2020-09-11

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126865 jim j, replying to jim j, 80, #1 of 1466 🔗

Quick thought – I’m hating all of this!

126871 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to jim j, 82, #2 of 1466 🔗

Me too….total refusenik…hate everything about where we are as a society: ruled by sentiment not science, fear favoured over fortitude and seeing our whole way of life slowly destroyed. .. awful!

126875 ▶▶▶ jim j, replying to OKUK, 41, #3 of 1466 🔗

I not only have issues with what they are doing, but also the way they are doing it. It’s not very British, but it also seems the British would not accept it. Yet both things are happening

126879 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to jim j, 35, #4 of 1466 🔗

Yeah, I never really bought into that idea of Brits as great defenders of liberty.

We are a very docile and law abiding people generally. We identify the idea of freedom with a settled constitution and the rule of law.

That makes us easy pickings for the Covid bullshit.

That said, is there a single nation that has stood up to and revolted against these horrible infringements of our natural liberty? I don’t think so.

It’s not just a British disease.

126884 ▶▶▶▶▶ jim j, replying to OKUK, 12, #5 of 1466 🔗

Wouldnt it be nice to be first!

126885 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ jim j, replying to jim j, 4, #6 of 1466 🔗

We’ve got the songs for it, sing a long if you know the words – There’ll Always be an England…

126889 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to jim j, 4, #7 of 1466 🔗

Come on Nicola – sing along…why so glum?

126892 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jim j, replying to OKUK, 5, #8 of 1466 🔗

Scotland The Brave??
Oh no no no

126894 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to jim j, 14, #9 of 1466 🔗

It’s been changed to “Scotland the Craven”.

126954 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Catherine Young, replying to OKUK, 18, #10 of 1466 🔗

The Shetland Isles are discussing independence from Scotland. (Seriously.) Karma…..

127022 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Catherine Young, 4, #11 of 1466 🔗

It’s been discussed for a while, rejoining the Danish/Norwegian motherland.

127331 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to karenovirus, 2, #12 of 1466 🔗

Eh no, what was discussed was becoming a crown dependency same as Channel Islands or Mann.
Negotiations would take place as to whether it is Norwegian or Scottish crown.
Shetland was a wedding gift from King of Norway.

127030 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Catherine Young, 5, #13 of 1466 🔗

They did before…they would be as fabulously wealthy as a Little oil state in the Gulf.

128014 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Catherine Young, 2, #14 of 1466 🔗

They should go for it. If there’s one thing worse than Johnson, it’s Johnson. Forgot to mention the evil Hancock, the bastard.

128011 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to jim j, #15 of 1466 🔗

There’ll always be an an England, but they don’t want us in it.

127662 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to jim j, 1, #16 of 1466 🔗

Wouldn’t it be nicer to get back to normal?

126898 ▶▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to OKUK, 16, #17 of 1466 🔗

I guess we Canadians come by our docility honestly, being part of the Commonwealth and all. I think we’re worse than you — the sheeple are virtually 100% compliant with masks. I despair because every time your government comes up with some new humiliation, I know we’re not far behind.

126905 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BobT, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 17, #18 of 1466 🔗

You make a good point about the “Commonwealth and all”. History is powerful and many of the British Commonwealth countries and even their ex colonies still regard England as ‘the mother country’ and have respect for their political system and sensible decision making processes so they sill take the UK lead.
Right now the UK leadership has not just failed its own citizens but the rest of the Commonwealth and their ex Colonies also.
Yet another fuck up.

126919 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to BobT, 31, #19 of 1466 🔗

I’ve been really surprised by Australia, at least Victoria, taking the lead in the march toward dictatorship within the Anglosphere.

126975 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to karenovirus, 10, #20 of 1466 🔗

I’m surprised the Australians are putting up with their pigmy dictatorship.

127025 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ nfw, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #21 of 1466 🔗

You mean just like the Brits are?

127108 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to nfw, 6, #22 of 1466 🔗

Think you will find it’s way worse in Victoria.

127505 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 2, #23 of 1466 🔗

But it’s just heating in the U.K.

128023 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to nfw, #24 of 1466 🔗

Brits are a bunch of servile masochists.

128093 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kelly81, replying to Bella Donna, #25 of 1466 🔗

Nothing pygmy about it, throughout history the majorityof cassical full blown dictatorships have been a lot less totalitarian than Kim Jong Dan is being. Hitler, Stalin, red China and the North Korean dynasties might be exceptions, but most of the “tin pot” dictatorships, and a lot of the richer “client state” ones have typically given their people enough freedoms to keep the fundamental processes of society ticking over.

127052 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ nfw, replying to karenovirus, -2, #26 of 1466 🔗

Which dictatorship is that? Where I live the roads are full of cars, we don’t wear masks when shopping, unless you’re an old fart scared by the marxist media or a Karen or a Chinese, and life pretty goes much goes on as normal, eg schools have been operating since the winter holidays in June. Oh, that’s right, we don’t have a Labor state government. As for Victoria, I think the Premier is a Chinese tool and fool, but they voted for the morons (Labor, Victoria being a bastion of academics and unions) and everything is done in accordance with the State’s Constitution and laws. Just like Boris and the US states where madness reigns I suppose.

I find those who complain about the death of democracy can never give me an real example or have read the laws/constitutions. And don’t say “suspending parliament” as none of them have been prorogued and any change of sitting dates is completely up to the government. On the other hand Trudeau prorogued the Canadian federal parliament; but that was to escape financial ethics scrutiny, not the Wuhan Virus Cold.

127114 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to nfw, 12, #27 of 1466 🔗

I suppose you aware that elections have been suspended, parliament is barely functioning and that we are ruled by decree via Twitter?

128026 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 1, #28 of 1466 🔗

That’s what democracy is all about, according to nfw.

127507 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to nfw, #29 of 1466 🔗

Where do you live in Australia? If you can’t tell us that’s fine.

128030 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to richard riewer, #30 of 1466 🔗

Looks like nfw is in Ealing.

128024 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to nfw, #31 of 1466 🔗

How many examples do you want?

128022 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, #32 of 1466 🔗

Victoria today, Scotland soon after.

128020 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to BobT, #33 of 1466 🔗

The government hasn’t failed everyone, Bill Gates is quite happy with how things are going.

128099 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kelly81, replying to Rowan, 1, #34 of 1466 🔗

Oddly enough, to the more conspiracy minded, Gates and his foundation have now been making noises about how lockdowns in africa have been much worse than covid could have ever been. Angry, no doubt, that such brutal repression in the name of stopping a mild virus has stopppd Gates’s lot from distributing vacciens for much worse viruses. They’ve started admitting that lockdowns don’t work “for low income countries”, maybe they’ll have the sense to see the same applies to ALL countries. If there’s a conspiracy behind this look to the control freaks in governments and secutiy industries who lust after ways to surveil people. Vaccine manufacturers and distributors undoubtedly want to make money, and will willingly do whatever they can to make their vaccine seem more useful that it might actually be, but they have staretd to see that paralysing societies so they are too poor to pay for the vaccine, or too disrupted to make use of it, isn’t matched to their for-profit agendas.

126915 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 54, #35 of 1466 🔗

‘Humiliation’ is. a very good word. Human dignity is being trampled underfoot – by the legions of zombified ex-humans.
Friends all, every time you go out maskless, stand tall, smile, and show you are human and truly alive, you are resisting this humiliation.
Never despair, never give up, never give in. The. human race is us.

127012 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to annie, 10, #36 of 1466 🔗

How true!

Borrowing from George Orwell – Masks are a boot stamped on your face – forever.

127017 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to charleyfarley, 15, #37 of 1466 🔗

Show your face.
Rejoin the human race.

127169 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wildboar, replying to annie, 3, #38 of 1466 🔗

Annie, you’re a poet and you know it.

Now if you could set your lines to music and have the jingle recorded by a teenage band, then played consistently on Radio 1 and other stations, we could get the pubic to sing along, and influence government policy.

Anti-repressive songs needed now. If anyone knows bands or singers, get them to work.

127970 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to wildboar, 1, #39 of 1466 🔗

Love to. But for us traditional types music is a live experience. No longer it seems. Thanks mad Boris and SShambledick, the axe is waiting for you. . .

128101 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kelly81, replying to wildboar, #40 of 1466 🔗

Needs a few more syllables in the first line really

127500 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #41 of 1466 🔗

That’s because they are all linked together. Or, perhaps, they don’t want to be outdone. It’s a competition to see who can be the most Orwellian. There’s a First for ya!

127497 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to OKUK, 5, #42 of 1466 🔗

It’s a lethal virus that has infected most of the world. If sane and healthy indigenous people in different parts of the world knew about this charade they would probably laugh their heads off. This situation is beyond ludicrous and risible, it’s inhuman, evil and must be stopped.

128105 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kelly81, replying to richard riewer, 1, #43 of 1466 🔗

As well as indigensous peoples, all the peoples of history would be laughing at us too. All the people who lived lives where much worse diseases than covid lurked after every meal, every scratch, every visit to the “toilet”… The people of the 20th century who lived through the “Spanish” flu, with near normality, or the “Asian” or “Hongkong” flus of the late 50s and 60swith total normality. And Donald A Henderson, the man who masterminded the eradication of smallpox, will be spinning in his grave in fury, he concluded from all the available evidence that throughout history the communities that have best coped with pandemics have eben those that kept as clsoe to normal as possible.

http://www.upmc-biosecurity.org/website/resources/publications/2006/2006-09-15-diseasemitigationcontrolpandemicflu.html

126973 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to jim j, 16, #44 of 1466 🔗

The peoples’ compliance is mainly based on ignorance with a large dollop of trust. They trust the government has their interests at heart, when in fact it’s their own interests that are foremost. When you learn that Whitty, Ferguson and Vallance are all linked to the Gates Foundation, as is the W. H. O. it puts everything into perspective.

126994 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to jim j, 10, #45 of 1466 🔗

The British bain’t what they use to be. In truth I think they’ve all but become extinct.

127511 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ned of the Hills, #46 of 1466 🔗

Duke Ellington Things ain’t what they used to be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOePGV9Utrk

127659 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to jim j, #47 of 1466 🔗

Boris is part Turkish. So there you go.

127660 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to jim j, 1, #48 of 1466 🔗

And not the good Turkish. He’s Erdogan Turkish.

127687 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to jim j, 1, #49 of 1466 🔗

And it’s not Turkish Delight either.

128231 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jane, replying to richard riewer, #50 of 1466 🔗

= Lukumi
sugar, water, and starch.
Yum . . .(not)

128010 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to OKUK, #51 of 1466 🔗

Agreed but it’s not that slow!

126901 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to jim j, 35, #52 of 1466 🔗

Thus far I have pretended to go along with Track’n’Trace by giving them a real but redundant email.
I’m not willing to be party to unlawfull coercion (see Toby’s text re Control of Disease Act 1984 😅 ).

I enjoy eating in cafes, pubs and restaurants and have done so more than usual recently in order to support them but I can live without it.
Since stealing my identity is to become Statute Law I shall desist from doing so until that situation is reversed.

126928 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 23, #53 of 1466 🔗

Hear, hear. Bye, bye dine in; hello takeaway and delivery.

Will be boycotting eating out until this insanity is gone.

126931 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #54 of 1466 🔗

Thanks for the 50% boris, much good it did in the long run.

126937 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to karenovirus, 12, #55 of 1466 🔗

Exactly. And if restaurants, cafes and pubs go bust they should blame the government and themselves for being cowards.

127101 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #56 of 1466 🔗

I don’t blame the restaurants.The local councils will be all over them.I use a kebab house.He told me last night he is closing the seating area because the council have told him he needs Perspex screens and he must enforce track and trace.He can’t afford to do this so is going take away only

127135 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 4, #57 of 1466 🔗

Yes, you are right. I’ll make an exception for the transport cafe that I’ve been using that has been fine after being a bit uptight for the first week after reopening (cash).

127519 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 4, #58 of 1466 🔗

Cash only.

128207 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam Hiley, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #59 of 1466 🔗

i would rather eat my shoe than a kebab

127349 ▶▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to karenovirus, 12, #60 of 1466 🔗

Hello,
I woke up after a dream this morning where Boris announced to the British public that he and his government were deeply sorry for the mistake of lockdown. That he would suspend All lockdown laws and fire his entire team of experts and replace them with experts who would lead the country out of the nightmare. This is what I hope should happen but politicians don’t seem to have the courage to do the right thing. Instead politicians will lie and mislead us and don’t have the honesty to say they were wrong. As for Boris he portrays himself as Churchills prodgey but he’s completely failed when faced with a crisis. In 1940 the British government was faced with a crisis negotiate peace with Nazis Germany the easy option. This is what everyone expected or call for Winston. As we all know we ended up on the right side of history. But we came so close to being on the wrong side of history it’s why Churchill is seen as the greatest Briton.

127525 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Derek Toyne, 6, #61 of 1466 🔗

It wasn’t just Churchill, it was millions of other people that went along for the ride.

127739 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Derek Toyne, replying to richard riewer, 4, #62 of 1466 🔗

I agree, but it was Churchill who rallied the nation to fight on. The previous government and the establishment were quite willing to negotiate with Nazis Germany. The point I am making is Boris failed completely with his first crisis unlike his hero.

128075 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to richard riewer, #63 of 1466 🔗

Exactly why would we have lost the war without Churchill? It’s never been that clear to me.

128173 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Rowan, #64 of 1466 🔗

I didn’t say that. Churchill’s speeches and manner inspired millions of people to follow his lead.

128170 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ rational actor, replying to Derek Toyne, #65 of 1466 🔗

By the time he became PM Churchill had held numerous positions of responsibility (Admiralty, for one), had had the opportunity to screw up badly (Gallipoli) and had been politically ostracized for some of his views, which did not result in his capitulation in order to make himself more acceptable. Johnson has simply never had these experiences and could not psychologically handle them if he had. He is a weak man who goes with the path of least resistance. I should have known this from his inability to keep his trousers zipped, because I thought it wasn’t relevant. I made a mistake, which is more than bojo would ever admit.

128243 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to rational actor, #66 of 1466 🔗

Churchill did not screw up at Gallipoli, he planned a Naval engagement only, the War Office turned it into an amphibious one and then supplied second rate ships and an Admiral who was a nervous wreck.

128208 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Adam Hiley, replying to Derek Toyne, #67 of 1466 🔗

Johnson could’nt lace Churchills shoes

128038 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 1, #68 of 1466 🔗

If Boris thought he would win as a remainer, then he would have been a remainer. Now that’s how democracy works for Boris.

127516 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #69 of 1466 🔗

Pay cash only.

127018 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 17, #70 of 1466 🔗

Find a place that takes cash.
Lie.
Lying in that context is a moral duty.

127076 ▶▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to annie, 2, #71 of 1466 🔗

Aol@aol.com is the email that I’ve used for years if I don’t want to give my personal email address. 0800 800 800 is the telephone number too!

127137 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Arnie, #72 of 1466 🔗

Does Whitehall 1212 still work?
(London)9441212

128041 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to karenovirus, 2, #73 of 1466 🔗

If needed,I sign in as: R U Barking

127513 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 2, #74 of 1466 🔗

Illegal Statute Law. If the United Nations does nothing about all this then they should be defunded as well.

128089 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to richard riewer, 1, #75 of 1466 🔗

The UN is a globalist invention. Bill Gates is a globalist and a eugenicist. Boris Johnson is softer than putty in Bill’s hands.

128176 ▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Rowan, #76 of 1466 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVfzf2Lej5c

From Boris J to Bill G:
Putty in your hands

128245 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to richard riewer, #77 of 1466 🔗

They should be refunded in any event.

126959 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to jim j, 37, #78 of 1466 🔗

Yesterday I endured a 90 minute wait outside hospital in the fresh air and traffic noise admiring facemasks in a queue for a blood test after having been mortified to have missed an appointment for one at my local GP. Inside it was my first true encounter with the devastating impact of the C-19 rules on what used to be a slick, efficient operation. Back home, I check online and read that ‘government’ is going to spend £100,000,000,000 to test the whole population once a week. (I’m sure there is a mistake somewhere, but by now mistakes are everywhere.)

Late yesterday I posted a comment to reassure anyone wavering from the ‘government’ line, not to do so because they are fanatical about your well being. In case you missed it, here it is again. Keep the faith.

Some people think the government lockdowns are part of a conspiracy, so the question that arises is: “Why should this be so?” Is there any reason? There might be some things happening that just appear to benefit from there being a lockdown with a Behavioral Insights Team helping the BBC to scare the people shwitless. The danger of the disease is over-hyped and the government changes the rules to make it look as if many more people are dying from it than is actually the case. They then decant sick people into care homes where there is very little medical assistance and add all those that die there to the numbers dying from the disease. The mantra becomes that we can only relax the lockdown rules when a vaccine becomes available. Enter left, a philanthopist, who takes a great interest in these matters agrees to help chivvy this along if you can chip in a few million/billion pounds. He is a major funder of the entities in this field (WHO – 4.3 Billion, Imperial College – 280 Million, Oxford University – 243 Million, Prof. Chris Wittey – 40 Million, BBC Media Action – 53 Million, CDC – 155 Million, GAVI – 3 Billion, Johns Hopkins – 870 Million, NIH (Fauci) – 18 Million). The prime minister ponces around with world leaders and promises large sums of taxpayer money to the philanthopist’s favourite fund and directly to vaccine manufacturers so that we can all be vaccinated with an incompletely tested vaccine, one where all the ferrets died when exposed to the disease and for which the manufacturers have no liability if the vaccine kills or maims tens of thousands. Still, we have millions of syringes ready so they really must go ahead with vaccine production. They are training recruits too so that they can make sure everyone is protected. To ensure the populace is well informed, the philanthropist gives money to all the news outlets that will take it and so make sure they never hear the word Hydroxychloroquine. Hydroxychloroquine is banned for use with the disease in most western countries where the death rate is much higher than countries that used it prophylactically or in the early stages of the infection. It just so happens that the head of the centre for disease control in the United States has an interest in a competitor for treating the disease and produced false evidence to attempt to discredit HCQ. But this minor conflict of interest is not the main concern. It is that if the fact that HCQ treatments can be 100% effective in the early stages of the disease becomes universally known, then people will know that there is absolutely no need whatsoever for a vaccine. And the philanthropist is on record saying that he makes 20 times a much money from vaccines than anything else. So there you have it, no smoking guns.

126989 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to PastImperfect, 9, #79 of 1466 🔗

If this isn’t state corporatism I don’t know what it is. And the socialist parties are are all into it as far as I can see.

Couple of letters to write this week. One to my local socialist Councillor whose party was built on the back of fighting back against the housing mad banking scams here in Ireland, will need told in no uncertain terms, they are being hoodwinked by a corporate takeover and their attempt to use masks and calls for school closures as some warped signal of ‘solidarity’ is completely delusional.

127148 ▶▶▶▶ Sean Lydon, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 7, #80 of 1466 🔗

Depends what you mean by state corporatism: ‘corporatism’ usually means state and big business operating in tandem, what some refer to as “crony capitalism”. There’s an interview on Bloomberg with Larry Fink CEO of BlackRock Inc where he talks of the “intersect between Covid, Climate and racial justice” you could as well be listening to Jeremy Corbyn or Sinn Fein..

The mighty GK Chesterton was on the money writing a century ago:

“Bolshev1sm and Big Business are very much alike; they are both built on the truth that everything is easy and simple if once you eliminate liberty. And the real irreconcilable enemy of both is what may be called Small Business.”

Otherwise this is an excellent talk on the bigger picture which we’re not seeing on Lockdown Sceptics which I can only interpret, like the media generally, as controlled opposition, i.e. we’re supposed to believe CV-19 is some kind of error rather than deliberately engineered, i.e. no different politically to Climate or ‘racial justice’ different means to same ‘One World’ end, that’s to say. in what Larry Fink’s “intersect” consists:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PrY7nFbwAY&feature=emb_title

127535 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sean Lydon, 2, #81 of 1466 🔗

Crony Capitalism to me is standard rent seeking behaviour that has become endemic within the socio-political system. Corporatism is a much more explicit relationship between big business and the state. The fascist state enforces the will of select business interests. To me its moved from the first system to verging on the latter as we see the same private institutions funding key scientific research centres who in turn are the infallible advisors to government.

The government is last in that chain as the enforcer of the policies put forward by the unelected chain of groups that precede it. Nowhere is the man I the street part of this. Yes they have a vote every 4 years but without freedoms such a right I assembly and protest, free speech, free press, democracy is but a facade.

127530 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #82 of 1466 🔗

State Corporatism is Fascism.

127761 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to richard riewer, #83 of 1466 🔗

That’s why I called it so. Mussolini and all that.

128103 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #84 of 1466 🔗

It’s more than state corporatism, it’s state aided genocide. Bill Gates is a lifelong eugenicist and a longtime advocate for drastic reduction of the global population. Why would anyone accept a fast tracked hardly tested and free of all liability vaccine for a disease that isn’t a problem unless you are already dying of something which is way more serious.

127008 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PastImperfect, 12, #85 of 1466 🔗

Excellent summary.
The point of this post will become evident.
15 years ago my local council proposed to implement resident parking bays in 10 areas of the city.
Following howls of protest they promised local mini referenda.
This they did and all 10 areas voted resoundingly No, on a turnout higher than local elections.
The city hailed their exercise in local democracy but noted a “few hotspots of local demand”.

Over the next ten years they implemented resident parking along a few short stretches of road, here and there, a bit over there and somewhere else.
In the end the whole initial ten schemes were implemented in full but nobody noticed.

This is where we are headed, a little local lockdown here for Leicester, another over there, the unlovely parts of Manchester, West coast of Scotland and yet another bit.
Followed by the biggest provincial city as Birmingham faces new restrictions until finally The Biggie, The Great Wen. And how can London complain, it’s only coming in line with the rest of the country?
Caerphilly for now but the rest of Wales can wait till they’ve got used to the masks.

127534 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #86 of 1466 🔗

Étapiste: step by step.

127406 ▶▶▶ Jane in France, replying to PastImperfect, #87 of 1466 🔗

I think Gilead is the name of the company in question.

128113 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Jane in France, 1, #88 of 1466 🔗

Gilead makes the costly patented drug remdesvir, that might just work a bit. Hydroxychloroquine apparently works well, but being out of patent won’t make real money.

127528 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #89 of 1466 🔗

And that philanthropist was Bill Gates. He even giggle with glee after he said it. Worse than Scrooge McDuck.

126868 OKUK, 1, #90 of 1466 🔗

I’m sickened to be second…

126869 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 24, #91 of 1466 🔗

With restrictions on assembly, prohibitive rules on going to pubs, cinemas and public buildings, the government is slowly taking over our personal lives, effectively killing Britain’s centuries old implicitly accepted commitment to individual liberty.

“Implicitly accepted”. There’s your problem. You may make fun of Americans for being… special, but at least they have their freedom and liberty written in their constitution. In the UK, liberty is only accorded if it pleases the ruling class, and it can be taken away on a whim.
Stop letting your freedom be an implicit right. Make it explicit.

126873 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #92 of 1466 🔗

The commitment to individual liberty went a long time ago! Nothing to do with Covid.

126902 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 8, #93 of 1466 🔗

Bill of Rights 1689, from which the US Constitution derives, that and Magna Carta (did she die in vain?) 1215.

127035 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 4, #94 of 1466 🔗

Thanks for the Hancock (not the current one) reference

126903 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 19, #95 of 1466 🔗

Not quite right Cristi.. The word ‘implicit’ does not indicate casual, easy to remove freedoms.
It reflects that under Common Law (on which yours are based) Subjects of the Queen may do anything that is not expressly forbidden.
Citizens under Napoleonic Law
(most of continental Europe) are allowed to do those things that their governments permit them to do.

johnson and his creepy cabal have proposed laws that severely curtail those freedoms but we will get them back when his illegal Coronovirus legislation is cast aside by the Courts.

126916 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 12, #96 of 1466 🔗

Well and bravely spoken.
How often in our history have a brave few carried the cause of liberty while the sheeple multitude stand and bleat?
We think the love of liberty is intrinsic to Brits because our history has always been written to focus upon the few who did things, rather than the many who stood and bleated. What proportion of the population, for example, did the Pilgrim Fathers represent?

126922 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 16, #97 of 1466 🔗

Thank you Annie.
The charge at the moment appears to being led by Toby and Simon Dolan, let’s hope the latter has the support of Dyson, Branson and Martin whose early careers would have been stymied under the regime boris the bastard is aiming for.

Next thing we’ll be told is that we can get the Covid “off of the internet…”

127040 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to karenovirus, 2, #98 of 1466 🔗

Who ‘owns’ the courts?

127094 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #99 of 1466 🔗

I should have added a pointer to the travesty that is the treatment of Assange.

Craig Murray’s reports testify to the blatant bias of the court.

127146 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to PastImperfect, 1, #100 of 1466 🔗

The Queen but they are run by The Lord Chancellor (if and when they get back to work).

127536 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to PastImperfect, #101 of 1466 🔗

The people.

128210 ▶▶ Adam Hiley, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #102 of 1466 🔗

Britain massively needs a written constitution

126886 Sally, replying to Sally, 43, #103 of 1466 🔗

Only four people per lift, each facing towards one corner of the lift.

Surely they are taking the p*** now?

126896 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Sally, 16, #104 of 1466 🔗

I feel sorry for this person, it’s insanity. They need a new job… vote with the feet.

126900 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Tee Ell, 6, #105 of 1466 🔗

Deals with the farting issue perhaps, so a silver lining of sorts.

126929 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Sally, 17, #106 of 1466 🔗

Offices are hotbeds of insanity now. My friend’s office also has a series of insane rules but she’s fighting back with the mask diktat with her exemption.

126950 ▶▶▶ Richard, replying to Bart Simpson, 11, #107 of 1466 🔗

Exactly which is why the whole back to work thing is going to fall over – one day of that and no one will go back for a second day – the idea that there will be meetings over computers wearing masks is just bonkers – but have heard it before. Was with someone yesterday and one his other clients had a daughter who had queued for an hour for lift to get into the office ! That isn’t going to be an unusual issue – my old job in one of the City biggest buildings we had 20 crammed in to very life and there were still often waits ! It’s the rules / guidance that’s e issue

126972 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Richard, 10, #108 of 1466 🔗

Agree. At some point this will just fall apart as office workers either revolt or boycott or engage in simple disobedience. Many companies are on their knees now and are spending money they don’t have on pointless “Covid safety” measures, any “strike” by their workers will finish them off.

126978 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, 7, #109 of 1466 🔗

The winter will be a big problem as a lot of businesses will not turn on their heating/ac systems because of the fear of spreading Covid.

126980 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to JohnB, 6, #110 of 1466 🔗

The irony with that is that more people will get sick due to the draughts and chill.

Either way businesses are fecked because people will simply just stay at home and do their Christmas shopping online or simply go for Deliveroo or Just Eat for a date night in.

127039 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #111 of 1466 🔗

It happening already, as the offices are that cold, one of the businesses I deal with regularly sent a member of staff home as his nose was running. He’s not ill, but they can’t take any risk, so he has now had to have a C-19 test, and they are awaiting the outcome which of positive means they will have to shut the office and all self isolate!

127337 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Bart Simpson, #112 of 1466 🔗

Sorry but you so not get sick due to draughts and chill. Put on another jumper.

127863 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bruno, #113 of 1466 🔗

I don’t like the tone of your comment. A few years ago, I did catch a cold which I couldn’t shift for six months due to a work colleague opening the windows at all times even when it was so cold. She didn’t even once bothered to ask me if I was OK with it. And I had to sit at my desk wearing my layers and coat for the whole day.

Your comment is unhelpful and condescending.

127541 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #115 of 1466 🔗

Boycott Christmas at the high end/online outlets. Buy everything at the COOps and boot sales.

127032 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to JohnB, 5, #116 of 1466 🔗

I thought the Covid liked cold, hence the rash of outbreaks in food processing plants over the summer throughout Europe.

127556 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JohnB, #117 of 1466 🔗

The Winter of our Discontent or The Lion in Winter?.

127043 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Richard, 5, #118 of 1466 🔗

“whole back to work thing is going to fall over”

Just what they need to destroy small business and make everyone dependent on the state.

127119 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard, replying to PastImperfect, 2, #119 of 1466 🔗

Whilst there are going to be issues in some built up areas – am (was before the latest madness (hopeful that the local suburbs and market towns could benefit from the salaries being spent in the places where people live rather than the centre. Whilst places like the city have small business owners a lot of them got forced out by rents and aggressive expansion by the big chains – there were literally Prets every 200 meters in some parts so they are clearly and very public ally in trouble.

127199 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Richard, 1, #120 of 1466 🔗

Agreed I imagine that a lot of home workers would take a break outside the house, pub lunch perhaps.

C 1980 working in Long Acre before the days of Pret, just a nice family run sandwich shop with excellent Gala Pie.

126986 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Sally, 2, #121 of 1466 🔗

at that point i realised he was making the whole story up.

127110 ▶▶▶ Richard, replying to Biker, 5, #122 of 1466 🔗

Hi Biker, sadly I don’t think he is – have got first hand knowledge of several “re-entry” plans for City businesses and this kind of lift restriction is common – usually enhanced by the fact the four people have to stand in each corner facing outwards. There is nothing in Sally’s post that haven’t seen before in multiple sources

127041 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Sally, 2, #123 of 1466 🔗

Shades of Peter Pisspot?

127188 ▶▶ Roadrash, replying to Sally, 5, #124 of 1466 🔗

Our office rules include the same masks in lifts nonsense including having to wear one even if you are the only one in it. Presumably someone is monitoring cctv. I use the stairs – 4 floors.

127348 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Roadrash, 1, #125 of 1466 🔗

This will be the death of multi storey, open plan city office blocks. Lots of offshore property magnates lose a lot of money (as, temporarily, do a lot of pension funds. They can reassign their capital however). Suburbia, small businesses and traditional human scale buildings win. Good show.

127539 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sally, #126 of 1466 🔗

Take the p*** out of them.

127549 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Sally, 2, #127 of 1466 🔗

Ha! Our regulations are worse. Only 2 people allowed in the lift. The company I work for advises us to not use the lift at all and, if we must, to not touch the lift buttons with “bare skin”.

126887 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 8, #128 of 1466 🔗

Speculating on how, worldwide, it has been so easy to take away people’s freedoms using the Covid excuse, I recalled Thomas Sasz…look him up on Wikipedia via Google.

His ideas seemed somewhat outlandish, maybe perverse, 50 years ago but now, in the context of the Covid crisis, I feel they have stood the test of time.

126893 ▶▶ Sally, replying to OKUK, 6, #129 of 1466 🔗

Szasz’s ideas were at no time outlandish or perverse!

Another thinker relevant to these times is Ivan Illich (particularly Medical Nemesis ).

126895 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Sally, 4, #130 of 1466 🔗

Thanks for the name check…Yes I think I was partly recalling Ivan whilst referencing TS.

These thinkers from several decades ago are now highly relevant to the times we live in.

127139 ▶▶ Alison9, replying to OKUK, #131 of 1466 🔗

Just looked him up on Amazon, he looks really interesting – which of his books would you particularly recommend?

127803 ▶▶ TyLean, replying to OKUK, 2, #132 of 1466 🔗

I second the notion and further suggest…. go a step further and read some Thomas Sasz! If only more people did.

126897 John Mirra, replying to John Mirra, 74, #133 of 1466 🔗

“When a man is denied the right to live the life he believes in, he has no choice but to become an outlaw.” Nelson Mandela

Government is sure making a lot of outlaws these days.

127564 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to John Mirra, 2, #134 of 1466 🔗

Outlaws United. A new Premier League team.

126899 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 31, #135 of 1466 🔗

I know the parallel has been drawn before but as I listen to the BBCs version of the news I’m more and more reminded of 1984, not just the Police state into which we are descending.
Oceania is in a constant state of war with the other two remaining superpowers. Every day for years the Citizens are told by loudspeakers of ever greater victorious battles against the nearly defeated enemy. . .

But final victory never comes, is Oceania actually winning battles ?

Is there really a war ?

126917 ▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 13, #136 of 1466 🔗

Julia thought there was no war, and that the constant rain if bombs was being delivered by the government ‘to keep people frightened’. It’s not clear in the book whether that technique was being used, but it’s most certainly being used now.

126924 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 22, #137 of 1466 🔗

Discussing the Rule of 6 with a dental care worker yesterday she said, without prompting, “it’s all just to keep us in line”.

127063 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to annie, 6, #138 of 1466 🔗

More lies have been dropped on the country than in the whole of WW2.

127058 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to karenovirus, 13, #139 of 1466 🔗

Yes – so many victories…

The Great Lockdown victory (two super lockdown countries head the death table – Peru and Belgium but who cares? – we did the right thing).

The 500,000 Lives Saved victory. Thank you Generalissimo Ferguson for leading us to such stunning success.

The Glorious App victory. So successful, a second front has now been opened up.

The NHS Saved victory (sadly huge casualties in this battle but never mind).

The Magnificent Mask victory – millions heroically wearing masks every day despite the clear health dangers to themselves from doing so.

In terms of phantom victories North Korea has nothing on us.

127203 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to OKUK, 1, #140 of 1466 🔗

Not to mention how successful they have been at keeping the dread Second Wave at bay.

127361 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to karenovirus, 1, #141 of 1466 🔗

Of course, this one’s just the successor to the war on terrorism, the war on drugs, the war on satanic rituals, the war on witches – you get the picture

127573 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bruno, 1, #142 of 1466 🔗

You forgot smokers.

127569 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #143 of 1466 🔗

Perpetual wars keep the people on their toes. Hourly. Daily.

126904 Nigel Sherratt, 6, #144 of 1466 🔗

This might be a better link to ‘Everybody Be Yo’Self’ than the rewritten Muppet version (appropriate though it is for this post).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K34zlD7BEHk

‘Everybody’s got to live, everybody’s got to die
Everybody’s got a right to feel good inside
Everybody’s got a high, everybody’s got a low
Everybody got to be yoself no matter where you go

You go downtown to show your face around
You got nothin’ that you want to hide …’

126906 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 15, #145 of 1466 🔗

Happy Families, Mum Dad and 3 kids.

Mum, can Gary come over this evening ?
“No Peter, you had a friend here on Wednesday, I think it’s Frans’ turn to have a friend tonight.”
No it ain’t she had that Wendy here on Thursday I told Andy he could come round.
No I never that was Monday!
“Well I’m sorry Gary, Andy will just have to come another time”
It ain’t fair and I hate you both!

“George, darling, do you fancy going to the pub for a couple of hours so the kids can have more than one friend to visit ?”

‘Oh all right if I really have to’.

127060 ▶▶ Catherine, replying to karenovirus, 7, #146 of 1466 🔗

It’s such bollocks. I have 3 kids. Twice this week we have walked home in a group of 8. Is that verboten? Shall I ignore my friends and neighbours en route for fear of breaching 6 next week??!!

127205 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Catherine, #147 of 1466 🔗

Farm out a couple of the kids if a friend calls, or the man to read the meter ?

126907 Startifartblast, replying to Startifartblast, 4, #148 of 1466 🔗

The Real Conservative Party
The Normal Party
The Sane Party

127096 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Startifartblast, 6, #149 of 1466 🔗

The Raving Normal Party?

127362 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Arnie, 1, #150 of 1466 🔗

An improvement on the actual Monster Raving Tory Party, certainly.

127577 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Arnie, #151 of 1466 🔗

What happened to the Raging Grannies?

127575 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Startifartblast, 1, #152 of 1466 🔗

The Fed up Party.

127623 ▶▶ Kristian Short, replying to Startifartblast, #153 of 1466 🔗

Take Action Party
Personal Freedom Party
The Post Politics Party
Courage
The Future Party
The Common Law Party
The Face Freedom Party

127806 ▶▶ TyLean, replying to Startifartblast, 2, #154 of 1466 🔗

A lot more Left-wingers here than you imagine actually, but funny – even as a left wing person – I am lamenting the lack of a true Conservative Party.

126908 karenovirus, 16, #155 of 1466 🔗

Pulling up outside my house yesterday and finishing a bit of paperwork I became aware of a small cluster of people on the corner behind me.
I can hear a man talking about the great flood here in the 1960s. I carry on listening with interest as he described at length what happened in the surrounding streets and to local families.
About 10 minutes later the group walked toward the park, the last of them in a hi viz bib.
Walking back from the shops half an hour later the group the group are back and the man, who is filming himself Go-Pro, is telling them about the effects of WW2 on the area.

Hopefully this is a sign of greenshoots of a return to Civic Society that johnson and his gang have tried to stamp out.

126909 karenovirus, 1, #156 of 1466 🔗

I’m surprised the chap in Toby’s text trying
to buy wine was allowed in the front door at all since alcohol retailers have the right, indeed duty, to refuse service if he believes that alcohol might be passed to minors.

Not saying this is as it should be but it is.

126910 Sir Patrick Vaccine, #157 of 1466 🔗

Hello

126911 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 6, #158 of 1466 🔗

Exclusive Michael Gove persuaded Boris Johnson to bring in ‘rule of six’ Mr Gove was one of only two Cabinet ministers to call for new curb on social gatherings earlier this week

Telegraph

126912 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 5, #159 of 1466 🔗

Rum cove that Gove.

126968 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 9, #160 of 1466 🔗

That is very worrying. It seems that when Bozo ‘retires’ for health reasons we still may not see an end to this madness.

127268 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Bella Donna, #161 of 1466 🔗

Could be spin by Gove’s opponents.

128016 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to kf99, #162 of 1466 🔗

My thoughts exactly. I reckon there is a nasty power struggle kicking off in the Conservative Party.

126913 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 41, #163 of 1466 🔗

Yesterday I allowed myself to get my hopes up a bit, when I heard that *finally* a few politicians are saying that enough is enough.

Well, that was a mistake. As if on cue, the chicken entrail-studiers who pass for public health experts have announced that the mystical R number has gone above 1, and the MSM are pushing the “we’re all in danger” line.

This really looks deliberate. Like Toby, I used to be sure that the covid hyperreaction was down to ignorant, careerist groupthink rather than some plot. Now, I’m not so sure.

126921 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to mattghg, 32, #164 of 1466 🔗

The way the R number is used, the mystery over how it is calculated (clairvoyant at a fairground?) and the way we are never told what has made it go up or down is one of the aspects that suggests to me that this whole Covid hoo-haa has moved from the rational and the logical and assumed the character of a cult religion.
We must all tremble before the great spirit Covid, wear our facemasks in obedience and rush to the temple test centre if we have a slight cough. Except as I see it ‘the Emperor has got no clothes on!. We are warned that hospital cases and deaths will go up in a few weeks, there will be doom tomorrow but as far as i can see it is not happening? Covid 19 hospital cases and deaths are at a low level.

Am I correct in saying that, unless it is a condition of your employment (e.g. care worker) getting tested is voluntary? And that if everyone refused to get tested this whole pantomime would collapse? If so then we must do all we can to spread the word ‘DON’T GET TESTED’.

126942 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 16, #165 of 1466 🔗

We figured out months ago that R was make it up as you go along claptrap, perhaps in their focus group bubble they think we have forgotten.
Same goes for “there will be more hospital cases tomorrow, next week, next month” and that the Second Tsunami is crashing over walls tomorrow.
Give it a rest boris, tosser.

127000 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #166 of 1466 🔗

They’d need to write it into your contract. Also, even wearing a mask or stupid bracelet can be considered uniform. So check your contract as to what is said about what is expected to be worn.

127005 ▶▶▶ PaulParanoia, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #167 of 1466 🔗

There is no upside to an individual getting tested. If you test positive you have to isolate for 14 days. The government now also want to use testing to build a nationwide DNA and fingerprint database.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/391/contents/made

The only good coming from testing is that as numbers of cases increase without a similar increase in deaths, the CFR continues to fall.

127132 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #168 of 1466 🔗

I am sure they have not the slightest idea what the R number is, whether it is relevant today with such small numbers presenting at hospital, but it has been set up to scare people so they’ll use it.

126964 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to mattghg, 12, #169 of 1466 🔗

It’s deliberate, every step of this scamdemic has been planned! I feel the reason Bonzo hasn’t been removed yet is because of Brexit, now only 3 months off.

127097 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to mattghg, 7, #170 of 1466 🔗

I posted this a couple of days ago. I just can’t get it out of my head. Please tell me I’m wrong.

I see the discussions questioning the competence of Hancock or Boris. No. They are entirely competent. Just not the competence that we are thinking or expecting.
I read somewhere that this is ‘The Great Reset’. What a cosy phrase that is. Between 1 billion and 6 billion people need to die for it to be effective.
This is a hugely efficient machine of death that we are now staring in the face. This isn’t about the economy, or Brexit, or even about politics. It’s above all that. It’s even for our own good. Which is a bit of an oxymoron to say the least.
This is the SECOND HOLOCAUST. It is gathering momentum in its multiple ways, I predict hundreds of millions of deaths. Let the murders begin, oh they already have! Time for a cuppa…

127125 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Arnie, 1, #171 of 1466 🔗

Georgia Guide Stones spring to mind.

For months now I have been trying to get my acquaintances to wake up, but so far have begun to turn just one person; another asked to be taken off my email list. It seems we are in this battle all alone. Do we have a Horatio to help defend all we love and cherish?

https://www.bartleby.com/360/7/158.html

Mixing things up, let’s stop playing the fiddle while Rome burns.

127816 ▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to Arnie, 3, #172 of 1466 🔗

I agree completely with all but the Holocaust. Not the second Holocaust, the second Holodomor! Which makes the Holocaust sound like a trip to Disneyland by comparison, but that’s largely forgotten in history, which is incredible to me.

128248 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TyLean, #173 of 1466 🔗

Not forgotten by everyone TyLean, if anything it gets more attention now than the little ot recieved when I was st school.

127582 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to mattghg, 1, #174 of 1466 🔗

and the MSM are pushing the “we’re all in danger” line.

Did they just receive more money from The Gates Foundation?

126914 anon, replying to anon, 11, #175 of 1466 🔗

“Some good name suggestions from readers: Freedom Party, Liberty Party, Enlightenment Party, Democratic Freedom Party, Libertas, Liberal Party. Keep ’em coming.”

The RIGHT TO Party!

126918 ▶▶ annie, replying to anon, 10, #176 of 1466 🔗

The right to anything would be good.

126920 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to anon, 7, #177 of 1466 🔗

Rights are handed down by government and can be taken away. Liberties are innate and can only be suppressed by tyranny, viz johnsons current racket.

127010 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 2, #178 of 1466 🔗

OK, ring the Liberty Bell!

127965 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, #179 of 1466 🔗

According to the United States of America’s Constitution we have inalienable rights. Life, Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness.Top that.

127031 ▶▶ DeepBlueYonder, replying to anon, 3, #180 of 1466 🔗

Or just “Enlightenment”, rather than “Enlightenment Party”?

127181 ▶▶ Allan Gay, replying to anon, #181 of 1466 🔗

The Sceptical Party.

127202 ▶▶ wildboar, replying to anon, 2, #182 of 1466 🔗

The Sea Wall Party (SWAP) to defend us against second waves and illegal economic migrants and infiltrators.

127378 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to wildboar, #183 of 1466 🔗

Forming a political party is a complicated and expensive endeavour. The Brexit Party is the only recent successful example, and even that only worked as a pressure point on the Conservatives, never got seats except in EU Parliament. Better, I would hazard a guess, to support a campaign group which already has some organisation, infrastructure and funding. Liberty, the former NCCL, disgracefully late on the scene, might be worth supporting. Like all such, it has had its fails in the past, notably PIE in the 70s. Nobody’s perfect, but it knows a thing or 2 about campaigning.

128175 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bruno, #184 of 1466 🔗

Liberty is controlled opposition.

126923 irc, replying to irc, 13, #185 of 1466 🔗

It’s always really interesting to hear Lord Sumption speak on these issues and the legal aspects.The only problem is that the “Law” doesn’t seem to be all that we’ve been led to believe over the years if no one is interested in applying it and the government can freely operate outside of it on a whim. Why does it also take so long to get a hearing regarding these major issues when the issues involving Brexit were heard within a very short period. In both cases without having any knowledge of the law I could predict the outcome….

127380 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to irc, 2, #186 of 1466 🔗

Of course you could predict the outcome. It was patently obviously wrong to deny Parliament the opportunity to debate and vote on the issues, just like now.

126925 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 23, #187 of 1466 🔗

Ring a ring of morons,
Don’t think just put the mask on
Atishoo!Atishoo!
We all lock down

Very very fed up now: Sturgeon land is now a masked compliant collective.

126945 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to wendyk, 20, #188 of 1466 🔗

Baa baa johnson
have you any bull
Yes pleb, yes plep
Three masks full…

Over to you.

126955 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to karenovirus, 16, #189 of 1466 🔗

Eeny meeny miny moe,
Wear your mask and don’t say ‘no’
Eeny meeny miny moe
Hancock knows, he told you so.

127065 ▶▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to wendyk, 4, #190 of 1466 🔗

To the ‘wheels on the bus’ song. But must point your finger in rhythm as sung.
Hancock on his lectern says, ‘don’t do that, don’t do that, don’t do that!’
Hancock on his lectern says, ‘don’t do that!’
All day long.

Rishi on his lectern says,’ spend, spend, spend!’

Boris on his lectern …. any ideas.

127085 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Nsklent, 10, #191 of 1466 🔗

The covid tests go up and down,
Up and down
Up and down
The covid tests go up and down
One more lockdown

The rule of six is tosh,tosh,tosh
Tosh,tosh,tosh,
Tosh,tosh,tosh
The rule of six is tosh,tosh,tosh
One more lockdown

The covid marshalls what a joke,
What a joke,
What a joke
The covid marshalls what a joke
One more lockdown.

127396 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to wendyk, 1, #192 of 1466 🔗

Very good. Shared with guess that tune!

126926 JCuk, replying to JCuk, #193 of 1466 🔗

Political party suggestion: The free and the brave.

126961 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to JCuk, 3, #194 of 1466 🔗

The Living Party or just Living

126969 ▶▶▶ JCuk, replying to mhcp, 1, #195 of 1466 🔗

Nice as opposed to the zombie nation.

126970 ▶▶ JCuk, replying to JCuk, 1, #196 of 1466 🔗

Similar theme could be ‘Pioneers’.

126977 ▶▶ hat man, replying to JCuk, 6, #197 of 1466 🔗

How about the Conversative Party? That should lose the Tories some crosses on the ballot paper.

We stand for the ‘converse’ of the current situation, right?

126927 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 31, #198 of 1466 🔗

I’m grateful for the “rule of six”. It appears to be the straw that’s breaking the camel’s back. The challenge to this sounds the biggest yet, supported by media and justice. Hopefully business and medical will sing out more too…

126932 ▶▶ Sophie123, replying to Country Mumkin, 66, #199 of 1466 🔗

I’m not actually bothered by the rule of 6 thing at all, because I plan to completely ignore it. But like you, think hopefully it will be the last straw.

The masks are my biggest horror. I don’t understand why people have been so accepting of them. There is no scientific rationale for them. They cost money. They are polluting. They are uncomfortable. And most importantly, they may actually be harmful to health.

126939 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Sophie123, 30, #200 of 1466 🔗

They are also symbolic of obedience and conformity, like the costumes in a handmaid’s tale.

126943 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Martindale, 14, #201 of 1466 🔗

Yes, and that means that down here in the South of Cox’s constituency the people are just about 100% obedient and conformist. Very, very sad.

Society is sick all right, and it isn’t with covid.

126990 ▶▶▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to TJN, 8, #202 of 1466 🔗

And yet if I go in my local pub, Royal Oak Dolton, it sometimes feels like I am back in pre-Covid days. Mind you probably should not have said that, the Covid Marshalls will be calling in to check!
I do feel I tread of a bit of tightrope, the Covid atmosphere in the village is quite febrile and I am a Parish Councillor.

127240 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #203 of 1466 🔗

Well I’m not a pillar of the community, so I don’t have to bother!

And the thing is, when I go into the local shops I’ve no idea if anyone I know sees me unmuzzled, because I don’t recognise anyone behind the face nappies, or even look at them.

I don’t know if you are down Tavi way very often as we could say hello, and on the occasion I head towards Torrington or Bideford.

126946 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Sophie123, 11, #204 of 1466 🔗

Quite agree! I loathe them ,all they stand for, the dire consequences for normal behaviour and the mass acceptance.

126951 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sophie123, 20, #205 of 1466 🔗

I generally ignore maskoids, pretend they are not there. If one insists on engaging with me I may tell them the Covid can get in through their eyes so they need to wear a blindfold to be on the safe side.

126952 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Sophie123, 2, #206 of 1466 🔗

In our situation we cannot ignore the rule of six, which means our children can’t see their cousins.

126965 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Will, 10, #207 of 1466 🔗

Set up your home as a youth group with the only members being your kids and their cousins. Look at the govt site – there’s quite a few exemptions.

