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116628 William Purle, replying to William Purle, 78, #1 of 1165 🔗

For months now I just keep asking myself (and my wife) the same question: “Why are we not rioting now?”

116648 ▶▶ annie, replying to William Purle, 57, #2 of 1165 🔗

Because, despite our best efforts, we remain decent, law-abiding citizens.The fact that we are cursed with a brain is just our bad luck.

116691 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to annie, 42, #3 of 1165 🔗

To their dying day the Jews of 1930’s Germany remained ‘decent law abiding citizens’

116825 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Cecil B, 12, #4 of 1165 🔗

Yes well put.

116973 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Cecil B, 18, #5 of 1165 🔗

Some of my wife’s friends say “we must obey to those who are put in authority over us “. Just the sort who would not only help each other onto the cattle trucks, but would help the weapon-toting police to bolt the doors behind them.

There comes a time (which is long overdue in Australia) when civil disobedience is a national duty and a form of self-defence.

117213 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to RichardJames, 7, #6 of 1165 🔗

She likes Authoritarians, I guess. Wait til she meets the Totalitarians, she might change her tune. By that time it will probably be too late.

117289 ▶▶▶▶▶ nat, replying to RichardJames, 15, #7 of 1165 🔗

The example of the Jews in Nazi Germany is very apt and I am now only beginning to understand it. I am in the midst of what is happening in Melbourne. It is blatantly clear that we are in the midst of some sort of totalitarian movement/ cult/ coup and yet at the same time I desperately want to believe that can only happen in other countries and there has been some mistake. Cognitive dissonance.

116656 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to William Purle, 33, #8 of 1165 🔗

Victorian doctors argue the lockdown is ‘causing more harm than good’
Victorian surgeon Dr Geoffrey Wells says a growing number of doctors in the state believe the lock-down is “causing more harm than good”.

116667 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to William Purle, 17, #9 of 1165 🔗

Because being “British” is not what we thought it meant.

116673 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to William Purle, 29, #10 of 1165 🔗

Dare I say it, more of us (who have expressed sceptic views) appear to be over 40 than under and it is the young who normally riot.

116805 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to DressageRider, 8, #11 of 1165 🔗

The biggest, indeed only, exhibition of mass civil disobedience to Social Distancing that I have seen was on Friday when several hundred 16 and 17 year olds entirely abandoned it while queuing on the pavements to register for college.
It may not have been political in nature but they might have noticed that none of the grown ups attempted to get them to comply.

117828 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to karenovirus, #12 of 1165 🔗

“grown ups”

126839 ▶▶▶▶ jen, replying to karenovirus, #13 of 1165 🔗

There were 40,000 at Trafalgar square 29th august. Peirs Corbyn was arrested there too. Fined 10,000 pounds for incitement. Next one at trafalgar is 19th september

117155 ▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to DressageRider, 11, #14 of 1165 🔗

And the young are so brainwashed they don’t even realise that they are losing freedom.

116679 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to William Purle, 29, #15 of 1165 🔗

Not sure about “rioting” but I did think there would be some sort of mass demonstration along the lines of the Countryside Alliance March that took place many years ago.

People just seem to be unconcerned about what has been done to them and what will be happening vis-a-vis the economic hit that is hurtling our way.

116831 ▶▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to kh1485, 28, #16 of 1165 🔗

I’m sure that’s right. To most (except us here) it’s just an “inconvenience” and many don’t know anyone who has actually died of the virus, a few know ‘friends of’ friends who have actually suffered from it – but because it is a constant refrain running through our daily lives – most just grab their revolting mask and carry on. And so many have not had to ‘get up and go outside to work to earn a living’. Getting schools back, losing your job – all that is really going to make an impact.
For me it’s the state domination in my life and the complete incompetence and ineptitude of those ‘in charge’ that have seriously challenged my view of UK democracy and free society. Disturbing.

126842 ▶▶▶▶ jen, replying to Keen Cook, #17 of 1165 🔗

There were 40,000 in protest at Trafalgar square 29th august. Peirs Corbyn was arrested there too. Fined 10,000 pounds for incitement. Next one at trafalgar is 19th september. If you really care….be there

126840 ▶▶▶ jen, replying to kh1485, #18 of 1165 🔗

There were 40,000 at Trafalgar square 29th august. Peirs Corbyn was arrested there too. Fined 10,000 pounds for incitement. Next one at trafalgar is 19th september

116713 ▶▶ Julian, replying to William Purle, 46, #19 of 1165 🔗

The level of propaganda has been unprecented, in the UK and globally, and the “crisis” has been convenient for lots of influential and powerful organisations nationally and internationally, and has coincided with certain trends of thinking that have been brewing for some time. And the political opposition here have not, well, opposed.

A perfect storm. You wonder why people didn’t think of using a “pandemic” to control people before. It’s ideal.

The sunk cost fallacy – people are invested in this and don’t want to admit it was a waste of time or a mistake.

And people don’t want to face the horrible truth about how bad things are, so they just ignore it and hope it will go away.

116797 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Julian, 40, #20 of 1165 🔗

It was ironic to hear Johnson complaining about xtinkshun rebellion harming press freedom when that same press has been his propaganda bitch for 6 months or more.

116953 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 8, #21 of 1165 🔗

That’s why he was complaining, they were attacking his propaganda bitch.

116810 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Julian, 27, #22 of 1165 🔗

I am still thinking about an article I read in the Guardian yesterday. It basically says that the problem with dissenters is that they are deliberately stepping outside “our shared reality”. I hadn’t thought about that before. They are making the argument that seeking the truth is less desirable to society than us all sharing a truth, even if it’s wrong.

I also read an article that I can’t now locate that said that before Covid, Western society had already decided to commit suicide. It was just looking for a way to do it. It was already dismantling the old way of life, educating the young to reject their parents’ values, even banning internal combustion engines in a huge act of economic self harm. It had lost all sense of its own self-worth and was just looking for a way out.

116817 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #23 of 1165 🔗

I concur. It was already turning it’s back on freedom and capitalism to such a huge extent, and the cronyism and oligarchy it’s now supporting instead can’t be expected to sustain it.

116828 ▶▶▶▶ jim j, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #24 of 1165 🔗

Have a read of the Fukuyama essay on Unherd. It describes this phenomenon, in advance, to a T.
Not sure how to link to it sorry.

116829 ▶▶▶▶▶ jim j, replying to jim j, 8, #25 of 1165 🔗


Ah, not as stupid as I though. Here is the link

117083 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to jim j, 1, #26 of 1165 🔗

Fascinating insights. Thanks.

116844 ▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Barney McGrew, 19, #27 of 1165 🔗

So, by your comment on the guardian article, it is as though they are making the response to this virus a belief system/ ideology and we are the heretics. Let’s hope we don’t go the same way as the heretics of the past – time to build that priest hole, and I say this only mildly in jest.

117084 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nsklent, 6, #28 of 1165 🔗

We’re definitely heretics. I’ve seen that for weeks.

117183 ▶▶▶▶▶ Judith Day, replying to Nsklent, 3, #29 of 1165 🔗

The ‘Preppers’ don’t seem so mad any more!

117196 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Nsklent, 5, #30 of 1165 🔗

The Guardian and Observer are such dangerous papers because they are polemic and so many of the people who read them never bother to read anything else.

117334 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Will, 2, #31 of 1165 🔗

Yes, it’s astonishing. I have a Facebook friend who often posts news items, always from the Guardian – it’s as if no other newspaper exists. Though it may be a factor that most of the others have paywalls.

117472 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Edward, 1, #32 of 1165 🔗

You make me winder why the Grauniad doesn’t have a paywall.
Who is funding them?

117501 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Edward, #33 of 1165 🔗

Paywalls or millions of intrusive adverts are what put me off the others.
Only took out an intro subscription to the DT so I could follow the links Toby posts. Most of the articles are fluff so I don’t know if I’ll continue with it.
Same with the Spectator but much of it sets my teeth on edge.

117759 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Cheezilla, #34 of 1165 🔗

I look at the Telegraph “live update” which isn’t behind the paywall. Also the comments on articles (where they’re allowed) are accessible and give an idea of what people are thinking beyond our world here. I would say that covid-sceptical comments there are in the majority though there are some scaremongerers and scaredy-cats too.

117766 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jim j, replying to Edward, 1, #35 of 1165 🔗

I can’t help but do some baiting of people in the DT comments. I had a bizarre to and fro last week with a couple of masketeers. I genuinely try to understand the logic in what they go on about, but it’s almost funny. It went – if you wear yours, and I don’t wear mine, and you’re right, then there is no problem right, it will “save you from me”, they said “not necessarily, you ought to wear one”,.. around and around!

116891 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Barney McGrew, 3, #36 of 1165 🔗

Yes with the guardian in the lead.

116959 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #37 of 1165 🔗

seeking the truth is less desirable to society than us all sharing a truth, even if it’s wrong.

That’s the collectivist mantra. It comes from the top, not from below.

117144 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #38 of 1165 🔗

they are deliberately stepping outside “our shared reality”

The Guardian’s shared reality?

117224 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #39 of 1165 🔗

Second dark age

The death of science

Thing is, eventually these nitwits will realise that all of the nice things we have come from an understanding of the truth, not from all of us sharing delusions

But it will be too late

117447 ▶▶▶▶ rational actor, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #40 of 1165 🔗

Kath Viner, the Guardian editor, is rapidly turning into an excellent argument that feminism has been a huge disaster for the Western world. Rather than producing genuinely independent, practical, problem-solving women, feminism has thrown up a couple of generations of conformist victims who seek shelter in the pronouncements of authority, and whose articles you can read in the Guardian any day of the week.

The Graun specialised in goofy left-of-centre catastrophizing for a long time, but Viner has managed to publish articles that are simultaneously trivial and sinister in their complete disregard for any kind of logic or proportionality. Now we have the concept of ‘our shared reality’. Yeah, i don’t think the author and I share any kind of reality. I’m willing to see whose is more robust.

117067 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 8, #41 of 1165 🔗

You wonder why people didn’t think of using a “pandemic” to control people before. It’s ideal.

Because this is about AI-based control. They didn’t have the technology before.

117475 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #42 of 1165 🔗

Spot on. Without the Internet, lockdown and all the associated bullying would be impossible. That’s why the present bollox is so different from the response to Hong Kong flu.

126843 ▶▶▶ jen, replying to Julian, #43 of 1165 🔗

There were 40,000 in protest at Trafalgar square 29th august. Peirs Corbyn was arrested there too. Fined 10,000 pounds for incitement. Next one at trafalgar is 19th september. If you really care….be there

116728 ▶▶ WillemKoppenhol, replying to William Purle, 24, #44 of 1165 🔗

That’s a good question but what is your answer to it? Why are you not rioting by now?

That’s not meant as some form or rebuke, I have the exact same thing. Yes, I am angry, and yet I do pretty much nothing at all… And in our case (“our” being for instance all the people on lockdownsceptics.org) we can’t even plead ignorance or (genuine or not) fear of COVID-19! So what is holding us back…?

In my case for one the fact that doing it alone is next to impossible, but all political parties (in the Netherlands, my native country) are one way or another on the side of COVID fear. Even the most sceptical ones are still maintaining that lockdown was a good idea “if only it had been done a month earlier”. And the groups that do exist are mostly jam-packed with conspiracy theorists, making it very easy to discredit them.

I think that if Toby (or someone close to him) would organize a Lockdown Sceptics Party in the UK as long as he could keep out the more idiotic conspiracy theorists he would quite soon have created one of the largest political parties in the UK. But in the Netherlands we don’t even have a Toby Young or a lockdownsceptics.org website, I wouldn’t know who could even start that here.

(I will say though that the atmosphere is changing quite fast now in the Netherlands, even in the MSM you can start to see more and more sceptical voices. A bit late of course, and still way too friendly about the stupidity in the recent past, but definitely more than in the UK I think.)

116814 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 14, #45 of 1165 🔗

There is at least one lockdown sceptic website in the Netherlands, Toby had a link to it some while ago.

I would not make a very effective rioter as I have a dodgy back and asthma but try to do my little bit by not thinking twice about going shopping maskless and engaging in seditious anti lockdown conversation at every opportunity.

117340 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to karenovirus, 1, #46 of 1165 🔗

Likewise I’m a bit old for rioting, though fairly fit and healthy. I might be up for a bit of flyposting or putting subversive stickers on top of notices about compulsory masks etc.

116909 ▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 8, #47 of 1165 🔗

We’re not rioting because we haven’t reached the point of having nothing left to lose…yet.

116984 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Quernus, 4, #48 of 1165 🔗

Solzhenitsyn, “The Gulag Archipelago”.

117091 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Quernus, 5, #49 of 1165 🔗

We’re not rioting because we lack a point where we can communicate safely and privately with each other, so we’re not joined up
We started a local group on the KBF forum but it’s painfully slow progress with a clunky system.

Organisation depends on effective communication.

117079 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 6, #50 of 1165 🔗

That’s what we’re attempting to do with http://www.covid19assembly.org

It will begin in the Uk but spread globally. You could help by translating our content into Dutch!


117081 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 1, #51 of 1165 🔗

Or recruit some translators..!

116812 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to William Purle, 7, #52 of 1165 🔗

I’ve been asking myself the same, so today I’m going to go join the protest 🙂

116877 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to William Purle, 12, #53 of 1165 🔗

I’m beginning to wonder if that is their real intention to keep pushing our buttons to see how far they can get in their crazy power hungry drive towards totalitarianism.

Say NO to everything!

116921 ▶▶ pwl, replying to William Purle, 2, #54 of 1165 🔗

This thinking is the result of being controlled in opposition, where the options appear to be do nothing or riot.

More to the point, why aren’t you withholding council tax? Why aren’t you overtly disobeying to invite fines and arrest? This is the non violent action that is required. The answer is, because most Britons are abject cowards.

In which the Have-a-go Gestapo are fair warned

116923 ▶▶ pwl, replying to William Purle, #55 of 1165 🔗

(Without a link to avoid being moderated)
This thinking is the result of being controlled in opposition, where the options appear to be do nothing or riot.
More to the point, why aren’t you withholding council tax? Why aren’t you overtly disobeying to invite fines and arrest? This is the non violent action that is required. The answer is, because most Britons are abject cowards.

116946 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to William Purle, 1, #56 of 1165 🔗

Health and Wellness trumps human rights.

117027 ▶▶ Andrew, replying to William Purle, 3, #57 of 1165 🔗

There will be no riots until the food supply is affcted and people realise they are cornered.

117076 ▶▶ steve, replying to William Purle, 9, #58 of 1165 🔗

Went out for dinner last night with a couple friends. I picked them up and drive to the restaraunt.
wife told me this morning they were both wearing face nappies in the back of the car.

I’m fckin livid now.

All the staff at the restaraunt wearing masks, constantly pulling them back up over their faces. Talk about hygiene , touching sweat and snot stained cloth then picking your food plates knives forks up.

Wrote to the restaurant this morning. Thanked them for the nice meal but made my thoughts politely about the snotty masks.

Owner replied back saying it’s ok as the staff are getting used to the “new normal”. My second reply was not so polite.

There is no where left on this planet to go to now.

117342 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to steve, 1, #59 of 1165 🔗

Report their unhygienic behaviour to the local council or whoever is responsible for food hygiene standards.

117326 ▶▶ Edward, replying to William Purle, 2, #60 of 1165 🔗

It’s difficult to decide who we should be hitting. The Government, obviously, but they’re too well protected. Smashing up shops and looting would hinder our cause rather than helping it.

I wonder if there is a lowly minion somewhere in the Home Office with the task of monitoring this website in case any illegal activity is proposed.
Hey, minion! Why not join us? Think about it!

Meanwhile here’s something for them to pick up on. Let’s blow up the Houses of Parliament!

117479 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Edward, #61 of 1165 🔗

No point, there’s nobody there.
Nobody human, anyway.

116629 Sally, replying to Sally, 3, #62 of 1165 🔗

I won’t be convinced about HCQ until there’s some decent randomised controlled trials. I think that is a reasonable requirement in medicine.

116630 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Sally, #63 of 1165 🔗

Poo! I’m number two!!

116631 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Sally, 14, #64 of 1165 🔗

Well yes…but it’s a prophylactic as far as I understand so all those trials on nearly dead Covid patients are politicised attempts to discredit Trump by the PC Medical Mafia.

116634 ▶▶▶ Sally, replying to OKUK, 8, #65 of 1165 🔗

I know it’s politicised and it’s appalling. I’m not fan of the medical mafia. But I don’t want to see anything, be it HCQ or masks or remdesivir or vaccines, promulgated on the basis of inadequate data. I wouldn’t be happy with observational data for a new type of vaccine, for example.

116716 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Sally, 8, #66 of 1165 🔗

I think the difference between a new, rushed vaccine and HCQ is that vaccines run the risk of doing more harm than good, and it’s new. HCQ has been around for ages and as far as I know taken in the right doses doesn’t have widespread harmful side effects.

116746 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Julian, 14, #67 of 1165 🔗

With the exception of those who are in the most at risk category, why do we even need a vaccine for the majority of us. We can either achieve normal immunity or not suffer any more ill effects than from flu, which having had flu or some nasty strain while in the Middle East, was not something to repeat, but I am tired of the reliance on some vaccine as the only solution to normality.

116821 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nsklent, 5, #68 of 1165 🔗

Many people really are hoping that the miracle vaccine is just around the corner to save them from the Covid

Probably in much the same way that millions of Germans hoped that Hitlers Wonder Weapons would save them from the disaster he had brought down upon them.

116776 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sally, replying to Julian, 2, #69 of 1165 🔗

It may be relatively harmless in the “right” doses, and I’m sure it has been “suppressed” for political reasons. None of that addresses the objection that medicines have to be properly assessed for safety and efficacy. If researchers can conduct RCTs for other Covid treatments, like steroids, they can do it for this. I won’t take ANY medication unless it’s been properly assessed.

116796 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Sally, 5, #70 of 1165 🔗

What do you mean by “properly assessed”. HCQ has been used for 50+ years. Millions of people have used it mainly as an anti-malarial without side any serious or even long-term side effects. For efficacy you can refer to the graphs that show that where it was withheld in Western countries the death toll was much higher than in counties where it was available or used as anti-malarial.


116929 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Sally, 1, #71 of 1165 🔗

Would you take Penicillin?
When that was introduced there were no RCTs, it was on the basis of observational studies.

117097 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sally, 3, #72 of 1165 🔗

There’s no money to be made from HCQ.

Thalidomide and Tamiflu no doubt passed their RCTs, many of which are rigged and side-effects buried.

116737 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Sally, 6, #73 of 1165 🔗

Quinine, the anti-malarial drug and natural precursor to HCQ, was first used to treat respiratory diseases in 1889. HCQ has a long history of safe,prolomged and effective use in treatments for arthritis and lupus as well as malaria. The UKColumn article in my earlier post explains that there are people in powerful posts with vested interests that see HCQ as a competitor and have gone to great lengths to suppress it.

HCQ cheap, safe, effective and prophylactic treatments make vaccines completely unnecessary

116798 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to PastImperfect, 4, #74 of 1165 🔗

So are Vitamin C and D and zinc supplements. Lettuce is cheap too.

116811 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Two-Six, 2, #75 of 1165 🔗

Yes. A healthy diet, but don’t overdo the supplements.

116967 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PastImperfect, #76 of 1165 🔗

Nah, too boring.

116635 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sally, 4, #77 of 1165 🔗

Why Are Covid-19 Cases Soaring In NZ? PCR Test Update

Dr. Sam Bailey

Dr Sam talks about what is happening in NZ in regards to COVID-19 and important information you should know about the COVID-19 PCR Test.

116636 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sally, 16, #78 of 1165 🔗

Nobody should be force to take any form of medical treatment against their will.

Toby’s new mantra should be:

Enforced medication is the work of dictators

116639 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sally, 20, #79 of 1165 🔗

Piers Corbyn (arrival and speech) Stand Up X – Yorkshire. Peaceful Rally, Sheffield 05/9/20.


One thing that sickens me is everyone in the media keeps calling him a crank and a conspiracy theorist.

116659 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 33, #80 of 1165 🔗

He is a crank and a conspiracy theorist. However that doesn’t excuse the behaviour towards him, or the discrepancy in the behaviour towards him and other prominent protest groups.

I’m particularly annoyed with the government forcing me to defend him and his right to speak. Nobody should have to defend the right to speak in this country.

116705 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Lucan Grey, 23, #81 of 1165 🔗

Some of his ideas are questionable BUT his views on climate change in particular are scientifically valid.

116755 ▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Lucan Grey, 5, #82 of 1165 🔗

Never forget the label of crank,is used just like shouting racist no more than a tool to de legitimise the argument.

116756 ▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Lucan Grey, 17, #83 of 1165 🔗

Just because some of his ideas may be questionnable, doesn’t make him a crank. I can’t remember his interviewer, but the first I heard of Piers was an interview a couple of years ago on the reason for leaving the EU. His argument was well balanced and articulate. I imagine the lockdown zealots regard us as cranks. Actually, is not the whole response to this virus quite removed from sanity, so in the balance of things, Piers is more level headed than the majority of those in government.

116801 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Lucan Grey, 10, #84 of 1165 🔗

it is becoming increasingly clear that he is a “conspiracy factist”.

116945 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Lucan Grey, 4, #85 of 1165 🔗

AFAIK, he is derided as a crank primarily by the establishment warble gloaming mob.
He makes his money from Weather Action a private weather forecasting service, which has a marginally better track record than the met office.
His main thing is that Solar storms / output etc are the biggest influences on climate, which is heresy obviously.
As we aren’t allowed to stone unbelievers this week, he is a crank obvs.
Baby and bathwater.

116969 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Lucan Grey, #86 of 1165 🔗

They don’t want you to defend him because he is a crank. Cranks don’t count.

116695 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 26, #87 of 1165 🔗

The first issue is not whether Piers is mad but whether he is right. The second is that right or wrong, he has the right to express his views.

116730 ▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Basileus, 26, #88 of 1165 🔗

The first priority is that he has the right to express his views, regardless of their truth and/or sanity.

Peter Hitchens puts it very well, as he so often does

“We used to jeer that the so-called parliaments of Communist and Fascist states were mere rubber stamps. Well, we cannot jeer now.

The most shocking instance of this so far was the £10,000 fine imposed on the eccentric weather forecaster Piers Corbyn (brother of Jeremy) for his part in organising a protest in London.

That protest has, in my view, been wrongly portrayed as a mass of weirdos and conspiracy theorists.

No doubt such people, and worse, were there. But many went to it out of a feeling their liberties are fast disappearing under a strange new regime based on fear and panic. ”


116731 ▶▶▶▶ Alison9, replying to Basileus, 12, #89 of 1165 🔗

Quite a few people dismissed as “cranks” have turned out to be right.

116954 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Alison9, 1, #90 of 1165 🔗

Warren and Marshall were cranks, eventually they were awarded the Nobel for medicine, but they were stilll cranks in the eyes of the establishment:

116977 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Alison9, 5, #91 of 1165 🔗

Boris Johnson is a crank. Nicola Sturgeon is very cranky.

117123 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to richard riewer, 4, #92 of 1165 🔗

Some would say she’s Krankie as well

117168 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to DomW, #93 of 1165 🔗

Only in conjunction with Wee jimmy and a huge side order of confected simmering resentment at the world.

117134 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, #94 of 1165 🔗

I Hate TrainsThatcher was definitely a crank.
There are cranks ……. and cranks.

117129 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Alison9, #95 of 1165 🔗

Semmelweis is a clear example.

116853 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Basileus, 3, #96 of 1165 🔗

I remember Boris writing an article in praise of Piers re weather forecasting. Wish I could find it.

116939 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to crimsonpirate, 4, #97 of 1165 🔗

The man who repeatedly beats the Met Office at its own game
Piers Corbyn not only predicted the current weather, but he believes things are going to get much worse, says Boris Johnson.


116751 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 12, #98 of 1165 🔗

Unfortunately, including LS. If anyone had said a year ago, where we would be now, they would have called you a crank.

116916 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nsklent, 1, #99 of 1165 🔗

What about the people drawing up the lockdown plans that so suddenly swung into action with a breadth of detail that could not have been enacted off the cuff.
One small example being that the tiny number of Off Licences still remaining were specifically listed as ‘essential retail outlets’. Bet there was a heated argument about that one.

117122 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to karenovirus, 6, #100 of 1165 🔗

Yes, the coronavirus act is so long and detailed that there is NO WAY it was written in the days before it was enacted – it must have been drafted a *long time* ago..

117128 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #101 of 1165 🔗

I suspect there would have been riots otherwise.

117108 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #102 of 1165 🔗

It’s how they deal with truthsayers. Look at fb banning factual anti-lockdown content.

117145 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #103 of 1165 🔗

From the Center for Disease Control no less. My my my.

116640 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sally, 11, #104 of 1165 🔗

Studies show hydroxychloroquine cuts ‘virus mortality in half in high risk groups’


Sky News Australia

Yale University Professor Harvey Risch says all studies that examine the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine on high risk population groups show the drug is “uniformly beneficial” in treating COVID-19.

116644 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sally, 4, #105 of 1165 🔗

The term “Covid Safe” work environment worries a lot. It gives the impression that the virus is so deadly that you only have to touch something or talk to someone who’s not behind a plastic screen and you’re dead.

I have seen videos of mask factories in Indian slums on Youtube. And yet mask these are part of the “Covid Safe” mantra.

What worries me is that so many MPs seem to never question anything outside what they are told regarding Covid 19.

You would think with Covid 19 they would be able to do a huge amount of research outside the Government and its scientists’ mantras and contradictions.

The never seem to work out that you never normally test for an illness when somebody is not ill.

When you see TV images of testing it worries me. If anything looks like it would pass on infections it would be the testing:

Up close and personal with a swab – next please!!
Up close and personal with a swab – next please!!
Up close and personal with a swab – next please!!
Up close and personal with a swab – next please!!

Mumbai: Inferior masks with no filter made in slums.

116982 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #106 of 1165 🔗

Maybe these MPs are just lazy and lacking a curious mind?

116663 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Sally, 8, #108 of 1165 🔗

Cool, you should do that, me i’ll take it no problem. You need randomised controlled trials, me i’ll take the word of thousands of people saved by it

116672 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Biker, 4, #109 of 1165 🔗

Why stop at the thousands who claim they’re saved by HCQ? Billions are saved by God. Billions more are saved by an apparently different god. Hundreds of thousands claim masks are helping them. Good luck picking your team!

116709 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Tee Ell, 6, #110 of 1165 🔗

utterly stupid post, perfect for a sunday morning

116834 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Biker, -2, #111 of 1165 🔗

Yes, utterly stupid to trust scientific evidence and RCTs over anecdotes 😀

On yer bike!

117171 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Tee Ell, #112 of 1165 🔗

Do you take penicillin?

117207 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #113 of 1165 🔗

I don’t, because I haven’t had the need for it thankfully. But if I’m understanding the gist of your question correctly, then maybe an equivalent question would be – “have you ever taken hydroxychloroquine?”. And the answer is yes, I took it as prophylaxis for malaria while I was travelling in South America (not for very long I have to admit) – so I have no big concerns over its safety at that sort of dosage.

Also to second guess your thinking (in case you’ve read between the lines of my post and come to the conclusion that I’m somehow anti) – I’m not anti-HCQ. I’m simply a believer in looking for evidence that is more than anecdotal.

I’m amazed at how politicised this drug has become. Many of my friends believe it’s something dangerous or voodoo, purely because Trump was an advocate… and obviously if it’s something Trump advocates then the Guardian are against it. Despite it being administered very widely in Italy, Spain and France… countries we love. The Guardian didn’t mention that bit though. I’ve had to put a lot of friends / family right on this. So if you’re thinking I’m “one of those”, it’s not that!

117451 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Tee Ell, #114 of 1165 🔗

No, the gist is that penicillin was never put through an RCT, it was verified through basic observation only, a bit like HCQ.
Best evidence in favour of HCQ is the charts at:

116686 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Sally, 11, #115 of 1165 🔗

Correct in principle, but when the British Navy started to supply lemon juice to sailors to prevent scurvy there were no randomised trials but many lives were saved.

116924 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basileus, #116 of 1165 🔗

Actually there sort of were. The Officer/Doctor responsible tried a variety of different food trials with different crews and ships. About 8 I think, vinigar being the only other one I can recall.

116931 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to karenovirus, #117 of 1165 🔗

Double blind?

116966 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basileus, #118 of 1165 🔗

No idea but he trialled different foods simultaneously on lengthy voyages, the crew using lemon juice were healthy, the others less so. Apples were another one, I expect they rotted !

117220 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Judith Day, replying to karenovirus, #119 of 1165 🔗

Several different cures on one voyage, and his findings were not acted upon by the navy until many years later.

116714 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Sally, 2, #120 of 1165 🔗

Essential reading if you have a desire to be informed.


116762 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Sally, #121 of 1165 🔗

How many times:

116788 ▶▶ Richard Bevan, replying to Sally, 1, #122 of 1165 🔗

How can you do a randomised control test with patients who are potentially going to die if they don’t receive treatment? The efficacy of HCQ or any other potential treatment, has to be done on a metadata level.

117291 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Sally, #123 of 1165 🔗

I prefer whisky for a cold

116632 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 48, #124 of 1165 🔗

It is heartening to see demos and protests (albeit on a smaller scale than I would like) around the uk, but Mr Corbyn’s solicitor is right. We are becoming a police state, a medical tyranny ruled by alleged experts pulling the strings of politicians who are really not up to the job. Look at the Speaker suggesting that MPs be given Covid-19 tests every day so as to allow the House of Commons to return to normal. What does that man read? Why has he no clue about the inaccuracy of these tests?

116643 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Londo Mollari, 9, #125 of 1165 🔗

Speaker suggesting that MPs be given Covid-19 tests every day…… What does that man read?

That’s always worries me. Most MPs seem to never question anything outside what they are told.

You would think with Covid 19 they would be able to do a huge amount of research outside the Government and its scientist mantras and contradictions.

The never seem to work out that you never normally test for an illness when somebody is not ill.

When you see the testing if anything looks like it would pass on infections it would be the testing:

Up close and personal with a swab – next please!!
Up close and personal with a swab – next please!!
Up close and personal with a swab – next please!!
Up close and personal with a swab – next please!!

116681 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 14, #126 of 1165 🔗

The calibre of MPs have never been good even from the beginning of Edward I’s “Model Parliament” and I think they have gotten worse over the last 20-25 years. However in the past you did have titans like Peel, Palmerston, Gladstone and Disraeli, Chuchill, Atlee. Now you only have intellectual pygmies like Johnson, Wancock, Starmer, Dodds, Butler and Moran who would not even be trusted to run a lemonade stand much less our country.

116884 ▶▶▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to Bart Simpson, -4, #127 of 1165 🔗

If we want better brighter braver brilliant intelligent thinking people I reckon we (the population) would have to pay them more. Especially after this catastrophe, who would want to be out in the front? Only a narcissist.

117092 ▶▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Keen Cook, 5, #128 of 1165 🔗

Exactly the reverse; the political gravy train encourages careerists rather than those who wish to serve – as used to be the case when MPs actually had to pay to be there! Look, for example also at how so many GPs have become money-grubbers since Bliar doubled their salary and reduced their work-load!!!

117125 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #129 of 1165 🔗

The Speaker has diabetes, which probably colours his views somewhat..

117184 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, #130 of 1165 🔗

They could encase him in a perspex bubble and make him wear a face nappy plus a visor, while giving him time to bathe in sanitiser thrice a day.

116729 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to Londo Mollari, 14, #131 of 1165 🔗

I quite like the idea that MP’s should be tested every day and fully masked up, the site of MP’s with mouth and nose swabs being taken and masks worn every day, would really make my day. But I bet you it would not last long, the rules and laws would be rapidly changed. A classic case of one rule for them and another for us.

116774 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to cloud6, 5, #132 of 1165 🔗

And they should be made to sanitise their hands every 5 minutes and follow the cursed one way systems which will mean that it will take them forever to get to wherever they’re going. Bet they will vote to repeal all these “Covid safety” measures because they’re inconvenienced.

116991 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #133 of 1165 🔗

Quite right; the main reason why we are subjected to “security theatre” at airports is because the top 1% can fly in private jets, where they don’t need to be subjected to that nonsense.

117188 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #134 of 1165 🔗

Unfortunately, when Rees-Mogg tried to get them all back into the House, it was unworkable because of the antisocial-distancing rules. They used the chaos as an excuse to bugger off back home.

Clever move R-M!

117315 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #135 of 1165 🔗

I always thought that if they’re too chicken to do their duty and go back, how about their salaries should be slashed down to minimum wage and they’re banned from claiming expenses?

Bet they’ll be back faster than you can say “Covid 19”

116824 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to cloud6, 3, #136 of 1165 🔗

Would enjoy seeing a debate in Parliament with all MPs masked up – especially whoever is doing the speaking (Johnson?). Let’s see how they like it.

116771 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Londo Mollari, 4, #137 of 1165 🔗

I would guess, besides the irrationality of his statement, that none of them have yet had a swab, and are unaware how unpleasant it is to have your tonsils and brain tickled by this invasive procedure. Once is more than enough.

116933 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nsklent, #138 of 1165 🔗

They have run out of testing kit so it’s all a bit academic anyway, bunch of tossers.

117193 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nsklent, #139 of 1165 🔗

Weren’t there three or four who had “it” in the early days. They were said to have been tested.
We haven’t heard of any others since. Skiving off at home is clearly very effective.

117086 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #140 of 1165 🔗

I could see the Opposition MPs (especially the SNP) having to self isolate permanently if that were the case.

117181 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #141 of 1165 🔗

One of the best ways to show people that it’s safe to function normally, therefore getting the economy functioning again, would be if the MPs all got their bums back, cheek to cheek, on the Parliamentary benches.

Unfortunately, given all the ridiculous, convoluted “covid-safe” rules that have been inflicted upon long-suffering businesses, HMG have backed themselves into a corner and will have to jump through some silly hoops of their own in order to function old-normally.

What a perfect excuse to continue the mockdown and government by SI.

117410 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Londo Mollari, #142 of 1165 🔗

Good idea, let them suffer their own demented policies. Maybe then they’ll get fed up like the rest of us.

116633 BobT, replying to BobT, 33, #143 of 1165 🔗

Today’s headline number of cases is 344,164 which is a big scary number even though it is only about 0.5% of the population.

But when is a case not a case?

1/ Lets start with the fact that this is a cumulative number of recorded positive tests since February and obviously the vast majority of these cases have recovered from the virus and the patients immune systems have cleared their bodies of it yet they are still, and presumably always will be, counted as a case. Prof Heneghan cleared up a similar issue with the death count which caused PHE to revise down their figures yet I have seen no attempt to revise the cases count accordingly.
The universally adopted quarantine period is 14 days so can we presume that anyone who tested positive more than 14 days ago has now cleared the virus and should no longer be counted as a case? If so, we should subtract the recovered cases from the total (most of them) which would leave a bout 30k actual active cases. This figure would be much more honest and ethical for Govt and media to present as an indicator of the severity of the outbreak.
In business, figures presented which were in error by an order of magnitude would be misrepresentation which would nullify any contract entered into on the basis of those numbers. My understanding is that, as citizens, we have entered into a Social Contract with our Government which they have clearly broken.

2/ The brilliant and indomitable Prof. Heneghan has more recently turned his attention to the PCR test and noted that the extremely high sensitivity of this test which can detect even a single strand of Covid-19 RNA/DNA (which may be dead or alive) may be leading to many positive tests results of people who are not infectious. The BBC wrote about this today and the subject has also been discussed in the US media.
We do not know the number of non infectious positive cases but the number is knowable by analysing the cycle threshold of the tests or the shape of the curve of increasing fluorescence during the PCR lab test. It seems that the labs were not asked to record this data or report it in the test results therefore we are presently blind to this. It has been proposed that it could be hundreds or thousands of test positive folk along with their contacts and acquaintances who have been quarantined when they were not infectious. If this is not a human rights issue, I do not know what is.
As I said, we do not know the actual number of non infectious positives but we do know its a lot. Just to play with numbers for now, lets take the lower figure above of 100:1 and apply it to the number of actual cases which I calculated at 30k above we could end up in the reality that there may be only 300 actively infectious individuals (real cases) in the UK. This likely explains why there are presently less than 10 daily deaths giving a CFR of 3%which sounds about right.

There are a multitude of Profs and Dr’swho are members of SAGE so how come they could not have flagged this up earlier and it took a lone Prof. who is not a member of SAGE to work this out? The answer clearly is in the name of the organisation which Prof. Heneghan runs; the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine at Oxford.

Ah, yes, evidence, honesty and ethics Would that not be a wonderful thing in these times?

I accuse the academia (which I agree is a bit forward for a man who failed his English O level) who are members of SAGE, along with the politicians controlling them, of all having a weak intellect which has led to the disatrous situation we find ourselves in.

116676 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to BobT, 3, #144 of 1165 🔗

To be fair, the government does report around 26,000 people are currently “infected” (v close to your calculation)

116637 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #145 of 1165 🔗

Piers Corbyn (arrival and speech) Stand Up X – Yorkshire. Peaceful Rally, Sheffield 05/9/20.

One thing that sickens me is everyone in the media keeps calling him a crank and a conspiracy theorist.

116646 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #146 of 1165 🔗

My only surprise is that (thus far) he hasn’t been given a massive dose of COVID

116938 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tom Blackburn, #147 of 1165 🔗

Perhaps he will get The Covid Treatment in the Police cell

116990 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #148 of 1165 🔗

Bertrand Russell was jailed on several occasions throughout his life.

116638 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 9, #149 of 1165 🔗

Face Mask Factory | Carl Vernon


Would your mask fanatics want to wear a mask after seeing this?

116690 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 11, #150 of 1165 🔗

Good question and he does raise pertinent points as well. I always have to laugh at those who virtue signal with their muzzles in “fetching” and “cute” colours and prints, bet they don’t bother to think and ask where they come from or how they’re made.

116710 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to 2 pence, 4, #152 of 1165 🔗

Interesting set of links.

The lives of Black people in Rochester, NY, will not be improved by hounding out the ‘middle classes’ who pay the taxes as has happened in NYC.

I have four generations of family in NSW, I’ll find out what they think of their friendly neighbourhood bobby turning into a starship trooper goon.

Judging from comments in the Mail, police
harassment of Piers Corbyn is turning a little known ‘crank’ into a martyr and National Hero. A common error made by dictators that Johnson should have foreseen.

