2020-09-10

I feel mildly cheered by this news. I’m sure I will end up being disappointed. However, optimists – like Toby – are the ones who keep good causes going, so thanks.

What’s the point of having members of Parliament if they don’t protect their constituents form an overbearing Government.

By now the Government must know that lockdowns don’t work.

Peru went into lockdown 16th March – 911 deaths per million (the highest death rate in the world after San Marino)
Brazil – no lockdown – 602 deaths per million

Only 8 reported Covid death in the UK the day Boris Johnson decides to become Oliver Cromwell and threatens to ban Christmas.

No doubt we should call his Covid Marshal social distancing clowns Oliver’s Army

Oliver’s Army, I like that, comes complete with it’s own tune but I doubt if our ill-educated population would get the point.

I know. It sounds to friendly.

Who do you think you are kidding, Mr Johnson?

I suggest Blockwarts

“Blockleiter from 1933 was the title of a lower Nazi Party political rank responsible for the political supervision of a neighborhood. Referred to in common parlance as Blockwart, the officials were in charge to form the link between the Nazi authorities and the general population.”

The Soviets had the same similarly translating as Block Warden.

I prefer Blockleiter.

Blockwarts reminds me of Harry Potter.

Or Boris Brownshirts

His very own Sturmabteilung.

Brown shirts, yes. Polished leather belt and boots, yes. The Luger pistol may be unwise, however.

A cattle prod will suffice.

Or a mutton muzzle.

Droogs.

How about Tools

Plain old wankers works for me.

My first and only piece of political agitation was tracing in the snow with my welly boot

‘parkie is a wanker’

(That’s Park Keeper to our younger readers, generally retired N.C.O.s who could be very fierce. I’ve long thought that the country started going downhill when they got cancelled in the 1980s).

Nah. Call them what they are: The Stasi

treat them as the Stasi, make them Pariahs, spurn them and shame them, these people will be on a pittance but will behave like they run the place, if they were to be given cattle prods they would no doubt use them on some old lady.These people will undoubtedly be local so as a community blank them, they are there to monitor your behaviour on behalf of this Government and to correct errant behaviour for that they must accept that they cannot be seen as part of the community and must expect to be reviled by the community.

Retired EHOs. Says it all. Maybe paid a pittance but wil be drawing a nice pension too.

They are practicing independence of thought training en masse

Kapos who were the jews used by gestapo to do the dirty work in the camps.

Along with Ferguson’s New Model Army?

Hello,
I believe the reason why everyone is abiding by the lockdown rules. Is common sense, but as Einstein said “common sense is the accumulation of prejudices by the age of 18. What he meant was that common sense will get you so far but science will get you further. As you point out lockdown Peru as a much higher death rate than non lockdown Brazil.This can be reflected every where from lockdown Scotland to non lockdown Sweden lockdown as failed to save lives. Like everyone else I’ve had no colds sore throat,flu even headaches which I suffered at least once a week of all gone away. As lockdown suppressed my immunity due to less bugs being around?
I don’t know, all I do know is that using common sense it’s been easier for governments to lockdown than take the brave decision to not lockdown.

Viral Issue Crucial Update Sept 8th: the Science, Logic and Data Explained!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac
Ivor Cummins
97.7K subscribers

All the facts you need to know on why the Covid has performed the same as flu regarding the rise and fall in infections.

This is brilliant. Watch. His lovely Irish accent makes him all the more plausible

The fact that he’s a good solid scientist makes him plausible!

Everything Ivor produces is worth looking at. Strongly recommended.

The key conclusion that severe social distancing measures were required to prevent health systems being overwhelmed hinged only on estimates of R0/doubling time, hospitalisation rates and IFR (mortality risk). Given those estimates, any epidemic model would give basically the same conclusions we reached.

So, in other words, the initial assumptions were knowingly chosen to produce the desired result. Confirmation bias at its finest.

What can we actually do to stop/change the narrative and pressure the Handy Cocks of this world to switch their critical reasoning back on?”

Not much, i don’t think. The public has been trained for decades to forget all about disobedience towards the government. Seems to me that people these days will still obey authorities even if they know it’s wrong to do so. That is, those that bother thinking about it. A lot of people simply don’t care. “This is what the BBC says, that must be the truth. Because, after all, the BBC is a truly unbiased news source. Why would the government do me harm?”

Loads of people tell me they have stopped watching the news and stress the BBC in particular. Reasons vary from it’s boring, it’s depressing but some do say it’s full of lies and propaganda.

I stopped ages ago. I ditched my TV licence, got a refund and haven’t looked back. Plus, there’s the added satisfaction of knowing I am north of £150 better off!

It dawned on me how much influence it had on me and I got sick of being hammered the whole time with ‘messages’ and basically being told how to think. Was happy to see yesterday that The Spectator have launched SpectatorTV.

I did the same, no regrets.

I would do the same, but what keeps me sane (I hope!) is the old films on Talking Pictures TV and a few other channels. Basically, the TV licence helps me to live in the non-PC past for part of the time.

And I do watch University Challenge (now with wok-i-fied questions – which are the only ones the teams generally pass on!) and the old TOTP re-runs.

Take your point, that’s what stopped me for a while. But there’s loads of stuff on YouTube and I watch DVDs and, mostly now, listen to talkRADIO. The deciding factor for me was depriving the useless BBC of my hard-earned!

Me too. I ditched my TV licence and feel so much better for it. I only really watch YouTube and other streaming platforms. I don’t subscribe to anything because I’m really not that interested but it is amazing how many good films and programmes, as well as excellent individual content is available free on sites such as YouTube, compared to most of the dross on mainstream tv. And I’ve discovered talkRADIO too, this year.

I would love to ditch my TV licence but I do like to watch county cricket – which I do via live streams direct from the grounds, not via Sky. And any live stream I believe needs a TV licence, even though it’s coming over the internet. Ridiculous.

The Yesterday channel and Talking Pictures are my main ones now. I think they both have links with the hated BBC but I’ll live with that compromise. As for radio, I listen to some BBC music programmes but dive for the off button when a news bulletin is approaching.

I stopped watching years ago and now have completely stopped looking at the MSM – it was clear that they weren’t reporting facts but rather what they wanted you to see and think.

I stopped watching TV in general for good about 15 years ago, just watching a bit here and there, CH4 news at 7:00pm most days. I stopped with MSM totally in April. I will NEVER go back to any of it. It’s total poison.

CH4 news at 7 is worse than BBC – and that is saying something!! You cannot say you have stopped with MSM if you watch this.

CH4 news was getting to be more and more intolerable for a long time. It was my only concession to MSM. However I found it slightly less egregious than the BBC. I used to listen to radio 4 quite a bit too just to see what the state’s talking point was for the day.

The only subscription I’ve kept is the Spectator. I’m glad to be rid of the Times, have not read the Guardian for years now and ditto the BBC websites.

I’ve retreated to YouTube and podcasts such as Triggernometry and New Culture Forum as well as reading.

CH4 is a public-owned – i.e. government – broadcaster.

basically BBC without the licence feea s it must be self-financing:

https://www.channel4.com/corporate/about-4/who-we-are/what-is-channel-4

I stopped watching/listening to the BBC and Channel 4 News in April as I could no longer stomach the over-hyped message they were pushing.

I am hearing from LOADS of “normies” that they have stopped watching particularly the BBC but also stopped listening to the radio, all the channels really, since about April. It’s very noticeable.

Insufferable ‘Today’ in particular. Michal Hussein, Nick Robinson etc all with their questions loaded with piousness about the right way to behave : face nappies, social distancing and all that shit….

Let’s commission an independent poll that shows that a majority of the population are against more measures and want to return to normal life.

I don’t trust the poll showing 62% of Brits in favour of curfew. I don’t believe it for a minute.

I’ll happily contribute to an independent survey that asks the questions in the right way.

e.g. are you tired of lockdown measures, do you enjoy wearing a masks, would you like to see an immediate return to normality, should the government have the power to ruin one life to try (and possibly fail) to save another.

Proper questions.

Someone referred to the yougov polling site here yesterday, so I went to have a look and vote in some polls. The questions were in fact pretty neutral (although there were a couple of instances where there wasn’t an option that reflected exactly what I think). After you vote, you get to see the current results. They were depressing, to say the least. In every case, the current balance was _overwhelmingly_ the opposite of my answer.

Do you have a link?

https://yougov.co.uk/

If you can just pop up to their site and vote then that rather invalidates the result. Experts like ukpollingreport has always been scathing of polls based on self-selecting respondents. Proper polls work by inviting specific respondents and weighting according to socio-economic groupings, although even that can be suspect in instances where the groupings don’t really make sense to the question (why would, say, your political leanings shape your views on asparagus?). But I imagine what’s happening here is that knowledge of the poll is being spread through particular channels (say, through Twitter) and that is massively biasing the sample.

i completed it .. no log ins or anything. simple for the authorities 77th brigade or whatever they are called to complete manually or use a bot to make positive votes.

I always refer to the 77th as the SS and I presume the initial letters are the reason the moniker was chosen.

I was send a survey by YouGov asking questions like did I approve of the new measures, curfews and so on and my view of the Government.I answered no and that the Government was doing a very bad job to each question.

I answered similar questions yesterday. As I say, depressingly the results I was then shown were along the lines of 72% strongly in favour and similar proportions who wanted more and stricter regulations.

If the government really pays attention to these things, we’re doomed, forever.

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.bbc.co.uk
7000+ reviews, 93% negative. Pile on, folks!

Thanks for link, just left a one star review

Over 8,500 people are with us and oppose the Government’s measures enough to support this Judicial Review of the lockdown and related regulations:

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/lockdownlegalchallenge/

The Appeal hearing is due in less than 2 weeks. At the very least, the Government will have to start answering some difficult questions. So – to answer the question – this is something we can do.

I donated the 41 quid needed to get them to 300k yesterday.

Dinner was very awkward last night as for some reason my family had the Ministry of Truth on over dinner! Thankfully they switched off after 10 mins but even that left me queasy for a few hours. Disgusting promotion of the Clown Show sermon in that uniquely condescending “do not question this plebs” BBC tone I’d forgotten about.

There needs to be a website to “fact-check” the BBC but you’d never be able keep up with it.

This used to do exactly that, but as you say, there was almost too much to keep up with.

https://biasedbbc.org/

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/dr-vernon-coleman-latest-september-9th-2020-this-fraud-is-now-blindingly-obvious_R7CB3DDGxFK4eHC.html

Good stuff from the Old Man In A Chair but he won’t get much reach from that site, sadly.

More so than YouTube who banned his videos though.

He’s probably done enough to have a good base of followers who can grow from any platform.

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/this-fraud-is-now-blindingly-obvious_17uG1jJdsRcitiZ.html . Link to video published by Dr Coleman. Link posted above is a copy of video.

We can only go back to normal when we have Zero Government.

we could achieve zero government if we changed the law to say if a party can’t get more than 50% of the people to vote for them they can’t govern. If no party achieves this then we have no government for five years until the next vote and so on.

Belgium had no government for years, a coalition was formed in March and things have not worked out at all well for the citizens since.

We’ve had a few Tory/Lib coalitions and they’ve not worked out well either!

Wot Strange Days said

I’ve been saying the same for a long time. Our system hasn’t been fit for purpose for nearly 30 years now.

We in Northern Ireland had no government for 2 years until recently.

All because civil servants and their friends filled their boots on an open ended energy scheme which cost taxpayers tens of millions more than it should have. Oh, and the enquiry, which absolved everyone of nay wrong doing or responsibility, cost £13m too.

Now we have the same clowns threatening further lockdowns today. So keep an eye on the announcement here at around 2pm. They are talking tough again. We’ve a worse case per 100,000 rate than the UK as a whole.

My NHS ward here (servicing some 250,000) or there abouts, has had zero deaths since end of May if I remember correctly. Maybe less than 5 hospital admissions over that time also. 20 people approx have died in total.

Speaking to my friend last night brought it all home to me. He has a sister with a rare physiological condition, another diabetic, a brother diabetic and epileptic, a father with bowel cancer in remission. They’ve all been scared to death by this and he hasn’t seen them, except at a distance from the garden, in 6 months. His siblings barely leave the house, his sister hardly leaves her room.

He is on my side and he is fully on board with the kind of analysis Ivor Cummings had in his latest video. Yet, he is struggling to have the courage to simply change the family mindset right now, understandably so. I am so angry they’ve done this to people.

A man in a white coat would need to accompany him to deliver the message that’s its OK to live your life. They are simply so far gone into isolation.

Love it!

From ONS:

In Week 35, the number of deaths registered was 9.6% above the five-year average (791 deaths higher); this is the third consecutive week that weekly deaths have been above the five-year average, however, the rise was not driven by the coronavirus (COVID-19) .

The number of deaths in hospitals was below the five-year average in Week 35, while the number of deaths in private homes, care homes and other locations was above the five-year average.

Hey maybe ask those next logical follow-up questions intrepid reporters.

The entirety of the fiction is unraveling in the eyes of the public hence the even more stringent measures. Right now there is a low simmer.

No such “novel virus” exists. There were novel policies put into place that killed tens of thousands of people, and are killing tens of thousands more.

We need calls for investigations into what actually happened in March-April as well as arrests and trials for subsequent policies enacted by government officials.

All of the academics and scientists who perpetuated this pandemonium to the benefit of their professional lives need to be on the stand testifying. These careerist cowards will turn on one another in a heartbeat and through this process more details of these crimes will emerge.

Follow the money.

Ferguson first in the dock, obviously.

Pretty hard for deaths in hospitals to be higher than the 5 year average if the NHS is partially shut down.

They’ve removed care pathways to such an extent they simply die in their care homes. Rather than an attempt being made to offer treatment at hospital.

A Nuremberg Trial for the early 21st Century.

Talking to a Middle England neighbour yesterday as she waited to go for a family get together at a nearby gastropub. We sniggered about it already being against current advice but that next week 10 people out together would be Illegal and cost them £1,000 rising to £32,000 if they challenged the fine.

She told me of a similar event oop north some weeks ago. All of the party had signed into Track’n’Trace, later her host told her that the restaurant had been shut down because some staff had the Covid at the time.
She is still awaiting contact from Track’n’Trace three weeks later.

The definition of theatre

I am always looking for numbers based facts to try and de-program the Converted.

One of my favourites;
ME: How many people do you think died in UK yesterday?
Erm..dunno.
ME: It was about 1600
That sounds about right.
ME: Yes, that was the total amount of deaths from all causes. How many people do you think died from Covid in UK yesterday?
Erm….dunno, about athousand?
ME: 5
Oh….but…but, what about Granny.

I can talk to them about annual deaths being similar to previous years but that does not sink in. Talking about the likely large number of false positive (infectious) people along with defining what a Case is raises no eyebrows either. Therefore I have been trying to find evidence based simple statistics which I can quote which members of the Cult may understand. King Carl has suggested that the most reliable statistic amongst the whole gamut of, died with or of, unknown actual number of real cases, IFR, CFR, modelling results etcetera is the NHS admissions data. So today, because my business is destroyed and I have nothing else to do, I took a look at the NHS data. (Spreadsheets are my go to cure for boredom so I think I must be a nerd!)
The NHS definition of a Covid patient seems to be accurate;

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/

(This data is from 9-8-2020 and I await their update, but I think its still relevant now)
From the their spreadsheet I found some interesting numbers to attack the Cultists with;

1/ There are 2,223 in ventilator equipped beds of which 56 are occupied by the Covid confirmed, or 2.5%. So there are 2,167 poor buggers in hospital who cannot breathe for other reasons.

2/ There are 94,840 beds occupied of which 599 are Covid patients, or 0.6%. So there are 94,241 people who are well sick from other things and they do not even have the honour of having Covid.

3/ 60 patients with confirmed Covid were admitted on that day and 66 were discharged? Seems like the survival rate is pretty good.

4/ 60,367 staff were absent from work due to sickness or self isolation (or, not mentioned, laziness).

If I am still bored tomorrow, I could look at the rest of the data and make some really funky charts but then I will probably not bother because the Cultist’s beliefs are much stronger than any stupid meaningless graphs.

I just keep it to your second question when they start off a chat with >
“Isn’t the Covid terrible…?”
‘How man people do you think died of the Covid yesterday?’
“Dunno 20 ? 50 maybe ?”
‘5’

(Pregnant pause while this sinks in).

“Where d’you get that from ?”
‘The governments own figures, how many people do you think got run over by a truck yesterday ?’.
And away you go in whatever direction they want to take the conversation.

Hopefully it will get as far as ‘apart from wrecking the economy and millions of lives do you think lockdown is is worth having Democracy suspended and your ancient freedom of Free Assembly made illegal ?’

Great Work – I will print that off!

Look forward to the funky charts – Keep going!

The trouble is Covid belief has become the new world religion, you must fear the Covid devil and obey the big Government that is our only hope. Then just like boys being whipped having been caught paying football on a Sunday in Oliver Cromwell’s time, any Covid doubters must be whipped into line.
Statistics, logic and rational thought are all just tricks of the Covid devil and must be shunned, just bow down and accept Covid belief. I am afraid it looks more and more to me like Covid belief has become a cult religion like the Branch Davidian sect.

One day it will be seen as a shiboleth.

And where is that sect now?

There was some newspaper article where the underline thread suggests this is almost becoming a belief system. The idea was sceptics were stepping out of a shared reality, and it was better for society not to seek the truth but to participate in a shared truth even if it is wrong.

Obviously, not aware of the meaning of truth.

That phrase “shared reality” is graunspeak I think.

A group of people who all take LSD can have a shared reality that is different from everybody else’s shared reality. MSM propaganda is LSD for everybody, bending their old reality into a mind-bending new one.

We can share a sunset, or a piece of music – but what constitutes ‘sharing’. For me it is relational and has an intimacy that targets, checkboxes and correctness cane NEVER equate to or represent.
Reality as experience is unique to each – and yet we are communicating now – and largely share agreements on the core nature of our model of reality – else we could not communicate – or hardly.
Most of us live in a model of reality that is a mental realm with emotional reactive reinforcement.
Therefore not surprising that some of us think they can control reality by narrative control, or are transhumanly seeking to replace the living context of our experience with systemic controls.
LSD strips away much of the filtering of the mind so as in effect to regress consciousness – which is at the same time the popping of the bubble of what had seemed solid, normal and adapted to.
However, when the effects wear off, the filtering of the mind restores the habits of perception-response.

