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162822 Fiat, replying to Fiat, 8, #1 of 1826 🔗


162858 ▶▶ annie, replying to Fiat, 13, #2 of 1826 🔗

Hey, who’s unliking these claims? Envy is a vice, you know!
I’ll always be very happy to be daily contributor no. 1000. Indeed, if a million were before me I’d rejoice! Dewch yn llu!

162869 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to annie, 4, #3 of 1826 🔗

Sore losers! Well done Fiat!

162925 ▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to annie, 5, #4 of 1826 🔗

Miserablists are having something of a resurgence worldwide and this place cannot escape. But unlike a virus they can be defeated, our best weapons are humour and laughter. Does anyone remember laughter? It’s been a long time.

162976 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Strange Days, 3, #5 of 1826 🔗

Laughter?? Yes I had forgotten about that! I remember when we did a lot of laughing and telling jokes to each other, those were the good old days! Now long gone.

163504 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cruella, replying to Bella Donna, #6 of 1826 🔗

Really? Why? Where’s your resilience!? If people living in total deprivation can find joy, purpose and laughter then why can’t you? Stop being so self indulgent.

163659 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cruella, 4, #7 of 1826 🔗

Well said Cruella!
What you focus on grows!

This made me laugh too, in the comments to Ross Clark’s article:

Does anyone remember hearing of or seeing Matt Hancock before this year? Did he just pop up, fully formed, out of nowhere, like a mushroom suddenly appearing in your lawn?

164449 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #8 of 1826 🔗

No, he was knitted in some demonic WI coven and released on the world to cry havoc.

163649 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Strange Days, 3, #9 of 1826 🔗

I laughed out loud a couple of times watching this latest from Vernon Coleman:


164598 ▶▶▶▶▶ Paul M, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #10 of 1826 🔗

Enjoyable and informative. Good humour and with a great message. Be great to see these lot in jail. Really hope it happens.

Shared with my wife.. it will spread.

162960 ▶▶ PWL, replying to Fiat, #11 of 1826 🔗

Well I am not surprised that this site is asking for faith in those painfully obvious lip service paying MPs.

This is for all of you who can get sold on the idea that writing to an MP is not a waste of time and energy:

The Rule Britannia! psyop, and The Times at its source

163680 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PWL, 1, #12 of 1826 🔗

It was clearly a smokescreen and should have been ignored. The MSM had a field day with it.

162823 Strange Days, replying to Strange Days, #13 of 1826 🔗

I never expected to be first!

164573 ▶▶ Jpeg, replying to Strange Days, #14 of 1826 🔗

That’s probably why you aren’t then 😉

162824 MWT, #15 of 1826 🔗

First among equals

162825 Winston Smith, replying to Winston Smith, #16 of 1826 🔗


162829 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Winston Smith, #17 of 1826 🔗


162828 Cecil B, replying to Cecil B, 41, #18 of 1826 🔗

I’m remined of the time a senior British Intelligence officer was asked about the prospect of peace negotiations in Northern Ireland

His reply was that he didn’t think either side had suffered enough to bring them to negotiations

So it is with this

The majority of the population have not yet suffered enough

It may take years for them to come to their senses

162853 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Cecil B, 19, #19 of 1826 🔗

It might be slow but it will all be our way.

Get this into the conversation.
Dr Nilay Shah (of Imperial, Toby’s text)
“There is not a question of things getting back to normal in March”.

So the endgame will not even be in sight a full year after ‘3 weeks of lockdown’.

162877 ▶▶ Banjones, replying to Cecil B, 65, #20 of 1826 🔗

Unfortunately, this virus and all its attendant ‘rules’ is probably the most exciting thing that’s happened to some people in their whole lives! That’s why they embrace muzzle-wearing and suchlike virtue-signally – not because they believe it’ll protect them but because they need to be seen as ”morally superior” and somehow important.
It’s very pathetic.

162886 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Banjones, 16, #21 of 1826 🔗

And anti-social media aids and abets this virtue signalling.

If they don’t post their inane ramblings or selfies of themselves in “fetching” and “cute” muzzles then who the feck would know how “good” and “caring” they are?

162953 ▶▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Bart Simpson, 13, #22 of 1826 🔗

Imagine all these virtue signalling bastards giving money to charity instead of a PPE company based in India. “Got any spare change?” On the streets from honest people who have nothing – IGNORE. Buy a useless bit of cloth or PPE – photograph that bang it on Twitter and you are a great Ape. Disgusting really.

164283 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Leemc23, 5, #23 of 1826 🔗

Exactly. It reminds me of what Jesus told his disciples that they should not like be the Pharisees who like to parade their devotion in public in an ostentatious way, they should do it in private.

The virtue signallers are like the Pharisees who show off their muzzles to show that they “care” for others when they’re better off as you said giving money to charity or simply being there for people they know suffering because of the lockdown.

163650 ▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Bart Simpson, 12, #24 of 1826 🔗

It might also provide a welcome sense of purpose.
We humans seem to need a “reason” for living.
The endless pursuit of ever greater material comfort is getting stale.
And traditional religions are passe.
New religions are filling the void: BLM, the covid cult, wokeness…

164278 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to stewart, 4, #25 of 1826 🔗

Good point about religion and the need to believe – when people stop believing in God they believe in anything.

162913 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Banjones, 9, #26 of 1826 🔗

I really like that point. It makes a lot of sense. The whole ‘in this together’ nonsense.

162923 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #27 of 1826 🔗

Which is a lie and yet people still believe in it!

163674 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #28 of 1826 🔗

Since when did actual truth matter?

Every religion is made up stuff that simply becomes relevant because enough people believe it.

All the corona rules are just like the gestures and rituals of religions. The masks, the 2 metres, the 6 people, the half capacity, the elbow shake, the one way systems.. it’s all stuff a bunch of technocrats have pulled out their arses,… just like…

The gesture of crossing oneself, the water on the baby’s forehead, the bread and the wine to cleanse us of our sins, the kneeling to pray, the crucifixes around the neck, the private conversation with god.

All stuff people made up, created by an elite group, engendered by a cadre of officials all to create some psychological effect and to elevate one group of people over another.

163703 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to stewart, 1, #29 of 1826 🔗

True religion is based on ancient Truths.

The problem is when they are hijacked to give an elite minority power over the populace and turned into cults.

Jesus taught “the Kingdom of God is within”. In other words, you don’t need priests. The Pharisees had him bumped off!

Later, Christianity was hijacked by the Romans to help control their empire’s population.

The Normans brought the Roman Church to Britain, and used it as a powerful political tool.

That’s just the example of one religion.

163755 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Cheezilla, -1, #30 of 1826 🔗

Jesus taught “the Kingdom of God is within”.

Did he? The story was written down and edited into a bible well after he was supposed to have been around.

Our current day population is being told to wear masks based on current scientific evidence. That piece of bullshit is 100% disprovable today and yet here we are…

I have to say I admire your confidence in the veracity of Jesus was supposed to have said some 2000 years ago.

163690 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #31 of 1826 🔗

You’ve got to admit, the Nudge Unit is brilliant!

162934 ▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Banjones, 6, #32 of 1826 🔗

The apocalypse never arrives, but that never deters those who take a gloomy relish in predicting it

163171 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Strange Days, 5, #33 of 1826 🔗

The apocalypse will arrive and it is coming in the guise of liability free genocidal vaccines. Those miserable liars Johnson and Hancock have been in bed with Bill Gates since day one of this fake pandemic. It is all about depopulation and getting even richer in the process . What mugs we are.

163207 ▶▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to Strange Days, 3, #34 of 1826 🔗


noun: Apocalypse; plural noun: apocalypses

1.the complete final destruction of the world, as described in the biblical book of Revelation.

2.an event involving destruction or damage on a catastrophic scale.
“the apocalypse of World War II”


Old English, via Old French and ecclesiastical Latin from Greek apokalupsis, from apokaluptein ‘uncover, reveal’, from apo- ‘un-’ + kaluptein ‘to cover’.

Oh….. I think the apocalypse more than arrived. The fact it has a plural suggests we have had many.

163710 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to TyLean, 2, #35 of 1826 🔗

The true meaning of apocalypse is an uncovering.
This is exactly what’s happening.
Just look at what is being revealed. This is a great awakening. How it pans out depends on how quickly the sheeple awake.
Sheep and goats time!

163715 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #36 of 1826 🔗

By the way, John’s Revelation describes the awakening of consciouness, the journey to enlightenment.

163130 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to Banjones, 12, #37 of 1826 🔗

Harry Vox (the guy who brought the Rockefeller “lockstep” document to the fore) said that for many it’s THE most exciting that’s ever happened to them! They’re revelling in the virtue-signalling mask-wearing, snitching, and the then seal-clapping – they’ve got something to join in with now, given carte-blanche to bully other members of the public they don’t even know (what happened protections from bullying, in the workplace etc?) and feel like part of a big “preety” mask-wearing club, able to revert back to schoolyard bullying tactics because the government have given them permission to attack and sideline people – not very woke or inclusive, is it?! Some of the door nazis I’ve encountered really are the worst of the worst, one in particular, stands gleefully completely blocking the one door IN to Primark, and has to do full inspection and cross-examine before allowing anyone to enter. Needless to say the shop looks pretty empty these days.

163212 ▶▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to HelenaHancart, 6, #38 of 1826 🔗

We are surrounded by them….Soul suckers..Psychic vampires..Hollow men and women..Empty vessels, waiting to be filled..Re incarnated farm animals, waiting for slaughter.A hive mind, zombified by aimless consumerist consumption hypnotised by ” The society of the spectacle”.Apologies to De Bord and TS Eliot.

164229 ▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to HelenaHancart, 3, #39 of 1826 🔗

There is going to be a great deal of bronchial sickness arising from the prolonged use of masks. Virtue signalling has its downside.

163183 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to Banjones, 4, #40 of 1826 🔗

It is their version of ” put that light out ” etc. a war footing.

164467 ▶▶▶ Monty Bodkin, replying to Banjones, 2, #41 of 1826 🔗

Yup, I’ve noticed this. Very few people are actually scared of the virus but they can pretend it’s a great civilisation-threatening monster, like the triffids, and can revel in the community all-in-it-together thing without actually having to suffer the privations of real war or plague. Some folk are actually enjoying this. It gives them a sense of relevance and importance. This is herd neurosis.

162887 ▶▶ mhcp, replying to Cecil B, 3, #42 of 1826 🔗

Yet it was a bomb in Canary Wharf with £1B in damage that got the wheels running in the background.

162915 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to mhcp, 3, #43 of 1826 🔗

I was there the following morning, the Policeman on the roadblock could not give me directions
” dunno mate, they called me in from Southend for this “.

163743 ▶▶ Censored Dog, replying to Cecil B, 5, #44 of 1826 🔗

November will be the month of awakening. People will lose their jobs en masse and the masses are going to discover how bad this whole thing as been

164289 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Censored Dog, 1, #45 of 1826 🔗

Not to mention their savings and pensions as well. They’ll wonder why the masks and social distancing hasn’t really protected them from the day of reckoning.

162834 Biker, replying to Biker, 107, #46 of 1826 🔗

What part of ‘i will never take their vaccine’ don’t they fucking get? Not just me but millions of people are not gonna line up for a vaccine rushed through by people who have treated us like this so far.

162849 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Biker, 38, #47 of 1826 🔗

Exactly. I don’t trust the government or any of the other parties with anything. Politicians would tell you the moon was actually just a giant dough ball in the sky if they thought they could make money out of the idea.

It’s quite incredible how far removed they are from reality. The vast majority don’t care about the people they represent. Blatant lies and barbaric policies are just ‘spun’ so they don’t look so horrific.

162860 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Old Normal, 11, #48 of 1826 🔗

… whereas Covid lies are spun at high speed to make them look as horrific as possible.

162857 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 2, #49 of 1826 🔗

Will the Police a good the vaccine for Security reasons?

162863 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to karenovirus, 10, #50 of 1826 🔗

i know its early in the morning but can you repeat that in english! 🙂

162873 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to mjr, 4, #51 of 1826 🔗

‘avoid the vacccine’?

162897 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to annie, 12, #52 of 1826 🔗

good spot……. this blogs auto complete / predictive texting is a pin in the artist

162921 ▶▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to annie, 3, #53 of 1826 🔗

You got it Ann, are you Annie ? She’s been AWOL and your style is similar 😉

162941 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to karenovirus, 2, #54 of 1826 🔗

Annie has has a name change for some reason, she is now know as Ann. I think she needs to edit her profile or something?

162952 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to karenovirus, 7, #55 of 1826 🔗

Ann no longer takes the nie!

Sorry, but too good pub to be resisted

163205 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to annie, 2, #56 of 1826 🔗

That has to be the mantra for those with their brains still working.

163198 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 15, #57 of 1826 🔗

There will be no good vaccines as none are required. Perhaps there will be just a saline solution for those regarded as vital for propping up the shedload of liars known as the UK government. The rest of us will get the liability free genocidal witches brew, funded by Bill Gates and the Bank of England printing presses. We allow ourselves to be vaccinated only at the gravest peril.

162868 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Biker, 31, #58 of 1826 🔗

Agreed. But the ground work is already being put in place for use to be completely shut out of society. The mask madness is the precursor. No mask no entry. No app no entry. No DNA altering super vaccine…no entry.
I can already see the health and safety bed wetters at my work rubbing their pointless little hands together with glee at the thought of implementing this!!

162878 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Mike, 41, #59 of 1826 🔗

Nah, that’s not gonna happen. How can they mandate you carry a phone and if you don’t you’re denied food from a Supermarket? How will the monitor this and who is gonna put up with that? How can any Doctor call themselves a doctor if they’re jabbing your arm against your will? This whole bollocks will be gone but not until this time next year. They said it at the beginning that it will last 18 months and then shut up about it. This was an attack by the dog eating chinkies on the planet because Trump was fucking with them and the rest of the planet were on their case for the environmental damage they are doing. There is going to be a world war soon and it will be between the chinks and the rest of the world. If they do try and vaccinate the people by force after the first couple of weeks so many people will be ill from it that no one will take it. Or if you are right then i look forward to being part of a resistance where we fight of these maniacs. It won’t be as easy as they think and it will be easier to stop them than they think. These people are dumb all over

162924 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 14, #60 of 1826 🔗

They can’t make it compulsory because human rights but they can make normal life impossible.
I’m stocking up big time on essentials, fags, booze, tins of food.

163598 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to karenovirus, 8, #61 of 1826 🔗

I wish you were right. But everyday people are forcibly held down and injected in psychiatric hospitals in this country…. for their own good. Those detained under the Mental Health Act 1983. Yes, there are laws governing it, but we have seen how easy it is to change the law.

163735 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jo, 1, #62 of 1826 🔗

It’s already been changed. It’s worse now!

163732 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to karenovirus, 7, #63 of 1826 🔗

If you refuse, they can section you, then jab you anway. That’s what all the fuss about the Covid Act should have been about.

163845 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #64 of 1826 🔗

Having practised in this area of law, it couldn’t really happen at the moment. Not to say it won’t change. They can only treat your mental disorder with medication, not any physical conditions, and there are quite good safeguards in the law. Personally I don’t think they will ever use the MHA as a means of vaccinating people – I think they will just issue a statutory instrument to Coronavirus Act, or the 1984 Act, on Public Health grounds. Or as others have said, make it nigh on impossible to exist without the certificate of vaccination

164252 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Jo, 4, #65 of 1826 🔗

There will be enough of us who refuse, who can trade and live amongst each other. We will be excluded from their new normal – good.

164020 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to karenovirus, 4, #66 of 1826 🔗

Yes, we are now on a war footing and should stock up as you suggest. The government has quietly declared war upon the public and it wants nearly all of us dead. The plethora of unlicensed and intentionally harmful vaccines will be their main weapons and are to be avoided, as if your life depended upon it, which of course it will.

163072 ▶▶▶▶ PaulH, replying to Biker, 28, #67 of 1826 🔗

For my money, the way they will work it is to gradually exclude people who decline their jab from everyday life, while pretending it is still “voluntary”.

International travel will be first to go. Ellwood trailed this in Parliament a couple of days ago. Sinister.

163717 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to PaulH, 3, #68 of 1826 🔗

We can but hope that the negative side effects of the vaccine show up before we can’t bear it anymore.
I already stated, that maybe this is Gates real, cunning plan: he knows that us enlightened sceptics are the intelligent ones here, which must survive and reproduce, wheras he wants to and will get rid of the stupid sheep that way without them even noticing.

163739 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Jay Berger, 3, #69 of 1826 🔗

Depends what they need the sheep to do. Robots can’t do everything.

Read Chomsky’s Manufacturing Consent .
He points out that those capable of critical thinking are ushered into ivory towers where they spend their time looking down narrowing funnels of distraction from what’s going on in the real world.

163934 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Jay Berger, 7, #70 of 1826 🔗

Or, a more chilling scenario: it’s going to be the opposite.

The servile and credulous will take this vaccine, and the vaccine will be something specifically designed to protect from the next plague that Bill has basically all-but-promised is just around the corner.

Then, all the sceptical and intelligent people who refused the vaccine will be without protection, being killed off to leave a nice, docile worker class who can be taxed and utilised without ever getting anywhere near freedom again.

I honestly have no hope any longer. No matter what the evidence, no matter how clear the statistics, the narrative pushes us to one conclusion only.

One vaccine to rule them all, One passport app to find them, One social credit system to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them “.

If you believe in Christ, keep praying for him to come back. That’s the only liberation I fear any of us will see.

164577 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Digital Nomad, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #71 of 1826 🔗
164024 ▶▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to PaulH, 2, #72 of 1826 🔗

That is exactly what will happen. It has to be resisted by all manner of means.

163728 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Biker, 7, #73 of 1826 🔗

Doctors won’t be jabbing you. They intent to recruit a whole army of unqualified jabbers.

163730 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #74 of 1826 🔗

Doctors are forbidden by their code of ethics to force treatment on you, which is why they changed the law to allow goons to do it

164742 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ nfw, replying to Julian, 1, #75 of 1826 🔗

What code of ethics? The GMC produces what it calls “guidance” which is changed according to the political needs. The Hollywood Hippocratic Oath myth is as real as Jedi knights. Guidance is just that, guidance and neither mandatory nor punishable.

164247 ▶▶▶▶ Lili, replying to Biker, 3, #76 of 1826 🔗

Count me in, Biker. I’m a mere scrap of a lass but by God I’m angry enough to take a cartload of these bastards down with me and I’m force of nature when I’m angry.

162888 ▶▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Mike, 10, #77 of 1826 🔗

The economy will cease to function and even the most avid of mask nazis on high salaries will not be able to buy the basics – because the basics will not be produced!

162930 ▶▶▶▶ Mike, replying to Londo Mollari, 8, #78 of 1826 🔗

I wish I could agree. But from what I’m seeing at work we have roughly 75% full compliance (full sheep mode), 20% just going along with it (because who’s it hurting) and may be 5% if I’m being generous who are sceptical. If the rest of the economy is anything like that then it’ll function pretty much as normal…if its ever able to get back on its feet.

162942 ▶▶▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Mike, 13, #79 of 1826 🔗

Hey Mike, I think it’s a big leap from being a mask zealot to injection of a un-tested vaccine … A significant portion of the 20% above (more like 50% where I am) I suspect will not queue for a vaccine. This is just based on my anecdotal evidence only, of course, but I’ve had a lot of difficult conversations with friends over the past 2 months, and thankfully the only thing we all seem to agree on his the dangerousness of the vaccine.

Now, if people are formally denied services, then that would be another matter (for them, I suspect).

163028 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ takeme, replying to HaylingDave, 9, #80 of 1826 🔗

Nobody will be formally denied services. It will be discretionary on the part of the service provider (shop, pub, GP surgery, bus, or whatever) to choose who they wish to do business with.
No proof-of-vaccine. No service. Simples.

164004 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Mike, 2, #81 of 1826 🔗

They’ll not be rubbing their hands with glee, once the intentionally harmful vaccine kicks in.

162918 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Biker, 42, #82 of 1826 🔗

In April, I was positive towards taking the vaccine and/as I had normal levels of trust in information, scirntists, politicians, civil servants, health authorities, drug development processes and regulators.
Since April, thanks to all of their refusal to engage constructively with any scientific dissent, that trust has evaporated completely and turned into 100% mistrust. Therefore:

162957 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Jay Berger, 11, #83 of 1826 🔗

That’s good. Maybe you’ll make the leap and become anti all government and distressing of state sponsored “science”. There is a divide between a tiny amount of people like me who want no government whatsoever and fascists like everyone else who supports or uses any form of government. This debacle surely is a wake up alarm to anyone whom thinks their life matters most and government doesn’t think so.

163404 ▶▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to Biker, 7, #84 of 1826 🔗

I know several “anarchists” who have completely embraced this bollocks. So disappointed in them.

162933 ▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Biker, 22, #85 of 1826 🔗

The “government” is probing re: vaccine uptake; getting MPs and news “reporters” to leak their ideas re: mandatory enforcement … only to gauge the public’s reaction.

I haven’t seen any YouGov polls on the topic yet, but I’m sure they’re on the way.

I suspect the “flu shot for all over 50s” will be the next move – see what the uptake for this is.

Not a fucking chance in hell myself nor my children are taking a Covid-19 vaccine (my wife’s her own person and can make up her own mind).

Lets see them try denying me services, whether essential or not.

Bring it on you bastards!

163079 ▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to HaylingDave, 7, #86 of 1826 🔗

I’ve seen reports that people getting the flu vaccine at the moment are getting sick and testing positive for Covid.

163095 ▶▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Sceptic Hank, 11, #87 of 1826 🔗

I’d be interested to read through any links – I’m Zooming with some NAmerica cousins this weekend who are all in favour of masks, vaccines, etc all.

I saw a very depressing message on a family WhatApp group yesterday from my 75 year old aunt in Calgary: “I was sooooo happy today. I went shopping and everyone was wearing a mask. Everyone. Not a face in sight!”

I didn’t have the heart to point out the insidiousness of that statement – she’s gone.

163115 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to HaylingDave, 9, #88 of 1826 🔗

I read it on a FB post by Leath Butler-Smith, the activist: “A young friends family member, who recovered from cancer treatments last year, has been isolating for a long period out of fear. He got his flu jab and is now very poorly. Tested positive for covid.
He’s not been exposed to another person and wore a mask to get his flu jab.
So how?
How is he now sick and labelled as covid when he’s not been near any other humans to contract this?
The answer is rather obvious as the numbers of people becoming unwell after their flu jab are rising.

163749 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Sceptic Hank, 1, #89 of 1826 🔗

Flu jab – coronavirus. PCR test picked up coronavirus. QED.

163746 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to HaylingDave, #90 of 1826 🔗

That’s seriously depressing!

163722 ▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Sceptic Hank, 3, #91 of 1826 🔗

Same as in Bergamo then.

163402 ▶▶▶ Cheshire Andy, replying to HaylingDave, 8, #92 of 1826 🔗

No-one should be taking Flu shots as there is a high risk that it will increase susceptibility to SARS-COV2 infection and the severity of COVID-19 symptoms, https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/09/08/will-the-flu-shot-help-with-coronavirus.aspx

164066 ▶▶▶▶ JamesDrebin, replying to Cheshire Andy, 3, #93 of 1826 🔗

And yet my employer, a palliative care charity no less, are blitzing even the non-care staff with emotionally manipulative messaging trying to get all of us to take a free flu jab this year. I’m in my 30s and can only ask, “why?!”

Because apparently NOW MORE THAN EVER™ it is absolutely vital to protect yourself and loved ones. Nothing to do with them unwittingly passing on the mandated vaccine-conditioning agenda, of course. Not at all. Nope.

I’m dreading having to refuse but as it’s clear manipulation and I don’t normally have it, they can get bent.

162935 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Biker, 6, #94 of 1826 🔗

Then you not be allowed outside your house
you not be allowed to work
you not be allowed to claim benefits
you will be offered a choice starve or comply
Unless we rebel

162955 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to 6097 Smith W, 6, #95 of 1826 🔗


163008 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to 6097 Smith W, 9, #96 of 1826 🔗

i’d rather die than claim benefits. People who claim benefits are leeches. They won’t be able to stop me leaving my house nor earn a living. They have only the power you give them and i don’t give them the steam from my piss.

163013 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Biker, 3, #97 of 1826 🔗


163052 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Biker, 12, #98 of 1826 🔗

And just remember that the makers of this jab will be given legal immunity against any injury claims. That should ring a few alarm bells for starters.

163141 ▶▶▶ HelenaHancart, replying to PaulH, 4, #99 of 1826 🔗

And unlicensed! But those bending over to take the jab wouldn’t know this, or even bother to find out!

163418 ▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to PaulH, 5, #100 of 1826 🔗

That’s all vaccines.

163118 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Biker, 7, #101 of 1826 🔗

I had this discussion with my wife last night. Tickets went on sale yesterday for a festival next August. We’ve attended previously. I pointed out that we’d probably need vaccination passports to go. She didn’t have a problem with that, but I most certainly do. She thinks I’m cutting off my nose to spite my face.

163145 ▶▶▶ PaulH, replying to leggy, 8, #102 of 1826 🔗

Once you are locked into these they will soon become an electronic prison. Multiple jabs will be mandated, 24/7 surveillance…then cashless society and CCP style social credit system.

And of course they will be easy money for crony capitalists. You can’t go wrong with a state mandated product!

163132 ▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Biker, 5, #103 of 1826 🔗

The following is from:


Note 2009. Does anyone know the present position? The WHO has recently stated that sending a child to school signals agreement for the child to be vaccinated.

“Thus the UK appears to be on the verge of ‘1984’ style legislation and guidelines in which freedoms are taken away from citizens framed in terms of rights granted. And this has happened without political or public debate, scrutiny or democratic vote.

The newly published draft minutes for the JCVI in February disclose that the new status granted it by Health Minister Dawn Primarolo by executive order in January seem designed to tie up with unmentioned provisions in the new National Health Service Constitution.

According to the JCVI minutes the new NHS constitution states:

‘You have the right to receive the vaccinations that the Joint Committee on Vaccinations and Immunisation recommend that you should receive under an NHS provided national immunisation programme.’

And :

‘You should participate in important public health programmes such as vaccination.’

The minutes state:

‘The JCVI was pleased the recommendations of the committee would have the force of law behind it. The committee asked for clarification on the constitution including what exactly ‘right’ meant with respect to the right of a child to receive a vaccine when their parents were opposed to vaccination and how the constitution affected the recommendations of the JCVI with respect to legal challenge.’

Irrespective of any claimed benefits of a vaccine programme the constitutional implications of this change are concerning.”

164495 ▶▶ Nic, replying to Biker, 4, #104 of 1826 🔗

A government in England has threatend it’s people , Boris threatens us with a national lockdown knowing the misery it would inflict.Not to flatten the curve or save the nhs , but a threat I couldent believe it when I heard it , johnson is mad a nut case .he must be removed immediately.

162835 Nic, replying to Nic, 24, #105 of 1826 🔗

Trump has tested positive for corona I wish him well.
If he is ok and has few symptoms it will be great for our cause.
If he is not they will use it as a stick to beat us with he may be American but how this turns out is very important for us.

162840 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Nic, 11, #106 of 1826 🔗

Probably given to him by one of child sniffing Joe Bidens handlers. This has been the plan all along. Wait until a few weeks before the election, bump him off and replace him with another company man so they can get back to business as usual. You know the kind of protectionist capitalism that allows the disgusting Chinese to enslave their people, fuck the environment any way they want with their shit goods and to sell them in our communities so none of us can produce and sell to out own people.

162856 ▶▶▶ Nic, replying to Biker, 2, #107 of 1826 🔗

Very true

162898 ▶▶▶ Mark H, replying to Biker, 5, #108 of 1826 🔗

Which lab ran the test? That’s the key.

163442 ▶▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to Mark H, 4, #109 of 1826 🔗

My thoughts exactly. It’s convenient after he embarrassed Joe in the debate.

162927 ▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Biker, 3, #110 of 1826 🔗

Of course, it could also be that he was so incoherent during the debate that they needed an excuse to get him off the air for a while. And if you’re right about “bumping him off”, Mike Pence would be his replacement. A company man for sure, but also a god-fearing type who can’t be alone with a woman unless “Mother” (his wife) is present. So also insane, just like Trump. But the Old Testament Christians in the States would love it. Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

And all that stuff about the Chinese enslaving their people, etc., etc., has been going on for what, three decades now, maybe longer. The US corporates sold out their labour forces way back when. US “consumers” got cheap goods from Walmart in exchange. I struggled for years to “buy American-made” (when I was living there) until the last American manufacturing vanished. The Chinese were so impressed with the game that they became merchants to the world. You can blame it all on Richard Nixon – he visited China in 1972, setting up a whole new relationship between China and the West.

The Trump virus thing is also another distraction from the real issue which is why the hell are we all still locked up when the virus hospitalisations and deaths have faded away.

162971 ▶▶▶▶ Biker, replying to ConstantBees, 6, #111 of 1826 🔗

Trump wasn’t incoherent at all during the debate. I blame the EU for allowing the chinks to sell their cheap plastic shit in our communities but overall i blame government for facilitating protectionist capitalism instead of the laissez-faire capitalism. Nothing changes till we get rid of government.

163777 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Biker, 4, #112 of 1826 🔗

When I was little, the cheap plastic shit came from Hong Kong.
Next it came from Taiwan.
Now it comes from China.
Plus ca change!

163017 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to ConstantBees, 4, #113 of 1826 🔗

It’s not at all that Pence “can’t” be alone with a woman. It’s that he won’t because he knows that a great many of them are untrustworthy snakes who would stitch him up in a heartbeat for a political scalp.

162844 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Nic, 53, #114 of 1826 🔗

it does seem that both he and his wife are asymptomatic. In which case such a prominent example of a 74 year old man having this “fatal” disease and not actually being ill will do wonders for convincing the great unwashed that covid is not a big issue.

162910 ▶▶▶ Hampshire Sceptic, replying to mjr, 12, #115 of 1826 🔗

Probably false positives.

163026 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Hampshire Sceptic, 7, #116 of 1826 🔗

I seriously doubt it’s a false positive…. I would expect the due diligence done before announcing something of such gravity would bring a far higher level of certainty than the average test.

The sheer gravity of the announcement, it’s impact on markets etc… they’d have to have a quorum tests from multiple sources and methodologies.

Surely? Right?

That said, I pray for him and wish him well.

If Trump is taken out of the presidential race, the impact on America and the world will be mind-blowing. The smugness of the left will be completely intolerable, and the right could easily take up arms.

163623 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to AidanR, 4, #117 of 1826 🔗

Unless… it’s a ploy, precisely to have the effect that mjr mentions.

Few things will propel the sceptic cause more that the 70+ year old, overweight US president being an asymptomatic positive corona case.

163080 ▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Hampshire Sceptic, 3, #118 of 1826 🔗

False positives are for the plebs. The NFL now has numerous instances of FPs later being negative after further testing.

163272 ▶▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Hampshire Sceptic, 1, #119 of 1826 🔗

But still mjr does have a good point, whether false or not.

162931 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to mjr, 1, #120 of 1826 🔗

Well said, mjr! Let’s hope.

164213 ▶▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to mjr, 1, #121 of 1826 🔗

Prince Charles had it. He was fine too. Probably a lot fitter than Boris, mind!

162846 ▶▶ Will, replying to Nic, 17, #122 of 1826 🔗

A quick course of hydroxychloroquine, at the correct dose, and he’ll be right as rain.

162855 ▶▶▶ Nic, replying to Will, 4, #123 of 1826 🔗

Think your right they use it in france and there desth rate is very low despite all the pos cases

162922 ▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to Will, 4, #124 of 1826 🔗

Hydroxychloroquine is a prophylactic, not a treatment and I believe that Trump has been taking it, so I hope it heps.

162928 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Recusant, 3, #125 of 1826 🔗

He’s been saying all along that he has.

162965 ▶▶▶▶ Ajb, replying to Recusant, 7, #126 of 1826 🔗

As well as using HCQ for prophylaxis the Zelenko protocol – HCQ plus zinc plus azithromycin Seems to have successful in treating Covid if administered within the first few days. It was a gentleman called Anthony Fauci who first wrote about the successful use of HCQ for SARS Cov 1 a decade or so ago. After that, he seems to have become a vaccine convert.

163798 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ajb, 1, #127 of 1826 🔗

He’s in Uncle Bill’s pocket!

162993 ▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to Recusant, 1, #128 of 1826 🔗

Yes, I heard he was taking it, so the “positive” test seems even more likely to be false.

163055 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Recusant, 6, #129 of 1826 🔗

Its actually a treatment when given with Azq + zinc in the early stages.
It is only effective when given early as found by Dr Zelensky in March, Raoult in April etc, search for Zelensky protocol.
This early effectiveness with zinc is why the NHS test were on hospitslised patients and without zinc.

163484 ▶▶▶▶▶ DomW, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #130 of 1826 🔗

..and at levels considered to be a overdose, to maximize the likelihood of known, dangerous side effects.

163799 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to DomW, 1, #131 of 1826 🔗

It was manslaughter.

163134 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Recusant, 10, #132 of 1826 🔗

You need to get up to speed on HCQ.
It most certainly is a treatment.
Has strong anti-viral activity. Best used with companion Zinc and / or Azithromycin (if there is any hint of bacterial pneumonia).
HCQ is most effective for mild to moderate viral infection, when the virus is confined to the upper respiratory tract.

Is also used widely as a prophylactic in India.

If it had been available for use in the UK, it would have saved thousands of lives.

Literally hundreds of papers out there and more every week.

163188 ▶▶▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #133 of 1826 🔗

I’ve been plugging HCQ treatment since May. Its effectiveness needs to be brought to the attention of the whole population together with the dastardly action of our western ‘governments’ preventing its use for Covid.

In the UK, those responsible for denying its use presumably include Whitty and all 32 of the 34 sage advisors who, I understand, have connections with the Wilful and Malicious Gates Foundation.

163802 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PastImperfect, #134 of 1826 🔗

Not enough profit in HCQ …..

162847 ▶▶ Julian S, replying to Nic, 8, #135 of 1826 🔗

A pivotal moment. I sense the BBC were pleased to be able to tell us about this.

162865 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Julian S, 5, #136 of 1826 🔗

2 weeks time
BBC R4 Today Programme
Presidential Trump is returning to normal duties and campaigning, 🤔 despite Covid ☹

162880 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Nic, 5, #137 of 1826 🔗

He will take the zinc hydrocholoquine and vitamin d.
Be back in the Oval Office monday

163046 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Nic, -5, #138 of 1826 🔗

Since he’s over 70 and obese I don’t have high hopes.

163069 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mattghg, 7, #139 of 1826 🔗

Even then he stands a good chance, as is the case with the most deadly virus ever seen

163812 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 6, #140 of 1826 🔗

Poeple in their 90s have had covid and recovered.

163116 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to mattghg, 7, #141 of 1826 🔗

If it is a routine test, he will be extremely unlikely to experience any symptoms at all, because he is extremely unlikely to have an active infection.
If he was tested because of being Covid-specific symptomatic, then he will already be taking the HCQ, which will clear viral infection in a few days.
Dem dirty business immediately comes to mind as a possibility.

The next debate will have to called ‘Battle of the Basements’.

What he should do is get in front of the camera or webcam every day and tell everybody how well he is, and literally carry on as if nothing is happening on the medical front (which it probably isn’t).

163085 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nic, 1, #142 of 1826 🔗

How’s he going to do a second term suffering from Looooonnnnngggg Covid?

163768 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Nic, 2, #143 of 1826 🔗

Does he have symptoms or has he been tracked&traced?
Better still, is it a ruse so he can bounce back and prove the lurgy isn’t a threat to elderly fatties?

162836 Girl down Under, 2, #144 of 1826 🔗

Just saw on the news that Mr Trump has tested positive with Covid.

163044 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to alw, 1, #146 of 1826 🔗

It won’t succeed. It will gum up the works for a while, and that’s all we can really hope for.

162839 Julian S, replying to Julian S, 12, #147 of 1826 🔗

Dirty doings in Parliament. Dodgy law that must not be scrutinised lest its dodginess become apparent and its validity questioned. A demonstration, if ever one were needed, that democracy is a sham and the law is a facade. What on earth are we simple folk to make of it all?

162864 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Julian S, 10, #148 of 1826 🔗

Democracy is a word for people who don’t want control over their own lives. There can be no Government without tyranny. People don’t want to hear it but unless there is no government and every man lives from his own endeavours we will for ever live under the tyranny of pathetic men like Hancock. Any support for government and it’s functions makes you a jack boot wearing facist. I know people won’t be able to accept this but that’s because they are stupid and cowardly and worst of all they’ll be virtuous and say but we need to help people. So i care nothing for any of their laws and fake morals and don’t cooperate in any way. Obviously this requires cunning and knowing what battles to fight and when to blend in after all the democratic people will kick your door in with armed thugs and drag you away to a prison.

162866 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 2, #149 of 1826 🔗

That wanker is such a hancock and so is ellwood.

163049 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Biker, 1, #150 of 1826 🔗

Statists. Statists everywhere. Compliant, gullible sheep.

I’m coming around to the idea that as a society, we deserve everything that is happening to us right now.

It’s unfortunate that the few true resistors are affected by the societal and political malaise, but c’est la vie.

162841 Julian S, #151 of 1826 🔗

This was a reply to a message that no longer exists. I am able to edit but not delete.

162842 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 27, #152 of 1826 🔗


I think that this has been posted here already. The laboratory found 82 bacterial infections and 4 molds on a face mask that had been worn for 8 hours.

The discussion then talks about the lack of risk assessments in place for mask wearing. I know this only too well as I was in correspondence for weeks with the Dept. Of Transport and my MP, without a satisfactory answer.

The government have a let-out clause in their list of mask exemptions however.
“To avoid harm or injury, either to yourself or others”

That, to me, is a perfect reason not to wear a mask. I don’t want to risk pleurisy, meningitis, streptococcus etc.

Like I’ve said on here before, none of us need to wear a mask.

162852 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Margaret, 10, #153 of 1826 🔗

It’s precisely why I won’t wear one. I watched a video on Utube in a laboratory where they tested masks that had been worn for different amounts of time, it’s like wearing a petri dish! Harmful to our health and goodness knows how many chest infections will be caused this winter.

162937 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to Bella Donna, 3, #154 of 1826 🔗

I read somewhere just recently that the number of respiratory infections for September were WAY higher than normal.

162949 ▶▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Banjones, 2, #155 of 1826 🔗

Do you have a link for this?

162987 ▶▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #156 of 1826 🔗

I searched on the Web and came up with this.
I’m not sure if it is the original article I saw.


162980 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Banjones, 1, #157 of 1826 🔗

I read that too but cannot recall where. I visit a lot of websites every day.

162854 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Margaret, 20, #158 of 1826 🔗

Yes, it’s such an obvious catch-all universal get-out clause I do wonder if it was inserted deliberately so as to make muzzle-wearing effectively personal choice.

Trouble is, all those maskoids are spreading those infections by touching their filthy rags then touching door handles, hand rails, key-pads …

PS. And they feel so wise and virtuous doing it. Makes me feel sick.

162871 ▶▶▶ Suze Burtenshaw, replying to TJN, 14, #159 of 1826 🔗

In our local Co-op the other day, one of the assistants did a massive sneeze into his mask, immediately fiddled with the front of the mask ie pulled it away from his face then repositioned it then calmly carried on restocking the shelf. Nice, I thought.

162884 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 9, #160 of 1826 🔗

why not email Coop and complain………
Any shit stirring that gets these people to consider how stupid it all is cannot do any harm
And you will feel much better for doing it

162945 ▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Suze Burtenshaw, 1, #161 of 1826 🔗

That is truly disgusting!

162874 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TJN, 8, #162 of 1826 🔗

I sort of realized that was the reason for the easy get out clause, they even publicized it so much Toby linked to where we could buy “exempt” lanyard/cards before it even came into effect. I gave mine away to my infirm neighbour who was being bullied at our GP practice.

Amazon ‘exempt’ lanyard are now just £1.40 so I’ve ordered 5 to give to the deserving.

162940 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to karenovirus, 1, #163 of 1826 🔗

That’s a good idea!

162907 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to TJN, 2, #164 of 1826 🔗

I read the DT this morning , it would seem the government trolls are out in force berating those who haven’t downloaded the app.

162943 ▶▶▶ Banjones, replying to TJN, 5, #165 of 1826 🔗

If these muzzles were so effective in stopping the spread, then there’d be ‘hazardous waste’ bins all over the place, with people in hazmat suits emptying them frequently. When can we expect to see THAT happening?

162968 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TJN, 3, #166 of 1826 🔗

The harm or distress exemption IS the government’s get out clause. They can say, “Ahhhh well we do have exemptions” so they aren’t compulsory. A teflon legal raincoat.

163098 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to TJN, 6, #167 of 1826 🔗

As witnessed in restaurant last night. People sitting eating finger food burgers ribs etc and then donning mask to go to the toilet, taking it off and putting it in pocket. Made me feel Tom n dick.

How the fuck am I going to catch an infectious virus when I’m doing a poo but won’t catch it when I’m sitting at my table. (Btw I don’t do a poo in pubs or restaurants but you get my drift)

I despair, as already posted my pal is all for them and the science in his opinion backs it up when in fact he is a virtuous signalling twat who I think wouldn’t hesitate in grassing anybody up for not following the rules. A couple of months ago he was all hugs and kisses last night it was elbow bumps as it’s the right thing to do.

163164 ▶▶▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to stefarm, 4, #168 of 1826 🔗

That made me laugh, not doing a poo in restaurants!. I want to know if dwarfs are exempt from this stupid rigmarole in pubs, seeing as the virus only seems to get people when they stand up to their full height but not whilst sitting. This is not me making fun of people with short stature, but taking the piss out of the never ending inane rulings this shower of a government has come up with.

163990 ▶▶▶▶▶ Ewan Duffy, replying to Mrs issedoff, 2, #169 of 1826 🔗

There was a suggestion that the reason children don’t get the virus is due to their lack of height. There needs to be an urgent study of dwarfs to determine if they are less susceptible to it.

163482 ▶▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to stefarm, 5, #170 of 1826 🔗

Actually, wearing a mask in a toilet is especially disgusting, because when it flushes, there will be particles (including shit and piss) sprayed into the air that land on the mask…. for these dipshits to breath in repeatedly.

162893 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Margaret, 9, #171 of 1826 🔗

That’s what I’ve been telling colleagues if they do come up to me to complain how they’re feeling uncomfortable having to be muzzled up for 7 hours. One of them made a “ewwww” face when I told her about the German test which yielded 80 bacteria and 4 fungi in a mask that had been worn for 8 hours

Give it another few weeks, I won’t be surprised if colleagues develop impetigo, chest infections, colds, pleurisy and call in sick,

162900 ▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #172 of 1826 🔗

I saw a patient yesterday who had impetigo across their nose, just where the mask was. Although they denied going out much and wearing a mask.

162901 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to p02099003, 5, #173 of 1826 🔗

That would have definitely been due to mask wearing. Early this week I saw that one of my colleague’s face was in a rather nasty shade of green where the mask was.

163025 ▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bart Simpson, 5, #174 of 1826 🔗


163146 ▶▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Bart Simpson, 6, #175 of 1826 🔗

Fauci is already on to it and has demanded that the international community raise $100B to address the issue of mask-related facial discolouration (MRFD).
He commented; ‘Faces will not revert to the old normal colour, until we have a vaccine.’

163027 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to p02099003, 2, #176 of 1826 🔗

impetigo, that’s really infectious….Excellent

164096 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Two-Six, 1, #177 of 1826 🔗

It can be unpleasant – had a very small patch of this years ago, even in a place that would be clothed the GP did recommend self isolation, not long, only a few days max. but yes, it can be nasty & in some cases very easily infectious!

163144 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to p02099003, 2, #178 of 1826 🔗

my correspondence with Aldi (see blogs passim) about staff being forced to wear a mask on the shop floor was due to one of the chaps there having a rash across his lower face that he said was due to mask wearing

163030 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #179 of 1826 🔗

Fingers crossed!

162938 ▶▶ Judy Watson, replying to Margaret, 4, #180 of 1826 🔗

Oh how I agree with this comment. What is NOT publicised is the fact that any mask allows the corona virus to pass through it. Bear in mind that as far as I am aware there isn’t any sort of international standard for the production of masks.

162958 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Margaret, 4, #181 of 1826 🔗

The number one counter to this argument of bacterial, fungal growth, and the concentration of expelled viral particles in a dirty face mask is this:

That isn’t a problem if the mask is worm “properly” and changed regularly.

I hear this a lot.

It’s bollocks but that’s what the normies say.

163110 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to Two-Six, 5, #182 of 1826 🔗

Problem is the mask brigade only wear them for a few minutes each time so they do not see the negatives or danger, although I suppose taking them off and on again regularly and stuffing them in pockets and wearing the same one over and over is not healthy.

I often wonder if they caught sight of themselves in a mirror they would see what a twat they look as well but then again covid trumps all critical thinking.

163157 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Two-Six, 8, #183 of 1826 🔗

Jenny Harries pointed this out to Boris, ages ago, stating that they should not be worn outside a sterile environment.
How many people

  • wash them after each use or use a new disposable mask after each use
  • touch them with their hands
  • sanitise hands before and after touching them
  • put them down on dirty surfaces
  • dispose of them as you would a dirty tissue?
163167 ▶▶▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Margaret, 3, #184 of 1826 🔗

No one is the answer. I have worn one twice for 5 mins and each time I simply yanked at it and pulled it away from my face.

163258 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Margaret, 3, #185 of 1826 🔗

Not seen Harries recently – has she been sidelined? Paid off?

163525 ▶▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Carrie, 1, #186 of 1826 🔗

I’ve been wondering about that too.

162876 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Bella Donna, 1, #188 of 1826 🔗

Matt is almost worth buying the Telegraph again, nah I’ll wait for the Xmas collection.

162881 ▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to karenovirus, 2, #189 of 1826 🔗

Matt’s the main reason I subscribe.

162845 Mark, replying to Mark, 44, #190 of 1826 🔗

One of the most depressing things about the events of this year is the way the sheer scale of the vicious nastiness that has been triggered contrasts with the relative triviality of the cause. If the world had faced a genuinely serious disease – something like the fantasy if the coronapanic zealots of a disease as infectious as the flu and as deadly as ebola, then perhaps the brutality of the coronapanic fanatics could be understood and excused.

But we are left to contemplate the fear-driven, authoritarian mobs bullying people into mask-wearing and vaccine-taking while coldly sacrificing lives and jobs to their crusade, for such a small thing, in global terms.

Another take on the basic banality of evil.

162883 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Mark, 21, #191 of 1826 🔗

To be fair I’ve not come across authoritarian mobs bullying people into mask wearing, just bovine looking sadsters wondering why I’m not wearing one.

There was considerable discussion yesterday about whether we were self isolating rather than face the maskoids. I’m still out and about as much as in the olden days with no problems.
Except today as I can’t work so I’m going to hit the bottle, I try to avoid posting at such times since it only leads to embarrassment. Have a good day everyone 🥳

163142 ▶▶▶ Kath Andrews, replying to karenovirus, 2, #192 of 1826 🔗

Have one for me and have a good day! 👍

163152 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to karenovirus, 1, #193 of 1826 🔗


163488 ▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to karenovirus, #194 of 1826 🔗

Have you not visited Twitter?

164672 ▶▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to TyLean, #195 of 1826 🔗

No, I’m not on Twitter, if I access links from here it only shows the first few comments

163763 ▶▶ zubin, replying to Mark, #196 of 1826 🔗

CD see it as a new cult like religion as secular virtue such as post enlightenment thinking which lead to communism and fascism. A vast need for virtue, some purpose, commonality and – however repressive -leadership.

162848 Biker, replying to Biker, 38, #197 of 1826 🔗

Boris thinks he’s Churchill saving the British people from the Virus but it’s the Virus that will never surrender. Boris has surrendered to the dark shawdowy people who have the photos of the barely legal girls, the cocaine and whatever else it is

162890 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Biker, 6, #198 of 1826 🔗

He launch a crusade against the weather next, oops second thoughts that’s already been done.

163106 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Biker, 1, #199 of 1826 🔗

But he looks like Hitler in ‘Downfall.’

163156 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to Biker, 2, #200 of 1826 🔗
163219 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to PaulH, 2, #201 of 1826 🔗

Yep, the photos are out there..

162850 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 32, #202 of 1826 🔗

Apparently the reason Corbyn tripped over the rule of six is because he asked Diane Abbott to do the seating plan.

162889 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Lucan Grey, 20, #203 of 1826 🔗

Mail comment

“Ms Abbot explained that the party of eight was actually two groups of five each”

163176 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to karenovirus, 1, #204 of 1826 🔗


162936 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #205 of 1826 🔗

love it! thanks for making me laugh on a rainy day!! 🙂

162851 Nic, replying to Nic, 10, #206 of 1826 🔗

Have just read on the bbc news site that a leaked document has told doctors in the west midlands to prepare for corona vaccination as early as early November.
Hancock must know this the question is who would risk it. not me , il back my own immune system thank u very much.
Might explain why Hancock is so bullish about keeping restrictions he will claim he saved us all with the vaccine!@

162894 ▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Nic, 6, #207 of 1826 🔗

There will be plenty of maskoids queuing up up to get vaccinated if it lets them off lockdown rules, idiots.

