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114545 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 19, #1 of 1211 🔗

every dog has its day

114575 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #2 of 1211 🔗

Why Are Covid-19 Cases Soaring In NZ? PCR Test Update
Dr. Sam Bailey
87.8K subscribers
Dr Sam talks about what is happening in NZ in regards to COVID-19 and important information you should know about the COVID-19 PCR Test

114738 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #3 of 1211 🔗

That video from Dr Sam was very interesting. Thanks.

115152 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #4 of 1211 🔗


115526 ▶▶▶ nfw, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #5 of 1211 🔗

That would be because more tests are being done and more results are being fudged. But as long as the sheep believe “cases” means deaths, then grandmas are safe.

114577 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to crimsonpirate, 10, #6 of 1211 🔗

Latest From Fascist Melbourne

Melbourne police break down a door over a Facebook post protesting government tyranny.

114587 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 11, #7 of 1211 🔗

That behaviour by the Police is reminiscent of a spate of Police encounters with people filming and photographing them a few years ago.

The Police lost that argument in the end.

114660 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to karenovirus, 9, #8 of 1211 🔗

They lost because they didn’t understand the law and were abusing their powers, until put into check.

114617 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 12, #9 of 1211 🔗

When I see stuff like that, it just reinforces my belief that the people really, really should be armed.

114677 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Nick Rose, #10 of 1211 🔗

The female people only, of course. Maybe the aboriginals, as well.

115108 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bruno, 3, #11 of 1211 🔗

All people. A .45 is the greatest equaliser of all.

115685 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nick Rose, #12 of 1211 🔗

P.45 for some government advisers.

114716 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #13 of 1211 🔗

Coming to a neighbourhood near you (if we don’t quickly stop them).

Ten Brave Australian Police officers

Facebook Garbage

More Brave APOs

APOs helping a Disabled man

114649 ▶▶▶ Not Me, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 63, #14 of 1211 🔗

If anyone ever wondered how”ordinary Germans” could have participated in the Holocaust, this shows how. The government introduces horrific, illiberal, totalitarian legislation, and the functionaries of the State happily go about implementing them. Do any of these police officers reflect on what, exactly, they are doing? Do any of them feel shame? If the legislation said, “the Jews are filthy and spread disease, round them up” do you seriously believe that these brave and noble upholders of the law would pause even for a minute at the door of Mr & Mrs Cohen?

Our idea that we live in a liberal democracy, where our rights are protected by the State is a mirage. We are not free, and have not been for generations.

We are the unfortunate ones who live in an age where our betters have discovered the perfect excuse to gain more power. And almost everyone is happy to go along with it. Including me. I’m starting a new job in a couple of weeks, so here I am anonymous still that my heretical words do not get me fired.

So sad.

114714 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Not Me, 11, #15 of 1211 🔗

I learned about unmerited power aged 14-15, I had a part time job with W.H.Smith & Sons.
One of my duties was to stand by the entrance at 17.15 and not let anybody else in before locking the door at 17.30 sharp.

I really loved that part of my job, the more they wailed and moaned the better I liked it because then was back to sweeping the floor.

114743 ▶▶▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to karenovirus, 12, #16 of 1211 🔗

Wow, yes, reminds me of when I was Saturday girl in Woolworths in the early 1980s. We were given certain powers like telling customers to put out their cigarettes, not allowing people into the shop near closing time, and on the bakery I could decide when to reduce the prices of items at the end of the day to the waiting masses ( I actually used to reduce stuff earlier for some regulars.) It was amazing how people did just as they were told, and how we are all taught to respect the tiniest amount of authority.

115527 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ nfw, replying to HelenaHancart, 2, #17 of 1211 🔗

The word is NOT “respect”, it’s “obey”. Respect is earned.

114755 ▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to karenovirus, 4, #18 of 1211 🔗

Just as well I never visited your shop as there might have been a bit of an argument! 🙂 Stopping people coming in 15 minutes early seems excessive. It only takes a minute or two to buy a bar of chocolate.

115093 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Edward, 2, #19 of 1211 🔗

Tough, one Mrs Bouquet phoned Head Office to complain, they told the branch manager to ‘congratulate that boy’.

114912 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Not Me, 16, #20 of 1211 🔗

Yes look at that scumbag of a British Transport Police pepper spraying a man refusing to wear amask becauuse of a medical condition.
Copper needs to be prosecuted and sacked without pension to show the other coppers they cannot break the law and assault the public with impunity.
(IN the Daily Wail if you are brave enough)

115122 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #21 of 1211 🔗

Weirdly we travelled on Merseyrail the other day, had our passes checked, no mention of masklessness, maybe it is because we are oldies?

115110 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Not Me, 2, #22 of 1211 🔗

It didn’t give them pause in the Channel Islands in WW2. Cards marked “J”, sent to Auschwitz, never returned.

115574 ▶▶▶▶ nightspore, replying to Not Me, 2, #23 of 1211 🔗

Democracy never meant what people tend to think it means – some sort of enlightened political condition. Democracy is just a bunch of tools for solving problems. It doesn’t mean the problems go away. The tools of democracy don’t prevent bad things from happening, but they give one some sort of recourse if they do. That’s all. (And of course the tools don’t work if no one uses them.)(And even worse, the tools themselves [such as the law] can be abused.)

115687 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to nightspore, #24 of 1211 🔗

In ancient Greece the word Democracy was originally coined to mean ‘mob rule’, we should have some more of it.

114653 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 13, #25 of 1211 🔗

My goodness, that is shocking. How easily we have descended into tyranny and just shows how fragile our civil liberties are, and thus even more reason to make a stand now before it gets to this stage and you can’t.

114796 ▶▶▶▶ Gtec, replying to Nsklent, 13, #26 of 1211 🔗

I agree, but it is the emphasis on rights rather than liberty that has masked the threat to, and loss of our liberty, over the last 50 years; you cannot measure the loss of often competing rights, but you can the denial or withdrawal of liberty.

Our ancestors understood that innately, which is why such concepts as double jeopardy withstood the test of time until Tony Blair ‘modernised’ it away on the premise that modern methods of detection could turn up ‘new’ evidence, etc., etc.

The point is that the principle of being tried twice for the same crime has been broken.

Even though it is meant to be applied to ‘serious’ cases, who decides what’s serious? Posting a notice on Facebook?

We can, however, measure the application of this power, and judge as a whole whether it is being applied as was intended when we crossed that particular Rubicon.

Our contemporary fetish for rights has blinded us to the loss of our basic liberty in my opinion. Others may not agree.

Nonetheless, what C-19 has amply demonstrated is that the words ‘liberal’ and ‘democracy’ are interchangeable with those of ‘repression’ and ‘dictatorship’.

Our freedom is like an onion skin; you can see right through it. And like an onion, its loss will make us cry.

115421 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #27 of 1211 🔗

That’s absurd.They just proved that person’s complaint. They are tyrannical. Imbeciles!

116384 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #28 of 1211 🔗

12 bore required

114605 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to crimsonpirate, 13, #29 of 1211 🔗

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114834 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Steeve, 4, #30 of 1211 🔗

thanks-it feels like my Birthday!

115182 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steeve, 1, #31 of 1211 🔗

Looks like former W.H.O. director Margaret Chan during the Ebola outbreak.

115633 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to crimsonpirate, #32 of 1211 🔗

Woof! Woof!

114548 Allen, replying to Allen, 97, #33 of 1211 🔗

Amidst all the data and digging into the deeper truths about the Covid swindle it’s important for everyone to remember the basics that all of us, to varying degrees, are being completely abused by the policies that have put in place over these last six months.

How much longer are people going to stand for this? And what demands are people going to make to hold accountable those who made these devastating decisions that have and are destroying millions of lives?

This is truly amazing to see. Millions of healthy people have been held hostage by their own governments- demanded in various forms to self-isolate and bring their lives to a screeching halt. For what?

That is what is being mandated and sold as decisions for “public health.” Think about this. This isn’t madness this is control and coercion. These are criminal acts.

Just that which is being done to the kids all across these countries should be enough for people to rise up and unseat all officials who are abusing these children with these draconian policies.

114586 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Allen, 10, #34 of 1211 🔗

The point about ‘Public Health’, which only became a thing a few year ago, is that it regards us all as a single entity.
If a policy designed to protect The Public harms some individuals as a result that policy can still be held up as successful so promotions and gongs all around.

115080 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 3, #35 of 1211 🔗

In Quebec their latest campaign is titled #touscontreun. All against one, I guess. Who is the One? Covid? Anyone who disagrees? It also resembles The Musketeers motto ‘All for one and one for all’. The Collectivity. No more individuals. In sum, No more Diversity. They yell and scream about enabling and protecting Diversity but do everything in their power to stamp it out.

115281 ▶▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to richard riewer, 2, #36 of 1211 🔗

For some collectivity is the ultimate good, not a means justifying the end, but an end in itself. Sturgeon is an obvious example. Mao, rather than Lenin, was perhaps the one who got this idea going. Pol Pot its über enforcer.

114612 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Allen, 39, #37 of 1211 🔗

You want to know how long they’ll put up with it for, let me think, oh yeas for fucking ever. I’m still the only one in the shops without a mask and a worrying trend is now almost every time i’m getting people saying shit to me. I think the plebs are tired of the mask but are to fuking stupid to take it off and i guess folk like me are gonna be the target

114622 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 14, #38 of 1211 🔗

I try to talk Covid sense to people who take their mask off if they want to talk to me, most of them seem to closet Sceptics to varying degrees, none say shit to me but the off they go to shops putting their mask back on having just agreed that they are pointless at best.

114727 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to karenovirus, 5, #39 of 1211 🔗

I just point out that there are many exemptions

114742 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Biker, 8, #40 of 1211 🔗

I would take the increased pressure from mask wearers on non-mask wearers as sign of the growing cognitive dissonance they are experiencing. They’ll eventually snap.

114620 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Allen, 9, #41 of 1211 🔗

It’ll carry on for as long as people just want to keep their heads down.

114725 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Allen, 2, #42 of 1211 🔗
115194 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #43 of 1211 🔗

There is another rally planned for September 26, 2020.

115160 ▶▶ Morris_Day, replying to Allen, 3, #44 of 1211 🔗

Many people want this to happen. Covid is the the means to drive their agenda and the fact that they’ve swept up the MSM is the stuff of dreams. They will not stop to distract away from the statictics, because the staticists aren’t important to them. They want the complete destruction of the economy, they want the education system to collapse, they want to ‘defund the police. They must be stopped.

As I said to an Extinction Rebellion loony who stopped me and asked for my support in them blocking the main road in my town (and led to a 2 mile – 15 minute de-tour)… your ideas may have some merit but your actions would cause the biggest genocide in history.

These people do not care about the millions of kids who would starve, or the billions of livelihoods destoryed, they just want to ‘stick it to the man’ and establish a world of chaos.

115261 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Morris_Day, 5, #45 of 1211 🔗

XR ideas have little merit.
They’re protesting against climate change, i.e. something that has always changed since the Earth developed a climate billions of years ago.
They might as well protest against the sky being blue.
If they want to protest about environmental damage, with some real solutions, I’d have a great deal of sympathy, but what they want, as you say, would cause the deaths of millions from starvation, and reduce living standards back to the stone age.

115191 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Allen, 2, #46 of 1211 🔗

There must have been lots of moments in the past when the public health agenda was given precedence over individual freedom. Good subject for a book.
Dominic Frisby just wrote a book on the history of taxation:
Daylight Robbery by Dominic Frisby | Penguin Random …
http://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca › books › daylight-robbery-by-dominic-fris…

In Daylight Robbery, Dominic Frisby traces the origins of taxation , from its roots in the ancient world, through to today. He explores the role of tax in the formation of our global religions, the part tax played in wars and revolutions throughout the ages, why, at one stage, we paid tax for daylight or for growing a beard. Ranging from the despotic to…

115580 ▶▶ nightspore, replying to Allen, 1, #47 of 1211 🔗

Try telling this to people who believe. There are many who have bought into this whole-heartedly. (I know because I work with these types.) They’re busy preparing reams of guidelines, plans for returning to work (sometime or other), etc. The place where I work now has arrows on the floor to indicate the paths people should take in the main halls, signs on every door to indicate the maximum number of occupants allowed, and endless emails detailing new guidelines. It’s all quite mad – and these people certainly don’t see it as a program of “control and coercion”. In fact, knowing these people, I’m certain they think they’re being rational.

114559 BobT, replying to BobT, 82, #48 of 1211 🔗

I just came across a list of all the members of SAGE and their sub groups.


About 95% of them are Prof, or Dr (not actual Doctors or Dentists) so they are all Academics. There are no Carpenters, Bricklayers, Labourers, Engineers, Architects, Waiters or Waitresses, Hairdressers, Supermarket workers, Truck drivers, Cleaners, Traffic wardens, Police, Lawyers, GP’s, Nurses, Hospital Consultants, Surgeons, Teachers, Janitors, self employed workers, homeless people or all the rest of the people who make life work yet all these people are the ones who have and will suffer more the effects of the decisions taken by SAGE.

Every Man Jack of the Academics in SAGE has a grand salary with guaranteed job security and a very attractive pension package so their decisions do not affect them in the slightest (at least in the short term… their narrow mindedness may catch up with them too!).

Anecdotally, I have had a run in with Academics before. I was doing an egineering project at sea and had measured data to hand. I did a talk to some university students and on the basis of my data challenged the validity of the accepted theoretical characterisation of sea waves. Two Professors approached me afterwards, red faced, angry and close to heart failure to argue against my factual measurements and defend their learned theories.

I am sure that Imperial College designed their epidemialogical computer simulations based on some (likely old) text that they have accepted as fact. Think R numbers etc. I am afraid (and I am sure that I am going to be attacked for this) that Academics do not “think out of the box”.

We could have avoided all this if the members of SAGE were the Carpenters, Bricklayers et al mentioned above who have to “think out of the box” to make a living day by day.

I can imagine the SAGE meeting in this (fully democratic) situation.

Chairman: We are planning to lock everyone at home, close pubs, schools and stop you seeing your Granny.

Bricklayer: Fuck you mate, I am not afraid of any of your made up virus shit and you just try and stop me going to the pub, keeping my kids out of school and not letting me go see my mum, you and me are going to meet in a dark alley!

114572 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BobT, 30, #49 of 1211 🔗

Medics and Academics are always amongst the first to fall in line when totalitarianism comes along. Partly because they are quite vulnerable in post if they don’t but more because such regimes are more likely to allow them to pursue their own pet monstrosities.
Two immediately spring to mind.

Mengele for the Nazis
Lysenko for the Communists
How’s that for balance ?

114576 ▶▶▶ BobT, replying to karenovirus, 14, #50 of 1211 🔗

Lysenko is more relevant. He caused the death of millions in Russia and China by starvation caused by his arrogance.
The Nazi guy was just an ordinary psychopath.

114662 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to BobT, 19, #51 of 1211 🔗

‘Just an ordinary psychopath’, not critising just noticing how our language has changed in these days of manipulation and lying by people who should, who are employed by us, to care for and protect us and yet they are willfully not doing their job. We are in big, big, trouble when our country’s leaders send our old people to die, alone, in their care homes.

114678 ▶▶▶▶▶ Alison9, replying to Arnie, 18, #52 of 1211 🔗

It’s the dying alone that has bothered me the most in all this. I’m really troubled by it because I think you’re really on to something – when we lose sight of the sacred importance of death (and birth), we are indeed in big trouble. Well said.

115210 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Arnie, 1, #53 of 1211 🔗

Not much different than what was done in Germany in WWII.

115290 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to karenovirus, 1, #54 of 1211 🔗

Both positions give the holder the position of benevolent dictator over the general public

115583 ▶▶▶ nightspore, replying to karenovirus, 1, #55 of 1211 🔗

Lysenko isn’t a good example; he was never a real academic. In that episode the real academics ended up in the Lubyanka and the Gulag.

114580 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BobT, 53, #56 of 1211 🔗

There are two major trading estates in my city.
One is for ‘working blokes’ in the car trade, light fabrication, warehousing, reclamation, building supplies and suchlike. It has been fully up and running for about 8 weeks now. Those people have a much firmer grip on reality than those in the media would have us believe.

The other consists of offices large and small, it remains almost entirely deserted as does the University district and very little is going on at the hospitals.

114592 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 45, #57 of 1211 🔗

I’ve found that too. I’ve needed some work to be done to my house – electrical and roofing jobs. All the blokes who came round acted entirely normally – no distancing, no swerving and accepted the offer of a cup of tea.

Totally different story with the estate agent – masked-up, gloved up, refused the offer of doing the paperwork at my dining table (preferring to squat down about 10 feet away from me, though when that obviously became uncomfortable, she did venture for a few minutes to use the table!). Refused the offer of a drink as she said she wasn’t “allowed” And then went on to “reassure” me that all viewers would be instructed to wear gloves and masks.

114594 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to kh1485, 9, #58 of 1211 🔗

Hi KH! Been wondering where you’ve been.

114595 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to matt, 23, #59 of 1211 🔗

Done in, Matt – knackered from work (which is good, I suppose as it shows people do actually want ‘normality’. Though one creepy message on our website yesterday queried why we weren’t wearing masks) and only just been reconnected to the internet at home so been out of action for a while. Good to be back …

114598 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to kh1485, 11, #60 of 1211 🔗

Well, good to see you back. Glad business is going well, even if it’s tiring.

114687 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to kh1485, 7, #61 of 1211 🔗

Surely all you have to do is to point them at the government guidance which states quite clearly that staff in shops are exempt from mask wearing. I wonder how many of those potential house viewers will dispense with their masks and gloves once they get inside, probably without even you prompting them.

114707 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to davews, 4, #62 of 1211 🔗

I hope they do. And I hope to god, they don’t ‘sanitise’ my house after any viewings: one agent actually said that this is what they were going to do after I had viewed one property – nice!

115213 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to kh1485, 2, #63 of 1211 🔗

They’re going to spray it with Mr. Clean?

115220 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to richard riewer, 2, #64 of 1211 🔗

Tell you what, it was such a dump, I should have insisted they sanitise it *before* I viewed …

114602 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 4, #65 of 1211 🔗

Someone posted recently about an estate agent like yours, fortunately they had another who behaved normally and they got the business.

114606 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to karenovirus, 7, #66 of 1211 🔗

I’m afraid, it’s cold hard financial self-interest that has made me opt for this one – they are the ones that have the most ‘sold’ boards up!

I am hoping that the guy who does the viewings is a bit more relaxed about the haz-mat get-up (he certainly was when he showed me round a property recently!)

114705 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 9, #67 of 1211 🔗

I am actually saying to my customers now, please don’t wear a face mask when you come round. Every time I say it, I can’t believe I am saying it.

114933 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jane, replying to Two-Six, 3, #68 of 1211 🔗

Great idea! Actually, interviewing estate agents in order to choose one to give your business to (i.e., sell your house) is a good opportunity to do a little “enforcing” yourself. No masks if you want my business.

115215 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jane, 1, #69 of 1211 🔗

Anything you can do I can do better.

114609 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 7, #70 of 1211 🔗

Glad to see you back here kh1485!

114614 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #71 of 1211 🔗

Thanks Bart. How are things in the museum sector? I heard here that our local stately home is doing a roaring trade at the moment so I hope things are picking up …

114618 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 2, #72 of 1211 🔗

We were busy during the last bank holiday (which is good news) but its gone really quiet again with kids going back to school.

114688 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #73 of 1211 🔗

Hampton Court seemed to be doing a roaring trade on Tuesday as I passed, but that obviously was before the schools went back.

114702 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to kh1485, 2, #74 of 1211 🔗


114849 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to kh1485, 4, #75 of 1211 🔗

had a similar experience -2 weeks into the lockdown-carbon monoxide alarm goes off at 1 in the morning. Called out the gas man who arrived an hour later. no mask etc. Turned out the chip shop downstairs hadn’t switched off the gas when they locked up

114941 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #76 of 1211 🔗

Blimey, scary. Yes, such a contrast to the office worker types who deem it too unsafe to return to work.

We have various local council workers who come in and tell us that it is not safe for them to return to the office until March. Yet they deem it safe enough to go out for a coffee together ….

114822 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 3, #77 of 1211 🔗

The reality is these people have to go to work as they can’t work from home.The office workers and government employees have no incentive to go back as furlough/wfh is much preferable to them

115098 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #78 of 1211 🔗

Yes but they all drive into my city to go shopping about 11am together with those to scared to go to work at all.

115125 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to karenovirus, 2, #79 of 1211 🔗

Most working blokes coming here see thru the bollox, we had drain surgery over a number of days , young lads very sceptical.

114604 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to BobT, #80 of 1211 🔗

Steady on the Dr not being a Doctor. I get what you mean – not a practitioner- but the Doctor in the UK is often no proper Dr. A Dr is the highest qualification in your subject which means you’ve submitted independent work.

The title given to people with degrees is by convention. We don’t give architects the same title even though they study for the same time.

115087 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to mhcp, 1, #81 of 1211 🔗

In Quebec and many other universities, you can call yourself a Doctor, with a PhD, after completing just one cycle (4 years) out of 3 (12 years) of a Family Medicine Degree and no one bats an eye. Most people are not aware that a university can confer on you this provisonal title. That impresses the ignorant public and gives you tremendous influence that you don’t deserve.

114608 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to BobT, 13, #82 of 1211 🔗

Great post and highlights the problems with academia and medicine. I’ve always been amazed that there were no economists and mental health experts on Sage and I think this is the reason why the economic and mental health damage caused by the insane policies we have at the moment is on a large (and even growing further) scale at the moment.

I also think that part of the problem is these academics and medics inhabit cloud cuckoo land. I mean, does the likes of Whitty and Ferguson do their own shopping? Do they socialise with friends? Do they go out on day trips with their families? I don’t think so.

114721 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Bart Simpson, #83 of 1211 🔗

And the Chair of this committee was pointing that out at the beginning of June, rather late, you might think: Science and Technology Committee, 5 June :
Philip Duffy, Chief Scientific Adviser, Treasury: ‘As soon as the crisis hit, we could see that a high unemployment
rate would be bad not only for demand and for the economy but for our
fellow citizens.
That was one reason why we pursued that particular policy. Doing a cost-
benefit analysis of that would be a very interesting exercise…
Q792 Chair: I understand that, and it is good to hear that there is that degree
of sensitivity to these questions, but the dilemma is this. If that
perspective is not represented and is not part of discussions in SAGE,
going forward—and I understand that some of the early decisions may
have been more broad-brush; in fact, the evidence we heard in the
previous session indicated that some of the upcoming decisions require
that more forensic approach—either that advice is available within SAGE,
to be combined with different disciplines, or it is provided externally,
perhaps by the Treasury.
But the dilemma is this. If the Government continue to make a virtue of
always following the scientific advice—and this Committee has heard
evidence that there is no material instance in which they have departed
from scientific advice—either all that discussion takes place within SAGE
and a nuanced recommendation comes out of it, or it has to be possible
for the Government, for good reasons, to take the narrower set of
scientific advice and supplement it with these broader questions. But if
they say that they are always going to follow it, or if they have made a
virtue of always following it, you can see the difficulty there. How can we
resolve that?
Philip Duffy: First, I would say that the Treasury has a significant
influence on the set of questions that have gone to SAGE and will go on
going to SAGE. I do not feel we are somehow excluded from asking the
questions or putting particular problems into that process.
Secondly, I would give more credit to Chris Whitty and the health experts
in understanding some of the points that Professor Kay made in your
previous session about deaths of despair and the different ways in which
morbidity operates. That is not news to public health experts; it is well
established. I do not feel that we have a lacuna in our approach to the
But—and you make a very good point—particularly as we think about the
lift of lockdown and the Government’s economic priorities for the
recovery, minimising unemployment and some of those other morbidities,
thinking hard about how one evaluates the value for money of
interventions intended to prevent that outcome probably requires at least
some reference to the public health literature. That is something that we
will take forward’.
We are entitled to wonder where they have got to.

114745 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #84 of 1211 🔗

Please note that Rockefeller has totally taken over (bought) university medical teaching everywhere, discarding all the natural treatments and replacing them with man-made drugs of dubious value. So doctors follow treatments designed by pharmaceutical companies and never have to think about what they are doing and with no need to understand the real nature of the diseases they are “treating”.

115034 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #85 of 1211 🔗

For the past year or two with doctors appointments being harder to get I’ve used to Internet for alternatives to medication.

114935 ▶▶▶ Jane, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #86 of 1211 🔗

“mental health damage caused by the insane policies we have at the moment”

I see that unfortunately in my own family. One of my in-laws was alrealdy a bit of a hypochondriac and control freak (using a phantom illness to control others). The lockdown and ridiculous “rules” are heaven-sent for such a person. She keeps talking about the rules, and why can’t her teenage children just keep to the “rules”? That is, spend all their time with her, or at home, don’t go out on bikes to meet and sleep out on the beach, etc. She wants to totally clamp down on their normal behavior, cannot sit shoulder to s houlder with grandmother, etc.

This situation has quickly revealed just how many people there are out there who relish the opportunity, and implicit go-ahead, to control others by means of enforcing ridiculous rules. And others who will just go along and not even ask questions. I can see whypepole go along, because they want to get into a shop to buy groceries. But to do so without even asking, or feeling, obvious questions is disturbing.

I hope I never see another self-serving comment about Germans in the Third Reich.

115185 ▶▶▶▶ John Ballard, replying to Jane, 3, #87 of 1211 🔗

Agree and have the same with one in my family, now living the dream that everyone elses lives are as miserable as there’s.

115219 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jane, 2, #88 of 1211 🔗

We are witnessing the beginning of The New & Improved Third Reich Blueprint.

115457 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jane, 4, #89 of 1211 🔗

Well said. I know people at work who are hypochrondriacs and one of them was mentioning the possibility of spikes in autumn and winter and a second lockdown. Given I almost came to blows with her, I simply replied “Gee….we won’t have a job to return to then when that happens.”

That exchange is symptomatic of what we’ve always discussed here – people who fall for the government propaganda and MSM hook, line and sinker and those who relish the feeling of control and ability to bully people via the”guidance.” Its reaching the point now where one becomes like Linus from the Snoopy comics – “I love mankind, its people I can’t stand”

114621 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to BobT, 12, #90 of 1211 🔗

I’m beginning to suspect that Pol Pot was on to something when it came to academics.

115655 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nick Rose, #91 of 1211 🔗

Yeah, then he hired his own.

114737 ▶▶ Marie R, replying to BobT, 2, #93 of 1211 🔗

I’m going to email each and every one suggesting that at some time or other they will want to make a run for the door and disassociate themselves from the whole process, as Mark Woolhouse did. As someone on here said of ferguson, their email addresses are often readily available

114914 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to BobT, 3, #94 of 1211 🔗
115204 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #95 of 1211 🔗

A brilliant article.

I am simply drawing your attention to what has simply been – probably the biggest single mistake that has ever been made in the history of the world.

115384 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #96 of 1211 🔗

Agreed, we need Toby or someone of influence to ensure this is widely publicised.
Not sure how myself as he is probably deluged with e mails already.

115292 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #97 of 1211 🔗

reminds me of that story of a Charity refunding a customer £90,000 instead of £9

115654 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #98 of 1211 🔗

I thought that only Black Lives Mattered?

115033 ▶▶ Norbertrand, replying to BobT, 1, #99 of 1211 🔗

All we need now are postcodes …

115236 ▶▶ Hugh W, replying to BobT, 1, #100 of 1211 🔗

I agree wholeheartedly – I wrote this back in May: https://www.hughwillbourn.com/post/cc-no-3-who-will-replace-neil-ferguson

115455 ▶▶ NickR, replying to BobT, 2, #101 of 1211 🔗

Just remember in 1984 it’s the proles who offer hope by just carrying on & ignoring the crap. I think the common man has already seen through this.

114560 John Stone, 25, #102 of 1211 🔗

My letter on Wednesday in BMJ on-line:

Is the government suffering from Munchausen Syndome by Proxy? Re: Covid-19: Less haste, more safety Fiona Godlee. 370:doi 10.1136/bmj.m3258
Dear Editor
Eight days ago I wrote here [1]:
“To limp along like this in the hope that we will all be rescued by a vaccine (supposing we any longer need rescuing) is not realistic, and not the basis on which policy should be directed – quite apart from the harm that it is doing to every other aspect of civil life and of health policy itself.”
I now note the publication of an article by Carl Heneghan and Tom Jefferson in The Spectator questioning whether the present rise in cases is an artefact of PCR testing, as hospitalisations and deaths continue to decline [2]. Bearing this in mind perhaps it is time the British Medical Journal itself began to move the narrative on.
[1] John Stone, ‘ Less haste, more safety, certainly, but we could do with an end to the vaccine rescue narrative as well’, 25 August 2020, https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3258/rr-0
[2] Carl Heneghan & Tom Jefferson, ‘ Coronavirus cases are mounting but deaths remain stable. Why?’, The Spectator, 1 September 2020, https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/coronavirus-cases-are-mounting-but-d
Competing interests: AgeofAutism.com, an on-line daily journal, concerns itself with the potential environmental sources for the proliferation of autism, neurological impairment, immune dysfunction and chronic disease. I receive no payment as UK Editor
02 September 2020
John Stone
UK Editor
London N22

114562 Paul Mendelsohn, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, 39, #103 of 1211 🔗

Judging by the masks in Waitrose and the park today we are close to near total herd conpliabilty.

114613 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, 7, #104 of 1211 🔗

comment of the day

114646 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, 6, #105 of 1211 🔗

I’m just back from a week abroad – mask compliance and general anxiety, definitely up

114666 ▶▶ Fiat, replying to Paul Mendelsohn, 3, #106 of 1211 🔗

I have heard that Southend is a bastion of non-compliance.

114691 ▶▶▶ Locked down and out, replying to Fiat, 3, #107 of 1211 🔗

I hope so. It’s my home town.

114697 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Fiat, 1, #108 of 1211 🔗

Probably in the local lockdown queue then.

114563 richard riewer, 4, #109 of 1211 🔗

Dr. Burgess and Eleanor Riley explained their findings like interested scientists with no hint of taking a political position, unlike most of the compromised experts and politicians that we usually hear from.

114564 Sam, replying to Sam, 70, #110 of 1211 🔗

I am sat having a drink of wine reading the latest and think and feel that we do need to be on the streets demonstrating all over the country and I include all of the UK and I totally dismayed and fed up about what is happening. I don’t want to say depressed because having experience through my work of people suffering from debilitating depression it isn’t what I am feeling. I feel like a bereavement, where you wake up and for a moment all feels well and within a very short time your brain computes that it isn’t and you realise that the world is skewed. How long does this shit have to gone before the masses are on the streets protesting. I have read this from the start of the site and all the comments and many other sites and Twitter feeds but never commented. I do ‘t want attend a rally or be involved in any demonstration that involves David Icke or talks about 5G. I want to demonstrate about the ludicrous lockdown, the continued restrictions of our liberties the face masks and the fact that our lives have been altered for no reason. I limit the number of people I speak to, partly as I’m a miserable bastard but all close family and friends agree with my view to a certain extent. We really do need to mobilise now. If we don’t we will lose civil liberties that we will never recover. I live in West Yorkshire, anyone with any ideas about arranging something here please post here. This was only meant to be a short comment, could go one about the politics
espoused on here and other things, but there needs to be a unitimity about core values. Need to go to bed before I start on the gin !!

114593 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam, 42, #111 of 1211 🔗

I think your bereavement analogy is spot on. We have definitely lost something precious but most people do not believe that to be the case. They believe that “staying safe” warrants the destruction of the entire economy and stripping people of their humanity. They deserve the world we’re getting but we don’t.

I don’t live in West Yorks (used to), but am now in NW Essex. I am meeting with some fellow sceptics on Saturday (they have produced leaflets which I now display in my shop) and we will be having a chat about what we can do. I think this will be the key – local dissent.

114599 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to kh1485, 29, #112 of 1211 🔗

There are people who know this is all nonsense but don’t want to admit it, even to themselves, because the implication is that we are in deep trouble. If they admitted it, they would have to face the fact that they are living in a dystopian nightmare, and that would damage their mental wellbeing. It’s self-preservation. They are tough nuts to crack – I don’t know how to deal with them. It seems cruel to try and drag them into the horrible reality, but they make me cross with their complacency – in some ways I would rather deal with the extremist lockdown believers who will actually try and argue their case. I sometimes feel like we need to run some surveys designed to tease out subsets of people we need to convert and have a Behavioural Insights team design a series of information campaigns targeted at the different groups. That sounds manipulative, but then people have been manipulated and are being very slow to come out of it.

114616 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Sam, 5, #113 of 1211 🔗

Wankers like David Icke are there to discredit the protest. He’s a government stooge and if you think otherwise you’re a dumb motherfucker. I despise all these fuckers saying ice’s been right all along. He’s a total charlatan

114648 ▶▶▶ Graham, replying to Biker, 7, #114 of 1211 🔗

He’s certainly a fool and a charlatan but why do you think he is a government stooge? I’m genuinely puzzled.

114686 ▶▶▶▶ Alison9, replying to Graham, #115 of 1211 🔗

He always seems to know a bit too much, maybe.

114780 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Alison9, 2, #116 of 1211 🔗

he says nothing, i’ve not heard an original idea from his poor poor mind. It’s laughable that people believe it. We’ve folk here who support him, they’re either deluded or shills, a bit of both probably. I feel sorry for the believers and i despise the shills.

114823 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Alison9, 1, #117 of 1211 🔗

He was permitted his YouTube platform for many years before being cancelled immediately prior to lockdown, coincidence?

115096 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 3, #118 of 1211 🔗

I say come one come all. Some of you are expressing the same intolerant views that the government and others are imposing on us. You are canceling people that you don’t agree with. Don’t complain about being cancelled then turn around and cancel someone that you disagree with. Not good for the cause.

115104 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to richard riewer, 1, #119 of 1211 🔗

Sorry Richard, was that addressed to me? I didn’t cancel anyone, nor did I express intolerance.

Still off down the pub for me, bye till Saturday am.

114777 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Graham, 3, #120 of 1211 🔗

because he pops up with some theory alongside things have a genuine reason to be concerned and discredits it, plus he worked for the BBC, still does as far as i’m concerned

115013 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to Graham, 5, #121 of 1211 🔗

I think Icke is what most people would call a useful idiot: I prefer the phrase “unwitting agent of influence”. He’s doing the State’s dirty work without actually realising he’s doing it- much like Roger Windsor in the Miners’ Strike. In Icke’s case he’s allowing the State to discredit genuine Covid sceptics and civil-rights protestors by associating them in the public mind with someone who actually is a wacko fruitloop conspiracy-nutter.

114698 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Sam, 4, #122 of 1211 🔗

There are some legitimate concerns about 5G, but they are being deliberately overshadowed and misrepresented by the whackos ‘it spreads the virus’ ones as soon as you mention them.
The governments are legitimately concerned about espionage, some are legitimately concerned about the masts being a similar health threat as high-voltage lines (harmless as per governments, but significantly more cases of leukemia in children in reality, if you live close to one), some, like RKjr, are very legitimately
concerned about them enabling the surveillance/social credit/digital health passport state, for example.
The latter issue has become a bit more mainstream, there even was a documentary about the need to sort out such ethical issues of 5G in the German ‘BBC’ (Scobel) yesterday.
But in general, I agree, it should not be in anyones Top5 list of concerns, yet.

114747 ▶▶ BWooster, replying to Sam, 1, #123 of 1211 🔗

Hello Sam,

I’m in west yorkshire too. If you fancy a trip to the pub, let me know

115092 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to BWooster, 1, #124 of 1211 🔗

Willl Jeeves be there too?

114839 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Sam, 4, #125 of 1211 🔗

Hi Sam I feel the same we need demo’s with sane people on the stage talking or we will just be wrote off .So i guess we have to decide what to do in the future regarding future protests ,my take on it is this If things don’t change and we don’t get sensible people leading the protests i think we should still attend but maybe have a sceptics block . By this i mean those of us on here who are not into the conspiracy stuff should meet and march together ,if we want to bring banners and leaflets keep them distanced from the conspiracy stuff. This i feel will have to be done carefully because we have many people on here with different views and we do not want to alienate anyone .As long as we can keep everyone united against the lockdown i don’t see a problem with this .Anyone who’s attended demonstrations before will know there are always different blocks with different ideas but at that moment coming together for the same goal .

115422 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to wat tyler, 1, #126 of 1211 🔗

Good sentiment. We need to make common cause with anyone who detests the current situation and wants to do something about – like Churchill on Russia joining the fight WW2: “If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil …”

115038 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Sam, 4, #127 of 1211 🔗

Yes you are right, it does feel like a bereavement, that’s exactly what my life feels like.

115354 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Sam, #128 of 1211 🔗
114571 RyanM, replying to RyanM, 3, #129 of 1211 🔗

…closer than thought?

Well, except us!

114583 ▶▶ RyanM, replying to RyanM, 1, #130 of 1211 🔗

(meaning, we have thought so for a long time)

114597 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to RyanM, 24, #131 of 1211 🔗

It is undeniable – and on record – that we were suggesting this (and modelling it!) back in April. Yes, we ‘conspiracy theorists’, ‘tinfoil hat brigade’, ‘gammons’, etc. etc. were months ahead of the real, actual scientists.

How could this possibly be true? Answer: you don’t need to be a professional scientist to put clues together and think of plausible explanations. In this case we had the Diamond Princess and other enclosed populations that were topping out at about 15% antibodies, and we could listen to, and read, the research of real immunologists as opposed to ‘epidemiologists’ like Ferguson.

Even an outsider could deduce that immunity is dynamically variable. It isn’t just a case of starting with heterogenous-but-fixed susceptibility (as modelled by Gomes et al.), but being open to the idea that people acquire variable levels of immunity as they are exposed to slight whiffs of a virus. A stronger dose of the virus may result in a different response from the body, maybe resulting in detectable antibodies, but there are several immune mechanisms in there, and they’ll respond differently in different circumstances.

This factor was completely absent from Ferguson’s supposedly state-of-the-art model. And clearly makes a mockery of any model that assumes a fixed R0 and attempts to calculate a herd immunity threshold from it. Further compounded by the error of assuming that immunity is only signified by detectable antibodies. The whole thing is a catalogue of errors and faulty assumptions.

It seems unbelievable that our governments have destroyed civilisation on the basis of something that we on Lockdown Sceptics knew (and said) was wrong in April!

114619 ▶▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Barney McGrew, 25, #132 of 1211 🔗

And Cheltenham, Anfield, packed tubes, crowded pubs and offices, all at the ‘height of the spread’. With zero masks, social distancing or any other guff. Since then, illegal raves, BLM, Bournemouth beach etc. None showed a jot of evidence for the ‘we’re all susceptible, it transmits via touching surfaces, breathing in normally and amongst healthy people’ narrative that underpins all the nonsense of lockdown and the rest of the mystical thinking. This I worked out quite early based on this clear disconnect between narrative and reality.

114771 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #133 of 1211 🔗

Perhaps those you refer to as ‘real actual scientists’ are nothing of the sort. Academics for hire, political extremists, terrorists, etc there are many more suitable labels but they are about as far from being scientists as it is possible to get.