Group bubbles can be positive, but the nature real relationships is bringing our presence to them, not sacrificing who we are so as to fit what we think or fear the group or other demands or expects us to be.
Masking is not new!

Well If it cant be shared its a private reality. Lockstepping can reinforce private agenda as a groupthink bubble but no matter how many invest in it, it only has the reality given it.

Not a few of our problems are the result of weaponising and marketing insights such that what could have served a human benefit are MASKED in as new forms of virtue that become corporate bollockspeak because there is no relational honesty – and so something that belongs to us – such as shared human values – are ‘cancelled’ by presuming to speak for and from ‘shared reality’ – when groupthink is NOTHING of the sort – but is centrally controlled joining in fear, seeking false unity in identifying against the feared.

The use of words can be extremely clever in weaving and framing truth into lies and lies into truths.

I posted this link once but I’ll do so again as it begins to address the ‘framing’ of emotional reaction that is underneath the manipulations that are operating.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/08/covid-19-scamdemic-part-2/

Jonestown-Johnsontown.

Thank you. I will keep those stats for my next letter to my sluggish MP.

Thanks BobT, and sorry to hear about your business
It amazes me that they still make this data publicly available.
It amazes me even more that there is not one MSM journalist using it.

…… what’s more, of the 60 people admitted to hospital 75% of them were already in hospital when they tested positive! These hospital admissions are not people walking down the street who caught the thing, they’re mainly hospital inpatients or people transferred from care homes.

Why are they still using ventilators?

They aren’t very much. Don’t forget most of these people who are very ill are not often very ill with Covid, it’s a complicating factor to their primary illness, heart disease, kidney/liver failure, run down by a bus failure, so they may be on a ventilator for reasons completely divorced from their coronavirus positive test.

What can we do? Something has to happen that can change the minds of more people. I would suspect public opinion in the UK is the same as it is in all of the Anglophone world. There is overall among the English language world very widespread support for more and stricter lockdowns. As an example, here is the loony land of California where every fortnight the governor scraps one reopening plan only to issue and even more inane plan than before, nearly 70% of the public supports the imposition of stricter shelter in place rules. And this as the epidemic has been coming down since the end of July. That is an incredibly high number. Politicians read this polling and it absolutely gives them cover to enact every brain fart that comes into their heads over the weekend. Unfortunately, critical thinking is not a capability of the huge percentages of the masses, as we now know. They will only change their views when celebrities of various kinds tell them it is ok to do so. So, I suggest figuring out a way to pressure Tom Hanks or Beyonce into adopting the skeptical position. One idea is to start a go fund me campaign to raise a few million and hire them to be the official spokespeople for this website.

Perhaps a few episodes of Eastenders in the Time of Covid might put a few people off the whole idea.

There will be no covid in East Enders, they need to keep their flagship televised SOMA nice and comforting for the sheeple. Casualty on the other hand will be their vehicle for more COVID fear porn on steroids and they will use it to re-enforce their insane evil narrative.

Your optimism is touching, Toby, but if they even get given a vote, only the usual suspects will have the guts to vote against the junta, and even if the opposition is bursting to vote down the government, it isn’t going to vote against the lockdown powers.

So what to do about it ?

As a young man in London I had numerous and varied social circles some of which overlapped. While not particularly bolshie, I and many of my friends would routinely ignore rules, regulations or even laws that we considered inconvenient.
Nothing serious, bunking into the open air lido for a bit of skinny dipping after the pub on a summer evening, taking part in pub lockins (oh the irony), attending “Gentlemens Evenings” which were sometimes busted by the fuzz, that sort of thing.

We would all have taken a very dim view of the governments actions over the past six months and would certainly have circumvented their rules whenever necessary.

This ‘Rule of 6’ would have been the last straw that might very well have turned us into outright rebels.
Those among us who were good at that sort of thing could very easily arrange for five groups of six each to enter the local park by different entrances before coalescing (sp?) at the Bandstand to challenge The Covid Marshall
“What you going to do about it ?”
Outside Woolworths at a busy road interchange would have been more visible to the public as would the Town Hall and Library.

On leaving London I chose to be more solitary so no longer have the social resources to do such things, but hey, maybe someone else will and I could tag along.

Boris’s mass COVID testing moonshot ‘to cost £100BILLION’: PM’s plan to get life back to normal is forecast to cost almost as much as entire NHS budget, and experts warn it may not even be possible
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8715817/PM-plans-spend-entire-NHS-budget-bid-test-Briton-week.html

I always divide these big numbers by the population and 100Billion is about GBP1,500 per man woman and child. Or, about 6,000 per average family. These people really are in cloud cukoo land.

Getting a good kicking from the commenters. I like spotting the fakes in the worst voted comments ever since I met a perfectly sound chap who told me he liked to put lefty comments just to see how many red ticks he could get.

Favourite today from Dr Poopenscheister
“All non Covid NHS services should be shut down, we live in extraordinary times, Covid should have priority”.

Shyster. Great word.

Not my word, his !

See comments below it

Who would want to be a Covid Safety Enforcement Marshall ?

I nominate disgruntled Traffic Wardens

I nominate Dawn Butler.

I am afraid our country is full of ‘little hitlers’ who will be queuing up to take on this role, there are some who will be keen to go back to a puritan, Calvinistic, Oliver Cromwell world of austerity misery, no pleasure and witch hunts.

No one likes a dobber.

I suggest we all apply and then go round in covid marshal uniforms informing people of the actual truth

Brilliant idea! Trouble is we wouldn’t pass the qualifying psychopath test.

I can see now how this will play out in the MSM in order to achieve compliance. A Marshall will be physically assaulted somewhere, sympathetic articles ensue from all quarters, the angle taken is that a nasty selfish denier is the perpetrator. The BBC have probably written a template article already.

maybe they’ll slip up again and broadcast it before it happens

nice

Very good.

The traffic wardens will be out of work, once all the cars are banned. So makes sense to give them a useless job, where we can all mock them.

Herr Hancock inspecting the latest batch Covid Safety Enforcement Marshalls

Obviously I disagree with the marshalls. But there are huge numbers of unemployed people, many of them blue collar workers for whom Universal Credit means a life of poverty for them and their families.
I’m not even going to engage with them but I do not criticise their choice on this basis.

Horrific, family thrown off a plane in Canada over their toddlers not wearing masks. Surely it is child abuse to put a mask on a little child?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54096061

It’s just madness. What has happened to common sense? How is it worldwide people like us can see the blatant stupidity of these measures and yet parliamentarians and law makers have got their fingers in their ears not listening but conjuring up their next bloody stunt to make people’s lives even more miserable. And how can businesses not question these stupid, stupid rules and use their own judgement in matters such as in this story.

So these fiends require masks on three-year-olds. And on screaming babies.
And the other passengers supported this.
How many other little tots were being choked and terrorised on this devils’ flight from hell to hell?

No Annie, not the screaming baby, just the three year old.

Quote:

He [the passenger] says the three-year-old did put on a mask, after some fussing.
“But my younger one had a very difficult time, she was basically hysterical.”
Mr Choudhry says she was so upset she vomited.
He says WestJet was aggressive, and told them that because his youngest daughter was not wearing a mask, and was too upset to wear a mask, the whole family would have to leave.
He says they told them that if they did not leave, they could be arrested, charged and receive prison time.

Counter quote “the airline said the issue was not with the infant who is below the age required to wear a mask”

This is going to get messy !♤

Screeming Babies and collaborators and shaved women. I know a song about that, I know you won’t like it. It’s a horrible tune.

And Then airline industry is worried about falling passenger numbers, surely by now the airline industry as a whole should have come up with a policy so the position is clear to all. It is as though facemasks have become a symbol that you conform, like the costumes in A Handmaids Tale.

That’s exactly what they are, except for the voodoo fanatics who believe that they confer personal immunity on the wearer.

I don’t know why they don’t let passengers use the emergency masks if they want to be muzzled to feel ‘safe’ and let every body else who doesn’t give a crap fly face naked. Surely it couldn’t be that difficult to modify a plane.

Sadly I think you are right Steve. And if they were told to wear undies on their head I fear they would do it. And tell me why your Hancock and our Dan Andrews are the most gormless looking pair of blokes I have seen.

Because they probably both got bullied at school for being knobs/saps/dorks.

And then decided to punish THE WORLD. Will I ever see beautiful England again. Can’t even fly to another state at the moment.

Sorry to break it too you but in the last thirty years, since the last true PM of this country Mrs Thatcher they’ve done everything to destroy England and Britain. We’re at the point now where to even say you’re English or British is deemed racist. In every town across this once green and pleasant land they’ve they’ve destroyed everything they can and this Virus bullshit is the Last Night of the Proms as far as Britain and England go. Hey ho Rule Britannia.

Such a shame, Biker. My parents were £10 poms and went through WW2. They only managed to go back once in 2010. I think it was a very strange experience for them. I am so proud of them and my English heritage. What they went through in the war, half starved as kids, but it made them resilient and tough, and we were brought up with a great work ethic and honest values. They don’t understand any of what is going on at the moment, addicted to the crap that masquerades as news and terrified out of their wits. All our lovely old darlings who suffered so much even after the war with rationing continuing etc and they are left bewildered and many alone to die. It’s a damn disgrace.

My Aus relatives also started as £10 Poms, they never did make it back but their eldest daughter stayed with us in London for 6 months 1970, followed one by one by 4 younger siblings.

One of their offspring caught up with me a few years ago. That young man made the mistake of asking me “do all whiskies taste the same, like Bourbon ?”

Don’t suppose any of us will be visiting for a while to come yet, but at least they are in NSW and not Victoria that heart of lockdown darkness.

Yes, kareno lots of young Aussies like their bourbon (was) so much easier and cheaper to travel in the 2000’s as well. Don’t think it will be once this is over somehow. The media seem to be getting a lot more critical of the lockdowns even in the last 24 hours. The PM rang the Qld premier to request compassion for some poor lass who was too late to see her dying dad (because of all the red tape). Not allowed to go to funeral only to see his body on her own all rugged up in PPE. The premier accused the PM of bullying her.

Attila the Hen.

I posted last week that WestJet were mandating masks for children over 2 – it is nothing short of child abuse.

It really is child abuse. I cannot imagine strapping a mask on a 3 year old who is screaming and trying to tear it off. Just thinking about doing that makes me feel sick.

Boycott them. Put them out of business. I hope their employees sue them.

This is actually a good news story.
Reading the piece to the end, the flight was abandoned because the attitude of the passengers, supportive of the family and hostile to the crew and police, made the crew feel that it was unsafe to continue.

Phew. at least the sheeple didn’t clap and cheers like they did on the easy jet flight full of Brainwashed psychotic Britts.

This isn’t the first of these. There was another similar incident in the US a month or so ago. Can’t find the link, but it may have the same airline.

so what happens when everyone on the plane is wearing a mask and then there is an emergency and the oxygen masks are deployed. Are you allowed to remove your useless covid mask.? is that an offence? do you have to wear both masks? or will they not deploy the oxygen masks on the basis that the covid masks are obviously so brilliant they will save you from everything

It’s getting driven and pushed through by this bunch:

https://wttc.org/COVID-19/Safe-Travels-Global-Protocols-Stamp

They are WEF and UN compromised when your dad the bios of their CEO, and ambassadors.

On their letter to Governments they list some companies who supposedly signed it.

I’m currently writing to some of the signatories asking them if they are willing participants in this suicide note of the travel and tourism industry or ignorant dupes.

https://wttc.org/COVID-19/Government-Hub/Global-coordination-to-save-the-sector

Look at the list.

Yikes! All those “New Normals” .

Oh Canada!

Government Policy remains completely wrong, the bold thing to do would be take every measure to increase Herd Immunity among fit and healthy young people by encouraging them to mix and mingle as much possible, bring back live music, raves, mosh pits.
Promote promiscuous hedonistic lifestyle choices. Open all sporting activity asap especially those with close body contact.

Not much chance of the vulnerable getting involved in any of the above but that behaviour will bring them (me) protection in the future.

Instead the Boris’n’Dom show persist in what can only be called Appeasement in the face of this rapidly declining threat.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/500295-covid-rules-new-uk-six-people/

RT-shock,horror,reds-under-the-beds -provides some welcome sanity.

And , despite not being a religious person, I suspect that St John The Divine nailed it:

“This calls for wisdom: Let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, because it is the number of a person. Its number is 666.”

He had a terrifying vision and saw Hancock.

Out of interest anyone aware of what’s going on in Russia re:Corona now?? We obviously got a rush of patronising news when they announced their (probably placebo) vaccine but nothing since as far as I have seen… Are they, as a nation presumably more used to restrictions and surveillance (tho fuck knows what to believe anymore) bothering with restrictions on life still or has their vaccine freed them as we’re all promised one will?

From the little I’ve read, they seem to be more relaxed about the terror, being ,as you rightly say, accustomed to purges, surveillance ,propaganda and gulags etc. (The latter might be on Hancock’s To-Do list)

https://www.rt.com/russia/500285-covid19-vaccine-third-phase-trial/

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/09/08/leading-scientists-question-highly-improbable-russian-vaccine-results-published-in-lancet-a71384

Links from either side of the ideological divide about Russia’s vaccine trials; all I could find.

I don’t know about Russia but cases where people are hospitalised are rising in Hungary. I believe they’ve had a pretty strict lockdown and masks.

A young Saudi woman (no mask, no veil) was telling me that most of her family at home had caught the Covid (harsh lockdown, intergenerational family in an apartment) but were all fully recovered.

I described the mistreatment of Piers Corbyn by the stasi.
‘But that is the way of the police…’
“It might be in your country not it’s not what we’re used to”.
‘Yes it is a shame for you’.

Great article Wendyk. I feel the need to bombard all the news services with these stories. I bet they would never make it through the censorship boffins.

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

” As I looked, there was a pale horse, and its rider’s name was Death. Hades followed along behind him. They were given authority over a quarter of the earth, to kill with the sword, and with famine, and with death”

The Hancock /Ferguson handbook in biblical writ.

The people quarantined on the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan were picked up from an airport by coaches from a company called “Horseman” coaches. I think they were having little in joke back then with us…There were four coaches.

Regarding this link: https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/09-09-2020-covid-19-could-reverse-decades-of-progress-toward-eliminating-preventable-child-deaths-agencies-warn

Let’s just make absolutely clear for the cheap seats at the back: THIS IS DUE TO LOCKDOWNS NOT COVID-19

Jesus wept.

Indeed, it is the policies that have caused the problems worldwide, not a virus. And yet mainstream media constantly refer to ‘covid’s caused this, or covid’s done that’ etc. Drives me insane. As silly as saying a car caused a speeding accident. So why then isn’t the car sent to gaol for killing people. I do jest, sorry. I do feel so much better when I have had my daily news from LS and reading all your comments.

I have been trying to find the graph Whitty used which apparently showed the percentage of age groups testing positive had increased. No luck so far, any help would be appreciated.

Try the weekly report from the PHE, always on a thursday evening. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/weekly-covid-19-surveillance-report-published

Was trying to look at the link on the DM for the piss-taking images of what our new COVID Marshalls might look like but with all the adverts popping up it was impossible.

I did see however, the mention of Environmental Health Officers being drafted in for the role. And that, as a coffee shop owner, fills me with dread. During my last inspection I was told, in all seriousness, that I should be careful not to overdo items of food that are toasted because doing so may produce a cancer-causing compound. I think we did take the piss at the time and suggest that, perhaps, we should have a colour chart of ‘safe’ toasting. Now, every time a customer asks for crumpets to be “cremated” I issue the EHO warning, we both have a right laugh about it and I proceed to cremate the crumpets.

Oh, it’s going to be fun (NOT).

I am imagining a high viz vest with ‘I AM A DICKHEAD’ written in bold letters on the back.

Be prepared kh; the 2020 Environmental Health bods are on their way.

Oh no WendyK, don’t give the powers that be any ideas or we will all be having to wear one

wendyk, you may jest, but their get-up isn’t that far removed from that!

Just as I suspected kh.

It’s a Science. And you can get a degree in just a couple of weeks.

this is the marshall’s outfit – for safety in all circumstances.. and because they will be dickheads

Fantastic mjr!

Leaked photos of new Covid Marshall’s uniforms with matching coin bag for the “twenty shillings a town”, fee

Very apt. Our town has links to Oliver Cromwell …

The Hitler youth image somewhere on this page is probably pretty accurate.

Posted this yesterday, but the guy they had on LBC around teatime yesterday said that the PCR testing was targeted towards known contacts of the already infected. That means that to add to the fallibility of the tests themselves we are seeing the results of a highly biased sample each day.
Does anyone else have anything on this?

The ONS statistics tomorrow will be interesting.

Creates a self perpetuating cycle of cases.

It’s a key point to make. Because the overall blanket policy approach is based on cases per 100,000. Which includes you.

So because a small related group have infected each other, they then use this to justify locking the full local population down.

It’s like a bar not observing opening hours leading to all bars in the city being closed to prevent it happening again.

Never mind these people are being screened using unfit PCR tests anyway, and that they are almost exclusively not going to be ill enough for hospital

Gosh, it must be a blue moon tonight, GMB (without Piers Morgan today) saying that the rules are so complicated people “will” (not going as far as “should”) just do what they think is right to protect themselves and others. Yes, GMB, it’s called exercising individual discretion, what we adults should be doing all the time.

By the way, UK Column news has been saying for a while, repeated yesterday, that the rules are deliberately complicated to confuse people. Mass confusion increases mass fear. It’s part of the psych-op. If true, surely such deliberate action is the crime of treason.

Classic torture techniques. All of this has been in the script and timetable since day 1 and while we have all been sitting at home distracted the police have been training and are now chomping at the bit to get amongst us.

Interesting piece on UK column yesterday that the partners, wives/husbands of police officers have reported a change in behaviour, aggression and attitude.

Policy in NZ and Australia have been the model.

This has never been about a virus.

Solzhenitsyn described the technique, gulag prisoners forced to move piles of rocks with their bare hands across the parade ground for no apparent reason.
Then made to carry them back again.

Morgan was predictably cheering the latest draconian news in a tweet last night but surprisingly his followers were in disagreement with him. I’d say 9 in 10 of the 100 or so replies I read gave him a kicking.

Morgan has backed the wrong horse in all this. He’s an idiot.

I really hoping that others at ITV have smelt blood in the water!