162902 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Nic, 13, #208 of 1826 🔗

Hancock and Johnson should be first in the queue along with their families, then all parliament and civil service and their families, the HoL and their families, the NHS workers and their families, the BBC and Sky and their families, the Royals, Megan and her consort, BEFORE I would even consider it.

162929 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Bella Donna, 8, #209 of 1826 🔗

They will all get placebos, on TV.
The only way to make sure that they get the real one is to administer the shots in filmed groups of say 50 people, where the syringes are allocated randomly and the celebrity’s one is swapped again randomly just before injecting him/her.

163101 ▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Bella Donna, 2, #210 of 1826 🔗

Reminds when the little girl of the MP did not want to eat the burger offered by her daddy during BSE.

163178 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Silke David, #211 of 1826 🔗

John Selwyn Gummer… do you know how many people swore to never vote for the Tories again that year? About 80% of the ones who voted for them last year would be my guess.

162962 ▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to Nic, 8, #212 of 1826 🔗

You know what – if it’s your choice, then I’m all in favour of “you” queuing and getting a Covid-19 vaccination … go for it!

And I genuinely would not want anyone taking the vaccine to suffer any harmful side-effects – I hope it works for them! Why wouldn’t I?

But FFS, respect my right to not take the vaccine. That’s all!

And don’t you flippin dare try to say to me: “Well, taking the Covid-19 vaccine isn’t about protecting you, it’s about protecting those around you.” I WILL go postal.

163100 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to HaylingDave, 1, #213 of 1826 🔗

Informed consent. Repeat this at all turns.

162978 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Nic, 3, #214 of 1826 🔗

This kind of leaked information, is exactly what the nudge twats need to gauge their next move.

163149 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #215 of 1826 🔗

Is it not likely to have been leaked by the nudge twats ?

163250 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Nic, #216 of 1826 🔗

Placebo or else it’s an old document. They had hoped back in april there would be one available.

162859 mjr, replying to mjr, 15, #217 of 1826 🔗

Noted that someone has been killed attempting world land speed record at Yorkshire venue
Clearly any death is shocking and so the venue must be closed and attempting land speed records must be made illegal .
Well, that is HandJob’s covid philosophy.

In the same article it mentions that “ On Sunday, Jason Liversidge, who has motor neurone disease, set a world speed record in his custom-made electric wheelchair .”
Good for him …. That is the approach to risk that we all accept and want to see.

163182 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to mjr, #218 of 1826 🔗

It’s a hell of a way to go, chapeau to him.

162861 Lucan Grey, replying to Lucan Grey, 25, #219 of 1826 🔗

A vaccine is often seen as the holy grail that will end the pandemic. “

I’m amazed there isn’t more discussion of the problems with the “rescue cavalry”. The flu vaccine is widely available and difficult to produce and it doesn’t stop the flu spreading. Nor does it reduce hospitalisations or people dying from the flu much, if at all.

And if people believe catching the virus doesn’t produce “antibodies” or protect for very long how is a vaccine supposed to work any better?

Some articles explaining the limitations of the flu vaccine are in order. They’re not a magic bullet.

162905 ▶▶ Sally, replying to Lucan Grey, 6, #220 of 1826 🔗

I recommend that anyone interested in the efficacy of the vaccines currently being trialled read this article:

Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designed To Succeed

163109 ▶▶▶ Bartleby, replying to Sally, 8, #221 of 1826 🔗

Would definitely agree people should read that article, but just in case you don’t I’ll summarise a little of it here:

Forbes looks at the published vaccine trial protocols from Moderna, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, and Johnson & Johnson.

  • None of the vaccines will have prevention of infection as a success criterion.
  • 3 of the 4 vaccines do not require that they prevent serious illness to be successful, only that they reduce moderate symptoms.
  • The author argues that what most people would expect of any vaccine is that it prevents infection, hospitalisation and death. None of the vaccines will be judged by their ability to do that and the drug companies are setting a very low bar when it comes to being able to say their vaccine is a success.

Given that the likes of Hancock, Johnson, Whitty, Vallance as well as a whole host of others are, in their words and actions, creating a barrier to any sort of normality before a vaccine rides to the rescue, I’m hoping that people start to ask questions about what exactly it is that the vaccine will do.

163350 ▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Bartleby, 1, #222 of 1826 🔗

Thanks that’s a useful summary

162967 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Lucan Grey, 3, #223 of 1826 🔗

The flu vaccine does not stop a person getting the flu, it is meant to mitigate against severe symptoms or death. The formulation for 65+ is different due to the changes in the immune system as we age.

163082 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Lucan Grey, 1, #224 of 1826 🔗

I suspect people will be told to get out every year SMH

163108 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Lucan Grey, 2, #225 of 1826 🔗

They do studies each year to analyse the effectiveness of the flu vaccines. I’ve seen some quoted in recent years that it’s been as low as 10% as its pretty much guesswork as they try and track the mutations.

Also, because there appears to have been a mild flu season in the southern hemisphere, they’ve supposedly struggled to prepare an adequate one this year.

All just skim reading stuff.

162862 Mike, replying to Mike, 3, #227 of 1826 🔗

For any people still unsure about the ‘vaccine’ then this podcast would be a good start to listen to, about 20-30mins in. It terrifies me that so many people I know would be lining up to get this, just with some vague assuarance that ‘its safe and effective’ and will protect them from a virus they are unlikely to even know they’ve had. Sheep.


162939 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Mike, 2, #228 of 1826 🔗

There are good explanations about the pitfalls of those vaccines, and in particular the Oxford one, by Clemrns Arvay at RPP online and Prof. Hockertz at Punkt.Preradovic in German.
No one who listens to that would touch those vaccines with a
Vaccinating anyone with them against their will is a crime.
Vaccinating anyone healthy below the age of 75 carries a negative risk reward balance for that person and would as such also be reckless and stupid.

162867 mhcp, replying to mhcp, 12, #229 of 1826 🔗

On JHB (Talk Radio) she is discussing the Trump news with Jonathan Gerlis who is a mask advocate. And they are trying to say that “see, Trump wasn’t wearing a mask and this happens” as if this is now proof to all the anti-mask wearers. Gerlis even said that.

The mind fucking boggles. Clearly after all this time and the many many months that Trump never wore a mask and didn’t get sick are all ignored.

To their credit they did say that it could a false positive.

But that guy Gerlis is just an idiot.

162872 ▶▶ Mike, replying to mhcp, 6, #230 of 1826 🔗

There is a good chance Trump is using this to stay off the radar for a couple of weeks…then pop up closer to the election. Keeps him physically out of the line of fire for a while. Also, he can praise hydroxychloroquine for keeping him safe.

162999 ▶▶▶ Biker, replying to Mike, #231 of 1826 🔗

why the fuck would trump want to stay off the radar? What kind of lefty troll are you pal? I’m reading your posts and you come over as a snake. I can see what you’re doing. Fuck off back to the Icke videos his intellect is much more suitable for a mind as banal as yours

162891 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to mhcp, 5, #232 of 1826 🔗

Complete fools. Trump will have to have loads of meetings in secure locations (not outside) and it would I am sure be impossible to keep them under 15 minutes, after which personal risk increases. He isn’t one for hiding behind a computer, to which I applaud. Cloth muzzles are an irrelevance.

162896 ▶▶ TJN, replying to mhcp, 18, #233 of 1826 🔗

The thrust of Radio 4 Today 8 o’clock news and the subsequent interviews is that Trump has got cv because they don’t wear muzzles in the Whitehouse.

The BBC news needs to be defunded.

163032 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to mhcp, 1, #234 of 1826 🔗

More superstitious nonsense.

The suggestion would be that only non mask wearers catch the virus or they’re tempting fate by not wearing one.

People that do wear masks don’t deserve to catch it.

Well as William Munny (Clint Eastwoods character in Unforgiven) would put it:

“Deserve’s got nothing to do with it”

163041 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to mhcp, 1, #235 of 1826 🔗

JHB has always been anti-Trump – she doesn’t even try to be neutral..

163119 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to mhcp, 1, #236 of 1826 🔗

Christ. They had to get that in didn’t they.

Roll out any of the NHS staff who’ve tested positive which has resulted in 500 of their close contacts being off work at a time of high demand. I bet they wear masks. Da fuk is wrong with people.

162875 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 3, #237 of 1826 🔗

Reading the government’s patronising twattle in reply (at 10,000 signatures) of the petition
shows what we’re up against with this bunch.

162882 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Banjones, 11, #238 of 1826 🔗

The problem is all those other vaccinations it mentions went through years of testing before being rolled out to the population. A rushed COVID vaccination that is only being tested in fit and healthy people, and not even to anyone in the most vulnerable age group, does not even compare to those other vaccinations.

162947 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to JohnB, 6, #239 of 1826 🔗

My frail 81 year old mother in law would die of fear of a mandatory vaccination before actually getting it and then very likely dying of it.
Many people have strong allergic reactions to vaccines.
Mandatory vaccinations for such people are not just a crime and negligent homicide, but murder.

162899 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to Banjones, 10, #240 of 1826 🔗

I went to the link in order to sign . . . but I have already signed! I’ve lost count of the petitions I’ve signed recently.

162879 mjr, replying to mjr, 10, #241 of 1826 🔗

So hypocritical scottish MP ignores isolation guidelines and catches 2 trains and visits parliament.

So how is track and trace dealing with this?.
Has everyone on both trains been contacted and told to isolate (capacity of around 500 on a west coast Pendolino – 50 per carriage but she might have gone to the buffet).
And given the hanging around at Euston and Glasgow Central maybe they should be contacting everyone who was also waiting for another train.
More importantly, are MPs and House of Commons employees also being contacted and being told to isolate. ?
And will she be prosecuted?

162909 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to mjr, 6, #242 of 1826 🔗

This is my MP so I’m watching with interest (and ill concealed glee). Sturgeon is fizzing so I reckon MF is for the chop. I’m hoping I get the chance to vote for a new MP soon.

163159 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to GiftWrappedKittyCat, 2, #243 of 1826 🔗

your next MP ?

163532 ▶▶▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to mjr, 1, #244 of 1826 🔗

LOL. Probably.

162950 ▶▶ Sue, replying to mjr, 5, #245 of 1826 🔗

And did she have the ooooh so wonderful NHS T&T app downloaded and bluetooth enabled?? Should be a good test to see if it’s actually any use.
In my opinion she was bit bloody stupid to travel when she was feeling unwell and having had a test but not the results.

163037 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Sue, 2, #246 of 1826 🔗

If she had not downloaded the app, questions should be asked as to why. If plebs are expected to do so then why should MPs not have to?

163835 ▶▶▶▶ kf99, replying to Carrie, #247 of 1826 🔗

Separate apps North and South of the border. I assume they’re not compatible? Thanks to the wonders of devolution.

Sturgeon sacked her because she’s one of the pro-Salmond awkward squad.

162997 ▶▶ Alan P, replying to mjr, 3, #248 of 1826 🔗

Did she wear a mask on the train?

162892 James Bertram, replying to James Bertram, 3, #249 of 1826 🔗

No end to Covid19 until a vaccine – this seems to be the mantra of the globalists:

‘…It is the vaccine that OPEC has pointed to in a meeting on Thursday as the lynchpin to stabilizing the oil market and swiften “the pace of economic recovery.”
‘.HE Barkindo [OPEC secretary General] added that today’s meeting focuses on addressing “uncertainties and factoring in the changing dynamics of the time, as the world grapples with that invisible opponent, COVID-19, and its knock-on effects. We will especially emphasize market developments and prospects.”
“We remain cautiously optimistic about the oil market’s recuperation, even as the world continues to battle COVID-19 resurgences and clusters,” he said, adding, “large uncertainties and risks will continue to destabilize the oil market and affect the pace of economic recovery” until an effective vaccine is found…’

163099 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to James Bertram, 3, #250 of 1826 🔗

Don’t they know that the oil and gas industry is non-viable in the new green utopia planned for after the great reset?

163161 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #251 of 1826 🔗

One suspects the new green utopia is very much just for us, not for the ‘elite’.

163214 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, #252 of 1826 🔗

Tedros has tweeted that the UK’s NHS has now committed to carbon zero….

163239 ▶▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Carrie, 5, #253 of 1826 🔗

Should be achievable if they reduce patients treated to zero.

162895 Mark H, replying to Mark H, 3, #254 of 1826 🔗

After the disastrous presidential debate, is anyone surprise that Trump has had a positive PCR test result back from the lab, effectively putting him off the campaign trail, and, I’d assume, cancelling future debates?

162916 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Mark H, 2, #255 of 1826 🔗

In my view, the presidential debates are irrelevant. After the first one the other day, Trump’s odds moved out slightly (they had already been drifting out before that) but the US markets moved only slightly. The key debate is the vice presidential one, between Kamala Harris and Mike Pence. Most Americans know that the reality is vote Biden, almost certainly get Harris, or vote Trump with a possibility of getting Pence.

162903 Mr Jim McGregor, replying to Mr Jim McGregor, -4, #256 of 1826 🔗

I have to admit that, as a total Lockdown Sceptic, the fact that Trump has caught it makes me pause for thought. It can be a virulent bugger and, if you’re old, unfit and overweight (like Trump) then it must be a cause for real worry. How will it progress? It seems to me Boris hasn’t recovered yet from his tussle with it. While I’m a big supporter of just about everything I read on here, it is sobering sometimes to consider what we’re up against.

162908 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Mr Jim McGregor, 3, #257 of 1826 🔗

Anyone know if he is actually sick, or just a positive test?

162914 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to zacaway, 6, #258 of 1826 🔗

Looks like its a positive test only so far.

162917 ▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to zacaway, 1, #259 of 1826 🔗

I just read the BBC report on this, it seems that Hope Hicks, his aide who is 32 has symptoms and has tested positive. As Mr and Mrs Trump spend a lot of time with HH, they took tests and are now also both positive. No news on whether they are actually experiencing symptoms, although the BBC report talks about them being in 14 days quarantine “recovering”.

163029 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to DressageRider, 1, #260 of 1826 🔗

Trump is on HCQ, will he actually develop symptoms?

163036 ▶▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Carrie, 1, #261 of 1826 🔗

Exactly. I expect Trump and his wife to be fine.

163076 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Chicot, #262 of 1826 🔗

There is also the possibility that his result was a false positive, or that someone who wants him out of the race and unable to do all the planned rallies, switched his test result with someone else’s…

163039 ▶▶▶▶▶ peter charles, replying to Carrie, 3, #263 of 1826 🔗

It would be great if he brushes off the infection and carries on campaigning. It will be terrible if he becomes very sick. But I suspect many, led by the MSM, will reverse those observations.

162912 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Mr Jim McGregor, 7, #264 of 1826 🔗

With Boris I suspect he has recovered from Covid but its likely that he’s having mental health issues as well (i.e. depression). Many blogs have alluded to his financial problems due to his divorces, having to pay child support and over all penury. If that’s on his mind then perhaps that’s the reason why he’s not really in control 100% and has been making questionable decisions.

Much like Eden and his chronic health problems which impaired his judgement in the run up to the Suez crisis.

163322 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #265 of 1826 🔗

Boris’s problem is that he has suddenly found life is not as easy or fun as it was. A tragedy that comes to us all sooner or later with the results we see.

163415 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Bart Simpson, #266 of 1826 🔗

My money is that he didn’t have it in the first place and it was in fact alcoholism.

There’s no way that if he was that ill and in intensive care on a ventilator that he would be doing press ups just a couple of weeks later. You would be resting for weeks after an experience like that.

162919 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Mr Jim McGregor, 3, #267 of 1826 🔗

The correct response to the Trump news is to pray for him, it’s a bugger of a sickness for a fat 70 something man. We shouldn’t pretend that Covid is nothing, we should just be sceptical that lockdowns help. I suspect that the President of the USA is the most protected, locked down person in the whole world, but the virus doesn’t give a shit about lockdown so what are you going to do?

162944 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Mr Jim McGregor, 4, #268 of 1826 🔗

don’t worry he has a cupboard full of HCQ

162970 ▶▶ nottingham69, replying to Mr Jim McGregor, 4, #269 of 1826 🔗

You are making assumptions about Trump’s health that don’t really stack up. Age with pre-existing conditions is where this virus is virulent, not just old age. Trump is slightly overweight but not unfit, he is very active, without pre-existing illness. Johnson was a similar weight to Trump 17st but a much smaller man, he was obese and admits it fully.

163324 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to nottingham69, 1, #270 of 1826 🔗

Trump doesn’t smoke or drink (never has).

163427 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to nottingham69, 2, #271 of 1826 🔗

Trump doesn’t believe in exercise, so don’t know how fit he can be if he doesn’t do anything.

162972 ▶▶ JohnMac, replying to Mr Jim McGregor, 19, #272 of 1826 🔗

No-one has ever denied that the virus exists, or that it cannot make people ill, or in some cases kill them.

The point is, So what? Viruses do that. You don’t destroy your country every time one comes round. And this one is obviously no worse than many others that we have lived through.

What we’re up against is our government, and the same goes for most countries across the world.

162989 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Mr Jim McGregor, 3, #273 of 1826 🔗

Lyndon B Johnson had the Hong Kong flu in 1968, but continued. Frank Borman, Apollo 8 astronaut contracted it from LBJ and became unwell when 250000 miles from Earth. In the USA they have the 25th amendment which passes temporary executive responsibility from the president to the Vice President in the event of the president being incapacitated.

163053 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Mr Jim McGregor, 9, #274 of 1826 🔗
  1. Viruses are in infectious.
  2. Viruses can make you ill.
  3. Because of our great immune systems the vast majority of the time you will be fine.

Why would I be worried for Trump testing positive for Coronavirus when you or I wouldn’t even have given him a second thought if we’d learned he had the flu? Guess which one is killing more people right now?

163148 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Mr Jim McGregor, 4, #275 of 1826 🔗

LOL – Trump will come bouncing out of this full of energy and orangeness making the bedwetters look like bedwetters and Biden looking weak

Also Trump will be a great advert for HCQ….

163329 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Major Panic, #276 of 1826 🔗

Hope so, I’ve got quite a bit of money on him.

163363 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Mr Jim McGregor, 2, #277 of 1826 🔗

Covid 19 is a common cold coronavirus.

All common cold viruses are lethal to the elderly, infirm, immunocompromised and obese, more so than influenza.

Mr Johnson was clinically obese.

‘Unexpectedly Higher Morbidity and Mortality of Hospitalized Elderly Patients Associated with Rhinovirus Compared with Influenza Virus Respiratory Tract Infection’

We have a leader who has just gone through a messy divorce, re-married, has a young child, moved house, fought an election and is supposed to be running the country.

Madness….the men in white coats should have a word….only one needed….resign…

It would not just be in the country’s best interests, but in the best interests of his own physical and mental health, and that of his old and new family.

162904 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 17, #278 of 1826 🔗

“we lockdown sceptics must keep pressing our argument that none of these measures are warranted or proportionate”

No. We must sue, take to the streets in droves, fight vigorously and resist ANY form of mandatory vaccination and ANY form of discrimation because of a refusal to get vaccinated, ASAP, from the start and including physical resistance.

163354 ▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Jay Berger, #279 of 1826 🔗

Simon Dolan will probably take this up.

162906 karenovirus, replying to karenovirus, #280 of 1826 🔗

Any crime lawyers or desk Sergeants here ?

A perfectly sensible young lady tells me that her sister’s stupid boyfriend recently got done for drink driving (no collateral damage).
His lawyer has told him (her words so probably garbled in transmission )

“When you go to court bring an overnight bag because you are seven year convict because of Covid”*

Meaningless I know but is there anything to suggest that ‘ordinary’ crime is Aggravated because doing it in the time of Covid?

Any info would be appreciated but I won’t be replying until late tomorrow morning because I’m on the sauce for the rest of the day.

* checked for typos.

163012 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to karenovirus, 1, #281 of 1826 🔗

Year ban normally.no special measures for Covid that I know of

163058 ▶▶ Mark, replying to karenovirus, 2, #282 of 1826 🔗

Sounds like he needs a new lawyer.

163096 ▶▶ Thumb, replying to karenovirus, 5, #283 of 1826 🔗

I have checked this with a very credible source within the legal establishment. I sent your text and asked if it was true. Here is the response:

“Of course it is not true.

Certain crimes are classed as having aggravating features such as attacks on emergency workers where the defendant spits or coughs over them and claims to have Covid.

Fewer people are going to prison at the moment following the ruling in R v Manning.”

The response was accompanied by the sentencing guidelines which I won’t reproduce here. However, to summarise, for the most serious cases where the individual was drunk (there is no upper limit to the amount of alcohol in breath, blood or urine) the maximum penalty is an unlimited fine and up to six month in prison plus a driving ban of between 29 and 36 months (for a first offence).

For lower amounts of alcohol (and there is a sliding scale, so I’m only giving the upper band here), that is <119 microgrammes (breath), <275 ml (blood), <366ml (urine) the maximum penalty is a community order plus disqualification for up to 28 months. Lower alcohol levels result in lesser penalties.

So, if that’s what his lawyer actually said, as someone else has said, he needs to find a new one.

Hope that’s helpful.

164676 ▶▶▶ karenovirus, replying to Thumb, #284 of 1826 🔗

Very helpful, thank you for taking the trouble

163522 ▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to karenovirus, 1, #285 of 1826 🔗

From my experience, it is the opposite. Crimes not being logged as crimes because the police think the courts won’t process them. This includes threats to rape and chop up a colleague.

162911 Recusant, replying to Recusant, 21, #286 of 1826 🔗

Funnily enough I bumped into my dentist yesterday on a train and he was scathing about NHS dentistry. He said that hospitals weren’t accepting children who needed general anaesthetic for difficult treatments, so abscesses were being left untreated in small children, who are being left in distress. He said that if he had left a child untreated 6 months ago he would have rightly been up in front of the General Dental Council within 24 hours and now it’s fine.

He also claimed that at the start of the pandemic, the NHS told dentists that they would honour the contracts and that dentists should try and do at least 20% of treatments. Worse, because my dentist has about 10% of his patients on NHS, the NHS stopped him from seeing any patients at all for ages. Now NHS dentists take 20% as the standard working day while private dentists are busier than ever. He says one cheeky bastard NHS dentist sends his patients round the corner to the private dentist to avoid work. NHS dentistry has completely crashed, and Whitty is deluded if he thinks it is open for business.

162961 ▶▶ JohnMac, replying to Recusant, 19, #287 of 1826 🔗

So abscesses were being left untreated in small children, who are being left in distress.

This, like many other things, is evil. And on Wednesday our MPs voted for all of this to continue. No. All of this has to stop. All of it.

162988 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Recusant, 10, #288 of 1826 🔗

The UK surely has the most incompetent government worldwide that dealt with Corona.
And its biggest idiocy and crime was to turn all branches of the health service into Covid only, and then keeping it stuck like this 9 months in, without any idea going forward too.
Dentists took a 2-4 week break in Germany, since then, it’s completely back to normal for them, no full PPE idiocy either.
Not a single chemotherapy or cancer screen was missed.
Tne main problem was and is the reluctance of truly sick (cardio) bedwetters to go and see their doctor.
Mortality is lower, mainly because fewer routine operations are undertaken, leading to less hospital deaths through their complications, like sepsis and bacterial infections.
Only the non-private mental health wards are all full for months in
advance, solely thanks to the stupid, unnecessary and harmful lockdowns.

163051 ▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Jay Berger, 5, #289 of 1826 🔗

I cannot speak for other countries about their political class but ours is certainly the absolute pits. I believe it comes from having one of the oldest parliaments, corruption is endemic. I don’t know what the answer is but the system is rotten to the core but evidently better than tyranny, oh hold on a minute that is precisely what we now have. 🙄

163180 ▶▶▶ JulieR, replying to Jay Berger, 5, #290 of 1826 🔗

Majority of dentists in Russia didn’t close at all. For about 4 weeks they only did emergency treatment not just pulling out teeths like here but proper treatments.
They were back to normal without extra PPE since May.
Where is humanity gone?
Why don’t NHS dentists lobby the government to open normally? If private dentists are working then why not NHS?

163024 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to Recusant, 5, #291 of 1826 🔗

Perhaps the NHS and Government should bear in mind their own slogan “Do no harm” because that is precisely what they are doing. Deliberately harming us by withholding medical treatment and enforcing mask wearing, in addition to the mental torture of these restrictive Covid regs.

163086 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Bella Donna, 4, #292 of 1826 🔗

It also comes from having an NHS.
Other countries with Social Insurance Healthcare do not have these problems, the people have a choice.
The Stalinist structure of the NHS is why they are so aghast at people being allowed to choose, bypass the GP etc.

163596 ▶▶ GiftWrappedKittyCat, replying to Recusant, 3, #293 of 1826 🔗

I’d agree that the days of NHS dentistry are numbered. I had a check up last week and I need a filling replaced but my dentist said they aren’t currently providing the treatment on the NHS. I asked how long he thought it would be before NHS treatment was available again and he couldn’t say. “It’s in the hands of the Scottish Government and Scottish Dental Association” he said. He also said that 8 weeks ago he was telling patients treatment would be available in 8 weeks. I opted to pay for the treatment privately but I know not everyone is fortunate enough to be able to do so.
Reading between the lines of the conversation with my dentist, I think that NHS dentistry will become victim to cost cutting with only the most basic treatment available going forward.

162920 Nic, replying to Nic, 19, #294 of 1826 🔗

Government policy is virus suppression until there is a vaccine.
The question that must BE ASKED .and no one has is.
What happens if there isn’t a vaccine for a year? 2 years 6 years never.
How long will the government keep the restrictions going forever!
Please please someone ask , be it an Mp , a journalist Maybe Toby.
But it must be asked and answered Asp.

162951 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Nic, 10, #295 of 1826 🔗

Yesterday Pfizer reported side effects from its phase III trail, as did Moderna the day before. So far, side effects look similar to those reported by the Oxford vaccine phase I/II in July, but of course, that was before there were two pauses for apparent transverse myelitis (one supposedly undiagnosed MS). Dr Scott Gottlieb, former head of the FDA, and a non-exec board member of Pfizer, has said that next autumn at the earliest for a vaccine. I read that as likely never!

162956 ▶▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 18, #296 of 1826 🔗

Side effects don’t matter and the vaccine doesn’t need to work they just want the ID cards and social credit system that will be introduced with it

163007 ▶▶▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to 6097 Smith W, 2, #297 of 1826 🔗

👍 . Correct. That’s the real reason.

163015 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to 6097 Smith W, 5, #298 of 1826 🔗

Exactly – that is the real agenda.
Maybe why Sweden is being left alone by the WHO for the time being..

163359 ▶▶▶▶▶ Sceptic Hank, replying to Carrie, -1, #299 of 1826 🔗

Yes I was wondering about that too. Sweden currently leads the world in electronic chipping of their citizens. Moonshot – where have I heard that before?

“The microchips were pioneered by former body piercer Jowan Österlund, who calls the technology a “moonshot” — and who told Fortune magazine that he’s been hit up by hopeful investors “on every continent except Antarctica.” “Tech will move into the body,” the Biohax International founder told the mag. “I am sure of that.” From July 2019.


162963 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Nic, 3, #300 of 1826 🔗

What if Covid20, 21, 22ff come up and are even more deadly and infectious?
(Only) Tegnell asked and answered those questions.

162969 ▶▶▶ Nic, replying to Jay Berger, 8, #301 of 1826 🔗

Theyv got Tegnell , web got Hancock, god help us

163018 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jay Berger, #302 of 1826 🔗

When was that?

162979 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Nic, 21, #303 of 1826 🔗

I believe the virus will fizzle out long before a vaccine is available.

The question is then ‘at what point does the government accept its over?’

It was over in June as far as I am concerned. This second wave is a nothingburger. Still less covid deaths than flu. But I expect this second ripple to fizzle out as it gets the 10 or 20% that the first wave missed due to lockdown etc.

If the government would give us a number then we can plan. Is 1 death really too many? Why not pursue a zero-suicide policy instead? Or a zero-treatable cancer policy?

163001 ▶▶▶ Nic, replying to steve_w, 5, #304 of 1826 🔗

Agree its fizzled out in london probably cos they have some sort of herd immunity trouble is lockdowns stop the people up north getting it

163021 ▶▶▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Nic, 6, #305 of 1826 🔗

In the south west it has not happened yet, and given the numbers of visitors over the summer it seems unlikely that it will.

Putting my neck on the block here but sunshine and pale skins equals better levels of vitamin D and hence good immune systems?

163163 ▶▶▶▶▶ Miss Owl, replying to Strange Days, 1, #306 of 1826 🔗

Also: higher humidity, I read somewhere.

163023 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nic, 2, #307 of 1826 🔗

Yes, I think like Stockholm, lots of Londoners going on ski trips in February half-term may have ‘upped’ the cases. Lockdown after that prevented herd immunity becoming as widespread in other parts of the country.

163271 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to steve_w, 3, #308 of 1826 🔗

If we tested using the same methodology as in March and April, it would certainly be over now.

162992 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Nic, 2, #309 of 1826 🔗

I’d be more concerned if a “silver bullet” vaccine does turn up in 6 months, in record time, possibly with a few short-cuts taken on the safety testing.

Plus, let’s not forget, they are already contemplating using an unlicensed vaccine on all of us:

163014 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nic, 2, #310 of 1826 🔗

Bill G says things will not be ‘normal’ till 2022, which *just happens to* fit with the date given in the EU documents for the rolling out of vaccine passports…

163038 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Nic, 2, #311 of 1826 🔗

Until the public become so pissed off, tired and confused, they will just let you do anything to get their lives back, including letting you off the hook for the biggest fuck up of all time.

163090 ▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to PoshPanic, #312 of 1826 🔗

That seems to be a neat summary of the current Government ‘strategy’.

163305 ▶▶ Ed Turnbull, replying to Nic, #313 of 1826 🔗

Oh, there will be a vaccine don’t doubt it. If we’re lucky it’ll be no more than distilled water pretending to be a vaccine: the sheep will take it an be reassured and the clown government will claim ‘victory’ over the virus. On the other hand it may be a real vaccine – Gates’ genetically modifying poison perhaps – improperly tested, and carrying Heavens know what avoidable risks. That road leads to Hell.

My old Ma always used to say “the road to Hell is paved with good intentions”, to which I’d add: and the signposts on that road are erected by those who take such ‘good intentions’ on good faith.

162926 6097 Smith W, replying to 6097 Smith W, 34, #314 of 1826 🔗

As if things weren’t bad enough i now have to support the Lib Dems and say they have got something right

162998 ▶▶ Bella Donna, replying to 6097 Smith W, 2, #315 of 1826 🔗

Lol I thought that too. Life is very strange at the moment.

163009 ▶▶ peter charles, replying to 6097 Smith W, 5, #316 of 1826 🔗

and Caroline Lucas too!

163259 ▶▶▶ David Grimbleby, replying to peter charles, 2, #317 of 1826 🔗

About time !

163031 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to 6097 Smith W, 1, #318 of 1826 🔗

I think this might have had more to do with Brexit. I mean you’re 5-0 down at 85 minutes. You still keep trying for a goal.

162932 Bart Simpson, replying to Bart Simpson, 9, #319 of 1826 🔗

Mike Graham’s interview with Neil Oliver last Wednesday is worth a listen to:


He’s very right here. We’re in for a harsh winter for literally and figuratively, those who are still asleep will be in for a very nasty surprise.

163006 ▶▶ peter charles, replying to Bart Simpson, 4, #320 of 1826 🔗

The interviews with Neil Oliver are becoming my favourite (along with Peter Hitchens of course). Check out Allison Pearson’s latest Planet Normal podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/planet-normal/id1514949294 interview with Ivor Cummings and ( I am a bit of a softy here) the reading out of an email which should soften the heart of the most hardened lockdown zealot.

163063 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to peter charles, 3, #321 of 1826 🔗

Sadly I assume it will mean he will be persona non grata on the BBC from now on (as we know how tolerant they are of different opinions) so I don’t expect any more of his archaeology programmes on there.

163184 ▶▶▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Achilles, 2, #322 of 1826 🔗

Hopefully the rolling repeats will keep him in some income and his writing as well.

164345 ▶▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Achilles, #323 of 1826 🔗

He’s been forced to resign as president of National Trust Scotland as he’s been resisting the encroaching wokness that’s happening.

163083 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to peter charles, #324 of 1826 🔗

Ivor interview is at 27.50 minutes.

163181 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to Bart Simpson, 2, #325 of 1826 🔗

I loved this! Thanks for posting.

163435 ▶▶ Suburbian, replying to Bart Simpson, 3, #326 of 1826 🔗

I’ve always like Neil Oliver, but the last 2 weeks he’s just become really sexy 🙂

164343 ▶▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Suburbian, 1, #327 of 1826 🔗

He’s been a voice of sanity and reason throughout this madness.

162946 James Bertram, replying to James Bertram, 1, #328 of 1826 🔗

There is an explanation from Sir John Redwood today about the Brady Amendment which Sir John co-sponsored:

162954 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to James Bertram, 2, #329 of 1826 🔗

Unfortunately the speaker did the same as Bercow and backed the establishment against the people just by rigidly sticking to rules rather than breaking them

162973 ▶▶▶ Recusant, replying to 6097 Smith W, 3, #330 of 1826 🔗

I think the Speaker did the right thing, it’s not his job to oppose the government, it’s the Opposition’s job.

163010 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to 6097 Smith W, 2, #331 of 1826 🔗

Politico’s video on this is enlightening – he analyses the Speaker’s rejection of the amendment and the conclusion is that allowing it would have given ‘fuel’ to Simon Dolan’s case (all the illegalities in it, amongst other things, would have been aired and written in Hansard) – hence why he disallowed it.

162983 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to James Bertram, 3, #332 of 1826 🔗

He’s correct that most of the restrictions on people’s liberty stem from (misused) emergency powers the 1984 Public Health (Control of Disease) Act. Voting down the Coronavirus Act wouldn’t have change that, though it would have sent a strong message to the Government.

163033 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to zacaway, 3, #333 of 1826 🔗

That was the point made by Sir Desmond in the TalkRadio interview last night. The 1984 Act needs to be amended/abolished.

162959 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 9, #334 of 1826 🔗

Even Bill Gates expects 0.1% of the population to die BECAUSE of the complications through the vaccination.
And that figure of 60.000 dead Britons thanks solrly to it is the normal one for a for a thoroughly safety tested, traditional one.
So, roughly 1.5 times the number of British Covid deaths and 2 times the number of avoidable British cancer deaths, but this time, previously perfectly healthy people!
And likely without any discernible efficacy or benefit of that vaccine for those for whom it might make sense, and no necessity for it at all for over 80% of people.
If one wanted to invent a pathogen and disease totslly unsuited for a vaccine (also as per the estsblished 4 criteria for that) one would have come up with SARS Cov2 and Covid19!

163016 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Jay Berger, #335 of 1826 🔗

Do you have a link to where he said this? I’ve seen it repeated a few times now, but not sure I’ve seen or read the actual comment.

163084 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to PoshPanic, 1, #336 of 1826 🔗

It’s been in a few of his interviews in recent months.

You ahem to search youtube and so on to get the right ones and find the moment he says it.

163158 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Awkward Git, #337 of 1826 🔗

Thanks AG, I’ve got this one..1 in 10,000, or 700,000 people affected, is his ( pretty dangerous ) guess!


162964 Judy Watson, replying to Judy Watson, 16, #338 of 1826 🔗

An update from Phuket.
Well, here we are in the rainy season in lockdown Thailand supposedly wearing these stupid face covering. No need to wear one if you are exercising, should be worn in shops but that has more or less gone by the board now. Same as hand-gel and writing down your phone number with the pen provided!!! I don’t know of anyone who put down their real phone number.

Anti-social distancing!!!!!!! Ha, ha, ha that’s a laugh – my friend went on a long coach journey and was sat next to someone – the bus was full.

When the bars here were closed we would meet up at someones house for a few drinks, often there would be 5 or 6 of us(not many ex-pats left).

Next week I am off to a barbie at my friends restaurant – they are expecting around 25 people and it is a very small restaurant with standing room.

I can go into a shop and try on clothes, no one-way systems in the supermarkets.

Hearing about the chaos reigning in the UK I am glad I am here.

It is also great to go in a bar, sit down, have a chat with other people maybe a foot away from you and have have a fag with my drink.

163003 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Judy Watson, #339 of 1826 🔗

But basically the same worldwide, with a couple of exceptions

163154 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Judy Watson, 6, #340 of 1826 🔗

A little update from Sweden – I’ve just seen that the stats website where I’ve been following hospitalisations is now updating 3 times a week instead of only two. Today’s update has not been published yet, but I can report that between Monday and Wednesday the numbers in hospital here dropped 🙂
Will be interesting to see whether or not there is a further drop later today..

163317 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Judy Watson, #341 of 1826 🔗

It seems the Thais are following the virus rules as religiously as their highway code.

162966 peter charles, replying to peter charles, 11, #342 of 1826 🔗

“Matt Hancock confirmed this week on Twitter that the Government’s strategy is indefinite suppression until a vaccine arrives.”

..and the trick here, is that they will argue all the restrictions are responsible for the “suppression”. This is a very scary government.

162975 ▶▶ Will, replying to peter charles, 17, #343 of 1826 🔗

They can claim whatever they want, people know wearing a mask when you stand up in the pub is complete bollocks.

162982 ▶▶ Biker, replying to peter charles, 28, #344 of 1826 🔗

Fuck the government. Just go do what you want when you want and if they try and stop you say nothing, pay nothing, refuse everything thing they say. They will have to carry me because i won’t walk with them, talk, acknowledge them in any way at all. They are disgusting human beings who are traitors to humanity and any dealings with them will be met with complete silence and refusal.

162991 ▶▶ alw, replying to peter charles, 6, #345 of 1826 🔗

Yardley Yeadon

Replying to @hughes_eilir
and @HelenMcArdle3
Good for you! Of course, it’s illegal under international law to mandate that a person accepts a medical intervention to which they do not consent. It’s origins are as an “anti-Mengele las” after the Nazi doctor. Individuals are also prohibited from being coerced into procedures”

163128 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to peter charles, 1, #346 of 1826 🔗

Not scary, abusive. Their days are numbered.

162974 Thumb, replying to Thumb, 2, #347 of 1826 🔗

Here’s a genuine question:

Last night I received a document detailing the arrangements for getting a covid test in my local area. Over a page and a half it repeated several times the stern injunction that only those with symptoms should book a test.

Now, we keep being told that 80% (or whatever it is) of positive cases are asymptomatic. If only symptomatic people are eligible for a test, where does this figure come from? Are asymptomatic people being given tests? If so, why? Or is the figure an estimate based on something else entirely?

I’d genuinely like to know the basis for this, so answers on a postcard please.

162981 ▶▶ Will, replying to Thumb, 3, #348 of 1826 🔗

If they didn’t incentivise the layabouts to get tested with the offer of free money if they test positive the test and trace system would already have done it’s job and demonstrated that the virus is all but gone.

163005 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Thumb, #349 of 1826 🔗

Government paying people to be tested – those on low incomes or who have lost jobs will obviously be incentivised. Lots of money if you and all your family sign up…

163022 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Carrie, 1, #350 of 1826 🔗

Also testing of anyone and anything in lockdown areas

163065 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #351 of 1826 🔗

Yes, door knocking too. Army supposedly to start ‘helping’ with this..

163105 ▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Thumb, #352 of 1826 🔗

Among other sources, the Office for National Statistics has been doing its own programme of testing and followup on a random sample of the population. They have their own test capacity (“Pillar 4”). From last week’s report (update due out later today)

In the latest six-week period there were 248,030 swab tests, and a total of 282 positive tests


An estimated 103,600 people (95% credible interval: 85,600 to 123,400) within the community population in England had the coronavirus (COVID-19) during the most recent week, from 13 to 19 September 2020, equating to around 1 in 500 people (95% credible interval: 1 in 600 to 1 in 400).


During the most recent week (13 to 19 September 2020), we estimate there were around 1.75 (95% credible interval: 1.31 to 2.30) new COVID-19 infections for every 10,000 people per day in the community population in England, equating to around 9,600 new cases per day (95% credible interval: 7,100 to 12,600).

They are clear that they can only count the number of positive tests and have to infer the number of cases from their followup studies.

162977 Winston Smith, replying to Winston Smith, 3, #353 of 1826 🔗

Listening to Talk Radio this morning, has Julia Hartley-Brewer turned into a mask zealot?

162984 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Winston Smith, 5, #354 of 1826 🔗

She was always for them unfortunately. Tis her one downfall in my opinion.

163147 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to CGL, 1, #355 of 1826 🔗

Does anyone know if there is a way of contacting her via Talk Radio? She is a sceptic when it comes to the casedemic so it would be good to keep her updated with facts she might not have seen,,,

163299 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to CGL, #356 of 1826 🔗

She also suffers from TDS.

162985 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to Winston Smith, 6, #357 of 1826 🔗

My wife is a sceptic – she thinks its all bollox – she works with the WHO and they are famous for being useless and corrupt. But – she is in favour of masks. She knows there is no evidence for their efficacy but she thinks that wearing them makes vulnerable people feel safe so they can come out. We obviously disagree but that’s fine. People are more subtle than lockdown zealot/sceptic

163002 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to steve_w, 23, #358 of 1826 🔗

Beady eyes over the top of a mask do anything but me feel safe.

163057 ▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to steve_w, 13, #359 of 1826 🔗

With all due respect to your wife, that’s one of the worst reasons ever for submitting to muzzle wearing.

I’m not a life coach – my job is not to provide confidence nor warm, fuzzy feelings to those around me when they are engaging in day-to-day activities.

I have enough personal quirks and frailties of my own, and I don’t see anyone else going out of their way to pacify me (not that I’d ever ask, nor expect)!

163060 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to steve_w, 11, #360 of 1826 🔗

That’s fine, and a point on which reasonable people can disagree.

What should be absolutely unacceptable is making it compulsory, by force of law.

162986 ▶▶ alw, replying to Winston Smith, #361 of 1826 🔗

She or a member of her family had it. Unfortunately those who have had it seem to be zealots.

162990 ▶▶ Biker, replying to Winston Smith, -1, #362 of 1826 🔗

She’s doing her best only her best isn’t very good. Just because you’d fuck her and she says mildly conservative things that seems to be enough for the kind of tosser who likes his brand of tyranny branded conservative. For those of us who believe in individualism she’s just another corporate whore living off my back.

163050 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Biker, 8, #363 of 1826 🔗

I would have done, Biker, but not now. It’s fucking insidious, the whole fucking thing. “It’s only a mask, stop having a tantrum”, they say, I’ll fucking give them a slap. It’s coming 😡

162994 Basics, replying to Basics, 5, #364 of 1826 🔗

Trump positive test. Sky news mask rule creep. Sky news quite happy to report it is all basically Trump’s fault – he often didn’t wear a mask they say. Well now, masks don’t protect you they protect others so they used to say. But now masks have returned to there old status as PPE – personal.

How many tests has Trump had? Just the one or a comfirmation via two or three others?

163000 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Basics, 11, #365 of 1826 🔗

More proof, if needed, that the British news media are openly backing Biden. I can’t stand Trump, but I honestly feel at this stage, the other side have become so evil that they’re doing the same job as Hilary did last time around. Michael Moore has already warned about this, but not sure many are listening.

163062 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to PoshPanic, 5, #366 of 1826 🔗

The cynical and depraved MSM will have a field day with this. Expect an absolute deluge of pro-mask propaganda. Wall-to-wall masks, masks, masks, masks.

163094 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Basics, #367 of 1826 🔗

Having Eric Feigl Ding on saying “it was only a matter of time” confirms just how biased Sky News is to me. I don’t know the guy but he is often seen on Twitter misrepresenting data and studies to make sensationalist statements.

163298 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Basics, #368 of 1826 🔗

He gets them all the time, false poistive seems at least possible, I’m sure he’s taking vitamin D and HCQ. Deaths through overmedicalisation are much reduced.

163449 ▶▶ Suburbian, replying to Basics, 1, #369 of 1826 🔗

I’m fairly sure that Trump gets tested every single day.

162995 paulito, replying to paulito, 9, #370 of 1826 🔗

Seen a lot of comments in sceptic circles about the “rebellion” in Madrid. A bit of context is required,as th ere is much more to this than meets the eye. Isabel Diaz Ayuso of the Conservative PP party and President of the autonomous region’s government, is hardly a champion of lockdown opponents. It was her decision to lockdown more than 30 districts housing 850,000 people. She also requested that the army be sent in to enforce it. The protests against these measures were organised by the Podemos party who are the junior partners in a coalition government responsible for the original national house arrest. They claimed it was an assault on working class districts by a right wing regional government. Of course, not a peep out of them about the decision to close the whole city down by the government that they form a part of. While I’m sure that many in Madrid are opposed to lockdowns, much of what’s happening in Madrid is down to party political wrangling and not a principled opposition to lockdown. All parties in Spain are fully behind the casedemic. The only argument over lockdown is who has the authority to inflict them.

163067 ▶▶ Mark, replying to paulito, 3, #371 of 1826 🔗

Depressing but informative clarification. Thanks, paulito.

162996 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #372 of 1826 🔗

Apart from voting to agree with THEIR parliament, have the MP’s decided that their constituents are no longer relevant, I haven’t even had an acknowledgment from mine for weeks

163747 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dan Clarke, #373 of 1826 🔗

They think that the are safe in their seats. Not true, many people will either stand for new seats and out them or vote for new parties especially the disillusioned labour and conservative voters.

163004 Suburbian, replying to Suburbian, 9, #374 of 1826 🔗

Below is the ofcom guidance that show that the mainsteam media has been warned not to show anything that doesn’t agree with NHS or public heath authorities

“This may include, for instance, discussion of unverified theories for the causes of the Coronavirus and discussion of potential treatments or cures for the Coronavirus that do not align with advice of the NHS or other public health authorities”


163035 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Suburbian, 4, #375 of 1826 🔗

Good post. OFCOM seem to be social engineers no longer offering an apoltical stance, if they ever did. They are tyipical biased regulators with value system that appears to be broken. Common purposed up to the gunnels is my guess – but I fancy the actual structure within is an unhealthy environment. Low levels of job satisfaction with a core zealotry ruling the roost would not surprise me.

163631 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Basics, #376 of 1826 🔗

OFCOM have always been a tool of the establishment.. the whole facade of QUANGOs is just that and nothing more.

163043 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Suburbian, #377 of 1826 🔗

The Licence Fees, so only the ‘obedient’ get an extension to their licence?

163077 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Suburbian, 1, #378 of 1826 🔗

OVERSEER would be a more appropriate name

163097 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Suburbian, 5, #379 of 1826 🔗

If you are concerned about this (and imo we all should be), it’s worth bearing in mind that there is a way to fight it. Toby’s other campaigning role is running the Free Speech Union, and they are currently pursuing a case against Ofcom trying to get those rules struck down. Details here:

The Free Speech Union Fighting Fund
and here:

Update 23rd June

If you are already aware of this, that’s fine, it never hurts to publicise this kind of thing again.

163288 ▶▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to Mark, 1, #380 of 1826 🔗

Thanks, saved my posting similar.

163011 Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #381 of 1826 🔗

An Irish Think Tank looking at how the days of Sars CoV 2 will change the world order (there term).
Havard Professor Steven Walt gives a 20 minute presentation on his assessment of the new world after covid.


163229 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Basics, #382 of 1826 🔗

Link sent to a video of a new normal school/prison.It was horrendous

163019 mattghg, replying to mattghg, 2, #383 of 1826 🔗

“we lockdown sceptics must keep pressing our argument that none of these measures are warranted or proportionate so that extreme public health interventions, compulsorily enforced, don’t become the new normal”

I fear that ship may have already sailed, Will.

163034 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to mattghg, 3, #384 of 1826 🔗

Other countries have managed to mitigate the globalist plan, wonder what the incentive is for the UK Cabinet. Hancock did seem hysterical yesterday so he’s either been ‘managed’ to think his words are true, or his personal future is slipping away

163047 ▶▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #385 of 1826 🔗

Hancock and Johnson know they are now rats caught in a trap of their own making. And we know how cornered rats behave.

163078 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to TheOriginalBlackPudding, 4, #386 of 1826 🔗

Buy popcorn (interests declaration: I have shares in popcorn), sit back and enjoy the show.

163071 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #387 of 1826 🔗

This is where this particular belief falls apart isn’t it? Other countries are doing different, more liberal, things. Easy to sort out really.

163075 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #388 of 1826 🔗

Hancock is a busted flush, they’re just trying to cling to power as long as possible. The moment this corona myth is finished, so are they.

163629 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #389 of 1826 🔗

Trying? Where is the challenge to their power? They’re not even being properly scrutinised, let alone held to account… less still being challenged for power.

163092 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Dan Clarke, 2, #390 of 1826 🔗

Best guess, is they’re betting against Trump, along with a bunch of other similar minded regimes. It would explain a lot. However, if this doesn’t go to plan, how will post Brexit UK look?

