minister podcast.

….. In Southampton, the second phase of the pilot will trial the weekly testing at the University of Southampton and four Southampton schools. More than 2,100 pupils and staff across four schools will be invited to have a test.

Another u-turn?

The schools minister, Nick Gibb, said last month there were no plans to test pupils and teachers without symptoms . “The advice that we have is that it’s better to test when people actually show symptoms,” he said.

113518 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #599 of 1402 🔗

So just like the ‘plan’ in the Irish infection passport then…hmmmm

113546 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #600 of 1402 🔗

In fact, if you had population testing there’s no reason why you, theoretically, would need to have social distancing: you could pretty much carry on life as normal

Doesn’t sound very normal to me. The power has gone to their head.

113552 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to stefarm, 5, #601 of 1402 🔗

Here’s a radical thought Mr Hunt: Ignore the bullsh1t and carry on as normal. You’re welcome!

113566 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #602 of 1402 🔗

Jeremy Hunt is an idiot.

In his comments on 21st July 2020 as Chair of the parliamentary Committee on Health and Social care he stated quite clearly that social distancing was law in England.

I wrote to him to put him straight on this and a few other things he said during that hearing and he never even acknowledged the e-mail with an auto-reply.

113608 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #603 of 1402 🔗

Just to point out. Flashing you phone screen at some door goon isn’t going to work. A screen capped Tested:Go:Green:AOK image can be fired around the internet faster that a sneeze of your favourite virus.

The pass system will be hooked back in to large databases.

I know this is all obvious!

113609 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #604 of 1402 🔗

Lunatic, there’s no other word. Maybe the app can also keep track of any negative thoughts. Come to think of it, isn’t that exactly what the Chinese are doing? Restrict your freedom if you don’t comply.

113622 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #605 of 1402 🔗

Given what we know, and what the WHO once said (which is that testing is a daft idea in terms of controlling infection on a wide scale), it seems to me that there are only about three reasons for advocating such a measure :

  1. arse covering (‘do something!’)
  2. sustaining the vansihed reason for the panicdemic
  3. Kerchiiinggg!
113504 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #606 of 1402 🔗

Prompt email from my daughter’s headteacher today, about my concerns for her restart on Monday.

Thank you for your email. I have forwarded the email I opened today to the Health and Safety Advisor at Wrexham LA. We are following Welsh Government Advice and guidance which is statutory for Welsh schools.”

So her hands are tied. But at least she’s forwarded my email further up the chain.

My aim is to ensure all pupils, staff, their families and our school communities are kept as safe as possible. I need to also ensure parents are confident that we are putting measures in place to reduce as much transmission as possible. I have had many positive comments from Parents across all 3 schools to thank us for this .”

So a lot of these measure are evidently to persuade the tremblers that their little ones are safe to return to school.

I was also informed that I am only able to converse with my daughter’s new teacher via telephone.

She did say this to me:

“As far as I am aware the transmission of COVID is more likely for all adults, which is why we need to continue to adhere to the guidance. “

Can any of you help with suggestions on how I can respond to that claim with a few facts and figures explaining the likelihood (unlikelihood!) of transmission at this moment of time? And indeed whether transmission is actually something to be worried about – quite a few of the children live with relatives who are ‘shielding’, by the sounds of things.

Thanks!

113517 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #607 of 1402 🔗

Didn’t someone quote yesterday that there is currently a one in 44,000 chance of contracting covid 19 in the UK? Or was it even lower than that?

113559 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Carrie, #608 of 1402 🔗

That figure will surely be based on ‘postive tests’. Yet we now know that most positive tests don’t show that a person has an active and transmissible virus, merey viral fragments. I suspect the chances are far more remote than that.

113585 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Carrie, #609 of 1402 🔗

I’v been trying to tie down that figure, but it is difficult, since there is so much estimate in any calculation.

The ONS Covid Survey, which, although flawed is, I think, honest, comes up with a current mid-estimate of 1 in 1,900.

However, this is derived from PCR testing.

If we take a figure (highly contestible) of 28% being the rate of positive tests that actually indicate infection and illness, the we end up with a mid-point estimate of ~ 1 in 7000 to 10000.

We then need to re-calculate according to the odds of actually catching Covid from such a low probability of actually meeting it.

Can anyone do any better?

113602 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to RickH, 1, #610 of 1402 🔗

It means that my estimate a couple of weeks ago of 1:100.000 of dying from Covid is several magnitudes too high..

114144 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Carrie, #611 of 1402 🔗

Tim Harford, I think. Today is one in 40,000. Was on Jeremy Vine at lunchtime.

113537 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #612 of 1402 🔗

What’s the council HS+E got to do with anything?

It’s up to the individual premises to do their own research and risk assessemnt.

I have it in writing form the local councils down this way they have :

  • done zero research themselves
  • have zero scientific evidence from central government
  • the generic risk assessment forms came form somewhere but don’t know where
  • they will not advise anyone on HSE or risk assessments as it’s not within their remit
  • as long as you have your own researched risk assessment and follow it then they are powerless as it the Health and Safety Executive that has the enforcement powers on HSE matters, not the council
  • the councils refused to answer my question that if a premsies followed their and government guidance to the letter, there was an incident and they premises used “I was following guidance 100%” as their defence would the council be in the dock as co-defendent as it was their risk assessment that was used? – refer back to above point.
114375 ▶▶ DickieA, replying to Mr Dee, #613 of 1402 🔗

Take them out of the poor performing Welsh education system. See if your chldren can get into an English school. Bishop Heber in Malpas is particularly good and has buses that pick students up in Wrexham

113507 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 10, #614 of 1402 🔗

I really wonder what the Behavioural Insights Team are playing at when reading what they are doing the education sector. It’s like they are conditioning the young to be subservient, submissive and unquestioning of authority. If they get away with this for a long period of time they will change the behaviour of an entire generation.

The Behavioural Insights Team are pretty much the puppet masters at the moment but don’t receive any media or public scrutiny (hardly anyone is even aware of our new rulers). Ministers seem like spokespeople who take all the criticism and MPs -what is the point of them now?

113514 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Darryl, 2, #615 of 1402 🔗

Remember that according to UK column several months ago, the long-term intention is for schools never to re-open..

113571 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Carrie, 1, #616 of 1402 🔗

I don’t think that is an objective – they are too useful as potential tools of social control.

UK Column does some good analysis of Covid, but I find some of its other obsessions a bit barking.

113587 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to RickH, 4, #617 of 1402 🔗

They certainly do a very good job highlighting the real power structure behind government. There are a lot of people with much more power than MPs and Minister who are completely unknown by the public or seemingly the media.

113525 ▶▶ DespairSquid, replying to Darryl, 13, #618 of 1402 🔗

I don’t think it’s too much to say that the state is waging a propaganda war on its own people.

113542 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to DespairSquid, 5, #619 of 1402 🔗

Squid, I think it’s a fact. In fact it’s just a fact. No other explanation works to my way of thinking.

113578 ▶▶▶▶ Humanity First, replying to Arnie, 3, #620 of 1402 🔗

Agreed. And there is a term for those who intentionally use means to spread terror throughout a population.

113595 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Arnie, 6, #621 of 1402 🔗

It is a fact. Look at the SPI-B documrnts from sage. Army top brass even questioned in public forum the fact that 77th Brigade is being used to set social media narratives.

113529 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Darryl, 8, #622 of 1402 🔗

I find them sinister in the extreme. They will know full well that responding to irrational fears with ‘safety measures’ serves to legitimise and reinforce anxiety. Those who seek excessive reassurance and protection can never be satisfied. I think (I respect that others disagree) that there is more cockup than conspiracy going on, but the advice of this group has been intentionally damaging and indefensible.

113558 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Charlie Blue, 9, #623 of 1402 🔗

What worries me is that authoritarian regimes have often used the safety argument to remove civil liberties and individual freedoms.

During my lifetime I have seen many freedoms taken away to supposedly keep us safe, but it usually turns out the dangers were greatly exaggerated. Funnily enough the freedoms never comeback – and new dangers keep emerging.

The Technology now available to authorities makes mass surveillance and population control easier than ever. Technology today could certainly do the work of tens of thousands of Stasis officers.

113567 ▶▶▶▶ DespairSquid, replying to Darryl, 1, #624 of 1402 🔗

Totally agreed. I’m off to watch Demolition Man again…

113607 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Darryl, 3, #625 of 1402 🔗

Indeed. It is incredibly effective. Every new measure ups the sense of threat and vulnerability in the population who then embrace the next step.

113565 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Darryl, 6, #626 of 1402 🔗

It’s like they are conditioning the young to be subservient”

This has been the case for a long time, with the concept of ‘training’ subsuming ‘education’ in the development of the National Curriculum.

.. although this is obviously more extreme.

113699 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Darryl, 3, #627 of 1402 🔗

The trouble is they simply don’t care about any downsides to their actions. The difference between a psychologist and a behavioural scientist is like the difference between a beekeeper and a kid with a stick: both have some understanding of what happens when you whack a hive with a stick, but only one of them actually cares what the bee feels about it.

113512 RickH, replying to RickH, 23, #628 of 1402 🔗

I many ways, today’s items are as depressing as anything we have seen from March onwatds.

The real situation :

  1. Evidence of real infection with Covid has declined to minimal proportions -equivalent to the sort of statistical background noise that is normal.
  2. Deaths and ICU occupancy are at all-time (since March) lows.
  3. Experience of PCR testing has revealed massive fallibility in terms of identifying actual illness, and the exaggeration built on ‘case’ numbers is clear, with something like only 28% of positives indicating illness.
  4. The parallel fallibility of epidemiological modelling has also been shown.The profession has shown many of its members in an extremely poor light. Similarly, the modeller’s favourite statitic, the ‘R’ number has been shown as the irrelevant computerised guess-work that it is.
  5. There is absolutely no sign of the much vaunted ‘second wave’, which has never been an inevitable feature of infectious disease.
  6. True real infection rates in the community are probably in the order of 1 in 7000 to 10000. i.e, you would have to be in close contact with this number of random individuals to be in contact with an infective virus.
  7. The kicker : the idea that this is an ‘unprecedented’ crisis is blown out of the water by the simple fact that Covid infection and deaths in the past season never approached epidemic levels, and rated at only 8th since 1993/94.

As William Farr said : “ The death rate is a fact; anything beyond this is an inference.”

. .. and the inferences now being drawn, in terms of real science are pure fiction.

And yet …

  • we have constant white noise about the mythical ‘second wave ‘ being used as a justification of policy;
  • the wearing of masks has been routinized;
  • curtailment of civil rights
  • lock-ups are arbitrarily imposed by ministerial fiat
  • critical legislation isn’t scrutinised
  • undertested vaccines are being promoted and bought ahead of any actuality
  • child abuse is institutionalised in some schools
  • flawed testing is being promoted as a cure-all for a mild virus
  • government policy has incorporated brain-washing techniques (through SPI-B) into its regime
  • previous research and advice from the WHO on action during pandemics (October 2019) has been ignored in favour of unsubstantiated measures.
113527 ▶▶ DespairSquid, replying to RickH, 9, #629 of 1402 🔗

And it seems like the data doesn’t matter any more. Reality doesn’t matter. Only the narrative and the growing totalitarianism.

I’ve said it before but early 1930’s Berlin anyone?

113556 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DespairSquid, 5, #630 of 1402 🔗

I wouldn’t want to get into simplistic comparisons – but you are right in essence about the manufacturing of consent about societal ‘infection’ and ‘hygeine’ as the basis for totalitarian measures.

The picture of August Landmesser in a crowd saluting Hitler is often in mind these days.
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113572 ▶▶▶▶ DespairSquid, replying to RickH, 7, #631 of 1402 🔗

It’s the fact that we can plainly see it happening.

It’s obvious for all of those who are paying attention.

And yet, it just keeps on getting worse without any significant pushback.

And before you know it, it’s too late.

113592 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to RickH, 5, #632 of 1402 🔗

I have had this argument with lockdown advocates over at the Spectator. They don’t want to know. They say that lockdown suppresses the virus, and that’s it. They are so absorbed in their model of infection that they simply don’t care about the social or economic cost.

113613 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to WhyNow, 3, #633 of 1402 🔗

I expect they like lockdown. Humans have a huge capacity to think that what is in their personal interest is also morally right. When they don’t like lockdown they’ll change their mind. I expect the end of furlough and unemployment will see a tidal wave of scepticism. If the government want to prolong this (for whatever reason) they just need to extend furlough

113519 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 1, #634 of 1402 🔗

Week ending 31 Aug, 7 patients under investigation with definite COVID19 out of close to 5 million patients across the RCGP & RSC network:

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZTU5ZDE5MGYtMzUzMy00ZjRmLTg4MGEtMTM3ZGJiZDNhODFkIiwidCI6IjZiOTAyNjkzLTEwNzQtNDBhYS05ZTIxLWQ4OTQ0NmEyZWJiNSIsImMiOjh9

113668 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan, #635 of 1402 🔗

Can you explain this ‘under investigation’ analysis?

113532 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 2, #636 of 1402 🔗

A really informative and thought provoking article, if you only read one thing this day/week/month about the fraudulent pandemic then this is it:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8689021/There-no-second-wave-UK-Oxford-expert-says.html

Please also read the comments!
I know it has already been posted by others but I think it is so important to read that I’ve reposted.Apologies, I wouldn’t normally.
I’m not a Daily Mail reader either…

113544 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Arnie, 3, #637 of 1402 🔗

It’s heartening to see all the sceptic, anti-narrative comments appearing in the past week or so.

I think my comments a e now 160 to 12 in favour of scepticism.

Maybe the tide is at slack tide.

113573 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #638 of 1402 🔗

I must admit I go over there and upvote anything sceptic and downvote the coronaphobics

113589 ▶▶▶▶ DespairSquid, replying to Sophie123, 3, #639 of 1402 🔗

It’s been largely sceptical for a while. The problem comes when given an opportunity to judge others, the commenters can’t help themselves!

It’s the fault of the young
… the old
… the migrants
… Northerners
… Brexit

Rather than seeing the actual root of the problem.

Classic divide and conquer sometimes in the Mail.

I never understood the Mail’s editorial stance until I understood it was anything for the clicks…

113598 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to DespairSquid, 2, #640 of 1402 🔗

I just like posting sceptical comments, see if they get through the non-moderation and then see who it winds up or annoys so I can answer them.

them seem to go quite when you quote a few facts at them for some reason.

113616 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #641 of 1402 🔗

It might be early to see where the tide is at the moment but I am thoroughly heartened to see so many skeptical people and comments, I sometimes feel very isolated locally, none of my neighbours even question the narrative. My wife keeps telling me that I’m not alone, she’s on Facebook and there are a lot of like minded people on there apparently. Speaking of tides, I don’t suppose a freak tide, say a tsunami, going against the current BS narrative might be possible? I shall aim a few prayers to any gods that might listen…
Ps. Bet Handycock turns into a floater…

113534 Kev, replying to Kev, 12, #642 of 1402 🔗

To avoid a £10,000 fine, any protest should be designated as a BLM protest. Apparently the virus knows the difference, and the fines don’t apply.

Welcome to 2020, the year the world lost its collective mind.

113745 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Kev, #643 of 1402 🔗

Notting Hill people have been threatened, so unfortunately I fear this won’t work.

113535 David Mc, replying to David Mc, 4, #644 of 1402 🔗

There is no doubt in my mind that a lot of teachers up and down the country are doing a variation on the old tactics of “Roger the Dodger” from the Beano: if somebody asks you to do something that you don’t want to do, just do a really terrible job of it so that eventually they give up. In this case, they don’t want to teach (many of them have NEVER wanted to teach, and have done it as a last resort because they have nothing else they can do), so they are making school as miserable as possible and conniving with each other to ensure that schools will close at the drop of a hat.

113548 ▶▶ Kev, replying to David Mc, 9, #645 of 1402 🔗

They have been on full pay (not 80%) since lockdown began, and will stay on full pay if their school closes again, so they have nothing to lose whatever happens.

113590 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Kev, 5, #646 of 1402 🔗

My friend is a teacher and is desperate for a second wave and lockdown because he hates teaching

113654 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to steve_w, 2, #647 of 1402 🔗

!!!!!!!

113994 ▶▶ mjr, replying to David Mc, 1, #648 of 1402 🔗

remember the old adage .. those that can, do. those that can’t, teach

113538 Sarigan, 3, #649 of 1402 🔗

Some really interesting content from Carl Heneghan and others on the BMJ podcasts:

https://www.cebm.net/bmj-talk-evidence-podcast/

113561 The Spingler, replying to The Spingler, 3, #650 of 1402 🔗

To add to the ‘everything is a symptom of coronavirus infection’. I mean how ridiculous – how common is upset stomach in kids?

“Diarrhoea, vomiting and abdominal cramps in children could be a sign of coronavirus infection, UK researchers say.
The Queen’s University Belfast team has been studying children and says this may be worth adding to the checklist of things to watch for.
Currently, the officially recognised symptoms in the UK are a fever, cough and loss of smell or taste.
Anyone with any of these should isolate and get tested for the virus.
The US Centres for Disease Control already lists nausea or vomiting and diarrhoea among possible Covid-19 symptoms.”

113579 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to The Spingler, 8, #651 of 1402 🔗

These are all symptoms of any flu virus and always have been FFS!

113593 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to The Spingler, #652 of 1402 🔗

‘could’

113706 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to The Spingler, 6, #653 of 1402 🔗

The most common symptom is being perfectly fit and well.

114137 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to The Spingler, #654 of 1402 🔗

I saw a post recently that in Portland. Oregon they should look out for sores on feet in addition to all the usual symptoms. Oh, yes, suddenly a runny nose as well.

113588 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #655 of 1402 🔗

Read this earlier this morning on the internet then saw The Spingler’s comment just now about symptoms of coronavirus and thought upset stomach etc in kids and this comment mentions botulism being released in Spain later this year, bit of a coincidence

You can NOT imagine what gov pretends here (the guy is Spanish but talking to someone in mexico). Intel is coming out directly from military personnel who so terrified about orders received, involving to act against the people, they have become involuntary insiders.

In Spain extermination plans started with elderly during the first 3 months of this year; so researchers have realized the 30.000 dead is very conservative figures. We have testimonials of elderly caretakers, in nursing homes, who received orders to closing doors and many of them escaped from these nursing homes because the could not resist the screams of elderly asking for food and water while knocking doors till the y all died.

Second extermination plans is just starting in September, target: children, via fake PCR and AI vaccines.

September also will see a new massive lockdown starting th 18th

October:

possible borders closure

November:

First, main big supermarkets and Second small groceries closing due to lack of supplies, which means disappearance of fresh products like fruits and vegetables.

Army trucks will deliver canned food, some infected with new strains of botulism

December:

Possible internet closing to avoid people ask for help abroad Mass detentions, concentration camps, FEMA like Water, gas and power outages of indeterminate duration Food and water shortages

Synchronicity or what?

113623 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #656 of 1402 🔗

Where did you see this comment?

113649 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Richard O, #657 of 1402 🔗

It’s on this website:

82.221.129.208

Guy called Jim Stone.

Can be a bit sensationalist (not in the way of Alex Jones though), seems to be very well connected from his past career he said was in “intelligence” but over the past few years he’s come up with some doozies that have been proved correct eventually.

He is completely independent, doesn’t pay the “internet tax” that goes wherever it’s paid to (read it’s ultimately the UN but still researching) just uses the direct IP address so cannot be found on Google searches easily and officially is part of the dark web that doesn’t really exist except in the minds of the MSM.

All google do is search the central database of internet sites that pay the “tax”, they don’t search every web page individually.

“Dark Web” is just the name of sites that do the same as him so go unregistered on the database.

113651 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Awkward Git, #658 of 1402 🔗

Great, thanks. Certainly won’t be accessible from a work computer!

113663 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Richard O, 3, #659 of 1402 🔗

I’d also recommend using a VPN. I put it to a server in Mexico, Japan, Brazil or somewhere.

Doing this also turns up a lot of more interesting hits during searches or set duckduckgo to a different country from the UK and see the difference in results.

If you put in the IP address and it doesn’t show what I put at the top delete everything after the 8 and hit enter as sometime as you will be redirected to an old page or a message saying this page does not exist.

Should then go to the latest page dated 2-3 September at the moment.

Once you’ve been on a few times this redirection seems to stop as you are now a regular so whoever/whatever is doing the redirecting seems to know that you are aware of what is going on and gives up. happened to me in the beginning or if I used a new computer

This tip was given to me by someone a lot more knowledgeable about all this cyber stuff than me.

Happened to some guys at work as well, I could get on the most recent page, they couldn’t as they were “new” but I could even though we were in the same room typing in the same IP address but on different laptops and tablets. I was the only one who got the correct page until they had done the above.

113667 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #660 of 1402 🔗

Much appreciated advice. We all need to start sharpening our dark web browsing skills because I have a horrible feeling that there is going to be a massive internet purge around the time the vaccine is due to be deployed (my guess being this will be before the end of the year).

113670 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Richard O, 3, #661 of 1402 🔗

Independent pages already being shadow banned, deleted etc – look at google, youtube, farcebook and so on – so I agree it’s coming soon.

113672 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Richard O, 3, #662 of 1402 🔗

You know it’s got pretty bad when lockdown sceptics are driven onto the Dark Web! – all for a disease the CDC says only around 9k have directly died of in the US. What has amazed me is they had the nerve to take down the American Doctors website – chillingly authoritarian (and all supported by the tech kids at Silicon Valley)

113674 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Darryl, 5, #663 of 1402 🔗

This website will be top of the list for elimination when the time comes.

I have been copying the daily reports into a Word document for a couple of months now. I hope Toby has archiving/backup strategies in place should the website get taken down.

113817 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Richard O, #664 of 1402 🔗

Tor browser and a decent vpn

113709 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Richard O, 1, #665 of 1402 🔗

More synchronicity:

Ben Fulford at the weekend was saying that his sources told him that French military were planning to get rid of Macron as he’s upping repression against the people they are sworn to predict. Sounds like the situation in Spain.

Maybe the military will be the one stop stop this.

Will have to mooch round UK forces forums to see what gossip is going on about leave cancelled, mobilisations and training in October etc.

113635 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #666 of 1402 🔗

When you see Dictator Dan in Victoria and his SS police force you start to believe anything is possible! I sincerely hope there are enough good people in the military and police to stop the madness before it goes too far. But everyone always says ‘it’s different this time’. Evil never rests.

113594 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #667 of 1402 🔗

I see swimming as one of the big items missed due to lockdown. I get a lot of joy taking my two young children and it’s high on my list of early skills I want them to learn.

Though the new rules have meant I won’t be going back. This pool. In particular was always quite empty so was struggling for profit. But that’s why we enjoyed it, no hassle.

Now, it’s the polar opposite.

113601 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #668 of 1402 🔗

I took my daughters for swimming classes last night. Its quieter than normal, but 5% facemasks, none on staff. Kids loved it. They had a load of rules when they reopened a few weeks ago but they are just ignored (like the arrows on wetherpoons floors!)

113662 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to steve_w, #669 of 1402 🔗

Maybe on that basis it’s worth giving it a go. If they ignore it enough, and don’t require masks, I could maybe still try it.

113679 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #670 of 1402 🔗

lesiure centres, pubs and restaurants seem to be islands of normality

spent a lot of lockdown wild swimming with them

113690 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to steve_w, #671 of 1402 🔗

Yes, I’ve been doing sea swimming. Couldn’t believe it the other day when the BBC were on about socially distancing from compass jellyfish, and they weren’t really joking.

113677 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #672 of 1402 🔗

Absolutely MENTAL rules. No backstroke or butterfly. For goodness sake. Idiots making shit up as they go alone. Way too much power to the idiots.

113696 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Two-Six, 9, #673 of 1402 🔗

The Deadly Virus ™ is transmitted in water droplets, so for your comfort and safety, the pool will be drained, and swimmers should now walk along the pool floor, maintaining social distancing.

113702 ▶▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #674 of 1402 🔗

That made me laugh but then I thought “Don’t give them ideas! Someone will do this. Fortunately very few bedwetter visit this site.”

113687 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #675 of 1402 🔗

Yes, I miss swimming too – used to go regularly but I can’t see my local pool reopening for a long time – even with all the bizarre restrictions.

113742 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #676 of 1402 🔗

Wow, that’s some list! ‘Shower 15 minutes……’ Does that mean stand in the shower for 15 minutes before going to the pool or have a shower 15 minutes before driving to the pool? Why is 15 the magic number? What if you live half an hour away and only shower for 10 minutes. For goodness sake. Can you imagine the amount of chlorine in the water? Surely enough to kill anything

113760 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #677 of 1402 🔗

Our pool won’t even allow children back to swimming yet unless they are having formal lessons.

113600 John P, replying to John P, 3, #678 of 1402 🔗

The author has quoted Zero Hedge, but it should be pointed out that “Tyler Durden” is not a real person. Quoting wikipedia:

“Zero Hedge in-house content is posted under the pseudonym Tyler Durden.”

Tyler Durden was a character in the film “Fight Club” played by Brad Pitt.

113618 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to John P, #680 of 1402 🔗

This is the founder and editor of the site:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ivandjiiski

113658 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John P, 3, #681 of 1402 🔗

Zerohedge have also been big fear mongers on rising cases too. Those who comment on their page regularly remind them of this

113917 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #682 of 1402 🔗

Zerohedge were initially full on sceptics. Purely co-incidentally, they went to fear mongering after a spat with Google which was going to remove their ads from the site.

113678 ▶▶ peter, replying to John P, #683 of 1402 🔗

It should also be pointed out that most people on here don’t live inside a bearded clam.

113691 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to peter, #684 of 1402 🔗

Ooh matron

113988 ▶▶ mjr, replying to John P, 1, #685 of 1402 🔗

you’re not supposed to talk about that!!!
Have you forgotten the first rule!

