2020-09-05

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115757 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 1, #1 of 850 🔗

1 pence or 2 pence ?

115762 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to 2 pence, 19, #2 of 850 🔗

I’m second and that is good enough for me!

Good news from here in Sweden – IKEA has re-opened its restaurants 🙂
They tend to be heavily used, so hopefully the lifting of the 50-person limit for gatherings will go ahead as previously mentioned on 1st October..

115894 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Carrie, 6, #3 of 850 🔗

Think of us as you sip your coffee!

116090 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to annie, 1, #4 of 850 🔗

I did not actually stop for coffee – was in a bit of a rush today! Usually have coffee there mid-week, as it is free then if you are an ‘IKEA family’ member (ie have the loyalty card) 🙂

116239 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to 2 pence, #5 of 850 🔗

Tuppence.

115764 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 15, #6 of 850 🔗

UN Forced to Admit Gates-funded Vaccine is Causing Polio Outbreak in Africa SEPTEMBER 4, 2020 BY NEWS WIRE
This really should be one of the biggest public health scandals of the decade, but instead it’s given little attention – mainly because of the high-profile nature of the people and organisations involved.

https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/09/04/un-forced-to-admit-gates-funded-vaccine-is-causing-polio-outbreak-in-africa/

https://www.who.int/csr/don/01-september-2020-polio-sudan/en/

115773 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to 2 pence, 10, #7 of 850 🔗

Is this ‘new’ news? I read about this happening with a Gates-funded vaccine in India a long time ago – I believe India kicked them ut, after which polio numbers dropped considerably (unsurprisingly..)

115781 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Carrie, 4, #8 of 850 🔗

I guess the WHO announcement is new Carrie.

115783 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basileus, 4, #9 of 850 🔗

Yes, that even they are admitting it is positive!!! Especially as it will likely have a negative effect on the promotion of any other of Gates’ vaccines. I’m guessing his polio one took longer to develop that any Covid ones!

115806 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Basileus, 1, #10 of 850 🔗

It was in their last polio update from their regular meetings about a month ago and discussed on here a few weeks back.

115809 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #11 of 850 🔗

This is from their June statement No. 25, since then there has been No. 26 and individual country briefs stating the same.:

Similarly, the significantly greater than expected number of circulating vaccine derived polio virus type-2 (cVDPV2) outbreaks are another major challenge.”

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/23-06-2020-statement-of-the-25th-polio-ihr-emergency-committee

116085 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #12 of 850 🔗

For Gates though, the answer to everything seems to be ‘more vaccines’…

116230 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Carrie, 1, #13 of 850 🔗

Vaccine him. With Hemlock.

116231 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Carrie, 2, #14 of 850 🔗

Bill Gates is the 21st Century’s top snake oil salesman.

115813 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Carrie, 24, #15 of 850 🔗

I noticed the other week when they were celebrating the eradication of polio worldwide, they referred to it as ‘wild polio ‘, obviously making a distinction between real polio and vaccinated derived polio. But then, unfortunately any negative comments on Gates are derided as conspiracy, which is even reaffirmed in today’s LS. As for derision of anti vaxxer, most have no problems with tried and tested vaccines, but rightly have reservations and concerns over rushed out ones, to the point the government are attempting to change the law to reduce the robustness of licensing. If concerns over vaccines are so ludicrous, then question why the government has a website dedicated to compensation claims, and if no risk why grant indemnity to the pharmaceutical companies, compare with the swine flu vaccine. Although not a vaccine, remember the aggressive marketing of thalidomide.

115816 ▶▶▶▶ Simon Dutton, replying to Nsklent, 3, #16 of 850 🔗

Well said.

115837 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Nsklent, 3, #17 of 850 🔗

Thalidomide was not tested properly, the U.K. licensee accepted the results from the German manufacturer without question. The authorities in the USA weren’t happy and so didn’t license it. It is now used to treat leprosy and some cancers.

116332 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to p02099003, #18 of 850 🔗

Probably only the safe enantiomer of it is in use. Thalidomide has molecules that exhibit stereoisomerism. In layman’s terms it has two versions of itself which are mirror images.

One of them is safe, but they didn’t realise that at the time.

By the time the damage had been done the reputation of the drug was such that it could never again be used for it’s original purpose.

116457 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to John P, #19 of 850 🔗

Thalidomide used for other purposes is now marked as being unsafe in pregnancy.

116083 ▶▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Nsklent, 1, #20 of 850 🔗

There are those who say that the polio virus is fairly harmless and that the disease called polio was actually caused by poisons and pesticides including arsenic and DDT. In the fifties people were actually advised to spray children’s bedrooms with DDT to get rid of pests! https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/environmental-toxins/pesticides-and-polio-a-critique-of-scientific-literature/ This might be so or it might not, but from what we’ve seen in the case of covid19 you can’t help thinking that there might be two sides to the polio debate too.

116084 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jane in France, #21 of 850 🔗

My mother had polio as a child at that time (still limps as a result). I shall ask her if DDT was ever used in her home..

116183 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Jane in France, #22 of 850 🔗

DDT was used to kill insects in the home into the 1960’s.

116259 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to p02099003, #23 of 850 🔗

My teenage bedroom was painted with emulsion that contained IFCA (Insect and fly controlling agent). Turned out to be DDT.

116240 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jane in France, #24 of 850 🔗

It is mostly hygiene, malnutrition, clean water and sanitation problems.

116325 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Jane in France, 1, #25 of 850 🔗

And there’s people like myself who say that’s bullshit.

Polio has been around for a lot longer than pesticides.

It’s the promotion of this sort of crap that is giving the anti-lockdown movement a bad name.

116468 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to John P, 1, #26 of 850 🔗

According to Wikipedia polio is depicted in art from thousands of years ago. First identified in the 18th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio

116336 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Nsklent, #27 of 850 🔗

Look, I don’t like Gates, but I don’t go along with your idiotic theories about him wanting to kill people with vaccines.

116228 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Carrie, #28 of 850 🔗

If at first you don’t succeed try try again.

116278 ▶▶▶ Jane, replying to Carrie, 5, #29 of 850 🔗

India conducted an extensive investigation and then kicked the Gates Foundation out of the country. As of six months ago it was quite easy to find a few stories on this online, including a presser by the head of the Ministry of Health.

This was pre-Modi. Then I think last year the Gates Foundation gave Modi a big public award of some kind, and guess what, the Gates foundation is once more sitting pretty in India.

Of course when the news stories get scrubbed it is easy for Snopes and their ilk to label this fake news and conspiracy theory.

116283 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Jane, #30 of 850 🔗

Look at CrowdTangle to understand the mechanism of how that censorship occurs. Amazing Polly youtube latest video gives a good explanation of their set up.

115789 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to 2 pence, 8, #31 of 850 🔗

The Guardian reported that the epidemic in east Africa was being driven by the vaccine. They avoided mentioning Mr Gates and gave the story a slightly different spin. Nevertheless, it is a hopeful sign. Those who like the establishment media may avoid 21wire or zerohedge, but take the Grauniad seriously (yes, there are still such people around!). https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/sep/02/vaccine-derived-polio-spreads-in-africa-after-defeat-of-wild-virus

116160 ▶▶▶ Ian Lambton, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #32 of 850 🔗

Mentioning Gates might jeopardise the flow of cash to The Guardian from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

116241 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Londo Mollari, #33 of 850 🔗

Why didn’t they mention BG?

116941 ▶▶▶ H K, replying to Londo Mollari, #34 of 850 🔗

Yep, the B&M foundation ‘donate’ to many organisations! The Guardian, BBC in action, NPR, fact-checkers (Poynter), etc etc.

115800 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to 2 pence, 4, #35 of 850 🔗

Hollywood beat Bill to it, The Constant Gardener, it’s all there.

115802 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to karenovirus, 1, #36 of 850 🔗

predictive programming?

I haven’t seen the film

115826 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to anon, 1, #37 of 850 🔗

Big pharma using Africans as Guinea Pigs and killing lots of them in the process.

115810 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to karenovirus, 5, #38 of 850 🔗

Hollywood? The great John le Carre was the author and it was published in 2001.

115827 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to bluemoon, 1, #39 of 850 🔗

Quite right, figure of speech.

115832 ▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to karenovirus, 1, #40 of 850 🔗

Sorry I was being picky wasn’t I!

115834 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to 2 pence, 5, #41 of 850 🔗

A short history of polio is possibly in order here.
Polio is a virus passed via the pro-faecal route.
In areas with poor sanitation it is endemic.
It was endemic in England until quite recently.
Children were effectively immune as they were exposed to the virus.
When sanitation improved, this immunity disappeared and there was an epidemic in the 1950’s. The oral vaccine became available in the late 1950’s early 1960’s when it was administered by sugar lump.
The epidemic in the 50’s appears to have affected the older children who were put into iron lungs.
From the pictures I have seen of the post vaccination paralysis it appears that it is older children affected.
Maybe, just maybe, giving the vaccination to older children was the issue, after all they had been living with polio for ten years or so without a problem.

115904 ▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to p02099003, 2, #42 of 850 🔗

There was an epidemic in the early 1930s in the US I believe. I knew someone affected who caught it as a child and was paralysed for life from waist down.

116158 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to DressageRider, #43 of 850 🔗

That would probably coincide with improvements in sanitation, which is only a hypothesis. Salk created the oral vaccine in the mid 1950’s. I know that I had the sugar lump when I was small, probably the booster at 4 or 5 years of age.

116242 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to p02099003, 1, #44 of 850 🔗

A little bit of sugar makes the medicine go down, in the most delightful way.

116284 ▶▶▶▶ Jane, replying to DressageRider, 1, #45 of 850 🔗

FDR had polio. He got it as an adult.
https://www.fdrlibrary.org/polio

In the fifties it was called infantile paralysis.
https://www.health.ny.gov/diseases/communicable/poliomyelitis/fact_sheet.htm

I had both the shot and the sugar cube when ca. 7, as well as vaccination for smallpox and I think diphtheria as toddler.

Nothing for measles, mumps, chicken pox. Instead, we all just caught the diseases and lived to tell the tale!

116436 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Jane, #46 of 850 🔗

The 1st Earl of Snowdown also contracted polio as a child:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Armstrong-Jones,_1st_Earl_of_Snowdon

As a result of his disability, he became an advocate for those with disabilities and research, design and funding into auxiliary aids.

116517 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jane, #47 of 850 🔗

I hope that you don’t get shingles later on. I did. Yuk!

115970 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to p02099003, 2, #48 of 850 🔗

My memory of polio as a child of the 60’s was of older people (30’s?) clanking around in metallic leg braces but knowing that t it wasn’t going to get me. Small town, north Midlands.

I thought polio was re-emerging in Pakistan in part because the CIA used a polio clinic as cover when capturing bin laden.

116039 ▶▶ Cristi.Neagu, replying to 2 pence, #49 of 850 🔗

But if you read the WHO statement, they recommend more vaccinations.

116086 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #50 of 850 🔗

For Gates though, the answer to everything seems to be ‘more vaccines’…

116161 ▶▶▶▶ Ian Lambton, replying to Carrie, #51 of 850 🔗

Or, as he pronounces the word, vackk-seeen. 

116261 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, #52 of 850 🔗

Hair of the dog …..

116521 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, #53 of 850 🔗

Prairie Oyster. M.F.K. Fisher The Art Of Eating.

116310 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Carrie, #54 of 850 🔗

Yes, it’s his thing.

116519 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Carrie, #55 of 850 🔗

Bill needs a vaccine to shut him up.

115766 Tom Blackburn, 2, #56 of 850 🔗

A little reminder that I’ve created an FPL private league for sceptics for those who are interested:

https://fantasy.premierleague.com/leagues/auto-join/ybj6s2

115767 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 10, #57 of 850 🔗

Is the tide turning?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/virus-shifts-to-young-as-lockdown-fears-ease-0nhvv2dhf (Behind paywall)

Main theme: Call for normality with most cases in under-40s

115774 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Sarigan, 14, #58 of 850 🔗

Which is such nonsense. The virus isn’t shifting to the young, the tests are. But I can get behind the main theme (haven’t read the article because paywall and am going by summary in the URL itself 🙂

115801 ▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to guy153, 2, #59 of 850 🔗

You can read it on the BBC website in the Papers section, just zoom in, its a bit blurred but readable.

116180 ▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to guy153, 3, #60 of 850 🔗

Obviously most of this is “old news” to us (and, as you say, not an accurate representation of the facts – there have always been lots of cases amongst the young, it’s just that testing is showing them).

But what may be encouraging about that article is the tone and wording – an “extraordinary” shift that has raised hopes that deaths can be kept low without lockdowns. – for example. It’s presenting these things as dramatic, unexpected revelations (the word “extraordinary” appears twice) which implies to me at least a possibility that there might be plans to change the official narrative based on these new “discoveries”. (though most of it has been evident for the last few months, for anyone who actually bothered to look)

Obviously this raises the possibility/likelihood that “they” will get away with all their mistakes, lies and outright tyranny, at least in the short term – but to be honest I’m so worn down by this situation that I’ll take any hope of a way out, much as I’d like to see most of the Cabinet and SAGE in court and out of a job!

116520 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to guy153, 1, #61 of 850 🔗

I subscribe. The article is a little confused and clearly struggles with CFR and IFR for example, but the tone is positive, certainly.

115778 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sarigan, 2, #62 of 850 🔗

Offlands, any ‘news’ or info from he-on-Patreon-who-must-not-be-named-onhere?

115831 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sarigan, 1, #63 of 850 🔗

The Times staying on message, Johnsons call to get back to work.

115869 ▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to karenovirus, 12, #64 of 850 🔗

As per Jeremy Warner, do away with masks and all the “safety measures “ and I’ll go back to work.

115892 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fiat, 16, #65 of 850 🔗

And I’ll go shopping.

115909 ▶▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to annie, 3, #66 of 850 🔗

me too – I promise!!

116524 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #67 of 850 🔗

Shop til you drop.

116071 ▶▶ MDH, replying to Sarigan, 10, #68 of 850 🔗

I’d go back to the office if it was back to normal. But at present there’s just no incentive. I freelance in a large office block in a greater London suburb. What upsets me most is that there is a canteen on site, some of the staff of which have worked there for more than 20 years. They must now all be out of a job. It’s heartbreaking. While antisocial distancing measures remain in offices, the entire sector cannot function.

Same with the arts. It’s all very well galleries, museums and theatres trying to tempt me back. But where is the pleasure in visiting any of these places in a muzzle?

116441 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to MDH, #69 of 850 🔗

Same with the arts. It’s all very well galleries, museums and theatres trying to tempt me back. But where is the pleasure in visiting any of these places in a muzzle?

And don’t forget the hassle of pre-booking each and every museum or art gallery you want to visit. Why would you want to go through that rigmarole?

It’s OK if its an exhibition especially blockbuster ones like the V&A’s Dior exhibition last year. But not to see the permanent collection.

116344 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Sarigan, #70 of 850 🔗

The “virus” shifts to the young? Even if it does (and even if it is real), so what? It’s got nothing to do with the fact that they created the Covid-19 death toll by withdrawing death pathway treatment from tens of thousands.

Covid-19: utterly false perception of great danger created by letting some old and ill people die

115768 mjr, replying to mjr, 49, #71 of 850 🔗

Repost from yesterdays page …. From the BBC

Coronavirus: Tests ‘could be picking up dead virus’

Yes .. it is true ,, BBC actually doubting the veracity of the tests. Earlier we were all joking about how long it would be until the page was taken down and the author led into the street and thoroughly whipped.

115841 ▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to mjr, 31, #72 of 850 🔗

This article has made me so happy. It’s happening, finally we are accelerating towards the meeja telling the truth.
The criminal politicians will likely start rolling back measures very soon in an attempt to synchronise with the meeja. If they continue pushing the oppression while stories like this come out, they risk an enormous backlash.
Carl Heneghan needs to be knighted after this finishes

115845 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to TheBluePill, 10, #73 of 850 🔗

Yes he does. And no, he won’t be 🙁

115870 ▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #74 of 850 🔗

So hope you’re right

115971 ▶▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to TheBluePill, 22, #75 of 850 🔗

On the front line every week or two I will receive an alert from local public health about a care worker at one or other local care home having a positive PCR test. Most local care homes had Covid in April courtesy of the NHS discharging patients from the local DGH. After this e mail alert there is silence. Nothing.

The PCR test is picking up the dying embers from April . These people are not symptomatic as they are having frequent testing of all care home workers. If the PCR test had never been invented we would have said the epidemic seems to have passed months ago and life would be normal by now not ” new normal” .

How long this collective insanity will last for is unclear , but surely it must end soon ?

116528 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Peter Thompson, -1, #76 of 850 🔗

Sending out weekly alerts is another example of wasting taxpayer’s monies.

116082 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to TheBluePill, 6, #77 of 850 🔗

I hope you are right. I feel that Matt Hancock talking about testing *everyone* regularly will have woken a lot of people up to where this is all headed and the ‘bigger agenda’ of control…

116312 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Carrie, 1, #78 of 850 🔗

Or maybe he’s just a clown who doesn’t know what he’s doing.

You give him far too much credit!

116322 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to John P, 4, #79 of 850 🔗

You’re right he doesn’t know what he is doing but the words he speaks are given to him by people who do. Funny how there isn’t a single MP standing up to be counted. You’ve got to wonder what they have on most of them.

115846 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to mjr, 7, #80 of 850 🔗

BBC doubting the official narrative?

Was it a spoof page they misdirected you to?

Or their new boss having an affect on the editors and directors and producers as they know which way the wind is starting to blow.

116010 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Awkward Git, #81 of 850 🔗

there was also a page on the risk of lots of animal extinctions in coming years and they did not mention global warming . . Strange days indeed !!!

116275 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #82 of 850 🔗

I just looked and it seems they’ve completely buried it somewhere in the entrails of their website.

116277 ▶▶▶▶ Marie R, replying to Cheezilla, #83 of 850 🔗

No, it’s actually number 6 of “most read “!

116529 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Awkward Git, #84 of 850 🔗

How did this new boss sneak in there? We need more like him sneaking in Woke places.

115862 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to mjr, 14, #85 of 850 🔗

That story is front-page news on https://www.bbc.co.uk/ and top trending article on Apple News feed. Maybe there is hope that the tide will eventually turn.

Prof Heneghan seems to be having some success at getting through to the MSM.

115871 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to zacaway, 12, #86 of 850 🔗

Heneghan is a go to person on the BBC. It’s an insurance policy for the BBC when the tide turns

115981 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, #87 of 850 🔗

Is it still there yet ?

116270 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mjr, 1, #88 of 850 🔗

Wow, a glimmer of hope for the terrified sheeple who get all their info from the beeb.

115769 Rabbit, replying to Rabbit, 7, #89 of 850 🔗

Seems to be more articles and videos appearing like this:

https://youtu.be/Vurv270Uv0I

115786 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Rabbit, 21, #90 of 850 🔗

About time!

Re the Telegraph article on Sweden that Toby linked to, there are a lot of uniformed negative comments, but this was a good one:

‘5835 deaths is awful.
Then you read more, and you start to wonder is it that bad? Let’s look at last year, because the statistics for last year are easy to get for Sweden. https://www.statista.com/statistics/528942/sweden-number-of-deaths-by-cause-of-death/
Last year 88,766 deaths in Sweden so Covid would represent 6.5% of all deaths . Which again seems huge but again should we worry about such a huge number?
My answer to that is not really.
Last year they had 6154 death from respiratory illnesses. Which unless my maths is wrong is more than 5835 from Covid which would be a respiratory illness.
On top of that its numbers are 1/10 the combined heart attack and cancer numbers for Sweden.
So I question looking at those bare facts, is Covid’s death rate truly so awful in Sweden?’

115929 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Carrie, 12, #91 of 850 🔗

Sweden also had ‘dry tinder’ in the form of lower than normal overall mortality compared to its neighbours for quite a few years, see AEIR article on that.
That alone could explain the real difference in Covid death rates when making that comparison.
With regard to comparing its death rate to all other countries, in particular the completely mismanaged UK, it’s really a no contest: no excess suicide, cancer, cardio deaths or domestic abuses, no mental health crisis due to lockdown etc. responses, no government debt explosion, no robbing of younger peoples educations and futures etc..
Also no guilty part in killing millions of people in the third world through our lockdowns.
And all that’s before one is putting any price or value on civil rights and on freedom.

115980 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Jay Berger, #92 of 850 🔗

I quite liked the dry tinder analogy… but can you imagine how scathing some pro-lockdown people would be if they heard that ha.

116288 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jane, replying to Tee Ell, #93 of 850 🔗

It is an excellent analogy—or at least image/metaphor.
Of course the sanctimonious will immediately fasten on it, to accuse the reality-oriented of measureless cruelty, hardheartedness, and not caring about the elderly.

116080 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jay Berger, 9, #94 of 850 🔗

I know – I live in Sweden! Of the 5835 people who have died here, 1518 were over the age of NINETY, so well beyond average life expectancy. These people could have died at any time, virus or no virus..

115787 ▶▶ Cbird, replying to Rabbit, 11, #95 of 850 🔗

Cutting up his mask on air – inspirational!

115771 guy153, replying to guy153, 1, #96 of 850 🔗

So what’s happening with Australia? We know they had a second wave and are in the middle of a brutal lockdown. It was a difficult call whether the epidemic would make it through the bottleneck of the lockdown or not. My guess was not due to winter, lockdown fatigue, and a slightly higher starting point than the previous time.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia

According to “Daily New Cases” it looks like they are “succeeding” and the second wave peaked on 5 Aug. But it doesn’t look like deaths peaked a week ago like they should have.

Are they lying about the number of positive tests, or people aren’t getting tested, or perhaps deaths are about to peak and people are just taking a bit long to die?

115775 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to guy153, 12, #97 of 850 🔗

I would think they never really had a first wave… and surely with the lockdown it will take much longer now to reach a peak?

115784 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Carrie, 5, #98 of 850 🔗

As Australia is significantly closer to the equator I would expect there not to be a peak as we experienced but a flatter curve lasting longer according to Hop-Simpson in his book “The transmission of influenza”. https://www.dropbox.com/s/4yda40j4hf9nbad/11th%20The%20Transmission%20of%20Influenza%20BOOK.pdf?dl=0

116152 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to p02099003, 2, #99 of 850 🔗

I think there is another factor to build into the mix. Coronaviruses in the northern hemisphere typically peak Jan to March.

It is not unreasonable to assume in the Southern Hemisphere the peak would be July to September. So though there may have been a small peak in April, it wasn’t prime corona time. Now it is.

Plus it would be interesting to see WHO the cases and deaths were in in April vs now. If the cases were in younger people back in March/April and they managed to keep older populations isolated, you would expect to see fewer deaths.

That, because of whatever reason, may have shifted and older people may be more exposed now.

116179 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Sophie123, 2, #100 of 850 🔗

I think it’s going to be a bit of a double whammy if they get it in the winter. Plenty of places did have their epidemics in the summer (Romania, Florida) and they were much bigger than Australia’s small first outbreak. They certainly did suppress it (though at a great cost).

115788 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Carrie, 7, #101 of 850 🔗

Yes they never had the epidemic and managed to suppress it. And then when it inevitably broke out again, they tried again, but from a higher starting point.

Maybe “first wave”/”second wave” is not good terminology as it has become a bit politically loaded.

They have already failed in the sense that they have done far more harm with the lockdown than the virus ever would have done. Although I don’t wish a death from Covid-19 on anyone perhaps it is better that they fail comprehensively even by their own standards and the world learns a lesson from it.

115847 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to guy153, 7, #102 of 850 🔗

400+ deaths, $A300billion cost to their economy.

116113 ▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Carrie, 3, #103 of 850 🔗

Carrie, I would agree with you there. Every state and territory has its own lockdown restrictions with Victoria reimposing another 6 months state of emergency. To say it’s a nightmare just doesn’t cover it. I can’t bear to look at or hear that man. The number of daily deaths announced each day doesn’t make sense and certainly would indicate to anyone with half a brain that the mandatory wearing of masks is useless and doesn’t work.
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/stats-nsw.aspx
This shows the latest stats in NSW. No recent deaths to speak of. Only 5 positive cases in 30,000 odd tests. I really don’t think there will be a peak. Our premier Gladys, warned us the other day to keep worrying. The people who are getting tested have a sniffle and a sore throat but are not desperately ill. With summer coming I really think it will fizzle out. The sooner lockdowns are lifted Australia wide the better. Unfortunately each premier seems drunk with power and the prime minister has been completely ineffectual in making any of them see sense in opening their state borders. On top of that today in sydney, there were protests against the lockdown and because there were more than 20 people in a group some were fined and a small number arrested. However yesterday it was decided that independent schools could hold end of year formals which would number more than 20 individuals so the inconsistency and hypocrisy of the ever changing rules is maddening. No one seems concerned that generations will be paying for this. Our economy is completely stuffed.

116527 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Carrie, #104 of 850 🔗

Lockdown early, lockdown often

115812 ▶▶ Sally, replying to guy153, 5, #105 of 850 🔗

Those two big spikes in the last week were mostly deaths from earlier on. The Victorian government went back through nursing home records and “found” about 70 more deaths dating back to July and August. Deaths probably are tailing off.

Heaven knows what will happen when cases build again, as they probably will.

116054 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Sally, 1, #106 of 850 🔗

That explains it thanks. What will probably happen is things will go quiet for about three weeks to a month and then it will get going again. It’s going to be an ongoing nightmare. Would be so much better for them to just get it over with.

115839 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to guy153, 2, #107 of 850 🔗

They didn’t really have a 1st wave since it was summer there at the time.

116051 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to karenovirus, #108 of 850 🔗

They did suppress it. Summer on its own isn’t enough to stop it although it helps.

116319 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to guy153, #109 of 850 🔗

Did they?

116393 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to John P, #110 of 850 🔗

They got to about 8 deaths a day in April. That’s a considerable number of infections (about 8000, three weeks before). If unchecked that would have been more than enough to burn through the country in the space of a couple of months, even in summer.

116317 ▶▶ John P, replying to guy153, #111 of 850 🔗

It’s also worth remembering that the seasons are reversed in the Southern Hemisphere.

As for “second wave” they didn’t even have a first did they?

115772 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #112 of 850 🔗

Skynews Oxford crim.., sorry, academic was just asked why in the third world hasn’t there been an overwhelming death surge forward-slash sky rocket of doom, they have no health care after all?

The oxford academic was taken aback, then spun for all shes’s worth. Highly and determinedly not answering the question. Not even close. Sky questioner was quite happy to let the spin be spun. Seemingly they just need to get PPE and vaccine into country.

Ellen Less Than Impressive is the only name I caught. UK aid is being used to send PPE to Jordan and Nigeria.

HCQ. HCQ. HCQ. Eh, Ellen?

115780 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Basics, 7, #113 of 850 🔗

Or even having g a younger demographic. Or BCG vaccinations.

115782 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Thinkaboutit, 4, #114 of 850 🔗

Younger demographic would definitely make a difference..

115798 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Thinkaboutit, 1, #115 of 850 🔗

Yes. Of course in terms of death.

But cases? Every country would be bulging with these dreaded cases. They are not. Regardless of age cases ought to be hugely high, showing fewer deaths per capita that elderly populations.

Yes of course they are not testing because there, they have no health care system (Jordan?).

However, they do somehow ‘know’ there’s a massive issue in country. At least know enough that millions of pounds worth of PPE needs shipping. Millions of pounds worth for a population of 200 million (Nigeria) is not going to stretch very far.

115838 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Basics, 4, #116 of 850 🔗

Been thinking about this. The ACE2 binding theory for CV-19 might also play a part. Is medication for things like diabetes and hypertension used widely in such areas? Maybe the ground isn’t as fertile for the virus to multiply among these populations?

https://elemental.medium.com/a-supercomputer-analyzed-covid-19-and-an-interesting-new-theory-has-emerged-31cb8eba9d63

115978 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #117 of 850 🔗

Thanks for the link. I would guess there is little to no medication being widely used. HCQ has been well used in Nigeria. They only spoke about Nigeria and Jordan but implied further afield. Might HCQ add to the not fertile theory? We are still told ethinic minorities in UK are at more risk.

The response to put PPE into action appears to be purely optics. The question about why India, Pakistan and so on have not seen a wild fire needs answering. Thanks Bop keep thinking.

115979 ▶▶▶ Wesley, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #118 of 850 🔗

Over-the-counter HCQ is generally available in tropical countries.

116348 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #119 of 850 🔗

Interesting, thanks!
Note, though vitamin D sneaks in, there’s no mention of HCQ

116349 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Cheezilla, #120 of 850 🔗

Most people do not need any medicine for covid19.

115867 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 2, #121 of 850 🔗

So 300 billion UK made face nappies for Nigeria, the lucky lucky people.

115776 Basileus, 10, #122 of 850 🔗

There are a couple of interesting articles on Principia-Scientific.

The first is a template letter with a summary of the non pandemic nature of the Covid farce. It is very long for a letter, but is a very thorough summary. I have not read it in detail, but it seems to cover the ground very well.

Template Covid19 Complaint Letter For Politicians, Journalists, Etc Published on September 4, 2020
Written by Ivor Cummins BE(Chem) CEng MIEI PMP

https://principia-scientific.com/template-covid19-complaint-letter-for-politicians-journalists-etc/

The second concerns the HCQ trials and is pretty shocking.

Is This Murder? UK HCQ Trials Deliberately Overdosed Patients!
https://principia-scientific.com/is-this-murder-uk-hcq-trials-deliberately-overdosed-patients/

Includes an embedded video by Dr John Campbell. Very serious charges made.

115777 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 8, #123 of 850 🔗

I am not surprised that Sunetra Gupta is having problems finding a publisher for her research that runs against the “consensus”, this has been happening for years in climate research.
There is one university that has been operating entirely by distance learning for the past 50 years quite successfully, and that is the Open University, so the argument that students must have face to face tuition is not that strong.