No surprise to see the residents of St. Petersburg behaving sensibly; further Toby’s ‘Postcard from Kyev’*, I was in that city in 1976 when it was clear the Citizens were adapt at paying lip service to the requirements of the regime. We liberated an entire Soviet Red Army uniform for a few packets of Marlboro and I still possess the brass Hammer & Cycle belt clasp.
We have a lot to learn from the Russians/Ukrainians.

*I know they are in different countries but that was then and this is now.

116642 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 17, #153 of 1165 🔗

Chatting to my favourite Turkish taxi I driver about the Carl Heneghan piece on the BBC website.

“What happened to the BBC ? When I was growing up in Afghanistan when the Mullahs called for prayer we stop being noisy but chat among ourselves but when my father listens to the BBC (world service) everyone must be quiet.
All Afghan people listen to the BBC, my father Afghan army officer, al Qaeda, Taliban everybody.
“But then it changed and now my relatives and in friends in Turkey and Afghan have not even heard of the BBC, only maybe a few old men in the mountains”.

116649 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 14, #154 of 1165 🔗

You don’t even need to go to Afghanistan. During the attempted Tejero coup in Spain in 1981, thousands of Spaniards trusted the BBC to report accurately what was happening in their own country.
A few months later, the BBC axed its Spanish-speaking service.

116997 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #155 of 1165 🔗

Attila the Hen?

116777 ▶▶ mjr, replying to karenovirus, 8, #156 of 1165 🔗

Once upon a time there were fewer radio stations. Most were state owned/controlled. And reception was limited. At that time, BBC broadcast on long wave, short wave , and as mentioned below, the World Service was well funded and broadcast in numerous language. So when your taxi drivers father listened to the radio, he had a choice of Afghan radio , maybe russian , and the BBC (broadcasting in Pashto). And in those days, BBC had a reputation of speaking the truth.
Today there is multimedia, internet, and news from all over the world. BBC world service is shrinking and is no longer trustworthy, and so no longer relevant to such people

116951 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, 3, #157 of 1165 🔗

The World Service used to be funded by the Foreign & Commonwealth Office, once that ceased the beeb would have found it easier to put in their sort of people.

116789 ▶▶ peter, replying to karenovirus, 8, #158 of 1165 🔗

It was the BBC’s insideous lies about 9/11 which led to the total destruction of Afghanistan, no wonder they don’t listen to it anymore.

116818 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to peter, 2, #159 of 1165 🔗

The BBC used a team of people who worked on The Archers to do an Afghan version of The Archers. Brainwashing for the ordinary folk of Afghanistan….

116645 snippet, replying to snippet, 46, #160 of 1165 🔗

I had the face mask conversation with my family this weekend and no one else feels horrified by them like I do.

Arguments against me:
(1) It’s a minor inconvenience. Really? More like a fundamental erasure of human identity.
(2) It’s only temporary. Really? Will you say that after a year, two years, five years? What’s the exit strategy?
(3) If you believe in democracy, you should follow all of the rules, otherwise you might as well live in an anarchy.

I explained that there are no randomised controlled trials that have found that they are effective and that I worry about the psychological impact, particularly on children, but these points fell on deaf ears.

Judging by their widespread use, I can only assume these are common views.

116650 ▶▶ annie, replying to snippet, 13, #161 of 1165 🔗

Excellent reasons for being a subhuman and living in a cage.
I dare say hamsters don’t find living in cages and going round in little wheels particularly irksome, either.

116651 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to snippet, 10, #162 of 1165 🔗

The fact that anyone could make and believe point #3 is frightening.

116664 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, 8, #163 of 1165 🔗

The point of compliance is compliance itself

117420 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Lockdown_Lunacy, #164 of 1165 🔗

That same argument was used against hippies in the 60s. Most of them grew up and became respectable middle class people. So it’s not an original idea.

117797 ▶▶▶▶ rational actor, replying to ConstantBees, #165 of 1165 🔗

No, quite a lot of hippies grew up facilitating the woke stupidity we see now. They are not blameless, because they set the scene for their children and grandchildren adopting weirder and more destructive ideas, and then patting them on head and telling them how righteous they were. The point is that if you are going to object to the practices of a democracy, you need to object to something concrete that is genuinely destructive, and not just bitch because The Man and his rules bring you down. Much of this crap we experience today started with dirty hippies, and we should not forget that.

116678 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to snippet, 12, #166 of 1165 🔗

People have bought into the panic idea that a second wave is about to hit us and feel they are doing their bit to prevent this by wearing a facemask. Not sure how long this second wave idea can keep going with no evidence

116983 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #167 of 1165 🔗

A bit like pushing the button on a Pedestrian crossing, it rarely affects the lights sequences but makes people feel good.

117422 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to karenovirus, #168 of 1165 🔗

I’ve convinced myself that walking back and forth triggers the sensor that points at pedestrians. Better than standing there pushing the button.

116680 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to snippet, 18, #169 of 1165 🔗

Similar conversation with a friend last night. She did the “it’s only for a little while” thing too.

Oh really? Until when? Are you OK with Christmas? Or next April? Or 2027?

she came back with “when there is a vaccine”

to which I told her we had been developing a vaccine for RSV for FIFTY YEARS and still no guarantee we might get one, and that not only kills old people but little babies too.

116986 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sophie123, 6, #170 of 1165 🔗

Oh yes, like lockdown was going to be for two weeks, perhaps three.

116698 ▶▶ Northern Chubs, replying to snippet, 31, #171 of 1165 🔗

Don’t be disheartened. You are doing important work. You are planting seeds of information that whilst they appear to have been dismissed, they will start to grow in the minds of people until one day some of them might say “You know what, you were right about the mask situation.”

Keep planting seeds.

116799 ▶▶▶ Coronamoana, replying to Northern Chubs, 14, #172 of 1165 🔗

Yes, true. I had a disagreement with my brother-in-law back in May, when I questioned various aspects of the situation (classification of deaths, efficacy of measures). A couple of weeks ago, he apologised and said I had been right. It’s tough to concede so I have huge respect for him. The government should take a leaf out of his book.

116989 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Coronamoana, 6, #173 of 1165 🔗

The Government of Norway did just that several weeks ago, apologising for their unnecessary lockdown.

117792 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to karenovirus, #174 of 1165 🔗

I think they got sued though, early on, and took a bit of a hammering on their tracking app.. so that may have been a factor. Fair play to them though.

117133 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Coronamoana, #175 of 1165 🔗

What made him change his mind?

117001 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Northern Chubs, 2, #176 of 1165 🔗

And use good fertilizer.

117791 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Northern Chubs, #177 of 1165 🔗

^ This. It’s why every [decent] lawyer in court will thrown out a sarcastic comment, or a blatant attack on a witness every so often, knowing it will be over-ruled and the Judge will instruct everyone to make sure it is stricken from the record… do you really think it’s stricken from people’s minds? nah!

116720 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to snippet, 10, #178 of 1165 🔗

Many people I know always trot out the same arguments when it comes to muzzle wearing. One that would make me want to reach for a machete or AK-47 is “I’m wearing this to keep you safe” or a variation thereof.

Makes you wonder how they will react when its revealed that this virus isn’t really as deadly as once thought and/or masks were totally useless.

116741 ▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #179 of 1165 🔗

As per the excellent above the line quote it will take very much more data to disabuse them of their beliefs than it took to convince them. Thomas Kuhn discusses this in his classic text, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions.

116769 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Strange Days, 5, #180 of 1165 🔗

Exactly. They’re so far gone or if they’ve twigged that something is not right they will refuse to admit that they’ve been had.

116826 ▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Strange Days, 4, #181 of 1165 🔗

Its easier to fool someone than convince them they have been fooled.

117010 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Strange Days, 3, #182 of 1165 🔗

You need a modern day Wat Tyler. With a better outcome than the first time around.

116780 ▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to snippet, 3, #183 of 1165 🔗

Sadly they are. My brother advanced all of the arguments above. My Wife and my Dad is in my side though. So at least I am not alone in my family.

116813 ▶▶ Cbird, replying to snippet, 5, #184 of 1165 🔗

Not in my (generally compliant) family. They are (almost) all sick to the teeth of them. But don’t want the hassle of confrontation, or the risk of a fine. Many others I have spoken to feel the same. I think they just want a green light to take them off

116866 ▶▶▶ snippet, replying to Cbird, 1, #185 of 1165 🔗

I think most people are in this category. When though?

116819 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to snippet, 2, #186 of 1165 🔗

All my family are brainwashed. It’s really really bad.

116979 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to snippet, 4, #187 of 1165 🔗

Did you mention that masks provide a nice damp warm environment for the propagation of their own expelled bacteria and they are likely to come down with self induced pulmonary or bronchial tract disease ?
The ‘Petri Dish Effect’.

117208 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to snippet, 3, #188 of 1165 🔗

When I was a child common colds led to pneumonia, my parents wore masks when they had colds. I caught them every time. Yesterday my cleaner wore a N95 mask to protect her from my cats. Today she is hardly able to breathe with her allergies. On that evidence alone, masks seem pretty useless. I don’t wear one for health reasons. I wish more people would look at the evidence.

117795 ▶▶ rational actor, replying to snippet, #190 of 1165 🔗

Living in a democracy does not mean that you follow rules, it means that you participate in making the rules you follow. But yes, edumacation is probably so poor that people really think the former is true. By the way, what were their reactions to BLM and ExReb, who really were behaving anarchically? Did they complain about these people? Why not?

Did you really pursue the ‘exit strategy’ question? I like this because it forces people to think about their assumptions and, if you’re lucky, start thinking about how things could be different. Or it should. Sometimes they just freak and hide, like my sister’s in-laws who are sure they are going to die. I’d like to tell them that if they are going to die they’d a done it, but I’m not allowed.

117209 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to annie, 1, #192 of 1165 🔗
116653 TJN, replying to TJN, 27, #193 of 1165 🔗

This morning I’m raising my cup of tea to Piers Corbyn.

116669 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 14, #194 of 1165 🔗

Yes, he’s got more courage than any of our elected (so called) representatives. As Biker says though, where is his brother …

116674 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to kh1485, 31, #195 of 1165 🔗

I kind of feel in awe of him. When I see what he’s doing it makes me question what I’m doing myself. What more can I realistically do? I’m not a demonstration person or anything, and anyway down here is far too sedate for anything like that.

As a little nod to Piers C., I wasn’t going to go to the shops today but will now do so, and get a packet of crisps or something – unmuzzled of course.

And tomorrow I’ll write yet again to Geoffrey Cox, my MP – calling him out for cowardice.

Also tomorrow it’s our little girl’s first day at school. Parents have been instructed to be muzzled up. Presumably we’ll be the only ones unmuzzled.

Just keeping chipping away …

116692 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to TJN, 20, #196 of 1165 🔗

Me too, he’s very brave. I’m also making my (very small) stand where I can – leaflets in my shop; going mask-less and not relying on the lanyard and boring anyone who will listen about the dystopia that we are being subjected to.

I wrote twice to my MP and I didn’t get a response to the second e-mail (the first response was the usual guff that everyone else has received – probably a standard response that they just copy and paste!). As far as I can see, she doesn’t give a toss about her constituents (I’m not even certain she lives here). I’ve seen just one picture of her (as I predicted) posing next to all the social distancing crap that they’ve vandalised our lovely market town with.

Good luck tomorrow. I heard that our High School is not making mask-wearing in class mandatory and that it will be optional in the corridors. I certainly hope that is the case. Kids need to be kids and what they are being subjected to is criminal.

117005 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 2, #197 of 1165 🔗

Our local high schools opened just for first years and only on Friday, one parent told me her daughters new school was pretty relaxed. The major new thing was a new set of huts for classes in the playground to thin out the use of those in the school itself.

116846 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to TJN, 2, #198 of 1165 🔗

Yes. But he is fighting under their rules.

I haven’t made up my mind about these people


But they may be on to something and they apparently reckon they will be able to challenge under common law. They also appear to have a substantial list of affiliated organisations – including Piers.

117018 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PastImperfect, 3, #199 of 1165 🔗

But they haven’t received the government’s seal of approval and grant of immunity like Black LIves Matter and Extinction Rebellion.

117011 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to TJN, 1, #200 of 1165 🔗

Know any hacking techniques? Go after Globalink. They are connected everywhere, to everyone.

117032 ▶▶▶▶ H K, replying to TJN, 3, #201 of 1165 🔗

TJN – I agree 100%. I have such massive respevt for Piers. He has huge courage to do what he does!
I don’t know where you live, but there will be another Trafalgar Square on the 19th & 26th Sept. There are others around the country too each week.
Check out http://www.standupx.info for details.
You may not agree with all the views but we all oppose the lockdown measures and they are all very peaceful.

117240 ▶▶▶▶▶ Judith Day, replying to H K, 1, #202 of 1165 🔗

Thanks for this link; lots of useful and interesting stuff.

117473 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to TJN, 1, #203 of 1165 🔗

To all replies to my post above – sorry I haven’t been back, but I’ve been out all day.

On my unnecessary visit to Tesco today saw three unmuzzled people – a pleasant surprise and major progress for down here.

Keep on buggering on, as Churchill said.

116655 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 1, #204 of 1165 🔗

Morning, is anyone able to confirm this story? I.e. we’re all the 60000 deaths due to flu or were they excess deaths? Also, with respect to the figures per 100000 at the end of the article, are these correct, since they are far higher than the case figures being used now to determine lockdowns?

116660 ▶▶ matt, replying to Moomin, 3, #205 of 1165 🔗

2017-18 was certainly a bad recent ‘flu season. I’ve seen various death figures quoted, with the one in the article above being at the upper end of the scale, but 50,000 is about the lowest I’ve seen. I’ve also seen a BMJ article refuting the numbers..

Interestingly, the way that the numbers are questioned comes down to a “with or of” argument – i.e. yes these people died, but they died _with_ ‘flu, not necessarily _of_ ‘flu. Excess deaths is about the best measure we have to give a picture of how something is actually affecting the population, but it’s imperfect, because it’s only a comparison to the average of preceding years’ death totals. Regardless, it’s not a binary thing – you can die “of” ‘flu/Covid or “with” ‘flu/Covid and still be an excess death.

116744 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Moomin, 6, #206 of 1165 🔗

Flu has never been tracked like this virus has. Usually they have a baseline average and at the end of a season/year they attribute any deaths that look like flu and don’t fit anything else into the flu category. I’m not sure of the specifics but that’s generally how it’s been done.

If they tested for flu like they have been for this virus then the numbers would be completely different. Think of all the people who in the past died of other conditions but would also have tested positive for flu. Flu would look like a much bigger cause of death much as COVID19 does now.

116766 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Moomin, 5, #207 of 1165 🔗

the fundamental difference is that flu has never been a reportable disease. So data relating to flu deaths is dodgy. Covid is a reportable disease hence it is recorded as a cause whenever there has been a positive test

116870 ▶▶▶ Moomin, replying to mjr, 1, #208 of 1165 🔗

Thanks for all the replies.

116657 Lucan Grey, 3, #209 of 1165 🔗

Another study shows HCQ works”

Which is interesting because the vignette from “ Professor Carl Heneghan and his team at the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine.” says it doesn’t.


Is it possible to have a chat with the professor and get the circle squared, because we could do with a consistent message.

116662 Biker, replying to Biker, 45, #210 of 1165 🔗

Why doesn’t Corbyn’s brother turn up and lets us see if he has any balls. We need people like his brother who’ve pretended to be fucking revolutionaries all their lives to prove it now. Where are the conservatives who were so brave over brexit from the comfort of an office or tv show now? Seems to me that these people in Westminster are all cowards, wankers and shills.

116688 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Biker, 12, #211 of 1165 🔗

Agree – the political classes have shown themselves up to be complete shithouses

116693 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Biker, 9, #212 of 1165 🔗

I think Jeremy Corbyn’s constituency is North London and probably full of mask wearing lockdown enthusiasts. But we do need a few MPs to break cover and oppose this hoo-haa.

116697 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #213 of 1165 🔗

It just occurred to me that Jeremy Corbyn must be loving all this. I mean, he’s acheived probably everything he wanted to, without the inconvenience of being Prime Minister!

116795 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 9, #214 of 1165 🔗

Economic shambles, astronomical job losses, education in chaos, health service unfit for purpose …
Does sound like a Labour wet dream.

117020 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, -1, #215 of 1165 🔗

Sounds more like a Labour led government.

117411 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to annie, 2, #216 of 1165 🔗

This sounds like the political equivalent of saying that non-mask wearers are trying to kill someone’s granny.

Attributing the desire to harm as Labour’s motive is equally nonsensical.

As a leftie, perhaps I should counter with Tories are out to kill the poor.

/end of rant.

117143 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Steve Martindale, #217 of 1165 🔗

We have friends who live in Harringay, academics and very worshipful of Corbyn who buy this govt’s bollox… why?

116723 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Biker, 5, #218 of 1165 🔗

Agree. Not just cowards, wankers and shills but idiots and hypocrites too.

117015 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 2, #219 of 1165 🔗

I seem to remember that they don’t get on particularly well, rather like Chis (R.I.P.) and Peter Hitchins.

117019 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Biker, 1, #220 of 1165 🔗

They’ve all been muzzled. Those who disagree should form another party. Now.

117215 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Biker, -1, #221 of 1165 🔗

Is this a day for utter wankers like you to spew unreadable pish? You lefty cunts can fuck off and catch the fucking cold.

117416 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Biker, 3, #222 of 1165 🔗

You know, we are all supposedly here because of the unnecessary restrictions on our freedom caused by the hysterical reaction to a largely non-lethal virus. Telling us “lefty cunts” to “fuck off” does not help us achieve the goal of getting out of this situation. I suspect it makes you feel better to attack someone who’s here and listening to you, as opposed to the Conservative government which is ignoring you.

117234 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Biker, -2, #223 of 1165 🔗

The idea you think Corbyn had the first clue what this country needed shows me you are utterly moronic and as such i can’t be bothered with you. You’re lucky that other people are there to save you because if Corbyn had control of anything other than collecting sewer cover numbers we’d be finished.
It never ends despite evidence lefties just won’t admit that forcing people to do what they want doesn’t work. Their economics are the same as this lockdown bullshit. It don’t work. I can’t believe i’m wasting my fucking time responding to a cunt like you. Oh and i do give a fuck, i give a fuck about my personal freedom and yours its just you’re to fucking stupid too know. I do know anther thing fuckers like you won’t leave me alone, you want what i got and will use force to take it

116665 dpj, replying to dpj, 11, #224 of 1165 🔗

Following Ian Brown yesterday it looks like Jeff Stelling has now decided to come off the fence as well. Lets hope a few more celibrities start to do the same https://twitter.com/JeffStelling/status/1301271508317331456

116792 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to dpj, 1, #225 of 1165 🔗

Kairotic moment for lockdown scepticism? 😉

117227 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to dpj, 1, #226 of 1165 🔗

When I look at the tweet I can see it (and hundreds of supportive comments), but also a message “This tweet is from a suspended account.”
Presumably ‘suspended’ for unorthodox thinking.

117267 ▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to BTLnewbie, #227 of 1165 🔗

I’m really impressed by the ratio of supportive to critical comments (the latter around 5-10% at best). Definitely a contrast to the response to Ian Brown yesterday.

116666 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 40, #228 of 1165 🔗

I wonder if those police officers manhandling Piers Corbyn would like their elderly parents treated in such a way. What a horrible, horrible world we live in.

116668 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to kh1485, 19, #229 of 1165 🔗

Five police officers as well! Did they fear he might cut up rough?

116670 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Ned of the Hills, 18, #230 of 1165 🔗

Oh yes, real brave. Like the one who came into my shop to warn me about my alleged offence of serving a cup of tea to someone in my shop …

116675 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #231 of 1165 🔗

He’s handy with the steel. Or he’s DaBomb

116677 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 13, #232 of 1165 🔗

Agree. Hypocritical as well – one rule for sceptics another one for Extinction Rebellion and BLM.

116671 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 5, #233 of 1165 🔗

After six days plodding in the Lake District I’ve picked up five masks? Is this a record?

Four different styles.

I’ve stuffed them in the back pocket of my rucksack which means I can’t now say that I haven’t got a mask!

116685 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Ned of the Hills, 12, #234 of 1165 🔗

I do a litter pick around my village lanes once a week. It’s only about a mile and a half of rural lanes.

As well as discarded coffee cups and drinks bottles my tally now regularly includes 2-3 masks and similar quantity of pairs of gloves. Disgusting.

116707 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Sophie123, 5, #235 of 1165 🔗

They make me heave.

117029 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #236 of 1165 🔗

Chambers 20C dictionary ‘to wear’ “to have about ones person”. Oh dear Ned.

117366 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Ned of the Hills, #237 of 1165 🔗

There were a couple floating round pavements of Ludlow yesterday with blood in them and one with a hypodermic syringe so be careful.

116682 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 34, #238 of 1165 🔗

I once had the privilege of listening to a holocaust survivor speak

One person asked him why they did not leave Germany as soon as Hitler came to power

I know all of this will be well known to many of you, but it was chilling to hear it first hand

He explained the oppression was applied in increments, over many years

It started with the ‘registration’ of the Jews for merely ‘administrative purposes’. As each ‘minor’ infringement of their liberties was applied, collectively the Jews took no action.
If individuals did question or protest it was taken as confirmation of their malevolence

Then it was to late

It’s important to remember the press, the politicians. school teachers, the churches etc supported and in some cases praised every action that the National Socialists took

Having listened to him speak in detail about the process; I compare it to what is now being done in Britain today in the cause of the ‘greater good’

We have taken no action. In my opinion things have gone beyond the point of redemption.

It’s here, it’s now, and it is too late

116683 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cecil B, 11, #239 of 1165 🔗

It’s never too late.

116684 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #240 of 1165 🔗

I hope you prove me wrong

116689 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Cecil B, -4, #241 of 1165 🔗

You haven’t presented something that can be measured, so there can be no proof either way, only further subjective assessment.

What is here, what is it too late for?

116696 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tee Ell, 4, #242 of 1165 🔗

Would the Jews of 1930s Germany been able to ‘measure’ it

116700 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Cecil B, 4, #243 of 1165 🔗

If the frog had a thermometer it would see it getting hot. Perhaps a set of occurences could be theorised as an alarm system. Widespread political policing migth be about 80 degrees celcius on a frog thermometer.

116761 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Cecil B, #244 of 1165 🔗

The quotes go around “it”, not “measure”.

116748 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Tee Ell, #245 of 1165 🔗

Which part of the word ‘opinion’ didn’t you understand

116754 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Cecil B, -1, #246 of 1165 🔗

I didn’t really know what “it” meant. Sounded like empty rhetoric and lazy Godwin’s invocation to me. Seems other people are grasping it though, so I’ll butt out.

116759 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #247 of 1165 🔗

Proof of tyranny is all around you.
Is it too late to stop this,that is subjective but Cecil B said it was his opinion.

116815 ▶▶▶ Alison9, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #248 of 1165 🔗

Absolutely. Things change all the time – at this moment, the power is with those in charge but there are a hell of a lot of us and if the energy within the masses shifts (and it can be shifting out of sight before it erupts to the surface) then who knows what will happen. Certainly the fat lady isn’t singing just yet … and not just because she’s been banned!

117028 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Alison9, 1, #249 of 1165 🔗

They haven’t passed the Obesity Law yet.

116738 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Cecil B, 12, #250 of 1165 🔗

A reminder of the Martin Niemöller poem is pertinent here

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

117259 ▶▶▶ Judith Day, replying to mjr, 5, #251 of 1165 🔗

Living in Germany in the early 60s, I spoke to many Germans about the extermination camps and other Nazis atrocities. Most of them said they knew nothing nothing about the camps, but those that did know said that they thought that the stories they heard were too terrible to believe;
“We are Germans” they said to themselves, “we are civilised people, we don’t do things like that, it is all Allied propaganda”.

I am often reminded of them when I hear those such as Piers Corbyn being called cranks and conspiracy nuts.

116804 ▶▶ Heather Sharp, replying to Cecil B, 3, #252 of 1165 🔗

The gradual erosion of Jews’ civil liberties and the disappearance of friends and neighbours, are well captured in the diaries of Victor Klemperer, a Polish languages scholar. The creeping horror of what he experienced under the Third Reich – two volumes cover 1933-1945 – is at times almost unbearable.

117050 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Heather Sharp, #253 of 1165 🔗

Ironically it was the firestorm bombing of Dresden that allowed Klemperer to escape a late Gestapo round up and survive the war.

117025 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cecil B, 1, #254 of 1165 🔗

Secretly, many of today’s politicians love the Nazi style of government.

117042 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to richard riewer, 1, #255 of 1165 🔗

Do you mean the bizarre type of divide and rule Hitler practised within his own regime ? Setting out a general policy objective and letting underlings in different departments fight between themselves over how to achieve it. The Jewish Question being just the most well known.
Might account for some of the many inconsistencies of late.

117421 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to richard riewer, #256 of 1165 🔗

And large swathes of the population too…

117035 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 1, #257 of 1165 🔗

Typewriters were the first things to be confiscated, the then modern way to disseminate information.

Sad to say but many wealthy and connected German Jews fled abroad leaving their poorer brethren to their fate.

116687 Mike, replying to Mike, 35, #258 of 1165 🔗

Can we please stop calling the people protesting, such as Piers Corbyn ‘Cranks’ etc. For god sake don’t people get it yet; for the majority of the sheeple out there, particularly the terrified bed wetters, we ARE conspiracy theorists.

It doesn’t matter how much better and informed we think we are over ‘climate change deniers’ or ‘5G theorist’. Many of these people (granted not all) have spent time and effort researching these things and feel relatively well informed. Is that so very different from us with regards to COVID.

But it is a poor showing on our part to sneer at these ‘cranks’ in the same condescending manner as the COVID zealots do to us. Start to realise that to the masses we are already ‘cranks’; it may be time we embrace it.

116694 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Mike, 5, #259 of 1165 🔗

I said the other day that we need to empower ourselves and reclaim the work covidiot

116732 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Mike, 23, #260 of 1165 🔗

just a correction. There is no such thing as a climate change denier. That is just a term invented to associate anybody who disagrees or questions the current approved BBC narrative with holocaust deniers. Everyone acknowledges that the climate is changing . It changes all the time.. Once upon a time we had glaciers covering England and that wasnt just a harsh winter. The argument is whether the current change is natural or man made and the science is not settled. However one side refuses to discuss.

116850 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Mike, 11, #261 of 1165 🔗

Somebody posted this excellent quote the other day..

I like this definition by Prof Dave Callum of Cornell University:
“I am a ‘conspiracy theorist’. I believe men and women of wealth and power conspire. If you don’t think so, then you are what is called ‘an idiot’. If you believe stuff but fear the label, you are what is called ‘a coward’.

117030 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mike, 2, #262 of 1165 🔗

Get crankier! Add a camshaft.

117110 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Mike, 4, #263 of 1165 🔗

100% this. Very well said. Just as many Trump supporters wear the title ‘Deplorable’ with pride so should we with ‘Conspiracy theorist’. To me, it just means that we’re prepared to question dogmatic opinions.

116699 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 9, #264 of 1165 🔗

Towards the end of August the Irish Republic went a full week without a recorded Covid death for the first time since mid March. I emailed an Irish contact to ask if this got much coverage in the media? No it did not – the focus has been on the rising number of “cases”

The decline in mortality figures clearly does not fit the narrative which is needed.

Yesterday, the number of cases hit 231- the highest since mid May. That is getting coverage.

117093 ▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #265 of 1165 🔗

The “media” here in Ireland is completely bought. I’d be happy to see each and every one of them bankrupted as no news would be better than the sh1t they are producing.

116701 matt, replying to matt, 24, #266 of 1165 🔗

I’ve been obsessing about this overnight, while trying to get to sleep (annoying) and interestingly I wake up this morning to find the “sceptical scientist” article above touching on some of the points I was going through in my head.

Mentally preparing myself for an argument with someone, it suddenly occurred to me that it shouldn’t be an argument at all. There is no case for lockdown or for masks or for the more extreme social distancing methods that relies on anything more than blind faith, voodoo and what the scientist above the line refers to as “assumed efficacy”.

There wasn’t a shred of real world evidence available in the middle of March to say that lockdowns would work. There couldn’t have been, because nobody had ever done it before. They had done it (brutally) in Wuhan and seemed to have some success, but even our government wasn’t prepared to go to those extreme levels of oppression and who would believe anything coming out of Beijing anyway? In the weeks before the UK lockdown, Italy, Germany, Spain, France had all imposed lockdowns (maybe others – the timeline is a bit confused for me 6 months down the line), but there was nothing like enough time or data available to show that they had made a difference. It worked on paper and in Ferguson’s back of a fag packet model, but how could that possibly have been enough to justify some of the extraordinary impositions that our government and others put in our freedoms? Guesswork and supposition should never have been enough. There was no cost/benefit analysis, because there couldn’t have been – both the costs and the benefits could only ever have been guesswork because there were no real-world data to base them on.

There isn’t a shred of data to demonstrate that lockdown worked in retrospect, either. You could make the post hoc ergo propter hoc argument that hospitalisations and deaths fell after lockdown was imposed and so lockdown did that, but 1) it is now a matter of record that infection rates were falling before lockdown; 2) there are now several statistical studies that death rates followed the same pattern everywhere, regardless of lockdown/no lockdown, regardless of the timing of any lockdown and regardless of the severity of the lockdown; 3) we have controls we can look at – Peru (viciously early and prolonged and enforced lockdown, no discernible impact on mortality rates), Sweden and Brazil (no lockdown, no discernible impact in mortality rates). Given all of this, I don’t see how anyone could argue that lockdown was effective except as an article of faith – and certainly not that it was effective enough to justify the monstrous cost.

‘Social distancing’ is a little more subtle because (as above) we know that infection rates did begin to fall before lockdown was imposed and after the “keep apart, sing happy birthday, avoid crowded places” message had started being drilled into us. To some extent, this is also post hoc ergo propter hoc, but there is good mechanistic evidence to show that these are sensible precautions when dealing with an airborne and/or surface-transmitted virus. However, as far as I can find, there is still no clear evidence to show which of these measures is actually effective in itself or at what point they stop adding any value (50cm? 1m? 1.5? If you’re washing your hands regularly, does it really mean you can’t ever touch another human being again?) and certainly not enough of it to justify, for example, insisting that restaurants, bars and other businesses operate at 50% capacity and put their customers through a bizarre charade every time they walk through the door. Or that theatres can’t operate. Besides, can we actually show that it was social distancing that led to the fall in infections and not, say, the virus simply burning itself out as it ran out of hosts with insufficient immunity to it?

116702 ▶▶ matt, replying to matt, 34, #267 of 1165 🔗

Part 2

There’s no a shred of evidence that masks work in a real-world. There are, again, mechanistic models that show how they might, some clinical-setting based RCTs, some of which show that they might, some of which show that they don’t and the hamster trial that should be so obviously nonsense (how is strapping mask-material between two hamster cages remotely similar to strapping the same material directly to the face of a human being?). Putting aside the question of whether they actively cause harm (because, again, this relies on anecdotal and theoretical evidence, not proof), there is certainly not enough evidence to justify mandating their use on the population of a democracy with legal enforcement.

The last and most important part of this is that there is also not a shred of real evidence that this virus is even remotely as problematic as it would need to be to justify all of the measures above even if those measures could be proved to be effective (Rick H made this point eloquently yesterday). The evidence that it is not much more deadly than the ‘flu is now pretty concrete. I’ve yet to see any study showing otherwise and the only counter arguments seem to be “we must be careful because it might be” or “my brother in law’s cleaner’s great aunt knew someone who died with it”. It may or may not be more infectious than the ‘flu, but since we don’t know how many people have it or have had it, we have little way of knowing for sure (and anyway, if it is more infectious than it might seem to be and even more people have had it than we think, that can only be a good thing because it means it’s even less deadly and even more of us now have some degree of immunity. Bad cases look like they may cause long term effects, which may or may not be different to or worse than the long term effects of other common diseases, but is this common? If it is, where are the studies showing the numbers? And either way, surely we will just have to put our big-boy pants on and just get on with it, eventually.

My point is, it seems to me to be case closed. You can’t argue against the sceptic case without falling back on emotion, fear and hypercaution. Can we please just get on with it now?

116711 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to matt, 14, #268 of 1165 🔗

I find you 100% convincing. So do all of us here.
But emotion, fear, hypercaution, hysteria, cowardice, fearmongering and plain bone-headed stupidity, put together, make a pretty effective ear-stopper.

116735 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to annie, 5, #269 of 1165 🔗

Indeed, Annie. And the population has been conditioned over years to believe (or at least pretend to believe) that feelings are paramount, there is no such thing as objective truth and that constant mawkishness is a superior moral state. Dissent from the ‘truths’ imposed by identity politics and the rejection of Enlightenment thinking was disallowed long ago and the same rules are applied to those of us who question the prescribed covid narrative.

117047 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, 3, #270 of 1165 🔗

Masks were an easy sell. Inexpensive, washable and easy to remove. They neglected to mention that they were completely useless and absurd. Imagine if they had mandated face shields for everybody, or something else equally inconvenient to carry about? Popemobiles for everybody.

117060 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to richard riewer, 6, #271 of 1165 🔗

And also make it easy to observe those who do not comply. They know who we are without having to ask for our papers or interrogate us about our views. Quite clever actually.

116760 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to matt, 5, #272 of 1165 🔗

The bell curve of the Covid matches exactly that of the normal (bad) winter flu in terms of timescale and numbers.*
This was clear as soon as fatalities began to decline in early May. The only difference is that Covid occured in Spring rather than Autumn.
That alone shows that lockdown had no significant effect.

*as reported @Hector Drummond blog

The media chose to become distracted by the Cummingsgate nonsense instead of looking at that.

117051 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #273 of 1165 🔗

That’s because it is not exactly a seasonal flu bug. Look up World Military Games, Wuhan, October 2019.

117070 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to richard riewer, #274 of 1165 🔗

Not sure which part of my post you are referring to Richard. I did not say Covid was a seasonal flu bug, I said it matched it’s timescale and numbers.

116873 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to matt, 8, #275 of 1165 🔗

One of the great quotes of Carl Sagan

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

Really it shouldn’t be the sceptics providing the evidence, as we never asked for any of these measures in the first place. None of the measures put in place ( with the exception of good hygiene and self isolating when sick ) were based on anything but virtue signalling.

117055 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #276 of 1165 🔗

Most people practice good hygiene daily and too many already live in self-isolation. I.E., cocooning.

117078 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #277 of 1165 🔗

Small town Derbyshire childhood, wash hands before breakfast, before going to school, on return from school, before Tea, before going out after Tea, on returning home, before bedtime. Don’t cough at people and always use a hankie (tissues not a thing then).

Chicken Pox 3-6 days alone in bed, only mum allowed in bedroom, grandparents and others avoid the house, two weeks off school (bonus).

No masks no visors and no stupid gloves.

116880 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to matt, 10, #278 of 1165 🔗

But fear is the issue. It always has been.

I don’t make this claim lightly. It is the key to it all.

The virus (does exist, yes) but that is not the issue here and never was.

Viruses are not new. The extreme reaction of governments is.

117275 ▶▶▶▶ Judith Day, replying to John P, 9, #279 of 1165 🔗

I offered a lift to a friend after a meeting; she hesitated but it was pouring with rain so accepted. She asked me if I was not worried about catching the virus.

“I’m 73” I said “and do not propose to spend what little time I have left cowering indoors or worrying about being close to people. I have already survived cancer and acute viral myocarditis, so no I’m not worried”.

“Oh” she said quietly. She is 40 years younger than me and frightened, but I hope it made her think.

117311 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to matt, #280 of 1165 🔗

Brilian post. In a nutshell!

117037 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to matt, 1, #281 of 1165 🔗

Ben Sidran, Let’s get away from it all

116703 Gillian, replying to Gillian, 3, #282 of 1165 🔗

Apologies if this link has been posted before but I found this lecture very informative.


117318 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Gillian, 2, #283 of 1165 🔗

Brilliant comment:

Transmission of CV-19 occurs mostly through news broadcasting. The virus settles in between the ears and affects rational thinking. Symptoms may include hyper-vigilant cleansing, distrust of friends and neighbors, and an overwhelming urge to give up basic human rights in exchange for the perception of safety. Individuals with larger vacuums between the ears are at higher risk.

116704 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 23, #284 of 1165 🔗

I contacted someone yesterday who I once considered a friend but she viewed my LS views as beyond the pale. We had not spoken for a few months after she implored me to re-think, because COVID was “killing baybeees”.

The reason I contacted her was because I heard that someone had stolen items from her shop. I thought it was the decent thing to do to call and ask if she was OK and to offer any support. It turns out that she was unable to prevent the theft because she has ‘protected’ herself behind a perspex screen which she stays behind whenever there are customers in her shop (I guess, ordinarily, she would wander round her shop close to someone she regarded as suspicious). How ironic that in order to ‘protect’ herself she has been targetted in such a way.

The conversation was polite but I got the impression that my views are still considered abhorent as she pointed out that people are “terrible” for not wearing masks. Oh well, can’t win ’em all …

116712 ▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 8, #285 of 1165 🔗

Presumably she’d be equally unable to prevent, say, an assault in a child in her shop.

116719 ▶▶ mjr, replying to kh1485, 15, #286 of 1165 🔗

and i assume that she cannot give a description of the thief because they were wearing a mask (and if they were good covid sheeple also wearing gloves – so no prints). Not that it matters anyway since our wonderful police dont investigate such minor crimes (they didnt before covid) because they are too busy acting as political stormtroopers .

116758 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, 3, #287 of 1165 🔗

And kh, as you remind in another post today, warning you about letting old ladies sit down inside the cafe

116733 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, 4, #288 of 1165 🔗

Two baybeees did die, both very premature so I doubt if you had the opportunity to breath on them.

116706 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 7, #289 of 1165 🔗

This is a very old representative democracy.

Our representatives are nowhere to be seen in this debacle. Why?

Because, in signing away sovereignty overseas, our representatives ceased to believe in their own power to change things. And they had a point.

Our lives have been governed for some time by the united nations, european union, the international monetary fund, the oecd and now WHO.

This is not a British crisis. It is a global crisis of incompetence and mismanagement by supranational organisations with no democratic mandate or accountability.

Mr Corbyn can protest all he likes…it won’t make any difference.

The only thing that will make a difference to the future of Britain is a complete cultural shift away from the Big State, ‘Blair’s Britain’, that has signed away democratic control of this country.