113619 Darryl, replying to Darryl, 2, #686 of 1402 🔗

I am very suspicious of the CAMRA story in the Daily Mail, it looks like subtle state propaganda (or perhaps I could be wrong and it is just a promotion tactic). The organisers statement looks like it has been written by a PR person / civil servant, what are the chances of the organiser having ‘permanent’ (is it really?) lung damage due to Covid (I assume they have been busy working for months to hold this event). It seems too much of a coincidence to me.

“As someone who has suffered lasting lung damage after contracting COVID-19, I am all too aware how serious the illness can be and the devastating and long-term impact it has had on so many of us.”

Does anyone else think this could possibly be fake news?

113625 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Darryl, 1, #687 of 1402 🔗

Yes, if its in the Daily Mail

113648 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #688 of 1402 🔗

Agree, working for a newspaper just gives you free rein to lie at the moment. I bet the so called journalists are having the time of their lives scaring the population senseless.

113627 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Darryl, 1, #689 of 1402 🔗

Yes I did think it was very odd

113637 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to wendy, #690 of 1402 🔗

Glad I am not the only one with a suspicious mind!

113636 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Darryl, #691 of 1402 🔗

if that is tasteless and insensitive what about Sky news pandemic ident with the moving virus particles?

113655 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to crimsonpirate, #692 of 1402 🔗

I believe the glasses are a deliberate ploy to constantly remind everyone at the event of the virus a bit like the Sky News rubbish. The article doesn’t state if any glasses other than the one in the picture have been produced / or if they will be scrapped.

113621 BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 15, #693 of 1402 🔗

Just sent to my local MP, who is a junior Health Minister.

Dear xxxx,

Give your Ministerial position, I suspect that you know a good deal about how test cycles and PCR testing for Covid19 works. This letter assumes such knowledge.

I don’t usually get my information from the Daily Mail, but I suspect that many of your constituents will.  Can I ask you to bring to Parliament’s attention two recent articles, covering broadly the same point:

The first is from today’s edition:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8689021/There-no-second-wave-UK-Oxford-expert-says.html

Here is a relevant extract from Professor Carl Heneghan (my emphasis):
Professor Heneghan …. said: ‘A very high number of [testing] cycles may detect fragments and give a positive result but a lower number of cycles is far more likely to identify infected and infectious individuals requiring quarantine.
‘Evidence is mounting that a good proportion of “new” mild cases and people re-testing positives after quarantine or discharge from hospital are not infectious, but are simply clearing harmless virus particles which their immune system has efficiently dealt with.

The second is from 30th August:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8679307/Experts-say-USs-coronavirus-positivity-rate-high-tests-sensitive.html

And I quote:
New York’s state lab Wadsworth analyzed cycle thresholds values in already processed COVID-19 PCR tests and found in July that 794 positive tests were based on a threshold of 40 cycles.
With a cutoff of 35, about half of those tests would no longer qualify as positive. About 70 percent would no longer be judged positive if the cycles were limited to 30.
In Massachusetts, from 85 to 90 percent of people who tested positive in July with a cycle threshold of 40 would have been considered negative if the threshold were 30 cycles, Mina said.
‘I would say that none of those people should be contact-traced, not one,’ he [Dr Michael Mina] said.

In brief, the current concentration on testing for ‘cases’ is too sensitive. It identifies, in the main, people who have traces of inactive viral particles which are not capable of transmission.

Since testing is the principal justification for local lockdowns and other Government actions, this matter needs to be brought to parliament’s attention.

Yours sincerely

113666 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BTLnewbie, 8, #694 of 1402 🔗

Dear BTLnewbie,

We appreciate your engagement, we are currently working within government guidelines which are constantly under review in order to counter this devastating disease while we are still in the grip of this terrible pandemic.

We will continue to monitor this unprecedented and totally unique situation we find ourselves in regarding COVID19.

Let me assure you that we are now testing more people than ever before and will continue to keep vulnerable members of our community safe by following the strategy of test, track, trace and isolate.

I have every faith in the fact we as your government are following “The Science” and we are in constant communication with “Stakeholders” in order to cautiously ease restrictions in due course. Unfortunately many restrictions cannot be lifted untill there is a vaccine available to ensure the safe return to work, schools and social event.

Once again, we really appreciate your input.

Stay Safe!
Be Kind!

Your loving MP
xx

113732 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Two-Six, 3, #695 of 1402 🔗

Brilliant – do you do this for a living? 😊

113811 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #696 of 1402 🔗

Nope. I am sure I could a much better job than nearly every MP or their retarded young interns. £100000 a year? I would only have to work a year and that would do me FOR LIFE.

113628 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 6, #697 of 1402 🔗

Is it me or is the twisted, cheating, lying media now changing the narrative from ‘cases’ to ‘infections’?

113724 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to T. Prince, 4, #698 of 1402 🔗

Yep. No context. If this is the bar then we all are probably infected with Strep and Meningitis. Run for the hills!!!

113631 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 7, #699 of 1402 🔗
113650 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #700 of 1402 🔗

Wow, you can hear and feel her utter contempt and hatred for ‘the establishment’. Well done girl!!!

113664 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to T. Prince, 2, #701 of 1402 🔗

The trouble with the main stream media is we don’t really know what to trust. I’d like to think it is genuine, but on the other hand we know the media is being controlled in a war time state fashion. They seem to give us a bit of hope only to take it away over the next few days. I wouldn’t be surprised if it is a scam to demoralise us further and make us feel more helpless.

113710 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Darryl, 2, #702 of 1402 🔗

Sky Australia seem to be pretty consistent with their messages though…

113681 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #703 of 1402 🔗

And this from Andrew Bolt, marvellous stuff.
https://youtu.be/GP9-z3jfnuQ

113685 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #704 of 1402 🔗

I wonder if the Victoria police would be so brave in arresting omeone of “no appearance”, given the propensity of certain groups to kick off.

113639 Strange Days, #705 of 1402 🔗

From Twitter for your amusement:

Back to school time so here’s a new report ahead of the new academic term (inc Ofsted comments).

https://twitter.com/SirDanofC/status/1301425229613477888

113641 NonCompliant, replying to NonCompliant, 1, #706 of 1402 🔗

So I emailed my local council leader trying to impress upon them the unreliability of PCR testing and that more testing pretty much guarantees more ‘new cases’ and I get a reply from his PA which has this nugget:

We are anxious to avoid this so our testing capacity and contact tracing have been increased to ensure if spikes do occur it doesn’t result in further restrictions either collectively or individually across the Borough.

Obviously the PA has not even read the email and just sent the stock template reply. I wonder if the leader of the local council gets to read any of his correspondance?

113656 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to NonCompliant, 1, #707 of 1402 🔗

Also typical of MP’s, cut and paste only.

113659 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #708 of 1402 🔗

Boris Johnson’s drive to get workers back to the office has been postponed amid warnings that the Government’s own social distancing guidelines prevent firms from getting all of their staff back to their desks.

…. The Cabinet Office, which is in charge of the media blitz, also wants more civil servants to be back at their desks before ministers start to tell others to do the same.
…. Mr Johnson is understood to be keen to send out a strong message to the country that it is time to get back to the office, but some aides are urging caution after a recent rise in the infection rate.
…. He said “what the people of this country want” is to see all MPs back in Parliament, and urged Labour to join him in saying “it is safe to go back to work in a Covid-secure way”. He later told Tory MPs he wants Parliament to be “back to normal” by Christmas.

A recent rise in the R rate, which gauges the spread of infection, has concerned some of Mr Johnson’s aides, who want to wait for more evidence of the effect on the R rate of schools reopening before sending out a strong back to work message.

One senior minister said: “The Prime Minister is keen to push on with this but I’m not sure everyone around him is.” Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, undermined the back to work message last week ….
…. Alex Brazier, a financial policymaker at the Bank of England, told a committee of MPs the Government’s own guidelines were preventing a mass return to office working.
He said: “With Covid-safe guidelines it is not possible to use office space with the intensity that we used to use it, so it is not possible to bring lots of people back suddenly.

…. The Government’s public information campaign is being coordinated by OmniGov, a division of the media agency Manning Gottleib OMD, and will involve advertisements being placed in local and national newspapers highlighting the benefits of returning to the workplace. It will also send out the message that workplaces are safe, but Government communications chiefs have yet to agree on a slogan that can match the simplicity of the Stay At Home message that proved so effective at the start of lockdown.

…. The Cabinet Office, which is run by Michael Gove, is understood to be concerned about sending ministers onto the airwaves to promote the back to work message without them being able to say their own departments are at maximum Covid-safe capacity. One Whitehall source said: “You can’t dictate to people what to do if you’re allowing your own staff to carry on working from home. People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones, as the old saying goes.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/02/campaign-get-britain-back-work-flounders/

Some great comments!

113665 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #709 of 1402 🔗

Some terrible ones too. There’s someone up there who has apparently been furloughed from the airline industry on 50% pay (I assume he’s above the Government pay threshold) who seems to be pushing the line that everyone should be forced back to the office and if the offices don’t have sufficient space they should just lay people off. Why? What possible benefit would there be in making loads more people unemployed and threatening the viability of businesses which have, so far, weathered the storm?

113671 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Andrew Fish, 10, #710 of 1402 🔗

Indeed, a very strange proposal! The obvious solution is to scrap the social distancing requirements, restoring capacity.

113727 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 3, #711 of 1402 🔗

My view entirely. I can only assume he just wants everyone to suffer as much as he thinks he has.

113755 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Andrew Fish, 3, #712 of 1402 🔗

He must do. Coincidentally, my situation is almost identical to his, but rather than wanting others to suffer I’d much rather everyone just snapped out of this and returned to normal!

113848 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #713 of 1402 🔗

And we’re grateful for your good sense.

113660 court, replying to court, 2, #714 of 1402 🔗

I’ve noticed a new narrative in public comments recently – calling sceptics ‘snowflakes’ and ‘betwetters’ for not wearing something as ‘trivial’ as a mask.

Anyone seen similar? I wonder if it’s a change in tack for the misinformation bureau.

113673 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to court, 12, #715 of 1402 🔗

So ‘funny’ that the most rabid mask fanatics are those who will also be frothing at the mouth about the waste and ocean pollution in a years time. Fucking bellends dismissing the government (and them) trying to dictate what I do with my face as trivial drives me mad… utter morons havent had an independent thought in years I suspect.

113803 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mark II, 1, #716 of 1402 🔗

I counted more than ten face nappies lying on the ground yesterday on my way through town.

113680 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to court, 1, #717 of 1402 🔗

We need to turn it round with a standardised letter of unlimited liability to be signed by the Karen pushing the issue.
After all “if its only a mask” as they say, then they’ll have no problems signing the letter.
Best defence is a good offence and all that.

113707 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to court, 2, #718 of 1402 🔗

Don’t respond to their insults. They are clearly people of very low intellect so just keep calling them ‘muzzled morons’….

113714 ▶▶ IanE, replying to court, 1, #719 of 1402 🔗

‘Sociopaths’ seems to be the latest pleasant description of the sane!

113715 ▶▶ Drawde927, replying to court, 4, #720 of 1402 🔗

Another disturbing trend I’ve noticed is a change from simply saying that the non-masked are “making people sick” and “spreading infection”, to saying that they are “stopping society from getting back to normal” and implying (or outright stating) that if everyone masked up, the pandemic would just disappear in a matter of weeks.
In other words, people are encouraged to regard sceptics/anti-maskers in the same way that we regard the doomers and mask-zealots – that we/they are stopping society from returning to normal by their crazy, irrational behaviour. Divide and rule…

113806 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Drawde927, 1, #721 of 1402 🔗

All this has been carefully calculated, the time of the deployment is the strategy.

113734 ▶▶ RickH, replying to court, #722 of 1402 🔗

Probably

113984 ▶▶ mjr, replying to court, #723 of 1402 🔗

Sounds like it as Bedwetters is what we call those sheeple who get indignant about any lessening in application of the guidance and snowflake for basically anyone recently out of school who cannot handle what we see as the old normal .. And i use both words very often

113661 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 3, #724 of 1402 🔗

WestJet now requiring children over 2 to wear masks on flights:

Zero tolerance mask policy
Effective September 1, 2020, the WestJet Group will implement a zero-tolerance policy in support of the requirement for all guests over the age of two to wear masks and face coverings. Non-compliant guests will face penalties including denied boarding, return of the aircraft to the gate to offload the passenger and the suspension of travel on any WestJet Group aircraft for up to one year.

Non-compliance on board the aircraft will be managed through a three-step process:

  1. Passengers will first be asked to put the mask on in a discussion with cabin crew.
  2. Passengers will be given a warning that masks are required, and compliance is necessary.
  3. Passengers will receive notice that non-compliance will result in follow up notification that they will be placed on a no-fly list for 12-months.


Since April 20, 2020, it has been mandatory for travellers to wear protective face coverings throughout their travel journey, including at the airport, while in flight and at the airport. As outlined by Transport Canada, travellers requiring an exemption to the regulation for health reasons must produce a certified medical note or will be subject to the measures as outlined. Complete guidelines on non-medical masks are available here .

113692 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sarigan, 2, #725 of 1402 🔗

Ouch. That hurt.

113701 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Sarigan, 10, #726 of 1402 🔗

If I had money to burn I’d pay for people just to board their flights, not wear masks, and have their planes continually returning to stand to offload them. They’d soon scrap the policy.

113770 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Sarigan, #727 of 1402 🔗

Westjet just sent me a gold card too. Guess I won’t get a chance to use it.

113683 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 18, #728 of 1402 🔗

Sky just interviewed another ‘expert’ from London School of Hygiene and Tropical Diseases, Professor Julian Peto, regarding the new rapid testing strategy just announced by Handsy Hancock. Commented along the lines of ‘if people refuse to have a regular test they can be excluded from events’, and was about to go on to say something similar about vaccines when the interviewer cut him off as time was running out. Just who the F do these people think they are?

113689 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #729 of 1402 🔗

They are your masters your duty is to obey

113694 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 11, #730 of 1402 🔗

They will not stop with this.

Frankly they can exclude me from everything. I cannot be around fucking idiot zombies wearing masks and repeatedly babbling the government and MSM scripts. I include family, (former) friends and (soon to be former) colleagues in this.

113704 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #731 of 1402 🔗

It seems to me that about the only thing which is going to stop this is economic collapse.

It’s awful to say, but I hope it comes soon – the sooner the better.

I had hopes – confidence even – that the British public would not stand for this garbage for very long. I was sadly mistaken. They are revelling in it. I don’t think I will ever again regard my countrymen in much esteem.

The UK seems slower than almost everyone else to get the economy going again. Maybe we’ll see a good-ole-fashioned run on the pound.

113731 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 5, #732 of 1402 🔗

Just who the F do these people think they are?”

Small brains experienced in a limited field, with no concept of the world at large.

Just because I can take a bicycle apart doesn’t make me a winner in the Tour de France.

113979 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, #733 of 1402 🔗

Especially if you can’t put it back together again.

113757 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #734 of 1402 🔗

They’ve been putting out the feelers for both mass testing and a digital health ID for about a week now. Must be pushing for a Chinese style testing ID to soften people up for the vax ID.

113774 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to DRW, 2, #735 of 1402 🔗

Amazed the Tropical Medicine School hasn’t been ‘cancelled’ due to the colonial implications of its name etc…?

113977 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #736 of 1402 🔗

Arrogant academic types. Maybe Pol Pot had the right idea after all.

114047 ▶▶▶ FatBastardMcKenzie, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #737 of 1402 🔗

Eric Hoffer mentioned in an interview that intellectuals/academics were fine– as long as they were kept out of politics . Otherwise you get what Thomas Sowell has termed “The Vision Of The Annointed”.

114366 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #738 of 1402 🔗

At least the comments on the Telegraph article about mass testing were overwhelmingly negative and sceptic – think Hancock may have pushed things too far.. People are clearly seeing the agenda now!

113693 John P, 9, #739 of 1402 🔗

Apologies if this has already been posted here.

Democracy in some parts of Australia may be in ICU at the moment, but their media at least is showing some signs of fitness.

Alan Jones of Sky News Australia is scathing, but at least some of his colleagues are also in top form.

Rowan Dean, interviewed by Andrew Bolt for “The Bolt Report” doesn’t mince his words. I’d love to see this sort of language on British mainstream media.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut2bA48ASrw

113700 steve_w, replying to steve_w, #740 of 1402 🔗

Spain to carry on furlough scheme ‘indefinitely’

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-53989147

113720 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to steve_w, 5, #741 of 1402 🔗

The State can giverth everything. It can also taketh away should you transgress the unwritten rule. Or the written.

113729 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to steve_w, 3, #742 of 1402 🔗

Looks suspiciously like a universal basic income being introduced. Perhaps you could link receiving it to being a good citizens.

113799 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Darryl, #743 of 1402 🔗

Very difficult to do that in Spain given it is part of the Eurozone. Perhaps they are expecting the Greeks to do all the work and then ship the output to Spain.

113962 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lucan Grey, #744 of 1402 🔗

Or maybe their EU grant will pay for it. However they do it, it’ll end in tears. Nonsense like this always does.

113872 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to steve_w, 3, #745 of 1402 🔗

Sounds like people are becoming domesticated to me:

Cowslip’s Warren in Watership Down
https://watershipdown.fandom.com/wiki/Cowslip%27s_Warren

Hazel and his friends believe that this is the perfect place for them, since the tenants seemed so healthy and safe. They overlook some odd tendencies like refusing to answer questions, reciting poetry, and building mosaics on the warren walls and decide to settle in. After repeated warnings from Fiver that the warren is not safe, Bigwig gets caught in a snare. The runaways from Sandleford Warren soon discover that what they thought was a new home is actually a death trap. The Cowslip rabbits refuse to help and get angry at Fiver for asking for them to release Bigwig. Once Bigwig is free, it becomes apparent that men snare the warren territory, but keep the rabbits happy with good food and only a few kills at a time. The Cowslip rabbits feel that this is a good enough trade for the safety and food they are offered and soon become odd and domesticated rabbits .

113907 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to steve_w, #746 of 1402 🔗

So they’re going for broke? Who will be popping them up financially?

113703 Drawde927, replying to Drawde927, 9, #747 of 1402 🔗

The schools-related stories in this update are beyond belief! The current situation is beyond parody.
Closing the school for a fortnight because a single child had a sore throat (obviously this HAD to be Covid, it’s not as if kids ever get colds, sniffles and sore throats from other causes, is it?), and, in another school, a week’s exclusion for turning your head whilst in class? It’s almost as if they don’t actually want schools to reopen…

I can only hope we are at, or near, “peak madness”

113708 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Drawde927, 7, #748 of 1402 🔗

Not a chance, we are only just getting started. The really dark stuff is yet to come.

113717 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Drawde927, 6, #749 of 1402 🔗

If you know anything about Bedales you will be aware that the place has little to do with education. It’s where the likes of Bryan Ferry send their kids to learn how to shoplift in Petersfield and deface the Cenotaph.

113746 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #750 of 1402 🔗

Not to forget that Lily Allen went there.

113805 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ozzie, 4, #751 of 1402 🔗

Say no more

113893 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #752 of 1402 🔗

We lived not far from Bedales once upon a time. Your assessment is spot on. The village shop had to impose strict rules on how many could enter the shop stealing to them was a badge of honour.

113726 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Drawde927, 6, #753 of 1402 🔗

Truly ridiculous beyond stupid.

My grandchildren – when normally at school – develop mild symptoms like this with monotonous regularity.

Like almost children on the planet do until they establish base immunity.

The only question one can ask is ‘WTF’?

I have noticed a marked decline in the quality of school leadership with the growth of unaccountable kerrchinggg! academies – going back to Blair days. We are reaping the whirlwind.

113899 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to RickH, 4, #754 of 1402 🔗

Most bad things can be traced back to the days of Blair. He may have left office but his stench lingers on.

113736 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Drawde927, 6, #755 of 1402 🔗

If the schools are going to close everytime someone gets a sore throat then they needn’t have bothered opening, as they are going to be closed virtually all the time anyway.

114351 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Chicot, #756 of 1402 🔗

Didn’t UK column say months ago that ‘the plan’ was for schools to never open again?

113705 Will, replying to Will, 18, #757 of 1402 🔗

Tell any teenagers you can that dermatologists are seeing an increase in teenagers with acute acne caused by face mask wearing…. “Wear a face mask get a pizza face” would be a cracking slogan!?!?

113711 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Will, 6, #758 of 1402 🔗

Is that why one of the ITV channels (ITV 2 I think) in the evening is sponsored by ACNECIDE face wash?

I think it is.

113728 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Will, 5, #759 of 1402 🔗

‘Mask a Pony’ cheese pizza?

113747 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Will, 2, #760 of 1402 🔗

Yerr, the teenagers might decide that masks are therefore a good thing. Hides the acne innit!

113976 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Will, 1, #761 of 1402 🔗

young lad on till at my local Aldi having real problem with rash on face from being forced to wear mask when shelf stacking. He’s been to doctors and been given cream .. But still has to wear mask

113712 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #762 of 1402 🔗

Look at the date!

https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-launch-program-to-provide-digital-id-with-vaccines#:~:text=The%20ID2020%20Alliance%20has%20launched%20a%20new%20digital,new%20partners%20in%20government%2C%20academia%2C%20and%20humanitarian%20relief

The program to leverage immunization as an opportunity to establish digital identity was unveiled by ID2020 in partnership with the Bangladesh Government’s Access to Information (a2i) Program, the Directorate General of Health Services, and Gavi, according to the announcement.

113719 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #763 of 1402 🔗

Love the disclaimer at the bottom:

This post was updated at 4:58pm on March 26, 2020 to clarify that the program is intended to allow people to receive vaccination and prove they have received it, not to track individuals, as claimed by some conspiracy theorists.

Yeah right. We have absolutely nothing to worry about then.

113725 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #764 of 1402 🔗

The UK governments new digital ID plans look suspiciously like ID2020 renamed. It really is laughable that Wikipedia has gone to the effort of calling anyone who questions ID2020 a conspiracy theorist – I consider myself as someone concerned about civil rights and liberties.

We are going to end up being forcefully signed up to government / UN plans on the back of a UN (WHO) declared pandemic. A complete injustice.

113813 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Darryl, 4, #765 of 1402 🔗

It’s not a conspiracy theory when it’s there in black and white, where they’re telling us what they’re doing. We’re just joining the dots.

113834 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lms23, 9, #766 of 1402 🔗

There has been huge amounts written about ID2020 and the drive to get a global digital ID and health/criminal/biometric/DNA database mandatory for everybody. It’s been talked about for YEARS.

Various players have been advocating this for years. So has the logical extension of this, mandatory implantation of microchips in people to hold this data. Just as your pets have now.

The problem is that nearly everybody who talks about this is slapped with the conspiracy theorist tag and discounted immediately or ridiculed or actually accused of some how dare you kind of reaction.

They would never do that, how could they enforce it? I wouldn’t stand for that, how could just a few people control the whole world, you paranoid tin-foil-hat wearing loony etc….

Well……It’s our faces now isn’t it.

For those that still want to think it’s because of blundering silly old Borris the nappy-head or evil Twatt HandyCock bolstering his massive ego and share options and that we can vote our way out of this…

Do you STILL think we are crazy?

FFS.

114161 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Two-Six, #767 of 1402 🔗

Yes, it’s turned into a complete scam. I don’t believe the blundering Boris act for one second – he is clearly as cold and calculating as the worst of them. Won’t be fooled so easily next time when I vote.

114197 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Darryl, #768 of 1402 🔗

At the rate we’re going, there won’t be a ‘next vote’.

113716 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 30, #769 of 1402 🔗

Sir Graham Brady MP, Chair of the important 1922 Committee, speaks up for basic common sense, arguing that the Government need to use hospital admissions as the determinant of restrictive policies rather than the number of cases since the latter figure is heavily affected by the amount of testing taking place.

It’s blindingly obvious but why have have virtually no MPs made this pint publicly and forcefully before now! The economy is being wrecked by their silence.

113721 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to OKUK, 8, #770 of 1402 🔗

a child can see that

113741 ▶▶ Will, replying to OKUK, 23, #771 of 1402 🔗

That is an extremely significant shot across The Johnson’s bow. The Tories raison d’etre is being in power and the 1922 commitee is the guardian of the party. The tide really is on the turn and if the Johnson doesn’t wake up to it the parliamentary Conservative party will get rid of him…

113751 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Will, 14, #772 of 1402 🔗

That would be good. Most of the mp’s don’t like him much either so hopefully they will take action. The misinformation is beyond acceptable. This testing garbage, which means I can’t legally go and see my relatives in Manchester is a disgrace. Arse covering rather than leadership, local council standard not PM standard.

113808 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Will, 4, #773 of 1402 🔗

Fingers crossed, but who will replace him? If it’s Hancock, there’ll be a mass defection from the Tory party.

113940 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lms23, 6, #774 of 1402 🔗

I think that, in political terms, Hancock is another dead man walking. His can will have “Hitler-lite, without the good bits” written on it.

114348 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Lms23, #775 of 1402 🔗

Why on earth would they replace Johnson with Hancock?

113931 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Will, 5, #776 of 1402 🔗

I suspect that, in political terms, Johnson is a dead man walking. He’ll be kept long enough to see the conclusion of the Brexit negotiations, then he’ll be chained to the Covid can for him to carry the rest of his life.

113749 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to OKUK, 7, #777 of 1402 🔗

So obvious. Maybe their silence is due to their lack of talent and intelligence

114101 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #778 of 1402 🔗

Or cowardice.

113797 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to OKUK, 12, #779 of 1402 🔗

I don’t think even hospital admission data can justify removing our liberty and destroying our livelihoods.

113892 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Saved To Death, 6, #780 of 1402 🔗

It might do if the admissions were astronomically high, but they have not been, even at the height of this. The bar has been set far too low.