127721 ▶▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #208 of 1466 🔗

If I possibly could bend the rules I would completely ignore them but we simply can’t as we live and work on the campus of a boarding school. Interestingly everyone thinks the whole thing is a complete and utter load of bollocks but we simply cannot break any guidelines because we won’t be insured. I wonder how many others are in the same boat?

127868 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Will, 2, #209 of 1466 🔗

Or just designate your home as a local chapter of BLM or XR

126995 ▶▶▶ Paul Steward, replying to Sophie123, 5, #210 of 1466 🔗

I live in Cornwall and apart from in shops very few are wearing them in the street. However currently in Hertfordshire visiting family and I’m horrified by how many are muzzled in the open air, over 50% I’d say.

127050 ▶▶▶ Pum100, replying to Sophie123, 25, #211 of 1466 🔗

I wore my lanyard this week for the first time. I was nervous, and felt uncomfortable being different to the masked shoppers in the small Tesco, but made myself go in. I wore my sunglasses to block out any death-stares. As I queued to pay, a chap walked in wearing the same lanyard. We smiled, and he said “snap” as he walked past. This site gives me hope. I would not have had the confidence to decide to be ‘exempt’ it it was not for the facts I’ve read here. Thankyou.

127219 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Pum100, 2, #212 of 1466 🔗

I gave mine away to an elderly neighbour who had been bullied at his (mine also) GP practice who insisted that he would need a mask to get his flu jab at the cattle market later this month.

127426 ▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Pum100, 9, #213 of 1466 🔗

That prompts an idea. I live in Maidstone and if anyone here wants to shop maskless but is worried about confrontation etc contact me at charlesf1@live.co.uk and I will happily do my shop with you. I’ve been going maskless from the start and don’t even take my exemption card.

127781 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Pum100, 4, #214 of 1466 🔗

Glad to hear you’ve made the leap! I don’t go in shops since the masked trigger me, but I ride the bus every day to go to my allotment. I wear a lanyard and sit at the very back so that I don’t have to look at the masks. The drivers rarely wear them. I am usually the only other unmasked person. It’s hard to do, but really we must do it just to remind them of what normal looks like.

127869 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #215 of 1466 🔗

I do the same. If I’m travelling by underground, I try to sit at the very far end and always have something to read with me.

127974 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sophie123, #216 of 1466 🔗

I saw a young guy bicycling, wearing a mask.

126944 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Country Mumkin, 13, #217 of 1466 🔗

I agree, even lockdown zealots cannot ignore how illogical it is to allow 30 people at a wedding but only 6 at a birthday party.

126956 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #218 of 1466 🔗

Enforcement by Covid Martials* is a none starter, they will need to carry a baton or taser, leaving them just 5 digits with which to count.

*Martials, as suggested @LS, to indicate their military intent.

127007 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, 2, #219 of 1466 🔗

One, two, three … a lot.
Like counting ‘cases’.

127387 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to karenovirus, 1, #220 of 1466 🔗

Well yes, and also, where did this ‘marshalls’ spelling come from? It’s marshals. Norman French. The other, for some reason, always brings to mind marshmallows.

127021 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Country Mumkin, 8, #221 of 1466 🔗

I think more people will speak out as as the government grows ever more dictatorial and it impinges more on their lives. You notice more articles in the newspapers questioning the government’s diktat.

127786 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Bella Donna, #222 of 1466 🔗

The Daily Mail has them every day now. But also more commenters on the pro-mask side, although not usually enough to outweigh the antis.

Looking forward to the Guardian going down the same route, but hell may freeze over first.

128108 ▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #223 of 1466 🔗

Have also noted graffiti is spreading:
‘Covid Lies’ (Sidmouth)
‘Don’t be a sheep’ (Seaton).

Time to get the spray can out!

126930 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 13, #224 of 1466 🔗

Broadcast media dominated by Brexit yesterday, UK government breaking international law etc…..then, by the evening, the lead story: ‘R rate shoots up….etc’

Hmmm………

126962 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #225 of 1466 🔗

Sometime on Radio 2 a listener was quoted

“People who break the law should go to
prison. Boris Johnson has broken EU law so he needs to be in prison”. 🤔

Indeed he does but not for that reason. 😡

126967 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to karenovirus, 8, #226 of 1466 🔗

Double standards as they were happy for Gina Miller to use the same “Parliament is Sovereign” to try to stop Brexit!

127394 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to JohnB, #227 of 1466 🔗

Gina Miller was right, of course, as was the quoted R2 listener. No double standards there. Try the consistency of the rule of law for all, maybe?

127989 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to JohnB, #228 of 1466 🔗

Sovereign & Free Party

126933 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 21, #229 of 1466 🔗

The Government seem to be really pushing this Covid phone app,
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/businesses-urged-to-prepare-for-nhs-covid-19-app
They seem to imply that entry to many things will become dependent on having this app on your phone and having it checked.
More cult religious overtones, 666 the mark of the beast?

There seems no mention of the 21% of the population (including me) who do not have a smartphone.
Also no consideration for the people who cannot afford a phone each and share one phone for the whole family.

All of this seems like making things mandatory by the back door i.e. you can only have things or do things if you have the app.

126941 ▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Steve Martindale, 11, #230 of 1466 🔗

I think track and trace is a complete violation which needs to be abolished entirely, but it does say, ‘An alternative check-in method must be maintained to collect the contact details of those who don’t have the app, for example a handwritten register.’

126947 ▶▶ Will, replying to Steve Martindale, 9, #231 of 1466 🔗

I won’t be taking my phone to the pub until this lunacy is over.

126971 ▶▶ Telpin, replying to Steve Martindale, 13, #232 of 1466 🔗

What happened to our data protection legislation

127004 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Telpin, 1, #233 of 1466 🔗

And Gid, the trouble we had trying to comply with that bugger…

127054 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Telpin, 1, #234 of 1466 🔗

Probably died with the Covid.

127180 ▶▶▶ Alison9, replying to Telpin, 3, #235 of 1466 🔗

It’s gutting as in February I spent a good couple of hours I’ll never get back doing online training in data protection for my place of work!

126983 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #236 of 1466 🔗

We have the QRG’s here in our restaurants, pubs etc. My phones a dinosaur, so I ask for a pen! The tracking app the Federal gov encouraged everyone to download at the beginning of all this has not been successful in identifying one transmission, BUT what other data has it been successful in gleaning.

126984 ▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Girl down Under, 3, #237 of 1466 🔗

Not had any problems eating out etc without the app Steve.

127042 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Girl down Under, 3, #238 of 1466 🔗

A month ago one pub refused me entry because I didn’t have a smartphone to scan their QR code. But in general no problem, though it may change next week when it becomes mandatory.

127130 ▶▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to davews, 3, #239 of 1466 🔗

That’s appalling. I’d be telling them in no uncertain terms not to expect your custom when this is all over.

126987 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to Steve Martindale, 17, #240 of 1466 🔗

Well, just got rid of our smart phones. Bought 2 burner Nokias from a friend who dabbles in them. £10 sim card every few months, different number each time. Sorted!

127016 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to smileymiley, 7, #241 of 1466 🔗

That’s a great idea. My mobile spends most of its life turned off. My friends moan but my landline with answerphone works perfectly well.

127185 ▶▶▶▶ Alison9, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #242 of 1466 🔗

I tell my daughters (both in their twenties) to retrain their friends to expect slower replies from them – don’t be a slave to your own phone is my motto.

128143 ▶▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #243 of 1466 🔗

Me too, Bella. Landline and answerphone. Have never had a mobile phone.

127099 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to smileymiley, 3, #244 of 1466 🔗

I still use my old Nokia for calls and text, just, easier to use imho.

126996 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Steve Martindale, 4, #245 of 1466 🔗

I’m very attached to my 2nd hand Blackberry, which doesn’t do modern apps.

127059 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #246 of 1466 🔗

Same trick they pulled to get us to stop flying without having to make it illegal, tax it or impose air mile rationing.

Portugal’s turn on the naughty step today

127793 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to karenovirus, 3, #247 of 1466 🔗

It’s also working with the trains. I’ve considered and decided against taking a holiday within the UK this year. Looked at the rail websites and decided it sounded too dystopian for a nice week away.

127789 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Steve Martindale, #248 of 1466 🔗

Also no mention of those of us who’ll destroy our phones before allowing them to be used in this way.

127876 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #249 of 1466 🔗

I bought a smart phone to use on planes. Never again. A paper boarding card is much easier to use. Never use the smart phone now.

128028 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #250 of 1466 🔗

So no ID cards, but instead Health Passports.
What has become of Britain…

128196 ▶▶ rational actor, replying to Steve Martindale, #251 of 1466 🔗

Many Christian commentators have been arguing for some time that smartphones, or some feature associated with them, are The Mark of the Beast, rather than RFID implants, which was a popular idea for a long time. I think they are right. I need to get rid.

128198 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to rational actor, #252 of 1466 🔗

Why are you insulting Christians?

Christians are a lot more sane and rational than that.

126934 Will, replying to Will, 42, #253 of 1466 🔗

Sunetra Gupta nails it. We had a chance to get to the very low herd immunity threshold over the summer and we wet the bed. What a pathetic, spineless country we have become.

126999 ▶▶ annie, replying to Will, 24, #254 of 1466 🔗

THEY. Not WE.
I am not part of their bollox.

127116 ▶▶▶ Arnie, replying to annie, 1, #255 of 1466 🔗

Nor me!

127665 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, 1, #256 of 1466 🔗

The bollox didn’t just spring from the Earth like a Geyser, they’ve been building up for years… step by step.

127666 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to annie, 2, #257 of 1466 🔗

The Sex Pistols recorded a song about it over 40 years ago.

127229 ▶▶ wildboar, replying to Will, 9, #258 of 1466 🔗

The number of deaths attributed to Covid-19 started dropping rapidly in England in early July. That is because we reached HIT (Herd Immunity Threshold) at that time.

To reach HIT for a virus doesn’t mean that there will be zero deaths or infections – there will always be vulnerable people with compromised immune systems, who will fall to any passing virus – but that the great majority of the people have antibody or more likely T-cell protection and are perfectly safe to go about their daily business.

The Government ministers know that we have reached HIT but they have another agenda, so they will not admit that the viral danger is over.

Is it time for a military coup to restore normality and order while a new general election is organised?

127400 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to wildboar, 2, #259 of 1466 🔗

One poster here’s husband is in the military, she asked him the same question. He said you need a small group committed to the same aims, and the ability to bribe people. He thought she was joking.

128188 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Bruno, #260 of 1466 🔗

The other keys to a coup include – (i) having a replacement either in charge or immediately put in, who is totally on side; and who (ii) will assist in ensuring that nobody is ever subject to too much scrutiny or real threat of prosecution. Not sure any of the current bunch fit the criteria….

127420 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to wildboar, 5, #261 of 1466 🔗

I’ve been thinking a brief intervention by the military is the best solution. Clear out Parliament, scrap covid laws, Public Enquiry and when that’s done start again with fresh elections, but I just don’t think our military are up to it. I’m also disappointed in Her Majesty. OK – she stays out of politics because otherwise there may be a constitutional crisis. But what we are living through now is worse than a mere constitutional crises. It’s the total obliteration of our country, freedoms and way of life. We are at war, and we are losing! Is there a way constitutionally of approaching the Queen to request some sort of intervention?

126935 Emma, replying to Emma, 10, #262 of 1466 🔗

Small point on the transcription of Lord Sumption’s interview – I think he described Johnson as not ‘diligent’ enough, rather than not ‘intelligent’ enough.

127677 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Emma, #263 of 1466 🔗

Worse still he’s intransigent.
in•trans•i•gent ĭn-trăn′sə-jənt, -zə-►

  • adj.
  • Refusing to moderate a position, especially an extreme position; uncompromising.
  • Refusing to agree or come to an understanding; uncompromising; irreconcilable: used especially of some extreme political party. See intransigentist.
  • n.
  • Same as intransigentist.
126936 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 8, #264 of 1466 🔗

Another cracker from CEBM and Carl Heneghan.
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/when-is-covid-covid/

126948 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Margaret, 10, #265 of 1466 🔗

It’s funny. I’ve been saying this on the site for the last few months i.e. you need a specific set of symptoms and at least one unique combination to recognise a disease.

Not because I’m wise. It’s the definition from the Scientific Method. Plus add in Karl Popper’s ideas about falsifiability in that a hypothesis needs a negative condition to be a hypothesis. There must be a condition or conditions where failure disproves the hypothesis. If not it’s not a hypothesis.

This is what we’re taught in physics from day one.

127678 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to mhcp, #266 of 1466 🔗

Boris didn’t study Physics.

127029 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Margaret, 3, #267 of 1466 🔗

Such an important point, as how you define the disease and therefore case, you’d think would receive more airtime, but it doesn’t. Great work again by these guys.

127107 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Margaret, 7, #268 of 1466 🔗

This was concern when the first list of symptoms were published as an OR list rather than an AND list.
Each by itself proves nothing.
At the end of February I had a temperature of 38.4, a paramedic colleague looked at my throat- tonsillitis.
A child presents with a temperature- ear infection.
An adult presents with a temperature- take your pick.
Temperature has a low specificity.
Likewise, persistent cough- upper respiratory tract infection with post nasal drip, low specificity.
Change in sense of taste or smell could be tonsillitis again low specificity.
Of particular concern is the loss of sense of smell could indicate a problem with a cranial nerve, not to be dismissed lightly, and is potentially worse than CoViD19.

126938 Londo Mollari, replying to Londo Mollari, 30, #269 of 1466 🔗

Local comprehensive school has sent all of year 12 home to self isolate for 14 days because someone – unclear whether staff or students – tested positive for Covid. So, I can imagine when they return, somebody else testing positive will end with the year being sent home, and by spring, the students will have had maybe three days of school. How is this lunacy going to work itself out in power stations (for example)?

126958 ▶▶ hotrod, replying to Londo Mollari, 6, #270 of 1466 🔗

I suspect this rule will be changed this week. Else as you say it’s not going to work.
In France it’s already been dropped from 14 to 7 days.
That is is still hugely impactful but at least 50% better.

126985 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to hotrod, 9, #271 of 1466 🔗

“Not going to work”. None of this nonsense is “working”, but the government persist.

126988 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Julian, 3, #272 of 1466 🔗

But the end result won’ be a “gee whizz” moment, as with – for example – the Dangerous Dogs Act. This won’t work thing entails the collapse of society.

126949 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 40, #273 of 1466 🔗

My boycott list is getting longer and longer and longer…..

I think its sickening what the government is doing. In their stubbornness and refusal to admit that they’ve got this all wrong, they’re continuing to dig deeper and taking us down with them.

As the day grow shorter and eating al fresco is becoming an impossibility, what do they do? Force the hospitality sector to do their bidding to harvest data by coercion and by a single stroke nobble people’s rights and freedom to privacy and free assembly.

I can predict that with this diktat any gains made by pubs, restaurants and cafes from the Eat Out to Help Out scheme will be wiped out as people will simply stay away and resort to takeaways and deliveries. Or even M&S’s Dine in for Two offers.

And same goes with museums, heritage sites, cultural venues and family attractions.

This is no longer about a virus but about destroying the economy on a Carthaginian scale.

If people really care about their jobs and lives full stop they should be standing up and saying no to this continued nightmare.

The government and the rest of the Establishment have a lot to answer for. A plague on all their houses!

126953 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bart Simpson, 19, #274 of 1466 🔗

It was never about the virus, it was and is politically motivated . We have some autocratic lunatics making the decisions as to how we live, our new normal which isn’t normal at all.

126963 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bella Donna, 11, #275 of 1466 🔗

Exactly. They don’t like the fact that the Ordinary Joe has thwarted their will again and again and again through the ballot box. This is autocracy via the back door very much like the Metternich/Congress system.

127003 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #276 of 1466 🔗

I think Brexit is a part of this madness too, the elite loathe the fact we voted to Leave the EU which was against their wishes and despite all their lies and propaganda we ignored them. Add into the mix the green lobby zealots and you can see what they are up to. Absolute Control over every aspect of our lives.

127013 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #277 of 1466 🔗

Agree with you on that. The upper middle class have always loathed the plebs so what better way to exert control? Use this crisis to be able to do what they want with us.

127034 ▶▶▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Bella Donna, 9, #278 of 1466 🔗

I do not think the Cameron government even considered that the vote would go against staying in Europe. They had no idea what happens outside their circles.

127045 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Dave #KBF, 3, #279 of 1466 🔗

They’d won the referendum regarding PR, so thought they’d win the European one. As you (almost) said no idea what can happen in the real world.

127285 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Steve, replying to bluemoon, 2, #280 of 1466 🔗

We didn’t have a referendum on proportional representation. It was on some weird alternative vote system, which made little sense to me at the time and seemed to be rigged to prevent the conservatives ever gaining enough seats to form a government.

127026 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Bella Donna, 6, #281 of 1466 🔗

They just needed something to start the snowball effect and a deadly virus is perfect. MSM have been on message, combined with control of what goes out on social media the snowball is now rolling and we need to stop it.

Get off your knees (how very fitting during current times) and say NO before it is too late.

127044 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #282 of 1466 🔗

We need more of the likes of Henneghan and Sikora in the media, but I agree, the only way this will end is mass nation/worldwide protest on a huge scale.

127883 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #283 of 1466 🔗

True and more people need to speak out. Its great that the likes of Denise Welch, Will Carling and Jim Corr are also lending their voices to the sceptic cause but we need more.

I suspect the worm will turn when mass unemployment and bankruptcy hits. I’ve long thought that the only way now this will end is by violence.

127960 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Bart Simpson, 1, #284 of 1466 🔗

By then it could be too late.

127055 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Bart Simpson, 8, #285 of 1466 🔗

Bart, I couldn’t agree more. I think we have reached the stage at which the only response is total civil disobedience. No masks, no to track and trace, ignoring the one way systems in streets and shops and the sanitiser every five minutes and all the other nonsense – and loud objections in public when asked to comply. We are the defenders of liberty and we have got to stand up.

127227 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to charleyfarley, #286 of 1466 🔗

We’ve got vast great banners across the main streets advising Pedestrian one way systems, even maskoids ignore them.

127798 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to charleyfarley, 2, #287 of 1466 🔗

I’m still waiting to see people stop wearing masks on buses. I am usually the only maskfree person, besides the driver. Where are all these people who are complaining about masks? Or do they just moan and then put the stupid thing on and get on the bus. It really is hard being the only maskfree person I see.

127888 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to charleyfarley, 2, #288 of 1466 🔗

I visited Boots for the first time in 6 months and yeah, I was maskless, ignored the sanitisers and the social distancing stickers and whilst I was the only one unmasked I noticed that the others were not really sanitising or social distancing.

I agree with what you said and apart from civil disobedience we should continue to boycott shopping, eating out, going to the cinema, visiting museums, going on trips, etc – the more we hit these businesses in the pocket, hopefully they will develop the cojones to implore the government to end this insanity once and for all.

127993 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #289 of 1466 🔗

A Covid-19 on all their houses!

126960 Hubes, replying to Hubes, 17, #290 of 1466 🔗

Well that was a depressing read to start the weekend. I think I’ll have some time off from reading about it, as constant negativity isn’t good for anybody.

Enjoy your weekend folks.

126997 ▶▶ annie, replying to Hubes, 6, #291 of 1466 🔗

Quite right.
Let’s sound iff by all means, but ket’s not make ourselves miserable.
I’m off for a bike ride, during which I shall be sticking subversive stickers wherever I can.
And smiling. And waving. And, wherever possible, chatting.

127225 ▶▶▶ snippet, replying to annie, 2, #292 of 1466 🔗

I make a point of singing on my cycle commute along a canal towpath, smiling like a loony and saying hello to random people.

127800 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to snippet, 2, #293 of 1466 🔗

I’ve noticed that strangers are generally surprised when you say hello to them. It’s like they forgot that there are other human beings around.

126966 Jane in France, replying to Jane in France, 6, #294 of 1466 🔗

The office worker in today’s post who is horrified about what is in store back at the office mentions that friends in France have “all been back to their offices since June, all going back to the way it was before.” Up until recently that was more or less true (with workers turning up in groups on different days in many places to maintain distancing.) But that lull is over. Since about last Monday, office workers have had to wear masks at their desks all day long. (Like schoolchildren from age eleven up, masked all day at their desks.) My husband has worked from home for years, but the head office is in Paris and that’s what’s happening there and everywhere else. Recently they had a scaled-down, depressing version of the annual do, but even so it included a night club and karaoke. Well, would you believe it, someone tested positive for covid so now everyone is back working from home again. (I don’t know whether this leper actually had a bad hangover and thought he had better check, or whether testing is obligatoire after a night out. Or maybe even before.)

127440 ▶▶ Jane in France, replying to Jane in France, 2, #295 of 1466 🔗

Just in case anyone is interested in the circumstances of the positive test at my husband’s office, it turns out that the bloke had himself tested before the night out and the test came back positive a few days later. All his colleagues have been furious with him for going gallivanting before he knew the results of the test. Not necessarily because they’re lockdown zealots but because now in theory they all have to quarantine for fourteen days. (I say in theory because most people apparently don’t actually comply with the 14-day rule. In fact, there is talk of reducing the quarantine period to seven days to see if that might encourage quarantine-ignorers to be more obedient!) So the leper sent round an email to explain that since he lives with his elderly father he has been getting himself tested regularly for a while now, just in case, and the tests have always come back negative. He expected it would be negative this time too. First point, obviously he doesn’t feel ill or even have any symptoms. Secondly, if he expected the test to come back negative, why get tested at all? Especially just before a night out. I can see the colleagues’ point of view. Thirdly, why should he suddenly test positive? What has changed? I wonder if testing centres have started to ramp up the number of “amplification cycles.” In any case, before the PCR test was invented in the 1980s (and as has been pointed out, it was never intended to be used to diagnose illness) someone without any symptoms of illness would not have been considered ill.

126974 Yawnyaman, 1, #296 of 1466 🔗

Note that the link to the article on the vile LinkedIn doesn’t appear to work

126976 Paul Steward, replying to Paul Steward, 30, #297 of 1466 🔗

My immediate family of 10 (including 3 under 7) have no intention of complying with this ludicrous ‘rule of 6’, absolute rubbish.

126992 ▶▶ annie, replying to Paul Steward, 6, #298 of 1466 🔗

Well said. Family is the strongest bond on earth.

127068 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to annie, 3, #299 of 1466 🔗

Unless your BLM, who see family as a root cause of everything that’s wrong. That should reasonably be a reason to correctly challenge BLM, but nope we have organisations our “leaders” take the knee.

127164 ▶▶ snippet, replying to Paul Steward, 5, #300 of 1466 🔗

Form a playgroup. They’re exempt.

126979 End of Tether, 7, #301 of 1466 🔗

Yesterday, my 16 year old daughter came home from school with three of her friends to hang out. On Monday this will be illegal as there were 8 of us in total in the house.

126982 Biker, replying to Biker, 38, #302 of 1466 🔗

Just been out into enemy territory, no change. The new government we didn’t vote for still has control of the one we did. The masses are still complicit with the destruction of the country and the loss of our our rights but thankful they’ve got masks on so i can’t hear their pathetic whimpers of keep safe, keep safe. It’s terrible. Their faces are sadder than the lame donkey you can send three pounds a month so the imbecile who owns it won’t work it to death. I presume the three pounds is to send someone out to wherever it is to explain that working your donkey to death will result in the donkey dying. I think the real problem is a lack of education. Same goes for those with half cloth faces only i feel sorry for the donkey.
Far from more people joining us there are less. Everyone wears the mask, many are wearing them everywhere. Now when we’re out we’re singled out by our lack of mask. It’s the invisible yellow star (apologies to anyone offered by my crass use of a symbol which did so much harm to so many people but fuck it we are headed down a similar road). How long will you last before U2 put the mask on? Bono being perhaps someone who should have been wearing a mask his whole life. Though maybe Bono is a lockdown sceptic and a poster here, “Rich H” perhaps. In that case i salute his efforts. I enjoy his contribution perhaps as much as the person posing as George Smiley’s vivacious errant wife “Anne”. I think “Anne” may be another Pop Star, possibly Sinitta or maybe Sam Fox.
Don’t waste today worrying about the whole bizarre, possibly a horrendous new life under tyranny, don’t give another thought to the removal of our humanity. The people behind this have forgotten they are alive and part of the universe. They somehow think they’ll live forever if only they completely reject they are alive. They need you to feel dead so they can justify their belief that they’ll live forever and your fear or annoyance charge their dead souls. Ignore everything they say, do and ask you to do. Never test, never mask, never back down.
Now is the winter of dead souls, don’t join them.

126991 ▶▶ annie, replying to Biker, 24, #303 of 1466 🔗

Never test, never mask, never back down.

Our motto, our mantra, our resolution.
Yes, we get depressed, yes, we feel bad, but NO, we don’t give up.
Like the Resistance in Nazi Europe. A very few until the war was won. Then it turned out that everybody had been with them all along.

127014 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to annie, 12, #304 of 1466 🔗

The French resistance were some of the bravest people in the whole war. The choice of their leadership to acquiese resulting in being taken over by the Nazis is strangely pertinent now. The French get a bad rap with the cheese eating surrender monkeys tag but really it was choice of protectionism, and a bad one.

We the British have chosen the same protectionism and look what’s happening. A Medical Tyranny.

This whole situation has resulted in a few good things:

Greater respect and compassion for the Germans in the rise of the Nazis.
Greater compassion and understanding of the missteps taken by France, and how the situation was not “different” as we understand it.

127027 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to mhcp, #305 of 1466 🔗
127047 ▶▶▶▶ Gillian, replying to mhcp, 2, #306 of 1466 🔗

Not an historian, but did the French not get a bad rap not for just surrendering but for collaborating with the invaders and setting up a puppet government at Vichy. I believe the Vichy leaders were shot as traitors at the end of the war.

127056 ▶▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to Gillian, 3, #307 of 1466 🔗

Yes but that inevitably follows from the first act. As we will see with our Covid Marshalls. The slippery slope as it will. My point is that the mere fact of surrendering was seen like “Oh those French” when they were not unique as we can see now.

127276 ▶▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Gillian, 4, #308 of 1466 🔗

Portillo’s programme this week about how Sweden helped the German effort was very interesting. Whether they had much choice in the matter I’m not sure. I wish they promote it more as a history programme and not just another travelogue.

127363 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to kf99, 2, #309 of 1466 🔗

The Swedish viewpoint in WW2 was that if they didn’t sell their iron ore to the Germans, the Germans would invade and the iron ore would be taken anyway.

127235 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mhcp, 3, #310 of 1466 🔗

Some arse on Radio 2 yesterday comparing boris ‘breaking international law’ to Churchills decision to destroy the French Mediterranean Fleet
“at the cost of a Thousand French Lives!”
Didn’t actually say’war criminal’.

126993 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Biker, 1, #311 of 1466 🔗

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Living_Dead_(film_series)

These films show where we’re heading; we might just as well go for mass embalming-which would keep the funeral operators in business.

Save lives, stop breathing, embalm yourself and await the New Dawn.

127172 ▶▶▶ Jules, replying to wendyk, 7, #312 of 1466 🔗

Re watched Schindler’s List the other night. Some truly terrifying parallels. This incremental destruction of our value systems now has a life of its own and an endgame that few seem to comprehend…yet.

126998 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Biker, 5, #313 of 1466 🔗

In the hotel I’m in, staff do ask could you wear a mask in various things but you say you’re exempt and there’s no bother. I get the feeling that they are just following the current SOP rather than being zealots. I also sense that they know it’s horseshit and are just keeping on until it goes back to normal. That’s what I think is powering people – hope.

They will endure on hope that it will going back to normal. The trouble is that maintenance of the current state is ludicrous. There has to be a recognition that the hoops being jumped through are too much and that we have already reached an easy maintenance level where we can go back to normal.

Otherwise hope will prolong this. Basically like a religious cult.

127006 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Biker, #314 of 1466 🔗

Bono = Rich H ???? H for Hewson?

127049 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to mjr, 2, #315 of 1466 🔗

Don’t tell him but i’m Bob Geldof and i’m just messing with him

127001 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #316 of 1466 🔗

People cant seem to register that only, yes only, 870,000 have died worldwide, WITH, covid, and we have in the UK alone approx 500,000 die every year from a variety of diseases. The numbers should speak for themselves. Such is the power of propaganda

127072 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #317 of 1466 🔗

Dan, There is cognitive dissonance on a massive scale. In Simon Dolan’s email yesterday he said 2700 people a week are dying as a result of the lockdown, as opposed to covid. During the blitz about 43,000 were killed over an eight month period, which is about 1350 a week. I don’t know where Simon’s figure comes from but if true this means that our government is killing twice as many people a week as Hitler managed when this country was on its knees.
Put another way, 2700 is ten bad passenger plane crashes a week.

127156 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to charleyfarley, 4, #318 of 1466 🔗

I agree but those who are believing the covid hype are justifying by saying that a lot of other countries won’t say how many have died. They are selective in what they prefer to believe.

127090 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #319 of 1466 🔗

The Moonshine budget, if used for screening cancers, heart disease etc and improving care hygiene/practice in general, could perhaps make a real difference.

127002 mjr, replying to mjr, 11, #320 of 1466 🔗

So listened to Any Questions. Bit of Brexit but usual petty arguments about testing and rule of 6. Apparently according to the Conservative robotic bimbo Mims Davis… we are still saving the NHS. She said this twice. As i said yesterday my local hospital has ONE Covid patient (out of 161 occupied beds). Does this need saving?
Some sense from Christopher Snowdon (economist) linking cases to testing and asking what is the goal – what is the end game for us being released. And Mims just waffled. She had no answer.

127038 ▶▶ Gillian, replying to mjr, 16, #321 of 1466 🔗

Can’t listen to that programme, or any BBC output on news.

127190 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Gillian, 4, #322 of 1466 🔗

Yep, one big lie machine.

127075 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to mjr, 5, #323 of 1466 🔗

Oh God, I’m glad I don’t listen to or watch the BBC any more. If I’d seen that i’d probably be behind bars by now.

127104 ▶▶ Hampshire Sceptic, replying to mjr, 4, #324 of 1466 🔗

I didn’t hear Any Questions but Mims Davies used to be our MP before she pushed off to Sussex. The description of “robotic bimbo” and “just waffled” tells me she has not changed since she was Eastleigh’s MP.

127176 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Hampshire Sceptic, 4, #325 of 1466 🔗

to be honest those words apply to almost every MP and their performances

127009 PaulParanoia, replying to PaulParanoia, 14, #326 of 1466 🔗

Very worrying. The government now also want to use testing to build a nationwide DNA and fingerprint database.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/391/contents/made

127062 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to PaulParanoia, 8, #327 of 1466 🔗

What the F…….how is that necessary for Covid spread prevention ? While it’s not especially clear why / who or how I do think that this is a really big jump towards the end of free liberty (although we were close already). This needs much higher profile as a story.

127067 ▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Leemc23, 2, #328 of 1466 🔗

I mentioned the retention of DNA on a BBC hys a good couple of months’ ago now. I got a ton of downticks (which I think are a badge of honour on any BBC hys). I wonder if they’ll use the DNA/fingerprints for any other purpose, like, oh, solving crimes? Hope there’s no un-caught rapists or bank robbers out there …

127187 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Miss Owl, 2, #329 of 1466 🔗

Of course they will…remember – if it saves just one life…

128112 ▶▶▶▶ kelly81, replying to Miss Owl, #330 of 1466 🔗

Don’t worry, uncaught rapists and bank robbers, they won’t be after you. Government now only targets political undesirables for punishment.

128181 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Miss Owl, #331 of 1466 🔗

…until those pesky Russian hackers go at it again, & the data gets loose. I’m sure the Judge will understand, “Hey I’ve got absolutely no idea how my DNA got to this crime scene – computer says no?”

127092 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to PaulParanoia, 4, #332 of 1466 🔗

This information should go to TOBY and SIMON DOLAN

127175 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to PaulParanoia, 4, #333 of 1466 🔗

They can Foxtrot Oscar! I will rebel against any attempt to ‘own’ me.

127419 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Bella Donna, -1, #334 of 1466 🔗

Memo to drama queens. This was enacted in April 2020. Where were you then.

127429 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Bruno, #335 of 1466 🔗

The ostensible intent is to preserve DNA taken for use in evidence in trials, for more than the set period, given an expected delay in court hearings because lockdown.
Obviously it could be used in a more sinister way, hence – don’t get tested. This is one niche campaign we ought to be running, a commitment to the destruction of all genetic material harvested during the present testing regime. Something for Liberty.

127011 Ewan Duffy, replying to Ewan Duffy, 5, #336 of 1466 🔗

I’m not surprised about the cycle lanes if they are anything like the ones in Dublin, which are a joke. I cycle to work (WFH since March but I have been into the office a few times since then). Dublin City Council have installed a temporary “cycle lane” along the quays (for those who don’t know Dublin, it is divided north/south by the River Liffey and the north and south quays are a main artery into/out of the city centre).

Prior to this, I cycled along the bus lane (legal) and had right of way over traffic coming from side roads. The new cycle lanes have yield signs on the cycle lane at every road junction, making cyclists slow down/stop at each.

They have turned cycling into the city into a ridiculous and inefficient journey.

127019 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #337 of 1466 🔗

Sorry Ewan, have they put a cycle lane around the one way system on the Liffey? It’s bad enough driving in those tight lanes at the best of times. I wonder if Cork has done the same thing

127070 ▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to mhcp, 1, #338 of 1466 🔗

They have put one in on the north quay only (in fairness, the south quays are too narrow to have a continuous bus lane, let alone a designated cycle lane as well).

Another issue with the new “cycle lane” is that half way along, it flips side from the left hand side of the quay to the right hand side. This requires cyclists to move en masse from the left hand side of the road to the right hand side.

That the City Council’s chief executive is an ardent cyclist makes this even worse.

127028 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Ewan Duffy, 1, #339 of 1466 🔗

But the pubs are opening are they not? And with “cases” climbing more steeply than in Blighty.

Perhaps Mr. Martin et al have been more influenced by the mortality figures – reckless chappies.

127379 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Ewan Duffy, #340 of 1466 🔗

When our our road gangs came back out three weeks into lockdown they ignored the numerous works they had abandoned March 23rd and busied themselves implementing the bus and cycle lanes only schemes that had been on the books for years but always failed to pass the budget agreed by elected councillors

In effect a coup by the paid officials.

127015 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 7, #341 of 1466 🔗

If Kary Mullis, the inventor of the PCR test had not died in August 2019, do you think we would be in the mess we are in at the moment? He would surely be shouting from the rooftops that the tests were never meant to be diagnostic in the first place.

127087 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Margaret, 4, #342 of 1466 🔗

He said it but it is ignored

127124 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Margaret, 2, #343 of 1466 🔗

There has been quite a large number of deaths within certain areas of scientific studies in recent years. Worldwide. Strange circumstances. 40 or more. Searching can reveal summaries of the phenomenon in some science publications.

127243 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Margaret, 1, #344 of 1466 🔗

I doubt he would and it doesn’t make any difference. Just because he invented the test doesn’t mean he owns it and all facts relating to it for ever. The test does what it does very well (although not perfectly of course) and certainly can be used for diagnosis by people who know what they’re doing.

127020 Sceptic-on-Sea, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 53, #345 of 1466 🔗

Just been on the village Facebook page (I know, I know..). They are up in arms. Someone has removed and destroyed all the COVID signs on the local playground.

Viva la revolucion?

127024 ▶▶ Gillian, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 6, #346 of 1466 🔗

I bet you did it, Sceptic!

127061 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Gillian, 4, #347 of 1466 🔗

And if you did not do it, you have a secret ally in the village.

127083 ▶▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Dave #KBF, 10, #348 of 1466 🔗

“The Village.” We all live in “The Village.” The Rule of Six. Who is Number One?

127120 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Londo Mollari, 3, #349 of 1466 🔗

I know who isn’t number one.

127809 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Londo Mollari, 1, #350 of 1466 🔗

And now I realise why the number six felt so familiar and so ominous. Remember The Prisoner starring Patrick McGoohan. His character’s name was Number Six. Interesting explanation for the arbitrary number chosen.

127053 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 10, #351 of 1466 🔗

We will fight them in the playgrounds… etc.

127691 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Mr Dee, #352 of 1466 🔗

Here in Quebec many playground facilities are separated by age.

127105 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 2, #353 of 1466 🔗

Sceptic on sea indeed. I fancy a pleasant second cup of tea is to be had this fine sunnny morning.

127689 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Sceptic-on-Sea, 1, #354 of 1466 🔗

I’ve been thinking of buying a water pistol and squirting different colours of ink…

127023 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #355 of 1466 🔗

Did I hear that “cases” / infections are now doubling every week?

From a standing start of 3,000 today – would that not mean the whole population is infected by Christmas?

Would some one like to check my maths?

127036 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #356 of 1466 🔗

I think you need to look at positive tests as a proportion of all tests carried out

Raw numbers are meaningless

By my calculations the 7 day rolling average of that % has indeed doubled in the last week – this may be due to a change in who is being targeted for testing

Bear in mind it’s from a low base – the 7 day rolling average for most of July and August was around 0.5%. I now make it around 1.3%

You also need to take into account whether these “cases” are ill people or not. If they are not, the evidence suggests it’s not that important

127813 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Julian, #357 of 1466 🔗

It’s also a basic piece of mathematical illogic – assuming any rate of growth will carry on indefinitely. It’s within the normal scope of biological organisms to stop. Otherwise we’d all be 150 feet tall. Or the whole world would be filled with e coli.

128053 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Ned of the Hills, #358 of 1466 🔗

It takes just under 4 weeks for something to go from 1 to 66 million if it doubles every day.

127037 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 23, #360 of 1466 🔗

Delusion vs Reality

Delusion

There is going to be a second wave

The second wave arrived in Leicester as evidenced by the sharp increases in cases. The lock down in Leicester saved many lives

The dictator and handy cock are going to save the whole country from the second wave. This will be achieved by imposing their new ‘super simple’ rule of six

Reality

There is no second wave. There never will be a second wave

The PCR test results are not worth the paper they are written on.

During the saving of Leicester hospital admissions rose by one.

Conclusion

It is not clear to me if the dictator and handy cock are delusional or just lying through their teeth in order to save their political skins

Mad or Bad? Either way it’s not going to have a happy ending

The Yorkshire ripper tried the “I’m mad” line. The jury saw through it. Perhaps that argument is the last refuge of mass killers

I do know one thing however. If a psychopath says to you “It breaks my heart to do this to you, but….. “. Be worried, very, very worried

127086 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cecil B, 3, #361 of 1466 🔗

Great post

127100 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Cecil B, 2, #362 of 1466 🔗

Can se use the Yorkshire ripper to have a rummage through the cabinet?

127142 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Basics, 3, #363 of 1466 🔗

I think he’s indisposed at the mo

127381 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, #364 of 1466 🔗

They really do think we are all stupid.

127694 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #365 of 1466 🔗

They think that we are more stupid than they are.

127046 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 16, #366 of 1466 🔗

Surely the first thing that should be asked when receiving a positive for Covid result is how many cycles were used and is the person exhibiting symptoms? If you are going to isolate for 2 weeks or whatever you need to make sure that the result is valid to at least some criteria.

Otherwise it just sounds like the Witchfinder General pointing at a random girl and shouting “Witch!!!!”

127136 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mhcp, 5, #367 of 1466 🔗

I’ve wondered this too. Could you seek the full lab result? Surely it’s part of your medical data?

127222 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #368 of 1466 🔗

The only thing that I’ve seen in GP medical notes is the date of the test and whether positive or negative. There doesn’t appear to be any quantitative data.

127817 ▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to mhcp, 1, #369 of 1466 🔗

Wait until they start doing 10 million tests a day. Tens of thousands of witches.

127048 Basileus, replying to Basileus, 36, #370 of 1466 🔗

Had an interesting experience in the coffee shop yesterday. I encountered a few sceptics, and one was a paramedic. She said her boss had asked if she would be prepared to administer the Covid vaccine and she said she refused. Simply too risky with an untested vaccine. She said her colleague did the same. Brave people as it may cost them their jobs. Passed on the LockdownSceptics web address as she had not heard of it. Vive la revolution!

127109 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basileus, #371 of 1466 🔗

Well done, spread the word

Will New COVID Vaccine Make You Transhuman?

  • The goal of the transhumanist movement, or “Human 2.0,” is to transcend biology into technology, to meld human biology with technology and artificial intelligence
  • Right now, today, we may be standing at the literal crossroads of transhumanism, thanks to the fast approaching release of one or more mRNA COVID-19 vaccines
  • COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are designed to instruct your cells to make the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. It does this through a process called transfection, which is also used to create genetically engineered organisms
  • Transfection can have either temporary or permanent effects on the genome, and it is unclear how the COVID-19 vaccines may affect the human genome long-term
  • In 2019, researchers discovered the 2009 pandemic swine flu vaccine Pandemrix caused narcolepsy by affecting a non-coding RNA gene that regulates the production of glial cell line-derived neurotrophic factor, a protein that plays an important role in neuronal survival. If a conventional vaccine can have genetic effects, the risk of mRNA vaccines having genetic effects is bound to be even greater

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/09/12/coronavirus-vaccine-transhumanism.aspx

127111 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basileus, 2, #372 of 1466 🔗

The Swine Flu Fraud of 1976
We can also learn from the swine flu fiasco of 1976, detailed in this 1979 “60 Minutes” episode. Fearing a repeat of the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, “the government propaganda machine cranked into action,” “60 Minutes” says, telling all Americans to get vaccinated.

According to “60 Minutes,” 46 million Americans were vaccinated against the swine flu at that time. Over the next few years, thousands of Americans filed vaccine damage claims with the federal government. As reported by Smithsonian Magazine in 2017:

“In the spring of 1976, it looked like that year’s flu was the real thing. Spoiler alert: it wasn’t, and rushed response led to a medical debacle that hasn’t gone away.

‘Some of the American public’s hesitance to embrace vaccines — the flu vaccine in particular — can be attributed to the long-lasting effects of a failed 1976 campaign to mass-vaccinate the public against a strain of the swine flu virus,’ writes Rebecca Kreston for Discover.

‘This government-led campaign was widely viewed as a debacle and put an irreparable dent in future public health initiative, as well as negatively influenced the public’s perception of both the flu and the flu shot in this country.’”

A 1981 report by the U.S. General Accounting Office to Sen. John Durkin, D-N.H., reads, in part:

“Before the swine flu program there were comparatively few vaccine-related claims made against the Government. Since 1963, Public Health Service records showed that only 27 non-swine flu claims were filed.

However, as of December 31, 1979, we found that 3,839 claims and 988 lawsuits had been filed against the Government alleging injury, death, or other damage resulting from the 45 million swine flu immunizations given under the program.

A Justice official told us that as of October 2, 1980, 3,965 claims and 1,384 lawsuits had been filed. Of the 3,965 claims filed, the Justice official said 316 claims had been settled for about $12.3 million …”

The devastating side effects of the Pandemrix vaccine should be instructive. No one anticipated a flu vaccine to have genetic consequences, yet it did. Now they’re proposing injecting mRNA to make every single cell in your body produce the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.

It seems outright foolish not to assume there will be significant consequences. Perhaps even transhumanistic ones? The 1976 swine flu hoax is equally instructive, in that it demonstrates the long history of mass vaccination campaigns causing far more harm than good.

https://youtu.be/TpLF5UwUDoo

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/09/12/coronavirus-vaccine-transhumanism.aspx

127051 NickR, replying to NickR, 31, #373 of 1466 🔗

As sceptics we haven’t advocated zero covid, most of us believe it’s a nasty illness which can, if you’re old or have other severe illnesses, kill you, like the flu or any number of illnesses.
We believe that you can suppress infection but that in the absence of an unlikely, 100% effective & provenly safe vaccine it will eventually infect everyone up to the level where herd immunity naturally suppresses it.
Thus we believe most NPI (non-pharmaceutical interventions) are ineffective long term.
We believe we may try to suppress the virus if the NHS was in danger of being overwhelmed, but the NHS is underwhelmed!
We believe the cost in other lost lives, the immiseration of the population and the restrictions on personal freedom are not worth the futile cost of attempting to, Canute like, hold back the virus.
There may be more infections, some increase in hospitalisations, some deaths but not at a level that justifies all this & those deaths would end sooner if we get to herd immunity (probably already reached in London) sooner rather than later.

127066 ▶▶ Gillian, replying to NickR, 4, #374 of 1466 🔗

That’s an excellent summary of our beliefs, should be called The Sceptics Creed, to be recited in the morning and at the going down of the sun.

127069 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NickR, 4, #375 of 1466 🔗

Very well put

Also the NPIs that have been employed are more or less unprecented in modern history, and as such unorthodox and potentially dangerous. Up to the advocates of those measures to make a convicing case why they are necessary, in light of evidence. THEY are the cranks, not us

128115 ▶▶▶ kelly81, replying to Julian, #376 of 1466 🔗

http://www.upmc-biosecurity.org/website/resources/publications/2006/2006-09-15-diseasemitigationcontrolpandemicflu.html

Donald A Henderson mansterminded the defeat of smallpox, and in the above paper he presents clear opposition to NPIs. I will henceforth, I wish I’d found this paper earlier to act upon, be taking the word of the man who BEAT SMALLPOX over the word of lunatic modellers who think that their “millions and millions of deaths” predictions are anything other than psychotic delusions.

127093 ▶▶ Basileus, replying to NickR, 9, #377 of 1466 🔗

I was inspired to edit this summary slightly and add some other points with the view to making it the text for a leaflet. Here is my effort, but please comment and amend if necessary.

As sceptics we believe Covid can be a nasty illness and, if you’re old or have other severe illnesses, it can kill you, just like the flu or any number of illnesses.

We believe that you can suppress infection but that in the absence of an unlikely, 100% effective & provenly safe vaccine it will eventually infect everyone up to the level where herd immunity naturally suppresses it.

Thus we believe most non-pharmaceutical interventions, such as distancing or wearing a mask are ineffective long term.

We do not accept that positive test results for the presence of the virus can be described as ‘cases’. In medicine a case requires the presence of symptoms and the vast majority of those who test positive are asymptomatic and will remain so.

We believe that figures for Covid related deaths should be understood in the context of total deaths. In the UK about 1600 people die every week from various causes. Covid deaths only amount to around 1% of this total. More people die in road accidents than die of Covid. Currently 10 times more people die of influenza and pneumonia than die of Covid.

We believe it was right to try to suppress the virus if the NHS was in danger of being overwhelmed, but the NHS is currently underwhelmed!

We believe the cost in other lost lives, the immiseration of the population and the restrictions on personal freedom are not worth the cost of the futile attempt to hold back the virus.

There may be more infections, some related hospitalisations, and some deaths, but not at a level that justifies these draconian measures.

127153 ▶▶▶ dpj, replying to Basileus, 4, #378 of 1466 🔗

Minor correction – is the average figure of 1,600 deaths in UK not daily rather than weekly?

127162 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to dpj, #379 of 1466 🔗

You are right it should read daily.

127278 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Bella Donna, #380 of 1466 🔗

Yes you are right.

127254 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Basileus, 2, #381 of 1466 🔗

Road deaths are about 1,700 per year (interestingly, if you’re interested in this sort of thing) with the exception of the war years when the street lights were turned off, the highest year for road deaths was 1928 when there were about 1m cars rather than the 30m today. Now, that’s quite an instructive thing about relative risk. As a kid I walked or cycled to school, yet roads were far, far more dangerous than today. Between 1950 & 1970 excess winter deaths exceeded 60,000 in 10 of those years & the population was 30% lower than today.
It’s all about the Overton window!
So, your claim about 1,600 deaths should be daily & your statement about road deaths is wrong.

127263 ▶▶▶▶ dpj, replying to NickR, 2, #382 of 1466 🔗

If they are applying statement to just people who did not already have a serious illness covid deaths is currently sitting at 1,394 so is less than road deaths. As long as that distinction is made can still say this.

127284 ▶▶▶ Basileus, replying to Basileus, 1, #383 of 1466 🔗

about 1600 people die every week day

127404 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Basileus, 1, #384 of 1466 🔗

450 of those today will be from cancer, probably be 500 this time next year because lockdown.

127699 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Basileus, #385 of 1466 🔗

Etta James, Something’s got a hold on me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPjQ7iK5GVI

127170 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to NickR, 2, #386 of 1466 🔗

Agree with just about everything you say but I am a sceptical on “herd immunity “. If we have mass testing, I suspect we will find that the infection doesn’t go away but is circulating at a low level on a constant basis as it mutates. I think herd immunity as we call it is a new misnomer. It really just indicates when you get to the situation where all the vulnerable people have died from an infection.

