2020-09-25

First!

Tsk.

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Two thirds in a week, not bad

The few have become the many

Now we all know what it’s like to be fucked and abandoned by the pig dictator

LoL I just woke up for a widdle and I can’t believe people have commented already!

Take comfort in the fact that the bedwetters didn’t get up for a widdle

I saw the pixies when I was in college… Fun show.

These updates drop at about 7:00pm my time, so if I wait until morning, there’s about 1200 comments and I’m way behind!

You’ll have to become a night owl in order to join us larks!

Or change time zones

tell all Your college friends about this site this affects all of us what this Government is doing

One of my fave bands Well, they were. Their new stuff is wank

(Frank is NOTHING without Kim)

and you checked the comments page while having a widdle!

Hope she washed her hands!

I didn’t! Oh my god, am I gonna die??!?

I am one of those sad, sad indviduals who checks their phone as soon as they wake up. Even if it’s at 3am and I’m half asleep :/

Dammit!

Those of us who have escaped to foreign lands have an advantage

Britain is a foreign land at the moment.

Quite, we are now the Socialist Republic of EUtopia.

‘ Exposure Notification Feature ‘

What? It tells you when your fly is undone?

“Thanks, Siri. Why were you looking, by the way?”

Rishi V. johnson. Please don’t tell me the extension of the nonsense just reflects a power struggle within the conservative party.

Was johnson got at during his stay at Chequers before lockdown, like Gorbachev isolated on the Black Sea as the communist old guard tried to stage a coup?

You ride out the shitstorm boris and I’ll take over when it looks good.

i have come to the conclusion that Johnson and his whole cabinet of shit must now go and Labour

The people of Britain are living under a brutal dictatorship

The BBC runs a story that a rat has won an award

Note to me. Ring this morning and reserve a special place in hell for them

You’re way late, a whole suite is waiting for them and the fires are stoked every morning.

Do you have booking reference number?

Sadly no, but I’m told the booking is non-cancellable and the dates can’t be changed: from now to eternity. And they will be greeted at the gates if Hell by special Covid Marshal Demons, who will hand them fiery, non-disposable face masks that can never be taken off.
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Indeed. I also saw somewhere that the ‘Docs4OpenDebate’ letter signed by nearly 2000 anti-lockdown doctors and health professionals in Belgium has been censored as ‘false information’ on Facebook. Is this true? I deactivated my Facebook so I can’t check but it’s absolutely outrageous if so.

Facebook sensors EVERYTHING, they are working in LOCKSTEP you see, along with all other media platforms, as demanded by the Rockefeller institute back in 2010.

https://www.nommeraadio.ee/meedia/pdf/RRS/Rockefeller%20Foundation.pdf

The link is blocked for me.

humm interesting, have you got your ISP’s family content filter on by any chance?

No, in Russia and it seems the website where it is hosted is blocked.

humm interesting. Try a vpn? you should be able to find this document pretty easily anyway from somewhere else. This is what you are looking for. A must read.

I deactivated FB over 2 years ago for banni g and deplatforming people for speaking the truth.

there needs to be an alternative to facebook and twitter these two companies deserve to die

Covid is the new woke. Unless you’re onboard with the accepted narrative, it’s false/fake news. No one wants to hear anything that upsets their worldview and safe space.

Matt Handcnut won an award? When? What for?

The Telegraph is being disingenuous when it says ‘cases are at near record levels’.
Back in March ‘cases’ were people who were genuinely ill, needing to be hospitalised and in some cases dying.

Now, as we all know, the vast majority of cases are of people so asymptomatic they don’t even know they have it.

I find it exhausting and infuriating that they all just keep banging on at the same misconceptions again and again. Conflating cases with infections; misunderstanding the FPR; the phrase “second wave”; ONLY EVER using raw “case” (sc. infection) numbers as the basis for everything, ignoring hospitalisation and death numbers and concealing the vast discrepancy in numbers tested between April and now. They just never listen to anyone. PMQs was a revolting spectacle. They were talking about all the wrong things, having all assumed the wrong thing about the important things. It isn’t just a Parliament of Vacuum Cleaners, sucking the life out of debate instead of feeding it – it’s an entire elite of them.

You seem to be suggesting that they are thick as shit. Where on earth did you get that idea

They are doing what Gates tells them to do and that is bad news for us. Johnson, Hancock and some others wear the mask of incompetence as cover for what they are really up to. Gates is all about depopulation through vaccination. He must be laughing his socks off.

Gates cannot say a sentence without giggling and chuckling his way through it, neither can his evil wife.

We’ve noticed that too and Dave Cullen dissects it brilliantly here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3iVEK1USe4 (watch from 10 minutes in for Bill Gates but the whole video is excellent, if you haven’t already seen it.)

And now Fatboy Johnson has started emulating his ‘master’ (see his body-language in the Nuremberg Rally speech on Tuesday). MW

That is a very good watch that video. Scary as hell.

Hopefully history will repeat itself and Nuremberg Rally will lead to Nuremberg trial.

Easily achieved with pharmaceuticals. Makes him seem benign and cheerful to the masses.

That gleeful giggling doesn’t suggest anything benign to me!

Not sure about depopulation through vaccine. Certainly we will get it through social distancing.

We are being trained to see other humans as dangerous infectious creatures to be avoided. I cannot image the damage this is doing to young people now and in the long run. But I fully expect a severe drop in births this year and in the coming years.

They were talking about all the right things if the aim is to keep the lockdown pantomime on the road.
Question is why do almost all the MPs go along with it? They are not all thick.

Shares in vaccine companies

I suspect it’s because no one has the guts to expose themselves to the inevitable volley of “but people are DYING” outrage. Because the truth, on that subject, doesn’t sound good. Unless Andrew Scott is saying it.

https://youtu.be/YdUenkd8Hwg?t=26

Their careers

Happens when you change all the definitions midstream and rely on the fact that people are still under March assumptions.

I saw a chart in a local paper today that tried to prove that our cases have fallen due to masks. Infuriating as hell, because I know people won’t even question it.

That’s all part of their clever plan, our fault if things go bad, they claim the credit if they don’t.

“the vast majority of cases are of people so asymptomatic they don’t even know they have it.”

That’s why testing is SO important!

We must TEST TEST TEST!!!

(sarc warning :-\)

“We must test, test, test – or there will be MILLIONS who will suffer the unspeakable horror of a having no symptoms! People will be REMAINING WELL in droves! Do you plebs not understand this?”

It’s good ‘propaganda speak’ learned at the best schools in Russia.

Jeremy Vine back in line.

Todays phone in was all about how sad people were that their nan couldn’t download the NHS app because she’s got an old phone or none at all.

Yesterday’s about the 10pm pub curfew wasn’t about whether it was a useful thing to do but whether or not pub goers had themselves to blame for ignoring social distancing. (They were, apparently ).

I hate Jeremy Vine. His show is like brain-floss, He is the idiot’s Idiot. I cannot listen to any more than about 5 seconds of JV, utterly moronic.

From the roundup.
Nice of Janet Street Porter to catch up with what we’ve been saying for months about the effects of ineffective lockdown.
Pity she ends by saying that only a vaccine will save us but nothing about herd immunity.

She’s a c*nt, who cares what she thinks?

Why do you think she’s a c*nt?

Don’t knock her, at least she’s speaking out.

I don’t always agree with JSP but she does seem to speak her mind and to be unafraid of going against the prevailing orthodoxy.

I wouldn’t knock her even if you paid me.

It’s a start and it bought the trollbots out in full force, so she must have worried someone.

Long time lurker. Just joined tonight, so, hi all; thanks for keeping me sane.

I know this was posted yesterday, but this has to be at the top of the comments so everyone, who hasn’t seen it, sees it.

“Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab says the “challenge” with testing for #COVID19 in airports is ‘the very high false positive rate’ and adds ‘only 7% of tests will be successful in identifying those who have the virus’.”

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1308655561081225217

Welcome!

Welcome Ceriain.
I missed that yesterday.
Probably already been said but does that mean people who land at airports have a different Covid or is the test different or is that “challenge” the same everywhere as they keep denying ?

Welcome to the land of the sane!

Welcome to this oasis of sanity and rationality!

Welcome to the House of Sanity! Carl Vernon pointed this out on one of his YouTube vids. Why ISN’T this being discussed?

Thank you all for the lovely welcome.

That’s just mental. So tests not reliable at airports but a-ok for locking cities down.

What really stands out, apart from the mendacity of these government thugs, is the low calibre of the news reporters and interviewers. A follow up question is screaming out to be posed and yet nothing.

The media is worse than useless.

they know what a FPR is when it suits them!

Hello, trouble sleeping so I tried counting Covid stats, if it is of any interest;
Stats for NHS England;
Serves population 56 million
For the 7 days 16th to 22nd September
Total number of ‘Covid’ patients admitted to English hospitals 1571
Total number of ‘Covid’ patients recorded as in English hospitals
Went up from 894 on16th to 1335 on 22nd a rise of 441
For these 7 days the number of Covid deaths was 116
That leaves 1014 admissions not accounted for by deaths and the rise in total numbers in hospital.
I can only assume that these 1014 were patients who got better and were discharged and went home.
I have heard Hapless Hancock talk despairingly about the numbers being admitted to Hospital but really that needs to be offset against the people getting well and being discharged.
Also I note that the increase over these 7 days is somewhat less than the doubling he talked about

They are testing everyone admitted to hospital

They are not admitted because of covid

Involved in a road accident and admitted?

‘ We’ve tested you and you have covid’

‘ No i don’t I’ m here because I got run over by a bus’

‘ Listen mate, if we say you got covid then you got fucking covid. Now shut the fuck up and eat your mashed potato’

What if our bus run over person dies five days later from their injuries?

Yep, right first time, they a are recorded as a hospital covid death

Remember where you heard it first

THERE ARE NO HOSPITAL COVID DEATHS

Also explains ‘covid’ patients on ventilators

Haha first belly laugh today

Twenty three of those cases from the University ward here, might have brought it from home but more probably from socialising, ‘partying’ or, horror of horrors, moving around campus in groups of more than the magic number SIX.
Being students few if any of them will become ill let alone ‘need’ to be hospitalised but in the current atmosphere who knows what might be done to bump up the numbers.

and upto 60% of covid patients didn’t have covid when they were admitted.
Probably out after 10pm in large groups of 7

How many people on a ward?

The UK is the only ciuntry that never reports statistics for Covid recoveries. You just stay coviddy fir ever and ever.

Uplifting update, today.

I could see the dominoes falling, soon.

Hopefully not the dominoes of the surveillance state that is being set up crashing onto us and suffocating us…

One of the things that is most disturbing about this entire period is the way it has changed how we feel about death. My father died of complications arising from the flu, but I never would have dreamed of saying that society should put itself on hold to prevent the spread of the flu virus. I wrote a post about it here: https://medium.com/@civitasperegrina/death-in-2020-666a97057d35

Exactly the same for me my Mum died Xmas Eve 2017 of complications from contracting flu while in hospital she also like vast majority of had other underlying issues and was near to end of life ,so when a smart arse tells me “you wouldn’t think that if you lost a loved one to this disease” they get my reply and you see them backtrack pretty quickly

I know a now long-retired GP who would freely tell you that for years GPs referred to pneumonia as “the old person’s friend”.

There are PhDs in pyschology/sociology/philosophy to be written in years to come about how distorted our view of mortality has become and how it has become subservient to a more holistic view of what it means to be human and the value placed on lifelong mental and physical “wellness”.

It is truly fascinating. In its quest for extension of life our society is actually dehumanising itself.

I suppose it is rational in so far as dying is intrinsic to being human. These tech billionaires aggressively pursuing the indefinite prolongation of life, like Ray Kurzweil and his team at Google, know that their consciousness can only live on in a non-human form, so they probably have no qualms about abandoning humanity. Society as a whole seems to be moving in that direction also. People seem to want to live even if the cost is abandoning their humanity.

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I have argued the very same thing. My mother died from a flu – her health was severely compromised already – and it never occurred to me to hold the person who may have passed the bug onto her responsible. That is life. Or at least it was…

Note to Mrs Dick

Early to bed tonight

Big day ahead of you tomorrow

https://tomwoods.com/ep-1741-harvard-medical-school-prof-martin-kulldorff-lockdowns-not-the-answer/

Interview with Prof Martin Kulldorff of Harvard Medical School. He says most infectious disease epidemiologists actually agree that an age-targeted approach to covid would be better, but they are drowned out by “vocal” scientists from other fields.

Will Jones obviously not a fan of F1. It’s POLE position dude.

I assumed that was an attempted pun – something to do with polling support from other Tories?

I noticed and wondered too!

Pret have started asking those without a mask to put one on having previously had a no mask, we won’t ask policy. I said I’m exempt and they asked for my “document”. I said there are no “documents”. I took it up with the manager and they suggested that I wear a badge. I then told them about the Equality Act and the sad history of certain parts of society having to wear badges.

Gosh, that is truly shocking! Asking you to wear a badge that is so bad and so sinister.

Hitler got rid of ‘mentality retarded’ and physically disabled people before he went for the Jews with enthusiastic assistance of the medical profession, eager to pursue their eugenics programs.

I watched a documentary on this a few days back. The nurses and doctors in Germany were complicit in killing all these people and a lot of young children, as well as forced sterilisation. They did all this without any dissent, much like we are seeing during this COVID.

It made me wonder if this was the same thing that has happened with all the elderly that died during March – June, and they’re just as complicit in not speaking up and allowing all these non COVID excess deaths.

Care homes got a lot of bad press when stories of deaths there came out early on.
They were blamed for putting profits over safety.
That came to an end when NHS culpability was revealed.

The Corona Boat floats on a sea of death and it has a deep draught.

Aren’t these the same people complaining that encouraging people to work from home is going to destroy their business? Couldn’t happen to a more deserving company as far as I’m concerned.

Yes but there is no other way, ask my son who is exempt from face nappies because of panic attacks and works in retail.

There is always another way.

Yes a nice yellow star would seem appropriate

With exempt written in the centre

And a film will, play in all cinemas: The Eternal Exempt.

Or a pink triangle. Either is fully effective at demonising a small section of the population; it begins with one section, and it never ends.

Film it next time and tell them they have broken privacy and disability laws

Rather bizarre that they’re complaining about declining revenue because of offices shut and non-existent train travel and now they’re trying to drive away paying customers.

Do they not realise the inherent contradiction here?

If that’s the case then they deserve to go bust. Shame as I will miss their savoury croissants and flat white.

Yes keep out of Pret, which nows seems ready to go bust.

I saw a notice outside a cafe this week asking politely for masks for be worn. It said potentially £200 for individual not wearing mask/£10,000 fine for the venue. Whether that is true or not, I believe that they were saying what they believed to be the situation. I think the government is making it really really difficult for businesses to take a relaxed approach about this, even if the business owner wants to.

Well done for holding your ground though – all that for a bloody overpriced sandwich!

It’s not true, but I can see how it could easily be misinterpreted that way. As long as the venue is complying with all the nonsense Covid secure rules, they don’t get fined. These include, I assume, the new rules about staff wearing masks (note, exemptions still apply), but nobody but the punters get fined if the punters don’t wear masks.

I assume the confusion is deliberate and an attempt to get shops and hospitality venues to enforce mask wearing more enthusiastically.

I’m much more concerned about making a trip to the pub mask less than I ever have been about making a trip to a shop bare faced. I think this is partly because I actually have some kind of human relationship with the staff at my local (albeit very casual), so I’m going to feel more guilty if I claim exemption. I do have (very mild) asthma and so a legitimate technical exemption, but I have absolutely no idea whether this actually makes it difficult for me to wear a mask because I’ve never tried, so I am in fact lying if I say I’m exempt. I’ll probably build up to giving it a go over the weekend and we’ll see, but the assumption that they’ll think they’re also liable for a fine makes it more concerning.

DON’T DO IT! You will feel like you have compromised your integrity. It’s not worth it.

I disagree. I think the rules, designed to terrify people, should be broken, as an act of civil duty. I would feel I was compromising my own integrity if I did willingly wear a mask.

Thanks for clearing that up Matt, I did wonder about it and also think the confusion seems deliberate.

Almost certainly it is and true to form for this shifty and shitty government.

Here’s chapter-and-verse from Law or Fiction on this very issue:

Who will enforce this?

In practice, controllers of premises have been responding to threatening behaviour from Environmental Health officers, telling them that health and safety laws require them to keep their premises “Covid Secure”. (We have a contrary view: Risk assessments: an important chink in the lockdown armour, but the threats have been and remain effective in practice.)

Employers and controllers of premises seem likely to require face covering to be worn and an individual who objects will need to be acquainted with the reasonable excuse exemptions above and Low mood – a reasonable excuse to ignore coronavirus restrictions.

Police, police community support officers, TfL officers, and any other person designated by the Secretary of State for Health are the ‘relevant persons’ who can issue Fixed Penalty Notices in theory. Significantly, unlike other regulations, ‘relevant persons’ do not include persons designated by Local Authorities. The enforcement of wearing face covering will, therefore, be mostly by fear and intimidation but with likely very few fines being issued.

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The regulations do not and cannot trump discrimination law

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What should businesses do?

Businesses and their staff are best advised not to challenge those who refuse to wear a face covering . Otherwise, at some point in the day there is likely to be a time when someone with a disability is challenged. Depending on how the situation develops, and this could be within minutes or seconds, a situation may arise when the business, and the person conducting the challenge, may find they have committed:

• an offence for which they are liable on summary conviction to pay a fine of up to £5,000 – section 112 (Aiding contraventions) of the Equality Act 2010; and/or

• an act of disability discrimination and be ordered to pay to any individual who suffers injury to feelings compensation between £900 and £9,000 – section 119 (Remedies) of the Equality Act 2010

I hope this helps. @matt , do not get bogged down in technicalities. If you really don’t want to wear a mask and I know you are acquainted with the arguments as you are a ‘regular’, you have a reasonable excuse in law. You can let your local sort themselves out, you are not responsible for them. Trying to make us feel ‘responsible’ for others when it is not appropriate is part of the psy-op. MW

I’m glad you have cited this. Today I went on my first tube journey since this lunacy started and decided I was going to tough it out without a mask. I have followed the links from the mask section of the daily LS updates about masks and the law but it wasn’t until I was on the train that I discovered the Law or Fiction website. What a find. Exactly what I had hoped to find. Anyway, I went for a long return tube ride and didn’t even get a second look, so never had to have an argument or show someone the documentation to prove that THEY would be the party breaking the law.