113952 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Julian, 8, #781 of 1402 🔗

However high admissions are it does not imply that removing peoples liberty and destroying peoples livelihoods is going to have overall beneficial impact on hospital admissions. How has this concept come to be considered a cure for anything?

Regardless in my opinion our inalienable rights are not subject to government approval for any reason. Once the government is systematically violating them it is no longer a legitimise government.

114264 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Julian, 1, #782 of 1402 🔗

If they were astronomically high people would “social distance” without being asked. It should never have been made compulsory.

113925 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to OKUK, 8, #783 of 1402 🔗

The entire Establishment needs to be replaced.

114104 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to OKUK, 3, #784 of 1402 🔗

Where’s he been the last 6 months?

He’s certainly not acknowledged any correspondence nor any other 1922 committee member.

Waste of space except in their own interest the lot of them.

114345 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to OKUK, #785 of 1402 🔗

Why is he only saying this now?

113722 Marie R, replying to Marie R, 4, #786 of 1402 🔗

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12559226/no-second-wave-coronavirus-just-testing-more/
Found this, interestingly, on the Boycott schools going back FB group. Someone concludes from it we have a 1% chance of dying. Heneghan’s all over the media

113733 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Marie R, 5, #787 of 1402 🔗

I can only conclude that they never went to school themselves if they get 1% from 1 in 2million. Just anti-education full stop!

113922 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Marie R, #788 of 1402 🔗

Thank God for Heneghan!

114059 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Marie R, 1, #789 of 1402 🔗

Not even 1%. That’s just the percentage of deaths overall.
If it’s a percentage of the population, it’s more like 0.01% overall.

113739 Harold Hairbrush, replying to Harold Hairbrush, 3, #791 of 1402 🔗

BBC are reporting that the US Centers for Disease Control is asking states to get rid of red tape to allow distribution of a potential vaccine by 1 November. Under the scenario being planned for, a vaccine would be rolled out for certain groups days before the US election.

ABC reports that in a letter to governors dated Aug. 27, Robert Redfield, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said states “in the near future” will receive permit applications from McKesson Corp., which has contracted with CDC to distribute vaccines to places including state and local health departments and hospitals.
“CDC urgently requests your assistance in expediting applications for these distribution facilities and, if necessary, asks that you consider waiving requirements that would prevent these facilities from becoming fully operational by November 1, 2020,” Redfield wrote.
He wrote that any waivers will not compromise the safety or effectiveness of the vaccine. The Associated Press obtained the letter, which was first reported by McClatchy.

Given the obvious level of international coordination about all of this, when do you think a vaccine will be rolled out in the UK? This is the greatest worry of all at the moment.

113792 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Harold Hairbrush, #792 of 1402 🔗

December

113795 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Harold Hairbrush, 3, #793 of 1402 🔗

How could they possibly know whether the vaccine is safe or not?? There hasn’t been enough time to have done clinical trials and checked what the long-term effects are.

113902 ▶▶▶ watashi, replying to Lms23, 3, #794 of 1402 🔗

they don’t care. or maybe they had the vaccine already waiting in the wings? or perhaps that is exactly the plan, to vaccinate with some toxic slurry that is neither safe nor effective.

113916 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to watashi, 4, #795 of 1402 🔗

Or else, it is a saline placebo, given with the usual platitudes and caveats, such as not guaranteeing you immunity, so they can ditch all the bullshit and quietly bury the story.

113802 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Harold Hairbrush, 5, #796 of 1402 🔗

Oh, and around a thousand CDC employees had signed a letter to the management requesting that the CDC designate “racism” as a health emergency.
Anything that comes out of the CDC will be highly suspect.

113896 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Harold Hairbrush, #797 of 1402 🔗

End of October?

113744 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 18, #798 of 1402 🔗

London to Brecon for a covid test is such a brilliant idea I can’t believe the government hasn’t thought of it before.

Firstly, its Wales so they will be able to get some mask free shopping done while they are there and maybe even enjoy a walk in the beacons while waiting for their results – which will do them more good than a stick up the nose any day.

Secondly the round trip is about 350 miles so they have an almost infinitely higher chance of dying in a road traffic accident than they ever had of even catching covid, and that will rid the country of a car load of lockdown and mask zealots. (sad if you are the ones they crash into though I grant you).

Thirdly, the round trip is about 350 miles so it sticks a giant two fingers up at Saint Greta and her neo-puritan nazis.

Sounds like fun maybe we could organise a meet there? Masks and tests optional of course.

113810 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Old Bill, 3, #799 of 1402 🔗

You may want to visit my new dating agency site, Sheepulike.com.uk

113880 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Cecil B, 1, #800 of 1402 🔗

We’ve already got a very popular site like that here in Wales.

114028 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Cecil B, 3, #801 of 1402 🔗

There is a similar one for bedwetters called SheeplikeU.com.uk

113748 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 7, #802 of 1402 🔗

Regarding schools and the U.S. universities, it’s all part of the Marxist takeover, and in this country it’s with a complicit pretend conservative government. MPs are now supposed to be attending “unconscious racism bias” training, which is also just Marxist race theory. It’s pseudoscience, just as it is treating schoolchildren as vectors of an deadly virus which has caused the death of 800k worldwide out of over 7 billion, or around 0.016%, and that’s probably being generous, as we know governments and health authorities have been counting anyone and everyone who ever tested positive.

114342 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Lms23, #803 of 1402 🔗

Is that training for MPs mandatory, and who is running it? Common purpose by any chance?

113752 hotrod, 7, #804 of 1402 🔗

Spain not following the narrative.

Spain not headed back to lockdown, says health minister

Sam Jones
The current Covid-19 situation in Spain does not bear comparison with the peak of the pandemic in March, according to the country’s health minister, who has suggested a return to lockdown is unnecessary, writes Sam Jones, the Guardian’s Madrid correspondent.

On Wednesday, Spain recorded 479,554 cases of the virus, up from 470,973 the previous day. Madrid continues to be the hardest-hit region of the country, accounting for more than a third of the cases diagnosed over the past 24 hours and a similar proportion of the 99,621 diagnosed over the past fortnight.

However, Salvador Illa said things were not nearly as grave as they were six months ago.

“We’re seeing an increase in cases, but there’s no comparison with what we saw in March; the system isn’t overwhelmed,” he told Cadena Ser Catalunya radio. “We need to take concrete measures and we are.”

113754 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 34, #805 of 1402 🔗

Costa announced in the last few minutes that 1,650 of their employees will be made redundant.
Covid collaborators; wake up, stop your ridiculous social distancing,burn those stupid face nappies and start living normal lives again before the only “jobs” left will be those of the so called “experts.
As someone said a while ago; “will you social distance and wear a face nappy while you’re queuing outside a”soup kitchen”?

113791 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #806 of 1402 🔗

I’m not sure that Barista jobs that could easily be done by a machine are the sort of jobs we want to be retaining.

“But what about the jobs, can I have a bailout” is the fastest way to Socialism by the back door. We already have tax credits propping up jobs that shouldn’t exist. Let’s not go any further down that road.

We need a different approach to making sure people have access to alternative jobs and an income at all times.

113800 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #807 of 1402 🔗

Majority of those workers will be young people,the young are certainly the ones counting the cost and paying the price of this lunacy,when is someone in parliament going to make a stand and be a voice for the young children and adults of the UK

113807 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #808 of 1402 🔗

“will you social distance and wear a face nappy while you’re queuing outside a”soup kitchen”?
If you want your soup ration you will.
No soup for face criminals

113756 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 11, #809 of 1402 🔗

Wonder of Wonders

The BBC has just published some garbage reporting that people are watching horror films as a form of escapism from the tyranny (ok, ok they didn’t use the ‘t’ word)

What? escapism from the nightmare they have been promoting and shoving down our throats for the past six months

They are such thick bastards that they do not even recognise the irony

113790 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Cecil B, 11, #810 of 1402 🔗

I wouldn’t call it escapism.
I’d call it research.

113877 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Lms23, 4, #811 of 1402 🔗

I’m watching Shaun of the Dead for my research.

113876 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Cecil B, #812 of 1402 🔗

The Walking Dead (an American TV series) seems an appropriate choice.

113966 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #813 of 1402 🔗

i watch One man and his dog for my research… Reminds me of going to the supermarket

113758 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 9, #814 of 1402 🔗

American actor and former wrestler Dwayne Johnson ‘The Rock’ and his family have all tested positive for coronavirus despite taking precautions

That is because precautions will not help. Apart from that, a load of posturing bollocks.

113781 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan, 4, #815 of 1402 🔗

Any celebs in hospital? Kate Garroways husband is repeatedly brought up as an example. He’s still in a coma they say.

114035 ▶▶▶ FatBastardMcKenzie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #816 of 1402 🔗

This is nothing more than “The Dragon In My Garage” :

Now, what’s the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there’s no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I’m asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so.

113783 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Sarigan, 1, #817 of 1402 🔗

Has he got a new film coming out?

113857 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Sarigan, 3, #818 of 1402 🔗

Most people that get infected follow the rules, wear masks and take precautions.

Funny how statistics work.

113888 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sarigan, 3, #819 of 1402 🔗

That only happened because they went and got tested. Don’t get tested! Simples!

113759 Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #820 of 1402 🔗

Fauci in a senate(?) Hearing has many many great points put to him byway of a question. Fauci then explains he is unqualified to give instructions about what sports can or cannot be played. Fauci says he is giving his opinions of facts and this is the extrapolated by others into Fauci says such and such is not allowed.

https://youtu.be/cf0pYH-sqWk

Worthwhile listening. This may already have been posted.

113762 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Basics, 4, #821 of 1402 🔗

“great points put to him”. American democracy seems in better shape than ours then, or their elected representatives are a bit more independent and don’t toe the party line

113761 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 17, #822 of 1402 🔗

Everyone on Twatter is so up in arms about the Dettol ‘back to work’ ad in the London Underground. Sure, it was a bit of a blunder that Dettol didn’t feature its own brand name, but some of the comments are just so bitter and vitriolic.

For those who haven’t seen, the advert basically lists all the little things about office life and commuting that we have missed over lockdown – e.g. ‘Hearing an alarm. Putting on a tie. Carrying a handbag. Receptionists. Caffeine-filled air. Taking a lift. Seeing your second family. Watercooler conversations. Proper bants. The boss’s jokes. Plastic plants. Office gossip. Those weird carpets. Face-to-face meetings. Not having to make lunch.’ And so on and so forth.

Frankly I have missed these things and it just makes me so sad to see such bile directed at the ad. The types of people on Twatter who think this ad is cringey are precisely the kind of people who would have participated in ‘bants’, office gossip and watercooler conversations. They’ve just moved all of that online in the past 6 months and are so desperate to appear virtuous and like they’re saving us all by staying at home instead of going into the office. I feel like I’m the only one who can see the massive downsides to a concerted effort to work from home all the time. There has to be a reason why we’re one of the least productive countries in Europe and one of the slowest to return to the office. Perhaps the response to that ad indicates why.

113763 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Poppy, 10, #823 of 1402 🔗

I have loved from working from home and intend to carry on, but I am a grumpy old man. I feel for the youngsters in the office who have had the social side taken away from them, and indeed for the oldsters who like to talk face to face with colleagues.

113784 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Julian, 1, #824 of 1402 🔗

I get that. During my last few years at work, I found it harder and harder to do the 3-4 hour commute every day. There were weeks I worked in a fug of fatigue. Working from home for a day or two helped, and I could concentrate on particular projects without interruption, but I actually liked being at work. I liked my work colleagues, and didn’t mind being there. It was just the getting there and getting home again that I struggled with.
When I was offered an opportunity to retire early, I took it, but I did miss it for a while.

113839 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Lms23, 1, #825 of 1402 🔗

I went to an office once in London, it was horrible.

113764 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Poppy, 10, #826 of 1402 🔗

Handbags, ties, bants, water coolers, lifts and anything “face to face” will be outlawed under covid-safe working regulations, surely?

113787 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #827 of 1402 🔗

Why not? They’ve destroyed the Health service, and schools. Why wouldn’t they destroy anything positive about going back to work.

113767 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Poppy, 14, #828 of 1402 🔗

I haven’t missed going into the office at all. 99% of my colleagues are zombies and in our absence the company have enforced the full suite of Covid safe regulations, so I will never be seeing any of them in person ever again. Good riddance to the bloody lot of them.

113789 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Richard O, 10, #829 of 1402 🔗

You have a point, I really want to go back the the office, partly to show the morons that it is safe and normal. At the moment it will only be people who see through the Coronabollocks in the office. However, once the bedwetters are there, I am not going to be able to resist slamming them down with facts every single time they open their cakeholes to talk about it, which will be all the fucking time. I’ll be sacked in no time for being a Coronabollocks-denier.

113804 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to TheBluePill, 10, #830 of 1402 🔗

My place has just introduced mandatory temperature checks with mandatory testing if you are over 37.8 degrees (for whatever reason). Fuck that, I’m not going near the place.

113826 ▶▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Richard O, 12, #831 of 1402 🔗

You should see my office, it looks like a mass shooting has occurred as there is hazard tape everywhere. 80% of desks taped up Because staying 1m apart is insufficient – they have designed the layout so that no one ever passes within 2m of anyone else! One-way systems and no one to sit within 2m of where anyone else could possibly want to walk.

One person per lift, that’s going to be fun. So I guess instead of using the lift, people will have to climb the stairs, but hang on a sec, wouldn’t that mean people getting out of breath and touching the handrail, thereby spreading the evil ‘rona even more? Stupid logic (so inconvenient). In truth the office modifications have nothing to do with a virus and everything to do with looking like they are keeping people safe.

113830 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to TheBluePill, 9, #832 of 1402 🔗

My wife’s office doesn’t have a limit on the numbers allowed in the lifts, but it does have signs asking people to face the walls while using them! Nobody actually does this of course.

113842 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 4, #833 of 1402 🔗

Do they also require them to wear a dunce’s cap?

It’s like that film The Blair Witch Project, what a mad request.

113864 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Laura Suckling, 4, #834 of 1402 🔗

Haha, maybe that will be next!

Apparently it’s mostly pretty chilled out, with just the odd strange request like that thrown in here and there. They’ve been open throughout so didn’t have to implement a load of nonsense to demonstrate to anyone that they were ready for a ‘grand reopening’.

She did discover one other odd process today though. The company has shuttle buses to take employees between sites, the subcontracting firm who operate the buses have a new policy of not using the onboard air conditioning to ‘stop the spread’!

113873 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #835 of 1402 🔗

Thanks for the great mental image!

113886 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TheBluePill, 2, #836 of 1402 🔗

It sounds hellish. I’m so glad not to have to suffer it!

113887 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TheBluePill, 4, #837 of 1402 🔗

I am so glad I am unemployable.

113836 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Richard O, 2, #838 of 1402 🔗

I’ve been working all the way through in an urgent care centre. A temperature above 37.8 has very low specificity

114337 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, #839 of 1402 🔗

So practising medicine without a licence then?

113812 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Richard O, #840 of 1402 🔗

That’s about my favourite comment today. Worthy of Biker.

113769 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to Poppy, 6, #841 of 1402 🔗

You are not alone Poppy. I hate working from home and share your view of the wider downsides.

113775 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Poppy, 3, #842 of 1402 🔗

You are not alone I miss pre march office working, WFH getting on my tits

113777 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Poppy, 3, #843 of 1402 🔗

Twitter isn’t real life, and is dominated by far left sociopaths.

113837 ▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to Poppy, 3, #844 of 1402 🔗

They were actually shooting one of the Dettol ads on the steps of Kings Cross Underground yesterday though I don’t expect they will use the picture with me in the background with a mask round my chin and a maniacal smile on my face

113846 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Hoppy Uniatz, 1, #845 of 1402 🔗

Hope you were doing a two finger salute at the time.

113868 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Poppy, #846 of 1402 🔗

“Putting on a tie”

So British. I work in financial services and in the last 20 years, the only jobs I have held that required wearing a tie daily were in the public sector and the insurance industry. Every other job (including my current one) has been smart casual.

113765 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #847 of 1402 🔗

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/7ACD87D8FD2237285EB667BB28DCC6E9/S1935789320002980a.pdf/public_health_lessons_learned_from_biases_in_coronavirus_mortality_overestimation.pdf

“Public health lessons learned from biases in coronavirus mortality overestimation”

One of the most fateful information to the US Congress in March was the probability that C-19 was 10 times deadlier than flu. This was contrary to an NEJM article in Feb which stated that “C-19 the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%).”However that was a mistake as the WHO had seasonal flu IFR at 0.1% But the congress was informed the adjusted mortality rate from coronavirus of 1% was then compared with the 0.1% mortality rate from seasonal influenza(IFR), and the conclusion was reported to the House Committee that the coronavirus was ten-times more lethal than seasonal. I think informing the congress that C-19 was 10 times deadlier than seasonal  flu was important from a psychological perspective. Ten times deadlier. Have they been informed that the CFR for swine flu was in the same range as C-19 and perhaps that C-19 was 4 times deadlier than seasonal flu (comparing IFR) or C-19 the same as Asiatic flu 1957 or twice as Hong Kong flu perhaps they would not so easily accepted the lockdown.

113773 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 6, #848 of 1402 🔗

Of course, as data has emerged, even the lower estimate for an IFR for Covid is questionable, since, even amongst the inflated elderly/vulnerable population, it was rarely the actual cause of death.

113776 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, 3, #849 of 1402 🔗

And if they were informed that the testing over estimated the positivity rates rendering them next to meaningless without supporting diagnosis.

The whole thing is blatantly agenda driven. They were licking their lips at the prospect of driving the Great Reset or whatever they are calling it.

Our public institutions are captured by corporate interests. End of

113766 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 17, #850 of 1402 🔗

The inhumane university living conditions will surely cause an enormous “spike” or indeed “surge” in suicide numbers amongst teenagers living away from home for the first time and denied a social support network. There is no way I would have coped with living in isolation at that point in my life. I hope they all drop out quickly and universities have to think again. Why would anyone bother with it all?

113771 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #851 of 1402 🔗

The students feel trapped because the universities introduced all these draconian measures after the cheques had been cleared. Some will be in their last year at uni, and don’t want to throw it all away by not going back after Christmas, assuming they survive that long.

113780 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Lms23, 5, #852 of 1402 🔗

And what are the chances of them getting a job instead? Nor can they work their way around the world while seeing the sights as some of my friends did 25+ years ago. It must feel like the only option.

113843 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #853 of 1402 🔗

My step-daughter’s started a two-year Travel and Tourism college course this week. I’ve told her it’s good to be optimistic.

113853 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #854 of 1402 🔗

There’s also the danger of individuals or even groups resenting what’s being done to them and lashing out at some point.

113863 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #855 of 1402 🔗

I hope so.

113998 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #856 of 1402 🔗

Could be interesting for the US election

114009 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #857 of 1402 🔗

This is something that worries me a lot. When I was in my first year of uni I found living away from home for the first time difficult enough without all these horrifically cruel restrictions. As Charlie Blue’s comment rightly points out below, young people don’t even have the alternative options of travel or a job either. This will scar an entire generation and the consequences may take years to manifest but when they do, they will be serious.

113768 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 3, #858 of 1402 🔗

Regarding the ongoing California lockdown, according to my cousin who lives there, Gavin Newsome has also dictated that lockdown won’t be lifted until the population has got rid of the discrepancy in infections/deaths between the BAME and white populations.
If it’s genetic, or due to other similar causes, and not “racism”, then lockdown will never be lifted, as there’ll be nothing the people can do about it.
And as Newsome is in charge, isn’t the responsibility his???

113786 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Lms23, 2, #859 of 1402 🔗

You get what you vote for.

113943 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #860 of 1402 🔗

My cousin didn’t vote for Newsome, and hates the Democrats.
As they happily commit voter fraud, it’s difficult to judge how many people in California really voted for him either.

This going to go nationwide in November, i.e. vote Trump, get Biden anyway.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-phantom-win-election-1528948
“Trump Is Heading for a ‘Red Mirage’ Win on Election Night, Bloomberg-Funded Data Firm Says”
i.e., all those mail-in ballots appearing days after a Trump election night landslide will swing the vote to Biden, once the Democrats know how many votes they have to fake.

114195 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Lms23, 1, #861 of 1402 🔗

Yep. the old LBJ special.
The world, his wife, and cat will all be voting for Biden.. whether they are alive or not!
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/deceased-cat-gets-voter-registration-application-in-the-mail

114099 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #862 of 1402 🔗

I never voted for these totalitarian arseholes.

113871 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Lms23, 3, #863 of 1402 🔗

And to think California used to represent for many some kind of dreamland to which they aspired

113944 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Julian, 1, #864 of 1402 🔗

They’re leaving in droves, and have been doing so for years.

113930 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Lms23, 1, #865 of 1402 🔗

Wonder what they do about skid row

113772 Klein, replying to Klein, 3, #866 of 1402 🔗

Christ what a depressing update today…

Anyone got any good news?

113779 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Klein, 9, #867 of 1402 🔗

The man who delivered a scaffold tower to me this morning didn’t have a face nappy on.

113904 ▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Two-Six, 6, #868 of 1402 🔗

Nor do my builders. And they cheerfully take the tea and biscuits I offer.

114378 ▶▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Thinkaboutit, 1, #869 of 1402 🔗

Likewise, the three electricians with us today.

113785 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to Klein, 11, #870 of 1402 🔗

Went to the hairdressers yesterday. No mention of masks. Three customers – none of us masked. My hairdresser wore her mask round her chin (in case the council come past so I can whip it up – she said). Everyone chatting and gossiping – just like the old days.

113793 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to The Spingler, 8, #871 of 1402 🔗

I found a human hair in my in my toasted sausage sandwich this morning (the good news being that I removed it before eating the sandwich)

113814 ▶▶▶▶ The Spingler, replying to Cecil B, 1, #872 of 1402 🔗

Happy days of Yore!

113788 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Klein, 12, #873 of 1402 🔗

My 85 yo neighbour just came out to me as a sceptic while standing very close indeed (no masks involved). She is a former headteacher. She noted that the only precaution she would now take would be to avoid air travel for a few more months.

114339 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #874 of 1402 🔗

‘Came out as a sceptic’ – lol 🙂

113809 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Klein, 3, #875 of 1402 🔗

Star Trek is going to have its first transgender character.

(Well, the BBC thinks it’s amazing news…)

113816 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #876 of 1402 🔗

Too late, Spock, been there done that

113821 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Cecil B, 3, #877 of 1402 🔗

Typical BBC – spreading disinformation as usual.

113867 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #878 of 1402 🔗

Not content with Trills then.

113900 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #879 of 1402 🔗

rubbish. Tribbles were pangender given that they were born pregnant. And who knows about the genders that all the other alien entities in Star trek were

113926 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #880 of 1402 🔗

Right.
That’ll get the viewers flooding back…

113820 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Klein, 7, #881 of 1402 🔗

This actually cheered me up… a lovely old couple relating how they made cups of tea for the ravers on their mountain. You really will get a welcome on the hillside in Wales – even for an illegal rave.

Tidy!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-53996011

113822 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Klein, 14, #882 of 1402 🔗

Went to a well known supermarket yesterday with a naked face – not a murmur from anyone. Only one other person the same but no trouble anyway. I’ve never been a rebel in my life but I don’t see any other option now.

113862 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to CGL, 12, #883 of 1402 🔗

You might think going bare-faced is a political statement and you’re absolutely right.

113928 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #884 of 1402 🔗

MOH won’t let me go to the supermarket unmasked because of other nutters having a go at me. I personally don’t care. I can hold my own, but that’s not what we’re going shopping for, i.e. a row.

113968 ▶▶▶▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to Lms23, 1, #885 of 1402 🔗

That’s what mine is worried about too but we often have a row when we’re shopping, nothing new there!

113832 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Klein, #886 of 1402 🔗

Thinking hard…………………………………………

I’ll get back to you.

113845 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Klein, 6, #887 of 1402 🔗

I took a Ryanair flight yesterday, it was full.

113878 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Recusant, 1, #888 of 1402 🔗

Did you wear masks?

113850 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Klein, 3, #889 of 1402 🔗

If you’re able to read this you’re probably still alive.

113861 ▶▶ Norma McNormalface, replying to Klein, 12, #890 of 1402 🔗

Two men at our flat installing a boiler today, plus Virgin media engineer round to fix our broadband connection. Not a mask in sight.

113890 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Klein, 8, #891 of 1402 🔗

Close to every single person who has visited our house to do work or deliveries has not worn a mask or distanced, and many have shaken hands without prompting. Those people also probably wear masks where it’s law to do so, so they are only doing it because it’s law, not because they believe it. So they may turn.

113891 ▶▶ watashi, replying to Klein, 10, #892 of 1402 🔗

went into town with my 3 kids, visited 3 shops, all unmasked, no issues. Seems like
the shopkeepers here are happy to see us maskless.

113901 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Klein, 11, #893 of 1402 🔗

Meter reader called. Put his mask on when he came in. I said “Don’t wear that for me”. It came off.

113909 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Klein, 3, #894 of 1402 🔗

went to a local bar/beer shop in Lord Acton’s locale. They used to have a couple of beer pumps and served drinks inside. The pumps were removed during the lockdown but were put back last week on the proviso that only 4 customers can be in the shop. Went there Sunday,fell into conversation with the other 3 customers until we were kicked out at 4PM. Got a notification since that the hours are extended and 8 people can be inside. A rare bit of good news

113924 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Klein, 4, #895 of 1402 🔗

No.
Thoroughly fed up here too.

Still, the arrest in Australia of that pregnant woman might have jolted more Aussies awake.