115366 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Saved To Death, #134 of 1211 🔗

WHO 4.3 Billion
Imperial College 280 Million ( Ferguson)
Oxford University 243 Million
Pro Chris Wittey 40 Million
BBC Media Action 53 Million
CDC 155 Million
GAVI 3 Billion
Johns Hopkins 870 Million
NIH (Fauci) 18 Million

114891 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #135 of 1211 🔗

the downgrade of Covid from a high consequence infectious disease 19th March on the gov.uk was the start point. Everything we have posted here since then corroborates this position. All that was needed was cost/benefit analysis

114983 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #136 of 1211 🔗

Commons S & Tech Committee, 5 June, taking evidence on Cost benefit analysis:
Question to Prof Propper, Prof of Economics, Imperial College:
‘… traditional measures, such as quality-adjusted life years, are they
appropriate in this context? We have talked about excess deaths and the
issue about the timeframe in which you look at it. Do you think quality-:adjusted life years is the right metric to be looking at?
Professor Propper: For those, it is basically about how soon you die.
There are more societal trade-offs. Those are very useful for thinking about whether you should introduce a particular drug now. NICE uses them very nicely. I do not think they are designed for pandemics, where you are making all kinds of trade-offs between different groups. That has
political and social aspects. People want to value some people more than others; people want to value their elders dying in dignity with people around them. This has almost too many tentacles to put them all in boxes. You can think about the trade-offs. Reducing them all to QALYs would be nice in theory but impossible in practice, and it requires political decisions that QALYs are not designed to make.
Q784 Aaron Bell: May I briefly ask the other two witnesses a little about the
overall role that economics has played in guiding the rationing of resources? Do you think there are points where the judgments economics would make differ from medical judgments, or is it along the lines of what Professor Propper has just said: we will start with the medical emergency and take the economic judgments later?
Professor Kay: The economics and the epidemiology have to be linked
together. People have talked in this crisis and in some others about, as it were, the science and being guided by scientific advice. I do not think scientists, any more than economists, can give advice in that sense. What we with expertise in particular fields ought to be able to do is frame some of the issues in ways that enable policy makers to make the very hard choices that have been described in the course of this session.
Professor Poterba (US Prof of Economics, MIT): In general, epidemiology or health and economic advice will point in the same direction, but one of the things economics is often better at doing is getting a full menu of choices and opportunities to consider. For example, in the United States, as we were trying to allocate ventilators, there were regional differences in their utilisation… ( because they don’t have an NHS)… the marginal value of a ventilator is not the same in every hospital in every place. It can have an enormously powerful impact
in saving lives in that situation.
I think this is a situation where the economics are absolutely essential to
inform the policy design. In many cases it comes from the fact that the
social scientists and economists have a somewhat different perspective on these issues…they can spot things that might not be in the radar… for medical doctors or public health service workers’.
Government have all this and more available. Not listening

114938 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Barney McGrew, #137 of 1211 🔗

I would say March. But otherwise, correct.

115163 ▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Sophie123, #138 of 1211 🔗

I agree, but this site only started in April…

114573 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 3, #139 of 1211 🔗

From the roundup.
Tim Harford was on the Jeremy Vine show yesterday in full retreat mode to presenter Vanessa Phelps.
He told her that the Mirror had picked on the one thing he’d said that was a mistake (the taking a bath) and misrepresented what he meant.

She let him get away with saying “50-60,000 have died from this terrible disease, I’m an economist and it killed the man who made that possible . . .”

Vanessa asked herself what she should do if she was in a room with someone showing signs of the virus (ed wtf ?)
“Run out of the room clutching my hair and screaming…”

114585 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to karenovirus, 2, #140 of 1211 🔗

You know, as soon as I saw that bit of the round-up, I thought it sounded a bit too radical for a fully paid-up Radio 4 presenter like Harford. I’ll bet he’s been having nightmares about it, imagining all the nice people in Radio 4-land associating him with conspiracy theorists and the far right, etc.

114574 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #141 of 1211 🔗

Why Are Covid-19 Cases Soaring In NZ? PCR Test Update

Dr. Sam Bailey
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Dr Sam talks about what is happening in NZ in regards to COVID-19 and important information you should know about the COVID-19 PCR Test

114674 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #142 of 1211 🔗

Thank you for that, and will share. A voice of sense and knowledge in the current sea of hysteria and ignorance.

114578 The Dark Lord, replying to The Dark Lord, 54, #143 of 1211 🔗

one small example of the damage this insanity has done and is doing … I’m an American and my fiance is French … she is in Paris I am in Pennsylvania in the US. We have maintained a long range relationship for the last 4 years by meeting on average for a week or 2 once every 6-8 weeks … (I work remotely from anywhere in the world so lets just say I’ve traveled alot over the last 4 years). We have not seen each other in person in almost 7 months.
We had just begun our US K1 visa process at the end of Jan and actually have gotten the application all the way up to the final step, the Embassy interview, but of course those are on hold until the travel bans are lifted.
As the US does not grant exemptions to the travel ban we have appealed to France and it seemed like the French government had created a process to allow couples in long term relationships to gain a “hall pass” to visit France to see your loved one.
I say seemed because so far it appears the “process” was designed to look like something was being done but in fact out of the hundreds of couples who have applied only a handful (less than a dozen) have received permission to visit France. It appears most applications are being slow walked or outright rejected.

This is nothing short of insanity with the most incompetent collection of idiots advising the governments. I don’t blame the politicos for their initial reactions based on the horribly faulty advice they where being given. At this point the bad advice is either malice or simply stubborn fools unwilling to admit mistakes.

But make no mistake … EVERY single death due to lockdown is an intentional homicide. They could just as easily have lined healthy people up against a wall and shot them and been just as effective at stopping the virus but then at least everyone could see the murders for what they are. We have basically been throwing virgins into volcanoes to make the virus stop.

114582 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to The Dark Lord, 15, #144 of 1211 🔗

Mr Hancock seems to think we have not thrown enough virgins into the volcano because the Covid God is still angry despite everyone wearing face masks to praise and adore him.*
Any volunteers?

* Covid God/Hancock, who knows ?

114610 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 9, #145 of 1211 🔗

Maybe the lockdownistas and mask lovers should volunteer to sacrifice themselves for the “greater good” and “safety” that they keep on bleating on about.

114630 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #146 of 1211 🔗

Hancock would be a good place to start. Knowing our luck, the volcano would spit the bastard back out again.

114639 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #147 of 1211 🔗

Hahahaha…..he would be so bad that even the volcano would reject him!

Surely there would be a volcano that would accept him – Etna, Vesuvius, Mt St Helens, Mayon….I can go on.

114996 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #148 of 1211 🔗

Mount Doom is the only place that kind of evil can be destroyed!

114701 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #149 of 1211 🔗

They’d be more likely to insist that maskfree people be thrown in instead.

114853 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to karenovirus, 2, #150 of 1211 🔗

The trouble with sacrificing to the Gods is that none of them actually exist and therefore will never respond however many sacrifices you make – ask an Aztec, oh but you can’t can you.

NB Other beliefs systems are available so don’t bother writing in if you subscribe to one of these.

115656 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, #151 of 1211 🔗

Maybe the volcano would prefer a Hancock instead?

114632 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to The Dark Lord, 5, #152 of 1211 🔗

Would rather line the politicians and their advisers up against that wall, Dark Lord! We’re going to need a very long wall as it is.

114637 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #153 of 1211 🔗

The shooting can be done in batches if the wall isn’t long enough.

115657 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nick Rose, #154 of 1211 🔗

The Great Wall of China would fit the bill.

114579 richard riewer, 4, #155 of 1211 🔗

Beware of mirages:
Hawkfish, a data and analytics firm funded by former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, has warned that Trump could win a phantom victory on election night because of the time it takes to tabulate votes sent by mail.

114581 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 7, #156 of 1211 🔗

An ‘entertainer’ on the radio yesterday telling us of his Covid themed Christmas Act, it includes appearances by

Sanitizerclause and Father Christmask.

I’ll spare you the rest.

114633 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to karenovirus, 2, #157 of 1211 🔗

Sounds like one of those acts where I’d rather spend my time pulling my teeth out with pincers.

114717 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 2, #158 of 1211 🔗

I was cycling through the park last night, ahead a young lady with her young kids, I was thinking, ah great no face nappies, ooh they look happy, yer the kids look happy, humm perhaps things aren’t quite as bad as I think they are…

Then as one of the young boys came up to mummy from playing on the swings or something, mummy demands the boy holds his hands out then squeezes about half a bottle of freekin sanitizer on the lads hands, he was totally saturated with it, it was dripping of his little hands in huge blobs.

Yep thing are worse than I thought.

114916 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Two-Six, 1, #159 of 1211 🔗

Mummy probably thinks the sun warms up the Covid stains on the metal and plastic swing to make it want to get her kids even more.

115659 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #160 of 1211 🔗

Evil Covid. Like a cyclone.

115658 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #161 of 1211 🔗

Too many to list?

114584 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #162 of 1211 🔗

Latest From Fascist Melbourne

Melbourne police break down a door over a Facebook post protesting government tyranny.

114635 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #163 of 1211 🔗

Insane. Just watched that.

114921 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #164 of 1211 🔗

Bet they don’t do that in the vibrant areas of town!

114952 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Nessimmersion, #165 of 1211 🔗

I must remember that adjective … “vibrant”

115019 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to mjr, #166 of 1211 🔗

It covers the same demographic as “man of no appearance”

114588 David Mc, replying to David Mc, 15, #167 of 1211 🔗

I wrote a blog post which might be of interest – first of a series on Covid-19 and Fragility: https://medium.com/@civitasperegrina/of-antifragility-and-covid-19-part-i-f266a7dd609b

114591 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to David Mc, 1, #168 of 1211 🔗

Good article! It’s always been obvious to me that this was the way forward. I still don’t get why other people don’t get it.

114655 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to David Mc, 5, #169 of 1211 🔗

Great article. And absolutely right about Taleb – it’s amazing how ‘fragile’ some people’s intellects are. People whom you would expect to have a consistent world view based on philosophical insights which you, yourself, in part learned from them , end up losing it completely and showing themselves to be as hysterical as everyone else. Taleb, Liddle, Phillips…

114726 ▶▶ Edna, replying to David Mc, 2, #170 of 1211 🔗

Excellent article!

114589 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 3, #171 of 1211 🔗

Does anyone know if there’s a protest in Glasgow on 5th September?

I’m sure I’d read somewhere that there is, but I can’t find any mention via a Google or DuckDuckGo search.

114615 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mark H, 2, #172 of 1211 🔗

Edinburgh tomorrow and Glasgow Sunday. Might want to check the piers Corbyn site

115131 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mark H, #173 of 1211 🔗

Contact people in Glasgow. Community groups, whatever.

114596 Will, replying to Will, 7, #174 of 1211 🔗

100 million covers on Richi and still no spike in cases….. doubtless that will be put down to the masks through which people are eating…

114722 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Will, 3, #175 of 1211 🔗

You still can’t catch the Rona in pubs or restaurants, take-aways are a different story.

114603 PD, replying to PD, 3, #176 of 1211 🔗

Kim-Jong Dan Versus Nic Sturge-on.
Cnut versus Canute!

115437 ▶▶ annie, replying to PD, 1, #177 of 1211 🔗

Both (c)(a)nut(e)cases?

114607 karenovirus, 5, #178 of 1211 🔗

I posted yesterday about Londoners being pointed to the Brecon Beacons for Covid testing. I assumed this to be a local glitch but I’ve come across 2 locals who have been told to go to Newport, Gwent about 150 miles away.
One is a care worker who is now unable to work as she needs to test weekly. Go to Newport for a 30 second test that should have arrived in the post.
My informant is her colleague and she is HOARDING her own supplies of testing kit.

114611 Biker, 19, #179 of 1211 🔗

seen this video of the scum pigs in Australia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZHuuSmjws8
what an absolute bunch of scum. Coming to a house near you. Maybe me. Is it a crime to suggest a protest? i’m not dong the because if there is a virus going round i’m ready to die any fucking minute and i hope the cunts that are oppressing us catch it and die horribly. I am fucking sick up to my back fucking teeth of this whole shit. I pray to Jesus that he takes these people in charge and sends them to hell and i don’t even believe in jesus.

114623 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 25, #180 of 1211 🔗

I do quite a bit of voluntary work with Devon Wildlife Trust and being outdoors work this is thankfully all getting going again but of course with Covid rules. Their rules talk about 2m social distance, when I queried this saying that I thought Boris had reduced this to 1m, they replied that it was not down to them, their Health & Safety person had had a meeting with their insurers who insisted that they say 2m or they would not be insured. Clearly a wildlife trust cannot run the risk of being uninsured and so this is all being dictated by the insurance industry.
Mind you as volunteers we are responsible for our own travel and so we can and do share lifts with each other but then when we start work we must keep 2m apart!

Similarly, the other day I went swimming at Chagford outdoor pool, lovely setting on Dartmoor and I was reprimanded for swimming backstroke! The lady seemed rather sheepish and apologetic for telling me this but the rules have come down from Swim England and have to be obeyed or they will not be insured. So I just swam on my front and smiled thinking about how cunning this virus is that despite the clear bracing air on Dartmoor it is actually full of virus about to rain down on unsuspecting backstroke swimmers!

But my point is that Insurance is playing an insidious role in cranking up and perpetuating these daft Covid rules.

114625 ▶▶ David Mc, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #181 of 1211 🔗

Yeah, the insurance industry’s role in all of this is something that needs serious digging. The government’s guidance, although daft, is often much less strict than what is appearing in our ‘lived reality’ and insurance plays a huge part in that.

114626 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to David Mc, 19, #182 of 1211 🔗

Indeed, but it was the government that opened Pandora’s Box in the first place. If you have 2m, even briefly, it will immediately become the Gold Standard for safety. Those idiots didn’t think through any of the consequences of this. Or maybe they did and just DGAF.

114682 ▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Julian, 6, #183 of 1211 🔗

The fact the 2 metre rule was just an arbitrary figure in the first place.

114928 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nsklent, 4, #184 of 1211 🔗

2 metres never had the force of law, it was only ever a guideline.

114631 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #185 of 1211 🔗

Sounds like the WT think they are doing you a favour and not the other way round

Easy answer, tell them to stick their health and safety, and their insurance where the sun don’t shine and that you won’t be coming back

114641 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Steve Martindale, 10, #186 of 1211 🔗

Thanks for the report, it brings back good memories of Dartmoor.

On the 2m is insured deal I have a few questions. Is the 2m guidance or law? What is the risk being insured against? An individuals collection of a virus at a given point cannot be proved. So this leads me to think its an insurance against loss to the host company through closure or reputation. But how is an insurer going to prove the Chagford swim champ did not distance? From the insurers point of view this is full of holes. Not all at to suggest every else hasn’t spotted that already!

Banning back stroke – clearly you have to ban something to make it feel different and oppressive. We’ve been told (krankie gob) that if it feels normal something is awry and covids are about to pounce.

114689 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Basics, 7, #187 of 1211 🔗

Trouble is rationality does not always translate in insurance. When I returned to the UK after many years in the Middle East, I had difficulty in getting car insurance because they insisted that having driven for so long one the other side of the road I was a risk. The fact, in travelling to different countries I was used to flipping back and forth, and 20 years no claims, was irrelevant- if it didn’t tick their box or model, computer says no.

114930 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, #188 of 1211 🔗

Guidance only, but then so is the Highway Code.

114724 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #189 of 1211 🔗

How can anybody possibly prove that they caught the Rona from any particular facility or establishment for the purpose of an insurance claim against the owners or managers of that entity?

The whole concept is INSANE.

114750 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #190 of 1211 🔗

SM, this is completely bonkers. You’re all outdoors. As a volunteer, tell them you’re concerned about your own H&S and want to see the DWT’s H&S assessment (was it done in house? Or by an independent H&S consultant, some of latter were totally OTT in the beginning but have got more sensible as time has gone on). If they’re still relying on an early scary assessment, before govt guidelines for playgrounds etc were relaxed, tell them they need to reassess. Others may know better, but I don’t think insurers can quibble where an entity’s H&S assessment says something is not a severe risk and sensible mitigations are in place.

114764 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #191 of 1211 🔗

Exactly. I have received nothing from my insurers about additional precautions to ensure that we are still covered.

114820 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #192 of 1211 🔗

Even with measures in place the insurance won’t cover it. There was an article in Law or Fiction about this a while back. They don’t cover non-threatening ailments, non-threatenig in that you don’t develop an injury or have severe symptoms.

Plus they will not cover you if someone gets ill because of measures you have taken.

114924 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #193 of 1211 🔗

The County Council must use different insurers, they announced no social distancing required on school buses.

114624 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 8, #194 of 1211 🔗

Latests news from Melbourne is the grim reaper’s toll of ” aged care facilities” last night was nearly 60 including a lady in her 100 s . Many of these were from weeks ago but desperate Dan the Fuehrer of Melbourne has a tendency to hide figures . Victoria is going to rival Peru for ferocity of lockdown and high fatalities …. might there be a link ? He is now extending his lockdown with curfews for another month. Oh and for St Jacinda fans bad news with the first covid19 fatality in NZ since March.


114661 ▶▶ Sally, replying to Peter Thompson, 7, #195 of 1211 🔗

Not sure Kim Jong-Dan is actually trying to hide the death figures now. On the contrary, I think they’re happy to pad them out in order to justify their appalling confinement of the population. The Victorian Chief Health Officer straight out said the other day that if deaths are above the normal level in a nursing home and SARS-CoV-2 is known to be present then it’s reasonable to attribute any deaths to it. Is that loose or is it loose?

114679 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Sally, 1, #196 of 1211 🔗

I got the feeling he’d been saving them for a rainy day when he wanted to try to ramp up fear.

115149 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Sally, #197 of 1211 🔗

So loose an elephant wouldn’t even touch the sides.

115663 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sally, #198 of 1211 🔗

Who is this Victorian Chief Health Officer and what are his/her priors?

114758 ▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Peter Thompson, 7, #199 of 1211 🔗

Hi, I think someone else ages ago pointed out that although Sweden is considered a control group with regards to it’s Covid-19 strategy, you could make similar remarks about New Zealand.

They shut their borders late January and Arden embarked on an extreme lockdown strategy to eliminate Covid-19, not suppress nor mitigate its effects.

And surprise, surprise … The Virus has found a way after months !

Reminds me of the following:


“An outbreak of common colds at an Antarctic base after seventeen weeks of complete isolation.”
Viruses will find away, if that’s its intent! You can’t defy nature forever – even if the consequences are unfortunately grim and nasty for a few.

Sorry Arden, but I have absolutely NO regard, nor sympathy, nor respect for your dictatorship-laden approach!

114627 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 51, #200 of 1211 🔗

A so called Health Minister makes stupid decisions which causes the death of countless thousands in Care Camps

Then he locks up everyone in the land without trial

He then introduces a ‘law’ banning people from peacefully gathering to demonstrate their opposition to what he has done, and continues to do

This ‘law’ is a diktat invented by the said Minister and not even mentioned in parliament

Six hundred elected representatives and the leader have a meeting. Not one person even mentions the new ‘law’, let alone dissents

It is said the country has a ‘free press’, but not one member of the ‘free press’ questions or raises a word of dissent. The ‘free press’ engage in a campaign of ridiculing anyone who dares to demonstrate

It is said the country has ‘the rule of law’ but no lawyer challenges the new diktat in the courts and the courts will do what the politicians tell them anyway

I’m told that psychiatrists often get their patients to write down their thoughts and feelings as a form of therapy. When the patient reads back over what they have written it sometimes gives them a new perspective on things that may disturb them

I have to admit that it didn’t work on this occasion

114643 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Cecil B, 10, #201 of 1211 🔗

I find the fact that all of these establishments are complying, really difficult to understand, they have the facts of the numbers of hospital admissions which are so low so as to be irrelevant in the pandemic mode, yet, still no backlash against the removal and disruption of freedoms.

114947 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Dan Clarke, #202 of 1211 🔗

Have they got some sort of immunity from prosecution so long as the declared Crisis remains in place. That would incentivise them to
Carry On Regardless.

115426 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #203 of 1211 🔗

Carry On Witless.

114817 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Cecil B, 9, #204 of 1211 🔗

Fundamentally how can any of these politicians, human rights groups, in fact anyone who has supported with this nonsense (beyond trying to avoid it and make do)…how can they even talk about democracy and freedom anymore.

The politicians have just voided their jobs, sadly all of them. Human rights groups, what a fucking joke.

The most basic freedoms were taken away – we do not live in democracies – we live under a light form of martial law. Or Emergency Powers.

In the history of my country (the island of Ireland that is) oppression eventually led to revolution. Yet it was only the treatment of the revolutionaries that swayed public opinion. The daily executions publicised in the press turned the tide. The actual rebels were generally thought of as a bunch of dangerous idiots by the majority. Even with all that was going on in Ireland at the time.

114943 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 5, #205 of 1211 🔗

The Public Health laws, from which Coronovirus legislation derives, was intended for use ‘against’ infected persons or people (eg Typhoid Mary NYC 1900) not against the entire Country or regions thereof.
This might be a starting point for prosecuting those responsible for the crimes that we witness daily.

115156 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to karenovirus, 1, #206 of 1211 🔗

Excellent point!

115427 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #207 of 1211 🔗

We need to find allies with deep pockets. Quick!

115199 ▶▶ John Ballard, replying to Cecil B, 3, #208 of 1211 🔗

Spot on, would love to think this would be over soon, but cannot see it. The politicians showed how weak and useless they were during brexit. Now during this they are even worse. Terribly weak, unwilling to challenge, the opposition as deranged as those in power. Even when we have an election who could you vote for? Nobody. At least with brexit there was debate and a decision to be made, with this 600, I couldn’t stomach voting for any of them. Unless the Government of Sweden head to the UK…..I’m done with it. Snowflake pandemic.

115855 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Cecil B, #209 of 1211 🔗

Which country are you describing. With all the various dictators around the world, it’s difficult to tell….

114628 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #210 of 1211 🔗

‘… the virus has exposed the governments of most western democracies to be dysfunctional and sclerotic. They were caught off guard…..’

‘If the Chinese Communist party had manufactured Sars-CoV-2 in the Wuhan Institute of Virology to test the resilience of our system of government, they’d be starting up the tanks about now…’

Hands up anyone who can spot what might be dysfunctional and sclerotic about this?:

Military chiefs have drawn up plans to mothball all of Britain’s tanks under radical proposals to modernise the armed forces….’

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/defence-chiefs-face-battleover-plan-to-scrap-tanks-ws87tdgbg#:~:text=Radical%20move%20aims%20to%20cut%20costs%20and%20focus%20on%20cyberwarfare&text=Military%20chiefs%20have%20drawn%20up,heavy%20armour%2C%20The%20Times%20understands .

114642 ▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Tim Bidie, 27, #211 of 1211 🔗

Kinda getting fed up with these crackpot comments on LS.

Starting to make me think about going somewhere else for my Sceptic news.

It’s not about Bill Gates.

It’s not about 5g

It’s not about China starting a world war.

It’s not about pumping us with a vaccine (which most crackpots fail to answer ‘why?’)

Its about incompetence.


Bad politicians who don’t understand the real world.

Fear porn hungry media and the rise in the health and safety culture and risk averse fools we’ve all become.

Anyway if you think the same, follow my podcast 👉 https://bedwetters.buzzsprout.com/

114650 ▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 9, #212 of 1211 🔗

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you

Unfashionable as it is Kipling tells a great truth in this couplet, as did Frank Herbert:

Fear is the mind killer

There are cover ups, nearly all are covering up incompetence.

Panic has been far more infectious and damaging than CV-19.

Fear, and panic in the air
I want to be free
From desolation and despair
And I feel like everything I saw
Is being swept away


114657 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 25, #213 of 1211 🔗

I mostly agree with you. I am 80-90% confident this is all incompetence and psychopathy. However, there is a small but very serious chance that this is much more sinister, and my assessment of the chances of that is increasing all the time.

If there is a sinister scheme it may have been a grand design. It may have been born by evolution of the madness of our psychopath leaders. Or it could be opportunistic attack by the mega-rich. Of the three of those, exploitation by the mega-rich seems most feasible and is still directly caused by the global pandemic of incompetence.

So we should focus on the incompetence but keep in mind the sinister possibilities. Best to keep an open mind and change it as the evidence suggests (lest we fall into the trap our incompetent leaders did).

114659 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 11, #214 of 1211 🔗

I agree, Lord R. However I do think that some actors on the world stage would not miss the opportunity to milk that incompetence for their own ends.

114681 ▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Charlie Blue, 7, #215 of 1211 🔗

And at a more local level: multiple crazy traffic schemes, the long opposed downgrading of a local A&E department, controversial planning applications nodded through etc etc.

115062 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Strange Days, 2, #216 of 1211 🔗

At the start of lockdown road repair gangs made their sites safe and abandoned them.
When they came back 3-4 weeks later they set to work implememting various road closures, new cycles or buses only schemes all in the name of Social Distancing with shiny new signs that said so.
In fact all of these schemes have been on the books for years under ‘Greening The City’; unable to previously get these on the budget they were sneaked in during the harshest stage of lockdown.

Meanwhile the roundabout linking the city to the motorway remained stripped of tarmac and with raised ironworks so horrible buses swerved to avoid them.

This will have been done on the say so of paid officials rather than elected representatives, a local Coup d’Etat in effect.

115044 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Charlie Blue, #217 of 1211 🔗


114693 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 26, #218 of 1211 🔗

Well, I think there’s room for different views as to motivation. I have never been much for conspiracy theories, but a few things seem quite plausible to me:
1) Initial government incompetence and cowardice has been followed by a deliberate attempt to cover it up by keeping the illusion going. I simply don’t believe that the PM and others think we face an unprecedented threat any more. The same goes for “scientific” advisors, and the media.
2) The Chinese have taken advantage of this situation. They always say they don’t interfere in other countries’ internal affairs, but have been vocal in calling for lockdowns. Why?
3) People like Bill Gates and the WHO and others have milked this for their own ends.

Anyway, as a matter of tactics, in order to appeal to as many people as possible I feel it best to leave the subject of motivation well alone, and focus on the problem and the remedy – there has been a damaging overreaction which needs to stop. We need to move forward. Afterwards, we can try to ascertain guilt of various parties.

Obviously up to you where you get your news, but tend to think we should all agree to differ but try to agree on core issues and best tactics.

115434 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, 3, #219 of 1211 🔗

They (the Chinese) always say they don’t interfere in other countries’ internal affairs…

but that’s horse shit, they are taking over Africa, South America. They are everywhere. They also tell us not to interfere with their internal affairs, but I think it is imperative that all countries push back on their nefarious schemes before they finish setting up the world’s biggest concentration camp.

115444 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, #220 of 1211 🔗

I wonder how many air miles the Gates Foundation has racked up this year?

114700 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 12, #221 of 1211 🔗

I would love to think it is all about incompetence, and mostly I do, but then there are actions that question that assumption, or suggest that initially it was incompetence, but has now been seen as an opportunity to install political powers and edicts they knew would be challenged in ‘normal ‘ times, as Shapps said when he commented that it was an opportunity to make lasting changes.

However, continuing this farce challenges the excuse of incompetence, as there is plenty of scientific and medical evidence to show that there is no justification to continue the exaggerated response to this virus. Why would Hancock pass his diktat last Friday allowing the most basic law enforcement person to impose 10k fines on political demonstrations, to basically shut down opposition to government policies. Vaccines, why push for an untrialled vaccine, and change current laws to allow for this, knowing the fall out from the hurried swine flu vaccine. Hancock only the other day, was still making the vaccine as the only way out. I could go on … but just incompetence, I feel is too simplistic, though
I wish it was just that. Have a look at Blair’s Institute for Global Change and what he is lobbying government for with regards tests and health passports for access to any public place.

115478 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nsklent, #222 of 1211 🔗

Ask The General Why?

114720 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 3, #223 of 1211 🔗

“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity”

114763 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 9, #224 of 1211 🔗

Very naive.Who knows if it was a conspiracy at the beginning,it doesn’t matter.It definitely is it now.That fact is not even up for question.There are numerous people/organisation who are actively using this crisis to further their agendas and are on record as saying so.

115167 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #225 of 1211 🔗

Those aren’t conspiracies but manifestos. Conspiracies are secret, manifestos open.

115445 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nick Rose, #226 of 1211 🔗

Secret or open, the game is on. Fight it or lose all your freedoms.

114855 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 3, #227 of 1211 🔗

You seem to be very sure of your conclusions.

Its not about 5G? I would agree 5G almost certainly does not spread the virus or cause the illness known as covid19 – yet it is continuously being pushed and intertwined with every discussion that touches on other areas – it is clearly part of the effort to ‘contain and isolate’ all unwanted ideas and discussion. You take part in this by listing the absurd 5G theory alongside more credible theories.

I am glad its not about pumping us full of vaccine so I guess I can rest assured that the government is not going to make its experimental vaccine mandatory in any way for me or my family or at least if they do I can take heart that its just a big mistake and no harm is intended.

115137 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, #228 of 1211 🔗

One Hopes? Not the Yellow Peril.. damn!

115664 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, #230 of 1211 🔗

I will give it a whirl soon.

114629 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 7, #231 of 1211 🔗

News flash batman (Robert pattison???) has tested positive.

Not sure about robin.

They are getting desparate now.

First the rock and now batman, we are all going to diiieeeeeeeee

114638 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to stefarm, 9, #232 of 1211 🔗

Well at least it’s a blow to mask- wearing if Batman has succumbed.

114652 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #233 of 1211 🔗

But he’s been wearing his wrong for years – he uses it to cover his eyes.

115075 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Andrew Fish, 1, #234 of 1211 🔗

The Covid can get you through the eyes, best not tell the mask mob or they’ll start wearing blindfolds.

114647 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to stefarm, 1, #235 of 1211 🔗

Key cast and crew are being tested at regular intervals, Johnson and Pattinson won’t be the only ones who test “positive”.

114665 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #236 of 1211 🔗

With no symptoms???

115448 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stefarm, #237 of 1211 🔗

Country Joe & the Fish
Fixin to die rag – Woodstock

114634 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #238 of 1211 🔗

Denise Welch sharing an interview with Sunetra Gupta:


114651 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #239 of 1211 🔗

Good for her. She’s got a fan base that might need a good nudge.

114654 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PoshPanic, 10, #240 of 1211 🔗

Its rather telling that Gupta has alluded to how she’s having trouble getting her research published despite her name and academic affiliation. It’s like Trofim Lysenko all over again – the establishment declared that he was right and as a result other scientists were marginalised and even sent to prison.

114663 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #241 of 1211 🔗

Yeah, I noticed on the twitter thread, another scientist, who had struggled to get research published.

114676 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #242 of 1211 🔗

Been there, got the T shirt (or, more specifically, Mr TT). This is exactly the experience of Climate Change ‘science’. Once you established yourself and your research as questioning ‘the science is settled’ mantra in the early 2000s, you could not find a conduit for your papers. Once that has happened, you get booted off the funding tracks. Clearly the same is happening here, and it does not surprise me at all.

114703 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #243 of 1211 🔗

This is an interesting point you make TT especially so in relation to comments elsewhere on the page this morning. Do you have any suggest about how the scientific consensus is reached that begins the drying up of funding for diverse research? How is the trend set?

I hope you don’t mind me imposing this question on you. Thanks.

114710 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 13, #244 of 1211 🔗

Basics, this is how it works from Mr TT, who has acted as an expert witness to government and corporates in energy markets since the late 1990s (prior to that he was in the corporate world). I can also cross-reference this from my own direct experience of some of the people involved in the process several years later:

The decision that ‘the science is settled’ was taken at the highest level of the Blair government because it wanted to adopt the climate change strategy for political reasons. Then it was enacted by redirecting academic funding to those research groups who were deemed to be supportive of the government objective. Those that were not had their funding removed and it became almost impossible to get research published. There were academics who were ‘on side’ with the government objective, who then proceeded to force out other academics who were not. This process is reinforced throughout the university system by refusing to recruit young academics who do not support the Climate Change mantra and refusing to promote established academics. In the end, after 10 years of this process of attrition we ended up with ‘97% of scientists agree’.

This is how ‘science’ is manipulated for political purposes. I have no doubt that it is/has been happening here, and we completely believe what Professor Gupta has said.

114744 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #245 of 1211 🔗

Thank you. Really appreciate that. Your description rings true to my observations from following snippets of information as any other person might. In Blair’s Government, yet it was in more recent Conservative years the BBC publicised it’s editorial decision that ‘the science is settled’ anthropogenic climate change is happening thry declared. The climate game has continued regardless of government.

Obviously Blair’s circle was lobbied or advised of climate scientific study in order for the Government’s decisions to be made. Was this simply wrong data shown without contrary opposition?

To my mind it would be fanciful to think our government decision making process does not seek to challenge its own advisors’ data. Yet this does seem to be the nature of things. Academics silencing others.

I imagine forcing out a colleague requires teamwork – ethically this might be considered a conspiracy given that questioning is fundamental to science.

The power of think tanks, royal societies, etc. informing governments appears to be central to the operational network of informed scientific government policy. Control the information and the options are limited to favourable outcomes for those who place the limits.

Is the academic motivation purely financial? Intuitive perception of this situation is impossible for me.

114814 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 5, #246 of 1211 🔗

Blair’s government saw the potential for climate change to be used as a tool for imposing socialist policies, and in effect, nationalising the energy economy. Up until the early 2000s the UN Climate Change conferences had been dominated by real scientific debate among meteoroligists and atmospheric physicists but there was no consensus emerging. Left wing politicians grew tired of this academic debate and simply declared ‘the science is settled’ and proceeded to push aside and defund any dissenting voices so they could get on with imposing the policy. The scientists who supported it were rewarded with promotions and funding. Moreover, they sat on the funding bodies, editorial boards and recruitment panels, so it became reinforcing. Now we have scientists whose career and livelihood depends entirely on supporting the narrative – people have to pay their mortgages and put food on the table. Dissenters either went elsewhere, kept their mouths shut, or retired (what Mr TT did).

Interestingly, if you look at the attached, you will see some familiar names on here – Gupta, Gilbert, Hill and Pollard:


The Martin School is closely aligned with the Blavatnik School, to which your friend Devi is associated.

I suggest a pincer movement to silence Gupta.

114861 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #247 of 1211 🔗

Very interesting, thanks for the insights TT.

114896 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to DressageRider, #248 of 1211 🔗

Yes, hear, hear. Rings true from my own experience in unrelated science. Which is why I now have no income and look after the kids!

115002 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to DressageRider, #249 of 1211 🔗

I agree thanks TT

115088 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basics, 2, #250 of 1211 🔗

I’ve been told many times that non-Academic/Scientific staff at the Met Office (security, office support, IT, probably catering) are well advised to keep their opinions to themselves if not on board about Climate Change.

Probably applies to support staff within lockdown enforcement.

115666 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #251 of 1211 🔗

Tony Blair is a Deplorable.

115479 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #252 of 1211 🔗

Thanks for sharing Mr TT’s experience and looks like this seems to be he norm now.

114735 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #253 of 1211 🔗

She is now on This Morning laying into the stats and the MSM ..

115004 ▶▶▶ Klein, replying to mjr, 2, #254 of 1211 🔗

She’s really impressed me

114636 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #255 of 1211 🔗

Rules for thee but not for me – Irish MEPs don’t want to self isolate upon return from Brussels:


114645 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Ewan Duffy, 3, #256 of 1211 🔗

Self-interest, no doubt, but if they got their way they would be creating a very valuable precedent wouldn’t they?

115481 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ewan Duffy, #257 of 1211 🔗

Greet them all upon their return and create an impromptu rally. Or else.

114640 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 37, #258 of 1211 🔗

The article in the BMJ indicates what we have known for some time. The theoretical model of infection, transmission and fatality does not match real data, available at least from May onwards.

I don’t blame the health professionals for the initial panic. But I do think they have been engaged in a deliberate deceit since then. I can only imagine that they thought, if we knew the facts, we would take more risk. Some of them have become so obsessed by the model that they have not stuck their head up to look around.

When 40% of all deaths are aged 85+ (as they normally are), and 25% have dementia or Alzheimer’s, you don’t need a PhD in epidemiology to know that this does not justify suspending normal social and economic activity.

114658 ▶▶ Sally, replying to WhyNow, 26, #259 of 1211 🔗

I do blame the health professionals. There was a lot of evidence from China and Italy already in March showing that the virus only posed a danger to older adults with comorbidities. This was reflected in the advice provided to the UK government by SAGE in early March and released as a result of Simon Dolan’s lawsuit. There was never any justification for lockdowns.

115483 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to WhyNow, #260 of 1211 🔗

Sure don’t.

114827 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cecil B, #262 of 1211 🔗

Head melting

114667 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 16, #263 of 1211 🔗

Not at all surprised if we have what is called “herd immunity” already. I’m not a doctor or scientist or epidemiologist but right from the start I was sceptical about the official line on herd immunity. I came to these conclusions by reason of logic and common sense – both undervalued throughout this crisis.

For one thing, CV19 spreads like wildfire. We see that in action across the globe. For me it is difficult to imagine how anyone could avoid infection – or exposure, at least, shall we say.

The oft quoted 60% infection rate for achieving herd immunity made no sense to me. In a country like the UK this would mean you have 27 million people moving around and mixing with each other but somehow – according to the herd immunity theory – at little or no risk of acquiring this highly infectious virus. That’s not credible.

Far more likely that pretty much everyone has been exposed to the virus. Again thinking of how the human organism has evolved from a chain of organisms over billions of years it seemed almost certain to me the body has multiple methods of dealing with viruses. The early emphasis on antibody analysis always seemed wrongheaded to me. We have learnt a lot about T cells but I am sure there are other physical mechanisms at play in defending us.

The fact that CV19 is closely related to other viruses we are used to dealing with suggested there would be some degree of cross immunity.

The chances of a big second spike seem remote unless some mutation is thrown up that once again gets the better of our immune systems. Clearly there are still vulnerable people around who may succumb especially once we are in the difficult winter period when our bodies are stressed by the cold, damp and pathogens of all kinds. But society at large need have few worries.

114699 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to OKUK, 8, #264 of 1211 🔗

Agree. If anyone has ever been on a crowded Tube during rush hour (which actually spans around 3 hours at either end of the day) you will know you are practically kissing the person next to you. All those pictures of people still going to work before official lockdown in London – most, if not all, of London’s commuters had had it by then. Ditto many other large cities in the UK with rapid transit systems. But, for politicians and journos ‘don’t let the facts get in the way of the story’, aka, the need for a vaccine!

114781 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #265 of 1211 🔗

And government has known this, or it’s been in the public domain, since 5 June:
‘ Q780 Zarah Sultana: My question is to Professor Kay and Professor Propper.
We know that the UK has the most absolute excess deaths in Europe…SAGE members are concerned that we are easing restrictions in England specifically far too quickly. Are there similar
concerns within the economics community, and from an economics
perspective what do you feel about this?
Professor Kay: My starting point is that we should be very careful about interpreting all this data. I have spent a fair part of my career—I think my economics colleagues have as well—asking questions about where the data comes from and how reliable it is. Very often, when you think you have a surprising answer, it is because the data or analysis is wrong rather than because the answer is surprising. I am not sure we yet know how the UK compares with other countries in terms of excess deaths, or indeed how excess death figures should be calculated to give meaningful numbers…I find the latest numbers from the ONS random sample data, which is probably the best information we have on what is going on, quite encouraging, but it will need more analysis before we can really interpret what is happening.
Professor Propper: When we do the analysis, it will probably be the case that very densely populated countries that have very heavy reliance on public transport will be those in which Covid-19 had a big impact, because we know it is a disease in which indoor transmission is really important compared with outdoor transmission. Countries in which people
drive to work predominantly and are alone in their cars and have structures in which work is relatively well spaced will have had less. Those are very complicated sets of things before we can say that Britain has done badly.’

114790 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Bruno, 1, #266 of 1211 🔗

Thanks Sylvie. John Kay is a good old-fashioned empirical economist, and someone whose opinion I respect (I have referenced his work in some of my own)!

114816 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #267 of 1211 🔗

Same. I read his book The Truth About Markets a few years ago and his thinking and explanation of how these things work really impressed me. I am certainly an armchair economist so really appreciate such attempts to bring the subject to a more general audience

114910 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #268 of 1211 🔗

Me too. What is bugging me is that there is serious informed discussion ongoing in Westminster and Whitehall, BUT Johnson and his crew of 2nd rate yes-people seem to be impervious to it.