Handcuffs, muzzle, prison.

The only way out of this is for mass civil disobedience to make it impossible to police.

Liberty has a petition against the Coronavirus Act

https://liberty.e-activist.com/page/63681/petition/1?ea.tracking.id=Website

During yesterday’s laughable press conference Alexander Johnson (I agree with Peter Hitchens that we should stop calling him Boris), said “as your Prime Minister” Well, Mr Johnson, as far as I am concerned, you no longer represent me. The fluffing up of your blonde mop is no longer funny and the Wodehousian old buffer routine no longer fools.

I suspect you no longer represent those people who lent you their votes either. I hope to god that someone comes up with a new political party that represents the parts of this country left behind: the grafters; the middle-Englanders; the ones concerned about law and order; the ones at their wits’ end because they are concerned about their livelihoods; the ones who want conviction politicians who stick to something called principles and the many, many more who look on in despair at what you and your cohorts have done to this country.

Well said, KH and can you clone one for us down here at the same time. Someone who actually has the courage of their convictions. Sadly, Tony Abbott was the only good one after John Howard, and he is pilloried by the media as a misogynist, and a homophobe. 3 daughters, adores his gay sister and his chief of staff was Peta Credlin who anchors a Sky current affairs program. The most tolerant and upstanding member of my community.

Sounds like your loss is our gain. Despite the best efforts of the hysteria mob, I think he managed to get the job here as some sort of trade envoy.

And he is doing it at no cost to the taxpayer from either UK or Australia. Handles himself very well in bushfire and surf lifesaving scenarios also.

Absolutely.

Seems to me they have reached the breaking point – Telegraph and Mail seem to have gone largely sceptical and comments are mostly absolutely fuming.

Think penny is now dropping that unless the fight back starts we are into the world of health passports and mandatory vaccination

Walked bare faced into Petrol station yesterday – guy politely said this is retail setting so please can you wear mask – said o am exempt and he was fine. Then said we have more and more people who just can’t be bothered – I hope this is spreading !

Well why doesn’t the guy stop asking people.

Sadly I think he is a believer – was masked up and when I said I was sympathetic to the non maskers and that that masks did more harm than good you could sense the fury !

Agreed kh; no opposition worth its salt up here, although there are a few-very few-hopeful signs.

Nigel Farage, though bloody useless on Covid so far, yesterday seemed to be turning against the government (perhaps testing the water)? – see first 5 mins, particularly from 4 mins in. ‘We cannot close the whole country down…’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u2Ci9pOpcs
This could really help. The Tories fear Farage more than anyone. If he becomes a full lockdown sceptic, then the currently AWOL invisible Tory MPs will have to move to his position if they don’t want their party to dramatically shed support.
Perhaps worth emailing Farage and the Brexit Party (and probably more responsive than most MPs) with your scepticism and facts. Let’s reel him in.

anyone got his contact details???

Just to add to this.

A sad vignette that reduced me to tears (partly sadness and partly rage at what is being done). I referred to this a few weeks ago when one of our regular customers called to ask if I would prepare some takeaway food for her and her husband. He has been rendered wheel-chair bound by the lockdown and she cannot manoevure his wheel chair to get to the shop. She said she wanted a bit of “normality”. I said I would, gladly.

Yesterday she came in and told me how he was now a shadow of his former self (he was quite an imposing man) and had lost a substantial amount of weight and then she added, and this is what caused me to well up “but then I have too” and the look of resigned sadness in her eyes will live with me for a long time. This lady is sparrow-like, the skin was hanging from her bones (this is no exaggeration) and I just felt so, so sad for her. She added that she was trying to get some respite care because it was difficult for her to cope. I asked where her husband was and she said he was in the car. Their bit of “normality” was to have some sandwiches and drinks, sat in their car in the car park.

This is what this government has done, not the virus. It has taken (as others mentioned here yesterday), the simple pleasures that make life a bit better for most of us (the trip to a cafe; the knitandnatter, church services etc. etc.). It has rendered people, once fit and active, shadows of their former selves and placed their loved ones under unbearable strain. Policitians: you are a disgrace.

They are protected in their ivory towers and need TO HEAR THESE STORIES.

Sorry not shouting at you kh, it makes my blood boil.

Exactly. I wasn’t sure whether to post that or not but it made me so damned angry. And at the same time, I looked around at other customers, oblivious to everything that they are losing (don’t get me wrong, I am glad of the custom) but where’s the anger, where’s the resistance?

I’ve posted on here many times about analogies to what’s going on: ‘Stepford Wives’; ‘One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest’ and yesterday I was reminded of the great Joe Walsh song – “The Band Played On” It’s like that, we can all see the bloody iceberg, but the vast majority just carry on as though everything is ‘normal’.

It’s good to get these stories out. That’s why sites like this are so important. I believe every single action of alerting people to what is really going on, will make a difference. It’s clear that we all have days when we think what’s the point? But then they win

Very sad to hear this. Its not the virus that’s done this to people, its lockdown and social distancing.

This story should be circulated far and wide to demonstrate what is really going on in the real world and not in the la-la land of the shires and posh parts of the big cities.

The politicians have blood on their hands and the lockdownistas are collaborators.

Never forgive, never forget.

The shires are la-la land ?

Totally agree kh. I have 2 elderly lonely widowed friends with health conditions that have suffered and suffered in a country that is now unrecognisable.

My widowed mum would have survived Covid but hated lockdown. I’d been doing her big shop for some years but every day she would walk to her small shops, as much to bump into her friends as to buy things.

I’m convinced my late mum would have been destroyed by this, that’s the only crumb of comfort I have that she is not here.

It’s odd, although it’s the very frail and elderly who are most at risk they are the ones, I have found, who least want all this. Sure, they wear the face mask, but as soon as you tell them it’s not a requirement of coming into our shop, they can’t get the things off fast enough.

Just been sweeping the pavement outside my house and an elderly lady was walking past. I moved out of her way (not in an anti-social-distancing way, but in the normal polite way you would make way for someone) and she wasn’t swerving or going bonkers. She just said “thank you”, smiled and walked past. Sad that such an ordinary day to day exchange should be so noteworthy.

I feel sorry for the elderly who wear masks when they’re obviously in distress and discomfort. The look of relief on their faces back in the day when I could tell them that they didn’t need to wear them always would make me want to blink back tears.

What are we doing?

That is beyond sad. I feel so bad for those two, and angry at those who have tortured them so

Yes agree with Hitch, matey nicknames no longer fit the man. A guy restricting liberty in such wanton manner is nobodies mate. Covid the WHO name makes me squirm as well. We should follow the US Reps and use China Virus, or more fairly CCP Virus.

lifelong conservative as are the rest of the family….next time I will vote Labour, not as they are any use or would be any better, but its about the only way I can do anything to show how much I hate boris, hancock and the rest of them.

Me too. But I cannot, in all conscience, vote for anyone as things stand (I know, we’ve got four long years before we get another chance, but I won’t forget nor forgive, as Mark has said previously).

Perhaps, if the Monster Raving Loony Party stood a candidate here, I might consider them or perhaps, as was mentioned on this page, the SDP.

With elections suspended what happens in the event of a death of an honorable member?

My current voting intention is to spoil my paper.

None of the above, thank you.

You’re assuming we will get to vote again, at any point. I believe the Trilateral Commission has stated somewhere – they believe in [basically] removing the ability of citizens to participate in democracy, just let the ruling elites get on with it.

Donald Trump I’m pretty sure has previously said something to the effect, ‘they don’t hate me, they hate you. I’m just in the way.’

This is the number of positive tests as a percentage of overall test. Flat line….
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&year=latest&time=2020-04-08 ..2020-09-03&country=~GBR&region=World&positiveTestRate=true&interval=smoothed&hideControls=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

I’ve finally written my letter to my MP, inspired by the first part of today’s summary – thanks Toby!

Here it is, in case anyone wants to cut, paste and adapt:

Dear Mrs Atherton MP,

Sir Charles Walker, the Vice Chairman of the influential Conservative 1922 committee of MPs, has recently slammed the new restrictions on social gatherings saying he would vote to “curtail” the Government’s powers.

I quote from the Telegraph:

The changes will impose a legal limit on gatherings in private homes, parks, pubs and restaurants and will come into force in England on Monday.
Sir Charles argued that ministers needed to come to the Commons and “win the argument” on policies, admitting he was “increasingly uncomfortable” about the way the Government was running.
He said: “I am incredibly exercised about the continued use by the Government of powers that we granted it six months ago admittedly, to basically restrict people’s civil liberties without any recourse back to Parliament.
“Now these powers are due to be reviewed at the end of September, or the beginning of October, and hopefully there will be another vote on them.
“And I will be voting – if given the chance to vote in this rather strange Parliament – to curtail the Government’s powers in his area.”

Could you please tell me whether or not you agree with Sir Charles? If you disagree, could you please tell me why?

I’ve contacted you before to congratulate you on your stance opposing the 5-mile restriction that continued in Wales long after the English restrictions had ceased. My family and I are currently politically homeless, aghast at the way the hysteria caused by this pandemic has been mismanaged and indeed stoked by all parties. We are of the firm belief that now, with the Covid-19 death rate and hospitalisation rate all but vanished in the UK, and the threat of a second wave vanquished, we need to “Keep Calm and Carry On” in order to get the UK back on its feet, not impose more draconian restrictions. This country needs MPs with a strength of character, such as Sir Charles and yourself, to hold the Government to account and help steer the UK away from the rocks.

Yours sincerely …

So it is confirmed now that we will be using “Digital Immunity Passports.”

“People will be given digital immunity passports that would allow those who test negative to take part in more normal activities.”

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-doubtful-as-leaked-government-document-reveals-plans-for-10-million-tests-by-next-year-12067722

Another ‘conspiracy theory’ proved correct. The information is all out there .The ultimate aim is you have a tattoo embedded in your skin with all your vaccine history and it can be scanned so you can partake of ‘normal life’.This has to be the aim because testing of itself doesn’t prove anything.I could be infected after I took my test so unless you are continually tested throughout the day it wouldn’t even work on its own terms.

they want a micro chip in you

Finally, a political party is prepared to speak out.

https://sdp.org.uk/sdptalk/coronapolitics-defending-the-unmeasurable/

I saw William Clouston being interviewed on talkRADIO the other day and he came across very well. Don’t recall seeing them on the ballot paper in this neck of the woods. Perhaps that might change. We certainly need an alternative.

Was hoping they would finally come out as sceptics

Given that Labour is even more strongly lockdown than the Tories, it would give the SDP an clear identity.

“the rules are simple to understand”. Reading the updated guidance (guidance, not law) that Toby linked to to try and work out whether the heritage walk I have booked on next week is allowed. Meetings of 30 are still allowed in churches and community groups. But it says nothing about a group of people outside say on a ramble or in my case wandering around the town looking at historic buildings. I suspect it is within the law, but rather think the organiser will pull the event as anybody who questions us will be hard to convince.

And what really is this project Moonshot the BBC have as lead story today?

If it’s a project to banish Matt Hancock to the moon then I’m all for it.

Sorry – where are the rules linked? I can’t find them and I want to show a friend who is wondering whether he has to cancel a ‘community group’ event next week (and I want to read them myself)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-guidance-for-the-safe-use-of-multi-purpose-community-facilities/covid-19-guidance-for-the-safe-use-of-multi-purpose-community-facilities

The word Moonshot intrigues me. I first heard it a few weeks ago in conjunction with Tony Blair – so I associate it with him. Is it one of his ideas perhaps?

Anyway, I found this article from 2017 which seeks to explain the term:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what-is-a-moonshot_b_59ace5abe4b0c50640cd6096 ?

“A Moonshot (10x improvement), in contrast, can’t be achieved by working harder alone.
You have to start with a clean sheet of paper and be willing to try seemingly crazy ideas.
You have to keep writing down crazy ideas until you find one that doesn’t actually seem so crazy. Don’t forget that “the day before something is truly a breakthrough, it’s a crazy idea.”

This ties in with Cummings’ plea from about a year ago, where he was seeking ‘weirdos’ and ‘geeks’. So an idea of his also?

It sounds quite cultish though – there’s something New Agey and sinister to the word.

–

“Have you had your Moonshot this month, Mrs Jones?”

“Yeeeerrrrshhhh.” (Drooool)

I suspect it goes back to the space race in the 1960s. JFK saw getting a man on the moon as a vital project for American prestige and, given the American proclivity for shooting at things, the etymology would definitely fit.

Just checked and the terms dates to 1958, so right at the beginning of the space race.

But what has that got to do with a vaccine? Why call it Project Moonshot? It’s not a word they’ve just plucked out of a bag. There must be some psychological reason for choosing this word. At face value, Project Moonshot just sounds bizarre.

As someone said on here yesterday, it’s a newish and seldom-used word otherwise, so easy for all the government trolls to scan social media for – ie to find where people are discussing it and shut non-compliant discourse down..

Mmm… interesting. Thanks Carrie.

Moonshine calls it, apparently wankcock got laughed at by Labour while introducing it to the commons.

Boris is worried about a possible shortage of green cheese.

For the life of me i can’t understand how anyone can support these lockdown crimes against our civil liberties. They just don’t have the right. I pray some of the old school 1922 tories make a stand. It’s time for Boris and his corrupt henchmen to be gone. They can’t keep doing this to us. They can’t be allowed force vaccinations and testing on us and they can’t force these so called digital passports and all that surveillance. It’s my life and i have the right to go about my business not harming anyone else without being spied on or asked to show my papers or barred from using public services i’ve paid for because i’ve not taken some dodgy vaccine made by a man who isn’t a scientist and went to jeffery Epsteins peso island. I’m not against vaccines, i had my kids vaccinated and i’ve been vaccinated but can’t these mother fuckers see how sinister the whole thing is.
I feel we have two choices here, either these 1922 committee and others make a stand in parliament maybe some kind of sit in protest or we take to the streets like the Poll Tax/ iraq war demos and stay there until this is stoped. Toby’s mates in the Telegraph and other such esteemed organs need to be printing this sort of stuff on there front page. A call to arms for those of us who want our country back and don’t want to be governed by a “scientific elite” who seem to think because the’ve a degree and a fucking bunsen burner, a note pad and a model done on an old Apple Mac they can toy with out lives forever. I’m the one that’s got to die when it’s my time so i’m the one who gets to decide how i live not these people. The way it stands at the moment it’s like they’re gonna force us to take up an armed revolution and hang these bastards from lampposts. I wonder how the woke diverse police are gonna cope when there are five million people on the streets of London demanding their freedom. I can hardly believe i’m saying this in our country but we are no different that China in the governments total and utter disregard for the sanctity of the individual. I think Boris should be very ashamed and his father needs to give him a good fucking slap.

Biker, at least China tell you it to your face

Liberty piping up is huge, is it not?

I think we need to hit people the old fashioned way with mass letter box drops. Perhaps someone more lucid than myself could put together something we can download ourselves and print off at home to distribute to our neighbourhoods and suburbs depending on how energetic we feel. In Victoria they could only do a 5km radius and I would be worried about police raids on homes if the police got a snifter. We need to get round all these censorships that are taking place and the only way I can see is by the old fashioned letterbox. Happy to do my bit where I live and then some. We need to bring this on worldwide if we want to get our liberties back.

One of my old schoolfriends on Facebook received something of the ilk through his letterbox yesterday. It touched on the Gates conspiracy (which I think is something of a mistake) but it mostly stuck to the evidence. He shared it on FB, but whether many people will read it I don’t know. Some people commented that it was too long, which suggests you need something short and snappy to get through to people. Our friend at Lockdown Truth may have something that fits the bill.

So true Andrew, even if we can just point people to look at Lockdown Sceptic perhaps. I’m not on Facebook (old dinosaur), but I gather it is fairly regulated. I’m frustrated that a lot of people are only being served msm etc and taking it all in as gospel.

To be honest, I’m only on Facebook because it’s an easy way to keep in touch with my nephew. I rarely post anything personally (used to do the odd theatre review back in the days we had theatre).

Aah yes, the theatre – in the good old days!

The Facebook group Save Our Rights UK is getting a bit more intelligent than it was at the start. It used to be mainly a lot of ranting about masks, and even though I agreed with the conclusions there wasn’t much logical argument on display. However it’s getting better in that respect.

Agree with going old school. Anonymous letterbox drops are much harder to track than online. Something that sticks to the facts without conspiracy theories is really important.

May have been one time, but with loads of houses having CCTV and Ring doorbell systems the anonymity is long gone. Although our arch nemesis, the mask, will help to protect us from identification.

That’s when a mask IS useful.

wankcock has already gone old school. His Lockdown London Dictat will be via Myspace; hoping nobody notices him tossing off to Cute Cat vids.

Yes, but where are the five million going to come from? I don’t know anyone outside my own household who hasn’t swallowed this bollocks all the way.

Maybe Great Britain is just done. As a society we don’t deserve to get out of this. The truth is, most of the people in his country deserve what they are getting because they won’t stand up to it.

Why am I still the only one walking through Morrisons and Tescos unmuzzled, and the only one dropping my child off at school unmuzzled?

Pathetic and pitiful.

There will be no 5 million people on the streets..Maybe if you cancelled EastEnders and Love island on the same day but not for anything else.. 99% of the people are brainwashed sheep..Look at the London protest..35.000..that is fucking abysmal..London has 9 million people..If Arsenal played fucking Stoke tomorrow in the 3rd round of the Carabo cup there would be 70000 people no problem..Nobody cares, nobody want to do anything..Democracy does not die with a scream , but with a whisper.

It was nothing like 35,000, maybe 5,000. We occupied 1/2 of Trafalgar Square, an area of about 3,500m2. Maybe 2 people /m2? You try & get 10 people in a phone box, that’s about 1m2!
But I think a march with a libertarian theme rather than the conspiracy crowd could do well.

Unless and until the money runs out and/or people start dying because of their vaccinations, or a real scandal came out or took place that shakes the now firmly established firm beliefs of the crowd at their core (e.g. masks do increase Corona infections, and they knew it; vaccines against Corona ARE indeed completely unnecessary for 90% of the people, and they know it; HCQ does work, and they knew it), there is little hope for a change of mind, neither for a change of course.

I don’t agree. The problem is that most people probably didn’t know about it.

It’s very difficult to communicate in mockdown and while facebook and twitter are so heavily censored, it’s difficult to successfully advertise such gatherings.