Nevertheless, I didn’t see a SINGLE person on the train (and I walked past many carriages) not wearing a mask of some kind. Two or three below the nose but that was it.

It is quite incredible how many people are clearly incapable of investigating this for themselves. I simply don’t believe they all approve of the ‘rules’.

This is part of the fucking Cressida Dick “nudge” element of this monstrous psy-op; as she herself said, she hoped it would be enforced by people shaming each other. Not her exact words, but the clear intention was there.

Are you sure about business responsibility? They have not been thus far.

They are not. Please see my reply to Matt, above. MW

Just backtracked and read that, thank you Miriam-sometimes-AlanG.

If Pret continue doing this, they will close down altogether. Already had to close branches and sack staff.

I’d have told them that they risk a £9,000 fine under the 2010 Equality Act which OVERIDES the diktats under the Coronavirus Act, for discriminating against me – LaworFiction has an excellent procedure you can download or copy if any business is pushing their bloody luck with you, which you can call them out on. And I would have told them (politely) where they in future can keep their sandwiches!

As I said the other day, when I go to the shops I’m now taking copies of the Law or Fiction pages as well as my exemption badge. So far I haven’t needed to produce the pages.

One suspects the Pret in Trafalgar Square won’t be doing this tomorrow …

Went to Itsu today. Much better experience. No questions and their staff use visors not masks, so at least you get a smile. By the way, central London is almost dead now. Restaurants closing having just reopened and gained a small toe hold that has now been obliterated. With that and the closure of UCH and Royal Free A&E to CHILDREN, I’m waiting for the backlash. Once children start dying because of overcrowding at the Whittington or because the ambulance takes too long to get them there, maybe the public will realise that this can’t go on.

One to boycott!

If I am challenged by anyone apart from the few lovely business-owners that I normally frequent, I show my lanyard and shout “I am exempt! What part of that don’t you understand?” It is highly effective. I will not be challenged by “sheeple”.

Raj Bhopal’s response to the two open letters should be front page news in the mainstream media.

VACCINE WON’T SAVE US
Vaccines will not be proven to be safer for children and young people than the infection for some years, if ever. Two adenovirus-based vaccines have already been shown to have important side-effects that mimic COVID-19 infection — i.e. fever, pain, fatigue and headache – the side-effects have been glossed over. The side effects are occurring in 70-80% of fit people in the young adult and middle age groups. We really must know whether it is effective in people over 70 years. A vaccine is not going to be a panacea. There will be resistance and it will be contested, including in the courts, as by sheer coincidence people will die or become seriously ill shortly after receiving the vaccine and will blame it.

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3702/rr-2

so 80% of fit young people have no symptoms of the disease but 80% have side effects from the cure?
Double plus good

Yay, they will then go to be tested, be found to have dead virus, and be locked up, along with their fsmilies and colleagues and anyone else they’ve been seen with.

Which is why many medics resist pressure to take the normal annual flu vaccine.
Interesting to see their position to any Covid vaccine they might come up with.

And reports are that the vaccine will, at best, be 50% effective or only reduce the symptoms. At best.

Am I missing something? How is it a good thing that Sunak becomes PM? He’s been complicit and his scheme is costing millions and will now only support viable businesses yet the unviable ones are only so because of their lockdown policy, i.e. the government has made them unviable!

It’s my daughter’s 16th birthday today. Never would I have thought that we’d still be in local lockdown or any kind of lockdown. She can’t have friends or family round so we’re having to be creative to do something nice for her where they can all meet up, which I think she’ll enjoy but it’s not the same.

I’m finding it hard to stay positive, as a Christian I anchor my hope, faith and trust in Jesus as He is unchanging, this is great but it is still a struggle!

My thoughts exactly, and wasn’t he stating the source for the economy and jobs would have to adapt to the new normal. This chap is not our friend. Also a Christian, but we don’t even have the church supporting us against the current assault on our liberties and society, at least in the old iron curtain days, Poland especially had the Church’s support.

Has there ever before been a situation where in a time of crisis, the Church responded by shutting churches? I’m not a worshipper, but I do appreciate churches as places of peace, comfort, charity and, if you’re a prayer, prayer. I found it extraordinary and ludicrous that the Archbishop of Canterbury banned services. “For where two or three are gathered in my name, provided that they are social distancing and wearing masks and do not sing, there am I on Zoom.”

Too true, alas. The treachery and cowardice of the churches is the worst blow the present tyranny has dealt to Christians.

That one made me laugh. Well done.

My nan got told by her friend that she is not a “good Christian” for not wearing a mask after 50 odd years of going to church. Did not take that very well!

HUH, funny how Christians cannot see the unbridled EVIL at work. I thought Christians had a finely tuned sense of Evil. Isn’t that the whole point of it??

You could argue that they are no longer Christian, when they show so little faith.

Many “Christians” are merely virtue signallers.

The Churches sold their souls for the biblical thirty pieces of silver.

The Church has never closed its doors.
Christians have met through times of peace and war.
I agree that Sunak is not an improvement. No one who has held a senior cabinet position during this crisis is worthy of the job. Whilst I’m sure some of them privately disagree, and are bound by collective responsibility. But if the way this has been handled isn’t a resigning matter – what would be?

Jesus is with us.
Jesus didn’t tell people to hide away in gibbering terror of death.
Jesus didn’t turn away sick people today in case other people got ill tomorrow.
Jesus didn’t hide behind a mask.
Jesus didn’t tell people to treat their neighbours as walking bags of disease.
Jesus accompanies us through danger, persecution and even death.
The church may have abandoned us, but Jesus has not.
Stay with him.

Toby linked to this a while back. Good read. Especially as this is largely a British forum, makes me think of “the great divorce” and “screwtape letters.” More the latter.

https://mchurley.com/an-enemy-hath-done-this/

Screwtape must be planning the biggest party Hell has ever seen, and looking forward to dining on Roast Archbishop of Canterbury.

I’m not sure Satan will allow casual visitors, but if so, please may I have two tickets to watch him fry?

Thanks, I’ll have a read later.

Thank you for this link. It is well worth a read and expresses my feelings exactly. I am encouraged that there are so many Christians, here and in the current fight for freedom. On Saturday 29th August, thousands of us prayed the Lord’s Prayer.

Thanks for this Annie, it’s really helpful, especially the bit about turning away the sick in case others got ill tomorrow. The leaders of my church have convinced themselves that meeting on Zoom is still meeting and that we’re not being told to go against what God commands us to do since the government’s intention is for the common good, it’s hard to watch how naive they are being and that they can’t see how cruel lockdowns are.

Church services on zoom feel like a mockery of the real thing. I felt perfectly safe in my church in March, a large building with just a few worshippers. I’m so happy we are open again. It took me a month to get there, though as they were so scared of giving lifts and the fact I’m exempt from masks.

Thanks Annie

Amen. Please tell that to my wife’s friends.

Sadly ironic that it is the hospitality industry that usually soaks up unemployment “until I get a proper job”.
Not this time it won’t.

Very good point karen. I suspect we’ll see a lot of window cleaners/gardeners/odd-job people/etc. springing up.

There’s always the prospect serving the community by being a Covid Marshal and you get to choose whether to wear a brown or a black shirt.

So agree with you on this, Sunak is certainly not the answer. And the church have been a disgrace. Not religious myself but, in times of crisis, I do find the quiet calm of a church reassuring.

Your poor daughter, I hope you do manage to find something nice do. What a wretched time to be a youngster.

Yeah, I really feel for her. I’m trying to remain positive, my wife is so much better at it than I am and will make it amazing, I struggle to hide my anger and frustration at having to bend around this nonsense.

Rather dubious about Sunak especially as he’s been bleating on about the “new normal” which will pretty much set us back to the Stone Age.

The Church has been a disgrace and a run in I had with a verger reinforces my view that they are nothing but a mouthpiece of the state.

Very sorry about your daughter and I do hope she has a good birthday despite the circumstances.

Thanks, I agree, even the independent evangelical body my church is effectively a mouthpiece of the state, their desire to follow the rules and be exemplary means that they’re circumventing what the bible teaches. It’s heartbreaking to watch.

I believe that even the Catholic church has gone the same way.

They remind me of the Pharisees and Saducees jockeying for position to see who is seen to be the best in following the Law of Moses to the letter. They’ve forgotten the message that Jesus preached.

Makes you yearn for the Second Coming to remind this lot of what their actual job is supposed to be.

Yeah, it is pharisaical.

So, not only is a new political party needed, but a new church as well.

I suggested to the minister here that he should hold outdoor meetings, a la John Wesley. (This was back in the summer.)

A group of like-minded people could start a church – don’t even need a minister to start with.

I’m sure she’ll have a great time. We’ll do all that we can to make sure that she has a nice day, my wife is pretty amazing at that sort of stuff. Thankfully we home educate so we don’t have to worry about all the nonsense going on in schools, some of my daughter’s friends have already been sent home because there has been a ‘case’ in the class or something! It’s probably just a cold for goodness sake!

Exactly. Well done you and agree she will have a great time.

I did think that what are the odds that these “cases” are just the usual colds that young people get every time school reopens?

All the more reason why schools and universities should be banging the drum of taking vitamin C, D and zinc as well as eating well, being outdoors, playing, sports,

No, the message is stay in your room all day, stay away from everybody, eat tinned food, pasta and noodles until a vaccine is produced.

That will produce a nation of obesity sufferers who will be at greater risk of dying from COVID. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy for the Establishment.

That, unfortunately, is so true.

I have to say that Steve Baker is my choice for PM. A Christian, an intelligent sane empathetic man and the main person fighting for our civil liberties in Parliament. I am going to be praying for him and all those in Parliament that are on the side of freedom and not big pharma. I am also praying all the plans of the evil tyrants and those scaring the population witless, boomerang back on them.
I think we are living through revelation, seeing the world as it really is, with 20/20 vision.

The problem is the present government in its entirety. Rearranging the deckchairs on SSTitanicUK won’t help one bit. All cabinet members are complicit in the Bill Gates inspired Covid-19 ultra scam and they should all be locked away awaiting trial for treason and possible death penalty. It really is that bad.

Back to work today to god knows what: snitchers, BID interference …

One of my Saturday staff got in touch yesterday worried about the mask diktat. She and her two colleagues are all LS but she says that, as she doesn’t have a medical issue and because she is worried that “it will take just one customer to complain”, she has decided she should wear a mask.

I went straight back to her and pointed out that if that was her only concern and if a mask were to cause her anxiety (I believe it would), then she most certainly does not have to wear one. I told her that we would deal with any reprisals.

But what an awful world these politicians have created where a youngster, trying to earn some money, feels pressurised in this way. Shame on you, shame on you.

p.s. Just read about Al Johnson potentially limping on fof a few more years – please no …

Bozo is just being kept in place to take the blame.

Boris he is like a big frayed at the seams old teddy bear, once loved by everybody but now threadbare and soggy, with dried up Weetabix ground into his fur.

He is one step away from the bin but he can’t be thrown out for sentimental reasons. He is still a popular toy in the toy box and many people like to haul him around by his tattered ears and occasionally punch him in he fat soggy belly as a stress reliever. So he still has a useful role.

thought that was handy cocks job

No. Hancock is there to be punched, hard, in the stomach as a voodoo totem, in the hope that it transfers to the intended victim.

I’m convinced he’ll be gone in the New Year after proper Brexit. He’ll resign on health grounds.

He has to be liked, so it is basic playground rules, the more people that call him names, criticise etc, the more unsound he’ll become.

He won’t want to resign – afterall he’s always wanted to be ‘world king’, but he will have to go.

My local corner shop has been a bit of a bastion of sanity. The owner was clearly fearful at the beginning (and he was clearly suffering from some kind of cold virus back in early April), but he’s kept going, kept himself stocked even when the cash and carry had its shelves stripped. Most importantly, despite going in once a day at least, I’ve only ever seen one person (the local vet) in there with a mask on.

So I was worried what I’d find when I went in yesterday.

But there he was, no mask, no mention of masks, all as normal (except he’s moved to a smaller size of olive oil bottle, which I pointed out is fine for the extra virgin stuff, but no good for the cooking stuff).

Anyway, my point is, he’s clearly not worried about snitches and nor should you be, KH. Keep doing what you’re doing. You’ll have pride of place in the Hall of Sane when all of this is over.

Similar at my convenience store, the younger partner now wearing a visor while stocking shelves, the older one without a mask, probably claiming exemption (who am I to ask !).

Please, let’s all shop in places like that as much as we possibly can.

Or, of course, you could go to Asda and be ‘greeted’ at the door by a posse of thugs who will thrust a mask on you and demand that you pay for a packet of the filthy rags when you leave.

Indeed. And I wonder what the mark-up is on those “filthy rags”.

And proudly States on the back – not to be used as ppe

Really? Again, I despair …

Yes, I picked up a packet at the till of my local Morrisons and saw it on the small print on the back. Had a good laugh to myself, most people know this hence why we see them stuffing them in pockets, hanging off arms or ears, rear view car mirrors and stuffed in handbags.

Nearly all want to be seen as saving mankind, the global warming trick hasn’t worked as most people still drive a car and go on foreign holidays.

Wearing a mask is an extension of recycling their household cardboard but the irony is they park their bin on the drive in-between their 2 cars or 2 litre mercedes/Range Rover.

Wearing a mask makes them look and feel like a warrior in the fight for mankind wearing a pair of gloves as well makes them a general.

It also gives those who were bullied at school an opportunity to bully people without a mask.

It’s a win win for the government, classic self policing of a facist state.

And then there are those ‘but it’s the rules’ no hope for them.

All bollocks of course.

Phew, toast or cornflakes for breakfast???

In other words, its all virtue signalling crap.

What are the odds that when this is over, they will be so embarrassed with their virtue signalling that any photos of them in muzzles will be deleted and the bins will be full of discarded masks that are no longer needed?

Yes, I should of said that but you got my drift plus a good rant is good for the soul

Exactly and it was a good rant!

Like just before the fall of Communism the public bins were full of destroyed Party Membership cards

That is a good precedent.

I don’t think we’ll ever take them off again now, this is here to stay permanently.

I don’t think self reflection is their strong point.

These dicks will frame their bastard masks on the wall in their hallways.

It absolutely is virtue signalling on an epic scales. However, many are doing it unconsciously. Been having a back and forth on a local blog site with a lady who wants people with exemptions to consider not shopping (click and collect) or wearing a visor (yes, for the most deadly disease we’ve ever known). I think she should be the one to stay home and get a delivery but here was what the last exchange was. Its indicative of the thinking out there:

Her: “Upside down thinking. The 95%who support mask wearing however reluctantly should click and collect so that the 5% can do what they like/
When there are doubts and it is a matter of life and death you should encourage people to err on the side of caution.
You are prioritising personal choice over potential risk.
Do you think that everyone who doubts the value of masks should feel free to not wear one then and if so does this apply to all restrictions?”

Me: “No. The 95% you cite is a little disingenuous. The compliance level was minimal until the boss mandated it. So if everyone was all about the science (the WHO changed their guidance in July) of protecting each other how do you explain that? People are generally good citizens and will follow the guidance. If they said tomorrow that its all up to you, how many would still wear them? So I don’t accept that point at all.

Look, the original comment was regarding exemptions and we should respect that and move on. That’s the guidance. To challenge anyone on their eligibility to be exempt is breaking the law.

However, on the issue of potential risk vs personal choice. What exactly is the risk to the vast majority of people I ask you? On the back of a fag packet I say minimal, even less if you have no underlying conditions. How many people under 65 have died from this? Around 30 in Northern Ireland. If this has been around since January then we can say thats around 3 a month. 2,000+ die under 65 every year of other causes. Under 65s make up around 85% of the local population. That’s some quantification of risk. So the majority of people you encounter mask to mask will have other risks that are more pertinent to them in my opinion. And masks are unproven to be of any benefit as I keep saying.

But we absolutely want to protect the vulnerable. So let’s do that. Maybe open up the creative ideas to allow them priority for deliveries, shielder/over 65s times in shops/supermarkets/church services and maybe even pub nights. Because that will have much more of an effect in addressing matter than masks.”

Last bit is spot on – the muzzles don’t exactly inspire confidence. If they were then why are shops, pubs and restaurants still ghost towns? Not to mention rumours that its now hard to get delivery slots again? Could it be that more and more people refuse to kowtow to this nonsense any longer?

I’ve actually felt a change of atmosphere since the changes.Definitely more dirty looks in the shops for going maskless

I just forget everyone else’s bitching and concentrate on what I am doing. Unless they are paying for my goods they can mind their own

Great post!

My wife’s church-going friends are all bed-wetters of the first water. When the time comes for the Stasi round-up, they will eagerly help each other into the cattle-cars and make sure that the cattle-trucks are labelled Auchwitz to make sure they don’t inconvenience their lords and masters. Such people deserve everything that is coming to them.

That always cracks me up!

And surprise, surprise….Made in China!!!!

I looked into buying in bulk and the cost was 12p per mask, but you can imagine with the supermarket buying power they probably pay less that 5p per mask. No wonder supermarkets want you to wear them they’re making a huge profit on them.

Funny as they were at the front of the queue to get rid of single use plastic, my local area is full of the disgusting things left on the pavement, verges, bushes. I now have to do the dog shit/mask shuffle.