127221 ▶▶ Melangell, replying to NickR, 4, #387 of 1466 🔗

While I agree with all these points, I am very uncomfortable with the word “believe.” It implies that our perspective is not based on factual evidence, but on a belief system or an opinion. I get very irritated when I try to convey some of the latter to people who then lament, “I don’t know what/who to believe!” The amazing and courageous people on this blog and elsewhere in the non-mainstream media have been exposing the coronascam for 6 months now, tirelessly and consistently pointing out what is REALLY going on whether from empirical scientific and statistical evidence and/or experiences in their daily lives. I can only offer so much by way of proof to such people verbally, and I always offer to send them links to the evidence but of course no-one is interested. Beliefs operate only in a religious context.

127082 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Cecil B, 1, #389 of 1466 🔗

No, but Walesonline is notorious disinfo.

127435 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Londo Mollari, #390 of 1466 🔗

all the local news producers (paper and online) are full of disinformation as they have embedded BBC journalists …. This was covered here a couple of weeks ago.
They have the nerve to call this the Local Democracy Reporting Service
Wales has 11 of the buggers.. There is a pdf linked and last page of this shows the wales allocation .

127064 PoshPanic, 5, #391 of 1466 🔗

Reposting this again, as requested by Matt for a higher res version. Hopefully the link will work..

https://imgur.com/tksc8GK

127071 Angela Lambert, replying to Angela Lambert, 30, #392 of 1466 🔗

I feel like I am in the middle of ‘The Emperor’s New Clothes’, where almost everyone around me cannot see beyond what the BBC is telling them. I just want to be free to live my life and take my chances. I am furious that we are being controlled in this way and that virtually everyone I know accepts it.

127157 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Angela Lambert, 6, #393 of 1466 🔗

It’s partly because of a general ignorance about how our bodies work. We know about the BBC’s misinformation campaigns (aka the news) but think also about how the BBC must pump out 500 wildlife documentaries for every one that explains how the human body actually works. Without our immune systems we are dead meat and all the
medical teams in the world can’t save you. But people have been brainwashed into thinking the NHS is key to keeping us alive.

127705 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to OKUK, 1, #394 of 1466 🔗

Public Health is the new religion.

127251 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Angela Lambert, 6, #395 of 1466 🔗

I feel exactly the same, I am getting so uptight that I don’t know how to get rid of my anger. My family all except what this cruel and idiotic government is doing and I can’t believe how compliant most people are.

127073 hotrod, replying to hotrod, 3, #396 of 1466 🔗

Some context in stats.

There has been a growth in positive PCR test results of 278% between 26th August and Thursday 10th September.

On the 26th August there were 63 people in the UK on Ventilators (we need to think of those people as people and not just stats).

On the 10th September there were 80 people on ventilators.

August 26th there were 11 deaths.

September 10th there were 4.

Bearing in mind the increase in cases….

127080 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to hotrod, 3, #397 of 1466 🔗

Great information thanks.

Why do they still put people with COVID-19 on ventilators? It is contraindicated, damages lungs and reduces the chance of recovery.

127133 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 1, #398 of 1466 🔗

From the Noryhern Ireland stats, people in vents with CV-19 vs non CV-19 is 1 in every 50 currently. Oh we just locked down Belfast City again. 3 people died this week with CV-19 out of around 300 in total. It was 4 the previous week.

127141 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Victoria, 4, #399 of 1466 🔗

They might have another condition that calls for a vent

127081 ▶▶ Julian, replying to hotrod, 2, #400 of 1466 🔗

According to my figures the rolling 7 day average of positive tests per test performed was around 0.6% as at 26th August and 1.32% as at September 10th.

We are probably a little bit behind Sweden in terms of herd immunity, especially in places that may have observed distancing more diligently and who locked down a bit earlier relative to how far the virus had spread

127102 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to hotrod, #401 of 1466 🔗

What is the typical variation of people on ventilators at this time of the year? is it a useful metric?

The PCR tests are a different matter as an established baseline for how they are performed hasn’t been done.

127217 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to hotrod, #402 of 1466 🔗

Isn’t there evidence that ventilators do more harm than good as the act of intubation causes an inflammatory response?

127369 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to p02099003, #403 of 1466 🔗

No, it is because they force the oxygen into the lungs and this is contraindicated when suffering with Covid, that some scientists/doctors call a vascular disease, clots in blood etc

127074 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #404 of 1466 🔗

Final chance to join the Lockdown Sceptics FPL private league before the season starts:

https://fantasy.premierleague.com/leagues/auto-join/ybj6s2

Thank you to those already entered.

127129 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #405 of 1466 🔗

In

127077 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 10, #406 of 1466 🔗

A work colleague went to visit her mum, who she has not seen since w/c 16 March, because she is in a “care home” and visits have be verboten. Anyway after the the visit She called on Monday to arrange more visits. Unfortunately they now have cv19 so are in lockdown for the foreseeable future.

I have no words.

127128 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Dave #KBF, 7, #407 of 1466 🔗

Time to get angry. If you acquiesce at that point, when will you.

By angry I mean not violent. But start getting your personal pain know to anyone that will listen.

127150 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #408 of 1466 🔗

That’s strange the same thing happened at my mother in law’s care home.

127860 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Bella Donna, #409 of 1466 🔗

I’m not sure strange is the correct word.

127078 Nsklent, 10, #410 of 1466 🔗

‘When a man is denied the right to live the life he believes in, he has no choice but to become an outlaw.’
‘Courage is not the absence of fear, but triumph over it.’ Nelson Mandela.

127079 ianric, replying to ianric, 8, #411 of 1466 🔗

Some time ago I raised the issue of asymptomatic spread of coronavirus to which I received a good response as per the link https://www.lockdowntruth.org/post/comments-from-lockdown-sceptics-1 .  I feel this is a crucial issue which needs to be explored again. With illnesses the normal attitude is to treat healthy symptom free people as disease free and sick symptomatic people as having a disease and it is only people have who feel unwell and have symptoms which need to quarantine. In the current climate this attitude doesn’t exist as no distinction is made between healthy symptom free people and unhealthy symptomatic people. The attitude of governments is that everyone is  infected and will spread the disease. I feel this attitude is at the root of the social and economic disaster we face today. Treating everyone as infected has resulted in the following problems.

1)    The entire population must face the same draconian rules. The UK population is 66 million and the whole population has been placed under house arrest and were subject to nasty draconian restrictions.
2)    Vast numbers of businesses were forced to close on the assumption all staff and customers were infected.
3)    The population has been terrified and people see everyone as a walking biohazard. I have heard about people who jump out of the way to avoid people. I have had several occasions where people told I was too close to them.
4)    The idea everyone being infected is used by lockdown zealots to attack people who don’t toe the line and brand them as selfish disease spreaders eg crowds on the beach, protestors, people who break lockdown rules and calling them covididiots.
5)    Even when businesses were allowed to re-open the fear everyone was infected made people reluctant to use go into restaurants, pubs and shops which was an additional blow to businesses not being operate for long periods.

The justification for classing everyone as infected and applying the same laws to everybody was the possibility of asymptomatic spread. In view of this the issue of whether asymptomatic spread is real is critical. Without the idea of asymptomatic spread, the case for installing rules which apply to everyone would be difficult to justify, people wouldn’t be terrified of each other and healthy people could go about their business without being vilified as disease spreaders. To update the response I received to my previous post I would like to ask the following questions

1)    Do you feel the idea of asymptomatic spread is credible or are governments lying about it and using as justification for draconian measures and frightening the population? I am not a scientific expert but I would have thought that two things would go against asymptomatic transmission. Firstly, a person with no symptoms would have a lower viral load than someone with symptoms as higher viral load would be needed to develop symptoms. How much viral load is necessary to spread coronavirus?  Secondly, unlike a symptomatic person an asymptomatic person wouldn’t cough or sneeze which would prevent the transmission of droplets.
2)    If an asymptomatic person doesn’t cough or sneeze, the only way an asymptomatic person would produce droplets is through breathing and talking. Is there any research on this and would breathing and talking produce the same amount of droplets as coughing and sneezing.
3)    Could anti lockdown campaigners seek scientific opinion to rebut asymptomatic spread once and for all.

I have researched the internet and there are mixed messages about asymptomatic spread. As per the link below Dr Anthony Fauci argues asymptomatic spread is not a factor in spreading the disease.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1orSO094uY

127126 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to ianric, 5, #412 of 1466 🔗

He is just reflecting the literature with his statement. History tells is that asymptomatics are not the place to focus your attention as they are not the main driver of infection.

I don’t honestly know if there is sufficient evidence to suggest otherwise in this case, for the first time ever. I suspect its been used to bend the narrative to support lockdowns which we have also never used as a tactic in the whole history of pandemics.

127179 ▶▶ Will, replying to ianric, 3, #413 of 1466 🔗

My question around asymptomatic transmission is, who benefits from the promulgation of such a concept?

The politicians, their advisers etc who wildly exaggerated the dangers of the disease, which led to the fatal decision, repeated in nearly every country, to empty the hospitals of sick people, into the care homes, NEED the fig leaf of asymptomatic transmission to cover their appalling decision.

There is no such thing as asymptomatic transmission.

127368 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Will, 2, #414 of 1466 🔗

Agree. Asymptomatic is a false positive Covid test and this terminology is used to scare people

127189 ▶▶ Julian, replying to ianric, 4, #415 of 1466 🔗

It’s a good question, and if the answer is that it’s not a thing then our case is stronger

But even if there is such a thing, let’s say in limited form, the measures taken do not justify the danger

The virus is demonstrably NOT exceptional

No other argument really required

127453 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Julian, 1, #416 of 1466 🔗

I don’t care, because if it isn’t spread by asymptomatics it means they’ve already had it and are immune, or pre symptomatic which means they can carry on spreading it thus engendering herd immunity. Either way it is spreading inexorably, which we should all be jolly glad about in the summer. Most will recover without harm, some will, as ever, be treatable with steroids, Iv plasma etc, and a few elderly, demented and frail will still die.

127979 ▶▶ ianric, replying to ianric, #417 of 1466 🔗

I will use a comparison to illustrate how disastrous treating everyone the same can be. Lets say the government decides that all restaurant owners who don’t breach hygiene regulations will be treated the same way as those who breach hygiene regulations. All restaurant owners have to pay hefty fines and are banned from trading for six weeks. As a result of this many restaurants go bankrupt which has has a knock effect on suppliers and workers loose their jobs. When restaurants re-open many are reluctant to eat in restaurants as all restaurant owners are seen as hygiene rule breakers and all restaurant owners are vilified.

A major problem with national lockdowns is that they are blunt instruments and treating infected an non infected people the same is not the only reasons for this. When a national lockdown was introduced areas with a low number of cases were lock downed the same as an area with a high number of cases. Areas of low population density where there was less chance of the disease spreading were treated the same way as areas of high population density where there was greater chance of the disease spreading. When businesses were forced to close, no consideration was given as to the characteristics of businesses. For instance, small restaurants were customers being close together was unavoidable were treated the same way as large restaurants were customers could easily be placed far apart.

127084 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 4, #418 of 1466 🔗

All Together Party

127155 ▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Victoria, #419 of 1466 🔗

That’s a great name….

It works so well…. I love it

127089 Angela Lambert, replying to Angela Lambert, 32, #420 of 1466 🔗

I feel so alone with my views and whenever I speak to someone who feels as I do, the sense of relief is huge. If I put an alternative view on Facebook, I get so much aggression, that I feel like we are living in a police state. It is criminal and I am so relieved to have this website to tell me that my views are valid and sensible.

127121 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Angela Lambert, 11, #421 of 1466 🔗

And there would be many with you in Australia, Angela, sharing similar frustration and helplessness . You are not alone. As you say, the sense of relief to be amongst likeminded individuals on this site is very reassuring.

127122 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Angela Lambert, 3, #422 of 1466 🔗

Me too.

127123 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Angela Lambert, 7, #423 of 1466 🔗

Facebook is extremely volatile and not reflective of how people would respond to you in person. So avoid trying to air truths there to any great extent. In particular, trying to debate this stuff online is extremely limited and it bounces all over the place. A lot of effort gets wasted for nothing.

Write to your MP. Engage with your family and friends who love and respect you. You will be thanked in the end. It’s not about being right but just challenging views of those who feel they know best.

127289 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to Angela Lambert, 2, #424 of 1466 🔗

Social media is compromised. Didnt the military come on one of those daily Covid briefings explaining they are active on FB and the like?
Dont do yourself in Angela, I think each one of us have had some “bad days” during these past few months.

127457 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Templeton, #425 of 1466 🔗

It’s like people always used to say when TV was new. There’s an off switch.

127648 ▶▶ annie, replying to Angela Lambert, 3, #426 of 1466 🔗

Keep off Facebook and Twitter.They are foul poison.

127969 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to annie, #427 of 1466 🔗

Especially Facebook. At least I’ve found like minds on Twitter but not on on Facebook – one of them already using Christmas a a way to guilt trip people.

127091 Basics, replying to Basics, 11, #428 of 1466 🔗

Sumpton’s amazingly spoken sentences. A fantastic assessment worth drawing attentions of otherd to. The government has avoided using certian more suitable acts which require parlimentary scrutiny and/or have a 7 or 30 day sunset inbuilt. Even the emergency corinavirus act has not been invoked to put us in lockdown but to carry out the INSANE levels of spending/wasting.

It’s so well spoken and written really useful to share the article up there above.

The attourney general is one for the coming reckoning. Heads need to bouce a few times then roll.

127481 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Basics, #429 of 1466 🔗

Spot on there, Basics. She’s a piece of work. She drafted the Corona Virus Acts and the Public Health Regs hanging off them.

‘Braverman has also sparked controversy in legal circles. She has called for the UK to “take back control, not just from the EU but from the judiciary”, challenged the Human Rights Act, and complained that “judicial review has exploded since the 1960s”.
At the time of the Article 50 and prorogation legal actions, Simon Davis, president of the Law Society of England and Wales, said: “The role of the judges is to give effect to the will of parliament, and the role of judicial review is to support parliament, not to undermine it”.

Amanda Pinto QC, chair of the Bar Council, said: “The independence of our judges is fundamental to ensuring the rule of law remains the foundation of our justice system. No one is above the law.

“The Bar Council expects the government to uphold the rule of law in this country.’
I doubt Suella Bravermsn agrees, or has any sympathy with Simon Nolan.

127095 Basics, 18, #430 of 1466 🔗

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/09/10/boris-johnson-has-led-a-fascist-coup-against-the-united-kingdom/

“Delingpole: Boris Johnson Has Led a Fascist Coup Against the UK

“If that sounds like an exaggeration, just ask yourself how you’d have felt a year ago — or even six months ago — if you’d been told a British government was planning to institute a 10pm curfew, ban gatherings of more than six people, impose daily immunity tests before you were allowed to go about your business, employ Stasi-like volunteer ‘marshals’ to ensure public compliance and warning that it might even have to cancel Christmas?” … continues at the link.

127098 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #431 of 1466 🔗

Ahh MICHAEL GOVE the man who was instrumental in curbing our rights in our own homes. Always knew he was dodgy and on a power trip. Be afraid, be very afraid!!!

Headline in DM:
Michael Gove played a key role in forcing through the rule of six at Covid cabinet meeting – and has ‘been consistently on the side of the toughest approach’ , says source

127118 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 6, #432 of 1466 🔗

It’s obviously a way to shield Boris. It’s a good sign as the PR team have obviously seen how badly its gone down and are doing their standard scapegoating. I’d expect Gove not to take it lying down though and so in fighting within the cabinet made public

127131 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #433 of 1466 🔗

Why are you protecting Gove?

127147 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Victoria, 3, #434 of 1466 🔗

Not supporting him but pointing out they’ve leaked that he was beghind this to shield Boris.

Gove is a narcissistic rat and will not stand for it. It can only be had for government to have no. 1 and no. 2 fighting in public

128219 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #435 of 1466 🔗

I’d pay to watch that fight …

127183 ▶▶ Will, replying to Victoria, 4, #436 of 1466 🔗

That looks like a Cummings leak/ lie to keep Gove in line.

127103 cloud6, replying to cloud6, 6, #437 of 1466 🔗

Just had a look at the 1998 Human Rights Act. Has anybody any thoughts or ideas on how this can be used against the UK Government as I am sure they have broken this law on Articles 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, 10 and 11, quite an indictment. Digging a bit deeper there are of course get out of jail clause’s. Still it’s an avenue to look at?

127483 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to cloud6, 1, #438 of 1466 🔗

I am afraid you will find that Johnson’s top legal bod, Attorney General Suella Braverman, has very little time for the Human Rights Act.

127647 ▶▶ annie, replying to cloud6, 2, #439 of 1466 🔗

You’ll be pleased to know that the Commons Joint Human Rights Committee last considered Covid in … March.
They are fearfully active over black rights. Keeps ’em really busy. No time for trifles such as the imprisonment, degradation and subjugation of the entire population.

https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/93/human-rights-joint-committee

127106 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 7, #440 of 1466 🔗

From the BBC. Jamie is why we are losing:

And Jamie in Chesterfield spent seven hours trying to contact someone using the 119 number after no slots were appearing on the online booking system.
His school-age child had developed a new cough.
“It’s the right thing to do according to the guidelines,” he said.
Eventually he managed to get a test 50 miles away.

127112 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to Sam Vimes, 10, #441 of 1466 🔗

Some people are so stupid.
There is no way his child has Covid.

127138 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to JulieR, 4, #442 of 1466 🔗

Probably not. But if the school won’t allow the child to attend without a negative test (and no school will ignore a cough now) and someone has to stay home with them then what is Jamie to do to allow his family to function? I am not sure that getting angry with each other helps – I am saving my contempt for the architects of this mess. Jamie could well become a convert after being personally impacted by it.

127364 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #443 of 1466 🔗

Parents should get informed. There are 3 main coronavirus symptoms :

  • a high temperature;
  • a new, continuous cough;
  • or the loss or change of their sense of taste or smell;

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/914391/Letter_from_PHE_and_NHS_Test_and_Trace_to_school_and_college_leaders.pdf

Then to ensure they continuously improve their children’s immune systems, starting by supplementing them with sufficient vitamin D3 (at least 2,000IU per day – yes that is more than the RDA, but the RDA just prevents rickets), drink enough water, eat nutritious food, sleep enough and wash hands regularly (NOT hand sanitiser)

127756 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andy, replying to Victoria, #444 of 1466 🔗

This is fine Victoria. I am a sceptic…..but even if a child has ONE symptom they will send them home and say they must test. It is incredibly difficult to get a test. The online system is overwhelmed you just can’t get a slot. That means the school forces the child to self isolate and by default everyone in that household. That has a mental and economic impact.

127867 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Victoria, 1, #445 of 1466 🔗

I don’t know about the correct dosage for children, but I’ve taken more than the RDA of vit D during the winter for years with no (known) ill effects. If you live north of the 37th parallel (anywhere in the UK), you should be taking it from the autumnal equinox to the vernal equinox (late September through late March).

127113 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #446 of 1466 🔗

Interesting, people from Lincoln area are being told to go to Chesterfield, as the Lincoln test centre does not have capacity.

If I was a conspiracy theorist I would think the algorithm is simply playing with people to see how compliant they are.

127115 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sam Vimes, 14, #447 of 1466 🔗

A cough.

Every single person in my family of four this week have had runny nose, sniffles, no coughs but my youngest has also been blocked up pretty much all the time. The eldest child just went back to school and it’s to be expected.

Nobody is taking time off, and certainly not spending 7 hrs on a phone line.

127766 ▶▶▶ Andy, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #448 of 1466 🔗

I agree with this. Same in our household. However once your child is sent home from school then you have a challenge. Self isolate or get a test. Which you will struggle to get away! As soon as the school hears a cough or sees a sweaty brow they send the poor kid home.

127216 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #449 of 1466 🔗

I think we have to trumpet the word from the rooftops;
DON’T GET TESTED

127256 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #450 of 1466 🔗

Jamie is a moron

127760 ▶▶▶ Andy, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 1, #451 of 1466 🔗

I doubt it, I suspect his child has been sent home and he has no choice but to get a test to get them back……or self isolate the whole household. The anger should be directed at the govt and this ridiculous self isolation rubbish and not really Jamie.

127117 Fingerache Philip., 18, #452 of 1466 🔗

I am going to see my 2 teenage granddaughters today, strange: I don’t think they are going to kill me!!
I must be missing something somewhere.
Not listening to the government and their advisers, that’s my trouble.

127127 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 6, #453 of 1466 🔗

Is there an elephant in the room

Is this now about the economy and not the virus

Did the bank stress tests factor in the economic disruption we have seen in the past six months?

The dictator deliberately stirs ups opposition to renewal of the covid laws at the end of September. An angry commons kicks them out.

This scuppers Mr Dolans case, so we never get to find out if the government acted unlawfully

The banks go bust in October/November

The dictator says ‘not my fault’ you should have supported me

127267 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Cecil B, 4, #454 of 1466 🔗

If they kick out the Covid laws then we all get back to normal so that’s a tacit win. However those responsible should be punished and that will take longer.

127134 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, 15, #455 of 1466 🔗

Does Covid-19 exist?

The vast majority of the population who absorb mainstream media news are convinced that we have a pandemic of such magnitude and posing so much danger to us all that the draconian measures put in place across the world are fully justified. Sceptics of course believe no such thing. But sceptics themselves are divided into various groups ranging from those who see it as a real threat to human health but one that is overstated, to those that simply do not believe that Covid-19 exists at all and that everything done to imprison populations and make them subservient to authority is nothing short of a crime against humanity.

Lockdown sceptics is surely an oasis in the madness of masked, sanitised, regimented and fearful people but even here there can be a surfeit of analysis and the problem with all of this analysis is that it presupposes that the disease, in an isolated form, does indeed exist. If, and it is a big if, it isn’t a reality, what is the point in trying to prove that it is less harmful than we are led to believe? By accepting that it exists—but that it is not as bad as is made out—are we not not falling directly into the government’s trap of making us go round in circles and disappearing up our own backsides? When we think that the evidence is overwhelming in one line of argument the government simply shifts the goalposts when it suits them and we are left chasing the ball when it is no longer in the same court.

So it seems to me that the prime and most important factor in all of this is the fundamental question:

Does Covid-19 exist at all?

I would first refer to this letter sent to the prime minister dated 22nd June 2020 and signed by six very notable people including Piers Corbyn. It is interesting that Piers Corbyn has since become the government’s number one arch enemy who they are determined to silence at all costs.

https://kevinpcorbett.com/coronahysteria/viral-challenge-letter-to-british-prime-minister.html

And then this petition in the total absence of any response.

https://www.gopetition.com/petitions/if-theres-no-proof-the-virus-exists-end-all-lockdownsmaskstraxvax-actions-2.html

The disease-causing effects of any virus are scientifically verified using Koch’s Postulates of which four conditions must be met. Currently the virus thought to cause Covid-19 does not meet any of them. This was also pointed out by Dr. Stoian Alexov in an article for ‘Off Guardian’ in July.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/02/no-one-has-died-from-the-coronavirus-president-of-the-bulgarian-pathology-association/

The essence of the letter and petition is that the so called Covid-19 has not been isolated or purified and until or unless this is done it cannot be classified as a disease in its own right.
Therefore it follows that:

* No test can possibly be devised to test for a virus that doesn’t exist.
*All testing carried out therefore is worse than useless.
*All discussion, debate, argument and discourse about this ‘disease’ has questionable value.
*Measures taken to combat a non existent disease are futile, destructive and a cloak for matters that are subject to alternative theories.
*Any vaccine development for a non existing disease is impossible.

Proof is an interesting concept. With something like a virus is the onus on proving it exists or proving that it doesn’t? Surely the former is the only logical conclusion—a fact that has singularly not been established. I don’t think I’m alone in believing that this scamdemic is not an over reaction to a definite threat but an authoritarian attempt to frighten the population for whatever reason.
I also believe that a large portion of the population CHOOSE to believe in the virus because thinking about any other alternative is more fearful than taking the government at face value. After all, the government’s main function is to act in the best interests of the population—isn’t it? Therefore the key to this business is not for the population to ‘wake up’ but rather for them to confront the possibility that something is going on that they are only too happy to deny. I suppose it’s all about comfort zones. A belief in Covid-19, providing they follow the rules, is more comforting than facing up to the reality that the government may be acting against them—and how frightening would that be!

127144 ▶▶ 2 pence, replying to Harry hopkins, 9, #456 of 1466 🔗

“The nine most terrifying words in the English language are:

I’m from the Government, and I’m here to help. “

128180 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to 2 pence, 1, #457 of 1466 🔗

Ask them to take out the recycling bin.

127145 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #458 of 1466 🔗

I’m willing to entertain any non contradictory hypothesis if there is evidence in its favour and it has not been falsified.
My question to those who claim this virus’ non existence is: what is the DNA sequence that has been published and how was it obtained?
I’ve unsuccessfully searched for an account of precisely how this was done, but it seems to me that in order to sequence a biological sample you have to isolate it.

128220 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Andy Riley, #459 of 1466 🔗

You’d think so …

127165 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Harry hopkins, 7, #460 of 1466 🔗

Can I believe ‘Covid-19’ does exist but still everything done to imprison populations and make them subservient to authority is a crime against humanity?

I am no expert in this area but it is my opinion that you have latched onto a line of questioning intended to distract and discredit sceptics.

It sounds like you are questioning if the virus itself exists – SARS-CoV-2 yet you keep using the name of the disease Covid-19. The virus has been sequenced many times it does not seem there is much question as to if it exists. How much the virus contributes to any particular disease, to the disease named covid-19 and to peoples deaths are much more sensible questions then does it exist.

Are you saying all the published genome sequences for the virus are a fraud?

127166 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Harry hopkins, 4, #461 of 1466 🔗

It’s an interesting question but my view is that it may be step too far for the Joe Public whose minds we need to change

The argument against lockdown doesn’t rely on an explanation of motivation nor does it rely on trying to prove covid isn’t actually a thing – the case is made and wins easily on the evidence which is that there has not been exceptional mortality, anywhere. In some places it has been higher than average, but in line with peaks in the last few decades

127173 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Julian, 1, #462 of 1466 🔗

It should, so there is other motivation for the government to behave in this way, usually money, control, power

127182 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #463 of 1466 🔗

I tend to put a lot of it down to basic human weakness and character flaws – corwardice, vanity, greed

127184 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 2, #464 of 1466 🔗

I agree with you, Julian.

The key issues are those which are much more easily verifiable – starting with the fact that there has been no exceptional season of infection in the first place – even less so if the mildness of the previous season is taken into account.

127872 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Julian, #465 of 1466 🔗

And trying to convince the public that the virus doesn’t even exist will lead to more claims that sceptics are just nutters.

127192 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Harry hopkins, #466 of 1466 🔗

I thought the Chinese gave us the DNA profile of Covid 19. Who could possibly doubt that?

127870 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Cecil B, #467 of 1466 🔗

You mean the folks who published videos of people dropping dead from COVID on their streets?

128127 ▶▶▶▶ kelly81, replying to ConstantBees, 2, #468 of 1466 🔗

And who created armeis of automated twitter trolls to support Kim Jong Dan and other leaders who stole their populations’ liberties, whilst critisicising Sweden’s saviour Anders Tegnell. Much as I hink the virus is real, I think the Chinese criminals (spelt G.O.V.E.R.N.M.E.N.T.) decided to use an outbreak of what the quickly recognised as a fairly mild virus as a way to make the west engage in economic suicide. China locked down the poor people of Wuhan to make the disease look scarier to the west, and set an example for braindead western leaders to emulate (politicains logic:we must be seen to do something, lockdown is something, we must do lockdown), while mostly ignoring its spread anywhere else in their own country.

127242 ▶▶ GrowYourOwn, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #469 of 1466 🔗

Here’s a good article to read as to whether covid may or may not exist.
https://snooze2awaken.com/2020/06/19/more-truth-pills-to-cure-the-germ-theory-blind-spot/

127261 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to GrowYourOwn, #470 of 1466 🔗

That’s a good article. The first three statements are particularly interesting:

1. The PCR test used to diagnose COVID-19 was never intended to be used to detect viruses. Kary Mullis, the inventor of the PCR test who won a Nobel Prize for his efforts, is on record as stating that diagnosing viruses is an inappropriate use of the technology that can easily produce false positive results.

2. In one consequential study, it has been claimed that in otherwise healthy individuals, the rate of false positives for COVID-19 may be as high as 80%. This means that as many as 4 out of 5 individuals testing positive for COVID-19 may, in fact, be negative.

 3. Despite claims to the contrary, the COVID-19 virus has never been scientifically isolated in accordance with Koch’s postulates, a set of universally acknowledged research rules for identifying contagious agents.

127489 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Harry hopkins, #471 of 1466 🔗

Read all about it in previous posts, ad infinitum. Koch’s postulates were formulated before he or anyone else was able to detect viruses, had no idea that they live in other cells. Irrelevant.

127510 ▶▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Bruno, #472 of 1466 🔗

So can you direct me to references that back up your statement?—-that prove the existence of this virus as bring isolated?

128069 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Harry hopkins, #473 of 1466 🔗

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch's_postulates
Which part of ‘ Koch’s postulates were formulated in the 1880s and are not applicable to viruses and other biological entities that had not been discovered then’ (I paraphrase) are you struggling with?

128102 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Bruno, #474 of 1466 🔗

Not as clear cut as you make out I think. You still haven’t answered my question as to proof that the virus exists.

https://frankreport.com/2020/07/03/coronavirus-truths-part-2-kochs-postulates-not-being-used-at-all-for-covid-19-why/

127140 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 30, #475 of 1466 🔗

If lockdown, social distancing and face masks are effective in reducing viral transmission, why are flu deaths right in line with their five yearly average? (Oh, and incidentally, above COVID 19 deaths.)

Surely, the intelligent people running the country and their wonderful scientific and medical advisors must know that the coronavirus is not the Black Death and that all their draconian measures have had and are having zero effect on the course of this virus. Surely, they must also know that all their draconian measures are killing people and decimating the economy and violating our rights and liberties. If they are not suffering from a case of collective madness, they are guilty of crimes against humanity.

127389 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #476 of 1466 🔗

Well said, Steve. Needs to be repeated as often as possible.

127637 ▶▶ annie, replying to Steve Hayes, #477 of 1466 🔗

Is there a legal definition of ‘crimes against humanity’?
When the reckoning comes, we’re going to need a good, clear definition.

128130 ▶▶▶ kelly81, replying to annie, #478 of 1466 🔗

I’d say commiting crimes against a person, but doing so against almost every person, and using the apparatus of govermnent and law to carry out those crimes.

127143 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 19, #479 of 1466 🔗

A very important comment: “In her large ICU the vast majority of patients came from inside the hospital (as you rightly pointed out at the time) and were morbidly obese, very old or both.”

The doctors also know that the people who died in April are the people who normally die of flu, and the real causes of death were the same as they normally are: dementia, alzheimer’s, chronic heart disease etc.

The NHS knows this. Who is covering it up and why?

127359 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to WhyNow, 2, #480 of 1466 🔗

PHE and SAGE….

127499 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Lms23, 5, #481 of 1466 🔗

Stop giving politicians a free pass. They decide what to do, can ignore SAGE, as they already have, abolish PHE, talk up the insane Moonshot scam without consulting anyone who knows anything about it, and so on.

127149 RickH, 7, #482 of 1466 🔗

Dr Chris Hope ….He found there was indeed a statistically significant correlation between the mildness of recent flu seasons and Covid death toll”

It’s good that further research is being done on this variable, which I think is a critical variable in the apparent level of mortality during the last infection season. I wasn’t looking for such a phenomenon in analysisng a time series of weekly mortality, but it leapt out of the graph that 2018-19 and 2019-20 balanced each other in terms of mortality to a striking degree.

The correspondence was such that the overall mortality for the two years was almost exactly at the median level for the run of 27 years at which I was looking i.e that in the two year time frame, there was no sign of any deaths that could be termed ‘excess’.

The phenomenon, of course, makes absolute sense in terms of infection killing what has been called ‘dry tinder’ first. Given that mortality in 2020 was not particularly exceptional, this phenomenon adds to the picture of 2020 mortality being entirely misconceived.

A ‘moving average’ is a common way of smoothing a curve in a time series – i.e. distinguishing the overall trend from statistical noise.

However, a simple averaging of each two year period produces a similar smoothing of the 27-year curve to a striking degree,suggesting (quite logically) that this ‘balancing’ effect between years is real beyond the specific case of 2029/20.

We have been suffering deprivation of liberty on the basis of essentially nothing notable.

127151 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, #483 of 1466 🔗

Rampant anti white propaganda on the BBC

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127356 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Cecil B, #484 of 1466 🔗

George Floyd died from an overdose of Fentanyl. Self-inflicted.

127152 Telpin, replying to Telpin, 14, #485 of 1466 🔗

My daughter told me last night that most of her student friends are on anti depressants (19/20 year olds). There must be a reckoning.

127161 ▶▶ Andrew, replying to Telpin, 5, #486 of 1466 🔗

Big Pharma keeps on winning.

127204 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Andrew, 2, #487 of 1466 🔗

And parents continue to let them

127875 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #488 of 1466 🔗

Lots of parents are probably on anti-depressants themselves.

127168 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Telpin, 6, #489 of 1466 🔗

She may be mis-perceiving the frequency, but I am sure that her perception of the trend is right. The effect on the young of this perversion of society is incalculable.

I hope that there is a Nurnberg reckoning, because the consequences of the imposition of whim by Mr Toad and the Spivs is criminal.

… but I wish I was sure that the present day Goebbels’s and Mengele’s will be brought to book.

127292 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to RickH, 8, #490 of 1466 🔗

They will be brought to book The guilty will pay.
Dark days, but don’t despair. Stick it out. There is a reason why Christians reckon despaIr as the one sin against the Holy Ghost fir which there is no forgiveness.
Be strong, keep hope, smile, THIS WILL END.

127345 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to RickH, #491 of 1466 🔗

There won’t be any such reckoning, except by worldwide civil disobedience, and local revenge upon the politicians. The majority of governments across the world are doing the same thing, Western especially countries.

127186 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Telpin, 3, #492 of 1466 🔗

Seems entirely plausible to me. Broad themes of depression symptoms relate to helplessness and hopelessness. Not much hope or sense of efficacy available to any of us at the moment.

127879 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Charlie Blue, #493 of 1466 🔗

I feel like my history of a major depressive episode and PTSD have been very helpful in weathering this situation. I know what it’s like to feel crap and how to get through it, even when it feels like the crap is winning.

127195 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to Telpin, 4, #494 of 1466 🔗

Many people these days want quick solutions. It is easier to take a pill rather than change a lifestyle.

127350 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to JulieR, 8, #495 of 1466 🔗

Unfortunately, people’s lifestyles are no longer a matter of their own choice. Six months ago, they were. Now we are under a near dictatorship, all conducted for our own good by the sociopathic Hancock.

128221 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Lms23, 1, #496 of 1466 🔗

Only if one follows their nasty rules.

127214 ▶▶ AllieT, replying to Telpin, 6, #497 of 1466 🔗

Yep from my experience at work (GP surgery) many young people are on them and I have been taking quite a number of calls from young ones experiencing MH issues

127288 ▶▶ annie, replying to Telpin, 1, #498 of 1466 🔗

There will be.

127504 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to annie, #499 of 1466 🔗

The GPs are also to blame though. Drugs are not the answer for a perfectly reasonably depressed 19 year old.

127882 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Bruno, 1, #500 of 1466 🔗

With the massive shortage of mental health services, drugs are the only thing that GPs have to offer. When I lived in Manchester, I met loads of people stuck on them who wanted therapy but couldn’t get it. Had to keep taking the wretched drugs.

128223 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bruno, #501 of 1466 🔗

Imperial College (them again – but a different bunch) have reported highly significant benefits for psylocibin in treating depression. 🙂

127158 Andrew, 5, #502 of 1466 🔗

There is a govenment that is going to to institute a 10pm curfew, ban gatherings of more than six people, impose daily immunity tests before you were allowed to go about your business, employ Stasi-like volunteer ‘marshals’ to ensure public compliance and warning that it might even have to cancel Christmas.

127159 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 4, #503 of 1466 🔗

I saw a link on here earlier about govt collection dna and fingerprints in interests of national security under auspices of coronavirus. Can’t find it now. What’s that all about?

127178 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #504 of 1466 🔗

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/973/made?view=plain

It’s a bit hard to follow but seems to be about being able to retain information for longer and suspend normal rules about reasons for retention

127249 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Julian, #505 of 1466 🔗

Thank you

127309 ▶▶▶ ajb97b, replying to Julian, #506 of 1466 🔗

The reason given for needing this rule which extends the retention period, is that police are apparently too busy dealing with COVID to always remember to formally ask for extension of the time they can retain a biometric beyond the initially permitted period

127160 Jane in France, replying to Jane in France, 17, #507 of 1466 🔗

Depressing experience this morning at a little shop run by an old husband and wife where I buy genmaicha tea. Early on in the confinement, when nobody was masked, we had a conversation. A month or so later they were both masked, but since I wasn’t we had another conversation, mainly about an old doctor in the town who would turn out in the middle of a snowy night to visit a sick child. Those were the days. Today I too was masked – obligatoire, no exemptions. The man asked me how I was. Foolishly I said I wasn’t too great after seeing all the masked faces. Ah, but we’re back at red alert says he. I asked if the hospitals were overwhelmed. He muttered something about We don’t know when it’ll end. After that we had nothing else to say to each other. I think in a way he knows he’s being played but it would cost him too much mental energy to admit it. Meantime what you can see of his face above the mask doesn’t look too cheerful. He sterilised his hands before handing me my box of tea. He asked me if I wanted to sterilise mine before I left the shop. I said I washed my hands with Aleppo soap several times a day. Masks destroy normal human interactions such as the simple pleasure of a conversation with a shopkeeper. When I got home I looked up genmaicha on line. Cheaper than in the shop. I won’t be going back to the masked shopkeeper for my next fix.

127167 ▶▶ Andrew, replying to Jane in France, 3, #508 of 1466 🔗

Deeply sad times.

127352 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jane in France, 2, #509 of 1466 🔗

Good for you. I also voted ‘with my feet’.

127163 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 5, #510 of 1466 🔗

It really is like a UN social experiment to herd the gullible

127341 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #511 of 1466 🔗

It’s a UN social experiment to bring about a one world (socialist) government, i.e. Venezuela for the world.

127886 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Lms23, 1, #512 of 1466 🔗

It’s interesting how many people insist that they know the end game. I don’t and I think I’m content to stay that way. I know that the things I can see and hear don’t make sense. I don’t need to know other people’s motivations to know what is right and wrong.

127171 AllieT, 18, #513 of 1466 🔗

Three cheers for Dr. Yeadon his expertise truth & common sense. Brilliant interview. Policy to keep NHS covid-ready at the expense of avoidable deaths is scandalous. I work for them and can see how much being curtailed every day total car crash!

127174 Julian, replying to Julian, 18, #514 of 1466 🔗

I don’t know how Dolan finds them but he seems quite adept at spotting well known people on Twitter who are coming over to our side: Ian Brown, Liam Gallagher, Jeremy Vine, Will Carling, Alastair Stewart to name just a few

The more mainstream names come over, the easier the case will be to make

127193 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Julian, 9, #515 of 1466 🔗

it is so sad that we have to look to celebrities becoming sceptical. But that is the way the world is. Millions of people following celebs and hanging off their every word.
So we need the likes of Justin Beiber (112 million followers) Katy Perry, Rihanna, even Christiano Ronaldo ffs to tweet. then it would all be over ,
I am going to boil my head

127207 ▶▶▶ Andrew, replying to mjr, 17, #516 of 1466 🔗

I follow Ian Brown. He used to get around 250 likes per tweet and then he popped this on there. NO LOCKDOWN NO TESTS NO TRACKS NO MASKS NO VAX and got 20,000 likes. Someone is awake.

128136 ▶▶▶▶ kelly81, replying to Andrew, #517 of 1466 🔗

I wish they wouldn’t say “No vax”. A mandatory vaccine would be terrible, not for what it was, but for what powers and level of social control would be needed to force everyone to have it. But any vaccine given by free choice (or by, “you want it,? give us £50” which seems reasonable as a way to make coronapanickers start slightly eating away at the mountain of debt they’ve burdened us with) is a good thing. Herd immunity works naturally, but a vaccine can, if ready on time, help reach it faster, or if ready late can help crush what remains of an endemic virus.

128137 ▶▶▶▶ kelly81, replying to Andrew, #518 of 1466 🔗

I wish they would o’t say “No Vax”. A mandatory vaccination programme would be terrible, not for what it was in and of itself, but for what powers and level of social control would be needed to force everyone to get it. But any vaccine given by free choice (or by, “you think you need it,? give us £100” which seems reasonable as a way to make coronaphobes start beignning to almost start to pay off the mountain of debt they’ve burdened us with) is a great thing.

128226 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Andrew, #519 of 1466 🔗

Who’s Ian Brown ?

127464 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Julian, 2, #520 of 1466 🔗

I had a feeling Jeremy Vine was turning earlier this week but my suggestion that LS readers should listen to him discuss
“has lockdown gone too far !?”
was not positively received, might have cheered them up if they had.

128224 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Julian, #521 of 1466 🔗

Liam Gallagher predicted Man City would win four trophies last season. Mwah ha ha ha. 🙂

127177 WhyNow, replying to WhyNow, 29, #522 of 1466 🔗

If anyone were the slightest bit doubtful, surely the stark disparity between the way we treat flu and Covid would make them puzzled.

The lockdown advocates usually say that Covid is twice as bad as seasonal flu. OK, let’s accept that for the moment. But the normal protection for seasonal flu is almost nil. Doctors and nurses do not wear PPE. GPs do not close the surgery. Head teachers do not close schools. Care home do not stop visitors. We just get on with it. We don’t even ask people not to go to work if they have a temperature.

And now, flu rates are ten times higher than Covid, but we are not testing for flu, not locking down communities with cases of flu, and not asking how flu is being spread despite the lockdown and the masks. Apparently you can die of flu (i.e. with a negative test of Covid) and no-one cares. It’s normal.

The irrationality is baffling.

127244 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to WhyNow, 11, #523 of 1466 🔗

Only if you believe it is about a virus.Maybe in the beginning but definitely not now.Please wake up,those who believe this is incompetence.The surveillance state is being rolled out before our very eyes.A worrying development is the fact that test and trace is now mandatory.It seems the restrictions which were easy to ignore will now be ramped up and enforced after the population has become accustomed to them.

127342 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 3, #524 of 1466 🔗

The surveillance state is being rolled out before our very eyes

Yes, that is exactly what is happening

127385 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to WhyNow, 2, #525 of 1466 🔗

Well said – its weapons grade cognitive dissonance on stilts by the public and media – deliberate propaganda by the govt as part of “the plan”.

127191 JulieR, replying to JulieR, 12, #526 of 1466 🔗

This is from my local area:

Some of you may have seen the headline today on local children being sent home due to a case of COVID-19 in their school.

In all, three schools have sent home whole classes or bubbles of children this week after contact with a case or suspected case of COVID-19. A single staff member tested positive at Devonshire Primary School which led to the Year 2 group being sent home . The John Fisher Catholic Boys School have asked all year 8 pupils to self isolate after one pupil tested positive. And St Elpheges RC Infant/Junior School have asked 4 classes to self isolate after several staff and pupils reported feeling unwell; this was taken as a precautionary measure by the school after discussion with London Public Health England colleagues.

What has been positive is how all the schools have responded proactively, following the national and the local guidance that we produced. Concerns were quickly raised to London Public Health England colleagues and appropriate advice given to the school and letters issued for parents.

The bubbles of children who have been sent home will need to isolate for fourteen days, allowing the rest of the children in their school to continue their classes. This is the proper response to a single case in a school and this is not classified as an outbreak. At this stage there are no signs of any serious illness in any of the affected individuals.

How crazy are these guidelines are? This is only the first week of the term. What kind of education is it?
I despair.

127196 ▶▶ mjr, replying to JulieR, 18, #527 of 1466 🔗

and now all we need is some kid fed up with school and wanting to get back to his computer games to complain of a headache and to cough a little and bingo. Home for two weeks (along with the rest of his class). An extension of the Dog ate my homework philosophy.

127266 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to mjr, 1, #528 of 1466 🔗

This is exactly what happened in early March, prompting the full-scale closure of schools.

127473 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mjr, #529 of 1466 🔗

And thirty parents off work to care for them.

127200 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to JulieR, 15, #530 of 1466 🔗

In medical discourse, a “case” is a person who has been diagnosed as suffering from a disease or malady, ie has detectable symptoms, and is receiving medical care. A positive test for a virus is not a case. Is it not strange that the elite, all together simultaneously decided to misuse this word?

127264 ▶▶▶ wildboar, replying to Steve Hayes, 3, #531 of 1466 🔗

Re Covid-1984, a “case” is defined as someone who has tested positive in a PCR test, meaning that a fragment or fragments of RNA (from DNA) have been found – that fragment is being considered as evidence and I agree, it is not a “symptom”.

However, there are many false positives (some say 80%), and the RNA may be a dead fragment if the subject had a mild case of the virus and then fully recovered, or it could be RNA from the common cold or one of the other corona viruses. Even if the positive test is a correct reading, the subject may be in perfect health. As they say, what kind if virus is it that you need to be tested to know that you have it?

What to me is more reprehensible, is that the government and newspapers often describe these postive test results (mostly false positives) as “infections” while most people who test positive are not infectious and do not have symptoms and so cannot transmit. To the spokespersons of the new normal, the words “case” and “infection” are interchangeable.

The word “infection” should be limited to the rare few with a high temperature, with a dry hacking cough, or with lung problems because of viral attack.

128227 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Steve Hayes, #532 of 1466 🔗

Good point. We should always call them (anybody who uses it this way) on it.

127252 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to JulieR, 1, #534 of 1466 🔗

Masks seem to be doing their job then

127194 rchumpoll, replying to rchumpoll, 22, #535 of 1466 🔗

It’s not just Boris – the world has gone mad. I have been this morning blocked by Facebook for sending a PRIVATE message on Messenger to a fellow Kiwi where I said – quote – looks like Jacinda has lost the plot on COVID19 with the latest lockdown. Facebook took it upon itself to block that message. Why does the Facebook brigade have the power (a) to block free speech, (b) to interfere with a communication and (c) decide my comment should be censored? After all, every news commentator in NZ right now is saying the same thing!

127198 ▶▶ Andrew, replying to rchumpoll, 1, #536 of 1466 🔗

They are all MSM now. Bought by Bill.

127206 ▶▶ Will, replying to rchumpoll, 1, #537 of 1466 🔗

Delighted to hear it. I hoped that a nation as sensible, practical and civilised would come to its senses regarding St Jacinta.

127230 ▶▶ Thomas_E, replying to rchumpoll, 6, #538 of 1466 🔗

Stop using Facebook..they are a part of the deep state apparatus and will censor any decent..I left about 8 months ago,never been happier..

127246 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to rchumpoll, 14, #539 of 1466 🔗

I would worry more that they are reading your private messages

127319 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to rchumpoll, 6, #540 of 1466 🔗

“Why does the Facebook brigade have the power (a) to block free speech, (b) to interfere with a communication and (c) decide my comment should be censored”

Because it can.
Silicon Valley is run by far left progressives who decide what is permissible in speech.

128171 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to rchumpoll, #541 of 1466 🔗

Facebook gets the overwhelming majority of its income from advertising revenue, some say up to 80-90%… companies would not pay unless they could guarantee targetting – FB terms freely admit they gather all sorts of info from your phone (inc. ambivalent sounds!) they also give themselves the right to scan your phone, messages, and take pics & videos with their cameras. FB when challenged will say they never do those things, and although they have patents for said technology they spend ages patenting stuff they never use. Point is – they can do, basically, what they like with your data. and chances are they will!

128228 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to rchumpoll, #542 of 1466 🔗

It’s God’s way of punishing those daft enough to use Facebook.

127197 Andrew, replying to Andrew, 4, #543 of 1466 🔗

Why are the left not interested in what is going on, there just seems to be no opposition.

127209 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Andrew, 5, #544 of 1466 🔗

Why would they oppose the Government’s commitment to destroying the economy and everything else that makes life worth living? Their only concern will be making sure they can mop up votes at the next election.

127218 ▶▶▶ Andrew, replying to Charlie Blue, #545 of 1466 🔗

Will there be another election?

127232 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Andrew, 2, #546 of 1466 🔗

Maybe not. But self-destruction by the right (or what used to be the right) would still be in the interests of the left.

127234 ▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #547 of 1466 🔗

If the left and right unite then it’s over?

127314 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Andrew, 3, #548 of 1466 🔗

I’d assumed they already had. Can anyone tell the difference between them??