163174 ▶▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to PoshPanic, #391 of 1826 🔗

Jolly well!

163020 Dan Clarke, 4, #392 of 1826 🔗

Our political leaders, with the exception of a couple, are the Globalists hand maidens, Johnson and Hancock even look the part

163040 Recusant, replying to Recusant, 8, #393 of 1826 🔗

I have been thinking over Hancock’s claim that hundreds of thousands could die if we let covid spread. It is such obvious bunk that I wonder why he believes it. He is not a stupid man, so why does he accept the psychopathic projections of Ferguson et al? Is it that he needs Covid to be terrible so he can be the hero that saves us? Is it that the political incentives for him are such that it is worse for him to be seen to do nothing than for the economy to be vapourised? Is it that he has no idea about how to think of death and geta it all out of proportion? I’m not making a point or slagging him off, I think it’s a key question in figuring out how to stop the government.

163061 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Recusant, 7, #394 of 1826 🔗

He is in the pay of Bill G and Nicole Junkermann.

163066 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Recusant, #395 of 1826 🔗

We only need one to die.

163088 ▶▶ TheOriginalBlackPudding, replying to Recusant, 7, #396 of 1826 🔗

I wonder why he believes it”
He doesn’t have to believe it. He and Johnson choose to parrot this precisely because it demonstrates that they hold the moral high ground whilst divisively demonising anyone who dares question their policy. It presents a false dichotomy: either accept our ordinances and the loss of liberty or be ostracised as a sociopathic, granny-killing monster.
But nobody challenges it and so they are allowed, insidiously, to divide the population and to rule by diktat.

163104 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Recusant, 4, #397 of 1826 🔗

He is a stupid man. He’s Captain Darling and he’ll be sent over the top with the rest. I actually hope he hangs on for longer than the rest. The entertainment of watching him continually squirm will be a small repayment.

163129 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Recusant, 6, #398 of 1826 🔗

We do not, of course, know that he actually believes it. He is a politician and therefore a professional liar. How would we know if he were lying?

The question applies generally, are these people consciously lying, or are they persuading themselves to believe patent nonsense because it allows them to justify the things they have done, and the things they must do to protect themselves from the consequences of what they’ve done?

As for “he is not a stupid man”, I disagree. He clearly has the potential for displaying intelligence, but equally evidently he is functionally stupid on this issue, whether out of fear or dishonesty, or both.

163042 PaulH, replying to PaulH, 26, #399 of 1826 🔗

Re “the vaccine”, why is one even needed for a disease with a recovery rate of around 99.9%?

Especially since the average age of those who do succumb is about 82?

Given there is essentially no danger at all from CV-19 for younger people, why would they want to take the risk of a vaccine with unknown, but possibly grave side effects? They would literally have nothing to gain.

This looks to be more and more about money and power – and less and less to do with health. And don’t you love the way they talk about us like we are their personal herd of livestock to be medicated as they see fit?

Whatever happened to “informed consent”?

163059 ▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to PaulH, 5, #400 of 1826 🔗

It does seem to thoroughly discredit every individual and organisation pushing it all publicly documented. It least it makes it clear who cannot be trusted to make decisions that might have a baring on other peoples health for when we get through this.

163064 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Saved To Death, 7, #401 of 1826 🔗

All of the Establishment is thoroughly discredited.

163074 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to PaulH, 16, #402 of 1826 🔗

It was always about control, not health. This is a brutal lesson for all of us. All the institutions of government, media, medicine, law, business and much else besides are irredeemably corrupt to the core.

163103 ▶▶ Mark, replying to PaulH, 6, #403 of 1826 🔗

why is one even needed for a disease with a recovery rate of around 99.9%

Clearly, it isn’t. It’s needed to address the hysterical panic, not the disease itself, whose direct health impacts are likely mostly behind us anyway.

163114 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Mark, 3, #404 of 1826 🔗

(And when I write “it’s needed”, I obviously mean it isn’t either needed or appropriate, but rather that it’s part of that hysterical over-reaction.

163123 ▶▶▶▶ PaulH, replying to Mark, 1, #405 of 1826 🔗

Indeed. And who did more than anyone else to create the hysteria? the government itself.

163133 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to PaulH, 2, #406 of 1826 🔗

The government did plenty, for sure, but there is plenty of blame to go around on that point – media, political establishment including the supposed “opposition”, scientific establishment, social media establishment and big tech, …. All guilty of promoting fear.

163121 ▶▶▶ DJ Dod, replying to Mark, 8, #407 of 1826 🔗

I think the Government also see the vaccine as a ‘get out of jail free’ card. Since the ‘killer virus’ appears to be waning of its own accord, people might start to wonder if the destruction of the economy (and all the other ‘collateral damage’) was worth it. Hence the need to ramp up the fear and keep everyone distracted with a ‘second wave’.

Eventually the truth will out, and history will not be kind to the charlatans responsible for this epic fiasco.

163126 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Mark, 2, #408 of 1826 🔗

It’s obviously needed to save the skins of the government and policy makers. Who wouldn’t risk their own or their families life, to help them out?

163127 ▶▶ Risk Assessment, replying to PaulH, 4, #409 of 1826 🔗

“Given there is essentially no danger at all from CV-19 for younger people, why would they want to take the risk of a vaccine with unknown, but possibly grave side effects? They would literally have nothing to gain.”

Because they’ll be told it’s not about them. They MUST be vaccinated to protect others. Cue much virtue signalling and enforced vaccination becomes law.
” if it saves just one covid life! ”

We’re not coming back from this. We’re to be controlled for the rest of our miserable lives.

163170 ▶▶▶ PaulH, replying to Risk Assessment, 6, #410 of 1826 🔗

No doubt they will do exactly this – and fairly soon too.

The fact that forcing one person to undergo treatment for the benefit of another flies in the face of all medical ethics will not worry them at all.

It is as outrageous as me (in an at-risk group as it happens) insisting all passengers on my train to work should be vaccinated to protect my health, no matter what it does to theirs!

It stands the very idea of altruism on its head.

163228 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to PaulH, 4, #411 of 1826 🔗

This is what I’ve been making a noise about since this all began:informed consent should and must, be an essential component of any medical procedure.

163231 ▶▶ chaos, replying to PaulH, 1, #412 of 1826 🔗

Covid is a trojan horse for some kind of great faux-green ‘Greta’ reset. And vaccines are a trojan horse for digital ID… it’s not so much a boot on your face forever, but a chip…

163070 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Steeve, 2, #414 of 1826 🔗

These rules are insane. I hope nobody complies. What the flying flip are these bastards thinking. FFS

163125 ▶▶ Julian S, replying to Steeve, 4, #415 of 1826 🔗

Was sorely tempted by the “Is anything wrong with this page” link at the bottom. Where would you start?

163048 Awkward Git, 15, #416 of 1826 🔗

good one to ask mask zealots who muzzle their kids and why the exemptions for under-12s:


  • Pneumonia accounts for 15% of all deaths of children under 5 years old, killing 808 694 children in 2017.
  • Pneumonia can be caused by viruses, bacteria, or fungi.

And how they get it:

“The viruses and bacteria that are commonly found in a child’s nose or throat, can infect the lungs if they are inhaled. They may also spread via air-borne droplets from a cough or sneeze. “

So they get it from breathing in the various strains naturally present in their own mouths.

So the questions:

  1. Why is nothing done even though over 800 000 children die from an easily preventable and treatable disease?
  2. Why are your children masked and you are allowing them to breath in their own pneumonia virus, bacteria and fungus?
  3. what about the “chheeeeldren?” (The zealots favourite phrase at times.)
  4. You are trusting WHO about their politically-motivated verbal (but nothing ever officially written down) mask wearing pronouncements, their “protect the vulnerable” that means they die alone and cut-off from humanity), the vaccine, their ideas about taking people with positive test results to a “safe secure place” and splitting up children so why not trust them on this?
  5. WHO wouldn’t lie would they?

The sneezing into the mask apart from being disgusting is also increasing there risks of adult pneumonia. The idiots that do this deserve it as well to teach them a lesson.

163054 James Bertram, replying to James Bertram, 13, #417 of 1826 🔗

Top article by Michael Hegarty in The Conservative Woman today:
‘…. Indeed, what we are seeing today is the perfect storm of motivations. A large body who believe, and have always believed, that human flaws can be erased by social organisation have combined with a government cynically trying to avoid owning up to its mistakes and a press addicted to sensationalism. Never was Burke’s adage more needed: ‘When bad men combine, the good must associate.’

163226 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to James Bertram, #418 of 1826 🔗

An excellent article

163056 swedenborg, 2, #419 of 1826 🔗

Apocalypse perhaps
An elegant general article written by Prof David Isaacs, prominent infectious disease expert, Australia
 “Dates can be fateful. In Chekhov’s plays, people often die on their birthdays, a poignant dramatic device. William Shakespeare died on his birthday. The exact starting date of the novel coronavirus pandemic COVID‐19 will never be known, but China informed the World Health Organization (WHO) about the disease on New Year’s Eve, 31 December 2019. A few hours later and we might have called it COVID‐20. Transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)‐CoV‐2, the virus that causes COVID‐19, was accelerated by traditional travel of 3 billion people for 40 days before the Chinese New Year on 25 January 2020.”

163068 nat, replying to nat, 5, #420 of 1826 🔗

It was widely reported that Sir Patrick Vallance has £600,000 of shares in pharmaceuticals giant GlaxoSmithKline,( a partner of Bill Gates) contracted to develop a Covid vaccine for the Government, but is is not so widely known that Professor Chris Whitty was awarded $40 million by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation for malaria research. He is also a board member of CEPI, The Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations which is funded by the Gates Foundation.

The Gates Foundation also gave $79 million Imperial College in 2020 and is the biggest funder of WHO, in fact is a major funder of every organisation that shapes policy response to Covid 19. It sounds like a lot of money, but Gates is banking on it making him a trillionaire as the aim is is vaccinate everyone on the planet with a minimum of two doses every year.






163224 ▶▶ chaos, replying to nat, 2, #421 of 1826 🔗

All of the Global Health Security articles in the Telegraph are courtesy of Gates due to their $3 million donation to the Telegraph. Luckily the Telegraph are still offering some resistance.. hence why that paper (and others who have recieved Gates’ shilling) feels so schizophrenic.

163358 ▶▶▶ nat, replying to chaos, 1, #422 of 1826 🔗

I didn’t know the Telegraph receives funding as well. I knew the BBC and the Guardian did. I wonder how many more ? They have all been quiet on Whitty’s vaccine links as far as I can see, apart from the brief mention in the DM.

164602 ▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to nat, #423 of 1826 🔗

Sky News maybe via the company that owns NBC??

163328 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to nat, 1, #424 of 1826 🔗

Very good summary. I would add that the Imperial funding goes back at least 7 yrs, and exceeds $200m and may be quite a lot more.

163349 ▶▶▶ nat, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #425 of 1826 🔗

Thank you. It is true Gates has been funding Ferguson/ Imperial for some time, to predict pandemics for swine flu and bird flu before Covid 19. I forgot to mention Chris Whitty is also the chair of UK Vaccine Network (UK VN). The UK VN brings together “industry, academia and relevant funding bodies to make targeted investments in specific vaccines and vaccine technology”.

163073 wendyk, 18, #426 of 1826 🔗

Interesting encounter a short while ago, while out on my early morning bird watching walk: dog walkers here are invariably friendly, approachable and sensible.

Having discussed the difficulties in identifying waders correctly, we then discussed the dire conditions which have befallen us.

The man I spoke to is a retired printer, who despite having stopped buying papers is well informed: he noted the protests gathering on the continent and told me that a former colleague of his,still in the printing business , is now operating at 30% capacity.

His daughter-in-law, a teacher, is wondering why it is OK to teach a class of 30 children ,while it is verboten for more than 6 folk to meet indoors.

As to the 10pm curfew: his words-‘do these idiots think the virus tells the time?’

He thinks that the politicians who have got us into this awful mess are afraid of owning up to errors made and to losing support.

He then said :’I think she’s enjoying this’; a sentiment which I wholeheartedly endorsed. His opinion of the Holyrood Dominatrix mirrors my own -a control freak all dressed up in self righteous bossiness.

My sense is that a quiet frustration is building here, still not organised nor openly expressed-a sad sign of the times- but nevertheless it’s there.

We can only hope that we’ll be allowed to vote in next year’s Holyrood elections, and that the opposition will have got its act together.

163081 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #427 of 1826 🔗

the virus has been the Fear they needed to begin the controls, Agenda 21 and Event 21 both use it as the control method. This is not a coincidence and we should be more focused on the controls that are being brought in on the back of it, rather than the disease which affects petri dish situations of .0001% of the population. People are still focused on eradicating, the ‘disease’, when even if that happened, which they can’t allow, the controls would still increase if allowed.

163131 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #428 of 1826 🔗

This is irrelevant to just about everybody. To the normies it’s a conspiracy theory.

163087 Caramel, replying to Caramel, 6, #429 of 1826 🔗

The glee from the media and public over Trump testing is sickening. They have been salivating about this. My first thought was ‘about time, many people have had it.

When Boris was sick, I was frustrated because that drama meant that lockdowns would be prolonged.

163091 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Caramel, 5, #430 of 1826 🔗

Could be good for Trump, he needs the rest before the final onslaught

163113 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to Dan Clarke, 3, #431 of 1826 🔗

Might play well for Trump- he loves to call out fake news. Hopefully he is aware of the concept of a false positive

163117 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Caramel, 2, #432 of 1826 🔗

Trump will go the same way as Johnson, and will lose the election (if it goes ahead) or be forced to step down due to being incapacitated. Cue Biden’s Woke presidency which will destroy the USA once and for all.

163312 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Richard O, 3, #433 of 1826 🔗

Diversity training is a great example of the insidious ideology that has weakened Western societies to the point where they have inflicted the worst economic crisis in history upon themselves for no reason. BLM/Antifa represent the more violent arm of this ideology, and they will be integrated even deeper into the culture should the Democrats seize control at federal level.

163364 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Caramel, #434 of 1826 🔗

stock markets down due to trump positive test. obviously the money men are concerned it might affect his re-election

163089 NickR, replying to NickR, 7, #435 of 1826 🔗

When Whitty was trying to scare everyone with the 50,000 ‘cases’ a day & 200 deaths he did at least concede that the CFR was 0.4% not 1%. 0.4% of the 67m UK population is 268,000. So, if every single person in the country, including the millions who’ve already been infected once caught it & the death rate did indeed achieve his ludicrous rate only then could you get to 100,000s. It’s so ludicrous but not challenged by politicians in the Commons or journalists at the Q&A at press briefings.

163165 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to NickR, 2, #436 of 1826 🔗

Nothing seems to get challenged now – and likely may not, now they have got the extension to the act passed.

Another bit of news I have just seen is that the NHS is apparently going to go carbon neutral – linked to Boris’s money to the WHO?: https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1311730798001823744

163093 chaos, replying to chaos, 11, #437 of 1826 🔗

The Public Health Act 1984 (ooo they do have a sense of humour!) is the main culprit.. but we had to sit and watch the pretend toothless mutiny of the Brady bunch over the corona act. What happened? The half that bothered to vote mostly voted to extend inc. Steve Baker. I tell you who voted against it though.. ALL the lib dems and Dawn Butler. Strange times. Is anyone else feeling on-off suicidal by this coup?

163102 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to chaos, 5, #438 of 1826 🔗

The liberal democrats want the student vote, so it’s entirely possible it’s just a reaction to what is happening in universities, which is seen as an opportunity for them.

163107 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Cicatriz, 5, #439 of 1826 🔗

Do you know what – ANYTHING so long as we can get out of this hell. We can sort everything else afterwards.

163112 ▶▶ PaulH, replying to chaos, 8, #440 of 1826 🔗

Tory MPs = Paper Tigers R Us

Even Caroline Lucas did the right thing.

163122 ▶▶▶ JASA, replying to PaulH, 1, #441 of 1826 🔗

I agree, but maybe they think like Maria Caulfield (if they think at all).
“From Maria Caulfield MP -Unfortunately I can’t vote against the renewal of the Act as contained in it is all the extra funding for the NHS,schools and businesses that they need to get through this period. Without the extension, their extra funding would stop straight away”

163140 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to JASA, 1, #442 of 1826 🔗

Except that what she says is not true – look at the thread on Simon Dolan’s Twitter..

163153 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Carrie, #443 of 1826 🔗

Can you expand on what is not true here. I looked yesterday 190 tweets in a thread at that point.

Do you mean what she reported to have said she did say (accurately reported) but the actual reason for voting one way rather than other is different?

If you can copy the relevant tweets, it helps discussion.

163160 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, 1, #444 of 1826 🔗
163371 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Carrie, #445 of 1826 🔗

so the reason she gave is a total lie… whooops!!!

163137 ▶▶▶ Mark, replying to PaulH, 6, #446 of 1826 🔗

But whenever the “Conservative” Party is legitimately criticised over this, it should be remembered that the Labour Party has been as bad or worse.

The two vital political outcomes are that the government suffers for what it has done and that the Labour Party does not benefit from it’s culpable complicity.

Our problem is not the “Conservative” Party or the Labour Party, it is a political establishment that is simply unfit for purpose.

163197 ▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Mark, 1, #447 of 1826 🔗

True… it’s a bind alright.

163498 ▶▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to AidanR, 2, #448 of 1826 🔗

But more importantly – I can’t believe I left that darned negligent apostrophe in “its”!

163124 ▶▶ James007, replying to chaos, 4, #449 of 1826 🔗

As far as I can tell the Government has no binding obligation to consult parliament on future restrictions. They have just said if they judge it to be practical and they get round to doing it, a responsible minister may come to the dispatch box. Is that the case? Have they said anything about actually giving MPs a vote on future restrictions?

I can’t work out why Baker et al. have caved in on this. Baker for instance- didn’t even abstain- he voted yes! In an act that would have passed anyway – what was there to loose by making a point?

I also don’t understand why the turnout was so low. Hasn’t remote voting been set up? Or was it due to pairing agreements?

Why didn’t the opposition turn up to oppose? Why not try to exploit division in the Conservative back benches?

163151 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to chaos, 2, #450 of 1826 🔗

On-off suicidal multiple times every day!

163193 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to chaos, #451 of 1826 🔗

Yep. But the urge to stand up and fight is starting to overcome the despair.

163111 JASA, replying to JASA, 9, #452 of 1826 🔗

I am due to have a dental appointment next week. I have had to sign a consent form. The beginning of it reads like this……………..

“I, consent to having an appointment/treatment provided at xxxxxx during the COVID-19 pandemic.

I understand the COVID-19 virus has a long incubation period during which carriers of the virus may not show symptoms and still be highly contagious. Given the current limits in virus testing, it is impossible to determine who has it and who does not have COVID-19.

Attending any public space currently carries a risk of transmission. I understand that xxxxxx has introduced additional measures in line with national guidance to minimise the risk of transmission. However, I also understand that in attending xxxxxx and receiving treatment during the COVID-19 pandemic a risk does still remain”.

Who advised them to word it like this, especially the bit I have highlighted in bold? If it is the government, that really does undermine their testing strategy.

163155 ▶▶ Mark H, replying to JASA, 2, #453 of 1826 🔗

How, exactly, do asymptomatic people shed this virus? Is there clear scientific evidence on this?

163206 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Mark H, 4, #454 of 1826 🔗

As long as you are seated in a pub with no more than 5 others including the dentist and his/her assistant you will be fine.

163698 ▶▶▶ PastImperfect, replying to Mark H, #455 of 1826 🔗

No scientific evidence from me, but surely if the person is asymptomatic the virus is prevented from replicating by saliva, mucous membranes, t-cells, B-cells
and so there should be no new virus to shed.

I’d like this suggestion to be affirmed or repudiated (or perhaps modified).

163215 ▶▶ Julian, replying to JASA, #456 of 1826 🔗

TBH I would be happy to sign such a form if it meant that there was no further coronabollocks to put up with

163120 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 8, #457 of 1826 🔗

Simon Dolan has filed for an injunction against the Government’s latest restrictions:

We have joined forces with leading wedding venue operator Cripps Barn Group Ltd to seek an injunction which would immediately halt the Government’s latest lockdown laws.

We are serving legal papers on the Government today, seeking urgent relief from the Court to quash the new restrictions laid down by Boris Johnson’s Cabinet and to
declare them illegal. We are also seeking permission to take the measures to judicial review.

More info here:

163135 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to zacaway, 4, #458 of 1826 🔗

Will this receive coverage from the BBC on the same scale as Gina Miller’s legal interventions? No.

163139 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to OKUK, 3, #459 of 1826 🔗

Some one with twitter might like to forward relevant details to marianna disinformation spring at the bbc. Just so the bbc are publicly seen to be hiding information from the wider public. In the same way as the bbc appear not to know what vitamin D is.

163189 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to OKUK, 3, #460 of 1826 🔗

Who cares what the BBC do or don’t report?

Is the object of the exercise to court the attention of a hostile media, or to legally challenge what’s being done?

163208 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to AidanR, 2, #461 of 1826 🔗

I think we absolutely must care what the BBC report because they have such huge reach and influence with the public, and it is the public who need to be persuaded of our case

163210 ▶▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to AidanR, #462 of 1826 🔗

They’ll have to report it if he is successful, it would effectively make the restrictions null and void, and unenforceable.

163740 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to zacaway, #463 of 1826 🔗

This is an important step in the right direction.

163136 Basics, 16, #464 of 1826 🔗

Because the freshers did not firm up into ranks of Kapos in their first days at university they enabled an anti Death element to run freely about the Halls. If they had formed a Kapo batallion to shift work the patrolling of our corridors 24/7, as was expected, there would have been no issue. As it was, however, the students chose to laze in their beds allowing the anti death element to engage in practices of life while others remain asleep on duty.

This IS torture. It FITS the Amnesty International prisoner of war definition. Punished for others ‘wrong doing’. Punishment for unknowable abitrary reason.

Frankly Freshers Fuck off home and sue. You have been humiliated and had your human dignity attacked by a scum university chancellor. Just pack your things and go.

163138 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #465 of 1826 🔗

For those asking yesterday here’s a link to a warranty of vaccine safety to give to the administering person to sign prior to getting jabbed:


Had to get it on firefox in private mode as safari not opening the full webpage.

163143 ▶▶ Basics, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #466 of 1826 🔗

Good post as ever Mr Git.

Not related to the point of your comment, here’s an eye opener about mozilla’s attack on freedom of information. I believe you may be interested as someone who clearly values the widest sources of information.

30 mins but you will have twigged to the concept in the first 5 mins.

163233 ▶▶▶ zacaway, replying to Basics, 1, #467 of 1826 🔗

Interesting, didn’t think Mozilla would go down the censorship hole.

Somewhat related, I found some resources here if you’re concerned about privacy & tracking on the internet:

163150 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, #468 of 1826 🔗

Well, if I was a giving vaccine injections I would sign that, no problem.

163169 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Two-Six, 1, #469 of 1826 🔗

You’d be a braver doctor than me then.

I wouldn’t sign it as it says I have personally researched it myself, everything is safe, it does not contain any of the dangerous ingredients listed and I take full responsibility for anything that happens to the patient from that point on.

Brave doctor indeed who would sign it.

163172 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Awkward Git, #470 of 1826 🔗

Is that document a real thing?

163177 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Two-Six, #471 of 1826 🔗

yes, started in the states.

163187 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Awkward Git, #472 of 1826 🔗

It’s just more theatre. It may have some legal meaning in the USA, but the law is stacked in favour of health services here, and our law doesn’t work the same. Think of the use of pre-nups.. legally sound there, meaningless here.

163672 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to AidanR, #473 of 1826 🔗

Someone asked for something like this yesterday so as I’d read it in the past I posted it for them.

legal or not here wasn’t the reason for the post.

But it may make them stop for a minute though before jabbing you.

163179 ▶▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Two-Six, 1, #474 of 1826 🔗

You’ll find it in naturalness.com archives as well.

163162 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 12, #475 of 1826 🔗

Prof Gupta had a good interview with Kay Thicky this morning on prime morning time Sky (no agenda) News.

She managed to get some great points in at the end without interruption from the Thicky.

163168 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Major Panic, 4, #476 of 1826 🔗

She was good on Andrew Neil last night as well – he seems to have become more sceptic now. There is a clip at the top of Simon Dolan’s Twitter thread.

163320 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Major Panic, 3, #477 of 1826 🔗

Agree, I thought she was good today, and more to the point, Kay Burley did not interrupt her. Actually, I sense that Kay Burley is quite suspicious of the government narrative. Gupta is a typical Oxford academic, and to get the best out of her, you have to allow her to put her point across without threatening her. She is resolute in her views, based on her experience, but not aggressive or forceful in her style of communication.

163981 ▶▶▶ Will, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #478 of 1826 🔗

And her ex husband is a lockdown zealot/ vaccine fanatic… he’ll hath no fury like a woman scorned…

163166 Caroline Watson, replying to Caroline Watson, 56, #479 of 1826 🔗

The fundamental issue here is not the virus itself; it is a cultural one which will not go away when the virus has achieved the herd immunity that it will.

For the decades that most of us have been alive, there have been certain protocols around respiratory illnesses; you stayed at home on the worst days, you caught coughs and sneezes in a clean handkerchief and you stayed away from elderly or particularly vulnerable people. Anyone who was properly brought up (particularly by parents and grandparents who had lived in the days of TB and diphtheria, and before the NHS and antibiotics) learned to follow those protocols and they are still relevant and largely all that is necessary in the current situation.

Beyond those socially instilled courtesies, however, there was no societal belief that individuals were responsible for the health of others, particularly complete strangers. There was certainly never a belief that healthy people should forego the right to earn a living, socialise or attend an educational establishment, or should muzzle themselves and behave in entirely unnatural ways whilst doing so, in case they happened to give a largely harmless disease, that they didn’t know they had, to someone else to whom it would also almost certainly be harmless.

Now that this convention has been instilled in society, it will be hard to dislodge, particularly among the sanctimonious middle class Left. Children will be brought up to see mask-wearing ‘social distancing’ and not hugging their grandparents as ‘good’ and ‘normal’ and the refusal to engage with the nonsense will be added to the sins of the ‘boomers’.

It is good to see a pushback against the ‘woke’ in the BBC, the Department for Education and elsewhere. The ‘I am deliberately making my life uncomfortable, supposedly for you, but actually because it makes me feel virtuous’ tendency must be resisted in the same way.

163185 ▶▶ VeryCrossChris, replying to Caroline Watson, 2, #480 of 1826 🔗

Great post, Caroline, but your third paragraph – in particular – is absolutely spot-on!

163203 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Caroline Watson, 3, #481 of 1826 🔗

The genie is out of the bottle, for sure. One can only hope that there are enough “normal” people out there for the mad safetyism we have seen not to become the norm permanently. I think there might be, once people realise it’s not that dangerous, which increasing numbers are.

163223 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, 8, #482 of 1826 🔗

I think we need to start asking zealots at what point they will *stop* wearing a mask, and what will influence that decision— such questions will force them to think a bit about their reasoning..

163455 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Carrie, #483 of 1826 🔗

They usually shut down and mumble something about a vaccine

164037 ▶▶▶▶▶ Gracie Knoll, replying to Julian, 4, #484 of 1826 🔗

At which point we explain to them

• It usually takes at least 5-10 years to put a new Vax through proper safety (emphasise the word SAFETY) trials – this one will be rushed through in 6-12 months.
• It will be unlicensed – do they think that will make it SAFE?
• Vax pushers will be exempt from any prosecution for death and disability caused by their potentially UNSAFE Vax
• The Vax will thus be INJECTABLE RUSSIAN ROULETTE. Do they feel this is SAFE for them, SAFE for their children or SAFE for their grandchildren?

SAFETYISM is the Covid zealot’s religion. Use it against them.
Make them feel even less SAFE about the Vax than about the virus, and we might start to get somewhere.

163218 ▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Caroline Watson, #485 of 1826 🔗

Excellent summary Caroline. Completely makes sense of where we are.

163222 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Caroline Watson, 11, #486 of 1826 🔗

We are being encouraged to become lobotomised troglodytes: a significant abnegation of personal autonomy, freedom of choice and thought rationality and mature common sense.

That this is so obviously blatant and clumsy emotional blackmail seems to have escaped the willing faithful,whoo have voluntarily suspended their disbelief.

When one recalls that in mediaeval times,indulgences were flogged to the gullible by corrupt clerics, one has to wonder what form of contemporary indulgences will be wheeled out to pacify the followers and silence the dissenters.

163225 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to wendyk, 3, #487 of 1826 🔗

Yes, did you see that school video last night? No interaction between pupils at all, and barely any between pupils and teachers either..

163243 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Carrie, 2, #488 of 1826 🔗

It’s awful; I despair at the burdens being placed upon the young-( see my latest rant, just posted).

163282 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Caroline Watson, 3, #489 of 1826 🔗

Excellent points. The cultural wounds that have been inflicted are often overlooked and drowned out by all the noise around economic damage and political intrigues. In many ways these are the most significant changes that have happened, and they will be the hardest to undo.

163636 ▶▶ stewart, replying to Caroline Watson, 8, #490 of 1826 🔗

I would add that the most dangerous precedent set is that hitherto each of us has been fully in charge of what happens when we are sick whereas now the government is in charge.

Up to now there was no legal requirement of any kind. If you got sick and wanted to stay home, you did, if you wanted to push through it and carry on as normal you could.

SInce March the decision of how you respond to your own sickness has been taken out of your hands and we now must do as we are told. And leaving the house when you’ve been told not to can lead to severe penalties.

A fundamental liberty that all of us took for granted has been taken away from us.

164440 ▶▶ Bart Simpson, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #491 of 1826 🔗

Well said. We should ensure that Never Again should lockdowns, mauzzle wearing and social distancing be ever considered.

165633 ▶▶ Bruno, replying to Caroline Watson, #492 of 1826 🔗

Complete nonsense of course, all classes are permeated with this ‘ lock down and masks are good’ business. The middle class left are the most likely to adhere to those ‘ socially instilled courtesies’, the aristos think the rules are only for the little people and the lower classes don’t know what the rules are.

163173 TyLean, replying to TyLean, 7, #493 of 1826 🔗

OMG, the vile and disgusting Esther McVey is on the side of good…. That’s a name that automatically triggers a vomit response for me. I can’t process this information at present. My head is spinning.

163195 ▶▶ chaos, replying to TyLean, 5, #494 of 1826 🔗

All of the lib dems voted against the act. As did Dawn Butler.

163211 ▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to chaos, 3, #495 of 1826 🔗

Yeah, that’s, too! Strange bedfellows indeed.

163199 ▶▶ DressageRider, replying to TyLean, 1, #496 of 1826 🔗

With you on that TyLean. The world is upside down.

163209 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to TyLean, #497 of 1826 🔗

Esther McVile.

163213 ▶▶ Londo Mollari, replying to TyLean, 2, #498 of 1826 🔗

I know exactly how you feel. Strange days. But then the Lib Dems, having abandoned liberty in favour of other things, voted against also. I am going to send an email to all 24.

163175 Mrs issedoff, replying to Mrs issedoff, 3, #499 of 1826 🔗

Apropos of nothing being discussed at the moment on here, I went to the gym yesterday. That’s it, just thought I would let you all know!. I had finished on a machine and dutifully did my wiping down, adding to the mounds of tissue and bacterial (not viral)spray being used every where. There was a young lad who I had noticed was obviously waiting to use the machine, he waited and the proceeded to clean it all down again. What is wrong with these young healthy people who are so scared of this virus, I truly despair if at this stage in the game people like him still exist.

I am a middle aged woman (with some health conditions)but have more balls than these wimps afraid of their own bloody shadows.

163411 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Mrs issedoff, 1, #500 of 1826 🔗

The ability for logical thinking in the younger generation (under 30 for sure) was gone long before this started.
Schools prepare children to sit exams, not to think for themselves.
I worked with a lot of 18y olds the last 5 years, and my sighs about “using common sense/efficient working (ok, I’m German, I’m efficient), that’s logical, why do you do it so stupidly? Engage your brain! were well known.

163416 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Mrs issedoff, 1, #501 of 1826 🔗

Ironically, us youngsters are ironically the most brainwashed.

163186 Roadrash, replying to Roadrash, 16, #502 of 1826 🔗

I have no faith that a vaccine will be effective. Some trials are already restricting elderly volunteers presumably because they know that the older you are the less likely it is to trigger an effective immune response – one of the reasons that the flu vaccine is so hit and miss. Presumably they also want to avoid the headlines showing the harm from side effects which are likely to be more pronounced in the elderly. So they will produce a variety of rushed through vaccines for a demographic of the population that don’t even need it and most likely won’t work for a sizeable proportion of the aged population.

nevertheless this won’t stop them mandating it in some form, most likely from the angle of making life so bloody difficult for those that don’t have it that most will end up volunteering anyway. Non vaccine? No job, travel, access to services etc. Sod human rights, they have shown they don’t give a sh*t already. Why would they be bothered in future? If there is mass non compliance then perhaps it will become like the flu jab, but I wouldn’t hold out any hope there either judging by the way the majority of the population have gone along with the restrictions so far.

So it will be digital passports all the way in the next few years. Can’t afford a phone? They will probably just give you one will the apps pre loaded. It won’t cost much on the scale of debt they are already generating. It’s not a conspiracy theory to point out how much wealth transfer is about to happen due to the vaccine alone, but you mention this to some people and they think your mad. 6 months ago if you said that in the autumn in large parts of the country it would be illegal to visit your parents in their home, or they visit you, or celebrate their birthday in a restaurant, or invite friends around for a drink, or let your kids go to their friends home etc, you would have been given a funny look. Yet here we are and not a whimper. Local politicians are going around actually begging to be put into lockdown. No consultation with their electorate, nothing. Just suck it up because it’s for everyone’s “benefit”.

So I don’t put anything past this shower of sh*te we have in charge. And choices? All the parties are the bloody same.

163192 ▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Roadrash, #503 of 1826 🔗

Well said, Roadrash

163202 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Roadrash, 1, #504 of 1826 🔗

“d on’t put anything past this shower of sh*te we have in charge”

Exactly – referring again to that Swiss Doctor cumulative graph – bear in mind that the relative proportions are much the same for this country, let alone the world.

163221 ▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to Roadrash, 5, #505 of 1826 🔗

This Guardian article (sorry!) from March about the super-surveillance regime in China gives a glimpse of the Brave New World my new granddaughter faces:
And the evidence of the past few weeks is that we are too supine to resist.

163227 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to BTLnewbie, 6, #506 of 1826 🔗

And to think a year or so ago people would have said, ‘it will never happen here’…

163254 ▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to BTLnewbie, #507 of 1826 🔗

Article well worth a read – enlightening – definitely the direction of travel in the West – so far

163264 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to BTLnewbie, -1, #508 of 1826 🔗

another nudging article..

163380 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to BTLnewbie, 1, #509 of 1826 🔗

As in what the chinese already have in place in XInjiang for controlling every aspect of the lives of the Uyghurs is what they will bring in to force in the rest of China – starting with those pesky people who believe in democracy in Hong Kong and then the rest of the country..
And then to be exported to a country near you

164609 ▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to mjr, #510 of 1826 🔗

Been following events in Hong Kong for a while before this stuff happened and I worry for them.

163230 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Roadrash, 1, #511 of 1826 🔗

Bhakdi interviewed on Richie Allen talked a lot about this the other day.

163235 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Roadrash, 2, #512 of 1826 🔗

Covid is a trojan horse for some kind of great faux-green ‘Greta’ reset. And the vaccine is a trojan horse for digital ID… it’s not so much a boot on your face forever, but a chip in your head, or your arm.. and/or in your passport…

163249 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, 1, #513 of 1826 🔗

Oh, I know, C ertificate O f V accination ID ….

163281 ▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to Roadrash, 1, #514 of 1826 🔗

There is a precedent for this in the UK – the Hostile Environment for immigrants. If you don’t have an approved form of documentation, which many British citizens and legal foreign residents do not, then it’s no job, no home, no health care, no bank account, etc, etc. The regime for EU citizens takes this a step further. Only digital proof of legal status is provided, so you are forced to carry a smartphone if you need to provide proof on the go.

And please don’t knock Greta she is only trying to keep the tropics habitable for the non white races so they don’t all *have* to come here.

163343 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Roadrash, 6, #515 of 1826 🔗

Is there anyone out there, who like me, would actually prefer to be dead than live in a world where medical treatment without consent can be forced on anyone at all?

163859 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Jo, #516 of 1826 🔗

Nah, I’ll carry on fighting, all the way down if need be.

163190 RickH, replying to RickH, 4, #517 of 1826 🔗

That graph of cumulative cases and mortality (from the Swiss Doctor site) should be hung round the neck of every BBC newsreader whenever thy dare to mention “! million deaths!”

163196 ▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 2, #518 of 1826 🔗

… and, as an afterthought, provides clear evidence of the bad faith of both government and media in exaggerating the effect of the virus.

The concepts that they are peddling are so desperately absurd that it is clear that the agenda – whatever else – isn’t truth and the public interest.

163200 CGL, replying to CGL, 3, #519 of 1826 🔗

Argument on fb with solicitor ‘friend’ who has no problem with restrictions and quite liked Tobias Elwoods speech about the vaccinated being free and those who don’t not.
Can anyone remind me what year the flu killed 50000 please?

163306 ▶▶ hat man, replying to CGL, 1, #520 of 1826 🔗

2017-2018 flu season

163201 Old Bill, 7, #521 of 1826 🔗

My message to Big Boris is this:

You stick a needle in my arm,
I stick a knife in your chest.

163216 John P, replying to John P, 9, #522 of 1826 🔗

“If cohorts of people refuse to have the vaccine, do we leave them to fend for themselves or have mandatory vaccination for children to go to schools, or for staff in care homes? There are lots of difficult questions.”

It’s worth saying that there does not need to be a 100% uptake of vaccine in order to eradicate the virus (assuming for a moment that a vaccine is both safe and effective).

The principle of “herd immunity” applies in this case too.

And if enough people are already immune – due either to having had the virus and become immune, or who were immune to it anyway – then by the time a vaccine arrives it may not even be necessary.

It is extremely concerning that the government have adopted this infantile faith in the efficacy of a viral vaccine.

The possession of a degree are not a mark of the ability to make balanced and rational decisions. One does not follow from the other.

University graduates do not usually make good business leaders for this reason.

Boris Johnson is clearly not fit for office and neither is his closest lieutenant.

163237 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to John P, 3, #523 of 1826 🔗

We have already seen how difficult they intend to make life for anyone who does not get vaccinated.. If you see Bill G’s patent for the tattoo you can see the direction of travel – the idea is cryptocurrency, so that the phone becomes unnecessary, making online ordering impossible, so you wouldn’t be able to order food online..

Bill G appears to have the FDA onboard with this:

163246 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Carrie, 4, #524 of 1826 🔗

Laws are already in place in Australia for mandatory vaccines. They can even pull your pants down and do it by force.

163252 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, 1, #525 of 1826 🔗

And no state benefits without vaccinations either..already in force..
Where were the courts on that?

163377 ▶▶ RickH, replying to John P, 1, #526 of 1826 🔗

Simple question : When did vaccines eradicate influenza? Did I miss something?

163217 chaos, replying to chaos, 12, #527 of 1826 🔗

It’s fine for rock stars to bang younger chicks. They are allowed to not grow up. Boris is 56.. his extinction rebellion posho tree hugger virtue signalling bird is almost half his age. What does a 56 and a 32 year old have in common? Boris is a man-child, arrested development.. a boy in a man-clown outfit. She tugs his little Boris.. she has his ear at night.. green green Boris.. think of Wilf.. bicycles bicycles Boris.. think of Wilf.. windfarms windfarms Boris.. think of Wilf. Build Back Greener Boris. Think of Wilf.

163242 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, 4, #528 of 1826 🔗

On the subject of ‘Building back’, I heard Jacinda Ardern using that phrase the other day – you can see how coordinated this is, with all leaders spouting the same mantras..

163257 ▶▶▶ Rowan, replying to Carrie, 3, #529 of 1826 🔗

Yes it’s been the same since day one of the corona hoax. Bill Gates must be well pleased that ‘world leaders’ are quoting from the information pack he sent them. No doubt it was accompanied with a nice fat cheque for services to be rendered.

163268 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Rowan, 2, #530 of 1826 🔗

All these leaders have ‘secrets’ that they do not want revealed; I am sure this is exploited to bribe them..

163255 ▶▶ Nigel Sherratt, replying to chaos, 3, #531 of 1826 🔗

Boris’s principal interests are himself and shagging. Having sailed through life concentrating on them and generally finding life easy and fun he has suddenly hit a brick wall and his ‘shattered visage’ is the cruel result

163274 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Nigel Sherratt, 2, #532 of 1826 🔗

Boris Johnson.. or Boris Kemal.. Johnson was chosen by Stanley’s father for a new life in Great Britain.. a bit like the royals and Windsor.. or Ralph Lifshitz choosing instead to be Ralph Lauren.. Stanley’s grandfather Ali Kemal was killed for treason shortly after resigning from the Ottoman government. He had been in the government three months.

163276 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Nigel Sherratt, #533 of 1826 🔗

Oh – and money (although I guess that is a subset of ‘himself!).

163220 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 36, #534 of 1826 🔗

My nephew got pulled up at his school yesterday for not wearing a mask (he is in high school here in the dictatorship that is Scotland)
When he was asked by the head teacher why he wasn’t wearing a mask, he replied because of his Asthma (he is genuinely Asthmatic) to which the head teacher replied “I will be checking that on your record” basically implying that my nephew is lying.
Surely this is also a breach of data protection rules, he is medically recorded as asthmatic, but that has nothing to do with the head teacher.
I salute my nephew, he has not & will not wear a mask, but the school are going to check this??

Welcome to Dictatorship Scotland.

163241 ▶▶ Rowan, replying to AnotherSceptic, 16, #535 of 1826 🔗

Sturgeon is perhaps even more annoying than the grossly noxious irritant known as the Boris Johnson. Well done your nephew.

163275 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Rowan, 4, #536 of 1826 🔗

Totally agree with you on that one Rowan. & thank you also, I will tell him.

163468 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to AnotherSceptic, 7, #537 of 1826 🔗

Dont forget Krankies sockpuppet dentist, masquerading as chief medical propagandist, who is doing all he can to justify bringing back hanging.

163476 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Nessimmersion, 4, #538 of 1826 🔗

He can be the first to sample the long drop…

163234 chaos, replying to chaos, 5, #539 of 1826 🔗

Just wait until Boris does a brino. Then things will really get loopy.

163238 ▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to chaos, #540 of 1826 🔗

What’s a brino?

163240 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Jonathan Palmer, 2, #541 of 1826 🔗

brexit in name only…

163263 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to chaos, 3, #542 of 1826 🔗

That’s all it was ever going to be.

163269 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Palmer, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #543 of 1826 🔗

Never trusted the tories not to sell us out anyway.

163290 ▶▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to chaos, 1, #544 of 1826 🔗

And there was I thinking of him being pickled in salty water.

163236 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 18, #545 of 1826 🔗

I’m still fuming about the worried parents’ comments in yesterday’s thread: young children at school being deprived of access to free fresh drinking water, a basic and essential right and necessity.

Despite not being a parent, I consider this to be one of the very worst instances of inappropriate and possibly illegal Covid zealotry.

End of rant

163244 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to wendyk, 5, #546 of 1826 🔗

I’m hoping UsForThem are onto this.

I see there are increasing numbers of court cases being brought now, maybe time for one on this?

163251 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Carrie, 6, #547 of 1826 🔗

I hope so Carrie; I cannot see this surviving a legal challenge.

163266 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to wendyk, 3, #548 of 1826 🔗

Very sadly, I’ve been told courts are looking at years of delay, due to covid of course.

Much easier for the bad guys to manipulate the court schedules, and unless we make a big fuss, significant cases will just be endlessly delayed.

163262 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to wendyk, 6, #549 of 1826 🔗

That’s not a rant, Wendy, that’s a sensible and restrained statement of your position. Keep practising though, and you’ll soon be able to rival Ann(ie) and biker. 🙂

163293 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to JohnB, 1, #550 of 1826 🔗

I’ll do my best!

BTW, I’ve just emailed Sir Desmond, to ask him to pursue this in the HOC.

163265 ▶▶ CGL, replying to wendyk, 1, #551 of 1826 🔗

I am still finding out the full details – I will update when fully up to date.
They are secondary school kids and are carrying enough in with them for the day.

163401 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to CGL, 1, #552 of 1826 🔗

Will be good to hear from you

163270 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to wendyk, 6, #553 of 1826 🔗

My daughter recently went most of the day without water because she didn’t understand the one way system to get to the water fountain to fill her bottle and was afraid of being told off.

163292 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Achilles, 3, #554 of 1826 🔗

This awful Achilles; it’s truly heartbreaking. I’ve been thinking about this since yesterday and I’m really upset.

Just shows that childless folk like me can suddenly find the one thing which is the excess to exceed all the grotesque excesses witnessed to date.

163425 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to wendyk, 1, #555 of 1826 🔗

Please don’t worry – I’m sorry to have upset you. X When the school get back to me I’ll let you know – hopefully they will say there is something that my daughter wasn’t aware of.

163472 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to CGL, 2, #556 of 1826 🔗

No you haven’t upset me CGL; not at all: it’s the thought of schools depriving pupils of drinking water which has upset me.

Your message yesterday started me thinking about how completely disproportionate this has all become.

163512 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to CGL, 1, #557 of 1826 🔗

Scope for hope CGL and all worried parents: reply to my earlier email from Sir Desmond Swayne : ‘Thanks. I’ll keep at it’.

Good man; at least we have someone to fight our corner.

163516 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to wendyk, 1, #558 of 1826 🔗

I won’t try to find this thread again – getting a bit difficult but I’ll post a new comment as soon as i hear anything. Take care.

163569 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to CGL, #559 of 1826 🔗

OK and good luck to you and your family CGL

163446 ▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Achilles, #560 of 1826 🔗

Is she primary age?

163245 PoshPanic, replying to PoshPanic, 11, #561 of 1826 🔗

First state to drop the mask mandate, though a few never had them in place.


163248 ▶▶ Julian, replying to PoshPanic, 2, #562 of 1826 🔗

Important step – shows it’s possible to move on

163289 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to PoshPanic, #563 of 1826 🔗

Will never happen here

163247 Julian, replying to Julian, 4, #564 of 1826 🔗

Colleague of mine has a 2 year old, needs a minor surgical procedure after a minor domestic accident. Mandatory covid test. Madness. Was told it’s standard before any surgery now.

163345 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Julian, 2, #565 of 1826 🔗

Did they do an MRSA test as well? MRSA tests have been mandatory before surgical procedures for years. MRSA is more of a problem than SARS-COV-2 ever will be

163368 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to p02099003, #566 of 1826 🔗

Indeed, and a conversation I had back in about May suggested that the simple ‘wash hands’ routine had helped with that problem – and was actually the main improvement!

163561 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Julian, 1, #567 of 1826 🔗

My little boy is 2 and had to get a test this morning so he could have some dental work on Monday. Now, I was worried. Just because I thought it was quite invasive.

But on seeing it he was absolutely fine. A small rub to the inside of the nose. He didn’t flinch. I asked a few questions before they did it so I could hold them to their word.

Will be interested to see the results given what we know. He’s had sniffles for the past week on and off.

This is just to say, while I disagree on principle, I had to because the dental is priority. And also to put your mind at some rest if they are mandating that it is done.

163729 ▶▶ annie, replying to Julian, #568 of 1826 🔗

They stuck one of their beastly swabs up a two-year-old’s nose?

163253 John P, replying to John P, 3, #569 of 1826 🔗

On the issue of Wednesday’s vote, I noted that there were actually three options available to MPs:

They could vote for the Act
They could vote against the Act

but they could also choose not to vote at all!

The Labour MPs – excepting the six that voted against – did not vote at all.

Notable among the Conservative non-voters was Iain Duncan-Smith, who is a lockdown sceptic, and who in an interview with Talk Radio has called for Gupta and Heneghan to be listened to.

Also not voting was GP Liam Fox. He’s been very quiet!

(Boris, Sunak, Raab and Patel were also non-voters. I don’t know if that was because of their position within the government?)

I think that many of the Tory lockdown rebels scored a spectacular own-goal in the eyes of the public by voting for the Act rather than choosing to abstain or vote against it.

Abstention may have been a better option for them if they were not prepared to vote against it. (Did they fear that Labour would vote against it?)

Although I am very disappointed with the likes of Steve Baker, I am prepared to forgive him if he has now gained leverage with the government and he makes good use of it.

163256 ▶▶ John P, replying to John P, 1, #570 of 1826 🔗
163278 ▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to John P, 5, #571 of 1826 🔗

I suspect that the majority of the public were oblivious to the whole thing!

163734 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to John P, #572 of 1826 🔗

In this case abstentions are the same thing as voting for the extension of the Coronavirus Act. Sorry not impressed MPs!!

163260 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 4, #573 of 1826 🔗

Politicians in this country are quite clearly no longer to be trusted with a ‘first past the post’ system.

I may not be alone in no longer feeling safe from politically motivated persecution in this country.