Yes, I find car parks are littered with discarded masks, surely a health hazard in itself.

I spotted 9 on a one mile walk yesterday

I had the same suspicion when the National Gallery jumped the gun and “recommended” then even before they were made mandatory and it was confirmed when I received an email from them informing me of their latest merchandise and yep, you can buy muzzles from them featuring 3 paintings from their permanent collection.

Sick.

“Excuse me madam, I just saw you handle your mask, you will need to replace it, they are available at the tills, £5.00 for 5”.

Thanks Matt. I’m just not sure if I can keep my cool if someone comes in to give me unsolicited ‘advice’ or harrasses one of my elderly customers (many of whom don’t really understand what the hell is going on).

A nice winning article about a shop in America that displayed a no masks in ere sign, had a flirt with trouble, but ended up very much on top -lawfully. A nice tip is where to display the mandatory signsge.

https://muchadoaboutcorona.ca/small-business-outwits-masking-bylaw/

You don’t cook with extra virgin ?!?! I am aghast.

Only really any good for dressings or sweating down onions; far too low a smoke point.

I mainly use it for haloumi, at low-medium heat. But always happy to learn. For seriously hot stuff, I use coconut oil. Feeling peckish now …

My OH would throw up at the thought of halloumi! If you need any inspiration, I have a boeuf bourguignon bubbling away in the slow cooker for friends coming round tonight….

Saturday jobs are a great way of easing youngsters into adulthood. With your encouragement perhaps this young lady will learn a very valuable lesson indeed: decide what you believe to be right and stand by it – that she doesn’t have to be scared of a few weak-minded critical voices.

It’s cruel that shop staff who worked from the start of lockdown and mostly decided not to wear masks must now do so 8-10 hours a day to, supposedly, placate the fears of bedwetter shoppers who only wear them for 10 or 30 minutes.

Exactly. I might be reminding people that when the hysteria started, I have been treating people as human beings (I know, criminal behaviour, warranting a visit from the rozzers) and I would like to be treated likewise.

Dealing with the public was hard enough (excluding lovely regulars and their dogs in this description) but this crapfest has added a whole extra layer of stress.

Cruel and surely against Health and safety rules, which have always applied to employees much more so than the general public. All ignored by the media, only interested in the 10pm pub closing story.

I agree that it’s inhumane. Unfortunately, the masks are about fearmongering people into compliance with tyranny and not to placate anyone. MW

Anxiety IS a medical issue.

I still can’t believe the shameful lack of opposition.
People like Jacob Rees Mogg, whilst not everyone’s cup of tea, seemed to have a sense of history and moral courage. Not afraid to speak out of a cause they believed right. They were quite prepared to show off their moral principles when they wanted to get rid of May and her withdrawal agreement.
This government is quite willing to use fear as a method of control. It is quite wrong. I hope eventually they will pay the price.

Buying one of Toby’s Exempt lanyards has to be one of the best investments I have ever made. On Monday we flew from Manchester to Corfu. The missus insisted that I wear a mask on entering the airport (my Defund the BBC mask which I’ve only worn 4 times in the past – three of which was to get my hair cut). But when security swabbed my [Ipsos MORI standard issue] rucksack and said they’d found traces of explosive on the swab, I removed my mask and stuck to just wearing my lanyard. I had to be re-scannedby one of the security chaps – he was fine with me not wearing a mask, chatting away and joking with me – even holding the lanyard out of the way whilst waving his magic wand arround.
On the flight with easyJet there were plenty of reminders to wear your mask over the Tannoy. But the crew were delightful towards me, and we were in Row 2, so not exactly hidden away.
In the sleepy village of Arillas noone, in shops, bars or restaurants have raised an eyebrow, even though most other tourists are doing the brainwashed thing.
So a big thank you to Toby. I feel normal in this crazy world.

A hearty second to that, The mere thought of being nappied makes me start to choke, and without the information gleaned here about exemptions and lanyards I’d have become a total recluse. LS has saved my life, at least any life worth living.

Me too. Lanyard had changed my life. Husband and teenage sons complete sceptics now thanks to this site. Husband was ‘spoken to’ in Waitrose last night by two shop workers. Store was empty. They said they were now speaking to everyone not wearing a mask. He put them straight that he is exempt and does not need to explain why or wear a badge. They said he should wear a lanyard.

Interesting comment earlier up the line about how we never hear of anyone recovering? I would love to see a simple daily/monthly/yearly dashboard with these numbers:

patients in hospital with Covid (by age)
deaths from Covid (by age)
deaths with Covid (known co-morbidities, by age)
deaths with Covid (obese)
patients recovered/sent home

I take huge comfort from the graphs posted here showing low death rates currently. I am staggered at how many people I speak to who genuinely believe we are all at risk of death.

Just got back from the beach. Whitty et al’s idea of controlling the virus is just as daft as the missus telling the sea to get back after our towels got wet

In addition, to the ban on socialising, Scotland is not allowing uni students to go home as they will now be classed as different households. Are there not some 17-year-olds at Scottish unis? There certainly are at Irish unis – I have to go through yearly garda vetting because some of my students are minors, so what are the legal ramifications here? Declaring yourself head of a household as a minor in the US requires legal emancipation… This seriously needs a legal challenge. https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18745882.students-across-scotland-told-not-return-home-visit-families/?ref=twtrec

Scots do start uni at 17 because their highers are shorter than our ‘A’-levels (one year as opposed to two) but their degrees are longer (four years as opposed to three).

Imagine being a fresher at a Scottish university. You haven’t really met anyone apart from the five people you’ve been put into accommodation with, and you aren’t sure you like them very much. All your interaction with tutors so far has been on screen in your bedroom, you can’t go to a pub and therefore meet other people you might like better, and you can’t go home to mum and dad for the weekend (or jack it all in and decide it’s not worth it) as it’s a separate household. This is now their reality – a prison cell, not a bedroom! We are going to see 18 year olds committing suicide over the next few weeks at this rate.

Aye, but we have to make sure there are enough gender neutral toilets in the university’s buildings – we don’t want someone to feel bad, do we!

I hope not, and instead when they are getting desperate they realise they do have the choice, just pack up and go home. Of course they aren’t breaking any laws, as you are allowed out of lockdown “to escape injury illness or risk of harm”

Quite a few already have, I have met three random people who have told me that they know a family who has had their 17-18 years olds kill themselves recently. I don’t get out much either. The suicide rate among youngsters WILL be going up EXPONENTIALLY.

We are going to see 18 year olds committing suicide over the next few weeks at this rate.

That would be very sad.

But as 18 year olds, the ‘law’ deems them fully functioning adults, entitled to vote, drive cars, serve in the military, etc. Personally, I think students who are seriously affected by this shite (as we all have been, and still are) will learn an awful lot about life, authority, responsibility, personal autonomy, and where their true priorities should lie. This probably should have been taken care of a tad more at school and at home, but better late than never.

Playing devils advocate they cannot be stopped from leaving surely, ignore it. Our glorious leader wants pubs and nightclubs shut forever and students are big spenders, fuck her, don’t give her the satisfaction.

I wonder if, at last, she has miscalculated the mood on this one.

There’s an angle (if the opposition can be bothered) that she has put money – fees and hall rents – above health. Which is exactly what she accuses UK government of.

Good to see a glimmer of sanity in the Grauniad. It’s liberally spattered with leftspeak, but any attempt to point out that the lefties’ natural election fodder is being hurt by the present bollox is greatly to be welcomed.

I would have liked to read that piece in the roundup but it’s behind a subscription barrier. Damned if I’ll give the graun my details.

Disappointed that Sweden haven’t increased gatherings to 500 but Tegnell still talking more sense than anyone else. Doubtless to the lockdown fetishists will be crowing about how Sweden is now, finally heading for its nemesis but I still think they will have a long wait. Especially as the prospect of a remotely functional vaccine recedes ever further over the horizon.

You couldn’t make it up !

Well, who’d have guessed it – the geniuses of the world health establishment having failed dismally in schoolboy mathematics now fail their biology 101 practical. They tried to beat a virus with washing hands and paper masks – 4 billion years of evoluation ain’t that stupid !

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/24/new-coronavirus-mutation-could-evolving-get-around-mask-wearing/

It is turning into a….. cold and guess what spreads colds? People touching their faces all day because they are wearing masks.

So by wearing masks we have increased the prevailence of the mutated virus, although the conclusion of the Telegraph article is not enough was done to stop the spread of the virus early .

Just wondering, how long will it be before the cretin masses start up their weekly Thursday night NHS worship again?

Won’t get much support if the people I talk to are typical.
We could try to relaunch it ourselves just to prove the point.

First visit to our local pub last night. Guess what? Landlord is a sceptic. He has to follow the rules but much rolling of eyes and acknowledgement of how ridiculous the rules are. Telling us about his 90 year old grandma who refuses to hide in her home and taking advantage of her bus pass merrily takes bus journeys round the county most days.

Sadly, however, he and his wife have decided to get out of the pub game. Their lease ends in Feb 2021 and they won’t be renewing. Doubtful anyone will take it over in the current climate so the village loses its pub. How many more pubs will end up closing unless Boris comes to his senses?

TPTB will be delighted, especially if the pubs that are left continue to be banned from allowing people to meet, discuss, debate etc at the bar.

Thousands. Thousand have already closed anyway. Pubs are DEAD, it’s all by design. We cannot be allowed to freely associate.

Good for granny.

Whereabouts please, spingler ?

Ealing Council leader saying we must take advantage of Covid re active travel infrastructure

https://youtu.be/DsyWxI-krO4

Active travel = walk and get wet, ride a bike and get wetter faster.

And catch pneumonia in the process. Genius!

Or get killed or injured in the process as there aren’t cycle lanes for bikes or pavements for walking so folk have to walk on roads.

The cycle lanes are encroaching at baffling speed and completely, utterly buggering up the traffic system from what I see. So don’t give them ideas.

It’s all designed to give them the ammo to do this.

‘baffling’ ? various reset agendas go into detail (if you can stomach reading them).

Then you can be counted as a Covid death to get the numbers up so the fear mongering continues!!

The speed at which most of these middle age new cyclists move they would walk and get wet faster.

Think I read once that going slowly or hurrying makes no difference to how wet one gets.

They did that here three weeks into lockdown while normal roadworks lay abandoned.

Active Travel…humm that’s a big new thing isn’t it. Our stupid bastard council has closed of a road near the train station and put wooden planters down it to allow for social distancing and also ACTIVE TRAVEL….What the actual flip is that all about? The road is empty, the train station is empty. It’s a box ticking exercise. Virtue signalling. I hate our council. I hate our town. I hate everybody in it.

In the roundup section of today’s newsletter there is a note about a Huff post article on false positives, so picking up on my earlier posts about stats I thought I would look at this another way;

NHS England stats for the 7 day period 16th to 22nd September.
Total admissions 1571
Total Covid patients in hospital rose from 894 to 1335 increase of 441
Total covid deaths 116
Total covid patients recovered and discharged 1014
Total new infections (dodgy pillar 2 test results) 26,118

So the 26,118 +ve tests results , gave rise to 1571 hospital admissions, so 6% of these +ve tests gave rise to admissions
Even then 1014 covid patients got well and were discharged so total number of covid cases in hospital only increased by 441 0r 1.7% of the total number testing +ve

So well over 90% of the +ve tests for that 7 day period were either false positives, asymptomatic or so slightly ill as to not cause a hospital visit.
That is a huge amount of public money going to test and trace over 24,000 people who were either not infected at all or who were so slightly infected that apart from the test no one would have noticed.

P.S. I appreciate the earlier points about many illnesses being falsely branded Covid but I do feel that even so, we need to check the official stats, which in this case do seem to beg some serious questions about our Covid policy.

Wouldn’t the current hospitalisation and mortality figures be in line with the test results/figures approximately 2 weeks ago. Thus the 26118 +ve tests over the last 7 days will be a reflected in the hospitalisation and mortality figures in 7-14 days time?

Quite possibly I’ll leave you to crunch the numbers on that. To my mind the point is that this disease only justifies the current draconian actions if it is causing serious illness and death. The hospital stats indicate that there is relatively little serious illness and deaths, the testing stats indicate that for most people this disease is no worse than flu.

and only justifies draconian actions if it absolutely provenly clear that the actions dont cause more life years lost than the disease. This was never proved back in March, not for the summer and not now

The thing with these hospital admissions is that people aren’t being admitted for COVID-19. They are attending hospital for another illness, they have to have a mandatory test, which then comes back positive and most likely a false positive.

Indeed, not an admission rather like catching MRSA in hospital, nobody goes to hospital with MRSA.

More smoke and mirrors

Fair point but I do feel we still need to be aware of these official stats as they are being used to drive public health policy. What I feel is that when looked at critically even the official stats don’t justify the current draconian actions.

That’s true, there is going to be less deaths in September than July. This has all been ramped up so that the bill passes on the 29th September.

Firstly there will be no vaccine for years wish the government would admit this.
Secondly I would love to ask a doctor or medical expert do they think it is healthy to wear a face mask ,say in retail for possibly 10 hours a day.
Love to hear their reply

In Toby’s report , Boris will hang on for a couple of years before being got rid off , 2 years ! The country will be a 3rd world basket case, if this twat is in the job that long , he needs to go now.

Agreed. I am concerned for his mental health.

His? Lost cause.
Ours.

Good point!

Save your concern for the lives his government policies have destroyed

Good point!

Hmm, if he ever became sane, he would surely commit suicide as he came to realise the reality of what he has done.

He knows exactly what he is doing.

I don’t think replacing Boris will make any difference whatsoever. Nothing changes until all responsible are held to account.

I think that is true. I think they are globalist place-men, Rishi particularly as he is ex Goldman Sachs.

Sunak’s wife is the daughter of one of the richest men in India, who’s company specialises in Working from home software. Nothing to see here.

It’s already a basket case.

The country will be a 3rd world basket case

You mean it isn’t already?

The A&E story above has caused an amazing, almost unbelieveable NHS consultant fight back. Really well done to the cinsultants who have banded together are are standing up for what is right and decent. LSer Charlie Blue added the link to coments last night.

“CONSULTANTS have launched a fightback against a decision to shut children’s accident and emergency departments at two hospitals, warning that child safety is on the line.

“A raft of senior clinicians have joined the rebellion by signing three joint letters to the North London Partners – the overseeing body of health commissioners – warning the changes do not have their backing.”

http://camdennewjournal.com/article/consultants-rebel-over-ae-closures-with-child-safety-warning

We need much more of this inside the NHS.

Children have been under attack from this government for 6 months now, their lives shutdown and futures destroyed. While clearly this is better then continued silence its does feel like very little very late.

I have been ‘spoken to’ by an NHS employee for suggesting the NHS is staffed by cowards and people who perhaps are not very clever – they more than any other group ought to understand just what the dangers are and what impact the NHS weird behaviour will mean to life in Britain.

The sorry fact is we need these types of resistence to pick up apace across the NHS in all settings. I will still be speaking to doctors that I encounter asking them how did they act during the covid closures, holding them to account to me. If that is awkward for them so be it – they have been a disgrace by and large.

But here now, a spark of sense has appeared – we must encourage more. It is right what the consultants have done. The act of banding together is a good one.

I hope that spark turns into a raging inferno as that’s what we need.

I agree. Well said.

Better late than never.

Surely all but the most terminally selfish zombies have to feel just a twinge of concern about children being denied treatment?

Saved to D – this morning twitter is reporting anecdotally that people’s operations and consuktancy meetings are being cancelled again. Without reason other than prepping for a ‘second wave’. The NHS are no longer there for us free at the point of need. They appear to be complicit in forstering death on our population. Liverpool Care Pathway to read more.

I mean to speak in the strongest possible terms of disgust at them.

Yet still we need them to stand up for what is morally and professionally right.

The response from Tulip Sadiq who is my MP as useless as ever. Have written to our Conservative Councillor, (we have three, the others LD and L), who is the the only one who engages with the local constituents asking him if he can organise a petition. Also asked what is happening at Royal Free as chemotherapy services now transferred to Finchley and a consultant friend who works at the RF has rented rooms in Harley St to see patients who can afford to see him. What about those who can’t?

Although the Conservative Party have lost my support now, I take my hat off to the constituency Conservative Party who have kept locals informed about what’s going on in the area with monthly email newsletters during this time.

Don’t we have a need for more children’s emergency hospitals now as many more children are being admitted to hospitals due to head injuries caused by domestic violence?

Only weeks into lockdown a Great Ormond St consultant was reporting rise in child head trauma at X 16 usual rates.

That’s exactly what I was referring to.

Re your point on Belgium, it looks from figures for the last couple of days that cases are levelling off there, if not falling. Similar story in Germany.

Stop it. Stop looking at actual facts. You’re supposed to be too terrified to be able to do maths.

A bit unfortunate citing John Spellar as he’s boasting about his attendance at COBRA meetings during the foot and mouth crisis. Didn’t they rely on Ferguson’s modelling to kill off the British meat industry? Although a cost of £8bn is a drop in the ocean compared to now.

NHS My Care portal goes live in ten days.

It’s gonna be ‘epic’.

Will it? What does a portal do? Take you through to the other side for a visit?

My care portal sounds disappointing.

It’s going to have a chat bot you can talk to.
Hi I’me Doctor Pixel
” please tell us why you have contacted us today”
“I think I have gastric reflux”
” you have ear wax”
“is this right?”

whats a ”my care portal” and will the elderly, living on there own, be able to; a)be able to use one b) be able to use one

David Ellis reports on the policy of merging the police and military, which Boris Johnson has taken early steps towards through his Coronavirus response, and earlier via Operation Temperer. But how long has this policy been in the making, and whose policy is it anyway?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0jn7rRHhXg&t=629s&ab_channel=UKColumn

I think the reason a lot of us on here swing like pendulums between optimism and pessimism is because around the country and around the world, the inexorable need for normality is slowly pushing through, but our leaders crack down with ever-restrictive measures to try and stem a tide which, frankly, cannot be stemmed. I see videos and hear reports on Twitter of other European countries which are as good as normal – a heaving club in Helsinki, pool parties in Wuhan, the new reports about easing restrictions in Belgium and of course good old Sweden. The reports about children being turned away from hospital and the Glasgow Nightingale being dismantled despite restrictions increasing are two stories which do not require interpretation of scientific data, or second guessing – they are just utterly nonsensical in every way. People WILL tire of this, we just haven’t given them enough time. Remember that it feels like a very long haul for us because we’ve been sceptical a lot longer than everyone else but patience is a virtue.