This is what is now required:


But the Mr Corbyns of this world, this government, and many contributors to this site, will never sign up to that……

116717 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #290 of 1165 🔗

In my view, the problem is less the Mr Corbyns of this world, since he doesn’t have power. The problem is Sunak seemingly doing the same as McDonnell would have done, and unchecked central bank insanity.

116767 ▶▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Tee Ell, -1, #291 of 1165 🔗

Why is providing people with an income insanity? When they can then spend that income in the shops and make sure somebody else’s job stays in tact and they can spend in turn. All of which generates additional taxation and/or saving which can be used to pay off bank debt.

It worked didn’t it?

116770 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Lucan Grey, #292 of 1165 🔗

It’s not. I think I’m missing the relevance of the question.

116781 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Lucan Grey, 6, #293 of 1165 🔗

I subscribe to the Austrian school view on this i.e. it simply propped up malinvestment.

I don’t feel it did work, the economy is a mess and we haven’t made the changes required to support a quick recovery.

117100 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #294 of 1165 🔗

So why should anyone work? We will all just live off printed money.

116886 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #295 of 1165 🔗

A very interesting point. I have always thought that any attempt at World Govenment could never seriously be made to work, I used to think that it would be because of national interest and intransigence, but sheer incompetence didn’t occur to me until now. The trouble with any complex entity, it requires a LOT of effort/energy to keep it working. My natural anti-globalism centres around how that complexity makes us more fragile, not more safe. Less complex, local systems are more resilient.

117063 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to DressageRider, #296 of 1165 🔗

And more relevant at the local level.

117082 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to DressageRider, #297 of 1165 🔗

Send all the clowns in the House of Commons canned laughter. Repeatedly, incessantly.

117349 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DressageRider, #298 of 1165 🔗

If you watch Friday’s UK Column, they show how that’s the agenda – and it puts people like Andy Burnham and Sadiq Kahn in charge. Scary thought!

117080 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tim Bidie, #299 of 1165 🔗

Blair was a Totalitarian in sheep’s clothing.

116708 WillemKoppenhol, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 16, #300 of 1165 🔗

Given that the video linked by Toby in today’s Newsletter is not just hilarious but in a way also very “instructional” I thought it prudent to put the complete text of that video here:

New Revelations on the COVID Death Count

As your trusted health authority I’ll share with you why you should be more scared than ever before but first: there’s been a new twist in the covid crisis. We just published research on the CDC website that shows only six percent of covid deaths that we’ve been reporting to you were caused by covid alone. Ninety-four percent of covid deaths had an average of 2.6 comorbidities. That means of the 161.392 covid deaths that we’ve been shoving in your face only 9210 were legitimate covid deaths.

So does that mean we’ve been deceiving you and inflating the covid death count by 152.182 deaths? Absolutely not! Because we genuinely don’t believe in math.

And does this new information that proves that covid is far less deadly than we’ve been trying to get you to believe mean you shouldn’t live with intense fear anymore? Absolutely not! As your trusted health authorities we consider our original estimates of over 2 million covid deaths in the US to be a far more accurate number than the 9.200 deaths that have actually happened.

And of the 9.210 deaths 90% of them were in people of advanced age, which means young people are at extreme risk because you never know when your age is going to advance by multiple decades all at once.

People finding this published information and spreading it around on social media wasn’t part of our plandemic because it puts people at risk of not being scared to death of this statistically not very deadly disease. Luckily we started running smear campaigns on the sources that are highlighting this dangerous fake news that’s based on facts. Look for terms like conspiracy theories and fringe theories that we use to make these new statistics irrelevant. And we’re also having it censored on social media already for everyone’s protection. And to help you further forget this new relevant information we’ve also buried it on the cdc website. Good luck finding it.

“Only six percent of reported covid deaths actually died from covid?!”

Now is a great time to discount people that speak of this new information with a well thought out emotionally charged comment rebutting something they didn’t say like “Oh so you’re saying you don’t even care about the people that did die of covid?! You’re glad they’re dead, you just want sick people to die!” Well, because they said nothing to indicate that your emotionally fuelled abstract assumption is obviously a more accurate expression of what they meant than what they expressed.

Now we plead with you not to use this new information as a rational basis to rethink the level of fear that you’re living under. Because rethinking your thinking could cause you to change your mind. And changing your mind is uncomfortable and a potential cause of covid, because our science fiction has yet to prove otherwise.

And new information is the new outdated information, so you’ll want to stay with the times.

So why should you be more scared than ever before? Because statistically speaking your chances of not dying from covid are 99.96 percent. And that means if you’re in the 0.04 percent that does die from covid you have a 100% chance of dying. Take a look at the numbers! And luckily that means we’re still justified in trying to ruin your lives to save your lives.

In an effort to do so please pay close attention to the covid death count that will continue to run across your screen for you. Look, here it is! And so you can stay under your warm wet blanket of fear we’ll neglect to adjust the death count for accuracy with respect to this new information.

And we’ll also continue to take away your rights for your protection. And just like how a woman abused by your husband might say “he only hits me because he loves me” you can repeat “they’re only taking away my rights to protect me”. And you’ll continue to surrender your rights because you’re scared.

Now that we’ve confused any clarity you might have been feeling on the new covid death count information you can go back to sleep. Please stay tuned for more updates on what you should be thinking and feeling.

(Speaking directly to camera:) Hi, this video will probably get censored. But maybe to help spread the idea of freedom from fear around and also make the sensors work a little harder for their money I’m going to invite you to download this video from my dropbox link and upload it to all your channels if you’d like to. you have my explicit permission to upload this video to any of your channels. Score one for the little guys!

116726 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 10, #301 of 1165 🔗

I watched JP way before the Lockdown began when he took the piss out of anyone and everyone who was a sanctimonious virtue signaller. He is hilarious. It’s been great to see him use his comedic talents to highlight the hypocrisy and bullshit behind the Covid ‘crisis’. And he is the spitting image of my brother!

116791 ▶▶ annie, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 7, #302 of 1165 🔗

This video is beyond brilliant.
Be quick, watch it while you still can.

116915 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 1, #303 of 1165 🔗

It is an exceptionally good video. But why the bloody irritating “music” in the background? The practise is like a virus. There’s barely owt one can watch without it going on. Can anyone offer an explanation?

117077 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #304 of 1165 🔗

I think the music is part of the piss-take. I’ve not watched any official American Covid propaganda, but I bet the ‘real-life’ videos have the same type of irritating music.

117351 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #305 of 1165 🔗

He doesn’t usually have background music, which suggests you’re right.

117397 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #306 of 1165 🔗

It adds to the propaganda value. That kind of music is common in American “educational” videos.

116715 Kate, replying to Kate, 7, #307 of 1165 🔗

Can we think about why our MPs have remained resolutely silent over the destruction of our freedoms? Why has no-one broken ranks on this and spoken out? I do not believe it is because they believe the government line. Why is Jeremy Corbyn silent when his brother is in the thick of things? In the past MPs dissented loudly.
Does anyone know whether they have all received some kind of directive, and if so what form this may have taken? Or do they feel threatened? For example, the press can be silenced by a D notice.

I assume MPs are bound by the official secrets act. The fact that all our elected representatives have been uniformly silent on the coronavirus restrictions is the most interesting aspect of the past few months.This seems managed to me.

Does anyone have any information on how this silencing could be implemented at a government level?

116722 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Kate, 3, #308 of 1165 🔗

I have no such information but can confirm that my usually media friendly Labour mp has been conspicuous by his absence for 6 months.

116747 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to karenovirus, #309 of 1165 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54045057 labour suggesting airport testing of arrivals.

116739 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Kate, 1, #310 of 1165 🔗

During the war, they would leave the page blank only D Notice written on it, to show it had been censored.

116763 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Kate, 7, #311 of 1165 🔗

I don’t have an explanation.

However ‘ arrest and a 10k fine for voicing dissent’ and no one speaks out.

Very, very strange. Not one. These are people who often argue black is white and vice versa ad nauseum

116950 ▶▶▶ WillemKoppenhol, replying to Cecil B, 9, #312 of 1165 🔗

You are right. It is very strange to see journalists who usually would go berserk over every single little detail told by politicians (especially so if that politician is named “Boris Johnson”) all of a sudden not questioning the simplest of nonsense statements. As a Dutch person I don’t know all the little details with regards to British law and media practices, but I did notice recently more and more British tv presentors saying things which imply they aren’t even allowed to say certain things with regards to COVID-19.

Take for instance this simple video from ITV’s This Morning titled “Denise Welch Accuses the Government of ‘Scaremongering’ over the Covid Pandemic” ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFqpt9UuKCY ). At 8:11 Eamonn Holmes actually says this: “ see Denise this is all quite complicated because this is a time of national emergency and um as i know from myself at the start of all of this you’re not allowed to question uh the narrative on on on such things so there are restrictions on publications there are restrictions on broadcasters “. Just think about that: someone who might even call (or in the past have called) himself a journalist going along with the narrative. Can you imagine such a thing being said by a British journalist before March 2020?

I guess we should see it as progress that people like Eamonn Holmes are mentioning it openly, because it does show that at least he is done with this censorship. And it warns the wider public about this, that too is a good thing. However, too bad it is still there!

117161 ▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 1, #313 of 1165 🔗

The presenters are not really journalists, it is the producers who choose the content. But I agree that on this occasion it was very interesting that Holmes said that. When do we stop having a National Emergency? That’s the root of the problem, they are all acting under some kind of pre arranged code.

117282 ▶▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to WillemKoppenhol, #314 of 1165 🔗

as i know from myself at the start of all of this you’re not allowed to question uh the narrative on on on such things so there are restrictions on publications there are restrictions on broadcasters

This is the first time I’ve heard someone in the media actually say this… so he is actually saying that there are restrictions on what they can say, he’s not simply being metaphorical (i.e. “if I say this I’ll be heavily criticised”)

If so, actually admitting this is quite brave, as revealing this sort of censorship/code of conduct is itself questioning the official narrative, in a way.

117308 ▶▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Drawde927, 1, #315 of 1165 🔗

Agree, that is an important point. He was actually being brave, and as I said yesterday the amount of time they gave to Denise for her to make her points was nice and long. So, even though there was a bit of patronising “calm down”, my take on this was that they (maybe just Holmes, who knows?) were signalling more scepticism than it looked like.

117353 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Drawde927, #316 of 1165 🔗

Seeing Victoria Derbyshire’s face when her show was cancelled “due to covid” and she was put to front the morning news. To me, she looked to be biting her tongue and trying not to hide her contempt for what was being said by some of the interviewees that previously she’d have eviscerated.

117659 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to WillemKoppenhol, #317 of 1165 🔗

He was just referring to the pasting he got in April, see Wiki:
In April 2020, Holmes appeared to perpetuate the conspiracy theory that the building of 5G masts had led to the coronavirus pandemic. In a feature on This Morning surrounding “Fake News” related to the virus Holmes stated that he “didn’t accept mainstream media immediately slapping it down”. He suggested that it was a sign of an “enquiring mind” to investigate the theory which had already been much debunked by experts. However, Holmes said that “it suits the state narrative” to deny the theory. Ofcom soon announced that it was investigating the incident. In a statement on the following day’s programme, Holmes read a statement which stated “there is no connection between the present national health emergency and 5G, and to suggest otherwise would be wrong and indeed it could be dangerous.”[43] Ofcom received more than 400 complaints about the incident and later issued guidance to ITV on its coverage of the pandemic. On the two-way with Alice Beer, Ofcom commented: “In our view, Eamonn Holmes’ ambiguous comments were ill-judged and risked undermining viewers’ trust in advice from public authorities and scientific evidence.”

116765 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Kate, 5, #318 of 1165 🔗

Brian Gerrish, UK Column, returned from his holiday saying he had spoken to two MPs. I understand the were meetings in person, though possibly Skype. He said both had no idea of the other side of scientific understanding. He said neither had a clue about SPI-B suggesting increasing levels of personal threat across the nation as a measure the government should take. He left documents with them.

116881 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Kate, 4, #319 of 1165 🔗

Some/most believe the nonsense because they are as gullible and apathetic about the truth as most other people are, others are enjoying it possibly, and others know it’s nonsense but are afraid to speak out and lose their jobs and their reputation. In general, spineless and useless.

116906 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Kate, 2, #320 of 1165 🔗

Jeremy Corbyn couldn’t win on this one.

You have to remember that he has already been a victim of the same establishment propaganda techniques that we are seeing in the Covid narrative.

116718 Norma McNormalface, replying to Norma McNormalface, 6, #321 of 1165 🔗

This video has come to mind a lot recently, if you fancy a laugh this weekend. When I see things like that dreadful World Economic Forum “reset” symposium video, I can’t help thinking the world is now run by people like this:

116740 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Norma McNormalface, 1, #322 of 1165 🔗

You are as thought leader

116794 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Kate, 4, #324 of 1165 🔗

The original article this links to is an interesting read..


116725 Fed up, replying to Fed up, 14, #325 of 1165 🔗

driving yesterday (to avoid being pepper sprayed on public transport), I tuned into several commercial radios (first time since LD) and was struck by how many public health COVID related announcements are played as well as other nauseating nanny state cajolements around not being a fat bastard. One from a chirpy key worker explained how he was doing his bit by taking to his isolation chamber whenever he developed a cough, lost of taste etc. There lies the problem as I see it. As children return to school and are exposed to others (after their enforced confinement) common colds are inevitable. As the list of ‘symptoms’ for CV19 are so wide-ranging, the Government’s default position seems to be that all ailments are considered CV19 unless proved otherwise. Which means a test, which means more time and money spent (where is the taxpayers alliance when we need them?) and the risk of more false positives. Ad infiniteum. Surely the rational approach would be the old normal. If you don’t feel well, stay at home. If your condition deteriotes after 4-5 days seek medical attention. At that point only is a test appropriate, to discount CV19 as the cause. Not a doctor btw, just advocating a return to previous protocols which seemed to serve us perfectly adequately.

116742 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Fed up, 12, #326 of 1165 🔗

Two weeks after reopening and Scottush schools had cira 80% attendance. Anecdotally parents are reporting many colds, as expected/predicted for the reason you give. I haven’t heard large nunbers of parents are demanding testing of a sniffle.

“driving yesterday (to avoid being pepper sprayed on public transport),” Completely right. What a state of the nation.

116764 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Fed up, 6, #327 of 1165 🔗

This is an old trick. Goes back to Blair. Doesn’t everything? It’s a way of laundering tax-payer money into political parties. As an advertising agency, chaps with beards and pony tails make a contribution to, say, the Labour Party. Said party comes to power and commissions very lucrative series of public interest/health/transport adverts from said agencies paid for by ….. us. Agency does very well, thank you, and makes further contribution to said party. And round and round it goes.

116785 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #328 of 1165 🔗

AND – as if the hand of god was upon us – I’ve just read THIS in the DM.

MPs pay consultancy £7,000 to design ‘unconscious bias’ course


116816 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to James Leary #KBF, 2, #329 of 1165 🔗

Does the desire to have an unconscious bias course display unconscious bias?

117089 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basileus, 1, #330 of 1165 🔗

They appear to have an unconscious bias towards Lockdown Skeptics. Will that change after the course is over?

116806 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #331 of 1165 🔗

I like the sound of this ‘Thatcherism’.

117114 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to James Leary #KBF, #332 of 1165 🔗

That’s exactly how they have bought the entire MSM with wave after wave of ‘public information’ and in return they have slavishly supported the government line, even pushing for harsher measures.

116775 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Fed up, 13, #333 of 1165 🔗

If you are a cheapskate (pensioner) like me and listen to music on free Spotify you do have to suffer these nauseating adverts including the patronising bus driver who treats you all like 3 year olds.
Testing seems to have given them free reign to run this for ever like the perpetual war in Orwell’s 1984. The testing system seems to be tantamount to trying to find grains of sand on the beach and then panicking every time we find one.
If we gave up testing, it seems to me that all the other current evidence, death/disease would suggest we were just about at zero Covid and could pack up the circus and go home! Letting them have mass testing has been a disaster like letting the children play with matches and then wondering why the house burnt down?

116901 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Fed up, 4, #334 of 1165 🔗

“Surely the rational approach would be the old normal. If you don’t feel well, stay at home.”

.. and that’s the problem for the myth- makers, because that obvious solution won’t sustain their hysterical narrative.

This we have the ‘everything is deadly Covid’ narrative – false on two grounds.

117096 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to RickH, #335 of 1165 🔗
117105 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fed up, 1, #336 of 1165 🔗

Since its Sunday I’ve given myself a day off from listening to BBC R2 & 4 (for research purposes only).
Instead I’ve been listening to our delightful community radio that comes out of the arts centre.
It carries no advertising for anything except for it’s own upcoming content.
Plays no mainstream pop rock or gangsta rap, today has been the usual eclectic mix of mellow reggae, proper Soul some traditional jazz and a bit of rockabill, tomorrow might be an all day Art Garfunkel but there is no idle DJ chat at all. The perfect answer to a Covid obsessed MSM.

It does have talking magazine slots which tend to be a bit right on in a lgbgt4ru7 and blm way but I’ve got a Damned CD for then.

117362 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 1, #337 of 1165 🔗

Good plan!

117802 ▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to karenovirus, 1, #338 of 1165 🔗

I’ve been watching the free opera broadcasts from the Met, no ads just great music and an escape from the current madness.

116727 hotrod, replying to hotrod, 16, #339 of 1165 🔗

As I suggested yesterday the XR protests to stop newspaper deliveries were too much a a useful tool to prevent an increasingly sceptical written Saturday press from reaching its readers, I smelt a rat, they were allowed/encouraged to happen.

On Saturday XR protests continue unchecked but two Anti-Lockdown speakers/organisers are arrested.

Something is seriously wrong here.

The truth is slowly creeping out but HMG are now playing ‘whack-a-mole’ themselves to try and suppress the truth.

Would be useful if XR actually took a step back and think about what they have become, and that is a useful diversion….

116745 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to hotrod, 6, #340 of 1165 🔗

How about this as a conspiracy theory?

TPTB have been treating X-R as a pet band of well-meaning sons & daughters of the affluent middle classes having a staycation gap year. They have been tolerated and indulged and never told ‘No’ to the point that they think they’re untouchable and as expected cross over into the unacceptable. At which point TPTB use them as an excuse to change the law in a manner which can then be used against those of us protesting against them revoking democracy. Job done. Whoever was organising the muppets of X-R melt away back into whatever Ministry they came from in the first place. And then they put Shaun of the Dead on the TV just for a laugh. Can’t lock yourself in the pub any more. Covid, you know. Out on the streets to get eaten or arrested. It’s not funny any more.

117127 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to James Leary #KBF, #341 of 1165 🔗

The Police seem to be going quite hard at them or is that just for show?

116750 ▶▶ mjr, replying to hotrod, 6, #342 of 1165 🔗

It is reported that 20 XR organisers were each fined £10000. If this is accurate then maybe more interest is being taken

116807 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, 1, #343 of 1165 🔗

update – i have seen another report saying no XR organiser was fined

117365 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mjr, #344 of 1165 🔗

“facing possible fines of up to £10,000”

116820 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to hotrod, 4, #345 of 1165 🔗

Where do they get their financing?

Lots of rumours the main benefactor is another of the world’s favourite billionaires – George Soros.

Also quoted are smaller sums from Greenpeace and the European Climate Fund who list the Rockefeller brothers (yes part of the family that took over the medical industry) as a major donator.


117102 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #346 of 1165 🔗

Who knows? But it must be costing millions of dollars, pounds, euros, pesos … to keep the operation running.

116848 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to hotrod, 6, #347 of 1165 🔗

XR people are FULLY BOUGHT INTO THE state’s narrative. They have no idea what they are “protesting” for is what the state wants. These people are very very brainwashed. I know a few of them, they are still too scared to go out.

117126 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to hotrod, 2, #348 of 1165 🔗

Yup, Sunday Telegraph not available, not that I would have bought it unless the headline ran

“Boris declares ‘Covid is Bollocks’, Ferguson arrested”

117363 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to hotrod, #349 of 1165 🔗

Not just a diversion. It provides a good excuse to make protesting even harder.

116736 Michael May, replying to Michael May, 3, #351 of 1165 🔗

This is the world of Wonko the Sane – and Lockdown Sceptics is Outside the Asylum.

116786 ▶▶ annie, replying to Michael May, 6, #352 of 1165 🔗

Sadly, those in the asylum don’t know there is an outside.
The dwarfs are for the dwarfs.

116743 Kate, replying to Kate, 2, #353 of 1165 🔗

Just come across this statement about Piers Corbyn’s defence fund. Has it been reported here before?.

“A GoFund me page was set up to help pay the fine, but it was taken down and our donations refunded.”

116782 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Kate, 6, #354 of 1165 🔗

Yes. From yesterday –

James Leary 16 hours ago
Until today, I didn’t know that Piers Corbyn’s crowdfunding page to pay his £10k fine from last week, had been taken down by TPTB and £3k returned to the donors. It could turn a young man like me into a conspiracy theorist.

117231 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #355 of 1165 🔗

I thought that was because it had raised £13k before being closed by Piers’ defence team and the excess donations were returned.

117104 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Kate, #356 of 1165 🔗

Who is directing this sabotage?

116749 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, #357 of 1165 🔗

Does anyone know if there is any truth to the thing going around that Covid-19 tests were being distributed in 2018. Keep seeing rumours of this everywhere. Inclined to think it’s just a conspiracy being peddled with no truth behind it but wanted to hear second opinions.

116768 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Ricky R, 3, #358 of 1165 🔗

It’s likely to just be how databases work. If stock has been sitting around for years then it’s shipped out for a specific use and labelled as such then there would be marker to show that.

I’ve seen something similar whilst looking into the Netflix Making a Murderer series about Steven Avery and his potentially false imprisonment. There was a big fuss made about database entries for a blood sample held by the police which had dates that seemed to suggest one thing but was just an issue with how dates were assigned.

117295 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Nobody2020, #359 of 1165 🔗

You are right, there should be an audit trail for database changes. However, it’s not likely that we will see it.

Plus, how can something manufactured in 2018 be useful for testing for a virus that supposedly doesn’t exist yet? Governments the world over were scrambling for testing kits in March and April. If you could just change the label, why didn’t they use these tests?

I’m not one of those people who believe it escaped from a lab, I just think this is odd.

117293 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Ricky R, 1, #361 of 1165 🔗

It’s because someone found this on the World Bank’s website:


I have yet to see a convincing explanation for it.

116752 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #362 of 1165 🔗

Melbourne lockdown for another 2 weeks https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-54045102

116864 ▶▶ annie, replying to p02099003, 6, #363 of 1165 🔗

Lockdown not working.
Solution: more lockdown.

117177 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to p02099003, 2, #364 of 1165 🔗

Welcoming your words of sympathy right now. It’s been a rough day. The real roadmap is even worse than the leaked one. Even when you know beforehand, nothing prepares you for how hard it is.

117290 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Caramel, 1, #365 of 1165 🔗

Oh, no! That’s horrible. It seems like Australia, or at least Victoria, has turned into an authoritarian state.

116753 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 6, #366 of 1165 🔗

FACT: People With COVID-19 Live Just as Long, if Not Longer, Than Those Without”
An irreverent Aussie Sceptic view.

https://anthonycolpo.com/fact-people-with-covid-19-live-just-as-long-if-not-longer-than-those-without /

117247 ▶▶ ajb97b, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #367 of 1165 🔗

Bad statistics all round…

The link above correctly criticises an analysis that claims 14-17 years of life are lost by those who die of covid. What they actually calculated is how much longer these people would have lived if they’d been perfectly healthy. But as we know, COVID victims were all very ill and thats why covid helped finish them off. Even pants-down Ferguson admitted 3/4 would have died within the year anyway, even without covid

But the alternative analysis proposed by the link above is also flawed. It claims people live longer if they get COVID. which is patently nonsense.

The correct way to interpret things is that covid is killing people that, in average, have ALREADY lived longer than is normal. This is why they are ill, and why they are vulnerable to covid

116757 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 28, #368 of 1165 🔗

As I’ve mentioned in the past here I live in a not so nice neighbourhood where drug use and domestics have gone up exponentially since this lockdown.

Case in point, last week Mr Bart had to phone the council as the quarreling neighbours was making it hard for him to do his work (one of the downsides of WFH). The council worker told him that the domestic was first reported over a year ago to the point that it had already been escalated to the anitsocial behavioural unit and even the councilors and our local MP (a useless git). We suspect that being homeowners our neighbours could not be evicted.

So this is the reason why I’m very angry with the lockdownistas. They who are so wrapped in their self-righteousness, cushioned by wealth and cushy jobs and living in big houses in the shires or beautiful parts of London or any of the big cities preaching to us the hoi polloi about safety and protecting the Church of the NHS. When actually these “safety” measures has made the problem worse by condeming people who live in cramped accommodation or in bad areas and have little to no means of getting away from the realites of crime, antisocial behaviour and escalating mental health issues. I do not believe in vengeance but I do hope and pray that the lockdowinstas get their comeuppance, if not in this life then in the next.

That’s the least they deserve for their lack of compassion and having betrayed their fellow man.

116783 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Bart Simpson, 16, #369 of 1165 🔗

Well said. I was shocked at how people didn’t want to hear this argument against lockdowns early on. It was obvious who would be worst affected, yet a large minority of people seem to have been in denial, but are slowly beginning to come around. Worse are the fuck you I’m all right jack mob, who’ve shown their true colours.

116790 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PoshPanic, 19, #370 of 1165 🔗

Many people I know have exposed themselves to be only thinking of themselves and don’t really care about others. That is also why I’m angry with those trite slogan of “we’re all in this together”. Whoever thought of the this should be shot as it is patently not true at all.

116867 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bart Simpson, 10, #371 of 1165 🔗

Selfishness is the over-riding thought process in people who embrace the covid narrative. IMHO

117325 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Two-Six, 3, #372 of 1165 🔗

Indeed. It’s not a problem for them because they have the money and means not to be inconvenienced and they don’t have to live next to riff-raff.

117106 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #373 of 1165 🔗

That’s the slogan in Quebec as well. Also, things will get better one day. Which day? Which year?

117323 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to richard riewer, -1, #374 of 1165 🔗

Whoever thought of that should be taken to the town square and shot (with apologies to Herr Flick of the Gestapo)

117370 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #375 of 1165 🔗

It’s shown how many smug bastards are out there. Sometimes, reading the callous, self-righteous BTL comments in the DT makes me extremely angry.

116808 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Bart Simpson, 15, #376 of 1165 🔗

Paraphrasing Dr Malcolm Kendrick

It’s ok for them because they have learned how to bake bread and have also de-cluttered their spare room(s).

They live on planet righteous.

117322 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stefarm, 1, #377 of 1165 🔗

That’s a good way of putting it. And also its good for them because they can still go to their yoga or zumba classes.

117139 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #378 of 1165 🔗

I recently had a txt message from the public sector to say my query had been ‘escalated’, took me ages to figure out what it meant.

116772 Kate, replying to Kate, 6, #379 of 1165 🔗


Robert Kennedy talking about the Berlin demonstration, what happened, how it was reported in the US press (as right wing) and that the demonstration which invaded the Reichstag building was a false flag abetted by the police to discredit the main demo.

116779 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Kate, 6, #380 of 1165 🔗

The Berlin organisers say 60% of Germans are aware of issues, are ‘awake’. Delores Cahill gave the stat at Holyrood yesterday – she had spoken to the Berlin organisers.

116778 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 25, #381 of 1165 🔗

Just watching Andrew Marr on television and was shocked to hear “respected” journalists say : “THESE people are not social distancing, etc. I along with millions of others have lived, worked and paid taxes,raised children and have welcomed grandchildren in this country; how dare “Those” people insult honest hard working citizens just because we can think for ourselves and refuse to join this ridiculous, pointless and totally ineffective hysteria.

116784 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Fingerache Philip., 3, #382 of 1165 🔗

Andrew Marr’s stroke paralysed one side of his brain.

116837 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Two-Six, 2, #383 of 1165 🔗

Is that the side that wasn’t already paralyzed by self- importance?

116862 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to RickH, 1, #384 of 1165 🔗

There was only one side to start with.

116892 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to annie, #385 of 1165 🔗

but two faces

117376 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to arfurmo, 1, #387 of 1165 🔗

Patronising bitch!

117236 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #389 of 1165 🔗

Part of that Twitter thread: “I think a lot of older people are now expressing the feeling that maybe life isn’t worth living any longer” Professor Rónán Collins on the impact Covid 19 & the measures being taken to halt the virus are having on our society.

Absolutely true. I realised that I had to figure out where the line is, beyond which I’m not willing to go. I’m lucky in having no immediate family so my decision is entirely my own. But there are lots of older people like me, alone with no family.

I think the line for me is being able to continue working my allotment. Take that away and I’m not sure what’s left. I feel for the older people who are alone without something similar to sustain themselves.

117361 ▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to ConstantBees, #390 of 1165 🔗

Hang on in there, you have us.

117380 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to ConstantBees, #391 of 1165 🔗

It’s hard for those of us with family too.
I have a new grandchild on the way. What sort of conditions will it be born into? Will its mum be muzzled?
Personally I’m not at all afraid of death but I do fear for my children’s future and that of their families.

117378 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, #392 of 1165 🔗

Good grief!

116802 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 10, #393 of 1165 🔗

Piers is in the cells. I have no idea what his opinions are about anything

Are policing actions ever prioritised?

The police response and conviction rate in relation to inner city gun and knife crime is appalling

The stabbists of London and Birmingham were out again last night

117784 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Cecil B, #394 of 1165 🔗

“Are policing actions ever prioritised?” Yes.
You’ll probably find half a dozen officers staking out an area where the odd street walker might hang out; I’m pretty sure one of the ITV daytime shows mentioned a pensioner, who clicked something online that mentioned female gender & had cops on her doorstep within hours; the ‘Lion of London Bridge – I’m Millwall!’ citizen who attempted to defend himself and the citizens of London almost single-handedly from a machete-wielding maniac, was forced into Police monitoring and had to attend anti-radicalization classes – having received an email from someone, Police were increasingly concerned about this obvious maniac’s anti-jihadi tendancies… Burglaries not so much. too busy to attend at least 2/3 of them. Serious sexual assault also not high on the list, think the prosecution rate is somewhere around 3%. But those darned blogs that mention gender…the only thing not policed is crime!

116803 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #395 of 1165 🔗

A tweet from Biden reveals how much confidence is put in the princioles of Covid19 lockdown and measures. Today Biden places all his apples in the basket of oppression.

Joe Biden
As president, I will:

– Call for nationwide mask mandates
– Implement widespread testing
– Accelerate the development of treatments and vaccines

I’m ready to work on day one to contain the spread of this virus and get our country back on track.

11:22 pm · 5 Sep 2020


116861 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Basics, 5, #396 of 1165 🔗

“Good morning Mr Biden, pull your pants up this a chair, not your commode. Now say after me, I am running for president today, remember? I know you think your Mum and Dad are coming to visit you later today but first you have to read some stuff into that thing that looks like a telescope, remember?

Now finish you drink and eat your cereal and I will wipe your bottom, the car will be here soon to pick you up.”

117111 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basics, 1, #397 of 1165 🔗

Someon change this man’s bird seed. Quick.

117384 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, 3, #398 of 1165 🔗

I used to think Trump was a nutjob but the people behind Biden are terrifying.

116809 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #399 of 1165 🔗

A TV/Radio presenter has asked the following question on twitter.

“Genuine question. We have been told “the science around masks is evolving,” which is why masks are now recommended when they weren’t before. But we have had microbes for aeons, and small pieces of cloth for centuries. Why was there no settled knowledge on this before April?”

There is quite a long discussion coming out of it. The first reply is from a Dr Ana Mootoosamy who wrote:
” The virus is microscopic so they weren’t sure whether the small gaps in the cloth would be able to stop the virus. They have since shown that the virus is transmitted via droplets that are breathed out which can be stopped via masks”

Perhaps anyone with a twitter account may like to comment.

The present is Jeremy Vine.

116832 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Basics, 8, #400 of 1165 🔗

Funny then that the NHS has downgraded the levels of PPE needed for aerosol generating procedures. After months they have found that there is very little of any transmission from droplets. Aerosols in suspension were a big worry. Problem is that in a typical room the microaerosols evaporate in seconds.

If masks ever worked you would see it in rates of viral infection. But you don’t which means how a virus spreads or more importantly how people get ill is a multifaceted issue.

Trouble is that people in power like simple things even when blatantly wrong. The more recent one is the Gender Pay Gap, an artefact of naive statistics rather than the reality of personal choices and luck.

116833 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basics, 2, #401 of 1165 🔗

I don’t use Twitter, but the simple question is “Where are the RCTs conducted in real life situations?” – because that is the strength of evidence that you need to justy current policy – not s wing and a prayer.

117396 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Basics, 2, #402 of 1165 🔗

The science around masks is evolving… from science into political bullshit.

116822 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 26, #403 of 1165 🔗

‘You may think people like Piers Corbyn and Kate Shemerani are cranks’

I don’t know much about Kate Shemerani but why on earth would we think that Piers Corbyn is a crank? To be honest I’m fed up with hearing this said about a man of honesty, integrity and commitment to freedom.

Piers Corbyn seems to me to be the victim of the same MSM that we abhor and distrust and I really think that we should be better than this.

And don’t forget that Piers Corbyn is not simply a wild haired oldie who is always pictured in positions defying authority (for which we should thank him anyway!) but has a CV that puts ANY so called MP to shame—-here it is:

Piers Corbyn:-

Royal Scholar Imperial College, BSc (1st class) Imperial College,
ARCS, MSc (Astrophysics, QMC), first democratically elected President Imperial
College Students Union, Convenor Institute of Evidence-based Science; Founder
and Director WeatherAction unique Solar-based long-range weather forecasters &
CEO of former listed WeatherAction Holdings PLC, elected Fellow Royal
Astronomical Society, elected corporate member (WeatherAction Holdings) Royal
Meteorological Society, wide-ranging publications including on Meteorological
Instrumentation, astronomy and coastline physics (pre-university), Cosmology and
galaxy formation; Rights Campaigner, accomplished (with prizes) international
presenter at Commercial, Agricultural and academic research conferences.

116827 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Harry hopkins, 11, #404 of 1165 🔗

… but he said that the emperor has no clothes. Now that’s a SIN! (and we shouldn’t joke about the emperor’s tiny willie).

116868 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to RickH, #405 of 1165 🔗

Must have been cold that day.

116845 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Harry hopkins, -5, #406 of 1165 🔗

He’s definitely still very wacky. A quick Google search of your post (his CV) brought up a StandUp X letter with his mobile number on.

116855 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #407 of 1165 🔗

And your point is….?

116863 ▶▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Tom Blackburn, 10, #408 of 1165 🔗

Many highly intelligent people ARE a bit wacky. It goes with the skillset.

117121 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to thedarkhorse, 2, #409 of 1165 🔗

Bertrand Russell received letters from wacky people all the time. I think that the people that created and produced Bugs Bunny and company were wacky mad geniuses.

116944 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tom Blackburn, 8, #410 of 1165 🔗

The point is that a free society doesn’t censor ‘wackiness’. If it does, it ain’t free.

117116 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Harry hopkins, #411 of 1165 🔗

What a cranky guy!

117146 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Harry hopkins, 6, #412 of 1165 🔗

Thanks to being persecuted Piers is rapidly becoming a National Hero.

116823 Bella Donna, replying to Bella Donna, 10, #413 of 1165 🔗

How much longer are we going to tolerate this injustice? Just who do they think they are! Someone please remind these leftwing fascists masquerading as our police WE the people pay their salaries!!

116830 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Bella Donna, 9, #414 of 1165 🔗

Plus policing is by consent and I do not consent to the current mode of authoritarian policing. The police sre citizens and citizens are police as per Robert Peel’s code.

116875 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Nsklent, 4, #415 of 1165 🔗

PC at street level know the Police are losing their consent. Polical policing is now rife. We are seeing across Britain.


116895 ▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Nsklent, 6, #416 of 1165 🔗

From the College of Policing;

Schedule 2 – Standards of Professional Behaviour
Honesty and Integrity
Police officers are honest, act with integrity and do not compromise or abuse their position.
Authority, Respect and Courtesy
Police officers act with self-control and tolerance, treating members of the public and colleagues with respect and courtesy. Police officers do not abuse their powers or authority and respect the rights of all individuals.
Equality and Diversity
Police officers act with fairness and impartiality. They do not discriminate unlawfully or unfairly.
Use of Force
Police officers only use force to the extent that it is necessary, proportionate and reasonable in all the circumstances.
Orders and Instructions
Police officers only give and carry out lawful orders and instructions. Police officers abide by police regulations, force policies and lawful orders.
Duties and Responsibilities
Police officers are diligent in the exercise of their duties and responsibilities. Confidentiality
Police officers treat information with respect and access or disclose it only in the proper course of police duties.
Fitness for Duty
Police officers when on duty or presenting themselves for duty are fit to carry out their responsibilities.
Discreditable Conduct
Police officers behave in a manner which does not discredit the police service or undermine public confidence in it, whether on or off duty. Police officers report any action taken against them for a criminal offence, any conditions imposed on them by a court or the receipt of any penalty notice.
Challenging and Reporting Improper Conduct
Police officers report, challenge or take action against the conduct of colleagues which has fallen below the Standards of Professional Behaviour. The most serious allegations amounting to gross misconduct can result in suspension from duty or restriction of duty, and may involve a criminal investigation and criminal proceedings.

My late father a Police Constable for 30 years will be turning in his grave at what has happened to the Institution believed in.

116962 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to smileymiley, #417 of 1165 🔗

There is a distinction between constable and officer.

116869 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Bella Donna, #418 of 1165 🔗

The MOD has just announced a new 17 strong £500,000 office of woke to create diversity and inclusivity among our armed forces. As it already was some troops were ordered to recite mantras of diversity. Daily Mail woke force for more.

116882 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Basics, #419 of 1165 🔗

The lunacy is never-ending. Who is in charge? The government or the Press?

116835 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 13, #420 of 1165 🔗

Something that struck me yesterday when I was walking to holyrood.

I walked past a homeless charity that was giving out hot meals and food to a group of homeless people. They were queuing up and eating their food and having a cup of tea. All mixing and chatting to each other like old friends. No (anti) social distancing, shaking each others hands and patting each other on the back. No masks and all smiling an laughing and barring the usual scars all looked tanned and healthy.

The complete opposite of the scared and brow beaten masses I passed on princes street.

Wish I had stopped for a bacon roll and a cup of tea.