A first past the post system makes the possibility of that kind of persecution more likely. The calibre of politician that we have now had for some time in this country, with many honourable exceptions (but clearly not enough), makes it still more likely.

Scotland’s militant devolution continues to make a powerful case for constitutional reform.

If any good is to come out of this minor common cold coronavirus debacle, far reaching constitutional reform, electoral reform, maybe a federation along similar lines to Germany, could be it.

The Mayor of Middlesborough has shown us the way forward.

We need so many more like him…….

163355 ▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Tim Bidie, 1, #574 of 1826 🔗

I don’t think first past the post is the problem. When you have proportional representation you actually increase toadyism because MPs can’t be removed by their constituents and therefore can safely ignore them. Instead, the MPs who get thrown under the bus at an election are the ones who don’t do as the party leadership tell them to, because it’s the leadership who decide who gets junked if they lose seats.

163361 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Andrew Fish, #575 of 1826 🔗

I think your analysis makes no sense whatsoever – you describe precisely the situation under ‘first past the post’ and the domination of what has become essentially a single establishment party with two wings.

163357 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #576 of 1826 🔗

There is no magic bullet constitutionally, but you’re right that this country desperately needs democratic constitutional reform. We’ve lived to long with the bullshit fallacies around the ‘Mother of Parliaments’/’Cradle of Democracy’ etc. that disguise an antiquated, rickety system that no longer is fit for purpose – as the events of this year have shown.

One of my criticisms of Labour – and in particular the Blair governments – is that it never took hold of the issue when it could have done so, and genuinely led the country towards democratic renewal, instead of wittering about misleading ideas of ‘modernisation’ – which were nothing of the sort.

163383 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #577 of 1826 🔗

The first step would be to remove the UK parliament from being the decision/law maker for England . There needs to be a devolved England executive as there is in the other three countries of the UK The English assembly would have the same executive powers as their Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish counterparts. The UK parliament would be in a similar position as the federal governments in Australia, Canada, United States and Germany. There’s no conflict with us being a monarchy as Queen Elizabeth is queen of Australia and Canada. What it could mean is that there needs to be a written constitution laying out the different responsibilities for the UK parliament and the regional parliaments.

163609 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to p02099003, #578 of 1826 🔗

Agree. I no longer have any confidence in parliament to conduct itself properly without a legally enforceable written constitution.

They are an absolute disgrace, have been for some time now.

163879 ▶▶▶ kf99, replying to p02099003, #579 of 1826 🔗

Agreed although I would make it England outside London, with say 300 MEngP’s and 300 at the UK level. The London assembly gets executive powers with some MPs becoming MLPs. Note, no new politicians needed.

164612 ▶▶▶▶ Carlo, replying to kf99, #580 of 1826 🔗

Yes London would be like a State in itself.

163590 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to Tim Bidie, #581 of 1826 🔗

The mayor of Middlesborough has now been shown to be a duplicitous toad, who was calling for greater local restrictions days ago.

163605 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to AidanR, 1, #582 of 1826 🔗

References to back that statement up would be greatly appreciated.

163261 chaos, replying to chaos, 14, #583 of 1826 🔗

If everyone stopped wearing masks in shops.. we could throw a stick in their wheel. The worst you get is.. “excuse me Sir/Madam do you have a mask? And you say “exempt”. That’s it. Nothing further happens.

163341 ▶▶ RickH, replying to chaos, 4, #584 of 1826 🔗

You are right, of course – but a hell of a lot of people think its actually a ‘good thing’.

163496 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to chaos, 2, #585 of 1826 🔗

“excuse me Sir/Madam do you have a mask?”

I usually answer the question I’ve been asked. So “No.”.

This usually leads to an offer to provide one. “No thanks”.

Then sometimes, a variant of “But you have to wear one/leave the premises”.

“No, I am exempt” then does the trick.

I’d just like them to put more thought into their initial opening gambit, I suppose.

163585 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to JohnB, #586 of 1826 🔗

I’d settle for that, but what I’d like is something altogether more gory.

163583 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to chaos, 1, #587 of 1826 🔗

Evidently the vast majority of people support masks. Even in shops where there has never been any enforcement or even cajoling, mask wearing is nigh on 100%

163267 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #588 of 1826 🔗

All this talk of imposing a coronavirus vaccine on the population seems very odd. If the vaccine is effective anyone who takes it would be immune. So why would they e concerned that someone else had declined to be vaccinated? The unvaccinated would not pose any threat to the vaccinated. They would only be a risk to themselves.

163277 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Steve Hayes, 5, #589 of 1826 🔗

It’s not about the actual vaccine, it is about controlling the people. Once you have to produce proof of vaccination to be able to participate in society, they have you under their thumb…

163284 ▶▶▶ Charlie Blue, replying to Carrie, #590 of 1826 🔗

I don’t reject that view, Carrie! However, I wonder if they are assuming that it might work (or not work) the same way as flu jabs in that they are much less effective in the elderly and clinically vulnerable populations so their best option is not to be exposed in the first place.

163309 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #591 of 1826 🔗

The justification for compulsion will be exactly that – you are doing it to protect others, same as masks. Pure evil.

163333 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Charlie Blue, 1, #592 of 1826 🔗

their best option is not to be exposed in the first place”

aka doing what comes naturally in ever ‘flu season : be aware and assess your own risk (including whether vaccination is a good idea).

163367 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Charlie Blue, 4, #593 of 1826 🔗

According to Giesecke there is a high likelihood that any vaccine produced in the near future will not actually work on those who are most ‘vulnerable’..

163407 ▶▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Carrie, 1, #594 of 1826 🔗

The flu vaccine has a different formulation for the 65+, it has added adjuvants to try and ensure an increased response from the immune system which changes as we age.

163285 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to Carrie, 1, #595 of 1826 🔗

That is not a motive they are going to admit. They are, therefore, stuck with answering the question in terms of their professed motive.

163291 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Steve Hayes, 6, #596 of 1826 🔗

Covid is a trojan horse for some kind of great faux-green ‘Greta’ reset. And vaccines are a trojan horse for digital ID… it’s not so much a boot on your face forever, but a chip… in other words, they neither want nor need to control this mostly harmless virus.. but they do want everyone to have a digital ID. Think China.

163321 ▶▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to chaos, 4, #597 of 1826 🔗

There is nothing green about the lockdown.
Car traffic and pollution in cities are back to pre-lockdown normal, while public transport continues to be unused.
The rainbow has been culturally appropriated from Greenpeace.
Green parties, like other opposition parties, are forced to meet on Zoom under surveillance, and prevented from engaging with the public.
Vital work to develop nuclear and renewable energy is not getting done.
Government money needed to fund the transition to a low carbon economy is being spaffed away paying people not to work.
Sales, and fuel consumption, of patio heaters will soar.

163336 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, 1, #598 of 1826 🔗

The ‘Green agenda’, ‘Wokeness’ and other issues are issues in their own right, and need to be intelligently debated as such.

The tendency of some here to drag in every hobby horse in the stable just detracts from the matter in hand, and plays straight into the hands of those who want to do the same from the opposite perspective.

163564 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to RickH, 2, #599 of 1826 🔗

whilst i admire your dedication to the lockdown clause, not every reference to “hobby horses” is irrelevant .

Where the point is being made that lockdown is potentially linked to a green reset, and then a rebuttal of that point is made based on the effect lockdown has or has not had, then that is a valid comment so long as it doesnt then stretch into a climate change rant.

Similarly, a comment on BBC propaganda on another subject is relevant if it is highlighting or substantiating the way that BBC and other MSM promote lockdown and fearmongering. I hate the BBC and would accept that i sometimes go off piste (but i feel so much better for doing so – and remember these comments are an outlet and a relief for a lot of frustrated, depressed and angry people)

However i would agree that some of the conspiracy theories may be way out there.

It is just a question of balance.

163326 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to chaos, 1, #600 of 1826 🔗

Unfortunately, you will get branded as a conspiracy theorists until they bring in every one of those things over the next few years. It is blindingly obvious what is coming next to some of us – it is even being openly discussed by the ‘elite’. The media will be used to keep fear high and condition us over the next few months – it will undoubtably be marketed as being for our safety and convenience.

163295 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #601 of 1826 🔗

It’s the same as with other vaccines, there is a small proportion of people genuinely unable to be vaccinated due to serious health problems like issues with their immune system. The argument is that we should all be vaccinated to protect them, as they have no choice.

Still doesn’t justify compulsory vaccination though, as far as I’m concerned.

163374 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #602 of 1826 🔗

That is an argument for so called herd immunity, which they explicitly reject.

163394 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Steve Hayes, #603 of 1826 🔗

But that is what vaccination provides. IIRC This was the big concern when Andrew Wakefield caused a drop in uptake of MMR. It was stated then by the NHS (?) that x% needed to be vaccinated to acquire herd immunity.

163437 ▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Steve Hayes, -1, #604 of 1826 🔗

Herd immunity is a myth.
A theoretical computer model concept developed by epidimiologists, aka computer modelers, on behalf of the vaccine industry, without any medical evidence in practice, aka reality.
See Gatti&Montanari and RKjrs CHD on that.
Only its sofar unquestioned acceptance has laid the groundwork for those mandatory vaccinations and for all ideas concerning vaccinations of people not at significant risk.

If we want to prevent mandatory vaccinations, and thereby what else they have planned, we should focus on attacking and destroying the case for the sheer existence of herd immunity in practice.

163330 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Steve Hayes, 7, #605 of 1826 🔗

You’ve put your finger spot on another aspect of why the government is giving out absolute bullshit, and proof that this is a political, not a health issue, based on :

  1. The need to justify the sunk investment in snake-oil
  2. The desire to enhance control of the population

This isn’t like smallpox in the least, and the nearest parallel is influenza. Influenza vaccination has always been about protection of the individual – not the population. It also is parallel in illustrating the probable low level of efficacy – even assuming a safe vaccine can be found in any reasonable time scale.

163351 ▶▶ Risk Assessment, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #606 of 1826 🔗

If you listen to the latest Bill Nye The Science Guy’s ‘Science Rules’ podcast, there’s a big discussion on the vaccines.


There were comments about how you can still have infectious remnants up your nose hot a while, even after you’ve been vaccinated.
The guest really tries to be pro vaccine and I genuinely tried to be open minded but he didn’t fully convince me.
Vaccines all sound a bit rushed and he also thinks we’ll all have to wear masks for another 12 months because of the infectious remnants mentioned above.

There’s also the almost blind acceptance that we’ll all need vaccinations to travel in the future. Depressing.

163366 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Risk Assessment, 1, #607 of 1826 🔗

Nudge nudge..

163577 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Risk Assessment, 1, #608 of 1826 🔗

BIll Nye’s education is in mechanical engineering. A respectable discipline to be sure, but the way this is elided into ‘the science guy’ is absurd and insulting… people listen to his amateur pronouncements on everything from cosmology to climate change, without realising that his opinion is worth no more than that of Danny down the pub who designs wheel bearings for Jaguar Landrover.

164266 ▶▶ Kristian Short, replying to Steve Hayes, #609 of 1826 🔗

Yes, but the argument will be to protect those who can’t be vaccinated- those who unfortunately happen to be those most at risk from the virus. Obviously this notion negates self ownership but appeals to the emotionally naïve.

Fuck this bollocks.

163279 Cristi.Neagu, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 3, #610 of 1826 🔗

When will the Secretary of State act like a Conservative and stop this arbitrary nanny state socialist approach, which is serving no purpose at all apart from to further collapse the economy and erode our freedoms

When most people these days think “conservative”, they think of the American meaning of the word. Unfortunately, that doesn’t really apply to the UK. While the US has had a very libertarian, capitalistic, individualistic, and freedom based system, the UK has always been a nanny state. The default position in the UK has been that the government (or the crown) grants rights and freedoms, and that there should be good reason for giving out these rights. Contrast that to the US, where rights and freedoms are considered god-given, and the government should have a good reason for limiting them.
The end result is that being conservative in the UK means supporting the nanny state. And the tragic thing is that the alternative to the Conservative party is another supporter of nanny states: Labour. This is why i keep saying that you guys need to find yourself a libertarian party to vote for.

163302 ▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 2, #611 of 1826 🔗

Unfortunately until people abandon the mainstream media which supports what is in effect a 2 party system in England we don’t stand much of a chance. We also need a change from the first past the post method and move to proportional representation so that smaller parties actually stand a chance. As the Conservative and Labour benefit from the current system it will be very hard to change it. There is a Libertarian Party in the UK – just very small.

163303 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cristi.Neagu, 1, #612 of 1826 🔗

Yawn. More wish-fulfilment and confirmation bias.

163399 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cristi.Neagu, #613 of 1826 🔗

Hmmm – Declaration of Rights ?

163280 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 17, #614 of 1826 🔗

Click and collect done, poor girl was struggling for breath.

‘feel free to take it off, get some fresh air’

‘thank you I will’

‘be careful will do you more harm than good’

‘i know, i try and take it off when I’m out the back’

‘it’s ok, I’m not a spy, I won’t tell on you’

‘ha that’s ok, none of us like wearing them’

‘be careful, they’re not healthy’

‘i know, thanks. Have a good day’

This has to stop!!!

163283 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to stefarm, 8, #615 of 1826 🔗

What the HELL is WRONG with people??????

163286 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to stefarm, 2, #616 of 1826 🔗

But the number of cases has dropped like a stone since they came in
It’s like local lockdowns you might like them but Leicester was virus free after a couple of weeks and they are all back to normal now going the football and everything.

163307 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to 6097 Smith W, #617 of 1826 🔗

Link to data?

Spain, France?

163316 ▶▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Julian, 4, #618 of 1826 🔗

erm… I think the ”Leicester was virus free after a couple of weeks” should have confirmed the sarcasm…

163454 ▶▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Major Panic, 2, #619 of 1826 🔗

Oh dear. It’s been a long year. Thanks.

163858 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to stefarm, #620 of 1826 🔗

She shouldn’t be wearing a mask while driving or handling heavy shopping. Consider notifying head office to see if they’ve done a full risk assessment of mask wearing.

163287 A. Contrarian, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #621 of 1826 🔗

This student sounds like a bundle of fun…


Regardless of my wish to follow the guidelines, if students continue to behave as though there is no virus, it is inevitable that our efforts will be in vain. In as rebellious an atmosphere as this, I have no doubt that coronavirus will likely become the new freshers’ flu, caught by each and every student in college. With studies showing that around eighty-per cent of cases in young people are asymptomatic, universities that have not already arranged routine testing of students will undoubtedly see infection rates spiral out of control.

Now I’m not boring, nor particularly sensible, and I miss student club nights just as much as the next person. But it seems reasonable to me that we should rein in our reckless behaviour now, in order to prevent a potentially disastrous second lockdown.

163294 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #622 of 1826 🔗

Around the time I attended university (some 20 years go), several students died from meningitis. A quick look on the news shows it still occasionally happens.

I wonder if Covid-19 will kill as many?

163301 ▶▶▶ chaos, replying to Cicatriz, #623 of 1826 🔗

I got ill at university 20 years ago and never fully recovered.

163313 ▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to chaos, 2, #624 of 1826 🔗

I suspect it is still a far bigger issue than Covid will ever be for that demographic.

163314 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Cicatriz, 2, #625 of 1826 🔗

I saw a girl die from it while doing my practical hospital placement year.
It was awful, but there was no panic,no house arrests and no nudging.

This was Surrey in 89/90: meningitis is a terrifying infection and kills the young,as you’ll know.

163346 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to wendyk, 2, #626 of 1826 🔗

Same happened to my sister in 1987, a 16 year old schoolfriend died of it.

163315 ▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to Cicatriz, 3, #627 of 1826 🔗

I would imagine if a single student dies with ‘Covid-19’ the Universities will probably close until there is a vaccine – the country is that risk adverse and irrational. People should remember quite a few students die each year of many causes including alcohol poisoning and drug overdoses and suicides but one Covid death would send the NUS into melt down.

163389 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Darryl, 2, #628 of 1826 🔗

I’d sooner they would just close and go fully remote, but they’re still desperate for the juicy accomodation revenue.

163579 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Darryl, 2, #629 of 1826 🔗

and if a student commits depression initiated suicide following two weeks of virtual imprisonment after leaving home for the first time , what then? probably nothing will happen… Just collateral damage

163995 ▶▶▶▶▶ Darryl, replying to mjr, #630 of 1826 🔗

If they have tested positive for Covid within the previous 28 days, I think we know how the death will be recorded.

163327 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Cicatriz, 2, #631 of 1826 🔗

From memory, out of a million (roughly the student population) around 20 years of age, in a year about 2 people will die of Covid, about 4 of meningitis and about 100 by suicide.

163340 ▶▶▶▶ Andrew Fish, replying to Richard Pinch, 2, #632 of 1826 🔗

Any numbers on how many will get bumped off by other students who are fed up with their whining?

163365 ▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Richard Pinch, #633 of 1826 🔗

So the amount of attention we give these issues is inversely proportionate to the problem?

163423 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to Cicatriz, 6, #634 of 1826 🔗

As far as students are concerned, yes. In fact, having been a university lecturer and tutor, albeit back in the previous millennium, I would be significantly more concerned about the risk to the mental health of students caused by the quite astonishing restrictions on their social lives than I would be about the risk from Covid. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised to see deaths from meningitis going up, since it’s a serious and fast-acting disease and rapid (and live-saving) treatment often depends on its being recognised by the victim (who is often too ill) but by their friends. Social distancing makes that much less likely.

Frankly, I’d be inclined to say that the balance was in favour of letting students live as normally as possible. Of course, I’m not a vice-chancellor.

163296 ▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #635 of 1826 🔗

Oh dear. Being prevented from having a life is one thing. Voluntarily curtailing it is another.

163308 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #636 of 1826 🔗

Do we know what happened to ‘Andrew’, the ‘Labour supporting’ NQ teacher who was terrified of starting work? Is he ill? Is he dead? Did all the terrified children die too?

163373 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sam Vimes, #637 of 1826 🔗

Oh yes! He was hilarious. Not heard anything since…

163586 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Sam Vimes, #638 of 1826 🔗

probably off sick due to “stress” and managing to complete that little bit of decorating that he couldn’t quite finish off whilst he was “teaching from home”

163334 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to A. Contrarian, #639 of 1826 🔗

But freshers flu is indistinguishable from covid19 due to the low specificity of the covid19 symptoms. Freshers flu is likely caused by EBV, and has a long post viral period

163342 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to A. Contrarian, #640 of 1826 🔗

These people talk about things going out of control as if it will go on indefinitely.

How does a virus go out of control in a halls of residence for example? There is always a natural break point which in this case would be everyone getting infected. I could easily say the virus was in danger of running out of control in my household (2 adults and 1 child) and it was only through my swift actions that I averted catastrophy, which in this case would be all 3 of us becoming infected.

“Out of control” therefore has no real meaning without some sort of context and logical end point.

163400 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Nobody2020, #641 of 1826 🔗

They’ll just say “But there’s no proven immunity without a vaccine cause reinfections!”

163386 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to A. Contrarian, #642 of 1826 🔗

Yep, not particularly sensible.

163391 ▶▶ DRW, replying to A. Contrarian, #643 of 1826 🔗

Smells just like the exec propaganda.

163716 ▶▶ annie, replying to A. Contrarian, -1, #644 of 1826 🔗

Not particularly sensible …
What a hopeless, loathsome little twat.

163297 chaos, replying to chaos, 2, #645 of 1826 🔗

Out of interest, proper tin foil hat on.. are they collecting identifiable DNA when they do these tests?

163310 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to chaos, 4, #646 of 1826 🔗

Yes. They will hold DNA profiles for 6 months and hold it longer if they suspect that there is crime or terrorism involved. So yes they will keep it for a long time.

163382 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to chaos, -3, #647 of 1826 🔗

Yes of course.

Now fuck off with the tinfoil hat nonsense.

163300 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 3, #648 of 1826 🔗

Someone else chipping away legally:


Scroll down and have a look at the clip from JamesD, as well.

163723 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sam Vimes, #649 of 1826 🔗

Great link. This person is work with lawyers to take organisations or doctors to court that refuses you entry/service unless you wear a mask although you have a clear exemption. Please watch her video and contact her if you / someone you know want to take this further.

163304 Ovis, replying to Ovis, 5, #650 of 1826 🔗

I have just received this email from my daughter’s school. So much is wrong with it that I cannot attempt a full analysis. But note:
1) the suggestion that mask exempt adults should register themselves with the school;
2) the instruction that those adults not wearing masks should behave, and be treated differently (more stringently distanced), from those who wear masks. Two-tier treatment. Hail Johnson!

Dear Parents

Further to my previous communication regarding adults wearing masks when dropping and collecting children from school, the Governors and I would like to remind all parents of the importance of doing so, and we ask for your support with this, particularly following recent events and the increasing number of COVID-19 cases nationally.

We appreciate that not everyone is able to wear a mask and ask other parents to respect this; however, it would be helpful, if you are happy to, to let the office know if this is the case so that school is aware. All parents, but particularly those unable to wear a mask should please ensure that social distancing guidelines are followed as far as is possible.

Within school, we have increased the wearing of masks when not teaching or interacting with children. Staff will all be wearing masks when they bring your children out to meet you, as will office and Club staff when there is face-to-face interaction.

Our overwhelming priority is to keep the whole school community safe and healthy, as yours is, and I thank you in advance for your support with this.

Please forward this email onto any adults who drop off/pick your child up.

Kind regards

163319 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Ovis, 4, #651 of 1826 🔗

Crazy fools. Yesterdays comments had some great mask de bunking tips to throw at idiot teachers. Search for country mumkins’s posts and mine in yesterday’s comments.

163344 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Two-Six, #652 of 1826 🔗

Yes, look at yesterday’s thread for advice as to how to handle this! Was it a member here called ‘Country Mumkin’ (?) who was needing advice?

163347 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Carrie, #653 of 1826 🔗


163325 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Ovis, 3, #654 of 1826 🔗

Perhaps you should print out some of my sheep posters and accidentally drop them around the school.

163335 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to Mabel Cow, #655 of 1826 🔗

If I did not suffer, like poor Jess Phillips, from printer poverty, I would.

163403 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Ovis, 1, #656 of 1826 🔗

Send them this from German professor who looked into it very closely, unbiased and sober.
Their German teachers could do something productive and translate it.
Zero scientific evidence for masks being able to reduce infections.

Plenty for their dangerousness though.
In particular for children (3 dead children in Germany now likely due to them (Azidose 2 Alkalose) and when worn for a long time (Spain France…).
School staff mandating this are tbetefore IMO guilty of accessory to murder.

163528 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Ovis, 1, #657 of 1826 🔗

Tell them where to stick it.

163546 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Ovis, #658 of 1826 🔗

A simple ‘How about No?’ should suffice.

163552 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #659 of 1826 🔗

Add this to the response for added impact

163815 ▶▶ Old Normal, replying to Ovis, #660 of 1826 🔗

We got a similar thing from the local council yesterday saying we should wear masks to collect our kids in the playground. The local consensus is to ignore it completely. I can’t see how it’s a good idea to obscure the faces of adults collecting their kids when hundreds of them are coming out at the same time.

163846 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Ovis, 1, #661 of 1826 🔗

From a child protection point of view how can it possibly be safe for masked individuals to pick up children? They are mad. Have they done a full risk assessment on this and does their public liability insurance cover child kidnapping?

163311 BTLnewbie, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #662 of 1826 🔗

Re the effectiveness of masks, this has come across my desk – an effort to debunk the mask sceptics:
Can anyone here with an appropriate background background “debunk the debunkers” – I’m trying to help my sceptical son in a Facebook battle on the ineffectiveness of masks.
He has the badge of pride in that his last FB post had the “beware -this is wrongthink”‘warning.

163331 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to BTLnewbie, 2, #663 of 1826 🔗

You will notice that the argument is no longer about masks but for masks as part of a programme including other measures.

163542 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to BTLnewbie, #664 of 1826 🔗

That guy who penned your article is a fanatical mask advocate. He has some genuine studies that back masks, but, crucially they all fall apart when applied to widespread use in society during an epidemic. At best this is an experiment as the science is not settled. That’s my ‘on the fence view’. I think the evidence is nowhere near good enough to mandate what anyone should wear on their face.

That author took part in this debate and it shows just how fanatical he is. He loses his cool often as he is so convinced he’s right. He’s a philosopher and not a scientist. Contrast that with the measured tone of his opponent in the debate.


Pick whatever you want from that debate to debunk that guy. Its all there.

At best, Masks will only work if:
> we all wear them, kids and all, everywhere all the time, including at home and during sex.
> we change them every hour during the 16 hours you’ll be wearing them
> big punishments for the non believers close to hanging. It’s the only way.

Even then there is no evidence to say it will work. It’s all just one big experiment and woops, you’ve had to hang a few people along th way.

You can not take a study which looked at a small group told to wear masks and apply the results to public policy in such ways. It’s scientists being poor at politics and politicians being poor at science

164366 ▶▶▶ BTLnewbie, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #665 of 1826 🔗

Thanks BeBop, for taking this trouble. Been out all day but will have a good look tomorrow.
I had a quick look at a paper he gave his students insisting on masking and he seemed very hardline – I wonder where he stood on freedoms pre-pandemic.

163840 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to BTLnewbie, #666 of 1826 🔗

Note the government website on masks has 17 bullet points on how to handle masks. Nobody outside an operating theatre does all that stuff so any experiment that doesn’t reflect real life is not much better than junk science.

163318 Nic, replying to Nic, 1, #667 of 1826 🔗

I go on about the vaccine but with all the sheep in this country I hate to say it it might be the only way out.
Hancock is pretty bullish , hes saying suppress until the vaccine I dont think hed say this unless it was nearly ready to go.
It’s been trialled in brazil since june they must know by know if it works.my guess there will be an announcement pretty soon.
Anybody else thinks the same as me?

163323 ▶▶ Mike, replying to Nic, 12, #668 of 1826 🔗

I think at this point in time they could inject the masses with a placebo solution and it wouldn’t make any difference. If so few people are not becoming ill without underlying conditions then it wouldn’t make any difference. Even if they did that at this point in time they could pat themselves on the back for averting thousands of deaths. Bearing in mind the deaths/case rate is completely fabricated anyway..Its snake oil pure and simple.

163378 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Mike, #669 of 1826 🔗

And Jon Rappoport had a good writeup s few days ago on how they can and likely will make a placebo or any vaccine short of an outright mass lethal one a success by manipulating the data, criteria etc..
Which gives me a little hope that they won’t resort to force as they then don’t need to.
A little.

163397 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Mike, #670 of 1826 🔗

Placebo injection “All better now!”. If someone says “But I’ve still developed symptoms”, just lie and say it’s nothing. Like you lied and said it was something. Easy.

163565 ▶▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Mike, #671 of 1826 🔗

The more I look at the biology of this virus the more I think that a truly effective vaccine will be tricky to achieve. But for hapless Hancock and his pals it will be a way out of this with them looking like the great victors. In which case any vaccine will do to buy an end to this and position Hancock as the next PM.

163332 ▶▶ chaos, replying to Nic, 12, #672 of 1826 🔗

Covid is a trojan horse for some kind of great faux-green ‘Greta’ reset. And vaccines are a trojan horse for digital ID… and covid-19 will not be the last virus to come from China. Agree to one, agree to them all… this isn’t about covid. It’s about suirvellance and control and a mad fake green bicycle city reset.

163337 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to chaos, 1, #673 of 1826 🔗

Yes, FDA seems to be onboard with the digital ID: https://steemit.com/covid/@munkle/permanent-injectable-biochip-covid-sensors-near-fda-approval

Bhakdi on Richie Allen talked of the dangers of these RNA vaccines – the transverse myelitis side-effect, that seems to have been very much played down by the MSM, is apparently a *very rare* condition otherwise… and yet 3 people have developed it during trials. Supposedly only super-healthy people participating in the trials as well…

163369 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Carrie, 1, #674 of 1826 🔗

Carrie, are you sure it is 3? There have been 1, possibly 2, in the Oxford vaccine trials. Has there been another case in either Oxford vaccine or one of the other trials (Moderna, Pfizer, J&J)?

163398 ▶▶▶▶ James Bertram, replying to Carrie, 1, #675 of 1826 🔗

Bhakdi said two in the interview. He also said in normal circumstances that there was a 2 in a million chance of getting it. So clearly it’s a problem – another Thalidomide?. Also he was perhaps suggesting that someone in the trial has been taken seriously ill (or died?) as the trial was stopped for 5 days recently – but the media don’t want to ask questions.

163395 ▶▶ Ovis, replying to Nic, 1, #676 of 1826 🔗

No. It does not provide narrative closure. It opens up a new, darker and more unpredictable chapter of the Rona Saga. There are many ways the vaccine could play out, but none of them good, quick or neat.

163338 Country Mumkin, replying to Country Mumkin, 2, #677 of 1826 🔗

People with kids. What do you make of this? Looks like schools will close again.


163352 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #678 of 1826 🔗

Yes, hinted at a lot! Country Mumkin, someone here just now needed advice with schools wanting parents to mask up – you maybe can help? Scroll back a bit on this thread…

163429 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Carrie, #679 of 1826 🔗

Thanks Carrie. I had a scroll but couldn’t see anyone today. Yesterday I had a big conversation about parents masking up, so could have been me. This forum was great support for it. I will update more on the outcome of that next week. Hoping people will not mask-up and that we will not further be pressured to wear.

163360 ▶▶ Olive, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #680 of 1826 🔗

it is still so hokey cokey that sometimes you wonder if it is ever worth trying to keep them actually in school. Some utter horror stories when you read parents’ experiences at #usforthem. Until today I would have said they can’t close them again. But today, when you take a proper look at the extent of local lockdowns and the wacky weird views of many in councils, I am thinking it may be inevitable, especially in run up to Christmas……

163362 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Olive, 4, #681 of 1826 🔗

According to some GPs schools will be closed in November and December…

163438 ▶▶▶ Country Mumkin, replying to Olive, #682 of 1826 🔗

Agree it may well look inevitable. It’s reprehensible.

163475 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Country Mumkin, 1, #683 of 1826 🔗

I expect that because of individual school policies. At the school a mate works at, all pupils, teachers and public facing staff are “encouraged” to get tests if symptomatic. The school must close if within two weeks there are two positive tests from either pupils in separate year groups, or from a pupil and a teacher in contact. Good luck keeping that open come the Winter.

163339 Beowa, replying to Beowa, 6, #684 of 1826 🔗

The idea of forced vaccinations may well violate the Nuremberg Code

The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved, as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that, before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject, there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person, which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.
The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.


163353 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Beowa, 9, #685 of 1826 🔗

Yes, except the Nuremberg Code and Human Rights don’t apply to fascist governments. Who’s going to enforce it?

163370 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Beowa, 4, #686 of 1826 🔗

And so do masks.

163396 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Beowa, 7, #687 of 1826 🔗

They won’t make them mandatory. They’ll just make your life intolerable if you don’t.

163477 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to leggy, 2, #688 of 1826 🔗

… but the Code covers this :

“… should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint …”

Just continue to call out the Ellwood types as the ‘Mengele Brigade’ to situate them where they belong.

163348 Tee Ell, replying to Tee Ell, 16, #689 of 1826 🔗

I wrote to my MP Hilary Benn the other day asking him to vote against renewal of the Coronavirus Act. The response I received was completely unrelated:

T hank you for contacting me about beer duty and support for pubs…

My reply won’t achieve much, but was at least cathartic:

I didn’t contact you about beer duty and support for pubs.

I contacted you to ask Hilary Benn to vote against the Coronavirus Act. It’s too late now, he voted for us to continue to live under a dictatorship, because he has no medical knowledge, no understanding of freedom and no spine.

163393 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Tee Ell, 9, #690 of 1826 🔗

He must be such a disappointment to his father.

163356 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 2, #691 of 1826 🔗

COVID-19 emergency measures and the impending authoritarian pandemic
“Yet, as this Article demonstrates—with diverse examples drawn from across the world—there are unmistakable regressions into authoritarianism in governmental efforts to contain the virus. Despite the unprecedented nature of this challenge, there is no sound justification for systemic erosion of rights-protective democratic ideals and institutions beyond that which is strictly demanded by the exigencies of the pandemic. A Wuhan-inspired all-or-nothing approach to viral containment sets a dangerous precedent for future pandemics and disasters, with the global copycat response indicating an impending ‘pandemic’ of a different sort, that of authoritarianization .”

163473 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 2, #692 of 1826 🔗

What is so depressing is that, even in articles such as this, which I guess we would broadly agree with, we have this phrase :

Despite the unprecedented nature of this challenge ….”

… when we know that this is not ‘unprecedented’ in any way. This is a season of moderately high viral infection. Just like many others.

163372 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 2, #693 of 1826 🔗

Amazon driver just took my photo will I picked the delivery up off the doorstep. Not sure if he was going to take a photo of the package anyway and I just happened to get there but what the F*** is going on?

163375 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Achilles, 5, #694 of 1826 🔗

I see that frequently, I guess they have to prove where they left it and it got delivered.

163595 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Silke David, 1, #695 of 1826 🔗

although if the parcel is left in a visible location and gets nicked in the period between it being left and the recipient coming home, what then happens. That is not a safe delivery . tricky legal position

163376 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Achilles, #696 of 1826 🔗

I think you need to follow that up – could be some new directive. ‘Too much risk’ with customer using a pen so we will photograph them….leads to another facial database…

163379 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Carrie, 3, #697 of 1826 🔗

Well if I get them for breaking GDPR they could be fined 10% of their income which would pay for all the testing and probably the whole NHS for another 5 years.

163412 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Achilles, 1, #698 of 1826 🔗

Just think about the poor delivery driver and the rational explanation before getting to wound up – the simple explanation is also the most likely one. Amazon already has everything they need to know about you.

163424 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnMac, replying to RickH, #699 of 1826 🔗

I had an email telling me the package had arrived, with a photo to prove it. Doesn’t sound like a problem.

163443 ▶▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to RickH, 2, #700 of 1826 🔗

I’m not worried about it but right now in amazons database they have a picture of me that can probably be linked to my name, address and possibly bank details without my permission. I’m not even sure if that is legal.

163385 ▶▶▶ Snake Oil Pussy, replying to Carrie, #701 of 1826 🔗

Wear a mask. And sunglasses.

163388 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Snake Oil Pussy, #702 of 1826 🔗

I was thinking birthday suit.

163390 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Achilles, 3, #703 of 1826 🔗

They’re always taking a pic of the package on the doorstep now. I guess it’s in lieu of a signed proof of delivery. I had a peculiar experience last week where I beat the driver to my door, he then put the parcel on door step and took a picture of it, then picked it up again and handed it to me.

163428 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to leggy, 1, #704 of 1826 🔗

Don’t they need permission to take photos on private land ?

163544 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to Achilles, 2, #705 of 1826 🔗

Many delivery firms now take photos in lieu of getting a signature. In some areas there have been a lot of problems with parcels being left and then being stolen from the doorstep.

163706 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Achilles, #706 of 1826 🔗

Its been happening for quite a while, mostly they only take a photo on the driveway. They have no right to include you in the picture

163707 ▶▶ annie, replying to Achilles, 2, #707 of 1826 🔗

Lots of drivers photograph the parcel in situ as proof it was delivered. Then if the parcel gets nicked before the intended recipient has received it, the delivery man and his firm are covered.

163824 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Achilles, #708 of 1826 🔗

I’ve had that with DPD, though they only photograph the parcel, the dog and my feet. I suppose the dog is on some database somewhere.

163381 TyLean, 6, #709 of 1826 🔗

Sign the Petition to Repeal the Coronavirus Act:

163384 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #710 of 1826 🔗

I may get vaccinated (if there is such a thing against a virus) but only after the bedwetters have tried and tested it out first. You never know they could be dropping in their millions by allowing themselves to be injected with something that hasn’t had long term clinical trials.

163464 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to Smelly Melly, #711 of 1826 🔗

That’s exactly my position. I’ll give it a year.

163507 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Recusant, 4, #712 of 1826 🔗

A year? More like 5

163478 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #713 of 1826 🔗

Especially if it’s a still-experimental mRNA one, I wouldn’t be surprised if we get some deformed babies in the future because of it.

163702 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to DRW, 1, #714 of 1826 🔗

indeed, think thalidomide scandal

163700 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Smelly Melly, 2, #715 of 1826 🔗

Suggest you wait for at least 10 years . This new rNA technology changes the protein synthesis in your cells forever and you don’t know what it is going to change as we are all different. Some might be affected immediately (death or serious response to vaccination) but some others will slowly start to have illnesses building up in them over a long time, think auto immune diseases, cancer etc and you cannot ‘detox’ this out of your body.

163387 tonys, replying to tonys, 23, #716 of 1826 🔗

Why are the politicians getting so agitated about the Scottish Nazi MP travelling on a train with a positive Corona test when presumably she had a mask on for the entire journey? As they all have total faith in the efficacy of face coverage where is the problem?

163422 ▶▶ FlynnQuill, replying to tonys, 11, #717 of 1826 🔗

An excellent point, however the brainless supine sheep of this country will not put two and two together. It’s like banging your head off a brick wall.

Infections have risen and risen (allegedly) since masks were introduced. No one in the media have asked “if masks work Mr Johnson, why are the infection rates sky high?”.

163439 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to FlynnQuill, 5, #718 of 1826 🔗

Same response to the lockdown failiures. “Selfish irresponsible covidiots not wearing them, we need MORE MASKS!”

163445 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to FlynnQuill, 5, #719 of 1826 🔗

Its not just in the UK, the same can be seen worldwide.
Stupid sheeplike enforcement of muzzles leads to more cases, due to higher infections caused by masks breaking up larger moisture molecules and people rebreathing their exhalations thus increasing viral load.
Peru vs Brazil.
Michigan vs N Dakota
UK / Spain vs Sweden.
3 continents – same symptoms, more facist stupidity /maskholes/ Karens results in more cases and more serious infections.

163392 NickR, replying to NickR, 3, #720 of 1826 🔗

This data from the Royal College of Practitioners Surveillance Programme covers GPs with about 5m patients. I’ve pulled out the data for 4 regions, London, South East, South West, North East & Yorkshire.
You have to look at the scale on the left for each one as they vary due to the self-scaling nature of the site: https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZTU5ZDE5MGYtMzUzMy00ZjRmLTg4MGEtMTM3ZGJiZDNhODFkIiwidCI6IjZiOTAyNjkzLTEwNzQtNDBhYS05ZTIxLWQ4OTQ0NmEyZWJiNSIsImMiOjh9
The data looks at how many people consult their GP with possible Covid & other respiratory symptoms.
Interesting how relatively low London is & has been. Also, while the North East/Yorks is as high as during the peak in the spring this isn’t being translated into comparable numbers of hospitalisations and deaths. If infections didn’t keep increasing in spring there doesn’t seem any reason to suppose they will now.

163406 ▶▶ RickH, replying to NickR, #721 of 1826 🔗

A major variable is the brainwashing that leads to people thinking ‘Covid’ – when, in reality, it’s a minor possibility.

163410 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to RickH, 1, #722 of 1826 🔗

Yes, when you look at the data other respiratory causes massively outweigh coronavirus as a cause of illness.

163419 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to NickR, 7, #723 of 1826 🔗

Wow the South West really suffered badly from those millions of tourists flocking down there in August, not. Or did everyone go on holiday to Hull? I guess Armageddon didn’t happen, just like it keeps on not happening.

163440 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Achilles, #724 of 1826 🔗

Shhh! Before they conjour up another Scary Fairy.

163451 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Achilles, 4, #725 of 1826 🔗

I think emerging science might show that Pasties are very good at warding off covids. I think they might find that the covid is attracted to the material inside a pasty, they make a b-line for it but unfotrunately for the covids usually the inside of a pasty is like molten lava and it’s certain death for the covids.

I think this would explain the lack of fatalities in the West country..

163705 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Two-Six, 1, #726 of 1826 🔗

Chicken tikka pasties have to be more lethal than Corona.
Welsh rarebit may have a similar impact. West Wales was heaving with tourists right through the summer, and we’re all absolutely fine.
If course, the visitors may all have caught the lurg from us, or each other, and gone home and died, but I doubt it.

163405 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 6, #727 of 1826 🔗

I went fishing with friends yesterday and afterwards we went to the pub for a meal. There was the usual wearing of masks to enter the pub (except me) and went to the table sat down and the masks came off. This virus is very clever that it can tell if you are sitting or standing. Also nobody bothered with the T & T app and nobody asked if we had logged in.

The wife told me a good story about a keep fit instructor. She has 12 people doing keep fit in the hall, they have to wear a mask to get to their places, but can take them off during exercise, but having to put them back on after.

163420 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Smelly Melly, 7, #728 of 1826 🔗

The slave training is working. Masks are here to stay. I will not be, thank fuck.

163557 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Smelly Melly, #729 of 1826 🔗

We really do need a laughy uptick button/emoji on here!

163408 Steeve, replying to Steeve, 4, #730 of 1826 🔗

Scottish Power

This morning a text came

Thanks for choosing a new tariff with ScotishPower, remember it comes with a smart meter. It’s time to book your install htpp://scottishpower………….

They became my provider in February
So I phone up and find out what is going on as still on my original package – seems it was a ploy to get you to have a smart meter!

163493 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Steeve, 1, #731 of 1826 🔗

Got something similar from British Gas, it is possible to just politely tell them to sod off and they can’t force a smart meter on you if you don’t want (at least for now).

163604 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steeve, 1, #732 of 1826 🔗

Ignore them for long enough and they usually give up.

163409 Sam Vimes, replying to Sam Vimes, 4, #733 of 1826 🔗

We are mostly sensible, adult, reasonable people here. It’s Friday. Just how early can you start drinking?

163413 ▶▶ Chris John, replying to Sam Vimes, #734 of 1826 🔗

If you have to ask you’re not old enough!

163490 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Chris John, #735 of 1826 🔗

Thank you all, for your varied, but always thoughtful and informed comments. I knew this was the place for quality advice. I think I shall take a ‘blended’ approach.

163497 ▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #736 of 1826 🔗

Single malt is better than blended whiskey.

163513 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to bluemoon, #737 of 1826 🔗

Depends which malt or which blend.

I tend to drink single malts, and I reckon they have a wider spread of character, but there are good blends like Monkey Shoulder.

What the f. has this to do with the panicdemic? 🙂

Everything – a judicious application of the malt (not excessive) is a great alternative to popping pills for a restful night’s sleep.

163414 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #738 of 1826 🔗

I didn’t finish drinking until 3.00am this morning, so I will be giving it a rest until 8.00pm this evening.

163432 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #739 of 1826 🔗

I reckon 3pm for my first ‘lunchtime’ beer.

163436 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Sam Vimes, #740 of 1826 🔗

I’d have started already if I didn’t need to give my Mum a lift for her blood test at one.

163441 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #741 of 1826 🔗

I have to stay away from the pop, angry and drunk is for me a very bad combination.

163447 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Sam Vimes, #742 of 1826 🔗

My question is why did you stop?

163458 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Achilles, 2, #743 of 1826 🔗

For fear of arrest, assault, a section order for mental health. The unstopable slide into alcoholism and the corrosion of my liver. That said, my mate is coming round tomorrow night so I might have a few then and hopefully he will look after me. I won’t be going outside either so I should be OK.

163481 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Two-Six, #744 of 1826 🔗

Alcoholism and/or liver issues, that’ll be the next lOnG cOvId symptom

163501 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Sam Vimes, #745 of 1826 🔗

I’d say you’re late already!

163508 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Sam Vimes, #746 of 1826 🔗

I intend to start at about 4 this afternoon, a wee glass of malt with a dash of water.

163697 ▶▶ annie, replying to Sam Vimes, #747 of 1826 🔗

I’m off to open a bottle of Prosecco right this minute. But that isn’t serious drinking, presumably?

163808 ▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to annie, #748 of 1826 🔗

If it fizzes, it doesn’t count.

(Unless driving, then everything counts)

163417 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 1, #749 of 1826 🔗

Offline: Science and the breakdown of trust
 From Lancet’s Horton trying to be in the middle though he is in Project fear with masks and all

163453 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to swedenborg, 2, #750 of 1826 🔗

You know that science is broken when an argument consists of “what you are saying is dangerous” and not addressing the relative merits of an argument.

163457 ▶▶ Recusant, replying to swedenborg, 2, #751 of 1826 🔗

A Journal that publishes the biggest pile of crap paper on Hydroxychloriquine that needed to be retraced within a few days because it was total junk doesn’t get to talk about the breakdown of trust. The Lancet is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

163495 ▶▶ RickH, replying to swedenborg, 5, #752 of 1826 🔗

What a useless wringing of hands from someone who can write utter untruth like this :

“An early consensus about how to manage the spread of the virus has disintegrated …”

What early consensus? There was only a degree of consensus up to the point when real data began to emerge, and it became obvious that the threat had been overestimated.

At that point the doom-mongers could have gradually and sensibly retreated. But they didn’t, and began to create a mostly fictional narrative as post-hoc justification..

163421 Nessimmersion, replying to Nessimmersion, 8, #753 of 1826 🔗

Long Covid:
I have heard that the UK has the highest per cap numbers of long covid in the world.
Long covid primarily occurs to public sector personnel for some strange reason.

I have also heard that all viruses leave some sufferers with a long recovery, i.e. flu, most tropical fevers etc.
It has also been suggested that yuppie flu is the same symptom from earlier Covids/ Corronaviruses.

163426 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Nessimmersion, 4, #754 of 1826 🔗

Even cold viruses can have long-lasting symptoms.

163431 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Nessimmersion, 10, #755 of 1826 🔗

Post viral fatigue happens. Giving it a scary new name is meaningless.

163471 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Liam, 2, #756 of 1826 🔗

Yes a lot of CFS starts with infections like cold or flu virus and leaves you susceptible to getting very run down and wiped out. It’s no joke, but nor is it NEW.

163520 ▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Liam, 1, #757 of 1826 🔗

Yuppie flu?

163448 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Nessimmersion, #758 of 1826 🔗

Do you have any numbers? I’ve been curious as to how serious a problem it really is.

163461 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #759 of 1826 🔗

Did you see the list of symptoms reported on the other day? It ran into the hundreds. It even included “change of stool colour”

163466 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to leggy, 4, #760 of 1826 🔗

Guinness has that effect on me.

163474 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nessimmersion, 3, #762 of 1826 🔗

The most prevalent, dangerous and irreversible symptom of Long Covid is becoming a lifelong zombie/slave/gimp.

163480 ▶▶ helen, replying to Nessimmersion, #763 of 1826 🔗

You mean LIFE long covid don’t you?

163485 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Nessimmersion, 4, #764 of 1826 🔗

My brush with the ‘rona (assumed, not tested) left me feeling like crap for a month, but not a great deal more wretched than flu normally makes me feel. I have had the unfortunate side effect of not being able to taste things any more, but at least I’m saving money on fancy food: it doesn’t matter what you eat when everything tastes the same. 🙂

Perhaps I would have recovered faster if I hadn’t been in a constant state of rage at the government’s stupidity. Or if I could have bought some medicine from the shops instead of staring at empty shelves.

163503 ▶▶ 6097 Smith W, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #765 of 1826 🔗

I have a cure for long Covid and chronic fatigue syndrome and lots of other diseases
It call statutory sick pay once the think about living £98.85 a week they get better in seconds

163608 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #766 of 1826 🔗

cold sores….. herpes simplex HSV1. I started getting them when i was a kid… and i still very occasionally might get one (through viral reactivation), usually when my resistance is low due to some other issue . It’s a virus!!!. it hangs around.

163691 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Nessimmersion, #767 of 1826 🔗

It is just another thing to make people scared.

After serious viral infections your body uses a lot of nutrients and many people with low nutrient levels are then suddenly deficient. Fix that and you fix the so-called long covid.

163430 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 19, #768 of 1826 🔗

Eyes are the windows to the world, and above a mask they look dead, expressionless. My virtue signalling nhs clapping neighbour told me, in the street, that he was wearing one to protect other people, take it off then, I don’t mind, but he wouldn’t. I just told him, he and and his compliant ilk, will be the death of freedom, which politician wouldn’t jump on that bandwagon, a whole of load of compliant muzzle wearers, who cant see the wood for the trees, you can be at work with any number but only at a table for 6, 30 to a funeral, 15 to a wedding. Gullible idiots.

163450 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #769 of 1826 🔗

Sounds like your neighbour will be the kind of person that will be itching to report you to the authorities for the slightest infraction. Handle with care. The undead are not burdened with conscience.

163469 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #770 of 1826 🔗

Says it all!!!!!!!

163479 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #771 of 1826 🔗

You could try a different approach. Next time ask them if they think wearing a mask is enough then reel off all the data. What about all the time they’re not wearing a mask and putting people at risk. In theory they should never take it off and even then the effect is considered minimal therefore they need to be doing more than just wearing a mask.

I could go on and on but I think you get the idea.

163483 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #772 of 1826 🔗

I’ve found data makes no difference. Just tell them they will be wearing their government gimp mask everywhere for the rest of their miserable lives, even after the vaccine, and walk away.

