2020-09-09

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120916 BobT, replying to BobT, 59, #1 of 2397 🔗

On the PCR test false positives which King Carl flagged up and looking at the documents linked by, the great swedenbourg? earlier. Houston has a problem.

Reading the document from SAGE beside the new PHE recommendations it is clear to the reader (or at least it is to me) that they are admitting in an academic speak, arse covering kind of way that positive, infectious test results are presently overstated by several orders of magnitude.

I also notice that neither document refers to positively tested people as ‘cases’.

Hancock has been taking away the freedoms and livelihoods of millions of citizens on the basis of flawed testing procedures and the erroneous definition of a ‘case’, both of which he has known about for some time. I notice that the SAGE document is dated 31 August and I am sure that it took some time before that to produce it.

Even today he is screwing peoples lives up on the basis of positive tests knowing full well from at least 9 days ago that SAGE and PHE determined that the present testing procedures are seriously in error and it needs at least two tests to confirm a positive ‘case’.

The key question in the eventual trial will be ‘what did he know, and when did he know it?’

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/914931/s0712-tfms-consensus-statement-sage.pdf

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/sars-cov-2-rna-testing-assurance-of-positive-results-during-periods-of-low-prevalence/assurance-of-sars-cov-2-rna-positive-results-during-periods-of-low-prevalence

120917 ▶▶ Sally, replying to BobT, 12, #2 of 2397 🔗

I seriously doubt whether Boris has the mental capacity to grasp these matters.

Perhaps mine is lacking too. For Pillar 1 labs (but not Pillar 2) they recommend retesting the existing sample. Can someone explain to me how this is not likely to result in the same finding?

120918 ▶▶▶ BobT, replying to Sally, 10, #3 of 2397 🔗

I agree, I have just re-read the section again and I do not see the logic either. Neither document has addressed what the actual threshold for infectivity is nor have they quantified how many have tested positive who are likely infectious or non infectious. They surely must have data to be able to work this out.

120926 ▶▶▶ BobT, replying to Sally, 13, #4 of 2397 🔗

Someone said, maybe Einstein, that “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”
This might also apply to comment posts.

121885 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to BobT, 3, #5 of 2397 🔗

The same might be said these days for the reproducion of the human species.

122712 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to BobT, #6 of 2397 🔗

Never understood that aphorism (nothing to do with Einstein). If I field the same football team every Saturday using the same tactics I don’t expect to get the same result every time.

122822 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to OKUK, #7 of 2397 🔗

But do you play against the same team every week too?

120929 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sally, 24, #8 of 2397 🔗

Toby Young – Lockdownsceptics website: ” This is in response to the rise in cases in the community – 2,460 new cases on Tuesday – which, as I explained in the Telegraph on Monday, is an artefact of increased testing. In the past week alone there have been over 1.3m coronavirus tests, compared to just 95,188 in the first week of April.”

Of course if any of these people die of anything withing the next 28 days they will be counted as dying “with Covid” whatever the cause of death.

122867 ▶▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #9 of 2397 🔗

They’re not ”cases”. ”Cases” are a result of testing someone with symptoms, after a clinical diagnosis, surely. But, then, I’m not a medic. It just sounds dodgy to me.

120938 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Sally, 24, #10 of 2397 🔗

The recording from a NZ doctor a few days ago was good on testing, her argument is that the PCR test is a diagnostic test to be used in conjunction with clinical assessment. For all the sort of reasons we are seeing here it is not suitable as a mass screening test to be used on its own to determine public health policy.

The Politicians wanted an easy yes/no black/white test and started using it without any proper evaluation as to whether the test could be used in this way. In the end this is potentially medically damaging as it will undermine the credibility of PCR testing, which when used properly is very helpful.

120989 ▶▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #11 of 2397 🔗

Do you mean this one – PCR Test Update

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcONxyAJ8S4
Dr. Sam Bailey
87.8K subscribers
SUBSCRIBE
Dr Sam talks about what is happening in NZ in regards to COVID-19 and important information you should know about the COVID-19 PCR Test.

122374 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #12 of 2397 🔗

her argument is that the PCR test is a diagnostic test to be used in conjunction with clinical assessment.”

… but even that amelioration is wrong. The deviser of the test was quite explicit that this is not a diagnostic test.

The clinical assessment is an essential prior necessary condition. A PCR test may have some validity as further information. But it isn’t a diagnostic tool, except in, perhaps, distinguishing between different viral agents.

122884 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to RickH, #13 of 2397 🔗

A differential diagnosis is based on symptoms (subjective patient history) and signs ( objective clinician observations). If you’re lucky this could be a single illness, but may need further tests to identify the real problem. These could be ECG, EEG, blood tests, X-rays etc. For CoViD19, which is not very symptom specific another test is needed, the RT-PCR would suffice. The inventor said that it was a qualitative test not a quantitative test and shouldn’t be used as a diagnostic test in isolation, not that it couldn’t be used as a confirmatory test.

120980 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Sally, 12, #14 of 2397 🔗

And if the retested sample is positive as well that’s two positive tests two infections
Double plus good!

121137 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Sally, 20, #15 of 2397 🔗

I am confident we will discover that the “problem” is any “positives” they retest that come back positive again count as two tests, hence the ridiculous 50% rise in one day. The Johnson has now condemned himself to being the shortest serving and worst PM this country has ever seen. He will be gone before the anniversary of his landslide election win, and not before time.

121226 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Will, 4, #16 of 2397 🔗

With Nappy-Head BOJO gone, who will we get? Priti Patel for the next 3 years. That is gonna be good.

122404 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Two-Six, 8, #17 of 2397 🔗

I can’t speak for Tory supporters – but – looking fairly dispassionately at what is on offer, I can’t see much sign of viable life inside this raddled skeleton of a party.

But, should you think this is just political prejudice, I am no more hopeful in terms of the main opposition, let alone the invisible LibDems.

I mentioned earlier that I had been looking at Aneurin Bevan’s Trafalgar Square speech at the time of Suez – an event that split the nation.

The comparison is a sad reflection of the deterioration of democratic political life. Compare the wheedling self-interest of Starmer backing the Tory measures! – avoiding any embrace of principle in case of slippage on the greasy pole.

‘Contempt’? Too weak a word.

139976 ▶▶▶▶▶ Adam Hiley, replying to Two-Six, #18 of 2397 🔗

Patel is as weak as Home secretary as Theresa May was it’s high time We ditched the LIBLABCONSNP permantely out of Our politics forever https://www.eutruth.org.uk

121535 ▶▶▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Will, 1, #19 of 2397 🔗

Late next year more likely.

121807 ▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Will, 3, #20 of 2397 🔗

Who’s going to get rid of him? Tory backbenchers? Labour? Cabinet coup? Can’t see anyone moving against him.

121825 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Sally, 1, #21 of 2397 🔗

Depends where the false positive came from. If it’s a “cold positive” (smashed up non-viable) virus the same sample might test positive again. Also if the sample itself was contaminated. But if the first result was contamination of the equipment or somebody pressing the wrong button or ticking the wrong box you’ll probably get a negative the second time. So it’s better than nothing but really you should get a new sample.

122976 ▶▶▶ duncanpt, replying to Sally, 1, #22 of 2397 🔗

OK, admit I haven’t read those papers. But on the retest question, I have always assumed that a second test (preferably from a second sample, ie swab) gives some confirmatory signal (or otherwise) as it rules out the chance of an initially contaminated sample (not completely but to a high probability).

So in other words, it protects against false positives. What it wont’ do is protect against what seem to be called “cold positives” ie those from residual virus elements that are non-infectious and not the sign of a current infection (which would be a “hot positive”).

Nor does a retest help in terms of finding out the false positive rate of the test or calibrating it (see Heneghan and/or John Lee).

Personally, I’d like to see all positives followed up by a retest before taking them as meaningful. And I’d like to see the Ct levels quoted in all cases, as they seem to have been running at such high levels that they can nearly get a positive from a vacuum!

120920 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to BobT, 5, #23 of 2397 🔗

N hs Louise Hampton (New) – NHS Whistleblower
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JpqAa25uZ0

120939 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #24 of 2397 🔗

They took a car boot load of party treats into the local Track’n’Trace centre yesterday.
Can’t imagine what they have to celebrate on the day their boss was on the radio expressing her heartfelt apologies to those who wanted to be tested (! ? WTF ?) but could not be because of the failures of her organisation.

120953 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #25 of 2397 🔗

Not this again, all you do is spam us with these same links!

120990 ▶▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to JohnB, 1, #26 of 2397 🔗

It’s a different one

121285 ▶▶▶▶▶ Suzyv, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #27 of 2397 🔗

Yes it is thanks, it’s a follow up and more detailed video. Some people jumping the gun!

122829 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, 1, #28 of 2397 🔗

Maybe check it out first before jumping to wrong conclusions!

120922 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to BobT, 5, #29 of 2397 🔗

Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!
Ivor Cummins
The ultimate update on our viral issue, bar none – Sept 8th 2020 . Get educated guys and gals – or gkeep your head in the sand while your errant leaders destroy society around you… 😉
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac

120924 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to BobT, #30 of 2397 🔗

Studies show hydroxychloroquine cuts ‘virus mortality in half in high risk groups’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKK6Q5kHBlM
Sky News Australia

120925 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to BobT, 1, #31 of 2397 🔗

Victorian doctors argue the lockdown is ‘causing more harm than good’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XunhpcchiLA
Victorian surgeon Dr Geoffrey Wells says a growing number of doctors in the state believe the lock-down is “causing more harm than good”.

120958 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #32 of 2397 🔗

Is he going to be the next one locked up then?

121895 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #33 of 2397 🔗

It appears to have affected their police. They are verging on Nazi SS style.

122878 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #34 of 2397 🔗

Lots of information from Sky News Australia on Youtube.

121092 ▶▶ Small guy, replying to BobT, 3, #35 of 2397 🔗

Tests conducted per confirmed case ratio is basically the same over the last few months, confirming that the increased ‘cases’ are just due to increased tests. For the UK, the ratio is around 1%, which funnily enough is pretty much what the PCR false positive test rate is.
//:0 https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&year=latest&time=2019-12-31 ..2020-09-07&country=ESP~GBR&region=World&testsPerCaseMetric=true&interval=smoothed&hideControls=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

122293 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Small guy, 1, #36 of 2397 🔗

Apparently the 1000+ positive results in Germany are ALL within the false positive ratio.

121244 ▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to BobT, 5, #37 of 2397 🔗

Hello,
agree with what you say if these politicians had drawn themselves a decision tree with false positives and false negatives even with a 98% accuracy you would find out of two positives only one would actually be infected. I know it doesn’t make sense but that’s how unreliable these tests are. I’ve heard of people whose partner had symptoms but tested negative while they had no symptoms but tested positive. In the last century H.G.Wells said the citizens of the future would be able to think statistically as yet we as race have yet to achieve that. This is why lockdown occurred as their over estimated deaths and infections and why they in a panic. In those countries like Sweden and experts like Carl Henneghan we should look for inspiration to fight covidiots like Hancock etc.

122272 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to BobT, 1, #38 of 2397 🔗

The guidance is missing how many maximum duplicates are allowed. The more you duplicate the sample, the higher the chance of a false positive. Very disappointed. Still wishy washy procedures with no-one taking responsibility or charge.

120919 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #39 of 2397 🔗

N hs Louise Hampton (New) – NHS Whistleblower
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JpqAa25uZ0

120954 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, -7, #40 of 2397 🔗

2nd time this is posted today by yourself. You must’ve posted this hundreds of times on here now. Stop the f*cking spam!

121376 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #41 of 2397 🔗

Thanks for sharing this – I hadn’t seen her updated video before.

120921 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #42 of 2397 🔗

Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!
Ivor Cummins
The ultimate update on our viral issue, bar none – Sept 8th 2020 . Get educated guys and gals – or gkeep your head in the sand while your errant leaders destroy society around you… 😉
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac

120955 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, -8, #43 of 2397 🔗

More spam!

121002 ▶▶ Richie B, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #44 of 2397 🔗

I’m watching it right now, thanks

120923 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #45 of 2397 🔗

Studies show hydroxychloroquine cuts ‘virus mortality in half in high risk groups’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKK6Q5kHBlM
Sky News Australia

120956 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, -4, #46 of 2397 🔗

Yet even more spam, copied for the 2nd time today in just 30 posts this morning!

122847 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to JohnB, 2, #47 of 2397 🔗

Must be nice to have nothing else to do than count the posts here.

122887 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to JohnB, 1, #48 of 2397 🔗

You shouldn’t give yourself an up-tick. It makes you look desperate.

120927 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 19, #49 of 2397 🔗

TOBY

I was interviewed by Dan Wootton on TalkRadio yesterday evening and was so furious about the looming over-reaction to the rising case numbers I embarked on a seven-minute rant. Poor Dan could barely get a word in. Not for the faint-hearted.

I thought you were very restrained, Toby

120931 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #50 of 2397 🔗

Great rant Toby

121209 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #51 of 2397 🔗

Toby made excellent points and well done to Dan for letting him speak.

121366 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #52 of 2397 🔗

You were great, Toby – told it like it is. And Dan let you, which was also good.

122296 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #53 of 2397 🔗

Good on you!!!

120928 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 10, #54 of 2397 🔗

Toby Young – Lockdownsceptics website: ” This is in response to the rise in cases in the community – 2,460 new cases on Tuesday – which, as I explained in the Telegraph on Monday, is an artefact of increased testing. In the past week alone there have been over 1.3m coronavirus tests, compared to just 95,188 in the first week of April.”

Of course if any of these people die of anything withing the next 28 days they will be counted as dying “with Covid” whatever the cause of death.
**********

120982 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, -9, #55 of 2397 🔗

2nd time you’ve posted this too. Why do you keep doing this?

121906 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JohnB, 7, #56 of 2397 🔗

Because it bears repeating. Every day. To everyone.

122892 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to JohnB, 2, #57 of 2397 🔗

If you’re bored – why don’t you try to formulate some sort of argument of your very own? Do you think you could do that?

121123 ▶▶ Tone, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #58 of 2397 🔗

Interestingly, I had a look at the test dates of the 2,460 reported. Of those, nearly 500 are over a week old. What do we think that a sample over 7 days old tells us in terms of the progress of a not very serious virus?

122415 ▶▶▶ Brian D, replying to Tone, 1, #59 of 2397 🔗

Where do we find the test dates please? I’ve been looking at the government’s coronavirus dashboard today but could only see the date the test was processed – certainly helps to contextualise it with test date if that is available…

120930 Eddie, replying to Eddie, 30, #60 of 2397 🔗

Can’t we find some superhero hacker that can inject a live LS broadcast over the BBC feed and have Mr Young let fly? There must be somebody out there!

I’m usually ready with some wit or wisdom – sometimes both – but I’m finding it hard to even comprehend what you all are going through over there in the UK. The idiots running things are simply out of control and doubling down on policies that have been DD’d to death already. Every day the absurdity is topped by another layer of measures that baffle the logical minds here.

I feel bad sitting here in Canada with my feet up and enjoying a mask free existence while you all are subject to such…jeez I don’t even want to use a nice big word for it…it’s just bulls**t at every turn. Love you all, keep up the good fight!!

120940 ▶▶ WillemKoppenhol, replying to Eddie, 30, #61 of 2397 🔗

I have that same feeling. I am Dutch, but know quite a lot of Brits personally including family. And my God, the Brits have been so much more terrorized by their government (and still are!) than we (the Dutch) have been these past 6 months. The level of histrionics in the UK are beyond ridiculous. I know a lot of Dutch people (like me!) being angry about the sheer incompetence by the Dutch government to grasp that we are effectively looking at some nasty flu type disease, but we have for instance no mask requirements (except in public transportation, which is also therefore still at less than 50% passenger numbers) .

The reason why Belgium was mentioned in today’s update by Toby is clear to me: the Belgian government (and their version of PHE/SAGE) have gone just as mental as the Brits! And even weirder: the Dutch speaking part of Belgium, Flanders, is the insane part, while the French speaking part, Wallonia, is now turning skeptical very rapidly. I wonder: is there such a divide in Canada as well?

120944 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 21, #62 of 2397 🔗

Thanks for your concern Willem, I don’t know about other parts of the UK but around here you can spend most of the working day more or less unaware of Covid/lockdown except for the masks, newspaper headlines (I don’t actually buy them) and ‘news’ reports on the Radio which I listen to for research purposes only ( know thyne enemy ).

But with last nights news seems things are about to change for the worse especially as our friendly neighbourhood Coppers seem to have morphed into Cybercop Goons stomping on legal dissent with impunity. I can feel my attitude to the government changing from benign disdain to outright hostility.

I have visited your Country many times, each one a happy experience in many different ways and wish you well.

120973 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 10, #63 of 2397 🔗

Hi Willem
do you know if there was any come back on that Dutch policeman who hit the lady with his baton? I think it was back in June.

I really wanted to visit Amsterdam with my children but if it’s the kind of place where baton wielding maniacs can smack up middle aged women with handbags for no apparent reason with impunity I will give it a miss.

Dutch government might want to think about possible impact on its tourist trade if it allows shit like this to go down. I haven’t forgotten about it.

thanks!

121141 ▶▶▶▶ WillemKoppenhol, replying to Sophie123, 16, #64 of 2397 🔗

As far as I know that particular police officer never got into trouble. However, the group organizing that demonstration (now called “ Viruswaarheid ” or “Virus Truth”) did create a lot of buzz around that type of behaviour, it seems it has since become a lot less.

Take for instance Amsterdam: even when there were (during August) mandatory mouth caps in a few small areas of Amsterdam (yep, just a few streets, nothing more, see maps in this page from city website ) local police and such didn’t really gave people fines until just the last few days of that month. You could see that even they didn’t care, in other words didn’t believe in it.

And now even that silly period is over. It turned out that those few streets with the mandatory mouth caps lost a lot of customers, even when the rest of the shops all over the country including Amsterdam did see an uptick of shoppers (there too still not at pre-March levels of course, but much better than in mandatory mouth cap areas). Towards the end of August the shops and marketeers (one street was a daily market) even started a court case against the city because of their losses.

You talk about the impact on tourism. Well, tourism in Amsterdam is doing even worse than the shops! This is terrible to the local economy and luckily also terrible for the city council. Why luckily? Because they also feel the pain of losing the taxation from/on tourism meaning they have to be realistic about the corona bs.

The good thing for the very few (mostly Dutch) tourists is that hotels are now dirt cheap, even 5 star hotels will give ridiculous discounts. So if you want to visit (and don’t care about the British rules when you return…) now would probably be in a way the best time to visit. The museums are open (but require pre-booking). It’s terrible for the culture sector, but there too if you go now you will feel like a king with all the space around you in museums which would otherwise be quite crowded.

No, I don’t work for the Amsterdam tourism board, in tourism or in the culture sector (and actually, I hate the fact they and whatever other businesses didn’t force the Dutch government in March/April to stop our overlords from doing these stupid things to begin with!), but if you’d want to “risk” it, now would oddly enough probably be the best time ever when looking at it from an individual point of view to visit Amsterdam.

(Oh, and that woman being hit? Well, let’s just say that was in The Hague, not Amsterdam.)

121201 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 2, #65 of 2397 🔗

Thank you for that last sentence, I’ve had one or two interactions with Amsterdams Police, all very polite.

121249 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 2, #66 of 2397 🔗

The Amsterdam Police:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSZLGAuJTLQ
Back when things were funny.

121326 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 2, #67 of 2397 🔗

Thank you very much for the insights! Much appreciated.

I am also considering Venice as now might be the time to go without giant cruise ships clogging up the place. I have never been but I will not bother if it is a dystopian nightmare with a downtrodden populace.

Little more research required…

121389 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sophie123, 2, #68 of 2397 🔗

Don’t research by watching ‘Death In Venice’, it’s set during a cholera epidemic.

121665 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Drummerman, replying to Sophie123, #69 of 2397 🔗

Went to Venice at the end of July. Very few people. A joy to be there.

122708 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ WillemKoppenhol, replying to Sophie123, #70 of 2397 🔗

Odd you should talk about Venice, because that is exactly what some Dutch including me were talking about just today: going to Venice! It seems everybody is now wondering “what if I go to place XYZ now, it won’t be overcrowded”…

122895 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 2, #71 of 2397 🔗

We in the UK haven’t been nearly as terrorized as the poor souls in Melbourne, or Victoria generally.

121912 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Eddie, #72 of 2397 🔗

Where are you sitting in Canada? I’m sitting in Montreal.

122563 ▶▶▶ Eddie, replying to richard riewer, #73 of 2397 🔗

Langley, BC
Cheers Richard!

120932 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 26, #74 of 2397 🔗

“The changes will apply . . . in venues such as pubs and restaurants”.

So they are expected to survive with just six people indoors including staff. Jesus H Christ johnson has gone completely fucking insane.

120942 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to karenovirus, 32, #75 of 2397 🔗

I have looked but cannot see the detail of how this is going to work? I sort of get the impression that it is directed at suppressing family life and trying to stop people having crowded social gatherings in their houses. But I cannot see how this will work in pubs?

The Government’s callous disregard for family life in all this hoo-haa has been shocking.

120946 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 15, #76 of 2397 🔗

Presumably this gives the filth the excuse to go barging into any house they choose without a warrant on the grounds that a CoronoCrime might be in progress ?

121947 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 3, #77 of 2397 🔗

Like Australia.

121020 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Steve Martindale, 19, #78 of 2397 🔗

I don’t think they ever cared. Governments and the public sector are never there to serve – its basically a hotbed for people who either have Hitler and Stalin complexes or are not good enough to get jobs in the private sector or want to be paid a lot for doing little.

The damage these insane policies are doing to people and especially children will come home to roost in the form of divorce, breakups, increase in addiction and violence, greater mental health issues and suicide. Children especially are being betrayed and the adults currently responsible for the kiddies should be careful – once the kids twig what’s being done to them, when they grow up they will extract revenge via care homes and finances.

Parents, teachers, heads – you have been warned.

121454 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #79 of 2397 🔗

It’s (obviously) directed at suppressing freedom, no more, no less.

121942 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #80 of 2397 🔗

Breakup of the nuclear family. Part of the plan.

120943 ▶▶ matt, replying to karenovirus, 17, #81 of 2397 🔗

I’d be fairly sure that this applies to gatherings of 6 per party in a pub or restaurant, not to total capacity. I will leave it to your judgement whether that makes a nonsense of the whole bloody thing anyway.

120978 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to matt, 5, #82 of 2397 🔗

Got it now, the current limit of 6 per party/group is currently advice, law from Monday so not a lot different really

120995 ▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to karenovirus, 10, #83 of 2397 🔗

It is not clear what a group is: Sitting at the same table? Talking to each other? If the Gestapo raid the venue how can they prove you are a group of 8 not two adjacently seated groups of 4 if there is a gap between tables?

121036 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Strange Days, 12, #84 of 2397 🔗

The Gestapo never needed to prove anything

121213 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Strange Days, 7, #85 of 2397 🔗

In my early 20 when in my local I would know about half a dozen from school, twenty or so others that I went to parties or rock concerts with and be on ‘hello’ terms with everyone else in the pub.
How big was.my group ?

121363 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to karenovirus, 8, #86 of 2397 🔗

With hindsight that was one of the things I liked best about that time in my life, the knowledge that I could go to a particular pub and be certain of meeting someone I knew and liked and would enjoy spending time with.

121927 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #87 of 2397 🔗

Maybe he always was insane and we just didn’t notice. Psychopaths are good at hiding their true selves.

121977 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to karenovirus, 4, #88 of 2397 🔗

Surely it means no groups bigger than six in pubs and restaurants. So you might have 50 people in a pub but all in groups 6 or smaller?

120933 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 46, #89 of 2397 🔗

Where are the good men when you need them, they are all in Parliament and around the country letting this car crash continue. Johnson, Hancock and friends need to go, they have been compromised big time, this virus is a smokescreen, keep everyone distracted about a virus doing basically nothing.

121056 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Dan Clarke, #90 of 2397 🔗

Possibly to draw attention away from the the Brexit negotiations train wreck?

121517 ▶▶▶ peter, replying to stewart, 4, #91 of 2397 🔗

Britain is being bankrupt in revenge for Brexit. Look at how happy sturgeon is barefaced lying everyday to Scottish people while the country burns.

121955 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to peter, #92 of 2397 🔗
122481 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to peter, #93 of 2397 🔗

Hilarious. On your reading it would be called cutting off your nose to spite your face.

122876 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stewart, #94 of 2397 🔗

Bigger than that.

120934 nat, replying to nat, 5, #95 of 2397 🔗

Another reader posted this consultation document for the covid-19 vaccine lat week, I think it is worth another look as the prospect of a “second wave” looks ever more likely.

There have been some concerns that governments would rush through licensing without adequate safety testing – we could only hope ! This document is seeking views on proposals to roll it out without even waiting for a licence !

“If there is a compelling case, on public health grounds, for using a vaccine before it is given a product licence, given the nature of the threat we face” .

Don’t worry, they go on to assure us, ‘unlicensed’ does not mean ‘untested’

“the licensing authority may consider that the balance of risk and benefit to patients justifies the temporary supply of the relevant vaccine pending the issue of a product licence.”

Considering the current risk of dying from Covid is practically zero for anyone under 60, and the recent testing of the Moderna vaccine, for example, produced side effects in 100% of testers (80% being very serious) how can this risk be justifiable? Well, we are now used to the tricks governments use to increase the numbers.

If we continue to to focus our energy on politicians’ every decision and view their actions as lunacy or incompetence, we miss the big picture. We could find ourselves with mandatory unlicensed vaccines and little or no freedom left to do anything to do about it. Alan Jones discusses an Anti Lockdown party in his piece in today’s round up. I think it is a brilliant idea, and !

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu/consultation-document-changes-to-human-medicine-regulations-to-support-the-rollout-of-covid-19-vaccines

120936 ▶▶ annie, replying to nat, 22, #96 of 2397 🔗

I think the truth is that in some chink of. their tiny stunted little minds, the cretins who oppress us want to get out. They want it all not to have happened. Like someone who’s just crashed his car, entirely by his own fault, wishing he hadn’t made that avoidable mistake, wishing the car could be miraculously put back together again.
And the only way that can happen, they think, is by magic. And the magic is the vaccine. Because they dare not admit to the mistake.
So let’s inject everybody with a drop of distilled water, pretend it’s a vaccine, Get a new car, and pretend that it’s the old one and we never crashed it.

120950 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 12, #97 of 2397 🔗

Spot on Annie, I’ve thought for a while that johnson is like a naughty schoolboy standing outside the Headmasters Office refusing to admit his offence, but the longer he does so the greater retribution he will face.

121030 ▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to karenovirus, 20, #98 of 2397 🔗

I don’t think there’ll be any retribution. This smokescreen is an international effort. Anyone who challenges what they’re doing is a “headbanger” and places themselves outside society’s “shared reality”. We’re in a nightmare.

121967 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Barney McGrew, #99 of 2397 🔗
121961 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #100 of 2397 🔗

Like Ted Kennedy.

120948 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to nat, 27, #101 of 2397 🔗

I won’t be taking their poxy vaccine, tested, licenced or not.

121974 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, #102 of 2397 🔗

A pox on them! All of them!

120935 James, replying to James, 9, #103 of 2397 🔗

Many clergy are wondering whether this will apply to churches. Exemptions apply to funerala and weddings but normal Sunday services are not mentioned.

120949 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to James, 13, #104 of 2397 🔗

Why schools and not universities? What about Alcoholics Anonymous and other support groups?

122312 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to James, #105 of 2397 🔗

As recent infections are mainly in the 15-44 years group, they probably did not think about churches.

122368 ▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to James, #106 of 2397 🔗

Just had an email from my vicar confirming church services were taking place and I read this on the BBC website.
Similarly, places of worship may remain open but with a limit of six people attending per group.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51506729

122826 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #107 of 2397 🔗

That is the understanding of our church, which has very many 15-44 year olds..

120937 WillemKoppenhol, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 23, #108 of 2397 🔗

Noticed a comment underneath a Youtube video:
“Dandruff has killed millions. Anyone dying of heart disease, cancer etc who died “with” dandruff as a contributing factor shall be deemed to have died of dandruff.”

The answers were also quite good:
“and to think there is a cure in the form of a special anti-dandruff shampoo that you can get at ANY supermarket, but do they tell you that ? noooo they don’t.”
“get stuffed my 102 yr old gran father died from dandruff. just wait untill it effects your family and tell me its still a joke.”

That last line made me think. The other day there was a woman claiming on some Youtube comment she had had 3 deaths in the family. THREE. Even 1 in one family is (statistically) rare! I asked her if she had poisoned her family members and was trying to hide it through COVID-19.

Never got an answer of course, but then realized that actually that would nowadays be indeed the perfect crime: kill whomever in your family who has tested positive for COVID-19 (in the last 28 days) and they will be registered as COVID-19 deaths. No deaths registered as murders equals no crimes! COVID-19: the new “stay out of jail” card.

120997 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 3, #109 of 2397 🔗

Somewhere there will be an expensive PR firm tasked with presenting 20+ daily suicides as Dandruff Deaths.

121004 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 8, #110 of 2397 🔗

I am quite sure that the CV-19 death that was actually murder will become a crime fiction trope for many years to come.

121059 ▶▶ stewart, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 8, #111 of 2397 🔗

Pity the nurse looking after Boris Johnson didn’t think of that.

Note to police: It’s a joke! Please don’t come storming into my house… it’s just a joke…

121073 ▶▶▶ WillemKoppenhol, replying to stewart, 12, #112 of 2397 🔗

Did you use a VPN and a Tor browser and did you destroy all digital traces after posting that particular comment? YOU DIDN’T?! Well, good luck finding some Head & Shoulders in prison…

121976 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stewart, 2, #113 of 2397 🔗

Joking ist verboten!

122905 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stewart, #114 of 2397 🔗

But I suspect there were many inner nods as your post was read.

121104 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 7, #115 of 2397 🔗

Do we know if the deaths were “with dandruff” or “from dandruff”?

121128 ▶▶ DespairSquid, replying to WillemKoppenhol, 6, #116 of 2397 🔗

Never mind the cheap and readily available “shampoo” you speak of – I demand the expensive, DNA-altering untested dandruff vaccine!

#WHOcares

120941 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 70, #118 of 2397 🔗

Doing nothing would reveal the truth about the virus – it is gone. Over. It never was all that great a threat. The country has been trashed for no good reason.

Doing ‘something’ – the more drastic the better – conceals the truth. I think it was in April or May there was a podcast (one of Toby’s?) where someone said that the spouse of a minister had let slip that a second national lockdown was planned for October.

The country is being run by criminals.

120945 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Barney McGrew, 24, #119 of 2397 🔗

Many people seem convinced we are about to be enfungeled by a tumultuous second wave that will leave us all dying in the streets. The catch 22 is that if we do not now get a second wave they can claim it was because they had the foresight to take these drastic measures.

It is as if they know it is all over and they know the vaccine work is in trouble and so they are doing this now so that they can later claim a great victory and that it is all over because of their actions. And many people will believe them and hail them as heros and vote for them again. I see the cunning hand of Dominic Cummings behind all this.

120963 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Steve Martindale, 26, #120 of 2397 🔗

If we imagine they will ever be held accountable, perhaps through some mythical ‘public inquiry’, I think we will be disappointed. It is clear to me that the greatest brains in the world cannot convey to the man in the street (or inquiry) what is going on. The more people like Carl Heneghan or Sunetra Gupta talk, the more they can be portrayed as “headbangers” (as a Guardian writer put it yesterday).

I think an expression in the Guardian the other day describes this: most of society has a “shared reality”, and it is formed primarily through interaction with the media.

120968 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Barney McGrew, 26, #121 of 2397 🔗

Although, in the papers where the balance seems to be shifting towards more sceptical pieces, it’s notable that the comments turned sceptical before the articles did. The guardian may think that they can create a reality for us (and no doubt the bulk of their readership is smugly lapping it up, while feeling quite breathless about how virtuous they are) but for the great majority of the country, they are wrong. People are beginning to realise that something’s up and they are beginning to get annoyed.

120972 ▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to matt, 5, #122 of 2397 🔗

I hope you’re right, but the headlines this morning are all hysterical. Typical examples:

Safe Six: So You Think Covid’s Over? Think Again.
(The Metro)

The Government’s Warning System is Flashing Red
(BBC)

120975 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to Barney McGrew, 31, #123 of 2397 🔗

The headlines will continue to be excitable whenever there’s an excuse to be excitable – especially on the BBC and in the Groan – but fewer and fewer people are being taken in. I can feel it happening, I can see it in the comments sections online, I can hear it in overheard conversations and I can tell because nobody ever disagrees anymore when I start a sentence with “the whole thing’s bullshit and government are a complete #@%& shower.”

122581 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Marion, replying to matt, 2, #124 of 2397 🔗

I’m afraid that’s not true for The Times btl comments, there are very many that are bedwetters and insisting that people are selfish, selfish, selfish if they don’t wear a mask, or if they have a party or do anything at all that the government forbids. It’s a terrible newspaper, but my husband kind of likes it and won’t let me cancel the subscription, but reading the comments is a depressing and disheartening experience. I feel I have to monitor it from time to time though, to find out if people are turning into sceptics…from today’s reading few are.

121591 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #125 of 2397 🔗

Such conflicts. A bit more measured this
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54064347

Then this: 83% of excess deaths in Scotland due to CV-19 (of Covid/with Covid who cares eh?)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54085694

121033 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Barney McGrew, 9, #126 of 2397 🔗

Accountability in this context means the Tory Party ceasing to be an electoral force, and the Labour Party failing to make any gain from its current low base. It means political realignment.

121107 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Ovis, 8, #127 of 2397 🔗

Well overdue.Dead parties who represent no one and don’t reflect how the country has changed

121071 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #128 of 2397 🔗

Oxford vaccine Programme suspended, R4 news, 8am.
Sorry if it’s common knowledge but news to me.

121649 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to karenovirus, 8, #129 of 2397 🔗

Very much new news. And big news. One immediately suspects that they are seeing disease enhancement, which led to all attempts to create a vaccine for SARS and MERS being abandoned. One patient falling ill? Has to be more than that. The US gave over a billion dollars to AstraZeneca (which is the Oxford vaccine). The UK bought at least 70m doses at I don’t know what cost (nearly a billion?) We could easily see several billion going down the drain, when you add in all the other countries who ‘advance purchased’.
Still never mind, the UK Govt has bought at least another five candidates!
Strangely, it was probably the least dangerous vaccine when you compare it to the various RNA and DNA candidates that turn one into a GMO.

122013 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #130 of 2397 🔗

Frankenstein’s monster.

122336 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Kevin 2, 5, #131 of 2397 🔗

There is a cat disease, FIP caused by a corona virus. Most infections cause a mild digestive upset, a handful progress to FIP and are usually fatal. There have been attempts to create a vaccine but although cats never exposed to the virus were fine, those that had had a mild version of the virus became seriously ill. We need to know nothing like this would happen in a human vaccine before giving it to people.

122584 ▶▶▶▶▶ Marion, replying to Kevin 2, 3, #132 of 2397 🔗

A billion here, a billion there….pretty soon it’s starts. To look like serious money…. 😜

121095 ▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #133 of 2397 🔗

They will never get my vote. Ever.

121221 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Steve Martindale, 7, #134 of 2397 🔗

The government are putting themselves in a win win situation as they see it.

If there is no “second wave” they keep hyping up doesn’t occur. It will be thanks to all their warnings and restrictions.

If it does materialise well it won’t be their fault – it will be down to selfish buggers like me sen who’ve striven to live like a normal human being.

121629 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #135 of 2397 🔗

Dominic Cummings; who also has his man in charge of the Brexit non-negotiations, and is also deciding the outcome of the defence review.

122010 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #136 of 2397 🔗

And the third wave? Merry Christmas.

121197 ▶▶ alw, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #137 of 2397 🔗

Boris must go#
Civil Disobedience #

121475 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to alw, 7, #138 of 2397 🔗

Johnsonmustgo#

122016 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JohnB, 4, #139 of 2397 🔗

I thought that the hashtag is at the front?

122831 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to richard riewer, 2, #140 of 2397 🔗

Fuck knows. 🙂 I just get nauseated by ‘Boris’, as if he were our mate.

121495 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #141 of 2397 🔗

I agree. Doing something to appear like they are managing the virus and not get found out that nothing needed doing in the first place is to me the most plausible explanation for all this.

122006 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #142 of 2397 🔗

There is plenty of material here for a great detective story. Unfortunately this is not fiction.

120947 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 88, #143 of 2397 🔗

Have I really read this right or am I still sleep-deprived? Have I just worked myself into the effing ground for this bunch of criminals to shut my business down again?

When the bloody hell are people going to rise up against this tyranny …. when?

120961 ▶▶ matt, replying to kh1485, 18, #144 of 2397 🔗

I’ve said this below, KH, but I’m fairly sure that what they’re doing is banning groups of more than 6, not imposing a total capacity of 6 on venues. That is – no more than 6 at a single table. In fact, I think the”guidance” already said this, but this proposes to bring it into law and impose fines.

It’s still mind-bogglingly insane, but it is at least not going to impact pubs and cafes etc (except that it puts an upper limit on the size of a table).

120964 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to matt, 24, #145 of 2397 🔗

Sorry, I thought it included pubs and restaurants to a maximum of six people. Thanks for the clarification. Like I say, sleep-deprived and just beyond angry at what is being done to us. This drip-drip of threats of curtailment of liberty and life.

120971 ▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to kh1485, 13, #146 of 2397 🔗

No problem. I haven’t actually seen the legislation yet. Sorry, strike that – I haven’t actually read Matt Hancock’s twitter feed, yet, but I’d be surprised if this wasn’t what they’re doing.

We had a couple of weeks away recently – for the first week, we were with my mother and a couple of friends (so, we were 7) and the second week with some different friends and their kids (so, 8). We found that many places wouldn’t seat us together for dinner because the guidance said 6. I think this is “just” mandating that guidance and imposing a fine.

Also, KH, my reading so far is that the individual is liable, not the venue (as with the mask mandate) so if your customers want to sit in larger groups, I don’t think you need to stop them.

I may be wrong. I’ll look at the actual wording once it’s published.

120981 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to matt, 11, #147 of 2397 🔗

Thanks Matt. Sorry, on a bit of a hair-trigger right now. And this stuff is so hard to make any sense of.

120985 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to kh1485, 8, #148 of 2397 🔗

Completely understand the hair trigger, KH. And no problem at all.

120965 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to matt, 14, #149 of 2397 🔗

I would say not only insane, but completely unenforceable

120983 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Sophie123, 4, #150 of 2397 🔗

Yes, right on both points.

120987 ▶▶▶▶▶ matt, replying to TJN, 14, #151 of 2397 🔗

I’m just looking forward to the footage of a dad being pepper sprayed when two families of 4 meet in a play park.

121856 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to matt, 3, #152 of 2397 🔗

Ay up, we’re all equal now. Surely they’d pepper spray a mum first ?

120992 ▶▶▶▶ Roadrash, replying to Sophie123, 20, #153 of 2397 🔗

I wish it was unenforceable but pound to a penny local councils will try their best to enforce it. For 6 months my son has been forced to train in a park, uncoached, with a small group of friends because the council closed the outdoor track to prevent groups of kids and others gathering in one place. It opened last night for the club with restrictions. I am now almost certain they will shut it again. The restrictions last night included no long jump pits (cos they can’t disinfect sand – I’m not making this up), no high jump or pole vault because of the impracticalities of disinfecting the landing mats.

i effing give up. Curfews next and we will do nothing.

121875 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Roadrash, 1, #154 of 2397 🔗

How hard would it be for ‘someone’ to re-enable access to the track, Rr ?

120967 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to matt, 21, #155 of 2397 🔗

I think there is also going to be some sort of complex,probably unintelligible, rule with regard to household and household bubbles (whatever they are?) where there are 6 or more people in the household already. So when the police break in to your family gathering they will need to see your family tree, birth certificates etc.

I suspect they will be relying on people to snitch on each other, which they will do. As a lady said to me in the village the other day, this has brought out all the little hitlers!

121024 ▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to matt, 21, #156 of 2397 🔗

Gosh, it’s that intelligent virus again, isn’t it? It strikes in people’s homes but not in pubs, restaurants or cinemas!

121180 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 12, #157 of 2397 🔗

Plus it can count!!!!

121401 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to matt, 2, #158 of 2397 🔗

Correct, it was explained by the nice lady on R2 7am news.

121013 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 12, #159 of 2397 🔗

Good question. Many people are still asleep and believe the hullabaloo about “cases” and the “second wave” narrative. It does make one feel despair.

I’m beginning to wonder if even the threat of losing jobs and bankruptcy will wake people up.

121057 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Bart Simpson, 15, #160 of 2397 🔗

I think they think the magic money tree will just keep on giving. Most people appear to be economically illiterate.

121181 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kh1485, 9, #161 of 2397 🔗

Agree. Add also scientifically illiterate as well.

121078 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to kh1485, #162 of 2397 🔗

I don’t think so current advisory limit of 6 in groups becomes law on Monday

122818 ▶▶ TyLean, replying to kh1485, 7, #163 of 2397 🔗

They won’t rise up, because they are a bunch of cunts.

Edit: I take that back. I should not have insulted female anatomy by comparing it to such mindless drones.

122952 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to TyLean, #164 of 2397 🔗

Moreover, no woman would have dreamt up such a stupid idiotic policy. Or at least, far fewer women than men.

120951 Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 21, #165 of 2397 🔗

Gatherings of 6 or more banned in the U.K. after more people died of Flu this week than Coronavirus.

121239 ▶▶ Locked down and out, replying to Lord Rickmansworth, 6, #166 of 2397 🔗

Ten times more people, in fact, died of flu/pneumonia last week than succumbed to the not-so deadly CV-19.

120952 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 8, #167 of 2397 🔗

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/it-s-time-for-the-nhs-to-get-back-to-work

https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/08/covid-19-scamdemic-part-2/

Yesterday the local council sent me its latest public consultation questionnaire on ‘experiences in recent covid pandemic

Respondents’ suggestions and opinions sought in the final question:
I doubt whether my short sharp suggestions will be welcomed by the covid control planners.

121000 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to wendyk, #168 of 2397 🔗

Excellent articles, should be read by everyone

120959 Telpin, replying to Telpin, 9, #169 of 2397 🔗

Every single person on this site needs to write to their MP begging them not to extend the Co Vid Act – would stop this in its tracks if MPs would vote against any extension

120960 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Telpin, 16, #170 of 2397 🔗

Right now I don’t trust myself to write anything coherent, let alone polite. What have these idiots done, what have they done …

120966 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Telpin, 8, #171 of 2397 🔗

Are they voting about anything, laws seem to be going through without any parliamentary scrutiny and my MP doesn’t reply now, are they still working for the people or just taking the salary

120977 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dan Clarke, 13, #172 of 2397 🔗

All 600 plus MP’s will vote to extend it anyway.

120974 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Telpin, 13, #173 of 2397 🔗

I think you’ll find that virtually everyone on here has written to their MP multiple times, makes f*ck all difference.

120979 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JohnB, 7, #174 of 2397 🔗

My MP has something to do with the Treasury, or at least she was wheeled out for the pre-Budget photo-op.

I am surprised that she has not visited businesses in the towns she represents to see how they are doing during this madness. But I guess she just hasn’t got the guts.

121098 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to kh1485, 2, #175 of 2397 🔗

They only have to look around London,still empty with many businesses still shuttered and closed.

121099 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, 3, #176 of 2397 🔗

Same here, no sign of my local MP. Seems to just be hiding behind here staff on responses to letters and emails, and the odd tweet.

121142 ▶▶▶ Allan Gay, replying to JohnB, 4, #177 of 2397 🔗

Taking a leaf from the warmist playbook, the latest graph in The Mail Online lumps past fatalities and present “cases” together as “infections”.

The graph resulting from this fraudulent conflation implies an imminent tsunami.

My MP has not acknowledged receipt of the letter in which I ask him to vote against renewal of the Act on 26th September.

121012 ▶▶ Samantha, replying to Telpin, 1, #179 of 2397 🔗

Agree, I did it last night.

121019 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Samantha, 3, #180 of 2397 🔗

Are people able to share their letters so that there are ready made templates? I know people have shared previously but cannot see that these are stored anywhere? It would to quote some up to date pertinent stats.

121072 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Telpin, 1, #181 of 2397 🔗

I believe the Keep Britain Free website has templates.

121068 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Telpin, 12, #182 of 2397 🔗

You’re living in the past. We don’t have a parliamentary democracy any more, I’m afraid. We are in a soft dictatorship. (This is no exaggeration. I include”soft” to be accurate.)

122036 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to stewart, 3, #183 of 2397 🔗

They are still hard boiling the egg. Us.

121598 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Telpin, 4, #184 of 2397 🔗

It goes like this. Faux negotiation. Tories ask for 2 years extension, Labour push back and give 6 to 12 months. Everyone wins. We continue to inflict untold horrors on a nation

122589 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Telpin, #185 of 2397 🔗

Don’t beg, demand. Or you might lose your seat in the next election.Or sooner than that.

122994 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, #186 of 2397 🔗

The way things are going, there won’t be any more elections. The Cabinet have effectively performed a coup.

120969 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to 2 pence, 6, #188 of 2397 🔗

Transverse myelitis, apparently.

Just after having signed a safety pledge too. Knowing how these things work, it’s highly likely AZ would have known about the reaction before the pledge was issued. But there is no way they couldn’t have signed it, when all the other vaccine manufacturers had. That would have looked even more suspect.

121679 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Sophie123, 2, #189 of 2397 🔗

Very good points.

120970 Dan Clarke, 14, #190 of 2397 🔗

Anyone want to believe this is what is happening, an agreement which is not mandatory but being implemented, Agenda 21 is a UN plan to deprive nations of their sovereignty, and individuals of their property rights. On the fringes of the right, a benign agreement encouraging social and environmental stewardship became a disguised attempt to impose global communism on free citizens.

120976 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 19, #191 of 2397 🔗

The Great Reset, people still dont understand what it means and what the zealots in this country are doing.

121074 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #192 of 2397 🔗

Whether planned or opportunistic, that is pretty much what is happening.

120986 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 14, #193 of 2397 🔗

https://www.globalresearch.ca/do-face-masks-work-8-peer-reviewed-studies/5723124

They do work!
They are very effective at killing a democracy and at INCREASING viral and bacterial infections.
Including Corona, as the virus load increases in an asymptomatic person through their use, turning him into a symptomatic and infective one thereby alone.

Which is why Sweden, DK&co do not even have a casedemic problem currently, but why the UK, F, D&co do and will continue to have it.

So, the only reason for not abolishing mandating or even better for not prohibiting facemasks is, if a government wants to continue to see the Corons virus spreading.

121008 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jay Berger, 9, #194 of 2397 🔗

Masks are being using to achieve herd immunity. With the uproar back in March when we were going down the herd immunity route, what better way than to implement masks which people think protect them but which spread infection three times more than no face mask at all (this taken from the CEBM paper into the 7 face mask studies since the 2009 Swine Flu).

121042 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to JohnB, 2, #195 of 2397 🔗

Yep.
And everyone should be able to understand that, after the NYT article about the PCR tests and the importance of viral load for infectivity it demonstrated was punlished.

120988 Thinkaboutit, replying to Thinkaboutit, 54, #196 of 2397 🔗

I am now afraid. Not of the virus but of my government who seem to have the evil intent of destroying the country economically, socially and medically. For a virus that is now not even a bad flu season. Based on faulty “science” . We are being led by psychopaths and morons

120993 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Thinkaboutit, #197 of 2397 🔗

Every country gets the government it deserves.

121014 ▶▶▶ Lord Rickmansworth, replying to Jay Berger, 6, #198 of 2397 🔗

If only they pledge in their manifesto’s “If there’s a random pandemic that is effectively harmless to 99.99% of the population, this is what we will do…”

120998 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Thinkaboutit, 5, #199 of 2397 🔗

All you hear on the BBC is:

“Infections are rising.”