115794 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to p02099003, 9, #124 of 850 🔗

Agree completely on the Gupta point – see my conversation yesterday with Basics regarding Mr TT’s experience in the field in the early 2000s, when the ‘science is settled’ narrative was established to silence ‘dissenters’ like him and others.

As to the Open University, while it is true that it has developed a very successful platform for online learning such that other universities following the strategy ought to consider whether or not they have a genuine right to exist, it is not the case that teaching is entirely at distance. Open University supports a system of tutors and facilitators in regional centres, and in many of the subjects, students attend campus for block weeks.

I am very much in favour of face-to-face tuition from both a user (Oxbridge) and practitioner perspective, for all level of study up to Masters levels.

115799 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #125 of 850 🔗

Your primer yesterday was very helpful reading todays news!

115807 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 5, #126 of 850 🔗

Thanks. She has already been on the receiving end of offhand comments made by Neil Ferguson and Mark Walport in early interviews and select committee hearings (March or April). This is part of the modus operandi – my husband was subjected to public humiliation at academic conferences.

115804 ▶▶ annie, replying to p02099003, 11, #127 of 850 🔗

OU students do have f2f tuition – or used to. When I was a tutor there were fortnightly tutorials in my subject, held at venues as convenient as possible for local students. One-to-one tuition could also be arranged, for an additional fee.
Sadly, when I retired a couple of years ago the OU was already pushing for all tuition to be online (in a horrible, clunky virtual classroom), and the chance of restoring real tutorials after the end of the present bollox is almost certainly nil.
Students who turned up for real tuition showed far greater improvement over the course than those who didn’t, in my experience.

115811 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to annie, 5, #128 of 850 🔗

I concur Annie. Small group activity is the better way, in my experience, to ensure everyone is keeping up (and turning up!).

115987 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, #129 of 850 🔗

Uni staff tell me that lectures will be online, tutorials and seminars Socially Distanced in lecture theatres, any thoughts Annie ?

116115 ▶▶▶ Edna, replying to annie, 2, #130 of 850 🔗

I got my OU degree in 2015 and the reason that I didn’t continue studying with them is because of the changes they were making to the courses; that is, all study material would be online, instead of the books and DVDs. Plus, of course, the huge increase in fees!
I definitely agree with your last point – those who always came to the tutorials seemed to do much better than those who didn’t. Possibly because talking together in a room is especially helpful for language courses.

116009 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to p02099003, #131 of 850 🔗

It so happens that I disagree with Professor Gupta’s premise that there are three different forms of the virus, but I would defend her right to publish them. They are clearly legitimate scientific statements capable of being verified or falsified by experiment or observation. I’m rather more concerned about Prof, Gomes since her work is about modelling. The heterogeneity premise is not only uncontroversial, it is quite obviously true by observation of the real world and the only question is how to model it. Indeed, the agent-based models used by Prof Ferguson et al are the epitome of heterogeneity. The observation that in population-level modelling, heterogeneity makes an huge difference to herd immunity levels was a little surprising but I verified it for myself on a toy SIR model.

116323 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to Richard Pinch, #132 of 850 🔗

Quoting Richard:

“It so happens that I disagree with Professor Gupta’s premise that there are three different forms of the virus, but I would defend her right to publish them.”

Richard, your opinion would have more clout if you explained why your opinion should be trusted above Professor Gupta’s.

116395 ▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to John P, #133 of 850 🔗

why your opinion should be trusted above Professor Gupta’s

I made and make no such claim. I simply made it clear that I support her right to publish her work independently of whether or not I happen to agree with it.

116536 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to John P, #134 of 850 🔗

According to Dolores Cahill and others, there are at least 30 known variants of the coronavirus and they have been around for at least 50 years.

116897 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to richard riewer, #135 of 850 🔗

I was referring, of course, to “the virus”, SARS-Cov-2. In an interview reported on the UnHerd site, Prof. Gupta postulates a broad level of immunity caused by an early mass exposure to an asymptomatic form of the disease resulting in immunity not detectable by current antibody tests. This leads to an estimate of IFR well below 1%: she proposes “definitely less than 1 in 1000 and probably closer to 1 in 10,000”. That’s not consistent with experience in New York City, where the death rate is 0.25% of population as a whole, giving a lower limit on IFR, even assuming 100% infection. She quite properly acknowledges that, and postulates a third form of the disease in very dense urban settings.

I think that one has to be cautious about postulating not one but two new forms of the disease: Occam’s Razor suggests otherwise. But these are clearly scientific postulates: scientific in the sense that they are testable by experiment or observation. They are reasonably parsimonious, and reasonably consistent with current observations. Whether or not they are correct is another matter.

116359 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to p02099003, #136 of 850 🔗

The main argument against the university policies is that the students will miss out on the important social aspects of uni life. Worse, if they are imprisoned in their rooms, as is already happening in the US, they will have less social contact than non-students. The psychological effects don’t bear thinking about!

The OU works mainly for mature students, many of whom have full-time jobs and families.

115779 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 17, #137 of 850 🔗

Two quick points. BBC – unlike foreign outlets – has yet to mention any demo in Melbourne (main story from Down Under is a row about the aboriginal flag). I remain unclear as to how many protesters turned out, but given that Victoria is being run by the CCP, any turning out is a miracle.

My second point relates to the Scottish school attendance data from earlier in the week. Toby’s take was that the 84% attendance rate was due to the bedwetters. My view is different. The BBC published a bar chart showing that attendance was at a high when Scottish schools re-opened on August 17th and have declined every single day subsequently.. This suggests to me that maybe kids are complaining to mums and dads about the new abnormal.

115907 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #138 of 850 🔗

I made that point on one of the previous days this subject came up. Having seen some of the disgusting stories about how some children were being treated it should be no surprise that parents decided to keep them home.

116192 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #139 of 850 🔗

There’s been a rampant head cold bug in the Glasgow area. My school age kids have both been off.

116329 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Mark H, 7, #140 of 850 🔗

there’s one in Fife also. My son and half his class mates have the cold. It’s a mystery how he caught it since they all have to wear masks and wash their hands in the cancer causing gel. It’s almost like masks don’t work.

116539 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Londo Mollari, #141 of 850 🔗

Keep complaining kids. Stand up for your rights.

115785 Basics, 5, #142 of 850 🔗

A video here showing the same violent police action as above, with a preamble of very reasoned comment. In addition the video includes a second interaction by British Transport Police against a British Transport worker.

https://youtu.be/srOJ9a2kJp8

115790 Strange Days, 11, #143 of 850 🔗

“…causing one lad to rip off the mask and surprisingly deposit it in a nearby bin instead of tossing it in the gutter alongside other discarded masks. ”

A well mannered and intelligent lad, more such stories please!

115791 Basics, replying to Basics, 22, #144 of 850 🔗

A small demonstration in Melbourne has been broken up by storm-trooping Police.

https://twitter.com/YellowCube7/status/1302090234679623681?s=20

Brave people standing on the side of humanity. Police in masks without markings, unidentifiable. Even the 8(?) Police horses look rightfully ashamed.

Brand Australia is dying. Will anyone want to visit such a viscious country in the future?

115793 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Basics, 25, #145 of 850 🔗

Brave people showing that the key is to find strength in numbers. It is easy for a group of police to gang up on a pregnant lady or a man on his own. They are a little more reserved when facing a crowd.

I salute those protesting Aussies

116545 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stewart, #146 of 850 🔗

Keep on pushing, straight ahead!

116541 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basics, #147 of 850 🔗

SS in Australia. Lovely.

115792 stewart, replying to stewart, 25, #148 of 850 🔗

Testing in airports just supports the idea that tests are useful, which they aren’t and that this coronavirus is an exceptional threat, which it isn’t.

Boris Johnson is right on this one. The last thing we want are more draconian measures that will later be near impossible to roll back.

115876 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to stewart, 10, #149 of 850 🔗

Tests for illegal drugs in your system will be rolled into COVID tests at travel hubs. That’s a certainty. How do you fancy that?

Remember that spliff you had on the beach last night before you caught the plane? It seems like so long ago it’s hard to remember your old life back home as you sit out your 12 year sentence in some hell-hole local jail….

Yer lets have testing for covid at airports…great idea.

115965 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Two-Six, 3, #150 of 850 🔗

I don’t think possessing illegal drugs in your bloodstream is itself illegal(I am no expert could be wrong here) so as long as your not planning to fly the plane I am not sure what they would gain under the current laws.

Of course they could change the laws and certainly if we accept arbitrary testing at huge cost to the taxpayer then the list of tests we are expected to submit to is only going to grow.

115989 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Two-Six, 3, #151 of 850 🔗

Don’t do illegal drugs, they spoil the booze.

116075 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Two-Six, 2, #152 of 850 🔗

Exactly, this will give endless opportunities for ‘mission creep’…

115947 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to stewart, 2, #153 of 850 🔗

It would make more sense to test for flu.

And it doesn’t make any sense to test for flu.

Calling for testing at airports now somewhat undermines the wider point this site is making, in my view. The government are right, at this point it would create a false sense of security, be very costly, and achieve nothing.

116037 ▶▶ Paul Mendelsohn, replying to stewart, #154 of 850 🔗

Boris Johnson is right on something? Oh well, even a broken clock will give the correct time twice a day…

115795 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 4, #155 of 850 🔗

Thoughts on Covid-19: The Great Reset, by Klaus Schwab and Thierry Malleret A few weeks after the World Economic Forum launched their ‘ Great Reset ‘ initiative, it was followed up with the release of a new book titled, ‘ Covid-19: The Great Reset ‘, authored by the executive chairman of the WEF, Klaus Schwab, and Senior Director of the Global Risk Network at the institution, Thierry Malleret.

https://stevenguinness2.wordpress.com/2020/09/03/thoughts-on-covid-19-the-great-reset-by-klaus-schwab-and-thierry-malleret/

115852 ▶▶ John Stone, replying to 2 pence, 3, #156 of 850 🔗

Of course, WEF were sponsors of Event201, the great simulation.

115891 ▶▶ John Stone, replying to 2 pence, 5, #157 of 850 🔗

So there is a global coup by these unelected “thinkers” meanwhile trade is destroyed, mass unemployment and homeless are created, citizens are set against one another in unprecedented ways. I am sure they are pleased with themselves!

115990 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to John Stone, 2, #158 of 850 🔗

Those unfortunate people will be the ones most likely to look to the government for salvation, all part of the plan probably

115900 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to 2 pence, 5, #159 of 850 🔗

Mark Windows covered that book and Mr Schwab in one of his shows recently:

https://www.spreaker.com/user/markwindows/rats-that-rule-the-world

Well worth a listen.

People who think it’s all a cock-up by nappy-head BOJO and Twatt Handicock won’t like this one bit.

116044 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to 2 pence, 1, #160 of 850 🔗

And I’m sure this was all thought up after the initial outbreak in Wuhan, which led to some hearty prophecising by these warm and caring folks who know what’s best for all of us.

116403 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Eddie, #161 of 850 🔗

I think it was already planned and they were just waiting for a suitable opportunity.

116428 ▶▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Cheezilla, #162 of 850 🔗

It was probably always planned for 2020 – the date 2020 always loomed large in WHO/industry plans.

116565 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Eddie, #163 of 850 🔗

Ask them to show us some proof.

116335 ▶▶ Biker, replying to 2 pence, 1, #164 of 850 🔗

who are these people and why the hell should we listen to them?

116537 ▶▶▶ Norma McNormalface, replying to Biker, #165 of 850 🔗

I believe the term these days is “thought leaders”. Says it all really.

115796 karenovirus, 5, #166 of 850 🔗

Postcard from Dumfries.
“No social distancing for these kids – bless ’em”
Yesterday ConstantBees compared the total abandonment of Social Distancing during registration at the local 6th form college* with the Conformity she witnessed at Bournemouth University.

The older teenagers registering at The College will have been in friends groups that have known each other for years. They will have been knocking around with each other during lockdown, furtive at first but then more openly with not much to do except complain what a downer lockdown is.
Besides their friends they will know everybody else in their school yeargroup and plenty from other city schools so lots of mutual support.

Over half of The College intake come from surrounding (crap) towns and the idea of arriving in the Big City acting like Pussies would be unthinkable.

1st year students arriving at Uni will overwhelmingly be singletons whose schooling ended abruptly, their friendship groups are scattered far and wide. Being totally alone in their new environment Conformity might well seem the best strategy.

* I did not see any staff attempting to marshall the College students into any form of SD, probably realising they would be on a loser if they did !

115797 wendy, 2, #167 of 850 🔗

https://cvpandemicinvestigation.com/2020/09/covid-19-evidence-of-fraud-medical-malpractice-acts-of-domestic-terrorism-and-breaches-of-human-rights/#_Toc49700008

This is a link to a report someone has produced. Perhaps people might want to add their signatures. Perhaps see what you think. I am not sure I agreed with all of it but it is another challenge and perhaps the more challenges the better.

115803 tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 12, #168 of 850 🔗

In the video of the fella on the train it looked near the end like a member of the public AKA mask vigilante getting involved and also manhandling him, I hope any court case also involves charges against him then maybe mask vigilantes will start to mind their business or risk being charged

115820 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to tonyspurs, 11, #169 of 850 🔗

I hope there is crowdfunding for any legal help this man needs. I will certainly donate to it. As an exempt person myself, the last thing I want is for some thug to threaten me and then drag me off transport. I’m only using buses now, but I was thinking about using the train for a short break. Had mixed feelings anyway, but this was the last straw. I’ll not pay money for the privilege of being assaulted.

115859 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #170 of 850 🔗

Yes I want to chip in too. Solidarity.

115886 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #171 of 850 🔗

And me.

115958 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to ConstantBees, 3, #172 of 850 🔗

Todays summary already states that Toby/Will have approached the victim. Additionally on yesterdays comments it was noted that Simon Dolan has already been in contact (the BTP twitter outlined the details (sorry .. their details) of the incident and included the victims details. He has been charged with assault (probably bruised the policeman’s knuckles with his chin). Note he wasnt charged with resisting arrest as there was no arrestable offence until the police decided it was assault.

Constable Savage lives (for coloured read Sceptic)

ps.. Just seen a posting below which links to this you tube expose of this incident and another similar one… so posting again as relevant here , This could be an interesting channel to monitor

116074 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to mjr, 1, #173 of 850 🔗

Charged with assault, but nothing regarding the non-mask-wearing? If they had accepted his exemption then no assault would have taken place…

115985 ▶▶▶ Wesley, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #174 of 850 🔗

Simon Dolan has offered legal support.

116004 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #175 of 850 🔗

Toby mentions reaching out to him via Free Speach Union, that could be an avenue to help financially.

115828 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to tonyspurs, 10, #176 of 850 🔗

Unfortunately this was always going to happen. The masks are a social engineering tool to validate you comply. The shaming and outright attacks was something they knew would be a consequence of it.

Question. Have any countries introduced and then reveresed the mandatory masks? Just curious as this seems like the sort of thing that once its brought in it sticks around

115883 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #177 of 850 🔗

Fighting in the shopping aisles never caught on so perhaps they are deliberately sending in the goons. The chap being assaulted was remarkably restrained, doing little more than refusing to be pulled out of his seat. I expect they were hoping for a right old punch up.

115829 ▶▶ Basics, replying to tonyspurs, 4, #178 of 850 🔗

Man with small rusksack? Plain clothed police I suspect.

115866 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to tonyspurs, 3, #179 of 850 🔗

In Ireland, we don’t have a transport police but there are regular calls for one to be established. I have always been against such a force and cite the BTP as an example of why not to have one. This video validates my concerns.

115935 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #180 of 850 🔗

Me and my mate got arrested and cautioned by BTP for attempting to board a moving train. That was back in the old days.

116568 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ewan Duffy, #182 of 850 🔗

We do in Montreal. Nasty bunch too.

116569 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ewan Duffy, #183 of 850 🔗

Or should I say Nazi bunch?

116206 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #184 of 850 🔗

The member of the public also attempted a choke hold on the guy.

116408 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark H, #185 of 850 🔗

Wow. Talk about divide and conquer.

116566 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to tonyspurs, #186 of 850 🔗

That man was vicious. Getting his jollies. Psychotic bully!

115805 Sceptic-on-Sea, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 23, #187 of 850 🔗

Our correspondent in Dumfries should consider himself lucky to have found a bench to sit down on and watch the world go by.
Yesterday I picked my mum and dad up from the local shopping centre. Dad was very despondent, they’ve removed all the benches. Now there is nowhere to have a quick sit down when out and about in our town.

Previously they were taped off at various points to ensure social distancing. I’m guessing that didn’t work out as planned.

Why are the powers that be so determined to make life for the elderly so darn miserable?

In other news my daughter has been chatting to me about her first week back at school.

One of her classmates turned 6 yesterday. They weren’t allowed to sing Happy Birthday.

They had to whisper it instead.

Sigh.

115814 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 2, #188 of 850 🔗

I know the feeling!

115823 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 5, #189 of 850 🔗

Taped off benches? What are we doing to ourselves. God help us

115908 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #190 of 850 🔗

Thought that came to an end months ago, they even gave us ‘permission’ to use benches for picnics.

115885 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 5, #191 of 850 🔗

Beyond pathetic. Her class teacher must feel do proud.

115977 ▶▶▶ Sceptic-on-Sea, replying to karenovirus, 3, #192 of 850 🔗

Thing is they have been quite sane up until now. We have escaped staggered drop offs and complicated one way systems. Although I do have to dock them points for suggesting that parents may wish to wear masks at pick up nudge, nudge (roundly ignored by all).

I guess “Happy Birthday” was just a bridge too far.

115902 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 4, #193 of 850 🔗

Idiots with too much power in charge at that school.

116345 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Two-Six, 3, #194 of 850 🔗

In all my years as a parent and visiting schools i have met one Primary school teacher and one high school teacher i had confidence in, the rest of them were utter morons. They all lie and pretend they care about your child but they don’t give a shit, they care about their pay, holidays and pension, your child doesn’t factor for a second. Did i mention how up their own arses. they all are

116121 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 2, #195 of 850 🔗

Nearly all benches have been removed from our own centre and have all been removed from our two small shopping centres. As someone with RA, it is very hard not being able to rest. As for the elderly…well I’ve noticed fewer and fewer are out and about…Our town is dead. The vigorous proponents of the face nap are out in force but everyone else is staying away or only doing vital shopping and leaving. Cafes and pubs are clinging on, mostly empty, but as I refuse to give my personal details, in most I’m refused entry. Sod them, their loss. Fed up with it all, I’m just not joining in or complying.

116343 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 1, #196 of 850 🔗

Probably for the best since how can you have a happy birthday with this insanity all around

115808 Northern Chubs, replying to Northern Chubs, 4, #197 of 850 🔗

We are considering a 6-7 days holiday in Portugal next week. We understand the chances of it not happening, but I’m writing this because I’d like to know what the experience is like in the airport, on the plane and being in Portugal (if anyone has recently been).

I have not been muzzled once in the UK and I’d prefer to keep up my record. Is this possible in a UK airport? What can I do to prevent being muzzled? Same as in a Portuguese airport – my Portuguese is awful and whilst I don’t use an exemption card in the UK, I’d be prepared to create one for Portugal. Would this work?

What’s the situation like on a plane?

Finally, I have read about “mandatory” masks whilst walking around shops and restaurants in Portugal, but can this also be avoided? Or will I end up in prison?

Thanks in advance 🙂

115835 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Northern Chubs, 7, #198 of 850 🔗

Clients just got back from Portugal and said compliance was very high and quiet a lot of police presence. They are desperate to keep off quarantine list so are showing force. Other clients just returned from quiet Greek island and said felt largely normal, locals just happy to see them. Both sets wore masks for travel I am afraid though so cannot comment on that. I would opt for smaller Greek Island personally. Happy to help with the booking if you would like. Have my own travel business and can book the likes of Jet2, EasyJet hols etc. but also some excellent specialist operators you may not have heard of.

115851 ▶▶▶ Northern Chubs, replying to Sarigan, 4, #199 of 850 🔗

Very useful information, thank you. I’ll take a look at the islands and see if they’re an option for us and might get back in touch.

115897 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Northern Chubs, 5, #200 of 850 🔗

A lovely company we work with has great prices at the moment:

https://www.ionianislandholidays.com/

Small, family owned business. I have worked with them for over a decade and highly recommend them. I can knock a little off their prices for any LS

116068 ▶▶▶ Sue, replying to Sarigan, 1, #201 of 850 🔗

i’m flying to greece tomorrow with BA for a bit or R&R – dreading the airport and plane experience with masks etc but will wear one to avoid the hassle and stares etc especially on my own – will try to wear a scarf thing instead which is more bearable! I’m going to have to just ‘suck it up’ as they say, take a deep breathe and imagine being on the beach in a few hours!

116512 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sue, #202 of 850 🔗

Good luck!

115836 ▶▶ Graham, replying to Northern Chubs, 9, #203 of 850 🔗

I wore an exemption lanyard through Heathrow twice in July and had no problems at all. I was the only person in the entire terminal without a mask, as far as I could see. Similarly, on the outward BA flight to Iceland, and my return flight on Icelandair, I was treated politely and my lack of a mask was mentioned only once, by an Icelandair stewardess, who just took a look at my lanyard, smiled and moved on.

115854 ▶▶▶ Northern Chubs, replying to Graham, 2, #204 of 850 🔗

That’s positive info, thanks. I presume you made the exemption card yourself? Which design/template did you use?

115930 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Northern Chubs, #205 of 850 🔗

See links in Toby’s main text for cards lanyards

116024 ▶▶▶▶ Graham, replying to Northern Chubs, 3, #206 of 850 🔗

No, I bought the Disability Horizons one on Amazon. It has a sturdy plastic holder and a bright red lanyard with ‘MASK EXEMPT’ in large white letters.

115890 ▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to Northern Chubs, 14, #207 of 850 🔗

i don’t wear a mask & wear the lanyard (Sainsbury’s green & sunflowers) & hidden disabilities badge wherever I go. Train back from Inverness via Edinburgh & Newcastle last Thursday. No one said a word. Returned from France early July with Jet2. Did wear one in French airport & for part of journey (but when asleep it doesn’t seem so bad). Ripped it off as soon as got down airplane steps. Again not challenged. Just say that magic I am exempt. That stops everyone in their tracks. It is complete and utter MADNESS.

116049 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to Northern Chubs, 2, #208 of 850 🔗

Yes Chubs keep that spotless record of no muzzling going! You are brave to take on the task of flying to another country. I’ve resigned myself to never flying again while mask mania continues unabated.

116095 ▶▶▶ Northern Chubs, replying to Eddie, 1, #209 of 850 🔗

Ha! Yeah, I’m trying. Only been questioned on it twice. Once on a bus, but after a minute of discussion the driver capitulated and let me on. The other time was about an hour ago when I went to a green grocers. Some young dude asked me if I had a mask. I said I was exempt and he apologised and stood aside.

There were four staff members in the shop and none were wearing masks. Two were behind their protective, plastic blast shields. All staff members donned their safety blankets once I had entered. I can only assume that they erroneously believe that masks protect themselves from me… the asymptomatic leper. Sad.

I’m a bit annoyed I didn’t inform them of the the government’s guidelines which say they only “protect” other people from the muzzle wearers. But had just been for a run and was on my way home. Next time.

115815 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 15, #210 of 850 🔗

I too was at the Lewes KBF meeting talked about in the main body of this edition of lockdownsceptics. Personally I didn’t find the same degree of anarchy. It’s a very new group, multiplying ‘virally’ as the chairman joked, and they are feeling their way towards organisation. There was no existing database of emails, phone numbers, etc that an established group might have. This was started. Likewise the agenda was very loose and more intended to just get people talking and that succeeded with a lot of views that were from every end of the spectrum. I’m not a total conspiracist, but am damn certain that just being rich doesn’t make Gates a good man, and the whole virus scam will only work if several detrimental things happen to our liberties. On the whole, and especially with the frightening contribution of a (now suspended) teacher, the meeting pushed a few of the right buttons. Playing nicely ain’t going to be enough, folks.

115830 ▶▶ FatBastardMcKenzie, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #211 of 850 🔗

Please could you elaborate on the views put forward by said (suspended) teacher?

115934 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to FatBastardMcKenzie, #212 of 850 🔗

And what was he suspended for, if relevant.

116574 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #214 of 850 🔗

Gates didn’t get rich by being a good man. Most billionaires don’t.

115817 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #215 of 850 🔗

No pandemics listed:

http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php

Lots of earthquakes and a typhoon though.

115824 ▶▶ FatBastardMcKenzie, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #216 of 850 🔗

Did not realise such a website existed! Thank you.

115818 wat tyler, replying to wat tyler, 4, #217 of 850 🔗

Surprised the round up didn’t mention Mark Dolan cutting up the mask on talk radio or Denise Welch on good morning Britain .Much rather if we kept to just lockdown topics and didn’t veer off into nonsense about Adele’s bantu hairstyle ,like in the Wokeness cult of purity article by Patrick West . Anyway hope the guy on the train gets all the help he needs.

116975 ▶▶ H K, replying to wat tyler, #218 of 850 🔗

Yep, these 2 moments on the mainstream media (if you consider Talk Radio mainstream?) were great!
There is more and more dissent at the lockdown by regular folk, but we still have far to go

115833 John Stone, replying to John Stone, 8, #219 of 850 🔗

Is it not odd that the commissioning editor at the Spectator (Mary Wakefield) which recently commissioned the important article by Heneghan and Jefferson is married to Dominic Cummings? Why is it their important message is not being heard in the corridors of power? It surely can’t be through ignorance of it. Why do we go on and on and on down this pointless road?

115896 ▶▶ anon, replying to John Stone, -2, #220 of 850 🔗

why does the commissioning editor at the spectator use a different surname to her husband dominic cummings?

115938 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to anon, 6, #221 of 850 🔗

Because that’s her name. This seems highly obvious.

116356 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Tee Ell, #222 of 850 🔗

always good when the children’s parents have two different names isn’t it, just makes the mother look like a whore

116354 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to anon, #223 of 850 🔗

because some of us men are firing blanks. If you marry a woman and she don’t take your name then there is no point whatsoever in marrying her. There is no point anyway, these days, unless you can find a real woman, most of them are vacuous creatures slapped in face paint and credit cards. They let themselves down, their families, their children and society. Women need to remember that men let them behave like this and we could change our mind in a second and they’d be nothing the little dolls could do to stop it. I think a lot of them believe in this strong fierce woman bullshit pumped out by the media whores.

115840 Awkward Git, 8, #224 of 850 🔗

So Sunetra Gupta ha sonly just realised that anti the favoured narrative scientists and studies and research do not get published, funded etc?

What too her so long to realise this?

All she has to do is ask anyone who has questioned the official narrative on global warming or whatever it is called this week, CO2 reduction being good, saturated fat in diets, vaccines, the best way to lose weight, effects of tablets etc on children’s developing brains and so on.

They will soon give her an honest answer on what happens to them and their research,

115842 smurfs, replying to smurfs, 10, #225 of 850 🔗

Irish parents… it doesn’t matter where you stand on the question of vaccinations but you need to watch this video from Tracey O’Mahony if you have any concerns about your child being vaccinated against your will whilst at school.

The HSE National Consent Policy (document available via Tracey’s post) outlines that “mature” minors – a minor is a child under 16 years – may consent to medical interventions without parent or guardian consent where the child is considered by the health care provider to have sufficient understanding and intelligence to enable that child to understand what is being proposed. This extends to all minors under 16 years, including those diagnosed with intellectual disabilities.

You can see where this is headed, can’t you?

School environments, where children are away from their parents, will be a natural place to undertake vaccine administration en mass, all without parent supervision.

This must not be allowed to happen so please everyone, if you know any Irish families with small children then forward the link to Tracey’s video. Tracey offers a solution to this, nevertheless Ireland needs awakening to this imminent threat.

Time is not on our side as the first of what will be many vaccines, the flu shot, will be administered from mid-October onwards so please do what you can to raise awareness.

Thanks

115946 ▶▶ mjr, replying to smurfs, 1, #226 of 850 🔗

In UK it is normal for girls to have the HPV vaccine done at school. I remember having my BCG done at school when i was a lad . So the opportunity is there

116006 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to mjr, 4, #227 of 850 🔗

HPV Deaths Hidden by Bad Science

Medical Researchers Caught Manipulating Data
Medical researchers have accused drug regulators and manufacturers of concealing the real dangers of the HPV vaccine. Many girls have suffered life-threatening injuries as the result of the vaccine. The HPV vaccine has also caused death. However, the claims have been dismissed by the vaccine manufacturer. The drug regulators have also been accused of adding aluminum to the placebo in order to manipulate scientific data.

https://www.vaccineinjuryhelpcenter.com/hpv-vaccine-deaths/

116072 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to smurfs, 4, #228 of 850 🔗

The HSE National Consent Policy outlines that “mature” minors – a minor is a child under 16 years – may consent to medical interventions without parent or guardian consent where the child is considered by the health care provider to have sufficient understanding and intelligence to enable that child to understand what is being proposed. This extends to all minors under 16 years, including those diagnosed with intellectual disabilities.’

This is the ‘Gillick competent’ judgment, isn’t it? However I fail to see how those ‘diagnosed with intellectual disabilities’ can be deemed Gillick competent..

In school kids will come under influence of school staff *and* peer pressure to agree to any vaccines… so this is NOT ok…

116361 ▶▶ Biker, replying to smurfs, 2, #229 of 850 🔗

My sons last year in primary school a couple of years ago was the only child in his class not to get the flu vaccination. I think they blew something up the kids nose. They are very sick sinister people involved in “health care”

116576 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Biker, #230 of 850 🔗

Graduates from The Joseph Mengele School for Public Health, now taken over by Jewish Michael Bloomberg.

115843 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 41, #231 of 850 🔗

Re. the guy on the train, the human rights expert says

In the first instance, the police should have questioned the individual further about his medical condition and reasons for not wearing a mask.”