163625 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Dan Clarke, #773 of 1826 🔗

I would simply ask him why he thinks he’s infectious?
If he thinks he’s infectious, is he going to get at test?
If he thinks he’s infectious, why isn’t he self-isolating?

There is so much cognitive dissonance amongst these people that sometime I think my head is going to explode trying unravel their logic.

163433 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 20, #774 of 1826 🔗

Another example of government inspired lunacy.
My wife was shopping at Waitrose in Stourbridge and she had got an old “damaged” “bag for life.”
“I would like to exchange this (see above) for a new one”; “That’s fine” said the checkout bloke, “But you will have to get a new one yourself because the staff are not allowed to touch them to give one to the customer”
“What about the old one?, will you recycle it? ” replied my wife,”
Oh, no, we can’t, you’ll have to recycle it yourself ( see above)
All this after he had handled and scanned the items my wife had handled and put on the track.
Sometimes I can hardly believe myself, these true stories that I and my fellow sceptics report day in and day out.

163444 ▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Fingerache Philip., 11, #775 of 1826 🔗

If Esther Rantzen was still doing That’s Life and giving out Jobsworth awards…

163452 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Nobody2020, 2, #776 of 1826 🔗

Perhaps Esther Rantzen is self isolating because she is in a vulnerable age group

163460 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #777 of 1826 🔗

I’d send her a picture of Boris for the “funny shaped vegetable” feature.

163465 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Achilles, 3, #778 of 1826 🔗

That’s an insult to a “funny shaped vegetable”

163689 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #779 of 1826 🔗

I did start a ‘stupidest Covid story of the week’ spot here a while back, but there were just too many entries.
This Waitrose one deserves an Annie Award, definitely.

163811 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to annie, 1, #780 of 1826 🔗

Thank you, Ann.
All together now: “Truth is stranger than fiction/You couldn’t make it up”

163499 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Fingerache Philip., 5, #781 of 1826 🔗

I keep hearing tales like this. And people just can’t see that it’s the ultimate sign of illogical thinking. In one context it works, yeah, staying safe here boss. But as soon as you apply the particular to the general, it falls away as nonsense.

Just like masks. Saying hamsters in a lab did not get flu when separated by a mask from other flu riddled hamsters is fine. Masks work. But when you take that specific result and apply it in the context of an entire human society, you are just not fit to call yourself a scientist.

163500 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #782 of 1826 🔗


163537 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Fingerache Philip., 6, #783 of 1826 🔗

It’s the same as the girl in charity shop saying she couldn’t take a ten pound note from my wife’s hand,she had to put it in a pot where the girl then picked the money up and put it in the till !,the giving of change was done the same way.

163554 ▶▶ Sue, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #784 of 1826 🔗

or using the same pen/pencil provided to fill in track n trace which has been handled by how many people before you…???
Fortunately, I avoid any of these establishments like the plague to avoid the ridiculousness of it all which just stresses me out and puts me in a bad mood!!

163434 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 27, #785 of 1826 🔗

I know this is obvious, but I am going to ask it anyway.
Here in the dictatorship that is Scotland, until last month & through June & July, there were NO recorded coronavirus deaths, yet now, on the 2nd of October, the death numbers are “rocketing”
Why is this utter bullshit not being called out? Sturgeon is on just now, giving her daily dictator briefing, some countries have been removed from the quarantine list, but “if you arrive back from these countries today/tonight, you still need to quarantine for 14 days?????
Seriously, I am genuinely starting to lose the will to live now.
Nicola is a nothing more than a dictator now, Fuck the SNP, Fuck all the political parties.
Utter slimey cunts the lot of them.

163456 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to AnotherSceptic, 8, #786 of 1826 🔗

We need rid of her

163526 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to wendyk, 5, #787 of 1826 🔗

Yip. & the slimey bastard that is Boris & his goons like Wankcock etc.

163549 ▶▶▶▶ DRW, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #788 of 1826 🔗

Don’t forget the politburo of gulag-Wales.

163684 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to DRW, 2, #789 of 1826 🔗

Into the same bin, quack, quack.

163902 ▶▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to DRW, 1, #790 of 1826 🔗

& them also.

163502 ▶▶ DRW, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #791 of 1826 🔗

Indeed. I’d add the senior civil sewage to that description, eagerly supporting all of their bullshit as probable angling for cushy posts in the planned survelliance bureaucracy.

163527 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #792 of 1826 🔗

So guessing its about control and none of the ‘restrictions’ have ‘worked’

163916 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #793 of 1826 🔗

That’s exactly what it is about now. The führer sturgeon is nothing more than a dictator.
Do as I say etc.
Well, I will do what your fucking twat of an MSP did, despite getting a positive test result for the “virus” she went on the train to London after getting the “positive result”
So, I am going to continue to go about my normal life, see & visit who I want & generally not give a flying fuck what das führer says. Not that I cared anyway, but even more so now.

163459 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 7, #794 of 1826 🔗

Good news:

“NHS becomes the world’s first national health system to commit to become ‘carbon net zero’, backed by clear deliverables and milestones” – 1 October 2020https://www.england.nhs.uk/2020/10/nhs-becomes-the-worlds-national-health-system-to-commit-to-become-carbon-net-zero-backed-by-clear-deliverables-and-milestones/

“The NHS has today adopted a multiyear plan to become the world’s first carbon net zero national health system. The NHS has today adopted a multiyear plan to become the world’s first carbon net zero national health system.”

“NHS chief executive Sir Simon Stevens said : “2020 has been dominated by Covid-19 and is the most pressing health emergency facing us. But undoubtedly climate change poses the most profound long-term threat to the health of the nation.”

Presumably, Sir Simon hasn’t seen the Swiss Doctor charts!

Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, Director General of the World Health Organisation (WHO), said: “Cutting carbon emissions is essential to protect health, everywhere in the world. I welcome the leadership of the largest single health system in the world, the National Health Service in England, in committing to be carbon neutral in its own operations by 2040, and to drive emissions reductions in its suppliers and partners. Health is leading the way to a greener, safer planet.”

One way of achieving net zero by 2040 would be to stop treating patients? Or to have no patients?

163462 ▶▶ Liam, replying to godowneasy, 6, #795 of 1826 🔗

It’s not like a modern health service needs to use electricity or motorised transport after all.

163467 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to godowneasy, 5, #796 of 1826 🔗

The WHO are the de facto government of the UK. So much for taking back control. What a crock of shit.

163470 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to godowneasy, 4, #797 of 1826 🔗

Solar powered ventilators!

So this is why they have smashed the NHS. The closed hospitals, AI bot GP’s, and Zoom consultations are sustainable…

Yer this is all about a virus isn’t it?

163489 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to godowneasy, #798 of 1826 🔗

who’s paying for it?

163494 ▶▶▶ godowneasy, replying to Dan Clarke, #799 of 1826 🔗

You are of course!

163509 ▶▶ Smelly Melly, replying to godowneasy, #800 of 1826 🔗

The NHS has been renamed the CHS.

163539 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to godowneasy, #801 of 1826 🔗

Should we all just stop breathing, to reduce CO2 emissions?

163790 ▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to wendyk, #802 of 1826 🔗

That’s the purpose of the ventilator.

163551 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to godowneasy, 2, #803 of 1826 🔗

There, I corrected it for you

“NHS becomes the world’s first national health system to commit to ‘not see any patients’, backed by clear deliverables and milestones”

163679 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Schrodinger, 2, #804 of 1826 🔗

Do you remember the Yes Minister episode where a hospital won awards for efficiency and hygiene, but had no patients?

163617 ▶▶ mjr, replying to godowneasy, #805 of 1826 🔗

so what of the hospital crematoria.. will they stop using them (all the smoke!)
“ah yes those amputated limbs.. havent decided yet whether to compost them, leave them outside for the urban fox population or just have them plastic coated and use them as interesting mobiles “

163642 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to godowneasy, 2, #806 of 1826 🔗

Utter bullshit science fiction and greenwashing. There is no way this is even remotely possible, without shifting/offsetting carbon emissions to other industries/countries. Think of just the single use plastic increase. This is mostly all manufactured abroad ( China ).

The NHS need to get on with their job of treating all the people they’ve neglected for the last 7 months.

163675 ▶▶ annie, replying to godowneasy, 1, #807 of 1826 🔗

How many non-recyclable, non- biodegradable face nappies do the buggers discard each day?

163463 John P, 10, #808 of 1826 🔗

*humour alert*

Scouse sense on testing from John Bishop:


163486 Dan Clarke, replying to Dan Clarke, 11, #809 of 1826 🔗

Simon Dolan serving legal papers today re restrictions

163685 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Dan Clarke, #810 of 1826 🔗


163487 zacaway, replying to zacaway, 4, #811 of 1826 🔗

Good piece analysing the non-Covid deaths due to lockdown:


We collected data for 32 583 patients with breast cancer, 24 975 with colorectal cancer, 6744 with oesophageal cancer, and 29 305 with lung cancer. Across the three different scenarios, compared with pre-pandemic figures, we estimate a 7·9–9·6% increase in the number of deaths due to breast cancer up to year 5 after diagnosis, corresponding to between 281 (95% CI 266–295) and 344 (329–358) additional deaths.

For colorectal cancer, we estimate 1445 (1392–1591) to 1563 (1534–1592) additional deaths, a 15·3–16·6% increase; for lung cancer, 1235 (1220–1254) to 1372 (1343–1401) additional deaths, a 4·8–5·3% increase; and for oesophageal cancer, 330 (324–335) to 342 (336–348) additional deaths, 5·8–6·0% increase up to 5 years after diagnosis.

163538 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to zacaway, #812 of 1826 🔗


163584 ▶▶▶ Tiberius, replying to wendyk, 1, #813 of 1826 🔗

The politicians know that the broadcast media won’t pick up on this, so they can ignore it.

163606 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Tiberius, #814 of 1826 🔗

Even more shocking but quite believable. They should all be prosecuted for criminal damage, plus a whole lot more.

163491 NorthumbrianNomad, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 22, #815 of 1826 🔗

Pondering Mr Trump… as far as I know he isn’t symptomatic (yet), but to the average BWOVLB (Bed Wetter of very little brain), he’s toast. If, as is overwhelmingly likely, he never gets symptoms or becomes ill and recovers, this will fry their brain circuits. Some will of course cry conspiracy. Others will become very very sad and upset.
Good health to the president.

163492 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 5, #816 of 1826 🔗

It’s distraction, that’s all

163514 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 8, #817 of 1826 🔗

Jenrick, a member of the Cabinet, hopes Trump recovers soon. How can anyone be this stupid/ignorant of the language? Trump has tested positive. He is not ill. He has nothing to recover from? One cannot recover from not being ill.

163543 ▶▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #818 of 1826 🔗

My prayers and thoughts are with the virus.

163523 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 2, #819 of 1826 🔗

Key event is the vice president debate between Kamala Harris and Mike Pence next Thursday. If Biden is elected, you get Harris. If Trump is elected, you ‘might’ get Pence. In two weeks time, Trump will be out of quarantine, and will be over the virus. He will attribute this to having high levels of vitamin D (he spends every weekend outside in the Florida sun playing golf) and recourse to HCQ with zinc. He doesn’t wear a mask, but Melania does (there’s even a video of her advocating use of masks) – shows that masks do not stop you getting the virus from anyone but your nearest and dearest. Also shows they are still very much together as a couple. What happens if Biden now gets the virus ….. ?

163566 ▶▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 8, #820 of 1826 🔗

I never thought I would say this but I’m beginning to think that the re-election of Trump is going to be the saving grace not only of America but the UK and Europe as well. He hasn’t appointed Scot Atlas (an arch virus sceptic if ever there was one!) to his inner circle for his good looks and the cut of his jib.
Having learnt a harsh lesson over the last few years that the mainstream print and broadcast media is all fake news and downright lies, I’ve come to believe that those whom the MSM see as enemies are, in fact, the friends of the majority. The MSM in America is against Trump from morning to night which just goes to show that the chances are that he’s one of the good guys. And besides, let’s be honest, the American MSM supports Biden for President which just goes to show how little credibility they have.

163591 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Harry hopkins, 3, #821 of 1826 🔗

I know, I have been thinking along these lines – and until recently never thought I would in a million years! All my allegiances have changed and it’s very painful. Trump’s previous Dr was on the radio and said that currently he is asymptomatic – let’s hope it continues that way. If this is the case, either the business of false positives may become more widely discussed, or Trump can be vindicated for this attitude to the virus. Only time will tell.

163612 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Harry hopkins, 2, #822 of 1826 🔗

Being enormously cynical, one is fairly sure the bad guys own both sides in any important election. Only the costumes are different.

163658 ▶▶▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to JohnB, 1, #823 of 1826 🔗

I’ve been looking for evidence to the contrary for 50 years. Still not found any.

163788 ▶▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to JohnB, 5, #824 of 1826 🔗

Usually, yes. But I do think Trump is different – even Jimmy Carter said some time ago, something like; no other person would have had the same amount of stuff thrown at him or his family, that Trump has.
My guess is that even people who know Trump well will say he’s a wild card – and even those who may not be at the top of his Christmas card list now, eg. Scaramucci, have said he cannot be bought. Also listen to his speech at Davos a while back: he said plain and simple, the future of the country and planet does not belong to Globalists… make no mistake he is very very dangerous to the establishment.

163560 ▶▶ Nic, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #825 of 1826 🔗

Agree go Donald go!

163574 ▶▶ Mr Dee, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 4, #826 of 1826 🔗

I’m hoping he doesn’t go all Boris on us…

I have this feeling that whoever’s elected president… when you win, you go into this smoky room with the twelve industrialists capitalists scum-fucks who got you in there. And a big guy with a cigar goes: ‘Roll the film.’ And it’s a shot of the Kennedy Assassination from an angle you’ve never seen before. It looks suspiciously off the grassy knoll. Then the screen comes up, and they go to the new president: ‘Any questions?’”

163667 ▶▶▶ AidanR, replying to Mr Dee, 1, #827 of 1826 🔗

I remember first seeing this routine back in the late 80s/early 90s… I was a big fan of Hicks back then, but when I watch his stuff today, I see where a lot of the mad left’s hatred and bigotry actually came from.

163833 ▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to AidanR, #828 of 1826 🔗

Care to identify the bits that led to ‘hatred and bigotry’ ?

163621 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #829 of 1826 🔗

Yeah they will cry conspiracy. The very people who’ve been shouting “conspiracy theorists” some of the worlds great medical experts and scientific minds, as well as anyone who reports their findings.

163731 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #830 of 1826 🔗

he does access to the cupboard full of HCQ

163781 ▶▶ mjr, replying to NorthumbrianNomad, 1, #831 of 1826 🔗

and maybe some will realise that covid is not fatal and will not kill us all .

163505 Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, 3, #832 of 1826 🔗

Three healthy young Brits have been in prison quarantine in Italy for TWO MONTHS and have tested positive seven times.

Nothing wrong with the PCR test then….


163573 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Major Panic, 1, #833 of 1826 🔗

There is a 93 year old woman in a local nursing home who has tested positive 3 times. When first one done, she had a fever but no other symptoms and didn’t go to hospital. So now doubt instead of concluding tests 2 and 3 picked up the fragments of RNA, the home will be saying everyone can get Covid repeatedly. By the way, has anyone heard anything about “repeat infections” recently? To my ears, it appears to have gone quiet

163619 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Jo, #834 of 1826 🔗

I can’t understand why someone, immune after having c19 months ago, would not also test positive (with a very sensitive PCR test) when their newly acquired c19 immunity dispatches the virus with future exposures – our immune system usually fights off diseases internally not externally – I’m no scientist but it just makes sense

163592 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Major Panic, 2, #835 of 1826 🔗

Why on earth are they being kept isolated from one another when they’re all testing positive?

From a mental health perspective I would not be coping with this. It’s terrifying.

163510 Al Pipp, replying to Al Pipp, 6, #836 of 1826 🔗

Have you heard the track n trace app adverts? Basically saying that the app protects you and your loved ones. That is like saying cctv stops you from getting mugged. Just like cctv the track n trace app is retrospective – it will tell you were (past tense) close to a COVID positive person. It takes a good 24hrs plus for test results to confirm positives – and by then you may have “killed” your loved ones.

What the app does is collate information to inform officials about the spread so they can alter lockdown rules. This of course may benefit a community. Just like cctv is used as a deterrant and used to secure more convictions. The app won’t stop you from getting infected.

I wonder if I should complain to the advertising standards body?

163517 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Al Pipp, 2, #837 of 1826 🔗

Yes – yet another of the fallacies (do I mean ‘lies’?) in this whole sorry shit-show.

163773 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Al Pipp, #838 of 1826 🔗

A really nasty piece of emotional blackmail. Implying if you don’t use the app you don’t care for your loved ones.

163511 chaos, replying to chaos, 10, #839 of 1826 🔗

The Guidance expressly states that that persons relying on exemptions “should not be routinely asked to give any written evidence of this.” It also provides that “no person needs to seek advice or request a letter from a medical professional about their reason for not wearing a face covering.” This means that an organisation e.g. work, school or shop does not have any specific authority to challenge or inquire into a particular reason for a decision to not wear a face covering – people should be taken at their word. Where the circumstances for not wearing a mask is linked to a disability asking for production of evidence is likely to be contrary to the Disability Act and Human Rights Act.

163676 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to chaos, 1, #840 of 1826 🔗

Thanks for the reminder.

So tragic, the headmaster at our school said that he will decide whether people have a good enough reason not the wear a mask (exempt). Will have this fight later when there is a need to enter the school buildings

163830 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, #841 of 1826 🔗

One does not, in theory, have to tell the head one’s “reason”.

163758 ▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to chaos, #842 of 1826 🔗

Not totally sure of the current wording of the legislation, but there may be Hate crime issues here too… From what I can recall, there did not used to be formal evidence-based criteria, but the definition of hate crime did include “perception” that someone had done something mean or nasty to you.. hence Amber Rudd a couple of years ago at a Tory conference being questioned under a potential commission of a hate crime, because someone thought she said something nasty in a speech.

163515 godowneasy, replying to godowneasy, 6, #843 of 1826 🔗

Did you know it’s Comrade Hancock’s 42nd birthday today? (bless him).

In a little known clause in the latest Statutory Instrument, citizens who live in areas under extra restrictions will be compelled to stand outside their doors at 8pm and sing “Happy Birthday Dear Matty” 42 times, with a £100,000 fine for those who refuse. Citizens in rule of six areas will be exempted but are advised to do 6 Happy Birthdays to show solidarity.

Anyone on here with a Twitter account who has forgotten to send him a card should post something appropriate on his feed.

163519 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to godowneasy, 8, #844 of 1826 🔗

He wasn’t born, he was created in a mad scientist’s laboratory

163524 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #845 of 1826 🔗

In China?

163529 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #846 of 1826 🔗

That’s just reminded me of Max Zorin in ‘A View to a Kill’!

163535 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #847 of 1826 🔗


163547 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to wendyk, 1, #848 of 1826 🔗

Frankenstein’s creature was a being that was deserving of love and sympathy, meanwhile I doubt if Wankcock’s mother even liked/likes him/it.

163558 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #849 of 1826 🔗

How about Lurch from The Addams family?

Frankenstein did do quite a lot of damage though….

163571 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to wendyk, 1, #850 of 1826 🔗

Not as much damage as Wankcock,Bojo,ect are doing.

163665 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 1, #851 of 1826 🔗

Victor Frankenstein is a long-lived scientist, evidently. And has succeeded in. making something far, far worse than the original monster, which was well-intentioned to begin with.

163782 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to annie, #852 of 1826 🔗

The book is far,far better than Dracula which in my opinion is somewhat of a bore.

163548 ▶▶ Fiat, replying to godowneasy, 2, #853 of 1826 🔗

42? Wasn’t that the answer to an important question?….

163639 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Fiat, 2, #854 of 1826 🔗

The Hitchhancock’s guide to life, the universe and everything, especially legendary cockups.

Perhaps Hancockup would suitable

163760 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to godowneasy, #855 of 1826 🔗

Can we give him a 21 gun salute?

163518 chaos, replying to chaos, 11, #856 of 1826 🔗

Some people, perhaps most people out there just get on with their lives.. covid not really much of a thought.. unless it has wrecked their business or they are in lockdown or they have cancer etc etc… I’ve lived eaten and breathed this scam for months.. I wish I could just be blissfully ignorant like the sheep. It’s easier.

163521 ▶▶ RickH, replying to chaos, 5, #857 of 1826 🔗

Yes. We often insult people who readily comply. But one of the aspects is that its a way of coping with the shit reality.

163600 ▶▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to RickH, 2, #858 of 1826 🔗

I so agree with you, Rick and Chaos. I said this to my husband that I would be much happier if I could just shrug and believe this is all for our own good. My sister for instance is quite happy with it all as she masks up ” just for 30 minutes”, then lectures me about making my self ill for no reason. I can’t just forget what these bastards are doing to this country and the harm they are inflicting on so many.

163530 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to chaos, 7, #859 of 1826 🔗

I would rather be in this position than ignorance. We will be better prepared for the shocks to come, and hopefully better able to adapt, as the full impact of the disastrous Covid policy responses manifest.

163531 ▶▶ AidanR, replying to chaos, 5, #860 of 1826 🔗

Try a happy medium… turn off the news sites, the TV and the radio, listen to an audiobook, go in your garage and turn wood on your lathe… or whatever…

Point is, you can unplug from all this nonsense without also conforming and giving in to the sheeple imperative.

163638 ▶▶▶ Stephanos, replying to AidanR, #861 of 1826 🔗

Good advice AidanR. My escape is to the Classics in Greek and Latin and Patristics in Greek. I do need to brush up my Syriac. Anybody want lessons in Koine Greek??

163756 ▶▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Stephanos, 1, #862 of 1826 🔗

No idea what that is but I’d give it a go. I’ve started doing that Shirley Valentine thing of talking to the wall. The dogs are worried.

163545 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to chaos, 10, #863 of 1826 🔗

Bit difficult to “get on with your life” if you can’t meet family and friends, have to work from home and have to wear a mask.

163572 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to chaos, 3, #864 of 1826 🔗

I’ve been very tempted recently to just give in, wear a mask and shut up. So far I’ve managed to fight the urge…

163580 ▶▶▶ jb12, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #865 of 1826 🔗

Never give in!

163587 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to A. Contrarian, 4, #866 of 1826 🔗

Which would be very sad. If walked past you in the street I would assume that you are one of the mindless herd, deserving of both pity and contempt.

163533 Moomin, replying to Moomin, 16, #867 of 1826 🔗

Might be tiredness after a long work week but I feel really down about it all again today? I just can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel. My faith in Christ as my only true hope is all that’s keeping me going and even that gets shaky. I honestly thought this site would be redundant by now.

163541 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to Moomin, 9, #868 of 1826 🔗

Ah well, some wars are long, some are short. Scepticism is advancing on all fronts, albeit more slowly than we would wish. Lockdownism is in retreat everywhere,

163652 ▶▶ annie, replying to Moomin, 2, #869 of 1826 🔗

Not redundant, but still a strong tower.
God us with us. Jesus Christ us with us. His promises are not vain.
His churches have failed him and his people. We will not. Have faith.

163534 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 9, #870 of 1826 🔗

Coronavirus: Rise in cases ‘may be levelling off’ in England, ONS data suggests

Well, you couldn’t have foreseen that headline could you?

I wonder to what it could be put down?
-the rule of six
-the ten o’clock curfew
-the local lockdowns
-locking up university students
-wearing masks to go to your table in a restaurant?

The list is endless. It was always going to happen though, wasn’t it? Boris told us he hoped things would be back to normal by November at the earliest, in time for Christmas.

163536 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Margaret, 2, #871 of 1826 🔗

BBC will be eager to tell us “How have new restrictions reduced Covid cases?”

163540 ▶▶ Schrodinger, replying to Margaret, 6, #872 of 1826 🔗

Coronavirus Act extended so project fear not needed for another 6 months

163553 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Margaret, 3, #873 of 1826 🔗

And then what, it all rises again in time for the vaccine?

163556 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to Dan Clarke, 1, #874 of 1826 🔗

Probably. it’ll be “Covid vaccine “crucial” to beating third wave”

163567 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Margaret, 1, #875 of 1826 🔗

It can’t be rule of six or local lockdowns because they told us we only needed curfews and locking up university students because rule of six and local lockdowns weren’t working because we’re all too disobedient.

163555 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, #876 of 1826 🔗

MP for Blackpool North and Cleveleys

163563 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #877 of 1826 🔗

Well, not terrible. I’m originally from just up the road from Clevelys, so have a little interest.

However, I’m not convinced that the virus isn’t receding faster than patience. Certainly if we measure anything important like deaths and hospitalisations.

163593 ▶▶ Margaret, replying to Tom Blackburn, 2, #878 of 1826 🔗

“Both the government and local authority officials must “show their working” when justifying the steps they are taking”

Love it! Wasn’t this always drilled into us in maths at school? If we didn’t show how we had worked out a sum, we couldn’t be given credit for it even if the answer was correct. The government really should have shared with us why six is OK but seven is not and why 10 pm is good but 10-02pm is bad, along with the reasoning behind all the other crazy rules and regulations.

163671 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #879 of 1826 🔗

Not good enough Paul Maynard, you are shifting the blame.

163559 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 5, #880 of 1826 🔗
163578 ▶▶ Templeton, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #881 of 1826 🔗

First frame says it all. The way he wriggles out from answering questions.
Worm of a man.

163601 ▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to AnotherSceptic, 2, #882 of 1826 🔗

What an absolute fucking weasel! He either clearly still doesn’t understand the point about false positives or is willfully lying.

163895 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #883 of 1826 🔗

I would say it’s both of your answers, plus I agree, he is indeed a fucking weasel.

163562 Basics, replying to Basics, 15, #884 of 1826 🔗

“I would come to the conclusion that we were sold a false prospectus intentionally… with the scientists being complicit and the politicians softening up the ground for new lockdown measures” – Andrew Neil, BBC’s top political interviewer speaking on #COVID19


Must have been posted already, but just in case.

163575 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Basics, 8, #885 of 1826 🔗

Wow. That’s the most direct allegation of conspiracy from a mainstream journalist I’ve ever seen.

163805 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cicatriz, 1, #886 of 1826 🔗

Yup. Hopefully more to follow.

163634 ▶▶ Jo, replying to Basics, #887 of 1826 🔗

I get a video of Sunetra, rather than Andrew Neil

163637 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Jo, #888 of 1826 🔗

Sorry, it was AN interviewing her, I see. Didn’t know what he looked like until now

163761 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Basics, #889 of 1826 🔗

dont think it has been posted today.. it was posted yesterday but there was also a suggestion that it disappeared as people were watching it and that youtube had taken it down. At least it is now here

163570 Jaguarpig, replying to Jaguarpig, 1, #890 of 1826 🔗

Fuck Ginger and pushy bitch and I would trust posh boy Fox as far as I could throw him.

163660 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Jaguarpig, 2, #891 of 1826 🔗

OK. Deep breaths

163663 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #892 of 1826 🔗

Great advice

163878 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #893 of 1826 🔗

Sorry so mad after I read the piece, but I do think Fox is just a shit actor and a fame whore.

163576 RickH, replying to RickH, 2, #894 of 1826 🔗

Just watching the UK Column.

I’m a bit surprised that they haven’t grasped what went on over the Coronovirus Act in terms of the vote. A bit of a lack of grasp there. The ‘absent’ votes were abstentions. As with the general public, there is no massed opposition, even if there is no direct support.

I’m surprised that they haven’t grasped this basic bit of politics.

163582 ▶▶ chaos, replying to RickH, #895 of 1826 🔗

Maybe when job losses are impossible to ignore more will oppose?

163597 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to chaos, 1, #896 of 1826 🔗

I would hope so. But I’m not over-hopeful. Most MPs are as brainwashed as the general public. Sadly.

163613 ▶▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to RickH, 1, #897 of 1826 🔗

Until it hurts them personally financially or careerwise they won’t be bothered.

163661 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to RickH, #898 of 1826 🔗

I did not read the article. However in this case an abstention was exactly the same as voting to pass the extension of the Coronavirus Act. Unless you vote against it you are part of the problem that condoned it. Stand up against thus tyranny MPs or lose your seat forever.

163804 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Victoria, #899 of 1826 🔗

From what do they know.

As a result of COVID-19, some MPs have been less able to vote in Parliament, and this will be reflected in their voting record.
Show more detail
11th May to 2nd June 2020
All MPs could vote remotely through an online voting tool. Votes cast remotely are shown as normal on the TheyWorkForYou voting record.

2nd to 9th June 2020
The option of online voting was removed, and a number of MPs may have been unable to vote because they were not physically able to attend.

10th June 2020 onwards
The requirements on proxy voting were relaxed, allowing MPs to designate another MP to cast a vote on their behalf.

If an MP votes by proxy, it is effectively exactly the same as if they cast the vote in person and it shows up on their TheyWorkForYou voting record.

MPs are not required to designate a proxy, and may instead pair with an opposing MP to miss a vote. Parliament does not record when two MPs have come to a pairing arrangement, so on TheyWorkForYou, they will both appear to have been absent for the vote.

We will update this information if the situation changes. See more detail on votes during the COVID-19 period here.

163687 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to RickH, 1, #900 of 1826 🔗

They skirted round the real reason – treason as defined in the 1351 and 1841 treason laws.

I sent them an e-mail about it a few weeks ago and to Toby, Simon Dolan and a few others plus to the 24 NO voting MPs yesterday.

Been advised by the College of Policing and Police Federation to report ti to my local police force so think I just might.


163721 ▶▶ Basics, replying to RickH, 1, #901 of 1826 🔗

You are wrong these 300 were not absentions. As UKC went on to explain ‘pairing’ was stopped in 2017. The UKC generously put into question whether pairing has been silently restarted.


The idea that UK Column don’t grasp this basic bit of politics, well..

163848 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to RickH, 1, #902 of 1826 🔗

Our glorious SNP reps abstained en masse;too afraid to defy Holyrood I guess. What a shower.

163581 fran, replying to fran, 2, #903 of 1826 🔗

Article here linking Covid, Gates, Climate Change and WEF ‘Great Reset’ …


163618 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to fran, 2, #904 of 1826 🔗

The use of the future tense here is incorrect. This is unfolding right now.

They’re going to use Covid to make fundamental changes to the existing system, including accelerating privatization (“stakeholder capitalism”), merging governments into a unified global regime, intensifying the elements of social control (via mass electronic surveillance, intrusive contact tracing, security checkpoints, lockdowns, internal passports, biometric IDs etc) and taking whatever steps are required to introduce a tyrannical Brave New World.

There is a more positive take in one of the comments:

Humans will never become the emotionless robots void of vision and empathy that defines them. The more they try to push people down this path the bigger the backlash will be and we are getting very close to that threshold now.

163588 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 7, #905 of 1826 🔗

Good to see Toby talking to Laurence. Reclaim will certainly be able to take votes off the Conservatives but it really needs to establish itself as a populist party that can detach working people from Labour, the latter being a party that no longer represents them unless they are part of a minority favoured by the woke Left. Reclaim also need to be clear in its opposition to the national act of self harm that is lockdownism. It needs to be a party of rationality and optimism.

163599 ▶▶ Julian, replying to OKUK, 9, #906 of 1826 🔗

I know many here will not be keen, but I’ve written to them expressing interest but making clear that they need to focus on ending coronamadness as their first priority, in order to have my support.

163725 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Julian, 1, #907 of 1826 🔗

Agreed. If they don’t take a stand on this issue I will have no interest whatsoever in them. This is way too big an issue to be sitting on the fence on.

163651 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to OKUK, 2, #908 of 1826 🔗

Many of us will be able to help Reclaim get votes in our Constituencies – many ‘homeless’ voters that will never vote for labour or conservatives. Since my MP failed to vote against the extension of the Coronavirus Act his seat is fair game. Lets give them all competition.

It might not be the Re-Set they planned. We can now change the political landscape!!!!

163669 ▶▶ Mark, replying to OKUK, 1, #909 of 1826 🔗

As I’ve noted before, imo the best approach if you are going for an “influence” strategy rather than a longer term seat-winning and government-forming strategy (rather pie in the sky under fptp) is to position the party either right of the “Conservatives” (very easy) or left of Labour (more of a challenge). Ideally there would be two parties (at least), each threatening incumbents in seats for which their lean is appropriate.Fox seems much better suited to standing candidates in naturally conservative seats. We need a figurehead on the left to do the same for Labour seats. There’s no reason why the two should not be in an informal alliance initially, against the coronapanic.

163683 ▶▶ DRW, replying to OKUK, 2, #910 of 1826 🔗

I’m not sure we’ll ever get to vote again at this rate, Twatcock can just delay elections forever with SIs.

163589 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #911 of 1826 🔗

Reading the 1946 Statutory Instruments Act (thinking about putting in a petition to get it repealed) I noticed it says:

4 Statutory Instruments which are required to be laid before Parliament

Where by this Act or any Act passed after the commencement of this Act any statutory instrument is required to be laid before Parliament after being made, a copy of the instrument shall be laid before each House of Parliament and, subject as hereinafter provided, shall be so laid before the instrument comes into operation:

Provided that if it is essential that any such instrument should come into operation before copies thereof can be so laid as aforesaid, the instrument may be made so as to come into operation before it has been so laid; and where any statutory instrument comes into operation before it is laid before Parliament, notification shall forthwith be sent to the Lord Chancellor and to the Speaker of the House of Commons drawing attention to the fact that copies of the instrument have yet to be laid before Parliament and explaining why such copies were not so laid before the instrument came into operation .”

Anyone know if this was ever done?

163656 ▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Awkward Git, #912 of 1826 🔗

They likely do. The announce the measures but a few days then needed for them to be enacted. So you’d think that covers the admin you highlighted

163678 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to BeBopRockSteady, #913 of 1826 🔗

OK, I think petition is in order just for the hell of it.

163594 ChrisDinBristol, replying to ChrisDinBristol, 7, #914 of 1826 🔗

BBC news calling Trumps’ positive tests “diagnoses”. Effing LIARS. They did mention in passing that they are “both well at the moment”, then spent 5-10 mintes telling us how ill they might get. . . Jeez, words fail me!

163622 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to ChrisDinBristol, 6, #915 of 1826 🔗

Your big mistake—if I may say so!—is going anywhere near BBC news.

163752 ▶▶▶ ChrisDinBristol, replying to Harry hopkins, 1, #916 of 1826 🔗

True. . . research can be a painful business. Anyhow, I needed my 2 mintes of hate . . .

163633 ▶▶ DRW, replying to ChrisDinBristol, #917 of 1826 🔗

Top story on Twitter too. MSM/SM are absolutely loving this, you’d think he’d gone down with ebola or something.

163757 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to ChrisDinBristol, 1, #918 of 1826 🔗

Now being reported he has mild symptoms, so that means he’s not ill, as it will be the usual drivel of a cough or tickly throat which are not actually COVID.

163602 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 24, #919 of 1826 🔗

Out and about today, met another couple of free faced with their lanyards in Morrisons.

Had a good natter (with passersby listening in) and we all agreed that we are getting more belligerent, more willing to answer and fight back, complain to companies and so on and getting fed up being treated more and more like pre-war Jews (few oldies eyebrows went up at that, shocked I think to what this country has sunk to).

They never knew about the harma nd psychological harm exemptions so we discuss that, one guy’s wife took her mask (she wore one as she did not want the hassle even with her husband there) off as her glasses kept steaming up – this was “harm” because if she fell over na hurt herself the mask was to blame etc etc.

Asked her “are you happy wearing the mask?” She said “No, I hate it”. I asked “feel apprehensive and so on?” She said “yes”. I said “that’s you now exempt on psychological grounds as well”.

All in all a good chat with other humans.

Also drove past the testing centre at Ryecroft Car Park, Newcastle-Under-Lyme twice today and it was empty except for 2 security guards and a staff member wandering round – no-one queueing for tests that was for sure.

Only thing missing was the tumbleweed blowing through the place it was that deserted.

163704 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #920 of 1826 🔗

Too many people don’t know the rules, too many are too afraid of being seen acting differently.
Add in deliberate bullying and intimidation without any legal basis, and you get where we are.
In Germany, mamy businesses and schools are ignoring even the medical certificates needed to claim exemption.
The latter, without any legal basis or justification, but most parents and teachers- see above.
Headmasters are the worst.

163614 ▶▶ DRW, replying to Steeve, 1, #922 of 1826 🔗

Careful, it spreads covid with all the p and b sounds!

163641 ▶▶ annie, replying to Steeve, 16, #923 of 1826 🔗


Twinkle. twinkle, little Matt,
How we wonder what you’re at.
Dealing death from up on high,
Like an H bomb in the sky,
Twinkle, twinkle, little Matt.
You are such a horrid twat.

163607 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #924 of 1826 🔗

Does anyone have any links to the effects of wearing a mask during pregnancy with regard to the lower oxygen levels?

Checkout girl in here early 20s at B&Q today was pregnant, had no briefings from management on correct masks earring, the exemptions for staff, the signs the mask is making you ill and so on?

I feel a letter to B&Q coming on but would like something to include about the pregnancy issues to give them a hammering.

I’ve read something recently but cannot find it again.

163611 ▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #925 of 1826 🔗
163616 ▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Cicatriz, #926 of 1826 🔗


163640 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Cicatriz, 2, #927 of 1826 🔗

Masks pose a direct threat to the health of the mother and an indirect threat to the unborn child. The most serious threat to both is probably the oxygen depletion caused by having your mouth and nose covered. In addition you will breathe in more carbon dioxide as when you exhale some is trapped in the mask and you rebreath it. These effects have many variables such as general health, age, how long masks are worn and what if any activity is being undertaken.

But if the mother’s oxygen saturation is lowered then so is that of the fetus and here things get frankly frightening. A 2012 Arizona State University shows how oxygen deprivation at birth has been shown to result in long term adverse effects such as birth defects and a higher risk for other diseases such as cancer and cardiovascular problems.

163610 Victoria, #928 of 1826 🔗

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163615 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #929 of 1826 🔗

Saw today an elderly Pakistani gentleman wearing a mask but he had removed the valve thing from the side and there was just a hole.

Asked him why?

His answer – “I can’t breathe otherwise”.

Unbelievable. Or maybe not with the mentality of people today.

163620 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Awkward Git, 2, #930 of 1826 🔗

The valved ones don’t “protect others” anyway. So anyone wearing a valved mask is definitely not doing it “for you”.

163624 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #931 of 1826 🔗

We should encourage more of that kind of thing. Each little act of defiance will add up.

I carry an emergency muzzle in case I have to get in somewhere urgently and don’t have time to argue (e.g. rescue my little calf from hospital or something). It’s one of those silly blue paper ones, but I took some scissors to it and removed the white cotton-wool stuff from the inside. Much better: you can see my mouth through it because it’s practically non-existent, but it meets the legal requirement for a face covering whilst simultaneously taking the obvious piss.

163769 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Awkward Git, 2, #932 of 1826 🔗

Same as smokers who pull down their face nappies to have a “drag”

163627 Basics, replying to Basics, 4, #933 of 1826 🔗

one woman’s woe. Sturgeon is losing control she knows it. We see it. More misery and abject humiliation for her please, can never be enough. Two clips from todays Sturgeon hour, settle back and enjoy. One is 18 glorious secs, the other a little longer gives some delightful bodylanguage.



163648 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Basics, 4, #934 of 1826 🔗

Delicious. Now let’s have Devi Sridhar get caught being naughty and it will be on. It is sad that facts won’t sway the docile masses, but a little bit of hypocrisy will be hard for them to ignore.

163793 ▶▶ Guirme, replying to Basics, 3, #935 of 1826 🔗

I don’t watch Sturgeon’s daily party political broadcast but I enjoyed these clips so much that maybe I should give it a go. The problem I have is that I reaally do hope that she is losing it and so I am not best placed to judge if that is really the case. She does however come over as a very nasty, authoritarian control freak and clearly struggles with anyone daring to disagree with her. I have been out of the country for a month and would like to think that people have been waking up to how truly awful she is. Am I deluding myself or is this what is actually happening?

163843 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Guirme, 2, #936 of 1826 🔗

Many people I speak to think she’s awful,irritating,a petty dictator but they won’t come out in the open, such is the stranglehold which the Nats have.

I’m hoping that this will change in the near future.

164259 ▶▶ GrowYourOwn, replying to Basics, #937 of 1826 🔗

Scroll down the page a bit on the first link and read the caption to the photo of Michael Portillo. Haven’t laughed so much in ages,

163628 mjr, 10, #938 of 1826 🔗

Yesterday had my weekly update email from the council . Last week i sent an email to the council “Research and Intelligence team” questioning some of the info they display (they only link to the full PHE data)

They had replied

“The weekly updates we currently publish use publically available data. The data on cases is published by Public Health England (PHE) on a daily basis at https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ . Therefore the definition of a case is the same as set out in the source data https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/about-data#england
Testing data is not included in the weekly updates as this information is collated by PHE and whilst it is published daily at a national level, comparable data is not currently published at a sub-national level.
Case information is prioritised for publishing in the weekly updates at the moment, rather than hospital admissions, deaths etc. as this is the information used to compare us to other areas and the numbers we need to focus on to prevent a local lockdown.
We regularly review which data is published.”

So i have gone back to them to ask the following since i do not believe the way they extract and display information provides a balanced view

“can you answer me some questions relating to the new email

  • 66 people that have been tested have shown as positive.
  • Does that mean that they are diagnosed with Covid? That would imply they are ill.
  • Are any asymptomatic?
  • Do we know how many are false positives?
  • How many people were in the cohort of tests carried out from which the 66 positive tests were found?
  • you later say that number of “cases” has doubled. What was the corresponding change in the number of tests carried out? It is all very well saying this is the highest total of cases. Is it also the highest number of tests? You do say below that testing data is not included. So how do we know?
  • You say 6 of these 66 positive tests have been admitted to hospital. Have they been admitted specifically because they are ill from covid or have they been admitted due to some other illness (or injury) and just happened to be tested routinely and show a positive.

I hope you can supply some answers. WIthout the relevant details and context some of the statements are meaningless “

163630 Mutineer, 1, #939 of 1826 🔗

Always the same. Cause division. By penalising the sleeping students they’ve caused a division. Now the fol called ‘ring wing thugs’ are being divided by differing views on vaccine.

163632 BeBopRockSteady, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 2, #940 of 1826 🔗

Sheila Fogarty is at it again:

Not wearing a mask on a plane is as bad as lighting a cigarette.


163643 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 4, #941 of 1826 🔗

My breath is bad, but it’s not bad enough to set fire to a plane.

163646 ▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #942 of 1826 🔗

Virtually everyone used to smoke on planes.

163655 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #943 of 1826 🔗

And in pubs.

163668 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Steve Hayes, 10, #944 of 1826 🔗

Look at the panic measure that were temporarily put in place at airports post 9/11 and then see how many have been rolled back almost 20 years later. That’s the “post Covid” future.

163709 ▶▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Leemc23, #945 of 1826 🔗

Tru dat

163694 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Steve Hayes, 4, #946 of 1826 🔗

I’ve just watched the movie Hannah Arendt, where everyone was a chain-smoker.
I, a life-long non-smoker, am coming around to the conclusion that there is a direct positive relationship between the amount of smoking done in a society and its general intelligence level.
We’re doomed.
But oh-so healthy.

163750 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Jay Berger, #947 of 1826 🔗

Smoking certainly helps you focus on am issue or problem with fierce concentration.

163907 ▶▶▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #948 of 1826 🔗

I am an ex smoker,but there are always people saying what idiots smokers are and obviously missing brain cells to do something so harmful. I could argue that all the mask zealots are missing some brain matter if they can’t see the potential harm they can cause. My Dad, a smoker, was a highly intelligent man, it’s a pity he didn’t pass his genes on however!.

163969 ▶▶▶▶▶ The Filthy Engineer, replying to Mrs issedoff, #949 of 1826 🔗

There is also the aspect that a number of medical and scientific types can’t explain away and that is that smokers, for whatever reason, seem to be vastly underrepresented in both hospital admissions and death statistics:

Chris Snowdon over at Velvet Glove Iron Fist https://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2020/08/smoking-and-covid-19-evidence-gets.html

Has a useful post about that leads to other resources.

164126 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to The Filthy Engineer, #950 of 1826 🔗

I read a paper a while back that found smokers with IBS, Chrons and Colitis had less flare ups than those that did not smoke.

Obviously there are downsides but I also wonder it depends what they are smoking?

163744 ▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Steve Hayes, #951 of 1826 🔗

Especially the pilots.

163789 ▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Steve Hayes, 1, #952 of 1826 🔗

When smoking was common on planes, the air was healthier.
As they couldn’t recirclate the air, they had to draw in fresh air all the time, so everybody, smokers and non-smokers alike had less chance of picking up a respiratory illness.
Unintended consequences or predictable surprise?

163791 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 1, #953 of 1826 🔗

If you are exempt from wearing a mask you are exempt. These bullies like SF should stop bullying

163635 Mark, replying to Mark, 5, #954 of 1826 🔗

The self-destructive futility of lockdowns:

How Covid-19 infection rates DOUBLED in most local lockdown areas: Experts blame ‘complex and confusing’ rules for difficulties stamping out regional outbreaks as one in THREE people in England now faces tougher rules

  • From Saturday, 22.4million Brits will be living under some form of local lockdown or tighter distancing rules
  • Ministers justify economically-damaging rules saying they stop virus’s spread, but data suggests otherwise
  • Public Health England rates show infections have doubled in 11 of 16 towns hit with harder-than-average rules

The Daily Mail carries on its sterling work fighting the government’s fear propaganda. Note that these graphs show “infection rates” (presumably test results), not deaths or hospitalisations, so if lockdowns have any effect they should show up immediately in these weekly graphs. If there’s a delay on the graph, any drop that did happen was not due to the lockdown.

163653 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Mark, 3, #955 of 1826 🔗

And yet one third of the population are being subjected to this torture, with presumably many more to follow in the coming weeks.

At what point does the gap between reality and the state narrative become so great that it is unsustainable?

163662 ▶▶▶ Leemc23, replying to Richard O, 1, #956 of 1826 🔗

I guess that if the government manage to let the tramp in our local
Village remain free throughout this “second wave” they can claim it was not a complete lockdown.

163754 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Richard O, 1, #957 of 1826 🔗

About the middle of this month I should think.

163771 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to Richard O, 1, #958 of 1826 🔗

In June when covid deaths fell below flu but the restrictions stayed

163688 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Mark, 4, #959 of 1826 🔗

The stricter the lockdoen, the more infections.
The stricter the mask mandate, the more infections.
The more people vaccinated against the flu and meningococvus (Bergamo) thr more serious Covid illnesses and deaths.
It’s so obvious by now, that that must be the real intention by the powers in charge.
For whatever reason.

163645 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 19, #960 of 1826 🔗

Excellent comment to the Fraser Nelson piece:

I am a career statistician In the biosciences field. When I first looked at how they were making their calculations I was horrified. It is a criminal manipulation of statistics. Don’t get me wrong I am not a Covid denier. I don’t believe Covid is a hoax. But i was suspicious of the intentions. Not of the government because they are acting in good faith without scientific minds; but of Sage and our so called heads of public health.
Perhaps I am speaking out of turn. I guess I didn’t get the memo and the cheque through the post telling me to follow the ‘science’. Then I saw the graph that these two ‘grifters’ produced. Looks like an ‘earnings potential’ from a timeshare in Benidorm. Whitty, Vallance and Hancock should be made to resign. I don’t know the ins and outs of it all but these three are about as true as a nine bob note.
Sage needs to culled and careful considerations need to be made with what to replace it with. In the States they have had a shake up at the CDC and the information now presented seems very different to before. I watch with interest.

163657 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #961 of 1826 🔗

the government …. are acting in good faith “

Nice bit of additional humour there!

163670 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, #962 of 1826 🔗

I wonder how he was tempted while writing “without scientific minds”.

163677 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to RickH, #963 of 1826 🔗

The only way the governments can still be deemed to act in good faith is, if they know something they can’t tell us about yet, because they are trying to prepare for it.
Like an asteroid hitting the Earth soon and them being busy building arks secretly, as in the movie Deep Impact.
There is absolutely no other credible possibility left.

163783 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to RickH, 3, #964 of 1826 🔗

I know many won’t agree on here but I think it’s still a possibility that most of these people think they are doing the right thing (at least at the beginning whereas now there is a good deal of arse-covering going on). Perhaps Ferguson completely believes in his models predictions, perhaps Whitty genuinely fears a second wave, perhaps Sage think they have assessed the risks properly and are open-minded, perhaps Hancock genuinely thinks he has saved lives, perhaps Boris thinks he is Churchill. In the end it doesn’t really matter if it is by design or incompetence, this quorum has utterly failed this country and needs to be dismantled piece by piece.

163803 ▶▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Achilles, #965 of 1826 🔗

Ferguson is a Dunning-Kruger if ever there was one.
Vallance is showing us graphs of how he expects glaxo shares to double each week.
Whitty is suffering from an enormous slice of cognitive dissonance.
Johnson is delegating his thinking to Cummins.
Hancock is just a tosser.
It’s not hard to see how easily they could be manipulated and puppeteered.