“Do you think we should have a cerfew? asked with glee”

121011 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, -3, #200 of 2397 🔗

Post 1. How many more times will we see this today?

121027 ▶▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to JohnB, 3, #201 of 2397 🔗

I thought you might enjoy it a second time, in German, back to front

„Denkst du, wir sollten eine Ausgangssperre haben? fragte vor Freude “
“Infektionen steigen.”
Alles, was Sie auf der BBC hören, ist:

121096 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, -2, #202 of 2397 🔗

Spamtastic!

121458 ▶▶▶▶▶ Paul Mendelsohn, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #203 of 2397 🔗

Mein Rat ist; Hör auf, der verdammten BBC zuzuhören!

120999 ▶▶ matt, replying to Thinkaboutit, 32, #204 of 2397 🔗

I still don’t buy that the government is participating in a global grand plan, but I now absolutely think we’re past the point where their actions can be put down to mere incompetence. The extent to which they are still trying to manipulate the situation to cover their backsides and are prepared to take absolutely everyone and everything down with them is now comfortably into the territory of psychopathic.

121037 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to matt, 7, #205 of 2397 🔗

I’ve been saying for a while now that the only way that they can still be seen to act in the people’s interest and in good faith is if they know of something really bad upcoming, which they can’t or don’t want to tell us about in order to prepare better for it.
Like an asteroid hitting Earth or so.
There is no other explanation and excuse left.

121052 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Jay Berger, 6, #206 of 2397 🔗

That’s the conspiracy theory I’ve been hearing from lockdownistas for months. “It’s worse than they’re telling us.” It’s the only way supporters can make it all add up.

121220 ▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #207 of 2397 🔗

How would the measures they’ve imposed help in the event of an asteroid impact?

121578 ▶▶▶▶▶ alison, replying to Ossettian, 6, #208 of 2397 🔗

I suppose it would assist in the cultivation of resignation in the final hours. The bad news is, we’re going to be wiped out by an asteroid. The good news is, at least you don’t have to put up with any more of this Covid B.S..

122092 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to alison, #209 of 2397 🔗

Maybe Covid came from an Asteroid? Or a comet?

121091 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to matt, 24, #210 of 2397 🔗

What they did in Leicester,where they ramped up testing then used the results to lock down the city,they have replicated nationwide.They know there wasnt a corresponding rise in deaths and hospitalisations in Leicester.This is malign intent there can be no other rationale.

121660 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to matt, 2, #211 of 2397 🔗

Yes. Nobody could be that incompetent. Therefore it is being stage-managed. If it is not part of a grand plan, then how else do you understand it?

121787 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Kevin 2, 3, #212 of 2397 🔗

Nobody could be that incompetent .”

I beg to differ. One of the reasons for limiting the powers of government is precisely that governments are made up of humans, and humans can cause spectacular damage even without being particularly evil.

And furthermore, emotion (especially fear) negates reasoning, rendering any amount of personal intelligence and education non-functional..

122095 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mark, 1, #213 of 2397 🔗

Universities in the U.S. are implementing contact and tracing measures already.

123024 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Mark, #214 of 2397 🔗

They have completely dismpowered the actual government and are following the advice of the nudge unit. There is nothing incompetent about this. It’s being very effectively stage-managed.

121689 ▶▶▶ 4096, replying to matt, 2, #215 of 2397 🔗

Yes, I think that, as many have pointed out before, it is not unlikely at all that many governments around the world are now just cynically trying to keep the fear level up to make it seem like the destruction of the economy was justified and they are simply trying to buy time to come up with some way to get out of this because they know that if they just came out and told the truth all that fear in the population could easily to turn to anger on the scale we have not seen in recent history – and they are scared.

122100 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to 4096, #216 of 2397 🔗

Do they think that the vaccines will help boost the economy? What if everybody dies or is rendered incapable of working?

121797 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to matt, #217 of 2397 🔗

Was thinking about this while watching John Edmunds’ spectacularly bedwetting performance on ITN the other night . The man’s neither particularly stupid nor I think necessarily the kind of actor he’d have to be to pretend all that. Nor can I see any reason to suppose he’s personally corrupt, at least in the obvious sense.

These people mostly, I think, have committed themselves to an understanding of reality that is just about rationalisable, but is diverging increasingly from the observed evidence, but they just cannot bring themselves to admit that they were wrong on such a vital matter.

Particularly ironic for Edmunds, who has already made one switch of sides on the issue.

I don’t think it’s irrelevant, either, that they see the matter as nasty right-wing brexit types, with whom they would prefer not to be associated, versus decent upstanding establishment respectability.

122088 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to matt, 2, #218 of 2397 🔗

The global grand plan is psychopathy at its finest.

121009 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Thinkaboutit, 6, #219 of 2397 🔗

I’m tempted to think that, but then I look at France, Spain, Italy, Germany, etc. etc. It is a symptom of a much wider problem: global guardians with magic money.

122529 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to WhyNow, 1, #220 of 2397 🔗

The global guardians are the leaders of the global psychopathy.

121035 ▶▶ bluefreddy, replying to Thinkaboutit, 18, #221 of 2397 🔗

I have been afraid since mid March. Not of the virus, but of governments, almost worldwide.

120991 Jay Berger, 2, #222 of 2397 🔗

On the bright side, the whole thing will be over after Christmas in the UK, as Johnson’s sole concern always was, is and will be to make the upcoming, now even illegal, no-deal Brexit look as good as possible.

120996 TJN, replying to TJN, 8, #223 of 2397 🔗

I hope they don’t bring in a curfew down here. Otherwise I’ll have to go out walking late at night. I need my sleep!

121430 ▶▶ ChrisW, replying to TJN, 8, #224 of 2397 🔗

Absolutely, I don’t normally go out after 10pm but if it’s made illegal then I’ll do it every day!

121446 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to ChrisW, 2, #225 of 2397 🔗

Our old police station custody suite had a dozen cells, the new one has eighty, just sayin’.

121651 ▶▶▶▶ ChrisW, replying to karenovirus, 1, #226 of 2397 🔗

Do you get tea and biscuits?

122107 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to ChrisW, #227 of 2397 🔗

Horlicks before bed time?

121001 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 26, #228 of 2397 🔗

I’m afraid the BBC, and others, are engaged in a deception when they talk about “cases”. We are much too mild in our criticism. It’s not just that positive tests may not be reliable. It is that a positive test is not a “case” at all. The word is designed to elide between the symptoms and the test result.

Look at it this way. After a vaccine, everyone will test positive. So how will they know if anyone has the disease? They will all be asymptomatic “cases”.

The BBC has form on this. If they reported that positive tests are rising but no-one is going to hospital, then everyone would immediately conclude that the test is not much use. By calling it a “case” they imply the disease, without saying so. “Positive tests are rising but no-one has symptoms” doesn’t have quite the same propaganda value.

121031 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to WhyNow, 19, #229 of 2397 🔗

Exactly, politicians,journalists and officialdom have in the main failed to understand science and tend to either ignore it or accept everything the experts say without question. Peter Hitchens has pointed out the extreme failure of journalism over this virus hoo-haa. Why has no journalist sought to question this whole testing business?
Why has nobody challenged the current concept that test results alone should determine public health policy, as far as I am aware this is quite unprecedented?

Sloppy terminology that fails to differentiate between SARS-Cov2 test results, infections and actual medical cases of Covid19 has only helped fuel the hysteria.

Boris Johnson still looks ill, Hapless Hancock looks increasingly manic and the blinkered hysterical views of SAGEare accepted and implemented. They have created Frankenstein and now do not know what to do with him?

121032 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to WhyNow, 8, #230 of 2397 🔗

The hospital stats for COVID-19 yesterday were 757 in hospital in the UK, with only 77 of these being serious enough for the patient to be on ventilation. As there’s been 32,274 cases in the last 21 days in the UK, surely if this was a serious 2nd wave then we would be seeing thousands admitted into hospital each day like the 4,000 at the peak at the beginning of April. As it it only around 100 people per day are being admitted, and as there is only 757 people still in hospital they’re being discharged pretty quickly.

121045 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to JohnB, 10, #231 of 2397 🔗

Much of the public believe that the hospital cases and deaths are coming in the next week or two. If there is any thought behind this it is that Dominic Cummings has realised that there is no second wave and thus they will look stupid and so they have done this so that when no second wave happens, they can say it was because they took this drastic action. They can then proclaim themselves the great victors.

121208 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #232 of 2397 🔗

But they can be held to what they’ve just done.

Mr. Hancock et al should be asked now what they expect the seven day mortality rate will be at the end of the month.

If it transpires to be way above the figure which materialises it will show they have panicked.

For any prediction to be near or below the figure that materialises, my guess is the predicted increase will have to be very modest – certainly not the same rate of increase as there has been with “cases” – and theretofore not one they will want to give as it doesn’t suit their message.

121613 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to WhyNow, #233 of 2397 🔗

Well the BBC are reporting something to that effect now. Although with no balls to call it what this is.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54064347

122108 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to WhyNow, 1, #234 of 2397 🔗

Newspeak in the 21st Century.

121003 davews, 20, #235 of 2397 🔗

Will read all the comments and Toby’s summary later. Just woke to the news of the restricted gatherings. So it looks like the round Reading heritage walk I booked next week as part of Heritage Days now won’t go ahead, it is already limited to 10 participants but is all outside. I imagine our hoped for church services will also now be cancelled and our first radio club meeting tonight the last. This government (not even government, it is not even a cabinet decision) has totally lost its way..

121005 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 30, #236 of 2397 🔗

I am hopping mad at this latest insanity from Hancock. Just sent the following to my MP.

This latest insanity from Matt Hancock must be opposed. He is destroying lives and businesses for no reason.

More people are dying in car accidents than are due to Covid.

The number of people who have died due to lockdown (due eg to suspension of normal health care, cancer diagnosis and treatment etc). than have died from Covid.

Parliament has the power to put an end to this.

121007 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basileus, 4, #237 of 2397 🔗

Got my grammar scrambled, but just shows how mad I am.

121153 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Basileus, 4, #238 of 2397 🔗

Don’t kill grammie!

121198 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to annie, 2, #239 of 2397 🔗

“Don’t kill your grammar” would have been funnier. Don’t you hate people who do that?, he said, getting coat and running 🙂 🙂

122116 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #240 of 2397 🔗

Dan Hicks & His Hot Licks. Bad Grammar Baby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEDrbq_ZRFg

121010 Peter Thompson, replying to Peter Thompson, 18, #241 of 2397 🔗

Waking up to find the insanity has suddenly got worse is a depressing experience. Boris plainly does not understand the damage he has done to the mental and physical health of the people of this country. The use of curfews is really chilling , straight out of North Korea and Victoria.

A quick perusal of the news from the southern hemisphere indicates to me the madness of the sham medical police state overseas. . New Zealand has bulk bought hundreds of ventilators ! ( So March 2020 ) ” We must have ventilators ! ”

The Deputy Chief Medical Officer of Victoria has recommended making your own bed first thing in the morning to improve your mental anguish . I suppose it is as useful as face masks. !

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12362816

121016 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Peter Thompson, 14, #242 of 2397 🔗

Airing a bed is by leaving the covers pulled down all morning is better for your health, or so my grandmother who lived healthily into her 90’s taught me.

122118 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Peter Thompson, 1, #243 of 2397 🔗

On the whole, ventilators did not work very well. That fact was exposed in April or May 2020.

123072 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, #244 of 2397 🔗

NZ locked down so successfully it clearly wasn’t aware of that – or it’s bought a job lot of all the ones the other countries soon realised were surplus to requirements …..

121015 Poppy, replying to Poppy, 43, #245 of 2397 🔗

If we had the testing capacity that we do now back in March/April, the ‘spikes’ we’re seeing now would be dwarfed by the likely hundreds of thousands of cases we would have found, both symptomatic and supposedly asymptomatic. We were also only testing ostensibly sick people, so the thousands of cases we had back in March/April were just the tip of the iceberg. I imagine the waters were muddied by every single hospital patient getting tested rather than just those with Covid symptoms, as well as false positives, but the point still stands. Now, asymptomatic young people are being tested in their droves when previously it was just sick people.

So now the government is being plainly dishonest in imposing more restrictions and not even following ‘the science’ anymore. The 3000 cases we saw over the weekend were a totally different sample to the 3000 we saw a day at the end of May, and the net is also cast much wider now due to increased testing capacity. I find it utterly astonishing that the government isn’t putting these new ‘case’ figures into their scientific context to reassure the frightened public that this isn’t the beginning of a second wave, and deaths still linger at an all-time low. If you test millions more people, expect to find many more cases.

I would have expected a rational government led by science to hold firm and explain that these new cases in young people are absolutely nothing to worry about. I don’t accept the ‘but they’ll pass it on to granny’ argument because the government itself has said these new infections have been driven by young people having the audacity to socialise, hold parties and enjoy themselves like normal young people. I highly doubt that ‘granny’ was in attendance at these midnight raves. Besides, the only real way to protect ‘granny’ is to let it spread amongst the young and healthy to build herd immunity so the virus can’t reach her! I also think ‘granny’ can make her own choices about her life and risk assessment and I am sure many ‘grannies’ would have something to say about how their grandchildren’s lives are being totally ruined by government cowardice.

The fact that the government has imposed new restrictions off the back of contextless case figures is sheer dishonesty now and a sure sign as any that this isn’t about public health anymore, it’s about clinging on to power and control and trying to justify a monumental cock-up.

121051 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Poppy, 10, #246 of 2397 🔗

Don’t pass it on to granny? Like all the years we had the flu?

It’s a mark of stupidity saying that.

But as for the government being rational and led by science, they’ve been using “the science” to push their climate agenda for over a decade. The Met Office with its temperature anomaly chart allowed to be used like a national standard when it is pure speculation.

This hasn’t changed in years. These people have no concept of how to apply science to the real world yet would get annoyed if their cars, food, phones developed faults that may be dangerous.

Only an ideology can drive that blindness.

What’s interesting here is the Blade Runner effect – he who burns the brightest burns the least. We have a clear as day public record because of all the virture signalling, of just how bad they’ve got it wrong.

Provided we survive this that’s their legacy. It is up to us and others to take advantage of this

121061 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to mhcp, 15, #247 of 2397 🔗

When has the Gov ever been concerned about saving Granny and Grandad? Just think of how many Grannies and Granddads they have killed or let die over the years who have died from poverty, loneliness, not being afforded medical treatment based on age, neglect, abuse in care home, and not to mention Harold Shipman and the many similar cases that have gone under the radar.

121149 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to JohnB, 8, #248 of 2397 🔗

Dead right. Look at the way they grumbled about the cost of care for the elderly. Kill ’em all off, save the money, blame the young.

Excuse me while I vomit.

122121 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JohnB, 6, #249 of 2397 🔗

Manslaughter at the very minimu.

121066 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to mhcp, 16, #250 of 2397 🔗

Didnt the government kill enough grannies themselves when they shipped the infected back to the care homes .

121086 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to mjr, 7, #251 of 2397 🔗

Exactly, they couldn’t give two hoots about granny and granddad back then.

121290 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to mjr, 6, #252 of 2397 🔗

excellent point. Someone should prosecute Hancock for senecide.

121603 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, 1, #253 of 2397 🔗

Yes but that was to ‘save the NHS’

122123 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, #254 of 2397 🔗

And transfer all the grannies to the care homes.

122660 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 2, #255 of 2397 🔗

Don’t kill the NHS. More important than grannies.

122120 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to mhcp, #256 of 2397 🔗

Don’t kill granny!

121257 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Poppy, 5, #257 of 2397 🔗

Carl H made the wonderful point that locking young people up with restrictions during the day will lead to a release of pressure at night.

121606 ▶▶▶ alison, replying to kf99, 4, #258 of 2397 🔗

This is such a good point. If they would open music venuesnand nightclubs and allow bars to operate in a more normal manner, there would be fewer house parties and unlicensed raves. Instead, the clowns threaten pub closures and curfews which will increase big house parties and raves. If young people are supposedly passing it on to each other, might as well do so while supporting nightlife economy and not annoying the neighbours or the police.

121017 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 24, #259 of 2397 🔗

The problem with these random government actions is that, sooner or later, the entire country stops taking the government, the law and all that goes with that, seriously.

It’s called bringing the law into disrepute…..and that road leads straight to anarchy…….

121022 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Tim Bidie, 5, #260 of 2397 🔗

Exactly Tim. And it is purely by the principles of people that there should be certain principles of society that full scale mayhem doesn’t happen all at once. But that set of principles will go out the window when you are protecting things you care about.

Oce again we see this drug addict government causing damage in the search for a continued fix. And it seems we are enabling that

121018 Suburbian, replying to Suburbian, 14, #261 of 2397 🔗

social gatherings limited…oh my are people actually talking to each other too much and saying this is all bullsh*t? Yes that’s exactly the case. To be honest very few people are going to be noticing this change anyway.

121025 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Suburbian, 15, #262 of 2397 🔗

The main reason for SD always was and still is to prevent dissent from coming up and spreading uncontrollably.
German states are now making facemasks compulsory outside, if more than 200 people get together.
This is solely a move to suppress the too successful demonstrations there.

122245 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #263 of 2397 🔗

Time to oust Merkel.

121145 ▶▶ annie, replying to Suburbian, 9, #264 of 2397 🔗

People need to be with people. Man is a social animal. There are limits to the restraint that can be placed on the (second?) most fundamental human instinct. And it can’t be appeased through Zoom.

121271 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 5, #265 of 2397 🔗

David Blunkett said in a recent interview that Zoom is and will always be second best. He’s right.

121288 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, 7, #266 of 2397 🔗

I’m having people who’ve returned to the office tell me how anti-social the new workplace rules are. The office is now no longer a social experience.

122594 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JohnB, 2, #267 of 2397 🔗

It’s The New Normal Social Experience. Social Engineering at its finest.

121618 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 4, #268 of 2397 🔗

“People need to be with people” which is why they reserve solitary confinement to the most recalcitrant prisoners.
.

122344 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to karenovirus, 3, #269 of 2397 🔗

I am telling everyone that the only people who think Zoom is as good as a F2F meeting are people who think phone sex is as good as sex.

Weird people, basically.

121021 Telpin, replying to Telpin, 2, #270 of 2397 🔗

Is this only applicable in England? Does anyone know?

121041 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Telpin, 2, #271 of 2397 🔗

Yep, England only

122110 ▶▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to bucky99, 4, #272 of 2397 🔗

Wee Krankie MacFishface has her turn tomorrow – my betting is similar to Nanny Boris, but with her own tweaks, eg she will have the curfew in Scotland or she will make face coverings mandatory everywhere.

Like everyone else here – when is enough, enough?

122142 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 2, #273 of 2397 🔗

Wee Krankie MacFishface … now a new item on the McDo Value Meal Menu. I’m Lovin’ It!

122663 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to bucky99, 1, #274 of 2397 🔗

It’s worldwide. It’s The New Celibacy.

121023 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #275 of 2397 🔗

Does anyone get anything back from their MPs?

Mine wrote a long list of questions to Hancock regarding why various treatment were being used. He obviously didn’t receive a reply.

Eventually someone came back saying Hydroxychloroquine was still undergoing “trials”. It’s been on the market for about 400 years and there have need many trials recommending its use for Covid 19 with the right dose and it’s being used in other countries including Switzerland.

His staff told us that Minister’s never reply to MPs questions.

121134 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #276 of 2397 🔗

I have had a couple, out of about a dozen emails I’ve sent. Both just boilerplate stuff. She’s useless.

122253 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #277 of 2397 🔗

Nothing from anyone – MPs, Ministers, Chair of parliamentary Committees, the 1922 committee, councils, trade bodies, companies – absolutely SFA from anyone, deafening silence.

121026 nfw, replying to nfw, 7, #278 of 2397 🔗

How do we get the message across that increases in “cases” does not mean increases in deaths? Once upon a time it was about “flattening the curve” with regard to deaths. Golly gosh gee that happened so now “the narrative” is about flattening the curve on “cases”. Of course what they’re not telling the Karens and Chads is that a “case” just means “positive” result, not a death. It’s obvious the more “testing” you do, the more “cases” you are going to find. So what? Let’s try it for TB shall we, especially for all those illegals entering the UK?

121039 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to nfw, 9, #279 of 2397 🔗

You can’t, the sheeple only read the headline, there is no point trying to explain anything to them.

121065 ▶▶▶ Mike, replying to JohnB, 5, #280 of 2397 🔗

Skipper, unfortunately I think you are closer to the truth than many of us would like to admit!!

121063 ▶▶ mjr, replying to nfw, 5, #281 of 2397 🔗

unfortunately even Toby still refers to “cases” in his daily summaries despite being advised against this many times. The word should be banned

121122 ▶▶▶ Libertarianist, replying to mjr, 2, #282 of 2397 🔗

In the same way that if I walk into a room that has someone with measles in, within seconds I will have the virus contaminating me and would test positive with a PCR test. In what normal sense am I now a “case” of measles?

121630 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to nfw, 3, #283 of 2397 🔗

I just ask people if they know how many people died of Covid yesterday, they generally hazard a guess 20-50, they are surprised when I tell them
” 6 (or whatever the number was that day) and how many got run over by a truck ?”

Tends to get them thinking.

121028 nfw, replying to nfw, 6, #284 of 2397 🔗

Imagine if you can a virus so deadly you have to be tested to know if you have had it? Well, we live in Rod Serling’s Twilight Zone everyday now thanks to stupid politicians who want more power and control and can’t admit they were both wrong and continue to lie to us.

122150 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to nfw, 1, #285 of 2397 🔗

Also thanks to the people who voted for them.

121029 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 12, #286 of 2397 🔗

A few days ago I sent the following to the contact email address for British Transport Police.

I am writing to you to express my concern over recent press reports regarding the removal of a rail passenger from a train for not wearing a mask. One report from the Daily Mail is here:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8701013/Father-five-pepper-sprayed-rail-police-claims-innocent.html

and you are no doubt aware that a video of the event has gone viral on the internet.

I note that your values as set out on your web page include the following:

  • Integrity and respect: Acting with honesty and authenticity, demonstrating respect and understanding.
  • Trust and confidence: Promoting confidence in BTP and the Police Service, providing reliable and consistent quality of service.

It seems only fair to question whether these values are in evidence in the conduct of the officer involved with the incident.

I fully realise that I am not aware of all the circumstances surrounding the incident but I have seen enough for me to wish to raise the matter with you. There are conspiracy theories circulating to the effect that there is a deliberate strategy on the part of Government to move this country towards a police state. While I reject this view I am sure you will agree with me that incidents of this sort only serve to support this narrative.

I am therefore asking that you conduct a full and thorough investigation so that any wrongdoing on the part of the officer concerned can be addressed. I hope I may see some public statement regarding your handling of the matter in due course.

I have received no response to date, not even an automated one.

121060 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Basileus, 1, #287 of 2397 🔗

better make sure you keep to the speed limits from now on….

121080 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to mjr, #288 of 2397 🔗

Always do.

121034 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #289 of 2397 🔗

GMB surprisingly critical of the government this morning.

121084 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Tom Blackburn, #290 of 2397 🔗

For the wrong reasons.

122412 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Tom Blackburn, #291 of 2397 🔗

For those of us not in the know what’s the GMB?

123096 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, 1, #292 of 2397 🔗

I’m guessing tv breakfast show – Good Morning Britain.
Never seen it. The idea of wanting the tv on during the day is baffling to me.

121038 Mark, replying to Mark, 13, #293 of 2397 🔗

I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but the fact that Government has decided to react in this way to what is clearly just an increase in false positives is quite extraordinary.

Extraordinary from one perspective, for sure, but from another, it’s absolutely consistent of the behaviour we have been seeing from our political, social and scientific elites throughout this coronapanic farce.

121044 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mark, 3, #294 of 2397 🔗

They’ve started pushing the “false negative” line since last week. So we should now assume that there are significantly more case than being reported. If this is so then why aren’t they fixing the testing to make it more accurate?

121113 ▶▶▶ Libertarianist, replying to JohnB, 7, #295 of 2397 🔗

Can’t make it more accurate. It tests for the presence of a segment of RNA, that’s all. If someone has DISEASE symptoms, and the PCR shows the presence of this segment of viral RNA, this CORRELATION can be usefully used to state that the patient likely has covid19. Other than that it is useless.

122414 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Libertarianist, 1, #296 of 2397 🔗

There are hundreds of diseases inside our bodies. Sheesh!

122416 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Libertarianist, 2, #297 of 2397 🔗

Some of them live outside the body and are running the government.

121043 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 25, #298 of 2397 🔗

Reading this makes me hopping mad!!!

The virus is all but over, “cases” have nothing to do with whether people have the virus or not and given that there is admittance that the tests have been flawed and seriously compromised, why in God’s name are the government still behaving like maroons?

Meanwhile back in Planet Earth; more and more people are dying from the effects of lockdown such as untreated illnesses, famine, malaria, domestic violence, etc; suffering from the effects of social distancing such as loneliness, losing hope and the will to live, greater mental health issues and suicide. Businesses and economies have been trashed and civil liberties and human rights have been thrown out of the nearest window all in the name of “safety.”

Part of me is beginning to despair that people will no longer wake up however perhaps this latest “initiative” is indicative of the government panicking and awareness that their day of reckoning is coming.

We can only hope.

121055 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Bart Simpson, 17, #299 of 2397 🔗

It’s got to be. The scientists advising the government will be intelligent enough to know that this recent increase in cases is an artefact of increased testing. I wonder if they told the government this but were ignored by the Cabinet in favour of knee-jerk restrictions as an attempt to save their political careers. We know Johnson went against scientific advice (on the record) to impose full lockdown, I wouldn’t be surprised if this were the same. It’s all about control now.

121067 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Poppy, 10, #300 of 2397 🔗

I think you’re right Poppy. The flaws in the testing have already been exposed as early as March/April when Tanzania showed how an animal and a fruit could test positive, that alone should have sent alarm bells indicating that they’re unreliable at best and at worst can inflate figures.

Not only is it about control but its the pathological desire to avoid admitting that they got this wrong from the word go.

121136 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #301 of 2397 🔗

Send them your pawpaws, your apples, your cabbages, and, in particular, your rotten tomatoes.

121143 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, 3, #302 of 2397 🔗

Yep. Didn’t someone use the testing kit on a grapefruit and it came back positive?

121150 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #303 of 2397 🔗

And the doctor who sent in 3 unused tests and they came back positive?

121191 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to bluemoon, 4, #304 of 2397 🔗

That’s even more bonkers!!!

121046 Eddy, replying to Eddy, 10, #305 of 2397 🔗

Planned all along. Curfews next.

121081 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Eddy, 12, #306 of 2397 🔗

You may well be right. I think the lockdown will be ramped up for the upcoming end of the furlough scheme and the civil unrest it will cause.

121147 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JohnB, 11, #307 of 2397 🔗

That might be true but I think it will be too late by then, no amount of lockdown will be able to contain a volcano that’s about to erupt.

122638 ▶▶▶▶ Marion, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #308 of 2397 🔗

There will be no volcano, nothing. Just a sad, depressing decline with all the sheeple (80%of the population) doing exactly nothing except what this government tells them. Have you counted how many wear masks in shops as opposed to those that don’t? I have, and it’s the majority…and then there are those idiots who wear them outside and in their cars. There is no hope of an up rising, end of furlough or no.

121047 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 9, #309 of 2397 🔗

I just discovered that you can rate the UK Government on Trust-pilot. This is what I wrote:

Covid madness Should be zero stars. This Government’s handling of the Covid outbreak has been catastrophic and the latest insanity from Matt Hancock is off the scale.

More people are dying in car accidents than are due to Covid. The number of people who have died due to lockdown (due eg to suspension of normal health care, cancer diagnosis and treatment etc). is far greater than those who have died from Covid. Where are our MPs?

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.hpa.org.uk

121077 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basileus, -5, #310 of 2397 🔗

Waste of time.

121082 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to JohnB, 3, #311 of 2397 🔗

… and your plan is?

121085 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basileus, -3, #312 of 2397 🔗

Not to waste my time filling in a meaningless Trustpilot survey.

121152 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to JohnB, 2, #313 of 2397 🔗

… and to do what? ‘All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing’. Edmund Burke

121156 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basileus, #314 of 2397 🔗

What’s it going to achieve though?

121222 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to JohnB, 5, #315 of 2397 🔗

It lodges a tiny line of text in a public place where someone, with legitimate concern might read it and learn there are others out there. It’s much better doing something than nothing. Not everyone can put up posters or go door to door.

The more tiny lines of text spread around the better. You could write an invitation to LS. Nano effort for possible gain.

121133 ▶▶ annie, replying to Basileus, 5, #316 of 2397 🔗

I was extremely rude. And I said I didn’t mind the govt knowing what I said.

121048 Nic, replying to Nic, 7, #317 of 2397 🔗

Brazil and usa infections and deaths have dramatically slowed, looks like they are nearing the 20% infection rate needed for herd immunity.

121053 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Nic, 3, #318 of 2397 🔗

These countries are pushing the global figure down, too

121049 Mark, replying to Mark, 12, #319 of 2397 🔗

“I embarked on a seven-minute rant. Poor Dan could barely get a word in. Not for the faint-hearted.”

As I’ve noted before, one man’s rant is another’s impassioned and powerful argument.

Good stuff, I thought.

Allison Pearson Let’s Hancock Have It
The subeditor who let that grocer’s apostrophe through needs a bit of ranting at, though…

121075 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Mark, #320 of 2397 🔗

Let’s is an abbreviation for Let Us, it is not correct as there should be no apostrophe as she does no mean ‘Let Us’, but I think the greengrocer’s apostrophe is the incorrect use when indicating a plural, as in potatoe’s. Correct me if I’m wrong.

121094 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Basileus, 1, #321 of 2397 🔗

No you’re probably correct. It’s the inevitable curse of the pedant in action.

121155 ▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Mark, #322 of 2397 🔗

Think yourself lucky that you don’t have to live with the curse.

121050 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 17, #323 of 2397 🔗

Hapless Hancock makes statement on testing;
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-health-secretary-blames-people-with-no-symptoms-getting-tests-on-system-strain-12067065
So the message is clear as we have long said;
SAVE THE COUNTRY _ DO NOT GET TESTED

121062 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #324 of 2397 🔗

There is a government report relating to this.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/sars-cov-2-rna-testing-assurance-of-positive-results-during-periods-of-low-prevalence/assurance-of-sars-cov-2-rna-positive-results-during-periods-of-low-prevalence

Key point.

Positive test results at the limit of detection that occur early in the cycle of infection are important as these represent individuals who may go on to transmit infection. Positive test results at the limit of detection that occur late in the cycle of infection represent individuals with a low or very low risk of transmission, as a result of the decline in infectious virus production or remnants of viral RNA in respiratory secretions.

See the diagram. Figure 1 – Timeline of detection of SARS-CoV-2 RNA in infection

121350 ▶▶▶ Phoneutria, replying to Basileus, 1, #325 of 2397 🔗

That’s very nearly worthy of a place in the lockdownsceptics links. Why doesn’t someone show it to the useless gits in government, especially Hancock and Boris.

123115 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, #326 of 2397 🔗

It’s official. Yay!!

121054 Coronamoana, replying to Coronamoana, 112, #327 of 2397 🔗

I have always been a good, honest, decent British citizen. I have worked hard all my life, I have paid my way, taking no benefits but being totally self supporting. I have brought up my children to be the same: to show respect, to work hard, to be kind and decent and honest.

If you had told me this time last year that by September 2020, I would be classified as a criminal:

If I invited my sister, her partner and her two teenage children into my home for Sunday lunch;

If I invited my partner’s son, daughter-in-law and grandchildren into our home;

If I travelled on the train, tube, or bus without covering my nose and mouth and inhaling my own expelled air;

If I held my monthly book club in my home so that a bunch of law-abiding, middle-aged women could discuss a trivial novel over a glass of prosecco,

I would not have believed you.

If you had told me I would not be able to do any of the activities that give meaning, stimulation and inspiration to my life – social dancing, theatre, holidays, art galleries, social gatherings, et cetera – I would not have believed you.

If you had told me my partner would be called ‘bad grandpa’ by his four-year-old granddaughter for responding to a hug from her two-year-old sister, I would not have believed you.

If you had told me that a friend would say they hoped I would refuse medical help if I got ill, not because of my actions, but because asking questions, I would not have believed you.

If you had told me that as a healthy 58-year-old woman with a passion for life, I would go to bed on the night of 8th September 2020 hoping that I would not wake up in the morning…

121083 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Coronamoana, 41, #328 of 2397 🔗

I’m 56 and I how you feel. I am not a suicidal person but I feel all the joy is being sucked out of life for no good reason.

121120 ▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 23, #329 of 2397 🔗

All the sunshine has been taken away, but the clouds will pass, never give up hope. The human spirit can be crushed but never destroyed.

Or if your response to that is (vomit emoji)

Never surrender, these colours don’t run

121577 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 17, #330 of 2397 🔗

Yes, I am 55, was about to start a new business as the next exciting chapter of life, now on hold and all the simple pleasures of living are removed or are such an unpleasant experience are to be avoided. I have spent 30 years previously living in different, what would be called authoritarian, Middle East countries, including Iraq in the 80s on the cusp of the Gulf war, and never feared the police as I do my own police now. Fear is probably too strong a word, at the moment, maybe unease is better, as they appear to be allowed to make up the rules as they go along e.g. their selective focus on demos, and so are quite unpredictable.

122257 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Nsklent, 2, #331 of 2397 🔗

Ditto, your life sounds like mine.

123197 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #332 of 2397 🔗

Where were you and in what capacity, if you care to divulge. I am quite amazed since living in a sleepy Suffolk village, how many real old expats are out there, relatively local . Before this nonsense I was intending to have a large pig roast party for all local expat, knowing how we like daft, wild parties. A good its a knockout was intended after a few jars consumed, bruises and headaches as badge of honour the next morning, headaches being from the alcohol of course.

121727 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #333 of 2397 🔗

The joy is (or isn’t) in our response to life, not in life itself AWD.

There is no good reason, so I wouldn’t waste effort getting your head round that. There is an evil reason – tyranny.

121117 ▶▶ annie, replying to Coronamoana, 36, #334 of 2397 🔗

Keep your passion for life. The one thing that can defeat you is despair.
If the outrages you’ve listed did not make you angry, then you would be lost.
Stay angry, stay human.

121126 ▶▶ Ian, replying to Coronamoana, 14, #335 of 2397 🔗

This is so powerful.

121262 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Coronamoana, 20, #336 of 2397 🔗

I, too, feel empty of everything but despair. My daughter in law has rheumatoid arthritis and is so paranoid that we have to be overly cautious when we see the grandchildren. What is worse is that she’s a paediatric consultant in a major hospital. I’m not the most sociable of people, but I was in control of what I did. That has gone now. We as individuals have lost our autonomy as sentient human beings. I am a person not a number (despite my screen name!).

122284 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Coronamoana, 7, #337 of 2397 🔗

The four-year-old granddaughter was probably told how to say ‘bad grandpa’ at a nursery by a schoolteacher.

122948 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to richard riewer, 5, #338 of 2397 🔗

There are some vile individuals out there

122596 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Coronamoana, 6, #339 of 2397 🔗

You must wake up in the morning and fight. Fight

123231 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Coronamoana, 1, #340 of 2397 🔗

If that is how you feel you have to fight back

121058 Mark, 42, #341 of 2397 🔗

People are pointing out that this is “unenforceable”, which is true, but what that means in practice is that a lot of people will obey it and be miserable, others won’t, creating more division and hostility, and a few people will be unlucky and be “made an example of”,

Overall, the police and law in general will be brought further into disrepute, and there will be increased division, hostility and violence in society.

Imposing unenforceable laws is bad governance.

Pointing this out during the process of considering and passing laws should be one of the functions of Parliament, which role has currently been abdicated by our MPs basically out of fear. They should be ashamed, and they should be stripped of their positions. The legitimate way to do that is to vote them out at the next election. All of them.

Never forget. Never forgive.

121064 matt, replying to matt, 19, #342 of 2397 🔗

What does “good” look like?

I work in the services sector and I’m regularly involved in drafting and negotiating contracts that define what a specific service is supposed to look like.

Generally speaking, the contract will say 1) what are we supposed to be doing?; 2) what does it look like when we do a good job?; and 3) what is the penalty if we get it wrong?

Most of the effort in the negotiation goes into that second part and you can end up having some quite bruising conversations trying to make sure that the client’s expectations are sensible and that what you are expected to achieve is realistically achievable. Most clients want the earth, but aren’t even prepared to pay for the moon.

After the contract is signed and you then start delivering the service, you have to keep returning to that contract and often you have to remind the customer what you actually agreed. It all sounds a bit officious, but it’s more than possible to do it and have a friendly relationship with the customer.

It strikes me that a big part of the current problem is that the government missed their chance to define what “good” looks like. They tried a couple of times, when they told us at the beginning that we were protecting NHS capacity and then again when they defined their 5 tests, but they failed to have the strength to stop the media from bouncing them into needing to do more. It’s hard to argue that they even tried to stand up to that pressure. We now seem to have drifted into a place where “good” is the government making sure that nobody ever catches or dies of the covids, ever.

The problem is that, in my experience, once you allow the customer to redefine the parameters, you can very rarely go back and you’re doomed to put ever increasing amounts of money and effort into chasing an impossible goal. Meanwhile, the customer gets more and more irritated that you can’t do what they’re expecting.

I don’t have any suggestions of a way out. If this was a service that came under my responsibility, I’d be searching the contract for an exit clause.

121125 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to matt, 3, #343 of 2397 🔗

Excellent analogy!

121069 Antonedes, 13, #344 of 2397 🔗

This government has not emanated a flicker of competence in anything it has touched.

121070 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 9, #345 of 2397 🔗

I bet the increase in positives has come from testing companies upping their cycles to try and keep this thing going. They are in line for some hefty bonuses

122597 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to steve_w, 2, #346 of 2397 🔗

With your money.

121076 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 13, #347 of 2397 🔗

As someone in Australia mentioned, we probably need a new anti-lockdown political party. This isn’t over when its over. There will always be the next pathogen to panic over. We need clear rules about the limits of government power – whatever the ’emergency’

121089 ▶▶ Mark, replying to steve_w, 8, #348 of 2397 🔗

Exactly. For two reasons. First to punish the lot in power and make sure it never happens again. Second to ensure the collaborationist “opposition” parties don’t benefit inappropriately from the disastrous failure of policies they fully supported.

121093 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Mark, 7, #349 of 2397 🔗

I agree. With the entire political establishment taking the same line, if we don’t have an opposition we need to invent one

121371 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mark, 5, #350 of 2397 🔗

And they should be reminded all day every day of them being collaborators and even wanting to go further and even more extreme.

As another one here said; never forgive, never forget.

122620 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mark, 1, #351 of 2397 🔗

Damn right. Hades for all of them.

122604 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to steve_w, 1, #352 of 2397 🔗

That’s what Yogi Berra said: “It ain’t over til it’s over”. Right up there with Kant and Socrates.

121079 NappyFace, 4, #353 of 2397 🔗

We must not question this latest decree. Rather we should be grateful for the opportunity to comply with our wealthy masters’ wishes.
Compliance is freedom.

121087 Achilles heel, replying to Achilles heel, 4, #354 of 2397 🔗

For once the BBC seem to have a counter article which totally refutes this ridiculous worry about rising positive cases and is reasonably sensible…how is the government not thinking about this in a pragmatic way…?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54064347

121090 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Achilles heel, 2, #355 of 2397 🔗

Nick Triggle has been good generally since he beginning. He wrote an early article titled ‘why things arent as bad as they look’. About 15 minutes after publication on the BBC website it had been ‘disappeared’. I managed to find it in the depths of the website through a search with terms I remembered from the article. The headline had been change to ‘what we know now’.

121121 ▶▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to steve_w, 2, #356 of 2397 🔗

I too remember thinking it had been ‘disappeared’ but I think it was just normal cycling of news items off their home page.
Handy site if you want to check for censorship shenanigans:
https://archive.org/web/web.php
It stores frequent snapshots of the internet.

121163 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Andy Riley, 4, #357 of 2397 🔗

It was cycled very quickly for one of the best and most level-headed articles the bbc has produced in 6 months!

123242 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Achilles heel, #358 of 2397 🔗

They should have printed articles like this five months ago.

121088 AN other lockdown sceptic, #359 of 2397 🔗

RIDING THE DRAGON: The Bidens’ Chinese Secrets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRmlcEBAiIs&pp=QAA%3D

121097 Ian, 3, #360 of 2397 🔗

I despair but fear worse is to come. I think that mandatory masks in outdoor areas, a la large parts of the continent and the US is next.

121100 Caroline Watson, replying to Caroline Watson, 21, #361 of 2397 🔗

The time has come to go beyond mediums such as this page; life-saving as it is, and develop a comprehensive strategy for getting this stuff overturned that is untainted by conspiracy theorists. If you read the comments on local news sites, you will see that there are plenty of ordinary people; predominantly, I think, working class men, who have no time for any of this nonsense. They have been working throughout, in power stations and sewerage works, food factories and distribution and as mechanics, plumbers and farmers, and they don’t know anyone who has been seriously ill. They are a huge untapped reservoir of support but the Piers Corbyns and David Ickes put them off.
They are the people, particularly in the North, who voted Tory in December, because they thought Boris had some balls. They are sadly disappointed. That message needs to get through to backbench Tory MPs. I have written to mine as, no doubt, have many here, but we need an organised lobbying campaign.
I also wonder whether excellent papers such as the one attached, by relevant professionals and academics, are getting through to the people who matter. I appreciate that Tory MPs will read the Telegraph and the Spectator, to see what ‘their’ people are thinking, but are they being specifically targeted? Do we know who the sympathetic ones are? Nick Gibb, for example, an old College friend, stood firm on facemasks in schools but was apparently overruled. Has he been approached? And his brother, Robbie?
The time for talking amongst ourselves is past and we cannot leave protest in the hands of conspiracy theorists, as it totally undermines its credibility.

121118 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Caroline Watson, 8, #362 of 2397 🔗

I have written to a few MPs who’ve expressed snippets of scepticism, but few have answered. That doesn’t of course mean they didn’t read them. I think it is worth writing to MPs to remind them people are watching. Some think it’s a waste of time.

I think we need a well-funded single issue “back to normal” political party which would start a professionally-run media campaign to get our side of the argument out there, backed by some accurate surveys of the different strands of opinion so we know who are various target audiences are. Someone with money and contacts would hopefully be able to round up enough people to get it going, and it could be part crowd funded, but it would be expensive because we’re up against the government and the BBC with unlimited funds and power.

As for “conspiracy theorists” I tend to think we should stick to the core argument that lockdown is doing more harm than good, without needing to get into motivation. But I would equally try not to alienate “conspiracy theorists” by calling them that. A lot of what is labelled conspiracy is quite plausible, I just don’t think we need to go there.

121151 ▶▶ Seansaighdeoir, replying to Caroline Watson, 7, #363 of 2397 🔗

Those working people are also the ones who get their news from GMTV, ITV, Sky and the BBC. Their wives are also absorbed into the tv and if they don’t work daytime tv which are relentless in the propaganda. These people particularly the wives will believe everything the media tells them because they are the main target of the brainwashing agenda.

That agenda could also arguably be called a ‘conspiracy theory’ because the meme of a deadly killer virus stalking the land laying waste is simply not borne out by the evidence. That meme is kept up by the pejorative ‘conspiracy theorist’ being used against anyone who questions it.

It doesn’t help with people using the same pejorative against people trying to see the bigger picture. That is a reasonable position to try to make sense of all this. This fight is an information war so to alienate those who may share your view is not wise. Having said I was at the Trafalgar rally and Piers Corbyn was good but it was disappointing to see David Icke there because I believe he is a disinfo merchant.

122165 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Caroline Watson, 2, #364 of 2397 🔗

Great post Caroline .I think we have a lot more support than people on here realise .I would say there is a massive untapped reservoir out there especially amongst the working classes.That most people don’t have a party or a strong mainstream movement against the lockdown to turn to just makes it seem invisible ,but its there and all we need is a party to fill the vacuum .

122631 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #365 of 2397 🔗

PM Boris is just following orders. Or else. They must have some dirt on him that makes him reluctant to switch to the side of the people. Us. Either that or he was a two-faced liar and fooled everybody.

123152 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, #366 of 2397 🔗

Well he’s definitely a two-faced liar but it’s clear someone his also pulling his strings.

123176 ▶▶ Hampshire Sceptic, replying to Caroline Watson, #367 of 2397 🔗

I’ve tried writing to my Tory MP. Waste of time. He’s a new boy first elected last December and has all the makings of a future Matt Hancock. Clearly does not want to rock the boat so that he can become a PPS and then Parliamentary Under Secretary for Paper Clips.

121101 Fiat, replying to Fiat, 10, #368 of 2397 🔗

I am a Christian. I’ve never felt so much visceral anger before. Am I lost?

121111 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Fiat, 6, #369 of 2397 🔗

Don’t you have the concept of righteous anger?

121112 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fiat, 12, #370 of 2397 🔗

I’m one too, and I feel just as you do.
There is such a thing as righteous anger. Witness Jesus in the Temple.
I don’t think we are lost. Not to God. Not ever.
Pray that we be delivered from evil.

121116 ▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to annie, 3, #371 of 2397 🔗

Thanks, Annie

122634 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, 1, #372 of 2397 🔗

Special Delivery.

121168 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to Fiat, 4, #373 of 2397 🔗

Me too. I was hopping mad this morning.

Rise up, O Church of God!
Have done with lesser things;
Give heart and mind and soul and strength
To serve the King of kings.

Rise up, O Church of God!
His kingdom tarries long;
Bring in the day of brotherhood
And end the night of wrong.

121179 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Fiat, 9, #374 of 2397 🔗

I’m not religious, don’t have time for it. But I am human, just as you are, and what you are feeling is completely understandable, and completely human. Your anger is your antibody to this attack on your humanity.

121215 ▶▶▶ Fiat, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #375 of 2397 🔗

Thanks Sam. The kindness of strangers.

121186 ▶▶ up north, replying to Fiat, 1, #376 of 2397 🔗

Hear hear

121219 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to Fiat, 7, #377 of 2397 🔗

I am a Christian too and I am angry. As others have said there is such a thing as righteous anger. The Bible acknowledges anger, “In your anger do not sin”: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry,…” (Ephesians 4:26).

Fittingly, given what Basileus posted below, I wrote a brief blog about this all this morning:

https://kvnmoore561.wordpress.com/2020/09/09/hamilton-rise-up/

121423 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Moomin, 9, #378 of 2397 🔗

I lie awake at night until 3 in the morning fuming with anger, my hear racing, sweating, I sleep fitfully, when I wake up I am dreaming about the comments on here, making them up in my head and they scare me silly. I wake up properly, heart racing, sweating, fuming with rage. Every bastard day!

I am hallucinating face-nappies on people everywhere, when I see people in face-nappies it’s like a rush of cold shit across my heart.

I haven’t been into town since face nappy day, I haven’t seem any more than one of my friends since March. I haven’t talked to anybody at all really since March, including my family.

For goodness sake when will these evil idiots take the jack-boot of our necks.

121716 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Moomin, 2, #379 of 2397 🔗

Read the blog – great.

121242 ▶▶ James007, replying to Fiat, 10, #380 of 2397 🔗

For me that hardest thing is having anger but to have no outlet for it. I feel completely powerless to stop this madness! Any day now the Church of England will come out in full support of this policy, tacitly endorsing the idea that church attendance is not in any way important, and is in fact dangerous.

121253 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to James007, 8, #381 of 2397 🔗

My local church has a really depressing sign saying “Church is not a building” and an e-mail address for the vicar who, actually, is pretty useless anyway. He forgot the eulogy for my mum’s funeral and realised just as the hearse arrived. The Church of England have been disgraceful throughout.