I think the way students are being treated at university has also pushed a lot of people over the edge. I imagine some of these students’ parents (but not all of them of course) probably had a ‘good’ lockdown – extra time with their children because they’d been sent home from school, save a bit of time and money working from home, more free time to do hobbies, etc. You know the story. It’s only when their kids not only leave home for the first time but also suffer, and needlessly suffer, that they start to wake up to how monstrous this government truly is.

I woke up feeling genuinely nauseous this morning at how young people are being treated – the Scottish pub ban on students is just cruel, especially because pubs aren’t actually closed and everyone else is allowed to visit them. I note that Nicola Sturgeon doesn’t have any children of her own. First we get scapegoated in the media and blamed for ‘killing granny’ and just having a normal life, and then we get locked up in what are quite literally maximum security prisons – and paying north of nine grand for the privilege (more including accommodation fees). In fact, universities are worse than prisons, because at least prisoners are allowed visitors! And threatening to stop students going home for Christmas is totally unworkable – as the wonderful Allison Pearson said on Twitter yesterday, if that happens then every mother in the country will have Matt Hancock’s guts for garters. I am all too aware at how fleetingly youth passes and we do not get this time back, and it is being stolen from us. If anyone thinks the current measures at university are justifiable and proportionate then God help them, they need their head checking.

My own bf goes back to university next week and unfortunately he is living in halls rather than private accommodation and so he will undoubtedly be treated like a prisoner. Bless him, he is really quite innocent and sees the best in people and assumes that restrictions will be lifted sometime next year so he’ll have some sort of ‘normal’ experience but I think it’s more to do with the fact that his parents have shelled out upwards of £7,500 for him to stay in this prison and he feels like he has to see that out. Avenues for refunds are very narrow. Well, we’ll see, I predict he’ll be living with me before Christmas. Sod the money, his mental and physical health are far more important.

I keep thinking we are reaching a tipping point. But it just never comes.

It is coming. It is just happening very slowly and incrementally. Remember that schools haven’t been back that long yet, universities have only just gone back, furlough hasn’t ended (and now won’t for another 6 months but they cannot keep it going forever as it is unsustainable) and we haven’t had the cold, dark, miserable months of winter in lockdown yet. Just wait.

That is a positive Nicola Sturgeon has no children. I tend to agree Johnson will struggle to keep the lid on beyond October, next week’s events in HOC will be pretty crucial.

The gathering of 6 restrictions were an own goal. That rule hits a lot at the way much of the media and ruling class live their lives. JHB a perfect example, they don’t like it. If they had made it 10 they might have got away with it.

Actually if Sturgeon had grown-up kids maybe one or all of them might try to make her see sense. She is a heartless authoritarian.

Of course but the apple doesn’t often fall from the tree. It is a mild comfort she will leave no succession. Sturgeon is gruesome one is enough. These authoritarian leftists are massively nepotistic.

She mentioned a nephew to try to gain sympathy didn’t she? Desperate.

Presumably the current joyless student experience mirrors her own 30 years ago? Looks like she’s never had a moment of fun in her life

6 not including kids would have been absolutely no problem. Especially if they had highlighted the numerous studies from around the world that show transmission from children is all but non-existent. The ancillary benefit would have been to highlight how disgracefully selfish and cowardly the teaching profession are.

Yes can’t disagree. Unfortunately Hancock is welded to the asymptomatic spread to granny myth and the government education policy disaster is a result.

With you all the way, Poppy.

Chin up or chin down as we are taking a few blows and might be on the ropes but keep ducking and weaving and using the jab and we will win.

Well said Poppy. I think the young people who decided to defer or even not bother with uni have dodged a bullet but I feel sorry for those who have to put up with being treated like inmates of the Gulag Archipelago.

I think the way students are being treated at university has also pushed a lot of people over the edge. I imagine some of these students’ parents (but not all of them of course) probably had a ‘good’ lockdown – extra time with their children because they’d been sent home from school, save a bit of time and money working from home, more free time to do hobbies, etc. You know the story. It’s only when their kids not only leave home for the first time but also suffer, and needlessly suffer, that they start to wake up to how monstrous this government truly is.

Add in their own incomes, savings and pensions taking a hit. I do hope so because its some of these parents who have been the most vocal supporters of lockdown, social distancing and masks. They have been complicit in the misery being imposed of us so if they’re waking up because of how Tarquin and Jemima are being treated by their universities then It Can Only Be A Good Thing.

I switched to online studying only (was originally face to face) and am living off campus this year because the restrictions just made it so utterly joyless that I’m not going to waste money commuting into university if it just isn’t worth it. Also don’t want to run the risk of someone in my class (with whom I will have had no contact) testing ‘positive’ and then having to lock myself up for 2 weeks when I probably won’t end up developing symptoms myself.

Indeed – I know several people who used to support lockdown or at least were ambivalent about it, and as soon as it affected them personally, they became sceptics. Funny that.

As I keep saying – wait until they’re hit in the pocket and stomach and they’ll do a U turn faster than one can say “Covid 19”

Still praying for many of my colleagues to see sense, even the threat of redundancy hasn’t woken them up yet.

Same, I go to my local one but can’t face all the stupid hygeine theatre.

Keep going Poppy; you are the future and we are all thinking of you!

Well, I agree with most of that – though, personally, I swing, nowadays, between pessimism and extreme pessimism. Nobody who covets power and has tasted it gives it up without an almighty struggle.

As Charlie Munger says: Show me the incentive and I’ll show you the outcome.

Universities are incentivised to keep students as they receive money for it. They will fight tooth and nail to not refund people. The problem is that basic rights are being trampled on which will lead to lawsuits, where the university will lose more money.

It happens with the false rape claims against students and the Title IX kangaroo courts in the US.

Well indeed, I also wonder if the universities will start lobbying governments to lift restrictions as student satisfaction rates will go through the floor and if there is one thing students get very angry about (from my experience), it’s the ridiculous fees.

Thumbs up to your last sentence. Mental and physical health is more important than money.

Very hard to have either without it, ask people in the 3rd world.

I totally agree but in the context of my sentence, I meant that his health was more important than the fees. Universities are so eye-wateringly greedy anyway.

Good summary Polly, and I think you’re right. My concern is that this covid 19 is merely “Round 1”. It may all fizzle out but what will the people behind it come back with next year? I can’t get that footage of Bill Gates out of my mind, where he says we “will notice the next one”, with that maniacal grin on his face.

Have you heard this?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/RaYsgpGVGblY/

Rockefeller document is here:

http://www.nommeraadio.ee/meedia/pdf/RRS/Rockefeller%20Foundation.pdf

No. Just watched Dolores Cahill on You Tube – date of 22/09/20. Sorry – as a technophobe can’t upload a link. It’s a very good watch and makes me feel hopeful.

There was a great ,very long vid. from a young bloke in St. Petersburg, he was wandering about on crowded streets, in and out of cafes and encountered street musicians now licensed by the state , he went to a Porsche car show and a gig ,later a bar, with a running commentary in English, very few masks about, It looked NORMAL and FUN!

As a “keyworker” delivering shopping we were given a bottle of hand sanitiser and told to get on with it, while many were having (as a friend of my mums told her) “the best time of their lives”. We had lovely weather and the country lanes, that made up a large part of my delivery area, were crowded with people taking leisurely walks. Getting 80% of their pay or more for doing nothing, somewhat clouded their judgement. Now many have gone back to work or have no job at all, life is not looking quite as rosey.

Feel sorry for young people and children – the former because university rather than becoming a rite of passage for them has become more like being an inmate at the Lubyanka or Dachau concentration camp while the latter is being betrayed by the No Health Service thereby condemning them to complications and possibly early death.

Either way both will be screwed both mentally and physically. Is that what the government wants?

Met up with a friend yesterday and where we went for coffee and cake, was asked for my mask (which was the first time). Told her I was exempt and the staff member apologised. No escape from T&T though so I gave a fake name and phone number.

Ironically the shops we visited were much more laid back, apart from a sad looking hand sanitiser bottle which looked like it had not been used for weeks, it was fairly normal and one of the staff despite being muzzled had a fairly long chat with me without any antisocial distancing.

If this is the new normal, I think the economy is really screwed. Since lockdown, we’ve been going out and about as a family doing pretty much anything we were allowed to do. Eating out was the most normal thing so that was popular. Last night was a trip to Five Guys and then the cinema. I feel like it’s all just moved up to another level of silly. As an example, having to shout to staff through my mask, the perspex screen and whatever else the staff member is wearing to ‘keep us safe’. Well, we’re hibernating now. I’m not spending my money on this humiliating shit show.

That’s a really good point. I’ve noticed that masks are making people stand closer together, than they would normally if speaking. ” What was that?” then lean in to hear what each other are saying.

How else are we going to catch a lurgy which can then be dressed up as covid

As I do not wear a face covering, I like to keep distance, although in my area hardly any +PCR. Really difficult to get people to keep distance since face coverings.

I agree. Last week I went to a restaurant for the first time since March and it was an utterly soulless experience. You have to wear masks before you are seated and then put them on again as you leave (in case the virus catches you on the way out). Food served by mumbling, faceless zombies. Hibernation for me too.

Just listening to another “expert” on the radio warning students “not to mingle and to social distance/ lock yourself away and learn on line,etc” because in American universities there was 60,000 cases of CV.
Yes, but how many of those 60,000 died or were even admitted to hospital?
Strangely quiet on that question!

Zero. But you knew that. Entire football team tests positive, all asymptomatic… Seems like maybe that would say something.

And then on the minus side there was a piece on our local ( BBC West Midlands) tv station about a football team ( all built like outside toilet blocks) who refused to play their next game because one of the players tested positive for CV despite the FA saying that they could play and even telling them that they would be fined if they refused.
Young healthy men( I refer you to the comment in the previous paragraph)
WIMPS, NAMBY-PAMBIES,COWARDS: Take your pick!

There was a post a few days ago, about a German football team that lost 0-33, as they only had 7 players, due to social distancing. Maybe urban myth, but I thought it was amusing.

I think I read somewhere for the US, 2 students admitted to hospital since August, ZERO deaths.

Out of how many students? 6 Million? People forget to put it into proportion!

This is the problem, to use a phrase from the distant past: “They are not telling lies,they are just being uneconomical with the truth”

The Govnt is lying. They know anyone who wants to read into what we are told by them knows they are lying.

“Reading the transcript of
Whitty/Vallance [Bill and Ben] lecture yesterday. I quote: “so about eight per cent, so 3 million or so people, may have been infected and have antibodies. It means that the vast majority of us are not protected in any way and are susceptible to this disease”.

“Now had he said this on the floor of the House, he would have been guilty of misleading the House & made to come back, apologise profusely & set the record straight. But he wasn’t & also didn’t take any questions. I have to tell you that it’s not a matter of opinion. He’s LYING.”

[…]

“That our curve is the same shape as that in multiple other countries, including Sweden, ignoring our puny efforts to influence transmission of this respiratory virus, tells us with 100%…
…confidence that a substantial proportion of the U.K. population has already been infected & most have survived. Crucially it’s been demonstrated by at least 4 “Oxbridge quality” labs in several countries around the world, than in all cases, 20-50% of people had T-cell immune..
..recognition of SARS-COV-2 BEFORE the new virus was even identified. Add those newly infected to those already resistant to the virus, and there is the locus of the force bearing down on transmission. There isn’t any serious doubt about it.”

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1308889807725236224.html

With regards to Sturgeon, I think her enthusiastic role is in some way compensating for her knock-down and fall from grace with the whole Alex Sammond sex allegations affair. Sammond never backed down and saw what those allegations were: cheap smear tactics.

Sturgeon used the situation (and may have actually been involved in the planning of it) but it came back to her.

Her spin into some protector of Scotland is just vanity and ego. I think the closing of the hospital will start to strip that down again.

Shes not coming out of the situations she in in well. She knows it. She looking properly sleep deprived during the end of the house arrest stages. She knows what is badly buried, she also know the calibre of those who are waiting to shred her reputaion in history. A haunted person is what she looks like to me.

Wee, sleekit, cow’rin, tim’rous beastie,
O, what a panic’s in thy breastie!

..a parcel ‘o rogues in a nation.
https://youtu.be/YQEvT2qCI-c

a question was raised here yesterday that I’ve been pondering

How do we know if a vaccine works?

They develop a vaccine, give it to some young and healthy volunteers who are then exposed to covid-19

they either

1 – become very ill – either the vaccine is dangerous or doesn’t work
2 – they are fine – either the vaccine worked or they just fought it off

How do you test the efficacy of a vaccine that causes no or mild symptoms in your test group?

I can hardly see them using the hyper-vulnerable as a test group but these are the only people we can test its efficacy on

Let the lockdown fanatics find out.

I can see the whole vaccine thing just fizzling out and next year we will all be asking ‘what happened to all those vaccines?’

I agree. I think they’ll still be looking in five years time (or not bothering at all).

Its like Sars – I don’t think there are any more attempts to find a vaccine for that.

Still looking for the AIDS magic bullet, 30+ years of enormous expenditure later.

Imperial: “ To show that the vaccine protects individuals from being infected with COVID-19 in the long-term, the Phase III trial will need to study a large population over approximately one year. The team will know that the trial has been a success if the group who receive the vaccine has fewer people with COVID-19 compared to the group that received the placebo.”

So 2022 before any results?

If they use the PCR test, how will they possibly know?

They will do 10 cycles for those receiving the vaccine and 45 for those not receiving the vaccine.

Yes, they are trying to expose them to the virus. But they are not challenging them with the virus (yet at least). In the UK AZN P2 of AZD1222 (Oxford vaccine), they were specifically recruiting volunteers in what were deemed high risk settings (typically healthcare) with the intention being to build up a pool of subjects who actually contracted the virus, and then make a comparison between the treatment arm and the control arm (another vaccine), and determine whether the AZD1222 treatment arm virus contractors had preferentially milder symptoms and a good antibody response!

For the large P3 they went international to try and find an environment where virus contraction was more likely! Hence they started a Brazil arm, a S. Africa arm, an India arm and a US arm, as well as the UK arm.

There are no claims that AZD1222 prevents infection. Indeed in the pre-clinical monkey study all the vaccinated macaques contracted the virus and had symptomatic illness.
The P3 widened the age criteria, I believe, accepting paediatric subjects (as young as 5) and upping the top age. But there remained exclusion criteria to disclude anyone with a significant pre-existing illness.

Then we had two clinical holds due to serious adverse events, one multiple sclerosis and one transverse myolitis. The first hold was not contemporaneously announced. It was only divulged after the second hold. The official line is that these SAE’s were unlikely to have been caused by the vaccine. However, the US regulator, the FDA, is not yet sufficiently satisfied regarding the TM case to lift the hold in the US, and has asked AZN for biological samples. Interestingly the US arm (which never really got going) is using a proper inert saline solution for its control arm. This was because of a legal challenge basically compelling US vaccine trials to use a proper placebo for control and not another vaccine.
The other countries have resumed the trial.

Your questions are very well put. And none of the trials will answer them.
Any vaccine recipient is likely to experience the range of common side-effects associated with an active vaccine, including possible rash, raised temperature and possible fever. These would normally be short-lived effects. This is without exposure to the virus.
The US control arm using a proper inert control would be unlikely to cause these effects.

Then what happens when subjects actually contract the virus? Seeing as all these subjects are healthy, only zero to mild symptoms would be expected anyway. This will be regardless of which arm they were on. However , what has been seen previously in previous Coronavirus (not Covid-19) animal studies, is a paradoxical disease enhancement process, whereby the immune system becomes dysregulated, sometimes leading to auto-immune disorders. TM is an auto-immune disorder.

If you had a third matched (equally healthy) observational arm that received no vaccine of any sort, you would not see any of the (normally) mild early vaccine reactions. And you would be very unlikely to see an auto-immune disorder after virus infection. And you would be likely to see something between an asymptomatic infection and a mildly symptomatic infection. You would expect to see a longlasting T-cell memory response conferring sustained immunity.
You may or may not see an antibody response. Antibodies tend not to persist long-term.

In the AZD1222 treatment arm, in a subject who contracted the virus, you would hope to see symptom reduction (compared to the control vaccine) and a lower viral load (compared to the control vaccine) and you would hope to see antibody development and perhaps also an activated T-cell response). A lower viral load might reduce the infectivity of the subject. But in a third hypothetical matched control arm (which doesn’t exist), you would expect to see a good T-cell response and low viral load anyway.

As you suggest, those with advanced age and / or comorbidities are not in the trial anyway.
So it is anybody’s guess how an 80 yr old with heart disease or cancer would react to a vaccine. But these vulnerable groups are likely to be the first to be ‘offered’ the vaccine.

There are, for sure, other issues associated with an RNA vaccine such as the Moderna candidate. But my comments here primarily refer to the Oxford vaccine, AZD1222.

Personally, if I were to contract the virus, I would prefer my own immune system to deal with it.
Nature’s vaccine.

Stop Press 2: Belgium has abandoned the PCR test because it’s too unreliable. From now on, decisions about whether to tighten or relax restrictions will be based on hospitalisations.

is there a link for this? I want to email my MP with it

Yes please – #me too!

Link here https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/132481/belgiums-security-council-introduces-long-term-coronavirus-strategy/ – now added above. Also the story has been updated to be more accurate – they’ve moved away from using the PCR test as the main measure of the epidemic rather than abandoned it completely (sadly). Apologies for getting it wrong at first.