113933 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Klein, 5, #896 of 1402 🔗

I got some new walking boots delivered today, I’ve just tested them out in the hills – comfortable, light, dry – marvellous…

114320 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Klein, 1, #897 of 1402 🔗

I met the bloke coming to cut my hedges , I said .. would normally shake hands but we aren’t allowed with all this Covid Crap . He replied as we shook hands , ahh its all bollocks Haha. Needless to say he was employed

113794 6097 Smith W, 1, #898 of 1402 🔗
113798 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 36, #899 of 1402 🔗

My wife found this on the BMJ website. It’s common sense that a mask will restrict oxygen intake
Rapid Response:Covid-19: important potential side effects of wearing face masks that we should bear in mind
Dear Editor
In their editorial to the BMJ,[1] Greenhalgh et al. advise that surgical masks should be worn in public to prevent some transmission of covid-19, adding that we should sometimes act without definitive evidence, just in case, according to the precautionary principle. The Authors quote a definition of the precautionary principle found on Wikipedia, “a strategy for approaching issues of potential harm when extensive scientific knowledge on the matter is lacking.”
However, while no single formulation of that principle has been universally adopted,[2] the precautionary principle aims at preventing researchers and policy makers from neglecting potentially-harmful side effects of interventions. Before implementing clinical and public health interventions, one must actively hypothesise and describe potential side effects and only then decide whether they are worth being quantified on not.
Most scientific articles and guidelines in the context of the covid-19 pandemic highlight two potential side effects of wearing surgical face masks in the public, but we believe that there are other ones that are worth considering before any global public health policy is implemented involving billions of people.
The two potential side effects that have already been acknowledged are:
(1) Wearing a face mask may give a false sense of security and make people adopt a reduction in compliance with other infection control measures, including social distancing and hands washing.[3]
(2) Inappropriate use of face mask: people must not touch their masks, must change their single-use masks frequently or wash them regularly, dispose them correctly and adopt other management measures, otherwise their risks and those of others may increase.[3,4]
Other potential side effects that we must consider are:
(3) The quality and the volume of speech between two people wearing masks is considerably compromised and they may unconsciously come closer. While one may be trained to counteract side effect n.1, this side effect may be more difficult to tackle.
(4) Wearing a face mask makes the exhaled air go into the eyes. This generates an uncomfortable feeling and an impulse to touch your eyes. If your hands are contaminated, you are infecting yourself.
(5) Face masks make breathing more difficult. For people with COPD, face masks are in fact intolerable to wear as they worsen their breathlessness.[5] Moreover, a fraction of carbon dioxide previously exhaled is inhaled at each respiratory cycle. Those two phenomena increase breathing frequency and deepness, and hence they increase the amount of inhaled and exhaled air. This may worsen the burden of covid-19 if infected people wearing masks spread more contaminated air. This may also worsen the clinical condition of infected people if the enhanced breathing pushes the viral load down into their lungs.
(5B) The effects described at point 5 are amplified if face masks are heavily contaminated (see point 2)
(6) While impeding person-to-person transmission is key to limiting the outbreak, so far little importance has been given to the events taking place after a transmission has happened, when innate immunity plays a crucial role. The main purpose of the innate immune response is to immediately prevent the spread and movement of foreign pathogens throughout the body.[6] The innate immunity’s efficacy is highly dependent on the viral load. If face masks determine a humid habitat where the SARS-CoV-2 can remain active due to the water vapour continuously provided by breathing and captured by the mask fabric, they determine an increase in viral load and therefore they can cause a defeat of the innate immunity and an increase in infections. This phenomenon may also interact with and enhance previous points.
In conclusion, as opposed to Greenhalgh et al., we believe that the context of the current covid-19 pandemic is very different from that of the “parachutes for jumping out of aeroplanes”,[7] in which the dynamics of harm and prevention are easy to define and even to quantify without the need of research studies. It is necessary to quantify the complex interactions that may well be operating between positive and negative effects of wearing surgical masks at population level. It is not time to act without evidence.

113833 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #900 of 1402 🔗

That’s brilliant.

113849 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 10, #901 of 1402 🔗

The simple logic would be the less virus in general circulation the less effect any mask usage can have.

If say 1% of the population have the virus, 99% of people wearing masks have zero contribution to stopping the spread. It would make more sense to have people wear them if a certain level of infection is reached.

It’s not hard to see that 99% of people would therefore be taking on all the potential risks of wearing a mask for zero benefit.

113985 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #902 of 1402 🔗

Absolutely – as applies also to testing (which is why Norway abandoned such blanket measures).

113865 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #903 of 1402 🔗

Dear BMJ reader,
As editor of the BMJ I would like to take the opportunity to thank you for your input. We really do value your comments. I would like to re-assure you that we at the BMJ are closely following “The Science” on the matter of mandatory global face mask wearing.

The emerging science seems to suggest that face coverings might possibly attenuate the viral plume generated by spluttering, coughing, sneezing, shouting, singing, laughing or breathing in enclosed spaces like an ice rink, theatre, any retail premises, hotel foyers, a chip shop, a kebab shop or Chinese, in a train or omnibus .

We continue to monitor closely the opinions of our learned colleges on this matter and will stay alert to any newly emerging evidence from our partners.

We will review the evidence on a regular basis to decide if extending mandatory masking to other settings is a reasonable precautionary principle to follow. Also let me put your mind at rest, our partners will be able to meet production targets in the next few weeks. So don’t concern yourself with the emergence of a 2nd wave, we have it covered!…So to speak

Apologies for my medical joke there, I understand this is no laughing matter.

Once again we would like to thank you for your participation in our great community and we look forward to any farther engagement you might have with us here at the BMJ.

Stay safe. Be Kind

Dr Anastasia Horn-Rim-Butler

114120 ▶▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Two-Six, #904 of 1402 🔗

Wow, who did the research in chip-shops?

“might possibly” – case proved then?

113918 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #905 of 1402 🔗

They could also include reference to the known harms of ” mask mouth”
Look it up on DuckDuckGo or:
https://www.foxnews.com/health/mask-mouth-dentists-new-term

113989 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nessimmersion, #906 of 1402 🔗

What a funny little picture too.

113920 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #907 of 1402 🔗

Greenwald backs the Marxist BLM organisation. It’s on her Twitter profile. I don’t trust anything she says on that basis alone, as the entire BLM organisation and movement is based on lies (i.e., “Hands up, don’t shoot,” which never happened, and was the epitome of faked news).

114177 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Lms23, -1, #908 of 1402 🔗

Yep. Now they (BLM) in a completely sickening act, have even trashed Graceland! because, “oh racism, Elvis had black hair” or something..who the hell knows how they justify this – pretty sure Elvis has jet black hair because he was part Cherokee Indian! For a lot of people now I suspect this will be a step too far…

113815 James Bertram, replying to James Bertram, #909 of 1402 🔗

The covid19assembly.org server is down – gremlins or censorship?

This site can’t be reached http://www.covid19assembly.org ’s server IP address could not be found.
DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN

Anyone experiencing the same problem?

113823 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to James Bertram, 1, #910 of 1402 🔗

Up and running for me just now…

113840 ▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Mr Dee, #911 of 1402 🔗

Thanks, Mr Dee.
Still not working here – so I guess it’s gremlins.

113852 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to James Bertram, #912 of 1402 🔗

Up and running here too.

113818 Cicatriz, replying to Cicatriz, 30, #913 of 1402 🔗

How do they know that younger people are now being infected when they weren’t being infected earlier in the year? There were no randomised tests earlier, only the selection bias of asking people who had symptoms to be tested. Given that many younger people are asymptomatic, I would posit that the is purely an artefact of testing and nothing to do with different infection vectors.

113825 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Cicatriz, 7, #914 of 1402 🔗

Answer: They consult the Dragon Bones.

113914 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Cicatriz, 4, #915 of 1402 🔗

Absolutely correct, it’s what Prof Heneghan has been saying as well.

113947 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cicatriz, 6, #916 of 1402 🔗

They need to increase the fear. Look, young people are now getting it when they didn’t before, so it must be worse/different/more dangerous etc etc ad nauseum. And don’t kill granny.

113956 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Cicatriz, 7, #917 of 1402 🔗

Yes this is exactly what’s happening. During the actual epidemic we were only testing people who actually needed treatment. We have 300k or so total “cases” but the total number of infections is north of 10 million even by conservative estimates.

Given that we had such a small and heavily biased sample in March (and still do now, just differently biased) then there’s no way any meaningful comparison can be made with it now about young people getting infected more.

113995 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cicatriz, 4, #918 of 1402 🔗

They want the young people brainwashed to start shaming their parents and elders, just like climate change.

Disgusting

113831 p02099003, #919 of 1402 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53983963 – this is at least 5 months old, we were aware of this back in March
Finally more propaganda from the BBC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-54010232
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53869671

113835 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 2, #920 of 1402 🔗

Guys! My gracious government is considering permitting me to nominate a friend to visit. They’ve isolated us but are now realising that single people are doing it tough. Lucky, lucky me.
https://www.facebook.com/davidlimbrickldp/photos/a.1578455645785625/2485272821770565/?type=3&theater

113841 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Caramel, 3, #921 of 1402 🔗

Eeny, meeny, miiny, mo…

113869 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Caramel, 4, #922 of 1402 🔗

Invite Dan Andrews for a visit…

114034 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #923 of 1402 🔗

And tie him to the bedposts and muzzle him. Show him what confinement feels like.

114141 ▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to Mr Dee, #924 of 1402 🔗

Nah, I’ve had enough of restrictions and wouldn’t fancy going to jail after his visit.

113844 Richard O, replying to Richard O, #925 of 1402 🔗

They are getting desperate. This was briefly showing as being the top trending post on my Twitter feed.

https://twitter.com/i/events/1288477138606120960

It is nothing of the sort. Just a collection of discredited propaganda puff pieces with no contributions from real people (hence “event” in the url as opposed to “status”).

113913 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Richard O, 6, #926 of 1402 🔗


HuffPost UK Life
@HuffPostUKLife
·
14 Apr
Health experts wrote in The BMJ that people should be encouraged to wear face masks as a precautionary measure “on the grounds that we have little to lose and potentially something to gain”.”

Aside from this coming from the highly biased Huff Post, what do we have to lose?? Oxygen. Social interactions. Our immune systems….

113927 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lms23, 6, #927 of 1402 🔗

Self respect

113945 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Lms23, 6, #928 of 1402 🔗

Life, as we knew it.

113847 Chicot, replying to Chicot, 13, #929 of 1402 🔗

BBC completely ignoring the elephant in the room that is Africa’s widespread use of hcq to treat Malaria.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53998374

113884 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Chicot, 2, #930 of 1402 🔗

africa doesnt have lots of 90+ year olds in homes.

plus it’s hot.

excess deaths in UK last 2 weeks was put down to the heatwave. people vulnerable to covid were already dead in any hot country

113903 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to steve_w, 7, #931 of 1402 🔗

Its not just Africa though, its Russia as well, in fact every country without a Fauci or Whitty:
https://c19study.com/

113970 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to steve_w, #932 of 1402 🔗

Those factors should also apply to at least parts of South America though and they seem to have been hit very hard, especially Peru.

113990 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Chicot, #933 of 1402 🔗

Peru is a mountainous, coastal country though – “ The coastal region has moderate temperatures, low precipitation, and high humidity, except for its warmer, wetter northern reaches”

114039 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Mr Dee, #934 of 1402 🔗

I dare say the cities are where the people live. Essentially its to broad a sweep to look at georaphical topography as an indicator in these circumstances. A chart with geographical locations of related deaths brings geography alive.

114390 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #935 of 1402 🔗

Peru has had the world’s strictest lockdown since April.
Sooner or later the penny is going to drop that stricter lockdowns correlate with worse outbreaks.
Peru vs Brazil.
Spain vs Sweden
Maine vs N Dakota.
Scotland vs Wales.

The story is the same on every sodding continent, strict lockdown & geberal maskhole behaviour by authorities / Karens = worse Covid outbreak.
Probably because they are not allowing herd immunity to happen amongst the young.

113858 Kev, replying to Kev, 22, #936 of 1402 🔗

Based on reported figures betweeen 400 and 500 (1% of reported deaths) people have died in the UK from Covid-19, as the only reported morbidity with no other existing conditions reported. Not all of these have been confirmed by post-mortem.

99% of deaths are reported with one or more existing chronic conditions, and 50% of those are with 3 or more existing chronic conditions.

We could safely say that maybe 10% of all deaths attributed to Covid-19 have resulted in people with serious pre-existing conditions, have died earlier than they may have otherwise without Covid-19. This appears to be borne out by the current weekly/monthly reported deaths being lower than the 5-year average. So if we are charitable we might accept that between 4,000 and 5,000 people have died in the last 5 months due to Covid-19, but not necessarilly of Covid-19.

On average, 500 people a day die from cancer, and around 150 per day die from heart disease.

And yet still we are treating this disease as if it were the Black Death or Ebola.

Ironically, when we did have an Ebola scare we treated it as if it werre the seasonal flu.

113882 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Kev, 9, #937 of 1402 🔗

I think 10% of the 50,000 or so deaths are people who would have lived significanty longer otherwise. 90% were just terminally ill people with deaths bought forward. They need to find the life years lost or quality adjusted life years lost (QALYs) which will end up being smaller than that due to extra suicides let alone everything else

113866 redbirdpete, replying to redbirdpete, 30, #938 of 1402 🔗

It’s easy to take the mick out of the Covidmania. But we need to work out some way to fight it or we are going to find we are living in a high tech version of East Germany within a year.

113874 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to redbirdpete, 25, #939 of 1402 🔗

Agreed. My current strategy is as follows:

  1. Non-violent non-compliance across the board, regardless of the cost to my own welfare.
  2. Assertively engage at least one other person every day to make them aware of the questions about the government/MSM narratives.
  3. Support trustworthy public figures who are leading the fight.

I suspect most of us on here are already doing the above, so it is clear that this is insufficient. There are definitely cracks appearing in the dam, but not quickly enough to thwart the transformation of our society.

Physical resistance will be required sooner rather than later. I have never engaged in anything like this before, so will have to improvise according to my situation.

114037 ▶▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to Richard O, 5, #940 of 1402 🔗

Yes: on your point 3 what would help enormously is if lockdown sceptic academics, scientists and those working in the NHS could be encouraged/supported to voice their scepticism. Ideally, collectively.

113875 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to redbirdpete, 17, #941 of 1402 🔗

I think it is fair to say we are already quite a way down that road. Imagine if there was a political party opposed to lockdown lunacy, mask madness and the fake science, then would the Electoral Commission refuse to allow it to register?… would the BBC, Sky and ITV report on it with huge negative bias? … would Ofcom demand that it be censored?…would the Police and Security Services target it for investigation?….would Facebook, You Tube and Twitter close down its accounts? It is concerning to think that the answer is probably yes to all of those.

113885 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to OKUK, 5, #942 of 1402 🔗

You may well be right. I think we do need a new single-issue political party, to frighten the Tories and be the focus of anti-madness efforts. My thinking was partly that political parties have a legal status and protection that other bodies may not have. We may find out just how bad things are, should someone manage to found one, and more importantly, fund it.

113954 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to OKUK, 2, #943 of 1402 🔗

A Freedom party? Obviously couldn’t call it that far too right wing

114003 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to 6097 Smith W, 3, #944 of 1402 🔗

The FFT Party — Freedom From Tyranny. We have a new leader of our version of the Conservative Party here in Canada, but upwards of 80% think our current government has done a bang up job dealing with Covid so I don’t hold out any hope of things getting better here. Given the current climate, it would be political suicide for him to speak out against the current measures.

114290 ▶▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #945 of 1402 🔗

Aaargh a reminder I didn’t want to hear, Lisa. You and I are surrounded by coronaphobic cheerleaders of Justin and the various chief medical officers in every province. The cult-like worship of Dr. Bonnie Henry here in BC is seriously worrying…my mother is one of her loyal devotees

114045 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, 1, #946 of 1402 🔗

You don’t have to be a Labour supporter or fan of Jeremy Corbyn to see what would happen – an all-out propaganda initiative based on the dual prongs of misinformation and omission of alternative information to the government narrative, backed by a recruited core of compliant presenter/’journalists’ who have little no experience of investigative journalism.

113883 ▶▶ Julian, replying to redbirdpete, 8, #947 of 1402 🔗

It might be less than a year. Australia and NZ already seem like they are there. One step at a time, at present, I’m afraid.

113921 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 9, #948 of 1402 🔗

While in certain states in America it seems that the direction of travel is the kind of Auz/NZ policy approach, I think there is at least the sceptic in Trump. I am by far his greatest fan but on Covid alone I think he has got some good wins.

1. Early to back HCQ
2. Defended the White Coats when they supported HCQ
3. Seems to have installed new people at the CDC which led to their change in testing approach (i.e.symptomatics only) and 6% of Covid-19 deaths.
4. Was against masks so I am sure he’ll be pushing back there when the time is right.
5. America has turned its corner on CV19 it would seem.

He’s also been showing signs of being hard on pharmaceutical companies for their market power.

He’s withdrawn WHO funding.

Much more awake on the issue than BJ has been it would seem.

He’s keen on national sovereignty (MAGA) averse to global bodies like the UN and IPCC.

Thoughts? I certainly want him to defeat Biden

113937 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #949 of 1402 🔗

He’s deeply flawed and a big disappointment in many ways over covid and lots of other things, but yes, if Biden wins then the might of the US will be behind the madness. If Trump wins, not so much.

113951 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 13, #950 of 1402 🔗

Yes, it’s not perfect. But the choice, just on a Covid basis is stark. Never thought I’d say it but Trump is the lesser of two evils by a long way

113964 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Marie R, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #951 of 1402 🔗

6 months ago I wouldn’t have said it….or be ‘liking ‘ comments in the Sun!

114018 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Julian, 7, #952 of 1402 🔗

As a Canadian I’ve been kind of obsessed with US politics for years now and can’t stand Trump. He’s a malignant narcissist with no attention span and is not smart. Having said that, as soon as Biden said he’d mandate masks indoors and outdoors and wouldn’t hesitate to lockdown the country on the say so of the “experts”, he lost me. I don’t have a vote, but I realized there are some things more dangerous than Trump. Even a few months ago I would have thought Biden would win easily, and now I’m starting to think Trump may actually beat him. All it takes is 10-20 thousand people in the swing states to protest the government overreach and he wins a second term. Between the far left craziness, the riots, and the blue state governors becoming emperors and keeping their states from economic recovery, the election outcome is by no means certain.

114083 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 3, #953 of 1402 🔗

Feeling the same here… 6 months ago, even 3-4 months, I would never have thought I would have so completely lost trust in the Democrats and Biden. Even without the fact that they (or at least the media who support them) have exploited and likely prolonged the crisis for political gain, to me they now represent authoritarian, paternalistic, top-down government that “knows best” in a way rooted more in ideology than science or hard facts, whatever their claims otherwise. And not just on pandemic-related issues!

It’s just possible that the tide of opinion will have turned enough in the following 2 months (given that the virus seems to be on the decline in most/all states now) that the Democrats start to backtrack on masks, lockdowns etc. if polls show Trump has a clear lead. Especially if Republican states start to open up more. But I’m really not holding up much hope!

114011 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to redbirdpete, 2, #954 of 1402 🔗

Agree completely.

The philosopher John Rawls said that truth is [the first virtue] of systems of thought.

We need to seek out, and then communicate via every channel at our disposal, the truth about Covid-19.

And expose what is not true.

113898 Tim Bidie, 3, #955 of 1402 🔗

More recent evidence (Aug 11 2020) of the effectiveness of BCG vaccination (using BCG Tokyo-172) against covid 19 infection:

‘The COVID-19 pandemic has come under control in many Asian countries where it flared up early in its course. Among these is Japan….’

‘The researchers say, “This is the first study to demonstrate an impact of routine infant BCG vaccine coverage among younger people, especially those born between 1995 and 2004, on local COVID-19 spread in Japan.” The explanation for this association is that BCG reduces the number of asymptomatic transmissions, where infections that result in no or only mild symptoms spread the infection substantially.

These findings suggest that BCG vaccination does play an influential role in protecting against the spread of infection on a mass scale.’

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200819/Routine-BCG-immunization-in-infancy-and-COVID-19-containment-in-Japan.aspx

Japanese bacteriologist Kiyoshi Shiga introduced BCG to Japan in 1924. The 172nd passage from the first culture is the origin of the Japanese routine infant BCG vaccine (Tokyo-172). 4 The BCG vaccination program has been the principal element in tuberculosis control in Japan for more than 70 years.’

The BCG vaccine coverage in 1999–2002, 2004, and 2012 in five prefectures with no COVID-19 infections was significantly higher than that in five prefectures with a high prevalence of infections.’

https://www.journalofinfection.com/article/S0163-4453(20)30547-8/fulltext

Murdoch Children’s Research Institute has organized BRACE, a Phase 3, two-group, multicenter, open-label, randomized, controlled trial of up to 4170 health care workers in Australian hospitals to determine if BCG vaccination reduces the incidence and severity of COVID-19 during the 2020 pandemic [4]. Primary results are expected in October 2020, and full study results are expected in March 2022.’

Lifespan.io 2020

113905 Janice21, replying to Janice21, 41, #956 of 1402 🔗

Hi I am really glad to find this website and forum as I am a lockdown skeptic here in N Ireland. More and more people in my country are thankfully not putting up with the mainstream media lies and muzzle compliance here.

114056 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Janice21, 3, #957 of 1402 🔗

Welcome to sceptics land, an alternative universe of pseudo-sanity.

114057 ▶▶ Klein, replying to Janice21, 4, #958 of 1402 🔗

Hi – another N.Irelander here too! Whereabouts are you? I find it depends where you go regarding masks…had to go to M&S there and it was a sea of masks 🙁

114062 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Janice21, 3, #959 of 1402 🔗

Has anyone told you about the initiation ceremony yet?

114301 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Achilles, 2, #960 of 1402 🔗

Initiation ceremony: Wipe your bum with a mask then hand it to a mask zealot.

114298 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Janice21, 1, #961 of 1402 🔗

Always good to see new people. The site now gets more than 1000 comments every day, which is great but sometimes gives me a “fear of missing out”! The “most voted” option is useful.

113908 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 31, #962 of 1402 🔗

BBC article saying that the arrest in handcuffs of a pregnant mother is ‘controversial’.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-54007824

Includes these lines on the possibility that the main problem with the arrest is that it might encourage ‘conspiracy theorists’.

Critics also warned that it could further stoke anti-lockdown sentiment or conspiracy theories, noting the video had been shared among groups in Australia and the US. :

Such groups have alleged, often incorrectly , that lockdown measures infringe human rights.

I wonder who determines whether it is ‘correct’ or not, and what are the criteria?

113910 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Barney McGrew, 22, #963 of 1402 🔗

Pure Orwellian double-speak. The bastards. The BBC….no shame.

113949 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Two-Six, 5, #964 of 1402 🔗

There are times when the only possible solution seems to be a strategically placed neutron bomb.

113911 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Barney McGrew, 26, #965 of 1402 🔗

Apologies to grannies or those of a sensitive disposition

The BBC are fucking cunts for writing that

113912 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Julian, 2, #966 of 1402 🔗

Freekin Charlies..please
You Mellon Farmer
😉

113919 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Barney McGrew, 8, #967 of 1402 🔗

Im not paying for a TV licence ever again, the BBC arent getting a penny from me.

113932 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Barney McGrew, 10, #968 of 1402 🔗

If anyone still pays their TV licence. Stop. Today. Right now.

113955 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Barney McGrew, 8, #969 of 1402 🔗

Ah right. So lockdown isn’t infringing any human rights. I was worried there for a second. Good to know. Thanks Auntie Beeb.

113971 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Barney McGrew, 10, #970 of 1402 🔗

The BBC must die.

113983 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #971 of 1402 🔗

I see “often incorrectly” as “sometimes correctly”. Weasly words as usual.

114000 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #972 of 1402 🔗

In the same way that some of Adolf Hitlers actions were “controversial”?

114027 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Barney McGrew, #973 of 1402 🔗

Did marianna spring and mike wending have a hand in crafting the propaganda under-message?

114159 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #975 of 1402 🔗

Well, they’re maintaining their role as thought police. No comments allowed.

113923 assoc, replying to assoc, 3, #976 of 1402 🔗

Further to comments made about Wetherspoons this notice has just appeared in my local.
What is the law on this? I assume it is only guidance but I do not want a fine!

113934 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to assoc, 4, #977 of 1402 🔗

Meet up to 30 people.everything else is guidance.Dont know about local lockdown rules so if you have the misfortune to live in one I can’t help you

113935 ▶▶ guy153, replying to assoc, 7, #978 of 1402 🔗

I think you’ll be fine just say everyone you’re with is in your support bubble and there’s nothing to worry about.

I don’t think anyone who isn’t a Wykeham professor of logic understands support bubbles anyway.

113980 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to guy153, 2, #979 of 1402 🔗

Support bubble?? Is that like when you pass-wind in the bath?

113938 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to assoc, 3, #980 of 1402 🔗

I thought all the gatherings nonsense was no more. Up to 30 people indoors I think, all the rest is just guidance.

113946 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #981 of 1402 🔗

Guidance for outdoors is still up to 30 people, they may attempt to impose that as law. This also applies to weddings and funerals for instance.

Indoors its up to 6 people from any household.

In the time its taken me to type this, Boris has probably done another U-turn, so who knows, its all insanity for a bad cold.

114071 ▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Kev, #982 of 1402 🔗

I think it is up to 30 people indoors. All else is guidance.

See the Law not Fiction website, Happy to be contradicted if I have that wrong.

laworfiction.com/2020/07/lockdown-laws-in-england-have-been-revoked/

114079 ▶▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to DressageRider, #983 of 1402 🔗

Indoors does not however include a private house, but relates to other premises, eg church halls, businesses, etc.

114108 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to DressageRider, #984 of 1402 🔗

Yes, up to 30 in private houses are OK as I understand it.

113941 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to assoc, 3, #985 of 1402 🔗

They’ve had those up in my local one since it reopened. Ignore it.

113965 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to assoc, 6, #986 of 1402 🔗

Well that makes things clear. As mud.