121304 ▶▶▶▶ James007, replying to kh1485, 9, #382 of 2397 🔗

I’m really annoyed by the “church is not a building mantra” to the point of swearing.
WE KNOW! Church is a community, a “body”, or a “family”. The building is where the community happen to meet. If you shut it, and tell people to go away, the family cannot actually meet. (Yes the often cited examples in the NT they did meet in peoples houses, but it was generally the largest possible house or community space they could find).

I wonder if some vicars are actually stupid. Or at least not entirely understanding of what the closures have done, especially for those who are not of the facebook generation, of have special needs.

121312 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to James007, 4, #383 of 2397 🔗

I’m not religious but, on occasion, I have gone into the Church to get some peace and I find it scandalous that access to these beautiful buildings is being denied.

121335 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ James007, replying to kh1485, 8, #384 of 2397 🔗

Yes me too. Good point about buildings being a place of peace.
For centuries churches were considered “holy” which just means set apart for a sacred purpose. That’s why Jesus gets angry at the money changers in the temple. The people who say church is not a building (meaning dont worry that they are closed) dont seem to understand that having physical set-aside places of peace has always been necessary for humans throughout history, across many different religions and cultures. Taking that away is quite damaging in my view.

122637 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to James007, 1, #385 of 2397 🔗

Dangerous for The Global Reset.

121276 ▶▶ davews, replying to Fiat, 3, #386 of 2397 🔗

Same here, unfortunately I feel the church has abandoned me as a sceptic. I was slightly hopeful last night watching the welcome service for our new Methodist minister last night (live, but only 30 allowed in the building and no hymns). OK, the Chair of District in his sermon was very official line, clap the NHS etc, but he had lost his father to the disease. But when the new minister spoke he said his manse was open for all to visit and I sensed he was a bit more sceptical. Then all hope went with this morning’s announcement.

123155 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Fiat, #387 of 2397 🔗

No. You’re just experiencing a normal reaction to frustration and injustice.

121102 adele, replying to adele, 1, #388 of 2397 🔗

Seems 75% of the country still needs to wake up

121103 ▶▶ adele, replying to adele, #389 of 2397 🔗

2nd wavers

121109 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to adele, 1, #390 of 2397 🔗

That’s slightly better – only 73% are very worried or fairly worried.

I think these figures are not representative, but that might be wishful thinking.

121105 ▶▶ Julian, replying to adele, 1, #391 of 2397 🔗

Sadly more like 92%. Only 8% said “too seriously”. 5% said “don’t know” and 14% said “about right”.

122227 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to adele, 5, #392 of 2397 🔗

These online polls do not represent anything .They we’re wrong on brexit ,a second referendum and the last election. All they are is an indication that middle class nob heads have too much time on there hands.Go to the pub or knock on doors and we will get the true picture .I spoke to a woman today and with no prompting ,it was straight out Johnson is the worst prime minister we have ever had ,i’m not being locked down again and those masks are weird . This is what loads and loads of ordinary people feel .I’m a gardener and i’m conducting my own poll just by listening.

122269 ▶▶▶ adele, replying to wat tyler, 2, #393 of 2397 🔗

I obviously hope you are right. I might have to unsubscribe from their emails … they’re as bad as bbc news 😅

121106 p02099003, replying to p02099003, 2, #394 of 2397 🔗

Do we have the equivalent of the 25th amendment?

121138 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to p02099003, 3, #395 of 2397 🔗

Yes, the Privy Council is supposed to do this behind the scenes. Is this why HM is on her way back south three weeks early and is returning to Buck House in October?

121108 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #396 of 2397 🔗

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-health-secretary-blames-people-with-no-symptoms-getting-tests-on-system-strain-12067065

“The health secretary has appeared to blame people without coronavirus symptoms getting tested inappropriately for the system reaching its limit.

Matt Hancock told Sky News the reason many people have reported being unable to book a test is because the proportion of those asking for them who have no symptoms has risen to 25%.”

Blame game from hancock. What else can the reasonable person do but become inexpressibly angry. It’s reasonable as the clock in anotger u turn.

121127 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 6, #397 of 2397 🔗

Playing the blame game after using the slogan “Get a Test”.

121110 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 21, #398 of 2397 🔗

Eamonn Holmes gave the game away in the Denise Welch interview where he said they were not allowed to challenge the Covid narrative

121132 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to crimsonpirate, 5, #399 of 2397 🔗

And he should know after getting reprimanded for defending peoples right to question the COVID-19 narrative.

121140 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to JohnB, 2, #400 of 2397 🔗

wasn’t that about 5G?

121160 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #401 of 2397 🔗

It was regarding 5G, but it was mainly the point that people had the right to question things even if they were wrong in the eyes of the establishment.

121171 ▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to JohnB, 6, #402 of 2397 🔗

Thanks for that. Yes he was making the broader point of the right to question. Unbelievable to think he got into trouble for that. It appears that MP’s are not questioning this nonsense

121390 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to JohnB, 1, #403 of 2397 🔗

There was another comment a few days ago about not being able to talk bout certain things as there and been something from Government stopping them.

It was at the beginning of the Denice Welch interview.

I did read it at the time but it seems to have been hidden in the depths of the internet as I wanted to show the wife it last night and couldn’t.

If I find it again I will post it.

121536 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #404 of 2397 🔗

Wonder how many D notices have been issued over the last 6 months?

121114 Tyneside Tigress, 2, #405 of 2397 🔗

Apologies if already posted, but it could be the first 737-Max event:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8711611/AstraZenecas-COVID-19-vaccine-trials-hold-suspected-reaction.html

Reminder to anyone who has not yet done so, the consultation process ends next Friday, so please submit your thoughts on rolling out an unlicensed vaccine.

121115 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #406 of 2397 🔗

Letham St Annes school dishing out detentions for pupils who are resisting. Bricks in the wall education persists.

Well done pupils tgats what it feels like to be courageous. Learn from it.

https://www.lythamstannes.news/miscellaneous/school-hands-out-detentions-to-a-small-minority-who-purposefully-are-defiant-with-regard-to-wearing-face-coverings/

121131 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Basics, 2, #407 of 2397 🔗

Can someone give them the info on going properly and formally exempt?

121176 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Basics, 5, #408 of 2397 🔗

They should wear an armband with a yellow star. Maybe the teachers will then try and ban that but the point will be made.

122644 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to mhcp, #409 of 2397 🔗
121119 NigelN, replying to NigelN, #410 of 2397 🔗

Admittedly, daily deaths increased to 32 yesterday, up from a handful on Sunday and Monday. But that’s likely to be due to delayed reporting over the weekend rather than a rise in infections.

A quick look at https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths shows reality: 12 deaths reported so far for 7/09, 6 on 6/09, 10 on 5/09. Last time it was that high was 25/08.

121154 ▶▶ Will, replying to NigelN, 2, #411 of 2397 🔗

It is remarkably convenient….

121174 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Will, 8, #412 of 2397 🔗

They have bought themselves some more deaths in the system too – reports of an elderly man who died in January from CV after re-examining lung X-rays. So, a few more days of 30 or so deaths reassigned to earlier periods should keep the fear going!

121124 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 17, #413 of 2397 🔗

The Government’s latest announcement does not just affect family life, my wife plays in amateur music groups, folk orchestra etc. these were all making plans to get going again but will now be stopped in their tracks. Our village hall has just re-opened with coffee mornings, yoga etc. all of which now look like they will have to close down again. The Government’s callous disregard for family and community life is appalling, perhaps they do not know what community and family life is? or maybe they are keen to avoid their own family!

121164 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Steve Martindale, 15, #414 of 2397 🔗

They’ve all had whatever family events and activities they wanted to have – lockdown lifted to let ‘them’ have their overseas trips. Re-imposed once they were back, conveniently at a time when there were suggestions of all returning to the House! Boris and Hancock make my blood boil, but the rest of them don’t get a free pass on this. Perhaps David Davis, IDS and those with older children/grandchildren might want to reflect why they didn’t challenge this earlier.

121173 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Steve Martindale, 12, #415 of 2397 🔗

I have been wondering how the Covid restrictions impact on the people making them. Travelling on buses, doing a bit of shopping, attending yoga classes in village halls? I don’t see such activities playing being part of their daily routine. Just as being whisked away in a helicopter to stay in a spacious holiday let in the Highlands isn’t part of mine – sadly.

121192 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Steve Martindale, 17, #416 of 2397 🔗

It’s heartbreaking isn’t it? I have enjoyed reading the encouraging posts on this forum regarding unmasked faces in shops and pubs/cafes, but invariably these posts go on to suggest, ‘back to normal?’
And I always think, NO this is not normal. The huge number of small events and clubs and fund raising and hobby groups which stitch a community together are not meeting. People are not gathering in anything like ‘normal’ situations.
These absurd restrictions are not only putting people out of work, but they are destroying community life across the land.

121293 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #417 of 2397 🔗

I have a cunning plan just say if anybody asks that you are doing this… The regulations do not apply to schools, workplaces or Covid-secure weddings, funerals and organised team sports.

” I am off to work etc.. “

121653 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #418 of 2397 🔗

This crap affects some of the most life affirming, shared experiences.All manner of music in venues, am dram etc. all gone.Any sort of shared entertainment disappeared so fast it is shocking. These goons do not participate in these activities, it is of no import in their strange universe. But people have always found ways to create in adversity, to share musically and artistically and even if it is hard will continue to do so.

123174 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #419 of 2397 🔗

Oh I think they know exactly what they are doing. They are effectively destroying community and social structures.

121129 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 12, #420 of 2397 🔗

Toby – not a rant and definitely not unseemly. Beautifully and passionately spoken. As for the moron advocating lockdown still spring, He should be locked up – in a mental institution.

121170 ▶▶ Jenny, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #421 of 2397 🔗

Agree!

121130 Libertarianist, replying to Libertarianist, #422 of 2397 🔗

Does this mean I can’t go to a pub in England, after Monday?

121279 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to Libertarianist, 3, #423 of 2397 🔗

No , pubs are exempt..So are team sports for some reason..So OK to go to a full pub full of strangers, Against the law if you have your grandma over to your house you scumbag  …This is now full on 1984.

121299 ▶▶ muzzle, replying to Libertarianist, 1, #424 of 2397 🔗

Would you want to go to the pub now that track and trace is mandatory?

123179 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to muzzle, #425 of 2397 🔗

Give fake data. I do.

121135 Charlie Blue, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #426 of 2397 🔗

Julia HB sticking it to MH on talk radio.

121159 ▶▶ hotrod, replying to Charlie Blue, #427 of 2397 🔗

Can you please summarise or provide a link?

121529 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Charlie Blue, 5, #429 of 2397 🔗

Fuck me, I thought he was bad but he is beyond that. Denying that the virus pattern is basically the same regardless of measures. He called it a lie! Quoting the X Files – ‘The truth is out there’

121139 Caramel, 4, #430 of 2397 🔗

Toby, thank you for drawing attention to what’s happening here in Victoria.

Tomas Pueyo infuriates me. His terrible article is what influenced the public and policy.

121144 Mibi, replying to Mibi, 9, #431 of 2397 🔗

Time to wake up, everybody. This isn’t about the virus – it’s about control, control, control.

121162 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Mibi, 5, #432 of 2397 🔗

I think everyone knows that on here, you’re preaching to the converted!

121211 ▶▶▶ Mibi, replying to JohnB, 1, #433 of 2397 🔗

What I’m trying to say is that there’s no reasoning with the government … I don’t think Boris is panicking, he’s just following The Plan.

121146 Liam, 4, #434 of 2397 🔗

The article in the round up claiming the Sturgis motorcycle rally was a super-duper-mega-spreader of DEATH! is a flat out pack of lies. “Cases” are miniscule and there were five times as many deaths from fatal crashes as there have been subsequently “with” Covid (five killed by crashes at the rally, one subsequent death of an attendee). And total subsequent positive cases? 222. Not the entirely fictitious 267,000 figure quoted.The lying is just off the scale. See below for the real figures.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2020/09/01/oh-the-horror-sturgis-motorcycle-rally-covid-19-numbers-are-in-and-they-are-shocking-n870757

121148 Will, 3, #435 of 2397 🔗

How long before prof Heneghan finds out the retesting continues to count false positives as cases and counts double positives twice…

121157 tonys, replying to tonys, 27, #436 of 2397 🔗

Watched a clip on the BBC earlier of a pilot throwing a non mask wearer off a plane despite his pleas that he was exempt, his humiliation was compounded by the cheer that went up from the other passengers when he was finally removed. This clip of the awful degradation of a disabled man was followed not By outrage, but by the presenters smirking. Dan Walker and Louise Minchin find someone with a disability being abused quite funny, the BBC’s wokeness obviously has limits.

121169 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to tonys, 5, #437 of 2397 🔗

But then as soon as someone has to eat or drink on that plane they have to take their mask off.

121175 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to JohnB, 13, #438 of 2397 🔗

The virus is aware of that and holds a truce when passengers are eating.

121185 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #439 of 2397 🔗

It’s such a clever and sneaky virus.

121210 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mibi, replying to JohnB, #440 of 2397 🔗

.

121172 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to tonys, 7, #441 of 2397 🔗

We once burnt witches, no different really

121247 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to tonys, 1, #442 of 2397 🔗

Its not that their wokeness has limits – this is what wokeness is all about.

121254 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to tonys, 1, #443 of 2397 🔗

He should sue.

121311 ▶▶ Norma McNormalface, replying to tonys, 2, #444 of 2397 🔗

I cried when I saw it. First time I’ve cried since this thing started.

121161 LEWIS, replying to LEWIS, 4, #446 of 2397 🔗

I struggle to see the point of a curfew. If you want people to distance. Surely you want to spread out the time people are able to be out not contract it?

121250 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to LEWIS, 4, #447 of 2397 🔗

The virus comes out at night. Like the bats it came from. That’s the only rational explanation.

121258 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to LEWIS, 4, #448 of 2397 🔗

It has nothing to do with protecting people from a virus.

121165 Stephen, 3, #449 of 2397 🔗

Anyone seen this terrifying story? An asthmatic man bullied by the pilot into wearing a mask on an Easyjet flight and hyperventilating during the flight.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54075771

121166 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 7, #450 of 2397 🔗

Ok – I’m just asking a question as I can’t logically work out how the government morons are going to react.

The Oxford vaccine needs tidying up. It’s trying to kill people too obviously, and is on hold. Probably for ever.

The question is: ‘With waiting for the vaccine now being a pipe dream, will they have to go for herd immunity? If it’s the only solution they may as well release us and gear up for a bit of a spike in admissions. Or will they go for the worst of both worlds and close up, cripple the economy finally without any lasting benefit? I suspect the latter as they have bunkers. They will need them. They can’t stay in them forever though, even Hitler couldn’t.

I’m going to crowdfund a couple of Jerry cans of petrol.

121182 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to James Leary #KBF, 8, #451 of 2397 🔗

Herd immunity via the backdoor is already in progress, that is why we have been told to wear masks in shops. Just watch people whilst wearing them, constantly touching or moving the mask spreading the germs to their fingers, then when they get out the shop they remove the mask which is virtually impossible to without touching the face, or they pull the mask down under the nose or below the chin thus contaminating the skin. Then you have carrying the dirty mask in pocket, taking it out again, spreading to fingers and face. I’ve even seen people drop them in the street and on shop floors and then put them on, and then you also have people using the same dirty mask over and over again.

121199 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to JohnB, 4, #452 of 2397 🔗

Yup. Disgusting, filthy things – as I tell anybody who asks why I’m not wearing one.

121189 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #453 of 2397 🔗

According to hancock on the Today Programme the suspension of the Oxford vaccine Programme is routine, will only last a day or do and has already happened before.

Let’s hold him to that shall we.

121200 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to karenovirus, #454 of 2397 🔗

Nothing is ‘routine’. It’s a ‘novel’ virus. It’s in the name.

121245 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to karenovirus, 3, #455 of 2397 🔗

There is no way he can say that with any authority. It’s transverse myelitis. It can be associated with the coronavirus or it could be associated with the adenovirus viral vector they are using. It will take more than a day or two to work out which I suspect.

121190 ▶▶ Will, replying to James Leary #KBF, 6, #456 of 2397 🔗

We have reached herd immunity. The disease is steadily dying out. A few blips are to be expected.

121204 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Will, #457 of 2397 🔗

If they try hard enough.

121214 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to James Leary #KBF, 3, #458 of 2397 🔗

Indeed, it occured to me in one of my wild thought moments, instead of any restrictions, why do we not advise the vulnerable to shield themselves and then the whole of the rest of country could go on a 2 week Coronavirus party and try and spread this virus as much as possible. A bit like the old chicken pox parties they had for children to get the thing over and done with.

121167 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 3, #459 of 2397 🔗

maybe the govt with this new 6 person limit will sort out the testing nonsense, limit cycles, double counting and false positives, move to concentrating on hospital admissions and then declare a great victory and back to normal by tea-time!

121187 ▶▶ Will, replying to steve_w, #460 of 2397 🔗

If they had a braincell between them they would.

121212 ▶▶ Fiat, replying to steve_w, 3, #461 of 2397 🔗

And then we woke up

122498 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to steve_w, #462 of 2397 🔗

And pigs will fly.

121177 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 5, #463 of 2397 🔗

08.20 BBC R4 Today.
Hancock tells us the reason Covid testing is in array is because too many people who are not entitled to a test are getting them and causing shortages.

“The average distance people need to travel for a test is 10 miles “. Tell that to the Plymouth couple told to go to Aberdeen.

” I have even heard of people going on holiday expecting to have a test, this is Completely Unacceptable “.

So there you go, it’s all our fault again.

Really hancock ?
1) Testing stations have Security who could easily prevent entry to those without a pass from the NHS or Local Authorities.
2) hardly anybody bothers to go to my local testing station unless circumstances oblige them to, other posters @LS report the same.
3) you contradict the head of Testing who yesterday apologised to those unable to get test and blamed it on a shortage of lab facilities.

121184 ▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 12, #464 of 2397 🔗

Handcock telling people they really shouldn’t bother getting tested is the first sensible thing he has ever said.

121205 ▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to Will, 4, #465 of 2397 🔗

Isn’t the question why they felt they needed a test?

121246 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to karenovirus, 5, #466 of 2397 🔗

Let’s get tested and get back to what we love… I saw this poster yesterday and thought,no because the Govt will use this as an excuse to lockdown again

122519 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #467 of 2397 🔗

Yes, I still read that some people from govt, even Boris, says lets get mass testing done to eliminate the virus. I do not pay attention to MSM, so not sure who said this. So again they contradict each other.
Anyway, I do not understand how mass testing would work and how it eliminates the virus. Like the idea of an HIV charity who suggested at the beginning of lockdown that this is the chance to stop the spread. Haha!

121360 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to karenovirus, 7, #468 of 2397 🔗

I thought we were all supposed to be getting tested all the time as our public duty? So he tells people to do it, they do it and now it’s all their fault for doing it?

WHAT DOES HE WANT FROM US!!!

122439 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #469 of 2397 🔗

I received an email from PHE this afternoon, while Boris was on the box. It said, in passing,

There are now multiple outlets to request a Covid 19 test kits including through Saving Lives, so if you are experiencing symptoms like fever, cough, loss of smell or loss of taste or simply want to get tested , please complete the relevant sections of the symptoms questionnaire and we will send you an email with the information.

(my emphasis). No comment necessary.

123191 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A. Contrarian, #470 of 2397 🔗

Confusion. It’s working too.

122506 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to karenovirus, 2, #471 of 2397 🔗

BBC 6pm news showed a lady who apparently “experiences symptoms” and she has tried all day to get a test. She looks and sounds very well to me and I would put her in the lot that Hancock is angry with.

123245 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Silke David, #472 of 2397 🔗

The hypochondriacs are loving this.

121183 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #473 of 2397 🔗

Save the NHS – from ever doing any work.

Get a zoom call from a doctor: “you seem fine from where I’m sitting. If you die just think how much money you’ll Save the NHS”

121188 petgor, replying to petgor, 9, #474 of 2397 🔗

At last, I now know for sure that this country is finished. Brexit will be pointless and Hancock must be sacked. Though, if the latter happens, it will make little difference to my first two statements.

121206 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to petgor, 11, #475 of 2397 🔗

Brexit is irrelevant now anyway. All the talk was of Brexit affecting the economy, but the effect that Brexit was supposed to have on the economy now pales into insignificance compared to the COVID-19 destruction of the economy.

121217 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to JohnB, 5, #476 of 2397 🔗

I’ve been saying for four years, now, that what you voted in the referendum no longer matters. What it was *about* no longer matters. All that matters is that the government ignored the result. But this shitshow beats all comers.

121240 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to JohnB, 2, #477 of 2397 🔗

Brexit – is that still a thing?

121252 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to steve_w, 2, #478 of 2397 🔗

Seems so 2016 now.

121216 ▶▶ Mibi, replying to petgor, 1, #479 of 2397 🔗

ditto

121193 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 20, #480 of 2397 🔗

They are pumping out the covid propaganda in order to get the legislation through at the end of the month. That will add at least two more years to the dictatorship

The dictator does not want the millions of people who are going to lose their jobs in October and November to meet in groups of more than six. The dictator wants them to stay at home and accept their fate

New ‘laws’ will then be added by means of statutory instrument

Want a new law demanding the sacrifice of the first born in every household? Not a problem, Handy Cock will write one up for you

There are many of us. There are few of them

123308 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Cecil B, #481 of 2397 🔗

Time to revolt.

121194 Victoria, 12, #482 of 2397 🔗

I have more chance of marrying Brad Pitt than you have of dying from COVID-19.

Go Allison!! [Big smile]

121195 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 1, #483 of 2397 🔗

Does anybody here have any ties to the politicians and scientists? What do they really think of it?

121241 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Caramel, 5, #484 of 2397 🔗

Depends which scientists. They are like other people – some are total coronabelievers, and others are total sceptics like us and I suspect the majority somewhere in the middle …going along with the narrative even though they know it’s a lot of BS as they are afraid, for various reasons, of sticking their head above the parapet when their reputations and livelihoods could be at stake. The one on SAGE I know is, I suspect, in this last bucket.

121196 petgor, 1, #485 of 2397 🔗

The government has sown the wind, we taxpayers will reap the whirlwind.

121202 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #486 of 2397 🔗

Daniel Andrews. A chilling man.

“My concern is to defeat this second wave, find a Covid-normal and lock it in until a vaccine arrives”.

The 10 second clip
https://twitter.com/YellowCube7/status/1303262264061952000?s=20

Victoria is in big, big trouble with him in power. I expect to see hunger games style gatherings broken up by peace keepers before he is done.

This generation of 50 something leaders have no ability to climb down. Each has a psychotic make-up that has trapped themselvess where it seems only their removal will bring back life to others.

121224 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Basics, 3, #487 of 2397 🔗

His star is dimming though he is still very popular. People are not happy with the latest roadmap and finding out that the curfew was not recommended by the CHO though I don’t know what they were expecting. I don’t think that much will happen, the protest arrests were scary and the public has been terrorised. They also see the UK as disaster zone, on par with Wuhan and Northern Italy.

He was like Australia’s Ms Jacinda, this likeable leader who seemed to care. I had liked him before all this but he scares me. The power has gone to his head. The other Premiers are barely any better and closed their borders to us. NZ closed borders to us. The PM is even more weak than Boris.

123310 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Caramel, 1, #488 of 2397 🔗

He is popular with who? Morons?

121203 Fiat, 3, #489 of 2397 🔗

LS name-checked with link on the Watts Up With That climate skeptics site hosted by Anthony Watts.

121207 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #490 of 2397 🔗

“Unfortunately we have seen this quite sharp rise in the last couple of weeks of people without symptoms who don’t have a good reason coming forward and getting a test,” he said, saying 25% of people who were getting a coronavirus test were not eligible.

Let’s get tested and get back to what we love…

121218 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #491 of 2397 🔗

In a sane world it would follow that symptoms would be required for a positive test to be counted as a case. Playing both ends to the middle as usual. .

121236 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #492 of 2397 🔗

the bbc has wilfully confused dying ‘with’ and ‘of’, tests for whether you’ve had the virus or have the virus and now tests and cases.

121223 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 1, #493 of 2397 🔗

Does the more than six rule, apply to planes, trains, and buses?

121233 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cecil B, 5, #494 of 2397 🔗

Only if you know the other 5.

121237 ▶▶▶ Andrew, replying to Charlie Blue, 2, #495 of 2397 🔗

How well do you have to know them?

121243 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #496 of 2397 🔗

Don’t understand your response. If more than 6 people gather on a plane is it illegal?

I ask because it appears the legislation bans all forms of transport for leisure purposes where more than 6 people are involved

121295 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Cecil B, 1, #497 of 2397 🔗

Presumably people on a plane won’t be considered a “social gathering”, at least if they are just there for the purpose of travelling.

121333 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Cecil B, 4, #498 of 2397 🔗

I’m only guessing here because I don’t have the mind of a power-crazed, irrational sadist, but I think it’s about the size of parties travelling together. You could book flights or train tickets for a group of six, but no more. If more than six of us have planned to travel together, then the virus will have been eavesdropping, but it won’t think to turn up on a train or plane otherwise?

121792 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cecil B, 3, #499 of 2397 🔗

The virus is exceptionally clever, can distinguish between a house and a train carriage

121225 Andrew, 1, #500 of 2397 🔗

Planned all along. 09.09 today it’s all in the numbers. Full lockdown and curfews 10.10?

121227 tonyspurs, replying to tonyspurs, 7, #501 of 2397 🔗

The general public at their very best …what a spiteful nation we’ve become haranguing a asthmatic man
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54075771

121310 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to tonyspurs, 9, #502 of 2397 🔗

Kill the Jew…I mean the mask-denier (real term being used on the internet) We all allowed it to happen and now we have it..Full on mob rule, shaming people not wearing mask, calling them names, humiliating them in public, throwing them off planes, calling the police on them. If anybody ever asks how could people in Germany allow Nazis to take power I will fucking punch them in the face…We are there and if tomorrow they tell them that anybody who does not wear A MASK OR 100% COMPLIES NEEDS TO GO TO CAMP ( HELLO NEW ZEALAND) THEY WILL DRAG US OUT OF OUR HOUSES THEMSELVES!!

121349 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Thomas_E, 7, #503 of 2397 🔗

Is it a coincidence that in the Third Reich the Jews and other targets were portrayed as an infection to be eradicated, and that a Nazi meme was the ‘healthy society’? Gradually the real psychological and social infection spread as propaganda increased its hold, and individuals in the medical profession lost their philosophical and moral bearings, becoming, in the worst cases, complicit.

Thus my term the ‘Mengele Brigade’

121434 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to RickH, 3, #504 of 2397 🔗

People who don’t comply with all the government diktats and mask wearing are already being branded as enemies of the people in many countries by the propagandists. The Behavioural Scientists think they can micro manage peoples emotions – I have no faith in them stopping before it is too late.

The Times last week had a photo (no condemnation) of a non-mask wearing man being forced to lay in a Coffin and endure public abuse as punishment in Indonesia. Coming soon..

122698 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to RickH, #505 of 2397 🔗

The Jews were a virus. Today, Skeptics are a virus that must be eradicated.

122704 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to RickH, 1, #506 of 2397 🔗

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sorrow_and_the_Pity

I watched this documentary once. Once was enough. Too gut wrenching.
Despicable horror.

123198 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to richard riewer, #507 of 2397 🔗

I remember that. Saw it in tv when I was in my teens. Made a big and lasting impression on me.

121411 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Thomas_E, 4, #508 of 2397 🔗

History repeats itself yet again and it is the social engineers and propagandists at work deliberately causing fear and division. The Nazis used the ‘safety’ promise so beloved by our current leaders.

Quarantine camps can quickly evolve into gulags and concentration camps. We need to stop the madness before it proceeds any further.

121228 Philip F, replying to Philip F, 13, #509 of 2397 🔗

What is the government’s endgame with this?
We will never be released from this torment if they panic every time the positive test numbers go up. I can only assume they are waiting for a vaccine, which may never happen.
It’s all absolutely mad.

121232 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Philip F, 6, #510 of 2397 🔗

no one knows. I don’t think they do either. I think they are playing whack-a-mole with ‘cases’. Should have let it rip in summer after ‘flattening the curve’ like they told us. No idea why lockdown went on for more than 3 weeks. They went from ‘stop the nhs being overwhelmed’ to a sort of mix between ‘get the economy going’ and ‘zero covid’ without any announcements

121274 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to steve_w, 5, #511 of 2397 🔗

It rather shows my age but it takes me back to the Vietnam war, and a Tom Paxton song about President Johnson, ‘I am really trying to stop this war by sending 50,000 more, to save Vietnam from the Vietnamese, I am trying everyone to please!’
We seem to have Government by cognitive dissonance, which is why we have both a strict mandatory facemask policy and a very open liberal free and easy exemption policy which so many do not understand.

121317 ▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to steve_w, 4, #512 of 2397 🔗

All tactics, no strategy

Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.

Sun Tzu – The Art of War c. 500 BC

121399 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Philip F, #513 of 2397 🔗

You think there is a government?
There is a ‘Gated-gov’ of Private predation on the public or PPP.
Its claim to governance is compromised by the hijack of its institutions by a virus of fear-driven control. Those who accept this as their replacement, mask out or mitigate their fear by alignment with control and its narrative justifications. Sell out others and acquire virtue under the system you choose to be governed by.
You might say you have no choice and that is part of the human dilemma. If Mr Gold makes you ‘an offer you cant refuse’, then you live with who you have accepted yourself to be. But no matter the terms and conditions, your consent was what was extracted from you.

121229 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, #514 of 2397 🔗

Just testing, as I seem to be having problems posting.

121230 ▶▶ Philip F, replying to Nsklent, 1, #515 of 2397 🔗

You’re on mute.

121259 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Philip F, #516 of 2397 🔗

Sorry, not being a thicky here, but in the context of posting comments, what does ‘mute’ refer to.

121267 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nsklent, #517 of 2397 🔗

i think xhe’s joking. a zoom gag

121440 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to steve_w, #518 of 2397 🔗

what is “xhe” – some catch all non gender specific pronoun??? or just a typo ? I am not woke enough to understand … i call a spade a bloody shovel

121435 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Nsklent, #519 of 2397 🔗

we have had posts that say i cannot post………….. and we are a sarcastic but humorous bunch on here …. i’d even go so far as saying some of us are cynical !!! But we feel so much better for it in this mad world

121235 ▶▶ Andrew, replying to Nsklent, 5, #520 of 2397 🔗

No more than 6 posts together.

121231 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 2, #521 of 2397 🔗

Just found this petition calling for a repeal of the coronavirus act.

https://liberty.e-activist.com/page/63681/petition/1?ea.tracking.id=Website

Also, I haven’t noticed Liberty mentioned before on this website – they seem to have some good advice about protests.

121268 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Ozzie, #522 of 2397 🔗

I’ve been wondering where their voice is on all this – surelybhis should be their bread and butter.

121234 Julian, replying to Julian, 18, #523 of 2397 🔗

“Panicking Boris Imposes Second Lockdown”
If the PM is panicking it’s not because of the rise in “cases”, it’s because of the lack of a second wave to make a convincing case to carry on the nonsense.

It’s all theatre. There are no good intentions here.

121329 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 4, #524 of 2397 🔗

Totally agree.

Remember – at the time of the first measures anything like this would have been laughed out of court had real infection been at this level. In the actual situation of a real spike anything other than a brief lock-up would have been resisted.

This is the ‘frogs in boiling water’ syndrome.

121238 Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 12, #525 of 2397 🔗

Matt Hancock; ‘if you have a rise in cases and do not act then this will inexorably lead to more hospital admissions and people dying’. More fear mongering. Where has this man been the past few weeks, what part of increase in cases has not equated to a rise in hospital admissions or deaths, does he not understand.

121248 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Nsklent, 2, #526 of 2397 🔗

I am not sure why, put it would not allow me to submit my entire post, so this is the remaining section.

For some reason they want this second lockdown, and by Jove they are going to make sure it happens.
Anyone want to buy an island, where all us sane people can create our own world.

121255 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nsklent, 2, #527 of 2397 🔗

every year the bbc tells us the NHS is overwhelmed and collapsing with flu cases. How long before people start demanding a ‘temporary’ lockdown for that?

we should have this for flu
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

121264 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Nsklent, 1, #528 of 2397 🔗

If you replace ‘cases’ with ‘positive tests’ and modify it by adding that positive does not equate to ill or symptomatic or infectious the answer is obvious. People are not too stupid to see this as the top comments here show

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8711107/Boris-Johnson-BAN-gatherings-SIX-people-Monday-England.html

121316 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Nsklent, #529 of 2397 🔗

He understands ok

123018 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Nsklent, 1, #530 of 2397 🔗

Matt, people die all the time. To take this out on the rest of us is just psychotic.

121251 Biggles, 21, #531 of 2397 🔗

So Hancock said ‘Don’t kill your gran?’

He forgot the words ‘That’s my job’.

121256 Norma McNormalface, replying to Norma McNormalface, 8, #532 of 2397 🔗

This revolting video of a mask-exempt asthma sufferer being threatened by the pilot of an easyjet plane (as passengers cheered) had me in tears this morning. You’d think businesses would have at least trained their staff as to the actual guidelines and provided them a link to the government website. You’d also think the government could’ve come up with a more “official” looking exemption card, rather than just sticking a bit of clip art next to a sentence on an otherwise blank page.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54075771
Bad day today. Hard to believe Hancock actually studied ‘Politics, Philosophy and Economics’. Obviously dozed off during the ‘philosophy’ and ‘economics’ classes.

121261 ▶▶ Will, replying to Norma McNormalface, 14, #533 of 2397 🔗

I hope that poor passenger sues the arse off them.

121265 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Norma McNormalface, 2, #534 of 2397 🔗

Hancock, Johnson, Cameron, et al, will have had someone else do all their reports and dissertations whilst at University, so they could doze of whenever they like.

121303 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Norma McNormalface, 17, #535 of 2397 🔗

The other passengers cheering is the worst part of this. What the fuck is wrong with people. This will never feel like home to me again – I literally hate that vast majority of the people around me.

121337 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Saved To Death, 11, #536 of 2397 🔗

It is disturbing and shows that Solzhenitsyn was spot on when he wrote this:

To do evil a human being must first of all believe that what he’s doing is good, or else that it’s a well- considered act in conformity with natural law. Fortunately, it is the nature of the human being to seek a justification for his actions.

  • The Gulag Archipelago
121397 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #537 of 2397 🔗

Yes, some of the most powerful people in the world think this way. I worry that they have learnt nothing from the past and won’t show any compassion to those of us in the minority if we refuse to comply with draconian measures. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9tKvasRO54

121736 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Darryl, #538 of 2397 🔗

We learn not from being told, but by experience. When fears from the past seize us from within, mere thinking we know flies out the window. BUT this recognition, opens a new depth from which to question and uncover answer – as a process of re-education. Blaming oneself or others is a complete waste of energy. Awakening responsibility for fear is FROM a place to be uncovered by willingness and desire. Solzhenitsyn offers a true witness that serves awakening responsibility (I don’t mean blame), as does all true witness.
The idea of the past and future is to bring present what truly serves us. But the default way of thinking is that the past creates the future.
This in extremis is ‘Big Brother’s Boot’ on the face of a presence never allowed to rise. But rising of awareness is not the reaction to actions – that are themselves resulting from the past.

The idea of facing or embracing the shadow is that of releasing the mindset of the refusal to look on it what guilt and fear have ‘masked from our awareness’ – so as to no longer live FROM such a split or conflicted sense of reality.
A sense of lack is compelled to seek outside itself for completion, and assign ‘outside ourself’ to the cause of such compulsion.
However, the undoing of a sense of lack is restored awareness of wholeness. Uncovering this runs against all our ‘conditioning’, and so is not appealing to the attempt to persist in what can never work as if THIS TIME, it might.
Willingness to question our conditional circumstances is to question all the meaning we have given them (and are giving them).
‘Learning’ is used to mean stuffing information but:
Data is not information is not meaning is not knowledge is not wisdom.
True learning is a process of transformation with resulting perception that cannot simply be shared or directly told to those who are not yet in the willingness or readiness to accept or indeed recognise any application in their current experience.
Yet love may extend such as to allow a maximal or optimal exchange of what CAN be freely recognised as shared worth or value.
Aligning in points of coherence is not a means to leverage the conflicted.
But reaches to a place in others from which they may make new choices – from our own acceptance of ourselves and each other as we are – and not as we might wish to be or want others to be. This opens a basis from which to find our way together in freedom – which means the freedom to make different choices in which apparent separations open diverse interaction rather than divisive faction.

123109 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #539 of 2397 🔗

I first read that aged 14, followed by Ivan Denisovich.
They don’t do Solzhenitsyn even in University these days even though once expelled from the rotting Soviet Union, largely as a result of pressure from the West, he spent the rest of his days criticising the USA.

121306 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Norma McNormalface, 7, #540 of 2397 🔗

I havent seen the video, but if as you said, the passengers cheered, that to me is the most disturbing. If you haven’t seen Gulag, a BBC documentary, I am guessing from the 90s, it is well worth watching on YouTube, if it hasn’t been deleted. It includes interviews with both people who endured the gulags as well as the guards. What I found most unsettling , was that even as old men with these events in the past, the guards seem to show little emotion or remorse as they described the treatment of the prisoners, some were even smirking as they described past events. It was very much me and them, and the prisoners or people destined for the gulag regarded as almost non human, the enemy. This was obviously only achieved through psychological conditioning, and demonstrates how ominous the results of this can be, which I fear an element of this is being conducted amid this farce.

121367 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Nsklent, 2, #541 of 2397 🔗

Note the presumption that if it is on video – it must be taken at face value.
The ability to advertise so as to capture mindshare is well known.
that we are predated upon by ‘corporate entities’ is not without our willingness to be fodder.

121414 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Binra, #542 of 2397 🔗

so are you saying that this specific video should not be taken at face value. and so it is fabricated or false in some way
Or are you saying the video about gulags is false.

121586 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to mjr, 1, #543 of 2397 🔗

I am saying that the USE of videos regardless of whether actual, contrived or in some way edited, is known to operate just such emotional reaction, and conditioned reactive reinforcement to pushed narrative agenda.

I also invite you (all) to be conscious as to the USE you put your perceptions and experience of anything.

I write to the capacity to be responsible for our consciousness – as distinct from being set or identified in claim and counter claim.

I do not need to watch the videos to recognise the behaviours of all involved. I am not unaware of the corporate mindset that operates systemically (inhumanly) as the processing of people under mask of concern. I am not unaware of the futile resort to rage at the machine, or of adapting within its mask of virtue so as to ‘survive’ in its checkboxes and targets that extend the system to others – instead of human relationship.
The split of allegiance between Caesar and God is not new.
But the ability to ‘construct’ convincing realities is new in terms of our technical infrastructure (that we are effectively outsourced to and dependent upon).

I don’t need to decide what is or is not true to reserve judgement and therefore NOT react or act from what is projected to me – unless and until I recognise truth. This is an inner honesty. No one else can TELL you who and what you are.
If we invest in the world we will then protect invested identity. That is why I recommend being clearly conscious of where we invest our energy and attention – for that is where we value – and what is then protected against fear of threat of loss.

So I am not suggesting to lose all faith in our experience, but to know what we are giving faith to. Certainty in this sense, is not IN the world, but in who and what we are accepting ourselves to be.
The ability to deceive our self is the ability to be run by deceit – unknowing. Masking deceits may offer temporary protection, but then run as defaults or ‘normals’.

121320 ▶▶ Caramel, replying to Norma McNormalface, 3, #544 of 2397 🔗

And the non apology from EasyJet was pathetic.
‘”We are sorry that this new policy was not recognised by the crew on this occasion and if [Nick] was unhappy with how this was handled onboard however we cannot tolerate disruptive behaviour towards our crew.”
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/easyjet-man-chronic-asthma-face-mask-a4543251.html

121424 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Caramel, 7, #545 of 2397 🔗

the standard non apology.. They are not sorry about their behaviour. They are sorry that Nick was unhappy with their behaviour, the disruptive bastard

121795 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Caramel, 3, #546 of 2397 🔗

Pathetic apology. Not accepted. You discriminated against a person with a disability and possibly caused mental health issues.

121331 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Norma McNormalface, 4, #547 of 2397 🔗

I’ve encountered many members of staff in restaurants and read several horror stories on Twitter about those in shops who patently have not been trained with regards to exemptions as well as the bare bones of relevant legislation such as the Equalities Act and GDPR. Its appalling when I’m met with remarks like “I didn’t know that” or “we were not told.”

This means that companies have been negligent in arming their staff with the knowledge especially as appalling treatment like what you mentioned above can cause them dear. That said I have noticed that good customer service has gone out of the window since this crisis started.

As for Hancock’s degree, what did you expect? The PPE degree is like History of Art – meedja studies for thick, posh people.

121260 nowhereman, replying to nowhereman, 2, #548 of 2397 🔗

Why hasn’t the number of tests performed in England been updated since September 2nd?

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing

121270 ▶▶ Will, replying to nowhereman, 4, #549 of 2397 🔗

And why is no one commenting that the pillar one positive tests are falling. How much are commercial partners paid to perform each pillar 2 test?

121284 ▶▶▶ jim j, replying to Will, 3, #550 of 2397 🔗

The 32 deaths yesterday doesn’t reconcile on the gov.uk page either – can anyone work out how England goes from 12 announced to 27 in the overall?
Bad data brings bad mistakes

121263 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 1, #551 of 2397 🔗

” In a worstcase scenario, the number of food insecure people could raise to 52 million, 90 percent up from the pre-COVID projection of 27.5 million people” – that’s just southern Africa. all from lockdown

https://docs.wfp.org/api/documents/14feab1255a246deb2724cf6f408504b/download/?_ga=2.143102773.1892238692.1599641329-570297584.1597051892

121280 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to steve_w, 1, #552 of 2397 🔗

Apparently it’s better than somebody else dying from COVID19.

121282 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nobody2020, #553 of 2397 🔗

or even ‘with’ covid 😉

122717 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nobody2020, #554 of 2397 🔗

They don’t care about Africa, they want to depopulate it.

121283 ▶▶ Andrew, replying to steve_w, 1, #555 of 2397 🔗

Planned all along. There will be mass testing at food plants in the UK. These will lead to mass closures which in turn = mass food shortages. You’ll see.

121286 ▶▶ Mark, replying to steve_w, #556 of 2397 🔗

But, but… if it saves one life…..

121266 Binra, replying to Binra, 6, #557 of 2397 🔗

I’m not a conspiracy theorist”

This is the masking in apology to power of those unwilling or unable to speak it.
For it frames the speaker in terms of those who conspire to set the ‘officially supported’ narratives of what you are and are not allowed to say without penalty.

The hiding or masking off of what cannot be openly acknowledged or said – or can only be said by those given licence by power to say it, is what generates the darkness in which a ‘deep state’ of subjection is ‘explained away’ as incompetence and the result of polarising identity in what is must be ‘against’ in order to belong in its group. Officially sanctioned identities are then used as tools or proxies through which to leverage the choking of others. But all identities are programmed golems – to a unified identifier of ‘self-hatred’.

This may seem strong or extreme but look at what self-hatred is and does under mask of virtue.

The sign of not actually BEING a lab rat, and thus no longer playing the role for ‘Satanic experiment’ (In the sense of Job being created by God as NOT a golem), is of creating a language and expression of living choice or freedom to be, rather than persisting the programmed narrative dictates.
While I hold the ‘Satanic’ in essence to be form-based reality – rather than the perverse glorification of exulting in form based identity of ‘lording it’ over the physical or material realm – it is essentially that part of our development of consciousness that gives set meanings to recognisable forms or patterns. In short the self-programming of conditioning resulting from our own ‘unconscious’ or preverbal definitions, beliefs and meanings.

If something is set with fearful meanings, it becomes mapped as such and generates a mind that then ‘adapts’ to operate within the learned ‘world’ of such meanings – as its experience. As we are not so much unconscious but rather lacking integrative coherence, the pattern or device of setting limits and behaviours becomes fitted to a ‘control mindset’ for parents, leaders, establishments or dominant factions for the reinforcement and persistence of their role. But control is resorted to where communication breaks down, because in finding our best interests together we willingly align in them, once we share the recognition of where they lay.

Breakdown of communication is the loss of consciousness as a living relational responsibility, to systems of control.
That billionaire clubs, corporate cartels, and hierarchies of financial dependency all ‘conspire’ to persist and expand as ‘control mentality’ is a syndrome that tools or uses their consciousness no less than ‘they’ then seem to tool ours – for the ONLY communication allowed into such a set of mind is that which supports and reinforces the possession of ‘control’ as the claim to power and right of existence.
There is no love in it.
There is no peace in it.
There is no joy in it.
There is no virtue in it as a hollow masking in power.

The form is not the reality. The experience of being phished teaches this – but as an identity theft that can run unnoticed while being fooled and tooled.
Releasing the mind from the habit-reactions of what passes as thought but has no power of life – and so is serving a death-mask – is the willingness to accept and embrace Life – but to the tooled mind its seems like loss of face, loss of control and loss of self – and so it is refused, feared and demonised and ‘mapped out’ by the habit or momentum of a mindset of control – running in our name and thus setting the basis for our perception and response.

Love is the power in life that unifies purpose and response in willing or un-coercive alignment. Fear may seem to unify – but always set over,apart and against. It CANNOT build its ‘tower to Heaven’ nor its system of control to replace lack of love. But it can and does call you to align in ITS purpose, of sacrificing love to fear for protection, from a root set in self-lack, guilt and shame, in fear of disclosure and penalty. It can only seem to do so through your willingness to persist in ancient archetypes of thought that reiterate an attempt to set forms of control over conflicting and chaotic thought, meaning and self.

The very term ‘conspiracy theorist’ is a meaninglessness set as weapon or mask against the capacity to freely associate in coherent thought, so as to protect the structure of a ‘control mentality’.

The use of meaninglessness tooled as weapon is masking a lack of love – but this question remains with you; “WHO told you, you were naked?”
Love is as willingness to receive it by extension. It has no set definitions or attributes that can become a counterfeit of substitution for who we are. Yet is the willingness to be with what is as the desire to know the truth here. Not the ‘truths’ that validate a mask – but truth unmasked. To be naked or transparent to truth is to be unselfconscious to the movement of our being. Listen there.

121305 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Binra, #558 of 2397 🔗

Nice psychology thesis!

What is your point?

121348 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Kev, 2, #559 of 2397 🔗

You have none.

121364 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Binra, #560 of 2397 🔗

Wow, great comeback

121491 ▶▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Kev, -1, #561 of 2397 🔗

A masked mind defends against disclosure. That is its job description – not a moral judgement.
However I am not attacking yours – and so you can persist in what works for you (of course).
The term ‘psychology’ suffers the conceit of presuming to study a psychic-emotional participance AS IF from a position set over and apart.
The ‘psychiatrist’ is then the one to define the diagnosis of ‘normal’ and the modes of ‘treatment’. Perhaps you get my drift.
So ‘psychology’ serves a ‘distancing’ and ‘masking’ function to a withholding or ‘locked-down’ mentality of judgement – and the identity derived or framed by such judgement.
All science needs to remember that AS IF is not AS IS – lest we fit (sacrifice) ourselves into a ‘model’ or ‘system’ of judgements confused with life – which may seem to promise short term gains and deliver long term pain.

Within a hierarchy of judgements – anything NOT in support of its structure ‘is judged against’ or automatically rejected – not least by being mapped out, pigeon-holed or designated to terms of invalidation. smear or ridicule.

If you unmask of your illusions, you will meet such ‘persecutions’ as a matter of course, and yet they are not about you. They are revealing the mind of their maker.

121638 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Binra, 5, #562 of 2397 🔗

The problem with love, peace and joy, Buddhism and all the rest of the ‘accept your fate and roll with it’ philosophies, is that they all imply accepting the status quo. Sadly that status quo is generally imposed by ruthless, wealthy and powerful totalitarian dictators.

122723 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bruno, 1, #563 of 2397 🔗

And most of these people live far from the madding crowd.

122721 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Kev, #564 of 2397 🔗

That’s for you to decide.