On point Biker, as always!

A good slap upside his head.

Many in these comments are puzzled by the apparent inability of the British public to think for themselves and escape from the fear trap. The answer is that they have been brainwashed. The Government deliberately chose fear based brainwashing tactics in launching ‘Project Fear On Steroids’. You can start to find out about it here:

https://evidencenotfear.com/how-sage-and-uk-media-created-fear-in-the-british-public/

Here are some sample quotes from the SPI-B documents:

Government persuasion through fear A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened.
The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging .

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/887467/25-options-for-increasing-adherence-to-social-distancing-measures-22032020.pdf

In our efforts to persuade people we are trying to overcome this massive government brainwashing effort.

Are there any applied psychologists out there who can help us to focus our response?

The whole public does not need to be brainwashed. Only about 10%. What happens is theses fundamentalists push their views and most others go along to get along. In the end the society becomes more fundamentalist.

Exactly. 10-15% for, 10-15% against, 70-80% sheep that just go along with whatever.

Herd stupidity! You don’t need 100% of people to be stupid, just some to be so and if the rest are passive then that is sufficient.

Yes, I agree with that, but how do we counter it?

The antidote to fear is love.

Ageed. But the antidote to despair is anger.

I’d go with action. But anger would probably work too.

Well done to Will Jones once again for today’s post.

Sue Denim’s piece is absolutely bang on, especially this bit:

Rephrased, his [Ferguson’s] conclusions could have been worked out on the back of a napkin, as “any” model would give the same conclusions given just three variables. Therefore it didn’t require 15,000 lines of code or any particular expertise to do his job. Literally “any” model would agree.

Yep, as I did in a few lines of Excel back in April. The Emperor has no clothes. Within about three minutes I’d found that the critical variable was population susceptibility. And somehow Ferguson et al missed that – or so we are asked to believe.

What Ferguson and the rest fail to admit: given the lack of basic knowledge about covid transmissibility and population susceptibility, the models back then were of no predictive use whatsoever . They might have helped policy makers to think about the disease, but never to predict it.

But why bother to think when ‘models’ can take the responsibility for you. Fuming, because I’ve seen exactly the same in another area of government science, and how embedded it is, and eventually I just had to walk.

And exactly the same mistakes – or rather abuses – are being made now, as anyone who has read the ‘Reasonable Worse Case Scenario’ data, as leaked to Deborah Cohen, will realise.

Once again, it is Imperial College ‘models’ which are being (ab)used now to crush our society.

And these very same hypocrites would cry out in terror if their car, their food, their phones were deemed suitable and safe for use on the back of an unvalidated and unverified model.

If Ferguson’s models were used to build bridges, the bridge would fall down and he’d be put in jail.

Dilbert: “The aim of every engineer is to reach retirement without getting blamed for a major catastrophe”

Doesn’t seem to apply to scientists.

Yes, although I think ‘academics’ should replace ‘scientists’ here.

That’s why he chose modelling and not engineering.

The other issue was that if the same input was used the output was different, which it should never be.

Yes, that is correct – but this effect is in the noise compared with the assumptions being wildly out. It is however a sure sign of laziness.

Basically, his modelling is random number generation.

The man is a fraud and charlatan.

And so is the government.

the models back then were of no predictive use whatsoever . They might have helped policy makers to think about the disease, but never to predict it.

I hope they did, because part of the modelling process is to expose the assumptions and assumed range of values. The assumption that there was little to no pre-existing immunity was the right one to make at the time, given that there was no way of finding out in the time available, and the disease was novel. But the outcome of the “unmitigated” model was not the precise number but the qualitative “catastrophic”. Funnily enough, that turned out to be correct. The experience of Manaus and Guayaquil shows that although the number of deaths would not have been as high, it would still have been catastrophic (and caused the collapse of the NHS in London at least). So this particular model was, as Box famously put it “wrong but useful”. It gave the right answer, which informed the decision that doing nothing was not an option. Whether the thing done was the right thing is quite another matter, and one on which most people reading this have a very clear view.

Sorry I haven’t replied for a while, but I’ve been out and about all day.

Well I’m sure they didn’t think about what the disease progress might be. And of course, using a simplistic model such as Ferguson’s leads, and effectively an infection doubling rate every 3-4 days, 100% susceptibility, and a death rate of 0.9% lead to some horrendous figures.

But were they ever plausible? I think not. These sorts of diseases never involve 100% susceptibility – not even AIDs. Not everyone gets the flu when it goes around, or a cold. Perhaps only about 35-40% of people in England got bubonic plague in 1348-9.

And, as has been said many times now, deaths were dropping from the second week of April, implying that peak infection rate was before lockdown. Whatever benefit of the doubt the more generous may be inclined to allow them, the measures could have been wound right back from the end of April the latest. In any event, lockdown didn’t ‘save the NHS’.

In my experience, models are a great way for policy makers to abrogate responsibility – it wasn’t them, or their advisors, or even the modellers: it was the model . As if the model itself is some sort of independent reality.

And, astonishingly, Ferguson and Imperial are still calling the shots. Ferguson’s method is I think quite clear – make the most apocalyptic warnings, and he’ll get the government’s ear. The real scientist, who is honest and doesn’t go to the extremes of terror, doesn’t get the contract.

I’m sure they didn’t think about what the disease progress might be

I don’t know who “they” are, but if you mean members of SAGE and SPI-M, I’m pretty sure that they did.

Perhaps only about 35-40% of people in England got bubonic plague in 1348-9.

Seems unlikely, considering that something like 50% of the population died of it.

implying that peak infection rate was before lockdown

… but after social measures started. If you want to argue that social measures had already effectively mitigated the spread of the disease, that’s fine, but not strictly relevant to discussing the hypothetical process of the unmitigated scenario.

These sorts of diseases never involve 100% susceptibility – not even AIDs. Not everyone gets the flu when it goes around, or a cold.

Conflating two things here. Flu typically has a lower R0, implying lower herd immunity threshold, and probable pre-existing immunity, not to mention vaccination. Certainly not everyone is susceptible, but more to the point, not every encounter with an infectious person causes infection.

models are a great way for policy makers to abrogate responsibility

I share that concern. After all, quite a lot of the people commenting here are blaming the model, or the modellers, or the concept of modelling rather than our democratically accountable government whose job it is to decide.

Thanks for your reply, and of course now there’s a new page up I’ve no idea whether you will see this.

When I say ‘they’ I mean policy makers. I don’t think Johnson, Hancock and co are capable of thinking about covid-19. To the extent that SAGE did ‘think’ about it, they clearly came with preconceptions, or at least an unwillingness to take responsibility for a light touch approach. Lack of clarity of thinking has been a major feature of the government’s handling of covid. I also think there are some serious questions to be asked  about the makeup of SAGE, and whether it included a suitable diversity and range of expertise, and about the diversity and range of expertise the government has consulted during the whole episode, They appear to have limited themselves to a very narrow range of opinion.

My experience of government using models is they do indeed replace the need to ‘think’. Other people may have had different experiences, but that is what I’ve seen, and for me it has uncomfortable apparent echoes here.

According to what I’ve read, only about a third of the English population died of Black Death. But even if it was 50% my point still stands – somehow or other half didn’t, and given that the mortality rate of those with the disease was close to 100%, that means they can’t have had the disease. And given the living conditions, where it could spread very easily, they probably had some sort of immunity, or for some other reason weren’t susceptible.

Lockdown was announced on 23 March – yes there were measures before that, but they weren’t lockdown. My position at that time was that I accepted the measures announced up to 20 March, although with reluctance and some doubt; but I was entirely against actual Lockdown from the minute I heard about it. We just don’t know how much effect the measures announced up to 20 March had – the debate is still out on that, and the experience of lots of countries will have to be analysed before we have a reasonable idea.

My point on AIDS and flu, etc. Like Black Deat, it  was just to show examples of diseases against which the population does not apparently have 100% susceptibility. Covid has many features in common with flu – but as you say, it appears that significant proportion of people do have immunity to the various flu strains, even new ones. This may well have been gained by previous exposure to those previous strains. That appears to be the thinking now with covid-19. I’m not an epidemiologist, but I’m gobsmacked that policy makers didn’t consider this as being a likely, and even highly likely, feature of covid-19.

Your point about not every encounter with an infectious person causing infection is of course an interesting one, which we don’ appear to understand fully. Again, there is every reason to think it is also a feature of covid-19.

I think your last paragraph is makes a fair point.

Have you been posting on here for long? I should say that I welcome people coming on here and making contradictory points, particularly technical points – saves it becoming an echo chamber – although a lot of people come on and read here to get like-minded company and stop themselves going nuts during all this, which is fair enough.

Sorry for dashed post, and please read (if you see it) in that light. And we are debating highly complex issues here, which perhaps a forum like this isn’t entirely suited to.

The susceptibility issue is huge.

The Irish Health body were defending their ‘with/of’ Covid numbers today in this horrendous article. Largely in line with the CDC analysis 95% approx of deaths are ‘with Covid’, the number in Ireland was around 110 people from 1777 deaths.

https://www.thejournal.ie/how-many-people-have-died-from-covid-19-in-ireland-5198763-Sep2020/

They try to maintain the narrative by saying that “Well, a third of Irish people have underlying conditions, so we have to stay vigilant”

These kind of nonsensical arguments appeal to common sense. But it’s not useful for the purposes of the argument at all. They are trying to imply that everyone of those 33% are susceptible. How many of them have actually tested positive and recovered for example? Are any of them immune as we we see in studies of antibodies and T cell responses? Are all those underlying conditions proven to make people more susceptible?

It’s obfuscation at the most basic level. Being liberal with the truth. Cherry picking. No integrity. Absolute liars.

The Health Police are crazy. Not to be trusted most of the time.

Your last paragraph is bang on.

On one of the BBC have your day was a comment that stated his 1 year old daughter had had her regular childhood vaccinations and had developed a temperature. They were self isolating and waiting to get tested, their elder child hadn’t been to pre school either. I responded by saying they didn’t need to self isolate as the child had a normal reaction to a vaccination. I also pointed out that their children were too young to be tested. I don’t know where they got the idea that they needed to be tested at all.
My comment received at least one down vote.
what is wrong with people?

Have your say, not day. Predictive text error.

Having your day is better. Less easy to ignore.

What is wring with people?
Stupidity.
Against which the gods contend in vain.

Those whom the gods destroy they first make mad, or the Christian version, “God gave them over to a reprobate mind . .”

Genuine question about the operational matters of freezing out parliament by the government – Linsays letter to Hancock and the 1922 chair expressing incandescence at the path the cabal are leading us all down.

Genuinely, how do the givernmet actions fit with the idea what we are seeing is cover up of incompetence?

I don’t mean to labour the difference between views that there is or isn’t a plan causing this. I simply would like to understand how Hancock and the rest are acting with so little respect for the customs and procedure of OUR parliament.

Speaking as a long-term supporter of the cock up theory (whose faith is wavering somewhat), remember that this is a leadership that used every trick in the book to subvert the constitution and play fast and loose with parliamentary rules last year over Brexit. I strongly suspect that they’ve discovered that using the Coronavirus Act to rule by SI is simply too easy and too much fun for them to want to bother with such boring things as accountability, parliamentary scrutiny or democracy for as long as they can get away with it.

Their underlying motives, however, are very much up for debate

Thank you Matt. I appreciate your reply. Fairly plausible, I won’t add comment because I haven’t given thought to it yet.

Where can we see Sir Lindsay’s letter, please?

Read Tobys Update.
It was in the DT. A verbal reprimand from Sir Lindsay in Parliament yesterday. The letter was from a bunch of backbenchers.

Don’t forget de Piffle tried to prorogue Parliament within weeks of becoming PM. In effect he’s succeeded by a backdoor route.

“We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it.” ― George Orwell

The analogy I’d put forward, is our government, along with many others around the world, are standing in the bottom of a pit they’ve dug themselves, with help from the WHO, media/tech and NGOs. They all believe if they keep digging, they’ll eventually come out the other side. It’s obvious they won’t, but the more they dig, the more likely we’re all going to fall in.

If they keep digging we’ll end up in China. Like the Road Runner.

The belief in testing is like homeopathy. You take an ingredient, amplify (or dilute) it a million times, and claim it is still effective because it is present.

Homeopaths believe that the more you dilute a remedy, the more potent it is.
Hence the joke about the man who firgot to take his homeopathic remedy and died of an overdose.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54096061 under 5’s wearing masks??

What happens to employees on furlough come October?
We know the money will stop. Some offices will only allow 20% of staff back so they can comply with social distancing rules. Perhaps it is worth looking at the definition of furlough

A furlough is a temporary leave of employees due to special needs of a company or employer, which may be due to economic conditions of a specific employer or in society as a whole. These involuntary furloughs may be short or long term, and many of those affected may seek other temporary employment during that time.

Will employees find themselves in a state of permanent financial limbo?. Not sacked or made redundant. On unpaid leave and not able to claim benefits as they are still ’employed”

I’m assuming that when companies are faced with crippling debt brought about by loans taken out and a fall in profits they will go bankrupt and those people on furlough will be made redundant.

one thing for sure is my hard work over the years and the tax i pay on my earnings is going to people sitting around doing nothing. It’s not fair. Everyone can be unemployed from time to time and then get back to work but millions aren’t and many of these will be sitting their with their hands out looking to the likes of me to drop some coins in their hand so they can do fuck all. Seems to me the more you do to look after yourself they want it from you.

A man on Jeremy Vine recently:

“Where do you work?” “Public sector.” “Can you work from home?” “No, not really.” “Are you keen to get back to work?” “No, I prefer to work from home”.

Your tax doesn’t go anywhere. It effectively goes in the bin. You earn more than you otherwise would have because government spending maintains demand in the economy. That’s how the furlough scheme has worked for six months.

Tax arises as a result of government spending. It’s how they get it back *after* they’ve spent it.

What we need now is a guaranteed alternative job to go to so people can still sell their labour hours while the private sector reconfigures itself rapidly to the new way of working.

Otherwise we’ll have sound capital being destroyed alongside the stuff that is no longer viable.

the last thing we need is a guaranteed job from the government. Who will pay the wages but me and my tax. The drivel you posted makes me think you’ve a hard time working out out much something costs in a pound shop

I suspect many of them will be made redundant or re-hired on new contracts. However given that many businesses are now deep in debt and possibly have little or no reserves, it will be the former.

Also business rents are due to be collected during the last week of September. That is crucial because I foresee more shops and offices closing down.

So Ferguson again says: “The key conclusion [is] that severe social distancing measures were required to prevent health systems being overwhelmed”. But that is not what we are doing, is it!
I can accept the argument that, for a very limited time in March or April, there was a risk of hospital facilities being overwhelmed. That creates bad TV, especially for a Conservative government. But now we have the data we can see that this was a cohort of the terminally ill, mostly in hospital for other reasons.
If you started the clock from now, and you asked: “What is required to prevent health systems from being overwhelmed?” and someone said: “Lock down all social and economic activity. Close the hospitals, shut schools.” people would thing you were either mad or a fanatic with an agenda.

They’d been saying this for years. Even the government’s own emergency response plan from a few years back was saying don’t do this

“Sydney family told only one child can go to Queensland to say goodbye to dying father“

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/sydney-family-told-only-one-child-can-go-to-queensland-to-say-goodbye-to-dying-father-c-1304260

Horrific modern day ‘Sophie’s Choice’

Vile, diabolical evil.

Tonight’s news update on this is they all can go to see their dying father, but they are only allowed to drive there (900 kilometres), quarantine for 2 weeks, then an hour’s visit each child. It will cost $16,000. What was noticeable though was the slight change in attitude of the reporter and anchor. I am getting the impression of a change in rhetoric.

“They told us we were being selfish – and we weren’t taking into consideration the other cancer patients,” Mr Langborne told 7NEWS

There are no words

That’s is an abuse of human rights. I honestly think that would break me in so many ways.

These people are evil . Outright Satanic.

Back to the model and Sue Denim’s comments. One thing we don’t hear enough of is the limits of current medical knowledge. As Sue says, if the results don’t follow your predictions, your hypothesis is wrong.

I think public health is somewhat fooled by the success of science rather than medicine. We can inspect cells and genes with astounding precision. But that does not mean we know how they work. There was a phase when the pharmaceutical industry thought it could discover new drugs with robotic testing of compounds. It was a dismal failure.

As Ferguson says, the essence of the model is based on “infection” and “fatality”, and yet medically we do not know what those are. We can’t even measure them when they are right in front of us. When someone tests positive, we can’t even say whether they are infectious. When someone dies, we can’t even say with accuracy what they died of.

Excellent point. At the data collection level this is obvious. At the policy level the margins of error are compounded with a need to do something.

Thats also fine. But you need to review positions as the data evolves

Very sceptical editorial piece in the Telegraph (I strongly suspect it was penned by our very own TY). I really do think this is the last concession the Johnson will be allowed to make to the doom mongers. The 1922 committee and the editorial page of the Telegraph are clear and unequivocal that enough is enough and we have got to get on with our lives and live with this glorified cold.

We should all buy a copy! Boost their sales….encourage them to continue their scepticism

No, there is talk of curfew now. We will end up like Victoria State, Australia.

Cheerful stuff, jh. Hungover ?

Why is Ferguson not considered a junk scientist? He has utterly failed the Feynman test.

If it disagrees with experiment it is wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science. It does not make any difference how beautiful your guess is. It does not make any difference how smart you are, who made the guess, or what his name is – if it disagrees with experiment it is wrong. That is all there is to it.

Feynman’s other advice to his students was the first thing you think when coming across a scientific pronouncement, no matter the lofty individual or book saying it is:

DISREGARD.

Do not take claims on their face and work back. Always start from a sceptical position and work up

“In the final analysis facts are more important than PR, because nature cannot be fooled’ Richard Feynman, report on Challenger shuttle disaster.

Nature is speaking, let’s hope more people are listening.

Science is pretty much dead

It’s probably not a fashionable view to have – on this site at least! – but I rather feel sorry in advance for those covid marshals. They will be the personification of this authoritarian regime; in short modern-day capos, prisoners in charge of other prisoners. When the worm turns, and it will, it will all be unleashed on them as the face of it all. God help them.

They don’t have to take the job do they. They could refuse.

What’s amazing is how quickly people join the Stasi, and then deny they ever did afterwards. Happens time and again.

Indeed they could; but if no-one joins up, it’ll be a job passed to local authority employees.