Really? Ask a person for a summary of their medical history on a train in front of other people? My interpretation of this mask business is that, unfortunately for the authoritarians among us, a person cannot be compelled to wear a mask if they have any medical reason not to, and a person cannot be asked about their confidential medical history even by an ’emanation of the state’, and nor can they be compelled to wear a yellow star badge indicating they’re a ‘medical case’. To me, this seems obvious from the fact that these provisions have, reluctantly, been allowed by the government. Unfortunately for them, a person can refuse to wear a mask, and does not have to give any reason for doing so.

I think the human rights person above has got it wrong.

115863 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #232 of 850 🔗

Yes, they have. I think ‘considers’ in para 2 below is a bit dodgy, but para 7 makes up for it. And, as we know, there is no requirement to explain or prove your exemption. It should have ended when the passenger said “I am exempt”.

(2) Where a relevant person considers that a person is not wearing a face covering, in contravention of the requirement in regulation 3, the relevant person may—

(a)direct that person to wear such a covering;

(b)direct that person to disembark from the relevant vehicle.

(7) A person may only exercise a power in paragraph (2) or (3) if they consider it necessary and proportionate to ensure compliance with the requirement in regulation 3.

115966 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #233 of 850 🔗

I agree.
My understanding sofar was that in the UK, this question would only ever be permissible and only ever needed to be answered in court.

I Germany, you need to have a medical certificate.
It costs 10€, it requires a physical appointment but is then relatively easy to ge, though most people entiled refrain from trying to obtain it anyway, as they prefer to suffer and join the virtue signallers, and/or are afraid of being intimidated by the zealous mob.
Some non-essential businesses, like Ikea, MediaMarkt, McDonalds or Lufthansa can and have decided to set their own, stricter rules (test, perspex screen instead), but really essential ones like supermarkets or gas stations aren’t and won’t ever be allowed to do that, for obvious and good reasons (Daseinsfuersorgeverpflichtung).
And even there and then, the police or shopkeeper must accept just your statement that you are in general possession of that medical certificate granting you the exemption, if you say so- most have refrained from asking for that, as even that seems illegal.
You don’t need to carry it with you, they don’t have a right to see it, let alone to ask you for your condition, or qustion the judgement of the doctor.
The courts would again have the right to see the certificate, but not to ask you for or question your condition/the doctor’s judgement, unless your certificate was a fake, of course.
I guess in the completely dysfunctional 2020 UK/NHS, it was decided for good reasons to go for the self-exempt rather than medical certificate route with regard to masks, as you can’t and shouldn’t see a GP physically, unless you have an axe in your head.

We shall follow the development of that case in Liverpool closely!

116334 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #234 of 850 🔗

What the hell is a human rights expert?

116422 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stewart, 1, #235 of 850 🔗

Obviously someone who doesn’t know the law about mask examption.

116577 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stewart, -1, #236 of 850 🔗

Sir Keir Starmet is one. Could have fooled me.

116417 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #237 of 850 🔗

I thought so too!

116426 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #238 of 850 🔗

I would love to see this tested in court. It’s one of the oddest pieces of law I’ve ever seen. I don’t go anywhere that requires a mask, but if I did I would be tempted to claim the “severe distress” exemption if pressed by a court. My problem with this is that I am pretty sure that it’s not what the people who drafted it intended, but maybe I should not think about what they intended. Who can say? Just the thought of it causes me severe distress, but almost everything about this nonsense causes me that.

116579 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Julian, #239 of 850 🔗

And severe distress leads to stress and other debilitating effects.

115844 Basics, replying to Basics, 45, #240 of 850 🔗

“A court in Lyon ruled on Friday that making face masks mandatory in all public spaces in Lyon and neighbouring Villeurbanne constituted a “serious and illegal infringement” of citizens’ liberties.”

https://www.euronews.com/2020/09/04/covid-19-rights-groups-challenge-mandatory-face-mask-rules-in-france

115850 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 8, #241 of 850 🔗

Tres Bien!

115860 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Two-Six, 8, #242 of 850 🔗

Vive la France!

115865 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to bluemoon, 1, #243 of 850 🔗

Allez Le Bleu!

115868 ▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Basics, 3, #244 of 850 🔗

Zut alors mon ami!

115906 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Philip F, replying to bluemoon, 8, #245 of 850 🔗

Chateau Neuf Du Pape!

116003 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Philip F, 1, #246 of 850 🔗

Brilliant

116581 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Philip F, -1, #247 of 850 🔗

First class.

115882 ▶▶ annie, replying to Basics, 2, #248 of 850 🔗

Vive Lyon!

115922 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Basics, 6, #249 of 850 🔗

Mange tout, mange tout!

115939 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Basics, 4, #250 of 850 🔗

And it will likely ensure rising case counts, as a mask will turn a sofar little infected and non-infectious wearer into a more heavily infected and infectious time-bomb over time.
Particularly so, if the mask is worn for hours at the workplace, as stupidly mandated in France now.

116013 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #251 of 850 🔗

Tsunami if bronchial pulmonary problems coming our way.

116580 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basics, -1, #252 of 850 🔗

Vive les Lyonnais!

115849 stefarm, 1, #253 of 850 🔗

a fascist is someone who claims to speak for a whole nation or group, is utterly unconcerned with the rights of others, and is willing to use [any] means necessary to achieve [his or her] goals.

https://www.aier.org/article/will-you-choose-freedom/

115856 steve, replying to steve, 7, #254 of 850 🔗

Why did a test kit for this “new” coronavirus, that supposedly was only discovered late last year, appear on the world Bank trade tariffs website list in 2018.

https://wits.worldbank.org/trade/comtrade/en/country/ALL/year/2018/tradeflow/Exports/partner/WLD/nomen/h5/product/902780

Which means it could have been made and approved in 2017 🧐

It is filed under a 2017 code

“ HS Nomenclature used HS 2017
HS Code 902780: COVID-19 Diagnostic Test instruments and apparatus”

115861 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to steve, 2, #255 of 850 🔗

WTF!? Is this for real?

116034 ▶▶▶ steve, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #256 of 850 🔗

Yes it appears so…..I’m happy to accept any evidence to believe otherwise if anyone can come up with an excuse not to believe it!

115888 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to steve, 2, #258 of 850 🔗

It looks like fairly generic test kits were bought by some countries in anticipation of a problem with a coronavirus appearing in 2019 (the 19 only denotes the year). The table shows that none were exported to the UK. The test kits allow samples to be gathered ready for testing – no specific knowledge of the anticipated virus would be needed. I know it looks suspicious, but likely a manufacturer seeing an opportunity to cash in on nervous governments. Singapore, China and Hong Kong look like being by far the biggest customers, which would make sense given previous experiences in that part of the world.

115920 ▶▶▶ John Stone, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #259 of 850 🔗

I agree these are possibly generic kits re-named but the name COVID-19 was surely not formulated until February or March this year.

116029 ▶▶▶▶ steve, replying to John Stone, 1, #260 of 850 🔗

That’s the point. You either you believe this “deadly virus” is “new” or beleive what’s written on the world bank website for import tariffs from a few years ago.

Depending who you believe the “19” is either the 19th version of the strain or the year it was supposed to have been “discovered”

Anyone have a fantastic idea why the world bank was listing import tariffs codes in 2017, for a test kit for a virus, that according to our government and media is a brand new deadly virus that only was discovered in Jan 2020?

116026 ▶▶▶ steve, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #261 of 850 🔗

The test kits are specifically called

“ COVID-19 Diagnostic Test instruments and apparatus“

NOT a “fairy generic test kit”

These are world importing tariff codes From 2017 and figures for the 2018 year.

116032 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to steve, 2, #262 of 850 🔗

I think that 902780 is a code for “ Instruments and apparatus for physical or chemical analysis “, so that while every Covid test kit falls under 902780, not everything that falls under 902780 is a Covid test kit.

116217 ▶▶ nowhereman, replying to steve, #263 of 850 🔗

I expect the name is coincidental. The page states “Colorimetric end tidal CO2 detector” and there is a brand “Covidien Nellcor™ Adult/Pediatric Colorimetric CO2 Detector …” so I’m guessing it relates to one of their products.

115857 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #264 of 850 🔗

Most boring programme ever? The 2020 re-make of Dr. Finlay’s Casebook.

26,000 episodes, but no symptoms in any of them.

116129 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #265 of 850 🔗

If Janet were answering Matt Hancock’s phone “Arden Hoose” this nonsense would be over pretty soon.

115858 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 32, #266 of 850 🔗

The story of the miscarriages, is completely heartbreaking. The restrictions on partners needs to end immediately. I can understand tightening restrictions on special care units, which they should be anyway, but to deny a woman support in one her darkest moments is fucking disgusting.
Unfortunately, we lost our first born at a week over term. He was still born. Having to go through that situation is bad enough as it is, but I could not bare the thought of any partner being denied access to the hospital at this time. Effectively forcing someone to go through this alone is absolutely evil.

115864 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to PoshPanic, 16, #267 of 850 🔗

Agree, I’m not a parent but can fully sympathise and don’t know how I would take it.

asked a nurse for directions, and when she explained she was miscarrying, the nurse had tears in her eyes. “If only I could put my arm around you,” she told her

FFS you are a nurse show some fucking empathy and do your job.

115873 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to stefarm, 2, #268 of 850 🔗

I’m sure there are some that would break the dumb rules, if they could get away with it.

115878 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #269 of 850 🔗

I would hope so….

115963 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to PoshPanic, #270 of 850 🔗

I know one.

116043 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PoshPanic, 8, #271 of 850 🔗

There are and they do.
When that fool Lansley(sp) was ic health he ordered staff to stop telling white lies to patients as it was disempowering or somesuch.

He meant things like dementia sufferer Elsie asking when hubbie Fred would be visiting.
“He was here yesterday Elsie and he’ll be back again tomorrow”.
Elsie returns to her room contented.
Fred has been dead for 4 years .

Lansley would rather subject Elsie to Groundhog Day style perpetual bereavement every time she asks about Fred. The staff I know all ignored him, tosser.

116430 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #272 of 850 🔗

Lansley, *unt, Wankock. Spot the similarities?

115879 ▶▶ annie, replying to PoshPanic, 13, #273 of 850 🔗

The NHS has become absolutely evil. The National Hell Service.

115928 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, 4, #274 of 850 🔗

In conjunction with the World Hell Organisation

116588 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, -1, #275 of 850 🔗

World Hackjob Organization

116486 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 1, #276 of 850 🔗

Well put. Or as someone on Twitter re-named it, the No Help Service.

115924 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #277 of 850 🔗

Evil

115872 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 15, #278 of 850 🔗

In the current government consultation document: Changes to human medicine regulation to support the roll out of covid19 vaccines, the opening sentence states ‘ Covid19 is the biggest threat this country has faced in peacetime history …’ The absolute blatancy of the lack of truth of this statement is astounding. I mean, this is an official goverment document, not a msm headline, and they are making such ludicrous statements…they obviously now believe their own twaddle. One plus point though, I guess as this is the biggest threat to the country, this negates the claims a few months ago that the planet and mankind is doomed for destruction in ten years time.

115875 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Nsklent, 19, #279 of 850 🔗

They just missed a word:

Covid19 response is the biggest threat this country has faced in peacetime history …

115893 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to zacaway, 2, #280 of 850 🔗

Excellent

115881 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Nsklent, 6, #281 of 850 🔗

It’s not just the government but ‘scientists’, too. At the top of Neil Ferguson’s notorious paper it says:

The global impact of COVID-19 has been profound, and the public health threat it represents is the most serious seen in a respiratory virus since the 1918 H1N1 influenza pandemic.

There are no references for this statement. It is just taken as a given. Thus his ‘findings’ are set in stone before he has even started doing ‘the science’.

115999 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #282 of 850 🔗

That’s a money quote. Remember when Climate Change was the greatest threat?

116069 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mhcp, 1, #283 of 850 🔗

Back in my day it was the New Ice Age
.
The equivalent to wearing a facemask in the event of a more likely nuclear strike was to crouch under the kitchen table.

The medium used to keep us safe was Government Information Films seen prior to Saturday morning children’s matinee at the cinema.

How we chortled at the silly grown ups since we knew we would get blown to bits, kitchen table or not.

115884 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Nsklent, 7, #284 of 850 🔗

I really think Ferguson is disappointed that 500k people haven’t died.

115915 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to stefarm, 10, #285 of 850 🔗

… to add to the hundreds of thousands who refused to die in accordance with his earlier predictions.

115921 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to annie, 6, #286 of 850 🔗

That’s it! The secret of eternal life! You just get Fergusson to say you will die – and you won’t! Get him to renew the prediction, say, every twenty years and you are laughing…

115936 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to annie, 2, #287 of 850 🔗

I wonder what his lottery numbers are???

116070 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 3, #288 of 850 🔗

And all the livestock and distressed farmers that did die because of his mad cow madness.

116998 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to stefarm, #289 of 850 🔗

He never claimed that 500k would die.

116015 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Nsklent, 10, #290 of 850 🔗

I would say the government is now the greatest threat this country has faced in peace time history.

116035 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to stewart, 1, #291 of 850 🔗

Spot on! They are the enemy now.

116433 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bella Donna, #292 of 850 🔗

Agents of the Enemy.

115874 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 9, #293 of 850 🔗

Time is running out…

If, by winter, we haven’t achieved herd immunity (although we are probably as good as there) because of our our experimental and destructive interventions, the vulnerable will have been failed by us yet again. Natural herd immunity reduces the spread of viruses thereby protecting the vulnerable.

115887 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Major Panic, 5, #294 of 850 🔗

The problem is that the government’s policy doesn’t appear to be to achieve herd immunity (if it was, it doesn’t make sense to try to limit the spread among healthy / low risk people – with masks, distancing etc).

As such, they seem to have no interest in even acknowledging if we achieve herd immunity – they’ll just keep testing and counting false positive PCR tests to maintain the status quo.

115903 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to zacaway, 4, #295 of 850 🔗

I’m not sure I made my point very well, its the interventions that might have slowed the route to herd immunity obviously.
Also 70% ish of covid related deaths were in hospitals and care homes that are full of frail vulnerable people, and the average age of those claimed deaths is well over the average ‘life expectancy’ age.
Prof. Gupta’s thinking makes makes more sense than anything coming out of the love a lockdown SAGE communists ‘scientists’
Are healthy people dying from covid19 – NO
So what ever we had/think we had earlier this year has gone away either on summer holiday or through some sort of herd immunity protection.
And covid may well come back in the winter months to compete with flu and all the other nastys out there to send the very ill and frail on their way.
(No idea what Helman’s is on about below – maybe this place has been discovered by the hocus pokus scientists from imperial…)

115918 ▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Major Panic, 5, #296 of 850 🔗

I see, yes, that makes sense. Quite possible covid19 will have a bit of a resurgence in the winter, along with the usual flu & cold season, if there is not enough herd immunity. In that respect, the interventions have probably made this problem worse, as without them it could have spread through the healthy / low risk population to build up herd immunity before winter.

I though way back in the beginning the government was talking about this as a risk – that they should lift restrictions earlier to avoid a resurgence in the winter. They seem to have U-turned on that too.

116593 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to zacaway, #297 of 850 🔗

It might leave the country before winter arrives. Who knows? The Shadow Knows.

116081 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Major Panic, 3, #298 of 850 🔗

It is in my personal interest that as many young people as possible infect each other by whatever means they choose in order not to pose a threat to me as I become increasingly vulnerable by virtue of age.

Go kids, get those Covid parties back,
Save A Grandad

116031 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to zacaway, 7, #299 of 850 🔗

I’m thinking they are desperate to slowdown herd immunity in order to force vaccines onto us but I reckon we are probably about there. Its likely this virus was around long before they realised. The farce of masks and social distancing is just to maintain their control over us.

116033 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #300 of 850 🔗

Agree completely Bella. All routes lead to the vaccine. Follow the money!

116062 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #301 of 850 🔗

Agree totally with this!

116077 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #302 of 850 🔗

More likely trying to prevent herd immunity in order to pretend that there is an ongoing crisis thus delaying the day when they have to answer for their crimes.
Kindly remember that elections are still suspended under the wrongful application of Public Health legislation.

116097 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to karenovirus, #303 of 850 🔗

Yes, we missed out on local elections and they will be wanting to put those off as long as possible now!

116594 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bella Donna, #304 of 850 🔗

If they are desperate to slow down herd immunity then they are manipulative %?#$?#$#$ and deserve to go to jail.

115926 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Major Panic, 2, #305 of 850 🔗

I guess we can be thankful that the interventions make almost no difference then.

115943 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Tee Ell, 5, #306 of 850 🔗

well they successfully damaged education, the economy, livelihoods, etc and killed a bunch of people by withdrawing hospital and health care…

And they may have slowed the spread of herd immunity during the summer months – hence my original point (I thought)

115955 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Major Panic, 2, #307 of 850 🔗

I agree with your original point and I’ve been making the same argument to people. I was simply saying I’m thankful that the measures have not been effective enough to prevent collective immunity – to me it feels the slowing effect you describe has been very minor.

115962 ▶▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #308 of 850 🔗

sorry, I’m having an irritable morning, been fighting off something, a summer cold probably, anyways seems to be on its way out now…

115967 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Major Panic, 2, #309 of 850 🔗

Ha I didn’t take it the wrong way, appreciate it’s hard to know whether someone’s following on these oft-contentious topics. Hope you get well soon!

115984 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Major Panic, 8, #310 of 850 🔗

I can symphasize with that. I went to the London demo last weekend and came down with a corker of a cold on Monday. Very bunged up/sneezy for a couple of days but no temperature, no dry cough and only lost smell when completely bunged up so seemingly unrelated to the Sars-Cov2 virus.

I’ve got occasional light congestion still, and a very mild pleghmy cough but it’s definitely on the way out and it’s good to know my immune system is still working having had so little to practise on over the last six months!

115988 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to DomW, 3, #311 of 850 🔗

I read your first line and thought you were telling a deadpan, ironic joke! 🙂

Ditto @MajorPanic

116089 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #312 of 850 🔗

Somebody told me a Covid joke here the other day, but I didn’t get it.

116001 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to DomW, 3, #313 of 850 🔗

It’s probably just a virus Dom.

116435 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DomW, #314 of 850 🔗

Public transport?

116000 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Major Panic, 5, #315 of 850 🔗

It’s okay, rumour has it that there’s a bug doing the rounds atm …

116087 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Major Panic, 1, #316 of 850 🔗

Not to mention lockdown induced suicide.
There are at least 3
‘man found dead at xyz, police say circumstances are not suspicious’

headlines in my Local Live online today. They never use the S word presumably so they don’t come up in a goggle search.

115998 ▶▶ John P, replying to Major Panic, 11, #317 of 850 🔗

Not entirely.

People are not immortal. You can’t really “save” lives – only prolong them. And quality of life is better than quantity of life.

I am frequently dismayed by the number of commenters here ane elsewhere who seem unable to grasp that people do die.

No matter who you are, your days on this earth are numbered. Someday, something will get you.

116073 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Major Panic, #318 of 850 🔗

Wot xacaway just said

115880 Mayo, replying to Mayo, -34, #319 of 850 🔗

As a natural sceptic who would be delighted to see Covid-19 relegated to the status of the common cold or mild flu, I’m afraid the daily regurgitation of “mights” and “maybes” on this blog does nothing to convince me that will be the case.

1/ Sunetra Gupta: Her claims that we *might* be close to herd immunity (HI) are looking increasingly ridiculous by the day. At the very least she should now reject the ~60% of population are infected scenario which came from the March study led by her.

Secondly, she needs to examine all the evidence relating to HI. The 80% of prison inmates who were were infected with Covid-19 flies in the face of the claims that a large chunk of the population has prior immunity.

2/ Michael Levitt: I look at Levitt’s childish curve fitting exercises and sit open mouthed. I cannot believe that I’m reading the thoughts of a Nobel prize winner. He simply doesn’t understand the distributions of disease infection. His waffle about Gompertz-type curves is akin to a blogger trying to show Isaac Newton how to perform basic calculus.

In a nutshell, the “Gompertz curve” is the cumulative distribution curve of cases (or deaths). All infections will follow a similar shape of curve – regardless of how many in the population are infected or what mitigation measures are taken.

I find it embarrassing that sceptics are hanging on to his every word. Most of what he says is completely irrelevant.

3/ Pandemic is over: No evidence for this. It might be (there’s that ‘might’ word again) but I’m sceptical (I’m a genuine sceptic). There are still large swathes across the UK which have remained largely untouched by the virus. There is a clear uptick in the UK in symptomatic cases, 111 calls … and now hospital admissions.

So-called sceptics are now grabbing at the “only the young infected” straw as though the virus has decided to ignore the elderly. This might be the case – at the moment but this is likely a new re-entry route.

Winter is coming. More people will be spending time inside. The likelihood of another surge is high.

115895 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Mayo, 5, #320 of 850 🔗

There were a lot of “mights” and “maybes” in that model though, weren’t there?

116603 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PoshPanic, #321 of 850 🔗

Ferguson’s kind of model.

117024 ▶▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to richard riewer, #322 of 850 🔗

Explain Ferguson’s model to me. Show me the broad mathematical concepts that drive the model. Then tell me which bits are wrong – based on what was definitely known in March.

115898 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Mayo, 13, #323 of 850 🔗

Where’s the uptick in hospital admissions?
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare

You don’t have to be a scientist to look at that graph and conclude that the epidemic is on the wane.

116610 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to zacaway, #324 of 850 🔗

https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1301908822689275904

Update to various Covid-19 indicators.

New positive tests continue upwards (+Triage & Zoe Symptom App) though no change in ONS infection survey estimates.

Hospitalisations up a bit over past week, esp in North West.

ONS surveys tend to lag other indicators by a week or so.

115899 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Mayo, 19, #325 of 850 🔗

Hi Mayo. Can you point me to the data on rising covid-19 hospital admissions and symptomatic cases that you refer to? Thanks.

115901 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Mayo, 11, #326 of 850 🔗

I disagree with you in section (1) (and probably the others when I look at them!).

While Gupta’s reasoning for the ~60% infected scenario *might* have been wrong, the figure might not be unreasonable. The issue is that ‘infection’ is not binary. The immune system may catch a whiff of virus and deal with it silently, nevertheless developing some memory ready for the next time. The immunity may not be as strong as might be developed with a full-blown illness, but if the whole population has slight immunity that may be sufficient to constitute a working herd immunity. This I have gleaned from listening to immunologists NOT epidemiologists.

Quoting an immunologist:
Beda Stadler: “Many doctors don’t like to immunise… but they don’t get the influenza because they’re constantly attacked by the influenza viruses and they slowly build up an immunity… So you can become immune even if you only have mild symptoms…”

This is probably unquantifiable scientifically, but it doesn’t mean that it isn’t real. It’s how the human race survives. We never needed scientists to tell us how to survive previously, but now it seems that we’ll die unless geniuses like Neil Ferguson tell us what to do.

115905 ▶▶ Sally, replying to Mayo, 6, #327 of 850 🔗

It’s well known that infection rates can overshoot the herd immunity threshold, where for example there’s a high transmission rate or low population heterogeneity. The prison example proves nothing.

You seem like a thoroughly unpleasant person.

116016 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Sally, -1, #328 of 850 🔗

No need for your last sentence.

115912 ▶▶ Mark II, replying to Mayo, 4, #329 of 850 🔗

Lol, you’ve had an absolute stinker here.

I give you a D-, must try harder

115917 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Mayo, 9, #330 of 850 🔗

In section (3) you say

There are still large swathes across the UK which have remained largely untouched by the virus.

What’s your evidence or reasoning for this? (Even then, I notice you hedged your bets with “largely” 🙂 )

115923 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mayo, 5, #331 of 850 🔗

If you back up or reference any of your claims with reasoning or evidence, you’ll have more luck convincing people.

115925 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Mayo, 5, #332 of 850 🔗

What are your thoughts on the increase in ‘cases’ being found by an increase in testing? How do those increasing numbers translate to an decrease in hopspital admissions, numbers in ICU and deaths?
What thoughts do you have about the poor counting done by healths ervice providers up and down the country and world wide.

Your own argument of ‘might’ is applicable to your fore-telling of a surge to come.

116612 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Basics, #333 of 850 🔗

Yes – increased testing = increased cases BUT the Covid symptom app & Triage data suggests symptomatic cases are increasing. That can’t be explained by more tests.

115927 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mayo, 5, #334 of 850 🔗

As a ‘genuine’ septic do you not wonder why healthy people are not dying from covid19 – and the claimed death counts are somewhere near bugger all at the moment – very ill frail people dying, as they do. Are you assuming/accepting that covid19 is probably seasonal?

115950 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Major Panic, 1, #335 of 850 🔗

Perhaps we should give Mayo a few more minutes to defend their position before labelling them as “septic”? It looks like the Freudian slip was justified though!

115957 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #336 of 850 🔗

You are absolutely right – the pro lockdown scientists have never used attack when their ‘the science’ has been scrutinised and are always so forthcoming with the reasoning behind their ‘the science’ thinking.

116618 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Major Panic, #337 of 850 🔗

I accept that the impact of Covid-19 affects the elderly and vulnerable far more than the young & healthy. However, people manage to live for many years with debilitating conditions. I’m far from convinced that those that have died “with” or “of” Covid were near to death anyway. All cause excess mortality is over 50k.

Re: Seasonality. This may be related to differences in the way we live during summer & winter. We open windows & spend more time outside. Viruses don’t spread as readily in well ventilated environments.

115931 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Mayo, 7, #338 of 850 🔗

Winter is coming. More people will be spending time inside. The likelihood of another surge is high.
So what are you saying? Lockdown was not a good idea?

115933 ▶▶ 4096, replying to Mayo, 13, #339 of 850 🔗

It is actually nice to see some sane contrarian thought just as a sanity check. It gives us the chance to improve our sceptic arguments. It definitively gives me something to think about. I wonder where you saw the data that Covid hospitalisations are rising significantly in the UK (a 100% uptick from 1 to 2 doesn’t count of course)? I might respond more in detail later but just a few quick questions: if we are not close to herd immunity why has there been no significant increase in Covid hospitalisation in any European country that reopened France, Germany, Czech Republic etc. even though case increases are very large? If you say that it’s because more young people are catching the virus then why did we lock young people up in the first place rather than allowing them to go out develop immunity and thus contribute to herd immunity which is the only ultimate way to end this pandemic however you get there (either vaccine or allowing controlled spread)? Why are Sweden’s deaths down to ~0? Is it because of their ban on crowds larger that 50 people? If so, why has there been no uptick after VE celebrations, BLM protest etc. in the UK and other countries?

115937 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Mayo, 7, #340 of 850 🔗

The data is nonsense.

‘the RT-qPCR tests register “existing” human DNA as a marker for the virus, hence the number of false positives as earlier alluded to; and that there is no independent verification of the existence of a distinctive isolated virus to date outside these tests (which makes a vaccine more debatable and dubious), and the tests currently being used cannot even discriminate between the various coronavirus types, at times showing a ‘positive’ for someone with the common cold.

The mainstream media, having leeched and gorged themselves on the spectacle, do not report that the PCR test is not looking for the entire sequence of the COVID-19 virus which has never been determined, but only a nucleate common to all coronaviruses. That is why Professor Kary Mullis, inventor of this test and who won a Nobel Prize in chemistry in 1993, himself said it is not a diagnostic tool and is in his words “inappropriate to detect a viral infection.”

Medium.com

The only useful data is/are overall mortality:

  • The number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 21 August 2020 (Week 34) was 9,631; this was 239 deaths higher than in Week 33.
  • In Week 34, the number of deaths registered was 5.2% above the five-year average (474 deaths higher); this is the second consecutive week that weekly deaths have been above the five-year average, however, the rise was not driven by the coronavirus (COVID-19).
  • The numbers of deaths in hospitals, care homes and other locations were below the five-year average in Week 34, while the number of deaths in private homes continued to be higher than the five-year average (825 more deaths).
  • Of the deaths registered in Week 34, 138 mentioned “novel coronavirus (COVID-19)”, the lowest number of deaths involving COVID-19 in the last 22 weeks and a 0.7% decrease compared with Week 33 (1 death), accounting for 1.4% of all deaths in England and Wales.
  • The number of deaths involving COVID-19 decreased or remained the same across the majority of the English regions, with two of the nine regions having fewer overall deaths than the five-year average.
  • In Wales, the number of deaths involving COVID-19 decreased to 11 deaths (from 14 deaths in Week 33), while the total number of deaths in Week 34 was above the five-year average (21 deaths).

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

  • In July 2020, there were 38,179 deaths registered in England, 576 deaths higher than the five-year average (2015 to 2019) for July; in Wales, there were 2,548 deaths registered, 69 deaths higher than the five-year average for July.
  • The leading causes of death in July 2020 were dementia and Alzheimer’s disease (10.6% of all deaths) in England, and ischaemic heart disease (11.7% of all deaths) in Wales.
  • In England, in July 2020, the coronavirus (COVID-19) was the eighth most frequent underlying cause of death, accounting for 2.6% of all deaths (976 deaths); in Wales, COVID-19 did not feature in the top 10 leading causes of death.

ONS

And the nature of the ONS covid 19 mortality figures differ markedly from those of other countries

‘In most cases (92.4% in England and 90.3% in Wales) where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate, it was found to be the underlying cause of death.’

ONS

When Italian covid 19 mortality figures were reviewed, they were reduced to 12%

In the U.S. only 6% of covid 19 deaths were solely from covid 19.

There is a clue as to why ONS covid 19 mortality figures differ so much:

‘Our definition of COVID-19 includes some cases where the certifying doctor suspected the death involved COVID-19 but was not certain, for example, because no test was done.’

ONS

If there is one thing our state bureaucrats know how to do well, it is obfuscation, particularly if it is in their own interests so to do…….

116622 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Tim Bidie, #341 of 850 🔗

The data is nonsense.

Tim, my arguments don’t rely on PCR data.

115944 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mayo, #342 of 850 🔗

Anybody got a fire extinguisher?

115949 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Mayo, 7, #343 of 850 🔗

Maybe I share some of your scepticism about Michael Levitt… I’m not sure. But when he was talking to Samir Bhatt of Imperial College in a webinar, Levitt definitely ‘won’.