121269 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 15, #565 of 2397 🔗

I’m on a big downer today. I see the discussions questioning the competence of Hancock or Boris. No. They are entirely competent. Just not the competence that we are thinking or expecting.
I read somewhere that this is ‘The Great Reset’. What a cosy phrase that is. Between 1 billion and 6 billion people need to die for it to be effective.
This is a hugely efficient machine of death that we are now staring in the face. This isn’t about the economy, or Brexit, or even about politics. It’s above all that. It’s even for our own good. Which is a bit of an oxymoron to say the least.
This is the SECOND HOLOCAUST. It is gathering momentum in its multiple ways, I predict hundreds of millions of deaths. Let the murders begin, oh they already have! Time for a cuppa…

121275 ▶▶ Andrew, replying to Arnie, 11, #566 of 2397 🔗

Planned all along. And the sheeple think this is just a blip.

121309 ▶▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Andrew, 2, #567 of 2397 🔗

Of course ,for decades.
Kicked off back in March.
Just look at BRIX, right there, that reaction.
Coronavirus pandemic an Exercise live
Trump :“You should have let us know.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=29&v=3Qscuw_3aUk&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=FoxNews

121347 ▶▶▶ Binra, replying to Andrew, #568 of 2397 🔗

Beware the temptation to be right – over and upon the judged. It’s an elitist thing.

121277 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Arnie, 2, #569 of 2397 🔗

So not many left. A planet for the elite, who will clean their loo’s?

121287 ▶▶▶ Andrew, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #570 of 2397 🔗

The masked, micro chipped slaves.

121670 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Dan Clarke, #571 of 2397 🔗

RoBOTS

122728 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Dan Clarke, #572 of 2397 🔗

Let them eat s..t!

121278 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Arnie, 11, #573 of 2397 🔗

I think its a mix of stupidity and arrogance. But I think worldwide deaths from lockdown will far exceed those from covid. Since the start of the pandemic, more children have died of diarrhea than the virus. That is a disease of poverty. And poverty is going to increase massively.

121351 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to steve_w, 6, #574 of 2397 🔗

Yes poor sanitation and diseases of poverty kill far more than Covid 19 ever will. But you can’t justify digital IDs, digital currencies and mandatory vaccination programs by tackling these.

122731 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Darryl, #575 of 2397 🔗

At least 150 thousand children, ages 0 to 5 years old, die every day around the world from malnutrition, dysentery … Who talks about that?

123033 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to steve_w, #576 of 2397 🔗

Malaria too

121342 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Arnie, 1, #577 of 2397 🔗

No matter how the reset proposes to ‘work’ – its shows no signs of life – or seed for living.
My sense is that the ‘ego’ always tries to front the band, or seem to be in control’ and so the idea of controlling what instabilities of conflicted and corrupted ‘foundations’ (sic) have made INEVITABLE, is merely the continuation of the theme and identity of ‘control’.

The machine of death is the explication or outer manifestation of machine-thinking.
A machine runs thoughts without parsing for Life, because it is programmed to fear, evade and mask it out as a displacement map – of emotionally charged ‘meanings’ that run as if entities in emulation of deeper conflicts but cast out to a world of judgements.

The mind ‘conditions’ itself so as to use or limit the creative to serve the expectation. The NARRATIVE USE of industrially organised death has conditioned deep guilt in the collective. A ‘god of guilt’ undermines from within.

The coagulation to a narrative fixation is the passive acceptance of its ‘inevitability’.
The ‘victims’ thus declare their own mind-trap to themselves.

Insofar as the human experience is temporary, how many die?
How you choose to live your life may be a much deeper covenant than what you think.
But what you think can sap your will and deliver you to evil.
How then shall I think?
There are traps that tighten, the more one struggles.
What is priority here?
What is essential – and what is clutter?
By what light is truth revealed?
Or under what seeming light it is concealed!

121372 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Binra, 1, #578 of 2397 🔗

Great comment Binra. Thank you. I choose life. The life I had before the murders began. I will achieve that, or die trying.

121635 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Arnie, 2, #579 of 2397 🔗

Me too.
I choose life.
That would be a good motto for LS.

122724 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Arnie, #580 of 2397 🔗

Hemlock?

121272 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #581 of 2397 🔗

South Dakota Governer Kristi Noem responds to the Sturgis study:

https://twitter.com/govkristinoem/status/1303416903646482437

This report isn’t science. It’s fiction.

121294 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #582 of 2397 🔗

She’s been a stalwart. Wonder if she could fast-track green cards for the few hundred thousand sceptics in the UK. Plenty of space in South Dakota.

121273 guy153, replying to guy153, 4, #583 of 2397 🔗

Suspected adverse reaction in the trial of the Oxford vaccine:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/08/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-study-put-on-hold-due-to-suspected-adverse-reaction-in-participant-in-the-u-k/

No details published. It may be that the reaction was a coincidence and nothing to do with the vaccine. But an adverse reaction is not entirely unexpected as they are giving people pretty big doses and reported above average reactions if not alarming ones in the Phase 2 trials.

I recently learned about a new vaccine candidate that looks more promising.

It turns out the “spikes” on the coronavirus (the little lumpy bits that infect cells) are kind of like pliers with an open and a closed position. The open position is much less stable than the closed position (they want to snap shut).

When they’re arranged on an actual coronavirus they’re open, ready to latch onto cells. But when you just encode the whole spike protein (and nothing else), pretty much as it appears in nature, in a vaccine, which is what the Oxford, Russian and Moderna vaccine all do, they come out closed.

But perhaps antibodies would match better if they were open, as they will be on the real thing? This can be achieved with some fiendishly clever genetic engineering to sort of lock them open. They tried it and it does work a lot better.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2607-z

See in particular Fig 4c, the S.PP variant. That’s the kind of immunity you’re really hoping for from a vaccine and is a very good candidate explanation for why the Oxford vaccine gives a somewhat lukewarm antibody response (which is therefore why you need a rather large dose).

More details of how this other vaccine works here:

https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.07.30.227470

It’s also in trials. It’s known as Ad26.Cov2.S, and it encodes a “prefusion stabilized” spike.

121314 ▶▶ RickH, replying to guy153, 8, #584 of 2397 🔗

What’s the point of a vaccine for this infection, anyway? Even deaths amongst those whose life is on the edge (80+) are minimal.

121338 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to RickH, 4, #585 of 2397 🔗

I suspect the point is to bring in ID2020 (perhaps under a different name). We know that big pharma would love to give everyone annual vaccines (just think of the revenue stream) and big tech fantasise about transhumanism (humans linked to machines – look at Elon Musk’s latest (distasteful) experiments with pigs).

121380 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to RickH, 1, #586 of 2397 🔗

To get a vaccine giving process in place. How do you get a vaccine into 7 billion people*? It needs a good trial – laws need changing, factories need building, minds need altering.

*I think of the tribal guys in the Amazon and Papa New Can’t spell it Are they going be vaccinated?

121405 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to RickH, #587 of 2397 🔗

It will save a few lives over the years but also be an important test of new vaccine technology in general which will advance the field for things we really do need vaccines for.

121647 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to guy153, 2, #588 of 2397 🔗

Nice one. Expect to hear it from Matt Hancock’s lips any day now, guy153! 🙂

121281 Basics, 4, #589 of 2397 🔗

Postcard from Angola. Bill Gates got there first. Here is a paper that talks Ebola and Gates.

ABSTRACT
Powerful institutions of Western capital, notably the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, viewed the African Ebola outbreak of 2014–2015 as an opportunity to advance an ambitious global agenda. Building on recent public health literature proposing “global health governance” (GHG) as the preferred model for international healthcare, Bill Gates publicly called for the creation of a worldwide, militarized, supranational authority capable of responding decisively to outbreaks of infectious disease—an authority governed by Western powers and targeting the underdeveloped world. This article examines the media generated panic surrounding Ebola alongside the response and underlying motives of foundations, governments, and other institutions. It describes the evolution and goals of GHG, in particular its opposition to traditional notions of Westphalian sovereignty. It proposes a different concept—“global health imperialism”—as a more useful framework for understanding the current conditions and likely future of international healthcare.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/ajes.12110

Imperialism. Is there another meaning to the word millitary and what is the BG Foundation to be talking in unpeaceful terms?

121289 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 2, #590 of 2397 🔗

” WFP estimates the number of acutely food insecure people in East Africa could increase by 73 percent – from 24 million pre-COVID-19, to 41.5 million before the end of 2020.”

121323 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to steve_w, 11, #591 of 2397 🔗

As we know the disease hasn’t caused these problems the actions of the ruling elite have.

They could have spent all the Covid 19 vaccine research money on eradicating food poverty and improving sanitation and they would have saved millions more lives (and reduced infant mortality). The whole Covid scam was never about saving lives its about technological control, subservience and a Global Reset.

121474 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Darryl, 1, #592 of 2397 🔗

Well said Darryl. Gets a tick from me!
I’m waiting for the stormtroopers to kick my door down for speaking up. It’s getting really exciting now. Hope I have time to finish my cuppa before they get here…

121384 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to steve_w, 2, #593 of 2397 🔗

The murder machine in full swing. The Second Holocaust. Saves on bullets if you just abandon people to die. ‘The Great Reset’.

121291 RickH, replying to RickH, 15, #594 of 2397 🔗

I’m not a first resort ‘conspiracy’ theorist, either. But I’m hard pushed not to see evil motivation behind this absurdity that has no grounding in any history of epidemics – let alone normal background levels of disease.

“The really infuriating thing is that, with schools re-opening, life was beginning to feel almost normal”

Isn’t there an obvious link to intention here?

It was obvious to me, travelling up the country on Sunday, that the population has been slowly – even subliminally – absorbing the fact that the government line is a load of bollocks, and that life, whilst not normal, was beginning to reflect the reality more.

Then, on Monday, we had the usual suspects pumping out the propaganda, exaggerating the statistical noise and once again threatening hell and damnation, with shills from all over the piece preaching salvation in the destruction of society.

Coincidence? I think not. The government, failing any observable crisis had to manufacture one before people really twigged that nothing much was happening and that – true to form – the Mengele Brigade were simply wrong.

What? Carry on regardless when all that brass has gone on non-existent vaccines fora non-existent epidemic?

121308 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to RickH, 3, #595 of 2397 🔗

Same just before the mask mandate!

It was obvious to me, travelling up the country on Sunday, that the population has been slowly – even subliminally – absorbing the fact that the government line is a load of bollocks, and that life, whilst not normal, was beginning to reflect the reality more.

121354 ▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 2, #596 of 2397 🔗

I also think they are engaged in an exercise to both claim credit for “beating” the disease and deflect attention from the criminal decision to release sick people into care homes to clear NHS capacity for a “wave” of patients in March/ April which, unsurprisingly, never materialised.

121788 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to RickH, #597 of 2397 🔗

it is all part of getting the emergency legislation extended

121292 James Leary #KBF, replying to James Leary #KBF, 4, #598 of 2397 🔗

it’s looking grim out there folks, but look on the bright side. Face masks work, don’t they? Well they must otherwise there’d be an increase in cases since they were introduced. Closing things down worked, otherwise there’d be an ….. social distancing works, otherwise there’d … Well, no crowds at sports events must have worked, otherwise …. The Oxford vaccine will work though, if the trials are allowed to restart …..

“Ladies and gentlemen, I sit before you tonight, as your Prime Minister, to talk about a very baffling, cunning disease, that refuses to follow the science”.

121418 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #599 of 2397 🔗

The only problem with that is the idiots then claim it’s because not all people are wearing facemasks

121467 ▶▶▶ Allan Gay, replying to tonyspurs, 2, #600 of 2397 🔗

Yep, it’s that patchy observance of the regulations that has enabled the virus to prosper.

Just like communism would have worked perfectly if people had only put their backs into it.

More regulations and stronger enforcement will solve the problem, so … can I shoot him now, grandad?

121296 jojo, replying to jojo, 5, #601 of 2397 🔗

Went to Wetherspoon yesterday night hoping for a couple of quiet pints. Staff lady at the entrance won’t allow to go in unless the QR code is scanned and details entered. Turned around, went home and had the pints. The earlier system was ok in a libertarian way, as people can fill the form/scan QR code inside the pub as they wish. Looks like Tim Martin is no libertarian after all 🙁

121300 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to jojo, #602 of 2397 🔗

I was in spoons yesterday. No problem. Ive never filled out a form there.

122741 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to steve_w, #603 of 2397 🔗

Depends on the spoon.

121302 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to jojo, 1, #604 of 2397 🔗

Wonder what his incentive to turn was

121307 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to jojo, 2, #605 of 2397 🔗

Weatherspoons always get criticised in the ‘liberal’ media if it puts a step wrong. I expect Tim Martin was forced into the draconian measures.

121341 ▶▶ Will, replying to jojo, 4, #606 of 2397 🔗

I am not a particular fan of Martin but it really isn’t his fault because the government has allowed the insurance companies to take complete control of our lives through their ludicrous guidance. The senior management in my organisation are sceptical to a man/ woman but we simply can’t go out on a limb because we risk being uninsured if we aren’t following the ridiculous guidance.

121791 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Will, #607 of 2397 🔗

Great the insurance industry will lead to their demise

121412 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to jojo, 2, #608 of 2397 🔗

Mine has started doing this, I put it down to Burnham’s witch hunt. I would boycott, but it’s the only pub I use, others far too expensive and much coronacrap. I compromise by lying on the form.

121444 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to jojo, #609 of 2397 🔗

can you pretend to scan it? My husband says he did that and they let him in (not wetherspoons though)

121642 ▶▶▶ jojo, replying to Sophie123, 2, #610 of 2397 🔗

To avoid confrontation, I initially scanned it so that the url came up. But she was adamant that all the details be filled before stepping foot. No point in going to a pub to be bossed around.

123218 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to jojo, #611 of 2397 🔗

That’ll work well when the rainy season returns!

121480 ▶▶ leggy, replying to jojo, 3, #612 of 2397 🔗

My local one was normal yesterday. Walked in, went to the bar, ordered a (lovely!) pint of Black Adder stout, paid cash, went and sat outside in the sun to enjoy it. If they start getting bolshy, I’ll stop visiting.

121297 Dan Clarke, #613 of 2397 🔗

Johnson and Hancock have lost the plot and the people who were with him enough to volunteer for the NHS, the ones who clapped for the NHS, and everyone else who did neither.

121298 RickH, replying to RickH, 2, #614 of 2397 🔗

Admittedly, daily deaths increased to 32 yesterday”

CEBM re-allocates hospital deaths to day of occurrence. This gives a continuous reliable picture with the best data available.

123063 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to RickH, #615 of 2397 🔗

Indeed, they have levelled out at about 10 a day since late July.

121301 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #616 of 2397 🔗

Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac

Ivor Cummins
97.7K subscribers

The ultimate update on our viral issue, bar none – Sept 8th 2020 . Get educated guys and gals – or gkeep your head in the sand while your errant leaders destroy society around you… 😉

121313 George Marchaux, 12, #617 of 2397 🔗

Shut up, 1.3 MILLION tests over the last 7 days? 2,460 ‘cases’ (not including all the caveats which make up a case)… I’m staggered. is this over a 7 day period? And the government respond as such? This is malpractice, verging on a sustained psy op.

121315 Phoenix44, 16, #618 of 2397 🔗

The innumeracy around the tests is worse than you think. It is obvious that the tests are not random, so do not tell us that what the overall level of infections is. And that is true in any given area as weIl as for the country as a whole. It is equally obvious that they are not comprehensive: they are obviously not identifying everybody in the the country (or in an area) who is infected, even if there were no false positives. So the “cases” tell us nothing more than how many “cases” the testing has identified.

We can show this using ONS data. ONS random testing suggests that between 19,700 and 36,700 people were infected in the week 19-25th August. So 3,000 positive tests is a small fraction of total infections. 2,000 and 1,000 are also fractions of that total. But finding 3,000 after finding 1,000 does not prove that the total number of infections is rising. It could just as easily mean that you are finding more of the total for some reason. Say track and trace, more testing overall, more testing in areas with a higher than average infection rate. There are numerous confounding variables that means the data tell you nothing whatsoever. Indeed, the total number of infections could be falling but the number of infections you identify could be rising. Say because track and trace is getting better ta tracking and tracing. Again, all the data tell is that that you have more positive tests. It cannot tell you anything more than that.

I spot an ant in my garden. Next day I follow it and find a million ants. Wow, from one to a million overnight. Or maybe from 2 million to 1 million. Or 100,000 to a million. Or a million to a million. You cannot know from the sample. Producing numbers with no meaning is bad enough, Making huge decisions that have sigficant effects on people’s lives based on numbers that contain no information is criminal.

121318 crimsonpirate, 14, #619 of 2397 🔗

I intend to break the law in a limited and specific way. Details to follow

121319 Paul, replying to Paul, 9, #620 of 2397 🔗

I’m expecting my town to go into lockdown anytime soon,the drip,drip of justifications is increasing.
A worker at a bank had the sniffles and was tested,hey presto !, Covid .Bank closed immediately for a weeks worth of deep cleaning,f**k the customers.The worker claims they caught Covid on a trip to York,lookout North Yorkshire,you’re in the firing line.
Pupil at large secondary school also has sniffles,once again Covid panic,whole year group sent home for two weeks,they’ve only been back at school for three days !,talk of whole school closing.
The huge amount of bedwetters in this town are positively baying for a strict lockdown and as usual they will get what they want.I positively hate every last one of them with a passion,they are not human,they can’t be,there must be something in the water,their behaviour is insane.

121324 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 9, #621 of 2397 🔗

We’ve just been sent a warning from our Business ‘Improvement’ District (haven’t heard from them for a while, merficully) telling us to behave and not “undo all the hard work”. I won’t repeat my response, but you can probably guess what it was!

121339 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to kh1485, 4, #622 of 2397 🔗

Go on repeat it for us.

121344 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #623 of 2397 🔗

F.R.O!

121479 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 4, #624 of 2397 🔗

For Regulars Only? That was a bit tame…

122945 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to kh1485, #625 of 2397 🔗
122942 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Awkward Git, #626 of 2397 🔗

Maybe it was something original? Or not?

121340 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to kh1485, 5, #627 of 2397 🔗

I can imagine your response,mine would be the same !.Remember,you must not be a wayward child and step out of line,behave and trust that your betters know what is best for you.
I pray for a severe day of reckoning for everyone that has collaborated with the global insanity.People like your BID are so stupid and sycophantic that they don’t realise they are just ‘useful idiots’ and when they’re of no more use they will be thrown on the pyre with the rest of us.

121377 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Paul, 6, #628 of 2397 🔗

Well, as you know, I am perpetually on the ‘naughty step’ and I will remain so!

121623 ▶▶ annie, replying to Paul, 2, #629 of 2397 🔗

They are not human.
This statement needs to be taken seriously. At the moment we are continually being shocked and surprised because we expect our oppressors to act as if they were human, when they are not.
We should expect them to act like Nazis. At least, then we would be forearmed.

122953 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #630 of 2397 🔗

Forewarned is forearmed.

121321 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 8, #631 of 2397 🔗

Anybody else wondering if this might be just be a bit of a game to distract the hysterical from Brexit?

It’s certainly disappeared from the headlines again.

121325 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #632 of 2397 🔗

It is keeping people and the media distracted

121386 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #633 of 2397 🔗

DJ Cummings spinning the wheels of steel

121554 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lucan Grey, #634 of 2397 🔗

Brexit has paled into insignificance now though, and is thoroughly meaningless.

121322 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #635 of 2397 🔗

Anyone think there is anyone out there who is going to stop this madness? There must be some influential people who can’t be bought or see things another way

121328 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Dan Clarke, 9, #636 of 2397 🔗

I asked my husband what it would take to stage a military coup (he is in the military). You need a consensus among top officers, and it helps if you live in a corrupt country where you can bribe them appropriately, he reliably informs me.

121356 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Sophie123, 1, #637 of 2397 🔗

We do don’t we, it’s just not a obvious in some places.

As to bribing top brass – isn’t that what all the Sirs, knighthoods, in the honour’s lists, top sinecure jobs in companies you did business with after you retire etc are for isn’t it?

121439 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #638 of 2397 🔗

Exactly. We need better bribes than gongs. Hmm.

121552 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Sophie123, 3, #639 of 2397 🔗

I think the problem, on pondering it some more, is that only power crazed nutters want to seize power (on the whole). And all the power crazed nutters are in government already or the more successful ones are Bill Gates/Elon Musk types.

So if we want rid of this shitshow of a government we need a political coup as our military – although there are a lot of idiots for sure – are generally quite reasonable and practical people, if not especially talented in many cases. And they’re not lunatic enough to want to run the place.

I still think it odd that Michael Gove has been so mysteriously quiet throughout this whole debacle. What’s he scheming?

With his sneaky non-mask wearing, I suspect he’s a sceptic.

121358 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Sophie123, 2, #640 of 2397 🔗

If many top officers, as with the police force are common purpose chappies, then not much hope.

121432 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Nsklent, #641 of 2397 🔗

Military as whole, tend to respect authority and do as they are told (people like me generally don’t sign up as it’s incompatible with my personality). So you do need to get to the top ones. I have no idea how they think about it… but they tend not to be alarmist bedwetting types. When you’ve been shot at in Afghanistan, you’re not going to hide indoors from a virus unless it’s ebola.

121383 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Sophie123, #642 of 2397 🔗

Interesting Sophie. Is HM coming back to London in October, and early from her holidays, signaling anything in your view?

121393 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Sophie123, 2, #643 of 2397 🔗

Interesting comment Sophie. Thanks for posting it.

Your husband didn’t say, no chance, fruit cake idea, the troops would never act to cause a coup.

I think it’s a hopeful comment.

121426 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Basics, 1, #644 of 2397 🔗

haha I think he thought I was joking. But I am deadly serious.

121431 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Basics, 2, #645 of 2397 🔗

Thank Heaven that the military does not count in terms of enforcing a lockdown. You’d probably need thirty divisions of troops – and the military leadership is just as deluded as the government these days. look at their “woke” emphasis.”

121681 ▶▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Londo Mollari, #646 of 2397 🔗

You would need Dad’s Army

121481 ▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Sophie123, 1, #647 of 2397 🔗

It is not clear if the events associated with Lord Mountbatten in 1968 & 1974 were actual plans for a coup, but there does seem to be evidence that the idea was discussed seriously until, and this may have no foundation, HM said she wanted nothing to do with it.

121528 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Strange Days, #648 of 2397 🔗

Fascinating! I had no idea. I will go read up on it.

121583 ▶▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Sophie123, #649 of 2397 🔗

There is a lot of very speculative material to be found

121488 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Sophie123, 1, #650 of 2397 🔗

Wasn’t there talk of a military coup back in the 1970s? I’m not old enough to remember the details as I was a child, but I do recall it being talked about.

I don’t think the military would have the firepower nowadays.

121527 ▶▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to TJN, 1, #651 of 2397 🔗

Who has more? the police don’t have much and they’re hardly disciplined. Barely better than nightclub bouncers many of them.

121538 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Sophie123, #652 of 2397 🔗

Anarchy in the UK.

121557 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to TJN, #653 of 2397 🔗

There were troops helping out in various ways during the strikes in the early 70s. Then in the 80s (I think) during various fire service strikes. But a coup? Dunno.

121790 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to bluemoon, #654 of 2397 🔗

There was definitely talk about it – see crimsonpirate below. The country was a very bad mess then though.

121570 ▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to TJN, #655 of 2397 🔗

I think Mountbatten’s name is associated with that one

121779 ▶▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to crimsonpirate, #656 of 2397 🔗

Yes, if you are thinking of the troops at Heathrow airport in 1974.

121782 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to crimsonpirate, #657 of 2397 🔗

Yes, that rings a bell – where I’ve heard about it in more recent times.

121327 Achilles, 7, #658 of 2397 🔗

On a very simple level, if you give these people these kinds of powers they will use them, whatever the reasoning. They can’t help themselves.

121330 steve_w, replying to steve_w, 9, #659 of 2397 🔗

Peru is interesting. Worst death ratio in world. Harshest lockdown. “ people could leave their homes for essential goods only” – for 5 months. So probably vitamin D deficiency

121774 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to steve_w, 2, #660 of 2397 🔗

and stress levels of the charts, despair…

123181 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to steve_w, #661 of 2397 🔗

No coca leaves.

121332 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 18, #662 of 2397 🔗

This is just another completely pointless and unenforceable load of drivel that should and will be ignored by anybody sane.

I think most people thought it was still only 6 people anyway, because they were reading the guidance instead of the law, which never got updated to 30.

The government are getting unbelievably desperate, pathetic and embarrassing now. They are on the ropes and have very little to fight back with. The knock out blow is coming. I’m just not sure when. Stay positive folks. This madness will end.

121373 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Hubes, 3, #663 of 2397 🔗

Agree. It comes in October after the ‘credit event’ that I am pretty confident will happen. Boris will be gone by the end of the year, in my view, closely followed by Handsy Hancock. HM coming back to London in October is a signal!

121486 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #664 of 2397 🔗

Will Hancock get the same life-long protection afforded to ex-Prime Ministers ? If not, then I foresee a swift emigration to New Zealand.

121611 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #665 of 2397 🔗

Anybody got a poisoned umbrella handy?

121636 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to annie, 1, #666 of 2397 🔗

The Georgi Markov treatment!

122745 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #667 of 2397 🔗

On Waterloo Bridge.

121637 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #668 of 2397 🔗

I agree. The Johnson has until the end of October to stop the rot, develop a back bone and end this charade or he will be replaced by Gove who will chuck the whole shower of them, Cummings, Ferguson, whitty, Handcock under a bus and day they are responsible for a catastrophic and probably criminal misleading of government.

121429 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Hubes, 7, #669 of 2397 🔗

Hey, it’s a boost for us, we’re still on 2 people – local lockdown. At least I think so, it’s all a bit confusing and I ignore it anyway. I’m like a government official in many ways.

121484 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Hubes, 2, #670 of 2397 🔗

Yes, a sober sensible comment. Personally, every time Johnson or Hancock announce further measures I’m delighted – they’re hastening their own demise.

It will be fascinating to see if Tyneside Tigress’s credit event comes to pass. Maybe, or maybe a run on the pound, or maybe Andrew Bailey will cut off Johnson’s allowance. Either way, something has to give.

121607 ▶▶ annie, replying to Hubes, 8, #671 of 2397 🔗

Well said, Hubes.
Reminds me of the last days of Ceausescu: brutal paranoia finally spiralling out of control.
They shot him.

123186 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, #672 of 2397 🔗

I would have made him live like a pauper for the rest of his life. There were plenty of people like him that never were identified and brought to justice.

121334 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 15, #673 of 2397 🔗

Who would have thought it of Johnson, he didnt seem the dictator sort, now Hancock has got that snivelling school snitch face, so that’s probably why he’s the front man.

121343 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #674 of 2397 🔗

In all likelihood Hancock is probably in charge, as we are in a “medical emergency” as health secretary he currently outranks Boris on policy.

Same would happen if we were on a war footing, or at war the defence secretary would be in charge.

Boris is just the nominal figurehead.

121352 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Kev, 6, #675 of 2397 🔗

I think Boris is barely in charge of dressing himself in the morning at the moment. Unfortunately he’s been presented with a “crisis” that is way beyond his intellectual capacity to deal with.

122767 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #676 of 2397 🔗

All his boyhood dreams are finally being realized. What joy!

121336 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #677 of 2397 🔗

I have just received an e-mail from a friend who is watching the BBC this morning that says:

BBC just reported the illness in a candidate of the trial vaccine
When interviewing a doctor – he stresses we must make sure it is safe as the entire population is to receive it

Anyone else seen it?

I will try and find a link to the exact broadcast.

121374 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #678 of 2397 🔗

I read about it earlier today, and 500 of the 1000 candidates had mild to moderate symptoms of fever, headaches and muscle aches. However, no fear because WHO has rationalized ill effects from vaccines as saying it is not the vaccine but another underlying health condition the recipient already had – tell that to those suffering narcolepsy from the swine flu vaccine.

121388 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nsklent, 8, #679 of 2397 🔗

mild to moderate symptoms of fever, headaches and muscle ache is worse than full blown covid. Give that to a vulnerable person and it will kill them

121443 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to steve_w, 3, #680 of 2397 🔗

To me it’s more the statement “ as the entire population is to receive it ” as if he knows it will be mandatory.

121465 ▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Awkward Git, #681 of 2397 🔗

it wont be I’m sure. The idea of giving it to a fit 20 year old who’s already had the disease would be a step of lunacy too far

121494 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to steve_w, 3, #682 of 2397 🔗

Removing his liberty and destroying his education, livelihood and future prospects is not already a step of lunacy too far? One step of lunacy quite naturally leads to the next.

121777 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #683 of 2397 🔗

One of the trials uses another vaccine as a placebo, this reduces the ‘seriousness’ of side effects as all vaccines (and drugs) have side effects

121345 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #684 of 2397 🔗

Can someone please present the model/calculations that the government used to arrive at 6 is the limit in homes.

It is beyond my understanding to compute the variables to arrive at 6. So it would help if the full mechanical calculation was presented for me to work through and understand.

Please include the identity of the problem the fix is fitting.

Thank you.

121353 ▶▶ Andrew, replying to Basics, #685 of 2397 🔗

The average Asian family unit divided by 30.

121355 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Basics, 3, #686 of 2397 🔗

I’m afraid to inform you that either you will be waiting for a very, very long time or you will never get a reply.

Me thinks the number 6 was just something pulled out of a hat.

121396 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #687 of 2397 🔗

Well it is 3 plus 3…

121565 ▶▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #688 of 2397 🔗

out of their arses, more like

121357 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Basics, 9, #689 of 2397 🔗

The maximum number possible on the dice they rolled.

121436 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Basics, 2, #690 of 2397 🔗

How many MPs have a partner and four kids?

121441 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #691 of 2397 🔗

Some don’t even know how many kids they have!

121451 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #692 of 2397 🔗

Brilliant!

121563 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #693 of 2397 🔗

or partners plural?

121500 ▶▶ matt, replying to Basics, 2, #694 of 2397 🔗

My guess is: minimum number to enable average sized family to meet at least one grandparent.

122075 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Basics, #695 of 2397 🔗

Two parents, two children, two grandparents. Something as simple and ridiculous as that maybe. Too bad if you have 3 children, one grandparent has to stay home.

122169 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Basics, #696 of 2397 🔗

They just rolled a die and that’s what it landed on.

Bugger, just read somebody made that joke 5 hours ago.

121346 Awkward Git, 14, #697 of 2397 🔗

On the Daily Mail’s top story got this comment through”

As all us sceptics have been saying all along – all the “restrictions for your own good” are anything but, just a big power grab for nefarious purposes and we have been slagged off over and over about it. This is just another turn of the screw over something that is now finished – no exponential increase in positive test rates, no increase in deaths, no increase in hospitalisations, deaths “from cover” being downgraded all over them old daily – so who is calling the shots and why?

Already 15+/2- in 2 mins.

Lots of sceptic and anti-government comments on it which is hopeful.

121359 Recusant, 40, #698 of 2397 🔗

Illegal to freely associate. Illegal. Let that sink in for a minute.

I firmly believe that smashing up fundamental liberties is worse than the pandemic. We only die once, but the loss of liberties diminishes civilisation again and again and again. This tyranny of the majority disgusts me.

121361 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #699 of 2397 🔗

In the UK, the heart of that effort is at the Harwell Science Campus, on an ex-RAF airbase in Oxfordshire.
It is going to be the UK’s Vaccines Manufacturing and Innovation Centre (VMIC), plans for which have been brought forward by Covid-19.
“We’ve really compressed the timeline into almost half. So whereas we were expecting to have it ready at the end of 2022, we’re now hoping to have it online in 2021,” explains Matthew Duchars, chief executive of VMIC.

ie Money spinner

121375 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #700 of 2397 🔗

Just down the road from me. Hope there are no bio leaks.

121381 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Sarigan, 9, #701 of 2397 🔗

Just wear a mask, you’ll be fine.

121510 ▶▶ kf99, replying to Dan Clarke, #702 of 2397 🔗

And millions going the wealthy M4 corridor. Levelling up indeed. A bit like the Crick institute that could have gone to any northern city… no, Kings Cross in London will do nicely

121362 Liam, replying to Liam, 29, #703 of 2397 🔗

I think the Monty Python “Yorkshiremen” sketch needs to be updated with a new theme: “Competitive Lockdowners!”

“I’m so scared of Covid I’ve been living in an airtight box for six months.”

“Hah! That’s nothing! I’m so scared of my Grandkids giving me Covid I burnt their house down in the middle of the night while wearing a hazmat suit from NASA!”

“You lot don’t know you’re born! I’m so scared of Covid I remove all my internal organs every morning and boil them for six hours, spray them with Dettol then put them back in my chest cavity and go straight back to bed!”

Etc, etc, ad nauseum, for ever, and ever, and ever.

121438 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Liam, 3, #704 of 2397 🔗

Luxury.

121514 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Liam, 5, #705 of 2397 🔗

Your lucky, I removed my internal organs six months ago and have been keeping them in the freezer

121522 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Cecil B, 2, #706 of 2397 🔗

‘It’s only a scratch…’

121580 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Cecil B, 2, #707 of 2397 🔗

Ooh, get you with your la-di-da “freezer”.

121520 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Liam, 4, #708 of 2397 🔗

I thought humour had been banned? It is in schools. Top marks, made me chuckle. More please…

121684 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Liam, #709 of 2397 🔗

I,

121696 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to David Grimbleby, 4, #710 of 2397 🔗

The above I is a slip of the keyboard.. forth Yorkshireman, I’m so scared of the COVID” I killed myself”

121365 Andrew, 9, #711 of 2397 🔗

Planned all along: Where are the MPs opposing these evil restrictions?

121368 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 8, #712 of 2397 🔗

This is worth repeating.
In about 2007 a flu season was lasting longer than usual and the press were starting to notice.
With great media fanfare the government appointed a Flu Tzar to knock heads together in the NHS to keep the public safe*.

I spoke to a senior medic about this and he said it was all rubbish, they’d got it under control and cases had been declining for three weeks.
Lo and behold a week later the Flu Tzar was on telly saying how his resolute action had saved the nation.

*I believe we are st this point now in slow motion replay. For the sake of this theatrically hancock and the rest intend to remove our right to free assembly for ‘the foreseeable future’.

121466 ▶▶ Will, replying to karenovirus, 1, #713 of 2397 🔗

That is what has been going on since April when they realised they had panicked, the virus wasn’t nearly as dangerous as the Chinese had led everyone to believe, they had chucked thousands of sick people into care homes and, thereby, they had killed thousands more.

121369 NonCompliant, replying to NonCompliant, 17, #714 of 2397 🔗

Come on Toby. It’s about time you, Delingpole, Dolan and all the other sceptics helped encourage people to get out on the streets at the London Demo 26th September. I’m going down, I’ve had enough of this crap but we’re going to need a sizeable crowd to get the message home to these moron’s (99% of Parliament) currently in positions of power.

121382 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to NonCompliant, 11, #715 of 2397 🔗

we need a new party formed. doesn’t need any candidates as election is so far away. just needs to put the wind up the cons and labour that there is an alternative

121387 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to steve_w, 2, #716 of 2397 🔗

I thought the Brexit Party were going to morph into some sort of Freedom Party or did I just make that up? If ever we needed someone with the energy and passion of a Nigel Farage, it is now.

121403 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to kh1485, #717 of 2397 🔗

what is nigels position on this? anyone know?

121408 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to steve_w, #718 of 2397 🔗

Not sure, he seems more concerned about illegal immigration right now. I am hoping he is on manoeuvres …

121409 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to steve_w, 3, #719 of 2397 🔗

He seems to be fully supportive of the government position – unfortunately!

121463 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Kev, #720 of 2397 🔗

he’s done his bit. maybe he doesn’t want to be falsely painted as a conspiracy theorist

Toby is doing great stuff and he knows the people that can do this. at least start a party and get some crowdfunding going

121546 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Kev, 1, #721 of 2397 🔗

especially if you can’t have six or more in a dinghy

123223 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Kev, #722 of 2397 🔗

He’s been bloody useless on this so far.
However, a glimmer of hope today :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3LNpCXTB1M
Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage: “We can’t close the whole country down to protect those that maybe at risk. I fear that these restrictions are the beginning of another lockdown. That would be a disaster”.

121394 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to NonCompliant, 6, #723 of 2397 🔗

I am also attending, could we not have a LS group. We are all bemoaning the situation so we need to walk the walk, so to speak, and do something. I don’t want to sit here in the future, if it really goes t¥ts up, and say, what did you do, nothing.

121457 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to NonCompliant, 2, #724 of 2397 🔗

There are some protests / rallies planned this weekend. Including one featuring Piers Corbyn – it will be interesting to see if he gets arrested 3 weekends in a row.

121553 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Darryl, 2, #725 of 2397 🔗

I saw something in Evening Standard last night that Piers Corbyn was being charged with a protest that occurred May 9th. Are the authorities using the 10K fine retrospectively?
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/piers-corbyn-lockdown-protest-charge-met-police-coronavirus-a4541881.html

121370 TJN, 15, #726 of 2397 🔗

Yet another email to my MP:

Dear Mr Cox,

Following the government announcement last evening regarding social gatherings, my partner [ Mrs TJN ] and I would like to invite you, your family and team around here for a coffee morning. We can accommodate up to about 12 visitors.

If, by any chance, the government declares a curfew in these parts, we would be delighted to have you around for dinner, after which we can discuss various matters into the small hours.

Yours till next time,
A former Conservative voter.

121378 Andrew, 9, #727 of 2397 🔗

Planned all along: These political functionaries have been told in no uncertain terms by people far above their pay grade that the Covid Panic is to be maintained. They have been authorized to use police oppression if necessary.

121379 Telpin, replying to Telpin, #728 of 2397 🔗

How do you get in touch with Deborah Cohen?

121421 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Telpin, #729 of 2397 🔗

Google her and there’s an email address on her website

121385 reason, replying to reason, 6, #730 of 2397 🔗

Apologies if this has been covered previously but I suspect that most business people confronted with an sudden increase of 64% in one day would suspect a faulty batch of testing kits or something else being seriously amiss rather than just placidly accepting the results (with, in Mr Dimwhittys case, a certain amount go glee).

121506 ▶▶ matt, replying to reason, 3, #731 of 2397 🔗

If your data looks like that, the first assumption is that the data is wrong. Only after you’ve eliminated all the possible ways in which the data could be wrong would you begin to assume there was any reflection of reality.

121391 Strange Days, 1, #732 of 2397 🔗

Apologies if already posted but there are some very clear graphs here

http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/

121392 p02099003, 2, #733 of 2397 🔗

We are the BORis Government, you will be assimilated into the collective, resistance is Futile.

121395 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 5, #734 of 2397 🔗

Where do they find all these people to test? I’ve said it before – but it seems fishy to me. I know three people who’ve been for a test recently, and they said they were the only ones there.

121400 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Banjones, 2, #735 of 2397 🔗

Just seen a local news story about our local testing centre being overwhelmed, then shut, last night as people had been directed there from across the country. Huge tailbacks. I have never seen anyone there before!
https://www.telford-live.com/2020/09/huge-queues-in-telford-for-covid-testing-centre/

121402 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Banjones, 3, #736 of 2397 🔗

More Papaya’s out there than we realise

121404 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Banjones, 5, #737 of 2397 🔗

The testing stations are a virtue signal to the rest of the world, that the ( insert country ) govt. are in control of the situation. They’re theatre.

121413 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Banjones, #738 of 2397 🔗

My brother lives in Burnley. A ‘testing station’ was set up in the car park of the large Tesco store in the town. People were queuing round the block to be tested…..

121472 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to T. Prince, 3, #739 of 2397 🔗

“If you get it, you will die”
“If I’ve had a test, I’ll be ok – for ever”

Same idiot mindset.

121509 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #740 of 2397 🔗

Or at least until next weeks test…

121503 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to T. Prince, 3, #741 of 2397 🔗

Isn’t it peculiar that people WANT to be tested, knowing that it could result in them, their family, their colleagues, their friends, etc, all being banged up?

121691 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Banjones, 1, #742 of 2397 🔗

I know someone who tests prison inmates. A captive audience – literally.

121903 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Banjones, #743 of 2397 🔗

My local testing station has been tumbleweed city since it opened yet a care home worker whose required weekly test did not arrive in the post was directed to a station 150 miles away to get one.
Meanwhile she cannot work.

121931 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Banjones, 2, #744 of 2397 🔗

No one is being tested anywhere it’s a giant lie.

121398 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 2, #745 of 2397 🔗

Doubt anyone needed convincing, but it really is the case of lions led by jack asses

121417 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to T. Prince, 1, #746 of 2397 🔗

I’m just speculating: but is this not reminiscent of the English national football team and their ability to win the Euro or World Cup.

Recently England got to the Semi Final and I think that was because the coach was someone who knew first hand the cost of critical failure. He knew the mindset and approach to take.

Like I said just speculation but maybe it is national trait to employ idiots until a catastrophe rights the ship.

121422 ▶▶ RickH, replying to T. Prince, 6, #747 of 2397 🔗

Lions? What lions?

I can mainly see the highly coloured retreating arses of baboons.

121448 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to RickH, 2, #748 of 2397 🔗

Thanks for bringing me to my senses!

121406 PaulH, replying to PaulH, 25, #749 of 2397 🔗

“Don’t kill your gran!”

Bit rich coming from a government that happily sent infected people into care homes this spring.

121416 ▶▶ Kev, replying to PaulH, 1, #750 of 2397 🔗

Was that from Governor Cuomo’s playbook?

121571 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Kev, 1, #751 of 2397 🔗

It certainly happened in New York but I’m not sure if it was before or after it happened here. There were many other places around the world where it happened also. Strange that such an obviously disastrous policy would be made in so many places…

121722 ▶▶▶ Caramel, replying to Kev, 1, #752 of 2397 🔗

It started in Italy I think. France and Spain did the same thing. I think that even Sweden might have. Many of the Democrats copied Cuomo’s lead.

121420 ▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to PaulH, 14, #753 of 2397 🔗

Why is it only granny that gets the primary concern? What about grandpa?

I think I’ll start a campaign – #EveryGrandparent’sLifeMatters

I’ll let you know how it goes …

122172 ▶▶▶ Stuart Barker, replying to HaylingDave, 2, #754 of 2397 🔗

Especially since Grandpa is actually much more at risk… but hey, facts don’t count, it’s emotional blackmail that matters

121505 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to PaulH, 1, #755 of 2397 🔗

Thin end of the wedge Mark. The killings have just begun. The Great Reset. Killing on an industrial scale that will make The Holocaust seem like a footnote.

500 people a day are dying of cancer.
180 of heart disease.
20 by suicide (up 100% this year).
3 with (not OF) Covid.

121750 ▶▶ Mark, replying to PaulH, #756 of 2397 🔗

Another new Mark?

122159 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Mark, #757 of 2397 🔗

It’s starting to feel like an episode of Hustle or Leverage here.

121773 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to PaulH, #758 of 2397 🔗

and isolate them from family for months on end. Think, being jailed and put into isolation 24 – 7. It is unfair especially if you have done nothing wrong and INHUMAN

121407 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 7, #759 of 2397 🔗

I’m preparing an e-mail to my MP, asking him to vote against the renewal of the Coronavirus Act. I don’t have the faintest hope that he’ll do it, but (i) I hope to at least plant some doubt in his mind, and (ii) I don’t want it to be said that I did nothing while our liberties were being ground into powder. I’d appreciate any feedback on the draft so far, copied below:

Dear [my MP],

As my MP, I am writing to ask you to vote against the renewal of the Coronavirus Act powers if and when you get the opportunity to do so later this month. I well understand that the novel coronavirus presents a significant health risk to vulnerable people, but that risk has to be understood in the context of the risks inherent in living a normal life, and of the deleterious effects of this act.

You don’t need me to tell you that the powers afforded to the government under this act represent an extraordinary incursion into our fundamental freedoms, impinging on our rights to liberty, family life, religious practice and political association, at least (articles 5, 8, 9 and 11 of the Human Rights Act 1998). Moreover, in the period that this legislation has been in force the laws governing us have repeatedly been made and changed by ministerial decree, with barely any parliamentary scrutiny except on a retrospective basis. This is not a situation that should persist in a supposedly free country.

The original rationale for the unprecedented measures in this act was that they were needed to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed. Whatever the original merits of this reasoning, it does not apply now: the government’s own data show that deaths, hospital admissions, bed occupancy and ventilator usage have all tailed off dramatically and not picked up in any significant sense with the relaxation of lockdown measures. The recent fixation on a supposed increase in “cases” is just the latest example during this epidemic of the goalposts being moved. What conclusions should anyone be drawing from this “increase” when there has been a relentless increase in the number of tests carried out, and when even a relatively small number of false positives can produce a statistically significant effect when the prevalence of the virus is as low as it is now?

But in fact, there is very good reason to believe that the measures were unnecessary in the first place. Again, according to the government’s own data , COVID-19 deaths peaked on 8 April. Given that multiple studies have shown the mean time from infection to death to be around three weeks, this means that new infections peaked at least a week before the Prime Minister’s speech of 23 March. In other words, the R number was brought below 1 without the need for the measures contained in this act, and in fact well before they were announced by the PM. The Chief Medical Officer for England admitted as much in evidence to the Health and Social Care Committee on 21 July. The conclusion is unavoidable that the virus can be kept under control without the need for the powers contained in this act and, given how objectionable the act is on its own terms, that this is what should be done.

Your sincerely,
[me]

121594 ▶▶ annie, replying to mattghg, 2, #760 of 2397 🔗

Can I borrow your most excellent letter?
My MP is a total tosser and would vote for Auschwitz if he was told to, but he might was well get a hint that not all his constituents are morons.

121834 ▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to annie, #761 of 2397 🔗

Yes by all means, although for my part I don’t consider this letter quite finished yet. For instance, I’m hoping that someone will be able to suggest a pithy one-paragraph comment about the effects on the economy. Also, in another comment on this thread BobT makes some good points about the PCR test that I might work in.

121410 DRW, replying to DRW, 20, #762 of 2397 🔗

This must be what mid-1930s Germany felt like- facts don’t matter anymore, just relentless narrative pushing. The next authoritarian screw-turn is always just another excuse away. Opposition hopes are fading as the majority have been successfully brainwashed and as seen in several recent videos, ‘undesireables’ are actively shamed by authorities and the public alike. Subconciously encouraged by lacking conformity symbols. Medico-fascism in action, as now being fully implemented in Melbourne.

How long before they start mass internet censorship to ‘counter dangerous disinformation’?

121511 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to DRW, 5, #763 of 2397 🔗

Stand Up X – an anti lockdown movement have had their Facebook page removed today (they had tens of thousands of followers). The social media purge has started – 1930s Germany here we come.

121533 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Darryl, #764 of 2397 🔗

That’s just the Universe punishing them for using Facebook in the first place.

121542 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Darryl, 1, #765 of 2397 🔗

They have been organising protests around the country.
This surely ties in with the max. 6 at social gatherings rule announced – demos and protests are going to be heavily policed.

121581 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DRW, 4, #766 of 2397 🔗

They have been censoring anything that goes against the official narrative across all media platforms with a viciousness and efficiency that is mind blowing since February.

121415 Miss Owl, replying to Miss Owl, 6, #767 of 2397 🔗

Interesting story on the BBC at the moment (expect they’ll take it off) about one of the poor sods on the OU/AZ study ending up in hospital with transverse myelitis. It’s a neurological disorder, so I’m wondering what the heck is in that vaccine that caused the development of that.

Will I have the vaccine? Err, how about ‘No’.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-54082192

121427 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Miss Owl, 2, #768 of 2397 🔗

That’s probably the Thimerosol, or maybe the Squalene, or the Aluminum adjuvant.

121449 ▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Kev, 2, #769 of 2397 🔗

Ah, so I needn’t worry then?

121485 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Kev, -1, #770 of 2397 🔗

Aluminium salts have been used for over 60 years as an adjuvant, without it the immune response only lasts a short while.

