2020-09-18

No, you’re not first.

Damned close, though!

I wake up in despair every morning with with the terrible damage being done to our country by the continuing Covid restrictions.

The are so many reputable Doctors and professors who have been talking out about the lockdown, Dr John Lee, . (Dr John Lee is a former professor of pathology and NHS consultant pathologist.) in the Spectator, Professor Karol Sikora, Professor Carl Heneghan, The former scientific advisor at Pfizer, Dr Mike Yeadon
Dr Mike Yeadon: ‘Government are using a Covid-19 test with undeclared false positive rates.’

The former scientific advisor at Pfizer, Dr Mike Yeadon was interview by Julia Hartley Brewer on Talk Radio yesterday – says it all
The interview is online

This does not matter one little bit..People have made their mind up..It’s the Plague, end off!! And anybody that disagrees is a conspiracy theorist, anti masker, covid non believer…I now stopped watching TV as this morning Hankcock was on BBC telling us that second wave is coming in 2 weeks, clear the hospitals, it will be worst than ever. And the presenters just nodded, no questions , no challenge? I sometimes regret even waking up

Hancock and Johnson are guilty of mass murder and should be dealt with accordingly.

They would likely plead ‘Just following orders’. I know that was not accepted as a valid defence at the Nuremberg War Crime Trials, now, as we are one of the ‘Exceptional Regimes’, it would be sufficient to get the cases thrown out, without even the necessity of the perps naming who they took orders from.
Britain now remands people who are not indicted, in Maximum Security hellhouses like Belmarsh, at the behest of the US requesting their extradition, for exposing War Crimes, whilst accepting the brushing under the carpet of US and British War Crimes. Free Julian Assange! The case will continue in it’s 4th (and final?) week at the Old Bailey tomorrow, so if you are a Londoner or within striking distance, join the Demo outside the Old Bailey from 09:00 Monday 28 September.

Interesting how lockdown advocates wake up in despair at getting the virus while lockdown skeptics wake up in despair of the lockdown. Lots of despair going around…

My despair is brought about by the braindead masses who still can’t see that Johnson and Hancock deserve to be swinging from the end of a rope.

It seems to want mass death and doom.. why?

Under normal circumstances governments, when there is a catastrophe looming, do everything they can to avoid mass panic. Here, they have deliberately created panic.

That is because they have a NWO Agenda to push, under cover of the ‘dire emergency’ that has been ‘created’ and then magnified through the tame MSM.

One of those doctors speaking out was handcuffed and arrested yesterday at Trafalgar Square. Will the Medical Establishment come out in his support, or condemn him with their indifference, like the NUJ has with Julian Assange?

20,000 in care homes did not die of Covid-19, but they did die of “Covid-19” to create a scary death toll. Cue the whitewash.

Covid-19: utterly false perception of great danger created by letting some old and ill people die

Or rather, deliberately creating the circs in which they were highly likely to die. Our ‘Leaders’ are soul-sold Sociopaths, paying Lucifer for the power and wealth they have gained in the deal with OUR lives and freedoms. As they say, ‘So mote it be’.

David Aaronovitch is saying about sceptics what I would expect him to say about sceptics. He reflects the views of the British deep state, just like he always has on a rnage of issues, including Iraq and Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Time once was when I would have paid attention to the opinions of this man.

Now he joins the chorus of irrelevant windbags vomiting lies in defence of a broken and failing system.

As with all these commentators, I bet if his income was dependent on a fully functioning economy, he would not be saying this.

It’s the same as all these journalists attacking working from home a few weeks back – how many of them traipse into an office every day?

Exactly. He’s OK -bet he has no mortgage, lives in a lovely house in a nice part of London or in the shires, has savings and investments. If everything collapsed tomorrow, he’ll still be OK so he doesn’t care.

Yes, typical of that type: advocate for the masses that which they do not want for themselves.

He’s no different to the wealthy boomers who still keep on going that we should have lockdown harder and earlier and sundry. They all have the “I’m alright Jack” mentality.

I recognise this type too. They don’t seem to have much imagination to consider what the world might look like when friends, neighbours, relatives, their children are all hugely impacted by this – they lack real empathy whilst telling themselves and others that they care.

Hear hear. I openly identify as a libertarian, which, if you believed the MSM, means I don’t care about anyone else and would leave people to die at the side of the road.

Strange, then, that amongst my family, I am the one shouting out against the excessive damage that will be done to society and those put out of work due to these measures, yet all of my centrist/lefty family members are all lockdown supporters, even when this damage is pointed out to them.

The Left was once a danger to the Establishment, and so was infiltrated and emasculated. Now the real Left is but a pale shadow of former times.
As for Starmer, Trilateral Commission member and enemy of Corbyn should suffice, as well as his support from the media.
The Left has been nobbled.

Agree. They will say “I’m sorry” when you point out how you or others are struggling but that’s just about it. It’s all crocodile tears

Don’t fall into giving sweeping statements about particular age demographics. There are plenty of “boomers” and older who strenuously object to any such lockdown, on the basis that we’re responsible adults who don’t wish to spend the limited time we have left locked up at home. We may be in the more vulnerable category, but we’ll take the risk.

Apologies, the reason why I said “wealthy” boomers is because they’re the ones who I have encountered to be the most rabid lockdownistas and their “concern” for others is only skin deep.

Yep, I’m definitely in that category and agree with you. I’ve been on the last two Demos at Trafalgar Square.

He won’t necessarily be OK, as he is clearly a collaborator and should be dealt with as such.

Yes, he probably picks up a nice little cheque from MI5/6. He has been a dead loss for decades.

Aaronovitch

Yep, he’s a scrote of the first water.

Why expect anything different from a lackey like Aaronovitch?

Hospitals told to clear beds?
Like clear out anyone who dares not to be suffering from almighty covid and send them packing?
Or maybe just clear off the beds that are sitting empty which could use a good change of the sheets?

I have successfuly avoided any MSM over here in Canada of late but sometimes the crap still squeaks through. I turned on my PC just now and some silly Microsoft news update managed to open on the screen and the messiah “Doctorer” Fauci says that the coming vaccine has to be taken by enough people for it to become efficient.

If it doesn’t work surely the blame can be placed on those who never took it. Boy I can’t wait to be a murderer again next year…unmasked and vaccine free?? He must hang!!

Unsanitised, unchecked, untraced, unmasked, untested and unvaccinated.

My goal in life is now reduced to remaining to be all of the above. In so doing I become a complete social outcast. Good.

Lol! Totally agree, although I do like my hands to be clean!

Not every 5 minutes with toxic chemicals though. A couple of times per day with soap and water is more than enough. As I am living in complete isolation, I make a point of not doing so in order to keep my immune system functioning.

The cretins that follow all the Covid Cult rituals do not have long left. They are desperately ill mentally and will become terminally ill physically within a year or so. All of this will be blamed on us of course. I welcome such criticism from the undead. It means I am still human.

A few years ago we came into contact with a canine superbug. Researching how to keep the place clean, e.g. around dog bowls etc, the best strategy was hot soapy water for face and hands. A dash of bleach on door knobs, but not people or dogs. Simple and effective.

Did you write that or did I?

Scary to think you have tapped into my thoughts!

1960’s childhood.
Wash before getting dressed. Wash hands after clearing grate and starting coal fire before breakfast.
Wash hands before leaving for school.

(here be dragons)

Wash hands on return home. Wash hands before Tea and before going down the park with mates.
Wash hands on return home and again before bedtime.

“New Normal” ? I don’t think so.

70’s childhood, never wash hands, ever. Only in the shower. Fifty years later never wash hands, ever, only in the shower. Never had a sickness bug of any kind. The oil on your skin protects you from the bugs that sink into like a fly stuck in amber from a tree. Washing your hands will leave you open to infection by washing away the oil with toxic chemicals that they say protect you and keep you clean. As ever in the upside down world it’s always the opposite of what they say.

Young man [after seeing Churchill leave the bathroom without washing his hands]: At Eton, they taught us to wash our hands after using the toilet.Churchill: At Harrow, they taught us not to piss on our hands.

Must have been the dragons at school kept me safe and is why I haven’t washed my hair with anything but tap water for thirty years (no complaints from the barber).

Yuk.

My mum always made us brush our teeth and wash our hands & face before going to bed, apart from the one or two bath nights a week. I think the main reason was we were usually sticky with eating bread & jam. I still follow these routines though I’m not so likely to be sticky.

Surely you forgot ‘wash hands after going to the loo’? Before the deliberately spread Covid, I was really disgusted the number of times I saw people coming out of toilet cubicles and not washing their hands. Disgusting.

I avoid the gunk at all costs (unless I’m somewhere were there are no toilets or there’s no soap). Soap and water all the way!

Never use sanitiser, it kills the skin’s natural defences. Use mild soap and water as necessary and don’t over do it.

I’m lucky. I’m already a complete social outcast. So no change there.

Thank the gods for social outcasts, but we need a lot more of them.

You will not be alone.

Er … then he can’t be a social outcast

Speaking as one myself, and channelling Marx (Groucho, not Karl), I refuse to join any club that will have me as a member.

No need to clear hospital beds, they are still largely empty. Only emergencies are being treated usually as day patients in my large regional hospital.

A sceptic woman was telling me about the decline in her father’s health following the cancelling of his treatment in March and with no appointment on the horizon.
I told her of newly diagnosed patients going straight to the front of the queue which was perhaps, in retrospect, cruel.

I didn’t think there were that many beds filled that would need clearing again.
The last emptying out of the NHS killed thousands of vulnerable elderly, not to mention all those others with life-threatening illnesses that were untreated because “Covid!!”

Yes it’s just government showboating. It’s time though, for hospital managers and other staff to stand up and tell the government to get off their backs. That is unless they’re now hooked on murdering the old and sick.

Care Home Covid deaths.
Locally we seem to have been spared the worst. About a month into Lockdown an interactive map was published breaking ‘Covid deaths’ down by wards. Most showed one, two or even none.

Four showed ‘spikes’ of five or six Covid deaths which I know took place in three particular Care Homes (out of several dozen in the city). The other spike occurred in a sheltered housing block before Lockdown started.

Residents have also been fortunate in that garden visits have been possible since July and some care homes have made common rooms available as meeting rooms with cramped up cleaning between visits. If ours can do this why can’t others?

o/t. A nanny to two hospital surgeons told me early on that a cousins’ baby died post-natal which was put down as a Covid death but the father in law was ‘someone high in the military’ who made a fuss to have the death redesignated.

Death is now political. Such is the way of things in an authoritarian system. The influence of the state reaches beyond the grave.

They will get their comeuppance ‘beyond the grave’, and will bitterly regret their stupidity and the evil path they chose for power and wealth.

The dirty bas*ards want lots of deaths put down to covid, to keep the fear level up and the draconian measures to ‘save’ (enslave) us coming on thick and fast.

A Survival Guide For Decent Folk pt 2

(Originally blogged by Inspector Gadget about 10 years ago offering an insider’s advice for decent normal folk when dealing with the Police).

Admit Nothing.
To do anything more than lock you up for more than a few hours we need to prove a case
The easiest route to that is your admission. Without it our case might be a lot weaker, maybe not enough to charge you with.
In any case it is worth finding out exactly how damning the evidence against you is before falling on your sword.
So don’t do the honourable and decent thing and admit what you have done.
Don’t even deny it or try to give your side of the story. Just say nothing.

Keep Your Mouth Shut.
Say as little as possible to us. At the custody office a desk Sergeant will ask you some questions. It is safe to answer these. For the rest, say nothing.

Claim Suicidal Thoughts.
A debatable one this. Claiming to be thinking about topping yourself has several benefits. If you can keep it up, it might just bump up any Compensation payable later.

Always always always Have A Solicitor.
Duh. No brainer. Unless you know 100% that your mate the solicitor does criminal law and is good at it ask for the Duty Solicitor.
They do criminal law and are good at it. Then listen to what the Solicitor says and do it. Their job is to get you off without the cops laying glove on you if at all possible. It is what they get paid for. They are free for you. There is no down side.
Now Decent Folk think it makes them look like they have something to hide if they as for a Solicitor. Irrelevant.

Going into an interview without a Solicitor is like taking a walk in Tottenham with a Rolex.
Bad things are very likely to happen to you.

To be concluded pt 3
Actively Complain About Every Officer And Every Thing They Do

This was one of my law school professors (civil procedure, trial practice, a few others)

https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE

Thanks very much for that RyanM.
I had that on an external hard drive that died on me some years ago and was then unable to find it again.

10,000 Federal Crimes and that was 8 years ago.
Busted

That Talk Radio interview with Mike Yeadon is superb.

A to-the-point and concise explainer, and ideal for us to use to help get the message across to non-skeptics in an efficient manner.

Reposting the link for handiness:

https://youtu.be/Ch7wze46md0

Testing is a gravy train. Massive expenditure to frighten people. Last evening I watched the Science and Technology Committee meeting –

https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/52ee1eec-a2bf-403d-a27d-7bba077ebfcc –

What struck me was the emphasis on testing and the responses (except Carl Heneghan) was that we couldn’t have enough of it. They are far too narrowly focussed and although they are probably quite sincere in their aim to do the best for the country, the outcome if their recommendations are followed will be a massive wave of empire building, massive waste and massive disruption of and intrusion into the lives of ordinary people.

99% of the garbage about Sars-Cov-2/Covid-19 that people are being subject to around the world would disappear if the early treatment with with Hydroxychloroquine were not banned by our dysfunctional ‘governments’.

https://www.facebook.com/CraigKellyMP/videos/313190119942539/

Only a tiny proportion might need hydroxychloroquine. Covid-19 is, at a minimum, a 99% scam which is working to further Bill Gates’s depopulation agenda. Whilst those you refer to might just be sincere, those who are directing this fraud are anything but and belong in jail for mass murder. Of course, this includes Johnson and Hancock, but there are many more of similar ilk.

Yes, we both know these things, but mention BG or that the ‘government’ isn’t following the “science” and you are a conspiracy theorist.

I am working on the substance of my original comment with the intention of schooling my MP – and telling him he should vote against renewing the CV Act.

That McHurly article was great. Forwarded to my pastor.

I sent it to the two sane clergymen I know. Our rector would die of fear if it were even suggested he should read it.

Perhaps your Rector needs a kick up the rectum to wake him up.

Very good article. Also worth reading are several on the Blogmire – Rob Slane’s thoughts there reassured me some time ago that I wasn’t losing my theological marbles!

I agree. I am not a Christian but I respect and value people who hold fundamentally good ideas.

I am a Christian, and know that the virus was intentionally weaponised (not to make it more deadly, but to make it spread to humans and be very contagious). There are a number of heavyweight NWO agendas it is set to push forward, including blaming China, and welching on debt as ‘compensation’, leading to increased friction and eventually war, and pushing all manner of domestic and world-wide control measures, including a cashless society, universal vaccinations, ‘track & trace’, with RFID or equivalent (they have the technology to include machine-readable info in the vaccine), the ‘Great Reset’, and arbitrary regulations they can enforce by using a totally unsuitable tool, the PCR test, which was categorically stated by the Nobel Prize-winning inventor Kary Mullis to be unsuitable for diagnostics. That was in relation to HIV/AIDS, but obviously it covers covid as well.
The reason Kary Mullis has not been kicking up a storm about it being used for covid is he (very conveniently for the PTB) ‘contracted’ pneumonia and died in July 2019 (just before the virus was spread, most likely by the US Military contingent to the Wuhan World Military Games two months later).
https://alethonews.com/2020/03/22/wuhan-outbreak-china-demands-an-honest-accounting/ ?

Earlier in the year, Andy Burnham said (to argue for a longer lockdown in the North West) that the peak of the epidemic appeared to be later in the North than London. The North East appears to be verifying that. So, whilst the lockdown did nothing at all in the south, because the peak was passed, it has artificially delayed some infection in the north, thus creating a ‘second wave’. The ‘second wave’ wasn’t planned as such, but it was expected because that’s what lockdown was bound to do. Even the government scientists clearly know that.

If, as previously stated, the purpose of lockdown was to ‘flatten the curve’ and enable the NHS to cope, I think many of us could see some very short term logic to that as a holding strategy while other provisions were put in place. They should have included the ability to cope with all serious illnesses, not just this one. However, the Nightingale hospitals were created and mothballed, presumably because they had no staff, and patients are now apparently being cleared out of mainstream hospitals again to make way for the ‘second wave’. It seems that nothing has been learned.

Whilst few of us would want to move to a health system that wasn’t free at the point of use, there would appear to be a very strong argument for removing any government involvement in the management of the NHS and enabling it to be run by professionals as a totally separate body. That is apparently how it works in Sweden.

Why would you not want to move to a market health system?

‘The Netherlands have had the top spot in Europe for 5 years in a row thanks to their excellent outcomes, prevention, patient information and patient rights and this is a situation which is likely to continue in the long term.’

https://www.stmarkshospital.org.uk/best-ranking-healthcare-systems-in-europe/

‘The co-op is a microcosm of health care in the Netherlands: a complicated machine with many moving parts, providers working in concert to deliver medical care to their patients. The Netherlands leans on private actors — private insurers, independently employed doctors, privately owned nonprofit hospitals — to provide health care. But it also places strict regulations on the health sector to achieve the goals of affordability and access. That balance of market principles and close government regulation has created a health care system that seems to work well for the Dutch.’