Boris Johnson threatens to bring in the army using con tricks and fantasy number games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuxoR-Ub8Eo

“Belgium has abandoned the PCR test because it’s too unreliable. From now on, decisions about whether to tighten or relax restrictions will be based on hospitalisations.” – is there any source for this? Thank you very much in advance

For what it’s worth, here is an article on a Belgian news site from yesterday, highlighting the massive cost of PCR testing:
https://www.rtl.be/info/belgique/economie/coronavirus-combien-les-tests-pcr-ont-ils-deja-coute-a-la-belgique–1246056.aspx
It’s in French, but interestingly shows a PCR machine. After James Ferguson’s LS article the other day I looked to see the notice on the side saying ‘Not to be used for diagnosis’. Can’t see it, though. It was would be nice to know it’s on the other side.

Listening to all the sanctimonious mugs on the radio talking glibly about job losses knowing full well that they are protected – makes me angry and sad.

But I have a proposal… that for every 250,000 jobs lost there should be 1 member of parliament who is cut with immediate effect with no payout. That may focus the minds of those MPs and all their twaddle!
Why should the private sector take the hit in this shitshow while all those on the public purse are sitting comfortably – they should take their share of pain in jobs and fear!

And add 2 senior civil servants with no redundancy pay and no pensions. That should put the fear of God in them and remind them that they’re not invincible.

I also have a proposal that if a vaccine comes out all the cabinet and their families must have it administered on live TV a year before it is rolled out to the public. If it’s safe they should be fine with that.

Plus it has to be the proper one and not a placebo. Good idea about administering it on live TV – could be a reality show.

When the day comes that the lending is stopped the Public Sector will get whacked and big.

what a good idea!

Ok, so it was a cold evening last night, but the Pub next door and the courtyard very nearly empty. SAD, SAD, SAD. Usually very popular, and I know the owners are struggling.
Hope the weekend will be better!

Just turned off classic fm as they are having, I quote “an NHS covid app weekend”…

Quick roll of eyes followed by how desperate are they?

Classic FM listens are a chosen demograph.

The app requires quite a modern high end phone. It is the poorest areas of Britain that saw the most deaths from Covid19.

Try RS Classic, http://www.radioswissclassic.ch/en , no ads clear brief descriptions (plus the odd Swiss public safety announcement but not for a while).

Cheers for this. I’m liking what I’m listening to so far.

Thanks for that recommendation Nigel, just tuned it on my internet radio.

If you don’t have one of these, they are a great way to get around propaganda and ads – at least Boris’s anyway. The trick is to tune into foreign stations. You might still get propaganda and ads, but unless you are multi lingual you wont be able to understand them so they wont bother you!

Cunning plan eh?

I gave up on Classic FM months ago.

Same old music over and over, all laced with woke propaganda and Covid fear porn.

And the twee presenters reminding us about “social distancing” are just the icing on the cake.

FO CFM.

Boycotted them after they put that BLM twaddle on their Arsebook account. And good point about the same music again over and over, none of the challenging stuff from the likes of Prokofiev, Bruckner, etc.

Isn’t Ludovici Einaudi the most boring composer of all time? – makes Karl Jenkins sound like Xenakis.

I usually have the radio on when cooking & eating around 6 to 7pm and I still prefer Classic FM to BBC Radio 3’s “In Tune” with the dreadful Sean Rafferty gabbling on with some boring studio guest. I just want to hear music, not a lot of yakking. On Classic FM you get Mozart’s clarinet concerto for the 500th time but that’s still better than R3. And I can shout something rude at the coronavirus propaganda adverts.

even Talk radio have the new government NHS ads .. But then revenue is revenue…. and government are spending millions on ads

Today at work we implemented this. Most people wanted to do it manual and give name and phone number. One gentleman, I think just scanned the thing with a normal app, and it came up as Chinese plywood supplier.
Compliance was high, although I took 1 Matt Hancock down.

Sneaking in under the radar:

https://thefrontierpost.com/license-to-kill-new-uk-legislation-would-permit-spies-to-commit-necessary-crimes/

Reading it looks like the “implied powers” are not good enough at a tribunal so need enshrined in law.

Plus Official Secrets Act being reviewed and a new Espionage Act – just like the Treason legislation.

Why now?

Good year to bury bad news!

I read that stuff yesterday and it sent shivers down my spine. What with this outrage, the lab flu and Brexit we are rapidly becoming a third world failed state.

Rapidly becoming a failed state???
The UK was heavily criticised by the the European poverty watchdog for having the highest levels of child poverty in the whole of Europe last year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46236642

The UK has been a basket case for a long long time.

Sky News are covering a new Sky Drama called No Masks. It is a series of actors playing emergency workers acting out a script based on the traumatic experiences of real emergency workers.

‘No Masks’ will likely be a quote refering to those stupid buggers who don’t wear a mask, well they don’t see they damage their open breathing does, we do – kind of a deal.

Sky Arts will be showing the drama apparently that is a free channel, so only need to pay £ 160 to the bbc to get a good hit of propaganda.

yes – sky arts suddenly turned up on freeview last week. Sky news has always been there.. So now 2 sky propaganda channels. (and sky sports still littered with BLM logos and adverts
there is a push on at the moment. the soaps are back – all the cast following guidelines etc. I mentioned yesterday Breakfast TV featuring stories of people affected by covid. Man died from covid etc. .Nothing about those adversely affected by lockdown.

Emotionally blackmailing propaganda like this does not wash with me. It shows that they’ve run out of rational arguments.

Also, I would hope that emergency workers would know what they were signing up for when they went into the profession. They should have been aware that there would be very stressful and emotionally destructive aspects to the job before they got it. No one is forcing them to work there.

Most days, this site is the only thing that keeps me from jumping off a cliff. Thank you Toby. And I feel like I always have to say I’m a liberal and us liberals don’t know what we are doing in the U.S. – pushing Trump into power with these insane restrictions on our freedom and liberty. And forgetting about what lost jobs and “a shattered economy” actually means – people’s lives.

I find it equally keeps me from and makes me want to jump.

Seeing as how I can’t see my dentist, get a GP appointment, get a hospital referral or now get my child treated in hospital if she is sick I was just wondering when my tax rebate will be? Anyone know?

It turns out its much more expensive to get away with shutting down your medical care then it is to continue to provide it.

Unfortunately I have no idea but would like to go one step further, how does one stop paying one’s taxes? Given the government has been pretty much nonexistent so I should get my money back.

I want all of it back. Declare personal independence.

“how does one stop paying one’s taxes?”

You could try telling them that you’re only willing to pay taxes in labour – because it’s illegitimate for them to demand payment in a form you have no natural capacity to supply (anyone who feels up to it can find a longer version of that argument here ).

Ironic isn’t it? A medical dictatorship, where the one thing you can’t get is medical treatment.

Calling it the National Health Service is an insult to the British people. If it was a private company it would have been prosecuted under the Trades Description Act for misleading the public.

It should now be known as the following:

National Covid Service

No Health Service
No Help Service
No Hope Service

The time has/will come soon, for Boris and Co to admit, and come to terms with the fact that CV is endemic. It cannot be eradicated, and even if it could, it would mean killing the economy and the bulk of the UK population to achieve that. Once that has been accepted, the logical and only solution is a completely new strategy. I suspect Rishi will be the focal point for the ‘path breakage’ event. I’m not convinced he has what it takes to be PM, but he is good enough in the short-term to use as an excuse for a change in strategy for the party.

Their intention is to kill the economy and the bulk of the UK population. This has nothing to do with CV.

I think there are certain people in and around Boris and the scientific community who have those ‘ambitions’, but that is not the case for the bulk of the Tory party. Boris has been captured and he is mentally ill. It is not his policies being pursued. Those people were waiting for their opportunity to destroy as much of western capitalism as they could, then CV came along. We still do not know who ‘ordered’ what, and when. In the event of an inquiry with full powers of subpoena, an email and text trawl from 23/24 January 2020 to 16 March 2020 would expose both.

I do agree the Boris has been captured. Everyone is under severe mental strain at the moment. I do think our politicians are largely merely puppets on a string. When I say ‘they’ I am referring more too that string pullers then the puppets but I do think the puppets know very well what they are doing. We always have choice even as puppets.

Every sitting MP has been complicit to some extent. Every member of government is neck deep. Replacing Boris with Rishi will do nothing to change our velocity. The only reason this will happen is if its felt it will provide enough political capital – wool to pull over the sheeps eyes – to continue the destruction of the economy and murder of the British people a little longer before we revolt.

As you say we need an inquire with full power of subpoena. I think we also need to immediate arrest of the government and its advisers – including Rishi – to ensure this can take place without those who have clearly been corrupted by powerful interests in a position to continue to cover up.

yep

Exactly! Surely we can never totally eradicate the virus until it has run it’s course and then be a seasonal problem like flu, colds etc. Unlikely to get a totally effective vaccine if at all, so we need to live with it.
It would be good if the government could actually inform us of what their strategy/goal actually is, and the measures to achieve that may make more sense.

I fear that the fear will be perpetuated just as long as it takes for the de facto mandatory vaccine to be rolled out. It is immaterial whether it affords any medical benefit; it’s what comes bundled with it (digital health passport with payment card) that is the real purpose.
A change of Govt figurehead is unlikely to change anything, imo. All are controlled by the Cummings / ‘Public Health’ cabal.
Anything short of a full-on multi-party parliamentary rebellion will not stop the vaccine juggernaut.

A question that needs to be put to those making policy on the treatment of students:
What do you consider to be the maximum acceptable increase in the suicide rate?
And what if any changes will you make to your policy if that level is exceeded?

It is undeniable that policy makers consider some rise in the suicide rate to be acceptable in the context of the benefits conferred by their policy. But that needs to be quantified to give a sense of what success and failure mean.

Absolutely valid but remember your dealing with a group of people who didn’t even think it necessary to analyse or quantify what the negative effects of a lockdown could be before they implemented it.

What I cant understand is how the suicide of an 18-20 year old can possibly be an acceptable loss to save someone of average age 82. I’m sorry to any older people out there but I am pretty sure you probably feel the same way if you’re on here.

No rise in suicide rate is acceptable because these are young people with their entire lives ahead of them who will be dying to save someone else who is at the end of their life. That’s not proportionate, from a utilitarian standpoint. You could argue that a young person also has much more to put into society than someone at the end of their life, and a lot of the tax revenue these young people will end up paying when they do get a job will go towards funding the elderly and economically inactive. This is why an ageing population combined with a falling birth rate is a demographic crisis waiting to happen but I digress.

All deaths are awful for the individuals involved but I think suicides are much more damaging on a societal level and they are also one of the most devastating ways to die. Imagine being so in despair and so hopeless at such a young age, when you have so much to offer to the world, that you come to the decision to go against one of the most hardwired human instincts – self preservation – and take your own life. Societies are meant to invest in young people because they are the future, so if our young people feel as if there is no future, then we have failed as a civilised society. How is that possibly less bad than an 80 year old dying of respiratory illness at the end of a good life.

I totally agree with most of what you say there, Poppy, but …

“All deaths are awful for the individuals involved”

Do you really believe that the natural end of life is inevitably awful? Isn’t that belief a large part of what’s driving the irrational response to this virus?

I agree with you, like I said, the elderly dying is a tragedy for the individual’s families but on a societal level, it is not a tragedy in the same way the suicide of a young person is.

But why do you think someone dying at the end of a long life is a tragedy for the individual’s family? We surely don’t want people to live forever so we have to want them to die sometime. As long as everybody treats death as some kind of failure, it’s no wonder people can’t think straight about it.

Probably shared before but doesn’t hurt.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/6

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/regulation/4/made

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/regulation/3/made
to a person responsible for a relevant place or an employee of that person acting in the course of their employment;

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/regulation/5/made
5.—(1) Where a relevant person considers that another person is, at the time of entering the relevant place, not wearing a face covering, in contravention of the requirement in regulation 3, the relevant person may deny entry to the relevant place to that person.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/regulation/2/made
(3) A person who is responsible for a relevant place includes the owner, proprietor, tenant or manager of the relevant place.

Scotland

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-phase-3-staying-safe-and-protecting-others/pages/face-coverings/#exemptions

Those exempt under the guidance and regulations do not have to prove their exemption and should not be made to wear a face covering or denied access to public transport, shops or public places. We ask for people to be aware of the exemptions and to treat each other with kindness.

Thanks again Toby for all your (thankless) hard work on this site and elsewhere.

I know you have always said that this is a cock-up rather than a conspiracy and I sincerely hope that you are right.

My problem with that theory is all this talk of a “New Normal”, the WEF Reset, ID2020 and so on – not to mention that any sensible ideas always fall on deaf ears. And since when did a winter flu-bug come with new cycle lanes and “health passports” attached?

I hope you are keeping an open mind on all this.

Because from where I am sitting, it looks increasingly as though they are spinning out the fear and keeping this going until they can bring in the changes they wanted all along.

At the beginning of this I remember Shapps stating that this was an opportunity for change and a national recovery would be a green recovery. Seems to fit.

Again, a duplicate ID. Why (assuming you are the same new Mark that has been posting for a couple of weeks now) do you choose to persist in posting under an ID already in regular use here (going back to April)?

Awaiting for approval, what does that mean?

Oh, it was approved

I think its getting harder and harder to deny that some if not all of the conspiracy theories relating to this flu outbreak may actually be true, people just don’t won’t to see it..understandably.

but this sort of thing is being slipped in via the main stream media to soften us up to ‘new’ ideas…
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/ng-interactive/2020/sep/25/garden-streets-bike-superhighways-cities-future-coronavirus

We’re already headed for universal basic income on the back of the economic car crash we are heading for (if not already in).

what next?

I think the longer they string this out the more likely we are to go back to the old normal. All the talk of ‘build back better’ will fall by the wayside with the economic catastrophe that is coming. ‘Just build back’ will be the rallying call of the hordes of unemployed.

No-one gave a shit about the environment when the 2008 financial crisis hit.

I really hope so. this ‘new normal’ sounds absolutely pants!

Sincerely hope so.

Their “New Normal” sounds highly abnormal to me…like Fahrenheit 451, 1984 and Brave New World all rolled into one :-((

I draw comfort from the fact that all these ‘utopian’ visionaries and theoreticians, as with economists and epidemiologists, fail to take into account human nature. We will have a tendency to snap back into place and into old patterns of behaviour, because behaving like human beings is what human beings do. I don’t deny that it’s also easy for new habits (mask wearing) to be learned quite quickly, but I do think that those kinds of things will tend to atrophy over time.

I’ve no doubt that there are things being implemented under cover of this manufactured ‘crisis’ that will stick and many of them will not be fore the good, but as steve_w says, the harder and longer they pull us away from our humanity, the harder and faster we’ll snap back.

Well a lot of what these visionaries are trying to implement goes against some of the most hardwired drives in humans – the need to be physically close to another, the need to sexually reproduce, to have some sort of meaningful purpose, whether that’s through a job or activities that bring communities together. That’s why I’m optimistic this will all fail in the long run but they won’t give up their utopian dreams without a fight.

Reproduction will be done via mail order, an Amazon delivery in a polystyrene box of specially selected sperm and a special tube…

Not to mention, tho’ I will, the indomitable spirit of human creativity…

“ I draw comfort from the fact that all these ‘utopian’ visionaries and theoreticians, as with economists and epidemiologists, fail to take into account human nature. We will have a tendency to snap back into place and into old patterns of behaviour, because behaving like human beings is what human beings do. “

The problem is that when the radicals really get a firm grip, as in Russia after their revolution or (seemingly) here and now, immense harm can be done before they can be escaped, and long-lasting damage remains after they are dead and gone.

But as you say, the inevitability of their ultimate failure is some comfort.

[For the record, I’m the Mark who’s been posting here for months, not the new one you replied to here]

Russia is an interesting case – as is Hitler’s Germany, Franco’s Spain, Mao’s China etc.

But it doesn’t do to have a truncated view of history. All those totalitarian regimes grew out of decayed and raddled old regimes – like that of the Romanovs – that had ceased to function properly and were inimical to the interests of the population, often governed by a small, dysfunctional clique.

No. Not all ‘the same’. But it’s worth thinking about the precursors of repression.

There’s a fundamental difference between common or garden authoritarian repression, which pretty much just seeks to sustain its own power and opportunities for exploitation, and radical tyranny that seeks to transform society. Both can include gross violence and repression, and both can involve disastrous incompetence resulting in devastating suffering, but the latter does far more profound harm to the basic humanity of the society, as we can see in Russia which is still profoundly damaged by communism.

You’re simply trying to make a distinction that doesn’t exist to fit your own world view.

Currently , Russia is suffering more from the damage done by the imposition of unchecked free-market banditry after 1980.Which is, ironically, one of the main motivations behind the Covid damage.

The fact that you try to pretend that something obviously true “doesn’t exist” demonstrates better than anything I could say that you are simply refusing to face up to reality. Nobody honest and without ulterior political motivation tries to pretend that the radicalism imposed by communists didn’t profoundly damage Russian society, to an extent that they are still a long way from recovering from.

I think you should change your name to Real Mark, like Donald Trump does on Twitter. Then we know straight away who you are.

Actually, the software shouldn’t even allow it. I’m surprised it does.

UBI won’t work. I’d give it 12 months at most before you had total economic collapse. They can’t even afford a furlough.

Just because all sorts of dodgy groups come crawling out of the woodwork in a crisis, it does not follow that they caused or colluded in the crisis, or are conspiring in it. Old normal will resume, because old normal, for all its faults, is an evolution, a series of solutions for a series of problems.

NO centrally planned economy survives, and those imposed post collapse, rarely last a year. qv USSR 1917-19

I was against the first lockdown and think we should have taken the Swedish approach.