127313 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Andrew, #549 of 1466 🔗

Yes. Labour wouldn’t let the Tories get away with not having an election.
Not that it will make any difference.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

127346 ▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Lms23, 1, #550 of 1466 🔗

We need the new political party that we all can vote for. Both Conservatives and Labour are in this together by removing our rights and liberties. Labour is guilty because they do not oppose, that is their job

127253 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Charlie Blue, 3, #551 of 1466 🔗

I think the left are in the position of the communists in 1933.They thought the Nazis would mess up and then it would be their turn.I don’t believe we will be allowed to vote again.Elections have already been suspended.

127220 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Andrew, 2, #552 of 1466 🔗

It seems all the left has ever wanted is an out of control authoritarian government destroying everyones livelihoods and killing the vulnerable considering how happy they seem to be that this is what we now have.

127260 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Saved To Death, 3, #553 of 1466 🔗

I think that the lack of opposition is pathetic, and although it makes some sense in narrow political terms (in a parallel situation, the Tories would be doing the same), the long term effects of just hoping Mr Toad and Co. self-destruct isn’t a very bright idea.

However – this catastrophe has to be primarily owned by the right – from whence it comes, not the left. Denial won’t do on either end of the spectrum.

127316 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to RickH, 2, #554 of 1466 🔗

Not really seeing the difference between the two sides.
Hancock and Johnson would be just as at home in the Labour party as the pretend Tories.

127326 ▶▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to RickH, 2, #555 of 1466 🔗

Personally I don’t consider myself on the left or right but the people I do know who identify themselves as on the left are the most enthusiastic lockdown supporters I know these very same people used to always go on about how much they care about the poor and disadvantaged, about opportunity for all but now I can see clearly they could not care less about these things. Last year they would be calling Johnston an evil fascist now this year when he is actually behaving and sounding like a fascist he is their dear leader and they are willing to obey his every command. It seems to me all they really want is an authoritarian government.

Anyway this catastrophe comes from above our government and would have been essentially the same had we had the Conservative, Labour, Libdem or even Green party in government.

127524 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Saved To Death, 2, #556 of 1466 🔗

Equally all the enthusiastic Brexiteers moaning about Gina Miller blocking their desire to ram illegal stuff through without Parliamentary scrutiny now discover that oh, actually, judicial review is quite a good thing. Make no mistake, it’s about liberty and the rule of law, and it cuts both ways.

127895 ▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Saved To Death, #557 of 1466 🔗

Sorry you know the “wrong sort” of lefties. Come talk to me and I tell you about how much I hate the lockdown and everything associated with this mess. Don’t assume that lefties are pro-lockdown and I won’t assume terrible things about people on the right.

128008 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheshirecatslave, replying to Saved To Death, #558 of 1466 🔗

I consider myself left leaning but am very much a sceptic. Yes, the virus exists and is nasty but so are many other things. Give the vulnerable the free choice to stay away from crowded places (as I’m doing) and let the healthy live their lives as they have done during previous pandemics.

127410 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, #559 of 1466 🔗

However – this catastrophe has to be primarily owned by the right – from whence it comes, not the left.”

Not intending to deny anything here, just curious. What, in this context, is your definition of “right” and “left”?

127310 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Andrew, #560 of 1466 🔗

Because they’d be doing exactly the same or more if they were in charge??

127201 Andrew, replying to Andrew, 16, #561 of 1466 🔗

Great to see all the kids pile out of school yesterday then go straight to the park laughing, hugging and having a great time. It’s been difficult here in North Korea but we are staying strong.

127255 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Andrew, 4, #562 of 1466 🔗

Yes, round here I enjoyed seeing a playground next to a school, well packed with the bossy ‘staying safe’ Council rules getting the compliance they deserve.

127208 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #563 of 1466 🔗

Large demonstration happening in Paris. Ruptly youtube channel is streaming.

127211 ▶▶ Andrew, replying to Basics, 2, #564 of 1466 🔗

On it, get the vests out.

127210 Cecil B, 14, #566 of 1466 🔗

Capt Blackadder ” Private Baldrick have you read the new Divisional Order on groups of six

Private Baldrick ” Yes sir, but, I have a cunning plan”

CB “I know I’m going to regret this but go on”

PB “Well sir, I’m going to change my name by deed poll to Covid Marshall”

CB “Interesting, tell me more”

PB ” Well, sir if I become a Covid Marshall I can go anywhere I want, and mix with whomever I please. I will also be able to order my family and friends to mix in groups of more than six”

CB ‘Brilliant, Brilliant, get me the forms”

(In remembrance of the brave men of this country who lie pavilioned in the fields of France. They would grab their rifles and bayonets if they saw what was going on now)

127212 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 7, #567 of 1466 🔗

https://twitter.com/LecatAlex/status/1303643033762762752

Perhaps it is best to bombard the MSM with this type of information whether true or not.
French pulmonary specialist warning that masks will give an epidemic of meningitis and severe pneumonia this autumn.

127269 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to swedenborg, 3, #568 of 1466 🔗

epidemic of meningitis and severe pneumonia this autumn”

AKA ‘covid second wave’

127478 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to swedenborg, 1, #569 of 1466 🔗

My mum was nurse who spent decades working in dermatology and chest infection wards. She would have predicted bronchial disorders

127215 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 8, #570 of 1466 🔗

Did you know that Japan, Vietnam and Thailand are doing fewer PCR tests than Ghana?
Taiwan even less PCR tests, less than Ivory Coast?

There is something puzzling about these states which are often held up by the test and trace fanatics as a paragon of perfect C-19 policy

Taiwan must have flu and other respiratory  diseases. How are they doing the diagnosis of these? Are they consciously doing so few tests as they are not interested in community spread and only hospital cases? We don’t know but at least we know that Japan has taken a decision to be very restricted with testing.

UK has now passed both US and Russia and is now doing more tests per capita.The madness just continues.

127265 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to swedenborg, 2, #571 of 1466 🔗

I seem to remember reading that either Japan or SK chose not to bother doing mass testing because their experience with SARS1 was that people were getting infected while waiting in line to get tested.

Can’t find the source and I’m not sure how they checked this was the case but I found it amusing when I read it.

127223 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #572 of 1466 🔗

Shut everything now!!

An infected person can pass on the virus even if they do not have any symptoms, through talking, breathing , coughing or sneezing.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-meeting-with-others-safely-social-distancing/coronavirus-covid-19-meeting-with-others-safely-social-distancing

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127241 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #573 of 1466 🔗

Also known symptoms of being alive.

127282 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #574 of 1466 🔗

Yeah, being alive gives other people Covid.

127306 ▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to annie, 4, #575 of 1466 🔗

Mass euthanasia of the healthy to save lives is the only way humankind can survive this deadly disease with a 99.6% survival rate

127355 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to tonyspurs, 2, #576 of 1466 🔗

The math is undeniable. The less people that are alive the less chance the virus has to spread.

127632 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #577 of 1466 🔗

The ultimate answer to the ultimate question.

128071 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to tonyspurs, #578 of 1466 🔗

We should ask Johnson, Wancock, Ferguson, Whitty and Vallance to volunteer for this mass euthanasia. Then followed by the committed lockdownistas.

127899 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Sam Vimes, #579 of 1466 🔗

A man sneezed next to to me today. No-one panicked.

127224 Eldred Godson, 2, #580 of 1466 🔗

How about ‘The Gumption Party’ …

127228 TyRade, 6, #581 of 1466 🔗

Listening to R4 Farming Today on my way to the pool his morning, I caught the chief centenary officer (a Scottish lady) say : “We like to keep culling in the tool kit. It’s especially useful in the hotspots.” Turned out she was talking about badger culling and the inadequacy of vaccines. On that basis my relief was tempered with the suspicion Boris and Handy Cock will be announcing similar ‘initiatives’ next week.

127231 TyRade, replying to TyRade, #582 of 1466 🔗

meant veterinary

127382 ▶▶ Edward, replying to TyRade, #583 of 1466 🔗

Pesky autocompletion strikes again!

127233 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 3, #584 of 1466 🔗

I notice Belgium is getting mentioned by anyone connected to govt. It appeared in one of the graphs in the last 10 Downing st briefing as a model of how to get it right. So I was surprised they didn’t bring in mask wearing in pubs and restaurants. I guess that’s for next week.

127250 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #585 of 1466 🔗

No, this week:

…the new guideline, issued by Ms Sturgeon and which will be the law of the land from Monday, will mean that diners and drinkers must wear face coverings from the moment they enter a hostelry until they’re shown to their table. And if they get up from their seats, even to go to the toilet, they will have to don the mask again.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/10/nicola-sturgeons-restaurant-mask-rules-add-confused-air-mixed/

127305 ▶▶ Small guy, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #586 of 1466 🔗

Belgium hasn’t ramped up its testing hence it does not have a false positive casedemic.

127236 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #587 of 1466 🔗

Dr. Fauci says he takes vitamin D and C supplements and that they can lessen ‘your susceptibility to infection’

Time to say this now?

https://twitter.com/WorkPlaceRpt/status/1304597838228271105

127262 ▶▶ DRW, replying to swedenborg, #588 of 1466 🔗

Doesn’t matter, he’ll just claim the opposite next week anyway.

127455 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to DRW, #589 of 1466 🔗

… adding that he was lying this week.

128182 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to swedenborg, #590 of 1466 🔗

He should have said that in March.

127237 Gtec, replying to Gtec, 11, #591 of 1466 🔗

I’ve just seen a neighbour, a young, fairly burely chap, pegging out some washing in his garden wearing a mask; I thought I’d seen it all, but apparently not!

127335 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Gtec, 1, #592 of 1466 🔗

The mask should have been washed and put on the line

127631 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Victoria, 1, #593 of 1466 🔗

The wearer, rather.

127238 Ruth Sharpe, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 5, #594 of 1466 🔗

I don’t think anyone else has said this – apologies if they have, but surely now, Boris will be forever known as ‘The Grinch’.

I was thinking about Hancock too – he really reminds me of the child catcher from Chitty, Chitty, Bang, Bang.

127279 ▶▶ annie, replying to Ruth Sharpe, 1, #595 of 1466 🔗

He reminds me of a slug.
I dream of him slurping slug bait.

127239 Basics, replying to Basics, 2, #596 of 1466 🔗

Large demonstratiin happening in Munich. Ruptly youtube channel streaming live.

127299 ▶▶ anon, replying to Basics, #597 of 1466 🔗

Ruptly also streaming gillets jeunes anti lockdown protest in paris

128183 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to anon, #598 of 1466 🔗

Gilest jaunes.

128184 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to anon, #599 of 1466 🔗

Oops! Gilet jaunes.

127245 arfurmo, replying to arfurmo, 8, #600 of 1466 🔗

Great news -https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8725147/Worrying-signs-infection-old-R-rate-rises-1.html SAGE advisor Sir Mark Walport says we are on the brink of losing control -so we know we aren’t and Imperial College says the infections are doubling in size every seven to eight days -so we know they aren’t .

127248 ▶▶ DRW, replying to arfurmo, 2, #601 of 1466 🔗

This week’s SAGE/UCL doom phrophecies, sponsored by…

127257 Cecil B, 1, #603 of 1466 🔗

Will covid marshalls be trained how to use tanks? They will need them

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54126146

127258 Nsklent, 15, #604 of 1466 🔗

Just saw on Simon Dolan’s Twitter, somron posted a news video claiming UCLA Stanford findings that you have 1 in 19.1 million chance of dying of Covid. Dying in a car accident, US stats, 1 in 114.
Now Johnson et al, justify your continued draconian restrictions. To think, if a fraction of the money spent had been put into care and research on real diseases, how much better off we would be.

127259 Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #605 of 1466 🔗

Posted by Banjones yesterday and possibly others before the great Ivor Cummins commentary of the state of Corona/covid using offical data set to describe where we are and what may come in the next few months.

Demolishes the fear and lockdown arguments. Brilliant. Watch and share. https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac

Apparently it is so good even J Vine the tv personality (?) has tweeted it out – cannot argue with Ivors articulate clarity.

127434 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Basics, #606 of 1466 🔗

That is brilliant- he systematically shoots every argument down. What a pleasure to listen to.

127270 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #607 of 1466 🔗

Why are ventilator patients being mentioned again?

Wasn’t it shown months ago that putting true covid-19 sufferers on a ventilator killed most of them and it was not recommended?

Not seen any medical advice since then to refute it.

127274 ▶▶ tonys, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #608 of 1466 🔗

The media are putting theIr band ‘Project Fear’ back together and playing all the old hits.

127287 ▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to tonys, #609 of 1466 🔗

It’s mentioned because its a published daily metric and supposedly a key measure.

127291 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to hotrod, 5, #610 of 1466 🔗

So I guess it means they are trying to kill them off again then to boost the numbers.

128186 ▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to tonys, #611 of 1466 🔗

Moldy oldies.

128185 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Awkward Git, #612 of 1466 🔗

I was wondering the same and I read that it is still being used. Where I forget.

127272 tonys, 3, #614 of 1466 🔗

What’s this about Jeremy Whine joining our rag tag army of sceptics? I find it hard to believe, the man is BBC liberal groupthink to his fingertips, is he just covering his arse?

127273 Seansaighdeoir, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 6, #615 of 1466 🔗

Maybe I’ve missed it but so far all I’ve seen complaining about the new ‘rule of 6’ is about the numbers.

No one outside of a few US sites has raised the ‘Moonshot’ idea of the 24hour health pass allowing us to ‘mingle’ and be ‘released’. I have not seen this raised on any ‘sceptic’ sites at all. This effectively allows the govt to quarantine us at will unless and until we have ‘passed’ the covid test. This in essence is what the Moonshot idea is really all about.

The only argument I’ve seen is one about the numbers. As if getting permission from the govt to mix is ok as long as the numbers are sufficiently high.

127311 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #616 of 1466 🔗

Perhaps you have been away on holiday – to Mars – is the only charitable explanation. Maybe read a few of the last 2 days posts,? Or the BMJ? Or, let’s face it, the BBC and Guardian??

127452 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Bruno, 2, #617 of 1466 🔗

Its been roundly condemned as lunacy from the first hours onward.

127325 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Seansaighdeoir, #618 of 1466 🔗

Great post

127418 ▶▶ HelzBelz, replying to Seansaighdeoir, 2, #619 of 1466 🔗

Moonshot sounds distinctly Dr Evil.

127275 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #620 of 1466 🔗

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-participant-develops-neurological-symptoms-astrazeneca-pauses-trial/

Robert Kenedy Jr has tweeted out the above article writing
“AstraZeneca has paused its experimental #COVID-19 #vaccine trial after a woman in the UK developed a “suspected serious reaction” consistent with transverse myelitis, a neurological disorder characterized by inflammation of the spinal cord.”

127395 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Basics, 1, #621 of 1466 🔗

Potentially causing paralysis ….

127502 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Basics, #622 of 1466 🔗

Thanks this is great information. How scary

127538 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Victoria, #623 of 1466 🔗

If rather old. I thought you commented on it yesterday?

128229 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bruno, #624 of 1466 🔗

Has she breached some sort of commenting limit you’ve imposed ?

127277 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, 3, #625 of 1466 🔗

BBC R2 midday news

“Michael Gove has rejected claims that Britain is in danger of losing control of the the Covid as cases double every week”.

Black ops propaganda unit working overtime.

127283 ▶▶ hotrod, replying to karenovirus, #626 of 1466 🔗

Explain who is running Black Ops based on that statement from Gove?

The BBC are the government mouthpiece and have been since Laura was “placed”

127302 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to hotrod, 1, #627 of 1466 🔗

I have no idea since then it would not be black, as in secret.

“Oh look Elsie, they’re denying it so it must be true, they must think we’re really daft”.

127280 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 4, #628 of 1466 🔗

Which other countries have come out and said lockdown was a mistake? I know Norway did it quite early on but can’t recall the others…

127322 ▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Tom Blackburn, 3, #629 of 1466 🔗

Pakistan. Denmark? Uruguay.

Pretty sure Italy have said as much also.

127367 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sarigan, #630 of 1466 🔗

Indeed, Italy said never again

127383 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Tom Blackburn, #631 of 1466 🔗

Think France said they wouldn’t lock down again, not sure they’ve actually admitted the first one was a mistake however.

127401 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to A. Contrarian, #632 of 1466 🔗

I’ve been challenged to provide proof that other countries have said never again. This is the issue with this site – it is at least 1 month ahead of the curve. By the time everyone catches up, I can’t find the evidence to back up my assertions. A lot of the good stuff is buried in comments too.

128230 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Tom Blackburn, #633 of 1466 🔗

One could (if one had time) amass all previous comments in one vast Word (or similar) file. They could then be searched offline.

127698 ▶▶ Will, replying to Tom Blackburn, #634 of 1466 🔗

Lots of countries have been sensible enough to do a fairly accurate imitation of Sweden fairly promptly.

127903 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Tom Blackburn, #635 of 1466 🔗

Spahn, health minister in Germany, said recently the would not do a lockdown of shops, hairdressers, Nursery schools and CARE HOMES! again.

127281 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 3, #636 of 1466 🔗

When experts/government talk about such things as the R number and exponential growth in infection they should be forced to include an upper, or lower if decreasing, limit for any such change.

It is too easy to say growth of infection is exponential as if it will carry on to infinity (or in this case total population) but there will always be a limiting factor.

For example, there is currently concern that cases are rising. If we assume this rise will carry on forever then that would reasonably be of concern.

However, if we expect this rise to increase for a few days/weeks to an upper bound then that is not necessarily as concerning.

I believe that this is an important aspect in the messaging and should be made a requirement.

127286 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nobody2020, 5, #637 of 1466 🔗

Anyone who opines that the growth of infection is ‘exponential is simply mathematically illiterate.

A part of a curve that appears ‘exponential’ doesn’t actually indicate ‘exponential growth’.

127297 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to RickH, 2, #638 of 1466 🔗

Nonsense. It is perfectly reasonable to say, for example, that the daily deaths from Covid increased exponentially between 07 and 28 March doubling every 2 days. That’s not numerically exact, of course, but gives a perfectly fair view of what the numbers were doing. If you define “exponential growth” as meaning “strict numerical adherence to the exponential function y=exp(k.t) for all times t” then you have a perfectly well-defined notion which in this context is perfectly useless. If you use the term in this context, as many mathematically literate people do — and I claim to be one — to mean “reasonably well approximated by an exponential function over some time period of interest” then you have a reasonably clear definition with the advantage of being useful for descriptive and planning purposes.

In fact, as I’m sure you will know from your experience of running SIR models, the growth up to the peak is remarkably well approximated by an exponential until very shortly before the peak, and indeed the decline on the other side is also well approximated by an exponential from shortly after the peak. It is both meaningful and useful to describe that as exponential growth followed by exponential decay.

127388 ▶▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #639 of 1466 🔗

“Exponential” is used loosely (and wrongly) by mathematical illiterates to mean “rapidly growing”. An example of what Fowler`s Modern English Usage calls “popularised technicalities”.
You know this already Richard, I’m posting for others’ benefit!

127402 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Edward, #640 of 1466 🔗

Thanks, and I quite agree!

127290 kf99, replying to kf99, 4, #641 of 1466 🔗

Name suggestion: the “ True Democrats

Double meaning – we’re interested in truthful figures and facts not spin, and we understand true democracy is more complicated than the tyranny of the majority.

127328 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to kf99, #642 of 1466 🔗

If only it would not be confused with the Democratic party in the US

127414 ▶▶▶ hat man, replying to Victoria, 1, #643 of 1466 🔗

How about Free Democrats, if it’s not been suggested already?

127293 Jo, 5, #644 of 1466 🔗

The Week in Westminster – more sanity slips into BBC Radio 4. Really good common sense spoken by Professor Sir Simon Wessely, Kings College London. It’s about 21 mins into the programme.

127294 Basics, 5, #645 of 1466 🔗

Relevant wih the spectre of opperation warp speed looming over humankind.

Yet another location where the polio vaccine has CAUSED Polio. Africa currently has more than 12 countries fighting vaccine CAUSED polio epidemics WHO recognised this in London in April 2020. This article suggest Pakistan tried to cover up the outbreak there.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/nov/07/pakistan-accused-of-cover-up-over-fresh-polio-outbreak

No one wins anything for guessing which entity links these Polio outbreaks, among children to in must be said. Lift any rock you find the same entity.

127295 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 12, #646 of 1466 🔗

This has been highlighted before this morning but must be an absolute read today

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/when-is-covid-covid/

 This is extremely dangerous. In the US much PCR tests at  Ct 40 accepted as pos case. This has enormous consequences but also the question, do we have C-19 deaths in hospital defined as C-19 death due to this Ct level? This could have devastating consequences prolonging a pseudo pandemic. Extraordinary that we have no definition at which Ct level is PCR pos.

127300 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 11, #647 of 1466 🔗

Good to see the CEBM becoming a little less guarded in being the rock of sanity and truth in this morass of false information.

I guess Heneghan and Jefferson are privately boiling at the rubbish that is being churned out as fact.

The sheer brass neck and/or incompetence of the government narrative (and the shills who promote it) is highlighted by the following :

Currently, any person meeting the laboratory criteria is a confirmed case. Yet, a case definition should be a set of standard criteria for classifying whether a person has a certain disease, syndrome, or other health condition “

… which is what a lot of us here and elsewhere have been saying for ages as the manufactured ‘casedemic’ has grown.

127610 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to RickH, #648 of 1466 🔗

Yes I think you are correct that CEBM is getting angrier by the day of the total mess of the mass testing. In this link from US

https://twitter.com/FrontMkt/status/1304792389068795904/photo/1

one can see both the enormous amount of different tests around and almost universally accepting 40 cT as positive.It would be interesting to see a similar list in the UK and at which level they accept pos result.

127296 Basics, 4, #649 of 1466 🔗

For info. Ruptly Youtube Munich protests are not streaming smoothly. I’m suspicious but can prove nothing.

Crowds look big and peaceful in positive spirit from what little I can gather.

127298 annie, replying to annie, 6, #650 of 1466 🔗

Sorry because I know this has all been dine before, but can somebody point me to the legislation/rules on face nappy exemptions and hidden discrimination? I want to be armed at all points for Gulag Wales on Monday.
In particular, I know a stallholder in our indoor market who is very distressed at being ordered to wear a mask. As if it wasn’t enough to have his business under constant threat of annihilation.

127303 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 1, #651 of 1466 🔗

Lawnotfiction, might be slightly different in Wales.

127330 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to RickH, 1, #654 of 1466 🔗

Many thanks, all.

127317 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to annie, 3, #655 of 1466 🔗

Get an exemption card. You can get one on this website or if you want an “official” looking one go to Etsy and buy one for £2.99 next day delivery (or was a couple of months ago when I got mine).

127332 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #656 of 1466 🔗

I’ve sent for one, and a spare, which I will give to me stallho,der.

127393 ▶▶▶ LuluJo, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #657 of 1466 🔗

Definitely get one from Etsy – it looks ‘official’ and everyone I’ve had to show it to has backed right off. Even fooled the husband who said ‘how did you get an NHS one?’

127323 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to annie, 1, #658 of 1466 🔗

Point him in the direction of the exemptions. Distress counts.

127333 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to jhfreedom, 1, #659 of 1466 🔗

Will do. Just want to print it all out so’s I can thrust it in the face of any little Hitler.

127392 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to annie, #660 of 1466 🔗

I’ve got a lanyard and handwritten card just in case.

127376 ▶▶ Julian, replying to annie, #661 of 1466 🔗

Did the Welsh government give a reason for the change of heart?

127469 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Julian, #662 of 1466 🔗

Mr Drakeford said that if coronavirus got a grip in our communities, then “we will see an increase in serious illness, hospital admissions and deaths”.

He said people who refused to wear masks would face fines of up to £1,920.

From Monday, only six people will also be allowed to meet indoors in Wales as he seeks to slow the growth of coronavirus infections across Wales.

The new limit of six people, who must all belong to the same extended household group, will only apply indoors. The rule will not apply to children aged 11 or under. It will apply in all pubs, restaurants and private homes. Up to 30 people will still be allowed to meet outdoors.

Speaking about the decision on face coverings, he said: “Today we will go to a position in Wales where 20 people in 100,000 in Wales are suffering from coronavirus. Having reached that threshold we will be making the use of face coverings mandatory in shops and closed public spaces.”

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/coronavirus-lockdown-drakeford-updates-six-18915251

127630 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #663 of 1466 🔗

Twenty in one hundred thousand. Twenty. And not ill, just testing positive.
In Pembrokeshire, six in one hundred thousand. And that’s just after the tourist season, when the place was heaving.
No Covviedeaths in Wales this week. None.
Somebody’s been getting at Quackerduck.

127887 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Mr Dee, #664 of 1466 🔗

OK, so the logic is that previously masks were not mandated because evidence for their effectiveness was insufficient, now that there are more “cases” masks are needed, but are still as useless as they were before. FFS.

127301 Bugle, replying to Bugle, 36, #665 of 1466 🔗

Thursday, Matt Hancock got laughed at in the Commons. Yesterday, Boris held a video call with 100 MPs, attempting to persuade them of the validity of his policies. They were not reassured. Yesterday there was a propaganda onslaught against ‘young people’, you know, that dreadful out-group who want to live and enjoy life. Today, the propaganda onslaught is turned on the middle-aged. This a clear sign of desperation on the part of the government. They know the public has reached tipping point; the cracks are starting to appear.

For the record, I’m nearly at retirement age and I couldn’t care a toss about Covid-19. I do care about abuses of power though.

127315 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Bugle, 8, #666 of 1466 🔗

Well said in your last paragraph.

The whole basis of medical ethics is that, in a risk assessment, the benefit of any treatment should be shown to outweigh harm.

This has now been clearly turned on its head.

127329 ▶▶ annie, replying to Bugle, 10, #667 of 1466 🔗

I’m past that age and I don’t give a stuff.

127372 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Bugle, 11, #668 of 1466 🔗

Me too.
I’m retired, and several years into the “death zone.”
I also ready to help man the barricades against the government.

127439 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Lms23, 4, #669 of 1466 🔗

Me too(71) see you and all freedom loving people of all ages on the barricades.

127501 ▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #670 of 1466 🔗

Same age as you FP, already lived 20 years longer than my dad. But I want to enjoy whatever years are left to me.
In the early days of lockdown I used a variation from St Greta – ‘Your government has stolen my life’. Even more true now than it was in March.

127521 ▶▶▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to davews, 3, #671 of 1466 🔗

Not yet your age Dave but was enjoying retirement up until March…I can make no sense of what is happening at the moment and my main concern now is what lies ahead for my two lads (26, 29)…

127679 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to davews, #672 of 1466 🔗

Let us live and die in peace.

127622 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #673 of 1466 🔗

I’ll be there.
ot Les Misérables but Les Furieux.

127588 ▶▶ Keen Cook, replying to Bugle, 7, #674 of 1466 🔗

Me too mid 60s – I fiercely defend my right to live as I wish & take my own risks. How dare they take that away from me on so little evidence that is so very flimsy.

127304 NickR, replying to NickR, 2, #675 of 1466 🔗

This is data up to yesterday deaths to positive tests.
Is there a trend?

127308 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to NickR, #676 of 1466 🔗

Yes!

DavidC

127320 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, 1, #677 of 1466 🔗

Indeed there’s a trend … it’s the Pied Piper heading towards La La Land.

127336 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to NickR, 1, #678 of 1466 🔗

Same as Swine Flu

127318 Andrew, replying to Andrew, 7, #679 of 1466 🔗

I thought it was now fact that a lot of the assumptions in Prof Ferguson’s lockdown inducing model were overblown. He was light years out on infection/death rates, natural immunity and asymptomatic cases. Why are the Govt still using it as a template? If the Govt are really reluctant to go for more and more draconian policies why haven’t they consulted scientists who do not agree with SAGE – there are a growing number of them?

127321 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Andrew, 2, #680 of 1466 🔗

Why are the Govt still using it as a template?ӣ

Guess.

128100 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Andrew, #681 of 1466 🔗

They have consulted numerous scientists who do not agree with SAGE, and called SAGE members and questioned them.. Read the proceedings of the Commons Committee on Science and Technology, 13 sessions March to July so far, interrogating Ferguson, Giesecke, (Tegnell’s predecessor), people from MIT plus a shedload of experts in everything from vaccines to R numbers (‘somthing of a monster’, opined Woolhouse, Edinburgh prof).
This govt aren’t just not listening, they’ve got their fingers in their ears going la la la.

128742 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Andrew, #682 of 1466 🔗

Sure beats me.

127324 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #683 of 1466 🔗

Much current media wailing and gnashing of teeth over rising dodgy test results (cases) but in between all that a note that they are worried that hospital Covid 19 cases have gone up by 120 to 863 which I made 0.0014% of the population, it’s a wonder any of us can crawl out of bed and make it to the computer keyboard to post a comment before we pass away.

If we continue to have a huge disparity between hospital cases and test result/cases then it may start to raise questions. I struggle to find this hospital information, I have this link
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/
Is that the best place to look for hospital data or is there a better source? Thanks

127344 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to Steve Martindale, 2, #684 of 1466 🔗

I understand there are 1257 hospitals in the U.K. so each hospital has less than 1 Covid patient and how many will die and how old will they be.

127621 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Smelly Melly, #685 of 1466 🔗

If there aren’t enough Covvie to go round, do local hospitals draw lots, or get one limb each?

127327 Nessimmersion, 22, #686 of 1466 🔗

Noticed this summary of current policy:

127334 Basics, replying to Basics, 3, #687 of 1466 🔗

A moment on Saturday to talk about the elephant in the room. Bill Gates arms and body language. I know it’s agreed bad form to comment personally about these people but.

If you or I waved our arms about like him our friends and family would be scared. It is so outlandish the camera has to keep back from him to get his gesticulations in shot.

It is known that cameras like people to hardly move as they speak. Also known is a technique influencers use it to waft arms about to present energy and engagement – this is false and bugging obviously. Just see a bbc roving reporter to know what I mean. Yet Bill Gates movements appear to me to be a different level.

Without his arm movements the man has very little presence. A smug grin and a voice that is neither warm not confident. I notice a learned habit he has is to readjust himself in his seat at the end of every question asked, as he begins his answer. It reminds me of someone adjusting piles.

Seeing him not only flap his arms about like hitler but also touching his thumb and ring finger as he extends his arms is unsettling and creepy. Are there psychological reasons for what his arms do? I haven’t paid attention to know where his eyes tend to when he speaks. There are reliable techniques for using repeated eye movements to gain insight of a prisoner or witness truthfulness.

Looking back at his depostion hearing for the Micro soft anti trust case it’s clear he has some issues, bouncing in his chair like someone a quarter of is age might. I also saw signs of self comforting and a reliance on sugar to keep himself sparky.

Does anyone have any expert insight into what is going on with his extraordinary arms? It is glib to say it but to me his body language appears megalomanical and trait of egostism or psychopathy.

127365 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Basics, 3, #688 of 1466 🔗

He has Aspergers, what that says about arm flapping who knows?

127371 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to David Grimbleby, 1, #689 of 1466 🔗

Thanks. I didnt know he is daignosed with aspergers. This makes things more understandable to me.

127338 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 7, #690 of 1466 🔗

From my local paper .

“The number of coronavirus cases in Wiltshire has risen by more than four times in the last week.

In the seven days to September 6, 86 cases were recorded in the Wiltshire Council area, going up from just 18 in the week to August 30.

The infection rate has also gone up, from 3.6 to 17.2 per 100,000 people.”

This is scaremongering and shows a lack of any scientific understanding on the part of the journalist. There have been 86 positive tests results not cases. It’s so frustrating.
So Wiltshire has a total approximately 500000 population and 86 positive tests, oh my god I’m terrified! Doom and destruction!

127377 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 2, #691 of 1466 🔗

Few journalists can grasp simple concepts like basic facts and truthful utterances – let alone have ‘scientific understanding’.

As Nick Davies has opined (‘Flat Earth News’), journalism has been replaced by ‘churnalism’.

One of the few amusements is to watch Huw Edwards inflate himself (like one of those lizards) with sublime indignation when faced with this obvious fact of professional decline.

127592 ▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #692 of 1466 🔗

Galway Bay FM News reported that 12 people have died in Galway since February ‘of’ the virus. Median age was 82. Average life expectancy in Ireland is around 81.5. Also, why masks are totally useless: today I saw a fellow juggling a mobile, a wallet, a coffee, and a mask. He put the mask IN HIS MOUTH to lessen his burden.

127604 ▶▶▶ Emily Tock, replying to Emily Tock, #693 of 1466 🔗

I should have said ANOTHER reason they are useless.

127674 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Les Tricoteuses, #694 of 1466 🔗

The infection rate has also gone up, from 3.6 to 17.2 per 100,000 people.”

This statistic is just so weird, it seems to me. At first glance, it looks like a ratio, and any normal person would assume that it meant that a number of randomised tests had been done and that the infection rate throughout the whole population had been inferred from the results. The difficulty, of course, being that such a ratio is way below the false positive rate of PCR tests.

The really sneaky thing about it, is that it looks as though it would automatically compensate for the number the number of tests carried out, i.e. a rise in infections per 100,000 is a genuine rise in the rate , not the absolute number of tests.

But – and correct me if I’m wrong – it isn’t any such thing. It is the absolute number of positive results from a batch of testing, divided by the population which it is assumed could have turned up for the tests. So if the number of tests increases and the false positive rate remains constant, this figure simply scales with the number of tests carried out. It means that as a number, and if the PCR test was reliable, it is probably way below the ‘infection rate’ in the population (because only a few have turned up for testing), but in terms of the ‘trend’, it is completely controllable by the authorities, who can play it like a stradivarius whenever they need to create a ‘spike’ or a ‘surge’.

127711 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #695 of 1466 🔗

I think Malcolm Kendricks latest post, COVID why terminology really, really matters is well worth a look

127339 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 5, #696 of 1466 🔗

Stocksbridge Park Steels v Stalybridge Celtic on BBC red button. Wonderful to see supporters standing shoulder to shoulder watching the football. Bit bizarre that subs sitting on the bench are wearing face masks. Nice to see happy faces.

127373 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, #697 of 1466 🔗

Decent game too

127416 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to stefarm, #698 of 1466 🔗

Stalybridge Celtic in decent game shocker! I know nothing but I remember when the celtic played away at Whitby. Freezing cold day, standing on two specially bought for the purpose polystrene cups to insulate from the concrete stand. Ah them were the days. Can’t tell you the score but can tell you the highlight was an away fan taunting the home crowd with a shout of “seagull shaggers!”. Mancunians eh.

127397 ▶▶ Edward, replying to stefarm, #699 of 1466 🔗

Thanks for the info, I’ve just put it on and will see the second half.

127340 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 10, #700 of 1466 🔗

Why are cases going up when all the bedwetters have been wearing face masks and antisocial distancing. Surely cases should be going down or is the policy for the past 6 weeks been ineffective? (Testing anything moves doesn’t help, but the hysterics like it).

127347 ▶▶ Lucan Grey, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #701 of 1466 🔗

Who is going to be our Rosa Parks and change the narrative?

127353 ▶▶▶ James Leary #KBF, replying to Lucan Grey, 6, #702 of 1466 🔗

I NEVER wear a mask on the bus. Will I do?

127589 ▶▶▶ SweetBabyCheeses, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #703 of 1466 🔗

I’ve not worn a mask once but no one has ever challenged me, not even a look or a sly comment (unless I’m already immune!) I don’t consent to T&T, I tell every business that has silly rules that I won’t be a customer until they get rid of them…everyone is just unfailingly polite and understanding! I feel like I’m constantly ready for a debate that no one actually wants to have?!

127366 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #704 of 1466 🔗

They’re blaming all the under-30 year-olds who’ve been partying and living their lives, and punishing the rest of us….

127468 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Smelly Melly, 4, #705 of 1466 🔗

My tuppence worth is that masks actually cause viruses to spread rather than preventing them unless used properly i.e. as they would be in an operating theatre. The general public touch their faces umpteen times to put them on, take them off and fiddle with them every 5 seconds. Having touched the grotty mask repeatedly, they then touch door handles etc. leaving virus particles behind for the next masked zombie to transmit when putting on / taking off / fiddling with the wretched face nappy.
I don’t think it’s coincidence that the rise in cases is being seen since masks were made mandatory. I believe countries such as Spain with increases are also mandatory maskers.
I know there are scientists who have spoken out against masks but does anyone know if any of them have seriously challenged the WHO or governments over their use?

127351 Nessimmersion, #707 of 1466 🔗

Guidelines:

127354 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #708 of 1466 🔗

Guidelines

127360 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #709 of 1466 🔗

When satire is less carzy than reality…

127357 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 4, #710 of 1466 🔗

How accurate is the PCR test, and how much credence should be given to positive results? This from The Telegraph live feed:

Ineos staff member who tested positive for coronavirus on Monday has returned two negative tests

The Ineos Grenadiers staff member who tested positive for coronavirus on Monday’s rest day, putting the team at risk of being sent home from the Tour de France, has now returned two negative tests for Covid-19, Telegraph Sport understands.

Ineos were one of four teams – along with Mitchelton-Scott, Cofidis and AG2R- La Mondiale – who had one member of staff each test positive for Covid-19 at the last round of testing.

With organisers ASO promising to send home any team who returned two positive tests in seven days, that put those four teams on red alert.

ASO has since confirmed that the ‘counter will be reset’ ahead of the next rest day on Monday. Nevertheless, Ineos would still have been sent home had any other staff member developed symptoms and then tested positive this week.

Telegraph Sport understands that the Ineos staff member, whose role it was to travel ahead of the race and prepare the hotels for the team, has now had a second PCR test and an antibody test. Both came back negative. The team are awaiting the results of a third PCR test. Ineos declined to comment.

127494 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tenchy, 1, #711 of 1466 🔗

Great! Get this out. These tests are useless

127358 PaulH, replying to PaulH, 32, #712 of 1466 🔗

Something terribly wrong here.

Illness and deaths falling away to negligible levels, but restrictions and compulsions increasing almost by the day.

Any good news swiftly buried by the MSM and discounted by politicians and “experts”.

Now it seems the “NHS Tracing App” will soon mutate into a “Covid Passport” without which you can even forget about going to a football match. How long will it be until this is a va$$ine passport, without which you be effectively locked indoors?

As each day goes by the “cock-up” explanations of all this look a bit more threadbare and it looks like something that is much darker.

129492 ▶▶ Mark, replying to PaulH, #713 of 1466 🔗

Not the usual Mark.

127370 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 15, #714 of 1466 🔗

So the dictator and handy cock intend to take and retain the DNA of the whole country (in the interests of national security obviously)

What would be the monetary value of such a database? Who will it be sold to?

How many MP’s and ministers get backhanders (apologies, I mean directorships and consultancy fees) from pharmaceutical companies?

How many pharmaceutical companies fund think tanks (the offshore, off balance sheet arms of political parties?). The answer is you will never know because it is kept secret

The future is extremely grim, we have become little more than lab rats

127374 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Cecil B, 1, #715 of 1466 🔗

Is there something in the MSM about this?

127461 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to DaveB, 1, #717 of 1466 🔗

Opportunistically egregious though this is, it seems it’s not about setting up a national DNA database. It’s difficult to wade through the opaqueness, obfuscation and gobbledegook of this type of government document, but on doing so, it appears to be about extending the time for which samples obtained by DNA rape under the auspices of terror legislation can be kept.

127617 ▶▶ annie, replying to Cecil B, #718 of 1466 🔗

If it’s your budgerigar’s DNA, or a banana’s, they are welcome to it.

127384 DRW, replying to DRW, 3, #719 of 1466 🔗

I went past my local train station for the first time since March and remembered that in the last weeks of real normality, metal posts for digital scanners had been added there and
at another station I used to frequent a lot. At the time I naively assumed we would get contactless card payments like in London. But quite chilling to think six months later that the CovidPass infrastructure could have already arrived before the actual epidemic.

127472 ▶▶ anon, replying to DRW, #720 of 1466 🔗

Jeepers.

127476 ▶▶ davews, replying to DRW, 1, #721 of 1466 🔗

I think those are just for online and similar ticketing, effectively an extension of the Oyster network outside the London area. My local station has had them for several years.

127716 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to davews, #722 of 1466 🔗

You’re probably right but I’m just very creeped out by all of this.

127386 Samhurt, replying to Samhurt, 5, #723 of 1466 🔗

Watched about an hour of the Paris protest today. Large thug element, unfortunately. Idiots setting citizen’s scooters on fire, dumping glass bins all over the street, smashing cars up. A man tried to defend someone’s vehicle from being bricked and ended up wounded on the ground for his trouble (the crowd let his assailant get away). There was a Che flag, lots of trendy militant imagery. I lived in Paris last year and my work brought me into contact with supporters of the yellow vest movement – as one who has never trusted in government or the police very much I can say with certainty that the militant ‘grassroots’ alternative is no better, it’s just the same nightmare of total control with a social ‘sciences’ vocabulary. Some downright odious characters amongst them, and I’ve met some mad ones in my time, including a few hardcore caliphate-fanciers and childhood-friends-turned-antifa-goons. Paris is, I’m afraid, in a sorry state all around, full of pests in uniform and out. Religious morality police patrol the slums of the Peripherique (and it’s not a myth, the police do nothing about it) while communist-ish saboteurs provoke a militarized and corrupt police force in the bourgesoi Centre, and much like everywhere else, the ‘liberals’ do nothing and the ‘conservatives’ don’t either, the press do what they do best (lie) and common people do what they’re told and don’t fight back. And like everywhere else in Europe, the only ones disarmed are the ones caught in the middle. No wonder Compliance Reigns! It happens in increments. In France, no-one ordinary did anything as entire neighborhoods became balkanized and churches were set on fire. Across the water, no-one ordinary did anything after Rotterham and Telford and Oxfordshire and all the horrid rest. Europeaners didn’t mass in the millions against online speech codes and international blasphemy laws. I know people who ‘marched for Charlie,’ well-educated, artsy and tech-y who think it should be a crime to not call a man (who is quite obviously a man) a woman (or vice versa). Covid Panic seems to joining up lots and lots of dots, and not just politically. And because ordinary folks’ resilience to bureaucratic mission-creep and corporate domination has been collapsed by television and junk food and masscult academic propaganda, the machos and the bullies will fill the gaps that need filling in the battle to come and freedom will continue to die the death, and Compliance will master us all as it always seems to do. Just ask the Free Spirit heretics of the Middle Ages!

Anyway, not a pretty sight from Plagueish Paree today. Not a fair sight anywhere, but maybe my lenses are crooked.

127467 ▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Samhurt, 1, #724 of 1466 🔗

Eloi and Morloks

127390 hotrod, replying to hotrod, #725 of 1466 🔗

The Daily Mail talk of rises in hospitalisations.

Where are the details behind this?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8725147/Worrying-signs-infection-old-R-rate-rises-1.html

Surely the sceptic argument fails if this is REALLY the case?

Can anyone reassure me?

127405 ▶▶ Julian, replying to hotrod, 13, #726 of 1466 🔗

Well whether this reassures you or not I don’t know, but it depends which sceptic argument you are referring to.

If the argument is that covid doesn’t exist, or that no-one will ever die from/with it, ever again, then perhaps the argument does fail, though one would need to understand more about the nature of these hospitalisations.

But I don’t many people would argue that case. The fundamental case is that undertaking a huge, untried intervention of the nature that has been used by our government requires compelling evidence that the benefits are likely to outweigh the harms, and that the risk to public health is so great that desperate, hazardous measures are needed. I don’t think it’s even close – the harms outweigh the benefits by orders of magnitude on any rational measure. It’s questionable even if Ferguson’s prediction were to have been true whether they would have been justified.

127415 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to hotrod, 4, #727 of 1466 🔗

Do they give actual figures or just a percentage increase? If just the percentage increase then the figures are quite probably very low, no more than bumping along the bottom. Always bear in mind that 2 is a 100% increase over 1 and that percentage increase is often used to make something sound worse than it is.

127425 ▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to Strange Days, 2, #728 of 1466 🔗

They do, numbers are in the article.

Hence my challenge on where they are sourced from and are they 100% Covid related?

127441 ▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to hotrod, 4, #729 of 1466 🔗

There is no tablulated data, note what Rick H says below regarding this. It does however mention 6 ICU patients. If 6 is the result of a 50% increase then the original number was 4.

I don’t wish to be rude but are you:
1) Playing devils advocate? In which case keep it up, always good to challenge assumptions
2) A more subtle troll trying to waste our time?

127446 ▶▶▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to Strange Days, 1, #730 of 1466 🔗

I can assure you, I am not a troll.

Just someone who trusts everyone on this forum and who has invested a lot of time converting family and work colleagues to this view.

Hence I worry when I see the opposite to what we are expecting to happen.

127456 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to hotrod, 1, #731 of 1466 🔗

You cannot mean you trust everyone, there is far too large a variation of views.

It is not the opposite of what is expected, the Mail article uses all the standard methods for obfusticating the reality by misrepresenting the figures.

Read the classic text on the subject, How to Lie with Statistics by Darrell Huff, it will open your eyes to how often statistics are used to mislead.

https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/How_to_Lie_with_Statistics.html?id=5oSU5PepogEC&redir_esc=y

127470 ▶▶▶▶▶ anon, replying to Strange Days, 2, #732 of 1466 🔗

2

127421 ▶▶ RickH, replying to hotrod, 5, #733 of 1466 🔗

Well ‘reassure’? Possibly.

The problem is threefold :

  1. The good, reliable CEBM data on hospitalisations is only available up to the end of August. And there isn’t the slightest sign of any uptick in hospital admissions to that point.There is no current rise in the rate of deaths from Covid.
  2. The overwhelming use of the word ‘cases’ is the clue : i.e what is being reported, both in and out of hospital are results for the inappropriate and inaccurate results of the PCR test. We know that we have a ‘casedemic’ – i.e an artefact of a wildly massive growth in testing.
  3. There is a tendency to attribute a wide range of quotidian respiratory tract infections to Covid – especially when it suits the political agenda.

It is very unlikely that there is any ‘surge’; every attempt to throw a scare from various forms of the Scary Fairy have been shown in retrospect to be false – especially if the MSM reports it.

I’d want to see some real evidence for such an unlikely event.

127443 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to hotrod, #734 of 1466 🔗

The Guardian was making the same point, hospital cases up by 120 to 863 in recent weeks. Not sure where they get this figure, the one link I have for hospital cases is;

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/

This is not an easy set of stats to follow and I am not sure it is where I should be looking?
But I do think that the comparison between hospital cases and dodgy test result/cases is going to be important.

127465 ▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to Steve Martindale, #735 of 1466 🔗

Agree. That should be “our” dashboard.

127466 ▶▶▶ Yawnyaman, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #736 of 1466 🔗

Hospital stats are not kept systematically and are often absurd simplifications. They do give a broad idea but beyond that require careful interpretation by professionals with a good understanding of the underlying evidence.

127475 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to hotrod, 4, #737 of 1466 🔗

Heneghan talked about this on Spectator TV. If you go into hospital with an in-growing toenail but test positive for asymptomless Covid, you are counted as a Covid hospitalisation. This means that as hospitals come on-stream again after being put into suspended animation, they will catch more ‘hospitalisations’ whether really infected or false positives or whatever.

Someone yesterday also pointed out that people coming into hospital are given multiple Covid tests, making the chance of catching a false positive or maybe an asymptomless infection (if there really are any infected left in Britain at all) much higher.

127707 ▶▶ Will, replying to hotrod, 1, #738 of 1466 🔗

If there was a rise in hospitalisation in Sweden we might be in trouble.

127391 Dave #KBF, 3, #739 of 1466 🔗

Keep Britain Free interview “ Leah Butler-Smith interviews Jennie Lowes, a front line health worker for decades, Jennie has seen many pandemics and the NHS response to them”

Interesting hearing from someone who has seen how The NHS deals with situations from the inside.

127399 Beowa, replying to Beowa, 1, #740 of 1466 🔗

And yesterday this little gem was passed as a Statutory Instrument
Welcome to the New JUNTA

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/973/made?view=plain

127422 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Beowa, 1, #741 of 1466 🔗

If you make derived data products from these fingerprints and DNA you are not bound by the regulation to destroy it.

Which is what typically happens

127403 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 27, #742 of 1466 🔗

With the introduction of the new rules in England and Wales delayed until Monday, John Apter, the chairman of the Police Federation for England and Wales, said: “There is a real risk some members of the public will take advantage of the current situation and treat this weekend as a party weekend ahead of the tighter restrictions being introduced on Monday.
“Using the current situation as an opportunity and excuse to party would be incredibly irresponsible and put pressure not only on policing, but potentially on the ambulance service and NHS.”

Dear John, please fuck off you pig ignorant shit

127409 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Cecil B, 6, #743 of 1466 🔗

He’s a scumbag of epic proportions.