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/1/17/21046874/netherlands-universal-health-insurance-private

I think a balance is the right answer. For those with chronic conditions a purely market-led system is unlikely to work, because insurers invariably try to avoid anyone who is likely to cost them money. For example, the insurance we have to back up our mortgage specifically excludes critical cover for my wife because of her PKD.

The health insurance system in Ireland covers pre-existing conditions after a set period (IIRC 5 years of coverage). It is also community rated – you pay the same price regardless of age as long as you took out cover before turning 35.

That could work, but if you shifted to the system you’d need transitional arrangements for all those who were already over 35.

When the age 35 sign up limit was introduced, it was preceded by a long notice period advising people to sign up for insurance before the date of introduction, thereby allowing people to do so.

Take a look at the US ‘Heath System’. Horror stories abound, but a fairly recent case I read of was a woman who got her leg caught between a station platform and a train. She had a bone protruding through her skin, but begged people not to call an ambulance because she could not afford it.
Health insurance is prohibitively expensive and often has all sorts of small print ‘exceptions’.

Basically, we ‘ would you not want to move to a market health system’ because we are not stark raving lunatics, or money-hungry extortionists.
Britain was a world leader with our NHS, built by Socialists after the war. Built for the people, not for profit. The vast majority of Brits want it to stay that way, and those who understand it is being ‘asset stripped’ are furious.
Let those who want a private health system build one up themselves, and not decimate and asset strip our NHS, built up by the people’s taxes since 1948.

London got Covid first because of Heathrow/Gatwick, spreading rapidly because of the underground and general crowding; the Covid, as you say, was already past its worst when lockdown was introduced.
Therefore London is far less likely to have a Second Wave than areas where people were hiding when Covid called.

London has herd immunity. Which, like means testing, is the simple answer to a complicated question, and the left hates that, so cancels anyone who uses the term.

Anyway, regardless of political posturing, conspiracy theories or anything else: once other places have herd immunity too, Covid will fade into the background. Lockdowns only slow the process, as Sweden and Peru – in their diametrically opposite ways – both show.

There’s no such thing as a “second wave” of this. There is only the same graph, again and again and again, as the virus enters a new population. When that new population is in the same nation state as a population previously affected, the nation state’s graph looks like the floundering Blond Fatso’s “camel’s hump” analogy.

This, along with the conflation of “case” with “infection”, seems so glaringly obvious, and is being so uniformly ignored by everyone in power, that I am reluctantly starting to veer towards the conspiracy theory end of the spectrum. I don’t buy all that “Bill Gates is a lizard” stuff. But I do think that government is conspiring to obfuscate things, because it realizes that it’s in so deep, it can’t now admit to having been wrong, or the whole political system will disintegrate before its eyes. As far as I’m concerned, I wish it would and I wish it would.

Incidentally, Lionel Shriver today calls government policy “terrorism” on the basis of the definition that terrorism is “using terror to achieve political ends”. I think this is a very useful use of words, and governments should be loudly denounced as terrorist regimes.

I feel it’s a crime against humanity, though whether it fits into that legal definition I don’t know. Certainly restrictions are disproportionate.

Yes I should have said “Second Wave” and I moved into the ‘it’s not about a virus’ camp a while back
I’ll check that Lionel Shriver quote later.

Herd immunity is being criticized by our right wing government as well as the left. It is so dangerous to have no political opposition in Parliament and I think they helps to explain the growth in belief in conspiracy theories

Yes, people are all too slowly waking up to the reality of the ‘so-called’ ‘conspiracy theories’ which surround and control us.

Don’t be afraid of accepting ‘conspiracy theories’. they are all too real, and all too prevalent. There is a NWO plan to enslave survivors of their wars and artificially concocted famines and pandemics in a One World Government Gulag.
Check out: ‘ 53 Admitted False Flag Attacks’: https://www.globalresearch.ca/53-admitted-false-flag-attacks/5432931

The Nightingale hospitals were lacking patients not staff. Indeed you seem to have swallowed large chunks of the official narrative to come up with your pro lockdown theories. Look after the frail and old, while everybody else gets on with life without senseless restrictions is the only sane approach. Johnson’s corrupt government has done neither of these things.

The solution was to elect Jeremy Corbyn, who would have protected the NHS. As it is, by massive chicanery and dastardly lying smears which the MSM massively magnified, as well as ‘Security Services’, military ‘Fake News’ set-ups, Foreign interference and backstabbing on a massive scale within the ‘Labour Party’, Jeremy was scuppered and the jerk elected, who despite his copious worthless promises continues to continue the destruction of our NHS, which has been going on at least since Tony Bliar.
Don’t expect any effective fight-back from Bliar Mk. 2, the Trilateral Commission member Starmer.
Save Our NHS!
Indeed it should be headed by professionals, but not by professional businessmen, especially Yanks who only want to carve it up and serve it piecemeal to their fellow US corporations.
It should be owned by the country, and ring-fenced against predatory corporations, domestic and foreign.

From the roundup
Daily Mail ‘how Bolton Hospital only has two Covid patients’.

Overwhelmingly sceptic comments on a wide range of subjects.
Favourite ‘worst voted’
“Terrible news we should get back to full lock down and extend my furlough…”
Response ‘lazy erse get back to work’.

Oh!……..Is that the same David Aaronovitch who wrote in 2003: “If nothing is eventually found, I – as a supporter of the war – will never believe another thing that I am told by our government, or that of the US ever again. And, more to the point, neither will anyone else.’

Fool me once……… 

Excellent! I’d forgotten that.

Aaronovitch has apparently written a book called
Voodoo Histories: the role of Conspiracy Theory in Modern History.
His next book ought to be entitled Voodoo Epidemics.

Brilliant

This joins the list of reasons I feel vindicated for cancelling my Times subscription.

Can’t read the DT. any. longer because of paywall ( cancelled my subscription when they started publishing cosy articles about how to make your very own face nappy out of an old sock). Just recently I’ve found that I can’t even access comments below an article any more.
But zI can read the headlines, and this one. would have made my mind boggle if it was still capable of doing so:

Exclusive: Test and Trace system could be outsourced to Amazon, secret plans reveal
Anybody got the details?

Hi Annie. It says that there are plans to put management of the end-to-end supply chain out to tender and companies such as Amazon and DHL are thought to be likely to have the required logistics expertise

Don’t like the idea of making Jeff Bezos any richer – he’s already made even bigger profits than usual from this whole episode..

There’s a difference between someone getting richer because they’re manipulating matters to ensure it and someone who’s getting richer simply because they’re well-placed to benefit from a policy they don’t control. Tax matters aside, I have no problem with Amazon – I’ve been a customer since before most people knew they existed, back when they only sold books and used to send you mugs and jenga sets for Christmas as a thank-you for being a customer.

It’s worse than that, one of the ancillary aims of the Covid scam was to enrich global capitalists like Bezos, at the expense of small businesses and everybody else of course. I wonder how this became a part of Johnson’s agenda. It smells, just like everything else about our highly corrupt government.

why not get Amazon to run the whole country and parliament – couldn’t do a worse job surely

If they were paying tax that ‘might’ be defensible!

They are paying tax.
Remember tax is paid on profit not turnover.

Corporations have ways and means to avoid the vast majority of taxes.
Just as an example, let’s say you run a Corporation and owe £10 million tax for the year. Would you rather pay the £10 million, or give a £500,000 ‘donation’ to the Tory Party? Should be enough to have the tax people kept off investigating your £150,000 tax offer.
I remember years ago reading that in that particular year, BP had paid less tax than the nurses in one large London hospital. Then there are the ‘Tax Havens’.
But you are likely to read far less about them than about ‘benefits cheats’ in the MSM – I wonder why?

Member of the Government aren’t paying tax, just look at the Panana Papers.

Give us Jeremy, the guy the PTB couldn’t stand to such a degree they pulled out all the stops to scupper him.
They cannot stand an honest man, especially if he is a fighter for the workers, justice and anti-war.
They fawn over corrupt, bribable or blackmailable scumbags, and ensure they get ‘elected’.

It sounds as good an idea as everything else that is going on, indeed I understand they have already recruited Inspector Gadget to make sure it works well.

“But I don’t want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked.
“Oh, you can’t help that,” said the Cat: “we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad.”

Here on Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/iuunj6/exclusive_test_and_trace_system_could_be/

Something in the Mail as well, but details are thin, a sidebar in the article below

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8745707/Hospitals-warned-clear-beds-brace-rise-coronavirus-patients-TWO-weeks.html

Maybe they are about to launch another ramped-up (‘mutated’) virus, to keep the scam on the boil. They are perfectly capable of it.

yes i noticed the comments are now turned off for most articles unless you’re a subscriber. It’s a shame as interesting to read people’s comments until they disintegrate into personal abuse then exit quickly! But I guess it’s challenging times for the papers as revenue is probably reduced with less sales and trying to encourage subscriptions.

More like they want to reduce the total number of comments in order to reduce the workload for the 77th brigade..

I haven’t bought ‘newspapers’ for years (or rather, EXTREMELY infrequently), since I woke up to the truth of 9/11. I used to buy the Guardian about 5 times a week, regularly. I realised it had become just a government propaganda rag, like all the rest. Not even good for wrapping up fish and chips, or for use as toilet paper.

Amazon deliver the home-based tests already. Surely one would want people with logistics expertise to do logistics?

The tests are totally unreliable, and the ‘figures’ can be used to show whatever the government wants them to show.
The PCR test is not suitable for diagnostics, period.

They already send out home kits. I had one from them.

On the subject of immunity when I was a kid in the 50s, it was the norm for us to be trotted round to play with any other kid in the village who had measles, german measles, whooping cough, mumps, whatever else was doing the rounds. The idea being of course that we might catch it and build up our own immunity, there being no vaccinations for these things in those days.

I guess today’s parents would have a fit at the idea of doing such a thing but it was obviously a widespread practice. Anyone else remember such a childhood?

I’m a 70’s kid but my son is studying WW2 so we watched a bit of ‘How we used to live 1936-54’ this week (a programme made for schools that I watched in primary school). They are repeatedly talking about closing the school because of some illness or other doing the rounds!
I remember having mumps and measles though- and I survived!

And no added mercury or aluminium adjuvants! No (or virtually no) autism.

Yes indeed, chicken pox parties, a sort of if you cannot beat them join them approach. I have been a bit busy to follow all the reports in detail but I think this is to some extent Prof Sunetra Gupta’s argument, during the summer when we are all fit and well and bristling with vitamin D it would have been a fair idea to let people socialise as much as possible and let SARS-Cov2 burn itself out.
In fact I seem to recall that every year some children die as a result of chicken pox and so for children, chicken pox is probably as, if not more, serious than Covid 19.

On the subject of immunity which Toby writes about in today’s newsletter I wonder about the interaction of testing and immunity? When it was stated that a Hong Kong man had caught Covid for a second time it then transpired that this second infection was a different strain of SARS-Cov2 but that the immunity his body had from the first infection had knocked out this second infection. If that is correct it means that with this second infection, he had picked up the virus, his immune system had knocked it out, so he had no disease but the test still picked up a +ve result.
To me that indicates that if you are carrying some immunity you can pick up this virus, your immune system knocks it out but that can still register as a +ve test result.
Which sort of begs the question as to how many of these thousands of +ve results being reported on the news are actually people who were already immune and had ‘zapped’ the virus but that still came up as a +ve test result?
As with much to do with this hoo-haa we are like a mad dog chasing its tail round and round!

I was a child in the 60s & experienced exactly the same. It seems this was the common sense approach to what were deemed ‘normal’ childhood diseases that everyone expected to get, recovery from, develop immunity & move on. If only the same (un) common sense applied today. In addition I don’t know anyone who ended up in hospital or didn’t make a full recovery. Bizarre reactions to a not very deadly illness that’s only dangerous to the elderly, already seriously ill or extremely unlucky few.

And it worked!

Telegraph YouTube has a survey, click if you agree
1. Another lockdown 35%

2. The government should be testing more people 19%

3. the government is overreacting keep things as they are 14%

4. We should follow Swedens model 14%

5 I agree with the rule of six 9%

25,000 votes.

I must have missed
6. It’s all a load of overblown nonsense, back to normal asap.

I would love to hear someone from the UK explain why they wouldn’t want to have followed Sweden, and wouldn’t prefer how things are in Sweden now to how they are in the UK.

Admission that they have been duped, had, scammed, swindled, conned….

I don’t wish ill on people but if and when this shit show ends I hope everyone in MSM loses their job, livelihood, possessions, sanity, reputation and life.

And everyone in the government too.

And the so called opposition. There is no-one worth voting for

How do we know that Boris was severely ill with Covid? I accept that he had covid, no doubt with unpleasant flu like symptoms, and was hospitalised, and also admitted to ICU. But we dont know that he was severely ill. Being admitted to ICU was precautionary as I understood it (after all he is the prime minister, so why not have him in the most specialised department) – I heard reports at the time that he was in good spirits and chatting with nurses in ICU. Why is there this assumption that he was severely ill?

I have always doubted this, but as they say, never let a crisis go to waste, and how they have milked his so called ‘brush with Covid’, either to justify his response to instill all the restrictions because he knows how bad it is, or worse to excuse him any damaging decisions because he is not himself. Eventually, my bet, will be he will bow out before the proverbial hits the fan, and it will not be deemed cowardly, but that he has never recovered from Covid and is leaving on health grounds.
I actually think he was more likely unwell from nervous exhaustion after Brexit , and certainly did not nearly die as they stated. Leaving hospital five days after nearly dying in ICU, I think not.

I actually think he was more likely unwell from nervous exhaustion after Brexit .
Judging by the way the Brexit talks are going, I think he may be due a relapse.

And doing press ups just a few days later too. I reckon it was down to alcoholism.

I’ve suspected that he isn’t so much tired as hung over.

Remember when he was admitted to ICU and the whole Boris hating mob on twitter flipped and chanted that “he is a father show him respect”. I expect he likely had mild covid and his trip to hospital was either to promote compliance or because it was good for his image.

My partner is a nurse and has worked on ICU, he was always dubious about why BJ was in there and certain an ordinary person wouldn’t have been.

You think that disgusting commie thug Aaronovich would have learnt his lesson after the weapons of mass destruction that started his beloved Iraq War turned out to be a chimera. Of course there have to be trade offs, but we should make them not the government.

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Joy Christopher
18 Sep 2020 6:48AM
I assure you Covid isn’t a problem for those of us who work in the NHS, the Government response to it is. Only yesterday we had an edict telling us to open up and get more patients back in, which is a struggle as they’ve made us reduce bed capacity and those we have are filling up fast mainly with old folk with non-Covid chest infections and the like. . Today though, we are told clear your beds. What do they want us to do,…throw sick people out to make space?

So when there is no spike in people needing hospitalisation for Covid in 2 weeks will they finally admit they’ve got it wrong and put an end to this hysteria? In the meantime We are already struggling to find enough beds in our hospital for all the poor old people who are actually sick now and the idiots in government are making it worse.
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Second Light
18 Sep 2020 6:52AM
I also work in the NHS and agree, in fact I have yet to see or know directly a case of Covid.I only know of radio Cornwall cases.The deaths we will hearvof will bevthose who died from untreated diseases WITH covid.
I have seen untreated disease by the bucket.
Forgot to add that the care homes will need barrier nursing but I bet the staff remain untrained.

Joy Christopher
18 Sep 2020 6:57AM
@Second Light
Agree and btw the 700 bed hospital 5 miles up the road has no Covid patients either . In spite of this no one senior in the NHS seems willing to tell the government the Emperor has no clothes and that we need to stop running around trying to cater for the non existent pandemic and be left to concentrate on treating the genuinely sick .

The country needs many more of these health professionals speaking out. They have been gagged despite repeated promises to protect whistleblowers.

Close beds. Open beds. Close beds. Open beds.Close beds. Open beds.Close beds. Open beds.Close beds. Open beds.Close beds. Open beds.Close beds. Open beds.Close beds. Open beds.Close beds. Open beds.Close beds. Open beds.

These NHS staff should be told that they should break ranks and tell it as they see it. By being silent, they are complicit in the Carthaginian destruction of this country.

These health professionals are telling it as they see it, but they still believe incompetence and stupidity are the real problems. In time they may come to realise that the suffering and deaths caused by government edicts are wholly intentional.

The government is driving our society to a state of collective madness

– We know that COVID is at worst a bit more dangerous than the flu and in any case of minimal risk to people under the age of 65. And yet we are forced to pretend it is the most dangerous threat our country has faced in peacetime.

– We know that masks don’t stop viruses. We all know that touching masks while wearing them, putting them in our pockets, reusing them, all these things make the use of masks a complete farce. And yet we are forced to pretend that if we don’t wear them in shops we are putting the lives of others at risk.

– We know that countries like Spain that have mandated the use of masks in all public settings for several months still have amongst the highest reported infection rates. And yet we are forced to pretend masks contribute to stopping the spread of coronavirus.

– We know lockdowns don’t work (unless they are totally brutal like in Wuhan, and even then we can’t be sure). And yet we are forced to pretend they are a good tool for combating the spread of coronavirus.

– We know that the model produced by Neil Ferguson and his team at Imperial College was completely wrong. We also know he was wildly wrong in previous epidemics. And yet the government continues to rely on his advice and predictions and we are all forced to accept these predictions as reliable.