But I could see the point of those saying we needed to do something to stop the NHS being overwhelmed which would lead to a lot of non-covid deaths.

That argument seems to fail on the fact that we closed down the NHS for non-covid patients and lots of people (20,000 cancer alone – ONS) died anyway. And we didn’t need the NHS that much for covid-19 because there’s not a lot we could do with them – bed rest, paracetemol and Oxygen (which can be done at home) for the worst.

I am amazed at the degree of amnesia suffered by the GBP (Great British Public – an entirely sardonic term).

The only justification for extensive quarantining (aka ‘lock-down’) was as a short -term measure to gain breathing space for a potential surge in health demand.

There was never any basis for extending this or introducing any other subsequent measure – as testified by all previous planning documents.

Novivax USA vaccine trail rnters phsse three. 10, 000 people to be trialed. UK has bought 60 million doses of the vaccine when it reaches market.

Apologies, drifted off. I’ll have the cheese board and a glass of Port please

Just so you know, everything’s slightly worse than it was before. Repeat ad nauseum.

Sir. You are lying in a hedge outside the Rose and Crown, you have shit your trousers and I am a police officer.

Why do the Swedes always get it right?
https://mg.co.za/article/2019-05-31-00-no-perks-for-swedish-mps/

A fascinating read.

Conclusion : It isn’t a case of ‘new parties’. It’s a case of ‘new people’ – in the sense of eliminating the side-show of false incentives for climbing a greasy pole.

Remember Gordon Brown and his windfall tax on the energy companies?

We need a windfall tax on the pharmaceutical and testing companies. All profit made between the start and end of the crisis to be taken away. They won’t be so keen to do it next time.

A wealth tax to pay for the all the free money is more likely.

I strongly object to blaming young people for the current rise in ‘cases’.

My 24-year-old daughter has barely left the house since March. She crosses the landing from her bedroom to the study where she works all day every weekday, with an occasional diversion to the kettle. She works for the public sector so they’re not all getting money for nothing either. On the handful of occasions (no more than ten) that she has seen her friends, they have met in the park. She occasionally visits her father, who has a suppressed immune system and who she is extremely concerned about as she fears he is depressed from isolation and the decimation of his business.

However, She IS now going out on a regular once a week basis to visit a counsellor who she has begun seeing during this period.

So, yes, she’s definitely to blame.

I certainly don’t blame the young for trying to live their lives as much at possible. I’m mid 40’s and I want to see the next generation LIVING life to the full, not merely EXISTING. The truth is that by doing so, there’s a good chance they’ll actually ‘protect granny’ by increasing the amount of immunity and passing on only infectious (rather than fatal) strains.
Why should they lose their youth to protect (sad as it is) an average age of covid death of 82? It’s utter selfishness to expect then to do so open-endedly.

I don’t want Rishi either. I don’t want any of this lot, or the other lot.

I want a new party run by serious people who have done something in the world, not just done PPE (or worn PPE, or whatever it is), who would understand that destroying the economy would have dreadful consequences, that closing the NHS for six months would be devastating and who would listen to grown-up scientists, and who would regard all of this as common sense and nothing more.

And I want people who want western civilisation to continue and who won’t suck up to ridiculous pressure groups that would bring chaos if they ever came to power.

I though the last election was our last chance. I hope I was wrong.

#MeToo

“I want a new party run by serious people who have done something in the world”

The problem with that is that if you established that idea a year ago, both Vallance and Whitty would qualify for government.

WTF? You can be jailed for pretending to be French

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/blaine-mortie-london-cardiff-jailed-18986982?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Zut alors…

C-19 virus is only 0.000000125 m (not mm), sorry, been keeping me awake since yesterday’s comment reply. 125 nanometres so decimal point 9 places to left.

Yes BUT the virus is stopped by an old T-Shirt. Especially blue ones.

yes – a one ten thousandth of a mm (0.000125mm)

Absolutely tragic and an unnecessary loss of life. Unfortunately this is one of the unintended consequences of diverting very scarce police resources to seeing people are out of bars and restaurants by 10pm instead of doing real policing.

http://news.met.police.uk/news/murder-investigation-launched-after-officer-shot-in-croydon-411379

Yes, exactly what I said to my neighbour who just sent me this link.

I used to work in Croydon and there was often violent scuffles and stabbings, rarely saw a policeman.

C dick should be sacked immediately.

A positive experience yesterday. Attended a hospital clinic for an eye problem, saw various technicians to have tests done, then consultation with the senior consultant. I asked about waiting time for the operation, 3 or 4 months depending on this Covid business he said – I detected scepticism – I was right. Masks off and a 20 minute chat about the insanity of it all. Empty ICU wards, false positive, uselessness of masks – the lot. I left with a spring in my step.

That’s sounds great. Wish I could have been there to join in.

We need them to speak out. PCR tests are being used to lock us up and ruin our lives and livelihoods

Not wanting to rain on your parade, but it is exactly these medical staff that need to start voicing their concerns, with their colleagues, publicly over the current inertia of the NHS. Patient care should be their priority, and in such a profession there is a moral obligation to act when you are aware care is being severely compromised

I promise you that many of us our. I have a small but significant campaign group in our department, who have sorted visiting and other issues for our patients.
We are questioning everything and pushing back continuously on the second wave / National covid service narrative.
I have been reported to the GMC already for my social media use in spreading actual data rather than scaremongering lies. They are fortunately not investigating further but it’s frightening. I will be suspended if I push much harder but it’s a risk I am happy (ish) to take.
I am not alone in doing this but it is hard and taking a huge emotional toll as I bloody loved my job before March…

Are not our.

Thank you so much. The local head consultant in xxxxxx at my hospital feels the same. She says that it’s now become political. The hospital heads have realised that they’ve denied much needed health care to so many under due covid that they are doubling down on the covid fear to cover themselves.
Unfortunately, like so many qualified medical professionals, she’s afraid to speak up.
It’s depressing.

Thank you Dr Y.

Remember how we were all outraged by that brave Chinese doctor who tried to alert the world of the impending pandemic and was hassled by police, then subsequently died. How is GMC disciplinary action much different than that ? You speak out about harm being done to patients and they threaten you with your livelihood. I understand that GMC has suspended more than 500 medics for speaking out.

I understand that GMC has suspended more than 500 medics for speaking out.

Ooh, that’s interesting, and potentially a big deal. Any way we could obtain definitive figures ?

Thank you! Can you tell us which region or general area you are in?

Leicester

Additionally many of the admin and technician staff were fairly relaxed about masking, with chin warmers and ear ornaments noticeable.
On both recent occasions I had attended there had been an air of disorganisation. When I asked a receptionist why my appointment was nearly an hour late he sighed and mentioned the constantly changing directives from management making it difficult to run things properly. I sympathised.

Already things to annoy me this morning – Walked past McDonalds and a pub this morning. Now they wont let you past the threshold unless you scan/fill in your details. Well that’ll help business.

Popped on the radio to find the station sponsored by the NHS T&T app. Will be constant all weekend bleating about downloading the app. Luckily I have Spotify.

Oh, then got back to see the new Morrisons advert on TV showing you their new bouncers on the door.

Nice. Let’s threaten out customers – and ultimately put our prices up to pay for this nonsense.

That’ll be great for business :-))

You should watch last night’s edition if Hollyoaks (you are obviously intelligent enough no to do so) pissed myself at the level of mind control on display. All characters obviously all >6ft apart and almost shouting at each other, scene involving a woman who has given birth, doctor and other characters wearing a mask (1 flower power mask) then taken off and then scenes where said characters are maskless but carrying them and getting them in shot.

Hollyoaks more so than all other soaps have always been the crudest form of social ‘programming’. Literally programming ideas into the population. The bbc have started soaps in far away countries – storylines about bank cards and so on. Hollyoaks are as subtle as a klaxon about it.

Oh isn’t McDonalds dreary, ours are shockers too. Not regulars, but had to eat something before cinema. No one at counter, people clustered around some screen to order and the place was filthy. Gave up and jumped back in car and went through drive-thru. I don’t see the attraction. Won’t be going back for a long while.

Today’s page looks closely at Sir Patrick Vallance’s “infamous graph” which postulated 50,000 cases by the end of October (not a prediction mind) and a 200 daily mortality rate by mid-November if it materialised.

The graph was clearly meant to be scary.

But 200 figure isn’t so scary compared to the 50,000 figure.

Why such a low mortality figure?

Is there any rational to it? Is it what the the rate expects unrelated to ‘case’ numbers?

Comments please.

Even the 200 was wrong. It assumes an IFR of 0.4%.

It is more like 0.1%, so only 50 a day.

And of course that is wrong too. There won’t be 50,000 “cases”.

even 200 is pretty small for respiratory infection deaths in the winter

To paraphrase: “It’s not the cases that count, it’s who counts the cases…”

Those cases are not yet converted through to deaths yet – curve is slower than spring oddly.

Virus is worn out from all those summer bbqs and beach parties.

It is all a giant game of let’s pretend.

Without overwhelming panic in the system symptoms are being correctly diagnosed.

Lungs are not routinely being inflated by ventilator killing patients – this practice steepened the spring death rate.

The most vulnerable people have died already in spring.

Mis diagnosed cold and flu symptons are less – remember a covid19 death is a symptom of covid being recorded 28 days prior to death.

28 day limit in place of covid19 being a factor on death cert – sping it was limitless.

Less people die now than in late winter anyway. Comparing Sept with Jan 5000 more die in Jan usually.

Just lazy speculations.

Oh… the carehomes haven’t been seeded to such an extent.

Carehome staff are not carrying it about because immunity.

Revdesivere (sp?) is used?

Sneaking use of HCQ might be happening?

Vitamin d levels are higher after summer.

Not remdesivir outside of a hospital setting.
And remdesivir (apart from being hugely expensive) does not reduce mortality.
I doubt Summer itself did much to boost Vit D levels, if residents are isolated indoors.
Hopefully, much use of Vit C and Vit D supplementation.
Prophylactic HCQ would certainly save lives, but I doubt it is being used.
Plus the virus itself has lost its virulence (in my opinion).
Deaths peaked in mid-April, followed by inexorable decline. This pattern is seen everywhere in Europe, regardless of interventions.

Just looking at the pattern of weekly all-cause mortality from July to late October for the last 5 years (England and Wales)

Obviously, a problem arises from the two-week lag in the ONS publishing 2020 figures.

One feature is the notable dip in week 35 which seems to have transferred to week 36 this year. This suggests a recording issue -??

That apart, 2020 shows (up to week 37) a pattern that mirrors other years. In week 37, deaths are on an upward trajectory, coming out of the dip. Doing a moronically simplistic projection a la Whitty/Vallance – you then get startling growth, even though, every year, the trend levels off below 10000 deaths per week, then rising slowly into the autumn.

It is true that this year, the rise has taken mortality for that week to 300 above the next highest year, but that lies well withing the normal range of relative variation.

The crashing into further measures like a rogue elephant has no basis in this evidence, even given the comparison being based on a period of historically low mortality.

This suggests a recording issue -??

I think that was the last bank holiday

That was my interpretation – although the delayed verification should have sorted that out. But yes – that’s the obvious explanation.

Excellent stuff Rick H thank you.

Could it be he’s set a low bar so that if it is exceeded it will be justification for a second lockdown, or other draconian measures?

Field report: school gate

HAd a newsletter yesterday from head, in it, a small line at bottom saying a number of parents had contacted her about how there’s not always “safe distance” at drop off and there’s a few vulnerable staff. Could we please oblige by wearing masks for drop off and pick up. “Hopefully it won’t be for long” doc she was apologetic.

I was devastated. I’ve just moved child to fee paying school to help her with special need (dyslexia) and one of the things I was pleased about was the sensible approach to schooling in this “pandemic”.

Decided would just turn up today and if harassed would not respond and call out said harassment in non-violent way.

No need. Senior teacher on gate not in mask. Only one parent in mask. She looked morally superior and definitely checking to see who else wearing. Bet it wasn’t her that badgered the head.

Hope we don’t see a mask increase. Will report back on how it revolves.

Evolves…

At my daughter’s school (primary) the Head stands at the gate unmasked. There have been repeated requests for parents to mask, but the greatest compliance rate has been about 50 percent, usually much lower. Thing is this: Head very friendly to masked parents, cold and dismissive to the unmasked.

Are we being moved to a point at which having a face will be a privilege of high status, while others of lower status must be gagged and expressionless?

almost zero mask wearing amongst teachers and staff at my children’s school (2 parents at last count)

Fab!

https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-face-mask-a-powerful-symbol-of-covid-oppression/

Repeated requests is a bit rubbish. And she’s out there maskless… I think you are right

Challenge the school in a constructive way

Will see how next week pans out and decide then

Our daughters school has told parents they must wear masks for collection and drop off from Monday. That, along with the children being banned from singing, should keep everyone nice and safe.

Interesting use of a notice period there. Odd, given that everyone who will wear a mask must already possess one. The notice period itself must be useful in manufacturing consent.

This happened in our school last week. 1 person choosing to wear a mask last week. This week, I am the only person not wearing a mask for my daughter’s class. I am making eye contact and smiling at everyone. Husband did pick up on Wednesday, who is also a hospital consultant. Only other parent not wearing a mask is also a hospital doctor…
There’s a lot of judging going on but I give zero fucks.

It’s easier for you, of course, because you have the medical knowledge to back up your position. Is there any way you can contact/support other parents who lack that knowledge but who believe that masks are wrong?

I suppose if it’s widely known among the children that three parents who are doctors think it’s nonsense, that’s not a bad start.

Please everyone fill in this survey for the campaign UsforThem:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfMxXuV26e7mK6YbAt_Cbb_eaTjI8AQPDRopOx-ZPcrwu2asw/viewform?c=0&flr=0&gxids=7757&vc=0&w=1

They are collecting evidence about masks and schools and want to hear from all parents whatever the school is asking for and even if they are being very reasonable then they will want to hear.

Thanks, I will

Well done you for continuing to not wear. Where’s has this request come from? It sounds universal.

Thanks for pointing to the HuffPost article. It was … interesting. I particularly enjoyed

Are they right?

Yes, but only in a statistical sense. Applied to the real-world, the conclusions don’t stand up and are wildly misleading.

Well, if statistics don’t apply to the real world, I wonder why the article spends time discussing them … but on to their next point

Positive test rates are going up as a percentage of total tests – this is not disputed.  But this can’t be because of an increase in false positives as the rate of false positives remains constant unless the actual method of testing changes, which it hasn’t.

Well, I don’t know whether the FPR rate has increased, but more to the point, neither do HuffPost. In fact, I’m inclined to challenge this on two points, both of which arise from the rapid increase in test capacity and the admittedly declining turn-round. The GOS report made it clear that FPR comes mainly from operational considerations — taking and handling of samples, recording and reporting, and so on. It seems at least plausible that these –largely human — factors have been getting worse just as turn-round has. It is also not clear that expanding capacity has been done by bringing in exactly the same lab tests — there are at least 11 on the market which PHE assessed for use.

Additionally, if false positives were causing the spike in numbers, it would be uniform across the UK and it isn’t.

A fair point, but testing is regional too. So a decline in standards may be associated with some rather than all centres.

So I would say that there is at least a possibility that increasing positive test rates are due at least in part to consequences of the rapid expansion in test capacity and declining standards of the delivery.

That’s not to say that I discount the other indicators of rising infection rates at least in some regions such as the North-West. I think there is definite evidence of regional rises, although nothing on the apocalyptic doubling-every-week scale presented this week. This weeks population-level figures from ONS are due out today, I look forward to them.

I had always assumed the FPR would increase with increased testing because of the problems you describe.

I also think that as testing increases they test more outside the NHS (where everyone had it months ago) and into the wider community which would show an increase

I thought that the lower actual infections in the population were, the higher a false positive rate would be returned. If the real rate of infections increases the false results are lower. You still get false returns, but not at 90%+ (which is what we could be seeing), dependant on the overall number of tests being conducted. Is that correct?

the lower the prevalence, the higher the false positives make up of the total positives. with a fixed FPR and fixed number of tests, the overall number of false positives would remain the same. but testing is going up, I suspect the FPR is going up (hastily built labs, poor procedure, new staff) and as the number of tests increases we start testing a different section of the population

Its complicated and will takes years to work out in retrospect, which makes Dumb and Dumber’s non-prediction prediction graph all the more stupid

Also cranking the cycles to multiply RNA-DNA, above 40 the world is your lobster it seems.

There is also the issue that false positive rates are reported to increase to as much as 7% if other coronaviruses are present (as mentioned by Swedenborg recently). As the common cold ramps at this time of year up then maybe the false positive rate increases…

Just going to put this up again before I nip off to Wetherspoons for a breakfast

What do the different colour lines represent?

weekly deaths for respiratory illnesses over 2019 and 2020 with covid on top

for some reason lockdown had zero effect on respiratory illnesses and covid deaths (overestimated) are far below other respiratory illnesses now

Do you have an equivalent for hospitalisations? Would be interesting to see what lockdown did

Peak deaths on 8 April, too soon to have been affected by the great incarceration (23 days back takes us to 16 March). CEBM Oxford.

Thankyou! This is exactly the kind of simple, clear detail we need. I can send this to our elderly relatives to help them see that we are being lied to.

Great article.

Why your positive test result is likely wrong
https://www.anhinternational.org/news/why-your-positive-test-result-is-likely-wrong/

When it comes to health, we’re all for monitoring. But there has to be some caveats. Here are a few:

1) That the test must be accurate

2) If there’s a chance your test result might be wrong, you should be told

3) Any actions that follow from the test result must have been subjected to a careful balancing of risk and benefit – taking into account not only health-related factors, but also social and economic ones.

Msny thanks. I will be sending this to my MP with a cover note, as they obviously need educating.

An interesting article on the consequences of an obsession with death.