Levitt is aware that Covid antibody testing usually tops out at about 20% in most populations and situations. This is a function of the non-binary nature of immunity and infection (80% of people have some resistance anyway; people acquire immunity without developing antibodies, etc.). It doesn’t mean that you couldn’t get >80% of people with antibodies in certain populations and situations, though. (Complicated isn’t it?)

Bhatt had no comprehension that it was possible that ‘infection’ could occur without antibodies showing up. For him, 5% of people showing antibodies meant that 95% were still wide open and all equally susceptible – as they were on Day 1.

Wrong. This is the danger in entrusting our real, physical futures to modellers of virtual, toy worlds.

By simply being aware of the subtlety of what is really going on, Levitt showed himself to be a much better scientist than Bhatt.

116620 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Barney McGrew, #344 of 850 🔗

By simply being aware of the subtlety of what is really going on, Levitt showed himself to be a much better scientist than Bhatt.

Hmm . Levitt’s arguments are weak and his maths questionable. He could be right for completely the wrong reasons.

115969 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Mayo, 10, #345 of 850 🔗

The opening gambit of “trust me I’m one of you” is a bit old isn’t it?

Most effort I’ve seen in a troll post yet so I’ll give you credit for that.

116621 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Nobody2020, #346 of 850 🔗

Do you want me to show you some examples of my ‘scepticism’?

I’m probably the first person to challenge Michael Mann on the “hide the decline” issue. That was 5 years BEFORE Climategate.

115972 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Mayo, 11, #347 of 850 🔗

Bearing in mind the three specific points you make, and the two people you name, are you Neil Ferguson, by chance?

115996 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Mayo, 2, #348 of 850 🔗

How can you call yourself a sceptic when the default sceptic position is the Null Hypothesis – this latest respiratory infection will not be significantly different than others?

You talk a good game but you’ve contradicted yourself.

For point 2 – all infections follow that curve – yes because it’s a feature of the human societal system. So what?

For point 3 – Pandemic is over? – did it even start?

You can’t make determinations about details if your tools do not provide you with the precision required by your hypothesis.

The tools for recording and attributing Covid were much vaguer.

116011 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Mayo, 1, #349 of 850 🔗

A “genuine sceptic”? Nah. Not by the widest definition.

116017 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Mayo, 1, #350 of 850 🔗

Do you apply the same critical eye and high bar for proof to the official government pronouncements?

116625 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to stewart, #351 of 850 🔗

Yep. SAGE & the government have been wrong on many things.

116041 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Mayo, 3, #352 of 850 🔗

Good to see free speech on this site and to respond to challenges. The question is; and so what should we be doing? I made the point to some colleagues the other day that what I am arguing for is a sophisticated, targeted and focussed approach rather than the blunderbuss approach of this Government.
In todays newsletter Toby talks about opening up for the majority and protecting the vulnerable, seems about right to me. I live in an area (N Devon) that has had low Covid and so may be thought of as at risk. But what I notice is that despite some indications to the contrary people are not actually stupid and the vulnerable are taking precautions, people in regular contact with the vulnerable are taking precautions.
I visited our now, open normally, library this morning and spoke (wearing no mask) to the librarian who said they were pleased to open the library again but were still running the service where they choose and select books for people, as vulnerable people still wanted to use this facility. This may seem like a minor thing but all these small protection measures for the vulnerable will help to break the link and ensure we do not get a surge of infections in the vulnerable. Testing should be scaled back and done better, targeted at the vulnerable and with some professional clinical input
If we get a surge of infections amongst the non-vulnerable, will anybody notice?

So that is my thoughts on what we should be doing, what do you think?

116094 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mayo, #353 of 850 🔗

“More people will be spending time inside”.

Yes, just as during enforced Lockdown when the Covid crazies have always denied that being out in the sunshine and fresh air was a defence against the Covid but only because Donald said that so it must be wrong and evil.

Oh and btw you plagiarized your last sentence from published media about a month ago.

Do have a lovely weekend.

116124 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Mayo, #354 of 850 🔗

Explain this chart showing 2020 ONS weekly all cause deaths in England & Wales matching (with a 14 week time shift into winter) population adjusted 1998/99 and 1999/2000 bad flu seasons. The absence of a 2019/20 flu peak is notable too. https://twitter.com/AlistairHaimes/status/1301906771246821376

116994 ▶▶▶ Mayo, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #355 of 850 🔗

What about it ?

116372 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Mayo, 1, #356 of 850 🔗

Love it mate, i too take great pleasure in writing absolute shit for a laugh only with me some people find it funny.

116437 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mayo, #357 of 850 🔗

Troll alert!

115889 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #358 of 850 🔗

Covid19 city infrastructure measures fossilize around us.

Outraged by Edinburgh Council’s traffic plans? Remember the SNP knows better than you – John McLellan

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/outraged-edinburgh-councils-traffic-plans-remember-snp-knows-better-you-john-mclellan-2959799

“It certainly showed a commitment to the cause for Councillor Macinnes to put up with booing and jeering for the best part of two hours, but of course she knew all along the joke was really on them because it is now clear that the diversions and blockages across the city causing so much dismay are not temporary measures to facilitate social distancing but here to stay.

“The SNP’s Programme for Government (PfG) published this week confirmed this is the start of widespread permanent change and with such schemes now fully endorsed by First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, the chances of a local U-turn are as high as Cllr Macinnes doing a doughnut on the City Chambers quad in a Ford Mustang.

To prevent a “surge” in private car use, the Scottish Government says it will spend over £500 million over five years on active travel, allowing councils to seek funding for “large scale, transformational active travel infrastructure projects, reallocating road space in favour of walking, cycling and wheeling over cars”.

Read that. Realise it is coming to a town or city near you. Then seek out Windows on the World podcasts by Mark Windows, he is masterful at sourcing documents that show exactly what the globalist plan for your local area.

115948 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 2, #360 of 850 🔗

Stones and weird plastic plants in parks and gardens will have them soon too and tables in pubs and restaurants.

115960 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Two-Six, 2, #361 of 850 🔗

.. and we have no money plead the local councils, covid cleaned us out. Servants of the people or something different. All of the above shoe horned into the pandemic. Not incompetence.

116057 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, 3, #362 of 850 🔗

That would NOT be a desirable development!
Shades of China..

116604 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Carrie, #363 of 850 🔗

Hidden microphones in plastic plants on indoor/outdoor tables? Looks the Village in The Prisoner.

116442 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, #364 of 850 🔗

Later phases could see cameras with microphones that allow the operators to speak to people on the street ,
Do they mean microphones or speakers? Freudian slip?

smart lampposts containing small cameras which could stream live video from the scene of a street accident for a doctor to offer advice on patient care and on-street
What, no paramedics and ambulances??

115910 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #365 of 850 🔗

Keep Britain Free
The KBF Show Episode #1 – Back to School COVID-19 Restrictions

Visit http://www.keepbritainfree.com for more.

In this episode we explore the main topic of the week; Back To School and the social distancing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLbtzz4xxBc

115911 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #366 of 850 🔗

It’s very well done, but are they just preaching to the converted?

115914 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, 1, #367 of 850 🔗

That depends on who watches it. It’s a good show, worth a watch.

116021 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #368 of 850 🔗

So far it looks like a Simon Dolan vehicle to me.

The show needs to project the sense that there are lots of sceptics and anti lockdown advocates, not just one very motivated one.

115913 Fed up, replying to Fed up, 30, #369 of 850 🔗

If I were in the undesirable position of being a politician I would be eagle eyeing the hospital admissions and death rates over the next 3 weeks (post schools opening) and if there is no uptick, I would start grandstanding big time about getting rid of all Covid secure BS for fear of being caught out on the wrong side when the tide turns. Be interesting to see if this does in fact starts happening.

115919 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Fed up, 4, #370 of 850 🔗

Yep, if we can keep schools open for more than about two days, they will be a very useful indicator; schools may be the supermarkets of the second (non) wave!

115932 ▶▶ Philip F, replying to Fed up, 18, #371 of 850 🔗

True.
And there was a good opportunity at the beginning of this insanity, when the lockdown decision was made, for somebody to flounce out of the cabinet on the grounds that the policy was uncosted, reckless and clearly going to cause untold damage.That person would be looking pretty heroic now. Unfortunately nobody of sufficient intelligence or independence exists in the current cabinet of fools.

116450 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Philip F, 1, #372 of 850 🔗

It was a coup. By the time any potential candidate realised what was happening, it was a fait accompli.

116605 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Philip F, #373 of 850 🔗

Make them a ship of fools, send them to live on the Diamond Princess.

115940 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Fed up, 8, #374 of 850 🔗

If you were as complicit as all our MPs in lockdown, you would not. Instead, as they are, you would be preoccupied with escaping accountability for lockdown.

This appears to be the Tory strategy, to triangulate gradually against Labour, and present themselves in the end as liberators rather than perpetrators of their own covid ‘measures.’

I don’t know if it can work for them, but it certainly can’t be done quickly. Unfortunately.

115956 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Fed up, 7, #375 of 850 🔗

I would love to agree but unfortunately I think this pantomime will continue until the spring at least. The powers that be are shi**ing themselves over “the deadly winter outbreak” that they’re convinced will happen as soon as the clocks go back at the end of October. They are so risk averse where this bloody virus is concerned that they’re terrified of being blamed for even one allegedly preventable death due to measures being lifted too early. I despair.

115941 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 6, #376 of 850 🔗

Love the Matt cartoon, better not show it to Safeguarding they’ll go into meltdown.

115953 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to karenovirus, 2, #377 of 850 🔗

Laughed out loud when I saw that cartoon. Yes, better not let the Safeguarding people see it or they’ll stick barcodes on each kid’s head so you can pick up the right one with some tracking system.

115954 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to zacaway, 2, #378 of 850 🔗

Stand here you, *bloop*, yes this is your one, see you tomorrow.

115983 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to zacaway, 2, #379 of 850 🔗

No – more likely micro-chips: any excuse!

115942 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 14, #380 of 850 🔗

Greater Manchester lockdown eased but fears rise for Leeds

The great thing about not watching or reading mainstream news is that you never know what garbage the government are pouring forth on next. Which is why, of course, if Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle or Timbuctoo for that matter is ‘locked down’ who gives a sh*t? Not me I can assure you. As far as the Covid nonsense is concerned, once wisdom and good sense takes over and you’re 110% sceptic then, speaking personally, they can say what they like—I don’t read it or listen to it and therefore I’m not aware of it.

When it comes to the latest utterances of the likes of Johnson, Hancock and any of the other ‘fear pushers’ then ignorance really is bliss.

115951 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Harry hopkins, 7, #381 of 850 🔗

From the Independent “ Leeds Council leader calls for greater powers to deal with coronavirus spike
The leader of Leeds City Council has called for more powers to deal with the rising number of coronavirus cases in her city after the government listed it as an area of concern.
Judith Blake told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that there was “no room for complacency” over the increase in the infection rate.
“We’re saying to central government that actually, in line with other local authorities, if they give us the powers and resources they need, actually these things are far better dealt with at a local level,” Ms Blake said.
“We have the experience through our public health teams, our environmental health teams and we’re saying to government, ‘Let us do what we do well and do best’.”
She added: “We know our communities and we know how to get out there and reach people in terms of self-isolating.
“Personal contact is so much more powerful than down a phone line.”
Conrad Duncan 5 September 2020 09:55″
Another Council Leader wetting themselves with joy that their moment has come and they can exert power over their electorate.

115968 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to arfurmo, 6, #382 of 850 🔗

Thanks for that arfurmo but it illustrates my point exactly. A power grab by a local non entity masquerading as a responsible council official and who is enjoying her opportunity to be in the limelight, is not something I want to be aware of. Nor will the antics of yet another ‘bed wetter’ in a responsible position do anything to scupper the inevitable march to sanity that seems to be picking up a pace…I’m glad to say.

115993 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #383 of 850 🔗

Government gave councils these powers.

115945 PoshPanic, 1, #384 of 850 🔗

About the second wave in Oz. With only 4 deaths under 50 and 15 under 60, you’re far more likely to die surfing.

https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/14/1/62

https://www.health.gov.au/resources/covid-19-deaths-by-age-group-and-sex

Good article from a couple of years back, that breaks down the risks at the beach…

https://www.swellnet.com/news/swellnet-dispatch/2018/09/18/not-surfing-drowning

Most alarming part!!!

According to their surveys, 20% of surfers self-report as unable to swim in the surf or as weak swimmers, and that figure has been consistent from year to year.

115952 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 33, #385 of 850 🔗

Extinction Rebellion stopped many newspapers being delivered today.

Lots of media folks on Twitter complaining that it’s an attack on free speech.

Can’t say the media have been particularly representative of free speech in recent months.

115973 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Nobody2020, #386 of 850 🔗

Yes, here in Cornwall, deliveries held up. But newspapers are recycled!

115975 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to bluemoon, 1, #387 of 850 🔗

That may help in any future toilet roll shortages.

116030 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #388 of 850 🔗

It will free up paper supplies for face nappies too, so it’s not all bad.

116022 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #389 of 850 🔗

It would be extremely interesting to see what would happen if there was no mainstream media for a month.

That’s a social experiment I would like to see.

116276 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #390 of 850 🔗

Wow, how far gone are media types to think they are peddling free speech!

116606 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basics, #391 of 850 🔗

Smoking too much weed?

116459 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nobody2020, #392 of 850 🔗

Hilarious considering you can get MSM via the internet and any old fogey without a computer no doubt relies on the good old beeb to keep them informed.
Attack on free speech indeed?

115959 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 14, #393 of 850 🔗

Something to celebrate.
According to the Metro newspaper; “thousands of people have been very naughty and after being told to put themselves under house arrest after coming home from foreign holidays can expect a visit from the Covid Gestapo”
Can we hope that at last the revolt is gaining ground; we can only hope.

116316 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #394 of 850 🔗

Doubt if the Gestapo can cope.
If one calls, shoot it and feed the body to the zombies.

115961 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #395 of 850 🔗

I had a couple of abusive emails from family members because I emailed them links the Covid Police arrests in Australia and Liverpool.

Anyone else had similar experiences?

115991 ▶▶ John P, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #396 of 850 🔗

Not so far. I prefer not to communicate with people who I know buy into the government propaganda.

I have found that members of my immediate family are all on the sceptical end of the spectrum.

116005 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to John P, 4, #397 of 850 🔗

Some people can’t handle truth.

However others might starts to think.

It’s probably best to keep posting on various websites with links that are neutral. A non sceptic may be far likely to read with an open mind. For example:

Why Are Covid-19 Cases Soaring In NZ? PCR Test Update

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcONxyAJ8S4

Dr. Sam Bailey

Dr Sam talks about what is happening in NZ in regards to COVID-19 and important information you should know about the COVID-19 PCR Test.

116055 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #398 of 850 🔗

Good example!

116607 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #399 of 850 🔗

Living in denial.

115964 Fingerache Philip., 2, #400 of 850 🔗

PS: I meant to say that these naughty people quite rightly ignored the order to put themselves under house arrest.

115974 DeepBlueYonder, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 19, #401 of 850 🔗

One aspect of the response to Coronavirus/Covid-19 is baffling and disheartening. The ostensible goal of most UK university programmes these days is to support the development of ‘critical thinking’ skills (I work in a UK university).

The response to coronavirus/Covid-19 suggests that this project has been singularly unsuccessful.

Moreover, the absence of critical thinking seems to be most marked in the social media and mainstream media where I imagine (I don’t have the data to confirm this) that a majority of participants/contributors are graduates.

115992 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 5, #402 of 850 🔗

“Ostensible” is the key word there! The reality is that Universities have taken on the role formerly claimed by the Medieval Church – watching over the flock and ensuring it does not stray. Critical thinking is the enemy of the faith and the faith is that one day we will achieve “equality of outcome” in all manner of things. Critical thinking is anathema to that insane article of faith.

116079 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to OKUK, 2, #403 of 850 🔗

Teaching them what to think rather than how to think.
Baaaaaaaaaa!

116025 ▶▶ stewart, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 7, #404 of 850 🔗

Wherever did you get the notion that university programmes or educatio these days is meant to support critical thinking?

It is designed to teach obedience and compliance and as a sorting system for the population.

If you develop any critical thinking ability it is IN SPITE of the education system not because of it.

116142 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to DeepBlueYonder, 1, #405 of 850 🔗

The only ‘critical thinking’ taught and employed since the mid 80s seems to be an instinctive immediate and sole identity politics based check.
Kant’s Sapere aude! and the enlightenment, as well as Hegel’s dialectic have been dying a slow
death since then, both finally having been killed off in March 2020.

116461 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DeepBlueYonder, #406 of 850 🔗

I think the current goal of the universities is to make themselves extinct.

115976 Paul, replying to Paul, 18, #407 of 850 🔗

Reading all the stories of school children forced to wear muzzles and being excluded for fake coughing etc, reminded me of something when I was at primary school around half a century ago.
One day our teacher was off and we had the deputy head standing in for her.It was probably one of those days we were in class with coats and gloves on because we had no heat or electricity due to one union or another being on strike.A lot of us had a dry,barking type cough and all of a sudden the deputy head rose from her desk and said sternly ‘I will allow no more coughing !,you will work in silence,keep your coughs in,did you know that every time you cough you destroy hundreds of your brain cells ! and most of you can’t afford to lose any’.
We were fairly frightened by her at the best of times but this stunned us into silence,however,after a short bit of total peace half the class burst out with loud coughing in unison as we couldn’t hold our breaths any longer !.

115982 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Paul, 1, #408 of 850 🔗

The wisdom and good sense of teachers!

116103 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Paul, 9, #409 of 850 🔗

I got sent out of the library at school because I sneezed. Twice. Too loudly, apparently.

I am still outraged about it over 30 years later. I hope that nasty old biddy teacher had a miserable old age sat in a puddle of stale urine.

115986 mhcp, 9, #410 of 850 🔗

When I was a student we had a meal called Chicken Surprise – potatoes, beans and chicken burgers/breast etc. It was called Chicken Surprise because sometimes we couldn’t afford the chicken and had fish cakes instead – they looked the same!

That’s what the PCR testing is like. You have some meat, or you had some meat two weeks ago so you’ve now got the Plague.

Surprise!!!

115994 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 32, #411 of 850 🔗

Love in the Time of Covid

TOBY, please do not use photos of couples with masks. I cannot see that any LS will start a relationship with a mask.

Images of masked people are not good for our mental health.

116143 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Victoria, 3, #412 of 850 🔗

Yes, seeing people in muzzles makes me feel physically sick.

116609 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Victoria, #413 of 850 🔗

Just Zorro and The Lone Ranger.

115995 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #414 of 850 🔗

There was a game called Second Life released in the early 2000s. It was a virtual world where people could “live” and actually make real money doing jobs for other people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Life

Taking the current insanity to an extreme logical conclusion, we could save so many lives if everyone simply lived in a virtual world.

Based on everything I’ve seen so far it won’t be long before we see some ridiculous study suggesting just that.

116028 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #415 of 850 🔗

“Real Life” for many is now conducted in a virtual world.

116092 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #416 of 850 🔗

Read ‘The Machine Stops’ by E M Forster. Written over 100 years ago.

DavidC

116523 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DavidC, #417 of 850 🔗

I have it downloaded.

115997 Aremen, replying to Aremen, 6, #418 of 850 🔗

I was talking to a friend yesterday who was complaining about how uncomfortable it is to wear a mask. I told her she was exempt, because it causes her distress. She was astonished to hear this, and said it can’t be true. I also told her it was a specific offence to challenge non-wearers. She asked for evidence. She is an ex-lawyer!
Now, today, I can’t find the section on the gov.uk which says that it is an offence to challenge someone who is not wearing a mask. Has it been removed from gov.uk? Can anyone help please?

116104 ▶▶ Edna, replying to Aremen, #419 of 850 🔗
116117 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Edna, 1, #420 of 850 🔗

You can also access that link from https://nomasks.info which is perhaps easier to remember

116002 mjr, replying to mjr, 10, #422 of 850 🔗

Shopping report ..

First time in months i have been shopping on a Saturday.
Aldi. every person masked . shuffling around like zombies.

Then in to the adjoining shopping centre. walked around the common areas (where mask not required) and all bar 4 people masked . including a lot of kids .

I was unmasked as always, head up and smiling at everyone. I see myself as a missionary so sheeple can see someone ignoring the mask mafias.

Highlight was B&M, went in there. Didnt have what i wanted (memo to B&M – where are the Sharwoods Jalfrezi pot noodles?) so went to till with my small purchase. Lady on till unmasked. I gave her £1 coin. She gave me change. We smiled at each other. I said how nice it was to make a normal purchase.

Off topic. I went back to car whistling a tune (an unexpected feeling of happiness) ANyway got in the car , put on radio and Classic fm were playing the same bit of music (later checked it was Solveig’s Song from peer gynt.. one of those pieces that you recognise but dont know what it is) uncanny!!!! (and no i hadnt heard it on someone elses radio .. (Classic FM in Aldi parking lot???) ) .

116027 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to mjr, #423 of 850 🔗

Had you been a bedwetter, we could have said it was your tinfoil hat picking it up, but for now, scientists are baffled!

116050 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to mjr, 4, #424 of 850 🔗

Shopping report from IKEA in Sweden: restaurant has re-opened, though with tables more spaced out. Today it looked like people were sitting where they liked, but I saw some notice regarding some new seating routine linked to how many in your party? I suspect this is possibly to stop the rather odd (but typical!) Swedish behaviour of single people choosing to sit at a large empty table instead of at a smaller table where another lone diner is already sitting, and thereby reducing the availability of larger tables for bigger groups..

But that the restaurant has re-opened is definitely a positive development, and hopefully a sign that larger gatherings may be permitted soon – even with reduced capacity, the IKEA restaurants seat far more than 50 diners at a time!

116136 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Carrie, 2, #425 of 850 🔗

IKEA in Germany in contrast isn’t even accepting medical certificates that state ones mask exemption.
Boycot them!

116100 ▶▶ davews, replying to mjr, 2, #426 of 850 🔗

Tesco this morning nothing much changed. Apart from most of the till girls and a few of the shelf stackers 100% masks. Even more perspex at the checkout (what a waste of plastic) and you had to access the card machine through a new slot in that screen then tear off your receipt through that hole as well. Depressing.

116471 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mjr, 1, #427 of 850 🔗

I was blasting out Chopin in Aldi carpark last week.
The previous week, it was Charlie Mingus though.

116564 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Cheezilla, #428 of 850 🔗

Chopin – good choice!
I was cutting vegetables earlier. I used a sharp knife & did it on a Chopin board. 🙂

116614 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, #429 of 850 🔗

Chopsticks?

116613 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, #430 of 850 🔗

Which tune? Saw Charles Mingus in Montreal, 1976 or 77. Unfortunately he wasn’t in good health at the time. There is an interview with him and the owner of Atlantic Records, really worth listening to. What a humble man Mingus was. Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dgi5Vku8MI&list=PLcc51NYcXkvGJ9zpnD85DwM231fxweK0D&index=219

116611 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to mjr, #431 of 850 🔗

What a coincidence.
Hugh Masekela, 1966, Coincidence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiq2SnT2HKg

116007 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #432 of 850 🔗

Even more people wearing masks in my local town. 😒

116056 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Bella Donna, 9, #433 of 850 🔗

Mine too. In shops, on the streets, everywhere. Usually I’m the only unmuzzled one. Saw a man cleaning his glasses with his muzzle this morning!!

116091 ▶▶▶ DavidC, replying to bluemoon, 2, #434 of 850 🔗

The first time I was unmuzzled in an environment of muzzleds, it felt weird. Now I feel liberated.

DavidC

116132 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to bluemoon, 3, #435 of 850 🔗

I wouldn’t be surprised if he cleaned something else with it too….

I am also pretty sure that half the people at least will continue to wear masks for at least another 2 years, even if they were no longer mandated, a vaccine existed or their harmfulness even with regard to Corona was firmly
established.
People ARE that DUMB.

116008 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #436 of 850 🔗

UN says new polio outbreak in Sudan caused by oral vaccine By MARIA CHENG
September 2, 2020
https://apnews.com/619efb65b9eeec5650f011b960a152e9

116047 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #437 of 850 🔗

Interesting that the UN are reporting this…doesn’t really fit with the (vaccine) narrative..

116012 cloud6, replying to cloud6, #438 of 850 🔗

UK Legislation up for review on 26 September :

Coronavirus Act 2020

(a) exercised only temporarily,
(b) used only for the purposes for which they were granted, and
(c) used in a manner proportionate to the situation.

Sec. 98 Six-month parliamentary review

The form of the motion is— “That the temporary provisions of the Coronavirus Act 2020 should not yet expire.”

In effect the 2020 legislation can be extended for as long as they want.

MP’s have to vote on this motion for the law to continue. Will be watching this one closely and how my MP votes..

Worth mentioning the other legislation being used in this pandemic is the Public Health Act 1984, 36 years old but the provisions are draconian and can be used.

116483 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to cloud6, #439 of 850 🔗

Ive emailed mine to find out his position and to make mine clear

116014 Jonathan Castro, replying to Jonathan Castro, 24, #440 of 850 🔗

Email sent to Cabinet Office and various staff, including Hancock, Whitty and Sedwill:

Hi,

May I suggest ditching all the “Covid-secure” rubbish and letting us all get back to NORMAL.

No antisocial distancing.

No masks.

No stupid regulations for offices to make them “Covid-secure”.

Get rid of it all.

Thanks for reading.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Castro
Fed up after working at home for 5 months.

116045 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jonathan Castro, #441 of 850 🔗

Thought Sedwill had been ‘moved out’..?

116018 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #442 of 850 🔗

If I were a sceptic being interview on the radio and somebody mentioned “conspiracy theories” I would say there have been so many contradictory decisions and statement by the Government. Therefore, it’s hardly surprising that people start speculation and wonder what happens next.

I would then say it’s obvious that Boris didn’t go to St Thomas’s hospital, but was transported into alien spaceship to have his brain swapped with Theresa May’s.

116020 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #443 of 850 🔗

I’m worried about the conspiracy theories about possible conspiracy theories…

116023 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Major Panic, 6, #444 of 850 🔗

In the early days Boris used to describe the virus as a “invisible enemy” and if it were some strange mutant 21st Century version of the Luftwaffe. And they say conspiracy theorists are nuts.

116617 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #445 of 850 🔗

He said that anti-vaxxers were nuts.

116616 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #446 of 850 🔗

Covid-19 is a Conspiracy. Reality, not a theory.

116019 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 10, #447 of 850 🔗

Even our sensationalist media can’t find a disaster area around the world that they can claim is covid19 related anymore – so its time to get rid of the quarantine nonsense with a bit of honesty and firmness.

All these suggestions of testing at airport are understandable but could end up like the disastrous politically motivated mask legislation – it will have well people isolating and will be difficult to bring to an end.

Just end quarantine from all countries that have low/stable covid19 related; icu patients and deaths

116036 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 2, #448 of 850 🔗

In fact we could use the ‘precautionary principle’ to justify doing away with lockdowns, pcr testing the healthy, face nappies, quarantine, fear mongering, imperial college london.

Because if we don’t – we’re all fcuked

116038 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Major Panic, 6, #449 of 850 🔗

Closing borders and quarantine for non-symptomatic individuals has never been recommended in planning documents. It’s all part of the same bollocks.

All the signs are that this moderate virus has burned itself out, and that there is a good level of population immunity. So even less reason for being unreasonable.

116040 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 14, #450 of 850 🔗

https://twitter.com/andrewbostom/status/1302047711131308032/photo/1
The crazy world of testing.11000 university students tested recently in the US with PCR+,almost all asymptomatic and zero hospitalizations. These “cases” are now recorded in the US with spikes in Alabama, Illinois and Ohio with several thousand cases. This is ridiculous and dangerous. They are obviously non-infectious and even China is not now reporting asymptomatic cases as positive. Insane in not concentrating testing on clinical cases, hospitalizations etc

116088 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to swedenborg, 6, #451 of 850 🔗

I get really angry with the use of the term ‘cases’. They’re positive tests, using a methodology that is open to critcism (how many amplifications? Is it testing for specific SARS-Cov-2 fragments or generic viral – or other – fragments? How many fales positives does it produce? I could go on).

‘In my day’ a case was an infection, with symptoms, that generally, but not always, required hospitalisation. A positive test result is NOT a case.

DavidC

116114 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to DavidC, 2, #452 of 850 🔗

Not just ‘in my day’- actually in terms of any meaningful definition in my language. 🙂

116145 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to DavidC, 2, #453 of 850 🔗

I have seen mention of unfit PCR tests go from conspiracy type sites in February, to alternative media by April, to doctors speaking about it, now to medical journals and to BBC main stream media.

The road of travel there is that the tests are extremely flawed and are the key stone to all of this. I am no scientist but when I see the argument jump through that many hoops, it’s got serious legs.

116619 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #454 of 850 🔗

We should make hoop jumping an Olympic Sport. We have the athletes to participate in that discipline, and most of them are in the government.

116267 ▶▶ guy153, replying to swedenborg, 1, #456 of 850 🔗

The ratio of asymptomatic to symptomatic is a good indicator of the specificity of the test. Asymptomatic should be about 60% of total positives (at least the ONS found a constant 60% asymptomatic both at 0.34% prevalence and at 0.05%). When the prevalence is equal to the false positive rate the asymptomatic rate will look more like it is in the general population (I mean whatever percentage of people don’t have a cold or something, probably high 90s in the summer).

116042 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 20, #457 of 850 🔗

First attempt to point out the dangers of masks, besides the oxygen and carbon dioxide problems.

Breathing

In the great outdoors, when you inhale you take in fresh air from your surroundings.

When you exhale your breath is contaminated with moisture and pathogens (viruses, bacteria, fungi, carbon dioxide and who knows what else).

In the open air, what you exhale is diluted and dispersed by air currents and the wind so that you breathe in very little, if anything that you exhaled. In brief, you exhale pathogens and moisture and breathe in uncontaminated air.