127407 Basics, replying to Basics, 6, #744 of 1466 🔗

Unusual happenings in Paris. Casseurs have been rampaging through the streets causing damage to street furniture etc. They are now kettled by police. The press and tv cameras have all been pushed out of sight of the kettle. Casseurs were used on yellow vest days to acting as agent provocateurs. Are the cameras likely to capture occurances some one would not like seen?

127408 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Basics, 2, #745 of 1466 🔗

Yes, watching it, very sinister

127431 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Cecil B, #746 of 1466 🔗

Reservoir apps youtube channel is streaming protests from elsewhere in paris.

127411 Edward, replying to Edward, 6, #747 of 1466 🔗

I was too kind to Private Eye yesterday when I gave a qualified thumbs-up to part of MD’s column. Later in the rag there’s a “satirical/humorous” item based on the notion that the Trafalgar Square protest was entirely composed of crazy conspiracy theorists.

In other news, my local indoor shopping centre seems to have abolished the one way system, except at the entrance doors. It was largely being ignored anyway. The place is still populated by zombies with only a handful of free citizens.

127428 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Edward, 7, #748 of 1466 🔗

Was it Ghandi that said ‘first they ignore you then laugh at you. Then they fight you, then you win’?

I think we are somewhere between the laugh/fight stage.

127712 ▶▶ Will, replying to Edward, 2, #749 of 1466 🔗

Even though I am a Remain voter I was disgusted that Hislop took an editorial line over Brexit and stopped my subscription. I bought it out of interest six weeks ago and was disgusted to read propaganda and not a single sceptical word in the entire edition. I won’t be buying it again until Hislop is gone.

127985 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to Will, #750 of 1466 🔗

I don’t mind reading one or two publications with views different to mine – it’s a good way to test and improve the robustness of my own views. Private Eye now fulfils that role but it didn’t use to!

127412 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #751 of 1466 🔗

Party name suggestion: Think

Something people need to do more if they don’t want to be treated like livestock.

127424 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #752 of 1466 🔗

I like the idea of one word.

I suggested ‘Hope’. This could then be followed up with slogans, ‘I’ve got Hope’, ‘Do you need Hope?’ etc

127413 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 16, #753 of 1466 🔗

FGS the tour de France is depressing, all those outdoor masked victims, no fresh air in that lovely countryside, for them

127432 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #754 of 1466 🔗

Yes, I had the same thoughts when I dipped into it briefly the other day.

I used to enjoy the Tour, but this time it went off after about 30 seconds.

It looked like a medical fetishists’ party. Ugggh!

127444 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to PaulH, 3, #755 of 1466 🔗

I agree. Seeing the interviews at the end once has changed my admiration for the riders.

A Lyon court found masks were not compatible with French law a week or two ago.

127458 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Basics, 9, #756 of 1466 🔗

An AG2R rider- Nans Peters IIRC- did refuse to be muzzled for his post-stage win interview. Top man.

127460 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to DRW, 3, #757 of 1466 🔗

Brilliant to hear thanks. Might even make the others wearing them useful in as much as his protest was possible. Top man as you say. Get him on the podium again!

127498 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #758 of 1466 🔗

What always makes me laugh is the post-race interviews where the riders are masked up but there’s a plastic cover over the microphone too. Surely these sacred masks could not be ineffective after all???!

127417 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 26, #759 of 1466 🔗

Went into town today. Market day, very nice. Went to visit the Adnams store for some Bitburger Pilsner. Cued up outside (social distancing) put on the Sunflower Lanyard with exemption Card in full site of the person dictating entry. Was not allowed to enter “have you got your face mask?” I pointed at the lanyard, “Are you Exempt, I can’t see what it says”. My blood boiled and I walked away in fury. Got about 10 foot away, turned around went back and said I was going to write a complaint on the grounds of discrimination. Then another member of staff appears, fully masked up with a respirator mask and starts trying to explain how they don’t know what the badge says. Blah blah blah.

Honestly, I detest having to use a poxy lanyard at all. I do so to avoid conflict. And yet end up with this nonsense. What has this country / world become ?

127423 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Leemc23, 8, #760 of 1466 🔗

Q: Why is this so hard for them to understand –

Those who have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering should not be routinely asked to give any written evidence of this, this includes exemption cards.

A: Because they haven’t even bloody looked at it!

127477 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #761 of 1466 🔗

The civil servants put in an obvious get out clause: “routinely”. They only have to claim they were conducting random checks or thought in good faith that the person was being checked on for the first time.

127437 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Leemc23, 7, #762 of 1466 🔗

Yes give Adnams a miss. Vote with your feet, order online from an independent supplier.

Massive yellow sign (2/3 of window) in my local Adnams reads: HELLO! PLEASE WAIT TO BE ASKED TO COME IN
[yes, all in capital letters]
Not interested

127555 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Victoria, 3, #763 of 1466 🔗

…I was so keen to avoid any issues that I actually saw that sign and waited like a good boy, despite only looking like one other non staff human being was in the shop ! Ridiculous. In future I won’t even bother with the F ing Lanyard. I am early 40’s and guess I look reasonably fit – if I was a hobbling mess maybe I would not be challenged ! Clown world

127449 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to Leemc23, 10, #764 of 1466 🔗

Are these people so short sighted, they are signing their business and jobs away.

Maybe our response should be ‘i hope you enjoy signing on as you will very soon be without a job’

Shopping is a soulless experience, no chat, no smiles, no background music. Incredible.

127451 ▶▶ Sikboy, replying to Leemc23, 14, #765 of 1466 🔗

I know this might sound hyperbolic, but as useful as the lanyards are, they do have troubling parallels to the Star of David armbands Jewish people were forced to wear in Nazi Germany. For that reason I can’t bring myself to use one while sans mask.

I really feel for you during that interaction, humanity is deserting some people.

127479 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Sikboy, #766 of 1466 🔗

The key is: truly voluntary of mandatory in law and reality. If the latter then the parallel is there I think.

127493 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Sikboy, 2, #767 of 1466 🔗

I am a member of the campaign group Us for Them on Facebook and there have been 2 occasions where exempt children have had to wear stars on their uniform. One of the posters said there’s lots of Polish children in this school too…

127578 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to nocheesegromit, -2, #768 of 1466 🔗

What does Trump say, Fake News? Why do people believe every single thing they read on FB?

127559 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Sikboy, 2, #769 of 1466 🔗

Completely agree. And the Sunflower ones, which I got from advice from British Heart Foundation, are especially bright and cheerfully repressive. I only got one to avoid conflict when out with the kids and Mrs, wish I had not bothered now as despite trying to avoid problems seems this mental and pathetic society is designed to ensure problems.

127471 ▶▶ ChrisW, replying to Leemc23, 1, #770 of 1466 🔗

I had an unpleasent visit to an Adnams shop just before Mask Day. Being sent back out because there were already 3 people in the shop, told to use the hand sanitiser, getting in trouble for picking a bottle up and not buying it which then had to be quarantined. Buying beer should be enjoyable!

127561 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to ChrisW, 3, #771 of 1466 🔗

The irony of selling intoxicating and unhealthy products in a Covid secure way should not be missed. Hope they go bust.

127491 ▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Leemc23, 3, #772 of 1466 🔗

These shops need to get their act together, if I was a door guardian and anyone approached with any form or lanyard I would simply welcome them into the shop. The shop is not responsible for wether a shoppers wears a mask or not, that is the responsibility of the individual shopper.

It is not the responsibility of anyone running a shop to enforce anyone to wear a mask.

Problem is few people are thinking for themselves they are relying upon dictats from head office.

Lee23 don’t let this bad experience put you off going about your business.

127574 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Dave #KBF, 8, #773 of 1466 🔗

Thank you. I’m likely to sulk on it and withdraw even more. The thing for me is, as a heart attack survived from my 30’s!, is that just moving forward with a condition is bad enough. That’s without society and fear porn screaming covid and death at you everywhere you go. I recognise life is full of risk and not full of guarantees. Enjoy every day. What’s happening with Covid is wasting every day, time we don’t have to waste waiting for a moment that might not ever come. That’s why I like this website. It’s supportive of sense and full of people who just want to get on !

127580 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Leemc23, 6, #774 of 1466 🔗

Yes, and be sure to get on, remembering that every positive act, however small, is a kick in THEIR teeth. Resistance doesn’t have to be spectacular, but it does have to be determined.

127961 ▶▶▶▶ wat tyler, replying to Leemc23, #775 of 1466 🔗

Hi Lee ,Not long ago i got refused service in a millets store for not having a mask even though i said i was exempt .I went and complained to their customer services and got an apology and a £10 voucher and assurances that said employee had been told how to behave .Today i went to the store and choosing tee shirt waited for the person i had the problem with to get near the till before going up ,so he would serve me .I walked up there gave him the tee shirt and voucher whilst he looked to the side and the floor and anywhere but my face ,he was totally fucking embarrassed and this is a man who was shouting his mouth off a few weeks back and refusing to go anywhere near me .Anyway the moral of the story is if they don’t treat you right always complain because if they can do it to you and get away with it they will do it to someone else.

128119 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Leemc23, 1, #776 of 1466 🔗

Because many companies I suspect don’t bother training their staff properly. Its also appalling that I’ve not encountered anyone who knows even the bare bones of the Equalities Act and GDPR.

They should be charged with negligence and dereliction of duty (assuming such a thing exists)

127427 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #777 of 1466 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGw-zItrOKQ

The Keep Britain Free Show Episode #2 – Medical View of Covid 19

127486 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, #778 of 1466 🔗

Great post

127430 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 8, #779 of 1466 🔗

In scuba diving there is the concept of the Panic Funnel. When something happens underwater, be it you lose your reg, air, your buddy etc, what you do next and how calm you are can save your life.

The Panic Funnel when it occurs and you don’t remain calm results in your death.

We are seeing the Panic Funnel here as various options to extricate society from disaster (coming soon) are being ignored and squandered. All because of the narrowing funnelview as it were and the misguided focus on tests, all of which happened in 2009.

But in 2009 you already head the GFC

127436 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to mhcp, 6, #780 of 1466 🔗

The first thing my SCUBA instructor told us was that there was no need to teach us how to breathe. It’s something we all know how to do and have done since being born.

In all this drama it seems many have forgotten how to breath and are acting as if they’ve just been born and require to relearn things they already know.

127447 ▶▶ Sikboy, replying to mhcp, #781 of 1466 🔗

Great perspective, I remember hearing something similar during training.

127515 ▶▶ Basics, replying to mhcp, 2, #782 of 1466 🔗

Panic Funnel. Really excellent to give it a descriptive name. Hillwalking tactics for finding yourself lost above a cliff on a featureless moor with low cloud and night setting in are pretty robust. Take a seat, break out the fruit loaf and tea. Have a bite and reappraise.
Proposing (kneeling to the map) is the faster version, a scrap of food is important.

127720 ▶▶ Phoneutria, replying to mhcp, #783 of 1466 🔗

Presumably when your air supply fails you’re not allowed to share your buddies’ mouthpiece. Too dangerous!

127722 ▶▶ Drawde927, replying to mhcp, #784 of 1466 🔗

“Availability cascade” is another very applicable term (Wikipedia has a very long and detailed article), relating to self-reinforcing, collective, cognitive bias, especially when fuelled by the media.

127433 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, #785 of 1466 🔗

Does anyone know if this week’s ONS random survey results are out yet?

127459 ▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #786 of 1466 🔗

It was released yesterday.

Their estimate is now 1 in 1400 and they suggest an increase. Mmmm ….. Big but (as always) :

We use current COVID-19 infections to mean testing positive for SARS-CoV-2, with or without having symptoms, on a swab taken from the nose and throat.”

… so the same inaccuracies apply as have been noted generally for PCR testing – so, assuming that the number of cycles of replication are in the range that has become standard, a better estimate of significant positives is probably between 1 in 5000 and 1 in 14000.(Who knows? Doh!) depending on the estimate for meaningful ‘positives’.

The whole thing is a confused mess – not because the basic statistical analysis is wrong, but because the base data and definitions are crap.

127727 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to RickH, #787 of 1466 🔗

Thanks. I was hoping they’d continue to show a decrease or at least no change…

127438 Basics, replying to Basics, 10, #788 of 1466 🔗

Having never seen one can I ask what does a social media climb down look like?

The oceans of vitriol from mask wearing followers of government enforced supestitions is large. Social media time lines full of wishing skeptics die a suitable death etc.

How can these people change heart in the realm of social media when 100s of friends and family know how fervent they have been?

127445 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Basics, 9, #789 of 1466 🔗

Sounds like the charming people on Twitter, after the referendum result was announced, who wished all Brexit voters got cancer and died, or that someone should stab Farage in the eyes….

I kid you not.

127463 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Lms23, 2, #790 of 1466 🔗

I remember the cancer comments, nice people

127474 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dave #KBF, 4, #791 of 1466 🔗

The Guardian comments at the time were horrible and violent, including calls for killing of Brexit voters. Not all but probably most, hate speech emanates from the Left.

127482 ▶▶▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to OKUK, 4, #792 of 1466 🔗

Like this tweet from Terry Christian

127484 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to tonyspurs, 4, #793 of 1466 🔗

Nice!! (meant in a sarcastic way)

127550 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendy, replying to tonyspurs, 3, #794 of 1466 🔗

Totally shows his ignorance as flu does affect children and young people seriously, with more deaths in these age groups than Covid. I also note any Covid disinformation will be removed but insighting violence and wishing suffering is acceptable!!!!

127551 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew, replying to tonyspurs, #795 of 1466 🔗

127553 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Andrew, replying to tonyspurs, 1, #796 of 1466 🔗



127713 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Drawde927, replying to tonyspurs, #797 of 1466 🔗

Obviously at that date (August 2019) people still believed in herd immunity!
(referring to “Moz”‘s comment in the above comment thread pic)

127807 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Alison9, replying to tonyspurs, #798 of 1466 🔗

Terry clearly has no idea if he thinks an untested and unnecessary vaccine will save the righteous.

127562 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to OKUK, 1, #799 of 1466 🔗

You obviously have a very limited range of reading.

128140 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to OKUK, 1, #800 of 1466 🔗

Yes, the Guardian certainly did a few big pieces with some really vile Remainers, eg. Ian McEwan, calling for the deaths of a couple of million Brexit voters. Either the Guardian or Independent also did several pieces inc. detailed graphs and bar charts, involved in charting [either likely or confirmed] Brexit voters as they died or got seriously ill, attempting to perfect the timing of a push for a 2nd referendum. Yep. lovely people.

127548 ▶▶▶ wendy, replying to Lms23, 2, #801 of 1466 🔗

I stumbled across a pro lockdown twitter used site today. Gosh I was so appalled as they were wishing all sceptics and anti lockdown protesters dead of Covid or denying treatment to them if sick. We never say anything like that on here. It’s very worrying

127570 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendy, 4, #802 of 1466 🔗

Twitter is a foul cesspit. Avoid it. Leave the the sewage to stew.

127852 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to annie, #803 of 1466 🔗

I don’t have a twitter account, but I have a number of accounts bookmarked and refer to them often.

127657 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to wendy, #804 of 1466 🔗

Yep, all lives matter, except the ones we disapprove of.

127450 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Basics, 2, #805 of 1466 🔗

Not an SM user but the wokes did pull quite the u-turn over George Floyd and didn’t think anything of it, so it is possible if you push the right buttons.

127462 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to DRW, #806 of 1466 🔗

I’m glad I asked. Has that happened? Last I heard was a friends son being socially shamed for not having a fist on his page.

127496 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Basics, 4, #807 of 1466 🔗

The people who shamed the anti-lockdown protesters and anyone not StayingTheFuckAtHome and FlatteningTheCurve in April were the biggest cheerleaders of the huge riots and protests in May. Quite an u-turn of priorities.
Plus quite a few left that virtue party when official BLM accounts started attacking Israel. Evidently most don’t care about principle, just trends.

128147 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Basics, #808 of 1466 🔗

Isn’t the fist image taken from a stock image of a Communist China Party symbol?

Incidentally George Floyd was listed as a covid death.

127454 ▶▶ MDH, replying to Basics, 6, #809 of 1466 🔗

I’m keeping a very low profile on the socials. Not on Twitter and barely on FB these days.

My gut feeling is that it will be like postwar France and Germany, with many, many people denying they ever said such hateful things. The trouble is, the internet never forgets…

Personally, if the people posting foul comments were taken to the town square and had their heads shaved, I’d probably go along and cheer.

127572 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to MDH, 1, #810 of 1466 🔗

Hear hear.
You make a goood point about the Internet. The evidence of MSM loathsomeness will be easy to chrck.

127442 Basics, replying to Basics, 8, #811 of 1466 🔗

Paris Gillets live.
https://youtu.be/qWTgD4tmxuA
Speeches and random scenes happening now. A mixed and mostly peaceful protest. Masks have been stamped on symbolically.

127487 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Basics, 2, #812 of 1466 🔗

A lovely sight!

127566 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #813 of 1466 🔗

Great, vive la France, la tyrannie démasquée.

127448 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #814 of 1466 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSot5ZkZ47A

PAYMENT for Testing | Carl Vernon

127579 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #815 of 1466 🔗

Yes, one of the comments was great. Something to the effect of: the disease is so deadly you have to pay healthy people to take the test. How f*cked up is that???

127485 Peter, replying to Peter, 16, #816 of 1466 🔗

Today there’s been an NHS protest in london demanding higher pay. To my knowledge no thugs in police unfiroms turned up to harass or fine them. I think we should be looking at finding out when there will be future NHS payrise protests, and going along with signs saying “lockdown has wrecked the NHS, let us get back to treating heart attacks and doing hip replacements”. Or “We want our rights back mroe thn we are for pay rises, repeal the coroanvirus act, then we’ll negotiate salaries” Or “Covid only kills the elderly, mental health threatens everyone, defy any future lockdown”. Anything to amplify the picture that NHS staff are becoming lockdown sceptics (whether they are or not we can make it look like they are). That should get some pretty good public support, and dressed as a medic the police will keep away.

127509 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Peter, 10, #817 of 1466 🔗

As they are only operating at 20% capacity in hospitals, there is a good case for 80% of the staff to be placed on unpaid leave, or made redundant

A modest pay rise for the remaining 20% is fine

127533 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Peter, 13, #818 of 1466 🔗

My partner, senior nurse of 30 years, is disgusted at these pay demands. He works at a major Northern hospital, major respiratory centre, there were Covid patients but over half of the wards prepared for the Covid surge were never used, most staff had nothing to do as there are only so many who could be on the Covid wards. He is livid and trying his best to challenge things. He has sent Ivor Cummins video to senior consultants and he is beginning to think he will speak out and take the consequences

127488 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 3, #819 of 1466 🔗

1984 has now arrived at your front door.

127850 ▶▶ John P, replying to richard riewer, #820 of 1466 🔗

Really? I didn’t order it. Amazon do returns, I’ll send it back.

127490 T. Prince, replying to T. Prince, 13, #821 of 1466 🔗

Jesus H Christ…..

Guess what Fauci is telling the media now

“Bad old Fauci is doing the media rounds claiming that the openings took place too soon and too quickly, and suggesting that we need to stop lifting restrictions. We should stay in some kind of locked down state at least significantly into next year: “I just think we need to hunker down and get through this fall and winter, because it’s not going to be easy. We know every time we lift restrictions, we get a blip.”

Meanwhile, Dr. Scott Atlas, the Stanford physician and academic now advising the President, said on Twitter: “Prolonged lockdowns are killing people, destroying families, and harming kids, especially the poor.” (Edited from Twitterspeak.)”

127527 ▶▶ wendy, replying to T. Prince, 4, #822 of 1466 🔗

Let’s hope Dr Scott Atlas prevails.

127557 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to T. Prince, 2, #823 of 1466 🔗

Oh dear, people are so inconsistent:
‘Boris Johnson has said the UK will not need another nationwide lockdown despite expert warnings of up to 120,000 extra deaths during a second wave this winter.

The prime minister described the coronavirus restrictions he imposed on 23 March as a “nuclear deterrent” that he did not think he would ever have to use again’.
19 July, Indie.

127492 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #824 of 1466 🔗

Various posts today about the stats for number of covid hospital cases, this does seem a tricky area to pin down.
Newspapers report an increase of 120 to a total of 863, no idea where this figure comes from?
This link
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/
Gives a spreadsheet which I find hard to use, but picked up that for England
19th April 16,926 hospital Covid 19 cases
2nd Sept 451 hospital Covid 19 cases
3rd Sept 468 hospital Covid 19 cases
after 3rd Sept cannot find any data ????

This does seem a tricky area in which to find data but it does seem clear that any recent fluctuations in hospital cases are a small fraction of the numbers back in April. Indeed they would need a stats test to know if they were actually significant.

127514 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Martindale, 5, #825 of 1466 🔗

You’re absolutely right – it is difficult to find decent data.

A number of things come to mind :

  • It is pointless placing significance on small numbers and short-term variation that fall within the range of statistical noise.
  • If PCR data is used as the definition of a ‘Covid’ ‘case’, then you are in a chain (pun intended) of inaccuracies – straight away. This is especially true if the virus has receded to current levels.
  • Linked to the above : is a ‘Covid case’ defined as an individual with an identified RNA fragment – or is it a real clinical diagnosis that excludes any other causal agent ?
  • Given that, at its height in April, Covid never reached the community level of an ‘epidemic’, what does that say about current insignificant levels causing massive social disruption?

The lack of clarification over a period of six months suggests that there is no drive towards such clarification.

127518 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Steve Martindale, 6, #826 of 1466 🔗

Carl Heneghan keeps an eye on the admissions and deaths each week and puts it on his twitter. Let’s keep an eye on what he says. I am like others here and wonder how all of a sudden there are these increases in numbers just as more people are protesting and as we come up to the review of the coronavirus legislation extension due at the end of September. It all feels very suspicious.

127765 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to wendy, #827 of 1466 🔗

We need a graph, showing the increase in PCR tests, growing in line with the increase in scepticism.

127642 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Steve Martindale, #828 of 1466 🔗

Could some of the alleged increase be due to people admitted to hospital for other conditions after being neglected by the NHS for the last few months, being tested for Covid-19 and showing up as positive, not necessarily having symptoms?

127495 justmeabc, replying to justmeabc, 30, #829 of 1466 🔗

FOI submitted to DHSC today (sorry it’s a bit long):

I am writing further to the Prime Minister’s press conference on 9th September 2020 and the announcement of the new “rule of six” policy in connection with the coronavirus situation.

At the press conference the need for this new rule was predicated upon a significant rise in cases. One of the medical officers explicitly stated that this rise was not due to increased testing and stated that it was predominantly among young people. However:

  • Following the Black Lives Matter protests on 6th June, attended predominantly by young people, there was no corresponding uptick in cases;
  • Following the counter-protests on 13th June, attended predominantly by young people, there was no corresponding uptick in cases;
  • Following the major incident of half a million predominantly young people heading for the beaches on the south coast on 25th June there was no corresponding uptick in cases;
  • The Daily Telegraph is this morning reporting an increase of 92% in cases among the over 50 population.

From 24th July the government made face masks in shops mandatory. Looking at the government dashboard cases data, the seven day rolling average for cases on 20th July was 656. (Because the rolling average includes three days following the date itself, 20th July is the last day that does not include a day with mandatory masking.) As of 11th September the seven day rolling average is 2,761. This represents a 321% increase in cases in just seven weeks since the introduction of face masks.

I am well aware of the difference between correlation and causation. However there are conflicting scientific opinions, and no consensus, on the benefit of face masks. Public Health England’s 26th June 2020 rapid review found only “weak” and “limited” evidence for the efficacy of masks while Dr Jenny Harries, Deputy Chief Medical Officer, explained that they could well be counter-productive in this BBC interview . The government’s own website states “ The best available scientific evidence is that, when used correctly , wearing a face covering may reduce the spread of coronavirus droplets in certain circumstances , helping to protect others. ” My underlining demonstrates the equivocal nature of this statement.

In these circumstances, before recommending the “rule of six” to ministers and making mask-wearing a centrepiece of the new slogan and advertising, I feel sure that the government’s advisers will have analysed what contribution, if any, masks are making to the concerning increase in cases. Presumably this was done at the same time as the assessment of whether increased testing was the cause of the increase. I am therefore writing to ask: Was such an analysis carried out? If so, what is the assessment of the contribution to the current rise in cases of the mandatory mask policy since 24th July? If analysis is available I request a copy. If no such analysis was undertaken please advise why this was not considered necessary.

As regards the introduction of the mask policy on 24th July, I request copies of the risk assessment, cost-benefit analysis, and equality impact assessment that were undertaken to inform this decision.

Finally please advise when the government intends to formally review the policy on face masks. For the avoidance of doubt I know that the government keeps all its policies under continuous review; this is not what I am asking about. I wish to know when a formal review of the policy, as required within six months by the regulations, is to be undertaken.

127503 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to justmeabc, 2, #830 of 1466 🔗

Brilliant. Keep us updated.

127654 ▶▶▶ justmeabc, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, #831 of 1466 🔗

Thanks, will do!

127512 ▶▶ wendy, replying to justmeabc, 4, #832 of 1466 🔗

Fantastic, thank you for doing this for all of us.

127532 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to justmeabc, 3, #833 of 1466 🔗

This is brilliant. Do you mind if I use some of the info on my Facebook page?

127651 ▶▶▶ justmeabc, replying to Moomin, #834 of 1466 🔗

No problem, feel free.

127563 ▶▶ annie, replying to justmeabc, 1, #835 of 1466 🔗

Congratulations.

127576 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to justmeabc, 5, #836 of 1466 🔗

Excellent information. Another thing that I wondered if many of us could do is to write to the Advertising Standards Agency about the misleading nature of the current NHS advert. There is little evidence of masks helping anyone (as you ably point out) therefore the advert misrepresents the advice. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

127609 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ozzie, #837 of 1466 🔗

Does the AA have to respond?

128124 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Ozzie, #838 of 1466 🔗

I believe Peter Hitchens has written to complain to the ASA but it won’t hurt if more people write to show that more people think that the advert is misleading and should be reviewed at best and removed eventually.

127508 Dave #KBF, replying to Dave #KBF, 25, #839 of 1466 🔗

Thorntons is off my High Street shopping list…

Walked into the empty shop, this shop would usually be very busy. One of two masked sales people shouted card only, no cash, I commented that that was not very good, and was informed that it was an instruction from head office.

I said I hope she would enjoy her unemployment and walked out, the assistant then shouted at me that she hoped I would have a nice life, I will god allowing, because government certainly ain’t allowing a nice life.

I can only take so much *hit and the safety valve then blows off.

Phoned Thornton’s customer careline when I got home and was told that cash was being reintroduced into shops from this weekend, well no-one told the Lincoln branch.

I asked if they had lost many staff to deadly cash related incidents, the person said they did not have any details, I wonder why.

I did notice a big queue at Hotel Chocolat across the road, they are probably not fearful of cash. Thorntons you are the weakest link, goodbye

127522 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #840 of 1466 🔗

Well done. Hotel Chocolat is yummy

127537 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Dave #KBF, 5, #841 of 1466 🔗

A customer shops. Completely reasonable in my view.

Interesting detail cash is being reintroduced. Finding their customers are not prepared to use cards – the Thorton business analysis must have been blind not to have seen how customers make payments. Or did they have unfounded confidence imbibed into them from an external retail body? Good to hear the reversal. A hidden win there if it is not a fob off.

127544 ▶▶ wendy, replying to Dave #KBF, 2, #842 of 1466 🔗

I think you should write them a strong letter of complaint. They wished you dead. You spoke the truth that they faced unemployment.

127552 ▶▶ Ozzie, replying to Dave #KBF, 1, #843 of 1466 🔗

What is it about cash in the UK? Was in France and Belguim during August and paid cash in most places – no one blinked an eye or recoilled in horror.

127644 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Ozzie, 2, #844 of 1466 🔗

It’s a characteristic of nations of tax avoiders. Ever heard of Belgian dentists?

127757 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Ozzie, #846 of 1466 🔗

It’s a joke in France, that tax evasion is a national sport lol!

127558 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Dave #KBF, 6, #847 of 1466 🔗

Bit out of order telling her to “enjoy her unemployment” it is not her decision to make regarding taking cash, just look what happened to the lady who worked for Birds who allowed people to pay cash.

127634 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to JohnB, 3, #848 of 1466 🔗

Maybe it was but the entire High Street experience was so negative, someone was going to get a mild unpleasantness from me.

The three independent shops we visited all seemed fairly normal. large chains seem to be the ones pushing the danger message.

128132 ▶▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Dave #KBF, #849 of 1466 🔗

I tell them ‘I don’t do hysteria.’ – They don’t like that either, but it gets the point across well.

128125 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Dave #KBF, #850 of 1466 🔗

Agree with your last sentence and despite the Covid theatre present, the staff at Hotel Chocolat have been lovely.

127517 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 6, #851 of 1466 🔗

Headline in DM

‘stop clapping, start paying’: NHS staff who worked on the coronavirus front line protest across the country demanding better wages

–> should have read Covid-19 not coronavirus

127526 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 3, #852 of 1466 🔗

The clap was spreading at a time when most NHS staff were under-employed (and no – that wasn’t their fault).

127752 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to RickH, #853 of 1466 🔗

Exactly

127545 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Victoria, 1, #854 of 1466 🔗

We had a local rag run with a headline Clapping Doesn’t Pay Our Wages when 400 NHS tiktok staff protested at the parliament not so long ago.

Wonderfully self absorbed. Got to admire them. 50% council tax increase to come says Cosla so it is all worked out in the wash anyway.

127750 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Victoria, 1, #855 of 1466 🔗

Some NHS staff do deserve better wages and I think the way to do that, is skim off the fat cats. I didn’t clap for any of this, so why should I ( or any of us ) pay for this?

128148 ▶▶▶ kelly81, replying to PoshPanic, #856 of 1466 🔗

Sack every one of them who didn’t speak out against the lockdown. I wouldn’t trust someone who believed in evidence-opposing lockdown as competent to correctly diagnose any health condition I needed help for.

128145 ▶▶ kelly81, replying to Victoria, 1, #857 of 1466 🔗

So they get to protest, but Piers Corbyn gets arrested? Has our government decided to allow every protests, XR, BLM, NHS… except the ones we need right now? Or maybe our side just needs a handy acronym, perhaps protest is permitted so long as your cause has an acronym?

127520 Hopper, replying to Hopper, 5, #858 of 1466 🔗

Just thinking how it’s crazy the government trust me to choose whether to continue smoking when it’ll apparently kill half of all those that take it up, CFR of 50% is that?

But can’t be trusted to make my own decisions in the face of something that even at 1% would be of far lower risk to me and others assuming second hand smoke really is as terrible as said.

127531 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Hopper, 6, #859 of 1466 🔗

Absolutely.

It’s the age where Big Pharma has replaced Big Tobacco as a social menace.

127523 Drawde927, replying to Drawde927, 17, #860 of 1466 🔗

An excerpt from the Telegraph Sweden article (linked above) which was quite eye-opening to read:

Interestingly, while it is the right wing in Britain where you will usually find opponents of Covid restrictions, and of mandatory masks, conservatives seem to be the only people in Sweden arguing for more rules. Indeed, my other daughter, currently studying at university, says some of her young friends scoff at people who wear masks, quote research that shows they do more harm than good, and say people look ridiculous in them and can’t be taken seriously.

It shows how surreal the political polarisation is regarding lockdown and other anti-Covid measures (in the UK, US, and elsewhere). Not sure what other non-English-speaking countries are like in this regard? But it does feel like opposition in the UK is growing on both sides of the political divide, even if some sections of the media still sniffily talk of “libertarians”.

It definitely seems like Sweden’s approach is thoroughly vindicated now that “cases” are starting to drop even with increased testing.

127529 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Drawde927, 11, #861 of 1466 🔗

The point is that the left/right simpletons’ simplicities have broken down over this. The authoritarian/libertarian dimension has become much more salient in political definition.

127581 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to RickH, 2, #862 of 1466 🔗

It was going that way anyway, another example of Covid/lockdown speeding up social change as disruption does, not least the Black Death.

127540 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Drawde927, 11, #863 of 1466 🔗

Oh how I wish my fellow university students were as clued up as our Swedish counterparts.

127542 ▶▶▶ Andrew, replying to nocheesegromit, #864 of 1466 🔗

How do the laft actually view the situation in the UK?

127546 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Andrew, 2, #865 of 1466 🔗

There is no such entity as ‘THE’ Left.

128121 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to RickH, #866 of 1466 🔗

I thought it was found in the same club as “The” Science…! 🙂

127560 ▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Andrew, 7, #867 of 1466 🔗

In regards to my university (can’t speak for others), I would say the split is 75% in favour of Our Glorious Government’s measures. I regularly follow a ‘confessions’ page for my university on Facebook where people post about the usual student stuff as well as current topics and naturally there have been lots of posts about the pandemic. I have been commenting how the lockdown will do more harm than good and have been pleasantly surprised with there being fellow dissenters, but we are by no means in the majority. Perhaps there should be a group sent on an exchange year to Sweden to see how things could be so much better.

127823 ▶▶▶▶▶ Poppy, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #868 of 1466 🔗

My bf’s university has a similar confessions page – sadly lots of posts from students sanctimoniously complaining about other students who dare socialise.

128151 ▶▶▶▶▶ kelly81, replying to nocheesegromit, #869 of 1466 🔗

You dissenters have one advantage, you’re the x% who are willing to meet up and do something, against the 100-x% who are content only to cower at home.

127583 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to nocheesegromit, 2, #870 of 1466 🔗

Our Universities are going to be Covid Compliance Central months and years after everyone else has forgotten about it.

127603 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to karenovirus, #871 of 1466 🔗

Yes, the home of academic activity and reasoned argument.
Gulp.

127543 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Drawde927, 4, #872 of 1466 🔗

It’s just framing. The covid issue is ultimately about data and crosses polticial boundaries.

However, the media frame it in a way which suits their simplistic narratives and leans toward their readership – Guardian faux left, Daily Mail right.

I don’t see this as left or right in any sense.

127547 ▶▶ Hopper, replying to Drawde927, 6, #873 of 1466 🔗

I’m not a Corbyn fan (though did foolishly vote for him twice against Burnham et al, then Owen out of a sort of principle) but am a member of the Labour party and thorough sceptic from the start. I’d love to imagine a passionate plea to Starmer might convince him to change tack before the inevitable realisation of the populace that the whole thing was a crock of shit but unfortunately even if I think he’s able to change tack for purely political purposes it’ll be more because he’s a weathervane simply turning after the wind has than being able to come out firmly on the side of sanity.

Labour unfortunately has been largely taken over by people who call themselves socialists yet lack the (IMO) basic belief that socialism requires it’s society to be a society of hard workers striving for a greater common good. I don’t know what they really believe socialism to mean other than as a decorative nameplate for some thoroughly retarded views.

127554 ▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Hopper, 1, #874 of 1466 🔗

What’s your view on ‘Blue Labour’?

127597 ▶▶▶▶ Hopper, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #875 of 1466 🔗

I suppose it’s similar on the surface to Philip Blond’s Red Toryism, take away the most objectionable parts of your party and you might have some sort of electoral success. I appreciate there are people who’ll plug away at such dreams and maybe you could say the last Tory manifesto was a bit Red but if you assume as I do that the levers of power of both parties lie in their most extreme ends – City donors and land owners for the Tories, and the unions for Labour – then what’s the reality of the party changing beyond just the messaging it presents, while at their core they remain unchanged and still beholden to the holders of the purse strings.

A revitalised Labour needs a broader church of union members that won’t just echo one another, even if that means some unions choose to break financial ties as their members become less Labour oriented. Think Robert Halfon of the Tories has approached this that unions aren’t necessarily things purely on the left. If people feel they have skin in the game they’ll be more likely to engage positively. If you lean right why join a union if it’ll campaign for Labour? Unions birthed the Labour party sure, but it’s important they’re inclusive over party lines to all they represent and maintain their own independence.

127700 ▶▶▶▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to Hopper, 1, #876 of 1466 🔗

I was thinking that one interpretation of Blue Labour has it being economic radicalism with social conservatism. So possibly not incompatible with “ a society of hard workers striving for a greater common good”..? To my simple mind, it sounds like you get nationalisation of everything without the woke b*llocks..?

127619 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Barney McGrew, 2, #877 of 1466 🔗

Not aimed at me., I know – but my answer would be ‘Windy Bollocks’ – a variety of Nuliarbore.

127671 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Barney McGrew, #878 of 1466 🔗

Not a lot.

127590 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Hopper, 3, #879 of 1466 🔗

No – I wasn’t an uncritical Corbyn fan-boy : but I recognised that people (before the propaganda initiative got going) recognised that he represented a genuine non-careerist approach to political life – something Joe Public pretends to want, but then gets easily side-tracked into the same old, same old propaganda for known liars and narcissists like Johnson..

Starmer is undoubtedly a product of the establishment – one of the ‘Hollow Men’ glove puppets. Which is why he’s where he is.

I have yet to see an act of principle and passion emerging from him – all I see is a calculus of greasy pole-climbing.

There is no salvation in such a direction, the establishment hand is so far up his arse, and dishonest self-interest such a prime driver. Thus no opposition – other than quotidian nit-picking – around the current demolition of society.

I agree that this tendency has become the norm rather than the exception. Over the years I have worked with Labour Party members of a range of persuasions – some of whom would have blanched at the term ‘socialist’. I have also worked with Tories and LibDems with whom I might have parted company on a host of issues, but whom I could trust on common ground. Of course, the various coloured self-serving shits and incompetents were always there – but they didn’t dominate.

But I have never known a time when the benches of the HoC were so cluttered with granny-selling careerists (apologies to those who aren’t) with such shallow political roots. The damage done by the Blair era has been immense, and it is about character and experience rather than narrow political definition.

Note that, as Blair achieved, Starmer seems intent on narrowing the membership of the Party to match the raddled state of the Tory Party (and no – that’s not a sly dig at supporters here – it’s part of a general observation about the narrowing of the ‘political’ by a self-serving elite). Genuinely popular parties are hard to control, and the last thing that the self-serving elite in its many aspects want.

127606 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to RickH, #880 of 1466 🔗

Your last sentence hits the nail on the head.

127726 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Hopper, 1, #881 of 1466 🔗

The thing is I believe the weather vane types (great description) have over played their hand.

Take the Ivor Cummings analysis which is now gaining serious ground. People like Starmer, after watching something like it, could say ‘Oh well, the science has moved and now we are pushing against the scare mongering of the Tories’.

However, Cummings is very angry. He’s been saying the Irish Government are being outright corrupt. They are extremely uncomfortable bed fellows for the mainstream. Especially as Cummings etc have been saying much of this since March.

And I think that’s the case for a lot of these weather vanes. They haven’t been open minded enough throughout and have attempted to silence, not invite, debate. Classic group think behaviours.

There is a reckoning coming for these people. Their shio has sailed too far from port to make for an easy return.

127587 ▶▶ Norma McNormalface, replying to Drawde927, 9, #882 of 1466 🔗

I’ve been pondering this: In the US, if Trump had said this was a deadly virus, enforced masks and advocated a strict lockdown, you can be pretty damn sure the democrats would be pleading for their freedoms back, burning masks and demanding schools open.

Or… if the “official” mainstream media/WHO narrative was that the virus was perfectly harmless and we were told to carry on as normal, the people hiding in terror in their bunkers and wearing masks 24-7 would be the “conspiracy theorists”

Welcome to the post-truth world of identity politics.

127730 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Norma McNormalface, 1, #883 of 1466 🔗

Big time. Its so see through. And they’ve lost the run of themselves by not pursuing the truth.

128133 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Norma McNormalface, #884 of 1466 🔗

Remember back in January, Trump tried to place immediate restrictions on China. American Airlines too, they actually filed lawsuits, their staff were so concerned they wanted to stop flights to/from China. Cue 2 months of Biden, Sanders going straight on the attack – racist, xenophobic, white supremacist, yada yada. Fauci specifically said in February, the risk (from covid) is “miniscule” just wash your hands a bit. He also did a bit for the NE Journal of Medicine, saying fatality rate would likely be well under 1%, basically don’t worry all that much. CNN did several pieces about the severity of: ‘deadly virus has spread to 26 millions so far…’ but they were talking specifically about the flu, not covid. New York they told everyone to go to the movies, celebrate Chinese festivals, even as late as March… yes you’re basically right – not one mask on the streets then! Interesting that as soon as Trump mentions the word ‘vaccine’, K Harris and co immediately become “anti-vaxxers!” 🙂

127591 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Drawde927, 2, #885 of 1466 🔗

So liberty is now a dirty word. No more englightenment, back to the dark ages!

127742 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Drawde927, #886 of 1466 🔗

I didn’t see any evidence of left/right split in Trafalgar Square. It was as broad a church, as the country I felt.

127565 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 33, #887 of 1466 🔗

All this mask nonesence is fucking bollocks

127601 ▶▶ annie, replying to stefarm, 7, #888 of 1466 🔗

Got it in one.

127667 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to stefarm, 3, #889 of 1466 🔗

Agree. Got to back to work for orientation on Monday. Been ordered to wear mask on premises until we get to the training room, where we will be all day. You dont need to wear one then…. hmm.

127709 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Templeton, 2, #890 of 1466 🔗

But you are exempt from wearing a mask. How will they handle that? They can’t discriminate against you otherwise you can take them to a tribunal

127740 ▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to stefarm, 1, #891 of 1466 🔗

I was on Merseyrail last week ,the same line where that poor sod got manhandled off at Lime Street . Two Transport police persons came on our train checking tickets and passes, non mention of me and the wife’s masklessness , off they went. Maybe because we are oldies?

127567 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 2, #892 of 1466 🔗

Please sign this petition and distribute widely

Do not implement proposed changes to Human Medicine Regulations
We reject all of the UK Governments proposals outlined in their Consultation document from Aug 28th 2020 that proposes changes to Human Medicine Regulations to support the roll out of COVID-19 vaccines that would simplify the temporary authorisation, supply, use and promotion of unlicensed products.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/549793/signatures/new

127613 ▶▶ BJJ, replying to Victoria, #893 of 1466 🔗

Done

127568 hotrod, replying to hotrod, 8, #894 of 1466 🔗

Mainstream at last?

The comments on this thread pretty much nail where we are.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlStewartOBE/status/1304544199547772933

All it takes is a full debate between Ivor, Carl, Whitty and Valence.

That would be a rather interesting watch!

127584 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to hotrod, 2, #895 of 1466 🔗

Views on YouTube are now over 330k. 10k likes vs 290 dislikes.

127594 ▶▶ dpj, replying to hotrod, 3, #896 of 1466 🔗

As good as it has been to see people like Ian Brown come off the fence someone like Alastair Stewart is much more likely to waken up the brainwashed as he is a respected figure they might be prepared to listen to.

127714 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to dpj, #897 of 1466 🔗

Indeed. Says a lot though that such people who are supposed to have their ‘ear to the ground’ are beaten to the line by a weed smoking indie signer and a daytime TV presenter (Denise Welch)

Today’s tinfoil is tomorrow’s breaking news.

I’d say that BBC misinformation reporter is on borrowed time. First to the walk the plank for sure.

127746 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to dpj, #898 of 1466 🔗

Isn’t he a cancelled unperson for being racist or a nonce or something? I vaguely remember something about it. I used to enjoy his moralizing tone on that police speeding show.

128117 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to guy153, 1, #899 of 1466 🔗

He quoted an apparently objectionable Shakespeare phrase online… to which the numpty he was engaged in a Twitter spat with, promptly threw all his toys out the pram and kicked off big time. I’m not sure if he was technically fired from his job, or was just ‘asked nicely’ to leave. He garnered a little bit of support from a few other figures I recall at the time, several suggested that, as a white male over a certain age who retained personal critical thinking ability, he was on the shortlist to be persona-non-grata at ITV anyway…

127571 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 15, #900 of 1466 🔗

https://thecritic.co.uk/inside-university-marxist-societies/

Recommended,from The Critic.

Although not directly related to the current coronadrama, it does provide a compelling account of the dangers of cultish group think: particularly relevant for us, the dissenters from the party line here in Sturgeon land.

Masks everywhere this morning,all out in the open air.

I regret to say that I’m becoming more and more averse to any kind of contact with the mask-collective.

127585 ▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 9, #901 of 1466 🔗

That’s a healthy reaction.Humans and zombies don’t mix.

127593 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to annie, 4, #902 of 1466 🔗

Thank you Annie! I’m starting to feel like an alien life form!

127599 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to wendyk, 3, #903 of 1466 🔗

N po, they are the aliens. And repulsive ones at that.
Like H. G. Wells’ Martians.
Which didn’t last long.

127596 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to wendyk, 1, #905 of 1466 🔗

Ah, the young. Si jeunesse savait, si vieillesse pouvait. At least the writer didn’t take too long to eschew his youthful enthusiasms. Unlike three former members of the Revolutionary Communist Party, Claire Fox, (since ennobled by Johnson), James Heartfield and Dr Alka Sehgal Cuthbert who were selected as candidates for Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party in the 2019 European Parliament election in the United Kingdom, or Munira Mirza, Johnson’s right hand woman.

127602 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Bruno, #906 of 1466 🔗

Would you say that this is a type of entryism? Serious question,as I suspect that entryism is alive and well in our establishment.

The writer discusses it in his article.

My tin hat is on!

127605 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to wendyk, 7, #907 of 1466 🔗

Masks everywhere this morning,all out in the open air.

Do these ‘idiots’ not know that oxygen is critical for good health, now and longer term?

*idiots = can’t think of a more constructive description

127614 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Victoria, 7, #908 of 1466 🔗

Queue at the greengrocer this morning; I’m the only bare faced customer. Several grumpy old blokes with florid complexions : I suspect that the discomfort and obstructed breathing is adding to the poor colour and bad mood.

127643 ▶▶ Jane in France, replying to wendyk, 3, #909 of 1466 🔗

Hi, Wendyk. If you feel like scratching an itch you should look at the front page online of the National. I love it. On Thursday I counted seven photographs of the Dear Leader. Yesterday there were nine! I can’t see how there can be any advance on nine but I wouldn’t put it past them. The comments are even more Sturgeon than Sturgeon – more or less people should be put in prison for going to the pub.

127680 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Jane in France, #910 of 1466 🔗

The National is having another hissy fit because the Beeb has cancelled the daily news briefings.

The thought of this lot seceding and striking out alone into a tartan dystopia makes my blood run cold!

BTW, Salmond is doing another series on RT.

127731 ▶▶ Biker, replying to wendyk, 1, #911 of 1466 🔗

yes Wendy, bloody everywhere. People with little tots with masks on their wee faces building a lifetime of anxiety and compliance are really upsetting me. I’ve always known most of Scotland were drunk useless turds of human beings but now they’ve gone and proven it. I admit i’m a snob and can’t bare the lower classes but to see the way they’ve taken to this it’s like the DHSS has a box on their welfare forms that says tick if you wear a mask for extra free money and vouchers for Smart Price Chicken Nuggets.

127744 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Biker, 2, #912 of 1466 🔗

Strangely enough Biker, the useless junkies in my road don’t wear them. Perhaps they’re exempt!

I’m in bad company: ( loved the group, but not the junkies).

127763 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to wendyk, #913 of 1466 🔗

run them over, you’d be doing us all a favour

127586 Anonymous, 3, #914 of 1466 🔗

There is one of two things coming, starvation – another holodomor situation or a war with China.

127595 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #915 of 1466 🔗
127625 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, #916 of 1466 🔗

V. interesting.

127733 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to swedenborg, 2, #917 of 1466 🔗

Feb-Sept, no deaths in school age children. CFR under 60’s since May 0.036%.
That says it all.

127598 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 9, #918 of 1466 🔗

Is this correct? Is this allowed? Matt Hancock has more than 75% of shares in a company that develops vaccines and the company has a contract with the Government

Secretary of State for Health and Social Care

Current role holder The Rt Hon Matt Hancock MP Matt Hancock was appointed Secretary of State for Health and Social Care on 9 July 2018.
https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers/secretary-of-state-for-health-and-social-care

PORTON BIOPHARMA LIMITED
Company number 09331560
1 active person with significant control / 0 active statements

Secretary Of State For Health

Correspondence address
Richmond House, 79 Whitehall, London, United Kingdom, SW1A 2NS
Notified on
6 April 2016
Governing law
United Kingdom Law
Legal form
Cabinet Minister
Nature of control
Ownership of shares – 75% or more

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09331560/persons-with-significant-control

Porton Biopharma Limited (PBL) is a limited liability company. It develops new vaccines, therapeutic proteins and enzyme products. It also manufactures its own licensed biopharmaceutical products to treat acute lymphoblastic leukaemia and the UK’s anthrax vaccine.
PBL works with the Department of Health and Social Care .

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/porton-biopharma-limited

127607 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Victoria, 8, #919 of 1466 🔗

https://www.portonbiopharma.com/about-us/
You cannot be serious, you’ve never heard of Porton Down? The common cold research centre? Anthrax? And the rest?