– We know Sweden’s strategy has turned out very well – better than us on both health and economic outcomes – contrary to the predictions of many. And yet we are forced to pretend that Sweden got it wrong and we are on the right path.

– We know that most of the countries with the highest covid deaths per million also have some of the strictest anti-COVID measures. And yet we are forced to pretend that anti-COVID measures work and when they don’t they are our fault for not following them strictly enough.

– We know the strategy of lockdowns and suppression has destroyed and continues to destroy large parts of the economy. And yet we are forced to pretend that this is worthwhile.

– We know that the NHS has scaled back its service as a result of the coronavirus. And yet we are forced to pretend that this coronavirus is more dangerous and deserves more attention than cancer, or heart disease or a bunch of other conditions that actually do kill millions of people.

– We know that it takes years to produce a safe and effective vaccine. And yet we are forced to pretend that we can now produce one in months.

– We know that many people who test positive aren’t sick at all. And yet we are forced to pretend that they are and that forcing healthy people into long isolations is going to save lives.

– At first the deaths were tracked. When the deaths all but disappeared the cases were tracked. We are forced to pretend that lots of cases – i.e. positive tests – is as big a problem as lots of deaths.

– We know that a big rise in positive tests has not been accompanied by a similar increase in hospitalisations and deaths. And yet we are forced to pretend that a rise in positive tests is going to result in the hospitals being overwhelmed.

– We know that there are more positive tests because there are more tests being carried out. And yet we are forced to pretend that the increase in positive results is indicative of the spread of the virus.

– More than 6 people can gather in a restaurant, a school, an office. And yet we are forced to pretend that limiting meetings in a private home to 6 or less is going to make a difference.

I could go on. The list is almost endless.

The government is treating us as if we were all completely and utterly stupid.

Brilliant summary Stewart,
creating confusion by issuing contradictory and pointless instructions is a fascist way of ensuring compliance by a docile population.

I would only challenge the statement that it a ‘bit more dangerous than the flu’.
As flu affects all age groups, you could say that Covid could be considered less of a threat.

There is no real evidence that Sars-cov-2 coronavirus actually exists. Similarly there is no proof that Covid-19 exists as anything other than rebranded influenza or an influenza type illness, that stalk us every winter. Whether or not Covid-19 really exists, it is clear that we are being scammed in an almighty manner.

It’s been apparent from almost day one of this Covid event, that the stage was being set for the arrival of the Covid-19 vaccines. Behind nearly all the frontrunner vaccines you will find the indelible fingerprints of Bill Gates. Cuddly caring Bill is actually a lifelong eugenicist and longtime advocate of global depopulation. This is Gates’s big moment and he isn’t going to waste it. We will allow ourselves to be vaccinated only at very great risk.

This is accurate. Covid is a fiction- it is no more real than the phony “war on terror.”

Hi Stewart, would you be okay with me using this in a message to my MP asking him to oppose a second lockdown? Probably a waste of time as he strikes me as a bit sycophantic but to give him his due, although a remainer himself, his constituency voted for Brexit and he did support the ERG in opposing Mrs May’s surrender act.

Please do! Hope it helps.

Have customised and sent this to my MP (waste of time) and Sir Graham Brady. Thank you

Likewise customised and sent to my useless Guildford MP, Angela Richardson.
Thanks, Stewart.

Thank you, Stewart. Nailed it!

But when you add all that up and come to the conclusion that therefore there must be a ‘reason’ for all that and even surmise what that reason might be, they will still call you a ‘conspiracy theorist’.

Brilliant summation btw.

It’s that final little step that’s so hard.

Folk admitting Icke has been largely correct for 25+ years has parallels to lockdown zealots admitting they’ve been wrong.

Not a fan of Icke but you are right. In the broader context he has been correct.

Hard not to be a fan of Icke, he has got it right consistently and has warned of planned events like Covid-19 for many years. People find it just too hard to accept the truly evil nature of the ruling cabal and so cognitive dissonance is the fallback position.

Yes quite so as Icke has had it nailed for years. Hopefully more will wake quickly or it will be too late. This is a fight for our very lives, though even on LS, far too few have grasped the full extent of what is going on.

The government is treating us like cattle that are on their way to the slaughterhouse. Johnson and Hancock are clearly working to further Bill Gates’s depopulation agenda. The major depopulation tool will be the several different Bill Gates’s Covid-19 vaccines, that are being readied for use across the globe.

I don’t think anyone has summed up the whole farce better than this, in a single page of text! I’m going to email it to a few friends.

There is no such thing as a “covid death.” That is pure fiction.

BBC R2 News 06.30
“Government is considering new National short term measures to control a surge in Covid cases.
Extra restrictions on hospitality venues to create a ‘Circuit Break’ in the spread of the disease.”

As the owner of a music venue operating as a bar told me yesterday, ‘We are just about ticking over but if there’s another lockdown I’m f*cked’

Way to go johnson

Great, another threat of closure. And just as I was already dreading today with the stupid T&T bollocks coming into effect.

It’s more to do with pub and restaurant closing times at present but with the threat of ‘further measures ‘ if we don’t obey all the new rules (R4 News 11am)

They change the rules too quickly to even give time to judge the effect of the last lot of rules they brought in, and the way the data is recorded/reported makes it impossible to make sense of anyway, so basically the government are going to do what they like regardless of how people behave.

If everyone behaved as “model citizens” (by the government’s standards) and this behaviour actually had a significant measurable effect on “case” numbers, they would still likely be panicked into introducing yet more measures by random fluctuations in the test data.

Short term
Yeah.

I have been commenting on here for five months that the only game in town is the mass killings in care homes

I regularly ask the question, who decided to move potentially infected patients out of hospitasl into care homes? What advice had that person been given?

If the advice was not to transfer patients and they did it anyway, then that warrants a manslaughter investigation

The dictatorship have run many hares in the past months in order to deflect attention away from Operation Shipman

The thirty pieces of silver pocketers (don’t know, don’t care) at the state broadcaster have duly obliged again today

Today the state has decided that the proles must discuss ‘circuit breakers’

I have this image in my mind of Matt Lucas in his role as Marjory Doors the host of Fat Fighters

“Everybody, everybody today we are going to talk about circuit breakers, everyone, circuit breakers, circuit breakers”

A bossy government woman on the 11am news was saying how if the Gov does this then the public will behave like that.
Predicting our behaviour with their models like Pavlovs fucking dog.

I have in mind many people whose circuits I’d like to see permanently broken.

I recommended yesterday that sceptics relocate to Texas, bigger than France, great hats…..

A reply mentioned a ‘defunding police’ policy in Austin Texas.

I did a brief search

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/08/13/austin-city-council-cut-police-budget-defund/

Lively public debate concerning police activities and city council activities, local democracy alive and well, and balanced journalism……..

Accountable police, accountable local politicians, good journalism…….?

Compare and contrast etc etc…….

Or South Dakota: https://www.aier.org/article/south-dakota-americas-sweden/

Coronavirus: Tighter national rules considered by government https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54199642

‘New England-wide measures which could see hospitality businesses forced to shut are being considered by the UK government to try to slow a second surge of coronavirus cases.’

Well that’s it then. Second lockdown all but confirmed. I was aware of rumours circulating of a September/October lockdown and I always thought they were rubbish because I genuinely believed the govt wouldn’t dare try another lockdown, especially one that includes economic restrictions like shutting the hospitality sector, but it appears I was wrong and I retract everything.

We’ve seen graphs, we’ve seen data and evidence. ‘Cases’ are indeed going up but there are now so many scientists who are putting this data into context for us and explaining that a ‘case’ isn’t the same as an infection as well as explaining the PCR cycles which are very high and amplify almost negligible fragments of virus. Deaths are still through the floor. We are getting 4000+ ‘positives’ a day now – when we were getting those levels back in March/April, hundreds of people were dying a day with Covid but daily deaths are still in single figures alongside thousands of ‘cases’ which means that something has changed since March – either ‘cases’ are a much lower proportion of total tests, ‘cases’ are less severe, virus has moved to less vulnerable portion of the population – or a combination of all 3…? Whatever it is we are definitely not in the March situation.

The new lockdown is being dressed up as a ‘circuit breaker’ i.e. a few weeks – now where have we heard that one before? I don’t have very extensive knowledge of restrictions around the world but can anyone here confirm whether any other countries in Europe have gone into a second nationwide lockdown with economic restrictions or is the UK the only basket case…?!

Bella on here was right yesterday – we can’t despair because it’s what they want, they want to browbeat us as part of their relentless war of attrition. Still, what was left of the hospitality sector is utterly finished now. Even if Sunak extends furlough to account for the second lock-up it’s still just more fake money the country doesn’t have and can’t afford. It’s just insane and wilfully destructive. So many people will suffer as a result of this but how many will it take for the public to finally say ‘Enough’?

This is the precautionary principle gone into overdrive. The government will have carried out a very cynical political calculation whereby they have worked out that it less politically costly to implement as many restrictions as possible and then not be blamed for a single Covid death even though many others young and old will die of different things, than it is to take fewer measures and minimise collateral deaths. The average age of a Covid victim is above the average life expectancy. A pandemic so deadly that you have to be very old, very ill, or both for it to kill you – and even then, most vulnerable people survive the damn thing anyway! And I don’t accept emotional blackmail arguments about ‘long Covid’ because a) one can suffer nasty after-effects from other viruses, such as flu and we never made a fuss about those before and b) the effects of ‘long lockdown’ will be FAR worse and more far-reaching.

What are we doing to our society?!

P.S. Probably doesn’t mean anything but I find it interesting that the restaurant banners in the photo at the top of the article read ‘Leave the herd behind’. Subtle nudge message against herd immunity and Swedish strategy? Or am I finally going mad?!

As far as I recall this Covid hoo-haa is unprecedented in that al this current action is being driven by test results and not by death or disease. If it is correct that people with a good immune response who catch and zap the virus can still test +ve, then with all the other testing issues this whole pantomime is like looking for grains of sand on the beach and then panicking when you find one.

The Walrus and the Carpenter
Were walking close at hand;
They wept like anything to see
Such quantities of sand:
If this were only cleared away,’
They said, it would be grand!’

If seven maids with seven mops
Swept it for half a year,
Do you suppose,’ the Walrus said,
That they could get it clear?’
I doubt it,’ said the Carpenter,
And shed a bitter tear.

Great post (as usual) Poppy!

Am I a cynic thinking that this ‘convenient’ next lockdown is designed to kill off Simon Dolan’s case? It will likely have to be digital, and the government’s argument will be that ‘It is obvious that our actions are proportional to the ‘health crisis’, because, duh, we’ve had to lock down the country for a second time’…

I definitely think it’s very convenient that the case has been delayed for an entire MONTH just because one of the ELEVEN govt lawyers has gone ‘on holiday’. I smell BS – this is a very high-profile constitutional case and with these sorts of things dates are set in the diary months beforehand. Eleven lawyers is also quite a lot, not sure why there couldn’t be a stand in. All very convenient.

Convenient isn’t the word I’d choose.

They are illustrating their power, and showing us how powerless we are in this specific arena. Taking the piss.

I am utterly stupified by the news that Simon’s case has been put back because the government now only have 11 lawyers on the case instead of 12. In 40 odd years of litigation practice I never saw such a thing. To quote one Judge, addressing a solicitor in the Central London County Court, “What? Can’t find a barrister? But there are hundreds of barristers in the Temple looking for work!”

Kind of tells you (as if we needed to be told) where the Court’s institutional sympathies lie on this (ie the opposite to where they lay for the Gina Miller case)

I can picture solemn conversations and agreement about how “irresponsible” it is for people to fight the government on this, now, when they are “dealing with a public health emergency” and when it will “undermine vital public compliance”, with unspoken agreement that delay would be the absolutely responsible thing to do.

Personally I don’t think its the precautionary principle gone into overdrive. This is a coup, old politics is dead and all our MPs are complicit – not necessarily wittingly.

This is a deliberate action to destroy our livelihoods to make us all dependant and cement the government of occupations control. There is nothing precautionary it is intended to cause maximum possible damage to peoples health and livelihoods while keeping people sufficiently scared and compliant that they continue to do nothing.

Wretched government woman on Jeremy Vines show just said
“we want yo keep the pubs open but people just aren’t social distancing”

JV ‘so why shut them at 10pm’

“Well we’re trying to get them out before they’re so drunk they’re falling all over each other, what else can we do?”

So there you have it folks that’s what they think of the plebs and I don’t even use pubs these days.

There have been rumors for months about second wave in October. They planned it in advance. They are creating hysteria about cases now and will do more restrictions in October to prove they are preventing the second wave.
My friend GP has been telling me for months that they had been told to expect second wave in October.

Yes indeed, the second coming of Covid-19 was being announced as early as last March. At the same time we were being told even then, that a dodgy Bill Gates vaccine would be the only way to return to a new abnormality. This is a government that is manifestly corrupt and is clearly acting directly against the interests of the UK people. It needs to be sacked and its members be put on trial for treason.

A lawyer employed by the dictatorship goes on holiday and thereby extends the life of the dictatorship

Does this lawyer have a name?

Where have they gone on holiday? Will they have to quarantine on their return?

Future Headlines

Case put back as government lawyer tests positive (x11)

Case put back as government lawyer self isolates due to family member with runny nose (x11)

Case put back as government lawyer steps on cracks in pavement (x11)

We are up to 33months without even trying

Why should the absence of one person be a problem, surely they could still function or have a ‘stand in’. As you have stated, this has now set a precedent for abuse.

They have a team of ELEVEN lawyers on the case apparently

The next thing we’ll be told was that the lawyers were at Doncaster Racecourse last week!

Song suggestion. Captain beaky and his band.

https://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrJO1iVUGRfnEEAARJ3Bwx .;_ylu=Y29sbwMEcG9zAzIEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Nj?p=captain+beaky+and+his+band&fr=yhs-avast-securebrowser&hspart=avast&hsimp=yhs-securebrowser#id=1&vid=eed88b85ad30e16787dd5c8cc42a9248&action=view

That Aaronovich article vindicated my decision to cancel my Times subscription and move to the Spectator.

The situation in care homes is a scandal but that is an ace in the arsenal of the lockdown sceptic. If it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt what many of us have suspected then it will discredit the death figures even more and and prove that lockdown has been a disaster.

Keep hammering away folks!

Indeed – my bf thinks that if there were to be a proper independent re-assessment of the ONS Covid death stats of people who died strictly OF Covid (unlikely but we can all dream) they could go down to the hundreds. I have always been suspicious of the way deaths have been recorded.

That was what made me suspicious from the beginning because if the stats were true then we should have been seeing dead bodies all around and read about cemeteries being held up by queues to bury people. But instead they have never happened. Even as early as April, we had a work man come to fix our blinds and he was suspicious about the number of deaths. As he said “I don’t think the numbers are all true.”

Dr Lee was saying the data was all over the place in The Spectator back at the end of March (26th I think). But you didn’t need to be a doctor in the field to recognise that, even in those far-off days. And the numbers are still garbage.

Exactly. The numbers were always off from the word go and even I a maths dunce was able to see that there was something wrong with the data.

From the horse’s mouth, re: stats in care homes specifically: “ The inclusion of a death in the published figures as being the result of COVID-19 is based on the statement of the care home provider, which may or may not correspond to a medical diagnosis or test result, or be reflected in the death certification. “

https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/statementsandletters/publicationofstatisticsondeathsinvolvingcovid19incarehomesinenglandtransparencystatement

Now bear in mind, as good as a great many of them are, care home staff are not often medically trained, nor are they generally expected to be experts in death certification. Furthermore, their guidance is likely to come from nothing more than a weekly phone call from a GP. Guidance to GPs from NHS England specifically mentions identifying possible covid-19 patients via weekly check-ins “primarily remotely.” The nurse on the KBF video the other day confirms this was her experience.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2020/03/COVID-19-response-primary-care-and-community-health-support-care-home-residents.pdf

How can there be any reasonable doubt?
Unless you are a holocaust denier.

Well you know what the lockdownistas and mask zombies will be like.

I have maintained from day one that this situation is being maintained in order to force through COMPULSORY vaccination and its astronomical bonanza for Big Pharma and Pharma’s political and scientific minions (Hancock, Whitty, Ferguson et. al.)

That is stomach-turning enough.

However, not only is any rushed vaccine likely to be highly dangerous (and would you want a eugenicist psychopath, Bill Gates, to oversee any vaccination programme for YOUR children and grandchildren?):

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eh_bR0PXgAAhJt5?format=jpg&name=small

– but compulsory vaccination is also the technical mechanism for absolute, totalitarian control of earth’s citizens by the globalist elite. Ultimately, THIS is what we’re up against:

https://steemit.com/covid/@munkle/permanent-injectable-biochip-covid-sensors-near-fda-approval

Just read the article on the biochip, was looking forward to my weekly breakfast treat of bacon, but now have lost my appetite.
On the matter of the workers in China, I assume Apple, is as per the company, my goodness those poor people, and yet all the woke crowd can rant on about is injustices from centuries ago while using their Apple devices.

A bacon sarnie cures all ills, Nsklent – go for it !

Agree Gracie – even many on LS denounced this view but now it becomes more evident to many people

Vaccines and health passport that can be controlled by government and other parties. Be scared

Will send the biochip article to my MP.
There is no explanation for 95% of world government’s current lunacy.
All MPs should be made aware of this possibility.