121530 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to p02099003, 2, #771 of 2397 🔗

They have.

Are there any long term double blind safety trials on injecting aluminium, John ?

121846 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to JohnB, 1, #772 of 2397 🔗

Doesn’t aluminium have adverse effects on the brain function leading to dementia etc?

https://supplementpolice.com/aluminum-toxicity-in-brains/

“There are several dangers associated with aluminum toxicity in the brain . Some of the major dangers include the following:

  • It may lead to the early onset of Alzheimer’s disease (AD) and may affect an individual’s memory.
  • It can slow growth in children because when it accumulates in the brain, liver, thyroid, and kidneys it competes for absorption with calcium. This has the potential of affecting skeletal mineralization.
  • It can lead to a variety of mental impairments such as dementia, Parkinson’s disease, and autism.
  • It may lead to the patient experiencing speech impairments and becoming unable to clearly communicate with others.

Where does the rise in aluminium and other heavy metals in humans come from? Naturally? Chemtrails?

https://climateviewer.com/2015/03/15/aluminum-barium-and-chemtrails-explained-just-the-facts/

With fluoride intake it is even worse:

https://bebrainfit.com/fluoride-neurotoxin/

“In the 1970s, autopsies revealed that Alzheimer’s patients had higher than normal concentrations of neurotoxic aluminum in their brains.
It’s now understood that fluoride may play a role in the aluminum-Alzheimer’s connection.
The blood-brain barrier is a semipermeable membrane designed to keep foreign substances — like fluoride and aluminum — out of the brain.”

Does this account for the “unexplained” rise in dementia patients in the past 20 years?

Or does this explain the population’s docility?:

http://www.poisonpaste.com/fluoride-nazi-link.php

“At the end of the Second World War, the United States Government sent Charles Elliot Perkins, a research worker in chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology, to take charge of the vast Farben chemical plants in Germany. While there, he was told by German chemists of a scheme which had been worked out by them during the war and adopted by the German General Staff.

“This scheme was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water. In this scheme, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place.

“Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual’s power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotising a certain area of the brain, and will thus make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him.

“Both the Germans and the Russians added fluoride to the drinking water of prisoners of war to make them stupid and docile.”

All “conspiracy theories”.

121492 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Miss Owl, 2, #773 of 2397 🔗

Is that a positive ‘No’, or a negative ‘No’? Will I need to retest it fifty times to be sure? 😉

121771 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Miss Owl, 1, #774 of 2397 🔗

These people participating in these trials are idiots. Often not possible to heal neurological damage

121809 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Miss Owl, 2, #775 of 2397 🔗

There is already an association between the HPV vaccine and transverse myelitis (a severe auto-immune disorder).

“HPV Vaccine and transverse myelitis:-
Transverse myelitis (TM) is the paradigm of inflammatory myelopathy, in which an immune-mediated process causes neural injury to the spinal cord, resulting in varying degrees of weakness, sensory alterations, and autonomic dysfunction. TM may exist as part of a multifocal central nervous system disease (e.g., multiple sclerosis), multisystemic disease (e.g., SLE), or as an isolated idiopathic entity [ 141 ]. A recent review (2014) summarizes nine published cases of CNS demyelination, including not only myelitis but also optic neuritis and encephalitis, following HPV vaccination [ 142 ]. There are previous reports of CNS inflammatory syndromes following HPV vaccination describing a 10-day to 5-month time lapse from vaccination to symptom onset, with a minimum of a 21-day interval in cases developing myelitis. For instance, a 14-year-old immunocompetent girl noticed her left hand felt weak and numb, after 3 days of a first dose of HPV vaccine (Gardasil®) and these symptoms spread to the rest of her arm and ipsilateral thoracic region, abdomen, and leg. On a medical examination, the girl had bilateral diminished sensation to light touch, pain, and vibration below C5 level; muscle weakness of her left arm and leg; and hyperreflexia bilaterally with nonsustained clonus and a left extensor plantar response. Neurologic examination was otherwise normal. The relationship between HPV vaccination and subsequent CNS inflammation remains unclear. In the genesis of CNS inflammatory disorders post-HPV vaccination, both molecular mimicry between vaccine antigen and myelin proteins and toxic materials in vaccine components can represent potential causative factors [ 143 ]. Regarding etiology, the patient was immunocompetent and there were no systemic signs of infection. The absence of cells in CSF analysis and the presence of oligoclonal bands with an increased nonspecific immunoglobulin M ratio suggested a background of a CNS inflammatory condition; however, the mechanism of disease, whether viral-induced or immune-mediated, remains to be determined.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5607155/

121419 John P, replying to John P, 23, #776 of 2397 🔗

I’m sick and tired of the relentless propaganda.
I’m sick and tired of the relentless stupidity.
I’m sick and tired of the relentless fearmongering.
I’m sick and tired of the relentless dictats.

I’ve really had enough of this.
I’ve just had enough of this, I really have.

Can nothing be done?

Can nothing be done to end the propaganda?
Can nothing be done to end the stupidity?
Can nothing be done to end the fearmongering?
Can nothing be done to end the dictats?

Is this going to be our lives forever from now on?

For myself I see no point in continuing to quote and analyse statistics. I’m a “science”
graduate, a reasonably intelligent man. But what is the point, when that blond pig who thinks he can tell us what to do just listens to rubbish?

What I think doesn’t matter!

I probably ought to have the prostate test. I am over 50 and my dad has prostate cancer just now. I have had grumblings in my abdomen since February. It may well be nothing, but I know that there will be nannies out there saying I should be tested.

But again, what’s the point? I am single, likely to stay that way. I have no dependents. I don’t really matter that much to anyone. Some members of my family, perhaps, but I’m not a really significant individual in anyone’s life.

And I’m not wearing a muzzle to go to the doctors. They can f*ck right off.

I have decided to avoid it. I may well not be ill anyway, but I would give up any treatment that I might need to a man with a wife and children. Because a cancer crisis for sure is on the way. I don’t really matter that much and I feel that I might be doing something for someone.

I’m not going to comment again today. Thank you.

121469 ▶▶ TJN, replying to John P, 9, #777 of 2397 🔗

Hey John, hang on in there. If you feel you need to go to the doctor’s just go, unmuzzled – at least let them refuse the appointment.

Darkest hour is right before the dawn and what you worry about generally never happens.

Best wishes for your Dad – he probably appreciates you more than ever now.

121476 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to John P, 11, #778 of 2397 🔗

What you think does matter. It certainly does to me, a fellow sceptic using this site to keep myself sane and informed.

I hear you when you say it feels like nothing can be done, especially when they impose more restrictions instead of lifting them. But it does seem like more and more people are at the end of their tether with it and are questioning the rules and the ‘science’ more, even if they are not what we would call full sceptics.

I hope your dad gets the treatment he needs.

121487 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to EssieSW, 5, #779 of 2397 🔗

Lovely comment Essie, I totally agree and echo what you are saying. John, please keep your chin up mate, Arnie.

121585 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to EssieSW, 4, #780 of 2397 🔗

I endorse all that.
Just been around in my little town, chatting. Shopkeepers and people generally are definitely getting fed up with all this bollox. Don’t sit at home and despair. Do your bit by pushing the alternative narrative: truth not lies, courage not fear, life not living death.
And SMILE. Every smile is a kick landed on Boris’s bottom.

121513 ▶▶ Nsklent, replying to John P, 3, #781 of 2397 🔗

Just having a cup of tea and read your comment which brought a tear to the eye. Wish I could say something that would make you feel better, but if some solace can be taken in that you are far from alone, and I would say we are the silent, angry majority, the majority being the operative word. I take some reassurance that when reading comments in different newspapers, they are so far more sceptical and angry than say even 2 months ago, the tide will turn, and more so if they end furlough and other cushioning measures. It will get better.

121525 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to John P, #782 of 2397 🔗

John, you have tried the contact/dating sites, yes ?

121534 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to John P, 1, #783 of 2397 🔗

I heard on the radio yesterday that prostrate cancer referrals are sharply down. I guess the same will be for other cancers. Cancer hasn’t gone away even if the NHS ignored it for months

121687 ▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to John P, 1, #784 of 2397 🔗

I fully understand how you feel right now. But don’t think you aren’t worthy. You sound like a lovely man, and I wish you were a neighbour or friend that I could talk to. I had a bit of a breakdown yesterday, with the hopelessness of it all. My husband totally feels the same too. He needs to do a once simple, enjoyable task of visiting the shops to get his mum a birthday gifts but that is a joyless, soulless experience now, faced with added agro because he mask exempt. But don’t lose heart. There is positivity all around us. Even though we are physically invisible to each other, we are many, and we WILL win! Look after your health as best as you can – we all need that more than anything now. Keep your energy up and allow yourself bad days. We’re all together in spirit.

122734 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to John P, 1, #785 of 2397 🔗

Don’t say that, I noticed you had gone and wondered where. I thought I spotted you commenting on H Drummond’s site, assumed you’d gone there for a bit. Now I’ve caught up with yesterday’s comments, realise you’d withdrawn, feeling depressed. – altho hadn’t realised it had been as long as 2 months! Chin up John P, I value your comments and despatches from Leicester, obvious others do, too.

121425 Locked down and out, replying to Locked down and out, 5, #786 of 2397 🔗

Did anyone else see Isabel Oakshott put Anna Botting in her place last evening on Sky’s paper review?
Certainly had Botting flustered that someone should have the temerity to say they weren’t bothered in the slightest about a rise in infections.

121461 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Locked down and out, 1, #787 of 2397 🔗

Yes, and Isabel (two boys in my house are very large fans!) also mentioned about evidence suggesting the virus is losing its virulence – to which Anna Botting clearly got a message in her earpiece from the producer to counter with ‘the evidence is mixed’. I thought Anna Botting, Steve Dixon and Gillian Joseph have been noticeably edgy of late. Of course Sky is now part of Comcast, whose CEO/Chairman is a big Hillary and Democrat supporter:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_L._Roberts

I don’t agree with everything Isabel says, but she is very good at getting her point across.

121428 HaylingDave, replying to HaylingDave, 5, #788 of 2397 🔗

I’ve just seen:

“UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson is to give a press conference at 16:00BST”

So there are minor queries about the max-6 guidance, but this makes me think that he’ll be announcing other restrictions as well.

Hmmmmm …

121437 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to HaylingDave, 4, #789 of 2397 🔗

Better go and buy some toilet roll.

121445 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Achilles, 3, #790 of 2397 🔗

Yes, I heard it gives you dystopia…

121471 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #791 of 2397 🔗

The toilet roll that they stock under the magazines certainly does.

121470 ▶▶ Basics, replying to HaylingDave, 6, #792 of 2397 🔗

Annoucement handled badly on purpose to increase sense of dread and foreboding?

It has been often said that the communications are awful. So must be just incompetence. Except I don’t buy it. Deliberate manipulative behaviour. Cause confusion people are more suggestable.

121483 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Basics, 4, #793 of 2397 🔗

Yep you’re on the money Basics. These people are entirely COMPETENNT, Boris, Hancock, all of them. They are just not competent in the way that we expect them to be. In the same way that Harold Shipman was ‘competent’, he was certainly a very nice man… Oh wait….

121499 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to HaylingDave, 4, #794 of 2397 🔗

BST stands for Bullshit Time

121519 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to HaylingDave, #795 of 2397 🔗

I’m more worried they will switch the Air bridges for mandatory testing on arrival at £150

121601 ▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to HaylingDave, #796 of 2397 🔗

bet you there’s extra security on hand today.

123161 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to HaylingDave, #797 of 2397 🔗

N

121433 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #798 of 2397 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWYUAbnrdnA
12 Year Old Girl Beaten Up By Police For Social Distancing Violation

121512 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #799 of 2397 🔗

in Hong Kong, Stephen.

121442 HelenaHancart, replying to HelenaHancart, 16, #800 of 2397 🔗

Something occurred to me….Didn’t little Matty say a couple of weeks ago that those on low incomes in certain areas, would get £13 per day for 10-14 days if they tested positive and had to isolate? Today in the Evening Standard he said that there was a 25% increase in non-eligible people requiring tests, ones that have no symptoms! Apart from all the test result chicanery, aren’t we back to “more people getting tested, more positive test results!” Especially if there is an incentive. Or maybe I’m miles off the mark – it’s getting hard to keep up these days!

121452 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to HelenaHancart, 8, #801 of 2397 🔗

Haha – all those 17-21 year-olds (Dr Peter wrote something about this yesterday) back from their cheap overseas trips, no other means of income before returning to College/Uni thinking they might be eligible for pocket money?

121762 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to HelenaHancart, #802 of 2397 🔗

ahh, the penny dropped…..

121450 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #803 of 2397 🔗

Francois Balloux’s sharp response to the Sturgis bike event..

https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1303495165647163393

121459 ▶▶ Liam, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #804 of 2397 🔗

The “Sturgis Superspreader of DEATH!” piece was an utter disgrace even by current journalistic “standards”. More reality below:

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2020/09/01/oh-the-horror-sturgis-motorcycle-rally-covid-19-numbers-are-in-and-they-are-shocking-n870757

121453 SmokeandMirrors, replying to SmokeandMirrors, 1, #805 of 2397 🔗

Any religious festivals coming up?

121817 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to SmokeandMirrors, 3, #806 of 2397 🔗

Quite a big one in December, celebrating the creator of the Universe becoming man to redeem the whole universe. If the “temporary” restrictions are revoked by then I’m a magi.

121455 mjr, 2, #807 of 2397 🔗

Alex Belfield on Piers Morgan – quite an interesting analysis of our much respected breakfast show host

121460 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #809 of 2397 🔗

Edinburghlive published a lengthy article yesterday about ‘conspiratorial networks’ at the centre of the recent Holyrood protest.

Unusually long for edinbutghlive and completely biased. Full of smears linking the protest to all the usual conspiracies.

A clear propaganda piece.

It set itself up as a reveal for the online networks. The article says one facebook group has 10,000 members. Other groups were mentioned. With the use of CrowdTangle-like tools I would expect the edinbutghlive/77 journalists found LS pages informative to their article, we weren’t mentioned.

As someone who was there at relaxed, happy Holyrood event it was noticeable to me that a very few protestors didn’t seem to belong. Alone and holding signs that seemed a little cookie. I see one of these people shows up in the Edinburghlive article, just feels suspicious to me, but that’s the nature of this situation.

Another couple wore the full face anti-capitalist moustached black and white mask. These seemed entirely out of place – but are a strong symbol in the public’s mind. Their picture has not appeared in the press. These people may have just been expressing themselves.

The article was a full effort, bells and whistles to propaganize against critical thinking. Look at those horrible people – you don’t want to look like them. Stick with the herd.

121507 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Basics, 1, #810 of 2397 🔗

There were a few seriously odd people (again solo) at London on 29th too. One chap had a megaphone and his own photographer, ffs.

To me, the V for Vendetta masks promote the destruction of a tyranny – so fair enough. 🙂

(Did you see my last comment on yesterday’s blog, Basics ? It would be so traumatic if you thought I am promoting riots. 🙂 ).
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121516 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to JohnB, #811 of 2397 🔗

V for vandetta thanks! I seem them as a uniformed shorthand for something.

Not seen comment yesterday. Was it good?

121462 Matt Mounsey, replying to Matt Mounsey, -2, #813 of 2397 🔗

I’m really happy but also quite surprised to see Toby recommend Virus Mania by Torsten Engelbrecht.

It’s a great book but it’s central thesis is that there is no evidence that viruses cause disease because they have never been properly isolated and purified. In fact, the book postulates that viruses are excreted by cells in response to other stimuli, such as heavy metals or poor nutrition.

It’s well worth a read but the central thesis is so radical that Toby might as well investigate the possibility that 5G is causing the “pandemic”.

121497 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Matt Mounsey, 2, #814 of 2397 🔗

A German Court ruled recently that there is no proof the measles virus exists and causes measles.

Your association of one theory with a different theory (about something else) is quite ‘msm’ in its tarring, Matt.

124619 ▶▶▶ Matt Mounsey, replying to JohnB, #815 of 2397 🔗

Did you think I was being sarcastic? I’m not at all. I just said the theory was radical. That’s not a bad thing. I’m not tarring anything. I think the 5G theory should be well tested.

If you actually read the book I’m sure you’ll come to the same conclusion. All theories need to be explored if we reject the premise that microbes carry viruses that cause disease.

Most interesting for me was the arctic expedition that spontaneously developed cases of common cold coronavirus after having been in isolation for 16 weeks.

Shows we know very little about the cause of these things and that Pasteur’s theory may not be true at all.

As for calling me ‘msm’, well that’s just being silly.

121464 nowhereman, replying to nowhereman, 2, #816 of 2397 🔗

Health Secretary Matt Hancock has given a bit more detail on how the government plans to tighten enforcement around hospitality businesses in England.
He says it will become compulsory for venues to take customer contact details for track and trace .
It has been voluntary, he says, and some businesses had chosen not to take details.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-54083725

121478 ▶▶ tallandbald, replying to nowhereman, 3, #817 of 2397 🔗

Makes no odds to me – still M. Mouse c/o 3 Happy St, Disneyland!

122913 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to tallandbald, 1, #818 of 2397 🔗

Yes. Transposed phone digits, and signed “Neddy Weetabix” or “Sebastian Seagoon” (Thanks to Frederick Forsyth for the ideas). The transposed numbers work even if the pub insists on seeing ID. Book your table online with your contact being a spare email address only.

Better still, go to a place that doesn’t know you, and walk out when they demand the details.

My favourite cafe just leaves all the contact and sanitising stuff on a table and you can just walk past it if you wish. They fully understand which side of their vest the holes are coming from, and who pays their bills.

121504 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to nowhereman, 4, #819 of 2397 🔗

M. Hancock is going to be visiting a lot of pubs, isn’t he?

121515 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 10, #820 of 2397 🔗

“Papers please” – nearly there.

122919 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Sam Vimes, #821 of 2397 🔗

Love it! I hadn’t thought of that one, I shall pinch it forthwith.

121543 ▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to nowhereman, 4, #822 of 2397 🔗

It’s probably going to make a huge difference, this latest edict. Every joint I’ve been into recently has asked for details anyway.

QR code readers I avoid, and simply ask to provide written details (they can ask me to leave if this isn’t acceptable – but hasn’t happened yet).

And – of course – I provide details of my summer holiday home – #10 D. Street, London.

121766 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to nowhereman, 2, #823 of 2397 🔗

I’m usually two people when I fill these things in – Neil Ferguson and Antonia Staats.

121768 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to nowhereman, 1, #824 of 2397 🔗

So funny

121468 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #825 of 2397 🔗

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/08/world/covid-19-coronavirus.html#link-313b443d

This is from NYTimes and I doubt this is fake news. Astra Zeneca lost 8% share value.
And interesting to see how the competitors are going to do.
This must be serious blow to “the vaccine at all cost agenda”. They might try to make it not vaccine related using clever statistics but the genie is out of the bottle. There is no way to easily persuade people not in the risk groups to have the vaccine including HCW

 “A person familiar with the situation, and who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that the participant had been enrolled in a Phase 2/3 trial based in the United Kingdom. The individual also said that a volunteer in the U.K. trial had been found to have transverse myelitis, an inflammatory syndrome that affects the spinal cord and is often sparked by viral infections. However, the timing of this diagnosis, and whether it was directly linked to AstraZeneca’s vaccine, is unclear.”

121747 ▶▶ DespairSquid, replying to swedenborg, 3, #826 of 2397 🔗

And the participants are in the prime of health with a well-functioning immune system, in low risk age ranges and with no co-morbidities. Bodes well…

121933 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to DespairSquid, 4, #827 of 2397 🔗

Astra Zeneca’s nightmare for the vaccine must be serious neurological reaction like transverse myelitis or Guillain-Barre syndrome . The latter destroyed the whole US swineflu vaccination campaign in 1976. The incidence rate of transverse myelitis is 1-to-5 per million, so the chance of it appearing randomly in the current trial cohort (11,000) is at best 1 in 20 . However,it seems to have occurred recently, and the female has been admitted to hospital in the UK,so very likely symptoms closely after vaccine,which naturally is not a proof of cause but very bad for Astra Zeneca

122907 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to swedenborg, #828 of 2397 🔗

“…very bad for Astra Zeneca”?

Good. Double-plus good. With a cherry on the top.

121473 mjr, replying to mjr, 3, #829 of 2397 🔗

Excerpt from GMB this morning …. This is what sets the agenda ..
Gobshite Morgan, a right winger, a left winger and a TV doctor .
I am just going to stick my head in the oven

121477 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to mjr, 4, #830 of 2397 🔗

‘We’re gonna need a bigger oven…’.

121489 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to mjr, #831 of 2397 🔗

Do what you can to help put their heads in ovens first ! 🙂

121641 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to mjr, 1, #832 of 2397 🔗

stick them in a fucking oven

122900 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Jaguarpig, #833 of 2397 🔗

General Patton had the right idea; you don’t die for your country (ideals), you make sure that your enemy dies for his…

121482 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 13, #834 of 2397 🔗

A brief comment on ‘lockdown chic’ : the girls at the local secondary school wear what can only be described as lycra pelmets-strips of stretchy black stuff so short that it must be impossible to bend down without showing too much! Perhaps bending down is no longer necessary in modern schools.

This is now topped off by snazzy face masks in the open air.

Admittedly I’m approaching my sell by date, but this get up is positively bizarre.

And, depressingly, the masks are everywhere ;all out in the open. Sunny and fresh here today, but baring the face could be fatal!

However, my exemption badge inspires some interesting reactions: staff in some shops now address me as ‘love’ and smile benevolently, thinking I’m probably one sandwich short of a picnic.

If this continues I most probably will be.

121496 ▶▶ davews, replying to wendyk, 4, #835 of 2397 🔗

Just been down to the chemist to pick up my pills. I thought I would be ‘nice’ and put a mask on. But the elastic pulled out of the mask and left it useless so went in shop showing the bust mask. Girl who knows me at the counter. Not to worry she said, clearly understands the exemptions. Only two allowed in the shop at a time, masked chap waiting outside stared at me as I came out bare faced.

121574 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to davews, 8, #836 of 2397 🔗

Stare right back.
Bare your teeth.
He can’t bare his.

122406 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, #837 of 2397 🔗

Pull your tongue. Or blow a kiss. Or smile. Depends how you feel. 🙂

121490 Jennifer, replying to Jennifer, 5, #838 of 2397 🔗

Can we please start rioting now ?

121559 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Jennifer, #839 of 2397 🔗

Not more than six…..

121617 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to T. Prince, 4, #840 of 2397 🔗

Piers Corbyn is trying to get a massive demonstration going at the end of the month.

Those who don’t want to risk it – why not have lots of mini demonstrations on every street? Like the hideous clapping for carers, but this time protesting to end the crisis and get back to normal now.

121493 Drummerman, replying to Drummerman, 13, #841 of 2397 🔗

How to get around the ‘6 people meeting together’ BS? Say it’s a meeting of the local BLM or XR chapters … You’ll probably get a grant from the local council …

122927 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Drummerman, #842 of 2397 🔗

And carry BLM and XR banners and placards – that would get you a free pass.

121498 John Galt, replying to John Galt, 16, #843 of 2397 🔗

I’m a bit worried about the use of the term “conspiracy theory” on this site, along with the seemingly general sentiment of “not being part of the conspiracy theorists”. Let’s go over the facts of what’s going on:

– We have a virus that’s detected by a test that the creator said shouldn’t be used to detect viruses like it.
– This virus has killed less than an annual flu.
– Current news reports state that in the USA only 6% of people died solely from the virus itself, the other 94% had other conditions that essentially killed them.
– The numbers have been artificially inflated throughout.
– The parameters for measurement have gone from deaths to hospitalisations to infections to infections per 100,000.
– As the severity has gone from not even enough to be mild to completely and utterly non-existent, the laws have become ever more draconian.
– The likelihood of getting this virus as per their testing is in the 0.0’s, the likelihood of dying from it is in the 0.0000’s.

Regardless of what you think of the government’s running every single country in the world, the fact is they’re all intelligent people. To get to the level they’ve reached, you cannot be anything other than intelligent. Whether you agree with their political leanings or not isn’t relevant to their intelligence. Presented with the facts as they are, to believe this whole scam you either have to be a) clinically brain dead, b) so brainwashed by the media that you don’t have opinions of your own or c) actively working against us.

It beggars belief to read comments where people are still discussing this like it’s logical.

To come to the conclusion that a national government must be “innumerate” or that it’s a “conspiracy theory” to believe that this is part of something more is a worry in itself. What’s funnier is that they are literally saying that there needs to be a “great reset”. This isn’t shrouded in mystery anymore, they’re publically promoting it!

https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/

I quite like this place but I notice a fair few comments from people who are half in, half out, and desperately clinging to the “oh, the government are just incompetent” argument. We’ve gone far, far beyond that stage now.

121508 ▶▶ Basics, replying to John Galt, 8, #844 of 2397 🔗

I agree. Not incompetence or covering up for it.

As far as I am concerned the term CT is mesngingless and broken. It’s use is only ever to cuttail free speech. Those who use it do so without thought.

Again. We all agree that whatever the motivations are what IS happening is wrong and needs stopping.

121521 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John Galt, 10, #845 of 2397 🔗

I’m not having the panic/arse covering excuse.After 3/7 weeks the Government would have been in full possession of all the facts and could have rowed back from the restrictions with honour.That they chose to double down and continue it is patently obvious they have another agenda.
That being said after digesting the news last night I actually feel optimistic for the first time because the government has finally overreached itself.An unworkable and unenforceable law which will be ignored and has generated a lot of anger.Cant wait for those police raids arresting Grandmas visiting their Grandkids.

121584 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to John Galt, 3, #846 of 2397 🔗

You think Toby is “half in half out”? Most people that criticise conspiracy theories on here are intelligent enough to see that the people banging on about 5G, NWO and the anti-vaxxers are doing our cause more harm than good.

121726 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 1, #847 of 2397 🔗

Not only that, but CT-ers are blinded by their own pet theories. We can all “join the dots” by using disparate documents, published decades apart, by organisations with very different aims to “prove” their view is correct. And when somebody dismantles it, they rinse, adapt and pop up again with a new, amended version.

All these theories have their own internal logic, but fall flat on their arses when you look for the strategic reason behind the alleged conspiracy in the first place. The truth is always far more mundane, and dull. You’ve only got to look at the bullshit surrounding 9/11, death of Diana, Eisenhower’s “industrial-military complex” to name but three.

I understand people’s need to make sense of the shitshow, but it’s amazing how a slick, detailed, planned to the nth degree conspiracy always goes EXACTLY as planned. According to them anyway. Real life is messier than that, as Field Marshal Montgomery, another man who believed every battle went precisely as he planned, discovered with Operation Market Garden.

I accept that the Bill Gateses, Carbon Zeroes, Commie-repackers, crypto-Fascists, UBI-ers, anti-5G-ers, lizard people and all the rest, sensing an opportunity to push their individual agendas, have come crawling out of the woodwork with their pet theories and conspiracies. This does not mean we’re living in their respective dream worlds right now.

Maybe you believe MI6 decided to assassinate Princess Diana in a foreign country with the world’s press watching, or that a muppet like Dubya arranged 9/11 perfectly in eight months, or even that the world’s politicians are willingly surrendering their sovereign power to Bill Gates or who-bloody-ever when they won’t even give us our civil liberties back, but please don’t bore me with it.

I do not doubt conspiracy theorists’ passion or even their belief, but the only conspiracy out there is that the government ballsed it up, know they ballsed it up, and are hunting desperately for a way out that makes them look good. That’s what politicians do, and they do it all the time, admittedly not usually on this scale. But it doesn’t change that’s what they’re up to.

They’re incompetent fools who still believe the rest of us are onside. We can see what they’re doing and no further conspiracy is needed.

121847 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #848 of 2397 🔗

Bill Gates control of GAVI, CEPI, and the WHO is fact rather than conspiracy theory. He basically talks of his intentions to vaccinate everybody for everything all the time. The WHO is deemed as THE authority on all things ‘health’. If you control the WHO then you control the narrative. And this is what legitimises the controllers of SM to cancel anybody who says anything that contradicts any pronouncement by the WHO.

121995 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Kevin 2, #849 of 2397 🔗

Yes, but that is his view, his manifesto if you like. It doesn’t mean that he’ll get his way. And he hardly hides his views, so you can act against them if you wish.

At the end of the day, international law still prohibits mandatory vaccines.

122380 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #850 of 2397 🔗

I’m fairly sure it prohibits wars of aggression, torture, and slavery too.

122376 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nick Rose, #851 of 2397 🔗

Wow, all that, but we mustn’t bore you . 🙂

122817 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to JohnB, 1, #852 of 2397 🔗

Downvoter sense of humour bypass ?

121767 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to AngloWelshDragon, 2, #853 of 2397 🔗

Well, this is the issue. You say about a New World Order “conspiracy” like it’s insane, but I’ve literally just linked a webpage created by the World Economic Forum that discusses at length a “great reset”, aka, a new world order. The same with anti-vaxxers. Will you get the coronavirus vaccine? You’re clued up and on this website, so unlikely. But what do you think will happen once you say that in x amount of months when the vaccine is released? You’ll be branded an anti-vaxxer. People say about Bill Gates, again, like it’s a crazy thing – but it’s the same Bill Gates who’s the 2nd biggest donor to the WHO, 2nd only behind the USA. He donates more money to the WHO than the UK. I can’t speak for 5G as it’s not something I’ve ever looked into.

I see the point about potentially causing “more harm than good”, as it’s a lot to take in, and we all want this lunacy to end as soon as possible, but to see the cause as incompetence on the part of every single government in the world is shirking the issue as much as the non-sceptics.

121831 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to John Galt, 1, #854 of 2397 🔗
122385 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to John Galt, #855 of 2397 🔗

Gates also funds Imperial College, the beeb, and the graun too. Crazy tinfoilhattery I know, but worth a mention.

122373 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to AngloWelshDragon, #856 of 2397 🔗

It’s our cause too, AWD.

And I see very little, if any, banging on about 5G on here. Vaccinations and the nwo are, of course, critically relevant.

121589 ▶▶ stewart, replying to John Galt, 9, #857 of 2397 🔗

I’m torn. What governments are doing is outrageous. But let me play devil’s advocate in favour of the arse covering theory.

  • The government went for the Swedish approach and the media whipped up public opinion against the approach, forcing a U-turn. To U-turn again would be political suicide.
  • The “i’m saving lives at any cost” narrative works with most people. It’s politically much safer than let’s take the risk but keep the economy going, You know that as soon as the first teacher gets sick and ends up in IC, the government are gong to be called murderers This is just how it works.
  • The media is highly invested in the official narrative and would look just as stupid as the government if they U-turned. The little credibility they have left would evaporate.
  • The public (thanks to media and gov) are amazingly generally in favour of harsh measures, either because they are genuinely scared or because they like working from home and don’t want to go back to what we had.
  • The pharma industry is obviously very invested in this narrative and because they control every layer of the medical industry – from the doctors who they train, to the research centres which they own or fund, to the medical authorities like CDCs, SAGE, WHO, which they have stacked with their people – there will be no shortage of experts to support the current government narrative.

I’m not sure seeing all this as a planned conspiracy is helpful for two reasons.

  1. It doesn’t matter. Whether it’s planned or opportunistic or stupidity, it’s all wrong. Not because it’s planned but because lockdowns are wrong, masks are wrong, having our healthcare decisions taken away from individuals and doctors and dictated to us by the government is wrong. Regardless of how it’s all come about it’s all plain wrong.
  2. It turns some people off and we need everyone on board.
121759 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to stewart, 2, #858 of 2397 🔗

Agreed. When incompetence and the desire to sell fear reach pandemic levels it pans out as you’ve said.

122397 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to stewart, #859 of 2397 🔗

We do indeed need everyone on board.

However I would suggest how we see things does matter.

Not if its opportunistic or stupidity; but if it is planned we need to know the agenda, motive, methods, personnel, and nature of our enemies.

122785 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to stewart, #860 of 2397 🔗

Hold it right there. Boris, Cummings and the rest of his 2nd rate crew of sycophants made the decision to lockdown. All on their own. The media weren’t ravening for it at the time, and anyway, BJ doesn’t need their approval, what with himself, Gove and wife , and the rest, being as cosy with the media as all get out, and an 80 majority.

121625 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to John Galt, 6, #861 of 2397 🔗

While you here do snoring lie,
Open-eyed conspiracy his time doth take.
If of life you keep a care,
Shake off slumber and beware:
Awake, awake!

William Shakespeare

121643 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to PoshPanic, 6, #862 of 2397 🔗

Brilliant. Can we get him on Newsnight?

121645 ▶▶ Julian, replying to John Galt, 4, #863 of 2397 🔗

Half in, half out of what?

I don’t think there are many/any who post here regularly who think anything other than the lockdown has been a huge mistake and that the only sensible approach was herd immunity a la Sweden (and most would probably have gone further and done almost nothing other than provide information to the public and ramp up critical care).

Some are “half out” of “conspiracy theories”, some because they don’t believe them and some, like me, who thinks they are harder to sell and harm our cause.

I really don’t think the motivation matters too much at this stage, while we are in the position where we need to change public opinion against the lockdown.

I think we should stop arguing about it, maybe. Though it is a legitimate item for debate, and interesting, unless it affects how we tackle the challenge, it is not relevant.

Maybe we should avoid the “CT” term as it’s often intended as a smear.

121784 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Julian, 1, #864 of 2397 🔗

“Maybe we should avoid the “CT” term as it’s often intended as a smear.” – yes, this was my main point. There’s utter lunacy going on in the world and we’re still throwing around the term “conspiracy theorist” on a website where everyone agrees on the main aspect. This is a tactic the media use regularly to discredit people or groups. According to the mainstream we’re all conspiracy theorists because we don’t think corona is a deadly virus, so I have no idea why people are so worried about letting everyone know they’re not one of “them”.

122114 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to John Galt, #865 of 2397 🔗

The term is loaded and as such possibly unhelpful. Within the context of discussions on this site, I suppose it has been used to distinguish those who believe our government is following orders in some way from those who think they have managed this cockup on their own. As such, I don’t regard it as a term of abuse or use it to be dismissive, but people take it like that and it ends up being divisive. But I think it’s legitimate to debate the extent to which these views should be used in interactions with non-sceptics.

121501 Basics, replying to Basics, 7, #866 of 2397 🔗

As anothrr LS pointed out yesterday the AstraZ trial being stopped/paused/whatever because of a single issue points to a possibility of death has occured. Sad if it is the case obviously. Surely a death might jolt people from their hypnosis to realise it’s not an elablurate soap opera drama we are ensnared in here. These are real, dark times being perpetrated by dark, evil people.

There is a PR show coming to smooth out whatever has gone wrong at AstraZ.

I would value seeing comment from trial participants. There is a silence from them. I guess being gagged and masked is part of the contract.

121871 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Basics, 1, #867 of 2397 🔗

It often pays to scan the business pages at a time like this. The 8% drop in pre-market trading will be discussed later today, with analyses of whether it is an over-reaction or under-reaction and what it might mean for AZN’s bottom line. And whether it might or might be a death knell for the vaccine.

121758 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Miss Owl, 1, #869 of 2397 🔗

great article

121518 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, #870 of 2397 🔗

Jeremy Vine might be worth listening to
12.00 today. First phone-in topic.

“Has lockdown gone too far ? Is the cure worse than the disease?”

121524 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to karenovirus, #871 of 2397 🔗

You took the comment right out of my fingertips!

121539 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to EssieSW, 2, #872 of 2397 🔗

Dreadful disease, second wave, civic duty, vaccine, covidiots, rinse, repeat.

121996 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sam Vimes, #873 of 2397 🔗

Nope, none of those

121526 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to karenovirus, 4, #874 of 2397 🔗

Let me guess what the consensus is going to be? NO, lock the people down, send the army in, complete control, curfew , black shirts, people informing on their neighbors…Stay ,vigilant, stay safe, stay under control , you are FREE to do what we tell you!!!

122003 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Thomas_E, #875 of 2397 🔗

Wrong ! next

121544 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to karenovirus, 10, #876 of 2397 🔗

I’d rather poo my pants than listen to that twat

121614 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Cecil B, 1, #877 of 2397 🔗

marvellous response!

122017 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, #878 of 2397 🔗

Your sanitary arrangements are not my concern, see below.

121605 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to karenovirus, #879 of 2397 🔗

What? He hasn’t already done this?

122023 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lockdown Truth, #880 of 2397 🔗

Well he has now, might have cheered you up.
.

121987 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 2, #881 of 2397 🔗

Caught the last part of the interview with a Covidphobic Professor and sceptic Doctor who demolished him.
The prof was clearly out of his depth with a six month old script referring to 100s of thousands of potential deaths. . . .and had no answer when the Doctor described how his dad had his blood cancer treatment cancelled because Covid.

Listeners input began with Miriam complaining that Jeremy’s question (see my start post) was an insult to the 10s of thousands who had died from this terrible disease…

Jeremy then read 9 or 10 e-mail responses which were all sceptical to varying degrees pointing out many of the themes that we are familiar with.
So did he deliberately only pick out sceptical comments to share with us or were there no alternatives to offer?

121523 hotrod, replying to hotrod, -25, #882 of 2397 🔗

11-6am curfew.

Working in Belgium.

This does seem more acceptable bearing in mind the vast majority will be in bed/home during that time.

Makes sense in a place like Spain where bars open into the night that cases are linked.

I think most would take that type of curfew as a compromise against the crazy 6 people change.

I still think this 6 people change is targeting students for next few weeks and then as the numbers decrease it will be relaxed.

121531 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to hotrod, 10, #883 of 2397 🔗

Are we at war with bombs and bullets? Because that’s why you curfew. That and marshall law

121537 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to hotrod, 18, #884 of 2397 🔗

No. Curfews are appropriate to conquered countries, not credible democracies. They are absolutely unacceptable.

How can you think this is okay?

121547 ▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to Ovis, -16, #885 of 2397 🔗

I don’t at all think they are ok.

However shutting bars and clubs early would be better as it affects fewer people.

That was my point.

Noting that Supermarkets are already closed from 22.00 now.

121579 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to hotrod, 11, #886 of 2397 🔗

3 weeks to flatten the curve

121569 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ovis, 4, #887 of 2397 🔗

We are a conquered country.But that doesn’t make anything ok that is not ok in normal times. It just compounds the crime.

121541 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to hotrod, 11, #888 of 2397 🔗

No, it is not acceptable at all. This is all based on utter bs. Hospitalizations and deaths are not rising. Cases are rising because of increased testing and/or detecting long-dead infections. No more compromising. We’ve seen exactly where that leads.

121582 ▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to Chicot, #889 of 2397 🔗

We all know this but what on earth do we do about it?

121650 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to hotrod, #890 of 2397 🔗

Just carry on and ignore it.

121724 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to hotrod, 2, #891 of 2397 🔗

(Put my reply in the wrong place!).

Stop complying. Do our best to try and point the sheep in the right direction for information and educate them. The only reason they can do all this is because of the compliance of the majority. They lose that and all this is unenforceable.

121711 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Chicot, 2, #892 of 2397 🔗

Stop complying. Do our best to try and point the sheep in the right direction for information and educate them. The only reason they can do all this is because of the compliance of the majority. They lose that and all this is unenforceable.

121749 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Chicot, #893 of 2397 🔗

It is only pillar 2 testing. Pillar 1 tests continue to fall.

121545 ▶▶ Julian, replying to hotrod, 6, #894 of 2397 🔗

Leaving which is the lesser of two evils, no extraordinary measure can be conceded or considered an acceptable compromise because it would be conceding the BIG LIE that we face an extraordinary threat.

121549 ▶▶ stewart, replying to hotrod, 7, #895 of 2397 🔗

Makes total sense. The virus is known to have vampire-like characteristics and is only active at night.

122850 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to stewart, #896 of 2397 🔗

Yes; I see the viruses sitting on my front lawn, watching me. If I don’t go out at night, they will disappear in the sunlight and I can go out.

What do you mean, talking rubbish? How is my comment different from the crap that the government comes out with?

I know most of you don’t like David Icke, but he came out with some great comments at the demonstration; the virus has a calendar, the virus has a watch, etc.

121550 ▶▶ Mark, replying to hotrod, 6, #897 of 2397 🔗

I still think this 6 people change is targeting students for next few weeks and then as the numbers decrease it will be relaxed.

Doubt that, as we’ll be starting to see the seasonal respiratory increases, including this latest addition to the battery of coronavirus colds, and that will inevitably trigger another but of hysterical panic.

Working in Belgium .”

In what sense “working”? Even if it works to reduce coronavirus case numbers, in order for that to justify incurring the costs of any measure it would have to be a useful outcome, and there seems no good reason to suppose that to be the case atm. Even if you consider the coronavirus a potential future problem, spreading lots of immunity around now is a good thing, not a bad thing.

122856 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Mark, 1, #898 of 2397 🔗

Which is exactly what the government is doing. Pick a target town, and flood the place with tests. “cases” and “infections” go up (not deaths, but the sheeple are too stupid to notice the difference). and the government has its’ excuse.

You can make the numbers decrease simply by shifting the testing elsewhere. Then surprise! The government is so wise and wonderful, they’ve guided us to success! Lying bastards.

121560 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to hotrod, 3, #899 of 2397 🔗

How do they know that it’s the curfew that’s had the effect? Is that the only variable that’s changed (this is GCSE level science)? Have they done a placebo-controlled trial? Obviously not, but how do these things get reported as fact without?

121573 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to hotrod, 13, #900 of 2397 🔗

But hang on a minute, why are we accepting ANY civil liberty restrictions ( which are clear breaches of our human rights – and of the Human Rights Act) in the first place ? WHY? We shouldn’t even get to the question of reasonableness ( or to quote wancock’s justification- ‘what makes the rules clear’), until we have first passed 2 thresholds:(1) is there a serious risk of death/ injury that is so serious or an emergency’ that requires any incursion on civil liberties and- if the answer to that is YES – (2) the Government still has to justify that the restrictions are necessary and EFFECTIVE in dealing with that risk, that no other measures ( not contravening our civil rights) could have addressed the risk ( and the Government would have to show they’d considered and dismissed these other measures ( with reasons) and also show that what they’re proposing is proportionate ( ie taking into account all the adverse consequences- social, medical ( mental health) and economic). The government has offered nothing in terms of evidence to meet these tests and neither the media nor MPs show any inclination in holding them seriously to account. I strongly believe a number of these arbitrary edicts – particularly this latest one, and the irrational quarantine rules , are unlawful. The only way the Government is going to be held seriously to account is through the courts ( where they will HAVE to present evidence ( which will be cross examined) to meet the above tests. If anyone on this site is really serious about challenging this and future arbitrary edicts that drive a coach and horses through our hard won civil rights, then PLEASE support the judicial review cases currently being brought. To put my money where my mouth is, I have already contributed 4 times to both Dolan’s case and the latest quarantine case. I urge others here to do the same. I think Francis Hoar is a hero.

121620 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to Telpin, #901 of 2397 🔗

The English Democrat party is also launching a case and requesting funding.

121590 ▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to hotrod, 2, #902 of 2397 🔗

If the vast majority are at home or in bed what would a curfew achieve?

121610 ▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to tonyspurs, -3, #903 of 2397 🔗

Preventing alcohol driven social gathering between 11pm and 6am.

121706 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to hotrod, #904 of 2397 🔗

Night clubs are shut already.Bars wouldn’t have a licence beyond 1/2 anyway.Illegal raves and Air bNB parties are the thing now.

121720 ▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #905 of 2397 🔗

Actually the dividing line between what constitutes a bar and what is a nightclub is very thin. I know of several places that were formally classified as nightclubs and simply got rid of the dj, banned dancing and then magically became “bars”. They don’t shut until 4am either.

121712 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to hotrod, 4, #906 of 2397 🔗

Any proof that it will work? Any concrete estimate of the effect it will have? Anything? Or just another blind punt at the expense of our civil liberties?

Come on, wake up.

121532 covid_skeptic, 1, #907 of 2397 🔗

2nd wave. pft. Victoria dan is already talking about a 3rd wave.

https://omny.fm/shows/hot-breakfast/premier-daniel-andrews-on-the-hot-breakfast

121540 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 14, #908 of 2397 🔗

A lot of this can be explained if you assume that government is institutionally very, very, stupid. Not slightly missing the point, or failing to reach the logical conclusions. I mean thunkingly stupid and acting only for its own interests.

We don’t want a lot of people dying in hospitals. It looks bad on TV. So let’s stop them going into hospital. Macron is locking down. It would look careless if we didn’t. Let’s lock down. Masks look good on TV. Let’s get lots of masks. Nurses are catching the virus on their way to work. Let’s reserve public transport for nurses. Etc. Etc.

On that basis, I’d say that Hancock is now worried that even a normal winter would give “crisis in NHS” headlines. He doesn’t want that. So let’s keep the lockdown. Sunak has got the money side sorted. Don’t need to worry about that and, anyway it’s not the Health Secretary’s job to worry about money.

I think it is really this stupid.

121555 ▶▶ Will, replying to WhyNow, 5, #909 of 2397 🔗

But the problem they have is Sweden, where the virus has gone and the serology doesn’t indicate it took even 20% antibody exposure for it to happen.

121567 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Will, 9, #910 of 2397 🔗

No problem if you’re very, very stupid and can’t see what’s under your nose, or draw any conclusions from it if you do see it. A lot of people can’t. I know, I used to be a teacher.

122080 ▶▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to annie, #911 of 2397 🔗

Institutional stupidity is something quite distinct. Everyone acts strictly within their own terms of reference to make sure they are not personally at risk. The outcome is stupid, but that is not any particular person’s problem.

121566 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to WhyNow, 7, #912 of 2397 🔗

I think this is partly what drove the initial decision to lock down in March – we were seeing scary scenes in Italy and the government were petrified that all the newspapers would be printing pictures of those same scenes in the UK. It would be political suicide for the Conservatives to risk the NHS being overwhelmed under them, the ‘nasty party’ who has supposedly underfunded the health service for years.

122161 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to WhyNow, #913 of 2397 🔗

The UK alone, agreed. But other countries ?

122258 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to JohnB, #914 of 2397 🔗

Similar reasoning with different local flavours. The main thing is: it looks bad on TV.

121548 Will, replying to Will, 9, #915 of 2397 🔗

Hear is a thought for a bit of direct action. Why don’t we all book home tests, every day for weeks on end and just send them back unused?

121556 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Will, 7, #916 of 2397 🔗

I’ve considered sending them back with samples of all sorts of different things. Slugs, oil, fruit and veg – the possibilities are endless. How many will test positive?

121561 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, 8, #917 of 2397 🔗

Beware the Coronaslug and the Covidearwig.
Beware the Snaillockdown.
Beware the Masked Marigold.
It’s a war zone out there.

121592 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to annie, 1, #918 of 2397 🔗

Ooh, almost a touch of Lewis Caroll !

121664 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to bluemoon, #919 of 2397 🔗

Wish I could draw…

121587 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to A. Contrarian, #920 of 2397 🔗

I’ll let them have the garden snails which I cannot get rid of!

121608 ▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #921 of 2397 🔗

This could work as long as we could prove what we’re sending back – if the tests come back as positive, that would prove once and for all what a mockery these tests really are.

121558 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Will, 1, #922 of 2397 🔗

I though of that. However they would just count them as positive.

I thought testing it on a dog. But they probably say “Canine Flu’s now rampant. We must lock down”

121756 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Will, #923 of 2397 🔗

They will be reported as positive

121769 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Will, #924 of 2397 🔗

Think i’ll buy a dog just so I can get it to piss in all the samples from my family of four !

121551 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 1, #925 of 2397 🔗
121572 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to T. Prince, 6, #926 of 2397 🔗

Definitely worth watch puts all the Covid curve on perspective.

Explain how countries that had a higher death toll from Covid had a weaker flu season earlier, so there were more vulnerable people for it to kill.

Norway and Finland had a stronger flu season that Sweden, so ther were fewer people to left to die of Covid.

The same was true of German compares to Britain, Italy, France and Spain.