And, of course, that should be kapos.

In saner times, a person wilfully applying for the job of Covid Marshall should be ruled out on the basis that they are unsuitable.

However people who have lost employment and need to support their families may step up. People are already desperate and more will become so. Having said that there are probably plenty of little dictators who would do it for free.

The Quebec government is considering the same tactic. I think that they are collaborating. It’s an orgnaized, global blitz.

Many people take shitty jobs they’d rather refuse, simply to feed and shelter their families.
However, any retired EHOs who sign up should be dealt with appropriately.

I disagree very strongly. You could make the same argument for collaborators in occupied France.

And then many decades later these collaborators tried to pass off being in the Resistance or claiming that they opposed the German occupation.

We’ll get the same here, lockdownistas claiming that they were actually against lockdown and social distancing.

That’s why I want an FPN at least. Evidence.

The Milice, active enforcers of Nazi rule.

It will be like being a traffic warden, only worse.

Make Boris, Matt and all the others enforce these rules. Quit using proxies, Nazis!

When is a journalist going to have the balls to ask Ferguson how his modelling fits with Sweden? This country has been destroyed on the basis of the jottings of this scientific shag sack and no one ever asks him the most obvious question..

He was interviewed on Radio 4 Today this morning. Disgraceful interview. I was shouting “Sweden” at the radio!

Yesterday’s news filled me with rage and so did the reaction from my colleagues when the social events they’ve planned had to be cancelled – oh its all for the best, infections are going up, yadda, yadda. Goes to show how much of the population is still asleep and shutting their brains to the reality of our situation.

While the imbeciles in the government continue along the path of transforming this country into a police state, meanwhile, a few days ago someone was murdered not far from where I live and yesterday there were police in my street due to I suspect another domestic incident.

The government’s obsession with the mythical eradication of what is nothing more than a bad flu has led to all sorts of problems from untreated illnesses, mental health issues, abuse, people are having to put up with the prospect of their livelihood being decimated and having to live with rising crime and antisocial behaviour as a result of lockdown and antisocial distancing.

I am fed up with the crocodile tears from others, their constant platitudes of “we’re in this together” and “saving the NHS.” The government has blood on their hands and the so-called opposition are nothing but collaborators – they should be reminded of this all day everyday.

I hope and pray for the day when the likes of Johnson, Hancock, Whitty, Vallance and Ferguson are brought to the dock to answer for their crimes.

They will soon wake up when they can’t buy their shopping because people are panic buying or there are food shortages or they can’t have their 2 weeks in the sun because BA and Easyjet have gone bankrupt or their house has been burgled or their range rover has been broken into. Honest hard working people are on the verge of losing their job, living, houses and self-respect.

Sorry this rant isn’t aimed at you just the pig headed people who have swallowed this shit from day 1.

Agree. And also when their savings and generous pension schemes are raided to pay for all the debts we’ve accumulated.

I will have no sympathy for them.

Me too. I think there are certain *types* who think that they are immune from the pain that will ensue. Where do they think the income to pay their pensions comes from? They may be enthusing about not going back to work in big cities but a large amount of income is generated from those empty skyscrapers that pension funds and insurance companies are so heavily invested in. Not to mention all those (once) blue chip companies that are fast going down the pan.

Well said but unfortunately many of these people think that money grows on trees.

And they shouldn’t be so smug working from home and claiming that they’re “saving” money. When companies cotton on to the possibility that they can pile on more work on them for less pay then either their salaries will be cut or frozen for years with no hope of a pay rise.

They should also be aware of the possibility of hiring someone in India to do the same job whilst paying in rupees rather than pounds, they’re expendable and can be thrown in the scrapheap.

Their actions are starting to look intentional. They are crazed and deluded.

I think they’re deranged and insane and I think you’re spot on.

Definitely intentional. One well-orchestrated psy-op.

Jonathan Sumption with Alison Pearson on Planet Normal. I love this man! https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/10/planet-normal-use-fear-has-brought-greatest-invasion-personal/

… but Prof Pantsdown is pushing for more restrictions… Still spouting nonsense about ‘flattening the curve’: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-social-distancing-gatherings-rules-covid-vaccine/

He’s like a stuck record!

He has been like a broken record since the late 1990s to early 2000s.

Why he’s still been listened to is a mystery.

I notice on the PM’s briefing they pointed to a chart showing a 4 week forecast. Only Belgium had a good outcome. Dim Whitty said this was down to precautionary measures taken. I remember this being masks worn indoors in bars and restaurants

‘Professor Neil Ferguson, whose modelling led to the decision to impose the lockdown in March, has warned that the UK should not rule out more restrictions.
The Imperial College epidemiologist told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “The measures just announced will take some weeks to have an effect, so we need to wait at this point and see how much it will flatten the curve.
“And then if that is not sufficient to bring the reproduction number below one , so the epidemic starts shrinking again, then yes, we may need to clamp down in other areas.”
The Government has tightened restrictions on meeting in groups after a surge in infections prompted concerns over a second wave of coronavirus .
From Monday 14 September it will be illegal for people in England to gather in groups of more than six.
Prof Ferguson said he was still working from home, and cautioned: “Certainly I think we should hesitate and maybe pause at the headlong rush to get everybody back into offices.
“But some people have to work and I completely understand the concerns in many quarters that everybody working at home has an economic impact, particularly on city centres.”

Yes, he is INSANE!

he is wedded to his initial model and assumptions and he’s hardly going to backtrack when many other people accept his predictions as well.

He’s not insane, he’s an imbecile. A mediocre melonhead.

Certainly a smug self-righteous b’stard.

Imperial College Shattock on Sky News Burley.

The vaccines are not going to be perfect. As time goes by we will get them better.

There’s no point developing a vaccine that has side effects people won’t tolerate.

We need treatments and vaccine this is going to be around for years he said.

Earlier a Mr Sommers vaccine trial participant remarked I had my first vaccine in May. No symptons, slightky raised temp, red arm. If I was going to keel over I would have by now. Oh wow, the man presented as a self consciously intelligent man. Why is he not aware of how vaccine testing must pass through time.

Christmas cancelled? I guess Diwali will not be the same this year

Watch these doctors say it’s all a massive crime https://youtu.be/l5YJhwJCS2o

“ As we’ve seen before in this paper , at some point epidemiologists started to define success for their predictions as “matches what other epidemiologists predict” instead of “matches reality”.”

So basically, any number of people could have claimed success for their flying inventions before the Wright brothers:

“I never lifted off the ground by flapping my arms with my contraption. I concluded that I was not successful until I saw that many other inventors were attempting to fly using flappers on their arms just like I was. Therefore, my invention is a success!”

Of the 32 deaths reported yesterday or the 8 today it would be informative to know if ANY of them caught the virus in the community, out & about.
Remember, 75% of hospital’covid’ admissions are of people already in the hospital!
Only 60% of deaths have been of people in hospital. That means at most only 15% of the numbers they’re trying to terrify people with could conceivably come from outside the care system.

These are still the fundamental statistics we all still need to know. If this information was shared regularly it would calm everyone down.

It’s all here https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/08/Covid-Publication-13-08-2020.xlsx
82% of all ‘Covid’ admissions to hospital since March 20th to August 9th were people who were already in hospital. They just went from the non-covid ward to the covid ward!
Only 60% of the deaths were in hospital. The other 40% came from people in care or care homes, so they didn’t get the virus from a young person down the pub! 18% of 60% = 10.8%, that suggests only 10.8% of all the fatalities came from outside the care system.
We have 2 pandemics, 1 of old people & 1 of obese/diabetic/ill people.

I note that the dictatorship has slipped in a power of arrest with their latest ‘laws”

If these powers had been in place for the past month then it is highly likely that Piers Corbyn would be remanded in custody in a prison by now

How you ask?

Once arrested an individual can be charged with an offence and bailed to a court. In Mr Corbyns case it would likely to have been conditional bail i.e. not to attend demonstrations etc

If he (or anyone) subsequently breaches their bail conditions they can be arrested taken before a court and remanded in custody to a prison

If he (or anyone) commits a further offence whilst on bail (for example meeting more than six people), they are again liable to arrest and remand in custody for committing an offence whilst already on bail

(Bail Act 1976)

I presume the prison service has told the Home Office that they will not be able to cope with the influx of refusniks.

I suspect there will be plans afoot to build camps to house them (where have we heard that before?)

Meet six people once= arrest, charge, and bailed to court

Meet six people on a second occasion= arrest, charge, remanded in custody

All introduce by means of Statutory Instrument

My wife’s view of why this madness has gripped the government, and I find it hard to disagree, is that Boris’s serious health condition, which put him in hospital, may have coloured what might otherwise have been the response of an otherwise sensible man.

If this view has legs then perhaps a session with a psycho therapist would have benefited the entire nation. Just a thought.

I think what would be powerful would to have some people who had coronavirus bad stand up and say “yes it was awful, but awful things happen all the time and I don’t want the country locked down for this”. Boris has been traumatised and lost all perspective as a result. We don’t know how we ourselves would react in such a situation but I think your wife is right that it is unfortunate that as PM this has happened to him and he has gone somewhat (completely?) mad about it. Mind you, SAGE don’t seem to have gained any perspective in the last few months either. Maybe it’s a collective thing…

It may have affected him a bit though the key blunder – to lock down, and to ramp up fear – occurred BEFORE he got ill

And what about the rest of the cabinet, or parliament

Every man jack of them, spineless

Vested interests

So the only outcome for anyone who has ever had a serious, life-threatening illness is to become a bedwetting dictator?

This was planned before then. De Piffle spelt it out before he was ill.

I don’t see any particular change inhim, other than that he seems more tired. Still the lying self-serving wastrel he always was.

The “rule of six” – does it include babes in arms?

In a household of seven? – does someone have to be exiled?

it bain’t be clear to me at all, at all.

To the first, yes. To the second, no. Single family units are exempted from the limit (but of course, a family of 6 or more can’t meet up with anyone as as a family unit, full stop).

Thank you for that clarification. I’ve another question which I’m going to post above now.

It’s part of the depopulation plan. More planned parenthood. Smaller families.

Watch these doctors it’s all a massive crime https://youtu.be/l5YJhwJCS2o

It is all starting to unravel now. All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force. George Orwell

As Abraham Lincoln didnt say (false attribution)
You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time

i also like
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on

most pertinent

“Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies” Christine McVie. with a little help from Stevie Nicks.

But these are enormous clanging whoppers.

So Sir Charles Walker seems like he is one of the few MPs who are sound on this issue. Do we know any others? Toby, perhaps we could have a list of the known sceptics among our MPs so we can lobby them to organise into an effective opposition against the monomaniacs running our government?

Steve Baker, John Redwood, Desmond Swayne, Graham Brady, David Davis, Christopher Chope, Robert Courts, Robert Syms, Edward Leigh have all made some dissenting noises, though they are by no means all proper sceptics, at least publicly

Good list, thank you. We should add more who we think might be on our side. I hold cautious optimism for our local MP Theresa Villiers as well. The ERG may be a good source of “sensibles” on this matter.

If the ERG members are to be considered sensible, we really are lost!

Listen To The Scientists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhBy2zy-Evo

Democrats say that President Trump needs to “listen to the scientists.” And when he does, they attack him for listening to the scientists.

The Democrats also say that they will contest the election results even if Trump wins by a landslide. You could win all the Electoral votes and they still wouldn’t concede defeat.

08.30 BBC R4 Today
Grant Schapps admits the technology for johnsons moonshine scheme does not yet exist.

the interview with David Spiegelhalter after ended with the interviewer suggesting “More Mars shot than Moonshot?” David replied “your comment!”

after watching Boris and his depressing performance showing a sharp uptick in cases among young people someone suggested this was down to the Eatout/helpout in KFC,McD and Nandos mainly frequented by younger people. If so, the Government themselves are responsible for the uptick.

They wanted an uptick. They prayed for an uptick. By hook or by crook.

They engineered one!

My first post.

There is a big issue with the Fat Controller’s “moon shot” idea of mass testing.

If you are seeking to determine whether someone is clean every day, then to be sure and “safe” you will need a very sensitive test. That means that it will be inevitable that it will pick up false positives. So let’s be generous and say we have a false positive rate of 0.1% (which is lower than current PCR swab test). Say we test 30 million people each day, Gov aim is ultimately everyone, but let’s say half for now. 0.1% of 30 million is 300000. That is 300000 people with a false positive that would have to self isolate for 14 days. Say they each have had 10 recent close contacts on average, that will then be a further 3,000,000 people who will be told to isolate through T&T. So every day you will have circa, at least, 3,000,000 people self isolating (and potentially worried and stressed) – for no reason .

They have clearly not thought it through, and as I keep saying, it reinforces the view that our Gov. are bumbling and dangerous idiots. Or alternatively they are very devious and clever at finding more ways of control. Take your pick. Either way, we need regime change.

Do they think anything through?

Ha ha good point!

You make a good point but are a factor of 10 out. 0.1% of 30 million is 30,000 and not 300,000

Well spotted.

I’d love to see Dido Harding trying to organise test and trace for 30,000 people every day!?!?

As I have stated earlier, regardless of the logistics, covid is NOT exceptional so exceptional measures are not called for

I’m surprised you’ve only got two thumbs up (that I can see anyway) – I’ve already been quoting you.

20 now!

Devious and clever!

Welcome by the way. Great first post!

“The rule of six”. I can’t arrange to meet up with six friends in a pub. But I can go in to a put with six people already in it. Is that correct?

Yes. The aim of the legislation is to stop groups of people being close to each other. They may talk and become sceptical otherwise

The only limit on the total number of people in a pub are the capacity limits, guided by the “Covid safe” voodoo “rules”. You can’t have more than six at a table, but the pub can have as many tables of 6 as it can fit in.

Thanks once more for that clarification. I was in a small little bar the other day. At one point there were nine of us in the bar – four different groups (if I can call myself a “group) – sat at four different tables.

If only six people at most can be sat round a table the limit of no more than six people who know each other meeting in a pub seems pointless – they’d have to be socially distanced (dread term) anyway,.

It is pointless.

Do you recall, the ‘deal’ with mandatory masking was that ‘restrictions could be eased’. Restrictions are now screwed tight shut again and, guess what? Still need masks? Who’da thowt it eh?

Unless you are playing sports…then you can meet 30 of your mates to play a rugby game but no pub after..that is illegal..The sheer fucking stupidity boggles the mind

Boggling the mind is all part of the psych ops game intended to distract us from their crimes.

And inspires some people to spend countless, useless hours trying to figure out what it’s all about.

30 is just 5 groups of 6 – you’d never get all 30 round one table anyway!

Regardless of the modelling deficiencies Ferguson shouldn’t be given a platform anywhere. He broke the lockdown. If the person who, in theory, knew better than anyone else the risks involved didn’t think they were that worth bothering about what does that tell you? Even if you’re a lockdown zealot he should still be persona non grata.

In the US Nancy Pelosi broke the lockdown too, what is she like 79,80? yet it revealed a new doctrine, presumably it will come in over here with MP’s soon: anyone who breaks the lockdown, it’s not down to them… it’s Donald Trump’s fault.

There was a great film with Ida Lupino in the 50s. I think she killed her husband by locking the garage door while the car motor was still running. During her court scene she declared ‘the doors made me do it’.

Anyone else find today’s update one of the most optimistic so far? Genuinely feeling a bit more positive. Clare’s piece, the JCorbyn supporter, all really good. And that picture of Whitty studying the graph upside down always makes me laugh out load

“In an instant masks were off, with a visible sigh of relief from all”

How soft are people really? Well done to that gentleman for brining his friends into the light. However, when people are couching their entire view of what is the biggest power grab we’ve ever seen in peace time in terms of not wanting to upset the host then we are in some dark waters.

While I feel we urgently need a restoration of values such as freedom and self accountability, we have to somehow give the confidence to people to express their true feelings. Without fear, whether that is fear is of social disapproval or state punishment.

True freedom of speech needs to be defended with an almost fanatical mindset. That means you defend those you do not agree with to say whatever they want. It is the space of debate that needs reingfenced so it cannot be corrupted by the mob.

The last 6 months have really brought that into perspective for me.

in peace time

People keep making that qualification, but to me, it seems that this is bigger than a world war. At least in war, if your side wins you know you can go back to normal. Our situation seems far worse. I think our lives as we knew them are over.

I think our lives as we knew them are over.

I think you’re wrong Barney, and bad for morale to boot.

They are testing your will to resist and return to normal. They are trying to break you. They are torturers. They are anti-human technocrats. Do not let them win.

I think Boris Johnson can now officially be diagnosed as insane.
Moonshot is beyond absurd and completely unaffordable, even if he can save himself the similar annual outlay for the likely ineffective, dangerous and for most people absolutely useless anyway vaccines.

Given the recent resurfacing of the ‘R number’, and this lunatic term – I propose MoRonshot.

At least people will finally see what an idiot he is. Make more confusing rules, more ludicrous comments like this, more people will start ignoring these and go back to “normal”.

I wonder if the Covid marshals (Collaborators) work over Christmas, will they be paid double or treble time or just the standard rate of 30 pieces of Silver?

The Corbynista postdoctoral molecular neuroscientist makes the standard and tragic error of ignoring the most important resource of all, human ingenuity. Watt’s condenser increased efficiency hugely (as did Bateman and Sherratt’s but that another story). Our contribution to Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution more than offset our other manifold sins and wickedness. Millions were being raised out of abject poverty until this madness aflicted the world. As ever the poor suffer to satisfy the whims of the wealthy first world.

Most people would struggle to generate more than 1 kWh (100 Watts for 10 hours, try keeping a tungsten bulb alight with a bicycle generator) from a day’s hard physical work for which we complain about having to spend 15p.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLK0r6Ha5sM
New York Post Lockdown “A Big Mistake”

Covid Marshall = Black Shirts

I note that Toby is still rabbiting on about the total irrelevance of Ferguson’s code – despite the fact that there are hundreds of models that produce the exact SAME result.

DEAR TOBY: It’s got F— All to do with the code. It’s the initial assumptions that are used in the m odel.

Now, if he really, really wants to support his belief that the lockdown was not effective he might want to dig out some evidence. For example this from the Royal Society (Aug 24th):

https://royalsociety.org/-/media/policy/projects/set-c/set-covid-19-R-estimates.pdf

See Page 49 (Fig b). The Royal Society’s estimate of the Reproduction Number (R) is approaching 1 before March 23rd and the trajectory of the curve is unaltered the lockdown.