115484 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #269 of 1211 🔗

And more advertising revenue. And clicks.

114732 ▶▶ wendy, replying to OKUK, 2, #270 of 1211 🔗

Yes I agree. The fact that it is so easily spread around, with most people not even noticing they have encountered it always had me thinking it was not a virus that was going to wipe out the earth.

114668 Sir Patrick Vaccine, #271 of 1211 🔗

Latest From Fascist Melbourne
Melbourne police break down a door over a Facebook post protesting government tyranny.

114669 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #272 of 1211 🔗

Why Are Covid-19 Cases Soaring In NZ? PCR Test Update
Dr. Sam Bailey
87.8K subscribers
Dr Sam talks about what is happening in NZ in regards to COVID-19 and important information you should know about the COVID-19 PCR Test

114754 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #273 of 1211 🔗

Stephen please do not take offence but why do you post exactly the same things multiple times every day? Once is all that is needed and people will usually bump and discuss essential reading.

114923 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sarigan, #274 of 1211 🔗

Yeah, it’s really pissing me off, just spamming the comments section.

115486 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JohnB, #275 of 1211 🔗

Maybe he forgot that he already posted it. Chill out. We know who the enemy is and he’s not it.

114670 Basics, replying to Basics, 14, #276 of 1211 🔗

London Underground. Arrest for not wearing a mask. Violent. 1.5 Million views.


There is another video going about of the incident. The arresting police officer refuses to give his name, epelets are filmed. The victim is cuffed and taken away having lost all clothing from his top half. A large team of back-up including plain clothed get physical with the man.

Hard to watch.

114675 ▶▶ alw, replying to Basics, 7, #277 of 1211 🔗


114695 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to alw, 8, #278 of 1211 🔗

The fact that they are happy to film doing this shows that they don’t care and face no come back for for their bully boy tactics

114708 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to 6097 Smith W, 4, #279 of 1211 🔗

In Berlin this weekend it was recommended to film arrests, but not intervene, as this could get them arrested for obstruction. Rather film and provide the footage for any wrongful arrest or police brutality claim.

114913 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Silke David, 1, #280 of 1211 🔗

Yes, if you get involved then the phone or memory card which is being recorded to is confiscated. So just film and don;t get involved.

114757 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Basics, 4, #281 of 1211 🔗

Quite unbelievable. It’s terrifying. What I find especially disturbing is the idea the the police pick and choose politically what rules to enforce.

114768 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to WhyNow, 2, #282 of 1211 🔗

Political policing. Forms the breakdown of consent.

114786 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Basics, 2, #283 of 1211 🔗

What is it about Liverpool? Wasn’t the OTT school with all the amazing rules there?

115209 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Basics, 1, #285 of 1211 🔗

As any rational basis for compliance evaporates, those in authority demand yet greater compliance and turn to violence. This is getting frightening. Clearly, it won’t just blow over given time.

Bojo called for police enforcement of masking weeks ago. Here it is. To those who still carry a torch, as it were, for the Tory Party, this is the party you support in action. This is what it stands for. The boast of Tories used to be that they prevented the rise of any fascist movement. That boast looks very hollow today.

115491 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ovis, #286 of 1211 🔗

They are a fascist movement. What happened to the Magna Carta? Dumped in the Thames.

115489 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basics, #287 of 1211 🔗

Like Melbourne, like London. It can’t happen here. But it is happening here now.

114671 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #288 of 1211 🔗

Having been away six month I only became aware yesterday that the small town I live now has a one way system for pedestrians!

When walking eastwards on Main Street one is suppose to keep to the south side – to walk west on the north side!

Cuts down on passing people!

There’s stickers on the pavement with flow signs. And yesterday being market day yesterday two poor woman working for the council were requesting people to comply.

Is this happening elsewhere?

114683 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ned of the Hills, #289 of 1211 🔗

There’s not much of that sort of thing where I live, and what there is of it isn’t taken much notice of. There are some road closures, which are nice if you’re a pedestrian, not so much if you also drive.

114694 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Ned of the Hills, #290 of 1211 🔗

What are the overtaking rules?

114696 ▶▶ davews, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #291 of 1211 🔗

Similar arrows and a few barriers in our town centre but most people seem to ignore them. In Reading they have barriers all along the road and if you miss the not very prominent signs and get on the wrong side there is no way out…

115367 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Ned of the Hills, #292 of 1211 🔗

Surprisingly, not where I live in rural Scotland. It is probably something that locals would like to do, as they are big on mask wearing & complain a lot about ‘not feeling safe’ in the town, because there are too many people milling around, including – horrors of horrors – too many people not wearing masks outside.

115494 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ned of the Hills, #293 of 1211 🔗

It’s like a sheep or cattle ranch. Soon they’ll have sheep dogs posted just to make sure that you obey the rules.

114672 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 17, #294 of 1211 🔗

The Scottish gym report provides the perfect example for why social distancing was REALLY introduced and is continued to be insisted upon:
To prevent any opportunity for uncontrollable dissent coming up and spreading!

114713 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jay Berger, 6, #295 of 1211 🔗

Exactly! Same applies to pubs and other places where people meet and chat…

114673 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #296 of 1211 🔗

Mention of “the great reset” above the line is a good thing. Of all of it, lack of democracy, is most concerning. But if we never really had it and this “great reset” had been brewing unchallenged and unaware in the minds of many, we at least now can see what is evolving and the potential consequences.

115495 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Country Mumkin, #297 of 1211 🔗

We must Reset the Resetters. To oblivion and the dustbin of History.

114692 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Girl down Under, 3, #299 of 1211 🔗

I see the author is a retired federal court circuit judge. Good to see more voices from the Establishment.

114704 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Charlie Blue, 16, #300 of 1211 🔗

How can she be so unconcerned, so dogmatic and so wrong in her response to what happened to this woman?

It’s interesting as I’ve mentioned things like this to my OH and I get met with ‘meh’

I might mention the ridiculous quarantine rules and I get ‘meh, we won’t go away until next year anyway and I don’t fancy Portugal or Spain’

‘facemasks on public transport, meh, I’m working at home anyway so don’t need to get a bus for the time being’

‘facemasks in shops, meh, you are doing the shopping and I don’t need anything new’

‘businesses going out of business, meh, we don’t go to pizza express and they’ve been going down the tubes for ages’

I haven’t even mentioned schools as I fear it will be the same.

‘meh, we haven’t got any kids’

We had an Amazon delivery the other day, courier fully masked and gloves.

Me ‘fuck me, have a look at the geezer, really’

Cue OH eye roll and tut, ‘don’t keep going on about it’

‘stop going on about empty ambulances driving past, it’s getting boring’

I feel like screaming or shaking her, please wake up, our lives are being destroyed!!!!

114709 ▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to stefarm, 7, #301 of 1211 🔗

It’s the same everywhere, people have been 100% brainwashed, no going back from that. I decided to stop wasting my time and energy trying to wake up people who do not want to wake up themselves. Stay strong, that is all you can do.

114712 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Thomas_E, 2, #302 of 1211 🔗

A lot of the brainwashed watch TV regularly… I would *love* to know if the government have been using subliminal TV imaging to brainwash people, by which I mean inserting quick brainwashing-type messages in images between ‘frames’ in TV programmes, that the conscious brain does not register, but which nonetheless get registered at a deeper level and thereby influence behaviour..

114756 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Carrie, #303 of 1211 🔗

I don’t think they use subliminals as such but TV is designed to be hypnotic. People get addicted to the state TV puts their brainwaves into. Not being a brianologist I can’t say for sure but it is alpha waves? A release of serotonin?

Anyway, it’s not just that its 4K TV, huge screens, they dominate a room, TV is the main focus of LIFE. The 4K TV I personally find to be an assault on my eyes and brain as I am not used to it. The image is just so sharp , bright and colourful. I literally can’t watch.

Also just look at almost any thing on TV, the news, all the graphics, the slidy logos, the sound effects, the music, all of it designed to literally hypnotise people. All of it done to a tried and tested formula.

They don’t need to use subliminals as you describe, hidden frames, they use subliminals everywhere all the time, motifs.

Neil Saunders has done a lot of good research into the hypnotic elements of TV and modern brainwashing techniques

. https://www.neilsandersmindcontrol.com/

115502 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, #304 of 1211 🔗

If you turn your head and look at the TV screen through your peripheral vision you will notice often quick, flickering flashes of images. That’s editing folks. Digital.

114785 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Carrie, 7, #305 of 1211 🔗

There was no need for subliminal messages, the government spend around 50 million pounds on their stay home campaign. I have a friend inside the system(government, full sceptic but ha to keep quiet) and he told me that the main concern even in May was , that the campaign worked too well and now they don’t know how to bring it back.

Well, just go to your local town and everybody is wearing masks in the shops and now I see it more and more even outside.

115014 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #306 of 1211 🔗

I actually don’t buy this claim that they were do surprised their campaign worked so well, because initially it wasn’t really, thus the reason SAGE àdvised using the media to heighten the sense of self threat, then on top of this threats from Patel, Hancock of police fines, arrest, road blocks if we did not do as were instructed, so little chance of trying to ignore the rules. Had they not involved the police I think it would have been a different story and the rules would not have been obeyed to the extent they were. Now, after six months of deliberated behavioural psychology at work, many people are probably now under its influence. If they didn’t intend it to have such dire consequences, why keep on with it. There was no need to introduce masks, but they did, and we now have the classic Hancock promise a reward and then snatch it away at the last minute, with promises we may have a normal Christmas … or not ..only if we are good boys and girls.

115503 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nsklent, #307 of 1211 🔗

Scrooge Hancock.

115668 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Carrie, #308 of 1211 🔗

You forgot and snitch on their neighbors.

114751 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Thomas_E, 3, #309 of 1211 🔗

Thing is I know she thinks it’s all bollocks but is in her own bubble, she has I think deliberately distanced herself because it would cause her distress and she tells me I’ve gone down too many rabbit holes and am almost a bit of a conspiracy theorist or too cynical about everything. We don’t watch the news or any other MSM.

I sometimes admire her but I can’t help thinking there will be a moment when it does affect her and she will take it badly.

We should be planning a wedding and this time last year she was so excited about going out shopping for wedding dresses and planning a hen do. Her sisters and mum are desperate to go out shopping (rightly so) but her heart isn’t in it because of the restrictions and masks, she hasn’t said this outright but I know her and know this is probably why.

I’d rather she sais to her family that lockdown is shit and I hate everything thing about it as it’s ruining my life and happiness, then again maybe I’m making too many assumptions. Maybe she thinks it will all be over overnight.

I’m being angry on her behalf as well as mine.

Sorry, having a whinge. I sometimes wonder if I’m wrong and picked the wrong horse (covid not her 😏 ).

114779 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to stefarm, 6, #310 of 1211 🔗

Look, first of all the term conspiracy theorist has been invented by the CIA in the late 60s to discredit anybody who was doubting the official Kennedy assassination narrative..so if I’m called that I find that a compliment. Secondly, I feel sorry for your girlfriend as she sound like she is living in complete denial and for some people that is the only way they can cope with this horrible situation..Be there to catch her when the bubble burst, it can be devastating. All of this has been done by design and I very much doubt if it will ever go back to normal as once you give them the power, they will not give it back..Look, we still have to take shoes off at the airports..9/11 was 19 years ago!! I don’t wear mask to shops or public transport and ignore the signs in the shops,not because I’m super brave or a rebel, it’s because im and a adult and I know how to fucking walk around a shop.
Be there for your girlfriend, support here and never stop searching for the truth.

114802 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to stefarm, #311 of 1211 🔗

‘I’m being angry on her behalf’. Just stop it. She’s not a child.

115026 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to stefarm, #312 of 1211 🔗


114711 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to stefarm, #313 of 1211 🔗

How infuriating, Stefarm. Sounds like a chronic case of ‘I’m alright Jack’. I’m lucky that I share my home only with dogs. They were appalled by the 1 hr a day exercise rule and are just as disturbed by the sight of people in masks as I am.

115273 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Charlie Blue, #314 of 1211 🔗

Really how do you dogs react to zombies in face nappies? I am interested to know. I understand dogs.

114736 ▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to stefarm, #315 of 1211 🔗

Oh dear Stefarm, that’s no good. I’m lucky that mine is as aggro about what is going on as I am. The judge is right though, colleagues we may work with are just as hard hearted, but when a restriction is lifted that affects them, it is straight up with ‘I’m OK Jack, woo hoo’. But something to make you laugh, we all need something to laugh at.

115024 ▶▶▶▶ Dermot McClatchey, replying to stefarm, #316 of 1211 🔗


114684 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 5, #317 of 1211 🔗


PCR sensitivity is as a fire truck going and finding every householder who lights a match.

114723 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to stefarm, 1, #318 of 1211 🔗

Love that analogy.

I sent a letter to my local MLA yesterday. I doubt it will do much but it makes me feel better for a few hours.

This was the central part of it, I only focused on testing procedure as it related to cases and panic it induces in people who blindly follow:

“PCR Testing Sensitivity




Put simply, if up to 90% of positive cases can be related to insignificant levels of infection or simply other viral material, then we are operating in a very foggy environment when forming public policy responses to this crisis.

This is not new information. PCR testing has long been caveated by the need for further clinical analysis of a patient before making any formal diagnosis. Additional symptoms for example. Such a test is simply a broad indicator of possible infection.

In particular, it must be noted that as we are at testing capacity here in NI and still we see low levels of cases when compared to earlier this year, these false positives weigh heavily on the cumulative numbers we report. Put simply, it guarantees positives will always be detected, regardless whether the individuals are infected or not.

Effectively, in using these tests in the manner we currently do, it appears we will never be able to supress the virus in Northern Ireland due to a statistical anomoly.

It has left me absolutely disheartened that neither our MLAs, nor our medical experts, are openly discussing and making it known to the general public that these realities with coronavirus testing exist.

I repeat, PCR testing should never be taken to mean a person is infectious, but rather, it can only be used as a very broad indicator. Cases at the level we are seeing should not be seen as a cause for alarm by the public for this reason.

Unless this messaging is addressed, we will see, for example, chaos in our schools as uninformed parents panic at an outbreak of cases at their child’s school for example. I am sure you understand and have seen how such panic can rapidly escalate and spread.

This is ultimately about people’s daily lives and the atmosphere that is being created around it. On that basis I urge you to:

1. Seek out specific confirmation from the Department of Health regarding PCT tests the level of false positives.

2. Also ask if they have information on the average number of cycles tests are having to go through (known as amplification) before the virus is detected. See the information in the links provided to understand more on this. This is crucial to the efficacy of these tests in influencing where public policy goes from here.”

114860 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #319 of 1211 🔗

Even the zealots, like Drosten&Lauterbach in Germany, have accepted the main premise and conclusion of the NYT article: the virus load is the truly relevant criteria for a person’s infectedness and infectiousness.
And as masks INCREASE the infected person’s virus load, just as they increase his CO2 intake, they increase the problem, cases and danger of the cases.
But if that was true, case levels should be rising in mask-wearing countries like D, F, Sp, UK&co, and falling in Sweden, DK, N, NL, German/Italian speaking Swiss
Oh wait.
That’s exactly what they do….

114685 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #320 of 1211 🔗

The point regarding Sturgeon’s hubris is an interesting one. I’ve just finished reading this excellent book about the psychology of self deception.


It deals with self deceptions at the individual as well as national level. We are complex beings and far from the cold hard rationalists we like to think. Even that is a facet of our ability to deceive ourselves.

In relation to Sturgeon the point made that she is averse to alternative views right now seems absolutely correct to me and is natural. She may even be surrounding herself with Yes men unknowingly to sustain her own sense of certainty, only serving to reinforce the strength of bias she is suffering from.

An intervention from a man in a white coat could be the only solution.

114690 ▶▶ Basics, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #321 of 1211 🔗

With the ongoing inquiry into different matters it appears your view of yes men is correct. Further, controlling what information no men see is being employed, maybe to save self.

Body language of Sturgeon shows a fragile pentulant bully. In some ways her facial expressions to unliked questions are similar to a tantruming footballer.

114719 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Basics, 9, #322 of 1211 🔗

As well as being sold on the ZeroCovid idea my feeling about Sturgeon is she has seen how the left have praised NZ and Arden and wants to be praised in the same way and wants to bring down the Conservative government for not doing the same as she is doing. We on this site are all sure she has backed the wrong horse so what will happen to her when that becomes clear I don’t know?

114731 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to wendy, 5, #323 of 1211 🔗

I’d agree. They’ve politicised the whole thing to such an extent they are blind to the changing reality. All they have left is spin and ever more enforcement

114783 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to wendy, #324 of 1211 🔗

The Scottish Government have published their yearly will-dos within the last week. Covid Zero was the policy now the Scottish game aligns with Boris, that is, surpress with the prospect of complete elimination now a consequential byproduct should it occur. It was published without fanfare or comment by msm.

By the way zero covid was being spoken about by those wot are as different from covid zero. Just a bit of trivia.

115506 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to wendy, #325 of 1211 🔗

Throw her in a peat bog.

114949 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Basics, #326 of 1211 🔗

Yes the evil feint chuckle mid-sentence is very sinister and bully-like.

Didn’t she say she spends all morning preparing for the daily press briefings?

115505 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basics, #327 of 1211 🔗

How about a petulant child that always wants to get his/her way?

114728 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #328 of 1211 🔗

I really think that she is using that Tracey Ullman mick-take as guidance for how to run Scotland …

115590 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #329 of 1211 🔗

I have zero empathy or sympathy for that woman. She doesn’t deserve it.

114706 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 33, #330 of 1211 🔗

Some Good News.
I was just stuck in traffic worse than proper normal.
It’s registration day at the 6th form college. The main building sits within grounds, the many nearby satellite buildings The College has expanded into do not.

Outside each of these are queues of happy excited older teenagers, not Socially Distanced shop queues but full on going into a busy night club/sports stadium, 3-4 abreast, hugger mugger completely filling the pavements.
The 4 or 5 queues must have totalled 2-300 Students and not a single mask in sight.
Rejoice. Not a single trembling numpty across the road hiding in a face nappy.

They have clearly decided that Social Distancing is bollocks and, by extension, so are lockdown and the Covid.

And if course they were moving hither and thither between the various buildings doing registration stuff with not a care in the world for the inconvenience caused to tax paying motorists, selfish bastards.

114792 ▶▶ Edward, replying to karenovirus, 8, #331 of 1211 🔗

It’s strange that we get good reports like the above, and elsewhere we get reports about near 100% compliance, lots of mask wearing outside, etc. Is there a kind of clustering effect whereby a particular sort of behaviour predominates in a particular location? Are people copying those they see around them, and it can tip one way or the other?

114953 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Edward, 2, #332 of 1211 🔗

Herd mentality/peer pressure guides both I would imagine.

115312 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Edward, 1, #333 of 1211 🔗

I’m seeing increased activity around Bournemouth University, although it’s not open yet. The students I’ve seen are all wearing masks on the bus and out on the street as well. So there’s a different cluster than the one described above.

115693 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #334 of 1211 🔗

That’s because the College students will be in groups of long term friends who have been hanging about with each other during lockdown and had the opportunity to develop a joint response, rejection.

Uni students will either be new arrivals singletons or separated from their peers for 6 months susceptible to mask propaganda alone at home.

114991 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 2, #335 of 1211 🔗

Lunchtime was much the same but more so as the entire student body (approx 2k) seemed to be on the move, swarming the shoppers from the nearby High Street.

I saw just one boy with a mask and it struck me that he must now count as the one being ‘brave’ in ignoring the collective wisdom of his cohort.

114715 Norma McNormalface, replying to Norma McNormalface, 8, #336 of 1211 🔗

This today from my friend in San Francisco, California:
The Gap has almost gone completely out of business here in SF. Their gigantic store in Union Square (the one that took over the old Woolworths Building on Market St) as well as all their other stores — except for one – are closing here in SF. Permanently. So, if THE GAP has gone under, you know things are really bad.”

114773 ▶▶ Norma McNormalface, replying to Norma McNormalface, 5, #337 of 1211 🔗

…And he closes with: “Let’s hope that someday, somehow, life goes back to some semblance of normality before the end of the year. Signing off from the country once known as the USA”

115507 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Norma McNormalface, #338 of 1211 🔗

Most of the clothes from The Gap that I received from my family fell apart after less than one year. Not great quality.

114718 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 13, #339 of 1211 🔗

Crimes against humanity consist of various acts—murder, extermination , enslavement , torture , forcible transfers of populations, imprisonment , rape , persecution , enforced disappearance, and apartheid , among others—when , according to the ICC, those are “committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population.”

There must be trials when this is all over

115508 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cecil B, #340 of 1211 🔗

Nuremberg style. Mea Culpa time. Jail time.

114729 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 9, #341 of 1211 🔗

My local swimming pool has banned the backstroke and butterfly due to Coronavirus

115467 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #342 of 1211 🔗

Every day there is a totally ridiculous rule passed somewhere.

115509 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Laura Suckling, #343 of 1211 🔗

Some of those people spênd every working day thinking about stupid stuff like that. It empowers them.

114730 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #344 of 1211 🔗

Apologies if it’s been mentioned elsewhere:

How coronavirus has brought together conspiracy theorists and the far right
These protests aren’t just a symptom of public frustration. They represent a deliberate break with our shared reality
Stephen Buranyi


…these protests are more calculated than they appear, and aren’t just a symptom of understandable-but-misguided public frustration with the events of the past few months. Rather they represent the continuing abstention of large swathes of the public from what could be termed our shared reality, or public sphere, and suggest that the recent tendency of fringe and conspiracist positions to rapidly seed and burst into mainstream politics won’t be ending any time soon.

It’s the classic lumping in of all who, say, think that the lockdown was an over-reaction, as conspiracy theorists and ‘far right’. This bloke catches himself in time and realises that his article is a conspiracy theory in itself, and thinks that if he mentions it it makes the irony go away.

But it’s an interesting angle I hadn’t thought of: that some people (like him) think it’s important we have a “shared reality”, the implication being that it doesn’t matter if it’s based on dodgy science or whatever, just as long as we all observe it and pretend it’s real as a society.

114739 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #345 of 1211 🔗

Their other branch (BBC) are at it too.


I wouldn’t mind, but I’m in that picture, somewhere. Guilt by association.

114748 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to James Leary #KBF, 6, #346 of 1211 🔗

That BBC article is unbelievable.

The potential audiences for dangerous disinformation are growing and harder to isolate and contain…”They are becoming so inter-connected that it is hard for tech platforms at this late stage to now get a grip on limiting the reach of potentially dangerous disinformation.”

And this is how any opinion can be suppressed. Just say that it’s dangerous disinformation. And, as this article is doing, link all ‘conspiracy theories’ to Covid, and suggest that there’s so much that it can’t even be ‘filtered’, and you’ve got the perfect tool for suppressing it all , supposedly for the public good. Only reputable organisations like the BBC are allowed to disseminate information…

And also, they throw in this lovely comment:
“Anti-Semitism is never far from the surface of these conspiracy theories,” he adds.

114760 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Barney McGrew, 16, #347 of 1211 🔗

BBC just pick out a few ideas to discredit all challengers. It’s poor stuff. I am sure we are on the right side and our voices are growing. Thank goodness some people did stick their necks out at the beginning like Toby and Simon Dolan. Thank goodness also for Carl Heneghan and team who are chipping away and beginning to be heard.

114765 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #348 of 1211 🔗

Yet the number one cause they are supporting, BLM, are the most Anti-Semitic people you will ever meet. BLM and their supporters have put out loads of Anti-Semitic tweets, and they’re mostly Momentum members who everyone knows after the Corbyn Labour debacle.

114793 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to JohnB, 4, #349 of 1211 🔗

Sorry – but that’s nonsense linking Corbyn and Momentum (I’m not a supporter) with anti-semitism. You’ve fallen for the big media scam just before Covid.

114829 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to RickH, 3, #350 of 1211 🔗

I am not a great fan or supporter of Corbyn and Momentum but a lot of the anti-semitism stuff was indeed a media scam. Lots of people spoke out on the situation in the middle east and the easiest way to silence people on the subject is to call them anti semites (a few undoubtedly are).

114832 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Darryl, 2, #351 of 1211 🔗

Yes, I thought the same

115064 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JYC, replying to Darryl, 2, #352 of 1211 🔗

There were Jews who were ready to leave the UK if Corbyn had been elected.

115078 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to JYC, #353 of 1211 🔗

That proves absolutely nothing. There were also Jews who were supportive of Corbyn and thought the anti-semitism allegations were bs.

115255 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to JYC, #354 of 1211 🔗

I completely understand why they would feel threatened by some of the stuff in the media – I would. I find it a bit surprising that some of the people who complained about anti semitic bully are very keen on bullying, intimidating and punishing anyone who doesn’t agree with their beloved lockdown. I suspect they won’t speak out when people start being sent to quarantine camps (for the greater good) in a few months time.

115309 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to JYC, #355 of 1211 🔗

There are also people who think they will die from COVID if they get less than 6 feet from a stranger. The issue is separating what is in your mind from reality – something that is often hard to do.

115512 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Darryl, #356 of 1211 🔗

If you criticize Netanyahu or the Israeli government on some issues you can get called an Anti-Semite. They’re pure as the driven snow. Yeah, sure. Like Teflon.

115127 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 1, #357 of 1211 🔗

Stop talking b*llocks Rick. You’re as deluded as they come mate. You much be so far left to be thinking that the BBC is on the right too, you’re blinkered beyond belief. Wake up and smell the coffee!

114782 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #358 of 1211 🔗

“audiences…harder to isolate and contain”. So we are viruses? Profoundly sinister languages.

115515 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Charlie Blue, #359 of 1211 🔗

We are all walking germ carriers. Have been for thousands of years. Big deal. The phobic/public health neurotics have slowy destroyed common sense and are now introducing a new way to see the world and live in it.

114795 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #360 of 1211 🔗

They are trapped in their own echo chambers now. The problem being that they actually have the power to impose their view on others.

We are simply left with reasonable argument, non compliance and maybe colourful language

115517 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #361 of 1211 🔗

We gave them the power when we ignored every step of their step by step plan.

114753 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #362 of 1211 🔗

It’s just a way to try to discredit and silence us. I am certain it is they who have backed the wrong horse so in the end what will it tell us about people like this and the BBC, they are the authoritarians.

BBC have been given a warning by the new boss about bias so they had better be careful

114762 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to wendy, 2, #363 of 1211 🔗

Agree Wendy. If you go against the official narrative they will smear you in lots of ways. Don’t fall for it, carry on

115207 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to wendy, #364 of 1211 🔗

Even better, they know they’ve backed the wrong horse.

114740 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #365 of 1211 🔗

Putin would say exactly this about suppressing dissent.

114749 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to WhyNow, 2, #366 of 1211 🔗

Well said. That was my feeling. It’s just a way to put down voices saying other things. An interesting thought is that many of us on here wish U.K. was following Sweden so does the writer of that guardian article now have to call Sweden a far right country?

114974 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to wendy, 3, #367 of 1211 🔗

The media lie about Russia as well as covid.

115119 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to John P, #368 of 1211 🔗

What a surprise our favorite Russian bot defending Russia yet again!

114972 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to WhyNow, 5, #369 of 1211 🔗

I’m not sure of the point you are making here, but the MSM exaggerate the threat of Russia in exactly the same way that they exaggerate the threat of covid.

I was hoping that the penny might drop for some lockdown sceptics that the pandemic is not the first time the government and media has been less than honest.

Russia is no threat to us. We are far more of a threat to it with our aggressive behaviour on it’s borders.

Peter Hitchens has a far more balanced and pragmatic view of modern Russia and the reasons for our continued wilful aggression towards it. You might read what he has to say on the issue and learn something.

115259 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to John P, #370 of 1211 🔗

Agree, Russia is absolutely no threat to NATO just look at the US aircraft fleet compared with the 1 ageing Russian aircraft carrier. It is all just theatre created by both sides to justify military spending and keep populations fearful and distrustful.

114746 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #371 of 1211 🔗

So the author of that piece cannot see that they are arguing for other people not to challenge their belief because they are right and any challenger is wrong. Mhmm isn’t it they who are the dictator? In a democracy other views are supposed to be heard. Interesting the writer wants to discredit protesters as nutters and nazis, which in turn must make scientists and others who speak out against the writers views the same.

I can’t bear to read the article as my head might burst but isn’t this person painting themselves into a corner advocating authoritarianism in a way?

114804 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to wendy, 5, #372 of 1211 🔗

It’s unreal how unaware they are of the contradictory arguments they put up. It’s everywhere.

Seen a post on Facebook this morning from a mum scared to send her kid back to school. “they’ll not be used as a guinea pig” and so she has requested three weeks home schooling until she knows for sure it’s safe.

So other kids are her guinea pigs.

114752 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Barney McGrew, 8, #373 of 1211 🔗

Some other shared realities

The earth in flat
National Socialism
The South Sea Trading Company
Kennedy was a family man who didn’t spend every waking hour shagging his brains out
The dictator is capable of leading us
Peace in our time
The Princess of all our hearts
Matt Hancock is sane
Father Christmas
Rainbow clapping
Tooth fairies
Care homes
Freedom loving tories
Watneys Red Barrel was beer

115157 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Cecil B, 1, #374 of 1211 🔗

But I am a witch that practices alchemy whilst enjoying a pint of Watney’s Red Barrel

114761 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #375 of 1211 🔗

What a tosser. New, fancy-sounding ways of saying I am right and you are wrong, and I am superior and your opinion doesn’t count.

114770 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #376 of 1211 🔗

Pretty much exactly what was said about Brexit too…

114772 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #377 of 1211 🔗

The people who write these articles tend to dream of an intellectual Guardian reading elite ruling over every minute detail of everyone else’s lives. I have no doubt Stephen Buranyi sees himself as one of the elite and fancies himself as a social engineer. These people hate individual freedom and are probably in the pay of the establishment.

114776 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Darryl, 1, #378 of 1211 🔗

Social Engineer is quite a frightening term

114818 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to wendy, 4, #379 of 1211 🔗

It surprises me that probably only a few thousand people in the UK have any awareness of the Behavioural Insights Team and there is absolutely no mainstream media scrutiny of their work. The mind games that big tech and the media are playing on the public are sickening.

115046 ▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to Darryl, 2, #380 of 1211 🔗

The term “shared reality” definitely suggests this kind of socio-psychobabble, self-styled intellectual Guardianista mentality, which I’ve always loathed ever since I had any sort of political/media awareness, despite being more or less leftish in inclination pre-lockdown.

Given the way the media have cooperated in making most people’s “shared reality” a misery over the last 6 months, is it any surprise that increasing numbers of people want to “abstain” from it?

114911 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #381 of 1211 🔗

understandable-but-misguided public frustration “

Aww how nice of him to say it’s understandable. And I feel so in awe of his intellect as he’d personally decided any frustration is miguided. What a colossal twat.

114734 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 17, #382 of 1211 🔗

Yes, Covid is all to do with control, (WHO) that’s why they don’t care about cancer patients, they can’t control the world on the basis of cancer. As Sir Graham Brady said, it should be based on hospital admissions which, for covid, are almost nil.

114885 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #383 of 1211 🔗

No it should not be based on hospital admissions. Personally I do not think government should have the power to remove our liberty and destroy our livelihoods but surely at the very least it should be based on good evidence that such actions are going to have net beneficial effect.

114741 mjr, replying to mjr, 12, #384 of 1211 🔗

ITV This Morning
Started the show demonstrating a Bump device that flashes when you are too close !.

Then an interview with Denise Welsh … Brilliant ! Such an articulate woman
Even the tame doctor they had on the show agreed with her on much of what she said
The fat irish host Eamon was a typical MSM shill
Hope this is on Youtube soon

114759 ▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, 1, #385 of 1211 🔗

Dontcha just love twitter. Eamon mentioned some positive tweets.. So just had a look .. I dont tweet and have only started to look at twitter to see how football transfer window is going. Anyway.. looking at twitter, lots agree with Denise, lots of sheep against her, and lots of tweets complaining about the way Eamon pushed the money wheel for the competition. !!!

114906 ▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, #386 of 1211 🔗

whilst it is still there

114766 Bella Donna, 6, #387 of 1211 🔗

I absolutely detest Kate Burley. Why is she asking the Minister for Health (titter) about Trade?

114767 leggy, replying to leggy, 4, #388 of 1211 🔗
114778 ▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, 2, #389 of 1211 🔗

Fascist thuggery.

Note that the policeman’s number is not visible.

114806 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to RickH, 4, #390 of 1211 🔗

He wants to get in touch with Iain Gould. He’s the best solicitor to deal with police overreach. He has an excellent blog.

114897 ▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to RickH, 2, #391 of 1211 🔗

“Fascist” is exactly right. The classical definition of fascism is an unholy alliance between big business and the state. We are, and have been for many years had we but known it, living under fascist rule.

As for the abhorrent spectacle in that story, such organisations as the police tend to attract people with psychopathic tendencies, or with feelings (usually justified) of inadequacy. I used to think that these creatures were relatively thin on the ground in Britain, or in England certainly; that they were more common in, say, France or Latin America, but this Covid hoax has brought them all out of the woodwork and revealed just how many such cockroaches have hatched here in the years since WW2.

Of course, we as a people were disarmed long ago with a view to such a situation as has now arisen. Besides which, the police have become much more militarised, thuggish, and thoroughly nasty.

For a general overview of police spite, incompetence and blithe ignorance of the law, check out this YouTube channel:


114963 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Simon Dutton, 2, #392 of 1211 🔗

It all seemed to go wrong when they changed from white shirt and tie to black open neck t-shirts. And calling us all ‘Mate’ not ‘Sir’

114784 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to leggy, 4, #393 of 1211 🔗

Absolutely unacceptable! Police brutality and disability discrimination

114787 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to leggy, 3, #394 of 1211 🔗

Disgraceful although lots of misinformation claiming he spat at passengers and was refusing arrest, all crap.

I can really see the police over the next few months being used to instil fear and scare people and will see all of them now masked with numbers hidden (usual ploy to avoid detection). The officer was on the verge of spraying him. Should be ashamed of himself, bullies

Maybe the tide is turning, real desperation stuff from those in power.

114801 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to stefarm, 4, #395 of 1211 🔗

The proof is there that he acted reasonably, but was attacked

114794 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to leggy, 4, #396 of 1211 🔗

That is DISGUSTING. WHAT A FUCKING NIGHTMARE. These cops should be sacked. Bastards. Bastards. Bastards. Bastards.
I knew I shouldn’t have clicked the link.

114799 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to leggy, 3, #397 of 1211 🔗

Headline in the DM. Shocking. For not wearing a mask!! Sack him and send out a warning to all of these control freaks

114900 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to leggy, 4, #398 of 1211 🔗

Should be noted that in a caption of a photo of the protest at the weekend, daily mail inaccurately claims: “ More than 10,000 Covid-19 conspiracy theorists who believe the virus is a hoax gathered in London’s Trafalgar Square to protest against lockdown restrictions and vaccination programmes”

Even papers that are covering _some_ of the studies proving a whole bunch of the things we’ve said all along, are attempting to smear anyone not happily going along with this BS. It’s disgusting and transparent state propaganda at all times.

115636 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mark II, #399 of 1211 🔗

Which editor approved that photo caption blurb? Bill Gates?

114903 ▶▶ mjr, replying to leggy, 1, #400 of 1211 🔗
114946 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to leggy, 3, #401 of 1211 🔗

That policeman seems to have forgotten that we police by consent in this country:

“To recognise always that to secure and maintain the respect and approval of the public means also the securing of the willing co-operation of the public in the task of securing observance of laws.

To recognise always that the extent to which the co-operation of the public can be secured diminishes proportionately the necessity of the use of physical force and compulsion for achieving police objectives.”

I think the guy handled the situation extraordinarily well – there were several opportunities to have lashed out and been done for assault, and he didn’t take them. There was only one assailant – the one in uniform. What have we come to!

115637 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to BTLnewbie, #402 of 1211 🔗

Maybe he just arrived from Victoria?

114769 davews, 5, #403 of 1211 🔗

On my morning walk I passed the local chemist where there were a couple of elderly people waiting outside, masked up. Heard the lady say that she hated masks. Was tempted to butt in and say she was exempt but decided not to. A bit further along bumped into my friend John. Not sure how sceptic he is but certainly very anti-government and the mess they have got into. Commented on masks and exemptions and them tangling with my hearing aids, when he commented that he had already lost a couple of his aids. He did though seem well aware of the exemption rule so hope he has not got the message. Window cleaner unloading his van next to us, he made no comment but guess he had been listening..

114774 Major Panic, 2, #404 of 1211 🔗

don’t know if its been posted yet….
another brilliant sketch by JP


114775 Victoria, replying to Victoria, -1, #405 of 1211 🔗

Censorship increased to protect the Covid-19 narrative

Greenmedinfo Deleted from Instagram and Linkedin (Facebook Next?) Has The Great Social Media Purge of 2020 Begun?

114791 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 1, #406 of 1211 🔗

This is happening to many many people now. People I’ve followed on YouTube

Vernon Coleman
Brian Rose- London Real
Dolores Cahill

To name a few.

114807 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #407 of 1211 🔗

Dolores Cahill is due to make a speech tomorrow at outside Holyrood, Edinburgh

115639 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #408 of 1211 🔗

They are just getting started.

114788 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 6, #409 of 1211 🔗

The BBC have just published this piece:

Coronavirus: The US has not reduced its Covid-19 death toll to 6% of total

Personally I wouldn’t trust the BBC to fact check the two times table, so I thought I would take a closer look. They do at least provide a link to the CDC page:


The BBC say: ‘The claim, being amplified by supporters of QAnon conspiracies and others, is only 6% of the total number of people with coronavirus on their death certificate actually died from the virus.’ This is misleading and not true.’

This is what the CSC website says:
Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups.’

Well we are back to the old ‘dying from’ versus ‘dying with’. An average of 2.6 comorbidites sounds like a lot.

Perhaps this is why the BBC is the ‘Bye Bye Corporation’.

114798 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basileus, 6, #410 of 1211 🔗

I think arguing about ‘Covid’ death figures is a waste of time – the numbers are, essentially made up.

Best to look at ‘all cause’ mortality to see the impact of recent infections.

114824 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to RickH, 2, #411 of 1211 🔗

…but all cause mortality includes lockdown deaths, does it not?

114831 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #412 of 1211 🔗

Yes it does, deaths from panic and not being able to access care when needed.

114859 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to wendy, 1, #413 of 1211 🔗

and suicide and stress (the biggest killer)

114873 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #414 of 1211 🔗

Yes – but they will not be significant at the time of the main viral spike in April.

114883 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to RickH, 5, #415 of 1211 🔗

I reckon that the withdrawal of care from the most vulnerable (elderly care homes going into lockdown mode, refused access to hospitals and cut off from all family support networks, suspension of lots of hospital care services if non-covid, gp surgeries shutting their doors etc) would have a pretty immediate impact, personally.

114905 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sally, replying to Mark II, #416 of 1211 🔗

How many of the care home Covid deaths were really Covid? Remember this article from Heneghan and Jefferson: http://archive.vn/4YjeE

114919 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to Sally, 2, #417 of 1211 🔗

Well quite, I imagine a good bunch of them did test positive or had symptoms of Covid-19 (given the symptoms match any range of illnesses) but very much died due to the withdrawal of care for existing issues and abandonment by support.

I also remember a Dr John Lee article in spectator from back in April about death registrations too and who could do them suddenly being changed.

114800 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Basileus, 1, #418 of 1211 🔗

No doubt the BBC can produce the 150,000 post-mortem results proving those deaths were from “It” and not one of the other co-morbidities

114810 ▶▶ Tommo, replying to Basileus, 2, #419 of 1211 🔗

Is it just me – or did this new BBC article seem a little more defensive – as in that the authors seem to be working harder to dismiss the claims of over-reaction?