127616 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Bruno, 5, #920 of 1466 🔗

Dr David Kelly? ‘A former head of the Defence Microbiology Division working at Porton Down, Kelly was part of a joint US-UK team that inspected civilian biotechnology facilities in Russia in the early 1990s and concluded that were running a covert and illegal Biological Weapons programme.’ Allegedly committed suicide, see Wiki.

127641 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Bruno, 4, #921 of 1466 🔗

The ambulance crew who attended called a press conference to say it was strange.. there was not enough blood consistent to slashed wrists. Odd way to top yourself. That was back in the days when NHS staff had courage.

Was it the ambulance crew, police or the person who discovered Dr Kelly who said the body had been found slumped against a tree but minutes later it was lying flat on the ground?

127653 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Basics, 1, #922 of 1466 🔗

Before novichok, obviously.

127668 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Bruno, 3, #923 of 1466 🔗

Indeed. Possible to imagine novichock was required to be invented after the analysis of Dr Kelly.

127675 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Bruno, 2, #924 of 1466 🔗

Yes. Another magical chemical which changed its’ biowarfare characteristics to match the requirements of the liars involved.

128027 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Bruno, #925 of 1466 🔗

Novichok seems to be the most useless nerve agent ever invented as it seems to have failed to kill everyone it was supposed to, only managing to kill 1 person who discovered it in a fully-sealed bottle of perfume. Why those fiendishly clever Russians insist on using it all the time I can’t imagine…

127672 ▶▶▶▶ RichardJames, replying to Bruno, 10, #926 of 1466 🔗

Only committed suicide if you also believe that he couldn’t be bothered to sharpen his penknife before specifically going out to supposedly kill himself in the most inefficient way possible, and being a chemistry and biowarfare expert, couldn’t think of a way to kill himself more neatly or painlessly using a one of the thousand chemicals available to him.

Yeah, right…

127801 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Bruno, 1, #927 of 1466 🔗

People sometimes wonder on here where we should all go to start a new country with a constitution based on logic, reason and liberty. How about Gruinard?

127923 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to guy153, #928 of 1466 🔗

Funny you should mention that. It was reputedly a haunt of thieves and rebels, back in the day. Are you by any chance a connoisseur of small islands for sale? ( I don’t think this one is any more.)

128049 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Bruno, 1, #929 of 1466 🔗

Islands are not something I shop for often but I think in this case the idea would just be to assume ownership and hope that people are too scared of the anthrax, let alone the liberal mask policy, to come anywhere near.

128225 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to guy153, 1, #930 of 1466 🔗

Actually I’d still be scared of the anthrax. I was having an old house renovated once, went to see how builders were getting on, to be greeted at door by one in full hazmat gear, frantic I came no closer. On enquiry turned out the old plaster they were removing contained horsehair, hence the get up.

127612 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Victoria, 2, #931 of 1466 🔗

What is the contract for and could we have sight of it with FOI request?

127615 ▶▶ dpj, replying to Victoria, 2, #932 of 1466 🔗

This appears online every so often. It is the government that actually owns 75% of shares so whoever is doing Matt Hancock’s job effectively has them.

128087 ▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to dpj, 1, #933 of 1466 🔗

The Cabinet Office also part owns the Behavioural Insights Team – you know, the brainwashers.

127618 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Victoria, 2, #934 of 1466 🔗

Is that Allowed? Surely it’s a conflict of interest.

127676 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #935 of 1466 🔗

Not really. The government just became a huge shareholder in a space communications company. They basically take the risk on for building the company then sell it for profit. That’s the idea.

Conflict of interest? I’d say that’s assured.

127934 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #936 of 1466 🔗

I rather doubt govt will be selling Bio Pharma off any time soon. For all sorts of reasons.

127638 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Victoria, 3, #937 of 1466 🔗

I should think that OffGuardian might take a look at this;or, Spiked.

127600 hotrod, replying to hotrod, 8, #938 of 1466 🔗

Breaking.

“Positive tests fall”

“Number of dead also fall, once again”

I would presume Laura and co will spin this as government policy already working.

The thick electorate will gobble that up.

127629 ▶▶ DRW, replying to hotrod, 9, #939 of 1466 🔗

So any increases are of scary “cases” but any decreases are just “positive tests”.
Classic BBC fair and balanced reporting.

127723 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to hotrod, 2, #940 of 1466 🔗

Like I said the other day, even just talking about implementing the Rule of Six has worked, so we’d better go ahead and implement it right away.

127725 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to hotrod, 5, #941 of 1466 🔗

Postive tests up again https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-another-3-497-cases-confirmed-in-past-24-hours-12070043
Scary stuff 365000 have now had it out of a population of 66m.
Even more suprising is the rise in daily infections despite the muzzles. How can this be?

127608 2 pence, 1, #942 of 1466 🔗

Crisis24 helps you track how the pandemic impacts international security. Our global alerts cover new lockdown measures, quarantine protocols, and regional outbreaks.

https://www.garda.com/crisis24/coronavirus-updates?referer=map?referer=map

127611 Hammer Onats, replying to Hammer Onats, 9, #943 of 1466 🔗

Johnny Mercer MP, Minister of the Crown’s reply to Delingpole on Twitter: comment image
Johnny Mercer

@JohnnyMercerUK
· 4h
Without people like you.

Stop being a selfish c**t, and put on a mask. twitter.com/jamesdelingpol…

why not do as I have done and write to the chief whip. mark.spencer.mp@parliament.uk

127633 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Hammer Onats, 5, #944 of 1466 🔗

He’s the one who admitted he’d taken no previous interest in politics until he voted for himself.
In an interview with The House magazine in October 2018, Mercer suggested that his values no longer aligned with the current Conservative party leadership and said there would be “absolutely no chance” that he would stand as a candidate of the party at this time.
He did, of course.

127649 ▶▶ Hampshire Sceptic, replying to Hammer Onats, 16, #945 of 1466 🔗

Mercer is not really a Conservative at all. Much more of a Blairite. He was one of those who, last year, quite unjustifiably, attacked the great late Roger Scruton.

Mercer is distinguishable only for his complete lack of principle. A right little shit.

127692 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Hammer Onats, 6, #946 of 1466 🔗

There are whole countries where mask wearing is not mandated. What does this guy think of their citizens?

Or does he believe selfishness only exists where there is compulsion.

127697 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Hammer Onats, 12, #947 of 1466 🔗

Six months of our life down the swanny and this cunt Johnny Mercer says this. He only said that to Delingpole because he looks like he was conceived with weak sperm, he should pop round mine and we could discus how i feel about having my life stolen by these vile bastards

127620 stefarm, 2, #948 of 1466 🔗

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/racing/2020/09/11/tom-marquand-picks-st-leger-ride-irish-jockey-tests-positive/

Marquand will ride the 6-1 shot Galileo Chrome after the colt’s regular rider Shane Crosse tested positive before flying over from Ireland

Marquand has just won the St Ledger. A fine result after he was replaced by Frankie Dettori on the Derby favourite English King.

Stitch up job IMO as Shane Crosse has lost his income for 14 days.

Masks seem to be working then!

127626 Will, replying to Will, 4, #949 of 1466 🔗

Janet Daley absolutely spot on in the Telegraph as always. She is incredible value at £1.99 a week by herself.

127628 ▶▶ hotrod, replying to Will, 2, #950 of 1466 🔗

What does she say?

127673 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Will, 1, #951 of 1466 🔗

She is always superb, if she published her shopping list I would read it.

127627 hotrod, replying to hotrod, 12, #952 of 1466 🔗

Mission:

Get Ivor Cummings video to be shown and discussed on MSM.

What’s the plan?

This seems the moment, growing numbers have seen and shared and people are asking WTAF.

How do we go about this?

JHB and Alistair Stewart seem possibles.

What else?

I would like to think Toby has a plan up his sleeve as this week could be pivotal.

Either Ivor is right or Whitty and co can provide compelling reasons why he is not.

Game on.

But let’s get organised.

We need an agreed approach.

127635 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to hotrod, 4, #953 of 1466 🔗

Perhaps Andrew Neil’s new Spectator TV show?

127640 ▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #954 of 1466 🔗

Anyone have an email address?

127669 ▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to hotrod, 1, #955 of 1466 🔗
127636 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 7, #956 of 1466 🔗

Do we still need to look back 3 weeks to see what’s behind the current increases ? If we do then I am sure we can all start to blame children’s indoor play centres, bowling Alleys and eyebrow plucking for today’s Earth shattering risks. 99% of everyone tested does not have Covid 19. Panic.

127655 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Leemc23, 4, #957 of 1466 🔗

Yes because they can’t just say we’re doing more testing, they need to sell panic to keep the public afraid and obedient.

127751 ▶▶ Arnie, replying to Leemc23, 3, #958 of 1466 🔗

A devastating disease that we have to be tested for to see if we’ve got it.

127646 JME, replying to JME, 1, #959 of 1466 🔗

Send it to our MPs?

127656 ▶▶ hotrod, replying to JME, #960 of 1466 🔗

Yes

127695 ▶▶ Phoneutria, replying to JME, 2, #961 of 1466 🔗

I wrote to mine today instructing him not to vote in favour of the extension to the Covid bill which grants emergency powers. He’s Conservative, so be interesting to see which way he jumps. Suggest everyone do the same as they do take note of opinion. Sometimes.

127706 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Phoneutria, 3, #962 of 1466 🔗

Well done and that’s necessary. As is finding a way to curtail their use of the PHE act.

127737 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Phoneutria, 2, #963 of 1466 🔗

I made that request of my MP in last weeks epic email (for which I have no reply as yet)

127784 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Phoneutria, 1, #964 of 1466 🔗

I wrote to my MP (Lab) about that today. Linked to the Liberty campaign (below) since I thought that might have more pull for a Labour MP.
https://liberty.e-activist.com/page/63681/petition/1

127652 hotrod, replying to hotrod, 1, #965 of 1466 🔗

Has this been widely shared before?

Perhaps a call to Channel 4 could be in order….

youtu.be/iV1IZVT_LCE

127663 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to hotrod, 1, #966 of 1466 🔗

They have had Sunetra Gupta on recently so Carl Henegan/Ivor Cummins/etc. wouldn’t be out of the question.

127658 JohnF, 8, #967 of 1466 🔗

New party name: Life .
That’s what is being taken away after all.

127661 hotrod, replying to hotrod, 12, #968 of 1466 🔗

Quick point of balance that occurred to me earlier.

IF the government were part of some global conspiracy then surely testing would have been ramped up months ago and capacity remained high.

The fact that many can’t even get tests (apparently) is curious.

Those people will in theory just go untested and develop their own immunity, if they even had it in the first place.

I still favour the complete incompetence and arse covering angle.

127685 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to hotrod, 3, #969 of 1466 🔗

If they are that incompetent then they should all resign. As you like to say, they are not fit for purpose.

127696 ▶▶ T. Prince, replying to hotrod, 8, #970 of 1466 🔗

Feels like to me that they keep kicking the can down the road to keep ‘it’ going for as long as possible. It’s the ‘why’ that gives me the migraines….when I look at Victoria in Australia and see what Chairman Dan is doing (and how people think he’s doing a great job), that’s when I have to go for a lie down

127936 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to T. Prince, 1, #971 of 1466 🔗

But DO people think he’s doing a great job? I trust nothing I hear right now.

127704 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to hotrod, 6, #972 of 1466 🔗

It is all to do with rolling out the vaccination. Unfortunately for them 2 things happened: 1. virus in retreat (not enough people getting die) 2. the vaccination trial hit a snag where one of the participants suffered a sever side effect

127747 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Victoria, 2, #973 of 1466 🔗

Yes fundamental snags. 2 oxford participants have paused the trial first one was a silent case of MS being found in a participant, simply found by the trial not to be related to the trial so ‘play’ button pressed until the latest swollen spinal column paused the trial again.

Yes, I am keeping count.

127754 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Basics, #974 of 1466 🔗

They could still rustle up another vax though.

127783 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Victoria, 1, #975 of 1466 🔗

Certainly seems to me that they have bet the farm on a vaccine and don’t have any plan B / are not interested in even considering another possibility. Why they are so blind to what is obvious to us is a more difficult question.

127791 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to hotrod, 3, #976 of 1466 🔗

I always believed cock-up over conspiracy too. Then one day my brother said, apropos 9/11, what about the third tower? Up until that point I thought that anyone who thought 9/11 was an inside job was insane. Building 7 was part of the WTC complex. On the afternoon of 9/11 it collapsed (captured on video – see the web) into its own footprint. It had not – obviously – been struck by an aircraft, and there were a number of small fires in various parts of this 47 storey building which were not enough to cause it to fall down. Later I happened to meet a former SAS explosives expert who was in no doubt that it was a controlled explosion. (He was also pretty sure the Pentagon had been hit by a bunker bomb). Eventually NIST were forced to admit that the building was in free-fall for one and three quarter seconds (free-fall being a key indicator of a controlled explosion). This completely changed my world view. I don’t want to start a new thread on the subject of 9/11 – just to say that there are some very bad people in this world, and we should always keep an open mind. It’s the mission creep that bothers me about the present situation. First it was save the NHS, then flatten the curve – and now it’s beat the virus. You can’t “beat” a virus, so what’s it all about?

127942 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to charleyfarley, #977 of 1466 🔗

Building 7 was struck by parts of the collapsing towers though. These “theories” have all been comprehensively dismantled by Popular Mechanics many times in the past. Of course, because they’re conspiracies, the theory magically “mutates” into some new bullshit. Covid will be no different.

128015 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to hotrod, 3, #978 of 1466 🔗

That just implies that it wasn’t a conspiracy from the very beginning. My own view is that Covid is real but has been exaggerated beyond belief and seized upon by the elite as a golden opportunity to completely remake society for their own ends. The problem with the cock-up/arse covering theory is that it requires so many countries to mess up in more or less identical ways. There’s also the unprecedented censorship and crackdown on any dissent.

127670 Ozzie, replying to Ozzie, 23, #979 of 1466 🔗

I received an invitation to take part in the “largest COVID-19 testing research study in England” (Imperial College). I am sure others have commented on this.

The notes on the back show that “a positive result will be passed to NHS Test and Trace”. Therefore, the implications for me getting a positive on this test (which may of course be a false positive),as a teacher, is that up to 300 school students (one third of the school) plus a number of teachers would have to isolate for a two weeks.

Needless to say this letter will be consigned to somewhere appropriate.

127682 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ozzie, 3, #980 of 1466 🔗

Cat litter box?

127683 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Ozzie, 2, #981 of 1466 🔗

Cage lining for the Budgie.

127686 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Ozzie, 5, #982 of 1466 🔗

they are now targeting the children for this so-called study. Received one of those letters for the under 10 this week. Bin obviously

127690 ▶▶ Will, replying to Ozzie, 9, #983 of 1466 🔗

And why anyone would do anything to help Imperial is beyond comprehension.

127693 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Ozzie, 3, #984 of 1466 🔗

Don’t block the drains!

127749 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Ozzie, 1, #985 of 1466 🔗

Mail outs cost, who paid for it? Postage soon racks up.

127948 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Basics, 1, #986 of 1466 🔗

Actually there is something weird about this. Was it Mr Dee who said his 9 year old had one recently? What on earth are they doing mailing tests to children who cannot consent to this and how do they get hold of names and addresses? Although I think my invite said it came via GP. What are GPs doing encouraging mail outs to minors, are they empowered to do so ?

128107 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Bruno, #987 of 1466 🔗

No not me. Must’ve been someone else.

127681 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 18, #988 of 1466 🔗

All these government initiatives are Authoritarian, Fascistic and bordering on Totalitarianism. Those people need to know that they are not Democratic in the least.
Instead for the NHS we should start throwing open our windows and shout Sieg Heil!

127837 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to richard riewer, 7, #989 of 1466 🔗

Unfortunately, many of us have found out the system is a complete sham over the past few months. Whats the point in having Democracy if the politicians universally agree (apart from how draconian to make the rules – Labour want the full Melbourne!).

127684 Kristian Short, 1, #990 of 1466 🔗

The Party of Choice

127688 Biker, replying to Biker, 5, #991 of 1466 🔗

I’m having fish fingers for my tea do you think i used use some hand sanitiser on them just to be safe?

127708 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Biker, 2, #992 of 1466 🔗

I hope you are indoors wearing goggles and gloves while eating -get one step ahead of Wee Jimmie

127736 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Biker, 1, #993 of 1466 🔗

I hope you deep-fried them in the stuff. One can never be too careful.

127738 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to guy153, 1, #994 of 1466 🔗

I thought about it but decided to use it as a dip instead

127954 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to guy153, 1, #995 of 1466 🔗

Umm, you’d have a job in 60% alcohol. Maybe you don’t cook much. Mind you, I expect the chippies now say ‘ salt and sanitizer with that, sir?’

127932 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Biker, #996 of 1466 🔗

Only if it’s brewed made by Tennants.

127701 Hammer Onats, replying to Hammer Onats, 12, #997 of 1466 🔗

No wonder people call the police Filth. A teenager has been fined £10,000 after hosting a 50-guest house party in contravention of coronavirus rules.

Nottinghamshire Police handed out the fixed penalty notice to the man, 19, on Friday night in Harlaxton Drive, Lenton.

Of course, it’s a mere gesture as a 19 year old teenager will have no income to pay it.

127703 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Hammer Onats, 20, #998 of 1466 🔗

Will have no income to pay it, but a lifetime of shit credit to deal with…nice. Whichever copper issued that is a monster. Wrecked the guys future, for what ?

127710 ▶▶▶ Hammer Onats, replying to Leemc23, 13, #999 of 1466 🔗

The Wiltshire Filth have done the same. The comments in the local rag are disgusting- almost all approving the fine. We really are turning into a fascist state.

127718 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Hammer Onats, 22, #1000 of 1466 🔗

FPN were never designed for this. In March the highest possible fine was £500. Now it’s 20 times higher. With no debate, no consultation or agreement.

It’s a disgusting example of everything that has gone wrong.

127877 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Leemc23, 7, #1001 of 1466 🔗

When the whole bollox is pronounced unlawful, such victims will have to be compensated.

127929 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, 3, #1002 of 1466 🔗

I’m looking forward to that day. It will warm the cockles of my heart.

127967 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to annie, 1, #1003 of 1466 🔗

What if it isn’t though?

127927 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Leemc23, 2, #1004 of 1466 🔗

As Sumption pointed out in his interview.

127767 ▶▶▶▶ Judith Day, replying to Hammer Onats, 2, #1005 of 1466 🔗

Devizes?

127830 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Hammer Onats, 9, #1006 of 1466 🔗

I suspect we are now at the point of being a fascist state if you read the comments on facebook and newspaper sites. But I strongly suspect many are fake profiles created to give the impression of universal support to encourage compliance. If it wasn’t for mainstream and social media, I have a feeling the disease would have past by largely unnoticed like the Hong Kong Flu in the 60s.

127884 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Darryl, 8, #1007 of 1466 🔗

Of course it would. The Internet has made the crisis. Entirely. Without it, the wicked tyrants of today’s world would be unable to impose their will on us as they are doing.
But – big but – we wouldn’t be able to get together to resist them as we are doing, either. Imagine facing this s…t all alone…
And if course there are plenty of zombies in the real world, but not nearly as many as the MSM would have us believe.

127925 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, 2, #1008 of 1466 🔗

More and more flocking to our side all the time.

127715 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Hammer Onats, 7, #1009 of 1466 🔗

Up to 30 people until Monday, is it not? Unless they did an exact headcount, how can they say 50 were there?

128003 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Hammer Onats, 1, #1010 of 1466 🔗

Daily Mail: Student, 19, who threw house party for 50 people that saw him fined £10,000 APOLOGISES.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8725895/Reckless-teenager-19-fined-10-000-hosting-house-party-50-guests.html

128167 ▶▶▶ kelly81, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1011 of 1466 🔗

He should do all he can to evade paying. Under legitimate law (Sweden’s) 50 people is exactly the number you can have, and soon rising to 500 (pity the noise that the neighbours might suffer for that one).

127735 ▶▶ hotrod, replying to p02099003, 6, #1013 of 1466 🔗

But this actually does help build the herd immunity

Period up to half term will be like this and will improve once all kids have been properly exposed.

Had school returned in June then this would have been avoided.

We lost that opportunity.

127759 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to hotrod, #1014 of 1466 🔗

But they’re taking kids out of school based on results of a PCR test.

128065 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to p02099003, #1015 of 1466 🔗

Lots of kids in Sweden with the usual cold/virus symptoms in the last couple of weeks, but they’re all testing negative for covid 19 here!

127777 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to hotrod, 4, #1016 of 1466 🔗

Agreed. If school would have resumed in May and kids allowed to go to camp this summer, there would be no issues. Most countries wasted the summer by trying to suppress instead of letting the kids get it and have it move through without all the added burden of winter flu and other respiratory illnesses.

127762 ▶▶ Judith Day, replying to p02099003, 14, #1017 of 1466 🔗

Really p.ssed off with the stupid ‘self-isolating’ phrase; and other made up jargon for this pandemic.
I don’t say I am self walking, or self showering or self sleeping!

I am not using any of it.

127719 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 17, #1018 of 1466 🔗

Medical Centre
Please arrive wearing a face covering at a safe distance from the surgery. We will call you at your appointment time and meet you outside. Do not enter the building on your own.

127728 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Steeve, 13, #1019 of 1466 🔗

pathetic isint it

127732 ▶▶▶ Steeve, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #1020 of 1466 🔗

To be honest it is that stupid you have to laugh!

127780 ▶▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Steeve, 3, #1021 of 1466 🔗

Flu jab, you stick your arm through a hole in the wall.

127851 ▶▶▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1022 of 1466 🔗

Is that a glory hole?

127753 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Steeve, 10, #1023 of 1466 🔗

Some GP got haughty yesterday when I pointed out GPs are a failure of a profession.

127773 ▶▶▶ Peter Thompson, replying to Basics, 3, #1024 of 1466 🔗

That would be me . i just pointed out that I have worked throughout . I am sorry you hate doctors. This is a lockdown sceptic website . Maybe you could do your own I hate doctors website.

127775 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Peter Thompson, 7, #1025 of 1466 🔗

You’re one of the good guys. I do understand people’s anger and frustration, but on this forum we should recognize those who are fighting the good fight.

127907 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 3, #1026 of 1466 🔗

I agree Lisa. And he knows I pointed out with sincerity that he’d had done a fine job as he had listed his work day.

The British medical profession have been complicit in this fraud. Silence is to tacitly agree. It’s equally right to recognise that on this thread in my opinion.

127902 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Peter Thompson, 6, #1027 of 1466 🔗

I congratulated you on a fine 12 hour shift. Your profession is fucking our conutry. Sorry if you don’t like that, they are your colleagues – I just pay your wage. Perhaps you could get stuck in and voice your skeptic opinion in a manner that gets in heard.

Do you not feel ashamed of how GPs have acted?

You put me to hating GPs. That is something I have not said. I understand it is a summary of your perception of my position, you suggest I might take my views elsewhere.

Pop a word into your professional bodies suggesting how unpleasing you find the reputation of doctors is becoming as this ‘pandemic’ progresses. That would be helpful, coming from a doctor.

127764 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Steeve, #1028 of 1466 🔗

I am 71, can I bring my granny?

127917 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1029 of 1466 🔗

Only if she is accompanied by both parents.

127724 Enjoyeverysandwich, replying to Enjoyeverysandwich, 24, #1030 of 1466 🔗

Hello all!.

Finally got around to registering. Will chip in now and again and hopefully bring some scraps of sanity to the table.

A brief resume would be since day 1 I’ve treat the whole dog and pony show as a surreal pantomime and find the only way to keep sane is to see each day as if I’m detached from the herd.

couple of weekends ago got across to the lakes for a 3 day high level exped and on the hill camps. Enjoyed the experience so much as the hills were teeming with normal peeps out and about happily greeting each other as one would normally expect.

only signs of a dystopian nightmare were back down in Keswick as the herd partook in their very own individual disaster movie.

So this week we have rocked up to a farm caravan and camping site for the week to enjoy a mix of mountain biking, bit of fell walking and hopefully If son remembers to turn up a day out on the crags down Borrowdale.

site so far appears like the good old days of ….well at least last year albeit I believe the site staff are barricaded in and all communication is vie tinter-web. It’s seems booked up fully and so far not a muzzle in site!

127772 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Enjoyeverysandwich, 3, #1031 of 1466 🔗

Welcome! I think the great outdoors is the only place to find a bit of sanity these days. I moved to our country home in early May and can hike my own property — even if the dictators mandate masks outdoors. Whether it’s outdoors or an evening with sceptic family or friends, we all need to find pockets of normalcy where we can in order to stay sane. Enjoy your camping trip!

127842 ▶▶▶ Enjoyeverysandwich, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 5, #1032 of 1466 🔗

Thanks for that. The day job within a large corporate involves close contact with the public within homes so it’s a bind having to comply with HR and HSE missives … I get that the required “compliance” is not supported by the correct science and data but it’s like swimming against the tide and I’ve suffered previously from sticking my head above the parapet only to be shot off.. As it it is roughly 70% by those i encounter are fully paid up covoids and any perceived non-compliance by myself would give an angle to complain about the service my company provides and it’s just not worth the shit show it would create. Thankfully I have a close knit group of friends and family that are on the same page as myself so I am in a pretty good place compared to some posters on here. Luckily the coastal town I live in (north east) hasn’t gone completely insane and there are opportunities to go to the beach, walking and biking trails on the doorstep and easy access to remote countryside.

as it it is we are just chilling out in the caravan now with a few cold ones watching the rain come down…still good weather forecast for the week and it wouldn’t be the Lake District without a bit of rain now and again!

127874 ▶▶ annie, replying to Enjoyeverysandwich, 5, #1033 of 1466 🔗

Welcome.
Indeed, the more one gets out into the country, the more sane one can feel, and the more sane the other folk one meets. It’s keeping me sane as well. Anything that’s natural – my dog, my horse, my garden, walking, cycling, whatever – is a link back to the real world.

127729 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #1034 of 1466 🔗

Dr. Bronner soap company pledged $1 million to Black Lives Matter that went on to perpetuate riots, murders, and destruction across America
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-09-11-dr-bronner-pledged-1-million-to-black-lives-matter-terrorists.html

Soap nuts works better – http://www.soapnuts.co.uk

127815 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Victoria, #1035 of 1466 🔗

Why the hell didn’t they just donate to the Democrat party directly? or an even better idea would be to give the money directly to poor communities.

127966 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Darryl, 1, #1036 of 1466 🔗

Probably because that wouldn’t be tax deductible.

127734 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 23, #1037 of 1466 🔗

An article that seems relevant on medium.com:

This Is How It Happens
A study of men in Hitler’s Germany shows how people allow tyranny to spread

Germans like those Mayer interviewed were kept in a state of constant change — a technique Hannah Arendt later described as the “perpetual-motion mania of totalitarian movements [that] remain in power only so long as they keep moving and set everything around them in motion.”

“…it tried at its technique cautiously — one dose at a time, with a short pause after administering it. One pill at a time, then a moment of waiting to see if it had been too strong, if the conscience of the world could swallow that particular pill.”

“What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise,” the philologist told Mayer. The Nazi dictatorship was “diverting,” he said, in that it kept people “so busy with continuous changes and ‘crises’ and so fascinated…by the machinations of the ‘national enemies’ without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us.”

…that broader pattern of constant societal change that totalitarianism imposed had a profound effect on individual agency. It resulted in a kind of personal inertia, even when one had an inkling of what was being set in motion. Things kept getting worse, but, the philologist explained, one struggled to react properly, or convince others that they should be worried, too. “In your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist,’” he explained. “And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it.”

“each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse,” the philologist explained. “You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow.” But that moment never came. “That’s the difficulty,” the philologist told Mayer. “If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes millions would have been sufficiently shocked… But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you to not be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.”

 The constant motion of totalitarianism Arendt would examine years later — the steady movement toward tyranny — is measured as drips, not as a flood.
“When men who understand what is happening — the motion, that is, of history, not the reports of single acts or developments — when such men do not object or protest, men who do not understand cannot be expected to,” the philologist told Mayer.

127741 ▶▶ Suitejb, replying to Barney McGrew, 15, #1038 of 1466 🔗

Interesting and frightening. And one can see how easily it could happen – masks are accepted, queuing outside shops is accepted, the ‘six’ rule isn’t so bad for many people so that’s more or less accepted. A curfew at 11 pm, then a curfew at 10.30, and so on.

127745 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Barney McGrew, 12, #1039 of 1466 🔗

It is both horrifying and fascinating to live through the transition into a totalitarian system. The difference with rich historical examples like the above is the sheer scale of the endeavour this time. Never before has such a system been imposed globally.

I cannot escape the thought that this is what we deserve. For too long, too many people have disavowed their responsibility as citizens to preserve social values. Time and time again over the last 75 years we have chosen the expedient path. The aggregate effect is that we end up where we are right now.

127769 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Richard O, 9, #1040 of 1466 🔗

I agree with you that the scale of this is unmatched, and the fact it’s happening globally (with a few exceptions) is the only thing that actually gives me a modicum of hope. Any one country can succumb to this kind of totalitarian creep, but will the entire West succumb unchallenged? People are definitely asleep and not paying attention to the extent we on this forum are, but with pictures of Swedes living life normally without any of this bullshit after the so-called “second wave,” might enough people question why the rest of us are still living the “new” normal? That’s me on a good day. Me on a bad day thinks you’re right and that we don’t deserve to come out of this and the majority will just accept this and be thankful for any morsel of normal that’s thrown to them. Unfortunately I have more bad days than good days…

127911 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 6, #1041 of 1466 🔗

The Germans are kicking off big time. Three million attended the last protest, so numbers are swelling there. Only a matter of time before it kicks off everywhere.

128249 ▶▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Nick Rose, #1042 of 1466 🔗

We can only hope.

127768 ▶▶ Will, replying to arfurmo, 8, #1044 of 1466 🔗

So what they are actually claiming is that covid is more likely to be spread if you wear a mask… exactly as we have been saying all along.

127771 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to arfurmo, #1045 of 1466 🔗

Here’s an extract. Make of it what you will:

While this hypothesis [that face nappies are bloody great and that we should all wear them all of the time] needs to be backed up with more clinical study, experiments in hamsters have hinted at a connection between dose and disease. Earlier this year, a team of researchers in China found that hamsters housed behind a barrier made of surgical masks were less likely to get infected by the coronavirus. And those who did contract the virus became less sick than other animals without masks to protect them.

Some observations found in humans seem to support this as well. In a coronavirus outbreak on a closed Argentinian cruise ship, for example, where passengers were provided with surgical masks and staff with N95 masks, the rate of asymptomatic infection was 81 per cent. This is compared with 20 per cent in earlier cruise ship outbreaks without universal masking.

127776 ▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Tenchy, 3, #1046 of 1466 🔗

That ship anecdote is exactly that, an anecdote.

A mask might be just as likely to concentrate virus in your lungs where you least want it. There is no good evidence for either hypothesis.

127782 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to guy153, 1, #1047 of 1466 🔗

Based on the information provided in the article, it is also total bollocks. 81% v. 20% for “asymptomatic infection”. So what was it for symptomatic infection? And what was the breakdown per type of mask?

127799 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to guy153, #1048 of 1466 🔗

Also, what is your view on this remark from the article, particularly the Lancet study:

It comes as increasing evidence suggests that the amount of virus someone is exposed to at the start of infection – the “infectious dose” – may determine the severity of their illness. Indeed, a large study published in the Lancet last month found that “viral load at diagnosis” was an “independent predictor of mortality” in hospital patients.

128043 ▶▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1049 of 1466 🔗

I haven’t seen that study but it’s certainly plausible. This is why it might be better to catch the virus in a shop or on the tube rather than waiting until you get a large airborne dose from sitting in an enclosed space for hours with infected people.

127906 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1050 of 1466 🔗

Strange that, because out of 3,711 souls aboard “Diamond Princess” in February, there were 712 cases, which is 19.2% of all aboard. Which means that 80.8%, who must have been exposed, were either asymptomatic or totally immune. I bet if everybody aboard was tested, everybody would have returned a positive.

127952 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to arfurmo, #1051 of 1466 🔗

Or people may already have some level of immunity and you’d see a similar effect if that was the case.

Experiments in hamsters surely can’t factor in any existing immunity.

127748 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1052 of 1466 🔗

https://youtu.be/MlBGUye0xao

This ^ is why we are in the mess we are in.

127785 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Leemc23, #1053 of 1466 🔗

Not bad, but she let him wriggle out of the stuff about Sweden (towards the end).

127797 ▶▶ Alison9, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1054 of 1466 🔗

There are some people – and we all know the type – that cannot see the wood for the trees.

127755 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 17, #1055 of 1466 🔗

Another stupid Hancock policy/comment occurred to me today.
My company provides staff for testing at Stanstead airport drive through. Apparently they turned away 400 people yesterday (friday), as they did not have any tests/capacity.
Why do all these people want a test??
Positive results are on average 1.5% of tests carried out. So they must be one of these people that Hancock urged not to get tested unless they show symptoms.

But …to get a procedure done in a NHS Hosptial, you have to have a negative test 72h before.
Care workers need weekly tests so they can work.
Footballers and all the staff (manager, physio, groundskeepers) need a test weekly.

Hancock says: Do not get a test unless you have symptoms, but his own department demands that people get tested all the time to prove they are negative.

HOW LUDICOROUS!!!!

127770 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Silke David, 6, #1056 of 1466 🔗

It is ludicrous – but mainly the whole business is a nonsensical contradiction when you put it in the context of Mr Toad’s test waffling. Cupid Stunts doesn’t really cover it.

127778 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Silke David, 1, #1057 of 1466 🔗

Scary, and the way they want it, tests so they can work. Its tragic, that our world has sunk so low

127758 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 1, #1058 of 1466 🔗

Eh according to:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk

We have done 19.3 million tests (?) and registered just shy of 370,000 cases. That is a vanishingly small case rate – I thought it should be 15 to 20% as per Diamond Princess?

So the question is how many are re-tests of the same people – what are the unique numbers

127774 ▶▶ guy153, replying to mhcp, 3, #1059 of 1466 🔗

It’s because we only started doing them some time after the peak of the epidemic. During the peak we were basically diagnosing severe cases in hospital with CT scans not going around swabbing everyone.

If we had set up tests in carparks in March we would have found positive percentages of 20% or more perhaps even 50% in urban areas. But we are fussing over 0.5% (which are mostly false).

Epidemics come and go very quickly. They don’t drag on for months and months like this in reality.

127796 ▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to guy153, 2, #1060 of 1466 🔗

That’s kind of what I was getting at. If we take the newer tranche is the case rate even less. Because apart from the false rate it’s just looking like we are pissing away money measuring the changes in the clouds

128032 ▶▶▶▶ guy153, replying to mhcp, #1061 of 1466 🔗

Pissing money away measuring changes in the clouds is exactly what we are doing.

127779 Steve Martindale, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1062 of 1466 🔗

After a few minutes I had to turn it over to music before I exploded but I did pick up some news this evening and there were reports of a worrying increase in hospital Covid 19 cases and in the number of Covid 19 hospital cases on ventilators. But I could not pick up any definitive data on this report. the last news item I could find on this was
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/coronavirus-latest-wake-up-call-covid-19-hospital-admissions-england-642484
I think it would need a statistics guru (Carl Heneghan?) to comment on this but at very low levels of anything I understand that it is hard to evaluate the significance of small number fluctuations and so I am not sure where we are on this?
Some of the national papers were questioning all these lockdown actions as Covid 19 hospital cases/deaths were so so low and so I just wonder about these latest reports. Can anyone here shed some light on this matter?

127787 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1063 of 1466 🔗

Quite possibly “Pandemic 2”. Gates predicted it. They need deaths to finish off the project.

127810 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Richard O, #1064 of 1466 🔗

Pandemic 2 is probably going to be the Spanish flu they have managed to recreate by using samples from frozen bodies. I really wish they would leave diseased bodies alone and the virus in the past. These things can always escape / leave labs once they are recreated. The death toll from Spanish flu would certainly ‘”make people take notice” as Bill Gates said in the interview.

127819 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Darryl, #1065 of 1466 🔗

I have been thinking a “new” strain of influenza as well. Johnson dropped the idea back in July when he was prepping the army for the winter of pain.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8550967/Boris-tells-army-prepare-quadruple-winter-whammy.html

Keep an eye out for strange behaviour from public figures over the next few months. Body doubles may be employed whilst the real pandemic rips through the population.

127910 ▶▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Darryl, #1066 of 1466 🔗

pLandemic

128247 ▶▶▶▶ mattghg, replying to Darryl, #1067 of 1466 🔗

Mate, the Spanish flu virus never total went away. We just have herd immunity to it.

127901 ▶▶▶ Dave #KBF, replying to Richard O, 1, #1068 of 1466 🔗

Gates did not predict it, he said it was going to happen and it would make everybody take notice this time.

128060 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Dave #KBF, #1069 of 1466 🔗

True – there’s video of him saying it..and laughing (grrrr)

127792 ▶▶ guy153, replying to Steve Martindale, #1070 of 1466 🔗

I think they have gone up a little bit. Some combination of noise, lockdown fatigue and autumn. But I will be very surprised if anything dramatic happens.

127794 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1071 of 1466 🔗

There has been a slight increase in recent days:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare

Nothing in any way dramatic, and the data is not available for that last two or three days.

127859 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1072 of 1466 🔗

Thank you good link, I think the media/Gov are grasping at straws to support their actions, I haven’t done a full stats analysis but these minor fluctuations do not seem to support the sensationalist news comments. It still looks to me like we are seeing the wriggling writhing tail end of this virus.

127788 TyLean, replying to TyLean, 4, #1073 of 1466 🔗

By the way…… bicycle lanes….. that’s in Agenda 21, too.

127812 ▶▶ Basics, replying to TyLean, 3, #1074 of 1466 🔗

Bicycle lanes is a misnomer. Arterial Choking is more correct.

127854 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to TyLean, 3, #1075 of 1466 🔗

Yes it’s strange how a lot of policy can be traced to Agenda 21/30 and I don’t remember any debate on this

127893 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #1076 of 1466 🔗

There was a debate in a park in edinburgh. 2000 people boo8ng and hissing at one viscious common purpose bint of a council employee. No result the roads remained closed and the council measures proceed.

128097 ▶▶▶▶ Arkansas, replying to Basics, #1077 of 1466 🔗
127790 smileymiley, replying to smileymiley, 5, #1078 of 1466 🔗

Just received this from my MP, after I emailed a revised post from TJN, what a load of bollox. The only part worth anything is about the CQC stopping DNR’s in care homes but way too late.
BiThank you for your emails. I do indeed feel very privileged to serve as a Member of Parliament and I am honoured to represent such a vibrant and diverse constituency as Loughborough.

I fully appreciate your concerns about parliamentary scrutiny. In emergency scenarios it is sometimes necessary to legislate at speed. Given the current situation, the Government believed that the measures contained within the Coronavirus Act were urgently required. It, therefore, included a sunset clause which meant that instead of scrutinising the legislation at length now, MPs were given a reassurance that the provisions contained with the Bill were time limited and that they would have the opportunity to review their use later.

With regard to civil liberties, I would like to reassure you that all the measures in the Act are temporary and proportionate to the threat we face. It is important that they will only be used when strictly necessary and will only be in place for as long as required to respond to the situation. The purpose of the legislation is to ensure that sufficient staff are available and deployed where they are most needed, as well as supporting members of the public, containing and slowing the virus, and managing the deceased with respect and dignity.

Unfortunately, it is clear that we are still in the middle of the Covid-19 pandemic, as last weekend, 3,000 new people tested positive for Covid-19 in a 24-hour period and the average rate of new infections is now four times higher than it was in mid-July. This prompted the Government to introduce new rules from 14 September, where there will be a legal limit on the number of people you don’t live with you are able to meet.

I note your views on the Government’s handling of the Covid-19 pandemic. However, I do not agree with you and I fully support the Government’s response to the public health crisis.

A tremendous amount of work has been going on behind the scenes, spearheaded by the Prime Minister, which has meant that we have been able to ensure the NHS has not been overwhelmed, the vulnerable have been protected, millions of employees have kept their jobs and businesses have received the support they have needed to survive this unprecedented time. I have attached a more detailed list of the Government’s achievements for interest.

I would also like to assure you that colleagues in all parties are working to ensure that the response of the Government to this virus is both appropriate and proportionate. As stated in its Action Plan, the Government’s preparations and response have been developed with expert advice using the best available evidence. This advice has come from a number of experts in a variety fields including:

the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies
the New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group
the Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens
the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Modelling
the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation t long so in 2 parts.

127805 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to smileymiley, 12, #1079 of 1466 🔗

With regard to civil liberties, I would like to reassure you that all the measures in the Act are temporary and proportionate to the threat we face. It is important that they will only be used when strictly necessary and will only be in place for as long as required to respond to the situation.

Translation:

With regard to civil liberties, I would like to reassure you that all the measures in the Act are permanent and disproportionate to the threat we invented. It is important that they will always be used even when not strictly necessary and will be in place for as long as we require to respond to the situation we created, which is to say forever.

127811 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to smileymiley, 1, #1080 of 1466 🔗

Trying to get the rest up but its proving a problem!

127822 ▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to smileymiley, #1081 of 1466 🔗

Sorted… 3 parts though

127832 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to smileymiley, 9, #1082 of 1466 🔗

Very useful information. The brainwashing is so deep that even MPs are spinning fantasies for themselves. This stupid cow probably has no idea that she is going to get thrown under the bus with the rest of us.

127838 ▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Richard O, 5, #1083 of 1466 🔗

Dunno about the rest of us, but as for her, the sooner the better.

127818 ▶▶ smileymiley, replying to smileymiley, 2, #1084 of 1466 🔗

I am pleased that the Government did indeed introduce measures to protect vulnerable people from contracting Covid-19 by implementing the lockdown in March and advising the clinically extremely vulnerable to shield.

Although I agree that, in due course, it will be appropriate to consider the way in which we have responded to this outbreak, right now the Government is focused on the immediate response and working to stop the further spread of the virus, and to save lives. The Prime Minister has said that there will be an independent inquiry at the appropriate time. The scope of the inquiry will be decided when the inquiry itself is launched.

With regard to my response to the pandemic, what I have said publicly is only the tip of the iceberg as most of the work my team and I do happens behind closed doors. During the lockdown period I have:

written to and spoken with Ministers many times about extending the financial support available to businesses, charities and individuals
spoken out about the need to ensure the Government’s recovery plan facilitates a V shaped economic recovery which is crucial for the survival of our businesses and jobs
pressed the Government to lift certain restrictions, such as on gyms and swimming, as well as beauticians and theatres
created a plan with Loughborough University and the Universities Minister to safely get students back to university; liaised with schools to ensure they have the information needed to re-open safely
liaised with local health and social care providers to help them secure PPE where needed and had numerous telephone calls with Ministers to highlight the urgent need to increase PPE supplies
helped local residents access medical appointments, tests, housing and welfare, and raised issues with Ministers where necessary

This list is by no means exhaustive, but it does provide a good snapshot of our activities over the last few months.

127820 ▶▶▶ smileymiley, replying to smileymiley, 2, #1085 of 1466 🔗

With regard to Piers Corbyn, I understand that he was arrested in Trafalgar Square on Saturday on suspicion of breaking the new Health Protection Regulations 2020 which make it a criminal offence to attend a gathering of more than 30 people. Mr Corbyn was informed on Sunday that he would be issued with a fixed penalty notice for £10,000 for the offence.

While I am proud of this country’s long-standing tradition that people can gather together and demonstrate, in our collective fight against Covid-19, the Government has advised people against attending protests of any nature, in support of any cause.

With regard to the other incident you refer to, I understand that police were called to a report of a male passenger, not wearing a mask, coughing at other passengers on a Merseyrail service to Liverpool Lime Street station. The man was subsequently charged with threatening behaviour and assaulting a police officer which is completely unacceptable.

I also understand your concerns about routine NHS treatment. I know that, while it has been important to postpone some NHS activities to protect individuals and enable resources to be used as efficiently as possible, my colleagues in the Department of Health and Social Care, as well as NHS Staff, have been working to restart elective procedures as soon as it is safe to do so.

I was delighted when the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care announced on 27 April that, from the following day, NHS services could begin restarting, including the most urgent, like cancer care and mental health support. The exact pace of this restoration is determined by local circumstances, according to local need and demand, and according to the number of coronavirus cases being dealt with by each hospital.

While the closure of schools was essential, it has indeed had a significant impact not just on children’s education but also their wellbeing. I was delighted that, due to the progress we have made in reducing the transmission of Covid-19, schools were able to fully reopen to all pupils last week.

I am pleased that to help pupils catch up on their return in September, a £1 billion COVD-19 “catch-up” package will be in place to directly tackle the impact of lost teaching time. £650 million will be shared across state primary and secondary schools over the 2020/21 academic year and a £350 million National Tutoring Fund will support those who need it most.

Finally, it is completely unacceptable for advanced care plans to be applied as a blanket to a group of people, including Do Not Resuscitate orders (DNRs) which is why I am pleased the Care Quality Commission has issued guidance making that clear. I understand that they urgently contacted providers where this practice has been brought to their attention, and I would urge you to get in touch with them directly if you have come across this practice yourself. Everyone nearing the end of their life should be offered the opportunity, and be supported, to develop advance care planning that make their own wishes clear.

Best wishes,

Jane

127939 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to smileymiley, 3, #1086 of 1466 🔗

IMPORTANT! She says in the above part that the ‘closure of schools was essential’ – but when Simon Dolan went to court (and lost), the government’s argument was that the schools had *not* been closed – this MP has just revealed the truth, and has done so in writing…

Suggest you send a copy of this letter to Simon as it may help in his appeal!

127959 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to smileymiley, 1, #1087 of 1466 🔗

Your MP is also my MP. A DNACPR is not an advanced directive.

The former, which means that in the event of a cardiac arrest then CPR and life support will not be started, can be put into place by a middle grade physician or under certain circumstances by an experienced band 7 registered nurse. This may be open ended if the authorising person is of the clinical opinion that the person’s condition is not going to change or is going to deteriorate, otherwise there is facility to provide a review date, when the DNACPR can be rescinded or extended. This is ideally following discussions with the patient and/or their family. In the case of a patient in hospital this can be done autonomously by the physician. A GP can authorise a DNACPR in the community but this has to be communicated to the ambulance service.
What a DNACPR does not mean is that treatment, fluids or nutrition will be withheld. If a person with a DNACPR in place develops an infection they MUST be treated.
The latter has to be arranged between a person and their GP and covers what treatment can or cannot be administered for different conditions, this is dependent on the person having capacity. If the person does not have capacity then an advanced directive cannot be put into place. If a person has capacity then they can arrange for someone to be their proxy to look after their healthcare in the event of them losing capacity.
A care home cannot legally put DNACPR unilaterally on all residents without the involvement of the GP.
A DNACPR in hospital only applies in that trust.

127865 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to smileymiley, #1088 of 1466 🔗

I am pleased that the Government did indeed introduce measures to protect vulnerable people from contracting Covid-19 by implementing the lockdown in March and advising the clinically extremely vulnerable to shield.

The second part good (provided those people wanted). Rest of it wrong.

127881 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1089 of 1466 🔗

Protect vulnerable people? Is she serious?

127831 ▶▶ RickH, replying to smileymiley, 6, #1090 of 1466 🔗

Unfortunately, it is clear that we are still in the middle of the Covid-19 pandemic”

Like f. we are.

Note the cosy relationship between government and ‘advisory’ groups. The last thing that is needed.

127997 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to RickH, #1091 of 1466 🔗

She says she ‘and her colleagues in DHSC’. If she thinks we are still in the middle of a pandemic due to 3000 new people testing positive and the rate of ‘infections’, a.k.a. positive swabs, being 4 times what they were in July, in other words Hurrah the youth are passing it round to save the rest of us having to have a vaccination, she is too stupid for the position she holds. Please tell her so, smileymiley, with knobs on.

128246 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to smileymiley, #1092 of 1466 🔗

What insulting copypasta bullshit.

128257 ▶▶ TJN, replying to smileymiley, #1093 of 1466 🔗

Hi Smiley,

Well at least you’ve got a response from your MP. (Cox hasn’t yet written to me.)

But what a load of flaccid garbage it is. Easy to pull apart line by line.

But at least she’s said she supports the government line – you can throw that back at her as the consequences become real.

The most scary thing is though, the majority of our MPs seem incapable of even he most basic levels of independent thought.

I expect more from Cox, to be fair, as he clearly isn’t a stupid man. He’s keeping his head very low though, which in times like this is simply not good enough.