163806 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Achilles, 2, #966 of 1826 🔗

You’re right, Achilles.

Belief in rightness/righteousness is one of the biggest killers worldwide – equal, I’m sure to dishonesty, deception and other negative motivations.

It’s always a moot point whether gullible stupidity or intent is the greatest source of evil.

163943 ▶▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to RickH, #967 of 1826 🔗

Self righteousness is a quality which always, but always, ,makes me see red,especially when it spews forth from the Holyrood Dominatrix’s mouth….

163664 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #968 of 1826 🔗

Oops, it was under Ross Clark’s article.

163681 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Cheezilla, #969 of 1826 🔗

Probably written by one of Cummings “throw em under the bus” team!

163654 Leemc23, replying to Leemc23, 4, #970 of 1826 🔗

Just went to get lunch and a drink at our local. Sign now on the door to wear a face covering before daring go enter and the door is now closed ( was always open before ). As I do not wear a face mask I just turned around and went home.

Could not see any sign that my exemption would be valid so did not argue it. But could I have avoided the mask ?

163666 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Leemc23, 4, #971 of 1826 🔗

I guess you could claim that not getting a pint has caused you to have low mood .

The Catch-22 is that after drinking your pint, your mood would be restored and you’d have to put a mask on.

163673 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Leemc23, 2, #972 of 1826 🔗

You’re basically exempt if you want to be: https://www.laworfiction.com/2020/09/face-covering-some-pretend-law/

It is really a question of whether you want the possible hassle, though many here go maskless and rarely report open hostility

163738 ▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Julian, 9, #973 of 1826 🔗

Just back from Sainsburys and for the first time since masks were made “compulsory” I was asked by the member of staff outside if I had a mask. I said, No, and went in. She called after me, so I explained that I was exempt.

They are obviously upping the ante to bring pressure on non wearers, either at the government’s bidding or because the bosses at Sainsburys think this is suddenly a good idea.

163818 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to charleyfarley, 4, #974 of 1826 🔗

I had the same thing yesterday at Tescos. Asked for the 1st time if I had a mask so I just replied I was exempt and that was that. I think the government has definitely been leaning on the supermarkets to do more by way of enforcement.

163968 ▶▶▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #975 of 1826 🔗

Yes, I was asked by a lady in the store if I wanted a mask. Just said “no thanks, I’m fine”.

163741 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Julian, 5, #976 of 1826 🔗

I’ve only been challenged once, in hospital, by another patient, waiting for my lung function test (bronchial challenge spirometry).

I think he will think again next time.

164042 ▶▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Winston Smith, 2, #977 of 1826 🔗

Haha. I had a couple of funny looks in hospital. I actually wore a visor and one patient looked at me enviously, I think she wanted one. Another lady looked daggers at me. It really doesn’t work through a mask. I gave her my best Al Pacino Michael Coreone look and she dropped her gaze first.

164045 ▶▶▶▶ leggy, replying to Winston Smith, #978 of 1826 🔗

Curious – I heard a story recently that someone was refused spirometry in hospital because them blowing as hard as they could posed a risk to the attending nurse!

163718 ▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to Leemc23, 5, #979 of 1826 🔗

I think out of all the idiotic diktats that have come our way, this must be the worst one. You walk into a tiny pub, possibly 10 or 15 feet (you can tell I’m old using feet and not metres)to your table and are supposed to muzzle up. By the time you have fiddled with the damn thing you have already sat down. I have been twice since this came in, no exempt card, got asked once and said ‘exempt’, not challenged any further. I think every body has different experiences with this, but I will not give in and be bullied by virtue signalling nazis.

163784 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Leemc23, 11, #980 of 1826 🔗

NOTE for all: If you are exempt from wearing a mask then you do not have to wear a mask in an establishment. Please do not allow yourself to get bullied into wearing a mask.

However the establishment has the right to refuse you admission BUT by doing so they fall fowl of the disability discrimination act.

163682 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 3, #981 of 1826 🔗
163736 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to wendyk, 4, #982 of 1826 🔗

No sh*t sherlock!

163837 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to JohnB, 1, #983 of 1826 🔗

Yes, who’d have guessed?

163686 Steve Hayes, replying to Steve Hayes, 2, #984 of 1826 🔗

According to LS twenty-six members of the House of Commons voted against the renewal of the Coronavirus Act. However, according to Hansard, only twenty-four voted against. https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2020-09-30/division/8931D5BD-0F83-4E34-9F0F-24AFFB8ED09C/CoronavirusAct2020(ReviewOfTemporaryProvisions) ?outputType=Names

163712 ▶▶▶ Steve Hayes, replying to mattghg, 1, #986 of 1826 🔗

Are you implying that Carmichael and Chamberlain were acting as tellers and that they both voted no, and Hansard failed to record their votes?

163692 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 8, #987 of 1826 🔗

This was served on every MP recently (full text):


Be nice if ti’s true, will keep searching for confirmation.

163774 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Awkward Git, #988 of 1826 🔗

Thanks AG that is great information (just wish websites would refrain from using black backgrounds, close to impossible to read).

163886 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Victoria, #989 of 1826 🔗

Interesting – IBM did some research decades ago, which showed that green or amber on black was the best combination for people’s eyes.

164031 ▶▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to JohnB, #990 of 1826 🔗

That was in the days when you could only get black screens.

164032 ▶▶▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to JohnB, #991 of 1826 🔗

On my tablet I prefer reading black background with white text.

163693 Bill Hickling, replying to Bill Hickling, 1, #992 of 1826 🔗

Can anyone tell me that it is now law that you can be challenged as to your exemption for a face-covering?

163714 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Bill Hickling, 3, #993 of 1826 🔗

I don’t think that has changed at all. It’s ok to ask if you have an exemption (and that definitely seems to be happening more) but they just have to accept it if you say you are exempt and not push any further.

163727 ▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Bill Hickling, 2, #994 of 1826 🔗

I wasn’t challenged in hospital the other day.

163737 ▶▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Thinkaboutit, 2, #995 of 1826 🔗

Julia wasn’t challenged this morning when she went hospital to get some blood taken.

163766 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Bill Hickling, 3, #996 of 1826 🔗

Not it has not changed. However people (including the door guards) think that they have the right. Stand firm, tell them it is none of their business, call the manager and if that fails then write a letter to the company – see law or fiction website for a letter to claim disability discrimination.

163801 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Bill Hickling, 4, #998 of 1826 🔗

I’ve been showing the government PDF on my phone and it hasn’t been questioned the three times I’ve had to use it over the past couple of days.

It pains me to do it because I have no medical reason to be exempt (apart from the fact they don’t help) but needs must.

163810 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Tee Ell, 6, #999 of 1826 🔗

You don’t need a medical reason. If it causes you distress to wear one that is enough.

164026 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Chicot, #1000 of 1826 🔗

I fully agree, but it wouldn’t cause me any distress. I really don’t feel comfortable that it might lead to staff thinking “yeah right”, because that might lead to people having a dimmer view of those who have genuine medical reasons, thus making their lives more stressful.

163850 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Bill Hickling, 3, #1001 of 1826 🔗

Last time I looked (ok, you have to do that every five minutes), there was *nothing* in the law about checking for exemption details or proof. As others here say, the guidance says you shouldn’t be challenged. Police officers have powers if you *refuse*, because then you are breaking the law, but exemption is not refusing.

163696 PaulC, replying to PaulC, #1002 of 1826 🔗

Couldn’t find Sunetra Gupta’s interview with Kay Burley this morning but came across this


163713 ▶▶ Major Panic, replying to PaulC, #1003 of 1826 🔗

it was between 8 and 8:30 i think

163724 ▶▶▶ Major Panic, replying to Major Panic, #1004 of 1826 🔗

08:20 (-6:40 at 15:00)

163765 ▶▶ steve_w, replying to PaulC, 5, #1005 of 1826 🔗

that is an excellent interview and shows why hancock and boris have to go. They believe Ferguson and are following Sridhar. They are wrong and Sunetra Gupta is right. The curve will flatten and they will think this is lockdown rather than saturation. It will fall and they will keep the restrictions like they did after the first peak when the virus had all but disappeared. We will come into the Spring having had a year of lockdowns for zero purpose except economic catastrophe and killing people through neglect

163701 Richard O, replying to Richard O, 1, #1006 of 1826 🔗


Doctors in the West Midlands have been told to plan for a mass coronavirus vaccination scheme from as early as November .

A leaked document identifies two vaccines which are expected to be available this year.

Immunising the entire population could take 10 months and will start with the most vulnerable in care homes.

Mass vaccination sites and mobile facilities are being commissioned as part of as a “fairly massive exercise”.

According to the document, the two vaccines are called Ambush and Triumph .

163708 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Richard O, 18, #1007 of 1826 🔗

Ah, so that’s the real reason that they are reserving NHS hospital capacity: to deal with all the people who will be suffering from the side-effects of the vaccine.

163764 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Mabel Cow, 3, #1008 of 1826 🔗

I doubt it.
The millions doomed thereby will just be told to self-isolate and die at home.

163823 ▶▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Jay Berger, 4, #1009 of 1826 🔗

Jesus, you’re worse than me. 😀 You’re probably right though.

163862 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Mabel Cow, 1, #1010 of 1826 🔗

It will just be Covid-19 on the death certificate. The side effects will probably be lethal in that demographic

163719 ▶▶ Nic, replying to Richard O, 2, #1011 of 1826 🔗

Not picked up in the papers , probably why Hancock is so keen on carrying this crap on he can say I saved you all!

163726 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Nic, 9, #1012 of 1826 🔗

I thought it might be a fake as the font looked different than usual on the BBC website. So I navigated down to it from the BBC home page and there indeed it was. How come this is not national and international headlines already?

AMBUSH and TRIUMPH. Make of these names what you will. I will be drinking very heavily this evening.

163745 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Richard O, 9, #1013 of 1826 🔗

That’s interesting. My latest thought is that the wheels are bound to fall off the wagon by mid-October, when it will be all too obvious that the Two Ronnies’ dodgy graph is propaganda designed to terrify us. It now looks like a race between the vaccine and people finally waking up to what’s going on.

163751 ▶▶▶ Ed Phillips, replying to charleyfarley, #1014 of 1826 🔗

Everyone’s forgotten that graph already. We’re onto the next thing in this peek-a-boo world. (Thanks Neil Postman for that phrase.)

163759 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to charleyfarley, 5, #1015 of 1826 🔗

The Triumph vaccine is expected to be the one developed by Oxford University and AstraZeneca.

The UK population IS the stage three trial for this vaccine. If they are planning to roll it out in November, mass manufacturing must have already started.

Not much time left folks. Buckle up, this is the eye of the storm.

163832 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Richard O, 1, #1016 of 1826 🔗

The Oxford vaccine is the one that causes paralysis right?

163857 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Two-Six, #1017 of 1826 🔗

This was the trial that was briefly halted for these reasons, yes.

163778 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to charleyfarley, 2, #1018 of 1826 🔗

The Chemical Brothers’ graph strayed from reality within the first couple of days. It is way off now and will only get worse. They all need locking up for the safety of the public

163856 ▶▶▶ DRW, replying to charleyfarley, 1, #1019 of 1826 🔗

Well they can just weasel out of by saying “it assumed no interventions”.

163762 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Richard O, #1020 of 1826 🔗

Names them shouting about what they have done?

163767 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard O, 2, #1021 of 1826 🔗

Wouldn’t “ Death” and “ Destruction ” be more appropriate names?

You’d have to be soft in the head to try one of these.

Ooops – the vast majority have had their heads softened.

163785 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to Richard O, #1022 of 1826 🔗

This does very much tie in with the vaccine being announced before the US elections.

So, what are the odds that in two weeks time Trump overcomes COVID to show how strong he is and that you can beat it which he will use to his advantage and push the benefits of HCQ as his symptoms were much reduced, and then a week later he announces a vaccine just in time for everyone to vote.

163794 ▶▶ Jules, replying to Richard O, 1, #1023 of 1826 🔗

So the guinea pigs will be the most vulnerable. Josef Mengele would be proud.

163852 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Jules, #1024 of 1826 🔗

This seems to follow on from the report from the Royal Society released yesterday where it looks like they’re going to vaccinate the over 80’s first, and then do every age group down in 5 year blocks, 75-79, 70-74, 65-69, 60-64, etc, which they estimate they can complete each block in two weeks, which will take around 9-10 months.

164150 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Jules, #1025 of 1826 🔗

Will it be mandatory in care homes, I wonder?

163795 ▶▶ jb12, replying to Richard O, 3, #1026 of 1826 🔗

Still not taking it.

163864 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to Richard O, 2, #1027 of 1826 🔗

I know it’s the least of the issues but the names chosen gives a very clear indication of the mindset involved. These people think they are heroes winning some kind of war.

163870 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Achilles, 1, #1028 of 1826 🔗

They are winning a war, against humanity itself. If this can be pulled off in 2020, given all the information that has already been exposed, I will have to accept that this victory will be thoroughly deserved. Quite simply, we have been completely routed.

163873 ▶▶▶▶ TyLean, replying to Richard O, 1, #1029 of 1826 🔗

WE??…. no…. the fucking idiots…. but indeed, they will have taken us down with them. Cocksuckers.

163887 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to TyLean, 1, #1030 of 1826 🔗

We got our asses kicked good and proper. Heaven knows how this vaccine deployment is going to pan out. Tobias Ellwood’s statements in the Commons on Monday now need to be take very seriously indeed.

164260 ▶▶▶ stevie119, replying to Achilles, #1031 of 1826 🔗

Almost like the shit names off of “The Apprentice”.

163942 ▶▶ mattghg, replying to Richard O, 1, #1032 of 1826 🔗

For someone like me who is at present agnostic between “arse-covering” and “conspiracy” explanations, how this plays out could be a litmus test. I’d have thought that if it’s arse-covering, then as soon as possible after vaccinations begin it’ll be all “right now we’ve defeated the virus, everything can go back to normal”. But if this is only stage one of biosecurity world, then…

163711 crimsonpirate, replying to crimsonpirate, 2, #1033 of 1826 🔗

popped out to do some shopping. Noticed that one convenience store has put the NHS track and trace QR on the door.

163733 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to crimsonpirate, 6, #1034 of 1826 🔗


163829 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to OKUK, #1035 of 1826 🔗

I was gonna say that. Which store?

163772 ▶▶ DavidC, replying to crimsonpirate, 1, #1036 of 1826 🔗

I’m going to start carrying my old Nokia 6110 with me when I’m out…


163963 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to crimsonpirate, #1037 of 1826 🔗

I can’t read QR codes 🙂

163720 wendyk, replying to wendyk, 5, #1038 of 1826 🔗
163753 ▶▶ RickH, replying to wendyk, 2, #1039 of 1826 🔗

Yes – it is a good, balanced piece.

163834 ▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to RickH, 2, #1040 of 1826 🔗

He’s one of my most favoured writers; a good sensible union man , thoroughly committed Brexiteer-and a sceptic I suspect.

163742 annie, replying to annie, 1, #1041 of 1826 🔗

From the Mirror , my italics:

‘The researchers said: “Our data shows that the most commonly experienced early symptoms [of Covid] are actually headache (82%) and fatigue (72%) – and this is the case for all age groups.
“Only 9% of COVID-positive adults aged 18 – 65 didn’t experience headache or fatigue.”
The researchers said: “Our data shows that the most commonly experienced early symptoms are actually headache (82%) and fatigue (72%) – and this is the case for all age groups.
“Only 9% of COVID-positive adults aged 18 – 65 didn’t experience headache or fatigue.”
Despite these high levels, only 1% of people reporting fatigue and/or headache on the app ended up testing positive for Covid.

163776 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to annie, -1, #1042 of 1826 🔗

I’m beginning to think the PCR test generates lots of false negatives as well as false positives.

163786 ▶▶▶ steve_w, replying to OKUK, 8, #1043 of 1826 🔗

almost as if it was never designed for mass screening applications

163792 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to OKUK, #1044 of 1826 🔗

The sensitivity in a controlled lab setting is estimated to be in the range 0.71 – 0.98. Operational (real world) sensitivity has to be lower, so I fully agree.

163819 ▶▶▶▶ OKUK, replying to Tee Ell, 1, #1045 of 1826 🔗

I suspect in controlled lab settings the benchmark Covid cases will be clear “classic” cases whereas in the real world it’s much more difficult to say who “has” Covid.

163797 ▶▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to OKUK, #1046 of 1826 🔗

In Corona, False Alarm? , the authors mention that hospital patients who definitely had COVID-19 would sometime alternate between positive and negative for SARS-CoV-2 when repeatedly tested.

164034 ▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to OKUK, #1047 of 1826 🔗

I have no idea why you’re being downvoted here ha.

164056 ▶▶▶ leggy, replying to OKUK, #1048 of 1826 🔗

It does – many, many more based on my research. But – it’s all relative to the prevalence of the virus. Someone kindly crunched the numbers for me recently as I’m arguing it with my wife who is a geneticist and has performed many PCR tests!

FNR has little effect at this level of prevalence. Here’s an example. Suppose prevalence is 1 in 1000 (that’s conservative, it’s much less that that by all official statistics), FPR rate is 1%. We’ll test 100,000 people, of whom 100 are true positive and 99,900 true negative.

First assume FNR is 1% as well.

100 true positive: 99 test positive, 1 test negative

99,900 true negative: 98,901 test negative, 999 test positive.

Evidential value of a positive test: 99/(99+999) = 9%

Evidential value of a negative test: 98,901/(98,901+1) = 100% near enough

Now assume FNR is 30%

100 true positive: 70 test positive, 30 test negative

99,900 true negative: 98,901 test negative, 999 test positive.

Evidential value of a positive test: 70/(70+999) = 7%

Evidential value of a negative test: 98,901/(98,901+30) = 100% near enough

Finally assume FNR is an absurdly high 99%

100 true positive: 1 test positive, 99 test negative

99,900 true negative: 98,901 test negative, 999 test positive.

Evidential value of a positive test: 1/(1+999) = 0.1%

Evidential value of a negative test: 98,901/(98,901+99) = 100% near enough

So at very low prevalence such as we have at the moment, the FNR simply decreases the evidential value of a positive result, that is, the (already small) probability that a positive test result comes from a true positive sample. The evidential value of a negative test remains very close to 100%. Indeed, suppose we simply declared all results negative. Then 99.9% of all negative test results would still be correct!

163780 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to annie, 4, #1049 of 1826 🔗

It’s a real shame that SARS-CoV-2 is such a mouthful, otherwise it might have been possible for the “news” to help people understand the distinction between (a) testing positive for SARS-CoV-2, and(b) actually having a clinical presentation of the disease, COVID-19. Conflating the two under the banner of COVID has done untold damage to the critical thinking of the nation.

163821 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Mabel Cow, #1050 of 1826 🔗

That sounds sensible. The problem is that the definition of COVID-19 is anything but precise. Here is the official definition. Good luck distinguishing from that between a flu and COVID.

I think step one to achieve the critical thinking of the nation is a better understand ing that in the same way that the tests are imprecise, so is the definition of the disease.

164191 ▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Mabel Cow, #1051 of 1826 🔗

The term COVID19 was picked to SOUND LIKE an insect, a spider, an alien. All part of the psy-op. This word was chosen very carefully. They could have call it anything really.

164193 ▶▶▶ Allan Gay, replying to Mabel Cow, #1052 of 1826 🔗

I’ve started calling it OMG-20.

163820 ▶▶ RickH, replying to annie, 7, #1053 of 1826 🔗

the most commonly experienced early symptoms [of Covid] are actually headache (82%) and fatigue (72%)”

So BBC News is Covid??

163860 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to annie, #1054 of 1826 🔗

Sounds like the symptoms of a couple of bottles of vino to me

163770 Margaret, replying to Margaret, 7, #1055 of 1826 🔗

Andrew Bostom (@andrewbostom) Tweeted:
Just published update from French IHU group shows < 3% of C19 rtPCR “positives” at a cycle threshold (Ct) =35 yield live virus upon culture https://t.co/HXk0A7acRY https://t.co/2eWKtnOzAL

So let’s use a lower number for Ct as Carl Heneghan suggested.

163817 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Margaret, 2, #1056 of 1826 🔗

WHAT!??? And screw the Scary Fairy???

163825 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Margaret, 1, #1057 of 1826 🔗

Same for the NFL.
It went to 30, retests and has no cases.

163779 stewart, replying to stewart, 10, #1058 of 1826 🔗

Argentina has had a lockdown since March. And yet they’ve just supposedly reached 20,000 covid deaths (almost 500 per million).

Surely they have to be the poster child for the utter futility of lockdwns?

163787 ▶▶ jb12, replying to stewart, 10, #1059 of 1826 🔗

Peru is making a pretty good job of it too.

163814 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to jb12, 7, #1060 of 1826 🔗

As has the UK.

163822 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to jb12, 6, #1061 of 1826 🔗

Nicaragua had no lockdown, no masks but a low death rate, and it is surrounded by countries with strict lockdowns, mask mandstes and high death rates.

163977 ▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Jay Berger, #1062 of 1826 🔗

I believe Nicaragua shut their borders, like NZ.
Panama is crazy in restricitions and controlling peoples movement.

163982 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Silke David, #1063 of 1826 🔗

The UK’s going crazy controlling people’s movements.

163854 ▶▶▶ Locked down and out, replying to jb12, 1, #1064 of 1826 🔗

Only behind San Marino in the league table.

163796 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 13, #1065 of 1826 🔗

I stopped worrying about Covid-19. I’m getting my worrying for Covid-24 in early. Already got my toilet rolls.

163900 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Achilles, 2, #1066 of 1826 🔗

Have you built an extension?

163980 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Achilles, #1067 of 1826 🔗

So has everybody else.

163800 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 7, #1068 of 1826 🔗

I’m not a sentimental person but this moved me. The tweet includes pictures of elderly people seeing their families. I don’t understand why anybody would see Sweden as a failure and prefer to be kept in indefinite limbo with no way of knowing when it will end:


The nationwide ban on visits to elderly care homes is now lifted in Sweden. With certain precautions in place, elderly people can now receive visits. Kids keep their distance from elderly people, not from each other.

163813 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Nobody2020, 4, #1069 of 1826 🔗

It is hard to fathom, but for some people the pain of admitting you were wrong/have been had/have wasted your energy is greater than the pain of living a miserable, constrained existence based on lies.

163816 ▶▶▶ Lockdown_Lunacy, replying to Julian, #1070 of 1826 🔗

It’s a strange mindset, but it’s definitely prevalent.

163826 ▶▶▶ Nobody2020, replying to Julian, #1071 of 1826 🔗

It’s got to be at least in part to do with a one dimensional view of what success means and that is zero or as close to zero deaths as possible with no regard to the cost of achieving it.

163828 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Julian, 1, #1072 of 1826 🔗

It’s a good litmus test of the real scientists, however. Science is built on showing that you’re wrong in your preconceptions.

163807 PD, replying to PD, 2, #1073 of 1826 🔗

How can we ensure that Laurence Fox stands in the by-election to replace Margaret Ferrier?

163827 ▶▶ OKUK, replying to PD, 1, #1074 of 1826 🔗

Hmmm….I don’t think that would be first choice!

163855 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to OKUK, 2, #1075 of 1826 🔗

he’s an actor .. he can put on an accent.. pretend he is playing Doctor Finlay

163951 ▶▶ kf99, replying to PD, #1076 of 1826 🔗

Or Neil Oliver?

164016 ▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to kf99, #1077 of 1826 🔗

They’d have conniptions if Neil Oliver stood.

163809 Jay Berger, replying to Jay Berger, 2, #1078 of 1826 🔗


The Zerohedge musings on Gates, WEF and CC remind me of the political situation in Germany in 1933.
Communists (CC zealots) and fascists (WEF&Gates&co) working together against the imperfect and detested established order (Weimar Republic).
I think it’s pretty obvious who will win and who is being used.

163841 ▶▶ zacaway, replying to Jay Berger, #1079 of 1826 🔗

In another historical parallel, modern-day Antifa in the US has a remarkably similar logo to the German Antifaschistische Aktion (Anti-Facists, aka Communists) in 1933:



163869 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Jay Berger, #1080 of 1826 🔗

Yes, Agree. I also thought this was an interesting article on ZeroHedge, from a couple of hours earlier:


163872 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jay Berger, 1, #1081 of 1826 🔗

Fake bad history to suit present prejudice, I’m afraid.

163874 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 1, #1082 of 1826 🔗

P.S. It’s the sort of simple-minded crap that allows the accusation of ‘conspiracy nutters’ through the front door.

Leave it out.

163831 Banjones, replying to Banjones, 4, #1083 of 1826 🔗
163836 ▶▶ wayno, replying to Banjones, 5, #1084 of 1826 🔗

i have signed both of those months ago, still cant believe they haven’t rocketed.

163838 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to wayno, 4, #1085 of 1826 🔗

Sadly, I can believe it.

163842 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Banjones, 1, #1086 of 1826 🔗

can you share links to them on Arsebook and twitter and other SM platforms?

163847 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Two-Six, #1087 of 1826 🔗

That’s a good idea in theory, but unfortunately, the majority on Arsebook are sheeple who blindly follow the government’s stupid advice.

163849 ▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #1088 of 1826 🔗

sure, but will these platforms censor a link to these petitions?

163881 ▶▶▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Two-Six, #1089 of 1826 🔗

They probably will because it doesn’t fit in with the narrative. Like YouTube does now.

163908 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Two-Six, replying to AnotherSceptic, #1090 of 1826 🔗

They might well, I wouldn’t be surprised but do they actually stop these links being posted?

Has anybody managed to share them via SM?

163868 ▶▶▶▶ Mrs issedoff, replying to AnotherSceptic, #1091 of 1826 🔗

Either that, or looking at themselves in a mirror whilst preening and taking a selfie. Yes, I’m an old fart who doesn’t keep up with the times, but that is one thing that I really didn’t miss out on in the 70’s and 80’s.

163839 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 1, #1092 of 1826 🔗

Is the R rate a cause or an effect? The media and epidemiologists imbue it with causal power. I see it more as an effect, reflecting the ability of the virus to spread (huge at the outset for a novel respiratory pathogen) and the willingness of a society to stop normal social interaction.

163865 ▶▶ RickH, replying to OKUK, 1, #1093 of 1826 🔗

It’s just a modeller’s theoretical construct. Fair enough – until it starts to be treated as a concrete entity like a bacterium.

163894 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 1, #1094 of 1826 🔗

P.S. If you want to judge the utility of an ‘R’ number – just think ‘Ferguson’.

You just don’t let theoretical constructs out of their cage without a good dose of Reality vaccine.

I can show you a modellers’ curve that illustrates how years with differential levels of infection tend to balance out over time in the short term. It’s much more in touch with reality than any ‘R’ number that you see quoted.

163896 ▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to RickH, 1, #1095 of 1826 🔗

It’s a number describing a physical phenomenon, like the way in which temperature is a number that describes heat. You might say that temperature was “just a modeller’s theoretical construct” but heat is real: the temperature is telling something about it.

Similarly, the R-value describes the way the virus is spreading. The spread is the real phenomenon, the R number is telling you something important about it.

This is the moment to think about Goodhart’s Law: When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure.

163909 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Richard Pinch, 1, #1096 of 1826 🔗

Oh ye of unquestioning faith.

Your analogy is a good one – and precisely illustrates why the ‘R’ number is nothing like as useful as the measurement of temperature. It incorporates massive areas of supposition- and therefor error.

… leading to a massive divorce from the real world.

I hope I don’t have to tediously list those sources of error – they’re pretty obvious – starting with the concept of ‘infection’ and metrics derived from flawed PCR testing?

164013 ▶▶▶▶▶ Richard Pinch, replying to RickH, 1, #1097 of 1826 🔗

I suspect we’re in violent agreement here. The question is, what are the desired outcomes? Ultimately, they are, I presume, (1) to reduce the number of people falling ill and dying of Covid as far as possible and practical (subject to other competing requirements, which I don’t need to go into here). We achieve (1) by (2) reducing the spread of the virus, as far as necessary and practical. We measure (2) by (3) inferring the value of R from other measures such as number of cases, hospitalisations and deaths. But actually it’s those last three numbers we’re interested in, not R, which is just a useful measure.

For example, suppose we decided to reduce the spread of the virus in the long run by going for herd immunity in the 60% of the population under 60 (not, it should be said, my preferred option). We could do that by spreading the virus as quickly as possible among the under 60s while shielding the over 60s. That would mean a huge value of R for about three weeks, after which it would (we hope) fall dramatically. So R is the number we use to measure whether we’re doing what we want to do.

Making a low value of R everywhere a primary target is tantamount to deciding on a particular strategy, a choice rather than an inevitable law of nature.

It’s like saying that the object of treating a fever is to reduce the patient’s temperature, which is wrong: the object of treating a fever is to reduce the fever, and we decide how well we’re doing that by measuring their temperature. Once we start to mistake measures for targets, were in grave danger of taking perverse actions: the analogy might be treating fevers by putting the patient in ice-cold water.

164536 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Richard Pinch, #1098 of 1826 🔗

How is R calculated by reference to the (unknown) number of people with pre-exisitng immunity? Isn’t there a built in assumption that anyone can catch the virus. Isn’t R dependant upon the size of the vulnerable pool, and therefore essentially meaningless?

163970 ▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to OKUK, #1099 of 1826 🔗

Because they don’t want to acknowledge that the mutations and / or deletions are reducing virulence.

163844 OKUK, replying to OKUK, 1, #1100 of 1826 🔗

Why do we hear so little about mutations given this virus is mutating all the time, according to the science?

163861 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to OKUK, #1101 of 1826 🔗

I don’t think that virus is mutating that fast compared with other viruses. https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-sars-cov-mutating-slowly-good.html

163863 ▶▶ DRW, replying to OKUK, 3, #1102 of 1826 🔗

It might expose how useless vaccines will be?

164159 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to DRW, #1103 of 1826 🔗

On the contrary. They are hoping its like flu, vaccines every year.
That’s what they’re hoping/pushing for.
The pharmas that is. Who can blame them. They’re objective is to make money. They’re not charities.

163853 chris, replying to chris, 5, #1104 of 1826 🔗

Everyone should watch this……history is repeating itself.


2009….WHO reduced threshold needed to declare pandemic
Readymade contracts for billions of vaccines
Unfortunately drug companies lost out.
This time IMF and World Bank have lent our Gov money to ensure peaceful lockdown, panic and demand for vaccine.

Also look up Pandemrix GSK

163889 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to chris, #1105 of 1826 🔗

Just lab rats, arent we

164153 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Dan Clarke, #1106 of 1826 🔗

It’s not a conspiracy, it’s just pharmaceuticals doing sales and marketing, trying to grow their potential market. They are money making business’es, not charities.

163866 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 7, #1107 of 1826 🔗

Just received this email from Tesco – see the clampdown especially the bullying of mask exempt people.

Safety for Everyone

* In our larger stores, we now have colleagues at the entrances to help everyone follow the safety measures we have in place, and to answer any questions.

*Over the coming weeks, you will also start to see a simple ‘traffic light’ system at the entrances of some of our larger stores, to help us manage the flow in and out.

*Hand sanitiser and cleaning stations are available around our stores, and we continue to have social distancing guidelines and signage in place.

*When you visit our stores, please follow the legal guidance on wearing a face covering. If you forget to bring one, we have packs available to buy at the front of our stores, which you can open immediately and pay for with your shopping later. As a reminder, the police are able to issue fines for not wearing a face covering, unless you are exempt.

163880 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Victoria, 9, #1108 of 1826 🔗

Just abandon Tesco – it’ll be no loss to civilisation if they vanish – although I empathise with the employees.

163893 ▶▶ Chicot, replying to Victoria, 4, #1109 of 1826 🔗

Great. So now not only will you have to state you are exempt but you will have to do so in front of a queue of tutting lockdown-zealots. Anyone know what Sainsburys is like now?

163971 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Chicot, 1, #1110 of 1826 🔗

My S/bury’s is fine.

164011 ▶▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to Nick Rose, #1111 of 1826 🔗

Thanks. Might have to switch to Sainsburys then.

163898 ▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Victoria, 3, #1112 of 1826 🔗

Fucking brilliant they will sell you face nappies at least Asda dish them out free. Must say MANSFIELD (oak Tree)Tesco are fine no goons on the door no distancing no barking bastards.

163941 ▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Victoria, 3, #1113 of 1826 🔗

Got it too. Not long now before our sensible, ‘independent’ supermarkets cave in. Still, exempt is exempt.

163955 ▶▶▶ Victoria, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1114 of 1826 🔗

Yes exempt is exempt

163967 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Victoria, 4, #1115 of 1826 🔗

But surely don’t the magic face nappies remove the need for distancing and stupid one way systems ?,the walking dead morons that populate this country this country are never going to wake up,are they ?.

164531 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Victoria, #1116 of 1826 🔗

Went to Sainsburys today and for the first time ever a staff member asked me at the door if I had a mask. I said No and walked in. She called after me so I explained that I was exempt.

They have obviously been told to up the pressure.

Outrageous – but I suppose it’s par for the course.

163867 Jo, replying to Jo, 1, #1117 of 1826 🔗

The CCG covers a population of some 1.3 million people and Mr Jennings said the immunisation programme would be “unprecedented”.
“I understand the target groups will be the over 65s and vulnerable, the 50-64s who have some other feature than their age, and anyone of a BME background over the age of 18, so that’s a pretty massive population for us to be thinking about,” he said.
… Oh well, at 59 and no underlying health conditions, that gives me a few months more life……

163875 ▶▶ Ossettian, replying to Jo, 3, #1118 of 1826 🔗

“at 59 and no underlying health conditions”

Same here. Except for a touch of athletes’ foot. Should I worry?

163882 ▶▶▶ Jo, replying to Ossettian, 3, #1119 of 1826 🔗

I’ve got corns but I’m keeping quiet about it, just in case….

163891 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Ossettian, #1120 of 1826 🔗

Nah, borax will fix it in a couple of days.

163932 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Ossettian, 5, #1121 of 1826 🔗

Athletes foot is Long Covid symptom no. 175 plus or minus.

163964 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Ossettian, #1122 of 1826 🔗

Fifty-four and a hatred of little pricks. Of the needle or Matt Hancock varieties.

163885 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Jo, 3, #1123 of 1826 🔗

73 and with ancillary conditions.

And I wouldn’t touch the under-tested snake oil with a barge pole.

163871 p02099003, 4, #1124 of 1826 🔗

The T&T app is now giving false positives as well https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54389083

163876 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 3, #1125 of 1826 🔗

Vaccine trial FAILURE: Second AstraZeneca COVID-19 volunteer develops rare neurological condition

As COVID-19 vaccine trials continue speeding along, a major pharmaceutical company leading the way is facing heat yet again for subjecting volunteers to these fast-tracked vaccines.

Internal papers from AstraZeneca reveal another victim who has developed a rare and serious condition affecting the nervous system after getting treated with the investigational drug. Of course, AstraZeneca representatives say it’s, “ unlikely to be associated with the vaccine.”

But, this news certainly has many people wondering: how long will these trials continue to be allowed to go on?



163884 ▶▶ Victoria, replying to Victoria, 2, #1126 of 1826 🔗

Participants in two leading coronavirus vaccine trials told CNBC that they are experiencing high fever, body aches, bad headaches, day-long exhaustion , and other symptoms after receiving the shots.

Luke Hutchison, a 44-year-old computational biologist in Utah, said he was bed-bound with a fever of over 101, shakes, chills, a pounding headache, and shortness of breath after receiving his second dose in Moderna’s phase three trial. Another participant, testing Pfizer’s candidate, similarly woke up with chills, shaking so hard he cracked a tooth after taking the second dose.


163892 ▶▶▶ Jaguarpig, replying to Victoria, 3, #1127 of 1826 🔗

Will be rolling my sleeve up for a shot that NOT

163945 ▶▶▶ Saved To Death, replying to Victoria, 1, #1128 of 1826 🔗

I like the caption on the image on the CNBC article. It says “Luke Hutchison said he signed up to a coronavirus vaccine trial because he’s “pro science”” and then there is an image of him standing in an open space with a rag wrapped around his face. Looks more like he is pro following stupid orders to me.

164145 ▶▶▶ stewart, replying to Victoria, #1129 of 1826 🔗

Who are these kamikazees volunteering to try out the vaccines?

163899 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Victoria, #1130 of 1826 🔗

Just as well this vaccine is being rolled out starting in NOVEMBER then.


164089 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Victoria, #1131 of 1826 🔗

I listened to Bhakdi on Richie Allen; he said that transverse myelitis is otherwise an *extremely* rare condition, so the chances of several (supposedly healthy) people contracting it in a short space of time means it is most likely vaccine-related.

The MSM have quoted the side-effect as being transverse myelitis, but *not* mentioned that it is otherwise very rare; gives the impression that it might be a common condition – which it is NOT!

163877 JohnB, replying to JohnB, 8, #1132 of 1826 🔗

The MSM favourite scaring tool, the R rate, is being reported yet again as it’s supposedly gone up to between 1.3-1.6. Yesterday we were told it had gone done to 1.1 from 1.7. What a useless way to measure the virus.

To cut an old phrase it’s “up and down more than a whore’s drawers”.

163890 ▶▶ RickH, replying to JohnB, 6, #1133 of 1826 🔗

aka ‘Total Bollocks’

163897 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to RickH, 1, #1134 of 1826 🔗


163947 ▶▶ Achilles, replying to JohnB, #1135 of 1826 🔗

Let’s face it no-one has the faintest idea what it is at any given time, even the “experts”. Not to any meaningful level of accuracy anyway.

163883 CGL, replying to CGL, 11, #1136 of 1826 🔗

For Wendyk:
Reply from the school re water:

“Yes, that is correct, at present unfortunately there is nowhere for students to access clean drinking water at school. We are actively trying to find a solution to this issue.”

My reply

Thank you for your reply.
I think that as this is illegal, it should be a top priority.”

163930 ▶▶ annie, replying to CGL, 3, #1137 of 1826 🔗


  • The 1989 Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC) has Article 24 that provides that “parties recognize the right of the child to the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of health and to facilities for the treatment of illness and rehabilitation of health … 2. States parties shall pursue full implementation of this right and, in particular, shall take appropriate measures… (c) To combat disease and malnutrition, including within the framework of primary health care, through, inter alia… the provision of adequate nutritious foods and clean drinking water… “. [16]
163933 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to CGL, 7, #1138 of 1826 🔗

Good to hear from you CGL.

What an absolute disgrace!

Can I suggest that you too, as a very concerned parent, write to Sir Desmond Swayne as well?

He replied to my email promptly and has promised to’ keep at it’.

He has the self assurance to nail this bunch of criminals and is one of the most committed opponents.


163940 ▶▶▶ HaylingDave, replying to wendyk, 5, #1139 of 1826 🔗

I also got a similar reply from Sir Desmond this morning after I thanked him for NOT dropping his trousers and bending over on Wednesday (well, I put it slightly differently).

I want to move to the New Forest.

163948 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to HaylingDave, 2, #1140 of 1826 🔗

He’s proving to be something of a man of stature; unusual for me to write such a thing, especially in these cynical times.

Good on him!

163888 Victoria, replying to Victoria, 1, #1141 of 1826 🔗

Sweden, Pennsylvania, South Dakota & Demark Against The Narrative

What is interesting to study are the countries and states that have not followed in lock-step with lockdowns and mask-wearing. A Federal Judge recently ruled Pennsylvania Governor’s shutdown orders are unconstitutional! This strikes down Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf’s virus restrictions that required people to stay at home, put limits on gatherings, and ordered “non-life-sustaining” businesses to remain shut down.

One can only imagine, at least in the United States, that there will eventually be a wave of lawsuits since politicians and public health officials do not have immunity like the pharmaceutical companies that make vaccines do . Entire societies are “being played” by those in power. Health officials need to keep the fear factor going for that is all they have going for them as death rates plummet even though infection rates are going up as they test more and more people. What they do not want us to dwell on is the success of countries like Sweden, who controlled the virus without all the lockdown violence health officials have been advocating.


163906 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Victoria, 5, #1142 of 1826 🔗

Not only lawsuits regarding the vaccine, which may or may not (probably the latter) prove effective, but also lawsuits for lockdowns, lawsuits for lost businesses, lawsuits for employment unnecessarily lost, lawsuits for lost education, lawsuits for medical complications arising from shutting down access to healthcare… and probably for a whole host of things I haven’t even considered.

Buy popcorn, enjoy.

164063 ▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1143 of 1826 🔗

Got contacts in the US,- some time ago there was speculation that there would be HcQ-related lawsuits, they had at least one quite high profile Dr (with either Harvard or Yale connections) saying widespread use could well have saved min. 75,000 lives, probably substantially more…as you say, every chance lawyers are looking at every angle right now. Lawyers take their time, but if they see a jugular someone will go for it!

163901 DRW, replying to DRW, 4, #1144 of 1826 🔗

Another tinfoil hat comment here, but is anyone else suspicious that the mass dodgy vaccine rollout expected next Spring coincides with the next census? From HMG’s perspective, that mass data gathering excercise is too good to waste considering they want digital IDs for all.

163903 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to DRW, 1, #1145 of 1826 🔗

I know somebody who won’t be filling out the census, either!

163911 ▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1146 of 1826 🔗

Well quite Nick. What is up with people, that they feel the government needs to know how many toilets they have ?

163918 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to JohnB, 2, #1147 of 1826 🔗

More because I’ve withdrawn all cooperation with the authorities. On anything.

163904 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to DRW, 1, #1148 of 1826 🔗

Sorry to repeat my post multiple times. It’s starting in November. That’s one month from now.


164081 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, #1149 of 1826 🔗

Before anyone has time to get a court case going to stop them?
Cases are dropping, hence the urgency…

It will be too late once people have been jabbed, you can’t ‘un-jab’ someone…

163905 ▶▶ JohnB, replying to DRW, #1150 of 1826 🔗

Surely to fuck nobody fills those things in ? My dogs love ’em …

163914 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to DRW, #1151 of 1826 🔗

Lockheed Martin managed the data gathering of the last census.

163915 ▶▶ RickH, replying to DRW, -2, #1152 of 1826 🔗

No. It is a tin-foil hat idea.

There’s plenty of real stuff to worry about.

163956 ▶▶ Sue, replying to DRW, #1153 of 1826 🔗

i heard way back that they weren’t doing census any longer – or maybe the next one will be the final one? Not sure but google might!

163992 ▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to DRW, #1154 of 1826 🔗

will there be a box labelled zombie?

164077 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to DRW, #1155 of 1826 🔗

I’m more worried that the army might be used to enforce vaccination on the people of Birmingham.. The coronavirus act allows people to be removed from their homes if it is thought they might be infectious… They might try to get round that by just claiming that anyone might be infectious due to increased cases in the area..

Call me paranoid, but at this stage I would not put anything past them..

And they have already said they won’t rule out making the vaccination mandatory. If enough people refuse in Birmingham, they might just say, ok, it is mandatory now…

163910 mjr, replying to mjr, 53, #1156 of 1826 🔗

Leeds bar bans MPs because of curfew
Mojo Bar, in Merrion Street, is calling for the hospitality industry including pubs and restaurants to put “all members of parliament on notice” as part of the Cancel The Curfew campaign, saying “You won’t serve us, so we won’t serve you!”


163928 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to mjr, 7, #1157 of 1826 🔗

Big fan of that!

163949 ▶▶ Harry hopkins, replying to mjr, 15, #1158 of 1826 🔗

Great stuff! Just this very morning I sent my local Leeds MP—Alex Sobel— this E-mail (via his assistant as he didn’t have the courtesy to reply to two mails sent over the last couple of weeks).

Dear Natalie,

I note that Alex did not vote against the Coronovirus act on Wednesday gone. This is it for me I’m afraid, not only will I not be voting for him again but speaking as a life long Labour voter the Labour party will never again get my vote.
We are gradually losing our freedoms and becoming some sort of Quazi Fascist state. I cannot put into words how disappointed I am in the performance of the Labour party in resisting this terrible move that is in the process of destroying Britain as we know it.

Harry Hopkins

163976 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to mjr, 5, #1159 of 1826 🔗

Wouldn’t it be superb if this could be extended to every service provider? Suddenly the MPs find that nobody will sell them anything.

164198 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to mjr, 1, #1160 of 1826 🔗

I doubt if any of the five Leeds MPs ever frequent a pub/bar

164359 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to arfurmo, 1, #1161 of 1826 🔗

you’ve got that skid mark Burgon . he couldnt even find one.

163912 Stephanos, replying to Stephanos, 5, #1162 of 1826 🔗

Some words from ‘the Two Towers’, Chapter V, The White Rider:
‘We meet again. At the turn of the tide. The great storm is coming, but the tide has turned.’

163925 ▶▶ annie, replying to Stephanos, #1163 of 1826 🔗

If only we had a Gandalf!
But we will weather this storm.

163988 ▶▶▶ crimsonpirate, replying to annie, 3, #1164 of 1826 🔗

I suppose I could pop in the Grapes in Limehouse and ask if he is available

163913 Nick Rose, replying to Nick Rose, 1, #1165 of 1826 🔗

Casual question. Has anybody bothered to read the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984?

163917 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Nick Rose, 5, #1166 of 1826 🔗

I have, a lots of it. Loads of fun.

163922 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Two-Six, 5, #1167 of 1826 🔗

Is Sumption correct? Does it only refer to diseased persons, rather than the healthy, when it comes to isolating and quarantining?

163926 ▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Nick Rose, #1168 of 1826 🔗

He couldn’t be wrong surely?

163950 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Nick Rose, 2, #1169 of 1826 🔗

Yes, From the 1984 act latest version
Part II Sections 32-38 apply
Power to order health measures in relation to persons
A justice of the peace may make an order under subsection (2) in relation to a person (“P”) if the justice is satisfied that—

P is or may be infected or contaminated,

the infection or contamination is one which presents or could present significant harm to human health,

there is a risk that P might infect or contaminate others, and

it is necessary to make the order in order to remove or reduce that risk.

The order may impose on or in relation to P one or more of the following restrictions or requirements—

that P submit to medical examination;

that P be removed to a hospital or other suitable establishment;

that P be detained in a hospital or other suitable establishment;

that P be kept in isolation or quarantine;

that P be disinfected or decontaminated;

that P wear protective clothing;

that P provide information or answer questions about P’s health or other circumstances;

that P’s health be monitored and the results reported;

that P attend training or advice sessions on how to reduce the risk of infecting or contaminating others;

that P be subject to restrictions on where P goes or with whom P has contact;

that P abstain from working or trading.

A justice of the peace may make an order under subsection (4) in relation to a person (“P”) if the justice is satisfied that—

P is or may be infected or contaminated,

the infection or contamination is one which presents or could present significant harm to human health,

there is a risk that a related party might infect or contaminate others, and

it is necessary to make the order in order to remove or reduce that risk.

The order may impose on or in relation to P a requirement that P provide information or answer questions about P’s health or other circumstances (including, in particular, information or questions about the identity of a related party).

“ Related party ” means—

a person who has or may have infected or contaminated P, or

a person whom P has or may have infected or contaminated.

An order under this section may also order a person with parental responsibility (within the meaning of the Children Act 1989) for P to secure that P submits to or complies with the restrictions or requirements imposed by the order.

The appropriate Minister must by regulations make provision about the evidence that must be available to a justice of the peace before the justice can be satisfied as mentioned in subsection (1) or (3).

Any reference in this section to a person who is infected or contaminated includes a reference to a person who carries the source of an infection or contamination, and any reference to infecting or contaminating others includes a reference to passing that source to others.

164134 ▶▶▶▶▶ stewart, replying to p02099003, 1, #1170 of 1826 🔗

So a judge has to authorise it, not a politician or some random health official?

163920 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Nick Rose, 3, #1171 of 1826 🔗

im waiting for the film .. maybe a netflix series ?

163923 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to mjr, 1, #1172 of 1826 🔗

I’m not sure the DVD/Bluray boxset will sell though…

163972 ▶▶ cloud6, replying to Nick Rose, #1173 of 1826 🔗

Does 1984 sound familiar to you? We all knew that day would come 36 years ago….

163919 AnotherSceptic, replying to AnotherSceptic, 19, #1174 of 1826 🔗

The führer sturgeon is nothing more than a dictator.
Do as I say etc.
Well, I will do what your fucking twat of an MSP did, despite getting a positive test result for the “virus” she went on the train to London after getting the “positive result” clearly showing that this is all bullshit.

So, I am going to continue to go about my normal life, see & visit who I want & generally not give a flying fuck what das führer says.
Not that I cared anyway, but even more so now.
The cracks are showing now Nicola..I await the implosion.

163921 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to AnotherSceptic, 6, #1175 of 1826 🔗

Well said.

163924 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Nick Rose, 4, #1176 of 1826 🔗

Indeed, All power to you.

163927 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to AnotherSceptic, 4, #1177 of 1826 🔗

Bring it on!!!

163935 ▶▶ Stephanos, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #1178 of 1826 🔗

A pedantic point, but ‘das f ührer’ is neuter; maybe you intended that, but it is not quite right! ‘die führerin’ I think is the correct wording.

163978 ▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Stephanos, #1179 of 1826 🔗

She’s not exactly feminine though is she !.