I think if Ferguson were to do the decent thing and shut up and stop trying to justify his idiotic predictions despite the actual, real world evidence that they were just so much uninformed bullshit (regardless of the sophistication or otherwise of the maths behind them) then we would all, including Toby, cheerfully ignore him and pretend he didn’t exist.

Except Ferguson is never going to admit he was wrong. He will just say, as so many others do, that it was because we had a lockdown that so many lives were saved. If we’d locked down sooner, we’d have saved more lives. It’s not his computer model that was wrong, it’s the real world not matching up with his prediction…

Well, much as I would like to see the man pilloried in public, I’ll settle, as I say, for him just shutting up and going away. The evidence of his failure is in front of our eyes, the fact that he continues to try to justify himself is ridiculous. He doesn’t have to admit he was wrong, he just has to stop pretending he was right.

Tbh it’s not a surprise that such a man should go to his grave refusing to stop claiming he was actually correct on something vital and consequential (see Blair and other WMD obsessives, especially in the US, on Iraq). The problem is that media, politicians and other scientists still seem to be willing to take him seriously and give him platforms, without any proper challenge.

His prediction in the event of a lockdown were pretty near the mark. I’m sceptical of the results of the alternative scenarios but I still say that’s due to the assumptions made – particularly those relating to homogeneity.

But, in his defence, most of his assumptions were based on knowledge at the time and, even now, we can’t pin down the level of ‘prior’ immunity with any certainty.

Well, they may have been ONE plausible set of assumptions at the time, but they are no longer plausible, yet he sticks to them and claims he saved hundreds of thousands of lives, despite much evidence to the contrary

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

As I’ve said before, the whole thing serves to demonstrate the uselessness of computer modelling. It is true to say that Ferguson’s work was based on the data available at the time (although it ignored other, plausible, less alarmist data), but that being the case it should not have been presented as anything other than guesswork.

His model’s predictions for Sweden were 20 times higher than reality – in keeping with his historical record

Hysterical record.

most of his assumptions were based on knowledge at the time

Bullshit. At the time Michael Levitt wrote to him and suggested that according to the data already available from Wuhan and other places he suspected he was out by a factor of 10, but Ferguson ignored him… and lo and behold he was out by a factor of 10.

Ignoring real world evidence when doing mathematical modelling is bad science, doing so when it leads to hugely damaging public policy is unethical to the point of actively malicious.

If he was a GMC-registered doctor I’d be agitating for him to be struck off, he has done far more damage than Andrew Wakefield could even dream about. But there’s no professional recourse or accountability for academics – that is precisely one of the big problems here.

Your suggestion that Wakefield dreams about damaging people is offensive.
If people aren’t keen on anti-vaxx material here, they should have the grace and good manners not to make remarks such as this.

There are valid discussions to be had about vaccine safety. On the other hand, Wakefield’s research was found to be wilfully fraudulent and unethical and he was rightly punished by the GMC.

Bollox on stilts. You sound unaware of the cdc whistleblower Thompson ? There are ‘valid’ discussions to be had on Wakefield’s integrity, methods, and correctness too. As for the GMC …

But you are missing my point. If you throw nasturtiums here, and people who have the cheek to disagree with you respond, it is us who will get pilloried by people nervous about aligning themselves with anti-vaxxers.

Perhaps this isn’t the place ?

Imperial College received funds from the Gates Foundation. That’s all you need to know. Ferguson was just following orders. Where have we heard that before?

I do think the code is a bit of a red herring, but I think it’s a bit of both. The initial assumptions are the main problem but I believe there is also a fundamental issue with using predictive modelling to drive public policy. Certainly a policy that has such huge implications on society.

Hmm – Yes & No. Policy makers need to have some idea of the worst possible scenario (among others).

In truth, a ball park figure can be obtained without a complex model. e.g.

1/ Assume all population are susceptible
2/ Assume each individual has same probability of contracting & spreading virus.
3/ Assume R0=2.5
4/ Assume Fatality Rate = 0.9%

UK population = 67 million
If R0 = 2.5 then Herd Immunity reached at 60% infected. Given HI occurs during pandemic a further 20% will be infected during the decline.

Total infected = 80% x 67 = ~54 million

No. of Deaths = 0.9% x 54 = ~490k

Crude but it shows the potential scale. You can now work to bring those numbers down using further research, observations, etc.

I’m still not sure Ferguson’s total infected numbers are that far out but the geographical spread of the population slows the rate of infection.

How many respiratory infections, historically, have achieved the total number of infections suggested by the kind of straight SIR model you describe?

How plausible was the 60% infected figure?

How plausible was the IFR figure (not what were the estimates of it at the time, but what would an epidemic disease generally be expected to end up at if those were the estimates of ifr/cfr in the early stages?

Why was it assumed that a new coronavirus would not be subject to a degree of existing immunity, when that phenomenon appears to be well known with flus and colds?

If the numbers had been put forward in honest contexts so it could be clearly seen just how much guesswork was involved and how many alternative low end outcomes were equally or much more likely, then I don’t believe for a second that we would have seen anything like the widespread panic response that we did see. Using worst case assumptions has its place, but especially when you use multiplicative worst case assumptions for your modelling you need to be very clear that the results are likely to be grossly, gratuitously alarmist.

And sure enough, so it came to pass.

Mayo, all your posts are anti-LS. WHY????

I could suggest several reasons …

This is the third evening running that Mayo has generated a very long thread of earnest responses to his/her arguments.

That strikes me as very successful troll behaviour.
Don’t feed the trolls.

Royal Society – bankrolled by the Wellcome Trust and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

Try linking to an independent source that is not compromised and I may take it more seriously.

These are also the people behind DELVE and their infamous report on masks used to justify the present policy. (DELVE’s full name is The Royal Society’s “Data Evaluation and Learning for Viral Epidemics”) – note – data evaluation, no medical type people involved. has been covered in full a few times in the comments on this site in the past month.

Can you give links to “the hundreds of models that produce the exact same result” please?

I can’t find any unless the result you are looking for is commonly called “garbage” as in garbage in, garbage out.

As to the R number CMO Chris Whitty stated openly in a videoed parliamentary hearing “If you look at the R, and the behaviours, quite a lot of the change that led to the R going below one occurred well before, or to some extent before, the 23rd, when the full lockdown started.” and has NEVER been challenged by MPs, Parliamentary Committees or the MSM in any way, shape or form.

It’s about the only thing he has said in months that has a ring of truth to it.

You’re at it again. The whole concept of the ‘R’ number is discredited by the revelation (known all along by immunologists but not modellers) that the immune system is dynamic, and infection isn’t binary. The ‘R’ number is a concept derived from a toy model, not the other way round. It has very little to do with reality. If you are going to quote the ‘R’ concept, tell us your definition of ‘infection’. Yesterday you denied that you equated ‘infection’ with antibodies. OK. Tell us your definition today.

The 1922 Committee had better do a bit more than talk, bombast, bluff and bluster and start making things happen visibly and undeniably.

“In the background” or “behind the scenes” means absolutely nothing.

If testing is one answer (it’s not reliable) you would have to mass test the population often. Those with daily contact and face to face would have to be tested daily, those taking other measure’s would have to be weekly and results would have to be rapid (in both cases).

The present system is chaotic and not fit for purpose. The system proposed above is impossible as the capacity, lack of a fast test and infrastructure is and never will be available.

So what do we do, we of course live with the virus as we do with all other types of illness.

Mass testing MIGHT be a proportionate and cost effective response to a much more deadly disease, but this one isn’t especially more deadly than bad flu, and it’s pretty well known that it affects badly quite specific groups

It’s not an exceptional public health threat so exceptional measures not appropriate

Ministers announce new grants for businesses affected by local lockdowns

Businesses in England that are required to shut because of local interventions will now be able to claim up to £1,500 per property every three weeks.

From a selfish point of view, how about the same for travel and tourism businesses that cannot operate due to restrictions and measures in place?

Where is all this grant money coming from? My council tax going to £10k a quarter?!

And where is this magic money tree that the government appears to have, and can I have one??

Same tree that the £100 Billion testing will come from, I believe it is in Sherwood Forest somewhere.

If you’re talking about the Major Oak, it’s hollow and needs to be propped up to stop it toppling.

Israel: locking down strict and early, mandating masks from the start and tracking, tracing and cracking down on citizens efficiently.
Result: ruin and the biggest Coronavirus infection surge of all.
Conclusion: if there is a relationship between lockdowns and virus infections, it’s inverse.
And the same is true for masks.
But then, maybe that surge in infections was and is the real goal of all politicians outside of Sweden. For whatever reason.
https://jordanschachtel.substack.com/p/the-worlds-most-intrusive-contact

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/313310/signatures/new
Repeal the coronavirus act

Signed, for what it’s worth.

However, the issue at hand isn’t really about repealing the act, it’s about ensuring that it isn’t extended at the end of this month.

Signed. Though agree with Matt, for all the good it will do. Just feel so bloody helpless right now.

Signed

At the begining the joke was about enjoying your free trial of 21 days of Communism . Personally now we are into our 7 th month of this sham medical totalitarian state the joke has turned rather sour.

Yesterday was an early morning visit to the barber as despite my senior medical status I still have my own hair …and teeth unlike Whitty and Vallance.The barber told me the rules had been changed and did I have a mask …. I really couldnt be bothered to say I am exempt or that I don’t wear one because I follow evidence based medicine. I just said no .

He searched around and I thought he was going to offer me his own !! Instead he decided to swiftly close the door so no snitch could see. I felt I was in some war movie in occupied France. It is nuts.

“ At the begining the joke was about enjoying your free trial of 21 days of Communism . Personally now we are into our 7 th month of this sham medical totalitarian state”

Did someone in government forget to cancel the direct debt again?

We need a new satirical version of Allo Allo.

We already have a Lieutenant Gruber

Haha maybe… if only to see how many are triggered by a character called, ‘Mimi LaBonq’

I’m probably late to the party, but here’s your Covipass, right here:

And he said that “in the near future” he wanted to start using testing “to identify people who are negative – who don’t have coronavirus and who are not infectious – so we can allow them to behave in a more normal way, in the knowledge they cannot infect anyone else”.

Or, as we used to say, “Papers, please?”

The current YouyGov poll makes for some depressing reading.

It seems like the majority support the new 6 person rules, would support a curfew and think the most important thing is to save EVERY life.

Hard to believe

They think saving every life from Covid is important. Deaths from cancer, suicide, economic depression, etc. they don’t seem too bothered about.

Painful to believe, but not hard. As someone said, stupidity is more prevalent than hydrogen, and they are out there. They still think we will all die without a magic vaccine. And because so many believe that so strongly, this government can, and will, do what it likes.

How many supported communism in the USSR, as opposed to just going along with it? And then, when it failed to deliver, it collapsed, although the decade long aftermath in Russia was likely worse. I think we are headed for a Russia-style collapse. And one phrase I have come across in relation to that decade-long event – not surprising given the economic advice of people like Dr Jeffrey Sachs – is, “hidden famine.”

Yes the Yahoo poll was 76 / 24 in favour of these new measures. Extraordinary. We have work to do. At least it’s better than it was, at the start 95% or so supported lockdown. Nuts!

What was the exact question and how was the question shaped? Polling tricks. And who did they poll? Here, in Quebec, it’s almost always 1006 people. Is that a magic number?

as mentioned elsewhere the yougov poll is unscientific – you can complete it without login etc. i did it yesterday and today. so it is simple to influence with bots or lots of squaddies . But clearly from your response it then seems to have an element of veracity even if it is bullshit

Never believe a Yougov poll any more than a statement from Christopher Whitty.

The pole results are not so depressing when you consider the very biased question:

“ Would you support or oppose the introduction of a curfew (a time each day after which people are not allowed to leave their homes) between 10pm and 5am to help prevent a second wave of COVID-19?”

The question presents as fact that:

1. A second wave of deaths is coming
2. A curfew will help prevent this

If those two were facts, then I would perhaps vote to support it, but the question should be:

“ Would you support or oppose the introduction of a curfew (a fundamental breach of basic human rights) between 10pm and 5am when it will make no difference to anyone’s health but it will make Matt Hancock look like he is in control of the situation?”

Put in that way I think the poll would produce very different answers.

Hello Richard, is Private Eye all over this, haven’t read it for a few years now?

I’ve heard depressing reports about Private Eye recently.

“here we still are, in Sept, threats of lockdowns, Maskism, MSM still pumping out fear, claiming asymptomatic (poss false) positive tests ‘cases’, no context etc etc. With the democratic process shut down (and/or locked in orthodoxy) and Govt ruling by capricious diktat, backed by the Police and prosecutors, our judiciary silent and anyone who asks reasonable questions about the proportionality of NPIs (let alone wants to protest) closed down”

Tell me it’s any different in the majority of other countries. It’s not just this government. We saw the photo of the Spanish lifeguard being arrested by a couple of police in full protective clothing, as if she had Ebola or something.

“here we are, months later, about to witness the collapse of many Western economies and plunge millions in this country alone into relative poverty and allow hundreds of millions to succumb to starvation and medical abandonment in the developing world. I do wonder why the Left has just allowed this nonsense to grip when this was known to be the inevitable outcome back in April”

The worst offenders across the world are left-wing governments. Just look at Democrat-run California, Jacinda Ardern’s New Zealand, Victoria in Australia which is not run by a conservative PM.
It seems to me that these measures are being imposed by governments in line with the revolutionary Marxist-run WHO, the socialist-dominated UN, which is also in thrall to climate change nonsense.
Our government tolerates BLM and XR protests, but not those who oppose them, or those who protest against illegal immigration.

Toby doesn’t think it’s a conspiracy.
But lets face it, when it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck….

Keep pestering Toby. He will give in eventually. Try different angles. There are many ways the conspiracy thing can be explained and some are less controversial than others.

There seems to be a rule for mainstream media journalists that you can’t mention anything / or agree with anyone that Wikipedia links with conspiracy theories or calls anti-vaxx. It’s like a CIA control mechanism. Would a mainstream journalist (who all loved Robert F Kennedy Junior when he was involved with the green movement) write anything but a hack piece today? No mainstream journalist will dare go near Agenda 21 or 30, ID2020 or the Great Reset – all public knowledge but unquestionable.

Sweden is a social democracy and has been very grown up about it. While we have a populist right wing government but they have gone mad. Yes, the Left love the opportunity to demonstrate the interventionist power of the state in the name of the collective, but it’s not wholly consistent. Southern US states perhaps most predictable in their approach.

“ we have a populist right wing government “

LOL!

Need to examine closely your beliefs about what constitutes “right wing”, clearly, if not just supporting but almost worshipping collective state healthcare, condoning police “taking the knee” to radical leftist and anti-white racist anarchist mobs while funding endless “diversity awareness” indoctrination and supporting “hate speech” censorship is your idea of “right wing” then your ideas are pretty far removed from any kind of realistic perspective.

“Populist” of course is generally used as a term of abuse, but in practice usually just means “sensible ideas that the left hates”.

I don’t see much right wing about the Conservatives. They certainly favour big business – particularly large multinationals. They seem very keen on the nanny state and petty rules which they always criticise when they aren’t in power. They broadly support BLM and the Green movement and completely demonise anti-lock down freedom protests.

Funnily enough they always promise a bonfire of regulations and simplification of the tax system – but it always seems like a continuation of the work going on over decades – like there is a controlling hand.

Important to bear in mind that there is absolutely nothing right wing about supporting big business these days, because much of big business and big money is in the hands of more or less openly left wing management and ownership. As Toby and Delingpole point out in their latest podcast , BLM and XR are not rebels against an oppressive establishment, they are the establishment’s shock troops.

True. Look at the US, in general terms, a lot of the big companies, certainly all of big tech: lot of love for the Democrats. Wealthiest Congressional districts (currently, probably not in the ensuing few months) something like 80%, 40/50: Democrat.

Boris and his inner circle either are, or have been, infiltrated by neo-Marxists. At some point the Tory party via the 1922 Committee will realise this and get rid of them. Mid October is the key turning point in my view, although that might not be completely evident until the end of the year. Boris will not be in place on 1 January 2021.

I think it will happen sooner. But prepare for Olympic level gymnastics in double speak

We might have a Happy New Year after all.

I cant say whether it’s right or left wing. Taken to extreme they are both totalitarian which is what we’ve got. We need a new word for full-on dictatorship without the “right/left” connotations which only work at local level. This is a globalist plot which is being masterminded by a few. A psychopathocracy.

I’ve seen the word ‘technocracy’ cropping up in a few places.

It looked suspiciously like a war against the people around the world from day one. No one in the mainstream media will ever acknowledge any of the so called ‘conspiracies’ because they are fully complicit in promoting the ‘new normal’ and the ‘new green deal’ and all the other scams. Watch the mainstream media coverage of the Australian anti-lockdown protests verses the reality on the ground https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yxOCq1C2os we are being completely lied to.

It is the Great Reset they even admit it! what more do people want as evidence.

It’s a duck!

However, he started a sentence with “I’m not a conspiracy theorist but… ”
A good sign!

I’ve got this suspicion that this is a typical con and BS from Bojo and his school prefects ( cabinet)
Frighten the people,bring in stupid,useless and damaging measures then “Surprise, surprise” around the end of October he announces that “because of the measures we have taken, etc,etc I can announce that we can ease down the lockdown measures, etc in time for Christmas”
The people (he hopes) will spill out onto the streets singing “Good old Boris,etc” and he will have conned everyone with obvious exceptions(lockdown sceptics) again just as he did last December.

No chance. Full lockdown coming. Planned all along.

But will the people,not the sheep, stand for it?
When the Daily Mail questions the actions of a Conservative(BOJO) government,surely there must be hope.

The tipping point could be when the furlough payments dry up. The gov know that though.

They won’t dry up, there is no way they will be able to keep up this controlling agenda with millions of unemployed people taking to the streets.

If they can find £100bn for their “Moonshot” program from the magic money tree, they can magic up more cash to keep people from rioting from job losses.

The DM is not consistently questioning, their editorial line is wobbling but judging by their awful headline yesterday blaming Gen Z for all this, I suspect they have a way to go before they stand against it all. Recall that much of the media loves a good catastrophe.