Really disappointed by this stance above:
“Thus getting a test ahead of visiting shielding parents and grandparents is exactly when most people should be getting tested, rather than all the time”

No no no no no no no. I thought LS understood that the whole reason we are in this fucking current mess is that we keep testing people who aren’t ill. There is no Good evidence that asymptomatic people spread disease. We absolutely need to stop this charade of testing well people. They need to be told to avoid care homes unless 100% well and take care to be strict with hygiene.
Come on Toby and team, you’re better than this. Yes the government are being imbeciles but 230,000 – 280,000 tests per day is actually plenty if we screened those who wanted a test properly.

Isn’t it the inappropriate (dishonest?) interpretation of that testing which is the problem?

I’ve had a random test offer come through the post, and am ignoring it. Much as I hate this shit show, however, if someone asked me to take an instant-result test before entering, say, a care home, I’d struggle to find reasons to refuse.

I may be wrong, but I thought an infected person could spread covid in the days before their full symptoms came out – i.e. before they knew they had it?

The bigger studies have shown they can (but rare 1 in 415 in one study, 1 in 350 in another) but both of these people spread it to someone in their own household with extremely close contact like sharing a bed.
Even pre covid, we were advised not to get into beds at care homes…

Ok, I didn’t realise it was that small – I thought a person was infectious in the five days after they became infected – that is in the days leading up to their developing symptoms.

I’m genuinely interested in the question as to whether it would have been possible to protect our care homes better. As a society we surely have a duty to protect the vulnerable, especially the vulnerable who can’t make their own choices.

It’s a difficult balance of course – care home residents suffer greatly if they don’t get visits. I hope, but doubt, that one legacy of covid is that we can better a better understanding of this.

In short, is it possible to prevent a serious respiratory virus active in the wider population from getting into care homes? I have an open mind on this.

Don’t ignore it, test a papaya !

I was thinking of trying to catch a bat, but I understand it’s illegal.

Is the return address Ipsos MORI? I’ve got my second request today. Of course, I shredded the first one. This one will meet the same fate, along with the offer of a free flu jab from the NHS that I got yesterday.

Letterhead logos along the top are: Department of Health & Social Care; Imperial College London; Ipsos MORI; NHS.

Title: Take part in the Largest COCID-19 testing research study in England.

(As if you’ve won the lottery or something)

Yes don’t test BUT apparently you can’t visit your relative in a care home unless you have a negative test.

All testing should be stopped immediately as it is worthless. Imagine if we had to test for flu (as you know more people die from flu than from Covid)

Testing as a prerequisite for visiting someone in a care home is a form of blackmail as regards the covipass..

This is my thoughts… the argument ‘oh you need a test, you might be a carrier’. Well – as you say, that could easily apply to Flu; could the same argument possibly apply to: diphtheria? tuberculosis? bronchitis?

Van Morrison has written three new songs protesting against the lockdown and social distancing measures:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54194498

We need more like him to speak out.

Ah that’s it all sorted out now then

Fantastic! So sick of seeing public figures who turn out to be dupes and bedwetters.

Exactly. You can bet that a few months’ and years down the line those slebs who were bedwetters and dupes will try to delete their posts and tweets on social media defending the lockdown and advocating muzzling.

We should never let them forget their complicity in the destruction of our economy and society.

Except that BBC article is a bit ‘look how silly he is with his crazy ideas’

Thanks this is great. Another sceptic. I can’t wait to download his songs

I’m not a huge fan of Van the Man but Astral Weeks is a classic album. Anyway he’s now gone up in my estimation. Van, Noel Gallagher, Ian Brown – the numbers are picking up. It’s a fair bet that we could posthumously add Mark E Smith.

Rumour always had it that, though a wonderful singer, VM is something of a m*serable g*t. In this situation I reckon that’s a distinct advantage! Boris and his N*zi sidekick have certainly helped send me into a state of advanced m*serable g*tness, but have singularly failed to improve my voice. B*st*rds!

This video by a young American medic is excellent and well worth sharing.

There is still the occasional doctor who abides by the Hippocratic Oath, even if the majority have now degenerated into servile, unthinking, obedient pushers for the Drug Lords and their patented pseudoscience pills.

https://youtu.be/T540vEvq4IQ

Thanks Gracie – this is an Excellent, measured, articulate interview.
I wondered if he was putting his medical career at risk, so I Googled further and found him at
https://www.andrswellnessconsulting.com/about-us
How long before Youtube take down the video, though?

Hancock just said on Sky News:

“the number of people in hospital with COVID is doubling every eight days” in the UK.”

How is he getting away with these lies when if we look at the Govs own web page for hospitalisation it show that this isn’t true?

He also said yesterday that the number on ventilators was increasing. More lies and scaremongering I suspect…

But not even questioned on these claims. Yet look at the grilling anyone who is sceptical about the governments approach gets, it’s always where’s your evidence, but the same isn’t applied to anyone who is pro-lockdown.

And if you look at the case statistics on the government site it seems to show the recent glitch is on the decline. OK, there is a huge lag in testing but the ‘date of sample’ curve has dropped significantly from the peak a week or so ago.

It’s just lies, lies, and more lies!

Why are people on ventilators. I thought they’d already found that they were causing more harm (death) than good (recovery). Is that not so?

He will squirm and say something like ‘I meant new hospitalisations are doubling’ if he gets found out.

Looking on the NHS England Covid stats site, 18 people died with covid on the death certificate on 15th Sept.

Hunt said that yesterday before going on about public crisis of confidence because not able to get tested.
Tossers.

Twat Handy-Cock also said that we need to all wear face nappies because shop workers were 70% more likely to die of covids than other workers. This was based on ONLY 7 deaths of shop workers. from January up until face nappy day. The evil lying mofo.

As he ever been in a shop?

So how come most shop workers do not wear a face covering themselves?
Or are “advised” by the government?
That was another plucked out of the air number.

Julia HB will be interviewing Hancock in the next hour on Talk Radio.

She’s a glutton for punishment.

Can someone tweet her the blatant lie above so she has the opportunity to question it?

Her questions will be vetted before the interview. It will be softball.

She’s given him a harder time than others have in the past.

Agreed. She’s seen the light (finally) and calls out ministers BS.

She was brilliant with the Health Minister yesterday – part of the interview is on Simon Dolan’s Twitter if you missed it!

“Aaronovitch starts by agreeing with Lord Sumption that herd immunity either through a vaccine or infection is the only real endgame. ”

Maybe that is already the problem and false.
Profs Gatti and Montanari state that herd immunity is NOT a verified medical concept, but a epidimiological computer model fantasy.
By accepting it as a given unquestionen, we are opening the door to the likely useless, definetely for Coronaviruses unsuited and potentially dangerous solution of mass vaccination, and the lockdown/NPI restriction routes towards it.
And they said so 10 years ago already.

The concept of herd immunity predates microcomputers never mind computer modelling. If it didn’t exist then those who decline polio vaccination for example would have succumbed and the virus would still be endemic.

If herd immunity is a mirage, so then is vaccination, since it aims to create this mythical beast.

Sweden have a degree of immunity now

I’m interested in the immunity question. A little anecdote from here in Sweden:

I have a friend – male, tall (supposedly a risk factor!) and 73 years old. In the spring he had Covid symptoms but never got tested as the illness was nothing he could not handle at home. When antibody tests were made available he got tested and apparently has had the virus. His wife however, with whom he obviously lives (in a small flat), tested negative for antibodies, and I am curious as to why? Was she just naturally immune?

Surely if previous exposure to a virus offers future immunity, and the virus requires a level of susceptible population in order to sustain itself, eventually a point is reached where the virus goes into decline, to very low levels – i.e. herd immunity.

Herd immunity, in my understanding, is a statistical property whereby enough members of the herd are immune such that the illness doesn’t spread significantly during normal levels of interaction among the herd. The words “enough”, “significantly” and “normal” indicate that it’s not a simple on/off property, but it’s a legitimate concept.

Herd

My overview of the situation is that cases in London are low because it is close to achieving herd immunity.

Lockdowns elsewhere only delay this and make things worse because achieving it in the middle of winter will hit people harder.

The best thing the government could do to save lives would be to scrap all lockdown restrictions immediately.

Note I am saying this purely and simply to save lives. Delaying herd is futile and could actully cost lives. An ill person in the autumn might recover. A more seriously ill person weakened by seasonal conditions might not.

The best thing this government could do is resign en-masse. To think I voted for this absolute shower, to my eternal shame!

The “And Finally…” part sums up my thinking entirely, lock down every area but claims its not national.

This has to stop! Enough is enough.

The best thing this government could do is resign commit seppuku en-masse.

I can’t threaten my MP with the withdrawal of my support because he’s Labour (no offence to Labour readers).

Imagine if they’d spent a fraction of the money they’ve spent on Test, Track and Trash Economy (sorry test, track, trace) on increasing sick pay allowance for employees and employers meaning those with symptoms could simply stay off work for a week without all the world beating ‘dog chasing it’s tail’ palaver.

Test, track, trash.

Could the concept of pre existing immunity would explain why children are not seriously affected and also why some people’s immune system goes into overdrive?

Yesterday got me thinking as to why children are seemingly immune to Covid and the only answer I could think of is they inherited any immunity from their mothers, ergo natural immunity is more prevalent than we realised and it really is the elderly and the sick who are at risk. Boris and Co. should swing for this!

I read that it was the cell receptors for the virus – children haven’t developed them fully yet. Only still a hypothesis I guess.

When all this started, as soon as it became apparent it didn’t bother children much I was pretty relaxed. In fact, I half want my two to come into contact with it, so that when in a few decades'(?) time a new coronavirus emerges they will likely have some part immunity to it.

The concept of pre-existing immunity has been greatly underestimated – Ferguson’s model made no allowance for it, and assumed 100% susceptibility.

Back in March a GP friend of mine said that this was a new virus to which no one had any immunity. I didn’t want to argue with him (having an engineering rather than medical background), but I didn’t believe that even then, especially as by then it was already clear that China wasn’t going to be obliterated. There isn’t much that’s genuinely new under the sun.

I take it, from previous posts, you are a doctor. Do other doctors feel the same as you, in your experience?

“An enemy hath done this” – links in the Round Up section is a really good read for anyone but particularly for Christians.

May we bring forth good fruit and seed!

“Covid has always been uniquely unsuited to a vaccine solution:”

Yep.
If one wanted to design a pathogen and disease unsuites to it, one would come up with SARS COV2 and Covid19:
The 4 criterias for a good vaccine are and have been since smallpox:
1.Severe disease for all/the specific patient group in question
2.No mutation of the pathogen
3.long lasting immunity through the vaccination
4.pathogen exists in humans only, if it’s in animals too, it can’t be eradicated by a vaccine.

Other than the flawed, and possibly if not likely bogus, concept of herd immunity, there is simply no reason to get healthy people under the age of 70 vaccinated against Covid19.
As such this will be a crime if mandated.

Just watching Naga Munchies on BBC interviewing leader of South Ribble Council – both trying to outdo each other in bedwetting .

Very telling question from Naga

“What has caused this increase … this scary increase in cases ..?” The first time she forgot to include “scary” and then quickly corrected herself.

You dont think they have been told to emphasise the scariness do you???

Also they keep repeating the “doubling every 7 days”

Also then a piece on beach cleaning… Today is national beach clean day.
Comment from a cleaner .. Usual plastics etc… Also lots of PPE !!!!

hospitals told to find extra beds for coronavirus patients within two weeks
Two weeks?

Another failed model??????????????????

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-19-hospitals-councils-extra-beds-care-homes-isolation-latest-b473956.html

They just want to kill off all the old people. Send them sick back into care homes where GPs will refuse to see them. Again.

They obviously don’t think enough elderly have been killed off. We have psychopaths in charge. I don’t know why people think those who govern are sane honest people when the opposite is usually true, however I’m staying clear of the NHS, Covid testing and any track and trace gestapo.

Anybody who comes to my door waving a swab will get told where to go.

Given the dictatorships current track record

Does this lawyer actually exist?

If yes, when did they book their leave? and did they go on holiday?

Time to take the gloves off and demand to know

Time for an FOI!

Methinks it is a ruse, and that the next lockdown is designed to kill off Simon Dolan’s case… the argument being that the country has ‘had to’ go into another lockdown, so it cannot be argued that their actions were not proportional to the threat to public health..

Anyone see the footage of all theses people complaining at Testing Centers that they can’t get tests and that some had had to drive 2 hours to be told to go home? Not one of them looked ill, compare this to if you have a cold, you’d be coughing, runny nose, puffy eyes, husky throat when talking, no energy, yet all these people are look like there off out on a day trip, full family in the car, loads of time to get out and talk to the press. These people are not ill, it is just a massive farce!

They are not ill, just full of shit

They were mainly families so I assume that a lot of them will be where the child has maybe coughed at school and been told they can’t return until they get a negative test, but as part of the T&T the whole family has to be tested to. What an absolute waste of time, money, and resources!

Yes, this is the most likely explanation.. A lot of people do not now have the ‘spare’ money to drive 2 hours for a test, so will only make the journey if they *have* to have it done for work or school..

Not so sure on that. Public sector has been fully paid throughout this 30% of the workforce.

Yes, public sector workers will be ok. I was thinking more of mums whose kids have been told they can’t return to school without having been tested..

A lot of single parents and families don’t have cars, so how do they get tested. Not like they can hop on a bus or get a taxi to the test center.

Good point!

Not quite. Be fair – they have been *filled* with shit from the shit-show that is government.

They are not ill just bonkers.

Job creation scheme for resting thesps

Postcard from Birmingham

Out for the 4th time this week last night – naughty us! Into Birmingham from our Sutton Coldfield home (both locked down due on orders from the local Gauleiters) to meet with a couple of friends from the Free State of Dudley.

We drove in around 4pm – avoiding masking up on the bus – and were surprised to see traffic queues both ways on the Expressway. We suspect this is cross city traffic displaced from the train services which seem to still be running limited timetables.

After parking we strolled up Colmore Row which for those who don’t know is the main commercial and business district of the city. There were people about but I’d say well down on what you’d expect to see around going home time.

We met our friends in a bar we like that’s been open under a year – another converted bank. This would normally be buzzing, standing room only at this time. Last night we were one of 3 groups scattered around the cavernous interior.

A swift couple of drinks as our friends were relying on trains back and the last one was at 7:20pm. So round the corner through now pretty deserted streets to Franco Manca on Bennets Hill. Had to go through their T&T rigmarole. I objected to this at first
but now I just suck it up. Seems pointless to protest at the staff – who are only implementing orders – when their jobs are under threat and they’re on lousy money to start with.

Franco Manca is on of our favourite destinations for group meals – usually between 10 and 16 of us every 6 weeks or so. So it was really sad to see yet another deserted venue. In the 90 minutes we were there there were 3 other tables occupied in a place that can would normally handle 120 covers. It’s really difficult to see how establishments like these can continue to operate with these numbers yet here we go again with more and more calls for another hospitality-focussed lockdown.

One plus point during our was the realisation our 1 friend, who had been fairly zealous during lockdown, was now pretty sceptical. Having been back at work a few weeks and back out in pubs and restaurants regularly he is certainly very anti any of the new measures being considered.

Back out into the wasteland around 7pm past empty bars and restaurants – no pre-theatre or gig crowds around now, into the car and back home in front of the telly by 8pm.

So we’ve mainly been out and about locally since Freedom Day a couple of months back. During August it certainly felt like a sense of normality was creeping back. The pub quizzes we do had got back to full numbers and the restaurants we wanted to eat in all required bookings.

This last week has seen a definite fall-off. You can sense a dip in morale and it’s started to feel again like mid-March as people retreated to their homes in anticipation of what was to come.

I had felt pretty positive but now I’m beginning to feel ground down again by the relentless march of the Covid cowed.

Just ignore the stupid laws I will meet people where and when I want.

Local reports like this are interesting – and they emphasize that we are not alone in our perceptions and feelings, as well as giving a picture of what is happening.

Undoubtedly you are right about this being a second wave of the psy-op. But too many are still falling for it, aided by idiots like Aaronovitch.

Great comments section on this site in addition to the obvious: great articles.

Welcome, if you are new here

More things to worry about this morning:
https://www.bracknellnews.co.uk/news/18727828.coroanvirus-testing-boris-johnson-announces-new-lab-built-bracknell/

This is our local urgent care centre which offers other services and is where I had my prostate cancer radiotherapy a few years ago. Walking distance, far too close for comfort. I would assume they would have to close the urgent care centre and everything else if this goes ahead. I am not clapping my hands for this.

I note today’s theme tune, “Everything I want to do is Illegal,” is also the title of an (excellent) book by the robustly sceptic farmer Joel Salatin.

So, the new testing centers will be called “Lighthouse testing centres”, and then we had the “Nightingale Hospitals”. Just thinking of what Johnson and Hancock’s legacies will be and what they will have named after them? The only thing I can think of at the mo is “Oh, I’ve just trod in a Boris” or “I need to pick up that Hancock the dog just did”.

I suspect that Florence Nightingale is spinning in her grave …

She certainly knew how to read a graph.

So there you have it in the BBC. The dreaded word “considered”, read “confirmed for next 9pm twitter diktat”. But they did warn us back in August that “We’ll shut the pubs to keep the schools open”.