164071 ▶▶▶ AnotherSceptic, replying to Stephanos, #1180 of 1826 🔗

Sorry, I wasn’t taught German at school, it was French. But thank you for your correction.

163983 ▶▶ JulieR, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #1181 of 1826 🔗

Of course, they know positive test means nothing without symptoms.
But they say the opposite.
They are despicable.

164015 ▶▶ RickH, replying to AnotherSceptic, 1, #1182 of 1826 🔗

I think that’s the only answer. Since when did it make any moral or rational sense in a democratic society to concede ground to the terminally stupid?

163929 Christopher, replying to Christopher, 44, #1183 of 1826 🔗

Congratulations Boris and his fellow tyrants you now have the people of this nation threatening to stab each other over pieces of cloth over their mouths.
Yes that’s right fellow sceptics I have just had some insane goon threaten to stab me in the face over not wearing a face mask on the underground .
It just keeps getting better doesn’t it .

163931 ▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Christopher, 11, #1184 of 1826 🔗

Comments here suggested something like this was only a matter of time back in July…

163938 ▶▶▶ Cicatriz, replying to Nick Rose, 11, #1185 of 1826 🔗

I’m surprised it’s not taken this long; the government and media have convinced people that existing while not wearing a mask is tantamount to genocide.

163936 ▶▶ Kelly deacons, replying to Christopher, 12, #1186 of 1826 🔗

Exactly the result behavioural insights team expects and wants.Hope you are OK…….it sure is getting nastier out there.

164002 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Kelly deacons, 4, #1187 of 1826 🔗

Let’s not let the bastards off the hook : they are the Mengele Memorial Group.

164043 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Kelly deacons, 7, #1188 of 1826 🔗

I’m am fine thank you Kelly but this is my second incident this week on the tube , Tension seems to be ramping up

164100 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Christopher, 2, #1189 of 1826 🔗

If that isn’t hate crime, I don’t know what is.

164111 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to annie, 1, #1190 of 1826 🔗

Beginning to think people should film these incidents..
Or maybe request a copy of the CCTV to use as evidence?

164149 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Carrie, 4, #1191 of 1826 🔗

The goon put his hand into his rucksack saying he is gonna pull a knife and stick it in my face , ironically I had my copy of Solzhenitsyn in my hand and that’s all about I had to defend myself with.
Although it is quite a thick book , maybe thick enough to stop a knife perhaps ?
No time to produce my phone to film the bastard unfortunately


163946 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Christopher, 12, #1192 of 1826 🔗

I am disgusted that you have been subjected to this, but not at all surprised.

And all for something as innocuous as travelling on public transport with your face uncovered. Read that sentence before 2020 and it would have made no sense whatsoever.

163952 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Christopher, 11, #1193 of 1826 🔗

Contact all the papers, BBC, ITV etc and shout it out everywhere, make a Police complaint.

163959 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #1194 of 1826 🔗

I went straight to the staff at the station I get off at and asked for it to be reported to the transport police , gave them my details , whether they get back to me is another thing , I doubt it some how . I will report to Essex police as well .

163961 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Christopher, 9, #1195 of 1826 🔗

The police may be more interested in your travelling on public transport without a face nappy than being threatened with assault.

163966 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Christopher, 10, #1196 of 1826 🔗

Good luck with Essex Police – they are the ones who investigated me for letting a blind lady sit down in my shop a few months ago.

I agree with what Richard O says – their interest will be more in you being maskless. Sorry to sound so downbeat, what you went through was horrendous, but I have no faith in them any more to assist the law-abiding.

163984 ▶▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to kh1485, 9, #1197 of 1826 🔗

Unfortunately you are probably right , this guy was very aggressive from the start and in hindsight I should have produced my asthma exemption slip to defuse things. I simply told him to mind his own business and leave me alone , things escalated from there .
I have spent 30 years on a building site and have come across many unhinged loons like this ( And I can hold my own ) .
I simply said to him ” Are you really prepared to do Bird over a piece of cloth? ” He backed off after i said the but then continued to shout abuse and threats at me from the Platform.

163994 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to Christopher, 8, #1198 of 1826 🔗

So, you have a valid, health based exemption (not that you need to prove it) and you have been threatened with potentially deadly violence based on that disability. I’d look at a ‘free initial consultation’ with a solicitor.

164000 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Sam Vimes, 9, #1199 of 1826 🔗

In hind sight i should have produced my slip to defuse tension .
But ultimately why should I ? , its non of his dam business .

164023 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Christopher, 4, #1200 of 1826 🔗

I so agree with you. I know everyone says “oh, but you’ve got a lanyard, why not use it?” But, as someone said on here yesterday, that is just as much a capitulation as wearing the damned mask.

164049 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to kh1485, 2, #1201 of 1826 🔗

I produce my slip for cafe’s and restaurants as they are being put through enough stress without me coming in and being cantankerous . You can the relief on their faces when I produce the slip.

164125 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ ConstantBees, replying to kh1485, 6, #1202 of 1826 🔗

I’m sorry you’re suffering so much abuse, but I am a woman in my 60s and I use a lanyard. I’m sorry that you see that as “capitulation” but until I see ANYONE ELSE not wearing a mask, I will continue to protect myself. I simply do not I see other people get on the bus without a mask.

As Christopher implies, he was almost assaulted because of his lack of a lanyard. I’m an old lady and I just want to avoid being threatened with assault. I’m sorry that offends your sensibilities.

164158 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to ConstantBees, 6, #1203 of 1826 🔗

I understand that that decision is right for you. I was just talking for myself. I’m in my 50s and I was very shaken by what happened to me on Monday. But I don’t want to go round labelling myself. I wasn’t passing judgement on those who wish to wear a lanyard (apologies if it came out like that) but I don’t wish to.

164212 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to ConstantBees, 3, #1204 of 1826 🔗

My sister’s compromise is not to wear an exemption badge, but have it with her if needed. If challenged she produces it, and when/if anyone says that she should, or ‘has to’ actually wear it it she reads them the law…!

164274 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to ConstantBees, 2, #1205 of 1826 🔗

No, you are not old, I am almost 72 and I am not old, my body: yes, but my mind: no, that’s why I will do what I can to try to bring this country back to it’s senses

164399 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to ConstantBees, 1, #1206 of 1826 🔗

Protect yourself. I’d also look up a good self-defence instructor who can show you how to use an umbrella to defend yourself.

164008 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Christopher, 6, #1207 of 1826 🔗

You were not wrong.

You can have sympathy for the unhinged ad the mentally deficient – but they are NOT in the right. Nor should they be in the ascendancy.

164064 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to kh1485, 4, #1208 of 1826 🔗

How are things going for you kh? With the incident you mentioned a few days ago?

164174 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Carrie, 5, #1209 of 1826 🔗

Thanks for asking Carrie. I am still pretty shaken by what happened. We’re still in discussion with the authorities. As I said, I don’t want to say too much right now, but I was very, very grateful for the gutsy ladies who came to my defence.

Sadly, it seems that you are not even able to have a different opinion on what is going on at the moment without being very closely questioned.

163973 ▶▶▶▶ Paul, replying to Christopher, 4, #1210 of 1826 🔗

The BTP are useless,they are complete Covid zealots,they will be too busy out enforcing mask wearing to deal with the small matter of someone threatening your life.

164022 ▶▶▶▶ wendyk, replying to Christopher, 1, #1211 of 1826 🔗

Let us know the outcome and I wish you well.

164336 ▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Christopher, #1212 of 1826 🔗

good luck with that … i am sure you wont tick the correct political boxes

163958 ▶▶ Jonathan Castro, replying to Christopher, 3, #1213 of 1826 🔗

Sorry to hear it. I didn’t get that when I went on the underground but maybe I was just lucky. I did get abuse yesterday for picking up litter though.

163965 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to Jonathan Castro, 7, #1214 of 1826 🔗

This is the second incident i have had this week , some rough tough fellow Electrician started moaning at my till I produced my asthma exemption slip.
He then started belly aching about my being too close to him. He’s on a busy tube train , Sweet Jesus these utter morons .

163975 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Christopher, 2, #1215 of 1826 🔗

You’re right to put the blame where it truly belongs. It was always obvious that the slimy, narcissistic Mr Toad would have no capability for understanding or empathy. His record was always beyond contradiction.

So this is beyond simple politics – and I hope that anyone who voted for this individual, who would be sad if not so dangerous, is suitably samefaced.

163997 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to RickH, 5, #1216 of 1826 🔗

I only have my self to blame on that front Rick , I voted for the Arsehole purely on the basis of Brexit , although I will add the caveat of not wholly trusting the gimp because of his previous support for the EU so it was always clear he was an grasping opportunist . Not much of a choice we were presented with .

164176 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Christopher, 3, #1217 of 1826 🔗

Sorry to hear about your experience, although it sounds as if you dealt with it very well.

Presumably this is what Cressida Dick had in mind when she said the public should be involved in enforcing muzzle wearing.

164195 ▶▶▶ Christopher, replying to TJN, 4, #1218 of 1826 🔗

That common purpose trained idiot has a lot to answer for , coincidently I have walked past her a couple of times on the way to work near St James station.
One the most unimpressive dowdy looking drone’s as you could imagine.

164334 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Christopher, 1, #1219 of 1826 🔗

If I passed her, I’d make sizzling electricity sounds. Tsszzzz, tsszzzz…

164240 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to TJN, 1, #1220 of 1826 🔗

Fetida Dick would presumably be delighted if a nappyless person had their eyes gouged out. Serve them right for defying mob rule.

164333 ▶▶▶▶ TJN, replying to annie, 1, #1221 of 1826 🔗

As Christopher says, a deeply unimpressive individual – like just everyone in positions of responsibility nowadays. Just walk-the-walk and talk-the-talk …

163937 Victoria, 2, #1222 of 1826 🔗

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163939 annie, replying to annie, 20, #1223 of 1826 🔗

Just got a letter from my optician saying it was time I had an eye examination and that ‘regular eye checks are a vital part of your healthcare’.
Rang them. They asked if I was currently having trouble with my eyes. I said no.
In that case, they said, no examination. And, as I mentioned that I couldn’t wear a face nappy, they said no examination anyway.
Talk about blind stupidity.

163957 ▶▶ Paul, replying to annie, 2, #1224 of 1826 🔗

So they don’t allow exemptions ?,yet more discrimination if so,it wasn’t Specsavers by any chance ?.

163962 ▶▶ RickH, replying to annie, 7, #1225 of 1826 🔗

I had a similar call from the dentist. No problem – they would arrange for no-one to be around if I didn’t wear a mask.

… so I said ‘No Thanks’ – not until we get back to reality and Planet Earth.

164061 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to annie, 1, #1226 of 1826 🔗

Did they ask if you had an exemption?

164097 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to Carrie, 3, #1227 of 1826 🔗

Nope. I’ve written to point out that that such exist, even in gulag Wales.

163944 Sue, replying to Sue, 3, #1228 of 1826 🔗

Interesting article from the America Institute of Economic Research on the ‘lockdownism’ being the new ideology and puritanical theme. US focus with Fausi driving this but relevant all over.


163960 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Sue, -1, #1229 of 1826 🔗

Had to smile wryly at ‘free’ market ideology being omitted from the list of totalitarian ideologies. The petticoat was showing.

163974 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Sue, 2, #1230 of 1826 🔗

Absolutely horrifying ☹️

163953 Paul, replying to Paul, 12, #1231 of 1826 🔗

Well the bastards got us in the end,the very last bit of normality left in our lives has gone,hopefully just temporarily but I’m not sure.
The only thing we do now that is normal is to meet our friends for a meal once a week at a really good restaurant that apart from the staff being muzzled is pretty much normal.
I’ve just been told that the track and trace arseholes have contacted the owner,who is also the chef,to say someone at a venue he has recently been to has tested positive (yeah,right) and he has to isolate until October 11th,therefore the restaurant will be closed until after that.He is perfectly well as as you would expect and has no symptoms whatsoever.
It is the last thing the restaurant needs,they have lost so much money this year.
When the restaurant re-opens I expect it will have to go completely covid mental like every other one in the area.

163954 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Paul, 13, #1232 of 1826 🔗

The positive PCR test is the most damaging feature of this shit-show – not actual Covid.

164173 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Paul, 1, #1233 of 1826 🔗

Not that it helps, as an app and a T&t employee just trying to make some extra cash cannot judge individual situations, but if the owner is the chef, than he would not have been in the same room as the “+”person. so only they front of house staff on duty during that period would have to isolate. Waiting staff popping in and out of the kitchen to pick up plates should not be transmitters of virus.
Such stupid legislation!
When rules were first published when hospitality re-opened, I was like:
We ALREADY do this! There was nothing new in the guidance!

163979 Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 27, #1234 of 1826 🔗

This Lemming like behaviour in my opinion had it’s “Beginnings” when Diana died; it was considered almost compulsory for even great big hairy a×××d men to cry in the street over a woman that they’d never even met and only ever seen on a tv screen and this situation went downhill from there.
Can’t spell: no you’re dyslexic.
Feeling fed up or a bit down: no you’re depressed.
Haven’t got any issues ?, well anybody who hasn’t got issues obviously has got issues about having no issues.
Making it “fashionable” for teenagers to be depressed and of course you are nobody unless you are “stressed”
over anything and everything.
Is it any wonder that a mild (in the vast majority of cases) illness is causing millions of people to scream and run around in ever decreasing circles believing that “death is stalking the streets”?
This excuse of a government is encouraging this madness aided by advisers and experts living in their ivory towers and dreaming spires who think that it’s acceptable for them to destroy the future of countless millions in their fantasy of eliminating a virus which “exists to exist” and will burn itself out eventually to be replaced by CV 20 and 21 and 22 ad infinitum.
People of our country; resist and follow the mayor of Middlesbrough and refuse to comply.

163986 ▶▶ thedarkhorse, replying to Fingerache Philip., 19, #1235 of 1826 🔗

Agree totally. I recall the Diana hysteria. I just couldnt believe what was in front of my eyes. People calling for shop closures, shutting down events, shows, cancelling big arrangements, etc….all because of her death. Absolute hysteria. never seen anything like it before. And now we’ve got it again. I have little experience of folk overseas; do they do this too?

163999 ▶▶▶ Liam, replying to thedarkhorse, 8, #1236 of 1826 🔗

By way of comparison, Man Utd played again 13 days after the Munich air disaster that killed eight of their players.

164287 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Liam, #1237 of 1826 🔗

Expect they didn’t do well against their opponents with just the three of them on the pitch. Hope nobody got red-carded.

164012 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to thedarkhorse, 8, #1238 of 1826 🔗

Yep agree and let’s not forget the little girl who was kidnapped, whatshername, thingy bob Madeline McCann. Collective hysteria, everybody pulling together as a nation.

164234 ▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to stefarm, #1239 of 1826 🔗

puling together, you mean.

164181 ▶▶▶ Ovis, replying to thedarkhorse, 5, #1240 of 1826 🔗

I remember the Diana hysteria as well. I also remember that just a day later we were all telling Diana jokes. (How do they know Diana had clean hair? They found head and shoulders on the dashboard.) And a lot of people were talking sense. It was more of a confected, top down phenomenon than is generally reckoned. We did not all go mad.

164232 ▶▶▶ annie, replying to thedarkhorse, 3, #1241 of 1826 🔗

I couldn’t believe it either. The similarity to the current hysteria is striking.

164282 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to thedarkhorse, 2, #1242 of 1826 🔗

The Diana death was the event that showed the I no longer lived in the country where I was born.

164320 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to thedarkhorse, 1, #1243 of 1826 🔗

this was the start of MSM led hysteria. In those days i had 4 channels in my TV. On the sunday morning ITV BBC1 and BBC2 all showing rolling Diana news. The two BBC channels showing the same programme!!.. And C4 showing crap.
And from that day on the MSM were generating the mass hysteria that gripped the country

163987 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1244 of 1826 🔗

Add “there’s a stigma around mental health” to that list of canards.

163996 ▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip., 13, #1245 of 1826 🔗

Exactly, And when they diagnose ‘depression’ they get you hooked on dangerous psychotropic drugs.

I didn’t understand the Diana thing: felt like a stranger in my own country, just as I do now.

164003 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 7, #1246 of 1826 🔗

Someone at the time referred to it as ‘mob grief’. Bang on.

164014 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 8, #1247 of 1826 🔗

Yep, and if you didn’t subscribe, you were deemed ‘heartless’.

164108 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to kh1485, 6, #1248 of 1826 🔗

And don’t forget ADHD which is just BLOODY NAUGHTY KIDS.

164114 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1249 of 1826 🔗

Exacerbated by poor diet…

164123 ▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Carrie, 3, #1250 of 1826 🔗

Too much sugar. Crap parenting.

164137 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to bluemoon, 2, #1251 of 1826 🔗

And watching BLOODY Reality TV

164131 ▶▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Carrie, 1, #1252 of 1826 🔗

And don’t forget:”They have issues”

164119 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Fingerache Philip., 2, #1253 of 1826 🔗

And don’t forget:”They have got issues”

164140 ▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1254 of 1826 🔗

My favourite translation of ADHD was: “boys”!

164298 ▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to kh1485, #1255 of 1826 🔗

Stranger in my own country is an excellent way of putting it, for then and now.

164018 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Fingerache Philip., 9, #1256 of 1826 🔗

Quite agree; I was shocked and dismayed when I witnessed the advent of the emotional incontinence which arose after Diana’s death: teddy mountains outside Kensington Place,rotting bunches of flowers and Blair’s ‘The people’s princess’. Nauseating.

Of course the fact that this sort of mindless behaviour is now esteemed as virtuous has made it much easier for politicians to enforce the kind of distasteful mass manipulation which we now witness: rainbows in windows, clapping for the NHS, face gagging as an emblem of righteous concern for others.

Remember ‘Don’t Look Back in Anger’ following the Manchester concert attack?

164033 ▶▶ Strange Days, replying to Fingerache Philip., 4, #1257 of 1826 🔗

Agree 100%, real emotion has been hijacked by saccharine Disneyesque sentimentality

164048 ▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Strange Days, 4, #1258 of 1826 🔗

There are upsides to this. Alain de Botton has described the Long March of Kindness in which we no longer hit children, are kinder to animals, the welfare state stops people dying in the street etc.

I think the ‘dark side’ of this kindness is disproportionate, uncontextualised risk-aversion which actually creates misery and kills in other ways.

In other words the Covid reaction is part of a trend in which people and govts. must be seen to be being compassionate, even if this means denying longer term, utilitarian trade-offs like deaths from other causes.

My sad conclusion is the only way out will be more joblessness and death from other causes. Awful, but we are too far down the rabbit hole to have a logic-based epiphany now.

164095 ▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to jhfreedom, #1259 of 1826 🔗

I don’t agree with Alain de B one bit – I think he’s a fool. Yeah, you might see a fewer parents slapping their children but sexual abuse by family members is rife, still violence in the home to women and children in private; more animals are experimented on than ever to produce these wonderful new medicines and vaccines, factory farming is on the rise, RSCPA finding more cruelty to “pets” and there are more people going to food banks than ever. And that was before this ridiculous debacle. But hey, there is more counselling on offer to help you to cope with the problems our society creates.

164326 ▶▶▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Jo, #1260 of 1826 🔗

and domestic violence to men or dont you include that ?

164870 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jo, replying to mjr, 1, #1261 of 1826 🔗

Of course. But 2 women die every week at the hands of partners/ex-partners and that has been the case since I started work in CJS in 1989. Most men who are killed are killed by other men.
But I expect, especially in early lockdown men too had to put up with an increase in violence at the hands of partners.

164254 ▶▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to jhfreedom, #1262 of 1826 🔗

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

164306 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to jhfreedom, #1263 of 1826 🔗

One reason why, when this nonsense is over, I’ll be gone to a new home – abroad.

164106 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Fingerache Philip., #1264 of 1826 🔗

You need to be extremely wary of stupidly linking depression with fearful narcissism. It betrays a detachment from reality worthy of Johnson.

Received alternative bollocks isn’t insight or wisdom. It’s a mark of ignorance.

164263 ▶▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to RickH, 2, #1265 of 1826 🔗

I would never make light of genuine depression; My own mother had a nervous breakdown over 60 years ago and it haunts me to this day, no, I’m criticising ” fashionable” depression.
If I have caused offence, I apologise unreservedly.

163985 TT, replying to TT, 29, #1266 of 1826 🔗

I’ve been an avid ‘lurker’ on this site since its early days, but unfortunately I completely botched the registration process due to a technical issue and wasn’t able to create an account or post until now (I’m from Belgium BTW, full-on mask zombie territory for the time being…). Although this whole thing stopped being funny a good while ago, there is one humorous anecdote that came to my mind as I was following the increasingly insane antics of your zealot PM, which I’ve been wanting to add (don’t think it’s been mentioned before on this site, if so I must’ve missed that particular post).

You see, I was a kid in the late ‘70s and the ‘80s, and as such experienced the rise of PCs and electronics (was the proud owner of a Commodore 64 back in the day). Before the PC made its appearance all sorts of electronic toys, robots and such were all the rage. In particular I remember owning one cool electronic toy, which consisted of a sizeable battery-operated black-and-green rubber-and-plastic spider plus a toy gun that shot an IR beam (was manufactured by Corgi I believe – toy collectors correct me if I’m wrong…). The scary spider bore an IR sensor between its eyes; when you switched it on it sort of advanced towards you in a menacing way on built-in rollers, and you had to target the exact spot between the eyes with the gun – upon a successful shot, some sickly green LED lights on its body started flashing and the abomination stopped dead in its tracks, issuing a dreadful screeching noise. That was the aim of the game: to stop the spider advancing by means of a well-aimed shot between the eyes. The giant spider was called ‘Boris’, and the name of the toy was printed in huge letters on the box: ‘STOP BORIS !’.

Whoever developed that early collector’s item probably had no idea what a prophetic talent he was… somehow it seemed so appropriate to the situation now. In any case I see huge marketing potential if it were resurrected now (a picture worth more than a thousand words …) !

164027 ▶▶ Moomin, replying to TT, 3, #1267 of 1826 🔗

Don’t remember the game but I did have a Commodore 64!

164070 ▶▶▶ TT, replying to Moomin, 10, #1268 of 1826 🔗

The ‘STOP BORIS!’ toy was a real, physical, battery-operated electronic device, I just mentioned the C64 to point out that the thing pre-dated even the earliest PCs. Even found a pic of good old ‘Boris’ just now via Google search: striking resemblance…?

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164107 ▶▶▶▶▶ TT, replying to Steeve, 8, #1270 of 1826 🔗

If only you could locate the instruction manual for the other Boris, it might be possible to find the off switch…

164269 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to TT, 1, #1271 of 1826 🔗

Might need a hammer ;o))

164105 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to TT, 2, #1272 of 1826 🔗

The resemblance is striking!!!!

164151 ▶▶▶▶ mhcp, replying to TT, 1, #1273 of 1826 🔗

I wonder was it named after The Who song?

164231 ▶▶ annie, replying to TT, 3, #1274 of 1826 🔗

Aah … welcome to our Belgian branch!

I had a Commodore 6304. What I chiefly,y remember is painstakingly,y typing in lines of code, the hitting RUN and … nothing happening.

163989 Quernus, replying to Quernus, 82, #1275 of 1826 🔗

I had an interesting encounter today. I go to my local Shell garage every morning for a coffee, and not once have I worn a mask, although about 80% of people do. The staff are lovely, and have never challenged me. This morning, there was a police van parked in the forecourt, and two officers were talking to the owner inside. I couldn’t help listening in while I got my coffee, and heard they were having a civilised go at him for having too many people not wearing masks in the shop and he could be leaving himself open to a fine if he didn’t make challenge them. Of course, I had to chime in and said that if he (the owner) asked why someone wasn’t wearing a mask, he would be breaching the discrimination law, and the policeman said that people could wear lanyards to show they were exempt. I pointed out that the government was quite clear in saying that wearing a lanyard or carrying a card to confirm exemption wasn’t required, and presumably he knew that if he’d read the legislation (he didn’t sound as though he had). I pointed out that trying to make people wear a lanyard or show a badge was like getting us to wear a yellow star. He didn’t really answer me, just mumbled something back from behind his mask.

When I got back to my car, the police were already back at their van. I asked to have a word with them, and spoke to the young female officer, who said they were only giving the owner a warning because a local councillor (!) had made a complaint that there were too many people not wearing masks (he was the only one out of ten people the other morning). She quite happily volunteered that she thought the rules were unclear, and the implication was that it was a waste of time (although she was part of a specially assigned Covid unit, which, she said, was costing a lot of money). I did point out that at the height of the pandemic, the government were telling people NOT to wear masks, so why now? And that they’re really bad for your health, and she said she knew, her boyfriend had trouble with them and couldn’t wear them.. I told her that this would only stop if we all just say no, including the police and other officials, that this wasn’t a “new normal” I was prepared to accept, and that the government had no endgame in sight (I didn’t go into the vaccination plan). She certainly didn’t try and correct me on any particular point, but had an air of having to “follow the rules”.

I think it’s more important than ever that we keep having conversations like this with the police, not only to bridge the “them and us” chasm that’s growing ever wider, but also to hopefully plant a few seeds. We need those in the professions, the police and the armed services to stand up and challenge what’s happening, and by having these sorts of conversations, it might help them realise that not everyone is willing to go along with this tyranny.

163998 ▶▶ Mark, replying to Quernus, 36, #1276 of 1826 🔗

they were only giving the owner a warning because a local councillor (!) had made a complaint that there were too many people not wearing masks

These are the kinds of busybodying, snitching scum in every tyranny that form the transmission conduit in every tyranny, that carries authoritarianism from the government to the streets, with the police as the enforcers.

When the stakes get higher, they will pay a higher price.

164007 ▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Mark, 36, #1277 of 1826 🔗

Oh yes, and don’t I just know about that after my experience with one such earlier this week and the resultant visit from officialdom.

What really puzzles me (hey, maybe I’m being a bit thick here) but I’m astounded by how many police are now available to look into all these regulation floutings. Never any police available when you’ve been burgled, verbally assaulted or are reporting drug-dealing/taking.

164029 ▶▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to kh1485, 13, #1278 of 1826 🔗

And yet, time and again, they have been the ones who don’t know the regulations. There’s nothing at all in the law about challenging people, and the guidance couldn’t be clearer – surprisingly.
PS, is the salt beef back on yet? <runs for coat>

164050 ▶▶▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Sam Vimes, 6, #1279 of 1826 🔗

Hope you’ll be eating tonight! But there seems to be a disturbing assumption made that the rules are more draconian than they actually are. And I think that’s entirely deliberate. After all, why would you make wearing masks in shops mandatory, if you didn’t make it similarly mandatory to prove if you’re exempt? I fear it’s only a matter of time.

164068 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Quernus, 3, #1280 of 1826 🔗

Don’t agree. The current situation allows for much more divide-and-rule shaming from the bad guys.

164076 ▶▶▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Sam Vimes, 5, #1281 of 1826 🔗

Challenging people amounts to discrimination!! That’s why the guidance advises against it The Equality Act hasn’t been repealed last time I looked!

164086 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Telpin, 9, #1282 of 1826 🔗

Exactly what I pointed out to the police, who I don’t think knew what the law actually was. Perhaps they’ll think about it twice now, or perhaps even acquaint themselves with what the law actually says before doing this again. But I think there’s been a country-wide edict has been given out to the police and businesses to enforce the mask-wearing rules, regardless of what the Equality Act actually says. There’s a lawyer, Clare Wills-Harrison, who s preparing a test-case against a business for refusing entry for not wearing a mask. That’s the sort of thing we need to be supporting.

164152 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Silke David, replying to Quernus, 3, #1283 of 1826 🔗

O sometimes think how surreal it is that I know all these gov websites to look up legislation etc.

164472 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Dominic12, replying to Quernus, 3, #1284 of 1826 🔗

The guidance, which my trade association repeated in their comments, says retailers must remind people to wear face coverings where it is law to do so. Now I took that to mean the reminder must be done if it is the law to do so, which it isn’t. Many others will have taken that to mean where it is law to wear face coverings they must remind people.

164488 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Quernus, 4, #1285 of 1826 🔗

Absolutely. In Germany, schools in particular are trying to enforce stricter rules than the law requires, solely banking upon parents ignorance, obedience and acceptance of bullying. As soon as a parent contacts a lawyer, German Anti-Lockdown lawyers have organized themselves to take care of such cases, the schools have to row back.

164110 ▶▶▶▶▶ kh1485, replying to Sam Vimes, 2, #1286 of 1826 🔗

Oh yes, but who knows for how much longer with all these threats of another bloody lockdown.

Don’t run for your coat, you and JohnB keep me just the right side of sane with your quips!

164035 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to kh1485, 9, #1287 of 1826 🔗

These scumbags are sowing the wind. They’d better hope this comes to an end before it comes to reaping time.

164121 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Mark, 3, #1288 of 1826 🔗

Looking forward to helping with the whirlwind.

164051 ▶▶▶▶ Stringfellow Hawke, replying to kh1485, 9, #1289 of 1826 🔗

Never any police available when you’ve been burgled, verbally assaulted or are reporting drug-dealing/taking.” Totally true. I remember a few years ago, a daytime radio presenter, can’t remember who, but was relating an anecdote about anti-social & criminal behaviour (group of youths hitting fences, & threatening entrance to a property) in their street… called police and got a ‘sorry we don’t have those kinds of resources, call us back if you witness something more serious’ kinda thing. 2-3 days later, Tommy Robinson on the news, walking down the road and he “might” have been mean to somebody – about 80 cops swoop in out of nowhere!

164146 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Stringfellow Hawke, 13, #1290 of 1826 🔗

A heard a doubtless-untrue story of a concerned citizen phoning the police to complain about drug-dealing outside his home. The police informed him that they had nobody to send.

He waited ten minutes before phoning them back and explained they no longer needed to worry about these particular bad guys because he’d popped out and shot them all himself.

Within five minutes, eight police officers and an armed response unit turned up outside his home and caught the drug-dealers at it. An angry sergeant confronted the concerned citizen.

“I thought you’d shot these suspects,” he barked.

“And I thought you had nobody to send,” replied the concerned citizen.

164155 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ bluemoon, replying to Nick Rose, 6, #1291 of 1826 🔗

Urban myth, but still a goodie!

164073 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Mark, 10, #1292 of 1826 🔗

Was the owner aware that you had stuck up for him? He may need the support. As for the councillor – he or she should be exposed for promoting disability discrimination. How can local businesses thrive when this is how local councillors’support’ them

164079 ▶▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Telpin, 11, #1293 of 1826 🔗

Yes, I told the police that the owner and staff were always courteous and polite and offered people the chance to wear a mask if they didn’t have one. I will support them any way I can.

The councillor’s behaviour is shameful and shows a complete lack of understanding of the law and a complete lack of empathy for anything other than his own sense of self-importance.

164115 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to Telpin, 6, #1294 of 1826 🔗

Councils are generally pretty incompetent at running councils, so I wouldn’t expect much better from them running anything else.

I wouldn’t trust them to make money selling ice cream in the middle of a heatwave in August on Llandudno Pier.

164156 ▶▶▶ BeBopRockSteady, replying to Mark, 8, #1295 of 1826 🔗

My town has had more ‘cases’ in the last month than in the past 6. The Council called a meeting today and their number one motion?

Free masks for everyone. I kid you not. This is the quality of representation. A total waste of resources and utterly depressing

164182 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to BeBopRockSteady, 3, #1296 of 1826 🔗

Point out this will increase their carbon footprint

164482 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Mark, 3, #1297 of 1826 🔗

Sounds like he met Detective Sergeant Officer Peter Pisspot from Twat Valley Police….

164001 ▶▶ wendyk, replying to Quernus, 22, #1298 of 1826 🔗

Excellent; congratulations for taking on the cops,and engaging them in conversation. ‘Covid Unit’ has a decidedly sinister ring though.

164005 ▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to wendyk, 26, #1299 of 1826 🔗

Thanks – my heart was pounding and I just wanted to leave, but knew it’s more important to keep having these conversations. But I agree with Mark – the snitching that’s going on now is dangerous indeed…and as you say, having Covid Units is just alarming, but all part of the script.

164028 ▶▶▶▶ Mark, replying to Quernus, 14, #1300 of 1826 🔗

Yes, full credit to you for getting your point across.

The division and real hatred it introduces into society is not the least reason why governments should never make things like this compulsory. The resulting violence (and it’s only a matter of time before it escalates to killings) is all to be laid at the door of our politicians, Conservative and Labour (and SNP etc) who have done this, or allowed it, so gratuitously and negligently.

164506 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Mark, 5, #1301 of 1826 🔗

In German schools in particular, it’s currently full 1930s again, as every headmaster seems to have a stricter agenda than that required by the law, mask exemptions by medical certificates are often ignored or challenged (illegaly), some teachers, who would be personally responsible if a child got sick or died (3 suspected already) due to masking when under their control, are rebelling, some doctors, who get a lot of pressure from their organizations to not issue exemptions, are rebelling and as such all of them and the respective factions of parents and pupils are very divided and hostile towards the others, the dissenters.
Those who have made them, the sheep, believe absurdities, have now made them commit atrocities.

164080 ▶▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Quernus, 7, #1302 of 1826 🔗

Very brave- well done for persistence

164194 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Quernus, 4, #1303 of 1826 🔗

Well done for speaking up and more importantly, being informative. Some police simply don’t know all the rules, after all they’re not judges too…yet .

164514 ▶▶▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to PoshPanic, 3, #1304 of 1826 🔗

There is no excuse for a policeman for not knowing the rules on masks. Zero.
And I doubt anyone of them doesn’t.
They might faint ignorance if caught, but it is their deliberate tactic and instruction to bully in this matter in full knowledge and disrespect of the law.
Adhering to Cressida’s gospel.

164006 ▶▶ Winston Smith, replying to Quernus, 8, #1305 of 1826 🔗

Well done you 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻

164009 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Quernus, 12, #1306 of 1826 🔗

The only people that deliberately came within two metres of me during the real height of the pandemic were… two policemen. While I was sitting by myself on the grass, 30m from anyone else.

I enjoy the irony, but only when I’m in a good mood.

Great work for making them think about it more deeply.

164025 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Quernus, 6, #1307 of 1826 🔗

The police must choose to wear them, as they are exempt according to Gov.uk. Is it a Labour council, by any chance, apparently the ones in the north are all Labour councils who are asking for the government to lock them down, maybe tactics to make the government look bad, or revenge on the northern voters who voted Tory

164036 ▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Dan Clarke, 7, #1308 of 1826 🔗

Rochdale, so yep, definitely a Labour council. I suspect a great deal of pressure is put on the police to wear masks because it would be too easy to cry foul to be told off, or fined, for not wearing a mask by an officer who wasn’t wearing one, regardless of whether they are technically exempt. But Labour is now a joke – they are definitely not the party of opposition. Or rather, as you say, they are desperate to be seen to be pushing for harsher measures – perhaps they think that counts as being in opposition!

164044 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Quernus, 2, #1309 of 1826 🔗

Labour are aparty of skivers. They were mostly the MPs who didn’t bother to do their public duty and vote on Wednesday.

164074 ▶▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Cheezilla, -6, #1310 of 1826 🔗

Oh FFS. Stop trying to duck prime responsibility for this right-wing shit-show.

I don’t defend the pathetic inadequacy of the opposition, but I do wish the infantile right would fess up to its prime responsibility instead of pretending it hasn’t been in power for the past 40 years ever since the Loopy Lady landed on the scene and buggered the country.

164116 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, 12, #1311 of 1826 🔗

I was running Labour Party committee rooms probably before you were born.

My first husband was a Labour councillor, who worked extremely hard for his constituents. I’ve voted Labour all my life.

At Uni, I studied 1980s hegemony and know exactly what Thatcher did to the social fabric of this country, especially in the industrial heartlands.

However, this mockdown crisis and the worse that’s planned, is no place for partisan politics here. We need to pull together.

164133 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1312 of 1826 🔗

Agree, both Left and Right on these forums need to focus on personal liberty. The size of the welfare state, extent of taxes etc. are separate issues. We need to be together now. And who knows, maybe we will enjoy the experience of putting aside politics for a worthy cause and be more civil to each other in the future. They do that in Europe I’m told!!

164222 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Cheezilla, 7, #1313 of 1826 🔗

We do indeed. Party differences and previous party records are irrelevant. Tyranny is tyranny whether it comes from the left, right or centre.
After the Liberation, if we really want to we can split into Old Lockdown Righties and Old Lockdown Lefties and slang each other to our hearts’ content.

Right now I feel more like Janet Webb:

… and I LOVE you all!

164040 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Dan Clarke, 4, #1314 of 1826 🔗

Does he not realise he’s going to make things even more draconian? What an idiot!

Mayor of Middlesbrough Andy Preston says “if there is a law, I will follow the law… but as things stand, I do not accept these proposals”.

When/if the govt announcement becomes law we will conform, 100%

164047 ▶▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1315 of 1826 🔗

Sadly, I don’t think he does. We’re a nation of rule-followers, on the whole, and those in minor political roles seem to be more desperate than ever to make sure ALL rules are followed, regardless of the eventual implications of doing that.

164065 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Dan Clarke, -3, #1316 of 1826 🔗

Don’t get stupidly partisan.

Let’s face it – the government couldn’t be worse, or more idiotic or hypocritical.

At base, this is a Tory shit-show, resulting from an overwhelmingly Tory media You can’t excuse that, or put the blame on the ancillary stupidity of some Labour councils just because the electoral strategy has gone tits-up and back-fired.

Any party that endorsed Alexander Pfaffle was stupid not to know what the likely consequences were.

Get real.

164103 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, 5, #1317 of 1826 🔗

In Kirklees and Bradford, it was the councils that pressed for local mockdowns. The same has happened in Greater Manchester.
The Labour councils are their electorate’s worst enemies and, to my shame, I voted for mine.

164227 ▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1318 of 1826 🔗

We will need a Truth and Reconciliation commission when this is all over.
One of the essentials will be a completely open Freedom of Information including who and when on the Snitch Lines.
Bang it in to their heads now, that their names will be publicised and that might cut back considerably on the Capo/Stazi behaviour.

164236 ▶▶▶▶▶ wayno, replying to Cheezilla, 4, #1319 of 1826 🔗

dont feel shame i voted for my con MP and she is turning out to be a lap dog. As ICE T said, right wing, left wing, its all the same fking bird.

164185 ▶▶▶▶ Nick Rose, replying to RickH, 2, #1320 of 1826 🔗

In Wales, it’s the Welsh Assembly Government deciding on the local mockdowns. Frothing at the mouth to lock more and more down. And doing it before so-called “cases” reach that point their own guidelines suggest is the danger zone.

164216 ▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to RickH, 2, #1321 of 1826 🔗

In Scotland it’s the Scottish Numpty Party or the Natzi Party.
Either way they are National Socialists.
They are far more repressive and nasty than the Tories.
Krankies other ambition is to outdo Lukashenko and have the most represssive regime west of the Urals.

164039 ▶▶ jhfreedom, replying to Quernus, 8, #1322 of 1826 🔗

Fantastic stuff. And good for you for educating them.

Yes the police have to follow the rules, but equally we police by consent in this country we don’t ‘do’ top-down diktat like in the continent or Russia, Asia etc. So they could exercise a bit of restraint.

I hardly dare ask this question but do you think the govt. could tighten up the exemptions? In other countries the exemptions seem to hold less sway…I hope they don’t do away with them here. Mass exemption is the route out of this.

164057 ▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to jhfreedom, 15, #1323 of 1826 🔗

Sadly, I think it’s only a matter of time before the laws are amended so that anyone claiming exemption must prove it in some way. They can’t do that now, because they’ve already told GPs not to provide exemption certificates because the law is quite clear that we can self-certificate. But already there are many, many people who believe that it’s a legal requirement to prove exemption already, and they call for shops to exclude entry to those who aren’t wearing masks regardless! Whenever I come across comments like that, I always put them straight and direct them to what the government actually says. I agree that mass exemption is really the only way to go, but too many people seem wedded to their masks – actually, I believe they’re more attached to the idea that if THEY have to wear them to protect others, then EVERYONE should wear one, and those who don’t are selfish granny-killers.

164060 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Quernus, 6, #1324 of 1826 🔗

It’s to warm people up for when we get to ‘no vaccine – no entry’…

164093 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, 3, #1325 of 1826 🔗

I agree.

164092 ▶▶▶▶ Margaret, replying to Quernus, 6, #1326 of 1826 🔗

As I posted earlier, there don’t seem to be any risk assessments done on the dangers of wearing masks for long periods of time. I’ve been searching for ages for them, without success. There are too many get-out clauses in the list of exemptions for the government to amend the laws. They cover themselves by allowing people to make their own decisions. If you complained that wearing a mask caused you health problems, they could say you could have self exempted.

164113 ▶▶▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Margaret, 3, #1327 of 1826 🔗

Good point. Schools and workplaces in particular should be doing them as they have general welfare duties. Children’s masks by the end of each day must be teeming with germs. If only a respectable study would come out

164205 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Telpin, 2, #1328 of 1826 🔗

I would be great if someone could get their child’s mask tested and film the findings… there would be then *real evidence* to present to the school..

I realise there is that little film from Spain, but it would likely have more impact to show the ‘gunk’ on one’s OWN child’s mask..

164208 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Telpin, 1, #1329 of 1826 🔗
164348 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Margaret, 2, #1330 of 1826 🔗

UK Column covered this today. There’s a new study out with some alarming warnings about muzzle-wearing, either cotton or disposable.

164112 ▶▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to Quernus, #1331 of 1826 🔗

See my response above

164109 ▶▶▶ Telpin, replying to jhfreedom, 5, #1332 of 1826 🔗

It would be difficult alongside the Equality Act – as needing to demonstrate proof would amount to the person with a disability being treated differently ( is discriminated against). However I think the mask conditions are a bit wider than the disability categories under the EA severe distress example ). But even then, a non wearer could claim anxiety – which is a recognised medical condition. And there’s little chance GPS will want to issue certificates- (1) they’re barely seeing their existing workload and (2) I would expect them to have real issues with patient confidentiality ( think of the numbers of people that would end up seeing your records!). So I think self exemption is here to stay – unless this caring government and opposition repeal the EA and disability protection of course- all before the god that is Co Vid. I can feel myself getting angry again… 🤯

164117 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Telpin, 2, #1333 of 1826 🔗

Just needs another Statutory Instrument…and exemptions could go

164228 ▶▶▶▶▶ annie, replying to Carrie, 2, #1334 of 1826 🔗

… and if somebody then dies as a provable result of bring forced to wear a nappy when they have a medical condition making it dangerous to do so?

164233 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to annie, 1, #1335 of 1826 🔗

Think that’s already happened to a few children in Germany 🙁

164498 ▶▶▶▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Carrie, 1, #1336 of 1826 🔗

I would rather die in gaol. Seriously.

164132 ▶▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Telpin, 3, #1337 of 1826 🔗

….and breathe! Hope you’re right, though – there have been many things we thought we sacrosanct, or at least well protected by law, that have come under attack through the insidious SIs. I can envisage a time when an amendment could be made to the EA to exclude any covid-related discrimination on the grounds that this is a national emergency and we’re all going to die if people don’t wear masks. .

164046 ▶▶ RickH, replying to Quernus, 11, #1338 of 1826 🔗

Good story.

There are some arseholes in the police – as anywhere. But they aren’t all like the
blackshirt thugs that we saw in Trafalgar Square and Hyde Park last Saturday.

Theo ordinary bobby is in an impossible position, faced with what is, ultimately, government venality and idiocy.

Your persistence in simply highlighting the idiocy, and engaging in intelligent conversation is really sensible.

164055 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to RickH, 6, #1339 of 1826 🔗

P.S. Re. the minute’s silence in Trafalgar Square – I’ve heard from someone who knew the guy who was killed what a lovely bloke he was in terms of engaging with the community and being what the police can and should be.

164062 ▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to RickH, 6, #1340 of 1826 🔗

You’re right, of course, and I think we need to reach out to the ordinary bobbies and bridge the gap. Those “police” who attacked the crowd at the weekend clearly had an agenda, and they should be investigated and held to account for it. But as a result of their actions, I’ve heard friends of mine get more antagonistic towards the ordinary bobbies, but the opposite approach is needed. They are trying to divide and conquer, and I won’t play that game.

164090 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to RickH, 4, #1341 of 1826 🔗

I had a chat with a friend who’s a recently qualified PC. She had absolutely no idea about the real covid stats and the fact that the police could be used against the people.

164054 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Quernus, 3, #1342 of 1826 🔗

Great! Everyday someone shares about being jaded about the situation, accounts like yours give us all a boost!

164067 ▶▶▶ Quernus, replying to Steeve, 5, #1343 of 1826 🔗

Thanks 🙂 I think these situations happen more often than are reported, either here or elsewhere. It’s so important to keep sharing the “good news” to balance the darker stuff, particularly as we humans seem to have a tendency to go a bit Marvin (the paranoid android) when given the opportunity (and I might add, that would be entirely warranted in the current plandemic)…

164072 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Quernus, 4, #1344 of 1826 🔗

Good for you.

164200 ▶▶ Mike Collins, replying to Quernus, 2, #1345 of 1826 🔗

Surely the easiest way to make this stop is that everybody who lives close to a police officer, councillor , PCSO or similar reports them on their local ‘snitch’ line. I’m sure you’ve seen people ‘coming and going’ into their property and you’ve rung the helpline to ‘express your concern’ as a good citizen. They’ll soon get fed up chasing their ‘own’ down. I’ve rung to tell them about my MP. Happy days.

164489 ▶▶ charleyfarley, replying to Quernus, 2, #1346 of 1826 🔗

Well done – good job!!

163991 Dan Clarke, 9, #1347 of 1826 🔗

The CON is so obvious, so much written about using a virus for the Fear Factor, using a vaccine ID to control. And yet, so many still in denial.

163993 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 5, #1348 of 1826 🔗

5hr video of well-known sceptics in video conversation:-

Del Bigtree
Pete Evans
Mikki Willis
Rocco Galati
Susan Stanfield
Michael Tellenger
Zach Bush
Sherri Tenpenny
Dr Buttar
Nurse Kate
Dolores Cahill
Mark Steele
Dr Northrup
Pam Popper
Dr Lewis
Tom Brown
And many more


164088 ▶▶ annie, replying to Kevin 2, 1, #1349 of 1826 🔗

Bless ’em all
The long and the short and the tall…

164136 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Kevin 2, #1350 of 1826 🔗

I started watching but didn’t get much from it personally, if anyone fancies highlighting bits that are more science/politics focused that they would recommend at certain timestamps I might dip in again 🙂 I struggled with the constant references to God etc.

164184 ▶▶▶ Kevin 2, replying to Tee Ell, #1351 of 1826 🔗

Well, you have to realise this is a broad church of active opponents from every discipline; lawyers, constitutional lawyers, scientists, protest leaders, virologists, investigative journalists, film makers,you name it, they are there. Each contributor gets about 5mins. If one in particular doesn’t do it for you, then just FF 5 mins!

And you don’t have to watch it all in one sitting.

You don’t have to watch it all, if you are not sufficiently interested.

But it is probably the most significant collective of active individuals yet.
And they are active on everybody’s half.

164522 ▶▶▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Kevin 2, #1352 of 1826 🔗

I hope I didn’t sound dismissive, do appreciate you sharing and I’m sure it was just my mood at the time!

164010 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 14, #1353 of 1826 🔗

Not that I’m wishing it of course but if the Queen were to die right now I wonder what the government would do in terms of state funeral. I assume they’d have to cave in and then Whitty could show a graph that Covid takes every other Tuesday off or something so it would be OK.

164017 ▶▶ David, replying to Achilles, 5, #1354 of 1826 🔗

Why do you think they are pretending Prince Philip is still with us?

164019 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to David, 6, #1355 of 1826 🔗

You mean – there was a time when he was ‘with’ ‘us’???

164021 ▶▶▶ Sam Vimes, replying to David, 1, #1356 of 1826 🔗

You can’t kill Phil. Too ornery.

164135 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to Sam Vimes, 1, #1357 of 1826 🔗

You mean ‘too stupid and privileged’ ?

164041 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to David, 3, #1358 of 1826 🔗

I assume he’s self-isolating. Probably best for everyone.

164059 ▶▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to David, #1359 of 1826 🔗

A legend; indeed, on the island of Tanna, a god…..

164058 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Achilles, 1, #1360 of 1826 🔗

Who knows what is going on with the Royals? I saw an interview with ‘Prince Charles’ on Sky and he looked totally different. ..really not sure it was actually him!

164141 ▶▶ Silke David, replying to Achilles, #1361 of 1826 🔗

Maybe she has died, she has not been seen in public for some time.
Wouldn’t that be nice, not to have to go through all the charades.

164170 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Achilles, 1, #1362 of 1826 🔗

Blimey that would lead to a fate for this country worse than Al Johnson – namely, King Charles III!

164203 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to IanE, #1363 of 1826 🔗

The global reset would be enabled to be implemented far more quickly under Charles, I fear..

164267 ▶▶ AN other lockdown sceptic, replying to Achilles, 1, #1364 of 1826 🔗

Love it.