121615 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #927 of 2397 🔗

I’ve been watching Ivor’s updates for some time now and beginning to feel his sense of frustration and incredulity…!

121633 ▶▶ RickH, replying to T. Prince, 5, #928 of 2397 🔗

I’m glad you’ve also flagged that up. It really is an excellent summary for those of us who have been looking closely at the data since March/April.

I can’t recommend it enough – particularly since it picks up on the importance of the prior weak infection season in shaping the nature of this year’s infection – another feature that you won’t see in the MSM.

This is the sort of analysis that a proper media should be into – accurate and factual, rather than parroting government handouts on ‘How to do magical thinking’

121905 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to RickH, #929 of 2397 🔗

Spot on. As Ivor says “we’re following bad science”……

121915 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to RickH, #930 of 2397 🔗

This article that Ivor cites “The Swine Flu Panic or 2019” is well worth mentioning.. It proves that those ‘in charge’ never learn…

https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/reconstruction-of-a-mass-hysteria-the-swine-flu-panic-of-2009-a-682613.html

121562 Cbird, replying to Cbird, 11, #931 of 2397 🔗

The Paul Collits article in Toby’s round up has this quote from Sir Graham Brady, which suggests its worth writing to him about the latest b****cks:

“The influential British Tory, Sir Graham Brady, recently sought to call a halt to his own Party’s continuing Covidmania.

The chairman of the 1922 Committee of backbench Conservative MPs has warned that furloughed workers may not have jobs to go back to if the coronavirus lockdown is too long.

Sir Graham Brady’s comments came as the prime minister urged people not to lose patience with the lockdown.

“People have to have some hope that there is light at the end of the tunnel,” Mr Brady said.

Sir Graham said the lockdown had achieved its aim of preventing the NHS being overwhelmed by people with the virus, but added: “If we allow economic damage to continue, that will cost jobs and also have a negative on the country’s ability to pay for our important public services.

“To expect people not to see their families for an indefinite period is a very big ask indeed. I think we’ve got to be realistic and maintain only those restrictions that are essential.”

Yes he was careful not to contradict his prime minister, Boris “whack-a-mole” Johnson. He didn’t go overboard. He was forward looking and restrained. But at least he spoke up for ending the lockdown before everything is lost.

Brady also responded thus to a constituent concerned about cultural maskism:

A number of constituents have written to me with their concerns of this new regulation, with reasonable questions regarding how long we may have this in place and whether this will again be extended to office and work spaces. I am pleased at least that the Government has made it clear that this requirement will not extend to offices.

Other countries such as Germany, Italy and Spain have taken a similar step to try to halt the spread of COVID-19 as their economies begin to open up. The evidence in relation to the efficacy of face masks outside a clinical setting is however, finely balanced, one local specialist said to me that if there is a benefit, it is more likely because a mask makes it less likely that the wearer will touch his face than because of any effect in preventing airborne transmission. I do not think that a compelling case has been made for something of such uncertain value to be made compulsory, but this decision has been made under emergency powers and was not debated or voted on in the House of Commons.

It is important that this regulation, along with other emergency COVID-19 legislation, should only be temporary. My biggest concern is that the government has not set out the criteria on which the decision to introduce compulsion was made, and that we remain therefore in the dark as to when it will end.

These laws sit very uncomfortably with our traditions of liberty and I shall be working to ensure that they do not continue for any longer than is strictly necessary.

121616 ▶▶ AngloWelshDragon, replying to Cbird, 7, #932 of 2397 🔗

I don’t understand how anyone can seriously claim those wearing masks touch their face less. Even a cursory episode of people watching in a supermarket will demonstrate mask wearers cannot leave the damn things alone yet I can do my shopping maskless and never touch my face once.

121564 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 7, #933 of 2397 🔗

If those advocating a COVID-19 vaccine say that “One death is too many”, then how are they justifying the 7,000 deaths that the vaccine will cause in the UK?

121568 ▶▶ Mark, replying to JohnB, 4, #934 of 2397 🔗

That kind of rationalisation is easy for hypocrites. Which is what anyone who claims to believe “one death is too many” necessarily is..

121754 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to JohnB, #935 of 2397 🔗

its all about the money and vested interests

121575 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #936 of 2397 🔗

There are is a good reason why the airlines won’t return money to customers

They are bankrupt.

Their debts exceed their assets, and they have little or no prospect of rising any cash

They continue to act illegally, unlawfully refusing legitimate refunds, and trading whilst insolvent. The airlines at the moment are a huge fraud

They know that the legal system in the UK no longer functions so they will not be brought to book

Directors will continue to receive their salaries and benefits

122045 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Cecil B, 2, #937 of 2397 🔗

The airline I work for has raised significant capital recently, from what was a fairly strong cash position anyway. Many others have done the same.

In any case, I’m not sure what point you’re making here. The airlines have been pushed to the brink by ridiculous international politics.

121576 Edward, replying to Edward, 28, #938 of 2397 🔗

I’m still trying to play the democratic game, but after yesterday’s announcement I think that mass civil disobedience is the only way forward. Anyway here is my draft letter to my MP. If I’m lucky I may get a reply in a few months. My starting point was the letter Allan Gay posted on this site on 30 August (thanks Allan) but mine is a bit wordier as I wanted to state some of my particular concerns. I’ve kept Allan’s first and last sentences as they are simple and direct.

Dear XXXX,

I urge you to vote against the renewal of the Coronavirus Act 2020. This Act, which enables the Government to make Covid-19-related regulations, comes up for review on 28 September.

Much of the current Coronavirus legislation was enacted by Statutory Instrument (SI), without Parliamentary scrutiny. Use of SIs was supposedly justified as responding to an emergency. By any sensible medical criteria there is now no emergency, except possibly the failure of the NHS to provide timely diagnosis and treatment of non-Covid illnesses such as cancer. You and other MPs now need to do your duty by scrutinising, debating, amending and if necessary voting down any proposed legislation. You should not be giving free rein to the Government and its unelected advisers. I am sure you don’t wish to go down in history as a member of the Parliament which stood by while Government policies caused serious damage. The damage is not caused by the virus, but by the Government’s over-reaction to it.

Our right to free assembly, one of the most basic civil rights, has been removed. Our daily life has been subjected to ever-changing restrictions. Our economy, democracy, and society have already been seriously damaged – this is the true emergency, which urgently needs addressing if the damage is not to become permanent.

Please vote against any renewal of the legislation or any extension to its duration.

121764 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to Edward, 1, #939 of 2397 🔗

Great letter. Gonna use it as a template for my next letter. Not recieved a response from my first sent to my two local MP’s almost 4 weeks ago !!!

123104 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Edward, #940 of 2397 🔗

Nice work, just dispatched this to my local MP. Thanks!

121588 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 8, #941 of 2397 🔗

From the Telegraph

Christmas ‘could be cancelled if second wave threat not taken seriously’

Matt Hancock warns: ‘If you don’t take a second spike seriously it can lead to very serious problems down the track’

He just loves playing God.

121595 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #942 of 2397 🔗

I don’t take anything he says seriously. The only serious problem is him being allowed to make decisions

121690 ▶▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Hubes, 3, #943 of 2397 🔗

Well it’s like an eight year old child soldier with an AK47. It shouldn’t be happening but I would take them very seriously!

121596 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 9, #944 of 2397 🔗

I know where I’d like to stick a second spike! And, how the hell can he threaten to cancel a Christian holiday …

121602 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #945 of 2397 🔗

He has a serious psychological disorder – hugely inflated and distorted sense of his own importance, zero genuine empathy. However, what’s shocking is that he’s allowed to run amok. Can only assume it’s deliberate- ie they will hang responsibility for all these edicts on Hancock and are happy to sit back and watch just how far we will take it. I bet they had no idea they could push us so far – with general full compliance. I myself can’t believe it – particularly from the young who are arguably most affected. And where is GOVE? Seems to be distancing himself from all these edicts ( since the mask wearing fiasco). Waiting in the wings?

121604 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 9, #946 of 2397 🔗

Its just so far detached from reality how can anyone be taking this seriously anymore. How can there possibly be very serious problems from a mild virus which the population is already largely immune to. He has already helped kill off all those who were vulnerable.

121612 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #947 of 2397 🔗

More like Jack Skellington

121626 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #948 of 2397 🔗

Infections of all sorts will rise towards Christmas. They always do.

121668 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #949 of 2397 🔗

Of course they’re going to try to cancel Christmas. That was on the cards from 24th March once lockdown was announced. Now they are using it as a threat to hang over our heads for the next 3 months. Hancock needs to be removed.

121688 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #950 of 2397 🔗

No one will suffer not having family around for Christmas.Its one of our last National traditions.He is drunk on power now

121863 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #951 of 2397 🔗

Some people I know would happily go along with it still (and order everyone else to obey as well). But they are definitely becoming the minority.

122824 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #952 of 2397 🔗

I think that may be the final straw. No-one I know would tolerate any interference with Christmas and meeting their families from anyone, least of all a damned politician. That goes for the police too. Don’t you dare try that one, or you will really have your desired riot.

121715 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #953 of 2397 🔗

It is amazing. Now it is our fault!!!! How much more seriously can people ‘take’ it. Most of them are terrified hiding behind their masks whilst compromising their immune systems

Can someone please tell hancock that the curve was flattened (during the start of the lockdown) and the NHS can now cope

121721 ▶▶ Lockdown Truth, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #954 of 2397 🔗

The actual Grinch!

121593 mjr, replying to mjr, 7, #955 of 2397 🔗

Johnson has just said in PMQ that he takes full responsibility for everything that happens relating to Covid.
Glad that has been clarified.

121597 ▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, 4, #956 of 2397 🔗

And Starmer supports all the actions the government has taken …
So that is the opposition ……
Glad that has been clarified

121609 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to mjr, 1, #957 of 2397 🔗

Labour’s only criticism is that the Government went into lockdown a week late and there have been mix messages.

121627 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to mjr, 4, #958 of 2397 🔗

We can take those as confessions, then, I think, and proceed straight to sentencing.

121628 ▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, 6, #959 of 2397 🔗

the main questions in PMQ are all about inability of people to get tests. Deck chairs on the Titanic?

121632 ▶▶ mjr, replying to mjr, 3, #960 of 2397 🔗

And a salute to the army from the PM…. How long until they are on the streets

121677 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to mjr, #961 of 2397 🔗

By Christmas if they intend to keep it up.

121655 ▶▶ annie, replying to mjr, 2, #962 of 2397 🔗

That is one load of responsibility.
He can repeat the statement at his trial.

121662 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to mjr, #963 of 2397 🔗

I wish he would include Hancock in that too.

121760 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to mjr, #964 of 2397 🔗

Yeah, until they actually try and hold the useless bastard to account !

121599 Roadrash, 22, #965 of 2397 🔗

Found a fellow lockdown sceptic in work. Bloke in his late 20s. We shuck hands. I nearly cried!

121600 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #966 of 2397 🔗

Decided to have a go at recutting the Minority Report trailer, just for a laugh. A bit of light relief hopefully..

https://youtu.be/vALgQ_bgEBo

121619 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to PoshPanic, #967 of 2397 🔗

Very good.

121621 RickH, replying to RickH, 5, #968 of 2397 🔗

I’ve just been watching the latest Ivor Cummins video.

It is a really good summary of the real data and science, and also covers the potential real dangers of what the government has done – and is doing :

https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac

121648 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to RickH, 3, #969 of 2397 🔗

Share this with my good friend this morning. He’s a PhD chemical engineer. His first response?

“What are you saying? That the virus doesn’t exist and nobody is dying? Maybe I should tell that to my uncle”

I told him to actually watch the video. Its not easy all this. Straining very dear relationships

121686 ▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #970 of 2397 🔗

Ivor is looking at it from a population point of view, which us how decisions should be made.

121755 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #971 of 2397 🔗

He’s a PhD chemical engineer”

There’s Scientists and ‘scientists’.

Technical expertise in a narrow field doesn’t make a Scientist – just a ‘scientist’.

The difference is in wider thinking abilities, not recondite knowledge.

121622 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #972 of 2397 🔗

First speaker on Vine is Dr. John Lee!

121624 ▶▶ EssieSW, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #973 of 2397 🔗

And he is doing a cracking job so far

121659 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sam Vimes, #974 of 2397 🔗

Is this radio or tv?

121671 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #975 of 2397 🔗

Bbc radio 2,even the callers are spilt evenly.Next item is big iceberg in Antarctica.

121673 ▶▶▶ EssieSW, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #976 of 2397 🔗

Radio 2. You should be able to listen again on BBC sounds. The show started at 12 and he was the first speaker

121775 ▶▶▶▶ Michael C, replying to EssieSW, #977 of 2397 🔗

Absolutely superb performance by Dr Lee – a must listen. I picked it up by simply ‘googling’ Jeremy Vine Show today, Lee’s bit starts at 12.08.

121822 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to EssieSW, #978 of 2397 🔗

Thanks – I’ll look it up.

121631 Jonathan Palmer, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 9, #979 of 2397 🔗

Dr John Lee very good on Jeremy Vine now

121634 ▶▶ ambwozere, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #980 of 2397 🔗

He’s amazing

121639 mjr, replying to mjr, 10, #981 of 2397 🔗

Tomorrow is World Suicide Prevention Day .
Your homework for today is to discuss suicide prevention in the context of Covid and Lockdowns

121652 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mjr, 2, #982 of 2397 🔗

Really? This will be misplaced virtue signalling on a huge scale this year

121640 Londo Mollari, 5, #983 of 2397 🔗

Breitbart is reporting that Boris is considering a national curfew.

121644 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 11, #984 of 2397 🔗

Starmer completely focused on test and trace having to send people miles away to get tested.

Absolutely pointless. They are wasting valuable time with this nonsense.

121698 ▶▶ Klein, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #985 of 2397 🔗

He’s such a fucking empty suit that guy

121709 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #986 of 2397 🔗

Worst ever opposition party. Think even Corbyn could have done a better job

121735 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 4, #987 of 2397 🔗

What do you mean ‘even’ Corbyn? At least he has a record of being honest, being correct on key issues like Iraq and refuting propaganda. That is at least a start compared to the spineless jellyfish that infest both sets of benches in the Commons!

121757 ▶▶ NonCompliant, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #988 of 2397 🔗

It’s the double down “opposition”, a complete joke !

121646 annie, replying to annie, 17, #989 of 2397 🔗

Excellent piece by Sarah Vine in the DM. Quote:

“Those who are vulnerable — the very old, the obese and those who have other comorbidities — must shield and be shielded.
As for the rest of us, however scared or nervous we may be, we have to find the courage to get back out there and get on with it.
We need to accept that — as generations before us have done in so many wars and natural disasters — there is no such thing as a completely risk-free existence.
That painful, personal sacrifice is the price we pay for living in a free and prosperous society. And that sometimes, no matter how hard you try to avoid it, stuff just happens.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8711107/Boris-Johnson-BAN-gatherings-SIX-people-Monday-England.html
(Scroll down fo find her piece.)

121656 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to annie, 3, #990 of 2397 🔗

But apparently we are all relaxing too much, hence the “second wave” – but stop being so pathetic and get back to work!

It’s like some kind of psychological torture or interrogation technique.

121657 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to annie, 7, #991 of 2397 🔗

I don’t like the way it’s phrased. As if this is a big gesture from healthy people to get back out there. It’s just a nice way to tell us to forget the fact we are being lied to, manipulated on a national scale, lockdown killed thousands and counting, elderly are being terrorised still.

Where is the anger?

121666 ▶▶ Edward Giles, replying to annie, 1, #992 of 2397 🔗

Ms Vine needs to knock some sense into her husband.

121667 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to annie, 4, #993 of 2397 🔗

Does she fly kites for her husband?

121669 ▶▶ matt, replying to annie, 9, #994 of 2397 🔗

All I would change is “Those who are vulnerable — the very old, the obese and those who have other comorbidities — must shield and be shielded” if that’s what they want.

121872 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to matt, 4, #995 of 2397 🔗

Agreed.Their choice.

121685 ▶▶ stewart, replying to annie, 2, #996 of 2397 🔗

That was common sense once upon a time.
The idea of a life with risks is now a hard sell.
It’s been decades of health and safety indoctrination.

121694 ▶▶ Will, replying to annie, #997 of 2397 🔗

And she is married to…

121731 ▶▶ RickH, replying to annie, 3, #998 of 2397 🔗

however scared or nervous we may be, we have to find the courage”

Is that the Sarah Vine who had the lack of taste and judgment to marry Gove the Walking Disaster?

There’s no ‘courage’ needed, FFS! Just the ability to absorb information and reject propaganda.

121899 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to annie, #999 of 2397 🔗

Isn’t she Gove’s wife? If so, wonder if they are on the same page, so to speak?

121654 Laura Gallagher, 3, #1000 of 2397 🔗

A petition to reject all of the UK Governments proposals outlined in their Consultation document of 28th Aug to change Human Medicine Regulations to support the roll out of the supply, use and promotion of unlicensed COVID-19 vaccines is now live at: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/549793

121661 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Sarigan, #1002 of 2397 🔗

Thanks – signed

121663 ▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to bluemoon, #1003 of 2397 🔗

Oops! Should be a reply to LG! These old fingers…..

121680 ▶▶ anon, replying to Sarigan, #1004 of 2397 🔗

mike Graham talking reptiles – wrong link?

121789 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to anon, 1, #1005 of 2397 🔗

isnt that the government ???? Talking reptiles

121672 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 31, #1006 of 2397 🔗

A very angry Speaker just given the government/Handsy Hancock a significant rebuke for the handling of the 30 to 6 announcement, following an urgent question from Sir Desmond Swayne (who questioned the restrictions on liberty without Parliamentary debate). Never seen Speaker, Sir Lindsay, a very mild-mannered man, this angry. Boris literally ran out of the chamber.

121678 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 11, #1007 of 2397 🔗

Good. At least someone is doing their job properly in Parliament.

121692 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 18, #1008 of 2397 🔗

He did, never seen him move so quick. Johnson and Hancock are abusing their parliamentary privilege, to a shocking degree.

121901 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1009 of 2397 🔗

Hancock was almost sprinting!

122065 ▶▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1010 of 2397 🔗

My MP is David Davis & I emailed him this morning to say I appreciated his speech yesterday on parliamentary dysfunction. Looks like he may get a few more about dying democracy writ large here.

121697 ▶▶ Klein, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1011 of 2397 🔗

Do you have a link to this?

121700 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Klein, #1012 of 2397 🔗

Sorry no, I was watching it on Sky.

121770 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Klein, #1013 of 2397 🔗
121780 ▶▶▶▶ Klein, replying to Nick Rose, #1014 of 2397 🔗

Thanks Nick

121886 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Klein, #1015 of 2397 🔗

Yes, thanks! Hoyle very impressive there!

121954 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Carrie, #1016 of 2397 🔗

👍

121953 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Klein, #1017 of 2397 🔗

👍

121701 ▶▶ Will, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 9, #1018 of 2397 🔗

Patience is wearing very, very thin among Tory MPs. Push is going to come to shove very soon.

121714 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Will, 6, #1019 of 2397 🔗

Sir Desmond Swayne

Blackface controversy
On 28 September 2019, he remarked that “blackface” was an “entirely acceptable bit of fun”.[15] On 30 September, it was reported that he wore blackface while attending a Blues Brothers themed party, where he was pictured posing as James Brown.[16] Swayne later said he “went to some trouble to be as authentic as possible” in creating the costume, before refusing to apologise

A rarity, a Conservative MP with balls

121892 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Will, #1020 of 2397 🔗

I do wonder how much of the ‘bigger agenda’ (immunity passports and the like) the Tory backbenchers are actually aware of. Are they being kept in the dark?

121876 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1021 of 2397 🔗

Like someone said last night, these late-night announcements of new restrictions may be being suggested by the Behavioural Insights committee, in order to give people sleepless nights…

121674 Telpin, replying to Telpin, 14, #1022 of 2397 🔗

Prof John Lee on absolutely cracking form. Calling for a televised grown up debate on this issue – could a petition call for this? Dream team- Toby, prof John Lee, Carl Heneghan and Lord Sumption or Francis Hoar

121682 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Telpin, #1023 of 2397 🔗

Yes. Great idea. That would be a real guaranteed to go viral debate for sure.

121695 ▶▶ Klein, replying to Telpin, 1, #1024 of 2397 🔗

Where was he calling for that?

I was thinking of that months ago – before the lockdown , at 6pm instead of the News you have a 2 hour long special where both ‘sides’ have to debate their viewpoint. Then you have questions etc

121699 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Klein, 2, #1025 of 2397 🔗

Debate is verbotten

121708 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Telpin, 5, #1026 of 2397 🔗

We REALLY REALLY NEED THIS. Not some stage managed official narrative pushing propaganda bollocks like we usually get chaired by slimy manipulative idiots like Andrew Marr, Nicky Campbell or Jeremy Vine.

121763 ▶▶ Klein, replying to Telpin, 2, #1027 of 2397 🔗

He was excellent. That other virologist, still talking about hundreds of thousands of deaths, jesus christ.

121675 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 12, #1028 of 2397 🔗

This was a reply to a post I left on the Spectator. Truly shocking.

7:35 a.m., Wednesday Sept. 9

King Kibbutz wrote:

Friend of mine was made to go to get tested. Queued for ages and when she was nearing the head of the line, people came to her to say very sorry, run out of test kits, can you come back.

She was called two days later with the news she had tested positive and must quarantine.

121693 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #1029 of 2397 🔗

I’ve heard this from many sources but it’s always FOAF (friend of a friend) so i wonder if it’s just urban myth.

121704 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Londo Mollari, #1030 of 2397 🔗

Maybe, maybe not,

121710 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #1031 of 2397 🔗

There is a case in the US where the health authorities wrote to a lady in August to tell her to self isolate as she tested positive in June – one small problem, she died in February! a complete fraud.

At 9.30 on this video it was on mainstream news in the US – so not fake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzsdJJpR2YA

121719 ▶▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Darryl, 6, #1032 of 2397 🔗

I understand half the people who vote Deomcrat are already dead.

121707 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #1033 of 2397 🔗

Shocking. We heard this before. Obviously massive fraud with the outcome of the tests.

However, why do people go for tests? Have a test, have a lockdown

121729 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Victoria, 6, #1034 of 2397 🔗

Anyone who goes voluntarily for a ‘rona test needs their head checked, not a nose swab.

121867 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #1035 of 2397 🔗

Shocking, but not in the least surprising.

121676 charleyfarley, replying to charleyfarley, 18, #1036 of 2397 🔗

This is my first post here and I want to start by thanking everyone here for their comments over the last few months. I consider myself to be reasonably robust but there have been moments in the last few weeks in which I have questioned my mental health. Some of your comments have been balm for the soul.
I think everyone here is broadly of the same view – that lockdown has been an unmitigated disaster of historic proportions, that our freedoms are being removed, probably permanently, and that we appear to be moving towards a dystopian future under some sort of Davos/UN/WHO lead world government with no semblance of democracy. Whether the Government is actively working towards such an end, or is simply grossly incompetent, is irrelevant. What matters is their action motive is of secondary importance.
Would anyone here be interested in setting up a new movement to fight this insanity before it is too late? We can sound off on this forum as much as we like, and this does serve a very useful purpose, but are we going to do nothing while our freedom and way of life are destroyed (to say nothing of the economy)? I see that there is talk of an Anti-Lockdown Party in Australia. Why not here?
If enough people are in favour of the idea I would have thought the first step would be to set up a meeting with Toby Young, as his support would be essential. We should see if Carl Heneghan would offer his support, and other experts on the sceptical side. It would be good to have Peter Hitchens onside too. Piers Corbyn could be a factor. We would need people who have experience of public relations/marketing. Initial actions might include lobbying MPs, local authorities and news media, marches, local meetings, posting flyers, demonstrations etc.
I would prefer to steer clear of potentially controversial ideas around for example 5G and focus on the core issue of freedom. I think the Freedom Party would be a better name than the Anti-Lockdown Party.
Obviously, I am aware of the demonstration on the 19th September, but I don’t think it will be enough to turn up, demonstrate for a few hours and then go home. Demonstrations alone will not save us.
If you are interested please email me at charlesf1@live.co.uk . As soon as I finish this I will try and contact Toby to sound him out on the idea (Toby – if you read this please do email me. I am happy to meet you anywhere at any time if a meeting would help).
A word about me. My name is Charles Fuchter. I am a 67 year old retired solicitor, reasonably fit and in good health. In the interests of full disclosure, I voted Leave and put my name forward as a prospective MP for the Brexit Party (they didn’t want me). That aside I have never been active politically. I am also a “climate denier” but (1) whether or not the climate agenda is linked to Covid I think it is better not to complicate the message by going there– this is about freedom (2) I don’t have two heads and am quite normal, really.
If I do make contact with TY I will put up another post.

121776 ▶▶ kf99, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #1037 of 2397 🔗

We’re with you but it’s so difficult. You would be up against all the other parties, celebrities, etc smearing you as right-wing Trump supporters or whatever.

I’m not sure what the answer is. Mass infiltration of the LibDems?

121830 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to kf99, 2, #1038 of 2397 🔗

But don’t we have to try. The suffragettes didn’t have it easy, but they achieved their aims in the end.

121838 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to charleyfarley, 4, #1039 of 2397 🔗

The Freedom Party has a much better ring to it.Its an idea we can all gather around.I think the tide is turning now but we need a focal point to rally to.

121844 ▶▶ Mark, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #1040 of 2397 🔗

This imo is definitely what needs to happen.

Fwiw, my advice would be not to try to appeal to all sides of the political spectrum and to focus on positioning yourself on the political right (assuming that’s where you naturally belong, otherwise left, obviously). Ideally there would be a similar party on the other side. Otherwise you’ll end up spending more time worrying about internal conflicts than challenging the failed political establishment. It will be easier to focus on the coronapanic/liberty/competence issues if within the party you mostly share broad viewpoints, on Brexit etc

Perhaps try to set up two parties at once by talking to someone like-minded but on the other political side, broadly left and right, agreeing to cooperate as much as possible against the coronapanicking establishment while disagreeing about other matters.

As you say, credibility is vital, along with money (but the latter follows the former in politics), so getting people like Young and Hitchens involved would be vital, and Simon Dolan who seems further along the route atm.

Not for the faint-hearted setting something like that up, though

121914 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Mark, 1, #1041 of 2397 🔗

I wonder if it might be better to join forces on a single issue that we can agree on, across the political spectrum, rather than fragmenting into left vs right factions?

Kind of like Brexit, which covered both sides and now George Galloway and Jamie Blackett are teaming up to oppose the SNP:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-george-galloway-and-i-plan-to-save-the-union

A united front seems to stand a better chance of success.

122266 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to zacaway, #1042 of 2397 🔗

If what you are after is a short term campaign, such as over lockdown itself, that might work, indeed would probably be best. But if you are thinking of creating long term political parties to challenge for seats under fptp, you need imo to be thinking of building things that can last.

I think the only way you can do it in one party is to have a very few core policies and then let each constituency have free reign to set other policies for their candidate to suit the local electorate. But you would always have problems with leakage from one place to another, with candidates inevitably tarred with unsuitable (for their constituents) attitudes or policies adopted by other candidates in the party.

121683 tallandbald, replying to tallandbald, 12, #1043 of 2397 🔗

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1303603834929979392

Julia HB giving Handjob a hard time. The arrogance of that man makes me red in the face. Honestly if i met him in the street i would end up in jail…

121717 ▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to tallandbald, 6, #1044 of 2397 🔗

If Hancock has his way, just being on the street will get you banged up.

121823 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to James Leary #KBF, 1, #1045 of 2397 🔗

That is so close to the mark. Almost reality now.

121990 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to tallandbald, #1046 of 2397 🔗

Only if you got caught …

121702 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #1047 of 2397 🔗

The jury is in on Hydroxychloroquine – ‘it saves lives’: Rowan Dean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q5teMsw2h4
Sky News Australia
Sky News host Rowan Dean says the jury is in and says categorically “Hydroxychloroquine saves lives” and Australians must be given access to the drug.

121703 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 9, #1048 of 2397 🔗

New article in the Spectator.
Here’s how the Covid nightmare could be over by Christmas

Somewhat breathless article about us all having to be tested twice a week using ‘next generation’ testing technology.

The especially creepy bits:

We need to address the growing apathy and individualism with our Covid-19 response. This individualism has been building since early in lockdown, fuelled by the likes of Lord Sumption, who argued that it should be down to individuals whether to isolate or not….

…we are going to need to be creative on how we roll out mass testing to overcome this growing Covid apathy. We can do this by starting with using mass testing to allow people to start doing things they have really missed, such as watching sport or arts, or travelling without the need to quarantine.

Getting children onside will then, in turn, encourage their parents as we later roll out mass testing to homes.

121713 ▶▶ tallandbald, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #1049 of 2397 🔗

Mass testing like this is a round about way of having the digital Corona-pass.

121796 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to tallandbald, 2, #1050 of 2397 🔗

My initial prediction was that Christmas would be held hostage as a way of gaining compliance for the vaccine, but they appear to have done a u-turn on that now and delayed it, for whatever reason. So it seems now that mass testing is going to be their way of holding Christmas hostage. I imagined a vaccination pass would be the plan, but you’re right, it seems they’re just going to go the mass testing route to do it instead.

Instead of:

Are you vaccinated?
Yes, you can join society fully.
No, there’ll be restrictions.

It’s going to be:

Have you been tested?
Yes, you can join society fully.
No, there’ll be restrictions.

121718 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Barney McGrew, 5, #1051 of 2397 🔗

Cupid Stunt stuff.

The amount of sewage disguised as insight flowing through the conduits of the media is beyond belief.

Again, I would point anyone with a bit of time to spare towards Ivor Cummins’s latest video blog :

https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac

… in order to regain sanity and proportion.

121935 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, #1052 of 2397 🔗

He’s one of those “thank God for” people. One of the few beacons of sanity, even apparently, on our side of the fence.

121734 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #1053 of 2397 🔗

In short, give in and just pay the ransom.

Just say bye bye to the freedom you once had to manage your own health and you can be on your way. Hand that freedom over to the government and you can be on your way.

That’s the price.

121737 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #1054 of 2397 🔗

I commented on that under my disqus handle. I was not complimentary.

121837 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Barney McGrew, #1055 of 2397 🔗

Who are the ‘we’, Barney ? i.e. the authors, I guess.

121866 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Barney McGrew, #1056 of 2397 🔗

Who’s the article by?

121878 ▶▶ annie, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #1057 of 2397 🔗

Apathy and individualism?
Really, I for one can’t be bothered.

121880 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Barney McGrew, #1058 of 2397 🔗

Just read that, author is Richard Dobbs, not familiar with him. Clearly he’s drunk the kool-aid.

121985 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to zacaway, #1059 of 2397 🔗

Just the one photo I can find – probably a spook. He’s also on the board of the UK Statistics Authority.

121723 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 20, #1060 of 2397 🔗

A possible curfew? They are clearly anticipating riots. Some of us on here have been suggesting this was coming – it was a question of whether it was September or October. Ball is in the court of Parliament, because if they do not start pushing back against the out of control government, the whole country will be in flames.

121733 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #1061 of 2397 🔗

If that happens I will be sure to walk the dog after permitted hours.

121740 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Strange Days, 4, #1062 of 2397 🔗

I’ll refuse to buy a burger to accompany my pint in the local.

Viva la revolucion

121745 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #1063 of 2397 🔗

Linking with Barney’s post just below, there seems to be an agenda to double down on state control even as the Covid narrative collapses. They are provoking riots rather than change course. Happy times ahead.

121865 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ovis, 2, #1064 of 2397 🔗

And the covid narrative will collapse further after the US election..

121772 ▶▶ Poppy, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 10, #1065 of 2397 🔗

In a way the riots become a self-fulfilling prophecy if a curfew is enforced. If the government just lifted all restrictions and allowed people to drift back to normal, I doubt those in favour of harsh lockdowns would be rioting and demanding that we all be locked up again. Life would just go on. However, by enforcing curfews, the government contributes to frustration building and becomes a contributory cause of riots.

121820 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to Poppy, 7, #1066 of 2397 🔗

All part of the plan Poppy. We’re damned if we do & damned if we don’t. They aren’t even laughing at us either, this is a very cold & deliberate plan. We will be culled.

121835 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Arnie, 2, #1067 of 2397 🔗

We will be culled.

That should motivate a few more folk, at least.

121804 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #1068 of 2397 🔗

Just as easy to riot during daylight hours surely? And if it’s got to the point of rioting, are people going to meekly go indoors and end the riot at 10pm sharp?

On second thoughts… yes, perhaps they will.

121813 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1069 of 2397 🔗

Wearing masks. Social distancing. Not singing or shouting. Probably avoiding looking at each other to cos that’s banned as well. If I riot I’ll need to read the rulebook first…

121806 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #1070 of 2397 🔗

Furlough ends soon. Christmas is going to be denied/destroyed.

Nobody is dying from coronavirus.

Criminalise the protesters before they protest.

We are in an iron grip. The Government play the fool. They are not. Not even close. They are sticking to the plan.

Many people are going to die. Already have.

But this is just the beginning. Welcome to the ‘Great Reset’.
This is the Holocaust on steroids. ++

121811 ▶▶▶ John Galt, replying to Arnie, 3, #1071 of 2397 🔗

This is exactly what I said once I read through the guidelines. It’s been pushed through solely to stop protests.

121725 Edward, 22, #1072 of 2397 🔗

Another draft letter, this one to a steam railway which I have an interest in. I’ll send similar letters to any organisation which begs me for money “in these difficult times”.

Thank you for your recent newsletter. My first reaction was that I should support you by buying more shares. On second thoughts I decided not to do so, for fear that I would be throwing good money after bad. I wish you success in your fund-raising, but I fear that your business cannot be viable while subject to current restrictions, which the Government shows no signs of relaxing.
Your problems are not caused by a virus, but by the Government’s insane policies which are a ludicrous over-reaction to the virus and a futile attempt to suppress it. Until now, most businesses have meekly accepted all Government-imposed restrictions. Now, as well as appealing to your supporters, you and other businesses need to go to the root of the problem by putting pressure on MPs, councillors, tourism officials and others of influence, emphasising that your business cannot survive under these restrictions.

121728 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #1073 of 2397 🔗

Credit to the two BBC reporters – Rachel Schraer and Nick Triggle (retweeting Carl Henegan). Could it be that the tide is turning somewhat with this new BBC guy in charge?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-54064347?__twitter_impression=true

121833 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1074 of 2397 🔗

Even the Jeremy Vine show seemed even handed

122076 ▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1075 of 2397 🔗

Had to scrape myself off the floor after reading that!

122395 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #1076 of 2397 🔗

Jeremy Vine is a sceptic

121730 Andrew, 2, #1077 of 2397 🔗
121732 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #1078 of 2397 🔗

Early on there was an argument of Economy vs Health.

The main thrust being the economy can recover but dead people can’t.

Now that people aren’t dying the argument is:

The economy can recover, long haulers, err…

121738 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #1079 of 2397 🔗

It’s difficult to argue with such stupidity. It’s a fake dichotomy. In the past, the dimwits would say ‘we can’t spend money that isn’t there’ – reducing the economy down to a household budget so they can understand it better. Now it’s lives vs economy.

Thick cunts.

121742 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1080 of 2397 🔗

If you spend money that isn’t there, you end up on the same salary of 40k, but to buy a loaf of bread, you might need one of these:

121753 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #1081 of 2397 🔗

Half-wits for sure.

BTW I get the passion behind the cursing (and I let off a tyrade last night) but us sceptics have to appear reasonable and calm else we lose the moral high ground versus the coronaphobes. Not lecturing, and I need to work on this myself too. But we are ambassadors for sanity and moderation. Losing our rag, and associating with anti-Vaxxers and the 5G lot, don’t help us. It’s a discipline!

121957 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #1082 of 2397 🔗

Cheer up, jh, I’m quite happy to associate with you. 🙂

122400 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to jhfreedom, #1083 of 2397 🔗

Nick and jh

Both right. It was badly worded

121741 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #1084 of 2397 🔗

Nah, the argument is: people aren’t dying, but they’re going to start doing so any minute, unless you do exactly what I say.

And after they’ve forced you to do what they ordered, they will say: see? I saved you.

121739 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 25, #1085 of 2397 🔗

More senseless,moronic and ultimately selfish rules by the English blood and transplant service.
My son who has donated more than 50 units of blood over the years has an exemption certificate from wearing a face nappy so he contacted the service to offer to give blood only to be told: ” No there are no exemptions, you either wear a mask or you don’t give blood”
To be fair the person who my son spoke to was very sympathetic and said that my son was one of many who found themselves in that situation.
I believe that my son and myself were among the 4% of people who donate blood; after losing countless volunteers after this pig headed decision I would think that that has dropped to around 0.4%.
How many people are going to die unnecessarily because of shortage of blood?
Are you proud of yourself; Hancock and the rest of this PATHETIC government? and the NHS Blood and donor service but most of all ; all you collaborators who like sheep continue to follow these increasingly stupid, farcical, pointless rules that are slowly but surely destroying the whole of society.

121743 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1086 of 2397 🔗

Peter Hitchens drove to Wales to give his!

121746 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to leggy, #1087 of 2397 🔗

True.
The problem is that my son doesn’t own a car and doesn’t drive.

121748 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to leggy, 4, #1088 of 2397 🔗

Would it be right to describe them as murderers, or is that going too far?

Certainly responsible for deaths, though I suppose their intention isn’t to kill, it’s an obsession with the virus that results in adverse consequences.

Though once you know the consequences you surely have a responsibility to factor them into your decision-making else you become morally culpable…

121781 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to jhfreedom, 1, #1089 of 2397 🔗

Manslaughter perhaps?

121824 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #1090 of 2397 🔗

Reckless endangerment in public office

121783 ▶▶▶▶ Kev, replying to jhfreedom, 2, #1091 of 2397 🔗

Genocide

121752 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #1092 of 2397 🔗

There’s also the issue of them being able to see your face for signs that you may be about to faint. Presumably, they don’t give a damn about that now.

121826 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1093 of 2397 🔗

My wife used to give regular blood but stopped when she found out it is now a privately owned company – originally sold to a company owned by Mitt Romney then sold on to a Chinese firm a few years later for a profit of £620 million.

I’ve spent too much time in Africa I was told and they don’t want mine.

121842 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Awkward Git, #1094 of 2397 🔗

I have been a donor for almost 50 years now and the service has steadily declined over the last few years.
It’s a missguided loyalty on my part and to tell the honest truth, I want to reach 100 donations (88 so far),
but at almost 72 and the shambolic way the donation service is run, I very much doubt it.

121744 Tee Ell, 2, #1095 of 2397 🔗

The Paul Kirkham / Dr Mike Yeadon / Barry Thomas paper is gold.

121751 Eve, 8, #1096 of 2397 🔗

Can I seek asylum in Sweden?

121765 Telpin, replying to Telpin, 8, #1097 of 2397 🔗

Lord Sumption on R4 World at One and backbencher, Charles Walker vice chairmen of 1922 committee arguing against exclusion of MPs Parliament from decision making

121793 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Telpin, #1098 of 2397 🔗

Is Charles Walker arguing for or against parliament being excluded?

121801 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Kev, 3, #1099 of 2397 🔗

Against exclusion- he’s saying he – ‘ and a few others’ want MPs debating new rules to ensure accountability and because the rules affect such fundamental issues. Essential for democracy. So there is disquiet at least amongst a few conservative MPs s

122152 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Telpin, #1100 of 2397 🔗

It’s time parliament got off their fat backsides and did the job WE pay them to do.

121778 Hannahbanana, replying to Hannahbanana, 7, #1101 of 2397 🔗

Just saw the news of the Oxford lab suspending their vaccine trials. There is so much at stake here (not public health of course, but maintaining the narrative, the fear, the control and financial gains) that it must be something fairly serious to pause preceeding.
The spokesperson gave no proper reason, just general guff about safety and how normal it was for trials to go on hold. I suspect it’s more serious though with so much on the table.

121802 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Hannahbanana, 3, #1102 of 2397 🔗

I get the feeling they thought they could slide it through, but like you say, something so serious happened that they were unable to.

121845 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Hannahbanana, 1, #1103 of 2397 🔗

Suspect it happened a while ago too. Wonder who knew and when – might it explain a few ‘experts’ and ministers panicking?

121858 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Hannahbanana, 2, #1104 of 2397 🔗

They said it was a serious reaction – is this Big Pharma speak for ‘death’?

Astra Zeneca are part Swedish-owned and Sweden had a high take-up of the swine flu vaccine – and thus a high number of narcolepsy cases. They will want to avoid bad publicity for any vaccine they plan to use in Sweden…

121909 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Carrie, #1105 of 2397 🔗

This is the guy currently on Sky, telling us not to worry – this is a sign that the process is working:

https://ughe.org/meet-the-team/peter-drobac/https://ughe.org/meet-the-team/peter-drobac/

I will leave you to draw your own conclusions!

121946 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1106 of 2397 🔗
121785 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 23, #1107 of 2397 🔗

He’s really lost the plot now! From The Telegraph live feed:

The Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said that the Government would eventually like all Britons to take a coronavirus test every morning to unlock the nation.

Speaking at Prime Minister’s Questions, Mr Johnson said: “A world we want to move to as fast as possible is a world where everyone can take enabling tests at the beginning of the day, an antigen test to identify whether or not we have the virus or not.

“That’s the vision that the Health Secretary and others have been sketching out in the last few days. That’s where we intend to get to.”

Mr Johnson added that such a test would be “like a pregnancy test [that works] within 15 minutes or so”.

Antigen tests that take as little as 15 minutes are to be rolled out in France amid concern there over the growing rate of infection.

Is there no limit to the level of grotesqueness now being displayed by our elected politicians?

121798 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tenchy, 10, #1108 of 2397 🔗

Get rid of this clown

121808 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1109 of 2397 🔗

There are no limits to any of this lunacy/evil.

None.

121853 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1110 of 2397 🔗

All our friends who said we were conspiracy theorists when we mentioned immunity passports etc now owe us an apology….

121898 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Carrie, 1, #1111 of 2397 🔗

No we don’t. The “immunity passport” CT was subject to a mandatory vaccination which is, er, absent.

I don’t agree with this one either, a test a day.

121913 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1112 of 2397 🔗

Well, the ‘etc’ in my post was doing the heavy lifting, and was meant to include the stages leading to the immunity passport , for example the tracking and tracing, testing (DNA collection) and the ‘traffic light’ system like China has, which I had mentioned to a few of my friends.

I should have explained myself better..

121854 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1113 of 2397 🔗

Crikey – so that is the masterplan then: we’ll all have to take a daily test to determine if we’re allowed out of our homes. How did it come to this?

121890 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1114 of 2397 🔗

Another Cupid Stunt thing.

The man (?) isn’t on this planet. You need to self-sanitize after reading such junk. I recommend :

https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac

121891 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1115 of 2397 🔗

fucking mental – for a cold

121893 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1116 of 2397 🔗

Say these tests cost £5 each, then we will spend £121,940,000,000 a year testing 67 million people each morning!

121900 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to JohnB, #1117 of 2397 🔗

if you’ve had it they don’t need to test you any more. tattoo the test code on your forearm, job done

121902 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to steve_w, 3, #1118 of 2397 🔗

Those tests are all little plastic rectangles too, therefore we will generate 25 billion of them each year that will go to landfill as they will be bio waste.So much for save the planet!

121918 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 11, #1119 of 2397 🔗

I sometimes wonder about the mental state of Johnson, Wancock and the rest of them. Have they actually thought about how this bonkers proposal could actually work in practice? They obviously haven’t, perhaps because they are quite thick. For starters, there would have to be a national DNA database and everyone would have to be in possession of a smart phone with some sort of digital ID capability. Then there’s the logistics of distributing the test kits, dealing with the inevitable false positives and false negatives, and justifying the astronomical cost of such an operation. There are of course many other obstacles, some of them verging on impossibility, that would have to be overcome to enact the proposal. I just despair! I suppose on the bright side, it is such a ludicrous idea that it will have no chance of implementation.

122049 ▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Tenchy, 4, #1120 of 2397 🔗

As you say it makes no sense at all although I might be able to accept the idea as a plot device for a novel, film or game. I do sometimes think that this whole sorry episode is best explained as people in power living out some strange disaster movie fantasy in which they save the world.

122146 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1121 of 2397 🔗

I wish he had died in a ditch along with Hancock, still the timeline isn’t crucial anytime soon will do.

121786 PWL, replying to PWL, 8, #1122 of 2397 🔗

The same “panicking” explanation that Hitchens peddles. It’s not a panic. It’s a plan.

UK Government has to be careful not to fall foul of Dolan’s judicial review, so is doing what it can for a psychological shock. But folks, it didn’t police the first lockdown. Take it easy. Do the hell what you like. And if really necessary, be cool with being a martyr.

Organise your community so that there is no access for enforcement. Withhold monies to corporate-government.

http://www.frombehindenemylines.org.uk/2019/04/not-paying-part-one-remember-no-taxation-without-representation-its-making-a-comeback/

121850 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to PWL, 4, #1123 of 2397 🔗

Surely they ARE falling foul of the judicial review, in that it is impossible for them to argue that the limitations on our freedoms are proportional – hardly anyone is dying so we should not be locked up, nor should we be forced to test daily (as Johnson has just announced)..

122134 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Carrie, #1124 of 2397 🔗

The best thing to do is ignore all their rules. Carry on regardless and live your lives.

121794 Arnie, replying to Arnie, 13, #1125 of 2397 🔗

This is just the beginning folks.

The Government had to do this lockdown before enough people had lost their jobs making it illegal to protest on the streets.

How long before people start being murdered for questioning the narrative? Lynchings anyone? I’m certainly seeing the talk on facebook and twitter.

I think the so called ‘unintended’ deaths from this covidfraud are going to be unprecedented. Fragmented, hands off, pitting people against each other and so on. By the time we collectively realise what is actually happening we’ll be up to our eyes in blood.

This industrial killing is what the top 1% want. The Great Reset. The Holocaust will be just a footnote compared to what is now coming down the track.

1). I am afraid.
2). These Colours don’t run.
3). I hope with all my heart that I am wrong.

121861 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Arnie, 1, #1126 of 2397 🔗

Die with your boots on – another Iron Maiden song to go with your No 2.

121799 Suzyv, replying to Suzyv, 2, #1127 of 2397 🔗

I think people need to go onto the YouGov website and and vote in the current survey. The surveys are only there for a very limited amount of time. I have been loooking at them recently simply to have a look at the topics they cover. This latest one asks about the new limit of 6 people and whether you agree with it and more concerning whether or not you would support a 10pm-5am curfew. I have heard on the grapevine that a lot of weight are given to these surveys, but don’t know if this is true or not.

121803 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Suzyv, 4, #1128 of 2397 🔗

50% strongly support the measures, 28% somewhat support – lower than previously but still so depressing.

121843 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1129 of 2397 🔗

Sorry, but I don’t believe that poll.

121805 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Suzyv, #1130 of 2397 🔗

link please

121812 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 3, #1132 of 2397 🔗

SPOILER:

The results are very depressing

121840 ▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Sarigan, #1133 of 2397 🔗

Indeed, I didn’t think they would be that supportive of the nonsense.

121857 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to davews, 2, #1134 of 2397 🔗

Or it’s just paid trolls, the 77th and 13th Signals filling it in to give the result desired as they know “government” take notice of yougov poll results.

121860 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1135 of 2397 🔗

Is Yougov still owned by Nadim Zahawi?

121922 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1136 of 2397 🔗

Very likely.. When the DT comments that flooded in on Hancock’s announcement last night were 100% critical, the 77th jumped in and started trolling. Comments including terms like ‘global reset’ got removed..

122157 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Awkward Git, #1137 of 2397 🔗

Crossed my mind too.

121815 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Suzyv, #1138 of 2397 🔗

So are these surveys self-selecting? In which case we all need to sign-up and add some sceptical weighting to all their surveys.

121864 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to zacaway, #1139 of 2397 🔗

Yep. I just signed up for the first time. Let’s take every opportunity

121889 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to zacaway, #1140 of 2397 🔗

link?