Exactly – everything ‘considered’ now becomes law about 12 hours later… Although possibly Hancock ‘might’ now mention it in Parliament to avoid being summoned to answer an Urgent Question by the Speaker…

I have just listened to possibly one of the saddest messages I have ever received.

On Tuesday we gave some scones to the son of one of our regulars. She left a message to say thank you which I have only just had the chance to listen to. Her voice was frailer than usual and she said she hoped she would be able to come to the shop again if she sees her friends again (who she used to meet here once a week). The killer for me was “It’s nice not to have been forgotten”

Lovely story, although poignant of course.

I hope it puts the Facebook spat you had earlier this week into its proper perspective, and shows why you are right.

A dictator at the centre of power who dictates what the final solution will be

In the regions Gauleiters have a free hand to implement the will of the dictator using whatever means they see fit

Nothing new under the sun

So according to BBC and Sky news apps we’re heading for ‘new national restrictions’ just don’t call it a lockdown. What and when who knows; why must everything be leaked to the press days before its even decided let alone announced, now everyone can spend the weekend anxious about what new limits they intend to impose on us all. FFS!

To test the waters I suppose.

They’ll do it anyway.

Of course, they put these things out as “considered” and if there’s no big pushback, it’s on.

According to one headline it will be in two weeks – where have we heard that figure before?!

“Two weeks behind Italy”- remember that? It’ll be probably updated to Spain now.

It’ll be two weeks, then another two, then another four, then it’ll be winter so have to keep the restrictions on.

What type of hat are they going to squash this time? Two weeks = whole winter.

Isn’t it a camel hump or something, according to BJ?

To heap more psychological stress on the population..

Standard mind-control procedure, imho.

Unfortunately it’s already decided. The days / weeks that follow involve confirmation bias and preparation.

Everything from June indicated this would happen and as such that’s the direction of travel. Those that were left and could afford to feed their families were clearly too many.

As soon as the government realised, in April, that the virus is nothing like as dangerous as the Chinese, their WHO stooges and the idiot Ferguson had them believe, which precipitated the catastrophic decision to clear the decks into the care homes, the government has been intent on creating a fait accompli whereby they could claim credit for “beating” the virus. If we weren’t testing people, abusing a test which is completely unfit for purpose anyway, no one would even be aware that covid, any longer, exists.

Does anyone know any more about why Israel has imposed another lockdown? They were making a big deal about it on the radio this morning.

I have heard suggestions that it may be cover for a war with Iran. I have also heard that some rabbis are saying it is cover for the prime minister meeting with the Messiah. If the latter then bear in mind that from a Christian perspective, the messiah – Jesus Christ – is NOT going to return by way of a meeting behind closed doors with dubious politicians. However, according to Scripture, a false messiah will appear just before the real one.

Yes, I do.
Lockdown in Israel is for 2 weeks starting today to stop people socialising. They have the Jewish New Year from today for 3 days and soon after 2 other Jewish celebrations.
The lockdown is very strict. Everything is closed except shops and pharmacies and people are not allowed to visit other people.

Matt Hancock just interviewed on talkradio. Apparently they know the exact false pos rate for PCR tests. Its under one but he somehow doesn’t know the exact figure.

Strange that there’s one figure considering all of the different kits, platforms that are likely being used.

… and the number of cycles, seems pretty key.

He’s probably waiting for his handlers to come up with a plausible figure that ‘admits’ that there is a false positive rate, but underestimates it, in order that they can keep using the same number of cycles without being further hassled by the MSM about it..

Its probably 0.99%. Sounds better to say ‘under one’.

The false positive rate will depend on the cycle count – the higher the cycle count the higher the false positive rate. False positives are also a separate entity to PCR tests picking up dead viral cells. There are voices now saying that most, if not all positive test results in the pillar two data could be one of those two.

He’s an idiot out of his depth. I wouldn’t employ him to run a whelk stall.

Oh he’s not an idiot. It takes brains and guts to carry on being this wrong without giving in to the truth.

Depends how you define ‘idiot’, maybe … Yes, he’s clearly incompetent at doing things, but he has had the benefit of a decent education (although he doesn’t seemed to have learned how to apply that).The question for me is what’s making him behave in this idiotic manner? Is he mad or bad or both …

Nicole Junkermann..

Hancock reveals in the Brewer interview today that he doesn’t understand the stats on False Positives; he thinks they refer to a percentage of the Total Positives, not the Total Tested. So instead of 3000 +ve tests being mostly FPs, as according to Carl Heneghan, Hancock thinks that 1% means 30, i.e. very very small.

After all this time and all that’s been said, he still doesn’t get it!

Lying his way out of trouble.

Does the false positive test include the detection of viral RNA fragments from people who have had and recovered from the virus

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200504/Dead-virus-fragments-are-causing-COVID-19-reinfection-false-positives.aspx

No. Medically speaking, a false positive is where a test returns a positive without any RNA. The fragments are a separate (but equally problematic) issue.

He knows what it is he just hasn’t worked out what he can get away with saying yet that won’t undermine his plans.

Exactly!

This is pretty basic maths. Hancock should have said that the false positive rate is all the positives – the real positives. Ummmmmm, what might that be? Oh, they don’t know the real number either.

Odd how he doesn’t know those figures, but then says that COVID hospitalisations are doubling every 8 day which they aren’t. Not pushed for further questions on either topic.

Is that under 1% or under 1 (which could be 99.9999999999999999999999%)?

I had turned off the news and was listening to Leonard Cohen to cheer myself up but my wife tells me that on the news they are reporting a dramatic rise in Covid 19 hospital cases. As far as I am aware the only data available is;
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare
Is there any other data? or is this the media making something out of nothing?

Remember we are a nation of over 70 million these are tiny numberd

Surge! Spike! Skyrocket! SCARY!

Did you hear Ann-Marie Trevelyan being interviewed on Talk Radio? It was excruciating hearing her talking about the virus as being nice and liking to share itself around – I had to turn it off! Expect Julia H-B will put up the interview on her Twitter feed in due course..

Yes that was bad very bad. She matches Hitch’s general description of mp’s to perfection. Dim, slumbering and gullible. Or thick, lazy sheep.

65 million of whom won’t come out from behind the sofa

Re Leonard Cohen to cheer yourself up, the BBC4 9am news did include a fair report about Van Morrison releasing 3 anti lockdown tracks and managed to say he

‘claims that government is using fake science to exaggerate the effects of Covid’

without a surprised sneer.

Don’t listen to the radio. It is all propaganda – the link is correct

Looking at the two graphs I think we can also infer that most people aren’t spending very long in hospital in that the number of people in hospital is increasing by significantly less than the number being admitted each day. Does this mean they are counting outpatients? Yet another way to skew the numbers.

More evidence than in March. More treatments than in March. More community immunity than in March. More understanding of the damage of lockdowns than March. More awareness than in March. More controls than in March.

= lockdown 2.

Duck sake.

EPISODE 6 HAS JUST GONE LIVE!

Coronavirus Jazz Music!

CV RAP MUSIC!

NORF FC LOCKDOWN

Flu season 2018 comparison

NHS emptying beds AGAIN?!?! Aren’t they empty already?

CHECK IT OUT BELOW

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I actually went pretty F’ing mental in this one….sorry!

Just so peeved about today’s headlines….

This is the latest video from JP Sears and it’s one of the funniest: The Pandemic Hotline

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uese-6Xln7o

Yes, his best and savage at the end. Dirty looks from my upstairs business neighbour at our hysterics (Business ‘Improvement’ District bods).

“You need to lose weight, you sound fat..” Brilliant.

It’s about time hancock

Wancoc, after once again telling us that The Cavalry, by which he meant the vaccine, is on the horizon lies when he said
“don’t believe the stories you hear about people being sent hundreds of miles to get tested, tests are available in every area…”

So the two unrelated individuals who told me last week that they had been directed to South Wales are liars are they ?

The Leader of Rhondda Cynon Taf council – Andrew Morgan – stated two days ago that 300 people from England had been tested locally.

Radio 4 again? In the same interview he effectively admitted that the strategy was to keep the virus suppressed until a vaccine emerges. The interviewer seemed surprised to get this rise out of him.

So at least we now have a government policy statement identifying an end point. Which means they are happy to keep this garbage going for months, if not years.

Economic collapse will intervene long before then. And the sooner it does, the less the overall damage will be.

It’s crazy! Sweden are also ‘in it for the long haul’, but the recommendations are far less draconian – indeed, in 2 weeks’ time gatherings of over 500 will be allowed..

I suspect a degree of ‘telemedicine’ will continue here, and working from home, using zoom conferences where possible etc, but look at the ‘shopping in Sweden’ video that Toby posted a day or so ago and you will see that much of life is as normal. We obediently stand on the spaced lines at tills, but also go to cafes, and I see that many people ignore the hand sanitiser at the entrance to supermarkets (which is not ‘policed’ in any case!)…

Agree TJN – it starts in mid-late October, in my view. Vaccine will not happen either as I think it is only a matter of time there is another pause in the Oxford vaccine trial and the Moderna vaccine will not get a quick pass with the FDA.

I will hold you to the Ides of October! Four weeks to go.

Of course, October is the traditional month for economic crashes.

Also on R4 this morning, just before the Hancock interview, Laura K was explaining how Rishi Sunak had presented Johnson et al with some dire financial predictions. Indeed.

I think they are going to be cavalier with the virus development.

So one of the patients developed a very serious reaction, which was there is a realistic chance is linked to the vaccination. But a week later it’s all ok again. How can something like that be resolved in only a week??

Yep, if she’d had the placebo then fine, move on. But she’d had the proper jab. I don’t know what an acceptable level of complications in a trial like this looks like, but surely that she developed that rare condition two weeks after her second jab should start alarm bells ringing very loudly.

Yet in the Mail article you drew attention to yesterday, it is clear that Fauci had already made his mind up, and intends that the development go ahead whatever.

End of my little girl’s first fortnight at school. Headmaster’s instructions that all parents dropping off children are to wear muzzles. I’m the only parent who doesn’t.

Today, as she was going in, she seemed a bit reluctant – the first time this has happened. She looked back at me for reassurance. And saw my face . And then when in ok.

In that little instant an awful lot came home to me.

Fuck Johnson, Hancock, Fergusson, Whitty, the WHO, the whole damned lot of them.

Good for you. You are exempt from wearing a mask

Everyone’s exempt! Risk of harm defence.

It is now long past time to start getting angry. There is a brutal war being waged on the public by the traitorous UK governments.

Who’d want to fuck ’em, the loathsome swine?
God damn them.
That is optative, not expletive.

F’em has lots of connotations …

I must confess, I had to look up optative, and the grammatical sense of expletive. I’ve learnt something today!

It’s about time Hancock, whitty etc were asked some proper questions.
Mine would be what happens when we come out of the 2nd lockdown?
It’s obvious the first didnt work you cant defeat s virus.
Hancock will we then have a 3rd lockdown 4th?
Please explain the governments long term stratergy ?
If we carry on like this the country will be destroyed.
Love to hear his reply!

Is it possible to send questions to Julia H-B and/or other sceptic journalists and request that they ask them?

Good idea I will do it sometime today

You could also point her in the direction of this guy: https://twitter.com/jhnhellstrom whose Twitter feed has lots of good stats re Sweden.

I’d like to know how many cycles they are using in the PCR tests here in Sweden – not been able to find out…

How does one get in contact with Julia?

Burley’s in studio side kick now with journalist paper note pad has just said they’ve learned in past 20 mins the Chief Science Advisor and A N Other have been in to see Boris to advise a second lockdown is a bright idea given what they are seeing across the country.

The release completely unspoken. Two meeks mentioned so that means 4 months given what we experienced after 3 weeks to flatten curve.

Vallance and Whitty?

On the Today programme this morning Matt Hancock actually did spell out the policy: ‘to suppress the virus while keeping schools open and allowing people to go to work until the arrival of the cavalry over the hill [this is the metaphor he used, verbatim] in the form of the vaccine.’

To allow people to go to work unless they work in one of the businesses which are forced to close (possibly permanently) because of the lockdown.

I’ve asked them plenty in e-mails and letters but no reply from any of them.

Re post from last night. WHO information which may be useful to parents. The documrnt says WHO expects parents to physically keep children away from vaccination days, if parents don’t do this a childs presence is taken by WHO as consent to vaccinate.

The World Health Organization now considers your child’s presence in school informed consent to vaccinate that child.

The WHO has labeled it ‘implied consent’

Link to WHO pdf
https://www.who.int/immunization/programmes_systems/policies_strategies/consent_note_en.pdf

Thanks Basics for posting this – a useful (and chilling) document.

The young american doctor linked to below offers the most inspirational arguments against this I have put up the link again as stuff disappears down the comments quickly. Maybe we need to find some way of pinning particularly good links.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T540vEvq4IQ&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=AlexandraSasha

That’s very important. The woman the other day, who said the NHS had turned up at her daughter’s school and vaccinated her daughter without prior warning, said that she got a text from the NHS the next day informing her what the vaccine was, who had administered it etc (It was the HPV vaccine).

Apparently EVEN IF you write and *actively* withhold consent, that can be overridden by the vaccinator if the child ‘expresses an interest’ in having the vaccine – grrrr.

The cynic in me, on reading that the school claim not to have been informed of the visit in advance, thinks that the school is being disingenuous and knew full well of the planned visit, just maybe not the date, and decided to ‘help’ take-up (and avoid conflict due to current vaccine discussions) by failing to mention it to parents in correspondence. It’s probably buried deep on their website somewhere..

The parent did not mention another thing that I found worrying – how did the NHS get hold of the parents’ mobile phone numbers to send the text messages? When enrolling your child at a school, do you sign something that allows the school to give out your contact details to the NHS? Track n Trace being helped by this if so……

WikiHow online gives a lots of ways, tactics and schemes for children to use if tgey want to be vaccinated against their parents wishes. Seaching wkihow – how do I get vaccinated without my parents knowing may bring up results.

Another point is the informed consent is out of the window if told after the fact. Too late then.

The HPV vaccine is very controversial, it only covers something like 4 out of 70+ strains, many side effects and is given to children of whom many are not sexually active. It you believe that it protects the child it is only effective for 5 years.

DuckDuckGo search ‘HPV deaths’

Can HPV Vaccine Cause Injury and Death? https://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/HPV/vaccine-injury.aspx

According to federal VAERS data, as of May 31, 2018, 503 deaths following the HPV vaccination have been reported following HPV vaccination. However, the number of HPV vaccine related injuries and deaths reported to VAERS is assumed to be underreported as explained below.

As of July 1, 2019 415 claims have been filed to the federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) for 15 deaths and 400 injuries that occurred after HPV vaccination. To date, the U.S. Court of Claims has compensated 130 of the 415 children and adults who filed claims for HPV vaccine injuries.

Gardasil controversy: Freedom of Information disclosure reveals more deaths in Australia after HPV vaccination https://changingtimes.media/2019/07/20/gardasil-controversy-freedom-of-information-disclosure-reveals-more-deaths-in-australia-after-hpv-vaccination/

Note: A well functioning immune system is instrumental in helping the body fight infections

Precisely what they do with African children in the malaria vaccine studies, despite the fact they know that the vaccine doubles all-cause mortality in girls:-

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-02/b-wmv022520.php

A large scale malaria vaccine study led by the World Health Organization (WHO) has been criticised by a leading bioethicist for committing a “serious breach” of international ethical standards, finds a special report published by The BMJ today.

The cluster randomised study in Africa is already underway in Malawi, Ghana, and Kenya, where 720,000 children will receive the RTS,S vaccine, known as Mosquirix, over the next two years.

Mosquirix, the world’s first licensed malaria vaccine, was positively reviewed by the European Medicines Agency, but its use is being limited to pilot implementation, in part to evaluate outstanding safety concerns that emerged from previous clinical trials.

These were a rate of meningitis in those receiving Mosquirix 10 times that of those who did not, increased cerebral malaria cases, and a doubling in the risk of death (from any cause) in girls.

WHO says the study is a “pilot introduction” and not a “research activity” – and that those children living in areas randomised to receive the new vaccine will do so as part of each country’s routine vaccination schedule and that consent is “implied.”

An implied consent process means that recipients of the vaccine are not being informed that they are in a study.

Instead, WHO says that information on vaccination is provided to the community and to parents through health talks and community outreach – among other methods – and parents who present for vaccination do so with the option to vaccinate their children or not.

But Charles Weijer, a bioethicist at Western University in Canada, told The BMJ that the failure to obtain informed consent from parents whose children are taking part in the study violates the Ottawa Statement, a consensus statement on the ethics of cluster randomised trials.

He says that so-called implied consent is “no substitute for informed consent. Indeed, implied consent is no consent at all. We have no assurance that parents in fact received information about the study let alone that they understood it.”

What information parents are provided in practice is hard to judge.

WHO sent The BMJ some training information that it says it has shared with country partners about Mosquirix’s potential risks. The material lists the increased rates of meningitis and cerebral malaria observed in trials and states that they will be monitored. But the potential for increased risk of death among girls is not mentioned.

HCQ withdrawn from African countries, known to be effective against Malaria. Well liked byAfricans.