114835 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Tommo, 4, #420 of 1211 🔗

I was thinking the same. Perhaps there is a sense of threat now and BBC and Guardian are trying to defend. If you don’t have any worries about your position you don’t need to defend it. What would a country be that cannot tolerate other views and opinions. Even conspiracy theories should be able to be tolerated.

BBC on last legs?

114886 ▶▶▶ Mark II, replying to Tommo, 3, #421 of 1211 🔗

Very defensive to the point they’re trying to associate _anyone_ pointing out the difference between _from_ and _with_ deaths as QAnon people.

Their attempt to debunk the claim, actually just confirms exactly what the claim is too, that only 6% of deaths there have been OF Covid…

114858 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basileus, 1, #422 of 1211 🔗

I am thinking of how this kind of copy makes it out. Is there a team of genuinely open minded people taksed with understanding the 6%? They delve into the methodology and find that, on a specific technical point, the debate rests. So they publish an article just to elucidate the knife edge upon which the interpretation of deaths rests.

Or is just a case of “do your job. Throw in mention of Qanon, anti semites and Corbyn if you can”. And a “Yes sir” comes back.

Or maybe its a case of institutional cognitive dissonance, where every such article is just an underlying and unconscious exercise in confirmation bias?

114862 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Basileus, 1, #423 of 1211 🔗

I’d like to know what the comorbidities are

1- a bit overweight
2 – literally going to die any minute

115133 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to steve_w, #424 of 1211 🔗

If you follow the link to the CDC website you will find a table with the details. Sorry, I intended to mention this.

115039 ▶▶ Drawde927, replying to Basileus, #425 of 1211 🔗

I think EthicalSkeptic (twitter) said that the “actual” death toll (those who died of/with Covid and weren’t likely to die within the next few months anyway) is around 28%.

The 6% figure (those who died without co-morbidities) feels a bit like obfuscation/disinformation, such a simplistic interpretation of “of vs with” gives non-sceptics an excuse to dismiss the whole idea completely.

114789 Kev, 4, #426 of 1211 🔗

How about teachers get a 50% pay cut if their school closes for Covid. Will that help them focus on trying to make this utterly ridiculous situation work?

114797 JYC, replying to JYC, 20, #427 of 1211 🔗

I think there is a growing sense of frustration with the lockdown and a realisation that it has been a disproportionate response to a virus which, in overall health terms, is not a serious threat to humanity. But too many people are still too scared to do anything out of line with what the government has dictated. We desperately need some high-profile leadership that is prepared to stand against the impositions. If we had that, I think many of those who simply conform at the moment would be encouraged to question more and actually start doing again what they want to do, all the things that make up normal life.

114840 ▶▶ wendy, replying to JYC, 1, #428 of 1211 🔗

Yes we do but if that person is not the PM then they will be a direct challenge to Boris. Will that mean a change of PM? We can’t count on the opposition to help with this as they seem sold on ZeroCovid.

115640 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to wendy, #429 of 1211 🔗

Starmer is a Zero. Or a Machiavellian.

114842 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to JYC, 6, #430 of 1211 🔗

All we desperately need and are now getting are millions of schoolchildren streaming in and out of schools on public transport, mingling shoulder to shoulder without masks on, or a care in the world. Saw it at 4pm yesterday. The parents will get the message soon enough- nothing to worry about any more.

114889 ▶▶▶ JYC, replying to Bruno, #431 of 1211 🔗

I hope you’re right, but we’re not seeing that in Scotland.

114803 Basics, replying to Basics, #432 of 1211 🔗
114809 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Basics, 5, #433 of 1211 🔗

These people would have served the Tonton Macoutes, the NKVD or the Gestapo, and done so with a clear conscience. They are fascist totalitarians.

114811 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Basics, 2, #434 of 1211 🔗

Horrific, hope those who smashed their way in get it back soon, because the tide will turn.

114845 ▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Basics, 1, #435 of 1211 🔗

That has made me ill. What f-ing, fascists low-life scum.

114899 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Basics, 12, #436 of 1211 🔗

what is scary is the number of posts saying he got what he deserves …

They should consider the words of Martin Niemoller

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

114805 jakehadlee, replying to jakehadlee, 17, #437 of 1211 🔗

Not entirely relevant to this post, but just to express my relief that there is a place where the middle ground between “we’re all going to die” and “it’s the illuminati” can be discussed.

I have argued since the pandemic was still just an epidemic that the danger to most people was vastly over-estimated and that the reaction was likely to be more damaging than the disease.

I was a BBC news editor at the time of the Bird Flu outbreak and I fought hard, but unsuccessfully, for my particular branch of the BBC (Online News) to tone down its coverage at the time as it was hugely sensationalised. I recognised a pattern emerging from the start here – where media hungry for traffic would create a level of panic that would make the public pressure governments into dangerous over-reaction. In this case, the over-reaction has had much more damaging results due to its scale.

And even leaving aside the numbers of dead from global poverty and the diversion of funding from tackling genuine long-term health emergencies like Malaria, HIV/Aids and TB, the biggest damage is from the distrust it will create in science.

When – as we will have to – the world is asked to make serious financial sacrifice to tackle the risk of global warming or face catastrophe, we can hardly claim to be surprised when the answer from too many people is “isn’t that what you said about Covid 19?”

114841 ▶▶ watashi, replying to jakehadlee, 5, #438 of 1211 🔗

Yes, if you think global warming is something to worry about and not just something
created to aid their whole agenda.

114887 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to watashi, 4, #439 of 1211 🔗

2 sides of the same scam to usher in a new age of political control over every area of our lives.This one is better for them as it has the immediacy of fear.10 years to save the planet just doesn’t cut it

114902 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to watashi, 2, #440 of 1211 🔗

See my discussion earlier with Basics, regarding the Climate Change narrative and the early 2000s.

114909 ▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to watashi, 6, #441 of 1211 🔗

I do think it’s something to worry about, but you don’t have to and my point is general: if you cry wolf over one thing you can’t expect to be listened to on another even if that point (whatever it is) is correct.

114846 ▶▶ wendy, replying to jakehadlee, 7, #442 of 1211 🔗

Perhaps I have been naive because until this I had no idea a government paid so much attention to the media. They are the elected government not the media! For me it has made Boris look terribly weak but then I have wanted him to go in the other direction. Masks were the final straw for me!

114892 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to wendy, 2, #443 of 1211 🔗

The government has used the media to instil fear in the populace.It seems as if they are reacting to media pressure but they created it in the first place, so they can respond to it

114904 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #444 of 1211 🔗

Agree with that, and note several of the Cabinet and the advisers have worked in the media (Boris, Gove, Cummings – sure there are more but they are collectively so unmemorable!)

115643 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #445 of 1211 🔗

They know the tricks of the trade.

115032 ▶▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #446 of 1211 🔗

It does feel to me like the government and SAGE’s “project fear” has ended up creating an out-of-control monster of public and media opinion, which they now feel forced to appease and follow. But I’m sure they could do a lot more to alleviate the fear if they genuinely wanted to!

115304 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #447 of 1211 🔗

PROBLEM-REACTION-SOLUTION the oldest trick in the book of power hungry psychopaths

114915 ▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to wendy, 9, #448 of 1211 🔗

They were terrified of being wrong and then being blamed for deaths. So they listened to the most alarmist advice they were given, especially when they saw other countries doing it. Sweden is a great example of scientists doing what they should (giving varying assessments of risk based on facts) and government doing what it should (shaping policy based on a calm assessment of facts and balancing one risk against another) It might have been seen as taking a chance by Boris etc, which they were afraid to do, but it was actually a rational decision and Sweden has now “won” Coronavirus.

It’s not too late for Boris to do the same (well it is, but better late than never). Listen to WHO Special Envoy Dr David Nabarro on the subject of why we should all copy Sweden “I want us to learn to get used to living with this virus without hoping for a vaccine, because I’m really nervous that the world will go into some kind of suspended animation for a long period of time,”

114856 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to jakehadlee, 8, #449 of 1211 🔗

Sweden got it right because their response was – uniquely – run by scientists. Every other country had politicians in charge and they are a) morons b) advised by the civil service (also morons) c) beholden to the media (absolute morons)

114871 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to steve_w, 2, #450 of 1211 🔗

Actually you could equally argue, and many do, that our government got it wrong because the UK response was too heavily influenced by scientists and epidemiologists rather than by economists and social historians.

114881 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Bruno, 2, #451 of 1211 🔗

Or the fact that they ignored the sage committee and went for lockdown anyway

114865 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to jakehadlee, 4, #452 of 1211 🔗

‘media hungry for traffic would create a level of panic that would make the public pressure governments into dangerous over-reaction’.
But the public weren’t panicking, we were happy to go to Cheltenham, the football etc.
Our government, along with many others, panicked. We weren’t pressuring it.
And now, it is not listening to the facts and evidence being freely debated in its own select committees!
Instead it is being buffeted about aimlessly. It is following ridiculous will- o’- the -whisps like test and trace everyone, once a week, let’s expand our domestic pharma industry by engaging in the arms race for a viable vaccine, and let’s spend £10Bn on some creepy GCHQ/NHS Joint Bio Security Centre. Money swashing about everywhere, on the assumption that they know better than we do what’s good for us.

115147 ▶▶▶ jakehadlee, replying to Bruno, 2, #453 of 1211 🔗

Some of the public were sensible, a lot unfortunately panicked, and are still panicking. So much for British Keep Calm and Carry On which has been shown up for the bullshit it always was.

It does interest me how easy it was to find hundreds of billions to pay for the lock-down when the world collectively has always been unable to find the relatively meagre $60bn additional funding that would eradicate an actual global killer, malaria.

Could it be anything to do with the different value put on lives in the west and in the developing world? No of course not, I’m too much a cynic sometimes.

115497 ▶▶▶▶ Bartleby, replying to jakehadlee, 1, #454 of 1211 🔗

I think there’s a lot of truth in what you say Jake. Robert Peston for example completely over-reacted in the most sensational way to an idea about ‘herd immunity’ and in doing so created a news agenda that quickly became an extremist panic with words such as ‘blood on their hands’ and people actually talking about any type of herd immunity strategy as genocide.

Regardless of whatever the initial policy thinking was, it soon became evident that the loudest and most extreme reactions drove the agenda, not because they were right, but because the UK government feared how this could be played for the next 20 to 30 years by the political opposition.

I argued in a discussion forum post on here that this is a somewhat serious disease which has been hijacked and used by all sorts of vested self-interest groups to further lots of agendas.

The politicisation of this disease has been the ruin of many of us. I watched some of the US democratic party’s virtual conference output for example, and the twisting of covid fact and narrative to blame Trump was pretty staggering, and I’m saying that as someone who thinks Trump is a moron.

Likewise in the UK, despite many things we all should be massively angry about, care homes, decisions taken to turn the NHS in to a single issue health service, loss of liberty and freedom, the development of a police state and so on, the issue which got the biggest amount of air-time and appeared to generate the most anger was the idiot Cummings driving to various locations.

114808 Muzz Off, replying to Muzz Off, #455 of 1211 🔗

Fellow skeptics – looking for you podcast recommendations! Finding that I’m not getting enough of a fix just from London Calling, Delingpod and UK column news. So many others I used to listen to have been far too wet on covid…

114944 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Muzz Off, 2, #456 of 1211 🔗

The No Agenda Podcast. They’ve done a fantastic job on COVID-sceptism as well as other hot topic political issues.

115066 ▶▶▶ Muzz Off, replying to Mark H, #457 of 1211 🔗

Fantastic thanks, will check it out!

115214 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Muzz Off, 1, #458 of 1211 🔗

Mark Windows. Windows on the World.

115648 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mark H, #459 of 1211 🔗

Will give it a whirl.

115208 ▶▶ Cbird, replying to Muzz Off, #460 of 1211 🔗

The Richie Allen Show, Triggernometry, The Independent Republic of Mike Graham on Talk Radio, Escape from Lockdown, the Carl Vernon Podcast, Planet Normal. Not all exclusively covid, and many contain swearing

115649 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cbird, #461 of 1211 🔗

Love the swearing occasionally.

115647 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Muzz Off, #462 of 1211 🔗

Richie Allen Show, Triggernometry, Unherd, Spiro Skouras, Culture something or other – New Culture Forum, Vernon Coleman, Old man in a chair, Dominic Frisby, Simon Dolan… Check all the people that Delingpole has interviewed, many of them have their own podcasts, etc.

114812 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #463 of 1211 🔗

Since 1st July there have been 238 854 C-19 cases and 871 C-19 deaths in Spain. CFR=0,36% which is almost the name as IFR. There is something seriously wrong here, as true CFR cannot be the same as IFR. There must be overcounting of C-19 cases. In the middle of May, C-19 cases also includes serology results with IgM pos . They are probably a small fraction but still distort the figures. Then we have the false positive rate which would reduce the cases further but the main distortion is the enormous numbers of asymptomatic cases, perhaps 70%, where many could be just a previous acute infection weeks earlier with fragments of non-transmissible virus, now stamped as acute C-19 case.
You would think that hospitalizations, ICU or deaths should be more reliable but that is not the case.
If you follow the link above you can see the disastrous data incompetence from Spain making it very difficult to interpret the figures.
In the first page you have indications that 100 000 PCR tests were pos the last 2 weeks. But only 22800 (less than 23 %) has symptoms the last 14 days i.e. 77% obviously asymptomatic
In the second page you have patients admitted to hospitals within the last 7 days, 1853 and of them 144 admitted to ICU and 191 deaths. If you use the 2 week’s figures of symptomatic, this will give less than 10% of symptomatic admitted and of them 8% admitted to ICU. But is that correct?
We don’t know whether they have been hospitalized for CLI (covid-19 like illness) or they are hospitalized for something else and just screened C-19 pos. This could also occur in ICU, as I suspect massive screening of all admitted is possibly happening. An RTA in ICU with screening pos PCR is a ICU C-19 case. Any statistics not assessing if hospital/ICU is CLI related or not, is useless as we have massive screening of everyone in hospitals inflating the figures. On page 3 they have done a whopping almost 600 000 tests during the last week in this mad mass screening. Then the exact number 3rd Sept, 7194 hospitalized patients in Spain and 930 in ICU but only 6% of all hospital beds occupied by C-19. One also see 1067 patients admitted with C-19 but also 810 discharged on that day.
On page 4 more confusion. In the blue staples you see in light blue suspected cases in primary care and dark blue suspected cases in hospitals, showing predominance in primary cases of C-19. Below they have light green asymptomatic date of diagnosis and dark green symptomatic much lower.
On page 5 deaths of C-19. Striking, not an exponential increase but haphazardly ups and downs, probably a reporting artefact.
On page 10 some new statistics, not seen in previous reports, of cases per 100 000. In primary care and in hospitals.
In short complete chaotic information. The mad mass testing just distort information. But I think there are really active cases occurring in Spain. This cannot be a surprise as the hard lockdown in Spain just delayed cases which are now occurring. The inept Spanish government has excluded a new national lockdown but local harassment of population occurs with the odd disco,nightclubs closed etc .And the paramilitary force in some regions going around at cafes and requiring clients to put on the masks after finishing the cortado. Farcial. The population all embrace face nappies (and the more primitive you are, the more acceptance of this). But in Spain (and most Mediterranean countries) social distancing does not occur in everyday life after the fierce lockdown ceased. They can limit discos, large events etc but in the normal life people and families meet now frequently. And thinking that face nappies work, there is practically no social distancing.
Mass testing is a disaster instead of a clinical case-oriented detection. And you need reliable hospital, ICU and death detection and exclude all nosocomial detection of cases/hospitalisations etc. Face nappies must have contributed substantially to the spread, which was inevitable after the stringent disastrous lockdown.

114878 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to swedenborg, 1, #464 of 1211 🔗

Mass testing is only a disaster if it’s interpreted as mass dangerous infection about to lead to serious illness, possibly death.
If it were interpreted as ‘ there’s a lot of it about ‘ (you can actually detect virons on a paw paw if you try hard enough), just as well most of us are getting a cheap route to immunity without vaccination, things would be different.

115231 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Bruno, #465 of 1211 🔗

This is a disaster for the Spanish people if fgiures are inflated and scaring off tourists.Canaries had 80% reduction of tourists in July and their economy almost 40 % tourist related.But I’ve just posted a new blogpost as there is now evidence of corruption and regional governments being paid money for tests,ICUs,hospitalization etc. Money ordinary people won’t see much of in their pockets.

114813 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 3, #466 of 1211 🔗

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114980 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Major Panic, 1, #467 of 1211 🔗

JP’s done a streak of similar videos over the past few days. This one is entertaining as well: https://youtu.be/RGxbaxviRVw

115650 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to ConstantBees, #468 of 1211 🔗

Anyone here remember streaking for a free pair of jeans?

115081 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Major Panic, 1, #469 of 1211 🔗


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114819 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Old Bill, 1, #471 of 1211 🔗

Hilarious – but sadly, quite accurate!

114821 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Old Bill, 6, #472 of 1211 🔗

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115653 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Kev, #473 of 1211 🔗

Officially sanctioned by the PM.

115652 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Old Bill, #474 of 1211 🔗

Reads like a drug advert on CNN.

114825 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 1, #475 of 1211 🔗

How do you like your boiled eggs?

114830 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Steeve, 2, #476 of 1211 🔗

To quote the old Dean Martin and Helen O’Connell song (and how many readers will remember this I ask myself?)

I like mine with a kiss!

114838 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Harry hopkins, #477 of 1211 🔗


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114852 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #479 of 1211 🔗

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114826 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 9, #480 of 1211 🔗

It’s very simple: Cui bono?!
China used the virus to lure the rest of the world with faked pictures and numbers into their suicidal lockdowns.
And as that is the last thing our elites can and will ever admit, we are where we are and will remain for many years now.

114837 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Jay Berger, 8, #481 of 1211 🔗

One of the most worrying aspects is that not one Cabinet minister or senior minister has resigned over lockdown measures and other responses, which means they are all complicit and supportive, it would seem.

IDS and David Davies, and a few others have spoken out against it.

Also, on this one issue, would Labour have been any worse? We might at least have had some robust opposition, but then maybe not!

Even Farage seems supportive of the measures, so no help from him!

114848 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Kev, 13, #482 of 1211 🔗

Apart from Gove who has gone very, very, very quiet as has the honourable member for the 18th century… Brady’s intervention yesterday was a serious shot across The Johnson’s bow as well…

114901 ▶▶▶▶ tonys, replying to Will, 5, #483 of 1211 🔗

Agreed, Gove’s silence and Raab’s come to that is starting to become deafening.

114850 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Kev, 1, #484 of 1211 🔗

Boris overruled Sage advice and locked down – but probably against his liberal instincts. Labour would have locked down with relish

114854 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to steve_w, 7, #485 of 1211 🔗

Boris has a liberal instinct?

114857 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to steve_w, 11, #486 of 1211 🔗

You have stars in your eyes. Johnson has only one instinct – Johnson, his narcissism and his pecker.

I agree that Starmer would have been no better, given his record as the alternative establishment choice.

114874 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to steve_w, 8, #487 of 1211 🔗

Boris is a libertine not a liberal

114898 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to steve_w, 4, #488 of 1211 🔗

Not sure you can conclude definitively what Sage advice was (the public has only seen ‘minutes of minutes’) or indeed, who was pushing for what and when. Somebody/bodies solicited the Ferguson death model, and provided the dataset. Who was that, why was it solicited and when? If there was ever to be a full inquiry (doubtful) then all email traffic in and out of certain personal accounts from 1 January 2020 need to be seized. The list is obvious, and includes several on ‘also ran’ SAGE and editorial staff at various ‘scientific’ journals. All bank accounts also need to be trawled for anomalies. From what I understand, Boris, a lazy man with a shambolic private life, only considered the summary notes of SAGE meetings prepared by Cummings and then made the decision to lockdown. If this is true, it is a complete dereliction of duty. Any minister who believes/knows this to be the case, is equally guilty of malfeasance/maladministration.

114917 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #489 of 1211 🔗

If there is a minuted account of the decision to take us into lockdown that will be safely filed away under the official secrets act for 50 years

114927 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #490 of 1211 🔗

Agree. From my own experience in The National Archives, working on an unrelated project, I would say the SAGE minutes released have been ‘prepared’ in full knowledge they would end up in the public domain. The declassified files in TNA contain all manner of pre-meeting memoranda, file notes, hand-written sidebar comments on official documents, inter-departmental chatter. Unless ordered by subpeona, they will not see the light of day for 50 years.

114931 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #491 of 1211 🔗

Pre meetings. And where pre meetings didn’t happen simply say it was all done without record keeping of key decisions that caused a depression and killed people. At least that’s how it works north of Carlisle.

114940 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #492 of 1211 🔗

Pandemic modelling is ongoing, goes way back. Don’t think they needed to commission any special datasets, just get the model running on data coming out of China, and elsewhere, to get some sense of upper and lower limits.There’s been explicit recognition already that the Imperial model (and not the only one by a long chalk) was too based on flu pandemic modelling, where age cohorts were more evenly afflicted across the board. Fair enough until you know better – which became apparent pretty soon.
Again, all this was being discussed in select committee months ago. But not getting through to Johnson, Hancock, Cummings. Too hard for them to backtrack, as someone else has just posted. Especially for Johnson, old Etonian. First rule of survival in all male public school- never explain, never apologise, double down and shout louder to win an argument, which is much more important than being right.

114975 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Bruno, #493 of 1211 🔗

There’s a timeline between 24 January and 16 March when there was a lot going on in the background, including early sequencing of the virus genome. A specific dataset was provided by either China directly or via the WHO, from what I recall (it might even be referenced in the 30 March Lancet pre-print paper). Still much in this period we don’t know enough about in my view. The ICL team has experience of non-flu modelling, and at this stage, it was known to be a coronavirus not a flu virus.

115053 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to steve_w, 2, #494 of 1211 🔗

imagine if Corbyn was PM and locked down you would have a Corbyn in Downing st and another outside protesting the lockdown

114867 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Kev, #495 of 1211 🔗

IDS and David Davis have poked around at the periphery, nothing more.

Labour under Corbyn MAY have been better than the PM – less spineless, with a brother to set him straight….and the Tories may have opposed for the sake of it, or not

114934 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Julian, 1, #496 of 1211 🔗

It would have been McDonnell, more than Corbyn making the decisions. Corbyn was the front. Yes I expect they would have been better than the PM post illness.

114942 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to nottingham69, #497 of 1211 🔗

Probably. Anneliese Dodds is out of the same stable as Sunak, doubt she’d be doing anything much different.

115645 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Julian, #498 of 1211 🔗

Not sure Labour under Corbyn would have done a lot, imo – bear in mind Corbyn (essentially) ran on, among other things, slacking border security & broadening EU integration. In the past, any sign of trouble, I never really saw him stand up to anything at all; terror, crime, death on the streets, it was all “don’t be mean, don’t look back in anger”; man runs amok with a machette, “please don’t say mean things online,” As Public leadership figures go, I would say probably a decent enough guy if you sat down over a cup of tea (an activity which I probably would steer clear of if I ever saw Putin in a cafe), but I highly doubt he would have been the go-to-guy in an international crisis… just my $0.02

114847 ▶▶ Will, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #499 of 1211 🔗

The question is whether useful idiots like Ferguson are idiots or on the take from the Chinese. I am sure it is the former, but what fools our politicians are, outside of Sweden, to have fallen for such an easy swindle. However Jay, I do, politely disagree on the timescale. Call me a hopeless optimist, but I think the tide of opinion is changing with an increasing number of people beginning to question whether or not the emperor is actually wearing any clothes. When there is no spike in the autumn I don’t think even the government, BBC and Guardian will be able to keep the fear going.

114926 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Will, 4, #500 of 1211 🔗

You know who –

WHO 4.3 Billion
Imperial College 280 Million
Oxford University 243 Million
Pro Chris Wittey 40 Million
BBC Media Action 53 Million
CDC 155 Million
GAVI 3 Billion
Johns Hopkins 870 Million
NIH (Fauci) 18 Million

115086 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to PastImperfect, #501 of 1211 🔗

£300 million to £1 billion to the Ross Fund in co-operation with the UK Government.

115669 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PastImperfect, #502 of 1211 🔗

Some of the Johns Hopkins dough comes from ex NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg. There is a Public Health there in his name.

114851 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #503 of 1211 🔗

You are right that – as always – ‘Cui bono?’ is a key question.

But I don’t think that there is one ‘bono’ – there’s a range of overlapping motivations that have been harnessed,from the way in which some government shills in fields like epidemiology and virology relish the limelight and the power to pontificate (rather than do real science) to the global level of massive corporate financial interests.

115670 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to RickH, #504 of 1211 🔗

Also U2’s Bono and Sonny Bono.

114863 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #505 of 1211 🔗

By ‘China’ you actually mean the tyrannical CCP that currently holds the people of China hostage. Its quite likely that the CCP was invented and installed and is controlled by the very same puppet masters as now are in complete control our government.

114882 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #506 of 1211 🔗

Perhaps no surprise that northern Italy was the first Western country to follow suit, given the Belt and Road funding of that area (textile transplant)?

115148 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jay Berger, #507 of 1211 🔗

170,000 CCP accounts on Twitter removed just a few weeks ago, and this is only the tip of the iceberg. These accounts were used to shape policy around COVID-19, stoking the BLM fires, dictating mask policy, pushing zero covid, etc.

114828 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 3, #508 of 1211 🔗

If you ever doubted what this was all about you should read this:


Or if RT offends you and you want to hear it from a government source then this:


114868 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Old Bill, 2, #509 of 1211 🔗

It always amazes me that anyone thinks Blair has any credibilty, his finances need delving into

115638 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #510 of 1211 🔗

George Galloway took a shot, a few years ago. Documentary called “the Killings of Tony Blair.” Suffice to say his finances are not insignificant – a large £25 mill+ property portfolio, at least. Consulting & speaking fees well into 6 figures from all sorts, China, middle East, millions in consulting every year from JP Morgan, whom Blair did deals for in Libya. Incidentally, after the fall of Gadaffi, it was rumoured that in the region of several hundred million was pulled out of Gadaffi accounts & investments into the coffers of JP Morgan …

114833 Dan Clarke, 8, #511 of 1211 🔗

So many naive and gullible people around, the WHO director general has already told them “its not about a virus, its about changing society”, they just don’t want to listen.

114836 Suitejb, replying to Suitejb, 12, #512 of 1211 🔗

“Every person at the gym just worked out what made sense and took sane precautions”.
Yes! We can do this perfectly well. A colleague was telling me about the complicated drop off system in place at her children’s junior school. Parents and children ended up in a bottleneck near one classroom door! If left to their own devices parents would behave sensibly and manage fine.

114894 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Suitejb, 3, #513 of 1211 🔗

The people who make these systems understand them! – we went to the swimming baths a couple of weeks ago and about 10 of us looked at each other and said “How do we get out”

114843 Kev, replying to Kev, 15, #514 of 1211 🔗

BBC announce (with some pleasure no doubt) the closure of a school in Staffordshire, due to one confirmed case of Covid.

This country is doomed

114864 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Kev, 5, #515 of 1211 🔗

This only has to happen a few times and people might realise it’s all unworkable bollocks.

114866 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Two-Six, 1, #516 of 1211 🔗

Have to keep some hope I guess but if they have not realised its unworkable bollocks already…

114870 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Kev, 1, #517 of 1211 🔗


114876 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to RickH, 1, #518 of 1211 🔗

Their words not mine.

Incidents have become cases it seems, maybe cases have a more scary conotation to some very meekk and gullible souls.

114875 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Kev, 3, #519 of 1211 🔗

This is all because there is a vacuum of leadership. There are no clear instructions to schools so they all have different policies. Without clear policy or reassurance on what to do in each case schools (and insurance companies as someone pointed out yesterday) will inevitably go for the least risky option which of course is just send everyone home.

114880 ▶▶ mjr, replying to MaxPower, 1, #521 of 1211 🔗

someone had posted a link to the Daily Mail earlier but it is impossible to see anything on that site because of the adverts, so this cleaner site is better

114872 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, #522 of 1211 🔗

Hi all

Which MPs do you think have “had a good war” so far? Doesn’t matter which party.


114879 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Lockdown Truth, 6, #523 of 1211 🔗

Not one in the UK.

You could argue from her pespective wee Nicola Sturgeon has had a blinder, she leads and Boris follows obediently behind, usually with a short and utterly inexplicable delay.

114929 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Lockdown Truth, 9, #524 of 1211 🔗

None. A few have spoken up recently – Baker, Brady, Swayne, some others. But too little, too late.

115031 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Julian, 2, #525 of 1211 🔗

I once thought highly of Steve Baker and Mogg but even their halos are tarnished by their silence throughout this episode.

115671 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bella Donna, #526 of 1211 🔗

Maybe they’ve been muzzled?

115752 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Bella Donna, #527 of 1211 🔗

More than tarnished, gone

115047 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Lockdown Truth, 2, #528 of 1211 🔗

Not one. All culpable by their silence.

Few muttered incoherently into there sleeves but none of them stuck their necks out.

115051 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Lockdown Truth, #529 of 1211 🔗

I don’t know. Jesse Norman did ask about a cost/benefit analysis re the lockdown.

114877 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 24, #530 of 1211 🔗

I could tell you a very funny joke about covid but most of you won’t get it.

114966 ▶▶ John P, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 3, #531 of 1211 🔗

It took you six months to come up with that? I told by brother in law that gag before the lockdown.

115022 ▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to John P, 7, #532 of 1211 🔗

If you get a joke but don’t laugh, does that make it asymptomatic?

115055 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Drawde927, 3, #533 of 1211 🔗

Cue the non infectious laughter.

114884 Lockdown_Lunacy, 16, #534 of 1211 🔗

Just took my daughter for her first morning at infant school. Other than some hand washing and a different entrance, no strange dystopian measures in place. Teachers and parents behaving normally and conversing at standard distances. Very good.

114888 mjr, replying to mjr, 20, #535 of 1211 🔗

Here is Denise Welch on This Morning
She gets a little emotional but she puts the sceptic case very well

114895 ▶▶ tonys, replying to mjr, 11, #536 of 1211 🔗

She is emerging as a real hero, who would have thought it.

114918 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to tonys, 8, #537 of 1211 🔗

A Geordie lass – like Carole Malone, who gave both barrels on Sky paper review last week!

114964 ▶▶ John P, replying to mjr, 4, #538 of 1211 🔗

What’s wrong with getting “a little emotional”?

114976 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to John P, 5, #539 of 1211 🔗

I feel pretty damn emotional about this all the time!

114979 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to ConstantBees, 3, #540 of 1211 🔗

As do I !

114989 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #541 of 1211 🔗

Yep, up and down with anger and sadness

115029 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to John P, #542 of 1211 🔗

I get extremely emotional when confronted with stupid TV presenters!

115077 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to John P, 1, #543 of 1211 🔗

nothing — i admire her passion.. but it did mean that fat Eamon could tell her to “calm down” and some of the tweets made adverse comments about her shouting and being emotional so unfortunately from a purely PR view it would have been better had she been a little more composed.

115027 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to mjr, 8, #544 of 1211 🔗

Denise was 100 percent correct in all she said. What a pity those two brain dead sheep presenting the programme had to try and denigrate her. Once they referred to her opinions as being right wing they fully lost the plot! Well done Denise!

115140 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #545 of 1211 🔗

Yes, she was brilliant.

114890 TJN, replying to TJN, 6, #546 of 1211 🔗

Apologies if this has been posted before, but it appears to me that it may be of significance.

Mrs TJN and I has just received guidance on how our daughter’s primary school will be approaching the potential problem (small, I know) of virus spread in school. It quotes a letter from Yvonne Doyle, (the Medical Director and Director of Health Protection, Public Health England) and Susan Hopkins, (the Interim Chief Medical Adviser of NHS Test and Trace).

A bit of a haul I know, but here’s the text (my emphasis):

The Department for Education has worked closely with Public Health England (PHE) and NHS Test and Trace to ensure that we are doing all we can to minimise the potential risks of spread. A key part of this is the appropriate use of testing to help identify people who are positive and subsequently their contacts. We have made testing available throughout the country and anyone with symptoms can book a test online or over the telephone through 119 to get the certainty they need to protect themselves and those around them.
Crucial to our overall support for schools and colleges is ensuring that everyone with coronavirus symptoms has access to a test as soon as they develop those symptoms. It is vital that we learn from the recent Scottish experience, where the return of schools saw a huge increase in demand for tests from people without coronavirus symptoms. We want to avoid a similar surge in test demand as England’s schools and colleges return to ensure that we continue to prioritise our testing capacity for those with symptoms and to avoid children, students and their families self-isolating unnecessarily .
To ensure we identify those with coronavirus while avoiding a huge increase in demand for tests from people without coronavirus symptoms, we ask that you recommend to your pupils, students and staff who feel unwell, that they get tested if:
they develop one or more of the main coronavirus symptoms:
a high temperature
a new, continuous cough
the loss or change of their sense of taste or smell, or
they are recommended to get tested by a healthcare provider (e.g. GP or nurse)
If a pupil, student or staff member develops one or more of the main coronavirus symptoms described above, only they should be tested . There is no need for their households to have a test, unless they are also symptomatic. Unless a pupil, student or staff member has one of the three main coronavirus symptoms, they should only be tested if instructed otherwise by the local authority, health protection team or their GP . As schools and colleges across England return, pupils and students may feel unwell for example with a sore throat, stomach upset or a headache. These pupils and students don’t need to book a test but may need to stay off school or college and seek medical advice through their GP or pharmacist as usual.

Maybe I’m being overly optimistic, but what I take from this is that they are aware that mass random testing will throw up lots of ‘cases’, which aren’t actually cases at all, leading to unnecessary measures to combat a ‘surge’ in the virus – in this case closing schools.

It seems to go against the ethos of what Hancock was saying yesterday (Radio 4, Today) about ramping up testing, blah blah blah.  (But I’m not sure that Hancock is in control or even aware of what’s going on is his own department.)

But has someone with government, or at least the Civil Service, started to see sense at last? Have they realised the damage that is being done, and that they can’t carry on as they have been doing?

Schools seem now to be the central battleground.

114907 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to TJN, #547 of 1211 🔗

Too early to say, I think. Perhaps the authors of the letter were influenced by knowledge that we’d be back to people being told to travel 100+ miles to a test centre. There are still plenty of people screaming for weekly testing of pupils and staff who will be right behind mh.

114936 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #548 of 1211 🔗

Yes, maybe too early to say. But their job titles do suggest there are involved in actual strategy rather than being bumptious officials making it up as they are going along.

Of course, the mob is still screaming – doesn’t it always – but it is invariably screaming for yesterday’s whatever – it never anticipates events.

I get the increasing feeling that Hancock isn’t central to events any more, even if he ever was.

114945 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to TJN, 2, #549 of 1211 🔗

Certainly hope you’re right!

114950 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to TJN, 1, #550 of 1211 🔗

Very interesting TJN, thank you! most especially the bit you don’t highlight, that ‘There is no need for their households to have a test, unless they are also symptomatic’! In other words, for goodness sake don’t get tested, we don’t want the whole workforce going back to 14 days quarantine!
Why is this advice not being issued wholesale to all parents, schools, I wonder?

114984 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bruno, 1, #551 of 1211 🔗

Well I didn’t want to highlight all of it!

I’m guessing that all English schools will have had a copy of this (although presumably not all will have copied it on to parents).

When I read it, aside from the step back on random testing, I was struck the nuance and tone. It’s as if something has changed – a bellweather maybe, or maybe my wishful thinking.

It will be interesting to see if more government documents and statement like this emerge over the coming days and weeks.

114988 ▶▶ wendy, replying to TJN, 1, #552 of 1211 🔗

I was just looking at the Gov website about who should get a test and it says only if you have symptoms. So where is all this push to get everyone tested coming from?

115012 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to wendy, #553 of 1211 🔗

The push is coming from the troublemakers on the Left who are doing all they can to embarrass the government, not that its too difficult to do.

115083 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Bella Donna, #554 of 1211 🔗

Bizarre comment, I saw Matt Hancock waxing mightily enthusiastic about this with my very own eyes yesterday.

115084 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Bruno, #555 of 1211 🔗

And Jeremy Hunt.

115037 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to wendy, #556 of 1211 🔗

Mixed messages – who’d have thought it.

Only yesterday Hancock was on about mass testing – moonshot – as it’s know in the current jargon. Here he is on Today, Radio 4, yesterday:


His words appear totally, diametrically at odds with that PHE/NHS T&T letter I’ve quoted above, which is why I was so surprised to read it this morning.

He’s on about mass testing of non-symptomatic people (@ 8 mins on), every few days, as a preventative measure through which restrictions can be lifted.

115672 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to TJN, 1, #557 of 1211 🔗

First they propose an extreme measure. People object. Then they tone it down a little. Mission accomplished. Like the Australia PM just did the other day.

115008 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TJN, 1, #558 of 1211 🔗

Respond with its a virus and you cannot stop it spreading

115145 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Bella Donna, #559 of 1211 🔗

Yes, although such detail technical complexities and arcana are beyond them.

115035 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to TJN, #560 of 1211 🔗

We’ve just had the same update – first encouraging message that’s come through.

115050 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to bucky99, #561 of 1211 🔗

Where abouts are you, if you don’t mind me asking? We’re in Deepest Devon.

115054 ▶▶▶▶ bucky99, replying to TJN, #562 of 1211 🔗

West Mids – primary school emailed out the exact same message. I’d been expecting mass tests at the first sign of a cough, but (and I’m not holding out that much hope) fingers crossed they’ve seen sense.

115065 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to bucky99, #563 of 1211 🔗

Yes, we expected regular testing of our little one, which we we’re going to refuse. To my mind, they can test her once over the winter, and that’s it. Mrs TJN says not even that. We can argue about that between ourselves.

We’ve been told to wear masks when dropping her off (she’s 4). We’ve said no. So we’ve been told we have to drop her off a few minutes late to avoid everyone. To tell the truth, I do have some sympathy with the schools in how they’ve been let down by government; but they don’t help themselves.

115099 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TJN, #564 of 1211 🔗

Don’t let her get tested unless it’s a blood test. I think getting a young child swabbed is potentially dangerous probably more dangerous in a female as the bones are smaller and thinner.

I think mashing a long cotton bud around in that area at the base of the brain/roof of the nasal cavity may well have long term health effects.

The area they attempt to swab is I understand a very thin membrane over a porous and very delicate bone structure with many delicate but absolutely crucial nerves running through the holes into the base of the brain.

I could be a little wrong about this but this is what I understand to be the case.

I think the risk of infections, nerve damage and other weird unforeseen things might happen. Don’t do it. They will also get her DNA apparently.

115111 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Two-Six, 1, #565 of 1211 🔗

I agree – there’s got to be some small risk with nasal swabs.

115136 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Two-Six, 1, #566 of 1211 🔗

Ok, that’s it – I’m with Mrs TJN. I can use this generous concession by myself to get a concession off her some time.

115464 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to TJN, #568 of 1211 🔗

This is music to my ears. I m still battling with my daughter’s new school about their plan to test all students.

115732 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Sophie123, #569 of 1211 🔗

Presumably you can quote the letter now – and even demand to see a copy of it.

114893 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 8, #570 of 1211 🔗


So is this how society can get around the dangerous issue of a person not wearing a mask and not having to justify their medical condition? Simply report them for ‘coughing’ at other passengers, and they cannot defend themselves. And if they resist being thrown off the train, they’re ‘assaulting’ the policeman.

114970 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #571 of 1211 🔗

Also appears in the Daily Mail. Unusually, no comments allowed. I wonder why(!)