Things change dramatically when you put on a mask. When you exhale, some of the moisture and pathogen soup is trapped by the fabric of the mask. The concentration of moisture and pathogens will build up on the mask and with each breath some of them will be blown into the outside air and some will contaminate the incoming air. You will breathe in contaminated air that will increase the concentration of pathogens in your airways and lungs. A greater concentration of pathogens in the lungs cannot be good for anybody’s health. Th

We have the analogy of the motor car. Normally, in the open air, the exhaust is quickly dispersed. However, run the car for a few minutes inside the garage and the exhaust fumes become concentrated and life threatening.

116052 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to PastImperfect, 8, #458 of 850 🔗

Nice try P.I., but it won’t make a dent unless you’re talking to someone already on the cusp and fed up with the daftness. Your analogy of car exhaust is a goodie though, and I will use it if I may.

116102 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to bluemoon, 4, #459 of 850 🔗

How about:

“Without a mask, when you breathe out of your nose the exhaled air comes out of your nostrils and heads downward and away from those around you.

With a mask on the air you exhale comes out around the sides and top of the mask and stays at head height much longer, increasing the risk of infection to those around you.”

i.e “I’m keeping you safe by NOT wearing a mask” 🙂

Would someone artistic be able to come up with a suitable image to illustrate this in a similar vein to the “if I pee on you it’s better when I’m wearing trousers” nonsense?

116126 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #460 of 850 🔗

Masks also very likely increase the all-decisive viral load of a sofar only mildly SARS Cov2 infected anf non-infectious person, only turning him into a Corona virus problem thereby.

Some doctors have also commented that our mask wearing will now ENSURE a very bad flu season upcoming, as we haven’t been able to exchange enough germs with another, which would have built up our immune system and immunities against that.
(Basically what Gupta always stated about the flu/Covid relationship anyway.)
The latter might also be the main and true reason for the current drive by the authorities to make people get flu shots this fall (not withstanding the fact that one was far more susceptible to die of Covid if one had a flu shot in Italy…).

116358 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #461 of 850 🔗

While I like your analogy, we’re not dealing with rational people here. People who have been sucked in by the mask narrative are responding emotionally. I’m not sure what it takes to stop mass psychosis caused by emotional manipulation.

116377 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #462 of 850 🔗

There was a good article on that at Rubikon.
Likely only reverse emotional manipulation by us, like the vivid cancer death stories, can do the trick.
At least until the whole thing is either exposed as a con, or the catastrophes start to occur (vaccine deaths, hyperinflation etc.).

116364 ▶▶ stewart, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #463 of 850 🔗

Everything the body expels, it does so for good reason.

You wouldn’t want to walk around with a nappy on. All that stuff is meant to go.
You certainly don’t want to cover your skin in cellophane to stop your perspiration.
And you surely don’t want to be covering your nose and mouth to obstruct air leaving your body. We exhale for good reason…

116046 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 17, #464 of 850 🔗

You know who I feel really sorry for in all this mess? – Howard Hughes.

Just think about it, in the 50’s and 60’s he was regarded as a total crank, today he would have been a covid star! Almost constant self-isolation, obsessive hand washing, never touching another person, never visiting a hairdresser, I don’t know if he wore a mask and gloves, but he probably did. Almost the ideal citizen for 2020, what a shame he was born 60 years too early. Today they would have given him a medal – The Covid Cross and Bar (of soap). Of course the Hughes Aircraft Company would have been totally foobarred like every branch of aviation today and because he had money and influence somebody would almost certainly have accused him of being involved in the ‘reset’ conspiracy, but I doubt he would have cared any more than Gates does. And personally I would have loved to have travelled in a ‘Spruce Goose’.

A man before his time!

116099 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Old Bill, #465 of 850 🔗

Nice one, O. Bill.

116455 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Old Bill, #466 of 850 🔗

He didn’t wear a mask and gloves but basically spent his life in his room. However if he were alive today you can bet that he will

116048 Joseph Collins, 12, #467 of 850 🔗

Some people really should give their heads a wobble regarding the safety, or rather the lack of safety, with regards to vaccines and saying it’s all a conspiracy theory. It isn’t. Bill gates is up to his eyeballs in vaccine damage and is on record saying the whole world needs to be vaccinated. Again no conspiracy. Even by taking Gates out of the equation vaccines are not safe. If they were why would we need this?

https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment

Why are CV19 vaccine manufacturers being given immunity from prosecution for any harm done by their vaccines?

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brain-damaged-uk-victims-swine-flu-vaccine-get-60-million-compensation-1438572

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/un-forced-admit-gates-funded-vaccine-causing-polio-outbreak-africa

@LotusOak2 is worth following on Twitter regarding vaccine safety.

What about health passports? Last month this was a conspiracy theory. It’s real.

https://reclaimthenet.org/digital-health-passport-unveiled-in-ireland/

https://www.healthpassportireland.ie/

Start reading about the 4th industrial revolution.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/rationalizing-great-reset

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/standing-crossroads

Yes we’re having a major issue with the removal of civil liberties and free speech etc but this is a deep rabbit hole and too many people still have no idea what’s coming.

116061 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Tom Blackburn, #470 of 850 🔗

Well if started there in January and it is now September, that’s nine months. So if ours kicked off in March, all back to normal by Xmas?

116137 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to arfurmo, 3, #471 of 850 🔗

A lot of theatre with this kind of stuff. Remember all those videos of people dying in the streets of China, packed hospitals with people coughing blood, and haz mat wearing men taking people away in trucks.

Remember how that same thing happened here too?

116481 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #472 of 850 🔗

2-0 to Wuhan Hubei final score

116150 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to arfurmo, #473 of 850 🔗

Which is what Boris and Wancock are saying, this week at least.

116233 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to arfurmo, 1, #474 of 850 🔗

According to the Spectator back to normal by Christmas is what Johnson told the 1922 committee he ‘hoped’ would be the case. Of course he failed to define normal.

The smart money is on this:

If you have had the vaccine and collected and always carry around your covid passport, then you can have a normal unmasked Christmas, if you haven’t done so then you’ll have to wear a mask 24/7 until you have complied with the new normal.

116623 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Old Bill, #475 of 850 🔗

Uh uh. No way José.

116058 Fingerache Philip., 11, #476 of 850 🔗

Who would have thought that the words ” A leading scientist has suggested, etc” would have you contemplating suicide.

116060 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 15, #477 of 850 🔗

OH put the News Quiz (or some other unfunny Radio4 ‘comedy’|) on in the car this morning. Some ‘comedians’ going on about sending their kids to school in masks, like it was funny. Obviously they all agreed it’s OK to muzzle your children. Told OH I didn’t want to listen to it, ended up in a row with him telling me that I’m mad because I don’t agree with the accepted narrative. Everyone else thinks masks are fine so it must be! That presumably includes him, though he never goes anywhere requiring a mask. God give me strength (to put a pillow over his head and put him out of my misery!)

116065 ▶▶ CGL, replying to HelzBelz, 9, #478 of 850 🔗

You’re not mad – anyone who thinks masks are normal is mad.

116624 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to CGL, #479 of 850 🔗

They should only be worn at Masked Balls and Fetish bars,

116076 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to HelzBelz, 12, #480 of 850 🔗

I naively thought that a fortnight to a month of wearing masks in shops would be enough to disgust people and encourage a bit of thinking about things..pah how wrong was I.

116135 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to KBuchanan, #481 of 850 🔗

Ditto. Maybe Britons don’t deserve to be free.

116352 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to TJN, 2, #482 of 850 🔗

Well, some of us do.

116475 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to ConstantBees, #483 of 850 🔗

Yes, a very small number of us.

116105 ▶▶ GLT, replying to HelzBelz, 6, #484 of 850 🔗

My family largely agree with me but can’t understand why I am angry…it’s very frustrating.

116131 ▶▶ mjr, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #485 of 850 🔗

listened to it on sounds …. even though they have got rid of last series’ host Nish Kumar who is the unfunniest right on woke “comedian” it is still a shadow of its old self and full of the usual BBC promoted right on comedians so wont bother again .

116063 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #486 of 850 🔗

July 11 Anders Eklof
·

Sweden is a country that did not lock down their economy in fighting COVID 19. What is the bottom line on how their results compare to other countries that did lock down?
There is a lot of discussion in Sweden right now about our response to the coronavirus pandemic. The Swedish healthcare agency initially estimated that it would take at least two years before a vaccine could be developed that was proven safe and effective and would be available to millions of people in mass vaccinations. Weighing the nationwide economic and social effects of a shutdown like what China forced on Wuhan, the government faced a terrible choice: Trying to strike a balance between lives lost and economic devastation from a prolonged shutdown of business and social interactions.
China is not Sweden. The city of Wuhan has about the same population as the nation of Sweden (10 million). Still, China has a population of almost 1.5 billion , and a shutdown in Wuhan had, initially, only a minor effect on the Chinese economy. At the time, late 2019, no one foresaw that the contagion would be impossible to contain and wipe out locally, but that it would become a pandemic that would have devastating consequences worldwide both in terms of lives lost and economic impact. The worldwide economic repercussions of the pandemic eventually hit the Chinese economy very hard also.
In early 2020 it became clear that the infection had spread to Europe and could be expected to reach Sweden eventually. An initial assumption was that the mortality rate for the infection was in the 1 – 2 % range. (Based on early data from China before the disastrous outbreak in Italy.) The Swedish government decided to rely on voluntary cooperation by the population with recommendations for how to slow down the spread of the virus.
1. Stay home unless you have an urgent need to go out in public.
2. Keep a distance of about six feet to other people when outside.
3. After having been out in public, avoid touching your face or eyes until you have washed your hands.
4. Avoid crowds of more than 50 people.

Sweden has seen voluntary cooperation from the public. Restaurants have limited the number of people who they can serve while maintaining “social distance,” movie theaters have closed, sports organizations have canceled events or played with no spectators, et cetera. But most regular businesses have remained operating in a more normal manner, and the restrictions themselves have had only a limited effect on unemployment. However, the Swedish economy is heavily dependent on export and international trade, and the worldwide downturn of business activity has caused a slowdown in Sweden also, with some increase in unemployment. Swedes have 5 – 8 weeks of paid vacation per year and typically travel a lot. That has seen a sharp decline, with a corresponding reduction in personal spending. The transportation and hospitality business have born the brunt of the increase in unemployment.

In Germany, Denmark, and Norway, the governments decided to go for maximum suppression of the spread and ordered more extensive shutdowns. That goal unquestionably saves lives in the short run, but it does not solve the longer-term problem of how to ease up on the restrictions. (Which is eventually necessary to avoid severe, long term damage to economies and the quality of life for people.) Easing restrictions inevitably causes a rise in new infections. In Sweden, the healthcare experts calculated that over the long haul, i.e., by the time all restrictions have been lifted, the total number of infections will remain the same, regardless of whether a hard lockdown is put in place initially and then gradually eased, or whether a more steady, moderate approach is taken, having less detrimental effects on the economy and the quality of life.

116066 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, -1, #487 of 850 🔗

Realistically, in the absence of a vaccine, the pandemic will not be over until “herd immunity” is achieved. Without restrictions, that might correspond to up to 70% of the population having been infected and having thus acquired individual immunity. “Herd immunity” is achieved whenever an infectious individual infects less than one other person at an average (R0 < 1.0). The number of infections then naturally decreases until the last infected person either dies or survives with natural immunity.
Therefore, the percentage of the population that has to be individually immune is not a fixed number. If there are impediments to the spread of the virus, such as “social distance,” face masks, and so on, a form of herd immunity is achieved with a much lower percentage of the population having individual immunity. With significant measures in place to minimize the spread of the virus, the pandemic can still be defeated. However, when those restrictions are removed, the population is again vulnerable, and the infection is likely to spread anew. Only the impediments to the spread allow herd immunity to be achieved at the low percentage of individual immunity.
Experts on epidemic diseases predict that there will probably be an increase in infection rate later in the fall when the “flu season” starts. (“The second wave.”) A second wave will cause more deaths and more strain on the healthcare system, especially since the addition of regular flu will aggravate the situation. The problem will be reduced if, by then, more people have already achieved individual immunity.
So far, Sweden has had a much higher percentage of its population infected than Denmark and Norway, where stronger measures were taken initially to clamp down on the spread of infections. The death toll was initially totally dominated by older people in retirement homes, with a lethality far in excess of the expected 1 – 2%. In terms of absolute numbers, the total Swedish death toll is still dominated by the number of older people who died in the first month of the pandemic in Sweden. That still looks comparatively bad for Sweden on the statistics of today, but not necessarily on the final tally when the restrictions on the spread of the virus have been removed. (Assuming that no large-scale vaccinations have taken place before then.)
What has recently put in doubt the wisdom of the Swedish approach has been new data suggesting that having survived an infection of coronavirus does not guarantee subsequent immunity and that such protection, in any case, might be of short duration. If that is true, the total number of infections over the “run time” of the pandemic is not independent of the severity of the initial lockdown response. Lives are saved – albeit at a steep economic cost – by an initial aggressive response, followed by a slow, measured reopening guided by the results of extensive testing.
A second factor is also important in this context. It is the possibility, or even probability, that a COVID-19 infection can cause permanent damage to the lungs, heart, and perhaps even the brain. If that is a common effect, the total number of infections must be minimized. That can only be achieved by keeping strong measures in place to limit the spread of the virus until mass vaccinations can be performed.
However, there are considerable uncertainties regarding the eventual vaccine. Not only if and when it will be available in vast quantities but also how safe and effective it might be. And, in America, what percentage of the population will refuse to be immunized? If immunity due to infection is not lasting, will protection due to the vaccine also be of limited duration? Infection and vaccination rely on the same bodily response for achieving immunity, namely the production of antibodies to kill the virus. If revaccination every so often turns out to be necessary, who will bear the cost of that? Will that be yet another factor that increases the economic hardship of poor people, and thus the unfair disadvantage they suffer in health-related issues?

116067 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #488 of 850 🔗

The present dramatic spread of the pandemic in the United States and elsewhere looks horrifying today, but the dark cloud might have a silver lining: If an infection does produce subsequent immunity, the ravages of the pandemic will be less disastrous in a likely second wave.
I attach a graph showing the reduction in death rate in Sweden since the first attack of the pandemic. Also one that shows the economic forecast for Europe this year. (No data available for Britain and Norway.) Note that in spite of its heavy dependence on export, Sweden is expected to have a contraction of less than 6%, much less than southern Europe where they had a lockdown response to the epidemic.

116093 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #489 of 850 🔗

Thank you for interesting post.

116101 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #490 of 850 🔗

From my reading of research papers I understand antibody tests do not give a full picture of who has been infected and recovered so has some immunity.

116108 ▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #491 of 850 🔗

Much less contraction AND much less government spending to keep the contraction smaller than otherwise.

Looking at Covid deaths and/or Covid prevented/deferred deaths only is far too shortsighted.

In contrast to the 10s of thousands of additional cancer, cardio, suicide&co deaths, domestic abuses and mental health victims which all lockdown countries are experiencing, Sweden has, comparatively speaking, none of that.

In addition, it has and shares no responsibility at all for any of the tens of millions of people which our lockdowns will eventually have killed in the 3rd world.
Not that Liberals, Wokes or mainstream ‘scientists’ would care about that.

And: In contrast to all other countries, young Swedes haven’t been robbed of their future, and Swedes in general have kept their civil rights, freedom, society, democracy and dignity intact.

So, give me Sweden’s response over anyone else’s at anytime, and, hopefully, that will be the future response to such situations everywhere- again, as it has always been the one before the novel 2020 experiment was, disastrously, tried out by all others.

116098 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #492 of 850 🔗

I’m not convinced that the herd immunity theory is correct. It suggests that for the UK you’d have over 20 million people mixing with each other and with the rest of the population but those 20 million would have some magical immunity conferred upon them. How? Why?

If one or two cases can set off the wildfire spread of the infection initially why doesn’t the same happen with these 20 plus million people?

Isn’t it much more plausible that the 20 million don’t get “infected” because their bodies have been exposed to the virus but have seen it off at the first line of defence? And isn’t the declining rate of infection a function of the result of the virus running out of victims? It seems to me putting the cart before the horse to say the declining R rate is “causing” the phenomenon misleadingly described as herd immunity. Herd immunity may be a valid concept for far less infectious diseases but for this fast spreading coronavirus? I don’t think so.

116107 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, 3, #493 of 850 🔗

Turn the question round. What evidence is there of susceptibility and exceptional spread of this virus that never – even at its worst – produced an ‘epidemic’ as officially defined? (See CEBM articles on this).

The narrative of the exceptionality of this virus is too easily accepted as a given, when the facts, in terms of mortality, simply don’t support the notion any more than the general subjective impressions of most people asked to name victims.

116194 ▶▶▶▶ jrsm, replying to OKUK, 1, #494 of 850 🔗

As I understand it, when you get to herd immunity it’s not that the remaining susceptible people won’t get infected – it’s just that each infected person will infect, on average, less than one other person, because many people are already immune – and so the epidemic is brought under control. Of course, if there is some background immunity in the population then herd immunity will be achieved faster.

116226 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to OKUK, 1, #495 of 850 🔗

Agree. The missing part is healthy immune systems

116182 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #496 of 850 🔗

No references, no credibility, no interest.

116626 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #497 of 850 🔗

How will anyone know 100% when herd immunity has been achieved?

116096 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #498 of 850 🔗

Current hospital data from Sweden is very encouraging – about 35 people discharged from hospital in just the last week.

Only the largest 4 regions have numbers hospitalised in double figures (Gothenburg area 34, Stockholm 28, Uppsala 12 and Malmö area 11). After that the figures drop to 6 at the highest (and only 2 regions have that many).

In the whole country there are only 15 people in intensive care and a combined total of 9 of those are either in Gothenburg or Stockholm, so most regions have no one in hospital with Covid who is that seriously ill.

Three out of the 21 regions have NO hospitalised Covid patients at all, and a further 3 regions have only ONE patient in hospital..

116109 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Carrie, 2, #499 of 850 🔗

Comparison of contiguous areas of Denmark and Sweden do not support the notion that Sweden has fared comparatively badly in terms of mortality.

116118 ▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to RickH, #500 of 850 🔗

Agree. But immunity should also be lower in the Malmö area than in the Stockholm one then.
The fact that there are currently no significant case increases in Malmö, nor in Copenhagen or in Stockholm, despite the people in all 3 areas travelling just as much to Central Europe as each other and as Germans&co, if not more, suggests that other dynamics seem even more relevant.
The one thing these 3 rather obviously have in common is:
No (only the viral load and as such infectiousness increasing)
Masks!

116168 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jay Berger, #501 of 850 🔗

A point that may be of relevance is that the average age of residents of Skåne (region around Malmö) is much younger than other areas of the country. There is also a high immigrant population in Malmö.

Population of Skåne is around 1.3 million, compared to Västra Götaland (Gothenburg region) which has 1.71 million residents. There have been significantly more cases in Västra Götaland compared to Skåne, even taking the population size difference into account.

116112 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Carrie, #502 of 850 🔗

No masks, no thereby viral load increase induced new cases problems…

116128 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #503 of 850 🔗

Thanks for an interesting comment. However, there is one thing which is omitted in the discussion which explains the Swedish exception. The constitution does not allow emergency declaration in peace time. The constitution does not allow ministerial interference in the Public Health Body if it executes its legal remits, and the Public Health Act does allow for quarantine of sick people and quarantine of buildings etc but never lockdown of cities etc. The Public Health Body had the freedom to act within its remit and they just followed evidence-based practice in handling the pandemic just as was outlined in ECDC documents and WHO’s October 2019 documents. There is no specific Swedish way, this is a myth. They were just following guidelines all nations adhered to (incl.UK) until the beginning of 2020.

116064 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #504 of 850 🔗

Realistically

116078 Nobody2020, 14, #505 of 850 🔗

There’s a petition to stop the disruption to cancer care:

Stop unnecessary cancer deaths caused by the COVID disruptions and save thousands of lives
https://bit.ly/2F4eCwK

It really is beyond belief that a petition should be needed in the first place. Cancer is only one of a myriad of conditions that people have not been getting treatment for.

If it was necessary to protect other people then essentially these people have been sacrificed for that cause. If the idea is that it was for their own protection then they should have been given the choice.

I don’t really see any middle ground on this issue.

116106 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 15, #506 of 850 🔗

Just listening to any answers on BBC 4 and the first person on has just said that she thinks that the restrictions are not severe enough and the “authorities” should clamp down even more !!!
I TRULY DISPAIR!!!!!

116122 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #507 of 850 🔗

I have gritted my teeth and listened to a bit of this as well and unusually there were a couple of somewhat sceptic voices allowed on air Not too dramatic but quite a change for the BBC.

116149 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #508 of 850 🔗

Yes I noticed that too.
Perhaps the worm is starting to turn.

116164 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #509 of 850 🔗

Threat from the government to decriminalise non-payment of the TV licence causing a slight change in balance of reporting?

116216 ▶▶ Drummerman, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #510 of 850 🔗

I admire your resolve and resilience in listening to the BBC. To protect my state if mind I had to stop.

116110 Fingerache Philip., #511 of 850 🔗

BBC Radio 4 that is.

116111 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 7, #512 of 850 🔗

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/sep/05/students-returning-at-christmas-could-seed-new-coronavirus-outbreaks-scientists-warn -but as all lectures are online, all student bars shut, noone allowed to stay over etc, how can anyone get the virus? And even if they get it in October how come they are still infecting people on December?

116120 ▶▶ RickH, replying to arfurmo, 10, #513 of 850 🔗

The opportunities to spread fear and despondency are reaching massive levels of absurdity as each previous scenario falls flat on its face.

116269 ▶▶ Will, replying to arfurmo, 5, #514 of 850 🔗

Covering all bases to maintain the fear. When there was no spike from Bournemouth, Durdle door, BLM etc, etc etc it was because it was coming in the autumn. When there is no spike when schools go back it will be universities, when there is no spike from them it will be a spike at Christmas, then it will be a spike in March…… and repeat.

116116 Richard, replying to Richard, 37, #515 of 850 🔗

Afternoon – well it finally happened today after not wearing a mask at all since this started I was wandering round the garden centre picking up bbq supplies when I was set upon by a couple in their late sixties early seventies (am mid forties myself) – they were in a highly emotional state shouting that I should be wearing a mask and should be ashamed of myself. Said clammy I have an exemption – they said rubbish they are only very narrow – so I asked how did they know there was nothing wrong with me ! Anyway said very calmly to to them I would be nice to them but they need to seriously wind their necks in and have no rights to question whether or not someone was wearing a mask or not. Now I’m pretty robust but their in built level of viteral anger was pretty shocking and showed how on edge people are. For a less robust person I think it would have been enough to send them away quite rattled. Anyway have more positive news following a trip to Cornwall later but for now keep your heads and faces bare !!

116119 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard, 16, #516 of 850 🔗

Makes you realize that those fake ‘Nigerians’ offering you untold riches etc. have a really big market to con.

116123 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Richard, 22, #517 of 850 🔗

Lets be straight here the UK Government and it’s brainwashing mantras’ have psychologically damaged millions of people. This is psychological torture on behalf of HMG and claims could make human rights lawyers very rich. Cue Cherie Blair?

116125 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Richard, 16, #518 of 850 🔗

Just back from visitng my mum and she mentioned a guy from this part of the world was fined £1,000 for breaking quarantine after a holiday to Deathland. She said it was a neighbour who had altered the authorities.

Trying to explain to her that neighbours phoning in on neighbours to report that they had simply left their home is next level police state. Its banging your head against a brick wall.

Even showed a few friends this mornings articles on BBC etc discussing the efficacy of these tests, thinking that now they’ll take what I’ve been saying seriously.

Nope. They think we should all be wearing masks not just for coronavirus but colds and flu now too. And positive cases should result in lockdowns.

Brick wall after brick wall.

116139 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Richard, 17, #519 of 850 🔗

I feel so angry that the government has divided people in this way. Setting upon each other and how people feel free to just stick their nose in.

some good news for everyone is the photos of the Edinburgh anti lockdown protest, getting the message across that it is about the health restrictions rather than conspiracy.

Lets keep our chins up and keep pushing back. We are on the right side.

116305 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendy, 1, #520 of 850 🔗

Right on!

116280 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Richard, 1, #521 of 850 🔗

Depressingly in my local butchers, they were all masked up today. They have been happy, smiling maskless chappies throughout this whole debacle. So why now? I didn’t get a chance to ask them as they were pretty busy. Saving that one for a visit on a quieter day. On a positive note there was an older bloke unmuzzled. We exchanged smiles as we passed each other.

116304 ▶▶ annie, replying to Richard, 3, #522 of 850 🔗

Well done, Richard, for standing up to those disgusting little worms.

116386 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Richard, 4, #523 of 850 🔗

Nicely handled, I’d have told them to fuck right off

116462 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Richard, 3, #524 of 850 🔗

Well done for standing up to yourself. Its disgusting how this crisis has exposed a lot of people to be nasty, bullying and fake.

116661 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Richard, #525 of 850 🔗

That would unnerve me. Hopefully I would keep my cool enough to threaten to call the police for intimidation and harassment. Or shop management. I am not sure who who be more useful to threaten them with in that situation.

116127 hotrod, replying to hotrod, 5, #526 of 850 🔗

So how does this make any sense?

From Guardian Live

“Another two deaths have been reported with no positive Covid-19 test result.”

116156 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to hotrod, 1, #527 of 850 🔗

I wondered about that as well. Most days there’s a report along those lines. I can only assume it means that whoever issued the death certificate suspected bat flu and so mentioned on the cert, but this was not confirmed by a test.

116130 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 31, #528 of 850 🔗

Good afternoon Richard, let me assure you that not all 70 plus year olds are Covid collaborators.
I will be 72 in December and I have lived through the Polio scare and the Asian flu in the 50’s and the Hong Kong flu in the late 60’s and I think the present situation is an hysterical overreaction and the couple that you had the misfortune to encounter are pathetic to say the least.
Continue to refuse to wear face nappies and stay sceptical.

116134 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #529 of 850 🔗

Great! My fit 74 year old neighbour wears her ‘vulnerable’ label as a badge. Uggh

116148 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Fingerache Philip., 8, #530 of 850 🔗

Good to have your encouragement. I heard Greater Manchester Police a week or so ago telling people to not ring in an report on neighbours as it was blocking their lines and they were worried about missing a real emergency. I so wish the government would put an end to all this stupidity.

116153 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #531 of 850 🔗

Ditto. My observation is that – sadly – there is a bias towards younger people in the mask wearing stakes.

116167 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #532 of 850 🔗

I am 70 and will not capitulate to this crap, they can take their muzzles and stick them where the sun doesn’t shine…

116237 ▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to Fingerache Philip., 7, #533 of 850 🔗

I’m a couple of years older than you and agree totally about what you have said, I have three friends in their early 80s who would agree with you too.

116133 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 12, #534 of 850 🔗

How dare they censor Prof Sunetra Gupta. I love her. Also, posting her recent interview again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByZbGkPr2kI&t=3s

116151 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Caramel, 7, #535 of 850 🔗

Yes me too. She is one of few who really seem to care about what is happening to people along with Carl Heneghan, Michael Levitt.

116140 mjr, replying to mjr, 24, #536 of 850 🔗

i emailed Aldi last week about a product but also mentioned masks
Also, i think you should stop enforcing mask wearing on your staff. Other supermarkets do not do this and it is not government guidance . I have noticed several of the staff suffering from skin complaints and wearing a mask, all day, fiddling with it etc is potentially a bigger hazard than being mask free. “

Response
All colleagues have been provided with facemasks and are asked to wear these whilst working on the shop floor. If a colleague has a medical condition and they are unable to wear a facemask, they will be exempt from wearing a mask.
The Government has however confirmed that colleagues working behind Perspex screens are not required to wear a facemask due to the enhanced protection provided by a screen.”

I have emailed back
you are incorrect in your interpretation of government guidance. Shop workers do NOT have to wear masks.  I quote from https://www.gov.uk/guidance/working-safely-during-coronavirus-covid-19/shops-and-branches
“Employers should support their workers in using face coverings safely if they choose to wear one. It is not mandatory for shop or supermarket , indoor shopping centres, banks, building societies, post office workers, premises providing professional, legal or financial services and auction houses to wear face coverings although the government recommends that businesses consider their use where appropriate and where other mitigations are not in place.”
I know the staff that i speak to do not choose to wear one and are only wearing a mask because Aldi have instructed them to (or as you have indicated .. colleagues have been asked to wear them….. ) . is this under threat of disciplinary action? “

Let’s see what their response is to that

116154 ▶▶ wendy, replying to mjr, 3, #537 of 850 🔗

Well done, keep us updated

116162 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to mjr, 12, #538 of 850 🔗

Just been into an out-of-town M and S. Virtually all customers were masked apart from us but none of the staff, even those wandering around on the shop floor. The food hall was very busy with very little social distancing going on and staff leaning over customers to stack shelves.

In the main store I spotted four assistants standing close together chatting-not much else for them to do as there were few shoppers inside for a Saturday afternoon.

I just can’t understand why more people aren’t questioning the logic of these rules which force shoppers to wear masks but not assistants. I don’t want to see anyone in masks personally but am still waiting for more people to wake up and smell the coffee.

116500 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Margaret, #539 of 850 🔗

It’s one of the few logical reasons ever given by Wankock. He noted that shoppers are in and out, so only have to wear their masks for a short time. It’s unreasonable to expect the shopworkers to wear theirs all day.

116215 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to mjr, 6, #540 of 850 🔗

Why, oh why, do the people who are impacted by the law – more so than us – not bloody look at it? Takes 5 minutes. Yet again, they are making it up. As you point out, mjr, shop workers are simply exempt. It’s that easy!

116141 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 11, #541 of 850 🔗

The war on Hydroxychloroquine can be traced back to Gilead, the drug maker looking to profit big from Remdesivir
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-09-04-war-on-hydroxychloroquine-traced-to-gilead-remdesivir.html

116163 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 1, #542 of 850 🔗

Has to be

116229 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Victoria, 4, #543 of 850 🔗

And which 2 billionaires are heavy investors in Gilead?