For those of you interested in such things here’s the latest data from the NHS for hospital admissions. I’ve included the raw data, which hopefull you can read.
A few points are worth noting:

1. Hospital admissions are mainly of people who are already in hospital in other words they haven’t been admitted because they’re diagnosed as suffering from Covid. The data on this only runs up to 2nd Sept at which time about 65% of admissions were people already in hospital.
2. The Scots gave up counting how many people were admitted to hospital on the 7th Sept. That must be reliable data then!
3. The Welsh have a hugely disproportionate number of hospitalisations because they don’t bother testing people to see if they’re infected or not they simply report anyone they ‘suspect’ as being a Covid paitient. They suspect a lot!

Send that to Julia H-B and Sky for their next interviews with Hancock! He needs to be called out on all his lies..

If the policy at a Welsh hospital local to me is a guide, they presume anyone to be covid unless proven otherwise. An elderly relative was admitted with a chest infection (just before local lockdown) and “?covid” was put against his name. He was negative and in fact on a specific day just before local lockdown there were zero patients with covid at the hospital (two different, independent sources).

Thanks Nick. I now understand your comments on my post yesterday – I hadn’t realised the NHS gave data which split external and in-patient Covid admissions.
I suspect we will see a significant rise from 3 Sept when the new data comes out, but we will have to wait till mid-Oct for it (data is published monthly, last produced 10 Sept).
Is it fair to conclude that hospitals are still dangerous places to be, because of the high risk of catching Covid while admitted for anything else?

I think nosocomial infection is only a small part of it. I suspect hospitals are pretty good at infection control. Rather, what I suspect happens is several things:

1. Lot’s of people will test positive, so a patient who’s in for a broken arm or whatever could be positive.
2. The grandfather of someone I know recently went in for a kidney operation. The other 2 chaps in his ward were covid positive (though not in for it or ill with it), he tested positive after only being there a day, so he didn’t catch it in the hospital but probably from his home carer. The operation went ahead & everyone just seemed to ignore the fact they were positive.
3. People coming from care homes, 50% of care homes have had outbreaks so loads of these people will doubtless test positive but it isn’t necessarily contributory to their hospitalisation.

The weekly data on age related admissions isn’t recent enough to get much of a feel for who’s going in but the key issue is why are people being admitted, is it to treat Covid or is that just an ancillary condition?

So am I getting this right? For 2 Sept:
” Number of patients admitted with confirmed COVID-19 – Total  21 “
is patients who had a +ve test before admission, and
” Number of inpatients diagnosed with COVID-19 – Total             45 “
are people who tested +ve after admission, whatever they were admitted for.

I presume everyone gets tested on admission, so wouldn’t anyone tested on arrival whose test subsequently turned out to be +ve fit in the first category?

This is quite a good chart to explain it. I don’t know why it happens but it does. The NHS report on those ‘admitted’ with a pre-existing positive test & separately those who are tested when already in hospital.
I suspect it means that many people who were admitted were not kicking about the community in advance of hospitalisation but in some way already in the care system, & not admitted because of covid but ‘with’ covid.

Here’s the link to the data. The 1st link is the csv file, the 2nd link is the page it comes from:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/09/Covid-Publication-10-09-2020.xlsx
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/

Tricky stuff this hospital data, so these figures are admissions? Presumably there will also be discharges? And so I am guessing the key figure is the number actually in hospital?

The NHS data shows:

1. ‘Admitted’, people who had a positive test in advance of admission.
2. Diagnosed, people already in hospital who were subsequently ‘admitted’ when tested in hospital.
3. Discharged. The difference between (admitted + diagnosed) – discharges = deaths

So they are being admitted twice?

“A Hospital Provider Spell starts with a Hospital Provider admission and ends with a Hospital Provider discharge”

https://datadictionary.nhs.uk/data_dictionary/nhs_business_definitions/h/hospital_provider_spell_de.asp?shownav=1

Before retiring I used to work with this – thought I was shot of it!

This was the explanation from one of the statisticians at the NHS explaining the 2 types of patients, admitted & diagnosed……..

We effectively have 2 items in the publication that make up admissions due to covid.

1. Patients admitted with confirmed covid (i.e those who already have a positive test on admission)
2. Inpatients newly diagnosed in previous 24 hours. These will include patients already in hospital for other reasons who have since contracted covid (as you say), but will also include patients admitted with suspected covid but without a positive test at time of admission. We don’t have a split of this figure I’m afraid.

Here are the reporting definitions for COVID-19 Hospital Activity:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/Publication-definitions-doc.pdf

Accessed via:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/

Yes, I was aware of those definitions but they don’t precisely match up to the data set of ‘Admitted’ & ‘Diagnosed’ so I asked the question & this was the reply:

We effectively have 2 items in the publication that make up admissions due to covid.

1. Patients admitted with confirmed covid (i.e those who already have a positive test on admission)
2. Inpatients newly diagnosed in previous 24 hours. These will include patients already in hospital for other reasons who have since contracted covid (as you say), but will also include patients admitted with suspected covid but without a positive test at time of admission. We don’t have a split of this figure I’m afraid.

The issue for me is that (until the past couple of days) its been very easy to get a test. All NHS gatekeepers direct suspected cases to get a test before rocking up at hospital, therefore who can these people be who get into hospital without a test?

Could be admissions via A&E

What, 70%!

The HES web site gives a lot of information about hospital activity but is not up to date.
Here is “FAEs by admission method, 2009-10 to 2019-20” (FAE = Finished Admission Episide)
http://bitly.ws/9LDi

Scroll down to “Elective and emergency admissions by month, 2019-20” which shows in normal times emergency is about 2/3 of elective. The chart only goes up to March, but since then, with cancellation of a lot of electives, emergency will have been dominant.

Yes. Since March 20th 82% of all hospital ‘Covid’ admissions have been of people who were already inpatients. This is publicly available data.

Someone give that graph to Julia H-B to quote at Matt Hancock !

Nick,
Do you work in the NHS – if not, can someone who does confirm that we are reading the data correctly.
To my mind this is gold dust, in terms of giving context – it blows out of the water the idea that we are at high risk of being hospitalised with Covid simply by going about our daily lives.
Of course, the downside is that it will make people even more fearful of going to hospital with other illnesses.

NickR these are excellent additions to the comments. Really helpful posting. Thank you.

Very interesting information but also shocking. You would think the only interesting and essential information is people admitted with CLI(C-19 like illness) or contracted CLI at hospital and the same for those admitted to ICU.These are the only cases to be worried about and would be the best estimate of the current case surge and whether it is impacting health care.All other cases are relevant for hospital infection control practice perhaps but are mostly total irrelevant just indicating past infection or false positive. There are suspicions that this type of overcounting of C-19 cases in hospitals and ICU happens also in Spain and France.

I’ve had the NHS statisticians confirm the interpretation, this is copied from an email response….

We effectively have 2 items in the publication that make up admissions due to covid.

1. Patients admitted with confirmed covid (i.e those who already have a positive test on admission)
2. Inpatients newly diagnosed in previous 24 hours. These will include patients already in hospital for other reasons who have since contracted covid (as you say), but will also include patients admitted with suspected covid but without a positive test at time of admission. We don’t have a split of this figure I’m afraid.

I suggest sending this information to Deborah Cohen as well. Her email address can be found on her website.

This interactive website allows you to select which age group you want to look at for admissions, diagnoses, discharges virtually all hospital activity. Just click on the category on the right which you want/dont want.
https://rpubs.com/davehawkins/659676

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54194498
good to see Van Morrison fighting back

Yes it is the sixties generation that has the balls to do this.

Just missed this!!

I think a lot of artists are worried about speaking out. My sense is that lockdown is a bit ‘woke’ and has been taken up by nearly all on the Left (SDP is one exception and I am sure there are a few others). Since the Arts tend to be on the Left, this has meant they have been quiet on the issue at a time when the Arts have a huge role to play in resisting all this.

Traditionally the left was the side of rebellion against authority and the establishment. Nowadays the left are the authority and are the establishment. This has wider application than coronapanic, but is often only noticeable, for those themselves generally on the left but sceptical of the coronapanic, in the case of coronapanic issues, because in other areas they do not see it because they see their own side’s abuses as “just common sense” or “just decency”.

The other area where it is particularly evident is the way Cultural Revolutionary zealot mobs of the left, such as BLM and XR, are allowed, even encouraged, to march and to harass dissenters from establishment orthodoxy. That is their role and purpose.

Apparently the NME was ” outraged ” that Noel Gallagher refuses to wear a mask!.. rock on!

Arseholes on radio this morning slagging off van, Ian brown, Noel g, Jim corr. Mocking them, to be expected but as my comment earlier I truly hope all the aresholes in media eventually suffer for this.

Hopefully the cuts in advertising revenue will see to that.

Absolute 90s seems to be 100% covid advertising, PPE as well as the awful one about making sure children have their mask – trusted PPE

I think it was Delingpole, on one of his and Toby’s London Calling podcasts, who was saying that advertising salesmen love to sell space to government, because unlike all the stuff for private clients, which is negotiated hard and sold at massive discounts to book rates, government just pays book rate without quibbling. Massively more profitable (and much less work).

Yes, more wasting of tax-payers’ hard-earned!

Well it’s a marvelous night for a Moonshot

The arts are finally starting to resist The Madness:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54194498

Andrew Lloyd Webber was celebrating the other day that one of his productions was going to re-open – another lockdown will put the kibosh on that…

Grateful for this site and all the work that goes into it. Thank you.

Another national lockdown? What’s this about? Is this serious?

So we will be doing this now, what, forever? Until every last inch of the economy is devastated? Really?

And they haven’t even outlined their objectives. Surely people won’t take it again?

The willingness, even gladness, of the British people to go along with every degrading treatment meted out to them so far doesn’t make me particularly optimistic with respect to your final sentence.

I wonder if we deserve all this on some level. Freedom has to be re-earned over and over again. Like in sport you are only as good as your last goal or tennis shot. Well, we have now been re-tested and come up totally short.

Well, I won’t. For a start.

Have a look at the following link. It’s an article in the British Medical Journal which refers to the staggering number of excess deaths in care homes. 30,000 in total, 6,000 attributable to Covid. It’s a disgrace. https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1931

What caused the other 24,000? Unintended consequences from obsessing with Covid?

Refusal of medical care from the NHS.If you were planning a fake pandemic this is what you would do.It gave the government the numbers to continue to justify extreme measures.This was replicated world wide,even in Sweden who have admitted they got it wrong

Yes, even Sweden weren’t perfect in this. But they got everything else broadly right which we certainly didn’t.

Admitted early that they had made a mistake – that is also important to note.

Also they have realised the psychological effects on the elderly and are lifting the ban on visits in a couple of weeks – although in practice visits have been allowed in the open air over the summer.. I’ve seen photos of people sitting at tables in the sun with their relatives, albeit with a perspex screen on the table between them!

These figures require further unpacking.

The ‘dry tinder’ factor, for instance, is very important – a large number of ‘survivors’ following the previous weak infection season.

Beginning to think that the current insanity is part of a ‘cunning plan’ to obscure that horror. Of course it just increases the collateral damage but that’s a bit further off and perhaps, they hope, easier to cover up.

Today’s Dilbert is great, cheered me up

RAPS RANT AND COVID JAZZ!

All in the latest episode of ‘The Real Normal’

Ep.06 NORF FC LOCKDOWN

https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/

“The University of Cambridge is to offer all students living in college accommodation a weekly test for infection with SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, even if they show no symptoms.”

https://www.cam.ac.uk/news/cambridge-university-to-provide-weekly-coronavirus-testing-for-students-resident-in-colleges

Where are they getting their test kits from I wonder?

totally confusing message in Oldham: come forward ‘even if you don’t have symptoms,’ but govt policy advises only get tested if you have symptoms – which is the correct policy?

https://twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1306606280417701889

The beginnings of the moonshot. What’s the bet that universities will be the testing ground for compulsory digital health passports?

And they’ve already got the students to sign consents – easy to add extra clauses..

“offer”

Yes, ‘offer’ or actually ‘mandate’…as per the agreement the students had to sign up to..

Ivor Cummins 8/9
Excellent Video
971k views – 40k over night
https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac

Ivor Cmmins has released a video explaining why a junior doctors views about the above video are wrong. Ivor Cummins is factuaal, concise and damning in his clarity.

I’ll stop reposting at a million views – there may be new eyes lookimg in each day.

“ Lockdown zealot Times columnist David Aaronovitch has written a column entitled “Covid libertarians are a danger to us all” about why he thinks “Boris Johnson is right and Lord Sumption is wrong” . “

David Aaronovitch is one of those Blairites, like Dan Hodges, whom it is always encouraging to find oneself in opposition to, because they are pretty reliably wrong on almost every important aspect of life, and politics.

As inveterate Iraq War apologists and warmongers, they are about as despicable as it is possible to get without actually giving the orders to murder people directly, and as snivelling authority-worshippers, they are personally contemptible, to boot. Best thing to do with them, frankly, as long as you clean it off carefully afterwards.

And yes, this is ad hominem. Who can resist such easy targets, especially when their actual positions are so laughably divorced from reality?

“a danger to us all”

He doesn’t believe in evidence then.

Statute – Legislative rule of Society given the force of law by consent of the governed

All Covid laws are statutes, they are not Common Law, which is the jurisdiction of the UK. Statutes require consent, the police cannot enforce statutes without consent – although they do, which is a deriliction of duty.

The Oath of Office is to serve and protect the public and uphold the (common) law – not statues

They can protect statues all they like

But they haven’t been of late as dear old Caribbean-focused, Bristol-based, merchant Edward Coulson can testify.

Not wanting to get at you
But you have to be astute
To tell a statue
From a statute.

Clever clogs!

Was just reading about Victoria on ZeroHedge and interestingly in the comments it mentioned that the state is using private security forces to help enforce the lockdown.

So this is a mess created by the local politicians and they’re having trouble putting the genie back in the bottle.

In other words they have a Black and Tans situation

Is it a surprise then?

So more threatened lockdowns to prevent NHS being overwhelmed. It didn’t get close the first time so why now? Has Ferguson predicted an even more catastrophic second wave. So sick is this.

Three weeks to delay has morphed into forever to eradicate. Cause the Kiwis did it. Oh yeah…they should have locked down it harder, earlier and longer! All hail The Science (TM) I guess.

The proof will be in the numbers.

Where are the real NHS numbers?

Hancock himself suggested that 2 wasn’t the right number for Bolton.

So what is?

I’m not sure the numbers matter anymore, just a rentlessly pushed narrative.

It was never about the numbers. The numbers didnt and dont add when you consider that an excess 51K people died of flu in 2018 alone. This is about pushing the narrative with whatever end game they have in mind.

Did anyone watch Question Time last night? I can’t stand it but I’ve heard that Sunetra Gupta was on. How did it go?

There are comments on the ‘tail end’ of yesterday’s thread!

Ta.

Looking at the Twitter feed for question time, there are people calling Sunetra Gupta dangerous.

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1306720401356095492

https://twitter.com/jhnhellstrom/status/1306863914882301954 As this guy says, Sunetra could get a work permit in Sweden very quickly if she wanted

Fucking hell, she isn’t as dangerous as halving the number of daily cancer diagnoses…

Thought criminals always are.

She appeared very nervous to start with, but got into her stride. John Caudwell was brilliant. Zahawi was his usual wittering self. Ashworth ditto, but went off like a rocket when Caudwell called him out for his faux concern about the virus/restrictions (you are just scoring political points). The author (Nicci French) was ok, but a bit wet.

Important point – Caudwell was the biggest donor to the Tory party at last election. His comments on lockdown come after Sir Mick Davis important piece in Telegraph last week. Simon Wolfson – another Tory supporter – has also broken cover this morning to criticise WFH. The big business Tory supporters will bring Boris and the government down if they have to, and the 1922 Committee know that.

What’s WFH?

Work(ing) From Home probably.

Thanks! I should’ve realised that!

Sorry – Work From Home (dashing out!)

Maybe a chink of light then?

I wish they’d just get on with it!

There used to be a tenuous connection between us plebs down here, and the big decision-makers, ‘up there’. If only through emailing MPs, local party chairmen, councillors, and always an election of one sort or another by way of which a ‘view’ could be sent on up the line. It might be just me, or has all that paraphernalia of democracy just …. gone? Never have I felt so much like I’m being crushed under a boot.

I think if enough people protested to their MPs, things would change. But it needs to be hundreds of thousands to make a difference

They got bullied into doing Brexit by voter pressure

Not my MP. Not replying to anything. He only ever represented a small Corbynista section of his constituents though. The rest of us are scum. Lloyd Russell-Moyles, since you ask.

Most MPs, going by comments on here, don’t bother to even reply. Mine doesn’t but I keep on trying

I told mine not to reply unless he was going to actually address my points and not give me vacuous drivel. He didn’t reply….

They are in a psychological bunker and cannot be dissuaded.

Only mass non-compliance will work. Or a vaccine.

I’m thinking a vaccine isn’t going to work. In the golden bullet sense. The academic institution, pharma bought, scientists are starting to wriggle. Drifting out the idea that a single Vaccine Rex isn’t going to happen. Indivudual health circumstances are likely to require one a variety of possible vaccine efforts they say.

Extrapolating from this range of vaccine senario the kind of ‘immunity’ each person has will be different. Test and trace then becomes an unholy, unworkable bureaucracy of daily, weekly monitoring. Essentially this golden bullet is a fantasy and the wheels have already fallen off they just haven’t told us yet.