Hope the officer is appropriately punished, but it will probably be said to be a “training issue.” In the Daily Mail version, some of the other passengers tried to stand up for the man who was assaulted.

As someone who exercises my right to a mask exemption every day, this is chilling news. Apparently, I can be thrown off transport and/or assaulted.

114997 ▶▶▶ MaxPower, replying to ConstantBees, 8, #572 of 1211 🔗

He’s been charged by British Transport Police with assaulting an officer….

Disgusting they could get away with this – they’ve broken the law

115005 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to MaxPower, #573 of 1211 🔗

Surely someone recorded this, there’s usually someone about!

115069 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to MaxPower, 4, #574 of 1211 🔗

It reminds me of an incident the BBC filmed a year or two ago. Before walking into a facial recognition trial zone in London, a man pulled his scarf up over his face. The police took exception to it (the irony!) and pulled him over to hassle him. He reacted angrily, so they charged him with disorderly behaviour and fined him £90. The thing is, they couldn’t charge him with covering his face as that isn’t illegal – just as it isn’t illegal now to choose to not cover your face.


115020 ▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to ConstantBees, #575 of 1211 🔗

Sub judice – the publishers cannot allow comments without laying themselves open to contempt proceedings.

115049 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #576 of 1211 🔗

BTP twitter is fascinating. A few police supporters – the usual “if you dont do as youre told”. Most tweets are anti police
BTP statement
“A man has been charged with threatening behaviour and assaulting a police officer on a Merseyrail train to Liverpool Lime Street station. The incident happened at around 3.20pm on Wednesday 2 September.
Officers had responded to a report of a man coughing at two passengers.
Anthony B, 34, of XXXXXXXXXX, will appear at Liverpool and Knowsley Magistrates’ Court on Wednesday 6 January 2021”.

To appear in 4 months!!!

One of the tweets provided this ….:)

115206 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to mjr, 5, #578 of 1211 🔗

Simon Dolan is now in touch with Anthony.

114908 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 17, #579 of 1211 🔗

Dr Malcol Kendrick shows the biggest mistake in the modern world about Covid: https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/09/04/covid-why-terminology-really-matters/

In other words its all a massive screw up by people not doing their sums properly and than all the politicians being unable to count.

115100 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #580 of 1211 🔗

A great article. A number of us were saying the denominator was out from the start because the IFR was entirely unknown.

115198 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Cicatriz, 1, #581 of 1211 🔗

It is a really good article. What now for the weekly testing of the nation? This will reduce the IFR even further. A problem for project fear.

115141 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #582 of 1211 🔗

Agree, everyone should read this. It is like the mess up when NASA (?) mixed up cm and inches, only that was just money, & this is people’s lives, worldwide. The biggest consequence measurement error ever.

115184 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to DressageRider, #583 of 1211 🔗

Was that NASA or Spinal Tap…?

115192 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to DressageRider, #584 of 1211 🔗

Lockeed Martin contracting for NASA.

The European Space Agency had a similar screw up with the Ariane rocket disaster – that was a numeric overflow (not enough memory for the result of a calculation).

Both of those mistakes are indefensible in the sense that it’s not possible to argue they are anything but. Obfuscation is working quite well for this.

115217 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Nessimmersion, #585 of 1211 🔗

Brilliant article which certainly explains where the mistakes were made and how they were made. .

115673 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nessimmersion, #586 of 1211 🔗

Send them to remedial school.

114920 Kev, replying to Kev, 5, #587 of 1211 🔗

So what are the odds that Portugal and probably Greece get added to the quarantine list for England today?

Hopefully they make the dealine to be a time before the announcement so no-one has a chance of getting back.

There is a loophole for those returning to Wales currently, get an internal Portugese flight to Madeira (or the Azores) and then fly back to Wales and your exempt!

This would also work if you land in Wales and then drive into Scotland. Or land at any English airport and drive into Wales or Scotland.

Its all so clear and straightforward, we are so lucky to have such great and compassionate MPs.

114925 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Kev, 1, #588 of 1211 🔗

well my ‘free cancellation’ for my accommodation runs out midnight tonight so they’ll make the announcement after that – or even wait until I get there…. (its all about me!)

114932 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Kev, 2, #589 of 1211 🔗

…and lucky to have such an accommodating virus.

114922 4096, replying to 4096, 1, #590 of 1211 🔗

Anyone planning to be at the Edinburgh protest tomorrow?

114998 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to 4096, #591 of 1211 🔗

I’m afraid not. I’m in the East of England.

115000 ▶▶ wendy, replying to 4096, 2, #592 of 1211 🔗

No but I will be at any that are held in Manchester.

115001 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to 4096, 1, #593 of 1211 🔗

Hoping to

115101 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to 4096, 1, #594 of 1211 🔗

Hoping to be there. Just working out my secret squirrel route now.

114937 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 13, #595 of 1211 🔗

Denise Welch Accuses the Government of ‘Scaremongering’ over the Covid Pandemic | This Morning


114948 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 23, #596 of 1211 🔗

Piers Morgan has been let out of his box .. he has tweeted on the This Morning thread
“Dumb, deluded & dangerous Covid-deniers like Denise Welch need to stop being given airtime. Her idiotic, ill-informed ramblings – from a woman who never stops telling us that she suffers from mental illness – will cost lives by persuading people to think the virus isn’t a threat.”

If you have watched the video, consider what he is saying here and who is “dumb deluded and dangerous”

There was a time when i thought Morgan was interestingly provocative. Now I just think how wonderful science is when they can get a turd to walk and talk

114954 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to mjr, 7, #597 of 1211 🔗

There was a time when i thought Morgan was interestingly provocative.”

Really? I thought he was always a practised arsehole.

114985 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to RickH, 1, #598 of 1211 🔗

I Dont deny he is an arsehole and always has been ,,, but in the past he has made some interesting comments on some subjects

114958 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to mjr, 8, #599 of 1211 🔗

I think he ought to watch his language – a case for a defamation lawyer?

114960 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 9, #600 of 1211 🔗

I so hope she does take a case of defamation against him. It is what we need. I would contribute to her legal fees.

115025 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to wendy, 4, #601 of 1211 🔗

If either her, or Carole Malone, chinned him, that would put us, and him, out of our misery – cheaper and quicker too!

115675 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #602 of 1211 🔗

An old handbag would also be good.

114973 ▶▶▶ tonys, replying to mjr, 18, #603 of 1211 🔗

So to sum up his argument ‘she must be wrong ‘cos she’s mental’ . That deserves to get him sacked in this day and age and quite rightly for a change, won’t happen though, he’s Teflon coated.

114982 ▶▶▶▶ Hoppy Uniatz, replying to tonys, 1, #604 of 1211 🔗

Mind you I assume mental illness is a legitimate reason for not wearing a mask.

114994 ▶▶▶ Tempest John, replying to mjr, 4, #605 of 1211 🔗

Can you use words like this to insult those who have mental health issues? I wouldn’t have thought so. I hope she sues him……

115003 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to mjr, 9, #606 of 1211 🔗

Tellingly, he has resorted to insult and seeking to deny a platform for views, rather than addressing the arguments.

A vile man.

115090 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TJN, 1, #607 of 1211 🔗


115010 ▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to mjr, 2, #608 of 1211 🔗

No CCP Virus denial from Welch in that interview at all. Morgan is playing to a combination of social media and his deep state bosses who now control ITV. Using CCP Virus for long term career interests is Morgan

115018 ▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to mjr, 4, #609 of 1211 🔗

What I don’t understand is how Piers Morgan now seems to have the trust/respect of “liberal” media, when until quite recently his shock-jock act was totally on the other side of the political divide. Why hasn’t he been “cancelled” for all the (arguably) racist, sexist things he’s said and tweeted only 2-3 years ago?

115036 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Drawde927, 3, #610 of 1211 🔗

He’s strongly supportive of the coronabollocks narrative, and has a following and a platform, so he’s useful to the cause

115079 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to mjr, #611 of 1211 🔗

The one time I agreed with Piers Morgan was over England Cricket Board effectively sacking Kevin Pietersen. Like Piers, I thought he was being scapegoated and losing our best player was stupid.

England then went on to win the ashes series that summer 3-1, proving that when I agreed with Piers, we were both wrong.

115674 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to mjr, #612 of 1211 🔗

It wasn’t Science, it was Mother Nature. She gets it wrong sometimes.

115130 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #613 of 1211 🔗

Is very good, I highly recommend watching her. I was interested that Eammon Holmes said “we (I think meaning himself and fellow presenter) are not allowed to go against the government narrative”. I got the impression that they did have sympathy with Denise as they let her talk for a long time and the Dr (who looked about 16) who was brought in obviously for ‘balance’ got very little airtime and in any case was also not unsympathetic to Denise while trying hard to stick to a narrative of ‘caution’.

115237 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #614 of 1211 🔗

This is great. Seeing people getting this emotional, yet still being on message, might just pull a large number off the fence.
Looks like Morgan might have been ruffled!

115300 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #615 of 1211 🔗

Good to see FINALLY some truth leaking out of the bullshit machine. Well done Denise! She really did a great job, Ding Ding Ding, point after point. That doctor, muppet, her job was to enforce the get tested line.

TV is rubbish. Give it up people.

114939 mjr, replying to mjr, 6, #616 of 1211 🔗

Just received an invite to participate in the Imperial College antibody survey .. I think this is the random sample test they are doing to try and ascertain how many people have been infected. Its only been 6 months………

114951 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to mjr, 10, #617 of 1211 🔗

Me too. I used it to light my logburner.

114956 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Arnie, 4, #618 of 1211 🔗

lockdown sceptic and climate change sceptic. You must be a fascist 🙂

115006 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to mjr, 2, #619 of 1211 🔗

My invite was dated 14 July, promptly binned. They must be (forgive me) scraping the barrel by now, desperate to sign up anyone, they got so little response.

115071 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Bruno, #620 of 1211 🔗

how dare you call me a barrel!!! (although i do need scraping — barnacles which i think are symptom of covid)

115089 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to mjr, #621 of 1211 🔗

I sympathise. On reflection, wondering if they contacted people by age group, oldies first, given leggy’s 9 year old only just got two? Which would make you. ..

115017 ▶▶ leggy, replying to mjr, 4, #622 of 1211 🔗

My 9 year old son has had two such letters in the space of two weeks. Both straight in the recycling.

115045 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to mjr, 6, #623 of 1211 🔗

I would write back and note that given the current circumstances whereby British history , Statues etc is being re-evaluated I couldn’t possibly associate myself with an Institution with such “imperial” baggage

115102 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #624 of 1211 🔗

They’d count that as a positive test.

115409 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to mjr, 1, #625 of 1211 🔗

I binned the two they sent me.

114955 wendy, replying to wendy, 12, #626 of 1211 🔗

Hello everyone, the latest ONS infection survey is out. It reports infections are still level. No increase and no decrease reported. It also reports, as last week, that they do not find evidence for any difference in infections in the different regions of England.

From this can we take it there is no second wave just more testing and also that testing is being concentrated in various areas. If intensive testing was done in other places likely these would be found to all be the same.

Any thoughts?

114959 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to wendy, 4, #627 of 1211 🔗

It’s probably fair to say that growth is not exponential.

114961 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #628 of 1211 🔗

Growth is not happening full stop!

114965 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #629 of 1211 🔗

Exponentially falling, Gompertz function.

114990 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #630 of 1211 🔗

And this i after all the young (understandably) have been raving; the country has all been on holiday and 100 million meals have been paid for by our taxes…

114962 ▶▶ Julian, replying to wendy, #631 of 1211 🔗

I wonder on what basis the areas for extra testing are chosen

Anyone managed to find up to date data on daily numbers of tests?

114968 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Julian, 1, #632 of 1211 🔗

From looking at the areas with extra measures they all are areas with high ethnic groups. Perhaps these areas have shown some higher mortality or infection rates and so they have gone looking for people to test in these places. I think they have set up testing places in high streets and offered anyone, symptoms or not, a test.

114999 ▶▶ Will, replying to wendy, #633 of 1211 🔗

Is the PCR test used for the ONS weekly survey, or is another type of test. Similarly, is PCR used for both pillar 1 and pillar 2 tests?

115417 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Will, #634 of 1211 🔗

It’s all PCR but not the same test kits or people doing them. The false positive rates may be different but it’s hard to know with Pillar 2 as they don’t report the asymptomatic ratio or have any consistent criteria for whom they test. The ONS is meaningful and they know what they’re doing. The Pillar 2 stuff is mainly theatre and is used to drive local mockdowns and the charade that the government are controlling an epidemic.

115415 ▶▶ guy153, replying to wendy, #635 of 1211 🔗

Agree with everything. Note also that these ONS surveys are much better quality data than any other because they are sampling the population as best they can at random.

114957 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #636 of 1211 🔗

Haha, seriously:

Boris Johnson Accused of Hypocrisy Over Speech to Packed Tory Meeting

  • At least 50 Conservative MPs crammed into Commons meeting room
  • PM’s office warns gatherings of over 30 people are illegal

The gathering appeared to undermine the strict rules the U.K. government has imposed on businesses and families to help reduce transmission of the virus, and could further damage public trust in the prime minister after weeks of criticism and policy reversals. Just 40 minutes after it finished, the prime minister’s office sent a tweet warning people not to attend gatherings of more than 30 people.

114977 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Nobody2020, 9, #637 of 1211 🔗

Should the dictator get a 10k fine for this?

114992 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Cecil B, 5, #638 of 1211 🔗

But its only when it is more than 30 people that it matters.. Showroom dummies dont count

115009 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Cecil B, 2, #640 of 1211 🔗

Was it a ‘rave’?!

115021 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to T. Prince, 1, #641 of 1211 🔗

was it a protest?

115043 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #642 of 1211 🔗

Did they take our letters with them?

All in panic now they might lose their jobs?

114967 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #643 of 1211 🔗

CV-19 and ACE2

This is something that Behind Enemy Lines has discussed from very early on. The medication given to people with diabetes and hypertension, among others, boosts ACE2 receptors providing fertile ground for the virus to cause CV-19.



114978 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #644 of 1211 🔗

That’s very interesting. Just as well as we know it’s Gates’s intention to depopulate the globe.

114981 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #645 of 1211 🔗

Gates is an opportunist, and his money buys him influence that he does not deserve.

I don’t want any vaccine that he sponsors.

But he is not the devil and he does not run the world.

114993 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to John P, 5, #646 of 1211 🔗

I disagree. There are many more articles about this on the Internet.

The Dark Plan Of Bill Gates Mass Vaccination.
Bill Gates and his foundation have consistently come under fire for their goal of depopulation, and now the same man who admitted in a TED talk that his goal is to eliminate a billion humans from the face of the Earth has now taken to Facebook to lecture us about why being eradicated is in our own interests.

115365 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bella Donna, #647 of 1211 🔗

Where on Facebook did he do this?

115677 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bella Donna, #648 of 1211 🔗

Right. Don’t give him one inch more.

115007 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to John P, 1, #649 of 1211 🔗

You might not want it but you will probably have to have it before you can get on a plane or participate in ‘normal’ life

115040 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to T. Prince, 8, #650 of 1211 🔗

Nope, not happening.

Any suggestion of a mandatory vaccine and Affidavits will be sent to Health secretary, Head of NHS, PHE, local health service, BJ and anyone else who might think I can be compelled against my will. Make every individual personally liable, to the tune of 100’s of millions and imprisonment.

CEO’s of Big Pharma companies personally liable, even if their companies have somehow obtained exeption from liability claims.

115042 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Kev, 7, #651 of 1211 🔗

Don’t want to get on a plane ever again if it means I have to wear a face nappy for however many hours, would rather not fly.

115151 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Kev, 4, #652 of 1211 🔗

Same. No vaccine for me EVER and no flying with a mask. I’m just thankful I’ve seen much of the world, even though retirement was supposed to be our time to slow travel. Trying to stay hopeful this nightmare will end at some point.

115392 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to T. Prince, 1, #653 of 1211 🔗

That doesn’t negate what I said. Mandatory vaccines would be the decision of government not Gates.

115628 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to John P, #654 of 1211 🔗

Well India they put huge numbers of people’s data, ID, into a biometric database; it was found shortly thereafter, database having been broken & spread into WhatsApp groups, with ID’s being sold for tiny amounts of money… for some people IDs obviously became cheaper than they thought! 🙂

115056 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John P, 1, #655 of 1211 🔗

This is a good insight into who is scheming on a global scale.


Check out Whitney Webbs articles.


115400 ▶▶ guy153, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #656 of 1211 🔗

That theory about “bradykines” is pretty speculative (and also alarmist) but it’s interesting how they did the research.

The method is you PCR for human mRNA to compare what genes are being expressed in Covid patients compared to non-Covid.

114969 Thomas_E, 2, #657 of 1211 🔗

So true,its actually sad not funny

114971 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 21, #658 of 1211 🔗

How sad is that to have your wedding photo taken wearingmasks? In years to come their children will be asking why they wore them and they would have to explain the world had been in the grip of a manufactured global neurosis.

115397 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Bella Donna, #659 of 1211 🔗

It will make it easy to remember what year you got married in.

114987 Peter Fitt, replying to Peter Fitt, 1, #661 of 1211 🔗

Sorry if I’m going off at a tangent here but am I the only person who doesn’t always automatically receive the daily update? Like today’s. It would appear every so often I need to re submit my email address. It’s as if I keep on getting knocked off the mailing list. Not taking it personally-honest!

115391 ▶▶ John P, replying to Peter Fitt, #662 of 1211 🔗

You could just bookmark the page. I generally access it from Toby’s twitter feed.

114995 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 15, #663 of 1211 🔗


“Typical scientific facts censored here but widely published by MSM in Italy: cases means nothing, there shouldn’t be more tests, the only indicator is IC cases, capacity is 8K currently 100, keep calm and carry on.

115395 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, #664 of 1211 🔗

A good sign though. We usually copy whatever France and Italy do a few weeks later.

115015 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 1, #665 of 1211 🔗
115678 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sarigan, #666 of 1211 🔗

They are right. It’s because they are running it.

115023 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #667 of 1211 🔗

Also Germany shows no real second wave with no real serious uptick in ICU or deaths despite increase in cases

115154 ▶▶ hotrod, replying to swedenborg, #668 of 1211 🔗

Interesting that Germany saw an increase and then it’s dropped off again.

I wonder why?

115587 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to hotrod, #669 of 1211 🔗

Interestingly the uptick of cases was associated with school closures and the beginning of holidays and going down when schools opened again and end of holidy.Perhpas holiday related

115028 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #670 of 1211 🔗

COVID NAZIS ARRIVE IN LIVERPOOL – aka British Transport Police


115063 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #671 of 1211 🔗

This has been linked to and commented on earlier but this is a longer video than the ones the newspaper links had

BTP twitter is fascinating. A few police supporters – the usual “if you dont do as youre told”. Most tweets are anti police
BTP statement
“A man has been charged with threatening behaviour and assaulting a police officer on a Merseyrail train to Liverpool Lime Street station. The incident happened at around 3.20pm on Wednesday 2 September.
Officers had responded to a report of a man coughing at two passengers.
Anthony B, 34, of XXXXXXXXXX, will appear at Liverpool and Knowsley Magistrates’ Court on Wednesday 6 January 2021”.
To appear in 4 months!!!

constable savage still lives and works for BTP

115095 ▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to mjr, 4, #672 of 1211 🔗

Does anyone know if there are any firms or individual lawyers who have taken a sceptical stance who might get involved? Are there any criminal lawyers who read this site who would take the case pro-bono? This might be a really good case for a top lawyer or aspiring lawyer to make their name from. To be honest, based on the video, I think the BTP will find it difficult to make their case stick. They didn’t try and arrest him as far as I could see, only remove him from the train, so he wasn’t ‘resisting arrest’. The policeman started the physical altercation and threatened the defendant with pepper spray so they will have to justify those actions surely? In terms of the law on face coverings, the defendant was correct and there was no legal basis for removing him from the train.

115107 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Chris Hume, 8, #673 of 1211 🔗

Simon Dolan tweeted that they are helping an NHS worker sacked for attending the protests, and he also tweeted that they have found contact details for the chap arrested, presumably with a view to helping him.

I don’t know much about Simon Dolan but he’s certainly got the bit between his teeth.

115120 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Julian, 1, #674 of 1211 🔗

the BTP put his full name and address on their twitter . I have deleted it on my post above

115123 ▶▶▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Julian, 5, #675 of 1211 🔗

Oh good. Thanks for letting me know Julian. He certainly seems to be one of the really ‘good guys’. By the way for those on Twatter, Matt Le Tissier could do with some support today. He’s a tough cookie and can take it, but nonetheless everybody likes to know that they have some back up!

115201 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #676 of 1211 🔗

Saw they video earlier. No mention of coughing just asking him why he’s not wearing a mask and then the old bill trying to grab him . The guy can be heard saying he’s exempt .What the hell do the police think they’re playing at ?.I hope he gets a lawyer and help . pleased to hear people sticking up for him and shouting leave him alone.

115041 dorset dumpling, replying to dorset dumpling, 13, #677 of 1211 🔗

Had to pop in to Waitrose this afternoon, found the bouncer was back but he only seemed to be counting us in and out. Guess it’s because it’s a relatively small store and it’s Friday.
Edinburgh Woollen Mill reopened on Tuesday and OH wanted me to see if they had his usual jumpers in. Lady on the door, ‘Use the hand sanitiser’, told her I’d use my own as so many different ones were making my eczema worse. Got it out of my handbag and gave a non existent squirt, walked in without her realising I was bare faced!

115118 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to dorset dumpling, #678 of 1211 🔗


115135 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to dorset dumpling, #679 of 1211 🔗

Ah ha good distraction technique.

115048 Basics, 6, #680 of 1211 🔗

Munich. 20 people refusing quaratine have been rounded up, arrested and forced into a monitored lockdown at a hotel.


115057 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #681 of 1211 🔗

Another long standing link between the UK Government, vaccines, virus research and our favourite billionaire:



“Speaking in Seattle, Bill Gates, Co-Chair of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation said:

We are proud to be partnering with the Chancellor, the British people, and leading research institutes and universities around the UK in this endeavour to end malaria and combat neglected tropical diseases and future pandemics.”

So George Osborne, Priti Patel and Justine Greening all mentioned.

115061 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #682 of 1211 🔗

Also “future pandemics” got a mention.

115097 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Awkward Git, #683 of 1211 🔗

That DFID document from Jan 2016 – now they’ve managed to squash DFID into the FO, what Johnson was pleased to call the cash register in the sky could be locked away. With consequences for ever getting on top of polio etc.

115362 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, #684 of 1211 🔗

Osborne no longer an MP – what about Greening? Worrying that Priti Patel was involved…

115626 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Awkward Git, #685 of 1211 🔗

“end malaria?” Get him an invitation to the White House, sure Trump will give him the heads up on hydroxychloroquine 🙂

116157 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Awkward Git, #686 of 1211 🔗

End malaria with geneticially modified mosquitoes. Never ends well.

115058 Basics, replying to Basics, 11, #687 of 1211 🔗

Andrew Neil at the Spectator has banned CO OP from adverising in the publication. The CO OP appear to have been annoyed their advert had been placed next to an article they claimed was hate speech.

This woke censorship by corporations is going to become more prevelant – and will be used to effect covid measures.

I would suggest boycotting COOP but realistically no one shops there by choice anyway. Sad from such good foundations.

115070 ▶▶ Hammer Onats, replying to Basics, 4, #688 of 1211 🔗

Yep. You only find coops in villages with no other competition. The smug bastards then charge what they like.

115085 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Hammer Onats, 3, #689 of 1211 🔗

n . an enclosure, cage, or pen, usually with bars or wires, in which fowls or other small animals (including sheep) are confined for fattening, transportation, etc.
v. to place in or as if in a coop; confine narrowly (often followed by up or in ).

Given what lockdown is doing to us all, an organisation to avoid

“It’s what we do….. “

115109 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 1, #690 of 1211 🔗

Their Orwellian keep 2 meters apart, wear a mask, stay safe, protect your community PA messaging and covid saftey markings are the worst out of just about any shopping chain.

115115 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Two-Six, 3, #691 of 1211 🔗

I intentionally disobey them when I go in.
Still, 2 for £4 on the large HopHouse13 is the only reason to go into my local one

115112 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Basics, 3, #692 of 1211 🔗

HEY– My Parents local CO-OP is great. .

115168 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Basics, 1, #693 of 1211 🔗

See here for full story
Basically some woke person complained about coop advertising in a right wing publication .
“Hey @coopuk as a trans person I was please [sic] to see your adverts featuring a trans women and celebrating diversity, I visited your stores as a result, but why bother if your going to turn around ignore your members wishes and place adverts and fund transphobia in the spectator.”
Her comments were in response to a Stop Funding Hate (SFH) statement that criticised the group for advertising in the magazine, headed up by Neil. SFH said: “Many [Co-op members] will be disappointed to see Co-op UK’s management supporting a magazine notorious for transphobia and ‘anti-Muslim propaganda’.”

I know the coop Head office. it is as woke as you can get .

115387 ▶▶ John P, replying to Basics, 2, #694 of 1211 🔗

It wasn’t the coop that claimed the Spectator promoted “hate” speech, it was a “trans” person who contacted them via twitter. The coop responded to say that they would consider withdrawing their adverts from the Spectator.

It was at this point that Andrew Neil weighed in and politely told them where they could shove it.

115407 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to John P, #695 of 1211 🔗

Now that’s what I call investigative journalism!

115059 tonys, replying to tonys, 12, #696 of 1211 🔗

Heard a radio item yesterday that left me chilled to the bone; Vanessa Feltz on R2 interviewing a department store Santa. They were having a jolly good laugh about the socially distanced queue and how the present would be passed to the child on a little trolley so Santa would not have to get anywhere near the child, so it’s already heading in a pretty horrific direction when he went on to describe how he would also be wearing a ‘red velvet and fur mask’ , both presenter and ‘Santa’ clearly thought this dystopian vision was great fun, although I thought Vanessa’s joviality might be just a little hysterical, but perhaps I am just kidding myself . How long can this insanity go on?

115082 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to tonys, #697 of 1211 🔗

Until there is a vaccine.

115103 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Two-Six, 3, #698 of 1211 🔗

I wish. Until the public push back, otherwise forever.

115105 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Julian, 3, #699 of 1211 🔗

I despair. Yer how long is this going to go on for? So many face nappy wearing goons, the idiots are loving it.

115241 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Two-Six, #700 of 1211 🔗

They will find a reason to carry this on past a vaccine.
It doesn’t make sense now and they’ve contrived the reasons, so they’ll be able to do it then.

115117 ▶▶ Drummerman, replying to tonys, 2, #701 of 1211 🔗

I hear Feltz on BBC Radio London and she is a ‘COVID fearer’.

115132 ▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Drummerman, 2, #702 of 1211 🔗

Hmm ..she is 60 and is quite overweight so would be right in the covis target range. She cant change her age but this may encourage her to diet.

115382 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to KBuchanan, #703 of 1211 🔗

yah think?

115246 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to tonys, #704 of 1211 🔗

Used to listen to Vanessa on BBC Radio London, finally gave up last week and my breakfast is a lot calmer now. Cancelled the TV License too, can live without the Beeb.

115060 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 12, #705 of 1211 🔗

“We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end.”
George Orwell, 1984

115181 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #706 of 1211 🔗

Yes – that Blair had a record for getting it right with a zinger for every occasion.

115068 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #707 of 1211 🔗

Here’s how you contact Denise Welsh if you nat to send her a message of support:



115072 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #708 of 1211 🔗

Do you have the contact details for Piers Morgan as well, so we can send him our “support” as well.

115073 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Kev, 2, #709 of 1211 🔗

I do:


I sent him an e-mail a few months ago when he was having that spat with Eamonn Holmes and David Icke and gave him a few facts as it’s more fun arguing when you actually know what you are talking about but other than an auto-reply got nothing from the insufferable arsehole.

115074 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 18, #710 of 1211 🔗

Has anybody explained to Nicola that Animal Farm is supposed to be an allegorical warning, not an instruction manual?

115076 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Lucan Grey, 8, #711 of 1211 🔗

And 1984 was not a blueprint for a free and happy society

115238 ▶▶▶ Youth_Unheard, replying to Kev, #712 of 1211 🔗


115134 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #713 of 1211 🔗

I thought she looked like Snowball . What do they say about a pig and lipstick?
Ah yes …. To put “ lipstick on a pig ” is an expression used to convey the message that making superficial or cosmetic changes is a futile attempt to disguise the undesirable nature of a product.

115091 Ed Turnbull, replying to Ed Turnbull, 43, #714 of 1211 🔗

Hello fellow sceptics,

Just had an unpleasant experience in Waterstones at Fort Kinnaird in Edinburgh. The review I’ve just post on Google explains:

A single star for appalling customer service (I’d award zero stars were that possible, but hey, it’s an imperfect world). And “what has sparked my ire?”, you ask. Well, I was just in here buying an anniversary card (quaint I know, but my wife expects it) and when I handed it over to the woman at the checkout the barcode was face down. Rather than pick the card up and simply scan it, she asked me to turn it over, no doubt fearful that I’d smeared this product with a toxin derived from the Poison Arrow Tree Frog. This person was masked up to the nines, and hiding behind enough perspex to stave off a bank heist, but still she treated me like some hideous vector of disease rather than a customer and a human being. Now, I’ve no idea if this woman’s action was her personal choice (her demeanour certainly made me feel I wasn’t welcome), or company policy (and ‘following orders’ didn’t really fly at Nuremberg in ’46) and I really don’t care, but *you* should Waterstones. For this is but one more nail in the coffin of the physical retail experience. You don’t sell anything I can’t get just as easily online and in that arena I don’t have to encounter the ridiculous behaviour of checkout staff. So you’ve lost my custom. Permanently. Keep this up and you can probably expect a well-deserved visit from the receivers. Oh, one final point / question: my local supermarket checkout staff (bless ’em) have no issues handling the groceries I’ve placed on their conveyer belts, so why are cellophane-wrapped cardboard items deemed so much more dangerous?

If I get a response I’ll post it here.

115121 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Ed Turnbull, 7, #715 of 1211 🔗

Waterstones are the limit. If they see you haven’t scrubbed up with hand poison they remind you to do so, and – “unfortunately we cannot take cash at the moment” – WTF not??

115188 ▶▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to Tenchy, 9, #716 of 1211 🔗

I pointedly strolled straight past their hand sanitiser, and I was mask-less, as I always am; thereby marking me out as one of the four horsemen (Pestilence obviously). But I think part of it is that cowards (and what else should we call the mask-compliant sheep?) nearly always resent those who have the courage to do what they dare not.

115625 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Tenchy, 2, #717 of 1211 🔗

Yep. Used to be a regular at Waterstones but absolutely not now – seen people get almost attacked at the mere suggestion of picking a banknote of out their wallet, I’m sure I saw an article earlier in the year where it was suggested, by central banks that harder surfaces: doorknobs, shop counters, Plastic cards & machines(!!) have more potential to harbour the virus than a polymer note..

115124 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Ed Turnbull, 7, #718 of 1211 🔗

Feel for her, the poor woman does not realize she is complicit in getting rid of her own job.

115180 ▶▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to KBuchanan, 7, #719 of 1211 🔗

Feel for her? Nope, no chance. My sympathy tank long since ran dry as regards these idiots. Now my thoughts for them come straight from Chuck Heston at the end of Planet Of The Apes: “God damn you all to Hell!!”. These people think (except they don’t really think , they just go with the feelz or what someone else tells them to do) their fear, if genuine fear it was, gives them license to steal my liberty. They are, therefore, my enemies, and as such deserving only of my contempt. A pox (or perhaps a mild virus) on them all.

115425 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Ed Turnbull, 3, #720 of 1211 🔗

Waterstone’s were behaving like this from just before lockdown started. March 22 and I had to make sure that I stacked the books the correct way up so that the sales assistant could scan the books who refused to touch them.

115821 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ed Turnbull, #721 of 1211 🔗

Waterstones have been appalling. Have been boycotting their shops and would rather give my custom to Amazon frankly.

115094 Kev, replying to Kev, 12, #722 of 1211 🔗

In this Country we don’t just have a right to resist unjust laws, we have a moral obligation to resist them. Its how tyranny is defeated.

115106 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Kev, 3, #723 of 1211 🔗

So true – but, let’s face it, it is not happening on anything like the needed scale.

115202 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Kev, #724 of 1211 🔗


This speech x1000000

115113 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #725 of 1211 🔗

Not for everyone but I’ve created an FPL private leave for lockdown sceptics. Code to join is: ybj6s2

115243 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #727 of 1211 🔗

Yes!!! Well in! This I still enjoy

115251 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #728 of 1211 🔗

I’m in … get your teams in folks!!

115116 Basics, replying to Basics, 11, #729 of 1211 🔗

Encouraging from Le Tour. A fast day coming down from the heights of the Central Massif. The crowds lining the route passing in a blur. Certainly less mask wearing by the crowd. It was disappointing to see the 100% masking in the first days around Nice. But today with the wind with them its a great spectacle. How can any self respecting French man/woman shout “COURAGE!” through a mask anyway?

115144 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Basics, 3, #730 of 1211 🔗

Same with the formula 1 twonks – they distance and wear masks! I hear that covid is particularly virulent for formula one millionaires, allegedly.

115172 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to KBuchanan, 4, #731 of 1211 🔗

If only Ayrton Senna had been wearing a mask, in that oh so safe sport

115380 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Kev, 1, #732 of 1211 🔗

Again, not sure of your point here. Formula 1 is certainly safe now. Today it’s a sport for pussies. (I have a better word, but would get in trouble for using it.)

But Senna was 1993 when you needed balls to get behind the wheel. That said, he probably was wearing a face covering under his helmet. Not much protection against sharp bits of metal travelling at 200 mph though.

115410 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to John P, 1, #733 of 1211 🔗


115158 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #734 of 1211 🔗

Yes. I haven’t been following it this year for that reason. The cyclists look so stupid, somehow more stupid than anyone else.

I’ve wondered why thry don’t cycle in them – the official reason. I’ve also wondered if cricketers play in masks. No need to answer.

115170 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Basics, 2, #735 of 1211 🔗

Same with me and tennis. Have been boycotting sport on TV as I cannot pretend it’s normal, but saw a bit of the US Open the other day, ballboys and line judges masked, will never watch while it’s like that.

115242 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Julian, 2, #736 of 1211 🔗

Yep I’m also off sports now. Seeing no fans/supporters erupting in pure joy has made it all so pointless. Lifting a cup in front of only cameras and 90,000 empty seats is just wrong.

115254 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Eddie, 1, #737 of 1211 🔗

Yes – it’s the same with the performing arts.

You could invent a new spectator sport, based upon which 9 or so people in the 90,000 crowd actually have a real infection.

116165 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Eddie, #738 of 1211 🔗

The Stanley Cup Hockey Playoffs are going on right now and taped crowd noises from previous Stanley Cup games with cheering, oohs and ahs are being piped from the arena PA system like canned laughter on a comedy TV show. Meanwhile, the team owners sit up near the rafters in their executive boxes more than six feet apart, wearing dark black face masks. When their team wins they all hug each other and shake hands. WTF! They also show messages on the big board like We support Black Lives …

115377 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Basics, 2, #739 of 1211 🔗

During the first episode on ITV there was some drivel about Covid I was trying not to listen to but I think they said the whole team got thrown out if two riders (or two anyone) tested positive for SARS2. Fortunately they know every trick in the book to avoid testing positive for anything.

115557 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to guy153, #740 of 1211 🔗

Completely agree with this even the ITV commentator is an ex doper. His career made by cheating. If that sounds harsh consider the poor sods he beat while doping.

It’s a deeply flawed beautiful spectacle. Remarkable love hate. C’est la vie.

115126 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 19, #741 of 1211 🔗

The only time that PM Boris Johnson impressed me was in mid March when he suggested the idea of herd immunity. Ever since that day, my Impressed Meter has taken a nose dive.

115128 ▶▶ Julian, replying to richard riewer, 1, #742 of 1211 🔗

I wonder where that came from. Whose idea was it? And I wonder whether that person or those people whose idea it was still think we have done the right thing.

115376 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Julian, 2, #743 of 1211 🔗

It’s not an idea or a strategy. It’s what happens in viral epidemics. That’s why they all peter out eventually.

Flu is different because – unlike most viruses – it tends to rapidly mutate, making it difficult to eradicate.

115751 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to John P, #744 of 1211 🔗

I meant who in SAGE and/or the Cabinet supported the idea of Herd Immunity as a goal?

115129 richard riewer, #745 of 1211 🔗
115139 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 23, #746 of 1211 🔗

Q: How many epidemiologists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Around 250,000 as a reasonable worst case scenario.

115142 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Achilles, 5, #747 of 1211 🔗

surely that’s just an estimate based on modelling

115179 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to mjr, 1, #748 of 1211 🔗

That’s all that they could find at a minute’s notice.

115205 ▶▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to richard riewer, #749 of 1211 🔗

I was going to say that’s how many academic epidemiologists they could find, because the few real ones are in the field busy doing real work 😉

115247 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Achilles, #750 of 1211 🔗

Do you assume they know what a light bulb, or socket, is? That’s a bit optimistic.

115264 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to RickH, 6, #751 of 1211 🔗

Of course! You just need to destroy the entire building surrounding the light bulb, then build a new building around the new light bulb. Simples! Part one done, now for part two…

115276 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to zacaway, 2, #752 of 1211 🔗

That’s one for the Christmas cracker!

115386 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to zacaway, #753 of 1211 🔗

Problem is they only know how to destroy the entire building but on the bright side no need to replace the light bulb now.

115143 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 3, #754 of 1211 🔗


Similarly, the other day I went swimming at Chagford outdoor pool, lovely setting on Dartmoor and I was reprimanded for swimming backstroke!

115197 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to richard riewer, 1, #755 of 1211 🔗

Trouble Coming Everyday, The Mothers of Invention

115227 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to richard riewer, #756 of 1211 🔗

“Why does it hurt when I peeeee?
Because you have COVIDS

116175 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, #757 of 1211 🔗

Non-specific urethritis.

115150 ikaraki, replying to ikaraki, 20, #758 of 1211 🔗

Well missives have concluded, I am now without a job over the whole masks nonsense. They termed it as ‘gross misconduct’. Yes, even though the shop is a ‘co-operative’ the rights of the workers do not matter. May write the whole saga up, but probably just going to put my energy into my own venture. Bonus point for anyone who guesses the company..!

115153 ▶▶ TJN, replying to ikaraki, 3, #759 of 1211 🔗

Don’t know the details, but it sounds to me as if it could be unfair dismissal.

115162 ▶▶▶ ikaraki, replying to TJN, 4, #760 of 1211 🔗

A whole lot of mud to get through.. Better for my health if I step away, as much as I want to ruin their day.

115169 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to ikaraki, 2, #761 of 1211 🔗

What we need on here is a friendly lawyer (possible oxymoron) prepared to start a class action lawsuit.

I won’t hold my breath!

115285 ▶▶▶▶▶ ikaraki, replying to Kev, 2, #762 of 1211 🔗

Oh maybe one day, it’ll take the lawyers time, public sentiment needs to be more obviously behind them to take on that sort of job..

115178 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to ikaraki, #763 of 1211 🔗

Yes – it’s always a difficult decision which looks easy from the sidelines.

115287 ▶▶▶▶▶ ikaraki, replying to RickH, 3, #764 of 1211 🔗

Well, wasn’t really mine to make. Could have pleaded for my job, begged even, but screw that, not happening! Did say to a mate I would quit if I had to wear a mask.

115190 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to ikaraki, 6, #765 of 1211 🔗

SImon Dolan seems to be getting involved in supporting unfair dismissals and now it seems also the guy assaulted on the train by the police (see posts elsewhere today)

115291 ▶▶▶▶▶ ikaraki, replying to mjr, 2, #766 of 1211 🔗

Might send an email or two, see what folk are doing. Will say that shit is getting wilder!