116849 ▶▶ Gillian, replying to stefarm, 9, #421 of 1165 🔗

Yes, I’ve wondered often during recent months why the homeless and other marginalised individuals haven’t been dying in their droves. As a resident of a village near Glasgow, I haven’t noticed much if any reduction in the numbers of street sleepers on my visits into the city. Why are these people, many in poor health due to drug and alcohol addiction, poverty, poor diet and the rest of it, not dying in droves? Yes, many of these people will be young but there is a good number of middle-aged, most in poor health. If these people are dying, or getting seriously ill, from covid we are not hearing about it. There are many organisations in the voluntary sector who look after, as best they can, the welfare of the homeless here in Glasgow (as elsewhere) and none of these bodies are speaking out about covid affecting this group of people.

116854 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Gillian, 2, #422 of 1165 🔗

Sadly, other things tend to kill homeless people before they reach 82.

116872 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Gillian, 5, #423 of 1165 🔗

April 7 2020.


“A recent study estimated that more than 2,500 of L.A.’s homeless population of 60,000 people—roughly 13 percent of whom live on Skid Row—could be infected.”

August 21 2020


Of the more than 1,300 cases among homeless people in L.A. County, fatalities by mid-August stood at 31, a mortality rate comparable to or better than that of the overall population. An earlier influential paper had estimated the numbers were likely to go as high as 400 deaths and 2,600 hospitalizations.”

And one reason might be the environment where nearly three-quarters of L.A.’s homeless people live: outside.”

This article, more than any other I’ve read, has convinced me that lockdowns don’t work. Mask don’t work. The official narrative of Covid-19 doesn’t work.

 Someone please convince me otherwise. I’m all ears.

116922 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Gillian, 2, #424 of 1165 🔗

In recent years we have run a homeless shelter at our church along with the other churches in the area. Of course it has been cancelled this winter, we are told the council are taking care of the homeless (but rather doubt it, they originally claimed there were no homeless in our town).

117696 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to davews, #425 of 1165 🔗

UK Councils were given money by govt to take homeless off the streets, they have been housed in the empty hotels:
When funding ended at end July, councils have been doing the best they can to place them in other accommodation. Oddly enough, a roof over their heads and 3 meals a day has improved their health no end.

117002 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Gillian, 1, #426 of 1165 🔗

I’ve often wondered about the homeless in London, they must have seen a drop in profits if London is as empty as people say. Homeless charities have been quiet on the subject (happy to be corrected) and I haven’t seen reports of a massive increase in deaths of homeless people

116874 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to stefarm, 1, #427 of 1165 🔗

I’m guessing they have many more pressing and real concerns to deal with.

116836 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 8, #428 of 1165 🔗

Needing the toilet “Another mild symptom of coronavirus that is being reported with increased regularity is the need to go to the toilet more often.”

What’s next? Blinking too much? Flatulence?

116839 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #429 of 1165 🔗

Damn it I can’t hold my farts in, maybe I should wear an arse mask or as I like to call it a marsek

117206 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to stefarm, 1, #430 of 1165 🔗

Then you can make the mask comparison.. If my underpants can’t stop the smell of my farts, how is a cotton mask supposed to stop a virus ?

116840 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #431 of 1165 🔗

Oh how ridiculous. I often need to go more with a simple cold. Just put it down to feeling a bit off and drinking more to keep hydrated. Why does everything have to be a major symptom or issue just because it’s coronavirus?

116857 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to A. Contrarian, 7, #432 of 1165 🔗

Here’s the full article:


I think they are desperate to get people tested, so are ramping up the apparent symptoms to get as many people as possible worried that they have it. They’ll then play on the worries to encourage as much of the population as possible to get tested. The more tests get done, the more the dodgy test shows up ‘positive’ results (as per the famous Tanzanian paw-paw). Cases go up. Panic, panic, panic. Bang – Lockdown UK MkII. This time with no furlough (“sorry money’s run out, but we have to keep you safe!”). Jobs lost, suicides rocket, riots result in Ozzie-style martial law. Orwell’s boot stamps on our collective face forever – or at least until the uprising kicks in in a generation or so.

116879 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #433 of 1165 🔗

So the obvious solution – persuade as many people as you can not to get tested .

No tests, no cases, no lockdown, the tyrants’ plan is thwarted. Time to get to work my friends…

116898 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #434 of 1165 🔗


116847 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Mr Dee, 5, #435 of 1165 🔗

Watch out for a sudden feeling of wellbeing: a clear sign of Covid.

116851 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Mr Dee, 8, #436 of 1165 🔗

Maybe it’s time to start toying with the bedwetters, eg.

“Of course, the only way to check if you are going to the toilet too much is to bottle your piss and measure it week by week”

116859 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #437 of 1165 🔗

They need a bedwet-o-meter.

117131 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #438 of 1165 🔗

This is a Spiked broadcast from July 17, 2020 about Bristol and other subjects. Then and now…

116858 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #439 of 1165 🔗

It’s called middle-age incontinence, eg getting up in the night for a pee. They’ll put down anything for these coronavirus symptoms.

117198 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to thedarkhorse, #440 of 1165 🔗

I’ve had coronavirus for the last ten years…up at least twice every night.

116860 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #441 of 1165 🔗

Coronavirus symptoms are getting like the age old joke about opinions and a**eholes, everybody’s got one.

117135 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nobody2020, #442 of 1165 🔗

‘Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall’…

117164 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Mr Dee, #443 of 1165 🔗

The latter, I must have it..

117202 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Mr Dee, #444 of 1165 🔗

Can you be more specific.. Is this for Number Ones or Number Twos??

116838 ajb97b, replying to ajb97b, 8, #445 of 1165 🔗

BOLTON LOCKDOWN: is based on cases per 100,000 going from 12 to 99 in 2 weeks. This rate of increase is NOT CREDIBLE. The rate was not increase prior to this, and yet the claim is that viral prevalence suddenly started doubling every 3-4 days. That rate was achieved only at the peak of the spread back in March. It CANNOT be achieved from a standing start

So this is obviously an artefact caused by

1) the fact that the ‘case count’ measure completely ignores the amount of testing taking place, and instead simply takes a raw count and scales this by the population size in the region under consideration. So doing more testing in Bolton recently will increase this measure

2) the influence small number imprecision due to influence of chance, i.e., when counting small numbers of events there will always be imprecision from one measurement to another

So quite possibly over the last 2 weeks the real viral prevalence in Bolton has increased slightly (say 2 fold, nowhere near enough to justify lockdown), the amount of testing has increased 2 fold (nb. the government refuse to release information about the amount of testing occurring anywhere), and small number error has distorted things 2-fold more (i.e., chance low count 2 weeks ago, chance high count this week). Hence an 8-fold (2x2x2) increase in the published case count – even though there is minimal change in real prevalence.

I repeat, this is the ONLY possible way to explain the numerical increase they’re claiming.

116842 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to ajb97b, 3, #446 of 1165 🔗

Surely those people who tested positive 2 weeks ago are no longer contagious.

116878 ▶▶▶ ajb97b, replying to stefarm, 7, #447 of 1165 🔗

Correct. But that is irrelevant. That is countered by the new cases. This measure is simply saying how many cases exist at the time of reporting.

BUT only a few of these are actually infectious anyway… RT-PCR has just recently been recognised to be too sensitive and so will be declaring non-infectious individuals as ‘cases’ in 90% of individuals (see BBC article Toby mentioned). These 90% may have been infected more than 10 days before testing (after which they are not infectious) or have no or mild symptoms and hence too little live virus to be infectious (as WHO once carelessly admitted).

So with national Pillar 1 and Pillar 2 data indicating that currently only 0.2% and 0.8% of tests are positive respectively (so lets say 0.5% overall), and allowing for only 10% of those positives being infectious, then you have to meet 2,000 strangers to find one that is infectious. Then you have to spend a long time in close proximity to them to have any real chance of being infected by them (so perhaps a 1/100 chance?). And even if you do, your chance of dying from it is less than it would be if you got regular flu if you are <65 years old (Infection Fatality Rate of <1/1000 for this age range). Put all those numbers together, and your risk of dying from current COVID [per encounter with a new person] is 1 in many tens of millions …which fits with daily UK death count being countable on one hand [and only 1/6 of the risk of dying from flu from meeting a new person !!! ]

116932 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to stefarm, #448 of 1165 🔗

… assuming they were in the first place.

116935 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to RickH, 1, #449 of 1165 🔗

Shhh, what have we been told about questioning the data. Bloody conspiracy theories.

116871 ▶▶ Julian, replying to ajb97b, 6, #450 of 1165 🔗

Indeed, and the travel corridor exemptions are also based on case count not % positive. It’s the kind of utterly stupid approach that, if suggested in a work context (well, certainly in my work) would be dismissed more or less instantly and given no further consideration. So the fact that decisions affecting huge numbers of people are made on this basis is appaling, and what’s more appaling is that journalists and politicians are, in general, not pointing it out. It stretches credibility to think this is just stupidity, I believe it’s done deliberately because cases per head of population can be easily manipulated by doing more testing, whereas cases positive per test you’d need the collusion of the labs to fiddle the figures, which is an additional headache for the liars who run the country. So I think it is plain evil.

116896 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 2, #451 of 1165 🔗

Many of those making these decisions are shielded from their worst consequences and not putting their own money on the table. No skin in the game.

116885 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to ajb97b, #452 of 1165 🔗

I am told, I don’t know if it is true or not that there is double counting

I’m told that two swabs are taken from each individual, one from the nose, and one from the throat. This is counted as two tests

Is this true?

116908 ▶▶▶ ajb97b, replying to Cecil B, 1, #453 of 1165 🔗

No. Two swabs are taken (via nose and mouth) and these are combined before being tested

BUT, many people are tested more than once over time. And since PCR gives false positives then this multiple testing does multiply the chances of someone getting a false positive result

116914 ▶▶ davews, replying to ajb97b, #454 of 1165 🔗

Bolton town population 139k, Bolton metropolitan borough 262k. So at maximum under 300 ‘positive’ results, maybe as low as 130.

116964 ▶▶▶ ajb97b, replying to davews, #455 of 1165 🔗

No. Its far less than that

when it was 12 cases/100k last week, that was (12/262,000)x100,000
– so about 4 positive tests

and this week, at 99 cases/100k, it is (99/262,000)x100,000
– so about 38 positive tests

That initial 4 might well have truly been 10 (allowing for small number error), and the 38 perhaps really 30. Add in increased testing of 2-3 fold, and there is quite possibly little or no actual increase in true prevalence

117140 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to ajb97b, #456 of 1165 🔗

Sorry, got my divisions the wrong way round…

117237 ▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to davews, 1, #457 of 1165 🔗

No, I was right. 259 cases in a population of 262,000 is 99 cases in a population of 100,000.

117256 ▶▶▶▶▶ ajb97b, replying to davews, #458 of 1165 🔗

You are right. Apologies

117036 ▶▶ ajb97b, replying to ajb97b, 2, #459 of 1165 🔗

Worth also adding… with any big jump in counts, we cannot exclude the possibility that one or more of the testing labs suffered from PCR contamination. Reaction products include virus sequences amplified up millions of fold, and so if even the tiniest imaginable amount of any positive reaction got out and into the lab environment then it would contaminate many new samples coming through the lab and cause many false positives. Preventing this from happening is far harder than keeping dust out of factories that make microchips. It WILL be happening!!!

117136 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to ajb97b, #460 of 1165 🔗

Silly question, how long does it take to get a result from a test. I assume the samples are sent somewhere for analysis. Plenty of risk for x contamination or samples to get mixed up?

117257 ▶▶▶ ajb97b, replying to stefarm, #461 of 1165 🔗

In a few cases I know of it took several days

116841 bobdobbs0507, replying to bobdobbs0507, 2, #462 of 1165 🔗

I don’t do social media (which is where I imagine the event was publicised) and so only found out about the protest in Sheffield after the fact. Is there a website where all upcoming protests are listed?

116887 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to bobdobbs0507, #463 of 1165 🔗

There was one in Belfast but awfully attended. Not helped by two organising groups who have already fallen out.

116925 ▶▶ RickH, replying to bobdobbs0507, #464 of 1165 🔗

I think it’s problematic whether to go ahead with demonstrations unless they are of the magnitude of that in Berlin, and which also discourage the riding of other hobby horses.

117062 ▶▶ H K, replying to bobdobbs0507, 1, #465 of 1165 🔗

are a couple of sights.
Yes there is some falling outs between various groups as the protests seem to be a coalition, but I don’t get involved. I (and many others) just turn up to show of support against the lockdowns

117403 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to bobdobbs0507, #466 of 1165 🔗

Scroll down for details of meetings.

116843 Mr Dee, 4, #467 of 1165 🔗

She realised that what she first thought was the consequences of a lentil heavy dinner was in fact coronavirus…”

116852 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #468 of 1165 🔗

Mumbai: Inferior masks made in slums.

116856 Dan, replying to Dan, 12, #469 of 1165 🔗

The social distancing “rules” desperately need scrapping the double deckers I drive have a capacity of 101 but this is currently 30 because of restrictions based on social distancing and as more people are now trying to get to work this is far too low what are they supposed to do wait 20 minutes for the next bus (that could also be full when it arrives) then miss their connecting train? I won’t leave anyone behind and have been picking them all up regardless of the stupid rules but how long until I am grassed up?

117387 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Dan, 2, #470 of 1165 🔗

Good on you

117751 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Dan, #471 of 1165 🔗

Well played , mate.

116876 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 10, #473 of 1165 🔗

I know there is a danger of confirmation bias when reading Lockdown Sceptic. Even so, the position we are in is truly alarming. We have:

  • medical science guided by social or political aims (SAGE)
  • a form of collective censorship by the public guardians in the media
  • selective policing according to political aims
  • public services fully paid but hardly working
  • magic money.

It is a solid step towards a guardian state.

116928 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to WhyNow, 9, #474 of 1165 🔗

It’s a solid step towards complete economic collapse.

116883 Alan Billingsley, replying to Alan Billingsley, 8, #475 of 1165 🔗

I am struggling to find out whether the following are still being carried out – The House of Commons and the devolved legislatures must give their approval to the relevant regulations within 28 days of their enactment, or they lapse. The 28-day period does not include days when the parliament or assembly is not sitting for more than four days.
In addition, ministers in all four nations must review the need for the restrictions and requirements in the regulations every 21 days. The first review took place on 15-18 March.

Also not widely broadcast is the expiry of lockdown regulations on 25th Sept. Apparently Parliament needs to vote on the continuation of these regulations. Just where are the debates taking place??

116911 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Alan Billingsley, 1, #476 of 1165 🔗

My understanding is that there is a a legal requirement for a review after 6 months i.e. later this month but the Coronavirus act remains in force for some while yet unless, as a result of the review, there is an agreement to rescind it, which seems unlikely.

116926 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Alan Billingsley, 1, #477 of 1165 🔗

Don’t hold your breath Alan. As far as I’m concerned the entire Establishment, and every established political party represented at Westminster, is illegitimate.

117312 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to Alan Billingsley, #478 of 1165 🔗
There will not be a debate, the Coronavirus Act 2020 requires a vote on the motion below (extending for another 6 months) :

The form of the motion is— “That the temporary provisions of the Coronavirus Act 2020 should not yet expire.”

In effect the 2020 legislation can be extended for as long as they want.

MP's have to vote on this motion for the law to continue.  They will vote like lemmings.
116888 BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 3, #479 of 1165 🔗

You will recall that I am corresponding with my MP, most recently referring him the Carl Heneghan and others on why over-sensitive PCR tests shouldn’t be used as the basis for lockdowns.

Two-Six drafted an instant reply from him (2 days ago) – I am pleased to say that the actual reply does at least show he has read my letter. His reply:

Dear xxx,

Thank you for your further email below, and for kindly providing the links to the two articles. While certainly the views and assessments of these two experts should be considered very carefully, I understand that there also other, equally well qualified, experts who take a different view, so as I understand it there is currently no consensus supporting the position they set out.

Quite rightly, scientific understanding of both the virus, and how the testing for it works, continue to evolve, so it is right that opinions such as these are carefully studied, but I believe it would be premature to draw any firm conclusions from them at this point.

Kind regards,”

116890 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 15, #480 of 1165 🔗

and my response:
“Dear xxx,

Thank you for taking the trouble to respond to my letter, and on a Saturday evening too; I do appreciate this, as I understand that many MP’s have not been responding to similar enquiries from their constituents.

I am pleased that you recognise the possibility of valid alternative views and that there is no consensus.

  • If it had been recognised from the outset that ‘The Science’ which the Government was so proud to be following was not, in fact, clear-cut, there could have been a balanced debate and a more nuanced approach in March. This would have focussed on protecting the vulnerable and it would have saved many lives and done less harm to the economy (and economic damage is well-established as damaging health as well).
  • If it had been recognised that ‘The Science’ was capable of evolving as knowledge of Sars-Cov2 grew, the national lockdown could have been curtailed in April and local lockdowns would not have been necessary. We could have been back to a normal life in June once the virus had run its course.
  • If it had been recognised that there were alternative viewpoints which needed to be studied, there should have been Parliamentary resistance to the censoring of these alternative viewpoints. This censorship has been through the media’s refusal to give air-time to alternative views, by the cancelling of YouTube and Twitter accounts of those holding alternative views, or by the distinctions being drawn between the heavy-handed sanctions against protests against lockdowns and the light touch acceptance of (for example) ‘Black Lives Matter’ protests on the other. There seems to have not a word of opposition to any of this censorship by any MP. Who is upholding the right to free speech?
  • If your government had been honest about the possibility of alternative views, you could have given the public the facts and invited them to make their own risk assessments. Instead, you accepted advice (from a SAGE sub-committee) to ‘ramp up the fear’ at the start of lockdown; you used the BBC and newspapers as your tools for this. You are now reaping the results; the public is split between those who are still scared witless and those who feel that they have been duped. As a test of the latter, it is worth looking at readers’ comments on Covid-related articles in the national newspapers; these are increasingly asking why we are in panic mode when there are no hospitalisations or deaths.

It is apparent to me that you have no exit route other than a rushed (and hence unproven) vaccine, which will become mandatory by default through citizens needing to show a ‘vaccine passport’ to be allowed to participate in society. I have a nasty feeling that this will be the subject of our next correspondence.

Yours sincerely,

116894 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #481 of 1165 🔗

I await Two-Six’s reply 🙂 as I won’t be getting one from the MP 🙁

117013 ▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to BTLnewbie, 3, #482 of 1165 🔗

Keep hammering away. After seven non-responses from my MP over the initial 4 months, I posted the hard copies of the emails by registered post, and finally received a reply asking for links to issues such as efficacy of masks, lockdowns etc. While I was pleased to at last engaging in some exchange with him, I was also disappointed over the lack of awareness and desire to be more informed over such a severe and disasterous crisis created by the government. Sadly, this lack of critical thinking appears to be evident in other MPs, as I have heard similar comments. What do they do, just sit waiting for instructions from Downing Street.
Next correspondence is to seek his redponse to voting down an extension to the Covid bill – I think it would be worthwhile to bombard all our MPs on this, to do nothing will achieve nothing.

117713 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to BTLnewbie, #483 of 1165 🔗

I will give it some thought

116904 ▶▶▶ Alan Billingsley, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #484 of 1165 🔗

The only other way out for the Government is to hold a referendum to vote to go back to pre covid 19 life or remain in this new world of irrelevant rules, regulations and masks. Like you say the public is split between those who are still scared witless and those who feel that they have been duped. Unfortunately it is difficult to assess the the split!

116918 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Alan Billingsley, 2, #485 of 1165 🔗

The augurs are not promising.

117052 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Alan Billingsley, 4, #486 of 1165 🔗

Rest assured, there will never be another referendum in this country. Fingers too badly burned last time.

117195 ▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to BTLnewbie, #487 of 1165 🔗

Has the mandatory vaccine or ‘vaccine passport’ actually been touted by the government or is this your opinion of what they would implement if they though they could get away with it? This is a genuine question, I’m not trying to be impertinent. Thanks.

117223 ▶▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #488 of 1165 🔗

No, this is just my perception of the endgame.
Mrs BTL suggested I didn’t mention it as ‘we don’t want to give them ideas’, but I fear the plan is already brewing.

117414 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BTLnewbie, #489 of 1165 🔗

I’d be inclined to to give backbenchers any ideas, in case they think it’s a great plan. I suspect most of them are pretty clueless.

117780 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #490 of 1165 🔗

The next Davos summit where 100+ elites gather in private jets to moan about climate change, has put the great reset as the pivotal item at the top of the agenda.. this is in conjunction with biometric IDs, digital vaccination passports, etc etc.

117074 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #491 of 1165 🔗

As was pointed out weeks ago on this site, Simon Dolan’s review is really about seeing whether the Precautionary Principle (as espoused by politicians) is being used as logic rather than actual logic.

The PP used here is a naive one. You must take action even if the change of catastrophe is small. Naive because the caveat is – you don’t take action that destroys the very thing you are trying to save.

What you see in all these MP responses and other experts is the inversion of the Null Hypothesis – you have to prove there is no harm – harm is asserted by definition.

It comes about because early on a narrative is formed, usually with some figures and modelling, that appears strong and makes sense. The problem is that its foundations are nonsense and would be ripped apart if applied to other things we consider safe to use. But when the focus is emotional the narrative gets bedded in. Man Made Climate Change due to increase of CO2 is one. Nevermind the science is all hypothetical and the uncertainties in the source data make any conclusions moot. It’s been bedded in.

So now you have to show Covid is NOT dangerous. And that NOT wearing a mask is fine.

When he says it is premature to draw any firm conclusions, that’s how you know. The basic Null Hypothesis is that everything is within what we would expect from a respiratory condition.

117124 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to mhcp, 6, #492 of 1165 🔗

I am unconvinced by climate change arguments either way, at least partly because I’ve been almost completely uninterested in them. But the parallels you draw here are strong. In both, we are presented with the absolute worst case scenario and told that it is possible, based on modelling, then that scientists increasingly think it is likely (based on modelling and then this is never revisited unless and until someone comes up with a new piece of evidence (or modelling) that supports it.

In this instance, we might be dealing with an indiscriminately deadly virus, that transmits easily through brief human contact, through the air, through droplets, from surface contact (and apparently fecal matter). Our immune systems may be unable to deal with it and – worse – they may not develop any learnt resistance, so it’s possible we could be infected multiple times. It can be spread by people who don’t even know that they have it, so no one can be considered safe. It affects every organ in the body with unique damage, but has no truly unique symptoms. When the effects are not terminal, they can be severe, debilitating and long-lasting. Our health systems are woefully ill-equipped to deal with it.

All of these things might be true, but you have to ignore all of our past learnings from immunology and virology to assume it. And after a few months, you also have to ignore all of the experience of the real virus to believe it might be so.

As every domesday climate deadline passes, it is conveniently forgotten and we’re just given another deadline and every unusual weather event and natural disaster is a sign that it’s coming. As every week passes without a hint of a second wave of SARS 2, we’re just told it still might happen and every increase in “cases” anywhere in the world is a sign that it’s on its way.

117137 ▶▶▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to matt, 1, #493 of 1165 🔗

Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions


116889 zacaway, replying to zacaway, #494 of 1165 🔗

HSBC website is promoting this new initiative:

There is a very long list of organisations involved in it:

They want people to complete this survey – first question being:

Has coronavirus made the UK as a whole more united or more divided?

From the other questions, they are not looking for divisions between sceptics / bedwetters.

I’m not sure what their angle is, anyone seen this or know more about it?

116903 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to zacaway, 1, #495 of 1165 🔗

There are opportunities to put across other points by using the ‘Other’ boxes provided. Let’s make our views known.

117191 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Basileus, #496 of 1165 🔗

Filled it in with liberal use of the Other boxes.

117200 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to ConstantBees, #497 of 1165 🔗

You really shouldn’t fill this in. . all the data goes direct to the chinese CPP!!!!!! .. Do remember that HSBC = HongKong and Shanghai Banking co.

116893 petgor, replying to petgor, 19, #498 of 1165 🔗

I have three fairly short questions:

What is the true number of deaths due to Covid-19. Not those certified by doctors as presumed or suspected. What is the number of deaths caused by factors other than Covid-19. For example: caused by the usual Flu, suicides or lack of cancer treatment or operations. In relation to the latter, bearing in mind that the NHS has become the Covid NHS, how many future deaths are anticipated due to the NHS freeze. Many people do not believe nor understand the often contradictory figures being quoted.

What is the reasoning behind having to wear a mask in shops, but not in cafes and restaurants, but not on protest marches, in school corridors, but not in classrooms. Can you see why people are confused?

Why can I only get an appointment to see my dentist for emergency treatment, but not for a 6 month check up, the latter bei g preventive medicine?

The government has created much fear and has trampled over our right to live normal lives. Look for example to those who have had to die alone without relatives having the opportunity to say farewell at their burial. The perception is that the government is banking on a second spike. How many months or years will we have wait before the government decides that we can return to normal? Governments, with the possible exception of Sweden are acting like Lemmings all waiting to see what the others are doing.

My solution: let those of us not living in fear, get on with our lives. For those who do live in fear, let them self isolate until they feel safe, wear masks and continue with the self isolating dance. For those who are truly vulnerable, let the government direct our resources to them.

116907 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to petgor, 3, #499 of 1165 🔗

”The answer my friend is blowing in the wind
the answer is blowing in the wind”

116913 ▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #500 of 1165 🔗

Along with thousands of discarded face masks.

116940 ▶▶▶▶ David, replying to Laura Suckling, 2, #501 of 1165 🔗

It’s not really funny, but 🙂

117057 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Laura Suckling, 5, #502 of 1165 🔗

Gosh, I so agree with this. They are as disgusting as used condoms. I do the litter-picking run along the lane outside my smallholding and most stuff I am happy to pick up without any concern, but I treat used gloves and facemasks like discarded hypodermic needles.

117090 ▶▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to RichardJames, 5, #503 of 1165 🔗

I find all littering disgusting. However, one just knows that many of those discarders had recently been either virtue signalling and/or admonishing non mask wearers.

117142 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Laura Suckling, 7, #504 of 1165 🔗

Those I really despise however are the people who bag up their dog’s poo and then drop the bag with the poo in the countryside, where the poo on its own would have rapidly disappeared if not bagged! I have even seen the bags hanging in trees. What the hell is that all about?

117271 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to DressageRider, 2, #505 of 1165 🔗

Absolutely! There seems no point. Why not just pocket it until you find a bin? The tree thing is totally weird.

117382 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to DressageRider, 1, #506 of 1165 🔗

I see that often. They’ve grasped the first part of the message “Don’t leave your dog’s mess out in the open” but failed to grasp the second part “Dispose of it properly”. Another strange type of behaviour, with all sorts of litter, is people putting it next to a bollard, or behind a telephone junction box, or some other piece of street furniture. The twisted logic seems to be “Oh, can’t find a litter bin, here’s another piece of street furniture, that’ll do”.

117199 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to RichardJames, 2, #507 of 1165 🔗

at least with used condoms, they have been effective and someone has had some pleasure .. As opposed to masks………………

117426 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mjr, 1, #508 of 1165 🔗

I suppose the virtue signallers derive some sort of twisted pleasure.

116910 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to petgor, 8, #509 of 1165 🔗

let those of us not living in fear, get on with our lives. For those who do live in fear, let them self isolate until they feel safe, wear masks and continue with the self isolating dance. For those who are truly vulnerable, let the government direct our resources to them.

I think most of us here would agree that is a perfect sensible approach, but for whatever reasons (conspiracy / incompetence) the government doesn’t want to do that. Part of the problem being that the government has (deliberately, according to SAGE minutes from a while back) induced fear in a large part of the population.

117185 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to petgor, 1, #510 of 1165 🔗

I can only respond to your dentist question. My dentist is doing 6-month check ups and has been for a while. I’m supposed to have one in a few weeks. I think it’s going to be a full PPE hazardous waste-type of experience. I think dentists are “allowed” in general to practice “new normally” if they follow the guidelines. Perhaps your dentist doesn’t want the added expense – supposed they’ll only be able to see a fraction of the number of patients seen before.

116899 Mark, replying to Mark, 16, #511 of 1165 🔗

why is their right to protest being curtailed while the police give BLM and XR protestors a free pass?

This is how you can tell whether you are marching to express an opinion that genuinely dissents from establishment orthodoxy, or turning out as a state-approved mob to intimidate dissenters from establishment orthodoxy (eg, the BLM and climate panickers).

If it’s the former, you will face near uniform smearing and ridicule in the mainstream media, and harsh police control along with serious and increasingly repressive penalties against organisers, no matter how peaceful and inoffensive your gatherings are, and there will be little objection in the media and by mainstream politicians.

Whereas if it’s the latter you will be allowed to get away with all kinds of breaches of the rules, so long as you don’t interfere too much with the real business of the elites, and even outright violence and vandalism will be overlooked and excused (“mostly peaceful”, “legitimate outrage” etc). If there’s a confrontation between you and demonstrators opposed to your views, the opponents will be blamed for it and treated much more harshly, as well as propagandised against in the media reports.

A useful general guide in a world of disinformation and pervasive media and political dishonesty.

117201 ▶▶ nat, replying to Mark, 2, #512 of 1165 🔗

So true, it is even more apparent when you see the same thing happening all over the world. Here is an excellent piece on Sky news Australia demonstrating the hypocrisy of the Police in the way they treated the Black Lives Matter protests as opposed to their treatment of potential anti-lockdown protests. This is in Melbourne, but it could be anywhere
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kURFv5evvk

116900 Mark, replying to Mark, 1, #513 of 1165 🔗

I recall seeing a number of references to Whitty conceding that the peak in infections occurred before lockdown. Anyone go a link to a credible source for this?

116949 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Mark, #514 of 1165 🔗

I think this was in his responses to a Parliamentary sub-committee hearing, but can’t find the link I’m afraid.

116957 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, #515 of 1165 🔗
117021 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #516 of 1165 🔗

Witnesses: Dr Harries, Professor Whitty and Professor Van-Tam.

Q608 Chair: We are looking at the next stages of managing the coronavirus pandemic. On our second panel this morning, we are delighted to have as witnesses, Professor Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer, and the deputy chief medical officers, Dr Jenny Harries and Professor Jonathan Van-Tam. Thank you very much for joining us this morning.

I will start with a few questions to Professor Whitty. Last Thursday, Sir Patrick Vallance told the Science and Technology Select Committee that the Government introduced compulsory lockdown measures on 23 March, which was nearly a week later than SAGE advised doing so, which came either on 16 or 18 March. We all know that voluntary social distancing was introduced on 16 March, and it was made compulsory a week later on 23 March. At that time, during that week, were you content with the timetable, or did you advise Ministers that the compulsory lockdown should have happened earlier?

Professor Whitty: The first thing to say is that I do not think that is an accurate reflection, in fact, of what Sir Patrick Vallance said. I have checked it with him this morning, to make sure that I understood what I thought he said, and read his transcript. What he thought he said, what I read him to say and what he meant to say was that there was an intention on the 16th very strongly to say that more measures were needed, and that is indeed what happened. It is important to recognise that Sir Patrick was trying to do that from memory, having not expected the question. That was clear from the answer he gave.

If you look at the minutes of SAGE, it is clear that there was a package of things that were strongly recommended on the 16th, and those happened then. There was subsequently clear advice to close schools, which previously had not been advised. That happed subsequently. As it was clear, after that, that there was further acceleration, or at least less clarity that we were going to be confident at getting R below one, which was clearly the aim, there was advice to go further. It was not a one hit, nothing, and then suddenly everything should go into lockdown. To be clear, multiple steps were taken along the way. If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.

Let us be clear. I am very much in favour of the fact that the lockdown happened, but some people argue that R had crossed one even before that point in time. Lots of people are going over the numbers retrospectively. It is very easy to do that retrospectively, but I wanted to clarify that that was what Patrick said, and meant .”

Thanks, that looks like it’s what people were referring to. Unfortunately a pretty slippery, political response.

Good grief, I still find it incredible that a vacuous waste of oxygen like Devi Sridhar is given such opportunities to mess up policy on a national scale…

117357 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mark, 1, #517 of 1165 🔗

Here you go with video:

Here is a link to video I downloaded from the Parlaimentlivetv website of CMO Whitty stating on 21st July 2020 in the parliamentary committee hearing for Health and Social Care:

“If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”


It’s 23 MB so too big too e-mail.

You can download it yourself on their website – set the start time at 10:58:00 and end time as 11:01 – their instructions are easy to follow.

It was the same hearing the chain Jeremny Cunt stated that social distancing was law. Did contact him to put him straight but no acknowledgement.

Hector Drummond also put it on his Twitter last week.

116902 Steeve, replying to Steeve, #518 of 1165 🔗

I have a question

20 people spend 3 weeks together on a boat
1 has a deadly virus
All 20 die
Do not factor in that all 20 died
What is the R rate?

116917 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Steeve, 1, #519 of 1165 🔗

Does dying of thirst count as “dying with” or “dying of” the “deadly virus”?

Probably depends on the political needs of the media outlet, “scientist”, or government body reporting or analysing the events….

116943 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Mark, #520 of 1165 🔗

Good Morning Mark On this occasion I am going to rule out thirst but we should never underestimate the importance of hydration! PS Did you sleep at all last night?

116960 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steeve, #521 of 1165 🔗

PS Did you sleep at all last night?”

Pretty good, thanks, as usual. Why do you ask?

116963 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Mark, #522 of 1165 🔗

Your long post earlier!

116968 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Mark, #523 of 1165 🔗

Sorry mistaking you for Matt!

117000 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Steeve, #524 of 1165 🔗

Yes, not badly, but with the occasional bout of sleep maintenance insomnia (not unusual for me)

117014 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to matt, #525 of 1165 🔗

Hi Matt!

117003 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Steeve, #526 of 1165 🔗

OK, that makes sense.

116947 ▶▶ ajb97b, replying to Steeve, 4, #527 of 1165 🔗

That question highlights the problem with R, and likewise with herd immunity. They NOT only depend on the virus, but instead are largely are properties of the population immunity and the environment. E.g., in prisons the virus spreads rapidly (R is massive) and there may be no level of infection where herd immunity can stop that spread. In a widely dispersed population with pre-existing immunity (from other coronavirus exposure) who are practicing social distancing etc, the R will be <<1.

We have clearly now got enough people infected and (pre)immune to achieve herd immunity for the level of social distancing that has applied since mid-March. Currently the number of people who have been infected and are hence immune is increasing, whilst at the same time people are increasingly disregarding social distancing. These two trends are balancing each other out, and R is staying around 1. Given how little social distancing now occurs, it is crazy to imagine R jumping up to the 3, 4, 5 levels it was at last spring. And at some point we’ll have enough of us immune to push R down permanently (i.e., the virus is truly over). In fact we’ve almost certainly achieved that in London where the virus spread more and earlier, and we are steadily getting there in other regions like Manchester and Leicester.

116992 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to ajb97b, #528 of 1165 🔗

Thanks for taking time to answer? Interesting points

117764 ▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Steeve, #529 of 1165 🔗

The R of any endemic disease (i.e. it`s out there somewhere) is, necessarily, 1. Any more and it would spread a lot, any less and it would die out. R of 1 is therefore not a number to be scared of.

116905 Two-Six, replying to Two-Six, 24, #530 of 1165 🔗

We had a friend around for dinner last night, which was great! A lovely lady, her parents are in their mid 70’s, her dad has some kind of cancer, possibly prostate but he is OK, however he has been classed as vulnerable. Both of them have been staying in since March, her Dad is getting brave and now walks in the park and does a bit of shopping, her mum has only walked up the road near her house ONCE since March, she doesn’t go out at all, our friend isn’t allowed in her parents house.

Her mum used to do all kinds of things, singing in a choir, very socially engaged. The damage done to them is staggering.

So it’s our friends parents, MY parents, and millions of other people who are like this now.

So cruel, so destructive, so wrong.

116920 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Two-Six, 5, #531 of 1165 🔗

An 80+ fit as a fiddle neighbour of my parents had been forbidden by her children not to go out or be spoken to by anyone not wearing a mask.

When we visited my parents a couple of weeks ago she told us she finally decided to go out for the first time in 6 months as she needed batteries for her hearing aid, fully masked of course. This is a woman who lived through the war!!!

116927 ▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 7, #532 of 1165 🔗

True. But to a large extent they are doing it to themselves. They are beyond help or hope.

116936 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, #533 of 1165 🔗

Yes, I have no idea how to counter this fear. It’s just terrible. Check you email by the way, I just sent you a message.

117455 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, #534 of 1165 🔗

Got it!

117450 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to annie, #535 of 1165 🔗

Blame the BBC!

117787 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to annie, #536 of 1165 🔗

Good grief, I can picture the dusty response I or my sister would have gotten from either of our parents if we were to have presumed to try to “forbid” them from doing anything!

Much the same as the response any of our (adult) offspring would get from us today.

117765 ▶▶ stevie119, replying to Two-Six, #537 of 1165 🔗

If my parents venture out (late 70`s) they have to keep it a secret from my bedwetting sister!

116912 pwl, replying to pwl, 2, #538 of 1165 🔗

I’ll say it again. Whether you agree with Corbyn or not (and I do not on a number of issues), he is in the arena – where people need to be in order to expose UK Government for what it is (and inspire a popular revolt) – and at considerable personal cost. Those in the “alternative media” making a new living from merely reporting on Covid-19 are not in the arena (and so a fat lot of good they will do). And it’s very telling that Dolan, another who has stepped up to the same challenge never calls Corbyn a crank. This site can’t help itself but do it. I spy controlled opposition.

Covid-19: utterly false perception of great danger created by letting some old and ill people die

117205 ▶▶ Julian, replying to pwl, 1, #539 of 1165 🔗

I’m not clear what you mean by “alternative media” or “in the arena”.

I don’t spend a lot of time thinking about “this site”. I skim read the daily updates, and read and reply to the comments that interest me, and occasionally post observations or questions myself. If I am being “controlled”, it is by someone fiendishly clever, as I feel free to post whatever I want and hold whatever opinions I want.

I can’t speak for others, but nothing suggests to me that anyone who posts here feels “controlled”.

I would not choose to call Piers Corbyn and crank and respect his integrity and courage. If I had to choose some speakers to “represent the movement” I would probably try to consider getting some more “mainstream” type people on board who were harder to attack, not because I think Corbyn is wrong about things, but just to try and appeal to as wide a group as possible. I think we have to be a broad church, while trying to stick to a simple, consistent core message that we need to get back to normal – I think this will appeal to people the most.