How about that for positive – the fall of Vaccine Rex! One vaccine to rule them all is no more, imo.

A safe vaccine in the sort of timescale suggested is a nonsense. It is also unlikely anyway for this virus- and unnecessary.

100% agree.

It the phantom of a vaccine has been given as the key to unlocking this disaster. It’s not happening.

But from a pragmatic point of view don’t we just want something with the name ‘vaccine’ so that this can be ended. Who cares if it actually WORKS…as long as it doesn’t kill too many people in the process. I see it as a placebo, efficacy doesn’t come into it.

Not keen on that at all. The creation of vaccination systems to sail us away from this point. I would say is a very dangerous precedent. The vaccination program is coming with all manner of associated societal change. No point having the vaccine if you can not prove you’ve had it.

Falsify the ‘proof’ document? And get a paper version by saying you don’t have a smartphone.

Good points. You’re certainly not on your own in feeling that democracy has departed these shores.

How do I nominate a theme song? Do I just post it here?

Average White Band – Let’s go round again

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AkGZmmrLFAU

Great song – one of the best in a disco!

Denise Welch on Twitter this morning. She’s really giving it a go.

“Also if more people with voices and blue ticks would voice their disgust at how EVERYTHING is now sacrificed for COVID we might have a f…..g chance of turning this around. Cancer, 500 a day, heart failure, 450 a day, sepsis 110 a day, suicide 30 a day ( and climbing) Poverty!!”

Never been a fan but it takes courage in her position to get out there and say these things.

I agree completely, I’ve never seen her act but she has huge moral fibre – that’s enough to get me to see her in panto next year… mibby.

She’s a dam good actress, but that doesn’t alter the thrust of what she is saying. We need many more like her.

Things are that bad that people have absolutely nothing to lose by speaking out. Silence will only allow the government to speed up the depopulation agenda. Bill Gates always wants value for money.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EjTHzanq4TE
Tucker Carlson, last night’s show. Watch the opening monologue if nothing else (and it’ll be removed later today, so watch it early). The corona virus has been far less damaging than the politicians’ reactions to it. They’re just as illogical, dishonest, and damaging on the other side of the Atlantic.

If those dying and at risk are from care homes surely tightening all rules around those homes would make logical sense?

That would make a lot of sense, but for some reason it seems it wouldn’t be considered “fair” for the people in care homes.

How hard would it actually be to ringfence care homes and screen everyone going in and out? It would certainly be more cost effective than forcing the entire population to put their lives on hold and suffer the longer term consequences.

New rules on Carehomes come in today.

Dreadful for all concerned.

However the outcome could be very beneficial.

And yet in Sweden they are lifting the ban on care home visits in 2 weeks’ time!

Isn’t herd immunity a wonderful thing… I meant to ask, Carrie, what is the Swedish attitude, in your opinion, to a potential vaccine?

I haven’t really asked many people, but the ones I have talked to are worried about the safety aspect – unsurprising given the take-up of the swine flu was high here and so there were a lot of narcolepsy cases.

We have not been told whether it will be mandatory or voluntary, only that healthcare workers and risk groups will be likely offered it first..

A fair few people seem to be aware that Covid is likely less dangerous than we have been told..

Hi Carrie. Been wondering about this issue myself. Sweden does already have a fairly heavy routine vaccine schedule, I believe. Don’t know if your childhood vaccines are parental choice?
AstraZeneca (Oxford vaccine AZD1222) is an Anglo-Swedish company interestingly.

I just don’t understand the argument that you can’t expect people in care homes to be isolated for so long, so the solution is to instead make everyone else AND people in care homes to be isolated indefinitely… huh?

Unless your country has developed herd immunity

How about asking the people in the care homes what degree of risk they wish to take? So they can balance quality of life, basic human dignity and kindness, on the one hand, against death from a virus on the other. Bearing in mind they’re going to die of something pretty soon anyway.

I know which I would choose. And I would want to be looked after in the meantime by people who care.

I always thought science was based on evidence. You have a hypothesis you let things play out and determine how right or wrong you were based on the evidence. Somehow it’s been turned into make a prediction, don’t allow it to happen then claim that the science was right because what you predicted didn’t happen.

Most science is now religious dogma, or politics driven.

They decide on a conclusion they want and attempt to find an hypothesis to match, when that fails they lie, obfuscate and shut down dissent (deniers).

The null hypotesis that masks will not sop the spread of the virus is being proven, as was the null hypothesis that lockdowns will not stop the spread and save lives.

Because – Sweden

To paraphrase Huxley – the slaying of the beautiful hypothesis that Masks slow viral spread by the ugly old Flu

Not exactly. Science is based on a philosophical method called the Scientific Method. The part about evidence is relevant if your initial concept and assumptions involve evidence gathering. This may sound a bit deep and confusing but in really means you can have hard evidence-based science with deeply hypothetical science. As long as the conclusions flow from the assumptions and measurements/exercising then it can be considered valid.

However valid scientifically is not the same as valid in the real world. The point of science is exploring the “What If?”. When the What If becomes a prediction/projection then it needs bounding with some real data, as well as having methods of data gathering that will allow predicted variations to be seen.

That’s why you have the Theoriticians and the Empricists/Rationalists. You can spend your whole life in a theoretical bubble (see String Theory)

Science can never be “objective” It will inevitably reflect the views or bias of the experimenter.

Just about to make a much needed holiday booking for a client and get this:

However! I spoke with a friend last night who is a surgeon in London and they’ve been told to cancel all elective surgeries indicating a second lockdown!

I give up!

I’ve just come back from Greece after being indecisive about the airports and masks etc – but 10 days on a lovely greek island and basking in the Ionian sea and sunshine was the best tonic and best decision ever!! It felt fairly normal there and relaxed and only wore masks in supermarket.
The BA flight out on was 3 quarters full, and on the return full, so there are tourists just getting on with it despite the fear mongering of the media to put people off travelling!
So my message to anyone thinking of vacation and can is to go for it – worry about lockdowns etc if/when they happen!

Twitter feed https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1306720401356095492 , comments are enlightening.

I feel I’ve been transported back to March,meanwhile in Sweden

How are they going to fill all these ‘cleared’ hospital beds? False flags?

With mannequins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc5kQcvNwb4&ab_channel=RanTech

Yes, saw that back in the Spring – very revealing!

Crisis actors.

All those unemployed actors who aren’t working due to the lockdown,

Where I live, the south west, there are currently 13 hospitalisation, with 1 on a ventilator. There are 17 major hospitals and 34 other hospital facilities (community hospitals, eye hospitals etc). So currently there is less than 1 C19 patient per major hospital. Shock horror, where’s my damp dirty rag to put over my nose and mouth. (They don’t tell you the age of those 13 hospitalisation). Also how many of those 13 will die?

But even one case (whatever that means) is too many according to the preachers of cOvIdZeRo. If it just saves one life, it’s worth it.

1 covid death is worth 1000 cancer deaths at the latest market price.

How many lives will be sacrificed (to other causes) to save one life from Covid?

Exactly. And will this saved life really be saved from Covid or saved from another illness disguised as Covid?

People should be asking them that

We will never know, because they changed the adequately effective method of reporting deaths and requiremenmts for post-mortem.

As a new (novel) disease Covid-19 should have required post-mortem designations as actual “cause of death”, unless it has very unique and easily identifiable indicators/symptoms.

It’s ridiculous. There is no arguing with these people. We just need to convert those in the middle who aren’t so stupid as to believe this. Then it will be a minority group like those shouting to remain 4 years on, yes they have very strong views but in reality they can’t make a difference, hopefully the same will happen here.

Indeed. Funny how SM never gave a flying duck about annual flu deaths but it’s a trendy virtue party now.

Surprised it’s that many.

Can I ask were you get the data? I’m in Devon and would like to get to this sort of information regularly.

Not sure where you get the bang up to date figures, but the September report (Excel spreadsheet) accessed under ‘Hospital Activity’ here
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/
gives you line by line, hospital by hospital, daily data up to 3 September.

Yes, I have the September one (not sure if we are supposed to have it). Fascinating, which has given me the appetite for updates.

interesting spreadsheet – thanks for the link!
Lots of worksheets and includes hospital staff absenteeism due to virus – seems to be more controlled now compared to the peak in april!

Just listening to yesterday’s Richie Allen show, very interesting and well worth a listen.

https://youtu.be/wuMZaBL-M80

Good stuff. Here’s the podomatic link – easier to download and therefore may help people avoid listening to R4 on the move!
https://richieallen.podomatic.com/

A study on the return of University Students at Umea Uni in Sweden:

Practically no spread of infection on campus at the start of the semester
https://www.umu.se/en/news/practically-no-spread-of-infection-on-campus-at-the-start-of-the-semester_9598148/

The idea of Herd Immunity is unpalatable to many. It would likely involve too many deaths, particularly if the mind is already set on the “one death is too many” idea.

Many believe that it is a point where the virus is eradicated, which is what I would call the book definition. Those who consider it as thus tend to assume that going for any immunity is a bad idea. Why else would they think total suppression or eradiction of the virus is the only option?

I will call these people “Immunity Deniers”. The simple fact is that any immunity is useful and it can be built up steadily whilst protecting the most vulnerable.

In theory it could be possible to have enough people with a level of immunity to slow down or stop the spread of the virus. This is most likely the situation in Sweden.

I think it may be a good idea to stop talking about Herd Immunity (the definition assumed by many) and just promote the idea that any immunity is useful.

The Science (TM) is settled, you can only get to herd immunity from a vaccine now, millions need to die for that. All hail The Science (TM)

This line should have read:

In theory it could be possible to have enough people with a level of immunity to slow down or stop the spread of the virus with zero or very little deaths . This is most likely the situation in Sweden ( how people consider the numbers of dead is debatable ).

Yes most people don’t realise that immunity is the reason we’re all still walking around as a species and we pay for that immunity with lives every day and always have done.

“By the toll of a billion deaths man has bought his birthright of the earth, and it is his against all comers; it would still be his were the Martians ten times as mighty as they are. For neither do men live nor die in vain.” War of the Worlds.

Exactly, reality is unpalatable to many.

Not only humans but every multicell organism has some sort of immune system. There are traits that we share with insects for example, including the basic pattern matching cells. Also some of the early “infections” became symbiotic, e.g. mitochondria.

weekly update..

The ongoing discussion with Aldi. You may recall this –
Aldi told me “ We are not forcing our staff to wear masks and it will not end in disciplinary action if they do not wear a mask.” so i mentioned this to staff when i went to Aldi last Friday (and forwarded the email).
Today, went to Aldi. All staff on the floor wearing masks. They told me nothing had come from Head Office. As far as they were aware the Aldi policy had not changed.
So today I will email Aldi and ask them if the are lying to me or lying to their staff.

Drove past junior school at start time. Didnt see a single masked person. However in Aldi and the shopping centre most people masked. Spoke to one lady who said she had bronchitis and did not want to wear a mask but did so to avoid confrontation. Told her to come here for exemption and lanyard details .

emailed Aldi.. raised the question with them (and copied full email trail to Toby)

“So, following on from the email trail below, i did mention your response to Aldi staff when i visited the store (and showed them the email). As mentioned , they were still following the policy that you instructed them to follow back in August. I am not sure whether any of them took this forward

Anyway , went to Aldi this morning . Saw that all the staff on the floor still wearing masks. I did ask and was told that nothing has been said to them since last week.

So, the original policy seems to still be in force.

The question remains .. As your response to me last week was clearly incorrect and does not reflect what appears to be happening, are you lying to me or are you lying to your staff.?

Maybe you should refer to George Orwell who in the book 1984 identified the concept of “doublethink” which is “the act of holding, simultaneously, two opposite, individually exclusive ideas or opinions and believing in both simultaneously and absolutely. Doublethink requires using logic against logic or suspending disbelief in the contradiction”.

Aldi are holding the contradictory views that “you are not forcing staff to wear masks” yet the policy staff still have to follow is that “masks must be worn by staff whilst on the shop floor”

Would you like to explain this to me please

Sorry for tardiness mjr, too much going on.

We asked our local (Lewes) Aldi staff about this, after seeing your first email. They too have been told masks mandatory on shop floor.

also forgot to mention. .going round Aldi unmasked. there was a masked mother with a toddler (18months > 2 year old ) in the trolley. Kid could not stop looking at me .. he was fascinated. Every time he looked at me i smiled… and he smiled back.. everybody in store masked.. it must have been so unusual for him.

In my local Aldi this morning, one of a few bare faces among the zombies. Amused to hear a slight altercation between two of the latter, one accusing the other of not having kept their distance enough. But I thought these wonderful masks granted immortality?

My grandparents are dead, does anyone have a spare?

How can that be when lockdown fans have willed that nobody must die?

They died years ago when people sadly but were allowed to die. 2 died before I was born.

maybe they will make coronavirus retrospective to make the figures look good. My grandad died many years ago with pneumonia as the main factor. He was 95 .
It may well have been coronovirus though.
Maybe the government have someone trawling through death certificates looking for likely canditates
And sorry , no spare grandparents.

England and Wales figures went negative in August when the perpetual C-19 cause of death error was adjusted. Praise the Lord!

“maybe they will make coronavirus retrospective to make the figures look good.”

Rather like the Mormons baptising people after they have died!

Hello,
I watching QT last night and was really disappointed that the two politicians slagged off the Oxford professor for daring to say herd immunity. It may not be political correct to say allow the virus to spread through the community or her views differ from other scientists but to be so dismissive beggars belief. Maybe that’s why so many people have given up on politics and just follow the rules for an easy life. But it’s obvious to us all lockdown as failed but if you think about it couldn’t do anything else. Yes it probably saved lives and the nhs and for awhile stopped the virus but as expected it’s once again spreading. The thing about lockdown is there not meant
to stop a pandemic they meant to gain you time to build up capacity to treat all the infected people. Only by allowing the virus to spread through healthy people as occurred in Sweden do you build up herd immunity to the point where the virus is no more lethal. So now where heading towards Christmas and probably another lockdown having learnt nothing of how to deal with covid. As for the much awaited vaccine the politicians have really got to understand it’s not the magic bullet they claim it is.
In the US of 180000 deaths due to covid 170000 were people who had two or more health problems so a vaccine would save 10000 lives.I don’t know how many lives in the US have been lost due to lockdown there, but in the UK it’s believed 16000 have died already due to lockdown. Maybe Boris is a spent force but if he could just look into himself accept he made a mistake by following the lockdown scientists. And be bold once again we could get out of the mess covid as caused and celebrate Christmas as world beating country. Let’s hope!

Many deaths in USA from the banning of HCQ (because Trump). Let’s hope there’s a reckoning. Much of this madness, as with so much of everything else, comes from there fueled by insane anti-Trump obsession and lust for power by any means neccessary.

Let’s stop calling it Herd Immunity (which makes us sound like cattle) and start calling it Adult Immunity (adults realise you can’t hide from sickness, you have to live with it).

Species immunity? Population immunity? Social immunity? Community immunity?

crowd immunity?

Common sense or in reality common sense immunity

Community Immunity gets my vote.

HIT or collective immunity. Herd immunity has been used and abused for months now. Part of the problem is that when you reach the threshold, it is difficult to verify by scientific measurement. Just measuring the percentage of those with antibodies by serology, gives you an artificially low figure so is pretty useless, because it ignores other immunity mechanisms.

I think we should just stop talking about herd immunity, as many people think of it as the ideal state where a virus is effectively eradicated, and just promote the idea of general immunity.

Or as Einstein may have called it “The general theory of immunity”

I agreed that the adjective ‘herd’ is unhelpful. The substitution of ‘population’ would do.

Flock immunity for the sheeple

Turns out during all 4 epidemics prior to COVID-19 since 2000, CDC & WHO were concerned about the high false-positive rates for PCR tests & issued guidelines to try and minimize them. But for C19, both somehow forgot all about PCR false-positive rates:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.26.20080911v3.full.pdf

Thanks for this link – great information. Hancock, all his ‘clever’ advisors are aware of this, and they have chosen to ignore it.

Fixing the problem

The impact of false positives in SARS-CoV-2 testing could be mitigated by increasing the awareness of false positives; by improving estimates of false positive rates with appropriately- designed EQAs, or by assessing results retrospectively with serological tests; and by reducing the frequency of false positives by requiring two independent positive tests to diagnose an individual as infected.

Like all tests, PCR-based assays are subject to error that includes both false negative and false positive results. A successful testing program must understand the error rates and use tests appropriately. While SARS-CoV-2 testing to date has clearly missed the mark, we can course- correct: we can reassess plans for group-testing or mass-testing using realistic estimates of the potential range of false-positive rates; reconsider the conclusions of studies that implicitly assumed a zero false positive rate; and reduce misdiagnoses and statistical miscounts by confirming positive results with a second independent test, especially in asymptomatic persons and in areas where test positivity is low. In the interim, where mass-testing or group-testing has been conducted without regard to symptoms or exposure—notably in certain regions, congregate-living facilities, workplaces and sports leagues—positive results in healthy individuals that haven’t been confirmed by a second test should be considered suspect.

Chucking in this because I don’t know the answer. If anyone has an explanation please reply

PCR false positives. The suggestion is that 1% to 2% are false positives. In theory then all current positives could false positives

Going back to March/April. I have disregarded those deaths that were certified as COVID but where no test took place

How many of the deaths attributed to covid (because of a positive test) were false positives?