115161 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to ikaraki, 3, #767 of 1211 🔗

Was this ongoing over the mask saga? I thought you agreed as you needed the work so what grounds have they got for gross misconduct? Did you have someone there with you?

115166 ▶▶▶ ikaraki, replying to Sarigan, 3, #768 of 1211 🔗

Oh it escalated into some kangaroo court bull. Had decided that I was going to leave regardless, better for my health. Didn’t take anyone along, not a union member, wasn’t up for involving sympathetic colleagues.

115200 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to ikaraki, 2, #769 of 1211 🔗

Ask for a meeting before hand and bring along a representative too, they have to do this under employment law. Defend your case based on the scientific evidence and the law.

Then, if they still want to sack you, make sure they do so in writing stating specifically it is because you refuse to wear a mask.

There are other steps to take from that point.

115293 ▶▶▶ ikaraki, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #770 of 1211 🔗

Oh been there, done that. Nice wee list of things that they have decided to do me for.

115223 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to ikaraki, #771 of 1211 🔗

Gross misconduct! Whaaaaaaatttttt!
This can’t be right. The bastards.

115295 ▶▶▶ ikaraki, replying to Two-Six, 1, #772 of 1211 🔗

Yes, the bastards. Maybe they were just trying to push me when they denied my transfer request, who knows.

115327 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to ikaraki, 2, #773 of 1211 🔗

That’s constructive dismissal in 2 counts – that and masks. Any ask assessments shown to you with supporting documentation and justifications? “I was following guidelines given to me by blah blah blah ” is not a defence.

Go to tribunal.


You don’t even have to take your job back if you win.

115230 ▶▶ Youth_Unheard, replying to ikaraki, 1, #774 of 1211 🔗

Definitely get in touch with Simon Dolan he is dealing with cases like this now and funding a few which could be the turning points to get the courts to counter the government.

115296 ▶▶▶ ikaraki, replying to Youth_Unheard, #775 of 1211 🔗

Will send some emails, but will take time, need the break I think!

115262 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to ikaraki, #776 of 1211 🔗

Sorry you lost your job.
I’ll find out about mine tomorrow. Took them long enough to “investigate”.

115297 ▶▶▶ ikaraki, replying to Silke David, #777 of 1211 🔗

Well best o’ luck wi’ that! Can’t come out worse than mine.

115355 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to ikaraki, #778 of 1211 🔗

Can the terms of your job contact just be changed like that?

115372 ▶▶ guy153, replying to ikaraki, #779 of 1211 🔗

Edinburgh Bicycle Cooperative? Do I win a year’s supply of facemasks (which is none)?

Good luck with the new venture and well done for sticking to your guns.

115423 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to ikaraki, #780 of 1211 🔗

I am not sure if this is up to date, but you might want to look at http://www.laworfiction.com/2020/07/time-to-blow-the-whistle-on-shops/

You might be able to get some money out of them for constructive dismissal.

115568 ▶▶ matt, replying to ikaraki, #781 of 1211 🔗

Write the whole saga up, ikaraki. I’m not a lawyer, but I have a pretty thorough knowledge of employment law. If nothing else, I can point you in the right general direction – no point in spending money on a lawyer if you don’t have a case, but no point in not pursuing a case if you have one (especially if you’re planning to do your own thing).

115825 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ikaraki, #782 of 1211 🔗

Very sorry to hear this.

115171 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to PastImperfect, #784 of 1211 🔗

When did that happen?

115177 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to PastImperfect, #785 of 1211 🔗

Do not use Facebook

115248 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to PastImperfect, #786 of 1211 🔗

The picture shows no such thing. It’s a cordon where the police do not have their helmets on. This often happens. I’d have to see a lot more then this to come to the conclusion you have

115249 ▶▶ stewart, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #787 of 1211 🔗

You sure this is legit?
It’s warm in Berlin today, people in the photo look like they are dressed for winter.

115260 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #788 of 1211 🔗

As a German I do not think this is a recent photo. I agree they are dressed for winter, and the women are missing. During recent demos there were never so many Germany flags. I guess this is a football related photo.

115164 arfurmo, 4, #789 of 1211 🔗

talk radio discussing masks now. Presenter v anti

115165 Julian, replying to Julian, 19, #790 of 1211 🔗

According to Wikipedia, around 1M people died as a result of the 57/58 Asian Flu Pandemic. Adjusted for population that would be around 2.7M today. From the same source, between 1 and 4M people died as a result of the 68/69 Hong Kong Flu pandemic. The lower end of that scale adjusted for population today would be around 2.2M. So far covid has seen under 900,000 deaths, very probably with a much higher average age than the flu deaths from those previous pandemics. Anything but unprecedented. The lockdowns and other madness are unorthodox – anyone who claims that what Sweden did is unorthodox is simply wrong. The burden of proof has to be with those advocating untried measures. We should remember not to feel defensive or on the back foot.

115175 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 11, #791 of 1211 🔗

The actual ‘Covid’ deaths are impossible to calculate, given the (deliberate?) mess that are the data worldwide.

But you’re right – as I’ve frequently banged on – for England and Wales, 2019/20 ranks only eighth in the mortality stakes since 1993/94. Which suggest that post-war, we have survived about two dozen worse infectious episodes.

… without sacrificing civil rights.

115195 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, #792 of 1211 🔗

A mess squared.

A mess of tests unfit for purpose built on a mess of media lies and scaremongering built on a mess of idiotic public policy autocrats

115266 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to RickH, #793 of 1211 🔗

Does anyone know if the information is there or not to genuinely work out the real causes of death? For example if the whole thing came out as a criminal act and unlimited funds were spent to forensically examine every single death. It’s that possible? Or has the dog eaten the evidence?

115275 ▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Lockdown Truth, 2, #794 of 1211 🔗

Presume most of the evidence when up the crematorium smoke stack.

115332 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #795 of 1211 🔗

The information is there in detail on all UK death certs, and summarised in ONS website. The autopsy results for post mortems at Oxford’s teaching hospital, the John Radcliffe, were published in the Lancet a while back. Next question.

115176 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, 4, #796 of 1211 🔗

They don’t feel the need to tell us the truth. We are all children. We must be protected, sheltered from the harsh realities of their Global Reset.

116178 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, #797 of 1211 🔗

Eric Burdon & The Animals.

115173 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #798 of 1211 🔗

Live Frank Zappa concert in Stockholm, Sweden. 1973. Good stuff.


115500 ▶▶ Kristian Short, replying to richard riewer, 2, #799 of 1211 🔗

Zappa would’ve seen through this shit!

115174 IMoz, replying to IMoz, 3, #800 of 1211 🔗

Anyone seen this before:

The next severe pandemic will not only cause great illness and loss of life but could also trigger major cascading economic and societal consequences that could contribute greatly to global impact and suffering. The Event 201 pandemic exercise, conducted on October 18, 2019 , vividly demonstrated a number of these important gaps in pandemic preparedness as well as some of the elements of the solutions between the public and private sectors that will be needed to fill them. The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, World Economic Forum, and Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation jointly propose these recommendations


Video coverage: https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/videos.html

115183 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to IMoz, 1, #801 of 1211 🔗

Yes, but if you believe this, you do not want to live anyway

115186 ▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to BJJ, 1, #802 of 1211 🔗

Believe what, I don’t quite follow?

115189 ▶▶▶▶ BJJ, replying to IMoz, #803 of 1211 🔗

i.e. that this all is being planned

115193 ▶▶▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to BJJ, 3, #804 of 1211 🔗

That the response mirrors something that was shown and talked about just a few months prior? Why dismiss that possibility out of hand?

115323 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to IMoz, #805 of 1211 🔗

All governments wargame to work out what to do if imaginable threats happen.They just over-mitigated the risk this time.

115338 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to Bruno, #806 of 1211 🔗

Was the over-imagination caused by the “wargame” though, were the primed for such response? The phrase self-fulfilling prophecy was coined for a reason…

115218 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to IMoz, 1, #807 of 1211 🔗

I watched it back in February. This was the blueprint for how they were going to unleash The Corona Project.

115353 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Two-Six, 2, #808 of 1211 🔗

My worry is that Gates video saying people will take it seriously ‘next time’ – when are they planning on releasing the next virus? And will it be more dangerous?

116181 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to IMoz, #809 of 1211 🔗

Don’t forget Michael Bloomberg. Johns Hopkins School for Public Health is named after him. He is also funding The Red Mirage with Facebook.

115187 Tony Prince, replying to Tony Prince, 2, #810 of 1211 🔗

Bit off topic I know but we need more like Andrew Neil giving the woke bullies the finger…..still going to boycott the Co op though!


115203 ▶▶ IMoz, replying to Tony Prince, #811 of 1211 🔗

I like how some spin this as Neil’s hypocrisy despite the fact that it’s been the Spectator’s policy vis-à-vis the advertisers for a while…

115240 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to IMoz, #812 of 1211 🔗

Don’t forget that Neil was the editor responsible for shredding any credibility that The Times had.

115336 ▶▶▶▶ IMoz, replying to RickH, #813 of 1211 🔗

Seems to have the opposite effect with the Spectator though

115196 mjr, replying to mjr, 5, #814 of 1211 🔗

Just heard on radio . Leeds now on special watch. Labour MP and mayor already bleating . Obviously someone coughed.

115224 ▶▶ Basics, replying to mjr, #815 of 1211 🔗

Special Watch is that the Ministry’s term for it?

115226 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Basics, 2, #816 of 1211 🔗

not sure of the terminology … but local lockdown is the next stage if they are not good boys and girls

115235 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to mjr, 1, #817 of 1211 🔗

Yes. The threat. Also actually living in circumstances outside your own control is stressful and not peaceful. We all have a right to live in peace unless there is an overwhelming threat to others.

A brilliant article posted by someone else a little earlier – thanks to them.

115289 ▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Basics, 2, #818 of 1211 🔗

It was the terminology (sorry I haven’t yet read the article) that first had my antennae twitching – right at the start of this shambles, our leaders were already describing it as a ‘pandemic’. Hmmm I thought, they can’t know the numbers yet….

115298 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to bluemoon, #819 of 1211 🔗

2009 one month prior to H1N1 proven fakedemic WHO redefined their meaning of the word Pandemic. They did this to be able to trigger auto paydays for all associated support structures.
Really worth looking at what WHO terms a pandemic – it is not what you think!

115317 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Basics, 1, #820 of 1211 🔗

I can’t have been paying attention back in 2009! Who’d have thought there was money in it??

115348 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to bluemoon, 1, #821 of 1211 🔗

It was quite a thing. H1N1 the pandemic that proved not to be. Worth looking into it on a rainy day sometime.

115280 ▶▶ wendy, replying to mjr, #822 of 1211 🔗

No one must ever cough or sneeze again! Carl Heneghans twitter showing info about the over sensitivity of the tests and how they are picking up people who do not have enough virus to infect anyone else. Haven’t we spoken about this on here for so long and yet our gov just don’t respond.

116185 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to wendy, #823 of 1211 🔗

I coughed just a tad the other day and got some really dirty looks.

115313 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to mjr, #824 of 1211 🔗

Stamford Hill London as well. Specifically the orthodox Jewish community.

115389 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to mjr, #825 of 1211 🔗

According to radio reports fat Boris is refusing to test people arriving from foreign holidays as the tests are not accurate enough……

115211 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #826 of 1211 🔗


Published today earlier about C-19 in Spain.Now,perhaps, easier to understand certain aspects like quick discharge etc “Spain’s regional govs are getting ~110€/test done ~15.500€/hospitalisation ~500.000€/ICU admission Now we understand very short admissions, hospitalisation/discharge in 48/72h= €15K! Moving a fever patient to ICU, half million euro!! Free purpose money for govs. Tempting!

115228 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to swedenborg, 1, #827 of 1211 🔗

Someone commented a while back to a question I asked “Follow the money” Madness – Nothing new though – NHS targets etc.

115543 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Steeve, #828 of 1211 🔗


“That remuneration could explain why Andalusia wilfully destroyed its tourism industry with the masks-everywhere policy, nightlife closures & incessant testing. The casedemic is clearly more profitable to the regional government.”

115572 ▶▶ matt, replying to swedenborg, #829 of 1211 🔗

Is there a similar incentive in France, Swedenborg? That would explain their oddly high hospitalisation numbers throughout (which otherwise, I’m still scratching my head over) especially in the light of the very rapid admission/discharge pattern you showed a week or so ago.

115584 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to matt, #830 of 1211 🔗

Sorry I don’t know. The French data is sometimes even more odd than Spain especially for deaths of C-19 one for hospital and one for community.But Spanish gov.is relying on autonomous region for political support and therefore has to hand out money but France is much more centralised and need not splash out money to the regions but this is just a suspicion that France may differ to Spain in that aspect.

115212 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 7, #831 of 1211 🔗

Genuine question. When do people think masks in shops will cease to be mandatory in England? Christmas? Next summer? When emergency coronavirus powers lapse (is it 2 years?). When we have a vaccine? Never?

I’m going for July next year when it will be changed from mandatory to “advisable” but that’s probably just me being optimistic (and I’m amazed at myself for still having a small compartment of optimism left in my battered psyche).

115216 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Achilles, 6, #832 of 1211 🔗

Unless and until there’s pushback from more people, I can’t see why the government would bother relaxing it, unless it was in the attempt to create some kind of “feel good factor”. How would they explain it was no longer needed, having pushed it so hard, and what would it gain them?

The emergency powers could conceivably get renewed after 2 years. There might be a backbench rebellion against it, but the opposition might shore it up, unless they thought it could harm the Tories electorally.

115225 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, 8, #833 of 1211 🔗

Lots of people have already developed a mental health issue because of masks, they’ll never come off now as they will want to keep wearing them thinking that they’re always protected.

115221 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Achilles, 3, #834 of 1211 🔗

I like your downgrading distinction, that sounds plausible. Masks forever given flu kills as many.

115222 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Achilles, 1, #835 of 1211 🔗

Here to stay now I reckon.

115233 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Achilles, 8, #836 of 1211 🔗

The media and fashion industry are working hard to normalise the mask and celebrities are even wearing them during performances. It looks like a permanent winter (possibly even summer) accessory for the virtue signalling city dwellers – they fully believe the ‘I am wearing this to protect you’ propaganda. I bet it is compulsory for at least a year.

115245 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Darryl, 14, #837 of 1211 🔗

Ha! I was approaching a narrow-ish alleyway. There was already a young woman in it walking towards me but I don’t wait for people to emerge: social distancing is guidance. So I entered the alleyway. She was so concerned for my health that she stopped and hurriedly put on her mask before I got to her. Her quick actions probably saved my life.

115385 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #838 of 1211 🔗

Maybe you should of feigned an ‘episode’ and started rolling about on the floor clutching your chest. Her poor head would of exploded.

115388 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to Darryl, 1, #839 of 1211 🔗

Most definitely, all new tv adverts are full of masked actors and some recent music award show had mask fashion on full display…sure makes lip synching a breeze!!

116190 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Eddie, #840 of 1211 🔗

Boycott all companies and what not who show masked people.

115234 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Achilles, 5, #841 of 1211 🔗

If you can get people so stupefied with terror that they will do something as barmy as wearing a mask, then you are onto a good compliance training regime. Why would you give it up if you are the sort of self-seeker that is a big enough creep to be in this cabinet?

115256 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 1, #842 of 1211 🔗

Why would you give it up if you are the sort of self-seeker that is a big enough creep to be in this cabinet?”

True, but is it just THIS cabinet? Masks are global – most of them are creeps.

115269 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 2, #843 of 1211 🔗

I don’t disagree – but I can only cope with so much idiocy at a time; and this lot are the floaters on the general sewage. 🙂

115244 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Achilles, 1, #844 of 1211 🔗

Until the revolution comes or Bill Gates says so whichever come first.

115349 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, #845 of 1211 🔗

Have people seen this little video? Dr Birx in the USA accidentally lets slip that she is working for Gates:

115252 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Achilles, 3, #846 of 1211 🔗

I think until spring. At least I hope that it will be that early. Very, very sad, makes me soo depressed.
What worries me almost more is how many people will carry on, or keep doing it in winter for the foreseeable future because they think they are being considerate to other people.

116191 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Silke David, #847 of 1211 🔗

They will have to invent mask scapers here in Canada to clean off the snow and ice.

115258 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Achilles, 1, #848 of 1211 🔗

My bet is that once a vaccine is out and the population has been vaccinated – which will be in a long time – the mandate will go in some place but remain permanently in several settings, e.g. hospitals and clinics, planes, public transport maybe.

116195 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stewart, #849 of 1211 🔗

Screw their Mandate! Just say no.

115270 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Achilles, 13, #850 of 1211 🔗

I find I really cannot understand why so many people are ok with masking up. The case for them working is negligible, they look disgusting and dystopian, young children are being forced into them and they increase the viral load for the wearer. I actually never believed so many were so unthinking.

115272 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to KBuchanan, 6, #851 of 1211 🔗

Wait until they all start getting “mask mouth,” i.e. bad breath, gum disease, tooth decay, eye infections, bacterial chest infections, skin infections.
Then they’ll have to wear masks to cover it all up….

115282 ▶▶▶▶ LuluJo, replying to Lms23, 2, #852 of 1211 🔗

I watched a woman today as we were queuing for the bank. She adjusted her mask, repeatedly, pulled it down under her chin, put it back on and then touched her eyeball (!) to adjust her contact lens. Ewww.

115408 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Lms23, 1, #853 of 1211 🔗

The coughing is what’s getting to me. I was on a bus today and again several masked people were coughing. Either from their mask or because they were smokers, no way to know really. So I’m sitting there without a damned mask and not coughing.

116196 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to ConstantBees, #854 of 1211 🔗

Why does it have to be smokers? It could have been the disinfectant that public transport uses to disinfect their buses. Potent stuff. And who knows what the contents are?

115271 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Achilles, 2, #855 of 1211 🔗

I’m going with Never, until and unless there’s some serious pushback against them, then the PTB can save face and change their advice.

115279 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Achilles, 1, #856 of 1211 🔗

no time before Halloween at least

116198 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to crimsonpirate, #857 of 1211 🔗

Halloween could be lots of fun. Protest with the most groteque.

115288 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Achilles, 3, #858 of 1211 🔗

It’ll probably remain mandatory for quite a while – definitely well into spring next year. But, I expect normal people (non-bedwetters and non-virtual signallers) will eventually get fed up with them, especially as the rags start to get manky, and try to minimize using them. Then the question will be whether the govt decides to clamp down (Victoria-style) or just ignore it, but not actually lift the mandate.

Most people I see around SE London are not wearing them out & about except when they go in shops / transport (even there a few brave ones don’t); pleantly of shop / restaurant / pub staff are not bothering with them at all.

115576 ▶▶ matt, replying to Achilles, #859 of 1211 🔗

I can only see two ways out.

First option: the government suddenly realizes the mistake, sets the record straight and withdraws the mandate.

And when we’ve picked ourselves back up off the floor from laughing.

Second option: compliance declines so much that it becomes irrelevant.

116199 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to matt, #860 of 1211 🔗

Quit waiting on the government. They’ve been in control for long enough.

115229 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #861 of 1211 🔗

Stamp duty being relaxed was a Covid19 response. As a result the sale of houses market has gone frantic. Fastest sales in 10 years being reported. Personally aware of homes being sold in two days on the open market. Large over-bids being placed. An estate agent friend suggests the bright light will quickly fade when the stimulus ends.

115232 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basics, 2, #862 of 1211 🔗

I reckon it’s more to do with the build-up of the stasis in lock-up being released.

115250 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to RickH, 1, #863 of 1211 🔗

Could be. Also the desired reshuffling of lives brought about by the fear. When the stimulus ends we we know if it has had an effect.

Another stimulus was 10k for every home to go green. The green recovery. That is silent.

115265 ▶▶ Will, replying to Basics, #864 of 1211 🔗

When does the stamp duty holiday end?

115284 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 1, #865 of 1211 🔗

Next April I thought

115278 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Basics, 1, #866 of 1211 🔗

In London acquaintances had their (expensive) house on the market a week and received two offers – both from Chinese families. Perhaps the Hong Kong situation is also contributing.

115622 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to bluemoon, #867 of 1211 🔗

The Chinese do have money. Reportedly even the wealthy, Jackie Chan, etc, could be on the move.

115239 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 17, #868 of 1211 🔗

Just looking at the Malcolm Kendrick article that’s linked to in a comment above:

I wonder if he’s onto something very important. He is identifying the actual instances at the start of this disaster where the world’s top ‘scientists’ mixed up CFR and IFR. This is why Covid was promoted as being ten times the fatality rate of flu (it should have been about the same), and why Neil Ferguson predicted 500,000 deaths in the UK and 2 million in the States when it should have been a tenth of that figure*. A simple mix-up over two numbers that are about a factor of ten different from each other.

I have often despaired that the ‘public inquiry’ we are promised will be a whitewash, with everyone involved being able to blame someone else or claim it was a sincere judgement call, etc. But this is not the case if an actual stupid, elementary mistake is there on the public record . Ferguson made an actual verifiable factor-of-ten error in his IFR figure; Fauci made multiple such errors; Chris Whitty is supposed to be this brilliant, dependable scientist, but he didn’t spot the error either – or chose to ignore it. Either way, we have the science establishment irrefutably guilty of making a schoolboy error.

As Kendrick says:
I am simply drawing your attention to what has simply been – probably the biggest single mistake that has ever been made in the history of the world.


*In fact much less, because Ferguson didn’t factor in T-cell immunity, etc. etc. Most of the UK’s 50,000 deaths were very much in the ‘with’ category, and many not even that. But even if we let that pass, the CFR/IFR mix-up is surely sufficient for Ferguson’s shame to be undeniable.

115277 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #869 of 1211 🔗

This is the document discussing the testimony to the congress


copying a comment yesterday
“Public health lessons learned from biases in coronavirus mortality overestimation”
One of the most fateful information to the US Congress in March was the probability that C-19 was 10 times deadlier than flu. This was contrary to an NEJM article in Feb which stated that “C-19 the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%).”However that was a mistake as the WHO had seasonal flu IFR at 0.1% But the congress was informed the adjusted mortality rate from coronavirus of 1% was then compared with the 0.1% mortality rate from seasonal influenza(IFR), and the conclusion was reported to the House Committee that the coronavirus was ten-times more lethal than seasonal. I think informing the congress that C-19 was 10 times deadlier than seasonal flu was important from a psychological perspective. Ten times deadlier. Have they been informed that the CFR for swine flu was in the same range as C-19 and perhaps that C-19 was 4 times deadlier than seasonal flu (comparing IFR) or C-19 the same as Asiatic flu 1957 or twice as Hong Kong flu perhaps they would not so easily accepted the lockdown.

115514 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to swedenborg, #870 of 1211 🔗

Smoking gun stuff

115519 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to swedenborg, #871 of 1211 🔗

I am not sure. As I commented on the Kendrick article.

I looked into this a while ago: the 0.1 rate cited as an IFR for flu, I cannot find any papers anywhere that back that up. Kendrick posted a link to a WHO document but it just describes it as “mortality” – it doesn’t specify which.

As we know, 75pct of flu is asymptomatic, we need to know what flu deaths are and flu cases to work out IFR and CFR.

I want to be sure we have it right before we call this a smoking gun.

115540 ▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Sophie123, #872 of 1211 🔗

I think IFR 0.1% in sesonal flu is quite well established compared to 0.5% in Asiatic flu 1957. The established CFR more difficult depends upon how many cases diagnosed.The IFR for non pandemic seasonal flu 0.1% in this quotation Francois Balloux


115588 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to swedenborg, #873 of 1211 🔗

I can’t see that tweet for some reason.
i’ve seen 0.1pct quoted all over the place, but can’t find any publications to see the methodology behind it.

115704 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Sophie123, #874 of 1211 🔗

For some context, an Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) of 0.65% for #SARSCoV2 would be in line with the 1957/59 influenza pandemic (0.67%). It would be higher than for the 1968/69 and 2009 ones, and far below the 1918/19 pandemic (>2.5%). Non-pandemic seasonal flu IFR is ~0.1%.
Balloux one of the leading virologist

115578 ▶▶ matt, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #875 of 1211 🔗

“I am simply drawing your attention to what has simply been – probably the biggest single mistake that has ever been made in the history of the world.”

Churchillian understatement.

115253 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #876 of 1211 🔗

The Case Against Covid Tests for the Young and Healthy Hunting for asymptomatic cases encourages pointless shutdowns. Protect the vulnerable instead.
Opinion in WSJ by Kulldorf, Bhattacharya (both common sense scientists US)

115283 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, #877 of 1211 🔗

The WSJ has seemed one of the saner newspapers

115257 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 28, #878 of 1211 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/09/04/city-centre-shops-remain-deserted-office-workers-stay-away/ (paywall) but lots of anti mask comments with a lot saying the British Retail Consortium asked for masks to get the terrified out with the result that the terrified still haven’t emerged but the people who had been happily shopping are now not bothering. Own goal

115263 ▶▶ Will, replying to arfurmo, 12, #879 of 1211 🔗

Exactly my situation although we are worried about all the people touching their putrid face nappies and then touching everything in the shop; thereby risking exposure to colds, sickness and diarrhoea etc which are actually harmful for my immuno compromised daughter, unlike the disappearing covid.

115267 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to arfurmo, 6, #880 of 1211 🔗

I heard on the radio yesterday about an office worker who worked in Canary Wharf, on the 22nd floor of one of the buildings.
Only two people are allowed in the lifts at any time.
The office worker waited 45 minutes before he could get into a lift….

115328 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Lms23, 5, #881 of 1211 🔗

part of the governments fight against obesity. a quick walk up 22 floors via stairs will burn off a lot of calories

115402 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to mjr, 1, #882 of 1211 🔗

Too bad they’re driving people off public transport and into cars instead. At least transport users have to walk to and from buses or trains.

115274 ▶▶ RickH, replying to arfurmo, 6, #883 of 1211 🔗

All predictable. I’ve never been someone who shopped for entertainment – but a lot of business depends on that form of recreation. Kick the shit out of what might make it pleasurable (admittedly a concept beyond my grasp) and you have empty shops … quod erat etc.

115621 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to RickH, 2, #884 of 1211 🔗

I’m a guy who has always liked shopping (a.k.a. a total weirdo!) – but this sentiment is on the money, apart from necessary supplies, I’ve done virtually zero recreational shopping now for some time.. just socially depressing & debilitating, in general. Unfortunately I’ve noticed that lots of small animal charity shops (particularly) have been forced to shut, clearly they must be seriously struggling; these are not companies that have large funding sources, that you see on TV ads almost every day. Very sad.

115302 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to arfurmo, 10, #885 of 1211 🔗

Went shopping yesterday in my local shopping centre. It was virtually empty mid morning. Whilst queuing to pay in one of the shops, a lady commented that she liked my exemption badge. I explained to her ( and for the benefit of the rest of the queue) about the government website for exemption cards. Told her the government
was only making us wear masks to encourage us to go shopping and that it was the BRC who had pushed for masks. As she was of the age of hot flushes, she was grateful for the advice!

On exiting the car park later, I noticed that one of the electronic signs said, “Wear a face mask if you want to”. It was probably an old sign that had been displayed before mandatory masks but could it be a way of easing ourselves out of mask wearing?

Perhaps shops too would be more successful in attracting more customers if they adopted the “No mask, we won’t ask” sign that was shown on this site a few days ago. Not enough people are aware that they can exempt themselves without any problems at all. If they weren’t wearing a mask to go shopping before the mandate came in, why not let them have that same choice now? To wear or not to wear?

115345 ▶▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Margaret, 1, #886 of 1211 🔗

The government website for exemptions is a bit difficult to find and navigate.

Try pointing people to this website: nomasks.info which contains all the detail required about legal exemption from wearing facemasks / coverings. Also has lots of links to articles, etc..

115363 ▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Ozzie, 1, #887 of 1211 🔗

Won’t they be more receptive to a government website though because they equate the government with the law? “If the government says I don’t need to wear a mask, it must be true”?

115381 ▶▶▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Margaret, #888 of 1211 🔗

It quotes directly from gov.uk

115405 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Margaret, #889 of 1211 🔗

It’s long, but the title of the government page is “Face coverings: when to wear one, exemptions, and how to make your own” – search for it, and it’s usually the first hit. There are links to downloadable exemption cards.

115330 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to arfurmo, 1, #890 of 1211 🔗

The comments are good, a tiny glimmer of hope.

115268 Basics, 1, #891 of 1211 🔗

Episode 1 of Keep Britain Free Show is streaming live now.


115286 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #892 of 1211 🔗

Is it time to empower ourselves by reclaiming the term covidiots?

I’m just back from a week in Greece. Drinking unlimited beer in the sun, watching live music (the band ended with ‘Keep on Rockin’ in the Free World) and poncing about on boats for a week is the perfect tonic for the soul.

However, I return to see mask compliance up and general drudgery amongst zombies continuing unabated. Well if this little anecdote makes me a covidiot then so be it.

115299 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tom Blackburn, 7, #893 of 1211 🔗

Funnily enough I overheard a mum of small child today saying how amazing it was on holiday in Spain, everyone masked up and wearing disposable gloves etc and how “on it” they are over there compared to how “badly” we are doing it here. Apparently she felt safer over there, and even safer on the plane than she will do next week when the small child goes back to its dangerous school. It was depressing.

115321 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #894 of 1211 🔗

Maybe she should p*** off back there then

115375 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Julian, 2, #895 of 1211 🔗

Yes, that’s what I thought too. And good riddance.

115342 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #896 of 1211 🔗

She’d have a meltdown here in Sweden then!!!!

115315 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Tom Blackburn, #897 of 1211 🔗

Yup coviot of the highest order who will now be spreading the virus and killing grannies left right and centre. Obey the new dictat -muzzle up, quarantine and most of all renounce fun.

115340 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tom Blackburn, #898 of 1211 🔗

We need a new name for ourselves, something with liberty or freedom in!

115401 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Carrie, #899 of 1211 🔗

It’s not broad enough, but I refer to myself as “maskfree”.

115364 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #900 of 1211 🔗

We should re-apply the term “covidiot” to the supporters of the government’s line.

115294 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 3, #901 of 1211 🔗

Mark Dolan on masks. I’m forced to wear one in Victoria.


115314 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Caramel, 1, #902 of 1211 🔗

Wowza! He is fantastic. Has he been speaking out like this before? Well done that man

115337 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Caramel, 4, #903 of 1211 🔗

Reading the comments right now. Interesting one: “Yeah to get people use to a guilty until proven innocent system rather than the innocent until proven guilty system we have now.”

Hadn’t thought of it in those words before.

115301 Tommo, 8, #904 of 1211 🔗

Letter received from primary school. Kids start on Monday. A few new processes – staggered start and finish times, bubbles, no bags, have to wear PE kit all day for PE days. All a bit annoying, but the school came good on masks. No masks needed, and kids will be asked to remove masks before entering school. Hooray!

115303 Rabbit, replying to Rabbit, 11, #905 of 1211 🔗

I thought it was worth posting that it’s not all negative with children going back to school, both of mine returned to primary and secondary school this week. There are no requirements for masks to be worn and their day was not that different from normal even if they are being kept in the year groupings currently assigned.

Also out of a lot of parents I only spotted maybe 3 at most masked. Generally everyone was acting normally, I really thing despite what the dimwits in government etc come out with a lot of people must think this is all rubbish or are at least wising up to it.

115306 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Rabbit, 9, #906 of 1211 🔗

Youngest got asked to play Tig without contact today. He reports the kids laughed their heads off. Even 9-10 yr olds know this is silliness of the highest order.

115322 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Rabbit, 1, #907 of 1211 🔗

Everyone looking normal round here!

115305 Harry hopkins, 5, #908 of 1211 🔗

Those of you who read my letter as below might be interested in the reply I’ve just received from the RHS.


Dear Mr Hopkins,

Thank you for contacting us. As requested I have updated our records to ensure that nothing further is sent out to you.

We will continue to follow all applicable government guidelines and will keep the information on our website http://www.rhs.org.uk up to date with what that means at our gardens.

I hope that we can welcome you back as a member in the future.

Kind Regards

Ruth Le Ber
Membership Communications
& Quality Assurance Manager

At least a courteous response. It’s a pity there’s no indication whatsoever that they will be questioning the whole Covid scam—‘only continuing to follow all applicable government guidelines’—but at least I may have made them think. I really didn’t expect a reply so that’s a surprise for me.

115307 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, #909 of 1211 🔗
115319 ▶▶ Julian, replying to crimsonpirate, #910 of 1211 🔗

Another area with a high ethnic minority population. Don’t know why such areas would be targeted, but it seems they are being

115341 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Julian, 1, #911 of 1211 🔗

Elitism, snobbery, tinged with a bit of casual racisms?

115361 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, 2, #912 of 1211 🔗

A good way for us sceptics to sell it to the locals!

115371 ▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Julian, 1, #913 of 1211 🔗

Just like Leicester.

115373 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to smileymiley, #914 of 1211 🔗

The mayor of Leicester is not a lockdown fanatic.

115404 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John P, 2, #915 of 1211 🔗

One of the sane ones who was shouting about hospitalisation rates over cases.

115476 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #916 of 1211 🔗

Sensible old Labour type.

115399 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Julian, 2, #917 of 1211 🔗

Plays well on the Daily Mail. I assume it does well on the Sun too. Really don’t like all the comments I see there about “dirty” people. The whole point of the government’s actions is to paint certain groups, including the maskfree, as “dirty. I’m sure we all remember where that approach took the world in the past.

Anyway, I get tired of writing DM comments about divide and conquer, but it is the explanation for the government’s behaviour that makes the most sense to me.

115477 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Julian, #918 of 1211 🔗

And an extremely young one too. Lockdown would be counter productive

115308 Cbird, replying to Cbird, 20, #919 of 1211 🔗

Fantastic rant – talk radio presenter cuts up his mask live on air:


115339 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Cbird, 9, #920 of 1211 🔗

Yes everybody watch the video above.This is the most mainstream anti mask argument so far .Mark Dolan good man.

115352 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to Cbird, 2, #921 of 1211 🔗

Sorry CBird- tried to give you a thumbs up and my clumsy fingers failed me!!

115358 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Cbird, 2, #922 of 1211 🔗


115359 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cbird, 19, #923 of 1211 🔗

Mark Dolan, Talk Radio, at 1614 on 4th September 2020.

“Time for the government to recalibrate its response to Covid-19… The medicine is now killing the patient. The damage to our country from Covid measures is a clear and present danger to our way of life and jobs. The only option is to get back to normal. The first step to achieving this is to get rid of these wretched, God-awful, damned, blinking uncomfortable, scientifically empty, useless masks.”

Great stuff!

115369 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #924 of 1211 🔗

Only listened to a short bit of Mark Dolan just after 5pm but he certainly was doing a damned good job. A lot of anti mask sentiment out there.

115370 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Cbird, 3, #925 of 1211 🔗

An excellent piece. Everyone should see this.

115374 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Cbird, 4, #926 of 1211 🔗

That a boy!!! Slice ’em and dice ’em!

115398 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Cbird, 2, #927 of 1211 🔗

Loved it!!! Made my day. I only wish there was some rebellion where I live.

115465 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cbird, #928 of 1211 🔗

Good one that guy!

115310 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 13, #929 of 1211 🔗

In Sweden a random sample of 2500 people in April showed that 0.9% were C-19 infected.The same study and population in the end of May 0.3 %.And the last study same amount of people in the end of Aug 0% C-19 pos.And you need to quarantine in UK after visiting Sweden, a country with lower infection than European Union in total.

115316 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 14, #930 of 1211 🔗

I wrote to the relevant govt department weeks ago asking exactly what criteria they were using and why Sweden was still on the quarantine list

No answer yet

100% political

115335 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, 5, #931 of 1211 🔗

Exactly – see this : https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1301562871759937539
Graph showing cases per 100k. Sweden 11.1, cut off for quarantine is 20 so Sweden well under, yet still on quarantine list. Political decision!

115430 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Carrie, 4, #932 of 1211 🔗

I’m sure someone in the MSM will be putting a cabinet minister on the spot about this, very soon. LOL!

116203 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Carrie, #933 of 1211 🔗

Check out the Czech Republic. Less deaths than any other European country. Don’t know all details but interesting just the same.

115329 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, 7, #934 of 1211 🔗

It was 0 positive out of 2500 tests which means between 0% and 0.04%. Pretty much exactly the same as the UK. But obviously you have to be quarantined as revenge for Sweden’s failure to self-inflict as much harm on themselves.

115474 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to swedenborg, #935 of 1211 🔗

Are SAGE ready to cope with the obvious questions? And what would the WHO say?

116205 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Yawnyaman, #936 of 1211 🔗

Who cares?!

115311 p02099003, 3, #937 of 1211 🔗

Scottish decisions made by First minister of Scotland.
Welsh decisions made by first minister of Wales.
Northern Irish decisions made by first minister of Northern Ireland.
English decisions made by Prime Minister of the UK.
There’s a wide variety of evidence not only on this site but also Dr. Kendrick’s blog, Ivor Cummins on YouTube, Beda Stadler, Dr John Lee and others. How can all of this be used to change the current status quo, get this lockdown and the associated hysteria lifted.
Lift the lockdown, flatten the hysteria, save lives.

115318 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 37, #938 of 1211 🔗

Had fun morning. Friend of a friend of the wife has a little trucking company and needed a driver for a couple of hours to fill in as the regular guy and to go do something personal.

Turned up, he took my temperature – 35.1 degC so I asked when was it last calibrated as according to that I’m verging on hypothermic and yesterday’s reading are all 38+? Did he know the normal human temperature – he didn’t. Did he know that the WHO says doing this is pointless in the current situation as a pointer to anyone having the virus and did eh want a copy – he didn’t and would take my word for it.

Then he asked if I mind taking helper out for experience as he had just had 4 months on furlough and needed to get back into it, no problem, someone to talk to. Guy got in the cab with a mask. 30 seconds his glasses steamed up and it’s below his nose. 10 mins later it’s off for the rest of the morning once I explained the exemptions, the cab was 2.5m wide (OK, bit of an exaggeration, outside the truck is, inside isn’t) so it’s over the 2m and did he know where social distancing come from? Then risk assessments and lack of scientific evidence, illness from masks etc, did his boss explain all this and so on?

4 hours of chatting away and found out he had done no independent research, just the crap from MSM and facebook.

Between drops got him reading some sites and turned him into a semi-sceptic but he would keep looking.

Got back to the yard, saw the friend of a friend of the wife, had a chat about masks, risk assessments, how they cannot be written as no science or evidence to back-up the mitigations as being sufficient to justify the mitigations, he is responsible if his staff become ill using the mask too long and so on so he had better be careful.

He asked how did I know so much.

My answer: “when you lose all your contracts and business in one day with no new contracts in sight for the foreseeable future I wanted to know why and it’s all based on a big lie” – or words to that effect anyway.

Maybe another couple of people started on the road to full blown scepticism and some idiocy of a company stopped even if it was the threat of him being liable with big fines etc if sued that did it and not my compelling arguments.

115482 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #939 of 1211 🔗

Good work.

115485 ▶▶ FiFiTrixabelle, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #940 of 1211 🔗

I’m saying it again….”Awkward Git, you are my hero” xx

116211 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Awkward Git, #941 of 1211 🔗

That’s how the War of Independence started:

115320 DJC, replying to DJC, 29, #942 of 1211 🔗

Okay. Let’s take a deep breath everyone.

It’s obvious now that “Covid” is a mental disorder that has infected a majority of the population. It seems to have been transmitted via television and social media, and IQ hasn’t necessarily been a barrier against infection. We, so far immune, have been cast into a hitherto unprecedented situation – the sane, rational, “conservative”, “normal” people are now in the minority. Normal behavior is now seen as dissident.