I believe The Times is the paper that matters the most to those in power between elections. The Conservative only try to appeal to Daily Mail and Telegraph readers coming up to an election, other than that they ignore them.

The Times today was incredibly pro-establishment and Big Pharma – and scathing of the anti-lockdown movement in a leading opinion piece. There is absolutely no hope from The Times.

Christmas will be the pinch-point. Kids coming back from Uni, families getting together, etc. We will find out then which way the government will go but I haven’t seen anything over the last few months to give me any sense of optimism.

Nope, Wancock wants to cancel Christmas too much. Think how sad and sorry he can look whilst explaining that it’s essential to keep us all safe.

Get writing to your MPs. I’ve pasted below the e-mail I plan to send. Feel free to use it as inspiration and/or to suggest improvements:

—

Dear [my MP],

As my MP, I am writing to ask you to vote against the renewal of powers afforded to the government under the Coronavirus Act, if and when you get the opportunity to do so later this month. I well understand that the novel coronavirus presents a significant health risk to vulnerable people, but that risk has to be understood in the context of the risks inherent in living a normal life, and of the deleterious effects of this act.

You don’t need me to tell you that the powers afforded to the government under this act represent an extraordinary incursion into our fundamental freedoms, impinging on our rights to liberty, family life, religious practice and political association, at least (articles 5, 8, 9 and 11 of the Human Rights Act 1998). Moreover, in the period that this legislation has been in force the laws governing us have repeatedly been made and changed by ministerial decree, with barely any parliamentary scrutiny except on a retrospective basis. This is not a situation that should persist in a supposedly free country. The civil liberties advocacy group Liberty is taking the same view .

The original rationale for the act was that it was needed to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed. Whatever the merits of this reasoning at the time, it does not apply now: the government’s own data show that deaths, hospital admissions, bed occupancy and ventilator usage have all tailed off dramatically and not picked up in any significant sense with the relaxation of lockdown measures. The recent fixation on a supposed increase in “cases” is just the latest example during this epidemic of the goalposts being moved. What conclusions should anyone be drawing from this “increase” when there has been a relentless increase in the number of tests carried out? And when, according to both SAGE and PHE , even a relatively small number of false positives can produce a statistically significant effect when the prevalence of the virus is as low as it is now?

But in fact, there is very good reason to believe that the measures were unnecessary in the first place. Again, according to the government’s own data , COVID-19 deaths in the UK peaked on 8 April. Given that multiple studies have shown the mean time from infection to death to be around three weeks, this means that new infections peaked at least a week before the Prime Minister’s speech of 23 March. In other words, the R number was brought below 1 without the need for the measures contained in this act, and in fact without the need for any coercive measures at all. The Chief Medical Officer for England admitted as much in evidence to the Health and Social Care Committee on 21 July. The conclusion is unavoidable that the virus can be kept under control without the need for the powers contained in this act. Given how objectionable the act is on its own terms, this is what should be done.

Your sincerely,
[me]

I’ve just emailed mine with something similar and I’m telling all my friends and family to do do as well. Everybody I know is well and truly fucked off with it all.

I’ve just emailed mine. Tried to appeal to her Labour sensibilities regarding mental health, other NHS services, education and restrictions to religious festivals. Advocated a “more appropriate and holistic strategy with cross-party input”. Hope it works and we don’t get stuck with something even worse.

Brilliant, many thanks. I’m going to email it now and put the template on my FB page.

You’re welcome.

Great content, but could I make one suggestion. Considering they are likely to skim over most if not all correspondence, and thus likely to miss crucial aspects of your argument, possibly consider putting the salient points as bullet points at the very beginning of the document and keep the rest as it is should they want further detail. Aim to engage their attention from the onset.

Thanks.

Yes – I put in the subject box of my email “Coronavirus Act 2020 – Do Not Renew”. And the first and last sentences of my email text were direct requests that the Act should not be renewed.

Many thanks. Have done so and added a final paragraph outling the personal catastrophe this has caused to my livelihood and industry (opera, concerts, performing arts).

Why is no one in the medical profession shouting from the rooftops – forget spending billions on pointless daily tests on the healthy( since when was it a sensible thing to do this?!). Spend the money and resources on clearing up The backlog of cancer, cardiac and other actual medical cases- which present CURRENT serious risk of deaths. How can wancock say he’s interested in ‘keeping people safe’ with a straight face. Odious man, drunk on his own power and with zero humanity or empathy. My 80 year old mother( a ‘granny’) is livid at his comments. The whole charade makes me feel physically sick. The public should be enraged. I almost feel like an alien in my own country now. Simply don’t recognise it.

Also to advertise to all that they should work on improving their immunity systems (prevention is better than cure)

Exactly…constantly referring to “symptoms of the disease” reinforces a false mindset. Most “symptoms” are symptoms of the body fighting back and, in 99% of cases, our bodies fight back very successfully. We are nearly all of us walking miracles (laboratories on legs) when it comes to our ability to deal with a huge range of pathogens, of all types.

Why? General cowardice, PC herd behaviour and censorship by BBC, Sky, ITV, and Global News account for the apparent silence.

As a senior medical professional I take a little offence at that . The main reason is fear. You and I might not be a paid up member of the new cult with its promise of heaven and hell and associated rituals for the true believers , but I can assure you 75 % of the population are from my conversations with patients.

Any scepticism on my part has to be done very carefully because I fear being denounced on social media by a patient.. ” granny killer doctor fails to wear rubber gloves in consultation ” , or one of the supreme guardians of the cult the pratice staff.

I understand your predicament but I think the Royal College Knights and Dames could speak up much more: shout it from the highest hills, one might say.

What I personally would like to see more of would be the names of ‘senior NHS management’ responsible for mandating most of the nonsense.

That’s part of The Global Reset.

It’s extremely worrying that Mad Prof Ferguson who with his fantasy figures was responsible for persuading the government to introduce the initial death-dealing lockdown, now is smiling upon the latest policy turn by Bozo and Co.

It’s further concerning that the BBC is reporting this in triumphalist tones. And it’s also very, very irritating that our “trusted broadcaster” never reminds us that the Mad Prof broke the social distancing rules multiple times to go shag his bit on the side. They are always happy to remind us of Dominic Cummings’ alleged misdemeanours in relation to social distancing.

Given his track record, if Ferguson thinks it is right it is almost certainly wrong.

News from the US

Doctors’ group: HCQ-hoarding FDA cares more about power than Americans’ lives
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-09-09-hcq-hoarding-fda-cares-more-about-power.html

Can I claim ignorance of the new rules on the basis that I’m a Guardian reader – which doesn’t appear to think these drastic new curtailments on civil liberties are newsworthy?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk

No, but you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself for being a Guardian reader.

Actually I stopped reading that a long time ago, just had a look out of curiosity.

Unbelievable.it wasn’t even a minor headline.

I wonder if at least some of the Moonshot tech does exist but it’s just being held for optimum timing. So come November, Poppycock can threaten to cancel Christmas if an ‘enrolment target’ isn’t met. As others have suggested before, they may have planned this for a vaccine but with phase 3 trials going pear-shaped they’ve had to dial back to just the IDs.

The Coronavirus doesn’t fulfill any of the established criteria for the usefulness, need and acceptability of a vaccine.
The virus mutates, any vaccine will be ineffective.
The virus can’t be eradicated, as it will still always be around in animals.
The mortality risk is skewed to a small group, and this is basically equal to the general mortality risk and profile.
It therefore makes absolutely no sense for anyone under the age of roughly 70 to consider getting vaccinated in light of that vaccination’s huge risks (as demonstrated by and in all of their trials sofar) – unless one demands and considers it to be a price to be paid for establishing herd immunity and establishes, quantifies and raises that price through discrimination or sanctions of those who refuse.
Vaccinating children is criminal in light of them being not statistically significant affected (risk of death similar to being struck by lightning) and in light of these vaccination risks, which cannot even be assessed properly because of the rushed development of all those vaccines.
And mRNA, DNA and vector vaccines main long term and impossible to assess or rule out, for at least another 25 years, risk through reverse transciptase seems to be oncologic, an increased risk of cancer, but they should also never be allowed to be given to anyone still capable or willing to reproduce:
we simply don’t know whether the DNA of the offspring of a herewith vaccinated person will be altered or not, and whether that will have positive or negative effects.
Everything is imaginable here, e.g. maybe those future newborns will all be Supermen and Superwomen, maybe there is no change at all, maybe they will all die immediately/upon contact with a coronavirus, maybe only two mRNA vaccinated parents will have healthy children, maybe parents must have had a mix of vaccines for that, and so on.
In light of our lack of and impossible to establish for another 10-25 years knowledge in those regards, the odds for each scenario, the positive, neutral and negative one, are currently the same: 33% each.
Why risk that, if the neutral outcome is the guaranteed one anyway for those age groups?!
It’s really high time, in particular for parents and adolescents, to wake up and demand a halt to this criminal madness.

Good post Jay. Anyone who hasn’t yet responded to the consultation needs to do so – and keep a copy of what you submit!

Don’t read the Times article by David Aaronovitch today. I get the impression he would like anyone who doesn’t get the Covid vaccine immediately to be imprisoned in their home or preferably sent to a detention camp.

Questioning anything the government or Big Pharma tells us is soon to become illegal. Apparently we are incapable of making calculated decisions regarding risks / benefits for ourselves anymore. Really annoys me that the civil service thinks they can govern every aspect of our lives and the media meekly go along with every step.

Aaronovitch is an establishment shill, pure and simple.

If all viruses mutate then producing a vaccine is a complete waste of time and money that could be better spent elsewhere.

Mandatory crawling: if it saves one life it will be worth it.

Well in Japan there is a lot of bowing and they’ve done pretty well so maybe there’s something in it?

Lol!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq7pxUgjLz0

The Limbo Rock-‘how low can you go?’

I would love to see Boris and his minions do The Limbo Rock. On national TV. That would knock them off their high horses a peg.

How appropriate that the next piece of lunacy is being dubbed by its proponents as “Moonshot” – although Moonshine would be even better. Bozo has clearly lost his marbles. £100 billion to test well people all backed up by a gargantuan bureaucracy?

Lunatism is the new Conservatism.

Except until Handjob allows it, well people absolutely must NOT have tests because we’re running out of tests and it’s all their fault for having tests like he asked them to last week because he didn’t think that lots of people having tests would use up test kits, and if they continue to have tests they’re KILLING GRANNY… But as soon as he says so it will be compulsory for well people to have a test or they won’t be allowed to leave their house, and if they don’t have a test they’re KILLING GRANNY. Got it?

Yes, it’s utter bollox!

From the post above:

‘ Like many others, I thought that the propaganda wouldn’t survive contact with the bright daylight of facts (and the v obvious shifting of Govt ‘strategy’).’

I thought the same! To be honest, and no disrespect, but I had hoped that by now I wouldn’t be looking on the Lockdown Sceptics website anymore since I thought that common sense would prevail and that there’d be no need for this website! How wrong I was!

I don’t know if it’s because I’m very tired today but I feel so despondent. We are being governed by cranks and I question Johnson’s sanity.

Please will someone get us out of this mess!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdCBwi0MMp0&list=WL&index=44&t=0s
Your Chance To Decide – Conspiracy?

Peru went into lockdown 16th March – 911 deaths per million (the highest death rate in the world after San Marino)

Brazil – no lockdown – 602 deaths per million

I’ve moved from poo-pooing conspiracy to believing it’s the only explanation for the continuing and unrelenting repression after the virus has died away to a background murmur.

What I couldn’t work out is the end game. Why? What are they after – this world cabal?

I should have been following the money. Davos. The Bilderberg Group. It’s ALWAYS the money. I think they’re doing this to get tight control of the population because of the upcoming financial crash. The trillions and trillions everybody owes everybody has to be reformed and soon. It just cannot be allowed to go ,it’s unsustainable and it’s becoming very unstable. The world financial system is broke. But what would happen whilst it is reshaped? Normal trade would cease. Billions would starve. Riots. Back to the dark ages. Civilisation effectively ends. UNLESS – unless, suddenly, there is only one world entity. Then nobody would owe anybody else, because there wouldn’t be anybody else. The ‘entity’ would have to control everything, of course. Production, food, distribution. Everything to keep the population alive. But no trade. It’s sort of Marxism, yes. It’s certainly totalitarianism, in the literal sense of the word. It’s THEM doing this for our own good. Gee – thanks. Now fuck off.

It’s also the only way I can justify things, despite all the positive data they plough on with destructive measures. It can’t just be group think.

The most powerful companies and people in the world have done very well – just look at the share prices of the Big Tech companies. Unfortunately, the poorest are suffering the most, just look at the queues for food in the US (and that is a rich country!).

Many of the most powerful and wealthiest people in the world before WW1 and WW2 emerged more powerful and wealthy at the end of it. It will be the same after WW3 (the war against the masses) – that is if we let them win.

“It’s sort of Marxism”

Not by any known definition. It is totalitarianism – Mussolini and Franco are the nearest neighbours.

Welcome to the wonderful world of being a conspiracy theory (but rapidly heading towards fact) nutter land as we are portrayed constantly and not just on this subject.

Post it on social media and wait for the howls and condemnation no matter what facts you post.

Yes, I can remember a friend of mine telling me about Davos and the WEF when this started, and I did not believe her. I thought the virus was an accidental lab escape and that was why there was the overreaction. But no, it has definitely been planned from the start and the propaganda is increasing, not dying down.
I now think the underlying reason is to restructure a collapsing global financial system

Just got a thankyou for posting the link to Ivor Cummins latest on fb.

Liberty petition

https://liberty.e-activist.com/page/63681/petition/1?ea.tracking.id=Website

When the left joins in something might move

Thanks. Signed.

Comments about MP’s not questioning the lockdown

Not surprised. They didn’t get where they are today by having principals. They would have been weeded out early on in the process if they had principals

What they will want to do however, is be on the winning side. So they will wait. They will sit on the sidelines smiling and attending coffee mornings with the WI, careful never to answer a question

When the final whistle blows, they will announce that they backed the winning side all along, but that we were just not astute enough to notice it

I am pretty sure our new boy Tory MP won’t rock the boat as he clearly wants to be something like Parliamentary Under Secretary for Paper Clips. Its a great pity we have a parliament dominated by professional politicians rather than by people of principle.

Likewise ours, who replaced Phillip Hammond..

1000 Doctors agree this is all a scam. Must watch and share.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5YJhwJCS2o&feature=youtu.be

Up to 90% of COVID-19 “positive” test results are false, test kits matching dead viral fragments that pose no infection risk
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-09-09-90-percent-covid19-positive-test-results-false.html

There was much noise made about a spike in deaths earlier in the week to justify the latest madness. Where is it:
1st-8th Sep daily deaths:
3,9,3,4,8,6,7,2 (total 42).
24th-31st Aug daily deaths:
5,9,10,7,4,2,3,6 (total 46)
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

Answers on a virtual postcard please…

The Gov.UK site has 32 for 8th Sept.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths

NHS England (hospitals) has 2

It would be scurrilous to suggest that the 32 spike was somehow contrived for the day before the announcements.
And there is no conclusion to be drawn from the fact the PHE has form with inflating numbers.

Quite right. The 30,000 double counted tests, the 1.3 Million double counted tests and the 5000 odd false deaths were all just ‘alternative facts’.

Where do you see 32 for the 8th? I see 3. Have they just changed it?

The 32 were spread over quite a few days, it was just ‘announced’ on the 8th.

It’s on the “Deaths within 28 days of positive test by date reported, by nation” chart.
They also have a date of death chart, with non spikey numbers. So I jumped the gun with my suspicious comments.

Perhaps you didn’t jump the gun. How strange that they managed to pick up 32 deaths to report – on the day in question. They wouldn’t have been building up a “stockpile” to suddenly release when the time was right? No, they wouldn’t do that.

Good point. I had that thought earlier but then forgot it!
In fact I then had the thought that this could be demonstrated or weakened by going back to see if there is a correlation between these “administrative spikes” and subsequent announcements.

No you were right first time.

BTW, cComparing the two graphs, totals 1st-8th Sep :
‘By date graph’ : Eng, 51, NI 6, Sco 3, Wal 0
‘By reported graph’ : Eng, 71, NI 7, Sco 5, Wal 2

Funny how PHE continually has ‘reported’ numbers which meet the govt propaganda agenda.

They make up new shit all the time. Wankers!

“Who do you think you are, the Covid bloody Stasi?”
“Well actually, yes.”

It will soon be possible to have this exchange in a British town centre.

Does anyone know if they will be armed…. no I’m not joking

We owe it to ourselves to disown – if not tar and feather – anyone we know that signs up to be one of them.

Possibly long sticks to begin with like the religious mullahs in Saudi, then once bored with whacking our ankles they may request tasers.

Once they are in place, they will be able to check lots of things, won’t they? Mandatory public masks, one way pavements, “Second shopping trip this week, sir?”, “Can I see your Covipass, please, as you know you shouldn’t be out without it” etc…

And people will bow their heads and comply..And if you don’t your friendly neighborhood armed Police officers are going to be there to support these brave Marshals if god forbid any dissent occurs. Well if you comply , you have nothing to fear the MSM will say. My parents grew up in E Europe during Communism and my father has been getting quieter and quieter as weeks progress..He has seen it before so he knows what is coming and how ti feels..

Now, that *is* worrying.

That is precisely why it should NOT be allowed to happen..

It appears that PM Johnson really approves of all this. Shameful.

If they are sent into the towns, it will be another nail in the retail sector coffin.

Throw them in a peat bog.

Listening to Peter hitchens making fun of the government rules I think we should go one further. The picture at the bottom could be printed and stuckaround the busiest places in your local area.

The falling tortoise example he gave is funny, but then so is the risk of putting on trousers. So trouser wearing should be banned (think image of people in their underwear on the metro in New York). Was it 6 people who died doing this last year?

Having a bath too is too risky. Crossing the road, wear a traffic cone on your head…

We need to laugh at all of this as it will probably be the only way to defeat them :>)

Procreation is the biggest factor contributing to death. It should be number one on the list of things to ban.

No life = No death

The crime isssss life … The ssssentence isssss deathhhhhh…

Quick get the Boing

Depopulation for the Nation.

Yeah, but they had to put on their underwear first. That could be dangerous as well. Let’s all go naked.