Same 2 who teamed up with WuXi in China and who had a lab by Wuhan wet market that closed just after the beginning if the “pandemic”.

Any guesses as to names?

116272 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Awkward Git, #544 of 850 🔗

Bill Gates likeness stuck on an inflatable sex doll wearing a kilt was one sight I saw today. The other name that comes to my mind isn’t billionaire, at least I can’t imagine him being…

116144 RickH, 7, #545 of 850 🔗

Around Bristol this weekend. Motorway services – lots of pointless signage of course to encourage magical thinking. But a reasonable number not wearing masks and not giving a shit about arrows and queuing for the bogs.

Hotel : gestures to magical thinking (of course) – and a few masks (mostly younger) – but quite encouraging that lift was shared with another unmasked Old Fart who also obviously didn’t give a shit.

Out and about : v few masks – definitely a small minority of tremblers and shakers. But shops (of course) all demanding obeisance to the immortal and invisible Virus God.

Most difficult experience : finding that one close member of the family, whilst certainly not generally much convinced, is willing to use a token mask and finds it hard to accept that this virus never reached official ‘epidemic’ levels in the community, even at its apparent worst. Such is the power.

116147 Cecil B, 4, #546 of 850 🔗

In 5000bc it was first mooted that the earth might be round and not flat

It took 6,520 years for the idea to catch on

In thousands of years time they will still be talking about the great plague that nearly wiped out the human race in 2020

They will talk warmly about great hero’s like the dictator and handy cock

There will be statues of Piers Morgan and Nicola Sturgeon

If you want my advice (ok, but I’m gonna give it anyway) stop mooting, emigrate and enjoy what’s left of your miserable life

116155 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #547 of 850 🔗

Hi all

Are there any front end UX designers, developers and backend developers out there who want to help save the world?

Please get in touch at mail AT lockdowntruth.org

Thanks

116159 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Lockdown Truth, #548 of 850 🔗

‘backend developers’

Titter ye not

‘UX designers’ also sounds a bit kinky

Have you tried contacting Toby’s dating website?

116503 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cecil B, #549 of 850 🔗

Grow up!

116166 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 26, #550 of 850 🔗

Latest anecdote from Sturgeon land: I went to our library to collect my allocation of covid-free books-(who’d have thought that books could be so dangerous!)?

Brief panic ensued when, having been told that I could take an extra book from the returned items shelf, I picked one out and then put it back.

This apparently meant that it would have to be quarantined again!

The 2 assistants apologised for the silly rules but said they had no choice.

A discussion then followed about the crazy world we are now obliged to inhabit.

One assistant told me of her mother’s plight; her mother is diabetic and has a corn which is gradually breaking down.

She should have been seen for her regular NHS check in April, but needless to say, this was cancelled and despite several attempts by her daughter, nothing has been forthcoming.

NHS podiatry seems to have been suspended indefinitely, with the inevitable result that many diabetics are now at risk of developing foot ulcers ,sores and opportunistic infections.

Attempts to see the GP have been foiled by officious receptionists.

So here in the progressive land of the free, we have a growing backlog of desperate patients, deprived of access to podiatry, dentistry, screening tests, cancer treatment and psychiatric services, all thanks to the Chief Covid Controller and her control agenda.

116170 ▶▶ Ian Lambton, replying to wendyk, 12, #551 of 850 🔗

A neighbour who is diabetic has had two operations to amputate toes in the past four months. He is not in good health yet that doesn’t seem to matter to anyone in authority. Whatever the absurd over-reaction to the not terribly dangerous virus is about, it is not about saving lives.

116193 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Ian Lambton, 7, #552 of 850 🔗

Absolutely. The distress, morbidity and general deterioration in basic wellbeing are growing rapidly, yet our blinkered politicians just keep on keeping on.

It’s shameful, stupid and way past its sell by date.

116171 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to wendyk, 4, #553 of 850 🔗

See my post above. It’s not only Scotland where this is happening.

116172 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to wendyk, 9, #554 of 850 🔗

Diabetics need to be very careful to look after their feet. Sadly my nan had to have 2 legs amputated because of complications.

This country sadly is fucked, sorry the people running this country are fucking it.

116173 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to stefarm, 1, #555 of 850 🔗

Quite right; I saw many such sad cases when working in hospitals.

116197 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to wendyk, 2, #556 of 850 🔗

She ignored the signs and within 6 months had toes amputated, blood infection and then both amputated and that was over 20 years ago

116207 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to stefarm, #557 of 850 🔗

I saw similar cases many times

116169 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 31, #558 of 850 🔗

What the hell is going on in this country! Yesterday, six-month-old granddaughter was not so well – running a temperature, diarrhoea, and little or no sleep during the night. Mother rang for an appointment at the local medical centre (Stockton-on-Tees). “Sorry, we’re not doing face-to-face appointments. You can either ring 111 or someone [probably not a doctor] will get back to you in due course”. No one rang back. She got fed with waiting and decided to go to the hospital instead. They were seen quite quickly and everything was okay – maybe just teething, but worrying for the parents. There never was a return call from the surgery. Are we now a third-world country where general medical practice doesn’t exist? Seems like it!

116177 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Tenchy, 8, #559 of 850 🔗

A child of your grand daughter’s age with diarrhoea should have had a return telephone call almost immediately from a triage clinician or a GP. Unfortunately it depends on the person taking the call at the medical practice to make a decision on how to proceed. The practices that I interface with either book patients in to use for face to face or telephone consultation.
Certainly had her name appeared on my list I would have arranged a face to face assessment at our urgent care centre, although I’m a nurse practitioner I could have assessed her and reassured her parents, or if needs be advise attendance at paeds A&E.

116202 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to p02099003, 7, #560 of 850 🔗

It does beg the question, certainly here in Stockton, what are the medical professionals doing at the moment? Even before the Hysteria it was nigh on impossible to get a GP appointment – waiting list of several days for non-urgent stuff – but now it seems the service has all but disappeared.

116186 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Tenchy, 8, #561 of 850 🔗

It’s outrageous. Who do these people think they are? They’re supposed to medical people so you would think a/ they would provide care b/ they would understand that the virus is gone and c/ it wasn’t any worse than a terrible flu season.

116273 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Lockdown Truth, 2, #562 of 850 🔗

Actually a ‘ not so terrible’ ‘flu season.

116187 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tenchy, 6, #563 of 850 🔗

Its been on a slippery slope for some time. I lived in central London in the 1990s, and it was common practice that if in doubt, go straight to A&E. As I have moved progressively north and west, such an ‘optimal’ strategy seems to have followed!

116222 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Tenchy, 2, #564 of 850 🔗

Its why US scare stories about Socialised Medical Care will continue to succeed.
There are always examples of rancid incompetence to throw up.
Curious how there is a complete omerta in UK press now on how well the various continental medical systems are doing now as a contrast to OURNHS

116174 Samhurt, replying to Samhurt, 5, #565 of 850 🔗

Re: the recent protests – while much of the fringe matter is interesting to think about I fear that much of it may not be helping the sceptical cause. The spirit is in the right place but there has to be some discretion exercised. I know plenty of folks who would be with us if it weren’t for the future-shock talk. We have enough material to complain about – robocop helmets, drones, endless spying, medical tyranny – without making a fuss about cell radiation and DNA-altering vaccines and Koch’s postulates and whatever else. Again – the spirit is right, the free thinking is brilliant but the strategy on the ground is wrong. Icke is a rousing speaker but he’s wedded to a loony brand (I’m not sure lizard-people was meant as a metaphor) and Dolores (gods love her) is so strident she’s almost evangelical (I’m not ‘tone-policing,’ I like her a lot but she’s an easy target for professional bedwetters). We need more doctors like Scott Jensen and professors like John Iaonnidis on the stages, now; whoever is putting these protests together needs to make more of an effort in that regard. Many fringe figureheads have commercial incentives to hop this bandwagon and I’m not disparaging their need to feed themselves but this isn’t about selling bloody books or webinars – this is about unmasking our bodies and brains – this is about freedom, literacy and self-reliance for all. Once more: I am not unsympathetic or closed-off to the fringe, since much of what passes for crazy in the now is proven more-or-less truer-than-not tomorrow. Vaccines pose some curious scientific and legal issues and some of them appear to be mainly harmful (gardasil, anyone?); I myself was injured by a flu-jab. Mainstream medical science is corrupt probably beyond recovery, as the reproducibility crisis demonstrates (and as the funding trail makes plain). Psychiatry is in my opinion a weapon of the state. Cell radiation is bad for everyone (as anyone who lives near a cell tower can attest). Technocracy is a grave threat to western civilisation and people in positions of high authority are not all brainless overcredentialed lemmings; some of them have a vision and some of them work hard to see it fulfilled. Henry Kissinger is not a cartoon character (though we might wish he were). And the toxification of our planet by big industry is to my atheistical lights nothing short of an unpardonable sin, least of all for what it’s done to our animal cousins, who deserve better than to be put through the human grinder like they have (and before you ask, yes, I’m a meat-eater). Yes, there are horrible horrors afoot, big lies at play, centuries of scams evolving into worser scams, loads of stupefied busybodies happy to collaborate with the state and private megaindustry on the flimsiest of pretences to make life intolerable for you and me and the dog. Yes, the Covid Panic is a load of bollocks, as you English say. But most don’t see it that way, not quite, and if eyes are to be opened we ought to be able to separate our hobbyhorses from that which connects us all most elementally as secular freethinking westerners. More references to Westphalia and fewer to The Cabal couldn’t hurt, eh? Let’s think what we will but let’s fight smart too.

That said, Gates sure is a shitball, isn’t he! Not an evil genius but a shitball all the same.

Salutations and solidarity from bedwetter-occupied New England. Stay free, don’t let the bastards grind you down.

116176 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Samhurt, 1, #566 of 850 🔗

That’s what we’re trying to do with http://www.covid19assembly.org

Take a look and spread the word.

116224 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Samhurt, 3, #567 of 850 🔗

This is why was drawn yesterday to Malcolm Kendrick’s blog piece. If it can be shown that a stupid, documented error (mixing up CFR and IFR) resulted in Ferguson and Fauci’s x10 death rate, then all the other stuff is unnecessary embellishment. If we forget the motivations of the Chinese in bigging up Covid (we’ll never know why they did it), then Kendrick’s observation would be our ‘Ground Zero’. It wouldn’t be necessary to deviate into tinfoil hat territory because the whole disaster is explained by that error – and we would be able to hold people to account for it.

116184 hotrod, 9, #568 of 850 🔗

Anyone else smell a rat today regarding the Extinction Rebellion protests disrupting newspaper deliveries this morning.

On the day The Time starts questioning the narrative.

It’s as if someone doesn’t want an increasingly sceptical newspaper press getting to the masses as.

116188 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 27, #569 of 850 🔗

Adventures from my travels.

Went into Edinburgh today to do some shopping, first time since February. Bit depressing, I suppose people are trying to make the best of it but their hearts aren’t in it.

Went into a record shop to spend, won’t mention the name but it is on rose street. Chap on the door wearing awful black mask. I purposefully walked in

‘mumble mumble’ gesticulating wildly.

Me ‘no!’ walked onward to browse. Now I know what he was saying but as I didn’t follow the script his poor brain couldn’t compute so much so he looked longingly to whom I assumed to be a manger behind the till. More arm waving and give us a clue – film, 2 words begins with…

Now I was towards the rear of the shop to which I shouted ‘I’m exempt!’ bought a couple of bits my heart wasn’t in it, shop quiet for a Saturday afternoon.

Went to holyrood to the rally. Decent turnout (hundreds not thousands) with lots of people of all ages, background. Encouraging to see families as well.

IMO no real ‘conspiracyesque’ agenda.

Dr Malcolm Kendrick was excellent, get him on TV and it’s over.

Prof Richard Enno good but waffled a bit.

Left before Delores Cahill finished.

Everyone agreed it’s about freedom and freedom of speech.

I was maskless on the bus, good to see I’m not alone on the bus now. Plenty of maskless activity.

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, get rid of masks and back to normal overnight.

116223 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to stefarm, 5, #570 of 850 🔗

If you won’t mention the name of the record shop on Rose Street, I will: Fopp . I don’t think withholding names has any benefit to businesses or customers: a business has made its choices and (potential) customers can now make theirs.

Yeah, it’s nice to see the mask trend gradually shifting on buses etc.

116232 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Arkansas, 4, #571 of 850 🔗

Correct, fopp, have always spent my money in there. Just silly, about 6 people in the shop, also needed the loo and M&S opposite have shut their toilet at the rose st entrance/exit so had to navigate my way through the shop to the basement which took about 20 minutes.

116225 ▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, 5, #572 of 850 🔗

The bagpipes to begin were excellent. I came in from the cliff tops it was a real pleasure to stop embattled ascending tourists and explain what the pipes were and why the sound was drifting up to us.

First minister of scotland (nicola nae pals) tried to ban them, so they are playing outside parliament. Tooting in someones face is always good. Much latin/french/german fist pumping in soludarity. A beautiful memory for them to take away as much as myself.

Pretty sure I can report seeing Biker doing sterling work giving out free hugs to all women in the crowd!

The main speeches were long and the local group reps speeches still going when I left. Delores Cahill has offered to travel and witness for any employee forced to sign medical agreements to do with vaccines (for free). There is so much for people to say and it felt as though the crowd genuinely listened throughout and were grateful for the work the speakers are doing.

The organisers were brilliant, eventually responsive to turning the PA up to eleven. The size of the crowd was larger that expected. Very well done to them for putting it on. I can imagine numbers growing next time as it was a good occaision.

Numbers tickled 1,000 maybe.

Ridiculous Police helicopter buzzing on and off throughout. Police all in masks and purple sweat gloves throughout.

A very worthwhile event. There remains a war to be fought.

116234 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #573 of 850 🔗

Another interesting development from Delores Cahill was there’s a growing international network looking at the legal basis. Each country is slowly challenging the Government, Delores is suggesting these challenges are linking up because the same pattern of governance is present.

The German people’s inquiry is a central part of this for now. Cahill quoted the organisers of the Berlin rally as saying 60% (6×10) are awake. Huge cheer to that.

Perhaps, I wondered, because of the general German education in science and also history.

116235 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 2, #574 of 850 🔗

Agree, good to see and be amongst people and actually see people smiling and laughing. Wasn’t offered a hug though 🥺

116341 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, 2, #575 of 850 🔗

Generous offer by Dolores!

116389 ▶▶ Biker, replying to stefarm, #576 of 850 🔗

I remember Fopp when it was in Cockburn street. used to go over every monday and buy records. Avalanche too.

116473 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stefarm, #577 of 850 🔗

Yep, its Fopp – used to shop there quite a bit when I lived in Edinburgh.

116189 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 12, #578 of 850 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIkpWiUiayM

This is my daughter Kelly, she died tragically aged 31 due to bowel cancer. Her loss has been devastating to our family. Her life expectancy was drastically cut short after her chemotherapy stopped as a direct result of COVID. Across the UK, people have had their cancer treatments impacted – so I’ve started this petition calling for the Government to take urgent action, before it’s too late.

https://www.change.org/p/the-secretary-of-state-for-health-matt-hancock-stop-unnecessary-cancer-deaths-caused-by-the-covid-disruptions-and-save-thousands-of-lives?utm_content=cl_sharecopy_23389488_en-GB%3A3&recruiter=297839313&recruited_by_id=1e91a540-9f7e-0130-7d6c-3c764e04a19b&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_abi

116204 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #579 of 850 🔗

Signed and heartbreaking stories like these are typical of what I discuss with my lockdown supporting friends and acquaintances.

Regrettably, I haven’t yet succeeded in breaking down the fear barrier .

How many more young lives must be wasted before this nonsense is ended?

It’s shameful.

116213 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #580 of 850 🔗

Word almost fail me to describe this sort of thing, “Outrage” is the best I can come up with.

116292 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #581 of 850 🔗

1 Covid death is currently worth 10x more than any other death morally to the zero-virus zealots.
1 prevented Covid death is worth more than 100 of those to them.
Financially, it’s just as worse:
AEIR has calculated each prevented, aka deferred by a few months, death to have cost us $7 million, and each actual Covid death to have cost us $250 million, sofar.
Now think about how much chemotherapy, bypasses, stents, hips, screening we could afford in the future, if we had reacted sensibly
instead.
Crazy.
And unethical.

116307 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #582 of 850 🔗

Kelly was murdered Cold-heartedly, deliberately killed.
There are no words for such evil.

116200 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, #583 of 850 🔗

Hey. I thought you got cancelled for saying this! Front page heading…

https://www.gatesfoundation.org/

116208 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Lockdown Truth, 3, #584 of 850 🔗

It all depends on who says it. It’s like “nigger”. Black people can say it without fear of sanction. If a white person says it he’ll probably lose his job at least [I’m talking about just using the word here, not directing it an an individual].

116337 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Lockdown Truth, #585 of 850 🔗

If you are a billionaire moving in the ‘right’ circles you don’t get cancelled…

116201 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #586 of 850 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keqd0i79bOs

David Kurten discusses the Keep Britain Free anti-face-mask protest in London, and discusses reasons why compulsory face masks are wrong.

116209 Bella, replying to Bella, 3, #587 of 850 🔗

I can’t make this out, is this genuine or is it a hoax? If it is the latter it’s pretty impressive if you click on the link with it which backs it up. Someone who has more background in trade and finance could interpret it better than me. The guy has nothing else on his Facebook page but one other post/video. If it isn’t a hoax it’s pretty damn devastating, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it gets taken down. Only posted on my feed forty minutes ago. Sorry if anyone else has asked this question. https://www.facebook.com/si.farrell.50/videos/167327294969043

116221 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Bella, 2, #588 of 850 🔗

Simon Dolan has it on his twitter too? I don’t understand it?

116287 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Bella, 1, #589 of 850 🔗

The page he is referring to is here:

https://wits.worldbank.org/trade/comtrade/en/country/ALL/year/2018/tradeflow/Exports/partner/WLD/nomen/h5/product/902780

It shows exports and imports of COVID-19 diagnostic test kits between the countries of the world in 2018, i.e, before COVID existed. If you go to the page, you can examine the entire list and download a copy in Excel, which I have done. If you find it interesting, it would probably be a good idea to download a copy in case it does disappear.

This is bizarre. The page looks authentic and I feel fairly sure that this really is the World Bank website. I would like an explanation.

116318 ▶▶▶ Norma McNormalface, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #590 of 850 🔗

Or, as others have been suggesting, maybe they renamed a category retroactively. But there is a category that is just named “Covid 19 tests” showing transactions done in 2017/18/19. In which case, it’s now not a very accurate database, or ….

116584 ▶▶▶ nowhereman, replying to ConstantBees, #591 of 850 🔗

As I mentioned before in reply to Steve:

I expect the name is coincidental. The page states “Colorimetric end tidal CO2 detector” and there is a brand “Covidien Nellcor™ Adult/Pediatric Colorimetric CO2 Detector …” so I’m guessing it relates to one of their products.

116299 ▶▶ Norma McNormalface, replying to Bella, 1, #592 of 850 🔗

I went to the site and changed the date parameters. The Covid-19 exports also show up for 2017 and 2019. Looking forward to a perfectly reasonable explanation. (Like it’s an “open access” site and someone has just uploaded this erroneously or to mislead?)

116409 ▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Norma McNormalface, #593 of 850 🔗

They do but the numbers are different for each year

116210 Drummerman, replying to Drummerman, 9, #594 of 850 🔗

About the KBF protest in Lewes and the representation of a wide range of views about this situation, some of which seem a little ‘out there’ … I was at last weekend’s demo in Trafalgar Square and the thing I took away was that whilst some of the views and slogans were, shall we say, ‘diverse’, the crowd were united behind a handful of very important principles, i.e. the government have acted with gross incompetence; the lockdown is ruinous; and the apparent desire to – literally – muzzle the population is sinister and unwanted (and unwarranted). The stuff about Gates and 5G was there, but it wasn’t the main focus.

116218 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Drummerman, 3, #595 of 850 🔗

Great post!
The only way to oppose the lockdown and economic suicide is to stand together for those overlapping principles. Small separate groups won’t get far enough

116245 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Drummerman, 2, #596 of 850 🔗

Interesting, because this BBC report from their Disinformation unit suggests otherwise, without giving details of who said what, or allowing us to decide for ourselves (was told by them that the ideas aired were “erroneous” and should not be given a platform, and did not merit debate or airing. Michael Wendling. Doncha just love freedom of speech and impartiality from our public service broadcaster – not following an agenda, of course

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-53997203

It does show that ANY tiny hint of conspiracy theory or association with any figure or organisation considered fringe or right wing will be ruthlessly seized upon by our enemies and used against the cause. They will fight dirty.

116212 John Ballard, replying to John Ballard, 14, #597 of 850 🔗

Just been into my local town. Shopping .well the Mrs goes in and I stay outside and she does the minimum as anti masks like me.
I stand and laugh to myself at the 20 to 30 year olds wondering around masked up when not in a shop. Just crazy but the new crazy normal.
Then I went to a bar and it was like sanity had returned. Apart from ordering via an app, the staff were mask free, the customers were and it was normal.
So…… for shops making people queue and mask up while presumably pushing themselves into liquidation, good luck!
At least for some normality….. you just go to a bar and pretend this nightmare isn’t happening.
I cannot feel sorry for the big chain stores as their owners seem happy with the government rules. Come Xmas when they have 20 percent footfall as everyone else fed up with queuing and buying online, maybe they will realise they should have kicked back at the governments stupid rules
Money spent in bar 38 quid, money spent in shops, about a tenner. When shops stop the masks they will get my money again.

116256 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to John Ballard, 11, #598 of 850 🔗

I’m with you. I will not spend money on any experience that isn’t mostly normal. While I hate servers wearing masks, I have eaten on a patio and enjoyed the experience otherwise. But I won’t eat inside with the stupid mask to walk to the table or to the washroom but mask off at the table. Won’t participate in the theatre. Haven’t been inside a store of any kind since mandatory masks. My husband does all the food shopping and anything I need is ordered online. Mandatory mask = none of my money.

116449 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to John Ballard, 3, #599 of 850 🔗

Well said. Today we spent a total of £51 on coffee, pub lunch and delivery from Nando’s for dinner and £0 on shops as we are still boycotting the High Street.

As long as the insanity of antisocial distancing and masking remains, the shops ain’t getting our custom.

116214 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 3, #600 of 850 🔗

Check out the Czech Republic. Less deaths than any other European country. Don’t know all details but interesting just the same.

One by one, that’s how the War of Independence started:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War

116244 ▶▶ Julian, replying to richard riewer, 2, #601 of 850 🔗

Friend of mine just got back from there – sounded like paradise – normal life resumed

116219 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #602 of 850 🔗

Come and join us.
https://www.keepbritainfree.com/
Many thanks to Simon Dolan and James Delingpole.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHnorjnsIrU

116220 Edna, 2, #603 of 850 🔗

In case anyone is interested, just saw this on Twitter. Telegraph content from this weekend’s papers free online.

https://twitter.com/AllisterHeath/status/1302256287481319432

116236 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 13, #604 of 850 🔗

Boom – HOT STUFF! A top French Professor of Medicine Exposes the Casedemic Hysteria 😉
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ulA8u05Z-Q

Ivor Cummins

No introduction necessary beyond the title – just out on mainstream media today! Professor of Medicine Jean-François Toussaint exposes the lunacy of the current #Casedemic hysteria. Wakey wakey guys – the Epidemic is long since over. But now we are dealing with the rights-destroying

116238 richard riewer, #605 of 850 🔗
116243 LGDTLK, replying to LGDTLK, 9, #606 of 850 🔗

Is anyone here in or around North Norfolk – specifically Sheringham or Cromer? We had booked – long before this madness – our autumn UK break later this month. An airbnb in Sheringham. We were really looking forward to it. My wife had spent a good few hours on Tripadvisor and other sites scoping out places to eat in the evenings and a couple of days ago we started to phone the ones we had selected to book in advance. Every single one we approached seem to have in place policies for muzzling – involving wearing them until you get to your designated table and whenever you get up to move around. As an affirmed sceptic and anti-muzzler this was beyond acceptable for me so we declined to book. We then went down our list to our second choices and found exactly the same. As I refuse to compromise on this we have now cancelled our airbnb and my OH is now in a miserable sulk. However I just cannot get past this. I will not and cannot wear one and even being around them takes a monumental effort. The though of seeing fellow diners masked up as well as the staff is a line I cannot cross.

We have been eating out regularly in our own local area (Sutton Coldfield, Lichfield and Brum). This is certainly not a policy here and we have been in establishments large and small, independent and nationally-owned. It occurs to me that this is probably some sort of gold-plating exercise by businesses in this area urged on by BID and local authority covzealots.

I wondered if anyone from that area could shed any light on this?

116252 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to LGDTLK, 3, #607 of 850 🔗

To be fair – how could the people spoken to on the phone know that you weren’t a snitch from the council?

116266 ▶▶▶ LGDTLK, replying to bluemoon, #608 of 850 🔗

True enough I suppose – but every one we spoke to pointed this out without prompting. Something we’ve not come across before.

116279 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to LGDTLK, #609 of 850 🔗

Absolutely bonkers. Not even as if Norfolk was a hotspot .

116246 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 20, #610 of 850 🔗

Was in Ludlow today, wife wanted a big adventure to South Shropshire to get away from the house.

Saw on a couple of outside market stalls the sign “no mask, not service” so pointed these out to the wife and said out load “with a sign like that they’ll go bankrupt when someone disabled puts in a complaint” while walking past. Got some dirty and strange looks.

Think I’ll write to the town council and point out that they and the stall holders renting from them are risking a big court case, stir some shit.

Disheartening to see a small but noticeable minority wearing masks in the streets and outside shopping area (market). Do these wankers know what “enclosed” means?

One family of covidiots came to where we were having lunch – masks in street, put on masks to enter the bar, got to the table, took off the masks to eat, put them on to go to the toilet and leave. Surreal. Don’t they know the virus is that intelligent it knows they: 1 – were in a pub and 2 – they were eating in so therefore doubly safe and cannot be infected so no masks required?

Went to try one place for lunch, wanted contacts details, refused, they said it “was law”, I said “did they want to see the NHS website that states “voluntary” and do they know what it means”? They said “no details no service” so we said “goodbye, enjoy trying to enforce something that is not law” and left as the locals sitting having a beer started talking between themselves and getting glared at by the boss – ha ha. Wife is getting good at this rebellious lark.

Found another place, ice said “I’m hungry so lie if they want details” (you won’t like her if she gets hungry, worse than the change by the Incredible Hulk) and we were only asked 2 questions: had we booked? (no we hadn’t but not problem) and did we want to sit inside or outside? Contact details paper on the table but never mentioned, half staff in masks, half in nothing.

The young guy who seated us got embarrassed as I ignored him as he was on my deaf side and slightly behind me so honestly I did not know he was there and he was talking to the wife. He wanted my order then and when she explained I was deaf, he needed to take off his mask and shout at me but even better use my “good ear” the other side he whipped off his mask, went bright pink, couldn’t apologise enough and his mask was whipped off everytime he the passed the table just in case we needed him for anything.

Older couple of sceptics at next table we had a few words with and neither of us could figure out why it was not safe to sit at the bar and have a drink but it was fine to go there and stand around paying and to be real sceptics we used cash.

So a hit and miss day.

One thing came to mind while people watching though was this – for months these people have swallowed hook, line and sinker everything government has told them about coronavirus. If tomorrow the same government turned round and said “looking at the numbers, deaths, facts that are now available everything is good, no more virus, no more restrictions, go back to normal” they would say it’s a lie, they wouldn’t swallow that.

I think that what it will need is for Boris the buffoon, Hanwank, Whitty and Vallance to go, someone new who is not compromised say “the last lot lied, I’m in charge now, everything is fine” before those who have believed go back to normal.

116251 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #611 of 850 🔗

‘someone not compromised’ – exactly.

116257 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to bluemoon, 2, #612 of 850 🔗

That’ll be s rare find!

116262 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to RickH, #613 of 850 🔗

What about you?!

116255 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #614 of 850 🔗

I am afraid I agree with you on your last paragraph, it will take time for people to take off their masks again. Although I see a lot of people ignoring keeping space, even unmasked.

116260 ▶▶ Philip F, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #615 of 850 🔗

Just wanted to say, AG, that you inpsired me about 3 weeks ago to man-up and go mask free – I was semi-complying prior to that.
I notice a distinct class distinction when it comes to masks in supermarkets. Yesterday local M&S food hall was 100% compliant apart from me, but Morrissons had many naked faces. I’ve noted this before. Maybe the “lower orders” will save us.

116572 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Philip F, #616 of 850 🔗

Agree especially with your last sentence. Most of the non-masked I see are young men who look a bit rough. As for those young men who do wear masks, they favour the black cloth variety probably because they’re pretending to be gangsters.

116291 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #617 of 850 🔗

You really don’t want to be wearing a mask in the toilet. Your own skin and mouth (closed) normally bats off the miasmia in a toilet. But having an attractor stuck to your face.

Haysus

116313 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #618 of 850 🔗

All town centres have turned evil. If I have to go into town I wait until after the shops shut and avoid any area where I might meet masked-up zombies. If I really have to go to a shop I will take a route that i know will have the minimum chance of encountering masked up zombies.

Ordinary life is just so intolerable now we are off again to sit in a field for another week to minimise the possibility of meeting anybody.

The world has turned evil.

116355 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #619 of 850 🔗

I don’t think they would believe the government. I join different groups on social media to understand where generally those I don’t agree with stand. It’s surprising.

One group who believe schools are death traps are posting all sorts of fear based articles showing schools sending kids home as they have a cough, constantly gripe about lack of social distancing and forever remind themselves that this is about every life. Never seeing the irony in that the measures they want are killing relationships and ending lives.