164030 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 25, #1365 of 1826 🔗

‘I am amazed that the public still consents to endure the miserable existence set out for it, but then I have never had much faith in the British character. No other race except the Chinese is so regimented. Moreover the British have an astounding susceptibility, unlike the Latin or Nordic peoples, to fear and alarm. In short, we are a race of incurable cowards: bovine, lazy and easily bullied. Yet our sense of superiority is undiminished.’

The Spectator. Petronella Wyatt

The worst of it is that recent personal observation seems to bear this out.

164083 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #1366 of 1826 🔗

The Chinese were broken by Maoism.
We’re being broken by Covidism.

164038 Tim Bidie, replying to Tim Bidie, 12, #1367 of 1826 🔗

‘Boris Johnson has Turkish blood, of which he has often boasted. It seems to have come to the fore. Boris now rules by decree, forgetting that it is parliament that is supreme in this country. Either that, or he has splinters in the windmills of his mind’

The Spectator. Petronella Wyatt

This from a lady who knows him well…….

164082 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tim Bidie, 3, #1368 of 1826 🔗

Boris’ real name = Al Kemal

164104 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, #1369 of 1826 🔗

I rather suspect he would have been less likely to be elected if that was still his name now..

164085 ▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #1370 of 1826 🔗

Hes a political chameleon, always hated big government he said, now he’s a global hand maiden

164192 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Tim Bidie, 2, #1371 of 1826 🔗

Interesting, that is the second of his former mistresses to go public with claims he has become a dictator. Suspect Marina will stay quiet. If his sister spoke out, that would see him off in my view.

164052 Tom Blackburn, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1372 of 1826 🔗

The Guardian: Councils given five minutes’ notice of local lockdown confirmation.

164078 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1373 of 1826 🔗

One senior source said they were surprised and concerned that the rules had been “watered down” from what had been discussed with a minister only 12 hours earlier.

Watered down sounds good to me!

164084 ▶▶▶ Tom Blackburn, replying to Cheezilla, 5, #1374 of 1826 🔗

I am sick to fucking death of bedwetters!

164202 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tom Blackburn, 1, #1375 of 1826 🔗

5 minutes’ notice – par for the course then..

164053 Nobody2020, replying to Nobody2020, 6, #1376 of 1826 🔗

Sky News just allowing some random American healthcare worker give a 15 minute diatribe against Trump and telling people not to vote for him.

Interestingly they were recently voted the most trustworthy news channel albeit a very low rating. The best of the worst so to speak.

164069 ▶▶ Liam, replying to Nobody2020, 2, #1377 of 1826 🔗

That’ll go down well in Oklahoma.

164099 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Liam, 2, #1378 of 1826 🔗

Nancy Pelosi has pretty much said she hopes he won’t survive..

164120 ▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Carrie, 2, #1379 of 1826 🔗

Wow, she really is the worst speaker. It’s like Diane Abbot on a bad day lol!

164130 ▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Carrie, 6, #1380 of 1826 🔗

Here’s another horrible person:


(Matt Hancock behaving like a petulant teenager in the HOC today, in response to a perfectly reasonable question)

I’m actually surprised the Speaker did not make him answer the question – seems Hancock got away with his tantrum..

164164 ▶▶▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Carrie, 3, #1381 of 1826 🔗

Yup, Hancock being measured up for his imminent 21st century nervous breakdown!

164188 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to IanE, 1, #1382 of 1826 🔗

Dolan’s typo is quite a Freudian slip!
Decisive language for sure!

164175 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, 1, #1383 of 1826 🔗

Wow. That’s quite a telling exchange!

164199 ▶▶▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Carrie, 1, #1384 of 1826 🔗

It must have been past his bedtime

164167 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Carrie, 1, #1385 of 1826 🔗

Hopefully he’ll survive Biden!

164353 ▶▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Carrie, 1, #1386 of 1826 🔗

A lot are cursing him with a satanic curse.

They are not good or moral people. They are despicable.

164177 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Nobody2020, 1, #1387 of 1826 🔗

Was that Dr Vanessa Kerry by any chance, daughter of John Kerry?

164351 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Nobody2020, #1388 of 1826 🔗

Best of the worst? That’s not saying much.
And why is Sky news bothering? We don’t get to vote here in U.S. elections.

164075 Cheezilla, replying to Cheezilla, 6, #1389 of 1826 🔗

Panic stations! Panic stations!


The University has said that 770 students have tested positive for the potentially deadly virus.
It is understood that just 78 of the positive cases are symptomatic.

This terrifying news comes as nearly 1,800 Covid-19 cases have been identified among university students and staff, a survey suggests .

164098 ▶▶ Guirme, replying to Cheezilla, 8, #1390 of 1826 🔗

Presumably 1800 cases is fantastic news – end of the Covid problem in that University. Resume teaching and students can enjoy a normal social life.

164179 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Guirme, 3, #1391 of 1826 🔗

Exactly. No-one is dying at these universities. Just let it work through and by Chrustmas you need never cancel a lecture or lock down a hall of residence again.

164124 ▶▶ p02099003, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1392 of 1826 🔗

10% are symptomatic 90% aren’t.

164165 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to p02099003, #1393 of 1826 🔗

But what does symptomatic mean?
Freshers’ flu? Headache?

164245 ▶▶▶▶ p02099003, replying to Cheezilla, 1, #1394 of 1826 🔗

Exactly. Symptoms are too unspecific, test produces too many false positives.

164148 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Cheezilla, 3, #1395 of 1826 🔗

Nice, they’re all safe to spend Christmas with their families then!

164091 Dave #KBF, 7, #1396 of 1826 🔗

Ivor Cummins is going to be a guest on TalkRADIO in the next hour.

Watch here on YouTube.


164094 Kevin 2, replying to Kevin 2, 10, #1397 of 1826 🔗

Remdesivir (£2000 in the UK).

Acute Kidney injury.

“Oct 2 (Reuters) – The European drugs regulator said on Friday its safety committee was reviewing reports of acute kidney injury in some COVID-19 patients who had been given Gilead Sciences Inc’s remdesivir.
The European Medicines Agency (EMA) said at this point it was not clear whether there is a causal relationship between remdesivir and the reports of acute kidney injury. Its committee would review all available data to find that out.
The treatment, one of the first to shorten the recovery time among COVID-19 patients in clinical trials, has been approved for emergency use in several countries including Europe and United States.
Kidney injury can be caused by COVID-19 as well as other factors such as diabetes, the EMA said in a statement. (Reporting by Manas Mishra in Bengaluru; Editing by Shinjini Ganguli)”

Kidney and liver toxicity was shown and well-known in the trials, but criminally downplayed.

This is Gilead, another member of unholy Big Pharma.

How much ‘long-Covid’ is Remdesivir related…?

164171 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to Kevin 2, 2, #1398 of 1826 🔗

And a major investor in Gilead is?

One guess is all that is required.

164450 ▶▶▶ James, replying to Awkward Git, #1399 of 1826 🔗


164101 Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, 6, #1400 of 1826 🔗

Ms. Ferrier is getting it in the neck. I’m not so condemnatory of her actions myself.

She takes a test either to reassure herself she hasn’t got the virus or to take appropriate steps if she has.

She’s told she has it and decides to go home – in an empty first class train compartment most probably and expecting to be in splendid isolation.

She’s no doubt jeopardising others she travels – but bejaybus it’s driven in to we’re all doing that every day whether we feel ill or not, so why should she feel she’s being especially wicked knowing on this particular occasion the threat she poses isn’t so theoretical?

She’ll have to walk the plank no doubt. And that will make things sticky for Boris, he’ll be challenged as to why he didn’t make his chum commit hari-kari earlier in the year which will be one good thing to come out of this transgression.

164127 ▶▶ IanE, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #1401 of 1826 🔗

It’s the hypocrisy that is so galling! And yes, Cummings should be going.

164128 ▶▶ Nessimmersion, replying to Ned of the Hills, 7, #1402 of 1826 🔗

Dont see how she’s jeopardising anybody, she was wearing a mask and so was everyone else on the 🚆 .
So there are 2 options:
a) All in masks so we’re all 👌
b) Masks are kabuki and increase the probability of infection.

The thought police will have to make up their minds on this one.

164138 ▶▶▶ IanE, replying to Nessimmersion, 1, #1403 of 1826 🔗

The point, as ever, is that RULE-MAKERS MUST NOT BE RULE-BREAKERS! How else to control the idiocies of the lunatics ‘in charge’?!!

164169 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Nessimmersion, 2, #1404 of 1826 🔗

If the MPs had downloaded the app, would it not have notified them that she had tested positive? Oh wait…

164154 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Ned of the Hills, 4, #1405 of 1826 🔗

She should do another test. Given current prevalence, there’s a 2/3 chance it’s a false positive.

164160 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Ned of the Hills, 3, #1406 of 1826 🔗

She went to the trouble of actally travelling 400 miles – and back – to do her Parliamentary duty and take part in what was democratically the most important vote this year.
She deserves a medal!

Meanwhile, only 5 Labour MPs bothered to vote at all!

164732 ▶▶ Ned of the Hills, replying to Ned of the Hills, #1407 of 1826 🔗

It is a bit redundant for me to make these corrections now – but nevertheless I will. One of my sentences above had two words missing.

She’s no doubt jeopardising others she travels with – but bejaybus it’s driven in to us we’re all doing that every day whether we feel ill or not,

But imagine most people would have realised they were missing – (I hope!).

164102 Smelly Melly, replying to Smelly Melly, 3, #1408 of 1826 🔗

Just looked up famous people who have died of C19, the list wasn’t very long and most Id never heard of. One was Eddie Large who was being treated for heart failure.

164143 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1409 of 1826 🔗

That’s a terminal illness!

164183 ▶▶ arfurmo, replying to Smelly Melly, #1410 of 1826 🔗

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_due_to_COVID-19 said to be “notable” . Also look at the ages.

164197 ▶▶ matt, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1411 of 1826 🔗

My brother is a comedy writer (among other things). The last piece of worthwhile work he had on was writing a new season of The Goodies for Audible. And then Graeme Garden died.

164416 ▶▶▶ Chicot, replying to matt, #1412 of 1826 🔗

I think you mean Tim Brooke Taylor, who seems to be just about the only person I’ve heard of who died from Covid. Graeme Garden is still alive.

164534 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Chicot, #1413 of 1826 🔗

And he’s 77.

164557 ▶▶▶▶▶ JohnB, replying to Cheezilla, #1414 of 1826 🔗

Always felt he had something of the troll about him. Didn’t realise he was the military sort though. 🙂

164253 ▶▶ Bumble, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1415 of 1826 🔗

Heart failure leads to fluid build up and if that gets on your lungs you’re finished, covid or not so maybe covid was a tiny factor but if it hadn’t been that any old respiratory virus could have finished him off.

164304 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Smelly Melly, 1, #1416 of 1826 🔗

I’d checked that out a couple of months ago, and most of those who’d died I’d never heard of, and were pretty old anyway.
I thought that if it was as widespread and deadly as is claimed, there’d be more famous people affected.

164118 Paul, replying to Paul, 17, #1417 of 1826 🔗

I have to say to whoever devised the psychological warfare/project fear plan that has been unleashed on the population,well done,hats off to you,bloody good job !.
This week several people I know that had,over the months,become sceptical and aware of what is being done to us,have begun to slide back into genuine fear again.I don’t hold anything against them,they are intelligent people who have not just accepted the narrative provided and looked into things instead,but now one of them told me that the pressures from the constant doom mongering propaganda is overwhelming along with the utter abnormality of everything in life now and they feel defeated by it all.
So,bravo Johnson and every other non-entity involved,you’ve almost achieved your aim,whatever that is,because for the life of me I can’t fathom it, a lot of the decent,hard-working,law-abiding and sensible people of this nation are in a state of defeat.What this achieves is a mystery,why would anyone (eg.Johnson) want to preside over a ruined country with a defeated people ?,surely a country doing well is what any leader would prefer ?.

164139 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Paul, 7, #1418 of 1826 🔗

Somebody must be about to profit from it.
Some already have – bigtime!

164166 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Cheezilla, 2, #1419 of 1826 🔗

Yes, did you see the video put up on this site last night about all the dodgy and very lucrative contracts the government have handed out, for PPE that has never materialised? https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1852487754888995

164147 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Paul, 11, #1420 of 1826 🔗

a lot of the decent, hard-working, law-abiding and sensible people of this nation are in a state of defeat

They ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

It has been an absolute masterclass in the dark arts of social engineering. There will be a handful of phenomenally rich people riding off into the sunset off the back of all this, laughing all the way at the millions they trampled on to get there. Good luck to them. Shame on us for falling for every single one of their dirty tricks.

164277 ▶▶▶ Lms23, replying to Richard O, 3, #1421 of 1826 🔗

We didn’t fall for it, but they’ve had the threat of the police, plus they pitted other people against us. We’ve not had the power to do anything much except not believe.

164371 ▶▶▶ Bella, replying to Richard O, 2, #1422 of 1826 🔗

It’s not over until it’s over and though there isn’t great resistance on here (lot of wisdom and accurate observations but not resistance as such) there is elsewhere so I refer you to this: reclaimyourlives.com They had a 4-5 hour streaming this afternoon with some very big or informed names. Some of it is a bit woo for me (5g) but this is building a very powerful resistance and, more to the point, raising awareness. The streaming will be posted somewhere, dunno where, and I’d suggest people sign up.

164122 stefarm, 28, #1423 of 1826 🔗

Quick little anecdote from my trip out last night.

Went to pub (somebody asked in post below – offered me a mask declined and claimed exemption, bar staff didn’t like it and faffed about, she clearly had a folder to record exemptions and I think was about to ask me my reason, I loomed over her a bit and she thought better of it).

Anyhoo, about 9-10 of us sitting in rear of pub, pretty empty, about as much atmosphere as a wake, deathly quiet as everyone whispering.

There was some commotion outside which was a good old fashioned punch up outside another pub in the street below.

Everyone including bar staff stood up and ran to the window to watch standing shoulder to shoulder, when it was over we all looked at each other and said cor that was a goodun, had a chuckle and sat down again.

Funny how when the narrative changes and something ‘normal’ happens everything about (un)social distancing, gimp masks and general rudeness is forgot about.

164129 stefarm, replying to stefarm, 9, #1424 of 1826 🔗

Funny ain’t it, 40k people die of ‘it’ (bollocks of course) and people shit themselves and run away.

I reckon most people if asked will be happy to sacrifice that many for a dodgy vaccine just so we can get back to normal.

164157 ▶▶ RickH, replying to stefarm, 2, #1425 of 1826 🔗

I fear that you are right.

164163 ▶▶ Awkward Git, replying to stefarm, 8, #1426 of 1826 🔗

And 808 000 children die a year from easily treated pneumonia every year and no-one gives a shit.

164189 ▶▶ stefarm, replying to stefarm, 3, #1427 of 1826 🔗

Sorry, so they can get back to normal as they are selfish pricks

164142 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 46, #1428 of 1826 🔗

Sent to B&Q just for the hell of it:

Visited one of your stores today with my wife. We were both wearing our exemption lanyards. While browsing we were challenged by a disagreeable member of staff asking “where are your masks?”.

“Exempt” was our reply, we showed our lanyards but legally we did NOT have to as there is no legal requirement for us to explain to anyone what our disabilities are.

Your staff’s action were against the law as only Police Officers, PCSOs and health officers have the legal right to challenge anyone, not shop staff.

You as a company and your staff as individuals risk big fines under disability and equality legislation allowing this behaviour by your staff to continue.

Also on chatting with other (much friendlier) staff who were fiddling with their masks and me being involved in HSE supervision as part of my job I asked them a few questions:

– had they received a briefing from B&Q about the correct way to wear a mask? Answer: No

– had they seen and agreed the risk assessment about mask wearing as it was a change in working conditions? Answer: No

– did they know that if they touched their masks with their hands they must wash their hands with soap and water of at least 20 seconds? Answer: No

– did they know when and how often to change their masks? Answer: No

– had they been briefed by B&Q on the medical and psychological problems that mask wearing can cause up to and including death? Answer: No

– there was one of the staff pregnant. Had B&Q warned her of the dangers to her unborn baby that mask wearing could cause with the main one being hypoxia? Answer: No.

– did B&Q tell them that the medical exemptions in the legislation also cover staff as well as customers? Answer: No.

– did B&Q explain that face coverings/masks only need to be worn by staff in “close contact” with customers so they are not legally required at all times? Answer: No.

– did B&Q tell them that there is no definition in the legislation of “close contact” so this must be decided on by a risk assessment that that must be supported by scientific evidence, not just following guidelines, guidance or law, and they must agree with it? Answer: No.

Links here about the dangers of mask wearing during pregnancy:



The NIOSH study in the USA is not valid as they only monitored people who had been wearing the masks for 1 hour only and has been discredited.

The above are all major HSE breaches and if anything happens to a member of your staff due to them being forced to wear face coverings or masks when they are not required, not been trained, not been briefed etc and is also a major failing in your duty of care.

If the pregnant member of staff’s baby is born with anything that could have or might have been caused by hypoxia then this is B&Q liable on the above counts.

So our visit uncovered some serious breaches in the law, HSE and duty of care failings and these need addressed in all your stores as a matter of urgency.

I look forward in reading your reply and how you plan to address these failings company wide.

164161 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Awkward Git, 6, #1429 of 1826 🔗

I’m going to stop answering these people, because the satisfaction of seeing these little Hitlers work themselves into a frenzy is going to be irresistible.

164162 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, 14, #1430 of 1826 🔗

Great letter – well done!

164172 ▶▶ TJN, replying to Awkward Git, 21, #1431 of 1826 🔗

I went into B&Q two days ago. Got challenged about mask. Said exempt. Asked if I had paperwork to prove it. Said I didn’t have to prove it. Told that I did. Said no I didn’t and walked in without waiting for any more garbage.

164180 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Awkward Git, 7, #1432 of 1826 🔗

If that hasn’t put the fear of God into them, I don’t know what will…

164196 ▶▶ Will, replying to Awkward Git, 13, #1433 of 1826 🔗

Brilliant, simply brilliant!!! I am glad I am on your side.

164206 ▶▶ annie, replying to Awkward Git, 11, #1434 of 1826 🔗

Awkward Git, you should consider publishing your Collected Correspondence. A work of genius.

164217 ▶▶▶ Hubes, replying to annie, 3, #1435 of 1826 🔗

I was just thinking that. They are all brilliant and inspired me to also start complaining a few months ago.

164221 ▶▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to annie, 3, #1436 of 1826 🔗

It would make a great Christmas gift!

164532 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to PoshPanic, #1437 of 1826 🔗

On a memory stick – easy to print off!

164223 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to annie, 1, #1438 of 1826 🔗


164215 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Awkward Git, 5, #1439 of 1826 🔗

more people die from accidents in the home than from Covid. DIY is biggest proportion of these deaths. so we should have B&Q shut down.

164285 ▶▶ Lili, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1440 of 1826 🔗

Nice one. Have copied and filed for use myself, if that is okay?

164296 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Awkward Git, 3, #1441 of 1826 🔗

Awkward Git, I do admire your persistence and bravery in taking up these challenges!

164529 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1442 of 1826 🔗


164544 ▶▶ janis pennance, replying to Awkward Git, 1, #1443 of 1826 🔗

Brilliant .. great stuff

164144 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1444 of 1826 🔗

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/k-overlooked-variable-driving-pandemic/616548/ This Overlooked Variable Is the Key to the Pandemic It’s not R.

 This is great journalism again from Atlantic (in fact a very MSM) about super spreaders in the pandemic. Apart from some minor question marks, a very well written piece about the enigma of the pandemic. Is super spreaders the explanation?

164168 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to swedenborg, 2, #1445 of 1826 🔗


The Atlantic also recently ran with this piece of blatant propaganda nonsense, so I have a hard time with “great journalism” in the same sentence as “The Atlantic”.

164344 ▶▶▶ swedenborg, replying to Lms23, #1446 of 1826 🔗

I was just referring to a few well written interesting C-19 articles which were not expected to be found in such a MSM publication.

164190 ▶▶ matt, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1447 of 1826 🔗

Do super spreaders matter, though? It strikes me that it should be obvious by now to all that the virus is around. It’s a fact. We don’t know who has it, we can’t find out and people are going to catch it. Forever. Now that we know that it’s probably not a huge problem anyway, could we possibly stop worrying too much about imaginary mechanisms for the spread?

164331 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to matt, 2, #1448 of 1826 🔗

we know that it’s probably not a huge problem anyway”

That’s the top and bottom of it. All the rest is bullshit.

164249 ▶▶ Steve Martindale, replying to swedenborg, 4, #1449 of 1826 🔗

The article rings true with some other stuff I have read but I am not sure how this translates into a policy for the UK?
They seem very keen on lots of testing, I rather feel that testing of any sort puts too much informations into the febrile hands of the politicians who cannot resist misreading it and going into panic stations.
For what it’s worth my view of what we should do is;

  1. Curtail all this pointless testing of people with no or mild symptoms and refocus testing on the vulnerable (including care homes) and anyone who has contact with vulnerable people. To ensure the vulnerable can be protected but still be part of society and have contact with friends and family.
  2. Provide good public health guidance on how we can all best operate to protect the vulnerable.
  3. Stop worrying about schools, universities, football matches, theatres etc.knowing that such events are potential super spreader events and taking appropriate measures to ensure these do not link to virus spread to vulnerable people.
  4. Re-direct a large chunk of this vaccine research money into developing working and acceptable treatments for Covid 19 so that it’s potential for causing serious disease and deaths is greatly reduced.
164293 ▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Steve Martindale, 1, #1450 of 1826 🔗

Point 1 is critical IMO. We can actually protect anyone vulnerable whilst still ensuring that their life is worth living. Targeting testing like this would surely save thousands of lives and life could continue more or less as normal for the rest of us with some basic precautions (hand washing, staying at home whilst symptomatic etc).

164322 ▶▶▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1451 of 1826 🔗

No – just leave it to the ‘vulnerable’ to make their own risk assessments. As has always been the case.

164386 ▶▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to RickH, 1, #1452 of 1826 🔗

I don’t mean forced protection, just making it available should they want it.

164519 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A. Contrarian, #1453 of 1826 🔗

So they’re testing teenagers but not the elderly. Go figure!

164178 Basics, replying to Basics, 15, #1454 of 1826 🔗

Haha 77. The laughably silly little chief of UK defence is saying it’s the russians wot dunnit, over what is said to be vaccine misinformation.

The indy has it:

“Russia trying to spread disinformation about coronavirus vaccines, UK armed forces chief warns
Top general says authoritarian governments are seeking to exploit the Covid-19 crisis”

“Russia is attempting to spread disinformation about potential coronavirus vaccines through anti-vaccination social media groups, the head of the UK’s armed forces has warned.

General Sir Nick Carter, the chief of the defence staff, said authoritarian regimes, such as Russia and China, were using a strategy of “political warfare” to “undermine cohesion” and “erode economic, political and social resilience” in the western world.”

Wooo are we all going to be hit by imaginary novichok bombs next. Absolute joke clown man wearing camo fatigues to downing street and in press conference. Derr, ok if you need to.

164186 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Basics, 21, #1455 of 1826 🔗

“Top general says authoritarian governments are seeking to exploit the Covid-19 crisis”

He got that bit right.

164220 ▶▶▶ Dan Clarke, replying to leggy, 1, #1456 of 1826 🔗

Who would have thought he would be talking about the UK Tory Government, and Johnson and Hancock!

164187 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Basics, 10, #1457 of 1826 🔗

Why would they need to do it ?,we’ve got our own twats using political warfare against us .
Our top military leaders are a disgrace.

164273 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Paul, 3, #1458 of 1826 🔗

He is obviously a twat himself. It’s one reason. Overseeing the 77 and 13 signals unleashed upon it’s own nation I might go further and call him a top class cunt. Fucking joker.

What does he get out of it though, servicing handjob, shitty witty and the rest. He looks like a little poodle lap dog – an incredible inessential figure.

Lots or respect for our armed services and vets even though I disagree with they deployments and actions. But this guy isn’t worthy to inspect a trainee on parade.

164201 Will, replying to Will, 13, #1459 of 1826 🔗

Excellent news that 750 kids at Newcastle poly have tested positive for SARS- Cov1- 19. Even if half of them are false positives it shows that youngsters are doing their bit for the vulnerable by using their robust immune systems to build herd immunity. Maybe there is hope if these youngsters are willing to use common sense and get on with their lives!!!!

164204 ▶▶ Caroline Watson, replying to Will, 5, #1460 of 1826 🔗

It’s almost as if the City Council is using students as a captive population to keep the local lockdown going and get money out of the government…………

164341 ▶▶▶ Ceriain, replying to Caroline Watson, 1, #1461 of 1826 🔗

I reckon you’re spot on, Caroline; said so to the wife today.

I wonder how many in the North, who are already pissed at their lockdown, would get even more annoyed knowing their “dangerous ‘case’ numbers” were manufactured. i.e. test all the students before they get to go to uni/residence halls, knowing the numbers would be high; then passing this off as the public numbers.

164224 ▶▶ Fingerache Philip., replying to Will, #1462 of 1826 🔗

Only way.

164235 ▶▶ Two-Six, replying to Will, 1, #1463 of 1826 🔗

That is actually fairly “funny”. The first laugh I have had all day. Hopefully they won’t get too ill with “IT”. I am fairly sure they will all mostly be just fine.

164316 ▶▶ Tenchy, replying to Will, #1464 of 1826 🔗

Why do they get tested? Are they paid to, or something?

164373 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tenchy, #1465 of 1826 🔗

Well, one can sign up to be tested 16 times a year and you get paid a lot – can easily imagine students signing up for this…

164207 Awkward Git, replying to Awkward Git, 15, #1466 of 1826 🔗

Just started this petition:

My petition:

To repeal the Statutory Instruments Act 1946

To repeal the Statutory Instruments Act 1946 so that Ministers cannot introduce legislation without any Parliamentary oversight and to control the descent into a totalitarian dictatorship.

Over the years and especially in the past 8 months more and more legislation is by Statutory Instrument that has little or no Parliamentary oversight and we are now ruled by Ministerial fiat, diktat, social media announcements and last minute late night enactment of the S.I.s. This is the beginning of a path to an effective dictatorship that must be stopped and Parliament given back it’s role of holding Government to account.

Click this link to sign the petition:


Need 5 signatures to get it to approval stage.

164210 ▶▶ Paul, replying to Awkward Git, #1467 of 1826 🔗


164211 ▶▶ matt, replying to Awkward Git, #1468 of 1826 🔗

You have mine.

164214 ▶▶ Mabel Cow, replying to Awkward Git, #1469 of 1826 🔗


164218 ▶▶ Quernus, replying to Awkward Git, #1470 of 1826 🔗


164219 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Awkward Git, #1471 of 1826 🔗


164225 ▶▶ CGL, replying to Awkward Git, 4, #1472 of 1826 🔗

What a wonderful Awkward Git you are!

164230 ▶▶ PoshPanic, replying to Awkward Git, #1473 of 1826 🔗

👍 Cheers

164239 ▶▶ Lms23, replying to Awkward Git, #1474 of 1826 🔗


164243 ▶▶ leggy, replying to Awkward Git, #1475 of 1826 🔗

Mine too.

164313 ▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Awkward Git, #1476 of 1826 🔗


164323 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to Awkward Git, #1477 of 1826 🔗

I think the bastards have pulled it….

We’re checking this petition 5 people have already supported Joh Canning’s petition.
We need to check it meets the petition standards before we publish it.
Please try again in a few days.

164329 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Draper233, #1478 of 1826 🔗

Apologies, I may have jumped the gun there…I can see your comment on the 5 signatures required

164237 Sir Patrick Vaccine, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 4, #1479 of 1826 🔗

Ivor Cummins: There’s no possible justification for lockdown

164244 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 1, #1480 of 1826 🔗

I think the authorities would beg to differ. It has been a brilliant tool of oppression, totally justified in every conceivable way.

164453 ▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Sir Patrick Vaccine, 3, #1481 of 1826 🔗

There never was. Nor for masks, or for flawed PCR testing or for a vaccination.

164238 Achilles, replying to Achilles, 10, #1482 of 1826 🔗

Matt Hancock. Has anyone so mediocre ever been given so much power and responsibility? I’d say his level was team leader in a warehouse maybe? Only if he applied himself though.

164241 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Achilles, 4, #1483 of 1826 🔗

I have worked in a couple of warehouse type settings. This was a while ago so things have probably got a bit less rustic since, but back in the day he would not have lasted long – the workers would have turned on him.

164251 ▶▶▶ Achilles, replying to Julian, 3, #1484 of 1826 🔗

I can see him as one of those management appointments absolutely despised by his staff.

164257 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Achilles, 2, #1485 of 1826 🔗

The staff I worked with back then would have done more than despise him – it would have been a car park job

164284 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Achilles, #1486 of 1826 🔗

Third-rate prep school master.

164312 ▶▶▶ RickH, replying to A. Contrarian, 2, #1487 of 1826 🔗

Possibly ‘prep school’. He wouldn’t have lasted a week in a proper school.

164330 ▶▶ Nic, replying to Achilles, #1488 of 1826 🔗

Deputy manager in a small supermarket? Maybe

164332 ▶▶ AllieT, replying to Achilles, #1489 of 1826 🔗

Team leader in a warehouse love it! 😆

164372 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Achilles, 1, #1490 of 1826 🔗

Did you see his little tantrum in the HOC today?

164242 Basics, replying to Basics, 1, #1491 of 1826 🔗

Doctors told to plan for vaccine roll out from November in West Midlands.

“Doctors in the West Midlands have been told to plan for a mass coronavirus vaccination scheme from as early as November.

“A leaked document identifies two vaccines which are expected to be available this year.

“Immunising the entire population could take 10 months and will start with the most vulnerable in care homes.

“Mass vaccination sites and mobile facilities are being commissioned as part of as a “fairly massive exercise”.


164246 ▶▶ Richard O, replying to Basics, 1, #1492 of 1826 🔗

Yep. Posted this one earlier today. Game, shot and match mate, with a nine dart finish.

Don’t forget the codenames: Ambush and Triumph .

164261 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Richard O, 7, #1493 of 1826 🔗

I see that as the attempt to do what we know is the goal of this. But I dont see it as game over. Only just the beginning. I know masses more people are anti junk anti rushed fake scientifically developed vaccine than I do lockdown skeptics.

The very same people who wear masks through fear are the same ones who also fear weird science.

Long war to go yet.

164265 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Basics, 2, #1494 of 1826 🔗

I’m sure there will be plenty of incentives to ensure compliance. Wonder why the West Midlands has been selected as ground zero?

164294 ▶▶▶▶▶ Basics, replying to Richard O, 3, #1495 of 1826 🔗

Keep in mind too its a bbc report so quite actually it could be 100% pure nudge bs.

The points you raise are reasons indeed why medical professiinals should be challenged by us and everyone to sign a liabiliry sheet prior to administering. Make them responsible on their oath. That will twist their chicken shit panties.

164300 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Basics, 7, #1496 of 1826 🔗

I won’t be going anywhere near the NHS. They will need to bring it to my door and force me at gunpoint.

164418 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, #1497 of 1826 🔗

Large population in Brum so ‘catch’ a lot of people in one go?

Personally, I wish they would experiment with this vaccine on all those who have recently entered the country illegally by crossing the Channel on rubber dinghies. Would likely have the added consequence of stopping people making the crossing, when word got round..

164442 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ CGL, replying to Carrie, #1498 of 1826 🔗

I was going to ask if I could have one of their dinghies so I could take it back the other way!

164276 ▶▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Basics, 2, #1499 of 1826 🔗


Especially when Boris states that the vaccine is perfectly safe.

164369 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Draper233, 3, #1500 of 1826 🔗

That is of course a blatant lie and a claim he has no basis to make.. Just how much has Bill G paid him for this????

164379 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Carrie, 2, #1501 of 1826 🔗

He certainly looked as though he was putting himself out there last weekend at the UN conference. Perhaps he fancies a Nick Clegg-type post for Bill, or indeed anyone else who pays well. He has signed the UK up to be the experimental giant phase III vaccine trial. Problem is, the Oxford vaccine is in a spot of bother. He is a busted flush – he knows it and so does the rest of his party.

164395 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1502 of 1826 🔗

Giesecke seemed very sceptical about an effective vaccine being available soon and that it would work on those who need it most. So hopefully he will make sure Tegnell does not mandate it here!
(remembering that AZ is part-Swedish-owned)

164262 ▶▶ Draper233, replying to Basics, 8, #1503 of 1826 🔗

Still incredible to think that mass vaccination is being rolled out for a virus that seriously affects less than 1% of the population, of which 90+% are elderly with underlying health conditions.

And presumably it will be an annual requirement at the very least.

164271 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Draper233, 5, #1504 of 1826 🔗

And even more incredible is that the mass deployment is effectively the stage three trial, less than a year since the virus emerged.

164553 ▶▶▶▶ Thinkaboutit, replying to Richard O, 1, #1505 of 1826 🔗

A giant experiment.

164593 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Thinkaboutit, #1506 of 1826 🔗

Indeed. Bill G must be very excited…

164279 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Basics, 1, #1507 of 1826 🔗

This is presumably what Boris claims to be “holding out for”, god knows what he will do if it doesn’t materialise.

And why only doctors in the West Midlands? Will they be first because of all the local lockdowns?

164286 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1508 of 1826 🔗

Location wise – they are going for awkward git first!

Seriously, it’s where the leak is from i suppose it is a national command.

164295 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Basics, 2, #1509 of 1826 🔗

Good point which I hadn’t considered, which would explain why the BBC have buried it in the regional news rather than make it national headlines today.

164292 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to A. Contrarian, #1510 of 1826 🔗

Assume his mate, the mayor, has something to do with it?

164327 ▶▶▶ Nic, replying to A. Contrarian, #1511 of 1826 🔗

Yes boris has staked everything on a vaccine , so it will be rushed through.

164360 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to A. Contrarian, 1, #1512 of 1826 🔗

Re above posts on Boris’s many interviews today, didn’t he mention ‘magic in the next couple of months’ in those? Was he referring to the vaccine???

164385 ▶▶▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Carrie, 1, #1513 of 1826 🔗

My thoughts exactly. They’re obviously pretty confident that it’s going to happen.

164497 ▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to A. Contrarian, #1514 of 1826 🔗

They can be if it’s going to be mandatory.

164288 ▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Basics, 3, #1515 of 1826 🔗

I’m in that region. Husband went for his flu jab today. It was administered by a very young trainee nurse, supervised by a more senior nurse not from the GP surgery, as he has never seen either of them previously. Plans are certainly fairly advanced I would suggest. It is beyond cruel to think this is even being contemplated as a mass experiment for an unlicensed vaccine, to the most vulnerable in society. Who will be giving consent as family members are not allowed into care homes, or do we assume that it doesn’t matter if they have dementia? This is genocide, no other word for it.

164303 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 6, #1516 of 1826 🔗

We need all the intelligence on the ground we can muster to keep track of this. There simply have to be a large number of doctors and nurses who are not comfortable with administering this shot, especially if they are familiar with their regular patients.

164315 ▶▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to Richard O, #1517 of 1826 🔗


164501 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard O, #1518 of 1826 🔗

Docs won’t be administering them!

164317 ▶▶▶ TJN, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 3, #1519 of 1826 🔗

They didn’t care about consent for DNRs in care homes, so consent for vaccines won’t even cross their minds.

164319 ▶▶▶ davews, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1520 of 1826 🔗

We had a church council meeting of our church the other night. One of our members sprang a surprise item of AOB to get permission for our church to be used as a vaccination centre if the need arises. Not sure if he has been contacted by the local council, he didn’t say. Sadly the majority of the meeting were in favour, I had to abstain.

164328 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to davews, 4, #1521 of 1826 🔗

The church stooping to new lows. You should avoid it like the plague (pun intended) from now on.

164339 ▶▶▶▶ Bella, replying to davews, 2, #1522 of 1826 🔗

So the church is in league with eugenicists now? No wonder I always had contempt for organised religion. Why abstain, why not vote no? Not the time to be sitting on the fence.

164358 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Tyneside Tigress, 1, #1523 of 1826 🔗

Yes, definite worry re care homes – I can see them just jabbing everyone and telling relatives afterwards.. when it will be too late to do anything about it..

164499 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Tyneside Tigress, #1524 of 1826 🔗

They’ve already said they’re going to employ loads of non-medical vaccinators.

164325 ▶▶ Bella, replying to Basics, 4, #1525 of 1826 🔗

Anyone know if Toby still thinks this is just basic incompetence? A mass vaccination programme (which can’t work because it hasn’t been in development long enough) for something that is now less dangerous than the flu? No-one, not even Mr. Pastry, is that incompetent.

164338 ▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Bella, 1, #1526 of 1826 🔗

My attention has shifted from worrying about why this is happening, and the incompetence versus conspiracy argument, to actually avoiding the shot. Only one month to go folks.

164357 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Bella, #1527 of 1826 🔗

Do we think it will quickly be made mandatory, if a lot of people do not sign up for it?

164363 ▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Carrie, 1, #1528 of 1826 🔗

Yes. Maximum distribution at high speed will be required to prevent any blowback from short term side effects. Long term side effects are no issue.

164365 ▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, 1, #1529 of 1826 🔗

Can someone make sure Simon Dolan hears about this please? We need another injunction pronto!

164367 ▶▶▶▶▶▶ Richard O, replying to Carrie, 3, #1530 of 1826 🔗
164393 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Richard O, #1531 of 1826 🔗


164505 ▶▶▶▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Richard O, #1532 of 1826 🔗

Dolan’s coment:
This is odd. It references a ‘leaked document’ as its source, and yet fails to provide any links or further info as to veracity. This is a classic example of story being ‘seeded’ by the Govt to test reaction, using a tame health chief – Paul Jennings

Classic official “leak” tactic. (Usually via the Beeb or the Grad) Signature of the lockdown strategy.

164451 ▶▶▶ Jay Berger, replying to Bella, 1, #1533 of 1826 🔗

But plenty are that evil.

164355 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to Basics, #1534 of 1826 🔗

Called Ambush and Triumph – you couldn’t make this up!

I am going to be interested in seeing how the Astra Zeneca one (Triumph) is reported on in the Swedish press…

164404 ▶▶ bucky99, replying to Basics, 2, #1535 of 1826 🔗

Yeah saw this yesterday, what an amazing opportunity to take part in… ah no thanks.

Not in any of the target groups, thank f*ck.

164490 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, #1536 of 1826 🔗

Second cull!

164248 Draper233, replying to Draper233, 1, #1537 of 1826 🔗

For anyone who’s interested, after emailing Ed Davey to thank him and his party for voting against the Coronavirus Act 2020, I received this detailed response from his team setting out the Lib Dems position:

Thank you for getting in with Ed to share your concerns about the renewal of the Coronavirus Act 2020.

The Coronavirus Act 2020 was passed in March at a time of great uncertainty, when the need for controls to manage the spread of the virus was urgent. Due to the lack of time for Parliamentary scrutiny of the Bill, the Liberal Democrats and Ed argued that the powers should have to be renewed every three months rather than every two years, as was originally planned by the Government.

As a compromise, the Conservative Government agreed to give the Commons a vote every six months, which occurred at the end of September.

Since this time, the Government has mismanaged almost every step of the country’s response to the pandemic. In particular, the failure to build a functioning Test and Trace system has led to the exponential increase in coronavirus cases as we now enter a second wave. This has meant things have not returned to normal, and the most vulnerable in our society have continued to be put at serious risk.

The Liberal Democrats believe that some of the provisions in the Coronavirus Act have proven necessary to help tackle the impact of the pandemic, such as enabling the emergency registration of nurses and other healthcare workers, and allowing people to receive Statutory Sick Pay from day one.

However, many of the powers in the Act have serious implications for people’s wellbeing, rights and freedoms – such as the relaxation of duties on local authorities to assess and meet people’s care needs, extra powers for police and immigration officers to detain people, and a new power to restrict or ban events and gatherings.

In September, Ed wrote to the Prime Minister, asking him to urgently convene cross-party talks to agree new legislation that is better-suited to tackle the ongoing coronavirus crisis. We have received no reply. Ed is particularly concerned by the impact of social care reductions on disabled people, and has raised this breach of the UK’s obligations under International Law with the Prime Minister on numerous occasions.

For these reasons, the Liberal Democrats and Ed cannot support renewal of the Act in full after its first six months. We believe that new legislation is needed, both to preserve any parts of the Coronavirus Act that are still necessary, and to bring in new measures to tackle the next phase of this crisis.

If the Government were to address our concerns on this, or to respond positively to our request for a cross-party approach to replacing this legislation, the Government would have our support.

But as the legislation standards, the Liberal Democrats have not supported the renewal of the Coronavirus Act in full after its first six months. The Act fails to care for the most vulnerable, sees people wrongfully charged and gives Minister’s a blank cheque.

We believe that new legislation is needed, both to preserve any parts of the Coronavirus Act that are still necessary, and to bring in new measures to tackle the next phase of this crisis.

Please be sure that the Liberal Democrats will keep holding the Government to account and standing up for the most vulnerable throughout this crisis.

I hope this helps to clarify our Party’s position. Thanks again for getting in touch.

164256 ▶▶ Julian, replying to Draper233, 7, #1538 of 1826 🔗

Disappointing. They are bought into the narrative 100% – all just stuff around execution and safeguards. They will let us down when it comes to the crunch.

164268 ▶▶▶ Draper233, replying to Julian, 2, #1539 of 1826 🔗


Although still a lot more creditable than the gutless Starmer.

164347 ▶▶▶ NickR, replying to Julian, 1, #1540 of 1826 🔗

They won’t let us down because no one would put tham in charge of a whelk stall….. but then who put Boris in charge of a whelk stall?

164354 ▶▶▶ Carrie, replying to Julian, #1541 of 1826 🔗

At least they seem to have thought out their position, and have made a coherent attempt to explain and justify it (whether or not one agrees with what they say)!

164401 ▶▶▶▶ Julian, replying to Carrie, #1542 of 1826 🔗


164275 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Draper233, 2, #1543 of 1826 🔗

I had a similar letter from my MP, Daisy Cooper, who voted against the renewal. I had no idea she had it in her.

164310 ▶▶▶ Tyneside Tigress, replying to A. Contrarian, 3, #1544 of 1826 🔗

I think she brought the urgent question yesterday morning in HoC to challenge the 10pm curfew. She gave a good speech.

164487 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Draper233, 1, #1545 of 1826 🔗

This is total bollox!

In particular, the failure to build a functioning Test and Trace system has led to the exponential increase in coronavirus cases as we now enter a second wave. This has meant things have not returned to normal, and the most vulnerable in our society have continued to be put at serious risk.

164250 Julian, replying to Julian, 4, #1546 of 1826 🔗

Sorry if I have missed this – I don’t get out much and I find all the changes hard to keep up with – but what’s the score with QR codes and shops?

Someone I know works in a shop and someone rocked up there today claiming to be from the NHS asking if they wanted a QR code.

I thought it was just for hospitality. Can’t see how it would work for retail.

164272 ▶▶ mjr, replying to Julian, 3, #1547 of 1826 🔗

went to my barbers yesterday. He has one. It seems that if you are foolish enough to have the app and you are a sheep then you also should scan the QR code to show your attendance.. But Barbers have always had to record names.
My barber couldnt give a toss.
I suppose it is such a simple task that they are putting one in everywhere they can. Next is QR codes on your front door (a la Xinjiang )

164378 ▶▶▶ Julian, replying to mjr, #1548 of 1826 🔗

Thanks, but is it a legal requirement, as it is for hospitality?

164410 ▶▶▶ stefarm, replying to mjr, 9, #1549 of 1826 🔗

QR codes will be everywhere, scan them at the supermarket, on the bus, at the gym, out walking, in the pub or at a restaurant

If you haven’t done enough exercise or steps you can’t buy treats at the supermarket or a takeaway, refused entry to the pub as you have been drinking too much.

All linked to your bank account.

Most people don’t know what’s in store.

164427 ▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mjr, 1, #1550 of 1826 🔗

The way the app works, that’s probably the plan!

164280 ▶▶ Steeve, replying to Julian, #1551 of 1826 🔗

Someone reported one earlier outside a local convenience store.

164299 ▶▶ Tee Ell, replying to Julian, #1552 of 1826 🔗

They won’t help for hospitality either, so I guess it’s equally silly.


164308 ▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to Julian, 2, #1553 of 1826 🔗

Not much point in an ordinary shop. I can’t see many people spending the required ten minutes in a shop nowadays to qualify for the dreaded alert from “Our” NHS Track and Trace?

164255 mjr, replying to mjr, 23, #1554 of 1826 🔗

A very grey Johnson on the PR offensive.. I just caught a bit of Central TV news (the ITV 6.00 regional programme. And there was BlowJob being interviewed by a woman called Emma Hutchinson. She raised questions about Birmingham lockdown. Johnson was looking really desperate and harried, and was talking bullshit. Even mentioned something about keeping going until some magic happens in the next month or two and how effective the first lockdown was.

This is where it gets interesting . I went on to ITV.com to look for it (to link for this comment), and i seemed to be on an Anglia TV page. And here is the interview . Except it is not the interview I saw. This is the same interviewer asking about covid from an Anglia perspective.

So he has sat in a room and been interviewed by the same interviewer several times, one assumes an interview for each area .. each with a local slant. Central must have been last as he looked so knackered and i dont think even he believed what he was saying.

Cant find the central one. But this is Yorkshire TV Different interviewer. This is Granada Again another interviewer . You get the idea..Just change the region at the top of the screen Not every region has a video.

A bit like speed dating . no wonder he looks like he has just spaffed all over . It would be funny if it wasnt so sad

164305 ▶▶ CarrieAH, replying to mjr, 3, #1555 of 1826 🔗

Well spotted!

164361 ▶▶▶ Basics, replying to CarrieAH, 2, #1556 of 1826 🔗

Yes excellent spot.
This kind of hire a room and have the press come in one by one to interview the lastest film star is standard. Cameras belonging to film production crew with recordings of interview approved before being sent on to the relevant press offices is standard.

This would seem to be a step further with duplicitous questioning by single press unit.

Local regional messaging clearly important to them otherwise why bother? Why not just the same interview.

Regional pride seems to be a level they are pitching to here. My mind is drawn to the volunteers in ww1 the Friends regiments where the establishment used local pride to gets millions to sign up for death at the front.

164426 ▶▶▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to Basics, 2, #1557 of 1826 🔗

I thought the interviewers did well, the last one let it end on a disappointingly weak note though.

164364 ▶▶ Carrie, replying to mjr, 3, #1558 of 1826 🔗

I am concerned that by until ‘ some magic happens in the next month or two ‘ he means the vaccines to be started in Birmingham…

164380 ▶▶▶ mjr, replying to Carrie, 1, #1559 of 1826 🔗

not an exact quote . i cannot remember exactly what he said but that was the gist. Thats why i was looking on ITV Hub . Just checked and still nothing there for central and nothing on tv on catch up
And agree its a local pep talk. The Anglia one focuses on new hospitals for example.

164383 ▶▶ Cheezilla, replying to mjr, 1, #1560 of 1826 🔗

Reminds me of the old John Bird and John Fortune sketches!

164258 Sarigan, replying to Sarigan, 10, #1561 of 1826 🔗

Just published update from French IHU group shows < 3% of C19 rtPCR “positives” at a cycle threshold (Ct) =35 yield live virus upon culture


164264 ▶▶ A. Contrarian, replying to Sarigan, 4, #1562 of 1826 🔗

What a surprise. Watch as it’s roundly ignored by the UK government and their scientist goons.

164309 ▶▶ Tim Bidie, replying to Sarigan, #1563 of 1826 🔗

Great find.

164340 ▶▶ NickR, replying to Sarigan, 5, #1564 of 1826 🔗

Again, how come Hancock, Whitty or Vallance don’t get asked to validate their claims in the light of this kind of finding?

164270 swedenborg, replying to swedenborg, 6, #1565 of 1826 🔗


 One of the most difficult to read daily report is from Spain. Today only 3722 cases were reported but you can’t tell whether they are symptomatic or not. But if you look at diagnosed cases last 14 days you get a staggering 126730 and last 7 days 52029.But you have to look at the next column case with starting of symptoms last 14 days you get 29 585 (almost 100 000 cases disappeared or were most likely asymptomatic or old cases with RNA fragments) and starting of symptoms last 7 days 6835(another 45000 cases “disappeared”).
Next page gives you the 7 days figures of 2379 hospitalizations and 178 ICU admittance( 8% admitted ICU I think much lower than in March) and 538 deaths last 7 days. But the most astonishing figures is Madrid only 9 patients admitted to ICU last 7 days which contrasts what you read in MSM.A few pages later the total number in hospital and in ICU and percentage in Madrid(the worst hit)23% of all hospital beds C-19 and 43% of all ICU. That sounds a lot but then we have admittance C-19 last 24h Madrid/Spain 381/1193 but discharge last 24h 423/1170 !!!
The hyper testing giving a lot of noise exaggerating the total figures but a true increase in real cases/hospitalizations/ICU but these seem to have stopped and levelled off especially