127795 hotrod, 4, #1094 of 1466 🔗
127802 Basics, replying to Basics, 11, #1095 of 1466 🔗

Bham City Council
@BhamCityCouncil
We’ll now be knocking on doors in different areas of #Birmingham to offer free coronavirus tests.
Volunteers drop off a test, tell you everything you need to know and come back within the hour. If offered a test, please take it and help stop the spread: http://orlo.uk/wG6nB

https://twitter.com/BhamCityCouncil/status/1304032120092975105?s=20

One action all can take is writing to your local council to remove their right of implied access to your door. This comes from common law campaigning. It’s effect I do not know but it surely registered the fact you consider any interference as harassment and a breach of your right to live in peace.

127828 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Basics, 7, #1096 of 1466 🔗

What an insanely stupid idea – that testing ‘stops spread’.

I confess that in the early stages, I subscribed to the idea of strategic testing. But now we know what we do, and the virus is essentially gone,widespread testing is a nonsense.

127878 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to RickH, 3, #1097 of 1466 🔗

I’m reminded of Hitchens writing about testing – the virus that is frightened of being tested for

You may want to test in order to plan better your healthcare, but really testing is useless – it is just another variety of thinking the virus can be “beaten” in some way.

127892 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to RickH, #1098 of 1466 🔗

Me too

127829 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Basics, 8, #1099 of 1466 🔗

Just don’t answer your door.

127846 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1100 of 1466 🔗

That’s fine too. But really, hiding behind the sofa with the goons at your door is not for some. A proactive eff you is sometimes useful, either way you end up on the bad citizen list.

127864 ▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1101 of 1466 🔗

And stick one of those “No Cold Callers” notices in the front window: “No COVID Testers”.

127866 ▶▶▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1102 of 1466 🔗

Strike that! Let them knock on the door and when you answer take the opportunity to give them a suitable ear bashing about the folly of their actions.

127861 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Basics, 3, #1103 of 1466 🔗

Knock-knock!

Who’s there?

Absolutely genuine Birmingham City covid tester and not mugger/burglar/rapist at all really. See, here’s a photo-id card you’ve never seen before saying “Totally not an opportunistic criminal”.

Oh come on in …

128163 ▶▶▶ kelly81, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #1104 of 1466 🔗

Today: Come in Mr Covid tester, I have 500 family members, I’ll need to have every kit you’re carrying. Come back tomorrow and I’ll give them t you to take to the lab.

Tomorrow: Sorry Mr Covid tester, I’ve never met you before. Just me and the husband, I couldn’t possibly have asked for 500 test kits. Golly, that was your council’s entire stock, you’ll have to kep asking around, I hope you find them.

That night, while you burn what remains of the 500 tests kits, you overhear the news: “Yourtown had planned to be under local lockdown tonight, and had increased testing capacity to find all the cases which would prompt them to be so. However no positive tests were found in Yourtown today. Yourtown remains unlocked”

127804 Harry hopkins, replying to Harry hopkins, #1105 of 1466 🔗

Rumour has it that dance halls will be opening again soon—strict masking in place of course!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEYz2CRu1RY

127827 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #1106 of 1466 🔗

Maskerades?

127897 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Harry hopkins, #1107 of 1466 🔗

Footloose

127808 2 pence, replying to 2 pence, 2, #1108 of 1466 🔗

I was chatting in the tea room with Matt Hancock on Monday and raised the issue of Prof Heneghan recent paper about test sensitivity Matt said they were looking into it !

https://twitter.com/RobertSyms/status/1304825347586830342

127844 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to 2 pence, 2, #1109 of 1466 🔗

Hope he spat in his tea!

127873 ▶▶ Julian, replying to 2 pence, 2, #1110 of 1466 🔗

I will believe it when I see it

A few backbench Tories are starting to push back, shame there are so many spineless MPs

128081 ▶▶▶ tonyspurs, replying to Julian, #1111 of 1466 🔗

Any half decent MP should be able to run rings around those two imbeciles Johnson and Hancock

127891 ▶▶ Jo, replying to 2 pence, 2, #1112 of 1466 🔗

Can you imagine holding a comparable job and not knowing about such basics? Oh please.

127814 NappyFace, replying to NappyFace, 29, #1113 of 1466 🔗

Professor Gupta is basically saying we need as many young and healthy to catch it before the winter, as this reduces the circulation in winter when immune systems already dealing with other bugs.

That is why according to her we came out of lockdown too late.

If that is correct, lockdowns aren’t only causing more people to die of starvation, cancer, heart disease, suicide and violence, but will also more people to die from Covid.

Is my understand correct do you think?

127821 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NappyFace, 6, #1114 of 1466 🔗

Yes

127825 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to NappyFace, 6, #1115 of 1466 🔗

100% correct, in every particular.

127835 ▶▶ wendy, replying to NappyFace, 8, #1116 of 1466 🔗

Yes, we need to mix to improve our immunity and that in turn protects the elderly and vulnerable as there is less viruses of all types around. I have heard her say she thinks international travel is protective as we mix and improve immunity. This is also in Ivor Cummins excellent video. Our government have made a big mistake keeping people apart, well trying to as clearly people haven’t kept apart which must be a good thing

127871 ▶▶ Julian, replying to NappyFace, 4, #1117 of 1466 🔗

Spot on.

Herd immunity is not just the only sustainable approach overall, taking into account overall public health and welfare, it’s the best approach to limiting any harm that covid does

127921 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Julian, 1, #1118 of 1466 🔗

Problem being that the early public messages stated ‘this is a virus that affects all people from all age groups’. They were broadcast non stop on TV and radio. I recall it well. Our government would have to show some humility and backtrack on that for this plan to work. It is much better that thousands more people die to keep up a pretence, no?

127918 ▶▶ Will, replying to NappyFace, 1, #1119 of 1466 🔗

It is and it is correct.

127933 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to NappyFace, 2, #1120 of 1466 🔗

Winter will be fine. We just all wear a mask and be utter C*nts to each other and everyone will live forever.

She seems sensible, but then is she pro lockdown and it was just too late to get out of it ?

127824 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 10, #1121 of 1466 🔗

Listening to Hancock spluttering on, on Talk Radio, Julia Hartley-Brewer, makes you feel despair, he cant seem to get the simple facts, they are obviously on his work sheet from his masters. Like my MP who thinks that infections are going up, forget about more testing being done, so we should batten down the hatches. The Blairites are such losers

127848 ▶▶ John P, replying to Dan Clarke, #1122 of 1466 🔗

His masters?

127855 ▶▶▶ Toby Pierides, replying to John P, 4, #1123 of 1466 🔗

Yes. You know the ones. The people that have ensured a uniform response around the world no matter how the virus is performing. Continuing the fear and doom mongering in what seems a coordinated manner…

128057 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to John P, 1, #1124 of 1466 🔗

Yes, that blonde woman linked to the World bank, who he has been photographed with – is she called Nicole Junkermann? The one who has also infiltrated the NHS..

127926 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1125 of 1466 🔗

That interview was so frustrating to listen to. He was happy to bullshit his way through it and time and again she seems to back off. His comparison of Norway and Sweden was simply out of order. Comparing is misleading, but why not compare Scotland to Norway ? And then tell us he’s got this.

127930 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Leemc23, 1, #1126 of 1466 🔗

I really wanted to let Julia H-B know what the *truth* is regarding Sweden (especially in case she interviews him again), but not sure how one gets in contact with her at Talk Radio..?

128006 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Leemc23, #1127 of 1466 🔗

Agreed.

To handcock we are a virus

I hope he burns in hell

127826 BobT, replying to BobT, 25, #1128 of 1466 🔗

LETTER FROM GOD

Dear Humans, when I created the world a little while ago I planned it so that every animal who inhabited the planet could roam free.

Birds can fly free and enjoy the environment I created, I instilled just enough fear in them to be careful they were not taken by a predator but not so much that they would never leave their nests.

Fish roam the oceans freely knowing that if they get a bit too close to the surface they could be eaten by a bird but that does not stop them getting on with and enjoying their lives.

Wildebeest roam free and often have to migrate to find food so that therd can survive. They know that a few of their mates will be eaten by Lions, Hyenas and Crocodiles on the way but they do not live their whole lives in constant fear of this, they just go about their lives as normal.

As for you Humans, I have to say my plan has gone wrong. Perhaps through some unintended mutation in your genome you have given up the freedom I gave you to roam free. You started by dividing up Earth into things you call Countries and built barriers, even big walls, to contain yourselves and limit the freedom I gave you. You then organised groups of a few people you call Governments to tell you what you can and cannot do, then (and this is the most disheartening bit) you actually do as you are told. Just remember that I am the boss here!

As with the rest of the animals, I did instill a little fear in you which was supposed to be just enough so that you could protect yourselves from predation and ensure the survival of your species. I also made the planet a slightly risky place just to keep you on your toes. It was never my intention that you would become completely risk averse and live in fear of everything.

Just now, only 2020 years since I sent my son as a guide, you have gone against all my objectives and actually locked yourselves up in some tiny wood and concrete boxes hiding in abject fear of a naughty little fairly harmless virus which I only created to just add a little spice to life. You refuse to roam freely or even meet up with others so that you can procreate as intended. Clearly, if you continue with this behavior you put your entire species at risk of extinction which would be a shame when I have put in so much effort.

Oh, and while I am at it, can you please stop polluting the planet with your smoke and unnatural chemicals you are leaving about the place which are putting the rest of my beloved plants and animals at risk.

Yours Sincerely,
God.

127834 ▶▶ Andy Riley, replying to BobT, 1, #1129 of 1466 🔗

Brilliant!
Reminds me a bit of The Creation Memos:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Creation-Memos-Geoffrey-Atkinson/dp/000218012X

127847 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to BobT, 4, #1130 of 1466 🔗

Dear God

You created us in your own image. If you screwed up, the fault lies somewhere within you.

Regards

Humanity.

128161 ▶▶ kelly81, replying to BobT, 3, #1131 of 1466 🔗

God sent us a new saviour, he is calld Anders Tegnell. If I set up a religion to worship him that will make any pro-lockdownists who try to push me around guilty of religious discrimination.

128326 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to kelly81, #1132 of 1466 🔗

We need a catchy new name for that new religion. Imagine putting that on the census.

127833 Tenchy, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1133 of 1466 🔗

This recent pontification from someone on SAGE:

UK on ‘edge of losing control’ of virus, says Sage adviser

The chap in question is Mark Walport:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Walport

He wouldn’t be another vaccine fanatic, would he (apologies if I’m maligning his credentials without justification)?

127839 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tenchy, 5, #1134 of 1466 🔗

They all appear to be fanatics of one sort or another.

127840 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tenchy, 2, #1135 of 1466 🔗

He sits on top of the academic funding body, although retiring soon!

127845 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #1136 of 1466 🔗

I’m sure there’ll be room somewhere along the wall to stand him against.

128033 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1137 of 1466 🔗

Can’t wait.

127849 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1138 of 1466 🔗

He retired from UKRI earlier this year.

127919 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1139 of 1466 🔗

A Welcome Trust connection and therefore a Glaxo man and likely to be very much in the “everyone is ducked until we have a jab” camp.

127836 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 11, #1140 of 1466 🔗

I note that Paddy Hogg, a North Lanark councillor and organiser of the Edinburgh anti-lockdown protests (I attended last Saturday) has been arrested. Police Scotland said he had arranged the protests “in opposition to the Covid-19 restrictions.”

Article here

127913 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1141 of 1466 🔗

At the end of the article the newspaper made a financial plea becuase of falling ad revenue – well, maybe they should print the truth then. Well done, Paddy Hogg.

127841 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #1142 of 1466 🔗

Who knows about the voucher scheme every time you get tested? As many times as you wish??

127843 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, #1143 of 1466 🔗

On ONS

127853 Olaf Felts, replying to Olaf Felts, 22, #1144 of 1466 🔗

By far the saddest time of my life – pure despair at what we are now witnessing. The only comfort I have is that most people I know revile Mr Alexander Johnson etc. and most pleasingly, the Tory ones are so incandescent they exclaim they will never vote Tory again, or Labour, ….. etc.

127856 ▶▶ JohnMac, replying to Olaf Felts, 6, #1145 of 1466 🔗

As for the name of a new party, I would suggest The Traditional Freedom Party.

127862 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Olaf Felts, 18, #1146 of 1466 🔗

All this talk of voting and new parties is pie in the sky. We will not see free and fair elections again in this country for a very long time.

The resistance has to be in another form, totally outside all the systems of control that have enslaved us.

127905 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Richard O, 4, #1147 of 1466 🔗

No “normal” until a vaccine, which may never come. I agree elections are not happening anytime soon in U.K.

127908 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Leemc23, 4, #1148 of 1466 🔗

Correct, with such widespread compliance, the new normal can be sustained indefinitely. And why would governments want to stop this? They are having the time of their lives.

127857 JohnMac, 1, #1149 of 1466 🔗

This interview with Tibor Fischer in Quillette is excellent. Tibor Fischer wrote Under the Frog, a comic novel about Stalinist Hungary in the 1950s: https://quillette.com/2020/09/09/under-the-frog-why-tibor-fischers-1992-booker-nominated-novel-may-have-found-its-moment/

127858 Silke David, 2, #1150 of 1466 🔗

The photo of the failing covid compliance office made my day!

127890 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, -5, #1152 of 1466 🔗

Are you on pay per click for all these YouTube videos?

127885 Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #1153 of 1466 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJtSGX5b9xk
His Finger On The Nuclear Trigger

127889 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 9, #1154 of 1466 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr_JVStDMrw
Poland: COVID sceptics decry measures in Warsaw protest

127938 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 10, #1155 of 1466 🔗

There are groups of poles in Ireland organising group meet ups in mask heavy stores, so that non mask people can be supported. Also to amake a combined political statement. Born rebels

128029 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #1156 of 1466 🔗

Send us hundreds.
Indeed, east Europeans should have inherited knowledge of how to push against oppose a totalitarian regime.

128045 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 5, #1157 of 1466 🔗

Not a bit of it. Many Poles can remember Communism. They were glad to see the back of it and don’t want to see the return of it. All power to their (collective?) elbows!

128218 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Nick Rose, #1158 of 1466 🔗

Absolutely. They know exactly what they are up against. And not just communism, the Great Powers carved the country up amongst themselves in 1795, so they have a lot of experience of the heel on the neck.

127894 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 6, #1159 of 1466 🔗
127904 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #1160 of 1466 🔗

BBC framing today’s anti Covid protests in France as “return of the yellow vests”.

Macron has got off light. Took UK PPE and threatened our food supply if we did not follow them into lockdown.

127915 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to 2 pence, #1162 of 1466 🔗

Fair play not just the BBC then.

127928 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Tim Bidie, 7, #1163 of 1466 🔗

Perhaps they should just ask “ are you well enough to queue for 2 hours with a mask on ?”

Yes = Negative

127957 ▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to Steeve, #1164 of 1466 🔗

Moreover.

Health minister Olivier Veran said the new tests, called antigénique rapide in French will deliver results in 15 to 20 minutes, although the downside is that they are less reliable than the PCR tests.

128051 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to hotrod, #1165 of 1466 🔗

Are these what Boris has in mind for our daily ‘access to society’ tests?

127896 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 1, #1166 of 1466 🔗

I know it’s Saturday Night – But how much has been spent on controlling and treating the infection Covid 19 so far to date?

127898 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Steeve, 7, #1167 of 1466 🔗

If you include the cost to the global economy, probably trillions. No expenses spared on the path to the Great Reset.

127922 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Richard O, 1, #1168 of 1466 🔗

Isn’t it several hundred billion at least just in the UK? So yes, several trillion if you add in the US, Europe, etc

127935 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Julian, 4, #1169 of 1466 🔗

It doesn’t matter no government will be paying it back.You can tell that by how casually they are spending it.£100 billion on daily testsAnd to think they mocked Jeremy Corbyns spending plans

127943 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 9, #1170 of 1466 🔗

Yes, so not only do we get to live in dystopia, we have to pay for it for the rest of our lives. The scale of the crime being perpetrated here is unimaginable, even to us hardened sceptics.

128177 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Steeve, #1171 of 1466 🔗

Possibly at a minimum, 10’s of milllions more lives than it’s saved?

127900 TJN, replying to TJN, 5, #1172 of 1466 🔗

Dunno if anyone has tried this yet, but The Whig Party.

About time they were resurrected.

127914 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to TJN, #1173 of 1466 🔗

I’d like to revive the Chartists – but, of course, they’d have to be a charter first.

128063 ▶▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Carrie, #1175 of 1466 🔗

Thanks for that – wonderful photo on the home page.

128068 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1176 of 1466 🔗

You’re welcome 🙂

128253 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1177 of 1466 🔗

The Charter of The Forests 1217?

128262 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #1178 of 1466 🔗

That’s a new one on me!

127912 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #1179 of 1466 🔗

Just caught a bit of the news on Radio Four an hour or so ago. France is a warning to us.

“Cases” have certainly rocketed – they are double their previous peak back in early April – but mortality are only 3% of what they were at their even after a recent uptick (dread term).

Hospital admissions were cited – does anyone know how they are going.

127920 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Ned of the Hills, 5, #1180 of 1466 🔗

I think you have to be careful with hospital admissions. I’ve seen reports of people being cycled in and out of hospital very quickly, and of people being tested once in hospital for something else. It’s really people in critical care that you want to measure.

127950 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Julian, 2, #1181 of 1466 🔗

Thanks for these observations.

What I half heard on the Radio was that hospital admissions had increased in France. An average of 100 a day to 101 would be an increase.

Given there is an increase admissions I just wondered how it compared with the scale of increase in cases.

127931 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ned of the Hills, 1, #1182 of 1466 🔗

Couple of things to look for :

Regionality
Seasonality
Massive testing increases
Shit testing apparatus

128238 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1183 of 1466 🔗

I’d like to know this too. The most recent info I could find is here: https://www.thelocal.fr/20200904/covd-19-deaths-and-hospitalisations-in-france-begin-to-rise-again

127916 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #1184 of 1466 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oprcRiGqkAs

Protestors detained in Melbourne after anti-lockdown protest

127946 ▶▶ Michael C, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 7, #1185 of 1466 🔗

Unbelievable! Australia should hang its head in shame.

127976 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Michael C, 3, #1186 of 1466 🔗

Australia – the lackey country.

128059 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #1187 of 1466 🔗

Speaking of Melbourne, see this: https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticism/comments/ir5mkv/police_riot_teams_helicopters_and_large_groups_of

Full riot squads out policing the central parks. Coming soon to us this Autumn?

128126 ▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #1188 of 1466 🔗

The only selfish one is Andrews, I just despair!

127924 NickR, replying to NickR, 6, #1189 of 1466 🔗

Hospital bed occupation ve new positive tests.
Can you spot a trend?

127937 ▶▶ NickR, replying to NickR, #1190 of 1466 🔗

OOOOOPs slip of the tongue, or keyboard, it’s covid beds v all hospital beds occupied.

127940 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to NickR, #1191 of 1466 🔗

Where did you find that gem?

127953 ▶▶▶ hotrod, replying to Carrie, #1192 of 1466 🔗

Yes important, need to get these to the right people.

127984 ▶▶▶▶ NickR, replying to hotrod, 1, #1193 of 1466 🔗

They know this stuff, they just hide it.

127958 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Carrie, 4, #1194 of 1466 🔗

Here you go: https://rpubs.com/davehawkins/659624 & friend & I have fun trying to outdo each other on obscure statistics, annoyingly this one’s his!
It’s an interactive website. Click on the items on the right & you can plot all cause covid related hospital activity, by age, type, whatever. Now why doesn’t the government show data in digestible form rather than buried in csv files?

127994 ▶▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to NickR, 1, #1195 of 1466 🔗

I think we both know the answer to that!

128047 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to NickR, 1, #1196 of 1466 🔗

Thanks Nick! Maybe these could be sent to Julia Hartley-Brewer, Jeremy Vine and Alastair Stewart, who all seem to be new ‘converts’ to the sceptic fold?

127941 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1197 of 1466 🔗

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/09/10/study-coronavirus-may-have-hit-los-angeles-in-december-before-wuhan-outbreak-was-reported/#25178fab6b1f

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30223-6/fulltext

The first article describes high suspicion of C-19 in California already spread widely in Dec.Deaths during this time might have been attributed to flu. This might explain the current death figure C-19 in California is very low compared to NY and also in the state with the highest population.The second article shows suspected wide spread C-19 early in January in Seattle, also on the West Coast, in children and probably massive amount of mild cases.

127955 ▶▶ NickR, replying to swedenborg, #1198 of 1466 🔗

Gosh! Isn’t that interesting!

127972 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to swedenborg, 1, #1199 of 1466 🔗

It could well have originated in the USA – I believe they have a high take up of the flu vaccine – so providing the perfect breeding ground for a novel pathogen. I recall many friends, family and acquaintances suffering with v persistent virus symptoms from last November, in the UK. We know it’s mutating all the time – maybe more deadly strains developed in China from December onwards.

127944 NickR, replying to NickR, 4, #1200 of 1466 🔗

We have Syrian friends with relatives in Damascus, an aunt has Covid, we sent them this video from back in April about how to breath & cough to treat Covid, it seems to have worked for many people.
Also, they’ve started taking zinc, vitamin C & D (I don’t know a doctor who doesn’t) which has caused/coincided with big improvements.
How come our medics don’t share this kind of useful, cheap info that’s worked for so many?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBkGDIeQwXo

127968 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to NickR, 2, #1201 of 1466 🔗

Maybe they’ve been told to hold off for the ‘vaccine’

128415 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to NickR, #1202 of 1466 🔗

Great link thanks

Agree. This is what doctors should tell us. This is what doctors should do with hospitalised patients instead of putting them on ventilators and either damage their lungs or kills them.

Also take iodine – most of us are deficient

127945 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1203 of 1466 🔗

What happened to Boris Johnson?

127949 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dan Clarke, 8, #1204 of 1466 🔗

He revealed who he really is.

127971 ▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Richard O, 12, #1205 of 1466 🔗

A libertine, not a libertarian.

Not particularly intelligent, but with an excellent memory for utterly irrelevant Latin and classical Greek poetry.

Almost as innumerate as Diane Abbot.

A lifelong liar.

127986 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Ossettian, 3, #1206 of 1466 🔗

And a textbook narcissist.

I doubt he can recite Homer anymore. He can barely speak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wqa560H4zo

“Contract tasting” indeed. I suspect this is partially brain damage from heavy recreational drug use catching up with him.

128072 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, #1207 of 1466 🔗

Or the effect of mind-altering drugs given to him in hospital..?

127973 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Richard O, 3, #1208 of 1466 🔗

We were fooled, big time.

127977 ▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1209 of 1466 🔗

For the first time I didn’t vote Conservative in a GE – and I first voted in 79 when I was 18 – because I wasn’t fooled by him.

127951 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1210 of 1466 🔗

He was abducted by aliens and made to undergo a brain transplant.

127982 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to OKUK, #1211 of 1466 🔗

Bribed threatened and blackmailed by the world bank more like

128039 ▶▶▶▶ Bugle, replying to anon, 1, #1212 of 1466 🔗

We know Belarus was offered loans on preferential terms to implement covid measures. South Africa likewise. Would be interested in more detail on this if you have any.

128021 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to OKUK, 2, #1213 of 1466 🔗

What did they swap his brain for, a baked bean?

128067 ▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to annie, 2, #1214 of 1466 🔗

Spitting Image of old had a regular feature called “The President’s brain is missing”. An update for the 21st Century featuring PM Johnson would be appropriate.

127975 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1215 of 1466 🔗

When is the book signing?

127990 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1216 of 1466 🔗

I suspect that when he was supposedly in hosptial he was actually being gotten at by powerful interests and given orders.

128042 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to DRW, #1217 of 1466 🔗

I agree…
Love to know what he was offered as ‘payment’ for doing what he is doing…

128296 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Dan Clarke, #1218 of 1466 🔗

They showed him the pictures of him and that rather cute girl from that hotel a number of years ago and he asked “what’s my agenda”?

127947 Silke David, replying to Silke David, 5, #1219 of 1466 🔗

Need to rant
Yesterday in my local supermarket, me the only shopper showing my whole face. People look miserable. I made a point of looking them into the eyes and smiling.

Shops displaying signs “face coverings required” make no mention of exemptions, therefor making people feel uncomfortable to go in.

My local “Savers” apparently refusing people without face coverings entry.

I saw a lady and her toddler, the little girl had a beautiful face covering – of course fiddling with it all the time. WTF? Although, kids quite like it? Want to look like mummy?

My local MP (Minister for PHE) wrote to a fellow constituent – via her assistant – “I am far too busy to consider dealing with constituents questions.”

127983 ▶▶ Tony Prince, replying to Silke David, 1, #1220 of 1466 🔗

Went to the Trafford Centre yesterday, entered through John Lewis, bit of a queue because young lady was asking shoppers to wear a mask and use the available hand sanitizer. I asked when did this become mandatory and walked on in. Could hear some of the sheep behind me ‘oh ing’ in disbelief. I’m sure if they asked people to remove shoes and socks and walk through sheep dip, most would

127996 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Silke David, 3, #1221 of 1466 🔗

If they insist to know why you are exempt they breach Section 29 (5) (a) of The Equality Act 2010.

If they deny entry or refuse service it is a breach of Section 13 (1) of The Equality Act 2010.

128040 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, 1, #1222 of 1466 🔗

I think a few people suing shops for discrimination might bring about change..

127956 Hugh, replying to Hugh, 2, #1223 of 1466 🔗

I seem to remember a newspaper story some years ago that a large proportion of mobile phones are swimming with disease because people fiddle with them wherever they go, including places like toilets, but don’t get round to washing them. So I was wondering if there is a similar situation with face coverings, and if any research has been done into what percentage of them constitute a health hazard, and how realistic it is to expect (nearly) everyone to keep them sufficiently clean.

On another point, I’m not sure about some of the suggestions for names for a political party, they sound to me like a faction of Lib Dems or a bacchanalian orgy. Whilst this might obviously represent some of us, I feel we need something that we can all unite around and serves as a call to arms, like Defend Common Law, but maybe something that would resonate more with the public than that. Can’t think of anything at the moment… definitely nothing parochial anyway.

I see they’re going to sing that song later on the BBC – “Whilst thou shalt flourish great and free” – fat chance!

127999 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Hugh, 2, #1224 of 1466 🔗

Best article on general spread and hygeine I’ve seen is here:
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=240209

128035 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Hugh, #1225 of 1466 🔗

It would be great if we could get hold of some kind of quick test to check for bacteria on facemasks – and set up stalls in town centres offering for people to be able to see what’s lurking on them!

A bit like you can use ultraviolet light for in other contexts..

128419 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Hugh, #1226 of 1466 🔗

definitely nothing parochial anyway.

Agree. It needs to be funky, catchy and also attractive for the younger generation

127962 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1227 of 1466 🔗

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2770758 This is a new article in JAMA a very mainstream US publication. They now accept that T cells are important but as you see in the last quotation, they have to say something important about vaccine.US Medical journals are heavily influenced by Big Pharma. But they even qualified the vaccine for those at greater risk. At least some progress! COVID-19 and the Path to Immunity
“Substantial data now demonstrate the presence of preexisting T-cell immunity to SARS-CoV-2 in blood donors either prior to the COVID-19 pandemic or more recently among those without infection. Memory CD4+ T cells are found in higher frequencies than are CD8+ T cells, and these likely represent responses induced by previous infection with other human endemic betacoronaviruses known to cause the common cold.”

“ However, relying on population-based natural immunity, especially for populations at risk of greater disease severity, is not wise. Boosting specific neutralizing antibodies and T cells immunity to high levels with an effective vaccine regardless of prior immune status may further protect these individuals.”

127978 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to swedenborg, #1228 of 1466 🔗

Do more recent (post Covid) common colds offer more protection than ones caught say 12 months ago?

128139 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #1229 of 1466 🔗

I haven’t had a cold since Covid! Last “cold” I had was in early December when my husband and I caught something from my sister and were dry coughing for a month. In retrospect, it could have been Covid. Otherwise we haven’t had so much as a sniffle since and it’s actually starting to worry me! I don’t come into contact with many people now, but I stopped using the hand sanitizer early on as my immune system needs something to do.

128214 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Lisa from Toronto, #1230 of 1466 🔗

Me too, evidently lockdown worked to keep us out of the way of the usual sniffles! Like you, I’m a bit concerned my immune system hasn’t had any practice his winter, though.

128114 ▶▶ Barney McGrew, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1231 of 1466 🔗

“However, relying on population-based natural immunity, especially for populations at risk of greater disease severity, is not wise.”

That sounds non-scientific, to me. I could just as easily say:

“Over millions of years, nature has developed a highly effective defence against viruses using population-based natural immunity. Attempting to outflank nature with a rushed vaccine is therefore unlikely to be necessary or desirable. As more evidence of the true virulence of SARS-Cov-2 is gathered, and more is learned about treating patients who have the disease, the more the ‘do nothing’ option looks like the wisest course”.

See? It’s easy.

128215 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Barney McGrew, #1232 of 1466 🔗

Well put.

127963 NickR, replying to NickR, 6, #1233 of 1466 🔗

There you go. Under 18 Covid hospitalisations v all covid hospitalisations. Show that to your kids headteacher!

128007 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to NickR, #1234 of 1466 🔗

Maybe parents should take that to their child’s headteacher?

128135 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to NickR, 4, #1235 of 1466 🔗

The headteachers are worried about themselves, not the kids. It’s never been about the kids…sadly.

128152 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #1236 of 1466 🔗

Encouraged by unions.

128160 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #1237 of 1466 🔗

Sadly, it might be that head teachers are more worried about minority trouble makers in their ranks, or amongst parents. It only takes one of the puritans to shut them down.

128294 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #1238 of 1466 🔗

Just like every single person wearing a mask. They don’t give two shits for you but think the bit cloth protects them from the invisible virus. The lie and say it’s for everyone but as we all know but only a very small amount of people admit, we care about ourselves first and foremost over everyone, always.

127964 richard riewer, 6, #1239 of 1466 🔗

Finally a demonstration for Liberté in Montreal this afternoon. It was long overdue.

127980 NickR, replying to NickR, 6, #1240 of 1466 🔗

This is under 18s hospitalised for Covid. The green line is kids already hospital inpatients when tested, the red line is kids who came into hospital with a pre-existing positive test. Never more than 7 on any day since the end of April! Usually 0.
Another chart for the head teacher.

127995 ▶▶ Small guy, replying to NickR, 3, #1241 of 1466 🔗

To be clear : not hospitalised ‘for’ Covid (I.e.no clinical diagnosis of symptoms of ‘suffering’ from it). Just testing (possibly false) positive and most likely going in for some unrelated reason. Correct?

128187 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Small guy, 1, #1242 of 1466 🔗

The NHS definition merely says that th that ‘diagnosed’ means they were inpatients when diagnosed as covid. Only about 10-15% of all patients look like they caught the virus outside of the care system

127981 richard riewer, #1243 of 1466 🔗
127987 Basics, replying to Basics, 19, #1244 of 1466 🔗

https://swprs.org/who-mask-study-seriously-flawed/

Swiss Policy Research calling for retraction of WHO study into face masks for Sars CoV 2 purposes. They give a concise account of how flawed the WHO work was.

WHO Mask Study Seriously Flawed
Published: September 9, 2020

128012 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to Basics, 1, #1245 of 1466 🔗

I was in a Facebook spat about masks then, when someone produced the link to the Lancet study. I said at the time it was a meta study, not a study itself and that the result of that meta study was only as good as the (possibly subjective) studies used. I didn’t delve into the individual studies but it does seem I was right.

DavidC

128017 ▶▶ annie, replying to Basics, 2, #1246 of 1466 🔗

Good reason for Wales to i pose face nappies. Not.
The bloody lying buggers.

127988 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 3, #1247 of 1466 🔗

https://twitter.com/KimVesto/status/1304671948203491328/photo/1

https://twitter.com/KimVesto/stat 36 almost 50%us/1304673118007459840/photo/1

These are very interesting data from Sweden Acute Respiratory infection (ARI). The schools opened week 33 and 34.An explosion of ARI the week after. Normally nobody would have bothered about common cold starting the school year but not this time. See first link.
The second link gives the testing for PCR C-19 and an enormous increase in testing week 36 almost 50% more. But PCR + going down percentage of positive tests. Total pos tests rather stable.98% have some other viruses.

128004 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to swedenborg, 5, #1249 of 1466 🔗

Great thread, especially if you can read Swedish and understand the comments. I love the comment in English though: ‘Holy macaroni! 10% of the population have pneumonia?’ The reply ‘No, they have a cold’!!!!!

The increased testing in Sweden over the last couple of weeks seems to have been due to kids with symptoms similar to Covid getting tested at their parents’ request – however practically all the tests have been negative – ie the kids have other viruses. Of course this phenomenon (cold-type viruses doing the rounds in schools) is usual at this time of year and it is only due to the existence of covid 19 that they are being tested at all…

128149 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Carrie, 2, #1250 of 1466 🔗

Thanks for summarising.

I dip into some Facebook groups organised by worried parents who are at odds with schools reopening. Just to gauge the mood.

They are all posting messages about how they can’t get a test. All due to their little one having a runny nose and they don’t want to take any chances. The responses are even more bizzare (“Praying for your little one” and such things)

Obviously some must be genuine but it’s largely just people consumed with fear

128157 ▶▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1251 of 1466 🔗

I read somewhere that you can only get a test sent to you if you have all 3 of the main symptoms (i.e. continuous cough/fever/loss of smell and taste). Couldn’t they just do this at home without the testing kit on their kids or is that too sensible and doesn’t drum up the media hysteria?

127991 HelzBelz, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #1252 of 1466 🔗

The Emancipation Party.

Or just… Latitude.

128000 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to HelzBelz, 1, #1253 of 1466 🔗

The Freeborn Party

128154 ▶▶ kelly81, replying to HelzBelz, #1254 of 1466 🔗

That’s quite a good name for an anti-lockdown party. Due to historical connotations it will be very hard for anyone to argue that emancipation is a bad thing.

128213 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to HelzBelz, #1255 of 1466 🔗

That’s a good one.

127998 DRW, 1, #1256 of 1466 🔗

The Sturgis Bike Rally, Sensationalist Reporting, and Broken Disease Models: https://www.aier.org/article/the-sturgis-bike-rally-sensationalist-reporting-and-broken-disease-models/
“There are certain things that are so significant and the tradeoffs favorable enough that they are worth braving a pandemic, such as Woodstock.”

128001 DRW, replying to DRW, 3, #1257 of 1466 🔗

Also the Oxford University/AstraZeneca vaccine trials have resumed despite the known autoimmune disorderly side effects:
https://covid19vaccinetrial.co.uk/trial-resumes

128005 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to DRW, 9, #1258 of 1466 🔗

We are committed to the safety of our participants and the highest standards of conduct in our studies and will continue to monitor safety closely.

Translation:

We are not committed to the safety of our participants and the lowest standards of conduct in our studies and will not continue to monitor safety closely. We are under orders from the WHO to distribute this vaccine by Q1 2021 so will be cutting corners.

Who cares about side effects? The more the merrier.

128118 ▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Richard O, 3, #1259 of 1466 🔗

It’s a double win for them — the vaccine creates an autoimmune disorder and then the pharma company has a customer for life who will take their drugs to counter the effects of the disorder they caused. What’s not to love about that business model???

128002 IanE, 3, #1260 of 1466 🔗

Justice deferred is justice denied.

128018 Edward, replying to Edward, 3, #1262 of 1466 🔗

Serious question for those who believe it’s all about the Great Reset/Agenda 21:
To what level in the UK do you think the plan is known and agreed? – Johnson alone? Most of the cabinet? All MPs, Civil Service & judiciary? Councillors too?
The further down the scale, the less believable it becomes.
Since a few MPs are showing signs of independent thought, the likely level would seem to be somewhere in the cabinet. Unless you believe those MPs are a deliberate part of the plot to fool us into thinking they’re independent-minded!
I’m not mocking anyone’s views, I genuinely want to hear what you think.

128025 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Edward, 1, #1263 of 1466 🔗

I’d say government-wise maybe only a few in cabinet..Johnson and Hancock..
Plus Tobias Ellwood…
I think not many know the whole plan.
Common purpose bods probably know about it..
Prince Charles has talked about the reset as well..

128044 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Carrie, #1264 of 1466 🔗

I seem to recall something that showed Prince Charles is directly involved in the WEF in some way.

128046 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Carrie, #1265 of 1466 🔗

Add Gove, Cummings and Ms Carrie?

128078 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1266 of 1466 🔗

Yes – forgot Cummings!

128031 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Edward, 5, #1267 of 1466 🔗

I doubt Johnson either knows or cares. Ditto Hancock. They are just having way too much fun making everyone’s lives a misery.

In terms of what could be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in court, I think the knowledge regarding any plan to transform global society would go no further down the chain of command than organisations like the WHO, WEF etc.

128054 ▶▶▶ T. Prince, replying to Richard O, #1268 of 1466 🔗

And they’re likely to become very, very rich….

128061 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to T. Prince, 3, #1269 of 1466 🔗

Precisely, so why should they give a flying fuck about inflicting pain on the entire global population when there’s a pot of gold waiting for them?

128082 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Richard O, 1, #1270 of 1466 🔗

Remember all the leading global politicians and business people attend Davos (organised by the World Economic Forum) every year and hold meetings about what direction to take the world. They are all very aware of the plans as they are implemented through their department’s strategy, the plans continue no matter what the government in power is.

The UN is a forum for all the elite technocrats to decide global policies. All the polices are agreed to at senior level politically in every nation (the ordinary voters never get a say on any of it).

128134 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Darryl, 1, #1271 of 1466 🔗

This is huge in terms of how things shift. While various attendees contribute, a common ‘theme’ emerges from events such as Davos. This theme is pounced on by many strategy groups who sell their wares to large corporations in the form of business strategy ‘points of view’ which align to this ‘theme’ (Read your Big 6 consulting groups).

The corps know that they need to swivel their image to align to this theme, be it Green, Diversity, Globalism, whatever. The shift should be implemented and budgets assigned to ensure it happens. The big central players in money markets move in behind this.

Why? Because competition, true free market competition is dangerous to these groups. They would rather act in concert to slice and dice the spoils of the global marketplace in such a way. Its called first mover advantage. Its pays to be part of the network.

128036 ▶▶ MizakeTheMizan, replying to Edward, 3, #1272 of 1466 🔗

They don’t have to know about it, they just have to be told what to do.

Every town/city in the UK has been given funding with the instruction to get people out of their cars. Here in Sheffield I have a friend that is a planner and he has confessed to me that they now have to use stick rather than carrot to get people out of cars, and that is what is behind the scheme to turn one lane in a dual-carriageway ringroad into a cycle lane. It caused chaos during June-September before being pulled due to resident complaints. He’s never heard of The Great Reset, but he’s directly implementing the policies.

128064 ▶▶▶ Edward, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 2, #1273 of 1466 🔗

That’s a good point, but at these lower levels it’s more likely to be “groupthink” than implementation of a top-down plan. When I worked in industry I noticed fads and fashions spreading rapidly in the corporate world, with different companies all introducing similar policies. Globalisation and the internet have intensified this pattern. So whether it’s an actual high-level conspiracy or powerful people exerting their influence, the end result is much the same.

128084 ▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 7, #1274 of 1466 🔗

I don’t consider myself to be especially clever at all, but I am generally inquisitive and I tend to question things, I put that down to my upbringing. I don’t mean to sound arrogant but I struggle to comprehend how some can’t see the bigger picture. I’ve trawled through a lot of the WEF’s website, UN’s etc (of deary me) and looked elsewhere for months now, but it doesn’t take much to get a good idea of what is potentially or indeed likely being planned. One doesn’t have to look very far at all – a couple of ‘Computing Forever’ videos do the trick. I think people have just been so brainwashed via MSM driven fear.

128066 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Edward, 13, #1275 of 1466 🔗

Agenda 21 has been built into the UK governance system down to council level for years. The people lower down the chain just get told to meet a target of complete some project and are completely unaware of the part they are playing in implementing the project as a whole. Only the very senior politicians and civil servants really have knowledge of Agenda 21 objectives (it is very complex and detailed). Multinational business leaders are completely aware of the plans and global technology companies are the real driving force.

The Great Reset agenda is 100% real and you will see it brought in (why do many people still call it a conspiracy when it is even on the World Economic Forum website?) the major financial institutions in the City of London all know what is happening. Senior people in finance aren’t stupid and will undoubtably be making a killing financially with insider information – as they always do. Look at the share prices of certain technology companies (especially surveillance and big data) people know the direction the world is going.

Hopefully the masses will fight back for a world that benefits them, not enslaves them.

128080 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Darryl, 1, #1276 of 1466 🔗

How will it affect the masses, I mean in every day life?

128095 ▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Dan Clarke, 6, #1277 of 1466 🔗

I would suggest you will see ever increasing levels of top down monitoring and control using technology. China’s smart cities are a good example of what is possible, with their social credits system and widely used facial recognition technology linked to digital payments. You can get a driving penalty issued by AI and have the money instantly debited from your bank account and your social credit score updated – it is all possible now and taking place and is well documented even in mainstream media.

We must stop it from happening in the UK – it isn’t being done for our convenience, it is being done for our control.

128141 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Darryl, #1278 of 1466 🔗

Smart Cities are a rabbit hole in themselves. New York is due to incorporate 4 smart cities this year. Big money and influence from a certain Middle East state and ex mayor of NYC.

Check out Whitney Webb for more.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/author/whitney-webb/

128096 ▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #1279 of 1466 🔗

See Mark Windows Windows on the World youtube for podcasts that cover this exact topic with the UK in mind. Mark always references source documents and clearly describes local area changes and where there lineage comes from.

128092 ▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Darryl, 1, #1280 of 1466 🔗

Excellent post.

128138 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Darryl, 1, #1281 of 1466 🔗

Agenda 21 is not exactly secret though. So given that you can easily look into this stuff, why do the people not know what this means for their own lives?

I think ultimately it requires a leader to guide people to an alternative. The people alone will simply go along with it until it is too late.

128094 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Edward, 4, #1282 of 1466 🔗

Small group within the cabinet must be aware. Back benchers/ cllrs no idea whats going on and kept busy with insame workloads. Common purpose acts as an elite club – you’re in it so follow because it’s what the cool folk do. Councils know these goals to regionalise the nation are coming from somewhere – it’s flattering they are the ones to carry it out. They visit Habitat conferences and see the future presented in ways they can implement. They are even shown how to ‘take communities with them’ as they ‘lead change’.

Our dim cllr wasn’t aware heroin production hss increased year on year since Afganistan after 9/11 yet heroin deaths and associated troubles make up a large part of their work load. Myopic.

The real sinister work is done by the lobby groups and experts. The world they inhabit is murky.

As an analogy look at the climate assembly that’s just happened. 1000 people all pleased to be selected, well meaning people. Fed data by handlers that is biased although contradicts enough to give the illusion of decision making. Add in delphi technique and hey presto you have 1000 public people asking for shared heat pumps and hydrogen boilers at £15,000 per home. This is how it works.

The government folk hancock boris etc are not capable of generating these ideas and policies they are sales men and women. The decisions are made by unelected groups.

What Darryl says is right.

128142 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, 1, #1283 of 1466 🔗

What’s the delphi technique?

128104 ▶▶ Edward, replying to Edward, #1284 of 1466 🔗

Thanks to all for your thought-provoking comments. I certainly think it’s an important part of our campaign to make more people aware of these high-level plans. It’s like the opposite end of the scale to the day-to-day stuff about shops, pubs, masks etc, which I also think is worth discussing since everyone can relate to it.

128212 ▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Edward, 1, #1285 of 1466 🔗

I’m afraid disseminating conspiracy theories does nothing for the credibility of our campaign whatever.

128201 ▶▶ John P, replying to Edward, 3, #1286 of 1466 🔗

I’m sorry Edward, I am personally sick and tired of this conspiracy theory.

The average MP is thick. That includes Johnson and most of his cabinet.

That is the problem.

128211 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Edward, 2, #1287 of 1466 🔗

The government have been secretly following Agenda 21/30 for years.
Sustainable development,Zero carbon all flow from it.On a cabinet level I think Gove who is very keen on Zero carbon is in on it.Johnson was educated when he disappeared from view.Hancock is so dim he probably believes in all the Covid bollocks.This is all speculation but the civil service run the country and they are thoroughly infiltrated by common purpose.Uk Column had a document leaked to them about the government using this crisis to re purpose the way we are governed and to withdraw support from industry’s that were to be obsolete in 10 years.Travel industry anyone

128282 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Edward, #1288 of 1466 🔗

I predict that you’ll line up for your vax like a good little camper and you’ll be unaware of what happens to those who don’t. Off course it won’t be a secret, everyone knew where the trains with the jews on board was going but you like even some of them people on the trains themselves refused to believe it. Some of these people even thought they were going for a shower. That’s you.

128019 MizakeTheMizan, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 9, #1289 of 1466 🔗

One of us (in a group of six) was forced to scan the Track and Trace barcode in the pub today. Landlord then tells us that from Monday every customer will have to scan it.

Big Brother is watching you.

128034 ▶▶ The Spingler, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 10, #1290 of 1466 🔗

What about those without smartphones? Time to dig out that ancient Nokia brick

128058 ▶▶▶ DomW, replying to The Spingler, 4, #1291 of 1466 🔗

A Nokia 130 is what I have for “special days out” with non-small groups of people, but given where things seem to be going it might become my main phone before long.

128079 ▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to DomW, 4, #1292 of 1466 🔗

I’ve got one of those, but it’s genuinely my only phone.

And I’ve never texted: phone calls and reminders are enough.

128120 ▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ossettian, #1293 of 1466 🔗

Boss ^^^^

128076 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to The Spingler, #1294 of 1466 🔗

Yes, I think Nokia ‘bricks’ will be making a comeback!

128195 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Carrie, 1, #1295 of 1466 🔗

No need. You can use one from about 7 years ago. They are slimmer than modern smartphones.

128098 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to The Spingler, 3, #1296 of 1466 🔗

Doesn’t have to be ancient. My new phone cost £10, and came loaded with £10 credit. It does texts and phone calls.

128193 ▶▶▶ John P, replying to The Spingler, #1297 of 1466 🔗

I use a nokia. It’s slimmer than a smartphone. I use it mostly for taking photographs and occasional texting and phone calls.

128037 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 1, #1298 of 1466 🔗

Does that mean no phone no entry in that pub? I suspect they are desperate for everyone to carry a mobile phone around at all time for movement tracking and the inevitable health passport they will try to bring in (unless we resist now).

128048 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 4, #1299 of 1466 🔗

I dont have a smartphone, even a mobile phone, can I take the one from my house?

128073 ▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #1300 of 1466 🔗

😂

128052 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 3, #1301 of 1466 🔗

The last time I went to a pub was 14th February. Never again.

128088 ▶▶▶ dorset dumpling, replying to Richard O, #1302 of 1466 🔗

I went on March 12th and feel the same about returning.

128199 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to dorset dumpling, #1303 of 1466 🔗

2019

128055 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to MizakeTheMizan, #1304 of 1466 🔗

I’ve been in a few places that have insisted on this but when I’ve said I don’t want to, have relented easily enough. Unlike some mask zealots who just hate not being in control.

128109 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to MizakeTheMizan, #1305 of 1466 🔗

I don’t think that’s correct. It’s just one member of the group, as I understand it.

128205 ▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Tenchy, 1, #1306 of 1466 🔗

They are changing the law to make it mandatory.They are tightening the screw.We have accepted the principle and although it has been easy to avoid masks,track and trace etc it won’t be any longer.We are being prepared for the vaccine that much is obvious.I wish those who see this as cock up and arse covering would wake up.

128281 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1307 of 1466 🔗

You’re right, everyone is dreaming here. We are all fucked and the sinister forces that control our government are bringing in China as our new model. They’ll still be folk here going blah blah blah while the army are pulling you out the car and force tasing you before removing you to the Quarantine Zone to be tested and vaxed and sent to work camps, where you’ll never be seen again. The strong people of this country will need to resort to the tactics of the French Resistance during the war. We are in a fight for our lives and i suspect millions are gonna be killed. No exaggeration whatsoever. Al, you nice old ladies going to church and being nice, you’re finished. Once they’ve taken your money, they’re gonna take your grandchildren and work them in camps. None of us will be allowed private enterprise and we’ll all be working for the state doing what they say to keep us all safe. This is their play and nothing short of a fight to the death

128295 ▶▶▶▶ Will, replying to Jonathan Palmer, #1308 of 1466 🔗

If I leave my phone at home then I can scan their code. Write my name and give a false number… simples.

128236 ▶▶ Nottingham69, replying to MizakeTheMizan, 1, #1309 of 1466 🔗

Take no phone, pay with cash, write down a fake number.