Ignore the law. That’s the only way we can defeat this. If you get a fine (you won’t), appeal and clog up the court system. Enjoy your anarchy.

114048 ▶▶▶ Youth_Unheard, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #987 of 1402 🔗

Absolutely this. The only way to get rid of the stupid laws is for people to break them en masse. Infuriating people wear masks and limit party sizes in the vain hope that it makes a difference and means the government will change sooner. Eventually more will start being disobedient I hope.

114129 ▶▶▶ Gillian, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #988 of 1402 🔗

In Scotland (don’t know about England, Wales or NI), challenge your fixed penalty notice immediately you get it (there is a time limit and if you let it pass you will be deemed to have “accepted” the penalty and it can be enforced like a court fine ie possible imprisonment). Once challenged, you wait for action by PF. I have it on the best authority that this WON’T be citation to court (there is a backlog which is estimated to take 4 years to clear). Most likely it will be “no pro” (no proceedings), in which case you will hear nothing (they won’t even have the courtesy to tell you) OR a letter from PF saying don’t do it again or you will be prosecuted (use the letter as toilet paper and carry on doing whatever you were doing, they still won’t prosecute you). Court time will be like gold dust for the next 2 years (at least), so they can’t waste it on minor rubbish.

113953 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 7, #989 of 1402 🔗

Don’t ask questions, know your place, obey our commands.

113959 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to richard riewer, 3, #990 of 1402 🔗

Obey those in authority over you!

113957 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 14, #991 of 1402 🔗

So Wancock thinks that cases are rising “exponentially” in France and Spain, can someone PLEASE sit him down and attempt to explain what exponential growth actually looks like, perhaps with the aid of some simple drawings or cartoons?

113978 ▶▶ Kev, replying to A. Contrarian, 10, #992 of 1402 🔗

Who cares if it is though, as long as its not leading to rises in hospitalisations and/or deaths it doesn’t matter, its just the virus taking its natural course, which has been delayed by the totally inappropriate lockdowns. If we assume the numbers are true anyway!

This second peak of (reported) infections was entirely predictable and guaranteed by locking up totally healthy people.

It proves the lockdowns and other measures were pointless and made no difference to the overall progress of the virus, but they can’t admit that, doesn’t fit the narrative.

114021 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #993 of 1402 🔗

The fuckwit doesn’t realise he could claim that we have reached (or almost) herd immunity now due to his measures. Since hospitalisations and deaths have flatlined

114186 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to mhcp, #994 of 1402 🔗

Always time for a u-turn…

114029 ▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #995 of 1402 🔗

Don’r be nasty to him. He has trouble working out which foot comes next when walking.

It’s not fair to expect him to understand big words like ‘exponentially’ when he can’t do adding sums.

114055 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #996 of 1402 🔗

He won’t understand.

Has his orders, will follow then regardless.

What the soviets used to call a useful idiot.

114094 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #997 of 1402 🔗

Except their idiots were, well, useful.

114089 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to A. Contrarian, #998 of 1402 🔗
113963 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 13, #999 of 1402 🔗

The Victoria Deputy Commissioner Luke Cornetto … describes any protest as “bat-shit crazy” and after standing back for the BLM protest earlier in the year promises a hardline approach to any Coronaphobia protests.

Why is it that Black Lives Matter gets a free ride and the rest of us get banned from Facebook, Twitter, Youtube? There has to be some connection. I think that BLM must have a global support network with lots of funding sources. Their rallies and protests are not spontaneous, they are planned to coincide with events that give their protests more clout.

114054 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to richard riewer, #1000 of 1402 🔗

Cornetto? Isn’t that name a tad suspicious?

114143 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1001 of 1402 🔗

That’s it. BLM has corporate backing. Simple as that.

114155 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to richard riewer, 2, #1002 of 1402 🔗

Ashley Yates (@brownblaze, social media) was a former prominent member (local leader I think) of BLM. Don’t forget they established themselves 2014 after the shooting of Michael Brown and coined the ‘Hand up Don’t shoot phrase’ – which was completely debunked, and even the Obama DOJ had to say so after it caused destruction in the country. She has been attacked & kicked out of the group, for pointing out in 6 years there has been Zero accounting for where their funding has gone, not one community program, no evidence of supporting a local chapter or group, & have sponsored zero pieces of legislation. They got funding alright, over a quarter billion $ est. to have flowed to them in the last few years.

113967 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #1003 of 1402 🔗

The crank GMB presenter (actor?) Doctor who broadcasts his opini9ns into homes has been caught displaying cognitive disonance. The wind has changed. He credibility lost.

2 clips to compare and contrast.
From this
https://twitter.com/Formerlyhappy/status/1300919208243539968?s=20
To this
https://twitter.com/Formerlyhappy/status/1300919300539195392?s=20

Look him in the eyes.

113974 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 3, #1004 of 1402 🔗

The SNAKE

113975 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1005 of 1402 🔗

He is looking old isn’t he? I haven’t seen him for at least 20 years. Glad to see the bastard is looking pretty cadaverous.

113982 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 6, #1006 of 1402 🔗

Wanker, I truly hope every single one of them gets their comeuppance.

113991 ▶▶ Old Mum, replying to Basics, 1, #1007 of 1402 🔗

Looks like he’s had some botox!

113997 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Old Mum, 1, #1008 of 1402 🔗

Bolox more like it

114052 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Old Mum, 3, #1009 of 1402 🔗

Adrenochrome.

114250 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1010 of 1402 🔗

Yes, far more likely.

113992 ▶▶ Janice21, replying to Basics, 3, #1011 of 1402 🔗

I remember well him stating this about masks at the beginning! Complete gutter rat

114051 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Basics, 6, #1012 of 1402 🔗

Completely dead like Whitty, Vallance, Gates, Fauci, Birx, Soros, Hancock, Johnson and most other “public” figures.

113993 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 11, #1013 of 1402 🔗

Depressing newsletter today, as proven by the comments below.

Offlands linked this article to cheer us all up. Thank you!

https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/03/hancocks-half-hour/

The latest science says these are the most accurate ways of predicting the behaviour of the virus as opposed to the previous method of thinking of a number, subtracting it from the average height of a giant sequoia tree, multiplying it by the distance between the moon and the earth at the time of a lunar eclipse and then adding a squillion to get the final figure.

114074 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1014 of 1402 🔗

I have read it several times today and makes me laugh every time.

114238 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Cheezilla, #1015 of 1402 🔗

I didn’t get far until I had to stand up before I doubled over from intense laughter. Excellent link

113996 Kev, replying to Kev, 5, #1016 of 1402 🔗

UK is no longer the land of hope and glory.

Its the land of Woke and Cowed Obediance.

Maybe we don’t deserve to be singing those noble and insiring words, or maybe we need them now more than ever.

114093 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Kev, 3, #1017 of 1402 🔗

I agree, it’s now a really pathetic nation.

How the hell do we get the spirit back?

114142 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1018 of 1402 🔗

I’ll draw a pentagram on the floor, sit in the middle of it and rub Belladonna into my eye balls. I”ll then have visions out of which i should be able summon Boudicca, she’ll know what to do.

114002 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 33, #1019 of 1402 🔗

Scientist Bill Nye is urging everyone to wear masks, saying it is “literally a matter of life and death.”

I know what he means – I can’t open the bloody front door here in Wales – jammed shut with all those piles of corpses outside. I wish we had mandatory face-masks here.

114010 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #1020 of 1402 🔗

Do you mean comedian turned childrens entertainer turned lab coat wearing TV spectacle why you say scientist?

114016 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Basics, 3, #1021 of 1402 🔗

Ha! Is that who he is! Hilarious that they’re using him as an authority.

114015 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #1022 of 1402 🔗

Careful what you wish for, we are going to Wales next week, hopefully bare-face is still allowed.

114023 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1023 of 1402 🔗

All bare-faced cheek here, still. No sign of any changes to the ‘guidance’, or a political desire to do so.

For what it’s worth:

  • Deaths reported today: 0
  • Cases reported today: 50 (up from 42 yesterday)
  • Number of new tests: 5,938 (down from 6,776 yesterday)

Have a great time! (And I have to remember to order those badges from you… slipped my mind!)

114030 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #1024 of 1402 🔗

Drop me a line two-six@twang.co.uk perhaps we can meet up in person and I can give you some. Much safer than trying to use our totally broken postal service.

114067 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Two-Six, 4, #1025 of 1402 🔗

Currently on holiday in( South West) Wales, still maskless. Smaller shops are restricting entry with one way systems. There are some people wearing masks indoors and outdoors, but I suspect they are English visitors.

114075 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mr Dee, 11, #1026 of 1402 🔗

I’m having to push dead bodies out of the way every time I take the car out. And why must they flake out on the front lawn? So damned uncivilised, even for blasted lower class chaps.

I wish we had mandatory masks in Wales too.

114103 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #1027 of 1402 🔗

He is only a scientist for Disney Channel. Actually he has a degree in mechanical engineering so he would know all about masks I suppose. Still any educated person can have an opinion but it doesn’t automatically become true just because you have been on TV.

114248 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #1028 of 1402 🔗

The disgusting Bill Nye, is, I believe, the same one who suddenly changed the science from there being two genders into stating categorically that there were many genders.

114005 Sarigan, #1029 of 1402 🔗

B&M Foundation funding HCQ trials??

https://www.tropmedres.ac/covid-19/copcov

114006 Basics, 2, #1030 of 1402 🔗

Since the BBC propaganda unit has unleashed it’s subordinate Disinformation Unit consisting of Mike Wending and chum Marianna Spring I thought I would look at how misinformation differs from disinformation. I used the top two results from google.

misinformation- false or inaccurate information, especially that which is deliberately intended to deceive.

Disinformation is false or misleading information that is spread deliberately to deceive. This is a subset of misinformation. The English word disinformation is a loan translation of the Russian dezinformatsiya, derived from the title of a KGB black propaganda department.

The BBC unit does not have ‘counter’ in its title. I think it should. Unless it is spreading disinformation deliberately in which case the current title is accurate.

Marianna Spring has a short history working in Russia.

114019 john, 8, #1031 of 1402 🔗

I do hope the younger schoolkids are banned from doing the “ring a ring a roses” dance at playtime (if playtime is even allowed nowadays, which I suspect not) – it would count as insurrection if they did so , as it pokes fun at the terrible and fatal plague that currently haunts us, and should therefore be severely punished.

114022 stevie119, replying to stevie119, 16, #1032 of 1402 🔗

I went into the local Marks and Sparks attached to a filling station for some bits and bobs earlier, in the County of Somersetshire. First time I have had to go into a shop since The Day of the Masks. I went in – maskless and I was one of about six people in there at the time. The good news is that there were two other maskless in there too! 50%!

114024 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to stevie119, 3, #1033 of 1402 🔗

How did it feel?

114036 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steeve, 1, #1034 of 1402 🔗

Like being The Mother Of 10000 dead?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIDdvnHQrjk

114107 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Steeve, 7, #1035 of 1402 🔗

Satisfying!

114082 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to stevie119, 9, #1036 of 1402 🔗

B&Q in the county town this morning. Customers All aged 70+. All fully masked! All struggling to make it round. As the only unmasked rebel (apart from the staff) I felt sorry for the fearful deluded people. What has happened to our bulldog spirit?

114087 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Alan P, 5, #1037 of 1402 🔗

It’s gone for the moment.

114040 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #1038 of 1402 🔗

https://twitter.com/toddeherman/status/1301525999713005568

 This morning, we have the first ever radio interview with Ethical Skeptic one of the most important independent data analyst of C-19

114073 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to swedenborg, #1039 of 1402 🔗

A very good interview

114085 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1040 of 1402 🔗

It’s a very interesting interview.

But I would disagree with his assessment of the virus as ‘exceptionally dangerous’ or ‘deadly’. I can find no evidence for such an assessment in a comparative framework.

114102 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to RickH, #1041 of 1402 🔗

However, he does put it into context – “for those under 60 it’s less dangerous than the flu, for those over 80 it’s more dangerous than the flu”.

114049 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1042 of 1402 🔗

This public service message is from Canada Weather Network. It tells us how to properly dispose masks. It even has a picture showing a mask, a pair of scissors and where to cut the string!

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/news/article/masks-gloves-and-wipes-proper-disposal-can-help-protect-wildlife-coronavirus-covid-19

114053 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to richard riewer, 4, #1043 of 1402 🔗

Cutting the string on a face muzzle is pretty effective for protecting human life as well.

114220 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Steeve, 2, #1045 of 1402 🔗

Oh no! Two positives?? Our entire military will be decimated by the virus in 7 to 8 years. We must act now!!

114167 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to richard riewer, 4, #1046 of 1402 🔗

First, I always (read: never) go to The Weather Network for advice on how to dispose of hazardous medical waste. Second, I always (read: never) carry scissors with me wherever I go. Third, I always (read: never) wear a mask, so numbers 1 and 2 are irrelevant.

114050 RickH, 16, #1047 of 1402 🔗

One way of looking at the ludicrous over-estimation of the danger from Covid amongst the general public is that it provides clear evidence of the bad faith of government in this.

NO genuinely democratic goverment would willfully engage in misinforming the people it represents by use of SPI-B advertising industry techniques that are aimed to mislead.

114060 Youth_Unheard, replying to Youth_Unheard, 12, #1048 of 1402 🔗

The BBC is either lying intentionally, does not do research, or they fail to understand what they are researching and reading. They have been hammering on the last few days about the “misinformation” on mums Facebook pages about teachers being able to take children away for testing without parental consent. They then claim this is untrue. Well unfortunately the law does not agree, and maybe they and the government too are too ashamed to admit openly what it says. Under the Coronavirus Act 2020, Schedule 21, Part 2, Paragraph 18 – “(4)A power under paragraph 10 or 14 may only be exercised in relation to a child in the presence of—

(a)an individual who has responsibility for the child, or

(b)if the child is not accompanied by such an individual, an adult (not being a person on whom powers are conferred under this Part of this Schedule) that the person exercising the power considers to be appropriate, having regard to any views of the child.

(5)Where a power under this Part of this Schedule is exercisable in relation to a child but the child is not accompanied by an individual who has responsibility for the child, the person by whom the power is exercisable must—

(a)if practicable, contact an individual who has responsibility for the child before the power is exercised, or

(b)if that is not practicable, take reasonable steps after the power is exercised to contact such an individual and inform them of any exercise of the power in relation to the child”

Therefore, a teacher would certainly be deemed an appropriate adult, and if parents are unable to be contacted, they do have to power to enforce being taken away for testing and isolation. Now of course, if this was exercised, I should hope that there would be countrywide backlash even from the press and it could never go so far, but although the chances are slim, it is possible. Yet the BBC fails to acknowledge that slim chance, yet slaps a massive “false” badge on the claim that there are no documented cases of pupil to teacher transmission apply because of 6 most likely to have been caused by it. To think a majority in this country believe the news they see from them is frightening.

114066 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Youth_Unheard, 5, #1049 of 1402 🔗

BBC Mission Statement:-

The Mission of the BBC is to act in the public interest, serving all audiences through the provision of impartial, high-quality and distinctive output and services which inform, educate and entertain”.

Can only assume that statement is deep satire.

114091 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Achilles, 1, #1050 of 1402 🔗

I think they believe they are acting in the public interest, because they know what the public interest is

114070 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Youth_Unheard, 2, #1051 of 1402 🔗

As a majority now consider the BBC itself to be fake news, few people will believe the BBC’s view on this.

114061 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1052 of 1402 🔗

I think we need a political party that campaigns on only 1 law – thou shall do no harm to others.

That’s it.

Judges rule on the harm, how bad it was then sentence accordingly.

Very simple.

114065 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1053 of 1402 🔗

That’s the first rule of the Hippocratic Oath, first do no harm

114069 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1054 of 1402 🔗

Yeah. Not so sure about that. Don’t forget, silence is violence. Your innocent joke is someone else’s hate speech.

114063 Kev, replying to Kev, 2, #1055 of 1402 🔗

BBC report an additional 13 deaths (bullshit) in UK, 15 of them in England.

Priceless

Posted at 15:01

15:01
Fifteen more deaths related to coronavirus in England There have been a further 15 deaths registered which are linked to coronavirus in hospitals in England as of Thursday, according to NHS England figures.

16:39
UK records another 1,735 cases The latest figures from the UK government show there were 1,735 Covid-19 infections recorded over the past 24 hours – up from 1,508 a day earlier.

There were 13 additional deaths, the government said on Thursday.

114076 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Kev, 5, #1056 of 1402 🔗

“Linked to”.

Desperate stuff.

114077 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Kev, 2, #1057 of 1402 🔗

Great spot, that’s made my day!

Make sure you take screen shots for documentation purposes.

114092 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Kev, 2, #1058 of 1402 🔗

Usual in-depth BBC reporting.
The data includes catch up data from previous days which gave only just been reported
For 15 deaths, read 16 in the last 4 days…
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths
For 1745 “cases” read 106
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases

114095 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Kev, 5, #1059 of 1402 🔗

Two people rose from the dead, isn’t it obvious?

114215 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to leggy, 7, #1060 of 1402 🔗

Scientists still aren’t sure whether death provides lasting immunity from reinfection. But it’s believed a clean head shot should do the trick.

114218 ▶▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to guy153, 1, #1061 of 1402 🔗

Good one!

114160 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Kev, 1, #1062 of 1402 🔗

NHS England did indeed report 15 cases but some of them were very old. My guess is that they were excluded as overlapping with previously reported community cases.

114068 Lms23, replying to Lms23, 9, #1063 of 1402 🔗

Meanwhile, over in Canada:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kWhy5C4pJA8

Kentucky Man ARRESTED for Breaking Canada’s Quarantine Act!
“A kentucky man was arrested for breaking Canada’s Quarantine Act. He faced a fine of up to $750,000 CAD, 6 months in jail, OR BOTH! Moral of the story: Canada is not messing around. And… blame Canada.”

Kentucky man left his hotel to visit a tourist attraction, and wasn’t a Canadian lawyer or legislator, so presumably didn’t know Canada had turned into Communist Albania or East Germany….

114151 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Lms23, 4, #1064 of 1402 🔗

Meanwhile, a good friend’s niece — a Canadian citizen who married an American and lives in the US — came back to Toronto with her husband for a visit and not once in the two weeks they were supposed to be quarantining did any health authority contact them. Whereas my daughter moved from one province to another and has been forced to take 3 Covid tests and gets daily e-mails from the health authorities checking in with her. At least her house arrest ends tomorrow. So, it’s very randomly enforced even in communist Canada!

114423 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Lms23, #1065 of 1402 🔗

That fine makes Piers Corbyn’s look like pocket money!

114072 LGDTLK, 15, #1066 of 1402 🔗

Pretty unscientific analysis but I look at the local rag Birmingham Live rag’s FB feed every day. It’s become very noticeable over the last couple of weeks that every sensationalist panic story on infections, cases and proposed lockdowns is now met with a hail of negative comments. Most of them – like the articles themselves – are fairly uneducated and badly written. But there is a definite change in mood from the the pro-lockdown, second wave hysteria of only a few weeks back. Hearteningly the one character that gets the most abuse is the local PHE Gauleiter – a numpty by rhe name of Justin “Reg” Varney. He seems to have a cosy relationship with the hacks who in turn treat his every pronouncement as though it were handed down on tablets of stone. I don’t imagine he was expecting the level of vitriol he now gets every time his eminently slappable face appears!

114081 Liam, #1067 of 1402 🔗

Trace trace trace.

114084 Liam, replying to Liam, 1, #1068 of 1402 🔗

Trace trace trace

114154 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Liam, 5, #1069 of 1402 🔗

that’s a good way of learning to draw

114086 Laura Suckling, 6, #1070 of 1402 🔗

Alternative words for Land of Hope and Glory:

Land of sheep and robots, never to be free
How shall we escape this, utter tyranny?
Propaganda influences on the BBC
Wider still they terrify from the TV set
Wider still they terrify from the TV set

114090 WhyNow, 6, #1071 of 1402 🔗

Up until now, the Spectator has every week reported the number of UK deaths FROM Covid. This week, for the first time, they reports the number of deaths “within 28 days of testing positive for the coronavirus”. No more From or even With. Sounds like progress is being made.

114096 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1072 of 1402 🔗

From the KBF local forum (West Yorkshire):

I got a real kick in the stomach today after reading Agenda 21 on ukcolumn.org. Leeds City Council ARE implementing Agenda 21 – no wonder we are overrun with unused cycle lanes all over the place!! I have always believed in some green initiatives but not to the extreme that life becomes unbearable. Anyone else who comes under Leeds jurisdiction like to join me in challenging them?

114153 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1073 of 1402 🔗

Oxfordshire CC are also and are voting to ban fireworks events and any public event that is not carbon neutral.

114174 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Cheezilla, #1074 of 1402 🔗

Local authority annual funding allocation from central government is based upon a fairly complex formula. If you can ever find it, I think you will find that “number of miles of bicycle lanes” is a factor. This is probably the real incentive to create them.

114098 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 3, #1075 of 1402 🔗

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_%26_Wes:_The_Dynamic_Duo
a little music relief from two great musicians:

Jimmy Smith on electric organ: One of the greatest instrumental solos by any musician in any genre of music ever! It is so complex that even after 100 repeated listenings you still won’t be able to memorize all of it. That’s my blurb, by the way.

music found here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGhsUJ-k2Vc

114121 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1076 of 1402 🔗

Even if you did finally memorize all of it, are there any musicians out there that could reproduce it note by note in every details? I hope so. We need more Jimmy Smiths and Wes Montgomerys in our Puritannical Woke World to cleanse the stench of it all.

114122 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to richard riewer, #1077 of 1402 🔗

I’ve been a fan of his for many years; remember ‘Walk on the Wild Side’ and ‘The Cat’?

He once memorably said -‘I can play anything’.

A genius.

114292 ▶▶ Edward, replying to richard riewer, #1078 of 1402 🔗

Great musician. I saw him at the Glasgow Jazz Festival years ago.

114100 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 15, #1079 of 1402 🔗

Just got home from work, so maybe it has already been commented:
The Scottish corona count website now admits that they are mis-reporting the people in hospital and it will change from next week.

I was wondering about it for weeks, how they had about 250 people in hospital for weeks on end.

114113 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Silke David, 2, #1080 of 1402 🔗

It’s a Gong Show. Someone yank these idjits offstage!

114117 ▶▶ Marie R, replying to Silke David, 2, #1081 of 1402 🔗

See second item on round up, carl heneghan

114132 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Marie R, 7, #1082 of 1402 🔗

Another victory for the Carl and the CEBM. And to think if they weren’t checking this stuff these misleading figures would carry merrily along, influencing policy and affecting millions of lives. I wonder what’s next on their list?

114170 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Achilles, 2, #1083 of 1402 🔗

Hopefully testing and ‘cases’.

114288 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Marie R, 1, #1084 of 1402 🔗

Carl delivers another knock out punch to the bull crap

114169 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Silke David, 2, #1085 of 1402 🔗

Watched ‘the Crankie woman’ (as referred to on Guido) being interviewed on Sky this morning. When pushed by Kay Burley (although she let her off a bit too lightly in my opinion) she got very hot and bothered about care homes, alluding to ‘overcounting’. So, getting the excuses in early – where’s Devi Sridhar when you need her?

114297 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1086 of 1402 🔗

Was a total sham interview in my opinion. Burley adding the quick reference to ‘shameful carehomes’, like it was agreed. Sturgeon felt comfortable to row into those past carehome waters – having been asked about future carehome plans.

Sturgeon used the language of testing positivity which is a feature of devi language.

114489 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1087 of 1402 🔗

I’m not sure why, but the media really do go easy on Sturgeon & the SNP.

114294 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Silke David, #1088 of 1402 🔗

It appears these 250 (down from 265 in about two months) have many underlying issues that will be keeping them in long term regardless of covid or not.

Thanks for pointing out the coming change, I have been watching the never decreasing numbers too.

114106 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1089 of 1402 🔗

I’m beginning to think Hancock has been compromised…………

114111 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #1090 of 1402 🔗

He was, at birth.

114124 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #1091 of 1402 🔗

I suspect virtually every major public figure in politics and media (and much else besides) is under threat of blackmail.

J. Edgar Hoover more or less controlled US politicians for 50 years with the special files he kept on all of them.

114162 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Richard O, 7, #1092 of 1402 🔗

I was told that people who want to gain high office of any kind are “assessed” to see if they are either corruptible or vulnerable to blackmail. If they are not, then they never get anywhere near the levers of power.

I have no reason to disbelieve this.

114192 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to RichardJames, 9, #1093 of 1402 🔗

I knew a guy who was a year above me in school for ten years, then university, same college, just by coincidence. Thoroughly nice guy, as straight up, honest and ethical as they come. You would trust him with anything. He got a first in classics. Applied to the foreign office and failed on the psych test.

114217 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to guy153, 3, #1094 of 1402 🔗

I got rejected by the Diplomatic Corps. My brother nearly died laughing when he found out I wanted to be a diplomat.

114536 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to guy153, 1, #1095 of 1402 🔗

He probably failed for the same reason I didn’t get a job at Pizza Hut. When answering the question “is the customer always right”, I answered honestly and didn’t get the job.

114164 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Richard O, 1, #1096 of 1402 🔗

Correct.

114203 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Richard O, 1, #1097 of 1402 🔗

Sure of it, wonder what they’ve got, gets you thinking doesn’t it

114228 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Dan Clarke, #1098 of 1402 🔗

He didn’t need to be – unless absence of a brain is a ‘compromise’,

114419 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dan Clarke, #1099 of 1402 🔗

He’s under the spell (and likely pay) of Gates..

114109 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1100 of 1402 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-uk-news-schools-cases-bolton-trafford-lockdown/ (paywall)but includes “However, even perfectly healthy young people have died.” from Professor James Naismith, Director of the Rosalind Franklin Institute, and Professor of Structural Biology, University of Oxford, Is that true ?