116919 John P, replying to John P, 16, #540 of 1165 🔗

I wanted to try to elaborate on what I said to matt earlier in response to his posting in which I highlighted the importance of fear in all of this. I offer just a few of my own thoughts.

Attempting to influence others by quoting figures and by explaining that masks are ineffective is likely to be futile.

Way back in March I looked at three charts, and on that basis concluded that there was little to fear from this virus and have ever since been appalled by the gross overreaction.

One of the charts I saw compared covid19 symptoms with symptoms of the common cold and flu. Of the three, covid19 seemed the best option having only a temperature and a dry cough as guaranteed symptoms.

The others were very similar charts from China and from Italy. These charts showed that those under 60 were unlikely to die from the virus and only those aged around 80 with comorbidities were likely to be at risk. That even – in my opinion – took my parents out of the equation.

Logic has never suggested that there is anything remarkable about covid19.

Fear is not about logic however. It feeds on confusion and uncertainty. While I was consciously aware of this, the majority it seems were not and were seduced by media hysteria and fearmongering.

Such was the media hysteria over covid19 that my sister cancelled her Mother’s Day meal on the Sunday before the “lockdown” was imposed, saying that it was “not sensible”. Both of my sisters avoided direct contact with our parents for months out of fear of possibly giving my parents the infection.

The fact that neither of my sisters has shown any outward sign of being infected and the fact that the possibility of death on contracting the virus is very low made no difference. I am sure that this is the same in many families.

The relentless media fearmongering over this virus seems to have resulted in government taking (or attempting to take) much greater control over our lives. I have long felt that career politicians are control freaks. And that “democracy” really only has value in as far as it puts fetters on the ambition of these lunatics to manage our lives.

(It is for this reason that I voted “remain”. I am Eurosceptic these days, but my attitude was that it was not the British people who were “taking back control” from the EU, but the ruling elite in Parliament who were taking greater control of Britain. It was not the bollocks of Joe Public that Juncker had his hands around, but David Cameron. The EU was a check on Cameron’s power. That was my then view.)

Unfortunately a terrified people virtually begged government to control them and with few exceptions (Steve Baker) MPs acceeded with great relish to this demand. They couldn’t wait to get the Coronavirus Act on the statute books could they?

Fear is not logical, so there is little point in pointing out that the risks are low to a terrified person. These people have no concept of risk and the management of risk. (Perhaps few
of us do!)

What is the answer? I don’t know. But somehow people must learn to rationalise their fears and come to terms with their (and their loved ones) own inevitable mortality.

116937 ▶▶ JohnMac, replying to John P, 1, #541 of 1165 🔗

I changed my mind because of the information about the viral load. A mild dose was obviously not frightening, and once I knew it was not all or nothing I worried much less. Then I was able to look rationally at information about graphs etc.

116961 ▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 6, #542 of 1165 🔗

You are absolutely right. But Fear is much harder to cure than physical disease.

117072 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to RickH, 2, #543 of 1165 🔗

Agree, people seem scared of being scared. Maybe scared of finding the truth.

116995 ▶▶ Mark, replying to John P, 4, #544 of 1165 🔗

Yes, fear and the failure to master it is the root of our virus problem, I’m sure.

As for the inefficacy of reason, it has been pointed out that you cannot reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into, so it is a legitimate point. And as I have pointed out here before, once you allow fear to overwhelm your reason, no amount of either intellect or education is any protection.

What is the answer? I don’t know. But somehow people must learn to rationalise their fears and come to terms with their (and their loved ones) own inevitable mortality .”

One point I believe to be relevant is that we previously had considerable cultural protections against the kind of mass panic we are currently experiencing, in the prevalence within our elite in particular, but also in wider culture, of attitudes that made a number of opinions and behaviours that contributed to the failure of morale shameful.

It was regarded as worthy of respect to not express fear or concern, to “keep calm and carry on”. It was regarded as effeminate and/or generally soppy to let soft emotions dictate policy.

The widespread loss of these attitudes, and delegitimisation of them where they remained, allowed fear to be spread, and enabled rational responses to be demonised as “putting money ahead of lives” or as having “an acceptable level of deaths”, thereby destroying the political and social viability of the previously uncontroversial response to epidemics of this kind. It allowed the contrary position to become dominant, whereby those resisting the panic were actively smeared as “selfish” or “dangerous”, rather than respected as courageous, and those enthusiastically spreading fear and panic to be painted as “responsible”.

It’s unlikely we will be able to recover these attitudes, as a result of the profound changes to our society over the past century or so, so we will have to either accept being a fearful, hygiene obsessed society permanently, or find other ways of buttressing against hysteria.

117452 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mark, 2, #545 of 1165 🔗

Cowardice used to be the one vice that almost everybody despised, and was ashamed of, if they had it.
It is now a virtue.

117147 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to John P, #546 of 1165 🔗

Juncker. Great name for a guy trying to sell Europe a pig in a poke.

117156 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to John P, 1, #547 of 1165 🔗

I’ve said it before, but even when the 12 scientists on SAGE told people it’s safe to send kids to school given the risks, we still have people freaking out at cases. Outbreaks in Scottish schools have been like a red flag to a bull with such people. It confirms their fears again.

The solution is for a man in a white coat with an official sounding title to go door to door and tell these people it’s OK to come out of their cocoons.

Pure theatre of course but that’s the world these people currently inhabit

117186 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #548 of 1165 🔗

Case in point. I remember Stuart Lee had a skit in one of his shows joking about how “Political correctness had gone mad, and now they’ve banned Christmas”

Life is joke

117180 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to John P, #549 of 1165 🔗

Yes, logic is useless in the situation – well, except for those of us who are calm enough to think. It’s a classic FUD situation – Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.

116930 richard riewer, 8, #550 of 1165 🔗

Stop Press: According to today’s Sunday Times , MPs are furious about XR’s blockade of printing plants on Friday night and are determined to stop similar protests in future. Boris has branded the blockades “completely unacceptable”.

That’s unacceptable but arresting Piers Corbyn isn’t. Eh Boris? Hmm?

116942 davews, replying to davews, 9, #551 of 1165 🔗

On our zoom church service this morning, one of our church families has just moved to Spain near Madrid (university masters course but they will probably stay permanently). I says mask wearing is universal, even in restaurants when not eating. He says he feels far safer there than in the UK…. I commented that I wasn’t worried about the virus, the problem is that everybody else is. Guess my comment didn’t go down very well.

117392 ▶▶ Edward, replying to davews, 1, #552 of 1165 🔗

A lot of mask wearers seem to have a simple binary view: mask on, safe; mask off, deadly danger.

117448 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Edward, 1, #553 of 1165 🔗

They obviously don’t read what it says on the packaging.

116948 Mark, 5, #554 of 1165 🔗

BBC News has finally got around to running a piece casting doubt on the reliability of the PCR test

I see the BBC’s Nick Triggle chooses in his”analysis” to report the government’s flailing around almost randomly while the disease progresses probably largely unaffected by it as:

Where there are local outbreaks the system – by and large – seems to be having success in curbing them .”

How fortunate we are to have an independent, honest and neutral body like the BBC to speak hard truths to power for us…

I’m sure that’s what Triggle tells himself he has been doing, when he lies down to rest at night.

116952 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 18, #555 of 1165 🔗

The Saving Scotland protest at Holyrood Park yesterday (5th) came as a breath of fresh air. After last week’s disappointment at Trafalgar Square, the scepticism rather than outright conspiracy theorising was more than welcome.

Obviously a smaller demonstration (2,000 or so I think) than last weeks, the three main speakers were excellent, the MC seemed grounded in reality compared to last week’s howling harridan, the crowds good-natured, and the police, although masked, were calm throughout. No siren-blasting ambulances, no police helicopters, and ordinary passers-by stopping to find out what it was all about.

Met some excellent people and, as always when I visit Scotland, enjoyed some very deep and searching conversations.

Very glad I joined this protest, until Friday, it was 50-50 if I was going to attend. I don’t know how many fellow Lockdown Sceptics were also there, we must design a badge to identify ourselves!

The only slightly off-notes for me was a couple of ladies haranguing photographers for wearing masks – if we are demanding the right to choose whether to wear one or not, then we must allow those who choose to wear a mask the right to do so unmolested – and that my return train didn’t stop at the station I needed!

All in all an excellent day, and the organisers (none arrested afaik) deserve to be congratulated.

116965 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #556 of 1165 🔗

Badges you say? Humm I could help with that.

116972 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, #557 of 1165 🔗

Without asking you to betray customer confidentiality, how many of us have ordered badges from you? Hmm, that sounds faintly accusing, with no such intent!!

116978 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #558 of 1165 🔗

About 120 have been given out, some for free, some lost in space, to LDS people on here, really quite a few. Some have made their way over to Australia!

116980 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, #559 of 1165 🔗

Roughly 10% of us. I was looking for anybody wearing one, both yesterday in E’boro and last week in Traff Square. Doesn’t mean nobody there was wearing one, but failed to spot anyone myself :o((

116987 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #560 of 1165 🔗

The postal service has REALLY let me down. I have been sending them out as a small letter, the thickness limit is 5mm’s and a fair few of them have been apprehended by the post office for having the incorrect postage on them.

In these crazy times the usual processes of the post office have been massively disrupted. One customer just got his ones with a note to pay extra postage, 5 weeks after I posted them….Useless.

So this has put me off selling on ebay as its a right pain in the botty. However now I am sending them out properly stamped and signed for/tracked and they seem to be getting through now.

116993 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, #561 of 1165 🔗

Glad to hear it. Had to pay postage on mine and they took a week longer to come than promised. I just put it down to the times we’re living in. But at least I’ve got them!

116999 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, #562 of 1165 🔗

wow that’s good to know. I think a few people will get their ones some time soon once they filter through the system. I think at the moment everybody is happy now and a few people will be getting some free badges.

117017 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, 1, #563 of 1165 🔗

I always leave things 28 days before asking the question.

117053 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, -1, #564 of 1165 🔗

Don’t blame the Post Office. Royal Mail is the culprit. Another legacy from Thatcher.

117776 ▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Two-Six, #565 of 1165 🔗

I would like to buy a simple badge with the logo of this site on it.

117048 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Two-Six, #566 of 1165 🔗

Is there a permalink anywhere to your ebay page? I might want some more as I keep giving them away.

117733 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, #567 of 1165 🔗

The ebay sale is down right now and wont be up for a couple of weeks. I am away for a bit soon.

117141 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Two-Six, #568 of 1165 🔗
117243 ▶▶▶▶ Alison9, replying to richard riewer, 1, #569 of 1165 🔗

Interesting, I wonder how “women-only” protests (Greenham Common) would be viewed now?

117039 ▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #570 of 1165 🔗

Dr Malcolm Kendrick, whose articles are often mentioned by Toby Young, was one of the speakers. It must have been good.

117069 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Jane in France, 5, #571 of 1165 🔗

He was excellent IMO. Get him on the TV and he will blow everything open.

116955 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 11, #572 of 1165 🔗

She really is a genius!

Primary school children are less likely to transmit Covid-19 than teenagers because they are smaller, an expert has said.
Devi Sridhar , professor and chair in Global Public Health at University of Edinburgh, told the Sophy Ridge on Sunday programme that younger children have been found to be less infectious than teenagers.
“Children can have the virus regardless of their age, they have the same viral load as adults, they can transmit the virus, but for an unconfirmed reason primary aged children transmit less than older children,” she said.
“We have seen… clusters in teenagers occurring, but primary school kids seems to be less affected.”
One possible reason for this is due to their height, Dr Sridhar said.
“Primary school kids are shorter so they are less likely to be exposing adults or others around them,” she said.
They also tend to be more asymptomatic, meaning they are less likely to be infecting others as they are not coughing and sneezing, she said.
“There is a difference, but science has not confirmed yet what of those hypotheses it could be,” she added. (Source, DT)

It would be hilarous if the propagator of such utter nonsense was not in a position of power and influence!

116971 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #573 of 1165 🔗

It’s so infuriating.

Why on earth does she have a platform?

Her background is in governance, not epidemiology.

117477 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #574 of 1165 🔗

Pals with Chelsea Clinton …….

116976 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #575 of 1165 🔗

So the next cure in the fight against the virus will be a double leg amputation on the over 16s. It will be after all for the greater good, and my leg amputation protects you and your amputation protects me, so no complaints please. Let’s just share the insane reality.

117120 ▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Nsklent, #576 of 1165 🔗

LOL – Brilliant – you first though!

117768 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Nsklent, #577 of 1165 🔗

TBH I’d probably prefer your solution to one I heard proposed some months ago… probably around early Feb, and it was noted that, generally, men appeared to be suffering from covid-19 in higher numbers than women — apparently the solution was simple: men should just immediately transition & take high dose female hormones.

116981 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #578 of 1165 🔗

What’s wrong with that? Perfectly sound. Think with your noggin. The wonderous Chinese tradition of binding children to stunt growth has been known for centuries. It was simply viral spread theory in it’s infancy.

I wonder if Devi knows gravity isn’t real too. Because surely the correct method of binding has been found in Africa where children have neck hoops to elongate giraffe-like above the clouds of virus.

Gladly only caught the very last seconds of the interview and so didn’t feel able to comment. I did note dead eyes and a look of deep stress/unhappiness as Sophie waved her goodbye.

When the fraud comes out she should be fighting for her career. It is in tatters at this point. All her own making too.

117016 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 3, #579 of 1165 🔗

A lot of people will be fighting for their career once the fraud is generally known. Good riddance to them all is what I say. (Were you at Holyrood yesterday, btw?)

117049 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #580 of 1165 🔗

Yes. We reported back yesterday. I went over the top linking to the coverage.

It was a good day.

117058 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 1, #581 of 1165 🔗

I really enjoyed it, despite some difficulties with train ticket machines only accepting cards. I stood towards the back on the far side of the pools (near to me was the bearer of the Saltire with “Nico-liar” written on it). I was especially impressed how many passers-by on their walk, stopped to listen, even if only for a few minutes.

Well worth the trip!

117064 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #582 of 1165 🔗

Near where I was standing, would of been good to meet, maybe next time.

117068 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to stefarm, 1, #583 of 1165 🔗

That’s at least three of us who were there! The bloke wrapped in the Swedish flag was beside me for Prof Cahill’s slot.

117130 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Nick Rose, #584 of 1165 🔗

Yep, saw him. I was standing next to a smartly dressed well spoken English chap wearing an exemption lanyard who was with a heavily tattooed lady. Not sure where the strongman and bearded lady were 🤭

117107 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #585 of 1165 🔗

I would recommend anyone depressed by all this to make an effort go along. By attending people don’t need to stay if they don’t want. I cannot think of a day when the Holyrood weird lawn has been put to better use.

Everyone was there from a lovely elderly couple having quiet ‘words’ about getting closer versus having a seat right through to local drinker who managed to get his hands on a loud hailer. Cool people, regular people, young and old. Families with prams.

For anyone concerned about being ideologically opposed to some in attendance – the first person I saw at the protest was wearing a yes – for indenpendence – mask! Everyone was there.

Yes, a few cars tooted supporting passing and many folk walking by enjoyed listening in.

In context a small beginning, but really important for all that. Go.

117381 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, #586 of 1165 🔗

Remember the guy with the loudhailer, noticed somebody there wearing a plague mask too.

116996 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #587 of 1165 🔗

Hasn’t she tripped up by admitting that the asymptomatic are less likely to spread the virus? Bet she’s kicking herself.

117007 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #588 of 1165 🔗

Fucking plum. What a waste of space.

117023 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #589 of 1165 🔗

She is Nicola’s Spiritual Advisor now – like a certain South Korean First Minister

117043 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #590 of 1165 🔗

So dwarfs will be good to go for pantomines?

117061 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to arfurmo, #591 of 1165 🔗

She’s a shoo-in to play dopey or the evil stepsister

117769 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to arfurmo, #592 of 1165 🔗

Will there be any theatres left, anywhere?

117071 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #593 of 1165 🔗

Less likely to be exposing others around them? So how come they drive flu epidemics then? And why do parents constantly catch colds from their children? And aren’t all the other kids in school the same height, so just as likely to be exposed? Doesn’t this mean that adults are safe if they’re all sitting down? Is that why we don’t need masks in restaurants and pubs? And haven’t we been told that covid hovers in the air waiting to infect us, at all levels of a room? So can we mix with as many people as we like as long as it’s a group of mixed heights?

So many questions…

117103 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #594 of 1165 🔗

How does she explain tall people being more at risk?

117445 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 1, #595 of 1165 🔗

A tall story, no doubt.
The death rate among six-footers must be appalling. After all, they can’t keep apart.

117772 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to annie, #596 of 1165 🔗

I’m over 6’5″ and I still see other tall people around. The air seems generally ok up here. Hit my head on a damned plane the other day though. 🙂

117261 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, #597 of 1165 🔗

Mingus, Philharmonic Hall, 1972, Jump Monk

117488 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, #598 of 1165 🔗


117443 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, #599 of 1165 🔗

Good news for dwarfs everywhere.

116956 Old Bill, replying to Old Bill, 16, #600 of 1165 🔗

I am going to start off today’s post with a maths and english lesson, I hope you don’t mind. They are fairly simple so I doubt you will be challenged in any way.

First 60×24 = 1440
then 650×20 = 13000

I did these on a piece of paper so I could be wrong, feel free to check with your calculator if it makes you happier.

Now, what do those figures mean to us you ask? Well I will tell you.

60 is the number of minutes in one hour. 24 is the number of hours in one day. 650 is the number of MP’s in parliament. 20 is the number of minutes it takes to obtain results from the fastest, and I believe as yet completely unproven, covid test.

So when the speaker of the houses of parliament calls for every mp to be tested for covid 19 every day, those tests will take nearly 10 days to carry out. Of course if you could carry out 10 tests simultaneously then you could reduce the amount of time needed to 1300 minutes which would give you the period between 9:39pm and 11:59pm to carry out parliament’s business of the day before you have to start testing all over again. This could be further reduced if not all MP’s turned up every day which is often the case, but I think you can see the plan would still be fairly problematic.

Now the English lesson.

Define ‘treason’.

Answer: Noun. The offence of acting to overthrow ones government.

Of course I am drawing no parallels here, to do so could be construed as libellous, I am just giving you maths and english lessons. If you choose to draw any conclusions from these lessons that is entirely your affair.

117046 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Old Bill, 1, #601 of 1165 🔗

Quite possibly the best post on this site so far, in my opinion.

117355 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Old Bill, #602 of 1165 🔗

In the various Acts of parliament it defines “treason” as:

In the 1351 Treason Act it states:

“Declaration what Offences shall be adjudged Treason.”
“if a Man do levy War against our Lord the King in his Realm, be adherent to the King’s Enemies in his Realm, giving to them Aid and Comfort in the Realm, or elsewhere”

Definition of adherent: A supporter, as of a cause or individual

In the 1848 Treason Act as in that it states as an act of treason:

“to intimidate or overawe both Houses or either House of Parliament”

Bang to rights.

117481 ▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Awkward Git, #603 of 1165 🔗

Thank you AG – I only used dictionary.com as my source – I like yours much better.

117763 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Awkward Git, #604 of 1165 🔗

‘Treason doth never prosper’… because if it prospers, none will call it treason!

116958 Nobody2020, 3, #605 of 1165 🔗

This is a very good explanation of Herd Immunity which is easy to understand. I think it deserves to be pinned somewhere:


116970 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #606 of 1165 🔗

This is also a good explanation of why harsher interventions can lead to more deaths over time than taking a more moderate approach such as in Sweden.


117006 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #607 of 1165 🔗

It is good. For some reason media and others seem to discredit that we can achieve herd immunity and that has to be either political or to fuel the need for a vaccine

117194 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to wendy, 1, #608 of 1165 🔗

Or the sunk cost fallacy – we’ve put all this effort in so the way we took MUST be the only way, otherwise our sacrifices have been in vain AND we’re idiots for having done it

117350 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Julian, 2, #609 of 1165 🔗

In other words, they can’t face the truth.
We will ram it down their disgusting throats.

116974 Hammer Onats, replying to Hammer Onats, 35, #610 of 1165 🔗

That picture of Piers Corbyn being manhandled by a bunch of uniformed thugs, a 73 year old harmless eccentric, is sickening. It should be all over the press letting people see the country’s decent into a police state.

116985 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Hammer Onats, 12, #611 of 1165 🔗

It’s bad enough being Jeremy’s brother without being treated like that.
As the WHO have clearly stated, this is not about a virus it is about changing society.

117274 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Old Bill, #612 of 1165 🔗

“As the WHO have clearly stated, this is not about a virus it is about changing society.” – is there a source for that please?

117478 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to leggy, #613 of 1165 🔗

Yes, but it is not easy to find most of the reports seem to have been ‘disappeared’ – strange eh?


116988 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Hammer Onats, 6, #614 of 1165 🔗

I wondered what the Territorial Support Group was, that arrested the woman in LOndon. Sounded like part of the military.
Apparently, the Metropolitan Police’s Territorial Support Group (TSG) – a specialised unit of experienced police officers used to tackle high levels of violence

Wow, sledgehammers and nuts! Considering what BLM has been allowed to get away with, plus the shenanegans of XR, that sounds a bit excessive for a peaceful protest.

I’m now very concerned that XR’s attack on the press will be the perfect excuse to make any form of protest (except BLM maybe?) nigh on impossible.

117004 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #615 of 1165 🔗

They use to be the SPG. Twat ’em first, ask questions later.

117026 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sam Vimes, #616 of 1165 🔗

Special Patrol Group-The Exploited


117009 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #617 of 1165 🔗

My point exactly. TIC three hours ago.

I say again – it’s all a bit too handy – having a bunch of morons that everybody hates banned using ubiquitous new laws ….

“How about this as a conspiracy theory?

TPTB have been treating X-R as a pet band of well-meaning sons & daughters of the affluent middle classes having a staycation gap year. They have been tolerated and indulged and never told ‘No’ to the point that they think they’re untouchable and as expected cross over into the unacceptable. At which point TPTB use them as an excuse to change the law in a manner which can then be used against those of us protesting against them revoking democracy. Job done. Whoever was organising the muppets of X-R melt away back into whatever Ministry they came from in the first place. And then they put Shaun of their Dead on the TV just for a laugh. It’s not funny any more.“

117022 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #618 of 1165 🔗

Your theory makes perfect sense to me.

Despite claiming to be climate change protesters, many activists said they were against the perceived political stance of some newspapers.
One XR statement said the action was about racism, as well “immigration policy, the rights and treatment of minority groups and dozens of other issues”.
 ( https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/05/police-accused-offacilitating-assaulton-press-freedom/ )

Easy to manipulate then. Just like the young, white BLM idiots.

117278 ▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to Cheezilla, #619 of 1165 🔗

That’s what I thought.
It will apply to any protest

117012 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Hammer Onats, 11, #620 of 1165 🔗

Yes indeed, making things mandatory, imposing fines and making health measures a crime has lead to increased conflict and stress and fear. Sweden appears to be the only country to have tried to have an adult conversation with and including their population. That seems to be partly because they didn’t buy into the idea that COVID was the deadly disease other countries have decided it is. I don’t know how our establishment are going to back out of this. More and more evidence is put out a lot of it from Carl Heneghan and team to show that it is not a deadly disease for the vast majority. Surely Boris as the leader of the country to not correct the original fears is being criminally negligent?

117040 ▶▶▶ tonys, replying to wendy, 4, #621 of 1165 🔗

‘Criminally negligent’ yep, add a great deal of professional pride on the part of the scientific establishment and then stir in a huge dollop of media hubris and the mess does indeed start to look such a massive fubar situation that everyone in said groups has a vested interest in maintaining.

117008 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #622 of 1165 🔗

I felt optimistic when I read the headline:

More than 1,000 UK doctors want to quit NHS over handling of pandemic

Unfortunately, they are not standing up and telling the truth about empty hospitals and patients being refused treatment. They are just whingeing, justifiably or otherwise.

117031 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cheezilla, 19, #623 of 1165 🔗

The UK’s medical practitioners have totally let us down, on a massive scale. The fraud and neglect is criminal.

117310 ▶▶▶ Judith Day, replying to Two-Six, 1, #624 of 1165 🔗

A troll over on TCW is blaming ‘Tory cuts’ for the refusal to treat patients!

117033 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 28, #625 of 1165 🔗

It’s interesting how people are just now beginning to wake up to police abuse because Piers Corbyn is getting arrested for the sole purpose of shutting him up. Tommy Robinson has been going through the same thing for the better part of a decade, but everyone was just content to call him a far right racist.

117038 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 16, #626 of 1165 🔗

His Oxford Union address was interesting. I bought into the narrative until I watched that. Kudos to the Union for their free-speech credentials (though not sure what they’re like now). I mean the guy’s got black mates and made friends with Muslim prisoners when he was in prison, but he’s still a ‘fascist’. How? Same way you have Jews critical of Israel being labelled anti-semitic. And feminists labelled as anti-feminist because they’re not radical enough.

It’s all part of the same madness in my opinion.

117075 ▶▶▶ H K, replying to Mr Dee, 12, #627 of 1165 🔗

Yep, everyone should watch his Oxford Union Speech for balance. While there are many valid criticisms of Tommy Robinson, he isn’t the far right racist as reported by the MSM.
His lecture/presentation on how the state, police & media work together to silence and destroy movements that threaten the establishment (dubious arrests, police harrasment, fines to deter protests, and legal cases leading to financial ruin) were very eye opening.
Then there was his panadrama expose!

117044 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 14, #628 of 1165 🔗

First they came for the racists…

Many of the techniques used to push this coronapanic and to demonise dissent were honed first on the suppression of resistance to the radical changing of society by the systematic promotion of mass immigration, with reasonable dissenters smeared by association with the most extreme.

117034 drdomski, replying to drdomski, 2, #629 of 1165 🔗

The AwakenWithJP video quotes a COVID only, no comorbidity figure for the US. Presumably the UK figure of 41k deaths might similarly scale down to 2.5k? Is anyone aware of any similar research existing for the UK.

117066 ▶▶ matt, replying to drdomski, 3, #630 of 1165 🔗

Last I checked, the number of deaths with _only_ Covid on the certificate was ~1,400

117400 ▶▶ Offlands, replying to drdomski, #631 of 1165 🔗

The figures are available on the NHS site. For hospital deaths I think it is under 2000.

117041 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 4, #632 of 1165 🔗

BBC’s Specialist Disinformation Reporter Marianna Spring
This is perhaps one of the most sinister things I’ve seen on the BB Fecking C!


117073 ▶▶ Mark, replying to T. Prince, 3, #633 of 1165 🔗

Interesting that I don’t recall any such discussion by the BBC’s “Specialist Disinformation” team of the genuinely nasty extremist organisers behind the US BLM mobs. They were too busy mis-reporting that the convicted armed robber whose death was used as inflammatory black propaganda was a “gentle giant”.

As I noted below , this kind of establishment attack provides an easy way to tell if supposed dissent is genuine or merely like clapping endlessly for the Leader’s speech – a signalling display of one’s enthusiasm for orthodox dogma.

117190 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mark, 7, #634 of 1165 🔗

Some thoughts from her colleague Michael Wendling regarding their report/hatchet job on the London protests

Of course those who believe in conspiracy theories are not going to call their beliefs conspiracy theories, and are going to call themselves mainstream, moderate people.
We viewed footage of the speakers and spoke to people who were there.
We have no obligation to give a platform to erroneous ideas. We don’t, to take an extreme example, broadcast the manifestos of mass murderers alongside police statements so that people can “make up their own minds”.
I’m not saying the people there were violent. Some of them were (as the story reflected) were drawn by legitimate concerns. But the speakers (Mr Icke and others) were not expressing mainstream views that would benefit from airing and debate. “

It’s quite revealing of the mindset. An absolute conviction that they know best and it’s their job to make sure everyone else thinks correct thoughts, not even by argument or persuasion, but simply by shutting down avenues for incorrect thoughts to circulate, and smearing the people who hold them as cranks or fascists.

117265 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Julian, 4, #635 of 1165 🔗

An absolute conviction that they know best and it’s their job to make sure everyone else thinks correct thoughts, not even by argument or persuasion, but simply by shutting down avenues for incorrect thoughts to circulate, and smearing the people who hold them as cranks or fascists .”

At root, this elitist attitude is fundamentally incompatible with liberty or with democracy. It’s the basically leftist belief that people cannot be trusted to decide for themselves, but must be guided by an enlightened elite and sheltered from dangerous words and opinions, such as “hate speech”. It’s the basis of the leftist habit of dismissing opinions they disapprove of as “populism”, while opinions they like that are equally misleading are perfectly acceptable.

117297 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Mark, 3, #636 of 1165 🔗

You hit the nail on the head. And that’s why the left can’t figure out why they keep losing elections. They are so convinced of their own moral superiority that they confuse a desire for freedom with “populism.” People merely don’t like be spoken down to and taken for stupid.

117300 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Julian, 4, #637 of 1165 🔗

As a Canadian, I’d never heard of David Icke before all this. I had no preconceived notions when I listened to him being interviewed by Brian Rose on London Real. I thought 90% of what he’s been saying about Covid is spot on. I’m not sure what that makes me! Never thought of myself as a crank or a fascist.

117579 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #638 of 1165 🔗

With David Icke, it’s the other 10% of what he says you need to worry about!

117761 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Julian, #639 of 1165 🔗

We have no obligation to give a platform to erroneous ideas..” The same Beeb literally (on BBC3) still have articles online claiming that paedo’s need help “and not condemnation”.

117045 Basics, 5, #640 of 1165 🔗

Sheffield Stand Up X protests yesterday. A youtube channel with speeches and coverage.


117054 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 22, #641 of 1165 🔗

I loudly congratulated the lady behind the till in Boots this morning. “It was a pleasure to be served by someone without a mask today. Thank you!” She beamed in acknowledgment.

I made sure I was in earshot of her tremulous colleague who had earlier treated my wife and I as lepers.

117113 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mr Dee, 8, #642 of 1165 🔗

I do the same and always engage in some useless chat with a naked face. Sadly when served by a mask I turn into a miserable bastard (not difficult). I’d love to watch the CCTV of me as I must look like a right miserable nutter walking around scowling at people.

A bit immature but if i’m having to endure this shit show I might as well enjoy myself.

117138 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to stefarm, 14, #643 of 1165 🔗

The tremulous shop assistant was obliged to show me where an item was in the store. She picked it up, was about to give it to me, and then panicked – shoving the ‘tainted’ item to the back of the display, apologising profusely and telling me that I should, of course, pick a bottle that she had not touched.

I made a point of taking the one she had touched.

117160 ▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #644 of 1165 🔗

Sometimes I wonder if it’s worth putting an arm (if allowed) around these people and say

‘shh, there, there, it will all be ok, you are perfectly safe, life is worth living’

117056 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 8, #645 of 1165 🔗

My wife’s got an idea how to stop masks and gloves behind dropped by cretinous litter louts. Start a whispering campaign on Facebook and Twitter spreading the rumour that dropped masks and gloves spread Covid.

117065 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #646 of 1165 🔗

Unfortunately, the moronic would believe that. Just say the wearing of masks spreads stupidity and selfishness. Others have to clean up their mess!

117344 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to T. Prince, #647 of 1165 🔗

Zombies are stupid and selfish by definition.

117755 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Mr Dee, #648 of 1165 🔗

Tell them 99% of suspected cases are believed to have come into contact with a chip & pin machine in the last few weeks, they didn’t practice chip & pin distancing! that might get an interesting reaction.. 🙂

117059 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 2, #649 of 1165 🔗

I always thought this was really funny because it was totally ridiculous. Now I’m not so sure…

117085 ▶▶ Andrew, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #650 of 1165 🔗

Getting pretty close now.

117087 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lockdown Truth, #651 of 1165 🔗

Just e-mailed this to Matt Hancock, asking if he’s related.

117095 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Lockdown Truth, 2, #652 of 1165 🔗

In all probability, if Hancock et al advised wearing underwear outside their clothing (perhaps to prevent Covid farts), some would comply.

117440 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Laura Suckling, #653 of 1165 🔗


117088 Cecil B, #654 of 1165 🔗

It’s not misleading if the BBC publish it


117094 steve, replying to steve, 9, #655 of 1165 🔗

How about everyone sending postcard with a suitable derogatory message on to No.10 every week

No point with any rational argument. They have produced nothing but shite for months so a simple post card with insults on would make sense.

117098 ▶▶ IanE, replying to steve, 3, #656 of 1165 🔗

Hard to see what it would achieve though!

117115 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to IanE, 3, #657 of 1165 🔗

Dear …..
Thank you for your postcard/picture of traffic measures/parcel of shit. As you know, the government is following the scienczzzzzzzzzzzzzz….

117469 ▶▶▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #658 of 1165 🔗

Bojo saying ‘we were just following the science’ is the same as Bart Simpson saying ‘I didn’t do it’.

117099 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to steve, 3, #659 of 1165 🔗

Send Freepost. I wouldnt waste a bloody stamp on them.

117101 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to steve, 3, #660 of 1165 🔗

One with a nice view of all the traffic-reducing measures; blasted COVID (anti) social-distancing signs; the green bossy-boots signs and the closed shops, just so they can see what they have done.

117109 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to steve, 5, #661 of 1165 🔗

Naaah, send ’em a parcel of shit. The old ways are often the best.

117241 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #662 of 1165 🔗

They’d probably test it for Coronavirus, use PCR test with as many cycles as it takes (i.e. the “papaya” test) and then prosecute you for attempted murder.

117119 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to steve, 5, #663 of 1165 🔗

Also any Lockdown litter/detritus (ie discarded masks,gloves empty hand sanitiser bottles) to be dumped in Downing Street or at the very least in the Doorway of your local MP’s constituency office!

117578 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to KBuchanan, #664 of 1165 🔗

thats a good idea

117112 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 19, #665 of 1165 🔗

Kill people you shouldn’t kill
Trash the economy
Lock up people who don’t need to be locked up
Close the schools
Test people who don’t need testing
Trash Holidays
Use a test that doesn’t work
Lock up anyone who dissents
Save people who don’t need saving
Finally, if all else fails panic

Going well so far isn’t it

117118 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Cecil B, 2, #666 of 1165 🔗

But is it ‘Panic’ or ‘Plan’…..?

117132 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to T. Prince, 4, #667 of 1165 🔗


117179 ▶▶▶▶ Tony Prince, replying to Basics, #668 of 1165 🔗


117373 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, #669 of 1165 🔗

C’mon, be fair; they’ve got 50% on that list. You’ve got to admit it’s something.

117148 Paul, replying to Paul, 20, #671 of 1165 🔗

A stupid and pointless ‘designer outlet village’ is going to be built on the outskirts of my town,they haven’t even started building yet and it may open in late 2022 or 2023.
The developers have just smugly announced that covid 19 safety measures will be built into the design !.
In their words,

‘Initiatives include permanent sanitisation points,two metre distancing indicators embedded in a sensitive and attractive way in paving and landscaping,shop canopies will be extended to allow comfortable outdoor queuing in all weather conditions.We will create covid 19 safe car parking for visitors and will use an app based virtual queuing system for the car park and stores and restaurants if necessary,we will create a branded online sales platform to improve customer access and create a halo effect for our retail partners in a future lockdown’.

What a bunch of f**king virtue signalling crap,I’m sure it will go down very well with the huge amount of bedwtters and covid freaks in this town though.

117159 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Paul, 15, #672 of 1165 🔗

“Covid safe car parking.”

Please, please make it stop.

117189 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Liam, 6, #673 of 1165 🔗

Can cars catch Covid-19?

117225 ▶▶▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Lockdown Truth, 5, #674 of 1165 🔗

Yes you need to space them at least 2m apart and cover them while shopping

117230 ▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to arfurmo, 4, #675 of 1165 🔗

Put big face masks across the front.

117244 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to bluemoon, 3, #676 of 1165 🔗

Oh jesus,don’t give them ideas !.

117330 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to bluemoon, #677 of 1165 🔗

Like the comic relief red noses on cars.
now that is an idea, Why dont we all wear comic relief red noses? At least as effective as a mask .
But really showing contempt for the wearing of masks

117423 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Lockdown Truth, 1, #678 of 1165 🔗

On a forecourt near you soon, the new Vauxhall Covid-19. Virus filters fitted as standard and in-car entertainment pre-tuned to BBC radio, set to maximum hysteria

117438 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to T. Prince, #679 of 1165 🔗

When you fasten your seat belt, a nappy automatically descends from above and clamps on to your face.

117575 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, 1, #680 of 1165 🔗

It takes your temperature before letting you start the engine.

117169 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Paul, 11, #681 of 1165 🔗

But this was only supposed to be temporary! We were told just to put up with it for a little while. Now they’re building it into the infrastructure.

117187 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to ConstantBees, 11, #682 of 1165 🔗

Even if the government wanted to get out of this, which they don’t seem to, especially, I don’t think they could. If they turned round and said “sorry, it’s all a mistake” they would be savaged by all the opposition parties, the BBC, the Guardian, and a lot of inviduals who are bought into this and hate Tories. It would take a gargantuan effort of counter-propaganda to relate covid-safety-mania to the fringes. For this alone, for unleashing this madness without (or with?) considering the irreperable damage, they deserve banishment from office and the verdict of history as the worst government ever.

117302 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 1, #683 of 1165 🔗

Even on a charitable interpretation, they dug a hole for themselves and then just kept on digging.

117339 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to RickH, #684 of 1165 🔗

o, they dug a hole, pushed us into it and kept on digging.

117372 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, #685 of 1165 🔗

Dug a hole using the biggest JCB in the world…

117375 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to RickH, 1, #686 of 1165 🔗

Fishing for minnows with dynamite.

117173 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 2, #687 of 1165 🔗

I despair. What the hell is a “halo effect”?

117242 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, #688 of 1165 🔗

Yes,that’s a good question !,but I bet you’re jealous you haven’t got one !,this is what our world has become,just like Carl Vernon says everyday,clown planet.

117270 ▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to kh1485, 2, #689 of 1165 🔗

comment image

Halo Effect: Beautiful optical phenomena produced by light from the Sun or Moon interacting with ice crystals suspended in the atmosphere.

117229 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Paul, 2, #690 of 1165 🔗

Couldn’t that nonsense just be for planning permission? To satisfy the bedwetters on the council? The planning process is a long one, and that crap at the moment will push a lot of buttons. Once they’ve got permission the blah blah will quietly be dropped.

117235 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to bluemoon, #691 of 1165 🔗

They’ve already got the planning permission,they have added all this crap on top !.

117245 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Paul, 1, #692 of 1165 🔗

Smarmy gits then.

117246 ▶▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to bluemoon, 1, #693 of 1165 🔗

They are,they are a real bunch of self-important tossers.