122130 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Suzyv, #1141 of 2397 🔗

Excellent idea – I’ve just signed up and will vote to restore some balance in this insane world.

122566 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Suzyv, #1142 of 2397 🔗

Nothing to do with the government, the name is deceiving

121800 Sarigan, 3, #1143 of 2397 🔗
121814 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #1144 of 2397 🔗

Encouraging news from DT live:

Matt Hancock Twitter late-night leak ‘unacceptable’, says Lindsay Hoyle

Lindsay Hoyle MP, the Speaker of the House of Commons, has said that the Health Secretary Matt Hancock must apologise after the new coronavirus restrictions were first revealed online.
The Speaker said he has sent a letter complaining to Mr Hancock, adding: “I think the total disregard for this chamber is not acceptable.”

Mr Hoyle told MPs that while decisions “have been taken in a fast moving situation”, timings for statements are nonetheless known to Government ministers, and said:

It’s really not good enough for the government to make decisions of this kind in a way which shows insufficient regard for the important of major policy announcements being made first to this house and to MPs wherever possible.

It’s not acceptable and I hope he will apologise to members.

I expect the Secretary of State to apologise to members and make sure this chamber knows first when he was fully aware, fully aware of what was going to be said later.

If this minister wants to run this chamber ragged, I can assure you now I’m sure a UQ [Urgent Question] every day might just begin to run him ragged.

121816 ▶▶ John Galt, replying to Cheezilla, 10, #1145 of 2397 🔗

The hilarity of the leak being unacceptable, but the content being fine…

121821 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to John Galt, 3, #1146 of 2397 🔗

It’s a start!

121829 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to John Galt, 4, #1147 of 2397 🔗

The speaker is impartial and can only intervene on matters of Parliamentary procedure.

121841 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to Cheezilla, #1148 of 2397 🔗

Is there a link to the clip of the Speaker?

121882 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1150 of 2397 🔗

Good for Hoyle. He needs to continue to be on the case at all times.

121818 Tim, 1, #1151 of 2397 🔗

Has anyone suggested ‘the Government totally sucks’ by Tenacious D for a theme tune?

121819 swedenborg, 1, #1152 of 2397 🔗

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1567134820301829 New article from Balloux.C-19 starting adapting to humans? “Emergence of genomic diversity and recurrent mutations in SARS-CoV-2 Phylogenetic estimates support that the COVID-2 pandemic started sometimes around 6 October 2019 – 11 December 2019.

The diversity of SARS-CoV-2 strains in many countries recapitulates its entire global diversity.

198 sites in the SARS-CoV-2 genome appear to have already undergone recurrent, independent mutations.

Detected recurrent mutations may indicate ongoing adaptation of SARS-CoV-2 to its novel human host.

Monitoring the build-up of genetic diversity in SARS-CoV-2 has potential to inform on targets for drugs and vaccines.

121827 Binra, #1153 of 2397 🔗

Glad to see the link to

  • Virus Mania – Check out the book on the massive overreaction to viral outbreaks by paranoid states by Torsten Engelbrecht, an award-winning investigative journalist in Hamburg. He wrote a piece recently about the unreliability of the PCR test for Off-Guardian

I also highly rate ‘Fear of the Invisible by Janine Roberts.

The ability to raise accepted dogma to question is not to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Yet of course those with the most investment in it will respond to open question as threat.

Even as we speak more is aligning in investment in the covid gravy train – whether masking for survival under a rapidly shrinking number of chairs to sit in when the music stops – or following inducement for funding, and personal profit in the Reset Economy – as premised.

If you think the basis of the covid is a novel departure from normal it is only in the mobilised, prepared and lubricated massive reaction. Some of which is indeed hapless – but even the fact of institutional failure has a backdrop of mission creep.

It can be said the ‘evils’ resulting from a fearful imagination merely’ enters the hollow of a lack of love allowed to fester under a mask of normal.

As for the empirical and coherent science beneath the wishful and marketised narratives that yield extreme short term dividends by hiding their cost in managed and medicated misery? We need it – if to release a false or conflicted basis – that otherwise locks us into tragic and ultimately absurd futility.
Everything that the covid narrative rests on can be legitimately questioned and found wanting.
The saying is ‘dont let fear get in the way of a good story’. But when fear becomes so unmasked as to render any masking story unchoosable, we have to find a better narrative interpretation of reality instead of trying to sacrifice everything and everyone to prop up the old one.

121828 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #1154 of 2397 🔗

United Nations forced to admit that vaccines from Bill Gates are spreading polio throughout Africa

the report outlines how polio vaccines from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation are spreading more polio throughout Africa. Not only that, but these “relief” jabs are killing young black lives in places like Chad and Sudan where outbreaks of the vaccine-induced disease are spreading like wildfire.

Amazingly, the WHO openly admits that the strain of poliovirus currently circulating, known as cVDPV2, is “vaccine-derived.” This clearly indicates that it is being spread by the very same vaccines that Bill Gates claims are helping to “save lives” and “eradicate polio.”

“Sequencing of viruses isolated in Sudan so far reflects that the viruses are related with viruses reported earlier in neighboring Chad from where there were multiple separate introductions into Sudan from Chad,” the report explains.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-09-08-united-nations-admits-vaccines-bill-gates-spreading-polio-africa.html

122778 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, #1155 of 2397 🔗

Thanks Victoria. Should be on all the front pages, you’d think …

121832 TJN, replying to TJN, 2, #1156 of 2397 🔗

I’m sure this has been asked on here before, but can’t recall the answers.

I’ve received a polite letter from the DHS asking if I’d like to ‘Take part in the largest COVID-19 testing research study in England’ – being conducted by Imperial College and Ipsos MORI. If I take part, and send off the swab, I’m promised the results a week later. Bit like entering the lottery, although in this one you can only loose.

Unfortunately, I don’t have a dog or cat from whom I can take a swab. There are lots of sheep and cows around here, but I don’t fancy my chances in getting a sample off them.

So what do I do with this unexpected opportunity? Is there a market in these letters, so I can sell it on?

121848 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to TJN, 2, #1157 of 2397 🔗

Got some fruit in the house?

121964 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to The Spingler, #1158 of 2397 🔗

Yes, but no goats.

121862 ▶▶ annie, replying to TJN, 2, #1159 of 2397 🔗

Send plain water. Or, if you feel extravagant, double malt.
Or Corona beer.That ought to rate a positive.

121966 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, #1160 of 2397 🔗

Well I’ve got an opened bottle of 27-year-old malt.

121874 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to TJN, 4, #1161 of 2397 🔗

get it out and just wave it about in the air

or leave it on a table in wetherspoons for an hour

121975 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to steve_w, 1, #1162 of 2397 🔗

I know people who believe that the virus is out there literally blowing in the wind.

122082 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to TJN, 1, #1163 of 2397 🔗

I don’t think that is uncommon you know. Muzzles at all times for them

122280 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to steve_w, #1164 of 2397 🔗

Glad I scrolled up to check what you were talking about there 😉

121879 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to TJN, #1165 of 2397 🔗

Look up the president of Tanzania’s response to this!

121959 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1166 of 2397 🔗

Yes, that made me think of the local sheep and cows.

I suppose I could always try to catch a bat.

121924 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to TJN, 1, #1167 of 2397 🔗

Fill in on behalf of your MP ? I’m sure he/she will be very busy at the mo …

121960 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to JohnB, #1168 of 2397 🔗

Cox doesn’t talk to me any more. Can’t think why.

121836 richard riewer, 4, #1169 of 2397 🔗

Don’t like Critical Theory? This is what President Trump did last week:

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/09/04/partys-over-trump-orders-purge-of-critical-race-theory-from-federal-agencies/
So simple. Take away their money. At least in Federal agencies where they had no business plying their trade.

121839 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 2, #1170 of 2397 🔗

Will Bradford become the test case for Melbourne 2.0? Robocops everywhere assaulting citizens, breaking down doors and taking you to jail?

121852 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to richard riewer, 5, #1171 of 2397 🔗

It seems they are trying to provoke the Muslims into a reaction.Nearly all the local lockdown areas in England are in places with a high Muslim population.Classic divide and rule as in the BLM protests.

121877 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 6, #1172 of 2397 🔗

Agree with that. The decision to lockdown on the evening before Eid was unforgiveable. I would defend my friendly taxi driver, who I have known for more than a decade, just as I would any other local friend or acquaintance. There’s good and bad everywhere, although I am struggling to find a ‘good’ politician in any party.

121908 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #1173 of 2397 🔗

Why would you start antagonising Muslims now? We’ve spent years trying to appease and not offend this portion of the population because of fear of consequences.

121916 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jonathan Smith, 1, #1174 of 2397 🔗

They now want consequences ?

122696 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1175 of 2397 🔗

Yes, I wondered that. Provoke and provoke the segment of the population into a violent reaction and then use Problem-Reaction-Solution to press forward with something resembling martial law to be used everywhere.

121920 ▶▶ Locked down and out, replying to richard riewer, 1, #1176 of 2397 🔗

Is there indeed some sort of connection between various and so-called hotspots such as Bradford, Dewsbury, Leicester, Kirklees, Blackburn with Darwen, Luton and Oldfam? Perhaps we should be told.

121929 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Locked down and out, #1177 of 2397 🔗

High population density? Community leaders dictating behaviour of their groups? (which might be compliance as regards vaccines???)

121849 Biker, replying to Biker, 8, #1178 of 2397 🔗

Your life doesn’t matter. These scum have decided that they can do with it as they see fit.

121851 ▶▶ hotrod, replying to Biker, #1179 of 2397 🔗

But you voted for him?

121859 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to hotrod, 4, #1180 of 2397 🔗

I voted for him as the lesser of a number of evils, but my opinion of him has changed since then. Mea culpa. I will consider “character” more closely next time, and consider not voting at all. But I don’t see why this would devalue in any way what I now think.

121870 ▶▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Julian, 4, #1181 of 2397 🔗

I wold struggle to vote conservative after this. but it depends on the alternatives. probably any independent. i would prefer a new party though

121896 ▶▶▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to steve_w, 4, #1182 of 2397 🔗

Most voted for him because like Brexit he and Cummings manipulated the narrative for their own means.

You have been had.

121936 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to hotrod, 3, #1183 of 2397 🔗

What was the alternative? As this has shown it’s one party politics, no one would’ve done anything different, they all would’ve locked down.

121941 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to hotrod, 3, #1184 of 2397 🔗

If Corbyn had been leader he’d have the army on the streets and he’d be walking around dressed like Castro.

122695 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Biker, #1185 of 2397 🔗

Yes, definitely. Boris may be a bit of a c**t, but Corbyn was an utter c**t.

121917 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Julian, 3, #1186 of 2397 🔗

Me too – can I return the defective product to the manufacturers?

122691 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Julian, #1187 of 2397 🔗

Clearly you and I voted for “the Lesser of Two Weevils”.

121948 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to hotrod, 3, #1188 of 2397 🔗

Spoilt my ballot paper.

121855 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #1189 of 2397 🔗

Asking myself today when out and about “why are people so docile, acquiescent and accepting of all this crap?”.

Does this explain the population’s docility?:

http://www.poisonpaste.com/fluoride-nazi-link.php

“At the end of the Second World War, the United States Government sent Charles Elliot Perkins, a research worker in chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology, to take charge of the vast Farben chemical plants in Germany.

While there, he was told by German chemists of a scheme which had been worked out by them during the war and adopted by the German General Staff.
“This scheme was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water. In this scheme, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place.

Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual’s power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotising a certain area of the brain, and will thus make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him .
“Both the Germans and the Russians added fluoride to the drinking water of prisoners of war to make them stupid and docile.”

121868 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1190 of 2397 🔗

I don’t think that you have to go down this road : just think Derren Brown. Think propaganda, too.

121881 ▶▶ annie, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1191 of 2397 🔗

How come it doesn’t work on us?

121894 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to annie, 3, #1192 of 2397 🔗

Because we all use fluoride-free toothpaste, surely ?

122034 ▶▶▶▶ Binra, replying to JohnB, #1193 of 2397 🔗

You mean sugar paste?

122758 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Binra, #1194 of 2397 🔗

Mine is bicarbonate of soda based. 🙂

122211 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to JohnB, 2, #1195 of 2397 🔗

I do! And I stopped myself and my family getting fluoride treatments at the dentist at least 10 years ago.

121944 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to annie, 1, #1196 of 2397 🔗

It’s cumulative over time apparently.

Maybe you’ve not had enough yet.

121897 ▶▶ Jonathan Smith, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1197 of 2397 🔗

You could undertake a study to see if lockdown scepticism correlates with areas with no fluoridation… you would have to control for the many sources of fluoride compounds that aren’t drinking water, and I don’t just mean toothpaste… Or you could just see the other comments here…

Are you sure it’s not mercury in fluorescent light bulbs making us docile… after all, they did force us to switch from incandescent.

121938 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Jonathan Smith, 1, #1198 of 2397 🔗

I use aloe vera toothpaste. Don’t think our water is fluoridated but I avoid drinking neat water unless there is nothing else available such as beer, cider, wine etc.

At work the rate from tankers has no fluoride.

It’s interesting reading of the history of fluoride in water supplies starting with ALCOA then the US atomic bomb experiments having sodium fluoride as a waste product needing to be got rid of at greta cost and how this morphed into putting it into water supplies after the war – once they found out what the Nazis and Russians were doing.

121940 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1199 of 2397 🔗

I also have an outside job so under fluorescent tubes and light bulbs very little of my time.

121952 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1200 of 2397 🔗

It’s a by-product of the aluminium industry too..

121986 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Carrie, 1, #1201 of 2397 🔗

Yep, that’s ALCOA – ALuminium COmpany of America.

AS dangerous waste it’s expensive to treat and dispose of.

As an additive to water supplies they could give it away, save money.

Reading the MSDS for it you don’t nat to drink it.

5g in a 70 KG adult is a fatal dose.

122043 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1202 of 2397 🔗

Hence the warnings on the tubes (in the USA at least) about contacting a poison control center if you swallow it… Stupid because the lining of the mouth is the fastest route into the bloodstream – hence why the emergency medicine (in spray form) for angina is used under the tongue..

122765 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Carrie, #1203 of 2397 🔗

I’ve heard that the trucks that deliver it to water treatment plants have the poison hazard markings.

121910 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1204 of 2397 🔗

.

122007 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to JohnB, 2, #1205 of 2397 🔗

i’m with you on the fluoride bro. Imagine putting the by product of the Nuclear industry in your mouth and thinking this is good for me

121950 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #1206 of 2397 🔗

Did you know that IG Farben became Moderna, the US company making one of the Covid vaccines? And do you know who owns it??

122009 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Carrie, 3, #1207 of 2397 🔗

IG Farben, along with other German chemical companies – financed by the US bankers and had IBM technology in the run up to WW2 and for the first few years it was ongoing.

Nowadays our favourite billionaire is involved.

122047 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1208 of 2397 🔗

Yes, Soros – and Jeffrey Epstein was too apparently…

121970 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1209 of 2397 🔗

Bloody hell. I don’t drink tap water. Here in NW Essex it tastes awful and it gives me stomach ache. I use the cheapo bottled stuff from Aldi. Is this why I am an awkward bugger perhaps?

122012 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to kh1485, 2, #1210 of 2397 🔗
122772 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, #1211 of 2397 🔗

Crikey, there’s been a significant increase since I last looked at such data. Thanks AG.

122083 ▶▶ Binra, replying to Awkward Git, -1, #1212 of 2397 🔗

This is part of the idea of control by limitation. The lockdown into a limited control zone is the basis for subjugation of the higher or subtler intelligence of the whole to the split or fragmented dissociation and conflict of parts that becomes compartmentalised and toxic to each other in effect – though ultimately springing from a unified cause.

In yourself you can find there are areas of your mind or experience from which you mind recoils and blocks out by whatever means is to hand.

Medical manacles are of course NOT medicine – but are part of limiting a collective or societal expression of ‘control’ set over unresolved conflicts.

Many who are adapted to this as their ‘normal’ might suffer and struggle greatly if directly deprived of their ‘masking’ adaptation. This can be seen in the hell that many suffer when trying to come off of psychopharma too quickly – for they generate a negative dependency – that is they set up a chemical imbalance that is masked by continuing to take them and revealed when coming off.

The key as I see it is awakening responsibility. When a child shows the wherewithal to explore and a corresponding ability to expand their world, they deserve support not denial.
Support includes an extension of trust in their ability to make mistakes and learn from them. Not sympathy for weakness that masks as support!

If you become aware of toxic exposures in your world, you might think you have to wake everyone else up first, but you didn’t ‘wake up’ until it was your timing and if this isn’t integrated you haven’t really woke but become a megaphone for a problem that generates fear without a context of solution.

This does generate a market of attention and perhaps funding in search of solutions. But this in turn becomes a way of manipulating the minds of the unwary by setting fear threats and then ‘providing the solutions’ – that in fact protect the revenue stream and therefore the problem from cure.

So if push comes to shove, ditch the mercury and switch to aluminium.
The underlying principles seem less important within a drama, but the drama is endlessly reiterating from the underlying patterns of thought.
How much of human development is really ever more complex ways to limit our awareness under the belief we are expanding in power of control?
And that includes controlling our narrative of our past so as to set the present to ‘control’ the future.

121869 mjr, replying to mjr, 15, #1213 of 2397 🔗

Aldi – the ongoing saga of staff wearing masks

Regular readers will recall i have posted a couple of times (last one yesterday see this for full email trail ) about trying to get to the bottom of their staff mask policy. I had been told by staff that they were instructed to wear masks whilst on the floor (but could remove when on the till).

Aldi initially told me that staff were wearing masks in accordance with government guidelines. I pointed out that guidelines were that shop workers did not have to wear masks.

Anyway, email today from Aldi
We are not forcing our staff to wear masks and it will not end in disciplinary action if they do not wear a mask.
Aldi as a company are adhering to all Government Guidelines during the current climate and our staff and customers safety is our main priority.”

My response
“Thanks for the clarification ..
Having a choice wasnt the impression i got from the staff. I will mention this when i go in later in the week and see if the message has got through”

Which I will. Anybody else that visits Aldi in the next couple of days might want to chat with staff and ask them what they think the position is and see if they now know it is optional.

Have i changed Aldi policy???? OMG! the power!.

121883 ▶▶ annie, replying to mjr, 1, #1214 of 2397 🔗

👏 👏 👏

121884 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to mjr, 2, #1215 of 2397 🔗

NICE!

122069 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mjr, 3, #1216 of 2397 🔗

Bring the email printed and give it to them. That is the way. I have huge respect for you.

121873 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 16, #1217 of 2397 🔗

The UK to date has to date been a relative democracy. And judging by the results of the YouGov poll referred to earlier, it would seem that the majority want the government to tell them what to do, they want laws enacted for their ‘protection’ against the virus. They no longer wish to think for themselves. They want the draconian lockdowns, curfews, restrictions and curtailment of our freedoms. They want to be muzzled. As we live in a democracy and that is what the majority of people want, then what can we do? Nothing! The government is enacting the will of the people – hence no argument from MPs.

This is beyond depressing!

121887 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to HelzBelz, 8, #1218 of 2397 🔗

Yougov polls are basically fiction.

122655 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to JohnB, #1219 of 2397 🔗

Sorry, they aren’t – at least, not quite.

What YouGov polls do is to select for the most extreme left-wing and autocratic socialist view, then ask them “What do you think?” I have noticed this many times as a slightly right-ish person. If you go onto the comments sections, they are all at it. What YouGov is, basically, is a self-selecting list of bed-wetters which skews the answer in the direction required.

Every time I have given my opinions it has been noticeable that my surveys have skipped over a number of questions when the answers required have veered away from what I would have answered. They “control” for most variables and other factors, except for left-leaning opinion. Quora and that website where you sign up to agree with a petition (can’t remember the name) are very similar. This sort of website is infested with the sort of people who like being “activists”. Then they wonder why there is a sudden surprise in polling.

122798 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RichardJames, #1220 of 2397 🔗

Yep, fair points, Richard.

121888 ▶▶ annie, replying to HelzBelz, 6, #1221 of 2397 🔗

I very much doubt that it is the will of the majority. It is the apparent will of the tame Twitterzombies.

121904 ▶▶ Will, replying to HelzBelz, 2, #1222 of 2397 🔗

And that is why the country was locked down in the first place, it was a popular decision. I don’t believe that poll, however.

122569 ▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Will, #1223 of 2397 🔗

How do we know it was a popular decision ?.Only if you think whats on twitter or facebook is the Will of the people.Nobody knocked on my door or yours or anyone else i know.

121919 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to HelzBelz, 5, #1224 of 2397 🔗

It’s not all that suprising given that the most common media sources (BBC, national newspapers) are now the propaganda wing of the government. Most of the population is simply not being given the facts and, as a result, are terrified out of their wits.

121939 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Chicot, 2, #1225 of 2397 🔗

The figures Toby quoted on the radio last night, of people’s estimates of the proportion of the population that have died from covid 19, were shocking – estimates of 7%, which would be up in the millions… The risk has been vastly overstated and people have ‘bought’ the MSM lies and ‘death porn’..

121969 ▶▶▶▶ Coronamoana, replying to Carrie, 1, #1226 of 2397 🔗

Someone told me: it’s 10% because it’s the same as flu and that’s what flu is!

122025 ▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to Carrie, 2, #1227 of 2397 🔗

I imagine that some people probably aren’t even aware of the population of the UK so wouldn’t be able to work out 7%.

122319 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #1228 of 2397 🔗

Sounds like those polls where they only ask the ones they’ll get the correct answer from. The DM is going crazy with people ranting about restrictions, they are angry people

122659 ▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Dan Clarke, #1229 of 2397 🔗

Yes, the DM gives me a modicum of hope.

122564 ▶▶ wat tyler, replying to HelzBelz, #1230 of 2397 🔗

Stop believing an online poll represents what the majority of the people in the country feel .Some div sitting in an office or at home having a break from netflix ,with too much time on his hands fills in an online form and its taken as gospel .Its by percent ,maybe only five or ten people even took part.

121907 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 19, #1231 of 2397 🔗

Wife in an angry mood out and about at Bridgemere Garden centre today at the stupidity of people in general. In a loud voice she actually said to a lot of people walking past “what part of we are outside so masks not needed don’t you understand” which is normally me doing something similar so not in character for her.

Inside a couple in their fashioned matched muzzles and him wearing blue gloves and her in pink ones saw us, pointed, looked away, moved around the shelving with their backs to us so my wife shouts out “we’ve nothing catching, are you so stupid you have to behave like that? what is wrong with you?” so she really is angry today.

Few good things though:

  • the outside fruit and veg stall are sceptics but cannot say too much with other customers present but was very chatty with just us there, she was only taking cash as well
  • made wife laugh when we walked past the queue waiting to go into the coffee shop all standing there in their nice muzzles, socially distanced, silent I said “it’s not that good in there so why queue? You know what they remind me of? A flock of sheep lined up waiting to go into the slaughterhouse”. That raised a chuckle an cheered her up.
  • inside hobby craft an obviously upset child of about 2-3 in a pushchair was not coping with all the amused people and no eye contact with anyone. Her muzzled mother was ignoring her. She looked at em and the wife as we were the only 2 free-faced so I smiled, she smiled back, I waved, she smiled and waved, my wife says “you don’t like kids”, my answer “but she’s scared of all the masks so just giving her a smile, her mother glares at us and walks off.
  • Later on saw same girl in a pushchair and she waved and smiled at us. Again her mother turned around and went another direction which is sad.
121921 ▶▶ annie, replying to Awkward Git, 9, #1232 of 2397 🔗

That is walking the walk and talking the talk, well done.

What Nappyfaces are doing to small children doesn’t bear thinking about, let alone nappying small children’s faces.

121930 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to annie, 14, #1233 of 2397 🔗

Wife not normally this angry but she’s getting worse – in a catch 22, doesn’t want to stay in a she’s feeling trapped and getting cabin fever, doesn’t want to go out as the stupidity is really getting her down.

121963 ▶▶▶▶ Coronamoana, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1234 of 2397 🔗

Sounds like I have a lot in common with your wife.

122629 ▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Coronamoana, 1, #1235 of 2397 🔗

Me too; best wishes to both of you.

122008 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #1236 of 2397 🔗

Just how I feel nowadays.A mixture of stir craziness and mounting exasperation.

122190 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1237 of 2397 🔗

I SO get it! I’m thankful every day for our isolated country home. Hubby does all the shopping as I won’t mask up. We have a few friends who are normal with whom we socialize and some family come up and stay as well on occasion. There’s a bit of cabin fever, but I can hike on my own property for exercise and go for days and weeks without seeing anyone in a muzzle. I’ve created a situation such that any further crazy measures like curfews or another lockdown won’t change my life in the slightest. About a month or so ago I realized I’d hit bottom and it probably won’t get any worse (small picture, though big picture I realize things can get a LOT worse). I know how fortunate I am to be able to insulate myself to a large degree, but having said that I’d be the first to get back out there and spend my money at shops and restaurants the minute masks aren’t mandatory. I don’t see that happening anytime soon.

121926 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1238 of 2397 🔗

I menat muzzled people, not amused.

Bloody text correction.

121979 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Awkward Git, 10, #1239 of 2397 🔗

See how angry your wife is, multiply that by 33 times and and that’s how angry i am. Not only have i to wait another day for my new engine for a bike of mine i’ve just heard this news and my blood pressure is forcing the chicken spread sandwich i just ate out my eyes

122058 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1240 of 2397 🔗

Good for Mrs Awkward !, I think I am a kindred spirit,I’ve vented my anger on a few morons just lately.I had to go to the pharmacy last week and walking there passing all the zombies in the streets made my blood boil to the point where I shouted ‘what the bloody hell is wrong with you ?’ to the smug moron proudly marching down the street with his huge Notts Forest FC muzzle on,he did look a bit surprised !.By the way,it was the muzzle I objected to,not Forest,I don’t have an opinion on them either way !.

122633 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Paul, 1, #1241 of 2397 🔗

You have to be a bit careful. Several times I’ve switched on my ‘I hate nappied zombies’ scowl to meet an approaching figure, only to find it’s a man with a beard. Hastily assume welcoming smile.
The latest abomination seems to be a plasticised nappy that makes the face look exactly like a baby’s bum, only stupider.

121911 annie, replying to annie, 17, #1242 of 2397 🔗

For Christians who may be feeling low.
Text by Gerard Markland, beautifully set to music by Philip Stopford, many recordings available on you tube.

Do not be afraid.
Do not be afraid, for I have redeemed you,
I have called you by your name,
You are mine.

When you walk through the waters, I’ll be with you,
You will never sink beneath the waves.
When the fire is burning all around you,
You will never be consumed by the flames.

Do not be afraid.

When the fear of loneliness is looming,
Then remember I am at your side,
When you dwell in the exile of a stranger,
Remember you are precious in my eyes.

Do not be afraid.

You are mine, o my child,
I am your Father,
And I love you with a perfect love.

Do not be afraid.
Do not be afraid, for I have redeemed you,
l have called you by your name,
You are mine.

121932 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to annie, 2, #1243 of 2397 🔗

Thank you x

121934 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to annie, 2, #1244 of 2397 🔗

Thank you. It lifts the spirit in these dark times.

121972 ▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, #1245 of 2397 🔗

I never knew Philip Schofield made music, and he was me thinking he was just an ex BBC employee with a liking for forbidden fruits

122001 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to annie, #1246 of 2397 🔗

This is excellent. All soldiers fighting for righteousness need spiritual food. (Somewhat misquoted)…”when you see these things happening, look up and rejoice, for redemption draws near”.

122091 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to annie, 1, #1247 of 2397 🔗

That made me teary! 😢

121923 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, #1248 of 2397 🔗

What a sleaze ball “Matt Hancock blames British public for getting too many coronavirus

tests”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/matt-hancock-blames-british-public-22652044

121981 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to T. Prince, 5, #1249 of 2397 🔗

… and the DT carries the headline: “I want every Briton to take a daily test says Boris Johnson”. Some good joined up thinking then?

121925 Kelly deacons, replying to Kelly deacons, 15, #1250 of 2397 🔗

Beyond angry now.Just had a visit from my niece.She managed to get an early morning GP appt for her 8 yr old.The school refused the child entry to her school afterwards……because she had left her *bubble* for the day!

That’s it,Im beyond words,beyond fury.

121928 ▶▶ Andrew, replying to Kelly deacons, 4, #1251 of 2397 🔗

Welcome to CHINA

121956 ▶▶▶ Kelly deacons, replying to Andrew, 7, #1252 of 2397 🔗

My niece also has a terminally ill 12 yr old who was attending a hospice one day a week for care and counselling.They closed in March,only now opened,but for *emergencies*only.

121973 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew, replying to Kelly deacons, 5, #1253 of 2397 🔗

Shocking beyond words.

122087 ▶▶▶▶ Liam, replying to Kelly deacons, 4, #1254 of 2397 🔗

Christ almighty. This evil needs to be atoned for.

122623 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Liam, #1255 of 2397 🔗

Evil it is.
My explanation for the situation we are in: it’s the Devil’s work.
I am not joking. Pure evil, for evil’s sake. Evil beyond the human, working through those who have willingly given up their humanity.The Devil doesn’t need to show himself in horns and a tail when he has people like that working for him.

122063 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Kelly deacons, 3, #1256 of 2397 🔗

I swear this is insane.

121937 Andrew, replying to Andrew, 7, #1257 of 2397 🔗

Anyone regretting voting for this gov yet?

121945 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Andrew, 3, #1258 of 2397 🔗

There was an anecdote reported last year that when Johnson was young he was asked what he wanted to be when he grow up… “Kind of the World” he said. Seemed like a fun joke then, but maybe that was a window into his soul.

Yes, I regret voting for him, although I’m not convinced we’d be any better under Corbyn. Though possibly not worse off either.

121958 ▶▶▶ Andrew, replying to zacaway, 4, #1259 of 2397 🔗

You are right the gov are just puppets now for the NWO. Any party would have bowed as you can see by the response from the opposition as we speak. The people have been left to die.

121965 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to zacaway, 1, #1260 of 2397 🔗

Typo… “King of the World”.

121971 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Andrew, 5, #1261 of 2397 🔗

Spilt my ballot paper with “none of these idiots”w written across it.

122021 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1262 of 2397 🔗

I spoilt my ballot too, still satisfied with that choice.

122028 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to DRW, 1, #1263 of 2397 🔗

Wise ones! I stupidly voted LibDem. I don’t think they exist anymore do they?

122081 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Jo, #1264 of 2397 🔗

Bozo and his clan are Libdems that is why the real party cannot get anywhere

121982 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Andrew, 1, #1265 of 2397 🔗

Yes, as I never tire of telling Cox. I hope he regrets getting me as a constituent.

121983 ▶▶ Will, replying to Andrew, 1, #1266 of 2397 🔗

I regret that the Labour Party had a strategically shaved monkey in a red tie and a suit in charge of it, which made them unelectable. But the alternative to the Tories running this shit show would have been even worse and no matter who it is, if the Tory leader and PM looks like he is going to lose the Tories power, he will be gone!!! Gove has been biding very quiet and we can be certain that his wife knows exactly what she was doing publishing that article today.

122033 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Will, #1267 of 2397 🔗

Jeez! Talking of monkeys – when Gove becomes the best second-choice idiot, you know the country has real problems.

Whatever you can say about Corbyn – at least he had those rare items absent on the front benches – principle, honesty and a brain. (And didn’t have Cummings’s hand up his bum).

122046 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to RickH, 3, #1268 of 2397 🔗

Sorry, Corbyn is as thick as mince. He is nearly as stupid as Handcock.

122078 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Andrew, #1269 of 2397 🔗

I didn’t vote last time. Although I’m naturally Conservative I cottoned on some time ago these CONservatives were conmen.

121943 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #1270 of 2397 🔗

Important update from the constabulary regarding social gatherings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IopwxPRASdk

121951 Biker, replying to Biker, 11, #1271 of 2397 🔗

It’s gone on too long now and i can’t take it any more i may have to have a drink

122022 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Biker, 6, #1272 of 2397 🔗

You mean you’ve paused? 🙂

It’s the lockdown drug of choice.

122534 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to RickH, #1273 of 2397 🔗

i’ve been drunk once through this whole thing. I’m a clean living man these days

121962 Andrew, replying to Andrew, 4, #1274 of 2397 🔗

What time is Boris coming on the telly to tell some more lies?

121968 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Andrew, 5, #1275 of 2397 🔗

4pm I think. I just can’t watch it. It will be one of the most infuriating spectacles imaginable.

121980 ▶▶▶ Andrew, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1276 of 2397 🔗

I remember the first one. That had the country hooked. This one could be very messy. Shame the media are all in on it.

121997 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Andrew, 12, #1277 of 2397 🔗

Media? we don’t have media we have actors and propaganda readers. The people in the media are lying evil mother fuckers. Just remember every single one of them knew what Jimmy Savile was doing, makes you think how many of them were and still are doing that sort of thing. If i were to hazard a guess i’d say 99% of them.

121978 Andrew, replying to Andrew, 8, #1278 of 2397 🔗

I hear a lot about people “waking up” but I don’t see it on the streets. Is it really happening?

121989 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Andrew, 11, #1279 of 2397 🔗

no, there is no hope, we’re all doomed. I’m already resigned to being interned in a reeducation camp where i’ll be tortured until i accept the Bill Gates aids vaccine. That’s what they’re doing you know. We’re all gonna get a vaccine that kills our immune system and those that don’t will be part of the half a billion chosen to live on the new green sustainable earth. It sounds like the plot of a movie but i tell you this we are in a fight for our lives.

121992 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Andrew, 4, #1280 of 2397 🔗

They are taking a long time about waking up – for me the most sensible folk I meet are when walking the dog on the fens.

121998 ▶▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to KBuchanan, 10, #1281 of 2397 🔗

Somebody said to me yesterday “but cases are going up – someone died in Scotland”

I said people die every

122019 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Andrew, 2, #1282 of 2397 🔗

Well – as I commented earlier, there was certainly some evidence on Sunday when we drove up from Bristol. Slow, but noticeable inching forward.

… which is why , when the leaks and panic fodder began emerging immediately after, I rightly feared the worst – which then emerged into daylight.

This lot can’t afford to let the truth emerge about how useless they are – so we have :

  1. The ‘second wave’.
  2. The rising ‘R’ number
  3. The casedemic.

… all leading to :

LOCKDOWN!

Quelle surprise!

121984 The Spingler, replying to The Spingler, 13, #1283 of 2397 🔗

PMQ’s. Boris says he wants every person in the country to take an antigen test every single day. Apart from it being a stupid idea because it’s not proportionate to the actual risk from covid and because of what we know about PCR tests, BUT how would it even work on a practical level? You couldn’t police it, you couldn’t admin it – doesn’t he listen to himself?

121999 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to The Spingler, 4, #1284 of 2397 🔗

You’ll have the screen in the house watching you won’t you?

122005 ▶▶ RickH, replying to The Spingler, 14, #1285 of 2397 🔗

Let’s face it – he’s in sectioning and straight-jacket territory with comments like that.

122018 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to The Spingler, 5, #1286 of 2397 🔗

Well, I expect the general idea is you take the test and it records your result in some fashion, then you are required to produce “your papers” (or electronic, whatever) showing if you are kosha or not, to be allowed to do anything. Like take transport, enter shops, workplace etc. And the local plod can ask anyone for their “papers” please if they see you out and about.

122051 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to zacaway, 3, #1287 of 2397 🔗

Yeah, Chinese style digital test IDs have been pushed for months.
See this great David Cullen/Computing Forever video: https://www.bitchute.com/video/4tLcwsCrAmI/

122387 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to zacaway, 3, #1288 of 2397 🔗

So, only 2 hours later and now it’s clear: Boris is setting up “Covid-19 Secure Marshals” to enforce the rules. So our very own Gestapo or Stasi volunteers. Great.

122037 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to The Spingler, 3, #1289 of 2397 🔗

The magic money tree is just giving and giving

122054 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to The Spingler, 5, #1290 of 2397 🔗

I do not think he ever fully recovered from his own bout of Covid 19, not physically nor mentally. He just seems to open his mouth and what comes out is the shear serendipity of whatever nonsensical nightmare is going through his head at that time.

122077 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to The Spingler, 4, #1291 of 2397 🔗

He can stick his antigen test where the sun don’t shine!

121988 KBuchanan, replying to KBuchanan, 14, #1292 of 2397 🔗

That picture of Alexander Piffle Johnson – straw like hair, gurning as he does in literally EVERY picture taken of him leaves only one question – which village is missing it’s idiot?

122000 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to KBuchanan, 1, #1293 of 2397 🔗

That look explains why he’s got a much younger woman but she really ugly

121991 PaulC, replying to PaulC, 38, #1294 of 2397 🔗

28 August, Sweden allows gatherings to increase from 50 to 500.
14 September, UK gatherings goes down to 6.

Who had a lockdown?

121993 ▶▶ Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to PaulC, 7, #1295 of 2397 🔗

BBC, SKY and the gang will never point that out.

122030 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to PaulC, 5, #1296 of 2397 🔗

Not quite accurate re Sweden – the increase was announced then, but will not take effect till 1st October..

122035 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Carrie, #1297 of 2397 🔗

Could you post the latest figures from Sweden please, Carrie.

122070 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, 1, #1299 of 2397 🔗

Good, but you need to be able to speak Swedish to follow those, don’t you?!
Although some bits are a bit obvious..

122089 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Carrie, #1300 of 2397 🔗

Google translate was sufficient for the main graphs. What I don’t know, and you may be able to help me with this, is whether there’s anywhere that gives the number of tests done.

122104 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, #1301 of 2397 🔗

I will look – but saw something on Twitter the other day where if I remember rightly it said that they had done 87,000 tests recently, of which only 1.6% were positive? I’ll check again..

122348 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Carrie, #1302 of 2397 🔗

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/statistik-och-analyser/genomforda-tester-for-covid-19/

Charts of PCR and antibody tests done in Sweden over the last few weeks. In week 36 (last week) they did 126,219 PCR tests.

Fig 1 shows number of PCR tests (green bar) and antibody tests (purple) by week (weeks 27 to 36). You can see that the testing was ramped up last week.

Table 2 shows number of PCR tests carried out by region, with number of positives in the right hand column. Fig. 2 shows the same info in bar form where the green is the proportion of negatives and the purple (mostly barely visible for most regions!) is the number of positives.

122068 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Will, #1303 of 2397 🔗

This is my source: https://www.dn.se/nyheter/grafik-det-nya-coronavirusets-utbredning-i-varlden/

Scroll down to the heading ‘ Patienter i Sverige som just nu vårdas på intensivvårdsavdelning (IVA)’ (Patients in Sweden currently being treated in intensive care)
The table actually shows numbers in hospital per region, and then in the far right column, the number of those who are in intensive care. The intensive care numbers are included in the numbers in the other column. So if you look at the top region, Västra Götaland (which is the Gothenburg region), there are 36 people in hospital, * of whom * 4 are in intensive care – don’t add the columns! Note all the zeros in intensive care..

The figures in brackets show numbers up or down since the last stats were issued – currently they are releasing figures twice a week. Next release will be on Friday..

122067 ▶▶▶ PaulC, replying to Carrie, 2, #1304 of 2397 🔗

Quite right – should have said ‘will allow’!
Still sounds a lot more cheerful than the UK where we are going backwards

122096 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to PaulC, #1305 of 2397 🔗

Definitely is!

122004 Sir Patrick Vaccine, #1306 of 2397 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSmtTWCpwQo

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These chunk monster Labrador puppies realize how vital belly rubs are to a dogs life!

122014 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 7, #1307 of 2397 🔗

Hancock must have been badly bullied as a child.

122031 ▶▶ Will, replying to Hubes, 14, #1308 of 2397 🔗

He’d be badly bullied now if I bumped into him, the prick.

122039 ▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to Will, 3, #1309 of 2397 🔗

I’m surprised he has the nerve to venture out in public.

122097 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Hubes, 1, #1310 of 2397 🔗

Bet he’s surrounded by Stasi pigs

122026 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 18, #1311 of 2397 🔗

Only a matter of time before they try and get websites like this closed as a risk to public health. Mark my words.

122050 ▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to Achilles, 5, #1312 of 2397 🔗

Comments have “disappeared” from Spiked Online already. Plus Yahoo got rid of them a month or so ago too.

122524 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to KBuchanan, 1, #1313 of 2397 🔗

i’m shadow banned on youtube

122059 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Achilles, 7, #1314 of 2397 🔗

I did wonder about that. Clearly the limit of six people outdoors is for one thing only, to stop protests. Sites like this may well be next in the firing line.

122085 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Achilles, 2, #1315 of 2397 🔗

You can post here without an account, but if most of us have accounts I guess if the site gets shut they could use the email addresses to contact us with a new location.

122032 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 11, #1316 of 2397 🔗

Just reported on Sky:

Matt Hancock told Sky News the reason many people have reported being unable to book a test is because the proportion of those asking for them who have no symptoms has risen to 25%.

You are eligible for a test if you have symptoms of coronavirus or if you have a very specific reason otherwise. We have seen an increase, and about 25% of people who are coming forward don’t have symptoms and aren’t eligible.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-health-secretary-blames-people-with-no-symptoms-getting-tests-on-system-strain-12067065

So was the intention that only people with symptoms are supposed to be tested? Is this why the government is confused – they only just noticed there are a boatload of asymptomatic positive cases? Can we have our freedom back now?

122048 ▶▶ Hubes, replying to zacaway, 12, #1317 of 2397 🔗

Not having any symptoms is the main symptom remember.

Seriously though the amount of drivel the government keep coming out with is beyond ridiculous. If people don’t need to get tested if they don’t have any symptoms, then they don’t need to do anything else if they have no symptoms (masks, quarantine).

122056 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Hubes, 4, #1318 of 2397 🔗

Makes sense! So obviously, Johnson now wants to test everybody, every single day.

122057 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to zacaway, 8, #1319 of 2397 🔗

That man really gets up my nose.

122061 ▶▶▶▶ KBuchanan, replying to zacaway, 5, #1320 of 2397 🔗

Even Conservative Home website have Johnson is actually bonkers comments after his test every day idea.

122090 ▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to KBuchanan, 6, #1321 of 2397 🔗

So why aren’t there any Tory MPs trying to oust him? Where’s the vote of no confidence? He is quite clearly mentally incapacitated. If he was in charge of a U-boat he’d have been ousted by the first officer long ago. It’s the silent MPs presiding over this who are the real scum.

122141 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Achilles, #1322 of 2397 🔗

I have emailed my Tory mp today to ask just that

122064 ▶▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to zacaway, 4, #1323 of 2397 🔗

That might be the most ridiculous thing he’s said since March and that’s saying something.

122117 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Hubes, #1324 of 2397 🔗

Johnson – the gift that keeps on giving. If we had an Opposition that is!

122073 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to zacaway, 3, #1325 of 2397 🔗

Never mind about testing for something that’s disappearing what about putting the NHS to work!

122111 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Hubes, 1, #1326 of 2397 🔗

ONS testing showed 72% had no symptoms, so yes, overwhelming proof that not having any symptoms is the main symptom!

122055 ▶▶ annie, replying to zacaway, 1, #1327 of 2397 🔗

Oh yes, sure, did you lose it? Sorry.

122071 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to annie, 1, #1328 of 2397 🔗

Reminds me of this scene, let’s not argue about who took who’s freedom, after Hancock’s rampage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxFrXuly_B0

Sorry, sorry, I just get carried away with these restrictions.

122139 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to zacaway, 1, #1329 of 2397 🔗

I suspect a lot of people are being required by employers, etc, to get tested, and they’ll have no symptoms.

122060 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 4, #1331 of 2397 🔗

This news comes from the hometown of #99 Wayne Gretzky, one of hockey’s greatest players. The Mayor there closed the hockey arena to the public but uses it for himself and his buddies. If you protest about it he calls the police to break up your protest.

https://www.rebelnews.com/brampton_ontario_mayor_patrick_brown_caught_breaking_pandemic_rules_closed_hockey_arena

122122 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to richard riewer, 2, #1332 of 2397 🔗

Is this the same mayor who had the Rebel News reporter arrested for catching him breaking his own rules??

122156 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Lms23, 2, #1333 of 2397 🔗

Yup!

122062 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #1334 of 2397 🔗

Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac
Ivor Cummins
97.7K subscribers

The ultimate update on our viral issue, bar none – Sept 8th 2020 . Get educated guys and gals – or gkeep your head in the sand while your errant leaders destroy society around you… 😉

122125 ▶▶ Small guy, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #1335 of 2397 🔗

Superb analysis of the data in historical context. I especially liked the explanation of situation in the US. Of course, governments around the world will ignore the real world evidence around them, and continue to assert that they can control nature, in some kind of twisted anti King Canute aprocryphal tale.

122099 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Bella Donna, #1337 of 2397 🔗

Reading or watching?

122102 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1338 of 2397 🔗

Very good read, watching it did little.

122072 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1339 of 2397 🔗

“Has lockdown gone too far! ?”
“Is the cure worse than the disease ? !”

Those of you that poo poo’d my suggestion to listen to Jeremy Vine discuss the above at midday were all wrong so there.

122079 ▶▶ Julian, replying to karenovirus, 1, #1340 of 2397 🔗

Glad to hear it!

122187 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Julian, #1341 of 2397 🔗

They might have been cheered up a bit had they but listened !

122181 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 2, #1342 of 2397 🔗

Listened and was surprised how fair it was.Dr John Lee was excellent and they even had skeptical callers.

122221 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #1343 of 2397 🔗

Thanks Jonathan.
Sceptic Dr Lee destroyed the government SpokesProffesor with his 6 month old script.
Listener input began with Miriam
“Your question is an insult to those who died from this terrible disease. ..”

Jeremy then read out 9 or 10 responses, all of which were sceptic to varying degrees, with points that we are familiar with.
Did Jeremy exclude Covofanatic points of view, or were none available ?

122074 Strange Days, replying to Strange Days, 31, #1344 of 2397 🔗

From Twitter

Kirstie Allsopp@KirstieMAllsopp
Dear
@MattHancock
it take two to tango. If an older person choses to see younger family/friends & subsequently catches Covid & dies (remembering that is very much against the odds) it’s NO ONE’S FAULT. Don’t kill Granny is the most twisted health message ever.

https://twitter.com/KirstieMAllsopp/status/1302730848001839104

5.9k likes at 15:43

122094 ▶▶ Will, replying to Strange Days, 7, #1345 of 2397 🔗

Well said Kirstie!!!

122113 ▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Will, 3, #1346 of 2397 🔗

Yes, and it is encouraging to see so many likes on Twitter.

122109 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Strange Days, 7, #1347 of 2397 🔗

Well done. She’s right.

Slef accountability is nowhere to be seen among many of the population

122171 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Strange Days, 2, #1348 of 2397 🔗

Granny is killing us!! Step aside!!

122306 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Strange Days, 3, #1349 of 2397 🔗

Kirstie is very popular (well I like her) and it looks like she is a sceptic, we could really do with someone like her to help.

122084 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #1350 of 2397 🔗

Sorry this is a boring practical question, does anyone fully understand the new lockdown rules?
What really concerns us and many of the people we know is the effect they will have on Community activities? This aspect does not seem to get mentioned much in the media but it is so important for many people’s lives, many community activities are only just get going again but I presume they will all now have to stop.
I am thinking of things like; amateur music groups, village hall coffee mornings, local yoga class, mother & toddler groups, cubs, brownies, pub skittles team, gardening club, keep fit classes, book clubs etc, are all these activities now banned?

122086 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1351 of 2397 🔗

You have mother and toddler groups going in your community? We can only dream of that right now where we are.

122106 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mattghg, 7, #1352 of 2397 🔗

We have a local community hall in our Village which is crying out for donations now since lockdown meant it was paying rent on an empty building. Resumed events are massively reduced in capacity.

We’ve also had to donate money to my child’s gymnastics group who have been going 15 years with hundreds of kids going through. They needed 10k from parents just to see out the year. They only started back last week.