114149 ▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to arfurmo, 11, #1101 of 1402 🔗

Perfectly young healthy people die of Influenza. It’s just as rare and just as pointless a thing to say.

114173 ▶▶ RickH, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1102 of 1402 🔗

Oh – it’s true.

… just like the statement that people die whilst having sex.

114179 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to arfurmo, #1103 of 1402 🔗

Probably. Perfectly healthy young people die of flu sometimes too.

114187 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1104 of 1402 🔗

And in far larger numbers. Even worse, flu kills babies. Covid hasn’t.

114289 ▶▶ Edward, replying to arfurmo, #1105 of 1402 🔗

Apparently healthy people do sometimes die suddenly. The medics call it something like “sudden death syndrome” which is a fancy way of saying they don’t know why. A full autopsy may reveal a previously unsuspected heart defect or something like that.

114418 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1106 of 1402 🔗

How young is young? I believe no one under 19 without co-morbidities has died of Covid in the UK..

114110 DRW, replying to DRW, 6, #1107 of 1402 🔗

I’ve been wondering today: What will Oz and NZ do if we never get a fully effective vaccine? Just stay hermit states forever? Or will they eventually concede to save their travel and tourism industries?

114171 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to DRW, 2, #1108 of 1402 🔗

I guess Venezuela provides a good indication of where Victoria is heading. It’ll probably take a change of government, in both countries, to change direction now. They’ll never admit they got it wrong.

114175 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to zacaway, 4, #1109 of 1402 🔗

UK, too.

114180 ▶▶ guy153, replying to DRW, 4, #1110 of 1402 🔗

Eventually the public are going to stop putting up with it. It’s going to be ugly.

114194 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to guy153, #1111 of 1402 🔗

Buy shares in lampposts and rope

114244 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Kev, #1112 of 1402 🔗

And popcorn!

114233 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to guy153, 1, #1113 of 1402 🔗

It took a war for the German’s to clock their scam.

114183 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to DRW, 1, #1114 of 1402 🔗

Turn into Sentinel Island or accept the cull.
That will be Not So Saint Anymore Jacinda’s options then.

114115 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1115 of 1402 🔗

Those CAMRA glasses, I thought they were snowflakes

114118 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1116 of 1402 🔗

Just in time for Christmas, if it’s allowed this year.

114134 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to arfurmo, 5, #1118 of 1402 🔗

I never thought I’d be defending the Daily Mail but I actually think they have not been too bad over the past week in terms of sceptical articles, giving a voice to Heneghan etc.

114417 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to arfurmo, #1119 of 1402 🔗

Stockholm no longer even has the highest number of hospitalised patients in Sweden – Gothenburg region currently has more than Stockholm.

114532 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to arfurmo, #1120 of 1402 🔗

Word on the street (Swedes on Twitter in this case) is that Swedes have been buying face masks as they are needed when they travel to other countries.

114125 Deirdre Trotman, 16, #1121 of 1402 🔗

i am sick of all this ridiculous nonsense – from Hancock spouting obvious nonsense to schools using Covid as an excuse to institute draconian measures or to stay home, the whole pantomime is pathetic.

114128 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 1, #1122 of 1402 🔗

Caught a BBC report ( I know, like pins in the eyes) about heroin and a guy who’s trying to create a space for it to be legally used.

He quoted a figure: 4 people die a day in Scotland due to heroin.

114148 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to mhcp, #1123 of 1402 🔗

Sadly, this may not be far from the truth

114150 ▶▶ Biker, replying to mhcp, 12, #1124 of 1402 🔗

Truly pathetic that. Scotland used to lead the world and nowadays we can only manage four dead junkies a day. We really have fallen under the stewardship of Sturgeon.

114198 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to mhcp, 3, #1125 of 1402 🔗

A safe space for addicts to be given their fix safely while encouraging them to accept help for their addiction and denying the dealers a sale – fcuk me someone talking sense

114201 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mhcp, 1, #1126 of 1402 🔗

I watched a select committee hearing with Crispin Blunt some other guy from the Home Office and some Scottish MP’s they were begging for places where heroine addicts could inject them selves safely.

Up to 537 people died in Scotland in 2018 from opiat overdoses. Many of these people could have been saved if they were in a place with people watching over them as they inject, ready with Naloxone an anti opiate drug.

The government just totally turned them down despite the fact tha in many other countries this kind of provision has helped cut drug overdoses dramatically.

The governments view was that in order to get them selves and their drugs into the safe room they would have to carry them there on foot and that could not be permitted under law to knowingly allow people to be in possession of controlled drugs in the street without arresting them.

Despite a really solid case put forward by the Scottish Mp’s and medical people they were totally over-ridden. It was just disgusting to watch. That decision will cost the lives of many many people.

https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//statistics/drug-related-deaths/2018/drug-related-deaths-18-pub.pdf

114214 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1127 of 1402 🔗

Legalise it or give addicts a safe place. The war on drugs is like the war on covid, pointless and a money making scam.

114131 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 33, #1128 of 1402 🔗

I haven’t posted for a while because I am done in physically and emotionally by all this. But today, my heart sank even further when we received a query, from – natch – ‘Anonymous’ who questioned why we had no “mask-wearing staff” in our shop.

Aside from the fact that I am a human being who wishes to breath unimpeded and that our staff made the choice to also not wear masks, I wonder if the sensible folks on here had any suggestions as to how we should respond. I am beyond angry that someone could ask this.

114138 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to kh1485, 17, #1129 of 1402 🔗

Ignore it/them.

There’s nothing worse than being ignored.

114158 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Winston Smith, 10, #1130 of 1402 🔗

Thanks WS, ordinarily I would, but I just wonder who this is and, as I said above, what their motives are. Just when I think this thing can’t get any worse, some creep sends a message like this.

114139 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to kh1485, 9, #1131 of 1402 🔗

How did “anonymous” ask? FB, Twitter, local paper? Anyway answer is that your staff and you wish to remain healthy and if not happy anonymous can go elsehwhere.

114152 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to arfurmo, 8, #1132 of 1402 🔗

It was via our website. But, instructive that they weren’t brave enough to mention this in person or identify themselves (but then these types never are). I mean, if they are so frightened and are so convinced that masks are key to safety, every other cafe in our town has masked/gloved/visored staff. We just chose to be normal. Re. your answer, I think that is what we will go with. Just now suspicious as to who it is and what their motives are …

114157 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to kh1485, 11, #1133 of 1402 🔗

Definitely best policy. They want you to respond, don’t give them the satisfaction.

Their motive is probably trying to shame you into compliance, some self important prick no doubt.

114408 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Kev, 1, #1134 of 1402 🔗

Maybe do not reply to the individual, but update your website and explain your policy as regards masks? Could also be an opportunity to educate customers…

114190 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to kh1485, 9, #1135 of 1402 🔗

Great opertunity to reply that the science shows staff fiddling with masks can spreads c19, other viruses and bacteria through touch – so you are thinking of your customers safety

114208 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Major Panic, 13, #1136 of 1402 🔗

The trouble is, whoever ‘anonymous’ is, you just *know* they won’t accept this. It really makes my stomach heave when I see customers place their bacteria-ridden, possibly COVID infected masks on my tables. It’s as bad as leaving a used handkerchief on the table as far as I am concerned. I saw someone the other day place their mask in a ziplock bag – mmm, lovely environment for breeding bacteria with all the necessary elements of heat, time and moisture!

114210 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 6, #1137 of 1402 🔗

It’s worse than putting a used tissue on the table. It’s a used face nappy. Vile.

114213 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to kh1485, 5, #1138 of 1402 🔗

Please ignore it. You are following guidelines and can sleep safe in the knowledge that you are. What goes around comes around 👊

114234 ▶▶▶▶ Malcolm Ramsay, replying to kh1485, 6, #1139 of 1402 🔗

You could answer that a lot of people doubt that masks have any benefits and are deeply distressed by the sight of so many people wearing them, and you are providing those people with somewhere they can feel comfortable.

114254 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, 2, #1140 of 1402 🔗

If you do answer them just paste a link to the current government guidance. That will piss them off more than any detailed response from you.

114490 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to kh1485, #1141 of 1402 🔗

If they’re that frightened, I’m generally curious, are they frightened of influenza, diphtheria, or TB? – all of which can (in some cases) manifest for some time with minimal, or indeed without any, symptoms… do they wear masks all the time, in case of the TB threat? legionnaire’s is still out there too, after what IDK nearly 50 years…that’s a nasty one…

114140 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to kh1485, 12, #1142 of 1402 🔗

You are not required to:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own

employees of indoor settings (or people acting on their behalf, such as someone leading part of a prayer service) or transport workers – although employers may consider their use where appropriate and where other mitigations are not in place, in line with COVID-19 Secure guidelines

114163 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1143 of 1402 🔗

Thanks for this.

114411 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sarigan, #1144 of 1402 🔗

Yes, you could maybe even add this to your website?

114165 ▶▶ dpj, replying to kh1485, 6, #1145 of 1402 🔗

You appear to be complying with government guidance as you are so no need to change anything. Just send a polite reply stating this with link to government website and leave it at that.

114252 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, 3, #1146 of 1402 🔗

Reply that you only respond to real people. An anonymous questioner has just as much credibility as an anonymous source, which is zero!

114267 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JohnB, 5, #1147 of 1402 🔗

Thanks skipper (and to everyone else – I say it all the time but this really is a haven of sanity for me).

Might use your response in future. We have responded by saying we want to present a human face (!) to customers, that the staff were asked if they wanted to wear masks and they declined and that our increased trade would bear out that our stance has been endorsed by our customers. Hopefully, that will be an end to it.

Thanks once again everyone for your comments, don’t feel quite so alone ….

114268 ▶▶ cognomen, replying to kh1485, 5, #1148 of 1402 🔗

Respond by posting the reasons on your website, rather than by replying to one person.

It has the advantages of:
1) You can have a subtle go at the other cafes who think it is alright to spread infection by having the staff frequently touch their bacteria ridden masks then touch the fork you are about to put in your mouth.
2) You will never change the opinions of the believers, you have to try to sway the unsure.
3) A s others have suggested, t he self important wanker who contacted you, doesn’t get their moment of glory by you responding to them personally.

114291 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to cognomen, #1149 of 1402 🔗

That’s a great idea, thanks very much for that.

114494 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to kh1485, #1150 of 1402 🔗

One I do try to harp on to people about – is that invariably those who obsess over social distancing, masks, want screens down the middle of corridors at work or whatever, yet apparently have no problems touching a card machine (or even a handle, or counter) in a shop that may not have been sanitized for – how long?

114448 ▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 1, #1151 of 1402 🔗

If they can’t use a real name and leave contact details they are not worth bothering with,they are a coward.
It could possibly be some degenerate specimen from local news media trying to create a story out of absolutely nothing,our local paper seems to get it’s ‘news’ from hysterical social media posts.
Once we had some extremely slanderous and completely untrue posts about our business put on the town’s facebook page and I managed to get them removed,we think they were put there by a competitor hiding behind a stupid alias.

114531 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to kh1485, #1152 of 1402 🔗

Whatever you respond with they will almost certainly make it sound like you don’t care about customer safety. The only “acceptable” response is that you will all start wearing masks immediately and jump as high as they want you to.

As others have suggested, I would be inclined to simply ignore it if I were you.

114145 Jenny, replying to Jenny, 26, #1153 of 1402 🔗

Feeling pleased with son’s school (boys private prep age 7-13). We had the return to school guff last week but just got an extra email from the headmaster acknowledging that there has been publicity over masks over the past few days and saying they have considered it but they are not going with it. Wrote to thank him.

114147 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jenny, 8, #1154 of 1402 🔗

Fantastic. Let’s hope he’s the first of many!

114146 Cheezilla, 13, #1155 of 1402 🔗

With regard to the ghastly gulag school assembly picture.

Did you spot the kid centre front with the mask worn under his nose and barely covering his mouth?

There lies the hope of the future!

114172 RickH, replying to RickH, 16, #1156 of 1402 🔗

Humour is not dead in this dire state of Covid idiocy.

News headlines : People will have to travel no more than 75 miles to get a Covid test.

FFS! Anyone with a brain wouldn’t travel even 75 yards for such a pointless exercise.

114204 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to RickH, 6, #1157 of 1402 🔗

Unfortunately for an increasing number of people they are obliged to get a test as a condition of their employment or in order to get medical treatment. People trying to negotiate the complex maze needed to visit a relative or friend in a care home may need to get a test.

I do think that testing is one area where we need to do all we can to raise questions, queries and challenges. The politicians, general public and the media seem to talk about testing as if the tests were as clear cut and definitive as the speed camera that says you were going too fast. Nobody seems to conceive even the remotest thought that the test itself, both the science and the statistics to interpret the results need to be challenged and reviewed – which of course, as regulars of this site will know, is an all too pressing need.

It is yet another example of the generally extremely poor journalism displayed throughout this Covid hoo-haa. It is shocking that the media does not even think to ask, what is this test? is it up to the task? should it be used to drive such huge public health policy decisions?

114226 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1158 of 1402 🔗

Very fair points re. the coercion factor.

… which is why the government can be accurately described as ‘Evil’.

As to ‘journalism’ – that profession disappeared in any meaningful sense a while back. Nick Davies coined the term ‘churnalism’ to describe its successor.

114335 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to RickH, 4, #1159 of 1402 🔗

Apologies if this raised below, but also strongest possible resistance should be mounted to the pilot to test weekly(!) in Salford, spending £500M! J Hunt on about ideally testing the whole population every week, genuinely never dreamed this level of madness was on the cards.

114472 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Bruno, #1160 of 1402 🔗

I think this virus must have the best PR agent in the business, it has managed to make fools out of us at every turn. We now have very little Covid19 disease/death and yet we are all getting hysterical about testing and wearing a facemask (our new religious talisman).

Just seeing a report on the news about religious groups in Korea who refuse to get tested, not my reason for refusal but good to see testing refusal in the news. Also good to see that despite the frustration of the authorities they are currently holding to the International agreements and are accepting that medical interventions can only happen with the consent of the person concerned. Good for them I say.

114285 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1161 of 1402 🔗

I’ve drafted a letter to my MLA and MP on that basis specifically. It makes it simple for them to focus on a very specific aspect of the whole mess – test sensitivity – and if you can get them on board it’ll lead to other light bulb moments.

If they still do not acknowledge the clear evidence and concerns, they are empty suits, nothing more, and should be disregarded as a means to ending this.

114482 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1162 of 1402 🔗

Maybe remind them that the last time they did things for good intentions it cost the UK over a billion – RHI scandal

114403 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Steve Martindale, #1163 of 1402 🔗

Is it actually legal to suddenly change the terms of employees’ contracts? Do they not have to at least give reasonable notice too?

114481 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Carrie, #1164 of 1402 🔗

I believe it’s legal for them to change stuff in an employment contract “within reason,” and not necessarily in writing.

114247 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 4, #1165 of 1402 🔗

What a phony virus this is. Who has ever had flu or a bad cold and felt well enough to drive a few miles let alone 75 miles!

114202 Mibi, replying to Mibi, 26, #1166 of 1402 🔗

I’m fed up now. This is what I’m writing to the headmaster.
Any suggestions/corrections welcome!

Dear (…)
I am sorry to say, that you do not have our support in this case. I am aware that the school is following governmental rules, but we cannot support a draconian system which is harmful to children.
We resist the “new normal” and will not send our child to school until all anti-social distancing and mask mandatory rules are scraped. We will not pay any punishment for not sending our child to school, because we do not want to prevent him from education, but want to protect him from social engineering and child abuse.

There is no evidence that face masks are helpful; in fact, many doctors say the opposite: Wearing a face mask reduces the supply of oxygen, can cause different skin problems, reduces a healthy immune system and can lead to damage to the brain.

Not to mention the psychological effects from not seeing each other’s facial expressions and having to constantly dwell in fear of infection – even though, there is no reason for that. Children are more likely to die in a car crash or get struck from lightening than to die from coronavirus! Teachers are also not in danger, unless they belong to the elderly and vulnerable.

This pandemic is not about a virus. It’s all about control and is heading towards a mandatory vaccination. The death rate of this virus is below that of the seasonal flu. Bestselling German author professor Dr Med. Bhakdi says that there is no evidence that anyone died of Covid-19 who wasn’t’ suffering from underlying issues (in some cases only discovered later).

When we signed up (name) to (name) we signed him up to a school where pupils’ freedom and rights are respected. We didn’t sign him up to a school that disrespects freedom and doesn’t put pupils’ mental health and dignity in first place.

Kind regards,

114206 ▶▶ Marie R, replying to Mibi, 7, #1167 of 1402 🔗

Personally, I’d leave out the “no evidence anyone ever died of covid “. It might make him think you are a crank (even if it’s true)

114216 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mibi, 8, #1168 of 1402 🔗

WOW, good job, I wish you well. What a horrible thing to have to do. I would leave out the damage to the brain bit too, your right I am sure it will cause brain damage in more ways than one but it sounds a bit “out there” the rest is fine.

Evidence doesn’t matter to these people they won’t read it and they won’t understand it either if they did so don’t worry about not putting in any hard facts.

114223 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1169 of 1402 🔗

If I had a child at school, no way would they be going into this new normal PPE hell. No way.

114231 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Two-Six, 6, #1170 of 1402 🔗

I agree. One of the more depressing sights for me recently was seeing a little girl, probably about six, wearing a face mask with a cartoon character on it. Meanwhile the adult with her (presumably her mother) was mask-less.

114227 ▶▶ Polemon2, replying to Mibi, 5, #1171 of 1402 🔗

Suggest government guidance rather than rules. You can then point out that this means they can be interpreted in a reasonable manner taking into account a proper risk assessment which includes an educated, reasonable, approach to the probability of any risks identified.

114237 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Polemon2, 1, #1172 of 1402 🔗

I was thinking that – wasn’t there an announcement recently to the effect that muzzles don’t have to be worn in schools?

114307 ▶▶▶▶ Marie R, replying to bluemoon, #1173 of 1402 🔗

Only in areas of local lockdown

114232 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mibi, 5, #1174 of 1402 🔗

Scrapped not scraped; lightning not lightening.

Miss out the part about “heading towards a mandatory vaccination” for the same reason as Marie R suggests.

Otherwise excellent.

114236 ▶▶ David, replying to Mibi, 1, #1175 of 1402 🔗

What is the actual legality regarding these forced enmaskings? Seems shady at best to me.

114240 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to David, 1, #1176 of 1402 🔗

Entirely at the discretion of the Head outside lockdown areas. Suspect it would fall under uniform rules.

114241 ▶▶▶▶ David, replying to Charlie Blue, #1177 of 1402 🔗

So do I. It’s a bit “out there” for uniform though, so would probably fail a reasonableness test?

114466 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to David, 2, #1178 of 1402 🔗

I’m no lawyer but yes, agree with failing a reasonableness test – if the school’s assessment does not mention any potential psychological effects, surely that is negligence.
Furthermore, no reasonable person [ie. without an agenda] will tell you that a mask does not potentially interfere with a person’s breathing – the vid someone posted a while ago where a Firefighter demonstrates with his oxygen machine, is excellent. I highly doubt that they can legally mandate something that physically impacts on a child’s ability to breathe!

114283 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mibi, 3, #1179 of 1402 🔗

Have you exhausted comms already? If it was the mask thing that has tipped the scale, have you asked them for their health and safety assessment in terms of wearing them which can disprove your concerns? Have you cited the actual law on the matter, as they are breaking it most definitely of outside a lockdown area?

While I understand the resolve now to home school, there may be one or two battles to be won before giving up on the war

114401 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1180 of 1402 🔗

Yes, definitely ask for a copy of their risk assessment..

114488 ▶▶▶ Mibi, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1181 of 1402 🔗

Thanks – yes it’s outside lockdown areas. So, an interesting point that they made the mask mandatory everywhere outside of classroom. I will add the fact. Thanks.

114497 ▶▶▶▶ David, replying to Mibi, #1182 of 1402 🔗

Loads of schools outside lockdown areas have gone over the PM’s head and made masks mandatory. I’m surprised it has raised as little fuss as it has TBH.

114395 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mibi, 1, #1183 of 1402 🔗

‘Scrapped’ not ‘scraped’..
Is the school following governmental rules? Boris has said masks aren’t necessary.. Has the school misinterpreted what is actual law and what is just recommendations?

114468 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Carrie, 1, #1184 of 1402 🔗

School Heads banging on for months about how nothing is their decision & they need more clarity… suddenly have found their voice and decided they are going to implement their own rules anyway..

114480 ▶▶▶ Mibi, replying to Carrie, #1185 of 1402 🔗

See comment above. Seems like this school wants to be ahead of things …

114477 ▶▶ Mibi, replying to Mibi, #1186 of 1402 🔗

Yep, they made the mask mandatory everywhere except classrooms. They will also be doing PE in their uniforms.

Thank you for your responses!

114205 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1187 of 1402 🔗

Most people are ignoring the masked thing.

114225 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #1188 of 1402 🔗

I wish they were here. Mask-wearing seems to be on the up.

I went to Aldi the other evening and I was the only one there un-masked (other than the checkout staff who are now encased in a perspex box!). Was a bit concerned when I heard a mumble from the woman behind me in the queue and I thought “here we go, this is the moment I get asked why I am not wearing a mask” but she was actually alerting to me to the fact that I had dropped my two tenners on the floor!

114279 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to kh1485, 1, #1189 of 1402 🔗

Lidl for me this morning, a few non-masked including me and some under-the-nose wearers, but compliance still high. Completely different in the streets, only about 10% masked when outside. The routine is to shove it on/off the face when entering/leaving a shop.

114209 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #1190 of 1402 🔗

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114211 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #1191 of 1402 🔗

creativity, inventiveness?

114266 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #1192 of 1402 🔗

Are they “soaring”?

114224 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #1193 of 1402 🔗

Appalled by the what happened to the woman in Victoria. I hope every politician etc, involved in this hangs their heads in shame, they are a disgrace to humanity

114304 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1194 of 1402 🔗

I read somewhere ‘government is a lightning rod for defective personalities’. Perfect

114229 Dan Clarke, #1195 of 1402 🔗

What version did you watch, the You Tube one had hardly any masked protesters

114230 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 5, #1196 of 1402 🔗

They are not protesting anything. XR are effectively a government department, and this is their team building day trip/party.

Besides, they are getting everything they want. Massive reductions in carbon emissions due to lockdown and the prospect of widespread death and suffering in the human population. No wonder they are celebrating.

114257 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Richard O, 1, #1197 of 1402 🔗

They’ll call it a “team away day” based on my public sector experience.

114451 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Richard O, #1198 of 1402 🔗

“..reductions in carbon emissions due to lockdown.” well yes and no, I’m acquainted with someone who is, not sure a fully paid up member, but certainly a strong supporter of XR, – they are virtue signalling about how every week a record number of migrants are coming, and apparently even more so across Europe. But then again, as they’re exempt from social distancing requirements, I’m assuming migrants don’t emit carbon either..

114235 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #1199 of 1402 🔗

Sandy McFadzean – Late entry for sceptic of the week? Shame about his wife though.

Minister Chloe Smith has distanced herself from her husband’s comments on Covid-19, which he described as “most likely an outbreak of mental illness”.
Sandy McFadzean also called for an end to social distancing, track and trace and the use of face coverings.

Mr McFadzean, who is a vice-president of investment bank Credit Suisse, attended last weekend’s march in London against coronavirus restrictions.
He tweeted: “Covid-19 is most likely an outbreak of mental illness.”
A further post read: “Government need to be clear. Either there is a killer virus on the loose or there isn’t. (Spoiler alert: There isn’t).”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54017134?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/coronavirus&link_location=live-reporting-story

114239 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #1200 of 1402 🔗

Soon to be changed to: “Mr McFadzean, was a vice-president of investment bank Credit Suisse”

114306 ▶▶▶ Youth_Unheard, replying to JohnB, #1201 of 1402 🔗

Amazingly it’s not a matter of if but when, I’d give it less than a month.

114326 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Youth_Unheard, 2, #1202 of 1402 🔗

Hummm I dunno, the Swiss are pretty Cheesy.

114332 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1203 of 1402 🔗

Chocolatey too.

114242 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 12, #1204 of 1402 🔗

Extinction of common sense.

I’m a veteran of the tree-hugging road protestor movement from back in the 90s, but there’s nothing spontaneous or radical about these so-called protestors. It’s just theatre. Unwitting pawns, the lot of them.

The planet can (and will) look after itself.

The only species going extinct at this rate is humanity, through utter lunacy.

114277 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #1205 of 1402 🔗

Planet Earth has been around for more than 4 and one half billion years and has seen a lot worse than what the Extinction Rebellion crazies are ranting about at the beginning of the 21st Century. By a long shot. Too bad they weren’t around for the last extinction event, with the dinosaurs.

114328 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #1206 of 1402 🔗

Yes, Unwitting state-sponsored change agents

114347 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1207 of 1402 🔗

Yep the leeway they were given last year made it obvious they were sanctioned protests.BLM come under that banner too

114243 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1208 of 1402 🔗

Hancock said today that it will be all over by christmas, 9 news in Australia is reporting to Australians the same thing. Worldwide plandemic or what.

114245 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1209 of 1402 🔗

They said that about World War 1.

114249 ▶▶ tonys, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1210 of 1402 🔗

Well we all know it’s all over now, but at the moment I would settle for Christmas

114329 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to tonys, 1, #1211 of 1402 🔗

It is indeed ‘over’ now. In fact it was over a couple of months back. That’s why I won’t settle for Christmas.

114253 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1212 of 1402 🔗

Indeed, Christmas 2025.

114263 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1213 of 1402 🔗

Wow, that’s uncharacteristically optimistic for him, what’s happened?