Here’s the kicker. While we believe the rules are totally over extended and blame the power grab by government, they see the government as being more concerned with the economy and getting people back at work. Either way both groups, as far as I can see, agree on the following:

1. Government doesn’t give a damm about their views
2. BBC are ideological mouthpieces for the government.
3. There is an agenda to cover up the reality of the virus (they say thousands more have died and we are not being told. The 5,000 reduction in deaths was manipulation of the numbers to them)

This will take years for people to get over I’m afraid.

116567 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #620 of 850 🔗

These groups are much more crazy conspiracy theorists than we are.

116563 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Awkward Git, #621 of 850 🔗

Good to see you’re living up to your Awkward designation!

116247 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #622 of 850 🔗

Our Poor Kids – Screaming Contradictions – What’s The Point???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvmLiF4MMfc&list=WL&index=32&t=0s

116330 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #623 of 850 🔗

Great little film!

116248 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #624 of 850 🔗

Just spotted this on the fb Save Our Rightw UK group:

So I have just had an email from my course lead at university wanting to meet virtually about my social media? First of all my social media is private so it must be one of the other students I’m friends with on my course who have said something. I am studying to be a child nurse. He said I can bring a representative with me to the meeting? I am quite shocked and sad and it must be my post about the COVID vaccination but I don’t say vaccinations don’t work I just say do your own research on the side effects. And when I am a nurse I will say the same thing to parents. comment image I feel like there are other nurses with similar views to me but it’s a conspiracy theory to silence us or something so most wouldn’t be able to speak up in fear of losing their jobs. I’m seriously considering if maybe it isn’t right for me. Medicine has a place and it can save lives. If a child is ill I want to give them medicine and nurse them better. But I just have done a lot of research about vaccinations and I also think it’s a control thing and the pharmaceutical companies

116254 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #625 of 850 🔗

Maybe email Toby – see if he is in a position to help with the representative?

116333 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, #626 of 850 🔗

I’d have legal representation with you at that meeting!

116249 RickH, replying to RickH, 18, #627 of 850 🔗

One thing that concerns me about some ‘sceptical’ comments here : too many tend to accept that, whatever else, this virus was something special and unprecedented.

Here is the news : It isn’t/wasn’t.

116264 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to RickH, 18, #628 of 850 🔗

The only thing that’s special and unprecedented about this virus was the response of governments all over the world.

116282 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #629 of 850 🔗

A German sociology professor remarked just that on TV shortly after the lockdown was announced.

For him, it was a unique and fascinating first-time ever human experiment.
Since then, he hasn’t been invited back on TV.

116302 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #630 of 850 🔗

The U” spy plane flew over Europe and the UK on the 2nd night of the full lockdown. I am sure they were imaging Europe to monitor the progress of the lockdown. I watched it on http://www.adsbexchange.com/

116250 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #631 of 850 🔗

For clarity

Long term effects of covid 19

‘The number of people affected by COVID-19 is unprecedented. We owe good answers on the long-term consequences of the disease to our patients and health-care providers. The obvious answer is in research.’

‘Wynants and colleagues described 47 models for predicting COVID-19 infection and 16 prognostic models for COVID-19 patients. Most of these models had a high risk of bias and most of them did not have external validation. Additionally, randomised controlled trials on interventions to treat the acute disease were stopped before enlisting the planned sample size. Although much effort was invested in these studies, we have learned little.’

Lancet 01 Sept 2020

Strange that so little should have been learned after so many infections and so many studies?

PCR test utility

‘These studies provided limited data of variable quality that PCR results per se are unlikely to predict viral culture from human samples. Insufficient attention may have been paid how PCR results relate to disease. The relation with infectiousness is unclear and more data are needed on this.’

‘The results indicate that viral RNA load cut-offs should be used: to understand who is infectious, the extent of any outbreak and for controlling transmission.’

CEBM 05 August 2020

Or not really?

Covid 19 as cause of death WHO guidelines

‘A death due to COVID-19 is defined for surveillance purposes as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case.’

‘A death due to COVID-19 may not be attributed to another disease (e.g. cancer) and should be counted independently of preexisting conditions’

Upticks in infections, ‘Long covid’, massive global mortality…or just a load of old bullshit……?

116258 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #632 of 850 🔗

Do they have to worldwide medical consensus to make Long Covid as a thing ‘stick’?

116253 Marie R, replying to Marie R, 7, #633 of 850 🔗

The telegraph have removed its paywall till Monday if anyone wants to read their sceptical output. XR protests stopped distribution

116263 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Marie R, 3, #634 of 850 🔗

Coming at this from the perspective that extinction rebellion is not grass roots. Was the extinction blockade a method of pushing uptake of online news? Obviously online readers can be better surveilled and data derived, ad targeted, etc. Only suggesting as possibility. There’s nothing to trust about extinction as far as I can see.

Thanks for the tip. I might read a few things now.

116597 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, 1, #635 of 850 🔗

Piers Corbyn £10000 fine.Extinction Rebellion given 2 weeks to cause chaos all over London.

116265 dpj, replying to dpj, 4, #636 of 850 🔗

Finally another celebrity wakes up https://mobile.twitter.com/ianbrown/status/1302252429191401473
As expected the replies are not positive and he’s now trending on twitter

116290 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to dpj, #637 of 850 🔗

I love how his now former fans, pay lip service to the idea of the Manchester scene, drugs and all that, and at the same time want social distancing, lockdowns, face masks and rigid conformity to carry on indefinitely. Can they not see the contradiction? They are pathetic.

Just as I never wanted to drive a Rolls Royce into a swimming pool or overdose on heroin or whatever, I could admire those who did, simply for their commitment to hedonism. The fans should be celebrating his stance even if they’re not brave enough to commit to it themselves.

116369 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #638 of 850 🔗

It’s not a contradiction. It’s the same thing… Peer pressure… my teenage daughter is caught up in all that “cool” stuff and it’s 100% due to peer pressure…!!!

So is this lockdown BS!

116375 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, #639 of 850 🔗

Maybe a core group of people do it because they genuinely want to. The rest do it to fit in.

116514 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lockdown Truth, #640 of 850 🔗

Yes. Powerfully harnessed by the nudge unit.

116294 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to dpj, 3, #641 of 850 🔗

I’ve just put some Stone Roses on… sounds better than ever!

116301 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Lockdown Truth, #642 of 850 🔗

At last! A musical hero doesn’t disappoint. LG almost got on board but faltered

116328 ▶▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to Tom Blackburn, #643 of 850 🔗

Haven’t listened to his new album yet but I’m definitely thinking of buying it now after reading this. Despite only discovering the Stone Roses in 2011(!!) I love their music (and Ian Brown’s solo work).

116382 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Drawde927, #644 of 850 🔗

Too many disappointments from eg. Jello Biafra, Tom Morello, John Lyndon. I’m pleased King Monkey has spoken up though reading old tweets, he appears to have always been onside but not very vocal. Someone like Ian unleashed would be dynamite as he will not quit.

116350 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #645 of 850 🔗

Love spreads….

116309 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to dpj, 4, #646 of 850 🔗

Good man Ian. I have tickets to see him burning a Covid shaped hole in my pocket. Was supposed to be in March, cancelled till November, now that’s been moved to May 2021.

Long live the monkey man

116601 ▶▶ Biker, replying to dpj, 1, #647 of 850 🔗

Top man, i always liked his song “i wanna be a door”. When i was a teenager i had a Jim Morrison haircut and thought i were great

116268 Jane, replying to Jane, 24, #648 of 850 🔗

Re “here was soon an unruly chorus articulating various conspiracy theories about vaccines, Bill Gates, Big Pharma and the new world order.”

I am scratching my head as to why the plans of Bill Gates, Big Pharma/WHO and the WEF are considered conspiracy theories, when all parties have been perfectly clear as to their aims. It may be that , tactically speaking, these issues should not be highlighted as KBF demos. I can see that. And I can see the need to stay on topic if the demo is to have the impact that its organizers want it to have.
So, if these other issues start to dominate and dilute the intended message, that is a question of management by the organizers.

HOWEVER, for attendees to label these issues conspiracy theories is ludicrous. It is far more likely that the conditions the protesters are protesting arise from a conspiracy of some kind, on some level, and very likely not on the “backroom” level, a la Black Hand, implied by the word “conspiracy.” (BTW, the Black Hand did exist and it did stage-manage the assassination of Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo in 1914, thus bringing on WW1.)

It has been clear for a long time that the phrase “conspiracy theory” has been weaponized as a label for any hypotheses about reality that those in charge want to sideline and bury.

It is quite upsetting to me personally when people who are sensible enough to question the wisdom of the lockdown and protest its ghastly effects don’t seem to be able to take the next step and ask the question: Why? Why is this happening? Is there something else going on behind the scenes? Are we being set up for something? It sure feels like it. What?

116289 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jane, 9, #649 of 850 🔗

It is quite upsetting to me personally when people who are sensible enough to question the wisdom of the lockdown and protest its ghastly effects don’t seem to be able to take the next step and ask the question: Why? Why is this happening? Is there something else going on behind the scenes? Are we being set up for something? It sure feels like it. What?

Great post. So true. We must always ask why

116293 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Jane, 4, #650 of 850 🔗

Climate change lobby want us controlled, we’re ruining the planet, don’t you know. As Mr Blair said, a vaccination cert. would be required to travel, work etc, it would control numbers, almost like the ID card he tried to push and got rejected.

116416 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #651 of 850 🔗

And yet the lack of flying over the last 6 months has had virtually no real effect on carbon emissions…

116595 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Carrie, #652 of 850 🔗

The total lack of traffic in London didn’t have much effect either.This is what the extinction rebellion lot want;total destruction of the economy for almost zero benefit.Thus shows the Climate change scam for what it is;a tool for control and extortionate taxation.

116548 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Dan Clarke, #653 of 850 🔗

Tony Blair. Another Mengele type. Gadzooks! Why do people listen to this monster and give any credence to his lunacies?

116557 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to richard riewer, #654 of 850 🔗

They follow him because he did er……such a fantastic job of sorting out the middle east.

116300 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Jane, 7, #655 of 850 🔗

The “Why?” is the issue that divides us and gives them an excuse to destroy our protests. If your house is on fire you don’t stand around with your family and neighbours asking why it’s on fire. First you put it out. Then later you ask why.

Protest first. Say ”Enough!”! Then when it’s over and we’ve won we’ll begin an inquiry and probably have a queue of patsies willing to whistleblow.

But we must win so we must focus on the facts and change minds without scaring people away with questions which aren’t necessary.

Anyway, you get the idea!

116327 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Lockdown Truth, #656 of 850 🔗

I think you make good sense.

Why is a real killer question to use in the fight however. Asking any authority why is usually uncomfortable for them. It is a skill to employ ‘why’ without being so confrontational as to cause a shut down of reply. In any given situation.

So I agree division is not good but using why in the right fashion can be useful.

116379 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Basics, 2, #657 of 850 🔗

The why isn’t important. Lockdown is a treatment that doesn’t work. That is enough.

116423 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tom Blackburn, #658 of 850 🔗

How do you plan on fighting back from your position of ‘it doesn’t work’?

116549 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basics, #659 of 850 🔗

In The Prisoner Number 6 asked The General Why? and it blew up.

116420 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Lockdown Truth, #660 of 850 🔗

In an earlier post you said it was never going to end? So which is it? No point in trying to put out the fire if you know it’s going to continue to burn whatever you do.

116429 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Bella, #661 of 850 🔗

??? It will continue to burn until we put it out!

116505 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #662 of 850 🔗

I agree entirely.
‘Why’ doesn’t matter at this stage.
Get back to the old normal. Stop the insanity.
Then you can hold as many investigative post-mortems as you like.

116303 ▶▶ John P, replying to Jane, -1, #663 of 850 🔗

Bill Gates’ stated aims are not to kill half the planet. That is the point.

I may not like him. I may consider that my health is none of his business. But he’s the richest man in the world and he think’s he’s doing the world a favour by promoting vaccines.

116308 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to John P, 4, #664 of 850 🔗

But as far back as 2014, catholic doctors in Kenya were reporting that Gates’ vaccines contained dangerous substances to reduce or destroy human fertility. And WHO has just warned that the polio vaccine is the actual cause of the current epidemic in Sudan (even the Graunaid reported this Sept 2nd)

116346 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #665 of 850 🔗

God almighty. I do not like Gates! I don’t want his vaccines.

BUT HE MEANS WELL.

I am sick of this discussion. I really am.

Gates is rich, but he does not run governments. Johnson makes the decisions for Britain. Focus your attention on him.

116360 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John P, #666 of 850 🔗

True but Gates provides access to post political retirement wealth for politicians.

116378 ▶▶▶▶▶ janis pennance, replying to John P, 1, #667 of 850 🔗

I’m sure even Gates himself thinks he means well . Not sure the result will be the intention

116421 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to janis pennance, 2, #668 of 850 🔗

His father was also on the board of Planned Parenthood..

116555 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to John P, #670 of 850 🔗

He doesn’t run governments yet but he’s working on it.

116596 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John P, #671 of 850 🔗

How do you know what he means and what his intentions are.He looks quite insane from the interviews I’ve seen but then that is just my opinion.
I agree the buck stops with Johnson.He is in charge and he is responsible for all of this.

116654 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to John P, #672 of 850 🔗

Does it matter what his intentions are? I am sure even the worst dictators think they are doing the right thing.

Men who lack conscience will even lie to to themselves (in the words of Lauryn Hill)

116418 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Londo Mollari, #673 of 850 🔗

Earlier than that.. I have a book quoting evidence of it from the early 1990s!

116552 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Londo Mollari, #674 of 850 🔗

I am sure that there are people working at the W.H.O. who are not happy about who is running the show. Maybe there’s a coup in the works? Tedros is a joke. And a dangerous one at that.

116357 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to John P, 2, #675 of 850 🔗

Like this one:

https://www.who.int/csr/don/01-september-2020-polio-sudan/en/

Gates is on record as saying that he wants to reduce the world’s population through vaccines.

116374 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to John P, #676 of 850 🔗

Mr 9mm is needed for this cunt

116600 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to John P, #678 of 850 🔗

have you considered the possibility he’s lying ?

116518 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jane, #679 of 850 🔗

Look at UK Column for some answers

116271 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #680 of 850 🔗

The Dangerous Truth About Black Lives Matter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwF5SM0Jndc

116274 Jane, replying to Jane, 1, #681 of 850 🔗

What happened to my post??

116298 ▶▶ John P, replying to Jane, 4, #682 of 850 🔗

Ask the Royal Mail.

116407 ▶▶ matt, replying to Jane, #683 of 850 🔗

It’s up there.

116281 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 10, #684 of 850 🔗

A brief note on more local silliness: today, on my way home, I spotted a very old woman waiting at a local zebra crossing all done up in a plastic space helmet.

To my cynical eye, this looked like a potentially serious accident waiting to happen: trying to see through the visor could all too easily compromise her spatial judgement and cause a loss of balance and fall.

And why o why are folk wearing these horrible things in the fresh air?

I can foresee fractures galore ,if this lunacy is still with us when the cold weather brings slippery roads and pavements.

116556 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to wendyk, 1, #685 of 850 🔗

I saw a whole bunch of masked muttons in Montreal today and some were driving motorized vehicles. A lot people were swerving away from me as well. Must have been a government announcement before the weekend.

116285 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #686 of 850 🔗

Face Mask Factory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nI7bsYwaLc

Maybe you might like to remind Covid Mask – fanatics where they are made

116296 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #687 of 850 🔗

Thanks for that. Obvious question is why it that being filmed. By asking it I don’t think it lessens the harsh reality that masks are coming out of such places.

116286 Cheezilla, 5, #688 of 850 🔗
116295 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 7, #689 of 850 🔗

Sorry if already shared but this is refreshing. Top sceptic action.

Denise Welch Accuses the Government of ‘Scaremongering’ over the Covid Pandemic | This Morning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFqpt9UuKCY

116342 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 2, #690 of 850 🔗

Brilliant! We worth watching the whole 13 minutes. She is excellent.

116427 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Tenchy, 3, #691 of 850 🔗

Indeed. I heard her on Dan Wootton’s show on talkRADIO the other day and she was fantastic. Also, Carol McGiffen speaking to Kevin O’Sullivan, I think, the week before, was also a powerful advocate for the need to get the country back to work.

Wasn’t going to listen to either of them because I’m not a ‘Loose Women’ fan but they were both incredibly impressive and very eloquent.

116297 Will, replying to Will, 23, #692 of 850 🔗

Very pleasant afternoon umpiring the junior house cricket at the school at which my wife works, and where we live. Lovely to see kids of mixed abilities from junior county players to swimmers co opted in for the day. A few precautions around sanitizer but, essentially just a load of teenagers having fun with the nonsense of covid a distant worry. Life is going on, thank God and one day all this hideousness will be gone.

116311 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Will, 4, #693 of 850 🔗

Junior football is the same. A lovely, relatively untouched sphere of recreation that the fun police haven’t got to.

116326 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #694 of 850 🔗

Junior rugby back up and running at our club but my son is taking a break while his sister is undergoing chemotherapy. Not because of the risk of covid, I would add, the specialists are worried about colds, sickness and diarrhoea etc etc and have advised us to cut down our contact as much as possible outside of their schooling.

116558 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Will, #695 of 850 🔗

The rugby scrum. No social distancing there.

116314 ▶▶ annie, replying to Will, 6, #696 of 850 🔗

Yes, it will. And every moment of normal, natiral life is another nail in its horrible coffin.

116321 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Will, 3, #697 of 850 🔗

One of Bojo’s mad pronouncements was a cricket ball being a vector for the virus. Who on erath came up with that one?

116324 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to arfurmo, 3, #698 of 850 🔗

One of the most ridiculous things I have heard in all of this dreadful stupidity, and Jebus does it have some competition!!!!!

116331 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to arfurmo, 9, #699 of 850 🔗

and if you get the viruses all to sit on one side of the ball you’ll get fantastic reverse swing

116546 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to arfurmo, #700 of 850 🔗

Maybe the staff member at Waterstones who wanted a minimum of 72 hours quarantine of any book a customer had touched on the shelf….

116306 Basics, 2, #701 of 850 🔗

Two more useless Australian specimens, wearing black and masks arresting a man for the crime of… talking to his neighbour. Particularly interesting is the loose wrist flapping hand gestures of prat cop 1, curious.

Paying even closer attention does prat cop one signal the arrest play to prat cop 2 with his hands out of sight, like volley ball or baseball.

https://twitter.com/YellowCube7/status/1302236675045613568?s=20

116315 Telpin, replying to Telpin, 19, #702 of 850 🔗

Is it just me or is there a deliberate push to ratchet up the fear – just listening to news and talk of a ‘critical Point in fight against co Vid’ . The reason – the rise in ‘ cases’ amongst young people and the risk these ‘infected’ people will spread the virus when they travel to universities. Why is the fear continuing to be propagated- no increase in hospitalisations or deaths. Now it’s the curse of young people – BBC news actually used the words: ‘ intent on enjoyment’. Jesus, were these people never young once?

116338 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Telpin, 4, #703 of 850 🔗

Maybe people are putting 2+2 together, deaths are almost nil. Need to keep us compliant

116353 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to stefarm, 1, #704 of 850 🔗

Probably because they think there will be a second wave. (I don’t, by the way).

116476 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to John P, 1, #705 of 850 🔗

Hope, not think.The second wave is the hoped-for salvation of these wicked liars.

116347 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Telpin, 4, #706 of 850 🔗

Its called propaganda

116351 ▶▶ John P, replying to Telpin, 2, #707 of 850 🔗

Err. Yes. I noticed about six months ago.

116362 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Telpin, 2, #708 of 850 🔗

I have thought the same, indeed when they talk about increasing cases amongst young people it does make me wonder why young people are getting tested for a disease that does not affect them? It is sort of why I never bothered to get a pregnancy test!
But thinking a bit further, where do we think this is all going and when will it end?
Is there any possibility that this virus can be controlled by mankind or will it just mosey on in its own sweet way and go when it feels like it?

Come Christmas, where do people think we will be with this virus and all this hoo-haa?

116373 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #709 of 850 🔗

Shock test result reveals that 50% of Britain’s men are pregnant.
Carl Heneghan suggests the test may be throwing up false positives.
MSM scream for blood of Carl Heneghan.
Hangjob confines all men to maternity units.

116406 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to annie, 7, #710 of 850 🔗

My (ex) father in law had a fall a few weeks ago. My ex had to fill in a form with a nurse.

The nurse said “I have to ask this. Is there any chance your (78 year old, male) father could be pregnant?”

So maybe they know something we don’t!

116479 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #711 of 850 🔗

Why did she have to ask it?

116538 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, 2, #712 of 850 🔗

Because TPTB don’t give their minions any credit for being able to use their own judgement.
Don’t nurses have degrees nowadays?

Funny that degree-less supermarket checkout operators don’t ask grey-haired me for proof of age when I buy a bottle of wine.

116543 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to annie, #713 of 850 🔗

Same reason why Venus had to have a big campaign talking about “individuals” who are able to menstruate; why merriam-webster dictionary is starting to define female as someone who “has the opposite gender identity to male”; and why news reports cannot mention women when they talk about smears for certain types of cancer, instead it’s, people ‘who have a cervix’

116544 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to annie, #714 of 850 🔗

Same reason why Venus had to have a big campaign requiring clarification they are talking about “individuals” who are able to menstruate; why merriam-webster dictionary is starting to define female as someone who “has the opposite gender identity to male”; and why news reports cannot mention women when they talk about smears for certain types of cancer, instead it’s, people ‘who have a cervix’. Because we are entering clown world!

116587 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to annie, #715 of 850 🔗

It was on the form and she can’t use her initiative.

116404 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #716 of 850 🔗

Honest opinion? Christmas?

We’ll be in full lockdown caused by deliberately conflating colds and flu with covid-19. We probably won’t even be allowed out to exercise. All you see in Victoria and NZ is a testbed for what is to come in the UK, Europe and USA.

That’s where all the evidence is pointing. They DO NOT want this to end. They do not want us to have herd immunity. They want more lockdowns.

If it hasn’t ended now with everything at zero then it never will. Cases and testing is just 100% BS in every way possible. It’s a made up story. For all we know zero people could have this now.

Sorry!

116438 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Lockdown Truth, 3, #717 of 850 🔗

My mate told me today he’d read somewhere that the plan is Full Lockdown in the UK from November to March. I need to ask him where he got this information from (he did tell me but I’ve forgotten), and research whether it’s reliable or nonsense. I’ll report back when I know.

116477 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Mr Dee, #718 of 850 🔗

It wasn’t something James Delingpole said on London Calling a month or so was it?

116496 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Lockdown Truth, #719 of 850 🔗

No, he said October.

116516 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Mr Dee, #720 of 850 🔗

Please do report back!

116590 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #721 of 850 🔗

The country can not afford another lockdown, that is a fact.If the government can’t bribe people to stay at home like they have then there will be no lockdown.

116367 ▶▶ annie, replying to Telpin, 6, #722 of 850 🔗

The young seek enjoyment?
Never happened before in the entire history of the world.

116554 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, 3, #723 of 850 🔗

am old and i’m still seeking enjoyment

116434 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Telpin, 3, #724 of 850 🔗

Project Fear is not working in North Wales. Llandudno today – Bank Holiday-level crowds. No anti-social distancing. Minimal masking.

Interesting conversation with a masked waiter – the manager mandated masks for staff because apparently restaurants where staff don’t wear masks have lower reviews on Trip Advisor – mask wearing is seen as a plus! Makes the customers feel safer, so they give it a higher rating.

116320 Will, replying to Will, 4, #725 of 850 🔗

Not writing about the cough but Janet Daley is at her usual, brilliant best in the Telegraph today and it is free. Can’t copy the link from the app but a must read for anyone who believes in the importance of free speech…

116340 PWL, replying to PWL, 10, #727 of 850 🔗

Social distancing is absolutely all about creating economic inefficiency. There’s no justification for it.
Covid-19: utterly false perception of great danger created by letting some old and ill people die

116444 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PWL, 1, #728 of 850 🔗

Most people social distance in art galleries and museums without following government decrees. Guess we need more practice.

116363 DRW, replying to DRW, 21, #729 of 850 🔗

Evening all, I’m pleased to report some more goodish news.

A family health scare has overshadowed the latest covidrama for me today, thankfully it was resolved in about an hour thanks to some intervention from parademics. After that we offered them some drinks. We got talking and when “it” was brought up they expressed some very sceptical views, including their digust for the “NHS heroes propaganda” and how they haven’t been any busier than during the typical Winter flu season. I encouraged them and their colleagues to speak up. Unfortunate circumstances but was still very excited to have met full blown sceptics in real life, and ‘front line’ ones too.

Got me wondering if there are many more quiet sceptics out there, or whether I just need to get out more.

116365 ▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 3, #730 of 850 🔗

There are, plenty, but submerged by media hysteria. It will end – the hysteria, I mean.
Glad your crisis was resolve!

116370 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to DRW, 8, #731 of 850 🔗

Yep , the paramedic who came out to see my Mum in June was fed up , why ? not because he didnt want to see Mum who was 97 but because GP’s were sending every single patient who needed a GP and not emergency care was referred to the paramedics .

116401 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to janis pennance, 8, #732 of 850 🔗

My sister in law is a paramedic and has said the same. She’s had arguments with GPs to take people for a consultation rather than having them lifted to A and E. She’s far from sceptic but up for a good debate so there is hope.

When there is no second wave, that’ll be her over the line to my view. Her daughter of 22 is still extremely anxious about everything and won’t leave the house unless essential. I have tried to tell her mum she has nothing to worry about and showed her Ivor Cummings’ casedemic stuff and the IFR rates for under 60s. They still seem. To think any letting go of the fear is somehow wrong, that it’s killing granny to even suggest otherwise.

Hard work but they at least listen to my points. Many others offer a shrug of the shoulders and carry on regardless

116376 ▶▶ Will, replying to DRW, 5, #733 of 850 🔗

There are loads of sceptics in the NHS but they daren’t speak out. The only NHS people I know who aren’t sceptical are the receptionists:

“But man, proud man,
Dress’d in a little brief authority,
Most ignorant of what he’s most assur’d—
His glassy essence—like an angry ape
Plays such fantastic tricks before high heaven
As makes the angels weep; who, with our spleens,
Would all themselves laugh mortal.“

116390 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Will, #734 of 850 🔗

You are the famous vile racist Alastair Stewart, and I claim my five pounds!

116474 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Will, #735 of 850 🔗

The angels must be sobbing by now.

116383 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to DRW, 2, #736 of 850 🔗

Obviously they don’t want to lose their jobs or their friendships and status etc.

Can anyone think of a process to allow NHS staff to speak out but anonymously yet still be credible eg their details are verified by a trusted third party?

It’s never as credible or successful if identities are withheld.

Perhaps if this was done and it was shown that 50% had now joined then it would prove that they were a majority. Then a deal couldn’t be struck with employers to take no action.

Next step is they allow their identities to be published and then the rest come out too.

Just wonderin…

116385 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 2, #737 of 850 🔗

*could be struck

Bloody spellcheck keeps reversing the meaning of my sentences by adding ‘nt all the time….

116398 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #738 of 850 🔗

*n’t
!

116532 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Lockdown Truth, #739 of 850 🔗

There’s supposed to be protection for whistle blowers, including anonymity; but there is strong suspicion of the system and no one trusts it.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/ourwork/whistleblowing/
https://www.cipd.co.uk/knowledge/fundamentals/emp-law/whistleblowing

116366 Jaguarpig, 1, #740 of 850 🔗

I hope harm comes to that Stasi pig

116368 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #741 of 850 🔗

“Edinburgh protest: Readers hit out at ‘naive and selfish’ anti-lockdown protesters
The rally saw hundreds gather without face coverings in Holyrood calling for an end to restrictions, which protesters believe are infringement of their ‘civil liberties’.”

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-protest-readers-hit-out-18885444

“Another blasted: “Awful. Let them meet the doctors and nurses who worked on the Covid wards during the hight of the pandemic.”

Dr Kendrick was a speaker at the Event.. he’s seen action. As other speakers have.

One reported comment says that covid treatment should be witheld from all who attended.

The article links to a live blog of the event, I haven’t read.

The event was good.

116380 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 1, #742 of 850 🔗

It was and any MSM reporting is complete bollocks. No mention of the other protest going on outside hollyrood at the same time.

116381 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to stefarm, 2, #743 of 850 🔗

BBC has a biased report

116467 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendy, 2, #744 of 850 🔗

Really?
You amaze me. 😟

116392 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Basics, 2, #745 of 850 🔗

Looking for a comment “Anyone disobeying the Sturgeon must be take to a re-education camp -she knows what is best for us and we must obey”

116397 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Basics, 3, #746 of 850 🔗

Sorry but… who’s naive?

116405 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Basics, 17, #747 of 850 🔗

I just don’t understand the whole “treatment should be withheld from you” argument – apart from being inhuman, by that logic you would withhold NHS medical and dental treatment from overweight people, smokers, drinkers, people who don’t exercise, people who eat too much sugar and don’t brush their teeth properly, people who don’t drive safely, people who don’t look properly before they cross the road, people who choose to climb ladders or do any form of DIY, people who catch flu in a normal winter season (now we know that they should have been social distancing and wearing masks)… The list is endless. Who would actually qualify?

116410 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #748 of 850 🔗

Quite. It’s a tired and nonsensical argument, wheeled out when it suits, in order to attack people you don’t agree with.

If you want socialised, universal healthcare, free at the point of use, accept that people will contribute, burden and benefit in different measures. A bit like progressive taxation and a welfare state. If you feel virtuous, advocate for a completely private system where your premiums would be low because you’re such a good boy or girl

116608 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Julian, #749 of 850 🔗

It’s similar to being superstitious. People believe that by doing all the right things they deserve good things to happen and those who don’t deserve bad luck.

116415 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to A. Contrarian, #750 of 850 🔗

The person who made the comment and presumably their chosen band.

There were children waving flags happy having fun, one 8 year old even having fun climbing a tree behind a cops back – excellent, so I’m guessing they were forced to be there, there were grannies and as pointed out grandads too who looked for all the world like they wanted to be there. Everyone inbetween – left and right young and old.