And we still have idiots around who believe that this is all for the common good?

There is only so long you can put up with the ignorance of the people

122098 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1353 of 2397 🔗

Good question

Football is allowed

If I had to guess I would think all of the things you have listed will be allowed – the measure seems oriented against private, non-structured socialising. Their assumption is that those organised groups would be distancing like good girls and boys

122105 ▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Julian, 10, #1354 of 2397 🔗

Authoritarian governments are always wary of private, non-structured socialising aren’t they?

122112 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, 5, #1355 of 2397 🔗

So a group of people, comprised predominantly of men, decide that activities which more men take part in than women, are allowed – no surprise there!

122126 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to Steve Martindale, #1356 of 2397 🔗

And support groups like AS?

122127 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Telpin, 1, #1357 of 2397 🔗

Sorry meant to say AA!

122128 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1358 of 2397 🔗

Just the sort of groups Stalin liked to smash up, he had a particular dislike for stamp collectors.

122132 ▶▶ Gtec, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #1359 of 2397 🔗

It seems like a deliberate attempt to destroy civil society, which is very Stalinesque, and one of the first things the Russians did in Poland in 1939.

Never noticed we were actually at war with anyone though.

122138 ▶▶ Ruth Sharpe, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #1360 of 2397 🔗

We’re waiting for Wee Krankie MacFishface’s pronouncement tomorrow, but we are now looking at our hall from a business point of view, not a community / social one. We need the income, so therefore we’ve got to get the groups back, plus put on the fairs we used to do, as indoor markets.

122160 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 1, #1361 of 2397 🔗

Delve/sage will have loaded the heads north and south with pseudo scientific babble. Just wait for it to pan out. Technocracy.

122093 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #1362 of 2397 🔗

St Legers Festival of Horse to go ahead. 4 days of racing with multi thousands in the crowd – like cheltenham in reverse.

122101 ▶▶ Will, replying to Basics, 4, #1363 of 2397 🔗

If only. 2500 there today but banned for the rest of the week by this idiot government.

122154 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Will, 2, #1364 of 2397 🔗

Really? Blimey I am behind the times. I thought it was a gov test. No point trying to keep up – it all changes anyway. Did the hourse get pissed off for not having a trott.

122103 Lms23, 13, #1365 of 2397 🔗

Toby: not only is Trump quashing the 1619 fake history project from schools, he’s also just put a stop to critical race theory “training”/brainwashing in U.S. government, which will include the military.
We could do with the same from our government, but we won’t.

If I was in the U.S., I’d definitely vote for Trump. The alternative doesn’t bear thinking about. So you’re not alone. Ignore the hostile press coverage, and take a look at some Tucker Carlson videos to get a more rounded view of America. The press are lying about Trump every bit as much as they have about Brexit and CV19.

122115 Will, replying to Will, 4, #1366 of 2397 🔗

Even the BBC is calling the increase in “cases” as the bollocks it is.

122119 ▶▶ hotrod, replying to Will, 2, #1367 of 2397 🔗

They are, where?

122133 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to hotrod, 1, #1368 of 2397 🔗

Just before the idiots started speaking from Downing st there was someone explaining how there was an increase in testing.

122145 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Will, 1, #1369 of 2397 🔗

Seen that guy a few times and he speaks sense

122224 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stephen, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1370 of 2397 🔗

The comments are also predominantly anti government and sceptical. Very similar to this website. Maybe this is truly turning.

122135 ▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to hotrod, 6, #1371 of 2397 🔗

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54064347

Coronavirus: Five reasons why rise in cases is not all it seems”
Yes, a surprisingly reasonable assessment of the situation!

122201 ▶▶▶▶ Chris Hume, replying to HaylingDave, 1, #1372 of 2397 🔗

Nick Triggle has been astute throughout this. He doesn’t have the prominence of the motormouths like Maitlis, Kuensburg and co, and is usually only seen on the website, and rarely if ever as the headline. But he and Debra Cohen are both definitely sceptics though and are fighting the brave fight. The new BBC Chairman MIGHT just be having an effect. Dare we hope?

122124 Gtec, replying to Gtec, 16, #1373 of 2397 🔗

Just posted this on the Telegraph web site, and thought it was worth sharing here too.

Maybe we should all spontaneously turn up in London on Sunday at around 15.00, and take a stroll down Whitehall.

No demo, no speakers, just people out for a stroll.

Or, gather outside local Town Halls to admire the architecture at about the same time.

Or, if no transport, bang some pots and pans outside your front door about then instead as we miss church bells ringing.

Just a thought.

122144 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Gtec, 4, #1374 of 2397 🔗

I think it is a great idea. I believe some people might be going for a walk around Parliament Square on Monday morning as well. Our civil rights and liberties are being completely steamrollered and no one in power could care less.

122148 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Gtec, 1, #1375 of 2397 🔗

Perhaps we should recognise the power of the protests that have occurred. They have worried the Establishment, potential to grow. Result – 6 6 6.

122173 ▶▶ Kelly deacons, replying to Gtec, #1376 of 2397 🔗

Great idea,how do we organise this?

122180 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Gtec, 1, #1377 of 2397 🔗

Bring back the Flash mob.

122129 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 19, #1378 of 2397 🔗

Just watching Whitty. He is saying that the measures reduced the virus. No that’s the natural curve of a virus, if it’s even that.

Also that the cases going up means something. Lies.

Fucking lies

122136 ▶▶ RickH, replying to mhcp, 11, #1379 of 2397 🔗

Absolute lies. If he doesn’t know that, then he’s too stupid to hold the position he’s in.

Either way, he should just piss off.

122151 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 5, #1380 of 2397 🔗

I’m not up on delusional thinking, is it possible for someone to be that deluded? I guess it is for some, but I don’t buy the notion that they’re all believing their own nonsense. Some of them must know it’s nonsense.

122177 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 4, #1381 of 2397 🔗

Certainly, things have now progressed (regressed?) to the world of total, certifiable delusion amongst government and it’s arse-lickers like Whitless.

I do wonder – given the apparent gullibility to propaganda of a high percentage of the population – whether there is a parallel confirmation bias amongst the time-servers such that they actually come to believe the reality-free crap that they give voice to?

Think of the family men who executed Jews under the Third Reich – they probably believed and saw no dissonance in what they were doing.

The Mengele Brigade (SPI-B)/77th Brigade etc.) probably has brainwashed itself into thinking that it is working for the common good – like all good creators of atrocity and witch burners.

We need to remind them that ‘We were only following orders’ is not a defence.

122192 ▶▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to RickH, 2, #1382 of 2397 🔗

I believe Stalin said that the people who are most convinced by propaganda are the people who produce it.

122244 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to RickH, #1383 of 2397 🔗

Remember he’s in the pay of the WHO and Gates..

122137 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 16, #1385 of 2397 🔗

Press briefing is the single biggest pile of shite I have ever heard in my life. No mention of hospitalisation or deaths, figures all lies and Whitty trying to state that not due to increased testing due to percentage of positive tests – how does that work? If you test more, you will get more positive tests. People now rushing out to buy more sofas and beds to hide behind and under.

122155 ▶▶ Will, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1386 of 2397 🔗

I call BS on that graph. I suspect the percentage is that there are a higher percentage of the people testing positive are in that age group, not that a higher percentage of that group are testing positive. I await Heneghan’s verdict on that.

122163 ▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Will, 3, #1387 of 2397 🔗

Absolute BS.

122239 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1388 of 2397 🔗

It’s crap – how come schools in Sweden are open and there’s no been increase in positive test results, nor hospitalisations? The opposite in fact..

122140 Basics, replying to Basics, 13, #1389 of 2397 🔗

None of the politicians are strong enough people to mingle within regular society. All are cowards. They don’t pop down the local and see who’s in. They don’t have interesting pleasant chats with strangers that can end up with blows if the wrong amount of alcohol and ideology has been swallowed.

These people are cowards hiding behind protection. Their thinking and leadership would be more respectful if they were subject to the same singular responsiblity each adult has.

A couple of nights down the local would reasonably reshape these ‘men’. Cowards.

122147 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basics, #1390 of 2397 🔗

As has been pointed out several times here – but worth the emphasis, the refutation of the Witless crap is on Ivor Cummins’s blog :

https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac

122143 Jane, replying to Jane, 3, #1391 of 2397 🔗

“I have more chance of marrying Brad Pitt than you have of dying from COVID-19.”

I love this!!

Brad, if you are a Covid-19 believer, prove it by stepping up to the plate and marrying a few lucky ladies!

122158 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Jane, #1392 of 2397 🔗

Are you proposing polygamy?

122149 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 7, #1393 of 2397 🔗

That’s something to look forward to: COVID-secure Marshalls. I bet our local BID bods are getting very excited at that prospect.

122153 ▶▶ Ricky R, replying to kh1485, 9, #1394 of 2397 🔗

I laughed out loud when I heard that. Cannot imagine the Covid Marshalls will be treated with much respect by anyone.

122225 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to kh1485, 6, #1395 of 2397 🔗

Is that how they are going to solve the unemployment issues they’ve created? Creation of a new stasi?

122162 Will, replying to Will, 4, #1396 of 2397 🔗

So here we go, covid passports it is for a harmless disease.

122179 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Will, 4, #1397 of 2397 🔗

Track and trace data required to get into venue and social settings. Covid passport. And that is the thin end of an evil wedge. See that shift in size and scope.

122489 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, #1398 of 2397 🔗

Dangerous… once they have our DNA, there are a lot of undesirable policies that will creep in..

122184 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Will, 3, #1399 of 2397 🔗

But it’s just a conspiracy theory…

122220 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Chicot, 2, #1400 of 2397 🔗

No – there are EU documents showing the plans and timescale for vaccine passports, dating back to 2018…

122305 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Chicot, 2, #1401 of 2397 🔗

As Carrie says plus ID2020, Covipass and I’m sure a few others.

122441 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Chicot, -1, #1402 of 2397 🔗

A conspiracy theory that has changed… again. Covid passport relied on the vaccine, which clearly isn’t going to happen. That screwed that CT. Oh wait, we can tweak the theory and change it.

Bullshit. CTs are as bad as the bloody government.

122483 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nick Rose, #1403 of 2397 🔗

I *don’t* want a covipass, but one WITHOUT a linked vaccination would be preferable, in the current scale of things..

122164 mhcp, 35, #1404 of 2397 🔗

Unless the 1922 committee do something now, the enforcment and totalitarism of this idiocy will lead to proper violence. The talk about tests? We don’t test for other things in the same way. The virus is now background noise but we have these idiots making an affront to all things rational.

Sweden is laughing at us. And fair play to them.

122166 Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 18, #1405 of 2397 🔗

If Boris believes the bullshit that he is spouting, he is even more stupid than I thought he was!

122168 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #1406 of 2397 🔗

Totally reading other peoples thoughts out to us. He is no more than a mouth.

122189 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Basics, 4, #1407 of 2397 🔗

He needs to be eliminated

122170 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1408 of 2397 🔗

Have to chuckle at the ticker underneath stating ‘There have been 8 further deaths’.

122216 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1409 of 2397 🔗

8 deaths over what time period? – always a time lag..

122700 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1410 of 2397 🔗

Shame they weren’t in the cabinet

122183 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1411 of 2397 🔗

He does, he is!

122405 ▶▶ Drummerman, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #1412 of 2397 🔗

He’s a nasty, lying, fat fuck. But he’s not stupid, just ambitious beyond anything you or I would comprehend.

122167 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 15, #1413 of 2397 🔗

My younger granddaughter went back to her school of 1,500 kids last week and the “not mixing with others outside of your year group” lasted precisely 1/2 a day.

122607 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1414 of 2397 🔗

We need to look to the babes and sucklings.

122174 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #1415 of 2397 🔗

Theres the spin… pause sensible pause… tell thst to the other gmo humans feeling sick as parrots realising what they have got inside them. Optimism on vaccines! -its a very black tie mr vallance has chosen.

122182 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 2, #1416 of 2397 🔗

He knows, just as we know, the side effects in the Phase I/II Oxford vaccine trial were significant enough (8 participants with a temperature of 39C). This case if on a completely different scale – hospitalisation, possible long-terms damage, death – clarification is needed. Suggest he knows!

122213 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 4, #1417 of 2397 🔗

What was announced yesterday with regard to the Astra zeneca/Oxford trial was *one* serious effect… It must have been pretty serious if a side effect in just ONE of the ‘guinea pigs’ actually caused the trial to be HALTED…

122249 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Carrie, 1, #1418 of 2397 🔗

Agree. Suggest they know too. Is it a death?

122252 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Carrie, 1, #1419 of 2397 🔗

They suggest elsewhere the serious pause case will recover. As in not dead. From uk column that news. Astraz press release page was silent ukc added.

122308 ▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 1, #1420 of 2397 🔗

Thanks. Reports have suggested transverse myelitis and it can be permanent, leaving people with major disabilities apparently.

122476 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 2, #1421 of 2397 🔗

Causes of transverse myelitis include infections, immune system disorders, and other disorders that may damage or destroy myelin, the fatty white insulating substance that covers nerve cell fibers’…..

Note ‘immune system disorders’… is that what they actually wanted to induce in us as a result of vaccination, just on a slightly less *obvious* scale????

122175 Tinxx, replying to Tinxx, 4, #1422 of 2397 🔗

The dog that didn’t bark.  If you want to understand the government Covid policy, then you need to focus upon what we are not being told (but that Government knows) that is driving their (apparently crazy) policies. If we look at the evidence of their actions, it is becoming clear that this is not about deaths. It is not about hospitalisations or the NHS. It is about “infections”.  Why? Because this is a uniquely infectious virus that – as President Trump told us – is actually from a lab where the gain-of-function process used ensures that it is highly, highly infectious.
Was it accidental or deliberate? Actually, it doesn’t matter. Why not just acknowledge the lab leak? Firstly it would require the Government to admit that it knew about this far earlier than March but did nothing (It is likely that the “5-eyes” all knew about this but simply hoped that it would stay in China/Asia like Sars). But people died so you can’t admit to that now. To admit to knowing that it was a lab leak would also lead to calls to shut down and sue dangerous gain-of –function research globally – something not aligned with the interests of the global vaccine industry.

Once you realise that the only way to mitigate against a highly infectious Covid was to either gain herd immunity fast – with limited time to do so  – and/or then to impose quarantine and lockdown, the reason for asking Professor Ferguson for an outlandish forecast to justify doing the latter makes more sense.  It also explains the attempt to get to herd immunity fast (that is actually still going on), the questionable use of the “R” number, the bizarre quarantine rulings and the local lockdowns. The vulnerable weren’t protected because, back in March, it was almost impossible to do so. So what happens next? We need the protection of a large percentage of the “active” community of 15 to 55 year-olds to have been exposed and recovered from (largely asymptomatic) exposure to allow for the vulnerable to be protected by them. That has been taking place over the summer and the “Active” community is rapidly gaining exposure but there is a risk that it gains exposure at too fast a rate and becomes “uncontrolled” and crosses over into the vulnerable community again. This is the multi-generational household problem.

What we are hearing from Boris now is their best attempt to manage the spread of a highly infectious (but not very lethal) virus that doesn’t involve a return to full lockdown to protect the vulnerable. All without admitting the lab source of the virus. So test everyone we can now to track the virus and then, try and test those who ARE now immune in order to re-establish the identity of the herd who can protect us into the winter months. All so that we never have to ask the dog why he didn’t bark…

122202 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Tinxx, 7, #1423 of 2397 🔗

There’s no proof of a new virus. It’s about control.

The disease is unsanctioned behaviour; Switched On Syndrome and Covid-19

122394 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to PWL, 4, #1424 of 2397 🔗

It should be clear that if the UK Government will not lift lockdown, it must then be its goal to create a permanently altered mode of being based on an illusion of fear.’ – exactly..

And that film ‘Equals’ sounds horrific…

122210 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Tinxx, 3, #1425 of 2397 🔗

Unless, of course, the hidden agenda, is something different altogether. What you have surmised is very calculating and cunning but where it crashes for me is the insistence of face masks. Since they know that these things don’t work and if, only if, they are more intelligent as you are making out here (and I wouldn’t know) why are they making arses of themselves by doubling back on something they ridiculed back at the height of the contagion in March/April?

122226 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bella, #1426 of 2397 🔗

Because another virus is going to be released?
(even though masks would be no protection)

122232 ▶▶▶ Tinxx, replying to Bella, 1, #1427 of 2397 🔗

I think the fact that the WHO admitted that the advice relating to the wearing of face-masks was revised following political pressure is your answer here. That pressure most likely came from the US – the Democrats have very effectively weaponised that for political purposes – means that this has been followed very widely elsewhere as a sign of “being serious”.

122235 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tinxx, 3, #1428 of 2397 🔗

Remember that Fauci predicted that Trump would have a pandemic to deal with during his presidency – there’s film of it…

122279 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Carrie, 2, #1429 of 2397 🔗

Yes, given his involvement with the Wuhan facility it was obviously a promise.

122401 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Tinxx, 1, #1430 of 2397 🔗

I understood the pressure on WHO actually came from the UK as they became the second biggest donor after Gates once US pulled out. (I got that from this site). It was the UK who pushed WHO to flip.

122313 ▶▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Bella, 1, #1431 of 2397 🔗

The explanation for that is, back in March, they didn’t want more demand for masks than they could meet. They were struggling to get enough for doctors and nurses. So they said (for political reasons) they were not necessary. Now they are saying (again for political reasons) they are.

As for masks now, I think the explanation is that someone has a little model, like a recipe, and you can add a bit more of this if you also add a bit more of that. This is why the rules are, in sum, irrational. Someone is calculating % risk of infections. They could equally say you can go to the pub on Saturday and Sunday but not during the week. Or visit granny but only on a Thursday.

122229 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Tinxx, 8, #1432 of 2397 🔗

I don’t buy that. The key point is that it is “not very lethal”. So, beyond advising vulnerable groups to take appropriate precautions, there is no reason not to get back to normal now.

If it wanted to, the govt could have claimed 3 months ago that their lockdown policy worked – deaths down, hospital admissions down – congratulations all round, let’s get back to normal and crack on with Brexit (or whatever). People would mostly have accepted that. But they didn’t, they just keep on crushing us. Why?

122237 ▶▶▶ Tinxx, replying to zacaway, 2, #1433 of 2397 🔗

I agree with your point that they could have claimed that 3 months ago – and I thought for a while that Boris was going to do so. However, I think that the politicisation of this in the US election cycle in particular is far more insidious than most people realise. I just think that they didn’t have the nerve to go against the broader 5-eyes narrative of “deadly virus – will kill you unless you comply”.

122176 Ricky R, replying to Ricky R, 19, #1434 of 2397 🔗

The thing that is overwhelmingly clear from the press conference is that the government has no intention of listening or responding to the backlash to these new measures. They think they are in the right. Curfews confirmed given that they were praising Belgium for their flatlining cases after their curfew.

Has everyone in charge forgotten that Sweden exists?

If the furlough scheme is extended, a second lockdown is confirmed.

122197 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ricky R, 3, #1435 of 2397 🔗

And here’s Sweden’s deaths from solely Covid versus with: https://twitter.com/jhnhellstrom/status/1301073768748593153
Only 872 from the virus alone..

122200 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Ricky R, 3, #1436 of 2397 🔗

Doesn’t Belgium hold the prize for one of the highest per-capital death counts? So we should follow their example, then.

122178 Kev, 10, #1437 of 2397 🔗

Government Modus Operandi:

  1. Exaggerate
  2. Amplify
  3. Panic
122185 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 9, #1438 of 2397 🔗

I couldn’t bring myself to watch those hollow-headed morons at the press conference. Did that buffoon Whitty mention anything about hardly anyone in hospital with the lab flu, and how hardly anyone is now dying from it?

122186 ▶▶ Ricky R, replying to Tenchy, 16, #1439 of 2397 🔗

Absolute silence about death or hospitalisations, just rising cases. Mocking the public at this point, acting like we’re idiots.

122191 ▶▶▶ matt, replying to Ricky R, 5, #1440 of 2397 🔗

Interesting the focus on positive tests as a %. Someone’s been reading the comments here and/or listening to Carl Heneghan. Just not in a useful way.

122231 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Ricky R, #1441 of 2397 🔗

Surely someone asked this obvious question and also what does ‘ cases’ mean and the age range. Otherwise, where on earth is the emergency/ health risk justification? Also why nationwide?

122188 ▶▶ matt, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1442 of 2397 🔗

Yes.

Oh wait, not yes – the other word.

122203 ▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Tenchy, 6, #1443 of 2397 🔗

I’ve always thought those press conferences hilarious so never bothered to watch them, but how wonderful would it be to smuggle in a few grannies and grandpas who just roar with laughter at every pompous pronouncement.
Laughter is the best medicine!

122193 Chicot, replying to Chicot, 6, #1444 of 2397 🔗

Covid Marshals… God help us all.

122196 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Chicot, #1445 of 2397 🔗

What is the suggestion there?

122214 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Tenchy, 8, #1446 of 2397 🔗

Who knows? Reduce the number of jobless by finding gainful employment for grasses?

122199 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Chicot, 7, #1447 of 2397 🔗

Get ready for the “l was only carrying out orders/Doing my duty” statements.

122207 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #1448 of 2397 🔗

Will we be shot to save lives?

Nuremberg trials, never forget.

122195 Andrew, replying to Andrew, 8, #1450 of 2397 🔗

Covid secure marshals = ARMY

122204 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Andrew, 7, #1451 of 2397 🔗

Not enough of them in the army. Relax. It’ll be ordinary people. Stasi.

122215 ▶▶▶ Andrew, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1452 of 2397 🔗

They only need to concentrate on one area for the T.V.

122260 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Andrew, 2, #1453 of 2397 🔗

There might be just enough to secure the Isle of Wight. But like I said yesterday, despite the navy being just across the water, there aren’t enough warships, or even boats, to prevent anyone fleeing across to the mainland in rubber dinghies.

122206 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Andrew, 4, #1454 of 2397 🔗

Fuck them

122198 Kev, replying to Kev, 3, #1455 of 2397 🔗

Anyone on here from Salford, sorry I meant any Guinea Pigs on here from Salford?

In case you missed it, you are going to be part of a pilot scheme.

122205 ▶▶ Andrew, replying to Kev, 2, #1456 of 2397 🔗

BBC heartland.

122382 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Andrew, #1457 of 2397 🔗

Yes, except if I remember rightly, BBC employees were specifically exempted from the lockdown so will likely be exempted from spit-testing..

122208 Chicot, 4, #1458 of 2397 🔗

Hcq doesn’t work with hospitalized patients. Well, no shit sherlock. Are these people really that stupid?

122209 Andrew, 15, #1459 of 2397 🔗

F@ck off Boris

122212 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 10, #1460 of 2397 🔗

Johnson: we’re increasing restrictions thanks to increased cases as a result of mass testing. Our new plan for a return to normal, is an increase in mass testing.

You really can’t make this shit up. Pure comedy gold. Or it would be. “People must change their underwear every half hour. And so we can check, you must wear your underwear on the outside.”

122217 ▶▶ Kev, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1461 of 2397 🔗

Covering your face

122254 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Kev, 1, #1462 of 2397 🔗

Only indoors.

122248 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1463 of 2397 🔗

The official language of the UK is now … Swedish (can we have their Covid policies as well?)

122264 ▶▶ WhyNow, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1464 of 2397 🔗

Let’s get a vaccine as quickly as possible. Then everyone will test positive. At that point, we will not know who is infectious and who not so, just to be safe, we had better stay locked down even after the vaccine. You can’t be too careful. Every life is precious..

122218 mhcp, 9, #1465 of 2397 🔗

I think this IS going to be the Poll Tax moment. The Covid marshalls in the streets. Like the Army in Northern Ireland. Never thought I’d see that shit in the mainland.

Well you’ll all get an education in hate because that’s what happens. I have good friends in the Army and had good friends back then. They should never have been put in that position.

122219 ajb97b, replying to ajb97b, 9, #1466 of 2397 🔗

Be scared. Be very scared
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3520

The cost of this approaches that of the whole NS budget.

The leaked document refers to mandated testing, and immunity passports that would be required for travel, work, education, healthcare etc

122236 ▶▶ RickH, replying to ajb97b, 10, #1467 of 2397 🔗

The term ‘bat-shit crazy’ comes to mind.

122243 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to RickH, 22, #1468 of 2397 🔗

I just watched a British prime minister declare war on the British people.There is no other word for it

122283 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #1469 of 2397 🔗

From Simon Dolan on Twitter, regarding Johnson’s statement regarding ‘enabling tests’:

‘Odd word to use in this context – “enabling”, then I remembered The Enabling Act, Germany 1933.

Originally in Germany it was called “Law to Remedy the Distress of the People and the State”

Of course, it became the cornerstone of Hitler’s seizure of power.’

122353 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Carrie, 3, #1470 of 2397 🔗

We have already had the enabling act.If it is extended at the end of the month then only violence will shift this government

122290 ▶▶ ajb97b, replying to ajb97b, #1471 of 2397 🔗

Moonshot budget over next year – £100 billion

Total annual cost of NHS – Moonshot budget – £140 billion

122602 ▶▶▶ ajb97b, replying to ajb97b, #1472 of 2397 🔗

Sorry – I had a moment of insanity when typing
I meant to write

Moonshot budget over next year – £100 billion

Total annual cost of NHS – £140 billion

Yet we cannot afford to improve NHS services

I will not pay to be enslaved

122222 Bruno, replying to Bruno, 6, #1473 of 2397 🔗

Have I missed something? What tests is Boris saying will tell you, as fast as a pregnancy test, whether you’re ‘ INFECTIOUS’ or not’? Surely the current PCR tests do NOT tell you that???

122230 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bruno, 10, #1474 of 2397 🔗

Of course they don’t. They don’t even tell you that you’ve got a viable virus.

122234 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to RickH, 9, #1475 of 2397 🔗

Quite. Man’s an idiot. Not on top of the detail. Unfitted to be running the country. God help us with Brexit.

122247 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Bruno, #1476 of 2397 🔗

its the new spit tests or the breath tests they are about to test in Salford. These are supposedly an indicator or if you have the virus then you go for a PCR test. Hopefully a PCR will be more reliable.

122256 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to wendy, 6, #1477 of 2397 🔗

To quote Johnson, we need ‘a dose of realism and common sense’. Here’s one:
‘Deeks said that mass testing could throw up enormous numbers of false positive results. “Even if you have a test which is 99% specific, so only 1% of uninfected people get a false positive result, if you then test 60 million people we will be classifying a group the size of the population of Sheffield as wrongly having covid,” he said. In such a scenario, 600 000 people would be told to isolate, along with their close contacts, leading to “substantial economic harm and massive need for further testing.”

122545 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to wendy, #1478 of 2397 🔗

The whole point of the PCR test is that it is unreliable. If you have previously been infected with a coronavirus, you will ag as positive under this test.

122261 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Bruno, 2, #1479 of 2397 🔗

Daily spit test.
This in Britain and this is what is being spoken about. Daily spit tests for everyone. Salford trial is weekly.

122265 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Basics, 3, #1480 of 2397 🔗

Reality check:
Commenting on the leaked plans, Martin McKee, professor of European public health at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said they bore the hallmark of a government “whose ambition far exceeds its ability to deliver.”

He said, “This plan transmits unbounded optimism, disregarding the enormous problems with the existing testing and tracing programmes. Worse, it envisages a major role for Deloitte, a company that has presided over many of these problems.

“It focuses on only one part of the problem, testing, and says nothing about what will happen to those found positive, a particular concern given the low proportion of those who do adhere to advice to isolate—in part because of the lack of support they are offered. What parliamentary scrutiny will there be of a programme that would cost almost as much as the annual budget for the NHS [in England]? However, on the basis of what is presented here, this looks less like Apollo 11, which took Neill Armstrong to the moon successfully, and more like Apollo 13.”
Nice one

122277 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Bruno, 2, #1481 of 2397 🔗

Good work. So do we just watch this burn up in the atmosphere?

122299 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bruno, #1482 of 2397 🔗

‘Parliamentary scrutiny’? Well hopefully Lindsay Hoyle will continue to rein Hancock in…

122345 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Carrie, #1483 of 2397 🔗

Parliamentary scrutiny’

McKee is obviously well behind the times

122281 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Basics, 2, #1484 of 2397 🔗

Basics, I know you are specially appreciative of D Sridhar views in these topics, here are her thought:
Devi Sridhar, professor and chair of global public health at the University of Edinburgh, said, “I haven’t seen these details before, and my first thought is that I’m glad the government is moving in the direction of mass testing, but the proof is in the pudding.

“The government needs to deliver this programme at scale, but I’m concerned about the reliance on the private sector to deliver this. The evidence so far is that involving local NHS capacity is more effective than outsourcing. There is a case for giving the extra billions to the NHS and asking it to deliver. I have concerns around the bidding process for these contracts. The procurement process isn’t clear, and it allows for a lot of people getting rich off this crisis. This is public money that we are going to have to pay back at some point.”

Sridhar added that before launching Operation Moonshot and scaling up the testing programme the government urgently needed to sort out its basic Test and Trace programme. “We don’t want to make the same mistakes as France, where there is broader testing being offered, and it is being used by lots of ‘worried well’ people, leading to queues and delays in results,” she said.

You don’t say.

122295 ▶▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Bruno, 3, #1485 of 2397 🔗

Well, speaking personally, I wouldn’t take any notice of someone who doesn’t know that the proof of the pudding IS IN THE EATING.

122343 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Miss Owl, 1, #1486 of 2397 🔗

Haha, do we conclude her first language is – scribble?

122362 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Bruno, 1, #1487 of 2397 🔗

Gee thanks for that gift of thought. Brightened my day right up.

Effortless thoughts without seeing the latest – hasn’t been briefed to think perhaps. Who was asking and why.

How does one procure and spend billions in a meaningful way from this point. 9 months in and still they scramble. Synapses of good thought happen fast. Why is she labouring and lumbering – this action of spending billions ought to have been a public health goal from day one, or not at all.

It’s as though these academics have done little planning during peacetime.

122294 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, #1488 of 2397 🔗

Will it be compulsory?

122310 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Carrie, 2, #1489 of 2397 🔗

Will be squeezing my pet hamster like a tube of toothpaste into it if it is. That’s all I know.

122341 ▶▶▶▶ ajb97b, replying to Carrie, #1490 of 2397 🔗

YES !! …it is explicitly stated in the leaked document

122377 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to ajb97b, #1491 of 2397 🔗

That is outrageous!

122446 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, 1, #1492 of 2397 🔗

Questions –

  • do they get your DNA via the spit test? (thinking medical integrity here and does this contravene other laws?)
  • will they test kids at school, and if kid tests positive will they be hauled off for PCR testing without permission of parent?
122599 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Basics, #1493 of 2397 🔗

Can we choose who we spit on?

122223 Andrew, 7, #1494 of 2397 🔗

“We want to test people who are negative” Hello

122228 RickH, replying to RickH, 14, #1495 of 2397 🔗

I’ve just been going back to Aneurin Bevan speaking in Trafalgar Square at the time of Suez.

It’s a reminder that we are lacking any such coherent, persuasive opposition in this crisis of government.

It is not a comfortable comparison for democracy.

The excerpt I was looking for was the one most appropriate for today :

If the Prime Minister Anthony Eden is sincere in what he is saying – and he may be – then he is too stupid to be Prime Minister.”

… said with venom and conviction

122327 ▶▶ matt, replying to RickH, 1, #1496 of 2397 🔗

And unfortunately, Johnson is an _even worse_ prime minister than was Eden. And doubly unfortunately, nobody in parliament today is a patch on Nye Bevan

122233 Andrew, replying to Andrew, 4, #1497 of 2397 🔗

Can we still have a demo?

122241 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Andrew, 6, #1498 of 2397 🔗

So long as it’s no more than six strong, apparently. That number sounds familiar from the 80’s. Something to do with pickets… Think I’ve still got my “I’m the seventh picket” badge somewhere…

122330 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Andrew, 1, #1499 of 2397 🔗

No problem as long as it is BLM or antitwnts

122360 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Andrew, 3, #1500 of 2397 🔗

Some people have said we can all just go for a walk in our groups of 6 and just happen to turn up at the same destination which has been given as Trafalgar Square on 26 September, say midday. So long as there is no one identified as organising it no one can be fined. And if folks stay in their groups of 6 what could they arrest us for? There are no laws about groups of 6 not carrying placards (yet)

122238 Basics, replying to Basics, 9, #1501 of 2397 🔗

Whitty talking about things were getting out of control. Interesting. Whitty talking about control.

122250 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Basics, 6, #1502 of 2397 🔗

And he said about doing the “minimum” of what was required. Blimey, I’m glad they didn’t go full-out to eradicate the virus …

122263 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to kh1485, 5, #1503 of 2397 🔗

Orange jump suits and ankle bracelets for all…

122288 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Basics, 8, #1504 of 2397 🔗

Remember this man stated  “If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.”

This meant hand washing, cough/sneeze etiquette and stay at home for a few days if you feel like shit worked.

Pity he hasn’t carried out his supposed threats to quit, if I was Boris I’d have said “thanks, there’s the door now fuck off”.

122375 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1505 of 2397 🔗

Very good point. Outside of his control the R decreased he said. His threat to resign was also about him being in control.

122398 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, 2, #1506 of 2397 🔗

Yes, in control on behalf of Bill G, and or the WHO…

122240 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #1507 of 2397 🔗

I honestly don’t think the Government or whoever advises them believe in their own science.

The equation for Herd Immunity Threshold is:

HiT = 1-1/Ro

An artificial threshold can be created by replacing Ro with Rt. Rt can be controlled by immunity, NPI or a combination of both.

Most countries have reached the artificial threshold based on varying degrees of immunity and NPI. HiT with Ro is merely the state where immunity is enough to stop the virus spreading without any intervention. With zero immunity we are 100% reliant on NPI to control the transmission rate.

If we lift restrictions the Rt will increase, this is to be expected. All you have to do is wait till the HiT is reached for that particular Rt and things will level off again.

If this is what they are actually doing then they should come out and say it, otherwise it just looks like they don’t believe in the math behind the science.

122384 ▶▶ Drummerman, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #1508 of 2397 🔗

They don’t give 2 shits about ‘the science’. A fig leaf for their naked power grab.

122242 Basics, replying to Basics, 9, #1509 of 2397 🔗

Christmas becomes the leverage to get people into track n tagged systems.

Fuck off moonshot BS. He is aiming to introduce that word for scientists to trace across social media. It’s a key word for them to analyse dicussion. It has no other meaning or use.

122291 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, 1, #1510 of 2397 🔗

Exactly..

122246 Andrew, replying to Andrew, 23, #1511 of 2397 🔗

No test = no work, no socialising, no money, no travel. David Icke was right.

122267 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Andrew, 14, #1512 of 2397 🔗

Yes, and soon it will be –

No vaccine or digital ID = no work, no socialising, no money, no travel.

The solution was in place before the problem and manufactured reaction. A complete scam.

122321 ▶▶▶ ajb97b, replying to Darryl, 1, #1513 of 2397 🔗

The leaked Moonshot document confirms unequivocally that this is their plan

122370 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to ajb97b, 1, #1514 of 2397 🔗

Where is this Moonshot document?

122661 ▶▶▶▶▶ ajb97b, replying to Carrie, 1, #1515 of 2397 🔗

Its a leaked cabinet document. So not many have actually seen it and read it all. But it has been passed to the British Medical Journal, who have summarised it here:
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3520

122760 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to ajb97b, #1516 of 2397 🔗

Thanks! Likely leaked deliberately, like Peston being told of the 30 to 6 people reduction…

122437 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to ajb97b, #1517 of 2397 🔗

going for the Apollo 13 approach
Houston we have a problem

122350 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Darryl, 5, #1518 of 2397 🔗

They have said as much in Australia. I looked up what the Swedish are saying about vaccination for their populations. It won’t be compulsory and it won’t be given to children or other at risk groups. If one is found it should be for those who are vulnerable to severe disease.

122372 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to wendy, 2, #1519 of 2397 🔗

But what happens when Swedes want to travel outside of Sweden?

122484 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Carrie, #1520 of 2397 🔗

Mhmm, Sweden is either doing to stand up to this nonsense or cave under pressure

122514 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to wendy, #1521 of 2397 🔗

Yes, time will tell..

122251 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 18, #1522 of 2397 🔗

Where is their evidence of the increase in infections in young leading to infections in older generations and then hospitisation and deaths? They mentioned it numerous times we should look at other countries – where the fuck is the evidence you bunch of blundering, lying fools?

122289 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1523 of 2397 🔗

They have none..

122337 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Carrie, 12, #1524 of 2397 🔗

I am so glad we have this website to keep each other sane. I think I would have gone mad otherwise. Lucky for my I am retired from the NHS but my partner is not. Having made a comment under his own name on a MSM article he wonders if he might get the sack. He is so angry with all the measures and stupidity of it all he’s begun to think he might have to speak out and resign from the NHS!!!!

122593 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendy, 2, #1525 of 2397 🔗

Time to set up an alternative LS Health Service, staffed by escapees from the National Hell Service and dedicated to helping sick people.

122520 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Sarigan, 2, #1526 of 2397 🔗

It’s not just that they have no evidence. There is very reliable evidence to the contrary.

122636 ▶▶ Mayo, replying to Sarigan, #1527 of 2397 🔗

Where is their evidence of the increase in infections in young leading to infections in older generations

It doesn’t happen overnight. There are a number of claims to the effect that infection in the UK began in December or January but the cluster of serious cases didn’t materialise until March.

122255 kh1485, replying to kh1485, 9, #1528 of 2397 🔗

“Hands, face and make space” I effing despair …

122325 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to kh1485, 2, #1529 of 2397 🔗

Heads shoulders knees and toes!

122326 ▶▶ wendy, replying to kh1485, 2, #1530 of 2397 🔗

We are all toddlers now!!!!!

122339 ▶▶ DRW, replying to kh1485, 1, #1531 of 2397 🔗

Well they’ve all got plenty between their ears!

122259 Andrew, replying to Andrew, 6, #1532 of 2397 🔗

I wonder how many Covid marshals are going to get a thump.

122262 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Andrew, 8, #1533 of 2397 🔗

And you just know what kind of person is going to sign up for that job.

122268 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to kh1485, 5, #1534 of 2397 🔗

The kind that need thumping already, before they even become marshals.

Best summed up as Officious Bastards

122278 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew, replying to Kev, 1, #1535 of 2397 🔗

There will be a national lack of supermarket security.

122324 ▶▶▶▶ ajb97b, replying to Kev, 1, #1536 of 2397 🔗

Those that thump them will be wearing masks, and so not identifiable

122335 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Andrew, 1, #1537 of 2397 🔗

Anyone that bothers me

122270 Basics, #1538 of 2397 🔗

Beth rigby is so clueless talking about covid. Well out of her depth and looking foolish. She ought to educate herself she is smarter than what she is saying now. Beth becomes a Dinosaur.

122271 mjr, replying to mjr, 27, #1539 of 2397 🔗

The new Covid Marshall insignia just revealed

122273 ▶▶ Biker, replying to mjr, 1, #1540 of 2397 🔗

cool where can we buy them?

122274 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Biker, 10, #1541 of 2397 🔗

Prince Harry’s dressing-up box!

122275 mjr, 3, #1543 of 2397 🔗

oh well .. At least Johnson has confirmed that this is not another lockdown.
So that’s ok then

122276 PWL, 3, #1544 of 2397 🔗

This could have been written for the Stasi “covid marshals”:
In which the Have-a-go Gestapo are fair warned

122282 mjr, replying to mjr, 13, #1545 of 2397 🔗

For those that missed the live Downing Street Briefing , here you are

122311 ▶▶ wendy, replying to mjr, 3, #1546 of 2397 🔗

Yep, that is what I took from it. We will lie to you and frighten you. They know the only tests being done in March April were on people admitted to hospital and that at lease 3.5 million people have antibodies. They know tests have increased so more people are being found. They know areas like Leicester and Bradford are flooded with testing. All very disingenuous. If the next ONS infection survey doesn’t show an increase as it hasn’t for some weeks what will they say then. I would guess it is showing an increase. Let’s see on Friday.

122322 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to wendy, #1547 of 2397 🔗

Haven’t the ONS increased their samples as well?

122478 ▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to DRW, #1548 of 2397 🔗

They are doing but the methodology is the same so should be comparable. But I don’t trust any of them now so perhaps they could rig it!!!!

122285 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 2, #1549 of 2397 🔗

The only option is to stop from getting tested. Apparently no home kits available, so lets all go to testing stations and stop people from getting a test!
The BBC has a headline, that it urges people who do not have symptoms not to get tested as they run out of tests. Who are these idiots??

122316 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Silke David, #1550 of 2397 🔗

Yep, Saltley coke depot 1972 …. stop the vehicles getting

122756 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Silke David, #1551 of 2397 🔗

Plenty of mums on Facebook traumatising their kids, pulling them from school and sending them to have rods shoved up their nose.

All because they have a cold.

122286 JulieR, replying to JulieR, 9, #1552 of 2397 🔗

I was listening to Johnson just now about new law of 6. Gathering of more than 6 is breaking the law.
Shouldn’t laws be voted for by Parliament?
Is is another guidance?
Will it be enforced like quarantine (handful of fines)?

122298 ▶▶ Basics, replying to JulieR, 7, #1553 of 2397 🔗

Todays uk column once again added more to the evidence that we don’t have a functioning government and are being ruled over by an illegitimate cabal.

122461 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, #1554 of 2397 🔗

Did they say who the cabal is?

122474 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Carrie, #1555 of 2397 🔗

Yes. In part. It is a huge rangey mess as you know. But in relation to what they were talking about they did. It’s worth watching these things to understand better than just a list of organisations. The unevironment link mr a git has added is a part if the trail.

Ukcolumn.org

122487 ▶▶▶▶ BorisHancock, replying to Carrie, -1, #1556 of 2397 🔗

jewish trillionaires

122302 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to JulieR, 1, #1557 of 2397 🔗

Assume It’s laws being created under the Co Vid Regs under the Public Health Act. This is why it’s so important to 1. Write to MP urging not to extend this blanket emergency legislation beyond 28 September and 2. Support the judicial review actions challenging the legality of these restrictions.

122329 ▶▶▶ Fed up, replying to Telpin, 1, #1558 of 2397 🔗

Agree with Telpin. Two issues that need to be considered 1. Was there enough of an urgency to bring in these measures under the enabling provisions that permits Regs to come into force without parliamentary scrutiny, for example the face masks regs where we have had admissions that the policy change was political not scientific and 2. Did the minister (Hancock) carry out all relevant procedures under the enabling provisions.

122333 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Telpin, #1559 of 2397 🔗

It will be a statutory Instrument linked to the Public Health Act 1984.

122868 ▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to Telpin, #1560 of 2397 🔗

Yes, I support Simon’s judicial review and donated twice.

122304 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to JulieR, #1561 of 2397 🔗

another SI I would guess – how many is that now?

122314 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Carrie, 1, #1562 of 2397 🔗

Well over 200, could be closer to 300 now.

122463 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1564 of 2397 🔗

Is that a Parliamentary record for the use of SIs, out of interest?

122309 ▶▶ leggy, replying to JulieR, 4, #1565 of 2397 🔗

They’re using Statutory Implements (SIs) to push through all of these restrictions under the Public Health Act 1984 (how apt is that?!). No democratic process or parliamentary scrutiny whatsoever. Not that it matters, this bunch of tossers would vote it all through anyway.

122364 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to JulieR, #1566 of 2397 🔗

Might this cause Parliament to vote down the extension of the coronavirus act?

122369 ▶▶▶ Drummerman, replying to Carrie, #1567 of 2397 🔗

In a word? No.

122287 Sir Patrick Vaccine, #1568 of 2397 🔗

Those Were The Days https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8koyhLUKKg

Remember when the world wasn’t full of proper trying to control our lives

122292 Will, replying to Will, 7, #1569 of 2397 🔗

Can we contribute to a crowd fund for youngsters who have organised raves?

122307 ▶▶ Andrew, replying to Will, 4, #1570 of 2397 🔗

We need to test the gear first.

122297 James Marker, replying to James Marker, 4, #1571 of 2397 🔗

Do we need a No-lockdown Party? The answer is surely “yes”. I had hoped that the Conservatives would safeguard individual liberty, but this government has been totally captured by the left-leaning public sector elite. People like Van-tam obviously have little concern about the economic havoc and the destruction of life opportunities that the lockdown is causing. The sad fact is that these people are now all powerful; one even wonders when Van-tam will instruct Boris to reverse Brexit. As for Handcock, the man seems to have moved so far to the left that he could happily sit in a Jeremy Corbyn cabinet.

123219 ▶▶ Bella, replying to James Marker, #1572 of 2397 🔗

Sorry, that’s a wee bit naive. Jeremy Corbyn wasn’t that left wing and he certainly wasn’t an authoritarian like Starmer and Ashcroft.

122300 Kev, replying to Kev, 15, #1573 of 2397 🔗

So Whitty says the measures being take are dmaging socially, econimically and to other health conditions, but the alternative is worse.

Let me get this straight, the alternative would be not damaging socially, economiocally or to other health conditions.

122365 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Kev, 1, #1574 of 2397 🔗

The alternative is something that they have no evidence of happening apart from previous epidemics where nothing of the sort happened.

122452 ▶▶▶ Kev, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1575 of 2397 🔗

I’d like to think the alternative would be to stop all the insanity, stop the lockdowns, stop the distancing, stop the masks and let people get back to normality.

By all means take measures to protest the vulnerable and allow those who wish to isolate and muzzle to do so.

122303 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 21, #1576 of 2397 🔗

Dear dictator,

I will not do as you say so please fuck off

122315 ▶▶ Fed up, replying to Cecil B, 6, #1577 of 2397 🔗

suggestion: Lose the ‘please’

122331 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Fed up, 3, #1578 of 2397 🔗

Surely politeness can do no harm ….

122318 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1579 of 2397 🔗

Let’s hope young people all over he country have a really good party this weekend and spread some herd immunity about and DON’T go for tests. Why are they going for tests anyway?

122340 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to wendy, 2, #1580 of 2397 🔗

That’s the question I asked in the forum. It is odd – must have been pushed into it by their parent/s before going off to university – or are the universities asking for it? Can’t imagine why healthy people of this age would want a test!

122358 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Jo, #1581 of 2397 🔗

To get out of work or school?

122389 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Sarigan, 1, #1582 of 2397 🔗

and claim an extra 13 quid a day in benefits

122705 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Jo, #1583 of 2397 🔗

Schools or universities requiring testing?

122317 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 2, #1584 of 2397 🔗
122320 ▶▶ Jo, replying to richard riewer, #1585 of 2397 🔗

It’s been blocked.

122323 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 6, #1586 of 2397 🔗

“We are responding, and we are simplifying and strengthening the rules, making them easier for everyone to understand and for the police to enforce.”

I knew it was a mistake where everyone kept saying the rules were confusing and inconsistent. And those japes about the virus knowing whether you were in a pub or a shop and so on.

I knew the result would be that the rules would be made more consistent… by “strengthening” them…

122328 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Barney McGrew, 7, #1587 of 2397 🔗

The bastards. So we heading towards the same state as Kim-Jong Dan in Victoria.

122367 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to Barney McGrew, 4, #1588 of 2397 🔗

How is ‘ clarity’ a justification in itself? It’s absolutely not. Otherwise the clearest rule would be never leave your room, for any reason. I’m as exasperated as everyone else on this site. Answer the simple question- where is the public health emergency( risk to heath) and how does this new – no more than 6 people- rule address that risk. Nothing has been offered in evidence

122332 A. Contrarian, 6, #1589 of 2397 🔗

Surprise surprise, only 8 deaths reported today.How disappointing that they’re not rising “exponentially” too. Not that cases are either of course, unless your name is Matt Hancock.

122334 Fiat, replying to Fiat, #1590 of 2397 🔗

Listening to Rush’s album, 2112. Should have called it 2020. “We have assumed control….we have assumed control “

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