114388 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1214 of 1402 🔗

Is that because the US election is in November?
If all over by Christmas, why the announcement that everyone must submit to regular testing?

114434 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1215 of 1402 🔗

That’s because he knows a vaccine will be announced in the next couple of months.

114246 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #1216 of 1402 🔗
114260 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #1217 of 1402 🔗

They’ve been removing his videos due to criticising vaccines and the standard of healthcare generally in the UK.

114278 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #1218 of 1402 🔗

Thanks for the link. He is a great man. He sounds like he and Mrs Coleman may have use for helpful assistance to set up an uncensorable system of video publishing. If anyone has expertise.

Just like james bond… he will return!
Thank you Vernon.

114251 Arkleston, 5, #1219 of 1402 🔗

IFFIm, the International Finance Facility for Immunisation, was founded in 2006 and provides funding for Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance.

I wondered why they used the first 2 letters of Immunisation (Im) at the end of the acronym, instead of using just the first letter, like for the preceding 3 words.

But then I spotted the obvious, which must have occurred to them too, when they set it up. Take away the ‘m’ and pronounce it as a word and to an English speaker you’ve got something that suggests (or maybe even perfectly describes) the nature of the whole shebang. Can’t have that.

114255 StevieH, replying to StevieH, 7, #1220 of 1402 🔗

Mrs and I rocked up at Costco Cardiff this afternoon. We were last there 6 weeks ago. Flabbergasted to now see a sign mandating face muzzles, as they are not required for shopping in Wales! Thinking on my feet, I just said “we’re both exempt” as I presented my card. “Fine” came the reply, and in we went. We were the only ones there unmasked. All the staff were masked. Didn’t feel out of place at all. Very odd.

114330 ▶▶ Basics, replying to StevieH, 1, #1221 of 1402 🔗

Thanks for this. Costco have been hitting me with spam mail since just after the lockdown. I have wondered what it’s like on the ground. Premandatory masks they were dead. I haven’t been since.

114256 Tommo, replying to Tommo, 5, #1222 of 1402 🔗

Good, and somewhat surprising news, up to 2500 fans will be allowed to watch Cambridge United’s first home match of the season. Stadium is close to me. I’ll try and get tickets and report back. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11750/12062584/efl-to-trial-return-of-supporters-in-two-test-events-at-cambridge-united

114269 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Tommo, 1, #1223 of 1402 🔗

That’s a good number. My post yesterday about football quoted 30% of maximum capacity, so I guess theirs might be 8000.

114271 ▶▶▶ Tommo, replying to Edward, 3, #1224 of 1402 🔗

It’s not a big stadium, 8,000 max. But very rarely do not get a crowd of this size. Before lockdown madness, most home matches felt like you were socially distancing anyway as crowds so small!

114258 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #1225 of 1402 🔗

Common Colds are developing in Scottish Schools. As expected after isolation. Not as expected given the extraordinary nation crippling measures Jason Leitch CMO and Devi Sridhar have overseen.

One superb lady has asked Jason and Devi to give comment about just what’s going on, surely masks and gels and isolations ought to be stopping colds. You may like to keep an eye on their conversation to see Jason and Devi answers.

https://twitter.com/betleanne/status/1301256810507243525?s=20

114259 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Basics, 10, #1226 of 1402 🔗

The months of isolation have of course made kids more likely to catch coughs and colds, not less.

114281 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to A. Contrarian, 5, #1227 of 1402 🔗

That’s of course correct. We are social and out immune systems are too. This enforced separation is clearly going to cause an increase in colds. This is proof the mask regime is in effective.

114318 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 3, #1228 of 1402 🔗

I would find it fairly amusing if a literal WAVE of “The Sniffles” swept across the country in schools and workplaces. Clear proof that the INSANE PPE/COVID SAFTEY has no effect on anything apart from totally messing up people’s immune systems.

114352 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1229 of 1402 🔗

Precisely. This whole shambles has stored up massive side-effects thanks to the ever-present brain dead.

114261 Edward, replying to Edward, 29, #1230 of 1402 🔗

Email from my local non-chain cinema, reopening on 7 September. Face coverings required everywhere except when eating and drinking.
My feedback:
Unfortunately I will NOT be visiting your cinema as long as face coverings are required. These items are potentially damaging to the wearer’s health, do little or nothing to protect others, and create a dystopian atmosphere. I have no wish to undergo that unpleasant experience.

114270 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Edward, 15, #1231 of 1402 🔗

… unless the film is something like 1984, in which case it will be a fully immersive experience.

114275 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #1232 of 1402 🔗

Or these:

THX 1138
Equilibrium
Equals

114296 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Richard O, 1, #1233 of 1402 🔗

Triumph of the Will
The Great Dictator

114422 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Edward, 2, #1234 of 1402 🔗

Within 40 minutes their Visitor Services Manager sent me a reply, probably one they’d prepared earlier. Largely what one would expect, following mandatory government guidelines, safety of visitors is our priority, blah blah blah.

114443 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Edward, 1, #1235 of 1402 🔗

So in the event someone gets seriously ill (or, sadly, like the Priest in Cameroon who dropped dead, apparently from breathing problems) I take it said Manager is perfectly happy to accept liability?

114475 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Edward, #1236 of 1402 🔗

If masks are required except for when eating and drinking in the cinema then I reckon that makes them nil and void anyway. I stopped going to the cinema years ago because of the constant rustling, slurping and loud chewing as people attempted to consume their own body weight in sugar, saturated fat and E numbers in the space of 90 minutes.

114262 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1237 of 1402 🔗
114272 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to arfurmo, 4, #1238 of 1402 🔗

I’d really like to see this tosser attempt to work in a commercial kitchen wearing a face mask. He wouldn’t last two seconds.

114317 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 5, #1239 of 1402 🔗

In a former life I washed up dishes. It’s never left me. Every time I eat out now I think about the people out the back.

Prats like that mayor would have benefitted from such an experience – I’m guessing he hasn’t, because if he had worked in kitchens he’d know better.

114280 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1240 of 1402 🔗

Publicly shamed, I hope he does so someone can cave his head in.

114310 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to arfurmo, 6, #1241 of 1402 🔗

This absolute arsehole of a mayor is the twat who kept all parks in Middlesbrough closed as long as he possibly could. He lives in a palatial country house with acres of gardens near Thirsk or somewhere – far enough away from the “chavs” he governs.

114373 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to arfurmo, #1242 of 1402 🔗

Just as shocking as the pregnant mother arrested in Australia!

114467 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, #1243 of 1402 🔗

It shows that the fear of local mockdowns has got the councils doing Wancock’s dirty work for him.
Pity the article didn’t mention mask exemption!

114265 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 17, #1244 of 1402 🔗

Some good news/Common sense.
At our local secondary school the pupils have not got to wear face nappies ( unless they want to) anywhere in the whole school.

114274 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1245 of 1402 🔗

Fantastic to hear!

114284 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1246 of 1402 🔗

This is inline with the Sec of State answer to Huw Merriman MP A day or so ago in the commons. Only where there is a local lockdown are school pupils required to wear masks.

Huw Merriman twitter holds the video clip and text explanation.

114273 Biggles, replying to Biggles, 13, #1247 of 1402 🔗

Well today I bought a load of fruit and veg from a stall in the indoor market. This dates back to Victorian times, the roof is about 30ft high, so not much different to an outdoor stall. Despite this the council have put up large notices on the doors to say that you have to wear a mask on entry.

I went in without a mask and was pleased to see that the people running the stall were also mask-less. Having got everything I needed I asked if I could pay with cash. It just so happened that the chap who runs the business was next to me re-filling some of the stock (they are family-owned and have been around for nearly 150 years). He said ‘Oh yes, we like cash round here’. Maybe there is hope after all!

114287 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Biggles, 10, #1248 of 1402 🔗

We’re also taking cash – not many shops in our town are, which begs the question, what happens when the WIFI goes on the blink which it does quite regularly. Cash take is definitely on the increase which, as you say, is a hopeful sign.

114311 ▶▶▶ Biggles, replying to kh1485, 9, #1249 of 1402 🔗

I’ve not been into a supermarket since just before the lockdown. It’s fruit and veg from the market stall, the milk gets delivered and there are three mini-marts within half a mile of me for nearly everything else. The shop at the local petrol station even does a very nice Australian red!

I would much rather give my custom to these places as the shopping experience is pretty much as before and I can be in and out in 5 minutes. I also get to pay with cash.

114319 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Biggles, 5, #1250 of 1402 🔗

So agree. I hate shopping at the best of times but this has made it a much more miserable experience (Tesco and Aldi the best here, Waitrose have been awful). I’ve recently discovered milkandmore.co.uk and they are great.

114471 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Biggles, 1, #1251 of 1402 🔗

Use cash where possible, especially if buying something from a small business. So many of them are having to pay a fortune in card fees at the moment.

114503 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Biggles, 1, #1252 of 1402 🔗

Thursday is market day – the fishmongers stall has two signs up – ‘No masks’ and ‘Cash only’.

114276 TyLean, replying to TyLean, 10, #1253 of 1402 🔗

The WHO say Covid19 isn’t about a virus, it’s about changing our society.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1301489339260710912

They have actually been saying that in plain English since mid-March, but yet everyone persists in thinking this is temporary.

114282 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to TyLean, 9, #1254 of 1402 🔗

Tucker Carlson has been one of the very few MSM figureheads in the USA to hold some kind of line throughout this. Full credit to him for broadcasting this quote from that odious, corrupt cretin at the WHO:

We will not, we cannot go back to the way things were.

114416 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Richard O, 3, #1255 of 1402 🔗

Said a few days after Wuhan held a massive pool party.

114333 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to TyLean, 5, #1256 of 1402 🔗

I said this weeks ago.Covid/Climate change are just an excuse to control us.

114415 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to TyLean, 4, #1257 of 1402 🔗

Funny how all the things aren’t about the virus. Vistaprint keep telling us that masks are about freedom and solidarity, but definetely not about the virus!

114286 Stephen McMurray, replying to Stephen McMurray, 13, #1258 of 1402 🔗

I have tried common sense, and statistics to try to get people to listen so I am now having a go at humour. I had this article published on the Off-Guardian website today.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/03/hancocks-half-hour/ ,

Hopefully, it may give a few of you a laugh for a couple of minutes to relive you from the frustration and anger we are all feeling at this ongoing madness.

114293 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Stephen McMurray, 2, #1259 of 1402 🔗

Thanks SM, gave me a laugh … “Glum Boy Three” – priceless!

114305 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Stephen McMurray, 3, #1260 of 1402 🔗

Check Out to Help Out. Very good!

114341 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Stephen McMurray, 2, #1261 of 1402 🔗

Excellent humour Stephen, even my wife laughed out loud and she’s pretty depressed by the whole carry on at present—so many thanks for that.

I’m old enough to remember Tony Hancock in ‘Hancock’s half hour’ and how most of the viewing population would be watching it on TV. My dad would have tears streaming down his face at the goings on at Railway Cuttings. In fact, I have all the series on DVD and watch them every so often. Your article has reminded me that I must get them out again. Sid James of course was the ideal foil for Hancock and was the original cheeky–but lovable–chappy. I was trying to think who could be the foil for your ‘Hapless Hancock’ character but in a sea of dreadful, hard hearted, lying, two faced nasty politicians no one springs to mind…..none of them have the humanity to make you even smile never mind laugh.

114356 ▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Stephen McMurray, 2, #1262 of 1402 🔗

Read it earlier. Didn’t realise it was written as fiction 🙂

Actually it made me chuckle – thanks! You may be interested to know (he began, a sure-fire formula to make the listener’s eyes glaze over) that a chum of mine, a chemist (i.e. a real chemist, not a pharmacist) living in Brighton, got so sick of the herring gulls on the front stealing his ice-creams and whatnot that he put some pellets of calcium carbide in chunks of bread, hoping to produce the Wöhler Reaction (acetylene gas and calcium hydroxide) when said pellets arrived in the gulls’ stomachs. The gulls scarfed all the bread down with their usual aplomb and — nothing happened. Nothing at all. A herring gull can apparently digest anything and, I would suggest, is unlikely to succumb to something as minor as a corona virus. Bubonic plague, perhaps, might cause it to take the afternoon off, but nothing more.

114460 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Stephen McMurray, #1263 of 1402 🔗

You wrote that? It’s brilliant.
We needed a laugh today. Thank you!

114465 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Stephen McMurray, #1264 of 1402 🔗

Well done. I needed a laugh 😂

114498 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Stephen McMurray, #1265 of 1402 🔗

Thank you for that – it got my day off to a good start!

114295 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 2, #1266 of 1402 🔗

Humza Yousaf has proclaimed that Scots returning from Portugal must quarantine for 14 days . This follows on from Wales. How long before Bojo does as bidden?

114299 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1267 of 1402 🔗

Tomorrow

114302 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steeve, 5, #1268 of 1402 🔗

They love making new laws and restrictions at the end of the week. I usually receive unwanted bills or threatening letters from my social housing administration on Fridays.

114327 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to richard riewer, 4, #1269 of 1402 🔗

A new law was passed on 28th August that enabled a junior officer to issue Piers Corbyn with his £10k fine. Yes they like passing laws.

114323 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Steeve, #1270 of 1402 🔗

11pm via twitter.

114331 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Steeve, #1271 of 1402 🔗

Need to be more precise 5PM tomorrow!

114344 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Steeve, #1272 of 1402 🔗

Reported first on LOCKDOWN SCEPTICS

114379 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Steeve, 3, #1273 of 1402 🔗

Just for once; could the useless bag of lard wobble on his own two feet, show a hint of backbone and not trot behind the wee krankee and leave Portugal quarantine free! At least till next Thursday

114315 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1274 of 1402 🔗

Inevitable. Policy is led entirely by the media now.

114324 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to arfurmo, 3, #1275 of 1402 🔗

Grant Shapps said Greece and Portugal air corridors remain open so that will be tomorrow then

114300 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 17, #1276 of 1402 🔗

So, last weeks XR and BLM marches were described like this by their organizers:
Extinction Rebellion (XR) have revealed plans for a ‘civilly disobedient long weekend’ and urged its supporters to join a BLM march from Notting Hill to Hyde Park.
The demonstration, dubbed the ‘Million People March’, will call for the defunding of police forces.
Were there a million? Don’t think so.
Did they get fined?

It appears that outside influences have taken control of the British Parliament. The people sitting in Parliament no longer represent Queen & Country, nor do their actions of the past six months. They are traitors to the Union Jack and freedom loving people and for that reason they must be put on trial for treason.

114346 ▶▶ RickH, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1277 of 1402 🔗

They probably represent the Queen and he establishment and the subservience that flows.

But definitely not ‘the country’.

114407 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to richard riewer, 4, #1278 of 1402 🔗

There was 400 at the Million People March, and from what I’ve seen of the footage around 250-300 were white.

114437 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to richard riewer, 3, #1279 of 1402 🔗

Previously they requested an organised police presence… for an anti-police march!
https://www.theblaze.com/furnace/police-officer-protesters-request-police-presence-for-defund-the-police-rally-citing-safety

114534 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1280 of 1402 🔗

Wow that is pretty laughable!

114309 Liam, 18, #1281 of 1402 🔗

Been down the pub. Lucky in that the place is completely ignoring the nonsense as soon as you walk in the door. I’ve been relentless in hitting people with sceptic logic. Had a really good conversation with a bloke whose Dad died with the virus back in April. Obviously I’m very respectful of his sad loss (Dad was 84 with heart and kidney failure).

He’s a sceptic. “We just have to get back on with our lives again or this will never bloody end.”

114312 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 12, #1282 of 1402 🔗

This evening
New Normal looks well like the OLD NORMAL
Football training and a match on local field looked well – NORMAL
Ice cream shops and chips shops Looked NORMAL
People walking talking sitting Looked NORMAL
Local Garage NORMAL
Café etc looked NORMAL
Did not venture into mask hotspots why spoil it!

114357 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steeve, 6, #1283 of 1402 🔗

Lots of people want normal, and have mentally moved on from the deadly virus nonsense. We need them to push back against the stupid rules and laws and lies now.

114473 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Steeve, #1284 of 1402 🔗

Exactly.Just enjoy the normal stuff

114316 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 4, #1285 of 1402 🔗

This from Sky News Australia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut2bA48ASrw

114355 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1286 of 1402 🔗

Wow, wish we had that kind of broadcasting here – very powerful stuff.

114361 ▶▶ jim j, replying to richard riewer, 2, #1287 of 1402 🔗

I just cannot believe what Australia is tolerating. It’s insane! I’d really like to think if they tried that shit here there would be some kind of rebellion. What happened to Aussies???

114367 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to jim j, 4, #1288 of 1402 🔗

I’d like to think so too, but I fear most of the population is in the grip of boiling frog syndrome.

114398 ▶▶ Ian, replying to richard riewer, #1289 of 1402 🔗

Wow! Wtf are our presenters showing so much anger about all that our pathetic parliamentarians are up to. Is this why they took Neil off air?

114322 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #1290 of 1402 🔗

BBC is being reformed Boris has said. Decriminalised by November. Next is to alter the funding structure. This is in answer to a commons question regarding the unfairness of licence fee required for other channel viewing – which will be addressed says Boris. BBC bias is also going to get a look at apparently. Subscription model?

Mayhar Tousi youtube channel shows the commons exchange.

114340 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basics, 2, #1291 of 1402 🔗

You have to be a bit dim to think that anything proposed by this bunch of spivs will be for the public benefit.

I can’t see Johnson correcting the establishment/right bias of the BBC when it has served him so well.

114354 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 1, #1292 of 1402 🔗

Off topic, but if the BBC is so right-wing, why is the PM doing anything against it? Let’s say it’s to please his core supporters – Tories. So why would lots of Tories want to attack the BBC if it’s so right-wing?

Anyway, rant over. I loathe the BBC but I don’t give a fuck what the PM does or says about them or about anything else except getting back to normal. I don’t care if he turns water into wine, as long as he presides over this madness he should be given no credit whatsoever for anything he does. No-one should be distracted by this.

114382 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Julian, 3, #1293 of 1402 🔗

The state propaganda apperatus has been and remains a core component of the lockdown machinery.

114453 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 1, #1294 of 1402 🔗

It’s a Cummings project. They threatened the beeb during the election campaign when it sailed a bit close to the wind. As a result, it backed off interviewing key Tory figures. It’s yet another powermongering exercise.

114527 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Julian, #1295 of 1402 🔗

The BBC absolutely crucified Corbyn, are you kidding? There was nightly abuse for nearly four years. I know of no other politician who would have stood up to that and been unphased, particularity at his age, whatever you think of his politics. (I was ambivalent but I admired his guts.) That makes the BBC right wing in my view.

114363 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 6, #1296 of 1402 🔗

Are you sure you’re watching the BBC? Right wing bias? Bizarre!

114455 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, 2, #1297 of 1402 🔗

Main function is to promote the false statistics and plandemic propaganda.

114374 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to RickH, 1, #1298 of 1402 🔗

Decriminalising the license fee in Nov is the thing to note.

Restructuring the funding system, makes the bias actually irrelevant.

Though apparently the bias will be looked at – every side says the BBC biased. Being objective about a bias of something so complex is not something anyone can reasonably expect to be a success, in my opinion.

Decriminalise – people then are free to show what they think of the bias.

114385 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 1, #1299 of 1402 🔗

Even if they decriminalise it you can bet the BBC will be issuing a load of Civil cases in the same way private parking companies do. So even if they can’t get you criminal record they will either recoup their licence fee or ruin your credit rating.

114391 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to JohnB, #1300 of 1402 🔗

Ok. So without the treat of prison people are going to continue to stump up for a poor service. If the Conservatives create a mess like you describe the nation will never vote for them again. It’s clear that a fresh system without meat hooks is what is being called for.

114399 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 1, #1301 of 1402 🔗

The country will always vote for the Tories as there no viable alternative.

114368 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 2, #1302 of 1402 🔗

I don’t hold too many hope for reform. Tousi’s video tonight had the title saying the License fee had been cancelled, all that Bozo has said is there will be reform, and he will more than likely cave in any way as he doesn’t have any substance.

114440 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to JohnB, 1, #1303 of 1402 🔗

Might be a little warning for the BBC to keep up the fear porn

114457 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1304 of 1402 🔗

That would be my take on it. The rest of the media is starting to print sceptical articles and showing that the stats are against HMG’s narrative. Act of desperation and yet another useful red herring.

114436 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Basics, 1, #1305 of 1402 🔗

The EU do publish a database of their funding (& grant) recipients in an online database…suffice to say the BBC will have no choice but to reform their funding structure, leaving behind the EU’s not insignificant income contribution to their coffers.

114470 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Basics, #1306 of 1402 🔗

A household tax has been mooted more than once over the past couple of years and some other EU countries have one. They’d better not dare!

114325 PaulC, replying to PaulC, 27, #1307 of 1402 🔗

Just written to our MP

Dear
Whereas we had differing views at the last election as to the necessity of recognising the results of the Brexit referendum, events surrounding Covid 19 have overtaken everything. As our MP we are not sure what the (Opposition) position is regarding the government’s position to this continuing lockdown. We have become increasingly concerned that no one seems to know in relation to Covid 19 ‘WHAT IS THE END GAME’ ?
What is the magic formula that is going to allow us to sound the all clear?

Is it zero cases? The only way that will happen is if we just stop testing and stop reporting!

Is it a vaccine? It took 25 years for a chicken pox vaccine to be developed. The smallpox inoculation was discovered in 1796 the last known natural case was in 1977.
Is this government waiting for a vaccine, which may or may not come; and which is unlikely to be 100% effective?
For the past 9 weeks the Office for National Statistics has been reporting that of the 9000 or so weekly deaths less than 2% is being caused by Covid 19; whereas over 10% is being caused by summer seasonal flu. May we not just have to learn to live with this virus as we do with seasonal flu? This virus is not nearly as deadly as the flu in 1957 and 1968, both of which we lived through without destroying our way of life.
We have family living in Sweden for over 40 years. Many of us in back in March thought a more nuanced approach along the lines of Sweden with social distancing and good hygiene would have been more appropriate – and they have performed infinitely better than us with schools open and their economy not completely trashed.
The evidence currently is now strongly suggesting that there has been a total over-reaction by the government and with the ‘cure’ causing so much excess death and misery.
Without wishing to appear cynical is this not fertile territory for an opposition? What is the (Opposition) view on this current fiasco and can you share it with us and give us some hope?
Yours sincerely

P.S. We are both in our seventies, know that most of life is now behind us, but do not wish to live for however long we have left with this so called ‘new normal’.

114338 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to PaulC, 2, #1308 of 1402 🔗

Good Letter

114526 ▶▶ Bella, replying to PaulC, #1309 of 1402 🔗

If he/she is an opposition MP, not a chance (and I speak as an ex Labour voter)

114334 Two-Six, 6, #1310 of 1402 🔗

I think they have switched the propaganda switch back to climate change, it’s their next target. We have had global lockdown, restructuring of health, education, travel, commerce, finance, work removal of all rights, almost cashless, and ID scheme on the way with vaccines…its mission accomplished, now its how to re-build our new kinder greener fairer more loving and caring carbon zero world.

They have to move fast on this one as the virus isn’t that scary any more. Time for them is running out.

114336 RickH, replying to RickH, 14, #1311 of 1402 🔗

Just watching tonight’s ‘Prom’ (BBC 4).

How depressing – the music can’t compensate for the pointless token antisocial distancing of performers and the lack of an audience.

Still – I’m sure that some will be delighted that people ‘know their place’.

There should be no forgiveness for the instigators – of which this is just a minor incident in a catalogue of horrors. But will we ever have the equivalent of the Nuremberg Trials?

114343 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to RickH, 17, #1312 of 1402 🔗

I wouldn’t call this a minor incident. This goes to the heart of the destruction of everything that it means to be human. Music, and in particular public performances, has been one of our greatest sources of inspiration, comfort and community for millennia. This has been completely crushed out of existence by the puritanical zealotry and sadistic cruelty of the Covid cult miserablists.

114349 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Richard O, 3, #1313 of 1402 🔗

The removal of music is the thing I miss the most.

114359 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Two-Six, #1314 of 1402 🔗

Reading your reply reminds me of how far we have fallen. How can this be happening?

114384 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Richard O, 10, #1315 of 1402 🔗

I used to gate crash parties. I could almost always find one going on, in a house after the pubs kicked out, in the woods, up a track in the middle nowhere all over the country, in this country and in all other ones I have every visited. Music everywhere..

All those festivals, all those gigs, all those pubs with music on everywhere, the morris dancing, all those shows all over the country, the ploughing contests, agricultural shows, local fêtes, church jumble-sales, steam rallies, car shows.

ALL OF IT

FORBIDDEN

114483 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, #1316 of 1402 🔗

Almost like Oliver Cromwell has returned.

114432 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1317 of 1402 🔗

Agree. I’m sure music will be back, under the correct ‘conditions’. Which will probably mean phone-app confirmation and even then still probably social distancing… the O2 will have about 800 people in it max so prices will soar to accommodate – I fear people will have basically a either/or choice, – it’ll be like, hmmm shall I get a ticket to see The Stones, or buy a new Land Rover?! 🙂

114445 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, 1, #1318 of 1402 🔗

Live music is the most powerful force to pull people together. No wonder it’s as good as banned.

114370 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard O, 8, #1319 of 1402 🔗

I can’t disagree.

I am involved with orchestral music at an accomplished amateur level, but can’t face participating in the resumption of rehearsals when the whole orchestra can’t meet together at once, and the shrunken bodies that can meet are bound by stupid rules that inhibit normal functioning. I probably wouldn’t be able to keep my mouth shut.

I find very few members who have clocked that this is one big scam, and quite a few who seem to relish the artificial ‘glory’ of devising ways of complying with diktat.

What is sad is that a large proportion of the membership are within the age-group that is least affected – and usually possessing qualifications at first degree level or above. A number teach at university, and there’s a good sprinkling of medical personnel, as well. But I’ve seen little resistance.