“According to Becker in his Pulitzer Prize-winning book “The Denial of Death” (1973), the knowledge that we as individuals are fated to die is a uniquely human problem, one that can lead to existential despair, mental illness, and paralysis of the will. As a result, he claims, we humans have evolved different methods to repress our fear of mortality.”

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/word-less/202009/covid-19-and-the-denial-death

N.B. The author is not a sceptic, but the reality or not of the object of fear is not very relevant to the consequences he details

I read Becker back in the day. I thought he had some profound things to say about the challenges of being a conscious being in a world of uncertainty (except for the certainty of death of course!). IIRC his ideas had some strong links to existentialism…no surprise that Camus set one of his greatest works in a plague…

A novel to read and re read at anytime, but especially now

via Douglas Murray: Miguel de Unamuno ‘For the present let us remain keenly suspecting that the longing not to die, the hunger for personal immortality, the effort whereby we tend to persist indefinitely in our own being, which is, according to the tragic Jew (Spinoza), our very essence, that this is the affective basis of all knowledge and the personal inward starting-point of all human philosophy, wrought by a man and for all men and this personal and affective starting point of all philosophy and all religion is the tragic sense of life.’

I’m not, and never have been a Tory voter, so it’s unfamiliar territory to be speaking up for one of them, but listen to Rishi Sunak’s words “It is on all of us, we must learn to live with it and live without fear” . Surely this is exactly what LS’s want to hear?

Empty rhetoric until he speaks out against the restrictions or says anything concrete that is remotely skeptical.

There’s a limit to what he can say without having to resign. I think he is manoeuvring. He needs to know he has enough support before he can challenge Boris but it looks like the Tory Party are moving in his direction. Politics is the long game

There is lots of manoeuvring now which is good, so hopefully you are right. But I’m worried it’s all going to end up in a coup based on the claim that the government just ‘bungled’ the situation, all about Test & Trace failures, PPE failures, maybe even the care home debacle, rather than any sort of reversal of general policy.

Apparently he was in the meeting with Profs Heneghan and Gupta – seems he’s taken their advice onboard

He might actually be able to read a graph, unlike hapless Hancock.

He’s moving in the right direction – maybe. As a politician he will be looking for any opportunity to enhance his prospects (future PM?). Perhaps he’s detected a move towards the sceptic viewpoint. I hope so.

I expect he is sceptic because he is looking at the effects of lockdown hour by hour. What he said is a mainstream lockdown position. He might be doing a lot behind the scenes. My MP claims to be.

Having Indian heritage he may well be more in touch with what is happening there. 5 month lockdown, 200 million unemployed and for what? To delay the epidemic by 5 months which is hardly killing anyone anyway

… and has a notably repressive and divisive regime in general

I suppose it is easy to for people to interpret words differently. I have lived without fear since the start and would be prepared to live with it IF restrictions were removed. The only thing that I want to hear is that all the hysteria is finished with and people can once again get on with a meaningful and happy life.

Rishi Sunak certainly seems a huge upgrade on Boris Johnson. The only problem is he is very much a Davos elite type (very privileged background, ex-Goldman Sachs, married into one of India’s riches families). He will be very keen on all the ‘Great Reset’ and fourth industrial revolution agenda. Which is ultimately about the elite socially engineering the masses on a scale unimaginable ever before.

“ a huge upgrade on Boris Johnson.”

That bar is as low as it gets!

Any minister, with any integrity should be resigning from the cabinet and explaining very clearly why, they have to make clear their opposition to the draconian measures being introduced by the Johnson administration.

Any that fail to do so (all of them to date) are implicitly supporting the administration and its policies.

But we are not living with it. We are trying to hide away from it (not me personally) with stupid restrictions.

Here’s my theory on the emergence of the Wuhan lab flu. It’s not based on evidence, just a gut feeling. What do you reckon?

The virus was not released maliciously. Rather, the Wuhan Institute of Virology have been experimenting with zoonotic virus transfer involving bats. To facilitate the work there were bats, alive and dead, on site. One of the technicians spied an opportunity to make some money. He took a load of the bats to the local wet market and sold them. Voila! We have COVID-19.

Lab was doing gain of function work funded by Fauci after it was banned by USA. Possibly explains Fauci’s bat shit crazy behaviour.

Batshit crazy!

Shopping report …

Aldi, B&M and Pound Shop visited. Of course i was totally unmasked and no lanyard etc. No problem with any of the shops. Nothing changed. Staff all totally pissed off with having to wear masks . All very chatty. One girl happily walking around sipping a cup of tea admitting that was so she didnt have to wear the mask. Staff all very chatty and i think glad to talk to someone unmasked .
Similarly, very small child in trolley. Mum masked. Fascinated by me being unmasked and smiling … child chuckling away .
Finally visit to local chemist. They had to reintroduce the max 2 customers rule. Also a sign on door about masks but they asked no questions.
As to shoppers, i saw only 3 other people unmasked.

So – dont wear a mask.. walk confidently. Smile. Be chatty with the staff. they love it .. In my part of the world they are so pissed off. Everyone i spoke to thinks it is all pants .

We have just had a testing centre appear this week on a country park car park. Will have to check this out in more detail on my morning walk.

Finally, on the death of the policeman. I dont actually feel sorry about it . I am sure i would not have felt like this a year ago. Is that a changed attitude to police and authority? or just the general slide to become a sociopath ?

Given that lovely and helpful update, you are certainly no sociopath, so I guess it must be the former.

just listening to report on the policeman. It seems someone was arrested for having ammunition, Taken to the police station and into custody. Policeman was a sergeant so assume it was the desk sergeant as the suspect was being booked in. Gun wasnt a police gun so suspect must have had it on his person when he was brought in
Wasn’t the suspect searched? Isnt this basic police procedure.? Were they more concerned with PPE and whether he was wearing a mask (just hearing an ex copper on radio about new covid procedures that they have to follow . Were these to blame? Also this copper saying the covid protest last week was violent towards the police)
Given the low esteem that the police are increasing being held in these days because of their politicisation is there something behind all of this?
And thanks to Kath below …. You are right – I dont think it is sociopathy.. Just cynicism .

Assumptions are always subject to rebuttal as more info comes in, but at this stage I’d assume that this was a death attributable to BLM and political correctness But we don’t know yet even the ethnicity of the perp, so that might be less directly relevant than this reasonable assumption suggests. .

“ Asked about how someone could enter the building while armed, former Det Ch Insp Chris Phillips said: “I think police officers are probably less likely to search people now with all the furore that goes on.
“When people get arrested there is a general view that they should be searched before being transported to the police station but that doesn’t always happen – and it depends on what the man was arrested for in the first place.
“This goes down the line about handcuffing – do you handcuff, when do the handcuffs get taken off for protection etc. “”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54293111

Note that the police aren’t in the least concerned about handcuffing respectable middle class folk whom they know perfectly well are no threat, merely to humiliate them.

“Also this copper saying the covid protest last week was violent towards the police.”

No it wasn’t. There was violence, and we all know who started it. Tomorrow might be interesting.

Finally, on the death of the policeman. I dont actually feel sorry about it . I am sure i would not have felt like this a year ago. Is that a changed attitude to police and authority? or just the general slide to become a sociopath ?

I felt exactly the same way mjr. 9 months ago I would have been totally shocked by such an event, but when I read about it this morning all I could think was ‘I hope it was somebody protesting against Johnson’s fascism’.

I still do feel shock, but not at the event per se, more that my reaction to it has changed so much in so little time.

I don’t know the details about the death of the policeman, but I suppose I’m still a bit sympathetic. On the other hand, I occasionally used to watch these TV programmes Police Interceptors etc. when I had nothing better to do, but I never watch them now as I don’t think of the police as the good guys any more.

The shot policeman was the custody desk sergeant. The shooter was under arrest for possession of ammunition, and handcuffed. But he apparently could get to and fire a gun in his trouser pocket. All this from msm.

Very sad for the arresting officer who should surely have done a thorough search given the alleged offence ?

“ More than 40 Tory backbenchers back rebel bid to force vote on future lockdown measures ”

Problem is of course the Labour party under Keir Starmer. As this useless shower are even more pro lock down than the Tories don’t expect that they will do their functional duty and actually OPPOSE this despicable cabal that are causing so much devastation to the country.

But they love a government defeat….

I’m not a big fan of eating out but had been invited out yesterday for a meal. So went along only to be encountered by a mask officer on the door. I have sent the following complaint to their head office today.

I would like to complain about how I was treated by various members of staff yesterday evening. When I entered I was asked by a member of staff if I had a face covering and that I needed to wear one. I informed the person that I was exempt. They then followed this up by asking me on what grounds. I was completely shocked and taken aback by this question. I said I don’t think you should be asking me that. To which the response was a quite arrogant dismissal of what I had said, followed up with him going to get his manager. The manager came out and said very rudely “What’s the problem”. I informed her that I had no problem and I was exempt from wearing a face covering. No apology was issued by the manager, instead she instructed me that I had to sanitise my hands or I couldn’t enter. Again I explained that due to a health condition I was unable to do that. At which point I was allowed to meet my party at their table.

This whole confrontation left me feeling really embarrassed, degraded and humiliated.

I know the face covering rules are new for pubs/restaurants and I don’t know what briefing they had prior to this rule being implemented, but no member of your staff should be asking any customer why they are exempt from wearing a face mask. They should not even be asking them if they have one. They are breaking article 29 of the Equality Act 2010 by using this line of questioning and your company risks being prosecuted should a customer decide to take the matter further. I’ve attached the Equality Act. Article 29 is very clear that the service provider is breaking the law if they submit the customer to any form of detriment or harassment.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/contents

The law is also very clear regarding who doesn’t need to wear a face covering and I was amazed that no due diligence had been carried out by your company . I have attached the legislation and part 4 shows what constitutes reasonable excuse

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/contents/made

The government guidance also states that providing details of exemptions is not necessary by law.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own

An extract
“Those who have an age, health or disability reason for not wearing a face covering should not be routinely asked to give any written evidence of this, this includes exemption cards. No person needs to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about their reason for not wearing a face covering.

Some people may feel more comfortable showing something that says they do not have to wear a face covering. This could be in the form of an exemption card, badge or even a home-made sign.

This is a personal choice and is not necessary in law”

I haven’t yet decided whether to take this matter any further. I’m still feeling really shocked by the whole encounter. I’ve looked on the citizens advice website as to what classes as disability discrimination and what I experienced yesterday would class as that.

An extract

“Someone is harassing you if you find their behaviour towards you offensive, frightening, degrading, humiliating or in any way distressing”

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/discrimination-because-of-disability/what-counts-as-disability-discrimination/

I am hoping that a swift and sufficient response to this complaint from head office, with a formal apology and guarantees that a process change will immediately be implemented across all your chains ensuring what I had to endure yesterday does not happen to anybody else might be enough to make me not decide to take this further.

I await your response

I was absolutely fuming. I really wanted to walk out immediately but stayed because other people were already there. I have no idea how these people are running businesses without knowing about the laws they are trying to erroneously enforce.

A very good letter.

It is distressing to learn how keen people are to be authoritarian. Is it because they feel themselves downtrodden? By it’s nature the “hospitality industry” is a subservient trade to be in.

Look up the Milgram Experiment.

“ This whole confrontation left me feeling really embarrassed, degraded and humiliated .”

Don’t feel embarrassed. Don’t feel degraded. Don’t feel humiliated.

Refuse to accept those feelings in yourself, and substitute righteous anger for them.

It didn’t make me feel those things but I wasn’t really complaining just for me. It’s for people who would feel those things if asked what I was asked. I’m ok standing up for myself but a lot of people don’t feel like they can.

Very good. Can you name and shame the establishment please?

It was one of the chain of vintage inn restaurants.

Sorry this happened, and you are in no way in the wrong, but I really don’t think the claiming of exemptions (genuine or not) is a good way to go about things. From talking to many zealots, including a friend who is a shop worker, unfortunately claiming exemptions from mask wearing (especially when its just to get to your table) makes us look loopy and/or like snowflakes. And claiming a health condition makes you exempt from hand sanitisation? Not saying it’s not true but it sounds even less believable to your average bedwetter.

I just go maskless with no apologies, and if challenged (not happened yet) I will simply inform them I don’t agree with this madness, and then take my business elsewhere. Now I understand you were meeting friends so this wasn’t an option, but I take the view that in very restricted settings for limited time periods, I will maliciously comply to the minimum degree just to get along. (e.g. nose poking out, faking hand sanitising, etc.) As long as I am maskless in 90%+ of public situations, I am still doing my part to fight back and keeping my dignity without shooting myself in the foot.

I won’t comply with wearing a mask at any time, not even for 10 seconds to walk to a table. The point of the complaint was to highlight that they shouldn’t be asking anybody. That way the 10% of time you are currently masking up in public becomes zero if they are made aware that legally they can’t ask. That way nobody has to say they are exempt or wear a mask. You keep your dignity then at all times.

I know several people who developed rashes and eczema from having to use hand sanitiser. One is a diabetic who has to be careful with cuts and skin conditions in case they get infected. So you can definitely be medically exempt from having hand sanitiser forced on you.

I agree, it’s just about the effect that ‘causing a scene’ has on observers. If it’s just to harden their view that ‘anti-maskers’ are nuts, then it’s detrimental to our cause.

Similar to the current protests – they do far more for our opponents’ case than they convince the general population. Much better to have thousands of people gathering to quietly listen to reasonable speakers than a crowd of people shouting about Bill Gates, 5G and vaccines. I’m not saying he hasn’t got dodgy involvement or that I love vaccines, I’m just thinking about what could realistically work.

Agree totally. The hand sanitiser that people routinely splosh around in my shop causes me an extreme allergic reaction (breathing difficulties). I’m no wimp, but it causes me great distress.

toxic stuff. avoid like the plague.

The grest Van Morrison is not the only Irish crooner to have stepped skeptically into the recording studio.
Richie Allen of reedy voice notoriety took a train journey yesterday into Abbey Road Studios. The result was played at the beginning of last nights Richie Allen Radio Show. It’s not for everyone’s ear but it may reaquaint owners with lost cats if played loudly enough. There’s a 2 hour Radio Show attached which includes vallance’s 600k in GSK being spoken about. Richie is right it is a government shaking scandal that has been ignored by msm.

https://youtu.be/mzqSOlI3JP0

Probably not safe for work, if anyone works at work anymore.

Enjoy – and buy Van Morrison’s as antidote.

Allen makes quite an amazing observation.

He suggests because of the PCR test false positive scandal there are presenters/journalists who could end this whole situation. He gives names; Nick Robinson, Peirs Morgan and Susanna Reid, Kay Burley. Each, says Allen, has the position and reach to be able to cause the downfall of this whole fraud by simply going after the PCR false positive angle.

See 25 mins in for Allens comment about this. Excellent by him.

Correct, all fucking complicit in the lie.

Burley is a disgrace

Ian Brown (who I must apologise to for once thinking that he was a bit of a tw*t) is on the case as well and has recorded an an anti -lockdown song , “Little Seed Big Tree,” .

His last Tweet shows he is far ahead of most people

“ Please can all the learned academics and clever clogs recommend a history book telling of the time a government took away all your rights then gave them back!”

Please can all the learned academics and clever clogs recommend a history book telling of the time a government took away all your rights then gave them back!”

isn’t that just perfect and uses the best missing description from LS – clever clogs. Brilliant.

Tomorrow is set for Piers Corbyn’s anti lockdown rally. Is it a coincidence that Boris spent yesterday at a Northampton Police station and later on Sky listing all the fines he has added to frighten us. I sincerely hope that the Police and Army, if drafted in, do not provoke (or cause) violent behaviour. It would be very easy to insert agent provocateurs.

Maybe Carrie knows and that’s why she left the country.

Well, today see’s the stricter restrictions come into force in Scotland, this includes the banning of visiting other households.
This is outrageous, but el presidente sturgeon thinks that this is helpful.
Which it most certainly is not.

She has also said this & I quote “ We cannot and must not be complacent about COVID.

“It kills too many old and vulnerable people. And for younger, healthier people, while the risks of dying from it are much lower – though not non-existent – it can still result in long term, serious health problems.”

So, what is the need for this draconian measure? That is a total contradiction, yet she is blaming young people for this now (look at the university’s & the stupid rules they have to abide by)

Stupid cow that she is. I am deeply ashamed to be Scottish, 6 more months of this utterly needless shit, companies going to the wall, people losing their jobs, I am dreading this Xmas now, she will probably come out & say that Xmas dinner can give you coronavirus!! That would not surprise me anymore.
& all because of the common flu virus.

I despair now, I really do.

There is more freedom of association in Lukashenkos Belarus than there is in Rosa Krankies Scotland.
Funny how all the western press was getting upset about the police harassing people in Minsk but its quite alright for the goons in Police Scotland to harass the law abiding in Motherwell.

It’s insane.
El Presidente Sturgeon really is turning into a dictator now. The stupid bint that she is.

She’s absurd, and so are her numbers.
Daily figures:
558 new cases of COVID-19 reported; this is 9.5% of newly tested individuals.
89 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19.

89! Up a whole 4 from the day before… from 558 new “cases”.

Weekly figures:
2,742 new cases of COVID-19 reported.
Increase in patients in hospital, 21/9-25/9: 16
Increase in deaths, 21/9-25/9: 5

As I said, absurd.

I heard that someone local to me had a Covid test arranged yesterday. They turned up to find 2 hour queues and eventually had to abandon that day as it was getting so late. Next day they received a message: Your test result is positive – isolate.

Isn’t that Deception?

If TestResultIsClear Then
SendOKYouAreClearMessage()
Else
SendIsolationMessage()

In other words a null result (no test taken) sends the messsage to isolate

Basic programming with no error trapping

Something that would not surprise me at all

Has happened elsewhere – https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/21/gov-desantis-calls-for-investigation-as-those-not-tested-for-coronavirus-receive-positive-results/

How can they turnaround a “test” so quickly anyway?