To be fair though, the comment was likely made by a feared up confused person who finds expressing their own thoughts very difficult. The fault lies with the editorial capabilities of the ‘journalist’ who used their position to amplify such a comment. Actually it may have been a comment made by the journalist’s colleague or 77 brigade for all we know. As with all press take with pinch of salt.

As pointed out – Bournemouth, blm statue protests, golf(!), extinction rebellion, etc., etc., etc.

116439 ▶▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Basics, 2, #751 of 850 🔗

I’m afraid the comments on the independenc-supporting newspaper The National were all very much along the same lines – this virus is deadly and anyone who questions it should be locked up in a room with other people who question it and then I’m not sure what happens.

116448 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Jane in France, 3, #752 of 850 🔗

Scotsman seems to be more favourable. It is not any surprise about the negativity – this is the only way they can stop our message growing*. If people look at the information discussed today we return to normal.

The whole treatment is useful to look at and be aware of. Again, it was a great day.

116470 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Jane in France, 1, #753 of 850 🔗

They ask each other intelligent questions and don’t get ill.

116446 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #754 of 850 🔗

The care pathway was held from the elderly given blanket DNR letters in care homes and dying under palative care in hospitals

Also there is this argument going around from parents scared to send their kids back to school that they shouldn’t be fined because they are only doing what they feel as parents is the safest course of action for their kids health. Even though they are being told by the scientists it is safe.

Yet when it comes to masks, no. I have to now bow to these scientists and not be allowed to do what I think is safe for myself.

You know the only way out of this? You take care of you and yours and I will do the same.

Stay home. Let me go to the pub

116472 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #755 of 850 🔗

‘Go home. Go into garden. Dig big hole. Get into it. Fill it in. Bury yourself.’
See you in the pub!

116487 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 2, #758 of 850 🔗

I bet the 77th were busy today posting their comments.

116491 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, #759 of 850 🔗

Can anybody tell me what the Scottish “i” said about it?

116504 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Two-Six, #760 of 850 🔗

Do they work weekends?

116599 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Basics, 2, #761 of 850 🔗

i’ve listened to the whole thing and it was really good, much better than last week with government stooges like David Icke discrediting lockdown protests.

116391 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ozzie, 6, #763 of 850 🔗

Good to hear. Are there any countries that have reversed mask mandates? I fear they are hear to stay.

116484 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #764 of 850 🔗

They did in Amsterdam. Perhaps in more widely in the Netherlands too.

116466 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ozzie, 2, #765 of 850 🔗

Enfin!

116387 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #766 of 850 🔗

Awaken with JP – Satirical Humor at it’s Best! Delighted to Share – Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZNWzAlqFpA

116388 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 12, #767 of 850 🔗

Did you spot this one?
https://twitter.com/PippaTaLula/status/1301956792931450881
Police being questioned why Corbyn is arrested for protesting against masks while organisers of other protests are ignored.

116413 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #768 of 850 🔗

Brilliant – well done that girl. Love her closing comment!

116394 Humanity First, 1, #769 of 850 🔗

Just saw this posted in a comment on off guardian…not sure what to make of it…?

Alison McDowell
@Philly852
·
12h

So about those Covid-19 test kit exports from 2017? Hmmm….what did big pharma Switzerland (also UN, global finance, and blockchain crypto-valley) know 2-3 years ago? What? Did the World Bank think no one would look? https://wits.worldbank.org/trade/comtrade/en/country/ALL/year/2017/tradeflow/Exports/partner/WLD/nomen/h5/product/300215

116396 Humanity First, replying to Humanity First, 1, #770 of 850 🔗

Just saw this twitter link posted in a comment on off guardian…not too sure what to make of it?

https://twitter.com/Philly852/status/1302117331372515328?s=20

Alison McDowell
@Philly852

So about those Covid-19 test kit exports from 2017? Hmmm….what did big pharma Switzerland (also UN, global finance, and blockchain crypto-valley) know 2-3 years ago? What? Did the World Bank think no one would look? https://wits.worldbank.org/trade/comtrade/en/country/ALL/year/2017/tradeflow/Exports/partner/WLD/nomen/h5/product/300215

116460 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Humanity First, 1, #771 of 850 🔗

The product code, 300215, is described as “Immunological products, put up in measured doses or in forms or packings for retail sale” in various databases. Maybe the items have recently been renamed in the WITS listing and elsewhere? I can’t think of any other rational explanation.

116469 ▶▶ matt, replying to Humanity First, #772 of 850 🔗

I’m highly dubious about this. I’m waiting to see some considered opinion as I don’t know enough about this particular system to come to a conclusion.

116399 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 18, #773 of 850 🔗

I’ve got a headache today. I’d better stay in until the 19th September. I don’t want to be responsible for inadvertently killing people in Tesco.

116465 ▶▶ annie, replying to Hubes, 10, #774 of 850 🔗

Hey, stay cool. I saved more than seven billion people’s lives today by not going within six feet of them.

116501 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Hubes, 1, #775 of 850 🔗

Don’t worry the shit they sell in shops pretending to be food is killing enough people already

116400 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 33, #776 of 850 🔗

Wow, I’m glad this social-distancing is in place because I don’t know how I would have coped if we had been any busier today! Never underestimate the speed with which the public abandon any concern about the virus, when they want an outdoor table at a coffee shop in the early autumn sunshine! Boy, were those elbows sharpened!

Though someone had to spoil it by asking if we had sanitised our outdoor seating, to which one of my great Saturday staff responded – whip-sharp – “they look pretty clean to me”

116414 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to kh1485, 11, #777 of 850 🔗

Coach party from Lockdown Sceptics?

116419 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to bluemoon, 5, #778 of 850 🔗

That would be great! Perhaps we can have our inaugural meeting here!

116424 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to kh1485, 1, #779 of 850 🔗

But obviously you won’t have a large enough space!! Any town squares or parks nearby!
Like the sound of your Saturday staff BTW.

116432 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to bluemoon, 2, #780 of 850 🔗

We have a park that our shop overlooks …

Yes, I was impressed with that response. All three of them have been great – and all LS.

116464 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 1, #781 of 850 🔗

Please keep me a seat!

116447 ▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 1, #782 of 850 🔗

I hope you give that Saturday staffer a bonus!

116453 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 3, #783 of 850 🔗

Though someone had to spoil it by asking if we had sanitised our outdoor seating, to which one of my great Saturday staff responded – whip-sharp – “they look pretty clean to me”

Great reply from your staff. I had a similar question when I was offering a visitor an audio guide and I replied “yeah, I can’t see any dust.”

116402 AN other lockdown sceptic, #784 of 850 🔗
116412 peter charles, replying to peter charles, 3, #785 of 850 🔗

Good news on the mask front. Its not being enforced.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/police-face-mask-fines-coronavirus/

116425 ▶▶ Drawde927, replying to peter charles, #786 of 850 🔗

No surprise that LBC aren’t reporting it as “good” news! What’s the general tone of the comments? (can’t bear to look myself, don’t want to get depressed by hordes of zealots this late in the day)

116463 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Drawde927, 1, #787 of 850 🔗

No comments as of now, 20:30.
Zombies struck dumb with horror?

116431 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 24, #788 of 850 🔗

Greetings Fellow Sceptics!!!

As Mr Bart and I are continuing our boycott of anything indoor (window shopping, visiting museums and heritage sites), today we did a long walk from King’s Cross to Kensington Park (via Regent’s Canal). A few observations:

  • no antisocial distancing whatsoever
  • a few people muzzled outdoors
  • hilarious seeing muzzles flapping along people’s hands or the side of their face. The men particularly look like they’re carrying a doll’s handbag
  • farce of people putting on their muzzles whilst going into say a cafe then on the way out remove said muzzle and shove it into their pocket or bag
  • had lunch at a Weatherspoon’s pub and got asked for our details. We said no and that was about it, no further questions asked, no hassle
  • no antisocial distancing and muzzles on floating restaurants and boat tours along canal
  • Walked past a riverboat cafe on Little Venice with a sign that said “Face masks required inside” Surprise, surprise; the cafe was empty
  • Paddington Station a virtual ghost town – was able to take photos of architecture and war memorial without any problems at all

We think that what we’re seeing here is some half hearted compliance with the guidelines and people voting with their feet. I may be too optimistic by saying that the tide is slowly turning but I do feel that many people have had enough and just want to go back to the old normal.

116452 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #789 of 850 🔗

Forgot to add:

  • Shops along Knightsbridge (including Harrods) and Piccadilly almost deserted but restaurants and cafes doing a half decent trading
  • Ditto V&A, Natural History and Science Museums – no queues and again almost deserted
116458 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 15, #790 of 850 🔗

Can’t they see it, the cretins?
Masks= no clients.
End of.

116490 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 5, #791 of 850 🔗

Unfortunately they are cretins so can’t see it.

Even dropping an anvil over their heads won’t help.

116485 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #792 of 850 🔗

What worries me is if the Mengele Brigade realize this and ramp it up with another appearance of the Scary Fairy.

116492 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to RickH, #793 of 850 🔗

Good point. They see people enjoying themselves and hence why we’re getting the usual scare stories.

116451 Sheltielass, replying to Sheltielass, 37, #794 of 850 🔗

Well folks its been a while since I posted on here. Everything got a bit much for me so decided to take a break from internet/news and its done me the world of good.

My son has been back to school for three weeks and his improvement in mental health has been amazing. They have to sanitise going in and after playtime etc, but after finding out he couldnt get drunk through the alcohol on his hands him and his mates dont bother. He told me that the teacher doesn’t shout at them for not doing it either. Have to say i am loving his new p7 teacher. My son had a sore throat thursday morning. He wasnt wanting to go to school but my husband kicked him out the door as he had a busy day at work. I was already at work. Anyways he said to the teacher about his sore throat. She told him he’ll be fine and remember to drink lots!!! Im not usually one for giving Xmas presents to teachers for just doing their jobs but if she carries on like this I think I might have to reward her with something.

I’m enjoying being back full time at my work. I did start back in June but due to schools being off i was only working a couple of evenings a week. Now school is back I’m back on my 5am to 2pm shifts. Maybe not loving the early starts again so much especially when its dark now in aberdeen at that time. All my fellow crew members think its a heap of rubbish. Its nice seeing alot of the regulars. They all agree that everything needs to get back to normal. They all agree with the dodgy test results, hospital figures, deaths etc. These are people from all backgrounds. I spoke to one customer who I havent seen since March. She would come every morning through the drive thru for a latte on her way to her office. I saw her Friday. She’s been working from home. She hates it. They are allowed back into the office one day a week on a rota system. Friday was her day and she was so excited to be back at her desk. She said they had all the new normal things like screens, one way systems etc but nobody was really paying attention to it.

I went into Aberdeen city centre today. Third time out since lockdown was lifted. Although I do wear a mask, purely because I don’t want any hassle, there was more folk than a month ago not wearing them. And a mixture of young and old too. Went into a shopping centre with eating places walked past pizza hut and not one member of staff wearing masks. 👏 👏 im not too sure how they are allowed to. Especially as we have just come out of our local lockdown and the council have imposed even stricter rules. But it was a wonderful sight to see.

Sorry if this has already been mentioned on here but I also see the scottish government have admitted fudging the number of hospital cases. People who once tested positive but are no longer and are in hospital for a total different reason are still being counted as a coronavirus patient!! They claim they are going to publish the actual numbers in a few days.

It was also on the local news how there are a “spike in cases” in a nearby village. They spoke to a young man around early 20’s who had tested postitve. He was standing in a tshirt on his driveway. I thought he looked remarkably well for someone overcoming a killer illness.

Also on the same local news they were speaking about the labour MSP. They showed a video of him coming down the stairs in Holyrood. It was a new video as the stairs were divided into one way sections and there was sanitiser at the bottom. Anyways there were 2 ladies in front of him and 2 men behind him. No one social distancing and no masks. Someone even ran down the stairs in the wrong one way section and not one person tutted at him. Shows how much of a threat these politicians really thinks is out there.

So folks. I think thats enough from me now. I believe the tide is turning and quite rapidly now. I think people are just scared for their own jobs now. Even if they still have one now will they still have one end of this year. I think its clear that politicians have messed up but instead of pulling on their big boy pants and saying sorry and owning up to their mistakes they just keep digging away at a bigger hole for them. I actually think wee Nicola has realised all her mistakes and knows there’s a damn good chance she might not do too well at next year scottish election. But to be honest there’s actually nobody who has stood up to her and questioned her motives. So goodness knows.

116456 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sheltielass, 6, #795 of 850 🔗

Great report!
I really do think that most people, apart from the hopeless zombies, are aching to get back to the real normal. Keep pushing for it, folks!

116482 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Sheltielass, 1, #796 of 850 🔗

A lovely post. Well done.

116497 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sheltielass, 1, #797 of 850 🔗

Many thanks for sharing your encounters over the past few weeks. That teacher deserves a gong for doing her job and using common sense.

I think you’re right about people being scared about their own jobs now. Furlough will be ending next month and the continuing insanity of antisocial distancing and masks will accelerate the demise of many more shops and even visitor attractions.

And TPTB looks like are running scared, hence why they’re ramping up the fear porn. They should do well to remember and heed this warning (apologies to the Book of Daniel):

MENE, MENE – Their days are numbered

TEKEL – They have been weighed on the balances and are found wanting

(U)PARSIN – The Kingdom will be divided by rioting and unrest

116591 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Sheltielass, #798 of 850 🔗

Glad you’re feeling more positive but the tide is hardly turning if no-one is standing up to Sturgeon yet.

116454 Humanity First, replying to Humanity First, 5, #799 of 850 🔗

“Australian Govt’s OWN WEBSITE admits Covid tests are totally unreliable
Therapeutic Goods Administration, a government office, claims there is “little evidence” to assess “clinical utility” of PCR or blood tests”
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/05/australian-govts-own-website-admits-covid-tests-are-totally-unreliable/

116589 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Humanity First, 2, #800 of 850 🔗

I think we should all be focusing on this single issue. It unmasks (hehe) this whole nonsense. They are building an authoritarian infrastructure on sand with these tests. And it is not hard for lay people like myself to understand.

Over the past week it is the single issue I have been brining up with people. Its always been there as a criticism but now it’s hitting the mainstream. It’s a cornerstone.

116478 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #801 of 850 🔗

Imagine wearing this on public transport or inside a shop or bank:

https://www.thisiscolossal.com/2018/09/hieronymus-bosch-costume/?fbclid=IwAR3FjlFtnb3XIfhZUNa5Zyzj_zB_VRJxgezGlP2zPR99wBTm1gD_P5JUBUU

It is technically a face covering so surely they won’t object.

116508 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, #802 of 850 🔗

Bank robberies might increase. That’s why they need track and trace apps. Can only see the whites of our eyes now, no more facial recognition.

116480 Julian, replying to Julian, 7, #803 of 850 🔗

Does anyone have an explanation for China?

The reported covid deaths and cases per head of population are among the lowest in the world.

Their population density is not especially low.

I’m not aware they have world-beating healthcare.

They have lots of densely populated cities, and high mobility of people.

The virus started there, with a high number of cases in a small area, and spread globally, but not apparently in China.

They either have a secret formula we’re not aware of, or they are lying about their covid cases, or simply not bothering to record them or look for them.

116493 ▶▶ matt, replying to Julian, 7, #804 of 850 🔗

I would start with lying and go from there, when it come to China.

116547 ▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to matt, 1, #805 of 850 🔗

So no different to the U.K. then.

116494 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Julian, 4, #806 of 850 🔗

I’ve been asking the same question and am wondering when/if the MSM will ever ask this question. They’ve supposedly had fewer deaths than we have in Canada, which beggars belief. They’re partying it up in Wuhan with no distancing or masks and we’re still under virtual house arrest??? All I know is that they’re not registering asymptomatic “cases” like the rest of the world, but this doesn’t explain their crazy low death rate or how the virus didn’t leave tens of thousands dead in the other large cities like Beijing and Shanghai. Something fishy going on, and the stench probably didn’t come from a wet market…

116499 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 2, #807 of 850 🔗

Could it all be a scam……..

116511 ▶▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #808 of 850 🔗

Been arguing all day with people claiming its a hoax. I don’t think the evidence supports that. At least not in entirety. But it has definitely been an opportunity that has not gone untaken…

116509 ▶▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 4, #809 of 850 🔗

I’ve been asking the same question and getting pelters for it.

The virus appears to have started in Wuhan with people dropping in the street and the imposition of the most draconian lockdown. But the rest of China had no lockdown. 6 months later and Wuhan is enjoying a fairly normal existence while things are still locked down in the west.

There was talk of this emanating from a lab and talk of bio-hazards. That would at least explain part of the UK govt response.

But why was Europe so badly affected and the far east relatively unscathed in comparison. Why Wuhan and not China? Where did the virus start and how did it propagate – and what happened to the talk of bio-hazard escapes?

Friends who are medical workers in Spain all believed back in April this was the result of a release of a bio hazard. That question now goes unanswered…

Strange.

116502 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Julian, #810 of 850 🔗

The way they measure cases is probably a bit stricter i.e. part of it is probably that they’re reporting fewer asymptomatic positive PCR swabs as cases.

116585 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tee Ell, #811 of 850 🔗

They’ve stopped testing asymptomatics

116578 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Julian, 4, #812 of 850 🔗

In my opinion the secret is that the virus is not that dangerous and without the harm, withdrawal of medical treatment and chaos in care homes as a result of lock down we would barely have noticed it ourselves. China never did a national lockdown and its likely the lockdown in Wuhan was largely theatre. The virus has already circulated through China and now the Chinese population has or is very close to heard immunity and because life continued largely as normal their death rate continued largely as normal.

No doubt if China tried hard enough it could come up with more positive PCR test results then most countries due to its size but why would any sane or even insane group of people waste time and resources in that way.

The CCP already has a tight enough grip on the people of China and they have no need to use the covid fear and panic on the people of china to control behaviour.

116602 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Julian, #813 of 850 🔗

Have to wonder if they’re doing so well why mainstream media aren’t singing their praises on how well they’ve handled it all. In fact I can’t actually think of anybody who’s said it.

116647 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Julian, 2, #814 of 850 🔗

Ironically it seems to me that China has taken the Nelson approach, put the wrong end of the telescope up to your dodgy eye proclaim you see no virus and carry on regardless. The UK mass testing programme is like looking for grains of sand on the beach and then proclaiming a national panic every time you find one.
If tomorrow the UK gave up mass testing, masks, lockdowns etc. and just had a programme of protecting the vulnerable; would that work OK? could we then just carry on regardless?

As to the way this whole thing started in China it is undoubtedly both literally and metaphorically fishy.

116489 Lisa from Toronto, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 16, #816 of 850 🔗

So I ordered a couple of “protest” masks from this vendor through Etsy. While I almost never go anywhere these days because of the mandate, I thought I should have a few on hand so at least I can register my disdain if I do put one on. He just sent this to his customers:

We were notified by Etsy that our listings had been deactivated. They told us:

“Etsy prohibits items or listings with misinformation that risks the health or safety of the public.”

Can you believe that?

Masks with messages that do not conform to the Official Narrative are classified as a risk to the public.

When I read that email from Etsy, I was pretty upset.

I mean, I was angry!

First, we’re all ordered to wear masks. Next, we’re being told which words we’re allowed to show on our masks. The noose is narrowing.

116510 ▶▶ Alethea, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 6, #817 of 850 🔗

Yes. It makes the world feel a very claustrophobic place.

116583 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Alethea, 3, #818 of 850 🔗

The mask literally makes me feel claustrophobic. So now it’s literal and figurative.

116542 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 4, #819 of 850 🔗

Freedom of expression has been under attack for the past few years, but after the last few months it’s in serious danger of vanishing completely.

117346 ▶▶ Sceptic down South, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #820 of 850 🔗

Why not just take a blank mask and add your own words with a marker pen? Maybe something colourful about Boris or Matt? If you wear it inside out, the message will be clearer as it’ll be black on white? And don’t forget to poke a few holes in it so that you can breathe properly…

116495 Basics, 1, #821 of 850 🔗

https://m.twitch.tv/videos/732064013

Video of the main speakers from Holyrood today. The first 15 mins of the day had sound issues, this video starts as those issues were being sorted. Skip to 2 mins in for the start of the speeches.

Professor Richard Ennos
Dr Malcolm Kendrick
Professor Delores Cahill

Chair/MC Councillor Paddy Hogg – he was excellent.

116498 Biker, replying to Biker, 26, #822 of 850 🔗

How long till the road side testing and vaccinations? How long till we’re imprisoned for refusing to be tested/vaccinated? How long till they take your kids from you because you refuse to be tested. I believe the British public are such scumbags that they’ll cheer when they see their neighbours children taken by the state and the parents jailed for non compliance. They’ve been going on about Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory but the people have become spineless cowards terrified they’re gonna die of a virus and have decided that nothing but the total destruction of liberty and freedom will do. They have no fucking right to sing Rule Britannia, these people aren’t the children of the heroes of the 2nd world war but cockroaches and vermin who’ll stand by and watch the state murder people like me. They’ll actually think i deserve it. Hell when they’re standing on the Gallows themselves they’ll still think it’s for the public good.
There is no hope whatsoever. This isn’t going away. We are all fucked like you won’t believe. They’re coming for everything. You’re cars, your gas, your meat, your words, your pensions, your kids, your savings, your travel, your right to fuck yourself up on fags and booze, health care will be rationed for only the deserving and still the masses will tolerate it.
I’ve decided as a non mask wearing threat to the public safety i’m gonna wear a Yellow Star. I want people to see my maskless face and my Yellow Star so they see themselves as the destroyers of humanity they surely are.

116506 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Biker, 2, #823 of 850 🔗

New video from Australia. 10 seconds. The last second is truly something.
https://twitter.com/oliviakingia/status/1302209911451979778?s=20

116513 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Basics, 1, #824 of 850 🔗

i’d watch but i’ll never click on a link to Twitter

116551 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Biker, #825 of 850 🔗

just youtube australia lockdown protest …plenty of videos..

116559 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to mjr, 2, #826 of 850 🔗

i’ve seen them. When the cops are arresting pregnant women for Facebook posts then we know we have the same tyrannical style government the poor Chinese plebs have to put up with

116507 Alethea, replying to Alethea, 8, #827 of 850 🔗

Today in the window of a tattoo shop in Newcastle I saw a stylish sign in tattoo-gothic script saying: ‘No entry if you show symptoms of Covid/ Homophobia/ Racism.’
An interesting category error. The second two are political phenomena (and putting up signs about them is a political position). The first is a disease. Yes, as a disease it does have political aspects (some of the co-morbidities are linked to socio-economic status; and do you have access to healthcare if you become seriously ill with it?), but the virus itself is not a political entity. Here though it is treated as if it were a political evil. It’s been entirely moralised. And I think it’s noteworthy also that the person suffering from the disease is guilty as a result: this is of course the mandatory mask line. Everyone must mask up to protect other people. Guilt and poison emanate from me; my breath is death-dealing. My spirit is toxic.
The virtue-signalling aspect of mask-wearing is enraging to those of us who perceive it, but I hadn’t reflected before on why the signallers are so motivated. It may be because they fear that they are unclean; that they really do pose a threat to others. Burdened with this self-condemnation, they grasp desperately at a means of self-redemption. There may be an element of self-punishment, of self-cancelling, in the gesture. I constantly wonder, as I see everyone around me in masks, why they don’t feel as humiliated and depersonalised by it as I would. But today I think maybe they do feel those things, and feel that it serves them right. It’s expiation, they think.

116522 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Alethea, 5, #828 of 850 🔗

I’ve infected exactly zero people yet these martyrs who I am constantly reminded to think of – those in ICU and the morgue – have actually spread this nasty virus yet receive zero flack.

As the Septics say… Go figure.

116534 ▶▶ annie, replying to Alethea, 1, #829 of 850 🔗

Why the soul searching? Just don’t go anywhere near such a toxic shop.

116540 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Alethea, 3, #830 of 850 🔗

Category error as you say, but my guess is that they genuinely don’t want customers with Covid in proximity to the tattooist, and they just added the other two items as a bit of virtue signalling.

116571 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Alethea, 8, #831 of 850 🔗

It’s not technically an error to not want three things in your shop just because two of them are in different categories. I don’t want wasps, carbon monoxide, marmite or homophobia in my kitchen. They’re different kinds of thing. But I don’t like any of them.

Politically it’s quite unusual to say “no Covid”. One of the interesting (and most harmful) things about the Covid cult is all the quarantining and masking of the healthy. It’s like if someone actually had Covid people imagine they would want to be all caring and look after them, and even let them in their shop, or certainly do their shopping for them and deliver it carefully in a sealed plastic box with a rainbow card saying things like “keep fighting” and “get well soon”. But if you _don’t_ have Covid you have to endure a mask and other privations to show how concerned and unselfish you are, and if you don’t it’s OK to blast you with pepper spray. Human nature can be quite strange.

116586 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to guy153, 1, #832 of 850 🔗

Isn’t there a thing called a “Celtic triad” or something like that? The late Michael Wharton in his Peter Simple guise used to create them, this sort of thing. “Three things to avoid: salad dressing, a polka-dot umbrella, and a Mahler symphony.”

117317 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Edward, #833 of 850 🔗

Actually it’s a Welsh triad. A Celtic triad is a bit different.

116575 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Alethea, 2, #834 of 850 🔗

Interesting. Nothing is free from the toxic politics have now. Yet that is the battleground.

Thats why voices like Carl Henegen have been so important. They are cutting through the politics with evidence. They are inviting real debate on the issues, not just a shouting match filled with clichés.

The next step is for those voices to get polticial though. They have gained a platform that many others could not have due to their academic standing. If they can just get angry, we might see this move.

Scenes from Melbourne are very disturbing.

116582 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Alethea, 1, #835 of 850 🔗

So asymptomatic Covid carriers are welcome? Odd!

116515 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #836 of 850 🔗

Check the situation in the Czech Republic. Less deaths than Sweden. Do it!

116526 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to richard riewer, 1, #837 of 850 🔗

Why “do it” ? What conclusions would w draw? That the Czech Republic and Sweden are very different countries?

116531 Shep, 7, #838 of 850 🔗

Discarded the mask. Next time will be Halloween. Try it. 😎 👻

116533 matt, 2, #839 of 850 🔗

Especially those of you who don’t subscribe to or buy the spectator (and so can’t read the article) but also those who do should listen to this week’s The Edition podcast
https://www.spectator.co.uk/podcast/the-covid-trap-will-society-ever-open-up-again-
The first item is an excellent discussion with Johan Norberg (who wrote the cover piece and is a Swedish writer) and Gerard Baker (Editor at large of the Wall Street Journal)

116535 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 2, #840 of 850 🔗

No one ever mentions Vietnam either. I think Asians, on the whole, were immune to the worse effects of Covid-19. Caucasians and Latinos not so much.

116550 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to richard riewer, 8, #841 of 850 🔗

It has been suggested that people in the Far East have a lot of cross immunity from SARS.

116615 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to OKUK, #842 of 850 🔗

Singapore has racked up nearly 50,000 positive tests since its last death

116553 ▶▶ guy153, replying to richard riewer, 4, #843 of 850 🔗

I haven’t looked at what’s happening in Vietnam recently but there is a theory they actually had it before China (and didn’t particularly notice it as you might not if there wasn’t such a fuss about it). I don’t know if there is much evidence for this theory other than Vietnam is next to China and has a lot of bats.

116560 mjr, replying to mjr, 3, #844 of 850 🔗

Just watching BBC news.. Still fearmongering .
But at least now when they show cumulative death figures (in huge print) they now stick a message in very tiny print at the bottom “death from any cause within 28 days of a positive covid test”
Which basically means the figure is pointless. But I think the BBC still show the figure on the basis that most viewers are so brainwashed they dont notice
And they still talk about cases and infections – and not positive tests

Also report on XR protests etc . Are the organisers getting fined £10000?

116562 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to mjr, 2, #845 of 850 🔗

Hell no!

116561 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #846 of 850 🔗

He’s Woke now and XR but in his early days he wrote some memorable songs.
Donovan: Colours

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FATrsvKTtV4&list=PLUI8BPuMaCLne9WPeek57yQxqjTc__jte

116573 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to richard riewer, #847 of 850 🔗

Na. Never liked Donovan. For some reason I feel like I should but I am always instantly turned off.

Prefer John Martyn
https://youtu.be/Kg_Utj4Aljc

116592 OKUK, 12, #848 of 850 🔗

Enjoyed seeing Mark Dolan of Talk Radio cutting up a mask live on the studio whilst slagging off the Mask Madness. Well done Mark. It’s on You Tube.

116598 Basics, 4, #849 of 850 🔗

An interesting piece in the Scotsman suggesting that patience with the unscientific, unreasoned and unexplained decrees is coming to an end.

“Nicola Sturgeon’s Covid decrees are wearing thin on Scotland – Brian Wilson
Politicised Covid briefings and ill-considered edicts issued by the Scottish Government are not helping the fight against the virus, writes Brian Wilson”

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/nicola-sturgeons-covid-decrees-are-wearing-thin-scotland-brian-wilson-2962225

116934 H K, 2, #850 of 850 🔗

It’s rather frustrating when those who are opposing the mandatory vaccines and implicating Bill Gates are labelled conspiracy theorists!
There is plenty of convincing evidence imo that there is indeed some substance to this being true. Bill Gates is carrying the torch of Rockerfeller’s influence on medicine!
The Gates family are known to have a history on population control (Bill’s father was active in Planned Parenthood).
The 5G argument for me is in regards to ‘bio-security’ surveillance – digital health passports, thermal imaging, social distancing controls, and a social credit system. Just look how it’s being implemented in China!
So regardless if you believe in this or not, i’d urge people to join the groups and attend the rallies and bring the more ‘rational’ arguments to the table.
Also, please don’t bash Simon Dolan for creating an echo-chamber, he isn’t really in control or has any really involvement in these groups. He is just creating a movement to get people to become active. These groups are independently run from what I understand.

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