117386 ▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Paul, 1, #694 of 1165 🔗

This will be shown by tour guides in the future to groups of tourists to explain “The Great Bed-Wetting Panic of 2020”.

117439 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to RichardJames, #695 of 1165 🔗

Like a milder version of Auschwitz.’How on earth could this have been allowed to happen?’
‘This is nothing, wait until you see the school where children were systematically tortured and abused. And as for the care home … I really don’t think you could bear it. Stay on the coach.’

117437 ▶▶ annie, replying to Paul, #696 of 1165 🔗

They will look like right nanas when everybody else goes back to normal, and their only customers are a handful of terminal zombies.

117693 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Paul, #697 of 1165 🔗

What are the odds that this “designer outlet village” will be a pointless white elephant because due to the off-putting “safety” measures people will go “no thanks, ta!” and not bother?

117149 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #698 of 1165 🔗

Did anyone yet get to the bottom of why Covid19 diagnostic tests were being traded in 2018 when the name 'Covid19' was only given in 2020?

The World Bank's trade tracing system 'World Integrated Trade Solution (WITS)' shows considerable worldwide trade in Covid19 testing kits in the year 2018.

"COVID-19 Diagnostic Test instruments and apparatus (902780) exports by country in 2018"

When was Covid19 named?
WHO announced “COVID-19” as the name of this new disease on 11 February 2020, following guidelines previously developed with the World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE) and the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO).
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/technical-guidance/naming-the-coronavirus-disease-(covid-2019)-and-the-virus-that-causes-it#:~:text=The%20International%20Committee%20on%20Taxonomy,two%20viruses%20are%20different .
Can anyone explain this discrepancy between trading in 2018 of Covid 19 kits and the naming in 2020?

117158 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Basics, 3, #699 of 1165 🔗

Do we have any evidence that they were called COVID-19 Diagnostic Tests back in 2018?

What’s the alternative to some generic tests existing prior to 2019 and having been re-labelled since? Surely the only alternative is that all tests for covid have been invented since covid came about, and emerged from a scientific vacuum where no previous tests of this type existed before. That seems more than a little unlikely.

117176 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Tee Ell, #700 of 1165 🔗

Link above to World Bank is using covid19 in its record keeping for 2018.

117182 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Basics, 8, #701 of 1165 🔗

Nope, they used product codes for their record keeping in 2018 and still do. The product name can change at any time, entirely independently of the product code.

If I’m a medical supplies shop and I sold masks in 2015, with product code “123” and name “surgical masks”, and I then change the name for the masks with product code 123 in 2020 to “covid masks” – does that mean I was a clairvoyant because I was selling covid masks back in 2015? Nope.

It’s just the way relational databases work. I’m just trying to label my products based on what customers are searching for.

Until there’s any evidence whatsoever this is suspect it needs quashing immediately in my view.

117150 JulieR, replying to JulieR, 18, #702 of 1165 🔗

I was at Downing protest yesterday.
When I got there at 2.30 I was shocked how many police were there. There were around 30 people listenining to the speeches.
I enjoyed chatting to various people with sceptical views.
I even asked a policewoman why there were so many of them and if they expected many people. She replied that they were there for the demo.
Then more police arrived.
About 4pm the Save our children march came accompanied by police motorcycles.
After that police started circling protesters and it felt intimidating.
There was a rumour that they would start arrests soon as there were now more than 30 people. And I left.
Today I read on Twitter that there was kettling and arrests.
It was a peaceful protest and the number of police were disproportionately high.
It is disgraceful. Probably sanctioned by our Mayor.

117153 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JulieR, 7, #703 of 1165 🔗

Mayor Sadiq. In French sadique is sadist.

117211 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JulieR, 4, #704 of 1165 🔗

I bet there were more than 30 police.

117264 ▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to richard riewer, #705 of 1165 🔗

There were more police than protesters.

117222 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to JulieR, 6, #706 of 1165 🔗

Hundreds of police arrived in vans and via Downing Street with the sole intention of trying to instigate trouble by picking on a couple of individuals to try to incite a riot. The event was attended by more women and children than men. The way the police descended on the crowd was reminiscent of coverage I have seen of the Nazis arriving to clear the Jewish ghettos.

Khan and Dick are clamping down hard on any non common purpose supported causes. Police state Britain cheered on by the MSM.

117268 ▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to Darryl, 3, #707 of 1165 🔗

At first police were standing there without masks. When they so Save our children march coming they quickly put masks on.
They really looked stupid.
I think they use masks for intimidation now.

117371 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JulieR, #708 of 1165 🔗

I think last week scared the police a bit. And the arrest of Piers Corbyn may have stirred up feelings. They expected last week to be as poorly attended as previous demos, and that wasn’t the case. Maybe they expected more demonstrators yesterday?

Let’s see how they behave at the next meet on the 26th.

117685 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Nick Rose, #709 of 1165 🔗

There are now hopefully 2 Trafalgar protests. One with some medical professionals on 19th and then one on the 26th with Piers Corbyn and others. Hopefully both will be well attended.

117689 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to JulieR, #710 of 1165 🔗

What looked suspiciously like the riot squad emerging from Downing Street was certainly meant to intimidate. They looked and behaved very military like – very sinister actions, dark forces are at work.

117151 richard riewer, 3, #711 of 1165 🔗

Guardian Sides With the Oppressor
There were more Police in that photo than protestors.

117152 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 9, #712 of 1165 🔗

Walking past a restaurant yesterday I spied a young girl on the door with iPad and thermometer.

Now if met with said thermometer my response will likely be

A. Are you medically qualified to operate the procedure.
B. Why are you taking my temperature, if I have a raging temperature I will stay indoors more likely In bed.
C. How accurate is the equipment.
D. What will you do if my temperature is ‘high’.
E. What is the temperature of a healthy person?
F. Are you liable for any reaction I might have to the procedure.
G. Does taking my temperature on a windy/wet/cold/hot street affect the reading, is this sensible?
H. YES, I understand you are following orders, have you noticed how the thermometer looks like a gun, do you enjoy putting a gun to people’s heads??

TBF H is to be used if the person is a twat or I’ve got the hump.

Can anybody answer E, what is the temperature range of a healthy person and what is the procedure if a person has a high reading? – best of 3, change the batteries, sound a klaxon, run away, cry???

117157 ▶▶ Paul, replying to stefarm, 6, #713 of 1165 🔗

If anyone tries to point one of those things at me they might have a bit of trouble retrieving it from the place I will put it for them.

117162 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Paul, 5, #714 of 1165 🔗

My mate was delivering some stuff to a building site and he said some nutter appeared from nowhere and pointed a plastic gun at him and demanded to take his temperature.

Nearly shit himself. Anything for a quiet life he let him do it.

117337 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Paul, 2, #715 of 1165 🔗

The Spanish always used to use rectal thermometers. So far as I know, they still do. If somebody in a Spanish restaurant wants to take your temperature, you have two options: 1. run, 2. moon.

117568 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to annie, #716 of 1165 🔗


117163 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to stefarm, 17, #717 of 1165 🔗

They tried this on me when I went for a Chinese the other day. Everyone in my group got scanned, I laughed in a “as if!” sort of way, shook my head in a disapproving but non-confrontational way and walked in anyway – they didn’t try and stop me.

All the other diners are now dead, don’t do what I did…

117167 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Tee Ell, 9, #718 of 1165 🔗

Excellent, people really have to start saying no and just ignoring it and pushing back. The look of bewilderment when the script isn’t being followed is brilliant.

117170 ▶▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to stefarm, 1, #719 of 1165 🔗

The look of bewilderment when the script is being followed is brilliant. IF ONLY! (isn’t)

117172 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to stefarm, 2, #720 of 1165 🔗

From my high school biology lessons, I believe 37 degrees is the average temperature of a healthy person.

117175 ▶▶ matt, replying to stefarm, 11, #721 of 1165 🔗

I’ve given up taking offence, mostly because it’s very, very funny. “Need to take your temperature *zap* 34.4. You’re fine”.

Sorry to point this out, but if my temperature is 34.4, I’m dead.

117178 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to matt, 2, #722 of 1165 🔗

I suspect my temp might be 33.

117368 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, #723 of 1165 🔗

Mine’s 98.6

117266 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to matt, 1, #724 of 1165 🔗

How are women having hot flushes affected by this? Does the body temperature increase when this is happening (serious question)?

117285 ▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Tenchy, #725 of 1165 🔗


117305 ▶▶▶▶▶ Judith Day, replying to KBuchanan, #726 of 1165 🔗

And if one is pregnant.

117306 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Tenchy, #727 of 1165 🔗


117820 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Tenchy, #728 of 1165 🔗

Definitely does. Not with a regular oral or aural thermometer, as the flush only gets the skin, you don’t have a fever.

but with those ray gun ones they take the surface temperature and can be massively inaccurate.

On holiday in Barbados last month, we had to queue at the airport for a nurse to give us a cheap digital thermometer and tell us to fill in a temperature sheet twice a day. Did it the first morning out of curiousity and I was 33.5 and my husband 34.3. We had both developed hypothermia in the night. Whoever got that contract supplying cheap shit thermometers to the Bajan government must have been laughing all the way to the bank.

Nobody ever asked for the sheets anyway and our entirely fabricated temperatures. You know if you have a fever. You feel like shit. So stupid.

117367 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to matt, #729 of 1165 🔗

Uber-cool certainly.

117221 ▶▶ Lydia, replying to stefarm, 2, #730 of 1165 🔗

My sons football club takes temperature with the gun! I’ve asked these questions to them. Apparently the temperature guns are very accurate and reliable and it widely used within the NHS?!
Anything over 37.8 and we are not allowed on club premises and have to go home and follow gov guidelines!

117238 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Lydia, 1, #731 of 1165 🔗

Interesting to know what temps they are recording after 45 mins of intensive exercise or is that different because reasons.

117262 ▶▶▶▶ Lydia, replying to Nessimmersion, #732 of 1165 🔗

They take the temperature before training and matches commence.

117471 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Lydia, #733 of 1165 🔗

OK, thus carefully avoiding parents knowing what skin temps get up to after exercise, in case it becomes too obvious the whole thing is bollocks on stilts.

117615 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Lydia, #734 of 1165 🔗

They reduced the temperature from 38.6 to 37.8. Sneaky. Ms Tenpenny said it on Richie Allen months ago.

117248 ▶▶ davews, replying to stefarm, 1, #735 of 1165 🔗

36.5-37.8C (or some say 37.5). I gather some of the places using these thermometers treat anything over 37.5 as dangerous. (from Wikipedia)

117434 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to davews, 1, #736 of 1165 🔗

Your forehead is a bit colder than the inside of your body. If you were 37.5 with one of those IR guns you probably would have a bit of a temperature.

117582 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to guy153, #737 of 1165 🔗

Thanks. I still am very concerned that people are using these thermometers and making decisions when they have no medical knowledge at all. I would normally expect to have a bit of a temperature when I turn up at a pub at the end of my 8 miles walks.

117620 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to davews, #738 of 1165 🔗

Quite likely yes. The thermometer however is a good test because it will find symptomatic people (with some false positives but not bad) in a non-invasive way compared to a swab and much more cheaply. Compared to masking and locking down the completely healthy and PCR testing everyone it provides much more bang for the buck. Might be useful in the next pandemic.

117364 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to stefarm, 2, #739 of 1165 🔗

H. Yes, I understand you’re following orders. That’s what the Nazis said at Nuremburg. They still dangled and strangled them for it.

117435 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #740 of 1165 🔗

Creates an alarmingly satisfying mental picture…

117563 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, 1, #741 of 1165 🔗

John C. Woods, the US Army sergeant used as executioner for the senior Nazis, was not a competent hangman.

117593 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #742 of 1165 🔗

What a pity.

117154 Caramel, 4, #743 of 1165 🔗

Interview with Dr Simon Thornley.

Tomorrow they will have a webinar where you can ask questions. The recording will be posted to their Youtube channel. It’s at 8:30 a.m. Monday if you want to join on their Facebook page.

117165 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 26, #744 of 1165 🔗

I had a new lady come and clean for me on Friday. She was wearing a N95 respirator mask. I wasn’t sure whether it was from fear of germs or because she said she was allergic to cats. I have 4. Today she texted me to say she wasn’t returning as she had been ill with asthma and allergies since she returned home. How can N95s and other masks be useful against viruses if they can’t even protect against the much larger particles of cat dander?

117335 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 3, #745 of 1165 🔗

You are well rid of her.
Greetings to the four cats!

117166 linda, 4, #746 of 1165 🔗

because they’ve induced fear over the past 9 months- and friends an associates still think we are conspiracy junkies. this is unbelievable- have you all seen the document from the government changing the medical law for humans so unlicensed vaccines can be speedily provided and administered, we have 19 days to comment on it! The law will make unlicensed vaccines freely available and that non medically trained staff including local authorities will be legally able to give the vaccine. This new law will also negate any liability of pharmaceutical companies should damage
to an individual occu vaccine – here is the link on the film ; https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=313896283038317&extid=e056QQYi4JRYRgdB

117174 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 28, #747 of 1165 🔗

Spotted this in the comments to Hitchen’s article:

“After 25 years as a lawyer in a supposedly well-functioning constitutional state, I have been deeply concerned about our country since April.
Never in the history of mankind have the healthy been locked away and massively persecuted in order to fight an epidemic.
Never before has the entire economy and society been paralysed in order to combat an epidemic. Never before have such drastic and inhumane measures been enacted under the threat and enforcement of the most massive fines and criminal proceedings that have divided and frightened our country ever since. And freedom of expression, which has been standardised in the Basic Law and has always been so high- has never been put to the test as it is now.”
These comments were not made by a UK or Australian citizen but on the 21/7/20 by the German medical lawyer Beate Bahner in a speech addressing her harassment and sectioning by the German authorities in Heidelberg for challenging laws passed in Germany under coronavirus emergency legislation. She continues
“I never thought that the Federal Republic of Germany would persecute with such police brutality a lawyer who merely defends her legal opinion. I never thought that the police would block my homepage on Easter Saturday because of a legal opinion and the invitation to a demonstration, a nationwide demonstration. I never thought that I could be mercilessly persecuted by the police in Heidelberg in the days leading up to Easter.
I never thought that as a respected lawyer, I could be taken to a Heidelberg psychiatric institution with massive police force and in hand restraints, as an honest lawyer with a good reputation, and that the police there, in handcuffs up my back, push me to my knees and brutally hit my head on the stone floor in the presence of at least four hospital employees.
I never thought that because of my legal opinion, as well as Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg and many others,that I could be defamed and marginalized as a right-wing radical or as a conspiracy theorist.
At the beginning of April I woke up in the morning with an unprecedented horror. Today I know that this horror was indeed a great shock, a trauma about the complete collapse of our legal system in Germany that I felt.”
What you report happening in the UK and Australia Mr Hitchens, is happening all over the world and in many so-called democracies.


117204 ▶▶ nat, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #748 of 1165 🔗

This is so shocking.

117303 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to nat, 4, #749 of 1165 🔗

It is truly shocking how close the forces of authority are to barbarity if allowed.
That video of the policeman in Melbourne grappling with a woman is something I never thought I would see.

117359 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to WhyNow, 4, #750 of 1165 🔗

Power corrupts,and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

117210 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #751 of 1165 🔗

A woman on this blog asked this question about a month ago. Paraphrasing her: ‘If a 4 level lab can’t stop a virus from spreading than how effective is a mask’? I’ll look for the source later. In my opinion, the best comment yet.

117233 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to richard riewer, 9, #752 of 1165 🔗

Visual version here

117617 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #753 of 1165 🔗

I want one.

117253 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #754 of 1165 🔗

suggest you cc this t Toby/Will for tomorrow’s edition.

117333 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #755 of 1165 🔗

A brave statement by a brave man.
Not since the Nazis…

117358 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #756 of 1165 🔗

Well, you’d never find the police in this country behaving so badly. Oh, wait…

117192 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #757 of 1165 🔗


September 17 is the day the penny should start to drop in Ireland for workers in businesses not allowed to re-open (pubs mainly). They have been sacrificed for the emotions of bedwetters.

117356 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ewan Duffy, #758 of 1165 🔗

A shame it takes something like this to wake people up. On this side of the sea the fateful date is 1st October, when the furlough comes to an end.

117561 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, #759 of 1165 🔗

24 days to go….

117197 jim j, replying to jim j, 15, #760 of 1165 🔗

I really get the sense more and more, that even though this is difficult to live through in real-time for us all, there is going to be an a la WMDs moment at the end of this.
Why? Take for example the BBC Sunday show today – problems like the shortcomings of PCR testing is finally becoming the media narrative, now I don’t know what they were doing in May when it was apparent to all on this thread, but certainly it’s there now.
I’ve always been an optimist, but I do see the worm turning out there.
Better days ahead!

117239 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to jim j, 5, #761 of 1165 🔗

Good, good! Stay positive! I like those last three words (Pandora’s Box is one of my favourite Greek myths).

117250 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #762 of 1165 🔗

Indeed. I think it is the key to unlocking a lot of the fear agenda. The fact tests are not fit for purpose is evident. How they have a right to tell anyone they must stay at home for two weeks when they feel fine is cannot be supported at all without a valid test.

117331 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #763 of 1165 🔗

Yes, there’s always hope.
Stick it out, me hearties.

117543 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Mr Dee, #764 of 1165 🔗

Better than Cassandra.

117412 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to jim j, 1, #765 of 1165 🔗

Timing dear boy, timing. As ‘Brexit Day’ looms, the MSM will start to expose Johnson’s inept handling of this pantomime in order to destabilize the Government and ‘hopefully’ cancel or postpone the whole thing.Although they were instrumental in pushing the fear factor they will claim that they were only following the Governments line in order to “keep people safe”. Meanwhile in the US, the virus goes when Trump goes. The population over there is being locked down so that they can’t go out to vote; they send in the dodgy postal votes instead and the election is fixed in favour of Biden……Anyway, these ‘theories’ make as much sense as any other……

117203 Castendo, replying to Castendo, -2, #766 of 1165 🔗
117214 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Castendo, 1, #767 of 1165 🔗

Fake news.

117216 ▶▶▶ Castendo, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #768 of 1165 🔗

tnx, I’ll dig more about it.

117217 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Castendo, 1, #769 of 1165 🔗

Apologies for my less than helpful initial response. I’ve explained my guess on what’s going on in response to Basics who has shared the same thing a few posts below yours.

117219 ▶▶▶▶▶ Castendo, replying to Tee Ell, #770 of 1165 🔗

De nada

117218 ▶▶▶ Castendo, replying to Tee Ell, #771 of 1165 🔗


300215 – Immunological products, put up in measured doses/forms/packings, for retail sale – Canadian Importers Database (CID)

They refer the same product code here… dunno…

117560 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Castendo, #772 of 1165 🔗

This just might be the packaging, the plastic thing that holds the test thing, I think roadside drug tests use a similar method of holding the test thingy.

The plastic thing might just be like a case for a USB data stick or a case of a biro…

But yer I think some people probably knew The Corona Project was coming down the pipe a long time before many other people knew about it.

117212 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 9, #773 of 1165 🔗

Not just Scotland, apparently:

Pupils starting in Year 7 and those returning for their first day of Year 11 at Unsworth Academy in Bury were told to eat outside as part of the new safety measures introduced amid the ongoing coronavirus pandemic.
But because of the heavy rain and wind on Wednesday, many were left soaked and unable to eat their food as they struggled to hold umbrellas while sitting outside.

…. Mum Louise, whose two children were back on Wednesday, the youngest starting her first day in Year 7, said: “They actually didn’t eat their dinner at all until they got home as it was all getting wet so her memory of her first day at high school was cold, wet and hungry. Other children were taking shelter under a tree or table tennis tables.


117226 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Cheezilla, 27, #774 of 1165 🔗

What kind of teachers allow that to happen? Where were the teachers eating their dinners? If I forced my daughter to eat outside in the pouring rain, social services would drag me to the courts.

117623 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #775 of 1165 🔗

If a parent did that the parent would be taken to court and perhaps have its child taken away.

117258 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #776 of 1165 🔗

So the kids will get pneumonia instead, which is more deadly for them than Covid. When did child abuse become good public health policy?

117427 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #777 of 1165 🔗

If they’d introduced the eat out to help out scheme in schools they could have sat inside.

117460 ▶▶ Old Bill, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #778 of 1165 🔗

Other children were taking shelter under a tree

And remember children are far more likely to be struck by lightning than to die from covid – maybe the teachers should add that to their ‘risk assessments’.

117496 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #779 of 1165 🔗

Raise a child safeguarding issue with the local authority or even the school itself.

117505 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to p02099003, #780 of 1165 🔗

https://unsworthacademy.org.uk/parents/ the school promises to look after the children in the school/parent/child agreement.
They also have a complaints process

117228 Tommo, replying to Tommo, 4, #781 of 1165 🔗

Do we have any reliable data from Belarus? I seem to remember Belarus president refused to lockdown, saying western countries are a bit mad. Do we know what happened next? Did they have unprecedented death toll? Would we have any reliable way of knowing?

117232 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Tommo, 3, #782 of 1165 🔗

Total cases



https://www.google.com/search?q=belarus+covid+deaths&oq=belarus+covid+deaths&aqs=chrome ..69i57.2609j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

The country’s undergoing a coup at the moment.


Also, the World Bank tried to bribe the President of Belarus into an Italian style lockdown.


117287 ▶▶▶ Youth_Unheard, replying to Mr Dee, #783 of 1165 🔗

The annoying this is because he is also a bit crazy those figures aren’t the most trustworthy. While we want the figures to be that, we cannot conclude yet that they are fact. We have to deal with things that are 99.9% certain(because 100% is practically impossible!)

117288 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Youth_Unheard, #784 of 1165 🔗

Yep I know – but those are the ‘official’ figures to date, for what that’s worth. Excellent point though Rona.

117324 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Mr Dee, #785 of 1165 🔗

Research who the “opposition candidates” were, then see what happened when they last the election and see the parallels with Ukraine.

117566 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Awkward Git, #786 of 1165 🔗

US led opposition to box Russia in.How can our politicians keep a straight face when they complain about lack of democracy in Belarus,

117624 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mr Dee, #787 of 1165 🔗

The World Bank is Blackmail Central.

117249 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Tommo, 2, #788 of 1165 🔗

Hi Tommo,
Do we have any reliable data from Belarus?
For some reason this had me in hysterics, nothing to do with Belarus – just the very fact we are all asking these sorts of questions on a sunny Sunday afternoon.

117252 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Tommo, 3, #789 of 1165 🔗

Well they decided to start a revolution instead, unlike all the other dictatorships they didn’t lock down and control the sheeples…

117557 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Tommo, #790 of 1165 🔗

Hardly any deaths that’s why he has to go

117251 ajb97b, replying to ajb97b, 19, #791 of 1165 🔗

the government claims that in t he last months or so the prevalence of COVID virus infection has increased. [of course this is actually or largely due to a 2-3 fold increase in the amount of Pillar 2 testing in that period]

But interestingly, this time period is coincident with when we’ve all been forced to wear masks in shops.

Ergo, masks are causing the virus to spread. So masks should be banned immediately

117254 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to ajb97b, 5, #792 of 1165 🔗

Masks are excellent for speeding up herd immunity…

117272 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Major Panic, 9, #793 of 1165 🔗

And spreading colds, sickness and diarrhoea…

117286 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to ajb97b, 10, #794 of 1165 🔗

Just been to Sainsbury’s ignored all signage and entered via the exit and didn’t explode into a million pieces, walking back 2 young women were walking towards me, 1 carrying her blue mask by the strap, it was doubling up as a fine wind sock.

Hmm I thought, that can’t be healthy, just then she dropped it onto the pavement, chased it and then picked up.

Hmm I thought, that definitely can’t be healthy.

Strange days.

117552 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to ajb97b, 1, #795 of 1165 🔗

Masks are excellent at preventing any interpersonal communication, like the isolation of lockdown isolation that you carry around with you on your face. This has got to be stop people talking to each other.

117255 BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 3, #796 of 1165 🔗

Can anyone point me to the source for the SPI-B minutes on ‘ramping up the fear’ because they thought the Brits wouldn’t accept lockdown? The meeting must have been in March but the minutes came out in ?July?

117279 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Arkansas, #798 of 1165 🔗

Thanks – excellent – I’d managed to find the haystack but couldn’t locate the needle!

117556 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to BTLnewbie, #799 of 1165 🔗

It was leaked to UK Column in May.They have a big segment on it.

117260 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 13, #800 of 1165 🔗

Very wise words from Prof. Ronan Collins in this video:


I think a lot of older people are now expressing the feeeling that maybe life isn’t worth living any longer” Professor Rónán Collins on the impact Covid 19 & the measures being taken to halt the virus are having on our society

117329 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #801 of 1165 🔗

For whom is life worth living just now? Handjob, Krankie, Dan, Ferguson …?

117263 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 4, #802 of 1165 🔗

Tally is the new word


Deaths, hospital admissions, infections, cases, tally

117424 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Cecil B, #803 of 1165 🔗

Tally ho chaps!

117555 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Nobody2020, #804 of 1165 🔗

“In that case, tinkety tonk” and I meant it to sting.

117548 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Cecil B, 1, #805 of 1165 🔗

This is a diminishing word for score, makes it a bit more like fun or something..hummm

117273 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 11, #806 of 1165 🔗

The figures are just in. I’m going to do an MSM here:

2988 positive tests, and VERY LARGE INCREASE from yesterday.

2 deaths.

117276 ▶▶ hotrod, replying to Tenchy, #807 of 1165 🔗

Question is why such a jump in a day.

Hospitalisations and deaths still down.

But those cases are surely coming from returning holidaymakers.

117280 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to hotrod, 2, #808 of 1165 🔗

Maybe they bunged in a backlog of test results onto today’s figures; they’ve done it before. Anyone know how long the time interval (on average) is between a test being carried out and the result, if positive, being reported on the government website?

117352 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tenchy, #809 of 1165 🔗

They’re still ramping up the testing. People returning to school and work tomorrow. People returning from holiday.

117354 ▶▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Tenchy, 1, #810 of 1165 🔗

If you drill down the figures it looks like a catch up after the bank holiday. Few tests taken the last three days of August, many the first two days of September.

117395 ▶▶▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to Yawnyaman, #811 of 1165 🔗

Can you provide a link to that please?

117281 ▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to Tenchy, 12, #812 of 1165 🔗

Arrrhhhh! Why can’t they get this into their thick sculls that this is good news? 2988 positive tests, these are probably healthy people most of whom will not develop symptoms.

This should be the MSM headline: Only two deaths were reported yesterday. We have flattened the curve and normal life will now continue,  without restrictions.

And then I woke up.

117284 ▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to Laura Suckling, #813 of 1165 🔗

Is there a map of where these new cases come from also an age breakdown that shows the distribution.

117301 ▶▶▶▶ Laura Suckling, replying to hotrod, 3, #814 of 1165 🔗

Sorry, no. I was just responding to Tenchy’s post above.

The thing is, what do cases matter when they are just positive results and not necessarily illnesses or deaths.

Remember when we had a daily death count and not a daily case count? One could be cynical and surmise that as the death count has drastically diminished the case count is now publicised instead.

117309 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to hotrod, 3, #815 of 1165 🔗

It’s all irrelevant since the term ‘cases’ has been rendered meaningless in relation to any recognised illness.

117348 ▶▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to RickH, 2, #816 of 1165 🔗

That’s why they have started to use ‘infections’

117547 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #817 of 1165 🔗

The Acid STILL hasn’t worn off.

117625 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #818 of 1165 🔗

And they went back to sleep.

117299 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Tenchy, 4, #819 of 1165 🔗

No you need TERRIFYING increase

117277 nat, replying to nat, 4, #820 of 1165 🔗

Here’s a wonderful example of the Daily Mail creating a fake news story in an attempt to quash the “conspiracy ” of the widely reported fact that in the US, the CDC quietly updated the Covid number to admit that only 6% of all the 153,504 deaths recorded actually died from Covid 19 – 9,210 deaths. The other 94% had 2 to 3 other serious illnesses


The article might as well be written in Martian for all the sense it makes, a masterclass in obfuscation. Never mind that it doesn’t make sense, DM must have thought, we will make it sound complicated and say it’s the opinion of a top doctor so the readers will believe it. We were not fooled DM; it was later quietly deleted and the real story reported as fact the next day


Toby has included JP’s wonderful spoof of this story today “ New Revelations on the COVID Death Count

117283 ▶▶ Youth_Unheard, replying to nat, 10, #821 of 1165 🔗

Just saw some video of a US doctor dealing with the “misinformation” yet again confusing what we are pointing out with this. We are not saying that Covid did not contribute to the other 140000 deaths, just that these others all had other medical complications. Yes, a majority of people have multiple causes on their death certificates, this is not new. But it is yet more good news in that it doesn’t affect healthy people!!! I cannot grasp how doctors, scientists, professors, basically anyone with a brain, can read the figures from the CDC/ONS and see it as yet more evidence we have an indiscriminate killer on the loose. People die. They need to learn to live with that fact.

117294 ▶▶▶ nat, replying to Youth_Unheard, 6, #822 of 1165 🔗

We are getting wise to their tricks !

117298 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Youth_Unheard, 8, #823 of 1165 🔗

“Complications” is a polite term. It suggests an unfortunate soul with perhaps diabetes , or maybe on dialysis. Something serious but not life threatening if treated. But the age of Covid deaths (85+) together with the conditions on the death certificate (dementia or alzheimer’s etc, all the usual causes of death among the elderly) suggest more than a complication, more like a terminal illness.

117732 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Youth_Unheard, 1, #824 of 1165 🔗

Someone’s just had an extra addition to their death certificate all right!:

117627 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to nat, #825 of 1165 🔗

The government should create a Minister for Obfuscation.

117292 dpj, replying to dpj, 14, #826 of 1165 🔗

I went in to Glasgow Green earlier and to be honest was not impressed. There were about 100 there and the main speaker was Sean something who said he was an investigative journalist and then went on about the government being a secret child trafficking organisation, 5G, 9/11 conspiracies and the ‘hoax virus’. I left after 20 mins.
The media will already have been prepared to describe it as ‘conspiracy theorists’ and to be honest that’s what it would have seemed to be to anyone passing by. There may or may not be any truth to what he was saying but I would have been much happier listening to someone like Malcolm Kendrick talking real facts about Covid.
Trying to engage with the brainwashed to encourage them to waken up does not work if you say ‘hoax virus’. They will immediately counter with ‘My Aunt Mary’s postman’s Mum died of covid so it’s definitely real’ and then that’s conversation over. I have had more success when I say it’s ‘overhyped’ or ‘blown out of proportion’ and then use facts from websites such as ONS or NHS that people will accept to back it up.

117304 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to dpj, 1, #827 of 1165 🔗

Yup, looks like it’s a surreptitious online battle for us vs the government and Chinese bots 😫

117313 ▶▶ RickH, replying to dpj, 3, #828 of 1165 🔗

The only benefit from every barmy hobby horse being linked to Covid scepticism accrues to the establishment.

117327 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to dpj, 12, #829 of 1165 🔗

Yes, I had to go down the ‘overblown’ track with my mate the other day (a reunion after three years!), who at the first whiff of heresy from me told me he’d known three people who had died ‘from’ it. I left it that, though the conversation did steer towards the corruption of governments, and how profitable this was for Big Pharma. He was a curious mix of ‘brainwashed’ and ‘sceptical’.

He was also pro-mask, and bombarded me with scientific facts that sounded of dubious provenance, but gave me a big hug when he saw me (and when we bumped into a friend of his he hadn’t seen for years, he asked him ‘Are you shaking?” offering his hand – they shook.).

I’ve a feeling the mask-wearing is part of his semi-woke virtue signalling (he is a supporter of BLM). Gently, gently, gently – I don’t want to lose friends over this (especially as I know he’ll be proved wrong in the coming year or so…)

117345 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to dpj, 5, #830 of 1165 🔗

Beginning to think these ‘conspiracy theorists’ are brought out on purpose to expose the whole ‘Sceptic’ movement as a bunch of cranks…

117377 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to T. Prince, 1, #831 of 1165 🔗

That’s a good conspiracy theory in itself…

But why was Icke ejected from Youtube, in that case? (Or was that done to make the ‘plant’ seem more convincing?)

117398 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Mr Dee, #832 of 1165 🔗

Who knows? I think we’re all just trying to make sense of the whole charade because it just doesn’t make sense.Then you see something like this and it just adds to the confusion.Posted earlier, WTF is a BBC is a ‘Specialist Disinformation Reporter’?! Shouldn’t ALL journalists be called this now?


117522 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to T. Prince, #833 of 1165 🔗

Here’s an article that tries to make sense of it:

The question is…is this campaign of fear a spontaneous overreaction to a new virus, or was it organized by somebody to achieve some malicious goals?”


117727 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Mr Dee, #834 of 1165 🔗

It certainly appears as though the tech companies are colluding to attack or banish anybody that might possibly be inconvenient… particularly with the November election rapidly approaching, I believe a tech expert testified to the US Congress some time ago, that Google & co could easily collude to influence 15 million+ votes. A lot of stuff happening right now in t’internet land..

117569 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to T. Prince, 1, #835 of 1165 🔗

I do wonder about this new WITS thing that has turned up. The source is so credible and the evidence seemingly unassailable, but on the face of it it’s so exceptionally unlikely. My low-grade paranoia has kicked in and now I wonder whether this has just been created to make us all start talking about the smoking gun, so we’re all dismissible crackpots.

Either way, I’m not buying it.

117379 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to dpj, 4, #836 of 1165 🔗

I am finding good ground just keeping onto people about the tests not being fit for purpose.

We have low deaths, hospitalisation rates. Once this cases thing is unravelled by the ineffective test apparatus, what’s left?

There’ll still be 5g and NWO lizards. But we will have won. Scepticism will have its day

117385 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #837 of 1165 🔗

Yes, Carl Henaghan seems to be doing a good job of discrediting the government(s) almost single handedly by getting death no reduced, hospital number in Scotland revised and now an article on BBC criticising testing so Covid house of cards is gradually collapsing. If we keep focusing on these figures then progress will be made in right direction.

117562 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #838 of 1165 🔗

It seems like people are folding like wet cardboard. Maybe I’m leaving a trail of people in my wake who are thinking “what a nutter, thank Christ he’s gone” but my recent experience tells me that everyone is either there already or just needs the slightest nudge to admit it’s stupid.

Even if it’s option 1, I’ll keep buggering on regardless.

117631 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to matt, 2, #839 of 1165 🔗

Bugger on regardless.

117296 Judith Day, replying to Judith Day, #840 of 1165 🔗

Can anyone help. Trying to access the TCW website, I keep getting a ‘Forbidden. you do not have the authority to access this page’

Conspiracy or just a gremlin?

117316 ▶▶ davews, replying to Judith Day, #841 of 1165 🔗

They have had server issues in the past couple of days with it very slow to load and comments not showing. There was a post there at the time (which seemed to have disappeared this morning).

117321 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Judith Day, #842 of 1165 🔗

Gremlin -the website is often a bit random.

117307 Laura Suckling, replying to Laura Suckling, 4, #843 of 1165 🔗

Carl Vernon’s latest:


Mask song for kids, nothing sinister about this at all. Please note the singers were not masked due to it being impossible to sing with a face nappy on. So, is it possible to play, run about, enjoy being a kid with the blooming mask in place? Or, are children expected not to do so in future?

117320 ▶▶ annie, replying to Laura Suckling, 8, #844 of 1165 🔗

Childhood has been abolished. Along with Faith, Hope and Charity.

117637 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, 1, #845 of 1165 🔗

Diabolical. Unacceptable. Bring down the government!

117621 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #846 of 1165 🔗

Grab a vomit bucket before watching.

117635 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #847 of 1165 🔗

I remember 1984’s ‘We are the World, we are the Children’ and all those Coca-Cola feelgood adverts. Now the children are forced to wear masks if they want to sing.

117687 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Laura Suckling, 1, #848 of 1165 🔗

Seen all the books for kids on mask-wearing? Equally horrifying..

117314 Tim Bidie, 10, #849 of 1165 🔗

My guess is that we will not get a public inquiry until mid 2021 at the earliest, probably much later so that it does not publish its report before the next election.

But when it comes, as come it must, there really is no place for the British government and its advisers to hide:

‘What is the actual scale of the outbreak? How much larger is it compared to the official “confirmed” cases?

There’s a vast underreporting of cases in China. Compared to Sars and Mers we are talking about a coronavirus that has a mortality rate of 8 to 10 times less deadly to Sars to Mers. So a correct comparison is not Sars or Mers but a severe cold. Basically this is a severe form of the cold.’

‘Your colleague at HK university estimated that the size of the infected population on Jan 25th was 75K with a doubling time of 6.4 days. So by feb first we would have 150k infected. How accurate do you think these models are and how accurate have they been in the past?

Those figures did not take into account restriction on travel, quarantine etc… These reports are likely on the high side. This is not taking into account social distancing. Historically these models have not been all that accurate.

When do you think this thing will peak?

Three things the virus does not like 1) sunlight 2) temperature and 3) humidity. To make you guys really worried. A coronavirus can survive on a stainless steel surface for 36 hours. It hangs around for quite a bit.

Sunlight will cut the virus ability to grow in half so the half-life will be 2.5 minutes and in the dark it’s about 13m to 20m. Sunlight is really good at killing viruses. That’s why I believe that Australia and the southern hemisphere will not see any great infections rates because they have lots of sunlight and they are in the middle of summer. And Wuhan and Beijing is still cold which is why there’s high infection rates.

In regards to temperature, the virus can remain intact at 4 degrees or 10 degrees for a longer period of time. But at 30 degrees then you get inactivation. And High humidity the virus doesn’t like it either. That’s why I think Sars stopped around May and June in 2003 – that’s when there’s more sunlight and more humidity. The environment is a crucial factor. The environment will be unfavourable for growth around May. The evidence is to look at the common cold – it’s always during winter. So the natural environment will not be favourable in Asia in about May.

The second factor is that of personal contact. With Sars once it was discovered that the virus was spread through the fecal oral route there was much less emphasis on the masks and far more emphasis on disinfection and washing hands. HK has far more cleanliness (than China) and they are very aware of social hygiene. And other countries will be more aware of the social hygiene (than China). So in those countries you should see less outbreaks and spreading. A couple days ago the fecal-oral route of transmission was confirmed in Shenzhen.’