Whether we see this as a result of decades of dumbing down of culture, of the inexorable decline of traditional Western values, or of a sinister conspiracy of the WEF, WHO, UN, Bill Gates and who know who else, at the end of the day what are we going to DO!! Because one way or the other the culture and life that we prize so dearly is dying with every day that passes, in England, the UK, the British Isles, Europe, and across the globe.

115324 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to DJC, 11, #943 of 1211 🔗

Have felt this from quite early on will end boring conversations about spikes etc by asking people not to infect me with their nonsense. Yup, the country is riddled, I’m afraid.

115325 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to DJC, 17, #944 of 1211 🔗

The phrase, “mass psychosis” has been in my mind all day. I agree with everything you’ve said, although I would like clarification of your use of the word “conservative”, admittedly in inverted commas.

I’m not the only left-leaning person on LS. I don’t believe those sucked in by the mental infection are exclusively leftists. There are simply too many of them – the older woman on the bus the other day who cringed as I walked past her, maskfree, almost certainly is not on the left. And there are thousands like her.

So please let me mentally remove the word conservative from “sane, rational, “normal” people are now in the minority. Normal behavior is now seen as dissident”. We dissidents need to stick together.

115331 ▶▶▶ DJC, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #945 of 1211 🔗

And “conservative”, as you noticed, is in inverted commas. I mean conservative as in “the way we have always agreed to live together regardless of our political persuasions”. I don’t know another term for this apart from “normal”, but “normal” has lost all sense alas in these mad times.

115393 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to DJC, 3, #946 of 1211 🔗

Thanks for the reply. I hoped that was what you meant. The older meaning of conservative that I learned as a child was related to conserving what you have, which can range from the environment to “social relations,” as you’ve described, but social relations included segregation, as we had in the US when I was young. So a tricky word at best.

I think your statements work just fine if you simply omit the word in question and leave the tent open to all of us.

I also think “normal” still belongs to us. When I comment on the Daily Mail, I usually write “real normal,” but that’s simply for emphasis.

115396 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to DJC, 1, #947 of 1211 🔗

I’ve been thinking this more and more often too – and I have also asked myself if I’m as psychologically entrenched in the belief that this IS a hoax as the Covid believers are in their belief that it’s real? Is there any way we can ever be reconciled? I fear we have reached deadlock – it will take a mainstream figure, someone who the masses will listen to and follow, to break ranks and say what’s really going on, with irrefutable proof that simply cannot be denied. But I despair of this ever happening. Denise Welch has been the closest thing to this that I’ve seen so far, but even she is being reviled as a conspiracy theorist who is causing great harm from her lies (despite the fact that she only ever refers to the government’s own figures).

In the meantime, I think you’ll enjoy this blog post by Jon Rappaport in which he describes the phenomenon of self-induced psychological COVID. His solution? Such a sufferer needs to “take a sledgehammer to his own complicity AND the propoganda of the States. Crack the egg and climb out and breathe.”


115463 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Quernus, 4, #948 of 1211 🔗

The evidence for it being a hoax seems thin. It’s something, but has been seized upon by various groups for nefarious ends. It’s not what it is portrayed as, but it’s not completely made up. The idea of a terrible plague is fantasy, but there does seem to be a virus that kills people, as viruses always have. Not trying to attack anyone here, but saying it’s a hoax may lose us support which we need. I don’t think it needs to be a hoax for the case against the huge overreaction to be made.

115326 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 12, #949 of 1211 🔗

Just watched the evening news and saddened to see that people of all ages and backgrounds are all equally brainwashed and continue to follow like sheep.
Paint your left kneecap purple ; “yes sir”/ wear a traffic cone on your head :”yes miss”/ Perform reverse triple somersaults every other day; “no problem”
I’m finding it very difficult to keep my sceptical spirits up.

115344 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Fingerache Philip., 16, #950 of 1211 🔗

My spirits have been destroyed by our insane, inept (no, utterly utterly useless shower of sh*ts) ‘leaders’. I just cannot believe what has been done to our nation.

115412 ▶▶ Les Tricoteuses, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #951 of 1211 🔗

Just find a group of working class people and you’ll find they’re far to busy to pay any attention to the the govt or msm

115333 PWL, replying to PWL, -1, #952 of 1211 🔗

The whole herd immunity thing is perhaps a red herring in support of the official narrative. SARS-COV-2 (whatever it is) doesn’t seem to have been very contagious or infectious.

There’s a Covid-19 death toll because the NHS withdrew death pathway treatment of tens of thousands.

Covid-19: utterly false perception of great danger created by letting some old and ill people die

115351 ▶▶ John P, replying to PWL, 3, #953 of 1211 🔗

No it’s not a red herring. And I can see no way in which this supports any “official narrative”.

115511 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to PWL, #954 of 1211 🔗

The link’s a bit weird:
‘simple extrapolation enhanced by application of other knowledge reveals a story of the NHS essentially withdrawing treatment, or death pathway management as it is called here, so that ten of thousands of people died all in one short space of time (instead of over a longer duration) in order that it looked as though these people had been struck down by a virulent disease…’
There is no suggestion that the NHS withdrew treatment, in fact it looks like numbers of people were aggressively treated by intubation who survived in pretty poor condition, requiring lengthy follow up physio and other therapies. It’s a bit like aggressive resuscitation, arguably kinder to let an 85 year old slip away peacefully than break their ribs in the cause of extending their life.
‘people who were going to die imminently had the stigma of Covid-19 attached to them, …Government is casting around amongst the immunosuppressed vulnerable to find indicators of Covid-19 so as to boost figures’.
In the past an elderly person who went in and out of hospital with a fall, then a urinary infection, then the worsening of some chronic condition like prostate cancer, would ultimately contract a respiratory infection in hospital and be certified as having died of pneumonia, ‘the old man’s friend’. (with other underlying conditions. )
Nobody calls that having the stigma of pneumonia attached to them! And sometimes you don’t even know if it was viral or bacterial pneumonia. This year, we actually know that in many cases the virus concerned was SARs Cov2. Surely it’s sort of useful, especially if you’re trying to work out the most effective treatment for a new disease, to know which is the prevailing virus that’s making them ill, so as to try and treat them and others appropriately?

115334 Biker, replying to Biker, 17, #955 of 1211 🔗

Gary Numan’s Cars with a slight change to the lyrics

Here in my mask

I feel safest of all

I can cover my face

It’s the only way to live

In masks

Here in my mask

I can hardly breath

I can hide from you

It keeps me stable for days

In masks

Here in my mask

Where where my face breaks down

Will you visit me please

If I take off my mask

In masks

Here in my mask

I know I’ve started to think

About leaving tonight

Although nothing seems right

In masks

115343 ▶▶ John P, replying to Biker, 1, #956 of 1211 🔗

I always hated that song.

115347 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to John P, 4, #957 of 1211 🔗

i’ve made it contemporary

115350 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Biker, 4, #958 of 1211 🔗

It’s an improvement !

115416 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jim Binks, replying to John P, 1, #959 of 1211 🔗

The Verve
Now the Masks don’t work
They just make you worse
But I know I’ll see your face again

115346 mjr, replying to mjr, 30, #960 of 1211 🔗

Piers Morgan ….. as featured in several posts today regarding his abusive bedwetting tweet against Denise Welch’s speech on This Morning

Well. he has just tweeted
BREAKING: I’m delighted to announce my new book: “WAKE UP – Why the ‘liberal’ war on free speech is even more dangerous than Covid–19.”
Out on October 15th in hardback, ebook & audiobook

I think that puts him in prime position for hypocrite of the year. He has brought out a book defending freedom of speech. Yeah right Piers.. Only if its speech that agrees with you. Piers Morgan .. an arsehole that is more dangerous that covid

115356 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to mjr, 5, #961 of 1211 🔗

He is reminiscent of Titus Oates.

He pushed lockdown, claimed to be making government policy, and is as responsible as any individual for the results.

115379 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to mjr, 3, #962 of 1211 🔗

As per my above comment. If you don’t watch these over paid, useless, self aggrandising wastes of space you won’t get worked up with what they say. As the Americans say:

He’s not worth a bucket of spit.

115394 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to mjr, 2, #963 of 1211 🔗

If you look up bloviating buffoon in the dictionary, there is just a picture of Morgan, no words required.

115360 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #964 of 1211 🔗

An amazing Amazing Polly video. How are they censoring the narrative? Who is funding fact checkers? What is the precise connection between censors and fact checking?

Truly astounding if you can keep pace with Polly, I half did. Stick with Polly as she builds the trail.


If you dont have 40 mins to watch it. Remember the name of something called Crowdtangle – it’s a facebook tool for ‘journalists’, for use by an invitation only club.

Skip the first two minutes if the letter that follows p offends.

A brilliant reveal of how the social media networks are against us.

115383 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Basics, 2, #965 of 1211 🔗

I could only watch a couple minutes of it. Unfortunately, it jumps straight into “child sex trafficking”, something which I don’t think is directly related to the subject at hand, but rather makes me think of Pizzagate.

115413 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to ConstantBees, #966 of 1211 🔗

Keep in mind CrowdTangle. Perhaps look into that if you wanted to know about it.

115616 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to ConstantBees, #967 of 1211 🔗

IDK about Pizzagate specifically, but Liz Crokin has reported on dozens of elites & VIPs taken down by Trump for child sex offences the last couple of years, despite the fact these inc.the Seattle Mayor, & the President of Manhattan Young Democrats, you might wonder why they didn’t get more attention…

115439 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 2, #968 of 1211 🔗

Great stuff from Amazing Polly. Really interesting, a whole new world to me.

Social Media Manipulation.

Fact checking, crack teams of globalist minions using Crowdtangle to detect trending topics that must be suppressed across all media platforms or headed of at the pass, countered with a narrative that has been designed by experts.

All the usual suspects behind it, the Ukraine link, how the woman in the Ukrain was moved to offer her expertiese in co-ordinating this web of tech companies and billionaires to “manage” The Corona Project.

What Polly says about how all their narratives are crumbling. I hope she is right. They are pretty crap at what they do, yes they have almost destroyed the world but they only have one hammer in the tool box at the end of the day. Lies.

115441 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Basics, 1, #969 of 1211 🔗

Talking of narratives and censorship, here’s Michael Wendling from the BBC’s Anti Disinformation Unit, talking about this piece on the demonstration last weekend and the influence of the far right and conspiracy theories.

How Covid-19 myths are merging with the QAnon conspiracy theory


“We have no obligation to give a platform to erroneous ideas. We don’t, to take an extreme example, broadcast the manifestos of mass murderers alongside police statements so that people can “make up their own minds”.
I’m not saying the people there were violent. Some of them were (as the story reflected) were drawn by legitimate concerns. But the speakers (Mr Icke and others) were not expressing mainstream views that would benefit from airing and debate. “

115549 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Julian, #970 of 1211 🔗

Mike Wendling simply blocked Simon Dolan for daring to ask why bBC coverage of last Saturday was biased particularly around tge 10k fine. It is a reflection on what it means to be a disinformation unit head. Disinformation mind, not misinformation. Also not Counter Disinformation.

115749 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Basics, #971 of 1211 🔗

I am not sure the BBC, or any media organisation, should have anyone in such a role. They simply all believe they are superior moral guardians, and they do not believe in freedom of speech.

115618 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Basics, 1, #972 of 1211 🔗

In the Denise Welch segment on This Morning, posted recently, Eammon Holmes actually let it slip – media were informed, there is to be no questioning of the narrative, broadcasters have been severely restricted…

115368 tonys, replying to tonys, 30, #973 of 1211 🔗

BBC Look North have just carried a report on a chap who spent 64 days on a ventilator, of course he thanked the NHS for saving his life, the reality I suspect is they probably damn near killed him, but he is entitled to his delusion I expect it brings him comfort. Where this report veered in to downright criminal irresponsibility is that is went on to flag up and feature his heartfelt plea for mask wearing and the full lockdown rules. This was pure fear mongering, using a sick man to terrify the population, they have been doing this for months now with impunity, what a foul bunch they are.

115378 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to tonys, 23, #974 of 1211 🔗

Never, ever watch BBC so I don’t get to see all that disgusting tripe. Consequently, I don’t get worked up about anything they broadcast. First rules of maintaining sanity:

Never watch BBC

Never read newspapers—especially the ‘Guardian’

115390 ▶▶▶ tonys, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #975 of 1211 🔗

You are absolutely right, I am often overruled unfortunately by an OH who then sits through the whole programme tapping on her phone

115406 ▶▶ Gillian, replying to tonys, 8, #976 of 1211 🔗

The worst has to be The Nine on BBC Scotland. It’s an hour of news from a Scottish angle (even if it’s an international story, they always manage to find and highlight a Scottish angle eg a Scottish doctor bringing a special “Scottish” mix of care and medical magic-puke!- in a war zone) every weeknight from 9pm. Absolutely sick-inducing and totally “on” Sturgeon-message re covid. Tonight’s trailed prog is a piece about widow of a man who died from/with covid in April PLEADING with everyone to obey “the rules” re masks and the rest of it. Exploiting the bereaved. Nothing is too low for BBC Scotland.

115475 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Gillian, 1, #977 of 1211 🔗

The only good thing is that virtually no one watches this drivel. The viewing figures for the BBC Shortbread channel have been ridiculously low since the outset.

115403 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 11, #978 of 1211 🔗

The pilots of reduced crowds at sporting events is annoying. Allow a poxy amount of fans in and then what? If none of them die within 14 days of the event then allow more heavily reduced crowds for the foreseeable future. Completely pointless.

Do a pilot event of 100% attendance at a football match then when there is no increase in “Covid” deaths or hospitalisations, allows full crowds back everywhere. Sports, concerts etc.

Oh no, they won’t do that because then everybody would see what a waste of time the last 6 months has been. So now we’ve got to go through this tedious charade of getting crowds back which will take about 12 months.

115414 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Hubes, 1, #979 of 1211 🔗

They have stopped all pay on the gate now for my local club in Tier 8. You now have to go online and buy your ticket meaning that all your details are recorded and thus track and trace will be able to quarantine you if anyone else’s who attended the game tests positive.

115411 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 10, #980 of 1211 🔗

Just to remind you that David Icke has millions of followers and they probably are not all as far out as he is on subjects. When you toss him aside you are also tossing aside more potential alllies for this blog and many others. Think about it next time.

115418 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to richard riewer, -10, #981 of 1211 🔗

F*ck off!

115435 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to JohnB, 4, #982 of 1211 🔗

Well, can we meet in the middle and say that all sceptics should try to stick the core message, until we win some significant gains, because anything beyond the core message is harder to sell to Joe Public?

I have no strong view on Icke or his views, don’t know much about him, but think allies with some audience are valuable right now, provided as I said we can agree on a message. Not sure about millions of followers, but maybe you’re right.

115446 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to JohnB, 3, #983 of 1211 🔗

How about being a little more generous to people you don’t agree with? I like this site for its tolerance of different points of view. Why try to crap on it?

115459 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Bella, 2, #984 of 1211 🔗

How about we let everyone decide what they think without people saying shite like “why try and crap on it?” If someone is talking shit do you just agree with it so you don’t upset them because if you do that’s pathetic.

115449 ▶▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to JohnB, 6, #985 of 1211 🔗

Painful though it might be, there are times in life—and this is definitely one— when one must join hands with those who have rather more extreme views, as long as they are on the same hymn sheet with the core issues. I keep an open mind on David Icke; he has at least been bang on with the fact that the world’s people have been led by the nose for countless decades by useless politicians and that a great deal is being hidden from us.
We know the media likes to tarnish people who stand out from the crowd so it’s necessary to narrow the spotlight’s beam onto the major topics. Our enemies enjoy seeing us squabble; unity is everything.

115458 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to JohnB, 2, #986 of 1211 🔗

Roosevelt and Churchill had to form an alliance with a mass murderer (Stalin) in order to defeat an even worse mass murderer (Hitler). As the saying goes:

My enemy’s enemy is my friend’

115499 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #987 of 1211 🔗

The jury’s out on who was the worst mass murderer,but I agree with your point.Whoever opposes this nonsense is my ally.We can all argue when we get our freedoms back

115627 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JohnB, 2, #988 of 1211 🔗

I am a deserter from the Vietnam War and have been living in exile in Canada for the past 50 plus years. I have been called a coward and a traitor to my country for the past fifty plus years and lost my US passport for life. I have always been on the side of the oppressed and I don’t like what’s happening in the world just as much, perhaps even more, than you do. Any person that believes in the cause of freedom should not be summarily dismissed just because you don’t like the books they read, the films that they watch or the conspiracy theorists that they follow.

115456 ▶▶ Biker, replying to richard riewer, 1, #989 of 1211 🔗

The man talks utter shite. If you can’t detect the shite then maybe you’ve got a problem. Don’t get me wrong i enjoy a good conspiracy as much as the next man but Icke’s gig is a sub par Bill Hicks routine mixed with William Cooper and bit Alex Jones.

115545 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Biker, #990 of 1211 🔗

I thought Alex Jones was Bill Hicks

115473 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to richard riewer, 1, #991 of 1211 🔗

Eh? We look at the evidence and that’s it. The whole problem is caused by people who believe things from authority.

115522 ▶▶ matt, replying to richard riewer, #992 of 1211 🔗

It’s a dilemma. We are currently dismissed as conspiracy theorists, whacko libertarians, extreme right wingers, anti-vaxxers and domesday preppers.

On the one hand, these are the labels that are going to be attributed to us by the media anyway. And, so far as we know, we are few, so any opportunity to bring others to our cause is valuable. We need numbers.

On the other hand, whatever you think of people like Icke (I actually have very little opinion), he makes it much easier for the media to dismiss the most rational of positions (there is nothing more rational than dismissing the value of lockdown) as insanity, so associating with him and with the more extreme fringe views is unhelpful.

I don’t have an answer. If we’re going to storm Parliament, then we’re going to need all the bodies we can get, whatever they believe. If we’re going to change opinion, one person at a time, then associating with perceived crackpottery is not going to help.

115617 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to matt, #993 of 1211 🔗

I am not talking about embracing all of or any of David Icke’s theories or ideas, I am saying that there are probably moderates who pay attention to him as well as the more extreme. And that doesn’t matter now because when you diss him then you are setting yourself up as arbiter for who can be part of our cause. In that case you are behaving just like the government, the media and all the people who think we’re all nuts. Like your Prime Minister. You, then, are acting just like the Elites that are currently pissing you off. And that makes you a hypocrite.

115541 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to richard riewer, #994 of 1211 🔗

Simple rule. Play the ball not the man.

115419 Bugle, 1, #995 of 1211 🔗

Nice job, Will.

115443 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Charlie Blue, #997 of 1211 🔗

“The Department for Education and the Cabinet Office are said to have been aware of the misinformation circulating on social media, and the government’s rebuttal unit has been challenging posts on Facebook and other outlets.”

See the posts below from amazing Polly about how Crowdtangle is used to detect traits on SM….

115493 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Charlie Blue, #998 of 1211 🔗

Guardian readers
“What do we want? Facist dictatorship! When do we want it? Forever and ever! “

115424 hotrod, replying to hotrod, 1, #999 of 1211 🔗

Unnamed SAGE member doesn’t know why UK isn’t seeing the increase of ‘cases’ in France and Spain. But runs hands together suggesting that we will.

They may wish to take a look at Germany.

Moreover all three counties like the UK have no increases in deaths.


115431 ▶▶ Julian, replying to hotrod, 5, #1000 of 1211 🔗

For a group of alleged experts, these SAGE people seem to know jack-all, other than that we’re all doomed unless we keep listening to them. I’ve never seen any of them say anything remotely decisive or definitive about how the disease spreads and levels of immunity. What the hell have they been doing for the last 9 months?

Almost as if they just want to keep this crap going so they stay important and at the centre of attention.

115432 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Julian, #1001 of 1211 🔗

Read above!

115460 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Julian, 2, #1002 of 1211 🔗

SAGE are one of the most bizarre aspects of this whole charade. Who are they, do they actually know anything about virology, epidemiology or how people live in the real world? Why can’t they agree on anything? Why are they such strange human beings with such terrible ideas? They should be disbanded immediately.

115461 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #1003 of 1211 🔗

32 out of the 34 of them are paid directly by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, vallence is paid by GSK and the other “independant” one is paid my Microsoft.

115537 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Two-Six, #1004 of 1211 🔗

Chrck out the funding circle around fact checking organisations and internet censorship. You’ll meet some old familiars.

115586 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, #1005 of 1211 🔗

yes I just watched AmazingPolly’s video. Very very interesting indeed.

115612 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, #1006 of 1211 🔗

Are you sure about that?

115539 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A. Contrarian, #1007 of 1211 🔗

They are also almost exclusively academics. I would love to have been a fly on the wall when Cummings was in the meetings.

115536 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, #1008 of 1211 🔗

It’s institutional group think.

115428 janis pennance, replying to janis pennance, 2, #1009 of 1211 🔗

For those interested in my discourse with my MP … namely why his vote on extending Covid Emergency measures is dependant on the R number ,,, I asked him what it meant, why he thought it so important and how it was calculated
Here is todays reply

Thank you for getting back to me.

I did say ‘state of affairs’ as well as the R-number. I will take a broad view.

But if it is helpful to explain, the reproduction number (R) is the average number of secondary infections produced by a single infected person. The R value is essentially estimated by several independent modelling groups based in universities and Public Health England (PHE). The modelling groups discuss their individual R estimates at the Science Pandemic Influenza Modelling group (SPI-M) – a subgroup of SAGE. Attendees compare the different estimates of each and SPI-M collectively agrees a range for which the values are very likely to be within.

Further details on how the R-value is arrived at can be found on the Government website: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-r-number-in-the-uk

If the R-value spikes or rises significantly, it is important that the Government is able to act quickly and effectively in order to stop the spread of the COVID-19 virus.

Once again, thank you for email.

Kind regards,


Dr Kieran Mullan MP
Member of Parliament for Crewe and Nantwich

115429 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to janis pennance, 11, #1010 of 1211 🔗

The R number: several groups have a guess at it, and an average of the guesses is then published – as a range of values. In other words, it’s meaningless.

115529 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1011 of 1211 🔗

That’s how they decide LiBOR. And that was a total scam.

115450 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to janis pennance, 11, #1012 of 1211 🔗

What a complete idiot. The basis of the emergency measures and justification for the government to introduce further rules essentially by edict/ via statutory instruments ( thereby avoiding any debate or scrutiny) was that we were in an emergency scenario. We were told the LD and the co Vid legislation was necessary as a temporary measure – to flatten the curve to avoid NHS being overwhelmed- ie it was all about hospitalisations. Therefore, what’s the relevance of R if the disease is so mild that the number of hospitalisations from C Vid are a fraction of total hospitalisations and an even smaller fraction of deaths? Vast majority – mild /asymptomatic. In fact ‘cases’ ( ie positive tests) are rising ( which could affect R number) BUT no. of hospitalisations/ deaths continuing to decline , which clearly demonstrates its relative mildness for all but the vulnerable ( who would need medical care anyway). So, NO danger of hospitals being overrun by Co Vid , so NO emergency and NO justification for Emergency powers. Now, more than ever, we need Parliamentary scrutiny and due process ( ie new laws to only be passed after proper consultation, debate, regulatory impact assessment etc). If that had been the case the exam fiasco ( exam results based on a random algorithm) would never have been passed. Do these numpties think we’re stupid? I’m so ANGRY. Sorry to use capitals like sone sort of crazed teenager but I’ve really had enough of this.

115462 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Telpin, 1, #1013 of 1211 🔗

I felt the adrenaline!

115490 ▶▶▶ Gtec, replying to Telpin, 5, #1014 of 1211 🔗

My feelings are of despairing anger; despair that nothing really changes, and anger because nothing changes – not the kind of perfect circle that I wanted to see at my time of life, which is needlessly ticking away on nothing.

Actually, angry doesn’t even begin to describe how I feel about these proto-fascists governing us, ruling and ruining our lives on their whim.

They may, perhaps, be well meaning, but their actions suppress us, have – and continue to – cause immense pain and distress, and still there is no end in sight to this madness.

I’m too old for this nonsense and very prickly, so don’t cross me!

115498 ▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Telpin, 2, #1015 of 1211 🔗

Excellent summary … WTF is the “end game ” ? Covid elimination? Ludicrous

115451 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to janis pennance, 1, #1016 of 1211 🔗

It looks like he know what he is talking about but he doesn’t. That’s fairly clear.

It’s like no I can’t explain it in my own words but I know these people know, look at this list of different agencies I know of. I even know their acronyms, so it’s not up to me to know how it works. Cheers!

This is the Penis in a Bad Suit Guy isn’t it?

115496 ▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1017 of 1211 🔗

LOL …i’m going to reply , purely to piss him off really

115533 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to janis pennance, #1018 of 1211 🔗

Why pick out spi-m. Get him acknowledging spi-bs hate filled conspiracy of increase the sense of threat in individuals in order to garner more compliance. This MP is not an enabler of terror in his constituents is he?

115555 ▶▶▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Basics, #1019 of 1211 🔗

No, he just a knob

115571 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to janis pennance, 1, #1020 of 1211 🔗

I think he is an enabling knob. The very idea that personal levels of threat should be increased in the population by a government is sick beyond words. This guy, and the rest, just stand by.


“The advice given by SPI-B is immediately aggressive. “A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened,” they write. “The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging.”

In other words, SPI-B recommended to SAGE that levels of fear needed to be increased in order to bring levels of compliance with so-called ‘lockdown’ up to desirable levels.

“To be effective,” they continue, “this must also empower people by making clear the actions they can take to reduce the threat.”

“Here, SPI-B is making it clear that it can’t be left to individuals to decide which actions are appropriate; they have to be told.”

And the actual SPI-B document which outlines such agression against the population is here: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/882722/25-options-for-increasing-adherence-to-social-distancing-measures-22032020.pdf

115581 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, 2, #1021 of 1211 🔗

This is what opened my eyes to the scam.The non stop fear propaganda at the start.Just felt wrong

115585 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, #1022 of 1211 🔗

Everybody in the UK HAS TO KNOW THIS.

115468 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to janis pennance, 1, #1023 of 1211 🔗

The reply is pretty much covid ‘new-speak’ the R number is one of the many things that have annoyed me over this hoo-haa. Nobody ever seems to say what has made it go up or down? we are just supposed to accept it as a statement from the Gods. With Covid it is very much as Dylan put it; ‘you never ask questions when God is on your side”.

115470 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to janis pennance, 7, #1024 of 1211 🔗

He’s talking out of his Rs

115471 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to janis pennance, 4, #1025 of 1211 🔗

Thank you for sharing. If I were a teacher marking their R, the red scrawl would be “SHOW YOUR WORKINGS”.

115531 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to janis pennance, 2, #1027 of 1211 🔗

The R rate is tracking the number of cases found using tests which are not fit for purpose. It’s nonsense on stilts.

Check Dr McKendricks recent article on the faulty variables we have been working with and hit him with those truth bombs.

115556 ▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1028 of 1211 🔗

Can you give me a link ? Would be delighted to truth bomb him

115573 ▶▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to janis pennance, #1029 of 1211 🔗

Found it now

115562 ▶▶ matt, replying to janis pennance, #1030 of 1211 🔗

Dr Mullan, by the way, never became a consultant. He’s now about 35 and became an MP in 2015, so is likely to have been a registrar or maybe senior registrar by the time he left the profession. He worked as “a junior doctor” in A&E and, gawd bless him, apparently volunteered during the pandemic. Because that was more important than working to protect his constituents from totalitarian creep.

There is a problem – I think the most important problem – that (as far as I can tell) all MPs and (as far as I can tell) all members of SAGE and many members of the wider medico-scientific establishment suffer from.

It is taken as a given that SARS-CoV-2 is a terrible affliction and therefore a laser focus on countering SARS-CoV-2 is completely justified. Nothing is more important than the spread of the virus. That’s the only reason the R number might be relevant. Kieran Mullan gets a gold star for being able to find out how the R is “calculated” and understanding what it is, but it’s still so much nonsense, because it still relies on opaque computer modelling performed by groups of unknown quality with unknown interests, who are essentially making up a number and then arguing about hw many decimal points it should be either side of 1.

The R number, by the way, is about 1. You can see this from the fact that the ONS population survey has suggested that about 0.05% of the population is infected, and this is about the prevalence they have been reporting for _weeks-

Dr Mullan may be suffering from the delusion worse than most because he is: 1) a conservative MP and so disinclined to go against the government line (and probably only listening to the government line); 2) medically qualified and so confident in his own assessment (uninformed though it is); and 3) may have been on the Covid wards at the height of hospitalisations, so has a distorted picture (I’ve tried to find the specific March/April hospitalisation numbers for the Crewe and Nantwich area, but gave up. I’m sure someone else can – assuming that’s where he volunteered).

The only real question here is – is this virus serious enough to justify doing absolutely everything we possibly can to stop absolutely anyone from catching it? If the answer is yes, then he’s in the right. If the answer is no (as is demonstrably true), he’s being spineless and wilfully ignorant.

115570 ▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to matt, #1031 of 1211 🔗

Looking at the data from end of June there were 210 deaths at Leighton Hospital , not entirely sure he volunteered there as there appears some controversy as to whether or not he lives in his Constituency

115433 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1032 of 1211 🔗

EmergingPandemicDiseases:HowWeGot toCOVID-19
A general article about pandemics and C-19 but Fauci gets philosophical in the conclusion

“Fauci goes full flower child: “COVID-19 is among the most vivid wake-up calls in over a century. It should force us to begin to think in earnest & collectively about living in more thoughtful & creative harmony with nature.”

115438 ▶▶ Julian, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1033 of 1211 🔗

“COVID-19 is among the most vivid wake-up calls in over a century. It should force us to begin to think in earnest & collectively about living in more thoughtful & creative harmony with nature.”

FFS. He’s paid to look after public health. How on earth has Trump not sacked him? Yes, it’s a wake-up call, because now we realise the world is being run by evil bastards like Fauci.

115559 ▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Julian, #1034 of 1211 🔗

Trump isn’t talking to him anymore …hoorah

115605 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Julian, #1035 of 1211 🔗

To some extent, I think you have to pick your battles – a bit like Trump threatened to release the whole remaining JFK records, CIA threw hissy fits, so Trump caved a little.. this time… Slowly slowly catchy monkey….

115440 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to swedenborg, 8, #1036 of 1211 🔗

The virus is actually a part of Nature. Doesn’t he realise that?

115472 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1037 of 1211 🔗

What a prat. “Thoughtful and creative harmony” means wealthy western middle classes who don’t need to work, and can buy cheap goods made by poverty labour in other countries.

115565 ▶▶ matt, replying to swedenborg, #1038 of 1211 🔗

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a man look more pleased with himself than recent Fauci

115436 yohodi, replying to yohodi, 8, #1039 of 1211 🔗

Apols tae Rab..
Wee sleekit cowering timerous beasties..
O’what a panic in thy breasties..
wetting thy panties O’er a virus..
that does nae harm tae 99.9% O’us….

115577 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to yohodi, #1040 of 1211 🔗


115442 annie, replying to annie, 30, #1041 of 1211 🔗

Hello folks! Been away for a few days pony trekking in the Welsh Marches. Glorious countryside and nobody gives a damn about Covid bollox, apart from the obligatory ‘stand here’ notices embellished with pairs of blue feet, which in one place were artistically fixed ten feet up on the walls.
Sanity still exists, if you know where to look for it.

115453 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, 3, #1042 of 1211 🔗

Missed you x

115538 ▶▶ hotrod, replying to annie, 1, #1043 of 1211 🔗

May I ask where? Looking to get away and that area is on my list!

115705 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to hotrod, 1, #1044 of 1211 🔗

Around Hay-on-Wye. Lovely area. Won’t mention the lovely hostelries we stopped at, for fear of attracting the Gestapo.
Hay is in Wales, but its supermarket (Co-op), a few hundred yards from the town centre, is inEngland, so on go the nappies. But I, dropping in for a few provisions, wasn’t challenged and nobody looked surprised. One of our hosts later confirmed that most Welshies shop there bare-faced, and nothing is said. I was glad to duck back into Wales, though!

115567 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to annie, 2, #1045 of 1211 🔗

‘The Ocracoke Ponies’ by Jennifer Grotz

No one saw the first ones
swim ashore centuries ago,
nudged by waves into the marsh grasses.

When you look into their faces, there is no trace
of the ship seized with terror, the crashing waves
and the horses’ cries when thrown overboard.

Every afternoon you ride your bicycle to the pasture
to watch the twitch of their manes and ivory tails
unroll a carpet of silence, to see ponies lost in dream.

But it isn’t dream, that place
your mind drifts to, that museum of memory
inventoried in opposition to the present.

You felt it once on a plane,
taking off from a city you didn’t want to leave,
the stranded moment when the plane lifts into the clouds.

That’s not dream, it’s not even sleeping.
It is the nature of sleeping to be unaware.
This was some kind of waiting for the world to come back.

115609 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #1046 of 1211 🔗

Sounds great. I only saw Pembroke Castle when I visited Wales in 1976. Wanted to explore more. Wild scenery. Love it. The day I went there by bus there was fog everywhere so I couldn’t see much.

115707 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to richard riewer, #1047 of 1211 🔗

Yeah, we do good fog, and really wet rain.
Pembroke castle is open just now – great place to explore- though you have to book tickets online. Pembroke town is pretty good too, not plastered with horrid Covid street clutter like Haverford and, sadly, Tenby.

115447 hotrod, replying to hotrod, 2, #1048 of 1211 🔗

Germany and Belgium daily cases.

Similar trajectories, recent rises and now on the decline.

I wonder why?

Belgium was on the ‘danger list’ a couple of weeks ago.

115469 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to hotrod, 1, #1049 of 1211 🔗

Minor second spikes probably relating to people coming back from holiday. Clearly the Berlin demonstration led lots of people to take healthy exercise outdoors and increase their immunity.

115452 Eddie, replying to Eddie, 9, #1050 of 1211 🔗

Well, well, well…I just opened the Instagram app on my phone and a reminder to wear a mask with a helpful link to the WHO website appeared for the first time ever. I’m now feeling much safer knowing that Instagram cares about my well being and would like to guide me in the right direction in times like these.

We should all reconsider our sceptical stance at once!


115454 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Eddie, 9, #1051 of 1211 🔗

wow. Evil.

115466 swedenborg, 4, #1052 of 1211 🔗
115488 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #1053 of 1211 🔗

Keep Britain Free

Visit http://www.keepbritainfree.com for more.

In this episode we explore the main topic of the week; Back To School and the social distancing

115492 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #1054 of 1211 🔗

I can recommend this video.

115544 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #1055 of 1211 🔗

Very Good legs SORRY I meant video – a very good listen!!!!!

115689 ▶▶▶ sunchap, replying to Steeve, 1, #1056 of 1211 🔗

Forgive me for my ignorance, but if; C-19 has only twice the IFR of the flu; around about the same proportion of the population is susceptible; and the flu takes thirty times as many years from your life as C-19 – then the flu is about 15 times as lethal as C-19?

I would base this on an Infection Fatality Rate of 0. 28% for C-19 (from the US CDC) versus the flu IFR of about 0.14%. The latest research, from the Lancet etc., also indicates that 60% of the population has pre-existing immunity. Research also indicates that the average age of death from the flu is 50 but Covid-19 kills about a year before the average age of death ie 80.

In other words, the Governmental response to C-19 should have ben limited to protecting care homes only…

115691 ▶▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to sunchap, 1, #1057 of 1211 🔗

Pretty much.

And giving them all with large quantities of Vitamin D which at worst would have strengthened their bones.

116227 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Steeve, #1058 of 1211 🔗

Great legs!!!

115501 annie, replying to annie, 34, #1059 of 1211 🔗

Strikes me there’s one thing we need to campaign and agitate about and one thing only: bring back the old normal. The normal normal.
It doesn’t matter what other theories – conspiracy and otherwise- you may hold, or what your political stance is, or what you think about Bill Gates or Brexit or climate change or anything else. We need to be what Bernard Levin used to call single-issue fanatics, because we have a single issue that is overwhelmingly important.
Just bring back the normal normal – which is what the vast majority of people want, for all their superficial compliability – and all other issues can be re-ignited as and when required, in a sane, free country.

115504 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to annie, 16, #1060 of 1211 🔗

Yes. I would like my life back, please. Just that.

115516 ▶▶ RickH, replying to annie, 6, #1061 of 1211 🔗

Totally agree – hobby- horse riding such as 5G etc. is a distraction.

115600 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to RickH, 3, #1062 of 1211 🔗

True – but the WHO have plainly recently, there is no way at all we will go back to our ‘normal’ lives.

..though they also said at various points, there is no chance the virus will transmit between humans; & that countries should not ever close their borders…. 🙂

115521 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to annie, 5, #1063 of 1211 🔗

Freedom from tyranny.

Which means an end to this tech arms race which has been unmasked by this crisis. The way they’ve just pulled out all this health surveillance tech, electronic Ids, location tracking – it shows just how they were waiting in the wings. Just needed an opportunity.

These people are sick. And need to be stopped by refusal to cooperate. It will coming knocking on all doors and we all may need to pay a heavy price to demonstrate strate our opposition

115524 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to annie, 3, #1064 of 1211 🔗

Well said, Annie!

115530 ▶▶ Basics, replying to annie, 4, #1065 of 1211 🔗

Normal normal. No new normal. Normal normal.

115613 ▶▶ wendy, replying to annie, 3, #1066 of 1211 🔗

Yes I want normal normal

115745 ▶▶ Julian, replying to annie, #1067 of 1211 🔗

We need a back to normal political party to get behind. Agree – focus on core message, that’s harder to attack and we don’t need to get to motives, focus on way forward

115510 Sir Patrick Vaccine, #1068 of 1211 🔗
115513 tonys, replying to tonys, 2, #1069 of 1211 🔗

Just how significant is this post by Malcolm Kendrick?

115520 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to tonys, 6, #1070 of 1211 🔗

The stuff on the misinterpretation of IFR and CFR? It’s the smoking gun of incompetence. I shared it with anyone I know takes time to read such things.

It is an excellent summation of the corner that we’ve or they’ve painted us into. This meaningless testing is creeping into the mainstream now with the NYT article I feel.

115535 ▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1071 of 1211 🔗

Mainstream, where? Would be great if it was.

115604 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to hotrod, 3, #1072 of 1211 🔗


And Carl Henegens team continue to make inroads.

115619 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1073 of 1211 🔗

Iceland’s testing was in March. Diamond Princess before. Even the bloody Wuhan numbers and the way they were counting cases was showing it was not the plague. And that’s with all the theatrics.

The Italian situation was bad but it’s bad most years in that part of the country.

This has been reported for months.

115550 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to tonys, 2, #1074 of 1211 🔗

Very good summary of the situation. The problem has been exacerbated as this virus is a drama merchant and a script for a horror movie, it has caused a number of dramatic horror cases that has given it a billing way beyond what the actual stats would suggest. This seems to have helped blind everybody to accepting the true situation that this statement represents.
Much of the general public have also bought into the line that we are about to be hit by a second wave. This is tricky one, there is no evidence of a second wave but if people believe it is coming what can you do or say to counter that belief?

115582 ▶▶▶ Alethea, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1075 of 1211 🔗

My hope is that at some point the media will judge the coronacrisis to have fallen below an acceptable level of drama – this must happen, because the numbers of deaths simply won’t support the horror movie – and then, motivated primarily by the desire for ratings and ad revenue, will construct some diversified story-lines and eventually some entirely new plots. The energy, appetite and passion will all leach out of Covid. It will be annoying for people like us who might be hoping for a day of reckoning, because there might not be one.