The point I’m making is how many of the recorded covid deaths (with a positive test result) were actually attributable to flu, pneumonia, or some other cause?

Once you get to all false positives the percentage +ve line goes mostly flat. At the moment it is up and down. That change is real cases.

Apologies, don’t understand your explanation, would you please expand

Not necessarily – don’t forget that different test locations use different numbers of cycles, and, in any case, the false positives are essentially random events so that their frequency will vary.

Not sure they are random in the true sense but even so if they are random with a fixed probability then the proportion from a large sample should be fixed.

e.g. Assume no covid infections in UK but PCR testing with 99% specificity continues then 1% of tests will show positive, i.e. the proportion will be (very) close to 1% in any large sample.

I agree. There is a trend. We might not know the exact numbers but the increase in TRUE positives looks to be real.

I doubt that I am alone in lacking your confidence:

‘1. There is considerable diversity of molecular platforms, reagents, kits and assay performance conditions in PHE and NHS laboratories providing SARS-CoV-2 molecular detection

2. There is evidence of quality assurance difficulties for key reagents due to global supply chain issues

3. Shortages of swabs and transport medium have led to local variations in sampling practice which may impact on assay performance through the introduction of inhibitors into biochemical reactions

4. There is no evidence of viral genetic drift as a basis for altered sensitivity of assay

5. Enzyme performance from external suppliers has degraded compared with original validation performance.’

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zoki1xUKuY15JmPujZXd-mMjXn0K_2GM/view

Do we think, for example, that ‘global supply chain issues’ are likely to have disappeared as the global panic has intensified since this document was issued?

I’m not sure any of your 5 points explains the uptick over the last 3 or 4 weeks. Note this is an uptick which is similar to the Covid Symptom study & now the ONS survey.

It’s probably not a concern yet but a continuation of the trend will be.

With regard to the Simon Dolan case being postponed due to a lawyer’s holiday, but the positive being that the case will now be properly done in a courtroom in a month’s time….. surely that implies that the case was going to be heard via video link of some sort, and – that being the case – the lawyer can participate from where ever they have gone on holiday?

Don’t be daft, they can’t think of such simple solutions!!

Haha! Silly me, I actually forgot for a moment that it’s all the bloody plan! I must admit, it was a blissful moment.

It’s nice to know that the whole country has to put it’d freedoms on hold while someone gets a suntan.

One rule for me and another for thee.

Personally I think it is a lie, and that the government wanted to extend the coronavirus act and bring in the 2nd lockdown before the hearing, in order to add weight to their case (which is about proportionality)

Indeed…. all much too convenient. And when they return from holiday, it will be all quarantines and covid tests, and WHOOPS…. they’re positive! Two more weeks then. As if they can’t function with only 10 solicitors or find anyone to replace them. It’s pathetic. As IanE said above, justice delayed is justice denied.

I think it’s definitely a lie. Who goes on holiday in September, without it being pre-planned? They are acting like it’s taken them by surprise. And there’s hardly anywhere left to go on holiday to anyway without having to lock yourself up for 2 weeks before and after.

Exactly… Can we do an FOI to find out who it is? or might Simon know? His paperwork might narrow it down, if he has the names of the 12 lawyers…

Justice deferred is justice denied: not, of course, that any judges will, nowadays, accept Dolan’s case.

Great question. We experienced these tactics previously with a court case with our freeholder.

I am amazed that it is allowed when they have more than 1 lawyer. Is it legal?

What about a FOI request?

• Who is the lawyer?
• When did he/she decided to go on holiday?
• If on or before the court date was announced, why did he/she not notify the court on the same date?
• If after the court date was announced why did he/she not notify the court immediately (not the day before the court case)? Also why plan a holiday if you have to be in court on that specific date?
• etc

Yes, the point about not notifying the court that you would be on holiday until a week before the holiday….. surely that’s behaviour deeply frowned upon? Unless, of course, it’s useful to them!

I am so fed up of the idea that because we aren’t all at the same risk, we all need to give up what we have because some people have frankly just been dealt a worse hand health-wise in life. It’s the same thing with far left ideologies, if a few have better things, the only logical solution is to make sure no one has any good things, therefore equality. Simples.

I can get enough simplistic nonsense from Hancock and Whitty.

Isn’t that the definition of ‘crony capitalism’ though – it certainly isn’t free market capitalism as per Chicago School/Hayekian economics?

If I can’t have it, you can’t have it either. As someone who grew up in the socialist republic of North Tyneside in the 1970s, I concur. That’s why we no longer have grammar schools in this country.

It is never stated publicly and most on the left are in denial about it but it would be the outcome of implementation the economic and social policies of the left.

More shit on the way for Lancashire (but not Blackpool??). Somebody kill them now, please.

We wont listen, we haven so far.

I’m with you, but it depends on how difficult they make it. No doubt, it will be police over reach time again.

Saw this, why not Blackpool??, isn’t it about time the zombified masses starting smelling a rat as it is now putrid

illuminations are on… rona doesnt like bright lights.. maybe its a gizmo

It’s a separate authority from Lancashire County Council.

correct .. Blackpool is a unitary authority and so nothing to do with Lancashire . and all these local downs are done on a local government basis rather than geographical .

Julia Hartley Brewer goes in hard here on false positive rates etc. Hancock is such a pompous patronising lying prick.

Matt Hancock does not rule out second national lockdown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEqm0ldWf-8

“Does not rule out” ….. translation from Scum to English: “Will announce in a matter of days.”

Exactly!

just listened to this. appalling. JHB asked some good questions but did not press on obvious errors such as swedens lockdown.
As Mark Twain didnt say … there are Lies, Damned Lies , and Health Minister’s answers

You can tell she’s under time pressure unfortunately – she wasn’t able to nail some of the stuff the health secretary claimed – the numbers in the hospitals for one. Crikey he is truly dreadful.

I some ways all she needs to do is ask the questions – no need to wait for the answers (which we know will be rubbish)… She just needs to point out the illogicalities, like she did with the health minister yesterday regarding curfews..
Just by doing that she can wake people up!

Wish I could watch this but just looking at him makes me physically sick

Hancock could not lie straight in bed…

I have never been closer to a nervous breakdown. I literally can’t cope any longer with the torture they are putting us through. I will never forgive what they are doing to our country, our children’s futures and the hundreds of thousands of lives and livelihoods that are being and will be lost for no reason.

It may sound trite but I would recommend focusing on you, even doing something like starting to do flexible exercises and basic strength training. Eat better and walk more. It sounds trite like I said but there is little we can do except endure. Keep chipping away by example. Because when this shit hits the fan it will be the strong and the strong-willed who survive.

Good advice, but things are now very serious indeed.

The UK government, like many others, is clearly working to an external agenda, that is not remotely in the interests of the UK population. We have effectively been sold out to the globalist cabal and are to be offered up as a sacrifice to those who simply want to see a lot less of us around. Not too good for us, but very good for the planet as the globalists see it as an effective way of reducing environmental pollution. The population cull will be achieved under the aegis of the liability free Covid-19 vaccines. All very neat and easy, when you think about it.

You have my sympathy and I can only recommend you focus in on yourself and try to control what you can control.

I think that is one of my issues- I am normally very much in control of our lives. I can’t bear not being in control of anything. The injustice of it all is stifling.

Yes, I’m similar and really not doing great at the moment. I somehow convinced myself that it would all be over no later than September – my university would reopen I would have my normal life back but now it seems like there is no end is sight and my life depends on incoherent, illogical diktats from the kind of people who think they are oh, so clever for having understood a high-school-level Maths concept of exponential growth and trying to scare everyone with it. It’s all very frustrating and depressing.
( https://twitter.com/carlheneghan/status/1305865292447391744 )

Same with me, I’ve been very close to crying this week, it’s all just getting worse by the day and I’m now really struggling to cope with it.

I agree with all the other advice, but would add, “try prayer.” And don’t forget Dr Vernon Coleman’s advice – “You are not on your own, although it can feel that way.” I am grateful to Lockdown Sceptics for keeping me sane (or at least preventing me from a deeper slide into madness.

If it doesn’t then they’ll just say their measures worked. If it does they’ll say it would have been much worse without them but we must double down.

This will only end with mass Civil disobedience when the economy collapses.The only other hope is that Johnston is deposed by the Tory party before this happens

Turn off the news, dare I say, step away from this forum and please go for a long walk in a favourite place…

I dont watch the news but my family have asked that I dont spend so much time on here so you echo that sentiment. Thank you for your concern and support.

I’m sorry you feel how you do, as I understand it totally and am too in a bad place. All the advice given has been excellent. My problem is that as I get more depressed the things that would be good for me such as exercise, healthy eating etc just go out of the window. Let’s try and stay strong and hope that the madness ends before too long.

For anyone who needs a good laugh right now:

https://twitter.com/russellhoward/status/1199387345247715328?lang=en

Great.

Two cannibals are eating Russell Howard.

One turns to other and says, “Does this taste funny to you?”

The other one replies, sternly “No. No, it doesn’t”.

HAHAHAHA!

so one then said .. “fancy an indian instead? .”
Other replies “no ,, I tried that Nish Kumar.. completely tasteless and made me sick” .

The Aaronovitch argument is a sinister abuse of the public safety point – no more – and typical of social authoritarian leftists. Clearly, he hasn’t left Marxism that far behind. It is no more dangerous to deny government propaganda than to break wind in a desert. If the government has a case, it will prevail; if it does not, it will – rightfully – fail. Aaronovitch, like all of his cast of mind, clearly doesn’t trust the public to discern truth from falsehood; nor is he much interested in the right to be wrong – the most important right in a democracy; the one from which all others flow. Gradually, the left is returning to type – elitist, authoritarian, Utopian and irrational – and all in the name of equality, liberty and reason! Never has there been a greater irony perpetrated by history at the expense of mankind than the sorry story of the Left.

Your post points to what I have thought for a while, in that this is a battle far greater than covid, but over what sort of society we wish to be. The Aaronovitchs of this world have seen their chance to exert their control, while the rest of society as to wake up. A titanic struggle is underway.

Aaronovitch ‘left’? Sorry – but simply trying to fit this shit-show to simple minded political prejudices is gormless – particularly in the context that the prime movers are right-wing Tories, whoever else is complicit. And I excuse none.

I think the prefix “neo” is where the defining line is. Neo-conservative, Neo-Liberal. Obviously, that fences in the establishment of both sides. The Left, however, has done a much better job of brainwashing their side into the Establishment than the Right, and those on the Left (such as myself) have merely abandoned all and feel disenfranchised. I have recently been accused of going “so far Left that I’ve gone Alt-Right,” which they meant as “so far Left I’m now a fascist,” clearly missing the point that I now see socialism for what it is.

The old labels do not fit anymore and haven’t for a while.The actual dividing line is Nationalist/Globslist.Freedom is not possible under a Globalist technocratic government.we are in an embryonic stage and you can see where this is heading.Wef and UN Agenda21/30 are quite clear and open about their aims.

“ the prime movers are right-wing Tories “

Whenever you try to pull off this bit of personal wishful thinking, Rick, you need to be reminded of who were the real “prime movers”, from the crucial moment back in March when this government was bullied and panicked out of following pretty much the Swedish road. (And granted, it’s shameful and pathetic that a newly elected government with a solid majority should let itself be bullied, but nevertheless.)

““ On Friday morning the pressure on Mr Johnson and his scientific and medical advisers to take more drastic action more quickly grew when opposition leaders, including Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn , challenged England’s deputy chief medical officer Jenny Harries and minister of care Helen Whately on why the UK was taking such a different approach to other countries.

An official with knowledge of the meeting said Ms Harries “came under sustained pressure” and “the meeting was quite fractiou s”.”

UK’s chief scientific adviser defends ‘herd immunity’ strategy for coronavirus

Or not really…..

‘French President Emmanuel Macron told British Prime Minister Boris Johnson on Friday that he would close the border if the U.K. did not take more restrictive measures to contain the coronavirus.

“We had prepared the closure of our border and told Prime Minister Johnson we would implement it that day if there was no evolution [of British measures],” a senior French official……’

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/22/france-border-coronavirus-uk-141402

The smoking gun.

https://archive.is/tEDTz

Here is M Levitt’s DT article in full as an alt for the paywall DT

An absolute must read!!!!!

The rule of six has been in place four days.

Lockdown North East 11.5 hours.

So why have Whitty and co already started planning for even more when these measures may actually have some benefit.

Plus the restrictions on care homes being announced today.

Doesn’t any MP ask that basic question?

No, because they have all slithered from the same cesspit.

Based on what they claimed in the past you would need 10 to 14 days to gauge the effectiveness of a given policy, but they previously opted for 3 weeks.

Now it appears unless you see instant impact you need to double down.

Because it’s all been decided. Everything now just reinforces the group think.

They only gave social distancing a week before announcing the lockdown.

My thought for the day: All dromedaries are camels, but not all camels are dromedaries.

Indeed, oh wise one. But, the Ship of the Desert is not as much fun as a Ship full of Dessert.
<gets coat>

Called ships of the desert for a different reason.
Mainly because they’re filled with Arab se(a)man…

You are a bad man lol

Does anyone know anything about this site? ‘The Mirror Project’ – Possibly a bit too conspiracy theorist for many.. but does have some interesting information. Actively pushing for petitions. Very slick production values.. not important, I know, in the scheme of things but may help by looking more ‘official’ – maybe some journalists are finally fighting back!
https://www.mp-22.com/

Yes interesting site Czar and pretty well put together as you said. I didn’t get a feeling of conspiracy theories, (though i didn’t watch the videos so maybe missed them) but mainly the existing petitions that are going around.

This is the ‘who we are page’ – could be interesting to follow …

https://www.mp-22.com/who-are-we :

“We worked in the mainstream media (news & documentaries) for many years.

We’ve been to conflict zones, covered wars, and seen things, slowly we started piecing the puzzle together.

When the “Pandemic” started we’ve witnessed the mainstream media from the inside trying to push a certain narrative on everyone, including us.

We could not participate knowingly, so we left.

We left to organise and find legal ways to fight back.

And it all starts with educating the public.

Our identities will remain anonymous for now, this is to protect us, and more importantly protect the project in its infant stages.

We already have had a lot of harassment.

We have no financial gain in all this, in fact so far we’ve been funding the project from our pockets.

We need to all work collectively and gather hard evidence in order to take action and put an end to all this.”

Thanks for the reply Sue.. appreciated.

I did receive a message from a good friend who made the point that there do seem to be loads of typos with the link information.

Not an issue for messages or blogs but looks really bad for a site that claims to be rectifying ‘misleading’ information.

I have contacted them to see if they are aware of this.

Toby Young is right to not encourage conspiracy theories on this site as it can cloud the main message… but there’s a lack of decent analysis out there.. and this is at least actively encouraging people to sign the right petitions.

Any port.. and all that…

As a self employed person, who qualifies for no financial help, and has a job that I cant do during a lockdown, I wonder how the expect me to get through the next lockdown financially, this is pure evil. They have no thought to the collaterol damage they are causing, they have tunnel vision. Years of paying tax, and taking nothing out and I am left to rot.

Boris and friends are rich toffs, that have not got a clue what it’s like to be a normal person.

Oh yes, they do….. they do experiments with them at Eton, burning £100 notes in front of them. They know all about poor and normal people!

That’s Harrow. Eton use share certificates for that.

I want all my tax money back. Not just for this year. For every year.

They’ve already spent all your taxes and any tax you might have paid in the next ten years or so. Great isn’t it, they are spending our money, in order to wage a savage war against us. They must be laughing their socks off, once away from the public eye.

This will be the conversation around the desks in parliament. ” Good morning chaps and chappeses. The majority of the public have fallen for all this crap hook line and sinker, all that is needed is to keep up the scare tactics. What should we talk about this morning then?, yes let’s think up some new buzz words and phrases to throw out there”. I’ve had an absolute belly full of all the lies and control, I just despair that so many more people are not questioning the narrative more. My siblings who I have always thought of as intelligent people think everything the government is doing is for the greater good! Give me strength, I wish I was religious as it might give me some comfort.

“Mind how you go in the House, there are cameras in there, so resume the social distance”

https://twitter.com/JohnDStats/status/1306901203729739778

An impressive timely graphs.Cases and deaths C-19 Europe and testing.Now more cases in Europe than during March April but look at deths and the amount of testing.

I see Van Morrison is one of us, according to a horrible sneering review at the increasingly dreadful Telegraph:

“No more lockdown / No more government overreach / No more fascist bullies / Disturbing our peace,”

Let’s just run that through the Speak-o-Vax:

“Dangerous conspiracy theorist ‘singer’ releases vile granny killing anthem”. There we go.

You are funny, Sam Vimes. You’ve been making me laugh for months.

Well, thank you. One tries.

He will now receive the Morissey non person treatment from the BBC and their mates.

“ Hospitals told to clear beds for coronavirus spike in two weeks ”

are the beds not already clear?

Yes they are. But, if you were someone who didn’t realise that (say you have a thick woolly pelt), you would just see this as more frightening evidence of the ‘spike’.

I thought we still had the Nightingales for that!

They dismantled the nightgale hospitals

Oh OK I must have missed that. I thought some had been booked until next year though.