128327 ▶▶▶ Chris John, replying to Nottingham69, #1310 of 1466 🔗

Someone must have Matt Hancocks mobile number

128336 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to MizakeTheMizan, #1311 of 1466 🔗

And, yet again, the people that apply the law as part of their business haven’t looked at it. ‘Rule of six’ from Monday, mandatory test and trace from Friday 18th.

128056 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 4, #1312 of 1466 🔗

If Simon Dolan’s review fails then does that not indemnify all industry against harming customers.

If government policy that has a direct effect on public safety can be determined by an unvalidated and unverified model with large uncertainties and applied without reprisal then any engineering industry can claim this.

No need for insurance. No need for certification.

Boeing do not need to do anything for example about the 737 Max

128070 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to mhcp, 4, #1313 of 1466 🔗

The law is neither here nor there for the big corporations, but you are correct.

A lot of people still can’t see that we are already in a totalitarian system where anything goes for the leadership.

128106 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Richard O, -1, #1314 of 1466 🔗

I will be fascinated to see how the Piers Corbyn court cases go. I believe his first case for breaking the regulations back at the beginning of May is due in court in October – that will be a small penalty if found guilty. Then we have the £10,000 protest case and the one in Sheffield from last weekend.

Let’s see how independent the courts really are (not very I suspect).

128191 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Darryl, 1, #1315 of 1466 🔗

Perhaps. But the supreme court gave Boris a bloody nose last year.

128273 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Darryl, #1316 of 1466 🔗

I can’t wait until they jail him for non payment. We need folk like him to make a stand. They did this sort of thing to Tommy Sheridan over the Poll Tax and all they managed to do was turn him into a folk hero for idiots and get himself elected to the piss poor Scottish Parliament. They didn’t let it go though and that man as much as i disagree with almost everything he has ever said paid a heavy price by being victimised by the state. Corbyn is gonna suffer the same fate.

128074 ▶▶ DRW, replying to mhcp, 3, #1317 of 1466 🔗

I support Dolan’s challenge as much as everyone on here but I’m not hopeful it will succeed after the judiciary’s anti-Brexit activism in recent years.

128091 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to DRW, 1, #1318 of 1466 🔗

Yes – it is, sadly, doomed to failure. You only have to look at how dilatory the legal system has been with this, cf. Gina Miller’s challenge.

128129 ▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to IanE, 1, #1319 of 1466 🔗

Hilarious. Diehard Brexiteers moaned incessantly about ‘how dare Gina Miller bring a judicial review to court’, vexatious litigation, going against what the majority voted for, ad nauseam . All she was after was proper Parliamentary scrutiny and debate. Just like Nolan.
Now the boot is in the other foot and they discover, oh yes, it might actually be useful to be able to challenge the arbitrary seisure of power by politicians . What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Make no mistake, BOTH actions are about liberty and the rule of law. However the present top legal bod in Johnson’s team, our Attorney General Suella Braverman, is a highly politicised appointment, and she thinks judicial review is quaint and needs reform. Not a good omen.

128156 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Bruno, 1, #1320 of 1466 🔗

If you think that was the motivation of those who used Miller, you’re a complete f@ckwit.

128192 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Ossettian, 2, #1321 of 1466 🔗

Would it not have been better to elaborate on this motivation, rather than resorting to abuse?

128278 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to John P, 1, #1322 of 1466 🔗

Dear John why o why do people like you always have to say can you speak in words that i prove off? It’s pathetic and somewhat annoying. If, say, i tell you to away and fuck yourself would you consider that bit much i i should have said away and have sexual intercourse with yourself or would these words also be unacceptable for you to accept? How about we let everyone say what the fuck they want in any fucking way they fucking want to fucking say it and you shut your fucking complaining stupid fucking mouth you tedious fucking Puta, Por favor

128209 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to Ossettian, 1, #1323 of 1466 🔗

It was.

128158 ▶▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Bruno, 4, #1324 of 1466 🔗

Gina Miller and her wealthy backers had the welcome mat laid out for them by a politicised Remainer Supreme Court. Litigants seeking to challenge May’s sell out deal got nowhere, weren’t even given the chance of a proper hearing. I suspect Dolan will get similar short shrift.

128206 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to OKUK, #1325 of 1466 🔗

They got a proper hearing all right, and a proper ticking off. Magisterial.
This government really wants to mess with the rule of law to get its own way, as Dominic Cummings, Vote Leave, and cronies have shown themselves cynical enough to try already (in a limited and specific way, of course). Don’t therefore be surprised at the way the present law making process is being subverted in precisely the way Jonathan Sumption dissects.

128159 ▶▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Bruno, 1, #1326 of 1466 🔗

I was thinking of the prorogation dispute actually. Historically, prorogation was only limited with parliamentary statues. But the Supreme Court completely overruled that precedent with their own judge-made statue pulled from thin air.

128204 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Bruno, replying to DRW, #1327 of 1466 🔗

Sorry, just because you don’t like a decison doesn’t make it wrong

128250 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Bruno, 1, #1328 of 1466 🔗

Indeed:

‘Parliament is sovereign as a matter of domestic law and can pass legislation which is in breach of the UK’s Treaty obligations. Parliament would not be acting unconstitutionally in enacting such legislation. This ‘dualist’ approach is shared by other, similar legal systems such as Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Under this approach, treaty obligations only become binding to the extent that they are enshrined in domestic legislation. Whether to enact or repeal legislation, and the content of that legislation, is for Parliament and Parliament alone. This principle was recently approved unanimously by the Supreme Court in R (Miller) v Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union [2017] UKSC 5.’

The lack of parliamentary involvement in debating coronavirus measures has been a bit of a worry but should be addressed next week…….

128276 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Bruno, #1329 of 1466 🔗

What she was after was trying to stop Brexit all paid for by sinister forces that now have control of our country. You’ve really slipped up here and exposed yourself. I’m afraid i now consider you “Sylvie” to be a agent provocateur working for the Clampdown people, here to sow division. You’re claim about Gina Miller, not even her real name since she’s not even British and changed it to hide this fact, proves it.

128062 Cheshirecatslave, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 8, #1330 of 1466 🔗

A friend from the church called today as she’d been to the chemist for me. I asked would she take some heavy rubbish out for me .(i’m disabled). She agreed but insisted on donning a mask to “protect me”. The door was wide open and she was in and out in 2 minutes. Her husband is so terrified of the virus he won’t live with her. I told her about the SAGE papers admitting they wanted to scare us but she wouldn’t believe me. I’ve emailed her the link.

128085 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Cheshirecatslave, #1331 of 1466 🔗

Have you got the link, I haven’t seen that?

128116 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Tom Blackburn, 6, #1333 of 1466 🔗

Never mind the SAGE minutes which one in a hundred thousand may know of, even read.

Here in Northern Ireland in Health Minister himself admitted he was scare mongering to force behaviours

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-52988131

128244 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #1334 of 1466 🔗

He only admitted it because it had been leaked, the bastard.

128271 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Cheshirecatslave, 1, #1335 of 1466 🔗

i can’t but help wish ill of people like that, sorry if that makes me a bad person but fuck her

128077 kelly81, 3, #1336 of 1466 🔗

Anyone in Bolton? The coronaphobes have just fiend four takeaways for undisclosed violations of the fascistic new normal. Don’t know what they did, but I bet its the sort of thing we lockdown aceptics approve of.

LA Pizza on Crompton Way, Grillicious on Tonge Moor Road, Allens Fried Chicken on Chorley Old Road and Pizza Corner on Higher Market Street all deserve your patronage, let them see that the more they say f*** you to lockdownist rules the more new customers they’ll get.

I’ll be waiting for if any places in my town get reported as being fined for similar things, then going round to them to spend and say thanks for their eforts.

128083 kelly81, replying to kelly81, 6, #1337 of 1466 🔗

P.S. has anyone noticed, the deaths count today is being quite carefully descriebd in the papers as “9 people have died within 28 days of a positive test”. Wonder how many were run over by buses, or had heart attacks, or fell down the stairs, or driven to suicide by abusive lockdown regulations? Looks like the supposed rise in deaths isn’t real at all, just a few people who got tested have, as happens if you test enough people, been bumped off by something else.

128496 ▶▶ Arkansas, replying to kelly81, #1338 of 1466 🔗

This is indeed the case. It’s useful to have the definition be more clearly visible like this.

I just wrote to my MP to highlight the folly of pursuing zero “infections” or zero “deaths” as a policy, based on the nature of the tests and the methodology of the death accounting. (If you test at all then you will always have “infections”; if you have any “infections” then you will always have “deaths”.) A single link to the relevant government Covid stats page contains pretty much all that is required to show something is adrift; everything beyond that is (ever-shifting) details and stories.

128086 Les Tricoteuses, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 8, #1339 of 1466 🔗

The likelihood of obtaining a false-positive or false-negative diagnostic test result is influenced by factors related to the testing scenario and the test being used (e.g., sensitivity and specificity of the diagnostic test). Diagnostic tests perform optimally for detecting an infection when the pretest probability is high. Pretest probability is the likelihood that the person being tested actually has the infection. This likelihood is based on both the proportion of people in the test population or group who have the infection at a given time (prevalence) and the clinical presentation (including symptoms and known exposure) of the person being tested. In other words, the pretest probability increases with increasing prevalence in the population and clinical indications of illness in the person being tested. In contrast, tests typically perform best for excluding an infection when the pretest probability is low. Test sensitivity is the ability of a test to correctly identify persons with infection, whereas test specificity is the ability to correctly rule-out infection.

Positive predictive value is the probability that a person who has a positive test result most likely has the infection. Pretest probability and test specificity have the greatest impact on false-positive rates. As the pretest probability and the specificity of the test increases, the false-positive rate decreases and the positive predictive value increases.

This is from CDC government website

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/faqs.htm

This means the test is a statistical tool and the more you test people who are not infected the higher the percentage of false positives!

128110 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 9, #1340 of 1466 🔗

And why Zero Covid is the biggest nonsense any right minded person has ever heard.

Please, if anyone ever is in conversation with someone who mentions Zero Covid or a local political representative who spouts it. Ask them – da fuk you gonna do bout false positives?

128111 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Les Tricoteuses, 7, #1341 of 1466 🔗

This was our Associate Chief Medical Officer of Health when asked about mass testing for getting kids back to school in Ontario. She outright admitted on TV that the test is rubbish and the MSM didn’t take notice. Even her last sentence is crazy — even a suspect case in school would require all contacts to be tested, therefore ensuring that someone would test positive! How do doctors spew this garbage with a straight face?

“People really think that testing is going to solve the entire problem, and it isn’t. It’s one component of a response. If you test someone today, you only know if they’re infected today. And in fact, if you’re testing in a population that doesn’t have very much covid, you’ll get false positives, almost half the time. That is, the person doesn’t actually have Covid. They have something else. They may have nothing . So, it will just complicate the picture. On the other hand, if we have evidence of a case, even a suspect case in school, all the contacts, be it a child or a teacher, would be tested.”

128122 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, 22, #1342 of 1466 🔗

All over the globe thousands of grannies and grand papas were killed by you, the governments of the world… just following orders. Then you have the audacity to denounce us as granny killers and punish us with lockdowns and other stupidities. You’re all clinically insane.

128144 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to richard riewer, 11, #1343 of 1466 🔗

The odd thing is they don’t give a toss if you kill granny by giving her a flu virus.

128162 ▶▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to OKUK, 8, #1344 of 1466 🔗

Yes – nor by denying her access to vital cancer treatments for 6 months…

128168 ▶▶▶▶ richard riewer, replying to nocheesegromit, 3, #1345 of 1466 🔗

They are full of bull….!

128194 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to nocheesegromit, 7, #1346 of 1466 🔗

Or by not being able to have morale boosting visits from loved ones while trapped in care homes (no entertainers or pet visits either).

128235 ▶▶▶▶▶ Arkleston, replying to OKUK, 2, #1347 of 1466 🔗

Yes! I have a friend whose 90-year old father has to pace up and down in his room. He’s not even allowed to walk in the corridor.

128242 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Arkleston, 2, #1348 of 1466 🔗

According to a 2017 review study, “a robust scientific literature has established the negative psychological effects of solitary confinement”, leading to “an emerging consensus among correctional as well as professional, mental health, legal, and human rights organizations to drastically limit the use of solitary confinement.” [2] The United Nations considers solitary confinement exceeding 15 days to be torture . [3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solitary_confinement

128334 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ The Spingler, replying to Arkleston, #1349 of 1466 🔗

My mum died in a care home last year. Sign of the times that I’m glad she died last year and hasny had to live through this

128123 richard riewer, replying to richard riewer, #1350 of 1466 🔗

https://www.bitchute.com/video/pPM0LGTjVHC6/
At minute 21 David Icke says the same.

128270 ▶▶ Biker, replying to richard riewer, 2, #1351 of 1466 🔗

Bro, David Icke is a delusional halfwit, fir fucks sake.

128378 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Biker, #1352 of 1466 🔗

A very rich delusional halfwit

128128 Basics, replying to Basics, 14, #1353 of 1466 🔗

The Bike Rally
From 21st Century Wire:
South Dakota Governor, Health Officials Debunk Sturgis ‘Superspreading’ Study

In a press release on Tuesday, Gov. Noem issued a harsh rebuke of the study and media reporting:

“This report isn’t science; it’s fiction. Under the guise of academic research, this report is nothing short of an attack on those who exercised their personal freedom to attend Sturgis. Predictably, some in the media breathlessly report on this non-peer reviewed model, built on incredibly faulty assumptions that do not reflect the actual facts and data here in South Dakota.“

“At one point, academic modeling also told us that South Dakota would have 10,000 COVID patients in the hospital at our peak. Today, we have less than 70. I look forward to good journalists, credible academics, and honest citizens repudiating this nonsense.”

https://21stcenturywire.com/2020/09/10/south-dakota-governor-health-officials-debunk-sturgis-superspreading-study/

128150 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Basics, 3, #1354 of 1466 🔗

I love South Dakota, it’s the American Sweden proudly defying the doom prophets. Because of that they’ve had similar crap before, in late April they were supposed to be the next New York after some meat factory outbreaks.

128197 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to DRW, 1, #1355 of 1466 🔗

Has to be said hardly anyone lives there! Lol Would be hard to transmit any virus!

128200 ▶▶▶ Michael C, replying to DRW, 6, #1356 of 1466 🔗

It is also the US state which fought (pluckily but unsuccessfully) against the appalling Elizabeth Dole’s legislation to raise the legal drinking age in the US to 21 in 1984. So an American at the age of 18 is old enough to die for their country, open a bank account, take out a mortgage, marry etc. etc. but too young to enjoy a beer (legally).

128155 ▶▶ rational actor, replying to Basics, 2, #1357 of 1466 🔗

Kirsty Noem for President!

Wapo could only identify one death and 260 cases of infection resulting from the 400,000 people attending the Sturgis rally. Even Slate thought the report was poorly constructed, although the author didn’t think the rally should have gone ahead anyway:
https://slate.com/technology/2020/09/sturgis-rally-covid19-explosion-paper.html

Let’s look at what happened in Meade County, SD, where the rally took place. It’s population is about 25,500. So far (12 Sept.) we have:

378 cases
2 deaths
9 ever hospitalized*

*’ever hospitalized’ includes people who were taken into hospital in order to prevent transmission (say in a nursing home), not just people who were gravely ill.

That’s for the whole pandemic. I could not find county historical data for covid in SD, but I came across a local article claiming that the case count had risen dramatically after the rally, but there was no mention of additional hospitalizations or deaths. My reading of this is that the ‘cases’ are either mild or just positive tests, and that Sturgis was a successful experiment in going back to normal because the spread of infection seems to be minor and has not resulted in major hospitalizations or deaths. The real danger of the Sturgis rally is the fact that 400,000 people have a healthy attitude towards risk assessment, and the authorities are panicking because they’re right.

In other news from Sturgis, five people were killed in motorcycle accidents during the week of the rally, and one person sustained minor injuries after being attacked by a buffalo. It is a known fact that the American West would be 500% less dangerous if people stopped trying to pet the bison.

128179 ▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to rational actor, 1, #1358 of 1466 🔗

Cows are the most dangerous animal in the UK. Tricky, those bovids.

128190 ▶▶▶▶ John P, replying to Thinkaboutit, #1359 of 1466 🔗

cattle

128241 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to John P, #1360 of 1466 🔗

Bidens..

128131 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 5, #1361 of 1466 🔗

Question:
Why does Darth Vader sound like that?
Answer:
Because he’s wearing a mask silly.

128166 ▶▶ richard riewer, replying to Nessimmersion, #1362 of 1466 🔗

I thought he had a sore throat.

128203 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to richard riewer, 3, #1363 of 1466 🔗

Yip, caused by wearing a mask!!!!

128146 Julian, 12, #1364 of 1466 🔗

We don’t hear anything about Covid in the military any more

Early on there were stories about ships where almost all the crew were positive

They are surely not working in a Covid-safe way but they f they were all dying I’m sure we’d have heard about it

128153 Kath Andrews, replying to Kath Andrews, 19, #1365 of 1466 🔗

Something from today. Was on shift with my like minded ‘sceptical/awake’ (hope you know what I mean) colleague and another colleague who has – it would seem up until today has rigorously observed the ‘rules’ – I have always had the upmost respect for this person and like them a great deal, but I couldn’t help feeling sooo frustrated as with regards to their outlook. We 3 were in the office today and conversation went on to the inevitable (must be an almost worldwide thing). There was a marked change in the outlook of (hate saying this) but ‘zealot’ colleague. Me and the other ‘sceptical’ colleague worked in tandem, just went about querying the narrative, I suggested UK Column and my other colleague suggested something on a similar line. Former zealot “Kath, don’t forget it’s 2 metres lovely” colleague is (we feel) definitely waking up. People are, well, I sincerely hope, are waking up.

128164 ▶▶ nocheesegromit, replying to Kath Andrews, 4, #1366 of 1466 🔗

Keep fighting and they will continue to do so.

128169 ▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to nocheesegromit, 5, #1367 of 1466 🔗

Me and my like minded colleague really felt it today. The person I begrudgingly describe as a zealot – r\who really has observed all of the so called ‘rules’ to the nth degree- but there was a massive sea change today – it was great. The sinister ‘rule of 6’ (WTF) and the, let’s face it, most probable cancellation of Christmas or restrictions placed upon people being able to celebrate Christmas are an ‘overreach’ (sorry to use the new terminology of bollocks).

128174 ▶▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to Kath Andrews, 4, #1368 of 1466 🔗

I have always been very wary of social media. I’m on Twitter and Facebook. Skeleton presence on FB, never posted anything and never will. The only thing I’ve ever posted is on Twitter (I was drunk) was in June; I said that Christmas would be cancelled – I said this as a reaction to something I saw in the Torygiraffe where the Communist Queen of Scotland was cited as saying – and this was in late April – “Christmas is going to look very different this year”…

128240 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Bruno, 4, #1370 of 1466 🔗

So we English hate the Scots?
Never the other way round, of course.

128269 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to annie, 6, #1371 of 1466 🔗

People in England i’ve found tend to over estimate the support there is for the piss poor dwarf Sturgeon. The truth of the matter is she doesn’t get anywhere close to half the population behind her. She’s propped up by delusional greens (who doesn’t despise them greens?) and limp wristed Liberals. Her time is coming though and old Alex Salmond is going to destroy the lying wee munchkin and her band of fanny licking socialists.

128298 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Biker, #1372 of 1466 🔗

Is Alec sharpening his blades? He must be itching for revenge…

128165 nocheesegromit, replying to nocheesegromit, 7, #1373 of 1466 🔗

Ivor Cummins’ 8th September update video is now up to 378k views

128172 ▶▶ Hugh, replying to nocheesegromit, 4, #1374 of 1466 🔗

remember when Sir Nigel Farage’s videos from the European Union’s “parliament” were getting millions of views? People will start to listen when they’ve had enough (and when they have something worth listening to), it’s just a matter of time. We just need the anti-lockdown “Farage” (which isn’t Nigel Farage unfortunately).

128178 ▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to nocheesegromit, 1, #1375 of 1466 🔗

Sweet.

128868 ▶▶ SkepticEric, replying to nocheesegromit, #1376 of 1466 🔗

Anyone know a reliable source for a CV on Cummins? I found that presentation compelling, and he seems quite even-handed. But I would like to know more about his background before I point the covidanxious to his work. My search didn’t yield much beyond him apparently being some kind of internet diet guru.

128216 SkepticEric, replying to SkepticEric, 1, #1377 of 1466 🔗

Hi guys, thanks for the news and updates. Curious to know what bearing the “Empty Cycle Lanes” bit has on the lockdown story.
Eric

128254 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to SkepticEric, 4, #1378 of 1466 🔗

They put a load in place under the guise of Social Distancing when plans had been in place for years as part of Greening The City.
I have no problem with that, I do have a problem with being lied to.

128838 ▶▶▶ SkepticEric, replying to karenovirus, #1379 of 1466 🔗

Ah, ok, thanks for the info. As a Yank veteran of riding on London streets, I do love me a good bike lane, but that does seem a bit sneaky of them.

128266 ▶▶ Biker, replying to SkepticEric, 8, #1380 of 1466 🔗

The cycle lane is symbiotic of the push to remove us from our vehicles. The criminals that rule over us no problem whatsoever had decided by claiming the earth is under threat to ban you from using cars and motorcycles and we’ve to cycle everywhere. Maybe you’ve not noticed but everything they do is to stop you. They tax everything so you can’t afford it all the while doing what you used to be able to do. To put it in plane english every single environmentalist should be exterminated. These people are the real virus.

128217 Adam Hiley, replying to Adam Hiley, 8, #1381 of 1466 🔗

the time has come to demand this Government resigns along with Labour Libs SNP get rid of all these parties repeal all the regulations fully iimmediate exit from the EU & ECHR create a written constitution that protects our rights & sovereignty https://www.getborisout.org

128222 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Adam Hiley, 2, #1382 of 1466 🔗

Culture is more important than constitutions – after all, Hitler operated under the democratic Weimar Republic’s constitution and Stalin’s Soviet Union had a constitution that guaranteed more rights than any other. That said, I do agree we now need a written constitution in particular to embed free speech rights that have been whittled away in recent decades.

128268 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to OKUK, #1383 of 1466 🔗

It follows that you consider our own culture to be defective. What sickness do you diagnose; what treatment do you prescribe?

128312 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Adam Hiley, #1384 of 1466 🔗

Website not available – how strange!

128232 Arkleston, replying to Arkleston, 15, #1385 of 1466 🔗

I was raised in an abusive household and it had a lifelong effect. I shy away from conflict but at the same time I am ready to applaud public displays of courage and defiance by other people.

Where I am, New Jersey, I see people in Costco, with their mask pulled down around their chin, I catch their eye and give them 2 thumbs up.

People like that spark joy in me, and I do my best to show my support of their behavior. I don’t understand anyone who has actually “purchased” a cloth mask. I get the surgical paper masks, free, at work. The inner linings are cut out, the outer layers are “snipped” or pricked with needles, to get “breath by a thousand cuts” or at least 10 or 20.

All you defiers out there, keep doing what you are doing, it’s brilliant!

128233 ▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Arkleston, 5, #1386 of 1466 🔗

I just tried cutting out the inner linings. Do you do both sets? With just the blue part you can definitely breathe more easily but it’s kind of obvious something is missing from the mask. But I will say, it would be unlikely for anyone to call you on it because it appears you’re wearing a medical mask, and if it’s covering both mouth and nose I suspect people would just keep quiet. The only cloth masks I have (and only use for a few minutes at a time) say This Sucks and I Am Being Force to Wear This. On the odd occasion I have to put one on, I’ll only do so if it’s subversive, like cutting out the inner linings of the medical masks as you suggest, or has something written on it that makes my feelings clear. Where I live compliance is 100% so I rarely go into a shop, but I have a dentist appointment coming up so will need to put one on to walk into the exam room from the reception area. Mask hacks should be a thing.

128234 ▶▶▶ Arkleston, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 9, #1387 of 1466 🔗

I keep the layer immediately next to the blue outer cover, but slice it with scissors two or three times from left to right. I have literally worn the same 2 paper masks since March, when I go to stores for groceries, coffee, etc, though I get additional new ones at work and keep them in the glove box of my car.

Also, I wear them very loosely, no pressing of the wire against my nose. I need to breathe, and that takes priority over whatever world agenda is being advanced by whom ever is running this thing.

I’m pushing 60 and have had an OK life, horrendous childhood notwithstanding, so I have a pragmatic attitude to this insanity of 2020, but feel bad for young people going through this. Would hate for it to be a replay of the Russian Revolution where it took 70+ years for misery to recede, Berlin Wall came down, but the euphoria did not last long, evidently.

I saw my dentist recently and was pleasantly surprised. Scrubs and mask, but no visor and could walk in the door without having to check in by phone first.

128251 ▶▶▶▶ Lisa from Toronto, replying to Arkleston, 2, #1388 of 1466 🔗

I’m 55 and have had a very good life, but I worry about my kids. I hear you on breathing — I can’t tolerate the bloody mask for more than a few minutes. Cheating is perfectly acceptable! I don’t expect to have a very good experience at the dentist. I had to insist my husband and I have appointments at the same time so we can come in together and be pretty much done at the same time. We have to call up when we arrive and wait in the car until we get the OK to come up. Then it’s masks to walk from reception to the exam room and back out again. SO ridiculous, but dental health is important so I’ll have to deal with it.

128264 ▶▶▶▶▶ davews, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 2, #1389 of 1466 🔗

I am surprised you can wear the same (modified) mask for months. Perhaps I have bought a bad batch but the elastic strings just pull off the mask after a very short while/ There again we use our exemptions this side of the pond.

128613 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Arkleston, replying to davews, #1390 of 1466 🔗

I sew the elastics back on if they become detached, usually just one does (bottom right attachment point, I’m right handed so maybe that area gets the most stress when I pull the mask off).
It’s encouraging that the UK has exemptions.
I think there’s a different mindset over here and people who should know they are exempt behave as though they are not, eg, 70-year old crossing a road on a motorized wheelchair, no one else around, and they have a mask pressed tight against their face.

I have begun thinking of stores as having ‘exemptions’ from my custom, due to their mask wearing policy. I buy food from one shop only, need to eat obviously, and online for any other items.

128280 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Lisa from Toronto, 1, #1391 of 1466 🔗

Hello, is there no exemption procedure in USA/Canada like we have in England? Over here doctors are not allowed to be involved, it is strictly a self assessment procedure, if you feel ‘stir crazy’ after 6 months of this nonsense then you can assess yourself as exempt.

128252 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Arkleston, 6, #1392 of 1466 🔗

I don’t wear masks at all but was being spoken at by a maskoid woman who said “I quite like mine, I spent seven pounds on it”
I suggested she go to Burberry who will sell her one for £90.00.

128258 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to karenovirus, #1393 of 1466 🔗

My first laugh of the day!

128255 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Arkleston, 5, #1394 of 1466 🔗

Thank you. Just the comment I needed this morning. Tomorrow I face my first ever mask defiance. I’ve avoided it so far, living in Wales. I have to help my stepson take his luggage into his new flat in Manchester. He’s been told by the staff at the student accommodation we both have to wear masks. So this will be interesting. He’s exempt, but I’m not and I feel strongly that I should not hide behind the exemption tactic. A broad smile and a confident demeanour will do the trick. But my errant brain has been nagging me with dreams of self-doubt all night, so you message was perfectly timed. Thank you for your inspiring words.

128256 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Mr Dee, 14, #1395 of 1466 🔗

I’ve had a horrible night, waking repeatedly, feeling horribly distressed and nauseous. Can’t bear to think of what my beloved Tenby will look like from tomorrow, human beings replaced by masked ghouls.

Church service today, will attend if they aren’t already demanding gags. First church service since the bollox began, last one for me until literally God knows when. I will not pretend to worship the true God when all around me are bowing to the Covid devil.

After that, no riding lessons in the indoor school, probably no job as our attraction, an old fort, presumably counts as a public space, no eating out, shops only if absolutely essential… It looks as if it will be far worse than the original lockdown.

I will try to be strong, but, friend, how I need you all.

128260 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, 1, #1396 of 1466 🔗

Darkest hour is before the dawn.

128279 ▶▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to annie, 1, #1397 of 1466 🔗

I know you will be strong, Annie. We will get through all this together, however long it takes.

128318 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Charlie Blue, #1398 of 1466 🔗

Thank you, all. We will get through.

128293 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to annie, 4, #1399 of 1466 🔗

It is worse than the lockdown. All discretionary shopping ended now. Won’t say what I’m planning next, but the fascists in London and Caerdydd won’t like it…

128303 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to annie, 8, #1400 of 1466 🔗

I feel the same way Annie. All joy completely sucked out of life and even if you do find something that makes the day seem a little less crap, it has a slightly hollow feel to it.

I remain amazed at how ignorant most people are at what’s been done to them. Again, at work, someone remarked how sad I looked and I said it was because of what was going on and she actually said “what?” ….

You are always one of the first on this site to offer stirring words of support so I will attempt to offer a few (perhaps inadequate) ones of my own to you. Please keep buggering on and don’t let these bastards win. We have to get through this, we just have to.

128317 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to kh1485, 1, #1401 of 1466 🔗

You have been and will always be one of my brightest guiding stars. You have always been in the thick of things and stood up for decent human values. If I could achieve a tenth of what you have achieved, I should be proud.
Yes, we WILL get through this.

128335 ▶▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to kh1485, 1, #1402 of 1466 🔗

Kh, it is amazing, with my friend saying, ‘you really do have to be careful what you say’. well you can just imagine my response.

128397 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Girl down Under, #1403 of 1466 🔗

Stood here, shaking my head. For either good or ill, I say what I think! You can take the girl out of Yorkshire, etc. etc.!

128332 ▶▶▶▶ Girl down Under, replying to annie, #1404 of 1466 🔗

Feeling for you Annie. I was waiting outside my church for a friend this morning. I can’t go in too upsetting. Large sandwich board, ‘Church open, all welcome’. Then 3 A4 pages of Covid instructions and exclusions on the glass doors and then in red at the bottom, ‘……you cannot come into church at this time’. I just wanted to kick that sandwich board over. Stay strong Annie. 💖

128259 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Mr Dee, 7, #1405 of 1466 🔗

Everyone’s exempt. The guidance says you’re exempt if wearing one puts you are risk of harm. Clearly, there are hazards of muzzle wearing, the extent of which are unknown – as many papers online have explained.

As there haven’t been any risk assessments, you are at risk of harm by wearing one. Ergo you, like everyone, are exempt.

128272 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to TJN, 3, #1406 of 1466 🔗

Good point, well made – I’m exempt. Huzzah!

However, I feel like I want to make a stand. Saying I’m exempt is, to me, buying into the system. I want to publicly rebel from the system. The problem is, if I stick to my principles tomorrow, and get refused entry, I’ll be letting down my stepson on his first day at college and I’ll ruin his first day for him (if the bastard rules in Lockdown Manchester haven’t already ruined his experience).

However, I do have a copy of Section 13 (1) of the Equality Act in my wallet, at hand to quote if necessary,

To get me in the right frame of mind, I’ll be listening to Prodigy’s “Their Law” on the way up there.

128277 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Mr Dee, 3, #1407 of 1466 🔗

Yes, that’s the conundrum. Fail to say you’re exempt, and they can refuse you entry. So they win.

So if I’m challenged I just say exempt with a bored, can’t-be-bothered tone.

128301 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to TJN, 2, #1408 of 1466 🔗

And what you have stated can’t be said often enough!
Yet most people still don’t understand – ‘I can’t breathe in this bloody thing’ – ‘Well you’re exempt then’ – puzzled look. Aaaaggghhhhh

128263 ▶▶▶ Danny, replying to Mr Dee, 6, #1409 of 1466 🔗

Good luck to you.
First week or so here was nerve wracking. Avoiding eye contact. Rushing out of whatever shop I was in as soon as possible. Feeling people judge me.
Ultimately, despite the fact that I have all the moral and scientific right on my side in refusing a muzzle, I hate the fact that I could ever make somebody scared for their life.
That last part remains, but all the rest has long gone now. Just smile, be really polite to zealots, and ignore the masks. It will get easier I promise.

128267 ▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Danny, 3, #1410 of 1466 🔗

I agree Danny, it was nerve racking at first but gets so much easier. I may have been lucky but no words from anyone and only one nasty stare that I have noticed. Hold head high, walk with confidence, smile and say hello to people.

We are all here for you Annie xx

128274 ▶▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Danny, 5, #1411 of 1466 🔗

Thanks Danny. Smiling is really important. I’ve been smiling at everybody since the Lockdown began. It really makes a difference to people. If they respond with glaring eyes from behind their muzzle I smile even sweeter.

128288 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sarigan, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #1412 of 1466 🔗

Good luck Mr Dee. Sun is shining, enjoy a muzzle free day.

128275 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Mr Dee, 9, #1413 of 1466 🔗

The exemption process in England is a strange contrast, there is a strict mandatory face mask policy but an extremely free easy and liberal self assessment process. The BMA have advised doctors not to get involved, I have that in writing. And so I would argue that it is not an exemption tactic, it is a right given to you by the Government. If you are looking at this site and raising the question, then after 6 months of this hoo-haa you are anxious and therefore qualify for exemption.

However, the exemption process is poorly understood and going exempt can well lead to confrontation and so you need to be ready for that. Some are OK with facing this head on, well done them. For myself, I wish to avoid confrontation and so I hang the Government exemption card around my neck, I think of it in the same way as the ID lanyard you wear at work. The card preempts the first question as to why you are not wearing a mask? In my experience that has always been enough, but I do carry some printouts from the Government’s web site and the BMA advice to doctors in case I am ever queried but it has never happened.

So, just to re-emphasise exemption is not a tactic it is a right granted to you by the English Government, in my view nobody is in their right state of mind after 6 months of this nonsense and so the whole population qualifies for exemption if they want it.

128297 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Steve Martindale, 8, #1414 of 1466 🔗

I don’t like conflict either but I find the thought of branding myself – by wearing the lanyard – as being sinister (and having the kind of parallels often referred to on this site). I have therefore managed to do what minimal shopping I have to do without wearing it. I have it in my pocket if I get challenged but that is it.

For me, it depends which type of shop I go into. Yesterday I went into an independent greengrocer in the town. And because they have always been courteous and kind to me, I showed my exemption card and explained that I really can’t wear a mask (not only on the grounds of my personal liberty but because I have fainted in the past and fainting is pretty terrifying – not like it is portrayed on TV etc. and it can cause a lot of physical damage and I am not going through that again for anyone). Anyway, he was perfectly relaxed and waved me in. Sad to say that the same greengrocer is now shutting up for good. Not through any fault of his own but because of the hysterical reaction to COVID. So, another hard-working family who don’t deserve this, have their means of earning a living trashed.

If I go into a supermarket, the lanyard stays firmly in my pocket. Haven’t been challenged once. I wrote about this a few weeks ago and someone wrote a pretty snarky response, taking the piss about how ‘brave’ I was. Well, to them I would say, it does take a little courage to do something contrary to what everyone else around you is doing and wondering if there will be consequences. And again on Friday I was walking through the town and some masked bloke glared at me, presumably for my maskless state – he got it right back (brave bloke though, intimidating a lone, middle-aged woman).

128310 ▶▶▶ Marie R, replying to Mr Dee, 2, #1415 of 1466 🔗

I was compliant at the beginning, now never. No-one asks any more. Just sail through the door confidently and if asked (as I was, once), say “I’m exempt “. The key is not to break your stride. Then shop like you are enjoying it, being nice to everyone, smiling and breathing gods fresh air!

128488 ▶▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to Marie R, #1416 of 1466 🔗

I was in IKEA this week. Nobody asked me about a mask.
I wasn’t the only person without a mask.

128285 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Arkleston, 1, #1417 of 1466 🔗

I’m exempt in the UK but I may need to go on a plane at some stage and from the plane hysteria I have seen it is easier to wear a mask. Cutting the inside is a brilliant idea, it will get me onto the plane without fainting.

128306 ▶▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to Thinkaboutit, 1, #1418 of 1466 🔗

If I have to go on a plane I’ll get myself one of those Warsaw Pact gas masks like Hitchens has. Or a full on Plague Doctor suit. If I have to follow these ridiculous dictats, I’ll highlight their ridiculousness by making fun of them.

128480 ▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to Thinkaboutit, #1419 of 1466 🔗

It’s not too bad on the plane.
I got on wearing a mask and soon after took it of and started eating and drinking. You can eat and drink without a mask. I only put the mask back on at the end of the flight. And I saw a few other people like me.
And I went through airport without a mask. Nobody said anything.

128237 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 2, #1420 of 1466 🔗

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sPdi7IAC_A
Latest From Fascist Australia

128239 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #1421 of 1466 🔗

Oz cops losing more friends, influencing less people.

128261 ▶▶ anon, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #1422 of 1466 🔗

Wow. Disgusting behaviour from the pigs. Quelle surprise

128265 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 7, #1423 of 1466 🔗

Out of chaos comes order

A picture is emerging of what the dictator has planned for us

The Aim

To preserve the dictatorship at all costs

How

Control and compliance of the population

By what means?

Mass vaccination, health passports, a cashless society, mass surveillance of the population. The eradication of dissent

Vaccination will not be compulsory. Vaccination will be compulsory. Covid Marshall’s will not be dragging people out of their homes in order to forcibly vaccinate them

However, no vaccination no health passport on your mobile phone. No health passport, no passport, no driving licence, not allowed in shops, no bank account not allowed to work etc

Ah you say, I’ll opt out, I’ll ditch the phone and use cash. In 2008 if there had not been cash about interest rates would have been set at minus 7%. Well we have the mother of all financial crashes coming and it will be used as a pretence to do away with cash

In Orwell’s 1984 the telescreens were screwed to the walls. This allowed Winston some brief respite in an alcove in his room, and on a sojourn to the countryside. Today everyone carries there personal telescreen around with them in the form of a mobile phone. Want a health passport? then you must have a mobile phone.

The dictatorship will know everywhere you go and everything you do. They will also know who the dissenters are

The virus and vaccination are a Trojan Horse

In this context the current project fear makes perfect sense.

128283 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, -2, #1424 of 1466 🔗

Any actual evidence for that bullshit? The incompetent in No 10 can’t even tie his shoelaces.

128284 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1425 of 1466 🔗

Is everything ok at home?

128286 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Cecil B, #1426 of 1466 🔗

The one thing missing on this site is a block button.

128287 ▶▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1427 of 1466 🔗

Why, oh that’s right because your so smart you can’t be bother reading people you don’t agree with. What a fucking rotter pal

128289 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Nick Rose, #1428 of 1466 🔗

I’ll take that as a no

128290 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, #1429 of 1466 🔗

You can have a block button. You cannot have a block button

128367 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nick Rose, #1430 of 1466 🔗

It does as there is quite a lot of spammy links flying around these days on here, but it’s a comments section of a WordPress blog and that’s not how they work, so it’s “tough titties” really.

128304 ▶▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1431 of 1466 🔗

If I said 7months ago a law would be introduced preventing grandparents from seeing their grandchildren, I suspect your response would have been the same.

Hope you are right and I’m wrong

128342 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cecil B, 2, #1432 of 1466 🔗

Just over a year ago I was at the British F1 GP. The was one person there wearing a face mask and everyone was basically saying “look at that idiot there wearing that stupid face mask” because he was in a crowd of 150,000 people. Now something that is totally ridiculous just as it was back then is the normal, and instead of being mocked, the vast majority of people are in favour of wearing them, and now think that anyone that doesn’t is stupid.

Armies can train train someone to be a killer in 21 days, and all the same tactics have been used throughout this lockdown. People are completely unaware of the brainwashing that has occurred.

128311 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Nick Rose, #1433 of 1466 🔗

None so blind as those that can’t see

128329 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nick Rose, #1434 of 1466 🔗

There is actually.

  • Mass Vaccination – the governments own document on COVID-19 that states that the only solution is a vaccine, and the multiple programmes to develop a vaccine that are ongoing.
  • Digital Health Passports – confirmed last week by the Gov.
  • Cashless Society – easily to see by how many businesses and organisations are now taking cash.
  • Mass Surveillance of population – this has been in place for years, just try posting an offensive tweet about a racial group on Twitter using an anonymous account and see how quickly the Police are at your door arresting you. Everything you do these days is tracked, whether that be by mobile phone, CCTV, your car, computer, online shopping, using your Tesco clubcard, or every time you buy something.
128307 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, #1435 of 1466 🔗

Toby had a roundup link outlining just how ‘health Passport’ will work and how awful they will be about 3 weeks ago, very well worth a revisit.
I can only recall the subtitle.

….gateway to a new tyranny”

gogle that just comes up with a US book on gun control.

128323 ▶▶▶ Nsklent, replying to karenovirus, #1436 of 1466 🔗

Check out Blair’s Institute for Global Change. A section where he outlines the need for digital health passports for access to any and every social area, nothing is excluded. It also mentions they are lobbying the government regarding the same.

128291 Geoffrey Kolbe, replying to Geoffrey Kolbe, 1, #1437 of 1466 🔗

Curious that Lord Sumption declined to say that the Public Health (Control of Diseases) Act 1984 (as amended) did not confer the powers that the Government have used to impose a lockdown. What he said instead was that the Act was in effect unconstitutional, because such powers should be applied specific to the situation.
This harks back to the argument over whether Parliament is supreme in that Acts of Parliament inform the Constitution, or whether the courts are supreme in being able to state that Acts can be unconstitutional if they contravene the ‘common law’ as expressed these days as ‘human rights’
At the end of the day, we elect the law makers in Parliament, so they are accountable to the people. Judges are not elected and are accountable to no-one. The over-riding principle is therefore one of democratic accountability and so Parliament must stand above the courts.

128302 ▶▶ Fed up, replying to Geoffrey Kolbe, #1438 of 1466 🔗

as I understand, Lord Sumption’s argument is that the Public Health Act only enables regulations to be made in relation to a limited class of people, namely the infected. The Coronavirus Act does not contain such enabling powers, and is mainly focused on powers exercisable by decree in relation to financial matters and some administrative provisions around the register for nurses and death certificates etc. The Civil Contingencies Act does enable regulations to be introduced that apply to the population at large but these can only remain in force for 7 days until debated by Parliament.

128305 ▶▶▶ Fed up, replying to Fed up, 1, #1439 of 1466 🔗

In brief, the argument is that Government has not acted in accordance with the parameters set down by Parliament by introducing the myriad Restriction Regs.

128313 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Fed up, #1440 of 1466 🔗

In brief the government has abrogated powers to itself that it does not have the right to.
Probably the reason why all early Covid reg prosecutions were withdrawn; supposedly because they had been issued using regs applicable only in Wales which I thought unlikely at the time.

128508 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to Geoffrey Kolbe, #1442 of 1466 🔗

Lord Sumption was on LBC just now.
I hope many people heard his sensible answers.

128292 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 3, #1443 of 1466 🔗

It has become clear that the ‘crisis’ will not just go away of its own accord in time. The natural end point was two weeks after the BLM ‘mostly peaceful protests.’ Nor is there any political solution, as if Christmas is cancelled what chance for elections in the Spring?

All that remains is personal acts of civil disobedience. The opportunity for those at least will not be hard to find. Curfew breaking, anyone?

128320 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Ovis, 4, #1444 of 1466 🔗

Whilst I am not denying that there could be plots afoot, I am rather inclined to agree with Peter Hitchens who sees more incompetence than conspiracy. The Government do not understand science and are behaving like a bunch of school children terrified by a sci-fi horror movie and have let the blinkered scientists free rein to run the show. And just as you should never let accountants run the company you should never let scientists run the government.
But they are running out of time and the stats from the dodgy mass testing programme will not drive this forever. In the last few days some of press have been asking awkward questions comparing all these hysterical test results with the low numbers of hospital cases. And so we saw yesterday an attempt to imply that hospital cases/deaths were increasing but at present the stats do not really support that claim. If hospital Covid 19 cases/deaths stay low for another month this whole pantomime is going to be hard to sustain.

128325 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Steve Martindale, 3, #1445 of 1466 🔗

I agree. If this were as sinister as some suggest it would take planning on the most monumental scale. I mean, I can’t imagine this lot running a whelk stall effectively, let alone masterminding a plot of this magnitude, requiring the compliance of thousands on the inside. Or, perhaps, I am just being naive. (btw, my invite to my MP to come and show me how I am now meant to administer T&T in my shop, while trying to run said shop properly, still stands!).

On the press, they bloody well should have been asking their awkward questions months ago.

128354 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, 1, #1446 of 1466 🔗

That’s how it works though. They want you to believe that they’re incompetent and could need be able to achieve such a thing, this in itself is a form of brainwashing which gives you the comfort of thinking it will never happen and you must be imaging things.

128360 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JohnB, #1447 of 1466 🔗

But is *this* what they really want for their children?

128362 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, 1, #1448 of 1466 🔗

Looking at the teaching curriclulum over the past 20 years, I’d say yes.

128370 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to JohnB, #1449 of 1466 🔗

Funny you should mention that. One of my Saturday staff is in the 6th Form, studying Politics. Last week she was told which papers she was ‘allowed’ to read: The Times; Grauniad and The Daily Mirror (to get a “balanced viewpoint”). She is an avid Daily Mail reader. I suggested to her that she should go in with a copy of The Spectator!

128384 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to kh1485, 1, #1450 of 1466 🔗

I’m surprised she wasn’t just advised the Grauniad !

128337 ▶▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1451 of 1466 🔗

The government, and others, are investing a lot of political capital in a second wave occurring. I fear any sort of increase in mortality figures, which I think there will be, will be talked up as being the “second wave”.

Half listening to Radio 4 just now I think I heard it being mentioned that early October might be when we’ll see signs of it beginning.

128344 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Ned of the Hills, 2, #1452 of 1466 🔗

Yes, that’s the point. Too many careers will be coterminous with the ‘crisis’ for it to be called off. Not just political careers. Scientific, police (Cressida Dick, how does she outlast covid?).

128396 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Steve Martindale, #1453 of 1466 🔗

Agree with you, Steve, but Twatcock justified masks in shops using just 107 deaths nationally. About 2 hours worth of normal, unremarkable avearge death statisitics.

128299 Barney McGrew, replying to Barney McGrew, 1, #1454 of 1466 🔗

http://www.gov.uk has gone down – can’t be reached.

And at the same moment, the Guardian has gone down too.

Perhaps they are one and the same…

128309 ▶▶ Cecil B, replying to Barney McGrew, #1455 of 1466 🔗

Start of a coup d’état ?

128315 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, #1456 of 1466 🔗

Coup de main, more fun

128316 ▶▶▶ anon, replying to Cecil B, #1457 of 1466 🔗

I wish!

Sadly gov uk appears to be up from here

128300 Country Mumkin, #1458 of 1466 🔗

Very interesting speech from prime minister about new tech and surveillance. Was one year ago. https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-speech-to-the-un-general-assembly-24-september-2019

128319 anon, replying to anon, 2, #1459 of 1466 🔗

I am sick of this country

The writing is on the wall

I would like to leave for pastures green

Considering a river boat at the moment

Possibly a better country visa permitting

Perhaps political asylum

Where to go though?

128359 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to anon, 1, #1460 of 1466 🔗

There’s nowhere, everywhere else is operating the same, and no doubt places like Sweden will too eventually when trade starts to ramp up again as it will be like the “war on drugs” where every country had to use the same nonsensical rules on drugs to be able to trade with the USA.

128324 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1461 of 1466 🔗

Why isn’t Lord Sumption advising Simon Dolan??

128383 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Tom Blackburn, #1462 of 1466 🔗

I’m wondering that, too.

128333 mjr, 1, #1463 of 1466 🔗

SUNDAY’S PAGE ARRIVED NICE AND EARLY
with a smile on its face and a hip hip hurrah
https://lockdownsceptics.org/2020/09/13/latest-news-133/#comments

128340 mjr, 1, #1464 of 1466 🔗

i repeat.;.. SUNDAY’s PAGE IS HERE
some of you havent noticed. Please ensure you collect your baggage and transfer any outstanding info and chat to the next page .

128347 The Spingler, 5, #1465 of 1466 🔗

Currently on my first weekend away since the start of all this and over the border in England to boot.

Lovely little hotel was in the middle of a large kids birthday party function when I arrived. Kids running round smiling, laughing, towing balloons behind them, running in and out of the building. I’d already checked ahead that the hotel was fine with mask exemptions and true to their word on arrival not a mask in sight on anyone, staff or guests. You honestly wouldn’t have known the world had changed so much.

Makes me angry that come tomorrow kids parties won’t be allowed. How can our politicians stand by and allow this to happen? Our early years are so formative. What sort of people will kids of today turn into having their childhoods mutated so badly?

128390 Sir Patrick Vaccine, #1466 of 1466 🔗

Victoria police go from ‘zero to nuclear’ in latest footage of police overreachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGNffT6JqKM&list=WL&index=45&t=0s

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