… then there’s the folk groups and choirs that haven’t met for six months – as you say, part of what society is about.

As I’ve said – the instigators of this corruption of Life should not be forgiven.

114393 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 1, #1320 of 1402 🔗

Start a sceptics orchestra? Go underground like Christians in China.

114524 ▶▶▶▶ Youth_Unheard, replying to RickH, #1321 of 1402 🔗

http://www.laworfiction.com/2020/07/bands-and-orchestras-can-gather-together/

But let’s not forget that you can convince them to meet together normally! Granted uphill struggle if infested with bedwetters but it should reassure those who just go along with it to know that nothing in the law actually prevents it.

114392 ▶▶▶ Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, replying to Richard O, 17, #1322 of 1402 🔗

Totally agree. I am a professional opera singer who has lost all income this year due to cancelled contracts and, to add insult to injury, ineligible for state handouts. It feels that I myself have been ‘cancelled’ and my expertise, experience and craft built up over a career of over 30 years has been sacrificed to the warped sense of risk of an idiotic governmental and public sector elite. I feel utterly betrayed and incandescent with rage.

114405 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, 6, #1323 of 1402 🔗

There are no words sufficient to describe the depth of evil that has inflicted these grievous wounds. My heart goes out to you.

I watched the testimony (on the Anna Brees YouTube channel) of a woman who was a freelance singer specialising in performances in care homes. Needless to say her livelihood has been totally annihilated.

114425 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, 4, #1324 of 1402 🔗

You have my total empathy. But I know that alters absolutely nothing.

My daughter works in the theatre, and being employed by a national company, hasn’t suffered financially. But there’s no real performance going on, and she feels deeply what is being inflicted on colleagues in companies elsewhere.

Your rage is totally justified.

114525 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, 2, #1325 of 1402 🔗

I work in the arts too. I don’t know if you agree with this but as far as I understand this is all about taking all the joy out of our lives. This is a deliberate ploy. Politicians are miserable cunts at the best of times (never knew one who went to the theatre when I was more active in it) and they want you to be as miserable as them.

114380 ▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, #1326 of 1402 🔗

Did you catch why Alina Ibragimova wasn’t playing? Have to say I quite enjoyed the slightly dumpy stand in and thought she played beautifully. But the faux hugs were sickening.

114430 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Will, 2, #1327 of 1402 🔗

No – I didn’t catch up with that detail. I think I was too bound up with the utter desolation at this travesty of what is a social experience. I felt immensely sad – to the extent of finding it hard to enjoy the Bach Double and happy memories of playing it – to a f.ing audience.

I just felt overwhelmed at the disconnect with the empty hall and the thin applause from the performance. It seemed a symbol of all that this evil embodies.

114449 ▶▶▶ PFD, replying to Will, #1328 of 1402 🔗

She withdrew because of the death of her father.

114350 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 11, #1329 of 1402 🔗

https://www.aier.org/article/the-covid-19-catastrophe/

“By the time things have returned to normal, the total price tag, just in terms of lost incomes and adjusted for inflation, will have exceeded the costs of all the wars the US has ever fought, from the American Revolution to Afghanistan – combined.”

 Worth reading.Costs in the US.

114493 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, #1330 of 1402 🔗

Some will be quids in on a massive scale. Assets cheap. Monopoly control of essential industries like food, communications, goods transport. All assured.

114353 Richard, replying to Richard, 3, #1331 of 1402 🔗

Hi, sorry if someone else has mentioned this – I haven’t looked through all 1188 comments. I’m afraid the “news” about Beneden School is incorrect. I love the blog, but I feel you should correct that to maintain trust in your content.

114540 ▶▶ Ian Rons, replying to Richard, #1332 of 1402 🔗

Please see the “Stop Press” above. Turns out that it wasn’t the entire school that was sent home — just some of them.

115030 ▶▶▶ Richard, replying to Ian Rons, #1333 of 1402 🔗

Many thanks for checking and amending. Keep up the good work.

114358 Richard, 1, #1334 of 1402 🔗

I meant Bedales, obvs. Getting my posh schools mixed up.

114360 Cheezilla, #1335 of 1402 🔗

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times
Insanity was the normality
You spun your web, you drew me in
I was blind but now I see

~ Lone Wolf ~

114377 RickH, replying to RickH, 4, #1336 of 1402 🔗

Remember?

We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
or rats’ feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar

Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;

Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death’s other kingdom
Remember us – if at all – not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.

114444 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, 1, #1337 of 1402 🔗

Eliot nailed it!

114381 Beowa, replying to Beowa, #1338 of 1402 🔗

Just seen this on the Facebook group UK Lockdown Sceptics

Not a good look for BTP

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2711249702437114/permalink/2832846496944100/

114421 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Beowa, #1339 of 1402 🔗

Private group so can’t see anything when clicking on the link.

114383 Tommo, replying to Tommo, 13, #1340 of 1402 🔗

I know we tend to highlight the absurdities of various restrictions / masks on this website, but I am seeing more things returning to ‘old’ normal in my part of the world. Kids football training very normal – no real restrictions other than elbow touches instead of handshakes. More people out and about and very few wearing masks in open air. Shops still lots of mask-madness, but get impression people don’t want to get in trouble, rather than believing they make any difference. Schools starting back – great! The more people come out – and do the things they did before lockdown – the easier it is for them to see the risk is practically zero. Of course, there’s still people who are very scared and make a lot of noise online, but I really do believe this group is becoming a minority. Massive percentage of people ready to be converted to scepticism. Anyone else seeing reasons to be cheerful?

114387 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tommo, 9, #1341 of 1402 🔗

There’s potential but it needs to be realised. There’s an appetite for normality, but there is apathy and laziness and the desire not to make or get into trouble. There are lots of mad people, but fewer than one might think from social and mainstream media.

The trouble is that there’s a danger of a huge pushback from government and their collaborators if they see the narrative beginning to unravel – manufactured second wave, much more censorship, dirtier and dirtier tactics. It may get nasty.

And I don’t consider schools “back” while there are so many stupid rules and restrictions, and so many extra-curricular activities not happening. The government must not take credit for getting schools back.

114412 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 3, #1342 of 1402 🔗

Agreed.

I’d like to be optimistic, but psychopathy still dominates.

114523 ▶▶▶ Youth_Unheard, replying to Julian, 1, #1343 of 1402 🔗

Yep, still lots of lazy people who are happy to put up with the “minor inconveniences” they seem to think masking, testing and shutting down business, arbitrary one way systems and sanitising everything 10 times an hour are. What they don’t realise is that by going along, even though they don’t believe in it, is helping the government and giving more fuel for them to continue their fabricated emergency.

114479 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tommo, #1344 of 1402 🔗

All the time. It’s slow, but it’s there.

114521 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Tommo, 1, #1345 of 1402 🔗

People being scared for getting into trouble is part of the problem. Resistance gets you into trouble. If there’s no resistance we remain as we are. Breaking the rules is what we’re supposed to do if the rules are bollocks.

114394 matt, replying to matt, 29, #1346 of 1402 🔗

One post, two anecdotes.

No. 1. I have an ongoing battle with my boss’s boss about a specific issue that he thinks I should be responsible for and my basic point is that the data is trash. I’ve become unpopular because I’ve been pointing out that the data is trash rather than taking responsibility for the “problem” that the data suggests. I spent several hours today coaching the two other people who make up my team into understanding why the data is trash and let them go first on our weekly call with boss’s boss. I then came in with the rest.

Result was, ‘the data guy’ said “you’ve really drilled into the data. Thank you for helping us understand what’s going on.” ‘Drilling into the data’ took me 25 minutes this morning. Apparently an entire department hadn’t been able to work out what was blindingly obvious. My highest maths-related qualifications are a couple of GCSEs more than a quarter of a century old.

My point being, it’s shocking how bad the ability of even intelligent, qualified people is to understand what numbers mean. But it’s also surprising how effective building a story around them can be. Don’t lose hope.

No. 2. Trivial, but I met up for a few drinks with 3 friends today who I haven’t seen for at least 6 months. All a bit older than me, in their early 50s, all of them partners in their respective law firms. About 20 minutes in, one of them said to me “you’re usually better informed on this stuff. When is the country actually going to be able to get back to work?” I started my reply with “I can’t answer that question, because the whole thing is complete nonsense and even if you don’t think it was nonsense to begin with, it’s obviously nonsense now.” Cue an absolute torrent of scepticism. They all (a Brit, an Aussie and a Kiwi) buy absolutely none of it. Good stuff.

The end.

114402 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to matt, 10, #1347 of 1402 🔗

Fully agree re anecdote 1. I broached the masks thing with work people at the pub today and they were surprisingly receptive.

114414 ▶▶ matt, replying to matt, 6, #1348 of 1402 🔗

I meant to add – one of the 3 is a friend of a certain odious GMB presenter. Apparently he (the presenter) has been getting a lot of abuse on various WhatsApp groups from friends (and relatives) lately and simply won’t listen to it.

114420 ▶▶ RickH, replying to matt, 9, #1349 of 1402 🔗

My point being, it’s shocking how bad the ability of even intelligent, qualified people is to understand what numbers mean.”

I think you’re spot on.

There’s a major lacuna in terms of basic mathematical literacy, with skills such as assessment of probability, estimation of risk and simply the ability to read data or a graph etc. woefully lacking.

It is a serious problem

114441 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to RickH, 2, #1350 of 1402 🔗

I’ve been battling against this particular piece of data-driven lunacy all year (not the lockdown, my work thing). The people who have been looking at the data and hitting me with it are eminently qualified to analyse data – and in fact, it’s their whole job. Today’s little reveal, for me, was that it all comes down to belief. If you start with a point of view that if things are bad, the data will say Y and then you see Y, then you won’t bother to question that things are bad. It really only took two or 3 examples of how apparent Y did not mean Y to get them to talk about changing the whole system around measuring Y. Personally, I think this is what Heneghan is doing. Call me an optimist, but I think he’ll get there.

114476 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to matt, 1, #1351 of 1402 🔗

People see what they want to see, all too often. Back in March, on another site, somebody asked me if I agreed the R0 rate was 3. I replied that the R0 rate might be anything unless we knew precisely how many people were infected and infectious, and how easy or difficult it is to pass on the disease.

I’m still certain we are unable to answer either question.

114397 swedenborg, 11, #1352 of 1402 🔗

https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1301551708754055168/photo/1
 The most updated C-19 death by age in the US New age group 0-17 years  85 deaths  in 74 million. Almost 18000 other deaths during the same time. The list of deaths by age is the exact opposite of the Spanish flu. Project fear worst lie.

114409 Basics, 3, #1353 of 1402 🔗

Holyrood No New Normal protest this Saturday has Speakers.

Flyer here:
https://twitter.com/ScottAnd67/status/1301451725203738625?s=20

114410 rational actor, replying to rational actor, 14, #1354 of 1402 🔗

Having read the stories of what children face when they return to school, I would really classify some of these strictures as a form of psychological abuse and adult bullying (don’t turn your head or you’re excluded? WTF?). These are not reasonable forms of discipline. I’d tend to agree that someone wants to make the whole experience so bad that teachers can go home. Fine. At this point I’d be happy for them all to go home permanently.

My first choice would be to take the kids out and homeschool, but if you can’t do that you should not be leaving your children at the mercy of this kind of totalitarianism. I would like to have some useful suggestions for providers of mental health advocacy for children, but I am not even sure those exist in the UK. My only suggestion would be to contact the NSPCC and ask if such things exist. The Chlldren’s and Adolescent Mental Health Service (CAMHS) in your area should have some advice about this also, but I’m well aware of how hard they are to deal with. Just don’t force your children to be part of things like this.

114424 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to rational actor, 1, #1355 of 1402 🔗

Just heard from my child’s school that they will be keeping the windows in the classroom open throughout the winter

114426 ▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to Jonathan Palmer, -5, #1356 of 1402 🔗

And? We don’t have cold winters here and the fresh air will do them good. If that’s all you’ve got to moan about then you’re doing alright, aren’t you?

114464 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Cruella, #1357 of 1402 🔗

I suppose you are ok with the children in Scotland being made to stand outside in the rain as well as it’s character building

114500 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Jonathan Palmer, -4, #1358 of 1402 🔗

What?

Open windows are healthy

Being made to stand in the rain isn’t..

Moronic response.

114509 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ossettian, 1, #1359 of 1402 🔗

Sitting in a classroom by the window in the middle of winter all day is healthy ,all for the sake of a non existent threat.Both examples of the moronic response of our teachers not mine

114515 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Ossettian, 1, #1360 of 1402 🔗

Open windows are not healthy in minus 10, so who’s the moron now?

114514 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Cruella, 1, #1361 of 1402 🔗

Are you kidding? So that’s okay if there’s a northerly or easterly wind? Have you so conveniently forgotten ‘the beast from the east?’ How very complacent. You are justifying unnecessary draconian measures. Fuck me.

114427 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 8, #1362 of 1402 🔗

Mrs 2-6’s friend works in an office with a coronaphobe. She won’t allow the air conditioner to be turned on because it’s to windy and blows the covids about. She had to sit in the office in 35 dec C heat with it turned off to keep her colleague “safe”.

This is almost funny

114435 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1363 of 1402 🔗

That must feel something like working in a Snowglobe. The office will need a special shake before Christmas.

114458 ▶▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1364 of 1402 🔗

Ha I work in an office (well, worked, i now wfh…) with a guy who is always cold and wouldnt allow the air con on in similar temps, I just got up and said fuck this im going home. I might have stuck it out had I known i’d be spending the entirety of the following summer at home alone and should have cherished every day with human company

Why should your wife’s colleagues paranoia win out over other peoples comfort?

114506 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mark II, #1365 of 1402 🔗

No idea, if I was her I would have told her not to be such a dick.

114428 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #1366 of 1402 🔗

That isn’t such a bad idea really. However under the circumstances, it’s mental.

114486 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to rational actor, #1367 of 1402 🔗

LynseybelleQ506 (@lynseybelle506) Tweeted:
This is my son’s maths teacher talking :face_with_symbols_over_mouth: https://t.co/cLVWKL6Dh6 https://twitter.com/lynseybelle506/status/1301498010661257219?s=20

What have we become.

114504 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1368 of 1402 🔗

A bunch of idiots apparently

114511 ▶▶ Bella, replying to rational actor, #1369 of 1402 🔗

I’m pretty sure this is as much illegal as corporal punishment is. My brother went to school in the sixties where, on occasion but rarely, they caned and slippered pupils for misdemeanours – I’m not in favour by the way and nor is he – but otherwise it was a bastion of liberalism and freedom compared to this. I think corporal punishment was abuse but it was of its time, this crap is psychological torture.

114433 Basics, 4, #1370 of 1402 🔗

Simon Dolan is asking a direct question of Mike Wendling BBC disinformation unit head. Mike Wendling is not answering.

If you feel like asking for Mike to answer Simon’s question the details are here:
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1301552064967958528?s=20

114438 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 21, #1371 of 1402 🔗

I was just reading some second world war history about the ‘few’, those battle of Britain pilots who quite literally saved Britain from a German invasion in 1940. In particular I was reminded of Douglas Bader who piloted a Spitfire with no legs and downed twenty two enemy aircraft before being shot down and ending up, after numerous escape attempts, as a prisoner in Colditz castle.

Bader coined the phrase:

Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.

Can you imagine these men, brave, courageous, self sacrificing and above all not afraid to take real life or death risks being taken in by a so called life threatening virus that only exists in a computer model of a much discredited so called ‘expert’?

Fools obey rules because they cannot think for themselves and being led, yes, like sheep, is the only way they know. Wise men on the other hand know when rules are ridiculous, pathetic, contradictory and counter productive and even if they are mandatory, legal or the decree of idiot rulers know that their conscience will always object to following them.

So take heart fellow sceptics. When you feel that you cannot wear a useless mask, stand at a certain place because you are told, rub your hands with a solution before entry or treat other people around you if they have some imaginary plague believe this:

You are the wise men—the rest are the Fools.

114469 ▶▶ Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, replying to Harry hopkins, 8, #1372 of 1402 🔗

Wonderful story of Bader giving a talk at an upmarket girls public school.
’So there were two of the f***ers behind me, three f***ers to my right, another f***er on the left,’ he told the audience. The headmistress went pale and interjected: ‘Ladies, the Fokker was a German aircraft.’ Sir Douglas replied: ‘That may be madam, but these f***ers were in Messerschmitts’.”

114519 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Brian ‘Monty’ Cohen, 2, #1373 of 1402 🔗

One on my favourites!

114484 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Harry hopkins, 6, #1374 of 1402 🔗

Douglas Bader walked up our driveway once, I heard his legs creaking as he walked, he was collecting for charity, my Dad said, that’s Douglass Bader he has wooden legs…That was in about 1979.

114518 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Harry hopkins, #1375 of 1402 🔗

Read ‘First Light’ by Geoffrey Wellum.

Truly inspirational.

114439 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #1376 of 1402 🔗

Guy came to lay some new flooring in my bathroom today.
It was only after he left that I realised there were no masks, no mention of masks, no weird physical distancing, other than what’s instinctive between two strangers. Perfectly normal, if minimal conversation. You’d never think there was a dystopian panic going on “out there.”

On the other hand, I went to Aldi this evening. It was reasonably busy for the time of day. I was the only unmasked customer, though the floorstaff were unmuzzled today.
I had a perfectly normal conversation about egg sizes with a bemuzzled shopper at the egg section. Weird!

114446 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1377 of 1402 🔗

Sooo how did this egg size conversation go?

114456 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1378 of 1402 🔗

Not sure there’s much normal talking to strangers about egg sizes I’m afraid Cheezilla 😀

114459 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Cheezilla, #1379 of 1402 🔗

Don’t keep us in suspense!

114590 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Cheezilla, #1380 of 1402 🔗

Same thing with me. Had some electrical work done – no masks, no swerving, no flinching. Felt emboldened to offer both guys a cup of tea and they didn’t hesitate in accepting. Same thing with the buider who did some repairs to the roof.

Totally different scenario with an estate agent who came in in full haz-mat gear. I told her that if she wanted to wear the stuff for herself then fine, but if it was for my benefit then she had no need for it. She said she *had* to wear it. She also said she wasn’t *allowed* to accept the offer of a drink.

114442 Anthony, replying to Anthony, 13, #1381 of 1402 🔗

Disappointing to see that protest groups in Australia are also full of 5G ‘conspiracy theorists’. There seems to be a lot of these people about at the minute. Could it be that genuine protests, based on sound lockdown scepticism, are being infiltrated by manufactured 5G crackpots to ridicule the whole cause? Any association with what is seen as the ‘tin foil hat brigade’ is a sure fire way of putting off sensible people. It will also provide ample ammo for the MSM to discredit any protest with the usual drivel of associating lockdown scepticism with flat earther’s and lizard people.

114454 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Anthony, 2, #1382 of 1402 🔗

You will get an element of this for a couple of reasons. First off, these people have been protesting a lot longer than we have. Most lockdown sceptics have never really protested before in their lives.

Secondly, depending on the type of conspiracy, the government moving in so obviously a totalitarian direction, dropping a Chinese Communist Party policy of lockdown on us from the sky, is manna from heaven for them. It merely confirms what they have believed all along: that democracy and freedom is a sham, and that their favourite conspiracy is the one behind it and pulling all the strings.

I don’t really think any effort is required on the part of the authorities to “infiltrate” the sceptic movement. If anything, those of us who follow no conspiracy theories are quite probably the infiltrators!

114461 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Anthony, 4, #1383 of 1402 🔗

5G is the tool which will enable the surveillance grid to be put in place.Since this has started ive been wearing a tin foil suit just to be sure

114478 ▶▶ jim j, replying to Anthony, #1384 of 1402 🔗

I think to be objective that has actually happened in all protest movements forever almost. There are big movements that always jump on left side protests – the International Socialists, and in the Labour Party, A group bring a bit of anti semitism flavour that the mainstream must hate.
It’s just an opportunity for a day out for the extreme/loony groups to hitch their wagon to a bigger cause. I think it goes way back to antiVietnam protests in the US

114517 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to jim j, 1, #1385 of 1402 🔗

You are certainly correct about groups linking causes, just look at Extinction Rebellion hitching onto the BLM movement. Many of these groups have shared memberships so it perhaps isn’t surprising. The establishment have many smear tactics to use when they have had enough of a group.

114520 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to jim j, 1, #1386 of 1402 🔗

Just for information : the Labour Party always had miniscule antisemitism. Less than other parties.

114528 ▶▶▶▶ jim j, replying to RickH, 2, #1387 of 1402 🔗

I readily accept that, it was just an easy example from recent news flow. It could also be the islamaphobia levelled at Torys

114513 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Anthony, 4, #1388 of 1402 🔗

Many of the 5G ‘conspiracy theorists’ and other extreme individuals on Facebook groups might not necessarily be real people. I have looked at the profiles of many of the people who make strange and off topic comments and to be honest I don’t think they are real people. Facebook is certainly still full of fake profiles. If you are a government trying to discredit a movement a tactic you would use is to insert people who dissuade people with genuine concerns. Personally I would ignore the cranks as most won’t exist.

114452 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #1389 of 1402 🔗

Something which people may be interested in, Andrew Johnson is preparing a report to go to various UK bodies, he is looking for support and other organisations which may need to be sent copies:

https://youtu.be/QkHag8VmlHU

114496 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dave #KBF, #1390 of 1402 🔗

Good Work Andrew Johnson. I might wait a while before I sign it. This won’t go down too well.

114462 richard riewer, 1, #1391 of 1402 🔗

Tucker Carlson, August 24, 2020: Have you been to America lately?
Gates, Tedros, Biden …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeTliWwDPOg

114463 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #1392 of 1402 🔗

“Urgent hunt for man in surgical gloves and face mask who attacked a child in Edinburgh
The child was left with minor injuries after the violent attack by a suspicious man wearing surgical gloves.”

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/urgent-hunt-man-surgical-gloves-18871094

114495 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 5, #1393 of 1402 🔗

One comment on that page so far, its like our local rag, nobody cares. Terrible for the girl, being assaulted by a PPE clad zombie. The stuff of nightmares.

114487 richard riewer, 1, #1394 of 1402 🔗

If we behave like submissive sheep Cockup promises us a good Xmas this year. If not … Tear his guts out and shove them down his throat.

114492 Barney McGrew, 2, #1395 of 1402 🔗

Guardian: Coronavirus live news: tracing apps ‘may stem spread even with low uptake’
I was thinking about this earlier on when someone mentioned the fact that flu is killing many more people than Covid. What can the explanation be? Until that revelation, it was always possible for lockdown zealots to say that it was the lockdown wot saved us and Covid is just waiting to burst out again. But if flu is spreading and Covid isn’t, that particular story looks very suspect. Maybe Covid really is over.

Enter Track-and-Trace. This is a specific difference between flu and Covid that can be used to dismiss the awkward flu problem. In other words, Covid really is still there, but it’s being kept in abeyance by a T&T system that works remarkably well – is the story they’ll be promoting. Fear the second wave, we mustn’t let up our guard now, etc.

114510 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 4, #1396 of 1402 🔗

Most people are a bit lazy. They will believe things that it is easy to believe. What they will not do is accept anything that hits their pocket. This is the nature of modern democracy.

This is why magic money is such a devastating weapon of destruction for the Western world. It allows lazy choices. Like lockdown.

114522 ▶▶ RickH, replying to WhyNow, #1397 of 1402 🔗

I think that you are underestimating the one success of this catastrophe – the inculcation of genuine Fear by the Mengele group (SPI-B)

114529 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to RickH, 3, #1398 of 1402 🔗

SPI-B is exactly that because it uses people’s laziness. The fear is shallow. It’s convenient to work from home if you are still paid 100% for doing so.

The casualties in this are the self-employed, those on short term contract or relying on sales, working in hospitality or retail, small businesses. If you are a judge or a social worker then it’s all a sensible precaution. All because of magic money.

114512 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #1399 of 1402 🔗

Matt Hancock: The reincarnation of Joseph Mengele.

114664 ▶▶ Kev, replying to richard riewer, #1400 of 1402 🔗

These were a couple of good articles a few weeks ago explaining where all the Vaccine funding is coming from, and all the links the likes of Hancock has to Big Pharma, GAVI, WHO etc.

http://www.zerohedge.com/markets/who-controls-british-government-response-covid-19-part-1
http://www.zerohedge.com/health/who-controls-british-government-response-covid-19-part-2

Enlightening

114544 richard riewer, 1, #1401 of 1402 🔗

If we move away from fossil fuels and other methods of generating electricity and move towards more windmills and other feeble electricity generating schemes how are we going to charge the batteries of all those electric vehicles?

114600 Steve Martindale, 2, #1402 of 1402 🔗

I do quite a bit of voluntary work with Devon Wildlife Trust and being outdoors work this is thankfully all getting going again but of course with Covid rules. Their rules talk about 2m social distance, when I queried this saying that I thought Boris had reduced this to 1m, they replied that it was not down to them, their Health & Safety person had had a meeting with their insurers who insisted that they say 2m or they would not be insured. Clearly a wildlife trust cannot run the risk of being uninsured and so this is all being dictated by the insurance industry.
Mind you as volunteers we are responsible for our own travel and so we can and do share lifts with each other but then when we start work we must keep 2m apart!

Similarly, the other day I went swimming at Chagford outdoor pool, lovely setting on Dartmoor and I was reprimanded for swimming backstroke! The lady seemed rather sheepish and apologetic for telling me this but the rules have come down from Swim England and have to be obeyed or they will not be insured. So I just swam on my front and smiled thinking about how cunning this virus is that despite the clear bracing air on Dartmoor it is actually full of virus about to rain down on unsuspecting backstroke swimmers!

But my point is that Insurance is playing an insidious role in cranking up and perpetuating these daft Covid rules.

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