Professor John Nicholls, Coronavirus expert, Hong Kong University 06 February 2020

‘What have we been witnessing these past few months? A worldwide crisis caused by the arrival of a new virus of exceptional virulence — or a crisis of awareness, in which incomplete information led to a wildly disproportionate reaction? Have lockdowns, face coverings and the rest saved millions of lives worldwide? Or have they had relatively little effect on the course of the pandemic, and ended up causing more harm than good?’

A recent Swedish study of ‘Covid deaths’ outside hospitals found that only 15 percent of them died as a direct result of the virus. For most, there were other factors.

So it’s far from clear that Covid deaths are of a greater magnitude than a bad flu season.’

‘…. one thing has been clear for months: this virus is similar to other viruses we have lived with for generations. And there is very little evidence to support the benefits of the lockdown measures.

The case for returning to normal life is simple: the social, economic and public health costs of not doing so are far greater.’

Dr John Lee, Retired NHS Consultant  29 August 2020

The longer a public inquiry is delayed, the worse its impact will be on the reputations of all involved.

The tatters of a previous leader’s reputation provides a cautionary tale:

‘Blair remains largely hated by the electorate; indeed, recent polling suggests that more than half of voters believe Blair’s actions on Iraq are literally unforgivable, placing him beyond the moral pale of humanity itself.’

‘Blair is “our estranged father,” elected as “the country’s cool new dad” but now descended into “delusion.” “Like all bad dads, even after all the shit he’s put us through, he still thinks he knows best.”

‘The most hated man in Britain……’ FP 11 May 2017

117332 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #851 of 1165 🔗

But the sheeple don’t care. Having said that, there are some excellent comments attached to the piece.

117388 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tenchy, 9, #852 of 1165 🔗

My human rights
I’ve forfeited.
I do not care,
I am brain-dead.
Reason and conscience
Fast asleep,
I am the perfect
Zombie sheep.

117328 tonys, replying to tonys, 15, #853 of 1165 🔗

Huge jump in Covid ‘cases’ is great news for sceptics , the government has no realistic option other than to sit on its hands and mouth a few platitudes, while the absurdity of the numbers against actual illness and deaths becomes harder and harder to ignore.

117474 ▶▶ Julian, replying to tonys, 2, #854 of 1165 🔗

That depends if anyone is looking. You’d have thought Sweden was hard to ignore, or the fact that it’s less deadly than some bad flu seasons.

Only have data up to 2nd september here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing but here is a graph showing rolling 7 day average % of tests that are positive. There has been a small increase in recent days, but nothing dramatic.

117527 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to tonys, 2, #855 of 1165 🔗

More cases also reduces the IFR figure too, assuming no corresponding rise in deaths.

117532 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to tonys, 1, #856 of 1165 🔗

And even better, all taking place under the muzzle edicts.

117336 mjr, replying to mjr, 1, #857 of 1165 🔗

Prompted by a comment below and a thought that suddenly came through the ether
This is what we should all be wearing as from tomorrow.
Easily as effective against covid as PPE masks
More comfortable and as you can see. puts a smile on peoples faces


117341 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to mjr, #858 of 1165 🔗

Yes, complimented with a set of ‘donkey ears’!

117347 ▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, 3, #859 of 1165 🔗

this is what i meant to add

117338 DomW, replying to DomW, 17, #860 of 1165 🔗

Big news regarding vitamin D!

A Spanish RCT (randomised controlled trial) found that adding an active form of Vitamin D (Calcifediol) to their standard Covid-19 treatment protocol reduced subsequent ICU admission from 50% to 2%, and death from 7.7% to ZERO. Numbers were on the small side (50 in Calcifediol group, 26 in control group) but due to the scale of the differences in the two groups the odds of this happening by chance are calculated at < 1 in a thousand

Covered in this video, which has a link to the study


117391 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to DomW, 5, #861 of 1165 🔗

Excellent news. Effective treatment will be a much better route forward than a vaccine.

117417 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, 4, #862 of 1165 🔗

You’d think that this is obvious to anyone with a brain. Which suggests ….

117425 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to OKUK, 5, #863 of 1165 🔗

Vitamin D won’t make any money for big Pharma.

117583 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #864 of 1165 🔗

Calcifediol is likely to be synthetic, so maybe more profitable. However, it gets good reviews compared with the more common cholecalciferol.

Cholecalciferol is converted to calcifediol in the body. It’s possible that the ridiculously low doses recommended by TPTB render it less than effective.

117512 ▶▶ DomW, replying to DomW, 2, #865 of 1165 🔗

Video link not working now. I think it’s been taken down.

117614 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to DomW, #866 of 1165 🔗

Was it Dr John Campbell?

117731 ▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to guy153, #867 of 1165 🔗

It was, yes. Not sure why it disappeared. It could have been him, if he found a problem with the study, or it could be some other reason…

You can link to the study from the article below.


117741 ▶▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to DomW, #868 of 1165 🔗

Looks like the link generated was a bad one.

Please try this:


117611 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to DomW, #869 of 1165 🔗

Video now listed as private and requiring sign-in?

117742 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Carrie, #870 of 1165 🔗

Bad link. This one should work


117612 ▶▶ guy153, replying to DomW, 3, #871 of 1165 🔗

This is a massive result. 1 out of 50 in the ICU compared to 13 out of 26 in the group not on calcifediol. All were severe cases.

Here is the paper:


2 out of the 13 in the ICU in the group without the treatment died but ICU survival rates are often worse than that.

This reduces ICU by a factor of about 25 and might therefore reduce the CFR by a factor of 10.

In the early days in NY perhaps all 76 patients would have died or certainly the majority of them.

117770 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to guy153, #872 of 1165 🔗

Astonishing, isn’t it, you might think they’d all been reading Mann’s ‘The Magic Mountain’ all of a sudden?
Seriously, pity they weren’t able to put in obesity as another risk factor, hopefully they will in the 15 hospitals trials.

117343 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 12, #873 of 1165 🔗

Saw a couple of the neighbours i’d not seen for a while today.

Had a good chat, shook hands, both full sceptics even though they both work for Government.

Him and all his colleagues want to get back into the office without “covid safe bullshit” and get after doing their proper jobs, doing what they should be doing and get things back on track rather than doing idiotic make work at home but it’s their upper management and the Minister (won’t say who he works for or the Minister) they report to that is stopping them. They are ready to go and have been for months but hurdles keep getting put in their way.

She said a couple of interesting things as she works with “benefits” is all I say:

  • their office/area has gone from having 30000 “clients” to over 80000 in the past 3 months
  • they have been warned and prepare for a big increase in these numbers starting beginning of October

But one thing for all those looking for work out there and is in the Cheshire/Manchester area (but it could be nationwide but she only knows what is happening in her area) is that the National Careers Service has dropped or lowered a lot of the restrictions in claiming for training and retraining and as she knows that I am current forking our for refresher training for 2 different jobs she says to get a claim in for getting all these reimbursed. Trouble is it’s not widely or publicly advertised.

She says that it will also run until Christmas so do it now if you can if it’s in your area, she has been approving unemployed airline pilots simulator training at £6-10K a go so they can keep their commercial pilot’s licence valid for example which they wouldn’t do before):

  • gone is the savings cap
  • gone is the minimum 6 months unemployed
  • it now covers retraining for a new job/career
  • it now covers refresher training if you need certificates/training if these have expired to get a job in your current career


117529 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #874 of 1165 🔗

4.5 million can be re-trained in the use safe use of PPE and the other 4.5 millon can be re-trained as face-nappy and glove collectors.

Actuall I just had a very interesting conversation with my neighbour. I have had a chat with her hubby a few times since March and he is open minded, he didn’t argue with me about my anti covid views he listened and took it all in which was nice, his wife, the lady I was talking to was a lot more scared and as I understand it fairly into the covid tale of Grimm. I have been avoiding talking to her as I thought she might be quite pro lockdown etc and I didn’t want to upset her. So anyway tonight she listened intently to what I had to say about all the key points in the sceptic arsenal, took it all in, and didn’t fight back, just listened and agreed with me.

This is quite significant. This would not have been possible two weeks ago I don’t think. Could this be that the ice is starting to melt in Narnia?

117531 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, 3, #875 of 1165 🔗

The ice has been melting for a little while. Underneath mostly, and out of sight. But people who were on the fence are now taking sides. Those who’ve been had and are prepared to admit it, are now taking sides.

Soon, we may even see the first signs of spring.

117610 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #876 of 1165 🔗

I think Hancock mentioning people being regularly tested may have woken some people to to the control agenda.. People may be realising now, that talk of immunity passports is not merely a conspiracy theory..

117655 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nick Rose, #877 of 1165 🔗

Four months late.

117608 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, #878 of 1165 🔗


117360 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 11, #879 of 1165 🔗

Just looked up how many people Asian and Hong Kong flu killed in 1958 and 1968 respectively. Asian flu killed 1.5 to 2 million and the world population was approx 3 billion. The Hong Kong flu killed approx 1 million and the world population 3.9 billion. C19 so far has killed 800k and the world population is nearly 8 billion. Does this mean Asian and Hong Kong flu is twice as deadly as C19?

117374 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Smelly Melly, 8, #880 of 1165 🔗

Yes – especially for anyone under 65!

117394 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #881 of 1165 🔗

It means you are an independent critical thinker and will have your account closed down if you try to put this information out on Twitter, Facebook or You Tube.

117415 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, 4, #882 of 1165 🔗

(No diminution – but you don’t have to be a ‘critical thinker’ – just a sentient human being who can count.)

117660 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to OKUK, #883 of 1165 🔗

I am saying yes to anyone who wants to become my friend on Facebook. Hundreds of them in the past few weeks. I don’t know any of them and I don’t care anymore. If I get closed they will too. Maybe that will wake them up.

117523 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #884 of 1165 🔗

It could be argued that current interventions are merely confounders designed to make such comparisons difficult if not impossible.

But that would be far too cynical wouldn’t it?

117545 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #885 of 1165 🔗

The argument made by an academic (I think) over at the Spectator is that this proves lockdown works.The more you lock down, the fewer the infections, and the fewer deaths. Australia and New Zealand, few deaths, QED.

This misses the point that you can always intervene to delay death from a specific cause. It is the social and economic cost of doing it that is important.

117591 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to WhyNow, 1, #886 of 1165 🔗

See visual representation of the circular arguments of the lockdown lunatics:

117383 Andrew, replying to Andrew, 13, #887 of 1165 🔗

I think the Govt has calculated that public health is their area of vulnerability as all the opposition parties will concentrate on that rather than the economy. That is why they have no issue with masks, lockdowns and quarantines no matter how necessary they are. They don’t mind making u-turns and copying Sturgeon as long as they are not outflanked on safety. Unfortunately this means that Labour, the public sector unions and marxist scientists, groups who have no problem with a wrecked economy, have a virtual veto over any opening up as the Govt has boxed themself in with their philosophy.

117405 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Andrew, 4, #888 of 1165 🔗

Sounds like some kind of trench warfare! A sobering analysis.

117413 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Andrew, -4, #889 of 1165 🔗

Do stop it with the “ and marxist scientists” etc. bollocks – another Icke-like fantasy that diverts from the reality, and makes you look simply barmy.

Peddling other sectarian bullshit is no opposition to Tory bullshit.

117433 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to RickH, 11, #890 of 1165 🔗

But at least one of them is, surely? Susan Michie is a member of sage, and…
She is a member of the Communist Party of Britain


Is it really acceptable for a ‘scientist’ ‘advising’ the government to have such overt political views? If a member of Sage had a strong financial interest in promoting some policy, everyone would should be up in arms about it. I see very little difference between financial interest and a political obsession. It’s whatever floats their boat and to hell with objectivity.

117461 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #891 of 1165 🔗

Is it really acceptable for a ‘scientist’ ‘advising’ the government to have such overt political views ? “

It’s perfectly acceptable that a scientist with political views should be advising the government, in itself. What’s incredible is that a supposedly conservative government (LOL, I know) should be stupid enough to think that such a person’s advice won’t be coloured by her opinions – in a social manipulation role ffs!, and would choose such a scientist over others with more sensible attitudes.

And no, I don’t for a second believe she was “the best person for the job”. There are always alternatives and there is never a single clear cut “best person”. In my experience, everyone thinks they are irreplaceable and nobody ever is.

117570 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark, 1, #892 of 1165 🔗

Michie is a behavioural scientist, ie nudge unit not medical or epidemiologist.

117599 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Mark, 1, #893 of 1165 🔗

There are two problems with Susan Michie. The first, is that she has been engaged as an expert in behaviour and psychology in a time where a nominally conservative government is seeking to impose unparalleled restrictions on the populace, while she describes herself (among other things) a political activist and is a member of the communist party.

The second, is that she appears in the media, through her position as part of the SAGE committee, as a generic expert on the pandemic, while her only qualifications are as a o psychologist and behavioural expert.

117466 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to RickH, 2, #894 of 1165 🔗


‘Most UK doctors are left-leaning and liberal, but political views vary significantly by specialty, grade and income.

Doctors in the UK have voted differently to the general public in recent polls’

‘Seventy participants (6% of total) opted out of the question and entered an alternative descriptive term, for example “socialist” or “libertarian”.’


117483 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #895 of 1165 🔗

But remember, claims that there is a left-leaning, anti-nationalist social “elite” in this country (and most of the rest of the US sphere) are “conspiracy theories”.

117540 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Mark, 1, #896 of 1165 🔗

Like PrickH, he thinks being a thieving robbing communist is sensible and people who believe in looking after themselves are somehow a problem. It’s almost like these socialist pricks think they’ve a god given right to your money

117785 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Biker, #897 of 1165 🔗


117534 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to RickH, #898 of 1165 🔗

Who you stealing money from today to line your pockets

117389 tonys, replying to tonys, 9, #899 of 1165 🔗

Odd news broadcasts on Sky and ITV at the moment, they seem to be playing down the national Covid ‘cases’ as they rise with mention of the large increase in testing, n they go to a local area like Bolton and it’s all fear fear fear again and any local found not to be fully on board with the localised closedown is branded a ‘denier’ (ITV actually stated a man was ‘in denial’ , which amounts to the same thing). How long can it be before the inherent contradiction involved, which at the moment they are dealing with by the tried and trusted tactic of ignoring it starts to unravel?

117441 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to tonys, 4, #900 of 1165 🔗

In denial isn’t that a river in Egypt…boom boom.

117390 Cheezilla, 2, #901 of 1165 🔗

Andrew Lawrence on the XR protest:


117393 Newmill Mark, replying to Newmill Mark, 5, #902 of 1165 🔗

Good grief, it has finally happened – the Guardian has actually published an article containing a modicum of sense regarding covid.

117402 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Newmill Mark, 7, #903 of 1165 🔗

The ‘sense’ is very much a ‘modicum’ – and with very little sense, given the fictional estimates of ‘lives saved by lock-down’, which are numerically pure bollocks. This is especially true when Fergusson’s fairy stories (aka ‘modelling’) are taken as a baseline. But Ormerod’s gullibility, given what we know now about the wildly exaggerated ‘Covid’ figures is better only in scale, rather than methodology.

Bottom line : economic losses have to be traded off against a normal year when a minor upsurge like Covid would have been totally ignored. The immensity of the loss is far greater than The Groan could ever admit – even without the incalculable social costs being factored into the equation.

117453 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to RickH, 2, #904 of 1165 🔗

Exactly. As far as cost/benefit is concerned it’s basically all a huge cost to the nation for basically no benefit.

Just as all the immense productivity costs we are imposing on our businesses and state activities with absurd “social distancing” and other precautions are basically just straight increased costs with pretty much no associated benefits.

The result can only be a far poorer nation.

117525 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mark, 4, #905 of 1165 🔗

The strategy is to destroy small and medium-size businesses.

117602 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew, replying to PastImperfect, #906 of 1165 🔗

The agenda.

117686 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Kate, replying to Andrew, #907 of 1165 🔗

The Guardian is reporting the cost to the nation because the intention is to use coronavirus to impose further austerity on the nation. There is another report in today’s website to say that the planned rise in minimum wage cannot now occur because of the cost of coronavirus.

117730 ▶▶▶ Newmill Mark, replying to RickH, #908 of 1165 🔗

Definitely not saying it’s perfect, more expressing my surprise and amazement! Literally the first guardian staff article of this nature, and as a now-reformed ex guardian reader I have been keeping a close eye on them online

117404 ▶▶ Tommo, replying to Newmill Mark, 1, #909 of 1165 🔗

Larry definitely a sceptic deep down. Just works for a paper which believes in lockdowns and masks, so suspect he has to moderate himself. Surely the tide is turning now. Surely!

117407 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Tommo, 7, #910 of 1165 🔗

Not at all. Just been talking to my daughter in Glasgow, where the Mad Wee Krankie has just imposed more jackboot stuff on the basis of ‘cases’ aka ‘total bollocks’.

117662 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to RickH, #911 of 1165 🔗

She’s a case, a headcase.

117564 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Newmill Mark, #912 of 1165 🔗

Unfortunately he doesn’t point out that most people who died were in their 80s!

117399 mjr, replying to mjr, 5, #913 of 1165 🔗

Coming to a street near you from Hong Kong via Australia.
Two comments.

  • Authorities postponing elections due to Covid. But according to the figures there isnt any Covid in China now – or so they tell us
  • Watched this on C4 news. These protesters are “fighting for democracy” according to C4. However the same events in UK – “well they are conspiracy nutters aren’t they”
117432 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to mjr, 8, #914 of 1165 🔗

Re Demos: The same happened in Germany: Foreign Minister calls onto Belarus govt to allow people to use their democratic right to protest. Same day Berlin govt official declares Querdenken Demo illegal. Luckily court did not think so.

117401 Fruitbat, 5, #915 of 1165 🔗

Lawyer Dr Rainer Füllmich presents his reasoning for and an outline of the class-action suit being brought by him in concert with a large US law firm against relevant nation states that enacted lockdowns, and against manufacturers and sellers of the PCR test that is the legal foundation for those lockdowns. The PCR test is, in the opinion of the legal team, wholly unsuited to this diagnostic task as it cannot identify infections.”
German with English subtitles.

117406 mjr, replying to mjr, 7, #916 of 1165 🔗

Shock horror BBC news interview a young woman on the street in Bolton about the “shocking” rise in “cases” who is NOT wearing a mask … And broadcast it!!!! ..
For balance they also interview a guy wearing a mask under his chin and then a woman fully masked

117408 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to mjr, 5, #917 of 1165 🔗

And the woman was a sceptic.

117418 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Tenchy, 9, #918 of 1165 🔗

yes – “stop changing the rules and let us get on with our lives”. The second masked woman a complete bedwetter

117595 ▶▶ Howie59, replying to mjr, #919 of 1165 🔗

Sky News also interview a well known beggar today. He has been trying (and failing) to play piccolo for what must be 10 years or more. The way I see it, there cannot have been many willing to speak to camera.

117409 Basics, 10, #920 of 1165 🔗


Edinburghlive still working hard to discredit the real concerns and genuine care shown yesterday at Holyrood. Don’t click the link and give them traffic.

‘Nurse’ unable to see the damage lockdown has done. It’s shame they were not bedside as people died alone in carehome. It’s a shame the ‘nurse’ and colleagues shut the doors of OUR hospital and did tiktok dances as people died at home alone.Shameful that the NHS had to counter the propaganda by advertising the NHS is open. I wonder if this same nurse is going to be bedside as the undiagnosed cancer deaths reveal themselves.

The mental suffering shall remain unmentioned by me as it is by this so called ‘nurse’.

“I know people will say this is unfair to those of us who have been working in hospitals during the crisis but these protests make me feel most sorry for those who have lost loved ones.

“Staff have seen what covid can do and it seems so thoughtless to put your family at risk or to question those experiences.

117419 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 4, #921 of 1165 🔗

Weakest Commons ever seen! Senior Conservative hits out at government arrangements


117428 ▶▶ mjr, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 7, #922 of 1165 🔗

David Davis is always worth the money. When Cameron was elected leader of the conservatives, Davis was runner up. So we got a Blairite rather than a conservative . And we know what a success Cameron was.

117446 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to mjr, 3, #923 of 1165 🔗

“David Davis is always worth the money

I’d have said the same a few months ago, but frankly he was completely awol on covid panic policy, and if he’s coming out with idiocy like this (“we should be testing every MP every day”) then he’s clearly just another waste of Parliamentary oxygen.

What kind of profound stupidity does it take to think that a supposed risk of what is basically a glorified flu justifies interfering in the basic business of government at the highest level in this way? What kind of dishonesty does it take to pretend it matters that much, if you are not actually stupid enough to believe it?

Frankly, I would say that it should be a requirement of being permitted to sit in the House that you should consider such trivial risks to your own life and health as unworthy of consideration. This is rank cowardice.

117493 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Mark, 1, #924 of 1165 🔗

I’d go further, test them every 10 minutes, indefinitely. We can get on better without.

117506 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tee Ell, 4, #925 of 1165 🔗

Test them for signs of intelligence.

117586 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, #926 of 1165 🔗

100% negative.

117606 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to mjr, #927 of 1165 🔗

Why does he say there is nothing important happening in September? What about the vote to extend the coronavirus legislation?

117429 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 5, #928 of 1165 🔗

POLICE STATE: Canadian journalist arrested on the street for breaking story on crooked mayor


117462 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #929 of 1165 🔗

Well that made my day…NOT! Can’t say I’m surprised though. I look at Australia in horror and can’t help but feel it could be us soon.

117517 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #930 of 1165 🔗

O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all of us command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

117585 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #931 of 1165 🔗

O Canada
Draining our liberties into the sand,
Thy spirit strangled by a ruthless hand.
With trembling heart we see arise
The curse of tyranny.
On every side
O Canada, they trample on the free,
God save us from thy horrid cruelty.
O Canada, we only long to flee
And to escape, o Canada, from thee.

117431 AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 1, #932 of 1165 🔗

NY Times : “Extreme Right Wing” Robert Kennedy Jr


117442 ▶▶ Andrew, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 3, #933 of 1165 🔗

They all love to throw the right wing in there.

117500 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Andrew, 1, #934 of 1165 🔗

That doesn’t bother all of us.

117507 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Andrew, 3, #935 of 1165 🔗

… and remember that in other circumstances that can be ‘left wing’.

That’s the way the fake democratic totalitarians work to exclude real political discourse.

Remember the treatment of Corbyn because he presented an alternative democratic view of things. The object of totalitarians is to exclude competition – because they are mediocre by definition.

117449 ▶▶ Julian, replying to AN other lockdown sceptic, 6, #936 of 1165 🔗

Ha ha. He’s a Democrat, or was. His Wikipedia entry is littered with the standard propaganda smears about endorsing conspiracy theories about vaccines and covid.

It’s quite noticeable now that the enemy are starting to worry the narrative might unravel that the characterisation of any dissent as conspiracy theories or right-wing populism is starting to be used very heavily, to make sure those people inclined to think like that stay onside. People who are heavily invested in that kind of politics would never agree with anything Trump or someone equally “right wing” says, so merely associating one idea with the other will sew up that section of society.

117454 ▶▶▶ Andrew, replying to Julian, 4, #937 of 1165 🔗

They will be branding Corbyn “far right” soon.

117515 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Andrew, 2, #938 of 1165 🔗

They already did, didn’t they? – Isn’t he an anti-semitic Nazi for criticising Israel in the past?

117536 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Mr Dee, #939 of 1165 🔗

Absolutely. That was the previous propaganda nonsense for gullible brainless fuckwits.

The technique does work.

117550 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to RickH, 3, #940 of 1165 🔗

he’s a supporter of Islam which says it all

117456 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Julian, 6, #941 of 1165 🔗

And Wikipedia won’t let certain people correct their own entries. They’re locked out and so any lies continue to be perpetuated and they have no way of defending against them or correcting the record. So much for freedom of speech…

117502 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, #942 of 1165 🔗

Trouble is that doesn’t always work. Plenty of left-wingers don’t have a problem with “right-wing” as such, only with “Tory” or “Conservative”. The Press won’t generally use that appellation except to people who actually are members of the Conservative and Unionist Party.

117467 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sarigan, 4, #944 of 1165 🔗

I started using them as an alternative to the BBC but soon realised they were more or less as bad

117544 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 3, #945 of 1165 🔗

Read Nick Davies : ‘Flat Earth News’ for a skilful analysis of the decay of the press – and of the equal culpability of the main press agencies.

117590 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 1, #946 of 1165 🔗

Amazing book. Read it years ago and it blew me away. The mainstream news industry completely gutted of any integrity.

117444 Mr Dee, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #947 of 1165 🔗

And thus it begins…


A class of 21 pupils has been told to self-isolate for two weeks after a member of staff at their school tested positive for Covid-19.

117457 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Mr Dee, 22, #948 of 1165 🔗

There is some culpability among all those at every level who go along with this, but at heart every single incident like this should be primarily blamed firmly on the PM and the rest of the cabinet, who opened Pandora’s Box without thinking how they could get out of it.

117459 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Julian, 11, #949 of 1165 🔗

And gave the Insurance companies the means to take complete control of the country. Idiocy doesn’t even get close…

117465 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Will, 10, #950 of 1165 🔗

It has to be criminal

117480 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 11, #951 of 1165 🔗

You’re right, Julian. And although we are at different ends of the political playing field, I can never forgive the secondary part played by the complicity of Starmer and the vast majority of Labour members in endorsing this coup.

117487 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 3, #952 of 1165 🔗

I used to be a keen Labour supporter, and some of the views I held then I still hold. I don’t see much evidence of what I thought of as core Labour beliefs in the modern Labour party.

Maybe Corbyn, J would have had more spine than the PM.

117499 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, 2, #953 of 1165 🔗

Corbyn, P certainly does.

117539 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Julian, 1, #954 of 1165 🔗

Well he might at least have provided some opposition!

117489 ▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to RickH, 5, #955 of 1165 🔗

Without the checks and balances of an “opposition” and a “free press” we have about as much Democracy as well er ..China.

117538 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, 1, #956 of 1165 🔗

Starmer has a lot to answer for!

117495 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Julian, 2, #957 of 1165 🔗

Perhaps we should stuff the PM and his cabinet into that particular box and nail the lid shut.

117629 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Julian, 2, #958 of 1165 🔗

In the dying days of the May regime it was widely thought that Britain was heading for a major political realignment, with the breakup of perhaps both of the major parties. Bojo’s election as Tory leader headed that off at the last minute.

Now the realignment that was avoided then looks very likely. The purpose of the Tory Party, if it has any positive purpose, is to resist the kind of emotionally incontinent wank that leads into murderously counterproductive policies such as lockdown. In embracing lockdown the Tories abdicated their purpose, and their party became definitely a waste of political oxygen.

Something has to give if people are to have any faith that democracy in Britain means anything more than did SPQR in the reign of Caligula.

117463 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mr Dee, 12, #959 of 1165 🔗

This is the chaos the PCR tests create. Everyone is assumed infectious, everyone is assumed at risk.

The amount of resources being wasted on such a an approach, is staggering

117482 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #960 of 1165 🔗

But that’s the way conmen operate – double down on your first con.

117464 ▶▶ tonys, replying to Mr Dee, 4, #961 of 1165 🔗

Inevitable, especially with the focus in schools on ‘safety’, they are already safe without the one way systems, corridor masking , hand sanitizer, forward facing, no changing PE kit etc etc.

117484 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Mr Dee, #962 of 1165 🔗

Quelle Surprise!

117498 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #963 of 1165 🔗

Just stop testing. Unless someone who is actually unwell with symptoms presents at hospital of course…

117535 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #964 of 1165 🔗

That teacher must have volunteered to be tested at “the new walk-in centre”. What a prat!

117567 ▶▶ Andrew, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #965 of 1165 🔗

Teachers will be milking this. Full pay as well. Lovely.

117458 Will, replying to Will, 23, #966 of 1165 🔗

Lovely late Sunday lunch with new friends, freshly settled into the UK having begged to be allowed to leave Australia. Genuinely shocked to hear what is actually happening in Australia. But absolutely horrified that thousands of our Aussie and Kiwi cousins are stuck in this country unable to earn money, exempt from furlough and unable to afford the £10,000 flight home let alone the £3,000 quarantine fee if they can afford to get home. Where is the mainstream media coverage of this appalling situation for the descendants of people who gave their lives for this country in numerous wars. Disgraceful doesn’t even get close to covering it.

117470 ▶▶ annie, replying to Will, 4, #967 of 1165 🔗

But do they want to go back to the Antipodean hell?

117485 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to annie, 6, #968 of 1165 🔗

They are delighted to be here and they are living in a house with no furniture, kitchen equipment etc because it is all held up by… covid. I cannot tell you their situation, or mine, but trust me Australia’s loss is this country’s massive gain. Their joy at being here in such straightened circumstances tells me everything I need to know about the state of affairs in Australia. I actually don’t think it would be beyond the pale to describe our new friends as Covid refugees and I think they will be far from the last from the antipodes.

117491 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Will, 12, #969 of 1165 🔗

Of course, your Australian friends are more than welcome here for my part. But if Australians are fleeing here, this must be the scariest post I’ve read on this site.

117492 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Nick Rose, 7, #970 of 1165 🔗

Victoria sounds like hell on earth.

117598 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Will, #971 of 1165 🔗

Yes, lockdown extended there till towards the end of October now..

117511 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #972 of 1165 🔗

My friends (a Welshman and his American wife) have fled here from the States recently. They related to me their epic escape the other day – part of which involved them being turned away at the border to Canada when they tried to reach Vancouver because there were no flights from the States to the UK.

Absolutely mental!

117542 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mr Dee, #973 of 1165 🔗

Margaret Attwood….

117476 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Will, 4, #974 of 1165 🔗

You’re right, of course.

But the sins of this time are so many and so egregious that the majority cross to the other side of the road – and pass on hoping to avoid the smell of the rotting corpse that is democracy and freedom.

117494 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 2, #975 of 1165 🔗

Or else they keep on feeding crocodiles in the hope they are eaten last.

117565 ▶▶ Andrew, replying to Will, #976 of 1165 🔗

Australia? you mean China right?

117468 Gillian, replying to Gillian, 2, #977 of 1165 🔗

Dr John Campbell was a chief panic-merchant in the early days but has changed his mind about hydoxychloroquine treatment. I do believe he is an honest man, if sadly misguided a lot of the time. Don’t necessarily watch the video but the comments show that many of his followers are at least suspicious, if not full sceptics.


117520 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Gillian, 2, #978 of 1165 🔗

He did spread a lot of disinformation, But he has the grace and the courage to admit he was wrong. Good for him.

This is an interesting comment: [HCQ] was sold over the counter in France, then suddenly withdrawn from the counter in France, in January 2020. Why.


117588 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #979 of 1165 🔗

The HCQ debate is big Pharma wars. A cheap drug is not going to be the big profit maker that new fangled vaccines can

117640 ▶▶ tonys, replying to Gillian, 1, #980 of 1165 🔗

He was a very useful source of basic information in the very early days of January and February, but he did not adapt his views as information emerged.

117486 p02099003, replying to p02099003, #981 of 1165 🔗

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54050342 , Matt Hancock plays the guilt card about grandparents becoming infected.

117490 ▶▶ Will, replying to p02099003, 12, #982 of 1165 🔗

To quote Mr Partridge, Handcock really is a “woman’s area”.

117508 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Will, #983 of 1165 🔗

Please add x6 thumbs up

117514 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Will, 2, #984 of 1165 🔗

No way. He’s a complete and utter arsehole!

117605 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Will, #985 of 1165 🔗

Isn’t a ‘woman’s area’ useful?

117497 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to p02099003, 2, #986 of 1165 🔗

He should go, he’s been compromised

117572 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #987 of 1165 🔗

Discard if contaminated.

117504 ▶▶ hotrod, replying to p02099003, #988 of 1165 🔗

For balance however doesn’t he have a valid point. While deaths and hospitalisations are down that is because the vulnerable have been shielded and it’s the young who are now getting tested and picked up as ‘cases’.

We just don’t need that to spread back to the vulnerable again.

Or am I missing the point?

117516 ▶▶▶ ajb97b, replying to hotrod, 2, #989 of 1165 🔗

The risk is negligible to none…

% prevalence in old has sat at the 1-2% level for months.
% prevalence in young was far lower.

Recently, all that has happened is the % prevalence in the young has risen to approach that in the old. So its not as though we have a tidal wave of infectious young running around.

And remember, these asymptomatic youngsters are barely infectious at all (unless they start snogging granny), and if they just stay away from granny for 1 week then they’ll have eliminated infectious virus from their bodies anyway.

I don’t think any significant fraction of youngsters out there see granny up close every week. So there will be no direct spread to granny.

One could argue the virus could pass through a chain of relatives to granny, but that requires multiple transfers which is again unlikely

So chill out Mat Hancock

117537 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to ajb97b, 4, #990 of 1165 🔗

What sort of idiot would go and see an elderly person if they had a cold, covid or no covid?

117573 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Will, #991 of 1165 🔗


117518 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to hotrod, 11, #992 of 1165 🔗

You’re definitely missing the point!
They’ve already bumped off the highly vulnerable in April.
Any that were left are now dying at home through withdrawal of the healthcare system. Covid doesn’t come into it. Just look at some stats.

117553 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #993 of 1165 🔗

A lot of the ‘highly vulnerable’ had actually lived a year beyond expectation because of the marked lack of infection the previous year. The mortality this year wasn’t exceptional, and even less so when this hard fact is taken into account.

117519 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to hotrod, 1, #994 of 1165 🔗

Yes, and more to the point, you already know that!

117524 ▶▶▶ Alan P, replying to hotrod, 1, #995 of 1165 🔗

I thought compulsory mask wearing was meant to reduce the spread? How naive was I…!

117533 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to hotrod, 1, #996 of 1165 🔗

Shielding stopped on the 31st July. We started shielding on the 24th of July when face nappies became compulsory thereby facilitating the spread of actual diseases that are harmful for vulnerable people unlike covid which is now a glorified cold.

117549 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to hotrod, #997 of 1165 🔗

You are, indeed.

It’s all bollocks.

Everyone knows it’s because the planets are in a health-protecting alignment.

117551 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to hotrod, 1, #998 of 1165 🔗

It seems to me that this weekend will prove to be a pivotal point, many people believe that today’s test results will come through as death & disease in a few weeks. I do not think this will happen but I guess only time will tell?

If I am correct then by bonfire night we can declare this is all over and burn all the face masks
on the bonfires

117574 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #999 of 1165 🔗

Who shall we have for our guy?

117597 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to annie, 1, #1000 of 1165 🔗

Hancock, Whitty, Boris?

117600 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, 2, #1001 of 1165 🔗

Bonfire of the vainglorious?

117559 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to hotrod, 7, #1002 of 1165 🔗

The risk is minimal as far as I can see from the data, but regardless of that, we do not face a societal threat from covid so the government has no business micromanaging everyone’s lives indefinitely and wrecking life, liberty, health and prosperity. The vulnerable, the people around them (family and workers) should be given a realistic assessment of the risks and allowed to make their own decisions. Some oversight of any facilities housing the vulnerable may be reasonable, though stopping them from seeing anyone may well do more harm than good. Arguably some testing of those working directly in those settings might be a good use of resources. But suspending normal life, forever, is immoral and almost certainly won’t help.

So no, he does not have a valid point.

117661 ▶▶ matt, replying to p02099003, 8, #1003 of 1165 🔗

Provisions should have been made to protect the vulnerable. Not only did that not happen, but deliberate policy was put in place that led to the deaths of the vulnerable.

More importantly, the vulnerable should have been able to choose whether they wanted to be protected. Do I want to risk a small increase to my immediate risk of death and spend the time left to me with my loved ones, or do I want to live a few months longer in solitude?

People in care homes are now “allowed” to see one member of their family through a window, at a distance, once every couple of weeks. For some of them, they remember that they were loved once and the people who loved them abandoned them and they don’t understand why and they don’t know who that person on the other side of the Perspex is anymore.

117503 Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #1004 of 1165 🔗

Jason Goodman
Crowd Source the Truth YT Channel

Subject: censorship

Continues his fascinating vidlog walkabouts showing the lockdown effects on Manhattan. In this latest one he starts by giving his loose recap of CrowdTangle. First 5 mins.


CrowdTangle was recently covered by Amazing Polly YT channel. Her video gives a description of the mechanisms of social media and msm online censorship also giving an idea of how the funding for ‘fact checkers’.

117526 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Basics, 1, #1005 of 1165 🔗

Thanks! I’ll check this out tomorrow. Much appreciated! (I like being introduced to new sources of info).

117677 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Basics, 1, #1006 of 1165 🔗

Shame the censors have started targeting Crowd Source the Truth (must be hitting an establishment nerve) – Jason Goodman did great work during the New York ‘pandemic’. The channel deserves higher viewing figures given the quality of much of the content.

117690 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Darryl, #1007 of 1165 🔗

Good luck to him and others like him. His walkabouts are a historical record – exceptional.
His guest’s are not always easy to follow without knowing a deal of context. It’s easy to accept that and discern what is useful. Frequently incredible connections come about in his gest conversations. He has had a sitting Senator on recently.

YTers are all searching for ways out of YT. Vernon Coleman to brandnewtube.com as an example.

117509 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 10, #1008 of 1165 🔗

“OUR MOVEMENT, WE CAN WIN” Says Piers Corbyn


117577 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #1009 of 1165 🔗

Wow well done piers, your brother was famed for sitting on the fence, I do not think anyone could level that charge at you. I am not happy about the hoax ref but good to see a free man rocking in the free world, all too few like you these days.

117510 ajb97b, replying to ajb97b, 7, #1010 of 1165 🔗

I’ve tracked down the actual % prevalence of the COVID virus in Bolton, per week for last 6 weeks

wk31 2.9%
wk32 2.4%
wk33 2.2%
wk34 2.7%
wk35 2.6%
wk36 4.9%

A sudden doubling like that is not believable

I’ll bet a pound to a penny this is due to PCR contamination (amplified product getting out into the lab and thereby into new sample reaction tubes) in one of the Bolton testing centers. As such, it will probably drop again in next week or so, as they recognise and solve that

117521 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to ajb97b, 3, #1011 of 1165 🔗

And the masks being mandated appear to be having zero effect too….!

117528 ▶▶ Basics, replying to ajb97b, 1, #1012 of 1165 🔗

Really great effort doing that. Looking forward to seeing next weeks instalment.

117558 ▶▶ RickH, replying to ajb97b, 2, #1013 of 1165 🔗

But it’s not “ % prevalence of the COVID virus “.

It’s % of those with possibly virus related RNA fragments.

The true positives are about 1/4 of the quoted figures.