The news that Belgium is abandoning the PCR test is good news indeed. Our government is committed to something that is impossible – elimination of the virus and universal vaccination. We must change course.

Although the Telegraph and a couple of other papers have mentioned Vallance’s share holdings in GSK, I have seen no emergence of this story generally.

Can anyone contradict this perception? Have I missed something (quite possible, given the disdain for the media that I operate under)

So – apart from the obvious implications re. Vallance, it seems an amazingly blatant indication of how far down the sewer journalism has descended in a fawning relationship with the establishment and its essential corruption.

Pick your target – one whom the establishment and journalist fellow travellers want to smear – and then consider whether this story would have received so little attention.

That is what we are up against.

We are also up against the “two fingers to you!” attitude, per Dominic Cummings. No matter what scandal comes to light, the Establishment now just sticks two fingers up at the country and carries on regardless.

As someone pointed out the other day, a very large percentage of the msm’s ad revenues will be coming from the government warning ads so they probably have been shackled.

The BBC will be doing their best to memory hole this one as well.
Give it a couple of days and Twatface will censor it as Fakenews.

Just clicked and collected, bit of a cop out but as I’m on the verge of exploding if confronted oh felt is was safer.

Young girl brought the bags out, huge black mask covering a pretty face.

‘no need to wear that mask on my account’

‘it’s ok, I do hate it though’

‘there are exemptions, please take care of your health’

‘we all hate them and don’t want to be ill’

‘well, you won’t catch ‘it’ but there are lots of other infections you are in danger of’

‘i know, we are all wondering the same’

‘please be careful’

‘we will’

She was fiddling with it (the mask) but was happy for me to help her load the car.

fiddling with masks while picking items for ‘click and collect’ orders are likely to spread pathogens and other nasties ida thought…

Yes, nearly all staff wear them so it must be the same when stacking shelves

A question, did Vallance/Whitty make up the “dodgy” chart themselves or did it come from another source?

I’ve wondered this, there must be a minion or minions producing the charts and slides. I’m a data analyst and can read a chart and would definitely question the figures.

Valid question! Find it hard to imagine them sitting at the computer plugging the numbers into Excel. I can imagine them being told which figures and charts they must or may not present.

I’ve assumed it was some brainy wonk in the No. 10 basement.

So has Twatt Handy-Cock now employed thousands more tracers again then?

No way in hell am I going to use the app, my phone can’t run it anyway.

Another question, does the NHSX app use bluetooth proximity as a social distancing app or is it just for registering you progress through public places?

Valid question! Find it hard to imagine them sitting at the computer plugging the numbers into Excel. I can imagine them being told which figures and charts they must or may not present.

Having spent quite a lot of time trying to use bluetooth to measure the location of wheeled cages, as used in shops, under pretty ideal conditions, corridors underneath an airport terminal, we could never get a reliable measurement of distance. Even when the measuring device, which had a specialised bluetooth aerial and the other device was static, the measured distance continually varied between 0 to 15 metres.

That’s interesting

In Bavaria the prime minister wants to utilise the army to help health department staff to trace. I know of someone, when military service was still compulsory, due to a health condition not active service bit was fiddling papers in the office. The most boring day he punch holed a piece of paper and put it into a folder. That was all he did called “work” that day. So utilising the army might actually give them sth to do.

Herd now will save lockdown Covids

I think we have to focus on this because the rates in London, where you would expect the numbers to go up first and spread more rapidly, are low an even falling.

It suggests to me that London is close to Herd immunity – studies in the summer suggested 17% had antibodies and roughly 2.5x that, i.e. 40% had T cell immunity. If the herd threshold is indeed the traditional 70% and not lower (it may be lower), then the T cell and antibody rates are getting close.

Birmingham next was suggested (ONS estimate I believe) at 10% antibodies so it has to catch up, and similarly northern areas a little less. So the virus is simply working its way through. There will be an uptick, ‘cases’ may be high but irrelevant with hardly any symptoms, and should even be encouraged to achieve herd.

Encouraged? Why? Because cases now are mild and cases midwinter in all flus will be worse. Scrapping all restrictions now will, in my view, pure and simple, save a few winter deaths from Covid.

I put it that way because so many are blind to the collateral deaths, don’t care about them, and accuse anti lockdown people of only focusing on the economy. If they won’t be persuaded by that, try this.

Super reasoning there Frank. The current way just doesn’t work and doesn’t stand up to scrutiny, on that basis alone I think that your way should be used.

There is however one giant fly in the ointment, this isn’t about covid. This is all about controlling the population. The parallels with 1939 Germany are many, jackboots on the streets to control a mild flu (for moat)?… Hmm…

I think you are right and that we are probably a lot closer to herd immunity then many seem to think. Interestingly the “second wave” than was supposed to be happening in France and Spain (and later on here) seems to be losing steam and looks more like a ripple than a wave. The great problem though is that it seems that the goverment has little interest in actual facts and is acting on a hidden (to the gullible) agenda. They will manipulate and twist the facts any which way they can and, sadly, most of the sheep will fall for it.

So touchy cant other people see this.

Aaahh…the good old Covidiot word again…

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/covidiot-paisley-mum-bit-cop-22739624

She was also foaming at the mouth, is this another unknown symptom of the “virus”
Lol. Honestly, I give up.

I’ve read the story and it appears to be someone who sadly has a long history of issues with drugs and alcohol being aggressive when confronted by police officers. I’m fairly sure this will not be the first time she has been in a similar situation. I’m struggling to understand why the use of ‘covidiot’ in the headline?

Indeed, I was more getting at the use of the covidiot word.

Exactly. Is this the new normal now, anyone who is ill has covid and anyone who breaks the law for any reason is a covidiot.

Rabies most likely.

There are an estimated 1200 deaths from alcohol poisoning in the US universities each year, and let us say roughly hundred times more deadly alcohol than C-19. From a Public health perspective, you have a clear priority, but what are they doing instead and using massive resources and restrictions?

My seven year old little girl went to bed in tears last night because somebody at school told her that children have germs and that the germs she has will kill her granny.

I have no words anymore. My precious little girl is being damaged by this situation. I’m beyond angry.

Quite agree, it’s so cruel what they’re telling children about killing your granny. Even if granny never gets Covid but sooner or later dies from something else, as she will, will these kids believe it was their fault? Wouldn’t surprise me at all. Criminal.

On a lighter note, why doesn’t the government care about grandads?!

No they do not care about us, sexist crap!

Well I care Will. And my kids care too! Fuck what the government says or doesn’t say, it’s what the real people say. I apologise for swearing but I’ve had enough of being told what to think by talking heads on the TV. The kids need love and nurture, not horror and threats. We all do. I talk to lots of people about this, including a couple of veterans groups with thousands of members, I’m not the only one starting to go critical mass on this.

We lost more service personnel due to suicide after the Falklands War than were lost during that action. I know what we are going through now is not the same as that situation but there is huge psychological distress being caused. Planting such hateful ideas into our innocent children’s minds is so horrific I honestly can’t think of the words to express myself.

I’m ex-forces, front line medic, and after hearing my little one I wept on my wife’s shoulder, how do I protect her, and all the other kids, from the horror of this psychological abuse?…

That is just terrible, sorry to hear your little girl has been subjected to such vile hate speech.

Find out who told her such horrible and hurtful things and report them to the head teacher, and maybe visit the parents, for an instructive discussion.

It was most likely a teacher that fed the poor girl that poisonous thought in the first place.

In which case, the teacher should be instantly dismissed. Words have consequences, particularly with small children, its beyond contemptible, evil might be a better term!

If it’s an adult then it’s a safeguarding issue as that is emotional abuse, needs to be raised with the school. If that doesn’t work contact the safeguarding team at the local council.
If it was another child then the school needs to do something and should be told forthwith. Again if that doesn’t result in anything being said at the school raise a safeguarding issue with the local council child protection team.
This sort of nonsense needs to stamped out immediately.

Thanks p02. It was another child. I will be speaking to the headmaster this afternoon. He is a covid sceptic, under massive pressure to comply but doing his best to protect the kids and continue their education as normally as possible. I’ll post the results of our chat later.

Thanks Liam. It was other kids. The school is largely covid sceptic, they are careful to be overt but they toe the line but try to keep it to a minimum.

Do any of the zealots know or care what damage they are doing when they are poisoning our kids with this? What are the long term consequences?..

We need to return to normal as quickly as possible. There can’t be many more things these shithouses can do before I hit my own critical mass.

What do you expect to happen when kids are simply reflecting the nonsense that is everywhere – the little one talking about granny-killing is simply picking up on what she’s been told.

Thank you Kev. I’m ex-military front line medic, for the first time in many years I broke down in front of my wife last night. How can this happen to such an innocent little girl? Are all the kids cannon fodder or collateral damage to the god of covid now?

That’s awful. One more crime that Johnson and his criminal gang must answer for.

If in need of a morale booster watch Dolores Cahill on You Tube – date of 22/09/20. Sorry, can’t upload a link. She is discussing some credible sounding moves to hold those responsible to account under international law. She is also very good on the science behind covid.

So the bloke standing in the pub shouting (repeatedly) “The next rounds on me, get everyone a drink, landlord” is popular? Who’d have thunk it?

“And every man woman and child can pay for it, for the next few generations!”. Yet still they cheer,

There’s people in that pub he isn’t buying a drink for. I have a feeling they’ll be the ones picking up a chunk of tab.

Just been to our favourite cafe in Ludlow:WEAR FACE NAPPIES UNTIL YOU SIT DOWN AND WHEN YOU HAVE PAID THE BILL, PUT THEM ON AGAIN TO GO OUT.
One table was 2 ft from the entrance
I don’t blame the cafe, I blame Bojo et c.

It’s all down to smart Coroni. He never goes for people sitting down eating or drinking just for those who stand up or move.

There was some study that suggested taller people were more likely to catch it so maybe when you are sitting down you are too low down to catch it but when you stand up you are back in the danger zone again.

I’ve got the “I went to the Danger Zone!” song from Top Gun stuck in my head now.

When sitting down, it’s “Halfway to the Danger Zone”.

Sounds like a good argument for ditching the masks and everybody pootling around in wheelchairs!

they’ll have us crawling on the pavements soon – and you know most of the morons in this country would do just that if this shit-show government told them to!!

If academic research were published that showed that the virus hangs around in droplet form between 1-2 metres from the ground. Safest to keep below one metre.

Be safe. Protect others. Stay low.

Funnily enough, there is an NHS poster about that as well:

No wonder Sturgeon always looks so smug.

I see an opportunity for mandatory kneeling or wheelchairs perhaps…

Watched some culture show on the BBC last night where Mary Beard was desperately trying to come up with the positives for the Arts from the lockdown. It was pretty much just monologues and podcasts and maybe Netflix (they actually said that).

Why don’t you just tell it like it is BBC? The performing arts has been decimated, there is no positive. Maybe for stars with 100k Twitter followers and writers who can use the time usefully it’s OK but what about the set dressers, the dancers, the front of house, the decorators, the costume makers, the electricians, the sound technicians, the jobbing actors, the musicians, etc. Yep the star or even the writer may find some artistic inspiration from lockdown but behind them there’s 100 people without jobs or income.

All ignoring the fact also that the performing arts is a social act. That’s where it gets it’s meaning. Without that it’s nothing.

Yes. I saw that programme – and generally I like Mary Beard (someone who attracts such venom from the moron class can’t be bad).

But I too felt that she was busting a gut trying to find positives in a massively negative situation. And I’m sick of every programme/presenter rattling on incessantly about ‘lockdown’ and ‘What I’ve done in the panicdemic’. And not one calling it out for the toss that it is.

One of my close family woks for a national company in the arts/theatre sector, and we discuss the depredations every time we speak on the ‘phone.Even though the company she works for is putting a brave face on things – as are others – and given that her personal resilience has been amazing, the actuality is dire, and trying to see the positives is like admiring the workmanship on the Titanic’s deckchairs as they float on the waves.

On a personal level, were intending to meet up for a weekend tomorrow – but she felt, not a fear of the vanishing Covid – but a fear of picking up any minor infection because of the risk of it quarantining the whole company, given the nature of her role across groups. This is where the insanity of reacting wildly to every sore throat and sniffle has led us.

And mad Vanessa Redgrave hamming it up for all it was worth was the cherry on top. I have to say, as a one time jobbing actor, it doesn’t half grind my gears when l listen to multi millionaire actors banging on about support for the arts. When I didn’t have any acting work I pulled pints, I got on a shovel, ground working and laying concrete. Anyone can use a paint brush, a vacuum cleaner or even an iron if they don’t consider it beneath them, unfortunately most people in the arts think the world owes them a living.

I firmly believe that the arts are being deliberately decimated as they have always been the catalyst and driver for counter culture.

The arts have been decimated for a long time now. It’s ruthlessly conformist,someone like Laurence Fox who goes against the grain is marginalised.

I can’t remember if I read this here or elsewhere, so apologies if it’s been posted before, but I think it’s such a huge talking point to bring up that it could really get people thinking:

“Covid-19 Wipes Out an Estimated 500 Million Jobs Worldwide”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-23/virus-work-damage-tally-now-seen-at-almost-500-million-jobs

The equivalent of 500 million jobs lost.

Aye, the only thing dying of this fucking virus is people’s livelihoods.

Covid has done nothing of the sort. Politicians’ reaction to Covid has done this. Never forget who the guilty parties are.

Yesterday I had the strangest thing happen.
I went over to Inverness for the first time this year. It’s a go to place for me rather than Abergloom when I’m home on leave, I’m midway between both. I haven’t been there this year just because of the maskfuckery.
I won’t bore you all with the empty train, empty train car parks and all the seats and shelters of every station being out of bounds.
So I went to Waterstones to buy a couple of books. I am determined to not use amazon and keep my cash on the high streets, also it’s just better to have a rake and look at the books.
Anyways, I chose 2, one that I wanted and another I fancied and went to pay.
The checkout girl, and I don’t like to be judgemental or make assumptions about people but she was BLM all the way, saggy jumper and purple comedy hair.
So here’s how the transaction went:

Me – ‘Hi, here you go’ (put the 2 books through the little hole in her Perspex screen)
BLMCG – ‘Can you turn them over please’
Me – ‘Sorry. What?’
BLMCG – ‘Can you turn them over please’
Me – ‘Why?’
BLMCG – ‘So I can scan them’
Me – ‘Well can’t you do it?’
BLMCG – ‘Well you’ve touched them’
Me – (Natural rising of heckles, my personal hygene is beyond reproach..) ‘Yeah but my hands are clean, also used that gel on the way in’ (was made to)
BLMG – ‘Yes but you don’t want lots of people touching your books right?’
Me – ‘I don’t really care, I used to pick up used scud mags out of bushes when I was a kid’ (And for the record, still would ;))
I turn the books over but they’re on top of each other, so BLM Checkout girl can only see 1 bar code, so she gingerly, with one finger pushes the top book far enough away so she can see the barcode on the one beneath.
Me – ‘You touched that. You’re probably going to die now…’
BLMCG – ‘oh hmm ah’
BLMCG – ‘Were any of them discounted?’
Me – ‘Eeerm yes, maybe’ (Screaming in head – don’t blush, don’t blush, don’t blush you always look guilty..!!)
BLMCG without even checking, manually rings through my 50% discount.
Waterstones just lost £9 because their bedwetting employee wouldn’t lift a fking brand new book to check if they both had stickers on..!
Ok, a tiny bit of a moral dilemma as I really want my high street shops to exist but if their employees are going to be absolute roasters then, fuck’em……

I hope you didn’t try and pay by cash?

I should have. Might brave it again next week and go with a pocket full of manky loose change….

Do that trick where you pretend to pull a coin out of your ear and hand it to them, see what they do then.

People are mental. What the hell is wrong with people. Crazy fools.

They’ve been terrified by months of dishonest, deliberately exaggerated information from politicians and media.

yep. The brainwashing machine really has “done a number” on people. Good and proper.

A ‘like’ just for ‘scud mags’ alone!

If she’s under 24 she won’t even get Universal Credit when they close. If she does get UC, she won’t survive.

Saggy jumper and purple hair. The official uniform of the bookshop.

lol @ scud mags.

“Absolute roasters”. Now there is a slang word, exiled as I am in England for the SNP nationalist nonsense, that I haven’t heard in years. First genuine LOL moment I have had for a long time.

Thanks for cheering me up.

Haha, my pleasure. If Josef Sturglin gets her wicked way in the next year or so, I may well be making a cross border break as well…..

As a matter of course anyone who is critical of lockdown and the subsequent measures is asked “are you an epidemiologist?”, even distinguished medical people in other specialities are shrugged off with the question. Of course the PM will turn to the experts rather than say Toby Young for guidence but it is not as if the experts can show a portfolio of their work or reviews on Trusted Trader. They are academics who have produced research papers and written books they have never guided Govt policy in the midst of a pandemic.

These experts signed off on, and still endorse, Prof Ferguson’s much derided model, they told us that lockdowns were for keeping a virus in or out or as a short term measure to harness resources and they changed from telling us masks did more harm than good to recommending they be mandated – without showing any evidence. They are clearly not infallible but they do have professional pride and they will never change their mind if it means admitting those know it all amateur epidemiologists were right.

To add to that it assumes a scientific consensus. There isn’t one. It is also very dangerous to put blind faith in models based on something we didn’t even know existed 8 months ago. The data is way too thin. Lastly as this is a statistically led pandemic and by and large the statistics are publicly available you don’t need to be an epidemiologist or doctor to analyse and challenge their implicit contradictions you just need a logical brain. I am actually a data analyst by trade so I think I’m more qualified than most doctors to analyse the stats, I’ll only defer to them for when I need treatment for it.

Exactly.

… and what has struck me in all this shit-show is how ignorant many self-proclaimed ‘scientists’ are in terms of the very basics of data analysis. You didn’t even need to get into more sophisticated inferential statistics to describe the data related to the April spike and see that it showed a far from ‘unprecedented’ event.