115518 DRW, 23, #1076 of 1211 🔗

Just got back from meeting a friend at the pub. Wasn’t bothered about the T&T book or the one way system anymore. Save for Sky News in the background it was a nice relaxed environment, filled with much chatting and laughter. No antisocial distancing at all- one couple were fine with people coming up to fuss their dog, whilst a group of young/middle aged women were even sharing hugs all round as they left.
Really touching to see some ‘real normal’ human interaction, gives me some faint hope that the brainwashing hasn’t completely worked and most are just compliying for quiet lives. I might go again soon to gauge how sceptical everyone is.

115523 nfw, replying to nfw, 4, #1077 of 1211 🔗

The Victorian Po-lice are just so brave. Reminds me of the Gestapo, Stasi and KGB. Not to mention the public security bureau (how Orwellian) in China.

115534 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to nfw, 8, #1078 of 1211 🔗

I would be ashamed to be an officer in that service at the moment. How these people can do what they are doing horrifies me. Surely there must be some who want to question their supervisors and say, ‘no, we are not raiding people’s homes for facebook posts’. Surely some have a better moral compass. I fear complete indoctrination has taken place in the state of Victoria.

115551 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Girl down Under, 1, #1079 of 1211 🔗

I fear an outright majority of people are straight up fascists. Liberty has always been a minority interest.

115596 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Girl down Under, #1080 of 1211 🔗

We’re not quite there yet (he says, hopefully..!) but it was only a month or two ago someone posted online a video, where he was confronted at his front door by police for ‘malicious’ social media comments, he was not arrested, not charged, not even told what exactly the issue was, but was told he may have a court summons.

Harry Miller (think he was a UK police officer formerly) made headlines a year or so ago, interrogated by police for literally nothing more than “liking” something online that mentioned gender; police deemed it was transphobic.

115624 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #1081 of 1211 🔗

Yes it was registered as a non crime hate incident.He was told by a policeman to check his thinking.

115703 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Girl down Under, 1, #1082 of 1211 🔗

Having the power to abuse and humiliate other people is intensely corrosive.I remember on TV some years back, they did a little re-enactment with a presenter in the role of a Victorian turnkey in a prison, equipped with uniform, keys, truncheon snd unlimited power over the inmates. He saud himself that he was horrified by the speed with which it turned him unto a swaggering, shouting bully..

115725 ▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to annie, #1083 of 1211 🔗

The infamous Stanford prison experiment in costume.

115525 Tee Ell, replying to Tee Ell, 13, #1084 of 1211 🔗

Got home a bit pissed and wrote a letter to a councillor near me who is considering a local lockdown. Then pasted it in here and realised there are spelling errors ha, oh well:

Dear J

I understand you are currently reviewing whether to implement a local lockdown for Leeds, as it has been identified by PHE as an area of concern.

I would urge you to reconsider this, since:

– In order to maintain a rational outlook, we must analyse hospitalisations and mortality. If the figures we are seeing in Yorkshire follow the pattern identified in France, Spain and elsewhere – then a slight increase in positive results reflects the increase in testing and shifts in demographic for those tests, and will not result in a rise in serious illness. A lockdown, on the other hand, is guaranteed to be detrimental – since it will have a direct impact on people’s ability to feed themselves and heat their homes.

– PHE are basing their numbers on positive PCR tests, not cases. It’s very possible that in many instances, the qPCR tests are simply finding remnant RNA, rather than disease-causing infection. Without knowing the cycle count for PCR tests, or having some accompanying data (e.g. Ig-A/Ig-G/Ig-M antibody or T-cell immunity levels) this is an extremely weak foundation. They are also not sharing full demographic data – it may simply be that low level spread amongst a younger demographic will help reduce susceptibility before the winter season, protecting those more vulnerable. These facts are not sufficiently taken into account within the PHE analysis.

– The vast majority of scientific evidence – both modelled and measured – suggests the Gompertz function has played out i.e. we can expect continuing low levels of spread imminently, with a spike in the winter. This will be the case whether we lock down or not.

– Flu / pneumonia deaths are currently higher than SARS-CoV-2 deaths, as per ONS data. Overall, deaths are currently lower than the seasonally-adjusted average and have been for around 2 months now (also based on ONS numbers). Given this, inflicting a lockdown on people seems unjustifiable.

If you are currently reviewing whether to take these measures, I would encourage a careful risk analysis that takes into account the pros and cons. It will increase fear amongst those who feel vulnerable, damaging the mental health and therefore the fabric of our society. It will make people poorer, and of course we understand the secondary issues that result from poverty.

It also, once again, impacts very obviously on our basic human freedoms. While I am not an advocate of ever doing this, I think even those that are would surely agree that strong justification must exist. In March / April of this year, mass momentum or ignorance may have been fair excuses for making some mistakes, but the weight of evidence now means that such a move would be clearly reckless.

If you do choose to support this, I would be very keen to understand the rationale and the risk assessment that has been undertaken prior to making this decision.

Thank you for all that you do for the people of Leeds!

Kind regards,

115532 ▶▶ tonys, replying to Tee Ell, 5, #1085 of 1211 🔗

Good letter, no doubt the response will boil down to ‘but duh r number might go up’.

115542 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Tee Ell, 7, #1086 of 1211 🔗

I am in awe you can write such an excellent letter when you are ‘a bit pissed’. Great work.

115569 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Girl down Under, 3, #1087 of 1211 🔗

Hear hear!

115702 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Girl down Under, 1, #1088 of 1211 🔗

Be sure to post the letters you send when you are sober.

115563 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Tee Ell, 4, #1089 of 1211 🔗

There still seems to be a great belief that we will be hit by a second wave and therefore all this action is to avoid this. There is no evidence of a second wave but it is hard to provide incontrovertible evidence that it is not going to happen. Apart from just waiting until it just does not happen, how do we convince the world that there is not going to be a second wave?

115593 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Steve Martindale, #1090 of 1211 🔗

Yeah I’m struggling to work out the most convincing argument.

There seems to be a weird logic, it’s almost “there must be a risk of a second wave… because otherwise why would they be doing this?” – rather than people looking at it from the biology/stats angle and actually attempting to assess probability.

This suggests to me that the way to convince certain people has to be an emotional or “cause” related argument, rather than science and logic. But I have no idea what that looks like ha.

I guess for some people, the idea that government and authority could be “lying” to them scares them, because if that’s the case what can they depend on? So I think part of it is just about making people feel safe.

115608 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Tee Ell, 3, #1091 of 1211 🔗

Even now if Boris came out and said they had made a mistake I think he could turn it around. If he doesn’t what will he look like. I can’t believe they don’t know. They can’t keep trying to hide as the evidence mounts up

115607 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Tee Ell, #1092 of 1211 🔗

Very good letter.

115528 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #1093 of 1211 🔗

The lunatics are close to taking over the asylum. This is nothing more than “I shower more often in a day than you therefore I can claim to be cleaner than you”:

Mask Up and Shut Up
 COVID-19 transmission would go down if we spoke less, or less loudly, in public spaces. Why aren’t more people saying so?


“Every route of viral transmission would go down if we talked less, or talked less loudly, in public spaces,” Jose L. Jimenez, a professor at the University of Colorado at Boulder, who studies disease transmission, told me. “This is just a very clear fact. It’s not controversial.”

115547 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #1094 of 1211 🔗

Sick in the head. Just utterly demented.

115552 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #1095 of 1211 🔗

Shut up Jose, you murderer.

115606 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1096 of 1211 🔗

Let’s all become Mimes.

115614 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #1097 of 1211 🔗

How to these fools get to be professors?

115690 ▶▶ ColoradoGirl, replying to Nobody2020, #1098 of 1211 🔗

A rite of silence: more proof that this is a new religion.

115698 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1099 of 1211 🔗

 COVID-19 transmission would go down if we spoke less, or less loudly, in public spaces. Why aren’t more people saying so?

Indeed. They should be speaking up about it. Shouting it from every street corner.

115546 Ben Shirley, replying to Ben Shirley, 14, #1100 of 1211 🔗

I don’t want to sound like an arse, but the most depressing thing I’ve read on here today is at the end of the text about the Australian wedding.

“We touched masks in defiance.”

Really? What were you defying? You’re allowed to touch masks so you were defying nothing. An act of defiance would have been ripping your masks off and kissing. What would they have done if you had? Were there policemen there to see that all rules were stringently obeyed?

I know it’s a difficult situation for all of us, but you’re wedding is only the time when you become joined by holy rites to the person you love more than anything in the world, and you’re prepared to mark the occasion by brushing one person’s strip of soggy plastic against the other’s? The mental image makes my stomach turn. I could not get married under such circumstances. I would ordain myself as a priest, consecrate my own home and conduct my own ceremony on my terms.

115564 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Ben Shirley, 6, #1101 of 1211 🔗

I can’t help thinking it’s propaganda bollocks. Who in their right mind would do this…..

Sorry I mentally travelled back in time by 7 months

115575 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ben Shirley, 7, #1102 of 1211 🔗

Can’t work that one out.You are not legally allowed to kiss your spouse.What do they expect you to do on the wedding night.? How on earth can anyone stand for this crap I don’t know.

115700 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1103 of 1211 🔗

You wear masks on your wedding night, ensuring that they cover any area of the body that touches the other spouse.

115615 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ben Shirley, 3, #1104 of 1211 🔗

You touched masks so you might as well have touched lips since you’ve been incubating all those pathogens in your masks.

115699 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ben Shirley, #1105 of 1211 🔗

Your marriage on those terms would be a truer marriage that the horrid perversions now on offer.
As for priests, cucullus non facit monachum. 

115548 hotrod, replying to hotrod, 12, #1106 of 1211 🔗

That Malcolm Kendrick blog, wow.

Can we get this onto the home page tomorrow and can Malcolm do the MSM interviews on Sunday morning?


Just wow!

115558 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to hotrod, 2, #1107 of 1211 🔗


115579 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to hotrod, 8, #1108 of 1211 🔗

Yep he is right about the numbers. It’s a massive “mistake”. The thing is this was pretty obvious all along, right from the start that the figures were just ludicrous. Anybody who said this was censored of the face of the planet.

I don’t buy the mistake theory. This is fraud. A monumental scam.

115591 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Two-Six, 2, #1109 of 1211 🔗

I believe he too mentioned the positive aspects to HcQ a while ago, and attempted to get a mini stockpile for his trust/NHS area. Blocked, I think.

115597 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Two-Six, 3, #1110 of 1211 🔗

The fear mongers have caused so much misery, deaths and sadness if it is a fraud or scam they are murderers.

115602 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to wendy, 5, #1111 of 1211 🔗

I have started to feel our only way our is for Trump to win the election. I think he would call this all out but no one else will

115632 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Two-Six, #1112 of 1211 🔗

thingers and thumbs

115595 ▶▶ wendy, replying to hotrod, 4, #1113 of 1211 🔗

And it is backed up by Carl Heneghans recent estimations of the infection fatality rate of 0.49 to 0.3. It will fall further to 0.1 as dr Kendrick says. It’s what we have all been saying on here for so long.

115697 ▶▶ annie, replying to hotrod, 3, #1114 of 1211 🔗

The ‘case’ lie is classic Newspeak: the systematic perversion of the English language in order to maintain terror and make thoughtcrime literally impossible. The best example is the Newspeak meaning of the word ‘safe’, but ‘case’ runs it very close.
Imposing Covidspeak is not a difficult task, seeing that zombies find thought of any kind impossible anyway.

115553 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 12, #1115 of 1211 🔗

Bozo has kept Portugal off the quarentine list and made Abbott part of the trade team, going against the MSM and the wee Krankee. Has someone stapled a pair of bollocks on the clown?

Are we about to see a new improved Boris? Fcuk I’m ever the optimist…

115554 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Major Panic, 4, #1116 of 1211 🔗

He’ll sack Abbott tomorrow morning.

115560 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Major Panic, 1, #1117 of 1211 🔗

Do hope so for all our sakes

115611 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Major Panic, 2, #1118 of 1211 🔗

Tiny mouse bollocks?

115561 mrjoeaverage, replying to mrjoeaverage, 17, #1119 of 1211 🔗

Ok, ok, ok, shoot me down.
But does anyone feel the same as me…..
I can’t wait for Covid to be proved to be the fraud it is, because I can’t wait to see the demise of Piers Morgan.
Ok, life these days has sent me a bit insane, but I long for these small victories; they keep me going !

115589 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to mrjoeaverage, 3, #1120 of 1211 🔗

Funny thing is I’ve seen Piers on other things – the Life Stories interviews generally I find OK , some of his things he has done in the US, regarding crime, gun control, have been really interesting and well argued documentaries.. Not all bad. Last few months though he’s gone into total clown mode – oh yes, this could turn out to be his demise.

…unless on the other hand, come November you realise Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, the entire Chinese Olympic Swimming squad and the ascendants of Shergar all apparently voted for Biden in the mail, in which case it’s covid-mark II…

115592 ▶▶ wendy, replying to mrjoeaverage, 1, #1121 of 1211 🔗

Yes I too want to see piers Morgan fall flat on his face, or much worse and soon.

115603 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to mrjoeaverage, 4, #1122 of 1211 🔗

He is a smarmy bastard for sure. The way he shouted at Piers Corbyn was despicable. An insignificant Bully.

115610 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1123 of 1211 🔗

Probably thinks only one man in the world should be called Piers.

115630 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1124 of 1211 🔗

2019 stop Corbyn 2020 stop Corbyn-plus ca change!

115631 ▶▶ Gillian, replying to mrjoeaverage, 4, #1125 of 1211 🔗

Funny, I’ve been musing on this for a few weeks now and realised with a jolt only over the last day or so that the absolute best thing which would result, if suddenly (wet dream, I know) this was all exposed in the media as the sham we know it is, would be to watch Piers Morgan’s public apology and recantation on Good Morning Britain, along with Dr Hilary doing the same. God, if only!

115634 ▶▶▶ jim j, replying to Gillian, 1, #1126 of 1211 🔗

I see Piers on the street most days. I can assure you he doesn’t act the same way he does on tv…
“Are you not entertained!”

115566 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #1127 of 1211 🔗

Had a somewhat dystopian lunch with a friend today. She’d sneaked over illegally from a local mockdown and we were looking forward to a change of scenery. We went to our favourite tiny cafe in a local village but it was full so, we tried a new place.

Book to sign in. Gave false name etc of course. Distancing signs everywhere. Pleasant waiter behind visor, otherwise seemed normal enough. Didn’t fancy anything on the menu so moved on again.

Next cafe – we’d been before mockdown and weren’t very impressed so it was a last resort.
Greeted by young girl in face nappy behind a perspex screen. She offered me a pad of small sheets for contact details. I said I wasn’t obliged to give them. She assured me I was, for T&T. I said I was entitled to withold my consent. She informed me in that case they would refuse me entry. I was so impressed with her balls that I decided to stay. Left false id of course. At least they don’t have you display your details in a book for all to see.

Service pretty poor (like last time). My friend had a great time playing the I can’t make out what you’re saying game with a bemuzzled waitress. She was apparently asking if we wanted salt and pepper. It arrived in tiny packets literally thrown onto the table. Where the cruet should have been was a tasteful dispenser presumably containing sanitiser.
Food was ok though and the coffee was good. Two breakfasts, a tea and a coffee for £10. Guess we shouldn’t complain too much – but we won’t be back.

Most depressing though was the number of people walking through the village wearing face nappies. I’d thought the people queuing outside the limited entry shops were wearing theirs for convenience but, no. Seems to be the norm in what I’d have expected to be a gritty Yorkshire community, the birthplace of Enoch’s hammer.

I’d been telling myself I ought to get out more but all those outdoor face nappies were a nasty shock to the system. Pity we don’t have a local cafe ……

115620 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1128 of 1211 🔗

Re Enoch’s Hammer – I fear we may be seen as the Luddites come the final reckoning, standing in the way of the Great Reset.
And so to bed.

115594 NickR, replying to NickR, 4, #1129 of 1211 🔗

There are 2 high-speed ribs operating out of Padstow, no doubt great fun, riding over the waves, seaspray all over, engines roaring. I watched amazed, all the passengers, all forward sitting, all in the open, all totally windblown, all masked!

115684 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to NickR, 1, #1130 of 1211 🔗

I mentioned yesterday the girl who went to Weston Super Mare who had to wear a mask walking up and down the pier, one way system in force, natch.

115696 ▶▶ annie, replying to NickR, 1, #1131 of 1211 🔗

It’s ‘public transport’. Same daftness reported in Wales a few weeks ago.
It ensures you don’t infect the seabirds.

115598 Londo Mollari, 1, #1132 of 1211 🔗

Caerphilly County Borough in Wales looks to be about to introduce a lockdown based on a rise in positive tests. The morons at the council can’t distinguish between a test and an actual illness. The first victims are the residents of care homes. All visits banned, so the torture of isolation continues. this seems like, “destroy a village in order to save the village.”

115599 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 3, #1133 of 1211 🔗

You keep mentionning Sweden but neglect to check out the Czechs. I don’t know all the details but they did better than any other European country:


115695 ▶▶ annie, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1134 of 1211 🔗

Czech it out!

115601 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #1135 of 1211 🔗

Remember all those videos of people in China dying in the street and being removed by men in haz mat suits?

Remember when that happened here? Me neither

115710 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1136 of 1211 🔗

Videos shared on TikTok…

115623 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #1137 of 1211 🔗

Edinburgh No New Normal demonstration. Local paper suggests 600 say they will attend.

Its an ugly report by Edinburghlive. But nothing more than expected.

115646 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Basics, 1, #1138 of 1211 🔗

I’m so sick of the use of ANTI to generalize certain groups into simplistic categories. It’s pathetic when the argument is framed in black or white / this or that / right or wrong usually by the powers that be. People can wear their masks until Halloween for all I care!

115629 Paul M, replying to Paul M, 4, #1139 of 1211 🔗

Shared the Safety Mask song with lots of people – a great way of getting the message across.
Have a great weekend, and keep up up the fight

115642 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Paul M, #1140 of 1211 🔗

No doubt, it is pure gold!!

115635 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 14, #1141 of 1211 🔗

Slightly disturbing conversation with a friend yesterday evening. First time we had met since lockdown, in a pub. He, quite unprompted, came out with a strongly sceptical analysis of the last six months. Great, I thought. Off I went to the gents, thinking this would be the direction of conversation.

On my return, he started talking about ‘safety’ and how the various pubs he has been in have put him more or less ‘at risk.’ I took a double take. Clearly, people can believe one thing in theory, and something totally different in the minutiae of practical living.

In this case, I have a suspicion of what makes the difference: it’s the damned mask. For whatever reason, he wears it, and we believe what we do. Religions have always understood this, they use and cultivate habit, because what we do configures our beliefs. As most of us recognise, compliance rags were mandated for psychological reasons – to enforce the impression of an ongoing crisis. But it is disturbing how effective they are in that capacity. People may put them on only out of fear of the law, or getting pepper sprayed. But they slip into believing in their actions, believing in ‘the threat,’ even when intellectually they know it’s bollocks.

115641 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Ovis, 6, #1142 of 1211 🔗

Fascinating Ovis, I had never considered this vein of thought. In the space of a couple weeks here in BC, Canada, mask use has gone from like 40% and now up to 80% from my observations…all voluntary (cringe)

115694 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ovis, 2, #1143 of 1211 🔗

Quintessential doublethink: holding two notions in one’s mind simultaneously, knowing them to be contradictory and believing both of them.

115709 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Ovis, 4, #1144 of 1211 🔗

There is much about the public reaction to this hoo-haa that indicates that as a society we are not as far away from the dark ages, witch-hunts, sorcery and and soothsaying as we might have liked to think.
Face-masks and ‘getting Tested’ are like medieval religious practices to ward off the cunning and evil ju-ju beelzebub virus.
It sometimes feels as if the renaissance and the age of enlightenment and reason never happened!

115748 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1145 of 1211 🔗

Muzzles can be seen by many (unconsciously or otherwise) as talismans – the constant touching and fiddling with them reminds me of the patting and stroking of an object carried on the body or in a pocket for protection and reassurance

115743 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ovis, 3, #1146 of 1211 🔗

A lot of it is the effect of the sunk cost fallacy I think. Also I think people subconsciously avoid confronting the madness because they don’t want to face the fact that things are terrible, because it’s upsetting.

115644 Allen, 4, #1147 of 1211 🔗

Can we get these two articles up and talked about:

Covid-19: the problems with case counting

And this study just came out from Carl Heneghan and Tom Jefferson:

Viral cultures for COVID-19 infectivity assessment. Systematic review


115651 Nessimmersion, 3, #1148 of 1211 🔗

We need to do as Dr Kendrick has outlined and change “cases” to “positive swab” each and every time the hysterics refer to case numbers.
It will eventually penetrate if there is a concerted effort

115660 Bruno, replying to Bruno, 3, #1149 of 1211 🔗

Interesting to note that the list of research questions currently underway in UK (click on the ‘active partners’ button), most of which were apparently generated in April, includes the ‘collateral damage’ questions (missed cancer and heart disease treatments etc) so often asked about here.

115665 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Bruno, 1, #1150 of 1211 🔗

And this study aiming to recruit all patients who have been in ICU and compare their genome with those with mild symptoms, should be interesting too.
Dido Harding has recently stepped down from this company to take up her new role. Current CEO, Chris Wrigley, has spent time with FO, Counter Terrorism unit.

115661 Chicot, replying to Chicot, 13, #1151 of 1211 🔗

What on earth?! This is the top story on the BBC News website. Someone’s clearly messed up here. Give it an hour or so and they’ll probably remove it or change the headline.


115667 ▶▶ Allen, replying to Chicot, 4, #1152 of 1211 🔗
115679 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Chicot, 2, #1153 of 1211 🔗

04.15 still there, someone is going to get a slap as you suggest Chicot. Screenshots taken to aid The Conversation.

115701 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1154 of 1211 🔗

06.03 Still There!

115753 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Steeve, 1, #1155 of 1211 🔗

8.01 still there!!!! heads will roll

115686 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to Chicot, 4, #1156 of 1211 🔗

Maybe the new guy is serious about changing them?

115692 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Chicot, 1, #1157 of 1211 🔗

Suggest you repost this as soon as tomorrows page is opened, or could someone do so on your behalf ?
(Not me, I lack the skill from Android).

115706 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Chicot, 9, #1158 of 1211 🔗

‘Cometh the hour cometh the man’ Prof Carl Heneghan slowly methodically professionally and diplomatically chipping away at the huge iceberg that is Covid-nonsense, every bit you chip away the next bit goes a bit easier until the media and the public wake up smell the coffee and it starts to melt away more quickly.
The Government have now invested huge amounts of money and political capital in testing and vaccines, there are increasing signs that the final act of this virus will be to slip away and leave the Government with a huge amount of egg on its face.
What we need is for a few MPs to break ranks and have the courage and vision to call this out, I think we are nearly ready for that bandwagon to start to roll.

115714 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #1159 of 1211 🔗

Icebergs smell of coffee if you chip away at them?
Can you get tea-flavoured ones?

115718 ▶▶ Will, replying to Chicot, 4, #1160 of 1211 🔗

Heneghan deserves a statue!!!

115662 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 20, #1161 of 1211 🔗

As far as I can see the “sceptical community” here been right just about everything.

The general thrust here has been:

1. This isn’t the effing plague. Dont believe that Effer Ferguson. It’s more like a bad flu year.

2. Theres no need to shut down schools.

3. Sweden’s strategy makes sense.

We are being proved right as time passes.

115680 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to OKUK, 12, #1162 of 1211 🔗

Bang on. It’s nice to see that ALL the evidence is going our way( as we knew it would) but we can’t let the bastards get away with spinning their way out of it. We need to hold every single one of the lying bastards to account. Ferguson is number one in my book, but there are countless others! The good news is, they have committed their lies in plain sight and we all know who they are. Yes, we are looking at you, Morgan, Hancock, Rigby et al. They will get desperate as the tide turns and try and ramp up the narrative, but as they do, they will look ever more ridiculous. Most of their fellow riders will quietly jump ship and deny ever being part of the idiocy. See Germany 1945 and Soviet Union 1990 for examples. Enjoy the victory, but never forget the perpetrators.

115682 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Chris Hume, 2, #1163 of 1211 🔗

And for those who think they can run and hide, remember Eichmann.

115683 ▶▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1164 of 1211 🔗


115716 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1165 of 1211 🔗

Some can. Remember Mengele.

115717 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1166 of 1211 🔗

I don’t think we have Mossad on our side though…

115726 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Will, 3, #1167 of 1211 🔗

Can you hire Mossad for a fee?
Let’s put them on Covid Criminal Track and Trace.
And Punish.

115737 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 2, #1168 of 1211 🔗

They certainly did that with Munich Olympics terrorists, Track’n’Traced every last one if them.

115711 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Chris Hume, 4, #1169 of 1211 🔗

Funnily enough, the Johnson is in quite a strong position to shaft a load of people and escape, relatively, unscathed. The mantra about “following the science” has been consistent and gives him rather a handy get out clause. The left are determined to push the nonsensical narrative that an earlier lockdown would have made all the difference; the Johnson can refute that by saying it is now clear that any form of lockdown was a mistake and “the science” was wrong. The only issue is that the Johnson has got to chuck Cummings under a bus and I am not sure he is brave enough to do that.

115681 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to OKUK, 9, #1170 of 1211 🔗

Could have added
4. Herd immunity was the way to go all along.

115688 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to OKUK, 4, #1171 of 1211 🔗

I reckon the evidence points to it being about twice as bad as flu in terms of deaths. Injuries is more difficult to pin down as we are so blasé about flu. My mother never really recovered from being hospitalised during the 2018 flu outbreak.

115712 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Lucan Grey, 6, #1172 of 1211 🔗

Sorry to hear about your mother. This is why I hate how the MSM is weaponising ‘long Covid’ to ramp up the fear, conveniently staying silent about the fact that flu can have after-effects which are just as devastating and can linger for months or even years. Not to mention that it wrongly exploits those who were unlucky enough to suffer badly from Covid.

115715 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lucan Grey, 4, #1173 of 1211 🔗

Was it the flu, or the hospital?

115739 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #1174 of 1211 🔗

My mum never recovered from the hospital disease they gave her when going for a hip replacement. They have form for cross contamination the NHS.

115741 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to karenovirus, 3, #1175 of 1211 🔗

Exactly – but nobody seems to remember the ‘killer bug ate my arm’ headlines. Hospitals have form, as you say.

115765 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #1176 of 1211 🔗

Some flus were far more deadly than Covid.
All of them had and have a far worse mortality age distribution than Covid- Covid basically matches the normal mortality profile.
Even if you were right, the responses to Covid have resulted
in far more damages, incl. deaths, than any flu bar the Spanish one.

115742 ▶▶ Fed up, replying to OKUK, 3, #1177 of 1211 🔗

There is some joy in being able to say ‘told you so’, but I’d rather not have that pleasure and this shitstorm hadn’t happened in first place. By shitstorm I encompass every coronavirus related legislation/guidance/Covid porn/witch hunts after the retreat from herd immunity after 18th March.

115708 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #1178 of 1211 🔗

Continuing all these Covid measures is a disaster.

In August deaths with COVID 19 were under 1.5% of all deaths in the UK according to the Government’s own statistics.

115713 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #1179 of 1211 🔗

What were the major causes of death %s ?

115724 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #1181 of 1211 🔗

Thanks Stephen, interesting read. Deaths WITH Covid less than 1.5% yet still the nonsense continues.

115720 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #1182 of 1211 🔗

As the first major alternative news outlet to express scepticism about the disproportionate reaction to the Coronavirus , (starting 04 Mar 2020), we must now say:
“Enough is enough”
It’s time to resume normality and do away with the mass hysteria and rolling doom from the BBC, Sky News and ITN.
Case numbers are almost irrelevant given that testing has increased dramatically, together with the fact that most people are asymptomatic or only mildly inconvenienced even if they have the virus. The ‘R’ number is at best a guess by the ‘experts’.
It is hospitalisations and deaths which should determine policy, and these are now so small as to be insignificant from a policy-making perspective.

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The supposed ‘science’ which has led to the extreme Coronavirus measures has bordered on the ridiculous. There have been continuous revisions, corrections, and about-turns, from the now-discredited ‘half-a-million deaths’ mathematical modelling of Professor Ferguson and friends which started the lockdown, to the efficacy of wearing face masks (for which there is no compelling evidence), to the grossly exaggerated morbidity rate for the virus. Few of these were reported properly, objectively, and critically in the mainstream media. Almost every facet of the measurable aspects of this virus has been changed as the weeks have gone by.
Our charts above clearly show that there has been a severe overreaction to this new virus strain. This overreaction is somehow persisting in ever-changing Government policies. Yesterday the Government announced that schoolchildren will have to wear face masks in communal areas of a school, but not in the classroom. What kind of insanity is this?
The examples of crass stupidity and illogicality in dealing with Coronavirus are so prevalent it is not worth listing them all. All anyone – including Boris Johnson – has to do is look at our charts, which use the official figures from the ONS. Who in their right mind would insist on the continued destruction of our economy and our civil liberties, based on such fundamental evidence to the contrary?
The country now has to try to recover from this fiasco – something that will take decades. Even more importantly it is essential that GPs go back to their surgeries and that our empty hospitals now fill up with the massive backlog of patients who need urgent assessment and treatment for other life-threatening illnesses such as cancer, heart disease, and many other serious conditions.
The latest report for the Government showed that the reaction to the Coronavirus will cause more deaths than the virus itself. It gives us no pleasure to say that we warned about this months ago.

Deaths ‘with COVID’ are now falling close to 1% of deaths from all causes

Why are we still devastating our economy, our society, and our values, and risking the lives of far greater numbers of people with other serious conditions?

Some readers will be unhappy with this article but we felt compelled to publish it. Facts are facts.

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115721 karenovirus, 4, #1183 of 1211 🔗

I can communicate with my firms office in person, discouraged because the Covid, by phone or by a messaging system.
I got asked to undertake a task but txtd

“Sorry that needs me to wear a mask medically exempt”.
Office ‘no worries’

“I did tell office a while back”
O ‘I’m just back from furlough, i know nooothing!’

“Who are you ?”
O ‘it’s ‘mandy’, hope you are well’

“Fine thanks ‘mandy’, welcome back. I worked all the way through and think Covid is a wet blanket”
O ‘me too, I wish everything would just get back to normal !’

115722 Will, replying to Will, 12, #1184 of 1211 🔗

The Heneghan article on the BBC is fantastic news!!!

115730 ▶▶ Albie, replying to Will, 9, #1185 of 1211 🔗

That is the first time I’ve seen his name on that site. Like waking up in a parallel universe. Refreshing to say the least. Onwards and upwards!

115731 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Albie, 7, #1186 of 1211 🔗

When we see Sunetra Gupta and Michael Levitt’s names on the BBC news page we will know the game is nearly up…

115761 ▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Will, 1, #1187 of 1211 🔗

On the losing side, the heroes after the war have always been the dissenters and resistance fighters.
Plus ca change…

115746 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Will, 2, #1188 of 1211 🔗

It seems to be the highest read article on BBC website as well! I think I’ve woken up in a parallel universe.

115723 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 11, #1189 of 1211 🔗



17 hours ago

Personally I am astounded at the intelligence of the virus.

If I visit Costa to buy a coffee and drink it sat at a table I’m perfectly safe without a mask.

But look out if I’m buying a take away coffee the virus is waiting to get me and I have to wear a mask.

How does the virus know the difference between the two scenarios?

115735 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #1190 of 1211 🔗

When a local Subway reopened as takeaway only they had to remove the outside furniture in case the Covid got me there but I was safe because sitting on the surrounding was was alright.

115738 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #1191 of 1211 🔗

Trust me it knows

115727 Will, replying to Will, 3, #1192 of 1211 🔗

Please will someone confirm, is the PCR test the one forensic scientists use to detect minute fragments of DNA at crime scenes? If it is, repudiating it’s efficacy in layman’s terms is an absolute doddle.

115734 ▶▶ Baloo, replying to Will, 1, #1193 of 1211 🔗

No, PCR is used to amplify a small section of DNA. The larger the size the more inaccurate this can become. I’m not sure of the size of SARS-cov2, but only a small, unique, section of this will be amplified for verification (max 1kb for PCR and maybe 200-300bp for QPCR)

At crime scenes, one wants to know a specific individual was there and thus whole genetic analysis of a DNA source is required. This technique is called DNA fingerprinting.

115736 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Will, 2, #1194 of 1211 🔗

‘Following collection of biological material from a crime scene or paternity investigation, the DNA is first extracted from its biological source material and then measured to evaluate the quantity of DNA recovered. After isolating the DNA from its cells, specific regions are copied with a technique known as the polymerase chain reaction, or PCR. PCR produces millions of copies for each DNA segment of interest and thus permits very minute amounts of DNA to be examined.’


‘In criminal investigations, the amount of DNA available for analysis is limited to whatever can be isolated from a few strands of hair, skin cells, blood or other bodily fluids left behind at the scene. It can be tedious to isolate sufficient amounts of intact DNA from such material, thus impeding the application of modern DNA technologies to identify perpetrators and ultimately solve crimes. PCR represents a fast, cost-effective, and relatively easy solution to this problem, in that it can rapidly amplify specific sequences from the isolated DNA, increasing the amount of material and paving the way for further analysis.

PCR is therefore a prerequisite to many modern DNA technologies and is an essential component of genetic fingerprinting.’


115754 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Will, 1, #1195 of 1211 🔗

Slightly off topic but Kary Mullis, who had the idea of using PCR amplification for DNA was a surfer, LSD user and winner of a Nobel prize. A man who thought outside the box, although his views on HIV do not stand up

115728 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 20, #1196 of 1211 🔗

One of the major frustrations regarding this debacle is how little control the British electorate has over its own fate.

This matter will be addressed obliquely at the end of this month in the courts:

‘The hearing will decide on whether the case should progress to a full Appeal which would see the Government once again pressed to defend the introduction of measures which were described by the court as “possibly the most restrictive regime on the public life of persons and businesses ever.”

Lord Justice Hickinbottom said that the legal challenge “potentially raises fundamental issues concerning the proper spheres for democratically-accountable Ministers of the Government and judges.”


But whatever is decided in English courts will not affect the more fundamental problem of unaccountable undemocratic international organisations, often extensively funded by the British taxpayer, taking decisions that materially affect individual liberty in this country.

The World Health Organisation should be shut down for its incompetence.

‘A death due to COVID-19 may not be attributed to another disease (e.g. cancer) and should be counted independently of preexisting conditions that are suspected of triggering a severe course of COVID-19.’

‘COVID-19 should be recorded on the medical certificate of cause of death for ALL decedents where the disease caused, or is assumed to have caused, or contributed to death.’


So now (since 20 April 2020), across the entire world, a patient over 80 years of age, desperately ill from two or three different conditions, catches a cold (well known for years to be lethal to the elderly and infirm but never before listed as the sole cause of death) and is marked down as a covid 19 mortality.

Batty, wholly irresponsible, quite literally lethal worldwide given the fear induced across the globe as a direct consequence and paid for in large part by the British taxpayer.

And, on top of contributions to WHO, we have also been paying through DFID for most of the world’s wholly incompetent epidemic modelling:

‘The group (Imperial College) is now working with the UK’s Department for International Development (DFID) to produce a public, easy-to-use dashboard for short-term disease projections and scenario analysis tool for longer-term planning in LMICs. These projections can be used by the countries themselves as well as global partners such as the World Health Organisation (WHO) to link to their resource planning tools.’

‘Funding This work was supported by Centre funding from the UK Medical Research Council under a concordat with the UK Department for International Development, the NIHR Health Protection Research Unit in Modelling Methodology and Community Jameel.’

Imperial College London

So, no matter what the courts decide in England, the damage, globally, will continue and international pressure will, to a greater or lesser extent, force this country to conform.

And we have ended up where victims of big state totalitarianism always end up:

Paying through the nose for our own humiliation.

115733 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #1197 of 1211 🔗

My local major hospital went further than Who’s instruction.
Staff were told that any patient that came Into Contact with a Covid case and who subsequently died, for whatever reason, were to be recorded as a Covid death.

115740 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Tim Bidie, 8, #1198 of 1211 🔗

True, but we could have resisted. If public opinion had been strongly supportive of the herd immunity approach, it’s possible we’d have taken that line. I think the govt are very driven but what they think people think of them, for better or worse.

115744 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Julian, 7, #1199 of 1211 🔗

The point is that ‘resistance is futile’ unless the international organisations responsible for the global shambles are made very strictly accountable to their paymasters, or dissolved.

We could have resisted in Britain but this has been a process arguably started by the First World War…..then WW2….then the Attlee government…..and on to Blair’s Britain, which we now inhabit…and yes, you are correct, the silly country voted for all of this nightmare…but over decades, centuries even, of big state brainwashing……

And, to return to my original point, even if we had resisted, international pressure would have forced the British government to cave……Suez and so on…….

That is why we had to leave the eu….It’s a start on a long row back to liberty…and, importantly, shows a lead to the rest of the international community……

115747 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #1200 of 1211 🔗

Don’t know about futile. There are pressures, but there always have been. I wanted to leave the EU but in this case it hasn’t made much difference one way or the other. It’s the quality of leadership that has counted, across the world.

115853 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Julian, 1, #1201 of 1211 🔗

Futile in the sense that it will have zero effect on the major perpetrators of this debacle… superpowers like the U.S. federal government, Chinese communist party, international organisations all in cahoots…supranational organisations like the eu (bidden by Merkel, Macron), who, imf, world bank, un, all very much complicit; invulnerable to national protest.

For example, the UK lockdown came about through pressure from Macron, backed by Merkel and the eu…….

But, again, you are spot on correct. A powerful national leader, as we know from relatively recent history, can make a big difference but they are a vanishingly rare breed….none in evidence anywhere on any horizon…….

115729 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 11, #1202 of 1211 🔗

Civil Service Unions are moaning about having to go back to work.

What part are they objecting to?

1. having to go back
1. having to work

115770 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #1203 of 1211 🔗

Mmm…. not ‘safe’ enough to go back to work while on full pay but safe enough to go out shopping and to take advantage of the taxpayer-funded eating out largesse!

115750 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1204 of 1211 🔗

They will fight tooth and nail, they will never ever admit to what they did

115755 ▶▶ hotrod, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1205 of 1211 🔗

But who did what?

This MASSIVE miscalculation was done by a range of people in many countries.

This isn’t just Ferguson getting it wrong.

Which makes it odd that so many got the calculation wrong…..

How could that be?

115759 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to hotrod, #1206 of 1211 🔗

Move along, move along, nothing to see here.

How could that be? Indeed.

115848 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to hotrod, #1207 of 1211 🔗

The World Health Organisation, and many other countries, relied on the Ferguson model.

“The Imperial College model, as we’ve been following this for weeks, was the best, most accurate model.” Andrew Cuomo Governor of New York State


115756 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Cecil B, 4, #1208 of 1211 🔗

There is one decision, one moment upon which we should focus: the political decision, made in advance of ‘the science,’ to go for lockdown. In the UK at least, everything follows from that, and it is plainly culpable.

115758 Basics, 2, #1209 of 1211 🔗


115760 mjr, 1, #1210 of 1211 🔗

SATURDAY PAGE just arrived keeping a safe 2 metres away from this page

115763 karenovirus, 7, #1211 of 1211 🔗

Chatting to a cafe worker during his break,
he’s as big a sceptic as me. I was telling him about the ambulance sirens that he would have heard while on furlough lockdown with this place closed.
“I wasn’t lockedown , I was working with me mate in (small town 20 miles away) and saw the same thing, some days they would drive around for an hour or so and then go…”

Ambulances do not stand by in small towns, that means they must have been sent there deliberately to ramp up the fear before moving on to the next town just like bloody Ice Cream Van.
Piss taking bastards.


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