117513 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #1014 of 1165 🔗

We can be certain sturgeon knows precisely what a great many folk think of her. Here is just one message publicly sent directly to sturgeon. Sturgeons twitter is full of like comments.
Replying to
Right so wtf is happening then? Im allowed to go to work way 100s of randoms. But im no allowed to share a bath way ma uncle margret. You better start making sense right now

117634 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Basics, 1, #1015 of 1165 🔗

Did they really say “ But im no allowed to share a bath way ma uncle margret”??!!.

117652 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to T. Prince, 1, #1016 of 1165 🔗

Truly. Verbatim tweet as always – it and many more reaching sturgeon hourly. For those who don’t know the character tweet is bang on saying what the author thinks.

Way = with
Perhaps you can deconstruct a piss take of snp gender wokism in uncle margret, perhaps its just about being up to here with the BS. It’s a great articulate tweet, when you get a handle on it.

Have a wander to sturgeons twitter and see the comments. Scots are not dafties!

117530 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 23, #1017 of 1165 🔗


“To most people, it seems only common sense that face masks offer some protection – to the user, to other people, or to both – against a virus that is spread by exhaled air particles.”
This from the quoted IEA article by Christopher Snowdon, an economist writing in Spectator and recommended reading in Toby’s update. It concerns the shortcomings of WHO and PHE and obviously both organisations did not recommend face masks early.This is now common from certain journalists pretending to be lockdown sceptic and in practice the mantra of mass testing, airport screening with testing and facemasks. After we implemented this everything will be fine.
They are completely ignorant about facemasks and have no idea of the complete lack of evidence of use in the general population. One cannot just copy a procedure from hospitals into the general population and think that they will work the same. We have several RCT trials in influenza showing it is useless in general population. Snowdon think it is common sense that face masks protect others.He has no idea that virus get trapped on the mask and touched constantly. He is also ignorant that facemasks have not eradicated flu in Asian countries especially well know severe flu outbreaks in Japan. Snowdon has no idea of the danger with facemasks in general population and we have now evidence of increase in countries mandating masks.These journalists /Blair/Hague/Hunt promoting mass testing are in the same total ignorance of the decline of usefulness of PCR test when cases have gone down.They have no idea of the limitation of the PCR tests.

117541 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1018 of 1165 🔗

A dilemma: is the recent ‘uptick’ in cases
1) an artifact of increased and inaccurate testing, or;
2) the result of mandatory masking?

Logically, probably the former, given that the virus had largely gone anyway. But the latter is credible, as face rags must – common sense tells all rational people – act as covid amplifiers.

117684 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ovis, 1, #1019 of 1165 🔗

I’m worried about mask-wearing leading to a load of new infections that they can then class as some new Covid mutation or something and use as justification for more lockdowns..

117546 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1020 of 1165 🔗

“Common Sense” is the last retreat of the truly stupid and ignorant.

117581 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to swedenborg, 9, #1021 of 1165 🔗

He is a victim of the Fallacy of Composition amongst other things. The virus does not just spread by droplets, and that is a weak transmission vector. Not washing your hands enough and transfering germs to things you touch is the most common way of getting bugs. But even then it’s up to your immune system.

The Fallacy of Composition is thinking a localised effect can be scaled to a system with coupled parts. It is just that, a fallacy.

So many people fall for it. The best one is seatbelts reduce road deaths. Seatbelts do lower deaths for people inside the car, but road deaths also include pedestrians and cyclists. Road deaths plateau when seat belts are introduced. So in society we have corrective mechanisms, one being risk compensation.

A virus will find a way to burn through the population. You let it burn applying enough standard knowledge. What we are seeing here is an exercise where politicians discover their stupidity (again) but at the sake of the economy, compassion and people’s lives.

117609 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to mhcp, 1, #1022 of 1165 🔗

The Isles Report suggested that seatbelt introduction lowered deaths of those in cars but increased deaths of pedestrians and cyclists as car drivers drove less carefully after seatbelts were introduced.

117653 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ewan Duffy, #1023 of 1165 🔗

John Adams was all over it in the 00s. Showing the Danish data as an example. They were right. It’s counter intuitive because it gives you more safety when driving yet your chances of being killed when not driving now go up.

117632 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1024 of 1165 🔗

Also masks don’t work in hospitals either. There is plenty of evidence to show that.

It may look like “common sense” but without the evidence to back it up, it’s just an assumption. In this case an incorrect one.

117554 DJ Dod, replying to DJ Dod, 6, #1025 of 1165 🔗

Once again the Dear Leader of the SNPeople’s Republic is at the cutting edge of policy in the U.K. She has realised that our desire to ‘Protect the NHS’ is so profound that ‘lockdown’ arrangements should be extended in perpetuity. No longer will GPs have to risk coming into contact with actual patients. Let’s face it, they might be sick!

Video consultations are to be the ‘new normal’. And no, I’m not making this up:


117594 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to DJ Dod, 6, #1026 of 1165 🔗

Let her keep running with the rope. It’ll stop nice and tight one day.

117630 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Nick Rose, #1027 of 1165 🔗

I admire your optimism, but……

117639 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to T. Prince, 1, #1028 of 1165 🔗

It’s worth keeping an eye on cult forums. There is a huge disquite building. Scotland at it’s heart is not woke. But then where is?

Simply pointing out Swinney removed childrens rights from Scots Law on 1 Sept 2020 signing over to the unelected control on the United Nations has quite a dumbfounding effect on cult members.

117679 ▶▶ Basics, replying to DJ Dod, #1029 of 1165 🔗

Reflecting on this. It’s possible people can vote with their feet by not complying. Will they enforce delay on those of us without the latest software, enough RAM, or IT skills to operate a device to log into their (£10Bn?) system?

Rural surgeries will soon slim down as a result.

117571 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #1030 of 1165 🔗


3.5m deaths globally by January if we don’t all wear masks everywhere

This is insane. How could anyone ever actually predict this when the masks thing is at best one big unique experiment itself.

The mind boggles

117576 ▶▶ Julian, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #1031 of 1165 🔗

Madness or evil. Take your pick.

117580 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 2, #1032 of 1165 🔗

Reading more into it, there are some strange responses in the FAQ.

“How did you determine the infection fatality ratio?

We use COVID-19 seroprevalence data by age and COVID-19 death data from 41 locations”

I can’t actually see what IFR they are using though.

They also dismiss deaths in Peru and Ecuador as improbably low for some reason.

They do say its based on four month projections using real time data from the John Hopkins (yeah those guys again) database. All roads lead to the same people.

It’s being used as a headline here in Ireland today to bring some fear back to the stage

117589 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1033 of 1165 🔗

Given we’ve not had this level of death in the last nine months, why would we have it in the next three?

117596 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1034 of 1165 🔗

It’s basically modelled on economies opening up again and reducing adherence to masks. In a matter of months, 20 years of pandemic preparation saying masks are pointless has now become a literal lifesaver for millions.

117618 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1035 of 1165 🔗

John Hopkins = Gates

117616 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #1036 of 1165 🔗

Looks like Fergusson on steroids

117704 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PastImperfect, #1037 of 1165 🔗

Indeed. Which is why I went straight to their IFR. But they don’t openly state it.

That just reeks of spin to me.

117584 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #1038 of 1165 🔗

NY Times : “Extreme Right Wing” Robert Kennedy Jr The New York Times has determined that people protesting fascist lockdowns are akin to Nazis.

Tony Heller

117601 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #1039 of 1165 🔗

Curious this is the global attack at the present time against dissent.

They tried the term ‘denier’ to smear. That was too complex a link to be effective for them in my opinion. So now it’s right wing nazi. They are truly struggling.

Each of us matter. They would not be putting such huge effort into their propaganda if we didn’t.

117587 swedenborg, 5, #1040 of 1165 🔗

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)31139-9?dgcid=raven_jbs_aip_email&nbsp ; ACTIVATE is a prospective randomised trial of BCG vaccination in the elderly
BCG decreased the time to first infection and the incidence of new infection
Strongest protection was found against viral respiratory tract infections
There has been reports of BCG mitigating C-19.This RCT shows a general decrease of viral infections in elderly after BCG vaccinations

117592 Two-Six, #1041 of 1165 🔗

Live now Mark Windows here:
With live chat.

117603 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 4, #1042 of 1165 🔗

Do you remember Brexiteers being labelled ‘conspiracy theory nut jobs’ and the like when it was suggested that our armed forces would come under EU command? Oh look, haven’t we officially left the EU?

EU armed forces would never work closely with civil authorities (ie the Police) to deal with such matters as civil unrest would they? Oh look….


117636 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to T. Prince, 1, #1043 of 1165 🔗

The Establishment have wanted this for years and they always get their way in the end. Absolutely bizarre the UK seem to want to destroy it’s military’s independence (we are reliant on foreign technology already). Maybe the UN really is going to take over much more control worldwide soon.

117641 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to T. Prince, #1044 of 1165 🔗

Are all the trade talks (and disputes re fishing etc) merely supposed to be distracting us from what’s really going on then?

117650 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Carrie, 1, #1045 of 1165 🔗


117671 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to T. Prince, #1046 of 1165 🔗


117793 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Carrie, #1047 of 1165 🔗

A doctor writing to the Guardian yesterday evidently thought so:
‘ The media are not reporting the complete picture (i.e.rising ‘cases’ but low hospital admissions and death rates). This is misleading. The UK government reports the same incomplete evidence. Why? I’d suggest that perpetuation of fear and allowing the current chaos to continue, without hope, might allow a no-deal Brexit to slip through with less coverage and challenge. Keeping away from potentially optimistic Covid-19 evidence might also let this administration put pressure on local government, supported by poorly defined and possibly exaggerated risk. This will ensure local authorities are blamed for mistakes, helping to keep this government in power.
Dr Ray Sinclair
Retired intensive care consultant, St Agnes, Cornwall
Printing this now, when they have surely had many such letters during recent months, coupled with the report by Larry Elliott today drawing attention to the Bank of England cost benefit paper, does give a tiny cause for optimism? Though so many people have said that so often, I can’t really think the tide is actually turning.
Live in hope …

117648 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to T. Prince, 1, #1048 of 1165 🔗

Veterans for Britain has lots of info about the defence issue, seems there has been little debate or even basic curiosity in many cases, from MPs. It also appears that the last few years, May was very keen to keep us under the thumb in terms of EU defence structures, approving things like the Euopean Defence Fund (after a meeting of the EU council) it appears she forgot to mention this in Parliament…

117604 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, #1049 of 1165 🔗

From the Department of Oddities but published in a scientific journal

“We now analyze all reliable genetic, epidemiological and geophysical and astrophysical data. This leads to the alternate hypothesis that COVID-19 arrived via a meteorite, a presumed relatively fragile and loose carbonaceous meteorite, that struck North East China on October 11, 2019”


117734 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, #1050 of 1165 🔗

Thought this guy might be involved when I saw the subject!


117607 PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #1051 of 1165 🔗

Yellow Vest Ireland 1 hr
BREAKING NEWS — Prof Dolores Cahill is currently being unlawfully detained by Dublin Airport security awaiting the arrival of Gardaí. Dolores was returning from a public speaking event in Edinburgh. See page for updates as it breaks.

Please share

117619 ▶▶ Basics, replying to PastImperfect, #1052 of 1165 🔗

In her speech in Edinburgh she remarked how well she had been treated going outward through the airport. Her speech deserves hearing.

You can skip to it through this video of the day.

117628 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #1053 of 1165 🔗

The international police state is starting to kick into action. It doesn’t look like they are going to accept anything but complete submission – they seem very keen to install all these Digital IDs and other control methods as fast as possible.

117644 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Darryl, #1054 of 1165 🔗

“The international police state is starting to kick into action” assisted by the EU Army remember, that was the one that we were never going to be a part of but we are now, now that we’ve ‘left’ the EU…


117657 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to T. Prince, #1055 of 1165 🔗

I wasn’t under any illusion we would leave other than in name only. The UK and EU have become incredibly interlinked over the past few decades. With the influence of US big tech on the country we’re not exactly free whatever happens. The UK also now seems beholden to the United Nations and its subsidiary organisations backed by global corporations and billionaires.

117667 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Carrie, #1057 of 1165 🔗

Cannot see face book can you please add a brief update of Cahills situation. Thanks.

117670 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, 8, #1058 of 1165 🔗

‘Irish Freedom Party chairwoman, Prof Dolores Cahill has left Dublin airport.
She was never illegally detained or arrested.
Prof. Dolores Cahill was talking to the Airport police this evening in relation to her constitutional rights which apparently have been upheld and she has left the airport for home.
She does not wear a mask or disclose her travel details for the Covid scare.’

117674 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Carrie, #1059 of 1165 🔗

Thanks and great news. You were faster than quick with that Carrie.

117676 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, 1, #1060 of 1165 🔗

Just happened to see your request at the right time 🙂

117841 ▶▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Carrie, #1061 of 1165 🔗

So it was just true- ish : she was leant on in a manner technically consistent with the law, and she pushed back.

117613 Barney McGrew, -6, #1062 of 1165 🔗

Do the general public actually deserve people like Piers Corbyn fighting their corner for them? Is it possible, in fact, that lockdown sceptics are making things easier for the government?

If there was no opposition to the government’s policies whatsoever from critical thinkers and people with actual brains or a sense of human rights, the bedwetters would eventually have to come to terms with this whole thing being permanent, and there would be no one to blame but the government.

At the moment, people like Piers Corbyn, derided as conspiracy theorists or whatever, are the focus of their derision (soon to be hatred), not the government. Perhaps the sceptics should just go quiet, wear their masks and let the government hang itself.

117622 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 2, #1063 of 1165 🔗

Censorship is bad for the evolution of the human mind and spirit. Boris is an idiot if he legislates new restrictions on protests.

117626 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to richard riewer, 3, #1064 of 1165 🔗

Why do I have the feeling that Corbyn’s arrest(s), at this time means that things are going to get a lot worse?

117643 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to T. Prince, 2, #1065 of 1165 🔗

Yes, they are really clamping down hard on non establishment / internationally approved protests. Why do they always seem to require a dozen policemen to arrest a peaceful 73 year old? intimidation tactics.

You would have thought it was a Millwall v West Ham game the police presence on Downing Street on Saturday. The police were dying to give the peaceful protestors a beating given the opportunity. Luckily people don’t fall for their tactics.

117647 ▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Darryl, 3, #1066 of 1165 🔗

Did you see the pregnant woman being arrested by half a dozen knuckle dragging thugs in Australia for try to organise a peaceful protest against lockdowns on Facebook? Can’t believe it’s happening in western democracies in 2020

117698 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to T. Prince, 4, #1067 of 1165 🔗

There aren’t really any Western democracies anymore. Parliament seem to have outsourced all decision making to the WHO (basically big Phama, Bill Gates and the UN). Bill Gates recently sinisterly said that perhaps people have too much freedom – there has coincidently been a big online / offline clamp down on anyone questioning the MSM narrative. Who is really in charge of the world?

117706 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Darryl, #1068 of 1165 🔗

When did he say that about too much freedom?

117722 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Carrie, #1069 of 1165 🔗

I am sure I saw the actual interview. But this article covers the interview – Marketwatch is mainstream media. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bill-gates-the-worst-of-the-pandemic-is-yet-to-come-and-freedom-played-a-part-in-the-disappointing-us-response-2020-08-20

117681 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Darryl, 1, #1070 of 1165 🔗

In the case of Corbyn’s latest arrest, this time he was not actually the organiser of the protest – yet he was still held for the best part of 24 hours.. he should not have been arrested at all, given the facts. Are they trying to bankrupt him by fining him twice?

117688 ▶▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Carrie, 1, #1071 of 1165 🔗

Probably, but I think it’s more sinister than that. I think that they just want to crush any dissent* until…well, I really don’t know what the end game is, unless I start to sound like a conspiracy theorist of course…

  • and we see how easy that is by looking at Australia at the moment, YES, Australia!!!
117705 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to T. Prince, #1072 of 1165 🔗

Yes, but why arrest the same person twice?

117700 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Carrie, #1073 of 1165 🔗

Pure intimidation and bullying tactics – yet defended universally on the left and right politically.

117695 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to richard riewer, #1074 of 1165 🔗

Delores Cahill arrested on returning to Ireland from Edinburgh too. She refused to provide details for track and trace.

117703 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #1075 of 1165 🔗

Not arrested – see my post..

117753 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Carrie, #1076 of 1165 🔗

Seen that. Thanks for the update carrie

117633 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #1077 of 1165 🔗


I’m Back! (September 6th 2020)
Dr Vernon Coleman
06 Sep 2020

117642 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1078 of 1165 🔗

I tell you – the bastards are going to be locking us up again very soon: …..


117645 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1079 of 1165 🔗

The Guardian and BBC seem desperate for another lockdown. I have a bad feeling that Labour and the other parties will want something along the lines of the Melbourne police state lockdown – because they want to keep us ‘safe’. It could be complete tyranny unless the public wake up.

117682 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Darryl, 2, #1080 of 1165 🔗

“Labour and the other parties”. There are no ‘other parties’. There is no opposition to this madness. We’re on our own.

117707 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to T. Prince, 2, #1081 of 1165 🔗

I know. It is collective political madness. God know were they will lead us this winter. Food shortages in poor countries could soon spread to rich countries, and it isn’t the disease causing the problem – it is criminal government policies.

117646 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1082 of 1165 🔗

Why the heck are people getting tested voluntarily? Hospitalisations do not seem to be rising; these people are clearly not seriously ill.. Have they not twigged that positive tests just lead to more lockdowns?

117649 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Carrie, #1083 of 1165 🔗

Ditto, you beat me to it.

117656 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Carrie, 2, #1084 of 1165 🔗

Exactly. I heard the local BBC earlier this evening (Middlesbrough) stating that ‘Boro was a “place of concern”. There has been an increase in positive tests locally in recent days, so what has been done about it? You guessed. A mobile testing centre has been quickly set up in the town with a view to rapidly increasing the local testing capability. I wonder if that will result in more positive tests being found in the town?

117680 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1085 of 1165 🔗

The number of false positives outweigh the number of false negatives. That’s how the test is set. So do the maths… If you test 1000 people with no virus you are going to have net positive results. So this will never end. Especially if as in Victoria you pin ending lockdown to a particular case rate.

117658 ▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to Carrie, 2, #1086 of 1165 🔗

But according to the Guardian-rag hospital admissions lag “cases” by two weeks – a bare faced lie. If I had to guess I’d assume that upon psycho hair-brains like Handjob recently learning that excessive PCT cycles cause false positives, they have instructed the NHS and other criminal accessories to dial up the cycles to maximum.

Personally I think the genie is out of the bottle and their continued criminal hole digging is about to catch up with them.

117724 ▶▶▶▶ TheBluePill, replying to TheBluePill, #1087 of 1165 🔗

These morons are desperate and that is the best time to catch them red-handed. I would suggest that real journalists like Toby submit urgent FOI requests to testing labs to find out how PCT testing cycles have been changed, when, and who instructed it. I find it deeply suspicious that the MSM recently explained PCT sensitivity in terms that fuckwits like Handjob might understand and hey presto a few days later we get a spike.

117726 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to TheBluePill, #1088 of 1165 🔗

Great idea to do that FOI! Maybe Simon Dolan could do it if Toby does not have the time..

117752 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TheBluePill, 1, #1089 of 1165 🔗

Instructed my local politician to do exactly that earlier this week. Just ask the Department of Health (Northern Ireland) for:

1. The number of false positives they believe are being returned. If they are considering it at all.

2. For the tests what is the average number of cycles being performed before a positive test is returned. Again, if this is being tracked at all.

Simple and should, you’d think, be easy to understand and get an answer on.

Of course, the answer is already known but it is about showing him a way in. Not scaring him with any claims of a plandemic etc

117691 ▶▶▶ RyanM, replying to Carrie, 2, #1090 of 1165 🔗

Madness. Paranoia. A brainwashed population. All of the above.

117694 ▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to Carrie, 4, #1091 of 1165 🔗

Yesterday I read a message on my local neighborhood chat:
My 5 year old has a slight temperature and a runny nose. Where can I get him tested for Covid?
This is the type of people who get tested. They are so stupid.
That child was probably at home for months, went to school and got a cold. No need for Covid test.

117711 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to JulieR, #1092 of 1165 🔗

This seems to be the plan for schools; different tiers of lockdown… https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/back-to-school-coronavirus-rules/

117708 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Carrie, #1093 of 1165 🔗

Is there a bias in those getting tested? Young mobile types perhaps. Not thought about this but self reporting would seem to be a bias.

117717 ▶▶▶ Newmill Mark, replying to Carrie, #1094 of 1165 🔗

Quite obviously not, unless they get some info from non-MSM how would they ever know?

117740 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1095 of 1165 🔗

There’s something very suspicious about that article. A woman with nausea and diarrhoea said she was asked to travel 57 miles for a test. Another person ‘a Leicester constituent’ (ha ha) a 100 mile round trip for a test. Who would be insane enough to do that? If you’re ill, go to hospital, I bet they’ll test you then. This is more bulshit and the Guardian angling for more lockdown. (Oh wait Bill Gates funds them.) Interesting that there was no result published for Jackie with the nausea and temperature ffs.

117744 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Bella, #1096 of 1165 🔗

And by the way, if you do a search on the internet about ‘soaring’ rates in France and ignore the MSM you will see that there are no increases in hospitalisations and/or deaths. Now the party line is that it is young people ‘and it can still be dangerous because they will pass it on.’ Pass me the sick bag….and then a gun.

117779 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Bella, #1097 of 1165 🔗

A bit of lavatorial humour seems appropriate for the idea of travelling 57 miles while suffering from diarrhoea.

117651 richard riewer, 2, #1098 of 1165 🔗

Despicable. Haughty, callous indifference. No excuses for such behaviour. The Health Minister has an unhealthy mind.

117654 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 9, #1099 of 1165 🔗

Every day I read the update on this page hoping for some good news, and every day I leave more depressed than before. I feel like I’m living in a Kafka novel.

117665 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to mattghg, 1, #1100 of 1165 🔗

I know. Every day for weeks now I’ve been thinking that things can’t get any worse, but they do and will…..

117673 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to mattghg, #1101 of 1165 🔗

Same here.. 🙁

117697 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mattghg, #1102 of 1165 🔗


117663 KeithM, replying to KeithM, 6, #1103 of 1165 🔗

A quote from Mark Twain ( or possibly not)

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

Whoever said it was right on the money

117710 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to KeithM, 2, #1104 of 1165 🔗

I don’t believe you.

117664 Andrew, replying to Andrew, 2, #1105 of 1165 🔗

Emergent BioSolutions are behind CoVid-19 Crime of the Century ( Citizens arrest anyone??)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5YJhwJCS2o&feature=youtu.be

117702 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Andrew, #1106 of 1165 🔗

Thanks. Same link easier to click: https://youtu.be/l5YJhwJCS2o

117666 Andrew, replying to Andrew, 4, #1107 of 1165 🔗
117692 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Andrew, #1108 of 1165 🔗

They actually mention the group they believe are behind it.

117668 Lockdown Truth, replying to Lockdown Truth, 14, #1109 of 1165 🔗

Dan Andrews announced the tragic loss of life in Victoria due to Covid-19 yesterday from the day before. 5 people died tragically. One in their 80’s, three in their 90’s and one in their 100’s. Taking the mid point in each decade that gives an average age of 95 for those who died… whereas life expectancy in Australia is 82.5.

And they are extending lockdown to the end of October at the earliest…

117712 ▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Lockdown Truth, 6, #1110 of 1165 🔗

But Melbourne Police doesn’t seem to have that much respect for the living elderly,watch their treatmemt of two elderly on parkbench not SD


117723 ▶▶ matt, replying to Lockdown Truth, 2, #1111 of 1165 🔗

In a strong field, the stupidest quote from the UK (read: England) press briefings was “of course, every death in a care home is a tragedy.” (Hancock, of course)

I’m not for a minute diminishing the importance of the lives of individuals in care homes, but – for goodness sake – what does our Health Secretary thinks happens in care homes under normal circumstances?

117669 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 7, #1112 of 1165 🔗

I feel obliged to condemn the Far Left totalitarian XR movement for its attempt to close down our press. But on the other hand the UK press have generally behaved so appallingly in terms of suppressing the truth about Covid, Lockdown effects and the Mask Madness they don’t really deserve much sympathy.

117672 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to OKUK, 2, #1113 of 1165 🔗

It’s part of the game. Like they keep saying “Tell the truth”. It’s all a well choreographed scam by both sides.

117714 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to OKUK, #1114 of 1165 🔗

The establishment will use it as an excuse to clamp down hard on all protests with new rules and regulations – just wait and see. I suspect the hysterical media response was designed to give the government the green light. I have been watching some of the Extinction Rebellion protests on the ground this week – the police definitely go easy on them, so they have an element of approval from above.

117794 ▶▶ BobT, replying to OKUK, #1115 of 1165 🔗

You condemn the XR movement (forget the feft/right for now). If the tyranny being imposed on the population just now extends through many years and the Govt erect statues of Matt Hancock and Boris Johnson to honour them for their service in the time of Covid, would you condemn any protest in the future which tore down these statues along with carrying out civil disobedience to change the history or in the case of XR, the future?

117675 hotrod, replying to hotrod, 5, #1116 of 1165 🔗

Hancock in deep trouble.

Could he swing ‘our’ way?

Large increase in cases, almost all in the young

So he could say “this is building herd immunity” and it’s under control.


He could say “we are watching the hospitalisations and death rates, if they don’t rise then more cases aren’t a concern”.

I wonder if his route out is to admit the truth and hope Joe Public are too thick to realise they have been had.

117678 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to hotrod, 1, #1117 of 1165 🔗

I don’t think he thinks he’s in trouble though…

117683 ▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to Carrie, #1118 of 1165 🔗

He cares more about himself and protecting his reputation so he could wing it now and say what Carl has been saying for months.

As long as he “survives” he will do whatever it takes.

Just read the comments section in The Telegraph now, these are from the core Tory voters.

117699 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to hotrod, #1119 of 1165 🔗

You wonder if anyone in government is actually reading the comments on the DT or whether they still think they are managing to pull the wool over our eyes?

117701 ▶▶ Klein, replying to hotrod, #1120 of 1165 🔗

Whats the latest on Hancock ?

117709 ▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to Klein, #1121 of 1165 🔗

Urgent House question tomorrow about large increase in cases when he has claimed all was under control.

117716 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to hotrod, 2, #1122 of 1165 🔗

Stupid question because the answer is obvious… they are testing more! Who is asking that question?

And is the question being asked with the specific and deliberate intention of creating a subtle nudge towards getting the House to vote for an extension of the coronavirus act?

How many MPs are actually bothering to properly monitor and analyse the statistics for hospitalisations and deaths, like we are?

117725 ▶▶▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to Carrie, #1123 of 1165 🔗

They are not testing more in last week. “Cases” have increased on same testing levels.

They are testing different type of people maybe and those have tested positive for whatever reason.

117747 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to hotrod, 3, #1124 of 1165 🔗

You can adjust the sensitivity of tests to create more false positives. Positive test results are not a metric to make decision by. It’s a way to manipulate a narrative.

117715 ▶▶ matt, replying to hotrod, 2, #1125 of 1165 🔗

Or he could just lock us down again. Because he’s just that kind of guy.

117721 ▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to matt, #1126 of 1165 🔗

Been proven in worse places for infection full lockdown and local lockdown have made no difference.

Locking down again would have no benefit for 90% of the country.

117745 ▶▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to hotrod, #1127 of 1165 🔗


117746 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to hotrod, #1128 of 1165 🔗

Sorry? Since when was ‘proven’ relevant?

117749 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to hotrod, #1129 of 1165 🔗

No chance. He will be locking us down and cancelling Christmas just like he did without Eid. And he’ll enjoy every second of it.

117760 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to hotrod, 1, #1130 of 1165 🔗

If he’s pointing at any kind of business closures, then I think this could be the straw that breaks the camels back.

117775 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to PoshPanic, #1131 of 1165 🔗

I certainly hope so. Most businesses have been cowardly and compliant so far, but there’s a lot of stuff even in the hated MSM about “things opening up again”, “people are getting fed up with Zoom calls”, “when crowds are allowed back to football matches”, etc etc. So a narrative is building that we’re getting back to some sort of normality, though the MSM are also excessively fond of speculating about the “new normal”, and are pinning a lot of hope on the miraculous appearance of a vaccine. If another lockdown was proposed, I hope there would be a bit more resistance.

117718 hotrod, replying to hotrod, #1132 of 1165 🔗

Hospitalisation rates. Who do you believe? Plenty of Doctors on Twitter claiming to be full.

Ron Daniels saying otherwise.

Are there some recent stats?

117767 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to hotrod, #1133 of 1165 🔗

Official figures released daily can be followed from links on John Hopkins site. Patients in hospital have fallen sharply in England and especially Wales in last month, steady in Scotland over that period. May be levelling out at about 700 nationwide now. Some very long term patients. Definitions can be problematic. Do you stay a Covid case once diagnosed or only while it’s present?

117773 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Yawnyaman, #1134 of 1165 🔗

Scottish numbers were around a constant 250. It has been recognised this was a counting error. There is or will be a revision of that number.

117719 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1135 of 1165 🔗

In the BMJ article  “ Covid-19: the problems with case counting” https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3374.full
The most striking is this picture https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3374.full
 Comparing pillar 1(hospital testing ) versus Pillar 2.
Any insane mass testing a la Blair/Hunt/Hague will only increase in the Pillar 2 without any significant clinical relevance

117743 ▶▶ matt, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1136 of 1165 🔗

I think it’s important to see it in the BMJ. Maybe another brick gone.

117720 OKUK, replying to OKUK, #1137 of 1165 🔗

There won’t be a return to a national lockdown in my view however high the case numbers climb. It’s politically unacceptable.

117729 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to OKUK, 1, #1138 of 1165 🔗

Also financially unaffordable

117789 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1139 of 1165 🔗

Indeed! Money counts in large amounts…and it doesn’t come much larger than the cost of a lockdown.

I am fearful that by way of compensation, because it’s not nearly as costly, politicians might opt to tighten mask wearing rules…so they can claim they have an anti-virus strategy.

117735 ▶▶ Ricky R, replying to OKUK, 1, #1140 of 1165 🔗

I hope you’re right, seeing all the bedwetting today over the rise in cases has me feeling low.

Lets hope the government can hold their nerve and keep on track to get people back to work and in education.

Some days we get excellent news and then others are terrible and demoralising. Another lockdown would shatter the mental health of millions.

117757 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Ricky R, 1, #1141 of 1165 🔗

I’m sorry? The government hold it’s NERVE??

117790 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Ricky R, #1142 of 1165 🔗

Back on March Johnson and co got spooked by events and shat their pants. They thought Lockdown was the only safe route. Now they can see there are no safe routes. A return to Lockdown could lead to total economic collapse and societal breakdown. It probably now appears to them as the worst of all

117738 ▶▶ tonys, replying to OKUK, #1143 of 1165 🔗

Always assuming there is a semblance of sanity left in Hancock and Co yes.

117739 ▶▶ matt, replying to OKUK, #1144 of 1165 🔗

I’m less optimistic than I was this morning.

117728 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1145 of 1165 🔗

Bangladesh, another third world country stopping the lockdown and any form of social distancing, which is impossible to have for any length of time. And cases peaked and starting to fall nicely.



Bangladesh in secret trying to achieve herd immunity quickly.

Adjusted Dynamics of COVID-19 Pandemic due to Herd Immunity in Bangladesh

 “Based on our estimated population for the herd immunity, we compute the basic reproduction number to be R0 = 2.5 ± 0.24. Therefore, to break the COVID19 transmission chain and stop the disease from spreading, Bangladesh requires around 60% of its population to be infected to attain the herd immunity according to the existing method [41]. But our adjustment shows that if approximately 90% of the working age group 21-40 get affected by COVID-19 in case of herd immunity then we can expect a total 31% people will be affected in the whole country (presented in Table 2).”

117736 ▶▶ Basics, replying to swedenborg, #1146 of 1165 🔗

…as UK puts £millions of aid PPE (masks) into Nigeria and Jordan to control thought overseas.

Thank you Swedenborg.

117737 ▶▶ matt, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1147 of 1165 🔗

Good on them for ‘sacrificing’ the invulnerable lambs. It’s almost like they can think for themselves and know what they’re doing.

117756 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to matt, 1, #1148 of 1165 🔗

A lot of these poorer countries have had no alternative but to do so. In the long run this is how empires fall and new ones rise..

117777 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1149 of 1165 🔗

Bangladesh has a young but extremely poor population. It was criminal to lock them up (often) in extremely cramped slums.

117748 richard riewer, 2, #1150 of 1165 🔗

Forget disliking conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones for the moment. At minute 6:55 of this video a Black Lives Matter gang in the hundreds attacked a restaurant in Rochester, New York, full of customers, broke chairs, tables and threw plates and glasses in the air, first outside, then inside this suburban restaurant. The clip lasts for around 3 minutes. No police intervention. Unbelievable.


117750 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #1151 of 1165 🔗

Met Chief C. Dick gets door stepped and called out for her ‘hate-speech’ over encouragement of social shaming as a method of policing the population.


Really worth sharing in my view.

117754 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Basics, #1152 of 1165 🔗

Also in the video.. notice Scotland Yard don’t use masks. Only when watching peaceful protests do they wear glives and masks. Political Policing.

117774 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Basics, 1, #1153 of 1165 🔗

She had just come out of Downing Street. Wouldn’t be surprised if they were discussing clamping down on lockdown dissent given the police actions this weekend. Maybe he was telling her to go easy on Extinction Rebellion as his wife supports the cause.

117771 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Basics, 2, #1154 of 1165 🔗

That is Geza Tarjanyi calling out Cressida Dick. He has been campaigning for the end of lockdown measure outside Downing Street for over a month 24/7. The man has been doing great work he has spoken to Sir Patrick Vallance (didn’t seem particularly pleased to be questioned by a commoner) and Michael Gove (seemed ok) as well. He is well worth following and supporting. Respect to anyone that dedicated to freedom.

117782 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Basics, 1, #1155 of 1165 🔗

I normally avoid Twitter like the plague (!), even things people post here, but I recommend that everyone should watch this one. The guy is a hero.

117758 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1156 of 1165 🔗

I have been spending most of my afternoons since April in the side doorway that never opens of an optometrist just off a street corner. It’s just wide enough to sit on a cushion, cue up my smartphone, put on headphones and listen to music and write notes while I sip an espresso laced with O’Casey’s Irish Cream. Today a city bus (STM) passed by and the message said in French ‘derrière votre couvre-visage sourire’: Smile behind your mask.

117788 ▶▶ Eddie, replying to richard riewer, #1157 of 1165 🔗

Oh my…
I noticed yesterday a transit bus with all external advertising replaced with MASKS ARE MANDATORY…there should have been an exclamation point on the end. As we know the larger the sign the more compliant we are

117762 richard riewer, 1, #1158 of 1165 🔗

Say no to everything.

117778 richard riewer, 1, #1159 of 1165 🔗

Brazen. Shameless. Unforgivable.

117783 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #1160 of 1165 🔗

British police going wrong. Assault Battery and False Arrest for a Facemask. A fine, decent man showing what keeping your head when all about you have lost theirs looks like.


I suggest the Nudge Unit is wanting social media filling with these chilling videos to cause individual fear of arrest to increase. It feels too perfect a tool for the psychologists not to have calculated.

Really well done that man.

117836 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Basics, 2, #1161 of 1165 🔗

I’m speechless, what a disgusting country we have become, those people should be ashamed. The Australian and NZ model is really working and getting closer to reality.

Problem is majority of people will think this is ok and say it’s only a mask. Bullshit.

117786 Basics, 1, #1162 of 1165 🔗

DT not behind paywal –


“SNP has not proved all its emergency Covid powers are still justified, children’s commissioner says
Bruce Adamson said the SNP “proposes almost wholesale renewal of emergency provisions which significantly impact on children’s rights”.”
“In a submission to a Holyrood inquiry, he argued that SNP ministers’ powers should be reexamined following “the welcome progress” made towards “restoring public services to a more ‘normal’ state.”

“He noted that over the last six months more than more than 60 Scottish Statutory Instruments(SSIs) have been made by the SNP Government using the powers contained in the UK and Scottish Coronavirus Acts, curtailing a wide range of children’s human rights.

“However, Mr Adamson said the Scottish Government had failed to provide parliament with updated assessments on the impact of these on young people, which he said are needed to inform MSPs’ decision on whether the powers should be renewed.”

117800 John F. McGowan, Ph.D., #1163 of 1165 🔗

The US CDC uses two grossly contradictory numbers of annual deaths from pneumonia and influenza: about 55,000 in the annual leading causes of the death report and about 188,000 in National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) data used on the FluView web site to report the percentage of deaths each week due to pneumonia and influenza. These differ by a factor of OVER THREE. The larger FluView number is comparable to the current cumulative total COVID-19 deaths in the United States (Aug 30, 2020).

Since it is generally agreed that lockdowns and quarantines are not justified for a disease similar to typical annual pneumonia and influenza deaths, the reasons for this gross contradiction in the two annual death numbers should be resolved. Is it correct to compare the COVID-19 death numbers to the FluView number, the leading causes of death number, or some other number and, if so, exactly why and how?

Full details here: The CDC’s Contradictory Death Numbers https://tinyurl.com/y4empg8n

117838 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #1164 of 1165 🔗

Yesterday’s announcement about a rise in +ve test results (so called cases) indicates again the critical role testing now has in driving this pantomime. I queried a twitter post yesterday and was told in reply that the PCR test done well can distinguish between SARS-Cov2 and other coronaviruses. But that does beg the question as to whether these tests are being done well?
In many areas of modern life we have bodies to oversee the quality and standard of services delivered. Do we know if there is any such control or oversight of this mass SARS-Cov2 screening programme? It is an unprecedented programme, set up very quickly and using private companies to deliver test results on which huge decisions are made about life in our country. If there is no control or oversight then this is something we should be pressing to be put in place.

117879 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1165 of 1165 🔗

A very good post. I half heard some health adviser for Scotland (American sounding) speaking on the Today programme this morn just afore seven. She said – and I para-phrase.

a) the rise in cases was a bit to do with more testing.

b) We weren’t seeing this reflected in mortality figures because the rise in cases was amongst the young. But it would feed through (in a couple of weeks I think she said) – just look at France.

Well, I looked at France. “Cases” began taking off around mid-July. They are now higher than they have ever been. But the seven day average mortality figure is now just a tad lower than it was in mid-July.


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