I attended a Rolling Stones concert at Maple Leaf Garden in 1975. It was hot and muggy before the Stones came on stage. Really humid. I casually told the young woman that it was so humid that we should all take off our clothes. She stood and socially distanced herself from me a few more seats. Later, during the concert, Mick Jagger remarked how hot and humid it was and that we should all take off our clothes and the crowd cheered and roared.

Apologies if this has already been posted – I’m just catching up with developments. Here’s an example of “covidiocy” on the part of an airline and its staff. It’s the sort of thing that makes your blood boil:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54096061

And how’s this for consultant-speak bollocks:

“Our crew requested the presence of the authorities after the guests [passengers] refused to comply with Transport Canada’s interim order and subsequently refused to deplane [leave] the aircraft.”

I hope the airline goes bust.

“Deplane the aircraft”. So, the plane was on another plane, was it? Novel.

I have a friend who suffers from psychological issues. He believes that he is a messenger of God and has been brought to earth to do his bidding. It was something that I did a little research into a while back.

I found evidence of many people around the world with a similar mindset. They have committed crimes and used something called the “Jesus made me do it” defence. The severity of acts committed range from minor misdemeanors to actual murder. The idea is that these people believe what they’ve done is justified because of some belief that it was a righteous act. To most rational minded people this is not a valid defence in any way shape or form.

When we look at what has happened and is still happening, I don’t really see much difference between killing, or letting people die, and causing untold suffering on millions of people in a belief that it is the right thing to do and the “Jesus made me do it” mindset.

Oh no, this lot can’t be allowed to get away with the insanity defence!

I was truly staggered at the level of state propaganda in the Times today, they really are fully behind the government and Big Pharma. Endless pro-establishment articles and adverts.

There was an incredibly dehumanising opinion piece on lockdown sceptics and anyone who won’t be in a rush to get a vaccine. I have a feeling anyone deemed anti-vaxx by the Times and establishment might soon be on a cattle truck and in striped pyjamas. I believe they are building up the hatred so they can act brutally against any dissent. And yet this is meant to be a free country, what a joke.

The UK governments strategy is clearly now to make life miserable for months to get everyone to have a mandatory rushed vaccine and digital vaccination passport.

So in keeping with the new religion….

”and the Lord Master Boris sayeth “ thou shall count to the number 6 and the number of the counting shall be 6. Neither shall thou count to 7 nor higher for thy numbers greater than 6 are false and evil and shall not be uttered for they Are displeasing to our Lord Master. Thy Master’s Servants of Covid, thy Marshall’s shall verily issue wrath against his people for gathering in False numbers and shall beat upon the number breakers and issue a mighty tax, for they are evil and dirty and spreaders of disease. Nor do they worship thy Master as prescribed by the Great Law and must be punished.

Thy pleasures of life are False Pleasures and those that stray from the path of True Pseudoscience must be punished under the Great Law for they are not pleasing to our Master.

Thy true believers shall follow the path of enlightenment in word and deed.

• Thou shall not touch of another person
• Thou shall not gather in celebration
• Thou shall cover thy mouth lest thy evil humours spread disease
• Thou shall not doubt of the Word of the Master nor countenance false prophets who speak Facts
• Thou shall receive thy Master’s vaccine for the risk to thy person matters not for the Greater Good.
• Thou shall carry idols of thy love for the Master with thou wherever thou go. This shall be thy Digital Passport and shall be proof positive that thou are a True Believer
• Thou shall teach thy children of the True Path and of thy Master’s love lest they stray for the True Path and indulge in False Pleasures
• Thou shall not give creedence to false positives for they are not True Facts
• Thou shall beat upon thine enemy, the Swedish, for they are not followers of the True Path and are hurtful to our Master
• Thou shall follow they Master’s faithful Servants of SAGE in all their utterances and be daily thankful to the worthy Hancock, thy Master’s true Agent of Health.
• Thou shall read the works of Ferguson and his Great Model for he is a True Prophet of our Master.

Thy Master decrees these laws for he loves thee and his wisdom and knowledge is greater than Man.

Good news, written to my MP on the same matter, we should all do the same, Boris is getting slammed in the MSM for this madness, he, Hancock, Cummings and the mad scientists need to go, dystopian society, they are a disgrace.

I really feel the government have overreached itself.Even Sky news are running critical stories now

Attempting to do the same this morning. However my wordskills are clearly lacking, compared to some of the more articulate on here.
Does anyone have a relatively neutral letter template that I could use to get the point across to my MP?

TJN posted a lovely one a couple of days ago.

I put a draft in a comment earlier. I’m open to suggestions for improvements.

Tried it a few weeks ago with copies to the 1922 committee.

nada, nothing, no reply.

This sit hat i sent:

https://1drv.ms/w/s!Agv7JEO8MngCiT1jG5oT09bcl3mk?e=bSHjXY

Perfect AG, thank you!

Forgot the links to the graphs:

https://1drv.ms/u/s!Agv7JEO8MngCiUT_JYHE9cTXpLwh?e=jfXdC9

easy enough from the letter what graph went where.

Go on holiday to Cyprus. Don’t go on holiday to Cyprus

The Cyprus government require a negative PCR test in the UK in the72 hours prior to travelling. It also requires a written declaration from the traveler that they have been free of covid symptoms for 72 hour before travel

The UK government will not give you a test unless you have symptoms

Kafka should be reclassified from fiction to modern history

Dr Clare Craig’s article today is perhaps the best article published in Lockdown Sceptics. This goes to the essential fact. PCR tests were useful at the height of the pandemic. The risk of false positive tests now is enormous. Her insistence of more viral cultures to prove infectiousness must be the cornerstone of any surveillance system. Instead of spending billion of pounds in Moonshot’s lunacy let invest less money in viral cultures that could possibly stop unnecessary school closures etc and normalize quickly.

Is there any need to test for this virus at all? Surely normal is when we only do such tests when a Dr thinks it appropriate to help treat a sick person.

Today’s Postcard from LA was a thing of beauty.

Yes, well done that guy!

10PM Curfew coming soon.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8712081/Britain-CURFEW-businesses-shuttered-10pm.html#comments

Actually a 10pm curfew wouldn’t affect me in the slightest. In bed at 10.30 and the days of late evening drinking in pubs is long gone.

Doesn’t affect you? Well that’s alright for the rest of us then isn’t it?

I don’t drink gin so ban it as it won’t affect me. OK?

Good for you, Mr. Smug.

I haven’t been out late in years, but I think that I will start off it becomes illegal

I’m just back from Greece. The talk there is that the midnight curfew is directly attributable to a slight uptick in cases as everyone is chucked out onto the street at the same time, calling cabs and fighting.

Folks, this is an important ‘intervention’, from Sir Mick Davis (senior businessman and former CEO of the Tory Party). I think he is signaling to donors. The 1922 are receiving many messages from individual members, and quite a few of us have cancelled memberships. Keep optimistic that things will get better, even if they get worse in the short-run.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/09/irrational-inconsistent-policies-succeed-breeding-fear/#comment

Hope you are right!

I see the government still thinks the Ferguson model was the appropriate counterfactual rather than real world data from Sweden.

“In May, initial modelling by Johns Hopkins University showed that almost 6,000 additional children could die per day due to disruptions due to COVID-19.” – Unicef

I had a great day yesterday ( until I saw read the latest last night ).
A nice, very relaxed lunch at a riverside pub. Complete normality, stroll up to the bar, order food, no corona bollocks, a bit of a laugh with everyone in the bar paying cash. Great.

As this were a family day out, we’d decided to ban the C word from conversation. However, in the pub garden where we sat, everyone around was talking about it, loudly and all very anti lockdown. Either I’ve discovered the secret Lockdown Sceptics hangout, or the tide has gone beyond turning?

I really hope that you’re right.

Well these may be pockets of dissent, but a few months ago, we were far fewer in number. While masks are everywhere, I believe the numbers of zealots are shrinking by the day.

“ Despite all the evidence and growing numbers, ‘we’ Sceptics seem to just to be a flea bite on the elephant.”

I think that feeling expressed by a ‘Consultant’ is common to many of us.

Seeing the egregious distortion of data and plain lying become more and more apparent from April onwards, we thought that the bleedin’ obvious would dawn more widely – particularly given the known incompetence that was the joke that Johnson called a ‘cabinet’.

But such realization didn’t dawn – despite evidence of a growing underlying scepticism (or simple lack of conviction). The compliance to utterly bogus nonsense and magical thinking was overwhelming – and the incompetents must have been popping bottles of bubbly as they decided to push the absurdity further.

This despite the fact (as outlined by ‘Sue Denim’) that epidemiological modeling, upon which so much rested, was a pseudo-science detached from real world verification.

And no – contrary to the assertion of one correspondent above – this wasn’t a ‘left/right thing’. It was across the board, with defenders of civil rights and democratic procedures very much in a minority.

As I’ve touched on before – a car journey at the weekend did raise hopes that the ‘lack of conviction’ was indeed growing. But at the back of my mind was the possibility of what indeed happened : given the effective disappearance of the virus, the incompetents would still feel emboldened enough to ‘double down’ on a still susceptible population, confident in keeping the Big Con going by even more egregious distortions of reality.

And so it was.

Now – it’s not all bleak. I am confident that some of my efforts in simply giving acquaintances good information has had some effect – but mainly amongst those who weren’t entirely sold on the narrative, but who had excuses for it.

But the induction of Fear has been incredibly successful across the population, and has once again been whistled up.

So where does the flea go from here?

I’m not sure.

Continuing to put out good information whenever and wherever possible is obviously necessary.. But it’s not magic. Bluntly, a large number of people don’t know whether it’s shit, shave or breakfast time when it comes to information and logic.

Now that parliament is (at least in theory) back in session, it is clearly necessary to keep up pressure in that direction, with focused questioning rather than rambling rants. Putting MPs on the spot over basic democratic issues is key, and the Coronovirus legislation is a focus. As is asking pointed questions about the issue of vaccination and the government freebies for the pharmaceutical industry.

Demonstrations? Yes – IF you have the numbers (big ‘if’) and can detach the various ancillary hobby-horses that will be used as a distraction from the main issues.

… and, I guess, encouraging simple non-compliance and contempt for executive fiats.

But beyond that, I can see no magic tipping point.

One big sign in todays update for me. Liberty are now getting behind this ( maybe we can argue later why they stayed quiet for so long ). I suspect they’ve noticed that a lot of their regular supporters are anti lockdown.

And Big Brother Watch , too.

You can’t have Granny over for Christmas seems to be a massive tipping point.Its the last national festival we have left.The questions that were posed at the press conference got Johnson and Whitty to admit that the restrictions could still be in place.Raiding homes on Christmas Day to drag out our elderly relatives will not be a good idea

Not just Granny…. there must be many families like mine, where siblings live in different households and the combined total of immediate family members totals more than 6.
I live alone, so do my brother and mother, and my sister plus husband and 2 kids makes a total of 7… so one of us will have to be excluded..

It disturbs me greatly that they now seem to have the right to enter our private homes to see if there are more than 6 people gathered..

Although it has been touted that SARS-COV-2 is a new virus, I suggest that in fact it is an old virus.
What is the basis for this hypothesis?

In pre-school age group the main immune response is from the innate pattern matching receptors.
In primary school aged children the adaptive system starts to supplement the innate system, with the latter still being dominant.
In secondary school children the adaptive system is maturing but the innate system is still very active.
As a person ages their immune system diminshes and hence become more susceptible to infection.

My hypothesis that this is an old virus is based on the ability of the innate system to control it through the primitive pattern matching receptors that have evolved over millenia with the adjunct of T-cell immunity which may be identified by swelling to the cervical lymph nodes (glands) and a raised temperature but without serious complications.
This is not true for the influenza producing corona virus which can affect all age groups indiscriminantly.

Hence very young children will exhibit no symptoms and are not infectious. As the age range increases then symptoms may appear or they may not. It is only in the older populations that the risk of a seriously adverse reaction occurs.

As Daniel M. Davis in his book “The Beautiful Cure: the new science of Human Health” (pp141-142), states “background inflammation might persist in elderly people” ..”the effect is that the (immune) system is less able to discriminate between germs and the body’s own cells and tissues, and is particularly weak at detecting germs it has never encountered before.”
“it is easier for an immune reaction to be triggered in elderly people, but, by the same token, the system is less stringent in responding appropriately”
“Effects arise not just from the ageing of immune cells but from the ageing of the system as a whole – a consequence of the system having spent decades battling germs”.
The upshot of this is that the current lockdown should be lifted and people allowed to mix.

I welcome your continuing reporting of the ‘false positives’ problem, but perhaps we miss a trick – when paraphrasing reports etc, we can make clear to everyone just how much amplification is done in these tests. 30 cycles will multiply the sample amount by over 1,074 million – and 40 cycles (which is reached in many tests) is over 1 million million times – which gives some context with which to interpret the presence of tiny amounts of contaminants and RNA fragments.
It may also be worth stressing that the PCR tests ‘identify’ the virus by detecting only one or two fragments of 20 to 30 ‘bases’ length; the whole strand consists of almost 30,000 such ‘bases’.

 Spain: Female lifeguard arrested for surfing after testing positive for Coronavirus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHgBPfNXHEg

Quite right we don’t want the fishes getting the lab flu

Seen the other Spanish incident, of a boy having his neck knelt on, for not wearing a mask? In the DM today…

I put his on http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/ and he published it.

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This year’s exam results have no value as they are based on guesswork.

Money has no value anymore it the Daily Mail headline is corecct:

Boris’s mass COVID testing moonshot ‘to cost £100BILLION’: PM’s plan to get life back to normal with 10 MILLION tests a day is forecast to cost almost as much as entire NHS budget – and experts warn it may not even be possible

Freedom has no value
What’s the point of having members of Parliament if they don’t protect their constituents form an overbearing Government.

By now the Government must know that lockdowns don’t work.

Peru went into lockdown 16th March – 911 deaths per million (the highest death rate in the world after San Marino)

Brazil – no lockdown – 602 deaths per million

Only 8 reported Covid death in the UK the day Boris Johnson decides to become Oliver Cromwell and threatens to ban Christmas.

No doubt we should call his Covid Marshal social distancing clowns Oliver’s Army, but that sounds too friendly’

If we had a 100 billion spare I’d prefer to spend it on an actual moonshot

And look what happened to Cromwell’s reign in the end.

Might have taken a while but the people eventually woke up.

Do you think Charles I was better? Or Charles II, so corrupt that nobody would lend him a halfpenny, so he sold himself to the King of France for a pension?
At least Cromwell had principles.

Cromwell – principles: Yep, especially with regard to Irish catholics.

Will be interesting to see what replies you get to that post, from others who read his diary..

Covid Marshals = Boris Black Shirts

Nick Triggle is the best BBC journalist out of a bad bunch

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-54098675

“Ministers will then face the choice of more restrictions to try to curb the virus in the knowledge these will damage people’s health in other ways as well as harming education and the economy.

Or let the virus spread, while focusing efforts on protecting the vulnerable – that means protecting care homes and perhaps reintroducing shielding.

Lockdown bought us time, but simply deferred the problem.”

“ let the virus spread, while focusing efforts on protecting the vulnerable – that means protecting care homes and perhaps reintroducing shielding.”

should have been the plan in March. Of course has to be tempered by whether the vulnerable actually want to be shut away or are prepared to take the risk

Yes. We Old Farts are quite capable of doing our own risk assessment – a task which Mr Toad’s Flying Circus is clearly incapable of on my behalf.

I repeat, for the benefit of that utter shower “Now – just f. off”

Has Deborah Cohen done any recent reports? Or has she been sidelined after spilling some truth?

Genuine question, since I don’t watch BBC News except by accident.

On the above quotes – it’s still BBC bollocks :

1. Lockdown didn’t buy time. The virus just did what viruses do, and went away.
2. ‘Protect the vulnerable’? Like we do every ‘flu season – i.e with normal sensible behaviour? Well – actually the ‘vulnerable’ do that themselves; they don’t need to be patronised . Care homes will always require special ‘care’. Now f. off and stop trying to create a crisis.

dont know. I just check the govt live feed to see what bollox its spouting. Nick Triggle has been reasonable from the beginning not that I agree with him necessarily but I expect he is walking a fine line if he wants to keep a job. It also allows the BBC to reference his articles when its shown the emperor has not clothes

1 – agreed – as a comparison with our and swedens curve showed. It did delay it in S America, S Africa and India to catastrophic results
2 – a conversation is needed about what a care home is. Is it somewhere we send vulnerable relatives to be isolated in a germ free environment in order to eek out their miserable life as long as possible? Should the residents get a say?

“ Should the residents get a say?”

Of course – although in some cases that will essentially be the family.

The underlying point I was making is that many years have a season of heightened infection. This last was nothing unusual – the ‘crisis’ is entirely a political artifact.

And every year care homes and the ‘vulnerable’ have to deal with such a possibility, remembering that even vaccines provide no magic solution.

There is no ‘problem’. These journalists institutionalise mis-truths.

Twat-Valley’s finest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IopwxPRASdk

Reading the comments gives me some hope.

Got a spring in my step this morning as I think the silent majority are feeling emboldened enough to, finally, acknowledge that the emperor isn’t wearing a stitch….

How long before Gove breaks rank, possibly with Raab and the honourable member for the 18th century?

This is Gove’s chance. Will he take it i don’t know but if i were him i’d get up in Parliament and go through all the lies of this virus and declare that we should be opening up the country again with an emphasis on people who are weak and ill to take care but the rest of must get moving.

Oh Jeez! Frying pan to fire with that creepy Chuky look-alike doll.

I wonder when you’ll realise that socialism doesn’t work bro. When will people like you get their little grasping fingers out my pocket? We don’t want your socialism. We want the ability to stand or fall on our own efforts and if you can’t well tough fucking titty because my money and my rights come before yours. That way we can all be free. I know you don’t get it and can only surmise you can’t live off your own efforts and require a massive state to take whats mine and give it to you. Can you grasp it yet. Wait, silly question, off course you can’t.

What happens to the disabled under this philosophy? Two people (stupidly, maybe but acting with good intentions have just been disabled by the vaccine trial – multiple sclerosis and transverse myelitis. They were previously healthy and able to look after themselves but not any longer.These neurological disorders have an insidious effect on energy and mental functioning.
Are you going to kick them into the gutter?

Yes, where are the libertarians? I could happily forgive Brexit if they stop this particular Madness (sorry Brexiteers). I think this is much more important.

I voted Brexit to free ourselves from the E.U. I no longer care, this is so much more important